[04:39] <bduk> Good morning everyone
[05:10] <theblazehen> hi bduk
[05:24] <Kilos> morning all
[05:26] <bduk> Slaap ook ma lekker laat ne kilos
[05:26] <Kilos> haha ya bduk maar ek is ouer so het n verskoning
[05:27] <bduk> Nie veel ouer nie
[05:27] <Kilos> o ja
[05:27] <Kilos> heelwat
[05:28] <bduk> Ek  staan ook ma net vroeg op omdat ek moet
[05:51] <Kilos> hi Spekko
[05:51] <Kilos> lo jabberwocky93
[05:51] <Spekko> more kilos
[05:54] <jabberwocky93> more Kilos
[05:54] <Spekko> jabberwocky93 is maar stadig deesdae
[05:54]  * jabberwocky93 slaps Spekko with a large trout
[05:54] <Kilos> hehe
[06:21] <Kilos> no one is immune to bad internet
[06:22] <theblazehen> My internet is fast today :)
[06:23] <theblazehen> Eish bitcoin price must go up soon
[06:23] <theblazehen> As low as $420 this morning
[06:24] <Kilos> you are right
[06:25] <Kilos> Download Speed: 7519 kbps (939.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
[06:25] <Kilos> Upload Speed: 2700 kbps (337.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
[06:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:26] <Kilos> they fixed something while we were sleeping
[06:26] <theblazehen> heh you have good speed Kilos
[06:26] <theblazehen> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[06:26] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:47] <Kilos> hi who_da_fly something crashed
[06:48] <Kilos> theblazehen, can you explain how that mining thing actually works
[06:49] <Kilos> are they just using your pc and data or do you have to do things
[06:49] <theblazehen> Kilos: basically your PC is looking for hashes that have a certain amount of 0 bits at the start which then shares those hashes with the mining pool which gives you bitcoins
[06:49] <theblazehen> Just using your graphics card and data
[06:50] <Kilos> oh so an unattended pc keeps mining as long as its online?
[06:50] <theblazehen> Yep
[06:50] <theblazehen> I've actually got a nice setup :)
[06:50] <theblazehen> 9 Graphics cards
[06:51] <Kilos> wow
[06:51] <theblazehen> Cost just over 50 k
[06:51] <Kilos> eeeek
[06:51] <theblazehen> Yeah.. ONly makes a few hundred rand a day now though :(
[06:52] <Kilos> how many bitcoins do you earn in a day
[06:52] <theblazehen> Not 100% soure, but around R230 worth
[06:52] <theblazehen> sure*
[06:53] <Kilos> that will take forever to just make up the cost of your setup
[06:53] <theblazehen> Yeah :/
[06:53] <Kilos> oi
[06:53] <theblazehen> Profitability was better
[06:54] <Kilos> where do you plug 9 graphics cards in?
[06:54] <theblazehen> 3 computers
[06:54] <theblazehen> Want me to take a pic?
[06:54] <Kilos> of one pc inside yeah
[06:55] <theblazehen> Think I have on my phone. Lemme look
[06:55] <Kilos> if i use the main graphics socket and plugin an ide card too stuff dont work
[06:56] <theblazehen> What you mean by stuff don't work?
[06:56] <theblazehen> Is it PCI or PCI-e?
[06:57] <Kilos> e
[06:57] <theblazehen> k
[06:57] <theblazehen> Graphics card nice and cheap now :)
[06:57] <Kilos> whew not really
[06:58] <theblazehen> 280x for only around R3000 I think
[06:58] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/Maybe 3500
[06:58] <Kilos> my whole setup cost under 3k
[06:58] <theblazehen> Maybe 3500 *
[06:59] <Kilos> Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn.
[06:59] <theblazehen> Why?
[06:59] <Kilos> oh the maybe not spaced
[07:00] <theblazehen> Oh, that was accident
[07:00] <Kilos> sort that link man
[07:00] <theblazehen> Not a real link
[07:00] <Kilos> lol
[07:00] <theblazehen> Typed it while waiting for image to upload, forgot about it
[07:00] <Kilos> haha
[07:01] <Kilos> but zionks opened fast
[07:01] <Kilos> never heard that before
[07:02] <theblazehen> http://www.wootware.co.za/powercolor-axr9-280x-3gbd5-t2dhe-oc-turboduo-radeon-r9-280x-384bit-pci-express-3-0-desktop-graphics-card.html Cards are cheap now
[07:02] <theblazehen> GOt our for around 4500
[07:04] <theblazehen> http://imgur.com/57XPgSM
[07:04] <theblazehen> Right link
[07:05] <Kilos> oh its just mobo and cards
[07:05] <theblazehen> Yeah
[07:05] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:09] <Kilos> eish thats 4k for one card
[07:11] <Kilos> i want a complete pc for that price
[07:11] <Kilos> you got too much money
[07:12] <inetpro> good morning
[07:12] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos as well
[07:12] <inetpro> Kilos: if you give me some energy your interwebs will speed up automagically
[07:15] <theblazehen> inetpro: Can you speed mine up to? Please ? :)
[07:15] <theblazehen> http://i.imgur.com/eLtCI.jpg yeah, thats true..
[07:15] <inetpro> ai!
[07:15]  * inetpro trying to tackle the bull by the horns
[07:16] <inetpro> feels like I was hit by a train this morning
[07:20] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[07:20] <Kilos> inetpro, what can i do to help you?
[07:21] <inetpro> just give me some energy man
[07:21] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:21]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:21] <inetpro> good idea, thanks
[07:21] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[07:21] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[07:21] <Kilos> my speed is good today if you can make it even faster why havent you done it before
[07:22] <inetpro> ai!
[07:22] <Kilos> haha
[07:23] <theblazehen> inetpro: Who you work for?
[07:23] <Kilos> mine is nearly a mB/s  again today
[07:23] <inetpro> theblazehen: don't worry, I have nothing to do with your speeds
[07:23] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah, I know. Was interested anyway
[07:23] <Kilos> skelm
[07:23] <theblazehen> My speeds normal now anyway
[07:24] <Kilos> you wanted my energy for free mahala and for nothing
[07:24] <Kilos> i will give you moral support my pro
[07:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[07:25] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks man
[07:25] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[07:25]  * inetpro is just some lowly sysadmin in some lost dungeon
[07:25] <Kilos> liar
[07:26] <Kilos> without you they crash
[07:26] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie baie
[07:26] <Maaz> Geniet jou koppie boeretroos inetpro
[07:26] <theblazehen> Maaz, coffee please
[07:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[07:26] <theblazehen> I'm out of IRL coffee
[07:26] <theblazehen> Maaz, put a pot on please
[07:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: Excuse me?
[07:26] <theblazehen> hi ChanServ
[07:26] <theblazehen> charl_: *
[07:26] <charl_> good morning
[07:26] <Kilos> hi charl_
[07:26] <charl_> hi theblazehen
[07:26] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[07:26]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[07:26] <charl_> hi Kilos
[07:26] <theblazehen> Maaz do what you need to make coffee
[07:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: *blink*
[07:28] <theblazehen> Maaz: coffee please
[07:28] <Maaz> theblazehen: Okay
[07:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and theblazehen!
[07:30] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[07:30] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[07:31] <theblazehen> hi Private_User
[07:31] <charl_> hi Private_User
[07:31] <Private_User> hi theblazehen
[07:31] <Private_User> hi charl_
[07:32] <Private_User> and morning to everybody else
[07:32] <Kilos> hi Private_User net flying today
[07:33] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[07:33] <Private_User> well I just logged in so lets see
[07:34] <Kilos>  Download Speed: 7519 kbps (939.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
[07:40] <Private_User> just performed a speed test at mybroadband
[07:40] <theblazehen> I got some form of IPv^ !
[07:40] <Private_User> International - Download Speed: 3158 kbps (394.8 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 137 kbps (17.1 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency: 277 ms 5/6/2014 9:40:05 AM
[07:40] <Private_User> Johannesburg - Download Speed: 4317 kbps (539.6 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 479 kbps (59.9 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency: 112 ms 5/6/2014 9:41:20 AM
[07:40] <Private_User> Cape Town - Download Speed: 5474 kbps (684.3 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed: 326 kbps (40.8 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency: 117 ms 5/6/2014 9:43:36 AM
[07:40] <theblazehen> IPv6 *
[07:40] <charl_> theblazehen: what did you do ?
[07:40] <Kilos> thats the fastest you have had so far
[07:41] <theblazehen> charl_: CJDNS. It's a mesh network that uses IPv6
[07:41] <theblazehen> well Hyperboria, which runs on CJDNS
[07:41] <charl_> never heard of it
[07:41] <theblazehen> http://hyperboria.net/
[07:42] <theblazehen> Pretty good performance..
[07:42] <Golynx> o/
[07:42] <theblazehen> hi Golynx
[07:42] <charl_> very interesting
[07:42] <theblazehen> I'd actually love to set up a south african node
[07:42] <theblazehen> But I can't forward my ports :/
[07:42] <Golynx> hi theblazehen
[07:44] <theblazehen> charl_: ping6 uppit.us
[07:44] <theblazehen> PING uppit.us(fc3a:956e:4b69:1c1e:5ebc:11a5:3e71:3e7e) 56 data bytes
[07:44] <theblazehen> 64 bytes from fc3a:956e:4b69:1c1e:5ebc:11a5:3e71:3e7e: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=60
[07:44] <theblazehen> time=606 ms*
[07:44] <theblazehen> Not too bad, considering my point on entry node is in the US
[07:45] <theblazehen> Ping to my vps in NY is 251 ms
[07:45] <inetpro> yikes!
[07:45] <inetpro> Harvard researchers have succeeded in creating quantum switches that can be turned on and off using a single photon...
[07:46] <inetpro> http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/04/flipping-the-switch/
[07:46] <theblazehen> inetpro: Nice!
[07:46] <charl_> theblazehen: interesting, from a regular ipv6 node i get: From 2001:610:f00:4044::45 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: No route
[07:47] <theblazehen> charl_: yeah, isn't connected to main IPv6 network
[07:47] <theblazehen> Think it needs entries in BGP or something for that?
[07:47] <charl_> that's not very handy, making an exclusive little island like that
[07:48] <theblazehen> yeah, I know
[07:48] <theblazehen> AFAIK there is another open network that used BGP, not sure if it's connected to main network
[07:48] <theblazehen> But CJDNS is fully encrypted, etc. Encrypted to each nodes public key
[07:49] <charl_> that's a very nice concept but i don't like this island mentality, it's like the english
[07:49] <theblazehen> charl_: yeah, I get that
[07:49] <Kilos> hi mazal
[07:50] <mazal> Môre oom
[07:50] <charl_> if they made it so that it operates across the public network but then adds an extra layer on top it would have been awesome
[07:50] <charl_> but not this
[07:50] <theblazehen> https://dn42.net/Home
[07:50] <charl_> and if they made it optional
[07:50] <theblazehen> charl_: ^
[07:50] <theblazehen> yeah
[07:51] <theblazehen> You should actually read whitepaper of cjdns. Want a link?
[07:51] <charl_> very interesting
[07:51] <theblazehen> https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns/blob/master/doc/Whitepaper.md
[07:51] <charl_> nice, thanks
[07:53] <theblazehen> I still have a little diffiulty understanding how the routing works :/ :(
[07:53] <theblazehen> Oh man.. Just got the new firefox on my windows vm :(
[07:53] <theblazehen> Forgot about new UI
[07:55] <theblazehen> Private_User, Kilos, charl_ :Would you guys be interested in a south african hyperboria node?
[07:56] <Kilos> i dont understand what thats all about
[07:56] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:56] <theblazehen> Kilos: the mesh network I told you guys about
[07:56] <Kilos> but if it can cut mobile data costs of course im interested
[07:57] <Kilos> useless i go to something but still need to pay 8ta
[07:57] <theblazehen> Well it might not cut costs yet.. Unless you can get a wifi link to a guy with adsl or something
[07:58] <Private_User> if it eventually leads to free internet I am in
[07:58] <theblazehen> Private_User: great
[07:58] <theblazehen> Was just wondering if it's worth paying for the server
[07:58] <theblazehen> R200 per month ?!
[07:58] <Kilos> the idea is great but to find peeps that will share their wifi is another story
[07:59] <Private_User> lol
[07:59] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah. Thats why I'm gonna try and work on a way to pay people for sharing their internet connection
[07:59] <Kilos> Private_User, what the closest wifi to you?
[07:59] <Private_User> you right some people feel they paying for their access so everybody else should go and get their own
[08:00] <Private_User> I don't think there is any close to me
[08:00] <Kilos> im sure my net is faster than the peeps up the road using voda and then wifi locally
[08:01]  * mazal is busy installing 14.04
[08:01] <Kilos> ill actually mail telkom again and see whats involved for them to do the wifi bit from this mobile tower of theirs
[08:01] <mazal> Struggling to remember everything that needs to be added :P
[08:01] <Kilos> mazal, 14.04 is lekker
[08:01] <theblazehen> Heh, this hyperboria search engine...
[08:02] <theblazehen> No results.  Try the !s command to search using Socialnode.
[08:02] <mazal> Baise stadig met performance oom
[08:02] <mazal> baie even
[08:02] <Kilos> they just disabled some things by default so you can google lots
[08:02] <Kilos> nee man
[08:02] <Kilos> myne is beter as 12.04
[08:02] <Private_User> theblazehen: are you gonna try and make a business out of this as well? if so then I am definitely willing to assist where I can since I could also be benefiting financially which will in turn subsidise my internet connectivity
[08:03] <theblazehen> Private_User: Yep
[08:03] <theblazehen> Long way away though...
[08:03] <theblazehen> I'll share my powerpoint on it soon
[08:03] <Kilos> use all those bitcoin machines
[08:03] <Private_User> excellent
[08:04] <Private_User> brb
[08:05] <mazal> Alreadu have crashes on some apps and things not working :(
[08:10] <theblazehen> Gonna upload first version of powerpoint soon
[08:10] <Kilos> nee man mazal wat doen jy
[08:10] <mazal> Niks , nog skaars begin en die ding koer my al klaar
[08:11] <Kilos> update/upgrade
[08:11] <mazal> RSS crash aanmekaar en software centre maak net oop wanneer hy wil. Het nog nie eers begin om all my apps te laai nie
[08:11] <mazal> Klaar geupdate , doen dit altyd eerste
[08:12] <theblazehen> http://bit.ly/1htV50D Kilos, Private_User , charl_
[08:12] <Kilos> ek het nie een probleem gehad op twee mashine nie
[08:12] <Kilos> en drie hardeskywe
[08:14] <Kilos> mazal, install aptitude and do aptitude upgrade and see what it finds
[08:15] <theblazehen> I go get food
[08:15] <Kilos> you are the first one ive heard complain about 14.04
[08:15] <nuvolari> o/
[08:15] <theblazehen> Kilos: Want me to find a reason to complain? :p
[08:15] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[08:16]  * nuvolari complains too
[08:16] <nuvolari> my 12.04 won't upgrade
[08:16] <nuvolari> :P
[08:16] <Kilos> about 14.04?
[08:16] <Kilos> clean install it nuvolari
[08:16] <Kilos> just keep your old /home
[08:17] <theblazehen> Kilos: Found a problem. Wont fit on a CD
[08:17] <Kilos> lol
[08:17] <Kilos> ya 1.1g
[08:18] <Kilos> ive learned to rely on sticks and unetbootin
[08:19] <mazal> Kilos: Is a fresh install , so far only did updates , restricted extras , liferea , chromium and synaptic
[08:19] <mazal> And having problems already
[08:20] <Kilos> must be a bad install
[08:20] <Kilos> do it again
[08:20] <Kilos> everyone raves about 14.04
[08:23] <mazal> What's the best way these days to get libdvdcss installed ? If I remember correctly the medibuntu servers was shut down mos ?
[08:24] <theblazehen> Coffee + milo = good
[08:25] <Private_User> I agree
[08:27] <theblazehen> Private_User: you check out the powerpoint?
[08:30] <Kilos> mazal, its in the repos
[08:30] <mazal> Nope , only dvdnav is
[08:30] <Kilos> aptitude install libdvdcss2
[08:30] <mazal> Ok , found this: http://itsfoss.com/play-dvd-ubuntu-1310/
[08:32] <Kilos> install synaptic and you will see its in there
[08:32] <mazal> Already did , it's not in there
[08:33] <mazal> Only the dvdnav's are
[08:33] <Kilos> ?
[08:33] <Kilos> its in mine
[08:34] <Kilos> you installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and addons
[08:34] <mazal> Yep
[08:34] <Kilos> then do apt-get update again
[08:35] <Kilos> its in my synaptic
[08:35] <Kilos> there is also a unity-tweak-tool
[08:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html
[08:42] <Kilos> oh maybe i got it when i installed vlc
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's just hosted there
[08:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> also a i think you can install libdvdread, and then there's an install script for libdvdcss2 under /usr/share/doc
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[08:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[08:44] <Kilos> whew
[08:44] <Kilos> maybe i did that
[08:45] <mazal> Thanx ThatGraemeGuy
[08:45] <mazal> I went the route of adding that repo. Then one will get updates also
[08:45] <Kilos> i think i followed one of these http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2014/04/24/10-or-20-things-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr/
[08:46] <who_da_fly> Kilos: timeout
[08:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> the install-css.sh script adds the repo
[08:46] <who_da_fly> freenode has improved their IRC server, but it still a bit buggy
[08:47] <Kilos> wb superfly
[08:48] <Golynx> hmm
[08:48] <Golynx> weird day
[08:49] <theblazehen> Golynx: ?
[08:50] <Golynx> theblazehen nvm
[08:50] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[08:50] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[08:52] <theblazehen> ThatGraemeGuy: heh, found you on reddit again
[08:52] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:52] <Vince-0> Hi kbmonkey
[08:52] <Vince-0> I mean Kilos
[08:52] <Kilos> lol
[08:53] <Kilos> wow we 40 here and not even a meeting day
[08:53] <theblazehen> hi Vince-0
[08:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> theblazehen: yeah, that happens a lot :-p
[08:53] <Vince-0> haai o/
[08:53] <Golynx> hi Vince-0, ThatGraemeGuy
[09:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[09:06] <Private_User> sorry theblazehen just stepped away from my machine reading now
[09:23] <Private_User> theblazehen: completed reading presentation, sounds good
[09:24] <theblazehen> Private_User: thanks :) Seems it's missing somthing at the end though..
[09:29] <mazal> Guys where do I find the startup applications on 14.04 ?
[10:38] <theblazehen> 1BLAZECxMBkXTvuh8ppa49opVoQMcsGsm7 New BTC address :)
[10:55] <Vince-0> whoot!
[10:59] <mazal> Oom Kilos , het jy dalk 'n manier gekry al om iso te maak nou met remastersys wat nie meer bestaan nie ?
[11:39] <inetpro> quick question: do people still use anti reflective screen protectors these days?
[11:40] <Kilos> hmm... mazal
[11:40] <Kilos> ja dit het nog gewerk op 12.04
[11:41] <bushtech_> inetpro: you talking about on a phone?
[11:42] <inetpro> bushtech_: no, talking about on LCD monitors
[11:43] <bushtech_> Ah Ok dunno about them
[11:44] <inetpro> I remember a few years ago even I had something for myself but ever since moving to LCD I stopped using them
[11:45] <inetpro> now have users complaining about headaches and thinking about anti-glare screens
[11:46]  * inetpro thought modern screens have improved
[11:47] <bushtech_> swambo complaining about shiny screen on new Mecer laptop
[11:49] <theblazehen> inetpro: Which kind of screen? I think TN screens arent good, but IPS is expensive
[11:52] <inetpro> yikes! I did'nt even know about TN vs IPS, how do you know or check?
[11:53] <theblazehen> inetpro: Not quite sure. You gonna have to google it
[11:56] <Golynx> too much near sighted focus for the eyes will damage it in the long run. So to balance that go stand on top of a mountain and look around. The eyes love far sight , its relaxing and  much less strain on the brain. I read somewhere 5 years ago
[12:00] <theblazehen> Golynx: I don't have any problems..
[12:00] <theblazehen> yet
[12:01] <Golynx> theblazehen maybe in the long run
[12:01] <theblazehen> Well thats a problem for later.. :p
[12:02] <inetpro> so the real question is, will a anti-glare protector really help?
[12:03] <Golynx> the human animal is not used to the eyes being so stressed. Its used to looking at open landscape for food while hunting other animals and clobbing females over the head with rocks
[12:04] <inetpro> Golynx: you are out of line! :-)
[12:04] <Golynx> inetpro with tft lcd dim the screen
[12:05] <Golynx> cathode ray tubes are the evil that caused the invention the anti glare  protector
[12:05] <Golynx> of*
[12:05] <Golynx> inetpro just being honest, no point in hiding what we are
[12:06] <theblazehen> Golynx: I.. Liked.. My crt..
[13:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:17] <kbmonkey> hello
[15:17] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[15:17] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell Vince_0 Howzit, just missed you
[15:17] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Got it, I'll tell Vince_0 on freenode
[15:17] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[15:18] <Kilos> vince sometimes comes back at night
[15:19] <kbmonkey> they mostly come out at night... mostly...
[15:19] <Kilos> haha
[16:07] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan slaap vroeg
[16:16] <kbmonkey> moeg Kilos ?
[16:17] <Kilos> no he must sleep early
[16:17] <Kilos> this morning already he felt like hed been run over by a train
[16:18] <Kilos> old age gets to peeps you know
[16:22] <Kilos> but i wont be far behind him anyway
[16:24] <Kilos> kbmonkey, have you installed 14.04
[16:25] <kbmonkey> hey Kilos ! no I have not - thanks for reminding me!!
[16:25] <kbmonkey> been very occupied with family events
[16:25] <kbmonkey> tonight is the first night I get to spend time on the pc
[16:25] <Kilos> is all ok lad?
[16:25] <kbmonkey> foreigners visiting
[16:25] <Kilos> what flavour did you download
[16:25] <Kilos> ah
[16:25] <kbmonkey> ubuntu flavor
[16:26] <kbmonkey> desktop
[16:26] <Kilos> unity
[16:26] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[16:26] <kbmonkey> there is an option?
[16:26] <kbmonkey> it did not give me an option
[16:26] <Kilos> ya man they all there
[16:26] <kbmonkey> guess I got whatever was default
[16:26] <Kilos> kubuntu xubuntu lubuntu
[16:26] <kbmonkey> ubuntu
[16:26] <kbmonkey> unity then
[16:26] <Kilos> oh different links
[16:27] <Kilos> i told you a coupla years ago you get to ubuntu sometime
[16:27] <Kilos> mazal installed it today and battled from the start
[16:27] <Kilos> dunno what he did wrong
[16:31] <kbmonkey> ja I will maybe install tomorrow
[16:31] <Kilos> chicken
[16:31] <Kilos> 7 min install
[16:32] <Kilos> and it sees usb modems lekker
[16:32] <Kilos> even my d-link
[16:37] <kbmonkey> ja ja but I must eat supper just now and after chroes Ill be knackered oom - getting old ;P
[16:37] <kbmonkey> chores*
[16:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:39] <kbmonkey> he he he
[16:51] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[16:51] <Trixar_za> Hi Kilos
[16:54] <Private_User> evening all
[16:55] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[16:55] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[16:55] <Private_User> so everybody ready to cast their ballot tomorrow?
[16:56] <Private_User> or did everybody here qualify for the special votes for yesterday and today?
[16:56] <Kilos> haha
[16:56] <Private_User> i.e. the old and physically challenged
[16:56] <Trixar_za> I'm casting mine bright and early - mostly because I hate standing in cues more than I love sleep
[16:57] <Trixar_za> And God helps those bastards if they're not open at 7am like the law says
[16:57] <Trixar_za> :P
[16:57] <Private_User> looks like I will not be able to part take in Provincial elections not in the province I am registered :(
[16:58] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:58] <Private_User> cool enjoy Kilos
[16:58] <Trixar_za> That reminds me
[16:59] <Trixar_za> Does Wimpy still do the free breakfast for people that vote thing?
[16:59] <Private_User> I think they doing free coffee
[16:59] <Trixar_za> Oh right - coffee
[16:59] <Private_User> I saw the advert on TV earlier
[16:59] <Trixar_za> Eh, it's still something
[17:01] <Private_User> yeah maybe I go vote at place near a wimpy  and walk in for a free coffee
[17:01] <Private_User> since it does not matter where I go since I am not in my registered province or does it?
[17:03] <Private_User> hehe
[17:03] <Private_User> but wondering if there is any voting stations near a wimpy
[17:03] <Private_User> hmm...
[17:06] <Trixar_za> Actually the nearest one is across the train tracks at the nearest Pick 'n Pay - about 10 minutes walk from the voting station
[17:06] <Trixar_za> But it will be like 7am - so I'll probably have to wait
[17:10] <Kilos> take lotsa disguises so you can go back for more coffee
[17:12] <Golynx> wow software with my name lol http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrit_(software)
[17:13] <Golynx> this software actually made Android possible :p
[17:14] <Private_User> lol @ Kilos
[17:27] <Kilos> hi captine
[17:28] <captine> hi kilos
[17:31] <Golynx> ai. i got to learn to zip it at the right times.
[17:31] <Kilos> ?
[17:32] <Kilos> you on the right channel Golynx
[17:32] <Golynx> staying quiet i mean
[17:32] <Kilos> what now
[17:33] <Golynx> nothing happened , everything it fine
[17:34] <Kilos> ok
[17:47] <nuvolari> everyone ready to vote tomorrow?
[17:47] <theblaze1> nuvolari: Nope!
[17:47] <nuvolari> :-/
[17:47] <nuvolari> why not?
[17:47]  * nuvolari taps foot
[17:48] <Golynx> Zuma will win again, i see no point really
[17:48] <theblaze1> nuvolari: not 18 :p
[17:49] <nuvolari> theblaze1: get a move on then! :P
[17:49] <theblaze1> Golynx: I'd rather have zuma than malema..
[17:49] <nuvolari> Golynx: fail before trying then?
[17:49] <theblaze1> nuvolari: lol
[17:49] <nuvolari> it's because people don't vote that they smack away votes in favour of the corrupt govvament
[17:50] <Golynx> theblaze1 lol
[17:50] <nuvolari> hmm, not sure that we're allowed to talk politics in here :-/ sorry
[17:50] <Golynx> we dont need another Hitler :p
[17:51] <Golynx> nuvolari ya true
[17:51] <nuvolari> on a different topic: if you only have 1 place of work to provide as a reference for your 'professional carreer' in a CV, do you include your current boss as a reference? :P
[17:52] <nuvolari> how do you tell people, "Hey, I'm good, I'm worth it, just don't ask my boss"
[17:54]  * Golynx is happy to be unemployable :)
[17:56] <Golynx> but everyone need good references to make it as a self employed or an employable person
[18:11] <theblaze1> Golynx: atom.io
[18:18] <Golynx> theblaze1 thats a good project , but i'm strictly netbeans :)
[18:18] <theblaze1> kk :)
[18:40] <Kilos> inetpro, gaan slaap man. more is nog n dag
[18:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:48] <superfly> Golynx: every vote for another party is a vote against the ANC... if you don't vote it's the same as voting FOR the ANC
[18:48] <superfly> Golynx: there IS a point to voting. Besides... if you don't vote, you have no right to moan.
[18:55] <Golynx> superfly there are probably 16 million people going to vote . They wont miss 1 little vote :)
[18:56] <superfly> Golynx: you don't know that. your vote may make that difference between an ANC majority and not. a single vote can be quite powerful
[18:56] <Golynx> but i do understand you're point.
[19:00] <Golynx> superfly i wont vote this year. The ANC already made sure the DA wont come close to beating them. One example the baning of DA ads from SABC channels dominated by the ANC.
[19:00] <nuvolari> that's a void reason :-/
[19:01] <nuvolari> you don't eat an elephant in 1 bite
[19:01] <nuvolari> if you don't start nibbling, the elephant will trumpet till the end of existence
[19:02] <nuvolari> taking into mind that the hypothetical elephant never dies
[19:02] <superfly> Golynx: it's your free will to not vote, but I disagree with you
[19:02] <Golynx> nuvolari its not like i never voted. I just see no point in voting in this years election
[19:03] <nuvolari> Golynx: when then, will there ever be a year to vote?
[19:03] <nuvolari> what will be your deciding factor?
[19:03] <Golynx> superfly sure you are free to disagree :)
[19:04] <nuvolari> there is a point when 1 vote *will* make the difference. Your's might just have been this year
[19:06] <Golynx> nuvolari i already voted before. I got my reasons why i chose not to this time around. Dont worry i will vote in the future :)
[19:09] <nuvolari> http://youtu.be/_PrPLqw9qPE?t=7m23s <- perfect example of what a little can do
[19:09] <nuvolari> watch the whole video for a more dramatic effect
[19:10] <nuvolari> also there's the Butterfly Effect :)
[19:10] <nuvolari> no reason can be good enough not to vote, unless you are *gasp* bribed
[19:10] <nuvolari> are you? :P
[19:11]  * Golynx feels like he will be banned from the channel for not voting tomorrow
[19:12]  * superfly gets to have a free coffee from Cape Town's best coffee shop on Thursday, just because he is going to vote tomorrow
[19:14] <Golynx> haha even if i wanted to vote its too late to register .


[04:36] <nixternal> you guys see that Linux Mint has a KDE release now
[04:37] <nixternal> and not the sanest selection of default apps
[04:37] <nixternal> KOffice 1.6.2 replaces OO.o, default browser FF, using KPowersave (which is pretty decent)
[04:38] <nixternal> 802mb dvd iso
[04:38] <nixternal> why don't they just span across 2 cds, no they make me waste gigs of an expensive dvd disc :/
[04:38] <Hobbsee> wow
[04:42] <nixternal> that was probably one of the worst engineering flops I have witnessed I think
[06:20] <robotgeek> damn, looks like i have become too stupid. i can't get the upgrade manager to launch, even
[06:21] <nixternal> heh
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping
[06:21] <robotgeek> hello nixternal
[06:21] <nixternal> hiya robotgeek! how is life treatin' ya?
[06:21] <robotgeek> pretty good. work and school keep me really busy
[06:22] <nixternal> I hear you, school has me very busy, and trying to get in my Kubuntu work as well
[06:22] <nixternal> and giving more and more open source talks in the chicago area
[06:22] <robotgeek> whatever is left is spent on the girl :)
[06:22] <nixternal> heh
[06:22] <nixternal> in my case, my girl is Kubuntu, unless it is a guy :)
[06:22] <robotgeek> lol
[06:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:23] <nixternal> hell, if Kubuntu was a guy, then I guess I am...well you know
[06:23] <crimsun> we already know.  because of crimsun
[06:24] <robotgeek> is the package to install update-manager? cause that says gnome
[06:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, are you?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: see /topic
[06:24] <robotgeek> nixternal: are you really using vista?
[06:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I haven't used a Windows product in about 7 years now
[06:25] <nixternal> robotgeek: ^^
[06:25] <nixternal> ;p
[06:25] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yes, i've been there
[06:25] <crimsun> except for yesterday, in which he was using Excel 2007.
[06:25] <robotgeek> the update manager wont launch :)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: so you'd have seen that it was inside adept?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> or, usually is?
[06:25] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: I get that a loot
[06:25] <DaSkreech> lot
[06:25] <nixternal> I had XP running on my box to use this silly Visual Logic app for one of my classes
[06:25] <nixternal> that machine has since been replaced with Kubuntu64
[06:26] <DaSkreech> nixternal: that so sounds like a Console
[06:26] <nixternal> heh, it does
[06:27] <DaSkreech> I already have it on PS3 Muhwahahaha
[06:27] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: yes, it does not launch automatically as it says it should, i am trying to see if there is some kind of a cli command that can bring it up in that mode. plus, the apt-cache show update-manager says its a gnome app
[06:27] <DaSkreech> is there a Kubuntu playstation3 iso?
[06:27] <robotgeek> page listed on /topic links to update-manager bug page
[06:27] <DaSkreech>  I saw one for Ubuntu
[06:27] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: kubuntu one's called something else.  i think it's a part of adept, actually
[06:28] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: there may be - i think you run hte /tmp/kubuntu-dist-upgrade * .py to run it
[06:28] <robotgeek> adept_updater, maybe. that did not work either :(
[06:50] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: You do know that the upgrader is the manual upgrade anyway :-)
[06:51] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: i tht it does some funky foo, manual upgrades will crash and burn your system, the page states :)
[06:51] <robotgeek> anyways, been doing this since breezy, so not too worried :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[07:39] <DaSkreech> manchicken: ping
[07:40] <ScottLij_> pung
[07:40] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: pong
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Umm
[07:41] <DaSkreech> right
[07:41] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:41] <DaSkreech>  How do I get adept_updater to not check
[07:41] <DaSkreech> essentially to disable it
[10:21] <giangy> 'morning
[11:33] <Hobbsee> fdoving: you here?
[11:38] <fdoving> Hobbsee: yes.
[11:39] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that unmount thing looks good.  you might even want to make ti sleep for 1 second, and then show the 2/3's
[11:39] <fdoving> yeah i considered that, but it won't be sitting there for that long in most cases.
[11:40] <fdoving> it's more a quick hack to somehow tell users not to remove the device until it's gone.
[11:41] <fdoving> there is no way i can think of to get the real status, i can of course make it show pseudo progress.
[11:41] <fdoving> though it will be a bigger diff.
[11:42] <fdoving> Hobbsee: did you try it?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> havent yet
[11:44] <fdoving> i have a compiled binary at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[11:44] <fdoving> chmod +x and put it in the path.. or replace with /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper
[11:45] <fdoving> less timeconsuming than to re-build kdebase
[11:45] <Hobbsee> indeed
[11:50] <Hobbsee> fdoving: neat
[11:50] <Hobbsee> still my USB is lit up, though
[11:51] <Hobbsee> fdoving: you may want to go from first to second immediately then
[11:51] <fdoving> from first to second what?
[11:52] <fdoving> show more progress?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:52] <fdoving> tell me what you want and i'll change it.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> add ++            info->progressBar()->setProgress(2); below ++            info->progressBar()->setProgress(1);
[11:53] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's so fast anyway, you can probably fudge the entire progress bar
[11:53] <Hobbsee> depending how fast it redraws :P
[11:53] <fdoving> it's very very fast.
[11:53] <fdoving> i can set it to 60% or something.. from the start.
[11:54] <fdoving> ok.
[11:54] <Hobbsee> and then it appears to properly go thru - even though it doesnt
[11:54] <fdoving> but then i need timers.. gah.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> nah, dont bother.  just fudge it :P
[11:55] <Hobbsee> seeing as we know it's instant on most machines, all that the 1/3, 2/3 will do will just flash past
[11:55] <fdoving> how long do you want it to take from 1/3 to 2/3 ?
[11:55] <fdoving> i need to set a fixed time.
[11:55] <fdoving> on that.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> quarter of a second? half a second?
[11:55] <Hobbsee> 0.25 seconds would be good :P
[11:55] <fdoving> 50ms
[11:55] <fdoving> ok.
[11:55] <Hobbsee> that works
[11:55] <fdoving> i'll try that.
[11:56] <Hobbsee> that'll *appear* to make it faster, too
[11:56] <Hobbsee> even though it doesnt
[11:58] <fdoving> Hobbsee: kio_media_mounthelper -s /dev/sdb1
[11:59] <fdoving> where /dev/sdb1 is your removable device.
[11:59] <fdoving> the command exits when it's finished.
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[11:59] <Hobbsee> very clever :)
[12:00] <fdoving> and the dialogbox dies with its parent, which is kio_media_mounthelper
[12:00] <Hobbsee> ahhh, i see :)
[12:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: what about making it 10 parts increasing 10 percent every 25ms or something?
[12:41] <fdoving> then make it stop at 90% in any case.. we don't want it to close before it's all finished.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that works
[01:08] <Hobbsee> sounds like a good idea to me :)
[01:08] <giangy> yawn
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hi giangy
[01:09] <giangy> hi Hobbsee =)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:11] <giangy> what about having The fourth development snapshot for KDE 4 for Feisty?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> when's it due?
[01:12] <Hobbsee> giangy: ^
[01:13] <giangy> Hobbsee: I'm asking this because I'm writing an article about KDE 4 and I want to know (the article will be published in may) if a new snapshot would be available
[01:13] <Hobbsee> giangy: who are you writing for?
[01:13] <giangy> Hobbsee: Linux&C, Italian magazine leader in Linux-related contents
[01:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:14] <giangy> heh =)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> giangy: that mostly depends on when kde upstream actually releases the next snapshot of kde4
[01:14] <Hobbsee> and iv'e forgotten where the schedule is
[01:14] <giangy> Hobbsee: mh, true..
[01:15] <giangy> according to http://dot.kde.org/1174481326/ , an alpha release will be available the 1st of May
[01:16] <Hobbsee> it appears may 1, then.
[01:16] <giangy> okey :-)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> unless we get the manpower, etc, to do daily kde4 builds
[01:16] <Hobbsee> well, every tuesday or something, i guess
[01:17] <giangy> it sounds interesting :)
[01:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: will you be around in ~5 min? i have a new test-case for you if you're available.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> fdoving: not in 5 - but i'll be back in 20, id' guess
[01:19] <fdoving> ok. i'll just give you the url to the binary.
[01:19] <fdoving> when it's ready.
[01:22] <fdoving> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[01:22] <fdoving> with a timer and all.
[01:24] <fdoving> chmod +x and replace /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper
[01:59] <Hobbsee> fdoving: great, thanks :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> fdoving: now i dont even see it.  *g*
[02:01] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i wonder if you want the total of that to be 1 sec long...
[02:02] <Hobbsee> (giving you enough time to read what this flashing thing is(
[02:42] <Pupeno_> Hello.
[02:42] <Pupeno_> I've just installed Feisty and it is failing to open my cryptsetup encrypted FS. I've run a Edgy livecd and the FS is still there, openable and readable. Is this an incompatibility problem? a bug? any ideas?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Pupeno_: try #ubuntu+1
[02:44] <Pupeno_> Hobbsee: thanks.
[02:54] <fdoving> Hobbsee: what about waiting some ms before showing the dialog at all?
[02:54] <fdoving> Hobbsee: then if it finishes before that minimalDuration the dialog won't show at all.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> fdoving: then people dont know it exists, is the only thing
[02:55] <fdoving> nothing would be better.
[02:56] <fdoving> i'd like to see those who manage to unplug the removable device 100ms after clicking 'safely remove'
[02:56] <fdoving> they are in a hurry.. imho.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> fdoving: true
[03:00] <Hobbsee> 100ms is 0.1 seconds, right?
[03:00] <fdoving> yes.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> so not that long anyway
[03:00] <Hobbsee> true, i get your poitn
[03:00] <fdoving> i'll make a binary with that set to 150, for you to try.
[03:00] <fdoving> my computer is too slow to actually test this.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> ahh
[03:02] <toma> why does it give that ugly warning about not being able to eject the thing? it's not a big secret that usb thingies can not be ejected, right?
[03:02] <fdoving> toma: does it do that for you?
[03:02] <toma> yep
[03:02] <fdoving> it should not.
[03:02] <fdoving> maybe i changed something.
[03:02] <fdoving> hang on.
[03:03] <fdoving> it should shutup.
[03:03] <fdoving> it's probably kdeeject
[03:03] <fdoving> but kio_media_mounthelper is set to run it with the -q flag.
[03:04] <fdoving> i don't see that error, though.
[03:04] <fdoving> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[03:04] <fdoving> with 150ms delay.
[03:05] <fdoving> i'll have to run again..
[03:05] <fdoving> bbl.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:06] <toma> i used a zaurus for testing, probably something weird with that then.
[03:39] <neutraloss> anyone know how I can get console-setup to stop throwing errors?
[04:30] <fdoving> neutraloss: what errors?
[04:31] <Hobbsee> fdoving: still too quick to see.  i'd psot that on the ML, and see what people say
[04:31] <Hobbsee> it's really a critical bug, so i ssupect it might get accepted
[04:31] <fdoving> ok.
[04:32] <fdoving> i'll have a look at the possibility to make it stay for a second or something whatsoever.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:36] <\sh> happy easter hobbsee
[04:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: you too :)
[04:36] <Hobbsee> \sh: coming to UDS?
[04:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: nope, can't make it to spain...but I will be at linuxtag :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: pity
[04:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: right now, my GF and I are planning to move to karlsruhe, and the mov+work+linuxtag in berlin is a big load of work
[04:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: yepp, I'll try to make to next UD somewhere in this world
[04:39] <\sh> hopefully with good news that my company changed from SLES to ubuntu or so ;)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> \sh: fair enough
[04:39] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:41] <\sh> Hobbsee: but I promise, you will have fun with the guys at UDS ;)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> \sh: heh.  hopefully
[04:42] <\sh> but where is my GF now? I wonder what she's doing
[04:49] <Hobbsee> \sh: you'll probably make it to one i wont be at
[04:50] <\sh> Hobbsee: we will see...if not, I'll have to come down under ;)
[04:50] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:51] <\sh> actually I have to plan a vacation to new zealand to visit my ex
[04:51] <\sh> something on my todo list for next year
[04:51] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:55] <fdoving> Hobbsee: please test http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper
[04:55] <fdoving> it's updated again.
[04:55] <fdoving> does it stay for 1 sec now?
[04:57] <Hobbsee> fdoving: still stays there for a very small amount of time.  *shrug*
[05:24] <fdoving> Hobbsee: can you fetch it again and test?
[05:33] <fdoving> it should wait for a second before quitting now.
[05:33] <fdoving> i can increase that time if it's still too little.
[05:33] <fdoving> ok.
[05:33] <fdoving> nite.
[06:27] <pupeno> Does anybody know any other tests I could run to provide a good report of the problem before re-installing? [about bug 88213]
[06:27] <ubotu> Malone bug 88213 in gnome-mount "Feisty does not mount encrypted partition" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88213
[07:41] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/downloads.php.diff  <- fixes the Kubuntu website download page to start to look somewhat consistant
[07:43] <giangy> hi nixternal :)
[07:43] <nixternal> hi giangy
[08:31] <mhb> Riddell: looks fine
[08:32] <mhb> Riddell: the translations of "file" and such are now present in langpacks again
[08:47] <larsivi> In general, why are package updates held back by apt? the adept update thingy constantly says not updated due to several OOo and linux-header, etc updates
[08:48] <_StefanS_> evening :)
[08:59] <fdoving> larsivi: in general, missing dependencies, and when new pacakges needs to be installed to statisfy depends.
[09:03] <larsivi> fdoving: thanks - probably not the answer I looked for :P
[09:04] <claydoh> could it be the needed packaeg are not in the servers just yet?
[09:04] <fdoving> could be.
[09:04] <claydoh> packages rather
[09:04] <fdoving> that's what i mean by 'missing dependencies'
[09:05] <larsivi> I saw the linux-header packages and such were held back earlier and were installed after a couple of days, but this time they've been around for quite some time
[09:06] <fdoving> and there is a difference 'apt-get/aptitude upgrade' vs. 'apt-get/aptitude dist-upgrade' - where upgrade will upgrade currently installed pacakges. and dist-upgrade allows to install new packages in addition to upgrading the currently installed packages. this includes installing new dependencies for held packages.
[09:07] <larsivi> fdoving: dist-upgrade did the trick, it seems :)
[09:07] <fdoving> good :)
[10:46] <Riddell> mhb: hoorah
[10:52] <giangy> uhm
[10:53] <mhb> Riddell: indeed hooray for you
[10:58] <fdoving> Riddell: what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/61946 and my proposed solution?
[10:58] <ubotu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,In progress]
[10:59] <fdoving> if you trust my precompiled binaries, you can test with http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/kio_media_mounthelper  - replace /usr/bin/kio_media_mounthelper and chmod +x it.
[10:59] <fdoving> then safely remove something.
[11:15] <mhb> mmm, testing
[11:18] <nixternal> how do I do strnicmp with gcc?
[11:23] <mhb> fdoving: it works here, but that's probably not exactly the input you wanted
[11:24] <fdoving> mhb: all feedback is good feedback. great. what do you think about it? better than nothing?
[11:25] <mhb> that is true; somehow I dislike pop-ups in the middle of the screen but it is understandable
[11:27] <fdoving> me too, but it's there for a reason.
[11:28] <fdoving> i thought about making it it's own switch to kio_media_mounthelper, -k or something, to safely remove.
[11:29] <fdoving> that way when we change our safelyremove.desktop to use -k, users that hate the popup can simply switch back to -s (current safely remove switch), and it's back to edgy behavior.
[11:29] <fdoving> but, i didn't do that.
[11:40] <mhb> fdoving: it's still useful
[11:56] <Riddell> fdoving: it's pretty well too late to include new code in feisty
[11:56] <fdoving> ok. too bad.
[11:57] <Riddell> fdoving: but we'll look at this at UDS for feisty+1
[11:58] <fdoving> might be able to get an UVF with that fix, as the severity of the bug is High.
[11:59] <fdoving> .. and the diff is small.
[12:04] <fdoving> i of course mean, SRU.