[00:35] <shikibu> what should happen if I am looking at my own url (https://launchpad.net/~shikibu), and I click "Code"? what actually does happen is a timeout error
[00:37] <wgrant> shikibu: Try https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shikibu; that's more likely to work at the moment.
[00:37] <wgrant> There's a bug causing timeouts on some branch listings.
[00:37] <shikibu> got it. thanks
[01:56] <poolie> thumper, can you help https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/80568
[01:56] <thumper> poolie: I had already opened it when I say you change the project
[01:56] <poolie> oh cool, thanks
[02:33] <Hellow> Hello, I require the assistance of a Launchpad admin. Any here?
[02:34] <wgrant> Hellow: You might not actually need an admin. Ask away, and people will help or direct you to where you must go.
[02:36] <Hellow> wgrant: The leader of the Ubuntu Forums Unanswered Posts Team has gone MIA, and since we have appointed two new leaders, myself being one. We need a LP admin to set the two new leaders as administrators on the relevant Launchpad team.
[02:36] <wgrant> Hellow: You should ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and an admin will sort it out.
[09:26] <wgrant> Are old launchpad-users archives anywhere? The old archives were never imported into the new list, and the old archive URL just redirects to the new on.
[09:51] <bigjools> wgrant: that's a question for kfogel I guess
[09:52] <kamalnandan> I was wondering what this launchpad ppa does..
[09:52] <kamalnandan> i am new to packaging and i was directed to this website..but i find it really intriguing..
[09:52] <bigjools> kamalnandan: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[09:54] <bigjools> mrevell: talking of which, that page is wrong about subsequent PPA quotas
[09:54] <mrevell> bigjools: Ah, is it?
[09:54] <wgrant> I noticed that last week, but thought it might have been intentional.
[09:55] <bigjools> mrevell: they're all 1Bg
[09:55] <bigjools> er 1Gb
[09:55] <kamalnandan> bigjools: thanks for response..but that page I have already been visiting..but it talks of "signing the Ubuntu code of conduct. "..
[09:56] <mrevell> bigjools: Ah, tis news to me sir. :)
[09:56] <bigjools> kamalnandan: yes, it requires you to digitally sign the Code of Conduct, which is recorded in Launchpad, before you're permitted to use PPAs
[09:57] <bigjools> it just affirms that you're a nice guy and you won't do anything stupid
[09:57] <kamalnandan> I tried doing that..but i am taken to this page:
[09:57] <kamalnandan> https://launchpad.net/~kamal-nandan/+editpgpkeys
[09:57] <bigjools> kamalnandan: yes, you need to have a gpg registered in Launchpad
[09:57] <bigjools> gpg key
[09:57] <kamalnandan> i need to enter some fingerprint there..
[09:58] <kamalnandan> how do i get gpg key?
[09:58] <kamalnandan> when i type this command at the terminal:
[09:58] <kamalnandan> gpg --fingerprint
[09:59] <kamalnandan> i dont get any response..
[09:59] <bigjools> you have to generate a key locally, and upload it to the ubuntu keyserver
[09:59] <kamalnandan> how do we generate that key locally?
[10:00] <wgrant> kamalnandan: See the 'Learn more about OpenPGP keys' link on that page.
[10:01] <kamalnandan> bigjools and wgrant, thanks for guidance..I will go thru that 'Learn more about OpenPGP keys' page ..:-)
[10:03] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: mrevell's howtos are 1st clas IMO.
[10:03] <rowinggolfer> what exactly don't you get?
[10:03] <mrevell> rowinggolfer: Oh thanks man.
[10:04] <mrevell> Perhaps we should have a screencast on generating and adding a PGP key
[10:04] <popey> \o/ screencast highlight
[10:04] <wgrant> mrevell: OTOH I think it's a reasonable barrier.
[10:05] <mrevell> popey: hah
[10:05] <bigjools> mrevell: +1
[10:05] <mrevell> wgrant: Maybe for PPA-related stuff but not for CoCs.
[10:06] <wgrant> mrevell: True.
[10:06] <mrevell> wgrant: Unless I misunderstand you.
[10:06]  * wgrant recalls helping non-technical people through signing the CoC...
[10:06] <wgrant> So yes, screencast!
[10:07] <mrevell> heh
[10:07] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: what I didn't get about PPAs was the "building" part.
[10:07]  * mrevell dons his robe and screencast hat
[10:07] <rowinggolfer> I had thought that you made the debs on your own machine......
[10:07] <rowinggolfer> the VM stuff behind the scenes is really cool
[10:08] <bigjools> mrevell: robe? are you playing quidditch?
[10:08] <mrevell> bigjools: Just a reference to the classic bash.org quote -- http://www.bash.org/?104383
[10:09] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: thanks for response...but how do you know if I am building something, and I doing that on Ubuntu VM..
[10:10] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: here's the deal... locally (ie. on your machine, be it i386, x64 or lpia......)
[10:10] <rowinggolfer> you build a SOURCE package
[10:10] <rowinggolfer> that is sent to launchpad PPA (using dput)
[10:11] <rowinggolfer> and the launchpad builds a deb for the 3 architectures.
[10:12] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: but how do you know if I am using some VM...:-)..
[10:12] <kamalnandan> and BTW, how do i access this "mrevell's howtos"
[10:12] <mrevell> kamalnandan: There are some help guides here: https://help.launchpad.net
[10:13] <mrevell> kamalnandan: and there are some pop-up help links in the Launchpad web UI itself
[10:13] <kamalnandan> mrevell: thanks for the link...
[10:13] <mrevell> pleasure
[10:16] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: I'm sorry I mentioned the VMs now... I've confused you.
[10:16] <rowinggolfer> that's all behind the scenes.
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> launchpad build method creates a "virgin" ubuntu machine
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> and builds your deb on that
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> that ensures dependency checking etc.....
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> is non-polluted
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> I may be wrong about this... I'm a newbie to this too.
[10:18] <rowinggolfer> Launchpad is a HUGE TOOL that is difficult to get one's head around.
[10:18] <rowinggolfer> difficult to swallow.... so to speak
[10:18] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: infact I have been working on ubuntu packaging for which I was asked to use launchpad(initially I was trying to do that on my own ubuntu machine that is installed over my VMWare)..and I was surprised how you know so many things abt me...:-)
[10:18]  * rowinggolfer getting close to the boundaries of allowable euphenism.
[10:21] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: infact this is the 1st time i have logged in into this lauchpad IRC..and you mentioned all the keywords like building, deb, VM etc. that was related to my work..and that left me surprised..though you wrere talking of some other VM(i.e. Virgin machine)..
[10:23] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: sorry for my misunderstanding and if it offended you..
[10:23] <popey> mrevell: never seen that bash quote, it's awesome
[10:23] <garyvdm> Hi - I'm trying to dput to a launchpad ppa. It stops on the .orig.tar.gz: on 467k/468k. I left it for 5 min, but it did not continue. Here is pastebin of my console: http://paste.ubuntu.com/256786/
[10:23] <garyvdm> Is there any thing I can try to get it to go?
[10:24] <mrevell> popey: Seriously? I thought it was majorly famous, I love it :)
[10:24] <noodles775> garyvdm: I replied in #ubuntu-motu
[10:25]  * wgrant had seen that quote years ago.
[10:26] <bigjools> mrevell: haha, yes, that's old but awesome
[10:27] <popey> mrevell: as do I now :)
[10:27] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: not offended in the slightest
[10:29] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: delighted you thought I was cracking into your system though....
[10:29] <rowinggolfer> that is SO beyond my sklillset
[10:29] <bigjools> mrevell: more here http://www.mlcsmith.com/humor/cybersex/
[10:29] <mrevell> cheers bigjools :)
[10:30] <bigjools> mrevell: my pleasure
[10:30] <bigjools> or maybe yours
[10:45] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: thanks...:-)
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> #ubuntu-motu
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> damn
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> one day, I'll get a clue.
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> question.
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> this room is aimed at which demographic?
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> launchpad is such a big toolset
[11:07] <wgrant> Launchpad users in general.
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> is this the place for PPA discussion?
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> or the bug tracking stuff?
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> or both.
[11:07] <wgrant> PPAs, yes. Packaging in general belongs in #ubuntu-motu.
[11:08] <intellectronica> rowinggolfer: all of the above
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> what does motu stand for?
[11:08] <wgrant> Discussion about the bug tracker is here; discussion about bugs in particular belongs in the project's channels.
[11:08] <intellectronica> masters of the universe
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> lol.
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> seriously?
[11:08] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:08] <intellectronica> rowinggolfer: funny, but that wasn't a joke
[11:08] <wgrant> A term dating back to 2004, and about to die :(
[11:09] <intellectronica> (universe being the general debian-derived repository managed by said masters)
[11:09] <rowinggolfer> ah... ok.
[11:10] <rowinggolfer> I was thinking that the shuttleworth was the master of the universe...
[11:10] <rowinggolfer> with jono and popey as his evil henchmen.
[11:17] <mrevell> deryck: pingalingading
[11:18] <deryck> hi mrevell
[11:18] <deryck> pongalongadingdong
[11:18] <mrevell> deryck:  :)
[11:40] <intellectronica> anyone else getting replies from boxbe.com for email sent to the users list?
[11:41] <wgrant> intellectronica: Yes. It's been like that for months.
[11:41] <intellectronica> really? first time for me. always from the same user?
[11:41] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:42] <intellectronica> i think we should ask him to stop. i realise this is supposed to be some kind of outsourced authentication service, but i don't think it's acceptable nevertheless
[11:43] <wgrant> Agreed.
[11:44] <gmb> intellectronica, wgrant: I just saw that too. +1 for asking him to stop.
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> I'm having trouble connecting to people.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> 1st time I've tried
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeopleUbuntuCom
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> I'm using filezilla.
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> can anyone help?
[12:54] <rowinggolfer> is my secret key the password?
[12:55] <rowinggolfer> surely not.
[12:56] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: It's your SSH key.
[12:56] <rowinggolfer> the public one?
[12:56] <wgrant> I just use Nautilus.
[12:56] <rowinggolfer> cool
[12:57] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: You need the private part.
[12:57] <wgrant> But that won't help you.
[12:57] <geser> wgrant: does it work for you?
[12:57] <wgrant> You're not an Ubuntu Member.
[12:57] <wgrant> geser: I haven't tried.
[12:57]  * wgrant tries.
[12:58] <rowinggolfer> wgrant: am I not?
[12:58] <geser> wgrant: it doesn't work for me
[12:58] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: Launchpad doesn't think you are...
[12:58] <rowinggolfer> damn.
[12:59] <rowinggolfer> who do I need to sleep with?
[12:59] <wgrant> geser: Works fine for me.
[12:59] <geser> hmm
[13:00] <rowinggolfer> Member since:  2007-07-12
[13:00] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: That's your Launchpad account.
[13:00] <wgrant> Little to do with Ubuntu Membership.
[13:00] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[13:00] <rowinggolfer> understood, thanks
[13:00] <wgrant> geser: What goes wrong when you try?
[13:03] <geser> wgrant: sftp -v<EMAIL_ADDRESS>shows that it offers the public key but then "Permission denied (publickey)."
[13:03] <geser> wgrant: I wonder if it's the newline in https://edge.launchpad.net/~geser/+sshkeys
[13:04] <geser> but pulling from bzr over bzr+ssh works. it does use the same ssh key stored in LP, right?
[13:05] <wgrant> geser: It does.
[13:05] <wgrant> geser: But LP is not OpenSSH; people.u.c is.
[13:05] <wgrant> And OpenSSH seems picky about this.
[13:06] <geser> wgrant: what does bzr+ssh://... use when I do a bzr pull? doesn't it use OpenSSH??
[13:07] <wgrant> geser: The server is not OpenSSH, no.
[13:07] <wgrant> It's a derivative of Twisted Conch.
[13:07] <geser> oh, I trying fixing the ssh key stored on LP
[13:07] <wgrant> I tested here, and OpenSSH dislikes newlines inside keys.
[13:09] <geser> I guess LP should warn about the newline when adding a SSH key
[13:10] <wgrant> Possibly.
[13:11]  * geser files a bug
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> On a PPA build I'm getting some "Depends on xxx but it is not going to be installed". The issue seems to be that the package being build (kdenlive) has a build-depends on libmlt-dev which also has a build-depends on libmlt1. The MLT packages have already been built and are in the PPA archive. I'm not quite sure what the cause or solution is and searching hasn't helped. Anyone know the answer?
[14:51] <bigjools> IntuitiveNipple: have you tried asking in #ubuntu-motu?
[14:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought about it but as this seems to be a PPA issue (never had this problem before) I thought it more applicable to launchpad
[14:53] <bigjools> IntuitiveNipple: the PPA builders just rely on apt to install dependencies
[14:55] <IntuitiveNipple> My packages are recently refreshed git/svn snapshots of packages in another PPA. I looked at the build logs for the originals and they don't have the same problem, yet the debian/control files are the same, which is why I thought it was something to do with the buildd getting confused.
[14:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll try some more digging
[14:55] <bigjools> that's odd indeed
[14:56] <bigjools> it might be that some other dependencies changed in the meantime
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... I only came here after doing a lot of checking and reading the PPA help pages
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> which recommends this channel or email if problems persist :D
[14:56] <bigjools> we aim to please :)
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> I can build them successfully locally too, which is even odder
[14:57] <bigjools> with pbuilder?
[14:58] <IntuitiveNipple> yes
[14:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll go through the build logs again comparing and see if I missed something
[14:59] <IntuitiveNipple> The main issue seems to be that dependencies of dependencies aren't being added to the installation list
[15:31] <geser> IntuitiveNipple: try adding your PPA and try installing the mentioned package from it (simulate is enough)
[15:34] <geser> "Depends on XXX but it is not going to be installed" happens because of a problem somewhere down the dependency chain (uninstallable package or conflicts) and you need to figure out yourself what's the problem exactly is
[16:57] <mpt> Now that +filebug-advanced is gone, what's the best way of getting around timeouts during duplicate searching?
[16:58] <exarkun> bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exarkun/pyopenssl/pkcs12_mod_and_export3/changes: Unable to handle http code 502: Bad Gateway
[16:58] <mpt> Last time I accidentally avoided a timeout by reporting the bug against "blueprint", which I guess has few bug reports
[16:58] <mpt> but I probably shouldn't do that as a habit :-)
[17:05] <exarkun> I tried to log in to report the 502 error
[17:05] <exarkun> And I got an oops
[17:05] <exarkun> OOPS-1329H1775
[17:05] <exarkun> Something going on?  Should I stop trying to use launchpad for a while?
[17:13] <intellectronica> mpt: there isn't, really, and i sense that this is fast becoming a serious problem for bigger projects
[17:13] <intellectronica> gmb: ^^^
[17:15] <gmb> intellectronica: It's not hard to put it back if we need to. OTOH, once I've got this Bugzilla stuff out of the way I can get the async version working properly.
[17:17] <intellectronica> gmb: yeah, i guess it makes sense to wait for this
[17:17] <mdz> I'm seeing several timeouts in a row on edge
[17:17] <mdz> while trying to report a bug
[17:18] <mdz> I see two different queries, one a VaridPersonCache query and the other looks like the full text search for similar bugs
[17:18] <gmb> mdz: One work around is to use a short string for the inital title and then expand it once the dupe search is done.
[17:19] <gmb> mdz: Part of the problem is that hte more complex the title, the harder the FTI search.
[17:19] <gmb> mdz: Though doing that increases the chances of duplicates.
[17:39] <mdz> gmb: it happens even with 'xxx'
[17:39] <gmb> mdz: What are you trying to file the bug on?
[17:39] <mdz> gmb: linux
[17:39]  * gmb tries
[17:40] <gmb> mdz: Can you give me a URL? I can't reproduce it (yet)
[18:04] <mtaylor> merge requests: the workflow of resubmit, request review, add comment all by hand seems a bit excessive... if I'm resubmitting, perhaps an option to add a comment at that point in time and perhaps pre-populate "request review" with the person that reviewed before?
[18:13] <mdz> gmb: bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug/@hash@
[18:14] <mdz> gmb: it's a crash report
[18:14] <mdz> gmb: it's for the kernel, so it has a huge attachment
[18:21] <gmb> mdz: Hmm, I wonder if that's part of the problem. I can't get it to fail on its own.
[18:22]  * gmb tries to think of a workaround
[18:22] <gmb> mdz: Can you give me an OOPS ID?
[18:23] <mdz> gmb: OOPS-1329ED193
[18:24] <mdz> gmb: OOPS-1329ED197
[18:24] <mdz> gmb: bhey, it worked!
[18:25] <gmb> mdz: Did you just keep your finger down on F5? ;)
[18:25] <mdz> gmb: sort of ;-)
[18:25] <gmb> Heh.
[18:25] <gmb> mdz: Okay, let me see if I can find an appropriate bug for this, but it's obviously something we need to solve in pretty short order.
[18:26] <gmb> mdz: I think this is bug 357907
[18:26] <mdz> gmb: the kernel crash reporting is new, so we won't be getting too many, but it would be very valuable to have it working
[18:27] <mdz> gmb: agreed, that looks like it
[18:27] <gmb> mdz: Okay. I'll mark it high and see if we can take a look at it soonish (though deryck's your man to butter up for getting bugs engineers assigned to things now ;))
[18:27]  * gmb wonders how it's stayed un-triaged for so long.
[18:27]  * deryck looks at scrollback
[18:28] <mdz> deryck: pleased to make your acquaintance ;-)
[18:29] <deryck> hi mdz :)
[18:36] <NCommander> Any Soyuz gurus around who can explain http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30644644/upload_1175233_log.txt ?
[18:39]  * bigjools looks
[18:40] <bigjools> NCommander: the package is building a binary version that already existing
[18:40] <bigjools> existed*
[18:42] <NCommander> bigjools, *groan*
[18:42] <bigjools> NCommander: sorry man :)
[18:43] <bigjools> barry: what does class="registry-stat" do?
[18:43] <NCommander> bigjools, I'm kinda curious on how that happened though
[18:43] <bigjools> ECHAN
[18:43] <bigjools> NCommander: *usually* when a binary packages moves between source packages
[18:46] <NCommander> bigjools, its a new package, it just went through NEW
[18:47] <NCommander> bigjools, found the cause: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-mvl-dove/<IP_ADDRESS>.1 (how can a package be both superseeded by itself?!)
[18:48] <bigjools> NCommander: I am racking my brains trying to remember why this happens
[18:48] <bigjools> NCommander: ah I see
[18:48] <bigjools> NCommander: it was overridden while building
[18:48] <bigjools> can't do that
[18:48] <NCommander> bigjools, what happened and how do we prevent it from happening again, and how do we fix ti :-)
[18:48] <NCommander> overridden?
[18:49] <bigjools> universe->main
[18:49] <NCommander> *headthunks*
[18:49] <NCommander> Its not supposed to be in main
[18:49] <NCommander> bigjools, can we demote it and then retry?
[18:49] <bigjools> you need to get an archive admin to fix that
[18:49] <bigjools> yeah, then retry the build
[18:50] <bigjools> IIRC
[18:50] <NCommander> bigjools, LP *really* needs to handle that better :-/
[18:51] <bigjools> no dount
[18:51] <bigjools> doubt
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, *groan* FTBFS again
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, er, Failed to Upload
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, duplicated ancestory
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, now what?
[19:07] <bigjools> NCommander: ah sorry, brain fart, version bump is the easiest thing to do right now
[19:07] <bigjools> but get the component overrides fixed first
[19:08] <NCommander> bigjools, got it fixed, the source package is set for universe. Once it builds and uploads, I'll get it bumped to main
[19:13] <bigjools> NCommander: ok, sorry for the trouble
[19:36] <fta> i like the new design of the build pages but for my packages, it's too wide: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1175114
[19:36] <beuno> fta, interesting
[19:37] <beuno> fta, thanks for the feedback, I'll file a bug about long names breaking things
[19:37] <beuno> fta, I'm guessing that if we shortened them, you wouldn't be too happy, right?
[19:37] <beuno> as in, truncated
[19:38] <fta> right
[19:38] <beuno> even with a tooltip?
[19:39] <beuno> or, truncated them in the middle, like: chromium-browser-4...tu1~ucd1~intrepid
[19:41] <maxb> eww, that would really be not useful
[19:41] <beuno> that's what I thought
[19:41] <beuno> so
[19:41] <beuno> help me out here
[19:41] <beuno> how can we solve this?
[19:41]  * beuno puts on his brainstorm hat and looks at maxb and fta
[19:43] <maxb> Well, "Files resulting from this build" and "Binary packages produced by this build" have a lot of redundancy between them
[19:43] <maxb> I would opt for combining the two concepts such that the names can use the entire page width
[19:44]  * beuno stares at bigjools
[19:45] <beuno> maxb, one of the reasons they are like that, is because at one point, the one on the left is "building"
[19:59]  * bigjools repels beuno's stare with his batshield
[20:00] <bigjools> the sprites are borked on that page too
[20:00] <beuno> yeah
[20:01] <beuno> bigjools, all you have to do is remove the class="downlaod" from the utl
[20:01] <beuno> er
[20:01] <beuno> ul
[20:01] <beuno> and it's fixed
[20:01] <bigjools> what will that do, exactly?
[20:02] <beuno> bigjools, not have a sprite that spans the whole list
[20:02] <beuno> since it's on the ul, which is multiline
[20:02] <beuno> it exposes all the icons in the sprite
[20:03] <bigjools> ah
[20:03] <bigjools> put it on the <a> instead maybe
[20:03] <beuno> well
[20:04] <beuno> yes
[20:04] <beuno> and drop the img
[20:04] <beuno> will save one http hit  :)
[20:04] <bigjools> I'm all for that
[21:02] <kiko> siretart, is keepassx's bug tracker really SF?
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> PPA fails to build a karmic LPIA package because of build-depends failures (on other same-PPA packages) but the i386 and amd64 packages build OK. Where do I start?
[22:48] <LarstiQ> are those other packages built for lpia?
[22:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes
[23:22] <wgrant> NCommander: Actually, bigjools was wrong.
[23:22] <wgrant> NCommander: 'Duplicated ancestry' means 'wait for the publisher to run again'
[23:25] <wgrant> NCommander: The problem is that an override creates a new source publishing, with status Pending. But the old one doesn't get marked Superseded until the publisher runs. So if a build finishes after an override but before the publisher, it will see that there are two possibilities for sources that it built from.
[23:26] <wgrant> so it dies.
[23:26] <wgrant> when it should just take the Pending SPPH.


[03:49] <fluter> hi, I use expect daemon, but then I add exec mydaeomin in script block, it cannot track the right pid,
[03:50] <fluter> anyone suggests?
[04:56] <fluter> hello people
[06:50] <fluter> hello people
[08:17] <fluter> hello people
[10:23] <xnox> fluter: "exec" cancels any expect, and tracks that pid.
[10:24] <xnox> don't use exec, if you want to use expect daemon
[10:24] <xnox> (inside script block that is)
[10:25] <fluter> xnox, what is exec will track if no script block?
[10:26] <xnox> fluter: exec outside script block is an upstart stanza, and will use expect correctly.
[10:26] <xnox> fluter: exec inside script block is exec(1posix) which doesn't consider "expect" upstart stanzas.
[10:27] <xnox> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/en/man1/exec.1posix.html
[10:27] <xnox> vs
[10:27] <fluter> xnox, because I have some setups before exec, so have to use script block
[10:27] <xnox> can you pastebin your full job.
[10:27] <xnox> ?
[10:27] <fluter> xnox, sure,
[10:31] <fluter> xnox, http://sprunge.us/DMhP
[10:32] <fluter> I use this, and the pid is wrong
[10:32] <xnox> fluter: just remove "exec" word, and all should just work.
[10:32] <xnox> fluter: why did you add exec, instead of just:
[10:32] <xnox> script
[10:32] <xnox> [ -f /etc/sysconfig/chunk_server_main ] && . /etc/sysconfig/chunk_server_main
[10:32] <xnox> /usr/sbin/chunk_server_main  $CHUNK_SERVER_MAIN_OPTIONS
[10:32] <xnox> end script
[10:33] <fluter> xnox, I read the docs, it says exec is to run the command :) I read it wrong :(
[10:33] <fluter> section for exec in upstart cookbook
[10:33] <fluter> thanks a lot xnox
[10:34] <xnox> fluter: on it's own, not inside a script block, which is fed completely into "sh -c"
[10:34] <fluter> xnox, another question, inside script, there are mutiple lines, which pid will upstart tracking?
[10:34] <xnox> the first one.
[10:35] <xnox> so e.g. sourcing /etc/sysconfig/chunk_server_main may not exec processes.
[10:35] <fluter> xnox, that would be the [  ] one?
[10:35] <fluter> xnox, /usr/sbin/chunk_server will fork twice  to become a daemon, witll that work?
[10:36] <xnox> it should work.
[10:37] <xnox> [ ] is not a process, but a shell builtin. Checked with strace against dash.
[10:37] <fluter> xnox, I see
[10:39] <fluter> xnox, I removed exec, but it still says the wrong pid
[10:39] <fluter> xnox, initctl status says 1521, but ps shows it is 1523
[10:40] <fluter> I think it got the pid before fork
[10:40] <xnox> fluter: what's the pid you want to track, and what does "status job" say?
[10:40] <fluter> xnox, status says "chunkd sttart/running, process 1521"
[10:40] <fluter> but in ps, it is 1523
[10:40] <xnox> fluter: did you follow http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#how-to-establish-fork-count ?
[10:40] <fluter> because it's the wrong pid, stop job will hang
[10:41] <fluter> xnox, yes, the daemon fork twice, so I used expect daemon
[10:41] <xnox> fluter: did you fully stop the job after modifying the config files?
[10:42] <fluter> xnox, yes
[10:42] <xnox> (as in initctl said stop/waiting)
[10:42] <xnox> ok.
[10:42] <fluter> xnox, I rebooted
[10:42] <xnox> fluter: can you provide the strace.log ? is in http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#how-to-establish-fork-count ?
[10:42] <fluter> ok, 1 sec
[10:43] <xnox> also try a basick job first http://paste.ubuntu.com/7622871/
[10:47] <fluter> xnox, http://sprunge.us/LaUG
[10:49] <fluter> xnox, it works,
[10:50] <fluter> the paste you gave, it tackes right pid, so I can start stop without hang
[10:50] <xnox> fluter: what's the contents of  /etc/sysconfig/chunk_server_main ?
[10:50] <fluter> some lines of NAME=VALUE paris
[10:50] <fluter> pairs
[10:51] <xnox> does it have any $(), `cmd` or commands that are executed ?
[10:51] <fluter> xnox, no, it is all static shell variables
[10:54] <fluter> hmm, if use script block, if only one line of /usr/sbin/..., it works,
[10:54] <fluter> if I add . /etc/sysconfig/some config file, it does not work anymore
[10:55] <fluter> I think source a shell file is the problem
[10:56] <xnox> one option is to have two jobs
[10:56] <xnox> in one job do:
[10:56] <xnox> task
[10:56] <xnox> script
[10:57] <xnox> . /etc/sysconfig/chunk_server_main
[10:57] <xnox> start chunk-server VAR1=$VAR1
[10:57] <xnox> end script
[10:58] <fluter> in the chunk-server job, it will get the VAR1 variable?
[10:58] <xnox> yes.
[10:58] <fluter> aha, ok
[10:58] <fluter> let me try that
[10:58] <xnox> so one job is a "sourcer/environment assembler", the other one just runs the daemon straight.
[10:59] <fluter> xnox, start command will start it, but will it be started twice,
[10:59] <fluter> when init says chunk-server in /etc/init


[02:00] <pleia2> hey folks, we're just rounding up one more council member and then we'll get ready to start this Americas board meeting :)
[02:03] <nhandler> Isn't it meeting time?
[02:03] <pleia2> nhandler: yes, gathering up council members
[02:04] <nhandler> pleia2: nixternal should be around, I just talked with him
[02:05] <pleia2> nhandler: thanks :) we just need one more for quorum and he hasn't replied to PMs
[02:06] <nhandler> Hey cody-somerville
[02:06] <cody-somerville> Hi nhandler
[02:07]  * mterry waves at cody-somerville
[02:08]  * cody-somerville waves.
[02:11] <pleia2> sorry all, still trying to get one more
[02:12] <pleia2> ok, we're ready to go
[02:12] <nixternal> hola
[02:12] <xq> hey nix
[02:12] <nixternal> well howdy
[02:12] <nhandler> nixternal: About time you showed up ;)
[02:12] <pleia2> ok, looks like kiko isn't here
[02:12] <pleia2> xq: you're up!
[02:12] <nixternal> shush nhandler ;p
[02:13] <xq> Hi
[02:13] <Technoviking> nixternal: your late, no burrito for you
[02:13]  * lamalex will have his burrito
[02:13] <pleia2> xq: post a short introduction and links :)
[02:13] <xq> I'm xq / Craig Huffstetler. Been using Ubuntu Linux, among other distros, for a while and contributing to the community. I help on Answers and in Ubuntu Bugs...and lead the Ubuntu US SC LoCo.
[02:14] <xq> Links...
[02:14] <pleia2> wiki will do
[02:14] <xq> https://launchpad.net/~xq
[02:14] <xq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CraigHuffstetler
[02:16] <nixternal> jesus, let me borrow some of that karma xq :)
[02:16] <pleia2> xq: where would you say you're most active?
[02:16] <xq> My LoCo and in Answers, I am trying to focus mostly on my LoCo
[02:17] <pleia2> cool, any upcoming events loco-wise?
[02:17] <xq> But in general I like to spread out a lot of my time because I am currently (in all honesty) unemployed so this is where I siphon a lot of my free time.
[02:18] <xq> A lot of the current LoCo activities are about raising awareness in the community, so most of the activities (for me and members) reflect this -- whether it be with schools or community groups
[02:18] <nixternal> mmmm burrito
[02:19] <nixternal> as a matter of fact Technoviking...that is what I shall eat after this meeting :)
[02:19] <pleia2> xq: any specific events coming up?
[02:19] <xq> A virtual jaunty release party
[02:20] <xq> To be honest, we tried to plan a jaunty release party but due to the spread of members across our state we had no response to the major active areas
[02:20] <xq> So, we had to make it virtual
[02:20] <pleia2> yeah, that happens
[02:20] <xq> So, the next step is to get people together later on in the year
[02:20] <cody-somerville> Is South Carolina an official LoCo?
[02:20] <xq> It's sad in my eye
[02:20] <xq> Not yet cody, but we would like to become one this year. It's on our road map.
[02:21] <nixternal> does the loco have any official ubuntu members yet?
[02:21] <xq> yes
[02:22] <xq> DaveBush2 / myrtlebeachbums (irc name)
[02:22] <nixternal> heh
[02:22] <nhandler> xq: Your LP profile shows that you are a member of the QA team. What QA-related tasks do you perform?
[02:23] <xq> nhandler: I have participated in the last two testing days
[02:23] <pleia2> xq: thanks for your help with the US Teams this year :) it's nice to have you so eager to pitch in with things
[02:24] <charlie-tca> I would like to give a wave for xq in helping with testing
[02:24] <xq> nhandler: I also like to help on bugs when able, across the board, and help "triage" them
[02:24] <nhandler> xq: Any plans then to join the Bug Control team?
[02:24] <xq> nhandler: I get a lot exposure to bugs from the Answers forum as well, whether it be a new bug or linking an existing bug that should have more detail in it
[02:24] <charlie-tca> He has been helping out and it is doing a good job when he can
[02:25] <cody-somerville> xq, Where can I find logs of your loco meetings?
[02:25] <xq> nhandler: I may, but I didn't think my work was done in ubuntu-quality. I have quite a few ideas for helping out more there (including policies/wiki pages) and perhaps even writing some pieces.
[02:26] <xq> cody-somerville: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SouthCarolinaTeam/Meetings
[02:27] <cody-somerville> xq, What are three things the South Carolina LoCo Team done to contribute back to the larger Ubuntu community that you're most proud of?
[02:29] <xq> cody-somerville: I'm very proud of my members. I think that everything starts with the members & community (no matter the community). That may be number one. They contribute back to the larger community as a whole in ways that I can't as one person.
[02:29] <cody-somerville> xq, Could you give some specific examples of work done that specifically you've participated in?
[02:30] <xq> cody-somerville: Secondly, I would say some of our information spreading in the community (publishing articles in local newspapers, such as an article published in a local college newspaper) to raise awareness about Ubuntu and open source
[02:30] <cody-somerville> Have a link to that?
[02:31] <xq> cody-somerville: Also, participating in FLPC (Free Linux PC).
[02:31] <xq> The Carolinian at USC Upstate
[02:31] <xq> One second, let me see if it is online
[02:31] <xq> Free Linux PC is at http://www.freelinuxpc.org/
[02:32] <cody-somerville> I'm actually looking for Ubuntu specific examples, not so much FLOSS ones.
[02:33] <xq> THe USC Upstate example was me going back and forth attempting to get a computer lab turned into Ubuntu instead of Windows with the Dean of the dept.
[02:33] <xq> I was an alumni of the college
[02:33]  * cody-somerville nods.
[02:35] <pleia2> xq: cool, when was this?
[02:35] <xq> It has not been converted yet, but I am still in contact with them. The last meeting was two weeks ago.
[02:35] <itnet7> Nice! xq
[02:36] <xq> It just revved up student interest with Live CDs. It may ultimately come down to dual booting, but we'll see. There are other professors on board that I knew while I was there.
[02:39] <dantalizing> is it too late to get my plug in for xq?  i am us teams mentor for SC, and in the time i've observed them, xq has always been positive and friendly.  He is working hard to get the SC team organized and approved.  He is a great representative of the Ubuntu community.
[02:39] <pleia2> thanks dantalizing :)
[02:40] <pleia2> +1 from me, looking forward to seeing SC get approved this year! :)
[02:41] <dantalizing> i'm not sure SC needs a mentor... SC is moving forward thanks in great part to xq
[02:42] <Technoviking> +1 here, good work, please continue the great work in LP answers
[02:43] <cody-somerville> xq, +1 for a good start to becoming a great contributor.
[02:44] <nixternal> +1
[02:44] <nixternal> derr
[02:44] <nhandler> Congratulations xq! Keep up the good work.
[02:44] <pleia2> congrats xq, welcome! :)
[02:44] <charlie-tca> congratulations, xq
[02:44] <xq> Thanks guys
[02:44] <itnet7> Congrats xq !!
[02:44] <mterry> :)
[02:44] <ssweeny> congrats xq
[02:44] <xq> And gals
[02:45] <pleia2> doesn't look like
[02:45] <pleia2> wolter is here
[02:45] <mterry> me me me
[02:45] <pleia2> mterry: you're up!
[02:46] <mterry> OK, intro: I'm a long time user (since ubuntu started), only seriously started contributing in the last year
[02:46] <mterry> I work for Canonical on OEM customization stuff (like Dell Mini)
[02:46] <mterry> Links: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mterry/Membership
[02:46] <mterry> https://launchpad.net/~mterry
[02:46] <mterry> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/mterry/Uploads
[02:47] <mterry> I work on lots of different stuff, notably the install experience (ubiquity, oem-config), and GNOME stuff
[02:47] <mterry> done
[02:48] <mterry> I do more upstream work than Ubuntu, but I'm trying to tip that balance
[02:48] <pleia2> how long has deja-dup been around?
[02:48] <mterry> Since October...  6 months?
[02:49] <mterry> It's in Jaunty now
[02:49] <pleia2> ah ok, I hadn't heard about it but it sounds very cool :)
[02:49] <itnet7> Nice contributions mterry!!
[02:49] <mterry> It is!  ;)
[02:50] <mterry> Thanks, itnet7
[02:50] <pleia2> mterry: I see you have MOTU on your list for goals, is that something you think you'll get into this year?
[02:51] <mterry> pleia2: I'd like to.  I think it's achievable
[02:51]  * pleia2 nods
[02:53] <pleia2> +1 from me, fantastic work mterry (and I'm looking forward to giving deja-dup a spin!)
[02:53] <nixternal> +1 here
[02:54] <mterry> pleia2: Thanks!  I love bug reports
[02:54] <Technoviking> +1 here
[02:55]  * cody-somerville abstains as mterry is a co-worker of mine. :)
[02:55] <pleia2> :)
[02:55] <pleia2> congrats mterry! welcome aboard
[02:55] <nhandler> Congrats mterry !
[02:55] <mterry> Yay!
[02:56] <itnet7> woohoo congrats mterry!!!
[02:56] <charlie-tca> congratulations, mterry
[02:56] <cody-somerville> Congratz mterry
[02:56] <mterry> Thanks all
[02:57] <pleia2> tim_sharitt: you're up :)
[02:57] <tim_sharitt> I am 25 years old. I have no formal IT training, and all my knowledge is self taught. I have been an avid Linux users for about ten years now. I have used Ubuntu since 6.06. My main contribution to the community is user support, mostly via ubuntuforums.org. I do some bug triaging, but this is mostly limited to specifying packages for bugs, and an occasional comment. I am a member of the ubuntu forums beginners team. I am not much o
[02:57] <tim_sharitt> f a programmer, but I try to learn all that I can. I'm currently reading through the MOTU documentation to learn more about the Ubuntu packaging process. Hopefully I will know enough to be able to contribute soon.
[02:57] <tim_sharitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsharitt
[02:57] <mterry> Heh, making the most of your 3 minutes, I see.  :)
[02:57] <tim_sharitt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~tsharitt
[02:57] <tim_sharitt> I swear it looked shorter in gedit :)
[02:57] <pleia2> hehe
[02:58] <nhandler> I would like to say that tim_sharitt is also an active member of the Ubuntu Forums Beginners. He is very knowledgeable and always willing to help any user in need.
[02:59] <xq> 3 minutes? how long did i take?
[02:59] <lamalex> 42
[02:59] <lamalex> :)
[02:59] <xq> that's what i thought. <noted>
[02:59] <ssweeny> that's your answer for everything
[02:59] <lamalex> busted
[03:00] <pleia2> tim_sharitt: your future plans are quite diverse, is there anything specific on your list that you're actively working toward now?
[03:01] <tim_sharitt> I working on leaning packaging right now
[03:01] <pleia2> tim_sharitt: cool, any PPAs in the works? :)
[03:01] <tim_sharitt> not yet, need something to work on first :)
[03:02]  * itnet7 thinks if tim_sharitt can get Alabama going again, We might be able realize our Florida, Georgia, Alabama Tri-Loco Meet-up!!!
[03:02] <nhandler> tim_sharitt: Take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging
[03:02] <tim_sharitt> itnet7: that would be awesome :)
[03:03] <pleia2> tim_sharitt: how long have you been involved with the bug work? is this something you see yourself continuing?
[03:04] <tim_sharitt> I've only started the bug work in the last six months, I plan to continue as well as gain more knowledge about how it all works
[03:05] <tim_sharitt> I just recently learned how to do a backtrace
[03:05] <Technoviking> tim_sharitt: what are your plans for the BT education group
[03:06] <tim_sharitt> I am hoping to be able to put together a few courses for the moodle site once it is up and going
[03:08] <Technoviking> what courses are you considering?
[03:08] <cody-somerville> tim_sharitt, Can you link to your forum profile for us please?
[03:09] <tim_sharitt> Though I don't really know on what yet. I have been trying to think about what I am qualified with. Probably cli stuff
[03:09] <tim_sharitt> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=270383
[03:10] <tim_sharitt> I would like to do a beginners primer for using the command line
[03:10] <tim_sharitt> and build on that
[03:10] <cody-somerville> tim_sharitt, Sounds good. +1 from me.
[03:11] <tim_sharitt> I was also just approved for the UF unanswered posts team
[03:11] <pleia2> +1 from me, great testimonials from your team, and you have a lot of great stuff going on - keep it up! :)
[03:11] <tim_sharitt> just saw the PM when I got the profile link :)
[03:11] <nixternal> +1 here as well
[03:11] <Technoviking> +1 here good forums work, Work on the Bama Loco though:)
[03:12] <pleia2> congrats tim_sharitt!
[03:12] <nhandler> Congratulations tim_sharitt
[03:12] <charlie-tca> congratulations, tim_sharitt
[03:12] <itnet7> Congrats!!!!
[03:12] <tim_sharitt> Thanks everyone :)
[03:12] <pleia2> ok all, we're only doing 2 more this evening, the next we'll have to hold off until the next meeting
[03:12] <pleia2> dantalizing: you're up
[03:12] <boredandblogging> wohoo! dantalizing! dantalizing! dantalizing!
[03:12] <dantalizing> I've been using Ubuntu since Warty, and a member of the Florida loco since 4/2007. I was the Florida LoCo team lead from 10/2007 - 1/2009.  I've help organize many release parties and other advocacy events since that time.  I've helped Canonical with the Ubuntu Professional Developer training and Ubuntu Server training.
[03:12] <dantalizing> Currently I am a US Teams Mentor, and am organizing multiple release parties for Jaunty.  My future plans include becoming a MOTU (I already have a mentor), and having complete support for OpenVZ in 10.04 LTS.  Or at least to the extent that soren allows :)
[03:12] <dantalizing> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanTrevino
[03:13] <dantalizing> https://edge.launchpad.net/~dantrevino
[03:13] <pleia2> yeah, such a show-off with all those release parties :)
[03:13] <dantalizing> :)
[03:13] <pleia2> US-FL is making us all look bad ;)
[03:13] <boredandblogging> dan is the man, he has done great work with the Florida team!
[03:13] <nhandler> dantalizing: You mentioned you had a mentor. Just out of curiosity, who is it?
[03:14] <pleia2> I worked with dantalizing on the Ubuntu Professional Developer training stuff in Baltimore, loads of fun, he does great work
[03:14] <itnet7> Dan is a great contributor to the Florida Team, he was the previous team lead. He has spent a lot of time organizing different projects, and mentored other team Members in their efforts when starting out. He is involved in every event/project the Florida Team participates and has physically attended practically every event (most recently driving from Gaineseville to Miami, close to > 5 hours)
[03:14] <itnet7> He stepped down due to expecting an addition to his family, but you could hardly notice! He hasn't skipped a beat organizing several Jaunty releases across the State! He is involved with the Server Team, bug triaging, and is really involved in too many areas to list.
[03:15] <dantalizing> nhandler: stgraber
[03:15] <dantalizing> nhandler: huats put us together
[03:15] <dantalizing> nhandler: i'm really just getting started in the motu direction though
[03:16] <cody-somerville> +1 for Dan. Very solid application.
[03:16] <pleia2> +1 from me, I am very familiar with dantalizing's exceptional work - well done!
[03:16] <Technoviking> +1
[03:17] <nixternal> +1
[03:17] <nhandler> Congratulations dantalizing ! Keep up the fantastic work.
[03:17] <boredandblogging> congrats dan!
[03:17] <nixternal> we have known dan for quite some time
[03:17] <pleia2> congrats dantalizing!
[03:17] <boredandblogging> wohoo!
[03:17] <dantalizing> thanks everyone!!!
[03:17] <itnet7> Nice Job dantalizing You deserve it Man!!
[03:17] <nixternal> dantalizing: what took you so long?
[03:17] <pleia2> ok, last of the night, lamalex you're up :)
[03:17]  * jedijf cheers loudly for lamalex
[03:17] <lamalex> :)
[03:17] <nixternal> I figured you were a member for a while now, especially after seeing you at UDS
[03:17] <dantalizing> nixternal: i wanted to deserve it first
[03:17] <dantalizing> :)
[03:17] <lamalex> ok, so- Hi, my name is Alex Launi, I'm 21. I'm a member of the Ubuntu-US-PA LoCo team, and one of the GNOME Do developers. Most of my involvement with the Ubuntu community has been through our LoCo, of which I'm one of the mailing list admins, and launchpad admins. I will be attending UDS Karmic with Canonical sponsorship. I'm active on the forums giving support, report bugs when I find them, and recently have been involved in some of the video
[03:18] <pleia2> you cut off at "some of the video"
[03:18] <lamalex> grr
[03:18] <lamalex> irc
[03:18] <nixternal> lamalex: by chance did I meet you at Penguicon last year? I know I met one of you damn GNOME Do devs :p
[03:18] <lamalex> ... testing for the intel driver in jaunty reporting bugs on the UXA stuff for Karmic, and making sure EXA is smooth for jaunty.
[03:18] <lamalex> nixternal: you would have met djsiegel or DBO
[03:18] <lamalex> they were both there
[03:18] <nixternal> ahh, ya it was DBO now that you said it
[03:18] <lamalex> nixternal: if you were at Ubuntu Live i may have met you there
[03:19] <lamalex> hm, I should add that to my wiki page...
[03:19] <pleia2> so, over 2 years ago lamalex is the one I found out about the Pennsylvania LoCo from :) we were at a LUG meeting and I was like "Hey, there should be a us-pa team" and he says "THERE IS!"
[03:19] <nixternal> heh
[03:19] <lamalex> my wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexLauni and LP is http://launchpad.net/~alexlauni
[03:19] <pleia2> he's been working solidly with the US-PA LoCo since the beginning over 2 years ago
[03:20] <lamalex> https://launchpad.net/~alexlauni
[03:20]  * nixternal makes a reminder to let Gabriel know to not allow lamalex near banshee from this point on :p
[03:20] <lamalex> heh
[03:20] <lamalex> my banshee contributions have been great mister
[03:20] <nixternal> W00T CRITICAL MASS!
[03:20] <nixternal> Critical Mass Chicago here!
[03:20] <lamalex> yes, I am an avid cyclist
[03:20] <lamalex> :)
[03:20] <bts3685> i also worked with him for an end-user support company for about a hear and a half- very professional guy but still knows how to communicate on a human level
[03:20] <nixternal> lamalex: I guess that explains the bumps and bruises in your pic on LP
[03:20] <lamalex> haha yes
[03:20] <nixternal> lamalex: favorite brand of cycle?
[03:21] <lamalex> that was from getting hit by a car
[03:21] <nixternal> lemme guess, fixie?
[03:21] <jedijf> here we go....
[03:21] <jthan> lol
[03:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:21] <Technoviking> lamalex: how gnome-do will not open my home directory?:)
[03:21] <nixternal> he looks like the hipster fixie type
[03:21] <lamalex> normally, but I love road bikes, and I'm realllly looking for a cyclocross bike
[03:21] <lamalex> nixternal: i was a messenger for a bit
[03:21] <lamalex> :)
[03:21] <lamalex> freelance deliveries for my friend's dad's firm downtown
[03:21] <nixternal> just picked up a Blue Cyclocross bike...very good bike...I am a Trek fan with 2 Madones, an FX, and a 1.5...all road bikes :)
[03:22] <pleia2> others here to cheer for lamalex?
[03:22] <nixternal> probably going to convert my 1.5 to a fixie
[03:22] <lamalex> what frame/
[03:22] <bts3685> pleia2: o/
[03:22]  * jedijf cheers again
[03:22] <lamalex> heh we're so offtopic :)
[03:22] <nixternal> hahahaha
[03:22]  * erstazi cheers for lamalex
[03:22]  * ssweeny cheers for lamalex
[03:22] <pleia2> :)
[03:22] <jedijf> shhh its your strength
[03:22]  * bts3685 cheers for lamalex
[03:22]  * Taim cheers for lamalex
[03:22]  * jthan cheers for lamalex
[03:22] <lamalex> on topic- I tried to start an ubuntu cycling team a loong time ago
[03:22] <ssweeny> it's started
[03:22]  * nixternal notes he is on the Ubuntu Cyclists team on LP -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cyclists for you other cyclists in here :)
[03:22] <jthan> #ubuntu-cyclists
[03:23]  * ssweeny is idling in that channel right now
[03:23] <lamalex> it kind of failed, and then ubuntu-cyclists popped up
[03:23] <nixternal> argh, I didn't even know we had an IRC channel
[03:23] <lamalex> tried to get the ML going, it died a little bit
[03:23] <pleia2> ok, let's get this thing rolling
[03:23] <lamalex> i would really like to see if we can get a ride at UDS
[03:23] <pleia2> +1 from me, fantastic work these past couple years, lamalex :)
[03:23] <nixternal> +1 from me
[03:23] <lamalex> nixternal: next UDS in paris, we'll do the champs-elysee
[03:23] <Technoviking> +1 here
[03:23] <johnso> +1 for lamalex... seen some good stuff on the forums from him!
[03:23] <nixternal> lamalex: I am so there!
[03:23] <pleia2> lamalex: congrats!!
[03:24] <jedijf> congrats lamalex !!!
[03:24] <nhandler> Congrats lamalex !
[03:24] <ssweeny> congrats lamalex!
[03:24] <mterry> lamalex: Congrats!
[03:24] <jedijf> try to stay /on/ the bike
[03:24] <xq> Congrats 42
[03:24] <djsiegel> woohooo lamalex
[03:24] <Taim> Huzzah.
[03:24] <johnso> congrats!!
[03:24] <nixternal> djsiegel: ahhh, I remember you from penguicon
[03:24] <nixternal> I was the drunk guy!
[03:24] <nixternal> hahahah
[03:24] <djsiegel> nixternal: hmmm
[03:24] <djsiegel> the drunk guy...
[03:25] <ssweeny> there was only one?
[03:25] <boredandblogging> lol
[03:25] <nixternal> you were at Jorge's party the night before too?
[03:25] <Technoviking> slow con
[03:25] <ssweeny> not much of a con
[03:25] <djsiegel> yeah
[03:25] <boredandblogging> nixternal: the drunk guy
[03:25] <nixternal> I was the guy who made out with jcastro in the room!!!
[03:25] <djsiegel> nixternal: score!
[03:25] <bts3685> /part
[03:25] <djsiegel> jorge is dreamy
[03:25] <nixternal> damn, that shouldn't have gone public
[03:25] <lamalex> /fail
[03:25] <nixternal> hahahahahah
[03:25] <lamalex> jorge is every ubunteros dream man
[03:25] <boredandblogging> nixternal: unless there are pictures, it didn't happen
[03:26] <ajmitch> nixternal: I feel sorry for him
[03:26] <xq> screenshot
[03:26] <nixternal> boredandblogging: there are pictures
[03:26] <pleia2> thanks for coming to the meeting everyone :) congrats to our new members!
[03:26] <nhandler> Great meeting everyone
[03:26] <boredandblogging> nixternal: duuuuude
[03:26] <djsiegel> nixternal: am I up?
[03:26] <jedijf> congrats to all new members
[03:26] <djsiegel> or is meeting over?
[03:26] <mdeslaur> How often are the meetings?
[03:26] <boredandblogging> don't tease us like that!
[03:26] <nhandler> djsiegel: They are done for the night
[03:26] <lamalex> thanks guys!
[03:26] <lamalex> woo!
[03:27] <djsiegel> ok, cool
[03:27] <nixternal> hold on
[03:27] <nixternal> we are going to get it over with I hope
[03:27] <nixternal> djsiegel: you are up!
[03:27] <nixternal> whew, that was close
[03:27] <djsiegel> ok...
[03:28] <djsiegel> "My name is David Siegel, and I began my involvement with Ubuntu a few years ago as a part time user, and became actively engaged as a full-time user and developer a year and half ago when I founded the GNOME Do project." https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DJSiegel
[03:29] <Hobbsee> you're the founder?  ROCK ON!
[03:29] <djsiegel> when I'm not gallivanting with drunk guys at penguicon, I am gallivanting with drunk guys in #gnome-do
[03:29] <djsiegel> and drunk guys at Canonical, my new employer
[03:30] <djsiegel> (if you don't know Do, http://do.davebsd.com -- I highly recommend installing it)
[03:30] <djsiegel> (but I am biased)
[03:30] <djsiegel> so I know lamalex, of course
[03:30] <djsiegel> and DBO
[03:30] <djsiegel> they are great Do devs
[03:30] <djsiegel> so, anyway
[03:30]  * Hobbsee <3 gnome-do
[03:30] <djsiegel> from the beginning, Do has been targeted for Ubuntu, much to the chagrin of our friends at Novell
[03:30]  * nixternal <3 Hobbsee when she lets people know there is 5 minutes left!
[03:30] <djsiegel> my goal was to (1) make full use of Launchpad and engage the community
[03:31] <djsiegel> (2) get more people using Ubuntu, which they would enjoy more because of Do
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: now that's what gnome do needs!  A timer function!
[03:31] <djsiegel> Hobbsee: that is actually queued
[03:31] <djsiegel> I think a plugin just went to our list
[03:31] <Hobbsee> djsiegel: sweet.  Then I can stop using my phone to remind me to remind everyone else about the 5 minute mark :)
[03:32] <djsiegel> I bet
[03:32] <Hobbsee> oh, cool, do works for ssh hosts again.
[03:32] <djsiegel> you could set the screenshot plugin to take a screenshot in 5 minutes ;)
[03:33] <djsiegel> I am saying this to try to make it clear that I sincerely believe Do /is/ a significant contribution to Ubuntu in particular, which may not be clear since it's upstream
[03:33] <djsiegel> but now I am working on the user experience team at Canonical
[03:33] <djsiegel> and will work with the community for the next long while to get everyone excited about making linux sexy
[03:33] <djsiegel> *sexier
[03:33] <pleia2> djsiegel: specifically on the desktop, what kinds of things aside from Do are you working on?
[03:33] <djsiegel> my launchpad page; https://edge.launchpad.net/~djsiegel
[03:34] <djsiegel> well, we have this new project called Ayatana
[03:34] <lamalex> djsiegel: Hobbsee re timer plugin, there are few bugs left to work out, should be done soon says the dev
[03:34] <djsiegel> the first component of Ayatana is the notifications, which we are still working very hard on
[03:34] <ScottK> djsiegel: What are your views on how the Dx team has interacted with the community in the Jaunty cycle?
[03:34] <nixternal> boredandblogging: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronthul/2431683165/
[03:34] <djsiegel> ScottK: so, this was our first cycle and I think we learned a hell of a lot
[03:35] <boredandblogging> nixternal: you know thats showing up in the planet in a few minutes, right?
[03:35] <djsiegel> I really think we've started on the right foot, but some important lessons were learned
[03:35] <ScottK> What do you think could be improved for karmic then?
[03:35] <dantalizing> nixternal: ew
[03:35] <djsiegel> ScottK: well, I was not involved for much of the Jaunty cycle
[03:35] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[03:35] <nhandler> nixternal: That photo is coming to the release party ;)
[03:35] <nixternal> boredandblogging: nevah!
[03:35] <djsiegel> but, the community /is/ Ubuntu
[03:36] <djsiegel> it is our greatest strength, our greatest advantage
[03:36] <ScottK> So you feel like Dx integrated well with the community then?
[03:36] <djsiegel> it's a necessary condition for the success of Ubuntu that the Dx, Ux, and community find equilibrium
[03:36] <djsiegel> And I am extremely excited to be a part of that!
[03:37] <djsiegel> well, I think there are some rough PR edges that have been smoothed over
[03:37] <ScottK> So the only problems are PR?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Is ayatana planning to incrementally test new ideas in the development release, or are they planning to only throw out finished features?  Also, how much community action are they looking for?
[03:37] <djsiegel> I was told that notify-osd was greeting with some frustration at UDS
[03:38] <ScottK> I have yet to see any positive feedback from the community on the update-notifier changes.
[03:38] <djsiegel> ScottK, like I said, I was not involved with Ux/Dx during the cycle, so my impression of Dx/community integration for Jaunty is mostly second hand.
[03:38] <djsiegel> ScottK: really? I have seen mixed feedbacl.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> And how much does ayatana plan to use non-canonical feedback, in the Karmic cycle?
[03:38] <djsiegel> I criticized it heavily when it was made public :)
[03:38] <ScottK> djsiegel: About update-notifier?
[03:39] <djsiegel> oh, no, I meant notify-osd
[03:39] <ScottK> I've seen mixed feedback about the notification design, but the update-notifier feedback that I've seen was pretty unmixed.
[03:39] <djsiegel> I do not know much about update-notifier changes yet, but I do know I just toasted my netbook and desktop with Jaunty updates.
[03:39] <djsiegel> I have not been involved with update-notifier at all.
[03:39] <djsiegel> But this is an evolving process.
[03:39] <pleia2> great work djsiegel :) +1 from me
[03:40] <nixternal> +1 from me as well
[03:40] <djsiegel> The team is still forming, I just joined a few weeks ago!
[03:41] <Technoviking> +1 from me
[03:41] <nixternal> BURRITO!
[03:41] <lamalex> +1
[03:41] <pleia2> congrats djsiegel :)
[03:42] <lamalex> djsiegel has great vision, and is a huuge asset
[03:42] <djsiegel> cool beans burrito
[03:42] <lamalex> also, he introduced me to the best burritos in philly
[03:42] <nhandler> Congratulations djsiegel !
[03:42] <djsiegel> booyakasha
[03:43] <lamalex> yeah dude! congrats
[03:44] <Technoviking> I think that is it for tonight. great neeting everyone
[03:44] <dantalizing> thank you pleia2 Technoviking cody-somerville nixternal itnet7 boredandblogging stgraber nhandler
[03:44] <nixternal> no, thank you all :)
[03:45] <nixternal> BURRITO!!!
[03:45] <nhandler> Isn't it a little late for a burrito nixternal ?
[03:45] <nixternal> never!
[03:46]  * nixternal drives down to google and wakes up Sussman and Fitz
[03:48] <johnso> johnso is bye bye
[03:56] <stgraber> nixternal: hmm, from Chicago to MountainView, that can take a while :)
[06:33] <vikashkoushik> Hi guys
[06:34] <vikashkoushik> When I login to my launchpad profile,I find that I lost 10,000 karma's.What happened?
[06:34] <dholbach> vikashkoushik: best to ask in #launchpad
[06:35] <vikashkoushik> thanks
[15:54] <eeejay> hey jcollado, you know when the qa meeting is?
[15:54] <jcollado> eeejay: Hi. I think it's in 6 minutes
[15:56] <eeejay> jcollado: cool, thanks
[15:58] <james_w> it was later last week
[15:58] <james_w> if it is the same time then it will be 2 hours
[16:01] <jcollado> james_w: Thanks. I think I've to fix my calendar
[16:04] <eeejay> phew
[16:05] <davmor2> eeejay: it's at the same time but the uk clocks are forward an hour so it is an hour latter here ie 1800 bst
[16:06] <eeejay> davmor2: the calendar says GMT despite DST
[16:06] <charlie-tca> 1700 UTC ?
[16:07] <davmor2> eeejay: are you sure it should say utc
[17:59] <pedro_> hello folks!
[17:59] <heno> hey!
[17:59] <bdmurray> hi
[17:59] <xq> hey
[18:00] <ara> hola hola :)
[18:02] <heno> fader_, sbeattie, ogasawara: ping
[18:02] <fader_> Here, just finishing an email, sorry :)
[18:02] <ogasawara> heno:  oops, I'm here now
[18:02] <heno> np
[18:02] <sbeattie> hey
[18:02] <heno> ok, let's start
[18:02] <heno> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:03] <heno> agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings some standing items and RC/Final testing
[18:03] <heno> UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:03] <pedro_> well i wasn't around that day so can't talk too much about the hug day
[18:04] <heno> [TOPIC]: UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic: : UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro
[18:04] <pedro_> just looking at the page it seems it went pretty fine
[18:04] <heno> (for the record)
[18:04] <davmor2> hello
[18:04] <bdmurray> The timing was a bit unfortunate since the archive was frozen
[18:04]  * charlie-tca waves
[18:04] <bdmurray> So it required more work to sponsor uploads
[18:05] <heno> right
[18:05] <heno> what's the next bug day?
[18:05] <bdmurray> However, we did get some bugs fixed which is great!
[18:05] <heno> always good :)
[18:06] <pedro_> heno:  catch new bugs for SRUs and Karmic - schedule for 20090430
[18:06] <heno> ok, great
[18:06] <heno> ogasawara: did you want to mention kernel bug days?
[18:06] <bdmurray> pedro_: there was some discussion regarding having a tagging bugs bug day I'm not sure if it made the planning page
[18:07] <ogasawara> heno: yes
[18:07] <ogasawara> the kernel team recently had a sprint where they decided they'll be holding two kernel team bug days a month
[18:08] <ogasawara> each member of the kernel team has a specific list of bugs to focus on but we also wanted to get community participation in the future
[18:08] <pedro_> bdmurray: there's nothing related to that on the planning page, will add it to the ideas section
[18:08] <heno> ogasawara: is the schedule set?
[18:08] <bdmurray> pedro_: we'd discussed creating a pool of bugs that might need a tag
[18:08] <bdmurray> pedro_: so ones with patches that need a debdiff should get a bitesize tag
[18:09] <ogasawara> heno: we held the first one yesterday, and I believe the intention is to hold it every 2 weeks
[18:09] <ara> ogasawara: is there information somewhere?
[18:09] <ogasawara> ara: I need to migrate it to the public wiki
[18:09] <ara> ogasawara: ok, thx
[18:09] <heno> ogasawara: please post to lists and/or blog aboit it before the next one
[18:09] <ogasawara> heno: will do
[18:10] <heno> [TOPIC] New bug control members! -- bdmurray
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  New bug control members! -- bdmurray
[18:10] <pedro_> bdmurray: ok noted
[18:10] <bdmurray> Nothing to report
[18:10] <heno> ok
[18:10] <ara> :)
[18:10] <heno> [TOPIC] RC and Final ISO testing -- heno
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  RC and Final ISO testing -- heno
[18:11] <heno> So today is crunch day for RC ISO testing
[18:11] <heno> if you're not already please join us in #ubuntu-testing
[18:11] <heno> remaining cases are here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[18:12] <heno> are we tracking the changes made this week to validate after RC?
[18:13] <heno> e.g. the Kubuntu OEM installer fails to start
[18:13] <heno> that and similar fixes shiuld be smoke-checked Friday
[18:14] <heno> slangasek: do all the fixes that go in at this point get release milestoned first?
[18:14] <heno> IOW can we use that list to track them?
[18:15] <sbeattie> wouldn't they get closed and thus be in the relatively big list of closed bugs w/9.04 as a milestone?
[18:15] <heno> fader_, davmor2: can you guys work together to make sure we check on these fixes Friday/Weekend?
[18:15] <bdmurray> we can filter on date_fixed or so
[18:15] <davmor2> heno: yes
[18:15] <fader_> heno: roger
[18:15] <heno> sbeattie: yes, but closed this week
[18:16] <heno> (we can take the method for finding/tracking them off line)
[18:17] <heno> Next week fader_ and I will be in the release war room in London
[18:17] <davmor2> we can always track from the list of bugs on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[18:17] <ara> davmor2: not all the bugs go there, though
[18:18] <heno> please be available next week for last-minute ISO testing, ISOs primed ect :)
[18:18] <heno> schwuk: do we have an emergency mirror up?
[18:18] <davmor2> heno: I think he has
[18:19] <heno> schwuk: can you send out access details to those who need them?
[18:19] <heno> (platform team and active testers in #ubuntu-testing)
[18:20] <schwuk> heno: sure
[18:21]  * mgunes sneaks in at last minute
[18:21] <heno> ok thanks
[18:21] <heno> Are there any other topics?
[18:21] <heno> otherwise we can get on with testing ...
[18:21]  * heno waves to mgunes
[18:22] <cr3> heno: is there a recommended way to bring attention to particularly serious bugs? hibernation, trackpad not working, volume wheel, etc... basic stuff
[18:22] <bdmurray> those mostly sound kernel bugs to me right ogasawara?
[18:23] <cr3> heno: my testing today has uncovered some bugs which I hope have known workarounds such as installing lrm or somesuch
[18:23] <davmor2> cr3: USE CAPITALS AND !!!!!!!!! ;)
[18:23] <ogasawara> cr3: do you have bug #'s we can reference?
[18:23] <cr3> davmor2: you missed a few "1" in those exclamations :)
[18:23] <ogasawara> cr3: but note that the kernel is frozen so unless kittens are dieing it'll likely have to wait for SRU
[18:23] <cr3> ogasawara: I'll be sending a report shortly and, since they are indeed mostly kernel related, I'll copy you on my message
[18:23] <ogasawara> cr3: perfect, thanks
[18:23] <sbeattie> cr3: can you retarget your checkbox/0.7 tree to jaunty-proposed?
[18:24] <heno> cr3: you can assign it one one of these teams http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/team-assigned/ and ask slangasek if he things it warrants Release Critical milestoning
[18:24] <cr3> ogasawara: my concern stops at providing pertinent information to the right people :)
[18:24] <cr3> sbeattie: we'll talk about that after the meeting, but thanks for bringing that up
[18:24] <sbeattie> cr3: okay
[18:25] <heno> cr3: shout esp loud if these are regressions on Certified HW
[18:25] <cr3> heno: I've been shouting at the laptops in the lab but they don't listen :)
[18:25] <davmor2> cr3: that's the extra!
[18:26] <heno> I doubt we'll delay the release but we may bump the kernel before release or do an SRU
[18:26] <cr3> davmor2: I should add that to my bug reports: tried shouting but still doesn't work... /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug shout
[18:26] <heno> cr3: I've seen the audio recording bugs, yes ;)
[18:27] <heno> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/354620
[18:27] <heno> ok, anything else?
[18:27] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:27] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:27.
[18:28] <cr3> fader_: that was your bug, are you sure you weren't the one stuttering?
[18:28] <heno> thanks everyone!
[18:28] <fader_> cr3: :P
[18:28] <ara> thanks!
[18:28] <davmor2> ta
[18:29] <xq> good day all
[20:46] <Nafallo> 4
[23:35] <slangasek> heno: they should be release-targeted first, for tracking


[00:00] <DreadKnight> daskreech: lol
[00:00] <DreadKnight> that's rather sad actually xD
[00:01] <daskreech> Hey
[00:01] <daskreech> I loved being a shaman
[00:01] <DreadKnight> :D
[00:04] <DreadKnight> now it seems that konqueror-kde4 doesn't want to upgrade... oh well
[00:05] <daskreech> well mine crashes everytime I press back
[00:05] <daskreech> I don't like this CD :(
[00:06] <DreadKnight> that arora qt/webkit browser is very nice already
[00:09] <daskreech> I just need it to havea plugin system then have stumbleupon ported to it and I'll care
[00:09] <daskreech> though
[00:09] <daskreech> hopefully I can use KHTML :)
[00:13] <DreadKnight> stumbleupon seems interesting :)
[00:15] <daskreech> It's the awesomeness
[00:17] <DreadKnight> :F
[00:17] <DreadKnight> :D
[00:18] <daskreech> and they poopoo safari so .. hopefully we learn from that :)
[00:39] <DreadKnight> 4.1 doesn't installs atm xD
[00:50] <DreadKnight> i love the new crash window so far :-)
[00:50]  * nosrednaekim refrains from repeating what every other 4.1 hopee is asking
[00:57] <daskreech> nosrednaekim: is it here yet?
[00:58] <nosrednaekim> gaaah! :)
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> Haha, the packages work now
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> nice...
[01:27] <daskreech> ^_^
[01:27] <daskreech> nosrednaekim: is it here yet?
[01:29] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: they don't work for me... dependency issues
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> Somehow I got through it all
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> apparently not :P
[01:31] <daskreech> ;-)
[01:32] <DreadKnight> who is a motu or packager around here?
[01:32] <DreadKnight> does it needs my 'error logs' ?
[01:33] <DreadKnight> trying to help as i can :-)
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> I package stuff
[01:33] <DreadKnight> not sure how you manage installing it all xD
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> me either
[01:34] <DreadKnight> ţi putea să porniţi 'apt-get -f install' pentru a corecta acestea.
[01:34] <DreadKnight> Următoarele pachete au dependenţe neîndeplinite:
[01:34] <DreadKnight>   ksysguard-kde4: Depinde: kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 dar nu este instalat
[01:34] <DreadKnight>                   Depinde: libplasma2 dar nu este instalat
[01:34] <DreadKnight> E: Dependenţe neîndeplinite. Încercaţi să folosiţi -f.
[01:35] <DreadKnight> can't really set konsole to english ... no languages list displayed... heh
[01:35] <daskreech> !paste
[01:35] <DreadKnight> when there are more lines :P
[01:36] <JontheEchidna> It's depending on kdebase-workspace-libs4+5, but that package won't be installed?
[01:37] <JontheEchidna> Is that what the translation is?
[01:39] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: that and libplasma2
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> what happens if you try "sudo apt-get install libplasma2"
[01:39] <DreadKnight> tried that already
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> what does libplasma2 complain about?
[01:40] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/m45596e4c
[01:41] <DreadKnight> so libplasma2 depends on kdebase-workspace-data (= 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2)
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> will that install ok?
[01:43] <DreadKnight> kde-workspace-data is in comflict with libplasma1
[01:43] <DreadKnight> kdebase*
[01:43] <DreadKnight> conflict*
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> Tried removing libplasma1?
[01:44] <JontheEchidna> libplasma2 will be replacing it so it'd be going away anyway
[01:44] <DreadKnight> it doesn't automatically removes, it upgrades i think
[01:44] <DreadKnight> hehe
[01:44] <DreadKnight> ok.. i'll try...
[01:45] <DreadKnight> so libplasma1 is marked for upgrade, libplasma2 for installation if i recall ...
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> what is libplasma1 trying to upgrade to
[01:47] <DreadKnight> i cant really manage to remove libplasma1 from konsole
[01:47] <DreadKnight> get the "use apt-get -f install" msg on and on
[01:47] <DreadKnight> ksysguard-kde4 is broken..
[01:48] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: now libplasma1 is marked for removal it seems
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> oh right, I had a bit of trouble with that too
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> ksysguard-kde4 wanted ksysguardd-kde4 too
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> (note the extra d)
[01:48] <DreadKnight> i know about it
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> now how did I deal with that
[01:49] <DreadKnight> konsole is so damn useless when upgrading for quite some time.. can't manage to install new packages when upgrading (as dependencies) with it
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> could I see the error message for ksysguard?
[01:50] <DreadKnight> adept gives error when preparing upgrade for kdebase-workspace-bin...
[01:51] <DreadKnight> ksysguard-kde4 depends on kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 and libplasma2
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> Ok
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get remove libplasma1
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-data
[01:52] <JontheEchidna> That will remove libplasma1 and upgrade kdebase-workspace-data
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> you can then upgrade libplasma2
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> and that other kdebase-workspace one
[01:53] <DreadKnight> im trying
[01:54] <DreadKnight> ok... this is stupid
[01:57] <DreadKnight> ok, i'm on my way so far
[01:57]  * daskreech crosses his fingers and legs
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> I have snow on my desktop :o
[02:03] <daskreech> You keep your desk by an open window?
[02:04] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: i got the ksmserver error when trying to install kdebase-workspace-data
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:05] <gribelu> hmm? konqueror-kde4: Depends: kdebase-data (>= 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2) but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 is installed.
[02:05] <JontheEchidna> ^most likely nixternal forgot to change it to kdebase-data-kde4
[02:06] <gribelu> damn it
[02:07] <DreadKnight> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop', which is also in package ksmserver
[02:07] <DreadKnight> ...
[02:07] <DreadKnight> same error as that dude smarter had
[02:09] <DreadKnight> shouldn't there be a session manager for kde4? :-)
[02:09] <DreadKnight> ksmserver-kde4 xD
[02:10] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: help xD
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> uh
[02:11] <DreadKnight> ksmserver issue :D
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you could override dpkg and overwrite that file
[02:12]  * DreadKnight is a noob
[02:12] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if you want to though
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> because that's probably why I don't have a way to log in to KDE through the gui
[02:13] <DreadKnight> lol
[02:13] <DreadKnight> this needs to be taken care of
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> Hopefully nxiternal will return soon...
[02:14] <DreadKnight> yeah
[02:14] <DreadKnight> after a good night sleep :D
[02:15] <DreadKnight> JontheEchidna: how do you select the session when logging in without GUI ?
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> you would press crtl alt f1 to get you to a terminal
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> log in
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> then run startx
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> or startkde
[02:16] <DreadKnight> well, the problem when i do that is that i end up in kde3 (with startx)
[02:17] <DreadKnight> hmm
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> hey... are the packages in?
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> sorta
[02:31] <JontheEchidna> I got lucky and forced them into submission, but you're looking at serious problems trying to install them
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> GOOD!
[02:32]  * DaSkreech has decided
[02:32]  * nosrednaekim goes to get them
[02:32] <DaSkreech> I will wait till post 4.0.5 to install 4.1
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> JontheEchidna:  the kde4 ppa, right?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> right, the same one we used for Gutsy kde4 packages
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> ok... removing all my old kde4 packages
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> that should smooth things
[02:37] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: erm... my actuall problem is with a package used in kde3 as well i think
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> well, we shall see
[02:37]  * DreadKnight wishes you luck
[02:38] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: how do you manage to remove all kde4 packages in a simple matter?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: well, its not fool proof, but I searched "kde4" in adept, unchecked installabale packages and then removed in one swipe
[02:40] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: You know you can filter on installed packages right ?
[02:40] <DreadKnight> you would do more damage removing the base libraryes from the start
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: thats what I mean...
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> DreadKnight: true
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> yep... I see the problem
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> konqueror-kde4:
[02:42] <nosrednaekim>   Depends: kdebase-data (>=4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2) but 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7 is to be installed
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> something wrong with that konqueror package
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's depending on the kde3 package instead of the kde4 one
[02:44] <DreadKnight> that's one problem
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> I gotta force it in :P
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> the PPA's are awful slow though
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> I'm going to DL overnight.
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> later...
[04:35] <fale> hello
[04:36] <DreadKnight> any packager alive?
[04:37] <DreadKnight> guess not
[04:38] <fale> DreadKnight: are you still guessing about when kde4.1beta will be ready?
[04:38]  * Hobbsee is vaguely alive, but doesn't do much kde stuff anymore
[04:39] <DreadKnight> fale: it's pretty much done; i'm guessing in less than 24h everything will be setled down :-)
[04:39] <fale> Hobbsee: I took the right one, before :D
[04:39] <fale> DreadKnight: I think the right thing to do is be calm and as soon as the devs will have the packages will write a news on kubuntu.org
[04:40] <fale> DreadKnight: and if you don't ask they will use less time to create the packages ;)
[04:40] <DreadKnight> fale: we're ... not on the same wave it seems
[04:41] <fale> DreadKnight: maybe
[04:42] <DreadKnight> Hobbsee: so you can take care of an dependency issue on 4.1beta by any chance? a typing error rather..
[04:42]  * DaSkreech pokes Hobbsee with the stiKK
[04:42] <DreadKnight> :D
[04:42]  * Hobbsee pokes DaSkreech back
[04:43] <DreadKnight> poke ... mon
[04:44] <DaSkreech> How are you Hobbsee ?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> other than perforated?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> dealing with some merges, finally
[04:51] <DaSkreech> hi manchicken
[04:52] <manchicken> Howdy
[04:53] <DaSkreech> how are you?
[06:39] <mornfall> Brekeke.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Hi mornfall
[06:41] <mornfall> Morgen.
[06:46] <nixternal> oi
[06:47] <nixternal> oi
[06:51] <mornfall> yuriy: I have pushed a bunch of changes to Adept (and libept as well).
[06:51] <DaSkreech> :-D
[06:51]  * DaSkreech loves the adept
[06:52]  * nixternal loves the beer
[07:18] <nixternal> fixed kdebase and kdebase-workspace (workspace is finish up the builds right now)
[07:22]  * nixternal beds
[07:22]  * DaSkreech throws nixternal some (insert nixternal's shameful wants here)
[07:22] <nixternal> more beer?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> cd pub
[07:23] <DaSkreech> more beer
[07:23] <nixternal> if I get 1 more "any word on the kde4.1 packages" I am going to explode
[07:23] <DaSkreech> how about bytes ?
[07:23] <nixternal> I keep telling people, Word is in Microsoft, leave me alone :)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Werd
[07:23] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:24] <nixternal> I will work on finishing the rest of them tomorrow, or today, whatever the heck it is
[07:24] <DaSkreech> as long as they come out before 4.0.5
[07:24] <nixternal> by about a day
[07:24] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[07:24] <nixternal> there is a ton of work between 4.0.4 and 4.0.80
[07:24] <DaSkreech> So people can break the computer nicely
[07:24] <nixternal> everything, and I mean everything, has pretty much changed everywhere
[07:24] <DaSkreech> then go back to 4.0 and get a nice update
[07:25] <DaSkreech> I know it's grand isn't it? :)
[07:25] <nixternal> cdbs, control, *.install, *.installgen, patches/, rules, and then some
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Well
[07:25] <DaSkreech> not for you
[07:25] <DaSkreech> but ... for !nixternal
[07:25] <nixternal> it isn't to bad actually, I am just tired of the impatient
[07:26] <nixternal> tomorrow if anyone wants to help, speak up and we will work out some sharing love...but be warned, there is an ass ton to be done
[07:26] <nixternal> the rest should be fairly easy, but kdebase* was a pita
[07:27] <DaSkreech> I don't have a ton of ass :(
[07:27] <nixternal> I feel like it
[07:27]  * DaSkreech hugs nixternal
[07:27] <nixternal> I went out to my brothers house...he had a bonfire for the kids, so we cooked some hotdogs, smores, and then some...drink, drank, drunk
[07:28] <nixternal> I needed to get out..or risk blowing up my laptop
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Food and Liquor
[07:30] <nixternal> man, I never realised just how good a smore really is
[07:30] <nixternal> or a hotdog over an open fire
[07:31] <nixternal> oh well...I am going to bed for real this time
[07:31] <nixternal> g'nite
[07:32] <DaSkreech> night
[07:33] <Gnuton> hi
[10:07] <uga> anyone can tell why there are two separate ssh2 lib packages?
[10:07] <uga> libssh-2, and libssh2-1
[10:08] <uga> one says "A tiny C ssh library" and the other "ssh2 client-side library", but I believe both are same stuff
[10:08] <kuroryuu> uga: ones more compact?
[10:09] <uga> could be, I wonder why they don't point to the project urls or something =(
[10:09] <uga> or have in the name libtinyssh or so
[10:09] <uga> the "-1" doesn't really help
[10:10] <kuroryuu> uga: apt-cache show libssh-2
[10:10] <uga> uh-oh... so the -1 isn't coming from the standard repos?
[10:10] <uga> thanks, that may explain
[10:11] <uga> kuroryuu: is there a way to ask apt-cache what repository it found the package in?
[10:11] <kuroryuu> uga: says in the show output
[10:11] <kuroryuu> both are in universe apparently
[10:15] <uga> yes, it's confusing. I wonder if it's related to the later ssl changes
[10:16] <uga> kuroryuu: hehe, I think I figured out =)
[10:16] <uga> libssh-2, if I'm not wrong, is SSH
[10:17] <uga> while libssh2-1, SSH2
[10:18] <kuroryuu> I think they're just different implementations
[10:18] <kuroryuu> the libssh-2 website says it's version 0.2
[10:18] <uga> yes, and it never mentions ssh2
[10:19] <kuroryuu> on the site it also says ssh1 is supported, but disabled by default or somesuch
[10:19] <uga> kuroryuu: "current release changes" SSH-1 support (disabled by default)
[10:19] <uga> lol
[10:19] <uga> yes
[10:20] <uga> it sounds like I need libssh2-1 pack
[10:20] <uga> thanks
[10:20] <uga> ah no, silly
[10:20] <uga> the same url says "SSH2 and SSH1 protocol compliant"
[10:20] <uga> kuroryuu: I think I'll go nuts =)
[10:20] <kuroryuu> uga: sounds like a plan, lol
[10:21] <uga> maybe I should ask in #ubuntu-devel? =)
[10:21] <kuroryuu> wouldn't hurt
[10:47] <uga> kuroryuu:
[10:47] <uga> [11:43] <pusling> uga: the first one is libssh2 soname1 and the other one is libssh soname2
[10:47] <uga> [11:43] <pusling> uga: I guess you should blame the upstreams of those two difeferent projects for choosing so similar names ;)
[10:47] <uga> ubuntu-devel guys are clueless, and not too friendly I'd say ;)
[10:48] <uga> they pointed me to leave and go debian, when I pasted some debian urls
[10:48] <uga> (becuase packages.ubuntu.com is down)
[10:48] <uga> the packages were inherited from debian
[10:48] <uga> thankfully #kde-devel guys are friendlier ;)
[10:48] <kuroryuu> yeah
[10:49] <uga> it seem they are two separate projects with unfortuantely too similar names
[10:49] <Hobbsee> uga: you can't really blame them for not being there on a weekend, surely.
[10:49] <uga> no, I was blaming them for inviting me to leave the channel and go #debian ;)
[10:49] <uga> without even checking the packages I was referring to belong to ubuntu
[10:50] <uga> what could I do if packages.ubuntu.com is down ;)
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uga: you were lucky to get an answer at all.  anyone could be giving out answers.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> uga: that guy happens to be a contributor to universe.  only.
[10:50] <uga> heh
[10:50] <kuroryuu> well if the packages are straight from debian you could ask in #debian, just don't mention ubuntu, lol, they hate that
[10:51] <Hobbsee> uga: it's unwise to blame an entire team on one guy's response, *especially* if you have no idea if he's actually involved in the project or not.
[10:51] <uga> ok ok ok =)
[10:53] <Hobbsee> uga: unless you want to get attributed as "just another clueless user shooting his mouth off"
[10:53] <Hobbsee> or something
[10:55] <uga> Hobbsee: oh, that'd be a nicer adjective than one gets from debian devels at least =)
[10:56] <kuroryuu> one of the reasons I always liked gentoo better than debian though was this exact issue
[10:56] <kuroryuu> portage had better package names
[10:57] <uga> hey, but debian always releases new packages earlier
[10:57] <uga> see kdelibs5 already there!
[10:58] <kuroryuu> before portage you mean?
[10:58] <uga> yps
[10:58] <uga> yups
[10:58] <uga> I doubt you'll find kdelibs_5_ in portage
[10:58] <uga> maybe 4, but 5... =)
[10:59] <kuroryuu> portage builds from source, all you need is an ebuild and the moment it's released onto an ftp site somewhere you can install
[10:59] <uga> kuroryuu: lol, you aren't getting it
[10:59] <kuroryuu> apparently not, lol
[10:59] <uga> kdelibs5 in debian/kubuntu == kdelibs_4_ in gentoo =)
[11:00] <uga> stupid naming conventions in debian ;)
[11:00] <kuroryuu> ah, I see
[11:00] <kuroryuu> haven't really been paying as much attention to gentoo lately
[11:00] <uga> gentoo uses logical naming. it's kde4 so kdelibs_4
[11:00] <uga> but debian uses so versions, which is version 5
[11:01] <kuroryuu> I see
[11:01] <uga> that confuses a lot of users when they claim sometimes they installed kde5 =)
[11:01] <kuroryuu> lmao
[11:02] <kuroryuu> I love debian so, but I always have problems with their package naming, not to mention a lot of the apt commands are a bit cryptic at times
[11:02] <kuroryuu> in gentoo, emerge to install, emerge -s to search package name, emerge -S to search package description, emerge -u to update :P
[11:03] <kuroryuu> and the basic search lists version numbers, haven't figured out how to just get version numbers in apt without all the extra info they slap into apt-cache show
[11:04] <kuroryuu> besides grep Version :P lol
[11:08] <uga> heh
[11:14] <kuroryuu> is there a way to customize apt-cache search's output?
[12:04] <harolddong> when are the 4.1 beta packages going to be available?
[12:07] <seezer> harolddong: don't ask that or nixternal will eat you :)
[12:21] <wolfger> ... didn't we just get that update the other day?
[12:35] <nosrednaekim> whhooo! that konqueror-kde4 dep problem was fixed thanks whoever did that :P
[13:14]  * jussi01 should go report a konq-kde4 bug sometime... been a bit lazy recently though
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> jussi01: today is bug day IIRC
[13:16] <nosrednaekim> fo konqueror
[13:16] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: oh really? perhaps I should go tell them to fix the fact that kde4 konq doesnt open the full path in konsole when you hit f4
[13:17] <jussi01> nosrednaekim: can you confirm that for me?
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> nope
[13:17] <nosrednaekim> I just uninstalled all of 4.0.3 in preparation for 4.1 :P
[13:17] <jussi01> oh
[13:18] <jussi01> ok then. anyone else around that can test/confirm?
[13:25] <gribelu> jussi01: so what you mean is: open folder in konq -> hit f4 -> check path?
[13:25] <jussi01> gribelu: correct
[13:26] <gribelu> ya.. always goes to ~
[13:26] <gribelu> at least for me
[13:26] <jussi01> ok, Im off for a bit, Ill see answers when I get back
[13:26] <gribelu> using 4.0.80 :p
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> gribelu: from the PPA?
[13:26] <gribelu> yes
[13:26] <nosrednaekim> I'm try to get it now.... so awful slow :(
[13:27] <gribelu> i had many dependency issues while installing
[13:27] <gribelu> had to dpkg -i many of the packages
[13:27] <gribelu> --force-all too :)
[13:27] <nosrednaekim> :)
[13:28] <gribelu> then again i had kde 4.0.4 installed, and kde3
[13:28] <gribelu> some packages install manuals in the same location as kde3
[16:19] <santiago-ve> nixternal, ping
[16:34] <nixternal> santiago-ve: pong?
[16:37] <santiago-ve> nixternal, who's the person in charge of the website (kubuntu.org)
[16:38] <santiago-ve> i wanna halp :p
[16:38] <gnomefreak> santiago-ve: nixternal and or Riddell and or doc team
[16:38] <DreadKnight> nixternal: i'm on 4.1b; had to remove ksmserver and home & root directories are sort of swapped/messed up...
[16:40] <nixternal> santiago-ve: Riddell would be in charge, but ryanakca was doing all the work on the updates that I know of
[16:40] <nixternal> DreadKnight: what's messed up about them?
[16:42] <DreadKnight> nixternal: for example in the startmenu, when moving cursor over computer(places)/home, you get "/root" as description
[16:42] <nixternal> cool
[16:43] <DreadKnight> nixternal: clicking on it opens dolphin to some fake root folder that looks like a default user home folder...
[16:43] <DreadKnight> the whole thing is bugged..
[16:44] <DreadKnight> and i have no GUI login screen since i had to remove ksmserver xD
[16:44] <nixternal> groovy
[16:44] <DreadKnight> konversation reffused to work at first.. had to delete settings
[16:45] <DreadKnight> and i can't manage to run warcraft3 for some reason xD
[16:46] <DreadKnight> i wish konqueror-kde4 would get a seach engine box thingy like opensuse has... or firefox..
[16:48] <nixternal> DreadKnight: do you know why you had to remove ksmserver?
[16:48] <nixternal> DreadKnight: the url bar in konqi is that search box
[16:49] <DreadKnight> nixternal: kdebase-workspace-data couldn't get installed or something... not sure
[16:51] <DreadKnight> nixternal: http://pastebin.com/d510f429d
[16:51] <DreadKnight> kdebase-workspace-bin actually
[16:52] <DreadKnight> still not the same thing about konqueror :-( i doubt my mother or father would write google:.... in the address bar each time.. heh
[16:53] <DreadKnight> i usually ctrl + L, then Tab and write ... and Enter
[16:57] <nixternal> DreadKnight: you don't have to type google, just set the default search enging to google, and the bar becomes the same as a search bar
[16:57] <nixternal> or you could do gg:foo
[16:59] <DreadKnight> nixternal: hehe, was looking for the 'gg:' shortway
[17:00] <DreadKnight> i also don't have icons for the categories from applications xD
[17:00] <DreadKnight> oh well
[17:02] <DreadKnight> nixternal: cool, i've managed to set that up; i got each option from the default search engine like 3 times.... heh
[17:03] <nixternal> installing kubuntu-kde4-desktop now, then will do an update to see how it works and see what issues I get so I can fix them before going on to the other modules
[17:04] <DreadKnight> cool
[17:23] <gnuton> Hi there
[17:23] <OculusAquilae> hi
[17:24] <gnuton> hey OculusAquilae
[17:24] <OculusAquilae> hi gnuton
[17:26]  * OculusAquilae is looking on kubuntu.org to see if kde 4.1 beta packages are available
[17:27] <bdgraue> do you guys really prefer ozone over oxygen?
[17:30] <mhb> bdgraue: I think it
[17:30] <mhb> it's an upstream issue
[17:31] <bdgraue> mhb: upstream issue, what does that mean?
[17:32] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: that the KDE project prefers ozone?
[17:33] <bdgraue> in trunk is oxyen not ozone
[17:34] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: wheree does kubuntu use ozone?
[17:34] <bdgraue> i installed the ppa-packages and removed all kde4-configs and had ozone as default
[17:35] <OculusAquilae> ppa-packages ? the 4.1 beta ones?
[17:35] <bdgraue> yes
[17:35] <OculusAquilae> where are they?
[17:36] <bdgraue> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4
[17:36] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: any issues?
[17:37] <bdgraue> there are not all packages made i think
[17:37] <bdgraue> only rudimentary stuff
[17:37] <maltedik> i spent some time at the kde-booth at linuxtag and there was no word shed about ozone
[17:37] <OculusAquilae> any problems with it? compatibility with the old packages for games/edu?
[17:38] <OculusAquilae> or are these deleted?
[17:38] <bdgraue> i removed everything old before i installed the beta
[17:38] <OculusAquilae> so I'll better wait until it is complete
[17:39] <OculusAquilae> it's to risky for me because this is the only installation working atm
[17:39]  * OculusAquilae doesn't want to destroy his only connection to the internet
[17:43] <DreadKnight> i love the new krunner xD
[17:44] <bdgraue> i like the idea, but i dont like the color of the icons
[17:45] <bdgraue> some work to do i think
[17:45] <DreadKnight> i don't manage to close kopete-kde4 and to launch warcraft3 xD
[17:45] <DreadKnight> (some of the most scarry issues
[17:51] <bdgraue> http://nuno-icons.com/images/estilo/imagefolders2.png  i like this one
[17:59] <OculusAquilae> bdgraue: indeed
[18:13] <DreadKnight> bdgraue: is that a mockup or what?
[18:14] <bdgraue> yes it is
[18:14] <DreadKnight> looks nice
[18:14] <DreadKnight> one thing... i preffer a gap betwen the close button and the rest
[18:14] <DreadKnight> less accidental closing xD
[18:14] <JontheEchidna> That was a nice addition
[18:15] <bdgraue> DreadKnight: tell that pinheiro ;)
[18:15] <DreadKnight> :) i will
[18:15] <DreadKnight> vista made the close button damn bigger xD
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> ha, easier to hit accidentally
[18:15] <bdgraue> vist what?
[18:15] <DreadKnight> :>
[18:16] <jjesse_> i see freenode is still having problems
[18:17] <DreadKnight> aqua is somewhat silly too (from apple mac), most button round and coloured, i think color blind people can't even tell betwen the maximize and close button
[18:17] <DreadKnight> *s
[18:26] <jpds> jjesse_: such as?
[18:27] <jjesse_> jpds: still having a very slow load on channel joins, not seeing any users in the user sesction and very very slow response from nickserv
[18:27] <jjesse_> started at least for me on saturday
[18:27] <jpds> hmm
[18:27] <jjesse_> i tried to join #ubuntu-bugs 5 minutes ago and its not showing up
[18:28] <Daskreech> MOrning
[18:28] <jjesse_> morning dascreech
[18:30] <jpds> jjesse_: well, I'm in 37 different channels... so, I can't tell.
[18:30] <jjesse_> i'm seeing Daskreech now because i was on when he joined
[18:46] <Daskreech> hi jjesse_ :)
[18:46] <jjesse_> hello dascrekk
[18:46] <jjesse_> dang it
[18:46] <jjesse_> still having problems
[18:46] <jjesse_> grumble
[18:46] <jjesse_> hello dskreech
[18:47] <jjesse_> this is frustrating, seems like i can only join this channel?
[18:50] <Daskreech> I see you on 5 chans
[18:51] <jjesse_> which 5?
[18:51] <jjesse_> i don't see any but this
[18:52] <Daskreech> Now you are on one
[18:53] <jjesse_> this is frustrating
[18:53] <jjesse_> gotta figure out what has changed since i used this last
[18:53] <Daskreech> #kde-docs #ubuntu-doc #kubuntu-devel #Altiris #ubuntu-bugs
[18:53] <Daskreech> those were the 5
[18:54] <jjesse_> thanks
[18:56] <jjesse_> ah that's better
[18:57] <Daskreech> Still see you on only one :)
[18:59] <Daskreech> Now I see you on nothing :)
[18:59] <jjesse> mok fianlly figured it out
[18:59] <jjesse> ok :)
[19:01] <Daskreech> What was it?
[19:02] <jjesse> i have no idea, something in the connection with trillian i think
[19:03]  * apachelogger stumbles in
[19:04]  * Daskreech catches apachelogger
[19:04] <apachelogger> aye, thx
[19:04] <apachelogger> is beta1 released yet?
[19:05] <apachelogger> apparently not
[19:08] <Daskreech> apachelogger: Shhhhhh
[19:09] <apachelogger> I am wondering whether I can release neon+kde before beta1 packages hit the hardy heron ;-)
[19:09]  * Daskreech gets a pretty girl to hold up the handekerchief and drop it
[19:26]  * Daskreech rusltes jjesse's hair
[19:27] <jjesse> :)
[19:28] <jjesse> hrmm vms are really killing this machine :(
[19:29] <Daskreech> apt-get remove vrms
[19:29] <jjesse> i wish can't due to work stuff being done on them
[19:30] <Daskreech> on rms?
[19:30] <jjesse> work stuff is being done on the vms
[19:33] <Daskreech> Oh Vms
[19:33] <Daskreech> I saw vrms
[19:35] <Daskreech> I know he can be insistent but I couldn't see how he was killing your machine unless you were running KDE on Windows :)
[19:39] <jjesse> :)
[19:39] <jjesse> sorry bout that, yes virtual machines
[19:40] <Daskreech> I have been thinking of getting one running
[19:40] <Daskreech> I want the new VMware though
[19:41] <Daskreech> don't know if it's being backported
[19:41] <jjesse> vmware 6 or is there a newer one?
[19:41] <Daskreech> There was a new release like 4 days after buntu shipped which had a huge update
[19:41] <jjesse> ah
[19:52] <Tonio_> hi
[19:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently working on kdesudo kde4 fyi
[19:52] <Daskreech> 8.10 might ship with 4.0.3 ?
[19:52] <Daskreech> Tonio_: do you find that the sudo doesn't know about KDE4 binaries?
[19:56] <Tonio_> Daskreech: that'll change once kde4 is in /usr/
[19:56] <Tonio_> Daskreech: atm it is possible to export the PATH in your /etc/environment
[19:57] <Daskreech> I know it's just the path
[19:58] <Tonio_> Daskreech: so as kde4 is going in /usr for intrepid, that's not an issue ;)
[19:58] <nixternal> howdy Tonio_!
[19:58] <Tonio_> hey nixternal
[19:59] <Daskreech> Tonio_: plus the path also has doubled separators :)
[20:01] <nixternal> Tonio_: I CC'd you on my core-dev app thinking you had uploaded some of my main crack in the past..hope I was correct in including you and I apologize if I included you and you didn't upload any of my main crack :)
[20:18] <nixternal> ok, I set kdebase-bin-kde4 to conflict with konqueror-kde4 << ${source:Version}
[20:18] <nixternal> so that should fix the current kdebase-kde4 stuff
[20:18] <nixternal> as for the kwin-kde4 stuff, I renamed kwin-kde4 to kde-window-manager and made it conflict|replace with kwin-kde4, and also made the 2 new lib packages to conflict with kwin-kde4
[20:19] <nixternal> so that should fix those problems
[20:19] <jjesse> wow sounds crayz ;)
[20:19] <jjesse> crazy
[20:21] <nixternal> ya, I am trying to take everything from the Intrepid packages, but the Intrepid packages overwrite anything remotely related to KDE, so we can't have that in Hardy
[20:23] <jjesse> wow
[20:24] <jjesse> out to buy groceryies so i can  eat the rest of the week
[20:24] <nixternal> hehe
[20:51] <apachelogger> Mez: nothing's more awesome than a nice icecream cluster @ a fair :D
[20:58]  * Daskreech throws popcorn at DreadKnight
[20:59] <DreadKnight> lol
[20:59] <DreadKnight> hey
[20:59] <DreadKnight> :-)
[21:48] <yao_ziyuan> does anyone care about firefox 3's ugly tabs under kubuntu's kde theme-ization?
[21:51] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu applies the current kde style to GTK+ applications. when it comes to firefox 3, web page tabs are drawn in a broken manner.
[21:54] <apachelogger> *thumbs up*
[22:10] <gnuton> Hi