[00:00] <OerHeks> ksft, did you try logout/login again or sudo dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data ?? >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions?action=show&redirect=Howto%3A+Custom+keyboard+layout+definitions#How_to_load_changes
[00:00] <lynx> .net
[00:01] <ksft> OerHeks: I tried restarting
[00:02] <ksft> OerHeks: just ran `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data1
[00:02] <ksft> `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xkb-data`*
[00:02] <ksft> no output
[00:02] <ksft> still not working
[00:06] <derbie> Anyone familiar with libGL error: failed to open drm device: No such file or directory libGL error: failed to load driver: vboxvideo
[00:24] <de-facto> derbie usually VirtualBox ships with a guest additions iso (must be the correct version), you mount that as a cd in your virtual machine (e.g. ubuntu.iso pri master, guest-additions.iso pri slave), boot, mount that and sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions.sh (or such) to compile the guest additions. then you can "lsmod | grep vbox" and "modinfo vboxvideo". if everything went smooth you can set a "passwd", log out of your live session, log in again (with
[00:24] <de-facto> your password) and are all set
[00:24] <jinjonboo> hey guys, anybody here can give me a tip in ripping audio CD's using LAME? need VBR presets etc, thx
[00:25] <scrollbar> hello, how do you increase the width of the gnome scrollbars in 16.04
[00:25] <scrollbar> i upgraded from 14.04 using overlay scrollbars which i preferred
[00:26] <scrollbar> all documentation i can find is for outdated ubuntu releases
[00:26] <de-facto> !info abcde | jinjonboo
[00:26] <derbie> de-facto: thank you
[00:27] <de-facto> derbie there is also #vbox on freenode :)
[00:27] <jinjonboo> thanks de-facto and ubottu :)
[00:29] <goddard> hi everyone
[00:44] <phc> hey hey
[00:50] <andril> hey phc
[01:03] <Hydr0p0nX> can anyone tell me how to get udf dvd's to automount ? iso format dvd's and udf bluray's automount as expected ? udf blurays report mounting in dmesg but never actually mount
[01:15] <hfp> Hi all, I have a machine with two drives. One is for the OS and one is for storage. I guess I forgot about an old install or something but both drives have a bootable OS and partition. I updated the kernel and it added entries for both OSes on GRUB. Both OSes are Debian. How can I safely delete the system I dont use and reclaim the space on the storage drive? I'd rather not lose the data on the storage drive
[01:15] <hfp> (I dont care about the OS on that drive though). Can I just delete the partition as I would any other one? How do I know which partition has GRUB installed?
[01:16] <bazhang> hfp, is ubuntu in there somewhere
[01:17] <fishbowlkraken__> hey, I'm getting some stuttering and other problems with audio after upgrading to Xenial.
[01:18] <fishbowlkraken__> I know I'd fixed it somehow in Wily, but I can't for the life of me remember how.
[01:18] <fishbowlkraken__> I have that weird AMD Azalia card that causes so many problems
[01:18] <bazhang> fishbowlkraken__, in which instances, youtube, rhythmbox or what
[01:18] <fishbowlkraken__> yes.
[01:19] <fishbowlkraken__> I've tried Banshee, Youtube, even system sounds from time to time
[01:19] <bazhang> that was multiple choice
[01:19] <fishbowlkraken__> yes it was, and I chose "all of the above"
[01:19] <bazhang> what is PCM set to in alsamixer
[01:20] <fishbowlkraken__> ooh, hey, in alsamixer it's showing something interesting.
[01:20] <bazhang> and how have you set things in pavucontrol and padevchooser
[01:20] <fishbowlkraken__> ooh, okay, that's a cool part.
[01:21] <fishbowlkraken__> and by cool I mean "ridiculous"
[01:21] <fishbowlkraken__> so if you have it set to be analog stereo output, which is what it is
[01:21] <hfp> bazhang: Ha sorry, I thought I was on #debian not #ubuntu... My bad
[01:21] <fishbowlkraken__> it randomly switches back and forth rapidly from headphone to line out settings
[01:21] <fishbowlkraken__> and an additional stutter is added as it switches back and forth
[01:22] <fishbowlkraken__> despite the fact that the only audio device present is a single 3.5mm jack
[01:22] <bazhang> fishbowlkraken__, its nigh impossible to get your full output with so much enter
[01:24] <fishbowlkraken__> Right. Sorry, I've been using phone chat clients for too long. Lemme just go for all of it at once. Okay, If you have it set to analog stereo sound, it flips back and forth from headphone to line out settings. Despite there being only one audio out, totally static, the whole time. It's running through a jack that plugs into my keyboard, allowing my headphones to plug into that, but I tried plugging the headphones in di
[01:24] <fishbowlkraken__> rectly and the problem persists.
[01:24] <precise_> Hey guys, any idea why my 14.04 install USB will only boot in UEFI mode, I have would like to use the legacy option. Then when I boot into UEFI mode to install, I get to GRUB, I select the install option, then I get a blank screen. Any ideas why? I don't know what is going on because I have installed ubuntu on this laptop before.
[01:28] <fishbowlkraken__> It also has the occasional crackling and popping, which I'd had issues with before as well, and somehow I fixed them before. I've tried setting tsched = 0 in the pulse config, which apparently fixes some of this for some people, but to no avail. The other workaround is to set it to analog 4.0 sound, which used to work at the expense of some bass being lost, but that's not working now either for some reason
[01:28] <Qasker-> question: why were the bans and quiets removed for the spammers?
[01:28] <Qasker-> after they left, all ranges were removed
[01:28] <Qasker-> free to spam again
[01:31] <Qasker-> whomever controls  Drone` screwed up and removed spammer ranges
[01:32] <harts> I have two VMs, and I'm trying to use one (which is running dnsmasq) as a dns server for the other. On the dns client VM, if I `dig some_domain @$OTHER_VM` it just hangs, but my networking settings allow this. I believe I need to modify my dnsmasq.conf to allow it to serve requests from the other VM, but does anyone know what?
[01:32] <Qasker-> ffs the list is infinite, no need to remove. its a database
[01:32] <fishbowlkraken__> I really wish I had the ability to just kill pulse and use ALSA. Why did we need Pulse, again?
[01:33] <Qasker-> bc alsa does not allow the same granular control
[01:35] <fishbowlkraken__> like what?
[01:35] <fishbowlkraken__> I mean, what do I really miss by just having ALSA?
[01:36] <Qasker> i may be totally wrong, and since no one is manning up to admit they fucked up removing ranges, it is unlikely someone will manup to correct me
[01:36] <Qasker> the driver is different
[01:36] <fishbowlkraken__> why can't Pulse be optional for people that do want those features, or at least something you can remove without having to dismantle your whole OS
[01:36] <Qasker> with pulse you can adjust volume of each speaker in the set. ALSA not possible
[01:37] <fishbowlkraken__> Alsamixer lets me do that, though.
[01:37] <Qasker> alsamixer does not, for me
[01:37] <Qasker> i need to use Pulse Audio mixer
[01:37] <Qasker> which is sep install, not default ubuntu
[01:38] <fishbowlkraken__> http://i.imgur.com/tkCXL2O.png
[01:38] <fishbowlkraken__> pavucontrol is part of Ubuntu
[01:38] <fishbowlkraken__> but there's Alsa, letting me mess with whatever speakers I want
[01:38] <fishbowlkraken__> But anyway, bazhang, you still here?
[01:39] <Qasker> that looked like command line
[01:39] <Qasker> pulse audio control
[01:39] <Qasker> its a separate program from software center
[01:39] <Qasker> not default on any flavor
[01:40] <fishbowlkraken__> oh, yeah iunno what that is. But why is that a super important feature?
[01:40] <Qasker> ...unless 16.04 added it default, which is unlikely
[01:40] <Qasker> I use it for granular control of my sound system
[01:40] <Qasker> i dont have such a tool with ALSA
[01:40] <Qasker> afaik
[01:41] <Qasker> bass, treble, independant speaker control, independant program control
[01:41] <Qasker> like i can make chromes default volume lower than my system volume
[01:41] <grizzlymobile> I love Ubuntu 16.04 sooooo awesome!!!!
[01:42] <Qasker> nice grizz. wlecome to the fam
[01:42] <chinesesausage> prefer Peach OSI myself
[01:42] <chinesesausage> based on Ubuntu
[01:42] <grizzlymobile> Elementary IO is a good one too
[01:42] <fishbowlkraken__> Pretty sure Chrome has its own volume controls that can be used by it, but whatever. Anyway, is there anyway I could disable Pulse without just destroying my OS?
[01:42] <AndyWojo> is there a repo for openstack and 16.04 yet???
[01:42] <Qasker> lol, you like the "popular" stuff
[01:42] <grizzlymobile> Not  fan of chrome. privacytools.io
[01:43] <fishbowlkraken__> because I don't care about precise bass, I care about it not popping and being a turd.
[01:43] <grizzlymobile> haah @fiskbowlkraken__
[01:43] <Qasker> i dont have an answer for you clambakeinacar
[01:43] <fishbowlkraken__> ???
[01:43] <Qasker> besides pulse is better than alsa
[01:44] <fishbowlkraken__> that's great that you think that
[01:44] <Qasker> fishbowl = clam bake in a car with all windows closed
[01:44] <fishbowlkraken__> but it's causing my sound card to be a crackly, popping mess.
[01:44] <Qasker> grizzlymobile that is great site
[01:44] <grizzlymobile> @Qasker thanks.. Yeah I'm huge into privacy.
[01:44] <grizzlymobile> I like that Ubuntu decided to have a Security distro.
[01:45] <Qasker> hmm. crackle, pop, and hiss. check grounding
[01:45] <fishbowlkraken__> I'm glad that you like all the special minutiae Pulse has to offer, but I'm not a fan. And again, It's only happening when Pulse is running.
[01:45] <fishbowlkraken__> Dude, this is a documented bug.
[01:45] <Qasker> besides that i dont have an answer. maybe someone is here does or maybe there is a specialized place with answers, like a pulse or alsa channel
[01:45] <fishbowlkraken__> Popping and crackling from pulse on certain soundcards, not related to electrical interference.
[01:46] <Qasker> oh its only certain cards?
[01:46] <Qasker> thats a driver issue
[01:46] <Qasker> unless the cards are made shitty, which is unlikely in major market cards
[01:48] <Qasker> back in the day when i started w linux, the response was "go write your own driver" which was a really crappy response for a kid to hear
[01:48] <Qasker> slackware 3.2 i think
[01:49] <fishbowlkraken__> It's an AMD card, and there are workarounds, but I've been trying them and they haven't been working
[01:49] <fishbowlkraken__> When I started out that was what I was told in regards to WLAN drivers, in 07
[01:50] <Qasker> haha. that was true back then. even if they were written it was mostly source you had to compile on your own
[01:51] <fishbowlkraken__> I had a shortcut to a shell script on the desktop I'd run to recompile it every time I rebooted
[01:52] <fishbowlkraken__> and lucky me, I had an atheros card. in 07/8, those were just greaaaaaaat
[01:52] <Qasker> shouldnt need to re-compile each time, just once
[01:52] <Qasker> oh those were the cats ass back then
[01:53] <fishbowlkraken__> sorry. every time I rebooted after a kernel update
[01:53] <fishbowlkraken__> then I'd reboot again
[01:53] <Qasker> kinda like orninoco chipset cards back in 04-05
[01:55] <DHowett> if i'm moving between LTS releases, is it better to go step-by-step (12.04 -> 14.04 -> 16.04) or is it safe to do all four years at once (12.04 -> 16.04)
[01:55] <Qasker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORiNOCO
[01:55] <Qasker> DHowett, other may have different opinion, but i would do a fresh install, after backup of data
[01:55] <DHowett> Qasker: yeah, you're not wrong ;)
[01:56] <DHowett> Qasker: my eventual goal is to completely repave the machine and part it out into smaller VMs
[01:56] <DHowett> it's a kitchen sink machine right now, and it's providing too many disparate services
[01:56] <Qasker> then you are best starting "fresh"
[01:56] <fishbowlkraken__> heh
[01:57] <fishbowlkraken__> okay, my lights flickered, so I'mma disconnect, because I have a bad feeling in regards to my power's stability
[01:58] <Qasker> still waiting for Drone` owner or person responsible for removing spammer ranges to explain why they un-did the work to prevent spammers
[01:59] <Qasker> this is #ubuntu, one of the largest channels here, PLEASE, tell me the ops here know how to use the network
[01:59] <imthenachoman> hey guys. i have a i5 system with 16 gb of ddr4 ram and a 128 m2 ssd with 2 tb hd for storage. gonna be used as a file server (with owncloud). any benefit to having 16 gb swap or is 8 gb enough?
[01:59] <yoelis> hi everybody
[01:59] <Qasker> bc that removing ranges was bullshit. they never should have been added. use akick
[01:59] <Qasker> what size files will it be serving?
[02:00] <Qasker> imthenachoman: what size files will it be serving?
[02:00] <imthenachoman> music, pictures, maybe some 8 gb hd movies
[02:00] <imthenachoman> Qasker: music, pictures, data files, maybe some 8 gb hd movies.
[02:00] <Qasker> swap should be larger than the largest file you intend to write to it
[02:01] <yoelis> double of your ram memory
[02:01] <imthenachoman> screw it, i have enough space. i'll leave it at 16
[02:01] <imthenachoman> the default ubuntu sued
[02:01] <imthenachoman> used
[02:01] <Qasker> yoelis when we have 32gb ram, a 64gb swap is not necessary
[02:01] <Qasker> those are old rules
[02:01] <DHowett> very old, i reckon
[02:02] <yoelis> ha ok thanks
[02:03] <Qasker> imthenachoman 16 won't "hurt" you, unless you need the space for something else. prob wise to leave plenty of spwap space
[02:03] <Qasker> although with 32gb ram, the times you will write something to swap will be rare
[02:03] <imthenachoman> Qasker: i only have 16 gb ram
[02:04] <yoelis> but normally when do you install ubuntu that do the swap partition
[02:04] <yoelis> or manually
[02:04] <Qasker> make sure you optimize the ssd, turn off swapiness, use the parameters in fstab, etc
[02:04] <imthenachoman> yeah. i need to see how to do that. not sure how
[02:05] <Qasker> yoelis i think default is now 1.5x ram size. not sure if it adjusts for high ram amounts
[02:05] <imthenachoman> i think there are articles online but i'll have to find em. if you have any good tutorials on it i'm all years
[02:05] <dax> haven't bothered with swap since the 4GB days. if something's using 4GB of RAM, the OOM killer is quite welcome to have its way with it
[02:05] <DHowett> dax++
[02:05] <yoelis> ha ok thanks
[02:05] <dax> different story if you need hibernate, but I don't and fileservers don't
[02:05] <imthenachoman> dax: agreed
[02:06] <imthenachoman> eh. my main OS is on a 128 gb SSD which will ONLY have the OS on it. 2 TB for everything else
[02:06] <imthenachoman> the few apps i'll install wont take space like owncloud
[02:06] <Qasker> https://www.leaseweb.com/labs/2013/07/5-crucial-optimizations-for-ssd-usage-in-ubuntu-linux/
[02:06] <Qasker> https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization
[02:06] <Qasker> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/solid-state-drives-get-one-already
[02:06] <Qasker> love the journal
[02:07] <gbell> Anybody else had a Win10 upgrade kill of their linux partitions?
[02:07] <Qasker> gbell isnt that expected?
[02:08] <gbell> Win7 and before never did.
[02:08] <Qasker> sure they do. they overwrite MBR
[02:08] <DHowett> Qasker: i've never seen that
[02:08] <Qasker> they dont kill the linux system, just remove access to it
[02:08] <DHowett> in attended setup they only touch the partitions you specify
[02:08] <DHowett> and stomp the bootloader
[02:08] <DHowett> but with UEFI, you're generally safe
[02:08] <gbell> Naw, they just changed the boot loader, not the MBR.  I got complacent and didn't read up.  "That hasn't happened in 15 years" thought brain.  Luckily it was just my laptop.
[02:09] <yoelis> where i can fine medical applications
[02:10] <yoelis> i am physical therapist and i need that in linux
[02:11] <Qasker> yeah MBR on old versions, UEFI on newer versions. doesn't matter, winblows overwrites. best to install or upgrade winblows, then fix wioth linux
[02:11] <gbell> It didn't used to kill other partitions, is what I'm saying.  Win10 does.
[02:11] <Qasker> yoelis looking for practice management along with HIPPA-compliant "notes" system
[02:12] <pringles5> I put my Ubuntu on an external hard drive to avoid all that
[02:12] <reisio> HIPAA* :)
[02:12] <akik> gbell: have you checked in a live session that the linux partition is gone?
[02:12] <gbell> yes.
[02:12] <Qasker> oh, i just assumed all windows kill eveything. that has always been my assumption and it has not been wrong yet. winblows sucks. we cant expect it to keep our data or other OS' safe
[02:12] <akik> damn
[02:13] <Qasker> HITECH is more precise
[02:13] <Qasker> ive read both laws
[02:13] <gbell> And this was on an upgrade.  There was already an NTFS partition for it to use...
[02:13] <DHowett> I can't say I agree, having spent a lot of time happily using both platforms. It's got its place, and its benefits, and while it was heavyhanded before it seems to take a more genial approach now
[02:13] <pringles5> Microsoft has been very aggressive about forcing people to upgrade to Win 10 so it doesn't surprise me to hear that it might wipe other OS partitions
[02:13] <DHowett> gbell: was it an automatic upgrade from 7?
[02:14] <DHowett> it just reallocated the full space ( - ~400MB ) for itself?
[02:14] <gbell> @DHowett yep to both.
[02:14] <DHowett> interesting
[02:15] <gbell> And making a backup of the partition table doesn't help if WIn10 overwrites the table and then writes to a new whole-disk partition.
[02:16] <DHowett> right. that sucks
[02:16] <DHowett> i can't speak for the automatic upgrade process, but i've never seen it do that in manual installs
[02:17] <gbell> Same.
[02:17] <DHowett> sorry man
[02:17] <gbell> This guy seems to think that, even if it wipes the partition table, it somehow won't write to the parts of the disk the old partitions referred to. http://askubuntu.com/a/662714/300685
[02:18] <gbell> @DHowett : Thanks, but it was a lightly used laptop.  Just trying to figure out how to upgrade my main machine's Win7 partition without killing my daily workhorse linux partitions.  Don't really like having to buy a new disk every upgrade!
[02:20] <DHowett> gbell: might be worth it to back up the main and then try a manual win10 upgrade now that you have a safety net
[02:21] <gbell> Yeah.  I never like to have to rely on my backups like that.  Ah well, new drive not that expensive.
[02:21] <gbell> Wait, one's an SSD!
[02:25] <Qasker> I would describe it as intrusive and unnecessarily aggressive. "genial" would not enter the discussion
[02:29] <akik> gbell: according to those comments, it's possible to rescue the partition table with testdisk
[02:30] <gbell> @akik: It's unclear how testdisk would do that... they all get marked as NTFS partitions (that *may* have been what happened to me, but what I recall is that it killed them off completely and left one big NTFS partition).
[02:30] <akik> but i'm sure if would also have one of those wtf moments
[02:30] <akik> i would
[02:35] <akik> acer's recovery environment software warned that it would remove the partitions of the flash device that was used. i had a 2 terabyte hard disk that i wanted to use so i prepared one ntfs partition on it. after the creation of the rescue environment there was one 32 gigabyte partition on that big disk
[02:37]  * reisio wouldn't run acer software
[02:38] <reisio> you can backup a Windows install with sfdisk/sgdisk & ntfsclone, and dd for the boot loader if you want
[02:42] <rsully> 16.04 ships with zfs? is it available during install process?
[02:42] <akik> here http://askubuntu.com/questions/665445/upgraded-to-windows-10-on-dual-boot-and-cant-boot-to-ubuntu-partition?lq=1 kvangent had success using parted rescue
[02:49] <Abe_> am I in offtopic?
[02:50] <sansay> Hey guys does anyone know the command to enter the varnish terminal on my server?
[02:50] <Abe_> this is offtopic right?
[02:50] <akik> Abe_: no
[02:50] <dax> Abe_: this is #ubuntu. for -offtopic, /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:51] <Abe_> lol I was pretty sure i'm in offtopic
[02:53] <Dougie187> How do I move a LUKS header from one drive to another?
[02:55] <zproc_> Hello
[02:56] <zproc_> my Ubuntu 15.10 suddenly boots to busybox... i don't know what happened... is there anything i can do to save the install?
[02:58] <snoppen> h
[03:03] <zproc_> weird thing but i found this http://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox
[03:05] <Bashing-om> zproc_: There is also: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1594052 .
[03:06] <Finetundra> evening folks, every time I try to run apt-get install I get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) in return
[03:06] <robotdevil1> EriC^^: ha finally
[03:06] <Finetundra> Can someone help me resolve this?
[03:06] <robotdevil1> EriC^^: thanks for your help
[03:07] <robotdevil1> EriC^^: hard for me wrap m head around something I think is so stupid lol
[03:07] <robotdevil1> linuxmodder: also thanks to you too
[03:08] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: Post the command and the full output in a pastebin so we get all in context .
[03:12] <Finetundra> Bashing-om: erm nevermind that. It seems to have magically resolved its issues
[03:12] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: Love it when the system heals it's self :)
[03:13] <Finetundra> It annoys me
[03:13] <Finetundra> Cause every time it does that it's after I've asked you guys a question
[03:13] <snapsnail> I'm really struggling with a IPTables issues. I posted it in AskUbuntu and I'm not getting any bites. Can anyone help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/764101/iptables-config-to-passthrough-internet-16-04
[03:13] <Finetundra> And then I feel like I've needlessly bothered you guys
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: Inquiring minds want to know .. read the logs :)
[03:16] <Finetundra> Bashing-om: which particular log do you want?
[03:16] <zproc_> Yep, choosing another superblock fixed the boot to busybox/initramfs
[03:16] <wellytom> hi guys
[03:16] <wellytom> wassup
[03:17] <Bashing-om> Finetundra: Oj .. I do not want .. but you might find /var/log/dpkg.log ; dpkg.log.1 of interest .
[03:18] <wellytom> guys, i have windows 10 on my PC and after a lot of shits i decided to try linux system
[03:18] <flapjack> stop swearing, my moms watching!!!
[03:18] <Bashing-om> ! cookie | zproc_
[03:18] <wellytom> i downloaded this new version of ubuntu but i can't boot the system to install this :(
[03:19] <preston> wellytom: what is it saying
[03:19] <zproc_> Bashing-om well, thanks? I helped myself, yes.. well...
[03:19] <preston> does it boot to grub
[03:19] <Bashing-om> !uefi | wellytom
[03:20] <wellytom> hmm i'll check this, thx guys
[03:20] <Bashing-om> zproc_: cookie cause I can not get !Yah to work for me .
[03:20] <preston> legacy bios is cooler
[03:24] <preston> im tired as shit goodnight
[03:24] <flapjack> stop swearing, my moms watching!!!
[03:24]  * dax sighs
[03:25] <dax> ~help
[03:26] <Rooster> Hello?
[03:27] <Sebastien> hi
[03:27] <Rooster> I don't think this is Ubuntuprelated, but does anyone know how I can create a shell account?
[03:27] <Rooster> Ubuntu-related*
[03:28] <LambdaComplex> shell account?
[03:28] <zproc_> new user on your system or...?
[03:28] <Rooster> An account I can usr to create a secure connection to IRC?
[03:28] <Rooster> use*
[03:29] <dax> probably better off asking #freenode
[03:29] <Rooster> Thanks, didn't know where to ask
[03:30] <drew__> hello
[03:38] <viju> It's taking forever to install some softwares, I am using ubuntu software.
[03:39] <viju> It's stuck there. What can be done?
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> viju: what software are we talking about?
[03:42] <Qasker> is another process interrupting?
[03:45] <criptomano> hi! i have installed ubuntu on a LVM volume which its physical volume is encrypted with cryptsetup. I'm trying to configure grub2 to boot this installation but it doesn't ask me to type the disk password and throws an error saying no such device. Did anybody do something like this?
[03:46] <criptomano> i am using the grub configuration of arch linux (it is also installed on an encrypted lvm volume) and it does ask for disk password
[03:48] <Rooster> Does anyone use irssi? or XChat?
[03:48] <Rooster> I don't know what to choose for IRC
[03:49] <kisb> hexchat
[03:49] <smatic> hello all
[03:49] <Rooster> kisb, is that run from the terminal like irssi?
[03:49] <Rooster> ran*
[03:49] <kisb> Rooster, no its gui for big boys
[03:50] <nchambers> Don't use xchat.  I'm new to IRC.
[03:50] <dax> use weechat or hexchat.
[03:51] <wasley> why its dead, I'm use the xchat now
[03:51] <dax> first is command-line, second is graphical
[03:51] <dax> wasley: unmaintained upstream, switch to hexchat
[03:51] <dax> it's like xchat except not abandoned
[03:51] <Rooster> Sorry to sound dumb, but what do you mean upstream?
[03:51] <dax> Rooster: upstream = the people who actually make the software
[03:51] <dax> as opposed to e.g. Ubuntu that just packages it up
[03:51] <Rooster> S it's unsupported?
[03:51] <Rooster> So*
[03:52] <dax> xchat development is dead
[03:52] <Rooster> Okay, gotcha
[03:53] <viju> lotuspsychje, I am installing open arena and supertux racing
[03:53] <Rooster> Ubuntu isn't on the server list for Hexchat?
[03:53] <nolsen> Is amd64-microcode needed? does it make any improvements?
[03:54] <viju> And it's stuck there for last half an hour.
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> viju: abort, reboot and start again perhaps from terminal to see whats going on?
[03:54] <smatic> as I can Decrypt an encrypted drive :(
[03:55] <dax> Rooster: Ubuntu IRC = freenode
[03:55] <dax> Rooster: irc.ubuntu.com just aliases to chat.freenode.net
[03:55] <Rookie> f
[03:56] <Rooster> r
[03:57] <Rooster> What's so special about Hexchat, it has the exact same gui as XChat?
[03:58] <dax> it's been updated in the last 5 years, unlike xchat
[03:58] <dax> read: it gets security and bugfix updates, unlike xchat
[03:58] <Rooster> I see
[03:59] <reisio> xchat is dead
[03:59] <LambdaComplex> why do people still use xchat
[04:00] <reisio> they're using old installs
[04:00] <Rooster> Because they don't know it's dead, like me lol
[04:00] <reisio> like "LTS" :p
[04:00] <reisio> they've opted to avoid updating, on purpose... :p
[04:00] <Rooster> I still use LTS, is that bad?
[04:00] <reisio> Rooster: it's not bad, but it's silly, if you think it's getting you anything worth having
[04:00] <denysonique> Well
[04:00] <LambdaComplex> "maybe"
[04:00] <denysonique> I just learned now from you about Hexchat
[04:00] <denysonique> right now I am on XChat
[04:00] <reisio> right, and you're using old Ubuntu
[04:01] <Rooster> So, what you're telling me is I should just do a fresh install over it with 16?
[04:01] <reisio> Rooster: nope
[04:01] <smatic> fucushu456
[04:01] <viju> How do I stop the installation then?
[04:01] <reisio> viju: of what?
[04:01] <denysonique> 14.04LTS
[04:01] <Rooster> I can't upgrade versions anyway, so I'm stuck here because I don't know why I can't.
[04:02] <denysonique> but I guess there must be a ppa for hexchat
[04:02] <Rooster> It kinda pisses me off
[04:02] <viju> reisio, I am installing some games, but it's stuck for a while now.
[04:02] <reisio> denysonique: right, really, really old
[04:02] <reisio> viju: killing the process /should/ have no ill effects
[04:03] <reisio> Rooster: that'd be annoying
[04:03] <denysonique> reisio, I used to run a Gentoo install that was rebuilding everything from git everyday
[04:03] <denysonique> bleeding edge
[04:03] <smatic> how to access my home enriptada from another user or a live cd?
[04:03] <Rooster> Does anyone else have problems upgrading from 14.04 to 15.10 through update manager?
[04:03] <viju> reisio, how?
[04:04] <reisio> denysonique: sounds excessive
[04:04] <reisio> viju: this the 'Software' gui?
[04:04] <viju> yes
[04:04] <reisio> viju: you can run 'xkill', then click on the window
[04:05] <viju> reisio, the window is already closed.
[04:05] <reisio> viju: so what's the problem?
[04:06] <viju> The process is running in the background that's stopping me from using the command line apt-get
[04:06] <Ben64> Rooster: why would you upgrade not to 16.04
[04:06] <Rooster> Because I can't do it through the update manager and to upgrade straight 16.04 I would have to install it over 14.04 and I have a bunch of stuff I want to save.
[04:07] <viju> reisio, I was installing some games. And then it stuck for an hour now. The Ubuntu Software is as unstable as before and I have no idea how to find it's pid and kill it.
[04:07] <denysonique> 14.04 LTS is until 2019, I personally don't see a valid reason to upgrade
[04:07] <viju> I just want those games installed.
[04:07] <Rooster> I just like having the latest version
[04:07] <Ben64> Rooster: no, you can upgrade straight to 16.04, it's just not offered until 16.04.1
[04:07] <denysonique> I prefer to not spend time on upgrading/installing stuff
[04:08] <viju> denysonique, yes there shouldnt be any reason. It's like we are forced to upgrade.
[04:08] <reisio> viju: what makes you think it's running?
[04:08] <Rooster> Ben64, care to enlighten me? I have no idea how to go straight to 16.04
[04:08] <kisb> upgrade keeps your files
[04:08] <denysonique> The reason I switched from Gentoo to Ubuntu on my desktop is to have a peace of mind
[04:08] <viju> reisio, because I tried apt-get and there's a lock
[04:08] <Ben64> Rooster: did you change anything
[04:08] <denysonique> hence I am reluctant to upgrades and so on
[04:09] <Rooster> Ben64, I think I may have third-party repositories that stop me?
[04:09] <denysonique> btw, I thought there was going to be some sort of rolling-release Ubuntu?
[04:10] <Ben64> Rooster: i mean did you change the upgrade thing from LTS to something else
[04:10] <Rooster> Ben64, No
[04:11] <Ben64> Rooster: then 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' should start the process, but be aware, it's not recommended to upgrade from 14.04 until 16.04.1
[04:11] <dax> denysonique: nope
[04:11] <dax> denysonique: it gets considered every so often, but nobody wants to maintain it
[04:12] <dax> !info hexchat trusty
[04:12] <dax> thought so.
[04:12] <Rooster> Ben64, yes, but it takes me to 15.10 before 16.04
[04:12] <denysonique> Why Ubuntu has not sorted out single init scripts by 16.04 yet?
[04:12] <dax> denysonique: elaborate on "single init scripts"
[04:12] <denysonique> Some are in /etc/init and some in /etc/init.d/
[04:13] <denysonique> and there is no single tool to manage them all
[04:13] <denysonique> Don't you think that is a mess?
[04:13] <Rooster> Ben64, it says "404 Not Found".
[04:13] <Ben64> Rooster: what is the output of "cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | grep Prompt"
[04:13] <d4rl3n3> #
[04:13] <dax> denysonique: the default init daemon on a given Ubuntu version manages both its scripts and legacy sysvinit scripts just fine
[04:14] <Rooster> Ben64: "Prompt=normal"
[04:14] <dax> Rooster: change that to Prompt=lts, then do the -d command again
[04:14] <Ben64> Rooster: so you did change it....
[04:14] <denysonique> dax, I am talking about a userspace program for adding/removing them
[04:14] <Rooster> How do I change the Prompt?
[04:14] <denysonique> actually, enabling/disabling them
[04:14] <Rooster> I haven't done anything, honestly.
[04:15] <Ben64> Rooster: sudo nano /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[04:15] <smatic> how to access my home encrypt from live cd?
[04:16] <dax> denysonique: no idea how to do it on old Ubuntu that still uses upstart, but on modern systemd Ubuntus, sudo systemctl servicenamehere disable works fine for both
[04:16] <dax> (note: this is because i haven't used upstart in years, not because it's not possible, i assume)
[04:16] <Rooster> Ben64: Alright, I changed it. Should I try running the update command again?
[04:17] <dax> anyways, going afk
[04:17] <Ben64> Rooster: yeah it should work, might need a "sudo apt-get update" first
[04:17] <Rooster> Already did
[04:17] <snapsnail> Hello
[04:18] <denysonique> dax, thats nice, you are right, I just checked it out, and systemd successfully can manage an apache2 /etc/init.d/ script
[04:18] <denysonique> on 16.04
[04:18] <snapsnail> Are there any IPTables wizards out there?
[04:18] <reisio> snapsnail: #netfilter
[04:19] <Rooster> IT WORKED
[04:19] <snapsnail> Sweet, I'll check over there.
[04:19] <Rooster> Ben64: Thank you! How do you know this?
[04:19] <Rooster> I've been googling for the past month and can't get any answers.
[04:23] <Bashing-om> Rooster: Ben64 has a smart bump .. he rubs as required .
[04:24] <Rooster> I'm assuming that means he's intelligent, but the analogy weird lol
[04:25] <Rooster> I'm so damn happy right now
[04:26] <reisio> gj
[04:27] <Guest73494> Not sure if I should be asking this in #windows or #ubuntu; the answer to that question has gotten a lot more vague ever since MSOFT brought Bash to their OS.
[04:27] <EmberCrest> Always forget to do that.
[04:27] <reisio> EmberCrest: do what, ask a question? :p
[04:27] <Rooster> Lol, what's the question?
[04:27] <EmberCrest> Haha no, change my nick after I Identify.
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | EmberCrest
[04:27] <reisio> yay spam...
[04:28] <EmberCrest> Oh okay
[04:28] <EmberCrest> that actually makes things a lot easier, but this could actually apply well to my Ubuntu box too
[04:28]  * reisio headdesks
[04:28] <reisio> 'this' is a real problem these days
[04:28] <reisio> seems like it's affecting everyone
[04:29] <EmberCrest> If I'm running an older version of Ubuntu, is there any way to force apt-get to download the latest version of a package?
[04:29] <Rooster> Spam where?
[04:29] <reisio> Rooster: exactly
[04:29] <EmberCrest> Seems as though the version that gets downloaded is dependent on how compatible it is with the OS release.
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> EmberCrest: lets hope not an EOL version...
[04:30] <Rooster> oh lol
[04:30] <reisio> EmberCrest: there is no straightforward, simple way that I know of; technically possible, yes
[04:30] <EmberCrest> hm ok. I have irssi 0.8.15 and I want 0.8.18, but ubuntu-on-win is only in version 14.0.4
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> EmberCrest: and your versions is...?
[04:31] <reisio> EmberCrest: why do you want .18?
[04:31] <reisio> lotuspsychje: nice
[04:31] <EmberCrest> lotus: of ubuntu? 14.04
[04:31] <EmberCrest> reisio: SASL is incorporated by default; no need for a perl script.
[04:31] <lotuspsychje> !latest | EmberCrest
[04:32] <EmberCrest> !backports
[04:32] <Rooster> How do you guys know about all this?
[04:32] <EmberCrest> ^^
[04:32] <EmberCrest> Veteran Linux users I guess.
[04:32] <Learner> Hi guys, I have some questions about python in ubuntu
[04:33] <LambdaComplex> then ask them
[04:33] <Rooster> I've been using linux for about 3 years now and I have not even half the knowledge they have right now
[04:33] <EmberCrest> Well Linux has been around for far longer than 3 years.
[04:33] <Rooster> I know that but seriously, I feel 'noobish'.
[04:33] <Learner> OK, I am using ubuntu and kivy to convert an app in .py into .apk, but I think some of the extensions are not in the python-to-android recipes
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Rooster
[04:34] <Rooster> lotuspsychje: what?
[04:34] <Bashing-om> EmberCrest: " #irssi: Latest version: 0.8.19 " join #irssi for details .
[04:34] <EmberCrest> Bashing-om: doesnt really help but thanks.
[04:34] <EmberCrest> actually
[04:34] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: sometimes communication is a little bit more complex than an answer in stackoverflow
[04:34] <EmberCrest> it might never mind.
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: it means, if you dont have an ubuntu question plz use the other chat channels
[04:35] <Rooster> oh sorry, thanks!
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: meaning?
[04:35] <Learner> yes my question is about ubuntu
[04:36] <Learner> I have two versions of python in my ubuntu: one at /usr/lib/python2.7 and another at /usr/local/lib/python2.7
[04:36] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: I understand that sometimes the out of topic conversations can be counterproductive
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: they surely can, if its related to a specific issue..wich was not this case
[04:37] <Learner> if you guys don't think it's a ubuntu question, I will leave, is it more appropriate to be at python or kivy?
[04:37] <minitrue> lotuspsychje: yes, but sometimes even a small shift is condemned
[04:37] <cfhowlett> Learner, that is normal
[04:39] <Learner> the problem is in terminal, i can pip install modules, but after going into 'python', I get an error message saying I don't have that package. Is that a problem of not putting both paths as PYTHONPATH?
[04:39] <minitrue> I remember someone trying to fix a problem and he said that it all started with systemd that he was frustrated, and someone send him to #ubuntu-discuss
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> minitrue: thats not what i did...and lets dicuss this not here but in #ubuntu-discuss plz
[04:52] <Rooster> lotuspsychje: So, the upgrade is asking me if it should auto-restart the libraries instead of my manually checking each one. Should I do auto?
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: i wasnt following your issue with Ben64 sorry
[04:54] <wellytom> Yo guys
[04:54] <wellytom> i'm back
[04:54] <wellytom> well, i installed ubuntu o//
[04:54] <wellytom> thx for the help, again
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> wellytom: you remember who helped you?
[04:55] <Rooster> lotuspsychje, nvm I got it
[04:55] <Bashing-om> wellytom: gj .. glad you made it .
[04:55] <wellytom> i dont :( it was really fast haha
[04:56] <wellytom> btw, i saw on videos that the programs for ubuntu is easily found on ubuntu "store"
[04:56] <wellytom> but it seems to have a REALLY feel programs there
[04:57] <wellytom> its cuz the developers do not update to this new version of ubuntu?
[04:58] <kisb> the programs are there
[04:58] <Solarbaby> wellytom: you could install the Ubuntu-Mate-welcome, which is another Ubuntu store that I'd say is much more helpful
[04:59] <Bashing-om> wellytom: What release did you install ?.. 16.04 in in the midst of re-organizing .
[05:00] <wellytom> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[05:00] <wellytom> the first one I saw on the website xD
[05:01] <wellytom> maybe i should install some older version?
[05:03] <wellytom> and Solarbaby , i'll check this ubuntu-mate-welcome . Thx for the suggestion
[05:03] <Solarbaby> wellytom: anytime!
[05:06] <wellytom> solarbaby , i read in somewhere that exist channels from local communites
[05:06] <minitrue> Rooster: why do you want to use ssh to connect to irc?  if you want to have the content encrypted you can use ssl, how to do that depends on your irc cliente.
[05:07] <Rooster> minitrue: Well, not necessarily SSH, but I just want a secure connection to IRC
[05:09] <minitrue> Rooster: you should be able to configure that in your irc cliente, for example in irc you usr -ssl and port 6697 for freenode
[05:10] <minitrue> * in irssi
[05:10] <Rooster> minitrue: I stopped using irssi because Hexchat seemed to be a more supported program
[05:11] <Rooster> minitrue: and irssi is run from the terminal and I have no idea how to SSL with it
[05:11] <mohsen-rashidi> Hi. I want to connect to my Ubuntu box through my phone but the phone shows an error. I can ssh to my computer but not sftp. what am I doing wrong?
[05:14] <Zenn> hi guys, I know this has been asked almost most of the time, but should I switch to Ubuntu, coming from Windows 7 as Im gotten sick of the speed and security of windows, I downgraded from Windows 10 btw.
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: do you want single boot or dualboot?
[05:15] <Zenn> I have no reason to let windows run on my system, maybe the need of microsoft office etc
[05:15] <Zenn> but I think there is a open source one which is better.
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: libreoffice is installed by default on ubuntu
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: so we surely recommend installing ubuntu :p
[05:15] <Rooster> minitrue: so I just run ssl by command and put a server and port number?
[05:15] <Zenn> can we run office excel on it etc and vice versa
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> !download | Zenn
[05:16] <Zenn> so when I open it on a windows com it will work just fine.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: the libreoffice documents can be stored as .doc .docx etc also yes
[05:16] <Zenn> no formatting issues?
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: the ubuntu install is pretty intuitive and will guide you through the process
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: is your system uefi?
[05:17] <Zenn> I meant opening excel file vice versa etc on windows and ubuntu
[05:17] <Zenn> wont it messed anything up?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: the documents exchange well in between ms office and libreoffice
[05:18] <Zenn> uh that's nice.
[05:18] <Zenn> seems like ubuntu has the others covered.
[05:18] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: and there is a #libreoffice help channel, if needed
[05:19] <Zenn> another thing I have a intel 4000 gfx card with Nvidia 710m dual graphic card
[05:19] <Zenn> will Ubuntu install it?
[05:19] <Zenn> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz (2.60GHz) • Memory: 3.8 GiB Total (1.7 GiB Free) • Storage: 93.6 GiB / 465.4 GiB (371.8 GiB Free) • VGA: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA GeForce 710M • Uptime: 36m 52s
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: you can test ubuntu in a liveusb, check features for yourself might also be handy
[05:19] <Zenn> current specs
[05:20] <Bashing-om> Rooster: See: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup for SSL .
[05:20] <Zenn> ok need to install it on my USB?
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: if you enable internet/cable, enable updates during setup and 3rd party software ubuntu will try to choose best drivers for you
[05:20] <lotuspsychje> !usb | Zenn yes
[05:21] <Zenn> wow this is awesome
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: universal usb installer is pretty neat from windows
[05:21] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: perhaps also choose an LTS version
[05:21] <Zenn> well I have windows now
[05:21] <Zenn> o.o so how do I install it into my usb drive
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: choose the right ubuntu .iso at ubuntu.com and let the program burn it on stick
[05:22] <Zenn> yes the program ? any recommandation ?
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: universal usb installer (from windows)
[05:23] <Rooster> Bashing-om: I don't see anything about securing the shell.
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: other things to choose: your ubuntu flavor, your architecture and LTS or non-LTS
[05:24] <Zenn> the newest one is 13.04?
[05:24] <Zenn> x64?
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: no, 16.04
[05:25] <Zenn> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ ?
[05:25] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: yes thats the one
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Zenn
[05:26] <Zenn> any reason to use Others?
[05:26] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: well that is the users choice really
[05:26] <Zenn> well I will just use Ubuntu
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: there are likes/dislikes for everyone
[05:27] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: if you like unity, ubuntu-desktop 14.04 or 16.04 will do fine
[05:27] <Zenn> uh http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ which one should I choose?
[05:27] <Zenn> 32 or 64 bit?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: if your cpu is 64bit capable, choose ubuntu 64bit
[05:28] <Rooster> my question remains unanswered...
[05:28] <Zenn> yes 64 bit capable
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Rooster: its wise to re-ask once in a while, so other helpers can try to solve
[05:28] <Zenn> what is i386?
[05:28] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: 32bit
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: x86_64 the 6'bit
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> 64
[05:30] <ubuntu-mate> hello, I'm having trouble installing ubuntu, the installer gives me an error 5... says that my hardware is faulty, although it is working gine
[05:32] <ubuntu-mate> *fine
[05:37] <ubuntu-mate> any help or advice? I have not found the solution to the problem
[05:38] <Zenn> lotuspsychje, Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon, Core 2).
[05:38] <Zenn> I have a 64 bit
[05:38] <Zenn> Client: HexChat 2.12.0 • OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz (2.60GHz) • Memory: 3.8 GiB Total (1.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 95.9 GiB / 467.4 GiB (371.5 GiB Free) • VGA: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000, NVIDIA GeForce 710M • Uptime: 55m 47s
[05:38] <Zenn> but It isnt amd
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: yes, but amd64 is the general name for 64bit
[05:39] <Zenn> so it should work fine on install?
[05:39] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: if your cpu is 64bit capable yes
[05:39] <Zenn> it is 64 bit capable.
[05:39] <Zenn> oh alright thanks.
[05:39] <Zenn> :)
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: ok good luck mate
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: ubuntu version? uefi?
[05:40] <ubuntu-mate> 64 bit my computer is in bios mode
[05:40] <Zenn> is ubuntu open source? o.o by canonical?
[05:40] <Zenn> is there a place where I can see the source code?
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> Zenn: and welcome to the ubuntu community, if you need anything after install come back here
[05:40] <ubuntu-mate> I removed everything from the drive I tried installing the grub and it failed.
[05:40] <ubuntu-mate> I also tried installing arch and it failed too
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> !gnu | Zenn
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: you sure you disabled fastboot and secureboot?
[05:41] <ubuntu-mate> yes, I have it all disabled
[05:42] <mohsen-rashidi> I can`t connect to my computer through sftp but i can ssh to it. what`s the problem?
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: at wich step exactly the setup fail?
[05:42] <ubuntu-mate> generating the fstab thingy,
[05:42] <ubuntu-mate> and the installing bootloader
[05:42] <ubuntu-mate> leme get you the error from the ubuntu installer
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: are you manually partitoning?
[05:43] <ubuntu-mate> it is only one partition and one drive.
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: so ubuntu setup automatic partitioning?
[05:43] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: wich ubuntu iso did you download exactly?
[05:44] <ubuntu-mate> 64bit 16.04LTS
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: not alpha or daily or so right?
[05:45] <ubuntu-mate> yes, the normal one
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: did you md5 after iso download?
[05:45] <ubuntu-mate> the installer is now quiting when I select install
[05:45] <ubuntu-mate> no
[05:46] <clear`> im also having an install problem with 16.04, but im trying a few different things first
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: so the setup never reaches your harddisk?
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: what kind of harddisk do you have?
[05:47] <ubuntu-mate> it was going through the installation till the part of copying files and then quits midway with the error saying my hard disk is faulty
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: harddisk brand please? type?
[05:49] <clear`> is it a new or old drive? ssd?
[05:49] <ubuntu-mate> an old drive that came with the computer acer aspire 7720
[05:49] <ubuntu-mate> I cannot find the brand name or anything of that nature
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: hitachi perhaps
[05:49] <Xark> ubuntu-mate: Can you have windows do a scan of the drive perhaps?  Perhaps it is bad?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: in your bios, you can also see the brand of hd
[05:50] <ubuntu-mate> I don't have anything installed on it. I'm currently using a live usb
[05:50] <ubuntu-mate> no, I cannot find the brand name
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: can you reach to the ubuntu live desktop?
[05:51] <ubuntu-mate> yes, it is the one I'm using rightnow
[05:52] <clear`> ffs, im about to give up
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-mate: hdparm -i /dev/sdX
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> clear`: whats going on?
[05:52] <clear`> ill let you finish with Ubuntu-mate first
[05:52] <clear`> well he is gone
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> clear`: he left
[05:52] <clear`> fresh install, 16.04, getting reboot and select proper boot device
[05:52] <clear`> did boot repair
[05:53] <clear`> still getting it
[05:53] <clear`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16139550/
[05:53] <clear`> thats the boot repair log
[05:54] <ubuntuuser> In 16.04 my wifi doesn't work in network manager properly
[05:54] <ubuntuuser> I connect via wifi and it give me an ethernet symbol in the panel.  Is there a known fix for broken wifi in 16.04?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuuser: try a: sudo service network-manager restart
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuuser: your on a broadcom chipset?
[05:54] <ubuntuuser> lotuspsychje, is that a permanent solution?
[05:54] <ubuntuuser> lotuspsychje, i'm on intel wifi
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuuser: well i also had it a few times already, think its a known bug
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> clear`: explain the full story plz?
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuuser: if you file a new bug, ill mark me as affected if you like
[05:56] <Rhorse> could be old config. See if you can clear your config and start fresh.
[05:56] <clear`> well, wanted a larger ssd, going from 120gb to 240gb, i tried clonezilla, got the reboot and select proper device message, figured the clone didnt work right
[05:56] <clear`> so went through the installation of a fresh copy, getting the same error, tried boot repair as well
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> Rhorse: i got the same on fresh install
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> clear`: fres install on the new sdd fails at wich point?
[05:57] <clear`> its not the install that fails, its the restart after the install is completed
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> clear`: what happens exactly on restart?
[05:58] <clear`> black screen, reboot and select proper device
[05:58] <inocuous> grub prompt?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> clear`: secureboot and fastboot disabled? IDE to AHCI changed in bios?
[05:59] <clear`> tried both of those disabled, not sure how to change ide to ahci, i didnt see that option in bios
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> clear`: but you had an ssd before right?
[05:59] <clear`> yes
[06:00] <clear`> that ssd still works fine
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> clear`: so must be set to ahci already to work
[06:00] <clear`> k
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> clear`: but check anyway if you find in bios
[06:00] <clear`> doing another boot repair, will reboot in a second and look
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> clear`: did you switch ssd positions?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> clear`: perhaps priority isnt good?
[06:01] <clear`> laptop, only one spot
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> kk
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> clear`: wich new ssd brand?
[06:01] <clear`> intel, same brand as the other
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> weird
[06:02] <clear`> tell me about it :(
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> clear`: can you doublecheck uefi settings
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> clear`: its about the only that would make sense here
[06:03] <clear`> yea, using boot repair to purge and reinstall grub
[06:03] <clear`> maybe grub is acting up for some unknown reason
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> clear`: when not disabled, it can result in black screen with blink _ at corner
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | clear`
[06:04] <clear`> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16139615/
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> clear`: im almost on breakfast, if you cant get it right ping EriC^^ he's our uefi specialist
[06:05] <clear`> that didnt work ffs
[06:05] <clear`> ok in bios
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> clear`: did you manually partition?
[06:06] <clear`> secure boot off
[06:06] <clear`> boot mode uefi boot
[06:06] <clear`> i did not lotuspsychje
[06:06] <Rooster>
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> clear`: try legacy
[06:06] <clear`> !legacy
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> clear`: probably its blocking your ubuntu install
[06:07] <clear`> thats over my head
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> clear`: you will need a reinstall if uefi settings changed
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> clear`: normally you can choose uefi boot or legacy boot
[06:08] <clear`> oh, i didnt see legacy in there
[06:08] <reisio> sometimes we don't see things we aren't looking for
[06:08] <clear`> it was uefi and csm boot
[06:08] <XxNemoxX> Hello
[06:08] <clear`> lol im looking right at it ;)
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> clear`: reinstall quick :p
[06:09] <XxNemoxX> are you on a kano
[06:09] <clear`> another reinstall?!
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> clear`: yes
[06:09] <clear`> glad it only takes 20 minutes
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> clear`: 10min on my new 850 pro here
[06:10] <XxNemoxX> Are you on a Kano
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> XxNemoxX: can we help you?
[06:10] <clear`> was just guestimating
[06:10] <clear`> but yea its pretty fast
[06:10] <clear`> compared to the 2 hours of win10 install and updating
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:11] <XxNemoxX> no i was just asking are you on a kano or rasberry p
[06:11] <clear`> bought new work laptops for employees, did a fresh install because of all the bloatware installed
[06:11] <XxNemoxX> pi
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !arm | XxNemoxX
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> clear`: great idea!
[06:11] <clear`> i no longer use my pi
[06:11] <clear`> i bought 2 mini-pc's
[06:11] <reisio> SBC named after a rapper? :P
[06:12] <XxNemoxX> lotuspsychje did u say arm to me
[06:12] <reisio> interesting way to profit off rpis... bundle them with really expensive shiny peripherals
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> XxNemoxX: yes
[06:13] <XxNemoxX> ok
[06:13] <reisio> and then charge more :p
[06:14] <XxNemoxX> hello
[06:14] <clear`> lotuspsychje: installation type, if i select erase disk and install xubuntu, that will erase everything and do the partitions for me right
[06:14] <clear`> it should handle everything, or should i do "something else"
[06:15] <XxNemoxX> are u on a raspberry pi or laptop or pc
[06:15] <XxNemoxX> or a kano
[06:15] <reisio> kano is a raspberry pi, no?
[06:15] <XxNemoxX> it is but its mainly for kids
[06:16] <reisio> kids whose parents haven't taught them about frugality
[06:16] <reisio> or sensibility
[06:16] <reisio> you can get a full blown x86 laptop for the same price
[06:16] <reisio> that comes with a screen...
[06:17] <reisio> and the ability to be more than useless
[06:17] <XxNemoxX> NO Kids who want to have fun and are good at codeing
[06:17] <reisio> ...
[06:17] <reisio> think you're confusing wasting money and having fun
[06:18] <XxNemoxX> Its not wasting money Kano was built to educate
[06:18] <reisio> can't believe they sunk $1.5 million dollars on a way to assist children in overpaying for inferior computers
[06:18] <reisio> I mean I can believe it, but I don't want to
[06:19] <cfhowlett> XxNemoxX, let's move on.  the topic in this channel is ubuntu support.  other discussions belong in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:19] <XxNemoxX> wait are you from usa
[06:19] <XxNemoxX> Ok
[06:19] <XxNemoxX> bye
[06:19] <reisio> adios
[06:20] <cfhowlett> XxNemoxX, irrelevant.  stay on topic
[06:20] <XxNemoxX> Ok
[06:42] <Zenn> hi guys
[06:42] <Zenn> lotuspsychje, you there?
[06:43] <Guest84102> It seems like ubuntu dont recongised where I am from timezone
[06:43] <Guest84102> o.o
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> Guest84102: did you enable internet?
[06:43] <Guest84102> yeah I did
[06:43] <Guest84102> http://i.imgur.com/bn8vkZG.png
[06:44] <clear`> just check manual
[06:44] <clear`> and put in new york
[06:44] <Guest84102> Im from Singapore o.o and not from new York
[06:44] <clear`> lotuspsychje: i grabbed an older hard drive, going to see if the install works on that
[06:44] <clear`> oh, then just put in singapore
[06:45] <clear`> more than likely your ip is why it doesnt know, could be detected as proxy or something
[06:45] <reisio> no, new york!
[06:45] <reisio> no merlions here!
[06:45] <Guest84102> does not work.
[06:45] <Guest84102> my ip?
[06:45] <reisio> Guest84102: /nick merlion
[06:46] <Guest84102> lol
[06:46] <Guest84102> well some help would be nice.
[06:46] <clear`> Guest84102: you cant select singapore?
[06:46] <squinty> B
[06:46] <clear`> or hit manual and put it in?
[06:46] <reisio> not having to type SHIFT+G, u, e, s, t, 8, 4, TAB would be nice
[06:46] <Guest84102> there isnt Singapore at all
[06:47] <clear`> reisio: you shouldnt have to, tab should pick the last Guest84102 that has spoken in the channel
[06:47] <clear`> mine does atleast
[06:47] <clear`> konversation ftw
[06:47] <squinty> Guest84102,  you can use your mouse to click on the appropriate area on the displayed atlas
[06:47] <reisio> 'guest8' works, it's still annoying
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> clear`: to avoid the reinstalling gonna test another hd on legacy?
[06:48] <Guest84102> done thanks use the click appropriate method
[06:48] <clear`> lotuspsychje: already tried another reinstall
[06:48] <clear`> same thing
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> weird
[06:50] <clear`> i have that hard drive hooked up into a usb adapter, it works just fine
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> anyway breakfast here
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[06:50] <clear`> and i see the OS
[06:50] <clear`> have a good one, thanks
[06:52] <wonka_> hii^
[06:53] <clear`> hi
[06:54] <wonka_> where you from
[06:54] <wonka_> chow la
[06:57] <cfhowlett> wonka_, ubuntu support question?
[06:57] <auronandace> cfhowlett: he left
[07:00] <Zenn3>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-21-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.29GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.7GiB, 58.6% free ** Disk: Total: 454.6GiB, 93.9% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH ** Ethernet: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. CIe Gigabit Ethernet **
[07:00] <Zenn3> Uptime: 32m 11s **
[07:00] <reisio> needs more asterisks
[07:00] <Zenn3> lol
[07:04] <ubuntu_wtf> I tried to install Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 using encryption and btrfs and it failed misserably, has anyone figured out how to do this?
[07:04] <inocuous> https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/ubuntu/hexchat-stable
[07:04] <ubuntu_wtf> I tried to make /boot ext4, a root (32GB) of btrfs, and a home (1.8TB) btrfs
[07:05] <ubuntu_wtf> Does anyone have a recipe for btrfs+luks in an EFI/GPT environment to install 16.04 GNOME?
[07:07] <nolsen> For some reason libstdc++.so.6 doesn't exist in /usr/lib, but the libstdc++.so.6 package is installed.
[07:09] <akik> nolsen: it's in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[07:10] <reisio> ubuntu_wtf: needs more complication
[07:10] <akik> nolsen: you can use dpkg -L libstdc++6
[07:11] <TheOneLaw> X
[07:12] <Olotila> how do I run a program in terminal and continue working in terminal?
[07:13] <AciD`> use &
[07:13] <AciD`> at the end
[07:13] <Olotila> like command &
[07:13] <Olotila> ?
[07:13] <Olotila> doesnt work, my terminal gets flooded with error and I do not get cursor back
[07:14] <akik> Olotila: yes but it's usually more useful to open a new tab since the output from command is shown in the same terminal
[07:14] <Olotila> oh wait, It did work :)
[07:14] <Olotila> new tab?
[07:14] <Olotila> how do I do that?
[07:15] <akik> Olotila: oh you're not running xorg?
[07:16] <akik> Olotila: then there's the screen terminal multiplexer which enables you to have terminal sessions on top of each other
[07:17] <Olotila> I just use different windows
[07:17] <Olotila> how do I get that?
[07:17] <akik> Olotila: sudo apt install screen
[07:18] <Olotila> ah ok
[07:23] <lundmar> Olotila: sudo apt-get install tmux
[07:23] <lundmar> much better ^^
[07:24] <akik> not this tired subject again
[07:24] <lundmar> always that subject :P
[07:24] <akik> you can do everything with screen that you do with tmux
[07:24] <TinoDidriksen> After an upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 (I needed the newer packages), I'm getting tons of "can't fork" and "fork: Resource temporarily unavailable" from cron and postfix, even immediately after a reboot. How do I debug that?
[07:43] <linux> hello
[07:43] <linux> safsfsfsdfsf
[07:43] <linux> sdfsa
[07:43] <linux> fsdfadf
[07:44] <linux> sdf
[07:47] <IeePc> Hi there, i got some trouble with updated 16.04 (from 14.04) it stops booting with console login. After login, it tells me the file system is read only? As if i start up with the second choose in gruub-menue, "(upstart)" stand there, i get a normal desktop. Wnats wrong?
[07:52] <inocuous> I did a forced upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04. When I did, it booted to a grub prompt. Since I was using a USB memory stick I was able to just pull out the memory stick and reboot, and then everything worked normally.
[08:01] <mirrit> hey guys
[08:01] <TinoDidriksen> Well, I'm betting my fork issue had to do with TasksMax. Raised it from 512 to a million. Time will tell.
[08:02] <mirrit> hey guys i have just installed lubuntu 16 and my audio isnt working i cant hear anything
[08:02] <alfatau> hello all. is it possible to delete a btrfs snapshot without specifying the path but specifying the ID?
[08:10] <crestcore> Hi can any help with socat port forwarding issues
[08:12] <\9> !ask
[08:23] <crestcore> root@nuc:~# socat /dev/ttyUSB0,raw,b19200 stdout AT^M^JERROR:0C^M^JAA^M^JERROR:0C^M^JAT^M^JERROR:0C^M^JAA^M^JERROR:0C^M^JAT^M^JERROR:0C^M^JAA^M^JERROR:0C^M^JAT ERROR:0C
[08:24] <crestcore> This is the error we get when using socat.
[08:24] <decci> I installed check_openmanage plugin with nagios. Is it possible to see the plugin output under UI
[08:30] <Olotila> I put a shortcut Ctrl + Alt + M to command gnome-open ~/Documents/Muista/muista.odt but it does not work
[08:31] <Olotila> should I use " " around command or bash in front or sh in front or something?
[08:31] <Olotila> I tried something, but no effect
[08:32] <bq> what is the command for release upgrade?
[08:33] <inocuous> sudu update-manager
[08:33] <inocuous> sudo* sorry
[08:34] <bumblehead> i'm trying to understand ubuntu snap by running one of the example snaps
[08:34] <inocuous> you can force a devel upgrade but that appears to not to be recommended
[08:35] <bumblehead> I downloaded the webchat files
[08:35] <bumblehead> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/tree/master/examples/webchat
[08:35] <bumblehead> and I was able to build a *.snap package but am unable to run the package
[08:36] <bumblehead> I installed the *.snap package with this command $ sudo snap install webchat_0.0.1_amd64.snap
[08:36] <bumblehead> how can I run this webchat snap locally to see the result?
[08:37] <bumblehead> I see webchat when I run `$ snap list`
[08:38] <bumblehead> but webchat does not appear in the unity search
[08:38] <hackeron> hi there, I'm trying to upgarde from 15.10 to 16.04, I tried running do-release-upgrade with and without -d (after apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade) and I'm still getting "No new release found" - any ideas?
[08:38] <bumblehead> calling `$ webchat` results in command not found
[08:39] <inocuous>  ./webchat ?
[08:39] <bumblehead> no such file or directory found
[08:41] <inocuous> I had a similar problem with another app, but at the moment, I'm not remembering how I overcame it.
[08:42] <bumblehead> snapcraft documentation should include details for testing running packages locally
[08:42] <bumblehead> building a snap is not so useful if the result can't be verified or tested in some way
[08:42] <vbotka> hackeron, you might want to review the content of the files cat /etc/lsb-release and /etc/apt/sources.list respectively.
[08:44] <Thomas131> Hello! Can someone help me getting knockd run with just one knock-port? When I use at least two ports it works fine, but with one ...
[08:44] <hackeron> vbotka: /etc/lsb-release has DISTRIB_RELEASE=15.10 etc and sources.list is using standard official ubuntu repos with http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ in each line
[08:46] <freezer> hi
[08:46] <freezer> can someone tell me why iscsid is running @ Ubuntu 16.04?
[08:46] <freezer> i only have local drives
[08:47] <bumblehead> http://askubuntu.com/questions/745897/snappy-webchat-example-not-working
[08:48] <bumblehead> looks like snapcraft needs to snapbake in the oven a bit longer
[08:50] <vbotka> hackeron, have you tried "sudo update-manager -d" ?
[08:50] <hackeron> vbotka: yes
[08:51] <bekks> vbotka: you dont want to upgrade to development releases, usually.
[08:51] <hackeron> vbotka: managed to get it to start, if I edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and I change Prompt=lts to Prompt=normal, then it upgrades. Thought this was a lts release though
[08:52] <hackeron> vbotka: I guess maybe if you are not curently on lts, you need to set that to normal? - maybe it's a bug
[08:52] <Ascavasaion> I am running 14.04.4  all the howtos online say that grub config file is in /etc/default/grub.  I do not have that folder.  Can someone please tell me where else it can be found?
[08:52] <Ben64> hackeron: did you not read the file you edited
[08:52] <bekks> Ascavasaion: Then you arent using grub2, but grub1.
[08:54] <tothbbalint> Hello to everybody! I am new to Ubuntu, I have just installed 15.10 on my machine. I would like to ask, if I run sudo apt-get update, will it update my Ubuntu to 16.04? Because I would not like that to happen
[08:54] <bekks> tothbbalint: No, it will not.
[08:55] <bekks> tothbbalint: You need to use do-release-upgrade for upgrading.
[08:55] <tothbbalint> bekks, thank you very much!
[08:55] <Ben64> tothbbalint: 15.10 has ~3 months left of support though, why not install 16.04?
[08:56] <hackeron> Ben64: no, lol - but ah, that makes sense!
[08:56] <tothbbalint> I am using some specific apache/mysql/caching setup, the sys admin said our setup is not yet fully working on 16.04
[08:56] <hackeron> Ben64: thank you :)
[08:57] <bekks> tothbbalint: So he has 3 months left for fixing it :)
[08:57] <vbotka> bekks, yes, you are right
[09:00] <tothbbalint> bekks, yes, I know, but that is his problem, not mine :)
[09:00] <tothbbalint> I would like to ask something else, maybe it is a silly question, but I am new to Linux
[09:00] <tothbbalint> Can you please explain how can I use effectively the multiple workspaces?
[09:01] <bekks> tothbbalint: you can use them as having multiple screens, with different programs running on each workspace.
[09:03] <Olotila> how do I put shortcut key to command "gnome-open /path/to/file" ?
[09:03] <inocuous> It's hard to beat having two screens but workspace is the next best thing
[09:03] <tothbbalint> but for example, if I am doing some programming, and I would like to switch back and forth between 2 projects, can I run the same program independently on 2 different workspaces? like Firefox, my IDE, text editors, and so on
[09:04] <Ascavasaion> bekks: Grub 1?  how do I change to grub 2?
[09:04] <bekks> Ascavasaion: By installing it, most likely.
[09:04] <bekks> !grub2 | Ascavasaion
[09:04] <computer> hey ubuntu people, i need stupid flash in my firfox to view content can i install it through sudo apt-get?
[09:05] <bekks> !flash | computer
[09:05] <computer> bekks: i cannot through sudo apt-get?
[09:05] <bekks> computer: no, you cannot read that article through apt-get. You need a browser for reading it.
[09:06] <rud0lf> :]
[09:06] <computer> bekks: thanks, why do people still use flash? wasn't it replaced with HTML5?
[09:07] <bekks> computer: Ask the people building websites using flash.
[09:07] <computer> bekks: haha
[09:08] <Aussie_matt> anyone using the asus X205TA or intel atom chips????
[09:08] <MonkeyDust> 20 odd years now, waiting for the flash ... (silence)
[09:08] <AVP> привет всем
[09:08] <MonkeyDust> !ru
[09:09] <computer> bekks: what is up with the software centre in ubuntu 16.04? many things are missing
[09:10] <AVP> ghbdtn
[09:10] <AVP> привет
[09:11] <vbotka> Aussie_matt, I do. product: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525   @ 1.80GHz
[09:11] <Aussie_matt> vbotka: hi! is that one of the 64bit cpus with 32bit uefi?
[09:14] <vbotka> Aussie_matt, yes it's 64bit, but I dont't know bout uefi
[09:14] <computer> bekks: the page you sent me says to install flashplugin-installer from the ubuntu software centre, but it is not listed
[09:14] <Aussie_matt> vbotka: ok. you're running ubuntu?
[09:15] <vbotka> Aussie_matt, yes. 14.04 on this particular device
[09:15] <varaindemian> after "$ gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS" I got gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:15] <Aussie_matt> was it a nightmare to install, or you could use the normal canonical ubuntu image
[09:16] <vbotka> Aussie_matt, IIRC it was straightforward.
[09:16] <vbotka> Aussie_matt, from the DVD image
[09:16] <Aussie_matt> ok, that means it's not 32bit efi lol...
[09:21] <vbotka> Aussie_matt, very probably isn't, for the record http://askubuntu.com/questions/392719/32-bit-uefi-boot-support
[09:23] <computer> people i cannot find flashplugin-installer in the ubuntu 16.04 software centre to install flash, what is the problem with the software centre? there are many programs missing
[09:23] <Aussie_matt> vbotka: theres a massive thread on the x205ta, just be nice to talk with someone whos got one
[09:24] <EriC^^> computer: is the multiverse repo enabled?
[09:24] <computer> EriC^^: i am not sure what is that? how can i enable it?
[09:24] <EriC^^> computer: open the dash and type software
[09:25] <computer> EriC^^: ok
[09:25] <EriC^^> click on software & updates and enable it
[09:26] <swenzel> since I upgraded from 15.10 to 16.04 on my laptop the power saving mode doesn't work anymore. First time after boot everything is fine when I close it. When I wake it up and close it again I can hear the Drive being shut down but fan and led stay on.  Why doesn't my Hp printer just scan when i push the scan button? Why do I need apple or microsoft only software to scan? Why isn't it just push and scan, like the pdf button on libre office?
[09:31] <phaze75> Good morning, I have a dns resolving issue concerning hosts of my local intarnet doamin
[09:31] <EriC^^> computer: ok, configure it
[09:31] <phaze75> dns-search is set to "example.local"
[09:32] <computer> EriC^^: it broke, the ok button has diassapeared
[09:32] <kisb> for use in firefox
[09:33] <computer> EriC^^: its back again now but i cannot click it
[09:33] <phaze75> dns-nameserver is set to the dns ip
[09:33] <EriC^^> computer: try pressing tab
[09:33] <phaze75> hosts contains the hostname and the intranet fqdn
[09:33] <computer> EriC^^: ok
[09:33] <bekks> phaze75: And whats the issue?
[09:36] <phaze75> bekks: i cannot resolve other hosts within the intranet based on their intranet fqdn. e.g. if i try to ping them i get a "ping: unknown host oracle.suit.local"
[09:36] <miklcct> have you set up dns server properly?
[09:36] <bekks> phaze75: So does the nameserver know about that host? Does it have a record for it?
[09:37] <phaze75> bekks, miklcct: yes, all the host entries are made
[09:37] <phaze75> actually it is a windows server dns
[09:38] <miklcct> try typing `host oracle.suit.local` in the terminal
[09:38] <phaze75> and i use a dns forwareder via pfsense
[09:38] <bekks> phaze75: On that DNS server, does resolving a fqdn work?
[09:38] <Kartagis> hello
[09:38] <Sl4ck> Does anyone know which one is the file I can monitor with tail command to see if I am tracked in  the network?
[09:38] <Kartagis> ubuntu 14.04
[09:38] <bekks> Sl4ck: there is no such facility.
[09:38] <Kartagis>  no videos
[09:38] <phaze75> miklcct: that works
[09:38] <bekks> Sl4ck: You cannot detect wether you are tracked.
[09:38] <Kartagis> help?
[09:39] <mirrit> audio works within a game and it wont work on fifrefox :/
[09:39] <miklcct> phaze75: how about `dig oracle.suit.local` ?
[09:40] <Sl4ck> bekks: what Linux distro you use?
[09:40] <phaze75> miklcct: works
[09:40] <bekks> Sl4ck: How does that matter?
[09:40] <Sl4ck> bekks: just asking
[09:41] <miklcct> phaze75: Do you have an DNS resolver cache? If so clear it
[09:41] <bekks> Sl4ck: Guess which one, being in an Ubuntu channel.
[09:41] <Kartagis> ubuntu 14.04, chrome, no video youtube or otherwise. help?
[09:41] <Kartagis> bekks: uhm, Fedora?
[09:41] <alkisg> Kartagis: enable the "partner" repository and install "adobe-flashplugin"
[09:41] <Kartagis> hth
[09:42] <computer> EriC^^: ok it finished installing, what now?
[09:42] <bekks> alkisg: Pepperflash is already shipped with Chrome.
[09:42] <phaze75> miklcct: i already cleared the cache of the windows dns server. do I have caches also in the ubuntu client and the pfsense dns forwarder?
[09:42] <miklcct> computer: open chrome
[09:42] <miklcct> phaze75: yes, clear all caches in your network
[09:42] <alkisg> bekks: ah sorry I don't use chrome and I'm always reading that as "chromium", Kartagis sorry ignore my remark
[09:42] <computer> i dont have chrome just fire fox, will it work with fire fox?
[09:43] <bekks> computer: if you installed the pepperflash plugin, it will.
[09:43] <miklcct> computer: enable partner repository and install adobe-flashplugin
[09:43] <miklcct> the pepper flash does not work with firefox
[09:43] <bekks> It does.
[09:43] <kisb> it does
[09:43]  * alkisg doesn't think so
[09:43] <alkisg> Unless you use the wrapper
[09:44] <computer> EriC^^: ok it works
[09:44] <bekks> alkisg: Which makes it work in firefox. QED.
[09:44] <Sl4ck> bekks: Than if you use ubuntu you need to know as where is a shell there is a way. you should get dipper onto the linux mistery and you gonna find out how many incredible things you can do with Linux command line. Even other doesn't belive there is no facility to monitor via shell to see if you are tracked... Belive me always there is a way on linux, and I recomend you when you to get to the next level and use Slackware. Slackware will help you to have a better
[09:44] <alkisg> bekks: it's an experimental plugin and only works in limited scenarios
[09:44] <alkisg> It's not a recommented way to use flash
[09:44] <bekks> Sl4ck: There is no way to see it. Seems like you arent using Linux that long, dont you?
[09:44] <computer> EriC^^: so what is the issue with the software centre? there are many applications that are missing
[09:44] <alkisg> pepper is for chrom*, npapi for firefox
[09:44] <Kartagis> by the way, videos work in firefox (not 1:1 though)
[09:45] <kisb> lol its recommended NOT to use flash anyways
[09:45] <bekks> alkisg: Adobe Flash is not developed anymore.  Offline preferably.
[09:48] <phaze75> miklcct: done in ubuntu and pfsense. no effect.
[09:48] <phaze75> miklcct: btw: windows clients are doing fine
[09:48] <kisb> and watch illegal videos
[09:48] <miklcct> phaze75: that means you can 'host', 'dig' but not 'ping' it?
[09:48] <miklcct> phase75: how about traceroute?
[09:49] <bekks> phaze75: If you cannot "ping" it, enable ICMP responses.
[09:49] <bekks> phaze75: Thats not a DNS issue then.
[09:50] <phaze75> miklcct: tracerout does not work
[09:51] <bekks> phaze75: because it is named traceroute
[09:51] <miklcct> can you paste the output of traceroute?
[09:51] <phaze75> bekks: i can ping oracel.suit.local from my xen host
[09:51] <bekks> phaze75: So DNS is working.
[09:51] <alkisg> .local might be provided by avahi
[09:52] <phaze75> bekks: yes
[09:52] <bekks> phaze75: No fix your ICMP settings :)
[09:57] <phaze75> bekks: oracle cannot be resolved, not by ping and not by e.g. w3m. see w3m: "w3m: Can't load oracle.suit.local.
[09:57] <phaze75> ", ping: "ping: unknown host oracle.suit.local"
[09:58] <bekks> phaze75: unknown host means your DNS is NOT working.
[09:58] <bekks> phaze75: Did you try from a host next to your DNS server, without using your DNS forwarder?
[09:59] <phaze75> bekks: the dns server (windows) and the dns forwarder (pfsense) are working with my xen und windows hosts. but not with ubuntu. so it is a dns problem with ubuntu.
[10:00] <bekks> phaze75: Do you have the same problem when using Ubuntu next to your DNS server, without your forwarder?
[10:03] <decci> nrpe dead but subsys locked
[10:03] <phaze75> bekks: bypassing the dns forwarder does not solve the problem for ubuntu
[10:05] <alkisg> phaze75: .local is a special name for ubuntu, it's used by avahi for local multicast dns, did you try other addresses than .local?
[10:05] <phaze75> bekks: nsswitch.conf is standard: "hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns"
[10:06] <bekks> phaze75: so you are using avahi, which catched .local already.
[10:08] <phaze75> alkisg, bekks: resolving external hosts works, also static entries of the dns forwarder
[10:08] <bekks> phaze75: And you are still using Avahi, which catches .local
[10:08] <phaze75> bekks: obviously
[10:09] <phaze75> bekks: what can i do?
[10:09] <bekks> phaze75: "< alkisg> phaze75: .local is a special name for ubuntu, it's used by avahi for local multicast dns, did you try other addresses than .local?".
[10:09] <bekks> phaze75: Basically, use another TLD, rather than .local
[10:12] <phaze75> bekks: impossible, this the windows domain since 10 years. I never had issues with redhat, fedora, centos...
[10:13] <bekks> phaze75: Because redhat, fedora, centos, ... dont use avahi.
[10:13] <bekks> phaze75: All you could do is disabling avahi, and running into other issues, likely.
[10:13] <alkisg> There's a note for .local domains in the avahi documentation
[10:13] <alkisg> man avahi or somewhere
[10:14] <alkisg> It mentions what to do if you're running a .local domain locally, so as not to conflict with avahi
[10:16] <phaze75> alkisg: thanks, I see
[10:18] <phaze75> bekks, alkisg: thanks for pointing me to avahi. it took me hours of troubleshooting already.
[10:33] <troulouliou_div2> hi is there an official repo for openjdk 7 on 16.04 ; it seems it is missing in the official 16.04
[10:37] <alkisg> phaze75: the documentation about .local is at http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal
[10:44] <bekks> !info openjdk-7 xenial
[10:45] <bekks> troulouliou_div2: openjdk-7 does not exist anymore, in xenial, there is only -8 and -9
[10:45] <XLRAndroid> Hello there guys. I am running Ubuntu 16.04 using the open source AMD drivers that come with pre-installed. I have Team installed and whenever I run DoTa, it says running but I do not see any windows displaying the game, nor do I see a new icon on my left hand dock/taskbar. ANy help would be extrememly appreciated and would help me out a lot.
[10:50] <michiel_> hi Folks
[10:50] <michiel_> I can't install Chrome on 16.04.
[10:50] <michiel_> Install button does nothing...
[10:51] <EriC^^> michael_mbp: go to google.com and download the latest chrome
[10:51] <bekks> michiel: So got to https://www.google.com/intl/en-US/chrome/browser/desktop/index.html and download/install
[10:51] <Guest29742> It doesn't work...
[10:52] <Guest29742> the install button doesn't work.
[10:52] <EriC^^> Guest29742: download it and double click it
[10:52] <Guest29742> it's a serious bug in 16.04 if i can't install chrome
[10:52] <bekks> There is not bug.
[10:52] <bekks> Download and doubleclick.
[10:52] <EriC^^> Guest29742: try to open a terminal and type sudo dpkg -i ~/google-chrome...deb or ~/Downloads/google-chrome-...deb
[10:54] <Guest29742> npacking google-chrome-stable (50.0.2661.94-1) ...
[10:54] <Guest29742> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of google-chrome-stable:
[10:54] <Guest29742>  google-chrome-stable depends on libappindicator1; however:
[10:54] <Guest29742>   Package libappindicator1 is not installed.
[10:54] <Guest29742> dpkg: error processing package google-chrome-stable (--install):
[10:54] <Guest29742>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:54] <EriC^^> !paste | Guest29742
[10:54] <EriC^^> Guest29742: try sudo apt-get install libappindicator1
[10:54] <EriC^^> !info libappindicator1
[10:54] <ducasse> Guest29742: use gdebi to install, it will fulfill dependencies
[10:55] <Guest29742> that doesn't work for me either
[10:55] <EriC^^> Guest29742: sudo apt-get install libappindicator1 ?
[10:55] <alkisg> Guest29742: do you have 32bit or 64bit ubuntu installation?
[10:56] <Guest29742> well i fixed it, stupid bgs
[10:57] <Guest29742> it should just work out of the box , by clicking the "install" button...
[10:57] <Guest29742> sudo apt-get -f install
[10:58] <hem0> ..
[11:00] <Guest29742> I'm an experienced user, image a noob trying linux..
[11:01] <Guest29742> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/ubuntu-16-04-deb-software-install-error
[11:06] <Guest29742> how this can slip into an LTS release is beyond imagining....
[11:07] <alkisg> Guest29742: google chrome is *not* part of ubuntu
[11:07] <alkisg> It's a product of google...
[11:07] <Guest29742> But installing third party apps is part of Ubuntu
[11:07] <alkisg> And?
[11:07] <Guest29742> And that feature is broken.
[11:07] <alkisg> Right, so report it to google
[11:08] <Guest29742> *NO* third party apps can be installed through the software installer. That is not Google's fault.
[11:08] <Guest29742> Rather, a bug in Ubuntu.
[11:08] <Guest29742> One that has been reported in the media at least 2 days ago, and still no fix available.
[11:09] <kisb> use gdebi
[11:09] <kisb> really most long time ubuntu users aren't using the software center
[11:09] <alkisg> The media isn't where bugs are filed... there are bug trackers for this
[11:10] <jeffrey> hello room
[11:10] <Guest29742> If it reaches the media, you can be sure Canonical does something wrong in their testing..
[11:10] <jeffrey> is there a way to change the background color of an application in linux
[11:10] <keenor> Dear ubuntu people, I need some real help. I have an Issue where my web browser firefox/chrome/chromium is very slow... it lags loading a page and resolving and searching, YET: when I close browser and reload it is fine! 15.10 x64
[11:11] <Guest29742> keenor, do you have enough memory?
[11:11] <alkisg> Guest29742: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1573408 ==> fix released
[11:12] <kisb> jeffrey, you can customize in preferences
[11:12] <keenor> Guest29742: I have 32GB
[11:13] <jeffrey> kisb, do I have to running debian linux straight
[11:13] <jeffrey>  I am using linux mint
[11:13] <keenor> I have read that sometimes its an error with ubuntu search addon, which I turned off
[11:13] <keenor> I also read that it could be to do with dnsmasq
[11:14] <jeffrey> if I have to get debian, I will
[11:15] <Guest29742> I recommend to install something stable like RHEL.
[11:15] <ldsh> Hi, I've made the upgrade from 15.10 to 16.04, and now have the new software manager. I'm a bit surprised to see on it an update (1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-8ubuntu1) that I don't see in the update manager. How comes? Should I use the new software manager to do the updates instead? Can I safely uninstall the previous software manager?
[11:16] <kisb> jeffrey, am on ubuntu mate so am not sure what its called in mint but its a gtk thing. just right click on desktop where theres backgrounds and other settings
[11:16] <ldsh> Forget to precise, I'm using ubuntu gnome (official variant)
[11:16] <kisb> change is for all apps
[11:17] <jeffrey> there is settings, kisb
[11:17] <lionelmessi5102> Hey guys, I installed Ubuntu 16.04 but when I try to boot it stuck on a black screen with: /dev/sda1: clean, 122846/2383872 files, 883865/9526016 blocks
[11:17] <jeffrey> and I have gone there and tried everything
[11:20] <lionelmessi5102> Hey guys, I installed Ubuntu 16.04 but when I try to boot it stuck on a black screen with: /dev/sda1: clean, 122846/2383872 files, 883865/9526016 blocks
[11:22] <xcell> hi
[11:23] <xcell> exit
[11:24] <kisb> its /part
[11:24] <lionelmessi5102> Hey guys, I installed Ubuntu 16.04 but when I try to boot it stuck on a black screen with: /dev/sda1: clean, 122846/2383872 files, 883865/9526016 blocks
[11:29] <ldsh> And "apt upgrade" show me 10 package to upgrade.
[11:31] <Garethp> Hey all, I'm having a weird problem with my mouse over two installs (Ubuntu 15.10 and Ubuntu 16.04) and two different mice that work on different computers and the same computer with a different OS (Windows 10 as Dual Boot). The closest I can describe is... Unity doesn't release the mouse focus?
[11:31] <Garethp> On boot, if I open chrome or any other application, my mouse doesn't want to interact with it. Mouse clicks don't work, scroll doesn't work, hovering over links doesn't change the icon
[11:32] <Garethp> But I can interact with the main OS. I can click on the power button, I can click on the menu or open other applications
[11:32] <Garethp> When I click on the power button, then click in to Chrome it'll work
[11:32] <Guest71434> te
[11:32] <de-facto> are you using nvidia drivers?
[11:32] <Garethp> I am
[11:32] <de-facto> which ones?
[11:33] <Garethp> 361 it looks like
[11:33] <Garethp> Should I swap to xserver?
[11:33] <de-facto> what you mean, arent you using XServer?
[11:34] <Garethp> In aditional drivers, it says I can choose between Nvidia 361 drivers (which is selected), OR X Server Drivers
[11:34] <Garethp> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[11:34] <de-facto> i heard of some mouse problems with nvidia-304 solution was to use nvidia-340 on that device
[11:34] <Dev__> Hi, is there some gui utility to disable or edit mouse acceleration in Ubuntu 16.04? (The setting doesnt exists)
[11:35] <Garethp> I'll give 340 a shot
[11:35] <de-facto> Garethp the nouveau are the open source drivers, if they work fine for you, congratz, if you need gaming grade performance you probably want the proprietary ones
[11:35] <de-facto> it always depends on your gfx chip though
[11:36] <pedrocr> for some reason 14.04 isn't offering me a 16.04 upgrade
[11:36] <Garethp> I'm not sure if they work for me, they're just there. I'm not here for gaming grade, just for faster C++ and PHP performance while devving at home
[11:36] <pedrocr> doing a slow migration?
[11:36] <de-facto> !ltsupgrade | pedrocr
[11:36] <pedrocr> ubottu: is it possible to force it now?
[11:37] <Garethp> I'll install nvidia-340, then play around with which is best and report back
[11:37] <Garethp> Thanks
[11:37] <de-facto> good luck
[11:37] <Garethp> I hadn't considered that prop graphics drivers would cause mouse issues
[11:38] <de-facto> Garethp you might want to play with "xev" to watch mouse events
[11:39] <Garethp> Will give it a shot after reboot
[11:43] <ubuntu146> hello İ computer error boot (/dev/sda1: clean, 121563/920272 files, 701079/3680256 blocks)
[11:45] <de-facto> ubuntu146 yeah but we need more info for helping you
[11:50] <durgeoble> hi
[11:51] <Dev_> Hi, is there any app with gui to disable or edit mouse acceleration in Ubuntu 16.04?
[11:54] <Garethp> Well, that didn't work. Tried rebooting with open source drivers, remembered why I'm using Nvidia ones. Black screen
[11:54] <Garethp> Tried a nomodeset boot, which got me to login screen then went black screen after login
[11:55] <vkr> Hi All
[11:57] <durgeoble> hi, i want to put lubuntu in a bootable USB key and at the same time virtualice in any other pc the system so i can access anywhere, tried lili usb creator, works on windows, but dont boot and dont know how to virtualice in other linux or mac
[12:01] <blissi> !ops
[12:01] <kevin123> Dev_ you can disable it in xorg.conf
[12:14] <Dev_> kevin123 thanks! how?
[12:14] <devo> can someone help me installing packages on ubuntu 16.04?
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mouse_acceleration#Disabling_mouse_acceleration
[12:15] <Dev_> devo sudo apt-get install package_name
[12:15] <devo> im getting too many errors i know the command DEV
[12:15] <devo> im getting version errors
[12:15] <devo> trying to downgrade
[12:15] <devo> then I get new error
[12:15] <Dev_> kevin123 thank you!
[12:15] <kevin123> np
[12:16] <Dev_> devo what error do you get?
[12:16] <devo> dependency errors,  let me tell you one
[12:16] <devo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:17] <devo> I try to install that the dependent package gives another dependency error
[12:17] <kevin123> did you add a external repository?
[12:17] <devo> I did
[12:18] <kevin123> it might have too old or too new packages which is causing the issue
[12:19] <devo> what should I do now :)
[12:19] <devo> I removed some of the packages and now I don't know which are missing
[12:20] <devo> I need these packages " apt-get install lzop bison gperf build-essential zlib1g-dev zlib1g-dev:i386 g++-multilib libxml2-utils  bzip2 libbz2-dev libbz2-1.0 libghc-bzlib-dev libsepol1-dev dpkg-dev make libncurses5-dev ccache"
[12:20] <kevin123> I'm not sure, sorry, I had similar issues when adding the mariadb repository, was too much time lost so I wiped the VM
[12:20] <devo> damn thats why I dont like linux
[12:21] <kevin123> it's more of an issue with the package manager in ubuntu than linux
[12:29] <kappauni> Fala ae
[12:29] <kappauni> Tudo bem ?
[12:38] <jp_> Computer crashed using Ubuntu 16.04.  Computer issue not Operating system.  Now on Lubuntu but my memory stick has lost+found about 4k, with 38 megs info not accesible
[12:39] <jophish> how can I check how a hostname is being looked up?
[12:39] <Whir> jophish: tracerout
[12:39] <Whir> *traceroute
[12:40] <sidud> can we install ubuntu through a USB with ISO file
[12:41] <sidud> hey guys can we install ubuntu through a USB with ISO file??????
[12:41] <jophish> Whir: that was the first thing I tried however traceroute6 is unable to resolve the hostname
[12:41] <pintman> When considering DNS, you can use 'dig +trace google.com'
[12:41] <jophish> ping *can* however
[12:41] <rdark> Any idea why apt-cache policy $package is not showing a version that is actually in the repository?
[12:43] <kappauni> HI
[12:43] <kappauni> my mouse has been stoped.
[12:43] <rdark> (I'm trying to downgrade a package that someone mistakenly upgraded via apt-get dist-upgrade, and whoever installed that specific version of the package didn't pin it..)
[12:43] <kappauni> Please help me
[12:43] <kappauni> My mouse is microsoft 2000
[12:45] <devo> clear
[12:49] <jp_> somebody please tell me where to go to get help on issue I listed
[12:51] <Quellel> Sziasztok, egy drupal modul teszteléshez egy hétre ki tudna adni drupal hosztingot?
[12:54] <jp_> thanks
[12:56] <lionelmessi5102> Hey guys, I installed Ubuntu 16.04, but after I boot it stuck on black screen with /dev/sda1: clean, 122846/2383872 files, 883865/9526016 blocks
[13:04] <ksft> can someone help me get my custom keyboard configuration to work?
[13:08] <alby> qq
[13:10] <MonkeyDust> ksft  define 'custom keyboard'
[13:10] <ksft> MonkeyDust: custom keyboard configuration
[13:10] <ksft> layout
[13:11] <ksft> I put a file in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols, and I edited /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
[13:11] <ksft> I can add it to the list in the system settings thing, but when I select it, it doesn't actually change keyboard layouts
[13:13] <MonkeyDust> ksft  start here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Custom%20keyboard%20layout%20definitions?action=show&redirect=Howto%3A+Custom+keyboard+layout+definitions
[13:13] <marius_> good day MATE!
[13:13] <ksft> MonkeyDust: I've seen that
[13:13] <marius_> ubuntu mate is my current distro
[13:14] <ksft> I created the layout a different way, but that isn't relevant
[13:14] <marius_> comment to the start screen downloading thingy... should get a full list that patiently downloads everything
[13:14] <MonkeyDust> ksft  then you should start from the beginning, what have you tried so far and what goes wrong
[13:14] <firman> hay, anybody know how to rename and re-configure encfs folder? i missing some config at first time
[13:14] <ksft> MonkeyDust: I have the file in xkb/symbols/
[13:14] <ksft> it just doesn't work when I try to select it
[13:15] <grobda24> Hi, I thought I'd completely removed Pulseaudio but something still seems to be in there and I've had problems with defaulkt audio devices. For example "mpg123" still selects Pulse as the default (even though "mpv" does not but it might check then skip it). Also things like "pacmd list-cards" still work which is a PA command. How do I completely remove and block PA. I do not want it !
[13:17] <jophish> I can send mail to a user on localhost, but I'm unable to send mail to a VM which I share a network with
[13:17] <jophish> what must I do to enable this?
[13:18] <ksft> MonkeyDust: can you help?
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> grobda24  use synaptic to look for everything you want to remove, some packages point to each other
[13:18] <MonkeyDust> ksft  i'm not familiar with it, address the channel
[13:18] <ksft> okay, can anyone else help me?
[13:19] <MonkeyDust> ksft  that's not the correct way ... repeat your question every 15 minutes, until someone enters who can help
[13:19] <ksft> okay
[13:20] <ksft> it's been about fifteen minutes since last time I asked it
[13:20] <ksft> can someone help me get my custom keyboard configuration to work?
[13:21] <marius_> yeeeeeez... im having the same problem.. lets see
[13:22] <ksft> marius_: as me?
[13:22] <marius_> aye
[13:22] <marius_> what language_
[13:22] <marius_> ?
[13:22] <ksft> Lojban
[13:22] <marius_> hold on im waiting for spotify to install so i can root
[13:24] <marius_> ok
[13:24] <marius_> æøå
[13:24] <marius_> there
[13:24] <marius_> just add your keyboard all over
[13:24] <ksft> all over?
[13:24] <ksft> what?
[13:25] <marius_> system -> hardware -> keyboard
[13:25] <marius_> you see your language there
[13:25] <marius_> right?
[13:25] <ksft> "hardware"?
[13:25] <ksft> I'm using Unity, btw
[13:25] <marius_> yeah.. i use norwegian
[13:25] <marius_> ahh.. i have mate
[13:25] <ksft> oh, it's in the "Hardware" section
[13:25] <ksft> it should work either way
[13:26] <ksft> I see the keyboard in the list there
[13:26] <ksft> I added it to the list of selected keyboards
[13:26] <marius_> right... anyway you should see your keyboard setting there.. add your correct keyboard (language) over again, and delete the old one.. then test it
[13:26] <ksft> okay...
[13:26] <marius_> should work now
[13:26] <ksft> I can't do that
[13:26] <ksft> it doesn't show up in the list if I've already added that
[13:26] <ksft> s/that/it
[13:27] <marius_> hmmm
[13:28] <marius_> thing here i noticed is its a bug
[13:28] <marius_> when you install keyboard at setup, it still will go english on me
[13:28] <marius_> so i have to re-do it after install
[13:28] <marius_> but then it works
[13:28] <ksft> after installing whaT?
[13:28] <marius_> after installing linux
[13:28] <ksft> what?*
[13:29] <ksft> huh?
[13:29] <marius_> you talk about keyboard as in æøå right.. not midi keyboard you play music on?
[13:29] <ksft> yeah'
[13:29] <ksft> yeah*
[13:29] <ksft> it's not a new physical keyboard
[13:29] <marius_> right.. so you have english keyboard layout?
[13:29] <ksft> it's a keyboard layout
[13:29] <ksft> yeah
[13:29] <ksft> that's the default
[13:29] <marius_> exactly
[13:29] <ksft> so what do I do?
[13:29] <marius_> so the problem is you cant find your language?
[13:30] <ksft> I made a custom keyboard layout for it
[13:30] <marius_> there is keyboard settings somewhere in your menus .. if you had mate it would be easier
[13:30] <ksft> when I select it, it still uses the English layout
[13:30] <ksft> I understand that
[13:30] <ksft> I found the keyboard settings
[13:30] <marius_> yeah when you installed ubuntu?
[13:30] <marius_> ok
[13:30] <ksft> I selected the custom keyboad layout
[13:30] <marius_> and saved it?
[13:30] <ksft> sure, yeah
[13:30] <bodom> does anybody know a way to create a filesystem in a dynamic size file?
[13:31] <marius_> delete the old layout thats there
[13:31] <marius_> re-add the custom layout
[13:31] <ksft> there isn't anything to save, but I closed the settings window
[13:31] <ksft> you can't remove a layout if there's only one
[13:31] <marius_> it says you have a custom layout, like mine said i had norwegian keyboard, but i still had english keyboard
[13:31] <marius_> add another... delete the one thats there
[13:31] <marius_> random one
[13:31] <marius_> or make a custom one, so you have 2 keyboard layouts
[13:31] <marius_> then delete the one on the bottom
[13:31] <marius_> sucks but this is a bug
[13:32] <ksft> I can select ones that come with it
[13:32] <ksft> like Norwegian
[13:32] <ksft> ææøø--.,å¨
[13:32] <marius_> yep.. but your language was something else.. la.. something
[13:32] <sarbojit> Hi guys anyone knows the ubuntu kernel team's IRC channel ?
[13:32] <ksft> I can't use my custom layout, though
[13:32] <ksft> Lojban
[13:32] <sarbojit> thanks in advance for you help...
[13:32] <marius_> what country is that?
[13:32] <ksft> ...Lojbanistan?
[13:32] <ksft> it's a constructed language
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> sarbojit  #ubuntu-kernel
[13:33] <marius_> uhm.. ok
[13:33] <ksft> don't worry about it
[13:33] <sarbojit> thanks a bunch MonkeyDust
[13:33] <grobda24> MonkeyDust: yes, http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/pulseaudio ... tried removing "libpulse0" but that tries to remove everything, desktop environments and a lot more. I'll try others.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:35] <BuDy> hi
[13:36] <zykotick9> grobda24: are you _sure_ you want to remove pulse?  note, gnome depdends on it (i'm not sure about kde/xfce, they also might?)
[13:36] <grobda24> MonkeyDust: seems to have got everything else apart fomr that library. I wonder if there are some package errors not resetting things back to what they should be. Somewhere the audio default is still set to pulse <releases sniffer dog>
[13:38] <BuDy> do you know a french chat
[13:38] <zykotick9> !fr | BuDy
[13:38] <BuDy> thank
[13:39] <ubuntu892> Hey there, anyone has installed Ubuntu 16.04 Dual Boot with Windows 10?
[13:40] <BuDy> join #ubuntu - fr
[13:40] <zykotick9> grobda24: i'd strongly suggest running "apt-cache rdepends libpulse0" and check if you can really live without all those programs!  i don't run pulse, but i've not libpulse0 installed!
[13:41] <zykotick9> s/i've not/i've got/
[13:41] <ksft> hah!
[13:41] <ksft> I DID IT
[13:42] <ksft> I made a mistake and had two characters in a row for one of the keys
[13:42] <ksft> apparently that isn't allowed, but I just got the super helpful message "Error loading new keyboard description"
[13:50] <lerner> sudo iftop -F wlan0 should show in and outcomming traffic for wlan0, correct?
[13:51]  * grobda24 <sniffer dog returns>
[13:51] <Hydr0p0nX> can anyone tell me how to get udf dvd's to automount ? iso format dvd's and udf bluray's automount as expected ? udf dvds report mounting in dmesg but never actually mount, unless I manually mount it
[13:52] <grobda24> MonkeyDust: Hah ! Found it: "$ cat /etc/libao.conf ... default_driver=pulse ... quiet". Change "pulse" to "default" and the sound then plays.
[13:57] <lian> what is here?
[13:59] <akik> lian: ubuntu support by volunteers
[13:59] <mark999> When I try to uninstall firefox or thunderbird I get a message that Mate desktop will be uninstalled.  Can I not uninstall these?
[14:00] <baizon> mark999: this are meta packages
[14:00] <baizon> mark999: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[14:00] <Myrtti> mark999: you can, they're only meta-packages. Just keep in mind that when you want to upgrade to a newer version of Ubuntu, it will be a good idea to install those in before doing an upgrade.
[14:01] <mark999> OK, thank you.  I'll research MetaPackages but will leave them if they're important.
[14:01] <zykotick9> mark999: and _never_ run "sudo apt-get autoremove" after, or your DE will be removed :|
[14:03] <mark999> zykotick9:  OK, good to know.  I will make a note of that.  Thanks!
[14:04] <tambu> Hey folks, I installed Kubuntu to try it out.. but I think I'd like to switch back to Ubuntu.. can I just remove the kubuntu packages and install some sort of ubuntu packages to make the switch or is it more complicated?
[14:04] <zykotick9> mark999: probably after every apt run, you get a list of things apt wants to remove, and will suggest the autoremove...  "breaking" meta packages isn't the greatest idea, why do you want to remove firefox/thunderbird?  do you _really_ need the space?
[14:05] <EriC^^> tambu: if you just installed, i'd just fresh install ubuntu
[14:05] <tambu> EriC^^ :( I'd prefer to avoid that if possible.. I have it setup as a server with a lot of configuration.. multi-nic/webserver/nzb etc
[14:05] <mark999> zykotick9: I won't use them but got a message that updates needed to be downloaded.
[14:06] <grobda24> tambu: you should be able to swtich to normal Ubuntu at the login screen.
[14:06] <EriC^^> tambu
[14:06] <zykotick9> mark999: well, it's certainly "up to you", but leaving them might be the easiest... ymmv.
[14:06] <mark999> zykotick9: Yes, I am going to leave them now.  Thank you.
[14:06] <EriC^^> tambu: yeah you can remove them
[14:07] <EriC^^> i thought you meant you just installed kubuntu iso
[14:07] <Finetundra> Anyone know if I'd be able to get KDE 5 on ubuntu 14.04?
[14:07] <tambu> grobda24: I don't see any options to switch from KDE at the GUI login
[14:07] <EriC^^> tambu: it should be to the right somewhere i think
[14:08] <zykotick9> tambu: have you installed the ubuntu-desktop package?
[14:08] <deadmund> I have found this displaylink driver for my usb monitor: http://www.displaylink.com/downloads/ubuntu   and I had it working on 14.04 (which is supported).  Anybody willing to help be get it working in ubuntu 16.04?
[14:08] <deadmund> It isntalls fine but complains about the kernel version.
[14:09] <tambu> zykotick9: no I installed Kubuntu as the system install so I was hoping there was a way to "switch" to using" Gnome KDE isn't for me.. I'd like to remove KDE if it can be done safely too.
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> Finetundra  with a ppa, several howto's can be found, here's one http://askubuntu.com/questions/492599/how-to-install-and-test-kde-plasma-5-on-ubuntu-14-04
[14:10] <tambu> perhaps I should upgrade to 16.04 first
[14:10] <zykotick9> tambu: i'd suggest installing the "ubuntu-desktop" meta-package, which will install everything that comes with default "ubuntu"... then switch to it from the login screen.
[14:10] <tambu> zykotick9: hrm ok thank u I will give that a go
[14:11] <viju> Why can't I hibernate?
[14:11] <viju> Ubuntu 16 here.
[14:11] <MonkeyDust> viju  use pm-hibernate
[14:12] <wafflej0ck> tambu, Ubuntu uses Unity for the DE by default now too but there is an Ubuntu Gnome version if you want Gnome 3 or ubuntu-mate but believe ubuntu-mate has it's own support channel
[14:12] <viju> MonkeyDust: I want some kind of button that'd allow me to hibernate.
[14:12] <zykotick9> viju: "sudo systemctl hibernate" is the systemd based version, have you tried that?  hibernate on ubuntu are sketchy sometimes - good luck.
[14:12] <viju> I had done it in ubuntu 12.04, just not sure how.
[14:13] <MonkeyDust> viju  use a custom keyboard shortcut, that executes pm-hibernate ... use visudo to override root permission
[14:13] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: do you happen to know, does "systemctl hibernate" work on ubuntu without sudo?
[14:14] <Finetundra> MonkeyDust:
[14:14] <Finetundra> Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next'.
[14:14] <Finetundra> Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> Finetundra  better contact the ppa maintainer
[14:16] <viju> I guess this is the one I used http://www.howtogeek.com/113923/how-to-re-enable-hibernate-in-ubuntu-12.04/
[14:16] <viju> What do you think about the last part zykotick9
[14:16] <MonkeyDust> zykotick9  it asked the passowrd, just tried
[14:17] <zykotick9> MonkeyDust: thanks, good to know.  /me used an arch-based distro where it wasn't required, it shocked me..
[14:19] <zykotick9> viju: sorry, as far as enabling "hibernate" in the menu, i have NO idea....  best of luck.
[14:30] <aguitel> how to convert dvd files to mkv ?
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> aguitel  try winff
[14:31] <MonkeyDust> aguitel  or devede
[14:31] <aguitel> ok
[14:31] <shiori> aguitel, i think handbrake can do this
[14:32] <MonkeyDust> that makes three options
[14:32] <aguitel> i have the dvd files in my hd
[14:32] <aguitel> no dvd with me
[14:33] <Defiance_> aguitel: have you tried handbrake?
[14:33] <aguitel> never
[14:33] <destiny> hello
[14:33] <aguitel> i will try
[14:35] <gruppo1> Ciao!
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> !it | gruppo1
[14:36] <KeyboardNotFound> Can I upgrade to 16.04 without reinstalling OS ?
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> KeyboardNotFound: from wich version?
[14:36] <KeyboardNotFound> 15.10
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> KeyboardNotFound: you can upgrade yes, but always make a backup first
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> KeyboardNotFound: what graphics card chipset do you have?
[14:38] <viju> Last time it was Empathy, before that it was Pidgin, which multiprotocol supporting IM is good?
[14:38] <KeyboardNotFound> lotuspsychje, AMD Radeon
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> KeyboardNotFound: you have the radeon driver active or fglrx?
[14:39] <KeyboardNotFound> lotuspsychje, I'm using integrated graphics card
[14:39] <Harris> hi
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> KeyboardNotFound: is it hybrid?
[14:40] <Harris> I'm having an issue with login
[14:40] <Harris> can anyone help
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> !ask | Harris
[14:41] <Harris> ok so I'm trying to login on ubuntuforums. I already have an ubuntuone account, to which I'm already logged in. After I click " complete registration " it says " Your username cannot be longer than 25 characters." but my username isn't longer than 25 characters ... I can't find a contact link or something to get it sorted.
[14:43] <wafflej0ck> Harris, see the contact an admin section here most likely someone there can help http://ubuntuforums.org/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_contact_admin
[14:44] <Harris> ok, is this the adress<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:47] <ProficientWombat> So I heard that you can finally move the Unity launcher to the bottom of the display in 16.04.
[14:47] <wafflej0ck> Harris, yeah appears so apparently trying to avoid bots scraping for e-mails there's also the link there for Ubuntu One single sign on support, not sure anyone in the chat here admins or works directly on the forum (maybe but haven't seen much chat about it)
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> ProficientWombat  in 16.04 ... gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher launcher-position Bottom
[14:49] <neyder1> hello
[14:49] <neyder1> xchat isn't available in 16.04, can you recommend a new irc client? pidgin isn't good enpugh
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> !irc | neyder1
[14:50] <squinty> hexchat
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> !xchat | neyder1
[14:50] <Harris> icechat
[14:51] <neyder1> i'll try hexchat
[14:52] <curlyears> greets
[14:53] <Harris> I think I'm going to install ubuntu or something
[14:54] <Harris> been having issues with lubuntu :(
[14:54] <neyder_> Thanks bros
[14:54] <Harris> I can't install a language pack " Check your internet connection "
[14:54] <MonkeyDust> Harris  great, you're already in the correct channel
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | Harris have a pick
[14:55] <jeffo> so many! hard to pick one without trying them all
[14:55] <Harris> I've used Ubuntu before, I just thought of trying something new and maybe more lightweight
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> jeffo: check the website first
[14:55] <curlyears> jeffo: so many what?
[14:55] <curlyears> ah
[14:56] <jeffo> flavors of ubuntu, i'd like to try running it but don't know where to start
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> jeffo  Harris http://imgur.com/a/9iaLJ#cMfLqdM
[14:56] <EriC^^> jeffo: install unity, then use virtualbox to test out other desktops
[14:56] <curlyears> I can't say I've heard anything against any of the distros, but ubuntu seems to be a popular favorite
[14:56] <rsully> Has anyone here gotten 16.04 fresh install done with ZFS root? I tried last night but started running into errors and the guide I was using is only like 10% finished I'd guess.
[14:57] <jeffo> gnome looks good
[14:57] <daum_> hey guys i have a ubuntu 14.04 server which has two interfaces one public and one private, both are static ips configured like this: http://pastebin.com/h1Zx0QJ0 .  when i try to ping outside networks it seems to be going over only the internal one, so the destination is unreachable.  Any ideas how to fix that?
[14:57] <jeffo> EriC^^, thank you!
[14:57] <curlyears> jeffo:  I would recommend starting with the plain-vanilla canonical distro.
[14:57] <Harris> I've been pleased with Lubuntu so far, but some things still need work. It kinda feels unfinished
[14:57] <EriC^^> jeffo: no problem!
[14:57] <curlyears> jeffo:  the one from www.ubuntu.com
[14:58] <onano> Harris, if you have a low spec'd system Lubuntu is good
[14:58] <onano> but if you need more finish try xubuntu
[14:58] <onano> it's more polished in terms of UX
[14:58] <Harris> I know, but I'm having trouble getting the German language pack :3
[14:58] <curlyears> onano:  may I request a clarification of the term "finish?"
[14:58] <Harris> it says " check your internet connection " .. but I'm already connected to the internet
[14:59] <jeffo> so, i'm sorry to be so noob but i am going to install this as a second OS that i boot to right?
[14:59] <curlyears> jeffo:  that is up to you, usually
[15:00] <onano> curlyears, Sorry, Poor choice of words polished user interface is what i meant there.
[15:00] <jeffo> i'm also not opposed to just getting rid of windows totally, so could boot right to unity or xubuntu. Never done a dual boot system
[15:00] <curlyears> onano:  s'ok.  thanks
[15:01] <curlyears> jeffo:  persoally, I would shhit-can Winblows.  (disclaimer:  I am a rabid Microsoft/Bill Gates hater)
[15:01] <onano> Harris, try rebooting and then install sometimes this trick works
[15:01] <curlyears> what can I do under 14.04.4 with a .deb file?
[15:02] <deadmund> Is there a standard python module to move the mouse around / get mouse position / click and get clicks?
[15:03] <jeffo> curlyears, the crap with Win 10 has really pushed me over the edge
[15:03] <onano> deadmund, #python is the better place to ask python specific questions
[15:03] <deadmund> oh, haha, wrong channel
[15:03] <deadmund> sorry!
[15:03] <onano> np
[15:03] <curlyears> I have never seen nor used any Winblows past 7
[15:04] <akik> deadmund: https://github.com/rshk/python-libxdo
[15:04] <onano> curlyears, damn! /me looks at my Windows xp past
[15:04] <deadmund> akik: thanks
[15:04] <curlyears> i don't bel;ieve anyone has solved the problem of how to move a mouse under software control (barring the use of a robot)
[15:05] <akik> curlyears: xdotool
[15:05] <curlyears> onano:  I didn't use XP or 7 to any great degree, merely had exposure to them
[15:06] <curlyears> akik:  what is xdotool/
[15:06] <curlyears> ?
[15:06] <Harris> same thing
[15:06] <akik> curlyears: it let's you move the mouse programmatically
[15:06] <Harris> I guess I'll download Ubuntu
[15:06] <Harris> or maybe try a new distro
[15:07] <curlyears> akik:  given that mice don't include any form of propulsion, much less software enabled propulsion, hohw do they accomplish this amazing feat?
[15:08] <akik> curlyears: coding. it's some kind of black magic
[15:08] <curlyears> akik:  I am pretty sure you mean movement of the CURSOR.
[15:08] <curlyears> , not the MOOUSE
[15:08] <sarbojit> I tried sabayon for a while....
[15:08] <Samureus> there's a pesky little nag with nm-applet, you have to get the interface name from "nmcli d" in order for the network monitor applet to work
[15:09] <sarbojit> didn't find it charming enough ... !! :(
[15:09] <akik> there's some kind of sarcasm going on. luckily english is not my first language :)
[15:09] <curlyears> the cursor is on the screen and an indicatr of mouse positiion.  The mouse sits on the tabletop, and is mechanically and manually positioned to conntrol the cursor.
[15:09] <sarbojit> akik, what's your first language
[15:10] <akik> sarbojit: it's off topic for the channel but finnish
[15:10] <sarbojit> hey sorry akik, just was curious!
[15:10] <sarbojit> at my wits end setting up my wifi card in 16.04
[15:11] <sarbojit> it works sometimes and then just goes dead..
[15:11] <faultoverride> Hello,  I am trying to forward X11 through ssh.  Everything appears to be working until a program tries use opengl.  glxgears fails with Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual. glxinfo says it can't find GLX.  I can post more logs to pastebin if any one is willing to help.
[15:11] <sarbojit> till next reboot.
[15:12] <zykotick9> faultoverride: i rather doubt you can do 3d with X11-ssh-forwarding...
[15:12] <curlyears> sarbojit:  seen lots of people in your posaitioon.  I am guessing wireless sup[port is one of the areas of remaining instability, abd among reasons canonical does NOT recommend upgrading at this time
[15:12] <Smatic_1> find : file system loop detectd; '/sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl' ispart of the same system loop as
[15:12] <Smatic_1> ?
[15:13] <sarbojit> curlyears, thanks but I just switched from sabayon to 16.04 cause I wanted a decent distro to support my new skylake laptop
[15:13] <fkmdn> help! i installed a jawa app and it looks like c..p! what should i do?
[15:13] <sarbojit> I am fed up switching distros :-(
[15:14] <onano> sarbojit, skylake support is still pretty much WIP atm if i recall correctly
[15:14] <fkmdn> menus and buttons are barely legible
[15:14] <faultoverride> zykotick9 , that was my fear. I wanted to compare the performance to streaming games with the steam app.  Thanks for the input.
[15:14] <Smatic_1> to run ecryptfs-recover-private I get  find : file system loop detectd; '/sys/kernel/debug/pinctrl' ispart of the same system loop as
[15:14] <Smatic_1> help\
[15:14] <sarbojit> :-( but does it justify that I will not get a good support for the *this* NW card:? 0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[15:15] <sarbojit> As you can clearly see curlyears, Realtek 8723BE should be well supported.
[15:15] <fkmdn> not only fonts are terrible but dialogs are opened completely offscreen
[15:16] <sarbojit> Sadly it works but after a period of inactvity, it just goes dead.
[15:16] <sarbojit> Until I reboot again.
[15:16] <sarbojit> :-(
[15:16] <curlyears> saboyon:  I think you'd be better off with 14.04.4 LTS
[15:17] <sarbojit> and why do you say so?
[15:17] <sarbojit> Actually you're telling me to downgrade to 14.04.4
[15:18] <Samureus> ubuntu studio is nice, just sayin...
[15:18] <curlyears> sarbojit:  because the developers of 16.04 will tell you flat out it is NOT stable
[15:18] <Olotila> How do I make Nautilus go UP one folder with Backspace?
[15:18] <sarbojit> I see.
[15:18] <akik> sarbojit: there's newer kernels through kernel mainline
[15:18] <sarbojit> Will 14.04.4 support my skylake ?
[15:18] <sarbojit> I guess -no-
[15:18] <MonkeyDust> in 16.04.1 maybe
[15:19] <curlyears> sarbojit:   define "support"
[15:19] <sarbojit> in that case I need to do an *extra* work setting it up. -
[15:19] <akik> sarbojit: i have a skylake in acer f5-572g. power management seems to be quite bad
[15:19] <tme5> does anyone actually get better performance with the X intel module?
[15:19] <onano> sarbojit, you have to understand "skylake" : "pretty new" so, support (acc. to you) can be a bit of a issue
[15:20] <tme5> people are saying that it's not good except on very old hardware
[15:20] <sarbojit> curlyears, by *support* I meant things should *just work* out of box. I was an ARCH linux guy once but nowadays I really do not have time setting up the system for couple of hours that's all. I may be able to figure out the problem but that will demand time.
[15:21] <tme5> the sid package says it's discouraged https://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[15:21] <curlyears> sarbojit:  translation:   until someone with the right com,bination of the skills, the motivation , and a skylake in hand undertakes to makew it fully functional for the skylakw,, probably not
[15:21] <fkmdn> any help with jawa app?
[15:21] <sarbojit> So I wanted get it up and running as soon as possible without me sitting with it through the night.
[15:21] <firman> excuse me, can I rename or re-configure the encfs folder?
[15:21] <sarbojit> curlyears, I understand.
[15:21] <tme5> and yet it is installed by default on ubuntu. maybe there should be a more thorough h/w check?
[15:22] <sarbojit> I think may be I can have a deeper look at the wifi card.
[15:22] <tme5> firman, yep
[15:22] <firman> how to do that?
[15:22] <firman> tme5
[15:22] <sarbojit> also kernel spams PCIE error a lot.  May be an issue with power management.
[15:23] <sarbojit> The device might not be able to wake up after driver suspends it.
[15:23] <tme5> firman, man encfsctl
[15:23] <OerHeks> fkmdn, jawa ? or java?\
[15:23] <effectnet> i am having that error again, dunno what to do.  'maximum number of clients reached, cannot open display'
[15:23] <curlyears> again, sarbokit:  16.04 is officially in an "unstable" state at this time
[15:23] <sarbojit> hmmm ... I see
[15:24] <fkmdn> java no matter
[15:24] <tme5> firman, renaming the folder is done as normal. but encfsctl will let you configure it
[15:24] <OerHeks> fkmdn, try #java
[15:24] <sarbojit> thank you for you patience curlyears :-) Much appreciated.
[15:24] <akik> curlyears: what do you mean by officially?
[15:24] <fkmdn> i wont it's ubuntu which acts up
[15:24] <firman> tme5, okay got it! I'll try
[15:24] <sarbojit> akik, he meant that devs are still testing the distro... it might give you a few bumpy rides
[15:24] <sarbojit> know what I mean?
[15:25] <curlyears> sarbojit:  ok...not complely sure I wqas "patient" with you, but you're welcome anyway
[15:25] <nebg> anyone here knows of any free vps server ?  i don't need performance i just want to learn something about server management for linux, like setting up an email server etc...
[15:25] <sarbojit> curlyears, that was being patient. I had seen worse.
[15:25] <sarbojit> have*
[15:25] <OerHeks> fkmdn,  then give us some details, what ubuntu version, what java app, what java version, and your issue?
[15:26] <curlyears> akik: Canonical Inc. has officially labelled 16.04 an unstable release CANDIDATE.  Not ready for primte time
[15:26] <OerHeks> nebg, wrong channel, this is ubuntu support only
[15:26] <akik> curlyears: wow is it mentioned at ubuntu.com ?
[15:26] <curlyears> sarbojit:  *grin*
[15:26] <rsully> curlyears wat? source?
[15:27] <zykotick9> curlyears: what are you talking about?  16.04 is ubuntu's current stable release?
[15:27] <nebg> OerHeks, i'm on ubuntu
[15:27] <curlyears> akik:   try looking at canonical.com
[15:27] <fkmdn> 12.04, omegat, have no idea, fonts are unreadable and dialogs open offscreen
[15:28] <akik> !fud
[15:28] <curlyears> zykotick9:  canonical recommends upgrading to it until the official July release
[15:28] <rsully> curlyears I'm not seeing *anything* that supports this
[15:28] <sarbojit> anyone knows ubuntu's kernel team channel ?
[15:28] <zykotick9> curlyears: that's just LTS->LTS upgrades... it's always like that
[15:29] <Myrtti> curlyears: if you have the LTS version. If you don't, you're perfectly fine updating now.
[15:29] <Abhijit> hi
[15:29] <sarbojit> I tried ubuntu-kernel but its getting spammed
[15:29] <curlyears> canonical is who officially supports and manages the development of ubuntu\
[15:29] <rsully> curlyears no one is arguing with that, but you're not backing up what you said
[15:29] <curlyears> then why the warning that it isn't recommended for production servers?
[15:30] <rsully> again, provide a link
[15:30] <Abhijit> will kubunut 16.04 get all official security + other updates? or only ubuntu gets it? shall i get kubuntu or get ubunutu and then install kde?
[15:30] <fkmdn> Abhijit, they use the same repos so yes
[15:30] <curlyears> go look at canonicak.com's announcements re: 16.04
[15:30] <akik> curlyears: please provide a link to that information. otherwise you're spreading fud
[15:31] <curlyears> akik:  I don't have the link immediate;y to hand, but I DID read it.  I will go look for it, and bring in a linbk.  sowwy
[15:32] <Abhijit> fkmdn, ok. will get kubuntu then
[15:32]  * curlyears will hopefully be runnning 16.04 on a 64bit Pi3 creditcard sized computer
[15:33] <rsully> curlyears this is the only announcement I can find http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/04/20/canonical-unveils-6th-lts-release-of-ubuntu-with-16-04/
[15:33] <rsully> curlyears canonical.com does not have any info, it links to ubuntu.com and insight.ubuntu.com for news/press
[15:33] <effectnet> am i using compiz on my 16.04?
[15:33] <rsully> insights*
[15:34] <fossel> does anyone know why 16.04 out of the box makes a connection to an ip address in virginia usa as soon as you enable wifi?
[15:34] <fossel> a quick search shows there's a dozen websites using that ip address, many detected on virustotal serving windows malware, domain name resolution is https://secure-lvfs.rhcloud.com which apparently has something to do with updating firmware on Linux
[15:34] <curlyears> rsully:  OK, I clcicked a link on canonical.com and found the page I am referncing.  I didn't ntice it had changed sites
[15:35] <Hydr0p0nX> can anyone tell me how to get udf dvd's to automount ? iso format dvd's and udf bluray's automount as expected ? udf dvds report mounting in dmesg but never actually mount, unless I manually mount it
[15:36] <curlyears> rsully:  and though I admit it isn't my resposibilty to police the channel, we don't support 16.04 in here\
[15:36] <rsully> curlyears LOL look at the topic - such lies
[15:36] <autechy> curlyears: man, you need some reality checks
[15:36] <curlyears> ah, the topic has been changed.  I sit corrected.
[15:37] <curlyears> what, you thikk i STAND while IRCing?
[15:37] <curlyears> *blush*
[15:37] <fkmdn> my java app have illegible menus and its dialogs open offscreen what to do??
[15:38] <OerHeks> fossel, seems a legal linux update site for firmware, when your system boots, it looks for updates, also there
[15:38] <Myrtti> curlyears: we do support 16.04 here, it says so in the topic.
[15:38] <Myrtti> curlyears: so please, stop.
[15:38] <curlyears> when I join this channel, there areso many usernames being scroled that the topic scrolls off the screen way to fast to be read
[15:38] <Myrtti> curlyears: try /topic
[15:38] <curlyears> Myrtti:  I just did\
[15:39] <Abhijit> curlyears, you can turn off the join leave message in your irc software
[15:39] <curlyears> Abhijit:   using BitchX out of the box, as it were
[15:40] <soilentgreen> Hi! I just upgraded my ASUS ROG G751 to Ubuntu 16.04, seeing some weird issues with the trackpad. The only way that the click buttons work is if I have one finger on the touchpad, then click. Only the main button works. Any ideas?
[15:40] <Abhijit> curlyears, go to its settings and turn it off
[15:40] <fossel> OerHeks: yeah it looks like this is was it is > https://github.com/hughsie/fwupd
[15:41] <curlyears> Abhijit:  yeah, whenn I get around to custumizing my install, i will.  I have much larger problems to think about right now )-:
[15:41] <TheMarius> very nice job ubuntu! now my mate's set up allmost like i want it.. just gui tweaks left :D
[15:42] <Abhijit> curlyears, ok. was just telling you
[15:42] <curlyears> thanks. Abhijit
[15:43] <curlyears> once again:  how do I install a .deb?  I use spt-get on thisa sstem,
[15:43] <curlyears> apt-get
[15:43] <Abhijit> curlyears, 1. you dont. use package manager. 2. if you must double click on it or go to terminal and do dpkg -i packagenam.deb
[15:43] <soilentgreen> dkpg -i
[15:44] <jonatan> to install a .deb you use ubuntu sofware center/mintinstall or apt-get
[15:44] <curlyears> aah, dpkg.  THAT is where I misunderstood.  I thought I saw smeone say apt-get -i <packagename>
[15:45] <curlyears> jonatan:  apt-get failed spectaculary.  It dummped a listing of every line in the .deb, with the message "not found" after every one\
[15:47] <jonatan> sorry i can't help you whit that (i have never used apt-get to install a .deb)
[15:47] <soilentgreen> Yeah, you use dpkg. Unless you have dependancies... I believe then you would do just apt. Normally on Debian based systems, I'm using a GUI. If you were using a redhat derivative, I could easily tell you how to do it via cmdline.
[15:47] <curlyears> for the record;  I am a retired software engineer, and used to use ubuntu everyday in my work.  I am newly returned to using it after a 3.5 year absence, and I don't remember a lot of stuff.
[15:48] <curlyears> I  probably come off as if I thinkI am an expert, for which I apologize
[15:48] <soilentgreen> Ubuntu makes it easy to not remember. I don't think I've ever needed a man page on Ubuntu, unless I was using the server edition.
[15:48] <curlyears> by the by:  don't get old.  It SUCKS
[15:49] <Abhijit> curlyears.age -+ 50
[15:49] <Abhijit> -=
[15:49] <soilentgreen> Its all good. I just reject Windows and use Linux everywhere, even at work.
[15:49] <soilentgreen> Yeah, I'm trying not to get old. It's not working.
[15:49]  * curlyears <---  64 in July
[15:49] <akik> i learned something new a couple of days ago. if you install a .deb which wants some extra packages for dependencies you can just use apt-get -f install
[15:49] <soilentgreen> cool
[15:50] <soilentgreen> That's definitely useful.
[15:50] <Abhijit> not cool. its fixing things. not a recommended way of doing things.
[15:50] <curlyears> apt-get -f install <.deb-package-name>   ??
[15:50] <Abhijit> use apt-get or software center.
[15:50] <akik> curlyears: just apt-get -f install
[15:50] <Abhijit> curlyears, no
[15:51] <akik> in my case chrome and virtualbox
[15:51] <curlyears> someone in here recommended apt-get install <.deb-package-name>  the otherday.  Failed spectacularly, as Ijust explainf a few lines ago\
[15:51] <Harris> this is weird, I just updated Lubuntu and it says that I can upgrade to Ubuntu
[15:52] <Harris> doesn't Lubuntu have its own upgrades?
[15:52] <Harris> that's not an upgrade, it's a switch
[15:52] <Abhijit> akik, those are exceptions. and the provides who provide them are aware of it and take care of them
[15:52] <inocuous> I have to say, my firefox is behaving very well under 16.04
[15:52] <curlyears> can't use Software Center for this install  )-:
[15:52] <curlyears> wish I could
[15:53] <soilentgreen> To some of us who love Unity and really don't like LXDE, It could be considered an upgrade.
[15:53] <soilentgreen> ;-)
[15:53] <curlyears> inocuous:  mine isn't )-:  no one see,ms to be abe to assist me in finding out why.
[15:54] <curlyears> my thunderbird was misperforming aimilarly, but I noticed this morning that it is perfprming correctly again
[15:54] <lerner> what file manager should I use? thunar crashes quite often
[15:54] <lerner> 16.04
[15:54] <jonatan> lerner: bash
[15:54] <inocuous> what kinds of issues were you having curlyears ?
[15:55] <curlyears> inocuouss;  on pages which arelonger than one screenful, the scroll bar on the left is not performing as it "should"
[15:56] <Inocuous> I'll have to look at that. I usually mouse wheel to scroll
[15:56] <B0g4r7_> So I'm using gnome-session-flashback on 16.04, and I find that my Nautilus file manager windows, I'm not able to grab them by the edges and resize them.  They're instantiated at one size and that's what they stay.
[15:57] <lerner> command bash does nothing jonatan
[15:57] <curlyears> 1) no litlle up&down arrows boxes at the top&bottom, 2)  if you clicked anywhereon the scroll bar below the "button" the screen jumps to the very bttomof the page, if you click above the "button" it jumps to the very top  3)
[15:57] <B0g4r7_> Some other program windows are affected like this also, but not all windows.
[15:57] <Inocuous> I'm gonna try it.
[15:58] <curlyears> the only way to see content between the top & bottom is to "grab" the "button" and drag it (slowly) to where you want to view.   )-:
[15:58] <jonatan> lerner: bash is not a command
[15:59] <curlyears> it wasn't doing this at the beginnning of the week, just started appearing this way about mid-week.  Very irritating
[16:00] <zykotick9> jonatan: ahhh "bash" is a command, just see "which bash"...  i think your joke fell flat with lerner, and technically, you should have said "core-utils" ;)
[16:00] <Kosh> Afternoon all, anyone else having issues with thier bluetooth speakers not showing as an output option in Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome 3.18?
[16:00] <soilentgreen> actually, it is.. you run it to open a bash shell. If you are already in bash, it's going to open up a bash shell in the bash shell that you're already using.
[16:00] <fkmdn> my java app have illegible menus and its dialogs open offscreen what to do??
[16:00] <B0g4r7_> I like running bash within bash sometimes.
[16:01] <soilentgreen> Just like you can run ksh, if you have Korn shell, or csh for cshell... etc..