[19:14] <redxine> Anyone else having trouble with schedulesdirect?  I just renewed my subscription and mythfilldatabase fails silently.  Fresh install of mythbuntu 12.04 yields the same result.
[19:16] <redxine> the console complains about the content type not being specified, and defaults it to application/octet-stream. There's no specific error, and it even pulls up the correct subscription expiration date.  It just can't get any of the lineups.
[19:17] <redxine> DataDirect: Failed to get data: Download error


[12:28] <Kraken> 'night
[12:28] <grazie> does anyone fully understand the ubuntu kernel version numbering system?
[12:30] <maxamillion> grazie: not since edgy ... dapper made sense to me, but ever since upstart and -generic kernels, its just kinda a blurr
[12:31] <grazie> k
[12:31] <Kraken> Hrm. It still mounts to usbdisk
[12:40] <Kraken> Oh well, I'll try again in the morning.
[12:40] <eugman> What are the ram requirements for xubuntu?
[12:41] <maxamillion> eugman: http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[12:42] <eugman> thanks
[01:00] <DrX0> how can I tell if my system is frozen or just buy?
[01:01] <DrX0> busy?
[01:01] <maxamillion> ctrl+alt+f1 ... if it brings you to a command line login, its just busy (or possibly X just froze)
[01:01] <maxamillion> ctrl+alt+f7 will get you back to a gui desktop
[01:03] <DrX0> nothing
[01:04] <maxamillion> DrX0: yeah ... probably X completely fragged the system, it sadly happens on rare occasions because some application will lock up, then it will cause some memory hemmorage in X, and then the system doesn't have enough memory to operate and BAM ... froze system
[01:04] <DrX0> should I be using Solaris?
[01:04] <maxamillion> Solaris would be subject to the same issue
[01:16] <Jester45> hello
[01:16] <LordGamer> maxamillion CS2 wirks and so does Dreamweaver
[01:18] <Jester45> cool
[01:23] <DrX0> is there a ctrl-alt-del option?
[01:23] <maxamillion> DrX0: no, this isn't windows (or gnome :P) ... you can do ctrl+alt+backspace to kill and restart X
[01:23] <DrX0> are there configurable parameters I can use to mitigate this Xwindows crashing problem?
[01:23] <maxamillion> LordGamer: awsome!
[01:23] <maxamillion> awesome*
[01:23] <DrX0> nothing
[01:24] <DrX0> power switch?
[01:30] <maxamillion> sadly, probably going to be the only thing you can do
[01:31] <DrX0> well, at least my OS is still here *THIS* time.
[01:32] <DrX0> I was wondering, I understand that if you get too many IO requests that the system will eventually hose and actually reboot (Solaris, at least), and that you can configure the thresholds for that, but can why can't you just tell the OS not to accept any more IO requests until the queue has been depleted?
[01:37] <maxamillion> DrX0: IO requests? ... from a user or from the net? ... i'm sure there is a way to configure it to just ignore requests until its capable of handling more again ... just never needed to so i never looked into it
[01:57] <Jester45> get faster drive? slower cpu?
[02:01] <maxamillion> gotta run, i'm off work
[02:02] <mark487> newbie Q: does xubuntu have a tool to mount & view-contents of an extra hd?
[02:07] <DrX0> anyone know how to view an SDL console without RDP?
[02:14] <keb> how do i find out what package a file came from?
[02:15] <keb> i'm getting tons of scrollkeeper errors in my logs for documents i dont even want on my system
[02:26] <keb> ok looks like removing ubuntu-docs will deal work around the problem for now
[02:26] <keb> -deal
[02:47] <Majic> Hi yall. :)
[02:48] <Majic> I was wondering, is there a way to export all the packages you have installed?  Like, all the Debians?
[02:48] <Majic> *to a certain location*
[02:51] <keb> you meean make a list of them?
[02:54] <Majic> No, like export the debian packages that were downloaded...
[02:58] <keb> export = convert into a different package format?  or save downloaded .debs onto a cd?
[02:59] <Majic> This has me excited and i would like to save all my package downloads onto a disk if I have to clean install this:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd2
[02:59] <Majic> Since I don't know much about how the packages are saved, I came here to find out... :)
[03:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> By default, the packages you've downloaded are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives.
[03:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Don't count on Edgy versions always working in Feisty, though.
[03:00] <Majic> I know.
[03:01] <Majic> I can still hope for the best though.  And besides, if I have to reinstall 6.10, I'll still have the packages on the CD.
[03:01] <Majic> I've re-downloaded GNOME, OpenOffice, and all the other apt-get upgrade's almost 7 times now...
[03:01] <Majic> *was getting Vista and Ubuntu to dual-boot correctly*
[03:02] <Majic> I only had the Xubuntu Edgy install disk. :)
[03:02] <keb> can Vista run in vmware
[03:02] <Majic> Thanks for your help, PuMpErNiCkLe. <3
[03:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[03:02] <PuMpErNiCkLe> keb: Yes.
[03:03] <Majic> I have never heard of vmware...
[03:03] <Majic> I'm just the nub that signed up for the Microsoft Beta testing and got their lame install disk for free. :)
[03:03] <Majic> All they wanted was log files at the Vista Install Fair.
[03:03] <Majic> hehehe, I saw some guy installing Vista on a Power Mac.
[03:04] <Majic> Anyways, I got Vista and Xubuntu to dual-boot correctly.  Got NTFS write capabilies with ntfs-3g.  And it all works great...
[03:04] <Majic> Even got Beryl to run correctly. ;)
[03:05] <mark487> Q: how do I mount & view the contents of an extra hd?
[03:05] <Majic> I use a Powerbook G4 primarily, but I"m trying to get myself comfortable with Linux.
[03:05] <Majic> !fstab
[03:05] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:06] <Majic> *it's how I got other partitions to mount...*
[03:09] <mark487> thanks much!  interesting... very helpful
[03:09] <Majic> Good luck...  I hope it helps. :)
[03:10] <Majic> In the older days, people would edit fstab over and over to get a drive to mount.  Now we have programs that do all that editing for us...  But once in a while, you still have to go back to fstab.
[03:11] <keb> hmm what programs edit fstab
[03:11] <Majic> No idea, but I heard they exist. :D
[03:11] <Majic> hehehe
[03:11] <keb> all that automounting can get annoying, especially ivman
[03:11] <keb> i havent figured out how to control it
[03:12] <Majic> I deleted my entire partition map indefinitely because I didn't know of the blkid command. :D
[03:12] <Majic> *a few days ago*
[03:12] <Majic> It took the next few days to figure out which way I wanted to re-partition my drives.
[03:12] <Majic> Finally got it right...
[03:12] <Majic> I hate partitioning...
[03:13] <Majic> Also:  I highly recommend the Amarok music player over Rhythmbox.
[03:14] <keb> hmm i had that for a while and it was a pig
[03:14] <Majic> Rhythmbox is nice, but Amarok can make a MySQL database for faster load times. :)  I'm not sure what Rhythmbox uses...
[03:14] <keb> i think i have removed all traces of kde now
[03:14] <Majic> Why don't you like KDE?
[03:14] <keb> well i don't want pieces of two independent desktops running when i'm short of RAM
[03:15] <Jester45> amarok doesnt make a mysql it makes a SQLlite but it can use a mySQL becuase its faster
[03:15] <keb> one of the advantages of xubuntu is how lean it is
[03:15] <Majic> Okay, wasn't sure.  :)  I thought it made a MySQL database...
[03:15] <Jester45> keb: it only use more when they are running
[03:16] <keb> yes, but amarok is usually running alongside other stuff due to it being music ;)
[03:16] <Majic> How much RAM do you have, keb?
[03:16] <Jester45> Majic: its a DQL db still but its not as faST AS MYSQL BUT with the lite you dont have ot run a deamon so its more standlone
[03:16] <keb> i have 512MB but somehow firefox chews up half
[03:17] <Jester45> you should fix that
[03:17] <Majic> Didn't know that...Thanks Jester. :)
[03:20] <Jester45> np :) thats why they give you the option of useing 3 diffrent sql DB
[03:20] <Majic> Hmm, I should make one. :D
[03:20] <Jester45> simple and slow or.... complex and fast
[03:21] <Majic> I like fast.  *crashes and burns* :D
[03:23] <Jester45> yes but you have to run a mySQL db
[03:23] <Jester45> but for people that are running one its just a few clicks and tpying and bam
[03:24] <Jester45> Majic: how much ram do you got?
[03:24] <Majic> Same as keb. :)  512 Mb.
[03:24] <Majic> I have a Pentium 4 Celeron processor.  2.4 Ghz.
[03:24] <keb> 1.7GHz here
[03:25] <Majic> What processor?
[03:25] <keb> celeron
[03:25] <Majic> Okay, me too...I meant like, which Pentium?  2,3,4?
[03:25] <keb> stepping 03
[03:26] <keb> dmesg doesnt say
[03:26] <Jester45> 3 or 4
[03:26] <Jester45> im thinking 3
[03:26] <Jester45> p2 maxes at 1.0 i think
[03:27] <Jester45> unless u OCed
[03:27] <keb> nope
[03:27] <Jester45> and p4 i think are more of the 2.0 or more range
[03:28] <Jester45> brb got to do the dishes
[03:36] <mark487> so my other hd is at hdb1.  Dumb Q: how do I view its contents?
[03:37] <kalikiana> mark487: man mount :P
[03:37] <mark487> double clicking on it just results in my cpu red-line-ing
[03:38] <mark487> yup, i figured i could mount it command-line, but was wondering if it could be mounted and viewed in thunar or some other convenient util.
[03:40] <Jester45> um
[03:40] <Jester45> mark487: using the mount command is the most convenient
[03:40] <Jester45> '
[03:41] <Jester45> its very simple
[03:41] <mark487> (I know my questions must seem stupid)
[03:41] <keb> you could use the vi command to permanently add the partition to /etc/fstab
[03:41] <keb> then it will automount
[03:41] <keb> and you can use thunar on it
[03:42] <keb> or another editor if you dont like vi
[03:42] <mark487> so if i mount the partition, then thunar will be able to browse it?
[03:42] <mark487> thanks
[03:44] <Jester45> yes
[03:44] <Jester45> you give it a mount point or empty folder and in the folder will be all the drives stuff
[03:46] <mark487> thanks all
[03:48] <mark487> I'd've thought that thunar might have the option to right click to select a partition to mount.  Do some utils have that, or is it specifically avoided?
[03:49] <mark487> thanks in advance
[03:49] <Jester45> i think its just unsed becuase the mount command works great
[03:50] <keb> hmm there used to be some sort of hardware browser in ubuntu
[03:50] <Jester45> gparted
[03:50] <Jester45> could look at them
[04:04] <Prisoner_> hello
[04:05] <keb> hi. did you file off your number?
[04:07] <Jester45> keb: ??
[04:07] <keb> just kidding
[04:07] <Prisoner_> I am not a number, I am a free man!
[04:07] <keb> prisoners usually have numbers
[04:08] <Jester45> o
[04:08] <Jester45> i understand
[04:08] <keb> excellent, sorry for being obtuse
[04:10] <Prisoner_> lol
[04:10] <Prisoner_> I'm surprised how Xubuntu runs on this old 400mhz clunker, it actually runs OK
[04:11] <somerville32> *256mb now :)
[04:12] <Prisoner_> this is a 400mhz AMDk6 with 384 mb RAM
[04:13] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[04:13] <spasticteapot> Anyone here?
[04:13] <Prisoner_> I'm here
[04:13] <Jester45> we are all gone
[04:13] <Prisoner_> Today was supposed to be official release of Windows VIsta, the best thing to ever happen to Linux
[04:16] <Jester45> lol
[04:16] <spasticteapot> Prisoner_: To be quite honest, I think I have the same things (shiny-wise) under XFCE.
[04:16] <Prisoner_> I have an nVidia GeFOrce FX5500 128mb video card, will that be OK under Xubuntu?
[04:16] <spasticteapot> Except it runs on a tiny fraction of the resources.
[04:16] <spasticteapot> Overkill.
[04:16] <Prisoner_> true
[04:17] <Jester45> did you know that all the IO request are encrypted? and scaned for illegal downloaded things
[04:17] <keb> Prisoner_ : i have a fx5200 and it works fine
[04:17] <j1mc> Prisoner_, you've got pleeenty o'graphics juice there.
[04:17] <j1mc> some people run xubuntu with just as much _system_ ram.
[04:17] <keb> ooh did they implement the palladium architecture after all
[04:17] <Jester45> Prisoner_: you can run the cube engine very nicly with that
[04:18] <Prisoner_> I was asking because someone told me he heard Linux has trouble with nVidia, has that been corrected?
[04:18] <Jester45> they came out with 2 verson becuase the full blowen vista needs to much power :)
[04:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Prisoner_: It's ati, not nVidia, that usually causes problems.
[04:19] <spasticteapot> Linux works out PERFECTLY with Nvidia.
[04:19] <Jester45> Prisoner_: you got it backwrds
[04:19] <spasticteapot> I have craptastic Intel Integrated. Works poifect.
[04:19] <Prisoner_> funny thing, this box has an ATI video card in it and it seems to work OK
[04:19] <Prisoner_> ATI Radeo VE
[04:19] <spasticteapot> Anyone know how much Murrine will slow down my machine?
[04:19] <keb> i think if you insist on pure GPL you won't get the accelerated OpenGL
[04:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not for awhile anyway... the nouveau project is working on an OSS 3D capable nvidia driver.
[04:23] <spasticteapot> Has anyone tried Murrine?
[04:23] <keb> isnt that some sort of eyewash
[04:24] <spasticteapot> Nope...GUI plugin.
[04:24] <spasticteapot> I'd like something a little better than Clearlooks.
[04:31] <Prisoner_> hmmm
[04:31] <Prisoner_> I really need to get Xubuntu installed on my main PC
[04:31] <spasticteapot> T3h fast.
[04:32] <spasticteapot> Sorry...have not had sleep.
[04:32] <spasticteapot> Will not use joysticks again,
[04:35] <rizzo> doing command-line system install from xubuntu 6.10 alternate CD.  seems hung just after detecting hardware
[04:35] <rizzo> I have a blank blue screen with a gray row on the bottom and a text cursor
[04:36] <keb> any hard disk activity?
[04:36] <Prisoner_> I have one problem with Xubuntu
[04:36] <Prisoner_> when I boot down the PC doesn't shut off
[04:36] <rizzo> keb: I don't hear any
[04:37] <rizzo> the light is not lit, although I'm not sure if the LED is connected anyway
[04:39] <Prisoner_> any suggestions, when I boot down Ubuntu or Kubuntu, the PC shuts off, but not with Xubuntu
[04:45] <keb> rizzo are there any pre-existing operating systems on the hard disk you are installing to
[04:46] <rizzo> keb: it was gentoo, but I wiped the disk with dban first
[04:46] <rizzo> so nothing is on there now at all
[04:49] <keb> the only hints i found is: possibly corrupt cd
[04:49] <keb> were you able to try some different install options such as acpi=off
[04:50] <keb> or did it even get that far?
[04:52] <rizzo> it brings up the menu, I select the command-line system install.  it does the language and keyboard stuff.  then it does the automatic hardware detection.  that seems to complete and then immediately after I just have this empty blue screen
[04:52] <rizzo> I'll restart and do memtest and cd media test
[04:52] <Jester45> try cd first
[04:53] <Jester45> memtest is long
[04:53] <keb> and if gentoo was running the mem is probably ok
[04:56] <rizzo> cd test seems to be hanging as well just like install
[04:56] <rizzo> damn
[04:57] <Jester45> burn at a low speed
[04:58] <rizzo> writing at 16x this time (was 24x before)
[04:58] <keb> 4x is recommended
[04:58] <keb> in the forums
[04:59] <keb> i think historically there was some sort of format change when burning at 8x or less
[04:59] <keb> i.e. blanks that couldnt be burnt at more than 8x were a different type
[05:00] <keb> dunno if burners make any such distinction when you set speed
[05:01] <rizzo> ugh ok
[05:01] <rizzo> we'll see how this one turns out
[05:08] <rizzo> writing at 4x
[05:11] <bigfuzzyjesus> rizzo, i usually do a md5chksum then burn at 8x and they always work for me...
[05:12] <rizzo> bigfuzzyjesus: I've burned a working disc from this iso at work
[05:12] <rizzo> so I know the iso is good
[05:12] <bigfuzzyjesus> rizzo, working hard or hardly working ?
[05:13] <rizzo> right now it's the latter
[05:13] <bigfuzzyjesus> rizzo, where at?
[05:32] <rizzo> looks like same bullshit at 4x
[05:33] <keb> :(
[05:33] <keb> you mean the cd test fails?
[05:33] <keb> or hangs
[05:34] <keb> mem test next i guess
[05:36] <rizzo> cd test hangs
[05:36] <keb> if memtest comes out ok, do you have another cdrom to try
[05:36] <keb> drive i mean
[05:38] <rizzo> not anymore
[05:39] <keb> is the drive connected as master on the 2nd ide channel?
[05:41] <keb> i guess i'm suggesting check all the hardware
[05:41] <rizzo> yeah I'll check that out later
[06:05] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know how to add themes to XFCE/Murrine?
[06:05] <somerville32> Yup
[06:05] <somerville32> :)
[06:05] <spasticteapot> It says to add them to ~/.themes/ ; I presume that means /usr/share/themes?
[06:05] <somerville32> No
[06:05] <spasticteapot> Oh.
[06:05] <somerville32> ~ means your home directory
[06:05] <spasticteapot> That would explain why I need root access.
[06:05] <spasticteapot> Durr....
[06:06] <spasticteapot> I dumb.
[06:06] <somerville32> You don't need root access
[06:06] <j1mc> yeah, i wish xfce had an easier theme manager like gnome.
[06:06] <spasticteapot> To access /usr/share/themes you do.
[06:06] <spasticteapot> Eh.
[06:06] <spasticteapot> It's not so bad.
[06:06] <somerville32> spasticteapot, Right...
[06:06] <j1mc> i guess . . .
[06:06] <spasticteapot> "It's not windows".
[06:06] <somerville32> spasticteapot, You need to put them in your home directory
[06:06] <spasticteapot> I know.
[06:06] <somerville32> spasticteapot, under the .themes directory
[06:06] <keb> of course making shared files needs root access, you want all your users to trust them
[06:06] <spasticteapot> I needed root access to edit /usr/share/themes. Which I don't actually need to.
[06:12] <spasticteapot> D'oh!
[06:13] <spasticteapot> I don't think I have a .themes directory.
[06:14] <spasticteapot> .list
[06:33] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[06:33] <cellofellow> hi
[06:33] <spasticteapot> Anyone else here celebrating the fact that we have all the shiny factor of WinXP....with 1/4 the hardware resources used, and 0% of the pricetag?
[06:33] <spasticteapot> I am!
[06:34] <spasticteapot> I actually had someone impressedly ask me "Is that vista?" today.
[06:34] <cellofellow> Yay! Linux just rules!
[06:34] <cellofellow> You have any transparency stuff?
[06:35] <spasticteapot> Nope.
[06:35] <spasticteapot> I'm working on Murrine.
[06:35] <cellofellow> Then he wasn't a real geek. :)
[06:35] <cellofellow> Murrine is so cool.
[06:36] <spasticteapot> Yah.
[06:36] <spasticteapot> I wish that they could cut down on Xubuntu's ram usage a bit for laptops.
[06:36] <spasticteapot> Battery management and ACPI hoover up a good bit of RAM.
[06:36] <spasticteapot> Why? I dunno.
[06:36] <spasticteapot> Runs blazing fast on desktops with low RAM, though, and the Thinkpad compatibility is BETTER than windows!
[06:37] <cellofellow> You've also probably got shared memory video
[06:37] <spasticteapot> Yep.
[06:37] <spasticteapot> IBM X40.
[06:37] <spasticteapot> 1ghz Pentium-M.
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Under Windoze, it's a bit slow...under Linux, it's zippy!
[06:38] <cellofellow> Intel Integrated Graphics?
[06:38] <spasticteapot> The nipple-mouse support is wonky, though.
[06:38] <cellofellow> :) I like zippy
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Yep.
[06:38] <keb> X40 wow that is a ultra small ibm isnt it?
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Teh suxxorz.
[06:38] <spasticteapot> 2.7 lbs.
[06:38] <spasticteapot> Best laptop EVAR.
[06:38] <cellofellow> I hate those nipple mouse things anyways.
[06:39] <spasticteapot> I've owned quite a few - I'd reccomend nothing but an Asus  (including MacBook) or Lenovo.
[06:39] <spasticteapot> Old-school "IBMs" are often even better still.
[06:39] <spasticteapot> (I heard from some that the new Lenovos are'nt quite the same - but they seem to work just fine.)
[06:39] <spasticteapot> As an added bonus, they last 'till kingdom come, so used ones are always on the market.
[06:40] <keb> except for the nipple mice ;)
[06:40] <spasticteapot> Eh.
[06:40] <spasticteapot> They're good for word processing.
[06:40] <spasticteapot> Which is what I bought this for.
[06:41] <spasticteapot> I'm getting a spiffy new gaming box soon - I'm waiting for a killer deal on a 7900GS or the like.
[06:41] <cellofellow> I do a lot less word processing than I ought to.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> I am a student.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> A notebook that is smaller than an actual notebook is a huge asset.
[06:42] <cellofellow> me too, just not a traditional student. Homeschool.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> My backpack is much, much smaller than many others'.
[06:42] <cellofellow> And I've written very little lately, 'cept the con con.
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Eh...homeschool has its disadvantages.
[06:43] <cellofellow> like having to be so self-motivated.
[06:43] <cellofellow> which is an advantage too.
[06:43] <spasticteapot> For example, you don't learn how to deal with people constantly trying to intimidate you, and bad food.
[06:44] <cellofellow> So? I got to deal with about 45 people last week, we were all trying to write a constitution for iraq. Who says homeschoolers have no social life.  Both happened within 20 minutes of each other in the 8th grade.
[06:45] <cellofellow> was gonna stage a coup.
[06:45] <spasticteapot> Both kids got 45 minutes detention.
[06:45] <spasticteapot> The same day, a few kids started a food fight in the cafeteria.
[06:45] <spasticteapot> 2 days in-school suspension for them.
[06:45] <spasticteapot> Guess where the administrators' priorities lie?
[06:46] <spasticteapot> As a side note, I still live up the street from an awesome mexican restuarant.
[06:46] <cellofellow> did you notice I said some people brought about a dozen GUNS to the convention?
[06:46] <spasticteapot> Once, when I was getting breakfast with my folks, I walked by both the principal and my science teacher, both looking rather...dishevled... having margharitas and burritos for breakfast.
[06:46] <spasticteapot> Yes, I heard you. This is par for the course in many areas.
[06:47] <keb> did they fire the guns, like real iraqi celebrants
[06:47] <keb> getting offtopic here btw ;)
[06:47] <cellofellow> afterwards, yes. Airsoft guns actually.
[06:47] <cellofellow> k
[06:47] <spasticteapot> To finish the story...I walked up to them with my biggest sh17-eating grin, and said "hello!" in a cheery voice.
[06:47] <spasticteapot> They looked like they wanted to jump through the window.
[06:48] <keb> hehe
[06:48] <spasticteapot> Then there's the story with the rabbi and the hovercraft...but that's unrelated.
[06:48] <spasticteapot> I have a highly surreal life.
[06:51] <keb> glad to hear xubuntu is contributing :D
[08:38] <spasticteapot> Hello again!
[08:38] <spasticteapot> Can anyone reccomend some neat-0 apps to download?
[08:39] <spasticteapot> Murrine seems to have actually sped up my system, which is nice.
[08:39] <spasticteapot> I've got Abiword, Gspeakers, Firefox, and Amarok - what else should I try?
[09:27] <darrend> what mailer does xubuntu use by default to transport the output from cron jobs?
[09:48] <cochon> can you send a diff link?
[11:06] <Timerever> crap!
[11:06] <Timerever> my GTK fonts are suddenly too small
[11:07] <Timerever> but the XFCE settings are fine
[11:07] <Timerever> what gives?
[11:07] <cochon> gtk font settings?
[11:07] <cochon> try that gtk2 theme switcher or somethin
[11:07] <Timerever> where?
[11:07] <cochon> dunno
[11:07] <cochon> :D
[11:07] <cochon> I think it might be in the wiki or ubuntuforums
[11:09] <TheSheep> Timerever: add 'Xft.dpi:96' to your ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb
[11:09] <Timerever> :'( I didn't needed that yesterday
[11:09] <Timerever> it worked just fine
[11:10] <Timerever> and the worthless startup splash scren is still out of frequency dispite being at 1024x768
[11:11] <Timerever> >_> have I downloaded an alpha test version by mistake or what?
[11:12] <Timerever> I've also changed the resolution order in xorg.conf so that GDM works at 1024x768
[11:12] <Timerever> and it does
[11:12] <Timerever> but the internal resolution is highger so the screen scrolls whenever I put the mouse cursor near the edge of the screen
[11:12] <Timerever> >_<
[11:13] <Timerever> oh yeah and it's GTK only the font problems
[11:13] <Timerever> Opera and Qt fon'ts are just fine
[11:21] <Timerever> isn't there supposed to be a .gtkrc somewhere around here?
[11:21] <Timerever> ls -a  shows nothing
[11:23] <Timerever> brb
[11:27] <Timerever> no luck
[11:27] <Timerever> gonna ask in the main ubuntu forum
[11:27] <Timerever> channel i mean
[11:31] <DarthLappy> Timerever: It should be in user interface settings, under font.
[11:33] <Timerever> yep
[11:33] <Timerever> but only changes the XFCE fonts
[11:33] <Timerever> the rest is still tiny
[11:33] <Timerever> :-S
[11:33] <Timerever> like Gaim right now
[11:34] <grazie> Timerever: tiny font problem?
[11:34] <Timerever> yep
[11:34] <Timerever> it's tiny
[11:34] <Timerever> and my vision ain't great :'(
[11:34] <grazie> nvidia card with none free driver?
[11:35] <Timerever> er....
[11:35] <Timerever> using the nvidia drivers from the packages
[11:35] <Timerever> that synaptic
[11:35] <Timerever> thing
[11:36] <Timerever> but this only happens when I chaged the resolution order in xorg.conf
[11:36] <grazie> had the problem and there is a fix... see I can find it...
[11:36] <Timerever> I changed
[11:36] <Timerever> Modes		"1600x1200" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[11:36] <Timerever> Modes		"1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" "1600x1200" "1280x960" "1152x864"
[11:37] <Timerever> to*
[11:37] <Timerever> just changed resolution places
[11:37] <Timerever> that makes GDM work on 1024x768
[11:38] <Timerever> maybe if I change it back it'll fix it, but then I need to config GDM to work at 1024x768 by force
[11:38] <Timerever> do you know where the GDM config is ?
[11:40] <grazie> Timerever: sorry can't find it, but sure it was ubuntu forums
[11:40] <Timerever> what the GDM fix or the font fix?
[11:40] <grazie> font size sorry
[11:40] <Timerever> and why do I need to fix this? ain't this a stable release?
[11:41] <Timerever> I swear nothing changed in the Linux land since the Mandrake 9.x days....
[11:41] <Timerever> at least Gaim now has pretty colors for the IRC nicks :-D
[11:43] <grumpymole> Timerever: i haven't followed your whole discussion, but it does sound familiar
[11:43] <grumpymole> have a look at http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-more-on-fixing-fonts-problems.html
[11:45] <Majic> Okay, problem...sorta.
[11:45] <Timerever> >_> holy crap
[11:45] <Majic> I screwed up my GNOME desktop session--the default one--I have to boot with the Failsafe version.
[11:46] <Majic> Can someone please tell me how to fix this?
[11:46] <Timerever> grumpymole:  and that's system wide, my problem is just witth GTK, Qt and Opera work fine
[11:46] <Majic> I know it has something to do with the scripts I use at startup...is there a way to copy the failsafe preferences to other sessions...or?
[11:46] <Majic> *just guessing it's the scripts it loads*
[11:47] <Majic> *Also:  I installed and uninstalled Beryl*  I didn't like it.  I think the settings I set from that screwed up the default GNOME.
[11:49] <Timerever> Modeline "1440x900" 106.50 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 903 909 934 -Hsync +Vsync?
[11:49] <Timerever> what's this modeline thing?
[11:49] <Timerever> can I use it to fix my resoltuion?
[11:50] <Timerever> like telling X to use 1024x768 by default
[11:51] <Timerever> xvidtune says:
[11:51] <Timerever> "1024x768"     94.50   1024 1072 1168 1376    768  769  772  808 +hsync +vsync
[11:51] <Timerever> can I use it to force this res?
[11:53] <Timerever> brb
[11:55] <Timerever> no luck...........
[11:55] <Timerever> at all
[11:57] <lounge> anyone know the command for the gui 'users&groups' editor?
[11:57] <Timerever> resolution:    60x60 dots per inch
[11:57] <Timerever> xdpyinfo |grep resolution
[11:57] <Timerever> oops
[11:57] <Timerever> anyway that command say that
[11:57] <Timerever> shouldn't it be 96x96?
[11:59] <Timerever> brb
[12:00] <Timerever> fooking hell
[12:00] <Timerever> that's it
[12:01] <cochon> what?
[12:01] <Timerever> Go to
[12:01] <Timerever> mousepad ~/.config/xfce4/Xft.xrdb
[12:01] <Timerever> And paste in the last line:
[12:01] <Timerever> Xft.dpi: 96
[12:01] <Timerever> (always leave a emty line)
[12:01] <cochon> aha
[12:01] <Timerever> and the fonts will be fine again....
[12:01] <Timerever> cough beta XFCE version
[12:01] <Timerever> cough
[12:01] <Timerever> :-P
[12:01] <Timerever> changes nothing in Qt/Opera
[12:02] <Timerever> maybe they are imune to nonsense config files
[12:02] <Timerever> :-D
[12:02] <Timerever> brb
[12:04] <Timerever> but I still have to fix the GDM and the startup screen
[12:04] <Timerever> the startup goes first
[12:05] <Timerever> no matter what I put on /etc/usplash.conf the startup screen is always out of frequency
[12:05] <Timerever> but not the shutdown
[12:05] <Timerever> that mean Grub is does crap again
[12:05] <Timerever> that's the only explanation no?
[12:06] <Timerever> anyonw knows where the grub config?
[12:08] <grumpymole> Timerever: the Xft.dpi is only part of it
[12:09] <Timerever> maybe but it fixed evertyhing wrong here
[12:09] <grumpymole> then you need to calculate based on your screen res and convert to  new values for your xorg.conf
[12:09] <Timerever> know here the grub hides it's resoltuion settings
[12:10] <Timerever> no need man, it's fine as it is now
[12:10] <grumpymole> k
[12:10] <Timerever> messing with these config files just brings trouble
[12:10] <Timerever> but I need to fix the startup screen
[12:11] <Timerever> whenever I startup I get an out of frequency error from my monitor
[12:11] <Timerever> Grub (i think) is trying to startup at 1600x1200
[12:11] <Timerever> ... just because I said my monitor can do that res it doesn't mean I want it all the time
[12:12] <Timerever> someone what ubuntu dev should learn that you always use the lowest resoltuion possible and then work up from there
[12:12] <shiningwizard> hi, can i know if it's possible to install edubuntu's packages on xubuntu?
[12:13] <shiningwizard> is it the same as using apt-get?
[12:13] <Timerever> my usplash.conf says:
[12:13] <Timerever> # Usplash configuration file
[12:13] <Timerever> xres=640
[12:13] <Timerever> yres=480
[12:13] <TheSheep> shiningwizard: you can just use synaptic
[12:14] <shiningwizard> i see. thanks!
[12:14] <shiningwizard> anyway, would trying to install the desktop edition on a ram-challenged laptop work? or would it fail?
[12:14] <TheSheep> Timerever: yeah, teach those devs a lesson! next time they will think twice before doing anything for free!
[12:14] <Timerever> damn stright!!!
[12:15] <TheSheep> shiningwizard: how much challenged?
[12:15] <grumpymole> Timerever: do you have a DisplaySize setting in your Monitor section of xorg.conf?
[12:16] <shiningwizard> erm, say 96mb?
[12:16] <TheSheep> shiningwizard: should work if you use the alternate cd to install
[12:16] <Timerever> grumpymole: no
[12:16] <shiningwizard> i tried installing ubuntu but it didn't work... had some problem with gnome whatever
[12:17] <shiningwizard> yah, came home to download the alt ver of xubuntu.
[12:18] <grumpymole> Timerever: it  might be worth trying that.  as per the instructions that came out on the mailing list.  in the link i posted earlier
[12:18] <grumpymole> Timerever: my uername est in gdm was very small, but once i made the changes, it all came back into sync.
[12:18] <Timerever> this: DisplaySize 381 238.125?
[12:19] <grumpymole> yip, but you need to calculate for your res.  what is the res of your screen? 1024x768?
[12:19] <shiningwizard> anyways, is there any guide to installing with the alt ver? i'm new to installing linux systems
[12:19] <Timerever> yes
[12:20] <Timerever> shiningwizard: I dunno but be sure to note your Linux partition device name
[12:20] <Timerever> like /dev/hda4
[12:20] <Timerever> because the install later asks for it
[12:21] <shiningwizard> i see. thanks.
[12:21] <Timerever> but gives no help to select the right one
[12:21] <shiningwizard> anyway, is alt install graphical or command lined?
[12:21] <Timerever> text like graphics
[12:21] <Timerever> or graphics like text?
[12:22] <Timerever> one of them
[12:22] <grumpymole> Timerever: my laptop is 1024x768 and i have DisplaySize    270.93 203.2
[12:22] <shiningwizard> sounds kinda weird. thanks
[12:22] <Timerever> shiningwizard: it sure does.. I think it's to save RAM
[12:22] <grumpymole> Timerever: the other values you quoted were for 1440x900 in the example
[12:23] <Timerever> ok.
[12:23] <grumpymole> Timerever: good luc
[12:23] <Timerever> thanks :-P
[12:23] <grumpymole> bl&*%y keyboard is dying on me
[12:23] <grumpymole> cheers
[12:24] <Timerever> O_o
[12:24] <shiningwizard> i really want to try and install linux. tried ubuntu desktop disk, dsl. somehow they didn't work.
[12:28] <Timerever> BTW
[12:28] <Timerever> does anyone know how to activate the composite things?
[12:30] <Timerever> found  it
[12:34] <tom47> quick question how do you rearrange items on desktop please
[12:39] <Timerever> no luck
[12:39] <Timerever> anyone here with the composite extensions on?
[12:42] <Timerever> i don't have the xcompmgr command here
[12:42] <Timerever> does this mean no composite?
[12:44] <mm_> hi, I'm searching for some pop up program that will show an dialog (preferrably very annoying as it will be used for alerts)
[01:16] <Timerever> i think the XFCE in edgy may have been compiled without compositor support, anyone knows this?
[01:22] <grazie> Timerever: compositor is supported, it's just not set up by default
[01:22] <grazie> bbl
[01:29] <Timerever> meh... anyone else knows how to activate the composite in XFCE?
[01:30] <crimsun> Timerever: no, it's compiled _with_ compositor support.
[01:31] <crimsun> I enabled that option back in Breezy.
[01:31] <Timerever> 'k how do i make the composite tab appear
[01:32] <crimsun> have you changed something in the Window Manager Tweaks settings and saved?
[01:33] <Timerever> yes
[01:33] <Timerever> to create a wmtweaks.xml
[01:33] <Timerever> and then <option name="Xfwm/UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"/>
[01:33] <Timerever> isn't it?
[01:33] <Timerever> didn't work, unless I have to restart XFCE?
[01:34] <Timerever> crimsun: or something else
[01:34] <Timerever> brb
[01:36] <Timerever> had to restart
[01:36] <Timerever> 'k
[01:36] <Timerever> bbl
[01:58] <grazie> grumpymole: useful blog you've set up there :)
[02:35] <grnwood> anyone running xubuntu on dual head?
[03:23] <totalwormage> upgrading to xfce4.4 *^_^*
[03:23] <cochon> bobjob
[03:33] <mats> my xfcemanu removes itself and i have to addit back to the panel.. why the heck is that happening?
[03:36] <blizz> is it possible to create shortcuts on the desktop to folders like /var/www?
[03:47] <jaycie-away> hi.. i'm new to unbuntu and linux.. how can i find the version of my ubunutu that is installed on my p/c?
[04:44] <TheSheep> what can I use to play .ape files?
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> Jungle
[04:46] <Commander-Crowe> :P
[04:47] <alnokta> :)
[04:47] <alnokta> TheSheep, tried mplayer?
[04:48] <alnokta> this thing plays anything i open it
[04:48] <TheSheep> good idea
[04:48] <TheSheep> nope, just static :/
[04:52] <alnokta> probably you will need to play with apt-get
[04:52] <alnokta> to get the codec
[04:59] <blizz> do i _have_ to compile the kqemu-sources myself?
[06:08] <hyper_ch> !gpt
[06:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gpt - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:11] <Commander-Crowe> !apt
[06:11] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:17] <respectful> guys xubuntu is good for my laptop, it has software to tell me about battery life?
[06:20] <TheSheep> respectful: I think there is a panel plugin
[06:21] <TheSheep> respectful: right-click on the panel, select 'add new item' and look for a battery in the list
[06:23] <respectful> not yet installed
[06:23] <respectful> where can i check out the xubuntu packages?
[06:25] <TheSheep> respectful: you mean http://packages.ubuntu.com?
[06:25] <TheSheep> respectful: they are all in the ubuntu repository
[06:28] <mark487> on xubuntu install, is root's password set to some default?
[06:29] <TheSheep> mark487: no, it's disabled
[06:29] <TheSheep> !root
[06:29] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:32] <mark487> thanks.         disabled?  to try to keep people from irreparably messing up the system?
[06:33] <TheSheep> mark487: somethng like that
[06:35] <mark487> i'm just trying to mount my other HD, but found "mount: only root can do that"
[06:35] <TheSheep> mark487: add 'sudo' before the command
[06:35] <mark487> thanks for the info, all.  i'll check the info at that link.
[06:36] <mark487> ahhhh, thanks.
[06:38] <michaelp1> is feisty fawn stable enough to install?
[06:38] <michaelp1> use?
[06:47] <mark487> errr, it looked like my other hd mounted ok, but trying to open it in thunar yields, "failed to open [diskname] . permission denied".  any help?
[06:53] <mark487> i thought my other hd was at /dev/hda1 .   dumbQ -- how can i tell where my other drive(s) are?  /etc/fstab only lists /dev/hdb (which is mounted at root, this os)
[07:09] <zOap> how do I insert values from Showkeys into keyboard shortcuts in xubuntu dapper? The reason I'm asking is that the shortcut for my "internet" and "email" buttons show as empty when I press them in the keyboard shortcut app..
[07:29] <zOap> how can I get my "internet" button to work in xubuntu dapper? /Settings/Keyboard shows the shortcut as nothing after I press that in the shortcut dialogue... But I know X accepts the button, since I get values in Showkeys...
[07:30] <maxamillion> zOap: i can't say i am familiar with an "internet" button ... i know what you are talking about, just not sure how to make it function like that
[07:31] <TheSheep> !shortcuts | zOap
[07:31] <ubotu> zOap: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[08:41] <zOap> TheSheep, thanks:)
[08:58] <hyper_ch> !apt
[08:58] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:02] <TheSheep> !botabuse | hyper_ch
[09:02] <ubotu> hyper_ch: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:03] <Jowi> hi all. where is thunars trash directory located? I have some files in it I do not have permission to permanently delete. and I do want to delete them, not restore them.
[09:04] <TheSheep> Jowi: just run 'sudo Thunar'
[09:04] <maxamillion> gksudo ;)
[09:04] <TheSheep> Jowi: then empty the trash
[09:04] <grazie> doesn't look like xchat supports multiple network connections. is that right?
[09:05] <Jowi> TheSheep, that will not help me locate the trash directory for a user.
[09:05] <Jowi> TheSheep, they are not in the same location
[09:05] <Jowi> and it is not in /home/user/.Trash
[09:05] <crimsun> maxamillion: gksu ;)
[09:05] <TheSheep> Jowi: ~/.local/share/trash
[09:05] <TheSheep> or ~/.Trash
[09:05] <Jowi> TheSheep, thanks. got it.
[09:06] <maxamillion> !gksudo
[09:06] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application>
[09:06] <maxamillion> crimsun: ;)
[09:06] <Jowi> no, as I said ~/.Trash is not it. it was in the .local one.
[09:08] <Jowi> further more. I'm using thunar with Beryl (stand alone) and I am not able to drag'n'drop in Thunar. not from thunar -> thunar and neither withing thunar itself (ex from file list to the tree). anyone know why this is?
[09:11] <Jowi> I can select file, right-click, copy. then select folder, right-click, paste. but no drag'n'drop....
[09:13] <Jowi> will see if drag'n'drop work in other DE. brb
[09:24] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: why did you say I abuse the bot?
[09:25] <Jowi> found the prob with drag'n'drop. dbus was <defunct> and nothing I did helped. I couldn't log into any DE (xorg crashed even and dbus could not be killed). it was time for my weekly reboot anyway. now it works.
[09:26] <Jowi> anyway, thanks for the help with locating trash dir :)
[09:27] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you're asking it for the same thing again and again. If you just want the link, then /msg it
[09:28] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, there hasn't been any activity in here for over 90min before I did query the bot
[09:29] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: please use /msg :)
[09:29] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: unless it's something to show others
[09:31] <hyper_ch> :(
[10:17] <Maximilian1st> Hi good folks :-)
[10:18] <Maximilian1st> Does anyone know what it means when making the madwifi driver from svn and it complains about ath_hal.ko being GPL only?
[10:51] <Maximilian1st> hey maxamillion :-)
[10:51] <maxamillion> hello
[10:52] <Maximilian1st> How are you?
[10:52] <maxamillion> good good ... about to head up a devel meeting :)
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> great :-)
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> about linux apps?
[10:53] <maxamillion> about the Xubuntu distribution :)
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> EVEN GREATER
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[10:53] <Maximilian1st> I just pulled the new kernel from the repository
[10:54] <Maximilian1st> This is ggod news :-)
[10:54] <Maximilian1st> good
[10:56] <Maximilian1st> Tell them to add in the xubuntu doc where a user could tweak the session shutdown menu so it defaults to, say... shutdown and not hibernate.
[10:57] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: i will throw the suggestion out there
[10:57] <Maximilian1st> Just a thought I had today while shutting down.
[10:58] <maxamillion> fair enough
[10:59] <maxamillion> we might have more pressing matters to work on, but i believe there will be time that it would be on topic
[11:00] <Jester45> how can i use 2 ethernet cards on one machine?
[11:00] <maxamillion> Jester45: yeah .... you have use 20 if you have a board that will support it
[11:01] <Maximilian1st> by assigning them a different IP?!
[11:01] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: lol, theoretically it would be done for a server that has something connect to it on one interface and it would connect to something else through the other
[11:02] <Maximilian1st> like a wan
[11:02] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: right .... like a gateway server or something
[11:02] <vidd_laptop> maxamillion, where is the meeting?
[11:03] <maxamillion> vidd_laptop: #ubuntu-meeting
[11:03] <Maximilian1st> vidd_laptop, It's in the backyard with fresh lemonade and cookies... :-)
[11:04] <Jester45> maxamillion: so how would one go about telling xubuntu what to use?
[11:05] <maxamillion> Jester45: -devel mailing lists, this (and other) meetings
[11:05] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: you can join the meeting if you would like ... its open to the community
[11:05] <Maximilian1st> ok, I will.
[11:05] <Maximilian1st> Still, it's late here, 23h00
[11:06] <RUBiksCUbe> hi
[11:07] <maxamillion> RUBiksCUbe: hello
[11:07] <RUBiksCUbe> can you help me with something? i'm a total linux noob
[11:08] <Jester45> i will try
[11:08] <Jester45> maxamillion: you can stay to the meeting
[11:09] <RUBiksCUbe> alright thanks. when i try to open up my network settings the cursor changes to the "thinking" cursor for a while, then back to normal and the network settings window never opens
[11:09] <Jester45> any error ?
[11:09] <RUBiksCUbe> no
[11:09] <RUBiksCUbe> when i log in i get an error though...
[11:09] <Jester45> try gksu network-admin
[11:10] <Jester45> in a Terminal
[11:10] <RUBiksCUbe> saying (cant remember it now) that my computer cant find a lookup to the internet(?) and i should add it in etc\hosts
[11:10] <RUBiksCUbe> ok
[11:10] <maxamillion> Jester45: thanks
[11:10] <Jester45> np
[11:10] <Jester45> what kind of connection
[11:11] <RUBiksCUbe> i'm using a network card in a pcmcia slot
[11:11] <RUBiksCUbe> in terminal i get this error: unable to lookup PaperClip via gethostbyname()
[11:11] <RUBiksCUbe> my comp is paperclip
[11:14] <Jester45> try
[11:14] <Jester45> mousepad /etc/host
[11:14] <Jester45> and tell me whats in ther
[11:14] <RUBiksCUbe> ok
[11:16] <RUBiksCUbe> i dont have a host dir in etc/
[11:16] <RUBiksCUbe> it doesn't exist
[11:16] <Jester45> try making one
[11:16] <Jester45> mousepad /etc/host.conf
[11:16] <Jester45> o
[11:17] <Jester45> you- need to gksu that
[11:17] <Jester45> then paste
[11:17] <Jester45> thorder hosts,bind
[11:17] <Jester45> multi on
[11:17] <Jester45> in there
[11:17] <Jester45> then save
[11:17] <RUBiksCUbe> ok, in mousepad right?
[11:18] <Jester45> yes
[11:18] <Jester45> or any other editor you like
[11:18] <RUBiksCUbe> ah, i found host.conf
[11:18] <RUBiksCUbe> but no host dir
[11:18] <RUBiksCUbe> host.conf has what you told me to write already in it
[11:18] <RUBiksCUbe> order hosts,bind
[11:18] <RUBiksCUbe> multi on
[11:18] <Jester45> ok
[11:18] <Jester45> you should have a host dir
[11:19] <RUBiksCUbe> i'll check again
[11:19] <Jester45> oops
[11:19] <RUBiksCUbe> no, i don't
[11:19] <Jester45> you shouldnt*
[11:20] <Jester45> a few key letters :)
[11:20] <RUBiksCUbe> ah
[11:20] <Jester45> what about the file hosts
[11:20] <Jester45> little under host.conf
[11:21] <RUBiksCUbe> it has this in it:
[11:22] <RUBiksCUbe> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[11:22] <RUBiksCUbe> nothing more
[11:22] <Jester45> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[11:22] <Jester45> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[11:22] <Jester45> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[11:22] <Jester45> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[11:22] <Jester45> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[11:22] <Jester45> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[11:22] <Jester45> paste that in
[11:23] <RUBiksCUbe> alright. i can't save it. it says can't open file for writing
[11:25] <itaca> hola
[11:26] <RUBiksCUbe> hi
[11:27] <Jester45> RUBiksCUbe: you need to open the file with root
[11:27] <Jester45> in a terminal type
[11:27] <Jester45> gksu mousepad /etc/hosts
[11:28] <RUBiksCUbe> it says: sudo: unable to lookup PaperClip via gethostb yname()
[11:30] <Jester45> you might have to restart yor computer the old conf might still be in your cahce and i dont know where its stored at to remove it
[11:30] <RUBiksCUbe> ok, i'll brb
[11:34] <RUBiksCUbe> alright, back
[11:34] <RUBiksCUbe> the error when logging in is that it cannot look up an internet address for my computer and i should add PaperClip to the host file in etc/
[11:35] <RUBiksCUbe> still have the same error in terminal...maybe i'll just reinstall
[11:35] <LordGamer> Anyone know where there are numbers for Mircrosoft vs Linux Marketshare?
[11:39] <Jester45> LordGamer: for what platform? desktop MS is winning by a lot but server *nix is much higher
[11:42] <RUBiksCUbe> alright, i've made my computer forget itself. woot. i'm going to format and reinstall lol.
[11:42] <RUBiksCUbe> thanks for your time jester
[11:43] <mark487> q: if /etc/fstab lists mounted devices/partitions (i'm running offa hdb1, hdb2 is swap, ...), and my extra hd doesn't appear there, i'm guessing my extra hd is hda, but can I find it listed somwhere?
[11:44] <Jester45> depends on where its at on th ecable
[11:44] <Jester45> the cable*
[11:44] <maxamillion> mark487: Applications->System->GNOME Partition Editor ... that should show it and what name it is referred to as and will show what file system, so you can then edit you /etc/fstab accordingly
[11:45] <Jester45> :( maxamillion get back to meeting
[11:45] <maxamillion> Jester45: its just vid.d and i talking about feisty features right now :/
[11:46] <LNX3mpyr> hi
[11:46] <LNX3mpyr> what's the program to set the printer?
[11:46] <LNX3mpyr> I can't find the damn thing
[11:46] <LNX3mpyr> dmesg reports the printer to connected
[11:47] <maxamillion> Applications->Settings->Printing
[11:47] <LNX3mpyr> the only way I was able to set it up is trhough THE GIMP
[11:47] <vidd_laptop> LNX3mpyr, what are you tryiong to print from?
[11:47] <LNX3mpyr> Prinintg show nothing
[11:47] <LNX3mpyr> words
[11:47] <LNX3mpyr> sentences
[11:47] <LNX3mpyr> paragraphs
[11:47] <vidd_laptop> if you are trying to print from mousepad, you need to install a2ps
[11:48] <mark487> Jester45: thanks, so for 2 hd's on the same ide controller, the master is hda and the slave is hdb?
[11:48] <maxamillion> mark487: yes
[11:48] <LNX3mpyr> from a mousepad? This is a regular laptop connected to a regular Epson printer
[11:48] <mark487> thx max
[11:48] <vidd_laptop> mousepad=default text editor
[11:48] <maxamillion> LNX3mpyr: mousepad is the name of the default text editor in Xubuntu
[11:49] <LNX3mpyr> no, I am trying print from Abiword
[11:49] <maxamillion> LNX3mpyr: its just a program found at Applications->Accessories
[11:49] <LNX3mpyr> I wanna use Abiword
[11:50] <maxamillion> i know, i was just letting you know
[11:50] <LNX3mpyr> I can't see any dialog for the printer
[11:50] <maxamillion> what mousepad is and where to find it*
[11:50] <LNX3mpyr> I've search everywhere like crazy
[11:51] <LNX3mpyr> how will a text editor fix my printer?
[11:51] <LNX3mpyr> if I wanna use Abiword
[11:52] <maxamillion> LNX3mpyr: it won't ... you just mentioned mousepad as though you didn't know what it was, i was just trying to inform you... i appologize if i confused
[11:52] <LNX3mpyr> with Ubuntu works outta the box
[11:53] <mark487> max: thx on gnome partition editor: i know that's available when booting live from cd, but ever since i've been running xubuntu from hd, i haven't see it listed under apps -> system.  Know if it gets installed w/xubuntu to hd?
[11:53] <maxamillion> LNX3mpyr: yeah ...the Gnome printer config is still a little more advanced but is really resource heavy so it isn't used in Xubuntu
[11:54] <maxamillion> mark487: it is on mine ... i might have installed it a long time ago for one reason or another but if you would like to install it from the repositories just do "sudo aptitude install gparted" (in the terminal without the quotes)
[11:56] <mark487> thx max.  i wonder it the GPE is available via "appliciations -> add/remove". hmmmmm.......
[11:56] <RUBiksCUbe> yo im back
[11:57] <RUBiksCUbe> can anyone tell me what is originally in the host file in etc/?
[11:58] <Jester45> RUBiksCUbe: does the internet work on a live cd? you co-uld copy that one
[11:58] <maxamillion> RUBiksCUbe: mine is a tad modified or else i would pastebin mine for you :/
[11:59] <RUBiksCUbe> ah
[11:59] <Jester45> RUBiksCUbe: make sure you changing hte right noe
[11:59] <RUBiksCUbe> jester, you posted it a while ago, i lost it though
[11:59] <Jester45> host.conf or hosts
[11:59] <RUBiksCUbe> hosts
[12:00] <Jester45> : ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[12:00] <Jester45> (04:22:31 PM) Jester45: fe00::0 ip6-localnetff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[12:00] <Jester45> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[12:00] <Jester45>  ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[12:00] <Jester45>  ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[12:00] <Jester45> paste that in
[12:00] <Jester45> oops
[12:00] <Jester45> gumbled the lines a bit
[12:00] <RUBiksCUbe> ah, i got it
[12:00] <RUBiksCUbe> thanks
[12:00] <Jester45> the first line is fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[12:00] <DrX0> how do you create a recovery disk that can recover you if your partition table and boot and maybe system files are damaged?
[12:01] <Jester45> such things happen?
[12:01] <maxamillion> DrX0: keep a livecd handy .... only solution i know of
[12:01] <Jester45> DrX0: take a hd and dd the whole thing?
[12:02] <RUBiksCUbe> ok so it should look like this: fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[12:02] <RUBiksCUbe> fe00::0 ip6-localnetff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[12:02] <RUBiksCUbe> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[12:02] <RUBiksCUbe> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[12:02] <RUBiksCUbe> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[12:02] <DrX0> the whole drive?
[12:02] <DrX0> can a live CD recover a corrupted partition table with LVM partitions?
[12:03] <Jester45> syes
[12:03] <maxamillion> DrX0: sure can
[12:03] <Jester45> boot to the live cd mount the drive edit the table save and done
[12:03] <maxamillion> DrX0: or worse case scenario it can get the data off the drive so you can reformat or buy a new hdd
[12:03] <DrX0> I ran the recovery install and it told me that I had to enter the partition table for the LVM partitions.
[12:03] <DrX0> (manually)
[12:04] <maxamillion> DrX0: you don't do recovery install, you just boot the live cd and mount the hard drive ... manipulate how you need to and go on with life
[12:04] <Jester45> would anyone like to explain why my ethernet card has a serial port?
[12:04] <maxamillion> no
[12:04] <maxamillion> :P
[12:04] <DrX0> but if Linux says the partition table entry for the LVM partition holding the data is invalid, how can live CD mount it?
[12:04] <maxamillion> Jester45: i have no clue ... i think it has something to do with legacy hardware
[12:05] <Jester45> you tell the livecd how to mount
[12:05] <maxamillion> DrX0: you edit the livecd's /etc/fstab and just force it ... if you are more stubborn than the software, you will normally win
[12:06] <DrX0> but won't the live cd report the partition table is bad and fail to mount the lvm volume I want?
[12:06] <Jester45> oo
[12:06] <Jester45> you mean the idex on the the disc?
[12:06] <Jester45> that tells linux how big the partion is and stuff like that
[12:07] <DrX0> you know when you setup an LVM partition it tells you the cluster size and asks for the starting and ending block number?  that 411
[12:07] <DrX0> yes
[12:07] <maxamillion> ooohhhhh
[12:07] <DrX0> it won't mount because it says that 411 is bad/missing
[12:07] <maxamillion> yeah, that's outside my scope of LVM knowledge
[12:07] <DrX0> (Windows installer may have wiped it)
[12:08] <DrX0> if I carefully reparition the drive using the exact parameters as I did originally and tell it not to format the partition, would that maybe put it back?
[12:08] <DrX0> or, is there some other way?
[12:08] <DrX0> actually, I never knew the start/end block numbers, only the size in GB of each paritition
[12:09] <Jester45> guess?
[12:09] <DrX0> Is there a utility that will go out and look at the disk and figure it out?
[12:09] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, Have a good afternoon, I'm going for a good night. CU
[12:09] <Jester45> gparted maybe
[12:09] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: laters
[12:09] <DrX0> I'm pretty hosed, huh?
[12:10] <maxamillion> DrX0: not necesarily ... gparted, like Jester45 said, might be able to help
[12:10] <Jester45> freash install would work
[12:10] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[12:10] <maxamillion> hi
[12:10] <Jester45> hola
[12:10] <spasticteapot> Can anyone here reccomend a good wireless configuration program?
[12:10] <DrX0> gparted failed:  it said it could'nt determine the parameters and asked me to manually enter them
[12:10] <Jester45> ndswrapper
[12:10] <spasticteapot> Wifi radar won't work - it just sucks up RAM.
[12:10] <spasticteapot> I have native support. (WOOT!)
[12:10] <Jester45> umm
[12:10] <Jester45> network-admin
[12:11] <spasticteapot> It won't show local SSIDs.
[12:11] <Jester45> idk
[12:11] <Jester45> ethernet is faster and easier
[12:12] <maxamillion> spasticteapot: in ther terminal type "sudo iwlist scan"
[12:12] <Jester45> brb see if this old card works native
[12:12] <DrX0> is there an utility that will make a bootable recovery CD that will store a copy of the partition table and put it back in the event it gets damaged?
[12:12] <Jester45> DrX0: google it
[12:13] <maxamillion> DrX0: ultimatebootcd.com
[12:14] <DrX0> works with LVM parititions?
[12:16] <maxamillion> DrX0: works with everything ... just be sure to get the one that has "Insert" its a live linux that is geared towards disaster recovery
[12:17] <RUBiksCUbe> alright, i'm back in buisness! thanks all!
[12:18] <DrX0> do you think it can recover a bad partition table automatically?
[12:18] <spastic_teapot> DrX0: no idea.
[12:18] <DrX0> it also says you may need to customize the boot cd...
[12:18] <maxamillion> DrX0: it might ... and if it can, it would be worth the time spent investigating, yes?
[12:19] <maxamillion> DrX0: no clue
[12:19] <DrX0> oh, yes, I'm going to get it for sure... why not?  I'm already hosed.
[12:19] <DrX0> thanks for the tip
[12:19] <maxamillion> np :)
[12:20] <Blacktooth> Is there a preferred VNC package for Xubuntu? I installed tightvncserver, but when I log in from my XP box, the terminal window I get there will not show any text....I can execute commands fine, I just can't see the input or the output
[12:21] <cheatersrealm> what's a good ftp/scp program for gui?
[12:22] <maxamillion> Blacktooth: no clue, i don't generally mess with VNC but i think i might have a link that can help ... just a min.
[12:22] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: gftp
[12:22] <cheatersrealm> does it pull in a bunch of dependencies? *checks*
[12:22] <Blacktooth> Thanks max
[12:22] <cheatersrealm> maxamillion: thanks! (it pulled in just a few)
[12:23] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: yeah, just a couple and its one of the nicest ftp clients around
[12:23] <Blacktooth> It is odd....just the console is messed up....I can fire up mousepad or whatever, and it works, but doing things from the prompt is impossible
[12:24] <cheatersrealm> maxamillion: yeah I used it with regular ubuntu :)
[12:24] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: ah, cool cool
[12:25] <cheatersrealm> I think I'll ditch regular ubuntu in favor of xubuntu
[12:25] <cheatersrealm> it's the same just smaller
[12:25] <cheatersrealm> and I don't really like nautilus
[12:25] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: Thunar is a breath of fresh air after using nautilus :)
[12:26] <maxamillion> Blacktooth: i'm not sure ... i don't mess with VNC ... but here is a link that shows how to set things up (its for Ubuntu, but you just have to compensate a little) http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Remote_Desktop_Sharing.2FDuplication_via_VNC
[12:26] <maxamillion> Blacktooth: wait ... sorry, wrong link
[12:27] <Blacktooth> Heh K


  I added my key to ubuntu-keyring as the wiki said  to do for customizing the install cd, yet it isn't there in the installed target... if I chroot into /target and manually install ubuntu-keyring, it's there.. it's like it's got a secret copy of the original package stashed somewhere that it's installing instead of mine
[01:29] <psusi> but of course, mine is the only one in pool/main/u/ubuntu-keyring
[02:40] <psusi> oh weird... it seems that d-i does *not* use debootstrap, but has switched to live-install, which copies a pre debootstrapped squashfs image.  hrm...
[02:40] <psusi> had to slip the updated ubuntu-keyring into the squashfs
[02:42] <psusi> can probably get back some space on the install cd by eliminating the packages from the pool that are already included in the squashfs... or maybe drop the squashfs if eatmydata can reduce the extra time deboostrap takes over the squashfs method to a minimum
[02:47] <psusi> wow... 4.5 minutes for an update-initramfs, then it turns around and does it again 10 seconds later.. that's going to have to go...
[02:49] <StevenK> psusi: It also requires initramfs size*2.5 or so in /boot
[02:50] <StevenK> Otherwise it gets very cranky
[02:54] <psusi> it looks like there is a *log* of low hanging fruit for speeding up d-i these days
[02:54] <psusi> *lot* even
[04:52] <pitti> Good morning
[04:52] <pitti> dupondje: did you upgrade initramfs-tools along?
[04:53] <pitti> dupondje: thanks for the bug, will investigate there
[04:54] <pitti> infinity: versions> because ubuntuN+1 steals actually used version numbers, and I'd have to commit all these no-change rebuilds to VCSes (some of which I can't even access)
[04:55] <pitti> infinity: for the unmodified Debian ones I went with the normal -buildN
[05:21] <pitti> dupondje, slangasek, ScottK: FYI, I followed up to bug 1154813
[05:22] <pitti> will upload the workaround again (argh for papering over unreproducible bugs)
[05:28] <slangasek> pitti: hmmmm, interestingly when I was looking at logind originally, I also ran into problems with SOCK_NONBLOCK there which I was subsequently unable to reproduce in raring
[05:28] <pitti> slangasek: I'll look at sbin/wait-for-root in the initramfs, I guess that somehow doesn't get along with a nonblocking socket
[05:28] <slangasek> (so I never applied that patch to the package)
[05:29]  * slangasek nods
[05:29] <pitti> that's the only plausible thing in the initramfs which could cause this
[05:29] <slangasek> wait-for-root isn't Ubuntu-specific though, is it?
[05:29] <pitti> I think lool hit this in udev 171
[05:29] <pitti> so I guess I can poke both dupondje and him to test a possible fix
[05:29] <slangasek> ah no, it *is* UBuntu-specific
[05:31] <pitti> ah, that sounds very likely then
[05:38] <pitti> slangasek: WDYT if I change wait-for-root to set the socket to blocking instead?
[05:38] <pitti> slangasek: that at least reduces the workaround to the one place which we know is broken, without affecting all the rest of the system
[05:39] <slangasek> pitti: well, what's the downside of making the sockets blocking everywhere?
[05:39] <slangasek> if nonblocking is the "right" answer, then we can make wait-for-root set the blocking flag for its own use; but I'm concerned about the same bug recurring in other users of libudev
[05:39] <pitti> I don't quite like this kind of diversion from upstream ABIs;
[05:40] <slangasek> if we were actually auditing the revdeps to make sure they all cope with a nonblocking socket, that would be fine with me
[05:40] <pitti> we can add it back and cement the diversion, but it doesn't happen in any other distro
[05:41] <slangasek> but having found one user that doesn't cope with nonblocking, I think there are likely to be others
[05:41] <pitti> well, adding blockign is certainly not a fix, just a reduction of the workaround
[05:41] <slangasek> "any other distro" - Debian also doesn't have libudev1
[05:41] <pitti> I'm currently staring at the code to see what it could do wrong there
[05:42] <pitti> slangasek: SOCK_NONBLOCK was introduced in udev 171, that was years ago
[05:42] <slangasek> it has libudev0 that's at the same upstream version as ours
[05:42] <slangasek> oh, you said this was an Ubuntu-specific patch to udev previously, right
[05:43] <pitti> and enen the documentation says "The monitor socket is by default set to NONBLOCK"
[05:43] <pitti> ooh, I see
[05:44] <pitti> main() just does
[05:44] <pitti>         while ((udev_device = udev_monitor_receive_device (udev_monitor)) != NULL) {
[05:44] <pitti> but the documentation says " variant of poll() on the file descriptor returned by udev_monitor_get_fd() should to be used to wake up when new devices arrive, or alternatively the file descriptor switched into blocking mode."
[05:44] <pitti> sorry, missing an "A" at the beginning
[05:44] <pitti> so switchign to blocking there is actually the right answer, as this program doesn't have to do anything else than waiting for udev events
[05:45]  * slangasek nods
[05:46] <pitti> slangasek: I'll walk through http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=udev_monitor_receive_device
[05:47] <pitti> just two pages, that's not too hard to audit
[05:47] <slangasek> fwiw I've just checked that upstart and mountall are ok
[05:47] <slangasek> lvm seems not to use it
[05:48] <slangasek> (despite using libudev)
[05:48] <pitti> usually one would call this function from an event callback, where the blocking doesn't matter, indeed
[05:48] <slangasek> so, that probably covers us as far as breaks-your-system, unbootable regressions are concerned
[05:48] <slangasek> oh, should probably check libdevmapper too
[05:48] <slangasek> ah no, that's from lvm2 source after all
[05:49] <pitti> xorg also looks good
[05:50] <pitti> pretty much everything calls that from callback handlers
[05:52] <pitti> upstart looks good
[05:52] <pitti> (ah, you already checked it)
[05:54] <pitti> dupondje: so, sorry for the trouble!
[05:54] <pitti> we should have debugged this properly back then, such things are lingering disasters
[05:56] <slangasek> pitti: debian/patches/avoid-exit-deadlock-for-dm_cookie.patch also touches libudev; have you forward-ported this one to the systemd package?
[05:57] <pitti> no, I didn't
[05:57] <pitti> *nnng* people, please forward such patches upstream
[05:58] <slangasek> I thought I remember this one being forwarded upstream at the time, despite not having the info in the patch header
[05:59] <slangasek> or, it's possible that this wasn't upstreamed because it's only used in conjunction with some difficult-to-unwind lvm2 patches which are also not upstream
[06:01]  * pitti googles "google site:spinics.net hotplug DM_COOKIE", but cannot find anything
[06:01] <pitti> ah; we have a much newer lvm2 now, are we still having these patches?
[06:01] <slangasek> yes
[06:06] <slangasek> pitti: so, the patch is still needed but despite being exported as part of libudev0, it seems that udev itself is the only consumer
[06:06] <slangasek> so we can omit that for now
[06:06] <pitti> ah, good
[06:06] <slangasek> (lvm2 relies on that functionality, but only in udevd)
[06:06] <pitti> we still need to port it once we move to current udev then
[06:06] <slangasek> yep
[06:07] <pitti> thanks for checking
[06:10] <pitti> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5612832/ , rebooting now for smoketesting
[06:12] <pitti> still boots fine
[06:20] <pitti> so, feel entitled to yell "Lennart broke my boot!" :-)
[06:22] <mlankhorst> "Lennart broke my boot!"
[07:22] <pitti> dupondje: \o/
[07:28] <pabs3> infinity: so, who else is in ubuntu-sru that I could ping for reviewing samba for precise-updates?
[07:43] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <mlankhorst> @pilot in
[08:08] <gema_> lool: will do
[08:21] <dupondje> thx pitti  :)
[08:39] <pitti> bkerensa: is xfce4-session also already ported to logind?
[09:00] <mlankhorst> @pilot out
[09:00] <mlankhorst> bbiab
[09:31] <mlankhorst> @pilot in
[10:32] <seb128> ev, hey, https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=nautilus triggers an error ... known issue?
[10:33] <mlankhorst> pitti: is it any problem if i upload new versions of packages that use libudev? xorg-server and mesa 9.0.3
[10:33] <pitti> mlankhorst: no, that's fine; please feel free to stomp over my "no-change rebuild" changelog with -b1 suffixes
[10:33] <pitti> mlankhorst: I deliberately chose those suffices to not steal the next version numbers and get out of sync with VCSes
[10:35]  * ev digs
[10:36] <mlankhorst> I hope mesa 9.0.3 won't bump wayland again
[10:37] <pitti> mlankhorst: *shrug* the more you upload the fewer TIL remain for me :-P
[10:43] <ev> seb128: just waiting for webops to roll out the fix
[10:43] <seb128> ev, thanks
[10:44] <ev> seb128: mthaddon is on it. RT 60095.
[10:44] <seb128> excellent
[10:44] <ev> now to find out why this is happening :)
[10:47] <ev> seb128: it's working now
[10:48]  * ev adds a todo item to build out https://errors.ubuntu.com/status to cover some common API calls
[10:48] <seb128> ev, indeed, works now, thanks a lot!
[10:48] <ev> seb128: sure thing. Sorry it happened in the first place :)
[11:13] <captainlinux> Let's say I have Ubuntu installed on my hdd. If I shrink the size of my hdd, create a new partition and install, for example windows 7. Will it mess up grub on that hdd?
[11:46] <mlankhorst> well if we need to rebuild libdrm anyway, might as well do a new upload
[12:22] <leex_> Hi, my ubuntu keeps on crashing and this is the relevant part of the syslog http://pastebin.com/CYFp5DKH When reporting this bug, what kind of information should I also include?
[12:23] <mlankhorst> specifically what crashes..
[12:23] <cjwatson> leex_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems I suspect
[12:24] <mlankhorst> cjwatson: you don't know what crashes, could be that nouveau line :P
[12:24] <melodie> hi
[12:25] <cjwatson> mlankhorst: True
[12:25] <leex_> mlankhorst: mplayer crashes, system freezes, can't access tty
[12:26] <leex_> that's the short story
[12:26] <leex_> I will paste the whole syslog if you want
[12:28] <melodie> I am coming with a question related to lxpanel, in a Precise install, if anybody has an idea about this (I wonder if I should post a bug report). while trying to start htop from the lxpanel menus, in an install with mainly Openbox, and Sakura as terminal, I was suprised it would not start. It works fine when started in console. then looking in the ~/.xession-errors file I saw it was searching each time for lxterminal. I just looked at the pac
[12:28] <melodie> kage page, and nowhere lxterminal is mentioned as a dependency. and I thought lxde components could be used alone and not depend on other main components... http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lxpanel
[12:28] <leex_> here is the whole syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613463/
[12:31] <leex_> so shall I just run ubuntu-bug -s audio?
[12:31] <cjwatson> well, htop is a terminal-based program; it doesn't specifically depend on lxterminal, but it needs to be run in *a* terminal.  it's probably just missing some bit of metadata in its menu file to tell the menu system to run it in a terminal
[12:31] <cjwatson> (I don't know exactly what but maybe this gives you a place to start)
[12:32] <cjwatson> ah, you say "it" was searching for lxterminal.  You might like to find out what "it" is; I bet it's not htop
[12:32] <ogra_> the .desktop file defines Terminal+yes
[12:32] <ogra_> err
[12:32] <ogra_> Terminal=yes
[12:32] <cjwatson> perhaps the panel needs a terminal installed in order to be able to start launch-in-terminal applications
[12:32] <cjwatson> which would seem likely :)
[12:33] <ogra_> though i would expect it to use the default one from the alternative
[12:33] <ogra_> does Sakura perhaps not use that ?
[12:34] <ogra_> or set it ...
[12:48] <cjohnston> does anyone know why the celt codec isn't avaiable in raring?
[12:49] <mitya57> xnox: what is dh_links? or is that a typo? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/python-pip/raring/revision/14/debian/rules
[12:50] <xnox> mitya57: probably a typo..
[12:50] <melodie> cjwatson I have done several tests with the htop.desktop file, and I can assure you I don't see the problem elsewhere than in lxpanel : when I start htop from the menus in the openbox applications menu, it starts in the console which is installed.
[12:51] <xnox> mitya57: s/links/link/
[12:51] <xnox> *sigh*
[12:51] <mitya57> xnox: will you fix that yourself or should I file a MP?
[12:51] <melodie> and the pipe menu which provides the applications right-click menu uses libmenu-cache as lxpanel does
[12:51] <melodie> so ?
[12:51] <xnox> mitya57: if you have time, please file a MP, i'll bzr bd & upload it.
[12:52] <mitya57> xnox: ok, will do now. I also think that /usr/bin/pip3 is a nice thing to have in Debian too.
[12:52] <melodie> cjwatson i tried to replace "Exec=htop" in the desktop file with :
[12:52] <mlankhorst> @pilot out
[12:52] <melodie> x-terminal-emulator htop
[12:52] <melodie> x-terminal-emulator -e htop
[12:52] <melodie> x-terminal-emulator -x htop
[12:52] <mlankhorst> -ENOTTY
[12:52] <melodie> and each time in the .xession-errors file I could see:
[12:53] <melodie> "lxterminal "x-terminal-emulator htop" : lxterminal is not installed
[12:53] <melodie> and same for the other commands
[12:53] <melodie> this is how I saw lxterminal was sought for
[12:53] <melodie> cjwatson does that seem a fair test to you ?
[12:54] <cjwatson> I don't know, sorry
[12:54] <melodie> I even tried "Exec=sakura -e 'htop'" and the .xession-errors file returned "lxterminal sakura 'htop'" : lxterminal not installed; :)
[12:54] <melodie> cjwatson thank you.
[12:54] <cjwatson> I was just making a passing comment in the hope that it might help; I can't help further
[12:55] <melodie> I'll ask the person who uploaded the package
[12:55] <melodie> cjwatson you have helped me : you suggested what I did, and I was hoping to see more but there isn't. :)
[12:55] <melodie> thank you very much.
[12:56] <melodie> I will have other questions next, but not all at one time... :)
[13:57] <mardy> seb128: hi! Raring will not get GNOME 3.8, will it?
[13:58] <xnox> mardy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-gnome-plans-review
[13:58] <xnox> mardy: no, we are sticking with 3.6 and pulling patches and or individual apps as we see fit.
[14:00] <mardy> xnox: I'd like to see if we can make an exception for some other components; should I start by proposing the change in the blueprint's whiteboard?
[14:00] <mardy> xnox: FYI, EDS/Evolution (the developer claims he has been developing them on top of GNOME 3.6
[14:03] <xnox> mardy: we are past feature freeze.
[14:03] <xnox> mardy: you'd want FFe now.
[14:03] <xnox> mardy: Thunderbird is our default mail app, why would we want new Evolution?
[14:03] <mardy> xnox: Online Accounts integration
[14:04] <xnox> mardy: don't edit whiteboard (that was relevant during raring development up to feature freeze), open FFe bug instead.
[14:04] <xnox> mardy: well, _which_ online accounts? ubuntu or gnome?
[14:04] <mardy> xnox: Ubuntu :-)
[14:07] <mardy> xnox: thanks. Well, first I'll try and see if it's really true that I can build it on raring :-)
[14:21] <seb128> mardy, hey, yeah we stay on GNOME 3.8
[14:21] <seb128> mardy, is there some abi changes in e-d-s/soname updates?
[14:21] <seb128> mardy, does the new evo require gtk 3.8 (we didn't go for it)
[14:22] <seb128> mardy, in any case it seems like that can wait a month and land after raring...
[14:22] <mardy> seb128: I'm trying right now to build it on raring, I'll let you know
[14:22] <seb128> mardy, ok, thanks
[14:22] <seb128> mardy, did they include uoa support in 3.8? or do they just have work in progress on top of that version?
[14:23] <mardy> seb128: yes, that's why I'm interested in it
[14:23] <mardy> seb128: it's in master :-)
[14:23] <seb128> ok, cool
[14:56] <mterry> ScottK, hello!  I don't quite understand your question in bug 1155157, could you explain?
[14:59] <ScottK> mterry: I recall some discussion the other day on IRC about session buses needing to be manually enabled.  It may have been irrelevant, but my question was are we already using a greeter session bus by default or does the greeter normally use the system bus?
[15:01] <mterry> ScottK, the greeter has a session bus already.  I know because it spawns some things that have used it.  But it's never exposed an interface on the bus before.  That's new
[15:01] <mterry> (things like indicators use it)
[15:01] <hallyn> smb: hi - kvm module autoloading is causing me a new problem.
[15:02] <hallyn> what exactly causes it to get loaded?
[15:02] <smb> hallyn, there is now cpu aliases for the modules
[15:02] <smb> alias:          x86cpu:vendor:*:family:*:model:*:feature:*0085*
[15:02] <smb> for example
[15:03] <hallyn> smb: the problem is that is getting done before qemu-kvm.conf runs.  qemu-kvm.conf optionally loads kvm_intel with thenested=1 parameter
[15:03] <hallyn> so that isn't getting done
[15:04] <hallyn> now it's rnning on 'runlevel [2345]', i guess i can move it much earlier than that, but when are the modules being autoloaded?  presumably very very early?
[15:04] <hallyn> i suppose i can just 'rmmod kvm_intel' always before modprobing it
[15:06] <hallyn> smb: can i ask what the advantage is of always loading that?
[15:06] <smb> hallyn, I would suspect that happens with some udev rule. (maybe on --trigger). That could work... I guess creating its own /etc/modprobe.d/ rule was bad for some reason
[15:08] <smb> hallyn, Suspect its a simplification so you cannot forget... But I would not know the real reason
[15:08] <hallyn> h, but always rmmod'ing kvm is bad as libvirt may be racing with us, vms already running
[15:10] <smb> hallyn, yeah probably not the best variant... need to look, is the upstart file doing much more than loading?
[15:11] <smb> hallyn, Hm, other option, not sure, but maybe it can be changed in /sys/modules...?
[15:11] <hallyn> smb: bug 1155177
[15:12] <hallyn> oh, you think it can be done at runtime?
[15:12] <hallyn> smb: at this point i'm not sure anyone would wnat/need to run without nesting support
[15:12] <hallyn> so perhaps it's ok to just always turn it on
[15:13] <hallyn> (with the qemu package, per the bug)
[15:13] <hallyn> but yes, lemme try andn set it through sysfs
[15:13] <smb> hallyn, I thought nested=1 also is the modules default...
[15:13] <hallyn> if it is then it's not working
[15:14] <hallyn> oh, no, not the kernel module's default
[15:15] <hallyn> smb: nope, can't change it through sysfs
[15:16] <hallyn> so what is the dh_* way to install a modprobe.d file?
[15:17] <smb> hallyn, dh_installmodules (package.modprobe)?
[15:17] <hallyn> oh, this is a regression.
[15:17] <hallyn> quantal had that file
[15:17] <hallyn> smb: but just having package.modprobe is sufficient right?
[15:17] <hallyn> i don't even need that line then?
[15:18] <smb> hallyn, you are asking the blind (or the deaf) :)
[15:18] <hallyn> smb: will test - thanks :)
[15:18] <smb> Just looked it up but maybe the file only is sufficient
[15:20] <smb> hallyn, And yeah, seems all the options of the module are unchangable without rmmod/modprobe...
[15:20] <hallyn> smb: so...  should i assume that thos modules are always loaded,
[15:20] <hallyn> and remove the modprobe from qemu-kvm upstart altogether?
[15:20] <smb> hallyn, Right and also now the right ones
[15:20] <hallyn> are there any cases where that won't happen?
[15:20] <smb> based on SVN or VMX
[15:20] <jodh> ev/cjwatson: can you offer any advice on how a python script can dynamically determine the full path to its installed icon file?
[15:20] <hallyn> smb: cool so only ksm setting will be left.   that and vhost_net
[15:21] <smb> hallyn, Yes, if a cpu does not support the feature or like in the case of dom0 if someone hides it
[15:21] <cjwatson> how do you mean, icon file?
[15:21] <jodh> cjwatson: well, and svg or png file that will be displayed in help->about actually.
[15:21] <cjwatson> any reason that needs to be dynamic?
[15:22] <cjwatson> I'd probably just hardcode a path, maybe substitute it in at build time if I were feeling keen
[15:22] <cjwatson> at least if it was just a script rather than a module
[15:22] <jodh> cjwatson: I'm using gtk set_icon_from_file(), but the .py isn't going to know where the image file is once it's installed.
[15:23] <jodh> cjwatson: yeah, this is just a single script - it's currently looking in cwd but that won't work when I install it
[15:23] <cjwatson> so you're trying to make it depend on autoconf --prefix or similar/
[15:23] <cjwatson> ?
[15:24] <jodh> cjwatson: something like that. I wondered about creating file.py.in or similar (not: there is no setup.py atm).
[15:24] <jodh> cjwatson: s/not:/note:/
[15:25] <hallyn> smb: testing http://paste.ubuntu.com/5613875/ fwiw
[15:25] <cjwatson> jodh: that's what I'd do
[15:25] <cjwatson> and have it test each of installed-path and cwd in some order to see if they exist
[15:25] <cjwatson> or give it a path override option
[15:26] <cjwatson> (probably overkill for an icon)
[15:28] <smb> hallyn, minus the debian packaging magic I am never sure of, that would look good to me
[15:30] <jodh> cjwatson: ok thanks. I'd wondered if it was possible to query a desktop file and it is using python-xdg. Only problem is finding the path to your .desktop file .... :)
[15:30] <cjwatson> well exactly, same problem
[15:30] <jodh> cjwatson: right :)
[15:30] <cjwatson> I suppose you could try to divine your prefix from __file__ or whatever it is
[15:31] <cjwatson> Not convinced that would be more robust
[15:51] <xnox> jodh: if you drop icon into correct location for desktop icons, the gtk_icon thing has a function to give you theme icon for "upstart"
[15:51] <xnox> jodh: thus you don't need full path in the first place.
[15:52] <xnox> jodh: see xdg icon spec for reference
[15:52] <xnox> https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/3.4/GtkImage.html#gtk-image-get-icon-name
[15:53] <xnox> jodh: then drop the svg into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/upstart.svg
[15:53] <cjwatson> ah, yeah, that might be better if you can manage it
[15:53] <xnox> run magic stuff to update icon caches.
[15:54] <xnox> (i usually reinstall one of the packages which already has icons there)
[15:54] <hallyn> how do i add ttyS0 to the list of things triggering ckit?
[15:54] <xnox> and use it =)
[15:54] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ ?
[15:54] <jodh> xnox: thanks!
[15:54] <xnox> np
[15:55] <xnox> I use glade, so i just set icon name there.
[15:55] <stgraber> hallyn: I don't remember ckit needing any kind of device whitelist. It's typically hooked into pam.
[15:56] <cjwatson> xnox: dh_icons, but you shouldn't need to do that if installing under /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ since hicolor-icon-theme has a trigger
[15:56] <cjwatson> Though it wouldn't hurt
[15:56] <cjwatson> dh should do it for you though
[15:57] <xnox> cjwatson: i mean when i'm locally just dropping/updating icons there for testing & artistic impression =)
[15:57]  * xnox notes down to see what hicolor-icon-theme trigger executes.
[15:57] <cjwatson> right.  update-icon-caches isn't much typing :)
[15:58] <cjwatson> (hicolor-icon-theme.postinst does it an older but basically equivalent way)
[15:58] <cjwatson> well, update-icon-caches only handles gtk3
[16:08] <mterry> pitti, the tests in systemd are disabled because "some tests fail under fakeroot".  Do you happen to know how many we're talking about?  (like, are we skipping 200 tests because 2 fail or because 198 fail?)
[16:09] <mterry> Not that systemd has 200 tests, that was just an example number
[16:09] <pitti> mterry: it's got quite a number of tests, but very few of them (only the unit tests) are actually shipped in the package
[16:10] <pitti> mterry: the integration tests (which build and run VMs) are only in git; I want to talk to upstream to ship them as well, so that we can run them in autopkgtest, etc.
[16:10] <mterry> pitti, yeah, you mentioned that in the MIR
[16:10] <pitti> mterry: building, I'll tell you in a bit
[16:10] <mterry> But it would be neat to run the unit tests too
[16:10] <pitti> yes, absolutely
[16:14] <cjwatson> xnox: Hm, do you also have multiarching in progress for tk8.5?
[16:16] <pitti> mterry: from upstream git I get 6/26 failures, apparently it's making some assumptions about the environment which aren't true on Ubuntu
[16:16] <xnox> cjwatson: needs to take the patch from 8.4 and apply on top of 8.5, do you need it urgently?
[16:16] <cjwatson> xnox: Because I'm having trouble getting ruby1.8 to build again when tclConfig.sh and tkConfig.sh are in different directories
[16:16] <cjwatson> xnox: And the relevant bit of its build system is, well, in ruby, and it's hurting my brain to unpack
[16:16] <mterry> pitti, hrm.  Is it easy to selectively disable them?
[16:17] <xnox> cjwatson: hmm... well the _default_ tclConfig.h has not moved, but the 8.4 & 8.5 did move.
[16:17] <pitti> mterry: yes, it's individual programs
[16:17] <cjwatson> xnox: err, I beg to differ
[16:17] <pitti> mterry: but probably it's better to fix them
[16:17] <cjwatson> $ dpkg -L tcl-dev | grep tclConfig
[16:17] <cjwatson> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/tclConfig.sh
[16:17] <pitti> mterry: but I had so much stuff at my hands with that tradition that I didn't get to that yet
[16:18] <mterry> pitti, yeah
[16:18] <cjwatson> xnox: And that's necessary AFAICS so that tcl-dev can be M-A: same
[16:18] <xnox> cjwatson: true, cuase it had too, otherwise tcl-dev would not be m-a:same. *sigh*
[16:18] <xnox> =)
[16:19] <xnox> cjwatson: i totally miss-read your question.
[16:19] <xnox> cjwatson: No, i do not have any progress on tk multiarchification.
[16:19] <cjwatson> Ah
[16:19] <cjwatson> OK, maybe I need to do that then
[16:19] <cjwatson> +1 maintenance -> yak shaving
[16:20] <cjwatson> I was two levels down from the original problem already :)
[16:20] <xnox> cjwatson: but if you use tcl8.6 and tk8.6 neither are multi-archified and ruby will build =) i guess you want to continue building ruby against the default tcltk stack....
[16:21] <cjwatson> That doesn't seem like an unalloyed step forward, really
[16:21] <cjwatson> And indeed I don't want to get into serious ruby maintenance, I just want to get it building again
[16:21] <cjwatson> I suspect it's not the only build system that assumes that tclConfig.sh and tkConfig.sh are in the same directory, so I think it'd be best to fix this regardless
[16:22] <xnox> cjwatson: we can ship "/usr/lib/tclConfig.sh and /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh" which will call dpkg-architecture & exec the real Config script from /lib/$(DEB_MULTIARCH/
[16:22] <xnox> cjwatson: we can ship "/usr/lib/tclConfig.sh and /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh" which will call dpkg-architecture & exec the real Config script from /usr/lib/$(DEB_MULTIARCH/
[16:22] <pitti> mterry: so the tests seem to run fine on Debian (says mbiebl) without fakeroot, so I'll investigate this
[16:22] <mterry> pitti, thanks!  it makes me nervous to have 0% coverage  :)
[16:22] <pitti> mterry: heh, same here :)
[16:22] <xnox> as long as it has same contents on all arches =)
[16:23] <cjwatson> xnox: Which is going to involve multiarching tk anyway, and I already have the ruby fix to honour DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH ... I'm not sure it makes sense to try to avoid this work
[16:23] <cjwatson> Tk should be multiarched for basically the same reasons Tcl was
[16:23] <cjwatson> So I'll start in on that now, I think
[16:23] <xnox> cjwatson: well, tkConfig.sh can stay as it is for now. Just ship the "compat" /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh.
[16:24] <xnox> cjwatson: or that =)
[16:24]  * xnox did not have fun with getting tcltk-defaults to do the right thing though.
[16:24] <pitti> mterry: ah, could actually be that it assumes that it's running under systemd
[16:25] <cjwatson> Anyway I don't really like such compat hacks when not absolutely necessary - they have a habit of complicating an area of packaging that not enough people understand as it is
[16:26] <xnox> unbroke python =)
[16:29] <pitti> mterry: ok, got it (assumes having /etc/machine-id)
[16:34] <pitti> mterry: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62344
[16:36] <mterry> pitti, awesome.  if it's not easy to retro-fit machine-id-agnosticism, would you mind enabling the other tests at least until upstream fixes that?
[16:40] <pitti> mterry: I rather do the former, investigating (but won't finish today, need to leave in 10 mins)
[16:49] <pitti> All 26 tests passed
[16:49] <pitti> now, here we go
[16:50] <mterry> pitti, leave :)
[16:50] <mterry> (but awesome!)
[16:58] <jtaylor> will eglibc commit cbc105f8b590f (aarch64: use lib64 as default lib and slib directory) be a problem for use at some point?
[17:16] <infinity> @pilot in
[17:16] <infinity> jtaylor: Ugh.  As long as no one also moved the linker.  Let me look.
[17:19] <infinity> jtaylor: Nope, that *should* be fine.  So far, no one's relocated the linker.  Default libdir and slibdir can be overridden anyway, and we will.
[17:19] <infinity> jtaylor: doko was involved in a long thread with gcc upstream about all of this, here's hoping no one does anything stupid.
[17:20]  * infinity goes to future-proof the packaging by preseeding libdir and slibdir so he doesn't get a nasty surprise when he rolls 2.18
[17:20] <doko> ?
[17:21] <infinity> doko: Andreas Schwab committed a libdir/slibdir change from lib to lib64 to glibc upstream.  Relates that thread you were involved in last week.
[17:21] <infinity> doko: (For AArch64)
[17:22] <infinity> doko: Anyhow, doesn't look like he moved the linker, just the libdirs, so doesn't really affect us.  I just need to change it back to lib for us.
[17:22] <doko> doesn't affect multiarch
[17:22] <infinity> Right.
[17:24] <infinity> Oh, indeed, might not affect as at all, as we install everything (except linkers) to multiarch paths anyway and completely ignore libdir and slibdir.
[17:24] <infinity> Except for biarch packages.
[17:24] <infinity> s/affect as/affect us/
[17:26] <hallyn> so, up through quantal we had /etc/default/qemu-kvm to store some settings, and /etc/init/qemu-kvm.conf to do stuff with them.  it had been claimed the default file should be dropped bc it slows things down.  but that causes trouble when ppl make changes and the iniwupstart script changes.
[17:26] <hallyn> woudl anyone object if i switch back to /etc/default/qemu-kvm?
[17:31] <hallyn> all right i'll put that off fornow
[17:32] <didrocks> infinity: hey, do you know who (or you?) should I ask for some regular ppa scoring (we have a feature ppa when we need a higher score for daily build to have amd64 packages built timely)?
[17:33] <cjwatson> didrocks: webops
[17:33] <infinity> didrocks: A one-time scoring of some time-sensitive builds, or a rescoring of the PPA itself?
[17:33] <didrocks> thanks cjwatson
[17:33] <cjwatson> https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/PolicyandProcess/PPAPriorityPolicy
[17:33] <didrocks> infinity: rescoring of the ppa
[17:33] <infinity> didrocks: As Colin says, webops if it's the latter.
[17:33]  * didrocks reads
[17:33] <didrocks> thanks infinity, cjwatson
[17:35] <stgraber> infinity: we can actually rescore a whole PPA ourselves
[17:35] <stgraber> infinity: (through API)
[17:36] <cjwatson> stgraber: we can, but the policy is there to protect us from world+dog asking us to
[17:36] <cjwatson> stgraber: after a problem of that kind
[17:36] <cjwatson> (well, in part; it's also useful justification and makes sure that there's a central group tracking what's been scored up, at least in theory)
[17:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: hmm, yeah, I guess it makes sense for webops to handle all PPA tweaking so they can keep a log of what's going on
[17:37] <cjwatson> especially if it all goes through RT tickets as requested in that doc
[17:45] <mterry> bryce, I have an Xorg apport crash file from a jenkins autopilot run that seems to be inspectable.  Do you mind giving it a look see?   http://mterry.name/_usr_bin_Xorg.0.crash
[17:53] <infinity> kirkland: Can't.  Stop.  Laughing.
[18:49] <kirkland> infinity: it's good stuff :-)
[18:49] <bkerensa> =o
[19:16] <hallyn> jamespage: think i figured out the kvm problem you're having.  it's hillarious really.  i need to create group kvm in preinst not postinst.
[19:17] <bdmurray> mterry: did you see my ping about bug 1056545?
[19:17] <mterry> bdmurray, yes, commented in bug, have filed a merge upstream
[19:18] <bdmurray> mterry: oh, maybe I should have refreshed or subscribed ;-)
[19:18] <mterry> :)
[19:19] <slangasek> xnox: hi, perhaps it would be more useful to talk through the file bridge stuff here rather than having our mails cross in the mp :)
[19:20] <xnox> slangasek: maybe =)
[19:21] <xnox> slangasek: what were your thoughts?
[19:21]  * xnox thinks jodh might be end of day by now.
[19:21] <xnox> slangasek: how come inotifywait -r -m /foo/ handles it fine then?
[19:21] <slangasek> xnox: well, per my last mail, the stuff you're doing is out of scope for what I believe the desktop team needs
[19:22] <slangasek> xnox: I don't know anything about inotifywait, but I talked about this with jodh and he made it clear that the corner cases are a giant rathole
[19:23] <slangasek> one which we don't need to stick our heads into
[19:23] <xnox> slangasek: well, let me re-read the code, as it looks like if the directory does not exist a watch on one above is established and later moved further down, such that this should be supported.
[19:24] <xnox> slangasek: I'm just thinking about for example a first login of a brand new account will recursively create many directories. Maybe some of the common onces should be moved into skeleton? Like ~/.cache ~/.config ~/.local at least.
[19:26] <slangasek> xnox: well, I know that jodh was trying to tackle the "watch parent dir, then move the watch when the next level is created" problem, but I believe the work was incomplete and I explicitly asked him not to block on completing it because I didn't believe it's needed
[19:26] <xnox> ok.
[19:26] <slangasek> xnox: the first-login case is an interesting point; I was actually just wondering to myself if we have the same problem on package install
[19:26] <slangasek> i.e., if dpkg unpacks /var/lib/service/foo and /etc/init/foo-monitor.conf out of order, does the file bridge get wedged?
[19:28] <xnox> and watching for /var/lib/service/foo/* or foo itself? =)
[19:28] <slangasek> xnox: sorry, I haven't actually looked at the branch yet so am not sure what the semantic difference between those two is :)  Would watching for "foo" mean watching for its creation?
[19:29] <slangasek>  /var/lib/service/foo/* seems to be what we want
[19:29] <slangasek> but I'm not sure what watching '/var/lib/service/foo' would mean, if it already exists and is a directory
[19:30] <xnox> it seems like one can either for for files or directories. I didn't actually check how the distinction is made though.
[19:30] <xnox> slangasek: when is runlevel 2 emitted? before or after certain mountall events?
[19:31] <slangasek> xnox: runlevel 2 is emitted only after the 'filesystem' event
[19:31] <slangasek> which doesn't actually mean all filesystems are mounted
[19:31] <slangasek> ;)
[19:31] <slangasek> however, /var, /usr should be fully mounted
[19:31] <xnox> cause if the fs is not mounted yet, but upstart-file-bridge has already started we will like miss everything.....
[19:31] <xnox> slangasek: /home ?
[19:32] <slangasek> xnox: /home is not guaranteed
[19:32] <slangasek> well, /home itself may be but subdirs are not
[19:32] <xnox> oh we don't care about /home actually, since user-jobs and user-upstart and user-file-bridge is not running yet.
[19:32]  * slangasek nods
[19:33] <slangasek> xnox: also, users who *need* mountall to wait can override any fstab entry by adding 'bootwait'
[19:34] <slangasek> ah, but I see the job jodh added has 'start on startup', which is obviously too early
[19:34] <slangasek> ... unless we fix the recursive watch problem
[19:34] <slangasek> so, it's arguable that yes, we should fix it so we can add a watch that follows down the tree as parent dirs are created
[19:34] <slangasek> but if you add, delete, add, I think we don't care about supporting that
[19:39] <slangasek> xnox: so I conclude that I agree with your use case in https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/file-bridge-MP/+merge/152767/comments/333812 needing to be supported, but not your third example from https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/upstart/file-bridge-MP/+merge/152767/comments/333827
[19:39] <slangasek> xnox: could you summarize this onto the mp?
[19:41] <xnox> slangasek: ack.
[19:41]  * xnox does one more test here locally.
[19:48] <bdmurray> tjaalton: does bug 1104954 need fixing in quantal too?
[20:00] <tjaalton> bdmurray: hmmh, yeah. and it needs a refresh anyway, you can drop it from the queue
[20:02] <bdmurray> tjaalton: done
[20:02] <tjaalton> thanks
[20:46] <jamespage> hallyn: great news!
[20:52] <tkamppeter> RAOF, hi
[21:04] <hallyn> jamespage: if you're still around and a bit bored or eager to see the qemu fix in archive, woudl you mind reviewing http://paste.ubuntu.com/5614794/ ?
[21:22] <slangasek> xnox: do you know anything about glusterfs?
[21:25] <xnox> slangasek: some. Why?
[21:25] <slangasek> xnox: bug #1103047
[21:25] <slangasek> xnox: I don't know anything about it, and so far none of the people hitting it have given me the debug info I need
[21:25] <xnox> slangasek: even like jamespage ? =)
[21:26] <slangasek> jamespage apparently doesn't use it, since everyone assures me mountall can't mount glusterfs correctly ;)
[21:27]  * jamespage bemused
[21:27] <slangasek> jamespage: so I guess you use it and haven't seen this bug, eh? :)
[21:27] <jamespage> slangasek, nope - never used gluster
[21:27] <slangasek> ah
[21:28] <slangasek> xnox: so, right - if you happen to be able to set up a test for this easily and reproduce the bug I'd appreciate the help, but if it's not easy for you don't worry about it
[21:30] <xnox> slangasek: should be easy =) but I will schedule once I have proper resources (my new machine which doesn't boot with older generation CPU either)
[21:31] <slangasek> xnox: ok... :)
[21:32] <infinity> slangasek: I imagine gluster should be added to is_remote, but it does seem odd that _netdev doesn't work around it.
[21:32] <slangasek> yep
[21:33] <infinity> Though, mountall makes no attempt to filter _netdev out.
[21:33] <infinity> So, if mount.filesystem hates the option, that would be problematic.
[21:33] <roaksoax> slangasek: howdy!! so I uploaded maas-provision (to precise-proposed) and maas (to both precise|quantal-proposed), and I'd like you to review and accept for SRU verification when you have the time. Thanks!
[21:34] <slangasek> roaksoax: ok - I can look at both tomorrow
[21:34] <slangasek> infinity: mountall doesn't, but 'mount' should IIRC
[21:34] <roaksoax> slangasek: awesome thank you!
[21:35] <xnox> slangasek: surely for the node itself glouster mount is "local"
[21:36] <xnox> and we don't want to break the glouster mounts themself.....
[21:46] <dobey> infinity: care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/raring/twisted/lp1098127/+merge/153470 and get it uploaded? :)
[21:50] <infinity> dobey: For cupcakes.
[21:50] <dobey> i'm sure that could possibly be arranged
[21:52] <stgraber> smoser: isc-dhcp uploaded. I'm not thrilled about the idea of supporting an extra dhcpd.conf option but I can't really think of another way to deal with that bug...
[21:53] <infinity> dobey: Really?  Sold.  I will review after my next call and get it uploaded (or provide painful feedback, whichever).
[22:00] <dobey> cool, thanks


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