[09:37] <youspinmelikeare> is there a built in software shop
[09:37] <youspinmelikeare> like ubuntu
 Yeah - "Discover"
[23:54] <boyet> i'm liking dolphin file manager


[01:20] <valorie> true
[06:29] <RikMills> if matrix bridging requires 100 users, none of our IRC channels currently have that
[06:31] <RikMills> from the systadmin room I think I saw that ircsomebot is now matterbridge? so we could use that again?
[07:01] <valorie> sigh, another thingie -- but I would welcome the bridge, nontheless
[07:02] <valorie> I thought 100 was a very odd (and high) bar
 ping
[16:04] <RikMills> pong from IRC
[16:07] <RikMills> valorie: and bridging is back
[23:30] <valorie> kewl


[02:44] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mikeh789
[02:45] <rww> holstein: is that a request for an ubuntu/member/ cloak :P?
[02:45] <Unit193> jussi, elky, tsimpson, topyli ^^ holstein would like a cloak
[02:45] <Unit193> rww: Yep
[02:45] <holstein> rww: yes please :)
[02:45] <holstein> no hurry...
[02:50] <rww> that's good, because the IRCC people don't seem to be around :(
[02:50] <holstein> :/
[02:58] <elky> rww, cloak him please
[02:59] <rww> elky, holstein: done
[02:59] <elky> thanks
[03:00] <Unit193> holstein: Congrats when you get back :D
[03:03] <Unit193> And while someone is here, the !mint channel seems to be #linuxmint (http://www.linuxmint.com/contactus.php)
[03:03] <rww> !mintsupport
[03:03] <rww> heh, guess they changed it. it used to be -help I know
[03:03] <rww> someone feel like hopping on spotchat and double-checking?
[03:03] <Unit193> I'll connect and check
[03:04] <rww> thanks. I would, but my hostname is non-public.
[03:07] <Unit193> Oh dear, :facepalm: Don't look at their site :/ #linuxmint :Channel #linuxmint is forbidden, redirecting to #linuxmint-help: redirecting to #linuxmint-help
[03:07] <Unit193> I'm not fond of giving my ip out
[03:07] <rww> nice
[03:08] <Unit193> Ain't I the idiot? :P
[03:09] <rww> Nah, I blame this one on Mint.
[03:10] <Unit193> Anyway, I'm sure you'll get to see me do other stuff like this later, have a nice day (Just watched Dr Who BTW :D )
[17:54] <nlsthzn> our IRC channel #ubuntu-ae only has chanserv currently but used to have ubunulog as well but the bot seems to be missing in action (was looking for a log of our last meeting and saw there was no log :()... How do we get the bot back?
[17:59] <IdleOne> nlsthzn: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for ubuntulog
[17:59] <nlsthzn> IdleOne, k... wonder why he went missing :)
[18:00] <IdleOne> happens
[18:00] <nlsthzn> :) k, cool... cheers
[18:00] <IdleOne> welcome


[00:03] <origintopleft> Does the sqlite3 package in 20.04's apt repository support fts5?
[00:05] <sarnold> origintopleft: probably yes, I see --enable-fts5 in the debian/rules file for 3.31.1-4ubuntu0.2
[00:06] <origintopleft> sarnold: that sounds like a yes to me :V alright, i'll have to find a sqlite channel for further troubleshooting then, thank you
[00:45] <pyeverything> hello could you please help me with this docker issue? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1400476/docker-error-response-from-daemon-could-not-select-device-driver-with-capab  I get this error docker: Error response from daemon: could not select device driver "" with capabilities: [[gpu]].
[00:49] <oerheks> maybe a typo; --shm-size 2GB  >> --shm-size=2GB
[00:50] <oerheks> 2 gb is standard already
[01:05] <pyeverything> oerheks, no not a typo  - solved the issue here https://askubuntu.com/a/1400480/165324
[01:25]  * stupidnick always open from here https://cryptobug.wordpress.com/2022/04/01/https-www-google-com/  to open all Repo from Our Repo ... . remember that ... .
[01:26]  * stupidnick or it is virus
[01:26] <stupidnick> always open from here https://cryptobug.wordpress.com/2022/04/01/https-www-google-com/  to open all Repo from Our Repo ... . remember that ... . or it is virus
[01:29] <oerheks> "always open from here:
[01:29] <oerheks> stupidnick, what is this about? not ubuntu support related.
[01:30] <oerheks> please  d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ spam on an other social media network,  thanks
[01:32] <oerheks> !danger
[01:32] <oerheks> hahaha
[01:32] <oerheks> !ops
[01:34] <ewomer> Any graphical gui like what NVidia provides to change x server settings from AMD?
[01:37] <oerheks> amd gpu gui ? not native, but there are projects going on https://gitlab.com/corectrl/corectrl
[01:39] <oerheks> xserver setting change do not happen that often
[01:56] <FurretUber> Is evdev supported on Wayland? evdev like the xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[01:57] <RedDevilVigilant> I think so, but I might be wrong
[01:57] <funhouse> is it faster to copy files thru cmd than explorer?
[01:57] <funhouse> or same thing
[01:58] <FurretUber> I'm testing some more exotic input devices (touchscreens, digital whiteboards) and many don't seem to work
[01:58] <sarnold> FurretUber: I have the vague impression evdev is the only way wayland works
[01:59] <sarnold> funhouse: there's a lot of variables around how things get done, but in general a gui won't be faster or slower than a cli interface to copying files around
[01:59] <funhouse> sarnold ok thank you
[02:01] <sarnold> funhouse: it gets complicated if you're using something like sshfs or cifs or smb mounts, it's possible that one or another system there might be faster; but if it's just moving files from one directory to another on the same filesystem, or if it's copying file data among local disks, it'll probably work out to pretty similar
[02:05] <FurretUber> Wayland has an equivalent to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, where it's possible to set parameters for specific devices? In the case I cited before, on X I usually have to set something with MatchUSBID and Driver on X configuration, as libinput only works with common devices, while these exotic devices work better with evdev
[02:08] <sarnold> FurretUber: ugh :( I may have been more or less exactly wrong :( -- I thought of evdev as the 'new' kernel interface but that xorg package looks like that driver means "in contrast to libinput" :(  -- guessing from the bullet points on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Evdev anyway
[03:14] <sunfish> !sunfish
[03:59]  * Ex0 is me call me when you want to answer and ping me not ping me than too bad answer your own question than
[04:01]  * Ex0 is that get paid so free money :p Thank God
[04:01] <oerheks> !ot > Ex0
[04:02] <oerheks> no spam here thanks
[04:02] <oerheks> you do this in multiple channels
[04:17] <ForrestGumppp> https://www.iqutest.com/spatial-test-paper-folding
[04:17] <oerheks> ForrestGumppp, how is that ubuntu support related?
[04:19] <ForrestGumppp> oerheks: if score less than 15 you shouldnt be doing Ubuntu Support lol
[05:32]  * Ex0 is me call me if you want me to answer your question , if not free money for me than
[05:32]  * Ex0 ping me like Ex0 : your question
[06:05] <backthen1> How do I revert back to before I installed a driver? Now "failed to start network name resolution" message happens when booting
[06:14] <ruzer> i created efi partion while installation
[06:14] <ruzer> was it neccessary to do
[06:18] <lll> can anyone tell me if it is strange for a monitor to operate @ anything but 60Htz in countries like Australia
[06:19] <ruzer> 60hz is ok
[06:20] <lll> just caught mine @ 74.97 and im in the middle of trying to understand causes of display issues which i have fixed (or so i hope)-reason i ask is that i have never heard of televisions running at anything but 60hz in AUST
[06:21] <ruzer> televison running at 60hz is okay too
[06:21] <lll> ruzer, is 74.97 bad on a pc monitor
[06:22] <ruzer> lll: maybe issues with your nvidia driver
[06:22] <ruzer> on ubuntu
[06:22] <lll> iv not noticed options above 60Hz in past (until today) wondering if i had a bad driver that messed with what options are avail
[06:23] <ruzer> why do you want gaming on linux
[06:23] <lll> *if it might of had to do with bad driver(echoed) thanks for reply
[06:23] <lll> no
[06:23] <lll> yes am on ubuntu
[06:23] <lll> vanilla 20.0.04
[06:23] <lll> 20.04.04
[06:24] <ruzer> maybe you look to pc suppoert website
[06:24] <ruzer> driver and utilities for linux os
[06:25] <ruzer> i created efi partion while installation
[06:25] <ruzer> was it neccessary to do so
[06:25] <lll> after i ran sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade and rebooted, my display setting went to shit and i couldnt choose high resolutions, was stuck at lowest avail 480x860 4:3 or something ridiculous
[06:25] <lll> i fixed
[06:25] <ruzer> how
[06:26] <lll> ended up running sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[06:26] <lll> then rebooting it
[06:26] <ruzer> ah, nice
[06:26] <lll> all was good again
[06:27] <lll> but now i want to bloody know exactly what happened
[06:27] <ruzer> linus will help
[06:27] <lll> curiosity rabbithole ensues (me novice)
[06:28] <ruzer> lll: same here
[06:28] <lll> wondering if (assuming it was a change in driver where i should look for clues? dmesg or journalctl?
[06:29] <ruzer> do mess it if is working
[06:29] <lll> or if it was a change from foss driver to nvidia driver where should i look for that (if in logs what with cat ... | grep "somekeywork?"
[06:30] <ruzer> lll: do you watch ipl?
[06:30] <lll> its the most fun when its broken and when your trying to feel out more understanding (in between granted frustration)
[06:30] <lll> dont have time
[06:31] <lll> i think we'll get in trouble if its off topic pm me if ya wanna banter
[06:31] <lll> have a conversation
[06:31] <ruzer> lll: i am new too messing things
[06:31] <ruzer> no idea bout that
[06:33] <lll> whos ur team anyway (cricket right)
[06:34]  * yuzi
[06:36] <yuzi> rcb
[06:40] <lll> are you winning? ;)
[06:49] <lll> Hi all can anyone help me with this problem https://pastebin.com/ypPUz6rS
[06:51] <lll> and if the cause of the problem could include kernel update = drop of support for my gpu how do i get my gpu details and where do i look to see if my gpu is no longer supported
[06:59] <lll> okay found out how to find gpu info in case it helps someone else "lshw -numeric -C display"
[06:59] <lll> lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12
[07:22] <lll> anyone know to how to look for nvidia gpu errors with journalctl
[07:30] <xb-20> ye
[07:30] <xb-20> s
[07:35] <DocMors> how do I find out whether a specific package is part of the initial install withour reinstalling a fresh copy? Is there a list of default packages?
[07:36] <Jeremy31> DocMors: you might be able to find the manifest list with a search
[07:38] <DocMors> well I have a guy here telling me that his 20.04 doesn't have systemd installed. I tend to disbelieve that but I can't access his machine unfortunately.
[07:38] <DocMors> as far as I know systemd is part of the core since 15.xx
[07:48] <alkisg> DocMors: tell them to upload the output of : dpkg -l | grep systemd | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:54] <DocMors> alkisg, good move
[08:27] <blb120557> it doesn't make sense to use ubuntu without systemd. Many packages depends on it and if you can't even use the packaging system then there's no reason to use such os at all
[08:49] <blb120557> is fwupd any good? it has tons of deps and last time i tried it didn't do anything
[09:20] <dortal> hi.#
[09:20] <wez> hi
[09:53] <dortal> ubuntu server.
[11:40] <bost> Hi. How can I declare a list variable in the dash shell (i.e. /bin/sh)
[11:40] <bost> ?
[11:44] <wez> bost: dash does not support arrays. You could try something like this:
[11:44] <wez> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14594033/does-dash-support-bash-style-arrays
[11:44] <wez> bost: All I did was Google that, I don't know why you didn'y try that first.
[11:47] <bost> wez: I did. But that link doesn't appear in my googling results.
[11:47] <bost> wez: anyway thank you!
[11:47] <wez> bost: I guess you used list instead of the term array
[11:48] <bost> wez: aaah.
[11:48] <wez> Bash also uses that term :)
[11:48] <bost> wez: well, I'm a LISP fan
[11:48] <wez> heh
[11:49] <wez> Python fan here!
[11:49] <bost> :)
[11:49] <wez> They call it a list too, but bash uses the term array
[11:59] <Igorus> Hello
[11:59] <mrkubax10> hi
[11:59] <Igorus> :)
[12:25] <westor> hello, im trying to upgrade openssl to 3.0.2 but getting that error: openssl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:25] <westor> any idea how to solve that ? (openssl version)
[12:26] <RedDevilVigilant> lol
[12:32] <ravage> westor: just dont do it. updating openssl will break everything
[12:46] <tomreyn> westor: if you actually need openssl 3.0.2, install 22.04 when it releases
[12:47] <westor> so you suggesting not upgrading to?
[12:49] <tomreyn> you won't be able to upgrade to it too soon. maybe soon after release from 21.10, but not until *around* the 22.04.1 release from 20.04.
[12:49] <westor> i don't need 100% to update on 3.0.2 , i just updating it because its the most newer but if that is gonna break anything on system then i will go on 1.1.1
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:06] <tomreyn> westor: that's not how ubuntu is meant to be used, really. if you (manually) upgrade single software components, you can break many other softwares. the fixed release model defines specific software versions which are part of an ubuntu release / version. you seem to be trying to convert ubuntu into a rolling release model distribution, which it is not. maybe you'd be happier with one of those distros?
[13:07] <westor> right that makes sense, i will revert on 1.1.1 series until next distro LTS release
[13:21] <westor> tomreyn: one last question, when "openssl version" says this "OpenSSL 1.1.1n 15 Mar 2022 (Library: OpenSSL 1.1.1k 25 Mar 2021)" does that means it uses 1.1.1n or 1.1.1k ?
[13:24] <rob0> looks like the openssl(1) binary is n and the library is k
[13:24] <tomreyn> ^
[13:25] <rob0> Ubuntu LTS (here I am looking at 20.04) versions, do they have NTP synchronization enabled by default?
[13:27] <tomreyn> rob0: yes, via systemd-timesyncd
[13:27] <rob0> ty
[13:28] <tomreyn> use timedatectl to manage it
[13:28] <yuzi> .
[13:29] <yuzi> whats the point of having separate /home partition?
[13:29] <yuzi> how does it helps
[13:32] <tomreyn> yuzi: you no longer have / run full, possibly impacting system stability, when you fill up your /home. you have separate file systems, which can use different configurations, physical storage locations, storage configurations / block device layering. and probably a bunch more which i can't think of right now.
[13:32] <tomreyn> oh, you can preserve /home while doing a fresh install of the OS.
[13:33] <yuzi> prevserve, how do we do that
[13:34] <yuzi> means only formatting the / and keeping/home
[13:34] <yuzi> any documentation on that
[13:35] <westor> tomreyn: it seems machine keeps using 1.1.1k instead 1.1.1n , how can i change that?
[13:36] <tomreyn> yuzi: while you should still backup /home, you could just trash all other partitions and do a fresh install with custom partitioning, where you install the newer release side by side with the existing /home, and then later mount this existing /home to the new home directory. i don't have guide on this at hand, but i'm sure you can find one online.
[13:36] <tomreyn> westor: by undoing the changes you made previously to cause this. or a fresh install.
[13:37] <westor> i did a fresh install already to install 1.1.1n
[13:38] <tomreyn> i highly doubt there is an ubuntu release which uses a different openssl binary version than the libssl version
[13:38] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you on?
[13:38] <llutz> westor: check available/used versions, "apt-cache policy libssl1.1 openssl"
[13:39] <westor> 20.04
[13:39] <tomreyn> !info openssl focal
[13:40] <tomreyn> !info libssl1.1 focal
[13:40] <VIA> hi all
[13:40] <westor> https://pastebin.com/SPUJaPep
[13:40] <VIA> my system hung itself for the first time in a loong while. whats the part where i can see logs of what happened last ?
[13:40] <tomreyn> westor: the command "type openssl" says what?
[13:41] <EriC^^> VIA: /var/log/syslog
[13:41] <westor> openssl is hashed (/usr/local/bin/openssl)
[13:41] <tomreyn> westor: you're using a locally installed openssl binary.
 westor: by undoing the changes you made previously to cause this. or a fresh install.
[13:42] <yuzi> VIA: go to logs app
[13:43] <VIA> hmmmm the thingy i meant that was thrown around a lot, and a lot at other users too went different for sure. not saying its not in there though hmmhh
[13:43] <VIA> well im not familiar with logs app sry
[13:43] <tomreyn> VIA: journalctl -eb -1     or the "Logs" GUI application in gnome.
[13:43] <yuzi> VIA: its simple gui app inbuilt
[13:44] <VIA> i do not have a "logs" application
[13:44] <westor> i used "./config" -> "sudo make" -> "sudo mv /usr/bin/openssl ~/tmp" -> "sudo make install" -> "sudo ln -s /usr/local/bin/openssl /usr/bin/openssl" -> "sudo ldconfig" = are these steps the correct to upgrade on 1.1.1n ? or i miss something (sorry for this newbie thing)
[13:45] <river> hey I want to install libXau
[13:45] <river> but apt install libXau can't find it
[13:46] <river> how should I go about finding the true name of the lib to install?
[13:46] <river> I looked into the software thing but it doesn't have search?
[13:46] <VIA> ty EriC^^ that looks about right :D
[13:46] <VIA> ugly and right hmhmh
[13:46] <yuzi> VIA: what distro you use
[13:47] <llutz> river apt-cache search libxau
[13:47] <river> tanks
[13:47] <tomreyn> river: i can't tell about the graphical application, but you can search using the "apt" program in a terminal emulator: apt search libXau
[13:49] <VIA> how can i copy that file EriC^ ?
[13:50] <VIA> dont seem to have enough capacity to select all text an cant move or copy that file itself ._.
[13:59] <EriC^> VIA: cp /var/log/syslog /path/to/destination, or use 'less /var/log/syslog' to browse through the file
[14:03] <didac45> hello people again
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome didac45
[14:03] <didac45> now i want make a boot sd from image disk
[14:04] <tomreyn> VIA: or cut out the relevant part with journalctl --since=... and --until=... and append " | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[14:04] <didac45> how i do?
[14:05] <tomreyn> what is "sd" and what format is "image disk" in?
[14:06] <didac45> tomreyn, is a sdcard
[14:07] <didac45> tomreyn, and image disk is file .img
[14:07] <didac45> i want make this file img on sdcard
[14:07] <didac45> but bootbale
[14:07] <didac45> bootable
[14:08] <tomreyn> then use a bootable image, or something like ventoy.
[14:08] <didac45> tomreyn, the img is alredy bootable
[14:09] <tomreyn> so you can just cp it to the raw sdcard device
[14:09] <didac45> there any command to process?
[14:09] <tomreyn> 'cp'
[14:10] <tomreyn> or 'dd'
[14:10] <didac45> noooo, cp, no not copy, dd yes
[14:10] <llutz> or 'cat'
[14:10] <didac45> what is the process to dd?
[14:11] <leftyfb> didac45: what OS is the image?
[14:11] <tomreyn> either cp or dd should work if you have the right target device. and a system which can boot off sdcards.
[14:11] <didac45> chromiuos
[14:11] <leftyfb> didac45: where did you download it from?
[14:12] <didac45> in the page chromiumos
[14:12] <leftyfb> didac45: please provide the link here
[14:13] <didac45> one second
[14:14] <leftyfb> didac45: sudo dd if=/path/to/your.img of=/dev/mmcblk0    # verify the location of your sd card with lsblk
[14:15] <leftyfb> didac45: good luck
[14:15] <didac45> ok thanks
[14:23] <VIA> EriC^: tomreyn .. TY my sys just hung itself no idea why, well onlky 'miusepad'became unresponsive .. so i het to kill it all wtf
[14:24] <VIA> i opened the file again and just did a file->save as from the getgo and was able to snatch it
[14:25] <VIA> my system has crashed around 12:10 so about 3 hours before i got back up. if anyone wants to take a look at the look idk i think like posting the last hhour or half hour should contain some or other info if at all
[14:29] <VIA> ah damn whats up with my spelling que horror
[14:32] <rob0> lol, IRC doesn't have that "edit post" feature :)
[14:32] <VIA> I NEVER EDIT MUH SHITS
[14:32] <VIA> see caps. and i send anyway cuz thats what its about keepin it reeeel
[14:47] <tomreyn> VIA: please try to use family friendly language on this channel.
[14:48] <yuzi> what if I use the non lts versions
[14:48] <yuzi> like 22.04
[14:48] <yuzi> is it unstable, in beta?
[14:48] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | yuzi
[14:48] <tomreyn> there's a beta
[14:49] <VIA> i did not use any family unfriendly language. thy for recognition.
[14:49] <yuzi> is it unstable, in beta? tomreyn so it is stable
[14:49] <VIA>  /ignore add *******
[14:49] <yuzi> it comes with Gnome 40
[14:50] <rob0> !beta
[14:50] <tomreyn> VIA: https://ubottu.com/y/gl - "Language and Subject"
[14:50] <rob0> A beta means that some features might not be working perfectly yet.
[14:51] <yuzi> rob0: ya that's unstable i said
[14:51] <rob0> generally, it means not fully tested
[14:51] <rob0> so if you don't like that, don't use it
[14:52] <yuzi> its april 2022 so it should be official till now
[14:52] <yuzi> when connanical will roll out 22
[14:53] <tomreyn> there is a so-called "release schedule", which will bear the exact date. "april" != "april 1st"
[14:53] <yuzi> ya waiting eagerly
[14:54] <yuzi> tomreyn: but 'april' == 'april' , I didn't metion date
[14:56] <tomreyn> yuzi: yes, your assumption is incorrect.
[14:58] <jhutchins> Also sometimes april == > april.
[14:58] <yuzi> == > is invalid operator jhutchins
[14:59] <yuzi> i agree
[15:06] <BlackMage> i have problems on my macbook to establish a lan connection
[15:07] <dortal> i got macbook pro too
[15:08] <tomreyn> BlackMage: got more details? ubuntu version, flavor, error message?
[15:08] <BlackMage> not listened
[15:08] <BlackMage> in ifconfig
[15:08] <tomreyn> dont use ifconfig, use 'ip'
[15:09] <BlackMage> but i can list the interface with ifconfig
[15:09] <tomreyn> ip link
[15:09] <tomreyn> but we need more details nevertheless
[15:10] <dubiousness> BlackMage: as tomreyn says, versions, macbook model, etc. will help with debugging. It sounds like the old Broadcom issue, but without more detail we are stabbing in the dark.
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> BlackMage: try to use a pastebin to output some details the volunteers ask for, in order they can help you the best possible
[15:12] <BlackMage> 2: enp1s0f0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[15:12] <BlackMage>     link/ether a8:20:66:50:d6:44 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[15:20] <geosmile> is there a good keylogger for ubuntu that i can install using apt?
[15:26] <tomreyn> BlackMage: gathering more info: lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/version; sudo apt -qq update && apt policy
[15:31] <rob0> "good" and "keylogger", to me, sound mutually exclusive. :)
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> geosmile: there used to be logkeys in earlier ubuntu releases, but it has been removed i think
[15:35] <BlackMage> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yG9tQgPXgM/
[15:41] <BlackMage> my mac is a MacBook Pro 13" - A1278 - Mid 2012,BIOS MBP91, ROM Version:  00DA_B00
[15:44] <tomreyn> BlackMage: are you using a graphical desktop, or are you just working on the tty?
[15:44] <BlackMage> i use a graphical desktop
[15:45] <BlackMage> but networkmanager stop working with the ethernet interface
[15:46] <tomreyn> BlackMage: oh, details, nice. so, what seemed to have caused this to happen, when did it start, can you pinpoint a change you may have introduced, or a date and time when this became an issue?
[15:46] <dortal> hi
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> welcome dortal
[15:47] <dortal> thanks
[15:49] <BlackMage> how i can see what packages was last updated?
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> BlackMage: /var/log/dpkg logs
[15:50] <ioria> BlackMage, those 3 ppas are not supported on Focal; why do you have it ?
[15:52] <jhutchins> BlackMage: What changes did you make between when the ethernet interface last worked and when it stopped?
[15:52] <BlackMage> only updates
[15:55] <tomreyn> so then it's likely that a kernel update introduced this issue for you, which is really that you depends on an out of tree kernel module for the network interface, i assume.
[15:56] <tomreyn> you could try switching back to an earlier kernel version temporarily by selecting that from the grub menu, under 'Advanced'
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> BlackMage: maybe its a good idea to share your ' dmesg ' in a pastebin with the volunteers aswell
[15:58] <BlackMage> only two ACPI errors
[15:58] <ioria> BlackMage, restart network-manager and check again
[15:59] <BlackMage> nothing changed
[16:00] <ioria> not possible
[16:00] <ioria> BlackMage,  cat /var/log/syslog
[16:05] <jhutchins> ioria: Ok come on, at least less +G
[16:08] <BlackMage> i can find only "manager: (enp1s0f0): new Ethernet device (/org/freedesktop
[16:09] <BlackMage> i can find only "manager: (enp1s0f0): new Ethernet device (/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/2)" what has to do with enp1s0f0
[16:09] <BlackMage> in /var/log/syslog
[16:10] <ioria> BlackMage,  i suggest you find a way to connect that pc (wifi, adapter, theter) so you can paste cmds outputs
[16:26] <BlackMage> yes wifi works, but not ethernet
[16:29] <BlackMage> when installing it was the other way around, wifi doesnt work, but ethernet over lan port
[16:31] <BlackMage> and after the install of wifi drivers both works, until before the update
[16:32] <BlackMage> now works only wifi
[16:39] <tomreyn> BlackMage: lspci -knn | grep -EA3 'Ethernet controller'     should provide details on the chipset you have. search for its vendor and device id (given in a format similar to "[abcd:0123]" at the end of the first line of output of this command) and "ubuntu 20.04" and you should find out how to make it work again.
[17:01] <lidless> FYI: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1398614/upgrading-to-5-13-0-37-generic-breaks-audio-with-external-audio-card
[17:01] <lidless> this is what I'm experiencing
[17:03] <lidless> and that fix does work for me. Hope this helps someone else
[17:03] <jpmh> I need to do some testing with different dates.  How do I stop ubuntu from contacting time servers and fixing the time/date?
[17:05] <mrkubax10> try timedatectl set-ntp 0
[17:06] <shadow255> jpmh: for something less permanent, try sudo systemctl freeze systemd-timesyncd
[17:07] <shadow255> jpmh: when done testing, use sudo systemctl thaw systemd-timesyncd
[17:07] <jpmh> shadow255: ty - will try that right now
[17:08] <jpmh> shadow255: I get the error: Unknown Operation Freeze
[17:08] <jpmh> howevere testig with stop
[17:09] <jpmh> shadow255: stop did it  - ty so much
[17:09] <shadow255> jpmh: good luck!
[17:13] <jpmh> WHen I try and install perldoc on a new 20.04 installation I get a dependency issue, details at: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VkK6nCnfmK/ - help please
[17:13] <geosmile> lotuspsychje, I noticed. Do you know if there are any other keyloggers that i can use?
[17:13] <jhutchins> shadow255: What release are you running that has freeze/thaw?  I haven't seen that documented anywhere yet.
[17:14] <shadow255> jhutchins: tested successfully on 21.10
[17:14] <jhutchins> geosmile: What is your actual goal?
[17:15] <geosmile> jhutchins, I want to record all terminal sessions/keystrokes on a VPN (need to give machine access to an semi-trusted user)
[17:15] <geosmile> VM - not vpn
[17:16] <oerheks> !info logkeys
[17:16] <oerheks> oh
[17:19] <tomreyn> jpmh: your systems' information on available packages (apt cache) is outdated, try solving this first. perl-doc in ubuntu 20.04 depends on perl >= 5.30.0-1 (not just ">= 5.26.1-1", as your apt thinks).
[17:20] <tomreyn> jpmh: in case your system time is outdated, this could cause apt to fail on updating the apt cache.
[17:21] <jpmh> tomreyn: my system time is fine on the achine where I have this issue
[17:21] <tomreyn> that's a good start.
[17:21] <oerheks> geosmile, build logkeys yourself? https://github.com/kernc/logkeys
[17:21] <jpmh> tomreyn: how do I fix the cache - I have done the apt update
[17:22] <tomreyn> jpmh: so   sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade    should all run, and all without printing warnings or errors.
[17:23] <jpmh> tomreyn: ty - trying that now - the full-upgrade is the part I had not done
[17:24] <jpmh> tomreyn: the upgrade commands all worked - I still have the issue when I do the perl-doc
[17:25] <BlackMage> hello again
[17:25] <tomreyn> jpmh: this is probably not the only cause of the situation reported on your paste, though. 'held broken packages' is a situation that usually caused by introducing, to your system, third party packages or package repositories.
[17:26] <jpmh> tomreyn: this is a brand new install - so no third party packages
[17:27] <tomreyn> jpmh: so   apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'    lists nothing and    apt policy    only lists urls which are or end in one of archive.ubuntu.com, ports.ubuntu.com, security.ubuntu.com ?
[17:28] <BlackMage> ehh how names the lspci command?
[17:28] <jhutchins> BlackMage: Please re-phrase.
[17:29] <jpmh> tomreyn: not sure what you are asking saying
[17:29] <BlackMage> to show the details of Ethernet controller [0200]
[17:29] <pryjan> Hi, can someone give me some hints on how Ubuntu keeps packages updated from a security perspective? I've notice, as example, that the version of Qemu on Focal is really outdated compared to the upstream one. I started wondering then if it is better to use the "interim" versions to stay updated, however security patches for those version are only
[17:29] <pryjan> for packages in "main" af far I've understood and the general suggestion is to use LTE versions... hence now I'm bit confused.
[17:29] <jhutchins> BlackMage: Well, lspci will give you some details, lspci -nn will include the PCI ID.
[17:30] <tomreyn> jpmh: i provided two (series of commands) and info on how the output they shold produce, in case you would like to double-check that your system is still in a good condition.
[17:30] <jpmh> ah - ok - ty
[17:30] <BlackMage> okay and -nnn?
[17:31] <oerheks>  lspci -knn | grep -EA3 'Ethernet controller'   # is what tomreyn gave you earlier
[17:31] <tomreyn> !latest | pryjan
[17:32] <oerheks> pryjan, not outdated, but they are stable and supported.
[17:32] <oerheks> LTS aims on stability, not the newest features
[17:33] <tomreyn> pryjan: what this is trying to say is that, in ubuntu, there is a team of developers who make sure that, while the main software version remains the same, and may look old, security patches are actually applied to these older versions.
[17:33] <BlackMage> okay i have a 14e4:16b4 as a NetXtreme BCM57765
[17:35] <tomreyn> pryjan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ has more details on this, start with the FAQ on top
[17:37] <tomreyn> BlackMage: this is what i told you earlier:   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 'Ethernet controller'     should provide details on the chipset you have. search for its vendor and device id (given in a format similar to "[abcd:0123]" at the end of the first line of output of this command) and "ubuntu 20.04" and you should find out how to make it work again.
[17:37] <tomreyn> !logs | BlackMage
[17:40] <BlackMage> BCM4331 is my wifi and BCM57765 is my lan adapter
[17:41] <BlackMage> but i didnt find any usefully about it
[17:42] <tomreyn> does the above command says that "Kernel driver in use: tg3"?
[17:42] <BlackMage> Kernel driver in use: tg3
[17:42] <BlackMage> yes
[17:43] <tomreyn> so the driver was loaded okay, then there must be some other issue. maybe it's best you just post a full dmesg
[17:43] <tomreyn> dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:44] <pryjan> tomreyn: I understand that, however the Qemu version in Fossa is 4.2 while the upstream is 6.2 and there are open CVE affecting versions <= 5.0.0, does this means that all newer versions did not actually solved any CVE opened for the version 4.2 so far, that's why the package was not updated?
[17:44] <BlackMage> https://termbin.com/u4q8
[17:48] <tomreyn> pryjan: it means that qemu 4.2 in Ubuntu 20.04 is not just what was once released as qemu 4.2 by the qemu developers, but that with many security patches on top of it, to close (hopefully) all the serious bugs that this version has become known to be affected by, until now. you can get a better overview on this here: https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?version=focal&package=qemu
[17:48] <BlackMage> i can find only: 'enp1s0f0: renamed from eth0'
[17:50] <BlackMage> and '0000:01:00.0 eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM957765) rev 57785100]'
[17:50] <pryjan> tomreyn: Oh, thank you! That's definitely a good link, now things start to make sense to me. Thank you.
[17:50] <BlackMage> but why Tigon3?
[17:53] <pryjan> tomreyn: This basically means that in Focal we have the most updated and patched Qemu 4.2 - that is, we are maybe missing some features compared to the newer versions but we are ok from security perspective
[17:53] <tomreyn> BlackMage: that's the name of the driver which is loaded. those acpi errors you have on dmesg aren't too great, but the more critical ones seem to be about graphics, not the network hardware.
[17:54] <BlackMage> but i have no problems with graphics
[17:54] <BlackMage> runs fine
[17:54] <pryjan> tomreyn: and this goes for all other packages in "main" and "restricted" when using a LTE (Qemu was just an example of mine)
[17:54] <BlackMage> LTE?
[17:55] <tomreyn> BlackMage: that's good. what is printed to the terminal emulator window when you run    journalctl -f   and then try to bring up the ethernet using network manager? (use a pastebin to report the output)
[17:55] <BlackMage> its not listed in the network manager
[17:55] <tomreyn> pryjan: LTS, not LTE, but yes, that's how it should be.
[17:56] <pryjan> BlackMage: LTS, sorry
[17:56] <pryjan> today I can't type, my finger just do what they want
[17:56] <tomreyn> pryjan: in fact this applies to all ubuntu releases while they're getting security support. not just LTS releases.
[17:58] <pryjan> tomreyn: I read somewhere that interim just gets support for "main" but not for "restricted" (https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle). Maybe I did understand it wrong
[17:58] <tomreyn> BlackMage: what's the output of    nmcli device | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:59] <tomreyn> pryjan: that's actually possible, you may know more than i do there
[17:59] <BlackMage> only 'enp1s0f0  ethernet  unmanaged  --'
[18:00] <pryjan> tomreyn: well, that's hard to believe; it is just a my understanding of what they wrote there :D
[18:00] <tomreyn> pryjan: if you have more questions on this, try checking back with the security team in #ubuntu-security
[18:00] <pryjan> tomreyn: Thank you, I'll!
[18:01] <tomreyn> BlackMage: so this network interface is not managed by network-manager. is this something you have chosen to do, by chance?
[18:02] <tomreyn> attempting to configure it by other means would cause such, for example
[18:05] <tomreyn> BlackMage: journalctl -b -t NetworkManager | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:07] <BlackMage> tomreyn: no, the interface first disappeared from the network manager, but it still worked fine. but with later updates it no longer worked via the console via ifconfig. the information can only be queried from the interface via ethtool, and the interface does not work
[18:08] <BlackMage> and here: https://termbin.com/7wmtl
[18:11] <tomreyn> BlackMage: hmm, yes, this does not hint on why the ethernet interface is not managed by NM either. so you're saying that currently, you could not add a new LAN connection on the NM GUI, because there is no such interface listed, right?
[18:14] <BlackMage> it is a 'Ethernet connection 1' listed in the settings, but not shown when i make a right click
[18:15] <tomreyn> BlackMage: run    nm-connection-editor    and delete 'Ethernet connection 1'. then close and re-open    nm-connection-editor    and add a new ethernet connection.
[18:16] <tomreyn> when adding the new ethernet connection, try not to make any manual changes
[18:16] <BlackMage> device not managed is shown in the right click menu
[18:17] <BlackMage> on Ethernet network
[18:17] <BlackMage> under Ethernet network, i mean
[18:18] <BlackMage> only device not managed
[18:19] <tomreyn> BlackMage: does is say "managed=false" here?     cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[18:19] <BlackMage> no managed=true
[18:19] <Manjaro112> Ok
[18:19] <tomreyn> BlackMage: did you mean to say: No, it says "managed=true"?
[18:20] <BlackMage> yes 'managed=true' is in NetworkManager.conf
[18:20] <Guest6613> i installed ubuntu 22.04 beta on my computer. when the final stable version comes out will i have to reinstall or do i just keep doing updates?
[18:21] <tomreyn> BlackMage: and    cat /etc/network/interfaces    returns an empty file, or an error message that the file does not exist?
[18:21] <mybalzitch> Guest6613: /should/ just be able to update. 99%
[18:21] <oerheks> Guest6613, just update and you are fine
[18:21] <Guest6613> ok thanks
[18:22] <BlackMage> cat: /etc/network/interfaces: No such file or directory
[18:23] <tomreyn> BlackMage: i'm out of ideas, i'm afraid. maybe someone else can up with a solution. you could review the full log since boot, specifically looking for anything on the network interface and firmware loading, maybe this would help.
[18:23] <tomreyn> so     journalctl -b
[18:23] <BlackMage> hmpf :/  that is bad
[18:24] <oerheks> tomreyn, rebooting the router as last resort?
[18:24] <oerheks> * with wired connected solely
[18:24] <tomreyn> oerheks: the router should not cause whether or not NM is willing to manage the device
[18:25] <tomreyn> (router or whatever there is on the other end of the ethernet connection)
[18:26] <tomreyn> the web posts i spotted all pointed to missing / outdated NIC firmware, but i did not see such messages on the parts of the log we got to see (but they were not complete)
[18:26] <BlackMage> a false bit have changed and that entire driver destroyed xD
[18:27] <tomreyn> it's most likely related to apple hardware being not that well supported.
[18:27] <BlackMage> i had no problems until after the update
[18:34] <jhutchins> BlackMage: Do you suppose anybod else has the same hardware you do, and has upgraded their Ubuntu installation?
[18:36] <BlackMage> jhutchins rather unlikely, but nothing is impossible
[18:39] <jhutchins> Distrowatch says Ubuntu is getting 1,317 hits per day on it's site.
[18:40] <oerheks> Distrowatch .. not really a genuine source of populairity
[18:47] <jhutchins> oerheks: Your suggestion of a better one?
[18:47] <BlackMage> puh my macbook is from Mid 2012 with 2x8GB DDR3 RAM with 1600MHz and a i7-3520M CPU @ 2.90GHz, so not so bad
[18:48] <jhutchins> Not much, but:
[18:48] <jhutchins> !macbook
[18:48] <jhutchins> I realise you have already installed and had it working.
[18:48] <pulseaudio> guys can't run dvd
[18:48] <blb1016017> !jammy
[18:49] <jhutchins> pulseaudio: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[18:49] <pulseaudio> well the dvd is in the tray but ubuntu is completely unaware. Gotta tell him he has to read the dvd, seems driver related issue.
[18:50] <BlackMage> today it is gives better but I don't need more
[18:50] <jhutchins> pulseaudio: That's usually handled by the Desktop software.
[18:51] <pulseaudio> what do i have to do ?
[18:52] <jhutchins> pulseaudio: I presume you have the default gnome desktop.
[18:52] <jhutchins> pulseaudio: So wait for somebody who knows about gnome media handling.
[18:52] <pulseaudio> I use ubuntu 16.04 all default
[18:53] <jhutchins> pulseaudio: Are you sure it's 16.04?  That's awfully old, and out of support.
[18:54] <pulseaudio> sure sure
[18:54] <pulseaudio> 16.04 was stable as a rock
[19:14] <jhutchins> First hit on google.
[19:19] <BlackMage> should i report it with the tg3 driver?
[19:30] <BlackMage> okay, i have completed my tests, i got the tg3 driver not working
[19:30] <jhutchins> BlackMage: Have you successfully reverted to the previous kernel & drivers?
[19:32] <BlackMage> no, how do I do that?
 you could try switching back to an earlier kernel version temporarily by selecting that from the grub menu, under 'Advanced'
[20:07] <pulseaudio> is ubuntu touch around ?
[20:13] <tomreyn> !touch | pulseaudio
[20:14] <TheGallopingFox> im doing a live techno set to celebrate the wonderful world of open-source
[20:14] <TheGallopingFox> https://icecast.freakscape.net/
[20:14] <TheGallopingFox> this is not spam!
[20:14] <TheGallopingFox> im a slackware user
[20:15] <leftyfb> TheGallopingFox: please do not spam here
[20:15] <TheGallopingFox> im not spamming, im actually doing it!
[20:15] <leftyfb> TheGallopingFox: this is a support channel. Anything not support related is offtopic
[20:15] <TheGallopingFox> is there a offtopic channel?
[20:16] <TheGallopingFox> you sound like President Putin and his orders lol
[20:18] <pulseaudio> anyone here who used ubuntu touch
[20:18] <tomreyn> pulseaudio: see what ubottu told you
[20:19]  * pulseaudio followed
[20:30] <trewq> hi folks, I would like to install chrome on 20.04 focal - where can I find out what version would be install if I were to use apt? I have this in my sources.list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[20:31] <trewq> hi folks, I would like to install chrome on 20.04 focal - where can I find out what version would be install if I were to use apt? I have this in my sources.list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[20:33] <LimaCharlie0410> sudo apt-get yomama
[20:33] <jhutchins> !info chrome
[20:35] <pinetrees> install chromium, sudo apt install chromium-browser
[20:35] <trewq> I do not want to install chromium, I would like to find out what version would be installed
[20:36] <trewq> "where can I find out what version would be install if I were to use apt?"
[20:36] <jhutchins> trewq: Check man apt for a dry-run or -test option.
[20:37] <trewq> jhutchins: thanks
[20:38] <jhutchins> trewq: You can also try /msg ubottu info <package>
[20:38] <tomreyn> trewq: apt list chromium-browser
[20:39] <Jeremy31> Isn't chromium a snap now?
[20:39] <tomreyn> yes, but the apt package would still list the version, i think
[20:40] <tomreyn> and the question was: <trewq> "where can I find out what version would be install if I were to use apt?"
[20:41] <Jeremy31> Then> apt policy chromium-browser should work
[20:41] <leftyfb> trewq: https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/
[20:42] <leftyfb> trewq: since google chrome is not available, no tools in ubuntu can tell you what version would be installed without you installing the 3rd party .deb which isn't supported here
[20:42] <trewq> leftyfb: thanks, but not my question.. I found the answer - I think it is apt show chromium
[20:43] <leftyfb> trewq: chromium ! = google chrome. The versions are not in lock step
[20:43] <trewq> leftyfb: yes, my apologies, I should have said chromium
[20:44] <trewq> but my question still holds - working on what I found with the show command
[20:44] <leftyfb> trewq: apt-cache policy <package>
[20:48] <tomreyn> actually,    apt list chromium-browser    will return an old chrome version number (and only when you have universe enabled), sorry. so use "snap info chromium" instead
[20:52] <Gabri> hi, I have a problem with installing Ubuntu 20.04 on a Qnap.
[20:52] <Gabri> At the moment of installation it stops at 60% and the following error comes out written to me:
[20:52] <Gabri> Installation Error
[20:52] <Gabri> The Ubuntu operating system was not assigned an IP address to complete the installation.
[20:52] <Gabri> Reinstall Uninstall
[22:21]  * cluelessperson sighs that this basic file explorer "dolphin" just isn't responding for some reason
[22:21] <cluelessperson> just weird io errors or issues
[22:29] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: That's KDE?
[22:31] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: KDE tends to do a lot of indexing and caching, you might just try leaving it for a while.
[22:31] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: if you're getting i/o errors, that is usually a corrupt filesystem or bad storage device
[22:32] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, it's not the storage or FS.
[22:32] <cluelessperson> I think jhutchins is correct it's just doing weird stuff behind the scene and not caring about the user.
[22:33] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: please pastebin the errors
[22:34] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, there aren't any foreground logs
[22:34] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Have you checked (h)top to see what kind of load is on the CPU and RAM?
[22:34] <cluelessperson> it's the general interface being wonky
[22:34] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, very little
[22:35] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: why did you say "io errors" if you didn't see any io errors in logs?
[22:37] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, because it is some weird sort of io error that I click a file and it opens like 5 minutes later
[22:37] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: again, why do you say "io error" when you're not actually seeing any io errors?
[22:38] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: "I/O" errors are usually associated with storage devices and filesystems. When you use it to address random assumed issues, not related to logs, it gets very confusing
[22:38] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Local storage?  Spinning disk or SSD or Network share?
[22:39] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, not really
[22:39] <leftyfb> cluelessperson: yes, really
[22:39] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: It confuses leftyfb.
[22:39] <cluelessperson> leftyfb, I'm suggesting the problem is in the logic of how this application loads data.
[22:39] <cluelessperson> how *it* handles io
[22:39] <cluelessperson> I don't think it's storage/fs at all.
[22:42] <cbreak> cluelessperson: you have an io error?
[22:42] <cbreak> might be the file system, cabling, ssd, or other storage hardware
[22:43] <cbreak> IO errors are usually quite low level
[22:43] <oerheks> maybe bad ram ..
[22:43] <jhutchins> Y'all are reachin'.
[22:43] <cbreak> that could cause anything... but I wouldn't imediately suspect it to be causing an io error
[22:44] <oerheks> yes, without proper info, a wild guess
[22:44] <jhutchins> My file manager hangs at startup when the Network Drives are either not mounted or have dropped off.
[22:44] <cbreak> yeah, but hanging is not an io error
[22:44] <jhutchins> It eventually comes up, but after a wait.
[22:44] <leftyfb> there's been no actual errors reported. Only a claim that the file manager isn't performing to their liking
[22:44] <cbreak> hangs aren't related to the issue here
[22:45] <jhutchins> cbreak: "Not responding" sounds like "hangs" to me.
[22:45] <cbreak> hangs could be caused by various reasons, either by being blocked in some syscall (because of a file system / os issue)
[22:45] <cbreak> or by some userland level deadlock / livelock
[22:46] <cbreak> or just shoddy programming leading to event processing getting delayed / stopped
[22:46] <cbreak> jhutchins: yeah, but "io errror" sounds like something unrelated to hanging or not responding
[22:46] <cbreak> an io error is by definition a response with an error
[22:46] <alumno> Hi. need help whit CUPS
[22:47] <jhutchins> alumno: What did you try to do?  How did you try to do it?  What did you expect to happen?  What happened instead?
[22:47] <cbreak> (have you tried turning it off and on again?)
[22:48] <alumno> I have a printer connected by USB but when I want to print some file I list more than 2 printers with different names than the one I have
[22:49] <leftyfb> alumno: delete the other printers
[22:49] <jhutchins> alumno: Are there other printers somewhere on the network?  Is one of them the PDF "printer"?
[22:49] <jhutchins> alumno: Also, does the correct printer work?
[22:50] <alumno> I delete them and they reappear
[22:50] <alumno> the printer is working properly
[22:51] <leftyfb> alumno: set your usb printer as default and ignore the rest
[22:51] <alumno> https://imgur.com/0M64OTN
[22:51] <alumno> the ones that appear with: _ are the ones that I delete and keep appearing
[22:51] <leftyfb> alumno: they're probably on the network
[22:52] <leftyfb> disconnect the ethernet cable or disconnect it from wifi
[22:52] <alumno> is not on the network
[22:52] <cbreak> do the fake printers work?
[22:53] <alumno> https://imgur.com/N7Iubxt
[22:55] <jhutchins> alumno: Some printers effectively present more than one interface, sometimes with different capabilities (ie raw, postscript).
[22:55] <alumno> ok jhutchins
[22:56] <alumno> another question (sorry :/ )
[22:56] <alumno> is it normal for it to take 10 minutes to send to print 130 pages?
[22:58] <jhutchins> alumno: Could be.  Many factors.  Printer has very little brain, if it has to graphically render each page it'll take time.
[23:00] <alumno> ok jhutchins
[23:01] <alumno> jhutchins : and is it normal to consume up to 9G of ram when I send to print?
[23:02] <Guest42> hello... i typed something on sudo with my password, and it is now on journald
[23:02] <Guest42> how can i clear that one line from journal logs without deleting everything before that?
[23:02] <Guest42> or may be clear the last 5 minutes?
[23:03] <leftyfb> Guest42: you don't. You can purge the logs if you like though
[23:05] <leftyfb> Guest42: you can use --vacuum-time=Xs to delete logs older than X seconds
[23:05] <Guest42> thanks but i don't want to delete everything before that, as i said. it's months of data.
[23:06] <leftyfb> Guest42: change your password
[23:06] <Guest42> thanks
[23:06] <Guest42> that might work. can i also pause journal logging before invoking the sudo command next time?
[23:07] <leftyfb> Guest42: when being asked for your password by sudo, it does not record your password in the logs
[23:08] <Guest42> well in general can i pause journal logging for this session?
[23:09] <leftyfb> I've never tried as it's generally not a good idea. passwords don't typically get logged to journald unless you're doing something very wrong
[23:24] <Willy--> Ubuntu 20.04LTS with Unity desktop, is there a way to customize desktop themes? It doesn't appear to be editable in the Unity Tweak Tool anymore


[00:55] <rockey> good evening lads.. i have some sort of situation with maas 2.0 on ubuntu xenial lts.. system drives is arranged in different orders, even on the same models with the same bios configurations
[00:56] <rockey> when trying to boot after deployment is "almost finished, just the last bit left", i get [warn] no mbr magic shittyness, which right now drives me crazy
[00:57] <rockey> i specify in maas that device with X size should be sda and should contain this specified partition setup, next device should be left alone without any partitions at all
[00:57] <rockey> this is some sort of 50/50 scenario right now on about 10 hosts in my lab environment
[00:57] <rockey> anyone had this problem before?
[03:16] <mup> Bug #1627419 opened: [ipv6] ephemeral kernel fails to shutdown <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627419>
[04:33] <samba35> do i require local hardisk on client system for maas client deployment ?
[04:33] <spaok> my guess is yes
[04:34] <spaok> I think you need a root disk defined to deploy
[04:35] <samba35> thanks ,
[04:35] <spaok> rockey: what type of severs?
[04:35] <spaok> servers even
[04:36] <samba35> can i use sd card ?
[04:36] <spaok> should, mine show up as disks
[04:36] <spaok> can even software raid them
[04:37] <samba35> if local hardisk is require then what is purpose of maas server ? just deploy installation ?
[04:37] <spaok> maas is a provisioner
[04:38] <spaok> like cobbler
[04:38] <samba35> i am as a blind person judge elephant
[04:38] <spaok> what are you trying to do?
[04:40] <samba35> trying to deploy server with may be wtong idea that my diskless machine will act as a server ,and i can acess same server in cloud
[04:41] <samba35> be wrong idea ....
[04:41] <samba35> did u deploy maas server ?
[04:41] <spaok> ya
[04:41] <spaok> but maas is a tool
[04:41] <samba35> with local harddisk
[04:42] <spaok> ya, I run MAAS 1.9.3 in a KVM instance and the new MAAS 2.0 in a LXD container
[04:42] <samba35> ok
[04:42] <spaok> it's basically a PXE server
[04:43] <spaok> you can do some fun things with it, but to me, at its core is a PXE server
[04:43] <samba35> cool
[04:43] <samba35> i am also trying same
[04:43] <spaok> we use it to boot racks of servers, deploy the OS and trigger a puppet run
[04:43] <samba35> what hardware is require /do u have
[04:44] <spaok> you can probably run it on a raspberry pi if you wanted, but we use Dell R630's right now
[04:44] <samba35> for maas ,lxd and juju 4 ram is ok ?
[04:44] <spaok> well, are you doing multiple servers? or one?
[04:44] <samba35> one
[04:44] <spaok> if you use one server you can just use juju and the local provider for LXD
[04:45] <spaok> no maas needed
[04:45] <samba35> ic
[04:45] <spaok> then juju will create containers
[04:46] <samba35> ok
[04:46] <spaok> see https://www.stgraber.org/2016/06/06/lxd-2-0-lxd-and-juju-1012/
[04:46] <spaok> bootstrap against localhost will be juju lxd
[04:48] <spaok> maas is more for when you have pools of servers you want to deploy apps to, it's possible to run everything on one server but it's a little tricky
[04:48] <samba35> is it u r blog ?
[04:48] <spaok> nope, just something I had open when I was testing stuff
[04:48] <samba35> ok
[04:48] <spaok> i'm trying the new 2.0 features
[04:49] <samba35> for lxd it require its own bridge /interface ?
[04:49] <spaok> ya
[04:49] <samba35> like docker ?
[04:49] <spaok> it will auto create it
[04:49] <spaok> ya , basically the same concepts
[04:50] <samba35> ok
[04:50] <spaok> there's differences between docker and lxd, but networking wise out of the box they are basically the same
[04:52] <samba35> brb
[04:52] <samba35> sorry
[05:08] <ComputerAdam-noo> hi
[05:09] <ComputerAdam-noo> my rack controller had no dhcpd check mark, is that why im not getting my server to boot from pxe?
[05:10] <ComputerAdam-noo>   dhcpd    dhcpd6
[05:25] <spaok> ya probably
[05:26] <spaok> go to networks
[05:26] <spaok> click on the untagged vlan
[05:26] <spaok> then take action -> enable dhcp
[05:26] <spaok> took me a bit to figure that one also
[05:28] <ComputerAdam-noo> thanks! should I turn off DHCP on my router?
[05:28] <ComputerAdam-noo> first?
[05:41] <spaok> probably a good idea
[05:41] <spaok> think you can tell maas to use an external DHCP, but haven't tried it
[05:46] <ComputerAdam-noo> yup so dhcp didnt turn on bacause of routers dhcp.. im just configuring this at home.
[05:46] <spaok> it should turn on no matter what, just questionable about which DHCP would see the requests first
[05:47]  * spaok would think
[06:11] <ComputerAdam-noo> since I have an airport extreme and there is no way to turn off dhcp, i just turned it on the MAAS server and got my vmachine to boot w pxe
[06:12] <spaok> if they bridged on the same machine then ya it should work ok
[06:17] <samba35> can i use usb pendrive as a hardisk ? to deploy maas client ?
[06:20] <spaok> if you mean a client that PXE boots against MAAS and uses USB pendrive it should
[06:23] <samba35> for local storage /alternative to harddisk
[06:52] <mup> Bug #1627441 opened: MAAS 2.0 - CentOS 7 deployment failed <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627441>
[10:33] <rockey> spaok: i found a solution, some fucker at the hardware place didnt follow instructions of puting right disk in the right place
[10:34] <rockey> spaok: so sda was different due to motherboard hdd slot order
[14:44] <echeadle> I just installed maas and I am trying to get things to work.  I wanted to turn on dhcp from the command line. I log into the node fine but when I try to use the maas $PROFILE node-groups command it tells me there is no command. What am i doing wrong?  I am reading from the 2.0 version of documentation.
[19:03]  * D4RKS1D3 Hi


[03:10] <Phanes> helloi
[03:10] <Phanes> can you please reign in your operator
[03:10] <bazhang> hi
[03:11] <bazhang> I opened a PM with you, but here is better
[03:11] <Phanes> your behaviour just now was bizarrely inappropriate for such a politely phrased question
[03:11] <Phanes> can you please chill out
[03:12] <bazhang> Phanes, you were asked repeatedly to stay on topic, just kept posting that
[03:12] <Phanes> i was not asked repeatedly
[03:12] <bazhang> Phanes, then you missed it
[03:12] <Phanes> however i do recall the last time i was in this channel you misrepresented the interaction then as well (i use a bouncer that logs)
[03:13] <bazhang> Phanes, it's not a matter of logs, the channel is publically logged
[03:13] <Phanes> here is the interaction in its entirety in proper context: http://paste.silogroup.org/amuqirepiw.swift
[03:13] <Phanes> right its a matter of maintaining reporting integrity when discussing interpersonal issues that you clearly have and have had for months
[03:13] <bazhang> !1984 > Phanes
[03:14] <Phanes> simply pointing out that the logs are public while misrepresenting their contents is not appropriate
[03:15] <bazhang> Phanes, any political campaign as such you mention is oh so very clearly offtopic for a support channel such as #ubuntu
[03:15] <Phanes> out of the way the now two established facts that (1) i was not asked repeatedly and (2) the ban was both immediate and inappropriate and in response to polite approach on a question for where it would be on topic, I am asking that you release it and in the future warn first
[03:16] <bazhang> Phanes, after your initial post, multiple support members indicated that you were offtopic, and you just kept posting, even at greater length
[03:16] <Phanes> that is a lie
[03:16] <Phanes> please see the logs
[03:16] <Phanes> sorry i dont know why you're doing this
[03:16] <bazhang> Phanes, multiple requests is warnings to get back on topic
[03:17] <Phanes> i made two statements, both politely, and both were a question about where i should ask
[03:17] <Phanes> do you deny this?
[03:18] <bazhang> Phanes, after the first you were told by multiple folks to stay ontopic, warned repeatedly, besides the fact that you know full well that is so completely offtopic for a Linux OS support channel
[03:18] <Phanes> i am going to paste the timestamped comments because that's not what happened
[03:18] <Phanes> this was my first question:
 not sure if this is the right place, direct to proper place if so; is canonical participating in BDS?
[03:18] <Phanes> one replier said:
 I don't think this is the appropiate place to ask about that
[03:19] <Phanes> yours was:
 Phanes, how is that remotely topical here
[03:19] <Phanes> someone said: <oerheks> oh, no politics. i was thinking of ubuntuBSD, a dead project
[03:19] <Phanes> you said: <bazhang> lets get back to support and skip the offtopic chatter here please
[03:20] <Phanes> and i said: <Phanes> it is not antisemetic it is actually a very moral campaign against genocidal apartheid and is highly relevant in tech culture due to the number of entities with interactions with that government.  if it's off-topic that's fine, i would like to know the proper place to ask canonical about it
[03:20] <Phanes> and then you immediately opped up and set a quiet
[03:21] <Phanes> my statement was actually in direct reply to: <KDDLB> Germany recently declared the BDS movement anti-Semitic
[03:21] <Phanes> in any case, i was very polite, not repetitively being warned as you represented it, and did not repeatedly follow up
[03:21] <Phanes> and this is documented clearly in my timestamped logs as well as your channel's public logs
[03:21] <Phanes> that point made, i would like to see your elaboration on why you are representing it that way instead of how it happened
[03:22] <Phanes> and to add context here, I will need a moment to find the logs from the last time we had an interaction like this in ##linux-ops where you were admonished for engaging in similar misrepresentations
[03:23] <Phanes> While I'm doing that, do you have anything to say?
[03:31] <hggdh> Phanes: you *know* #ubuntu is a support channel. You *know* politics, sex, football preferences, are *not* on topic
[03:31] <Phanes> Do you know what month that was?  Was that in January?
[03:31] <Phanes> hggdh, again i apologize, i was more asking where to ask than asking
[03:32] <Phanes> i think the trigger was a little loose there given the nature of how the request was made
[03:33] <Phanes> it is a delicate topic anyway i should have known better and will not bring it up again in channel.  i probably can google around for a mailing list that might have thoughts on it.
[03:49] <Phanes> Is everybody cool now here?
[03:55] <Phanes> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[04:16] <bazhang> Phanes, you are unquieted
[04:17] <Phanes> thanks.  i hope you feel better soon.
[04:17] <bazhang> ?
[20:12] <elky> bazhang_: hi