[12:21] <xnox> cjwatson, is there something special that needs doing to enable livefs builds for a user? https://launchpad.net/~xnox/+livefs/ubuntu/artful/ubuntu-server-live/+build/102353 should be public and is not building =(
[12:21]  * xnox is trying to hack up a way to spin up subiquity s390x livefs
[12:22] <wgrant> xnox: That livefs is not configured as non-virt.
[12:22] <xnox> ah
[12:22] <xnox> require_virtualized
[12:22] <xnox> (writeable)
[12:22] <xnox> Require virtualized builders
[12:22] <xnox> Only build this live filesystem image on virtual builders.
[12:23] <cjwatson> Right, exactly the same thing I mentioned last night :)
[12:23] <xnox> i did not realise it's a setting on the livefs, rather than the PPA =)
[12:23] <xnox> now i see require_virtualized in the livefs object in the api docs
[12:25] <cjwatson> PPAs have it as well, but the livefs setting is independent because a livefs is built from a PPA, not into a PPA
[12:25] <cjwatson> (or from an archive, in general)
[12:26] <xnox> right.
[12:27] <xnox> cjwatson, please set require_virtualized to False on https://api.launchpad.net/devel/~xnox/+livefs/ubuntu/artful/ubuntu-server-live ? it's for me to build s390x subiquity images
[12:27] <xnox> i will build things with my nonvirt ppa
[12:27] <xnox> which has s390x enabled.
[12:28] <xnox> also, i thought scalingstack has s390x now, such that slowly s390x kvm builders can be added.
[12:28] <wgrant> xnox: Not yet; we're still one GRE tunnel from having a working cloud there.
[12:28] <xnox> (and then decommissioning z/VMs and getting more kvm builds)
[12:28] <wgrant> And there'll be nothing slow about that migration :)
[12:28] <xnox> right =) i see
[12:28] <wgrant> I expect it to take all of a day, and 23h30 of that day will be an abundance of caution.
[12:29] <xnox> love it "working" cloud. Somehow it seems the bar is high for wgrant to bless something as "working"
[12:29] <wgrant> The cloud can spawn instances. They just can't talk to the outside world yet, so they're not very useful.
[12:41] <cjwatson> xnox: Done, though you'll probably have to cancel the pending build and re-request it.
[12:43] <xnox> ack, thank you!
[12:44] <xnox> win \o/ it's building. not just have to make it work.... =)


[00:02] <nhaines> akk: representative bucket hat http://www.amazon.com/Pigment-Dyed-Bucket-Hat-Khaki-W12S43E/dp/B000FGYXUM
[00:04] <akk> Ah! Those are more fun than baseball caps (though less effective at shading eyes from sun). And good as rainhats too.
[00:04] <nhaines> Yup!  :)  Great for hiking.
[00:05] <akk> And easy to stow, crumple away in a backpack, etc.
[00:07] <nhaines> And usually a nice drawstring chin strap in case it's very windy!
[00:33]  * bkerensa pings jatatum
[00:52] <pleia2> netflix on chromebook \o/
[00:53] <akk> netflix streaming?
[00:53] <pleia2> yep
[00:53] <akk> Whoa -- how do they do that?
[00:54] <akk> Thought it required a windows/mac binary app to do the DRM?
[00:54] <pleia2> apparently it's not all silverlight anymore :)
[00:54] <pleia2> there have been development checkins for a netflix plugin in ChromeOS for a couple of months now, so we knew it was coming
[00:55] <akk> Any idea how it works, and whether it will be available for Linux too?
[00:55] <pleia2> bkerensa spoke with some netflix guys at OSCON who said they were seriously working on something for linux
[00:55] <akk> (not that it affects me personally -- we've been celebrating the netflix price break for dvd-only)
[00:56] <pleia2> http://benjaminkerensa.com/netflix-instant-is-coming-to-the-entire-linux
[00:56] <akk> Cool!
[00:56] <akk> I'm glad to know it even though we're happy with dvd-only.
[01:02] <bkerensa> Im not the only one who was there when the netflix engineers said it
[01:02] <pleia2> it's silly how excited I am about this :) I've been snuggling around my phone to watch tv before bed
[01:02] <bkerensa> thefinn93 was at the ubuntu booth too but I think he only heard bits and pieces
[01:02] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, but you're the only one who is in this channel right now :)
[01:03] <bkerensa> Yeah
[01:03] <bkerensa> only because I'm a native californian
[01:03] <bkerensa> :P
[01:03] <bkerensa> pleia2: Groklaw, TechRepublic (cnet) and like six other people linked to that Netflix post not sure why its such a big deal
[01:03] <bkerensa> :P
[01:04] <bkerensa> I will still use my Xbox even when it does come
[01:04] <pleia2> it's been a sore point for a lot of folks switching to Ubuntu
[01:04] <pleia2> mostly I watch on our TV (it has a netflix app)
[01:05] <bkerensa> Nice
[01:05] <philipballew> roku is not a bad option
[01:05] <bkerensa> ehh
[01:05] <bkerensa> :P
[01:05] <bkerensa> Roku = Donkey
[01:05] <philipballew> haha. maybe
[01:05] <bkerensa> I set Roku's up for people all the time... So sad how tech illiterate people are... I charge $25 just to plug a roku in
[01:05] <bkerensa> :)
[01:06] <bkerensa> Roku imho is bloatware and their netflix interface is not as nice as XBL
[01:06] <pleia2> yeah, I pay someone $25 to change the oil in my car
[01:07] <bkerensa> I can't do that either
[01:07] <bkerensa> then again I prefer public transit
[01:07] <bkerensa> :D
[01:07]  * philipballew can, but lacks a car
[01:08] <philipballew> public transit is nice. I got to sf from east of sac for 12 dollars
[01:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: Just fyi Dreamhost will give sponsored hosting to Loco's
[01:08] <pleia2> bkerensa: cool
[01:08] <philipballew> dreamhost gives free hosting to non-profits
[01:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: Their community manager is a cool guy and said he loves ubuntu so he will waive the 501(c)(3) requirement
[01:08] <pleia2> we had a really hard time getting hosting for our non-profit from them, but we got it eventually
[01:08] <bkerensa> philipballew: correct
[01:08] <bkerensa> :D
[01:08] <bkerensa> lol
[01:08] <bkerensa> really?
[01:09] <pleia2> yeah, we're not all famous and connected so we don't get special favors ;)
[01:09] <bkerensa> psh... You have better connections then me
[01:09] <philipballew> the church I go to used them... then someone convinced them go daddy is the way. but I really like dreamhost
[01:09] <pleia2> right now ubuntu-california.org is running on a linode donated to ubuntu pennsylvania
[01:09] <bkerensa> If I could move back to Cali I would in a second
[01:09] <pleia2> (ubuntu-us.org runs there too)
[01:10] <bkerensa> Oregon is pretty dry when it comes to tech and such
[01:10] <pleia2> I dunno, I think california is just exceptionally tech heavy
[01:10] <pleia2> oregon is probably normal :)
[01:10] <bkerensa> Quote : Hi support folks,
[01:10] <bkerensa> Can you setup Benjamin for a DH non profit account? He isn't a 501-c3 but we're giving him one anyway because we love Oregon and Ubuntu rocks!
[01:10] <bkerensa> You can jabber me or email me if you need more info.
[01:10] <bkerensa> Thanks guys.
[01:10] <pleia2> hah, nice
[01:10] <philipballew> what happened to servers in your basement and local websites!
[01:11] <pleia2> lol
[01:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: The problem would be bandwidth prices going up in U.S. versus down
[01:11] <pleia2> residentially
[01:11] <philipballew> yeah. att god mad at me for hosting a server in my house
[01:11] <philipballew> *got
[01:12] <pleia2> it breaks the TOS for most residential lines
[01:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah Linode is cool... I have a box with them but at OSCON I got a golden ticket in a chocolate bar that gave me any MediaTemple dV-server for a year for free
[01:12] <philipballew> philipballew.com is now down...
[01:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: mediatemple had a killer outage on sunday :(
[01:12] <pleia2> (fortunately I wasn't on call!)
[01:12] <bkerensa> I'm unsure if they thought through the fact that their largest Dv for a year is $15k
[01:12] <bkerensa> :P
[01:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: Linode had a outage at fremont the other day
[01:13] <pleia2> aha, but did you think through the pain of migrating off a $15k/yr box? :)
[01:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: I would never use all the space so I would have likely just shrinked it down :)
[01:13] <pleia2> hehe
[01:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: I decided to take their 1GB dv anyways but I did test the coupon on their largest and it worked :P
[01:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: You work for MT or one of their DC's?
[01:14] <pleia2> the linode folks are in jersey so I've known them for a long time, and I'm bias :)
[01:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know psandin?
[01:14] <pleia2> bkerensa: neither, the compay I work for has a client who has a couple servers over there
[01:14] <pleia2> I don't think so
[01:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: He is one of their support guys that was at OSCON... Apparently he is even from Oregon originally :) I got him uber tipsy and filmed him at the carnival
[01:15] <bkerensa> :P
[01:15] <pleia2> cool :)
[01:15]  * bkerensa just remembered channel is logged
[01:15]  * bkerensa whistles
[01:15] <pleia2> lol
[01:16] <akk> I thought Portland was very tech- and linux-heavy ... probably not the rest of Oregon, though.
[01:16] <bkerensa> Linode is good people though... and they gave out $25 credits too... So I just spun down my Linode temporarily till the MT runs out
[01:17] <bkerensa> akk: Portland is very.... Weird.... People use Ubuntu like crazy here but I don't think they know what Terminal is
[01:17] <bkerensa> akk: I would say Oregon has more Ubuntu users then any other state hands down
[01:17] <akk> Well, ubuntu does sort of try to hide things like terminals and cmdlines, and pretend they don't need them. :)
[01:18] <bkerensa> akk: FreeGeek.org gives out hundreds of Ubuntu computers every month so the state is saturated with Ubuntu :P
[01:18] <akk> Nice!
[01:19] <grantbow> accrc.org aka. mcrc.org gives out quite a few each month. Not sure of the numbers.
[01:19] <grantbow> in the bay area
[01:19] <bkerensa> grantbow: Cool.... and Partimus does Fedora right?
[01:20] <philipballew> akk linus lives near portland area I think
[01:20] <grantbow> Ubuntu LTS with some Fedora running Sugar that we are starting to work with.
[01:21] <pleia2> fedora would be too tricky to support for the core systems, we need a stable stopping point that's upgradable and the LTS releases work well for that
[01:21] <bkerensa> philipballew: Yeah he lives in Beaverton I think but I imagine he doesnt like Ubuntu
[01:21] <bkerensa> :)
[01:22] <akk> I haven't even heard lately what distro Linus is using.
[01:22] <pleia2> but we do know that he's using xfce ;)
[01:22] <akk> Or hardware -- a while back he was using mostly Macs, but I think I heard otherwise recently.
[01:23] <akk> Yeah, I did hear about the XFCE thing. :)
[01:23] <philipballew> bkerensa, he has said that he likes the "easy to install systems" because he doesnt want to have to mess with configuring the system and he can just get right down to kernal development
[01:23] <philipballew> i heard fedora a while back
[01:23] <akk> It used to be fedora years ago, but dunno if that's still true. He does try new things and switch around sometimes.
[01:23] <bkerensa> philipballew: Yeah but I read somewhere recently he was criticizing the Gnome3 look and Unity is not to many steps away
[01:24] <philipballew> he hates gnome 3 I hear
[01:24] <akk> Yeah, though it's not so much the look, it's the lack of functionality.
[01:24] <philipballew> he used to be a kde user, then now xfce i think
[01:24] <pleia2> he switched to xfce from gnome
[01:24] <bkerensa> http://www.technewsworld.com/story/73026.html
[01:24] <pleia2> gnome3 is "an unholy mess"
[01:24] <bkerensa> based on that I think Linus would probably hate Unity just as much
[01:25] <bkerensa> and I don't blame him
[01:25] <akk> He was on KDE for a while because he was unhappy with gnome ... I think that was early in gnome2. Then after a few years, switched back to gnome (I wasn't clear why).
[01:25] <philipballew> I wonder if the average ubuntu user likes it
[01:25] <bkerensa> idk
[01:25] <akk> Unity is a bit more functional than gnome3.
[01:25]  * bkerensa thinks there should be a consensus for such drastic changes as moving to unity but oh well
[01:25] <pleia2> gnome3 and unity are young and a major diversion from the norm, everyone is going to hate them until they get mature :)
[01:26] <akk> Still missing a bunch of stuff and/or making things hard to access/discover.
[01:26] <bkerensa> akk: Indeed but it has the menu system Linus talks about disliking
[01:26] <philipballew> its hard to tell if the person, not involved in community, probably duel booting likes it as asking them is hard
[01:26] <pleia2> bkerensa: it was either that or gnome3, which is just as crazy change-wise as unity, can't support gnome2 forever :(
[01:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: gnome2 could be pushed or even made a little more crayola crayonish
[01:27]  * bkerensa is not for all this integrated sidebar stuff
[01:27] <bkerensa> its distracting and wastes system resources
[01:27] <bkerensa> :P
[01:27] <pleia2> I don't love the idea of sticking to old, unsupported stuff just because it's familiar
[01:27] <pleia2> heh yeah, well I use xfce
[01:27] <akk> I hate how everybody thinks they have to go all playskool just because Microsoft did it with Win XP.
[01:27]  * philipballew wants to have a easier time moving his unity interface around
[01:27] <bkerensa> I prefer efficient versus familiar
[01:27] <bkerensa> akk: +1 to you
[01:27] <akk> Great big buttons are okay if you're on a touchscreen, but unity doesn't really work for touchscreens yet anyway.
[01:28] <pleia2> bkerensa: fortunately there are lots of options in linux!
[01:28] <akk> They're awful if you're on a netbook or other low-res screen with a mouse.
[01:28] <pleia2> if you want efficient, you can have efficient :)
[01:28] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah but everyone will move eventually
[01:28] <bkerensa> other distros will follow suit
[01:28] <akk> I prefer efficient, but that means every new ubuntu release, I have to spend a bunch of time seeking out and killing all the new inefficiencies.
[01:29] <akk> (Fortunately not for the desktop, my nice openbox setup doesn't have to change)
[01:29]  * bkerensa will probably stay on Natty on laptop and just upgrade kernel and everything myself
[01:30] <philipballew> ill probably give 11.10 a try. i think unity has potental to get better
[01:33] <pleia2> yeah, unity will be much better in 11.10
[01:34]  * pleia2 cleans up messy desk
[01:37] <philipballew> I run xubuntu on 2v desktops, but unity on the laptop. there goal is still perfection by 12.04
[01:38]  * philipballew remembers watching the uds keynote few years back about that
[01:39] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, hey! did you get the flayer a few days ago?
[03:31]  * bkerensa pokes MarkDude
[03:35] <pleia2> MarkDude: green light on A's game Monday :)
[03:52] <MarkDude> Cool pleia2
[03:52] <MarkDude> Good to go
[03:56] <pleia2> :)
[04:11] <bkerensa> I love this longest Google+ hangout ever
[04:11] <bkerensa> anyone else join this yet :)
[04:15] <crashsystems> Anyone in this room have a CR-48 or another device running Chrome OS?
[04:16] <crashsystems> I'm looking for someone to grab the .so plugin file for the new Netflix Chrome OS plugin so I can see if it will work in Ubuntu.
[04:42] <bkerensa> crashsystems: It will not... One of Ubuntu Oregon members has one and sent me the plugin
[04:42] <bkerensa> :)
[04:43] <bkerensa> you can get so far as Netflix.com but then the site checks your useragent
[04:43] <crashsystems> :(
[04:43] <crashsystems> well, what about spoofing the user agent?
[04:44] <bkerensa> I dont think there is a chrome extension to do it yet
[04:45] <bkerensa> honestly I dont think its gonna work
[04:45] <bkerensa> lots of people have tried but I can send you the .so
[04:45] <crashsystems> that would be great, thanks
[04:47] <bkerensa> got a e-mail
[04:48] <bkerensa> I can e-mail it to you
[04:48] <crashsystems> mind if I pm it to you?
[04:48] <bkerensa> sure go ahead
[04:51] <crashsystems> thanks bkerensa. Btw did this come off a CR-48 or the Samsung Chromebook?
[04:51] <bkerensa> CR-48
[04:52] <crashsystems> and is netflixplugin.so the original filename?
[04:53] <bkerensa> yes
[04:53] <bkerensa> you need to do: google-chrome -d --register-pepper-plugins="/opt/google/chrome/netflixplugin.so;application/x-ppapi-netflix"
[04:55] <crashsystems> hmm, thats 32bit and I'm on a 64bit os...
[05:35] <bkerensa> :P Damn looters in UK probably looted the canonical package carrying my ubuntu tshirt
[05:35] <bkerensa> :P
[05:35]  * bkerensa shakes fist
[16:15] <bkerensa> so many people in the bay still use DSL
[16:15] <bkerensa> =o
[16:20] <akk> We use DSL because we run a server.
[16:22] <akk> I think that's the most common reason ... though when we set this up (long ago) cable wasn't even an option.
[16:57] <bkerensa> When I lived in San Fran I had DSL but I dont think I could ever go back to DSL now
[16:57] <bkerensa> I can't do less then 15Mbit/5Mbit
[16:59] <akk> I don't actually do that much high-bandwidth stuff anyway. Don't stream movies because I'd rather watch movies in the living room on the comfy sofa.
[17:09] <bkerensa> akk: I stream but watch it in the comfort of my big pillow top bed :)
[17:09] <bkerensa> Xbox Live
[17:09] <bkerensa> :D
[17:10] <akk> yeah, I don't care enough about streaming to buy new hardware for it and string that much ethernet cable (or a wifi repeater or something).
[17:11] <bkerensa> I think if I combine my Netflix + Spotify/LastFM + Normal DL's = Tons of bandwidth consumption
[17:12] <bkerensa> I have been going over 250GB for months now... Utterly surprised Comcast has not nuked me but I'm switching to Comcast Business Class soon I think
[17:22] <jyo> pleia2: Just read your Partimus post. So how many LUGs are in the Bay Area again?
[17:22] <pleia2> jyo: like a hundred thousand
[17:22] <pleia2> http://linuxmafia.com/bale/
[17:53] <bkerensa> Jono is about to do his Q+A
[18:45] <bkerensa> pleia2: Will you be at OSCON next year?
[18:46] <pleia2> bkerensa: doubtful
[18:47] <bkerensa> :(
[18:48] <pleia2> it's very expensive and I have limited time off next year (big vacation planned in january or february, wedding, honeymoon...)
[18:49] <bkerensa> oh cool
[18:49] <bkerensa> :D
[18:50] <bkerensa> Well I will have to come to a Ubuntu CA event next time I'm down
[18:50] <bkerensa> :D
[18:50] <bkerensa> I still have friends and family down there :P
[18:52] <pleia2> great :)
[22:18] <nhaines> Shiny oneiric greeter screen is shiny.
[22:41] <iheartubuntu> i think i solved my neighbors computer problem. i think it was overheating. the intake holes were all covered with lint. the rest of the inside didnt really look that dirty.
[22:41] <iheartubuntu> i also ran memtests on all 4 mem sticks
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> no errors on the newer 1GB chips, and there were two 256mb chips with one showing a couple of errors. usually its a bunch if there is an error
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> so i took out the two small chips
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> and ran a 5 hr memtest on the 2GBs and all was fine
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> the hard drive was running hot at all times. maybe the heat inside the case had something to with the hard drive problems.
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> i had trouble writing to zeros
[22:44] <iheartubuntu> an ubuntu disk would no longer even see the drive. ultimate boot disc saw it every once in a while
[22:44] <iheartubuntu> anyhow... i ordered a new drive and i thin kthats the prob
[22:44] <iheartubuntu> right now i have ubuntu installed on a 4GB drive :) only 1.6GB left but it runs just fine
[22:45] <iheartubuntu> the neighbor only uses the comp for accessing email and facebook, so that 4GB might even work out, but he wanted 160GB because it sounds impressive. only $25 on pricewatch.com so its all good
[22:48] <akk> Wow, $25 for 160G.
[22:48] <akk> And yeah, you can run ubuntu fine on 4Gb if you're not much of a pack-rat and know how to clean up, but you can be a lot lazier with 160.
[22:49] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: what version of ubuntu?
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> 10.10
[22:49] <pleia2> ah, as of 11.04 Ubiquity won't install on less than 4.4
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> he said "dont touch anything. i dont want it to look different. i want my BIG mail icon in the center where you put it"
[22:50] <pleia2> (learned this the hard way - Xubuntu uses Ubiquity and had this hard-coded limit too, which is not good since Xubuntu is much smaller)
[22:50] <pleia2> hah
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> for a 36 oz cold mug of the beer of my choice, i'll do whatever he wants
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> (computer related)
[22:51] <pleia2> lol
[22:51] <pleia2> clarification++
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> just to be clear :)
[22:51] <nhaines> Don't put the bad chips back in!
[22:52] <pleia2> yeah, the extra 512M won't matter much anyway
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> no no. he gets them. its only 512mb anyways
[22:52] <nhaines> Also treat the failed drive as bad and only use it again to copy data off of it, then RMA it.
[22:52] <akk> Ubiquity is the live CD installer?
[22:52] <nhaines> akk: yes.
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> the guy is hooked on ubuntu tho. his wife has endless problems with her vista laptop. he keeps telling her she needs ubuntu. she is for it, but wants to sit down and have me explain it to her
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> RMA?
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> return?
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> its a barracuda drive
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> ive seen more of those fail in my lifetime
[22:53] <nhaines> Yes, if it's under warranty.  Wipe it and take it to a e-recycling center if not.
[22:53] <pleia2> this is how we discovered the Ubiquity thing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784020
[22:54] <pleia2> ok, so it's not hard-coded, it's a feature ;)
[22:54] <nhaines> Because this chat is logged, now I have to say that I'm a technical services support auditor for Western Digital, and the advice I give is my own and does not represent the opinion or policy of my employer.
[22:55] <nhaines> Western Digital drives have the lowest failure rate in the industry.
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> i did buy a WD drive
[22:55] <nhaines> So it's not that our competitors make *bad* drives by any means, just that ours are better.  ;)
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> baraccudas are Piece of  Shiny
[22:56] <pleia2> nhaines: well, some of them do make bad drives :)
[22:56] <akk> I've seen very little correlation between brand and failure, and I've stopped trying to keep track of "brand X is good, brand Y is flaky".
[22:57] <nhaines> pleia2: I don't have an opinion on that.  ;)
[22:57] <pleia2> note to self: "fireball" is not just a witty name for a drive, it's a description of what happens to it
[22:57] <akk> Every time I buy a drive because "everyone says they're the best", it fails prematurely.
[22:57] <nhaines> akk: the WD failure rate is independantly verified.  But all drives do fail eventually so backups are critical!
[22:58] <akk> Right, nhaines (and yes, I've had good experiences with WD for quite a while now).
[22:58] <nhaines> \o/
[22:58] <pleia2> I've read some pretty scary articles about harddrive failure rates over the years, backup++
[22:58] <nhaines> I have to say that our RMA process is pretty nice, and we try to make things easy.
[22:58] <akk> Curiously, WD is the one people are always telling me I'm crazy to get. They used to have a bad rep, a long time ago.
[22:59] <pleia2> I've always gone with WDs
[22:59] <nhaines> Yeah, there was a stretch when the products were pretty lousy.  That was before I started working here.  Coincidence?
[22:59] <akk> But I've had better luck than with IBM or Seagate drives everybody says are awesome (I'm sure it's just random luck, not meaning to bash IBM or Seagate).
[22:59] <pleia2> lol
[23:00] <nhaines> I just had an old Maxtor drive start to fail... although I haven't ruled out the computer entirely.
[23:00] <pleia2> 2 hours until SF ubuntu hour, then debian dinner \o/
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> sounds like fun!
[23:14] <iheartubuntu> we have a meeting coming up sunday. where can i please find the link for the topics
[23:15] <pleia2> click on the "meetings" page on ubuntu-california.org
[23:15] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current
[23:15] <pleia2> or that :)
[23:15] <rww> currently, the topic is the rather riveting "Your agenda item here"
[23:15] <pleia2> hehe
[23:16] <pleia2> there, I added an agenda item
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> I have 13 topics to add so...
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> (jk)
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> how is that netflix???
[23:19] <pleia2> awesome :)
[23:30] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: over the internets game night? :)
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> ohhhh yah
[23:31] <pleia2> yay!
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> figure out the type of game
[23:31] <pleia2> I haven't looked at games in far too long
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> best time (i think right after the meetings on sunday nites)
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> i'm putting some stuff together on a variety of games to have something to talk about
[23:32] <pleia2> nice
[23:34] <iheartubuntu> akk have you heard of Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin)?   The orbit is extremely stable and poses zero danger for at least the next 2000 years.
[23:35] <rww> I still want multiplayer nethack.
[23:35] <nhaines> rww: +1
[23:35] <pleia2> nhaines: killfear :)
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> Ive come across (maybe dubious) some websites saying when elenin lines up with other planets, big earthquakes occur.
[23:36] <pleia2> (that's my opposite of a killjoy, see?)
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> i tried minecraft for the first time the other day
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> it felt like DOOM version 1.0
[23:36] <akk> iheartubuntu: Haven't heard much about it, except I guess it's going to be fairly unimpressive visually.
[23:36] <nhaines> Math makes that impossible.
[23:37] <akk> iheartubuntu: Anyone saying anything about planets lining up causing other phenomena has never tried to do the actual calculations.
[23:37] <pleia2> foss games would probably be preferable to most
[23:37] <akk> Especially with a comet that has less gravitational attraction (from here) than you holding your coffee mug over your head.
[23:38] <iheartubuntu> im worried the 1st person shooter games are going to deter people from wanting to join in.
[23:38] <pleia2> planets lining up make good television though
[23:39] <rww> multiplayer VVVVVV with guns would be amusing too
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> ii remember growing up there was a guy named gordon michael scallion with an "earth changes" map showing california under water. it was supposed to happen in 2000
[23:39] <nhaines> akk: minecraft is fun.  It's sort of explorey and sort of LEGO-y.
[23:40] <pleia2> 2000 was a very disappointing year :P
[23:40] <nhaines> 2038 is the one to watch out for.
[23:40] <iheartubuntu> whats in 2038
[23:40] <akk> nothing real :)
[23:41] <akk> wait, that's when unix time runs out?
[23:41] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Unix Mellennium Bug.
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> ubuntu becomes a neural network
[23:41] <nhaines> akk: yup!  Also I'm not sure how I misspelled millennium.
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> how does it run out?
[23:41] <nhaines> Also known as epoch fail.  :)
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> Ytwenty38 coming...
[23:42] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> life is going to be different then. we'll be flying in cars and all.
[23:44]  * pleia2 reminds iheartubuntu that 1970 was 41 years ago, and 2038 is less than 30 away
[23:45] <nhaines> I'll take my hoverboard, thank you.
[23:45] <pleia2> hehe
[23:45] <pleia2> teleporter and I'm set
[23:45] <akk> jetpack!
[23:45] <akk> yeah, a teleporter would be more useful
[23:45] <iheartubuntu> pizzahut will just appear in the oven
[23:46] <akk> iheartubuntu: Like Wonkavision? :)
[23:46] <pleia2> I always worried about interception
[23:46] <nhaines> You think Picard ever changed his mind?  "Computer.  Tea, Earl Grey... not."
[23:47] <jtatum> no.
[23:47] <jtatum> picard was known for being decisive about tea.
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> By 2038 our cars will be able to produce 1.21 gigawatts of electrical power!
[23:47] <pleia2> hehe
[23:47] <pleia2> replicators would be awesome
[23:48] <pleia2> delivery.com comes close
[23:48] <pleia2> :)
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: Didn't they say in the 60s that cars would be flying by 2010?
[23:49] <nhaines> Argh, another call where the agent asks for a serial number and the customer asks if that's the number labeled "P/N".
[23:49] <nhaines> Yes, sir.  The P is silent.
[23:50] <akk> Pserial
[23:50] <pleia2> lol
[23:50] <nhaines> It would annoy me less if they weren't stacked on two different lines, right next to each other.
[23:51] <akk> And the other one says S/N, I'm guessing?
[23:51] <nhaines> Yup!
[23:52] <DarkwingDuck> P/N (Part Number) S/N (Serial Number)?
[23:52] <DarkwingDuck> Thats what the Navy had it listed as :D
[23:53] <bkerensa> :)
[23:53] <DarkwingDuck> Along with NCN, NIIN and a few others
[23:53] <DarkwingDuck> Had like 4 numbers for everything
[23:56] <nhaines> Yeah, P/N: xxx and immediately under that S/N: xxx


[00:05] <rit> is there something I can do to restore a KDE Plasma pannel that was accidentally unintentionally deleted during reconfiguring the displays?
[00:57] <mmikowski> rit: Reset the the theme.
[00:58] <mmikowski> System Setting > Appearance, then select the theme and choose to "Use desktop layout from theme". This will reset your layout, which may or may not be acceptable to you. Otherwise, you will need to add a new panel and reconfigure it.
 Read apt man page. It's simple. (re @Omar: How can i choose what to upgrade and what to not upgrade with apt and discover?)
 Nvdiai HDMI port to a soundbar? (re @rrsriram: )
 Yeah
 Display port to monitor
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Not working though.  No sound from the soundbar (re @biteofpie: Nvdiai HDMI port to a soundbar?)
[13:24] <BluesKaj> check your devices on pavucontrol
 The sound bar keeps moving.  But no sound.
[13:28] <BluesKaj> keeps moving??
 Indicator for sound bar.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> then check the soundbar volume ctrl
 At full.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol?
 Okay.  Better to show as picture.  Let me get on the comp in a couple of minutes
[13:31] <BluesKaj> just install pavucontrol
 Already installed
[13:32] <BluesKaj> I don't need pictures
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/853f82d6/file_61988.jpg
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3322b1be/file_61989.jpg
 In the output devices the indicator below is showing sound.  It keeps moving.  But there is no sound output to the soundbar
[13:42] <BluesKaj> open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure automute is disabled. is the soundbar also connected to aTV ?
 Its connected only to the comp
[13:43] <BluesKaj> what does aplay -l show?
 aplay -l : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/ce8e5d9d/file_61990.jpg
 alsamixer output : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/664276be/file_61991.jpg
[13:52] <BluesKaj> then check your nvidia gtaohics audio settings
[13:52] <BluesKaj> fraphics
[13:52] <BluesKaj> oops
[13:53] <BluesKaj> graphics
 I have the nvidia settings open but dont see any option for audio there
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c04549c9/file_61992.jpg
[13:56] <BluesKaj> did you install the nvidia driver available for your card? try the nvidia settings config
 The about is the nvidia settings
 alsamixer - auto mute is disabled. : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/c5487907/file_61994.jpg
[14:05] <BluesKaj> have you tried the onboard audio out?
 Yes.  Earlier i used to use the motherboard's audio out to the soundbar and it was working.  Only after connecting the HDMI the sound output is gone.
 Probably will use that instead of the hdmi.  I thought the sound quality would be much better through digital signal.
 The aux port works perfectly.  Just the hdmi is not.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> I haven't used a dedicated graphics card for 5yrs since I built this pc. The onboard graphics and audio are powerful enough to use the TV as a monitor and a 5.1 audio sound system
[14:13] <BluesKaj> nvidia has become difficult to configure the last few yrs as well
 Oh yeah.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> yup
 I built this system in 2015.  Upgraded the CPU in 2018 to 2700x and then in 2020 upgraded the graphics card to 1650.  Not for gaming at all.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> well, maybe you could try your existing onboard graphics and audio without the nvidia gpu
[14:17] <BluesKaj> nvidia han't been very helpful as they used to be for Linux users
 2700x does not have integrated graphics so onboard hdmi wont work i guess
[14:19] <BluesKaj> you can keep trying to find a solution for the hdmi nvidia audio but I don't have an solution for you atm
 I have been trying.  last 1 weeks it has been my only problem.
 Thanks for the help.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> sorry i couldn't come up with an answer :/
 No issues.  Linux most of the time makes you better.  Everyday is a learning process
[14:25] <BluesKaj> for sure
[14:32] <BluesKaj> @rrsriram, do you wait at least 10secs for audio and does the soundbar have a mute button ?
 Soundbar does not have a mute.  Shifted from HDMI to aux and the sound output works
[14:47] <BluesKaj> cool "-)
[14:48] <BluesKaj> ot you could also use the Headphone port of the audio from the machine to RCA connectors on the sound bar.
 That is what I have done.  Line out to RCA on the soundbar
[14:49] <BluesKaj> good old analog :-)
 Absolutely
 Ok thank you (re @biteofpie: Read apt man page. It's simple.)
[16:39] <mybook> Freiheit für Deutschland von der Point Alpha Stadt Geisa
[18:39] <DMC2> Hello, quick  questionif anyone can help. It has probably been asked before, but I can't seem to find the answer. Long story short, I just made a fresh install from usb on my laptop. Install went without a hitch. Upon reboot, I get dark screen with grub> .... Then I am asked to "load kernel first"     Help please :)
[18:47]  * alkisg wonders why people prefix their loooong problems with "quick question" :D
[18:48] <alkisg> A quick question is something that can be answered by yes/no, not something that will need 30 minutes of instructions!
[18:50] <DMC2> quick question, are you always so helpful?
[18:51] <alkisg> Quick answer, I help around 50 people per day
[18:53] <user|84> Hello, I just installed Kubuntu LTS from the Kubuntu website (on my previously windows machine). Everything works except the speakers/sound system. Can anyone help me out?
[18:54] <user|84> I've watched some YouTube videos about pulseaudio and alsamixer but I haven't been able to get audio yet.
[19:28] <cbreak> hey all, I just rebooted my kubuntu (after installing updates), and X somehow was not started
[19:28] <cbreak> not sure why...
[19:29] <cbreak> switching to a different tty and starting x with startx seems to have worked
[19:29] <cbreak> also, rolling back to a snapshot from 2022.12.01 also worked
[19:30] <cbreak> maybe this isn't kubuntu specific
[19:34] <cbreak> also, I'm using the nvidia drivers bundled with ubuntu, with an nvidia card, not nouveau
[21:58] <hannah_> ciao


[00:02] <hicham> anybody in here ?
[00:03] <nailuj24> nah
[00:04] <hicham> how can i reduce the revision size when checking out a repo ?
[00:04] <hicham> any hint nailuj24 ?
[00:06] <nailuj24> hmm, i don't know, but someone in here probably does
[00:06] <nailuj24> let's just wait a little :)
[00:08] <methods> can i push to a checkout and have it instantly cause the checkout to update ?
[00:09] <hicham> if bzr forces everybody to download the whole history then that is just weird
[00:10] <nailuj24> hicham: it's the way most dcms' work
[00:11] <hicham> nailuj24 : not git anyway
[00:11] <hicham> nailuj24 : in git we have the --depth switch
[00:11] <nailuj24> hicham: not? how do you revert to an older version then?
[00:11] <nailuj24> ah i see, never mind
[00:12] <nailuj24> i'm sure this is possible somehow
[00:13] <hicham> i don't know why canonical is duplicating efforts
[00:14] <hicham> they created bazaar to make our life more complicated
[00:14] <nailuj24> lol
[00:15] <nailuj24> they created bazaar to make a good and easy-to-use dvcs
[00:15] <nailuj24> and cross platform, by the way
[00:15] <hicham> what was first git or bzr ?
[00:16] <nailuj24> bzr i suppose, but let me google it :)
[00:16] <Nafai> hicham: I'm pretty sure bzr was started first, but it didn't meet the kernel team's needs, so they started git
[00:16] <Nafai> and bzr is derived from earlier efforts, going back to Tom Lord's tla
[00:17] <nailuj24> bzr was 1 month earlier
[00:17] <mzz> 1 month? that doesn't sound right
[00:17]  * mzz checks
[00:18]  * nailuj24 is taking his info from http://www.infoq.com/articles/dvcs-guide
[00:18] <hicham> well, can somebody tell me how to reduce the revision log downloaded ?
[00:19] <hicham> i get more than 100Mb for 5Mb of sources !
[00:19] <mzz> mmm, git's older than I thought then.
[00:21] <hicham> canonical as always is wasting money on duplicate stuff
[00:21] <hicham> bzr, launchpad, notify-osd ...
[00:21] <mzz> there might be a way to do what you want using stacked branches, but I'm not sure (and definitely don't know how)
[00:23] <nailuj24> hicham: well, if the new solution is better than the original one
[00:24] <hicham> nailuj24 : i don't know, they develop solutions for internal use only
[00:24] <hicham> nailuj24 : not like redhat
[00:25] <mzz> you're not making sense
[00:25] <Nafai> hicham: canonical is more than happy to share things up upstream
[00:25] <mzz> notice how bzr and notify-osd have always been open source and launchpad is now also open source
[00:25] <Nafai> hicham: In fact I was just hired to work on converting some things to a new application indicators api and I am going to do my best to get things upstream
[00:26] <mzz> also, please try to keep this channel about bzr, not about how canonical should encourage open source development.
[00:26] <hicham> mzz : sorry, sorry, i am just a little bit frustrated with bzr, not familiar with it
[00:26] <mzz> hicham: I feel the same way about those silly projects using git :P
[00:26] <Nafai> hicham: me too, used to git, but I'll get used to it :)
[00:27] <RAOF> hicham: To answer your actual question - you can use “bzr checkout --lightweight” to get svn-like behaviour.  That is, you'll only have the current revision locally.
[00:27] <hicham> RAOF : thanks a lot !!!
[00:27] <mzz> that's not quite svn-like, since you also don't have the *current* revision locally, just the working tree.
[00:28] <mzz> so a lightweight checkout whose branch is remote will be awkwardly slow for some common operations.
[00:28] <RAOF> This is true.
[00:28] <mzz> of course you may prefer that over a full branch anyway.
[00:30] <hicham> i don't want any revision
[00:30] <hicham> i just want to do a simple checkout !
[00:30] <hicham> should i be forced to pull 100Mb for 5Mb of sources ?
[00:43] <mzz> hicham: then see what RAOF said
[00:43] <hicham> mzz : thanks
[00:43]  * mzz thinks he didn't describe the difference between svn checkouts and bzr lightweight checkouts correctly
[00:44] <mzz> hicham: what I meant is that with a lightweight checkout things like "bzr diff" (to compare the working tree to the current revision) go over the network
[00:44] <mzz> (that is: if they're a checkout of a branch on the network)
[00:45] <mzz> so you do have the source code locally, it's just that pretty much all bzr operations that need already-checked-in data access the network (that's slightly different from svn, which keeps a local copy of just the current revision)
[00:46] <abadger1999> Question, is bzrlib/patches.py supposed to deal with any patch or only patches created by bzr?
[01:14] <jml> I'm thinking of writing a plugin command called "bzr better"
[01:15] <jml> it will tell you if your change makes the code better or not
[01:15] <jml> using a simple algorithm.
[01:15] <nailuj24> lol, how can machines find out something like this? i'm interested.
[01:16] <jml> if the diff deletes more lines than it adds, it is better.
[01:17] <nailuj24> well, that may not be very accurate, but okay for projects who've already been around for a while
[01:21] <Peng> jml: Check if it's adding or removing XXX/TODO comments. :D
[01:21] <Peng> jml: And the presence of the words "ugly" and "hack".
[01:22] <Peng> jml: Alternately, have it send the diff to Amazon Mturk.
[01:22] <jml> Peng: no, I think simple is good. Besides, I already have a plugin that checks for XXX / TODO comments in diffs.
[01:23] <Kilroo> I think I've figured out the way I can get the most benefit from using bzr with the screwball svn repositories I deal with at work until I have time to insist on getting them fixed.
[01:23] <jml> which I can't find on Launchpad :(
[01:23] <Kilroo> Assuming I can manage to get it set up right.
[01:25] <Kilroo> Shared no-trees repo per project, with one branch bound to the subversion repo and local feature branches as I feel like making them, and a lightweight checkout in my actual Eclipse workspace that I switch between branches to accomplish things.
[01:27] <Kilroo> And I think I might be figuring out a way to do something fairly similar for the projects that are still on bare ftp by having an rsync for pulling down other people's changes.
[01:28] <Kilroo> Then maybe when I try to explain what the heck I'm doing they'll get confused and I can tell them well it would be a lot simpler if we'd actually use real version control in a sensible way...
[01:32] <Kilroo> Oh yes...and of course, for the projects that have them, I'll need one branch bound to the production subversion repo and one bound to the development repo.
[01:33] <mac9416> How do I revert my branch to a previous revision?
[01:35] <Kilroo> um...bzr revert -r<revision>, ain't it?
[01:36] <mac9416> I don't think so. Doesn't that revert changes since the last commit?
[01:36] <Kilroo> Correction, I think that'll undo the revision specified, so it'd be <revision+1> if revision is what you're aiming for...
[01:37] <Kilroo> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr.dev/en/user-reference/revert-help.html
[01:38] <mac9416> Thanks. Think I've got it now.
[02:41] <mkanat> Hey mwhudson. Got your email.
[02:44] <mobodo> Hi, I'm trying to write a scrip that can be run from a web page that lets me download a bzr branch as a tgz file - is it possible to bzr branch directly to a tar file?
[02:44] <mobodo> (I'm guessing not, but I'm asking just in case)
[03:08] <mkanat> losa ping
[03:20] <mobodo> is there a bzr release command that can remove the .bzr folders?
[03:22] <Peng> mobodo: Do you want "bzr export" here?
[03:22] <RAOF> bzr export is probably what you're after.
[03:22] <Peng> Jinx!
[03:25] <jml> mkanat, you're unlikely to find a losa now.
[03:26] <mkanat> jml: Okay.
[03:26] <jml> mkanat, they've got 6x24 coverage.
[03:26] <mkanat> I just need a backtrace from loggerhead next time it freezes.
[03:26] <mkanat> (Before it's restarted.)
[03:26] <jml> mkanat, ahh right, like the bug report says?
[03:27] <mkanat> jml: Yeah, I added the note to the bug report, so I think it should be OK.
[03:27] <jml> mkanat, I reckon that mwhudson can arrange that w/ spm when they are both in on Monday
[03:27] <mkanat> jml: Okay.
[03:27] <jml> Peng: lp:difftodo is my thing for getting the XXX comments, btw,
[03:33] <Peng> jml: Oh, neat.
[03:34] <jml> Peng: if you use emacs, it's even more handy, since it makes XXXs look like compile errors so you can easily jump to them.
[03:35] <Peng> I do not use emacs. :P
[03:35] <Peng> Nano is about as much as I can handle.
[03:35] <jml> hmmm. how do I get the bzr nick of a branch via the api...
[03:35]  * jml does builtins
[03:35] <jml> branch.nick, yay
[03:36] <Peng> Be careful when getting the nick. For example, in a lightweight checkout, do you want it to check the branch, even if it's remote?
[03:37] <jml> Peng: in this context, the circumstances are very, very tightly controlled
[04:54] <mobodo> bzr export is exactly what I needed :)
[04:55] <mobodo> is there a way to export to stdout?
[04:56] <mobodo> got it, n/m
[15:04] <grettke> Hi folks, question... I've got a shared repo that is served up over bzr. I would like to rename a project within it. Can I just rename the folder, or, is it more than that?
[15:11] <ronny> grettke: should be enough
[15:12] <grettke> ronny: thanks I will test it out...
[16:23] <keithy> I want to have a project, but within that project there are some very large files, so I would like them to branch, only with the latest version, without the history. Is that possible?
[16:45] <maxb> keithy: If you literally want to drop all history, why not simply import the content into a new empty branch
[16:49] <nailuj24> keithy: you can bzr checkout --lightweight
[16:49] <nailuj24> this will only get the latest revision, i think
[16:59] <keithy> nailuj24: hi... I know about lightweight, however, I want to a) branch and b) only mark 2 files for "lightweight" treatment
[17:00] <nailuj24> hmm, tricky, i'm not sure whether this is possible
[17:02] <gerard_> keithy: do these large files change often?
[17:20] <keithy> yes
[17:20] <keithy> the large file is the build product of the small files
[17:21] <keithy> so you want to supply the starting point to the user
[17:21] <keithy> but not every single starting point ever
[17:31] <maxb> keithy: That sort of file should not be version-controlled at all
[18:04] <keithy> maxb but it has to be
[18:04] <keithy> because
[18:05] <keithy> you start with the starting point and build on it
[18:05] <keithy> every so often you save a new waypoint
[18:05] <keithy> the user only needs the most recent waypoint
[18:06] <keithy> if you dont version the waypoints then the builds dont work, because things get out of sync
[18:17] <Glenjamin> if its the build product of the small files, cant you just build it from them?
[18:37] <maxb> keithy: um, the build requires the output of a previous build?! How painful
[18:53] <lifeless> vila: hihi
[18:54] <vila> lifeless: reading your answer :-) I agree, I hit reply too fast.
[18:54] <vila> s/patch_attribute/restore_attribute/
[18:54] <lifeless> well yes
[18:54] <vila> but other wise I see you point
[18:55] <vila> also, that doesn't address several cases (but addAttrCleanup either):
[18:55] <vila>         def restoreDefaults():
[18:55] <vila>             msgeditor.hooks['commit_message_template'] = []
[18:56] <vila> or anything else like that where you want to restore only part of an object
[18:57] <lifeless> right
[18:57] <lifeless> but again it still isn't either part of executing a test, or of making an assertion
[18:57] <vila> It also means that we now do: addCleanup(restore_attribute()) ; set new value
[18:57] <lifeless> so I don't think it should be put on TestCase
[18:59] <vila> practicality beats purity ? I was thinking about TestCase.overrides(obj, attr_name, new_value) and makes it handle objects, lists and dicts
[18:59] <vila> even less pure :)
[19:00] <lifeless> practical only gets to claim that when it might be nicer to use
[19:00] <lifeless> if you give patch_attribute a new attribute value it could set the attribute at the time
[19:00] <lifeless> but I think that
[19:01] <lifeless> self.addCleanup(restore_attribute(...))
[19:01] <vila> lifeless: I'm deploying it on the bzr code base to see, 80% done, that removes a lot of code
[19:01] <lifeless> thing.value = new_value
[19:01] <vila> yup
[19:01] <lifeless> would be clearer to read
[19:01] <vila> yeah, may be
[19:02] <vila> and we can add restore_dict_item
[19:02] <lifeless> anyhow, you don't need to restore hooks :P
[19:02] <lifeless> It would be good to stop changing global state quite so much.
[19:02] <vila> true, I may address that in a different commit (hooks)
[19:03] <lifeless> vila: I don't know what you mean by that
[19:03] <vila> and changing global state, yeah, but that's out of scope here :)
[19:03] <lifeless> hooks are already globally reset by the test framework
[19:03] <vila> yeah
[19:04] <lifeless> by restoring the entire hooks object, not individual lists
[19:04] <lifeless> IIRC
[19:04] <vila> I may address: 'stop restoring hooks because it's useless' in another commit different than the one where I deploy addAttrCleanup/restore_attribute
[19:04] <lifeless> ok
[19:05] <lifeless> where are we manually restoring hooks?
[19:06] <vila> search for restoreDefaults, I think I've seen 2 occurrences so far
[19:07] <vila> most probably it predates the test framework handling
[19:08] <SamB_XP> just make sure you don't get any commits with messages like "silly commit" somehow ;-P
[19:09] <luke-jr> everyone should "affects me too" on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/67174 plz :P
[19:10] <lifeless> hmm added by jelmer in april 2008
[19:10] <lifeless> must have missed it when adding hook restoration/didn't review it myself or something.
[19:10] <vila> lifeless: no big deal :D
[19:22] <gerard_> "Subversion supports this now :)"
[19:22] <gerard_> now just the distributed vcs part...
[19:27] <luke-jr> heh
[19:28] <luke-jr> tbh, I think most projects only use Bazzar over Subversion for the merging capabilities ;)
[19:45] <gerard_> pfff... this merge stuff is complicated
[19:45] <gerard_> is there a document somewhere about what bazaar does internally
[19:46] <gerard_> it's not much code, but its hard to see what is going on
[20:14] <vila> lifeless: mwhahahaha bzrlib/plugins/launchpad/test_lp_api.py TestDependencyManagement.patch(self, obj, name, value)
[20:17] <Glenjamin> i dont get it?
[20:18] <gerard_> pretty ingenious
[20:18] <Glenjamin> thats just stubbing a method surely
[20:19] <vila> Glenjamin: read the logs, we discussed an alternate way to do that with lifeless a couple of minutes ago, it's fun to find an existing implementation :D
[20:19] <Glenjamin> are there any mocking frameworks?
[20:19] <Glenjamin> i know ruby has 2 or 3 gems which provide easy ways to do mocking
[20:19] <vila> Glenjamin: search bzrlib/tests
[20:19] <Glenjamin> and stubs
[20:20] <vila> Glenjamin: or have a look at lp:testtools, lp:subunit, lp:testscenarios or ask lifeless and jml for more :)
[20:37] <gerard_> could I have some comments on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/38202975/prevent_merges.patch for bug #113809 ?
[20:38] <vila> gerard_: I'm leaving so I can't comment right now, but do a merge proposal instead of adding a patch to a bug, you'll get more feedback sooner (instead of eventually no feedback at all)
[20:38] <gerard_> hmm ok
[20:38] <gerard_> but I know it's not good enough for a merge right now
[20:39] <gerard_> should I still do a merge proposal then?
[20:39] <vila> I'm pretty sure the process is documented in doc/developers/HACKING.txt, if not, file a bug :)
[20:39] <vila> gerard_: oh yes, no problem with that, just say so in your cover letter
[20:39]  * vila really off now
[20:39] <gerard_> ok, bye
[20:45] <lifeless> Glenjamin: yes, there are mocking libraries for python
[21:40] <timClicks> what is the easiest way to move to "checkout --lightweight" to a full-blown branch?
[21:41] <timClicks> i just want to commit locally then push to my new branch on lp
[21:59] <mzz> timClicks: you probably want "bzr help reconfigure"
[22:00] <timClicks> mzz: thanks
[23:45] <yacoob> aaargh.
[23:45] <yacoob> does bzr has any problems with smbfs?
[23:45] <yacoob> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "/Volumes/archiwum/bzr/go/.bzr/checkout/dirstate": (45, 'Operation not supported')
[23:48] <yacoob> funnily enough, I didn't have this kind of problem with previous versions of bzr


[06:38] <ubot2> UndiFineD called the ops in #ubuntu-beginners-team ()
[06:38] <pleia2> not actually a problem just yet


[06:18] <clinton-fung> @bdmurray this seems to be "from a cache"
[06:18]  * clinton-fung waves hands
[06:20] <clinton-fung> Basically this message is shown if this evaluates to True:
[06:20] <clinton-fung> `if cache is None:`
[06:22] <clinton-fung> It's unclear to me what populates that cache, nor what the source of data is; I would need to keep digging
[06:25] <clinton-fung> In case you're into opaque statements, here is a relevant comment in the code: "If a DistroSeriesBinaryPackage doesn't have a DistroSeriesPackageCache, then the summary and description fields reflect the situation."
[06:30] <clinton-fung> Every day I feel like cjwatson has setup a new scavenger hunt for me to explore
[06:33] <clinton-fung> "The cache update procedure is done by cronscripts/update-pkgcache.py, which removes obsolete records, update existing ones and add new records during the scanning of all the publishing records. This scripts runs periodically in our infrastructure."
[06:35] <clinton-fung> Hmmm looks like that script *should* have run this morning
[06:35] <clinton-fung> Oh wait, I forgot timezones are a thing
[06:36] <clinton-fung> It *should* run in 43 minutes
[17:19] <bdmurray> clinton-fung: I asked as `apt-cache show vasttrafik-cli` shows something in the Description field and I would have expected that to be in Launchpad.
[18:32] <clinton-fung> Well update-pkgcache seems to be running just fine, yet I still don't see values for the package. I wonder if it is being excluded for some reason


[06:59] <RAOF> Hm. Is it easy to scrape an errors.ubuntu.com crash for the version of a dependency in the crash report?
[06:59] <RAOF> Specifically: I'd like to verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1972977 fixes https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d8aa1211f7e8b219a4ee6dcae294ac16decd7fe3
[06:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1972977 in mesa (Ubuntu Jammy) "gnome-shell crashed (out of memory) with SIGSEGV in crocus_begin_query() from crocus_begin_query() from crocus_end_query() from crocus_end_query() from tc_call_end_query()" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[07:00] <RAOF> By means of “we haven't seen a crash with the newer Mesa”.
[17:31] <bdmurray> RAOF: I think I still have code to do that which works. So check the crashes which are a part of d8aa1211f738b... for the version of mesa found in Dependencies ?
[17:32] <bdmurray> RAOF: actually what binary package name should I query for?
[18:19] <ahasenack> hi sru team, anyone looking at #1977860? If not, I can
[18:19] <ahasenack> golang-1.18 sru for bionic and focal
[18:19] <ahasenack> it's not may day today, hence my ask
[18:20] <tjaalton> bdmurray: likely libgl1-mesa-dri
[18:21] <bdmurray> ahasenack: I'm dealing with some autopkgtest stuff at the moment but hope to at least release SRUs today
[18:22] <ahasenack> bdmurray: I'm midway through that golang one, found a nit in the test plan execution
[18:22] <ahasenack> that is in the release phase, not acceptance
[18:40] <arraybolt3> Could I ask for a sponsor for a Manuskript SRU? It's a full version update, but it appears to consist entirely of bugfixes, one of which has entirely broken Manuskript on Jammy and Kinetic. https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/manuskript/+bug/1989203
[18:40] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1989203 in manuskript (Ubuntu Kinetic) "Manuskript crashes on start" [High, Confirmed]
[18:41] <arraybolt3> The actual patch is a bit of a mess, but there's a PPA where I uploaded the updated package, so you should be able to just pull from that and drop the ~ppa1 changelog entry.
[18:42] <arraybolt3> (Er, one of the bugs entirely broke Manuskript on Jammy and Kinetic, the updated version has a fix.)
[19:55] <rbasak> arraybolt3: "it is reasonable to upgrade the package wholesale rather than attempting to backport individual fixes ourselves" -> requirements are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases, and the SRU documentation should explain how those requirements are met, as explained in those docs.
[21:23] <arraybolt3> rbasak: I believed I did explain how those requirements are met? I'll review again.
[21:25] <arraybolt3> rbasak: I did notice the bit about there not being a well-documented test suite, but last time I brought up this SRU, it was suggested to me (I believe by RikMills and tsimonq2?) that it might not be strictly necessary.
[21:25] <arraybolt3> (It might have been only Simon who mentioned that, come to think of it - Rik was the one who directed me to make a PPA with the package.)
[21:54] <rbasak> arraybolt3: it isn't obvious to me that you consider those requirements and/or consider any of them met. Where in the bug do you think this is covered?
[21:54] <rbasak> *considered
[21:56] <rbasak> arraybolt3: I find it much more tedious to review a "let's bump everything" type SRU. Hence my reluctance to sponsor. It's so much easier to review a simple fix for the actual problem that needs fixing.
[21:56] <arraybolt3> rbasak: I see your point. I also noticed after looking at it that I didn't mention the particular section you mentioned, instead relying off memory from a prior IRC conversation.
[21:57] <arraybolt3> Really it's not that big a deal to just redo the SRU, my frustration is mainly with the fact that I'm getting conflicting info.
[21:57] <rbasak> Sorry you're getting conflicting info. It tends to happen in exceptional cases. My best suggestion is to keep those discussions in this channel (or eg. ubuntu-devel@) so everyone involved can participate and try to avoid that happening.
[21:58] <rbasak> To be clear, I'm not saying you can't do this SRU the way it's presented.
[21:58] <arraybolt3> +1, it did happen in this channel, but that's fine. We're a big team, things are going to get scrambled every once in a while.
[21:58] <arraybolt3> Anyway, thanks for your help, and I'll redo the SRU with only a single bug fix once I reach a convenient time.
[21:58] <rbasak> Just that taking an exceptional path makes it more painful all round.
[21:58] <rbasak> Thanks!
[21:59] <arraybolt3> :)
[23:32] <RAOF> bdmurray: Yeah, as Timo said libgl1-mesa-dri would be a good candidate.
[23:33] <bdmurray> RAOF: Okay, I'll try and check in the next couple of days.
[23:34] <RAOF> And maybe the code could end up in ubuntu-archive-tools? :)
[23:34] <RAOF> Cheers.
[23:55] <bdmurray> RAOF: I'm querying the cassandra database directly so probably not
[23:55] <RAOF> bdmurray: Fair chop.


 Fairly sure this bug was related to the lubuntu.me downtime. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1942638
[01:10] <guiverc> @Leokolb ^
 ahh ,, timing seems about right..as noted - unable to reproduce. (re @kc2bez: Fairly sure this bug was related to the lubuntu.me downtime. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1942638)
 Sometimes good things do come from Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/phz5go/just_a_thank_you/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


[12:39] <Hobbsee> morning all
[02:02] <atie> hi
[02:17] <Hobbsee> hi atie
[02:20] <atie> Hobbsee, hi
[02:26] <atie> freeflying-ibook, hi
[02:34] <freeflying-ibook> atie: hi
[02:42] <atie> freeflying-ibook, have you seen the mail from iwj (Ian)?
[02:46] <freeflying-ibook> atie: what the topic ?
[02:50] <atie> freeflying-ibook, fontconfig... waiting for you and HuaHua.
[02:50] <freeflying-ibook> atie: I'm reading it now
[02:55] <freeflying-ibook> atie: Ian means that set up conf in conf.d for each language ?
[02:57] <atie> freeflying-ibook, he just understood why we need XML configration hacks
[02:58] <atie> and maybe per ttf-font package will be answer
[02:59] <freeflying-ibook> atie: but this way may not be acceptted.
[02:59] <atie> first of we need to see all XML configurations for each ttf-font package if it needs to improve.
[03:00] <atie> s/first of/first of all
[03:00] <freeflying-ibook> atie: y, and we chinese are working on it now .
[03:01] <atie> freeflying-ibook, I thought so.
[03:01] <freeflying-ibook> atie: the conf must not affect other languages
[03:02] <atie> freeflying-ibook, yes.
[03:02] <atie> freeflying-ibook, have sometime to put your stuff to wiki, then talk together.
[03:03] <atie> nowadays I am at #ubuntu-ko
[03:03] <freeflying-ibook> atie: ok
[07:22] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[08:24] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[11:23] <Tm_T> ok, xgl doesn't really work here yet
[11:30] <sealne> hmm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/443/ won't let me select upstream fix request as it claims there isn't a source package for kile?
[11:31] <sealne> is that due to it being universe?
[11:39] <Tm_T> ugh, when flight 4 is out
[11:39] <Tm_T> ?
[12:56] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-search.png :-)
[12:57] <mornfall> \o/
[12:57] <Hobbsee> mornfall: very nice!!!
[12:58] <sealne> shiny :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> sealne: i took your sources, and made a debdiff with your fix - did you end up seeing the bug report for it?
[01:02] <sealne> yep and i now know how to make the debdiff i wasn't sure at the time, thanks
[01:02] <sealne> the man page for debdiff wasn't quite clear enough for me :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:06] <sealne> still not sure what you can do with the debdiff tho
[01:06] <Hobbsee> it's easier to put into the package, i think
[01:07] <sealne> any idea if you can only select upstream fix request for packages in main?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> not sure, i''m assuming you can set it anywhere
[01:08] <sealne> i was trying for kile
[01:08] <sealne> but it wouldn't find the source package
[01:09] <sealne> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kile/+bug/443/
[01:11] <Hobbsee> weird, no idea
[01:11] <sealne> in launchpad any idea what "Keys pending validation" means when i tried to set my gpg key?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> er...you've uploaded it to the keyserver, i assume?
[01:12] <sealne> yeah
[01:12] <jpatrick> sealne: check your mail
[01:12] <sealne> jpatrick: ah :)
[01:13] <sealne> pity i can't read it at home as kmail dosen't seem to like some gpg stuff which is weird
[01:14] <sealne> yet it works fine at work and i have as far as i can tell the same related packages installed
[01:15] <sealne> some signed email displays fine but other stuff i just get a wee padlock in the message body
[01:16] <sealne> home is breezy, work is now dapper but when it was breezy it worked fine there
[01:17] <sealne> hmm
[01:20] <sealne> its not https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31212
[01:22] <jpatrick> wasn't that fixed ages ago
[01:23] <Hobbsee> check it...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> you can mark it fixed if it is fixed
[01:23] <sealne> i've always had it in kubuntu since i started using it pre breezy release
[01:25] <sealne> sid worked so much better on my home machine :P
[01:30] <jpatrick> looks like my message was 'scrubbed': https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000456.html
[01:31] <mornfall> listening to Stargazers on Oceanborn by Nightwish (2:17/4:28)
[01:33] <jpatrick> headphones...
[01:33] <mornfall> good i don't live with parents
[01:33] <sealne> volume control? :)
[01:33] <Hobbsee> good point
[01:33] <Hobbsee> might have some headphones somewhere
[01:34] <jpatrick> sealne: I think we can mark as fiixed
[01:42] <sealne> jpatrick: which?
[01:46] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke* -- do we want to default to "Any Suite" or "KDE" in adept installer?
[01:51] <mornfall> Riddell: also, the KDE .desktop files in app-install-data are exceptionally poor (the rest is merely "poor")
[01:52] <mornfall> i thought i'd improve since breezy, but there are no hints of that
[01:59] <mornfall> ok, i take that back -- they are better
[02:00] <incinerator> any new on when flight 4 will be released?
[02:02] <mornfall> incinerator: i hope not before sunday -- otherwise it'll go out without adept 1.90 :p
[02:02] <incinerator> thx, I'm fed up with flight 3, going back to breezy on my laptop just now
[02:02] <incinerator> the kernel in df3 is t3h s|_|ck
[02:05] <mornfall> (sunday = tomorrow)
[02:05] <incinerator> got that....
[02:05] <mornfall> what's the schedule?
[02:06] <incinerator> ???
[02:06] <incinerator> schedule on the wiki doesn't say anything about the flight releases :-(
[02:06] <jpatrick> sealne: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31212
[02:10] <mornfall> Riddell: how would i go about asking removal of kfmclient*desktop from app-install-data?
[02:10] <mornfall> Riddell: and adding about 5 dozen icons? :)
[03:29] <sealne> hunger: is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/31212 still affecting you?
[03:49] <Tm_T> hm
[03:50] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: hi
[04:14] <Tm_T> freeflying-ibook: hullo
[04:15] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: need kopete-0.12'deb for ppc   :)
[04:16] <Tm_T> you mean I should build?
[04:16] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: if you can give source package , I can build it for you
[04:17] <Tm_T> sounds good
[04:18] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T: nice
[04:19] <Tm_T> andred: right?
[04:19] <Tm_T> andred: oh, you're here already
[04:20] <jpatrick> hmmm
[04:38] <Tm_T> freeflying-ibook: sort it out with andred, I think that's the best way to do
[04:39] <andred> Tm_T: sure, just gimme the link and i'll try to add it to the repository
[04:39] <andred> erm, freeflying-ibook: sure, just gimme the link and i'll try to add it to the repository
[04:39] <andred> have to figure out how to add different archs first though
[04:39] <freeflying-ibook> andred: which link ?
[04:40] <andred> the link to the package
[04:40] <Tm_T> andred: also give sources (and debian dir) to him so he can _build_ package first ;)
[04:40] <Tm_T> I bet your sources are less forked
[04:40] <andred> ah, ok. first things first :)
[04:40] <Tm_T> yu
[04:40] <Tm_T> now coffee and curling in tv, good luck with it ;) ->
[04:41] <andred> freeflying-ibook: what do you need from me now?
[04:41] <andred> only sources or anything else too
[04:41] <freeflying-ibook> andred: source and debian dir
[04:42] <andred> ok, one second, have to boot the pc
[04:46] <andred> freeflying-ibook: should i send it via email?
[04:47] <freeflying-ibook> andred: sure , zhengpeng.hou AT gmail DOT com
[04:51] <freeflying-ibook> who need backtrace of adept_notifier yestoday ?
[04:51] <andred> freeflying-ibook: can i somehow clean the debian-dir?
[04:53] <freeflying-ibook> andred: if you'd like
[04:53] <andred> i mean is there a debwhatever that cleans it for me?
[04:54] <jpatrick> fakeroot debian/rules clean ?
[04:55] <andred> cool thanks
[05:06] <andred> freeflying-ibook: email's out
[05:07] <freeflying-ibook> andred: got it
[05:22] <freeflying-ibook> Tm_T , andred: how shall I give the binary package to you ?
[05:28] <andred> my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:29] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: wibble
[05:29] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: i am about the only person who cares about adept* stacktraces
[05:29] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: hi
[05:30] <ubijtsa2> andred: got that kopete link again ? :)
[05:31] <andred> ubijtsa2: wait a second, i'm just setting up a new repository
[05:31] <ubijtsa2> andred: okidoki..
[05:31] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: you have one?
[05:31] <ubijtsa2> I have just tried dist-upgrade on a Thinkpad X31 running Breezy..
[05:31] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: just a moment
[05:32] <ubijtsa2> reinstall seems such an attractive option now..
[05:32] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8818
[05:32] <jpatrick> ubijtsa2: oh dear :(
[05:32] <ubijtsa2> jpatrick: this time, the dist-upgrade worked (with a bit of coaxing)
[05:33] <ubijtsa2> but in all, it was "the operation mas a success - the patient died"
[05:33] <ubijtsa2> s/mas/was/
[05:34] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: that's not a hanging program is it?
[05:34] <andred> ubijtsa2: deb http://andre.duffeck.de/kopete breezy main
[05:34] <mornfall> looks like a perfectly finely running one
[05:34] <ubijtsa2> udev was less than cooperative after the reboot.. /usr/lib/iftab_helper being the main culprit
[05:34] <mornfall> aha
[05:35] <mornfall> okey, it's possibly corrupt
[05:35] <ubijtsa2> andred: thank you
[05:35] <andred> ubijtsa2: np
[05:35] <ubijtsa2> andred: I can sub breezy with dapper - yeah ?
[05:35] <andred> yes :) i thought it was breezy
[05:36] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: but it can hardly use
[05:37] <ubijtsa2> andred: I have 50% of my boxes on dapper now. the last one to be upgraded is my main one here at home.
[05:37] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: not sure what you mean?
[05:37] <andred> ubijtsa2: ah, i see
[05:39] <andred> ubijtsa2: is there a problem downloading the package?
[05:39] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: it will freeze ,or  hang on
[05:40] <ubijtsa2> andred: I think so
[05:40] <andred> ubijtsa2: one second
[05:40] <ubijtsa2> :)
[05:40] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: as I've told you yestoday
[05:41] <mornfall> freeflying-ibook: you told me it hangs -- i assumed it freezes hard
[05:41] <freeflying-ibook> mornfall: the only thing I can do is to kill it
[05:42] <andred> ubijtsa2: pleasy try again (apt-get update first)
[05:42] <ubijtsa2> ok
[05:44] <ubijtsa2> andred: working fine now :)
[05:44] <andred> alright :)
[05:49] <ubijtsa2> andred: as far as I can tell, your package works fine
[05:49] <andred> ubijtsa2: the dapper package was made by Tm_T, but thanks anyway :)
[05:49] <ubijtsa2> ok, thanks to your both for the package :)
[05:52] <Tm_T> ugh
[07:23] <hunger> any idea when the suspend issue will be fixed in kubuntu?
[07:24] <jpatrick> i think they were talking about it in #ubuntu-devel
[07:24] <jpatrick> food now
[07:26] <hunger> jpatrick: It works in ubuntu (at least for me).
[07:28] <hunger> jpatrick: The sleep itself works fine (/etc/acpi/sleep.sh), acpid recognizes that I press the suspend button and fakes a keypress.
[07:29] <hunger> which then gets ignored.
[07:57] <jpatrick> hunger: ok
[09:49] <mornfall> yay
[09:50] <jpatrick> what?
[09:51] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/installer-description.png
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> mornfall: sweeet :)
[09:53] <apokryphos> wow, very sweet
[09:56] <jjesse> mornfall: that is really awesome :)
[09:59] <jpatrick> mornfall: wow, cool
[10:02] <mornfall> apokryphos: that will be fixed when i get around to :p -- but it's compact (both space and code wise :)
[10:03] <apokryphos> and certainly user-friendly -- very nice to see. Great stuff, really 8)
[10:04] <apokryphos> mornfall: is it structured to order things by applications now, or something?
[10:04] <apokryphos> (rather than by packages?)
[10:04] <jpatrick> mornfall: no maintainer line?
[10:04] <jjesse> if so why the change/move?
[10:05] <mornfall> heh
[10:05] <mornfall> it's supposed to be ultra-simple
[10:05] <mornfall> not sure maintainer is crucial info for the user :P
[10:05] <apokryphos> mornfall: is this to be the main adept interface?
[10:05] <mornfall> not at all
[10:05] <apokryphos> oh ok
[10:05] <mornfall> there's no "main adept interface"
[10:06] <apokryphos> similar to gnome's/ubuntu's add/remove application?
[10:06] <mornfall> there are: manager, installer, updater and notifier
[10:06] <apokryphos> right
[10:06] <apokryphos> this is the installer, I take it
[10:06] <mornfall> considering the window title, yes :)
[10:06] <apokryphos> will the manager have all the other extra things (such as changelog, list of files) etc?
[10:06] <mornfall> no changelog
[10:06] <mornfall> technically nearly undoable
[10:07] <apokryphos> Installer seems like the perfect thing for the new user
[10:07] <mornfall> apokryphos: consult http://people.freedesktop.org/~mornfall/adept-2006-02-12/manager9.png for filelist shot
[10:07] <mornfall> the screeny is fairly old, hmm
[10:08] <mornfall> let me take a new one
[10:08] <apokryphos> I haven't checked the development of it in some time; it's looking good 8)
[10:08] <apokryphos> "changelog" is listed there?
[10:09] <mornfall> http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/manager-filelist.png
[10:09] <mornfall> the changelog will appear if some magic happens :-)
[10:09] <mornfall> otherwise i'll just drop the tab
[10:09] <apokryphos> right
[10:10] <mornfall> (it's currently empty)
[10:10] <apokryphos> hm, where/how does the search come in there?
[10:10] <mornfall> which search?
[10:10] <mornfall> the package list w/ filters?
[10:10] <mornfall> this is what you get after clicking "details" in the search
[10:11] <apokryphos> do you still use that svn on kde playground (?) for adept? Might be worth trying out
[10:11] <apokryphos> (unfortunately currently not in university halls, though, so stuck on suse for the day)
[10:11] <mornfall> it is in playground yes, but it's synced only rarely
[10:11] <mornfall> i have a local svk repository
[10:11] <mornfall> it's also a bitch to compile ;-)
[10:11] <apokryphos> oh ok
[10:12] <apokryphos> heh
[10:13] <apokryphos> it's looking nice =), is a version going to appear in dapper soon?
[10:13] <apokryphos> mind you, I'm totally ignorant of the one currently in dapper -- will have to check when I'm back.
[10:13] <mornfall> there's a week old version in dapper
[10:13] <apokryphos> nice, ok
[10:14] <mornfall> i'll chase Riddell tomorrow to upload the beta i'm working on now
[10:21] <mornfall> ha, *rapes kjanuswidget*
[10:22] <mornfall> and now it's time for a small bit of food :-)
[10:22] <mornfall> bbiab
[10:25] <jshadow> hey folks, in my plugin for katapult I'm getting a bunch of errors in the QT headers, mostly about uchar and other types, is there a typical cause for this?
[10:29] <jshadow> here's the errors http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/561684
[10:33] <toma> spellcheckcatalog.cpp:19 ?
[10:34] <jshadow> thats one of my source files
[10:34] <tvo> accidentally typed a random char before the #includes?
[10:35] <toma> paste?
[10:35] <jshadow> hmm lemmie look quick
[10:35] <jshadow> bah yes *// closing comments
[10:35] <jshadow> thanks
[10:37] <jshadow> down to only a few errors now.. maybe I'll have this going this weekend =)
[10:41] <tvo> cool
[10:50] <mornfall> uhm, anyone can confirm if gnome-app-install does this on startup? gobject.GError: Icon 'gnome-settings-default-applications' not present in theme
[10:50] <mornfall> instead of starting up that is
[10:52] <seaLne> not on breezy
[10:53] <mornfall> dapper here
[10:56] <mornfall> *sigh*
[10:56] <mornfall> this thing is messed up
[11:05] <jjesse_> Riddell: yping?
[11:11] <mornfall> this gnome-app-install thing is so utterly broken :|
[11:11] <mornfall> every time i install it it dies with a different error
[11:11] <mornfall> i always managed to hack it to run
[11:11] <mornfall> apparently not this time
[11:14] <mornfall> die broken thing die
[11:15] <hunger> mornfall: Which thing in particular?
[11:15] <mornfall> hunger: gnome-app-install
[11:15] <hunger> mornfall: Why are you cursing about a gnome app on kubuntu-devel? ;-)
[11:16] <mornfall> because i am writing the kde alternative
[11:17] <hunger> mornfall: Oh, then you have my sympathy!
[11:32] <mornfall> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[11:32] <mornfall> i hate it
[11:32] <mornfall> let's give up
[11:32] <mornfall> i can't get it to run
[11:33] <mornfall> if not finding an icon is fatal error i guess that's enough to know
[11:33] <mornfall> it's so damn frustrating
[11:34] <mornfall> b-r-o-k-e-n
[11:35] <mornfall> it so totally makes me cringe


[05:29] <lplearn> hi~
[06:05] <Guest90> do  we have any audio discuss?
[06:26] <Guest49> what  tool dou you  use
[11:41] <hexa-> hm, is there no support for slaac in network config v2?
[13:24] <hexa-> rough, so I'm not sure how to configure networking on a vsphere cluster because it doesn't let me provide meta-data via the vapp for an ubuntu cloud image ovf/ova
[14:36] <hexa-> how is meta-data supposed to be passed on local vsphere clusters?
[14:37] <hexa-> we have machines that basically only have slaac on their network segment, and deploying them via terraform times out, because the ubuntu cloud image wants to do DHCP by default AFAIU.
[14:38] <rbasak> Continuing on from #ubuntu-server
[14:38] <rbasak> I just looked at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html
[14:39] <rbasak> AIUI, both meta-data and user-data must come from one of those sources.
[14:39] <rbasak> cloud-init logs will tell you which was used in your case I think.
[14:39] <rbasak> Maybe https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/ovf.html ?
[14:40] <rbasak>  /run/cloud-init/ds-identify.log might be useful
[14:40] <hexa-> https://paste.lossy.network/J6KA
[14:42] <hexa-> the referenced ovf env comes via cdrom https://paste.lossy.network/6KWA
[14:42] <hexa-> i stripped the user-data because it doesn't really matter
[14:46] <rbasak> I think you're using the OVF datasource then, and your question can be refined to asking how cloud-init does networking configuration when using the OVF datasource.
[14:46] <rbasak> I don't know the answer to that, but I hope that helps.
[14:47] <rbasak> I think the relevant code might be https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/tree/main/cloudinit/sources/helpers/vmware/imc
[14:47] <hexa-> thanks for clarifying, that helps somewhat.
[14:48] <rbasak> Looking at *nic* in that directory, it looks to me like the configuration is grabbed from the platform NIC configuration somehow, but I don't see anything specific there about enabling/disabling DHCP.
[14:48] <rbasak> But I am just speculating, to be clear - this is beyond my current knowledge.
[15:08] <hexa-> looks like I need to somehow build upon https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/691
[17:23] <needs-help-guy> I'm looking for help finding a robust and clean solution for a problem related to systemd-resolve, GCE, cloud-init, and bad domain naming. I have ubuntu 20.04 servers in a GCP project that is DNS peered with a project that is providing .local TLDs for some internal names. systemd-resolve won't even try to resolve .local TLDs via the name server unless it's added as a search domain. I've tried a couple of different confi
[17:24] <needs-help-guy> config changes but I can't seem to find a way to add a search domain without knowing the interface name, which I'm not sure I can rely on when spinning up a bunch of cloud images.
[20:37] <smoser> bummer that needs-help-guy is gone
[20:37] <smoser> i was going to help.
[20:37] <smoser> my experience with .local domain is that nsswitch.conf editing can help
[20:38] <smoser> + hosts:                 files dns [NOTFOUND=return]
[20:38] <smoser> -files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[23:05] <needs-help-guy> smoser, i'm still around, i'll check that out