[05:35] <inetpro> fp
[12:53] <pikkie> hi all
[16:28] <inetpro> hmm... netsplit
[16:28] <nlsthzn> The internet broke
[16:30] <inetpro> yikes
[16:30] <inetpro> hi nlsthzn
[16:30] <nlsthzn> Hey inetpro :)
[16:31] <inetpro> I see the guys are running around with duct tape to fix it
[16:35] <superfly> hi inetpro, nlsthzn
[16:35] <nlsthzn> Yup was a funny comment from freenode :)
[16:36] <nlsthzn> Hi superfly :)
[16:59] <Mezenir> well
[16:59] <Mezenir> were on the cool side
[17:10] <superfly> Mezenir: were on the cool side? Your sentence lacks a subject
[17:17] <cocooncrash> Haha.
[17:49] <inetpro> hi superfly, Mezenir, cocooncrash, et al
[17:49] <inetpro> cocooncrash: wb
[18:01] <nuvolari> :O
[18:01] <nuvolari> is you people okey?
[18:02] <nuvolari> oh, cool, cool side
[18:02] <nuvolari> et ali ban.
[18:06] <nuvolari> :> I fell in love with Gnome 3 again
[18:08] <nlsthzn> Interesting time ahead in Ubuntu with Unity being refined and now HUD...
[18:11] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: ya, saw that. I don't know if I look forward to it too much
[18:11] <inetpro> hi nuvolari
[18:11] <inetpro> nlsthzn: I agree it looks damn nice
[18:11] <nuvolari> it's like CLI for GUI, which doesn't feel right
[18:11] <nuvolari> lo inetpro!
[18:11] <inetpro> just hope it is as practical as it looks
[18:12] <nlsthzn> Tried it out in VBox... still a but too early to tell
[18:12] <inetpro> I think it can work
[18:12] <nuvolari> hmm, maybe I should find a video, the screenshots maybe gave me the wrong idea
[18:12] <nlsthzn> showed the wife as she uses gimp a lot and she really likes the idea... can get lost in those menus :)
[18:12] <inetpro> the video is very cool
[18:13] <nlsthzn> omgubuntu has the video
[18:15] <inetpro> nuvolari: see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939
[18:16] <cocooncrash> inetpro: :)
[18:16] <inetpro> or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_WW-DHqR3c
[18:16] <inetpro> cocooncrash: how's the weather up north?
[18:17] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Good, nice and cool
[18:17] <cocooncrash> Maaz: weather for mountain view, ca
[18:17] <Maaz> cocooncrash: In Moffett NAS, California at 9:56 AM PST on January 25, 2012: 12°C; Humidity: 89%; Wind: NNW at 6 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:16 AM PST/5:24 PM PST; Moonrise/set: 8:23 AM PST/8:18 PM PST
[18:20] <inetpro> nlsthzn: the only idea that I don't like is that of hiding the entire menu
[18:20] <inetpro> cocooncrash: always good to see in here
[18:21] <nuvolari> oooh! interesting, hud-cli :D
[18:21] <nlsthzn> inetpro, well they are all ready hiding it with the global menu...
[18:21] <nuvolari> it looks much like zsh-functionality though
[18:22] <nlsthzn> I think the cli is more for testing but looks awesome
[18:23] <inetpro> Yikes!
[18:23] <inetpro> at about 26s into the video they are advertising IE?
[18:23] <nlsthzn> ?
[18:27] <inetpro> or rather 28 seconds into the video
[18:29] <nlsthzn> on youtube?
[18:37] <inetpro> nlsthzn: yep, that youtube link above
[18:37] <nlsthzn> oh ok :)
[18:38] <inetpro> check the ad on the OMGubuntu site
[18:39] <inetpro> in the video, that is
[18:49] <inetpro> wb drussell
[18:49] <drussell> inetpro: hey :o)
[18:49] <drussell> inetpro: how's things?
[18:56] <inetpro> drussell: good and yourself?
[18:57]  * inetpro is struggling with internet connectivity this evening
[18:57] <inetpro> rainy weather in Pretoria
[18:57] <drussell> inetpro: good too!
[18:57] <drussell> inetpro: hehe strangely enough I've been struggling with internet connectivity all day today
[18:58] <drussell> inetpro: been manning a stand and running demos @ "Cloud Expo Europe" but the internet access has been awful
[18:59] <drussell> inetpro: even 3G was swamped so couldn't rely on phone/data either!
[18:59] <inetpro> sounds interesting though
[18:59] <drussell> inetpro: yup, not bad, it's my third year running at the event... though previous years I was representing another company ;o)
[18:59] <drussell> (ssssshhhh Red Hat sssssshhhhh) ;o)
[18:59] <inetpro> drussell: a Canonical stand?
[19:00] <inetpro> eish
[19:00] <drussell> inetpro: yup Canonical/Ubuntu
[19:00] <inetpro> ahh
[19:00] <inetpro> :-)
[19:00] <inetpro> many people around?
[19:01] <drussell> inetpro: yeah, quite a few, certainly the busiest so far out of the 3 years
[19:01] <inetpro> nice
[19:04] <Kilos> hiya superfly et al
[19:05] <Kilos> hey nlsthzn you at work?
[19:05] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos ... nope at home for a change :)
[19:05] <Kilos> ah thats nice
[19:05] <Kilos> hi Guest62405
[19:06] <Guest62405> Hi
[19:06] <Guest62405> Looking for help on a issue... would this be the place...?
[19:06] <inetpro> Kilos: good evening oom
[19:06] <Kilos> ubuntu or linux issues yes Guest62405
[19:06] <Kilos> hi there inetpro hows things
[19:07] <inetpro> Guest62405: don't ask to ask, just ask
[19:07] <inetpro> Kilos: good and you?
[19:07] <Kilos> good ty my buddy
[19:07] <Guest62405> thanks - I'm trying to create a personal hotspot using laptop & 3G modem, running Unbuntu 11.10
[19:08] <Guest62405> problem is when I click "use as hotspot" under wireless settings, nothing happens
[19:09] <Guest62405> it creates a hotspot connection under wireless connections, but doesn't connect to anything and isn't picked up by any of my other wireless devices
[19:09] <inetpro> Guest62405: hmm... I didn't even know about that option
[19:09] <Kilos> hehe Guest62405 just be patient, one of the brains here will help you
[19:09] <inetpro> never to old to learn
[19:10] <Kilos> i dont even know what a hotspot is
[19:10] <Guest62405> hehehe, thanks!
[19:10] <Guest62405> :-)
[19:10] <Kilos> what is it used for Guest62405
[19:11] <Guest62405> I want to create a local wifi network to connect to the internet through my laptop
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: it's like creating a wireless router so other machines can connect to the internet via the hotspot
[19:11] <Kilos> ah
[19:12] <Kilos> without a router?
[19:12] <Guest62405> yup
[19:12] <Kilos> how they gonna connect to each other
[19:12] <Kilos> cable?
[19:12] <Guest62405> using wireless
[19:12] <zeref> Guest62405: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Adhoc ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint
[19:12] <Kilos> oh i see ty
[19:12] <Kilos> hi zeref
[19:13] <zeref> hi Kilos
[19:13] <Guest62405> thanks, I'll have a look at the link
[19:14] <Kilos> Guest62405, i see you came here via your browser, you can install xchat and make life easier
[19:15] <zeref> but Guest62405: in network-manager there is an option to create a new wireless option, did ou use that?
[19:15] <Guest62405> i tried... without success... I'm still a real newbie!
[19:15] <Guest62405> i did fiddle with network manager
[19:16] <Guest62405> but didn't have much luck
[19:19] <zeref> hmmm
[19:19] <Guest62405> The link requires me to install server edition - I was hoping for a simpler solution
[19:19] <Guest62405> The net suggests that it should be quite easy
[19:20] <Kilos> might this help?
[19:20] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[19:22] <Kilos> zeref, you in heaven with the lappy as compared to the old pc?
[19:32] <Kilos> wb bakuman
[19:35] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[19:35] <nuvolari> naandse :>
[19:35] <Kilos> nuvolari, hoe gaan dit seun?
[19:35] <nuvolari> gaan goed dankie oom
[19:35] <nuvolari> net bietjie warm vanaand
[19:35] <Kilos> goed dankie
[19:36] <Kilos> baie lekker hier, ons het nou nou n donderstorm gehad
[19:36] <nuvolari> dis lekker.  Wysheid in die grysheid
[19:42] <guest> onder servers het ek irc.freenode.net/8001
[19:42] <Kilos> hja dis reg
[19:42] <guest> favourite channels #ununtu-za
[19:42] <guest> #ubuntu-za
[19:42] <Kilos> ja en dan connect
[19:42] <guest> Nickname: sommer iets random
[19:43] <Kilos> moet hier na toe kmo
[19:43] <zeref> Kilos: Lappy is moms, she wanted me to fix stuff, still have pc
[19:43] <Kilos> nee man nie sommer enigiets nie jy gaan baie hier kom kuier
[19:43] <Kilos> aw
[19:44] <guest> *** checking indent
[19:44] <Kilos> guest kies n lekker nick
[19:44] <guest> *** couldn't look up your hostname
[19:44] <Kilos> dit sal deur kom
[19:44] <Kilos> my voda maak ook so
[19:44] <guest> ek op Cell C
[19:44] <Kilos> dit sal werk
[19:45] <Kilos> wag net bietjie
[19:45] <guest> gee heeltyd selfde fout, sal hom los laat hy aangaan
[19:45] <Kilos> watse fout?
[19:45] <guest> *** couldn't look up your hostname
[19:45] <guest> dan disconnect hy weer
[19:46] <Kilos> dit maak nie saak nie dit sal deaur kom
[19:46] <Kilos> myne gaan verby dit
[19:46] <inetpro> guest: favourite channels #ubuntu-za nie #ununtu-za
[19:46] <Kilos> lol
[19:46] <Kilos> ha ha welkom piet
[19:46] <inetpro> welkom PietPompies
[19:47] <PietPompies> awesome, daar gaan hy deur
[19:47] <Kilos> dit vat party keer n rukkie
[19:47] <PietPompies> Beter as guest neem ek aan!
[19:47] <Kilos> ja so bietjie
[19:47] <Kilos> jou nick is nick?
[19:48] <Kilos> you an engelsman that goois the taal
[19:49] <PietPompies> Yup, I throws it far
[19:50] <PietPompies> Engelse ouers, Afrikaans skool
[19:50] <PietPompies> 100% baster
[19:50] <Kilos> ok now we just need someone to give you the vpn settings for network manager
[19:50] <Kilos> where are you PietPompies
[19:50] <PietPompies> Century City
[19:50] <PietPompies> in Cape Town
[19:50] <Kilos> where is that?
[19:51] <Kilos> ah
[19:51] <PietPompies> yourself?
[19:51] <Kilos> there are lotsa ubuntu peeps in capetown area
[19:51] <Kilos> ptown
[19:51] <Kilos> Pta
[19:51] <PietPompies> I was initially on a CT IRC, but it was dead
[19:51] <Kilos> yeah we all use freenode
[19:51] <PietPompies> ah, ek weet net dis die wereld van blou bloed
[19:52] <Kilos> hehe
[19:52] <PietPompies> never been there
[19:52] <PietPompies> I don't think 11.10 has network manager (?)
[19:53] <PietPompies> It's got network and "network connections"
[19:53] <Kilos> inetpro, have you any idea what the vpn settings are for wireless in vpn in nm
[19:53] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:53] <Kilos> doesnt it come up in your top panel
[19:53] <inetpro> sorry, was busy with other stuffs
[19:53] <Kilos> np
[19:53] <inetpro> no man, why setup any vpn seetings?
[19:54] <Kilos> he wants to use wireless inetpro
[19:54] <PietPompies> the guides just tell you to open "networks" and select "Use as Hotspot"
[19:54] <inetpro> should be as easy as, connect with USB to internet and then press "Use as Hotspot"
[19:54] <PietPompies> as I mentioned, this creates a new connection under wireless connections, but nothing further happens
[19:55] <Kilos> maybe it isnt seeing a wireless connection
[19:55] <inetpro> PietPompies: why are you tryng to create the hotspot, do you have something else that also needs a web connection?
[19:56] <PietPompies> Yes, I want to connect my iphone and ipad through the 3G connection
[19:56] <PietPompies> I don't have adsl
[19:56] <PietPompies> some am trying to share the connection with all my other devices in the house
[19:56] <Tonberry> there is an ap mode gui?
[19:56] <PietPompies> *so
[19:56] <inetpro> have you tried scanning for a wireless network on these devices after having pressed "Use as Hotspot" on Ubuntu?
[19:57] <PietPompies> yes, it doesn't pick anything up
[19:57] <PietPompies> when I click "use as hotspot", the "configure" button doesn't become active either
[19:57] <inetpro> I haven't tried it yet., so unfortunately can't help much
[19:57] <Kilos> then there isnt one in the area?
[19:57] <inetpro> perhaps some settings needed
[19:58] <Kilos> the fone should see if there is one in the area but you need pin numbers for them i think
[19:58] <PietPompies> it is a bit of a strange one - I didn't see anyone else having such a problem on the forums
[19:58] <PietPompies> yes, thats why I want to create my own
[19:58] <PietPompies> also safer for banking, etc
[19:59] <Kilos> if there isnt a wireless tower in your area you wont get anything
[20:00] <Kilos> you need to get a signal from one first
[20:00] <Tonberry> not all wifi cards can be used as hotspots
[20:00] <PietPompies> thanks Tonberry - that may be my problem then
[20:01] <Kilos> maybe
[20:01] <Kilos> maybe try contact the wug in that area
[20:02] <Kilos> they should tell you if there is coverage where you are
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: nee
[20:02] <Kilos> o?
[20:02] <inetpro> Kilos: the hotspot will be created on his Ubuntu machine
[20:02] <inetpro> his ubuntu machine will thus act as a wireless router
[20:03] <PietPompies> exactly
[20:03] <Kilos> yeah but if it cant see a wireless tower anywhere how can it connect to the internet
[20:03] <PietPompies> or that was the plan...
[20:03] <inetpro> nee
[20:03] <Kilos> am i missing something
[20:03] <inetpro> Kilos: no wireless towers involved here
[20:03] <Tonberry> 3g in wifi out
[20:03] <PietPompies> connect to internet using 3G data stick
[20:03] <Kilos> aha
[20:04] <PietPompies> then use pc as a hotspot
[20:04] <PietPompies> for my other devices
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: except for the USB connecting to a 3G wireless tower
[20:04] <Kilos> do the devices see the pc?
[20:04] <Kilos> maybe the wireless card isnt activated
[20:04] <PietPompies> not under wireless
[20:05] <PietPompies> let me quickly check bluetooth
[20:05] <Kilos> bt is fast i got 3m/s here
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: a wifi access point (or hotspot) has a range of about 20 meters
[20:05] <Kilos> ah
[20:06] <Kilos> bt is less
[20:06] <PietPompies> I think I'm trying to do something that I don't properly understand...
[20:06] <Kilos> thats how you learn
[20:06] <PietPompies> but dammit its frustrating!
[20:07] <inetpro> PietPompies: what laptop do you have?
[20:07] <PietPompies> toshiba satellite L300
[20:08] <PietPompies> also got a lenovo running windows 7 Starter, which microsoft disabled the hotspot functionality on
[20:08] <PietPompies> hence my attempt to do it through Ubuntu
[20:09] <inetpro> PietPompies: Just a simple question: Have you activated the WLAN card using the hardware switch on the notebook and key combination FN+F8?
[20:10] <PietPompies> the switch is on
[20:10] <PietPompies> FN+F8 doesn't seem to have any effect - don't think the shortcut works in Ubunut
[20:10] <PietPompies> Ubuntu
[20:10] <PietPompies> Ubuntu picks up that the wireless is on
[20:11] <Kilos> hen try the fone to search again
[20:12] <PietPompies> phone doesn't pick it up
[20:12] <PietPompies> I've got an old router that I plugged in - the phone picks that up
[20:13] <drussell> PietPompies: I think it's a bug
[20:13] <drussell> PietPompies: it was working under 11.04
[20:13] <drussell> PietPompies: but I've just found that exact same issue under 11.10 and 12.04 earlier today
[20:13] <PietPompies> ah... looks like I didn't look hard enough then
[20:14] <PietPompies> can you send me the link of someone who had a similar issue?
[20:16] <PietPompies> don't suppose it's possible to back track to 10.04
[20:16] <PietPompies> 11.04
[20:16] <Kilos> lo plustwo
[20:17] <plustwo> oom Kilos how are you doing?
[20:17] <plustwo> hi everyone ...
[20:17] <Kilos> well ty and you plustwo
[20:17] <plustwo> o/
[20:18] <Kilos> PietPompies, have you tried connecting via btooth yet?
[20:18] <PietPompies> yes - no luck
[20:19] <Kilos> do ifones have bt?
[20:19] <PietPompies> yup
[20:19] <Kilos> and they dont see each other?
[20:19] <Kilos> you need to tell the pc bt to search
[20:20] <PietPompies> ah, the bluetooth is greyed out
[20:20] <Kilos> maybe you need to plug a bt dongle in
[20:21] <PietPompies> I wonder if it isn't a compatibility issue, similar to what drussell mentioned
[20:21] <Kilos> dunno if that lappy has one internally
[20:21] <Kilos> do you have a usb bt dongle
[20:21] <PietPompies> nope
[20:21] <PietPompies> unfortunately
[20:21] <Kilos> eish
[20:22] <PietPompies> the iPhone can act as a hotspot, so perhaps my solution is just to buy large databundles for it
[20:22] <Kilos> isnt it slower then a modem
[20:23] <inetpro> plustwo: good evening
[20:23] <Kilos> that isnt solving the prob how are you gonna get the lappy to see the iphone
[20:23] <PietPompies> no, it's quite fast if the signal is strong enough
[20:23] <PietPompies> I'll just let it be to be honest
[20:23] <inetpro> plustwo: have you perhaps played with the hotspot function on Ubuntu 11.10?
[20:24] <PietPompies> mostly use the windows laptop
[20:25] <PietPompies> how do you search for wireless networks in 11.10?
[20:25] <inetpro> PietPompies: see http://www.bigfatostrich.com/2011/10/solved-ubuntu-11-10-wireless-issues/
[20:25] <inetpro> perhaps it can help
[20:25] <Kilos> inetpro, ls -la will see if there is a bt in that lappy hey?
[20:26] <Kilos> ah
[20:26] <nuvolari> whoa. activity like mad!
[20:26] <inetpro> nuvolari: wb
[20:26] <Kilos> lol jy slaap
[20:26] <nuvolari> pffft, ek slaap nie
[20:26] <Kilos> hehe
[20:26] <nuvolari> hhet 'n composition gemaak
[20:26] <nuvolari> *het
[20:27] <nuvolari> van kiekies wat ek vandag geneem het
[20:27] <nuvolari> en met 'n halwe oog fliek gekyk
[20:27] <Kilos> if you snooze you lose
[20:27] <inetpro> PietPompies: just take that with a pinch of salt since you don't have the same hardware
[20:28] <nuvolari> was net drrrr, drrrr peeeeee! drrr drrr! Boef! drrr peeee doef!
[20:28] <drussell> PietPompies: I think I've found the solution
[20:28] <drussell> PietPompies: or at least a workarounde
[20:28] <drussell> PietPompies: http://askubuntu.com/questions/64494/wired-connection-shared-with-other-computers-connects-then-disconnects-in-11-10
[20:28] <PietPompies> thanks inetpro - this looks promising
[20:29]  * nuvolari craves for milk
[20:29] <Kilos> baby
[20:29] <inetpro> nuvolari: good idea
[20:29] <Kilos> babies
[20:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[20:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[20:30] <PietPompies> thanks drussell - I saw this post.  From what I could pickup the solution was to kill dnsmasq.  It's not running on my pc
[20:30] <drussell> PietPompies: it works as part of the network manager connection sharing
[20:31] <inetpro> The workaround for now is to set IPv6 options to Ignore and then sudo killall dnsmasq. Reconnect and it should work.
[20:31] <drussell> PietPompies: the key bit is "IPv6 options to Ignore"
[20:31] <nuvolari> still sounds like firestarter's connection sharing is the simplest :P
[20:31] <inetpro> nuvolari: he needs wifi to work
[20:32] <inetpro> bye squi[tab]
[20:32] <nuvolari> inetpro: connection sharing over wifi, or is it a different kind of issue?
[20:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: yep
[20:33] <inetpro> nuvolari: but with the ubuntu acting as a wifi hotspot
[20:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[20:34] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[20:34] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[20:35] <inetpro> PietPompies: also read the bug comments at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/865001
[20:35] <superfly> lots of chatter tonight
[20:35] <PietPompies> is network manager the same as "network" in 11.10?
[20:35] <Kilos> http://mylinuxramblings.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/how-to-stop-ubuntu-11-10-wireless-dr
[20:36] <drussell> PietPompies: nope
[20:36] <drussell> Kilos: good find
[20:36]  * drussell subscribes
[20:37] <PietPompies> if I type network manager into the search, nothing comes up
[20:37] <drussell> PietPompies: I've just tested it here, the workaround above certainly fixes it
[20:38] <drussell> PietPompies: you're connecting your laptop via wired? and then trying to share that wired connection via your laptops wireless connection, yes?
[20:38] <PietPompies> connecting via 3G
[20:38] <PietPompies> then trying to share via wireless
[20:38] <drussell> PietPompies: ahh ok, yup, same principle
[20:39] <drussell> PietPompies: I'm actually doing exactly the same thing here
[20:39] <drussell> PietPompies: just tested with 11.10 and 12.04
[20:40] <PietPompies> awesome - so you recommend this: The workaround for now is to set IPv6 options to Ignore and then sudo killall dnsmasq. Reconnect and it should work.
[20:40] <inetpro> Kilos: that link of yours is interesting but I don't think is related
[20:40] <Kilos> aw sorry
[20:40] <Kilos> i try
[20:40] <inetpro> PietPompies: try it
[20:40] <drussell> inetpro: I think it is, it seems to be reporting the exact issue
[20:41] <inetpro> hmm
[20:41] <drussell> inetpro: it's the outgoing/shared connection that's at fault, doesn't matter what the incoming supply connection is
[20:41] <Kilos> i know how frustrating it can be when things dont work  and for young fellas its even worse
[20:42] <Kilos> and i like seeing ubuntu work where windows cant
[20:42] <PietPompies> hahaha, I'd think it's worse for the older generation - they've had enough practice on most things to know how it works (technology excluded)
[20:42] <Kilos> but patience is lacking in the young ones
[20:43]  * inetpro needs some sleep
[20:43] <PietPompies> won't deny that
[20:44]  * plustwo is now releaved the Vodacom connection works better on the tablet
[20:44] <Kilos> ok inetpro sleep tight. ty for the help and chats
[20:44] <Kilos> visit more often
[20:44] <inetpro> PietPompies: good luck out there, and do come back soon even if your problems are gone
[20:44] <PietPompies> the workaround doesn't work for me
[20:44] <Kilos> aw
[20:44] <PietPompies> thanks very much for all your help!
[20:44] <PietPompies> and donating some of your evening for hopefully a worthy cause
[20:44] <inetpro> np
[20:45] <Kilos> yes PietPompies we like to see new blood here
[20:45] <inetpro> good night
[20:45] <Kilos> nag boetie
[20:45] <PietPompies> good night
[20:45] <PietPompies> I thought Wed night was "klein Saterdag"!
[20:45] <drussell> PietPompies: hmm.... you've set IPv6 to ignore?
[20:45] <PietPompies> yes
[20:46] <PietPompies> I'll take you through exactly what I do
[20:46] <PietPompies> firstly delete all wireless connections in "network connections"
[20:46] <plustwo> inetpro I haven't played around with 11.10 wifi stuff (hotspots)
[20:47] <PietPompies> then click wireless - "use as hotspot" in Networks
[20:47] <PietPompies> a wireless connection appears under wireless in Network connections
[20:47] <PietPompies> but there is no active connection
[20:47] <PietPompies> and last used = never
[20:48] <PietPompies> network connections icon does look greyed out though
[20:48] <drussell> PietPompies: one sec let me test something...
[20:48] <drussell> back in a few mins
[20:49] <Kilos> PietPompies, if you then go add doesnt it show more stuff
[20:49] <Kilos> or edit
[20:49] <PietPompies> I click on edit
[20:49] <PietPompies> set IPv6 to ignore
[20:49] <Kilos> i am on maverick so not sure what the changes look like
[20:49] <Kilos> ah
[20:49] <PietPompies> screen shots would actually be best in these situations
[20:50] <Kilos> wait for drussel to come back, he is at canonical i think
[20:51] <PietPompies> wow, ok
[20:51] <Kilos> maybe even tumbleweed  tomorrow he is in the developement guys
[20:52] <Kilos> someone will find a fix for you
[20:52] <PietPompies> I just hope its not something silly
[20:53] <PietPompies> but I've tried most suggetions I could find
[20:53] <PietPompies> perhaps it's the driver
[20:53] <Kilos> what bugs me is that the phone doesnt even see your wireless signal from the pc
[20:53] <PietPompies> yes, that's why I think it may be the driver
[20:53] <Kilos> could be
[20:53] <Kilos> or its not activated
[20:53] <PietPompies> previously had windows installed on this machine and wireless worked fine
[20:53] <PietPompies> so the hardware should be ok
[20:53] <plustwo> is there no switch on the laptop that needs to be switched on and off to activate the wireless part?
[20:54] <PietPompies> I've got it switched on
[20:54] <PietPompies> That would be a REAL newbie mistake!
[20:54] <Kilos> if its active the fone must see it if its working
[20:55] <Kilos> drussell, wb
[20:56] <drussell> hey PietPompies I've just double checked, my 11.10 needed a reboot before it worked but it did work, there's probably something that didnt' respond well to the killall
[20:56] <drussell> Kilos: thanks :o)
[20:56] <PietPompies> ok, I'll give that a go
[20:56] <PietPompies> otherwise may be a driver that needs updating
[20:56] <drussell> PietPompies: so... to get this working I did
[20:57] <drussell> PietPompies: network manager applet > edit connections
[20:57] <drussell> wireless tab, click add
[20:58] <drussell> input ssid, change mode from infrastructure to ad-hoc
[20:58] <drussell> click security tab
[20:58] <superfly> http://oilrush-game.com/news/2012/01/25/oil-rush-released/
[20:58] <drussell> change it to whatever and put a passphrase in
[20:58] <drussell> click ipv4 settings
[20:58] <drussell> set method to share with other computers
[20:59] <drussell> click ipv6 settings
[20:59] <drussell> tab
[20:59] <drussell> set method to ignore
[20:59] <drussell> then I rebooted
[20:59] <PietPompies> ok, I've followed those instructions exactly
[20:59] <drussell> (click save first ;o)
[21:00] <PietPompies> hehehe
[21:00] <PietPompies> only question is that I have network connections - not network manager
[21:00] <PietPompies> but options are the same
[21:00] <PietPompies> also, my network connections tab is slightly greyed out in the taskbar
[21:00] <drussell> PietPompies: so network manager is linked to that applet in the top right of your menu bar
[21:01] <drussell> PietPompies: the only other bug I've found
[21:02] <drussell> PietPompies: is that you may also need to set the "connect automatically" checkbox
[21:02] <drussell> PietPompies: because if you don't the wireless network you've just set up doesn't appear as one for you to manually start it seems
[21:03] <PietPompies> ok, I've saved your instructions incause I need to redo it
[21:03] <PietPompies> will reboot and see if it makes a difference
[21:03] <Kilos> good luck
[21:03] <drussell> PietPompies: once you've set it up, it seems to work straight away
[21:03] <drussell> PietPompies: no tinkering required :o)
[21:04] <drussell> PietPompies: indeed, as Kilos says, good luck!
[21:04] <PietPompies> hehehe, the tinkering usually breaks more than it fixes!
[21:04] <PietPompies> if you're not online when I get back, thank you so much for all the help
[21:04] <PietPompies> really appreciate it
[21:04] <Kilos> well come on reboot lets see
[21:05] <Kilos> come back again
[21:05] <PietPompies> and I'm off - will be back!
[21:05]  * Kilos holds thumbs
[21:06] <drussell> Kilos: hehe, I hope it works ;o)
[21:07] <drussell> Kilos: I've tested here so it *should*
[21:07] <Kilos> drussell, yeah me too
[21:07] <Kilos> all the different pcs make all the probs
[21:07]  * drussell likes the vibe in #ubuntu-za
[21:07] <Kilos> yeah we a happy family
[21:08] <drussell> Kilos: yeah, all the different manufacturers, different components, makes it pretty difficult to get a stable base across such a wide range of hardware
[21:08] <drussell> Kilos: for what we have to work with, I think we do a damn good job :o)
[21:08] <Kilos> yeah i think so too
[21:08] <drussell> Kilos: and when I say we, I mean everyone in the ubuntu community
[21:08] <Kilos> without you guys we all would be lost
[21:09] <drussell> Kilos: heh without everyone in the community we'd be nothing
[21:09] <Kilos> i cant imagine still being on ubuntu without #ubuntu-za
[21:09] <drussell> Kilos: btw you tried 12.04 and the new HUD yet?
[21:09] <drussell> PietPompies: so far so good ;o)
[21:09] <Kilos> PietPompies, wb
[21:09] <superfly> drussell: being the leader of an open source project which spans not only hardware, but also distros and operating systems, I know exactly what you mean ;-)
[21:09] <PietPompies> thanks
[21:10] <drussell> PietPompies: laptop didn't explode in a giant ball of flame so we're doing ok so far :o)
[21:10] <Kilos> no drussell my pc cant handle unity
[21:10] <PietPompies> hahaha
[21:10] <PietPompies> no joy though
[21:10] <drussell> Kilos: booooo :o(
[21:10] <Kilos> and bandwidth holds me on maverick
[21:10] <PietPompies> at least it saved the settings
[21:10] <drussell> PietPompies: damn
[21:10] <PietPompies> but still not connecting
[21:10] <Kilos> eish
[21:10] <PietPompies> I think I should try updating the drivers
[21:11] <PietPompies> fishy that some of the icons or greyed out
[21:11] <Kilos> PietPompies, have you updated since installing
[21:11] <drussell> PietPompies: maybe, it's possible the driver doesn't understand/handle ad-hoc mode I guess
[21:11] <PietPompies> where do you search for other wireless devices?
[21:11] <drussell> Kilos: maverick was a good release ;o)
[21:11] <PietPompies> in 11.10
[21:12] <PietPompies> want to see if it can find my phone
[21:12] <Kilos> yes PietPompies do you know how rto use the terminal
[21:12] <PietPompies> (my other laptop finds it, so its not an issue with the phone)
[21:12] <PietPompies> know how to get there, yes
[21:12] <drussell> right, gtg all
[21:12] <Kilos> ok type in sudo apt-get update
[21:12] <Kilos> ty drussell
[21:12] <drussell> catch you all later ;o)
[21:13] <Kilos> go well
[21:13] <drussell> Kilos: cu soon :o)
[21:13] <Kilos> :-)
[21:13] <plustwo> drussell cheers
[21:13] <PietPompies> baie dankie Kilos!
[21:13] <PietPompies> have a good evening and thanks for all the help
[21:13] <drussell> plustwo: byeee
[21:13] <Kilos> PietPompies, i am here
[21:13] <drussell> PietPompies: yvw
[21:14] <Kilos> PietPompies, type sudo apt-get update in terminal
[21:14] <PietPompies> eish - perhaps I'm also too tired - greeting the wrong person...
[21:14] <Kilos> quickly man
[21:14] <PietPompies> its done
[21:14] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:14] <Kilos> what does it tell you
[21:15] <PietPompies> it updated a couple of files
[21:15] <PietPompies> didn't see any errors or anything like that
[21:15] <Kilos> was one the network goodie
[21:16] <PietPompies> not sure
[21:16] <Kilos> before you update your system doesnt know what is all available
[21:16] <Kilos> and before you upgrade lots of things arent fully updated
[21:16] <Kilos> maybe it will work now
[21:16] <PietPompies> ok, I try to update from the update manager everytime I log on
[21:16] <PietPompies> i'll give it a go
[21:16] <Kilos> we can look tomorrow night again
[21:17] <PietPompies> nope
[21:17] <Kilos> in the update manager you need to tell it to check as well for new stuff
[21:17] <PietPompies> ok, I'll do that
[21:17] <PietPompies> thanks for all the help
[21:17] <Kilos> reload or something
[21:18] <Kilos> im not sure in 11.10
[21:18] <Kilos> you welcome, sorry its not working yet
[21:18] <PietPompies> got about 200MB of updates
[21:18] <PietPompies> so perhaps that will help
[21:19] <PietPompies> if not, I will be back!
[21:19] <Kilos> see you system wasnt updated
[21:19] <Kilos> ok i wait to see
[21:19] <PietPompies> indeed - that may be the cause
[21:19] <Kilos> lets hope
[21:20] <PietPompies> won't be online until next week though, perhaps I can report good news then
[21:21] <Kilos> whew i will have forgotten by then
[21:21] <PietPompies> but I'll have a look at some of the links you guys provided aswell
[21:21] <PietPompies> hahahaha
[21:21] <Kilos> lol
[21:21] <PietPompies> well then you can start helping me from scratch and not feel "gatvol"!
[21:22] <Kilos> lol
[21:22] <Kilos> some of the top ubuntu guys are here
[21:22] <Kilos> someone here will fix it for you
[21:23] <PietPompies> It's really great that they're willing to help people out
[21:23] <Kilos> thats what ubuntu community is all about
[21:24] <Kilos> wonderful buncha geeks
[21:24] <PietPompies> hahaha, and proud of it
[21:24] <PietPompies> must say, I do enjoy the satisfaction once something is working just the way you want
[21:25] <Kilos> yeah
[21:25] <PietPompies> but if they want to get more mainstream, they need to make it idiot proof, which is extremely tough
[21:25] <Kilos> and it gives you even more satisfaction to help someone else again later
[21:25] <PietPompies> the world is good at producing big idiots!
[21:26] <Kilos> lol
[21:26] <PietPompies> thanks very true
[21:26] <PietPompies> *that's
[21:27] <PietPompies> is this update that I'm adding now part of the stable release or the latest available upgrade?
[21:27] <Kilos> it includes all the fixes
[21:27] <Kilos> and security stuff
[21:28] <Kilos> so any bug that was there gets fixed
[21:29] <PietPompies> nice and fast with the local server
[21:29] <Kilos> which one are you using
[21:29] <Kilos> there are a few
[21:30] <PietPompies> no idea - za.archive.ubuntu.com
[21:30] <Kilos> ya thats good
[21:30] <Kilos> also you can look in synaptic package manager
[21:31] <Kilos> type in wireless in the search block and it will show whats available
[21:32] <PietPompies> I'll just need to wait for the update to complete
[21:32] <Kilos> might be something specific to your hardware there
[21:32] <PietPompies> It can't get a lock
[21:32] <PietPompies> with the updates running
[21:32] <Kilos> most likely it will work after upgrading
[21:32] <Kilos> 200m is lots that wasnt fully updated
[21:33] <PietPompies> I'm trying to think when last I updated - I don't think it was that long ago
[21:33] <PietPompies> but it's quite a bit, yes
[21:34] <Kilos> yes but if you dont refresh/reload the update manager it doesnt see new updates
[21:34] <PietPompies> One of the many things I've learnt tonight!
[21:34] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update gets them all
[21:35] <Kilos> have you joined our mailing list
[21:35] <PietPompies> nope - where can I add my email?
[21:35] <Kilos> thats normally where guys start off looking for help[
[21:36] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:36] <PietPompies> i see... I just got so frustrated with it not working I thought I'd get some live help!
[21:36] <PietPompies> so do I just sent a blank email to that email address?
[21:37] <Kilos> yeah its better here but you also learn from others asking there for help and seeing how they are helped
[21:37] <PietPompies> or with subscribe in the subject
[21:37] <Kilos> you subscribe
[21:37] <Kilos> i have forgotten how already
[21:37] <Kilos> hehe
[21:38] <PietPompies> I'm sure I'll find it on the website
[21:38] <PietPompies> great, update complete
[21:38] <PietPompies> I'll need to restart I think
[21:38] <Kilos> you can just state you problem there as completely as possible and will get help from guys that arent here as well
[21:39] <Kilos> but most are
[21:39] <Kilos> ok i wait and see
[21:39] <PietPompies> great, will be back in 5 min
[21:39] <Kilos>  cool
[21:40]  * plustwo goes through the logs (backlogs) ...
[21:42] <Kilos> hehe we been chatting the hind leg off this donkey
[21:42] <Kilos> where you been plustwo
[21:43] <plustwo> Kilos: most of the time on courses
[21:43] <Kilos> ah
[21:44] <plustwo> plus away from work...
[21:44] <plustwo> tiring
[21:45] <plustwo>  @ least I wasn't china
[21:45] <Kilos> hehe
[21:45] <plustwo> in China
[21:46] <plustwo> I'm using a touch screen & typing errors are such huge
[21:48] <Kilos> these modern things are too much for me
[21:48] <Kilos> like my boet has a bb fone
[21:48] <Kilos> what a pain
[21:48] <plustwo> heh... hence called high-tech
[21:49] <Kilos> yay PietPompies wb
[21:49] <PietPompies> sorry for delay - rebooted twice
[21:49] <Kilos> np
[21:49] <PietPompies> still no luck!
[21:49] <Kilos> eish
[21:49] <Kilos> send one mail to the lists
[21:49] <PietPompies> but at boot up, it said not all networking functionality activated
[21:50] <PietPompies> or something to that effect
[21:50] <PietPompies> it was looking for network configuration
[21:50] <Kilos> ah now you can find what to activate
[21:50] <PietPompies> haha, and so the quest continues!      I'll play around with it a bit over the weekend
[21:51] <PietPompies> Anyhow, I should also be off to bed - work awaits tomorrow
[21:51] <Kilos> sleep tight PietPompies
[21:51] <PietPompies> hehehe, jy ook Ook Kilos
[21:51] <Kilos> nice meeting you
[21:51] <PietPompies> *Oom
[21:51] <Kilos> haha dont you also start that
[21:51] <PietPompies> you too, and thanks again for all the help and patience
[21:52] <Kilos> yw
[21:52] <PietPompies> hehehe, when in Rome...
[21:52] <Kilos> lol
[21:52] <PietPompies> I'll update next week if I've made any progress
[21:52] <Kilos> good luck
[21:52] <PietPompies> enjoy the rest of your week
[21:52] <Kilos> you too lad
[21:52] <PietPompies> thanks
[21:53] <PietPompies> cheers!
[21:53] <Kilos> toods
[21:53] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[21:53] <plustwo> cheers. gudnite oomph
[21:53] <Kilos> lol
[21:54] <plustwo> *oom


[06:24] <Noskcaj> So telstra now say it will be fixed on the 9th, but my mum has a heap of bonus 3g data to try and make up for it
[07:10] <darkxst> Noskcaj, stupid telstra !
[07:10] <darkxst> they wouldnt even give us dsl here, claimed the exchange was full
[07:11] <darkxst> after 2 weeks of stuffing around with telstra, ordered a line through internode, and it was connected in 2 days (via Telstra Wholesale)!
[07:22] <mgedmin> mephux, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1376387 ?
[07:23] <mgedmin> actually no
[07:23] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1414661
[08:41] <mgedmin> oh how I wish gnome-boxes would let me pick a distro and then go and download the iso for me
[08:41] <mgedmin> "I want ubuntu 12.04 in a VM now" is a problem I tend to have, and so far haven't found a sufficiently easy solution
[09:14] <mgedmin> qemu :(
[09:14] <mgedmin> hit ctrl-alt-f -> fullscreen, okay, didn't want that
[09:15] <mgedmin> hit ctrl-alt-f again -> now my two monitors are in clone mode
[09:15] <mgedmin> fifteen mouse clicks in system preferences to get back to extended desktop :(
[09:15] <mgedmin> and I have no manual page for qemu for some reason; the manual page for kvm links to the man page for qemu
[09:15] <mgedmin> and doesn't mention what the key is for resetting qemu's window size to 1:1
[09:18] <mgedmin> ctrl-alt-u
[09:28] <darkxst> mgedmin, gnome-boxes is purely a GNOME thing
[09:28] <darkxst> (unless you are using it for remote access)
[09:28] <darkxst> ^to VM's
[09:30] <darkxst> I tend to use vmware for all my VM's, maybe propriety but damn it kills the FOSS competitors!
[09:31] <mgedmin> at one point the best web browser on Linux (in my then-opinion) was Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 running in a full-screen'ed VMWare VM
[09:31] <mgedmin> (that was before firefox even existed)
[09:44] <darkxst> mgedmin, or that was before you knew firefox existed?
[09:45] <darkxst> but vmware has come a long way since then
[09:45] <mgedmin> ancient times
[09:45] <mgedmin> I remember trying konqueror as a web browser
[09:45] <darkxst> most of their drivers are now open source and mainlined in the kernel
[09:45] <mgedmin> I had no complains for vmware back then (other than "not open source")
[09:45] <darkxst> its just the virtual hardware platform that is closed up
[09:46] <darkxst> vs virtualbox which is open source, but will never get their rubbish into the kernel
[09:48] <mgedmin> and kvm has the "nice" text effects, *sigh*
[09:56] <darkxst> mgedmin, I can boot any ISO in VMware and it will be fully functional apart from the fancy guest features
[09:56] <darkxst> like autoresize, drag and drop etc
[14:09] <needhelp> Hi everybody, after an update yesterday I can't get my ubuntu to work anymore. It keeps putting me in "low-graphics mode".  I reinstalled fglrx from repo and amd website, reinstalled gdm removed fglrx for xorg driver updated to 3.16.0-29 but nothing is working. I really need some help so I can get to work!
[14:51] <lindol> hi all


[01:23] <Rosie_o_Donnell> need to make a "new user" in user groups, but it isnt letting me.
[01:24] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[01:25] <Rosie_o_Donnell> i just go to add new user and it does nothing
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> Meh....my virtualbox Lubuntu doesn't work...can
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> 't check it for ya...
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> But do you get any error messages?
[01:28] <Rosie_o_Donnell> nope
[01:28] <Rosie_o_Donnell> guessing it has to do with account elevation
[01:29] <MrChrisDruif> Elevation?
[01:33] <Rosie_o_Donnell> yeah like having a custom account instaed of admin
[01:33] <Rosie_o_Donnell> i have gnome so ill probably just do it there. thannks anyway
[06:00] <jmarsden> Is anyone interested in helping me look at / troubleshoot / fix bug #653628 and bug #635698?
[06:55] <bioterror> jmarsden, for the last one there's a fix
[06:56] <bioterror> as you can read from the comments
[06:56] <bioterror> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/635698/comments/6
[06:56] <bioterror> jmarsden, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxdm/+bug/635698/comments/11 even better
[06:57] <jmarsden> I'm verifying that fix, and finding interesting things happening... but yes.  Now read comment #41 :)
[06:58] <jmarsden> It's not that I need a fix for personal use for these issues, I'm trying to get them understood and fixed published in Ubuntu.
[07:01] <bioterror> yep
[07:01] <jmarsden> In particular, I am wondering if it is lxdm that should add a Depends: encryptfs-utils to make the autoremove-removes-things-it-should-not problem.
[07:01] <jmarsden> Or if that Depends should be in some other package.
[07:08] <bioterror> somehow I have a feeling that this whole home directory encryption is like a something made with bubble gum and packaging tape
[07:09] <bioterror> two things I hate: plymouth and this
[07:09] <bioterror> :D
[07:11] <jmarsden> bioterror: I think there are certainly some issues in the home dir encryption stuff.  How many of those are Lubuntu-specific remains to be seen.  But people seem to like and use it, so, we need to try to support it :)  Hating isn't likely to be very productive.
[07:14] <bioterror> I used it with my mint installation, worked fine with 10.04, but when hdd fails, it's PITA to get data out of it
[07:15] <bioterror> I just rm -rf'd the image I made of drive as none of the "guides" didnt seem to get my data out, or maybe I'm just unskilled what comes to decrypting home folders ;)
[07:23] <jmarsden> I've never tried that "for real" but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory#Recovering%20Your%20Data%20Manually looks sane as a starting point.
[07:25] <jmarsden> For these two bugs, I think I'll create a new lxdm package that Depends: encryptfs-utils and see if it fixes them... Julien can then tell me why that's a bad idea later :)
[07:53] <bioterror> :)
[07:53] <bioterror> does gdm depend on it?
[07:54] <bioterror> nope
[08:08] <bioterror> I dont even have in natty ecryptfs-utils
[08:08] <bioterror> haaa
[08:29] <jmarsden> I just created bug #710049 about this, let's see what happens.
[08:33] <jmarsden> bioterror: apt-cache rdepends ecryptfs-utils    gets me adduser in Lucid.  And apt-cache rdepends adduser gets me a *huge* list of packages.  I'll check if that is different in Natty.
[08:34] <bioterror> i just checked apr-cache show lxdm and it wasnt in listing
[08:43] <jmarsden> bioterror: What set of repositories do you have selected? lxdm is in universe
[08:44] <jmarsden> Try    rmadison lxdm
[13:41] <Abram> hi
[13:41] <Abram> bioterror there?
[13:42] <Abram> Since I installed another Distru on my Laptop yesterday GRUB only boots the new Distru and no boot entries for the first Distru are found.  The new Distru uses GRUB1 which shows up when booting, the first distru uses GRUB2. I tried to chainload from GRUB 1 menu.lst the first Distru (hd0,0) but when I click on the title in GRUB1 after booting nothing happens. What should I do now? Editing GRUB2 on sda1(hd0,0) or should I install GRUB2 o
[13:42] <Abram> actuall ony /dev/sda1 is Lubuntu 10.10
[13:43] <Abram> on /dev/sda3 is the new Distru 8.04
[13:45] <MrChrisDruif> Distru? Or Ubuntu 8.04?
[13:46] <Abram> ubuntu 8.03
[13:46] <Abram> *04
[13:46] <MrChrisDruif> Would've been awesome if you found an 8.03 release ;)
[13:47] <Abram> *hehe*
[13:49] <Abram> i already wrote into GRUB1 menu.lst the chianloader
[13:49] <Abram> +1
[13:49] <Abram> which doesnt work tho
[13:49] <Abram> I wonder what I should do now
[13:49] <Abram> maybe install GRUB2 into mbr?
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't know enough about grub, so I don't know if it's okay if you uninstall that grub 1 and that grub2 would be there again....otherwise that would be another option...
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> Installing grub2 on the mbr
[13:50] <MrChrisDruif> It would be able to detect both the distro's installed if I'm not mistaken...
[13:53] <Abram> perfect
[13:53] <Abram> I try this now
[16:31] <esing> hi
[16:34] <esing> MrChrisDruif I didnt succeed with grub2
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> esing: Too bad...
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> So you are also Abram?
[16:34] <esing> I removed grub1 and installed grub2 to ubuntu 8.04
[16:34] <esing> yes
[16:34] <esing> my real name is abram
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> Alright :)
[16:34] <esing> :)
[16:34] <MrChrisDruif> But what happened?
[16:35] <esing> well after i installed grub2 on ubuntu 8.04 i could still only boot from 8.04
[16:35] <esing> then i entered livecd 1010 and installed grub2 again on my first distru 1010 (sda1)
[16:35] <MrChrisDruif> But the Lubuntu install is this installed?
[16:36] <esing> yes
[16:36] <esing> lubuntu 1010 is my first distru
[16:36] <esing> => sda1
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> What was it again: did you try something like grub update in terminal?
[16:36] <esing> after reinstalling grub2 on lubuntu1010 i could only start lubuntu 1010 from bootloader
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> It'll check the disk for installed distros if I'm not mistaken...
[16:36] <esing> yes
[16:37] <esing> sudo update-grub
[16:37] <esing> but it didnt work
[16:37] <MrChrisDruif> That was it....:S
[16:37] <esing> then i tried to install the entries manually
[16:37] <esing> i went to etc/grub.d
[16:37] <esing> and added to 40_custom entries if found in the mounted sda3 (ubuntu 8.04) and added them
[16:38] <esing> then i updated again
[16:38] <esing> but it doesnt show ubuntu 8.04 in bootloader
[16:38] <esing> i can boot only from lubuntu 1010 now
[16:38] <esing> ^
[16:38] <esing> so depressing*g*
[16:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, it is :)
[16:39] <esing> you are the pro :D
[16:39] <MrChrisDruif> I'm just curious, but why did you want to install 8.04? :)
[16:39] <esing> because of a driver i cant run in 1010
[16:40] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....(and I'm not a pro, just trying to help)
[16:41] <esing> hehe
[16:41] <MrChrisDruif> If I was a pro, I would have solved it no prob right? :P
[16:41] <esing> ye you are right ^
[16:41] <esing> maybe we need to contact a pro
[16:41] <esing> isnt bioterror a pro? ^^
[16:44] <MrChrisDruif> There are a lot of people here that know loads more than me, bioterror is one of them...
[16:46] <MrChrisDruif> You could try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html and the second post
[16:53] <esing> rebooting
[20:21] <jmarsden> Anyone know why after an Lubuntu 10.10 install, there is a set of apt autoremovable packages which seems to include things that should not really be autoremoved?  bug #710049
[20:26] <bladethefox> hello
[20:27] <bladethefox> I need help with gtk-recordmydesktop
[20:27] <bladethefox> it won't open
[20:28] <bladethefox> when I go to the menu and click on it it will not open
[20:28] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Can you be more specific?  What are you trying to do with it?  If you run it from a shell prompt (LXterminal) do you get an error message there?
[20:28] <bladethefox> when I click on it on the menu there is a flash then it won't open
[20:29] <bladethefox> and I tried the other options ie.xvidcap, istanbul, ant they will not record sound
[20:31] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Try it from the command line and pase the error message, so we can help you :)
[20:31] <jmarsden> s/pase/paste/
[20:31] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Sounds like a library it needs is missing, or something like that.
[20:32] <bladethefox> bladethefox@bladethefox:~$ gtk-recordmydesktop
[20:32] <bladethefox> gtk-recordmydesktop: command not found
[20:32] <bladethefox> I installed it from the synaptic package manager
[20:33] <bladethefox> xvidcap works but one problem, no sound
[20:34] <bladethefox> same problem with istanbul
[20:38] <jmarsden> bladethefox: OK, I'll try installing it here, don't go away :)
[20:38] <bladethefox> ok thankies
[20:42] <jmarsden> bladethefox: OK, at the command line you need to type    gtk-recordMyDesktop     # with the M and D Upper Case
[20:44] <bladethefox> jamrsden:/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdMonitor.py:10: DeprecationWarning: The popen2 module is deprecated.  Use the subprocess module.
[20:44] <bladethefox>   import popen2
[20:44] <bladethefox> Traceback (most recent call last):
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/bin/gtk-recordMyDesktop", line 43, in <module>
[20:44] <bladethefox>     main()
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/bin/gtk-recordMyDesktop", line 40, in main
[20:44] <bladethefox>     tr=rmdSimple.simpleWidget()
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdSimple.py", line 515, in __init__
[20:44] <bladethefox>     self.trayIcon=trayIcon(self)
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdTrayIcon.py", line 394, in __init__
[20:44] <bladethefox>     self.tray_popup=iTP.TrayPopupMenu(self.parent,self.parent.values,self.optionsOpen)
[20:44] <bladethefox>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/recordMyDesktop/rmdTrayPopup.py", line 51, in __init__
[20:44] <bladethefox>     self.popupmenu_continueitem.hide()
[20:44] <bladethefox> AttributeError: TrayPopupMenu instance has no attribute 'popupmenu_continueitem'
[20:45] <jmarsden> Yow!  OK, now you know what the issue is, at least. What version of gtk-recordMyDesktop did you install and what version of Lubuntu are you running?
[20:46] <bladethefox> lubuntu 10.10 and the gtk-recordmydesktop that is currently in the repositories
[20:47] <jmarsden> Hm.  OK.  I get a bunch of deprecation warnings but it runs, but I'm running Ubuntu 10.04.1 right now.  Time to fire up Lubuntu 10.10 and try it there...
[20:48] <bladethefox> should I get an older release?
[20:50] <jmarsden> Not necessarily... let me test in Lubuntu and see if I can duplicate the issue there.
[20:54] <jmarsden> bladethefox: Ok, I'm seeing the same issue you are seeing.  Looks like gtk-recordmydesktop needs either a newer or older version of some python libraries?  You can try an older version of gtk-recordmydesktop, it might help.
[20:54] <bioterror> !paste | bladethefox
[20:57] <bladethefox> I did mention that xvidcap works but has audio issues
[20:59] <jmarsden> bladethefox: I think I saw an article somewhere about using xvidcap and recording audio separately and combining the audio and video later as a post-processing step...
[21:00] <bladethefox> so I use audacity to record sound and xvidcap to record video then splice them together?
[21:00] <jmarsden> Yes.  See http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Creating_Screencasts   -- old, but the ideas remain valid.
[21:01] <jmarsden> But now I need to go AFK for a while... I'll try to look at the gtk-recordmydesktop issue later if I can.  You might want to file a bug in launchpad about that.
[21:46] <baba> hello there
[21:46] <baba> somebodz at home_
[21:48] <baba> somebodY at home?
[21:49] <bioterror> !ask | baba
[21:49] <baba> i have a problem with installing lubuntu
[21:49] <baba> i installed it, and i dont see the menu
[21:49] <bioterror> somehow I guessed you have a prolem ;)
[21:50] <bioterror> do you see that panel
[21:51] <baba> i onlz can see 2 bottoms wit run and log off
[21:51] <baba> i see the panel
[21:51] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:51] <bioterror> it's lubuntu 10.10?
[21:51] <baba> but onlz 2 tabs there
[21:51] <baba> zes its 10.10
[21:52] <bioterror> hmm
[21:52] <bioterror> alt+f2 and open xterm
[21:52] <bioterror> type:
[21:52] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[21:52] <bioterror> let's make sure you're not missing anything
[21:53] <baba> isnt it inside the package?
[21:53] <bioterror> I want to be sure about this
[21:53] <baba> but it should be inside the installation
[21:54] <baba> when i use live disk its inside
[21:54] <baba> and i dont have a terminal
[21:56] <baba> isnt it inside the ground installation?
[21:56] <bioterror> press alt+f2
[21:56] <bioterror> you get popup window where you type: xterm
[21:56] <bioterror> press enter and you get terminal
[21:57] <baba> ok
[21:57] <baba> now i see the terminal
[21:58] <baba> i am here bY live disk
[21:58] <baba> now
[21:59] <baba> is it normal that i have to install the lubuntu desktop bYmYself?
[22:00] <baba> sorr?, no Y
[22:00] <baba> must copY it from net
[22:00] <bioterror> what
[22:00] <bioterror> you're using livecd instead of real installation
[22:01] <bioterror> szczur, what do you think, should we chroot? ;D
[22:01] <baba> is it usual that i have to install the desktop?
[22:02] <bioterror> as you've noticed, your installation isnt working that well, and we have to ensure that all the packages are there
[22:02] <baba> or should it be installed alreadY?
[22:02] <baba> ok
[22:09] <baba> mabz the problem is that i installed without internet connection?
[22:16] <bioterror> is it?
[22:16] <bioterror> it should not be a prolem
[22:16] <bioterror> but it is suggested
[22:17] <bioterror> as clock is 00:17, I'm about to move to bed as I have to get up around 05:30
[22:17] <bioterror> but I could suggest to try installing it again
[22:18] <baba> i will
[22:18] <bioterror> if it doesnt fix it, then we would like to have you chatting with us from the installation
[22:18] <bioterror> not from livecd
[22:18] <baba> ok
[22:18] <baba> mabz see zou later
[22:18] <bioterror> good night
[22:18] <baba> good night
[23:10] <MrChrisDruif> Sleep well all, I'm off :)


[00:43] <slangasek> SpamapS: so I have an experimental myodbc package now that will build against mysql-5.5 finally
[00:43] <SpamapS> slangasek: !!
[00:43] <SpamapS> slangasek: I've been shunning even looking at that hoping you'd figure it out
[00:43] <slangasek> upon prodding, I've disabled building the testsuite... since we can't run the darn thing anyway at build time :P
[00:44] <slangasek> SpamapS: where did we leave off?  Do I need to sponsor mysql-5.5 in with the _r.so compat fix?
[00:45] <SpamapS> slangasek: for Debian there's additional work needed to push back the stuff I've done for precise.
[00:45] <slangasek> mmk
[00:45] <SpamapS> slangasek: I think actually all of it is legitimate ubuntu-only delta
[00:46] <SpamapS> slangasek: though eventually I'd like to get back in sync.. maybe after precise releases.
[00:46] <SpamapS> slangasek: I am working on preparing 5.1.61 packaging for stable as well.. since we're forced to release that as the security update
[00:47] <SpamapS> slangasek: meanwhile my DD app drips through the process like mollasses on a cold day.
[00:48] <slangasek> heh
[00:50] <broder> from my read of the new livecd-rootfs, it looks like we're not actually using the .iso that live-build generates, but just grabbing the stuff out of binary/ and reusing it somewhere else. is that right?
[00:51] <SpamapS> slangasek: anyway, it would appear that we're down then to just sphinxseach for libmysqlclient..
[00:52] <SpamapS> I believe a new upstream version came out recently that might address the last few issues.
[00:52] <slangasek> broder: yes, we feed live-build artifacts into debian-cd so it can stick a germinated archive on the side
[00:52] <slangasek> SpamapS: ah, ok
[00:53] <slangasek> SpamapS: as for nis, I've dropped a comment on bug #569757... wondering what you think we should do
[00:54] <slangasek> (looking for feedback before I upload this to precise, since if you don't want us to go this route, it makes the SRU upgrade path harder)
[00:55] <SpamapS> slangasek: reviewing
[00:58] <SpamapS> slangasek: just a thought that I keep having.. we should look at patching portmap/rpcbind to use 'start on socket' in the next release. It would make this *much* simpler.
[00:59] <SpamapS> slangasek: same goes for the NFS jobs too.. no more ON_BOOT thingy
[00:59] <slangasek> the NFS stuff isn't going to be that easy
[00:59] <slangasek> in part because it has to wait for /usr
[01:00] <slangasek> I suppose it shouldn't hurt to make portmap 'start on socket'
[01:00] <SpamapS> slangasek: ugh.. I just noticed.. upstart-socket-bridge isn't really built in.. so we'd have to start on started that anyway.. argh.
[01:00] <slangasek> hah
[01:01] <SpamapS> was that one of those TODO's still left on Keybuk's plate?
[01:01] <slangasek> I don't know
[01:01] <SpamapS> Seems like upstart is already watching a few sockets.. :-P
[01:01] <broder> i think it was deliberate that the socket bridge live as a separate binary
[01:01] <broder> you shouldn't have to wait for the socket bridge to start though
[01:02] <broder> err, the thing that wanted to use the socket would have to, though
[01:02] <SpamapS> broder: right, thats the point
[01:02] <slangasek> yes, and that's exactly what has to wait on portmap now :)
[01:02] <slangasek> SpamapS: I'm guessing this was an overlooked bug
[01:02]  * broder promises to stop jumping in mid-conversation without thinking for at *least* the next 5 minutes
[01:03] <SpamapS> :)
[01:03] <SpamapS> broder: at least you *thought* at one point. :)
[01:03] <SpamapS> I'm having a harder and harder time doing that today..
[01:04] <SpamapS> slangasek: your loop in the ypbind post-start hits a bug I recently discovered in polling post-starts ..
[01:04] <slangasek> oh?
[01:04] <SpamapS> slangasek: mysql had it too. If the job respawns or is stopped .. the polling doesn't stop.
[01:04] <slangasek> hmm, I think there's a bug report for that already
[01:05] <slangasek> possibly from you
[01:05] <SpamapS> slangasek: but the respawn doesn't actually get tried until post-start exits
[01:05] <SpamapS> slangasek: yeah there is
[01:05] <SpamapS> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/precise/mysql-5.5/precise/revision/16
[01:05] <SpamapS> bug 711635
[01:06] <SpamapS> slangasek: in the workaround.. you have to drop the respawn limit lower.. because that sleep 1 always gets hit at least one time
[01:06] <slangasek> ah, I meant an open bug on upstart
[01:07] <SpamapS> slangasek: 711635 is also against upstart :)
[01:07] <slangasek> ah right
[01:09] <SpamapS> I don't actually know what upstart should do.. but its definitely confusing the way it works right now.
[01:09] <SpamapS> I'm kind of hoping the 'expect exit' stuff will do away with most of the times where people use post-start to poll like that.
[01:09] <slangasek> oh hah, yes, this is the bit where it will never *hit* the respawn limit because the post-start script takes too long, blah
[01:09] <slangasek> well, none of the usual 'expect's work for ypbind
[01:09] <slangasek> it daemonizes and then goes looking for a directory source
[01:09] <SpamapS> heh, so it also has races already?
[01:10] <slangasek> built in
[01:10] <slangasek> this post-start is copied from the init script
[01:10] <SpamapS> slangasek: are we in danger of breaking shutdown for some daemons by stopping on runlevel [!2345] ?
[01:11] <SpamapS> slangasek: like if a daemon needs to lookup users to run its shutdown..  would we be breaking it?
[01:13] <slangasek> potentially, but that's not a regression vs. pre-lucid or debian so I figured I'd let someone else sort that out
[01:15] <SpamapS> slangasek: agreed. Other than the looping bug I'd say this is good to go.
[01:16] <slangasek> ok
[01:16] <slangasek> looking to see if there's a way I can make the post-start fail faster in the case where ypbind isn't running
[01:17] <SpamapS> slangasek: well you could actually check for respawn before the check for the socket....
[01:17] <SpamapS> slangasek: that would give a better chance at hitting the default 10 respawns in 5 seconds limit
[02:25] <slangasek> SpamapS: hmm? how would I check for respawn within the script?
[04:43] <pitti> Good morning
[04:57] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[05:54] <pitti> stgraber: accepting ltsp-cluster-agent for now, but please convert to dh_python2; it currently b-deps on pycentral, although I'm not sure that it actually uses that
[07:10] <SpamapS> slangasek: status shows it as a status.. start/respawn
[07:28] <slangasek> SpamapS: hmm?  how are you forcing it to respawn, just killing the process?
[07:31] <SpamapS> slangasek: if the process dies, upstart notes that and marks state as "respawn".. but it does not do another state transition until the post-start exits
[07:31] <slangasek> SpamapS: sure - you're seeing this in the wild, or you're testing it by killing the process?
[07:31] <SpamapS> slangasek: so in post-start at any time you can see if the process has died and is going to be respawned, and react
[07:31] <SpamapS> slangasek: I saw this with mysql when it had an invalid configuration
[07:31] <slangasek> oh, you're responding to my earlier question, aren't you :)
[07:32] <slangasek> right, so we could call status to get the info, cool
[07:32] <SpamapS> slangasek: mysql already does this to hasten the reaction time to horribly broken mysql configs
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[07:44] <dholbach> geser's merge of vim seems to have been rejected and I can't find an explanation in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-archive/2012-February/thread.html or in the mail I received
[07:45] <pitti> dholbach: there is one in unapproved: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1
[07:45] <dholbach> aha
[07:45] <dholbach> thanks pitti
[07:46] <micahg> dholbach: there was a sacrilegious removal of a sentimental comment apparently :)
[07:46] <dholbach> :-)
[07:54] <dholbach> pitti, do you think you could move libquvi-scripts to main, so we can get libquvi to build?
[07:54] <pitti> dholbach: I just did
[07:54] <dholbach> ah, sweet :)
[09:23] <geser> dholbach: see this channel around 23:00 (local time), infinity had feelings about the removed changelog entries and re-uploaded my vim merge with complete changelog
[09:25] <geser> dholbach: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/27/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t20:27 and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/02/27/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t22:25
[09:49] <dholbach> geser, ok, I see
[10:03] <AnAnt> Hello, Debian has a new revision of fribidi which is multi-arch enabled (it should be in testing within a day or two), would it be possible to sync it after beta release ?
[10:04] <tumbleweed> AnAnt: file an FFe
[10:04] <AnAnt> ok
[10:04] <tumbleweed> there are a fair number of reverse-depends, you'll need to check that they don't have hardcoded paths
[10:16] <jokerdino> hey devs, just a question regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usermode/+bug/602680
[10:17] <jokerdino> the original assignee has gone awol for quite some time. and I don't mind fixing it. anything that i can do about that?
[10:49] <dholbach> Laney, goocanvas and gda bindings are in now - it looks like the way is clear to get glom in again too
[10:50] <dholbach> I'm going to be a busy in the next days - do you think either you or seb128 could take a look at the current package in the openismus ppa?
[11:11] <pitti> Laney: btw, now would be an excellent time to start a haskell transition -- all buildds are idling
[11:34] <Laney> dholbach: nice, will see if I can get time but others are more than free to do it
[11:35] <Laney> pitti: aye, now would be good indeed to get ghc itself built in time for freeze ending
[11:35] <Laney> iulian is going to do the ghc upload
[11:44] <seb128> Laney, seems you are busy, I will try to have a look, ping me before looking at it in case you do so we don't dup work
[11:44] <seb128> dholbach, ^
[11:44] <janimo`> micahg, chrisccoulson hi, is either of you looking at the armhf chromium ftbfs?
[11:47] <ogra_> janimo`, i think micahg and infinity looked into it recently, seems to be a multiarch/naming issue
[11:47] <ogra_> not sure thesy came to any result, i just saw them discussion the issue
[11:47] <ogra_> *discussing
[11:47] <janimo`> ogra_, ok, indeed looks like an include path not being set to the gnueabihf dir
[11:48] <ogra_> if you have a quick fix, please go ahead ;)
[11:48] <janimo`> no idea if the fix sits committed somewhere though.
[11:48]  * ogra_ thinks then we would have also seen an upload
[11:48] <janimo`> no quick fix, just wondering whether I should start investigating myself, there's no bug discussion
[11:49] <ogra_> i think they planned to revisit it after B1
[11:51]  * dholbach hugs seb128 and Laney
[11:52]  * seb128 hugs back
[12:33] <jokerdino> hmm guys is branching from lp:gedit same as lp:lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gedit/ubuntu
[12:33] <jokerdino> ?
[12:33] <seb128> jokerdino, no
[12:33] <seb128> lp:gedit is an upstream import of full source without packaging
[12:33] <jokerdino> i see.
[12:33] <seb128> lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gedit/ubuntu is the packaging vcs which contains de debian dir only
[12:34] <jokerdino> so, if i want to submit a patch, i will be using the ubuntu-desktop branch..
[12:34] <jokerdino> what if ubuntu is the main stream?
[12:35] <jokerdino> (for software-center, unity, etc)
[12:37] <seb128> jokerdino, you usually want to use debcheckout
[12:37] <seb128> jokerdino, or apt-get source
[12:37] <seb128> jokerdino, i.e
[12:37] <seb128> $ apt-get source gedit
[12:37] <seb128> ...
[12:37] <seb128> NOTICE: 'gedit' packaging is maintained in the 'Bzr' version control system at:
[12:37] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gedit/ubuntu
[12:38] <jokerdino> ah, i have been doing this incorrectly the whole time :/
[12:38] <seb128> jokerdino, the "standard" location for packages is ubuntu:<source> but if there a vcs in the control you should use this one
[12:38] <seb128> debcheckout has this logic and should give you the right source
[12:40] <jokerdino> hmm, thanks!
[12:40] <jokerdino> so, if i want to patch something, how do i proceed?
[12:40] <seb128> jokerdino, desktop thing?
[12:41] <seb128> jokerdino, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr
[12:41] <jokerdino> i proposed a patch for gedit quicklist earlier.
[12:41] <jokerdino> i branched from lp:gedit and made the changes by branching locally and deriving a diff file
[12:41] <seb128> jokerdino, basically bzr get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/gedit/ubuntu; cd ubuntu; bzr bd-do; edit patch; exit 0
[12:42] <jokerdino> and then i attached the patch to the bug report.
[12:42] <seb128> jokerdino, you can just add a debdiff or diff to a bug if you prefer
[12:42] <seb128> that works fine
[12:42] <seb128> jokerdino, I put those patches review on hold since we are frozen for beta1 and we need to sort of some details on those unity list instructions
[12:43] <seb128> jokerdino, especially we need to sort out what's the standard wording we want and a minor detail with the syntax, I will review your patch in a few days
[12:43] <jokerdino> ah, cool.
[12:43] <seb128> jokerdino, sorry about that, we noticed some issues in consistency when we started reviewing patches, especially on capitalization of the text used
[12:44] <seb128> so we need to sort those out before merging in
[12:44] <jokerdino> i am fine, either way.
[12:44] <jokerdino> and, one small addition.
[12:45] <jokerdino> custom groups in a desktop file should have a X- in front. please do update the unity quicklist api..
[12:45] <seb128> jokerdino, yeah, sorry, the syntax is about to change, I will fix those when merging
[12:46] <seb128> jokerdino, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/LauncherAPI?action=diff&rev2=32&rev1=31
[12:46] <seb128> jokerdino, the wiki got updated yesterday
[12:46] <jokerdino> oh awesome, i didn't check it yet.
[12:47] <seb128> jokerdino, it's an accepted xdg spec now, and the syntax has changed a bit, the code supports both though
[12:48] <jokerdino> well yeah the code supports both, but desktop-file-validate invalidates it, as you pointed out in the bug report.
[12:48] <jokerdino> X-Ayatana-Desktop-Shortcuts=X-Screen;X-Window
[12:48] <jokerdino> [X-Screen Shortcut Group]
[12:48] <seb128> jokerdino, right, using the updated way should work fine
[12:48] <jokerdino> should be like that ^
[12:48] <seb128> ie with action groups
[12:51] <jokerdino> so, the proposed way is to do like [Desktop Action Screen], right?
[12:52] <jokerdino> i mean recommended, not proposed.
[12:52] <seb128> jokerdino, yes, what the current wiki describe
[12:58] <jokerdino> seb128: there should be a colon (;) after the last Actions entry.
[12:58] <seb128> jokerdino, thanks, it's a wiki feel free to add it
[12:59] <seb128> i.e you can probably edit the page ;-)
[12:59] <jokerdino> Heh :)
[13:01] <jokerdino> wiki has been updated.
[13:01] <jokerdino> (by adding a single character)
[13:02] <jokerdino> should I then proceed to update my patch?
[13:02] <seb128> jokerdino, yes ;-)
[13:17] <jokerdino> cheers seb128, patch has been updated.
[13:17] <jokerdino> and i have removed the older patches.
[13:17] <seb128> jokerdino, thanks, I will review it a bit later
[13:41] <doko> zul, python-tz tries to test the installed pytz, ... and ftbfs ...
[13:42] <zul> doko: ok ill have a look
[13:59] <larsduesing> Hi together
[14:00] <larsduesing> Short question, how to get a patch I wrote and put to a ppa into ubuntu?
[14:01] <larsduesing> (I think I made some error in launchpad...)
[14:01] <larsduesing> (hopefully, this is the right place...)
[14:02] <ScottK> barry: Would you have time to look at Bug 942408?
[14:03] <ScottK> larsduesing: File a bug (or find an existing one), attach the patch to it, and then subscribe the ubuntu-sponsors team to the bug.  Someone will review it for inclusion.
[14:03] <larsduesing> ah...
[14:03] <larsduesing> thanks ScottK ... #223825
[14:04] <larsduesing> Oh.. 223825 is the bug
[14:04] <larsduesing> (i made it fix released
[14:04] <larsduesing> in error...
[14:05] <larsduesing> hmm... ubottu is not liking me..
[14:05] <apw> jodh, wondering what inotify events upstart uses to monitor its configurations
[14:05] <ScottK> larsduesing: I moved it back to Triaged.
[14:06] <brendand> bug 223825
[14:08] <larsduesing> thanks ScottK
[14:08] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[14:09] <larsduesing> ah you have to add bug in front of the number to get ubottu like you... *learn*
[14:10] <jodh> apw: (IN_CREATE | IN_DELETE | IN_CLOSE_WRITE| IN_MOVE | IN_MOVE_SELF)
[14:11] <apw> jodh, against /etc/init ?
[14:12] <jodh> apw: yes.
[14:16] <stgraber> pitti: thanks
[14:17] <stgraber> highvoltage: saw pitti's comment above on ltsp-cluster-agent* and pycentral?
[14:21] <highvoltage> stgraber: I have now. I was planning on doing that a few weeks back but got hasty when feature freeze approached. (I uploaded them 8s before FF). I can still fix that, right?
[14:29] <barry> ScottK: sure
[14:31] <ScottK> barry: Thanks.
[14:43] <pitti> highvoltage: yes, of course
[14:47] <stgraber> highvoltage: yes, though you may need a FFe for that (easy one to get though) as changing the build system may trigger side effects
[14:47] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok
[14:48] <pitti> is it using pycentral anyway?
[14:48] <pitti> debian/rules had no indication of this
[14:48] <pitti> it might just be an obsolete build depends
[14:50] <stgraber> pitti: I'd have to look at exactly what highvoltage uploaded as I believe he made some changes on my initial packaging. ltsp-cluster-agent definitely ships a python module so it might be using pycentral (was using python-support before) and would need a switch to dh_python2 if that's the case. ltsp-cluster-agent-weblive just ships a bunch of files, no python modules so shouldn't need pycentral/pysupport anyway.
[14:51] <stgraber> (ouch, that was a long line, wondering if it got cut...)
[14:53] <highvoltage> it seems to have made it. last part was "pycentral/pysupport anyway."
[15:21] <barry> is anybody look at the python-tz ftbfs? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/94621468/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.python-tz_2011k-0ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:29] <ScottK> barry: zul is supposed to look into it.
[15:29] <barry> ScottK, zul: okay
[15:55] <siretart> Is the beta freeze a soft freeze or are all uploads moderated? I've prepared a fix for lightdm and would like to upload it to the archive. I'm OK for it to hit the archive after beta release
[15:59] <ogra_> siretart, all uploads are moderated atm. and i'm not sure putting lightdm into the queue would be a clever thing, in the case wheer we might find a serious bug during testing in lightdm your upload would have to be recected before the fix goes in if we dont want it on the image
[16:00] <ogra_> siretart, but better ask the release manager :) (skaet) in #ubuntu-release
[16:01] <seb128> siretart, what fix?
[16:01] <skaet> siretart, its a hard freeze - we're only letting release critical fixes through for the seeded images.
[16:01] <seb128> siretart, better to get review for lightdm changes, it's not like we didn't have active maintainers
[16:21] <siretart> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/877766
[16:21] <siretart> the patch is obvious, and I have personally tested it on a spare machine at our lab
[16:22] <siretart> and we really should SRU that patch
[16:22] <siretart> the patch is in the linked bzr branch
[16:22] <seb128> siretart, can you put a merge request against lp:lightdm on? I mentioned that to robert_ancell before and he looked at it but I think he had some concerns
[16:23] <seb128> siretart, or it was breaking some tests in the testsuit
[16:23] <seb128> he said he needed to do some work before landing it I think
[16:23] <siretart> seb128: is having the patch as quilt in my packaging branch a problem for requesting a merge for lp:lightdm?
[16:24] <seb128> siretart, yes, can you bzr branch lp:lightdm, apply you patch, bzr commit, bzr push lp:~sirestart/lightdm/nfs and propose it for merging?
[16:24] <seb128> siretart, I'm not sure robert_ancell keeps up with bug emails, he does with merge requests though
[16:24] <siretart> how annoying :/
[16:24] <siretart> I'll put that on my todo list
[16:37] <seb128> siretart, it's not that hard...
[16:37] <seb128> siretart, I will ping him again about the patch
[16:37] <seb128> siretart, but I'm sure review would be easier in a merge request
[16:39] <siretart> let's please don't argue about necessary or silly burocracy
[16:40] <seb128> siretart, it's not "silly burocracy"
[16:40] <seb128> siretart, it's "people don't keep up with thousand of bug emails a week so don't see your comments"
[17:02] <Sweetshark> dammit launchpad! *shaking-angry-grandpa-fist*
[17:03] <Sweetshark> how do I get rid of this stupid duplicate libreoffice (openSUSE) tracker on bug 562027
[17:03] <Sweetshark> ?
[17:04] <ScottK> Sweetshark: I think you want #launchpad.
[17:05] <ScottK> siretart: I'd upload it, but I'm not a fan of silly bureaucray either.
[17:06] <stgraber> Sweetshark: so you want to drop the opensuse task entirely?
[17:08] <Sweetshark> stgraber: at least get rid of the duplicate tracked bug at freedesktop ...
[17:10] <Sweetshark> stgraber: funny thing is: there is a minus button behind almost all the other remote trackers, but not behind baltix and opensuse ....
[17:11] <stgraber> Sweetshark: hmm, yeah, the UI is confusing and forcing it gives me a LP oops ... you'll need #launchpad
[17:45] <ScottK> Anyone having trouble with pbuilder on a oneiric host system.  With --debug, I get "ignoring trap saveaptcache_umountproc_cleanbuildplace_trap exit sighup"
[17:45] <ScottK> (right before it dies with E: Invalide operation)
[18:10] <smoser> slangasek, bug 942788
[18:11] <smoser> slangasek, your hunch on --no-reread is correct. sfdisk is broken-by-design if udev is running and you do not pass --no-reread.
[18:12] <smoser> infinity, ^
[18:12] <slangasek> smoser: does this affects disks other than vda?
[18:12] <smoser> if you're using sfdisk, you need to be using --no-reread.
[18:12] <smoser> slangasek, yes.
[18:12] <slangasek> interesting
[18:12] <smoser> theres a shell snippet in the bug there.
[18:12] <smoser> just run that somewhere and it will fail eventually.
[18:12] <infinity> smoser: I wonder if we're using no-reread in jasper because we ran into that problem, or by sheer luck of cargo-culting from elsewhere. :P
[18:12] <infinity> smoser: And as I mentioned yesterday, we're using no-reread already. :)
[18:12] <smoser> ah.
[18:13] <slangasek> smoser: oh, but your snippet uses /dev/vdb ;)  My question is, does this affect other storage backends or is there something about this driver (virtio?) causing the issue
[18:14] <smoser> slangasek, i think its all backends.
[18:14] <slangasek> tested though?
[18:14] <smoser> (i thought your question about vda was "root")
[18:14] <smoser> well, smb has seen it on xvdb
[18:14] <slangasek> ok
[18:14] <smoser> err.. a xenblock device.
[18:14] <smoser> its very clearly broken.
[18:15] <smoser> basically: blockdev --rereadpt; blockdev --rereadpt;
[18:15] <smoser> the second one is almost certain to fail at some point.
[18:16] <smoser> i dont have a non-virtual system with an un-used block device or i would test
[18:17] <slangasek> smoser: could you do one more test and capture 'udevadm monitor -e' output while you're running sfdisk?
[18:20] <smb> Given that there will be an event for each partition and the main device for remove and then for each partition and the main device after scanning, it could be "worse" the more partitions there are...
[18:21] <slangasek> smoser: n/m, found a usb stick here to test with - confirmed that I get change events on reread even when there are no changes to the table
[18:21] <slangasek> so yeah, it's universal
[18:22] <smb> slangasek, Right, this is not intelligent, it just drops all knowledge and re-iterates
[18:22] <smoser> slangasek, attached to bug.
[18:23] <smoser> slangasek, smb, thank you both for your help.
[18:26]  * smoser goes to fix bug 937352 the right way
[18:29] <smoser> smb, so what do we think about the 'udevadm settle' that we added to growroot before invoking growpart (which in turn invokes sfdisk)
[18:29] <smoser> after the disk is mounted, do we think we need that settle?
[18:30] <smoser> or do we think, since a partition on $DEV has been mounted, that udev events related to it have been finished.
[18:30] <smoser> i guess it might just be safest to leave it there.
[18:30] <smb> smoser, Well, I think it jsut should not hurt much and at least helps to ensure anything that began before has sort of quieted down
[18:30] <smoser> yeah.
[19:02] <kklimonda> is there something in debian policy preventing packages from shipping scripts that meddle with files in /usr/share (creating new ones) in the directories owned by those packages?
[19:02] <kklimonda> for some reason I don't like it ;)
[19:04] <kklimonda> (freeipa server install script configures apache to use /usr/share/ipa/wsgi.py which will serve a custom html file (and some other things)
[19:11] <slangasek> kklimonda: the FHS says /usr is for static files; scripts generating data there are generally non-compliant
[19:21] <iulian> pitti, Laney: Do you want me to upload GHC now? I have it ready, just need to push the button and fire the missiles.
[19:52] <iulian> We'd have to apply the two patches from http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5824 in order to fix the arm{el,hf} build failures.
[20:07] <micahg> janimo`: no, I don't have a fix, if you have one verified, I'm happy to commit it an upload (chromium is seeded in mythbuntu and lubuntu though, so we'd have to be sure that it builds and won't affect the other archs)
[21:00] <janimo`> micahg, no fix here. I touched chromium only once before and its build system is not the easiest to grok. No idea where the cflags are figured out
[21:02] <micahg> janimo`: should be in the gyp files, unfortunately, I have more pressing things to look at ATM, I can poke Debian's build to see if they have a fix (but  don't remember seeing one)
[21:02] <janimo`> micahg, I did not see one either in debian, no prob though
[21:02] <micahg> janimo`: will multiarch allow you to run the armel builds for now?
[21:02] <janimo`> yes
[21:03] <micahg> \o/ progress :)
[21:03] <janimo`> you mean armel chromium on armhf right?
[21:03] <micahg> yes :)
[21:03] <janimo`> then s/yes/probably/. Never tested :)
[21:04] <micahg> I wish armel would build on the stable releases, but that's another story :)
[21:04] <janimo`> I do not particularly need chromium on armhf now, just going through the FTBFS
[21:04] <micahg> janimo`: you have time to bootstrap gnat-4.6? :D
[21:05]  * janimo` runs away in horror
[21:05] <janimo`> infinity is the masochistic one, he should do it
[21:05] <micahg> wow, something more scary than chromium's build system :)
[21:19] <smoser> stgraber, hallyn how bad is this:
[21:19] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/861085/
[21:20] <smoser> should i even bother checking /proc/1/cgroup ?
[21:20] <smoser> i realize its very limited
[21:21] <hallyn> smoser: well, you might do that *after* the other checks.  i.e. if running-in-container is available, use it.
[21:21] <hallyn> if it isn't available,
[21:21] <hallyn> then chances are init hasn't moved itself toanother cgroup
[21:21] <smoser> k
[21:21] <stgraber> hallyn: +1
[21:21] <hallyn> that's not to say initramfs couldn't be messing with you, so it's not 100%
[21:22] <hallyn> systemd moves itself to /systemd very early on
[21:22] <hallyn> (i think.  maybe not.  maybe it just sets it up for user sessions)
[21:23] <smoser> hallyn,
[21:23] <smoser> i just created a container
[21:23] <smoser> logged in with ubuntu ubuntu
[21:23] <smoser> and then tried sudo
[21:23] <smoser> oh..
[21:23] <smoser> and its prompting me for a password
[21:23] <smoser> (i justrealized i had a password)
[21:23] <smoser> duh
[21:24] <infinity> micahg, janimo`: gnat's being worked on.
[21:25] <micahg> infinity: ah, good :)
[21:39] <doko> infinity, if you build gnat for armhf, you might want to disable multilibs
[21:45] <elmo> where do the modules in a d-i rescuse environment come from?
[21:45] <elmo> and are any more available?
[21:49] <elmo> hmm *-modules-* udebs, butthey're not in Contents
[21:51] <infinity> elmo: They're in main/debian-installer/binary-*/Packages*, I assume.
[21:52] <elmo> infinity: sure, but not the individual files
[21:52] <infinity> Oh, no.
[21:52] <elmo> but a for loop and dpkg -c confirms ipmi isn't any of them
[21:52] <Daviey> elmo: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/udeb.list ?
[21:52] <elmo> what would be the right package for a bug asking for new modules?  the kernel?
[21:52] <infinity> elmo: If it's kernel modules you're after, yeah.
[21:52] <elmo> infinity: cool, thanks
[21:53] <elmo> Daviey: ta also
[22:02] <bryceh> elmo, can you give me `lspci -vn | grep VGA` on the box you saw the compiz crash on a couple hours ago?  want to verify this is sandybridge specific
[22:04] <elmo> 00:02.0 0300: 8086:0126 (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[22:04] <elmo> bryceh: ^--
[22:04] <elmo> bryceh: deej (Canonical) also saw it, FWIW
[22:05] <bryceh> elmo, thanks.  snb-m-gt2+ in your case
[22:05] <bryceh> elmo, also was this with a dual head or external monitor set up by chance?
[22:06] <elmo> bryceh: nope, vanilla laptop display
[22:06] <bryceh> hmm!  interesting
[22:06] <bryceh> elmo, ok thanks.
[22:06] <elmo> bryceh: no prob
[22:15] <mahmoh> are armhf precise containers working? What I'm doing wrong?  If I enter the container it appears to work fine but I'm trying to execute commands externally to get info. from within - http://paste.ubuntu.com/861153/
[22:19] <stgraber> mahmoh: lxc-attach isn't supported by our kernel
[22:19] <stgraber> mahmoh: and lxc-execute is only for single application container, not for system containers
[22:20] <stgraber> mahmoh: in your case you'll want "lxc-console -n <container>" then login and run whatever you want
[22:20] <mahmoh> stgraber: ok, thank you for that info.; is there a plan to support -attach or no?
[22:21] <mahmoh> stgraber: and shouldn't it emit a message like, unsupported kernel feature?
[22:21] <stgraber> mahmoh: we're waiting on the patches to enter the upstream kernel, so that won't be there for 12.04 at least
[22:21] <mahmoh> Daniel's patches?
[22:22] <stgraber> mahmoh: hallyn is working on the new server guide which will mention what commands work and what don't and why, I agree lxc-attach could print something slightly more useful though :)
[22:22] <mahmoh> stgraber: :) thx again
[22:22] <stgraber> mahmoh: yeah, IIRC the pid_ns attach patch is a patch from Daniel and reworked by Eric Biederman
[22:24] <stgraber> mahmoh: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/ebiederm/linux-namespace-control-devel.git;a=summary
[22:24] <mahmoh> I saw that for Natty and just imagined it would have been in by now
[22:27] <mahmoh> stgraber: btw, thx for that blog post earlier this month ;)
[23:21] <elmo> bryceh: I have an up to date stacktrace in #942799 but the duplicate checker deleted all the data :)
[23:21] <elmo> bryceh: is there any easy way for me to re-submit the data?
[23:23] <seb128> elmo, tag the "master" bug "apport-request-retrace"
[23:23] <seb128> elmo, that will make the retracer attach the stacktrace of the next duplicate to the master rather than clean it
[23:23] <bryceh> seb128, that was already done
[23:23] <seb128> elmo, well tag the master and then resubmit
[23:23] <seb128> bryceh, and it didn't work?
[23:24] <bryceh> checking
[23:24] <bryceh> doesn't look like it
[23:24] <seb128> bryceh, elmo's bug was retraced before you tagged
[23:24] <seb128> elmo, can you resubmit it?
[23:24] <bryceh> ah
[23:25] <elmo> seb128: as in, just rerun apport and open a new bug?
[23:25] <seb128> elmo, yes
[23:25] <elmo> cool, will do
[23:26] <elmo> thanks
[23:26] <seb128> elmo, the master bug got tagged so next retrace will be attached rather than cleaned
[23:26] <seb128> elmo, thank you
[23:26] <bryceh> seb128, is this a changed behavior?  Seems like it used to do retracing on dupes too, but am I just remembering wrong?
[23:26] <seb128> bryceh, you are remembering wrong
[23:26] <seb128> bryceh, we can't make apport retracing public without checking for password etc
[23:27] <seb128> bryceh, so duplicates always got cleaned and set to public
[23:27] <elmo> damn, apport-bug's tab complete is hella slow
[23:28] <seb128> bryceh, it's not ideal but the alternative is to get somebody to manually review all the duplicates to mark them public if appropriate
[23:28] <seb128> which is often tedious and not that useful
[23:29] <elmo> should I retarget this at mesa?
[23:29] <elmo> it's trying to report it against unity
[23:29] <seb128> elmo, no
[23:29] <elmo> (sorry for all the dumb questions)
[23:29] <elmo> ok
[23:29] <seb128> elmo, worth case it doesn't dup it and you get a new stacktrace anyway :p
[23:30] <bryceh> actually targeting at mesa would be nice; it would collect a lot of the missing X files we're currently missing on this one
[23:31] <elmo> doh
[23:31] <elmo> bryceh: what files do you want?  I'll just add them by hand
[23:31] <seb128> bryceh, I don't think you can do that for segfaults
[23:31] <elmo> ah, I see in your reply to salgado
[23:31] <elmo> adding
[23:31] <seb128> bryceh, like you can change the component once you are on launchpad but that will not change the collecting job
[23:32] <seb128> bryceh, it always collects the infos for the package which did hit the segfault
[23:33] <bryceh> elmo, yep, thanks
[23:34] <bryceh> seb128, you keep making me sadder ;-)
[23:34] <seb128> bryceh, sorry :(
[23:34] <seb128> bryceh, good news is that apport is open source and the maintainer is responsive so we can get it improved ;-)
[23:35] <bryceh> seb128, well seems you're right about dupe crashes having their useful info excised, now that I look.  Probably I'm thinking of gpu lockup bugs where we collect register dumps (that won't ever have passwords or other such stuff.)
[23:36] <bryceh> seb128, that is cold comfort; from what you say most of these issues are policy not lack-of-fix
[23:36] <seb128> bryceh, well that's why we got that tag telling the retracer to get an updated stacktrace
[23:37] <seb128> that should cover most cases, like if you care about the bug it's likely because users still hit it
[23:37] <bryceh> seb128, but yes it's open source.  I've sent in a patch to fix one of our more annoying issues we see but am still waiting (for some months) on the branch to get picked up.
[23:38] <bryceh> seb128, yes, it's good to know about that tag.
[23:38] <seb128> bryceh, on apport?
[23:38] <bryceh> seb128, yeah
[23:38] <seb128> bryceh, https://code.launchpad.net/~bryce/apport/source_lookup/+merge/81172 ?
[23:38] <seb128> bryceh, pitti wrong a long reply, it seems blocked on you to write back ?
[23:39] <bryceh> seb128, no, I spoke to him in person about it at UDS
[23:39] <seb128> oh ok
[23:39] <bryceh> guess it can't hurt to add a comment though.
[23:40] <elmo> bryceh: added to 942966
[23:44] <bryceh> elmo,  thanks.  lp isn't displaying it, but will try again in a bit
[23:45] <elmo> bryceh: meh, publicized
[23:45] <seb128> bryceh, elmo: it's private until retracer picks it up
[23:45] <bryceh> bingo, there we go
[23:46] <bryceh> hoho, and a core dump!  lucky day
[23:46] <seb128> bryceh, get the coredump saved before the retracer gets there if you need it ;-)
[23:47] <elmo> I'd only just booted my machine, there can't possibly be anything interesting in that coredump
[23:47] <elmo> (that would require privacy I mean)
[23:56] <bryceh> seb128, trust me, I know
[23:57] <bryceh> elmo, I have it locally and will not be posting it anywhere.
[23:57] <bryceh> (and it will be deleted when I'm done with it)
[23:59] <seb128> bryceh, elmo: retracing done, it updated the master bug as wanted: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/94731013/Stacktrace.txt


[00:01] <Kumool> probably not then
[00:02] <Kumool> go with the recommended things
[00:02] <Kumool> s/things/options/
[00:06] <noob> no one else is talking haha so weird
[00:07] <noob> how do I check to see if specs are reading properly on xubuntu ?
[00:10] <Kumool> lspci?
[00:12] <noob> what is the default terminal command keyboard shortcut ?
[00:13] <Kumool> in xfce?
[00:13] <noob> yup
[00:13] <Kumool> windows key+t
[00:15] <noob> how do i see if ram is being read ?
[00:15] <noob> I do not see it from that cmd
[00:15] <Kumool> lol
[00:15] <Kumool> oh, you want to know how much ram is in use?
[00:16] <noob> yes
[00:16] <Kumool> vmstat
[00:17] <Kumool> vmstat -w for readable output
[00:17] <Kumool> but its better to use top
[00:17] <Kumool> or htop
[00:17] <Kumool> default xubuntu comes with a taskmanager
[00:19] <noob> vmstat -s
[00:19] <noob> does it
[00:20] <Kumool> theres a panel plugin with sensors and stuff
[00:26] <noob> nothing is loading up in the software app
[00:26] <noob> wtf
[00:28] <Kumool> wait
[00:28] <Kumool> or...
[00:28] <Kumool> install synaptic
[00:29] <Kumool> welcome to linux, where everything barely works
[00:29] <noob> what is the cmd ?
[00:30] <Kumool> sudo apt install synaptic
[00:31] <noob> should have guess ahhah
[00:31] <noob> appeciate the help
[00:32] <Kumool> i'm pretty sure if a command fails it even suggests how to install it
[00:32] <Kumool> no worries, its not like i have better things to do
[00:33] <noob> what does this do ? haha yeah as name suggest still new
[00:56] <Kumool> mm
[00:56] <Kumool> what?
[00:56] <Kumool> aw, left
[00:56] <Kumool> oh well
[03:02] <Draconiator> hey , is Xubuntu usually sensitive to the machine state?  I'm running it on a virtual machine right now to prepare an installation to clone to an 8GB SSD when it comes in, and it always comes up with a "System Error Detected" when I get to the desktop if I just close the window.
[09:56] <knome> ochosi, they said 17.10 which got me extra interested..
[10:22] <tem> Hello?
[11:03] <IhrFussel> Would you recommend upgrading to 18.04 at release day? Do you think it will be stable enough by then?
[11:04] <cfhowlett> why
[11:04] <cfhowlett> wait for 18.4.1 IMHO
[11:06] <IhrFussel> I'd honestly rather want an up-to-date system earlier than approx July
[11:07] <cfhowlett> your box, your choice.  but it's not like 16.04 will suddenly break just because there's a new release
[11:08] <cfhowlett> I wait for xx.1 because it captures the first round of bug fixes.
[11:08] <IhrFussel> I'm on 16.04 rigth now and kernel 4.0.0 probably has some flaws 4.15 doesn't have
[11:09] <cfhowlett> ah. understood.  while I don't upgrade my system, I do maintain a virtualbox with the latest shiny stuff.
[11:10] <tem> Hi
[11:11] <tem> Xubuntu gets stuck at retrieving file 75 of 75 on the installation screen for me
[17:15] <artem> g
[17:15] <artem> helli
[17:15] <artem> hello
[17:15] <artem> привет
[17:15] <artem> здравствуйте
[17:16] <artem> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$%$$$$$$$
[17:16] <artem> копрал я обосрался
[17:27] <Kumool> hello
[17:43] <diego_> Hello
[21:34] <Ovsyanka> hello! I have a question. There is two versions of linux-image installed on my system. And I can't understand why. I got linux-headers-4.13.0-37 and linux-headers-4.13.0-38. I used `aptitude why` and it says that `-37` installed because `p   firmware-crystalhd              Suggests linux-image`. But `-38` provides `linux-image` too. Why the `-37` still installed at my system?
[21:53] <Ovsyanka> there is print of `why`: https://pastebin.com/wUjCENjr
[21:54] <Ovsyanka> As I see the package, that suggests linux-headers-4.13.0-37 is `p` (purged).
[21:55] <Ovsyanka> And I run `apt autoremove` before check all this.