[04:24] <Kilos> morning za peeps
[04:34] <anton_may> Hello
[04:35] <Kilos> early bird hey anton_may
[04:35] <anton_may> yip usually in at the office around 6'ish
[04:35] <Kilos> wow
[04:37] <anton_may> took me 3 hours to get home last night
[04:37] <Kilos> traffic?
[04:37] <anton_may> yip and the rain didn't help either
[04:38] <Kilos> what time is hometime
[04:39] <anton_may> 4
[04:39] <Kilos> ouch long days
[04:40] <anton_may> well probably would in later if i lived closer, but hey, these days work is work
[04:40] <Kilos> yip
[04:40] <anton_may> McD's food might not be the healthiest, but their coffe is top notch
[04:41] <Kilos> lol
[04:42] <Kilos> wake up superfly or youll miss your stop
[04:53] <Kilos> for once the weather liar got it right, 47mm so far since last night
[04:53] <Kilos> inetpro ^^
[05:00] <anton_may> yip still raining here by me as well
[05:57] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[05:58] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy
[05:58] <Kilos> oh ye with wonderful net speed
[05:59] <thatgraemeguy> :D
[06:09] <unlaudable> morning... what clients do you guys use for irc?
[06:09] <unlaudable> you seen this privmsg bug?
[06:09] <Kilos> depends on your system
[06:09] <Kilos> xchat and hexchat
[06:10] <Kilos> i use Konversation on kubuntu
[06:10] <unlaudable> well your client anyway...  apparently hexchat isnt affected
[06:10] <Kilos> nope seen no bug here
[06:11] <unlaudable> xchat however... time to change...
[06:12] <unlaudable> been wanting to mention this for ages...
[06:12] <unlaudable> git clone -depth 1
[06:12] <unlaudable> leant about that a week or 2 ago
[06:12] <unlaudable> learnt
[06:12] <unlaudable> learned?
[06:12] <Kilos> what does it do
[06:16] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:17] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[06:22] <dlPhreak> Good mawning
[06:22] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak
[06:23] <unlaudable> Kilos, Create a shallow clone with a history truncated to the specified number of revisions.
[06:23] <unlaudable> makes it a lot easier to clone projects that have a lot of history
[06:24] <Kilos> ok
[06:24] <unlaudable> like trying to clone  6 Gb of Zimbra source code
[06:24] <unlaudable> most of it is actually git history ...
[06:25] <Kilos> thats for you clever guys
[06:25] <Kilos> i am an irc greeter bot
[06:25] <dlPhreak> Kilos, unlaudable Cryterion
[06:29] <unlaudable> heheh
[07:08] <dlPhreak> Anybody use telegram?
[07:11] <magespawn> good morning
[07:19] <dlPhreak> Morning magespawn
[07:24] <anton_may> i do
[07:24] <anton_may> morning megaspawn
[07:25] <magespawn> how is everyone? we had some awesome rain here last night
[07:25] <dlPhreak> I just got it yesterday. Don't know why I haven't heard of it earlier.
[07:25] <dlPhreak> Pretty good thanks, magespawn, yourself?
[07:25] <anton_may> Yea, awesome rain last night, well the whole night through
[07:26] <dlPhreak> I've been looking for something to replace skype with because of the damn awful linux client.
[07:26] <anton_may> what, you only heard of telegram yesterday?
[07:26] <magespawn> good, thanks, nice cool day
[07:26] <anton_may> got Nagios to send to notifications via telegram
[07:26] <inetpro> Kilos: 70mm by me
[07:26] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[07:26] <dlPhreak> Yeah and apparently it's quite big.
[07:27] <anton_may> ****Thats what she said****
[07:27] <dlPhreak> lmao
[07:28] <magespawn> anton_may: so your nagios install logs into telegram then send you a message?
[07:28] <magespawn> anton_may: hah
[07:28] <anton_may> yip
[07:29] <magespawn> does the nagios have its own account or does it use a real persons?
[07:29] <anton_may> From telegram desktop - PROBLEM Host : archive-pr - Service : Total Processes is WARNING @ Thu Mar 10 08:49:30 SAST 2016
[07:29] <dlPhreak> @dl_phreak if anyone wants to add :)
[07:29] <anton_may> you can use an exsisting acc or get a new sim card and register it
[07:30] <magespawn> nice, you could then have it update a group too
[07:30] <magespawn> anton_may: i assume the sim card is for registration only
[07:30] <anton_may> yeah
[07:31] <magespawn> there is a mikrotik router 411u that takes a sim card i think, so you could have the nagios server connect via that to send the message incase of fixed lines being down
[07:31] <Kilos> now raining lekker again
[07:32] <Kilos> must be near 50 now
[07:32] <magespawn> anton_may: i like that idea a lot, automatic reporting through a message service
[07:32] <anton_may> no, you connect to a key server the sim is just for registration purpose only
[07:32] <Kilos> dlPhreak telegram rocks
[07:33] <magespawn> anton_may: i was just saying as a back up connection
[07:33] <anton_may> oh ja
[07:33] <anton_may> my backup is our plain sms
[07:33] <dlPhreak> Kilos: just wish I could completely replace skype and whatsapp with it.
[07:33] <anton_may> notifications
[07:33] <magespawn> dlPhreak: added
[07:34] <Kilos> yes i wish they would work on the audio video side
[07:34] <Kilos> i just use skype audio anyway
[07:34] <Kilos> even that eats data
[07:35] <Kilos> hows things my magespawn
[07:36] <dlPhreak> Thanks magespawn \m/
[08:14] <Kilos> hmm... heavy rain, kills connection
[08:16] <anton_may> Yip just pictures from home and the lapa floor is probably foot under water
[08:16] <Kilos> ai!
[08:22] <anton_may> Almost can jump straight from my bed into the pool :D
[08:22] <Kilos> oh my
[08:34] <Kilos> restarting konversation so i can see emoticons
[08:36] <dlPhreak> http://dilbert.com/strip/1999-03-29
[09:14] <Kilos> :D
[09:14] <Kilos> yay i can see them
[09:14] <Kilos> not just text
[09:55] <Xsm> good day everyone
[09:55] <Kilos> hi Xsm
[09:57] <Kilos> this is real rain
[09:58] <Xsm> so it's raining by you, good.
[09:58] <Kilos> just 3 to 4 months late
[10:00] <anton_may> You guys know the rsync on steroids command?
[10:00] <Kilos> nope
[10:01] <Kilos> what do steroids help? rsync works well
[10:02] <anton_may> copied 34 gigs at ave rate of 63MB/s
[10:02] <anton_may> usb3
[10:02] <Kilos> thats good
[10:03] <anton_may> rsync -aHAXxv --numeric-ids --delete --progress -e "ssh -T -c arcfour -o Compression=no -x" SOURCE DESTINATION
[10:05] <Xsm> heya chesedo
[10:05] <Xsm> hey anton_may
[10:05] <anton_may> 'Lo Xsm
[10:06] <chesedo> hi Xsm
[10:07] <chesedo> anton_may: why do those flags put it in steroids?
[10:13] <anton_may> I haven't really went into depth in all the options, I just found it on the net and been using for when need to copy big files over servers
[10:14] <anton_may> https://gist.github.com/KartikTalwar/4393116
[10:21] <chesedo> seems to be the ssh options that does it
[10:51] <anton_may> http://xkcd.com/1652/
[11:51] <magespawn> back
[12:06] <Xsm> wb magespawn
[12:07] <magespawn> Xsm how is the server going?
[12:11] <Xsm> Just sat down now again with it, trying to either sort the internet to the internal computers or squid, not sure wich one to do first?
[12:16] <Xsm> Any suggestions magespawn?
[13:07] <unlaudable> anton_may, have you seen the rsync zfs stuff?
[13:09] <unlaudable> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/rsync-net-zfs-replication-to-the-cloud-is-finally-here-and-its-fast/
[13:28] <magespawn> Xsm sorry had to run out for a second there
[13:28] <magespawn> maybe the internet to the internal computers
[13:38] <Xsm> That is what I was thinking magespawn, good idea lol
[13:48] <Xsm> magespawn: the internal computers will be windows pc's. And if my current setup is like this http://bin.snyman.info/mmm8dxbf  then what would I use as a gateway? <IP_ADDRESS>?
[13:48] <Xsm> The internal computers will be on <IP_ADDRESS>/30 range.
[13:55] <magespawn> i think they would need to use the ip of p5p1 so <IP_ADDRESS>, computers cannot communicate outside their address range without a router telling them where to go
[13:56] <Xsm> Ip yes but gateway?
[13:56] <magespawn> <IP_ADDRESS> wil then pass the traffic to <IP_ADDRESS> and then onto <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:56] <magespawn> i think if the gateway is the internet gateway that will bypass squid
[13:57] <Xsm> okay that is what I thought, so the next question is what is stopping it? Firewall, squid, or network or dns-servers.
[14:02] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmz38u3  current interfaces file.
[14:04] <magespawn> you can get to the net from the server?
[14:05] <Xsm> I am on it currently.
[14:05] <Xsm> Yes
[14:05] <magespawn> but not from the windows computer?
[14:05] <Xsm> yes
[14:06] <magespawn> do they have a valid ip address from the server?
[14:07] <Xsm> http://bin.snyman.info/mmm8dxbf <--- server with two network cards, <IP_ADDRESS> to router and internet and then 10.0.01 to internal computers.
[14:08] <magespawn> the computers on the inside of the server network, the windows computers, do they have a valid ip address from the serrver?
[14:08] <Xsm> I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> from the windows pc (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[14:08] <Xsm> all static
[14:09] <Xsm> dedicated ip's
[14:09] <magespawn> is the gateway set on the windows pc as <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:09] <magespawn> ?
[14:12] <Xsm> yes
[14:12] <Xsm> I have just done that.
[14:13] <Xsm> What would the dns be made too, also <IP_ADDRESS> or something else?
[14:14] <Kilos> not <IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:15]  * Kilos guseeing
[14:15] <Kilos> guessing
[14:19] <magespawn> if the dns is set to the server that has to be able to pass that to internal network, you need a dns server running on the server machine
[14:20] <Kilos> ai!
[14:20] <Kilos> too much head work these things
[14:20] <Kilos> Xsm <magespawn> if the dns is set to the server that has to be able to pass that to internal network, you need a dns server running on the server machine
[14:20] <inetpro> unlaudable: thanks for sharing the above zfs awesomeness
[14:21] <Kilos> you tried it inetpro
[14:21] <Kilos> i couldnt figure out how to make that work here
[14:21] <inetpro> Kilos: no, I'm not on ZFS yet
[14:21] <Kilos> oh
[14:21] <inetpro> can't wait though
[14:22] <Kilos> wait i missed something
[14:22] <Kilos> oh ok
[14:22] <Kilos> i dont even look at cloud stuff
[14:22] <inetpro> wish I could lookup when I first started using rsync... think I was right there in the early days
[14:23] <inetpro> ai!
[14:23] <Kilos> so the rsync we use for backups wont change for the better
[14:24] <Kilos> i cant add some awesome magic in it to make it faster
[14:24] <inetpro> oom Kilos, rsync is history when you have ZFS in place of EXT
[14:24] <Kilos> oh my
[14:25] <Kilos> spose i better read some
[14:25] <Kilos> how many months have i got
[14:25] <inetpro> as much as you want
[14:25] <inetpro> or as little as you want
[14:25] <Kilos> and rsync wont disappear
[14:26] <Kilos> its one of the things i remember without having to hunt for a how to
[14:27] <inetpro> there's a new kid on the block, and he's only been around for a few years
[14:27] <Kilos> oh my
[14:27] <Kilos> in place of ext4 you mean
[14:28] <Kilos> z filing system
[14:28] <Kilos> ai!
[14:29] <magespawn> inetpro: this is the first i hear of ZFS
[14:29]  * magespawn goes to do some reading
[14:29] <inetpro> magespawn: you will hear much more about ZFS soon
[14:30] <inetpro> s/hear/see/
[14:30] <Kilos> ai!
[14:30] <inetpro> 16.04 LTS apparently is introducing ZFS on Ubuntu
[14:30] <Kilos> so inetpro what are its advantages
[14:31] <Kilos> ok then i have time till i install 16.04
[14:32] <inetpro> http://dtrace.org/blogs/ahl/2016/03/07/big-news-for-zfs-on-linux/
[14:33] <inetpro> I'm not get all that excited about it just yet, rather wait and see
[14:34] <Kilos> ja
[14:34] <inetpro> when Solaris was still built by Sun Microsystems I was already excited about it but...
[14:35] <Kilos> we arent all that old
[14:35] <inetpro> unfortunately we may still see a few issues play out in a licensing war
[14:35] <Kilos> ai!
[14:37] <Kilos> daai nuwe ou het nie weer kom se of daai webbook werk nie
[14:38] <magespawn> home time for me, chat later all
[14:38] <Kilos> cheers magespawn
[14:39] <Kilos> what broke
[14:40] <Xsm> had a huge storm, power broke lol
[14:40] <Kilos> lol
[14:40] <Xsm> I am sure magespawn is driving home now.
[14:40] <Kilos> inetpro we totalled 65mm and you were past that at 7am
[14:41] <Kilos> yes he just left boy
[14:41] <Xsm> okay, no problem I will get him when he comes back
[14:44] <Kilos> he will be back just now
[14:45] <Kilos> so if i understand the setup there the win pcs must use the server as a dns and then the server must forward them to the internet
[14:45] <Kilos> how much hair have you got left
[14:47] <Xsm> yes correct
[14:47] <Xsm> I shaved it before I started lol
[14:49] <Kilos> lol
[14:49] <Kilos> ok so from win pc do
[14:49] <Kilos> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:49] <Kilos> there lotsa commands
[14:50] <Kilos> i forgot them
[14:50] <Kilos> traceroute and tracepath
[14:56] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[14:57] <Kilos> Xsm you here??
[14:58] <Xsm> Okay, I can ping the <IP_ADDRESS> of the p5p1 internal network card and the <IP_ADDRESS> external network card (from the <IP_ADDRESS> internal windows pc) but cannot ping <IP_ADDRESS> and cannot ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:58] <Kilos> so its between ext card and internet
[14:58] <Kilos> or router
[14:59] <Kilos> try traceroute
[14:59] <Kilos> you will need to read man traceroute to understand what it says
[14:59] <Xsm> no
[14:59] <Xsm> oh yes sorry
[14:59] <Xsm> well, external card, router, internet!
[14:59] <Kilos> and tracepath
[14:59] <Xsm> okay
[15:00] <Xsm> going to google
[15:00] <Kilos> there are man pages
[15:01] <Kilos> can you ping the router
[15:01] <Kilos> i dunno if that works
[15:02] <Kilos> you are going through the router to get here
[15:02] <Kilos> so imo could be some settings for external card needed
[15:03] <Xsm> no
[15:03] <Xsm> <IP_ADDRESS> is the router
[15:04] <Kilos> ai!
[15:04] <Xsm> yes on and with  the server.
[15:05] <Kilos> tracepath i think tells you which jump doesnt work
[15:06] <inetpro> Kilos: when you have time, look at http://www.ipfire.org/
[15:07] <chesedo> Xsm: have you setup iptables masquerading yet?
[15:07] <chesedo> you will need that for the internals to reac the net
[15:07] <chesedo> *reach
[15:07] <Kilos> looking inetpro
[15:07] <inetpro> not sure whether it is any good but looks interesting
[15:08] <inetpro> perhaps something for that boy of yours
[15:09] <Kilos> he is using arno
[15:09] <Kilos> arno-iptables-firewall i think its called
[15:10] <Kilos> if i tell him to change then superfly will get
[15:10] <Kilos> um
[15:10] <Kilos> hogwashed with me
[15:10] <Kilos> hehe
[15:11]  * Kilos hides
[15:11] <Xsm> no I haven't chesedo
[15:11] <Xsm> ah okay
[15:11] <Xsm> it does look interesting thank you inetpro
[15:11] <Xsm> Will look closer, later.
[15:11] <Kilos> do the masg stuff
[15:12] <chesedo> arno? have never heard of it... goes to look
[15:12] <Kilos> i had to do it back then
[15:12] <Kilos> dns masg
[15:12] <Kilos> masq
[15:12] <inetpro> the CD image is a mere 159 MB
[15:13] <inetpro> the ipfire iso*
[15:13] <Kilos> thats just for a firewall??
[15:13] <Kilos> whats wrong with gufw
[15:13] <inetpro> ai!
[15:14] <Kilos> wat ai! jy nou weer
[15:14] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan lees oom
[15:14] <Kilos> ok
[15:15] <Xsm> de with you now, someone at the door
[15:15] <Xsm> be
[15:15] <Kilos> ok
[15:16] <chesedo> that arno thing seems to be a firewall only
[15:17] <chesedo> although there is a custom rules file...
[15:17]  * chesedo hopes someone here knows it
[15:17] <Kilos> fly
[15:18] <Kilos> inetpro too much to read man
[15:18] <Kilos> is it an OS
[15:18] <Kilos> or what
[15:20] <chesedo> Xsm: here is a reference of my setup http://bin.snyman.info/mmm7jwbg
[15:32] <Xsm> ty chesedo
[15:40] <Kilos> ai!
[16:01] <Xsm> stupid modem
[16:01] <chesedo> lol
[16:06] <Xsm> chesedo: you still here
[16:36] <Kilos> wb
[16:36] <Xsm> ty
[16:50] <Xsm> hey pavlushka
[16:51] <pavlushka> Xsm, Hi
[16:51] <pavlushka> Xsm, Testing Xubuntu while i was away.
[16:52] <pavlushka> Xsm, A lot of bug gonna be reported, I guess.
[16:52] <pavlushka> Xsm, A lot of bugs gonna be reported, I guess.
[16:53] <pavlushka> Kilos, o/
[16:53] <Xsm> pavlushka: I normally work with kubuntu or kde for short.
[16:54] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[16:54] <pavlushka> Xsm, ya, I've tested that too for own curiosity
[16:55] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:55] <pavlushka> but this time its a project.
[16:56] <pavlushka> Kilos, eat for me too.
[16:56] <Xsm> for yourself or with others?
[16:56] <Kilos> lol ok
[16:56] <pavlushka> #xubuntu-devel?
[17:12] <chesedo> Xsm: sort of... how you going along?
[17:29] <Kilos> hi Cryterion
[17:29] <Kilos> superfly no comments even?
[17:30] <Kilos> how do i tease you if you dont even see what i say hey
[17:30] <Cryterion> hi
[17:45] <Kilos> what is this netflix all about
[17:53] <Kilos> wb unlaudable
[17:54] <Sxuza> hey Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> have you joined us yet
[17:54] <Kilos> hi Sxuza and you
[17:54] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[17:56] <Kilos> ive lost track of who i have already got to join us
[17:56] <Sxuza> i havent
[17:56] <Kilos> please do
[17:57] <Sxuza> i hope it doesnt matter , the fact that i still havnt learnt how to use Ubuntu
[17:57] <Sxuza> but will soon
[17:57] <Kilos> nope
[17:57] <Sxuza> im doing my registration
[17:57] <Kilos> you are here
[17:57] <Kilos> registration for?
[17:57] <Sxuza> on the website
[17:57] <Sxuza> launchpad
[17:58] <Sxuza> i thought u were asking me to register
[17:58] <Kilos> at launchpad
[17:58] <Kilos> that is where all locos keep their records of membership to the loco
[17:59] <Kilos> on the site you can join our mailing list
[18:00] <Sxuza> o ok , well ive just validated and am all good with the account
[18:00] <Kilos> well done
[18:01] <Kilos> did you ggo to launchpad from the site?
[18:01] <Sxuza> from the link  u posted earlier
[18:02] <Kilos> yes
[18:02] <Kilos> there is a join this team button
[18:02] <Sxuza> ok lemme check it out
[18:05] <Sxuza> nope i dont c tht
[18:05] <Kilos> lemme check
[18:05] <Kilos> you see 82 active members
[18:06] <Kilos> nearn there should be a join this team goodie
[18:06] <Kilos> near
[18:06] <Sxuza> i saw that ealier
[18:07] <Sxuza> but now im only on the login front page
[18:07] <Sxuza> and there's nothing to lead me to any other page
[18:07] <Sxuza> except for ......
[18:07] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[18:07] <Kilos> are you on this link
[18:07] <Sxuza> now i see it
[18:12] <Sxuza> Kilos : do u know anywhere i can find good forums for Lawyers or candidate attorneys , somewhere they discuss LAW
[18:12] <Sxuza> or like IRC
[18:12] <Sxuza> someone here just asked me that qtn
[18:13] <Sxuza> they are doing they atticles and would like a place like "ubuntu" but one that has people discussing LAW issues
[18:13] <Kilos> ill try find out
[18:13] <Sxuza> kewl
[18:13] <magespawn> hello, good evening
[18:14] <Sxuza> hey MemoServ
[18:14] <Sxuza> magespawn
[18:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:14] <Sxuza> damnit
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <Sxuza> why wud i wanna say hi to it
[18:14] <magespawn> tab complete
[18:14] <Sxuza> :P
[18:14] <Kilos> magespawn you missed his question
[18:15] <chesedo> Sxuza: think stackexchange might have one, but it will be more for questions
[18:15] <magespawn> okay, repeat/
[18:15] <Kilos> do u know anywhere i can find good forums for Lawyers or candidate attorneys , somewhere they discuss LAW
[18:15] <magespawn> ?
[18:16] <Sxuza> Stackexchange ?
[18:16] <Kilos> http://techrights.org/irc-channel/
[18:16] <magespawn> there are two blogs/sites that i follow, but it mostly has to do with copyright law in america and europe
[18:16] <Kilos> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/lawofcyberspace/irc2.html
[18:16] <magespawn> Techdirt and a person called Glyn Moody on twitter
[18:20] <chesedo> http://law.stackexchange.com/
[18:20] <chesedo> it is in beta currently
[18:21] <magespawn> https://www.techdirt.com/
[18:22] <magespawn> chesedo: sometimes things stay in beta for a long time
[18:23] <chesedo> magespawn: jip, am (suppose) to help on joomla's which is in its 600th something day
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <chesedo> anyway, night all
[18:24] <magespawn> chesedo: good night
[18:24] <magespawn> boo
[18:24] <Kilos> night chesedo
[18:24] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:29] <magespawn> Xsm how is the server?
[18:30] <Kilos> he is battling to get internal pcs to connect to the net
[18:30] <Kilos> doing that
[18:30] <Kilos> um
[18:30] <Kilos> masq stuff i think
[18:31] <magespawn> there has to be a link between the two network connectors
[18:36] <magespawn> i am not sure how to do that, a network bridge, the inside network has to route the traffic that is allowed to pass through to the outside network
[18:36] <superfly> Kilos: sorry, I've been busy today.
[18:37] <Kilos> np superfly was just teasing you anyway
[18:37] <Kilos> all good there?
[18:37] <magespawn> then the setting of the firewall comes into play
[18:38] <Kilos> all too involved for me
[18:40] <magespawn> it is something i would like to put in place for most of the lodge staff computers
[18:41] <Kilos> yes but is it only manageable with 2 network cards
[18:41] <Kilos> thats where all the hard work comes in
[18:41] <magespawn> the way i understand you can have the proxy server with one card
[18:42] <magespawn> but the you have to put the proxy server into each computer
[18:42] <Kilos> but he is going to do his home one as well and will have it all worked out so then you dont have to battle
[18:42] <Kilos> thats even more work with 20 pcs
[18:45] <magespawn> if you set the proxy on the client computers then they have to check with the proxy server before they go online, you can then control on the proxy what the people can and cannot do
[18:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:45] <magespawn> you lock the client computer by making the people have an ordinary account instead of an adnministrator account
[18:46] <Kilos> well
[18:46] <Kilos> if this thing with 2 dards works and ian has it all recorded then should be easier
[18:47] <Kilos> and net cards arent expensive
[18:47] <magespawn> i think the two seperate networks might give you finer control and maybe more security, but i stand to be corrected on that
[18:48] <superfly> Kilos: ja, good. just had my hands full with DebConf and work
[18:48] <magespawn> superfly: that must be keeping you really busy
[18:49] <superfly> somewhat. I've been fighting django a bit
[18:50] <magespawn> django? what is it not doing?
[18:50] <magespawn> hi Xsm
[18:50] <Xsm> hey magespawn
[18:51] <magespawn> progress?
[18:51] <Xsm> been away for a while
[18:51] <Xsm> looking at it again now
[18:55] <Xsm> magespawn: have you used arno's firewall?
[18:57] <Kilos> is it arnos blocking Xsm
[18:57] <Kilos> and is the routers firewall still working as well
[18:57] <Xsm> I don't know but I must start somewhere. Don't think it is, because if I disable it, then it should work.
[18:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:58] <Xsm> Yeah I was thinking if the router firewall wasn't clashing.
[18:58] <Kilos> have you done the masquerading thing
[18:59] <Xsm> Busy with that but that is in the firewall.
[19:00] <Kilos> i remember i had to run a command to get that working every reboot
[19:00] <Kilos> was a pain
[19:00] <Kilos> useless on a big server
[19:01] <Kilos> neology giving erros and saix is super slow
[19:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:23] <inetpro> wb Symmetria
[19:23] <inetpro> good mornings
[19:23] <inetpro> good mornings everyone as well
[19:24] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[19:24] <Kilos> total 65
[19:24] <Xsm> heya inetpro
[19:24] <Kilos> you had more before breakfast
[19:24] <inetpro> more?
[19:25] <Kilos> you ha 77 before breakfast
[19:25] <inetpro> oh no hang on
[19:25] <Kilos> wake up man
[19:25] <inetpro> sorry oom
[19:25] <Kilos> hhaha
[19:25] <inetpro> had 18 yesterday evening
[19:25] <inetpro> 77 this morning
[19:25] <Kilos> oh
[19:25] <inetpro> and 24 during the day
[19:25] <Kilos> some places in and around ptown had over 100mm
[19:25] <inetpro> so what's that, 112?
[19:26] <Kilos> harties moes hulle sluice oop maak
[19:26] <Kilos> wow
[19:26] <Kilos> we had 65mm total
[19:26]  * inetpro does the rain dance
[19:26] <Kilos> nothing yesterday
[19:26] <Kilos> but everything lekker wet
[19:27] <Xsm> lol
[19:27] <Kilos> bit late for summer crops
[19:27] <Kilos> only cabbage i think still and wheat
[19:28] <inetpro> and I think more rain is coming
[19:28] <magespawn> Xsm: no never
[19:28] <Xsm> very
[19:28] <Xsm> A lot haven't even planted.
[19:28] <Xsm> sunflower and soya too - but soya is on irrigation.
[19:28] <Kilos> soya is summer
[19:28] <Kilos> too late now
[19:29] <Kilos> sunflower as well
[19:29] <Xsm> Only late for the summer crops magespawn, but very much needed.
[19:29] <Xsm> Kruger is flooding again.
[19:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:30] <Kilos> ok i sleep now
[19:30] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:30] <magespawn> sorry, i was talking about the firewall, came in a bit late on that conversation
[19:30] <magespawn> good night Kilos
[19:30] <Kilos> actually Xsm disable all firewalls fo now
[19:31] <Kilos> once you can connect then sort them
[19:31] <Kilos> night
[19:31] <Xsm> ha ha ha magespawn
[19:31] <Xsm> I tried in the router, can't find any trace of that.
[19:34] <magespawn> most routers have firewall, but they usually work on a deny all principle
[19:34] <magespawn> what router do you have?
[19:35] <Xsm> d-link
[19:36] <Xsm> dsl-2750u
[19:37] <magespawn> they run on a version of linux i think, i forget the version of server, one specailly for small embedded systems
[19:38] <unlaudable> joined
[19:41] <magespawn> Xsm: there are other opensource and 3rd party firmware, openwrt and dd-wrt, that can run on routers
[19:41] <magespawn> they give you more options and control
[19:42] <Xsm> I am thinking of uninstalling squid3 for now, and trying to eliminate one for one, what is stopping the internal internet connections.
[19:43] <Xsm> Interesting. I would change my router but not the clients router.
[19:43] <magespawn> this is the software they run http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/raring/man8/micro-httpd.8.html
[19:44] <magespawn> why not change the clients if it possible?
[19:47] <magespawn> i have linksys router that are running dd-wrt, i like them quite a bit
[19:48] <magespawn> s/router/routers
[19:49] <magespawn> any way, keep us up to date, and if there are any questions etc i will try to help
[19:49] <magespawn> bed time for me now, good night all
[21:37] <unlaudable> and today I learned about http://httpbin.org/


[00:00] <wizardslovak> did
[00:00] <wizardslovak> same think
[00:00] <wizardslovak> red videos
[00:01] <wizardslovak> says i need flash player from adobe
[00:02] <Sysi> swfdec installed? what ubuntu version?
[00:02] <wizardslovak> xubuntu 10.10 64bit
[00:03] <wizardslovak> no swfdec
[00:04] <wizardslovak> installed swfdec and it works now
[00:05] <Sysi> swfdec should be other bad free alternative but good if it works
[00:05] <wizardslovak> yea
[00:05] <wizardslovak> thank you
[00:13] <wizardslovak> firefox works
[00:13] <wizardslovak> but chrome doesnt
[00:14] <Sysi> chrome installed from where?
[00:14] <wizardslovak> i used repository i just dissabled flash
[00:16] <Sysi> flash isn't gonna work if you disable it
[00:16] <Sysi> you could try using http://www.youtube.com/html5
[00:18] <wizardslovak> html5
[00:18] <wizardslovak> hmmm
[00:46] <xubuntu416> hello
[00:47] <xubuntu416> I am having trouble with the b43 broadcom drivers...
[09:33] <Aquina> hello everyone!
[10:18] <Xubit> Hi all
[10:19] <Xubit> Is there a way to disable the button-popups or hints in calctool?
[13:29] <Aquina> Sorry, xubit I'm not using that one. Maybe you can find a manpage or something?
[18:18] <bhe> LF help with sound card
[23:29] <surreal7z> hey.... how to change xfwm4 with compiz, not only on start up but that the login screen gets affected also
[23:29] <surreal7z> i done compiz --replace
[23:29] <charlie-tca> The login screen is gdm, it is not affected by the window manager
[23:30] <surreal7z> doh.. ok.... no way to get transparency on it?... maybe differend login screen?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> I don't know of any login manager will allow transparency
[23:31] <surreal7z> ok, thx for info :)


[04:13] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: ping
[04:43] <Pharaoh_Atem> rbasak: I've sent you an email with patches and a plea for help :/
[06:11] <ScottK> tsimonq2: Congratulations on membership.
[06:59] <pitti> Good morning
[06:59] <Unit193> Howdy.
[07:03] <pitti> cjwatson: this is testing PPA + overlay + xenial-proposed; apt's ProblemResolver list in there is rather long (starting with libjsoncpp0v5); supposedly either something in -proposed breaks it or it doesn't have strong enough dependencies; I'll have a closer look
[07:06] <pitti> smb: err no, that sounds really strange; try with -s, shell in, and see what happens in detail?
[07:06] <pitti> roaksoax: are there maybe more entries in the .postinst which do something to rackd.service again? does it get run on install, maybe there's a short-circuit?
[07:07] <pitti> smb: /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC was wrong?? erk; on my system it's a symlink to "Zulu"
[07:07] <pitti> smb: and that's what's in the .deb too
[08:02] <smb> pitti, Yeah its misleading as Zulu has various meanings. But one is UTC
[08:03] <smb> pitti, It was wrong when I used the downloaded image directly with kvm, so I guess something in the generating of it went wrong
[08:04] <smb> pitti, So the link was there as well but the Zulu file was different to what the pkg is installing
[08:31] <pitti> smb: i. e. there's something weird in the cloud image build process?
[08:31] <pitti> smb: seems fine in today's amd64 image at least
[08:32] <smb> pitti, Maybe a one off. It was ok at the start of last week, then broken for about the second half. I had not yet looked again
[08:32] <pitti> smb: oh, wait -- maybe this?
[08:32] <pitti> $ cat /etc/timezone
[08:32] <pitti> Europe/Berlin
[08:32] <pitti> $ ls -l /etc/localtime
[08:32] <pitti> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Feb  5 15:17 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/UTC
[08:32] <pitti> this is indeed inconsistent
[08:32] <pitti> and sounds like some cloud-init bug
[08:32] <smb> Might be a result of cloud-init though
[08:33] <pitti> $ TZ=UTC date
[08:33] <pitti> Mon Feb  8 09:31:39 CET 2016
[08:33] <pitti> ah, yeah
[08:33] <smb> Not sure what is normal there
[08:33] <pitti> that seems to confuse date somehow
[08:33] <pitti> smb: well, /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime should certainly agree
[08:33] <pitti> /etc/timezone is a Debianism
[08:33] <pitti> it should ideally be dropped at some point, as it's redundant with the /etc/localtime link
[08:33] <smb> pitti, I'd check the /usr/hsare/zoneinfo/zulu file
[08:34] <smb> when I looked it was rather largeish and had CET info in (when you check with strings/less
[08:34] <smb> The correct file is only a few bytes iirc
[08:35] <pitti> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 127 Jan 30 00:13 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Zulu
[08:35] <pitti> ^ on my host
[08:35] <pitti> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2335 Feb  7 09:53 /usr/share/zoneinfo/Zulu
[08:35] <pitti> ^ on cloud image
[08:35] <pitti> whoa
[08:35] <smb> pitti, excactly
[08:35] <smb> pitti, and that goes away if one reinstalls tzdata
[08:36] <pitti> smb: indeed, that looks like a grave bug in cloud-init or the image build process
[08:36] <pitti> smb: can you please file that against cloud-init for now and ask utlemming/smoser about it?
[08:36] <smb> pitti, Probably rarely observed, Just that libvirt has a build test that verifies that the time offset of UTC is 0...
[08:37] <smb> pitti, ok will do
[08:37] <pitti> smb: I'm downloading today's cloud init and will dissect it with directly mounting it, to see if it's already broken in the image or at first boot
[08:38] <smb> pitti, ok. awsome
[08:46] <smb> pitti, fyi, I created bug 1543025
[08:48] <seb128> hum, lightdm is getting some reports of package install issues with that error
[08:48] <seb128> "insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm
[08:48] <seb128> insserv: exiting now!
[08:48] <seb128> update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header"
[09:02] <pitti> smb: hm, kpartx is acting up, but the .squashfs is correct
[09:02] <pitti> smb: so for now my gut feeling is cloud-init
[09:03] <seb128> doko, good morning! could you have a look to bug #1542747?
[09:03] <seb128> your multiarch upload changed the plugins location it seems
[09:03] <smb> pitti, Ok, so that sounds like its messed up during the config phase... yes
[09:03] <seb128> the rules had
[09:03] <seb128> "# We specifically do not want multiarch: only one version of MC can be
[09:03] <seb128> # installed anyway, the plugin directory is based on the ${libdir}, and
[09:03] <seb128> # empathy/experimental ships a plugin in the non-multiarch location
[09:03] <seb128> CONFIGURE_FLAGS += --libdir=\$${prefix}/lib"
[09:03] <pitti> l
[09:03] <seb128> it seems like the debian maintainer specifically decided to not multiarch ... shouldn't we do the same?
[09:07] <dholbach> good morning
[09:07] <seb128> hey dholbach!
[09:07] <dholbach> salut seb128
[09:11] <pitti> smb, smoser, utlemming: I think I found the culprit in cloud-init, I updated bug 1543025
[09:12] <smb> pitti, Ah good catch
[09:48] <seb128> hum, is https://errors.ubuntu.com/ loading for others?
[09:49] <seb128> the list stays on loading for a while and returns an error here
[09:49] <pitti> still at "Loading..." here
[09:49] <seb128> oh, loaded this time
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: oh, it loaded now
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, yeah, same here, thanks for testing!
[09:50] <pitti> Mirv: bug 1542239 fixed if you want to check
[09:50] <seb128> pitti, do you know about that "update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header"" that impacts lightdm?
[09:50] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/14b7d70c74b6a386bf9677234a61bb0265f97886
[09:51] <pitti> no, I don't -- what does insserv complain about?
[09:51] <seb128> dunno, what I copied is what is in the log
[09:51] <seb128> "insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm
[09:51] <seb128>  insserv: exiting now!
[09:51] <seb128>  update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header"
[09:52] <pitti> sudo /usr/lib/insserv/insserv --verbose --dry-run
[09:52] <pitti> ?
[09:52] <pitti> ah
[09:52] <pitti> so, dbus is disabled
[09:52] <seb128> well, I would have to have the issue locally to be able to run debug commands...
[09:52] <pitti> well that then
[09:52] <seb128> lightdm and insserv didn't change recently
[09:52] <seb128> I wonder why that started being an issue
[09:52] <Mirv> pitti: hmm, still getting the same message, do you think the fix is fully deployed?
[09:53] <pitti> Mirv: it should be
[09:53] <Mirv> pitti: ok, I reopened the bug now at least
[09:54] <pitti> Mirv: ok, then I need you to interactively debug this with me, as that was the only wrong thing that I saw
[09:54]  * pitti enables some debug logging
[09:55] <Mirv> pitti: ok. I don't see a logic yet - qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu and rocs fail (from under qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles), but unity8 succeeds. all of them are in universe.
[09:55] <pitti> ERROR:root:https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/+archive/primary?person=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.launchpad.net%2F1.0%2F%7Etimo-jyrinki&sourcepackagename=qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles&ws.op=checkUpload&component=main&pocket=Proposed&distroseries=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.launchpad.net%2F1.0%2Fubuntu%2Fxenial failed with 403: Forbidden
[09:55] <xnox> pitti, is there systemd-tmpfiles sysv service running on kfreebsd/hurd on debian?
[09:55] <pitti> ah, so that's still wrong -- component=main
[09:55] <Mirv> although there is a difference that in addition to MOTU I have PPU rights to unity8
[09:55] <pitti> xnox: nope
[09:55] <xnox> pitti, =((((((
[09:56] <pitti> xnox: someone proposed to reimplement some parts of the specification, but it's not in Debian yet
[09:56] <xnox> pitti, i wonder if just that can like simply compile on kfreebsd.
[09:56] <pitti> xnox: no, it won't
[09:56] <xnox> ditto e.g. like sysusers, etc.
[09:56] <xnox> =(
[09:57] <pitti> well, someone could take the source, rip out all the linux specific bits etc., and make that build
[09:57] <pitti> but that's not trivial
[09:58] <pitti> Mirv: hit that URL again, please?
[10:00] <pitti> Mirv: yep, as it's using &component=main -- as you have PPU, the component doesn't matter for LP
[10:00] <pitti> Mirv: i. e. the determination  of the component is still wrong
[10:00] <pitti> Mirv: oh, crap, I see it, nevermind
[10:09] <pitti> Mirv: ok, please try again
[10:11] <Mirv> pitti: works now!
[10:11] <pitti> great
[10:22] <Saviq> pitti, hey, after an update of init-system-helpers, ofono fails to install with "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/ofono not found."
[10:22] <Saviq> or at least I think that's the cause
[10:22] <pitti> Saviq: which version did you upgrade from?
[10:23] <Saviq> pitti, not upgrade, builders fails to install ofono https://launchpadlibrarian.net/236956211/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.unity8_8.11+16.04.20160208-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:23] <pitti> Saviq: ok; can you please file a bug with the URLs?
[10:23] <pitti> I'll look ASAP
[10:23] <Saviq> pitti, thanks
[10:24] <pete-woods> hi folks, I'm looking for some assistance in landing (https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/ubuntu/xenial/libgcrypt20/disable-arm-asm-rijndael) into xenial+vivid overlay. it's not a train-managed package, so I don't know how to land it
[10:24] <pete-woods> was hoping a friendly archive admin or such like could help me out
[10:24] <pete-woods> (it's a simple branch that disables some broken ARM assembler for AES in libgcrypt, falling back to C code)
[10:25] <pete-woods> without it, the keyring crashes on the phone
[10:25] <pete-woods> I've linked it to branches, reported the bug upstream, etc
[10:25] <seb128> pete-woods, hey, #ubuntu-ci-eng might be a better place to ask about overlay landings
[10:26] <pete-woods> seb128: okay, thanks will head over there
[10:31] <Saviq> pitti, bug #1543051, looks like it ignored invalid initscripts before, now it bails out
[10:32] <pitti> cjwatson: that was another example of bug 1541334; I deployed the fix now, test is green now
[10:32] <pitti> Saviq: thanks
[10:38] <cjwatson> pitti: ah, great, thanks
[11:22] <pitti> infinity, cjwatson: wow, we still don't have a proper xenial buildd chroot? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/222053869/chroot-ubuntu-xenial-amd64.tar.bz2 is allegedly the current one, but has wily deb sources and pakcage versions
[11:39] <cjwatson> pitti: that's up to infinity :)
[11:50] <pitti> Saviq: fix uploaded; it shouldn't be necessary for the package to land in -release, published in -proposed should be enough; so as soon as https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/init-system-helpers/1.28ubuntu2 is published and on the mirror, you can retry the build
[11:50] <Saviq> pitti, yup, thanks!
[12:35] <Mirv> pitti: could kblog and ktnef be overriden for http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtbase-opensource-src - I've filed a bug #1543093 after reproducing the failures locally on stock xenial
[12:36] <Mirv> it's not simply a missing build dependency or such, but something else
[12:37] <cjwatson> multiarch fallout?
[12:41] <tsimonq2> thanks ScottK :)
[13:38] <pitti> Mirv: done
[13:39] <Mirv> thank you!
[13:44] <pitti> xnox: are you interested in looking into the upstart test regression? (that happend a fair while ago), or should I just bump the force-badtest?
[13:44] <pitti><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:44] <pitti> search for "not ok" (one hit, "26 - with single-line script that is killed")
[13:45] <pitti> which consistently fails on all arches and all runs
[13:45] <mterry> jdstrand, hello!  We had settled on python-oauthlib as the recommended oauth bindings library a while back.  I'm getting a MIR (bug 1540431) that wants python-oath2client.  Apparently it is the Google-oriented flavor of oauth libraries, and would be difficult to just swap out for oauthlib (has direct support for appengine, etc).  What is the security stance on having two oauth libraries in main?  How much trouble would that be?
[13:45] <xnox> pitti, it's flakey on ppc64el builders (had to retry the builds). I'm suspecting it's specific to how adt package tests are run.
[13:45] <xnox> pitti, either to little or too much load.
[13:46] <xnox> pitti, and the test is racy. We may or may not catch the thing we are trying to catch =/
[13:46] <pitti> xnox: yes, that's what I meant -- should we just disable that test, if it's known to not work properly anyway?
[13:46] <pitti> better than entirely ignoring the whole thing
[13:47] <xnox> pitti, i was pondering to upload: not ok 26 - ..... # TODO -> which will then make it XFAIL, rather than FAIL.
[13:47] <xnox> pitti, to be honest, unless it affects user-session, or touch, i really don't care.
[13:47] <pitti> xnox: XFAIL would then fail if it actually succeeds, no?
[13:48] <ogra_> is that a branded FAIL ? like XNOX-FAIL ?
[13:48] <ogra_> :)
[13:48] <xnox> ogra_, expect...
[13:48] <xnox> pitti, depends how i code it =), i'll make it "ok" or "not ok # TODO"
[13:48] <xnox> :P
[13:48] <pitti> xnox: ah, that sounds perfect
[13:48] <pitti> xnox: thanks
[13:59] <caribou> Laney: Hi, I would need help with a trusty backport : https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1494141
[14:07] <caribou> or anybody from the backport team as a matter of fact
[14:12] <caribou> pitti: did you get to verify the juju-local bug caused by rsyslog since I uploaded 8.16 ?
[14:13] <pitti> caribou: yes, it doesn't crash any more; thanks!
[14:13] <caribou> pitti: good, I can close the bug
[14:21] <Laney> caribou: what actually is needed?
[14:22] <caribou> Laney: it's been sitting idle for a long time and would need that the current package be replaced by the version in wily-updates (as stated in my last comment)
[14:22] <caribou> Laney: it was stopped waiting for fixes to make it to the stable release
[14:23] <caribou> Laney: and is causing problems in Openstack
[14:24] <Laney> caribou: it is a confusing bug and your comment says "From what I can gather", and not "Please backport from wily-updates" - the former reads to me like you aren't certain
[14:24] <Laney> So if that's what you want, please make it clear and say that you have tested it
[14:24] <Laney> for example fix the bug title too
[14:24] <caribou> Laney: ok, will do & ping you back
[14:26] <Laney> thanks
[14:28] <dobey> hmm, when's lts-wily xorg expected to land in trusty updates?
[14:38] <jdstrand> mterry (and tyhicks): in general we try to avoid things like that. istr this particular case came up once before...
[14:39] <jdstrand> mterry: ah, yes, bug 1213934. I'll let sarnold comment when he comes online
[14:41] <mterry> jdstrand, yeah I know we don't like it.  I'm just not sure that oauth2client is as simple a comparison because of all its google-specific stuff
[14:41] <mterry> But yeah let's hear sarnold
[14:42] <mterry> jdstrand, also, did you ever get my email about that PAM module I wrote for lockscreen password?
[14:42] <mterry> jdstrand, I figure if we're going to use it on phones, you folks should make sure I didn't do something stupid
[14:43] <jdstrand> we did. tyhicks and I need to give it a priority and assign it to someone. we are pretty behind on reviews atm
[14:54] <caribou> Laney: just tested & updated the bug; let me know if that is adequate for you
[15:02] <doko> ginggs, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1542928
[15:06] <Laney> caribou: ok, thx
[15:10] <seb128> @pilot in
[15:11] <nandersson_>  Hi, how many years does one have to wait for a contributed patch to enter Ubuntu? This bug is oooooooooooooold, patched and still Canonical hasn't added the patch. What is the reason behind this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/1390061/+subscriptions
[15:19] <mdeslaur> nandersson_: I've subscribed ubuntu-sponsors to the bug so the patch gets looked at
[15:19] <Laney> caribou: done
[15:19] <seb128> nandersson_, Ubuntu contributors are not restricted to Canonical and that bug should perhaps be sent to Debian, also what mdeslaur said
[15:19] <caribou> Laney: thank you sooo much !
[15:19] <tseliot> pitti: for some reason I can't find dh-modaliases on armhf in xenial (arch is set to all in the control file though)
[15:22] <roaksoax> pitti: there are none: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14993709/
[15:23] <pitti> tseliot: hm, rmadison also says "all"
[15:23] <roaksoax> pitti: this was working fine the week before last though, and we just started seeing this last week when trying to update packaging
[15:23] <pitti> roaksoax: that's the source's .postinst; I mean the built version, with #DEBHELPER# expanded
[15:23] <nandersson_> mdeslaur, Thanks a lot! :)
[15:24] <nandersson_> seb128, Thanks. Actually I think it is already patched upstream in Debian, but I will check that.
[15:24] <cjwatson> tseliot: it's definitely there.  how are you checking this?
[15:25] <tseliot> cjwatson: my xenial chroot can't find it, also here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/1:0.4.15/+build/8908972
[15:25] <showaz> nandersson_, http://bash-completion.alioth.debian.org/
[15:26] <cjwatson> tseliot: the latter is irrelevant, it's arch: all so only built on amd64
[15:26] <cjwatson> tseliot: when you say "can't find it", could you give me a transcript?
[15:26] <nandersson_> showaz, Yes, I'll check with Luk and David. Thanks
[15:26] <cjwatson> tseliot: (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/armhf/dh-modaliases shows it as published, and I can see it in a chdist instance)
[15:27] <tseliot> cjwatson: sbuild says E: Build-Depends dependency for sbuild-build-depends-nvidia-graphics-drivers-361-dummy cannot be satisfied because the package dh-modaliases cannot be found
[15:27] <tseliot> apt-get failed.
[15:27] <cjwatson> tseliot: check sources.list etc., or schroot in and see what apt-cache thinks
[15:28] <tseliot> cjwatson: I did: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14993739/
[15:28] <cjwatson> tseliot: when did you last sbuild-update?
[15:28] <pitti> tseliot: there is no /ubuntu-ports, it's just /
[15:29] <roaksoax> pitti: argh! my bad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14993743/
[15:29] <pitti> tseliot: ah well, it actually does seem to work, supposedly a symlink to .
[15:29] <cjwatson> yes, /ubuntu-ports has long been a thing
[15:29] <cjwatson> having a non-/ root for the archive is helpful for mirrors
[15:29] <tseliot> pitti: yes, I think apt would have complained otherwise
[15:29] <pitti> roaksoax: dpkg-maintscript-helper rm_conffile /lib/systemd/system/maas-clusterd.service 2.0.0~alpha1+bzr4635-0ubuntu1 -- "$@"
[15:30] <pitti> roaksoax: o_O
[15:30] <pitti> roaksoax: that's not a conffile
[15:30] <tseliot> cjwatson: I created the chroot maybe a couple of hours ago
[15:30] <pitti> $ wget -O- http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/xenial/main/binary-armhf/Packages.bz2 | bzgrep -A10 'Package: dh-modalias'
[15:31] <pitti> tseliot, cjwatson ^ works (just to ensure that there's really nothing wrong on the mirror)
[15:31] <tseliot> hmm...
[15:31] <seb128> nandersson_, the xenial version has been rebased on Debian and has  trivial diff, so the issue should apply to Debian as well
[15:31] <cjwatson> yeah, I was just doing the same thing :)
[15:32] <pitti> smb: lol, the messed up UTC timezone is breaking one of my tests, too :)
[15:32] <nandersson_> seb128, yeah, I am reaching out to Debian maintainers, and have it incorporated there :)
[15:32] <cjwatson> tseliot: try schrooting in and doing 'apt-cache policy base-files ncurses-base dh-modaliases'
[15:33] <seb128> nandersson_, thanks
[15:33] <tseliot> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14993776/
[15:34] <pitti> tseliot: curious, what kind of setup can run both amd64 and armhf debs at the same time?
[15:34] <tseliot> it does seem to be there..
[15:34] <cjwatson> pitti: qemu-user-static presumably
[15:34] <tseliot> pitti, cjwatson: correct
[15:35] <cjwatson> tseliot: can you paste the entire output from sbuild, including the command line used to invoke it?  add the --debug option while you're there
[15:35] <tseliot> that is also how I build Mir on armhf ;)
[15:35] <tseliot> cjwatson: sure
[15:41] <doko> ginggs, any idea about petsc on powerpc?
[15:46] <roaksoax> pitti: yes, I've already cleaned that up, but obviously that doesn't affect things at all
[15:51] <tseliot> cjwatson: err... it's giving me a different error now: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14993857/
[15:51] <tseliot> that I can probably fix
[15:54] <cjwatson> mm, that might be something to do with nss databases in the chroot
[15:58] <tseliot> cjwatson: I managed to fix that, and now the old error is back
[16:06] <tseliot> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14993921/
[16:42] <cjwatson> tseliot: pass, for the moment - if you tell sbuild not to purge the session then you can use schroot -rc <session id> -u root and see what's up
[16:43] <tseliot> cjwatson: ok, I'll try that, thanks
[16:57] <ginggs> doko, no ideas about petsc on powerpc yet, sorry, and there's also aces also fails on powerpc. i'm not sure if petsc still builds in debian on powerpc; it doesn't look like it has been rebuilt there yet
[17:17] <seb128> smoser, hey, you are core-dev ... any reason you go through the sponsoring queue for https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu-seeds/platform.xenial-ppp-to-server-ship/+merge/284943 rather than doing the changel yourself?
[17:21] <smoser> seb128, i think peer review makes sense for all people.
[17:22] <smoser> even for uber elite people who are core dev like myself :)
[17:22] <smoser> but i mostly planned on doing that one today.
[17:23] <smoser> i just sent to mailing list and waited to get wider view of it.
[17:42] <marlinc> The latest updates removed ubuntu-make
[17:42] <marlinc> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[17:42] <marlinc>  ubuntu-make : Depends: python3-argcomplete but it is not going to be installed
[17:47] <marlinc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.4/+bug/1543228
[18:01] <kuly-zu> when i run netstat i saw some PID/program-name has a -, even if it's run with sudo, why?
[18:02] <teward> kuly-zu: i think that's a question for #ubuntu not here
[18:27] <hallyn> pitti: was talking with tych0, and wondering - should lxcfs try loading liblxcfs with relative path first and then the libdir path, or other way around?
[18:27] <hallyn> i was doing libdir first, but maybe there's no good reason to do so
[18:30] <sarnold> relative to what? loading libraries from "relative" paths feels scary
[18:39] <hallyn> sarnold: as in dlopen("lib.so") vs dlopen("/usr/lib/lxcfs/lib.so")
[18:39] <hallyn> subject to all the usual rpath/ldlibrarypath stuff of course
[18:40] <hallyn> agree it feels scary, but LD_LIBRARY_PATH Is pretty will thought out these days
[18:40] <sarnold> hallyn: would cwd ever be anything that allows untrusted writing? e.g. /tmp or /var/tmp ?
[18:41] <hallyn> sarnold: i don't think so.  depends on init i suppose.  note lxcfs is not setuid-root
[18:41] <hallyn> surely . isnot in library path by default?
[18:41] <sarnold> it is not :)
[18:41] <sarnold> but dlopen("lib.so")..
[18:42] <cjwatson> dlopen("lib.so") isn't interpreted as a relative path
[18:43] <cjwatson> see dlopen(3) - "If filename contains a slash ("/"), then it is interpreted as a (relative or absolute) pathname.  Otherwise ..." and it's the "otherwise" bit that pertains here
[18:43] <sarnold> cjwatson: ah, thus the source of my confusion :) thanks
[18:44] <cjwatson> AFAIK this is basically the same as an ELF object having DT_NEEDED with no slash in it, which is entirely usual
[18:45] <hallyn> interesting, i hadn't realized what a pickle dlopen("a/b") would be -not that i can see any reason to do that
[18:45] <hallyn> anyway, so the poin tis that lxcfs will ship /usr/lib/lxcfs/liblxcfs.so, and i'm trying to decide whether it is better to have lxcfs try dlopen("lxcfs.so") first and fallback to libdir, or not
[18:46] <hallyn> the usual case if "make; ./lxcfs" suggests yes
[19:00] <hallyn> (i see, so my wrong terminology was adding to confusion :)
[20:06] <barry> cjwatson: you don't mind if i upload a new python-six dropping python-six-whl?
[20:28] <tedg> So I need to have different versions of the compiler choose whether the symbols file is used.
[20:29] <tedg> Specifically, because gcc5 has different signatures than gcc4.9.
[20:29] <tedg> So if built on gcc 4.x I don't want to check symbols.
[20:29] <tedg> Can't seem to figure out how to detect that and turn off symbols in a reasonable way. Ideas?
[20:54] <ginggs> doko: fwiw, i just tried building petsc on debian powerpc porterbox and it fails there too - as soon the mpi test program is launched
[20:55] <doko> ginggs, ahh, so openmpi is broken. filing a bug report
[20:57] <ginggs> doko: i concur. aces3 fails in exactly the same way (and does not use petsc)
[21:14] <cjwatson> barry: not if you do it to Debian :)
[21:14] <barry> cjwatson: of course! :)
[21:14] <barry> thx
[21:14] <tedg> xnox: Trying to figure out dh_acc, do you know of a project I could look at and steal from?
[21:22] <dobey> tjaalton: if you're around, i'm just curious why xorg-server-lts-wily hasn't made it into trusty-updates yet :)
[21:29] <tjaalton> dobey: probably because of some miscommunication.. the dailies need to be tested, then the stack can be moved to updates, i'm told
[21:30] <tjaalton> noone did the testing part yet
[21:30] <dobey> oh
[21:30] <dobey> hmm
[22:00] <doko> rbasak, please could -server write a MIR for lua-lpeg, new b-d for nmap
[22:13] <nacc> slangasek: for new src packages (e.g., php-pear moving from src:php5 to src:php-pear), is there a template for filing a bug? Its more intuitive for updating to a new version, but for packaging an altogether new package, I wasn't sure
[22:18] <nacc> slangasek: nm! found it on the wiki, sorry for the noise
[23:41] <xnox> tedg, checkout reverse-depends -b src:acc-package-name ?!
[23:41] <xnox> tedg, it's convoluted, and there are bug reports about it. in practice, build once with it enabled everywhere, retrieve abi tarballs, ship them.