 This is the email in case anyone is curious : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/91b78b98/file_71891.jpg
 Kubuntu Council members, please do let me know, here or via email :)
 raises hand
 Hmmm Ooops I missed the email, but am here and active
 I don't remember seeing it, and can't find it in any inbox 🤔 (re @Rick_Timmis: Hmmm Ooops I missed the email, but am here and active)
 That had me curious too 🤔
 Should I retry it or is anyone on the KC willing to resend/poke that?
 I don't see it in the list archive
 or moderation queue
 Let's move to the meeting phase, we usually setup a doodle with a bunch of times for folks to choose from.
 I'm happy to poke folks in the direction of the doodle
 If needed
 I'll create one, quick sec :)
 Post it here, and email to the list, that would be perfect
 IRC too
 I'll try another email to the list when it's done, if it doesn't go through I may need some help :)
 Oh gosh we need to sort out the Comms channels
 Surprisingly enough, the IRC bridge is still active (re @Rick_Timmis: IRC too)
 Wow!!! OK, that's good
 KDE killed it, then had 2nd thoughts I think
 plumbed matrix rooms next I guess
 https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWWjDzXb
 I'll try the list in less than a few hours
 Hi @ahoneybun @DarinMiller Mamarok ^
 Is there a day or set of times that would work better for you? (re @Rick_Timmis: Hi @ahoneybun @DarinMiller Mamarok ^)
 I can always reissue the link :)
 Having a one on one with Rick tomorrow to catch him up, we'll stick with this meeting link for the rest


[10:54] <doctormo> jono: I think czajkowski was asking me yesterday to run a simple inkscape tutorial while I'm here, it wouldn't be a session, how would I go about doing that?
[10:55] <doctormo> (basically for community, posters, flyers design etc)
[10:55] <czajkowski> doctormo: not me
[10:57] <doctormo> Then perhaps akgraner, I keep getting you two mixed up.
[11:08] <akgraner> doctormo, hehe yeah  - it was me
[11:08] <akgraner> I need to find a good time for that :-)
[11:08] <akgraner> czajkowski, I'll take it as a complement to be mistaken for you :-)
[11:12] <czajkowski> :)
[15:40] <czajkowski> JanC: ping


[13:02] <cachio> zyga, pstolowski|afk standup?
[14:10] <zyga> cachio: holidays today
[14:56]  * cachio afk
[14:56] <cachio> for lunch
[16:22] <brlin> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-seccomp-sandbox-where-a-buggy-golang-seccomp-is-used/11054
[17:02] <kenvandine> zyga: i'm working on adding Yaru-dark to gtk-common-themes and run into an issue
[17:02] <kenvandine> upgrading gtk-common-themes to a snap that includes the additional theme doesn't actually show up for existing snaps that connect to it
[17:02] <kenvandine> zyga: i had to disconnect and connect again
[17:02] <kenvandine> and then it shows up
[17:22] <zyga> kenvandine: please share instructions for me to try
[17:22] <zyga> kenvandine: I'm on holidays today but I will check again
[17:22] <zyga> jdstrand: fun stuff
[17:22] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you for sharing, I think we should talk tomorrow for options
[17:22] <jdstrand> zyga: yes. this is getting fairly frustrating
[17:23] <zyga> jdstrand: I have a personal preference on what to do but it may be unrealistic in the short term
[17:23] <zyga> jdstrand: but I will assist in the path picked by the team
[17:23] <jdstrand> zyga: I can join the standup if it is at a compatible time. when is it?
[17:23] <zyga> jdstrand: 15CET
[17:23] <zyga> jdstrand: let me see if I can invite you
[17:24] <zyga> jdstrand: sent you an invite
[17:24] <zyga> jdstrand: see if you can join at the time
[17:25] <jdstrand> it conflicts iwth something else, but I can move that tomorrow. thanks
[17:25] <kenvandine> zyga: thanks
[17:25] <kenvandine> zyga: once i get a CI build of the snap i'll point you at it
[17:26] <zyga> jdstrand: ack
[17:26] <zyga> jdstrand, kenvandine: I'm going out for a walk with Lucy, ttyl
[17:26] <zyga> jdstrand: thank you for chasing the seccomp bug
[17:26] <kenvandine> zyga: basically, $SNAP/data-dir/themes/Yaru-dark doesn't exist until i disconnect and connect again
[17:26] <jdstrand> zyga: enjoy your day :)
[17:26] <zyga> jdstrand: one request if you can: indicate which versions are affected
[17:26] <kenvandine> zyga: enjoy!
[17:26] <zyga> ttyl!
[17:26] <jdstrand> zyga: I already did, so, 'ok' :)
[18:59] <kenvandine> zyga: bug 1825883
[19:31] <zyga> kenvandine: ack, thank you


[08:06] <mdke> morning all
[22:37] <vadi2> Hi
[22:37] <vadi2> are there any moinmoin experts about?
[22:37] <vadi2> I tried to add an apt link and I crashed it
[22:37] <vadi2> "IOError: [Errno 36] File name too long"
[22:37] <vadi2> http://pastebin.com/mcad394
[22:59] <mdke> vadi2: it looks like you've tried to add an extraordinarily long pagename, which is too long for the filesystem to support
[23:01] <mdke> vadi2: but if that's not right, you might want to ask in #moin
[23:02] <vadi2> mdke: that is right, a shorter link worked
[23:02] <vadi2> any idea how can I get it not to mangle an apturl link?
[23:03] <mdke> vadi2: from the traceback it looks like you are actually trying to create a page with a long name, not insert a link. But, for any more advanced insights, you'll need to try #moin
[23:03] <vadi2> no, it was a link..
[23:04] <mdke> i wasn't aware that apt urls worked on our wiki
[23:05] <vadi2> really...?
[23:05] <vadi2> I was hoping to make some terminal commands more newbie-friendly
[23:05] <mdke> we have some guidelines for referring to installing packages here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/Style
[23:06] <mdke> that's what we like people to use
[23:09] <vadi2> Oh. Too bad, that page seems long and complicated, an apt link is a lot easier
[23:12] <mdke> vadi2: can you tell me about how it works? Has the ubuntu development team approved it as a secure and safe way of installing packages?
[23:13] <mdke> (presumably by the long and complicated comment, you are referring to the InstallingSoftware page rather than the WikiGuide/Style page?)
[23:13] <vadi2> mdke: yeah, they made it in fact
[23:13] <vadi2> mdke: try pasting "apt:firefox-2" for example in the address bar of firefox and pressing enter.
[23:14] <vadi2> mdke: yes, the InstallingSoftware page looks big and user would lose attention and patience quickly trying to comprehend it :(
[23:15] <mdke> I agree
[23:15] <mdke> are there any disadvantages with apturl?
[23:17] <mdke> I wonder how we should use it to ensure that we are helping Ubuntu users viewing the pages on another operating system or printing them.
[23:18] <vadi2> Providing both apturl links as a recommended way and the terminal commands would be fine.
[23:19] <mdke> well, I don't think we should be recommending terminal commands for installing software
[23:20] <mdke> hence the Style page recommendation
[23:21] <mdke> vadi2: how about you kick off a discussion about the use of apturl on the wiki on our mailing list? I see you've filed an rt already for having it enabled, but I'd like to have a discussion about the best way to use it
[23:21] <mdke> that way we can amend the guidelines, if necessary
[23:22] <vadi2> which mailing list is that? There are many
[23:22] <mdke> only one for us. It's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:31] <vadi2> mdke: ok, sent
[23:31] <mdke> thanks very much
[23:33] <mdke> good night :)
[23:33] <vadi2> see you
[23:44] <LaserJock> mdke: if I remember correctly security was a big issue that came up when we discussed using apturl in docs previously
[23:49] <mdke> LaserJock: I'm just about to go off to bed, could you see your way to posting on that thread to explain what the security issues are? If something is blessed by mvo, that's a pretty decent recommendation.
[23:49] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, I'll send an email. I just don't know how much has been done about security since the last time it was discussed
[23:50] <LaserJock> mdke: could be it's now perfectly fine
[23:50] <LaserJock> originally it was quite prone to people putting bad URLs in our wiki pages :(
[23:51] <mdke> maybe copy someone like mvo in then
[23:51] <mdke> he may be able to explain further


[07:44] <rvba> wgrant: Hi! I guess you marking my bugs as qa-ok is due to the fact that I'm blocking the rollout and you know my developments are protected by the feature flag anyway ... right?


[03:44] <ahoneybun> with nvidia 331 drivers installed and a bumblebee setup can anyone  switch to nvidia from intel in nvidia settings?
[03:51] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: hello
[05:38] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[05:49] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[05:50] <valorie> your connection seems a bit unstable tonight
[05:50] <ahoneybun> rebooting to fix driver issues
[05:50] <ahoneybun> got it now
[05:51] <valorie> cool
[05:52] <ahoneybun> yep on Kubuntu currently
[05:53] <ahoneybun> in the working mood at 1:53 am
[05:55] <ahoneybun> valorie: thinking of what needs to be added to the trello board
[05:55] <ahoneybun> for the docs
[05:55] <ahoneybun> also wish that docs.kubuntu.org could look better
[05:57] <valorie> very nice
[05:57] <valorie> great to see you back on Kub.
[05:58] <valorie> I agree
[05:58] <valorie> however, I assume that when the new server stuff is rolled out, it will be a bit fancier
[05:58] <valorie> thank god someone is looking at trello
[05:58] <valorie> I totally fail there....
[05:59] <ahoneybun> yes I'm wondering what I could do for the Videos things I want to do for Kubuntu
[05:59] <valorie> I've missed you, aaron
[06:00] <ahoneybun> valorie: same I missed the interaction
[06:02] <ahoneybun> valorie: new server stuff?
[06:04] <valorie> the new theme and etc.
[06:05] <valorie> you know more than I do
[06:05] <ahoneybun> valorie: test.kubuntu.co.uk?
[06:06] <valorie> yes
[06:06] <ahoneybun> yea
[06:06] <valorie> I believe that will become kubuntu.org once it is done and tested
[06:07] <ahoneybun> yea
[06:10] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to think of what needs work now
[06:12] <valorie> that still needs work and testing,
[06:12] <valorie> but I can't help with that
[06:12] <ahoneybun> valorie: the new site? I'm thinking of what the Docs need
[06:14] <valorie> hard to say until things start to change
[06:14] <valorie> it's so early
[06:15] <valorie> what they need is more translations
[06:15] <ahoneybun> thats for sure
[06:15] <ahoneybun> but I can't help with that but try to spread word about it but I think it has been done well
[06:16] <valorie> I agree
[07:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: shadeslayer: august
[08:44] <apachelogger> doctor in august
[08:44] <apachelogger> need a valium now
[08:44] <apachelogger> over and out
[08:47] <santa_> Riddell: thank you again for pointing me to the bazaar repos and all the info you gave me, I'm afraid I have another question: why some kf5 packages don't have -dev binary packages
[08:47] <santa_> it looks very strange
[08:47] <santa_> I mean
[08:47] <santa_> for istance ki18n doesn't provide a -dev package, and looks like it should
[08:48] <santa_> and then if I look at the apidox package, it seems it depends on something which should be the -dev package of ki18n
[08:49] <santa_> libkf5i18n-dev to be more specific
[08:50] <santa_> so, as I said it looks very birarre to me :D
[08:50] <santa_> what am I missing?
[08:50] <santa_> s/birrare/bizarre/
[08:50] <kubotu> santa_: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[08:50] <santa_> lol @ the bot
[08:55] <yofel> *sigh*
[08:56] <yofel> seriously, what's the problem with wrap-and-sort and kde packages
[08:56] <yofel> it even killed libkf5i18n-dev
[08:59] <yofel> santa_: thanks for spotting
[08:59] <lordievader> apachelogger: Can't wait awesome :D
[08:59] <santa_> really
[09:00] <santa_> yofel: I never would suspected that thing
[09:00] <santa_> I have seen at least another one
[09:00] <yofel> bzr will tell you what happened
[09:01] <santa_> yeah I guess now that you say that
[09:01] <santa_> for some reason I tought you didn't put there since the beginning
[09:01] <santa_> strange things my brain do :)
[09:02] <santa_> if you are interested I can tell you which ones are broken as soon as I build them
[09:02] <santa_> btw do you have any dependency graph?
[09:02] <yofel> there was one somewhere...
[09:04] <santa_> indeed the wrap and sort broke the ki18n
[09:14] <yofel> santa_: http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/kf5_big_0.png
[09:17] <santa_> yofel: a huge thank you
[09:17] <santa_> that's going to save me a lot of time
[09:22] <santa_> yofel: same problem in kwindowsystem, wrap-and-sort again
[09:27] <yofel> santa_: fixed, thanks
[09:28] <yofel> funny enough, if I run wrap-and-sort now it works fine @_@
[09:30] <yofel> ok so
[09:31] <yofel> Riddell: if wrap-and-sort removes packages just add them back by hand and run wrap-and-sort again. After that the control file will be correct and it won't mess up again
[09:48] <santa_> yofel: since you seem on the mood to receive feedback, would you mind to check the debian/rules of kapidox?
[09:48] <santa_> it doesn't build for me, but I think I fixed the thing
[09:49] <yofel> o.O
[09:49] <yofel> that thing looks totally wrong
[09:50] <santa_> yofel: this way http://paste.kde.org/paffn3i1d works for me
[09:51] <yofel> would work I guess,  but the dh line shouldn't be needed as debian-qt-kde.mk is included
[09:51] <yofel> I don't quite remember how to pass those parameters though
[09:51] <yofel> ah, kde-workspace rules shows how to
[10:03] <santa_> yofel: kcrash broken by wrap-and-sort
[10:05] <yofel> fixed
[10:15] <santa_> yofel: kauth broken. guess wat XD
[10:54] <santa_> and kdesu
[11:28] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[11:29] <santa_> and kpty
[11:29] <santa_> BluesKaj: morning
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hi santa_
[11:49] <santa_> and kservice
[12:48] <santa_> and kdoctools
[12:55] <d__ed> can someone with neon look at this: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=287&t=121187&p=311428#p311428 it seems kded5 wasn't being pulled in
[13:10] <Quintasan> yofel: Do you have any idea if I can somehow debug memory leaks on a currently running process?
[13:10] <Quintasan> My kded is leaking horrible amounts of memory
[14:09] <santa_> yofel: hey, mind if I get a launchpad account and fix the wrong wrap-and-sorts myself?
[16:29] <yofel> Quintasan: not really, apachelogger might now
[16:29] <yofel> may way of pinpointing kded issues is usually removing modules one by one over dbus
[20:32] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1322908] package libqt4-opengl 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.6 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: short re... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1322908 (by andy)
[22:53] <jose> Riddell: did you get to add that exception I told you to the ML filter?