[00:04] <StrontiumDog> I can reliably segfault the X server without trying very hard.  Is this something i should be worried about?
[00:09] <Daekdroom> StrontiumDog, yes
[00:11] <StrontiumDog> Daekdroom, I have fglrx installed from standard repo for 10.10, I have virtual box ose installed from standard repo (no customisations to either of these or manually downloaded versions)  If I start VBox X crashes when I move the mouse over it (The first window, not a virtual machine).  Everytime.  I am getting a segfault.  Trace now at http://pastebin.ca/1951726
[00:11] <StrontiumDog> I have xinerama enabled and my desktop spread over 2 screens, if that is relevant.
[00:14] <Daekdroom> Woah woah. Xinerama is way beyond my knowledge, but you can sit around and wait if anyone answers, or file a bugt report.
[00:14] <Daekdroom> *bug
[01:06] <dto1> loving the new ubuntu :)
[01:17] <krabador> hi, where is the font manager?
[01:19] <dto1> krabador: System --> Preferences --> Appearance
[01:21] <krabador> i mean that http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/ubuntu1010rc.png
[01:21] <Opettaja>  Will my install of the Ubuntu 10.10 beta update to the release candidate if i run the update manager?
[01:21] <kklimonda> Opettaja: yes
[01:21] <Opettaja> Ok ty kklimonda
[01:21] <kklimonda> StrontiumDog: you have to report it
[01:21] <krabador> Opettaja: if you continue to do updates normally, you have the release candidate
[01:22] <krabador> where is it http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/ubuntu1010rc.png
[01:24] <BUGabundo> am I the only one facing huge probs with video decoding ?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> after a few seconds or minutes I get lots of slow downs
[01:33] <krabador> where is it http://static.blogo.it/ossblog/ubuntu1010rc.png on maverick?
[01:33] <kklimonda> krabador: it's not installed by default
[01:33] <krabador> kklimonda, ok, it's named "font manager"?
[01:34] <kklimonda> maybe font-manager ?
[01:35] <krabador> kklimonda, yes i found it on synaptic. it will installed by default on maverick stable?
[01:35] <kklimonda> no
[01:35] <kklimonda> maybe in natty
[01:36] <kklimonda> there is going to be a discussion about installing some better font manager on the next developer summit
[01:38] <CQN> is the "fluendo mp3 plugin" offered for install in the installer a binary blob?
[01:38] <CQN> is it different from the mp3 support previously installed through the ubuntu-restricted-extras package?
[01:39] <kklimonda> CQN: it's not
[01:39] <krabador> kklimonda, i can report a great general speed improvements, while i'm using nautilus, and i browse many websites with flash (i installed flashplugin-nonfree) on a athlonxp 1800+ 1gb ram and a geforce 4mx
[01:40] <krabador> kklimonda, i look the ubuntu become slow , time after time by the 7.04
[01:40] <kklimonda> CQN: I'm not sure if it's installed as a dependency of ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:41] <kklimonda> it's recommended by ubuntu-restricted-addons which ubuntu-restricted-extras depends on
[01:41] <CQN> ok, thanks
[01:42] <krabador> kklimonda, maverick i think will be the fastest. can you tell me how many things was improved, to do that?
[01:42] <kklimonda> krabador: font-manager isn't responsible for any speedups
[01:42] <krabador> kklimonda, yes, for sure.
[01:42] <Andre_Gondim> my empahty doesn't connect with gtalk in rc
[01:43] <kklimonda> krabador: no idea what has been done in 10.10 that made it faster on your computer - better X drivers for your gpu may be a reason for that but I'm only guessing
[01:43] <tovella> my ubuntu-one contacts are finally syncing again.  ...Yeah!
[01:44] <kklimonda> good for you
[01:45] <kklimonda> oh wait, I may be able to fix mine if that's true
[01:45] <Some_Person> Woah, the default interface font is now the ubuntu logo font?
[01:45] <kklimonda> yes
[01:46] <BUGabundo> nite
[01:46] <Some_Person> I'm not sure if I like this or not
[01:47] <krabador> what are the famous default font?
[01:56] <bjsnider> Some_Person, let me clarify for you: you do like it
[01:59] <kklimonda> Some_Person: you can always change it
[02:00] <Some_Person> bjsnider: No, I haven't decided if I do or not, and yes, kklimonda, I am aware that it can be changed
[02:05] <krabador> i'm on maverick rc, can i try to use the next default font?
[02:08] <kklimonda> krabador: it should be already installed so you just have to change it in System->Preferences->Appearance
[02:08] <kklimonda> krabador: it's called Ubuntu
[02:08] <krabador> kklimonda, thanx :)
[02:09] <kklimonda> krabador: if it's no (for example you don't use main archive and your mirror is behind) you can install ttf-ubuntu-font-family
[02:09] <plovs>  /join #transmission
[02:09] <krabador> kklimonda, thanx, now i'm trying it :)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> op
[02:13] <krabador> kklimonda, it seems great, what wil be the default configuration of the font?
[02:13] <kklimonda> krabador: no idea
[02:13] <kklimonda> krabador: there has been a discussion about it somewhere
[02:13] <kklimonda> krabador: size 10.5 or 11 afair
[02:14] <krabador> kklimonda, yes 10 it's little
[02:27] <intrader> How do we know when to pick up a new update and what it has fixed - I am waiting for the fix to bug 652470
[02:32] <gnomefreak> there is an app to show changelogs during updates however it is better to look at changelog using the source package. if it was fixed than if the dev added bug number to changelog it will close the bug and show what changes
[02:34] <bjsnider> intrader, just subscribe to the bug and launchpad will send you emails every time anyone comments on it, including when and if it is fixed or the status is changed
[03:05] <kklimonda> intrader: for the 4th time - only because the behaviour changed doesn't mean that it's a bug
[03:51] <linuxman410> i love the new installer on 10.10
[04:17] <perlsyntax> anyone get error before you log into the live cd?
[04:18] <perlsyntax> i get ?
[04:48] <perlsyntax> anyone try ubuntu 10.10 rc
[04:50] <perlsyntax> anyone
[04:52] <perlsyntax> has anyone try the ubuntu 10.10?
[04:55] <kklimonda> well, most of us who are here did
[05:18] <BumOnBoat> on the new netbook edition 10.10 rc ..how do I add stuff to the launch bar?
[05:23] <BumOnBoat> anyone have an answer?
[05:27] <BumOnBoat> still waiting
[05:30] <BumOnBoat> on the new netbook edition 10.10 rc ..how do I add stuff to the launch bar?
[06:10] <zfe> hello
[06:10] <zfe> is the problem with installation from usb solved?
[06:24] <zeeble> hello. which is the meta package to install xfce?
[06:25] <zeeble> got it. xfce4.
[06:49] <zfe> is the problem with installation from usb solved?
[07:04] <bazhang> zfe, got a bug link?
[07:35] <peepingtom> Hi(thx!), could someone who used early gnome 3 builds please tell me if ctrl+alt+T launched a virtual terminal window as in gnome 2.3xxxx?
[07:36] <peepingtom> by "early" builds I mean anything built before gnome 3 release was postponed
[07:40] <zfe> bazhang: there was an issue
[07:40] <zfe> it wasn't able to boot from usb
[07:40] <zfe> for some reasons
[07:40] <bazhang> zfe, using unetbootin to write it?
[07:41] <zfe> bazhang: using unetbootin or  even the ubuntu tools
[07:41] <bazhang> zfe, try to md5 the iso then re-"burn"
[07:41] <zfe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/627672
[07:41] <zfe> this is the bug i think
[07:42] <bazhang> zfe, you have a mini?
[07:42] <zfe> yes
[07:42] <zfe> well, a netbook
[07:42] <bazhang> odd. works here on my eeepc
[07:43] <zfe> when did you install it?
[07:43] <zfe> what daily image?
[07:43] <bazhang> the beta/RC
[07:43] <bazhang> couple of days ago
[07:44] <zfe> ok
[07:44] <zfe> netbook edition?
[07:44] <bazhang> yep
[07:45] <zfe> mmm
[07:45] <zfe> so there is the rc around?
[07:45] <bazhang> just yesterday
[07:45] <bazhang> see the topic
[07:46] <bazhang> sometimes takes me a couple of times with unetbootin, not found much success with usb-creator
[07:46] <vish> hmm has disk utility changed in maverick?
[07:47] <vish> i cant find a way to look at the sector as mentioned in » http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8981588&postcount=17
[07:48] <zfe> thanks bazhang
[07:48] <bazhang> zfe, welcome
[07:51] <blargh> ran sudo update-manager -d but no notification of release candidate?
[07:52] <kklimonda> blargh: if you are on 10.10 (beta, alpha or daily) then you don't have to run update-manager -d to upgrade to beta
[07:52] <kklimonda> blargh: just upgrade system
[07:52] <blargh> kklimonda: you mean just update it?
[07:52] <bazhang> blargh, yes
[07:54] <blargh> aaaah so when the final release is out it'll just switch to being 'Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat' as opposed to Ubuntu maverick (development branch)
[07:56] <bazhang> !final
[07:56] <bazhang> yep
[07:57] <blargh> ah great thanks for the help ^^
[08:04] <yao_ziyuan> two questions:
[08:04] <yao_ziyuan> 1. where can i download a particular past alpha cd (e.g. kubuntu jaunty alpha 5)?
[08:05] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, why would you need to
[08:05] <UndiFineD> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:05] <yao_ziyuan> 2. does alpha releases generally run slower / use more hardware resources (e.g. CPU time) than final releases?
[08:06] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: debugging a past problem related to that alpha release
[08:06] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, was it not fixed subsequently?
[08:07] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: just want to find out what exactly caused the problem
[08:08] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, bug number?
[08:08] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: not a public bug
[08:08] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: just my own experience
[08:08] <yao_ziyuan> please see my second question
[08:08] <yao_ziyuan> 2. does alpha releases generally run slower / use more hardware resources (e.g. CPU time) than final releases?
[08:09] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, alpha5? of course much more problematic.
[08:09] <yao_ziyuan> am i right that binaries in an alpha release are generally compiled in "debug mode" so that they include more error-checking code and run slower?
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: are you talking about jaunty alpha 5 or alpha 5s in general?
[08:10] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, jaunty? this is for maverick
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> you always have 5 alphas before betas, right?
[08:10] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, and #ubuntu is for stable releases, not alphas
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> i remember jaunty underwent 6 alphas
[08:11] <bazhang> cant remember atm
[08:11] <yao_ziyuan> does the same app, say, ktorrent, compile differently in an alpha and in a final release?
[08:12] <bazhang> compile? why not just install from repos? or you mean from the contributors standpoint
[08:12] <yao_ziyuan> yes
[08:13] <yao_ziyuan> when they're made into packages
[08:13] <bazhang> that was an either or question
[08:14] <yao_ziyuan> when you release an alpha or beta, you're supposed to build apps with more debugging information, and therefore they would run slower than a final release, right?
[08:22] <yao_ziyuan> got the answer from #ubuntu-devel and #kubuntu-devel
[08:22] <bazhang> good work
[08:22] <yao_ziyuan> alphas and releases use the same compiler options
[08:23] <yao_ziyuan> there are separate packages for debugging information
[08:23] <yao_ziyuan> bazhang: let's chitchat. your nick seems mainland pinyin, so you're from mainland china?
[08:24] <bazhang> yao_ziyuan, in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[08:30] <darthanubis> how does maverick compare to lucid?
[08:30] <Vardan> people I have problem with watching on-line movies (by flash player) when compiz started. I'm using kubuntu 10.10 2.6.35-22-generic x86_64.
[08:30] <darthanubis> in whatever terms
[08:30] <darthanubis> less bugs?
[08:30] <darthanubis> stability?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> yes darthanubis
[08:31] <darthanubis> lol
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> im veru happy with stability
[08:31] <darthanubis> I mean
[08:31] <darthanubis> that is good
[08:31] <darthanubis> to hear
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> the most stable ubuntu ive ever tested
[08:31] <darthanubis> good
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> and fast
[08:31] <darthanubis> thats my concern
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> im using 64 bit
[08:31] <darthanubis> me too
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> lucid had many issues for both my laptop and desktop
[08:32] <darthanubis> i want to test it again this debian install and see speed wise
[08:32] <darthanubis> the last I tesed maverick was beta?
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> yes im on it right now
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> full is october release
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> so even beta, is the best ive had
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> system halt @ 4sec
[08:33] <darthanubis> how is the latest Gnome and Nautilus features?
[08:34] <darthanubis> are
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> there are cool features, not sure if i tested them all
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu one syncro option in nautilus
[08:35] <darthanubis> how about the software center, are the paid for apps being advertised at all?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> hmm not sure
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> i dont pay apps lol
[08:36] <darthanubis> I just installed it to Vbox
[08:36] <darthanubis> I only by android apps
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> im on laptop here
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> not tested toucscreen support or androids
[08:37] <darthanubis> Just got the desktop up
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> i love the speeds and compiz eye candy
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> everything works this timeµ
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> darthanubis: my recent x http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/9673/screenshot3dz.png
[08:59] <mcp_> Apt (and Update-Manager) downloads freeze after several megabytes. Canceling and restarting apt gets some more MBs downloaded. Depending on the size of files to download, this means lots of restarts. Anyone knows how to fix this?
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> your internet connection good mcp_?
[09:02] <Votan> ello, to upgrade from beta to RC, do I have to do something else then running the update manager ?
[09:02] <mcp_> lotuspsychje, i think so. Never had that problems until i updated to Maverick. Other Internet-apps (webbrowser/irc) work fine .
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> did u update apt-get too mcp_
[09:03] <mcp_> lotuspsychje, there is no update to upt-get available currently.
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> ok
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> are u on wifi or cable mcp_
[09:04] <mcp_> cable
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> strange
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> maybe check some recent bugs on launchpad for apt-get?
[09:05] <twermund> Is anyone using the 10.10 RC audio problems with an Intel sound card?
[09:06] <twermund> :(
[09:06] <twermund> just me then?
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> no sound issues here twermund
[09:08] <twermund> I had the sound-indicator package disabled before I upgraded, and then decided to try it out after I did my upgrade this afternoon. Now I can't get any audio to work! blech.
[09:12] <mcp_> twermund, So you have no sound at all? Did you check your volume-levels in alsamixer? Sometimes upgrading ubuntu mutes the sound.
[09:33] <zaidka> hi. since i updated to maverick im not able to connect to Google Talk in Empathy. Can anyone help me?
[09:42] <kklimonda> zaidka: maybe that will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9903575 ?
[09:43] <zaidka> cool. thanks kklimonda
[09:51] <twermund> is anyone havingsound issues with the 10.10 RC?
[09:55] <zaidka> twermund, yes probably
[09:59] <tetsuo55> just checking
[09:59] <tetsuo55> i should NOT run the partial update being offered right now right?
[10:02] <bazhang> tetsuo55, RC now?
[10:02] <tetsuo55> what do you mean?
[10:07] <twermund> tetsuo55: Are you currently at Release Candidate Level of 10.10 or are you still running the Beta?
[10:08] <kth> hello guys - ive got a maybe simple question -
[10:08] <kth> 'top' throws "TERM environment variable not set." - which term do i have to set or where is this error located ?
[10:08] <tetsuo55> twermund: bazhang > i installed the beta a few weeks ago, and have been updating once an hour
[10:12] <twermund> oh, well something broke my sound when I updated today
[10:12] <twermund> so I wouldn't advise it if you are using an intel sound card
[10:12] <lebeau> hi all in ubuntu 10.10 beta mac spoofing is temporary if we logout it goes back to original mac
[10:13] <lebeau> is that a bug or originally designed likethat?
[10:14] <tetsuo55> ill try again later then
[10:14] <lebeau> twermund! may be any configuration problem
[10:15] <lebeau> twermund! is it a dell laptop?
[10:15] <twermund> I've tried purging pulseaudio and reinstalling it
[10:16] <twermund> no, it's an old gateway desktop
[10:16] <twermund> lebeau: I didn't have the indicator-sound package installed when I upgraded to the 10.10 RC this afternoon
[10:16] <twermund> but then installed it to test out the new rhythmbox goodness (can you blame me?)
[10:17] <twermund> after I restarted my sound wouldn't work
[10:17] <tetsuo55> i dont have any updates to the audio stacks available for this partial one
[10:18] <lebeau> My friend had dell studio 1555 he got similar problem in his laptop
[10:18] <twermund> lebeau: hmm, sounds like a pretty troublesome bug for a RC
[10:18] <lebeau> but we fixed that by a suggestion given in ubuntu forum
[10:19] <twermund> lebeau: and what was that?
[10:20] <lebeau> wait
[10:20] <lebeau> let me recall
[10:21] <lebeau> options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m6 add this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base file
[10:21] <lebeau> if you have dell
[10:23] <lebeau> you need to be a sudoer to do this
[10:24] <lebeau> twermund! ($ nano  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base)
[10:24] <mikehh> the splash screen on boot up and restart messes up with the nvidia drivers installed
[10:26] <lebeau> mikehh: then go as single user and remove nvidia drivers and use recovery mode to fix the xserver
[10:27] <lebeau> mikehh: Did you use jockey-gtk to install driver?
[10:27] <tetsuo55> can i check what a partial update wants to do beforew agreeing to actually do it?
[10:27] <mikehh> lebeau: it doesn't kill the system or anything - it just gets overwritten with terminal info
[10:28] <lebeau> twermund: u there?
[10:29] <mikehh> on the splash screen
[10:29] <lebeau> u got problems with splash screen only correct?
[10:29] <lebeau> what is your screen resolution?
[10:29] <mikehh> as far as I can see
[10:30] <lebeau> i got this problem with ati
[10:30] <mikehh> 1600x1080 or something like that
[10:30] <lebeau> nvidia driver dosent support this much resolution while boot time
[10:31] <lebeau> so we can make it support lesser but better resolution
[10:32] <twermund> lebeau: sorry, I got lost in the forums for a bit
[10:32] <twermund> I'm going to try this fix real fast
[10:32] <twermund> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1316634
[10:32] <lebeau> mikehh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1541970
[10:33] <lebeau> mikehh: try this
[10:33] <lebeau> twermund: its ok
[10:37] <lebeau> twermund : http://www.linlap.com/wiki/dell+studio+17
[10:37] <lebeau> twermund : try this too
[10:38] <phoenix_> anyone tried kubuntu 10.10
[10:39] <lebeau> \exit
[10:39] <mikehh> phoenix_: I installed the rc earlier
[10:40] <phoenix_> mikehh: what can you say about the new version
[10:42] <mikehh> phoenix_: it looked quite good, I haven't finished installing everything yet, (in ubuntu 10.10 atm, which I installed from the beta, updated as of a few minutes ago))
[10:43] <bogdomania> cheers guys.. i get this in the console while trying to start nautilus:     symbol lookup error: nautilus: undefined symbol: g_application_get_type
[10:43] <bogdomania> any ideas?
[10:43] <kklimonda> bogdomania: you have some weird nautilus
[10:44] <bogdomania> weird? then you have it too..it's the same
[10:44] <chandru_in> I've been using Maverick since beta.  However, I'm unable to sync my files to ubuntu one.  When I start the ubuntu one config I'm not even prompted to conenct to the service
[10:45] <kklimonda> g_application_ has been removed from glib before 2.26 release but it shouldn't affect nautilus (which has been fixed not to use those symbols)
[10:46] <kklimonda> bogdomania: what is your nautilus' version?
[10:46] <bogdomania> so, a simple update should fix this
[10:47] <kklimonda> sure, that's the first thing to try
[10:47] <bogdomania> GNOME nautilus 2.31.90
[10:47] <bogdomania> that's what i get while $nautilus --version
[10:48] <phoenix_> mikehh: is there any ui improvements
[10:49] <kklimonda> bogdomania: make sure that your system is up to date
[10:49] <gianluca__> hello
[10:49] <kklimonda> bogdomania: use the main mirror and do standard update dance (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade)
[10:49] <bogdomania> i will update it now..
[10:49] <phoenix_> mikehh:the kpackagekit upgrade is good
[10:49] <chandru_in> does anyone hare successfully use ubuntu one file syncing?
[10:50] <kklimonda> chandru_in: I use it
[10:50] <phoenix_> mikehh: how is the vlc player, is it default. have you tried playing any hd videos using vlc
[10:50] <kklimonda> chandru_in: you should ask on #ubuntuone as that's where developers are
[10:50] <chandru_in> Can u help me with the issue I mentioned above?
[10:51] <chandru_in> ok
[10:51] <mikehh> phoenix_: not yet, will try some of that stuff later, and report back
[10:51] <chandru_in> thanks kklimonda
[10:51] <phoenix_> mikehh: i cant find a good review on the net. can you point a good one
[10:53] <mikehh> phoenix_: haven't seen any myself
[10:54] <mikehh> anyway got to sort out some other stuff - bbl
[10:56] <phoenix_> mikehh: see you
[10:58] <zfe> i can't install from usb
[10:58] <zfe> is it normal?
[11:10] <zfe> i can't install from usb
[11:10] <zfe> is it ok?
[11:11] <|ns|nR8> yep
[11:12] <zfe> so, there is no way to install ubuntu 10.10 on a netbook?
[11:12] <zfe> :S
[11:14] <|ns|nR8> no option to boot from usb ?
[11:15] <zfe> i can
[11:15] <zfe> just it looks broken
[11:15] <zfe> "no initrd found"
[11:15] <zfe> and it seems it is a common problem for ubuntu 10.10
[11:15] <|ns|nR8> tried alternate ?
[11:15] <|ns|nR8> alternate installer
[11:18] <zfe> yes
[11:18] <zfe> same problem
[11:30] <m4rtin> will a dist-upgrade on beta push me to RC?
[11:31] <|ns|nR8> apt-get update
[11:32] <|ns|nR8> apt-get upgrade
[11:37] <janisozaur> hello. I've installed maverick rc on hp/compaq 8510p laptop and middle touchpad buttons aren't working. they used to in lucid. In fx middle-clicking acts similar to left-click and most other apps simply ignore it (I use it to access the "other" clipboard). my xorg.conf didn't specify any options regardins this touchpad. middle click works with external mouse. see http://pastebin.com/6S9i3AiM for some log
[11:38] <janisozaur> how can I re-enable middle button?
[11:48] <zfe> anybody solved the problem with booting from usb drive?
[11:53] <kklimonda> zfe: have you tried unchecking the "persistent storage" option in usb-creator?
[11:53] <zfe> i tried
[11:53] <zfe> but lemme retry
[11:53] <zfe> ah, i'm using the usb-creator from a non-ubuntu distro
[11:53] <zfe> is it ok?
[11:54] <kklimonda> no idea
[11:54] <kklimonda> it may be a problem
[11:54] <zfe> why is it so troublesome by the way?
[11:55] <kklimonda> no idea, I'm just aware of some problems with the usb installer
[12:11] <BajK> hm, just installed 10.10 RC and now it's broken again
[12:11] <BajK> too good that yesterday I downloaded the Beta image for installation on my external hdd
[12:11] <bazhang> BajK, broken how
[12:12] <BajK> bazhang: a similar behaviour as I had a few weeks ago. I installed it, started it, all fine. then apt-get update && dist-upgrade and now xserver does not start up anymore
[12:12] <BajK> but at least this time it does not end up in an infinite loop but I end up at the console after the second crash
[12:12] <BajK> but I didn't have time finding out the reason or looking up log files so far
[12:12] <gnomefreak> intel?
[12:12] <bazhang> BajK, why not wait for the packages held back
[12:13] <bazhang> ie just upgrade, not dist-upgrade
[12:13] <BajK> gnomefreak: virtualbox on nvidia
[12:13] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:13] <BajK> bazhang: hm.. good point. well, i always do that and it always works^^
[12:13] <gnomefreak> nvidia works here
[12:13] <BajK> gnomefreak: but even desktop effects were working good but well
[12:13] <BajK> when backup is finished I'll give it another try
[12:14] <bazhang> BajK, desktop effects work in virtualbox?
[12:14] <BajK> bazhang: yes?
[12:14] <bazhang> nvidia (non vm) works great here with oss drivers
[12:14] <BajK> of course the 3d cube and stuff don't work but shadow effects, dimming parent windows, window previews and such work fine
[12:15] <bazhang> hmm. never bothered with a vm
[12:15] <BajK> but yesterday I installed kubuntu 10.10 beta on my external hdd for school usage
[12:15] <BajK> (and showed it a friend of mine, he loves it)
[12:16]  * gnomefreak loves it too ;)
[12:16] <BajK> I was sceptical about 10.10
[12:16] <BajK> but
[12:16] <BajK> there are improvements that just make it neccessary for me :D
[12:16] <BajK> such as the great great kpackagekit
[12:16] <BajK> and krunner is not that slow anymore
[12:16] <BajK> and i do mostly anything via krunner so this is a thing very important to me
[12:17] <bazhang> ah this is kubuntu then
[12:17] <gnomefreak> it looks like oo.o is being updated
[12:17] <BajK> I don't like gnome, so this is why KDE :D
[12:17] <BajK> or well it's not that i don't like it
[12:17] <BajK> but i am just too lazy getting used to something differnet
[12:17] <bazhang> yep ubuntu here
[12:17] <BajK> I grew up with KDE since version 1.0 back in 1999
[12:18] <BajK> but I consider the theme changes in 10.10 a step back
[12:18] <gnomefreak> i have too many DEs to name let alone remember
[12:18] <BajK> i loved the arrows for maximize/minimize
[12:18] <BajK> but I find the sqare and horizontal line don'T fit the round buttons
[12:19] <BajK> gnomefreak: I hope oo.o will get an update
[12:19] <BajK> I use MS Office with Wine :)
[12:19] <BajK> If microsoft can do just one thing, than it's a great office package
[12:19] <BajK> *then
[12:19] <gnomefreak> BajK: for me it is now but not sure the version you were hoping for
[12:19] <BajK> gnomefreak: ?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> BajK: OO.o update
[12:20] <BajK> hm, I am hoping for a major interface update^^
[12:20] <gnomefreak> 1:3.2.1-7ubuntu1
[12:20] <BajK> I don't expect ribbons but oo.o looks so 20th-century..
[12:20] <BajK> I hate backing up games -.-
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i dont ever play games on PC
[12:21] <BajK> g
[12:21] <BajK> I mostly don't.
[12:21] <BajK> but sometimes i need to^^
[12:21] <BajK> I re-encountered my old Star Trek Bridge Commander :)
[12:21] <BajK> i love it
[12:22] <BajK> hm but there are still some bugs in kio... it shows "0 seconds left" and does not display a tarnsfer rate..
[12:24] <djdarkman> hi, is there a way to make tomboy's systray icon behave normal?
[12:24] <BajK> djdarkman: what do you consider "normal"?
[12:25] <djdarkman> like in Lucid, without that foreced indicator-like behavior
[12:25] <djdarkman> *forced
[12:25] <BajK> i don't get what you mean
[12:25] <BajK> djdarkman: gnome or kde?
[12:25] <djdarkman> gnome
[12:26] <BajK> ah okay, that's why. I am not a gnome-person :)
[12:26] <djdarkman> right clicking doesn't work, clicking it with left, brings up a horrible menu
[12:26] <Cameron> hi, just installed maverick rc, and when I login my gnome panel looks like an old gnome desktop.  I have this in .xsession-errors : * (gnome-settings-daemon:1684): WARNING **: You can only run one xsettings manager at a time; exiting
[12:27] <djdarkman> it should be as broken in KDE as it is in GNOME
[12:28] <Cameron> then when I run "sudo gnome-settings-daemon --no-daemon" form a termina, the terminal turns purple and the gnome panel  looks  like I expect
[12:32] <djdarkman> how can I report a bug agains tomboy for maverick?
[12:32] <gnomefreak> djdarkman: ubuntu-bug tomboy
[12:33] <djdarkman> thanks
[12:33] <gnomefreak> np
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Cameron: go to a terminal (ctrl+alt+F2) once there you can kill X than restart X
[12:34] <yofel> djdarkman: right clicking works fine in tomboy started in KDE, kubuntu doesn't use indicators
[12:34] <yofel> left click does nothing though
[12:35] <gnomefreak> i dont use tomboy
[12:35] <djdarkman> hmmmm, then this may be disabled then, well I need to report a bug anyway, because the colors are messed up thanks yofel
[12:35] <yofel> me neither, but I have most of gnome installed for testing
[12:36]  * gnomefreak still wonders why we dont use openoffice.org in the installer
[12:53] <jxjl> good afternoon, I just downloaded ubuntu 10.10 RC and I would like to know, if there is any way, how to install classic netbook interface
[12:59] <gnomefreak> netbook remix IIRC
[13:07] <jxjl> netbook remix iirc
[13:11] <janisozaur> I've installed maverick rc on my laptop and it doesn't properly handle middle-button clicks (I have 3 physical buttons). It acts similarily to left button, but not exactly the same. xev reports middle button as 1 instead of 2. it used to work in lucid with no additional configuration. I can trigger button 2 with three-finger-tap. for logs see http://pastebin.com/PuA1ecz5. how can I restore middle button functionality?
[13:12] <BajK> hm weird.. kpackagekit seems to be broken
[13:12] <BajK> "Sorry" - "An unknown error happened."
[13:12] <BajK> whatever I click or do^^
[13:26] <sevenseeker> in case this is not already known:  W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick-updates/multiverse/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  Unable to connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:http: [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[13:30] <gnomefreak> sevenseeker: use a different mirror (example): remove the us. from the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:30] <gnomefreak> dont forget about the .
[13:32] <sevenseeker> gnomefreak, already done, but just wanted to FYI, thanks for the info though ;)
[13:48] <cptblod> running ubuntu 10.10 (tried 10.04 too) and i cannot get any hdmi audio, here's aplay -l / -L : http://pastebin.ca/1952453 any ideas?
[14:18] <nogo> it's weird. the 10.10 is released
[14:19] <bazhang> nogo, RC only
[14:20] <nogo> ic
[14:20] <dto1> it works pretty well though.
[14:20] <dto1> i had a tiny issue with the refresh rate on my monitor being detected wrong.
[14:21] <dto1> i have to set it to 60hz manually in Nvidia Settings, each time i log in. even though i am doing Save To X Config File
[14:21] <dto1> bazhang: i like the new font.
[14:21] <nogo> dto1: it's possible. the new igp chips don't support old monitor's modes well
[14:21] <bazhang> dto1, not tried it yet
[14:21] <dto1> bazhang: i heard they are looking for feedback on the font. highly readable
[14:22] <dto1> nogo: trying HDMI, i found that my monitor reports wrong EDID data. so it's not ubuntu's fault :)
[14:22] <nogo> dto1: i am always lucky. ubuntu eats my dcc/edid
[14:23] <nogo> dto1: i don't even need a xorg.conf and modline hacks.
[14:24] <dto1> what else is new in the rc?
[14:24] <dto1> nogo: :)
[14:24] <dto1> i have a weird toshiba lcd tv
[14:24] <nogo> (thouth i have a goldern xorg.conf already)
[14:24] <dto1> it's really nice tho.
[14:25] <nogo> everybody has a truck of gold dotfiles
[14:25] <dto1> what do you mean by gold]
[14:25] <nogo> fine-turned for years
[14:26] <nogo> i obey the rules of ubuntu as possible
[14:26] <DASPRiD> is anyone of you experiencing sluggish gui performance?
[14:28] <nogo> DASPRiD: what kind of problem?
[14:28] <DASPRiD> nogo, uh, nevermind, seems like turning of pulseaudio fixed that thing (again)
[14:29] <nogo> DASPRiD: you can finish all twearks in one week or month.
[14:29] <DASPRiD> twearks
[14:29] <DASPRiD> ?
[14:30] <nogo> DASPRiD: so your sounds don'y play well with your videos?
[14:30] <nogo> hahaha
[14:30] <DASPRiD> nah not that
[14:30] <nogo> i found there were bugs in ubuntu 10.04, made by the developers
[14:31] <nogo> DASPRiD: what do you care about? such as?
[14:31] <DASPRiD> oh, i have those bugs as well
[14:32] <james296> does anyone here know if its possible to configure notify OSD yet?
[14:32] <DASPRiD> but at home :)
[14:35] <cptblod> running ubuntu 10.10 (tried 10.04 too) and i cannot get any hdmi audio, here's aplay -l / -L : http://pastebin.ca/1952453 any ideas?
[14:39] <nogo> cptblod: i have 3 applets for mixer, alsa and pulse. they can control whether you want to use the hdmi
[14:40] <cptblod> i've tried with and without pulse, but wont get it to work
[14:40] <nogo> cptblod: what's your hdmi ouput target?
[14:42] <nogo> cptblod: in my pulse applet, i can use the inner codec or hdmi at once
[14:43] <nogo> i am curious. is there any pure hdmi external speaker? (not tv something)
[14:48] <DASPRiD> nogo, loh, looks like i still have the performance problem, when switching workspaces, scrolling in windows and such, xorg goes up to 60% cpu usage
[14:48] <plovs> DASPRiD might be a driver problem, if it is using the cpu instead of the graphic-card
[14:52] <jiohdi> I have never gone from beta to full... is it just a final update or does it upgrade everything like a new install?
[14:53] <DASPRiD> plovs, using nvidia blob
[14:55] <zanus> Description:	Ubuntu maverick (development branch) Release:	10.10
[14:55] <zanus> Does this mean I have RC1
[14:56] <bazhang> zanus, up to date as of today?
[14:56] <zanus> yes
[14:56] <bazhang> then yes
[14:56] <marcosroriz> Hello guys, I've got a new computer. Should I go with Kubuntu 10.10 RC, or wait for the release?
[14:56] <zanus> ok
[14:56] <bazhang> marcosroriz, up to you, seems quite stable
[14:56] <marcosroriz> hmm :)
[14:56] <marcosroriz> ok I"ll go with the rc
[14:56] <bazhang> 9 days from final
[14:57] <budz0r> hello there
[14:57] <marcosroriz> I can't wait :3
[14:57] <marcosroriz> >.<'
[14:57] <jiohdi> I am using unity beta seems very stable so far
[14:57] <jiohdi> but its having daily updates like crazy
[14:58] <plovs> DASPRiD there are some extra things to you can muck around with: gksudo nvidia-settings
[14:58] <budz0r> i'm using ubuntu 10.10 on lenovo ideapad s10-3, n10 graphic controller, and i can't boot any kernel after 2.6.35-18-generic, kernel freezes when trying to load firmware
[14:58] <budz0r> did anyone had same problem?
[14:59] <budz0r> i don't know where's the catch
[15:00] <budz0r> probably in drivers for intel graphic card
[15:00] <plovs> DASPRiD  "glxinfo |grep rendering" to see if it working
[15:00] <DASPRiD> plovs, direct rendering: Yes
[15:00] <budz0r> i didn't find anything on launchpad so far
[15:01] <Volkodav> when will the wallpapers and splash images start working in grub ? on release only ?
[15:02] <budz0r> and i am not a bot :)
[15:07] <jiohdi> I have never gone from beta to full... is it just a final update or does it upgrade everything like a new install?
[15:07] <bazhang> !final | jiohdi
[15:07] <jiohdi> kewl
[15:10] <zanus> I am able to add the Indicator Applet to panel, but it is lacking the volume control
[15:12] <Ken8521> zanus, did you remove the volume indicator?
[15:13] <zanus> never did, I have also checked the package manager, pulseaduio, also & gnome-tools are all installed
[15:13] <plovs> DASPRiD some more notes here: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-d.html
[15:13] <zanus> *alsa
[15:13] <plovs> DASPRiD look at the correct version of the driver
[15:13] <DASPRiD> plovs, are there maverick related notes?
[15:14] <Ken8521> zanus, look in the package manager, and see if indicator-sound is installed
[15:14] <donvito2> If i download maverick now do i need to download it later again when final will release?
[15:14] <DASPRiD> plovs, because the bug is new in maverick
[15:14] <bazhang> donvito2, no
[15:14] <Ken8521> and you're sure you have notification area on the panel, right?
[15:14] <donvito2> So whats the diference?
[15:14] <bazhang> donvito2, more up to date
[15:14] <zanus> aha.. thanks Ken8521, hopefully that'll fix it
[15:14] <donvito2> Ok
[15:14] <plovs> DASPRiD the link is for xorg.conf notes, it works on any version of linux that has hat nvidia driver ubuntu/suse etc
[15:15] <donvito2> Ill wait for final
[15:15] <Ken8521> zanus, yeah, if that wasn't installed(which i can't imagine why it wasn't).... that's why you had no sound applet.
[15:15] <Ken8521> after you install it, restart X, and you should have the sound applet
[15:15] <DASPRiD> plovs, well then the question is what changed between lucid and maverick
[15:15] <plovs> DASPRiD you can see what kind of nvidia card you have with: lspci | grep nvidia
[15:15] <zanus> awesome it is back, thank you
[15:15] <DASPRiD> i know…
[15:16] <plovs> DASPRiD newer version of the nvidia driver?
[15:16] <Ken8521> DASPRiD, same things that change between most versions, software updates, and a few tweaks here and there.. usually dramatic changes are quickly noticed
[15:16] <Ken8521> DASPRiD, the installer for 10.10 is quite a bit better than previous versions.
[15:16] <plovs> DASPRiD you might try envy to install another version of the driver, but it is a sure way to mess up your system, off course
[15:17] <DASPRiD> yup, as always
[15:17] <Ken8521> envy is really a bad idea, especially considering the driver in hardware drivers, typically works quite well.
[15:17] <DASPRiD> Ken8521, the rc actually reveals 4 bugs do me ;)
[15:17] <Ken8521> DASPRiD, not really sure what your point is, every release has bugs
[15:17] <DASPRiD> Ken8521, oh, five, cedega/wine broke as well
[15:18] <Ken8521> wine works fine for me
[15:18] <DASPRiD> Ken8521, 1.2 or 1.3
[15:18] <plovs> Ken8521 yes, it is a bad idea, but DASPRiD has a regression in the quality of the nvidia-blob
[15:18] <DASPRiD> ?
[15:18] <Ken8521> .2 worked fine, i upgraded to .3, and it works fine also.
[15:18] <DASPRiD> plovs, don't have to be the nvidia blog, could also be a bug in xorg
[15:18] <acuster> maverick mis-detects my screen size as 1600x1200 rather than 1400x1050
[15:19] <acuster> and fails, like lucid, to come back from sleep
[15:19] <plovs> DASPRiD you still have a copy of your old xorg.conf?
[15:20] <acuster> system is up, virtual terminals work
[15:20] <acuster> but widgets are not drawn
[15:20] <plovs> acuster can you restart gdm?
[15:20] <DASPRiD> plovs, the xorg.conf didn't change while the upgrade
[15:20] <acuster> seems like X expects more memory than it has
[15:20] <plovs> DASPRiD then it's the blob, what number is it?
[15:20] <acuster> plovs, thanks will try
[15:21] <DASPRiD> plovs, latest -- why does it have to be a the blob? could be a new bug introduced into xorg
[15:21] <plovs> DASPRiD not if the xorg did not change, and nowadays xorg.conf is almost empty anyway
[15:22] <murlidhar> what is the firefox version in maverick ?
[15:22] <DASPRiD> plovs, xorg.conf isn't the program itself ;)
[15:22] <DASPRiD> murlidhar, 3.6.10
[15:22] <murlidhar> ah okiez.
[15:22] <plovs> DASPRiD i know it's the settings
[15:22] <murlidhar> i just upgraded my lucid to maverick and i dno't see the new sound app menu in the gnome panel :|
[15:23] <acuster> on the live cd, restarting gdm just dumps me back into X, both panels are drawn, background is drawn, clicking has no effects, main menu and applets are missing but logout buttons are present
[15:24] <DASPRiD> plovs, abotu version: Version: 256.53-0ubuntu3
[15:26] <plovs> DASPRiD ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.53/README/index.html
[15:27] <bjsnider> DASPRiD, this issue was fixed in the 260 blob which you can find int he x-updates ppa
[15:28] <DASPRiD> bjsnider, which was the exact issue? was there a bug report or something?
[15:28] <zanus> The Lexmark x5340, is there a driver for this printer.... anywhere.  I've searched high and low, but all I can find are Windows drivers (install packages)
[15:30] <bjsnider> DASPRiD, it was an nvidia issue, so they fixed it
[15:30] <DASPRiD> bjsnider, i'll try to upgrade, thx
[15:30] <DASPRiD> bjsnider, i hope ubuntu maverick will tkae the 260 blob into the repository
[15:30] <bjsnider> no, do or do not, there is no try
[15:31] <DASPRiD> well i try if it helps ;)
[15:31] <bjsnider> currently the 260 blob is a beta, so unless nvidia releases a stable 260 in the next couple of weeks it will have to wait
[15:31] <DASPRiD> ah okay
[15:31] <DASPRiD> rebooting
[15:31] <Ken8521> zanus, i think a lot of lexmark printers have drivers on lexmark's site
[15:32] <zanus> currently there are none for linux :(
[15:32] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[15:33] <bjsnider> best linux printer support: epson
[15:35] <DASPRiD> bjsnider, great, looks fixed :)
[15:38] <zanus> Ken8521: I have found this http://support.lexmark.com/index?page=downloadFile&actp=CONTENT&productCode=LEXMARK_X5340&id=DR20523&segment=DOWNLOAD&userlocale=EN_US&locale=en&oslocale=en_US
[15:39] <zanus> seems to work great, but the root password I give to it... is rejected
[15:43] <Ken8521> yeah....you need to run it in terminal
[15:44] <Ken8521> i have had that problem before w/ lexmark drivers
[15:44] <Ken8521> zanus, open a terminal, and cd into the directory that holds the .deb file.. then run sudo dpkg -i filename
[15:44] <zanus> will do
[15:45] <zanus> it is a .sh file btw
[15:45] <Ken8521> i know
[15:46] <zanus> I'll have to wait until eclipse finishes downloading/installing
[15:46] <Ken8521> zanus, my bad
[15:46] <Ken8521> "sudo sh filename"
[15:46] <Ken8521> that should do it.
[15:47] <zanus> thx.. will try it
[15:48] <zanus> install failed, but I assumed it's because I'm using dpkg atm
[15:48] <Ken8521> yeah,
[15:48] <Ken8521> sudo sh filename
[15:48] <zanus> BUT, it didn't ask me for a password this time
[15:49] <Ken8521> well, if your system already had raised priviliges because you were updating/upgrading... thats why
[15:49] <Ken8521> when you used sudo in the terminal, if it needed your root password, it would have askked for it
[15:49] <zanus> yeah, it's still downloading with apt-get
[15:49] <Ken8521> yeah, you can only run 1 root process at a time
[15:50] <zanus> lame
[15:50] <Ken8521> eh, not really, it's a good policy
[15:50] <zanus> it is.. just being sarcastical
[15:51] <Ken8521> if you're trying to install 2-3 different programs in 2-3 different terminal windows... one of those programs could have files that conflict w/ the other, and the installer woud have no way of knowing, because there would be 3 installers running at the same time
[15:51] <Ken8521> oh ok
[15:51] <Ken8521> speaking of terimnal, i've not updated today
[15:52] <zanus> better get on that
[15:52] <Ken8521> yeah, looks like there's a fwe
[15:53] <Ken8521> i wonder if we'll ever see skype 4.x for Linux?
[15:54] <Ken8521> somehow i don't think so
[15:54] <Ken8521> which isn't a big deal, skype 2.x beta seems to work halfway decent under linux
[15:54] <zanus> is there a silverlight for linux yet
[15:55] <Ken8521> um, i don't think so.
[15:55] <zanus> I heard of moonlight about a year ago, but I've been out of the linux game since then
[15:56] <zanus> would be nice to watch netflix on linux
[15:56] <Ken8521> yeah, i've not tried Moonlight, and am not sure on its status
[15:56] <Ken8521> zanus, well, moonlight has a mozilla plugin in the repository.
[15:56] <Ken8521> maybe you shoudl install it and see.
[15:56] <Ken8521> for the greater good(ie, so i don't have to)
[15:59] <zanus> I guess I could, I don't know what to test with though, my netflix is registered to another computer
[15:59] <Ken8521> youc an't log in to netflix from any computer?
[15:59] <Ken8521> i don't do netflix... so i dunno
[16:00] <zanus> netflix only allows you to log in from one computer...ever
[16:00] <zanus> I guess it registers the GPU or something when you install the netflix player
[16:01] <Ken8521> oh really?
[16:01] <Ken8521> didn't know that
[16:01] <Ken8521> well, do youknow o any sights that use silverlight?
[16:01] <Ken8521> i'll installi t and try
[16:01] <Ken8521> lol
[16:01] <zanus> I tried logging in with another computer once before and the account was shutdown... had to call netflix to reinstate it
[16:01] <Ken8521> thats gay
[16:02] <zanus> no shit
[16:02] <zanus> hey, I ran the installation, it said the printer drivers were successfully installed but that shell script was for a USB printer.
[16:02] <zanus> it asked me to plug in my USB printer so I cancelled.. assuming the drivers were somewhere on the system
[16:03] <zanus> where would they be?
[16:03] <Ken8521> i have no idea.
[16:06] <acuster> how do we enable ctrl+alt+bksp to kill X?
[16:06] <Ken8521> acuster, hang on a sec, i can't remember off the top fo my head
[16:06] <acuster> ah found it
[16:06] <acuster> thanks
[16:06] <acuster> dontzap
[16:07] <Ken8521> well, you don't need dontzap
[16:07] <Ken8521> system/keyboard/pref/layout tab.. click Options... g down to "Key Sequence to Kill X server" and check the box
[16:07] <acuster> yeah 'dontzap' was for the search term
[16:07] <acuster> thanks
[16:08] <Ken8521> all right, gonna test silverlight on linux
[16:08] <Ken8521> i'm predicting epic fail
[16:09] <zanus> lol
[16:09] <Ken8521> well, it's trying..
[16:09] <Ken8521> man it's slow though
[16:09] <zanus> is there a simple way to find every ppd file in my system
[16:10] <Ken8521> that could be my laptop though.. it's not exactly the speediest in the all the land
[16:10] <Ken8521> yah, it froze up
[16:10] <zanus> I'll have to try the silverlight thing
[16:10] <Ken8521> i'lltry on my pc later
[16:10] <Ken8521> this laptop would have already been used for target practice if it wasn't for Linux
[16:11] <Ken8521> it's kinda frustrating, cuz it runs amazingly well w/ Ubuntu
[16:12] <Ken8521> i have a question, that i ahve not been able to figure out since ubuntu 6.06
[16:12] <Ken8521> why can you never adjust the brightness on Totem?
[16:12] <Ken8521> it's like.. why freakin have a slider for it, if it doesn't work
[16:13] <zanus> over my head, probably the wrong driver maybe?
[16:13] <Ken8521> i guess
[16:13] <Ken8521> it doesn't work on my PC either though, which has the correct Nvidia driver installed
[16:14] <DarthFrog> Hmm, I've just finished an _in situ_ upgrade from Lucid to Maverick, with problems.  initramfs-tools refused to update which caused dependency problems with the new kernel.  "sudo dpkg --configure -a"  did nothing. http://paste.ubuntu.com/503963/
[16:15] <DarthFrog> Anybody have any idea how I proceed from here?
[16:15] <Ken8521> DarthFrog, upgrade  fails often mean "clean install".
[16:16] <DarthFrog> Ken8521: That would be a nuisance. :-(
[16:16] <Ken8521> you can try to track it down, but i'm guessing you'll spend more time trying to fix it, rather than just backing up important stuff and reinstalling
[16:16] <Ken8521> DarthFrog, well.. unfortunately it's a risk you run when you upgrade
[16:16] <Ken8521> that's why i never uprade
[16:17] <Ken8521> *upgrade
[16:17] <DarthFrog> I suppose.  But surely a critial system like kernel installation is something that the devs would want to get right?
[16:17] <Ken8521> should.. you're right... but.. crap happens, who knows, maybe during the upgrade something else failed, that caused the kernel to fail
[16:18] <Ken8521> it's hard telling thats why upgrading, is hard to exactly track down what caused the problem and fix it, because so much is being upgraded, etc.. at the same time.
[16:18] <DarthFrog> Not the kernel.  the kernel is a dependency fallout from the failure of initramfs-tools to update.
[16:18] <Ken8521> if it were only upgrading 2 packages, you would know the problem existed in one fo those two packages.
[16:18] <DarthFrog> Right.
[16:19] <zanus> aha.. found it in /etc/cups/ppd
[16:19] <Ken8521> hmm, wouldn't have thought of there
[16:23] <acuster> if I need a special boot parameter for maverick to work properly, where do I add that parameter to ensure it is used permanently?
[16:24] <acuster> and do I need to do something new every time grub-cfg and grub-install are run?
[16:25] <acuster> also, are any of you able to determine if commit 10b06122afcc78468bd1d009633cb71e528acdc5 has been applied to the maverick i386 kernel?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> acuster: add it to /etc/default/grub
[16:27] <zanus> damnit.. I can get it to print a blank page, but nothing else
[16:27] <Ken8521> lol
[16:30] <acuster> thanks charlie-tca
[16:30] <acuster> wohoo! found the fix that blocked me using lucid on a thinkpad R51!
[16:31] <zanus> now I'm at a foomatic-rip error..
[16:32] <zanus> I hate lexmark
[16:40] <darthanubis> anyone have the link on hand to switch the minimize buttons back to the right side?
[16:45] <_bt> hi, my linux install on my dell mini 10 (1010) has been broken for ages due to poulsbo chipset. today i have tried installing the maverick RC. upon reboot now all i get is a flashing cursor. any ideas how i can sort this? the machine is dual booting with windows
[16:48] <clockware> hi all
[16:50] <clockware> how can i revert to default gnome session in netbook edition?
[16:51] <tgpraveen> is there proprietary drivers of ATI graphics cards in maverick now?
[16:55] <yaoziyuan> 9 days to 10.10, so if i want to try kubuntu, i'd better wait?
[16:57] <fserb> hey guys. I just dist-upgraded to the release candidate and I was looking for info on configuring the touchpad for macbookpro7,1. It seems there's a new way of doing it, but the documentation is still incomplete. Does anyone know where I can find more info about it?
[16:59] <acuster> has there been discusssion of switch from OOo to libreoffice?
[17:20] <fserb> so managed to make sound+touchpad work fine on macbookpro7,1
[17:21] <fserb> but xorg screen refresh is ridiculously slow (with nvidia drivers)
[17:26] <tgpraveen>  is there proprietary drivers of ATI graphics cards in maverick now?
[17:30] <bjsnider> fserb, that's a bug in the nvidia driver. the one in the x-updates ppa doesn't have that bug
[17:47] <master-lie> Can anybody help me? I can not restart acpid ...
[18:11] <AbhiJit> !info linux-kernel-generik
[18:15] <glebihan> !info linux-image-generic | AbhiJit
[18:15] <glebihan> !info linux-headers-generic | AbhiJit
[18:15] <AbhiJit> glebihan, thanks!
[18:15] <glebihan> AbhiJit: you're welcome
[18:21] <wzssyqa> what does the "default" option mean when mount btrfs?
[19:18] <androidbruce|lap> im loving 10.10
[19:24] <tpdd_work> has anyone experienced the bug where network manager detects a cdma 3g card as gsm?
[19:50] <Lollipop56> hi
[19:50] <Lollipop56> will Maverick's message indicator offer support for Pidgin too?
[19:52] <trism> Lollipop56: it already does (did in lucid too)
[19:52] <Lollipop56> ok cool
[19:52] <Lollipop56> cuz I remove Empathy and replace it with Pidgin :P
[19:53] <trism> Lollipop56: me too
[19:53] <Lollipop56> kk
[19:53] <Lollipop56> ty for answering
[20:01] <Evil_Eric> how many more days
[20:01] <Evil_Eric> until the release
[20:01] <androidbruce|lap> 10.10
[20:01] <Evil_Eric> yes
[20:01] <androidbruce|lap> well the rc is out
[20:01] <androidbruce|lap> i believe
[20:01] <Evil_Eric> oooo
[20:02] <androidbruce|lap> that was last night
[20:02] <darthanubis> lol where is lm-sensors?
[20:02] <Ken8521> Evil_Eric, 10/10/10 i believe is the projected release date
[20:03] <Evil_Eric> dohhh i feel stupid now
[20:03] <Evil_Eric> on 20 days befor my bday darn
[20:04] <Evil_Eric> ok laters guys i havent even attempted even seen screen shots of it yet
[20:05] <darthanubis> do we have to compile our own lm-sensors packages now?
[20:10] <androidbruce|lap> darthanubis, lm-sensors?
[20:11] <androidbruce|lap> they should be in there no?
[20:12] <darthanubis> nope
[20:12] <Ken8521> darthanubis, they are there... i just looked
[20:13] <Ken8521> check your repositories
[20:20] <Andre_Gondim> My software center doesn't open in Maverick
[20:20] <Andre_Gondim> I will file a bug
[20:21] <Ken8521> how do you know it's a bug?
[20:21] <Ken8521> a bug isn't a bug, just because it doesn't work... there could be another issue.
[20:22] <Votan> Hey guys, is the location of the notification bubble still hardcoded to the upper right area?
[20:22] <Ken8521> Votan, no sure, i've not tried to move it
[20:26] <Votan> Ken8521 k, would you know where to look to try and change it ? cuz it is driving me nuts in the upper right corner, filling half my screen on a 10" netbook
[20:27] <Ken8521> uh, just right click it and choose "move" and see if you can move it?
[20:28] <donvito2> minimum sistem requirments for maverick please?
[20:29] <Ken8521> a computer
[20:29] <Ken8521> a processor is a good idea.
[20:29] <donvito2> maybe shit
[20:29] <Ken8521> no seriously, they say it can run on a machine w/ 256mb of Ram, but i had epic fail w/ that
[20:29] <donvito2> to make it smell beter
[20:29] <donvito2> ?
[20:30] <donvito2> anyone to tell me were i can read for minimum system requirments
[20:30] <Ken8521> well, the minimum for Lucid, was 1ghz, 512mb Ram, 5gb.. i'd imagine maverick would be similar
[20:31] <Ken8521> !requirements
[20:31] <Ken8521> wow, 1gig of ram now..
[20:31] <Ken8521> 15gigs of hard drive space? wtf.
[20:32] <donvito2> suprised?
[20:32] <Ken8521> oh wait, hold on
[20:32] <Ken8521> i think i looked at the wrong one
[20:32] <Ken8521> i believe that is to run a live cd
[20:33] <donvito2> no
[20:33] <donvito2> its true
[20:33] <donvito2> that is the requirments
[20:33] <donvito2> of desktop
[20:33] <Ken8521> ok wait, i see, recommended minimum system requirements, 1gig, 15gigs, etc.
[20:33] <donvito2> im downloading maverick right now
[20:33] <Ken8521> thens scroll down a bit
[20:33] <donvito2> is there something wrong if i install release kandidate?
[20:33] <donvito2> or it will be same
[20:33] <donvito2> like
[20:33] <donvito2> final release
[20:34] <Ken8521> no, but hacking the spelling is awful
[20:34] <Ken8521> althoguh, release candidates can till have glitches and be buggy.. so if youre not prepared to troubleshoot, i would wait
[20:35] <androidbruce|lap> we shouldn't have to download and install the rc, if we've been keeping with updates
[20:35] <androidbruce|lap> correct?
[20:35] <Votan> especially as 10.10 has quite a long known bugs list for an RC
[20:35] <Votan> androidbruce|lap correct
[20:36] <Votan> as long as u did the "partial upgrade" if it was requested
[20:36] <androidbruce|lap> Votan, indeed i di
[20:36] <androidbruce|lap> did*
[20:37] <Ken8521> androidbruce, correct, as long as you're up to date, you're good
[20:37] <androidbruce|lap> Ken8521, yeah man im updating my desktop now
[20:37] <androidbruce|lap> laptop is current
[20:38] <Ken8521> yeah, right now w/ upgrades rolling out so quickly, you can upgrade/update 2-3x a day to stay current
[20:38] <Ken8521> i just updated for the 3rd time today
[20:38] <Votan> yeh, btw, ... somehow my sound applet vanished from the panel
[20:38] <Votan> how the heck do I add it back ? add to panel doesnt show no sound applet o.0
[20:39] <Ken8521> Votan, is installed?
[20:39] <Ken8521> check synaptic and see if indicator-sound is installed
[20:39] <Ken8521> there was someone complaining about that earlier
[20:39] <androidbruce|lap> Ken8521, i update at least twice a day
[20:39] <Ken8521> Votan, also, is notification area on your panel.. cuz if it's not there, you won't see the sound applet
[20:43] <Votan> Ken8521 it is installed and the notification area is definately there, i can see the dropbox icon aswell as the wifi one
[20:44] <Ken8521> Votan, dunno, restart X see if it comes back.
[20:44] <Ken8521> it might be union and took a break till the next restart
[21:09] <donvito2> i must have
[21:09] <donvito2> 15 gb
[21:09] <donvito2> or i can have 10
[21:09] <donvito2> to install maverick
[21:09] <bazhang> donvito2, 10 will do, though tight
[21:10] <donvito2> okey because i thought
[21:10] <donvito2> i need at least
[21:10] <donvito2> 15
[21:10] <donvito2> and more
[21:10] <donvito2> not less
[21:10] <donvito2> but i want to use my windows and ubuntu
[21:10] <donvito2> together
[21:10] <donvito2> how can i do that?
[21:11] <conb123> Anyone else thinking that other than the new sound applet there really isn't an awful lot to shout about in maverick
[21:11] <conb123> ?
[21:11] <donvito2> windows is already installed
[21:14] <duffydack> I didnt know it was as easy as making a 5+gig fat32 partition on a usb stick and copying files to it.. hmmm
[21:15] <duffydack> still, its a bit MUCH. 5gigaflops
[21:15] <billybigrigger> does anyone here have any dlink or netgear nics in their machines?
[21:15] <billybigrigger> what chipsets do they use?
[21:15] <billybigrigger> my flaky realtek onboard nic will not go into 1000bT mode so i think i'm going to replace it today, and the local shop has those 2 options for about the same price, or for double the price i can pick up an intel pro 1000 GT adapter
[21:18] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: get Intel.  they're worth every penny for serious use.
[21:18] <billybigrigger> ya i know :)
[21:19] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: the D-Links I have are all Realtek, which is a definite notch or seven below Intel.
[21:19] <billybigrigger> im pretty sure both of those cheaper cards use realtek chipsets, so it's pointless of me getting one
[21:19] <PhotoJim> I've got Realtek in my desktop, and it's good enough that I won't replace it, but when I bought a NIC for my server, I bought Intel and I've no regrets.
[21:19] <billybigrigger> yeah, well my onboard realtek will not for the life of it, go into 1000bT which is why i'm trying to get away from realtek :P
[21:19] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: rule out a cable issue before you spend money, though.
[21:20] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: and be sure to try a different port in your switch too.
[21:20] <billybigrigger> i've tried different cables
[21:20] <patdk-wk> how are you testing it?
[21:20] <billybigrigger> tried different ports in the switch
[21:20] <billybigrigger> patdk-wk, ?
[21:20] <patdk-wk> I was easily pushing 990mbit over realtek card
[21:20] <patdk-wk> now my intel pushs it much reasier though
[21:20] <patdk-wk> easier
[21:20] <patdk-wk> iperf?
[21:20] <PhotoJim> Intel will put less load on the CPU, from what I understand.
[21:21] <billybigrigger> well for 1, the switch has a link light, which is either off for 10mb, orange for 100mb, and green for 1000 mbit, there's no link light
[21:21] <patdk-wk> oh, that happened to my realtek
[21:21] <billybigrigger> ethtool shows that it's in 10bT half duplex, and trying to force 100 or 1000 speed modes on it doesn't work at all
[21:21] <patdk-wk> worked great for 2years, then would only work at 10mbit
[21:21] <patdk-wk> ya, same for me
[21:21] <billybigrigger> this motherboard is only a few months :P
[21:21] <patdk-wk> the realtek went bad
[21:21] <patdk-wk> no os upgrade, hardware changes or anything
[21:21] <killer999> i have a Kubuntu 10.10 Live USb stick....but i can't install kubuntu...because the installer  crashes after sometime...how to solve this?
[21:21] <billybigrigger> realtek is shite
[21:21] <patdk-wk> tried new cables also
[21:22] <billybigrigger> i've tried ubuntu, arch, and fedora all with same results
[21:22] <billybigrigger> mind you, all have very similar kernels aswell
[21:22] <PhotoJim> well, don't even blink.  buy Intel.  terrific supporters of the FOS community with their drivers also :)
[21:22] <patdk-wk> ya, it's a realtek thing, that is what prompted me to finally bother putting an intel card in it
[21:22] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, agreed
[21:22] <PhotoJim> the only Intel thing I tend to avoid is their video :)
[21:22] <patdk-wk> but same thing happened to me, and I didn't do any kernel upgrades for months, between working and not working
[21:23] <PhotoJim> Mine's PCI, but I think I spent $20 on my Intel GigE NIC versus $7 or $8 for a no-name Realtek.  it's a large percentage more, but it's only twenty bucks, not two thousand.
[21:23] <billybigrigger> well i know it worked on my arch server so i went as far as reinstalling arch, and using the old 2.6.34 kernel it still didn'
[21:23] <killer999> i have a Kubuntu 10.10 Live USb stick....but i can't install kubuntu...because the installer  crashes after sometime...how to solve this?
[21:23] <billybigrigger> t work, and i know it worked a month before, so i kind of ruled out kernel problems
[21:23] <patdk-wk> ya, my onboard realtek was on pci, the intel pcie is much nicer, not sharing that 1gbit of pci bandwidth with everything else now
[21:24] <PhotoJim> agreed, if you have a spare PCI-E slot :)
[21:24] <patdk-wk> I had 1 :)
[21:24] <billybigrigger> patdk-wk, PhotoJim what intel cards did you buy? PWLA8391GT is my option
[21:24] <billybigrigger> for $54.99 canadian
[21:24] <killer999> is there a separate channel for kubuntu 10.10??
[21:24] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: let me peek.
[21:25] <patdk-wk> Intel Corporation 82574L
[21:25] <charlie-tca> killer999: no
[21:25] <billybigrigger> and this seems to be a PCI card, not PCI-E
[21:25] <syke> hi
[21:25] <charlie-tca> all of +1 support happens here. It might be no one has an answer, though
[21:25] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 05)
[21:25] <syke> upon doing an install of 10.10, I get a kernel panic on boot
[21:25] <syke> I tried both an upgrade and a fresh install
[21:26] <aboSamoor> my Xorg server is consuming 18-20% of memory. Is that normal  ?
[21:26] <syke> 10.04 works fine, and booting into the 2.6.32-21 kernel works fine
[21:26] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: should be cheaper than that, though.
[21:26] <syke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/653238
[21:26] <charlie-tca> killer999: "crashes after some time" does not really give any information.
[21:26] <mortal> hello, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/653043 check this out
[21:26] <charlie-tca> aboSamoor: yes
[21:26] <mortal> anyone else using huawei 3g dongles?
[21:27] <PhotoJim> mortal: Novatel here, sorry.
[21:27] <soc> hi
[21:27] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, hmm i was going to say $60 is a little much
[21:27] <patdk-wk> Intel EXPI9301CT
[21:27] <charlie-tca> syke: I don't know the answer, except maybe try another install? did the cd pass integrety check?
[21:27] <patdk-wk> is the one I bought
[21:27] <patdk-wk> but that is just for my workstation
[21:27] <soc> hi
[21:27] <billybigrigger> considering the dlink/netgear were 20 something, that's why i asked originally what chipsets they used
[21:27] <budz0r> hello there
[21:27] <patdk-wk> everything else has server grade cards in them
[21:27] <soc> cn someone verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/650968 ? that bug i spretty annoying here
[21:27] <patdk-wk> ya, everyone uses realtek chipsets these days, mostly
[21:28] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: Intel PCI-E EXPI9301CT is $36.00 at a local store.  PCI PWLA8391GT Pro is $36.50.
[21:28] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: I probably misremember the prices from when I bought mine, but that's still lower than $60.
[21:28] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: that's in Regina, SK, CA
[21:28] <budz0r> did anyone had problems with intel gma3150 and kernels newer than 2.6.35-18-generic
[21:28] <billybigrigger> seriously
[21:28] <billybigrigger> who's your local store? don't know if you've heard of memory express, but they're local to alberta
[21:29] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: http://otvtech.com
[21:29] <billybigrigger> only stores in sask :(
[21:29] <budz0r> the thing is that kernel newer than 2.6.35-18 freezes when try to load firmware
[21:29] <budz0r> anyone had similar issue?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: does your videos play nicely on 10.10 ?
[21:31] <billybigrigger> ?
[21:31] <jjcm> My servers are asploding right now :(
[21:31] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, random question :P
[21:31] <jjcm> Front page reddit/digg/ycombinator D:
[21:31] <BUGabundo> no
[21:31] <aboSamoor> charlie-tca: is this normal ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/504134/
[21:31] <BUGabundo> I can't play anything on my sie
[21:31] <BUGabundo> *side
[21:31] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, but yes, my 720p's are ok
[21:31] <BUGabundo> so I need to see if others have it too
[21:32] <BUGabundo> since you are one of those that *always* has probs
[21:32] <BUGabundo> you are a good candidate
[21:32] <BUGabundo> if you don't, then its something only on my side, that I need to track down
[21:32] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: ncix.com/newegg.ca/tigerdirect.ca will likely have 'em too.
[21:32] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, you've got me looking into my local shop doing any sort of price matching now
[21:32] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: that works too :)
[21:33] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what kind of videos
[21:33] <charlie-tca> aboSamoor: I don't know. I run xubuntu here
[21:33] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: any kind
[21:33] <BUGabundo> wma, avi, divx
[21:33] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, If you find a lower price prior to purchase from an authorized Canadian dealer with a retail store in your Province, we will beat that price by 5%.
[21:33] <billybigrigger> damn! haha
[21:34] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: I have serious problem here, that all applications consume a lot of memory. Any idea in which direction I should investigate ?
[21:34] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, video player? totem or vlc or what?
[21:34] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: oh well, check the other mail order places, or get OTV to ship you one.
[21:34] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: valgrind is your friend
[21:34] <charlie-tca> aboSamoor: You are running three terminator windows?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> I would bet on bad GPU driver
[21:35] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: totem, mplayer, vlc,
[21:35] <billybigrigger> hmm
[21:35] <BUGabundo> plays fine for the 1st few seconds or minutes
[21:35] <BUGabundo> then audio starts lagging, and video gags
[21:35] <billybigrigger> 256.53
[21:35] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: but it is not application specific
[21:35] <BUGabundo> it gets even worse if I fast fw or pause
[21:35] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, you know i did notice that on an episode of weeds last night
[21:35] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: hence me saying GPU
[21:36] <billybigrigger> i ended up switching players to watch the same video and it was fine
[21:36] <aboSamoor> charlie-tca: actually it is my friend desktop, and I am trying to help him. He is a researcher and can not use the machine anymore
[21:36] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: I've been noticing that for two weeks
[21:36] <syke> charlie-tca: I tried both do-release-upgrade on an existing 10.04 install, as well as a freshly formatted disk install
[21:36] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ahh i just got home from work so i can't say how long i've noticed it
[21:36] <syke> and the CD did pass integrity
[21:36] <syke> I also tried it on another machine of the same make/model
[21:36] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, home and gone again in a few days i think :( i never get to have any fun anymore
[21:38] <charlie-tca> syke: weird. I have 5 systems here that I did 10.10 installs on to test with and they all worked fine
[21:38] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: no video playback probs either?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> aboSamoor: but if he has enough things running all the time, it will slow down or freeze. Maybe he needs a bigger swap partition/file
[21:39] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, $34.99 at newegg.ca
[21:39] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: no, not here. I blew up a cd drive though. :-(
[21:39] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:39] <BUGabundo> with OS ?
[21:39] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: there you go.
[21:39] <billybigrigger> with $6 shipping, still cheaper than buying local
[21:40] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: probably just really old
[21:40] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: just slower.  but you can limp along with your existing NIC for a week or so.
[21:40] <aboSamoor> charlie-tca: this is not the case http://paste.ubuntu.com/504138/ totem reached 130 MB without playing anything
[21:40] <charlie-tca> why not just close it then?
[21:40] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, ya i'm leaving for work so i won't have time to play with it for a few weeks anyway
[21:41] <charlie-tca> totem has had a memory leak forever, as far as I recall. Or am I wrong?
[21:41] <syke> charlie-tca: were they Dell Precision T3500 with Intel's hardware RAID controller?
[21:41] <aboSamoor> charlie-tca: never noticed that in all machine I dealt with
[21:41] <syke> if not, I don't see why it working for you is relevant :)
[21:42] <syke> This isn't a new machine/chipset, and it's also not that old
[21:42] <charlie-tca> syke: +1 ; I agree fully. Hardware raid is a strange animal sometimes, though
[21:42] <syke> the fact that the Release Candidate kernel panics on boot is a fairly urgent matter
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Yes it is. Did you file a bug?
[21:43] <syke> This all worked fine in 10.04, and works fine when I boot into the 2.6.32 kernel
[21:43] <syke> OMFG
[21:43] <syke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/653238
[21:44] <charlie-tca> looks like you caught the kernel team on it, too
[21:44] <syke> I would hope so
[21:44] <syke> this is fairly serious
[21:49] <Ken8521> syke, i've had no kernel panics
[21:49] <Ken8521> and it seems specific to one model laptop... so i wouldn't say it's a huge issue
[21:51] <billybigrigger> PhotoJim, you say you had a pci-express nic card yes?
[21:52] <syke> ken8521: this is a high-end workstation
[21:52] <syke> not a laptop
[21:52] <syke> and it's a regression
[21:52] <Ken8521> ok, then it seems specific to that 1 model high end desktop... it's still not something that is a huge regression.. it's just a big regression to you, because it effects you
[21:52] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: no, straight PCI.  old PIII server.
[21:53] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: but if you have PCI-Express, do that instead.  Better.
[21:53] <billybigrigger> yeah i think i will
[21:53] <billybigrigger> free shipping on this pci-e card too :P
[21:53] <PhotoJim> Score.
[21:53] <billybigrigger> you ever dealt with newegg or ncix?
[21:56] <PhotoJim> billybigrigger: both.  newegg has much slower shipping, but both are good.
[21:56] <syke> ken8521: are you a Canonical representative?
[21:57] <Ken8521> syke, not in the least.. what in the world gave yoou that idea?
[21:57] <Ken8521> i'm just master of the obvious
[21:58] <syke> I see.
[21:59] <syke> Nothing gave me that idea; I just wanted to be sure that an official representative of the company wasn't shooing away users who have critical kernel panic regression bugs in one of the most common Intel chipset configurations that is currently shipping.
[22:00] <syke> so, thanks for the poor attitude.
[22:01] <zonkers1> I applied an update to my ubuntu 10.10 and now it won't reboot
[22:01] <guntbert> !bug | syke
[22:01] <syke> I'll go through proper channels rather than rely on this awesome "community" spirit that you are displaying
[22:01] <syke> OMFG
[22:01] <syke> how many times do I need to paste the bug URL?
[22:01] <syke> guntbert: how many times?
[22:01] <guntbert> syke: ranting here will not help anything
[22:02] <syke> is three the magic number?
[22:02] <syke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/653238
[22:02] <guntbert> syke: I don't need it but your ranting and attitude is not helpful either
[22:02] <syke> you're right
[22:03] <syke> I am overreacting to the lack of help
[22:03] <guntbert> :)
[22:03] <BUGabundo> bye
[22:03] <syke> I am probably expecting too much
[22:03] <syke> thanks anyways
[22:05] <Ken8521> man, he was a prick
[22:05] <Ken8521> lol
[22:06] <guntbert> Ken8521: don't let your anger take you away :-)
[22:06] <Ken8521> lol, i could care less
[22:06] <zonkers1> is there a way to reinstall from the live cd without wiping out the hard drive?
[22:07] <Ken8521> zonkers1, well,reinstall suggests you're going to "reinstall".. so that will whipe the hard drive.
[22:07] <bazhang> zonkers1, separate home partition?
[22:07] <Ken8521> a separate home partition will save configuration,
[22:08] <zonkers1> i looked at the partitions and i believe it's all one for /
[22:08] <zonkers1> default from ubuntu 9.10 I believe
[22:08] <zonkers1> I just want to get the os to boot back up
[22:09] <charlie-tca> You are supposed to be able to install now and tell it not to format. It should then not erase /home even if it is a single partition install
[22:09] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, really?... hadn't ever heard that
[22:09] <charlie-tca> really
[22:09] <zonkers1> is there a document for that? I saw but then I didn't see how to mount the /
[22:09] <Ken8521> doesn't seem logical to be truthful
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Just make sure that "Format" is not checked
[22:10]  * charlie-tca goes looking for it
[22:10] <donvito2> Ken8521
[22:10] <zonkers1> i need to assign the /  root partition... Just assign to the active partition.
[22:10] <donvito2> what kind of partition do i need active
[22:10] <donvito2> primari or logical
[22:10] <Ken8521> donvito2, at bare minimum.. you need a swap and a /   usually they are both primary, but I guess they could be logical,.
[22:10] <zonkers1> i have one primary and one extended with the swap on the extended
[22:11] <donvito2> im creating partition
[22:11] <donvito2> from c:\
[22:11] <Ken8521> donvito2, ok, so how much space do you want to give Ubuntu?
[22:11] <donvito2> because im going to install it together with windows
[22:12] <donvito2> 10 gb
[22:12] <donvito2> 11 exactly
[22:12] <Ken8521> oh you don't have windows installed yet?
[22:12] <donvito2> i have
[22:12] <donvito2> i installed it
[22:12] <Ken8521> ok.
[22:12] <donvito2> now im creating partition for ubuntu
[22:12] <donvito2> with 11 gb
[22:12] <donvito2> and will install ubuntu in there
[22:12] <donvito2> is that ok?
[22:12] <Ken8521> ok, so just create a spare 11gig partition of C:..
[22:12] <donvito2> yeap
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Ken8521: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1096994654/no-need-to-complicate-your-life
[22:13] <Ken8521> and make sure nothing is on it.. that will turn that drive into "E" most likely, under Ubuntu
[22:13] <donvito2> okey
[22:13] <donvito2> but do i need to install dual boot
[22:13] <donvito2> manager?
[22:13] <donvito2> or ubuntu will install itself
[22:13] <Ken8521> donvito2, no, it will do it for you... just create E, then boot the live CD, and come back here, and i'll help you
[22:13] <donvito2> im in
[22:13] <donvito2> with the live cd the partition is over
[22:13] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, lol, well that was useless, "not found"..
[22:14] <Ken8521> donvito2, ok, do you have the free partition?
[22:14] <donvito2> yes
[22:14] <donvito2> ready
[22:14] <Ken8521> ok, start the installer
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Ken8521: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/1093664654/no-need-to-complicate-your-life
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Ken8521: yup
[22:14] <zonkers1> why would recovery mode from grub die anyway on bootup?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> fingers aitn't typing the right keys
[22:15] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, i was just busting your balls, i figured it was an accident
[22:15] <charlie-tca> not the balls, just the fingers ;-)
[22:15] <Ken8521> donvito2, when you get to the partition stage, lemme know
[22:16] <donvito2> ok
[22:16] <Ken8521> u there now?
[22:16] <donvito2> nope
[22:16] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[22:16] <donvito2> it takes time
[22:16] <Ken8521> yah, i know
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Ken8521: that second one is good, right/
[22:16] <Ken8521> it asks a series of mickey mouse questions etc.
[22:17] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, yea.. :)
[22:17] <donvito2> Ken8521 is it possible grub to load windows as default os
[22:17] <donvito2> if i want?
[22:18] <Ken8521> donvito2, i *think* so.. but i'm not 100% sure how...
[22:18] <Ken8521> i don't do windows
[22:18] <Ken8521> well, other than vbox
[22:21] <yofel> oh hey, we have sun-java6 for maverick :D
[22:22] <zonkers1> java 6? is that good?
[22:22] <duffydack> ssh, I will find a use for openjdk if it kills me
[22:24] <yofel> zonkers1: we only had openjdk in maverick until now
[22:25] <zonkers1> yofel, was the previous version java 5?
[22:25] <yofel> 5 was available until jaunty
[22:25] <zonkers1> ok
[22:27] <karmel> hello
[22:27] <aboSamoor> I see Source: nvidia-graphics-drivers Version: 256.53-0ubuntu2 while ubuntu3 is available in the ppa, I tried upgrading many times but I can not get that version !
[22:27] <karmel> got problem after upgrading few minutes ago - my wireless is not working after it
[22:30] <yofel> aboSamoor: 256.53-0ubuntu3 is available here in maverick/restricted and should install fine, are you sure that your mirror isn't ouf of date?
[22:30] <Ken8521> karmel, what wireless chipset?
[22:31] <aboSamoor> yofel: I use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[22:31] <yofel> de.archive here, but us should be fine
[22:31] <karmel> Ken8521, 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[22:32] <Ken8521> hmm.
[22:32] <Ken8521> no clue on that one karmel... i've generally found Intel stuff to just work
[22:33] <karmel> Ken8521, it was working - stopped after update few minutes ago :/
[22:33] <yofel> karmel: did you check your /var/log/syslog after a failed attempt? there should be some information there
[22:33] <Ken8521> karmel, hmm, try restarting?
[22:33] <karmel> three times
[22:34] <karmel> will check the ap
[22:34] <karmel> brb
[22:36] <karmel> suprising... it seems to be a problem with my linksys ap
[22:37] <karmel> thanks for your help and have a nice day
[22:41] <androidbruce|lap> im totally stoked for this release to be final. you guys?
[22:42]  * yofel remembers karmic, that had ton of issues at release time too
[22:44] <duffydack> Should'nt Mav be a polished Lucid
[22:44] <duffydack> shouldn't even
[22:46] <yofel> well, we got a bleeding edge xserver and other updates that were postponed on lucid, so there are a lot of new things
[22:46] <yofel> my largest problems were with kwin not handling messy intel graphics drivers well, but that has improved a lot
[22:48] <bjsnider> yofel, why don't you come back from the dark side to gnome?
[22:49] <Ken8521> i'm not sure there's anything KDE does well..lol
[22:49] <yofel> as soon as you get rid of the indicators, notify-osd and give update-manager a sane behaviour again I might think about it
[22:50] <bjsnider> indicators!
[22:51] <Ken8521> yofel, but notify osd is easy enough to get rid of yourself.
[22:51] <Ken8521> i personally hate it to.
[22:52] <bjsnider> yofel sounds like a redhat developer
[22:52] <Ken8521> lol
[22:52] <yofel> lol
[22:52] <bjsnider> hating on ubuntu
[22:53] <Ken8521> everyone get their bats and log chains.. we're gonna have ourselves a beatin'
[22:53] <yofel> what? I like ambiance, ubuntu one and software-center
[22:53] <yofel> that's just not enough to get me back
[22:54] <hceylan> hey all, anybody trying the nouveau with 3D on 10.10?
[22:54] <bjsnider> there are lots of core gnome devs who think everything shuttleworth is doing is mistaken
[22:54] <Ken8521> theonly thing that really annoys me about notify-osd... is everytime i get a message in pidgin(or empathy for that matter) it shows up there.. even if i'm staring right at the message
[22:54] <Ken8521> so nuking indicator-messages, is about the first thing that has to be done
[22:55] <Ken8521> bjsnider, what would be the definition of "everything"
[22:55] <duffydack> scared of change...
[22:55] <yofel> hceylan: tried it, but it was slower than the proprietary driver when it came to opengl stuff, so I'm back on nvidia-current
[22:55] <trism> Ken8521: that's easily disabled in the pidgin libnotify plugin
[22:56] <Ken8521> trism, yeah, but there's other crap that pops up there to.
[22:56] <Ken8521> so i just remove it.
[22:56] <Ken8521> lol
[22:56] <hceylan> yofel: thanks for the reply... Last time I tried I felt the same
[22:56] <Ken8521> is gnome 3 ever going to come out?
[22:56] <duffydack> its a notify applet, crap pops up, thats the point.
[22:56] <hceylan> yofel: But I dunno if it is me or for real - it looks to me the initialization of nvidia when x starts is slower and slower with the latest versions
[22:56] <Ken8521> duffydack, and thats why i don't like it.. i don't need a notify applet..
[22:57] <bjsnider> Ken8521, they think gnome-shell will fix what's 'wrong' with gnome and aren't interested in things like notify-osd and appindicators and so forth
[22:57] <hceylan> yofel: I mean with the nvidia-current
[22:57] <Ken8521> bjsnider, i dunno.. i'm happy w/ how Gnome and Ubuntu work together... but i've always been a simplistic person when it comes to computing needs
[22:57] <duffydack> I have learned to like it.. why bother having someones bothersome instant message open on your desktop when you can glance and read it and ignore it
[22:57] <yofel> hceylan: hm, I'm using the 260 beta driver, but 256 worked fine for me while I was using it
[22:58] <r00s> hi
[22:58] <bjsnider> Ken8521, shuttleworth wants ubuntu to be at least as easy to use as osx. it is not now, and changes to gnome have to happen to make it so
[22:58] <hceylan> yofel: I am currently on 256 too
[22:58] <r00s> can i just dd the maverick netbook iso to a usb drive, or do i need to use one of these weird usb boot drive creators?
[22:58] <Ken8521> bjsnider, well, i've never used OSX.. but Ubuntu seems pretty darn easy to me
[22:58] <hceylan> yofel: I am soo tempted to give nouveau and mesa3D another go.
[22:58] <Ken8521> i'm guessing if i picked up a mac, i'd be lost
[22:59] <hceylan> yofel: I will install and (try to) come back :)
[22:59] <bjsnider> Ken8521, a chimp could use osx
[22:59] <duffydack> someone shoot shuttleworth for having ambition.
[22:59] <Ken8521> lol
[22:59] <Ken8521> i hate banannas
[22:59] <DASPRiD> Ken8521, it's so hard to do the simplest things on a mac ;)
[22:59] <yofel> hceylan: well, you can, it's faster when it comes to 2D at least - for nouveau 3D you need libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[22:59] <DASPRiD> first you will endlessly search for home/end/pgup/pgdown buttons ;)
[22:59] <hceylan> yofel: yeah... I'll report back...
[23:00] <hceylan> yofel: fingers crossed :)
[23:00] <Ken8521> DASPRiD, bjsnider   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CrQjfgvqJQ
[23:00] <androidbruce|lap> DASPRiD, lol
[23:00] <DASPRiD> then you will notice that you only have a single mouse button
[23:00] <Ken8521> DASPRiD, if you've not saw that video, you'll like it
[23:00] <androidbruce|lap> DASPRiD, that's not the case anymore
[23:01] <DASPRiD> androidbruce|lap, i know, but i still blame them about that ;)
[23:01] <hceylan> yofel: rebooting
[23:01] <androidbruce|lap> i like the trackpad but otherwise no thanks
[23:02] <Ken8521> Mac killed my inner child
[23:03] <DASPRiD> Ken8521, so you are a woman?
[23:03] <Ken8521> lol, no
[23:04] <DASPRiD> :D
[23:04] <Ken8521> my spiritual child
[23:04] <lordcrc> hi, im trying to get my logitech g35 usb headset working in 10.10... in 10.04 they worked flawlessly out of the box, but in 10.10 i cant seem to select it, and running "test speakers" just crashes the test applet thingy
[23:05] <androidbruce|lap> possible udev perms issue lordcrc ?
[23:06] <lordcrc> androidbruce|lap: how would i check/tell? :D bit of a nub
[23:06] <hceylan> yofel: First imressions, it is working just fine and waaaay faster then the original...
[23:06] <hceylan> yofel: I mean in terms of response times, not the FPS
[23:08] <lordcrc> the built in sound card works fine
[23:10] <yofel> hceylan: yeah, in general it feels faster, I got a gpu lockup on my other notebook once though, which turned out to be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze#Problem:%20%20Log%20shows%20%22[mi]%20EQ%20overflowing%22%20and%20X%20freezes
[23:12] <lordcrc> brb
[23:16] <lordcrc> when i run gnome-volume-control from console i get "ERROR:gvc-speaker-test.c:390:get_channel_map_for_card: assertion failed: (stream)"
[23:16] <Volkodav> anybody booted from an image from HDD with grub2 ?
[23:17] <lordcrc> ah seems its a known issue then
[23:18] <yofel> Volkodav: you mean boot a .iso on the hdd from grub2?
[23:18] <Volkodav> yes yofel what's up !
[23:19] <yofel> Volkodav: there are examples for that here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/MultipleISOBootUSBKey
[23:19]  * Volkodav saving CD media for burning is in mind
[23:20] <yofel> which is essentially setting up a flash drive as a HDD, putting various .iso images in a folder and booting them from grub2
[23:21] <Volkodav> No - this is not what I meant - say I download an .iso to the hard drive and I want to boot it from grub to run install whatever
[23:21] <yofel> well, just skip the flash drive part
[23:21] <yofel> and use your internal hdd
[23:22] <yofel> or do you mean an empty hdd?
[23:22] <Volkodav> no
[23:23] <Volkodav> not empty - sau Y have 4 of them and there is an .iso I downloaded and do not feel like burning all these CD's anymore
[23:23] <Volkodav> so boot from and image on HDD instead of burning and booting from CD
[23:24] <Volkodav> makes sense ?
[23:24] <yofel> yes, you put the iso in a place grub has access to it and boot it from grub?
[23:25] <Volkodav> grub has access to? it probes all drives by default doesn't it ?
[23:26] <yofel> well, I'm not sure if it has access to all drivers from the beginning, that's why I'm saying so, if it has, put it anywhere
[23:26] <yofel> then you just need a grub.cfg entry that tells grub how to boot the iso, see the wiki page for examples
[23:27] <yofel> and use '/etc/grub.d/40_custom' if you don't want update-grub to delete the entry
[23:28] <Volkodav> here is a real scenario to make it simple to comprehend : xfs or ext4 or btrfs hard drive or partition where .iso is located. Will i be able to boot that image from grub (given all paths and synax is provided) similar as I boot an image from CD or flash ?
[23:29] <Volkodav> yofel: you answered it it while i was typing lol
[23:29] <yofel> heh
[23:30] <yofel> the multipleusbkey does essentially that, it is a hdd with .iso files and boots the one you want
[23:30] <Volkodav> did you run your benchmarks on SSd with btrfs ?
[23:30] <yofel> I never got the time to reinstall my eeePC so I'm still running ext4 on my SSD
[23:31] <Volkodav> I find tuned ext4 way faster then btrfs
[23:31] <yofel> I'll do so when the final is out
[23:31] <yofel> really? then I'll stick to it :P
[23:31] <Volkodav> very much so
[23:31] <Volkodav> strange but true
[23:31] <lordcrc> Volkodav: do you have a link on how to tune it? im getting an ssd soon
[23:34] <Volkodav> this an older thread but most of it works http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1178209
[23:34] <lordcrc> thanks!
[23:36] <lordcrc> the hd is really slowing down my laptop... doesnt help that ubuntu has some catching up to do w.r.t caching but an ssd is a quick fix from what i can see
[23:36] <Volkodav> ssd is really the best upgrade you can imagine
[23:37] <Volkodav> I have openoffice open in 2-3 sec compared to 12-13
[23:38] <lordcrc> yeah i have it on my desktop, tho i run win7 there... it made firefox feel like a big hog since it spent a whole second to open ^^
[23:38] <Volkodav> the gain is obvious to the point you do not believe it first days
[23:38] <lordcrc> cpu wise im fine with this laptop, pentium m 1.7, but hd makes opening apps etc s l o o o w
[23:39] <Volkodav> I run cache for browsers and similar stuff still off the raptor 10 k
[23:39] <lordcrc> ah, yeah i usually disable disk cache anyway
[23:40] <Volkodav> read this too http://www.nuclex.org/blog/personal/80-aligning-an-ssd-on-linux%22
[23:41] <Volkodav> and this http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?54379-Linux-Tips-tweaks-and-alignment
[23:42] <vish>  someone have a video link to the new kubuntu bootsplash! ?
[23:43] <lordcrc> cheers! i assume its best to set up the partitions etc from my desktop pc before installing on it?
[23:44] <lordcrc> annoying... g35 works now but volume control on them doesnt... that is they adjust some kind of volume, just not any related to playback
[23:46] <lordcrc> all this worked so fine in 10.04 :/ heh,joys of betas
[23:46] <Volkodav> the rule i learned about partitioning over the years is to use the systems's tools to partition and solaris was a perfect example
[23:48] <BumOnBoat> anyone have an answer..how to add stuff to the launcher on new netbook edition ?
[23:48] <Ken8521> lordcrc, whats the soundchipset on that machine?
[23:48] <Ken8521> lordcrc, also, for some reason(for me) the sound always started muted, until i unmuted it
[23:49] <lordcrc> Ken8521: the built in is realtek i think, however im using the logitech g35 usb headset
[23:49] <Ken8521> oh, ok.
[23:49] <Ken8521> nevrmind
[23:49] <lordcrc> Ken8521: it has volume control on the headset, which worked just peachy in 10.04 :)
[23:49] <Ken8521> hmmm
[23:50] <lordcrc> guess its just some pulse audio stuff... to get them working i had to kill and restart pulseaudio after pluggin them in... now i have sound but volume adjustment doesnt work
[23:57] <BumOnBoat> I figured it out....never mind