[01:54] <IrcsomeBot1> bootygoon was added by: bootygoon
 Been distro hopping for a hot minute now for my 12" x280 and damn kubuntu feels home.
[04:09] <IrcsomeBot1> Jose Scarano was added by: Jose Scarano
[04:58] <IrcsomeBot1> njse22 was added by: njse22
[08:15] <IrcsomeBot1> <First Name (required) Last Name (optional)> Kde plasma 5.20 released
[08:16] <IrcsomeBot1> <First Name (required) Last Name (optional)> Will it be shown in updates or it will be as a whole new kubuntu version
 Might be in backports ppa in a few months, but otherwise you need to wait for 21.04
 Hey, I have an issue where after some time the os is on the speakers stop working, not the built in ones or headphones work. They're fixed again after a reboot … Any idea what it might be
[09:02] <Maik> @mx_tom by the time 21.04 comes out there might be Plasma 5.21
[09:04] <Maik> @First Name (required) Last Name (optional) if you want the newest KDE Plasma stuff faster go Neon or rolling release instead. Just my 2 cents
[09:04] <Maik> or compile it yourself :)
[09:26] <IrcsomeBot1> <Dr Gonzo> Using latest
[09:27] <IrcsomeBot1> <Dr Gonzo> don't use threads
 How to put GrubBootloader themes and how to manage them?
[11:21] <Maik> @SharGen19 iirc you could do that with grubcustomizer but it last release was 2 years ago, so i guess it isn't being actively developed anymore.
 Basically you could place the theme everywhere, but usually you would put it in /usr/share/grub/themes/, and then edit /etc/default/grub to change the line GRUB_THEME="/usr/share/grub/themes/themefolder/theme.txt" so it points to your theme, then run update-grub
 Use grub customiser to install themes and do other customization in grub.
 It it supported and continuously  developed till date.
 https://launchpad.net/grub-customizer
 You can read the latest bug report and fixes on above link.
[12:31] <Maik> @sammy_v is it? last release was 2018-10-13
[12:33] <Maik> that being said it doesn't look like it's being continuously developed
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 @Maik, That is the current series. It works
 Don't treat desktop and utility app development at par.
 A utility app with small set of features need not have a new release every few months or year.
[12:46] <IrcsomeBot1> amit15334 was added by: amit15334
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/W0rL9Rfk/file_37933.png
[12:52] <user|37193> Hi
[12:52] <user|37193> any recommended anti virus for kubuntu?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> !virus
[12:53] <BluesKaj> user|37193,^
[13:24] <salvatore> hi
[13:28] <tomreyn> hi salvatore
[14:29] <joan> asd
[14:29] <joan> Hola??
[14:29] <joan> Hello Wordls :D
[14:29] <joan> Iam Form venezuela.
 https://store.kde.org/p/1414997/
 https://t.me/linux_gaming/436502
 can anyone download it and send it here
 im having bad gateway
 unable to download
 @user|37193, Clamav
[15:15] <oerheks> Shargen19 then get it from github, url is on the same page?
[15:17] <tomreyn> pankajsg: could you please limit your nickname change rate while on this channel (you could just leave and rejoin later)?
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/gCvJuCLf/file_37938.jpg
 downloaded from repo
 but having this error
[15:21] <tomreyn> you misspelled "install"
[15:21] <tomreyn> and no one here has proof checked what this installer does
 f
 no wait
 install?
 i didnt misspelled ig
[15:23] <oerheks> .. clean your glasses? sudo ./intsall.sh
[15:24] <Maik> seriously....
 shargen@shargen-Vostro-3558:~/Downloads/sleek--themes-master/Sleek theme-orange$ sudo ./intsall.sh … sudo: ./intsall.sh: command not found
[15:25] <oerheks> lolz
[15:25] <Maik> as said you misspelled it
[15:25] <Maik> intsall
[15:25] <Maik> install
[15:25] <Maik> see it now?
[15:26] <tomreyn> or maybe your computer just does not want your to execute this script.
[15:26] <tomreyn> *you
 shargen@shargen-Vostro-3558:~/Downloads/sleek--themes-master/Sleek theme-orange$ sudo ./install.sh … [sudo] password for shargen:  … Sorry, try again. … [sudo] password for shargen:  … sudo: ./install.sh: command not found … shargen@shargen-Vostro-3558:~/Downloads/sleek--themes-master/Sleek theme-orange$
[15:27] <tomreyn> so now it's either not executable, or you're in the wrong directory
[15:28] <tomreyn> (or both)
 uhm
[15:30] <oerheks> ls # would show the files in that folder
[15:30] <oerheks> but you can use your filemanager too
 ~/Downloads/sleek--themes-master/Sleek theme-orange$
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/gKNHavNh/file_37939.jpg
[15:31] <tomreyn> so it's probably not executable then
[15:31] <oerheks> click on install.sh, right mouse > properties > make exacutable
 @oerheks> click on install.sh, right mouse > properties , did
[15:32] <tomreyn> have you reviewed this script which you plan to run as root, to ensure it doesn't harm your computer or capture your root password to send it elsewhere?
 but nothing poped up
 https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1414997/
[15:33] <tomreyn> s/root password/users' (sudo) password/
 ?
[15:34] <tomreyn> if you intend to see the output produced by a script, you'll need to run it in a terminal
 oh
 but its not running on terminla
 oh no wait
 ig after i made it executable, its running on terminal
[15:38] <tomreyn> a miracle!
 https://stationhq.com/
 Anyone using this app??
 No! Nein! Нет!
[16:04] <gildemir> Alguém para tirar dúvida?
 @SharGen19, Haha man in hurry
 Why don't you try out themes, windows decorations, etc from discover store instead of using third party store.
 This way error and problems will reduce almost zero
 I have observed that you prefer to install software from outside sources which are not tested for kubuntu.
 There are hundreds of  tested themes, plasma add-ons, applications etc in kde store. Try them first.
[17:22] <IrcsomeBot1> cstemmle was added by: cstemmle
 Hi, can someone help me figure out why my display keeps getting black after some idle time? In "Screen Energy Saving" in System Settings -> Power Management is disabled.
[17:35] <PadraigD> I've run into problems with the 20.04 LTS Ubuntu. Lost LibreOffice algorithms (script.xlb, dialog.xlb) and some purported mis-sequenced IO files leaving me without audio. Also, unable to recognise a blank DVD. SO, Does Kubuntu 20.04 kernel have the same problems and, if not, is there an online upgrade or installation channel available?
[17:42] <l_r> hi guys
[17:44] <l_r> stupid question, but apparently I cannot find any tool as simple as I need. I need one tool which allows me to draw parallelipids and export the result in .eps. can you help me?
[17:46] <l_r> like in this image: https://neurohive.io/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/vgg16-1-e1542731207177.png
[17:54] <oerheks> Inkscape should be able to handle .esp, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/111668/what-is-the-command-to-display-eps-files
[17:54] <oerheks> !info inkscape
[17:57] <l_r> it's incredibly difficult to draw those shapes in inkscape. I need the shapes in axometry
[17:57] <l_r> the same "perspective" as in the above picture
 If can't find a tool, you could "program" the picture, e.g. using matplotlib
 @cstemmle, Check hibernation setting. It might be hibernating.
 @sammy_v, you mean the PC? No its not hibernating, it is just the display
 Gpu driver issue
 Driver might be failing.
 Check system logs.
 To confirm
 I see a lot of messages like this `org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xcb.helper: RRNotify_OutputChange`
 @cstemmle, Did you check the setrings of the monitor? Some have energy saver settings
 @bauchhaus, Yes this is also possible
 <tomreyn> Guest_43: visit https://paste.ubuntu.com and paste your text
 @bauchhaus, The problem is new, the monitor not. It didn't do this before
 Use above link to paste system log copy and share it here.
 @cstemmle, Some program might be changing the resolution which goes out of bounds for your monitor capability.
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BS467szF2h/ … I made some arbitrary cut from the journalclt output, most of this stuff repeats
 Something is changing your display output.
 kscreen.xrandr: Change Screen Size: true Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: Old: QSize(1920, 1080) Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: Intermediate: QSize(3200, 1080) Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: New: QSize(3200, 1080) Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: Disable outputs: true Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: (88) Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu
[18:50] <IrcsomeBot1> org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: Change outputs: false Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: Enable outputs: true Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: (85, 87) Oct 17 18:10:41 kubu org.kde.KScreen[1722]: kscreen.xrandr: RRSetCrtcConfig (disable output)
 Resolution is changing.
 Open services manager and check which program are running in memory. One of them is changing the resolution.
 Use this command from terminal to check display journal messages
 journalctl -b -xep 0..4
 It will display all warnings and errors since boot.
 does this service manager have a process name, so I know how to open the correct thing?
 Go in settings and find service manager.
 Click and open it.
 "Background Services"?
 It will take some time to probe and display all program and services running in memory.
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8MRbf4dg/file_37948.png
 @sammy_v, Your display output is getting disabled.
 @cstemmle, Those are only startup services.
 @sammy_v, Yes, and I am puzzled what it might be
 Something is causing your output to switch off.
 @sammy_v, yes, this is why I think this is not what you mean by "services manager"
 Please check the monitor cables, they might be loose.
 @sammy_v, all fine. also, this would not explain why this never happens when I am at the PC
 This is a possibility. Better we check.
 Damaged twisted cable can also cause such error.
 Go to system setting and check for service manager.
 @sammy_v, As I have shown in the screen shot, there is not "service manger" in my system settings
 @cstemmle, You are running multiple screens?
 @sammy_v, To fix this, I can only search for another cable as replacement and observe.
 I can see kscreen 2 in services...
 @sammy_v, I have 3 connected, but only 1 is used currently
 the otther 2 are switched off
 If yes, remove the secondary monitor and observe.
 but this never was a problem
 @cstemmle, Ok, try switching cables.
 Another possibility, if you have any high resolution game paused and  minimised, it might be the issue.
 @sammy_v, before my display got disabled yes, but not while it happened
 https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=166224
 Check above link. There are some related black screen issue.
 Maybe you find your solution.
 It 1am here. I am going to sleep.
 Good night.
 thanks, I will observe connecting the display via DP instead of HDMI
[20:52] <faLUCE> hello, when "except WindowsError as e"  how can I print the cause of the error as string?
[20:55] <faLUCE> sorry, wrong channel
[20:56] <who> Hi
 I just upgraded from 20.04 to 20.10 and now I have an IBus Preferences on my tray area. Is that normal/intended?
 I also have IBus on my 20.10 upgrade (installed automatically).
[23:04] <valorie> ah, I do as well in GG
[23:04] <valorie> to be clear, Groovy is not yet 20.10 -- it will be after release


[05:52] <hobo666> how do I login?
[05:55] <hobo666> First timer.  I can see that I didn't log out correctly, b/c my real nick (dan63043) is still there.  Op, could you kick that?
[06:05] <Ashfire908> Can I set up a Edubuntu LTSP Server with the server cd (and kernel for the server itself) instead of the alternate cd?
[06:46] <johnny> sure.. isntallthe proper packages
[06:46] <johnny> there's a quick install doc on the ubunu wiki
[19:01] <Ashfire908> Is there a way to do ltsp-build-client and not have to (re)download all the packages?
[19:12] <Ashfire908> I have a very slow internet connection and it's going to take forever.
[19:13] <johnny> there's a way
[19:13] <johnny> i just don't know it
[19:15] <Ashfire908> I have the edubuntu addon, ubuntu desktop, alternate and server, xubuntu alternate cds.
[19:16] <Ashfire908> And some cached packages on y desktop and server.
[19:22] <Ashfire908> Was ltsp-build-client made specially for ubuntu?
[19:24] <johnny> it has plugins for many distros
[19:26] <Ashfire908> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/BuildLTSPWithAptCacher
[19:33] <Ashfire908> I'll just set up apt-proxy and import everything.
[21:12] <juliux> ogra: ping
[23:02] <Ashfire908> Is there a way to set a proxy for apt to use when getting files for ltsp-build-client?
[23:14] <Ashfire908> nvm


[06:27] <dholbach> good morning
[14:51] <BaLeafar> :) lookin forward to the Q'n'A
[14:54] <JoseeAntonioR> BaLeafar: you mean, the Jono Q&A? :)
[14:54] <BaLeafar> Sure :)
[14:55] <JoseeAntonioR> BaLeafar: just so you know, there's a Mark Q&A c
[14:55] <JoseeAntonioR> that's in about an hour at #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[14:55] <BaLeafar> Very nice! Mr. Shuttleworth from ISS. Will join!
[18:43] <jono> hey, who has ubuntu on air access here?
[18:44] <jono> I just realized a lost the credentials since I changed computers
[18:44] <jono> philipballew, you have it?
[18:47] <icoop> Klingons don't do backups ... ;-)
[18:53] <crhrabal> jono, still doing a session today?
[18:53] <jono> crhrabal, yep
[18:55] <philipballew> jono, jose should
[18:55] <jono> I am good now
[18:55] <jono> thanks!
[18:56] <philipballew> no problem
[19:01] <FlyingPig> hi
[19:01] <extraymond> cool!
[19:01] <Baleafar> yes
[19:01] <netcurli> hi
[19:01] <Prophecy> yes
[19:01] <FlyingPig> no i cant see or hear you
[19:01] <extraymond> yes
[19:01] <netcurli> yes, we can see you
[19:01] <PaulW2U> we can see u
[19:02] <readthis> yep hi
[19:02] <crhrabal> you are live
[19:02] <Baleafar> yes we can
[19:02] <extraymond> lol FlyinPig
[19:02] <Debaru> Yes it working
[19:02] <DS_McGuire> YES
[19:02] <brittyazel> yes
[19:02] <ejsanchez> Yes!
[19:03] <Debaru> YES !!
[19:03] <FlyingPig> No
[19:03] <FlyingPig> :D
[19:03] <Tisch22> How do you think the new generation of technology is going to push forward the new age?
[19:03] <icoop> yes
[19:03] <readthis> yes but the video is bad for me, maybe thats my connection :/
[19:03] <Marcus> yes
[19:03] <Marcus> Lags a bit
[19:03] <Prophecy> lag?
[19:06] <spieletipper> Can I donate Ubuntu some Money, or it isn't work ???
[19:06] <Tisch22> QUESTION: How do you think the new generation of technology is going to push forward the new age?
[19:06] <sebsebseb> hi
[19:06] <DS_McGuire> QUESTION: What are you views on having a login option for Unity 8 in 13.10?
[19:06] <spieletipper> Can I donate Ubuntu some Money, or it isn't work ???
[19:06] <Marcus> QUESTION: What is Canonical?
[19:07] <extraymond> QUESTION: What do you think about firefox os and anything.me?
[19:07] <spieletipper> Can I donate Ubuntu some Money, or it isn't work ???
[19:07] <ntg> QUESTION is unity 8 available in any repos yet?
[19:07] <Debaru> QUESTION : Firefox or Chromium. What's your opinion ?
[19:07] <spieletipper> QUESTION Can I donate Ubuntu some Money, or it isn't work ???
[19:07] <number22> hello everyone
[19:07] <brittyazel> QUESTION: It seems lately that the ubuntu desktop is being ignored in lou of Ubuntu touch. How will the desktop be enhanced by the Ubuntu touch developments in the future? And how many more releases until we will see a real exciting desktop release?
[19:07] <spieletipper> QUESTION: Can I donate Ubuntu some Money, or it isn't work ???
[19:08] <Tisch22> QUESTION: How do you think the new generation of technology is going to push forward the new age?
[19:08] <CaseyB> What's the state of Ubuntu Phone? I installed on my Galaxy Nexus and can't wait for a fully functional build!
[19:08] <odysseywestra> QUESTION: what are you thoughts about ubuntu to maybe switching to Chromium?
[19:08] <mirtis123> QUESTION:which version beter 12.04 or 13.04?
[19:09] <micah2> QUESTION: I would eventually really like to have a tablet running Ubuntu Touch where I can both play and get work done. I don't need anything right away, is the Nexus 10 going to be the best way to go? I'd rather buy something that will put $$ in Canonical's hands.
[19:09] <RxSunset> QUESTION: What are your favorite programs to use on Ubuntu?
[19:09] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Why did you move to the US?
[19:10] <number22> QUESTION: classic one, guitar today?
[19:10] <Avin> QUESTION: The Ubuntu Phone OS available this month end will contain email app and will it be possible to load existing ubuntu apps in the market (skype is priority).
[19:11] <r0b0ticus> QUESTION: who would win in a fight, you or Mark Shuttleworth?
[19:11] <computer_geek> QUESTION any idea when the ubuntu phone with dock will be available for buying as customer or developer?
[19:11] <Marcus> QUESTION: What is Canonical?
[19:11] <CaseyB> QUESTION:What's the state of Ubuntu Phone? I installed on my Galaxy Nexus and can't wait for a fully functional build!
[19:12] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  Not sure if anyone has asked you this one before: Do you have any pets?  I get the impression that your probably not much of a pets person.
[19:13] <icoop> QUESTION: How was it going with your LED belt buckle and what did you put on it finaly?
[19:13] <smasher666> QUESTION: KDE or Gnome?
[19:13] <trinky> QUESTION: Why did Ubuntu seemingly abandon Ubuntu for Android? It makes people worry about adopting the Ubuntu OS on their mobile devices for fear you will abandon them too..
[19:13] <Kouakou> QUESTION: why is Ubuntu going to Mir??
[19:13] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: How much money does Mark have?
[19:13] <mirtis123> which is better ubuntu version to use ? i have downloaded 12.04 lts unity and 13.04 gnome which better?
[19:14] <extraymond> oh... everyhing.me... lol
[19:15] <DS_McGuire> QUESTION: There have been lots of rumours about Firefox being replaced by Chromium in 13.10... Can you shed any light on this?
[19:15] <klaunert> QUESTION: Do you use a Galaxy Nexus oder a Nexus 4 for Ubuntu Phone? Is there a technical reason for your choice?
[19:16] <Boza> QUESTION: I want to help. What's the best way to contribute to Ubuntu?
[19:16] <ejsanchez> QUESTION: Are you going to speak at OSCON this year?
[19:18] <Avin> QUESTION: Why we should prefer Ubuntu Phone OS against Tizen? as Tizen is staright from Linux Foundation, Intel and Samsung (notably)
[19:19] <brunogirin> QUESTION: presumably performance and battery life improvements on the phone will also benefit the desktop?
[19:19] <mirtis123> QUESTION: which is better ubuntu version to use ? i have downloaded 12.04 lts unity and 13.04 gnome which better?
[19:20] <CaseyB> QUESTION: Can you tell us more about the switch to Waylan?
[19:20] <brittyazel> QUESTION: with unity 8 becoming less dependent on gnome/gtk, will we see gnome dependencies dropped for unity8? Will we see file managers and applications and efault apps that run on QT rather than gtk?
[19:20] <DS_McGuire> QUESTION: Do you run Ubuntu on a laptop? And if so what model and make?
[19:20] <schwejk2> QUESTION: So on G+ the Ubuntu Community is now larger than the generic Linux community. Do you think that Ubuntu has become "it's own thing" already and kind of transcends it's Linux roots?
[19:21] <crhrabal> QUESTION: Although I love Unity and Unity Next separately, and really enjoy the concept of converging into one codebase, don't you think the concept of making a touch-based ui for the desktop makes Unity 8 very comparable to a Windows 8?
[19:24] <OhHeyItsLou> Will Ubuntu phone be based on Cyanogenmod or will it finally bring a modern native linux OS to our phones?
[19:26] <extraymond> QUESTION:Any idea to include ubuntu-preinstalled machines in ubuntu.com?
[19:27] <number22> QUESTION: does dogfood'ed ubuntu phone includes updates from wi-fi, or phablet-flash everyday
[19:29] <ubuntourist> QUESTION: What's the latest on accessibility features (e.g. HTML5 WebVTT) on the Ubuntu phone?
[19:30] <wololo> do you think ubuntu phone can help bringing ubuntu desktop into mainstream?
[19:31] <dshimer> Cheers, thanks, heading for UUPC
[19:31] <computer_geek> QUESTION personal: jackd or pulse?
[19:31] <lemasney> QUESTION how did you first find success with programming? What hooked you?
[19:32] <UbuntuKid> Is there any progress towards an Ubuntu version for tablets?
[19:32] <Marcus> QUESTION: How can I become apart of the Ubuntu / Canonical Team?
[19:35] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Are you going to rock for us today at the end?
[19:37] <number22> QUESTION: is that a bass sitting on couch
[19:39] <Kouakou> thanks for the answer ... makes it clear .. will sstop wishing for wyland .. and thanks for not butchering my name
[19:39] <scottbpc> An assload - nice :D
[19:39] <lemasney> http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/05/14/unity-8-running-on-mir-on-a-galaxy-nexus/ may have been the link Jono was talking about.
[19:42] <micah2> QUESTION: I'm working on an Ubuntu touch application which for the most part will be a port of an existing project written in Python. I'm trying to use JS, but in the interest of time, I may be better off with bringing in the existing python code. Will that create problems down the road?
[19:43] <Guest15928> Question: Are you familiar with the programming language X10 that is currently in development by IBM?
[19:44] <wololo> QUESTION do you think ubuntu phone can help bringing ubuntu desktop into mainstream?
[19:46] <Kleverson> QUESTION: Any way to make Ubuntu better on touchscreen notebooks as of today?
[19:47] <scottbpc> Thinkpads! I know that feeling. Must be sausage fingers.
[19:47] <brunogirin> \o/ Thinkpads!
[19:48] <Kleverson> QUESTION: Any way to make Ubuntu better on touchscreen notebooks as of today?
[19:48] <Kleverson> Ops, sorry, duplicate
[19:48] <Kleverson> I pressed up button, sorry folks
[19:49] <Kleverson> QUESTION: When will Unity 8 be available for testing (via a PPA or something)?
[19:49] <sebsebseb> hmm video went down
[19:49] <sebsebseb> competly for me
[19:49] <sebsebseb> anyone else ?
[19:50] <sebsebseb> ok got it back
[19:50] <sebsebseb> been having issues today with it
[19:50] <sebsebseb> had to re laod a lot etc
[19:50] <scottbpc> sebsebseb: Mine's dropped a couple of times too alright
[19:50] <Kleverson> Mine is fine here
[19:50]  * sebsebseb has had a lot of issues with it today
[19:50] <Spirits-Sight> I would like to know, how is Ubuntu accessibility for those that are Blind with Unity, and now Ubuntu Touch?
[19:53] <ubuntourist> QUESTION: How much does a hobbyist make? ;-)
[19:54] <Spirits-Sight> Will Ubuntu sponsor do a live Q&A about accessibility being the focus?
[19:54] <piedoggie> yes, accessibility is extremely important and heavily neglected
[19:55] <sebsebseb> yep base guitar
[19:56] <number22> +1 for bass
[19:56] <computer_geek> +bass
[19:57] <FlyingPig> +1
[19:57] <Kleverson> QUESTION: How long until we have better touchscreen for Ubuntu? Not about Unity, but there's still no zooming and scrolling on most apps.
[19:57] <icoop> +1
[19:57] <ubuntourist> You referred to yourself as a "hobbyist" ;-)
[19:57] <Spirits-Sight> WHAT happen to my question?
[19:57] <ubuntourist> +1 for bass.
[19:57] <Spirits-Sight> I asked two quesitons
[19:59] <KD> Woohoo. As we're on the topic of bass guitars, anyone familiar with FLCL? ;)
[19:59] <Spirits-Sight> Will Ubuntu sponsor do a live Q&A about accessibility being the focus?  Also I would like to know, how is Ubuntu accessibility for those that are Blind with Unity, and now Ubuntu Touch?
[19:59] <number22> Spirits-Sight: you probably forgot typing QUESTION in the beginning of your question
[20:00] <extraymond> QUESTION: In ubuntu-touch demo ubuntu used gimp icon to represent photo-editing ability, does this means that gimp is accessible  in ubuntu-touch? And what about the other existing apps in the repo?
[20:00] <Spirits-Sight> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu sponsor do a live Q&A about accessibility being the focus?  Also I would like to know, how is Ubuntu accessibility for those that are Blind with Unity, and now Ubuntu Touch?
[20:00] <KD> Yep
[20:00] <Kouakou> yes
[20:00] <sebsebseb> yep
[20:01] <thohi> Question:Any plan have to release Ubuntu Touch developer version CD or DVD. Because slow internet connection country like mine need full package DVD for request.
[20:01] <Kleverson> QUESTION: Play Primus
[20:02] <KD> Nice
[20:02] <Microxide> Yeah! Play some music with slap!
[20:02] <extraymond> thx!!
[20:03] <piedoggie> I'm also getting annoyed at how he is dodging the accessibility question.
[20:03] <piedoggie> My hands are broken used speech recognition, and I need some bridge from NaturallySpeaking Windows to Ubuntu
[20:03] <Kleverson> piedoggie: Use the QUESTION: tag
[20:04] <extraymond> piedoggie: Use the QUESTION: tag
[20:04] <piedoggie> question: Ubuntu has minimalist accessibility support done the "wrong way". How can we get a conversation going with people at Ubuntu I'm doing accessibility better
[20:05] <piedoggie> that should be on doing accessibility better.
[20:54] <kapsidi> yes
[21:04] <Shark> Why Does Ubuntu Mobile Require So Much RAM (4GB) To Even Run?
[23:36] <CSRedRat> Hello from Russia!


[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> Hello ops, could someone please help with the spammer/off-topic<EMAIL_ADDRESS>aka gislaved. Thank you
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> hggdh: You're probably going to need to ban them
[22:55] <hggdh> perhaps. Again, the benefit of doubt
[22:56] <hggdh> going to walk the dog now, will be back in ~25 min
[22:56] <pragmaticenigma> he's already at it again
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> thank you


[22:36] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/orca.out
[22:36] <AlanBell> that is the output from orca when doing an install
[23:51] <Fudge> hi does anyone know how I can configure the workspace switching for oneiric so apps only appear on the workspaces they are on?
[23:53] <Fudge> good idea  AlanBell  capturing the output
[23:53] <AlanBell> Fudge: there is an option in the ccsm preferences for unity to favour apps on the current workspace
[23:54] <Fudge> ok ill find it
[23:56] <Fudge> AlanBell  how can i get to the options?
[23:56] <Fudge> do not see it in system
[23:57] <AlanBell> um, one sec
[23:58] <AlanBell> ok, do you have compizconfig-settings-manager?
[23:58] <AlanBell> ccsm is the executable
[23:59] <AlanBell> in there are settings for various compiz plugins, one is the ubuntu unity plugin
[23:59] <Fudge> only in /usr/share/csm and it does not seem to be installed


[00:07] <log|in> im trying to install ubuntu studio with wubi but it dosent detect the iso. any ideas of how to get it to work?
[00:09] <acerimmer> install ubuntu then install the studio add-ons
[00:09] <log|in> its just in the normal repository?
[00:10] <acerimmer> http://ubuntustudio.org/
[00:10] <acerimmer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[00:11] <acerimmer> second link: see installation/upgrade
[00:11] <log|in> ya
[00:11] <log|in> i found it
[00:11] <log|in> thanks
[05:02] <tucemiux> ok i just installed ubuntustudio-desktop, how do I install the real time kernel?
[05:04] <tucemiux> forget it, it's done -- time for  a reboot
[05:04] <holstein> tucemiux:
[05:04] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[05:04] <holstein> and check out
[05:04] <holstein> !grub2
[05:04] <holstein> :)
[05:05] <tucemiux> holstein, it's already there, im just fixing my hosed installation
[05:05] <holstein> good luck
[05:06] <tucemiux> i have xfce4 but it wont shutdown, it stays stuck trying to take down some network config, the same thing happens to KX Studio virtually O_o
[05:06] <tucemiux> holstein, most likely it'll work, let me reboot my machine, brb
[07:09] <tucemiux> hi ubottu
[07:14] <holstein> !grub2
[07:14] <holstein> !help
[07:14] <holstein> hmmm
[07:15] <tucemiux> wtf
[07:15] <tucemiux> ??
[07:16] <holstein> you can get ubottu to spit out links
[07:16] <holstein> !linux-rt
[07:16] <holstein> !RT
[07:16] <holstein> !vanilla
[07:17] <holstein> im sure it does other stuff too
[07:17] <tucemiux> yup yup
[07:18] <tucemiux> i just wanted to get him to say he's only a bot
[07:18] <holstein> i thought he did
[07:18] <holstein> ubottu: are you human
[07:18] <holstein> AH
[07:18] <tucemiux> aaahhh there you go
[07:22] <makerprofaze> heheh what's going on here?
[07:22] <makerprofaze> !wait
[07:24] <makerprofaze> is ubottu always here?
[07:33] <makerprofaze> !packages
[07:34] <makerprofaze> !d-bus
[07:34] <makerprofaze> !dbus
[07:34] <makerprofaze> !rsync
[18:01] <pauru> Hey guys, does anyone copy??
[18:17] <pauru> Anyone here?


[10:40] <bthomas> Chipaca: Do you know if the environment variable for "is_doomed" is set in the operator pod or the application pod ? I did a kubectl exec to compare difference in operator pod environment variables before and during tear down of a model, but do not see any change.
[10:41] <Chipaca> bthomas: I expect it only to be set in the hook run itself, so you'd need to use debug-hook (or debug-code)
[10:41] <bthomas> thank you
[10:41] <Chipaca> bthomas: that should work in k8s on 2.9
[10:42] <bthomas> got it
[10:43] <Chipaca> bthomas: or, you could always logger.debug(sorted((k, v) for (k, v) in os.environ.items() if 'juju' in k.lower()))
[10:43] <bthomas> yes indeed. thank you
[10:43] <Chipaca> bthomas: or just logger.debug(sorted(os.environ.items()))))))))))) :-p
[10:43] <bthomas> :-)))))))))))
[10:47]  * Chipaca goes back to reviewing stuff
[10:59] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:01] <Chipaca> facubatista: 👋❗
[11:02] <facubatista> hola Chipaca :)
[11:02] <bthomas> hola facubatista
[11:02] <facubatista> hola bthomas :)
[12:26] <JoseMasson> Buongiorno!
[12:31] <bthomas> Morning JoseMasson
[12:31] <bthomas> Google translate says "Buongiorno" is Italian for "Good Morning"
[12:40] <bthomas> Chipaca: Uptil now what I can figure out is when "JUJU_HOOK_NAME" is "remove" the unit will die. I will dig a bit more.
[12:41] <bthomas> However the "remove" hook does not seem to get executed when the model itself is destroyed. So needs a bit more digging.
[12:49] <JoseMasson> bthomas: Yes, today I woke up with my Italian roots very active :P
[13:19]  * bthomas -> lunch
[13:24] <JoseMasson> I am writing a MySQL charm, and need to setup the MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD. What would be a good practice for setting this password without harcoding it in the charm?
[13:25] <JoseMasson> It is possible to send it as a parameter to "juju deploy ...." ?
[13:35]  * bthomas -> back
[16:49] <Chipaca> bthomas: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/tests/suites/relations/charms/departer/hooks/self-relation-departed FWIW
[16:51] <bthomas> Chipaca: ack. I need to figure out why I am not see this in logs
[16:54] <bthomas> I wonder if it could be I need TRACE level logging and not just debug
[17:32] <Chipaca> bthomas: why would that change what you have in the environ?
[17:33] <bthomas> Chipaca: Is it possible the env variable is only transitently set . I need to dig further why I did not see it in my logs with a simple test charm (busybox).
[17:33] <Chipaca> bthomas: … transiently how?
[17:34] <bthomas> Chipaca: I was thinking "unset" but I will admit that is being paranoid :-)
[17:35] <Chipaca> bthomas: env vars don't work that way tho, there is really no way to unset a variable from 'outside' a process
[17:36] <bthomas> Chipaca: the same process that set the variable in the first place can unset it. Anyway I do not think this is the issue. I was just speculating.
[17:37] <Chipaca> bthomas: if process A sets an env var and spawns process B, and then unsets the env var, that unsetting does not affect process B
[17:39] <bthomas> Chipaca: true. But process B here is a single execution (event handler) of the charm. I have did not see the var in on_install on_start on_stop on_config_changed on_update_status . If process A is not setting the var for any of these particular handlers then I will not see. A may have set it for some other handler and then unset it.
[17:40] <Chipaca> bthomas: and relation-departed?
[17:40] <bthomas> Chipaca: Ah good point. I will add a relation-departed and test again.
[17:44] <Chipaca> bthomas: maybe log from __init__, and not a specific handler?
[17:44] <bthomas> Chipaca: I have logger.debug(str(sorted(os.environ.items()))) in all the above handlers and __init__ also
[17:47] <bthomas> Chipaca: May I schedule a short 1:1 for tomorrow around 11am ?
[17:47] <Chipaca> bthomas: sure
[17:52] <Chipaca> bthomas: we can do it earlier also probably, i'll ping you on mattermost if i have a gap
[17:53] <Chipaca> i expect the car thing is going to be a bunch of sitting around waiting for people, but might be pleasently surprised
[17:53] <bthomas> Chipaca: I tried to give you time in case your care woes over runs. But yeah ping me any time.
[18:20]  * Chipaca wanders off to make pascualina
[18:22] <bthomas> Oooh that spinach stuffing looks reeeeally good, reminds me of spinach stromboli
[18:23]  * bthomas EODs but am around for a bit


[14:43] <yano> http://radio.wosu.org/post/rising-columbus-rental-prices-leaves-few-options-low-income-households
[14:43] <jenni> [ Rising Columbus Rental Prices Leaves Few Options For Low-income Households | WOSU Radio ] - https://j.mp/1MlZLe0


[09:57] <solsTiCe> hi. Is there a bug tracker for launchpad itself ? I mean, it is so annoying when looking at bug in launchpad that the text is displayed in 45em column. whereas my browser window is larger than that. It is even worse when looking at stack trace. It is a matter of removing a max-width: 45em css styling. So, can I enter a bug request ?
[09:58] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[09:58] <solsTiCe> cjwatson: ok. thanks
[10:16] <solsTiCe> well, it's not better with very long line to read. IT would be fine if only the stack trace would be wider. may be too complicated
[10:19] <solsTiCe> So I have not entered a bug request after all. http://i.imgur.com/LV6tWw7.png Using a styling extension in my browser
[10:37] <cjwatson> Avoiding having to read very long lines is indeed why the style is the way it is.
[10:37] <cjwatson> You could attach the stack trace as a file, and then it can be downloaded without wrapping modifications.
[13:56] <dobey> yeah, pasting stack traces in the bug description/comment itself is generally quite annoying, because it often makes for a very long description/comment, plus it's not as nice to read. attaching the file gives developers a lot more options for what to do with it
[17:06] <sergio-br2> InvalidHttpResponse: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~libretro/libretro/vecx-libretro/.bzr/branch-format: Unable to handle http code 503: Service Temporarily Unavailable
[17:06] <sergio-br2> it's not my fault, right??
[17:07] <cjwatson> Probably genuinely temporary, since that loads for me.  Did you try more than once?
[17:07] <sergio-br2> let see
[17:08] <sergio-br2> nope, it's automatically
[17:08] <sergio-br2> the recipe
[17:08] <cjwatson> Right, so retry the recipe build?
[17:09] <cjwatson> utopic built fine, after all
[17:10] <cjwatson> Only vivid and trusty failed
[17:59] <bhai> Hello, I need little help
[17:59] <teward> with what?
[17:59] <bhai> when ever I type 'sudo apt-get update' i get error
[18:00] <teward> bhai: not sure that's a #launchpad question, try #ubuntu ?
[18:00] <teward> (and provide more data since "i get error" is ambiguous)
[18:03] <dobey> probably trying to use a ppa that isn't available for the version of ubuntu being used
[18:05] <teward> true, but "i get error" isn't a #launchpad question when related to apt-get update
[18:05] <teward> not unless they have better information like the actual error or apt-get output
[18:05] <teward> bah, stupid VM... doesn't want to do DNS... now I have to /etc/hosts everything >.<
[18:28] <dobey> nah, it's almost never a launchpad question
[18:28] <dobey> probably not really an ubuntu question either though; PPAs do have contact information for the ppa, right on the page
[18:48] <teward> dobey: people are ignorant though.  That's the reason we get so many support questions
[18:49] <teward> dobey: to a point, people just see the errors in the output and complain not knowing they can go to the PPA to get contact info
[18:49] <teward> or in my case, i have in huge print surrounded by asterisks "REPORT A PPA BUG AT https://launchpad.net/teward-ppas/+filebug" for my PPAs (not the nginx ppa)"
[18:49] <teward> but eh
[19:00] <mapreri> the trouble is that people do whatever other people tell them to do, without understanding what they are doing. i doubt most of the ppa users actually know what a ppa is (=archive) and what can happen inside it...
[19:07] <teward> mapreri: indeed.  And I make sure that people who use the nginx PPAs know that they're the same packaging from Debian with a minor tweak so it builds in Ubuntu but you're right
[19:07] <teward> and i notice this a lot - people break systems by using PPAs
[19:08] <teward> not necessarily maliciously, but by accident because testing PPAs or such (my testing / staging PPAs even have that big warning there too, saying DO NOT USE and such but meh)
[21:24] <ricotz> wgrant, good morning, is it possible to speed up a ppa package cleaning and avoid to increase its size?
[21:25] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages
[21:25] <ricotz> (caused by the need to do multiple uploads today)


[05:47] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:21] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:37] <shadeslayer> hey ho
[08:38] <Riddell> such a beautiful horizon
[08:40] <shadeslayer> heh :p
[08:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind doing this test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/317/builds/70677/testcases/1301/results
[08:50] <shadeslayer> I can never get it to work in vbox :/
[09:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw since we're not shipping the nepomuk KCM, do you think we should remove the part of the workspace QA form that says "Nepomuk Disabled"
[09:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on google docs?
[09:28] <shadeslayer> yeah
[09:28] <apachelogger> not worth recycling for this cycle IMO
[09:28] <apachelogger> should ditch it
[09:28] <shadeslayer> why?
[09:28] <apachelogger> overhead was to big
[09:29] <apachelogger> have to go through all sheets and look at the data
[09:29] <apachelogger> really cumbersome
[09:29] <apachelogger> also unless we reset the data when a new version lands it gets confusing
[09:29] <apachelogger> also reseting the data requires manually hopping through the sheets
[09:29] <apachelogger> too much work for non-lts releases if you ask me
[09:30] <apachelogger> oh and in general I'd not spend much time on QA for stable kubuntu
[09:30] <apachelogger> if something breaks it's likely not our fault anyway
[09:49] <shadeslayer> this is most interesting
[09:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: somehow kajongg depends on kdegames-data >= 4.13.2
[09:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: can you please fix that? I think it's some substitution that needs fixing
[09:51] <shadeslayer>  libqt4-sql-sqlite (>= 4.6), kdegames-mahjongg-data, vorbis-tools, kdegames-data (>= ${source:Upstream-Version})
[09:51] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[09:51] <shadeslayer> that makes sense
[09:53] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion massif-visualiser 0.4beta
[09:53] <kubotu> Package massif-visualiser doesn't exist yet!
[09:53] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion kgraphviewer 2.2beta
[09:53] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1334587
[09:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: IIRC there's something blocking kgraphviewer
[09:54] <shadeslayer> eigen or sth
[09:54] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgraphviewer/+bug/1244261
[09:54] <shadeslayer> cgraph
[09:55] <Riddell> should be fixed now
[09:55] <Riddell> the cgraph patch was inluded in this release
[09:55] <shadeslayer> aha cool
[09:59] <shadeslayer> I don't suppose anyone knows where I can find the various subst vars that can be passed into debian/control
[10:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:21] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion plasma-mediacenter 1.3
[10:21] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1334595
[10:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: I'll just drop the versioning for now
[10:28] <shadeslayer> too many changes required to figure out latest version of kdegames-data
[10:28] <shadeslayer> plus it's gone as a dep from kajongg in utopic anyway
[10:42] <Riddell> groovy, alpha 1 good enough to ship
[10:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: are there any release notes?
[10:43] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:43] <shadeslayer> so that's what I was missing yesterday
[10:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know where to put the release announcement with our new wiki
[10:44] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu is traditional
[10:44] <Riddell> but not very elegant
[10:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'd say go with wiki.ubuntu for now
[10:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: put it on ubuntu wiki... as dicussed earlier these shoudl eventually get done entirely on the new website
[10:45] <shadeslayer> and we can make a nice page next time
[10:45] <apachelogger> wikis are much rubbish for sweet editing really
[10:45]  * Riddell makes it sew
[10:46] <apachelogger> talking about website
[10:46] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin, jose: what's the state of the website
[10:46] <Riddell> needs the server to recover for one thing :(
[10:47] <apachelogger> yofel: what's the state of the server
[10:47] <yofel> apachelogger: you'll have to ask Riddell
[10:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the state of the server
[10:48] <shadeslayer> yay, I can do git clone bzr::lp:whatever
[10:48] <shadeslayer> no more fiddling with bzr
[10:48] <yofel> oh sweet :D
[10:48] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:48] <yofel> any special setup for that?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> nope, just install git-bzr
[10:49] <yofel> yay
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: I need to fill in this form and e-mail hosteurope, very nearly at the top of my todo list
[10:49] <apachelogger> reminds me of when people used git-svn and broke kdesvn every other day xD
[10:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: even does pushes
[10:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: if everything is fine with the Kubuntu + Plasma 5 email, I'll send it later today
[10:51] <apachelogger> yofel: what's with shared git repo for kf5?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> ^^
[10:51]  * BluesKaj waits patiently for the alpha1 upgrades to hit the repos
[10:52] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: probably tomorrow
[10:53] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, ok, like I said, I'm waiting patiently :)
[10:55] <yofel> apachelogger: nothing so far, sune and maxy wouldn't mind it but wanted pino to comment, which he never did
[10:57] <shadeslayer> much blocking that is
[11:10] <jose> apachelogger: state is waiting to talk to ovidiu-florin
[11:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/
[11:12] <Riddell> sweet
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you want a picutre of the reboot thing as well?
[11:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://imgur.com/zSGnz8J :3
[11:30] <yofel> hahaha
[11:31] <shadeslayer> colored output ftw
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I guess not
[11:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no that's fine
[11:34] <shadeslayer> upgrade went fine
[11:34] <Riddell> yay!
[11:41] <Riddell> hola sgclark, bienos dias
[11:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Did you look at my comments?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I don't see any
[11:44] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning :)
[11:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: eek your web server went away!
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh, heh
[11:45] <shadeslayer> moment
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: same url
[11:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: This has been updated since I commented last.  Let me read it again.
[11:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: cheers, I updated it after you commented, made some things more clear
[11:49] <ScottK> shadeslayer: A couple of small comments.  Looking pretty good now.
[11:56] <sgclark> Riddell: any thoughts on why kde-baseapps and konsole in next believe that the 4:4.13.2 release is newer?
[11:59] <apachelogger> konsole? Oo
[11:59] <apachelogger> that's not in the release scope of plasma5.0  is it?
[11:59] <apachelogger> neither is baseapps for that matter
[11:59] <apachelogger> konsole (4.97.0~git20140623-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1) utopic; urgency=low
[12:00] <apachelogger> sgclark: that is effective version 0:4.97.0 vs. konsole effective version 4:4.13.2
[12:00] <apachelogger> sgclark: see epoch here https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[12:01] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark: I don't think baseapps stuff should packaged
[12:03] <sgclark> why not?
[12:03] <apachelogger> because it has no release schedule
[12:06] <sgclark> that is a good point, I guess not a good thing to throw out to the public, but maybe an experimental next? lol
[12:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:06] <apachelogger> well
[12:06] <apachelogger> for now we have neon
[12:07] <apachelogger> once utopic is released we might want to do an experimental next ppa if necessary
[12:07] <apachelogger> until then stuff can be put into next
[12:07] <apachelogger> the problem with baseapps is that it has no upstream pre-release at all, so putting it in next doesn't do much good
[12:08] <sgclark> not to mention it is only half done, aka missing konquorer etc
[12:08] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:10] <sgclark> but it would be kinda cool to have that stuff somewhere for daredevils that want the greatest and latest, but not as important as the greater for all stability.
[12:10] <yofel> neon? ^^
[12:12] <sgclark> yeah I did try that neon, that is really nice and achieves the above. Does neon have the frameworks build of these apps though?
[12:12] <sgclark> I didn't think it did
[12:19] <apachelogger> project-neon5-kde-baseapps
[12:19] <apachelogger> project-neon5-konsole
[12:21] <sgclark> ahh ok cool :) anyway I only did as I was asked. I will move on
[12:37] <sgclark> update wants a reboot, be back shortly
[13:09] <Riddell> hola
[13:09] <Riddell> sgclark, apachelogger: sure it should be packaged, but only for a known experimental PPA
[13:10] <sgclark> I <3 packaging, so fine with me lol
[13:10] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't think we should add a depend on qt5-default, people will still want the option of having qt4-default with plasma 5 e.g. if you're compiling kdelibs4 stuff
[13:11] <Riddell> instead I guess it needs the full path to qdbus somewhere
[13:11] <sgclark> Riddell: right, the QT_SELECT=5 qdbus worked fine to login, though it is said it is an issue with qtchooser
[13:14] <Riddell> sgclark: you added QT_SELECT=5 somewhere?
[13:14] <sgclark> Riddell: I added QT_SELECT=5 qdbus to my .bashrc file
[13:14] <Riddell> and it all works fine after?
[13:15] <sgclark> yup perfectly
[13:15] <Riddell> ok so we can probably just add that to startkde
[13:15] <sgclark> also, how , where would we put that nifty new wallpaper in ?
[13:16] <alvin> I just did a fresh installation of Kubuntu, and it's probably time I report this bug. But where, or against what package? If you choose 'Belgium', some locales are set to German.
[13:21] <alvin> Especially weird since I selected US English as language
[13:28] <Riddell> sgclark: wallpaper?  the plasma next one with triangles?
[13:28] <Riddell> alvin: using 14.04?
[13:28] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah that one, I can't find it
[13:28] <alvin> Riddell: Yes, but I believe the bug was already there in 13.10
[13:29] <alvin> Didn't think much of it then. Changed the language in KDE. But I've installed Kubuntu now on a number of occasions, and it happens every time. Set country to Belgium, language to English, and some locales will be German.
[13:29] <alvin> de_BE.UTF-8 to be exact
[13:44] <Riddell> sgclark: it's in breeze but maybe it wasn't in for 4.97
[13:45] <Riddell> alvin: it might be libkubuntu's fault
[13:45] <Riddell> or it might be ubiquity
[13:45] <apachelogger> more likely former
[13:47] <shadeslayer> fwiw plasma 5 email away
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yay!
[13:49] <sgclark> shadeslayer: were you going to take back sddm? if so feel free to nab any of my work from mine. I spent alot of time on copyright nd I know you are not a fan of copyright. Also a libexec patch that should go upstream if you use.
[13:49] <shadeslayer> sgclark: yep
[13:49] <shadeslayer> working on sanitizing sddm now
[13:49] <shadeslayer> infact
[13:49] <shadeslayer> I haz upstart script
[13:49] <sgclark> ok cool
[13:49] <shadeslayer> lets see if it works
[13:54] <alvin> ok, Bug 1334675 opened
[13:59] <apachelogger> half those vars are not set by libkubuntu
[14:14] <Riddell> how's this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[14:14] <Riddell> proofreaders needed
[14:16] <apachelogger> download column width is wrong
[14:16] <apachelogger> pictures have all random sizes
[14:17] <apachelogger> on that note if they are to continue having random sizes then the plasma1 pic needs to be aligned to the right
[14:17] <apachelogger> lots of techno talk in general
[14:18] <apachelogger> otherwise good I guess
[14:34] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu updated with less techno speak
[14:37] <apachelogger> much better
[14:37] <apachelogger> column width is still broken :P
[14:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: I conflictered with you
[14:39] <apachelogger> but width is fixed now :P
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: thanks
[14:51] <Riddell> yofel: ping
[14:51] <Riddell> or another german speaker, ping
[14:53] <apachelogger> yus?
[14:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: what needs done with this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Vertragsuebernahme-Vertragsuebergabe_eines_einzelnen_Produktes2.pdf
[14:54] <Riddell> it's got forms in it you can edit in okular
[14:54] <apachelogger> needs to be sent by FAX
[14:54] <Riddell> yay
[14:54] <Riddell> but does more of it need filled in?
[14:55] <apachelogger> god that thing has pages
[14:57] <apachelogger> first page, prevoius owner needs to sign bottom of the page
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: are we wiring money through germany?
[14:57] <alvin> I'll follow up on that locale bug, but I'll have to install a test machine. In the meantime I've set everything to my liking using the KDE System settings, BUT there's a script that changes the locales for you and it created en_BE.UTF-8.  Now that's something that does not exist, so apt throws errors when trying to install stuff.
[14:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: if not scratch page 4 and add credit card details on page 3
[14:58] <apachelogger> where it says Kreditkartendaten (nur für Kunden außerhalb Deutschlands
[14:59] <alvin> Now ALL locales (except LANGUAGE=en and LC_ALL=) are en_BE.UTF-8
[14:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: then bottom of page 3 first is your name in block capitals, second is signature, third is date
[15:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, you need to fax page 2+3 and previous owner needs to fax page 1
[15:00] <apachelogger> other than credit card details everything seems to be in order
[15:01] <Riddell> groovy
[15:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: if we wire the money through germany account details for SEPA would go on page 4
[15:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is Gültigkeit ?
[15:03] <apachelogger> validity
[15:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: time until expiration of the card
[15:03] <apachelogger> (reckon it's about the credit card)
[15:04] <Riddell> yep
[15:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: 0180 5 66 3233*
[15:05] <Riddell> that becomes +49180 5 66 3233 ?
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[15:11]  * apachelogger finds it outrages that a contract move costs 50 euros processing fee
[15:13] <apachelogger> alvin: en_BE is what you get when you configure en_BE
[15:13] <apachelogger> arguably it doesn't make sense, however given the present UI it's hard to prevent that from happening
[15:13] <alvin> apachelogger: Yes, I'm starting to think that the errors from apt have another reason.
[15:13] <apachelogger> no
[15:13] <apachelogger> en_BE is no valid locale
[15:13] <alvin> LC_TYPE is not set and such
[15:13] <alvin> Ah
[15:13] <apachelogger> but you configured it
[15:13] <apachelogger> so libkubuntu writes it
[15:14] <apachelogger> what you need to do is configure your country to US or CA or AU or GB etc.
[15:14] <alvin> I configured it in System Settings by setting Country to Belgium and Language to English. A valid combination.  Like 'Letter' instead of 'A4'
[15:15] <apachelogger> yep, that's how posix locale work
[15:16] <alvin> I justed wanted the English language (Not British. 'Wastebin' instead of 'Trash' is not something I get used too)
[15:16] <alvin> It's not ideal. Can I set the KDE settings /without/ changing system locales?
[15:17] <apachelogger> you can remove .kde/env/setlocale.sh
[15:17] <apachelogger> your system will still be wrong then
[15:17] <alvin> Ok, but that's fixable
[15:17] <apachelogger> see, the problem is, if you configure country BE and language en in KDE you'll have A4 and stuff in KDE
[15:17] <apachelogger> but all other applications will use Letter
[15:18] <alvin> Yes, and 24hour format :-)
[15:18] <apachelogger> because they don't care about what the KDE setting is
[15:18] <apachelogger> that's why libkubuntu bends the KDE setting to the inferior posix locale version
[15:18] <alvin> I can see that.
[15:18] <apachelogger> otherwise system integration is incomplete
[15:19] <alvin> So, there's no setting directly 'paper size = A4' with the standard POSIX stuff?
[15:19] <apachelogger> nope
[15:19] <alvin> Or some switch: adhere to ISO standards. Ok, I'm dreaming
[15:19] <apachelogger> it's all locale bound
[15:19] <alvin> I see.
[15:20] <apachelogger> what you could do from a posix POV is define some of the LC_ variables to a locale that uses A4
[15:20] <apachelogger> not sure which one
[15:20] <alvin> Well, in that case, it's only more work to set it up. I can live with that. You know, Windows gets that all wrong too.
[15:20] <apachelogger> but you don't have fine grained control beyond that
[15:20] <alvin> I'll look it up.
[15:20] <apachelogger> alvin: posix is an ISO standard btw
[15:20] <alvin> Heh, ok :-)
[15:20] <alvin> Didn't know that.
[15:21] <apachelogger> arguably the KDE way isn't all that smooth either
[15:21] <apachelogger> e.g. in case of CA country doesn't actually define the format at all
[15:22] <apachelogger> en_CA defaults to US formatting, while fr_CA defaults to FR formatting
[15:22] <apachelogger> yet you cannot represent that in KDE clearly (short of having two distinct countries which is not the case and would not make sense)
[15:23] <apachelogger> it's all a lot of shit regardless of the operating system
[15:23] <alvin> Sounds like there's still some work in that area. I hope settings are shared between other desktop environments then?
[15:23] <apachelogger> no
[15:23] <apachelogger> that's what posix is there for
[15:23] <apachelogger> except KDE chooses to not support that currently
[15:24] <apachelogger> (in plasma5 there'll be much improvement in terms of configurability though \o/)
[15:24] <alvin> Oh, that is fine to hear. I'm looking forward a lot to plasma5
[15:24] <BluesKaj> CA has 2 language choices since Canada is officially a biingual
[15:24] <apachelogger> that's what I am saying
[15:24] <apachelogger> but in KDE country dictates format
[15:24] <alvin> Well, Belgium is trilingual, if you count the 10 Germans that live here. I know the problem.
[15:24] <apachelogger> but in CA's case language defines formatting much more than country
[15:25] <BluesKaj> hehe alvin :)
[15:25] <apachelogger> so if you configure it_CA, what formatting do you get? english? french? italian? none?
[15:25] <apachelogger> it's all much madness
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I always choose English, there's the French Canada choice available if one wants it
[15:27] <BluesKaj> a lot of Canadians just choose the US format for safety's sake
[15:27] <alvin> lol, yes. That reminds me that I still have to file a bug for the holidays in the KDE calendar. These are in French by default when you set the country to Belgium, while it should look at the language.
[15:29] <alvin> There's a choice between 'French', 'Dutch' and 'Walloon'. French = Walloon, and the 10 Germans are forgotten.
[15:55] <Riddell> somehow I missed this, there's no 4.15 SC planned http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=140191565904116&w=2
[16:00] <sgclark> Riddell: I am now seeing the perils of qt5-default. kgraphviewer seems to be qt4 only. I have my utopic set up for frameworks qt5 packaging, how do I do both?
[16:02] <Riddell> sgclark: just install qt4-default
[16:02] <Riddell> all will be fine until you need to log in again :)
[16:02] <sgclark> lol
[16:02]  * sgclark sets up another chroot
[16:04] <yofel> wouldn't it work to just export QT_SELECT?
[16:04] <yofel> for the build shell
[16:04] <sgclark> oh hey that could work, thanks
[17:24] <Riddell> ScottK: plasma 5 schedule decision http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2014-June/033065.html
[17:24] <Riddell> in progress..
[17:24] <Riddell> I'm proposing having bugfix releases but opinion seems to be for just monthly releases for now because it's not advised that distros ship it as default
[17:48] <sgclark> Riddell: kgraphviewer for trusty is ready, where do I put this?
[17:53] <Riddell> sgclark: oh cool, do you have it for utopic too?
[17:53] <sgclark> Riddell: not yet, should be relatively simple though now that the bulk work is done.
[17:54] <Riddell> sgclark: check it all works in utopic then give to me to upload to utopic
[17:54] <Riddell> and you can upload to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[17:54] <Riddell> for trusty
[17:55] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[18:01] <mcstr_> hmmm any kubuntu user using the latest opera development build?
[18:02] <Riddell> not I
[18:03] <mcstr_> i am giving it a try just now and it seems to be very fast :o
[18:06] <Riddell> ahh, alas if only it was free software
[18:07] <mcstr_> hmmm... well isnt it free? i dont pay a single cent for it...... you sound like a fedora user :P
[18:12] <sgclark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~sgclark/+archive/kubuntu/+packages it is still waiting to build but I suspect you can still get the files?
[18:17] <sgclark> Riddell: massif-visualizer depends on these. I have to make a quick trip to store and will work on that when I return.
[18:20] <Riddell> mcstr_: most Linux distros only ship Free software
[18:21] <mcstr_> @riddell thats true but i am a bit more mainstream in this regard.... as long as its available and costs no money i find it ok to use it..... bein it the non-free codecs, software or whatever.....
[18:22] <Riddell> yeah that's fine, we just can't ship it is all
[18:23] <mcstr_> no worries :)
[18:24] <mcstr_> i also like konqueror and rekonq esp. on kde4... not convinced of those in kde plasma next yet
[18:24] <mcstr_> have used mozilla firefox most of my time over the last years but opera now seems to be easier on ram and ressources in general
[19:43] <Riddell> alpha 1 is out!
[19:45] <Riddell> santa_: you made kde-workspace break kde-style-skulpture last year saying "Add Breaks against kwin styles which wouldn't work with this latest kde-window-manager release" can you remember why it wouldn't work?
[19:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think that's why kde-workspace has not transitioned
[19:47] <santa_> Riddell: hi, I think there was an api change and that style was unmaintained
[19:47] <Riddell> hmm, but it seems to compile
[19:47] <Riddell> spoke I can but install them and see what happens
[19:48] <santa_> and does it work?
[19:48] <Riddell> dunno need to test that now
[19:48] <santa_> http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kde-style-skulpture/news/20120510T181231Z.html
[19:48] <santa_> indeed, it was unmaintained
[19:49] <santa_> I remember they were a few which didn't work and wasn't very feasible to fix them
[19:50] <santa_> I remember there was one which left the windows without decoration
[19:50] <santa_> which would be an ugly situation for an inexperienced user
[19:52] <santa_> so the solution was putting that breaks there, so the style would be uninstalled
[19:52] <Riddell> ah then I'll just follow debian and remove it
[19:52] <santa_> but of course if you can make them work again, that breaks should be removed
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: how's the server state?
[20:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sent off form, e-mailed them, waiting for reply
[20:17] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thanks
[22:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: we might want to shut down http://kubuntu.s3.amazonaws.com/list.html
[22:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:00] <shadeslayer> that shit is still working
[22:03] <yofel> oh right, I totally forgot about that
[22:03] <yofel> write something nice on the grave :P
[22:05] <shadeslayer> yeah, I'll get Riddell to delete stuff tomorrow
[22:23] <soee_> updates to neon are done through normal session or do i have to login to neon ?
[22:24] <shadeslayer> which one
[22:24] <shadeslayer> also, updates to Neon 5 are unsupported
[22:24] <shadeslayer> with all the moving around and what not
[22:25] <soee_> http://community.kde.org/Plasma/InstallingNext
[22:26] <shadeslayer> right, upgrades are unsupported and at your own risk fwiw
[22:26] <shadeslayer> soee_: I usually do : sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" dist-upgrade
[22:27] <soee_> shadeslayer: but, if you release weekly updates for plasma-next in neon
[22:27] <soee_> than i can get updates form normal session ?
[22:27] <soee_> *update the neon packages
[22:27] <shadeslayer> right, but they're unsupported in the sense of, if files are moved around, you have to force overwrite things
[22:28] <shadeslayer> since the packaging does not really track those kind of things
[22:28] <soee_> okay :)
[22:29] <soee_> i saw some shcedule and plasma next final will be released next moth ?


[00:23] <ikonia> evening
[00:24] <Seeker`> lo
[00:24] <ikonia> howdy
[00:24] <Seeker`> how be?
[00:24] <ikonia> well, you ?
[00:26] <Seeker`> not too bad
[00:26] <Seeker`> trying to do some work on my final year project
[00:28] <ikonia> yes, just finishing off some stuff too
[00:31] <Seeker`> i've been reading papers
[01:14] <PriceChild> Hey there lucian.
[01:14] <ubotu> greg-g called the ops in #ubuntu-us ()
[01:14] <lucian> hi
[01:15] <lucian> PriceChild, how are you.
[01:17] <jdong> he's an android, he does not know how he is
[01:17] <jdong> apart from load averages and page faults per second
[01:18] <PriceChild> LjL, wth happenned there.
[01:18] <LjL> PriceChild, i have enough
[01:19] <PriceChild> anyway, lucian yeah i'm good, you? :)
[01:20] <greg-g> help in #ubuntu-us
[01:20] <greg-g> need to ban someone from spamming
[01:20] <LjL> greg-g, not sure any of us can help
[01:22] <greg-g> thanks anyways
[01:22] <PriceChild> I guess that guy had been in other places.
[01:22] <Seeker`> freenode staff may have been able to do something
[01:22] <PriceChild> Seeker`, freenode staff did something.
[01:23] <Seeker`> ah, ok
[01:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: offline is If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, http://apt.byethost14.com/ may help you with determining which dependencies to fetch and calculating download sizes, or you can use the "generate package download script" in synaptic
[01:40] <LjL> !offline
[01:40] <ubotu> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://apt.byethost14.com/
[01:40] <PriceChild> that's out of date... (feisty)
[01:41] <LjL> PriceChild: give me a web host that doesn't chop my uploads at about 90% systematically, and it won't be out of date
[01:41] <PriceChild> LjL, hey that's yours!!!!!!
[01:41] <PriceChild> :/
[01:41] <LjL> quite
[01:42] <LjL> anyway this apt-zip integration in Synaptic, which i didn't know about, makes it obsolete in many circumstances
[01:42] <PriceChild> That's quite good.
[01:43] <PriceChild> apt-zip... *looks*
[01:44] <PriceChild> wow....
[01:44] <PriceChild> "generate package download script"
[01:44] <PriceChild> That is by *far* the coolest feature of synaptic that I have ever seen.
[01:45] <LjL> bunch of wgets, works in windows too if you have wget installed
[01:45] <LjL> it's probably apt-zip's code copied and pasted
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> I just learned about that at our release party
[01:46] <LjL> i guess my page is not more useful, if anything, for simulating scenarios that do *not* match what you have installed on your system
[01:46] <LjL> s/not/now/
[01:46] <PriceChild> yup
[01:48] <Jordan_U> LjL, It's nice in some circumstances still, for instance if you need to install a package on multiple computers and know they all have ubuntu-desktop installed but don't know beyond that, but then I guess you'd use apt-mirror
[01:50] <LjL> Jordan_U, or for when you need to install stuff from universe but don't have universe updated in apt to begin with
[01:50] <LjL> often the case for people who need to install winmodem drivers for instance
[01:51] <LjL> although there was a spec for making winmodems work better as well, dunno if it's got through
[01:52]  * tonyyarusso shudders
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> I tried messing with a winmodem again today, without success
[01:52] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i'd like to as well, i've got plenty of hardware modems, but a winmodem could give me called ID access with the right demodulator
[01:53] <LjL> if only there were some /dev/dsp driver for it at least
[01:54] <LjL> (although, i've got VoIP so i *ought* to be able to get caller ID straight from IP, without even waiting for a ring... but that would only happen if my ISP weren't such pricks)
[03:10] <ubotu> ardchoille called the ops in #kubuntu ()
[03:49] <PriceChild> cruel man... someone just ghosted greevous
[03:50] <PriceChild> and again
[03:50] <PriceChild> that's evil
[03:50] <crdlb> poke a staffer?
[03:50] <crdlb> I know some of them get really angry about that
[03:51] <PriceChild> nalioth, anything that can be done about that? :/
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> someone who posted their password I take it?
[04:10] <PriceChild> yup
[04:12] <Hobbsee> idiot.
[04:13] <jdong> Hobbsee: meh at times it happens to the best of us...
[04:13] <jdong> still gives no excuse for others to ghost them to annoyance...
[04:14] <jdong> (didn't I do that once to tsmithe?)</guiltadmission>
[04:14] <nalioth> let me look into it
[04:15] <nalioth> aww, the perp has left
[04:15] <nalioth> advise greevous to change his pass immediately
[05:23] <ubotu> choudesh called the ops in #ubuntu (devon)
[07:42]  * abogani looking for someone could add him to ubuntu-irc-cloaks team...
[07:43] <nalioth> abogani: why is that?
[07:44] <abogani> nalioth, because a i'm a new ubuntu member.
[07:44] <nalioth> abogani: what is your launchpad ID ?
[07:45] <abogani> nalioth: abogani
[07:47] <nalioth> abogani: enjoy your cloak  :)
[07:47] <abogani> nalioth, Thank you very much! :-)
[07:47] <nalioth> :)
[08:12] <szkud> may I be tested?
[08:15] <nalioth> szkud: what's 2 + 2 ?
[08:15] <nalioth> j/k
[08:15] <nalioth> did you follow the instructions in the other channel?
[08:16] <szkud> yes
[08:16] <nalioth> ok, let's see
[08:17] <nalioth> szkud: good to go  :)  thanks for your patience
[08:17] <szkud> np
[08:17] <szkud> 'gg'
[11:06]  * Gary hides
[11:07] <Gary> you are such a bully
[11:07] <Hobbsee> you asked for it.
[11:07] <Gary> if I were not homosensual, i'd marry you :-)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> homosensual?
[11:12] <Gary> well, like homosexual, but nicer
[11:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[11:19] <ikonia> troll in #ubuntu
[11:19] <ikonia> madera
[11:24] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, could just get reassigned :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> ew, no
[11:25] <elkbuntu> tehe
[11:25] <Gary> elkbuntu, !!! lol
[11:25] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i'm not of the "it" type.
[11:26] <elkbuntu> yeah, i think gary going straight has a better chance
[11:26] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: are you reminded of that night in our hotel room?  *g*
[11:26] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i was trying to avoid that memory
[11:26] <Hobbsee> "binary interfaces"?
[11:27] <elkbuntu> that was the restaurant
[11:27] <Gary> night in our hotel room? - tell all?
[11:27] <elkbuntu> Gary, she just blurts out with 'quinn is on the other side of the wall'
[11:27] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: yeah, but i thought it might help you remember
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Gary: we could hear moaning....
[11:27] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i didnt need nor want the help, kthx :Þ
[11:27] <Gary> lol
[11:27] <Hobbsee> Gary: thought it might be quinn
[11:28]  * Hobbsee managed to stay alive
[11:28] <Gary> you shared a room?
[11:28] <Gary> way to go get a reputation :p
[11:28] <elkbuntu> Gary, i think we should explain. i am a curvy woman. quinn likes curvy women.
[11:29] <elkbuntu> Gary, very seperate beds kthx
[11:29]  * Gary giggles
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Gary: twin rooms.
[11:29] <Gary> yeah yeah, very defensive now arn't we :p
[11:29]  * Gary runs away
[11:29] <Hobbsee> and quinn thought i was going ot be "bigger and curvier"
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Gary: needless to say, we had a go at "it" all week.
[11:30] <elkbuntu> Gary, if you had a bearded 'lady' lusting for you, you'd be a little defensive too
[11:30] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: you forgot to mention the changing boob size.
[11:30] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yes, however i still have the mental images from mountain view superimposed over the face area
[11:30] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:31] <elkbuntu> we should stop now...
[11:31]  * Hobbsee ponders what it will look like the next UDS
[11:31] <ikonia> god no
[11:31] <Gary> :-)
[11:31] <ikonia> I've been enjoying following
[11:31] <ikonia> please continue
[11:31] <ikonia> :)
[11:31] <Gary> yeah, carry on, we need bribery material
[11:32]  * ikonia makes blackmail notes
[11:32]  * ikonia re-writes what has been said more incriminating
[11:32] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, was it at boston do you know?
[11:33] <elkbuntu> ikonia, you might be enjoying it, i'm not particuarly
[11:33] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i don't know.
[11:33] <Gary> I am, I'm getting funny looks due to my giggling
[11:33] <ikonia> elkbuntu: thats not what it says in my home grown notes ;)
[11:33]  * elkbuntu kills ikonia and burns the notes... in whichever medium they are in.
[11:34]  * Hobbsee decides that's not enough, and burns ikonia
[11:34] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:34] <Hobbsee> problem solved.
[11:34]  * Gary gets the marshmallows out
[11:34] <ikonia> oh
[11:34] <ikonia> :(
[11:34] <ikonia> thank you
[11:34]  * Hobbsee sings "kumbaya"
[11:34] <Gary> oi, stay still while i'm toasting ikonia
[11:34] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[11:35] <ikonia> there is enough meat on me to feed all
[11:35] <Gary> burn elkbuntu she just said she had a large bottom
[11:35] <ikonia> no, she makes nice sounding food
[11:35]  * Hobbsee would prefer *not* to burn elkbuntu
[11:35] <Hobbsee> lets burn Seveas
[11:36] <Hobbsee> he deserves to burn
[11:36] <Gary> nooooo, he's putting me forwards for a job
[11:36] <ikonia> I didn't think you could burn the devil ?
[11:36] <elkbuntu> rofl!
[11:36] <Hobbsee> no, Seveas burns.
[11:36] <Hobbsee> this is why he's always wearing his firefox hat outside.
[11:37] <Gary> no, thats to cover the ginger hair
[11:37] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[11:37] <Hobbsee> the son of scott james remnant, and elmo.  yes
[11:37] <Hobbsee> definetly burnable.
[11:38] <ikonia> elmo !!!! laughing hard not
[11:38] <ikonia> now
[11:38] <elkbuntu> ikonia, not that elmo
[11:38] <ikonia> oh
[11:38] <Hobbsee> *snorts water over her screen*
[11:38] <ikonia> tickle me seveas
[11:38] <Gary> that would be the wrong button :p
[11:38] <Hobbsee> now *that* would be amusing
[11:38] <elkbuntu> ROFL!
[11:38] <ikonia> "I love you, will you by my friend"
[11:39]  * ikonia patents tickle me seveas
[11:39] <elkbuntu> the tickle me seveas would throw kids into swimming pools
[11:39] <ikonia> ha ha ha ha
[11:39] <ikonia> it's a crowd pleaser
[11:40] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:42] <elkbuntu> ikonia, elmo = james troup, one of the canonical sysadmins && CC member
[11:42] <ikonia> ahhh
[11:42] <ikonia> thank you for educating me
[11:42] <elkbuntu> i had to finish laughing first
[11:45]  * Hobbsee ponders the other elmo turning up at UDS
[11:46] <elkbuntu> bwahahaha
[11:46] <elkbuntu> i just had a thought...
[11:47] <elkbuntu> UDS boston included halloween... they did the dress up thing... what did elmo dress up as?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> i have no idea :)
[11:47]  * elkbuntu doesnt know, but i seriously want a re-do if it wasnt the fuzzy red puppet
[11:55] <dgjones> Hi, looks like some spammers/trouble may be starting in #ubuntu, new people just in demand op status
[11:58] <dgjones> Thanks Hobbsee & elkbuntu
[11:58] <Gary> damnm, I missed that, serves me right for pressing the big X button earlier
[11:58]  * Hobbsee watches u-o-m too
[12:02] <ikonia> not seeing any spam ?
[12:04] <Hobbsee> not so far
[12:05] <Gary> ooww, I don't like being opped, feels weird
[12:06] <Gary> I even runas for work now too
[12:38] <PriceChild> intarwebs aren't very good lately
[12:38] <Pici> Darn intertrucks
[12:38] <Seeker`> PriceChild: whats wrong with it?
[12:38] <PriceChild> went down about 4 this morning
[12:39] <PriceChild> got a text at about 10 saying "scheduled maintenance" giving random times...
[12:39] <PriceChild> just came back up whilst i was on the xbox "pricechild has signed into xbox live" - uuu
[12:39] <PriceChild> happenned a couple of times this past few days and there's no way its "scheduled maintenance"
[12:42] <Pici> I just got my cable modem replaced, so hopefully I won't be dropping as much anymore.
[12:45] <Seeker`> PriceChild: what ISP?
[12:45] <PriceChild> be
[12:45] <PriceChild> they've been amazing till now
[12:48]  * Seeker` hasn't had any problems with Be over the past few days
[12:48] <Seeker`> touch wood
[12:49] <Pici> hm
[12:50]  * Pici still doesnt know who jimmacdonald is
[12:51] <PriceChild> Seeker`, its just the york area
[12:51] <Seeker`> PriceChild: ah, ok
[12:51]  * jimmacdonald is the op in ubuntu-us-ak
[12:51] <Seeker`> PriceChild: What sort of speeds do you get when you have a connection?
[12:52] <Pici> jimmacdonald: ah.. okay :D
[12:53] <PriceChild> Seeker`, 18/1.3
[12:53] <Seeker`> wow, nice
[12:53] <PriceChild> and the credit came through this week :D
[12:53] <Seeker`> cool
[12:53] <Seeker`> you mean for the price drop?
[12:53] <PriceChild> yup
[12:55] <Seeker`> they give a free static IP now, dont they?
[12:55] <PriceChild> yup
[12:56] <PriceChild> you not sorted yours?
[12:56] <Seeker`> I had one from when I signed up
[12:56] <PriceChild> I half wish you could assign it to a device
[12:57] <PriceChild> rather than being restricted to port forwarding
[12:57] <Seeker`> what do you mean?
[12:57] <PriceChild> you can't assign a device on your lan a public ip
[12:58] <Seeker`> you probably can if you use the right router
[12:58] <Seeker`> you catn with their box
[12:58] <Seeker`> s/catn/cant
[13:32] <Hobbsee> !ping
[13:32] <ubotu> pong
[14:20] <gaurish> LjL, hello, please clear my ban on #Ubuntu
[14:21] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[14:25] <gaurish> Hobbsee, can you please check with ubotu  about my ban?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> ...why?
[14:25] <Hobbsee> already done
[14:25] <LjL> gaurish, i'll remind us of what i said last time
[14:25] <LjL> 1) noted that no ops were around 2) proposed to flood the channel to wake them up 3) did so (with the help of another) 4) was banned 5) rejoined without his cloak 6) was banned 7) rejoined with another ip 8) was banned 9) rejoined with another nickname
[14:26]  * Hobbsee doesn't see any reason why he should be unbanned, based on performance.
[14:26] <gaurish> LjL, hello seen you after a long time
[14:26] <gaurish> :p
[14:27] <gaurish> please clear my ban :)
[14:27] <Hobbsee> why should we?
[14:28] <gaurish> i know i made a mistake, and i was punished for it.
[14:28] <gaurish> now please Unban :)
[14:28] <Pici> %btlogin
[14:29] <LjL> gaurish, do you also understand that, if we unban you and you make a "mistake" again, the subsequent ban would be extremely unlikely to be lifted?
[14:30] <gaurish> LjL, that situation is never going to happen , thats sure :)
[14:30] <Hobbsee> having seen that he *also* got banned in #ubuntu recently, i'm not even inclined to be that generous
[14:31] <gaurish> Hobbsee, please check then tell at what date i was banned :S, that was not recent ;)
[14:32] <gaurish> Com'on please UNban, please :)
[14:33]  * Hobbsee is now enlightened that it is not october 21st today.
[14:35] <gaurish> Guys it had been so much time, i think thats enough for the mistake i did
[14:35] <gaurish> please clear it
[14:36] <LjL> gaurish, unless you have new arguments, begging does not help. just be patient and let us think about it.
[14:38] <gaurish> LjL, as you may have known i don't believe in arguments , made a ban on me, I gladly accepted it without any bad words, but i am NOT begging you for it , just as a request
[14:38] <PriceChild> gaurish, and again,  unless you have new arguments, begging does not help. just be patient and let us think about it.
[14:39] <LjL> gaurish, i suggest you read the following carefully to not incur in any further mistakes
[14:39] <LjL> !etiquette > gaurish    (gaurish, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:39] <LjL> !coc > gaurish    (gaurish, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:39] <LjL> !guidelines > gaurish    (gaurish, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:39] <gaurish> PriceChild, ctrl+c & ctrl+v = copycat :p
[14:39]  * PriceChild head desks
[14:40] <gaurish> LjL, okay reading....
[14:42]  * gaurish reads the Coc
[14:44] <LjL> jrib, freenode supports a PASS command :P
[14:44] <gaurish> hmmmmm.....read the COC fully & signed
[14:44] <Seeker`> that was quick
[14:44] <jrib> LjL: hmmm, what did I do?
[14:45] <LjL> jrib: joined uncloaked
[14:45] <Pici> *gasp*
[14:45] <LjL> jrib: perhaps you may also want to get jason_ registered
[14:45] <Seeker`> oh no! its the end of the world!
[14:45] <Seeker`> LjL: You mean _jason?
[14:46] <LjL> it's not the end of the world, but using PASS is more secure than identifying to NickServ
[14:46] <Pici> Seeker`: jrib<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops
[14:46] <LjL> Seeker`: oh right.
[14:47] <jrib> ok let's try again
[14:48] <gaurish> no change!!
[14:48] <LjL> jrib: nope. when i say PASS, i really mean setting a server password (that's the command that's sent when you do)
[14:48] <gaurish> jrib, whats client you use?
[14:49] <LjL> that's better
[14:49] <Pici> Whats the syntax to the pass command? just /pass mypassword?
[14:50] <PriceChild> Pici, just put it in the "server password" field of your client, freenode sends that to nickser
[14:50] <PriceChild> v
[14:50] <jrib> I'll stop now before I start getting banned from channels :)
[14:50] <jrib> thanks
[14:50] <Pici> ah
[14:51] <LjL> Pici, as price said. the syntax you mentioned works, but only if you send it *before* identifying to the network, so doing it manually won't really work
[14:51] <jrib> how would one use PASS on irssi?
[14:52] <LjL> jrib, perhaps /quote pass blah or /raw pass blah, if /pass alone isn't supported. but still, you're really supposed to send a password in the /server command
[14:52]  * Pici looks to see how to add it to his .irssi/config
[14:53] <jrib> with irssi I was always doing: /NETWORK ADD -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident pass;wait 2000"
[14:53] <Pici> Similar for me
[14:53] <LjL> jrib, issue is that if (crossed fingers) someone manages to un-jupe chanserv, they can sniff your password
[14:53] <LjL> err, nickserv
[14:54] <jrib> even if I /quote nickserv?
[14:54] <LjL> jrib: not sure, would need to see dancer's code to know that
[14:54] <LjL> still what freenode officially recommends is sending a server password
[14:55] <LjL> jrib: /SERVER ADD -auto -network freenode irc.freenode.net 6667 password
[14:55] <LjL> from http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/01/17/my-new-irc-client-irssi-ubuntu-606-610/
[14:56] <jrib> I agree irssi docs should recommend that
[14:58] <Pici> Is the field named 'password' in the config file?
[15:10] <gary4gar> LjL,
[15:26] <gary4gar> hello!!
[15:26] <Pici> gary4gar: What can we help you with?
[15:27] <gary4gar> Pici, i want ban which was effective from 18th oct 2007 To be cleared off :)
[15:27] <Pici> gary4gar: in which channel?
[15:27] <gary4gar> #ubuntu
[15:28] <Pici> gary4gar: LjL removed that about an hour ago.
[15:28] <Pici> Are you still unable to join?
[15:28] <Gary> he just did :-)
[15:29] <gary4gar> lol LjL atleast you should have told me ;)
[15:29] <gary4gar> and remove from #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:31] <Pici> gary4gar: done.
[15:31] <gary4gar> Pici, thanks
[16:18] <Gunirus> [17:13:51] #ubuntu: You're banned from that channel
[16:19] <Pici> Gunirus: Do you have any idea why you might be banned?
[16:19] <Gunirus> Pici: sure
[16:19] <Gunirus> i got kiled on connect
[16:19] <Gunirus> :/
[16:19] <Gunirus> removed a few channels from my autojoin list
[16:19] <Gunirus> the problem is fixed now
[16:20] <Pici> Gunirus: hold on....
[16:20] <Pici> arg
[16:22] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning..here anyhow..  Is there a bot link for say.. !edit   that would show sudo nano /path/filename   gksudo gedit  ...  kdesu kate  blah blah  it would be handy
[16:23] <Pici> !editor
[16:23] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[16:23] <tonyyarusso> !editors
[16:23] <Jack_Sparrow> I would like to see another for paths to the basic system files like menu.lst and xorg ...  just a thought.. I will go finish my coffee and ponder the universe
[16:23] <tonyyarusso> Jack_Sparrow: That's a lot of files...
[16:23] <Pici> tonyyarusso: stop setaling my thoughts.
[16:23] <Jack_Sparrow> I was thinking just the 4 we see all the time
[16:23] <Gunirus> back
[16:23] <Pici> Gunirus: I unbanned you
[16:24] <Gunirus> just had an X crash
[16:24] <Gunirus> thanks Pici
[16:24] <tonyyarusso> Pici: I'm in your head!
[16:24] <Jack_Sparrow> how many times do we tell people the path to xorg, source list, fstab
[16:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Pick the top 4
[16:25] <Pici> Thats going to still be a long factoid that has 3 paths that the user doesnt need to get confused about
[16:26] <Jack_Sparrow> np...
[16:26] <tonyyarusso> Jack_Sparrow: another thing I'm pondering: is it really wise to tell people where files are and how to edit them when we know that the users reading that information will be the ones who don't know how to use it correctly?
[16:27] <Jack_Sparrow> We do that all day long...
[16:27] <Pici> Depending on what client you are using, you might be able to set up an auto-replace for the file path, like /pathapt would print /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:28] <tonyyarusso> Jack_Sparrow: well, usually we're interacting with them in such a way that we might know how much we need to tell them, whereas the bot wouldn't
[16:28] <Jack_Sparrow> I use lines like this to put the info where they / I can get to it    sudo fdisk -l > ~/Desktop/Partition.Layout.$(date +%m-%d-%Y-%T).txt
[16:29] <Jack_Sparrow> tonyyarusso: I wasnt intending to leave them on their own, just save some typing
[16:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I can make hotkey if I had too
[16:31] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[16:31] <Jack_Sparrow> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/Desktop/xorg.conf.$(date +%m-%d-%Y-%T)              ugh...    hmmmm
[17:39] <gegge87_> buonasera
[17:39] <Jack_Sparrow> good day to you as well
[17:40] <Pici> gegge87_: How can we help you?
[17:40] <gegge87_> ops
[17:40] <gegge87_> excuse me
[17:40] <gegge87_> i've entered the wrong one. goodbye
[17:59] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[17:59] <Pici> hmmm
[17:59] <stdin> I'm guessing that's another "false positive"
[17:59] <Pici> I think so.
[18:00] <Pici> I wonder if the bots are getting lagged and getting confused.
[18:01] <stdin> maybe
[18:02] <LjL-Mobile> status
[18:03]  * Seeker` wonders if LjL is on a mobile phone, or just has a really long power cord
[18:03] <no0tic> Seeker`, he uses avian carriers
[18:04] <stdin> I thought that was hobbsee
[18:04] <LjL-Mobile> I smoke in morse code, sister at home is looking with binoculars and typing
[18:05] <stdin> heh
[18:06] <Seeker`> you mean you dont whistle down the phone line at the right frequency to send data?
[18:06] <Pici> Her avian carriers have avian flu or something, they keep dieing
[18:27] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:27] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:27] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:29] <Pici> !staff | GoldenMagikarp in #ubuntu
[18:29] <ubotu> GoldenMagikarp in #ubuntu: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[18:29] <Pici> er, was at least.
[18:30] <Dave2> we're already on it
[18:30] <Pici> Okay :)
[18:31] <Pici> ninjagambit: Can I help you>?
[18:32] <ninjagambit> i just got a message ubuntu-read-topic
[18:32] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:32] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:32] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:32] <ninjagambit> i was reading the doc fixx dcc exploit
[18:33] <PriceChild> and you followed its advice?
[18:35] <ninjagambit> still reading sorry
[18:38] <ninjagambit> ok im using xchat i dont see a irc.ubuntu.com in my networks, so should i add it or edit freenode in the same way
[18:39] <crdlb> just edit the network you're actually using
[18:39] <Pici> ninjagambit: just modify whatever you used to connect here and change the port
[18:39] <ninjagambit> ok
[18:40] <PriceChild> ninjagambit, its called "Ubuntu Servers"
[18:43] <ninjagambit> ok i got it now
[18:43] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[18:45] <ninjagambit> ok im back in ubuntu now
[18:45] <ninjagambit> thanks
[18:46] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:46] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:46] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[18:47] <vick1> hi
[18:47] <Pici> what the heck is going on today?
[18:47] <vick1> I got this FixDCCExploit error when I joined the channel #ubuntu. Later I was temporarily forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic. Can anyone here assist me in joining back to #ubuntu?
[18:47] <Pici> vick1: Have you followed the directions in the topic in #ubuntu-read-topic?
[18:48] <vick1> updated the port number as per wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[18:48] <Pici> vick1: stand by for testing.
[18:48] <vick1> ok
[18:48] <Pici> vick1: you pass, hold on.
[18:48] <vick1> ok
[18:49] <Pici> vick1: You're all set, you may re-join #ubuntu.  We ask that you part from this channel as well though.
[18:49] <vick1> ok
[18:49] <vick1> thanks for the assitance
[18:58] <Pici> arg, a lot of bans today.
[18:59] <LjL-Mobile>  /ban pici
[19:40]  * Pici wanders off...
[20:17] <ompaul> someone  asking people to alt+f4 just now in #ubuntu - well they were I helped them leave
[20:17] <ompaul> Kirua<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "not really funny, do you now understand")
[20:18] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[20:18] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[20:18] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[20:24] <nalioth> welll, by crikey, that is convenient
[20:24] <PriceChild> hmm?
[20:25] <madcreation1> can i be tested
[20:25] <nalioth> having the floodbots ban the exploit victims to -read-topic
[20:25] <nalioth> madcreation1: did you follow the instructions/
[20:25] <madcreation1> yes
[20:25] <PriceChild> no
[20:25] <nalioth> ok, here we go
[20:26] <ompaul> madcreation1, did you leave the server after you did the update?
[20:26] <nalioth> madcreation1: please read the instructions and follow them  :)
[20:26] <PriceChild> madcreation1, did you change port but not reconnect?
[20:26] <ompaul> test again for the hell of it
[20:26] <ompaul> guess not
[20:27] <PriceChild> fool
[20:27] <ompaul> madcreation1, you did not fix it
[20:27] <madcreation1> ok will try again
[20:27] <ompaul> in the mean time I'll remove you from here we'll see you coming back that way
[20:28] <Strider_> Mind testing me then?
[20:28] <PriceChild> Strider_, reconnectedon the new port?
[20:29] <Strider_>  Looking up irc.ubuntu.com..
[20:29] <Strider_>  Connecting to chat.freenode.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) port 8001..
[20:29] <Strider_>  Connected. Now logging in..
[20:30] <PriceChild> Strider_, you may rejoin #ubuntu
[20:30] <PriceChild> Sorry for the inconvenience.
[20:32] <nalioth> PriceChild: don't apologize for trolls and / or router firmware software writers
[20:32] <PriceChild> ompaul was just telling me :P
[20:33] <PriceChild> great minds...
[20:33] <ompaul> PriceChild, to finish that saying my mother used to say, great minds think alike, fools seldom differ ;-)
[21:43] <ubotu> In ubotu, Jordan_U said: windows is For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents ( removed unnecessary windows bashing remark )
[21:52] <LjL> Seveas? :)
[21:54] <Jordan_U> LjL, ?
[21:54] <LjL> Jordan_U, seveas' factoid. i think he'll do something mean to you. :P
[21:55] <Seeker`> !windows
[21:55] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[21:56] <Seveas> is it that time of the year again? :)
[21:57] <LjL> Seveas: spring bot cleaning? no, this is the pre-christmas one, more tedious even
[21:57] <Seveas> LjL, well requests to change that factoid come about once a year
[21:58] <LjL> Seveas: beware of ompaul, he might give in for the sake of making it shorter :P
[21:58]  * Seveas wil shorten ompaul to opl then :)
[21:58] <LjL> OPL is a pretty awful programming language
[21:59] <Seveas> LjL, I'm not going to chance the factoid but I'm no longer in charge here :)
[22:01] <LjL> Seveas: oh, then i'm afraid you would have no reason to remove a factoid lock if asked *g*
[22:02] <Seveas> LjL, depends on the factoid
[22:02] <Seveas> If I need to remove the LjL factoid, I might :)
[22:03] <Gary> at least I don't have a crazy factoid
[22:04] <LjL> i didn't think i had one
[22:05] <PriceChild> !ljl
[22:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ljl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:05] <PriceChild> !-ljl
[22:06] <LjL> !search ljl
[22:06] <ubotu> Found: ops-#ubuntu-meeting, ops, ops-#kubuntu, testljl-#ubuntu-ops, ops-#ubuntu-effects, testljl-#ubuntu-effects
[22:06] <LjL> !forget testljl-#ubuntu-effects
[22:06] <ubotu> I'll forget that, LjL
[22:06] <LjL> !forget testljl-#ubuntu-ops
[22:06] <LjL> seems i do have some cruft though =)
[22:11] <PriceChild> I forgot :(
[22:12] <LjL> !nickspam > rob    (rob, see the private message from Ubotu)
[22:12] <LjL> *g*
[22:13] <Gary> lol
[22:13]  * rob thinks "get a life" :)
[22:13]  * jenda waves to rob
[22:13]  * somerville32 waves to jenda
[22:13] <jenda> and Gary and PriceChild and LjL and ubotu :)
[22:13] <jenda> and of course, somerville32 :D
[22:14]  * jenda 's hand starts aching
[22:14] <PriceChild> awww :)
[22:14] <Gary> hello precious
[22:14]  * PriceChild laughs at jdong for being forgotten.
[22:14] <somerville32> :D
[22:14] <PriceChild> Seen latest blog post btw?
[22:15] <jenda> PriceChild: not forgotten... left out.
[22:17] <PriceChild> just as bad :P
[22:19]  * Pumpernickel gives a single wave, to be divided up between you squabblers however you want
[22:20]  * Gary wonders if jenda is still scared of him?
[22:21] <jenda> Gary: always ;)
[22:21] <Gary> good good
[22:21] <Gary> :-)
[22:37] <ubotu> In ubotu, ouellettesr said: This is an autoreply: I am currently not available. Please leave your message, and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
[22:38] <Tm_T> .
[22:38] <Mez> !this
[22:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about this - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:38] <Mez> ;)
[22:38] <Mez> !This is an autoreply: I am currently not available. Please leave your message, and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
[22:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[22:38] <Mez> !forget this
[22:38] <ubotu> I'll forget that, Mez
[22:38] <Mez> ;)
[22:39] <PriceChild> no ubotu... forget this not that!
[22:39] <Mez> lol @ PriceChild
[22:39] <Tm_T> :(
[22:39]  * Mez thwacks Ubotwo
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[22:42] <LjL> mwaha
[22:42]  * LjL teases Ubotwo
[22:46]  * somerville32 taserzs LjL
[22:46] <somerville32> Oops :P
[22:49] <Tm_T> bye kids ->
[23:02] <Seeker`> :O
[23:48] <Pelo> what's going on ?
[23:48] <Tm_T> erm?
[23:48] <Pici> Nothing, just that I think you should be in here when you're in #ubuntu
[23:48] <Pelo> pici why ?
[23:49] <Pici> Pelo: Because we talk about #ubuntu and issues about it here, and you are an op.
[23:50] <Pelo> Pici,  I am aware that I am an op thanks you, but I don'T usualy do multiple channels, It trickles down my concentration , which isn't that great these days in the best of cases
[23:50] <ompaul> Pelo, for the art of being trolled - so when we remove someone who is a troll they and their mates get to play here and we get to advise them that we are not reviewing their ban or whatever
[23:50] <Pelo> if other ops need to talk to me about something they know what to do
[23:52] <ompaul> Pelo, na it is the first stop for people who get remove to -read-topic and the likes
[23:53] <Pelo> ompaul, I stand by my unteam like attitude, and I am going back to do what I do best , , talking newbies off the ledge,  you all know where to find me if there is someting I should know
[23:53] <Pelo> later folks
[23:54] <Seeker`> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
[23:54] <Pici> sigh
[23:54] <nalioth> alrighty then
[23:54] <Tm_T> erm?
[23:54] <ompaul> *cough*
[23:55] <Pici> I tried.
[23:55] <LjL> yeah, we don't blame you
[23:55]  * ompaul gives Pici the gold start for trying and a cup of coffee
[23:55] <ompaul> s/start/star


[20:00] <knome> pleia2, do you remember talking about a "pings archive"? my wordpress plugin repository has a plugin that does this with a shortcode, and i can't imagine i would have created this for anything else than xubuntu, but i can't figure out if it was ever in use; the code isn't in launchpad and it isn't installed in staging or production either
[20:00] <knome> pleia2, or in other words, do we feel like we need a page that lists all of our pings?
[20:01] <knome> oh, peculiar
[20:01] <knome> one plugin doesn't seem to be installed however its functionality is tehre
[20:02] <knome> maybe it was builtin the theme?
[20:03] <knome> hmm.
[20:03] <knome> actually i don't think so, so the plugin just doesn't exist
[20:03] <knome> however, it has injected the thing we want in the database
[20:04] <knome> and it's not getting removed by anything, so...
[20:04] <knome> "heh" and well done, canonical IS :P
[21:59] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: thunar 1.8.8 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-thunar-1-8-8-released-tp54836.html (by Alexander Schwinn-2)
[22:00] <Unit193> - Do not register "send to" as last used app (Xfce Bug #14118)