[05:25] <daniels> if you delete HorizSync and VertRefresh, you should get the full range of resolutions
[05:26] <daniels> x can work it out on amd64, but ddcprobe can't
[05:26] <membreya> sweet :)
[05:26] <tritium> see, I was quite incorrect
[05:26] <daniels> mebaran151: the resolution rates typically don't look sane, but they will work on every monitor ever (looking beautiful is a secondary consideration to always being able to display something)
[05:27] <mebaran151> daniels, heh
[05:27] <mebaran151> I meant
[05:27] <mebaran151> my monitor
[05:27] <mebaran151> has not sane rates
[05:27] <mebaran151> way low
[05:27] <mebaran151> I love it
[05:27] <mebaran151> it is an early LCD panel
[05:27] <mebaran151> from like 97 it would be now
[05:27] <membreya> crt forever!
[05:28] <membreya> my monitor is 2 ft deep by 4 ft wide... I don't care about saving space :P
[05:28] <membreya> my desk even
[05:28] <membreya> dher Adam
[05:28] <membreya> damn just waking up
[05:28] <tritium> thanks for the info daniels
[05:29] <pussfeller> what ya got a tv
[05:29] <sles> why does mount src.img mnt/src -o loop not work in ubuntu?????
[05:30] <sles> there is no loop device
[05:30] <sles> I have never bumped in to a linux that did not???
[05:30] <daniels> sles: works fine for me
[05:30] <sles> hmmm...
[05:30] <dud> 'modprobe loop' sles
[05:31] <daniels> mebaran151: oh, heh.  the native resolution of most LCDs is 60Hz, but don't read anything into that :)
[05:31] <jason^> so if I upgrade my kernel do I need to modify my menu.lst?
[05:31] <jason^> I'm moving to hoary
[05:31] <daniels> tritium: no worries
[05:32] <tritium> :)
[05:32] <membreya> gah
[05:32] <sles> ok cool thanks!
[05:32] <membreya> it's a meta resolution!
[05:32] <daniels> membreya: meta resolution?
[05:32] <tritium> jason^, it should be done for you by the package's postinst scripts
[05:33] <tritium> jason^, i.e., it runs update-grub
[05:33] <membreya> lol meaning that the screen is at 1152x864...but the display is still 1024x768..meaning that I have to scroll my mouse to see the entire screen
[05:33] <membreya> fixed it :)
[05:33] <membreya> lol
[05:33] <membreya> just changed my refresh rate
[05:33] <membreya> and now everything is at 1152x864
[05:34] <membreya> it's not quite the 1280x1024 that I wanted...but it's bigger so my screen is not as cluttered
[05:34] <membreya> thanks daniels :)
[05:34] <membreya> always good to see aussie talent out there :D
[05:35] <tritium> I hope it's safe to dive into python...I think I'll give it a try.
[05:35] <NodeUser> i'm back
[05:35] <geppy> What can I use to unzip .bin files?
[05:35] <NodeUser> i've tried everything i can imagine
[05:35] <NodeUser> my network is configured
[05:35] <speel> you dont unzip binary files well depends whats is it?
[05:35] <NodeUser> but my comp won't connect to it
[05:35] <NodeUser> can anyone help me?
[05:36] <geppy> speel:  it's the firmware for my linksys router
[05:36] <geppy> speel:  it doens't work as-is, and the instructions say to open it in winzip
[05:36] <membreya> tritium: tvtime ;)
[05:36] <speel> ahh ok good i have the same router go to <IP_ADDRESS> and log in
[05:36] <tritium> membreya, I'm building a PVR.
[05:36] <geppy> speel: done
[05:37] <membreya> PVR? :|
[05:37] <speel> ok now click on administration
[05:37] <tritium> membreya, yeah, like TiVo
[05:37] <tritium> but better...
[05:37] <geppy> speel:  Mine doesn't have that.  I don't think we have the same router
[05:37] <membreya> ooooooooooooh :)
[05:37] <NodeUser> my network has been configured: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:37] <geppy> speel: mine is the BEFSR41
[05:38] <speel> lol same here
[05:38] <geppy> speel:  You sure?
[05:38] <speel> positive
[05:38] <NodeUser> it looks configured properly when i ifconfig -a
[05:38] <geppy> speel:  well, I'll just assume that you meant "advanced", rather than "administration"
[05:38] <geppy> speel: what now?
[05:38] <tritium> membreya, thanks to mdz's excellent mythtv packages ;)
[05:38] <NodeUser> however, i can't even ping my router
[05:39] <speel> do you see anything that says firmware upgrade
[05:39] <geppy> speel:  oh, yeah.  under help
[05:39] <membreya> tritium: ...damn nerds and their toys
[05:39] <geppy> speel:  hmph, requires IE 5.0.  I'm sure as hell not installing that on my box,  I'll just go play on a local winboxen
[05:39] <speel> well once you get there just click browse find the iso then click upgrade
[05:39] <geppy> speel:  thanks!
[05:39] <tritium> membreya, heh
[05:39] <speel> any time
[05:40] <NodeUser> debian
[05:41] <NodeUser> ubuntu is the worst distro i've used... at least the otherones work when installed
[05:41] <tritium> NodeUser, it's based on debian.  So you think debian is that bad?
[05:41] <NodeUser> debian sid worked fine for me
[05:42] <NodeUser> i can't even connect to the internet
[05:42] <tritium> NodeUser, ubuntu works fine too
[05:43] <NodeUser> can anyone help me with my network
[05:43] <NodeUser> eth0 is configured
[05:43] <tritium> NodeUser, what chipset?
[05:44] <tritium> dan_, did you kill and restart polypaudio after logging into gnome?
[05:44] <NodeUser> it uses tulip or natsemi
[05:44] <NodeUser> either work
[05:44] <tritium> NodeUser, which module is being loaded?
[05:44] <NodeUser> tulip
[05:45] <tritium> lsmod confirms this?
[05:45] <NodeUser> yes
[05:46] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: can you ping local pcs?
[05:46] <NodeUser> no
[05:46] <bur[n] er> 192.168.x.x
[05:46] <dan_> ah... forgot that clue, tritium ...
[05:46] <NodeUser> i can't ping anything but localhost
[05:46] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: set the route?
[05:46] <tritium> NodeUser, what's the IP?  How is it assigned?
[05:46] <bur[n] er> or using dhcp?
[05:46] <NodeUser> ip: <IP_ADDRESS> assigned in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <NodeUser> as static
[05:47] <speel> hey quick question i have some ports i dont want open any way to close em?
[05:47] <bur[n] er> gateway set in /etc/network/interfaces?
[05:47] <NodeUser> yes
[05:47] <bur[n] er> speel: close the service that runs on it
[05:47] <NodeUser> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:47] <NodeUser> how do i set the route?
[05:47] <tritium> netmask set?
[05:47] <bur[n] er> u don't need to if you set gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:48] <bur[n] er> ethernet plugged in? ;)
[05:48] <speel> yea but i have 111 open and it says rpcbind uses it
[05:48] <dan_> restarted polypaudio... "Multimedia Systems Selector" hangs now, tritium
[05:48] <NodeUser> of course 8-)
[05:48] <bur[n] er> lights on router? ;)
[05:48] <NodeUser> yup
[05:48] <tritium> dan_, :(
[05:49] <tritium> dan_, give it time ?
[05:49] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: sudo ifdown eth0; sudo dhclient eth0
[05:49] <bur[n] er> (worth a shot)
[05:50] <dan_> I think my problem is below polypaudio. I can't get aplay foo.wav to work (after killing polypaudio)
[05:51] <dan_> ugh... gnome volume control won't start
[05:51] <NodeUser> didn't work... plus my network doesn't have dhcp configured
[05:51] <dan_> libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.capabilities on device with i
[05:51] <dan_> d /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/pci_1106_318
[05:51] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: sudo mii-diag and sudo mii-tool?
[05:53] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: and maybe you should take a look at you router logs
[05:53] <El_Presidente> sorry for that stupid question but how do i set the root password when i installed ubuntu?
[05:54] <dan_> gnome volume control came up, after about 3 minutes
[05:54] <tritium> El_Presidente, most people don't, and use sudo instead.
[05:54] <bur[n] er> NodeUser: i'm out of ideas ;)
[05:54] <tritium> NodeUser, have you inspected the log files in /var/log?
[05:54] <El_Presidente> but sudo will ask for a password too
[05:54] <El_Presidente> right?
[05:54] <tritium> El_Presidente, yes, yours.
[05:54] <dan_> (i.e not root's)
[05:54] <NodeUser> mii-dia and mii-tool say everything is ok
[05:55] <El_Presidente> i wasnt asked for one just for my users
[05:55] <membreya> you can get it so that it doesn't :)
[05:55] <NodeUser> "link ok"
[05:55] <tritium> El_Presidente, right.    He's just joking around.
[06:02] <membreya> da_bon_bon: profanities are for 12 year olds and simpletons
[06:02] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: ok then what you got in your routers logs when you try to ping rotuter from client?
[06:02] <membreya> which are you?
[06:02] <da_bon_bon> membreya: please understand that what i meant was that there are no more updates as frequesntly as there were before
[06:02] <da_bon_bon> membreya: so u think :P
[06:02] <membreya> hehe :P
[06:02] <marcin_ant> NodeUser: nothing or maybe firewall on router rejects imcp?
[06:03] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ..agreed...it used to be my synaptic updates I would need to scroll through...now there's only 2 or 3 a day....
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> so, my question - is the freenet6 package in repos the same as the freenetproject ?
[06:03] <membreya> not necessarily a bad sign
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> :)
[06:03] <El_Presidente> tritium, arent these keys generated automatically??
[06:03] <da_bon_bon> a good sign, i'd say, membreya
[06:03] <El_Presidente> because this is the first time i have to do that on my own
[06:03] <tritium> El_Presidente, they should be, yes
[06:05] <da_bon_bon> anyone uses kaffe and gnu classpath here completely, instead of the normal sun ones ?
[06:06] <El_Presidente> tritium, now it works strange i reinstalled it
[06:06] <tritium> El_Presidente, yeah, quite strange
[06:06] <El_Presidente> ty :)
[06:08] <tritium> :)
[06:08] <tritium> membreya, what was that second slap for?
[06:08] <tritium> one was enough, for sure
[06:08] <dan_> ugh! I can't figure out what's going on with my sound setup!
[06:09] <tritium> dan_, sorry...
[06:09] <El_Presidente> tritium, another thing how can i remove complete X11 and gnome?
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> dan_: polypaudio ?
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> El_Presidente: apt-get remove xserver-xorg gnome*
[06:09] <El_Presidente> ah tx
[06:09] <El_Presidente> ty
[06:09] <da_bon_bon> xserver-xfree86 if on warty
[06:09] <El_Presidente> yep i am
[06:10] <dan_> polypaudio might be part of the problem, da_bon_bon, but I can't get stuff like aplay to work. I think my problem is below polypaudio
[06:10] <qlo-xael> tritium, i am installing the newer kernel and headers now, do i need to uninstall the old myself or is that automated?
[06:10] <tritium> qlo-xael, automated
[06:10] <El_Presidente> well this is a server and no workstation so thank you ;)
[06:10] <dan_> I think the problems started when I booted a 2.6.10 kernel
[06:10] <dan_> maybe I'll revert...
[06:10] <Elsidox> Hello im running hoary and i cant seem to get mp3s to play. Lame is installed. Everything worked fine but after i rebooted mp3s wont play
[06:10] <qlo-xael> well thats quite nice
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> dan_: hoary ? have u install ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:11] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[06:11] <da_bon_bon> tritium: i dont think the old ones are /removed/ ..
[06:12] <tritium> da_bon_bon, it depends.  If it's the same version, it is.
[06:12] <dan_> yes, hoary... I think I installed ubuntu-desktop; rather: I think I upgraded it from warty
[06:12] <dan_> wish me luck... rebooting with 2.6.8 ...
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> tritium: right.
[06:12] <da_bon_bon> dan_: install 2.6.11
[06:13] <Elsidox> anyone at all? Help. Playing mp3s
[06:13] <da_bon_bon> i am currently install 2.6.11 - any warnings / suggestions ?
[06:13] <tritium> no linux-restricted-modules are available for 2.6.11
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> how would that affect ?
[06:14] <tritium> you won't be able to use nvidia or ati drivers with that kernel
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> no problems
[06:14] <da_bon_bon> no nvidia or ati here
[06:15] <tritium> you might be fine, then.  No madwifi?
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> how else does restricted modules help ?
[06:15] <tritium> I forget what else is in l-r-m
[06:15] <da_bon_bon> no wifi at all
[06:15] <qlo-xael> so tritium, where will the headers be located?
[06:15] <membreya> tritium: the second slap was for telling El_Presidente to read man pages ;)
[06:15] <El_Presidente> :))
[06:16] <tritium> qlo-xael, I don't recall, since I haven't installed in a while.  dpgk -L will show you
[06:16] <qlo-xael> alright, gonna restart make sure everything is right
[06:16] <qlo-xael> thanks much
[06:16] <tritium> membreya, I first told him what to try, but since it was a guess, cautioned him to read the manpage first.
[06:16] <membreya> tritium: ;) :P
[06:16] <tritium> El_Presidente knew I was trying to help
[06:16] <tritium> :)
[06:16] <El_Presidente> well i thank you tritium
[06:17] <El_Presidente> many would have said what membreya said
[06:17] <tritium> El_Presidente, it's no problem.  I hope you didn't think I was running you off, telling you to read up
[06:17] <Elsidox> Hello. Can anyone help me I cant seem to play mp3s. I use to but after I started my comp up today i cant play mp3s anymore. Sound does work thow.
[06:17] <membreya> tritium: don't stress it ..half the answers (if i know them) are web pages I give people :P lol ....but since I've only been using linux and ubuntu for 2 weeks I'm still learning at a rapid rate
[06:17] <tritium> Elsidox, did you dist-upgrade Hoary?
[06:17] <tritium> membreya, :)
[06:18] <Chipzz> is there an archive anywhere where I can get older hoary packages?
[06:18] <Elsidox> tritium, ive been useing hoary for a while
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: can u hear gnome system sounds ?
[06:18] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, yes
[06:18] <tritium> Elsidox, polypaudio replaced esound recently, and has given some trouble
[06:18] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: say, when u click on app. u hear the drum sound THAK ?
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, yes
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: which prog. u use to play the mp3s ?
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, which isnt a pleasent sound lol
[06:19] <da_bon_bon> :)
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, muine
[06:19] <Chipzz> I need linux-source-2.6.11 version 2.6.11-0.1, but only 2.6.11-0.2 is available in the archives
[06:19] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, ive tryed other players and they wont play the mp3s either
[06:20] <tritium> Poor CarlK's gf's computer loops the bongo sounds :(
[06:20] <Elsidox> lol why do they have such ugly colors icons and sounds
[06:20] <dan_> ok, reverting kernels restored sound.
[06:20] <tritium> dan_, wow
[06:20] <dan_> I guess an AMD Sempron is not a k7?
[06:20] <tritium> dan_, to which version?
[06:20] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, huh lol? Im newish to linux
[06:20] <dan_> Linux version <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[06:21] <Chipzz> no archives available? :s
[06:21] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: only mp3s or other files too have problems ?
[06:21] <Lathiat2> Hi Guys -- I'm running the latest hoary -- anyone know how i can debug why icons for my firewire disk dont come up most of the time in computer or drivemount (they do sometimes but)
[06:21] <jdub> Chipzz: http://morgue.ubuntu.com/
[06:21] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, i dont have any other audio files besides mp3s
[06:21] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, should i try playing an avi file?
[06:21] <El_Presidente> dan_, that really depends if you have one up to 3000+ its a k7
[06:21] <jdub> Chipzz: you want to downgrade from a security release?
[06:22] <dan_> model name      : AMD Sempron(tm)   2500+
[06:22] <Chipzz> jdub: that kernel broke nvidia module compiling
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: yes.
[06:22] <El_Presidente> well why dont you look at /proc/cpu
[06:22] <Chipzz> it removed drm_agp_t
[06:22] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, cant play avi either
[06:22] <El_Presidente> to be 100% sure
[06:22] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: what error msg ?
[06:23] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, Totem could not play 'file:///home/ej/Documents/Video/The Broken/01: enter thebroken.avi'
[06:23] <Chipzz> jdub: the kernel I'm running now is 2.6.10 anyway
[06:23] <El_Presidente> dan_, sorry /proc/cpuinfo
[06:23] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, Could not open resource for writing.
[06:23] <Chipzz> jdub: but thx for the url :)
[06:23] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:23] <dan_> El_Presidente, /proc/cpuinfo shows AMD Sempron(tm)   2500+. Should that qualify as a k7?
[06:23] <El_Presidente> with that numbers dan_ you should be able to determine if its a k7 or k8
[06:23] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, hmm ive gone threw that maybe ill redo it and it will work
[06:23] <El_Presidente> well google for steppings
[06:24] <dan_> i.e. should it work with the -k7 kernels?
[06:24] <El_Presidente> but im nealry 100% sure that 2500+ is a k7
[06:24] <HiddenWolf> dan_ that should work on k7
[06:24] <tritium> Elsidox, what are you trying to play mp3s with?  Do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[06:24] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/022862.html
[06:25] <Elsidox> tritium, yes its installed
[06:25] <dan_> hmm... so maybe -386 vs -k7 is irrelevant. I just know <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 works and 2.6.11-1-k7 doesn't: no sound, random crashes.
[06:25] <da_bon_bon> what is the name of the white babe on the ubuntu three-human*beings-linked-together logo ?
[06:25] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, brb ill try that
[06:26] <jdub> da_bon_bon: ailene
[06:26] <El_Presidente> dan_, why dont you use 2.6.10?
[06:26] <membreya> gnomemeeting is the only way to accept webcam correct?
[06:27] <El_Presidente> and compile it self
[06:27] <tritium> membreya, mythtv can do videoconferencing, apparently.
[06:27] <membreya> does anyone here use gnomemeeting
[06:27] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, nope still doesnt work
[06:27] <helio7> jdub you know the people that posed for that shot?
[06:27] <jdub> i haven't met them
[06:28] <dan_> well, my troubles started when I upgraded from 2.6.8 to 2.6.10, El_Presidente
[06:28] <El_Presidente> :)
[06:28] <dan_> mythtv does videoconferencing? interesting
[06:28] <helio7> just curious how did you know her name?
[06:28] <sles> hey are system sounds not supposed to play when you listent to xmms???
[06:28] <tritium> dan_, mythphone
[06:28] <zenrox> sles,  yep
[06:29] <zenrox> sles, om ya thay can play whele you listen to music
[06:29] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon,  any ideas?
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> jdub: how do ya know ?
[06:29] <da_bon_bon> Elsidox: worked ?
[06:30] <sles> zerox: i can help you with your speech...
[06:30] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, nope. heh
[06:30] <tritium> does da_bon_bon have a crush?
[06:30] <da_bon_bon> tritium: nah, she looks good...
[06:31] <tritium> heh
[06:31] <zenrox> sles,  how so i have bine like this for years
[06:32] <Elsidox> da_bon_bon, well thx for trying. peace
[06:33] <sles> zenrox: ok fine... fanx for thrying...
[06:33] <sles> zenrox: hey I have xmms using esd and gaim doeas not play the sounds
[06:33] <zenrox> sles, do you have esd enabled in gaim
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> sles: in gaim prefs. sound dont set auto - set ESD
[06:34] <sles> ok
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> OOo2.0-devel hangs while creating pdf files ?
[06:34] <tritium> good night all
[06:34] <zenrox> night tritium
[06:34] <da_bon_bon> tritium: night
[06:34] <tritium> :)
[06:34] <membreya> does anyone here have gnomemeeting.. I want to test if it's working ok on my computer
[06:35] <da_bon_bon> i do
[06:35] <membreya> da_bon_bon: see if you can callto://membreya@optusnet.com.au@<IP_ADDRESS>:1720
[06:36] <sles> membreya: why do you not use skype? it auto cinfigures and works its way through firewalls...
[06:36] <sles> all on its own
[06:36] <cg0def> does anyone know how to install the ati binary drivers?
[06:36] <sles> and it is encrypted
[06:37] <sles> I use it all the time for private calls at the office
[06:37] <membreya> cos I don't want to have to get my ex to install anything she doesn't need to
[06:37] <membreya> I only have gaim and gnomemeeting
[06:37] <sles> skype is free at skype.com
[06:37] <da_bon_bon> membreya: doesnt work
[06:37] <|QuaD-> skype = closed source
[06:37] <sles> for linux, windoes and mac
[06:38] <membreya> gah
[06:38] <membreya> I setup port forwarding on the router
[06:38] <membreya> oh well :(
[06:38] <sles> |QuaD- so what I just want to use it... im not a programmer
[06:39] <|QuaD-> sles: heh, i don't like propietary things.... i have one nonfree piece of software on my computer
[06:39] <El_Presidente> i want to install ncurses-devel but apt-get says it isnt there (i want to make my kernel)
[06:39] <qlo-xael> agh!!! why does ubuntu hate me?
[06:39] <FAST> Sarah Polley	 .... 	SelmaBeowulf & Grendel (2005)
[06:40] <FAST> whoops
[06:40] <helio7> which is the one closed source app you have |QuaD-?
[06:40] <membreya> qlo-xael: it can tell you're scared
[06:40] <qlo-xael> haha
[06:40] <|QuaD-> helio7: nvidia drivers
[06:40] <qlo-xael> membreya, i came from slackware
[06:40] <qlo-xael> i had more devices work out of the box in slackware than ubuntu
[06:40] <helio7> ahh nice... hmm I wonder what else I may have installed that's proprietary...
[06:41] <qlo-xael> i just installed the <IP_ADDRESS>-4 kernel image and headers and it doesnt work
[06:41] <GammaRay> El_Presidente: try libncurses5-dev
[06:41] <qlo-xael> ubuntu's own packages!
[06:41] <El_Presidente> GammaRay, yes i found that too ty :)
[06:41] <qlo-xael> i had more luck making kernels from scratch in slack
[06:41] <da_bon_bon> bye all
[06:41] <qlo-xael> what is going on here?
[06:41] <|QuaD-> helio7: heh, no point in propietary crap
[06:41] <GammaRay> El_Presidente: I found it w/ apt-cache search ncurses-dev
[06:41] <El_Presidente> GammaRay, ah i see
[06:42] <helio7> I think I downloaded realplayer to get bbc radio streams... but I agree with you completely; the opensource/gnu phiolosophy was most of what drew me to linux in the first place
[06:42] <sles> helio7: just use what works for you...
[06:43] <|QuaD-> sles: when there are decent free alternatives, why use a non-free version?
[06:43] <sles> helio7: OSS is good in the long run but when the apps dont measure up...
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: skype is free
[06:44] <|QuaD-> sles: they mostly do though
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: you are right
[06:44] <GammaRay> well now your gonna have to say how gnome-meeting does not measure up...
[06:44] <|QuaD-> sles: skype is free as in beer, not free as in....
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: they mostly do
[06:44] <|QuaD-> what comes after free as in beer... i forget
[06:44] <sles> |QuaD-: not allways
[06:44] <helio7> free as in freedom |QuaD-
[06:44] <|QuaD-> sles: gnomemeeting is as good as skype
[06:44] <GammaRay> free as in Freedom
[06:45] <|QuaD-> helio7: thats right :)
[06:45] <helio7> (=
[06:45] <kaha> after free beer comes noxious beerfarts
[06:45] <helio7> rofl kaha
[06:45] <kaha> :)
[06:45] <kaha> 's true...
[06:46] <|QuaD-> sles: by supporting non-free software, you just encourage it
[06:46] <lappy> hi.  i wanna give ubuntu a shot.  what is the version of kde libraries in latest ubuntu?
[06:46] <|QuaD-> kde3.3
[06:46] <|QuaD-> going to be 3.4 soon
[06:46] <GammaRay> lappy: offically? none.
[06:46] <helio7> lappy in the latest ubuntu or the latest "stable" ubuntu?
[06:47] <zenrox> warty = stable
[06:47] <|QuaD-> its close enough
[06:47] <GammaRay> lappy: in the repositories.. whatever they say
[06:47] <lappy> stable
[06:47] <zenrox> hoary =latest
[06:47] <kaha> works for me
[06:47] <|QuaD-> lappy: are you a debian user?
[06:47] <lappy> whatabout kernel version?
[06:47] <lappy> mandrake. i just installed debian. but its too outdated
[06:48] <lappy> i use mandrake 10.1.
[06:48] <|QuaD-> lappy: too outdated?
[06:48] <|QuaD-> eh
[06:48] <|QuaD-> ?
[06:48] <kaha> that's why everybody's using Sarge  :P
[06:48] <lappy> debian has kde 2.2
[06:48] <zenrox> lappy go look at www.distrowatch.org (is that right)
[06:48] <|QuaD-> lappy: which version of debian did you try?
[06:48] <lappy> thats 3.0 rc4
[06:48] <lappy> stable
[06:48] <|QuaD-> lappy: thats why
[06:48] <|QuaD-> stable is 3 years old
[06:48] <lappy> oh
[06:48] <|QuaD-> unstable has 3.3
[06:48] <lappy> so, whats recommended? testing?
[06:49] <lappy> |QuaD-, u use debian unstable version?
[06:50] <membreya> sles: does skype allow webcams?!
[06:50] <|QuaD-> lappy: i used it until i moved to ubuntu
[06:50] <sles> memebreya: i do not know...
[06:50] <|QuaD-> membreya: last i checked no
[06:50] <membreya> gah
[06:50] <kaha> I used unstable, then a couple years of gentoo, now I really love ubuntu.  :)
[06:50] <lappy> ok. then.  here is another question.  how old is the "stable" ubuntu as compared to the latest ubuntu
[06:50] <membreya> useless tip!
[06:51] <|QuaD-> lappy: ubuntu is current as of october
[06:51] <GammaRay> lappy: 6 months at the most
[06:51] <zenrox> membreya,  but skype can use voip
[06:51] <GammaRay> lappy: it follows gnome's release dates
[06:52] <membreya> zenrox: but my original question...to which sles answered with skype..is what program is best for webcam
[06:52] <lappy> GammaRay, so default wm in ubuntu is gnome then? and kde can be installed separately if necessary
[06:52] <GammaRay> lappy: it can
[06:53] <|QuaD-> lappy: i am running kde
[06:53] <GammaRay> lappy: but kde is not on the cd
[06:53] <kaha> he said Jehovah  :/
[06:53] <calamari> quad: when you exit kde apps do you get a sigsegv?
[06:53] <lappy> GammaRay, but gnome is. correct?
[06:53] <zenrox> membreya, to bad i dont have a webcam just casue id have an awser for you
[06:53] <GammaRay> lappy: it can be gotten from the "universe" repository
[06:53] <|QuaD-> calamari: nope
[06:53] <GammaRay> lappy: yea
[06:53] <lappy> i can live with that.
[06:53] <calamari> quad: hmm weird.. maybe because I just have the libs and not the full kde
[06:53] <|QuaD-> lappy: are you on a broadband connection?
[06:54] <lappy> yea
[06:54] <|QuaD-> calamari: i used to have just the libs
[06:54] <|QuaD-> lappy: apt-get is amazing, doesn't matter whats on the cd
[06:54] <lappy> also, is there a short description of what ubuntu comes bundled with? i am looking on the ubuntu website but no luck yet
[06:55] <|QuaD-> lappy: just about everything you need is available throuhg apt
[06:55] <GammaRay> (let it be said that urpmi is just as nice as apt)
[06:56] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: i used mandrake a bunch of years back... i wasn't as impressed
[06:56] <lappy> ok final question.  what do i download? warty or 4.10
[06:56] <|QuaD-> lappy: same thing
[06:56] <lappy> they both have the same dates
[06:56] <GammaRay> they are one and the same
[06:56] <lappy> oh ok.
[06:57] <lappy> and what was the kernel version in 4.10?
[06:57] <GammaRay> 4.10 is 2004, October
[06:57] <|QuaD-> 2.6.x
[06:57] <lappy> ok. cul.
[06:57] <GammaRay> .8.1 I think
[06:57] <lappy> thanks. guys.
[06:57] <zenrox> GammaRay,  yep <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:57] <kaha> lappy: only thing you might not like in Warty is the 9x ver firefox
[06:58] <GammaRay> isn't there a security hole in that version?
[06:58] <zenrox> nope
[06:58] <|QuaD-> kaha: he shouldn't expect to get bleeding edge in stable
[06:58] <kaha> true
[06:58] <calamari> if there were a security hole they'd offer an update package, right?
[06:58] <lappy> what is the difference between live-install and just install iso versions? is live-install the one that downloads packages off the net
[06:58] <kaha> and 9x works fine.
[06:59] <|QuaD-> lappy: its either live cd or install
[06:59] <|QuaD-> no live-install
[06:59] <|QuaD-> you want install
[06:59] <|QuaD-> i wonder if mepis could be considered "live-install"
[06:59] <lappy> what is the difference?
[06:59] <GammaRay> a live cd runs directly off the cd in mem
[06:59] <lappy> oh ic.
[07:01] <GammaRay> it's considered sexy to have one
[07:01] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: heh
[07:02] <bur[n] er> what's it considered if you hack and tweak your own livecd? ;)
[07:02] <zenrox> bur[n] er, your hacked ver of a live cd
[07:03] <GammaRay> pornographic
[07:03] <zenrox> lol
[07:03] <bur[n] er> ;)
[07:03] <bur[n] er> it's hidden though... ~/.pr0n ;)
[07:03] <|QuaD-> any c/c++ guru's here?
[07:04] <zenrox> lol @ bur[n] er
[07:04] <Adrenal> if, after using the backports, i upgrade to hoary, will my system...die?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> is totem supposed to skip on wavs?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> http://members.fortunecity.com/wavjunky/new-wavs.html
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> try playing those
[07:04] <GammaRay> violently
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> they play
[07:04] <membreya> anyone here using a logitech quickcam express?
[07:04] <bluefoxicy> and at the end they play some of the data again
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> also is polypaudio esd supposed to be totally fucked?
[07:05] <cybane> this input --> sudo CFLAGS="-03" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-03 -felide-constructors \ -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static
[07:05] <cybane> gives this error --> sudo: CFLAGS=-03: command not found
[07:05] <cybane> what am I doing wrong?
[07:06] <Adrenal> anyone?
[07:06] <|QuaD-> what are you trying to do?
[07:06] <bluefoxicy> cybane:  put the CFLAGS and such before sudo?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> Adrenal: trial and error works ;)
[07:06] <|QuaD-> cybane: that looks like a makefile
[07:06] <|QuaD-> not a command
[07:07] <Adrenal> ah...damn
[07:07] <Adrenal> can i get an approximation of odds?
[07:07] <|QuaD-> Adrenal: 50:50
[07:08] <bur[n] er> cybane: works for me... you're using bash right?
[07:08] <cybane> yeah
[07:08] <daniels> er, may I recommend not compiling mysql?
[07:08] <daniels> we have packages of it
[07:08] <Adrenal> quad: damn
[07:08] <bur[n] er> cybane: try 'sudo su' then run that command
[07:08] <cybane> I put the sudo after the compiler flags but before the ./configure and now I have a new host of errors
[07:08] <bur[n] er> sudo su; CFLAGS="-03" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-03
[07:08] <bur[n] er>                   -felide-constructors \ -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti" ./configure
[07:08] <bur[n] er>                   --prefix=/usr/local/mysql \ --enable-assembler
[07:08] <lappy> btw, do mandrake users find that konqueror loads up slow?
[07:09] <Adrenal> meh, cheerio
[07:09] <bur[n] er> well that paste was shit :\ sorry
[07:09] <bur[n] er> mandrake users?
[07:09] <lappy> ex-mandrake users
[07:09] <daniels> bur[n] er: it won't work; the semicolon will make it wait until su completes
[07:10] <cybane> new host of errors --> configure: WARNING: you should use --build, --host, --target
[07:10] <cybane> configure: WARNING: invalid host type:  --enable-assembler
[07:10] <cybane> checking build system type... configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub  --enable-assembler failed
[07:12] <bur[n] er> daniels: good call... it's been a long night :\
[07:14] <|QuaD-> "The Vector Linux crew is pleased to announce the release of VectorLinux Soho v5.0 - a feature-rich full-sized Linux Distribution." i wonder what a non full sized linux distribution is
[07:15] <|QuaD-> i wonder if ubuntu is "full sized" :)
[07:15] <helio7> maybe dsl?
[07:15] <mystify99> where do i get plug-ins for the media player and music player???
[07:15] <|QuaD-> hehe, but dsl is still a full distribution
[07:15] <GammaRay> |QuaD-: some fit on pretty small sized cds
[07:16] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: yeah i know, but how is that not a full sized distribution?
[07:16] <mystify99> or where can i get a media player that works like windows media player?
[07:16] <GammaRay> mystify99: I would not wish that upon anyone :-P
[07:16] <pastyhermit> how do I get composite and shadowing in gnome with the new Xorg?
[07:17] <johnnybezak> pastyhermit: i saw a link to a guy who'd made a gui prog for that today on footnote
[07:17] <johnnybezak> whats the name of the screen capture tool?
[07:17] <mystify99> can anyone help me with the media player that came with ubuntu?
[07:18] <GammaRay> mystify99: what do you want to know?
[07:18] <mbp_> wow
[07:18] <mbp_> go ubuntu
[07:18] <johnnybezak> pastyhermit: http://www.qdh.org.uk/blog/index.php?/archives/33-X.org-Composite-extention.html#extended
[07:18] <mystify99> i try to play simple mp3 format songs on it, and it says i need plug-ins
[07:18] <mystify99> where am i supposed to get these plug-ins?
[07:18] <monoxide> mystify99, try the website for said media player (whatever you are using)
[07:18] <monoxide> some linux distros fit on a usb disk
[07:18] <pastyhermit> johnnybezak, thanx dude
[07:18] <monoxide> btw, does anyone know a good distro that fits on a usb disk?
[07:19] <|QuaD-> pastyhermit: ifolder?
[07:19] <GammaRay> mystify99: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-16.3469703387
[07:20] <johnnybezak> pastyhermit: it's a pleasure
[07:20] <GammaRay> mystify99: in other words add the universe respository and issue apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[07:20] <membreya> hmmm I just compiled a quickcam driver...trying to do an insmod of the quickcam.o file and it says invalid module
[07:20] <membreya> any suggestions?
[07:20] <pastyhermit> |QuaD-, ifolder.com
[07:21] <mystify99> thanks a bunch!!!
[07:21] <helio7> monoxide: what's a usb 'disc'?
[07:21] <|QuaD-> is ifolder basically nfs?
[07:22] <GammaRay> |QuaD-: I think it's more akin to an atomatic rsync backup
[07:22] <membreya> looking at the dmesg... i have the following error message No module found in object
[07:22] <|QuaD-> hmmm
[07:22] <|QuaD-> do you need a server for ifolder?
[07:23] <GammaRay> right now you do
[07:23] <|QuaD-> whats with novell and kickass products
[07:23] <|QuaD-> GammaRay: what do you mean "right now"
[07:23] <monoxide> helio7, a usb flash drive, whatever you wanna call it. one of those small USB storage devices
[07:23] <GammaRay> they are working on p2p support
[07:23] <membreya> do module files need to be chmod'd at all ?
[07:24] <helio7> oh monoxide well I saw one on sale today for $50 and it was 1GB so I'd recommend the latest Ubuntu Hoary disc for that =P
[07:24] <monoxide> lol
[07:24] <pastyhermit> whoa dude
[07:24] <pastyhermit> dont I need Xorg?
[07:24] <pastyhermit> I have whatever ubuntu comes with
[07:24] <pastyhermit> I think its XFree
[07:24] <helio7> hehe what size is yours monoxide 128?
[07:24] <monoxide> i only have a 128MB disk
[07:24] <monoxide> but is that $US50?
[07:25] <helio7> yeah USD 50
[07:25] <pastyhermit> bbiab
[07:25] <helio7> monoxide have you looked at Damn Small Linux I think it's like 50 or 60mb
[07:26] <monoxide> that probably about AU150... :P
[07:26] <monoxide> by the time it gets over here
[07:27] <monoxide> no, i havnt really looked much. but im thinking of getting knoppix as a bootup solution
[07:28] <monoxide> or maybe the ubuntu live cd
[07:28] <chesty> I'm not sure if this is known or not, seems likely. if I open 2 terminals in a workspace, maximise one, minimise the other, you can't access the minimised one via the panel (hoary)
[07:29] <helio7> oh so I got about 5 more ubuntu machines set up for my school (elementary school) today... I'm trying to decide whether to keep gnome or goto fluxbox or something as many of them are like older 333mhz machines... I'm not sure how to best optimize them for the best performance... they still run but oftentimes at 100% processsor capacity and with several seconds of delay in opening anything
[07:30] <helio7> if I were to re-word that into a question I would say, "anyone have good ideas at how to tweak ubuntu for speed/performance on older systems in an educational setting that I may not have thought about?"
[07:31] <monoxide> remove X?
[07:31] <monoxide> :P
[07:31] <helio7> haha monoxide
[07:32] <monoxide> let them learn how to use a console like the rest of us :P
[07:32] <umarmung> chesty, i don't have that problem, everything works as expected
[07:32] <monoxide> that would really help your cpu usage...
[07:32] <monoxide> my sound just crashed again...
[07:33] <monoxide> anyone know where the config file for the sound server and/or ESD are?
[07:33] <monoxide> chesty, same. i have 3-4 consoles open before with no problems
[07:33] <monoxide> or try alt-tab to change between windows
[07:35] <membreya> do module files need to be chmod'd at all ?
[07:36] <mpool> membreya: should not need it
[07:36] <chesty> that's weird then, alt-tab works, but so should unminimising via the task list.
[07:36] <mpool> if you installed them by some reasonable method
[07:36] <chesty> It works for me when I don't have a maximised window, just not when it's maximised. oh, it's no big deal
[07:37] <membreya> hmmm I compiled the logitech quickcam module and I tried to insmod the module and it says Invalid module format....dmesg says No module found in object
[07:37] <kroon> wow, xcompmgr+the others seems quite stable in hoary
[07:38] <delltony> alright is it just me or does others have this issue? i looked on bugzilla and didn't see the specifics but here goes. when you go to websites in firefox 1.0 and it has video and plays with mplayer at random all instances of firefox will close without warning
[07:39] <gilanx> hiiii
[07:40] <pastyhermit> how do I get my kernel-source
[07:41] <pastyhermit> Linux dellbox <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:42] <dud> apt-cache search kernel source | grep 2.6.8
[07:43] <pastyhermit> cool thanx
[07:43] <pastyhermit> synaptic couldng find it
[07:43] <helio7> how many of you are "registered linux users" and register the machines you install on?
[07:44] <pastyhermit> no me
[07:44] <pastyhermit> and I have done alot with linux :D
[07:44] <pastyhermit> just new to the whole debian thing a little bit
[07:44] <monoxide> where would the syslog log to?
[07:44] <helio7> not to /var/log/ ?
[07:45] <helio7> yeah there it is monoxide /var/log/syslog
[07:47] <monoxide> yeah, i just found it
[07:47] <monoxide> how likely is it that my sound card is incorrectly configured?
[07:49] <membreya> hmmm I compiled the logitech quickcam module and I tried to insmod the module and it says Invalid module format....dmesg says No module found in object .... anyone have any ideas?
[07:51] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas why when i use OSS, i have 0 problems, but when i try to use ESD, beep crashes every 1-2 songs?
[07:51] <rolando-san> whats module pcieip and schchp...
[07:54] <johnnybezak> helio7: not me
[07:54] <membreya> figured it out ....I needed to insmod the .ko file ....but then it had another error ...but that was fixed be reverting my gcc version to 3.3
[08:04] <membreya> how do you configure modules to load at boot?
[08:04] <Liz> hey..can anyone tell me exactly what movement key does under window preferences ??
[08:04] <Liz> ive tried it and it doesnt really seem to do anything that i cant do by using the mouse
[08:05] <monoxide> anyone have any ideas why when i use OSS, i have 0 problems, but when i try to use ESD, beep crashes every 1-2 songs?
[08:05] <monoxide> membreya, /etc/modules
[08:05] <helio7> what's the drawback to using OSS monoxide? is ESD supposed to be better?
[08:06] <monoxide> Liz, just a shortcut key? or maybe for those who dont have a mouse?
[08:06] <membreya> ok ....once you've done an insmod do you need to do anything else???
[08:06] <umarmung> Liz, well you can move a window around without clicking the titlebar...
[08:06] <monoxide> helio7, when i use OSS, nothing else can use the sound. gaim wont play sounds when i recieve messages
[08:06] <helio7> oh
[08:07] <monoxide> makes it look like im ignoring my friends :P
[08:07] <monoxide> and also some programs are crashing at startup and i think its cos they are trying to use ESD
[08:07] <helio7> haha you wouldn't want that... you're listening to xmms?
[08:09] <monoxide> i tryied using xmms, that was one of the programs that was dying on startup
[08:09] <monoxide> im trying beep-audio-player (a spinoff of xmms) but that has problems as well
[08:10] <helio7> monoxide you're in hoary or warty?
[08:11] <farruinn> monoxide: in my experience beep and xmms don't work well together.
[08:11] <cybane> Anyone here have experience with the latest binary install of MySQL?
[08:12] <monoxide> i only have beep installed
[08:12] <monoxide> helio7, hoary
[08:12] <monoxide> it all worked perfectly in warty
[08:14] <Liz> i did tell monoxide to go back and install the warty files...
[08:16] <monoxide> i would really rather not reinstall my system...
[08:17] <cowbud> hrmm anyone having issues with Hoary and BadMatch X errors with any browser?
[08:18] <monoxide> not with firefox
[08:18] <cowbud> well I have it with both firefox and galeon..
[08:19] <cowbud> Disable the Composite extension in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:19] <cowbud> ahh
[08:19] <cowbud> and that is what I just recently changed
[08:19] <cowbud> excellent!
[08:19] <cowbud> google you are my hero
[08:25] <will_> my whole system locks up when Display Power Management is enabled, and the screen goes to sleep anyone have any ideas
[08:26] <membreya> after you have done an insmod on a module how do you make sure it's all installed ?
[08:26] <snowblink> membreya: lsmod
[08:26] <farruinn> lsmod | grep [module]
[08:27] <membreya> ok it's loaded quickcam and videodev
[08:27] <membreya> do I just add quickcam to my modules file ?
[08:27] <kroon> ah, I lost the nice mouse cursors when upgrading to hoary 8(
[08:28] <membreya> kroon: do you have an X or anything ?
[08:28] <membreya> or you just lost custom ones? :P
[08:28] <kroon> membreya, I lost the nice default cursors that were in Warty
[08:28] <farruinn> membreya: that's what I would do, echo quickcam >> /etc/modules
[08:29] <membreya> and is there anyway to tell it what dev device to use ? ie I want it to use /dev/video1
[08:30] <farruinn> no idea
[08:30] <membreya> reboot time :)
[08:31] <will_> how do i cernck whether i am using apm or acpi?
[08:31] <will_> check even
[08:31] <helio7> when you boot up if you read the screen it usually says what it's loading, I don't know tht command line shortcut though
[08:31] <monoxide> check to see if there is an "apm" entry in /etc/modules
[08:32] <helio7> voila monoxide's on it
[08:36] <membreya> hmmm weird
[08:36] <delltony> is there a debian package for php-gtk by chance?
[08:37] <membreya> did an insmod...which loaded the module...added it to my modules list and it didnt load..did a modprobe on quickcam and it said module not found..yet I go to the compile directory, insprobe it again and it loads >:\
[08:37] <farruinn> delltony: is this what you're looking for? sqlrelay-config-gtk - SQL Relay configuration GTK+ client
[08:38] <farruinn> delltony: I did an apt-cache search php gtk and that seemed to be the closest thing
[08:39] <delltony> nah thats not it
[08:39] <|QuaD-> how do i make files of just random bites? like i wanna make a 10mb file?
[08:39] <delltony> thanksk tough i believe i just needed the php4-dev package
[08:40] <johnnybezak> do most of you guys use gnome as your WM?
[08:40] <farruinn> Gnome isn't a window manager, it is a desktop environment which uses metacity
[08:40] <farruinn> atm I'm using gnome with metacity
[08:41] <johnnybezak> haha thnx thats what i meant do most of you guys use metacity?
[08:41] <farruinn> johnnybezak: ;)
[08:41] <johnnybezak> farruin: :P
[08:43] <johnnybezak> are there any wysiwyg html editors in the ubuntu sources, i used nvu on the mac, and there is source but its not in the sources
[08:43] <johnnybezak> ?
[08:43] <Seq> |QuaD-: i think: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/some/file bs=2k count=5120
[08:43] <helio7> if I'm in hoary can I safely sudo apt-get install gtk ? I need gtk+ 2.0...
[08:43] <farruinn> johnnybezak: there are instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org for installing nvu, but I don't know if they're applicable to ppc or if you've already seen that.
[08:44] <helio7> johnnybezak openoffice has a wysiwyg html editor i think
[08:46] <helio7> night all!
[08:46] <elf> hi room i really need someones help
[08:46] <elf> some how the taskbar crashed and i dont know how to get it back...
[08:47] <farruinn> you can't log out then, right?
[08:48] <cocol> is DMA enabled in ubuntu?
[08:48] <elf> well i just restarted the comp cos i thougt that would work but it didnt
[08:48] <delltony> i don't think it is by default mine wasn't
[08:48] <elf> now i have no taskbar
[08:48] <delltony> hdparm -d /dev/hda
[08:48] <delltony> and check
[08:48] <delltony> if its no then do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[08:48] <delltony> or whatever drive you want
[08:49] <elf> help?
[08:49] <cocol> is it for me the response?
[08:49] <delltony> cocol, yes
[08:50] <delltony> that checks your dma settings
[08:50] <cocol> i want to check if DMA is enabled for hdc
[08:50] <delltony> cocol,  hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[08:50] <kakalto> hrm
[08:50] <cocol> ok (C)
[08:50] <kakalto> anyone know much about cvscedega?
[08:50] <will_> what is the kernel arguement to disable acpi and enable amp?
[08:51] <will_> apm sorry
[08:51] <delltony> should say something like this cocol
[08:51] <delltony> /dev/hdc:
[08:51] <delltony>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[08:52] <cocol> ok
[08:52] <cocol> thanx
[08:52] <delltony> to turn it on do sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[08:52] <delltony> that will change the value to 1 or on
[08:53] <cocol> its off
[08:54] <delltony> yeah by default it is off
[08:54] <snowblink> elf: gnome-panel
[08:54] <elf> ok thanks
[08:54] <elf> YAY!!!
[08:54] <elf> shot man
[08:55] <zenrox> lol
[08:55] <elf> now that thats out the way...can anyone tell me why ubuntu is really slow
[08:55] <zenrox> elf whats your cpu
[08:55] <elf> 900 celeron
[08:55] <zenrox> and ram
[08:56] <elf> not great but windows ran faster no offense
[08:56] <elf> 128 ram
[08:56] <zenrox> elf try installing prelink
[08:56] <elf> prelink?
[08:56] <zenrox> using apt-get
[08:57] <zenrox> ya it prelinks the libarys to programs so thay load a little faster
[08:57] <elf> ok installin it now
[08:57] <zenrox> it took mozilla-firefox from 30 sec to 15sec
[08:57] <elf> and do you find that the internet is slower to?
[08:57] <elf> ok
[08:57] <zenrox> nope
[08:58] <elf> well my internet is very slow although its a 512 line
[08:58] <zenrox> once its installed you want to do sudo prelink -amvR
[08:58] <elf> ok
[08:58] <zenrox> but rember that will kill your computer
[08:58] <zenrox> so doo it just before you go to bed
[08:58] <elf> ok well then ill do it just now
[08:58] <zenrox> and after every time you install a new program
[08:59] <elf> its 9:30 am
[08:59] <will_> what is the kernel arguement to disable acpi and enable apm?
[08:59] <zenrox> elf its nice
[08:59] <dud> noacpi isnt it?
[08:59] <elf> lol
[08:59] <elf> ok
[08:59] <elf> does it take long
[08:59] <zenrox> yes
[08:59] <elf> ok ill do it tonight then
[08:59] <Seq> will_: noacpi seems to do it, but some howto i saw suggested acpi=off and apm=on as well, just for good measure
[09:00] <zenrox> on my box celron 2ghz 512mbs ddr pc2100 ram it does take up to 1hr to compleate
[09:00] <will_> thats what i saw somewhere too
[09:00] <elf> whats DMA like that dude was talking about?
[09:00] <will_> thanks seq
[09:00] <elf> wow
[09:00] <Amaranth> DMA? Direct Memory Access
[09:00] <zenrox> yep
[09:00] <elf> speeds up the pc?
[09:00] <dud> hparm -d1 /dev/hda
[09:00] <Amaranth> speeds up HD access
[09:00] <zenrox> no its for cdroms
[09:00] <dud> hdparm even
[09:01] <zenrox> and hdds thangs on the ide chain
[09:01] <elf> ok
[09:01] <dud> its not just for cdrom
[09:01] <Amaranth> it's used with video cards too
[09:01] <zenrox> i dont need it for my vid card
[09:01] <zenrox> thank god
[09:01] <zenrox> lol
[09:01] <Amaranth> zenrox: I bet it's used for your video card.
[09:01] <elf> dma is on
[09:02] <zenrox> Amaranth,  but i dont have to enable it
[09:02] <Amaranth> no, it's always on :P
[09:02] <elf> ok
[09:02] <zenrox> lol
[09:02] <zenrox> elf also too what kernel are you running
[09:03] <topyli> elf: you're getting good hints but the truth is that 128M is a bit too little for gnome
[09:03] <zenrox> he is right
[09:04] <elf> i duno what kernal
[09:04] <elf> really?
[09:04] <topyli> elf: no harm improving the situation anyway though :)
[09:04] <elf> thanks
[09:04] <dud> yeah, go hunting trash containers for another 256MB ram :P
[09:04] <elf> i want to get a new pc soon but im thinking of goiung for that mini mac
[09:04] <zenrox> you might want to switch to a diverent wm
[09:05] <topyli> i have 256 and it's just bearable. going to upgrade to 512 i guess
[09:05] <zenrox> elf type uname in the terminal
[09:05] <dud> when adding a monitor, mouse and kb... mini macs arent so fantastically cheap
[09:05] <dud> i have 1gb ram on an athlon64 3000+
[09:05] <dud> its quite allright :P
[09:05] <zenrox> i have 512
[09:05] <elf> it says linux
[09:05] <zenrox> and its nice
[09:05] <dud> uname -r
[09:05] <zenrox> ya
[09:05] <dud> uname -a even
[09:05] <topyli> dud: i guess you can manage with that
[09:05] <zenrox> thats it
[09:05] <topyli> :)
[09:06] <elf> <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[09:06] <dud> topyli, it havent skipped a beat yet hehe
[09:06] <Neil3> ah ha
[09:06] <Neil3> old kernel
[09:06] <elf> ok
[09:06] <Neil3> and nasty 386 one
[09:06] <zenrox> elf go get the linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[09:06] <elf> lol
[09:06] <elf> is it big?
[09:06] <Neil3> elf which cpu do you have?
[09:06] <zenrox> 15-30 megs
[09:06] <dud> get the newest image not the 2.6.8 one
[09:06] <elf> celeron 900
[09:06] <Neil3> ah
[09:07] <elf> not to great but im saving up for better
[09:07] <Neil3> yeah just to sudo apt-get install linux-686
[09:07] <zenrox> yep
[09:07] <dud> celerons are so fucking incredibly crap....
[09:07] <dud> it cant be expressed with words
[09:07] <zenrox> not mine
[09:07] <Neil3> that will install the newest kernel for you
[09:07] <elf> lol
[09:07] <Neil3> and specially compiled for your class of cpu elf
[09:07] <Neil3> sudo apt-get install linux-686
[09:07] <Neil3> :)
[09:07] <dud> i had a 2.2Ghz celly before... and I mean... at was so fucking slow I nearly crapped myself
[09:07] <elf> u say its big?
[09:07] <Neil3> you should get a nice little speed increase out of that
[09:07] <zenrox> dud some of that is the mobo
[09:07] <elf> lol its an old pc
[09:08] <zenrox> elf 15-30 megs
[09:08] <elf> im getting a new one when i go to USA in april
[09:08] <dud> zenrox, its the architecture... cpu/mobo/memory bandwidth
[09:08] <elf> ok thats fine...i was just scared that id cap
[09:08] <zenrox> dud mine is in a p4 board
[09:08] <zenrox> elf onec that is installed reboot
[09:08] <topyli> hmm. the prelink man page describes some scary stuff i don't fully understand. is it safe?
[09:08] <zenrox> topyli,  yes
[09:08] <elf> onec?
[09:08] <zenrox> once
[09:09] <topyli> ok
[09:09] <Neil3> topyli, prelink can be undone yes
[09:09] <Neil3> if it causes problems
[09:09] <zenrox> but it shouldent
[09:09] <zenrox> tho
[09:09] <topyli> worth trying i guess
[09:09] <Neil3> doesn't here
[09:09] <Neil3> works fine
[09:09] <zenrox> me too
[09:09] <Neil3> your apps load quicker :)
[09:09] <zenrox> a lote quicker
[09:09] <zenrox> specily the big ones
[09:10] <elf> lol
[09:10] <zenrox> pan,firefox,xine ,gnome
[09:10] <zenrox> etc...
[09:10] <Neil3> openoffice
[09:10] <zenrox> yep
[09:10] <Neil3> especially openoffice
[09:10] <Neil3> that hog
[09:10] <zenrox> ya 256mgs it gets every time it is loaded
[09:10] <elf> should i install the linux-686 or the linux-686 smp
[09:11] <elf> ?
[09:11] <zenrox> smp = more than 1 cpu
[09:11] <elf> ok
[09:11] <elf> it wont install
[09:11] <zenrox> why not
[09:11] <zenrox> wots it telling you
[09:12] <elf> linux-686:
[09:12] <elf>  Depends: linux-restricted-modules-686 but it is not going to be installed
[09:12] <topyli> "openoffice", "quick". sometimes i dream of uttering those words in a single sentence
[09:12] <elf> yes why s openoffice slow?
[09:13] <zenrox> elf then do sudo apt-get install linux-686 linux-restricted-modules-686
[09:13] <zenrox> lol @ topyli
[09:13] <Neil3> zenrox, i believe linux-686 grabs those modules too
[09:13] <topyli> elf: i guess it's partly because it's multi-platform so the same code is forced to run on all systems
[09:13] <zenrox> Neil3,  its not getting them
[09:13] <lordan> elf, openoffice wants to work on a variety of systems
[09:13] <Neil3> hmm
[09:13] <Neil3> my bad
[09:13] <topyli> elf: like java
[09:13] <Neil3> also
[09:14] <zenrox> Neil3,  that will force it to get it
[09:14] <lordan> and so they implemented a lot of libs themselves
[09:14] <elf> ok
[09:14] <lordan> including their own toolkit
[09:14] <Neil3> once you install prelink run ooprelink
[09:14] <topyli> yeah, they should just go for gtk :)
[09:14] <Teflon_tony> hello Ubuntu
[09:14] <Neil3> that prelinks a lot of openoffice specific stuff
[09:15] <zenrox> Neil3,  ooprelink dont work
[09:15] <zenrox> its not in my sys
[09:15] <lordan> topyli, life would be too good then
[09:15] <zenrox> hello Teflon_tony
[09:15] <Neil3> sudo /usr/sbin/oooprelink -f
[09:15] <Neil3> that will do it
[09:16] <Amaranth> there is a version of OpenOffice.org that uses GTK, iirc
[09:16] <zenrox> its not in my path thats why
[09:16] <Amaranth> Ximian makes it
[09:16] <topyli> lordan: not everybody would be happy then either :)
[09:16] <Amaranth> It looks like a GNOME app, anyway
[09:16] <Amaranth> Instead of a shitty Windows ones.
[09:16] <lordan> that's true.. for instance kde ppl
[09:16] <Teflon_tony> I am totally new to "linux" is ubuntu a good "learner" Linux?
[09:17] <topyli> Amaranth: i don't think the ximian version is that different, it's probably mostly looks and other integration stuff
[09:17] <zenrox> Teflon_tony,  yes
[09:17] <elf> its not working? \
[09:17] <Teflon_tony> that sounds good
[09:17] <Neil3> zenrox, did that command work for you?
[09:17] <Neil3> with the -f switch?
[09:17] <Teflon_tony> I think I will start the download
[09:17] <zenrox> yes
[09:17] <lordan> the ximian version merely uses gtk as a "frontend" for uno if I'm not mistaken
[09:17] <Neil3> coolie
[09:17] <Neil3> you might notice openoffice loading a bit quicker
[09:18] <elf> the linux 686 wont download
[09:18] <topyli> Teflon_tony: it works too well out of the box. if you want to learn, get a more difficult distro ;)
[09:18] <zenrox> elf open snyaptic
[09:18] <zenrox> and get it that way
[09:18] <elf> ok
[09:18] <zenrox> search for linux-686
[09:18] <elf> thats how i am doing it
[09:19] <zenrox> lol
[09:19] <topyli> elf: linux-image-686
[09:19] <zenrox> elf just rember if one way dont work try another
[09:19] <elf> yay its working
[09:19] <Teflon_tony> <topyli which one then?
[09:19] <Amaranth> personally i think abiword is a lot better
[09:19] <elf> i only know how to use synaptic
[09:19] <lordan> Amaranth, couldn't agree more
[09:19] <zenrox> Amaranth,  not for every thang
[09:20] <elf> well i gotta go now
[09:20] <zenrox> lator elf
[09:20] <elf> thatsnk for ALL your help chaps!!!
[09:20] <elf> cheers
[09:20] <zenrox> n/p
[09:20] <lordan> And I like gnumeric more than oocalc
[09:20] <zenrox> any time
[09:20] <Amaranth> zenrox: If someone ported oo.o's Word code to abiword it would be almost perfect
[09:20] <elf> whats that sudo to enable prelink?\
[09:20] <zenrox> Amaranth,  yes
[09:20] <Amaranth> But I use abiword most of the time and oo.o when abiword doesn't work for whatever reason.
[09:20] <topyli> Teflon_tony: i'm kidding. ubuntu is perfect. although is true you could learn more on slackware or something. if you can get slack to work you know quite a bit already :)
[09:21] <zenrox> elf sudo prelink -amvR
[09:21] <lordan> I wish I could like criawips more than oo presentation whatever..
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> LOL
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> will Ubuntu fry my Hard drive
[09:21] <zenrox> Teflon_tony,  no
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> Mepis friend my hardrive!
[09:21] <Teflon_tony> Fried*
[09:22] <Teflon_tony> I actually had to go buy a different harddrive after installing Mepis
[09:22] <elf> tahnks cheers zenrox
[09:22] <Spinaltapp> good evening all
[09:22] <Teflon_tony> and it was a brand new HD
[09:22] <lordan> Teflon_tony, whatever you do, stay clear of Fedora CoreDump
[09:22] <Teflon_tony> I have heard bad things about it
[09:22] <Spinaltapp> does anyone know if there's a way to play .mpeg files in Ubuntu, or am I just a n00b for asking?
[09:22] <topyli> Teflon_tony: even mepis shouldn't do that. perhaps the drive was made on a monday morning
[09:23] <zenrox> Spinaltapp, gxine
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> LOL
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> possibly
[09:23] <bascule> it is becoming the XP of linux in terms of bloat speed and stability
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> but god was it scary
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> I had had windows installed for a couple of weeks
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> and the drive was fine
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> I tried mepis
[09:23] <lordan> FC gives you bad karma, and multiple rebirths
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> within 2 days
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> the drive madea wierd sound
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> and then it just DIED
[09:23] <Spinaltapp> zenrox, I have the LiveCD, i don't suppose it comes with it, does it?
[09:23] <Teflon_tony> Dead as a doornail
[09:23] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  nope
[09:24] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: I call bad HD. What kind was it?
[09:24] <Spinaltapp> damn
[09:24] <topyli> Teflon_tony's drive, RIP
[09:24] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  then try totum
[09:24] <Teflon_tony> Maxtor
[09:24] <Amaranth> Maxtor drives suck
[09:24] <zenrox> ya Teflon_tony  probly bad drive
[09:24] <Amaranth> I had 3 die in 6 months.
[09:24] <Teflon_tony> sheesh :(
[09:25] <zenrox> Amaranth,  i have never had a maxor die in less then 2 years as a ftp drive
[09:25] <topyli> i'm lucky, i have a 5 year old maxtor, churning quite happily :)
[09:25] <Spinaltapp> zenrox: nope, totem won't do it for some reason
[09:25] <Amaranth> my 120GB one seems to work fine (only one the store had) but their 40GB and 60GB ones were horrid
[09:25] <Spinaltapp> i'm not really upset, as I understand it's beacuse i'm running the cd, i was just curious
[09:25] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  hmmm
[09:25] <lordan> speaking of totem, does anybody have it working with polypaudio?
[09:26] <zenrox> lordan me
[09:26] <lordan> that goes for rhythmbox as well
[09:26] <Spinaltapp> Ubuntu doesn't come with Wine either, does it?
[09:26] <Teflon_tony> yeah this was horrid what happened to me
[09:26] <Amaranth> lordan: Should work without problems.
[09:26] <topyli> lordan: i've tried it and it was a success
[09:26] <zenrox> lordan,  just tell it to use esd
[09:26] <Teflon_tony> but I think I will give ubuntu a try
[09:26] <lordan> zenrox, muine works but the other two don't
[09:26] <Teflon_tony> I am now scared of mepis
[09:26] <Amaranth> lordan: polypaudio just replaces esd and that's what gstreamer is set to use.
[09:26] <lordan> that's what I'm doing
[09:26] <Amaranth> Does muine use gstreamer?
[09:27] <topyli> Amaranth: i think it's gstreamer too
[09:27] <topyli> Amaranth: i mean it's gstreamer setup that's at fault
[09:27] <Spinaltapp> is there anything especially cool about Ubuntu that makes it favorable over, say, Mandrake 10.1?
[09:27] <bascule> stability and synaptic
[09:28] <topyli> Spinaltapp: it always has the latest gnome
[09:28] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  biger couminity
[09:28] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: Less bloat. It "Just Works".
[09:28] <bascule> and the community, mandrake community is dying
[09:28] <Spinaltapp> ahh gotcha
[09:28] <zenrox> bascule,  i agree
[09:28] <lordan> just double-checked, gstreamer is set to use esd
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> mandrake 10 is monsteriously large, its like like 5 or 6 CD's
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> I was looking at it myself
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> butits just to big
[09:28] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:28] <Spinaltapp> yeah i saw that
[09:28] <bascule> zenrox: they have gone all $$$$s like deadrat
[09:28] <zenrox> Teflon_tony, 3 if you just get the d/l version
[09:28] <Teflon_tony> and a LOT of reduntant software
[09:28] <Amaranth> lordan: Other people have had and fixed this problem, I think it's on the ubuntu-users mailing list.
[09:28] <lordan> so i should be ok, but totem and rb don't
[09:28] <zenrox> bascule, yep
[09:29] <zenrox> bascule, one of the reasions i left
[09:29] <zenrox> saw a post about ubuntu
[09:29] <lordan> Amaranth, will check the archives, thanx
[09:29] <bascule> me too, that chan died ...
[09:29] <zenrox> and switced that day
[09:29] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:29] <Spinaltapp> so once i install Ubuntu on my HD, are there any essential programs I should get that don't come prepackaged?
[09:29] <topyli> Spinaltapp: java, browser plugins, some multimedia codecs
[09:29] <bascule> Spinaltapp: all the mp3/avi/dvd stuff, but depends what you do on your machine
[09:30] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  yes xine, xmms, dvdcss win32codecs
[09:30] <Spinaltapp> ahh ok
[09:30] <topyli> Spinaltapp: you can find debian packages for most of them
[09:30] <zenrox> and some of them are also easy to get and install
[09:30] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: Enable all the extra repositories and install gstreamer-plugins
[09:30] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  take a look at www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:30] <topyli> java is perhaps the most wicked
[09:31] <Amaranth> After that most multimedia stuff should work.
[09:31] <Spinaltapp> i don't do much... i mess with photoshop a lot, for which i'll have to keep windows around, and I watch dvds, though i assume I can do that with ubuntu. but I went through the other day and pretty much everything else I do is available in linux
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:31] <zenrox> that will show you how to get some of the minor anoyancies set up and fixed
[09:31] <Ramstein_fan> sex is good, sex is fine, doggy stile or 69. Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid.  Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid.  Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid.  Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid.  Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid.  Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid.  Just for fun or getting paid, every one loves getting laid. Send this to all pepol who is online!! or you will be doomed for bad sex 4ever!!
[09:32] <Amaranth> Ha, I knew I'd find one. :)
[09:32] <zenrox> thare
[09:32] <Amaranth> Thanks jdub.
[09:32] <lordan> jdub, thanks
[09:32] <vjaz> \o/
[09:32] <neighborlee> kewl thx jdub
[09:32] <Spinaltapp> yeah i messed with it a little. i've been using Photoshop for like 4 years though, i know it inside and out and I don't really want to get rid of it
[09:32] <zenrox> thx jdub
[09:32] <daniels> oh dear
[09:32] <vjaz> go jdub
[09:32] <daniels> jdub: good catch
[09:33] <Dreamer3_> Spinaltapp: then get PS for linux
[09:33] <neighborlee> nice kick LOL
[09:33] <Spinaltapp> but i hate pretty much everything else about windows :)
[09:33] <Teflon_tony> Good show kicking that spammer
[09:33] <Amaranth> Spinaltapp: WINE is free, Crossover Office costs $30 (i think) but it's easier to use.
[09:33] <Teflon_tony> I like this channel already :)
[09:33] <Spinaltapp> yeah that was nice
[09:33] <Dreamer3_> Spinaltapp: http://www.adobe.com/photoshop/linux/
[09:33] <Amaranth> Dreamer3_: I thought that was a closed beta.
[09:33] <zenrox> Dreamer3_,  thay got it out allready
[09:33] <Spinaltapp> hmm
[09:33] <Dreamer3_> Amaranth: there is one? *laughs* i was only playing
[09:34] <zenrox> Dreamer3_,  thare is one thay are going to gome out with
[09:34] <Dreamer3> zenrox: wow, about time
[09:34] <Spinaltapp> i'll probably just keep windows around for PS, plus my family won't want to switch to Linux because they're idiots, so I'll leave XP on there for them
[09:34] <Dreamer3> but that would free a lot of companies to move :)
[09:34] <Spinaltapp> OpenOffice is better anyway
[09:34] <Spinaltapp> heh
[09:34] <Dreamer3> but WAY slower
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> I use it in windows
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> yeah
[09:35] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  but rember if thay used linux your pc wont get as much crap on it
[09:35] <Dreamer3> word opens in like <1 second, and OO takes 5-10, what's up? :)
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> i freakin LOVE open source software though...
[09:35] <topyli> Spinaltapp: also if you have lots of windows games you like you'll want to keep windows around
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> Gaim kicks major ass, no spyware
[09:35] <Teflon_tony> MS will NEVER release Office for Linux
[09:35] <Teflon_tony> its a losing proposition for them
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Teflon_tony: after windows loses dominance they might
[09:35] <Spinaltapp> actually i pretty much don't game at all, which is a big factor in my decision to switch
[09:35] <Teflon_tony> Then perhaps
[09:35] <Dreamer3> Teflon_tony: of course by then it may be too late
[09:35] <topyli> Teflon_tony: yeah, windows would die
[09:35] <bascule> Dreamer3: cause like IE office is tied to the shell, hence the office exploits as well as the Interne Exploiter ones
[09:36] <Spinaltapp> i use Autocad for work and school, so i'll need the linux version of that
[09:36] <vjaz> Dreamer3, Doesn't MS Office use some background process which loads most of Office at system startup?
[09:36] <zenrox> topyli,  a small fraction will install native in linux another %age will run with wine
[09:36] <bascule> sucky security but fast startup, take your pick
[09:36] <Dreamer3> vjaz: even without that :)
[09:36] <johnnybezak> windows makes office for mac os x
[09:36] <Amaranth> Office is one of their main profit makers. If saw that Windows was going to die out they'd release Office for as many OSes as possible to keep people using it.
[09:36] <Dreamer3> vjaz: i always turn off all the auto-office crap :)
[09:36] <Teflon_tony> Mac OSX doesn't threaten Windows
[09:36] <Teflon_tony> Linux does
[09:36] <Dreamer3> vjaz: and relaunching word/excel/etc is almost instant... not so for OO
[09:36] <bascule> it's a windows extension
[09:36] <Spinaltapp> Here's a nice linux question for you guys:
[09:36] <Teflon_tony> Linux has the scalability to beat then in the long run
[09:37] <bascule> tather than a seperate app, that is how you get the integration
[09:37] <Spinaltapp> I saw a desktop application called Xpde yesterday that i'd like to use. is that possible with Ubuntu?
[09:37] <zenrox> Teflon_tony,  and run on less hardware
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> yep
[09:37] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  xpde??
[09:37] <Amaranth> Worms Armageddon > *
[09:37] <Spinaltapp> yeah
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> that is why they can't release it on Linux it would kill them
[09:37] <vjaz> Dreamer3, I agree.
[09:37] <Spinaltapp> www.xpde.org
[09:37] <topyli> urgh
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> people would migrate to Linux even faster, only licensing Office from them
[09:37] <Teflon_tony> it would kill windows
[09:38] <Spinaltapp> it's a desktop interface that mimics windows XP very closely
[09:38] <Dreamer3> office isn't the only reason people use windows though :)
[09:38] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  that dont work
[09:38] <Spinaltapp> only without sucking
[09:38] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: For some reason I see them selling their win32 system.
[09:38] <Dreamer3> version 2 of open source products usually really impress me
[09:38] <Spinaltapp> www.xpde.com  sorry
[09:39] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: In WinNT, Win2k, and WinXP the win32 API is a seperate layer over the kernel so I bet it'd be possible to port.
[09:39] <PoW> How do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?
[09:39] <zenrox> Dreamer3, ya casue at the point thay got the basics down then thay ad eye candy
[09:39] <Amaranth> Imagine them selling it for $200 for Linux. :)
[09:39] <Teflon_tony> Of course its possible to port
[09:39] <Dreamer3> zenrox: i don't want eye candy, i just want it to open better and make more sense in a few areas
[09:39] <Teflon_tony> for gods sakes they ported it Macs which are on a different architechure
[09:39] <Teflon_tony> Its a matte of shooting themselves in the foot
[09:40] <zenrox> Spinaltapp,  yes you can install something liek that thats called a desktopenviroment (like gnome)
[09:40] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: I'm not saying they'd do it now. I'm saying if Windows drops to below 50% market share.
[09:41] <zenrox> id like to see windows start with new code
[09:41] <zenrox> os tho
[09:41] <Teflon_tony> Apple is not compition because they are a hardware company, and their computers are locked in, people on the other hand can readily switch to Linux on the same hardware they run their buggy windows, one of the way they keep people who use X86 using windows is via office, if they give up having exclusive office rights on X86, they might as well release the source code and call it a night
[09:41] <zenrox> opensource
[09:41] <warty> bah sorry about that
[09:41] <mpq> my mouse doesn't work right
[09:41] <warty> anyway, would the Xpde desktop interface work with Ubuntu?
[09:42] <mpq> I'm on a laptop, and the on/off button for the touchpad doesn't work
[09:42] <zenrox> warty,  technaly yes but i ant never played with it
[09:42] <mpq> the light goes on and off but the touchpad stays on
[09:42] <bascule> Teflon_tony: you underestimate MSs ability to turn a buck .. :)
[09:42] <Amaranth> zenrox: It doesn't need a complete rewrite. They just need to take the drivers back out of the kernel (in NT 3 they weren't in the kernel) and use something like Avalon instead of GDI (that's why Longhorn is there, a transition).
[09:42] <mpq> does anyone know how to fix it?
[09:43] <Teflon_tony> I see whats your saying, but I also think you underestimate their ablity to guard a virtual monopoly :)
[09:43] <bascule> if it is free, how do you build a better mousetrap?
[09:43] <zenrox> Amaranth,  but a compleate rewrite (minus rewriting there kernel) might not be a bad idea tho
[09:44] <Teflon_tony> they have licensed SCO unix
[09:44] <lappy> hi
[09:44] <Amaranth> The NT kernel is actually really good. Also it sounds like some of the people at MS are disappointed that drivers are still running in ring 0 (kernel) in Longhorn.
[09:44] <bascule> Teflon_tony: don't open that one up!! :P
[09:44] <zenrox> ya
[09:44] <Teflon_tony> who knows maybe they will take the a hand from Apple, and build a Unix core based OS
[09:44] <warty_> grrr
[09:44] <bascule> that was a blatant legal fee subsidy
[09:44] <Amaranth> SCO Unix is absolutely worthless.
[09:44] <zenrox> agreed
[09:44] <warty_> anyway, like i was freaking saying about the Xpde desktop before i kept closing the damn window...
[09:44] <zenrox> bsd is much better
[09:44] <lappy> how do i install kde in synaptics?  i search for it in packages but it didnt find anything
[09:45] <Teflon_tony> Ok well they could use BSD
[09:45] <Teflon_tony> all I am saying is maybe they will stop trying to reinvent the wheel
[09:45] <vjaz> lappy, you need to enable the universe repository
[09:45] <zenrox> warty_,  yes technaly it can but youd have to compile it your self
[09:45] <Teflon_tony> and just go with a *nix
[09:45] <warty_> oh boo!
[09:45] <warty_> lol
[09:45] <lappy> vjaz, how do i do that? please bear with me.  i just finished installing ubuntu for my first time
[09:45] <bascule> Teflon_tony: there is a sig from a slashdot user that says "Give enough time and mioney MS will re-write UNIX"
[09:45] <warty_> alright then, i'm out for the night. it's nearly 3am here. class tomorrow...
[09:45] <zenrox> bascule,  lol
[09:45] <Dreamer3> lappy: have you added world?
[09:46] <Teflon_tony> LOL
[09:46] <Teflon_tony> probably
[09:46] <bascule> yup, it is going that way
[09:46] <vjaz> lappy, See Settings->Repositories in Synaptic
[09:46] <Amaranth> Teflon_tony: I don't see MS ever moving to something *nix based when they have a kernel written by some of the best people from DEC. :)
[09:47] <Slike> hello, how do I make an application shortcut (on my desktop) for a jar-file?
[09:47] <vjaz> lappy, There should be a disabled archive.ubuntu.com -entry there.
[09:47] <Slike> java is already in my path
[09:47] <vjaz> lappy, You need to enable that.
[09:47] <Amaranth> Maybe a more *nix like userland (longhorn is going to have this with a new shell).
[09:47] <Dreamer3> yeah, Windows XP is very solid
[09:47] <lappy> vjaz, ok. hangon
[09:47] <Teflon_tony> lol
[09:47] <topyli> Slike: in the command line, write something like 'java -jar /path/to/jar-file'
[09:47] <Dreamer3> it's IE/Outlook Express, spyware, registry corruption and other issues that plague windows
[09:48] <lappy> vjaz, are u referring to the one that says "universe"?
[09:48] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  i agree
[09:48] <dud> the problem with windows xp is that its way too playmobile for the power users
[09:48] <zenrox> xp is nice once virus writers decide to target linux
[09:48] <Dreamer3> dud: huh?
[09:48] <Slike> topyli: i know that....but i'd like to have it started with a simple double-click, is that possible?
[09:48] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: If it didn't have all the garbage (RPC, etc) and the drivers weren't in the kernel (almost a non-issue with certified drivers) WinXP would be the best OS out there for desktop users.
[09:48] <vjaz> lappy, yes
[09:48] <lappy> vjaz, so i hit the reload button right?
[09:48] <topyli> Slike: yes, right click the desktop and select 'Create Launcher'
[09:49] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: i just like the freedom of linux
[09:49] <topyli> Slike: there's a command line
[09:49] <vjaz> lappy, after enabling the repository, yes
[09:49] <Dreamer3> xp prolly runs better/fasted on this lappy
[09:49] <Amaranth> Slike: Make the shortcut run 'java -jar /path/to/file.jar' (without quotes).
[09:49] <vjaz> lappy, then you should be able to find kde
[09:49] <Neil3> Dreamer3, i also think file organisation and management on windows isnt as solid as nix, like users only being able to write to their home dir and stuff
[09:49] <Slike> amaranth: then it says something like java not found
[09:49] <Neil3> and apps being in one place, libraries in another etc
[09:49] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: Yeah, I love it too. That's why I use Ubuntu even though XP worked better for me and I knew how to lock it down properly.
[09:49] <zenrox> Neil3,  i agree
[09:49] <Neil3> very well organised and tidy in nix
[09:49] <Dreamer3> Neil3: true, but windows can be locked down, just FYI
[09:50] <Neil3> yeah
[09:50] <zenrox> linux's files system is nise and easy
[09:50] <zenrox> very logical
[09:50] <Neil3> the registry is a real pain too sometimes
[09:50] <Neil3> configuration files are definitely easier to work with
[09:50] <topyli> Slike: then use the full path to java, like '/usr/bin/java'. it might not read your variables right
[09:50] <Amaranth> Neil3: Too bad GNOME had to copy that. :P
[09:50] <Neil3> heh
[09:50] <Dreamer3> lol@ Amaranth
[09:50] <zenrox> i jsut like how linux handles ram
[09:50] <Neil3> yeah
[09:50] <Amaranth> And they are trying to get everything to use it so their new admin tool will work properly.
[09:50] <zenrox> fill ram up before useing swap
[09:51] <zenrox> win= fill swap up then complain
[09:51] <Neil3> and i dont have a million and one things running in the background phoning home or whatever
[09:51] <Amaranth> pfft, in windows i didn't need swap unless i was using photoshop
[09:51] <Dreamer3> Neil3: that's also your choice :)
[09:51] <Amaranth> it was nice to be able to enable and disable swap as needed
[09:51] <Dreamer3> Neil3: it's possible to keep windows boxes clean if you avoid IE :)
[09:51] <Neil3> true
[09:51] <bascule> swapoff, swapon
[09:51] <Neil3> but you have to work around it
[09:51] <Neil3> with linux it just 'is'
[09:51] <bascule> do that on doze without it crashing
[09:51] <lappy> vjaz, i have a usb drive.  when i plugged it in, it got mounted automatically.  can i just unplug it or is there a "umount" way of doing it?
[09:51] <zenrox> Amaranth,  i only have a 128meg swap file and only use 30mges of it after 2 days of constant uptime
[09:51] <Amaranth> Neil3: Only because someone did it for you (Ubuntu, SuSE, etc)
[09:51] <Neil3> and most novice windows users wont know to tweak services etc
[09:52] <Neil3> hehe
[09:52] <Neil3> true
[09:52] <Dreamer3> we have clients with very solid WIndows XP networks
[09:52] <Amaranth> So far nothing beats AD, either.
[09:52] <Dreamer3> no one has admin accounts... known good software, few issues
[09:52] <bascule> not much crap software on them I take it
[09:52] <bascule> yeah
[09:52] <Amaranth> SUS is finally beaten by package managers with local servers
[09:53] <vjaz> lappy, right click on the icon on your desktop and select "eject" I think
[09:53] <Neil3> with windows you're pretty much stuck with the explorer desktop
[09:53] <Amaranth> bascule: Programs that require admin-level access to things can get it with very tight ACLs setup.
[09:53] <Dreamer3> with a linux firewall/proxy/domain controller running the show :)
[09:53] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  but who dont want to use a admin account winxp (just casue it limets installing programs
[09:53] <Slike> ok, with the full path it works...
[09:53] <bascule> i think Linux and windows currently stand on a level playing feild in terms of usability
[09:53] <Dreamer3> zenrox: huh?
[09:53] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  ignore me
[09:53] <johnnybezak> bascule: no way man
[09:53] <Dreamer3> zenrox: ok
[09:53] <zenrox> hehehe
[09:53] <lappy> vjaz, ok thx
[09:54] <bascule> johnnybezak: why
[09:54] <johnnybezak> bascule: too many things need tweaking
[09:54] <Amaranth> bascule: Once the Linux Standard Base gets used by all the major distros people will just be able to download an RPM off a website (yeah, i know, RPM) and install it just like Windows.
[09:54] <zenrox> hardware is one of them
[09:54] <Amaranth> So it'll be even easier to use Linux.
[09:54] <johnnybezak> bascule: to get working properly, dont get me wrong I like tweaking stuff, windows is still more usable
[09:54] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: well, libc versions still impact that
[09:54] <topyli> Amaranth: i don't want to install stuff like in windows :)
[09:54] <bascule> yes, support from the majior hw manufacturers is a big step that will be gradual
[09:55] <johnnybezak> Amaranth: I think a package manager is better than going to a website and installing things
[09:55] <zenrox> yep
[09:55] <bascule> johnnybezak: nah tweaks are only neede for some hardware
[09:55] <zenrox> just like windows
[09:55] <bascule> yup
[09:55] <Neil3> package installing is so easy and fast
[09:55] <Amaranth> johnnybezak: Not for CustomApp 0.1 from SmallSoftwareCo that doesn't have it's proprietary software in any repositories.
[09:56] <bascule> linux is far more tweakable, but it isn't neccessary to do, given the right hardware
[09:56] <distvan> I haven't  /dev/fd0 and I can't use the floppy. How do I create it?
[09:56] <Neil3> in windows you have to click 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'next' 'reboot'
[09:56] <johnnybezak> bascule: every time i install a distro i have to at least tweak something be it video/sound
[09:56] <johnnybezak> or whatever
[09:56] <zenrox> bascule, and not so hard on cpu resources with eyecand like windows is
[09:57] <johnnybezak> Amaranth: thats not a problem with package managemnet thats a problem with SmallSoftwareCo
[09:57] <Amaranth> Neil3: Linux doesn't have DLL Hell because package managers control overwriting libs, too.
[09:57] <bascule> johnnybezak: If I hand you a brnd new box and a XP disc, it will take more work than Ubuntu
[09:57] <zenrox> bascule, is right
[09:57] <johnnybezak> bascule: yeah youre probably right man (haha im just thinking what it took to install xp on my friends lap top today :P)
[09:57] <Amaranth> johnnybezak: Now does SmallSoftwareCo get Debian, Ubuntu, SuSE, and Red Hat to put their app in the repositories? If they have to make their own it would be easier to provide an RPM.
[09:58] <distvan> Special device /dev/fd0 does not exist. Could you help me?
[09:58] <bascule> johnnybezak: there you go, it is a reality, XP is 4 years old though
[09:58] <Amaranth> I wish people would follow Apple's lead and work to make things faster every release.
[09:59] <Amaranth> It seems like some Linux devs are starting to try.
[09:59] <bascule> KDE do, not that I like them
[09:59] <bascule> them/it
[09:59] <Amaranth> KDE didn't have much of a choice, it was heavier then WinXP.
[09:59] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: It will boot faster. ;)
[09:59] <bascule> but they are doing it
[09:59] <zenrox> Dreamer3, it is in my opion
[09:59] <Amaranth> Seems like the GNOME folks are doing it too.
[09:59] <vjaz> There's a post on OSNews about an effort to reduce GTK+'s memory requirements.
[10:00] <Dreamer3> vjaz: linkx?
[10:00] <johnnybezak> stuff on linux is consistently quicker than on xp or mac os x
[10:00] <Amaranth> And GNOME 3 is supposed to be a lot lighter.
[10:00] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: where can i read all this
[10:00] <johnnybezak> im running ubuntu/flux on my iMac 17" cos its much more responsive
[10:00] <johnnybezak> Gnome 3 isn't even planned yet is it?
[10:01] <Neil3> yeah its in development johnnybezak
[10:01] <PoW> How do I take a screenshot of my desktop in KDE?
[10:01] <johnnybezak> I read on the gnome site I think that gnome 3 will be the release of gnome that breaks backwards compatibility, but i'm probably just mistaken
[10:01] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: I pick it up from blogs. For GNOME 3 they are pushing to simplify dependencies by getting rid of unused APIs and simplifiying things so some aren't needed. Plus combining some of them.
[10:01] <Slike> PoW: Ksnapshot
[10:01] <PoW> Where is that at?
[10:01] <Slike> alt+f2 and fill the word in ;-)
[10:01] <Neil3> that sounds extremely cool Amaranth
[10:01] <Amaranth> Dreamer3: Which will mean less shit to load into memory just to load a simple little app.
[10:01] <Neil3> efficiency
[10:02] <Neil3> aye
[10:02] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: true
[10:02] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: though i find gnome better in taht regard than KDE
[10:02] <Amaranth> I've heard talks of removing GnomeProgram even. ;)
[10:02] <zenrox> and be able to run on a lower mem box
[10:02] <Amaranth> Yeah, GNOME has always been better at it then KDE it seems.
[10:02] <Dreamer3> Amaranth: at least when i compared library linking and startup time of "calc" (kde or gnome)... gnome was was faster with less dynamic linking
[10:02] <Neil3> could perhaps dig out the amiga 500 with 1mb ram from the attic!
[10:02] <Neil3> here's hoping
[10:02] <zenrox> lol
[10:03] <Amaranth> GNOME looks sexy to people who like fast and sleek, KDE looks sexy to people who like flashy things. ;)
[10:03] <zenrox> id love to see gnome load on that
[10:03] <bascule> still good for a game of sensible soccer
[10:03] <Neil3> gnome is more elegant imo
[10:03] <zenrox> i agree
[10:03] <Dreamer3> *would love a faster laptop period to run Gnome on*
[10:03] <Neil3> like a tall slim brunette in an evening dress
[10:03] <Neil3> as oposed to kde which is a busty blonde with lots of makeup
[10:03] <Neil3> a little more curvatious
[10:03] <bascule> KDE is a tart with too much make-up
[10:03] <zenrox> agreed
[10:04] <Dreamer3> lol
[10:04] <Dreamer3> lol
[10:04] <Dreamer3> rofl
[10:04] <zenrox> i have bine using gnome since rh 7.0
[10:04] <Dreamer3> that was good
[10:04] <mpq> I've never seen KDE but I guess I don't need to
[10:04] <mpq> I'll take the brunette any day
[10:04] <Dreamer3> though i think xfce is the cute red-head that goes unoticed by most guys
[10:04] <johnnybezak> i think kde is fine it just needs usability work (think amount of buttons in konqueror)
[10:04] <bascule> heh, acme up with it in a KDE/xfce flame I was having with a freind
[10:04] <bascule> came*
[10:04] <Amaranth> KDE 4 is probably going to blow us all away though. They are going to use gstreamer (or something similar) and Qt 4 and are trying to get things smaller and faster.
[10:05] <zenrox> nice
[10:05] <Neil3> perhaps kde and gnome will merge one day
[10:05] <bascule> and aren't they just gonna soooooo overdo the composite transparecncy ... :P
[10:05] <Dreamer3> ROFL
[10:05] <PoW> Slike, the command Ksnapshot was not found.
[10:05] <Dreamer3> kde and gnome won't merge
[10:05] <Neil3> you never know
[10:05] <mpq> what does kde look like?
[10:05] <daniels> desktop environment flamewars somewhere else please; relevant discussion (e.g. amaranth's last comment) is fine, but none of the random 'omg kde sux'/'omg gnome sux' please
[10:05] <zenrox> PoW,  install it
[10:05] <PoW> Oh it's a package
[10:05] <PoW> lol
[10:05] <bascule> mpq: wwww.kde.org, screenshots
[10:05] <PoW> alright thanks
[10:06] <mpq> thanks
[10:06] <bascule> one less w of course :)
[10:06] <bascule> lol
[10:06] <zenrox> lol
[10:07] <Dreamer3> too bad ubuntu is mostly a community of "tall slim brunettes in an evening dresses"...
[10:07] <Neil3> haha
[10:07] <Neil3> with a glass of red wine in their hands
[10:07] <ells> does anyone know of an app that will allow me to pull files from a windows machine remotely
[10:07] <zenrox> hahaha but at least we have class
[10:08] <Neil3> yeah
[10:08] <Neil3> gnome does feel classy
[10:08] <Neil3> definitely
[10:08] <zenrox> ells samba www.ubuntuguide.org to set it up
[10:08] <bascule> ells: samba and a file browser that will support that
[10:08] <ells> bascule, will it allow my linux machine to pull files from the windows machine
[10:08] <zenrox> yes
[10:08] <Dreamer3> doesn't gnome's nautilius support that out of the vox?
[10:08] <bascule> yes, it is what it does .. :)
[10:09] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  only if it has smbfs
[10:09] <ells> thanks
[10:09] <johnnybezak_> Dreamer3: with ubuntu it does
[10:09] <Dreamer3> zenrox: well, we're talking ubuntu here, right? :)
[10:09] <bascule> in fact MS ask the samba guys stuff about netBIOS (snigger)
[10:09] <Neil3> hahahaa
[10:09] <zenrox> hahahahaha
[10:09] <ells> i just rebuilt a machine and it the video card wont display properly, it locks after i install
[10:10] <Dreamer3> bascule: oh yeah?
[10:10] <Neil3> samba does work so well actually
[10:10] <ells> so I guess i will have to put windows on that one
[10:10] <zenrox> Dreamer3,  yes but smbfs helps so that it can mount it
[10:10] <bascule> Dreamer3: yeah they did consultancy work for them for 2k3
[10:10] <Neil3> you know its a good app when you don't realise it's there but its silently doing its thing
[10:10] <zenrox> Neil3,  yep
[10:11] <Dreamer3> like the taskbar clock
[10:11] <Neil3> gotta go to work bbl!
[10:11] <Dreamer3> it never locks up
[10:11] <Dreamer3> always shows the time
[10:11] <zenrox> or weather app
[10:13] <zenrox> but one thaing i know forshure ubuntu is now my linux flavor till the end of time
[10:14] <zenrox> why??
[10:15] <zenrox> ubuntu will release faster than debian
[10:15] <johnnybezak_> i wonder what sort of effect ubuntu has had on debian numbers (if any)
[10:15] <dud> I prefer freebsd on server
[10:16] <Dreamer3> because debian is a ROCK
[10:16] <Dreamer3> and ubuntu is rocklike in many ways :)
[10:16] <zenrox> lol
[10:16] <egli> jonathaN: good question. It might take away from debian
[10:16] <johnnybezak_> i was on mac os x recently, the bsd man pages are waaayyyy better than the GNU ones has any one else noticed this?
[10:16] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to get my wireless lan up. I can associate, but dhcp doesn't give me an ip when I do an ifup eth1. Where should I go from here?
[10:16] <egli> or it might bring new people to debian
[10:17] <dud> i *really* dont fucking like the new d-i installer
[10:17] <zenrox> rock <--> hard place   debian<-->ubuntu
[10:17] <Dreamer3> my laptop switched from Debian to Ubuntu... because I like the idea of newer software but not constantly changing (was running sarge/testing)
[10:17] <Dreamer3> dud: i like it except partiting seems more complicated than necessary
[10:17] <dud> its just not very initiutive, and i feel like I have no control compared to the good old one
[10:17] <Dreamer3> but for servers i think i'd like real debian :)
[10:17] <dud> and its prone to breakage as well
[10:17] <Bungo> I'm building a new system which I will run Ubuntu on. Any reccomendations for CPU/MB? (I was thinking of Athlon 64 with NForce4 Ultra mainboard)
[10:17] <bascule> they have that proven track record don't they
[10:18] <dud> imho nothing beats freebsd for serving content
[10:18] <zenrox> dud i am using ubuntu as a server
[10:18] <johnnybezak_> dud: hpw come?
[10:18] <zenrox> and its pretty sollid
[10:18] <Dreamer3> dud: i haven't had issues with it
[10:19] <dud> first of all its solid, and the ports system just rocks the socks off, and the init system is excellent
[10:19] <zenrox> me too Dreamer3
[10:19] <Dreamer3> heck, even a 2500 AMD XP would be blazing
[10:19] <dud> I recommend freebsd as servers and generally ubuntu for desktop, for all my clients
[10:19] <zenrox> 2ghz celron(p4core)
[10:20] <bascule> even a 2500, a 2500 is pretty good really
[10:20] <Dreamer3> i tried freebsd, couldn't get into it
[10:20] <Dreamer3> i'm just too rooted in linux
[10:20] <Dreamer3> and not enough time
[10:20] <zenrox> id do my sysinfo script here but its offtopic;)
[10:20] <bascule> me too, I just couldn't really be bothered relearning another OS
[10:20] <johnnybezak_> i ran a 2500XP it was pretty sweet
[10:20] <zenrox> but i can do it in #ubuntuforums
[10:20] <dud> I've been using freebsd for server for so long now... back with freebsd 3.x series
[10:20] <johnnybezak_> (now back on the 800 mhz g4 :P)
[10:21] <bascule> damn you
[10:21] <bascule> :)
[10:21] <johnnybezak_> dud: i'm going to make a little server, considering a bsd
[10:21] <dud> i have an athlon64 3000+ with 1GB RAM
[10:21] <dud> pretty sweet
[10:21] <johnnybezak_> thats what my house mate has
[10:21] <bascule> oh well ...
[10:21] <DeusY> i have lost grub from my mbr. my distro is warty. any link on how to get the boot loader back using the warty installation cd?
[10:21] <Dreamer3> is the bsd kernel/app faster than linux on relaly old hardware (486/original pentium)?
[10:22] <bascule> maybe next year ...
[10:22] <zenrox> welp i am off to bed all night and thx for the rousing convertaions
[10:23] <bascule> night
[10:23] <dud> johnnybezak_, openbsd only works as a security concept, netbsd works for routers based on 386 pcs
[10:23] <dud> and freebsd just works ;)
[10:23] <johnnybezak_> freebsd has got the flag logo doesnt it?
[10:24] <dud> freebsd has a dmon as its mascot
[10:24] <Dreamer3> freebsd is what i tried...
[10:24] <Dreamer3> couldn't go into it
[10:24] <Dreamer3> couldn't get into it
[10:25] <daniels> guys, y'know there's #freebsd ...
[10:25] <Dreamer3> daniels: if nothing else is happening, why not? :)
[10:25] <DeusY> hoary (5.04) is a final or a preview version ?
[10:26] <johnnybezak_> yeah i've used mac os x a bit which is bsd based
[10:26] <bascule> DeusY: preview, still testing
[10:26] <daniels> Dreamer3: because it might intimidate people who want to use it for support stuff
[10:26] <DeusY> thanks
[10:26] <Dreamer3> daniels: so a quiet room is more inviting?
[10:27] <daniels> not dead silent, but not as abuzz with freebsd chatter
[10:27] <Slike> hmm....my java problem is quite strange...$PATH in console returns this:bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin: Onbekend bestand of map
[10:27] <Dreamer3> daniels: you have valid points
[10:27] <Slike> "onbekend bestand of map" = "unknown folder/file"
[10:27] <Slike> but it is there
[10:27] <DeusY> still, can you please point me at a howto or something on restoing GRUB on a lost MBR for Warty (I do not have the grub floppydisk)
[10:28] <bascule> :/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin
[10:28] <DeusY> i just have the warty cd
[10:28] <bascule> perhaps the trailing :
[10:28] <Slike> might be that idd....
[10:29] <Slike> how do I remove that ":"? i added this to /etc/bash.bashrc: JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01
[10:29] <Slike> export JAVA_HOME
[10:29] <Slike> PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[10:29] <Slike> export PATH
[10:30] <bascule> hmmm
[10:30] <bascule> DeusY: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gainrootinstallcd and a little further on too
[10:30] <Slike> or is there some other way to get this in the $path variable?
[10:30] <DeusY> thanks
[10:31] <bascule> Slike: export $PATH , what does it say?
[10:31] <bascule> echo $PATH
[10:31] <bascule> damn dont do the export
[10:31] <bascule> well not the end of the worldif you do
[10:32] <Slike> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin
[10:32] <Slike> but my compiler isn't found....
[10:33] <bascule> and if you ls -l /usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01 it is there?
[10:33] <Slike> and i have trouble with eclipse (saying that java is not in my path
[10:33] <Slike> it's there yes
[10:33] <bascule> source /etc/profile
[10:33] <bascule> try again
[10:34] <Slike> i entered that command...tried to compile (with jGRASP if that matters) but still the same
[10:34] <bascule> whereis javac
[10:35] <Slike> inside the bin-folder (/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin/javac), standard place
[10:36] <bascule> no aas a command, whereis javac
[10:36] <Slike> sorry ;)
[10:36] <bascule> it will show you, which javac will do the same
[10:36] <Slike> it returns: javac:
[10:36] <bascule> ;-?
[10:36] <bascule> :-/
[10:37] <bascule> :-(
[10:37] <bascule> lol
[10:37] <Slike> is it possible it's using parts of gcc or something, instead of the sun-sdk?
[10:37] <bascule> not if you told it not to
[10:37] <bascule> or didn't tell it to rather
[10:39] <bascule> echo $JAVA_PATH
[10:39] <Slike> this returns an empty line
[10:39] <dud> thats the problem then
[10:39] <bascule> export JAVA_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin
[10:40] <dud> shouldnt that be without the /bin part?
[10:40] <Nermal> Slike, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[10:40] <bascule> perhaps you made a common mistake and applied spaces to the var
[10:40] <dud> and in path $JAVA_PATH/bin?
[10:40] <bascule> dud: sometimes yes, sometimes no ...
[10:40] <bascule> dud: you are right
[10:41] <Nermal> Slike, just add another ln -s for the javac bin
[10:41] <zzyber> Hi! Im installing Ubuntu on my friends laptop and i want to activate the pcmcia nic during install, how is that possible?
[10:42] <Slike> now i have $JAVA_PATH=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0_01/bin , but it still doesn't compile or start eclipse
[10:44] <marcin_ant> Slike: you need to export JAVA_HOME and JAVA_PATH in the same terminal session you want to run eclipse
[10:44] <raghu> zzyber: it should do automatically you can notice while installing
[10:45] <Slike> hmmm...it keeps on doing strange things....
[10:45] <Slike> not what i want it to do
[10:46] <Slike> i just would like to have this runtime & compiler stuff in my path permanently...but the ubuntuguide stuff doesn't seem to work here completely
[10:50] <billytwowilly> what's the deal with the array stuff?
[10:51] <stuNNed> it's like a release cycle afaik
[10:57] <dikatlon> hey i have put up a mirror for ubuntu
[10:57] <dikatlon> http://dikatlon.homelinux.com/linux/
[10:57] <acidmaxd> question: ubuntu warty, upgraded && dist-upgraded. /bin/login, /bin/su, /usr/sbin/useradd, /usr/sbin/usermod, /usr/sbin/vipw are with incorrect (modified) checksums. Do you think that this machine has been compromised?
[10:57] <dikatlon> It's a swedish mirror in fact
[10:58] <bascule> acidmaxd: ckrootkit
[10:58] <DeusY> dude, maybe I did something wrong, but i get errors trying to restore grub the way the ubuntuguide describes ot
[10:58] <bascule> chkrootkit
[10:59] <bascule> DeusY: what sort of errors?
[10:59] <DeusY> bascule: I get the root acces as described there, i run "grub" than "root (hd0,0)" then "setup (hd0)"
[11:00] <DeusY> here i get "Cannot mount..."
[11:00] <DeusY> Error 17
[11:00] <DeusY> :/
[11:00] <trukulo> anyone using atitvout with hoary?
[11:01] <Slike|Gone> finally got it working...i installed some preconfigured packages :)
[11:01] <bascule> DeusY: so you mount /dev/discs/disc0/part? /ubuntu
[11:01] <DeusY> yeap
[11:01] <bascule> try it this way:
[11:01] <bascule> mount -o rw /dev/discs/disc0/part? /ubuntu
[11:02] <bascule> perhaps mounted it read only
[11:02] <DeusY> part? shoub be the partiotion where ubuntu is installed, isn't it? (i have only one patiotion / and the swap)
[11:03] <bascule> yeas, so hda3 would be /dev/discs/disc0/part3
[11:03] <TheMuso_> Does anybody know whether the community council meeting is on today?
[11:03] <DeusY> ok, thanks
[11:03] <DeusY> i'll try again
[11:04] <bascule> DeusY: it is because devfs or udev haven't been run that yiu refer to it that way, if you care ...
[11:04] <bascule> and the -o rw makes it writable
[11:04] <bascule> which it needs to be
[11:04] <delltony> question is it a known bug that recent document clear doesn't work or should i file a bugreport on bugzilla?
[11:04] <DeusY> thanks dude, i'll be back in a couple of minutes to tell you if it's working
[11:04] <bascule> search bugzilla first, if no then do it
[11:05] <bascule> DeusY: OK
[11:05] <acidmaxd> bascule: i've checked it using chkrootkit - nothing. rkhunter reports these files as modified
[11:06] <bascule> I dunno that app, but the upgrade may have changed them since it looked at those files
[11:06] <chris_> where should I put a startup script to enable my rf switch?
[11:06] <bascule> so it's list of md5s look different
[11:06] <acidmaxd> bascule: ok, thanks
[11:06] <bascule> np
[11:07] <acidmaxd> bascule: oops: Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS:  465)
[11:08] <delltony> bascule, ok yeah its a bug curious not too familar with the bugzilla is there a way to make it send you updates of the issue? do you just add yours to cc ?
[11:08] <bascule> delltony: I am not sure, if you add a comment, just something silly like "I get this too" it will mail you ... dirty but will work :)
[11:09] <delltony> nah
[11:09] <bascule> acidmaxd: hmmmm
[11:09] <acidmaxd> bascule: sorry, false alarm - it's stunnel
[11:09] <bascule> ah
[11:09] <delltony> i don't want to clutter their system unless its useful
[11:09] <acidmaxd> smtps
[11:09] <bascule> delltony: If you want to be kept informed of that bug, do it, that is what bugzilla is for
[11:09] <delltony> ok will do
[11:10] <bascule> delltony: there may be a subscribe to this bug option too
[11:10] <bascule> delltony: amen to that, I get the no clearing thing too, but that is hoary ...
[11:10] <DeusY> no success :P
[11:11] <delltony> yeah the trashcan now works though
[11:11] <delltony> before it didn't
[11:11] <bascule> DeusY: what is wrong with the booting on this box?
[11:12] <DeusY> i got widows xp installed and the mbr was overwriten
[11:12] <delltony> but really they need to add that functionality back to gnome the application:/// i will post my program after i test it and make sure it works fine but the thing is the person running it must install php-gtk and the php4-dev kit but anyway
[11:12] <bascule> and now grub won't go back, OK. What was the error this time?
[11:12] <DeusY> so now i am trying to get ubuntu back on track... i could reinstall it alltogether but i am afraid of loosing my updates
[11:12] <chris_> where do I put scripts I want to run at startup?
[11:13] <DeusY> bascule: same error when running "setup (hd0)" in grub: Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition
[11:13] <bascule>  e.g. Assumed that /dev/hda1 is the location of /boot partition <-- did you notice that ?
[11:13] <bascule> DeusY: ^
[11:13] <delltony> chris_, go to preferences then sessions
[11:13] <bascule> hd(?,?) will need to be changed to reflect this, I dunno though I am a lilo user
[11:13] <acidmaxd> bascule: the strange thing is that i've found my shadow file in /home . nobody has access to this machine, only me
[11:13] <delltony> there is a thing there called startup programs
[11:14] <delltony> you can just add the command there
[11:14] <bascule> acidmaxd: and you didn't copy it there, only root shouold be ab;e to do this ...
[11:14] <chris_> delltony, That's at gnome startup though isn't it?
[11:14] <DeusY> my ubuntu is installed on /dev/hda8
[11:14] <delltony> yeah
[11:14] <delltony> other place i think it xsession or xintrc but not certain on that
[11:14] <DeusY> hda7 is the swap, and others are win
[11:14] <chris_> delltony, I need for system startup. It's for the wireless lan card rfswitch. It need to be turned on before the networking stuff is run.
[11:15] <bascule> DeusY: I am not sure on this, once again I do lilo not grub
[11:15] <acidmaxd> bascule: i didn't
[11:15] <delltony> someone else can correct me but i believe its the .xsession file iirc
[11:15] <DeusY> bascule thanks for your help
[11:15] <bascule> DeusY: np
[11:15] <DeusY> i'll search more on the web
[11:16] <acidmaxd> bascule: this is a mail machine, the users have system accounts, but the shell is '/bin/false', so they shouldn't be able to login
[11:18] <bascule> acidmaxd: I really don't know, /bin/false would prevent a login though
[11:19] <acidmaxd> ok, thanks a lot
[11:19] <bascule> np
[11:21] <snowblink> chris_: man update-rc.d
[11:21] <andy> gday..K7 kernel for Athlon XP processor?
[11:21] <delltony> chris_,  you can add that line to your $HOME/.xinitrc ($Home/.xsession in Debian) as well to start as soon as your X session starts on boot. this was taken from linux laptops
[11:21] <delltony> i used that method on warty for lineakd& hope that helps
[11:23] <snowblink> andy: yes
[11:23] <andy> snowblink: thx mate
[11:24] <andy> can it be made to install K7 from initial install?
[11:24] <andy> doh..nope i386 iso
[11:24] <snowblink> andy: You should apt-get it anyway. That way you get the latest security versions
[11:25] <andy> snowblink: yeh will do that..gonna go reinstall from scratch..i gotta stop messing with debian while i'm drunk
[11:26] <PoW> Can you unzip .zip files using tar?
[11:27] <snowblink> pow: try unzip
[11:27] <snowblink> pow: or gunzip
[11:37] <drasko> Hi all
[11:38] <Jerub> hi!
[11:38] <Jerub> whats the easiest way of migrating from debian to ubuntu without losing data?
[11:38] <Jerub> I'm completely fine about losing system config and package installations
[11:39] <Nermal> have a seperate /home ?
[11:39] <Jerub> is that it?
[11:39] <drasko> I've got a question about apache: a site I put on my machine i coplely browsable from my machine, but from other machine all I see is a homepage with no pictures on it... Site is not browsable at all, I can not go to the any other page of my sit
[11:39] <Haukkari> I'm migrating from Ubuntu to Debian. Why?  Actually not at all. Sure, it runs but any game won't work
[11:40] <Jerub> Haukkari: whats cedega?
[11:40] <Haukkari> Jerub: the new winex
[11:40] <Haukkari> Jerub: windows emulator, especially for games
[11:41] <Haukkari> But anyway, I mostly use my laptop which has the most kick-ass OS I've ever used so my desktop isn't really a priority... I just use it for windows-gaming and Windows can do that now that I don't need to really use it. =)
[11:41] <Haukkari> And the OS in my laptop is Mac OS X. :)
[11:42] <stijn_> hooray for Haukkari :p
[11:42] <Jerub> oh.
[11:42] <Jerub> if you want windows. run windows.
[11:42] <Jerub> if you want games, get an xbox and a tv tuner.
[11:43] <Jerub> ;)
[11:43] <Jerub> I want a mac mini
[11:45] <PoW> What would be an example gunzip command
[11:46] <PoW> to unzip and save the contents of test.zip
[11:46] <eXhum3d> hello. i just installed ubuntu and i'm trying to get xmms with apt-get, but i get some errors
[11:46] <eXhum3d> isn't it supposed to download all dependencies ?
[11:46] <eXhum3d> thanks in advance
[11:46] <PoW> eXhum3d, tried using synaptic?
[11:46] <Nermal> eXhum3d, should do
[11:46] <Nermal> why the hell would that be any different ?
[11:46] <Nermal> synaptic being a front end to apt
[11:46] <eXhum3d> don't know
[11:47] <PoW> eXhum3d, Did you edit your source.list?
[11:47] <eXhum3d> PoW, no
[11:47] <eXhum3d> what do I have to edit there ?
[11:47] <eXhum3d> i saw that file
[11:47] <eXhum3d> let me check it again
[11:47] <PoW> eXhum3d, well you should uncomment the extras
[11:47] <PoW> to get a large list of packages
[11:48] <eXhum3d> ok, i'll try it
[11:48] <eXhum3d> thanks friends
[11:48] <eXhum3d> well, I did that
[11:48] <eXhum3d> i did apt-get update after that
[11:48] <eXhum3d> and I still got errors
[11:49] <raghu> eXhum3d: what error?
[11:49] <eXhum3d> i'll pastebin it
[11:50] <raghu> eXhum3d: paste in pvt window
[11:50] <membreya> hi there Nermal  :)
[11:51] <dud> yey, my first ubuntu package bug is in the archives <3
[11:51] <dud> bugfix even hehe
[11:51] <membreya> wd dud ;)
[11:52] <Nermal> lo membreya :)
[11:53] <membreya> Nermal: how are your nerdy skills at compiling and using modules? :P
[11:53] <Nermal> pretty good
[11:53] <Nermal> I'm quite rageful and depressed at the moment just to warn you though
[11:54] <dud> weird combination of feelings...
[11:54] <membreya> ok then ... lol :P
[11:55] <membreya> well I compiled a set of quickcam drivers and made a quickcam.ko....I've then insmod'd this module which loads it to memory
[11:55] <membreya> however I add it to /etc/modules and it doesn't load at boot.. I do a modprobe and it says module not found..I have to go back to the compile directory
[11:55] <membreya> and insmod it each time :\
[11:59] <membreya> thinking bout it Nermal ? :P
[12:00] <Nermal> umm..
[12:00] <Nermal> well.. it would need to be in /lib/modules/<kernel version> no ?
[12:01] <Nermal> and then you'd have to add it to /etc/modules.conf
[12:01] <Nermal> and run depmod -a
[12:01] <Nermal> modules.conf is some black magic I've never fully understood
[12:01] <CarlK> how does modprobe know to look in  /lib/modules/<kernel version> for anything?
[12:02] <membreya> so do i need to copy the quickcam.ko anywhere in particular?
[12:02] <CarlK> membreya - did you
[12:02] <CarlK> membreya - did you "make install" ?
[12:02] <membreya> CarlK: sure did do a make install
[12:02] <membreya> but it only made a copy of the .ko in the directory I was in
[12:03] <Nermal> CarlK, it just does
[12:03] <Nermal> that's where modules go
[12:03] <CarlK> heh
[12:03] <membreya> Nermal: /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/image would that be ok to copy the .ko file ?
[12:03] <Nermal> like I said.. black magic :|
[12:03] <Nermal> I think so
[12:04] <membreya> as long as it's somewhere ;)
[12:04] <Nermal> though maybe not under kernel
[12:04] <CarlK> im surprised there isn't a var like PATH
[12:04] <Nermal> as it's not part of the kernel
[12:04] <Nermal> /lib/modules/2.6.10-3-amd64-generic/misc or something
[12:04] <CarlK> i need to make breakfast
[12:04] <CarlK> ill be back later
[12:04] <membreya> Nermal: there's no misc directory...if I create one will it know to look in it ?
[12:05] <Nermal> I think so
[12:05] <membreya> one way to find out :P
[12:05] <membreya> so create the directory
[12:05] <Nermal> I really don't know too much about autoloading modules :|
[12:05] <membreya> copy the file
[12:05] <membreya> do a depmod -a
[12:05] <Nermal> then try a modprobe
[12:06] <membreya> hrm ...how do you unload a module ?
[12:07] <membreya> nevermind :)
[12:07] <membreya> just did a modprobe on the quickcam
[12:07] <membreya> and it worked :)
[12:07] <membreya> sweet :D
[12:07] <membreya> now I just have to get the video working lol!
[12:07] <membreya> it apparently outpouts to /dev/video1
[12:08] <membreya> thanks for your help Nermal  :)
[12:09] <membreya> it is all easy enough...once you know how :|
[12:09] <membreya> ask me tomorrow and I will have forgotten
[12:09] <membreya> aaaargh..out of cigarettes :'(
[12:19] <Benuw> Hi folks, does somebody know how to set up a speedtouch 330 adsl modem
[12:19] <Benuw> On ubuntu?
[12:22] <Coily> something happened where i have to click the title bar to switch windows, instead of just clicking anywhere in the window. anyone know whats up?
[12:39] <leveldoc> hi everybody
[12:39] <sobralense> high
[12:40] <leveldoc> does anyone know how to configure my Ubuntu Linux to act as a NFS _CLIENT_, not a server? I can't seem to find a nfs-client package or anything related to it in my repositories
[12:42] <lunitik> leveldoc: nfs is in-kernel... just mount via 'mount -t nfs ip_addr:/path/to/share /where/to/mount'
[12:44] <leveldoc> coolies, thanks!
[12:45] <CarlK> I have found mount to be pretty good at figuring out the type
[12:45] <CarlK> even with loop into an iso image
[12:47] <leveldoc> how do I add automatic mounts to my boot procedure?
[12:47] <leveldoc> just /etc/fstab?
[12:48] <leveldoc> that easy?
[12:48] <CarlK> yup
[12:48] <leveldoc> Ubuntu is the first distro that works out of the box the way I want it to.
[12:48] <CarlK> somewhere in the boot scripts is: mount -a
[12:50] <CarlK> leveldoc - warty or hoary?
[12:50] <leveldoc> warty
[12:50] <leveldoc> installed it yesterday
[12:51] <CarlK> iv done both, but havn't really used the hoary box for anything but firefox
[12:51] <leveldoc> and I am very excited about it, as I have seen a lot of distros over the years but ubuntu seems to top them all - so far. :-)
[12:52] <CarlK> my gf uses the warty box - so far the only problem is sound: playing a wav file loops forever
[12:52] <leveldoc> there are *some* issues regarding being able to install packages; for example, I've added the repositories described in the WIKI to be able to playback MP3s, etc.but sometimes dependency problems arise where I can't seem to make out the problem. :-( For example: I can't install MPlayer.
[12:53] <CarlK> i think xmms installed without any fuss
[12:53] <membreya_> leveldoc: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news.html
[12:53] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone know how to add tags to a flac music file?
[12:54] <CarlK> hey HiddenWolf
[12:54] <CarlK> did you look at the moose pack site?
[12:54] <leveldoc> membreya_: what do you mean?
[12:54] <leveldoc> I planned on installing it via synaptics
[12:54] <membreya_> leveldoc: sometimes things just arent in the repo's :)
[12:55] <leveldoc> :-)
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> CarlK: not yet, why?
[12:55] <CarlK> I think it does what you are looking for
[12:55] <CarlK> http://musepack.net/index.php?pg=pro
[12:56] <CarlK> high quality, supports tags
[12:56] <Trigx300> can anyone help me config my boot loader to add a boot to my hda1
[12:56] <CarlK> don't know if flac does/doesn
[12:56] <leveldoc> ok, well, according to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/ there are repo's that carry it...
[12:56] <png> i have compiled mplayer successfully but my mplayer doesn't now the esd driver..  When I do mplayer -ao help icant see esound..
[12:56] <leveldoc> "You may then install mplayer using: sudo aptitude install mplayer-X=1.0-pre6a-0.0 "
[12:57] <leveldoc> png: I think you need to set certain ./configure options?
[12:59] <png> leveldoc, there is one option like " --disable-esd          disable esd sound support [autodetect] ".. and i didnt use it..
[01:00] <Trigx300> anyone
[01:01] <Trigx300> can some one help me?
[01:01] <CarlK> Trigx300 - what do you currently have?
[01:01] <Trigx300> grub
[01:02] <Trigx300> im on hda2(ubuntu)
[01:02] <CarlK> Trigx300 - does grub run when you boot the box?
[01:02] <CarlK> what is on hda1?
[01:02] <Trigx300> not automaticly
[01:02] <Trigx300> winxp
[01:03] <CarlK> got it... just a sec
[01:03] <CarlK> the answer is in here - ill try to pull it out for you
[01:04] <CarlK> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=10
[01:04] <eXhum3d> hi again. i just installed my ubuntu system but i can't get my soundcard working. and i can't run the command alsaconf: command not found. any suggestions?
[01:05] <CarlK> eXhum3d - what does aplay -l show?
[01:05] <Benuw> Hi folks, how install speedtouch in simple language? What is fgs a repository? I'm not a techie
[01:05] <eXhum3d> CarlK, root@radio:/home/radio # aplay -l
[01:05] <eXhum3d> aplay: device_list:199: no soundcards found...
[01:05] <eXhum3d> root@radio:/home/radio #
[01:05] <elf> helloo
[01:06] <CarlK> Trigx300 - "code listing 4" is very close, only you need to change the root() lines
[01:06] <leveldoc> Benuw: Thompson SpeedTouch DSL Modem?
[01:06] <Benuw> yes
[01:06] <Nermal> lo elf :)
[01:06] <leveldoc> how do you connect to it? USB or Ethernet?
[01:06] <Benuw> usb
[01:06] <leveldoc> ok, wait a sec
[01:07] <eXhum3d> CarlK, what should i do ?
[01:07] <Nermal> Benuw, you'll need the correct firmware
[01:07] <CarlK> Trigx300 - and it is at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:07] <Nermal> to upload to it with modem_run
[01:07] <Nermal> and then some funky ppp config stuff :|
[01:07] <Trigx300> ok thanks
[01:07] <Nermal> my friend got his official ubuntu cds :)
[01:08] <leveldoc> Benuw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1784
[01:08] <leveldoc> HTH
[01:08] <Benuw> ok thanks , i'll try, what's hth?
[01:09] <leveldoc> hope that helps
[01:09] <leveldoc> :-)
[01:09] <CarlK> eXhum3d - there may be a better way, but it won't hurt to figure out what driver to use - this page will help figure that out: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:09] <Benuw> thx
[01:09] <CarlK> Trigx300 - code listing 4, root (hd0,0)
[01:11] <CarlK> Trigx300 - run grub, then the 3 lines in Code Listing 8, only the first line is root (hd0,1)
[01:12] <eXhum3d> CarlK, 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]  (rev 02)
[01:12] <eXhum3d>  what is the driver then? :D
[01:12] <jcoiron> hello
[01:12] <CarlK> eXhum3d - find the alsa link
[01:13] <Nermal> eXhum3d, modprobe snd-ens1371
[01:13] <Nermal> is the alsa driver
[01:13] <sirukin> oy zeedo
[01:13] <HiddenWolf> CarlK: easytag looks promising
[01:13] <eXhum3d> Nermal, ok, did that. any way to see if its already installed?
[01:13] <Nermal> lsmod
[01:13] <Nermal> will show you if the module is loaded
[01:13] <Nermal> dmesg should give you some info at the bottom
[01:13] <eXhum3d> ok its loaded
[01:13] <eXhum3d> what about now ?
[01:14] <Nermal> last dmesg output ?
[01:14] <CarlK> eXhum3d - aplay -l
[01:14] <eXhum3d> aplay -l shows nothing yet
[01:14] <Nermal> speakers on ?
[01:14] <Nermal> mixer levels ok ? :)
[01:14] <eXhum3d> AC'97 0 does not respond - RESET
[01:14] <eXhum3d> codec read timeout (final) at 0xb814, reg = 0x7c [0x0]
[01:14] <eXhum3d> codec read timeout (final) at 0xb814, reg = 0x7e [0x0]
[01:14] <eXhum3d> AC'97 0 access is not valid [0x0] , removing mixer.
[01:14] <eXhum3d> ENS1371: probe of 0000:00:0b.0 failed with error -5
[01:14] <eXhum3d> i guess this is not good
[01:14] <eXhum3d> (at dmesg)
[01:14] <elf> hey room
[01:15] <elf> what media player do you guys suggest?
[01:15] <robodex> lol it's awesome when I get "You have spyware" spam now :D
[01:15] <pdr> gxine
[01:15] <Amaranth> elf: Totem for most things, mplayer and gxine for the few things totem won't play
[01:15] <eXhum3d> CarlK, Nermal, any suggestions ?
[01:15] <elf> ok cool
[01:15] <Nermal> elf, for which media ?
[01:15] <elf> general
[01:16] <Nermal> eXhum3d, boot with pci=noacpi ?
[01:16] <elf> totem does not play everything as well as xmms
[01:16] <pdr> mplayer is also good (but evil too.. long story)
[01:16] <jcoiron> I would like to thanks Ubuntu community for the CDs I received... I was quite impressed by the quality of them (it's beeing distributed to friends and collegues, choosing carefully some personnes who _will_ give it a try :) )
[01:16] <Nermal> beep-media-player ?
[01:16] <Amaranth> elf: Oh, there really isn't any all-in-one player.
[01:16] <Nermal> jcoiron, aye.. nice aren't they :)
[01:16] <elf> well im using VLC and its ok but its got its bugs
[01:16] <Amaranth> Totem comes closest since it can have playlists but generally you have a music player and a video player.
[01:16] <Nermal> mplayer will play just about anything with w32codecs installed
[01:17] <zeedo> sirukin: :)
[01:17] <CarlK> bah.. mplayer plays like all you ever read
[01:17] <eXhum3d> Nermal, what do you mean with the pci=noacpi ? how can i do that ?
[01:17] <elf> where do i get mplayer?
[01:18] <CarlK> eXhum3d - that page is about all I have to offer - the only reason I know anything about sound is becasue last week i dug aruond enough to get it working on my box
[01:18] <Elsidox> elf, mplayer is fugly
[01:18] <elf> lol ok
[01:18] <elf> what then...
[01:18] <Trigx300> CarlK -how can i get a list of the hd..,.. with their names so i know how to config grub?
[01:18] <Elsidox> =)
[01:18] <Nermal> elf, totem should be installed
[01:18] <elf> it is
[01:19] <Elsidox> elf,  what are you trying to play?
[01:19] <elf> but it doesnt play everything
[01:19] <CarlK> Trigx300 - (hdD,P) D=drive, P=partition, both start at 0
[01:19] <Nermal> well... define everything
[01:19] <Nermal> it doesn't have a wax cylinder plugin no
[01:19] <elf> some of my cds that i copied onto pc in win
[01:19] <Nermal> oh god
[01:19] <Nermal> wma files ?
[01:19] <elf> lol
[01:19] <Lathiat> Anyone knwo why icons for my firewire disk, etc, wont appear in computer -- but if i double click the cdrom and it fails to mount then they appear (every time, latest hoary)
[01:19] <Elsidox> elf, are they .wma files?
[01:19] <elf> yeah i guess
[01:19] <Nermal> FOOL
[01:19] <Elsidox> lol
[01:19] <Nermal> for starters
[01:19] <Trigx300> thanks
[01:19] <elf> lol
[01:20] <Nermal> use mplayer and w32codecs
[01:20] <elf> VLC plays them
[01:20] <Nermal> hmm
[01:20] <elf> but vlc has bugs
[01:20] <Elsidox> so does mplayer
[01:20] <Nermal> and windows media player doesn't ? :)
[01:20] <elf> lol good point
[01:20] <Nermal> I think I'd rather listen to the sound of a player refusing to play a wma file than the file itself
[01:20] <elf> and gxine...hows that?
[01:21] <Nermal> umm... ok I guess
[01:21] <Nermal> more of a video player
[01:21] <elf> ok
[01:21] <Nermal> xmms / beep and rhythmbox are the most popular gnome ones
[01:21] <elf> where do i get w32 codecs
[01:21] <elf> ok
[01:21] <elf> hows beep?
[01:21] <Nermal> umm.. its in apt but has a v next to it :|
[01:21] <Vjaz> xmms and beep aren't gnome players
[01:21] <Nermal> Vjaz, I know
[01:21] <Nermal> beep is a gtk2 version of xmms
[01:22] <Nermal> basically :|
[01:22] <Vjaz> yeah
[01:22] <elf> ok
[01:22] <Nermal> so you get antialiased fonts and all that jazz
[01:22] <Vjaz> what do they even use gtk for? the settings window?
[01:22] <Nermal> pardon the pun
[01:22] <elf> which is better...kde or gnome?
[01:22] <Vjaz> the gui is basically a hack
[01:22] <Nermal> elf, both have their merits :)
[01:22] <Vjaz> elf: on what premises?
[01:22] <Nermal> kde is good for filling up disk space
[01:22] <elf> ok usability
[01:22] <Nermal> ah
[01:22] <Lathiat> Nermal: heh
[01:22] <Vjaz> elf: gnome
[01:22] <elf> i used kde on mandrake when i had it
[01:22] <Vjaz> my bad opinion
[01:23] <Nermal> gnome was lagging behind kde for a while but it's come a long way in the last couple of years
[01:23] <elf> yeah i guess kde did have a lot of graphics and shit
[01:23] <Nermal> I prefer gnome tbh
[01:23] <Nermal> but i know people who prefer kde..
[01:23] <Elsidox> can someone help me? I cant play mp3s or any other media anymore. I use to be able to but after i started up my comp today I cant anymore.
[01:23] <Nermal> or maybe, a person..
[01:24] <Vjaz> Elsidox: what happens when you try playing media?
[01:24] <ZorroBytes> Hi. I'm trying to setup a printer at work, but cups is complaining with this error: PCL-XL-Printer.ppd - No such file or directory!
[01:24] <elf> the thing is on kde i got all these cool proggies
[01:24] <Elsidox> Vjaz, i get a cant open media for writing error
[01:24] <ZorroBytes> Anyone have any idea what package I need to install to get this ppd?
[01:25] <elf> it took me foreva to find a cdburner on gnome and when i did it was a kde program
[01:25] <Elsidox> elf, gnomebakers pretty good =)
[01:25] <Vjaz> Elsidox: which app are you using?
[01:25] <Nermal> elf, aye.. it's well hidden.. you just have to put a blank cd in
[01:25] <Nermal> or goto burn:/// in nautilus
[01:26] <Elsidox> Vjaz,  munie, but I cant play in other players also.
[01:26] <Trigx300> CarlK - in the grub file it says that ubuntu is Hd0,1 but its hda2 how does that work?
[01:26] <Vjaz> Elsidox: ok, sounds odd... do you get any sound in the interface?
[01:27] <thenuke> Trigx300: Hd0,0 would be hda1 then?
[01:27] <Elsidox> Vjaz, yes. I hear the drumb noise and the startup sound
[01:27] <elf> lol...gnomebaker wasnt working and i was trying to make an audio cd and k3b is so much simpler to use...
[01:27] <elf> whats the differance between xine and gstreamer?
[01:27] <Vjaz> Elsidox: ok... I'm guessing it has to be a problem with gstreamer... you might want to reinstall it with apt-get install --reinstall gstreamer
[01:28] <Trigx300> oh, ok thanks
[01:28] <Vjaz> elf: well, they're different libraries... they mostly serve the same purpose
[01:28] <Elsidox> Vjaz, already tryed =) and still no luck
[01:28] <krism> anybody know a 'japanese language tutor' program for linux? romaji at first, but kanji would be nice too
[01:28] <Vjaz> elf: xine supports stuff like DVD's better I think
[01:28] <elf> because totem comes as gstreamer or xine which is better?
[01:28] <Vjaz> elf: gstreamer is fine for open stuff at least
[01:28] <elf> ok
[01:29] <Vjaz> elf: I think gstreamer got DVD support only recently... not sure if it works too well
[01:30] <elf> ok
[01:30] <Vjaz> Elsidox: wow... that's really odd
[01:30] <Vjaz> elf:  my impression is that most people use totem-xine
[01:31] <Elsidox> Vjaz, =( ya
[01:31] <Vjaz> elf: it supports more formats out of the box, so it's easier to setup
[01:31] <elf> ok
[01:31] <elf> so u recommend it?
[01:31] <Amaranth> No!
[01:31] <elf> why not?
[01:31] <Amaranth> elf: Just enable universe and install gstreamer-plugins.
[01:32] <Amaranth> After I did that I only had one thing that would play in xine and not in totem.
[01:32] <Vjaz> elf: not sure... I use gstreamer at the moment, but then again, I don't have it setup for playing any propietary stuff
[01:32] <elf> ok
[01:32] <Vjaz> Amaranth: will gstreamer-plugins enable support for stuff like WMV and QuickTime? Don't they need w32codecs or something?
[01:32] <Trigx300> does anyone know what the window browser is called (not firefox)
[01:33] <Vjaz> Trigx300: the window browser?
[01:33] <Amaranth> Vjaz: Those don't play well anywhere.
[01:34] <Trigx300> yeah like when i open home
[01:34] <Amaranth> older versions of WMV play without windows codecs but WMV3 needs it
[01:34] <Trigx300> i need to browse my files with root access
[01:34] <Amaranth> quicktime i've never gotten to play in gxine, gmplayer, or totem-gstreamer
[01:35] <Amaranth> wait, mplayer did kind of work
[01:35] <elf> where do i get the codecs
[01:35] <Vjaz> Amaranth: well xine kind of plays them
[01:35] <Vjaz> Amaranth: depends on the quicktime version I guess
[01:35] <Amaranth> elf: You have to download them off the mplayer website and manually set them up (copy them to the correct folder)
[01:35] <Trigx300> oh never mind i got it
[01:35] <elf> ok
[01:36] <Nermal> yay
[01:36] <Nermal> f-spot 0.0.9 is alread in apt :D
[01:36] <Vjaz> Hoary?
[01:36] <Nermal> Trigx300, nautilus
[01:36] <Nermal> Vjaz, yeah
[01:37] <Trigx300> yeah i got it thanks
[01:37] <Vjaz> Universe or something? That's nice.
[01:37] <Nermal> Section: universe/gnome
[01:37] <ZorroBytes> Solved it. Have to log a bug.
[01:37] <Vjaz> Ok.
[01:37] <Trigx300> if im not back soon its kuz i mesed up my boot loader
[01:38] <Nermal> enjoy :)
[01:38] <Trigx300> :)
[01:38] <sleeper> i want see photos whitout open all what program can i use?
[01:38] <Nermal> nautilus ?
[01:38] <Vjaz> Nermal: Does it work well already? I understand it's still alpha state software.
[01:38] <membreya_> it gives thumbnails :)
[01:38] <Nermal> i last tried it on 0.0.6
[01:38] <lunitik> sleeper: nautilus uses eog... or you can use gthumb
[01:39] <Nermal> and it seemed ok, a little rough though (to be expected)
[01:39] <lunitik> (eye of gnome)
[01:39] <Nermal> beagle is quite neat :)
[01:39] <sleeper> thx
[01:39] <lunitik> Nermal: f-spot's devel even says "don't use this, its not stable"...
[01:39] <Nermal> I just want to try it out
[01:40] <Nermal> see what it's like
[01:40] <Nermal> the 0.0.6 thing is warning enough
[01:40] <Vjaz> Nermal: It will *destroy* all your files!
[01:40] <Nermal> lunitik, because respected people like miguel are all climaxing over it
[01:40] <lunitik> Nermal: so you have to also?
[01:40] <Nermal> and it's got novell pushing it
[01:40] <Amaranth> lunitik: Explain why it's crap.
[01:40] <Vjaz> Nermal: And it will sell you as a slave to a Bulgarian business man!
[01:40] <Nermal> lunitik, I'm not installing it because it's a mono app
[01:40] <lunitik> Nermal: so use NLD?
[01:40] <Amaranth> lunitik: Have you ever used it?
[01:41] <Nermal> personally I don't like mono that much
[01:41] <lunitik> Amaranth: it sucks up memory...
[01:41] <Nermal> lunitik, line of thought please ?
[01:41] <Amaranth> lunitik: Not as much as you'd think. Not to mention that 1.1.x is even better about it.
[01:41] <Nermal> I would be using NLD if I still worked for them :P
[01:41] <lunitik> Amaranth: neither are good though.
[01:42] <topyli> Elsidox: hey, gnomebaker does loog pretty good! thanks, i'd never heard of it :)
[01:42] <membreya_> damn you people and your acronyms
[01:42] <lunitik> Nermal: they let you download and use it for free  :/
[01:42] <Amaranth> lunitik: Why do you use GNOME then?
[01:42] <membreya_> and last time I heard...mono was a VD :P
[01:42] <Amaranth> lunitik: Why do you use X at all?
[01:42] <lunitik> Amaranth: because the C apps are fast
[01:42] <Amaranth> lunitik: They suck up a lot of memory.
[01:42] <flosch> hi
[01:42] <Nermal> Unhandled Exception: System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for Gnome.Vfs.Vfs
[01:42] <Nermal> wheeeee
[01:42] <Nermal> :D
[01:42] <lunitik> Amaranth: about a 20th of what Mono uses for the same function
[01:42] <membreya_> hi flosch :)
[01:43] <flosch> :)
[01:43] <lunitik> Amaranth: and thats going by stats *mono* people posted.
[01:43] <Amaranth> Mono adds maybe 5-10MB of memory usage. More then worth it for me as a programmer. The thought of writing a program once and having it work on OS X, Linux, and Windows makes it worth it.
[01:44] <Nermal> Amaranth, whats wrong with java ? :)
[01:44] <sleeper> what anti-spyware and virus scan can i use?
[01:44] <Nermal> sleeper, none
[01:44] <Nermal> you don't need it
[01:44] <lunitik> Amaranth: it won't though... you have to port at least a small part.
[01:44] <Vjaz> lunitik: You can't say that Gnome uses a 20th of what Mono uses for the same function because they're totally different things.
[01:44] <Tomcat_> Nermal: Java needs like... 100 MB when you start it with Hello World :D
[01:44] <membreya_> about the furthest I ever got with programming was to write a java applet that said Hi World :D
[01:44] <Nermal> :D
[01:44] <Amaranth> lunitik: No you don't. As long as you don't use P/Invoke you're fine.
[01:44] <sleeper> yes i need
[01:44] <Nermal> java is pretty evil :|
[01:44] <Nermal> sleeper, you don't
[01:44] <Tomcat_> I'm a Java fan though :o
[01:44] <lunitik> Vjaz: sure... but I can say C uses about a 20th of what C# does.
[01:45] <membreya_> sleeper: AFAIK there's no viruses or spyware for linux ;)
[01:45] <Nermal> there are a couple of viruses I think
[01:45] <Amaranth> Nermal: Java isn't Free and is slower.
[01:45] <Nermal> only a couple though
[01:45] <Nermal> Amaranth, blackdown ?
[01:45] <Vjaz> lunitik: well you can say that... but if you run 20 programs, the gap becomes a lot smaller
[01:45] <sleeper> mi computer sid me: your computer infected by w32.hllp.spreda.b.spy v2.016
[01:45] <Amaranth> Nermal: Not Free. That's just a packaged version of the official Sun Java.
[01:45] <Nermal> ah
[01:46] <Nermal> sleeper, w32 = windows 32
[01:46] <Nermal> not linux
[01:46] <membreya_> exactly :)
[01:46] <sleeper> password-stealin virus
[01:46] <membreya_> beat me to it Nermal ! >:(
[01:46] <Nermal> sleeper, stand up, your voice is muffled :)
[01:46] <Elsidox> topyli, gnomefiles.com has achive of LOTS of great gnome apps.
[01:46] <Amaranth> afaik the only real virus for linux that wasn't a proof of concept was a java exploit
[01:47] <Elsidox> topyli, woops gnomefiles.org
[01:47] <topyli> Elsidox: yeah, i've stumbled on gnomefiles once or twice
[01:47] <membreya_> I love proof of concepts
[01:47] <membreya_> it's how the first s60 viruses was displayed :)
[01:47] <Elsidox> topyli, great site =)
[01:47] <Amaranth> lunitik: Well, GTK is made by the same folks.
[01:47] <Elsidox> i still cant play mp3s or anything eles. I use to be able to.