[00:15] <k3n> Hola!
[00:54] <ionite> how do i upgrade to kde 4.7 ?
[00:56] <ionite> i am currently useing 4.5
[00:58] <iRabbit> Just installed Fedora 15 on my netbook, lost the Ubuntu 11.04 (KDE) grub menu, how fix?
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> iRabbit: don't ask ni multiple channels
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> ionite: there may be a ppa
[01:03] <ionite> ActionParsnip: ppa? how do i go about?
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | ionite
[01:04] <ionite> ActionParsnip: so the best advise is do a clean install from scratch?
[01:06] <ActionParsnip> ionite: no, you just need a ppa to get the newer version, who mentioned clean installing?
[01:08] <ionite> ActionParsnip: they are unsupported packages. and poses a risk.
[01:09] <ActionParsnip> ionite: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Install-KDE-SC-4-7-on-Ubuntu-11-04-214686.shtml
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> ionite: but yeah
[01:17] <ionite> ActionParsnip: 7z not found. This is required for either install mode. Install the "p7zip-full" package or your distribution's equivalent. what does this means? i'm using UnetBootIn
[01:25] <ActionParsnip> ionite: you can install p7zip-full and get the functionality needed
[01:26] <ionite> ok
[01:26] <ActionParsnip> ionite: should have installed what was needed when you installed unetbootin
[01:26] <ionite> ActionParsnip: apparently it doesnt
[01:27] <ActionParsnip> ionite: i suggest you log a bug
[01:27] <ionite> ActionParsnip: hmm.. alright i'll consider.
[01:32] <ionite> ActionParsnip: i'm a noob and i don't even know if it's a bug. dun wanna log a wrong bug
[03:33] <keithzg_> arghhh, just got a new Acer (Timeline X 1830T-6661), and every report I can find through google says its fine, but the wireless card just isn't being detected.
[03:38] <keithzg_> arghhh, just got a new Acer (Timeline X 1830T-6661), and every report I can find through google says its fine, but the wireless card just isn't being detected.
[03:38] <keithzg_> oops, sorry, reposted
[04:35] <bala_> hi everybody
[04:37] <bala_> when will next kubuntu release
[04:39] <SIR_Taco> middle of October
[04:50] <SIR_Taco> oh... I think my Ubuntu server is going for a record for uptime haha
[05:16] <DasKreecH> SIR_Taco: 14 seconds?
[05:16] <DasKreecH> keithzg_: WHat's the card?
[05:17] <SIR_Taco> no, it's personal best is 12 days at the moment and counting (but that was a hardware issue)
[05:26] <keithzg_> DasKreecH: it's an Atheros which has a known bug associated on Acer laptops apparently; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/778168 suggested blacklisting an acer module and that worked excellently :)
[05:27] <keithzg_> 'tis all good now, thankfully.
[05:29] <DasKreecH> ok :)
[05:29] <DasKreecH> SIR_Taco: My friend hated Apple. They would send out Monthly updates that made him reboot to apply them. Ruined his uptime
[05:30] <DasKreecH> Broadcom is putting FOSS drivers for the wireless card in Linux 3 kernel ^_^
[05:30] <DasKreecH> Soooooo pumped
[05:32] <SIR_Taco> DasKreecH: haha not my problem... I went to the garage and made a Frankenstien web server. I'm more surprised that it works than the uptime haha
[05:37] <DasKreecH> Yeha he was really proud of his 4months uptime on his laptop
[07:48] <nnishantsigra> hello sir,
[07:49] <nnishantsigra> i'm having problem with disk space
[07:49] <nnishantsigra> anyone can help me?
[09:06] <oal> i installed Kubuntu on a Samsung laptop now, and it boots up fine, but 5-10 seconds after entering kde, the shadows behind windows turn solid black, and not long after, the screen also turns black
[09:06] <oal> I can still go to ctrl+alt+f6 for example, but when I go back to kde, it's still black, and I can't press ctrl+alt+f6 again. Any ideas what's causing this?
[09:11] <bulldog98> oal: what kubuntu version? and have you all upgrades for your version installed?
[09:12] <oal> Kubuntu 11.04 64bit
[09:12] <oal> And I don't even get time to connect to the internet, as the screen goes black
[09:12] <oal> So I haven't been able to upgrade
[09:12] <oal> bulldog98: It's a fresh install
[09:13] <bulldog98> oal: wlan?
[09:13] <oal> Yup.
[09:14] <oal> Any ideas, bulldog98?
[09:14] <bulldog98> oal: boot your live cd and open konsole
[09:15] <bulldog98> oal: have you expirience with konsole? things like mount?
[09:17] <oal> bulldog98: not much
[09:18] <bulldog98> oal: do you still know if you modified something in partioning?
[09:19] <oal> I chose to use the whole disk, and automated partitioning
[09:19] <oal> I can just try a reinstall, and see if that helps
[09:19] <bulldog98> oal: no
[09:20] <bulldog98> oal: have you opened the konsole yet?
[09:20] <oal> Ok, booting into the liveusb now
[09:23] <oal> bulldog98: I'm in konsole now
[09:24] <bulldog98> oal: have you wlan connection setup?
[09:24] <bulldog98> could you paste me somewhere the output of sudo blkid
[09:25] <oal> Yes
[09:25] <oal> 2 sec
[09:26] <oal> bulldog98: http://dpaste.com/605798/
[09:27] <bulldog98> oal: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[09:27] <bulldog98> sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
[09:27] <bulldog98> sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
[09:27] <bulldog98> sudo mount -t proc /proc /mnt/proc
[09:27] <bulldog98> sudo cp /mnt/proc/mounts /mnt/etc/mtab
[09:27] <bulldog98> sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
[09:27] <bulldog98> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[09:27] <bulldog98> then you are in your system
[09:28] <bulldog98> and can do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:32] <oal> Thanks, it's getting the packages now :)
[09:35] <bulldog98> oal: I only hope the updates will fix your problem
[09:36] <oal> Time will tell. A few minutes until the dist-upgrade is done
[09:46] <oal> bulldog98: same thing still
[09:46] <oal> bleh, I'll just do a reinstall
[09:47] <James147> oal: might also want to check the disk :)
[09:59] <mime1111> hey ppl! in fvwm-crystal, as prefered app gwenview for opening images, does anything... any idea? thnx
[10:42] <lagerimsi> hi all!
[10:42] <lagerimsi> how to use pastebin for screenshots
[10:44] <lagerimsi> ok i see doesnt work
[10:51] <lagerimsi> well - maybe someone read about my problem using an imap account with disappearing messages - updated to kde4.7.0 using kmail i get the following error (translated): upload of message failed (my question: wh<y does it upload - it just fetched the message from the server) ;  final destination was INBOX; message from the server: unexpected end of data --- so my final question - bug in kmail or a server error? what do you suggest me to do?
[10:51] <lagerimsi>  - other imap accounts work well
[10:52] <alvin> lagerimsi: You're probably looking at bug 819676
[10:54] <lagerimsi> ubottu > thx! that's what i've been saerching for
[10:54] <lagerimsi> sry thx alvin
[10:55] <alvin> You're welcome. I don't think the bug has a solution though
[11:00] <lagerimsi> well yes - theres a workaround by disabling the spamfilter and virus filter
[11:01] <lagerimsi> not nice but i will try wheter it works
[11:01] <lagerimsi> +h
[11:08] <lagerimsi> seems to work - you can still have the spam filter working for pop3-accounts (just go to properties > filter > and there choose (for every spam-/antivirus-filter)  on but imap-accounts)
[11:08] <lagerimsi> on all but imap - thats what i wanted to say
[11:09] <lagerimsi> thx so much - this bug nearly drove me crazy ;)
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:52] <faLUCE> hi, How can I see if an usb device is working with 2.0 or 1.1 ?
[13:04] <glanik> Русские есть?
[13:54] <macchianera> c
[16:16] <spazz93> hello enyone useing an apple g5 and kubuntu os
[16:17] <spazz93> im tying to install it naw on a g5
[16:21] <OerHeks> spazz93, nice. you do use the PPC version from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/10.10/release/  ?? 11.04 is not released yet.
[16:23] <spazz93> ya i did try the ppc iso but it wont even run the live os so i found a 8.04.1 and it will run as far as starting the install
[16:24] <James147> dose kubuntu support ppc anymore?
[16:25] <OerHeks> James147, no. these ppc versions are community supported. not official Canonical, as fas as i understand.
[16:25] <OerHeks> r/fas/far
[16:25] <spazz93> yes it seems to but i dont know a thing about macs so ime lerning as i go here im not even shere wut ram is in theis thing
[16:25] <OerHeks> there is a mac wiki > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[16:25] <James147> spazz93: then you may want to try debian ^^ they support just about every architecture :p
[16:28] <spazz93> i did try ydl with out buch luck il look for a dabian kernial
[16:29] <spazz93> hins the gift of a freebe lol
[16:29] <OerHeks> Place cd in drive > power off machine > hold down option key > power on machine. > click on cd > click on right arrow
[16:30] <BluesKaj> Kwin doesn't remember windows settings -size and placement set in /advanced>special windows settings or special application settings
[16:31] <spazz93> ok
[16:33] <spazz93> well thank you i got to run for naw tolk to ya all later
[16:33] <OerHeks> :-)
[17:31] <hazamonzo> Anyone know why the kde4 process might be eating 25% CPU all the time?
[17:50] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, I'm in a weird situation...
[17:51] <LINKSWORD2> My system is acting very unresponsive. For example, I press Alt + F1 to get the launcher menu open and it just won't open.
[17:52] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, , maybe the "lock" key is on
[17:53] <LINKSWORD2> What "lock" key?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> on my KB it's beside f12
[17:54] <LINKSWORD2> I've got a very simple keyboard.
[17:54] <PhilRod_> LINKSWORD2: do other keyboard shortcuts work? is anything on your system running slower than usual?
[17:54] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, other things work.
[17:55] <LINKSWORD2> But it seems like the system is very slow.
[17:56] <LINKSWORD2> Gah!
[17:56] <LINKSWORD2> How can I open the process monitor?
[17:56] <BluesKaj> lin sometimes the run command opens underneath another page , ot you could right click on the desktop and choose "Run command"
[17:57] <BluesKaj> er LINKSWORD2 ^
[17:57] <LINKSWORD2> Well, I can't. The mouse isn't responding.
[17:58] <BluesKaj> yeah, my other pc was freezing at the screensaver launch, but that was when no action was happening
[17:59] <LINKSWORD2> I wish I could blame the screensaver. But that's not it.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , i have windows size recaqll probs , kwin suddenly decide to resize to a small window and place it up in the right hand corner ...and no matter how I reset the the size and placement in advanced , kwin doesn't hold the settings'
[18:37] <werner_> Hi #kubuntu
[18:38] <werner_> I hope someone can help me
[18:38] <werner_> I like using meld for diff viewing (it'
[18:38] <werner_> s a gnome app)
[18:38] <Pici> you can use gnome apps in kde.
[18:38] <werner_> And I want to integrate meld with kde4's konqueror
[18:39] <werner_> So when I right click on two selected files it will have option to send to meld in KDE context menu
[18:39] <werner_> does anyone know how to do that, it would make my life so much easier
[18:39] <werner_> :)
[18:39] <Pici> werner_: kdiff3 seems to exist.
[18:39] <werner_> YEs I use that too, but meld has cool features
[18:40] <Pici> oh, sorry, I misread the question.
[18:40] <werner_> Actually I always preferred kompare
[18:40] <werner_> Ok :)
[18:41] <werner_> I'm using natty btw
[18:52] <Daskreech> werner_: You can write a script for konqueror but does meld do everythign in app or does it have a shared library?
[18:57] <werner_> hi Daskreech I think it's just the app binary meld
[19:03] <werner_> Daskreech: meld's command line usage for files is as follows:
[19:03] <werner_> meld <file> <file> [<file>] Start a 2- or 3-way file comparison
[19:04] <werner_> Now how do I create a konqueror context menu where I can pass the 2 selected files to meld?
[19:05] <werner_> Is there some gui tool that I can use to build context menus for KDE4 konqueror?
[19:36] <kaddi> hi, where does kde/plasma workspace store the default and/or installed wallpapers?
[19:39] <BluesKaj> kaddi, right click on the desktop ,"Desktop settings"
[19:41] <kaddi> ok, I'll start from teh beginning, I have one image in there that will display in preview, but won't display on the desktop. It's the "DamselFly" one. I've tried "reisntalling" it without success.. so my next step would be to go check out the files in its actual folder to see if there's a mess in permissions or similar
[19:41] <James147> kaddi: try ~/.kde/share/wallpapers
[19:42] <kaddi> i have no wallpapers-folder in .kde/share
[19:42] <kaddi> ah, but I do have one in /usr/share/wallpapers
[19:44] <kaddi> hmm pictures all seem to work and permissions are identical too.. anybody has a suggestion how i could get that wallpaper to work again?
[19:50] <BluesKaj> import some wallpapers from your pictures folder ?
[19:50] <kaddi> nvm, i renamed the folder and adjusted the X-KDE-PluginInfo-Name.. now it works
[19:51] <kaddi> yeah, that would've been my next attempt, copy the picture from the wallpaper folder into my normal folder and then import it into wallpapers again
[19:51] <kaddi> wonder what broke it though
[19:55] <BluesKaj> my kwin sttings are all messed up , but I'm on 11.10 and everyone has run away  in ubuntu+1 ...or so it seems
[19:55] <szal> lol
[19:56] <kaddi> they know you're dangerous.. :p
[19:56] <kaddi> i'm still on 10.10.. trying to find a good time where i can bork some settings and do an upgrade..
[19:56] <kaddi> that time just never seems to be now
[19:57] <BluesKaj> maybe everyone in ubuntu+1 is busy trying to fix the same mess I've got :)
[19:58] <kaddi> what kde version are you on then, if you're using 11.10?
[19:58] <BluesKaj> 4.7
[19:59] <kaddi> ohhh
[19:59] <kaddi> apart some issues with kwin, how is it?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> it's default
[19:59] <BluesKaj> was fine up until today
[19:59] <kaddi> i figured.. i just checked and am running 4.5.5 default on 10.10.. so 4.6 for 11.04 and 4.7 looks good for 11.10
[20:00] <kaddi> i need to find more time to mess with things.. that wallpaper has been broken for 6months and i'm just getting around to fixing it now >.>
[20:02] <BluesKaj> wish I knew a command to get the Kwinand plasma back to default settings so i could start again from scratch ...don't feel like doing the kubuntu-desktop install --reinstall right now
[20:03] <BluesKaj> too much to delete and fix and configure afterwards
[20:08] <kaddi> as i don't know how to do that i have an alternate suggestion: create a new user from command line and log in with that.. shouldn't that have default settings?
[20:09] <kaddi> alternatively you could try to install a different windowmanager and use that one instead.. however i'm not sure how much that'll really "fix" things instead of making it worse ;)
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, has anyone seen that tomboy cannot detect the default web browser when trying to sync to tomboy web??
[20:10] <BluesKaj> kaddi, thanks for the suggestions , but I think I'll wait to see what's happening next update
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> it seems super hung up on gnome/firefox, of which I have neither
[20:12] <James147> BluesKaj: to reset the user settings just reneme the appropate file in ~/.kde/share/config
[20:13]  * James147 wonders what happens if you symlink <browser here> to firefox?
[20:14] <James147> ^^ or if that failes create a script called firefox and see what arguments it tries to launch it with then edit the sctipr to launch another broswer with those setings :D
[20:17] <BluesKaj> James147, rename the appropriate file ? Sorry I don't understand .
[20:18] <James147> BluesKaj: all kde settings are in ~/.kde/share/config ^^ if you rename one then that application will load its default settings (and recreate the file)
[20:19] <James147> ^^ at least all the intresting settings are threre :0
[20:20] <apachelogger> markey: so, hanging in about half an hour or so?
[20:20]  * James147 finds ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc tends to be the most problematic and regularly has to reset it
[20:21] <BluesKaj> James147, that would ahve to be all of them ...none of the windows or apps setings in special windows or applications settings are remembered after being set ...they just open in a small size in the upper left and have to be resized every time they're opened
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> installed gconf-editor will try when I get home
[20:31] <werner_> Hi
[20:31] <werner_> I'm creating a .desktop file that serves as a service menu in konqueror on KDE4 natty
[20:32] <werner_> I'm calling meld (a diff viewer) with the [Desktop Action] entry: Exec=meld %u
[20:32] <werner_> That sends a single file to meld and it works :)
[20:32] <werner_> But how to send all the selected files to meld?
[20:32] <mark___> Hey there. I have Kubuntu 11.04 and Flash has stopped working on all of my browsers. Any suggestions as to get this fixed?
[20:33] <James147> BluesKaj: window rules are in "kwinrulesrc", they arnt stored for each application
[20:33] <PhilRod_> mark___: it happened to me and so I installed flash manually, but that's not really ideal
[20:34] <mark___> What would be an idea way..?
[20:34] <PhilRod_> (there seems to be a big in the flashplugin-installer package where it downloads the installer, but doesn't actually run it)
[20:35] <James147> werner_: try %U
[20:35] <PhilRod_> mark___: if you want to do what I did (but I would emphasize that it's certainly not recommended): wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[20:35] <mark___> That seems really confusing. To do this though would Ijust do an "apt-get install flashplugin-installer" command?
[20:36] <Daskreech> werner_: Not that I know of. It's kinda like a subset of ECMAscript
[20:36] <mark___> PhilRod_:  At this point I don't even mind the hard way. After I do that what would the second step be?
[20:37] <PhilRod_> mark___:  tar zxvf adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[20:37] <werner_> James147: Thank you! XD
[20:37] <mark___> PhilRod_:  That it?
[20:37] <PhilRod_> mark___: a couple more steps
[20:37] <James147> mark___: try reinstalling it with apt--get first ^^  "sudo apt-get install --reinstall flashplugin-installer"
[20:38] <OerHeks> mark___, empty the flash cookies in ~/.macromedia/Flash_Player/#SharedObjects/ helped me with nonstarting videos
[20:38] <mark___> It's not just videos. Flash apps aren't working either - like Rdio.
[20:39] <mark___> James147:  Thanks, that worked just fine!
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> mark___: can you give a pastebin of the output of:  lsb_release -a; uname -a; dpkg -l | egrep "flash|gnash|swf"
[20:39] <mark___> I really appreciate the help everyone :D
[20:39] <PhilRod_> mark___: cd adobe-flashplugin-<IP_ADDRESS>.orig/i386; sudo cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[20:39] <ActionParsnip> mark___: ahh then its ok
[20:40] <mark___> Help for Linux OS's is always so amazing. I've never had trouble with it, and out of Linux Mint, Ubuntu, and OpenSuse, Kubuntu's is the best.
[20:40] <mark___> So thank you guys alot :D
[20:40] <LINKSWORD2> ... That was not fun.
[20:40] <LINKSWORD2> !image
[20:41] <LINKSWORD2> !imagebin
[20:42] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm.... Looks like upgrading the system fixed that problem. Now I have another.
[20:42] <LINKSWORD2> Screenshot: http://imagebin.org/170458
[20:51] <ActionParsnip> aaa
[21:01] <James147> LINKSWORD2: hmm, I use to see that when i loged out while still having a program launched by running kdesudo... its kde sessions trying to restore the program, but dosnt supply any arguments
[21:01] <James147> LINKSWORD2: I think logging out and back in cleanly should fix it (as long as your not running an application with kdesudo at the time :) )
[21:10] <LINKSWORD2> Uh... James147, I haven't been trying to launch any programs with KDESudo.  Seems to be a common problem, yet the many suggested solutions doesn't seem to work for me.
[21:12] <hallman> I've also looked through the ubuntu wiki on X troubleshooting, HighCPU in particular.. I find it hard to believe that it's a client application. It's not software rasterizing. I've tried various drivers. Logs seem fine.
[22:42] <waner> hola
[22:42] <waner> chat en español
[22:43] <Daskreech> !es
[23:35] <smok> hi
[23:36] <smok> i am using amarok and i make aa sql base
[23:36] <smok> everithing its ok
[23:36] <smok> but when when i search the FILES with amarok, only i can see .mpe files
[23:36] <smok> but in local collecion i can see the wma files..
[23:36] <smok> how can i fixe this?


 Also, once you've created you a script that does what you want, you can add all kinda bells and whistles to dump the same data in other formats, too.  JSON, Markdown, whatever...
[00:01] <keithzg-M> Depending on what format you want it in in the end, though, a simple set of find-and-replace rules might be all you need! But yeah, blooalien's right, if you've got a Python (or other) script that actually ingests and understands the XML your phone dumps out, then that makes it nicely easy to then choose and fiddle with how you output it again.
 @Roey, I personally prefer a third-party library called BeautifulSoup for parsing HTML/XML tho.  It's easier to work with, I think.
[00:02] <Roey> blooalien: I've used it for scraping web sites before
[00:02] <Roey> beautifulsoup
 Ya, it's a good one.  Fairly easy to rip the XML up into usable little bits.
 More'n more, Python's turning into my first choice for wrangling any kinda data in any sorta creative ways.
 Just started to learn DBus in Python last night.  That one's gonna lead to a ton of fun for me, seein' as how so MANY apps in Kubuntu export a DBus interface.
[00:06] <Roey> IrcsomeBot2: like which ones are you thinking
[00:06]  * keithzg-M kindof hates BeautifulSoup since a core component of the build system at work is stuck on Python 2.7 due to some BeautifulSoup complications, grrr
[00:06] <Roey> er
[00:07] <Roey> blooalien: like, which ones specifically?
[00:07] <Roey> keithzg-M: eeeeek I thought they had migrated it to python3 by now???
 @IrcsomeBot, They can't upgrade to BS4?
[00:07] <Roey> aren't most packages migrated to python3 by now?
 Pretty sure the latest BeautifulSoup is totally Python3 friendly last I checked?
[00:08] <keithzg-M> Yeah it's the upgrade to BS4 that's the problem, breaks some specific things for us apparently
[00:08] <keithzg-M> So we're stuck on an older BS version, which is BS :P
[00:09] <keithzg-M> blooalien: DBus and Python is great, on my SailfishOS phone there's currently no working Google Hangouts client so I installed the cli client "hangups" via `pip`. And despite running in a terminal, it still gives me standard notifications! I haven't checked but I'm sure that's via DBus.
 @Roey, Like which apps export a DBus interface to talk to?  A whole mess of 'em.  Install `qdbusviewer` (it it isn't already) and look around both the system and session bus'es.  :)
[00:09] <Roey> blooalien: hmm, I suppose
[00:10] <keithzg-M> Yeah any application that's a good citizen uses DBus :)
 @keithzg-M, Ouch.  That's harsh.  They need to fix their codebase.  Python 2 is basically dead.  :)
[00:10] <Roey> I wish Hexchat did dbus
[00:11] <Roey> or wiat maybe it does some bus, I forget
 @keithzg-M, Various bits of KDE itself exports a mess of super-useful DBus interfaces, too.
[00:11] <keithzg-M> blooalien: That's what I've been saying for ages, but I mean, we also still use a bugtracker whose last supported Ubuntu Server version is 12.04 so, it's possible that the engineers at my work are a little change-phobic . . .
[00:11] <keithzg-M> blooalien: Oh I well know! I've used and abused that much myself in the past, great way to tie things together in bespoke ways.
 @keithzg-M, OUCH!  Super-not-good from a security viewpoint.  Change is inevitable and unavoidable, therefore patching against old bugs and new security holes by keeping everything updated as much as humanly possible is always a good deal for all.
[00:13] <keithzg-M> True, although for our old bugtracker there's not a HUGE amount of issue. I mean, we don't even use passwords to log into it, so it's not like there's much more that could be done via some security exploit ;)
[00:14] <keithzg-M> I'm also running it in a VM, on a physical machine that does nothing other than run that one VM, haha
 @keithzg-M, Reminds me a lot of the old ARexx scripting/messagebus on Commodore AmigaOS back in the day.
 @keithzg-M, Ya, specially on an internal network, but in those sorts of cases, a good automated backup setup (or as you're doing, a VM, periodic snapshots) is still good practice.  :)
[00:15] <keithzg-M> I mean in all honesty if the old system suddenly got taken out somehow and we lost a bunch . . . maybe then finally people would give up on it :P
[00:16]  * keithzg-M literally has a fresh, always-up-to-date Phabricator instance running too, and has transitioned a number of projects to it, but those damned stubborn engineers . . .
 Something like that, the only excuse I can think of for upgrading (if it's living in some secured space like that) would be if I had found something superior enough in every way to make the time spent upgrading worth it.  ;)
 Then I'd set it up on a secondary system and wire it through some hacky Python API to the old system until the last of the stubborns had migrated to the new better setup.  :)
[00:19] <keithzg-M> I mean it's a terrible, archaic bugtracker. The most immediately obvious annoying part is how what it shows with the preview of a comment isn't how the comment will actually be displayed once submitted. And then every time you edit a comment (which you might have to multiple times, since there's no telling how things'll look until you submit!) it emails all participants in that bug. And that's just the start of the woes .
[00:19] <keithzg-M> . .
 Looks like I can manage `systemd` via DBus.  That might be useful for user-service units especially.
 @keithzg-M, Ouch.  Sounds like time to move to self-hosted Gitea.  ;)
[00:21] <keithzg-M> Well the database is backed up automatically quite often, and I've written an entire (improved) read-only frontend to it in PHP, and a setup for searching and listing from both the old Fogbugz instance and the new Phabricator instance, so now it's just a matter of waiting for folks to glacially-slowly switch over, or more likely them all to mostly stay on Fogbugz til it dies :P
[00:21] <keithzg-M> And hahahaha, Gitea would be useless for us! You're making the naive assumption that our projects generally use something as modern as Git ;)
 Set up a fancy little Gitea on a Raspberry Pi inna corner and migrate 'em over one by one.  LOL
 Start hacking prominent links to the new setup you've got right into the pages of the old setup?  Maybe even put 'em in blinky red and yellow text like old Geocities pages?  Hehehe
 Gitea with Git-LFS support enabled is super sweet tho.  Just sayin'...
 Hide it behind a nice nginx/squidcache setup and...
[00:25] <keithzg-M> Well if I go that far I risk angering the top engineer of them all at my work, my boss! Although I did hack in links to the read-only site from it.
[00:25]  * keithzg-M personally far prefers Phabricator's interface to Giteas though
 @IrcsomeBot, Won't lie...  Phabricator does look pretty slick.
 I'm mostly just a fan of Gitea because it's easy as hell to setup even on a modest system like a Pi, or a VPS, and my needs for such software tend to the modest side.  :)
[00:31] <keithzg-M> I like Phabricator so much I run a personal instance too, heh, although I use less of the bugtracking and code hosting there and more of the hierarchical wiki and the meme storage ;)
 @keithzg-M, Right on.  I'ma big fan of self-hostable options.
 Nice to be able to keep some degree of control over one's data...  :)
[00:35] <keithzg-M> Yeah, definitely.
[00:36]  * keithzg-M also runs his own Nextcloud instance, his own Matrix server, his own Fediverse server . . . not email though, email is just too annoying :P
 Nextcloud is EPIC
 Been eyeballin' Fediverse stuff and Matrix for a while now.  Just ain't gotten around to tryin' either except as a user of other's servers.
[00:49] <keithzg-M> It's probably most useful to use the Fediverse as part of an existing server; I'm only running my own since the instance I was previously on, which had a great community, is kindof dying due to its mods of Mastodon being incompatible with current upstream and the admin having too busy of a life to maintain it anymore. So I fired up a personal Pleroma instance (which is much less documented but way simpler and lighter to
[00:49] <keithzg-M> set up than Mastodon with its bazillion dependencies, as always seems to be true with Ruby stuff).
[00:50] <keithzg-M> (Pleroma is written in Elixir, I think? Some fun weird thing. Certainly seems lighter than Ruby projects, heh.)
[00:51] <keithzg-M> Although I run my own Matrix server I'm piggybacking off the matrix.org bridge to Freenode to talk right now, heh. But overall even if one doesn't join any Matrix channels, it makes for a very reliable mobile IRC client!
 Pleroma...  Hmmm...  I think I have that bookmarked.
 Yea, I think Pleroma is the one I was actually lookin' at.
[06:15] <e|f> Hi.  I have an ACER Aspire laptop.  Recently wiped it of Windows and installed Kubuntu 18.04.3 LTS from a burned DVD ISO.  Now the computer goes into a loop on boot.  Shows the ACER screen, then a few lines of text too fast to read, then reboots.  I've checked the BIOS and Boot menu.  Shows "Linplus lite."  Any thoughts on a fix?  Thanks!
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:35] <wilson31> Hi, anyone knows that plasma-browser-integration support plasma 5.12?
[12:21] <franzpow_> Hello! how to enable permission onn copying files into usr/share directory?
[12:27] <franzpow_> I know about chmod but I don't know how to use it
[12:30] <diogenes_> franzpow_, what do you mean permissions? you don't want to mess up with permissions, you just want to use: sudo cp file /usr/share/xyz
[12:32] <franzpow_> Oh, so basically if I want to move some folders to usr/share/xyz I just executr sudo cp file?
[12:33] <diogenes_> franzpow_, for files: sudo cp file /usr/share/xyz, for folders: sudo cp -r foldername /usr/share/xyz
[12:33] <diogenes_> so remember to put -r when you copy a folder.
[12:36] <franzpow_> Ok I will try that later. Thank you diogenes_
[12:36] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:47] <franzpow> BluesKaj: hello
[12:47] <BluesKaj> hi franzpow
[13:52] <franzpow> diogenes_ Thank you. It worked
[13:53] <diogenes_> you're welcome
 Hi.  How to access a window desktop remotely from kubuntu
[14:10] <diogenes_> theraize, via teamviewer or anydesk, i prefer anydesk.
[14:11] <diogenes_> theraize. there is also google chrome remote thing.
[14:37] <franzpow> Personally I use vnc
[14:37] <franzpow> And I think that is good
 No i cant use these , it is a terminal server ..
[15:20] <franzpow_> Hey BluesKaj you sent me a link to a website about upgrading wine to 5.0, i can't find it anymore. I solved the problems I had yesterday but, several installations, now "wine --versions" says that I have installed wine 4.0.2 (!!!)
[15:20] <franzpow_> I would like to try again to update safely to 5.0 without  breaking again my vst bridge
[15:21] <franzpow_> BluesKaj: can you help me?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> franzpow_, it's simple, just do a search in your browser history for wine 5 like I did :-)  http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/01/install-wine-5-0-stable-ubuntu-18-04-19-10/
[15:24] <franzpow_> Mmmm i did not find it! I was searching in the browser history
[15:24] <franzpow_> Infact, I think you sent me this link! https://itsfoss.com/wine-5-release/
[15:25] <franzpow_> Because here it is explained how to remove the old version!
[15:25] <franzpow_> Thank you anyway and sorry to have bothered you :-)
[20:58] <IrcsomeBot2> Alang59 was added by: Alang59
 Hello
 Someone has tutorials to make Plasma look like Unity ?
[21:01] <IrcsomeBot2> josebenaque was added by: josebenaque
[21:05] <oerheks> sudo apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop # logout, change to unity, login, voila
[21:11] <trakinas> oerheks: hehehehehe!
 @oerheks, Lol. This is not funny.
 @Alang59, I'm even not in Ubuntu. I'm using Solus Plasma.


[00:06] <hatch> hmph I found a databinding test that was passing by accident
[00:06] <hatch> hehe oops
[00:12] <hatch> only 99 more test failures to go!
[00:12] <hatch> 99 test failures on the wal....99 test failures
[00:12] <hatch> you knock one down, re-run the tests, there's 98 test failures on the wall
[00:21] <hatch> 98
[00:21] <hatch> :)
[00:26] <hatch> 86 aww yeah
[00:30] <rick_h> lol, what did you do to break things so?
[00:32] <hatch> 70!!
[00:32] <hatch> aww man I'm killin it
[00:33] <hatch> rick_h: haha too many flybys
[00:33] <hatch> I'm not even finished this branch but I have to land it because of the flyby bug fixes/enhancements
[00:42] <hatch> yup so many failing tests because of small driveby fixes
[00:42] <hatch> bcsaller: still around by chance?
[00:43] <bcsaller> yeah
[00:43] <hatch> so I think the unit count driveby broke the google analytics code
[00:43] <hatch> because we no longer use ServiceUnitList correct?
[00:44] <hatch> the test that's failing is test_model.js:158
[00:44] <bcsaller> looking
[00:45] <hatch> my mind is fried I should probably take a break
[00:45] <hatch> after this test!
[00:45] <bcsaller> hatch: iirc we didn't remove the global list (I wasn't sure what was using it) so the delta should update both
[00:45] <bcsaller> and the update_agg... method does get called, we saw that yesterday
[00:46] <hatch> yup but I think that the || 0 is causing the test to fail
[00:48] <bcsaller> ahh, because it was changed to take the current unit list size so prev never differs from sum
[00:48] <hatch> well sort of
[00:48] <hatch> in investigating sum is 0 instead of 1
[00:49] <bcsaller> I think its an ordering issue, it was using the cached value of unit_count, but taking the size of that unit_list directly depends on the order of the update in the delta code
[00:49] <hatch> just grabbing the old code to look at it
[00:51] <hatch> ahh
[00:51] <hatch> aggregate
[00:51] <hatch> Object {pending: 1}
[00:51] <hatch> so yep you're right...
[00:51] <hatch> hmm
[00:52] <hatch> so we still need a 'total' sum for analytics
[00:52] <hatch> ick that doesn't feel right
[00:52] <bcsaller> we have total, its the prev value thats getting lost
[00:53] <hatch> well no at the time of the check there are 0 units in the service
[00:53] <hatch> but there is 1 in pending in the aggregate
[00:53] <bcsaller> service.units.size() is total, but the old size of that list is the thing in question
[00:53] <hatch> prev_total_units is undefined in the test
[00:53] <bcsaller> ahh, sounds like the order is opposite from what I thought it would be then
[00:54] <hatch> yeah so it should probably be reverted then?
[00:54] <hatch> I'm thinking that to properly fix this is going to be more than a quick driveby
[00:54] <bcsaller> that is simplest or move the _gaq code into the handlers module and do it on a serviceunitslist after change
[00:54] <bcsaller> yeah, I'm fine with a rollback
[00:54] <hatch> heh gaq
[00:55] <hatch> I think that's the proper place to move it but this branch has so many drivebys already
[00:55] <hatch> how about I create a ticket for this change?
[00:59] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1212897
[00:59] <_mup_> Bug #1212897: Update service unit aggregate function to use new service unit location  <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1212897>
[01:05] <hatch> only 1 failure now!
[01:05] <hatch> AssertionError: expected '2w' to equal '3'
[01:05] <hatch> uhh wut?
[01:05] <hatch> lol
[01:09] <hatch> w00t 0!
[01:09] <hatch> now to make sure the app still works after I fixed all the tests lol
[01:11] <hatch> *sigh*
[01:18] <hatch> bcsaller: I think there is a bug in your fix
[01:18] <hatch> the prevValue stuff is now reporting the incorrect key sometimes
[01:19] <bcsaller> hatch: unexpected or wrong, if you queue two changes to a key in a single window what do you expect to see, the first value or the second?
[01:21] <hatch> do you have a second to look at the code? I can push it up
[01:22] <hatch> bzr branch lp:~hatch/juju-gui/scale-up-ui
[01:22] <hatch> databinding.js:172 the bindingName and the e.changed object sometimes don't match
[01:27] <bcsaller> hatch: looking now
[01:29] <bcsaller> hatch: you set it on the binding, which is the object describing the relationship between the model and the DOM, it is not a per-change datastructure
[01:30] <bcsaller> so the issue in the preVal stuff
[01:30] <bcsaller> need a hand with a fix?
[01:31] <hatch> haha I guess I thought that this was the place to modify the delta
[01:31] <hatch> I essentially wanted to augment the detla object with it's previous value
[01:36] <bcsaller> yeah, there isn't really an object like that because the updateDOM handles that relationship in a fixed way. Getting the preVal and saying its the first value of a buffered update window to change on the model makes sense to add, but it would have to be managed in the event layer, not the in bindings
[01:37] <hatch> so is it looking like adding the prev value stuff now is going to be an issue?
[01:37] <hatch> as in not just a few lines?
[01:52] <huwshimi> Turns out what I thought I'd broken behaves the same in trunk...
[01:53] <rick_h> huwshimi: yay! / booo!
[01:54] <huwshimi> rick_h: Yeah, what a waste of time! :)
[01:54] <rick_h> huwshimi: make sure you keep up the current work on the cards so jcsackett and I don't dupe IE work
[01:55] <huwshimi> rick_h: Sure
[01:56] <rick_h> huwshimi: thanks
[01:56] <huwshimi> rick_h: Although apparently we can only have two active cards :(
[01:56] <bcsaller> hatch: I think it might still be a few lines, just different lines, we'd keep a mapping like we do with the keys that exists between updateDOM intervals, when we get a change for a key not in the map we record its preVal in that map and then feed that as an additional argument to update calls, then clear it at the end of updateDOM
[01:56] <rick_h> huwshimi: I've been overriding with the exception "Die IE Die"
[01:57] <huwshimi> rick_h: haha
[08:50] <rogpeppe> does anyone know how to use the new charm browser to list all available charms?
[11:34] <rick_h> rogpeppe: hit enter in the search box
[11:34] <rick_h> rogpeppe: and if you want *all* uncheck the reviewed/series default checkboxes in the filters
[11:35] <rick_h> rogpeppe: https://jujucharms.com/fullscreen/search/?text= is the url that you end up with.
[11:42] <rogpeppe> rick_h: thanks. i was sure i tried that...
[12:00] <rogpeppe> rick_h: i actually ended up using the charm tool, ("charm list" followed by a fair amount of manual text mangling)
[12:05] <rick_h> rogpeppe: k
[12:06] <rogpeppe> rick_h: i'd still like to be able to fetch a definitive list of all the charm urls in the charm store
[12:06] <rogpeppe> rick_h: i've just realised i've probably missed a load, as i only fetched charms in ~charmers or in lp:charm/xxx
[12:07] <rick_h> rogpeppe: http://manage.jujucharms.com/api/2/charms?text=
[12:07] <rick_h> rogpeppe: you can use the api like the gui does. Sec, let me get the docs
[12:08] <rick_h> rogpeppe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-jitsu/charmworld/trunk/view/head:/docs/api.rst
[12:08] <rogpeppe> rick_h: awesome! that's just what i want, i think
[12:11] <rogpeppe> rick_h: thanks a lot
[12:12] <rick_h> rogpeppe: get what you need? we do have this bug out there, but it sounds like you wanted the urls directly so not sure it would have helped. #1202306
[12:12] <_mup_> Bug #1202306: We need an "all" category <juju-gui:Triaged by lucapaulina> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202306>
[12:13] <rogpeppe> rick_h: yeah, it looks exactly what i need, and a nice regular format, trivial to parse in go.
[12:13] <rick_h> rogpeppe: cool, the only ones missing would be bad charms we can't import. Just a disclaimer to the final list
[12:14] <rogpeppe> rick_h: ah, well, i don't mind too much about them.
[12:37] <rogpeppe> rick_h: FWIW, here's my little script that downloads all known charms from the store: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5992556/
[12:38] <rick_h> rogpeppe: cool, apis ftw
[12:38] <rogpeppe> rick_h: they weren't all valid
[12:38] <rogpeppe> rick_h: but i successfully got 663
[12:38] <rogpeppe> rick_h: yeah!
[13:42] <sinzui> bac, abentley. Do either of you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/charmworld/modern-py/+merge/180562
[13:42] <abentley> sinzui: Sure.
[13:47] <abentley> sinzui: r=me.
[13:50] <hatch> morning
[13:50] <rick_h> morning party people
[13:51] <jcsackett> morning all.
[13:52] <hatch> yay for IE fixes you guys rock
[13:52] <rick_h> :P
[13:53] <rick_h> hatch: can you do the second review on huw's this morning please?
[13:53] <hatch> I can yep
[13:53] <rick_h> I think with that, Makyo's icon fixes, and jcsackett's in progrss branch that closes up the ones we had cards for at least
[13:53] <rick_h> just that drag/drop 'odd' one left in launchpad
[13:54] <hatch> rick_h: that one is fixed
[13:54] <hatch> I landed a fix for that last week
[13:55] <hatch> updated the ticket
[13:55] <hatch> sry
[13:55] <hatch> having fix committed and in progress the same color makes it hard to scan...
[13:56] <rick_h> hatch: ah, gotcha
[13:57] <rick_h> oops, my bad jcsackett. I was going through reviews this morning and it was open with the old code
[13:58] <hatch> horrible person allert
[13:59] <jcsackett> rick_h: it's up with the right code for review now.
[13:59] <jcsackett> https://codereview.appspot.com/12760045/
[13:59] <rick_h> jcsackett: thanks looking
[13:59] <rick_h> "You do not have permission to view this issue"?
[14:00] <hatch> that's what you get for being a horrible person :P
[14:00] <rick_h> jcsackett: is there a note on what the span with class absolute is for?
[14:00] <jcsackett> rick_h: zuh? that's deleted.
[14:00] <jcsackett> i don't see it in the MP when i'm looking.
[14:00] <rick_h> jcsackett: looking at the LP review
[14:01] <rick_h> https://code.launchpad.net/~jcsackett/juju-gui/ac-moves-the-screen-down/+merge/180363 ?
[14:01] <jcsackett> rick_h: go to https://codereview.appspot.com/12760045/
[14:01] <rick_h> jcsackett: I can't, see error above ^
[14:01] <jcsackett> rick_h: nuts to this. i'm deleting it all, will ping when i've got it resubmitted.
[14:02] <jcsackett> i have no idea why LP is showing one thing and rietveld is showing another.
[14:02] <rick_h> jcsackett: ugh and ugh. Thanks
[14:05] <benji> abentley: thanks for the good review of my branch, it is in the process of merging, but I though you might be interested in the tweaks I made to address the points you raised: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~benji/charmworld/update-bundle-api/revision/350
[14:10] <abentley> benji: Have you tested that non-dict values are jsonified correctly?  Because lists and strings and bools are instances of object.
[14:10] <hatch> jcsackett: I was pretty sure that the autocomplete list box was set to position absolute by default
[14:10] <hatch> are we sure we aren't missing any classes?
[14:10] <jcsackett> hatch: rick_h and i both looked at this. it is set by default in all browser but IE10
[14:11] <benji> abentley: ooh, that's a good question; I'll add tests to that effect and see what comes
[14:11] <hatch> seriously?
[14:11] <hatch> ugh
[14:11] <hatch> that sounds like a YUI bug
[14:12] <rick_h> hatch: so somehting was setting it in the actual element with style="xxx yyy position: relative"
[14:12] <rick_h> hatch: I couldn't dupe it in defualt yui examples in IE
[14:12] <rick_h> in other browsers there was no edits to the element with a manual style=""
[14:12] <rick_h> hatch: so not sure where it was coming from tbh
[14:12] <rick_h> hatch: and since chrome/etc aren't doing it I can't set a breakpoint on dom changes
[14:13] <hatch> aww damn that sucks
[14:13] <rick_h> hatch: yea, it's hacky, and no idea why it's mis-behaving. but it works :/
[14:13] <hatch> I'll take one review/qa on it
[14:14] <hatch> rick_h: are you going to land huw's branch?
[14:14] <rick_h> hatch: I wasn't going to no. I figured it's not a rush and he can land it as long as he gets the two reviews
[14:15] <hatch> ehh that won't be until monday
[14:15] <hatch> I can do it later
[14:15] <antdillon> Hi guys, I have a prototype for Luca and he would like it hosted somewhere. How do you host a fork of the juju-gui?
[14:15] <rick_h> hatch: but it's friday. I'm not going ot notice it :)
[14:15] <jcsackett> rick_h, hatch: the MP is back up. https://codereview.appspot.com/12932044
[14:16] <hatch> rick_h: haha - well if I have time I'll land it...we'll see :)
[14:16] <rick_h> jcsackett: thanks
[14:17] <luca> Makyo: bcsaller hey, are you guys there?
[14:18] <hatch> antdillon: luca if it's just for a short time you could put it on ec2
[14:18] <hatch> I'm not sure if you have your juju env's set up though
[14:18] <rick_h> antdillon: yea, normally we run them on ec2 or something and point everyone at the url
[14:19] <hatch> I used git yesterday - I had to look up the equiv for 'bzr info' heh oh boy I'm out of touch
[14:20] <rick_h> hatch: lol
[14:20] <hatch> I even know how to diff in bzr now like a boss...
[14:20] <hatch> I have leveled up
[14:20] <antdillon> rick_h, hatch Cool, how would I get it on ec2?
[14:20] <hatch> antdillon: hopes and dreams.....hopes and dreams
[14:21] <hatch> but for real....do you have a juju env set up?
[14:21] <hatch> :)
[14:21] <antdillon> hatch, Ran out of them a long time ago
[14:21] <hatch> haha
[14:21] <antdillon> hatch, Locally I do, nothing else where
[14:21] <rick_h> antdillon: heh, you can be a docs guinea pig for marcoceppi and company :) https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/getting-started.html
[14:21] <hatch> ok so yeah you can follow those docs
[14:22] <hatch> or try and find one of us with some time to put it up for you :)
[14:22] <antdillon> hatch, I'll trail the docs and see how I get on :)
[14:22] <Makyo> luca, hey, sorry, little late.  Here now.
[14:22] <antdillon> rick_h, Thanks
[14:23] <hatch> antdillon: sure thing - let us know if you run into any issues
[14:23] <hatch> you'll require an ec2 account of course
[14:24] <hatch> jcsackett: LGTM QA OK
[14:26] <hatch> oh Windows 8.... "Shutdown" "Update and restart" umm I think it's missing an option there
[14:26] <hatch> except I think shutting down also installs the updates heh
[14:28] <hatch> rick_h: at the sprint/ sometime else I'd like a hand fixing my vim/terminal setup, somehow I managed to turn http://vim.spf13.com/ into a white background with white text in vim
[14:28] <hatch> lol
[14:29] <rick_h> hatch: lol, ok. Sounds good
[14:29] <hatch> I'm sure I'm missing something but I just can't figure out where these styles get applied
[14:29] <rick_h> :colorscheme
[14:29] <rick_h> :colorscheme <tab> to get a lits of ones available
[14:29] <luca> Makyo: can we talk scaling?
[14:29] <rick_h> and maybe that can get you unstuck for a moment
[14:29] <Makyo> luca, sure.
[14:30] <hatch> rick_h: yeah I have to do :color ir_black every time I open it
[14:31] <hatch> https://github.com/seebi/tmux-colors-solarized I attempted this first
[14:31] <hatch> also with varying degress of success
[14:31] <hatch> heh
[14:31] <hatch> man I can not type today
[14:33] <rick_h> hatch: well look for 'colorscheme' in your ~/.vimrc
[14:33] <rick_h> hatch: it should be set in there, maybe twice if running different colors for cmd-line vs gui
[14:33] <hatch> I think there is a conflict between the colorschemes and the tmux/zsh themes
[14:33] <luca> Makyo: guichat?
[14:33] <Makyo> luca, sure, on my way.
[14:33] <hatch> luca: are you talking the sclaeup/down?
[14:33] <hatch> I'm working on that right now, mind if I join?
[14:43] <benji> abentley: I added tests for serializing non-mapping types and made them pass; thanks
[14:44] <abentley> benji: Cool.
[14:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[14:50] <Makyo> Kanabaaaaaaaan!
[14:51] <hatch> this....is.....kannnabaaaaaaaan
[14:56] <hatch> Makyo: I was really hoping I could drop this upgrade units stuff off a cliff instead of pick up another card :P
[14:57] <Makyo> hatch, Well, you can defer it for another...three minutes?
[14:57]  * Makyo helpful
[14:58] <hatch> lol
[14:59] <Makyo> jujugui call in 1
[15:01] <Makyo> abentley, call now
[15:46] <hatch> bcsaller: once I'm done with rick then we can chat
[15:47] <benji> abentley: I need to take a quick break and then do you want to chat about handoff of your current card?
[15:47] <sinzui> adeuring, We have a call scheduled in 75 minutes, but I think Mark R is off today
[15:48] <sinzui> We can show up, but I suspect we need to reschedule.
[15:48] <adeuring> sinzui: ok
[15:52] <abentley> benji: was going to take lunch in a few.  How about 68 minutes from now?
[15:54] <benji> abentley: sounds good
[15:57] <bcsaller> hatch: just let me know, I'll  have some coffee in the meantime
[16:05] <hatch> bcsaller:  ok in guichat
[17:48] <hatch> so hows everyones day going?
[17:59] <hatch> that good hey? ;)
[18:02] <hatch> yusss https://www.webkit.org/blog/2910/improved-support-for-high-resolution-displays-with-the-srcset-image-attribute/
[18:23] <bac> hah, typo of the day from an email i just received:  "If I click on the undicode it brings up the glyph"
[18:25] <hatch> jujugui could I get two reviews on https://codereview.appspot.com/12784046/ pllllzzzzz
[18:25] <benji> hatch: I'll do one
[18:25] <bac> sure
[18:25] <hatch> thanks guys
[18:33] <abentley> benji: lp:~abentley/charmworld/bundle-heads
[18:34] <benji> cool
[18:34] <abentley> benji: It has a bunch of refactoring  because I wanted to be able to test the bundle docs, to ensure they had the both the mongo id and the elasticsearch id.  But I'm not wedded to that approach.
[18:35] <benji> ok
[18:37] <hatch> hmm something just dinged me but I don't show any messages :/
[18:47] <abentley> sinzui: I doubt that we will ever be able to implement  #1086551 since updating a readme means pushing to launchpad.  (Doing it locally would lead to conflicts when the branch's copy of the readme changed.)
[18:47] <_mup_> Bug #1086551: Allow inline editing of a charm's README <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086551>
[18:48] <sinzui> abentley, indeed
[18:53] <hatch> so funny story jshint now has indentation support and it thinks it should be done differently then gjshint
[18:53] <hatch> lol
[18:55] <hatch> the new jshint is crazy fast though
[18:55] <hatch> even if all it's doing now is throwing 15027 errors
[18:55] <sinzui> abentley, I think the bug implies ownership. I think an oauth proc would be required. It would branch, patch, and push in the name of the oauth
[18:56] <sinzui> abentley, I don't see anyone building that when charmers review every charm before reading the webui
[18:56] <Makyo> jujugui 1 review for trivial: https://codereview.appspot.com/13069043
[18:56] <abentley> sinzui: In order for it to do that, it would have to be part of Launchpad, because the only way Launchpad currently supports updating a branch is via SSH.
[18:57] <abentley> sinzui: Or we'd need to update Launchpad's SSH to support OAUTH.
[19:01] <hatch> jujugui is there a reason why we jshint our json mocks?
[19:01] <hatch> I'd like to remove them as json now follows the same config as js
[19:01] <bcsaller> I can't think of a good reason
[19:02] <Makyo> hatch, +1  If the mocks are broken, it will be reflected in the tests.
[19:02] <bac> hatch: so to qa your branch i'll need to load it up in ec2?
[19:03] <hatch> bac: no I can give you a script
[19:03] <hatch> one sec
[19:03] <hatch> sorry
[19:04] <hatch> bac: here is the code that will throttle the add unit creation https://gist.github.com/hatched/118a91ba19be71bde4f2
[19:04] <sinzui> abentley, I thought there was a comparable bug for Lp or loggerhead, but I cannot find one. I wanted to dup the issue
[19:04] <hatch> it's a hack so you'll have to do it manually
[19:05] <hatch> bcsaller: Makyo ok thanks for the sanity check, removing them from JSFILES in the makefile
[19:06] <hatch> oh boy this is one heck of a command
[19:06] <hatch> haha
[19:06] <hatch> hmm
[19:06] <hatch> it 'should' be ignoring them now
[19:06] <hatch> I think...
[19:07] <benji> abentley: I'm going away now, but I don't see anything in your branch that raises any questions -- instead I'm sure that'll happen when you're not here to answer them ;)
[19:08] <abentley> benji: okay, have fun.  If you do have questions, sinzui's mental model is close to mine.
[19:08] <benji> cool
[19:14] <hatch> benji: lol fyi `e` is the convention in YUI for event object :)
[19:15] <benji> I'll be sure to donate some of our lottery winnings to the YUI project then.
[19:15] <hatch> haha - belive me I'm definitely a fan of the real variables
[19:15] <hatch> maybe it's just habit
[19:17] <hatch> so funny thing - after fixing the config and the makefile for the new jshint - the new one actually caught more errors
[19:17] <hatch> so my guess is that it would have caught the one nicola found
[19:31] <abentley> orangesquad or bac: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/charmworld/remove-redudant-id/+merge/180642 ?
[19:31] <sinzui> I can
[19:34] <sinzui> abentley, \o/ I can remove an xxx from by branch when your lands
[19:34] <abentley> sinzui: :-)
[19:37] <sinzui> abentley, r=me
[19:38] <abentley> sinzui: Thanks.
[19:55] <hatch> wow...there were quite a few errors that this version is making me fix
[20:20] <hatch> jujugui looking for two reviews on the upgrade jshint branch https://codereview.appspot.com/13072043/ Thanks
[20:25] <jcsackett> hatch: you've got oen.
[20:25] <jcsackett> s/oen/one/
[20:26] <hatch> thanks sir
[20:27] <hatch> bac: I agree that we should pluralize that but right now I reaaaaaly want to land this branch so in a follow-up :)
[20:27] <bac> hatch: a-ok
[20:27] <hatch> I'd also like a QA of that jshint upgrade branch......just to be safe :)
[20:28] <hatch> basically make sure it can still 'make' and 'make lint'
[20:37] <hatch> anyone else able to take a peek/qa of that jshint branch?
[20:38] <hatch> it went up 2 major versions so could use another qa :)
[20:48]  * sinzui thinks elasticsearch tests get slow after repeated test runs
[20:50] <sinzui> 31s, 44s, 49s, 57s, 79s, 168s
[20:54] <hatch> haha
[20:54] <hatch> that's odd
[20:54] <hatch> rick_h: Makyo: I'm going to land huw's changes now
[20:55] <Makyo> Good luck.
[20:55] <Makyo> Yer gonna need it.
[20:55] <hatch> lol am I?
[20:55] <Makyo> Well, no, probably not.
[20:55] <hatch> haha
[20:55] <Makyo> Just trying to branch out from Airplane! to Star Wars.
[20:56] <hatch> you should try anchorman
[20:56] <hatch> stay classy san diego
[20:56] <Makyo> Hah, I have yet to see that, actually.
[20:56] <Makyo> James won't watch it with me, though.
[20:57] <hatch> no? is he a hater?
[20:57] <Makyo> Hahaha
[20:57] <hatch> a Will Ferrell hater that is
[20:57] <hatch> they are out there
[20:57] <Makyo> I have to be honest, there's only one Will Ferrell movie I've liked so far.
[20:57] <hatch> oh so you're one of 'THEM'
[20:58] <Makyo> Yep :)
[20:58] <hatch> lol I pretty much like all of his stuff
[20:58] <Makyo> I did like Stranger Than Fiction well enough.
[20:58] <Makyo> Mostly because that's some of the least typecast work I've seen.
[20:59] <hatch>  haha
[20:59] <Makyo> He wasn't even against type, just not 100% goofball.
[21:03] <hatch> ahh yeah true true
[21:03] <hatch> did the autocomplete pushdown bug in IE get landed?
[21:29] <Makyo> Looks like.
[21:34]  * Makyo dogwalks
[21:41] <hatch> bcsaller: I have a viewlet idea I'd like to bounce off of you, you around?
[21:41] <bcsaller> yeah, I'll hop on chat
[21:41] <hatch> cool I'm there
[21:59] <hatch> of course there is a new IE bug
[22:01] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1213260
[22:01] <_mup_> Bug #1213260: DDing a charm renders service icon under sidebar <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213260>
[22:04] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1213262
[22:04] <_mup_> Bug #1213262: Text is too large in ghost inspector name field <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213262>
[22:06] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1213264
[22:06] <_mup_> Bug #1213264: Overview Inspector has horizontal scroll bar in IE10 <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213264>
[22:06] <hatch> nice fresh stream of IE bugs coming in on a Friday :)
[22:07] <Makyo> None of these are so high priority as to freak out about, thankfully.
[22:07] <hatch> nope, functionally it's going well
[22:08] <hatch> Makyo: although the charm icons still are only 1/4 on trunk
[22:08] <hatch> I'm going to assume that hasn't landed yet?
[22:08] <Makyo> hatch, That fix was in charmworld, not gui.
[22:08] <hatch> ohh ok so it's still 'landing'
[22:08] <hatch> gotcha
[22:09] <Makyo> hatch, According to sinzui today, once that hits production with other work, a max of 15 minutes until icons are rebuilt.
[22:09] <hatch> great - we'll have to keep an eye on it next week
[22:12] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1213267
[22:12] <_mup_> Bug #1213267: Unit scale up constraints dialogue wraps <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213267>
[22:15] <Makyo> Ugh, IE :|
[22:16] <hatch> lol I know right?
[22:16] <hatch> hey no js errors yet
[22:16] <hatch> that's gota be something
[22:16] <hatch> lol
[22:17] <hatch> IE has this odd thing where it puts an X on the right of an input box to clear it...?
[22:21] <Makyo> Yeah, for touch stuff.
[22:21] <Makyo> I switch out of metro first thing, now.
[22:23] <hatch> oh I'm not in metro
[22:23] <hatch> I'm in desktop ie
[22:25] <hatch> I just updated it though so mayvbe it's a new feature
[22:25] <Makyo> Oh, yeah, updating now.
[22:25] <Makyo> Maybe I'll get them, too.
[22:25] <hatch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1213270 here is the bug if you want to comment
[22:25] <_mup_> Bug #1213270: IE10 has native 'Clear Input' X while input is focused in inspector <ie10> <juju-gui:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1213270>
[22:27] <Makyo> Will.  Dunno if we can do anything about it, but we'll see.  There are some attributes added to input elements now that might help.
[22:27] <Makyo> Like the no-autocomplete and no-spellcheck or whatever.
[22:27] <hatch> yeah I was thinking there might be a flag like no autocomplete
[22:27] <hatch> haha


[06:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/+bug/1556842 landed
[06:57] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1556842 in Canonical System Image "Backport patch so that forceLayout calls layout on more occasions" [Medium,Fix committed]
[07:01] <zzarr> hello!
[07:02] <zzarr> where can I upload the unity8 logs? ( I think they could be helpful)
[12:00] <dandrader> mzanetti, so Saviq is off this week, right?
[12:35] <mzanetti> dandrader, yes
[12:36] <mzanetti> ah, stimmt.. der sprint
[12:36] <mzanetti> wrong window
[12:37] <dandrader> mzanetti, so how do we proceed with landing surface-wm?
[12:37] <mzanetti> yeah, if it's ready, lets try to get it in
[12:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, I think I fixed the last remaining tests issue late last Friday
[12:38] <mzanetti> ok. I flashed silo 13 on my phone. lookin ok at a first flance
[12:38] <mzanetti> will do some more testing
[12:38] <mzanetti> greyback, should we then use silo 13 or want to start off clean?
[12:39] <dandrader> mzanetti, greyback, if we use silo 13 we have to add the prerequisites to it as well
[12:39] <greyback> dandrader: right
[12:40] <greyback> mzanetti: pleaes hold on changing silo13 just now, I'm doing final pass of AP tests on it
[12:40] <mzanetti> greyback, ok. let me know when you're ready. I can do the silo dance if you are busy with other stuff
[12:41] <greyback> mzanetti: will do
[18:06] <xevious> In Ubuntu 12.04, which Unity process keeps the screen black until the desktop is ready to be displayed?
[18:53] <davmor2> xevious: how do you mean?  If it is just the blank screen then it is gnome-screensaver that has been triggered
[18:54] <davmor2> xevious: it would help people give you the correct advice if you expanded on why you are asking though
[18:54] <xevious> Thanks. I'll post a picture to imgur.
[18:56] <davmor2> xevious: actually 12.04 on desktop end of lifed already I think
[18:57] <xevious> Well. Very weird things happened when I uploaded the image to imgur. It's not half black.
[18:57] <xevious> http://i.imgur.com/Ah3FIFv.jpg
[18:59] <xevious> I'm confused. This is how it displays on my system, when it's not uploaded to imgur: http://i.imgur.com/HpUDaoK.png
[18:59] <xevious> I think it's just a corrupted image file.
[19:01] <xevious> Well, jpeginfo says it's fine.
[19:02] <xevious> I had assumed something drew the screen black in Unity and had a vertical wipe animation that revealed the desktop from the top down.
[19:02] <davmor2> xevious: check the lead to the monitor is in square
[19:03] <xevious> This is a screenshot taken with VirtualBox (vboxmanage controlvm ... screenshotpng) that was converted to jpeg. I'll have to modify the process to leave the PNG around and check if it also contains something that looks wrong.
[19:05] <davmor2> xevious: you might be better off asking on #ubuntu that is the general help and support channel there will be more people there that might be able to think of solutions for you
[19:07] <xevious> My questions will mostly be about lower-level Unity behavior, so it seems like this is probably the place to ask.
[19:08] <xevious> I'm developing code that interacts with Unity.
[19:13] <xevious> Does Unity emit anything over dbus after a new session has completely started (panel, menu bar, tray icons, etc.)?
[22:06] <user1397> does unity 8 depend on gnome for anything?