[00:00] <benkevan> You can switch using gconf..
[00:00] <Dezine> Hmm, is there anyway to move them back?
[00:00] <benkevan> gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[00:00] <Dezine> aha thanks benkevan
[00:00] <Dezine> I know it's minor but it irks me
[00:00] <benkevan> I prefer KDE.. and well.. they didn't f with those :D hahahah
[00:01] <Dezine> I have used both over the years but I always come back to gnome. Any major changes in kde 10.04?
[00:02] <apple_cat> Dezine: It's a bit less blue, and a bit more swooshy and grey
[00:02] <benkevan> As compared to? I dunno.. I really like KDE 4.4 :D.. I used GNOME for a while.. but dunno.. I am opposite.. I went from 3.5.10 back to 4.3.. now LOVE 4.4 :)
[00:02] <bpZero> i selected solid color background in profile preferences, but my terminal window still has a slightly translucent background
[00:02] <bpZero> where do i fix that?
[00:02] <benkevan> terminal config.. remove trasn
[00:03] <Dezine> Huh, guess I'll just have to install kubuntu and check it out :) I love trying out new Linux stuff
[00:04] <bpZero> there are three options.. solid color, image, and transparent background... solid color is selected and transparency amount  under transparent background is greyed out
[00:04] <bjsnider> benkevan, nvidia-settings is in main.
[00:04] <benkevan> Dezine: You can just install kde.. but if you really prefer you can do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..
[00:04] <benkevan> if you really want to go back.. I've blogged about "which apps" are installed with it: http://www.freetechie.com/blog/packages-installed-with-apt-get-kubuntu-desktop/
[00:05] <benkevan> bjsnider: That's the one I have installed
[00:05] <Dezine> Right, is there a way to backup a list of what I have installed now and then remove all and reinstall just those packages later?
[00:05] <bjsnider> benkevan, then i guess it works perfectly
[00:06] <benkevan> bjsnider: That's where you are wrong.. haha..
[00:06] <Maletor> I have an error that I get on boot http://gist.github.com/371506. When I restart into recovery mode and hit reconfigure packages I get this error: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2). When I try and do failsafeX mode I get a dialog box but my keyboard and mouse, which have always worked in the past, stop working. Nothing else can go wro
[00:06] <Maletor> Can anyone help me?
[00:06] <benkevan> what version do you have? from the same said package?
[00:06] <bjsnider> !info nvidia-settings
[00:06] <benkevan> Dezine.. check out my blog post linked above.. it has a list of all the KDE packages installed when you do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:06] <benkevan> if you want.. you can then go to /var/log/apt/history.log to see what else you've installed afterwards..
[00:07] <Dezine> Alright, will do.
[00:08] <benkevan> bjsnider: Don't see how that's useful?
[00:08] <bjsnider> how what is useful?
[00:08] <benkevan> the !info that you sent me..
[00:09] <bjsnider> you asked what version i have installed
[00:09] <benkevan> says nothing about the version only the nvidia driver version
[00:09] <benkevan> which != nvidia-settings version
[00:09] <bjsnider> 195.36.08-0ububtu2
[00:10] <benkevan> bjsnider: that != the version of nvidia-settings.. which is 1.0
[00:10] <tormod> ubuntu-one-syncd is waking up my CPU a lot according to powertop
[00:11] <bjsnider> benkevan, you cannot save your xorg.conf, or you cannot generate one, or what exactly is the problem?
[00:12] <benkevan> bjsnider: sudo nvidia-settings --> change some stuff --> save xorg.conf --> error because sanity check doesn't find information which doesn't need to be in xorg.conf any longer..
[00:12] <benkevan> bjsnider: sudo nvidia-xconfig --> error because sanity check shows that stuff that used to be required in xorg.conf (which are no longer required) don't run
[00:14] <TommyThaGun> how do you change the my video output from 32 to 16 in KDE?
[00:15] <bjsnider> benkevan, pastebin your xorg.conf
[00:15] <benkevan> http://pastebin.com/mEfWyN8C
[00:17] <bjsnider> nice to see nvidia-xconfig is still putting unnecessary crap in there
[00:19] <benkevan> ah.. now I think I may be getting it
[00:19] <benkevan> I have to do nvidia-xconfig then nvidia-settings
[00:19] <benkevan> but just need to install pkg-config first
[00:19] <bjsnider> benkevan, have you got an unusual setup, like a monitor with a broken edid chip, or dual monitors> because otherwise you should just use jockey's xorg.conf
[00:20] <benkevan> i have 2 monitors..
[00:20] <benkevan> 1 on laptop
[00:20] <benkevan> one coming off my docking station
[00:20] <bjsnider> so you want the other monitor int he xorg.conf
[00:20] <benkevan> BUT I only ever use one :(
[00:21] <benkevan> http://pastebin.com/v7xx5MG3
[00:21] <benkevan> now that's what I'm getting.
[00:21] <kklimonda> !find gobject-introspection-1.0.pc
[00:22] <benkevan> kklimonda: for me?
[00:23] <kklimonda> no, for me :)
[00:23] <kklimonda> sorry :)
[00:23] <Maletor> I have an error that I get on boot http://gist.github.com/371506. When I restart into recovery mode and hit reconfigure packages I get this error: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2). When I try and do failsafeX mode I get a dialog box but my keyboard and mouse, which have always worked in the past, stop working. Can anyone help me? I a
[00:23] <Maletor> running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Immediate-configure=false now
[00:24] <maco> Maletor: the only error there is the pretty boot splash. util linux is giving no errors
[00:24] <Maletor> either way running sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[00:24] <Maletor> gives me a login screen
[00:24] <maco> Maletor: try booting without the "splash" command though why you have usplash *at all* instead of plymouth is beyond me
[00:25] <Maletor> but i think gdm freezes because then i can't use keyboard or mouse
[00:25] <Maletor> because it's default?
[00:25] <maco> no its not
[00:25] <maco> plymouth is default
[00:25] <Maletor> in lucid?
[00:25] <maco> usplash was in older releases
[00:25] <maco> yes, lucid uses plymouth
[00:25] <Maletor> k then i don't know why this is happening
[00:25] <bjsnider> benkevan, just out of curiosity, did you upgrade from another distro, or is this mess off a clean install?
[00:25] <Maletor> probably has to do with second error
[00:25] <maco> what error?
[00:26] <Maletor> off of 9.10
[00:26] <Maletor> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details
[00:26] <maco> there's only one error in your gist, and that error is that *something that isnt supposed to even be installed* has a bug
[00:26] <Maletor> i am running dist-upgrade with immediate-configure=0 right now
[00:26] <Maletor> almost done
[00:26] <Maletor> all my services start up fine, i can ssh in when i get that memtest error
[00:27] <maco> ooooh woah hang on? your memory is fubar and youre *surprised* other stuff's broken?
[00:28] <maco> if youre getting errors from memtest, be more surprised that anything works!
[00:28] <Maletor> why is memtest broken
[00:28] <Maletor> maco, that's the error in the gist!
[00:28] <maco> no it isnt
[00:28] <maco> gist says nothing about memtest
[00:28] <maco> memtest tells you when your physical ram is bad
[00:28] <Maletor> well when i go into recovery mode and try memtest it says file not found
[00:28] <maco> memtest isnt a file
[00:28] <Maletor> my ram is fine, it's brand new and was working earler today
[00:29] <maco> its in your boot menu or on the cd
[00:29] <Maletor> well that's what grub says
[00:29] <Maletor> and it doesn't run
[00:29] <maco> whatever im going back to class. you cant seem to get your story straight about what's wrong
[00:29] <Maletor> are you kidding?
[00:29] <Maletor> because you can't solve it, you have to come up with something like that?
[00:30] <maco> you say memtest gives you errors, then you say that there's no memtest?
[00:30] <Maletor> i'm referring this line in gist
[00:30] <Maletor> [     14.218611] usplash:425 freeing invalid memtype fffffffff9000000-ffffffff9e00000
[00:30] <maco> that says its a usplash error, nothng at all about memtest
[00:30] <maco> and usplash shoudnt even be installed
[00:30] <maco> so when you boot edit teh boot line and turn off splash and see if it doesnt do that
[00:31] <Maletor> when i did sudo apt-get upgrade it said 326 packages held back
[00:31] <Maletor> so now i had to run apt-get dist-upgrade to get them to install and run it with immediate-config=0 so that i can bypass that util-linux error
[00:32] <maco> O_o given that apt preferences error before... are you *sure* you dont have some weird apt configuration thats breaking things?
[00:32] <Maletor> i haven't done anything to fsck with apt
[00:32] <maco> by default there should be no files in /etc/apt/prefereces.d/
[00:32] <Maletor> ls proves it is empty
[00:32] <TommyThaGun> I just don't think I can make the switch to KDE
[00:32] <maco> nor anything in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[00:32] <TommyThaGun> I feel like I genuinely tried it
[00:33] <TommyThaGun> but I can't do it
[00:33] <TommyThaGun> Maybe it's because my computer is too slow. KDE doesn't feel very responsive to me
[00:33] <Maletor> i fixed it !
[00:33] <Maletor> i am the man!
[00:34] <maco> TommyThaGun: ive found memory leaks in a few kde apps that i should get around to trying to fix at some point, so im not surprised. i regularly have all 4GB of memory on my system in use
[00:34] <maco> (granted, a bit over 1GB of that is firefox)
[00:35] <Maletor> thanks maco
[00:37] <TommyThaGun> wow, really maco? 1 gig for FF?
[00:38] <NinoScript> heeeelp! "Your disk drives are being checked for errors" 0% 1% 2% 3%4% 0% 2%4% 0%1% 4% 0% etc...
[00:38] <TommyThaGun> they are?
[00:38] <TommyThaGun> oh
[00:38] <TommyThaGun> what is the problem NinoScript? are you getting that message?
[00:39] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: yes!, it doesn't get past 4%, and if I press <ESC> it starts blinking and passing lots and lots of messages per second (I can't read what they say... they're toooooo fast)
[00:41] <TommyThaGun> uh oh
[00:41] <TommyThaGun> is it doing that during boot?
[00:42] <histo> Why are all the options for keeping files in the startup disk creator greyed out?
[00:45] <NinoScript> when I choose anything at grub
[00:45] <h00k> Lucid is planned to have iphone/ipod touch support with libmuxusb, yes?
[00:46] <h00k> oh, hey, and it works. nice.
[00:47] <Ken8521> h00k, what are you using to sync it?
[00:47] <h00k> Ken8521: Rhythmbox
[00:47] <Ken8521> can you sync pics/video to it?
[00:47] <h00k> Ken8521: it's not mine, but I did get it to sync musics.
[00:47] <h00k> Ken8521: I haven't tried pics/video and I don't really have a use for that
[00:47] <Ken8521> hmmm
[00:48] <h00k> Ken8521: but Music at least works
[00:48] <TommyThaGun> is it slow h00k? when I was syncing in 9.10 it took forever
[00:48] <TommyThaGun> is it still that slow?
[00:48] <h00k> TommyThaGun: no, and 9.10 doesn't have libmuxusb to sync it
[00:48] <terroh8er> hi guys, i just tried to install ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop and it sat at the purple loading screen for 15 minutes. any ideas?
[00:48] <TommyThaGun> it doesn't h00k, but I installed it and tried syncing with it
[00:49] <NinoScript> what can I do? :(
[00:49] <h00k> TommyThaGun: ah, okay. Anyway, no, it wasn't slow, worked as expected. Just like any other device.
[00:49] <TommyThaGun> I found something ont he web about how to get it to work with 9.10
[00:49] <TommyThaGun> nice, need to give it a try
[00:49] <TommyThaGun> I haven't connected it since I upgraded because I worried it might still be crappy
[00:50] <PatrickDK> heh, this is something I didn't expect
[00:50] <PatrickDK> just installed lucid server
[00:50] <PatrickDK> and the boot complains like 10+ times about plymouth
[00:50] <h00k> TommyThaGun: it did the albumart
[00:50] <h00k> TommyThaGun: apparently
[00:51] <TommyThaGun> yeah, plymouth has been sort of a problem PatrickDK
[00:51] <TommyThaGun> I've gotten errors too... so we know it exsists
[00:52] <TommyThaGun> I still haven't seen the actual splash though
[00:52] <PatrickDK> well, I didn't even think plymouth would be isntall when you install from a server cd
[00:52] <PatrickDK> the actual splash isn't worth looking at when it does work :(
[00:52] <TommyThaGun> oh
[00:53] <maco> TommyThaGun: 100+ tabs...yeah
[00:54] <TommyThaGun> oh.. that would explain it
[00:54] <TommyThaGun> why in the world would you ever need that many open
[00:54] <TommyThaGun> even for development
[00:59] <Pici> craigbass1976: you'll need to upgrade through 9.10 first
[00:59] <craigbass1976> I need to get from hardy to Lucid, preferrably as an upgrade rather than a clean install.
[01:00] <craigbass1976> Pici, I can't, can I?  Weren't the repos for Intrepid already shut down?
[01:00] <Pici> craigbass1976: hardy was 8.04, not 9.04.
[01:00] <Ken8521> craigbass1976, yes, but you'll be going LTS to LTS, that's a supported upgrade path.
[01:00] <Pici> 8.04 -> 10.04 is supported, 9.04 must go through 9.10 first
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[01:01] <Ken8521> exactly
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> interesting
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> that's good to know
[01:01] <craigbass1976> Right, I think I went from dapper to hardy, but it was a while ago
[01:01] <Ken8521> personally, i couldn't imagine keeping the same ubuntu OS on my machine for 3yrs...lol
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> well, sorta. I sorta like bleeding edge things anyway and will probably just upgrade to 10.10 when it's out
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> yeah
[01:01] <Ken8521> TommyThaGun, 8.04 to 10.10, i don't think would be supported
[01:02] <Ken8521> you'd hav to go 8.04, 10.04, 10.10
[01:02] <TommyThaGun> haven y'all seen the leaked iPhone HD?
[01:02] <craigbass1976> It's my wife's computer; I tend to leave it alone so nothing breaks.  No like at work where I can tell people to go pound sand
[01:02] <Ken8521> lol
[01:03] <Ken8521> actually, i think the Lucid Beta(at least for me), has been the smoothest of them all, and i've beta'd them since 7.04, and ran 8.04-9.04 usually in alpha
[01:03] <TommyThaGun> http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
[01:03] <Pici> TommyThaGun: Please keep #ubuntu+! for ubuntu lucid discussion, you can talk about the iphone in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:03] <TommyThaGun> oh
[01:03] <TommyThaGun> sorry
[01:04] <Pici> And I'm not doing well with typing tonight.
[01:04] <TommyThaGun> no worries, you got your message across
[01:04] <TommyThaGun> I don't think I like the default mouse cursor in lucid
[01:06] <TommyThaGun> but it won't change
[01:06] <NinoScript> should I just reinstall everything? :(
[01:07] <TommyThaGun> was that a fresh install NinoScript ?
[01:07] <TommyThaGun> what happened to make this error come up?
[01:07] <craigbass1976> What I'm worried about is how much firefox and thunderbird have changed under the hood.  Profiles should make the transition well?  And even if I back them up first, how the blazes will I get an old profile into the new version of the app
[01:08] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: Fresh install, then I installed typical things (Gnome-Do, restricted extras, Chromium, Docky), then suspended
[01:08] <TommyThaGun> it should be a relitively smooth transition craigbass1976
[01:08] <TommyThaGun> I would think that the only real danger you would face there is that some add-ons might not have newer versions
[01:09] <craigbass1976> TommyThaGun, in case it's not, go ahead and give me your street address.  I'll bring my wife.  ;)
[01:09] <NinoScript> when I resumed (it was not the first time I suspended) nothing worked, had to hard shut down
[01:09] <gartral> hey all, serious bug here. at boot, my system is set to 3.10 Ghz per core (i7 860, 4 core 8 thread). after the os loads and my ppanels come up, the CPU Scaling Frequency Monitor fails too show or allow me to scale to the Overclocked speeds
[01:09] <NinoScript> and it started happenning
[01:10] <TommyThaGun> have you tried loading in failsafe mode?
[01:11] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: yes, same behaviour
[01:11] <TommyThaGun> when you go into failsafe it automatically starts the scan?
[01:11] <TommyThaGun> then I don't know... I'm out of ideas
[01:12] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: :(
[01:12] <TommyThaGun> maybe ask someone like Pici, or maco
[01:12] <NinoScript> when can I find them?
[01:12] <TommyThaGun> umm
[01:12] <TommyThaGun> !ops
[01:12] <Pici> TommyThaGun: ?
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> oh
[01:13] <gartral> hey all, serious bug here. at boot, my system is set to 3.10 Ghz per core (i7 860, 4 core 8 thread). after the os loads and my ppanels come up, the CPU Scaling Frequency Monitor fails too show or allow me to scale to the Overclocked speeds
[01:13] <Pici> TommyThaGun: Please don't use that unless there is a real channel emergency.
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> oh
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> Pici keeps having to put me in my place
[01:13] <NinoScript> I think "channel emergency" was a bit too much :P
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> I guess I'm not sure what constitutes a channel emergency
[01:14] <NinoScript> Maybe a Troll?
[01:14] <craigbass1976> out of cigarettes
[01:14] <Ken8521> troll isn't a channel emergency
[01:14] <NinoScript> a horde of them?
[01:14] <Pici> yes, a horde of trolls.
[01:14] <Ken8521> NinoScript, i'd say a horde, yeah.. maybe..lol
[01:15] <NinoScript> :P
[01:15] <Ken8521> personally, it takes something pretty offensive/out there to offend me... i'm not against using the ignore feature... the ones that get me, are the flooders
[01:15] <TommyThaGun> haha
[01:15] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I can turn on cmode bridge in that case, gets rid of trolls.
[01:16] <NinoScript> damn, I needed ubuntu for my electronics stuff, I don't have enough software in MacOSX, none of you have seen a problem like mine before?
[01:16] <Pici> NinoScript: how long did you let it try to do its thing?
[01:17] <NinoScript> about 15 minutes
[01:17] <gartral> NinoScript: what went wrong durring installation?
[01:17] <NinoScript> never went over 4%
[01:17] <TommyThaGun> NinoScript, have you tried diagnosing it through a livecd?
[01:18] <Pici> Aye, I'd try a fsck via a liveCD
[01:18] <RambJoe> anyone use tucan manager?
[01:18] <gartral> have you considered trying the alternate install, kde, or even 9.10?
[01:18] <NinoScript> gartral: nothing during instalation, it just froze, and after a hard reboot, it wouldn't boot
[01:18] <RambJoe> it crashes when i try to start a download :( :S
[01:18] <gartral> NinoScript: intel mac, yea?
[01:19] <NinoScript> gartral: yes
[01:19] <NinoScript> Pici: so, boot from the liveCD, then run fsck in a terminal.. does it need any option? should I read a tutorial or something?
[01:20] <gartral> NinoScript: how far did you get with fsck? did you repartition anything?
[01:20] <gartral> NinoScript: you have PM
[01:21] <NinoScript> gartral: I didn't do anything with fsck, just the check it automatically does
[01:21] <Raydiation> no updates these evening, things seem to stabilize
[01:22] <TommyThaGun> today I had two updates for sun-java
[01:22] <TommyThaGun> at two different times
[01:22] <TommyThaGun> other than that, nothing for me
[01:25] <Raydiation> over the past few days i got like 1 update every hour
[01:27] <Maletor> Jockey isn't finding the drivers I need.
[01:27] <Maletor> I need NVIDIA - 195.35.08 ubuntu 2
[01:28] <Ken8521> Maletor, i believe jockey is dead on 10.04
[01:28] <Ken8521> !jockey
[01:29] <Maletor> jockey is so dead...
[01:29] <Ken8521> i had problems setting up nvidia and dual screens on my main PC, but i reinstalled the daily build earlier today to clear some tihngs up, and it worked perfectly out of the box, just like in 9.10
[01:30] <bjsnider> !info gnome-shell lucid
[01:30] <Maletor> i had the latest from the nvidia website installed
[01:30] <Maletor> but i like using the jockey ones better because it's practically the same thing and it updates with the kernel better
[01:31] <Maletor> how should i install and activate a driver Ken8521?
[01:32] <Ken8521> Maletor, like i said, i had a lot of probs with the beta 1 cd, and when i reinstalled today w/ the daily build.. it worked perfectly
[01:32] <Maletor> I can't uninstall then reinistall
[01:32] <Ken8521> Maletor, hang on..
[01:32] <Ken8521> then why are you using a beta?
[01:32] <Ken8521> is your system up to date?
[01:32] <Maletor> i can
[01:32] <Maletor> yes
[01:34] <gartral> my cdroms aint showing up!
[01:35] <Santneo> i want to be, in new realease.
[01:36] <Santneo> :)
[01:36] <Ken8521> Maletor, that should be fixed.. are you sure you're up to date?
[01:36] <Maletor> 100%
[01:37] <Maletor> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:37] <Pici> Maletor: you should be using dist-upgrade if you expect to get the latest packages.
[01:38] <Ken8521> dunno, cuz like i said, i had a lot of problems w that on beta1, then did the daily today, and it worked like always,
[01:38] <Maletor> Pici: I have done dist-upgrade and that results in nothing new either
[01:38] <Ken8521> Maletor, is it saying it can't activate, or something like that?
[01:38] <gartral> ooooook.. something went bork. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "cdrom0".
[01:38] <TommyThaGun> has anyone tested Gnome Shell?
[01:38] <Santneo> sure
[01:38] <Maletor> it used to say that, Ken8521, then I removed and purged a bunch on nvidia crap and now i'm booted in low graphics mode and jockey won't find the driver i need any more
[01:39] <gartral> TommyThaGun: whats that? as simple as it sounds?
[01:39] <NinoScript> I'm booting with a Live CD. how do I use fsck?
[01:39] <quidnunc> Anyone else having trouble with evolution sending mail through smtp on recent update?
[01:39] <Ken8521> Maletor, maybe try post #7?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1386207&highlight=nvidia+driver
[01:39] <TommyThaGun> gartral, it's gnome 3
[01:40] <TommyThaGun> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[01:40] <TommyThaGun> here are some screen shots: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour
[01:40] <Maletor> Will let you know how goes Ken8521
[01:41] <Ken8521> Maletor, although, i still suspect yoru system is not up to date
[01:41] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: I've tried gnome-shell
[01:41] <TommyThaGun> I'm not familiar with fsck NinoScript
[01:41] <TommyThaGun> how is it?
[01:41] <NinoScript> I like it, in fact it's really close to how I like to configure my systems
[01:41] <Maletor> Ken8521 i did apt-cache policy jockey
[01:42] <Maletor> and i get 0.5.8-0ubuntu8
[01:42] <TommyThaGun> interesting
[01:42] <NinoScript> you get an activity button, in which you can dinamically add more workspaces, search for applications, see all workspaces in an "exposé" view
[01:42] <gartral> ok, my system is saying i dont have the rights to read the cd. even as ROOT
[01:42] <TommyThaGun> I wonder if there is a way to test gnome shell without overwriting what I have for gnome now
[01:43] <NinoScript> and has nice integration with zeitgeist for viewing recent used files
[01:43] <NinoScript> no, it does nothing to the gnome instalation
[01:43] <gartral> TommyThaGun: yes. it can run in a window in your current session, says so right on home page
[01:43] <NinoScript> you open it with gnome-shell --replace
[01:44] <NinoScript> and when you want to comeback, you say gnome-panel --replace
[01:44] <NinoScript> about 2 or 3 weeks ago, I played alot with it
[01:44] <NinoScript> :P
[01:45] <quidnunc> Let me phrase my question differently: Is anyone not having problems sending mail via smtp using evolution?
[01:45] <Ken8521> quidnunc, don't use evolution, i think it sucks.
[01:45] <Ken8521> t-bird 3 looks fantastic
[01:46]  * charlie-tca uses claws-mail
[01:46] <quidnunc> Ken8521: Thanks for letting me know.
[01:46] <Ken8521> quidnunc, didn't want you to think you were being annoyed
[01:46] <Ken8521> *ignored
[01:47] <Maletor> Ken8521: now it says nvidia_current in jockey and that it is activated but not currently in use. nvidia-settings shows 195.36.15
[01:48] <Ken8521> have you tried restarting after activating it?
[01:49] <Maletor> yes and it shows up like it looks nice, but it is still finding 195.36.15 i think jockey would like to use 195.36.08ubuntu2 if i'm not mistaken
[01:49] <NinoScript> yay! "fsck -fyv /dev/x" solved it, if you hadn't mentioned "fsck" I would never have repaired it, as I'm quite noob with linux :P
[01:50] <Ken8521> Maletor, dunno, like i said, you're describing almost exactly the problem i had back when i first installed beta1
[01:50] <aldaek> 10.04 will not have the new menu, correct?
[01:50] <Maletor> so can we expect this to be smoothed out by apr 28?
[01:51] <Ken8521> Maletor, its supposed to be smoothed out now, thus why i don't understand your problem, what kernel are you using?
[01:51] <Ken8521> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1458252&highlight=nvidia
[01:51] <Maletor> the latest
[01:51] <bpZero> grub-install --root-directory=...   fails when the path has a a space, even if you quote or escape it
[01:52] <Maletor> 2.6.32
[01:53] <Ken8521> Maletor, dunno, i can't offer any further assistance
[01:53] <bjsnider> Ken8521, he said he used the nvidia-installer at one point. you can't do that in lucid without pooching things
[01:54] <Ken8521> bjsnider, well, i'd say thats his issue then, i didn't see him mention that
[01:54] <bjsnider> yes,  you're on your own if you do that. it's unsupported totally
[01:55] <Maletor> bjsnider: yes i used sh "NVIDIA-version" and went through their install
[01:55] <Maletor> what now?
[01:55] <Ken8521> Maletor, well, you definitely borked somethign then, i've read others having issues w/ lucid and the nvidia driver, i'm guessing that is your problem
[01:55] <bjsnider> Maletor, sorry, no offense to you personally, but i'm not going to go there.
[01:56] <Ken8521> lol
[01:56] <Ken8521> sudo apt-get reinstall
[01:56] <bjsnider> i would do a wipe/reload
[01:56] <Maletor> i did do a sh "NVIDIA-version --uninstall"
[01:56] <histo> Hrm. I just put a daily build on usb and booted. The splash screen is differrent than the one on my hd install?  Its dist-upgraded all the way. Its like the splash never got updated though on my hd instlal
[01:57] <Ken8521> histo, i did the daily build this morning, looks the same t me.. maybe i'm crazy though.. :)
[01:57] <histo> Trying to avoid reinstalling the hd install rather just keep dist-upgrading
[01:57] <histo> Ken8521: well my splash on my hd install is real low res
[01:57] <thomas001> hi i am running lucid on my thinkpad. after some time of inactivity the screen is dimmed to the lowest brightness. when there is activity again the display becomes brighter again, but the original brightness is not restored...the screen is darker than before. is this a bug or intentional when using battery?
[01:57] <Ken8521> histo, yup
[01:58] <histo> Ken8521: when I booted the daily of usb the splash was real high quality
[01:58] <the_dark_warrio> I'mm trying to turn my ubuntu on, but it stucks on a "Disk Check", which slows down when 70% reaches. It's checking the disk for an hour for now. Any one experiencing the same situation?
[01:58] <Ken8521> histo, thats why i usually clean install after all the beta stuff is done, and its finally released.. i'm convinced some stuff just doesn't update
[01:58] <histo> Ken8521: and hi res it appeared
[01:59] <histo> Ken8521: Yeah I can confirmt hat the splash doesn't
[01:59] <histo> Ken8521: also the theme switching it never goes to the new default themee
[01:59] <Ken8521> yup.
[02:00] <Ken8521> lucid has been amazingly stable since beta1 on my two machines.
[02:00] <Ken8521> desktop had some minor issues, but they cleared up by beta2.
[02:01] <histo> Unbeleveable how fast it ran of usb lol.
[02:01] <Ken8521> i've not tried a usb install
[02:02] <johnjohn101> how do I find out if a bug in 10.04 has been reported?
[02:03] <Ken8521> Maletor, did you upgrade the problem machine, from 9.10, or is this a clean install of 10.04
[02:03] <Ken8521> ?
[02:03] <johnjohn101> I installed it at the last alpha and have upgraded it since
[02:03] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, ask your question, if its a bug, someone here will probably already know about it.
[02:03] <sivel> hey guys, recently did an upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04, since then I have lost audio.  even though I have the indicator applet I don't see anything for sound...
[02:03] <Maletor> Ken8521: upgrade form 9.10
[02:04] <sivel> I do hear sound when I get to the login screen.
[02:04] <johnjohn101> i'm using vmware and every once in while it loses the mouse
[02:04] <johnjohn101> i have to reboot
[02:04] <Ken8521> sivel, click it and see if its muted(i know it sounds ridiculous, but its muted by default)
[02:04] <sivel> Ken8521: System->Preferences->Sound shows that it is not.
[02:05] <Ken8521> hmm.
[02:05] <Ken8521> dunno.
[02:05] <histo> sivel: I had the same but a while back can't remember what I did to fix it. Some setting in gconf I believe. sound was messed with my user.
[02:05] <sivel> bah, got it working
[02:05] <sivel> still don't see the audio applet
[02:06] <sivel> had to use alsamixer to adjust volumes on "speaker" and now it is working
[02:06] <Ken8521> but you don't have a sound icon in your panel?
[02:07] <sivel> no, I don't and as I read it is now part of the indicator applet
[02:07] <sivel> which I have
[02:07] <Ken8521> right..
[02:07] <Ken8521> have you tried adding indicator applet to your panel?
[02:07] <sivel> it just provides, wifi, bluetooth and batter right now
[02:07] <sivel> yeah, I actually removed and then re-added it
[02:08] <Ken8521> look in synaptic, and see if you have indicator-sound installed
[02:08] <histo> Has anyone used usb-creator-gtk in lucid?  System > Admin > startup disk
[02:08] <Ken8521> not yet
[02:09] <Maletor> Ken8521: i'm in low graphics mode and it can't find anything for me
[02:09] <sivel> Ken8521: no I don't have it installed
[02:09] <Blue11> no i cheated and took my usb dvd drive over to my netbook
[02:09] <Ken8521> sivel, i'd say thats probably your issue
[02:09] <sivel> yep
[02:09] <histo> I'm unable to select any of the persistent options
[02:09] <Ken8521> try installing it, then adding it back to panel again
[02:10] <histo> Looks like its all jacked right now.
[02:10] <sivel> strange that it didn't install during the upgrade
[02:10] <Ken8521> sivel, yeah.. i clean installed, and it was there, but you're right, that does seem odd
[02:10] <gartral> Blue11: heh. did it the SLOOOOOWW way, huh?
[02:11] <Volkodav> is medibuntu down for 2 days now ?
[02:11] <sivel> alright, well it's installed and working
[02:11] <_pg_> installing beta2 on VirtualBox (latest) on osx 10.6.3, the firefox logo is messed up. where should I report this? (if at all)
[02:11] <Ken8521> sivel, well sing the hallelujah chorus
[02:11] <Ken8521> lol
[02:11] <Blue11> gartral: I did it "the i know this will work" way
[02:11] <Loki> 31
[02:12] <johnjohn101> do you think my problem will be resolved in the rc?  I didnt have it with 9.10.
[02:13] <Maletor> How do I fix the error where jockey will not give me any drivers to activate?
[02:13] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, are you referring to during the install or after intall?
[02:13] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, i'd say that depennds on whether its an ubuntu problem, or if its a vmware problem... just because it wasn't there with 9.10, doesn't mean its an ubuntu problem when you upgraded
[02:14] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810 possible work-around at http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[02:15] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: during
[02:15] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, known bug - licensing issue with Firefox
[02:15] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, lol, added the link to the factoid, huh?
[02:15] <johnjohn101> ken8521: i'll guess i'll have to see if it's fixed in the rc.  is there a link to look up existing bugs?
[02:15] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: thanks! is it all over or only in VirtualBox? could you direct me to this bug
[02:15] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, is that what it is?.. i read it was a 'legal issue'.. but wasn't sure that was the real reason
[02:16] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, in #ubuntu+1 if you refer to a bug ubottu will automatically add stuff
[02:16] <Ken8521> oh really?.. clever
[02:16] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, all over
[02:16] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: where can I learn more?
[02:17] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, i don't know the background really (i hope it's not a legal thing - but have certainly not seen anything about that being the cause)
[02:17] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, it was in a link i saw earlier.. said it was a "legal issue"...
[02:17] <c0vert> that was unfortunate, tried to restart my laptop and it just hung...
[02:18] <d33d> hi, I need some help installing medibuntu repositories and gpg key to install the packages...can someone help?
[02:19] <Ken8521> d33d, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[02:19] <Ken8521> d33d, use one of the mirrors, then to add the gpg key, use the instructions on the medibuntu site(just for the gpg key, nothing else)
[02:20] <_pg_> Ken8521: ZykoticK9 more info on the case of the missing firefox?
[02:20] <Ken8521> ?... i have no idea what you're talking about
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, i'm trying to remember what the installer is called - i did file a bug about the missing firefox icon
[02:20] <_pg_> Ken8521: lol do you have any idea where I could find out more about the issue? (legal issue)
[02:21] <Ken8521> _pg_, no, i don't... i just read somewhere it was a legal issue, but there were no details
[02:21] <_pg_> Ken8521: ah-thanks anyway
[02:23] <Zelozelos> anyone here know how to make the cube's top and bottom transparent with advanced ccsm? it seems to have changed i also cant find the cube deform option?
[02:23] <Ken8521> _pg_, i suspect its like ZykoticK9 said earlier, its a disagreement between medibuntu and firefox... if you've used medibuntu before, then you probably don't really care about any "legal issues"..
[02:23] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, bug # 421864
[02:23] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, bug #421864
[02:24] <_pg_> Ken8521: what is medibuntu?
[02:24] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: thanks!
[02:24] <Ken8521> _pg_, medibuntu is a repository of some non-free stuff...
[02:24] <Ken8521> _pg_, http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:24] <Zelozelos> oh btw if anyone is still wondering about the recent updates, i updated today and sofar so good
[02:25] <Zelozelos> wasnt that you ZykoticK9 /
[02:25] <c0vert> updates seem fine for me too
[02:25] <Ken8521> all is well ehre also.
[02:26] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, not me
[02:26] <Zelozelos> ahh, guess it was that person who was having a issue with his ext4
[02:27] <Ken8521> ext4 issues?
[02:27] <Ken8521> must've missed that one
[02:27] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, nope certainly not me - haven't had any ext4 issues (knock on wood)
[02:27] <_pg_> i thought Firefox shared Ubuntu values (or similar)? why be snide about the logo if they are endorsing your product by including it in their distro?
[02:27] <Zelozelos> it was last night, i forget the user's name
[02:27] <d33d> Ken8521, thanks
[02:27] <d33d> whois KB1JWQ
[02:27] <Ken8521> d33d, np.
[02:28] <Pici> hes just some guy
[02:28] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, actually if you make any changes to firefox you aren't even allowed to call it firefox, in debian it's called something else - they are picky about there logs as well
[02:28] <c0vert> seamonkey?
[02:28] <AngryPunk__> iceweasle
[02:28] <ZykoticK9> s/logs/logos
[02:28] <Ken8521> chrome?
[02:28] <Pici> ZykoticK9: iceweasel
[02:28] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: hmm- the included version is unmodifed tho no?
[02:29] <c0vert> yeah, they don't want a lesser product using their logo, understandable
[02:29] <ZykoticK9> AngryPunk__, Pici FTW
[02:29] <Zelozelos> opera is working perfectly if u're lookin for a browser :)
[02:29] <_pg_> Zelozelos: Im trying, I just cannot get used to it
[02:29] <Ken8521> opera always causes my system resources to spike outta control
[02:30] <Zelozelos> i think you can get ie with wine
[02:30] <keyhive> Just installed Lucid and it won't boot into X - stuck on "* Checking battery state... [OK]" w/ Intel GMA 950 graphics
[02:30] <Maletor> I have NVIDIA driver 195.36.15 which I installed from the NVIDIA drivers download page. How do I use Jockey to install the Ubuntu supported drivers?
[02:30] <bjsnider> yes but opera is the best browser that uses the presto engine there is
[02:31] <Pici> keyhive: I just saw a suggestion to try to boot with "i915.modeset=1" on your kernel line
[02:31] <_pg_> Zelozelos: IE? shame on you
[02:31] <keyhive> Pici cool :) I'll try it
[02:31] <Zelozelos> i dont use it rofl
[02:31] <c0vert> firefox + adblock plus + noscript = the best browsing experience possible, in my opinion
[02:31] <homosaur> ie8 and upcoming 9 are fine, but pointless
[02:32] <_pg_> is "open autorun prompt" new? I like it. Alot
[02:32] <homosaur> it's like running wine so you can run windows notepad or solitaire
[02:32] <homosaur> plenty of good browsers for linux, so why bother
[02:33] <homosaur> chrome for linux is pretty dang good, although it doesn't use your gtk theme
[02:33] <Zelozelos> im having issues with flash and firefox, it wont play any vids
[02:33] <c0vert> 64bit by chance?
[02:33] <Zelozelos> c0vert if you're tkin 2 me yes
[02:34] <c0vert> i had trouble at first too, let me see if i can find the guide
[02:37] <c0vert> did you install flash? first of all lol
[02:37] <Zelozelos> yup
[02:37] <Ken8521> lol
[02:37] <Ken8521> step 1.. complete
[02:37] <Zelozelos> it works fine for opera, in firefox i have 2 click the area then it does nothing
[02:38] <vivid> is there a way for evolution to automatically notify me of new messages?
[02:39] <Zelozelos> vivid i remember seeing something like that but i cannot recall exactly what it was, i think it may be where you config the email addr
[02:39] <keyhive> editing /etc/default/grub - should i run update-grub or update-grub2 ?
[02:39] <vivid> Zelozelos, its set to check every minute, but i get no notification
[02:40] <_pg_> how long till the derivatives get to 10.4?
[02:40] <vivid> unless i leave the application running, seems a little silly to have it always open when theres a panel indicator for it..
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> keyhive:  alwyas rerun the commands. (either one) after altering the configs
[02:40] <c0vert> Zelozelos, i used this guide and my flash is working fine http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358591
[02:40] <Zelozelos> thank you c0vert ill check it out
[02:41] <keyhive> Dr_Willis: so update-grub2 if i know it's GRUB2, correct?
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> keyhive:  check the files.. the 2 are the same command/script last i checked if you got grub2 installed.
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas use 'update-grub'
[02:42] <keyhive> and your kernel line options are applied, even using GRUB2?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> one actually calls the other. it dosent matter
[02:44] <Dr_Willis>  cat update-grub2   --
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> #!/bin/sh -e
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> exec update-grub "$@"
[02:44] <Maletor> Jockey is so messed.
[02:45] <keyhive> What kernel is Lucid using right now?
[02:45] <keyhive> 2.6.31-20 ?
[02:46] <c0vert> 2.6.31-21
[02:46] <c0vert> 32-21 sorry
[02:46] <_pg_> how long till the derivatives get to 10.4?
[02:46] <keyhive> thanks c0vert
[02:46] <keyhive> Just installed Lucid and it won't boot into X - stuck on "* Checking battery state... [OK]" w/ Intel GMA 950 graphics
[02:47] <keyhive> splash screen doesn't show up
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Did you install from the latest daily build iso image?
[02:48] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, lol..
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[02:48] <Ken8521> i installed the daily build this morning, nvidia/jockey, etc.. is working fine
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Yep. People still tend to use the Beta2 cd.. which is proberly not the best thing to do
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> RC due on the 22... Hmm..
[02:49] <Ken8521> yup.. i've tried o tell him multiple times to install the daily build, but... you can lead a horse to water, can't make him drink
[02:49] <keyhive> I type 'uname -a' and I see: 2.6.31-20 !! NOO  what failed during the upgrade from Karmic??
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> If you installed from Beta2. and it failed.. try the Daily Build cd image...
[02:50] <c0vert> i didn't use the daily build iso, and it still worked fine..lucky i guess
[02:50] <keyhive> The problem [I think] boils down to GRUB
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> theres proberly been.. like.. 700+MB of updates since beta2 here.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> boot luve cd. chroot in, update/upgrade, try rebooting..
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> Or try to repair grub i guess..
[02:51] <keyhive> I did repair GRUB
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> but if you installed from Beta2 cd.. there will be several 100mb of updates to begin with.
[02:52] <keyhive> Okay, I'll try updating
[02:52] <keyhive> Still, this feels wrong
[02:52] <keyhive> It's using the wrong kernel
[02:52] <keyhive> :\
[02:52] <Dr_Willis>  2.6.32-21-generic is what i updated to this morning i think
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> theres been a kernel update about every other day i belive
[02:53] <bushbaby> When running update-manager -d to upgrade to 10.04 (from 9.10), update manager crashes but it doesn't crash fro any other upgrades or buttons. anyone go a solution?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Try gkudo update-manager -d  ?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[02:55] <_pg_> how long till the derivatives get to 10.4?
[02:57] <Zelozelos> c0vert, that did the trick thank you
[02:57] <c0vert> no problem
[02:57] <c0vert> it should be stickied in here i imagine a lot of people will be having the same issue :P
[02:58] <Zelozelos> very true, maybe someone should add a flash thingy to the bot
[02:59] <Zelozelos> actually they should make that the flash install for the software center, that way it works right in the 1st place ;)
[03:00] <bushbaby> Dr_Willis's instruction doesn't work, anyone else?
[03:02] <Zelozelos> bushbaby what was your issue again?
[03:03] <bushbaby> When running update-manager -d to upgrade to 10.04 (from 9.10), update manager crashes but it doesn't crash fro any other upgrades or buttons.
[03:03] <Zelozelos> ahh, well heres the best advice, DONT UPGRADE, move your files, install from disk-you'll get the best results that way
[03:04] <Zelozelos> the upgrade is very buggy to say the least, even if you get it to work you'll still probably have tons of issues
[03:05] <bushbaby> Zelozelos: Thanks. I did download the iso last night should this be the advice. Despite the official insistance that update-manager is the easiest way to betatest??
[03:05] <Maletor> Zelozelos: forget nvidia
[03:06] <Maletor> Jockey doesn't work still. How can 10.4 be ready for Apr 28
[03:06] <Zelozelos> bushbaby, most definitely think of it this way, to upgrade youll have 2 import all the settings which means they have 2 be translated to the newer version, think of all the settings that can get mis-translated ;)
[03:08] <Zelozelos> Maletor nvidea??
[03:09] <bushbaby> Zelozelos: Good point.
[03:11] <Maletor> Zelozelos ya
[03:12]  * Zelozelos is wondering why he was told to forget nvidea, since he dosent have that
[03:12] <Zelozelos> heh, i finally got my docks set up the way i need, (so i no longer need desktop icons) and now i cant remember how to have a diff background for each workplace
[03:14] <bushbaby> Off to upgrade!
[03:14] <Zelozelos> good luck, you know what 2 do right?
[03:18] <Zelozelos> Heayyyy, itsa nota ddare any more, what happened to wallpaper in ccsm???
[03:20] <Zelozelos> well atleast i have xwinwrap still
[03:21] <rweait> what happened to libboost1.41?  I could install it in alpha2 but it isn't around now.
[03:23] <Zelozelos> rweait, does it show at all in the software center? i see something its a library for c++
[03:24] <rweait> aptitude install can't find it.
[03:24] <rweait> I think I've got all the repos activated.
[03:25] <Zelozelos> maybe you can get it from here (i have no idea even what it is though) http://www.boost.org/
[03:26] <lazyPower> Having interesting issues with Rhythmbox crashing on 10.04 x64, I am unable to locate the settings directory, nor am I able to trace why its crashing on start. Anybody else having issues or able to point me where i can clear a directory and force a release default config?
[03:26] <gartral> well... X is borked again!
[03:27] <c0vert> lazyPower, it's working fine for m
[03:27] <c0vert> me
[03:28] <Zelozelos> lazyPower, try sudo apt-get purge rythmbox that should remove the settings as well as the player
[03:28] <lazyPower> yeah, i figure its something i've changed.. the only thing i can identify as a change is unplugging my two extern hdd's and sharing them over samba from my server, and thats about the time it started crashing. thinking thats why its crashing on startup now.
[03:28] <lazyPower> ok. do a sudo-apt purge, and then re-install it?
[03:28] <Zelozelos> yup
[03:28] <lazyPower> because i dont want to move away from Rhythmbox.
[03:28] <lazyPower> k
[03:29] <_stryk3r> Why can't I run an .exe for wine? I get this error: The file '/home/kevin/Downloads/setup.exe' is not marked as executable. ...etcetc
[03:30] <lazyPower> _stink_, make sure its chmod 755
[03:30] <lazyPower> er
[03:30] <lazyPower> _stryk3r, even.
[03:30] <c0vert> +x
[03:30] <Zelozelos> _stryk3r,  right click, properties, permissions, click the box or executable
[03:30] <yofel> _stryk3r: 'chmod +x setup.exe'
[03:30] <Ken8521> surely an .exe wouldn't be set t root only?
[03:30] <lazyPower> thought i went owner, group, public
[03:30] <_stryk3r> thanks guys
[03:30] <lazyPower> not root, user, whatever.
[03:30] <Ken8521> ah ok.
[03:31] <yofel> Ken8521: no, it's probably '-rw-r--r-- user:user'
[03:32] <Zelozelos> any ideas on how i can get the backgrounds options back in ccsm?
[03:34] <gartral> well.. x isnt loading at boot.. just looping the ready jingle. quite irritating. >.>
[03:35] <c0vert> gartral, intel?
[03:36] <gartral> c0vert: intel cpu. i7 860. GPU is nvidia 275
[03:36] <c0vert> i'm jealous of your computer. so i'm not going to help :P
[03:36] <lazyPower> Interesting. the purge helped... until i clicked ont he missing files playlist
[03:37] <lazyPower> now its crashing right away again.
[03:37] <gartral> c0vert: ill give you a shell account :P
[03:37] <lazyPower> so its something to do with having missing files and its panicking
[03:37] <c0vert> purge again and delete the playlist :P
[03:38] <Zelozelos> hmmm. maybe you can purge it again, then goto the prefs, music tab, and remove the folders from those drives that way
[03:39] <Zelozelos> but, purge should have dissociated them in the 1st place, idk though
[03:40] <gartral> well.. x isnt loading at boot.. just looping the ready jingle. quite irritating. >.>
[03:40] <c0vert> gartral, how about some more info..
[03:40] <lazyPower> nah the config stayed persistent zelo
[03:40] <lazyPower> but i do agree, the purge should have gotten rid of them
[03:41] <gartral> c0vert: what ya need. im at a total loss
[03:41] <lazyPower> makes me wonder where its storing its info
[03:41] <un214> ok I think I can identify the cause of sound busted
[03:41] <Zelozelos> im thinkcin c0vert is right, right-click the playlist's associated with the drives and delete them, make sure you dont left click on them at all
[03:41] <un214> almost always, resume from hibernate = does not work until logout & log back in
[03:42] <lazyPower> lol
[03:42] <yofel> lazyPower: if it's user configuration it will not be touched by 'purge'
[03:42] <lazyPower> thats not a great solution zelo
[03:42] <c0vert> gartral,  can you get to a terminal?
[03:42] <un214> not quite always however
[03:42] <lazyPower> yofel: where does Rhythmbox store its data then?
[03:42] <yofel> no idea
[03:42] <lazyPower> its not in ~/.config, or ~/.gnome2
[03:42] <_pg_> where is the option to disable requiring password input on awaking form display sleep
[03:42] <lazyPower> so idk where it could be.
[03:42] <lazyPower> _pg_, Preferences -> Screensaver
[03:42] <_pg_> also, any word on how long rythmbox support of iPhone will last?
[03:43] <_pg_> lazyPower: thank you
[03:43] <lazyPower> i do what i can
[03:43] <c0vert> ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/playlists.xml ?
[03:43] <gartral> c0vert: how we're talking now, netroot failsafe works, trying to start x, fails, i know the system works aside from graphical. and all my logs appear blanks
[03:43] <lazyPower> No rhythmbox directory
[03:43] <Roasted> does anybody know if theres a way I can change how dark the panel is with the ambiance theme? Or perhaps a user-made theme that has a darker top panel?
[03:44] <c0vert> gartral, did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[03:44] <lazyPower> Roasted, right click, properties, background, modify as required
[03:44] <Zelozelos> look in usr/share/rythmbox or around there i guess
[03:44] <gartral> c0vert: did an upgrade from a 100% clean jaunty
[03:45] <lazyPower> Roasted, beyond that, you'll have to do some GTK theme modifications.
[03:45] <Roasted> lazyPower, doesnt work. That only changes the empty panel area. I want the ENTIRE thing changed. The top bar to EACH window. The entire top panel. The background of the menus, etc.
[03:45] <c0vert> gartral, \seems people upgrading are having issues..i'd try a fresh install
[03:45] <lazyPower> Roasted, then you'll have to modify your GTK theme.
[03:45] <Roasted> lazyPower, I guess I want the text to "pop" out at you more, whcih a darker gray would be nice.
[03:45] <Roasted> lazyPower, how would I go about doing that exactly?
[03:46] <gartral> c0vert: is there any other way. i literally JUST got the system working the way i wanted
[03:46] <Ken8521> roasted, how much lighter do you want it?
[03:46] <Roasted> Ken8521, well I'd like the gray to be darker, more like the popular moomex theme.
[03:46] <lazyPower> Roasted, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=5326.0
[03:46] <STiK> Should there be an ubuntu one notification icon when sync is in progress?
[03:46] <Roasted> Ken8521, from there Ill see how the text is... if its more easily readable, we hav ea winner. But it might be an idea to try and whiten the text more too.
[03:46] <Ken8521> Roasted, here's what i usually do, when i want to change the panel color(w/o doing heavy theming)
[03:46] <Zelozelos> there is a theme editor, i cant remember what its called, but it lets you edit/make new themes
[03:46] <c0vert> gartral, right after you make it perfect is a very bad time to update lol...unless you find something on google i'd sugguest a clean install
[03:47] <Ken8521> Roasted, in panel properties, click the background tab, then click solid color, and run "style" all the way to opague(this will likely make it white), then click color, and use the wheel to try and get the color you want... use trial and error to get your color
[03:47] <thiebaude> hi ken8521 i finally decided to go with 10.04 by itself on this computer and its awesome, except for the shutdown bug
[03:48] <gartral> c0vert: cant get into X x.x
[03:48] <Ken8521> thiebaude, i've not had that problem?.. shut down but?
[03:48] <c0vert> thiebaude, you have the shutdown bug as well? my laptop is doing it too
[03:48] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[03:48] <thiebaude> instead of shutting down it restarts
[03:48] <c0vert> oh mine is different, i try to restart and it just hangs :/
[03:48] <Ken8521> hmm, i shut down my PC just a bit ago, no problem
[03:48] <Roasted> Ken8521, that doesnt work, though. that only does the empty area of the panel. I want the ENTIRE panel, the entire menu, etc.
[03:49] <thiebaude> c0vert, you have amd and nvidia?
[03:49] <Ken8521> Roasted, hmm, guess i never noticed that. you'll have to theme it
[03:49] <iconmefisto> when I try switching to a VT, I get a blank screen with blinking cursor. any ideas?
[03:49] <c0vert> thiebaude, amd64bit but ati graphics..
[03:49] <Roasted> Ken8521, but how would I do that?
[03:49] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[03:49] <Ken8521> Roasted, but honestly, i don't know... when i do that, it changes the whole color for me
[03:50] <thiebaude> could it just be amd processors seen another amd computer in launchpad with my bug
[03:50] <Ken8521> thiebaude, well, also.. i use the "shut down" button in my panel.. always have, always will.. i don't use the one Ubuntu puts there by default
[03:50] <Roasted> Ken8521, you mean when you change the background color, it changes the ENTIRE menu background and everything? Like if you hit applications, the background color there changes accordingly as well?????
[03:50] <thiebaude> i do to Ken8521 but it restarts,lol
[03:51] <Ken8521> no, not the menu background.
[03:51] <Ken8521> i was just talking about the panel
[03:51] <thiebaude> i have to turn the power strip off to shut down and the computer is not liking that
[03:51] <Ken8521> you said you wanted the panel changed, didn't say anything about the menu
[03:51] <thiebaude> ok Ken8521
[03:51] <Ken8521> thiebaude, hmm, lemme check my PC.. i installed the daily build on it today, and i'm sure it shut down ok..
[03:52] <thiebaude> ok
[03:52] <thiebaude> thanks
[03:53] <Roasted> Ken8521, when you change it, do you get EVERYTHING or just the top panel? Because not even the entire top panel changes... for example, where apps/places/system is, the clock, etc... those areas dont change.
[03:53] <c0vert> i guess i'll try it too since i have nothing better to do lol
[03:53] <gartral> c0vert: we were cut short, i was saying that i had 10.04 up and running fine, havd updated several times
[03:53] <Ken8521> thiebaude, yup, my PC shuts down fine using the shut down panel applet
[03:54] <thiebaude> ok i'll try again then
[03:55] <c0vert> shutdown worked fine here..
[03:56] <gartral> c0vert: we were cut short, i was saying that i had 10.04 up and running fine, havd updated several times
[03:56] <c0vert> so what was the problem?
[03:56] <c0vert> or it started after updating
[03:57] <thiebaude> Ken8521, it still does the samething as before
[03:58] <gartral> c0vert: right, it started after i had 10.04 update last
[03:59] <Ken8521> c0vert, it worked fine for me in beta1.. i think its cuz people are using the one that is by their name.. not really sure on that one
[03:59] <Ken8521> thiebaude, i honestly can't explain that.
[03:59] <c0vert> i always use the gnome one by my name..
[03:59] <thiebaude> yea they are working on it anyway, hope they fix it, dont seem many ppl have that bug
[03:59] <Ken8521> c0vert, hmm, i never do.. i always add the shutdown applet, and it works fine.
[04:00] <Ken8521> thiebaude,  any idea what is causing it?
[04:00] <thiebaude> i want to say plymouth, i cant prove it
[04:00] <thiebaude> been using since 6.06 and never had a shutdown problem
[04:00] <c0vert> gartral, so you can get in to a terminal? or no
[04:00] <Ken8521> plymouth.. lol, poor thing is gonna be the second gunman on the grassy knoll by the time beta is over
[04:01] <gartral> c0vert: yes, i have full vt
[04:01] <thiebaude> and you know what it means if they dont fix it
[04:01] <c0vert> have you tried running aptitude to see if there's any updates since it messed up?
[04:01] <thiebaude> for me
[04:01] <Ken8521> thiebaude, did you install beta 2, or did you install the daily build?
[04:01] <gartral> covert, not in 3 hours
[04:02] <c0vert> oh that's all..probably not then
[04:02] <thiebaude> i installed beta 2 from the april 8th cd
[04:02] <Ken8521> hmm, are youup to date?
[04:02] <c0vert> i'm trying to think of what came in that lastest update..there was quite a few
[04:02] <gartral> c0vert: i forgot too mention this happened late last week as well
[04:03] <thiebaude> yes i got all updates as of now, every once in awhile i check them
[04:04] <iconmefisto> when I try switching to a VT, I get a blank screen with blinking cursor. any ideas?
[04:04] <Ken8521> thiebaude, open a terminal and copy paste this line...  sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:04] <Ken8521> see if it tells you you need anything
[04:04] <thiebaude> ok i will
[04:04] <c0vert> gartral, try using aptitude to reinstall your video card drivers maybe?
[04:05] <gartral> c0vert: will do
[04:06] <thiebaude> it says nothing to be updated or upgraded
[04:06] <Ken8521> looks like another lucid repo is down
[04:06] <Ken8521> thiebaude, hmm, well, i'm out of ideas.
[04:06] <Ken8521> can you shut down via command line till it gets fixed?
[04:07] <thiebaude> i just keep waiting for an update to fix it hopefully
[04:07] <thiebaude> whats the command?
[04:07] <Ken8521> hang on, lemme find it
[04:07] <thiebaude> ok
[04:07] <c0vert> shutdown -H ?
[04:07] <Ken8521> c0vert, i think so....
[04:07] <Ken8521> thiebaude, try shutdown -h
[04:08] <thiebaude> ok i'll try and see what happens brb thanks
[04:08] <c0vert> try -v it if still happens and see what errors popup
[04:08] <thiebaude> time expected
[04:09] <Ken8521> thiebaude, try shutdown -h now
[04:09] <thiebaude> ok
[04:09] <Ken8521> lol
[04:09] <iconmefisto> I think you need sudo with the shutdown command
[04:09] <Ken8521> guess it worked
[04:09] <Ken8521> no, don't think so
[04:10] <Ken8521> woops, maybe you do
[04:10] <c0vert> it would be quite a pain if it let you do it without superuser privileges
[04:11] <c0vert> considering letting someone have a shell
[04:11] <Ken8521> c0vert, well, thats true
[04:11] <Ken8521> didn't really think of it like that
[04:11] <c0vert> i come from slackware :P makes you think of that kind of stuff sometimes
[04:11] <Ken8521> lol
[04:14] <Ken8521> woops
[04:14] <Ken8521> got a little overzealous playing w/ the shutdown button
[04:14] <c0vert> Billtoo, markham?
[04:20] <Ken8521> i just told thiebaud to try sudo poweroff  to see if that fixes the shutdown prob
[04:20] <Ken8521> it shut me down..
[04:20] <c0vert> haha
[04:20] <thiebaude> Ken8521, it still restarts
[04:20] <Ken8521> wtf?
[04:21] <Ken8521> you have a demon in your computer, i suggest a priest, goat blood, and a shotgun(for when the other two fail)
[04:21] <thiebaude> hahhaaha
[04:21] <Ken8521> i really don't understand it.
[04:21] <Ken8521> whats that bug number again?
[04:21] <thiebaude> i dont either
[04:22] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[04:22] <Ken8521> i mena, yu would think poweroff would do it
[04:22] <thiebaude> yep
[04:22] <_pg_> cant get past 13XX by 7xx in a Virtual Machine in VirtualBox, native is 1440x900. installed all updates and Vbox addons. any ideas?
[04:23] <thiebaude> tonight i will get to the log in screen and do a ctrl alt f2 and keep it thier until the morning, Ken8521
[04:23] <thiebaude> i mean log out
[04:24] <Ken8521> hmm.
[04:24] <Ken8521> just very strange
[04:24] <thiebaude> i want it to use the least resouces when im gone
[04:24] <Ken8521> yea
[04:25] <peepsalot> is sun-java not available in lucid at the moment?  aptitude is telling me "no candidate version found"
[04:25] <Ken8521> peepsalot, should be.. i used it to install frostwire this morning
[04:25] <Ken8521> i think the package names changed a bit.
[04:26] <thiebaude> when its off for 8hrs or so when i start it up the hard drive spins up lus then quiets after a few minutes
[04:26] <thiebaude> Ken8521,
[04:26] <_pg_> nvm-got it
[04:26] <thiebaude> loud
[04:26] <Ken8521> hmm.
[04:26] <thiebaude> yea im not liking that
[04:26] <Ken8521> what kind of pc is this again?
[04:26] <thiebaude> computer is about 4 month old had it built for me
[04:26] <_pg_> ok, i get native res for login screen and thats it
[04:27] <thiebaude> had it built for me
[04:27] <Ken8521> well there you go, its the builders fault.
[04:27] <Ken8521> geez...lol
[04:27] <thiebaude> 4 months or so ago
[04:27] <thiebaude> haha
[04:27] <_pg_> nevermind. im retarded x2
[04:27] <Ken8521> i always build my own...
[04:27] <thiebaude> i told him what i wanted in it,lol
[04:27] <Ken8521> eh, he'll ust blame it on you then.
[04:28] <thiebaude> lol
[04:28] <peepsalot> Ken8521, i'm trying to get java applet plugin support for firefox, do you know what package i need?  searching java and plugin are not turning up what I expect
[04:28] <thiebaude> but the good thing is the developers are working on it
[04:28] <Ken8521> should've tried to install the daily build, see if that would have fixed the shutdown prob..
[04:28] <Ken8521> yea
[04:28] <c0vert> thiebaude, i wonder if you boot into failsafe or just a terminal instead of gnome and try the shutdown command if it will work
[04:29] <thiebaude> i will try
[04:29] <Ken8521> peepsalot, looks like sun-java6-plugin on my system
[04:29] <thiebaude> that
[04:29] <c0vert> since it seems to be an nvidia thing
[04:29] <Ken8521> c0vert, good thinking
[04:29] <Ken8521> but my PC has Nvidia, and it shuts down fine
[04:29] <thiebaude> i wonder also amd
[04:29] <Ken8521> my pc has AMD to.
[04:29] <Ken8521> lol
[04:29] <c0vert> lol
[04:29] <d33d> looking for an awesome application to install.
[04:30] <Ken8521> d33d, well... to do what?
[04:30] <peepsalot> Ken8521, you are looking on a lucid install?  that package does not exist for me
[04:30] <thiebaude> ok
[04:30] <thiebaude> haha
[04:30] <Ken8521> peepsalot, yes.. you have a source issue if its not there for you
[04:30] <d33d> Ken8521, not sure... to just enjoy i guess.
[04:30] <peepsalot> Ken8521, is there a way you can tell which repo it is coming from?
[04:30] <c0vert> sun-java6-jre
[04:31] <c0vert> ... it's there
[04:31] <Ken8521> c0vert, i have sun-java6-plugin
[04:31] <Ken8521> if he searches for sun-java6, it should show up
[04:31] <c0vert> type aptitude search sun-java
[04:31] <peepsalot> c0vert,  that package shows in the list, but attempting install gives me: "No candidate version found for sun-java6-jre"
[04:31] <c0vert> for sure comes up
[04:32] <c0vert> let me try
[04:32] <c0vert> worked fine from command line
[04:32] <peepsalot> man, what is up with my syste,
[04:32] <peepsalot> system
[04:32] <c0vert> you trying from command line?
[04:33] <peepsalot> yes
[04:33] <Ken8521> i'm getting some apt-get update errors.. looks like a efw repos are down
[04:33] <peepsalot> i upgraded from karmic instead of a fresh install, so maybe something wrong happened with that?  did you guys do a fresh install?
[04:33] <c0vert> peepsalot,  have you changed your repo's ?
[04:34] <Ken8521> i think thiebaud might have finally been able to shutdown
[04:35] <peepsalot> c0vert, the upgrade appears to have automatically changed them to lucid
[04:35] <Ken8521> !info sun-java6-plugin
[04:35] <Ken8521> hmmm
[04:35] <c0vert> !info sun-java6-jre
[04:35] <peepsalot> finally validation ;-)
[04:35] <c0vert> i just installed it...
[04:35] <c0vert> wtf
[04:36] <Ken8521> c0vert, thats what i was thinking..lol
[04:36] <Ken8521> that has to be a bot error.
[04:36] <Ken8521> cuz i'm looking at synaptic right now, its installe don my system
[04:36] <peepsalot> do you have proposed and backports enabled?  that is the really only thing i can see that is not enabled in my software sources
[04:37] <Ken8521> peepsalot, lol, well then enable them
[04:37] <Ken8521> actuall no
[04:37] <Ken8521> thats for updates and what not
[04:37] <Ken8521> no, i don't have them enabled
[04:37] <c0vert> peepsalot, http://pastebin.ca/1868994 thats my sources..make sure its the same then run sudo aptitude update
[04:37] <c0vert> then try again
[04:37] <c0vert> i haven't altered them at all
[04:38] <_pg_> how to change username ?
[04:38] <Ken8521> _pg_, on ubuntu or here on IRC?
[04:38] <c0vert> _pg_, system>admin> users and groups
[04:38] <Ken8521> c0vert, will it let you change a username from there?... i was thinking that had to be done from recovery mode
[04:39] <_pg_> c0vert: im in there-i changed it but it still says the old one in the menubar,
[04:39] <c0vert> never tried lol
[04:39] <_pg_> Ken8521: ubuntu
[04:39] <c0vert> probably have tp restart gnome
[04:39] <_pg_> i did
[04:39] <_pg_> lol
[04:39] <thiebaude> Ken8521, that did not work either:(
[04:39] <Ken8521> come on thiebaude we're waiting w/ baited breath to hear if that worked
[04:39] <_pg_> In "user settings:" it says my new one really big and bold and then the old one underneath it italiscised
[04:39] <thiebaude> lol
[04:40] <thiebaude> fail
[04:40] <Ken8521> that is the strangest thing
[04:40] <c0vert> your prob just changed the name not the login
[04:41] <c0vert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=877246 i guess
[04:41] <_pg_> when Iog in the username is correct
[04:41] <peepsalot> c0vert, files are pretty much identical except you have canadian and i have us servers
[04:41] <_pg_> but in the menubar where all the new social stuff is it is wrong
[04:41] <c0vert> peepsalot, try the update command maybe?
[04:41] <Ken8521> so just create a new user and delete the old one?
[04:42] <Ken8521> brb
[04:42] <thiebaude> ok
[04:42] <c0vert> thiebaude,  how'd that go
[04:42] <peepsalot> c0vert,  i just updated minutes ago
[04:42] <thiebaude> it didn't work
[04:43] <thiebaude> it just restarted
[04:44] <_pg_> in software sources, multiverse is checked, but web browsers is still bare, no chrome, no opera, do I have to go get these debs or is there a way to get ubuntu software center to find them?
[04:45] <c0vert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1406969 here you go peepsalot kind of explains it..doesn't explain why i have it though?
[04:45] <Ken8521> opera, you have to download the .deb
[04:45] <Ken8521> _pg_, chrome.. i believe google has a repository for it
[04:45] <_pg_> Ken8521: isnt this the point of the software center? to not have to go hunting your familiar applications?
[04:46] <Ken8521> _pg_, yes, but ubuntu doesn't put some things in the repositories for legal reasons(thus why there are third party repos)
[04:46] <_pg_> Ken8521: i know, i know, but just having a button, "enable 3rd party software" click agree. everyones happy. right? haha
[04:47] <Ken8521> _pg_, everybody except the third party software maintainer
[04:47] <Ken8521> and unfortunately, they are the one that matters
[04:47] <_pg_> Ken8521: do they not want linux users?
[04:47] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, chromium the opensource basis of chrome is in the repo
[04:48] <Ken8521> _pg_, i don't think its that, if they didn't want linux users, they wouldnt even port their apps to linux
[04:48] <peepsalot> openjdk/icedtea is garbage, it has never worked right
[04:48] <Ken8521> peepsalot, ar eyouu using 64bit?
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, add the partner repo and add sun-java then
[04:48] <peepsalot> not on this computer
[04:49] <c0vert> maybe they left the packages because we're on 64bit..
[04:49] <_pg_> Ken8521: still lame, the ubuntu software center has gotten sweet tho-in 10.4. featured applications, new menu system
[04:49] <_pg_> very cool
[04:49] <Ken8521> _pg_, lame maybe, complain to the software manufacturers... it's like complaining to ubuntu because some hardware devices don't have drivers
[04:50] <_pg_> Ken8521: i see-
[04:51] <Guest51203> How to set to show icons in menus?
[04:51] <c0vert> icons do show in the menus already?
[04:52] <Ken8521> c0vert, he means the places/system menu.. you have to do it via gconf-editor
[04:52] <ZykoticK9> Guest51203, gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons --type boolean true
[04:52] <Guest51203> ZykoticK9, Ken8521 c0vert tnx :)
[04:52] <Ken8521> i always use the GUI way, but it looks like that accomplished the same thing
[04:53] <Guest51203> Ken8521, How to do it in GUI?
[04:53] <c0vert> want a real task, try adding icons to the fluxbox menu..that used to be a fun task
[04:53] <ZykoticK9> Guest51203, gconf-editor and use the path /desktop/gnome/...
[04:53] <Guest51203> ZykoticK9, I guessed! Thank you...
[04:54] <Guest51203> ZykoticK9, In karmic, it was in a tab in the appearance preference window.
[04:55] <Ken8521> Guest51203, yeah, this was just another way of canonical thumbing their nose at us.. "YOU WILL HAVE A DESKTOP THE WAY WE TELL YOU, SERFS"
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, actually that was a Gnome decision
[04:55] <Ken8521> actually, i think it was gnome more than ubuntu.
[04:55] <Guest51203> Ken8521, Exactly
[04:55] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, yeah, it was... but i'm a drama llama
[04:56] <ZykoticK9> xulrunner-1.9.1 package FINALLY ready -- gnome-shell is installable again :)
[04:57] <_pg_> is there a way to get gwibber to hide on screen edges like adium?
[04:58] <_pg_> err empathy rather
[04:59] <Ken8521> _pg_, yeah, uninstall it and install pidgin...lol
[04:59] <Ken8521> i swear, empathy is horrible
[05:00] <LSD|Ninja> I don't mind empathy, but it could have used a bit more time to mature before being thrown into the mainstream
[05:01] <_pg_> i just assume the included is best
[05:01] <_pg_> that would make sense no?
[05:01] <Ken8521> _pg_, not necessarily
[05:02] <_pg_> Ken8521: were there legal issues :P
[05:02] <Ken8521> i find brasero completely horrible and unusable... it's one of the first apps i remove, and i install gnomebaker
[05:02] <Ken8521> lol
[05:02] <Ken8521> no
[05:02] <_pg_> or perhaps empathy is a core value of Ubuntu so pidgin got picked last
[05:03] <Ken8521> _pg_, what i read(don't know how true it is), ubuntu was unhappy w/ pidgin progress on getting voice/video chat across different protcols, so they threw their weight behind gnome's empathy
[05:03] <_pg_> and whiskey tango foxtrot is up with empathy, I get a growl notification, and i try to click on it so it can take me to the chat, and it disappears when I hover.
[05:04] <_pg_> *spoons out eyeballs*
[05:04] <_pg_> \
[05:04] <jjcv> Has anyone experiencing crashes with glabel?
[05:05] <Ken8521> _pg_, are you using empathy for irc?
[05:05] <LuckySMack> hrmm, i upgraded my local machine to lucid which has php 5.3, but everyone and I need 5.2.x still. Is there anyway to uninstall 5.3 and lock the version to the latest 5.2.x version so i have the needed 5.2.x packages instead??
[05:06] <_pg_> Ken8521: no-colloquoy
[05:06] <LuckySMack> also my web server uses 5.2.x so i want to keep the same verison as the production machine
[05:06] <Ken8521> hmm, never heard of that one
[05:06] <_pg_> Ken8521: on OSX
[05:06] <Ken8521> why would you upgrade a production machine to a beta OS
[05:06] <Ken8521> _pg_, oh, you're not using ubuntu?
[05:07] <_pg_> Ken8521: i am, on a VM in virtualbox
[05:07] <Ken8521> oh ok
[05:07] <_pg_> Ken8521: on my mac
[05:07] <LuckySMack> no i dont want to upgrade my prod server to beta OS. i mean it has php 5.2 so i want to keep my local machine on 5.2 as well. so how can i degrade lucid php to 5.2.
[05:10] <iconmefisto> I get no tty's at all. just a blank screen and blinking cursor
[05:14] <iconmefisto> if I do sudo start tty1 I get a tty on ctrl-alt-F1. how is upstart supposed to start the tty's?
[05:15] <atrus> iconmefisto: /etc/init/tty[1-6].conf should handle that.
[05:16] <iconmefisto> atrus: and runlevel 2 is normal runlevel for ubuntu, right?
[05:16] <atrus> yeah
[05:16] <ZykoticK9> !runlevels
[05:32] <VinceN> Having a major issue with Lucid and i'm in a panic because i'm about to leave on a trip. My Network Menu has dissapeared
[05:33] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, does running "nm-applet" return it?
[05:33] <VinceN> ZykoticK9 : Not sure, let me check
[05:33] <VinceN> I wasn't sure that was the name for it
[05:33] <VinceN> Negative
[05:34] <VinceN> An instance of nm-applet is already running.
[05:34] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:1982): WARNING **: <WARN>  constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, did this happen after a kernel update?
[05:34] <VinceN> ZykoticK9, No, I have not updated it since installing yesterday unless the updates are automatic now
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, not automatic no
[05:35] <VinceN> Currently running Kernel 2.6.32-21-generic
[05:35] <orospakr> Hello!  I notice that the "MeMenu" indicator does not appear to support custom statuses, as it does in the spec.  This is a little troublesome, because I have to specifically avoid clicking on it to avoid squishing my current Empathy custom status.
[05:37] <VinceN> Please forgive what i'm sure is a newb question but how would I compleatly kill the nm-applet and reinitialize it?  I've tried restarting the PC but that didn't do anything i'm hoping doing it from the TERMINAL might yeild better results
[05:37] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, "killall nm-applet" then run nm-applet
[05:39] <VinceN> Ok
[05:39] <VinceN> Shutting down nm-applet killed the network connection
[05:39] <VinceN> SO obviosly its still working its just not showing up in the Notification Area for some odd reason
[05:40] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, sorry my bad - didn't actually think about that...
[05:40] <VinceN> No worries
[05:40] <VinceN> So what can I do about this?  I LOVE lucid and really don't want to have to reinstall 9.10 before I leave
[05:40] <orospakr> VinceN, remember that networkmanager is a background process running as root, and nm-applet is merely a frontend.
[05:41] <VinceN> Epecialy since i'd have to rehack a bunch of stuff that just works in Lucid
[05:42] <VinceN> orospaker: Correct and the NetworkManager itself appears to be functioning correctly as my network still works fine. But the menu that allows to me configure the connection is gone.  It's not a huge deal right now as i'm at home and its already set up to my home wireless network but  I'll need that once I go out of town.
[05:43] <orospakr> VinceN, just starting up a fresh nm-applet process wasn't enough?
[05:43] <lucas-arg-brb> is there any app for desktop changing besides drapes?
[05:43] <VinceN> orospaker,  No  It came back up and generated a message in the terminal, the network also came back online, however the icon is still not present
[05:44] <oneirosFade> Morning all
[05:45] <jjcv> VinceN:  You can run System|Preference network connection at any time to make changes etc.
[05:45] <Ken8521> mornin.
[05:46] <VinceN> aCK
[05:46] <VinceN> Sorry
[05:46] <VinceN> I was trying to copy the message from the terminal and killed NM-applet agian
[05:46] <VinceN> This is what I get when I restart nm-applet
[05:46] <VinceN> vince@Dynamas:~$ nm-applet
[05:46] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:2024): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[05:46] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:2024): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[05:46] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:2024): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[05:47] <oneirosFade> What would cause my mouse cursor theme to show up sometimes, and most times, just be the black-with-white-borders?
[05:48] <VinceN> So I have no idea what to do with this or how to even approach it
[05:48] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, compiz
[05:48] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9:  Does Compiz have a cursor setting dialog?
[05:49] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, no - but it CAN interfere with gnome's cursor theme,
[05:49] <oneirosFade> Ah
[05:50] <oneirosFade> I'd be safe to remove compiz though, right?
[05:50] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, i wouldn't remove it no - just disable it / don't use it
[05:50] <oneirosFade> How do I do that again?  Disabling it, that is
[05:50] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, i'm sure some of compiz is part of ubuntu-desktop
[05:51] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, system/prefs/appearance - Visual Effects tab - none
[05:51] <crucialhoax> I like the icons so far, but is it possible to keep all the default icons except applications, and categories?
[05:53] <VinceN> So does anyone have any idea's on what I can do with this silly applet or am I going to have to downgrade back to 9.10 until they sort this?
[05:54] <crucialhoax> VinceN: What silly applet?
[05:55] <hypnosis> whenever I select text and copy my keyboard freezes, help please
[05:55] <VinceN> crucialhoax: nm-applet
[05:55] <hypnosis> is this common behavior?
[05:55] <Ken8521> VinceN, not sure i'd call it silly, but just uninstall.
[05:56] <VinceN> I
[05:56] <VinceN> crucialhoax: The Network Menu is gone and I can't bring it back, No big deal right now but if I take this laptop anywhere I need to be able to select from networks
[05:56] <BPower> Hey all. How do I get hibernate to actually work...?  Currently hibernate just initiates the process but then I get the (GUI) login prompt (after a minute or so)
[05:57] <oneirosFade> VinceN: The tray app, is what you're talking about?
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> BPower, is your swap 2x your ram?
[05:58] <VinceN> oneirosFade: Up in the menu bar at top next to your sound icon is the icon to select wireless networks
[05:58] <VinceN> That is gone
[05:58] <BPower> ZykoticK9, How can I find my swap size?
[05:58] <crucialhoax> VinceN: Indicator applet
[05:58] <jjcv> VinceN:  You can run System|Preference network connection at any time to make changes etc.
[05:58] <oneirosFade> VinceN: You could install Wicd
[05:58] <BPower> ZykoticK9, I'm looking at Disk Usage Analyzer but I don't see it
[05:58] <ZykoticK9> BPower, free in a terminal will show you
[05:59] <VinceN> crucialhoax: Yes and no, It's displayed IN the indicator applet.  The indicator applet itself is still there
[05:59] <VinceN> Would it help if I took a screenshot?
[05:59] <crucialhoax> VinceN: Ohh ok, I gotcha.
[05:59] <crucialhoax> VinceN: No, that is not needed. I understand.
[05:59] <Ken8521> VinceN, i don't think so..
[05:59] <BPower> ZykoticK9, http://nathanbrauer.pastebin.com/cX56iJsW
[06:00] <Ken8521> network applet, is not part of indicator applet
[06:00] <Ken8521> it's part of notification area
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> BPower, actually your memory and swap are almost the same 3096384 to 4805624 < this *MIGHT* be the problem, but no guarantee
[06:01] <VinceN> I'll BRB, Im wondering if another applet I have up there is conflicting
[06:01] <crucialhoax> VinceN: Have you tried typing `nm-applet` in a term.
[06:01] <VinceN> Need to restart
[06:01] <VinceN> crucialhoax: Yes, It says its already running
[06:01] <VinceN> Killing it will kill my netowkr connection but restoring it does not bring the icon back
[06:01] <crucialhoax> then do a `sudo restart gdm`
[06:01] <BPower> ZykoticK9, so how can I change it?
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> BPower, non-trivial, i don't know the answer to that (deals with partitioning sorta thing, actually there is some way to create a swap file i believe but I don't know how)  Good luck man.
[06:02] <Ken8521> BPower, how much disk space do you have for ubuntu?
[06:03] <Ken8521> most pc's, don't need a swap space.. it's good to have just in case, but if you've got a 1gig of ram, and at least 10gigs or so of space for ubuntu, you shouldn't ever be touching swap
[06:03] <BPower> ZykoticK9, thanks :) | Ken8521: I believe I have 100GB hard drive and 90GB free
[06:04] <Ken8521> BPower, i understand that, is that whole 90gigs for Ubuntu, or do you have a 5gig partition for ubuntu?
[06:04] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, BPower is having a hybernate issue - and RAM and Swap are almost equal
[06:04] <crucialhoax> I like the icons so far, but is it possible to keep all the default icons except applications, and categories? I have an icon theme I just do not know how to edit it so I only get the application icons
[06:04] <Ken8521> i dunno, i've never touched my swap when i hibernate
[06:05] <BPower> Ken8521, I have windows installed on a completely different hard drive; I formatted this hard drive (the one in question) by the Ubuntu installer so I would assume that the entire thing is Ubuntu.
[06:05] <Ken8521> BPower, ok,
[06:06] <Ken8521> BPower, my point was, how big the drive is, is irrelevant if you've only given ubuntu a few gigs.
[06:06] <BPower> Ken8521, ya. It has the whole thing :)
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> BPower, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq says that swap partition (file won't work) need only be as large as RAM and your's is i believe so perhaps this is NOT the issue?
[06:08] <VinceN> Ok i'm back
[06:08] <VinceN> Still stuck
[06:08] <BPower> Ken8521, any ideas on fixing my hibernate issue? ZykoticK9, interesting. plus the swap isn't even being used right now... I would assume if swap was used, it would simply copy the memory over to the swap, so there's plenty of room for that
[06:08] <BPower> ** if swap was used for hibernating
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> BPower, according to the swapfaq above it certainly is
[06:09] <Ken8521> BPower, not really, i don't have any hibernation issues, but I know some pc's/laptops do..
[06:10] <BPower> Ken8521, thanks.  If "Disk Usage Analyzer" states that the "Total filesystem capacity" is 100%, that basically means that Ubuntu has access to the entire hard drive right?
[06:11] <BPower> And "filesystem usage" just means, "current storage usage"?
[06:11] <VinceN> Heres a example of my issue
[06:11] <VinceN> http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1550/screenshoten.png
[06:12] <Ken8521> BPower, i would think so.
[06:12] <VinceN> The sound Icon and Chat/Email/Whatever icon are there, but not the network icon
[06:12] <BPower> Ken8521, ok cool.  Thanks again. I've got to run so I guess I'll try to sort out this hibernate issue later.  Thanks also to ZykoticK9 :)
[06:12] <BPower> Peace!
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, you do have Notification Area enabled for panel as well right?
[06:13] <VinceN> ZykoticK9 Not sure I understand what you mean
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, add to panel "notification area"
[06:14] <VinceN> ZykoticK9: THERE IT IS!
[06:14] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, :)
[06:14] <VinceN> ZykoticK9: Now how the heck did that get removed from the panel I wonder.
[06:14] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, sometime a picture really is worth a thousand words
[06:15] <hypnosis> whenever I select text and copy my keyboard freezes, help please
[06:15] <hypnosis> is this common behavior?
[06:15] <Reckon> no, at least not for me
[06:16] <VinceN> ZykoticK9: Thanks man.  I can't belive i've been beating my head up for 2 hours over that thing LOKL
[06:16] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, glad you got it fixed!
[06:16] <Ken8521> no problem here hypatia
[06:16] <VinceN> ZykoticK9 : I'm hoping it was just stupidity it got removed,  If it disapears agian though i'll know where to look at least.
[06:16] <Ken8521> VinceN, i told you 10min ago it was notification area
[06:17] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, technically 16min ago actually ;)
[06:18] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, lol, well, i was close
[06:18] <VinceN> Ken8521, Sorry I didn't realize there was a difference between the Notification Area and the Indicator Applet, I thought one had superseeded the other
[06:19] <Ken8521> VinceN, eventually, yes.. but as of now, there's still two.
[06:20] <VinceN> I wonder if there will come a day I don't feel like a newb.  I've been using Ubuntu since Breezy
[06:20] <Ken8521> VinceN, eh, at least you got it going
[06:20] <Ken8521> lol. breezy?
[06:20] <VinceN> Yeap
[06:21] <Reckon> becoming a master in any subject is a hard task VinceN
[06:21] <VinceN> Before that I was on Fedora Core............... 4 I think
[06:21] <Ken8521> yup, been w/ fedora as well.
[06:21] <VinceN> I like Ubuntu much better
[06:21] <VinceN> Especialy the Package Management System
[06:22] <Ken8521> YUM is pretty powerful, but i greatly prefer apt-get/aptitutde
[06:23] <VinceN> I can't wait
[06:23] <VinceN> Right now we have my laptop and my wifes desktop
[06:23] <Reckon> I'm very impressed so far with the performance. I've been using Ubuntu now and then, but since 9.10, Ubuntu rocks! I used to be a Windows-fan-boy. Not anymore!!! :P
[06:23] <VinceN> Were going to get new PC's and i'm going to regulate hers to a Home Server with VPN and all that
[06:24] <hypnosis> whenever I select text and copy my keyboard freezes, help please
[06:25] <ZykoticK9> !crosspost | hypnosis
[06:25] <hypnosis> ZykoticK9, then reply :)
[06:26] <SwedeMike> hypnosis: also, you need to give a more specific fault description.
[06:26] <hypnosis> or say you don't know
[06:26] <ZykoticK9> hypnosis, is everyone had to say when they didn't know something - NOTHING would ever get done
[06:27] <Reckon> have a nice day! Heading out to work!
[06:27] <Ken8521> hypnosis, i just copy/pasted a bunch of text, and it didn't freeze up on me at all.
[06:40] <Ooonngaaa> Ola penguinfanz
[06:40] <Ooonngaaa> I have one problem with lucid
[06:40] <Ooonngaaa> The console lost
[06:41] <vivid> what did it lose?
[06:41] <Ooonngaaa> azt a pingvinbaszo kurvaeget:(
[06:42] <bazhang> Ooonngaaa, english only here.
[06:42] <Ooonngaaa> The fresh install
[06:42] <Ooonngaaa> bazhang broth aokay
[06:42] <vivid> the console lost its fresh install you say?
[06:43] <Ooonngaaa> As first problem: from the install iso not contains wicd network manager
[06:43] <Ooonngaaa> As second: I installed lubuntu, and update, upgrade
[06:43] <bazhang> Iinfo wicd
[06:43] <bazhang> !info wicd
[06:43] <Ooonngaaa> Reboot
[06:43] <Ken8521> Ooonngaaa, wicd is in the repos.
[06:44] <bazhang> you need to install wicd Ooonngaaa
[06:44] <Ooonngaaa> And the tty console lost ( tty0-tty6)
[06:44] <Ooonngaaa> only alt+ctrl+F7 working
[06:44] <vivid> is lubuntu even a supported branch?
[06:45] <Ooonngaaa> bazhang brotha at this time wicd already installed too
[06:45] <bazhang> !info lubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <bazhang> vivid, ^^
[06:45] <vivid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <vivid> main versus multiverse, hardly supported
[06:48] <VinceN> Is Mediabuntu stilld own?
[06:48] <Ooonngaaa> I am read some forums on the WEB. Many people's problem with lucid: The console lost... :(
[06:48] <VinceN> medibuntu even
[06:49] <Ken8521> VinceN, yes
[06:49] <Ken8521> use one of the mirrors
[06:51] <Ooonngaaa> Any good idea brothers?
[06:51] <VinceN> Ken8521, Looking at the webpage where are the mirrors listed?
[06:51] <Ken8521> VinceN, hang on a sec.
[06:52] <Ken8521> VinceN, i've had the best luck w/ mirror 2.. mirror 1 went down a little while ago, don't know if its back up..  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[06:52] <VinceN> Ken8521: Think I found one, Google is great
[06:52] <VinceN> That was the article I found LOL
[06:53] <iconmefisto> Ooonngaaa: don't know why, but I'm not getting any virtual terminals either. if you do sudo start tty1, do you get one on ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[06:53] <Ken8521> i odn't use tty, so i dunno.
[06:54] <geekphreak> hello all
[06:55] <Ken8521> !hello
[06:57] <histo> nylon
[06:57]  * Maletor loves Lucid
[06:57] <Ooonngaaa> iconmefisto: yes!!!! great!
[06:58] <Ooonngaaa> the problem in the "auotoexec.bat" ?:)
[06:59] <VinceN> Ken8521, Thanks sir I got that working now as well
[07:01] <Ken8521> VinceN, you found it.. :)
[07:02] <iconmefisto> Ooonngaaa: do you have ati graphics card?
[07:04] <Ooonngaaa> iconmefisto: That is an old pc, PII Celeron Mendocino 400 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and built 4MB SIS 620 AGP Video Card - HP BRIO 75 BAxx PC from 1999
[07:05] <geekphreak> sorry got disconnected
[07:05] <geekphreak> Ken8521: :)
[07:05] <Ooonngaaa> no problem geekphreak brotha...Willkomt again
[07:06] <geekphreak> :)
[07:06] <Ken8521> do i know you?
[07:06] <geekphreak> anyways i got a question
[07:07] <Ken8521> shoot
[07:07] <iconmefisto> Ooonngaaa: I filed a bug about this: bug 567047. "me too" it and add any other info to it if you can.
[07:07] <Ken8521> metaphorically speaking
[07:07] <geekphreak> i just updated my system yesterday and after the update , when i press ctrl+alt+f2 or any function key to get to  text mode, all i get is blinking cursor , no login prompts nothing
[07:08] <Ooonngaaa> iconmefisto: thank you brotha'
[07:08] <Ken8521> geekphreak, i don't use console like that, but i think some others were just ehre talking bout that
[07:08] <ZykoticK9> lol geekphreak see two posts above yours for a related bug
[07:08] <geekphreak> ZykoticK9: lol oopos :)
[07:09] <geekphreak> ZykoticK9:  thanks mate will check
[07:10] <ZykoticK9> geekphreak, do you have lubuntu installed?  someone earlier stated they started having the issue after installing it... no idea if it's related or not to the real issue.
[07:10] <geekphreak> no i dont have that installed
[07:10] <ZykoticK9> geekphreak, ok just checkin' if there was a common thread involving lubuntu
[07:11] <geekphreak> ZykoticK9:  ok ok kool np ,
[07:14] <geekphreak> yup that works :)
[07:15]  * jumpkick can not stop fsck on boot-up .... #@!#%$!
[07:16] <vega> ehh, my lucid only boots when i remove "quiet splash" from grub command line
[07:16] <eveningsky> When I press the keyboard shortcut for a new Tomboy note it opens 4 new ones instead of 1. So far to fix it, I've tried changing the shortcut in case the button was sticking and removing/installing Tomboy in Synaptic. I'm running Ubuntu Studio Lucid fully updated.
[07:16] <vega> with those, it just stays forever at the white/red dots
[07:17] <vega> plymouth?=
[07:20] <d33d> can someone tell me why I don't have the cool "white" little icons like the one seen here next to "NET or MEM" for conky? http://laudecioliveira.org/blog/?p=223
[07:21] <Ken8521> i forget what thats called.
[07:21] <Ken8521> frankly, never had a need for it... lm-sensors?  i think thats it.
[07:22] <d33d> so is that something I need to like sudo apt-get or something? I'm new to conky
[07:22] <Ken8521> d33d, probably, but honestyl, i know very little about it.
[07:22] <Ken8521> !lm-sensors
[07:22] <d33d> Ken8521, you don't use conky?
[07:23] <d33d> Ken8521, what do you use your Ubuntu for?
[07:23] <Ken8521> i don't even know what conky is.. isn't that KDE?
[07:24] <Ken8521> eveningsky, what is your problem?
[07:24] <eveningsky> Ken8521, When I press the keyboard shortcut for a new Tomboy note it opens 4 new ones instead of 1. So far to fix it, I've tried changing the shortcut in case the button was sticking and removing/installing Tomboy in Synaptic. I'm running Ubuntu Studio Lucid fully updated.
[07:24] <eveningsky> Ken8521, thanks
[07:25] <Ken8521> i've never used tomboy... lemme try it
[07:25] <Ken8521> whats the keyboard shortcut, or where do i enable it?
[07:26] <geekphreak> Ken8521:  press alt+f2 >> type tomboy
[07:26] <eveningsky> Ken8521, It didn't do that yesterday. I don't remember the default hotkey.
[07:26] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  its alt+f11
[07:26] <d33d> Ken8521, nah, conky is just like a system monitor / rainlendar is what I would consider it similar to.
[07:27] <eveningsky> geekphreak, I have mine set to open a new note on super shift n
[07:28] <geekphreak> eveningsky: well you can always customize it, i was talking bout default :d
[07:29] <eveningsky> geekphreak, but today I suddenly started getting 4 notes spread randomly around the screen each time I press it.
[07:29] <geekphreak> eveningsky: it happened to me once , yes
[07:30] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  when you left click tomboy icon , how many new notes you see?
[07:31] <eveningsky> geekphreak, I had like a hundred. I've deleted em
[07:31] <d33d> where'd Ken go?
[07:31] <geekphreak> d33d:  think he is working on tomboy
[07:32] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  i am redifning kys, most of them work
[07:33] <d33d> geekphreak, not sure why he would have to exit irc to work on tomboy... its just a sticky note thing right?
[07:33] <DanaG> !find /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar
[07:33] <geekphreak> d33d:  he did not leave, he is here, just chking out tomboy application as question came to room
[07:34] <eveningsky> geekphreak, I figured out that if I press and hold the shortcut, it will create new notes endlessly. So my first thing I did was change from N to B in case the N key was sticking, but it did the same thing.
[07:34] <geekphreak> true
[07:34] <DanaG> !find sonar
 eveningsky:  its alt+f11
[07:34] <d33d> * Ken8521 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[07:35] <eveningsky> d33d, ken left very suddenly with no comment, he probably lost his connection somehow
[07:36] <d33d> eveningsky, yes. that's my point.
[07:37] <eveningsky> d33d, hmmm. i guess you'll have to wait till he comes back so he can tell you
[07:37] <geekphreak> whats the issue anyways
[07:37] <d33d> mine?
[07:38] <geekphreak> yes
[07:38] <d33d> i was just having problems with conky...
[07:38] <geekphreak> oh ok
[07:39] <d33d> geekphreak, you ever used Ubuntu Tweak?
[07:42] <geekphreak> hmm
[07:43] <upgrdman> how do i move my max/min/close windows button back to the right corner?
[07:43] <geekphreak> d33d:  just installed coky, looks nice
[07:43] <d33d> well i installed it and I think I broke it.
[07:43] <d33d> what'd you use to install it? apt-get install conky?
[07:43] <Jordan_U> upgrdman: http://techpad.co.uk/content.php?sid=94
[07:43] <geekphreak> d33d:  yes
[07:44] <geekphreak> d33d:  open terminal start conky , tell me if you get any error messages
[07:44] <d33d> let me re-install
[07:44] <geekphreak> d33d:  do this first hold on
[07:44] <geekphreak> sudo apt-get remove --pruge conky
[07:45] <geekphreak> so it takes old setting back during removal , then install it back
[07:45] <geekphreak> --purge*
[07:45] <d33d> so --purge removes like config files?
[07:45] <geekphreak> yeah l
[07:46] <geekphreak> only of that applcation , not all though
[07:47] <d33d> geekphreak, ok so, I get a nasty looking black window on the left of my screen.
[07:47] <geekphreak> showing uptime and frequency and all?
[07:47] <d33d> Ken8521, welcome back
[07:47] <d33d> geekphreak, yes.
[07:47] <Ken8521> sorry, lost my internet for some reason
[07:48] <geekphreak> d33d:  there you go, your appliation works now
[07:48] <d33d> geekphreak, its working fine...just not when I use other configs.
[07:48] <d33d> geekphreak, this is ugly, there are .conkyrc configs that make it beautiful.
[07:49] <geekphreak> hey i am using it for first time myself, i hate having widget on screen, i like it clean
[07:49] <Ken8521> same.
[07:49] <Ken8521> i like a clean desktop
[07:49] <Ken8521> i don't like 40 quadrillion icons either
[07:49] <Ken8521> i usually have 2 icons, a Home link, and Pokerstars.. and thats it..lol
[07:50] <Nirkus> hi! aptitude wanted to install a bunch of unsigned packages, arent they just not signed yet?
[07:50] <Ken8521> Nirkus, well, it depends onthe packages
[07:50] <Ken8521> if they are "unsigned" then they are likely from a repo you added to your source list
[07:50] <d33d> Ken8521, geekphreak, the nice thing about conky is that its like unobtrusive to your work environment, its just a simple light script...runs and looks beautiful.
[07:51] <geekphreak> d33d: matter of choice i guess mate , i uninstalled it :)
[07:51] <Nirkus> Ken8521: didnt add any repos to my lucid yet
[07:51] <Ken8521> Nirkus, then its probably no big deal
[07:51] <Nirkus> Ken8521: ..i think :)
[07:52] <Nirkus> Ken8521: ill just wait for them to be signed, then
[07:52] <Ken8521> Nirkus, if you don't have any third party repos in your source list, i would update.  If you're using Lucid, you at least want to keep it current for bug fixes, etc
[07:53] <geekphreak> Ken8521:      did you check out tomboy?
[07:53] <Ken8521> geekphreak, forgot al about it, hang on
[07:53] <Ken8521> now what was the issue, when you used your keyboard short cut to open a new note, it opened 4-5 of them?
[07:54] <geekphreak> it does thor many notes at ya
[07:54] <geekphreak> throw*
[07:55] <Nirkus> Ken8521: well, i dont like installing unsigned packages :) and id guess, they will be signed or replaced by singed ones soon as ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-standard are in the list..
[07:55] <eveningsky> geekphreak, Ken8521. I was just thinking I haven't rebooted in a while.
[07:55] <Ken8521> eveningsky, .. ok?
[07:55] <eveningsky> let me see if that magically fixes it. back in a few.
[07:57] <Ken8521> geekphreak, ok... i just done it, and only opens up 1 note each time i hit my short cut(I have mine for Alt G)
[07:57] <almoxarife> is naut actions still crashing naut networking?
[07:57] <Ken8521> almoxarife, didn't know it ever was
[07:57] <almoxarife> Ken8521: it was
[07:57] <d33d> Ken8521, geekphreak, this is conky looking better than its stock config...
[07:57] <d33d> http://bit.ly/cy3R48
[07:57] <almoxarife> is maybe
[07:57] <almoxarife> I guess I would have to reload the pckg to find out
[07:58] <Ken8521> d33d, just to much for me
[07:58] <Ken8521> does anyone here ever use skype?
[07:58] <d33d> Ken8521, fair enough
[07:58] <geekphreak> i have skype
[07:58] <d33d> Ken8521, I'm on it. And use it daily
[07:58] <Ken8521> d33d, but hey man, if thats your thing.. thats cool... i love choice. :)
[07:59] <Ken8521> d33d, is it normal for some cat from africa to keep sending me a message that I have won 15million dollars?
[07:59] <Ken8521> lol
[07:59] <geekphreak> d33d:  good for monitoring options i guess , looks kool
[07:59] <Ken8521> yeah
[07:59] <d33d> lol - geekphreak Ken8521 i don't believe I have african cats contacting us.
[08:00] <Ken8521> it's happened to me a few times
[08:00] <Ken8521> that, or the same asian chick has contacted me like 8x wanting to talk dirty
[08:00] <Ken8521> which i have zero interest in.
[08:01] <eveningsky> Ken8521, geekphreak. Nevermind. Reboot solved the problem.
[08:02] <Ken8521> eveningsky, ... enlighten me as to what the problem was..
[08:03] <eveningsky> Ken8521, There's a keyboard shortcut to create and open up a new note in Tomboy.
[08:03] <Ken8521> eveningsky, right...
[08:03] <eveningsky> Ken8521, Every time I pressed it, it created and opened 4 notes instead of one.
[08:03] <Ken8521> oh ok.. i thought it was geek having that problem
[08:03] <d33d> Tomboy is just a note-taking app right?
[08:03] <d33d> like post-it notes.
[08:03] <geekphreak> d33d: yes
[08:03] <eveningsky> Ken8521, And each of the extra notes had to be deleted with an annoying "are you sure you want to delete this" dialog.
[08:04] <d33d> I find tons of yellow notes all over annoying...but at the same time, there's not much else out there...at least that i know of.
[08:04] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  from what i am seeing, its kinda of senstive, we pressing too hard
[08:04] <eveningsky> d33d post it notes that link together like a wiki
[08:04] <d33d> really?
[08:05] <eveningsky> d33d, yeah, and they are not all over (except in the case of my problem a few minutes ago) they are hidden away and searchable
[08:06] <eveningsky> geekphreak, no i wasn't pressing too hard.
[08:06] <eveningsky> geekphreak, it was a minor but that fixed itself when I rebooted the computer
[08:06] <eveningsky> minor bug ^
[08:07] <geekphreak> :)
[08:10] <d33d> geekphreak, why ubuntu?
[08:11] <d33d> i was wanting to know what people are using ubuntu for...
[08:12] <Ken8521> d33d, just a normal desktop user here.
[08:13] <geekphreak> d33d:  simple, friendly, elegant,gets the work done, secure :d
[08:14] <Ken8521> admit it, you want to look at porn w/o the threat of viruses
[08:14] <d33d> Ken8521, lol1
[08:14] <d33d> geekphreak, might i ask what you do for a living?
[08:14] <eveningsky> d33d, I finally decided to go geek a couple weeks ago. Been using Windows since 3.1 and wanted the switch to be as painless a possible.
[08:15] <Ken8521> eveningsky, eh.. its rarely painless, when Redmond has brainwashed you for 15-20yrs, you can't expect to learn a new OS in 2 days
[08:15] <eveningsky> Ken8521, I know!
[08:15] <Ken8521> when i tell people that, they always look at me like i just told them i'd slept with their spouse
[08:16] <eveningsky> my only prior linux experience was ssh command shell to my vps
[08:17] <geekphreak> d33d:  i am a coder , i code websites
[08:17] <d33d> My story, I do System Administration... Been using windows for a while, but a past job I was on ubuntu and loved it, an old manager ran debian and i enjoyed ubuntu...it was awesome. so I just recently made the switch back to ubuntu, companies (where I'm at) seem to be looking for those with more linux skills. :D
[08:17] <eveningsky> which I barely did anything useful with. I usually just called tech support and said fix my server.
[08:17] <d33d> geekphreak, php? wordpress? joomla? RoR? python? django?
[08:18] <geekphreak> php / ajax
[08:18] <d33d> geekphreak, that's cool. can you make like web-apps?
[08:19] <geekphreak> yup ,
[08:19] <d33d> if I started one - would you be willing to help ... for free :P ?
[08:19] <d33d> you wouldnt' have to code anything... just like when I hit a brick wall or something.
[08:20] <geekphreak> sure np
[08:20] <d33d> im looking at making a few different ones.
[08:21] <RikFshr> Good day all
[08:21] <d33d> 1) I need an EXTREMELY simple (like almost childish) interface to upload a file to an FTP server...
[08:21] <eveningsky> d33d. every language has an irc channel. and most of the frameworks too.
[08:21] <RikFshr> I'm looking for boot help
[08:21] <geekphreak> RikFshr: whats the error?
[08:21] <d33d> eveningsky, ya. been in and out of them.
[08:22] <Ken8521> RikFshr, let me get my tarot cards and i'll try to answer
[08:22] <RikFshr> I have windoze 7 and Ubuntu 10.4 beta 2 on one single Disk drive and can't boot into Ubuntu. Tried LIveCD and Super Grub etc.
[08:22] <eveningsky> d33d. I was using jQuery to heavily animate a site and spent endless hours on irc
[08:22] <d33d> RikFshr, have you tried Wubi?
[08:22] <Ken8521> RikFshr, does 7 boot OK?
[08:22] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: What version of super grub CD did you use?
[08:23] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, thats a good point.
[08:23] <RikFshr> super grub 0.9799 and 1.30
[08:23] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: What happened when you tried to boot Ubuntu with 1.30?
[08:24] <RikFshr> Win 7 boots fine and everything worked 2 weeks ago
[08:24] <geekphreak> RikFshr:  what error do you get and can you pastebin sudo fdisk -l
[08:24] <RikFshr> I should have done IRC from laptop now I am on the machine with the problem and no way to try anything :-(
[08:25] <Ken8521> RikFshr, well are you gonna answer any of the questions that have been posed?
[08:26] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: Can you give a vague description, do you get an error message? Do you see the Ubuntu logo? Does it freeze with a black screen without any error messages?
[08:26] <RikFshr> Super Grub didn't offer to repair MBR or anything that seemed useful
[08:26] <geekphreak> RikFshr:  do you get any error messages when you try to boot by any chance or grub just sits there
[08:26] <RikFshr> It just boot sstraight to Windoze 7
[08:27] <d33d> RikFshr, what version of ubuntu are you installing?
[08:27] <Ken8521> so grub doesnt even come up?
[08:27] <RikFshr> Nothing seems to get the bootloader to see the Ubuntu
[08:27] <RikFshr> No grub
[08:27] <RikFshr> I went through LiveCD Ubuntu to fix or install grub and still nothing
[08:28] <geekphreak> is this a dell system?
[08:28] <Ken8521> RikFshr, when you're on the live CD, can you browse the drive, and see that Ubuntu, did in fact, install?
[08:28] <RikFshr> Yes I can see the Ubuntu partition in LIveCD
[08:28] <Ken8521> ok
[08:28] <RikFshr> Gateway P4
[08:29] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: The grub2 developers don't belive that bootloaders should be installed by bootloaders (and in fact grub legacy couldn't completely install itself from the bootloader either). Super grub2 disk should let you boot into Ubuntu though.
[08:29] <RikFshr> Jordan_U I know that's what I tried several times but it doesn't boot Ubuntu
[08:29] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: What does happen?
[08:30] <RikFshr> Honestly I tried so many things I don't recall.
[08:30] <RikFshr> Give me somethign to try and I'll go to it!
[08:30] <Ken8521> RikFshr, boot the live CD, and come back here
[08:30] <RikFshr> K
[08:31] <RikFshr> Cya soon!
[08:31]  * Ken8521 has a feeling he won't be able to figure out how to boot the cd
[08:32] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: He says he already has used the liveCD
[08:32] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, i'm just not that confident...
[08:32] <Ken8521> i hope he proves me wrong
[08:33] <geekphreak> Jordan_U:  i hope he is choosing th eright device to install the loader on
[08:34] <crucialhoax> Is there a way to make the default theme darker? Specifically the window borders and panels? They are grey, not black...
[08:35] <geekphreak> still looking for other options , what else could eb the reaon, i had similar issues with one of the dells, grub keps getting washed off dual boot win 7/ubuntu 9.10
[08:35] <Ken8521> usually when i have trouble w/ grub or installing, i blame it on the guy who watches me shave... and usually, i'm right.
[08:35] <Ken8521> :)
[08:36] <Ken8521> MBR fix is a good tool, if you've never used it
[08:36] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: grow a beard :)
[08:36] <Ken8521> :)
[08:37] <d33d> i guess my irc died.
[08:38] <Ken8521> it happens
[08:39] <geekphreak>  cya folks
[08:39] <d33d> geek was running kubuntu?
[08:39] <d33d> odd.
[08:39] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: I don't break your bootloader, I only stalk you.
[08:39] <d33d> i guess he could have had Konversation installed on a gnome desktop.
[08:39] <Ken8521> lol
[08:41] <Ken8521> http://www.sysint.no/nedlasting/mbrfix.htm
[08:42] <Ken8521> there's an awesome tool, for restoring windows MBR's, backing up MBR's w/ grub on them, etc.
[08:42] <Ken8521> as long as you can get to windows to use it
[08:44] <nosse1> Hi. Just installed Lucid. Have anyone else noticed a change in the fonts? I had a very good font rendering which I used in consoles on Karmic. I'm using the Monospace font as default, and IIRC the DPI and anti aliasing settings are the same
[08:45] <Ken8521> nosse1, looks the same to me,
[08:46] <nosse1> I'm unable to find the same nice small font in Lucid. Let me see if I can provide a screen dump comparison...
[08:52] <d33d> nosse1, not sure if you'll like it but I use the ttf-droid fonts... they are clean 8pt and awesome.... (well i set them to 8pt)
[08:53] <nosse1> d33d: thanks, but my point is that the Monospace (Vera I think) rendering has changed. It *did* render beautifully on karmic
[08:54] <Jordan_U> nosse1: What graphics card do you have? lucid adds KMS support for ATI and Nvidia hardware, though that should just give you a higher resolution console.
[08:54] <d33d> nosse1, oh. yeah it probably changed. are you looking for "verification" of that...or?
[08:56] <nosse1> Jordan_U: I'm running Nvidia 195 driver
[08:57] <nosse1> d33d: I'm not sure what you mean by "verification", but my goal of this would be to get back to that font. Because with it I was capable of getting a nice font and yet it was very compact
[08:59] <nosse1> When I change the font size through 9 to 6, the spacing changes (i.e. what latex would call "em"), so the aspect ratio of the font isn't preserved when changing it
[08:59] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: If you are going to be here for a while would you mind pinging me if RikFshr returns? I'm the developer of super grub2 disk so if it's legitimately failing to boot his Ubuntu install (and it's not a wubi install, I'll support that in 1.99) I'd like to know why so I can fix it.
[08:59] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, sure.
[09:00] <nosse1> I'm trying to start my Karmic in VirtualBox, but I cannot start it due to some kernel issue it seems...
[09:00] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Thanks
[09:01] <Ken8521> nosse1, are you trying to start the live ISO, or an OS you've installed?
[09:02] <nosse1> Ken8521: VB issue to boot a virtual harddisk, not live ISO. And not the OSE version of VB
[09:04] <Ken8521> so how are you attempting to install karmic in vbox?
[09:04] <switchgirl> bagpuss_thecat, you know java don't you?
[09:04] <nosse1> Ken8521: I have it already. The image is from before I upgraded to Lucid.
[09:05] <nosse1> Here's something odd IMHO: Go into appearance -> Fonts. For fixed font, select Monospace 9. Then enter Details. At the same time open a new console (which uses the system font)
[09:06] <Ken8521> nosse1, well is it on CD, or what?..
[09:06] <nosse1> If you select "Slight" under Hinting and then "Full" then font rendering changes completely on my machine
[09:07] <nosse1> Ken8521: I upgraded my host computer yesterday from Karmic to Lucid. My comments about VB are only in order for me to demonstrate how it behaves on Karmic, that's all
[09:08] <Ken8521> nosse1, i understand... and you're trying to boot karmic in vbo, right?
[09:09] <nosse1> Ken8521: yup. I'll figure out why VB wont start in a minute. Now, I'm trying to focus on the fonts issue :D
[09:09] <Ken8521> i really have no idea on the fonts
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> From the Hills, I shout: Guud Morning
[09:10] <nosse1> But does anyone else see this behaviour?
[09:12] <KingFisher> I'm back from my dual boot problem!
[09:12] <KingFisher> Formerly known as Rick
[09:13] <KingFisher> On a hunch I ran Super Grub 0.9799 and fixed my boot issue
[09:14] <KingFisher> Would someone remind me of the grub command to get Grub to also list Windows
[09:15] <iconmefisto> KingFisher: grub should detect other oses. sudo update-grub will update /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:16] <KingFisher> Thanks
[09:17] <KingFisher> So SuperGrub worked after all
[09:18] <KingFisher> What does everyone think about updating to Beta 2 versus waiting for 9 days for the final
[09:19] <alvin> KingFisher: I'm pondering that myself. I experience very severe issues with Lucid and have doubts that they will be fixed in 9 days. On the other hand, not everyone experienced these issues. (without exception these are boot issues)
[09:19] <nosse1> Is there a pastebin for images somewhere?
[09:20] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | nosse1
[09:21] <Jordan_U> alvin: What type of boot issues?
[09:21] <alvin> In kubuntu, PrtScr does not work by default. Use ksnapshot
[09:21] <alvin> Oh, the not being able to boot part. Want me to find the bug numbers so you can check whether the requirements apply for you?
[09:21] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: No need to ping me anymore BTW.
[09:21] <iconmefisto> alvin: in kubuntu, PrtScr starts ksnapshot here
[09:22] <KingFisher> Alvin I always like to get it when it first comes out but I also use Windows for everyday stuff
[09:22] <alvin> iconmefisto: You probably have it set in global shortcuts. I didn't get around to that yet
[09:22] <Jordan_U> alvin: Bug numbers would be great.
[09:22] <alvin> ok, give me a moment to find all boot bugs I'm suffering from
[09:22] <trijntje> Hi all, I want to upgrade my 9.04 system to 10.4 (I know its not release yet), but update-manager -d doesnt seem to work. What is the proper way to get to lucid?
[09:23] <Jordan_U> trijntje: You need to upgrade to 9.10 first
[09:23] <LSD|Ninja> trijntje: wait 6 months for 10.10 :P
[09:23] <KingFisher> My Ubuntu Beta 2 disk hangs. I suspect a bad CD is there a way to test the disk while I am in Ubuntu
[09:24] <LSD|Ninja> There's no way in hell they're going to get everything that needs to be fixed done in time for an end of april launch, but that's nothing new for an LTS >_<
[09:24] <trijntje> Jordan_U: LSD|Ninja, never mind, update-manager -d worked the second time. Its like magic ;)
[09:24] <iconmefisto> trijntje: I did my upgrade in terminal with sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[09:25] <Jordan_U> KingFisher: If you press escape at boot there is an option to check the CD for defects.
[09:25] <KingFisher> Jordan_U thanks I forget there are things to press while booting!
[09:26] <nosse1> I get two very different renderings of the screen fonts when I select "slight" hinting or "full" hinting. See http://imagebin.org/93683 vs. http://imagebin.org/93684
[09:27] <Jordan_U> KingFisher: It's new in lucid, since they now by default present you with the installer with a button to go to the live Deskop they don't need to show the meny at boot (but still allow you to get to it for advanced options).
[09:30] <alvin> KingFisher, Jordan_U. Here is the list: Very critical (read: for me) are bug 360378 and bug 563895 (also in Karmic). More or less related bugs I always have are bug 563902, bug 527666, bug 563117 and bug 557909. Then, more cosmetic ones are bug 444563, bug 563916 and bug 420077. Some of these bugs were also in Karmic. The worst part is that I'm testing Lucid to see whether I can mount NFS drives well at boot. This is supposed to be fixed,
[09:30] <alvin>  but I can't check well because of all other issues that have risen.
[09:31] <nosse1> How to trigger recompile of the "extra" kernel modules?
[09:31] <alvin> ubottu has given up. Gotta find 'm all. :-)
[09:32] <nosse1> ...I think something about dkms IIRC
[09:34] <Ken8521> sorry Jordan_U stepped away for af ew
[09:39] <nosse1> How can I alter the behaviour to change workspace when dragging a window to the screen edge? Where is it?
[09:44] <Jordan_U> alvin: The grub bug is interesting, you're right that it probably won't be fixed in lucid before release but upstream grub tends to get fixes into trunk very quickly and it may make it into a point release (LTSs have them, non LTS don't). Do you happen to have a serial port to capture debug output from?
[09:45] <alvin> You mean the 'disk not found when booting mdadm with snapshots bug'?
[09:45] <dima> Hi, is this a right place to ask kubuntu lucid specific question?
[09:45] <Jordan_U> alvin: Yes
[09:45] <alvin> I can capture output by means of a KVM-over-ip switch. Would that be any good? There's not much output
[09:46] <dima> I've got a problem. Plasma wouldn't start after upgrade to lucid. Anything I can do?
[09:46] <alvin> Jordan_U: Actually, all output is in the bug report. I have only 3 lines (error: no such disk)
[09:47] <Jordan_U> alvin: If you run "set debug=all" you will get much more output (which is why you really need serial to get it all).
[09:48] <zniavre> do you experience really huge border around thumbnail in the desktop ?
[09:48] <alvin> Jordan_U: In what file do I set the debug?
[09:48] <zniavre> is that a feature or what ?
[09:49] <alvin> I'll check the BIOS to see if serial is possible.
[09:52] <Jordan_U> alvin: Normally the grub.cfg but you aren't getting far enough for that to be read yet. You can run it at the rescue shell but you probably won't get much usefull if you start debugging only after the lvm module is loaded. The easiest thing to do is probably to use super grub2 disk (so that you can get to a full grub shell and "set debug=all" before needing to insmod lvm).
[09:55] <alvin> Jordan_U: I could just boot the system too (it's possible to remove the snapshot using the ubuntu rescue option on the install cd)
[09:55] <alvin> Jordan_U: This could take a while. The only portable pc with serial connection I have here is a pentium II.
[09:56] <Jordan_U> alvin: But then you wouldn't get debug output from it failing.
[09:56] <alvin> Jordan_U: No worries. I'll just make another snapshot and reboot. It WILL fail
[09:56] <Jordan_U> alvin: If you can reproduce it in qemu that would work as well.
[09:58] <Jordan_U> alvin: Here is an image for super grub disk based on grub 1.98 (which is the version used in lucid) http://prdownload.berlios.de/supergrub/super_grub_disk_hybrid-1.98s1-rc1.iso. It has serial terminal enabled by default.
[09:58] <alvin> Jordan_U: Hmm, good idea. I probably can
[09:59] <Ken8521> when did you get so involved w/ grub Jordan_U ?
[10:01] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: I started what I thought would be a one hour project for my College involving grub and it turned into something *much* more involved, then I submitted some patches for super grub2 disk and it turned out that Adrian, the primary developer wasn't working on it actively.
[10:02] <Ken8521> and lucky you...lol
[10:02] <Ken8521> i was trying to figure out how to make it boot a USB a couple weeks ago.
[10:02] <Ken8521> my PC is incapable of booting USB, and I'd read somewhere that grub could boot the USB.
[10:07] <Jordan_U> alvin: There is an option in the menu of the image I gave you titled "Enable grub's raid support". I haven't done much with raid myself so I haven't tested it yet (it's one of the things I need to do before releasing 1.98s1). So don't be surprised if it doesn't work but please ping me if you can either way.
[10:07] <alvin> Jordan_U: I'm still booting the Pentium II :-) I'll test both the ubuntu grub and your cd. Could take a while though
[10:09] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: "insmod ohci; insmod uhci; insmod usbms" but at this stage grub's USB code is just as likely to make grub freeze as it is to work (someone's just recently taken on the job of fixing it up though).
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> a bit OT, but maybe someone can help me: my debian system, lost my mouse... was working till a few minutes ago. other mouse same thing. this mouse on other PC works. how can I restart some X component??
[10:11] <Jordan_U> alvin: I going to sleep now anyway, thanks for taking the time to file bugs and especially going the extra mile to get debug output.
[10:28] <sirius> hi
[10:43] <odie5533> Is there a mini 10.04 install disc?
[10:45] <hyper_ch> hi there, anyone else has problems their scanners to get recognized in Lucid? Neither the webcam nor my printer/scanner is being recognized anymore
[11:07] <thecookie> Any update on the sound issues?
[11:08] <bagpuss_thecat> switchgirl: eh, no
[11:09] <coc0nut> hyper_ch: My printer works in Lucid, haven't tried my scanner.
[11:09] <coc0nut> I can try tonight and let you know if you want.
[11:09] <coc0nut> The printer worked but the scanner wasn't even detected in FreeBSD. >.>
[11:11] <hyper_ch> printer works fine
[11:12] <hyper_ch> but neither the printer scanner nor the webcam is recognized as scanner device
[11:13] <thecookie> bleh, no sound or 3d hardware
[11:15] <hyper_ch> sound is overrated :)
[11:15] <thecookie> Too bad I need symlinks for this project I'm working on, otherwise I'd be in win7 :)
[11:15] <hyper_ch> can't you read lips and heard the sound from the visual sound specter?
[11:17] <switchgirl> a linux machine is 32 bit whats the windows equivelent?
[11:17] <hyper_ch> switchgirl: ?
[11:18] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: care to explain that?
[11:18] <switchgirl> im setting up windows 7 on a vm... i am on lunux lucid as a host
[11:18] <eveningsky> switchgirl, windows and linux are both available in either 32 bit or 64 bit versions.
[11:18] <switchgirl> lucid lynx rather and linux 32bit
[11:19] <hyper_ch> if you want a 64bit guest OS you need to have
[11:19] <switchgirl> windows calling it 64 or x86
[11:19] <Ken8521> if you have a 32bit host, don't you need a 32bit guest?
[11:19] <hyper_ch> you can setup a 64bit guest os on a 32bit host
[11:20] <Ken8521> ohcan you?.. didn't knwo that
[11:20] <Ken8521> never tried it
[11:20] <hyper_ch> never tried myself but read that you can if your mobo and cpu supports it
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> wow confusion
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> most VMs can emulate the 64bits on 32bits host
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> but it will be *slower*
[11:20] <Ken8521> BUGabundo_remote, so you kinda lose any 64bit benefit
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> you can have >4gb of ram
[11:21] <IRConan> indeed... you're best using the same arch unless you're specifically trying to emulate a different one
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> but even that access is emulated
[11:21] <switchgirl> i have 2.5 gb ram and have had no issues on karmic
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: host 64bits with vms in 32, aren't any prob at all
[11:22] <IRConan> BUGabundo_remote: yeah but there's no reason to do so unless you're specifically trying to create a 32-bit userland
[11:22] <Ken8521> switchgirl, what exactly is your question?
[11:22] <IRConan> or ofc the platform doesn't support 64
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: I didn't have issues in karmic. but do you have any with lucid?
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: stupid habbits, I guess
[11:24] <switchgirl> Ken8521, was wondering what bit to set up as i had forgotton
[11:24] <Tenkawa> Anyone know if elantech touchpad support will make it into lucid?
[11:24] <switchgirl> i'm setting it up now... was saying that yes its never given me issues before
[11:24] <Ken8521> switchgirl, well, is there a particular reason you want one or the other?
[11:24] <Ken8521> oh ok
[11:24] <switchgirl> aka IRConan was wrong.... it IS possible
[11:24] <Ven]n> is it a bad idea to install 2.6.33 ?
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: not officially supported
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> do you need something from it ?
[11:25] <Ven]n> my broadcom wifi
[11:25] <ysr> hello guys...
[11:25] <IRConan> switchgirl: i didn't say it's impossible
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: please don't acuse ppl of something. no one said it wouldn't work
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> just that he didn't know if it would
[11:25] <ysr> can i ask for something please....
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> hi ysr
[11:25] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, b43 driver with 14e4:4315 (Broadcom bcm4312 rev 01)
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> !ask | ysr
[11:25] <Ven]n> apparently it works out of the box in 2.6.33
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: did you file a bug against the kernel, stating it works with .33?
[11:26] <Ven]n> nope
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> maybe support for it, can be backported
[11:26] <ysr> ups sorry....
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: please do. thanks
[11:26] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, there are ways to make it work.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1266620
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: let me know the bug id
[11:26] <Ven]n> too novice to do that
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> ysr: np
[11:27] <Ven]n> :)
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: to file a bug?
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> no one is
[11:27] <Ven]n> Im not sure what the bug is
[11:27] <switchgirl> i am sorry BUGabundo_remote and IRConan it was a statement of fact not an accusation
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: just open a teminal console and type: ubuntu-bug linux
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> you will be redirected to a login page on launchpad.net
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> !bugs
[11:27] <Ven]n> believe its already filed
[11:27] <ysr> ok, this my problem, my plymouth seems doesn't work well..... it's very big.... where should i config it??
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: what's the bug id, then?
[11:28] <Ven]n> considering the thread at 51 pages :)
[11:28] <Ven]n> dont know
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> believe me... ppl rant, and don't file bugs
[11:28] <Ven]n> been a while since I tried to make it work
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: can you do a search on LP
[11:29] <Ven]n> ill try
[11:29] <switchgirl> is it too early for volcano jokes or should i let the dust settle first?
[11:29] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, quite a few matching 14e4:4315
[11:30] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, 408357 for instance
[11:31] <BUGabundo_remote> phone bbl
[11:31] <Ven]n> how to disable ubuntu locking after X minutes?
[11:31] <Ven]n> and requiring me to type in password
[11:33] <vega> Ven]n: System -> Preferences -> Screensaver ... ?
[11:33] <Ven]n> thanks
[11:38] <SandGorgon> does anybody have .33 or .34 kernels working in 10.04 ? I tried it on my kubuntu 10.04 install, but I dont get my ethernet or wifi drivers
[11:40] <vega> .32 seems to be newest kernel in my mirror
[11:40] <vega> hard to believe that the kernel would change anymore at this point
[11:41] <G_A_C> SandGorgon: they're probably in the restricted-extras package which is only available for official kernels and not in the MainlineKernel archive
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 408357
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> vega: no. .32 will be the kernel for lucid as it is an LTS
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> we already discussed this the other day
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: do you have a dell mini too ?
[11:44] <alvin> Jordan_U: bug 563895 can not be circumvented with supergrubdisk. I can insmod raid and lvm, but supergrubdisk will not find an OS. This issue is worse than I thought. I'd like to post debug output, but it's too much for the serial console and the logs look worthless without line breaks.
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: that's a pretty old bug. do you have a recent one, with current kernel?  or can you file a new one, stating it works with .33?
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> assuming you have tested .33 at all
[11:53] <brianherman> Nine more days!
[11:55] <IRConan> by the sound of things I'd prefer it were longer
[11:55] <iconmefisto_> I'd prefer fixes were faster
[11:55] <BUGabundo_remote> iconmefisto_: patches accepted
[11:57] <c0vert> well the quick release dates are one of the reasons why ubuntu is so far ahead
[11:59] <alvin> far ahead in what area?
[12:00] <IRConan> I'm not a fan of time based release cycle
[12:01] <Votan> alvin version numbers if u ignore the "." :> soon to release version 1004 :>
[12:01] <c0vert> lol
[12:01] <IRConan> if there's a major known bug you shouldn't release... no questions
[12:01] <alvin> I'm with IRConan on that one
[12:02] <IRConan> I could understand if they ran time based except for LTS release
[12:02] <c0vert> there's plenty of other distro's to choose form that aren't time released
[12:02] <IRConan> that's true
[12:02] <IRConan> I don't actually use ubuntu on anything at the moment
[12:02] <alvin> Every release seems plagued by a few issues that never get resolved within that release. It always looks like support ends a month after release
[12:02] <IRConan> considering putting it on something when lucid comes out if they fix enough of the crap before then
[12:03] <c0vert> i haven't really had once issue with it yet
[12:03] <alvin> I have my reasons to use Ubuntu, but the hurried releases are not one of them.
[12:03] <IRConan> well I recently tried an apt-get install gnome and got a block in the dep resolution
[12:03] <IRConan> that's a fairly major issue
[12:03] <alvin> Some people haven't. but you probably didn't use Jaunty on an Intel Graphics card then. Or Karmic on another Intel Graphics card. Or NFS mounts in karmic, (or LVM in Lucid)
[12:04] <IRConan> lvm is broken in lucid? that would be a showstopper on the device I'm thinking of
[12:04] <c0vert> i'm quite happy i have an amd based laptop with ati graphics now..no more intel anything problems
[12:05] <IRConan> what do you use for ATI graphics? fglrx is the spawn of the devil!
[12:05] <alvin> IRConan: LVM looks very broken to me in Lucid. Well, the volumes are there, but there are plenty of boot problems when you use lvm.
[12:05] <c0vert> i used whatever it gave me, didn't really look to be honest
[12:05] <alvin> and 9 days to fix (grub2beta/upstart/mountall/plymouth) doesn't seem a lot of time
[12:06] <c0vert> but i have my ati catalyst controls in my preferences menu
[12:06] <iconmefisto> IRConan: the radeon driver works well for me
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: you should have used ubuntu-desktop , not gnome :D
[12:06] <alvin> or Kubuntu
[12:06] <unixp> which version of linux would u recommend for an slow pc like athlo 1.8GHz 1GB 40GB HDD. using for webside editing, else gimp, much internet tabs
[12:06] <IRConan> BUGabundo_remote: I didn't want ubuntu-desktop
[12:06] <om26er> trying 20100419.1 build and nothing comes after the cursor is shown ttys show athentication failed
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> unixp: any
[12:07] <IRConan> I wanted gnome
[12:07] <joaopinto> unixp, bettes ask on #Linux
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: wrong distro then
[12:07] <IRConan> BUGabundo_remote: stop trolling
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm not trolling
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm and Ubuntu Member
[12:07] <IRConan> I know!
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I do user support every day
[12:07] <alvin> ubuntu-desktop is about the same as gnome. You should install ubuntu-desktop (and remove stuff afterwards, if there are thing there you don't like/need)
[12:08] <joaopinto> IRConan, Ubuntu tries to provide default options for most users, it is not an highly customizable distro
[12:08] <IRConan> but that doesn't give you the right to tell me what package I should install
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I promote the use of open source
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I didn't
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I recommended
[12:08] <IRConan> ubuntu-desktop depends on the gnome meta-package
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> and pointed that what you wanted to do, was not the best option in the current distro
[12:08] <c0vert> when i try to use a few compiz features my screen just turns white..and that's about the only problem i've had with my radeon
[12:08] <IRConan> there is nothing wrong with trying to install the gnome meta-package without the rest of the ubuntu-desktop stuff
[12:09] <IRConan> fe... I didn't want openoffice installed
[12:09] <alvin> I think you can block some packages
[12:10] <IRConan> seems more sensible to not install the meta-package which depends on the stuff you don't want
[12:10] <IRConan> it is unquestionably a bug that the gnome meta-package doesn't install