[05:20] <didrocks> good morning
[06:15] <pitti> Good morning
[06:20] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:20] <seb128> hey pitti, wie gehts?
[06:20] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! gut, danke!
[06:20] <pitti> c'est un beau matin, avec beaucoup du soleil !
[06:20] <seb128> ici aussi !
[06:21] <pitti> seb128: do you know what happened in http://paste.ubuntu.com/11697411/ ?
[06:22] <pitti> seb128: did they use a broken intltool or something to wrap the tarball?
[06:22] <seb128> pitti, no, I don't really
[06:22] <seb128> the issue is due to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intltool/intltool/trunk/revision/742
[06:23] <seb128> pitti, I copied what Laney did in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/202626076/gnome-bluetooth_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu11_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu12.diff.gz
[06:23] <seb128> but using intltoolize on the source should probably work as well
[06:23] <seb128> they probably rolled the tarball with intltool 0.50 which still had that definition
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[06:25] <pitti> seb128: ah, so you already committed the fix now
[06:26] <seb128> pitti, yes, figured out my commit issue
[06:28] <pitti> seb128: what's the effect if you don't apply this patch? 3.16.0-1 builds just fine
[06:29] <seb128> pitti, if you build -1 with current intltool the translations are installed in a directory /usr/@DATADIRNAME@/locale
[06:29] <seb128> current ubuntu package has that
[06:29] <pitti> ./usr/share/locale/ast/LC_MESSAGES/gnome-tetravex.mo
[06:29] <seb128> dpkg -l | grep intltool ?
[06:29] <pitti> seb128: 0.50.2 in sid
[06:29] <seb128> pitti, that's the old version
[06:30] <pitti> seb128: ah, so this only applies to the experimental version?
[06:30] <seb128> Ubuntu has 0.51
[06:30] <seb128> yes
[06:30] <seb128> the commit I pointed before is only in the newest version
[06:31] <pitti> seb128: i. e. do you want/need that uploaded to sid? (trying to add a justification for the half-NMU)
[06:31] <seb128> pitti, it's in pkg-gnome, I though you were in that?
[06:31] <seb128> no, don't bother
[06:31] <pitti> I am
[06:31] <seb128> I just wanted to keep the package in sync
[06:31] <pitti> just not in Uploaders:, but I guess I don't have to be
[06:32] <seb128> yeah, you don't, that's autogenerated from the previous uploaders in pkg-gnome
[06:32] <pitti> seb128: so if that were me, I'd do a -1svn1 upload to ubuntu now
[06:33] <pitti> keeps it autosyncable, and avoids an unnecessary sid upload
[06:33] <seb128> pitti, k, let me do that then, thanks ;-)
[06:40] <willcooke> o/
[06:42] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[06:42] <willcooke> good morning :)
[06:43] <seb128> hey willcooke
[06:44] <seb128> willcooke, you are european tz today? ;-)
[06:45] <willcooke> The boy thought he should come and poke me in the face at 6am
[06:45] <willcooke> and then climbed in my bed and went back to sleep
[06:45] <willcooke> I was checking email on my phone anyway, figured I might as well get up
[06:51] <didrocks> I guess it was his way to tell "dad, brings some money home"
[06:51] <willcooke> hehe
[06:53] <seb128> lol
[07:29] <larsu> morning!
[07:29] <didrocks> re larsu!
[07:29] <willcooke> hey larsu
[07:29] <larsu> hi guys :)
[07:29] <larsu> how's things?
[07:30] <willcooke> good!  How did you get on yesterday?
[07:30] <willcooke> I thought it was today for some reason
[07:31] <seb128> hey larsu
[07:31] <larsu> willcooke: it was, but they changed it for $MANAGER_REASONS
[07:31] <larsu> hi seb128
[07:31] <willcooke> larsu, ohhh.  Was it fun?
[07:31] <larsu> willcooke: was good. A bit dull, but they were very interested and asked tons of questions
[07:31] <willcooke> great!
[07:31] <willcooke> Well, thank you *very* much for doing it
[07:31] <larsu> definitely fun to see that world
[07:31] <larsu> not sure if I would do it again :)
[07:31] <larsu> willcooke: sure!
[07:32] <willcooke> larsu, @ do it again - acknowledged!
[07:33] <larsu> willcooke: feel free to ask if it comes up again. Just not sure yet :)
[07:34] <larsu> hm, the launcher is showing two irssi again
[07:34]  * larsu blames Laney's gnome-terminal wrapper
[07:40] <seb128> willcooke, btw, we got desktop-next-snappy to build on amd64 now and a channel up for it, having issue with u-d-f to generate the image now, but it's getting there
[07:41] <seb128> u-d-f needs some changes to know about the new channel and partition scheme update (they are coded to 1G that isn't enough for the personal image)
[07:44] <didrocks> seb128: hum, I don't remember if I pushed or still have the branch changing it
[07:45] <seb128> didrocks, "it"?
[07:45] <didrocks> seb128: it's quite easy to find in the source code
[07:45] <didrocks> the limit
[07:45] <didrocks> there are the uefi partition part and the traditional grub one
[07:45] <seb128> didrocks, just tried http://paste.ubuntu.com/11700710/
[07:45] <seb128> but u-d-f bails out on
[07:45] <seb128>  "issue while mapping partitions: more partitions then expected while creating loop mapping"
[07:46] <seb128> which might be something else
[07:46] <didrocks> oh, interesting
[07:46] <didrocks> didn't get that one
[07:46] <seb128> waiting on sergiusens, he knows that tool better
[07:46] <didrocks> you only changed the grub part, without uefi
[07:46] <didrocks> though
[07:46] <seb128> mvo, ^
[07:46] <didrocks> (not sure which one you are using)
[07:46] <didrocks> unsure about the other error though
[07:46] <seb128> I'm testing on i386 atm, so likely grub
[07:47] <seb128> mvo has the same issue on amd64 though
[07:47] <didrocks> yeah, the 2 issues are unrelated for sure
[07:47] <seb128> yeah, I wonder if the channel/partition scheme is different between core and personal
[07:47] <seb128> and if u-d-f doesn't handle it
[07:47] <didrocks> can be…
[07:47] <didrocks> I modified the limit to install core at the time
[07:47] <didrocks> (and have more space)
[07:48] <didrocks> mvo: you probably want to change diskimage/core_uboot.go for the future as well
[07:48] <seb128> why did you need that for core?
[07:48] <seb128> the 1G should be enough there
[07:48] <mvo> didrocks: its just hacking around right now, this need some proper work
[07:49] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, the change is unconditional with your patch
[07:49] <seb128> mvo, recompressed the device tarball in .xz locally, it's down from 148 to 120, not 78, something is weird with the file we get from the channel
[07:49] <didrocks> seb128: but both file (the one you got changed and the core_uboot) one are both for core as well
[07:49] <didrocks> just one is for uefi, the other for grub
[07:49] <seb128> right
[07:49] <didrocks> the proper patch needs to have conditions
[07:50] <seb128> or that needs to be a command line option
[07:50] <didrocks> yep
[07:50] <didrocks> (but I guess better to mirror the config for now as there is already some duplication to not wonder later "why this one is 4 and this one 1?"
[07:51] <seb128> yeah
[07:58] <willcooke> seb128, udf? Ubuntu Disk ??
[07:58] <willcooke> seb128, also.... woooo!  Thank you!
[07:58] <seb128> willcooke, no, https://code.launchpad.net/goget-ubuntu-touch
[07:58] <seb128> willcooke, the go tool used to write snappy images
[07:58] <seb128> build/write
[07:59] <willcooke> oooh, neat
[08:00] <willcooke> oooh, random email PGP encrypted
[08:00] <willcooke> from what looks like a dummy account
[08:00] <willcooke> do I bother decrypting it?
[08:00] <willcooke> Subject: Xmir
[08:01] <seb128> it's robert_ancell playing tricks on you?! ;-)
[08:02] <willcooke> hahaha!
[08:02] <willcooke> oh, it's from a guy who wants to know how to run Xmir
[08:02] <willcooke> totally legit
[08:02] <willcooke> and disappointing :)
[08:02] <seb128> lol
[08:05] <Laney> hello
[08:05] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:05] <willcooke> ello laney
[08:05] <willcooke> Laney, Thunderstorms today \o/
[08:06] <Laney> larsu: I hate owning that wrapper, I don't even use it, can someone else please just take it over from me?
[08:06] <Laney> willcooke: really?
[08:06] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday
[08:06] <Laney> better bring that washing in!
[08:06] <willcooke> :D
[08:06] <larsu> Laney: didrocks uses it.... *cough*
[08:06] <Laney> I just get pinged when it breaks
[08:06] <larsu> I guess everyone using gnome-terminal on ubuntu uses it :D
[08:06] <Laney> but I don't even make use of its facilities
[08:06] <Laney> so I will never see that myself
[08:06] <larsu> ah, fair enuogh
[08:07] <willcooke> didrocks, found out what was wrong with my webcam, I had a TV tuner plugged in and it was trying to use that instead
[08:08] <didrocks> willcooke: interesting, do you have any tool to switch your input video source?
[08:08] <willcooke> didrocks, I was fiddling to get SDR working, so I had some crazy kernel modules loaded
[08:09] <didrocks> willcooke: that's the risk when you play with too many toys :)
[09:30]  * Laney stabs dbus-test-runner
[09:33]  * Laney screamcries
[09:33] <Laney> tedg: please to help with the testsuite?
[09:47] <Laney> pitti: I guess you're on the udisks2 failure?
[09:48] <pitti> Laney: looking
[09:49] <Laney> ah, didn't mean to distract you, figured you would be there already
[09:49] <Laney> it's not glib's only blocker atm :)
[09:50] <Laney> dbus-test-runner/ppc worked after 3-4 retries though ...
[09:50] <Laney> but making things work that way makes me feel unclean
[09:54] <pitti> Laney: can reproduce locally, I'll investigate this today
[09:55] <Laney> sure, no rush, thanks
[11:02] <Laney> "general: rework menus of nautilus"
[11:02] <Laney> this might be a hard update ...
[11:07]  * Laney may pick something else for now :)
[11:12] <ochosi> hey Laney
[11:13] <ochosi> just had a discussion within the xubuntu team about which milestones to join, and i was wondering what "I put myself down for nusakan (cdimage) pres butaning for A2 and B1." actually means
[11:14] <Laney> You need someone in Canonical to run the scripts which publish the images
[11:14] <Laney> nusakan is the machine which we do that on
[11:14] <ochosi> ok, i guess there were just several words there i have never heard before :)
[11:14] <ochosi> butaning?
[11:14] <ochosi> (i know what bhutan is and what butane is)
[11:15] <Laney> haha
[11:15] <Laney> just read it as running the scripts
[11:15] <Laney> press button :)
[11:16] <ochosi> oh, so "butaning" ~ "buttoning"?
[11:16] <ochosi> ah hehe, nice
[11:18] <Laney> It's some meme that I don't even know the origin of
[11:18]  * Laney fails at internet
[11:18] <ochosi> there are days when i feel too old for memes
[11:19] <ochosi> (luckily there are also other days!)
[11:20] <Laney> anyway
[11:20] <Laney> hopefully we get volunteers
[11:22] <ochosi> indeed
[11:22] <ochosi> well we've done one last cycle, but we just lost the person knowing the most about it (elfy)
[11:22] <Laney> you lost elfy?
[11:23] <ochosi> well yes
[11:23] <Laney> bleh, shame
[11:23] <ochosi> i don't know any details (and i'm not sure i want to), but it was connected to the community council / kubuntu turmoil somehow
[11:24] <ochosi> so yeah, no fun
[11:24] <Laney> ya
[11:25] <ochosi> i might have to take on more QA duties within xubuntu now, so i'm not a huge fan of stepping up for the b1 release if i don't have to (sorry :/ )
[11:26] <Laney> it's not essential to have the milestone if flavours don't want it
[11:27] <ochosi> yeah i know, we discussed it a bit
[11:27] <ochosi> let's see who else replies after me
[11:41] <seb128> Laney, oh, btw, in case you didn't notice we have an amd64 build from desktop-next now ;-)
[11:42] <Laney> nice!
[11:42] <Laney> does the channel work?
[11:42] <seb128> no
[11:42] <seb128> well "work"
[11:42] <seb128> it's configured/available
[11:42] <seb128> but the image build fails
[11:42] <seb128> could be client side u-d-f issue though
[11:42] <seb128> c.f what I just wrote on #snappy
[11:43] <Laney> fair enough
[11:43] <Laney> getting there
[11:43] <seb128> yeah
[11:43] <seb128> we have most of the pieces in place now
[11:46] <Laney> how will you flash onto a laptop?
[11:47] <seb128> you write an image with u-d-f and dd that to an usb stick
[11:47] <seb128> then you boot that and you dd to a disk I guess
[11:47] <seb128> the "installing" part is in the snappy team backlog
[11:48] <seb128> having an image you can kvm boot or dd on an usb stick is already going to be a first step for testing
[11:48] <Laney> what is ubuntu-device-flash doing there?
[11:48] <seb128> it's fetching tarballs from the server and combining them into a bootable image
[11:48] <seb128> dealing with creating partitions and such
[11:48] <seb128> and unpacking things where they should be
[11:48] <seb128> doing the a-b scheme etc
[11:49] <Laney> can't we just make that thing straight away with the image build?
[11:49] <seb128> mvo, ^ ?
[11:50] <seb128> I'm unsure why we need the client side tools indeed
[11:50] <Laney> s/just// ;-)
[11:50] <seb128> seems like it would be easier to download an img you can dd
[11:50]  * Laney dislikes that
[11:50] <Laney> we used to call it the "categorical just" in computer science
[11:50] <seb128> I guess they have their reasons
[11:50] <Laney> "isn't that just a <really complicated mathematical thing>?"
[11:51] <seb128> "it's only code" :p
[11:52] <seb128> Laney, one thing the u-d-f client side is useful for is that it let you tweaks bits of the image
[11:52] <seb128> like the size of the rw partition
[11:52] <seb128> or enabling dev mode or ssh
[11:53] <seb128> well, I guess it makes sense in the snappy vision
[11:53] <seb128> there is an ubuntu-core base
[11:53] <seb128> then modular snaps for different hardware platforms and such
[11:53] <seb128> so you can combine locally the bits you need
[11:54] <seb128> rather than having to host imaged for every combinaison
[11:54] <seb128> images
[11:57] <dgadomski> hello
[11:58] <dgadomski> seb128: do you remember the gvfs + samba + ACL issue we discussed some time ago? bug #1464645
[11:58] <seb128> dgadomski, hey
[11:58] <seb128> not really no
[11:58] <seb128> reading
[11:59] <seb128> is that the thing you emailed the list about?
[11:59] <seb128> e.g being able to specify mount options?
[11:59] <dgadomski> seb128: yes, that's the same thing
[11:59] <seb128> k, I do remember yes
[11:59] <seb128> we didn't have a bug about that?
[11:59] <mvo> seb128, Laney: doing that on cdimage would be ideal, we need to make it bootable there which is a bit tricky, kpartx is used for that right now and that requires root
[12:00] <dgadomski> seb128: I am not aware about any such bug
[12:00] <seb128> dgadomski, so all the previous discussions were not based on a reported bug?
[12:01] <dgadomski> seb128: not a lp bug at least ;) I just wanted to know if that is even possible to implement before filing a bug
[12:01] <seb128> oh ok
[12:02] <seb128> dgadomski, if none of our users reported the issue so it must not be important ;-)
[12:02] <dgadomski> seb128: yeah, probably it's just affecting specific environments
[12:04] <dgadomski> seb128: do you think it is possible to implement it by providing extra mount options by an env variable or a gsetting?
[12:05] <seb128> dgadomski, unsure what would be the right level to specify the mount options
[12:05] <seb128> maybe pitti has a better idea about that, he knows that stack better
[12:06] <dgadomski> I've been reading the gvfs code and it's architecture is pretty specific, I'm not entirely sure what is possible with that implementation
[12:07] <seb128> is gvfs event the right layer for that?
[12:07] <seb128> or would udisks be better?
[12:07] <dgadomski> if I understand it correctly there is a single mounted fuse filesystem reflecting all kinds of other filesystems with specific backends
[12:08] <seb128> the fuse mounts are for clients that don't use gio/gvfs right?
[12:08] <seb128> otherwise the specific backends don't go through that
[12:08] <seb128> e.g samba uses libsamba
[12:08] <seb128> not the fuse mount
[12:09] <dgadomski> is it? I was getting an impression that there is only one fuse mounted at /run/user/<uid>/gvfs and it just maps all the shares inside that single fuse
[12:10] <dgadomski> i.e. when I mount a samba share it is not displayed as a separate mount, it's just displayed as a dir below /run/user/<uid>/gvfs
[12:10] <seb128> no, I think that's just an addition to allow non-gnome apps to access the mounts
[12:10] <seb128> right
[12:10] <seb128> the gvfs backend don't have fs access points
[12:11] <seb128> if you talk to a smb://... uri it talk to gvfs which talks to the server using libsamba
[12:11] <dgadomski> oh, I see
[12:11] <seb128> the fuse mounts are an extra feature so legacy apps/non gnome ones can access the mount
[12:12] <dgadomski> so I have confused that mechanism for the standard one
[12:12] <dgadomski> so you suspect this has to be done on a non-gvfs level?
[12:16] <seb128> dgadomski, no, in fact I'm unsure what your issue is
[12:16] <seb128> the bug you report is one with the gvfs fuse compat mount
[12:16] <seb128> but that mount is not used if you e.g edit a smb file with gedit
[12:16] <seb128> so if you have a more specific user facing issue, fixing the fuse mount is not going to resolve it
[12:17] <seb128> you should better open a bug explaining the user issue
[12:17] <seb128> e.g "mount a server; edit a file in gedit; save; notice the file permissions are wrong"
[12:17] <seb128> or whatever issue you are actually concerned about there
[12:18] <dgadomski> seb128: you are right, I misunderstood the problem while I was reporting the bug, I'll fix that
[12:18] <seb128> thanks
[12:18] <dgadomski> thank you seb128
[12:18] <seb128> yw!
[12:28] <seb128> bah, GTK
[12:28]  * seb128 kicks the fileselector not letting you type the letter of a file or folder anymore
[12:29] <seb128> oh, typical gtk :-(
[12:29] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748672
[12:30] <seb128> "It's not a bug; the removal of the type-ahead search was very much intentional:"
[12:31] <seb128> though mclasen hits he sort of want to fix just, they just did the typical "let's do what we want throwing things on the way and fix later"
[12:32] <Laney> ya this is bad
[12:32] <mvo> *urgh*
[12:32] <Laney> larsu had a mini argument with them about it
[12:32] <Laney> maybe it's easy to put back on, can you file a gtk316 bug?
[12:32] <mvo> this makes me want to have a different toolkit
[12:32] <seb128> Laney, right, going to do that in a bit
[12:33] <seb128> it's a one liner revert
[12:33] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=8f9c8120b9d8a4cfa9ed1777da37f7a2d618a3a6
[12:33] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=71bd1c7e2c5252b5103bf029e437787e0a002951 as well
[12:33] <Laney> I am wary of saying that :)
[12:33] <Laney> it might have been in january but who knows what happened since
[12:34] <seb128> right
[12:38] <seb128> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1464654
[12:38] <Laney> thx
[12:38] <seb128> yw!
[12:39]  * Laney tries LP git for gstreamer packaging
[12:39] <seb128> nice!
[12:39] <seb128> could be a topic to discuss at Debconf ;-)
[12:40] <Laney> I should just be able to push an 'ubuntu' branch to LP
[13:21] <Sweet5hark1> libreoffice-5.0.0~beta3 building since 2 hours. and -- oh, wonders -- amd64 seems to be fixed.
[13:21] <willcooke> \o/
[13:25] <ogra_> where is the snap ?
[13:25] <Laney> no trolling, it's not fri... oh wait
[13:25] <ogra_> lol
[13:27]  * didrocks snappifies ogra_
[13:27]  * ogra_ feels snappy now
[13:27] <didrocks> I don't trust this guy, put him in a sandbox! :)
[13:27]  * didrocks hugs ogra_
[13:28]  * ogra_ hugs didrocks
[13:34] <mdeslaur> has anyone else noticed that software-center in vivid doesn't show application icons anymore?
[13:35] <ogra_> mdeslaur, i have them here
[13:36] <ogra_> most are the generic box though ...
[13:37] <mdeslaur> ogra_: this is what I'm seeing in vivid: http://snag.gy/ahDyp.jpg
[13:37] <mdeslaur> yeah, all the generic icons instead of the application ones
[13:37] <ogra_> right, but there are still apps that have a proper icon
[13:37] <ogra_> (gparted, inkscape etc)
[13:38] <mdeslaur> a few work, but on utopic, I get all of them
[13:38] <ogra_> weird
[13:39] <mdeslaur> this is utopic: http://snag.gy/s7hND.jpg
[13:41] <mdeslaur> mvo: where does software-center get it's icons from?
[13:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, guess what?
[13:45] <seb128> it's a new-gtk issue...
[13:45] <seb128> I bet it has to do with the change to enforce the icon size
[13:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: why, of course is it :)
[13:45] <seb128> first thing I tried, use gtk 3.12 and ... bingo, it works
[13:45] <mvo> seb128: meh, on vivid?
[13:45] <seb128> mvo, yes
[13:45] <mvo> :(
[13:46] <mdeslaur> awesomesauce
[13:52] <seb128> mvo, you might need to force the icon size you request
[13:53]  * didrocks whistles "backward compatibility"
[13:53]  * seb128 whistles "gtk"
[13:53] <mvo> seb128: we have a mail-thread about the maintenance just now, don't we :)
[13:54] <seb128> mvo, yeah ;-)
[13:54]  * mdeslaur gets popcorn
[13:54] <mvo> lol
[13:54] <mdeslaur> seb128: just rename it snappy-software-center
[13:55] <mvo> seb128: I can not even release, I don't know where the debian dir is, I'm happy to fixup stuff, but then it needs to become something that I can actually bzr-buildpackage
[13:55] <seb128> oh, more fun
[13:55]  * mvo stops complaining and writes code
[13:55] <mvo> mdeslaur: hahaha
[13:56] <seb128> reviews are broken
[13:56] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1462211
[13:56] <seb128> works with old gtk as well
[13:56] <seb128> invalid property n_rows on a GtkGrid
[13:56] <seb128> shrug
[13:57] <seb128> bug #1445745
[13:57] <seb128> " It appears that the Glade utility uses an "n_rows" property field on GtkGrids that is no longer good"
[13:58] <didrocks> it's a way at least to not have bad reviews on software-center because there very few icons showing up ;)
[13:58] <seb128> lol
[13:59] <mdeslaur> hehehe
[14:00] <desrt> hello from ottawa
[14:00] <seb128> hey desrt ;-)
[14:00] <seb128> how is ottawa?
[14:00] <pitti> hey desrt!
[14:00] <desrt> it's a beautiful city :)
[14:00] <pitti> desrt: oh, following the women's soccer championship?
[14:00] <desrt> and it's filled with people who have a lot of the same concerns as we often do...
[14:01] <desrt> pitti: BSDCan
[14:01]  * pitti was watching on Sun and yesterday
[14:01] <didrocks> desrt: /!\ soccer discussion detected
[14:01] <desrt> didrocks: no kidding :)
[14:01] <desrt> too many europeans here :)
[14:02] <didrocks> :)
[14:02] <desrt> it's like a critical mass thing
[14:02] <desrt> pitti: i didn't realise it was here until yesterday when we randomly happened upon the stadium :)
[14:02] <pitti> didrocks: okay, okay, I STFU :)
[14:03] <seb128> mvo, if you fix issues dobey can probably help you to roll a package update then
[14:03] <pitti> enjoying "ze games"?
[14:03] <seb128> didrocks, you should enjoy woman soccer, Lyon has the best team in France ;-)
[14:04] <seb128> be proud of your city ! :p
[14:04] <pitti> and it's muuuuch less commercialized than men's soccer
[14:04] <desrt> professional sports are lame
[14:05] <seb128> here come the curling man ;-)
[14:05] <didrocks> seb128: really? I even didn't know it
[14:05] <desrt> man.. curling sure is swell
[14:05] <desrt> but even it's starting to get 'more professional' unfortunately :(
[14:05] <desrt> but i mean... seriously
[14:05] <desrt> look at what it turns into
[14:05] <desrt> the contest is who has the best drug chemists to better hide drugs
[14:06] <desrt> and who can give the biggest bribes to fifa or ioc without getting caught
[14:06] <didrocks> oh, it's time for Tour de France again ;)
[14:06] <didrocks> (saw chemist, hiding drugs…)
[14:06] <dobey> huh?
[14:06] <desrt> didrocks: ya.. another fine example
[14:06] <seb128> hey dobey
[14:07] <dobey> oh, hmm
[14:08] <seb128> dobey, mvo might need help to get s-c package updated ;-)
[14:08] <seb128> unsure if you changed things when you were working on it
[14:09] <dobey> i made it non-native. but i'm sure mvo has sufficient upload permissions and can easily just throw a patch in debian/patches to quickly SRU something if needed
[14:11] <desrt> keynote talk right now is being given by the guy who invented environment variables
[14:13] <pitti> desrt: ah, long env var vs. dconf discussion after that? :-)
[14:13] <desrt> i don't know if dconf would run on a PDP.  i'm rather certain it didn't exist in the 60s :)
[14:17] <desrt> just told an amusing story of how "void" got invented
[14:17] <desrt> ritchie was originally against it until he realise that he could save a single instruction :)
[14:18] <pitti> desrt: ah, otherwise everything would have had to return int?
[14:18] <desrt> ya
[14:18] <pitti> saves a pop off the stack, I figure :)
[14:18] <desrt> i guess they probably used a register
[14:18] <pitti> so, saves a LOAD reg, 0?
[14:18] <desrt> ya.. basically
[14:25] <seb128> dobey, what vcs do you use? lp:software-center has no debian dir
[14:27] <dobey> seb128: indeed it doesn't. as i said, i changed it to be a non-native package. and UDD package import for it has been broken for a long time, so lp:ubuntu/software-center also is not up to date, so you need to use pull-lp-source for it
[14:27] <seb128> dobey, mvo, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtkgrid-deprecated-nrow/+merge/261855
[14:27] <seb128> dobey, well, non-native could have been full source including debian/ dir in the vcs
[14:28] <seb128> dobey, mvo, do you know what part of the code loads the icons on the main view?
[14:28] <dobey> seb128: if debian/ is in the upstream source tree, that is a native package. using non-native version numbers in the changelog and then including a bzr bd config file to tell it to create a non-native package using the tree, is evil
[14:29] <dobey> seb128: i do not. i'm not sure which parts of the main view are html versus gtk+ either.
[14:29] <seb128> dobey, hum, k
[14:53] <dobey> seb128, mvo: i guess i could do the minimal work needed to convert software-center back to a native package and move it over to landing via ci train, if that would make things easier going forward.
[14:53] <seb128> dobey, that would be nice
[14:54] <dobey> seb128: i'll see if i can find a little time to do that, after i finish what i'm currently working on
[14:54] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[15:09] <pmcgowan> seb128,  I am not getting xchat notifications since going to vivid I think  is there a way to check if the plugin is working/loaded
[15:09] <seb128> pmcgowan, go to the preferences, plugins and see if it's loaded
[15:09] <pmcgowan> seb128, sorry where?
[15:10] <seb128> pmcgowan, using xchat or xchat-gnome?
[15:10] <pmcgowan> seb128, xchat, and I see it in the messaging drop down
[15:10] <pmcgowan> but nothing is showing up
[15:10] <seb128> pmcgowan, yeah, that's orthogonal
[15:11] <pmcgowan> nice word
[15:11] <seb128> it means it's a known app, not that the client is enable/sending messages
[15:11] <seb128> I'm using xchat-gnome
[15:11] <seb128> unsure where the plugins options are under xchat
[15:11] <seb128> look in the menus/preferences?
[15:11] <pmcgowan> looking
[15:13] <pmcgowan> says its loaded
[15:13] <seb128> what plugin?
[15:13] <pmcgowan> indicator.so from xchat-indicator
[15:14] <pmcgowan> messaging indicator
[15:14] <pmcgowan> wonder if I just reinstall it
[15:16] <seb128> pmcgowan, better?
[15:17] <pmcgowan> yeah its working after restarting the app
[15:17] <pmcgowan> weird
[15:24] <seb128> weird it is
[15:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: it's vivid nothing surprises me
[15:31] <seb128> larsu, Laney, desrt, you good people, is one of you having this year #gtk+ logs maybe?
[15:32] <seb128> Laney, you win, I wish unity was in git now :p
[15:32] <Laney> seb128: yeah what are you after?
[15:32] <Laney> ha, how come?
[15:33] <seb128> Laney, there was a discussion about gtk_icon_theme_has_icon () that doesn't work anymore/the same way after gtk update
[15:33] <seb128> that bite andyrock/unity like previous cycle
[15:33] <seb128> I don't remember the details
[15:33] <seb128> but I think software-center not loading icons is the same
[15:34] <seb128> Laney, with git I could grep through historical changes in unity that mention gtk_icon_theme_has_icon in their diff I think ;-)
[15:34]  * seb128 read about that,never tried
[15:34] <seb128> well, maybe bzr can do the same but I don't know how
[15:34] <Laney> #gtk+.log-20140722.gz:21/07 13:26:03 <ricotz> mclasen, hi, do you know if it is intended that gtk_icon_theme_has_icon() returns false for icons located in e.g. /usr/share/pixmaps while gtk_icon_theme_load_icon() properly loads it?
[15:34] <Laney> ?
[15:34] <seb128> Laney, that's it!
[15:34] <seb128> that's bitting s-c as well
[15:34] <seb128> what was the outcome?
[15:35] <Laney> no solution
[15:35] <seb128> bah
[15:35] <Laney> mclasen hinted it was not intentional
[15:35]  * seb128 shakes fist at gtk
[15:36] <seb128> let me try to see what unity did
[15:36] <seb128> Laney, thanks! you just had a beer_owned++, can collect at Debconf ;-)
[15:36] <Laney> heh
[15:36] <Laney> you found it?
[15:37] <seb128> Laney, not yet, but at least it confirms it's what I though
[15:38] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/bamf/lp-1407192/+merge/246749
[15:38] <seb128> using gtk_icon_theme_lookup_icon() instead
[15:39] <Laney> ++
[15:41] <seb128> mdeslaur, did you open a bug about the s-c icon thing? if not I would welcome one that I can use for a SRU
[15:42]  * seb128 fixed 2 s-c/gtk bugs now today, I might go for a third one ;-)
[15:44] <Laney> smells like a new maintainer
[15:45] <seb128> ^_^
[15:45]  * seb128 uncommits and delete mps
[15:45] <seb128> me, touching s-c? never...
[15:45] <willcooke> :D
[15:47] <Laney> fix the black bar plz
[15:48] <Laney> the "Show technical items" one
[15:48] <seb128> shrug, it's happening, people taking me for the maintainer!
[15:48] <seb128> is that a theme issue?
[15:49] <Laney> HAHA nice try!
[15:49]  * Laney shields lars_u
[15:51] <seb128> :-)
[15:51] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-base1.0/+git/gst-plugins-base1.0
[15:51] <Laney> breaking new ground
[15:53] <seb128> nice!
[15:53] <seb128> working fine so far?
[15:54] <Laney> basics do
[15:54] <Laney> I wanted to have it under code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-base1.0 but that's not there yet
[15:54] <Laney> and I don't know what the workflow should look like either
[15:55] <Laney> like should I push the branches which are shared with Debian or not?
[15:56] <seb128> good question, is that needed to merge from them?
[15:56] <seb128> I guess not
[15:56] <seb128> we can just pull from debian location
[15:56] <seb128> but consistency/having things stored together is nice
[15:56] <Laney> then it's more complex to checkout
[15:57] <Laney> and weird if we want to go ahead
[16:01] <Laney> (going to catch a train, bbiab from it assuming there is signal)
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, have fun
[16:04] <mdeslaur> seb128: I haven't. Still want one?
[16:05] <seb128> mdeslaur, yes, please
[16:05] <mdeslaur> ok, one sec
[16:06] <seb128> thanks
[16:07] <mdeslaur> seb128: bug 1464722
[16:07] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks
[16:11] <seb128> mdeslaur, mvo, dobey: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtk-has-icon/+merge/261867
[16:11] <seb128> mdeslaur, you should be able to edit the installed version if you want to test that
[16:13] <mdeslaur> seb128: yep, that worked
[16:14] <seb128> mdeslaur, great
[16:15] <seb128> I'm going to upload to wily now and SRU next week
[16:16] <mdeslaur> cool, thanks
[16:25] <seb128> mdeslaur, in fact SRUed while I was at it
[16:25] <seb128> on that note I'm going for a walk, back in  ~1h to deal with backlog and calling it a week
[16:26] <seb128> have a good w.e for those going now
[16:26] <mdeslaur> cool
[16:26] <mdeslaur> bye!
[16:48] <Laney> yo homies
[17:09] <willcooke> happy weekend all
[17:09]  * willcooke -> EOD


[00:06] <lex79> Riddell: Debian has qtcreator with QML support, if we want that, you can sync it
[00:10] <ScottK> Riddell: I think they'd be a lot happier if we'd just ship their language packs directly.   I also think making a POT in kde4libs for Ubuntu unique strings might be a good idea.  Then that could just go into Rosetta.
[00:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: You're all about pink and fluffy.  Klingons are not.
[01:24] <DarkwingDuck> anyone seen nixternal?
[01:42] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I'm finishing up my bugs. You have any outstanding bugs for the docs?
[01:50] <jjesse> lots of changes i need to make
[01:50] <jjesse> when is freeze?
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> tomorrow jjesse
[01:51] <jjesse> srsly?
[01:51] <jjesse> gargh
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> I was in the middle of a move and we've lost nixternal
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> So, it's you and I lol
[01:51] <jjesse> hrmm i don't have any i will get to tonight
[01:51] <jjesse> but there were need to be a lot of fixes post string
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> I'm getting major ones tonight because I will ahve time.
[01:52] <DarkwingDuck> I'll be in fort wayne in about a month :D
[01:52] <jjesse> ok sry about that
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> Naww, it's ok, I was reminded today
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[01:53] <DarkwingDuck> RL messed me up bad
[01:53] <jjesse> yeah me 2 this release
[01:54] <jjesse> been focused on work
[01:54] <jjesse> oh well, we will just have to figure out how to do a bug release
[01:54]  * jjesse grumbles
[01:55] <jjesse> just saw mdke's email
[01:56] <jjesse> was there a lot of work done on ubuntu-docs this time?
[01:56] <jjesse> didn't seem a lot of commits
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> I don't think so
[02:00] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntu side there is a lot... I guess most of it will have to be done for Maverick +1
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> the upgrade to 4.5 took me on...
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> There is quite a bit of change.
[02:01] <jjesse> yes there is a ton
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[02:01] <jjesse> don't kill youself
[02:01] <DarkwingDuck> Looks like another re-write for 11.04
[02:01] <jjesse> we will just have to make a bunch of changes and figure out how to do a release
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I don't know if we will have nix for 11.04 either
[02:02] <jjesse> seems most of the love for documentation has been changed to the ubuntu manual
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> *nods*
[02:02] <jjesse> you never know these days w/ nixternal
[02:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah I know... You know how to package?
[02:02] <jjesse> nope
[02:03] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll learn that... We are going to have a TON of work for 11.04
[02:03] <DarkwingDuck> with 4.5+
[02:55] <ScottK> debfx: From #debian-qt-kde - <idis> in the try-to-avoid-past-mistakes-dept, i would postpone attica work until you guys need it...
[02:55] <ScottK> So it sounds like it's not ready.
[04:49] <ScottK> ryanakca: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kolabd/2.2.4-20100624-1ubuntu1 Have fun.  Let me know what needs fixing.
[04:58] <nixternal> ok, who shut off my server when I wasn't looking?
[05:06] <nixternal> guess nobody. guess i will go look at a wall or something. peace out homeskillets!
[09:17] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: any news on the kdepim build?
[09:49] <Riddell> Mamarok: launchpad is down today so I guess no builds of anything :(
[09:50] <Mamarok> right, shadeslayer had problems to get kdepim to build on launchpad yesterday, I was wondering if he had asked for help with that. Or was this a launchpad problem anyway?
[09:52] <persia> LP has onlly been down an hour so far, and will be up in two more (or so)
[09:55] <Riddell> Mamarok: he didn't get it built yesterday and I ran out of time to look at it
[09:55] <Riddell> will do when launchpad reappears
[09:57] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[09:58] <Mamarok> I will be immensely grateful so I can get rid of that horrible beta1 version here :)
[09:59] <debfx> ScottK: what about attica?
[10:02] <Riddell> debfx: lex79 put it into the experimental PPA
[10:20] <dpm> Riddell, thanks for the reply on the e-mail re: kdgantt. I'll leave the kdepim kdgantt and kdgantt1 as they are, but should I approve the kdgantt template in _koffice_?
[10:21] <Riddell> dpm: no, it's the same translations for the same code
[10:33] <dpm> Riddell, ok, thanks, then I'll delete kdgantt for koffice in the imports queue
[10:41] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: at least suse has a own-changes-pot
[10:42] <apachelogger> which makes things a lot simpler and improves runtime performance since they have everything in one mo file IIRC
[11:00] <Riddell> how can it improve performance to add another translation file?
[11:05] <Riddell> ooh, shiny new launchpad
[11:20] <jussi> but stil.. the search is at the bottom...
[11:21] <sheytan> apachelogger hi :)
[11:22] <sheytan> remeber i mentioned to replace quick access plasmoid with folder view?
[11:23] <Riddell> folder view suffers from using the same icon as "show the desktop"
[11:23] <Riddell> but mostly, we're past UI freeze
[11:24] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: how did you get on with the docs?
[11:26] <sheytan> Riddell damn. I want to ask if someone could refresh the quick access to use the slide animation and use plasma scrollbars :)
[11:27] <Nightrose> launchpad fails at telling new users what it actually is on the first page :/
[11:28] <Nightrose> ahno it does when you're not logged in
[11:58] <apachelogger> sheytan: you will have to talk to JT about that, he is the maintaiiner after all
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: we are adding multiple translations file, suse adds one
[11:59] <apachelogger> for desktop files that makes a difference
[12:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: ad catalog loading in kded ... generally it loads the global catalogs as per klocale and IIRC loads its own catalog .... modules will add new catalogs either manually or by constructing their own kaboutdata and using it for their component
[12:02] <sheytan> apachelogger is 'JT' his nick name?
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, it will not show up in your strace unless you manually start the module via systemsettings ... I do not think knh gets autostarted at kded4 start
[12:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: no, his name ... jonathan thomas :P
[12:02] <apachelogger> sheytan: JontheEchidna
[12:03] <sheytan> apachelogger, oh, ok, thanks :)
[12:04] <sheytan> JontheEchidna so, my idea is to port quick access plasmoid to use slide animation and plasma scrollbars. :)
[12:04] <JontheEchidna> that would require a rewrite of the whole thing, for the most part
[12:05] <JontheEchidna> for plasma scrollbars, at least
[12:06] <sheytan> JontheEchidna well, but it is worth :)
[12:07]  * apachelogger thinks quickaccess by default is not very useful anyway
[12:08]  * apachelogger is wondering where to go eating to today
[12:08] <sheytan> apchelogger if it by default be setup as downloads or documents, it is :)
[12:08] <apachelogger> but it isnt
[12:09] <apachelogger> also for that I personally think it needed another icon
[12:09] <apachelogger> also I do not think downloads makes much sense
[12:09] <apachelogger> especially since rekonq apparently does not download to downloads
[12:09] <apachelogger> and downloads on you bun too == Desktop
[12:09] <apachelogger> or has that changed?
[12:10] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: I've found a new game, I call it "click on every thing that's clickable in Muon until it crashes" :P
[12:10] <sheytan> apachelogger i personaly use it as downloads, and couldn't live without it
[12:10] <apachelogger> smarter_: lol
[12:10] <smarter_> ('morning all)
[12:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, I noticed that there is quite a delay between clicking the 'look for updates' button (or whatever it is called in english) and it actually displaying anything
[12:11] <JontheEchidna> smarter_: found anything?
[12:11] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: I fixed a few crashes yesterday but this one seems tricky: http://paste.ubuntu.com/490462/ (and I haven't been able to reproduce it)
[12:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: I doubt users give much about downloads folders and neither does rekonq that ol' vampire
[12:12] <apachelogger> personal documents makes sense
[12:12] <apachelogger> sorta
[12:12] <apachelogger> it would have the same problem as folderview right now ... being empty
[12:13] <smarter_> are we really going with rekonq for this release?
[12:14] <apachelogger> looks like it
[12:14] <apachelogger> people did not complain
[12:14] <apachelogger> I asked on identica and twitter just to be sure :P
[12:14] <apachelogger> I only got praise in reply
[12:15] <JontheEchidna> smarter_: usually that crash means that the QApt::Package is invalid or something
[12:16] <smarter_> yep, I guess the distUpgrade did something that invalidated it? Maybe it's a timing problem?
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> but the package pointer isn't null in this case...
[12:16] <JontheEchidna> ah, I have a similar crash in muon-updater
[12:16] <smarter_> no, what's null is one of the pointer at line 535
[12:16] <smarter_> yes, muon-updater crash on start here, but I haven't investigated
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> on start? O_o
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> it only crashes when I unmark a package here
[12:17] <smarter_> the m_backend seems to never be set to anything but null
[12:18] <smarter_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/490895/
[12:19] <JontheEchidna> But m_backend should be set in the MuonMainWindow baseclass...
[12:19] <JontheEchidna> smarter_: that's weird too
[12:21] <dpm> Riddell, plasma-applet-application-menu and plasma-applet-menubarapplet are the same in https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/plasma-widget-menubar - is that intended, or shall I disable one of them?
[12:23] <dpm> Also, could someone perhaps confirm bug 630147 and add a task for the relevant kubuntu package?
[12:24] <smarter_> actually m_backend is probably set to something, it's filtersAcceptRow that does something wrong, or that gets garbage as input
[12:25] <Riddell> dpm: plasma_applet_application_menu has been renamed to plasma_applet_menubarapplet  please copy over translations
[12:25] <Riddell> bug 633446
[12:25] <Riddell> dpm: also similarly for plasma_applet_message_indicator.pot renamed to plasma_applet_message-indicator.pot  bug 633432
[12:28] <Riddell> dpm: by the way you said that $LANGUAGE didn't work on a couple of items in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Translations but it worked fine for me, I think maybe you had KDE's language settings too which will override $LANGUAGE
[12:29] <dpm> Riddell, I added the comment because you had mentioned they didn't work for you. I didn't have any problem, as my LANG and LANGUAGE matched :)
[12:30] <Riddell> dpm: my problem was having  $LANGUAGE set when I didn't remember I had it set
[12:32] <dpm> ok. Right plasma_* templates sorted
[12:33] <dpm> Riddell, any clues to which kubuntu package could be causing bug 630147?
[12:34] <Riddell> dpm: hmm, let me try and remember
[12:36] <Riddell> dpm: they're made by /usr/bin/xdg-user-dirs-update which gets run by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg-user-dirs-update
[12:36] <Riddell> and it should just pick up the system locale on first run
[12:37] <apachelogger> if I manually remove mine and invoke the update binary I get a translated download dir at least
[12:37] <apachelogger> XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/Téléchargements"
[12:38] <dpm> yeah, but I think that was a new installation. Let me check on mine
[12:38] <apachelogger> well, I do not see why the others would be translated but downloads not
[12:41] <Riddell> maybe he doesn't have the language pack installed
[12:41] <Riddell> that's more likely
[12:42] <apachelogger> I think we best do a new install ^^
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: shouldnt the dirs be updated to conform with new locale?
[12:43] <dpm> apachelogger, Riddell, I can actually confirm it on a new install: all xdg-user-dirs are translated except Dwonloads
[12:43] <apachelogger> very odd
[12:43] <Riddell> ah hah http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xdg-user-dirs.mo&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any
[12:43] <Riddell> the translations are in the gnome language packs
[12:44] <apachelogger> sweet
[12:44] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:46] <dpm> right, so perhaps I'll add a task for langpack-o-matic to put it in the non-gnome-non-kde language pack, but there is still the bug that gnome translations are not installed in kubuntu and the other way round
[12:48] <apachelogger> dpm: why should they?
[12:48] <apachelogger> I mean, other than when you have an app that requires them
[12:48] <Riddell> actually, the translations are in the xdg-user-dirs package
[12:48] <apachelogger> in which case silly qt-language-selector should throw a notification
[12:48] <Riddell> curiouser and curiouser
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe incomplete in the package?
[12:49] <dpm> apachelogger, that's what I meant, I seem to remember there is a bug whereby when installing a GNOME app in kubuntu, it doesn't pull the gnome language packs
[12:50] <apachelogger> dpm: well, I imagine that difficult to do (pulling it in), what needs to happen is that qt-language-selector either gets a package hook or checks on login (and then periodically) whether new language packs are needed
[12:50] <apachelogger> but ... qt-language-selector ... :S
[12:51] <apachelogger> dpm: how is this done in gnome?
[12:51] <dpm> apachelogger, I think the same problem is present, but there is a bug about it mentioning a possible solution involving aptdaemon IIRC, give me a few mins to dig out the bug...
[12:52] <apachelogger> well, aptdaemon could hook into this
[12:52] <apachelogger> same could be done with packagekit for kubuntu
[12:52] <apachelogger> the problem I have with this approach is that it does not apply global
[12:52] <glatzor> dpm, apachelogger, I added a plugin mechanism to aptdaemon for language selector
[12:52] <apachelogger> i.e. if you install something with apt-get you would still end up without translations
[12:52] <glatzor> dpm, apachelogger but it has never been used by language-selector
[12:53] <CIA-116> [muon] gmartres * 1173450 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/PackageModel/PackageModel.cpp PackageModel::setPackages: use {begin,end}ResetModel() instead of {begin,end}InsertRows() with incorrect parameters, prevent muon-updater from crashing on launch
[12:53] <dpm> awesome to have glatzor watching here :)
[12:53] <apachelogger> glatzor: did you tell arne?
[12:53] <apachelogger> IIRC he is maintaining language-selector nowadays
[12:53] <Riddell> not any more
[12:53] <glatzor> dpm, apachelogger, In the end you would need also a kind of plugin mechanism for the packagekit backends. I could port them to the apt backend, but it is non-trivial with the aptcc backend
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: is it unmaintained?
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: maybe dpm will maintain it :)
[12:54] <lex79> o/
[12:54]  * Riddell learns the German for Downloads is Downloads
[12:55] <apachelogger> glatzor: dantti will surely make us something for aptcc ... but I really think we need a functionallity in place to cover all other package managers too
[12:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: in KDE german it would be Heruntergeladenes I am sure
[12:55] <dpm> Riddell, I'd be glad to if I had Ubuntu developer superpowers, but afaik it will be left unmaintained at least for this cycle
[12:55] <apachelogger> IIRC they do not use the term Download in KDE german
[12:55]  * lex79 thinks trash plasmoid by default instead quickaccess is better for average users
[12:56] <apachelogger> dpm: I am sure Kubuntu could take over maintainership of the backend and implement it in a sane language :P
[12:56] <apachelogger> lex79: I agree
[12:56] <apachelogger> should be evaluated for 11.04 very much
[12:56] <lex79> yes
[12:56] <lex79> we can make happy some users
[12:57] <apachelogger> IIRC I even reported a bug about trash not being visible enough in 10.04
[12:57] <apachelogger> did forget to revisit the issue though
[12:58] <apachelogger> bug 554067
[12:58] <lex79> oh I remember now
[12:59] <apachelogger> bug 372379 pretty much is resolved btw
[12:59] <apachelogger> khtml 4.5 features autodownload I think
[12:59] <apachelogger> on that note we probably should ditch the list in kds
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think to get LANG and LANGUAGE going the kcm just needs to ditch them in .profile
[13:08] <Riddell> or /home/jr/.kde/env/
[13:09] <Riddell> there might be other things in .profile and it's probably not a great idea to edit it
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: .profile is cross-desktopy
[13:10] <apachelogger> and I think gnome uses it for per-session language
[13:10] <apachelogger> or maybe that was .dmrc
[13:10] <apachelogger> one of those anyway
[13:10] <Riddell> what tool does gnome use to set per-session language?
[13:10] <Riddell> dpm: ^^
[13:10]  * apachelogger tries to remember where he read about those two
[13:11] <apachelogger> oh, language-selector maybe
[13:11] <Riddell> that doesn't do it per session
[13:12] <Riddell> maybe they just expect people to use GDM
[13:12] <lex79> Riddell: can you sync qtcreator from debian when you have time?
[13:12] <Riddell> lex79: unstable?
[13:12] <lex79> experimental
[13:12] <lex79> qtcreator with QML support
[13:14] <Riddell> lex79: ubuntu changes can be dropped?
[13:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/annotate/head:/LanguageSelector/LocaleInfo.py#L217
[13:14] <lex79> Riddell: yes
[13:15]  * apachelogger still doesnt know what to get for lunch
[13:16]  * Mamarok eats "Kartoffelstock mit Röstzwiebeln"
[13:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: maybe I'm wrong.  does it have a setUserLanguage?
[13:16] <apachelogger> dont see one
[13:17] <apachelogger> ah
[13:17] <apachelogger>     def writeUserLangSetting(self, userLang):
[13:17] <apachelogger> in languageselector.py
[13:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/language-selector/ubuntu/annotate/head:/LanguageSelector/LanguageSelector.py#L187
[13:18] <Riddell> ah hah, so .profile it is
[13:18] <dpm> Riddell, gdm upon login, or gnome-language-selector to change it afterwards
[13:18] <apachelogger> also it has a dbus interface now, so we could probably polkitify the Qt ui
[13:19] <apachelogger> if python's dbus implementation is anything like Qt's then language-selector does horribly inefficient things
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> smarter_: so, the crash I had been talking about in muon-updater is where unmarking any package causes a crash
[13:23] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: and I just fixed mine
[13:23] <JontheEchidna> neat
[13:24] <smarter_> but now I haven't any package to upgrade so I can't try to reproduce yours :p
[13:24]  * smarter_ enables some random PPA
[13:24] <apachelogger> dpm: well, my offer stands - qtcore depdent c++ implementation of language-selector backend to which frontends would attach via dbus ;)
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/490932/
[13:24] <apachelogger> smarter_: you could enable the akunambol ppa and try akunambol :P
[13:25] <smarter_> apachelogger: that's probably something I'll use once I'll have a smartphone :p
[13:25] <dpm> apachelogger, I'd love to have language-selector maintained, but unfortunately I've got no say in that :)
[13:25] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that name sounds like some akonadi love child name :P
[13:25] <smarter_> it's akonadi + funambol
[13:25] <apachelogger> it makes akonadi have babies with any syncml server
[13:25] <apachelogger> dpm: who has?
[13:26] <dpm> apachelogger, I'm in the community team, not in desktop, Riddell might be able to tell more
[13:26]  * apachelogger makes a list of things to take off today
[13:27] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: nasty, and it doesn't happen when unmarking stuff with muon
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> right
[13:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^ somewhere up there
[13:27] <apachelogger> ohhh
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> the UpdaterWidget is most similar to the ReviewWidget
[13:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, smarter_, Riddell: since you are here ... if you had a library that does not have soname (presumably because it is a VCS snapshot, whereas previous stable releases had a soname) ... how would you name that package?
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> and really it should work in the same way, I'm just asking QApt to mark things for dist-upgrade, then adding changed packages
[13:28] <apachelogger> in particular the lib is named libfoo-1.1.1.so
[13:28] <apachelogger> so I was thinking either libfoo or libfoo-1.1.1
[13:28] <apachelogger> that is PPA only
[13:28] <apachelogger> (btw)
[13:29] <smarter_> apachelogger: 1.1.1+gitAAMMDD ?
[13:29] <smarter_> (or svn, bzr, ...)
[13:29] <apachelogger> smarter_: libfoo-1.1.1+git224?
[13:29] <smarter_> YYMMDD actually
[13:29] <apachelogger> that seems overly oggy since I think upstream bumps the name suffix with incompatible changes
[13:30] <apachelogger> it is just that they maintain no proper soversion :S
[13:30] <smarter_> ask them to bump it :p
[13:30] <smarter_> then 1.1.2~gitYYMMDD
[13:32] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: we could create a base class shared by both
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> could work, just would need a setHeaderText() method so that each could have their custom header text, and such
[13:34] <smarter_> yep, we need more DRY in muon :p
[13:34] <persia> I'd recommend forcing SONAME when not previously defined. "${pkg}.${ver}.so.0u" is often a useful place to start.
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> DRY?
[13:35] <smarter_> Don't Repeat Yourself
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> ah
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[13:35] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: commented out m_detailsWidget->clear() in refresh() (one of the only difference with ReviewWidget), no more crash :)
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> huh
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> interesting
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> I think I added that for a reason. Can't remember what atm
[13:37] <smarter_> well, once you unmark the detailswidget is still there for the package, and you can remove it or stuff like that
[13:37] <smarter_> should probably be hide()
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> yeah. I've also been meaning to add a way to hide the detailsWidget manually
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> maybe clicking an already-selected package again should hide it?
[13:38] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: that's inconsistent with the way listview work usually
[13:39] <smarter_> maybe a little close button
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> oh
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> I know why I added that m_detailsWidget->clear() now
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> try refreshing the cache from muon-updater
[13:40] <smarter_> I see :p
[13:40] <smarter_> but just hiding it should be enough
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> I think that it doesn't do that for ReviewWidget, because ReviewWidget gets deleted after a worker operation
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> hide() fixed it :)
[13:42] <smarter_> actually I get a crash with hide() after a refresh
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> where did you stick your hide() call?
[13:43] <smarter_> where the clear() was
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> same here
[13:43] <smarter_> just trying to refresh is enough for crashing
[13:44] <smarter_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/490937/
[13:44] <JontheEchidna> that's the same crash as with clear()
[13:46]  * Riddell wonders what makes plasma-mobile crash on the live CD but not on his installed system http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/Jy2ggRe2
[13:47] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: I think I know what's wrong
[13:48] <ScottK> Riddell: dbus running?
[13:49] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, other KDE apps including plasma-desktop run fine
[13:50] <ScottK> Hmmm.  No idea.
[13:53] <persia> Does maybe casper need some hint?
[13:54] <Riddell> persia: well that's a separate issue, we need to work out how to get KDM to run the right session
[13:54] <Riddell> but first issue is getting a working plasma-mobile running at all
[13:56]  * Riddell runs  watch -n 30 "w3m ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source -dump | grep everywhere"
[13:59] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: when you unmark, a packageChanged() signal is emitted (by setKeep), this signal causes UpdaterWidget to refresh() and DetailsTabs to refreshTabs(), except that refreshTabs assume that the tabs haven't been clear()ed
[14:01] <smarter_> kubotu: !!
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> ~order cookies
[14:01]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to JontheEchidna.
[14:01] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[14:02] <smarter_> apachelogger: that's a nice irc cloak :p
[14:08] <yofel> hy
[14:08] <yofel> kubotu: wb :)
[14:15] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: okay, I've got a simple fix, simply don't call refreshTabs() when packageChanged() is emitted and use hide(), we don't care about the state of the DetailsWidget when it's hidden anyway
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> this would only work for the UpdaterWidget, though. Might complicate making a base class
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> better than a crash, though
[14:16] <smarter_> the base class could let the subclass handle when the detailswidget should be shown/hidden
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:24] <CIA-116> [muon] gmartres * 1173471 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/UpdaterWidget.cpp UpdaterWidget: fix crash when unmarking packages
[14:30]  * shadeslayer checks builds
[14:30] <dantti_work> apachelogger: what were you talking about aptcc and translations? I couldn't follow the backlog
[14:30] <shadeslayer> i checked them @ college, just before lp went down, they were FTBFS
[14:31] <shadeslayer> bah :   kdepim-runtime: Depends: kdebase-runtime but it is not going to be installed
[14:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Log into your pbuilder chroot and try it locally then you can see why.
[14:32] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1173472 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWindow.cpp main.cpp) Use Muon branding here
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it built fine on my lucid pbuilder with the backports PPA..im guessing i missed copying a package
[14:34] <ScottK> right and if you try to do it locally, then you can find out which
[14:35] <shadeslayer> looking
[14:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it misses libutemper
[14:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but thats in the archive
[14:43] <ScottK> In sufficient version?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> id say yes
[14:43] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libutempter <
[14:43] <shadeslayer> just a new package from debian with same version
[14:47] <lex79> ScottK: can you retry this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-cwp/1.2.1-1/+build/1950330
[14:47] <ScottK> Sure
[14:48] <ScottK> lex79: Done.
[14:48] <lex79> thanks
[14:49] <Riddell>   kdebase-runtime: Depends: oxygen-icon-theme (>= 4:4.5) but it is not going to be installed
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: missing new oxygen-icon-theme
[14:49] <shadeslayer> i actually thought of copying that :P
[14:49] <lex79> ScottK: kdeedu is ftbs on armel
[14:50] <ScottK> I'll have a look.
[14:50] <shadeslayer> but ninja dep graph didnt say anything :D
[14:50] <ScottK> lex79: No: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2
[14:51] <CIA-116> [muon] jmthomas * 1173477 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Update TODO with some things I want to get accomplished for 1.1
[14:53] <CIA-116> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1173479 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/TODO TODO++
[14:56] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm noticing on #ubuntu-installer some discussion about a new autogenerated hostname in ubiquity.  Thought I should mention it in case we need to change something (no idea) - looks like they are going to add it back.
[14:57] <lex79> ScottK: ok, I've saw 0ubuntu1 instead of 2 :)
[14:58] <lex79> uhm maybe "I've seen" :)
[14:58]  * lex79 giggles
[15:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I expect it's the same as currently <username>-laptop or <username>-desktop
[15:01] <ScottK> Riddell: "the autogenerated hostname will be username-model where model is grabbed from dmidecode, if set, otherwise it's  username-desktop/laptop or username-ubuntu"
[15:01] <ScottK> BBL
[15:28] <smarter_> Riddell: apparently we don't have an installer for libdvdcss pops up when a dvd is read anymore, is that deliberate?
[15:31] <Riddell> we never did, it was illegal in the US
[15:33] <smarter_> I seem to be remember a script launched by kaffeine
[15:34] <Riddell> maybe briefly, but it was illegal in the US
[15:34] <Riddell> smarter_: however, that might be about to change
[15:34] <smarter_> really?
[15:35] <Riddell> smarter_: rumour has it the installer might install it
[15:35] <txwikinger> Riddell: I think it is not illegal anymoe
[15:35] <txwikinger> Riddell: I think it is not illegal anymore
[15:36] <smarter_> and how is that less illegal?
[15:36] <Riddell> maybe they asked a different lawyer
[15:36] <smarter_> haha
[15:36] <txwikinger> Riddell: No.. there was a judgment recently in a Federal District Court
[15:36] <txwikinger> That is better than asking a lawyer
[15:37]  * txwikinger hides his law credentials
[15:38] <Riddell> txwikinger: I'm impressed :)
[15:38] <smarter_> txwikinger: that's great, any link?
[15:39] <txwikinger> smarter_: I can search it
[15:39] <smarter_> that's the kind of stuff groklaw should cover
[15:39] <txwikinger> they do sometimes
[15:40] <ScottK> txwikinger: Actually I think it was the Library of Congress defining interoperability as a legitimate reason to work around DMCA restrictions.
[15:40] <ScottK> They did cover this one, I'm pretty sure.
[15:40] <ScottK> IANAL and all that.
[15:40] <txwikinger> ScottK: Yes they did something too, but there was also a judgment by a Federal District Court in the direction
[15:40] <ScottK> right.
[15:41] <txwikinger> bascially saying when you circumvent DRM for a legitimate purpose it is not illegal.. but I have not studied the judgment in all details
[15:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you get a chance to test the new mesa from sarvatt's PPA?
[15:41] <smarter_> http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2010072612452020 says that dvdcss is still illegal, thanks to the MPAA and friends
[15:42] <ScottK> I guess we'll be able to buy it via software center soon.
[15:43] <txwikinger> Didn't Canonical get some licence for dvdcss? or was that something else?
[15:43] <txwikinger> I mean for the underlying patent
[15:43] <apachelogger> smarter_: I think stalcup made that superb cloak
[15:44] <Riddell> txwikinger: your legal credentials are letting you down, it's not a patent
[15:44] <Riddell> ScottK: no drawing problems so far
[15:44] <apachelogger> dantti_work: in kubuntu we have a tallk called qt-language-selector which goes all crazy on the language packs and can find out if the user is missing some lang pack for a special app
[15:44] <Riddell> txwikinger: you can buy fluendo's DVD playing from canonical if you want
[15:44] <apachelogger> dantti_work: so say the user has evolution installed, then qt-language-selector will recommend the user to install the i18n stuff for evo
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please comment in the FFe bug with whatever lspci says you have.
[15:45] <apachelogger> dantti_work: glatzor somehow hooked up aptdaemon with that tool so that aptdaemon can immediately tell the user about that I suppose
[15:46] <txwikinger> Riddell: what do you mean, it is not a patent?
[15:46] <Riddell> txwikinger: there's nothing patented about CSS, it's restricted by a different and unrelated law
[15:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did I already ask when gdebi is going away?
[15:48] <smarter_> apachelogger: I thought it died poor and alone a long time ago
[15:48] <apachelogger> nope
[15:48] <apachelogger> still there
[15:48] <apachelogger> unmaintained probably, but there
[15:48] <apachelogger> not integrated, but there
[15:48] <txwikinger> Riddell: The issue in the US is the DMCA which is copyright law.. but potential patent issues have not been cleared
[15:48] <apachelogger> not using polkit, but there
[15:49] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot39.png
[15:49] <apachelogger> not localized, but there
[15:50] <apachelogger> apparently also still on duty in ubuntu http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/gdebi
[15:50] <Riddell> txwikinger: I've never heard of any parent issues with CSS, it's just an encryption, nothing novel.  there are patents with MPEG video used by DVDs
[15:50]  * apachelogger is wondering where the name comes from
[15:50] <txwikinger> Well.. several encryption methods are patented
[15:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: we still need gdebi because packagekit with aptcc can't install .deb files I believe
[15:51] <txwikinger> How far they could be enforced is another issue
[15:51] <txwikinger> but true.. the bigger issue is DRM
[15:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, I actually though that qapt foo should replace it
[15:51] <apachelogger> *thought
[15:51] <apachelogger> kpk would do too ^^
[15:52] <smarter_> isn't qapt-batch the default for everything?
[15:52] <txwikinger> Also.. mpeg is patented
[15:52] <apachelogger> smarter_: I doubt qapt-batch can install debs either
[15:52] <smarter_> oh right
[15:52] <Riddell> qapt-batch uses apt, it doesn't deal with .debs
[15:52] <apachelogger> besides, gdebi provides useful information that I would expect to have
[15:53] <smarter_> so, we need a libqdpkg? :p
[15:54] <apachelogger> :O
[15:54] <apachelogger> you did not just say that
[15:54] <apachelogger> apt-pkg is not scary
[15:54] <apachelogger> trust me
[15:54] <apachelogger> apt-pkg is a beauty
[15:55] <apachelogger> apt-pkg is to libdpkg what Qt to GTK+
[15:55] <smarter_> wow
[15:55] <apachelogger> besides, libdpkg is incomplete IIRC
[15:55] <Riddell> agateau: palapeli patch doesn't seem to help http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/palapeli.png
[15:55] <apachelogger> like you cannot stuff in a deb and get a list of content out of it
[15:55] <smarter_> apachelogger: so, how does gdebi works? system() calls?
[15:56] <apachelogger> you will have to implement that sort of stuff yourself (not that it would be too difficult)
[15:56] <Riddell> agateau: unless it needs your qt4 patch from today?
[15:56] <apachelogger> smarter_: dunno, maybe, more likely python-apt implements that stuff
[15:56] <agateau> Riddell: it does
[15:56] <apachelogger> python-apt is like the most important asset of canonical ^^
[15:57] <agateau> Riddell: I just noticed I introduced a bug in menu title in dbusmenu-qt 0.6.2 :/, title do not have borders anymore
[15:57] <apachelogger> "KCM Qt Graphics System included in the Softpedia Linux software database"
[15:57] <agateau> Riddell: will fix in 0.6.3
[15:57] <apachelogger> now do they think I care...
[15:57] <smarter_> apachelogger: you're right: return os.spawnlp(os.P_WAIT, "dpkg", "dpkg", "-i", self.filename)
[15:57] <smarter_> awesome :p
[15:57] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[15:57] <apachelogger> well, I imagine binary file reading in python is a bit of a PITA :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> but really, getting into the ar is not that difficult, doing things with data.tar.* is what I imagine tricky
[15:58] <apachelogger> since you'd essentially need to have a way to work with gzip, bzip2 and lzma
[15:59] <apachelogger> and I do not think there are QIODevices for tar.gz tar.bz2 and tar.lzma :S
[15:59] <smarter_> there's Ark
[15:59] <smarter_> but really, is the dpkg lib that bad?
[16:00] <apachelogger> smarter_: it really doesnt do much
[16:00] <txwikinger> Riddell: Here is the css licence http://www.dvdcca.org/css/
[16:01] <apachelogger> or maybe that changed meanwhile *shrug*
[16:02] <ScottK> txwikinger: I don't see how that's relevant to an unrelated implementation.
[16:03] <ScottK> It doesn't assert any patent rights that I saw and a separate implementation would not have any copyright issues.
[16:03] <Riddell> txwikinger: licence to do what?
[16:03] <ScottK> Exactly.
[16:04] <txwikinger> I agree, but hey are suing in court for it
[16:04] <txwikinger> I don't think they have won though
[16:04] <persia> Aren't there still jurisdictions where one can get in trouble for decoding something improperly?
[16:04] <txwikinger> persia: Yes Canada if Bill C-32 passes
[16:04] <persia> That's what I thought.  Thanks for specifics.
[16:05] <maco> and the US
[16:05] <persia> ScottK, The license would let one get around that sort of bill.
[16:05] <ScottK> persia: Perhaps, but interoperability is now a legitimate reason to bypasss content restrictions under dmca.
[16:05] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, drawing problems are back after using it for a wee bit
[16:05] <ScottK> maco: No so much.
[16:05] <persia> ScottK, That's true in one jurisdiction, yes.
[16:05] <maco> assuming "improperly" = "without paying for a license to specific non-decss decoders"
[16:05] <ScottK> maco: Not anymore.
[16:05] <persia> (or rather, ~58, but that's an academic distinction)
[16:06] <persia> maco, "improperly" usually means not unlicensed, but in collection of data not belonging to one.
[16:06] <maco> ScottK: see after the court ruling about "breaking for non-piracy reasons is ok" i said "oh oh yay that means we can use decss" and then a bunch of people slapped me because the judge didnt *explicitly* mention linux
[16:06] <ScottK> maco: Not what I'm talking about.
[16:06] <maco> oh? something new?
[16:07] <maco> or do you mean the original "interoperability" exception in dmca is being interpretted more broadly now?
[16:07] <ScottK> maco: Under dmca the Library of Congress has the responsibility to determine what purposes are acceptable to break content restrictions.  Interoperability is now one.
[16:07] <persia> Anyway, if the content providers really cared, they'd use any of the many better content control mechanisms that can be implemented on DVD players, most of which aren't supported by our software anyway (and interoperability would only force us to emulate more of the hardware devices, then supporting the content control systems)
[16:07] <ScottK> Yes.  LoC changed there rules.
[16:07] <maco> ah ok
[16:08] <maco> persia: like sony's arcos?
[16:08] <glatzor> apachelogger, dantti, I only added a plugin system to aptdaemon, which should have then be used by language selector. but the language-selector part has never been implemented
[16:08] <Riddell> agateau: so i shouldn't package dbusmenu-qt 0.6.2 ?
[16:09] <persia> maco, No.  Basically menu software that requires activation to proceed to cells with protected content.  That's just a wrapper layer.
[16:09] <agateau> Riddell: I think you should as it fixes memleaks and crashes
[16:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Would it be evil to run jockey-text -a during live session startup?
[16:09] <agateau> Riddell: I can provide a distro patch if you want
[16:09] <agateau> Riddell: or just do another release today
[16:09] <ScottK> Riddell: If I run that I have working wifi in the live sesion on my netbook.
[16:10] <Riddell> agateau: either is fine
[16:10] <Riddell> ScottK: is there much advantage to doing that at startup over during the installer?
[16:10] <maco> Riddell: "live session"
[16:10] <ScottK> Riddell: When people try it out they have networking.
[16:12] <smarter_> that reminds me, it's great that the installer can install things over the network, but not so great that when you start it directly without launching KDE you have no way to configure your network
[16:12] <smarter_> can't we launch the networkmanager applet in a separate window?
[16:13] <smarter_> with plasma-windowed
[16:13] <ScottK> smarter_: Ubuntu just yesterday added something like that for nm.
[16:15] <agateau> Riddell: one-line patch: http://gitorious.org/dbusmenu/dbusmenu-qt/commit/71851809ef7e109f02635877ead1dbac48a2e64e
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: you can haz kdepim beta 3 ( tho it says beta 1 in about dialog, its been fixed upstream )
[16:22] <shadeslayer> and if you have a 32 bit system
[16:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay :)
[16:28]  * shadeslayer hugs Riddell
[16:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer: final freeze is a week today, can you find out if there's anything from rekonq we should pick up before then?
[16:29] <Riddell> lex79: I did a fake sync on qtcreator, .orig files differ
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: actually adjam is prepping for a release
[16:29]  * shadeslayer thinks its on 11 or 12th
[16:29] <Riddell> oh lovely
[16:30] <shadeslayer> hes in #rekonq right now
[17:13] <Riddell> hi nixternal
[17:15] <smarter_> I've added two patches to kdegraphics: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegraphics/ubuntu is it worth uploading it to the archive or are we going to update to 4.5.2 soon anyway?
[17:17] <ScottK> smarter_: 4.5.2 will come too late, so patch away
[17:17] <smarter_> okay
[17:17] <lex79> it will be released on october 5th
[17:18] <smarter_> I just need to remember how to use dput :p
[17:18] <EagleScreen_> easy to remember
[17:18] <smarter_> easy to screw up and upload in the wrong repo too :p
[17:20] <ScottK> smarter_: Set the default dput target to something non-existent.  That helps
[17:20] <smarter_> will do
[17:21] <smarter_> hmm, what option should I use with debuild so that it doesn't reupload the orig?
[17:22] <lex79> debuild -S -sd
[17:22] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I have a 64bit system...
[17:23] <smarter_> lex79: thanks :)
[17:24] <nixternal> hi Riddell
[17:24] <Riddell> nixternal: docs freeze today, are you able to package up the changes DarkwingDuck did yesterday?
[17:25] <Riddell> Mamarok: amd64 package is done too now
[17:25] <nixternal> Riddell: I will take a look in a bit
[17:25] <Mamarok> Riddell: I don't see those here
[17:26] <Riddell> crimsun_: what does gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio do and do we want it in Kubuntu?
[17:40] <EagleScreen_> when I logout to KDM with Desktop Effects enabled, X server crash
[17:40] <EagleScreen_> intel graphics
[17:42] <ScottK> Known issue. Will be fixed soon.
[17:43] <EagleScreen_> nice to know
[17:50] <koso_> any idea what am I missing when kmix shows only one channel called "internal audio analog stereo"?  Few days ago, there were also other channels like mic ...
[17:55] <koso_> never mind :) killed kmix and restarted it, now it shows also capture device ...
[18:00] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I got some bugs kicked but, with the change to 4.5 The docs are going to be a mess till 11.04
[18:01] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I was talking to jjesse and right after UDS we are going to go through everything because of all of the shanges *sigh* they *will* be 100% for the 11.04 release.
[18:01] <DarkwingDuck> s/shanges/changes
[18:02] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: amd64 packages published, id say that you should have apt poking you to upgrade your system
[18:03] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: with my exit from US Military and moving I wasn't paying attention like I should have been.
[18:10] <rbelem> hey Riddell
[18:17] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm backporting some qtwebkit 2.1 patches to qtwebkit 2.0. that's the problem with plasma-mobile crash
[18:18]  * ScottK boggles a little bit at the installer slideshow listing WordPerfect before Microsoft Office on the list of stuff OOo works with.
[18:19] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: yeah, I noticed that too
[18:24] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: yes, now it does
[18:25] <Mamarok> shadeslayer, Riddell: thanks a lot :)
[18:31] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: You're a core dev right? Would you mind uploading https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdegraphics/ubuntu please? :)
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> smarter_: sure
[18:32] <smarter_> thanks!
[18:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It'll probably FTBFS due to archive skew on everything but i386 until qt4-x11 gets done.  No need to wait, but be prepared for some retries.
[19:09] <ari-tczew> Riddell: around?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> ari-tczew: i dont think so... hes off for the week
[19:10] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: he wrote on the channel ~2 hours ago
[19:11] <shadeslayer> yes.. but heres something from #rekonq : <Riddell> shadeslayer: actually I'm away for much of next week so don't wait for me to package it
[19:12] <ScottK> ari-tczew: What can we help you with?
[19:12] <ari-tczew> ScottK: my konversation doesn't work well. konversation sends information to indicator-applet, but baloon in tray doesn't go to red color, when someone highlight me.
[19:14] <ScottK> ari-tczew: You probably want to talk to agateau about that (also not here now unfortunately).  It does change color for me in Quassel, so I think the indicator works correctly.
[19:15] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I would ask Riddell because he said that I don't have active highlighting, but it's set on.
[19:15] <CIA-116> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>*<EMAIL_ADDRESS>* debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2
[19:16] <ScottK> OK.  Well agateau developed both the appindicator and the konversation patches.
[19:17] <shadeslayer> bye guys.. off to sleep
[19:31] <smarter_> JontheEchidna: how did you get the CIA-116 bot to publish your commits to bzr branches?
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> smarter_: install cia-clients, then do "bzr cia-project kubuntu" in your local bzr branch
[19:33] <smarter_> cool, thanks :)
[20:54] <nixternal>
[21:01] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[21:01] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[21:02] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: yay! hows life mate?
[21:02] <nixternal> boring and busy :)
[21:02] <nixternal> how about you?
[21:03] <ScottK> Heya nixternal.  Your powerpc server helped me figure out doko had broken the archive with a new gcc hitting on Friday afternoon for both powerpc and armel.  Thanks again.
[21:03] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I've been better...
[21:04] <nixternal> ScottK: no problem. I am starting to think this thing would be better off at your house :)
[21:04] <ScottK> nixternal: You'll need it to keep you warm come winter.
[21:05] <nixternal> i have an insanely large server now that does that for me
[21:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: no unemployment yet, finally caught up on school and I came back to the world of Kubuntu to find us 3 weeks behind :/
[21:07] <nixternal> yeah, I am sure my lack of motivation hasn't helped, but it could have...who knows. my motivation level is low enough that they used it to stop the flow of oil in the gulf
[21:07] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: lol well, I finally sat down and upgraded to 10.10 and found we have a major doc issue
[21:08] <nixternal> i wouldn't doubt it
[21:08] <DarkwingDuck> 4.5 introduced a *ton* of changes
[21:09] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I talked to jjesse last night. we are getting a plan to have a new set of docs *again* for 11.04 starting after UDS
[21:09] <DarkwingDuck> also, do the docs have to be packaged before going to the translators?
[21:10] <nixternal> you can upload them manually, but doing it via the package keeps everything sync'd nicely
[21:10]  * DarkwingDuck doesn't know how to package
[21:10] <DarkwingDuck> and the doc freeze is today
[21:11] <nixternal> I am not in the packaging spirit. i am not in the spirit to do much right now, but if i have to i guess i could try to get enough spirit to do it
[21:12] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[21:12] <DarkwingDuck> I'll learn brfore 11.04 I promise
[21:17] <neversfelde> I guess translators are probably not very motivated to translate the docs again, did the german translation of it ever make it to LTS?
[21:18] <neversfelde> I am just interested, I know it is very hard to maintain documentation
[21:20] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not sure... I have not checked.
[21:21] <Riddell> not according to https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+changelog
[21:22] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[21:22] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: sorry for dropping the ball on this.
[21:23] <Riddell> rbelem: hmm, so if it needs backports from qtwebkit 2.1 I wonder why it doesn't crash when I run plasma-mobile locally
[21:24] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck, nixternal: are we going to get a new package tonight?
[21:25] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm not a packager *yet* the problem with the docs this cycle is they are not up to date with KDE 4.5. :/
[21:26] <rbelem> Riddell, it is failing here using plasma-mobile --nodesktop
[21:32] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: what's the bzr command to checkout the docs?
[21:32] <Riddell> rbelem: still working here, I guess I'm just lucky :)
[21:32] <rbelem> eheh :-)
[21:33] <Riddell> rbelem: final freeze is a week today, so we need to get it working by then
[21:33] <Riddell> rbelem: is the samba stuff likely to be done by then?  I presume not
[21:35] <rbelem> Riddell, try remove some plasma-mobile related files from `find ~/.kde -name "*mobile*"`
[21:36] <rbelem> Riddell, yep, i'm working to get both done
[21:36] <Riddell> rbelem: now it crashes!
[21:36] <Riddell> I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing :)
[21:38] <rbelem> Riddell, i already have a simple patch to disable the webkit related stuff
[21:38] <rbelem> Riddell, http://paste.ubuntu.com/491220/
[21:40] <rbelem> Riddell, but I think that backport the qtwebkit2.1 qml patches to qtwebkit2.0 is the best option
[21:41] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: bzr branch lp:kubuntu-docs
[21:43] <nixternal> Riddell: getting a docs package done tonight will be a bit difficult for me. i am leaving in just over and hour for my bike ride then after that the team is meeting up for dinner and drinks afterwards
[21:44] <Riddell> let me look at it, how hard can it be?
[21:44] <rbelem> Riddell, qt4.7 was not released yet, maybe the final will be released with the qtwebkit2.1
[21:45] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck, nixternal: looks like everything is in the bzr branch?  I just update the changelog and it should be done no?
[21:46] <ScottK> Riddell: nixternal has some dark voodo to pass over it too, IIRC.
[21:47] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm not 100% sure the process... Like I told nixternal I'm going to learn it so another one of us knows. jjesse doesn't know either.
[21:48]  * DarkwingDuck is a XML PHP guy
[21:48]  * ScottK shield his eyes.  XML and PHP together.
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> HTML, CSS, MySQL, PHP, XML better? :P
[21:49] <ScottK> Well you used the "M" word too.  No.
[21:50]  * DarkwingDuck snickers
[21:50] <Riddell> yes that all builds and installs fine
[21:50] <Riddell> so just a few references to 10.04 and KDE 4.4 to change and we should be acceptable to upload
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: we'll have a good set of docs to reflect 4.5 for 11.04
[21:52] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: of course by then we'll be using 4.6 :)
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> but of course.
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh* I miss my desktop
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: then they will reflect 4.6
[21:56] <Riddell> ah, the .pot files need updating
[21:56] <Riddell> I wonder how to do that
[21:56] <Riddell> nixternal: any clues?
[21:56] <ScottK> I think that's the voodo.
[21:59] <smarter_> What happened to the plasma "welcome" applet? Currently, the kubuntu docs can be too easily overlooked
[22:00] <rbelem> Riddell, i just talked to the release manager of the qtwebkit2.1 and he said that qt4.7 will use qtwebkit2.0 :(
[22:00] <Riddell> rbelem: well yes, that's why you're doing the backporting isn't it?
[22:00] <ScottK> rbelem: That's what we were expecting.
[22:01] <rbelem> Riddell, yep
[22:01] <Riddell> rbelem: if the backporting turns out to be too much hassle we can just apply that patch
[22:01] <rbelem> ScottK, I was expecting with qtwebkit2.1 :'(
[22:02] <rbelem> Riddell, did you try that patch?
[22:03] <Riddell> rbelem: yes, it does stop the crash
[22:03] <rbelem> :-)
[22:06]  * rbelem is running to get the factory' free snack
[22:06] <rbelem> ;-D
[22:45] <Riddell> right, .pot files updated, this docs package is good to go
[22:52] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I really got to learn how to do that LOL
[22:55] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: turns out to be pretty easy
[22:55] <Riddell> xml2po index/C/index.xml > index/po/index.pot
[22:55] <Riddell> just like that
[22:55] <DarkwingDuck> Oh sheesh
[22:55] <Riddell> although I'm doing something different because it's missing out the headers
[22:55] <Riddell> so I'm adding those back in manually
[22:55] <Riddell> that's the gnome tool which seems to expant all the entities
[22:56] <Riddell> xml2pot is the KDE one which doesn't, but no point doing a big change like that for now
[22:58] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: :D
[23:00] <DarkwingDuck> bbl
[23:06] <Riddell> humph, kubuntu-docs failed to build
[23:11] <Riddell> apparle: did you get anywhere with the Qt SRU?
[23:11] <apparle> Riddell: no I wasted all day playing video games :P
[23:15] <Riddell> apparle: think of the SRU as a game, debdiff is the first stage, getting it into -updates is the final stage :)
[23:16] <apparle> Riddell: actually I was rather nostalgic.... finished whole Super Mario Bros. and Battle City on NES simulator... will look into it tomorrow.
[23:17] <apparle> Riddell: problem is hostel admin disconnect internet in morning (dunno why) so I can't work daytime :(
[23:19] <apparle> Riddell: how to compile qtwebkit... is anything different than "cmake .. & make" or "./configure & make"?
[23:19] <Riddell> apparle: it's the whole of qt that needs compiled
[23:19] <Riddell> and it's not cmake
[23:19] <apparle> qmake?
[23:19] <Riddell> you need to build the package with   debuild
[23:19] <Riddell> very complex qmake
[23:19] <apparle> ok... and then pbuilder?
[23:19] <Riddell> if you have a lucid pbuilder yes
[23:20] <Riddell> so add patch to debian/patches and edit debian/patches/series
[23:20] <Riddell> dch -i   to add changelog entry
[23:20] <Riddell> debuild -S  to make source package
[23:20] <Riddell> sudo pbuilder build foo.dsc  to build it
[23:22] <apparle> I understood that debuild process last time itself... :)
[23:22] <apparle> will I have to build any other package than libqt4-webkit?
[23:23] <Riddell> it'll build all the qt packagse
[23:23] <apparle> ahhhh.
[23:23] <apparle> then its a lot to build :D
[23:23] <apparle> and if I mess... then I could break my system
[23:23] <Riddell> yes, it'll take a few hours depending on the speed of your hard disk (and CPU)
[23:24] <Riddell> it won't break anything unless you install broken packages
[23:24] <Riddell> building in pbuilder certainly won't break anything
[23:24] <apparle> :D if I mess..... and I have lot of potential to mess. Anyways will attempt it tomorrow
[23:26] <apparle> Riddell: has rekonq moved to kwebkit in newer versions.. or is it still qtwebkit?
[23:27] <Riddell> still qtwebkit
[23:27] <Riddell> and kdewebkit is just qtwebkit with various non-rendering bits overloaded of course
[23:27] <Riddell> which is what rekonq does anyway
[23:28] <Riddell> ok second time lucky for kubuntu-docs
[23:28] <maco> hrmph
[23:29] <maco> anyone else's touchpad going into "moves but wont click" mode in mav?
[23:29] <maco> wont scroll either
[23:29] <Riddell> rbelem: I think I'll just upload plasma-mobile with that patch, may as well have it working so we can test it
[23:29] <Riddell> rbelem: we need to work out how to get KDM to default to the mobile login session
[23:30] <maco> sput's alt+arrow trick lets me navigate through channels, but when i alt+left/right to change to other chan/pm lists, but then i cant scroll through the items in whatever list it is if its not just the default channel list
[23:32] <maco> Riddell: is it possible to use the search & launch page of plasma-netbook without mouse?
[23:33] <maco> the search box does not have default keyboard focus and tabbing doesnt seem to do anything
[23:35] <Riddell> maco: I don't know
[23:41] <Riddell> rbelem: thinking about it, the KDEDIR is set correctly on the kubuntu-mobile image when I start it up so maybe it just needs plasma-desktop autostart removed
[23:45] <Riddell> rbelem: I've uploaded kubuntu-mobile-default-settings with plasma-desktop.desktop autostart file with hidden set to true to stop Plasma Desktop starting
[23:45] <Riddell> rbelem: so tomorrow we should have kubuntu-mobile images that load up into plasma-mobile!
[23:49] <rbelem> Riddell, cool! I did know how to do that. I notice once that plasma-desktop was loading too, but after setting plasma-mobile --fullscreen I thought  it was overriding the plasma-desktop
[23:52] <rbelem> Riddell, and how to set the plasma-mobile as default session in kdm?
[23:53] <Riddell> rbelem: it is doing that, $KDEDIRS gets set correctly, so somehow it happens :)
[23:54] <rbelem> ah! cool! :-)


[12:31] <ubone> how to fix this 403 https://dpaste.org/TQdE it's not nginx 403 btw
[12:41] <ubone> nvm


[00:17] <thumper> does anyone have familiarity with windows ?
[00:17] <thumper> I'm trying to get our windows CI machine to have go installed
[00:17] <thumper> as for some reason it seems to have lost it
[00:17] <thumper> I'm currently struggling with two things:
[00:18] <thumper> when I ssh from goodra the windows shell doesn't scroll, so after a page of output it just overwrites the last line
[00:18] <thumper> I managed to download the go 1.11.12 msi
[00:18] <thumper> but I can't seem to get it to install...
[00:25] <hpidcock> thumper: maybe this? https://powershellexplained.com/2016-10-21-powershell-installing-msi-files/
[00:25] <thumper> in my frustration I rebooted the machine
[00:25] <thumper> I hope
[00:27] <thumper> hpidcock: let me try that...
[00:31] <thumper> hmm... nope, that didn't seem to help
[00:31] <thumper> man I hate windows
[00:32]  * thumper emails crew
[00:46] <hpidcock> thumper: were you trying to fix the RunUnittests-win2012 job?
[00:47] <thumper> yep
[00:47] <thumper> and failing
[00:47] <hpidcock> ok I'll check it out this morning
[00:49] <thumper> thanks hpidcock
[02:59] <thumper> hpidcock: thanks for fixing the go part. curious, what did you need to do?
[03:00] <thumper> I notice that mongo doesn't appear to be installed as all the tests failed
[03:00] <hpidcock> I just fixed mongo
[03:00] <thumper> but they ended up looking for /usr/local/bin/mongo
[03:00] <thumper> ah sweet
[03:00] <thumper> so what was the go problem?
[03:00] <thumper> was it actually installed and somehow out of the path?
[03:01] <hpidcock> thumper: for some reason it never installed, I had to use that guys powershell script to install it
[03:01] <hpidcock> probably would have been easier in the end to use RDP to do it via the gui
[03:02] <hpidcock> also to work around the ssh issue I did `mode con lines=9999` to fool the windows conhost.exe thinking the window height is 9999
[03:03] <wallyworld> thumper: trivial https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10505
[03:03] <hpidcock> also had to fix up all the env vars, they were wrong and weird
[03:05] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: timClicks: how goes the vsphere cloud-init fun and games?
[03:05] <thumper> wallyworld: looking
[03:06] <timClicks> have figured out how to customise the new instances' hostnames
[03:06] <timClicks> testing to see if that's sufficient
[03:07] <wallyworld> timClicks: ok, good to unblock if it works, but it would be preferred to follow up with a bespoke cloud init per instance
[03:08] <thumper> wallyworld: thanks, lgtm
[03:08] <wallyworld> thumper: the race wasn't even in test code so it seems it could occur in production
[03:08]  * thumper nods
[03:08] <wallyworld> not sure of the effect etc
[03:09] <thumper> wallyworld: to be honest, unlikely to be a big problem
[03:09] <thumper> however, good catch
[03:09] <wallyworld> we'll need to be careful adding new entities if we also need to use a hashcache foro those
[03:09] <thumper> wallyworld, timClicks: how can the hostname impact the delivery of the full cloud init user data?
[03:10] <timClicks> thumper: the import process and the vm cloning process have different args
[03:10] <wallyworld> thumper: it's more so that all cloned instances had the same hostname
[03:10] <wallyworld> because cloud init data was set once only in the template and cloned
[03:11] <thumper> hmm..
[03:11] <thumper> ok
[03:11] <wallyworld> so setting hostname properly is necessary but not sufficient
[03:11] <wallyworld> still need to sort out cloud init properly
[03:11] <wallyworld> but it may unblock
[03:11] <wallyworld> looking for quick win to start with
[03:12] <wallyworld> small steps, just fix one thing that is feasible
[03:13] <wallyworld> thumper: i *think* andrew's approach also had the cloud init issue (not 100%) but the hostname was not an issue - that was introduced by the alternative workflow
[03:20] <wallyworld> thumper: do we really care about maas 1.9 now that trusty is esm? perhaps we can remove that ci test. we don't really have the means to properly run it anyway IIANM
[03:21] <thumper> No... I don't think we care about maas 1.9 any more
[03:21] <wallyworld> yay, one less red dot
[03:21] <thumper> we know that juju 2.3 and 2.4 work fine and can be a jump point if necessary
[03:21] <wallyworld> yup
[03:22] <thumper> we should remove the 1.9 code paths from juju for 3.0
[03:22] <wallyworld> yep, on the metaphorical list
[04:05] <babbageclunk> hey timClicks, how's it going?
[04:17] <timClicks> babbageclunk: hey sorry, was outside
[04:17] <babbageclunk> timClicks: no worries/same
[05:53] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: approved
[05:53] <wallyworld> awesome ty
[06:58] <wallyworld> kelvinliu: trivial forward port from 2.6 if you are around
[06:58] <wallyworld> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10507
[06:59] <kelvinliu> yep looking
[07:01] <kelvinliu> wallyworld: done! thanks!
[07:01] <wallyworld> ty


[01:09] <Logan_> dannf: when you merge from Debian, you should be retaining all the other changelog entries that were specific to Ubuntu
[01:10] <Logan_> how are you performing this merge?
[01:40] <dannf> Logan_: ack. i'm taking a debdiff between the debian/ubuntu versions and rebasing it on top of the newer debian version
[01:40] <Logan_> ah, have you tried using bzr or grab-merge to merge packages?
[01:42] <dannf> Logan_: i've used bzr in the past, when an existing non-udd branch is there, i haven't used grab-merge before
[01:43]  * dannf hadn't read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging yet - looks like it's covered there, will take a look when i get back at it
[01:44] <dannf> thx - just needed to know what to google for apparently :)
[01:49] <Logan_> dannf: you got it :)
[02:30] <Logan_> tjaalton: can we sync freeipa from unstable?
[04:07] <ScottK> pitti: You appear to be TIL for lvm2.  It would be nice to get it merged from Debian since I see at least one package depwaiting for the newer version.
[04:33] <wgrant> sa
[04:33] <wgrant> bah
[04:34] <wgrant> pitti: I'll work out how to fit that into the schedule on Monday.
[08:04] <tjaalton> Logan_: no
[08:04] <tjaalton> Logan_: it needs some work because we don't use systemd yet
[08:04] <tjaalton> and I haven't had time to test it
[08:12] <Logan_> tjaalton: kk
[08:19] <tjaalton> thanks for asking btw ;)
[11:00] <brainwash> xnox: hey, I remember that you did some debugging on bug 1375893
[11:00] <brainwash> but you did not add a comment to the report
[11:03] <brainwash> so, we still do not know what's exactly broken. one workaround for this problem is to use feh (like mentioned by bluesabre in the comments)
[12:31] <bluesabre> brainwash: we know what is broken... xfdesktop dies for some reason
[12:38] <brainwash> bluesabre: ok, the report does not reflect the current bug status/progress
[12:38] <bluesabre> I'll add a comment, though we are no closer to fixing it
[12:40] <brainwash> bluesabre: wouldn't it be easier to use a simple app like feh to do the job?
[12:40] <brainwash> there is no need to load the "bloated" xfdesktop I think
[12:41] <bluesabre> yeah, it'd be easier, but it would be better to fix xfdesktop
[12:41] <brainwash> true, the crash needs to be fixed
[12:42] <bluesabre> will try to get to the bottom of it this cycle


[06:15] <iHaku> I don't mean to be a bother but what are the plans for the next Edubuntu?  I cannot seem to find a roadmap for Oneiric.
[13:48] <highvoltage> good morning
[13:49] <alkisg> good morning
[13:49] <highvoltage> iHaku: hey there. we have a roadmap page that we need to update. I usually do it but I'm way behind on Edubuntu stuff atm
[13:50] <highvoltage> iHaku: it should be up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap replacing the natty one by the end of the week
[13:51] <highvoltage> iHaku: otherwise all the information is on blueprints.launchpad.net, but I'm not sure how easy it is to find edubuntu-specific information
[13:54] <alkisg> highvoltage: Last week's ubuntu-meeting made me think... I'm an edubuntu member => indirect ubuntu member. The correct thing would be for me to also apply for direct ubuntu membership, right?
[13:58] <highvoltage> alkisg: if you're an edubuntu member, then you're a full ubuntu member in every sense of the word
[13:58] <alkisg> So no need to file an application? OK, thanks :)
[13:58] <highvoltage> alkisg: nope, check your LP page: https://launchpad.net/~alkisg
[13:59] <highvoltage> alkisg: the last icon on the membership icons shows that you're already in the ubuntu-members group as well
[13:59] <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers => I'm not in the list there
[13:59] <alkisg> You are an indirect member of this team:
[13:59] <alkisg>             Alkis Georgopoulos                            →               Edubuntu Members                                         →               Ubuntu Members
[13:59] <alkisg> But sure I understand that I'm an indirect member
[14:00] <highvoltage> alkisg: I think you can request to be added there if you want to, but you don't need to apply for membership again
[14:00] <alkisg> Ah, nice, that sounds more logical
[14:01] <alkisg> Thanks highvoltage
[14:05] <highvoltage> alkisg: you're welcome. not that I did anything :)
[14:06] <alkisg> You provided information, it's that what IRC is for? :D
[14:09] <alkisg> Heh, some of those are quite fun: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+mugshots
[14:17] <iHaku> highvoltage: Thank you for the info.
[14:45] <iHaku> I might not be able to package programs or anything like that, not on debian based computers anyway.  I would like to help the project.  Is there anything, on top of testing, which I could do?
[15:24] <highvoltage> iHaku: no problem, we need people on pretty much anything. maintaining / writing documentation is always a big one that we need people for.
[15:25] <highvoltage> iHaku: besides that there's always support on IRC / forums / lists / askubuntu.com / etc that needs attention
[15:25] <highvoltage> iHaku: heck, even maintaining a list of things that new contributors could do would be *extremely* helpful :)
[15:29] <iHaku> I could certainly try my hand at documentation.
[15:36] <highvoltage> iHaku: hanging out in #edubuntu is also great. we often encounter things that we just don't have time to do, if you have time and feel up to it you could take it then. it's up to you :)
[16:34] <GilAz> Hi there. I need help with using a bash command. Anyone care to help?
[18:42] <LaserJock> does dinda ever hang out here?
[18:49] <highvoltage> she used to when she was working for Canonical
[18:58] <LaserJock> highvoltage: she's not anymore?
[18:59] <LaserJock> that wasn't long
[19:07] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm not 100% sure she's left already but it's been a few months since she said she's leaving, and I haven't seen her here since
[19:07] <LaserJock> huh
[19:09] <highvoltage> LaserJock: am I not making any sense?
[19:10] <LaserJock> no, you are
[19:10] <LaserJock> I'm just surprised
[19:11] <LaserJock> she was nice, I think it's a loss for education within Canonical
[19:17] <highvoltage> yep
[19:19] <stgraber> highvoltage: she's no longer on directory.canonical.com