[07:32] <S4ry> Hello
[07:33] <S4ry> Congratulations ziroday
[07:34] <ziroday> S4ry: thanks?
[07:34] <rww> on signing into nickserv?
[07:35] <S4ry> So , Nah .. his cloak :)
[07:35] <rww> S4ry: yes, it applied because he nickserv identified ;P
[07:35] <ziroday> S4ry: oh thanks, but it was a while ago :)
[07:36] <S4ry> Ah
[07:36] <S4ry> I am late then :D
[07:36] <ziroday> S4ry: :)
[07:36] <S4ry> So ,  is the a cloak for an Ubuntu Loco Team ..
[07:36] <S4ry> *there
[07:37] <S4ry> typo
[07:37] <rww> S4ry: nope, Ubuntu only does ubuntu/member/* and ubuntu/bot/* cloaks, for members and official core-channel (?) bots.
[07:37] <S4ry> rww , nice to see ya , how you do
[07:37] <S4ry> Mmm
[07:38] <S4ry> Okay , what if someone is a member of another team
[07:38] <S4ry> on launchpad
[07:38] <S4ry> like , me
[07:38] <maco> no
[07:38] <maco> you have to be a member of launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[07:38] <S4ry> I am member of Sabily team
[07:38] <rww> !membership
[07:38] <S4ry> maco, okay
[07:39] <maco> i dont know if Sabily has its own group registration on Freenode
[07:39] <S4ry> it has , i am on the channel and most of the members has their cloak
[07:39] <S4ry>  #Sabily
[07:39] <maco> but are they ubuntu cloaks or sabily cloaks?
[07:39] <S4ry> Sabily Cloaks
[07:40] <maco> ask them how to get them then
[07:40] <S4ry> Okay ,
[07:40] <maco> i should download Sabily and take it to the interfaith peace group tomorrow
[07:40] <S4ry> nice
[07:40] <S4ry> So i have to join the ubuntumembers on launchpad too !
[07:41] <S4ry> I guess not
[07:41] <maco> not for sabily
[07:41] <S4ry> Okay
[07:41] <maco> if you want a sabily cloak, ask sabily folks how
[07:42] <S4ry> Alright
[07:42] <maco> if you want an ubuntu member cloak, you need to be an ubuntu member
[07:42] <S4ry> Thanks a bunch Y'all
[07:42] <rww> if you want an ubuntu bo... never mind
[07:42]  * maco fluffles rww
[07:42] <S4ry> Hum ! bo
[07:43] <rww> Sorry, I don't know anything about fluffles
[07:43] <maco> S4ry: rww was going to say that if you wanted an ubuntu bot cloak you need to be a bot
[07:43] <S4ry> lol
[07:44] <S4ry> Okay
[07:45] <S4ry> Well , we have a lubotu3 bot .. could that get a cloak :D
[07:46] <S4ry> O' also .. can we have that bot in #Sabily
[07:46] <rww> as I said, I'm pretty sure ubuntu/bot/* is for core channel bots
[07:46] <S4ry> I have it on my loco team channel
[07:47] <maco> locos are not core
[07:47] <S4ry> Yeah
[07:47] <rww> heh. I didn't think the lubotus had it
[07:47] <S4ry> so what bot can Sabily gets
[07:47] <S4ry> Any clue
[07:47] <rww> !botclone | make your own :)
[07:47] <maco> your own?
[07:47] <maco> supybot is in the repos.... install it on a server and go
[07:48] <S4ry> O' me .. thats painful :D
[07:48] <maco> no its not
[07:48] <maco> i have a bot in my channel
[07:48] <S4ry> Yeah , i have used that supybot
[07:48] <rww> the bots get painfully slow if they're in too many channels, hence there being a bunch of duplicates and them generally sticking to the Ubuntu namespace
[07:48] <S4ry> Mmm , noted
[07:49] <S4ry> I asked for help on #Supybot for their bot .. i had an issue with it
[07:50] <rww> oh, it's the ubot* clones that don't have ubuntu/bot/* cloaks. I got them mixed up.
[07:51] <S4ry> You know that identified situation with the Supybot and NickServ ..  i still don't get it
[07:53] <S4ry> Actually , lubotus comes in handy with the bunch of info's
[07:53] <S4ry> if we just could update the bot database , Wow
[08:04] <S4ry> maco,
[08:04] <maco> yes?
[08:05] <S4ry> What you mean no cd for sabily
[08:05] <maco> there are only DVD isos on the download page, no CD ones
[08:05] <S4ry> Yeah
[08:05] <S4ry> Should we have the cd too
[08:06] <maco> well i dont have the resources to come up with a DVD for tomorrow (neither the time to download such a large iso nor any idea where blank DVDs hide in my pile of junk, if i even have any)
[08:07] <maco> i think a CD is more accessible to folks... blank CDs are cheaper thank blank DVDs, and not all computers can use DVD
[08:08] <S4ry> Okay
[08:08] <S4ry> You mean  like , i can boot an iso with a blank CD
[08:08] <maco> i mean you need to burn an iso to a disc
[08:09] <maco> that means either a <700MB iso which you can burn on a blank CD or a very large one for on a blank DVD
[08:09] <maco> buying blank CDs is like $7 for 50 of them
[08:09]  * rww nudges maco and S4ry towards #sabily ;P
[08:09] <S4ry> ah got you
[08:10] <S4ry> Excuse us rww :)
[08:23] <S4ry> maco, much appreciate your Concern .. your advice was noted :)
[09:24] <S4ry> guys , what is the advantage of being voiced in a channel
[09:24] <rww> you can still speak if the channel's set +m or a +q matches you
[09:26] <S4ry> Okay nice
[09:27] <S4ry> rww , how to check if the channel is set for +m or a +q
[09:28] <S4ry> Someone has juts toll me that there is no  No advantage of it on a channel
[09:29] <rww> S4ry: By way of example, "/mode #ubuntu-irc" would show this channel's channelmodes (note the lack of an m in the output), and "/mode #ubuntu-irc q" would show all the quiets.
[09:31] <S4ry> rww, nice .. so if #ubuntu-sa modes: +cnt .. there is no advantage of being voiced !
[09:32] <rww> Most channels that are set up properly don't use +v much if at all.
[09:33] <S4ry> +v as Voiced for everyone
[09:33] <ubot4> S4ry: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[09:34] <S4ry> So how come a channel modes are +cnt & then an OP there tells me there is no advantage of it
[09:36] <rww> because there isn't? the channel's not +m and you're not quieted on it, so being +v would do nothing.
[09:36] <S4ry> Ah , got it
[09:45] <S4ry> thanks rww much appreciate it
[09:59] <serfus> some channels (like the beginners team channels) use +v to show you are a member
[10:02] <rww> that sort of thing's often more trouble than it's worth, in my experience. people spend way too much time asking for channel flags.
[10:03]  * rww notes that he hasn't been in -beginners, isn't commenting on that specifically
[10:03] <S4ry> :)
[15:48] <ubot2> In ubot2, vipinb said: This message is really eating my hardisk. I just gone throw the pulseaudio source. If it is a broken in driver,  It can provide little more correct information. just showing suprressed
[15:53] <nhandler> Just as a heads up, at the request of several active members of the Mobile Team (and with the approval of the channel founder), we (IRCC) have closed down #ubuntu-mobile. It is currently +m with a /topic and entrymsg pointing people to -devel to discuss the development of UNE or Ubuntu on armel. We might change it to +if in a few weeks


[21:21] <punkdad> how do i get into testing?
[21:22] <charlie-tca__> You could take a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing
[21:22] <punkdad> i have it says contact someone on here
[22:43] <plars> is anyone able to install a daily image right now? or is the ubiquity bug biting everyone?
[22:44] <plars> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/394338 specifically
[22:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 394338 in ubiquity "mythbuntu_install.py crashed with OSError in select_ecryptfs()" [Critical,Fix committed]
[22:47] <charlie-tca__> I installed Xubuntu images today, but they install Ubuntu
[22:52] <plars> charlie-tca__: as long as you still used ubiquity, I'm interested in how you got through this
[22:53] <charlie-tca__> Insecrap
[22:53] <charlie-tca__> crap, I ran the live cd, saw ubuntu, and quit. I wanted Xubuntu and the image is all screwed up
[22:54] <plars> charlie-tca__: yeah, the livecd works fine, just installing that breaks
[22:54] <charlie-tca__> Sorry, I guess I did not get the desktop cd to install. I installed the alternate-i386 cd
[22:54] <charlie-tca__> and it also installed ubuntu instead of xubuntu


[14:30] <RonaldsMazitis> I am trying to use MIDI device with LMMS, but I can't change from alsa sequencer to any other MIDI support in LMMS
[14:44] <akem> RonaldsMazitis, Can't seem to use MIDI either with LMMS. Though it works fine with Renoise using Alsa or Jack. And also with my own program or with Wine(Alsa only).
[14:44] <RonaldsMazitis> I used to use it
[14:44] <RonaldsMazitis> before I reinstalled PC
[14:46] <akem> RonaldsMazitis, You can try to launch lmms from the terminal, and look at the lines it prints. Then try to change midi config from settings maybe.
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> Which version of Ubuntu? You might have to wait until 20.04 releases (or test 20.04 now) to get a newer version with bug fixes.
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> Newer version of lmms.
[14:51] <RonaldsMazitis> it worked on 16.04 as well as 18.04
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> There's a newer version landed in 20.04.
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> The version in 19.10 might be buggy.
[14:51]  * Eickmeyer doesn't use lmms
[14:52] <RonaldsMazitis> I am on 18.04
[14:52] <RonaldsMazitis> I told You it already worked before reinstall
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> Are you using Ubuntu Studio?
[14:54] <RonaldsMazitis> #ubuntu sent me here
[14:54] <Eickmeyer> The question still stands. I need to know your installation media.
[14:55] <RonaldsMazitis> that means I'm on standard Ubuntu
[14:56] <Eickmeyer> Where you were sent from means nothing. If you're going to be like this, I'm going to go silent.
[14:57] <RonaldsMazitis> I told You I'm on ubuntu 18.04
[14:57] <RonaldsMazitis> studio just means extra audio tools installed
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> That's false. We do a lot for the configuration of the audio tools out of the box.
[14:58] <RonaldsMazitis> I told You it worked on standard Ubuntu 16-18 before
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> Please refrain from the attitude. You got the operating system FOR FREE and I'm trying to help you.
[14:58] <akem> RonaldsMazitis, Maybe you should try on regular #ubuntu again. Did you check your midi device with aseqdump?
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> I'm a volunteer.
[14:59] <RonaldsMazitis> https://ibb.co/KFwk6GC
[15:00] <RonaldsMazitis> as You can see LMMS finds my MIDI keyboard
[15:00] <akem> Anyone knows how to find out the port number needed to check a MIDI input device with aseqdump? I can't seem to find it in dmesg.
[15:00] <akem> aseqdum -p <ID> <- the ID i'm looking for, on a newly plugged device.
[15:00] <Eickmeyer> RonaldsMazitis: It looks like a bug in lmms then. We can't do anything here.
[15:01] <Eickmeyer> akem: I don't know, sorry.
[15:01] <akem> RonaldsMazitis, Maybe it sees it, but doesn't receive the events from it?
[15:03] <RonaldsMazitis> vmpk seems to get keys I pres
[15:03] <RonaldsMazitis> I am thinking of adding lmms repo
[15:03] <RonaldsMazitis> and upgrading version
[15:03] <akem> If vmpk receive them, then it should be fine on the MIDI side, yeah.
[15:04] <akem> That's strange.
[15:09] <akem> RonaldsMazitis, I know it's not a very good suggestion, but you could try to launch it as root just to see if it's not some right issue.
[15:09] <akem> Like adding your user to some group or whatever. But i doubt it, if it works with vmpk.
[15:11] <RonaldsMazitis> https://ibb.co/3kBrfTn
[15:11] <RonaldsMazitis> this setting gives output
[15:12] <RonaldsMazitis> it uses lmms
[15:13] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah so root works
[15:13] <RonaldsMazitis> for some reason
[15:16] <akem> You probably need to add your user to some group, don't know which one tho.
[15:18] <RonaldsMazitis> thanks
[15:18] <akem> Np.
[16:45] <Turdlar> what is the term for the instruments or sounds that are found under "banks" if i want to find additional collections? or in other words, how do i find additional sounds for the "banks" section?
[17:50] <OvenWerks> Turdlar: I am not sure I understand what you mean
[17:56] <Turdlar> In Yoshimi, can choose the sounds my midi keyboard outputs, by selecting a 'sound' in a window titled "yoshimi:Root 5, Bank 110 - [file path]. What is the  'sound items in that window called? is it just banks? i have a bank under number 105, that is called "will godfrey collection"
[17:57] <Turdlar> i tried googling stuff like "banks for yoshimi" or "banks for synth", but without anything obviously related
[17:58] <Guest27> can I get support for ubuntu studio in here? or is that a different chat room?
[18:00] <OvenWerks> Turdlar: I think everything is a bank/patch, but I think a bank can be loaded as a different bank number too (I am not sure) Will would know :) but I don't know if he hngs out at #lau or #opensourcemusicians or not.
[18:00] <OvenWerks> So a bank is a set of patches that can be loaded or created.
[18:01] <OvenWerks> Will does seem to read the lau mailing list (linuxaudio users) though
[18:02] <Turdlar> is the bank the correct name for the collection of "sounds" to use for midi keyboards like that?
[18:03] <OvenWerks> For that particular synth I would think so, for something like fluidsynth they would be called sound fonts
[18:03] <Turdlar> Guest27, try to ask the question, and people will respond if they can help
[18:04] <ottomang7> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1222933/dual-boot-windows-with-ubuntu-using-uefi-and-not-modifying-the-mbr
[18:04] <Turdlar> OvenWerks, Sound Fonts sounds more legit - thanks
[18:04] <ottomang7> I figured pasting the link would be easier
[18:05] <OvenWerks> ottomang7: you would be better asking in #ubuntu for that one. I think there are very few people in here who do that. (there has been no windows in our house sinse WIN95)
[18:05] <ottomang7> hehe ok thank you so much.
[18:06] <Turdlar> ottomang7, Or #debian
[23:15] <craigbass76> What's the trick to getting what I'm hearing coming into my Line In jack to record in Ardour? The screen shots I took of buss settings aren't cutting it (pardon the pun)
[23:17] <OvenWerks> line in? you mean like the on board line in?
[23:18] <craigbass76> Yeah, the regular 1/8" jack. I'm just coming out of an analog mixer's RCA jacks.
[23:18] <OvenWerks> It should be part of the PCH device
[23:18] <craigbass76> I'm hearing it out the computers speakers, just not getting any levels in Ardour. I do get a signal in Audacity, while crakly...
[23:19] <OvenWerks> Are you using jack or alsa in ardour?
[23:20] <craigbass76> Jack
[23:20] <OvenWerks> which device is jack set to?
[23:24] <craigbass76> Is this something I'd see in QjackCtl ?
[23:25] <OvenWerks> if you used qjackctl to start jack yes
[23:26] <craigbass76> All I'm seeing in the Audio clients is PulseAudio Jack Sink
[23:26] <OvenWerks> "Audio clients"? Is that in the qjackctl connections window?
[23:28] <craigbass76> Yep, left-hand pane (readable). Right-hand (writable) says system and PulseAudio JACK Source
[23:28] <OvenWerks> craigbass76: what does the setup say?
[23:28] <OvenWerks> there should be a settings tab with Parameters tab inside
[23:29] <OvenWerks> what "Interface" does it say
[23:29] <craigbass76> Alsa is the driver, and interface might be the culprit... Restarting Jack
[23:30] <craigbass76> Gah. Bonehead. It was set to USB (from me trying to use a Scarlett box a few months ago)
[23:30] <OvenWerks> So ok now?
[23:31] <craigbass76> I'd hug you, but... Corona.
[23:33] <craigbass76> I was trying to use the FOcusrite, but was having a delay that I'm not getting with an analog Mackie. I didn't remember having to switch to USB, and forgot to swap back. So, the screenshots I took WERE in fact valid, I just failed to stop and think long enough about Jack input. You could say, I don't know Jack?
[23:33] <OvenWerks> just a slip.
[23:34] <craigbass76> Been a long three weeks...


[00:32] <RAOF> Ok. *That* was a race in my code :)
[02:38]  * RAOF heads due luncheon
[07:39] <RAOF> Ok.
[07:39] <RAOF> Ok.
[07:39] <RAOF> OK.
[07:40] <RAOF> That *should* fix all the races in https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/mir/fix-deadlock-in-glib-alarm/+merge/266682
[10:21] <ogra_> poor duflu ... seems i actually stirred up something with my input delay bu
[10:21] <ogra_> *bug
[10:22] <duflu> ogra_: The earlier we know about them the better. You're doing us a great service :)
[10:22] <ogra_> (looks like you are getting from one rabbithole into the next all the time)
[10:22] <duflu> ogra_: Yeah sometimes you just need to stop looking
[10:22]  * duflu -> EOD
[10:22] <ogra_> heh
[10:22] <ogra_> enjoy
[11:50] <alan_g> greyback: When you have a moment, could you have a look. (I can't imagine my qtmir changes caused it but it is worrying). https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/qtmir-wily-amd64-ci/73/console
[11:51] <greyback> looking
[11:51] <greyback> alan_g: doubt it's your fault, looks like the dbus test harness is failing
[11:53] <greyback> pete-woods: hey, any ideas how we can debug that ^^
[11:53] <greyback> it's using dbusmock, and failing with C++ exception with description "Process [python3] for service [com.canonical.powerd] failed to appear on bus" thrown in the test fixture's constructor.
[11:55] <alan_g> greyback: thanks
[12:49] <pete-woods> greyback: looking
[12:49] <pete-woods> (sorry, was having lunch)
[12:50] <pete-woods> greyback: does this happen if you do a debuild locally?
[12:51] <pete-woods> this can happen if the build server is super heavily loaded
[12:52] <pete-woods> it waits 5 seconds for the python process to start
[12:52] <pete-woods> that's probably not enough, actually
[12:52] <greyback> pete-woods: not happening locally for me anyway
[12:52] <pete-woods> (it uses QSignalSpy::wait)
[12:52] <pete-woods> which has a default timeout of 5 seconds
[12:53] <pete-woods> this should maybe be upped to 30 seconds
[12:53] <greyback> you'd think 5 secondsis enough to bring up python. But if you've seen it randomly on servers, it'll do no harm to bump it
[12:53] <pete-woods> as starting a new python process can take quite a while on a low memory / loaded system
[12:53] <greyback> alan_g|lunch: could you retry the build, just to see
[13:02] <alan_g> greyback: ack


[09:40] <rsvp> so I installed cloud-init via synaptic... there's no man page... so is there a good intro to its functions??
[10:37] <flaccid> rsvp: on the wiki
[14:48] <smoser`> rsvp, you dont' twant to install it on a non "clodu" machine (ie, outside of uec or ec2)
[14:48] <smoser`> you should uninstall before you reboot
[18:12] <rsvp> smoser, thanks for the clarification re: "download cloud-init only on machines in the cloud (not your desktop)" -- perhaps it could be more explicit on the wiki page and in the apt description -- since otherwise an user could get the impression that it helps generate/merge/prettify/test the config file.
[18:25] <rsvp> smoser, another feature that could be made more explicit: "alternatively place a URL pointing to the config file, instead of the config file." -- I'm not sure what exactly are the conditions on that URL and whether that method could circumvent the file size limitation. That would be a nice feature since machines on the cloud could then consistently initialize from a large file in a version controlled repository.
[18:36] <rsvp> smoser, could you kindly clarify the URL_as_config for cloud-init ?? and thanks so much for your effort and work!
[19:52] <Evet> 2 servers are enough to build a private cloud?


[01:02] <lfaraone> Hey, where do you put needspackaging requests?
[01:02] <lfaraone> (what package)
[01:02] <RAOF> No package; ubuntu.
[01:07] <lfaraone> Can someone in bugcontrol set this to wishlist? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/165135
[01:10] <chrisccoulson> lfaraone - it could do with being assigned a package really
[01:11] <chrisccoulson> i know that the intrepid alternate CD now supports fakeraid. have you checked the server edition to see if support exists?
[01:13] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: It's not my bug.
[01:13] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: Moreover, I'm not sure what he's using.
[01:14] <lfaraone> Also, what's the component for Ubuntu website bugs?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> the project 'ubuntu-website'
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> i'll have a look at that bug in the morning. we should be able to assign it a package really, but I'm not sure what
[01:15] <chrisccoulson> and it's getting late here for me
[01:15] <lfaraone> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[01:16] <Hobbsee> lfaraone: you're welcome
[01:41] <lfaraone> Can a bugcontroller set this to "Low": https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/208240 ?
[01:41] <jdong> lfaraone: sounds reasonable; done.
[01:42] <lfaraone> jdong: Thanks.
[01:43] <lfaraone> jdong: Could you also set https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/212492 to "Wishlist" ?
[01:44] <jdong> lfaraone: ok
[04:52] <lfaraone> hey maco.
[04:53] <maco> lfaraone: hi. i fail at reproducing my own bug.
[04:54] <emet> how long does it typically take to get on the bug control team?
[04:55] <lfaraone> maco: which one?
[04:55] <maco> emet: wondering the same thing
[04:55] <maco> lfaraone: evolution error followed by crash. log out, delete gconf keys, log in = all fixed
[04:56] <emet> maco, did someone named Brian Murray reply to your request?
[04:56] <maco> emet: no, bdmurray hasn't replied yet. 3 others have (though oddly, only 2 of them show in the list archives) with +1s
[05:16] <hggdh> emet, maco, it just takes experience -- maco, BTW, should be in in a few
[05:20] <hggdh> and -- from the response to the questions, it is usually about 7 days, to give others in bug control time to review and + or - the request
[05:23] <maco> hggdh: thanks
[05:25] <hggdh> maco, welcome. Of course, this is a democracy: we all vote, and Brian's vote is equal to all of us + 1 ;-)
[05:26] <maco> lol
[05:27] <lfaraone|zzz> maco: I was on the waiting list for 2~months before I got a "we need more data"
[05:32] <hggdh> lfaraone|zzz, I do not remember seeing your application there
[05:33] <maco> hggdh: i applied on launchpad but never sent in the questionaire a few months ago, then went "eh, i need more practice. nevermind."
 I'm trying to get a backtrace for bug 269120, but as soon as I attach gdb to compiz.real, my system completely freezes (except for the mouse cursor) and even alt-sysrq-k doesn't work. Any ideas?
[10:27] <danage> can someone help me find the correct package for a bug report?
[10:28] <persia> danage: Which bug report?
[10:28] <danage> it's a vnc viewer, but i seem to have two installed. i access it through terminal server client
[10:28] <danage> persia: this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc/+bug/275089
[10:29] <danage> did i report this correctly?
[10:29] <persia> Probably not, but we can sort that.
[10:29] <danage> sounds good :)
[10:29] <persia> Firstly, it's not clear if the problem is with the client or the server.
[10:29] <persia> It's also not clear whether you are running Ubuntu on the client or the server or both.
[10:30] <persia> It's also not clear which versions of which client and server you are using.
[10:30] <persia> I think everything else is there.
[10:30] <danage> let me add all of that
[10:31] <persia> danage: Thanks.  If you get stuck on figuring out if it's the client or the server, that's OK, but the last two are critical to being able to reproduce and investigate.
[10:36] <danage> persia: i can get the vnc viewer both via xvncviewer and vncviewer in shell - is this normal? two different programs? they look 100% the same
[10:37] <persia> danage: There are probably about 10 different VNC clients in the archives.  I'm not sure how different they look.
[10:37] <danage> persia: i updated the description, can you check?
[10:39] <persia> OK.  Great.  You've identified the issue is with xvnc4viewer 4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu7
[10:40] <persia> Next step is to adjust the bug to apply to the xvnc4 package.  You can determine this by looking at the top line of the output of `apt-cache showsrc xvnc4viewer`
[10:42] <persia> So, if you click the arrow to the left of "vnc", you can change the package name.
[10:42] <danage> done.
[10:43] <persia> danage: Excellent.  I'd say the bug is now reported correctly.  Thanks for the adjustments.
[10:44] <persia> danage: Next step would be to track down what is happening, and where.  Trying several different VNC clients might help to see if any of them work.
[10:44] <danage> of course. if i would like to have it fixed, i better report it correctly. that's why i came and asked :)
[10:44] <danage> persia: they do, i tried a windows client. no problems.
[10:44] <persia> If nothing works, it might be some disagreement about the protocol.  If some things don't work, and some do, then it might be a library.
[10:45] <danage> i'll wait and see what happens
[10:45] <persia> danage: Yes, but it's hard to check how UltraVNC client works.
[10:45] <danage> i tried tightvnc (ubuntu) too, it works
[10:45] <danage> maybe i should add that?
[10:45] <persia> Trying other clients in Ubuntu might help determine if it's really a problem with xvnc4 or with some vnc library used by xvnc4.
[10:46] <persia> tightvnc doesn't have the bug?  Adding that would be useful.  Remember to include the version of tightvnc.
[10:46] <persia> At this point, you not only definitely know the problem is with the xvnc4 client, but you can point people at another client in ubuntu that works for comparison.
[10:48] <danage> done.
[10:48] <danage> i hope not all the people on the right get an email every time i change the description...
[10:49] <persia> They do, but they get one everytime anyone changes any bug in launchpad, so most of their email accounts don't work anymore.
[10:49] <danage> lol
[10:50] <persia> As the bug gets older, more people will be subscribed, and these people are more likely to actually read the email on the bug.  It's OK to adjust as much as you need in the beginning, but once it starts getting triaged, it's better to just work with the triagers and developers towards a solution.
[10:52] <danage> i doubt anything will happen soon. the maintainers have been asked to sync with current debian in june and nothing has happened since
[11:24] <murdok> Can anyone mark bug 117044 as xubuntu specific?
[11:26] <james_w> murdok: I don't know of a way to do that, if it only happens in Xubuntu then just state so in a comment
[11:27] <james_w> also, the reporter says they were using GNOME, so I'm not sure how it can be Xubuntu-specific
[11:28] <murdok> the last comment
[11:28] <murdok> says he has tried in gnome and its solved, but in xubuntu it persists
[11:29] <murdok> I thought that ubuntu-bug-control team had rights to do that. Now it says gparted (Ubuntu) to -> gparted (Xubuntu).
[11:29] <murdok> I will change the title
[11:40] <james_w> it sounds like re-assigning to thunar might be the correct thing to do
[11:40] <james_w> is the problem that something else mounts a partition when it is unmounted in gparted?
[11:51] <murdok> james_w: good point, i'll do that too
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> what do we do about bug reports against packages because they have no -dbg package?
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> even if they have a -dbgsym package in http://ddebs.ubuntu.com
[12:09] <afflux> chrisccoulson: what exactly do you mean? For manually retracing the reporter (or you) can use the -dbgsym package.
[12:09] <chrisccoulson> i'm looking at bug 275082 for selinux, by someone who is probably trying to backtrace a crash in a program they are developing
[12:10] <chrisccoulson> there are no -dbg packages in the main repository anymore, but there used to be
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> but they are in  http://ddebs.ubuntu.com. should i just close the report and forward them to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash?
[12:11] <afflux> chrisccoulson: Yes, I think so.
[12:11] <chrisccoulson> i'll do that then. thanks:)
[12:12] <afflux> you're welcome
[12:53] <Hew> I'm still getting bug 206432, even though it has been marked as a duplicate of fixed bug 192888. Should I unmark it as a dupe?
[13:02] <lfaraone|zzz> hggdh|away: It was in march-mayish, iirc
[13:54] <nhandler> When did Launchpad edge get the "Does this bug affect you?" button?
[13:55] <Hobbsee> last rollout, iirc.
[13:56] <nhandler> Hobbsee: What happens when a person says a bug affects them? Does it mark the bug as confirmed? Does it increment a number showing how many people are affected by the bug?
[13:57] <Hobbsee> i've *no* idea.  i've not used it
[13:57] <Hobbsee> i presume the latter
[13:57] <Hobbsee> as in, the third latter
[13:57] <persia> It marks it as affecting them.  There's supposed to be a counter somewhere.
[13:57] <persia> It's the oft described "Me Too" button, intended to stave off the "Me Too" comments.
[13:58] <nhandler> So am I able to say that a bug that I report affects me? I don't want to be confirming my own bug report. Or am I already listed as being affected by the bug by reporting it on Launchpad?
[13:59] <persia> No idea.  Read the documentation :)
[13:59] <james_w> nhandler: I would guess you are already listed as being affected, but I don't think pushing it would hurt, and I doubt it has the same problems as confirming your own reports
[13:59] <james_w> I could well be wrong though
[13:59] <nhandler> persia: Where is it documented? I haven't seen it in any of the triaging guides on the wiki.
[14:00] <persia> nhandler: That is an interesting question.  I'm glad you asked.  I suspect you want to ask in #launchpad, as for any LP feature.
[14:00] <persia> (alternately said: "No idea.  LP docs are something of which I've never found enough")
[14:01] <nhandler> persia: Ok, I'll ask and report back here. Someone should probably update the triaging pages to contain this new feature
[14:12] <nhandler> According to wgrant in #launchpad, saying a bug affects you increments a counter somewhere. However, that counter is not displayed anywhere. It does not look as if the feature is complete yet. There is also no known documentation for the feature.
[14:16] <pochu> nhandler: well, it's in edge and not in production. I guess they are still working on it
[14:16] <pochu> edge receives daily code updates AFAIK
[14:16] <nhandler> pochu: I hope you are right. I would hate to see this feature enter the non-edge launchpad as-is
[14:18] <persia> It needs watching then.  production LP gets updated from edge once a month or so.  Just before the release, there's usually some warning, and anything only partially broken at that point is good to make noise about.
[14:35] <lfaraone> What should I do if I cannot reproduce a bug?
[14:36] <persia> lfaraone: In what are you finding the bug?
[14:37] <lfaraone> persia: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/270045
[14:37] <persia> lfaraone: You're using the same version of totem?
[14:38] <lfaraone> persia: yes, afaict.
[14:39] <persia> lfaraone: OK.  And you're using the i386 architecture?
[14:39] <lfaraone> persia: Yes.
[14:40] <copyofjohan> hi, Im getting a bit frustrated about bug 147464. Anyone got an idea how to help with the bug (adding useful informations) or, at least findout if theres work going on?
[14:40] <persia> lfaraone: Also, you might try launching totem in French, in case it's language specific, but it sounds like either there is something else wrong with the system, or it's a support question.
[14:47] <lfaraone> Can someone on bugcontrol set this to low: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/268356
[14:50] <lfaraone> persia: What about something like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267999 ?
[14:51] <persia> That's usually indicative of a hardware issue.  I have a few input devices where I can force the sense of the LED indicator to be incorrect: essentially they aren't reporting the current state to the kernel, and can only be flipped.
[14:51] <lfaraone> persia: so not an ubuntu problem ?
[14:52] <persia> For that, I'd start by getting the information on the specific affected keyboard, and maybe someone who has that keyboard can investigate to see if there's a way to quirk it.
[14:52] <persia> Well, I'd call it wishlist, but I like bugs like that.  They ought to be fixed, even if it just means sending some reset code on device inititialisation.
[14:53] <persia> Where it can't be fixed, and it's known it can't be fixed, the hardware vendor can be notified, and maybe new firmware can be issued.
[14:53] <lfaraone> persia: so it's a "linux" bug?
[14:53] <persia> When this also isn't possible, it can be turned into a hardware support note: "If you have this keyboard, you may need to ensure that the Caps Lock light is off before you boot".
[14:54] <persia> Yeah.  I'd assign it to linux.  The bits that let you turn on and off the light are in the kernel.
[14:54] <lfaraone> persia: plz set to wishlist, then.
[14:55] <lfaraone> persia: as well as 267999.
[14:55] <persia> bug #267999
[14:55] <persia> ubottu: That's OK.  You gave me a URL, which is what I wanted.
[14:56] <lfaraone> Lol: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/267624
[14:56] <persia> But you are wise, which is sufficient for today.
[14:57] <persia> 267999 is already wishlist.
[14:57] <persia> Oh.  It's the same bug :)
[14:58] <lfaraone> persia: Lol.
[15:04] <lfaraone> persia: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/264478 is prolly a bad ram issue, right?
[15:05] <lfaraone> bdmurray: ping
[15:05] <persia> lfaraone: failed to import memory block points in that direction, but I'm not sure.  memtest might be a good place to start.
[15:06] <lfaraone> persia: How long should he run it for?
[15:07] <persia> lfaraone: Dunno.  I've not used memtest much.
[15:22] <lfaraone> persia: The plot thickens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267999 - happens on multiple systems.
[15:23] <persia> lfaraone: Yep.  Like I said, I have a couple devices for which I can make that happen.  The make & model of the keyboard is important, or the make & model of the laptop, if it's a laptop.
[15:24] <persia> It might be that someone accidentally commented out the "reset on initialise" behaviour, but I suspect it's more likely that the keyboards are just different.
[15:24] <lfaraone> persia: I really don't have a clue on how to handle this.
[15:24] <wgrant> Mark it as something other than wishlist, and let the kernel team deal with it.
[15:25] <lfaraone> persia: ok, plz set to low then.
[15:25] <persia> lfaraone: It's just a matter of explaining it's probably that the keyboard isn't properly defined in the device database, and that information about any affected hardware is required in order to help add it to the database.
[15:25] <persia> I don't personally know where that DB lives, so I can't point you at it, but I have sent some input device definitions to people previously, and the devices worked with later updated kernels.
[15:27] <persia> For a workaround, the user should be able to make sure Caps Lock is off when they are in BIOS, and the resulting boot should be correct.  There are still ways to get it wrong, especially if actively switching between virtual consoles and X, but it's harder.
[15:52] <niadh> I have here a bug that I believe exists in gutsy, but not hardy, what do I do?
[15:56] <persia> niadh: Nominate for gutsy, and ask someone to approve the nomination and mark it Fix Released in hardy.
[15:58] <niadh> so status, fixed released (since I can't recreate the bug in hardy) and how do I nominate something?
[15:59] <niadh> The bug in question is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/161862
[15:59] <niadh> wait, not that one
[15:59] <niadh> this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/159629
[15:59] <niadh> Sorry, ignore my first link.
[16:05] <persia> niadh: I'd wait for the nomination to be approved first, so it shows up in the bug lists: I think there's an issue with nominations and bug lists, and haven't heard of it being solved.
[16:05] <niadh> So leave the bug as it is?
[16:08] <persia> Well, nominate it for gutsy.
[16:10] <niadh> How do I do that? I see no option for nominate.
[16:10] <niadh> ait
[16:10] <niadh> never mind
[16:11] <niadh> Yeah it's nominated for gutsy now.
[16:12] <gourgi> how can i obtain backtrace for firefox in intrepid?
[16:12] <gourgi> i use this wiki , but have some problems installing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain a backtrace from an apport crash report (using gdb)
[16:12] <gourgi> sudo apt-get install firefox-dbg
[16:12] <gourgi> Reading package lists... Done
[16:12] <gourgi> Building dependency tree
[16:12] <gourgi> Reading state information... Done
[16:12] <gourgi> Package firefox-dbg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:12] <gourgi> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[16:12] <gourgi> is only available from another source
[16:12] <gourgi> However the following packages replace it:
[16:12] <gourgi>   firefox-2-dbg
[16:12] <gourgi> E: Package firefox-dbg has no installation candidate
[16:13] <gourgi> ops sorry for the chat flood :(
[16:21] <niadh> this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/161862 says in a comment it's a libc6 issue, but I can't find a libc6 package, to attach it to
[19:02] <Hamra> hi, i want to mark bug 275199 as a dup of bug 185479, but 185479 has been incorrectly marked as a dup of bug 132001
[19:14] <hggdh> Hamra, so 185479 will not be a dup anymore?
[19:15] <hggdh> Hamra, if this is the case, just select 'Mark as a duplicate', and clear the bug number there
[19:15] <Hamra> some one noted that 185479 has been accidentally duped, but it was already triaged
[19:17] <Hamra> this comment should explain https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/185479/comments/3
[19:18] <Hamra> never mind, i un-duped it
[19:18] <Hamra> i thought  i had no control over triaged bugs, my mistake
[19:20] <greg-g> thanks for helping Hamra
[21:23] <Hamra> i think bug 275243 is a wishlist
[21:27] <hggdh> Hamra, I have always thought it sort of weird. Yes, I agree it is a wish. A good one, as far as I can understand. Have you checked http://bugs.debian.org to see it this was reported there? If it is, then we could also link the debian bug in here
[21:28] <Hamra> i'll check it in a jiffy
[21:32] <greg-g> I personally see that as a bug, not a feature request
[21:34] <Hamra> is apt-get NOT doing what it's supposed to be doing?
[21:35] <pochu> I agree with greg-g, IMHO it's a low priority bug
[21:35] <pochu> very low though :-)
[21:38] <greg-g> pochu: very low indeed
[21:38] <Hamra> i don't think this is reported in debian's bugs
[21:38] <greg-g> Hamra: a bug in the user interface/display of information is none-the-less a bug
[21:41] <Hamra> maybe, it's just that i'm not the type that fusses about such minor problems
[21:42] <greg-g> Hamra: understandable, however since it show inconsistency and is most liekly an easy fix, why not?
[21:44] <Hamra> so what should i do with this bug?
[21:45] <pochu> I would mark it as triaged and low
[21:50]  * txwikinger wundert sich warum ihn jemand laufend fragt ob es schon schneit
[21:50] <Hamra> i'm not from bug control, i can only confirm it
[21:50] <txwikinger> wrong channel :)
[21:56] <hggdh> :-)
[21:57] <hggdh> Hamra -- so it is a bug, right?
[21:58] <hggdh> Hamra, add in a comment that discussions on the -bugs channel agreed this is a bug, not a wish, and that you are then marking it as such
[21:58] <hggdh> and then I will mark it triaged
[21:58] <hggdh> hi pochu, long time
[22:00] <pochu> hey hggdh, how are you?
[22:00] <Hamra> done
[22:00] <hggdh> good, although life in the US is, right now, ah, interesting
[22:03] <hggdh> thanks Hamra
[22:03] <Hamra> no problem


[15:31] <Hangdom> hello
[17:29] <Hangdom> greetings everybody
[17:30] <Hangdom> anyone there? i have a question about the flickr-pools for wallpapers


[01:53] <diddledan> time for bed
[01:59] <zmoylan-pi> quitter... :-P
[06:13] <MooDoo> howdy all
[06:29] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[06:29] <knightwise> how are you dude
[06:32] <MooDoo> knightwise: yeah not bad, bit tired, early morning start, but ok :)
[06:32] <MooDoo> knightwise: yourself?
[06:35] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:37] <knightwise> hey brobostigon , how are you doing man
[06:38] <brobostigon> not bad, and you?
[06:39] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon
[06:40] <knightwise> doing ok , mornin MooDoo
[06:43] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[06:44] <brobostigon> knightwise: :)
[13:20] <diddledan> why would you even need an internet connected tap?! https://twitter.com/john_lam/status/889837167320727552
[13:21] <zmoylan-pi> in a short story i read in the near future people use home super computers which connect to kitchen tap for cooling...
[13:24] <zmoylan-pi> if you heard of temps dropping you could run taps for a minute every hour or two to prevent burst pipes...
[13:44] <TwistedLucidity> Or, like any sensible person, set the heating to prevent freezing.
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> pipes been underground that might not help
[14:18] <diddledan> freezing pipes aren't a problem. thawing pipes, however... :-p
[14:48] <diddledan> it must be difficult to operate a hotel and related businesses when the world's hackers are all present: https://boingboing.net/2017/07/25/attachments-are-somehow-ok.html
[14:51] <diddledan> I sometimes wonder how many attendees go there to test their own opsec to see if they can manage to not get pwned
[16:56] <diddledan> adobe have announced that we must endure flash for another three more years: https://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2017/07/adobe-flash-update.html
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> think of flash as brexit lite... :-P
[18:58] <DJones> I think its sad that flash is finally being dropped is because Apple wouldn't approve it for ios (assuming what I've read is true), seems like changing one devil for another
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> flash put the nails into their own coffin as the security holes and patches required to fix them made for too many downloads
[19:33] <brobostigon> its good they are killing it off, flash is a massive pain in the backside and the biggest resource hog i can think of.


[00:04] <thumper> nysin: there is a problem with the scanner
[00:04] <thumper> normally it is less than a minute
[00:04] <thumper> we have had a problem since friday
[00:04] <thumper> the problem has been identified
[00:04] <thumper> and a fix is in progress
[00:05] <nysin> okay. Any ETA on completion?
[00:05] <thumper> nysin: reas soon now
[00:05] <nysin> heh
[00:05] <thumper> real
[00:05] <nysin> Well as long as it's a known issue I guess
[00:29]  * danshearer is away: Zzzzzz
[01:28] <thumper> hi all
[01:29] <thumper> it appears that the branch scanning fubar is now un-fubared
[01:30] <kiko> woooo
[01:30] <ahasenack> any particular reason for lp being slow now or is it just me?
[01:31] <kiko> not sure, works okay for me
[01:32] <kiko> reboot!
[01:32] <thumper> ahasenack: which part of lp being slow?
[01:33] <ahasenack> was taking ages to load a bug, it even timedout once or twice
[01:33] <ahasenack> and timeout on the server, not my connection or browser
[01:34] <ahasenack> now it's "unlocked" and working again
[01:34] <ahasenack> thanks, I guess :)
[07:30] <spiv> mwhudson: "Diff of 4865 lines is too long to display richly -- limit is 3000 lines."
[07:30] <spiv> mwhudson: ideally that wouldn't also lose whitespace.  It makes diffs of Python awkward to read :)
[07:30] <spiv> mwhudson: hopefully there's some trivial CSS magic you can tweak to fix that...
[08:15] <KaZeR> how long does it usually take to have the first import of a svn repository done?
[08:20] <dhart> is lp bzr slow for anyone else today?
[08:50] <thumper> KaZeR: it depends, on how large a repo, how long a history and which place it is being imported from
[08:50] <thumper> dhart: what's the problem?
[08:51] <KaZeR> thumper, 13M, 1000 revisions, sourceforge. do you have a rough idea?
[08:53] <dhart> thumper: just slower than usual checkin.
[08:54] <jamesh> KaZeR: have you sent the request to answers.launchpad.net?
[08:55] <thumper> KaZeR: wild stab in the dark, longer than an hour, less than a week
[08:56] <KaZeR> jamesh, yes i did around 2 days ago
[08:56] <KaZeR> thumper, ok thanks
[08:59] <mwhudson> spiv: damnit
[08:59] <mwhudson> spiv: patches welcome etc :)
[08:59] <thumper> KaZeR: I've just started the import, it was only half done :-|
[09:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:08] <Hobbsee> mpt: evening!
[09:17]  * soren kicks bazaar.lp.net
[09:20] <soren> I presume it's well-known that bazaar.lp.net is uselessly slow right now?
[09:21] <thumper> soren: I'm just checking it
[09:21] <soren> thumper: Thanks :)
[11:09] <mtaylor> does launchpad have a set of IPs it mirrors branches from?
[11:09] <mtaylor> like, if I wanted launchpad to mirror a branch, but didn't want to open that location up to the world (except through launchpad) ?
[11:12] <Ng> mtaylor: <IP_ADDRESS>/21 is canonical's current IP allocation, which you could narrow down to a /24 if you particularly want, although I don't believe we guarantee not to change the IPs of our scanners within our allocation
[11:13] <mtaylor> Ng: thanks
[11:36] <mtaylor> Ng: any way to hide the location that launchpad is using to mirror from?
[11:38] <Ng> mtaylor: sorry, I'm not sure about that - I'm a sysadmin not a launchpad developer :)
[11:38] <mtaylor> Ng: fair enough :)
[12:38] <thumper> mtaylor: no, not right now
[12:41] <mtaylor> thumper: k. thanks
[13:08] <KaZeR> thumper, np, thanks :)
[13:21] <soren> On edge, I can set a team's membership policy to "(no value)"... What does that do?
[13:28] <spiv> soren: try it on staging and see what happens?
[13:29] <soren> spiv: Heh. Ok.
[13:29] <spiv> (my guess is a bug, though)
[13:30] <soren> Heh... That option is not available on staging :)
[13:30] <spiv> Heh.
[14:07] <hakan__> why is that launchpad is so slow for browsing repositories?
[14:16] <spiv> hakan__: it shouldn't be atm, afaik
[14:16]  * spiv -> bed
[14:23] <hakan__> for instance try: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bk-merge/mysql/mysql-6.0-falcon/files
[15:07] <mib_m26n6d> Is lp.net working for others? I'm unable to access it here.
[15:08] <oojah> mib_m26n6d: Works for me.
[15:09] <mib_m26n6d> ok, My gateway is even more broken than I thought then. Thanks.
[16:33] <mtaylor> is there a way to delete a bogus release series? or do I just need to file a launchpad answers question?
[16:34] <mtaylor> also, when I submit a branch for merging, it doesn't seem to send any emails to the owner of the merge target about this
[17:19] <sidnei> hello, does the vcs import on launchpad.net support svn:externals? how does that get imported?
[17:32] <Kaleo> sidnei: bzr does not support svn externals yet
[17:32] <sidnei> so how does it get imported?
[18:07]  * danshearer is away: whoops have to rush off home
[20:36] <emgent> heya people
[21:27] <visik7> hi everybody
[21:27] <visik7> is there a command line tool to open search close ecc... bugs on launchpad ?
[21:29] <cody-somerville> visik7, There is a python module
[21:30] <visik7> so no problem ipython -p pysh :D
[21:30] <beuno> visik7, or, you can use email: https://help.launchpad.net/BugTrackerEmailInterface
[21:31] <visik7> email make me sick :) and moreover is the main reason I never commit a bug report or a translation to debian
[21:32] <kiko> visik7, look for the ubuntu package python-launchpad-bugs
[21:33] <visik7> yeah got it thanks
[21:34] <kiko> sure thingo
[21:36] <bdmurray> Is there a way to find out who is subscribed to an lp mailing list I administer?
[21:40] <geser> bdmurray: should there be a list of subscribers you can see as an admin?
[21:41] <bdmurray> geser: I haven't found a link like that
[21:41] <bdmurray> but that is what I'm looking for
[21:42] <geser> bdmurray: login into http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/<list> and goto Membership Management -> Membership List
[21:43] <kiko> geser, lp mailing list, though. barry?
[21:43] <geser> ah
[21:43] <mdke> i thought the only subscribers are the group members?  Doh
[21:45] <mdke> barry: will there be a possibility for non members to subscribe?
[21:46] <tormod> hi, I think the clocks on the ppa builders are skewed. I get "back to the future" build failures.
[21:46] <barry> mdke: non-launchpad members, definitely not.  non-team members, no, but there are ways for non-team members to interact with a ml in a casual way
[21:47] <barry> mdke: soon they will be able to post (with some initial approval required) to mls they are not subscribed to and later, they'll be able to lurk on lists they aren't sub'd to
[21:47] <mdke> barry: what is meant by lurk? receive emails?
[21:48] <barry> mdke: for public lists, yes
[21:48] <mdke> barry: great, that's what I had in mind.
[21:48] <mdke> barry: so non-public lists are also planned? sorry for all the questions
[21:48] <barry> mdke: since they can already read the archives, why not let them read it in a good interface (i.e. their mail reader :)
[21:48] <mdke> yeah, indeed
[21:48] <barry> mdke: yes, they are planned
[21:49] <mdke> cool
[21:49] <barry> mdke: no worries!  happy to answer questions
[21:49] <mdke> barry: one last one - do you know of any possible milestone for bug 223797?
[21:50] <kiko> tormod, really? that's annoying. can you forward a failure to the -users mailing list so I can get IS to fix it?
[21:50] <barry> mdke: i don't atm.  it requires a db change so probably not in 1.2.6
[21:50] <mdke> barry: right, i saw it was unmilestoned for 1.2.6. Ok, thanks for all the info, very helpful
[21:51] <barry> sure thing!
[21:52] <tormod> kiko, can I mail IS directly?
[21:53] <kiko> tormod, hmm, I think you can at rt.ubuntu.com? not 100% sure.
[21:53] <kiko> elmo, ping?
[21:54] <elmo> ?
[21:55] <kiko> elmo, did you see tormod's comment above about buildd time skew?
[21:55] <elmo> oh, that shouldn't be possible
[21:55] <tormod> kiko, ok so what is IS anyway :) hah you're using RT internally, instead of launchpad?
[21:55] <kiko> and his question about who to email
[21:55] <elmo> tormod<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:55] <kiko> tormod, IS does, yeah. information systems. anyway, elmo, really?
[21:56] <elmo> kiko: really, what?
[21:56] <kiko> that shouldn't be possible?
[21:56] <elmo> yeah
[21:56] <elmo> our sbuild runs ntpdate against the gateway box before the build
[21:56] <elmo> and the gateway boxes are definitely in sync (nagios etc.)
[21:57] <elmo> but I'll have infinity look into it
[21:57] <elmo> tormod: please include a link to an example failed build
[21:57] <kiko> tormod, if you can CC<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on that email I will appreciate it
[21:57] <elmo> (you can also file a bug in LP about this - it's really a soyuz thing)
[21:57] <elmo> I've no idea why we "own" sbuild, but that should be changed eventually
[21:57] <tormod> I just rekicked the build, so the failed log is lost I guess.
[21:58] <elmo> tormod: doh
[21:58] <elmo> (I hate that 'feature' of LP)
[21:58] <tormod> I can try to fish it from Firefox cache :)
[22:02] <tormod> no it's lost, since the build number is the same for the new build
[22:03] <bdmurray> barry: How can I determine which team members to contact about subscribing to the list without knowing who is already subscribed?
[22:03] <tormod> well I got it finally
[22:04] <barry> bdmurray: team members should get a notification when the team mailing list is created.  unfortunately there's no way to know about the subscribers short of making an LP admin request for the information
[22:05] <tormod> I can actually see the NTP sync in the build log, stepped 597 seconds.
[22:05] <barry> bdmurray: actually, if your team's contact address is 'team members individually', you could generate a question, but that's a bit of a crufty way to contact them!
[22:21] <barry> leonardr: ping
[22:21] <barry> leonardr: unping
[22:21] <leonardr> barry, are you teasing me?
[23:20] <emgent> hello
[23:21] <emgent> i dont see in menu project how to set bug supervisor and security contact
[23:21] <beuno> emgent, under the bugs tab
[23:21] <emgent> during UDS i talked about it with launchpad devel, and reply to me that this is a bug
[23:21] <emgent> someone know direct url ?
[23:21] <beuno> then the menu on the left-hand side changes
[23:22] <beuno> emgent, http://bugs.launchpad.net/project
[23:22] <emgent> oh thanks
[23:22] <beuno> :)
[23:23] <emgent> done :P
[23:58] <spiv> hakan__: viewing that branch seems ok to me


[20:51] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue795 up for review and final edits - distraught from life's calamities - intense proofreading is warrented: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue795 :D