[07:50] <sacarde> hi
[07:50] <sacarde> can you suggest me a driver for webcam ID: 10f1:1a08 ?
[08:59] <sacarde> can you suggest me a driver for webcam ID: 10f1:1a08 ?
[12:03] <gsedej_work> Hello! Does anyone know if there is some big change from kenrel 3.12 to 3.13 reguarding ACPI (laptop hot keys)? From 3.13 on, power button on my EeePC 1101HA does not work anymore. More info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219864&p=13096245#post13096245
[14:03] <apw> gsedej_work, you likely should file a bug against the package linux (the kernel) in launchpad
[14:04] <apw> and put all that information in it, if you have a bracket like that working not working a bisect can find it
[14:05] <apw> rtg, on that hyper-v stackola i have a pile for each of trusty and utopic sorted, i'll get utlemming to test them before i send them in
[14:06] <rtg> apw, ack. this is packaging week for trusty
[14:07] <apw> rtg, i don't think it is a rush, so if it misses this one, *shrug*
[15:28] <jsalisbury> **
[15:28] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:28] <jsalisbury> **
[16:54] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:54] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes - in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:54] <jsalisbury> ##
[19:05] <rtg> dannf, have you ever talked to chiluk about their hotfix helper ? I think they've solved the version issues that you're encountering.
[19:06] <dannf> rtg: i haven't
[19:06] <dannf> chiluk: got some info?
[19:06] <chiluk> dannf can you restate what you are trying to accomplish?
[19:07] <rtg> I think he wants versions that fit between distro release versions
[19:07] <dannf> chiluk: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2014-August/047617.html (skip down to the 1-5 list)
[19:11] <chiluk> dannf take a look at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cts-engineering/cts-engineering/cts-platform-tools/files/head:/kernel/
[19:11] <chiluk> let me know if you don't have access.
[19:11] <chiluk> I'm still reading through your e-mail.
[19:12] <dannf> chiluk: no access
[19:13] <chiluk> dannf try now.
[19:13] <chiluk> and welcome to cts-engineering ;)
[19:14] <chiluk> basically we get around your abi issue by disabling abi checks for our hotfix kernels.
[19:15] <dannf> ah
[19:15] <chiluk> also we version using ~ and + after the ubuntu version string.
[19:15] <dannf> yeah - i've found it useful to keep the abi checking, because sometimes we're building modules that need to load in existing d-i
[19:16] <chiluk> + is newer than ~ is older than.
[19:16] <rtg> dkms is the bane of my existence
[19:16] <dannf> ~ *and* +?
[19:16] <dannf> oh, one or the other - gotchya
[19:16] <dannf> yeah, that's what i'd expect
[19:17] <dannf> chiluk: sorry for the internal link, but https://wiki.canonical.com/CDO/Hyperscale/KernelMaintenance
[19:18] <chiluk> dannf... I just checked actually we are not using + and ~ for kernel packages.
[19:18] <chiluk> instead we version like so.. 3.13.0-32.57hf70318v20140801b1
[19:18] <dannf> rtg: ^ btw - i was wondering about moving that content somewhere public, if there's not already a public equivalent, for how to create ubuntu-y commits
[19:18] <chiluk> hf=hotfix... then internal bug.. then external bug... then build number.
[19:19] <dannf> chiluk: heh - i thought that was a commit hash
[19:19] <chiluk> but dannf not that fancy.. but much more useful.
[19:19] <chiluk> especially in my line of work.
[19:19] <dannf> rtg: of course, i'm making up the policy based on what i've seen, dont' really know what ya'lls rules iz
[19:21] <rtg> dannf, my only rule is, "Don't cause regressions" :)
[19:21] <chiluk> right.. dannf ideally we would follow the same process for hotfix and test kernels .
[19:21] <rtg> chiluk, except for the whole ABI and DKMS issue....
[19:22] <chiluk> well i guess that's up to the developer not to screw that up.
[19:25] <rtg> chiluk, non-sequitur - looking at your dcache branch. the only patch missing is up through 3.16 is 'vfs: add cross-rename' which I don't think is necessary. Agreed ?
[19:26] <rtg> or rather, the only patch up through 3.16 _not_ on your branch is 'vfs: add cross-rename'
[19:40] <chiluk> rtg correct... it's also the only patch that doesn't touch dcache_shrink_list or it's related locking.
[19:40] <rtg> chiluk, cool. lemme know how your testing goes.
[19:43] <rtg> dannf, do you know for sure that DKMS will correctly detect an ABI change with the 2 field scheme you are proposing ?
[19:43] <dannf> rtg: right, that's why i started the commit with commands showing that the results are the same
[19:44] <dannf> rtg: i don't - dkms isn't something i deal with. but if it breaks w/ the 2 field, that shouldn't regress anything
[19:44] <rtg> dannf, so if you change your minor ABI number it _won't_ trigger a DKMS rebuild ?
[19:44] <dannf> well, i'd hope it *would* trigger a DKMS rebuild, but i haven't tried it
[19:45] <rtg> dannf, if it doesn't, then what good is the minor ABI number ? you could just as easily add skip_abi to your build.
[19:45] <dannf> rtg: d-i compat
[19:45] <rtg> and version appropriately
[19:46] <dannf> for example, with the x-gene sata changes, we needed to verify that the sata driver worked at install time.
[19:47] <dannf> beacuse the abi was the same (and verifiably so), i could extrat that module and cat it to the d-i initrd
[19:47] <dannf> now, if things break, i could just skipabi and move on
[19:47] <dannf> things == my changes break the abi
[19:48] <dannf> but i've had customers building modules to test, etc - nice not to make those suddenly stop working
[19:49] <rtg> dannf, so these aren't DKMS modules, but just straightforward externally built modules ?
[19:50] <dannf> right. though i suspect it'd be a useful feature for chiluk et al if there's a case where they have a DKMS customer who needs to temporarily branch from ubuntu but resync later
[19:50] <dannf> but that doesn't sound like a case they've needed to handle yet
[19:51] <dannf> rtg: honestly, i'd be happiest if ubuntu just didn't use the abi number in the package version, but i guess there's a reason for that
[19:52] <dannf> nothing technically wrong with e.g. linux-image-3.13.0-33-generic_3.13.0-58_arm64.deb
[19:52] <rtg> dannf, the ABI number provides for a unique binary package name which allows you to have multiple kernels installed.
[19:52] <dannf> rtg: i understand that - but that doesn't mean it has to be in the version
[19:53] <dannf> you could have both linux-image-3.13.0-33-generic_3.13.0-58 and linux-image-3.13.0-34-generic_3.13.0-59 installed at the same time
[19:53] <rtg> dannf, its _not_ in the version, its part of the binary package name.
[19:53] <dannf> it is in the version.
[19:53] <dannf> that's where the existing packaging extracts it from
[19:54] <dannf> linux-image-3.13.0-33_3.13.0->>33<<.59
[19:54] <rtg> rather, the ABI is also in the version as well as the package name.
[19:54] <dannf> right - and that's what makes it a pain to do "normal" branch versions
[19:55] <rtg> well, we're gonna have to deal with it 'cause it ain't gonna change
[19:55] <dannf> rtg: i assuemd that was true, thus my hacky patch :)
[19:56] <dannf> if i thought you'd take a patch to drop the abi from the version i'd have done that first :)
[19:56] <dannf> though tbh i don't understand why it is that way
[19:57] <dannf> maybe easier to map back to a package version given just an oops message?
[19:58] <rtg> dannf, so I'm EOD. Lemme think about this some more. I'm trying to think through the implications for your packaging as well as mine.
[19:58] <rtg> I think I understand your use case though
[19:58] <dannf> rtg: understood, and no rush on my part - i just keep this patch in all my trees
[19:59] <dannf> though of course i'd like to shed it/share it eventually


[09:06] <Bernstein> Hi everyone guys
[09:40] <Bernstein> Do any of you knows when 16.04 will be officially released?
[09:40] <Bernstein> I downloaded the beta2 and I don't know if to install it or not...
[09:45] <darkxst> Bernstein, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[09:46] <Bernstein> Tha k
[09:47] <Bernstein> Thank you
[09:47] <darkxst> it should be pretty stable already
[09:48] <Bernstein> So I can install it and then update it on 21st april?
[09:49] <darkxst> it will update automatically, just make you install available updates!
[09:49] <Bernstein> Thank you very much, you've been very useful!
[14:54] <lindol> hi all
[16:48] <crash_> hi
[19:48] <ernstp> I created a quick and dirty epiphany 3.20.1 package if anyone's interested: https://launchpad.net/~ernstp/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=epiphany&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=


 Happy Thursday, and happy Conflict Resolution Day! 😃
[09:32] <diddledan> dare I try turning my phone on yet?
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: How else are the black helicopters going to find you?
[09:36] <diddledan> lol
[09:37] <diddledan> I washing-machined it last night so it's been sat in a bag of rice since midnight
[09:37] <foobarry> give it another 12 hrs
[09:37] <diddledan> I'm thinking I probably ruined it
[09:37] <foobarry> was it on or off
[09:37] <diddledan> roger
[09:37] <diddledan> I think it was on :-(
[09:38] <foobarry> oh
[09:38] <diddledan> yeah
[09:39] <diddledan> totes sucky
[10:03] <arsen_> why do people fiddle with things like sar, its not until you actually need it you realise someones randomly touched the granularity
[10:21] <blackcrocodile> #datadog
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> and black helicopters are useless in urban environment... it's anonymous white vans in those locations...
[10:41] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: according to spooks and 24 an anonymous white van invariably means bomb
[10:41] <diddledan> and an anonymous black van is the spies
[10:42] <zmoylan-pi> so who drives the grey vans then?!
[10:42] <diddledan> electricians
[10:43] <diddledan> (like my bruvva)
[10:43] <zmoylan-pi> and are black vans the good spies or the bad spies?
[10:43] <diddledan> I think that depends on whether they're wearing balaclavas or not
[10:44] <zmoylan-pi> the cool balaclavas or the uncool balaclavas... ::copies 'i went down' to media player for later::
[10:49] <diddledan> I wasn't aware there were two types
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> watch that movie and learn :-)
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> if you don't laugh i'll owe you a euro which is a lot these days :-P
[10:51] <diddledan> I don't know what the euro-to-pound ratio is these days
[12:10] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I'm trying to set up a VPN client, but I don't want to send all traffic through it. I want to bind applications to the VPN interface so I can pick and choose which application goes through the VPN. I tried adding route-noexec to my config file, which stops all my traffic going through the VPN, but when I try and send some traffic through it (eg curl --interface tun0) it just hangs, I think it's something to do with routes. Any ideas?
[12:15] <diddledan> Azelphur: google fu for you might be "split routing"
[12:15] <Azelphur> I see
[12:16] <diddledan> the way I've done it before is to use openvpn and add a route script rather than letting ovpn configure for me. in my script I set the destinations I want to go through the vpn with the private vpn ip of the vpn's router
[12:17] <diddledan> e.g. route add <destination> gw <vpn router ip> dev <vpn interface>
[12:20] <Azelphur> Hmm, you definitely understand this more than I do :)
[12:20] <Azelphur> But what do you mean by destination?
[12:20] <diddledan> destination is the ip or network you want to access through the vpn
[12:23] <Azelphur> diddledan: what if I want to access the whole internet via the VPN, not just a specific IP? I just want to specify the bind interface in the application
[12:23] <Azelphur> eg by default everything goes through eth0, but I can run curl --interface tun0 and have that go through the VPN
[12:24] <diddledan> no idea. I don't think that's possible
[12:24] <Azelphur> really? I would have thought that would be easy >.<
[12:24] <Azelphur> My dedicated server has multiple interfaces (just not VPN ones) and curl --interface works fine
[12:24] <diddledan> if the application supports a bind-ip concept then you can ask the applicatino to bind to your vpn ip
[12:25] <Azelphur> that's exactly what I'm after
[12:25] <Azelphur> curl supports it because it has the --interface option
[12:26] <diddledan> alternatively you could set-up a proxy server which you configure apps you want to go via the vpn to use, and apps you don't want vpnified you leave without proxy configuration
[12:26] <Azelphur> diddledan: is that like a SOCKS proxy? won't work because I need incoming traffic (a port forward on the VPN server side)
[12:39] <diddledan> my new facebook banner and icon/photo :-) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/A8EclK9h/Capture.PNG
[12:40]  * zmoylan-pi reports diddledan for having a beard and the bomb in his profile pic...
[12:40] <diddledan> haha
[12:40] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: durka durka muhammed jihad
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> be careful, you're just 1 casio watch away from a free cuban holiday :-P
[12:41] <diddledan> \o/
[12:41] <diddledan> I like the sunshine
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> black bag over the head creates terrible tan lines
[12:47] <diddledan> this looks awesome: https://youtu.be/yGtVJ48GMAI
[12:51] <Azelphur> diddledan: tried TorGuard support, not all that helpful :(
[12:51] <Azelphur> "Thank you for contacting us, problem with vpn that once you disable route-nopull you need to add route .... for hostname either destination or source for it to work, binding torrent app will not do anything other than breaking deluge as vpn is not going to route any traffic. You can alternatively setup proxy on deluge level if you only need deluge to be protected."
[12:52] <Azelphur> I notice he says either destination or source, could I not add a route with the source of tun0 to go out into the world?
[13:04]  * arsen_ has a casio watch :<
[13:06] <diddledan> :-o
[13:07] <diddledan> apparently USB cufflinks are terrorist paraphernalia
[14:18] <diddledan> nintendo's new thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5uik5fgIaI
[14:31] <Azelphur> diddledan: my used goods adventures continue, I just bought a perfectly good laptop for £4.70
[14:31] <Azelphur> needs a new CMOS battery, that's all I can see that is wrong with it
[14:31] <diddledan> :-o
[14:31] <Azelphur> T2330 @ 1.6ghz, 2GB RAM, DVDRW, what's not to like
[15:17] <diddledan> the bbc series currently in progress called "the missing" it gut wrenching
[15:23] <diddledan> also, the fall is pretty engrossing
[17:49] <daftykins> diddledan: seems like a trend for names called "The <something>" :)
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> i have quite a few movies called 'the $insertname' so it's not really new
[17:50] <daftykins> but this is series :>
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> shirely you are been series?
[17:52] <daftykins> :D
[18:04] <diddledan> someone who has been working on WordPress in another channel asked what I thought of https://beta.getshifter.io/ - it looks like a load of marketing waffle about nothing
[18:04] <diddledan> "serverless" balliarics!
[18:07] <diddledan> also, westworld is epic
[18:07] <diddledan> (thinking about tv)
[18:09] <ali1234> wordpress to static html isn't a new idea
[18:09] <ali1234> however a tool that makes it super simple might be a success
[18:10] <diddledan> I kinda think it pointless when there are other things that do a much better job
[18:10] <ali1234> they might do a better job but they require you to be a wordpress expert to use them
[18:11] <zmoylan-pi> but if you have a background in wordpress it might scratch an itch
[18:11] <ali1234> which is fine for you and me
[18:11] <ali1234> but not for the general public...
[18:11] <diddledan> no, I mean things other than WordPress do a better job at creating a static html site
[18:11] <ali1234> i don't think there is any better blogging platform for ease of use
[18:13] <ali1234> i can give someone a wordpress site and they can happily make pages all day even though they know nothing about computers
[18:27] <daftykins> hrmm CPU issues in vmware workstation with 16.10!
[18:28] <daftykins> don't even get a desktop
[18:41] <diddledan> why do shoot-outs always happen at high-noon?
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> nobody had watches
[18:42] <daftykins> gotta see your opponent the best!
[18:48] <foobarry> so you don't waste your money eating lunch if u gonna die
[18:48] <foobarry> but probably the other reasons
[18:49] <foobarry> less shadows , if sun is overhead nobody can complain sun got in their eyes
[18:50] <foobarry> except this is a movie construct and probably never happened outside of a clint eastwood film anyway
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> depends on the latitude ;-)
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> there were duels but insanely rare aiui
[19:12] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I like my beef insanely rare :-p
[19:13] <diddledan> obviously I'm kidding about the insanity
[20:02] <daftykins> https://youtu.be/gmA6MrX81z4 - Red Dead Redemption 2, wow that world looks detailed
[22:13] <diddledan> so my phone is gone the way of the dodo
[22:13] <diddledan> it's dead jim
[22:14] <diddledan> and definitely as we know it
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> clubbed to death by sailors?
[22:14] <diddledan> close. washing machine.
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> was it a samsung washing machine? :-)
[22:14] <daftykins> did you have it down to the bare boards in the rice?
[22:15] <diddledan> I don't know how to get into it, even if I had the tools
[22:15] <daftykins> what is it?
[22:15] <diddledan> nexus 5x
[22:15] <daftykins> rice isn't gonna work just on the outside i think
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> was...
[22:16] <daftykins> ah no way, i just got one :>
[22:16] <diddledan> lol
[22:16] <diddledan> and lol
[22:16] <daftykins> i just charged it for the second time, took just under 2hrs from 8%
[22:17] <diddledan> at least my mac is repaired now. gonna pick it up either tomorrow or saturday
[22:17] <diddledan> prolly pop into town tomoz
[22:17] <diddledan> they're charging me 79 for it
[22:17] <daftykins> don't wash it!
[22:17] <diddledan> awww
[22:18] <daftykins> ah that's more like what i expected
[22:18] <diddledan> that was gonna be my first job when I got it home
[22:18] <daftykins> i see the cult are unleashing their new wave on the 27th after all
[22:18] <daftykins> :D
[22:18] <diddledan> yup
[22:18] <daftykins> once you found a clothing item with the largest possible pocket
[22:18] <diddledan> week today
[22:21] <daftykins> sad news about the ESA's Schiaparelli probe eh? :(
[22:21] <daftykins> doesn't seem good
[22:23] <diddledan> yeah :-(
[22:23] <diddledan> sad face
[22:23] <zmoylan-pi> wether we bring you the weather on mars depends on the next probe due in a few years.
[22:24] <zmoylan-pi> see if a mars rover had a decent arm with a swiss army knife and soldering kit it could find the impact site and rebuild it... :-)
[22:25] <daftykins> this is embarassing - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/20/britain_asks_america_legal_help_new_aircraft_carriers_f35/
[22:25] <diddledan> tell me the weather whenever and wherever the weather is
[22:25] <daftykins> whether it be gloomy or not
[22:25] <diddledan> d'oh, I coulda put a whether in there after wherever
[22:26] <daftykins> whereas you missed out, yus ;)
[22:26] <diddledan> lol
[22:26] <diddledan> touché
[22:27] <zmoylan-pi> the uk should buy russian 4th generation aircraft... just a few so 50% of the fighters from russia, 50% from usa so at least you know half will work when you need to attack one of them
[22:27] <diddledan> lol
[22:27] <daftykins> they work, just need a few tens of reboots before they get going...
[22:27] <diddledan> they might have backdoors
[22:28] <zmoylan-pi> might...
[22:29] <diddledan> mike might mightily make munchies
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> backdoors wrapped in critical security faults wrapped in software from cheapest bidder
[22:29] <diddledan> say that three times fast
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> backdoors wrapped in critical security faults wrapped in software from cheapest bidder
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> backdoors wrapped in critical security faults wrapped in software from cheapest bidder x 2
[22:29] <diddledan> grr
[22:29] <diddledan> :-p
[22:30] <zmoylan-pi> i typed it, honest :-P
[22:30] <diddledan> no fur!
[22:37] <zmoylan-pi> or just install linux on the f35s :-P
[22:37] <diddledan> linux is communist propaganda though
[22:38] <daftykins> so how about that new Nintendo Switch eh? there's a funky hybrid
[22:38] <diddledan> meh
[22:39] <zmoylan-pi> if it has the samem eula as the wii u were they reserve the right to brick it if you attach non nintendo hardware pre dooms it i suspect
[22:39] <diddledan> gotta love remote brick creation
[22:42] <daftykins> heh
[22:43] <daftykins> diddledan: hackers do that all the time
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> and updates from manufacturers
[23:00] <daftykins> never! :>
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> some of them seem to think that mundane updates should introduce some excitment into the whole... will it work or not afterwards...
[23:30] <daftykins> nn folks \o
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well o/
[23:33] <diddledan> nn


[07:50] <gtriderxc> HI!
[07:51] <gtriderxc> I've got such a string:
[07:51] <gtriderxc> Copy text
[07:51] <gtriderxc> music;songs;play;tracks;player;tunes;
[07:51] <gtriderxc> why is it biult this way?
[07:51] <gtriderxc> *built
[07:58] <gtriderxc> kelemengabor
[07:58] <gtriderxc> HI!
[07:58] <gtriderxc> can You help me?
[08:04] <trijntje> gtriderxc: those are tags the unity dash uses to search for applications
[08:04] <gtriderxc> one more question
[08:04] <gtriderxc> I just started ubuntu phone emulator
[08:05] <gtriderxc> a window opened
[08:05] <gtriderxc> and all i have is a circle
[08:05] <gtriderxc> "no data source available"
[08:05] <gtriderxc> I can't do anything
[08:05] <gtriderxc> the phone doesn't respond
[08:06] <gtriderxc> it behaves just like an .jpg image
[08:06] <trijntje> I'm not sure about that, I haven't tried the emulator. dpm will know though
[08:06] <gtriderxc> it doesn't beheve at all :)
[08:06] <gtriderxc> *behave
[08:06] <gtriderxc> ok thanks! one more queston
[08:07] <gtriderxc> music;songs;play;tracks;player;tunes;
[08:07] <gtriderxc> what are "tunes"?
[08:07] <gtriderxc> in this context?
[08:08] <trijntje> its just another word for song/track
[08:08] <gtriderxc> ok thanks :)
[08:08] <trijntje> you don't have to translate the tags literaly, but think about your language
[08:08] <trijntje> if you have 5 different words for song or music, you add them all
[08:09] <trijntje> gtriderxc: btw, you should probably hang around in this channel a while, David should show up and he knows about the phone emulator
[08:10] <gtriderxc> ok i'll wait
[08:10] <gtriderxc> thx 4 help anyway :-)
[08:12] <kelemengabor> gtriderxc: hi, I'm not familiar with the phone OS or the emulator, sorry :(
[08:13] <gtriderxc> no problem I just restarted it. I'll give it just more time :)
[08:17] <gtriderxc> it works :)
[08:17] <gtriderxc> however very slow
[08:20] <gtriderxc> everything is clear :) I can't unlock the screen :)))
[08:33] <gtriderxc> another question
[08:33] <gtriderxc> I've got a string h:mm AP
[08:34] <gtriderxc> should i translate it literally or as it is preferred in my country?
[08:34] <gtriderxc> im Poland nobody uses 12-hour time with am/pm
[08:35] <gtriderxc> but if it;s gonna be a choice in settings I should leave it this way


[08:15] <tarzeau> could i aks for new software package testers?
[08:16] <tarzeau> qwinff is to convert audio/video material between formats with a gui (ffmpeg frontend)
[08:16] <tarzeau> tutka is a midi sequencer
[08:17] <tarzeau> http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/slowmovideo/ is to interpolate images in movies to create soft slowmotion, examples at http://slowmovideo.granjow.net/videos.html
[22:13] <studio-user211> i tried to boot from usb ubuntu studio 18.10 from unetbootin and got an
[22:13] <studio-user211> error
[22:14] <studio-user211> kernel panic not syncing
[22:16] <studio-user211> im on a coustom pc running ryzen 5 1600 6 core 3.20 8g ram msi gt730


[00:04] <htmlgifted> hello i have a question that pertains to Release 12.04 (precise) 32-bit system was wondering if there is a way to get a logitec camera to be passed through to a vm machine so the vm say windows can see it.?
[00:04] <ali1234> yes there is
[00:05] <ali1234> virtualbox can do this
[00:05] <ali1234> however, i'm not sure if it supports USB2
[00:05] <htmlgifted> oh the camera is a old logitec ball camera...  usb
[00:06] <htmlgifted> defualts when connected to xp machine pyshicaly...
[00:07] <ali1234> it should be fine then. you might need to do some tweaks to make it work: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25596/set-up-usb-for-virtualbox
[00:07] <htmlgifted> cool thanks..
[00:07] <htmlgifted> will report back later with results.
[07:32] <Noskcaj> micahg, i got gthumb working (it seems debhelper 9 kills it), and have now requested the pkg-gnome team maintain it in debian. Hopefully it will be working for T-series
[07:33] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj: Can't you join the pkg-gnome team and co-maintain it?
[07:33] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, I will, but so far no one has replied as to if they are willing to maintain it
[07:33] <Noskcaj> and i don't use it
[07:33] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, alright
[19:34] <bluesabre> I'll share the excitement over here as well. Parole GTK3, Gstreamer 1.0, GtkOverlay controls: http://imagebin.org/269375
[19:34] <bluesabre> (WIP)
[19:36] <Unit193> Congrats!
[19:37] <elfy> :)
[19:48] <lderan> :D
[21:28] <ali1234> that looks really good
[22:36] <ali1234> i'm trying to port over the changes from gnome to xfce4 indicator applet to make the indicator-ng work
[22:36] <ali1234> it needs an extra library though, and i can't figure out how to add it to the configure.ac so that the build will find it
[22:36] <ali1234> maybe that's not even the right place to add it
[22:40] <ali1234> hmm ok, i got it added... it needs to go in configure.ac.in
[22:40] <ali1234> and configure found libido but the compile still doesn't see it
[22:48] <ali1234> ah i see, i need to add it to the Makefile.am inside the source dir
[23:06] <ali1234> well, it compiled...
[23:07] <ali1234> the changes all looks sensible too
[23:07] <ali1234> but for some reason it doesn't work


[03:55] <ejat> hi .. anyone can take a look into this bug
[03:55] <ejat> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1772683
[11:18] <xnox> doko:  so, not so fast with django, need to fix 5 more packages or so =/
[11:19] <doko> that's what I thought ...
[11:56] <xnox> doko:  if i do $ tox -e py37 => during a package build, it works. But if I do $ tox -e py38 => it does not.
[11:56] <xnox> doko:  are our wheels off the wheels somehow?
[11:57] <cjwatson> Any time I've tried to use tox in a package build, I've ended up giving up and using some other test runner instead
[11:57] <cjwatson> And finding that roughly nothing else in the archive is using tox in package builds
[11:57] <cjwatson> It's great upstream, I use it nearly everywhere I can, so this seems like a bit of a shame
[11:57] <xnox> cjwatson:  all i need is to make pybuild execute ./runtests.py and i naively thought that PYBUILD_TEST_TOX=1 will make it so
[11:57] <cjwatson> Yeah, I've naively thought that multiple times
[11:58] <cjwatson> But survey has always said no
[11:58] <xnox> i've added all the things I need into - debian/pybuild.testfiles
[11:58] <xnox> but failing to force pybuild to use a "custom" test runner
[11:58]  * xnox will just override the dh_auto_test i guess
[12:04] <doko> xnox: you'll have to ask the pybuild developer, and persist after his initial "see pybuild(1)" reply
[12:04] <doko> or "it's in the man page"
[12:08] <xnox> i'm ended up doing
[12:08] <xnox> override_dh_auto_test:
[12:08] <xnox>         pybuild --system=custom --test --test-args='python{version} runtests.py'
[12:08] <xnox> doko:  but it does seem like something is broken with tox, in focal for py38 at the moment.
[12:08] <xnox> and it's pip usage
[12:23] <doko> xnox: looking at the upstream git, I can't see any 3.8 specific issues, however a 14.x release seems to be planned
[12:24] <doko> and tox didn't migrate yet due to an arm64 autopkg test failure
[12:41] <xnox> doko:   i don't see any issues in tox itself, but in its inability to find a python3.8 pip when initializing 3.8 env
[12:43] <doko> xnox: hmm, why not? that's arch-indep. or is this marked as 3.7 only?
[12:46] <xnox> doko:  for example, pyvenv-3.8 does not exist
[12:46] <xnox> doko:  i thought tox creates a venv, and needs 3.8 wheel for pip, no?
[12:47] <cjwatson> Even if you fix that, IIRC the usual problem with using tox in package builds is that it tends not to have the pile of sdists it needs available to build the rest of the virtualenv
[12:47] <cjwatson> sdists or wheels
[12:48] <cjwatson> I think there was some problem with using system-site-packages too any time I tried, but don't remember what it was
[12:48] <cjwatson> Possibly trouble locating tests or something
[12:48] <xnox> sure, i'm not planning to use tox in the package build anymore. It's just I suspect our py3.8 as supported, is incomplete in the archive w.r.t. venvs.
[12:48] <xnox> whilst 3.7 works
[12:50] <xnox> hm, outside of chroot, on the host, it works.....
[12:59] <doko><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:00] <ahasenack> rbasak: hm, I'm having an interesting problem with mysql8 in focal, due to fakeroot
[13:00] <doko> cjwatson, xnox: ^^^ so that downloads everything, and ignores everything in the distro ...
[13:01] <ahasenack> rbasak: d/rules calls out to d/setup-mysql.sh, which has:
[13:01] <doko> trying to understand what is getting tested
[13:01] <ahasenack> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Cr7wGg5NcH/
[13:01] <ahasenack> due to fakeroot, id -u returns 0, so it thinks it's running as root
[13:01] <ahasenack> then it does: + chown mysql: /home/ubuntu/git/packages/php7.3/php7.3/mysql_db
[13:01] <cjwatson> doko: Right, I think the only legitimate way to use tox in a package build would have to use --system-site-packages or however it's spelled
[13:02] <cjwatson> As opposed to upstream where you probably don't want that
[13:02] <ahasenack> and starts mysql, which fails: mysqld: Can't create directory '/home/ubuntu/git/packages/php7.3/php7.3/mysql_db/data/' (OS errno 13 - Permission denied)
[13:02] <ahasenack> hm, mysql shouldn't have been able to switch users, so it's still running as my build user... hmm....
[13:02] <xnox> cjwatson:  is there CI running on launchpad pull requests? or do I need to run things locally myself?
[13:02]  * xnox hasn't done a launchpad merge request in ages
[13:02] <cjwatson> Locally
[13:03] <cjwatson> We do post-landing CI but that's not what you want for making sure your MP is good
[13:03] <cjwatson> If you have an old tree lying around, note that we're on git now
[13:04] <cjwatson> For what I imagine you're doing, "bin/test -vvct lp.snappy" shouldn't take too long
[13:07] <rbasak> ahasenack: this is the PHP 7.3 FTBFS, or something else?
[13:07] <ahasenack> rbasak: that one, yes
[13:07] <rbasak> I thought Marc had resolved it?
[13:08] <rbasak> He pasted a solution somewhere
[13:08] <ahasenack> just wondering if you have seen that before, and also wondering how it worked before, but I've heard people comment that the tests were never run before correctly
[13:08] <rbasak> Or am I mixing things up?
[13:08] <ahasenack> rbasak: he disabled the tests in the end he said
[13:08] <rbasak> Ah
[13:08] <ahasenack> I'm going into more detail now
[13:08] <rbasak> No I've never really delved into this area
[13:08] <rbasak> I usually defer to Skuggen for this kind of thing :-)
[13:21] <doko> cjwatson: ouch, this test doesn't even test the built package, but downloads the package zip file from the net ;p
[13:22] <cjwatson> I'm not surprised
[13:39] <cjwatson> xnox: If you have trouble running the tests then I don't mind running them here for something simple like that branch
[13:51] <ahasenack> rbasak: it's the apparmor profile that's denying mysql's datadir in that directory
[13:51] <ahasenack> [Mon Nov  4 13:22:00 2019] audit: type=1400 audit(1572873722.995:988): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" namespace="root//lxd-andreas-focal-php73-mysql8_<var-snap-lxd-common-lxd>" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/home/ubuntu/git/packages/php7.3/php7.3/mysql_db/data/" pid=18671 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=1001000 ouid=1001000
[13:53] <rbasak> Ah!
[13:57] <ahasenack> rbasak: don't know yet how it was working before, afaik this profile is enabled by default
[14:34] <rafaeldtinoco> infinity: would u mind approving bionic sru for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sg3-utils/+bug/1833618 ?
[14:35] <rafaeldtinoco> i just verified disco (ok to migrate) but bionic hasn't been approved to -proposed yet.
[14:36] <rbasak> ahasenack, bryce: so I think I'm finally ready with the importer test branch originally from Nish. I've resubmitted his MP, which means that Andreas is already listed as a reviewer. I added Bryce. I don't mind who reviews but I think it'll probably be Bryce?
[14:38]  * ahasenack thinks so too
[18:15] <infinity> ahasenack: I don't recall who on your team had context the last time (years ago?) I whined about this, but is there any intend to fix the "squid halts shutdown forever" bug for the upcoming LTS?
[18:17] <ahasenack> infinity: I could be convinced to work on it, I have a card even
[18:17] <ahasenack> infinity: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898469 right?
[18:19] <infinity> ahasenack: That's the one.
[18:20] <infinity> ahasenack: I like the comment about "squid 3.4 blah blah" and we're on 4.8
[18:28] <infinity> ahasenack: I imagine it's a pain point for people who run all the squids ever in clouds and grump at slow instance reboot times, but for people like me, it's totally squid-deb-proxy making my laptop take forever to reboot that drives me nuts. ;)
[18:29] <infinity> ahasenack: I guess I could mask the service to just shoot it in the head, but then I'm ignoring a bug that affects others, which I tend to prefer not to do.
[18:36] <ahasenack> infinity: I've been using it with a lower setting for shutdown_lifetime
[18:36] <infinity> ahasenack: See above, re: ignore bug that affects others. :)
[18:36] <ahasenack> but I also every now and then get an error about it failing to fetch an object from the cache, and I wonder if some corruption is happening
[18:37] <ahasenack> yeah< i mean that his recommendation of just lowering that value is probably not correct
[18:37] <infinity> I remember looking into it and, indeed, there's an intricate maze of fds and sockets it needs to close to shutdown cleanly, but there must be some way when that's done to signal "I got it all!" and then end the process, instead of just waiting and hoping for the best.
[18:38] <infinity> I mean, even the 30s timeout could be too short for some instances, while being too long for most.
[18:38] <ahasenack> correct
[18:38] <ahasenack> I'll try reaching out again
[18:39] <ahasenack> not in that bug, though, something different
[18:39] <infinity> Telepathy?
[18:52] <sarnold> I've always wondered why it cares to shut down cleanly. clients and servers ought to be prepared to get RSTs at crazy times. I don't know why it doesn't just _exit(0) and be done with it. harumph.
[19:25] <infinity> sarnold: Upstream's argument is that it isn't about shutting down client connections, it's about shutting down internal sockets/fds cleanly to avoid corruption of data, logs, etc.
[19:25] <infinity> sarnold: Still seems like a piss-poor argument for what amounts to poor design choices, IMO.
[19:27] <sarnold> infinity: I'm not too shocked that a program designed so long ago has such poor design choices, but even then, I'm not sure how a graceful cleanup would take more than half a second on the typical dev laptop, or maybe two seconds on a busy system..
[19:28]  * infinity nods.
[19:29] <infinity> sarnold: And, to be clear, it probably *is* only taking half a second or less on my laptop.  But, because they've entirely failed to write a way to record and signal a clean shutdown, the whole thing just sits in a wait loop and then hard muders itself with hope and bunnies.
[19:29] <sarnold> and "rewrite it with sqlite3 so we don't have to think so hard about corruption" is probably a fair amount of work
[19:29] <infinity> sarnold: So, for 99% of people, it's waiting 29 seconds too long, for 1%, it's still not shutting down cleanly.
[19:29] <sarnold> hah
[19:30] <sarnold> and to think this is the caching thingy that gave me the *least* amount of trouble
[19:30] <infinity> Yep.
[19:40] <infinity> rafaeldtinoco: I don't see an upload of sg3-utils in bionic's queue, so not much for me to review...
[19:42] <rafaeldtinoco> :/ I thought it was sponsored already, will check, sorry for the noise
[19:45] <infinity> dannf: Feel free to JFDI on the versioning fix if that's all you're waiting on to sponsor sg3-utils.
[19:47] <ahasenack> sarnold: infinity: what other cacheing proxy servers are out there? Anything promising that you know of?
[19:47] <ahasenack> "apt-cache search proxy | grep cache" isn't encouraging
[19:48] <dannf> infinity, rafaeldtinoco ack
[19:49] <sarnold> ahasenack: apt-cacher-ng was the one that gave me trouble, endless chasing hash sum mismatches. funny thing is, I know folks who've switched from squid-deb-proxy to apt-cacher-ng because squid gave them the hash sum mismatches..
[19:49] <ahasenack> ok, but that's just for debs anyway
[19:49] <ahasenack> I get hash sum mismatches on mirrors directly even
[19:49] <infinity> Really?  Still?
[19:49] <infinity> I haven't seen one since we switched to by-hash indexes.
[19:49] <ahasenack> yeah, the br mirror every now and then
[19:50] <ahasenack> I do have a proxy, but when I get that, i disable it, clean run apt get update, and it fails
[19:50] <ahasenack> then I switch to archive.u.c
[19:50] <infinity> sarnold: My complaint with apt-cacher-ng is that over time, it seems to corrupt its data just enough that the weekly cronjobs end up whining until you delete it all and start over.
[19:51] <infinity> Maybe that's fixed now, but I gave up and switched to squid and didn't look back.
[19:51] <sarnold> same here, squid's been a lot better for me, just the shutdown / reboot experience is bad news :)
[19:51] <infinity> Plus, squid is dogfooding an actually useful proxy server that thousands/millions use for all sorts of things, apt-cacher-ng is weird boutique software just for nerds like us.
[19:52] <ahasenack> kanashiro: your target branch in your MPs for merges from debian is incorrect, it should be debian/sid
[19:52] <ahasenack> that's why you have conflicts on those mps
[19:54] <kanashiro> ahasenack, ah, just noticed this... fixing them now
[19:54] <kanashiro> thanks btw
[19:54] <ahasenack> np
[19:55] <rafaeldtinoco> dannf: thx for the version fix
[19:55] <rafaeldtinoco> dannf: should I do something or u have already uploaded ?
[19:55] <dannf> rafaeldtinoco: np - its here now: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1
[19:55] <rafaeldtinoco> great. thx!
[21:09] <melodie> hi
[21:10] <ahasenack> kanashiro: what cpaelzer and I do sometimes when a merge becomes a sync is to just file an MP anyway, showing that all delta can be dropped, for review purposes
[21:10] <melodie> I have used a few commands in the shell to try to get which package contains the /etc/passwd file and I didn't find any. I would like to know who is in charge of this file in the *ubuntu editions?
[21:11] <melodie> I have a premice related to computing and digital skills and I found a sensitive bug in one of my client's computer. So I'd like to send a mail to the right person
[21:11] <ahasenack> melodie: it's created in base-passwd's postinst
[21:11] <melodie> ahasenack thanks, let me see
[21:11] <dax> which also means it doesn't show up in the output of the usual "which package owns this" tools, because it's generated, not installed
[21:11] <ahasenack> or rather, preinst
[21:12] <rbasak> melodie: please don't just email the maintainer of base-passwd though
[21:12] <melodie> I should find a mail in the output of apt-cache show base-passwd I think?
[21:12] <melodie> rbasak why that? Who then?
[21:12] <rbasak> melodie: if you think you found a security bug in base-files package, please file a bug and mark it as either Public Security or Private Security as appropriate.
[21:13] <melodie> aha
[21:13] <melodie> let me have a look at the lauchpad bugs section
[21:13] <kanashiro> ahasenack, re a merge becoming a sync: nice, I'll submit a MP for review purpose
[21:13] <rbasak> melodie: because we use bug trackers to track issues so we can work on them collectively - private email is usually inappropriate for matters relating to public work like this
[21:14] <melodie> good to know
[21:15] <melodie> I see, maintainer shows Colin Watson. I'll do as you say and search for a "Private Security" option
[21:15] <melodie> I guess Colin Watson might have his plate full :D
[21:15] <rbasak> melodie: and also for security matters Ubuntu has a security team who are on a rota. For all you know, Colin is on vacation (though he isn't as it happens) :)
[21:16] <melodie> never mind rbasak everyone deserves his vacation, even if still here online
[21:16] <rbasak> :)
[21:17] <melodie> :)
[21:28] <melodie> rbasak ahasenack this is bug #1851300
[21:28] <melodie> and thanks for your help!
[21:29] <melodie> ok ubottu bot, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/base-passwd/+bug/1851300
[21:29] <infinity> melodie: The bot can't find it because it's private. :P
[21:29] <sarnold> one moment..
[21:29] <melodie> infinity I thought so
[21:31] <infinity> /etc/passwd shouldn't have passwords in it at all, plain or hashed.
[21:31] <sarnold> melodie: how did this user change the password on her system?
[21:32] <infinity> And there's no way in our default installations for that to happen.
[21:32] <infinity> Gonna need a lot more info to figure out who/what did that. /
[21:32] <infinity> :/
[21:34] <melodie> sarnold she didn't. She is an old lady who would never be able to do that. An the "computer tech" who installed probably just did an regular install not complicated, through the install option in the live
[21:34] <melodie> I can tell as I have had several clients coming to me after served at his shop
[21:34] <infinity> I suspect you'll need to ask this "tech" how he's setting up user accounts.
[21:35] <infinity> He might be imaging systems and then echoing users/passwords into /etc/passwd or something equally insane.
[21:35] <melodie> infinity what I might be able to do: see if I shows again in other Xubuntu 18 installs
[21:35] <melodie> I perform some, once a while, as tomorrow I have one scheduled
[21:35] <melodie> if it shows again*
[21:36] <melodie> infinity not possible, he is a very simple tech who performs simple services
[21:37] <melodie> I can't ask him. He is a "lone wolf" kind of guy :D
[21:38] <melodie> still I don't fancy this guy doing crazy technical things, he doesn't use his time this way. He just wants to earn money and provide not too expensive services (even if he does not understand well the ins and outs in at gnu/linux distribution)
[21:38] <infinity> melodie: You say that's not possible, but I'm telling you that the scenario of "no one ever changed the password after ubiquity created the user" can't possible lead to anything in /etc/passwd other than "x"
[21:38] <infinity> melodie: I'd be open to the idea that some random xfce utility for user/password changes has done something very bad.  Or that the tech doing the install did something silly.
[21:39] <infinity> But if she didn't change it, and he didn't do it weird, we're at a bit of an impasse.
[21:39] <melodie> infinity all I can do is report a bug which I have recently seen, and when possible have a close look to see if it pops up again
[21:39] <melodie> and I have read a few years ago that this issue already arised once, in Ubuntu which was then fixed.
[21:40] <melodie> so I don't want to raise concerns among the users, I want it to be checked and looked closely. nothing more.
[21:40] <infinity> melodie: Err, when was this issue?
[21:40] <melodie> I am proud of being a GNU/Linux user, which I started almost right away after I got my first computer, 15 years ago.
[21:41] <melodie> infinity I met with it a few days ago.
[21:41] <infinity> melodie: I meant your claim that you "read a few years ago..."
[21:41] <infinity> melodie: I don't recall ever having a "clear text passwords in /etc/passwd" issue.
[21:42] <melodie> infinity this one, I don't remember
[21:42] <infinity> Not that we haven't had other issues, like passwords in log files (in 2005!) and wifi passwords in clear text...
[21:42] <melodie> I do remember about it
[21:43] <melodie> anyway I have always read that a security issue in a free software should first be brought to the people in charge of the concerned software, in order to get a fix for everyone before anything else
[21:44] <melodie> now, if you will all excuse me, I have to get up early tomorrow, I'll be back for more if I find more clues or other examples of this issue.
[21:45] <melodie> thanks for your help.
[21:45] <sarnold> thanks melodie :)
[21:45] <melodie> so, good night/week/evening...
[21:45] <melodie> sarnold welcome. :)
[22:23] <Phruis> where is the code linux uses to save its state on hibernation?
[22:53] <teward> slashd: FYI the nginx upload was accepted and has been in focal for a bit now, and should Just Work now for the nginx IPv6 stuff, please double check, my tests seem to reflect it's fixed but a second set of eyes and tests never hurts :)


[02:28] <bimberi> elkbuntu: ping
[02:30] <bimberi> elkbuntu: initial thought - making it 4 pages or less would be good - then they can be either 2 double-sided sheets or a single if shrunk to A5
[02:33] <bimberi> elkbuntu: applies to current users survey only (of course) :)
[02:34] <elkbuntu> bimberi, i know.. but you try decide what on the current users to throw out please?
[02:37] <bimberi> elkbuntu: nothing.  perhaps by doubling up the answer lists in places - for example the answer parts in questions 7 to 16 could be formated like question 2
[02:38] <elkbuntu> hmm. i'll try that
[02:39] <bimberi> elkbuntu: btw, sorry i've not been able to help with it, sfd has soaked up my spare time :|
[02:40] <elkbuntu> thats ok, i understand. you and the others have been really busy with all this.. in fact, nobody in the loco has done much else lately
[02:40] <elkbuntu> karl has helped me though so :)
[02:40] <bimberi> :)
[02:40] <bimberi> bbl (~30 min)
[02:41] <elkbuntu> k
[03:24] <elkbuntu> bimberi, done :D .. thinking of that at 3am was a little bit of a big ask ;)
[03:37] <bimberi> elkbuntu: cool.  i hadn't noticed the email time :o
[03:39] <bimberi> elkbuntu: i haven't actually been able to go through the questions yet but will try to do so and get back to you by 12:30
[03:39] <elkbuntu> k. i'll send you the updated pdf now
[04:03] <Burgundavia> whiprush: do you run popcon your servers?
[07:00] <whiprush> Burgundavia: no just my desktops. should I?
[07:01] <Burgundavia> whiprush: just wondered if you had good stats on the gnome-games stuff, to see waht is being run
[07:02] <whiprush> monkey-bubble
[07:02] <whiprush> not a gnome-game
[07:02] <whiprush> but by far, the most popular one
[07:03] <Burgundavia> too bad upstream is mostly dead
[07:03] <Burgundavia> it was proposed for gnome 2.6
[07:52] <bimberi_> elkbuntu: ping
[09:06] <elkbuntu> oh poop.. *me shakes fist at mother for stealing time*
[08:29] <Klaidas> haha
[08:30] <Klaidas> menza's eytest is just brilliant
[08:30] <Klaidas> http://static.flickr.com/98/234932172_af89d57945_o.jpg
[10:03] <ompaul> Burgwork, I have not seen a big rush to do thi UWN this week
[10:03] <ompaul> s/thi/the
[10:15] <Burgwork> ompaul, this evening
[10:49] <ompaul> Burgwork, ahh, when I am in bed ;-)
[10:59] <Burgwork> ompaul, feel free to work on it as much as you want until then
[10:59] <ompaul> hehe
[11:03] <MagicFab> I guess this is "good" news
[11:03] <MagicFab> http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/07/technology/Reality_check_Vista.biz2/index.htm?cnn=yes
[11:03] <MagicFab> Last paragraph: "So here's a modest proposal: Boycott Vista. Keep your old Windows XP PC around. Don't buy a new one. That's the only way we have to let Microsoft know Vista is an overhyped, late, and pointless update to XP - a perfectly fine operating system."


[00:21] <OvenWerks> new iso still has invisible mouse pointer in live ISO for me. 32 bit will still not boot. 64bit iso will not boot as non-uefi still.
[04:42] <zequence> astraljava: You need to set pulseaudio to use jack as the output in order to hear the desktop audio
[04:42] <zequence> Use the largest buffer in order to get no xruns on vbox
[04:43] <zequence> I'll do some testing this evening. Will also check on real machines, both UEFI and non-UEFI
[07:06] <astraljava> zequence: I'll have to look into that, it wasn't obvious to me what should have been changed last night, but then again I was more than half-asleep already. :)
[07:06] <astraljava> I'll try again today.
[07:07] <astraljava> I'm fine with the xruns, as that's only a test install. I did hear audio, so I could verify it worked.
[12:42] <OvenWerks> I have yet to get a 32 bit ISO to boot on any machine.
[13:53] <astraljava> OvenWerks: Real hardware and/or virtual?
[20:09] <OvenWerks> astraljava: real
[20:10] <OvenWerks> I'm going to check it on a few more just now.I also want to check the 64 on a non-uefi machine.
[20:22] <OvenWerks> On a non-uefi system I can not boot period.
[20:23] <elfy> OvenWerks: is that with a new copy of the image?
[20:23] <OvenWerks> how new?
[20:24] <OvenWerks> I have downloaded twice
[20:24] <elfy> last few hours new
[20:24] <OvenWerks> no
[20:24] <elfy> 2 secs
[20:24] <OvenWerks> Is this supposed to be fixed then?
[20:24] <elfy> bunch of stuff was looked at
[20:25] <OvenWerks> k' I will download again the 32 + 64 bit isos
[20:25] <elfy> 12:50 (UTC I would suspect)
[20:25] <elfy> vbox will likely prove to be an issue
[20:25] <OvenWerks> We have 3 or 4 computers with no uefi bios that these images will not work on at all.
[20:25] <OvenWerks> I am using HW
[20:26] <elfy> k
[20:27] <elfy> grabbing the 32bit I can at least check it boots and installs
[20:28] <OvenWerks> elfy: I have also had a problem with the live sessions not showing the mouse... I can see the effect of a mouse hovering over things and the r/l click works.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> installed it is ok
[20:28] <elfy> mmk
[20:28] <elfy> I'll see on hardware
[20:28] <OvenWerks> I have tried various themes etc
[20:30] <OvenWerks> zsync shows 92%... ya new ISO :)
[20:36] <OvenWerks> elfy: I see that the ubuntu help page is recomending dd over the startup disk creator. would that be my problem?
[20:37] <elfy> OvenWerks: shouldn't be
[20:37] <elfy> afaik disks uses dd
[20:38] <OvenWerks> Can't, dd would make a partition the same size as the ISO and not allow persistance
[20:38] <elfy> oh my
[20:38] <elfy> not reading for the sun in my glasses
[20:38] <OvenWerks> I see this "[This is the situation now with the new Ubuntu 14.10 version] Win32DiskImager is particularly good for pre-release testing and new releases, when the standard tools like Startup Disk Creator might not be ready (if the configuration of the booting has been changed since the previous release). "
[20:39] <OvenWerks> on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[20:39] <elfy> I read startup disk as disks - which is what I recommend currently :D
[20:39] <OvenWerks> wrong quote..."[This is the situation now with the new Ubuntu 14.10 version] mkusb is particularly good for pre-release testing and new releases, when the standard tools like Startup Disk Creator might not be ready (if the configuration of the booting has been changed since the previous release). "
[20:40] <OvenWerks> I am running the LTS
[20:41] <elfy> mkusb is definitely a front end to DD
[20:42] <OvenWerks> Yes
[20:42] <OvenWerks> I will try dd on the next DLs and if they work, try again with the system tool
[20:43] <OvenWerks> It seems the system tool on 14.04 is broken
[20:47] <elfy> OvenWerks: I did a bunch fo tests with tools for usb
[20:47] <elfy> mostly I remember that gnome-disks just worked
[20:49] <OvenWerks> elfy: in my opinion, the iso should not be released untill the system tool that ships with 14.04/14.10 has been fixed/released.
[20:49] <elfy> then it won't be released
[20:50] <elfy> I might be listed as on the release team - but only so I can work tracker for -studio :)
[20:50] <OvenWerks> even if upgrading it meant a new tool was pulled in to replace it.
[20:51] <elfy> OvenWerks: ok booted 32bit to livesession - no uefi on that laptop
[20:52] <OvenWerks> I am thinking this must be the case for all ubuntu's though
[20:52] <OvenWerks> Anyway I am printing the 64bit to my usb stick with dd. I will see how that works
[20:52] <elfy> OvenWerks: tools and booting is generally common, studio would also obviously get affected by Xubuntu specific issues to probably
[20:53] <elfy> cvan't do more than boot the live session on laptop
[20:54] <OvenWerks> We will have to make sure the download page bluntly says the system tool will not work, here is the new instructions.
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Studio is treating this as a in-progress release. All of these things will need to be fixed for next LTS
[20:56] <OvenWerks> elfy: Did your mouse work ok?
[20:56] <elfy> yep
[20:56] <OvenWerks> good
[20:57] <OvenWerks> I will try live on three machines here and full install on one
[21:10] <OvenWerks> elfy: using dd on the 64bit ISO allowed me to boot on the older non-uefi machine.
[21:11] <elfy> ok
[21:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ should include a note to _not_ use Startup Disk Creator in the system menu. The one in 14.04 does not support newer ISO versions.
[22:45] <len1504> Installing 32 bit ISO. So far everything is working for me. The ALSA driver for USB1.1 Audio devices seems much better than what my wife's computer has now. I think next time I load her system I will do xfce instead of kde. The graphics seem snappier too even though the GPU (atom based MB) is not well supported.
[22:48] <len1504> The AC97 audio on the old P4 has lots of xruns at 64/3 but seems to work ok. The atom is fine with 64/2. (even streaming from Pulse)
[22:51] <len1504> reboot
[23:15] <len64> installing 64bit version.
[23:16] <len64> Things I have noticed... the 32bit ISO only shows up as non-uefi, but the 64bit ISO shows up as both (in my bios boot selector).
[23:18] <len64> I am guessing the uefi is new enough that there are no 32bit boards with it? What of the person who still wants 32bit for compatibility reasons? Is that still an issue with wine for example?
[23:23] <len64> BTW, at boot we end up at lightdm with a pure white (grey?) screen. It is not obvious this is a scrren saver and the user should click somewhere. (pressing a key on the KB does not seem to work)
[23:23] <len64> Having no screen saver makes more sense to me... something to fix in 15.10.
[23:26] <len64> reboot
[23:47] <OvenWerks> The version of Ardour in the new iso should be sru/backported to LTS as the one in LTS has bugs that could result in lost files. If it is two releases till next LTS Ardour4 may even be an option.