[06:15] <pitti> Good morning
[06:16] <pitti> jtaylor: it failed due to "python-tables : Depends: python-tables-lib (>= 3.1.1-0ubuntu1) but 3.1.0-2ubuntu1 is to be installed", it was uninstallable at that time; I'll retry it
[06:43] <pitti> doko: thanks for the apport speedup patch! I reuploaded with the missing extra import, see bug report
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:08] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber: sorry for missing the meeting last night, I felt quite bad; FTR, I thought I +1'ed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu%20Kylin/Ubuntu%20Kylin%20Archive on the ML already
[07:44] <Laibsch> Is a pbuilder chroot with build-essential installed but missing the initscripts package considered complete or not (AKA broken)?
[07:50] <infinity> Laibsch: How would you have created such a chroot?  debootstrap wouldn't let you, and apt would yell at you when you start removing required packages.
[07:52] <Laibsch> aptitude didn't yell at me, it seems
[07:54] <infinity> Oh, actually, apt won't either.
[07:55] <infinity> Laibsch: So, no, that wouldn't be "broken" from a policy perspective, FWIW.  "build-essential" consists of "essential" + "build-essential", not required.
[07:55] <infinity> Laibsch: From a "will Ubuntu consider that a sane and supportable system" perspective, though, it's totally broken. :)
[07:55] <infinity> So, it depends on your context.
[07:55] <Laibsch> so, if a package required the mountall command which is in initscripts but didn't specify that build-dependency is the package broken?
[07:56] <infinity> But thanks for pointing out, in a roundabout way, that upstart is no longer transitively essential.  I can knock that out of the LP chroots for 14.10  \o/
[07:56] <infinity> Laibsch: Yes.
[07:56] <Laibsch> OK
[07:56] <infinity> Laibsch: Though, I assume you mean in the mountall package...
[07:56] <Laibsch> reopening bug 1307883, then
[07:57] <FourDollars> pitti: Hi. Could you help me check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1303819 on precise?
[07:57] <Laibsch> openjdk-7-jre calls mountall in postinst but does not declare a dependency (run-time, actually)
[07:58] <infinity> Laibsch: Hrm, I don't see it calling mountall.
[07:58] <infinity> Laibsch: I just see it wanting /proc mounted.
[07:58] <infinity> Laibsch: And a system without proc mounted is absolutely broken.
[07:58] <Laibsch> sorry
[07:58] <Laibsch> mountall
[07:58] <Laibsch>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates-java.postinst: line 90: mountpoint: command not found
[07:58] <FourDollars> pitti: oops. sorry.  I found it at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1.
[07:59] <Laibsch> and now that I look at it the problem might be in ca-certificates-java, not the jre
[07:59] <Laibsch> infinity: proc is mounted
[07:59] <pitti> FourDollars: right, it's waiting for the SRU team to review/accept
[07:59] <infinity> Laibsch: Oh, yeah, I can't read.
[07:59] <Laibsch> infinity: relax, me neither ;-)
[08:00] <infinity> Laibsch: So yes, indeed, that has a runtime dep on initscripts, which isn't Essential, so should be declared.
[08:00] <FourDollars> pitti: I see. Thanks.
[08:00] <Laibsch> infinity: thanks, I reopened the ticket.  against the correct package.
[08:03] <pitti> I never quite understood how "Priority: required" packages are not actually required; it seems odd having to declare a dependency to such a package
[08:04] <Laibsch> infinity: actually, openjdk-7-jre is affected as well verified by the line
[08:04] <Laibsch>   /var/lib/dpkg/info/openjdk-7-jre-headless:i386.postinst: 18: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openjdk-7-jre-headless:i386.postinst: mountpoint: not found
[08:05] <infinity> pitti: "required" is meant to be required for a running Debian system (ie: it's the smallest set you can expect to function meaningfully as a computer), but you still need to depend on them, and they still aren't needed for build-deps.
[08:05] <infinity> Laibsch: So, this is a slight regression in that initscripts used to be transitively Essential due to things depending on upstart in the Essential set.
[08:06] <infinity> That said, it was never Essential:yes, so deps should exist.
[08:07] <infinity> Frankly, I think it's a glorious feature that upstart and udev aren't accidentally in the Essential set anymore.
[08:08] <infinity> And initscripts isn't essential in Debian either, afair.
[08:08] <infinity> Oh, no.  It is.
[08:08]  * infinity ponders how and why.
[08:09] <infinity> Oh, util-linux depends on it directly.
[08:09] <infinity> So, that could solve other buggy packages here.
[08:11] <Laibsch> I've put initscripts into the EXTRAPACKAGES variable in ~/.pbuilderrc for now but somehow it doesn't seem to get installed upon "pbuilder-dist trusty build $blah.dsc" invocation.  Am I misunderstanding "man 5 pbuilderrc"?
[08:11] <infinity> I don't speak pbuilder.
[08:12] <pitti> Laibsch: I don't use pbuilder either, but my suspicion is that this only applies to pbuilder create, and perhaps update, but not build
[08:13] <Laibsch>        EXTRAPACKAGES="ccache lintian XXX"
[08:13] <Laibsch>               Specifies  extra  packages which the system should install in the chroot on pbuilder create.  This is a space-delimited list.  Also this is installed on pbuilder build
[08:13] <Laibsch> from the manpage
[08:13] <Laibsch> "Also ..."
[08:13] <pitti> yes, I know, but it might not actually behave that way
[08:13] <Laibsch> I see
[08:13] <Laibsch> it looks like it
[08:13] <pitti> it's just a suspicion
[08:13] <Laibsch> what are people using these days for building?
[08:13] <pitti> sbuild + apt-cacher-ng + tmpfs = ♥
[08:14] <Laibsch> I've heard a lot of new commands thrown around
[08:14] <Laibsch> I'm already using acng
[08:14] <Laibsch> love, certainly when my download speed drops to less than 10Kbit (yes, bit) out in the jungle ;-)
[08:14] <infinity> cjwatson: Left here for when you get in, an opinion on sanity of approach of comment 3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates-java/+bug/1307883
[08:15] <pitti> Laibsch: heh, or when I build packages offline in a train or plane :) but even at home acng is over a magnitude faster than real internet
[08:15] <infinity> acng + tmpfs is the best thing ever.
[08:15] <infinity> Instant build-deps.
[08:16] <Laibsch> how does the tmpfs come into play? I assume it's for speed reasons
[08:16] <pitti> infinity: yeah, that's why I sticked 16 GB into my new laptop (also for LXC/qemu), it just rocks :)
[08:16] <pitti> Laibsch: yes; muchly
[08:16] <Laibsch> how to use?
[08:16] <Laibsch> what do you mount on tmpfs?
[08:16] <pitti> even on a 500 MB/s SSD the difference is significant, mostly due to fsync and friends
[08:16] <infinity> Laibsch: Yeah, doing union (aufs or overlayfs) builds backed in tmpfs, so file ops are instant and cleanup is quick.
[08:17] <pitti> /var/lib/schroot/union/overlay -> /tmp
[08:17] <pitti> /var/lib/schroot/unpack -> /tmp
[08:17] <infinity> pitti: I don't bother with the second one.
[08:17] <pitti> infinity: I use tarballs for most of my schroots, so I need both
[08:17] <geser> Laibsch: mount a tmpfs on /var/cache/pbuilder/build (if you using pbuilder)
[08:17] <infinity> pitti: Oh, right.
[08:18] <infinity> geser: Is that a filesystem overlay, or just the directory where the build happens?
[08:18] <pitti> and of course 'none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0' in /etc/fstab, something which we should have done ages ago on systems with >= 2 GB RAM
[08:18] <infinity> Cause I/O matters almost nothing to the build itself, it's the build-dep install that hurts.
[08:19] <geser> infinity: in case of pbuilder: pbuilder extracts there the base.tar.gz, performs the build there (in a chroot) and removes it again when done
[08:19] <infinity> pitti: My /tmp routinely grows a lot more than 2G of cruft between reboots.  That wouldn't be a sane default without a better cleaning cron job.
[08:19] <infinity> geser: Ahh, kay.  So, the whole thing.  That would do, yes.
[08:20] <pitti> and other tweaks are things like "export-dir = /tmp/build-area/" in ~/.gbp.conf
[08:22] <Laibsch> My computer still has only 2G of RAM, frequently well-filled by FF.  Is mounting /var/cache/pbuilder/build on tmpfs still a good idea or is the worst that would happen that overflow would be dropped to swap and thus no gain in speed?  I wouldn't like my machine to crash or crawl to a halt when building a large package.
[08:23]  * Laibsch reminds himself to get more RAM next time when back in civilization
[08:23] <pitti> Laibsch: no, if /tmp is full there is no automatic overflow to swap
[08:23] <pitti> things will just go haywire
[08:24] <Laney> how does changelogs.u.c work?
[08:24] <Laibsch> OK, I'll postpone the speed optimization, then.
[08:24] <Laney> I think something has gone wrong with it updating
[08:24] <seb128> Laney, mvo probably knows
[08:26] <mvo> Laney: there is a lp-changelogs-crawler running on changelogs.u.c
[08:26] <mvo> Laney: it appears I do not have a login anymore, hrm
[08:29] <Laney> mvo: Go abuse IS into giving you it back :P
[08:29] <mvo> Laney: I send a rt and asked for access
[08:29] <Laney> Seems it hasn't updated since last Thursday-ish
[08:29] <Laney> did a little bisect using trusty-changes
[08:43] <jibel> mvo, could you have a look at bug 1307904 ? It's an edge case, only grep:i386 is installed on a 64bit system. The upgrader replaces grep:i386 by grep:amd64 on upgrade but finally refuses the upgrade because grep:i386 is removed
[08:44] <mvo> jibel: sure
[08:57] <bipul> I am looking for networking team, to work with them.
[08:59] <bipul> Any one around? who can help me with my query ?
[09:00] <mvo> jibel: fixed
[09:01] <jibel> mvo, thanks
[09:05] <mvo> jibel: thank you!
[09:10] <zyga> bipul: what do you mean by 'the networking team'
[09:11] <bipul> zyga, any ubuntu projects related to networking.
[09:11] <zyga> bipul: I don't think there is a team of that kind
[09:12] <zyga> bipul: if you can be more precise than networking then you might find what you are looking for
[09:12] <bipul> zyga, or any development team, related to programming.
[09:12] <zyga> bipul: ubuntu is developed by a large number of distributed people
[09:13] <zyga> bipul: perhaps you should just ask your question
[09:14] <bipul> zyga, I am looking for a development team where i can do contribution and also to learn.
[09:15] <zyga> bipul: so hang around, there is no team pe se, there are just people that do stuff, you may be interested in signing up to the mailing list and look at discussions there, if you know programming you should look at upstream projects (the ones that ubuntu and debian package) and contribute your efforts there
[09:16] <bipul> where i can get the upstream projects ?
[09:17] <zyga> bipul: wherever they are hosted, for example you can find out about network-manager using:
[09:17] <zyga> apt-cache show network-manager | grep Homepage
[10:36] <zyga> following sbuild page on the debian wiki (https://wiki.debian.org/sbuild) I got to the part with piuparts, I used the sid chroot (as in the example) but for some reason piuparts wants to setup a saucy chroot (?!), does anyone here use piuparts along with sbuild?
[10:45] <zyga> looking at the source I see this is hardcoded
[10:47] <zyga> pitti: is this worth fixing for trusty?
[10:47] <pitti> zyga: sounds easy enough, and it's certainly not on any image
[10:47] <zyga> pitti: I have a debdiff, what should I do with it?
[10:48] <pitti> zyga: subscribe sponsors for now; I'll try to have a look in the next hours
[10:48] <zyga> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254566/
[10:48] <zyga> ko
[10:48] <zyga> pitti: so open a bug on the trusty package, attach the debdiff and subscribe sponsors, anything else?
[10:49] <pitti> that sounds like the usual approach
[10:49] <zyga> ok, thanks
[10:49] <pitti> zyga: if the release team is happy for it to go in without a bug, I can also just upload the debdiff
[10:50] <pitti> zyga: but at least this warrants a Debian bug -- this certainly shoudln't hardcode "saucy" but use /etc/os-release
[10:50] <zyga> pitti: it's more "smart" than that, it has several profiles
[10:51] <pitti> meh, and it even calls lsb_release already
[10:51] <geser> perhaps it should use python-distro-info instead to get the devel release
[10:51] <pitti> zyga: anyway, uploaded; please do the above if the release team wants bug reports at this point
[10:54] <zyga> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/piuparts/+bug/1307995
[10:54] <zyga> pitti: uploaded as in you've fixed this in the archive?
[10:55] <pitti> zyga: as in I uploaded your debdiff
[10:55] <pitti> zyga: I'll reupload with that bug ref
[10:55] <zyga> pitti: ah, thanks
[10:55] <pitti> zyga: oh, it was auto-accepted: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/piuparts/0.56ubuntu1
[10:55] <pitti> seems universe still isn't deep-frozen
[10:56] <zyga> pitti: cool, thanks :-)
[10:56] <zyga> pitti: so should I do anything else at this time or is this enough?
[10:58] <pitti> zyga: seems fine; a Debian bug about this would be nice though
[10:58] <zyga> pitti: ok, I'll try to do that
[10:58]  * zyga keeps forgetting how to use reportbug on ubuntu to target debian
[10:59] <Laney> pitti / jibel: Would it be a good idea to add -o IdentitiesOnly=yes to etc/config in lp:auto-package-testing?
[10:59] <Laney> I was just getting the old 'too many authenticaiton failures'
[11:02] <pitti> Laney: I don't know what that does, I'm afraid
[11:03] <Laney> pitti: Basically makes it ignore the agent provided identities and just use the one given on the commandline
[11:05] <pitti> Laney: seems to work alright here
[11:05] <Laney> It happens if you have a lot of identities in the agent
[11:06] <pitti> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7254656/ ?
[11:06] <Laney> lgtm
[11:06] <pitti> Laney: pushed
[11:06] <Laney> cheers
[11:07] <Laney> I ought to figure out if all of these keys are really necessary
[11:07]  * Laney gives that problem to future Laney to solve
[11:07] <pitti> in your agent, you mean?
[11:07] <Laney> yep
[11:15] <dpm> hi cjwatson, I've got a website that reports the status of translations for the packages included in a default distro installation (as opposed to LP reporting everything in main). A while ago you explained me how I could find out this list of packages for a desktop installation through the seeds. So the list of seeds to expand that you gave me for the desktop (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubuntu-translations-stats/trunk/view/head:/stats/management/c
[11:15] <dpm> ommands/utils/distropackages.py#L42) has worked very well so far. I'm now trying to report translation status for the phone. Can I also do this using the same method? I.e. is there a list of seeds that I can use to determine all packages from a default phone installation?
[11:18] <LocutusOfBorg1> dholbach, you there?
[11:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> I saw your comment on the sync request
[11:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> maybe is faster to discuss here
[11:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[11:36] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, I just wanted to generally provide some links to how to get an upload considered for backports/SRUs
[11:36] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, but sure... how can I help?
[11:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> I would like to have it for trusty
[11:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[11:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> sorry leaving
[11:37] <dholbach> ... ok
[11:38] <dholbach> for whoever is wondering what this was about, here's the link: bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flex/+bug/1307604
[11:43] <shadeslayer> dpm: ping
[11:43] <shadeslayer> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1267763 < needs adding to langpack-o-matic
[11:43] <dpm> hey shadeslayer
[11:44] <dpm> shadeslayer, you'll need to ping pitti for the langpack-o-matic side of things
[11:45] <shadeslayer> pitti: ^^
[11:46] <shadeslayer> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1278142
[11:48] <shadeslayer> dpm: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/kde-config-whoopsie/+imports < templates are imported but not approved?
[11:48] <dpm> shadeslayer, if the're imported, they've been approved :)
[11:48] <shadeslayer> ah I see
[11:48] <dpm> the workflow is Needs Review > Approved > Imported
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[11:49] <shadeslayer> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intltool/+bug/953342 < needs intltool release
[11:51] <geser> does somebody have any opinion what do with myspell-st (src:dict-st)? it looks like it fails in post-inst since precise (bug 980130). The package is in main but was never in Debian so is essentially unmaintained.
[11:51] <dpm> shadeslayer, I know. You might want to ping danilo and dobey as intltool maintainers for a new release
[11:52] <shadeslayer> dobey: ^^ could we get a release pretty please :)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1267765
[11:55] <shadeslayer> pitti: all 3 need to be added to langpack-o-matic
[11:56] <Laney> geser: The postinst is automatically generated & a no-change rebuild gets rid of it
[11:56] <Laney> I don't know if the package works or does anything useful though
[11:57] <Laney> It does at least ship files in useful locations...
[11:58] <geser> me neither, but I try to get a SRU for it in the next days to fix this error at least
[11:58] <Laney> I think there are other myspell-* packages that do the same
[12:30] <pitti> shadeslayer: hm, why aren't these in kde-l10n-*?
[12:30] <pitti> shadeslayer: I thought the -base packages only contained the kubuntu specific strings?
[12:32] <pitti> shadeslayer: driver-manager added
[13:09] <shadeslayer> pitti: because at the very least whoopsie/driver manager are kubuntu specific things
[13:09] <shadeslayer> and not part of sc
[13:10] <pitti> shadeslayer: yes, I added that
[13:10] <shadeslayer> pitti: whoopsie too?
[13:10] <pitti> shadeslayer: I was wondering about kdesudo
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ah that, I  am unsure, apachelogger ^^
[13:11] <pitti> shadeslayer: whoopsie? I didn't see that bug
[13:11] <apachelogger> space ships, what?
[13:11] <apachelogger> kdesudo is kubuntu specific right now
[13:11] <apachelogger> perhaps we'll get to change that some time not too far in the future
[13:11] <pitti> shadeslayer: ah, doing now
[13:11] <shadeslayer> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1267763
[13:13] <cjwatson> dpm: For the phone I think it's minimal plus the sdk-libs and touch seeds in the ubuntu-touch seed collection, but sanity-check that against reality
[13:15] <pitti> shadeslayer: all done
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: is bug 1201485 still actually an issue?
[13:17] <seb128> pitti, no, it's launchpad fix released, the other lines are probably invalid
[13:17] <pitti> seb128: ah, so PPA copying copies along the translations.tar.gz now? nice
[13:17] <seb128> pitti, I didn't especially check but I didn't notice outdated templates/missing translations so I think the fix is working as it should
[13:17] <seb128> pitti, I think so
[13:18] <pitti> the MP times out to load
[13:18] <pitti> seb128: ack, thanks
[13:19] <seb128> pitti, yw!
[13:24] <MacSlow> Saviq, hm... the input filterarea doesn't work reliably... it's swallowing input when on the dash, but not in apps... investigating
[13:24] <MacSlow> Saviq, MouseArea I meant
[13:24] <Saviq> MacSlow, yeah, you need to use an InputFilterArea
[13:25] <Saviq> MacSlow, as well, that is
[13:26] <MacSlow> Saviq, but it (the modal-backgrounds MouseArea) swallows input for the Dash... that's confusing me a bit
[13:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, those are separate surfaces
[13:26] <Saviq> MacSlow, all the shell is one, so you can use a MouseArea to prevent input reaching other layers of the shell
[13:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, but the apps are completely separate clients, they don't know about Shell's MouseAreas, nor does Mir
[13:27] <cjwatson> pitti: Yeah, Ursula fixed LP to copy translations along with everything else back in October
[13:27] <Saviq> MacSlow, InputFilterArea is communicating to Mir that input in this area should not be delivered to clients
[13:27] <MacSlow> Saviq, I changed my branch to use an InputFilterArea... cross-compiling now and then testing it
[13:28] <Saviq> MacSlow, you probably need both (MA for dash, IFA for other apps)
[13:28] <MacSlow> hm... ok
[13:28] <Saviq> MacSlow, FWIW that will change with Qt compositor, as apps there will be just as any other object in the QML scene, so MA will be enough
[13:30] <dpm> cjwatson, ok, I'll try, thanks!
[13:46] <dpm> cjwatson, for the core apps click packages that are installed by default: can I find them out via the seeds too? I guess not, so I'm wondering where to find out the default clicks, so that I can also use them to create the phone translation stats
[13:48] <cjwatson> dpm: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/click_packages/click_list
[13:48] <dpm> aha, perfect, thanks cjwatson
[14:36] <kdeuser56> pitti: what steps would have to be taken to enable dbgsym creation for the mainline kernel ppa?
[15:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi dholbach
[15:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> still there?
[15:14] <jamespage> bdmurray, if you are around, can you reject the juju-core upload from the saucy SRU queue
[15:15] <jamespage> bdmurray, I need to pull a bit out after some discussion with upstream
[15:15] <bdmurray> jamespage: sure, rejections are easy!
[15:16] <jamespage> bdmurray, the change drops one of the 'features' introduced so it should make life a bit easier
[15:16] <bdmurray> arges: speaking of SRUs could you look at whoopsie in saucy and whoopsie-daisy in precise?
[15:17] <arges> bdmurray: sure
[15:19] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, as I said earlier... I was looking at the request generally - I don't have much of an idea of flex and can't judge it going into trusty - AFAICS trusty is "done" now
[15:19] <arges> bdmurray: so how come whoopsie doesn't have an ubuntu version?
[15:19] <arges> .33->.34
[15:20] <bdmurray> arges: because it is only in ubuntu
[15:21] <arges> bdmurray: but whoopsie has an ubuntu version?
[15:21] <arges> err whoopsie-daisy doesn't but whoopsie does
[15:21] <jamespage> bdmurray, OK - I uploaded a new version minus the 'update-bootstrap' plugin.
[15:22] <jamespage> bdmurray, the only other bit that's a bit hand wavey is bug 1254729
[15:23] <bdmurray> arges: looks like I made a mistake in the versioning back in january
[15:23] <infinity> arges: Eh?  You just mean the <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 in saucy-updates?  That's pretty much just the uploader of that SRU being silly, it should have been <IP_ADDRESS>.1
[15:23] <arges> bdmurray: infinity ack. So just leave the new version as <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 or should that be <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[15:23] <arges> or even <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1.1
[15:23] <jamespage> bdmurray, for which I'm proposing smoke testing to ensure nothing regressed (bearing in mind I've been using 1.16.6 with MAAS and OpenStack since Jan I've not seen any issues)
[15:23] <infinity> arges: <IP_ADDRESS>.2, I would argue.
[15:24] <infinity> arges: Note the .1 in the middle there that you missed.  I assume <IP_ADDRESS> already existed in history.
[15:24] <LocutusOfBorg1> dholbach, fair enough, I think the same
[15:24] <arges> infinity: yup that's what i meant
[15:24] <infinity> Yeah https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/whoopsie/<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:24] <LocutusOfBorg1> so, do you think is good to sync for "u" and SRU it, right?
[15:25] <infinity> arges: So, yeah, <IP_ADDRESS>.2, and for bonus points, you could rertoactively changes the 1ubuntu1 entry in the changelog to .1.1 and wipe it out of history. ;)
[15:25] <arges> infinity: sure.   bdmurray mind if i handle that for you and you can approve?
[15:26] <bdmurray> arges: I'm mostly done with that change
[15:26] <arges> bdmurray: ok let me know and i'll rereview
[15:27] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, you might want to read the SRU wiki page again
[15:27] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, it explains quite well what SRU material is and what isn't
[15:28] <dholbach> and to me it looks like there's quite a bunch of changes in that release (even if they all / or the majority are bug fixes)
[15:33] <bdmurray> arges: uploaded
[15:34] <arges> bdmurray: ok accepted
[15:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> dholbach, maybe I can ask to the official developer a feedback? I know there is a line between SRU and backports, and it is difficult to choose sometimes
[15:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> they make many releases, but always with small changes
[15:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> and only bug fix
[15:36] <arges> infinity : so the new queue for precise: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=0 these look like SRU updates, but somehow are here. should they be treated as SRUs, or is there another process these are waiting on.
[15:36] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, if you can explain in the bug report why it's important to have the upload and what kind of testing you've done and what the impact might be, I think that'd help a lot
[15:36] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, then you could get an answer from the release team
[15:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, anyway let's wait for the release, and the sync
[15:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> after I'll try to test it as deeply as I can
[15:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> with maybe some upstream help
[15:37] <dholbach> ok cool
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg1> BTW do you know why network-manager in precise is still in proposed queue?
[15:38] <LocutusOfBorg1> the tag verification-needed has been changed in verification-done
[15:38] <infinity> arges: They're SRUs, though also new binaries, so worth a cursory NEW review before otherwise SRU processing.
[15:38] <cyphermox> most likely just because nobody noticed.
[15:38] <cjwatson> arges: there's an LP bug that packages added entirely new post-release tend to be mistreated as NEW thereafter
[15:38] <infinity> arges: If you treat them as an SRU of the previous versioned packages (ie: debdiff against nvidia-thing-319 or whatever), you can get a pretty good idea of the state of things.
[15:39] <cjwatson> because four different subtly wrong ancestry calculation implementations
[15:39] <infinity> arges: And then they also need to have overrides applied, though I can do that in the queue right now.
[15:39] <arges> cjwatson: infinity : gotcha. I can review them if that ok.
[15:40] <mvo> jibel: re bug #1308056 - do you have that system available? what do you have in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/, could you pastebin or mail this to me please?
[15:41] <arges> infinity: these aren't even diffed against that there is already nvidia-graphics-drivers-331-331.20ubuntu0.0.1, this is just ubuntu0.0.2
[15:41] <infinity> arges: Alright, overrides fixed in the queue, if you want to review them.
[15:41] <arges> infinity: ok thanks
[15:41] <dholbach> LocutusOfBorg1, no idea - sorry
[15:41] <infinity> arges: Oh, those are already in in a previous version?
[15:41] <arges> infinity:  nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 | 331.20-0ubuntu0.0.1 | precise-updates/restricted | source
[15:41] <infinity> arges: In that case, yeah, just a lanuchpad bug that they're in NEW.
[15:41] <infinity> arges: So, treat like any other SRU.
[15:42] <arges> ok cool. just trying to not mess stuff up
[15:42] <infinity> arges: Well, was good to ask just so an AA could fix the overrides anyway.
[16:00] <xnox> GunnarHj: hey, are you around? i have a few regressions w.r.t. to incomplete language support.
[16:00] <xnox> GunnarHj: i believe it's related to previous SRUs you have done, together with the recent ubiquity bug you reported and a few other things that landed in the language-selector and account services.
[16:00] <xnox> specifically bug #1103547
[16:00] <xnox> bug #1134364
[16:24] <ogra_> xnox, your "remove all py2 from touch" hasnt happened yet, has it ?
[16:26] <xnox> ogra_: no, because my fixes are not getting merged and released.
[16:26] <ogra_> ok
[16:26] <xnox> ogra_: do you want a list of my merge proposals?
[16:26] <xnox> ogra_: ditto qt4 removal.
[16:27] <ogra_> just wanted to be sure, since the image scratches the 500M edge
[16:31] <xnox> GunnarHj: i'm thinking of landing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7256183/
[16:34] <GunnarHj> xnox: Thanks for letting me know. I'll comment on it in a few minutes.
[16:34] <Laney> xnox: patching a patch?
[16:34] <Laney> (0009-language-tools.patch)
[16:34] <xnox> GunnarHj: please review it.
[16:35] <xnox> Laney: also see plymouth - i think that patches patches of patches.
[16:35] <Laney> seems unideal
[16:37] <xnox> GunnarHj: please review, basically the problem is that "/usr/share/language-tools/language-options" says that "fr" is not needed to be installed, when it is not installed, but one did $ locale-gen fr_FR.utf8
[16:37] <xnox> GunnarHj: (as in the state one gets into after offline installation, which configured locale, set incomplete locale flag and did not install the langpacks/hunspell/etc)
[16:38] <GunnarHj> xnox: Will check it out indeed. I thought otherwise, but will check.
[16:39] <Laney> Please do merge it into the first patch
[16:39] <xnox> GunnarHj: interrsection is suppose to mean - desired, valid, not fully installed.
[16:39] <xnox> Laney: yeah, i will. In a sec.
[16:39] <Laney> Ta
[16:39] <GunnarHj> xnox: Please give me a few minutes.
[16:40] <xnox> GunnarHj: i'm still testing it, this is not even in the queue for the release team yet. Take as long as you need, it was not trivial for me to hunt down.
[16:41] <xnox> GunnarHj: in fact, we were hoping you would show up to review this =))))
[16:41] <Laney> xnox: well done finding it
[16:41] <GunnarHj> xnox: Ok. ;)
[16:41] <Laney> $translation_dirs{$_} = 1 for readdir $dh;
[16:41] <Laney> oh perl, you so kooky
[16:42] <GunnarHj> Laney: Don't pick on Perl.
[16:44] <xnox> GunnarHj: Laney: updated debdiff http://paste.ubuntu.com/7256240/
[16:46] <GunnarHj> xnox: Ok, thanks. Makes more sense to change the existing patch.
[17:11] <tjaalton> why on earth do ppa builds insist on building indep targets on amd64 too?
[17:12] <cjwatson> They don't ...
[17:12] <tjaalton> do for me
[17:12] <cjwatson> Your debian/rules is broken then
[17:12] <tjaalton> it's krb5
[17:12] <cjwatson> Example?
[17:12] <cjwatson> Like a +build
[17:12] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/~sssd/+archive/updates/+build/5911824
[17:13] <tjaalton> vs https://launchpad.net/~sssd/+archive/updates/+build/5911825
[17:14] <xnox> i thought loads of things will fail when doing arch build without indep build-deps.
[17:14] <xnox> cause debian is not doing it.
[17:15] <cjwatson> tjaalton: precise's dpkg-buildpackage didn't have the necessary smartness to honour build-arch yet
[17:15] <cjwatson> Debian #229357
[17:16] <cjwatson> (well, disregard the implied solution in the bug title)
[17:16] <cjwatson> That was added in dpkg 1.16.2, so quantal
[17:16] <tjaalton> ahah, that would explain it then, thanks
[17:21] <GunnarHj> xnox: If I understand it correctly, what you suggest would redefine what constitutes an installed language. You would no longer be able to generate a locale without l-s starting to prompt you about installing everything.
[17:21] <xnox> GunnarHj: in my testing, l-s is only asking me to install missing things.
[17:22] <xnox> GunnarHj: as it's limited by "locale -a" in the first place, e.g. one typically on has en and enabled locale.
[17:22] <xnox> GunnarHj: if someone will go and actually generate all locales, indeed all language packs will be requested to be installed.
[17:22] <xnox> GunnarHj: at the moment, however, the bug is that _no_ language packs are ever installed at all, but "en".
[17:23] <xnox> GunnarHj: this is actually revert to what the code was before one of the SRUs into precise.
[17:23] <GunnarHj> xnox: Yes, but the possibility to generate a locale without installing the language is intentional. I think cjwatson can confirm that.
[17:23] <xnox> GunnarHj: that's what the installer does, to trigger langpack installation....
[17:24] <xnox> (possibly at a later time when network is available)
[17:24] <xnox> GunnarHj: there is a separate flag to actually block the lang-pack installation.
[17:25] <GunnarHj> xnox: When you have tested, did you check if the language appeared in "Installed languages" in l-s?
[17:25] <xnox> I'm trying to fix bugs "System not localized after an OEM installation" and "language packs not installed after a non-network installation in a non-english language " as in no language packs installed automatically post-install.
[17:26] <xnox> GunnarHj: "When you have tested, did you check if the language appeared in "Installed languages" in l-s?" at which stage? patch applied, locale generated, and no packages for that locale installed?
[17:26] <xnox> GunnarHj: I can test that in a second.
[17:26] <GunnarHj> xnox: Yes.
[17:27] <cjwatson> it's certainly intentional that you can generate a bare locale, but I don't see a reason not to flag it as incomplete support ...
[17:27] <cjwatson> can't you dismiss it and tell it to shut up?
[17:27] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: No, there is no way to tell it to shut up. ;)
[17:28] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: I mean, you'll be prompted whenever you start l-s if you don't install.
[17:28] <xnox> GunnarHj: it shuts up after the first time.
[17:29] <cjwatson> do we need another flag to check-language-support for use by the installer?
[17:29] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: oh, well, sure, but I never start l-s so who cares ;-)
[17:29] <cjwatson> I would care about notification spam
[17:29] <xnox> yeah the auto popup goes away.
[17:29] <GunnarHj> xnox: Does it?
[17:29] <cjwatson> I think it would be reasonable enough for l-s to bug people with extra bare locales
[17:29] <cjwatson> if started manually, which is rare
[17:29] <xnox> GunnarHj: yeah, it has a separate flag which is cleared.
[17:30] <xnox> GunnarHj: but i will test it again here.
[17:31] <GunnarHj> xnox: I'd like to do some testing and think more about it. Can we talk more about it tomorrow?
[17:32] <xnox> GunnarHj: we kind of have a release to make on thursday, and no language packs installed after OEM configuration is very bad for all our OEMs.
[17:33] <xnox> GunnarHj: oem-config does not configure network and pull language packs, the way normal ubiquity installation does.
[17:33] <GunnarHj> xnox: So this is going into the release??
[17:33] <xnox> GunnarHj: i want this to go into release yes.
[17:33] <xnox> otherwise i wouldn't be patching this now & extensively testing.
[17:34] <GunnarHj> xnox: I see.
[17:34] <GunnarHj> xnox: How long will you be there today?
[17:35] <xnox> GunnarHj: if my testing doesn't show any regression on past fixed bugs w.r.t. this we will respin for it probably in a few hours.
[17:35] <xnox> GunnarHj: if we need to further fix this post-release, we will be able to do zero-day SRU etc.
[17:36] <xnox> GunnarHj: this will also will need fixing for 12.04.5
[17:37] <GunnarHj> xnox: Ok, I see. Actually I have a feeling that it will lead to undesired effects that we'll need to take care of as SRUs.
[17:41] <xnox> GunnarHj: hm, yeah, i don't see it do the right thing yet.
[17:41] <GunnarHj> xnox: One thought I have right now is that the installer might be changed to create empty /usr/share/locale-langpack/[lang] directories when installing without the net.
[17:41] <xnox> GunnarHj: it did not install anything for me now.
[17:41] <GunnarHj> xnox: Ok..
[17:41] <cjwatson> Would empty directories help?
[17:42] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: I'm not sure. Just a thought so far...
[17:42] <xnox> cjwatson: we'd need a subdir for the locale, yeah.
[17:42] <cjwatson> It would certainly be possible
[17:42] <xnox> cjwatson: let me test.
[17:42] <cjwatson> If that fixes it it would be less invasive
[17:48] <xnox> ogra_: gtk2 is back on touch image
[17:48] <xnox> ogra_: and i've explicitely removed it
[17:48] <xnox> ogra_: also for the same reason appmenu will get a reject now.
[17:51] <seb128> hum
[17:51] <seb128> would be handy to have ddeb sources on the porter boxes
[17:55] <jtaylor> did something change with the python gdb extensions?
[17:55] <jtaylor> they aren't loading for me anymore, they used to a week ago
[17:56] <GunnarHj> xnox, cjwatson: I made a quick-n-dirty test on 13.10 where I am right now, and it looks promising.
[17:56] <xnox> GunnarHj: creating directories?
[17:56] <GunnarHj> xnox, cjwatson: I added the "fi" directory and did 'sudo locale-gen fi_FI.UTF-8'. It was pulled nicely after that.
[17:57] <xnox> GunnarHj: hm, not doing that here.
[17:57] <xnox> let me try again.
[17:58] <xnox> GunnarHj: nevermind, had dirs in the wrong place.
[17:59] <xnox> GunnarHj: looks good now.
[17:59] <GunnarHj> xnox: That solution would make me feel better. :)
[18:00] <jtaylor> doko: since the last or before last python3 update the gdb debug extensions aren't loading anymore
[18:00] <jtaylor> doko: its expecing them as python3.4-dbg.py now instead of python3.4m-dbg.py
[18:22] <doko> jtaylor, hmm, can't see what should have changed ...
[18:33] <jtaylor> qives the changelog gives no clue
[18:33] <jtaylor> I also have no idea how gdb actually tries to load it
[18:36] <GunnarHj> xnox: Do you think it's doable to make the installer create such empty dirs?
[18:37] <xnox> GunnarHj: yes, we are now moving bug 1307983 to d-i.
[18:37] <xnox> GunnarHj: well localechooser.
[18:38] <GunnarHj> xnox: Ok, sounds good. Thanks for letting me know.
[20:41] <smoser> xnox, around ?
[20:42] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7257532/
[20:43] <smoser> how much can i trus tthe order of that output.
[20:45] <smoser> i ask because 'Clean /tmp/directory' (line 373) I think is /etc/init/mounted-tmp.conf which is
[20:45] <smoser>   start on (mounted MOUNTPOINT=/tmp) or (mounted MOUNTPOINT=/usr)
[20:45] <smoser> i woudl have thought that was guaranteed to happen after (and be blocked by) cloud-init-local (line381)
[20:45] <smoser> which is
[20:45] <smoser>  start on mounted MOUNTPOINT=/
[20:47] <smoser> oh yeah, and thank you!. that output looks so much better now.
[21:08] <jtaylor> doko: was bin/python3.4 a symlink before?
[21:08] <jtaylor> it seems gdb just loads <filename>-gdb.py
[21:09] <jtaylor> this might have worked if python3.4 was a link to python3.4m before
[21:10] <jtaylor> or I' was always just using python3-dbg which is a symlink to the right named file, hmmm
[21:35] <doko> jtaylor, so maybe we need two -gdb.py files
[21:35] <jtaylor> or a symlink yes
[21:35] <jtaylor> I added a copy with the right filename and it works
[21:37] <jtaylor> out of curiousity why are there two identical python binaries installed?
[21:37] <doko> these are hard links
[21:37] <doko> done upstream.
[21:37] <jtaylor> oh
[21:38] <doko> jtaylor, does it work when you make python3.4 a symlink to python3.4m?
[21:38] <jtaylor> let me try
[21:38] <doko> /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/python3.4dm-gdb.py
[21:38] <doko> /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/python3.4-dbg-gdb.py
[21:39] <doko> these are there, so that's why the -dbg works
[21:39] <jtaylor> no symlink of python3.4 does not work
[21:40] <jtaylor> oh wait it does I linked it to 3.3 ...
[21:41] <doko> ok, then I'll add the python3.4m-gdb.py symlink
[21:42] <doko> I mean, python3.4-gdb.py
[21:44] <jtaylor> btw the test is just: gdb python3; py-list
[21:44] <jtaylor> if it gives you unknown command it doesn't work
[21:45] <jtaylor> or if it gives you "add to save-load blabla" it which means it worked but you need to edit your ~/.gdbinit
[21:45] <jtaylor> add-auto-load-safe-path


[02:27] <jaeyke> hello!
[02:28] <jaeyke> its been a long time since I used IRC
[02:28] <jaeyke> big question: can I change the folder location ?
[02:28] <jaeyke> not just create a symlink
[08:29] <jonzbcc> hello, does anyone know if its possible to change the default location of the Ubuntu One folder?
[09:38] <lorien> Any got Ubuntu One running under Karmic?
[10:22] <fcuk112> i was wondering if i could help out with development?
[11:58] <elky> I'm trying to sync my evolution contacts, and followed the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Contacts tute, but the second keyring box didn't appear and my contacts are not visible in my account on the website. Help?
[15:29] <popey> got an oops when accepting a share request "When referencing this error, please refer to the Oops-ID: 1421appserver71893 "
[17:58] <rtagger> Have a question? Ping.... no community face here, i guess...
[17:59] <rtagger> oops, got channel pinged.
[18:00] <rtagger> Has anybody noticed whether anybody added the ability to list the files that are yet to be synced to u1sdtool ?
[18:02] <CardinalFang> rtagger, if you don't see it as an option, then no.  File a wishlist bug.  It seems like a good idea.
[18:03] <rtagger> CardinalFang, i got it working
[18:04] <rtagger> CardinalFang, just some bits stolen from u1sdtool and some additional code, but now the issue is if twisted deferred is used, then 300-something files may take a while to complete
[18:05] <rtagger> CardinalFang, I guess I'll attach the code to the bug report :)
[18:07] <CardinalFang> rtagger, we like patches.  Yum.


[02:33] <gbell> Any conferences coming up of interest to us open source folks?
[02:34] <nhaines> Ubucon Germany is in October and Ubucon SCALE is in Janaury.
[02:53] <jea> OSDC is in hobart soon


 He is not contactable :(
[18:38] <brobostigon> :(
[18:38]  * brobostigon gets drinks.
[18:43] <Kaia> someone contact ianto
[18:44] <brobostigon> i dont have his number,
[19:02] <TonyBurn> lo
[19:02] <brobostigon> evening TonyBurn
[19:03] <TonyBurn> hey, whats going on this evening then?
[19:03] <TonyBurn> film with the mrs for me i think, very unexciting :/
[19:03] <TonyBurn> oh, and i applied for a job with novell yesterday
[19:04] <TonyBurn> :)
[19:04] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: chris and mark and lauren, and respective gf's etc are meeting up.
[19:04] <TonyBurn> some hr bod got in touch today to say they'll be reviewing my application and back in touch shortly
[19:05] <TonyBurn> cool, where?
[19:05] <brobostigon> cool. :)
[19:05] <TonyBurn> not that i know any of them
[19:05] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: ie, ianto, markjones and Kaia.
[19:06] <brobostigon> TonyBurn: inreadiness for a welshevent tmrw,icant remember how to spell.
[19:06] <Kaia> what?
[19:06] <TonyBurn> ahhh, is this the thing in aberystwyth?
[19:06] <brobostigon> Kaia: i couldnt remember.
[19:06] <Kaia> brobostigon: I don't have a girlfriend >.<
[19:07] <TonyBurn> me and the mrs were gonna pop to aber tomorrow, shes never been there
[19:07] <brobostigon> Kaia: no, i didnt say that, i implied you had a bf.
[19:07] <Kaia> 19:04 < brobostigon> TonyBurn: chris and mark and lauren, and respective gf's etc are meeting up.
[19:07] <Kaia> :O
[19:07] <brobostigon> gf's etc.
[19:07] <brobostigon> or gf's and bf's.
[19:08] <Kaia> i think Mr_T is in aber :/
[19:08] <markjones> kaia doesn't even have a bf
[19:08] <Kaia> we are waiting to hear from ianto and Amberlina
[19:09] <brobostigon> ok.
[19:09] <brobostigon> ihave no wayhere of gettinghold of ianto.
[19:09] <TonyBurn> is that welsh event on just for the day tomorrow?
[19:10] <Kaia> TonyBurn: Hacio'r Iaith
[19:10] <Kaia> http://haciaith.com/
[19:10] <TonyBurn> yes, thats the one ;)
[19:16] <Kaia> they are having curry tonight at shilam
[19:18] <brobostigon> shilam ?
[19:19] <markjones> a curry house in Aber
[19:19] <brobostigon> ah, :)
[19:19] <brobostigon> yummy,
[19:20] <Kaia> om nom nom
[19:20] <Kaia> they are pretty homeless for takeaway though
[19:21] <Kaia> hopeless*
[19:22] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[19:22]  * markjones wants his chinese
[19:23] <brobostigon> i thinknext week, i will try the curry house i use in town here, and as they do takeaway,see what its like.
[19:23]  * markjones spies Kaia's power socket and goes to steal
[19:23] <brobostigon> lol
[19:23] <TonyBurn> mmmmm, curry
[19:23] <TonyBurn> aint eaten proper food like that in ages
[19:24] <TonyBurn> god dam diet :|
[19:24] <brobostigon> thats not on TonyBurn :(
[19:25] <TonyBurn> i put a stone in weight on since the mrs moved in with me, half that attributed to the fact i pulled my groin and stopped running, other half being the mrs feeds me too well
[19:25] <TonyBurn> so just dropping the developing tyre so i have beach body for summer :D
[19:26] <brobostigon> appropriate exercise, and good food, and good drink. live well, and everything will be fine, i reckon.
[19:28] <TonyBurn> well i'm on no diet for life, just cutting the flab by means of food intake until i can take up running again
[19:28] <TonyBurn> :p
[19:28] <brobostigon> okies, :)
[19:28] <TonyBurn> i have a stag do on 11th march which will be my oppotunity to be reintroduced to alcohol, i'll be hammered in no time
[19:29] <brobostigon> lol. maybe,
[20:12]  * AlanBell wonders if ianto got the package in time
[20:12] <markjones> he's AWOL
[20:13] <brobostigon> lol. :)
[20:13] <AlanBell> as is http://haciaith.com/
[20:14] <markjones> yup, they are all in Curry
[20:40] <Kaia> he's AWOL still
[20:40] <brobostigon> ohwel, :)
[20:40] <brobostigon> it can take along time, to enjoy a curry,
[20:41] <markjones> he's not AWOL Kaia
[20:41] <markjones> he is rescuing a damsel in distress
[20:42] <brobostigon> mrs ianto ?
[20:42] <brobostigon> miss ianto,*
[20:43] <brobostigon> no mrs ianto*
[20:43] <markjones> yup, Ambrina
[20:44] <brobostigon> :)
[20:45] <markjones> they are probably just down the street by now
[20:45] <brobostigon> umm, anyone have ianto on google latitude ?
[20:47] <markjones> maybe
[20:48] <brobostigon> i am evil, ihave mt own mother on google latitude.
[20:48] <brobostigon> myown*
[20:50] <brobostigon> however i cant have latitude turned on, on my mobile, as it causes too much battery drain.
[20:53] <markjones> No, I don't have ianto on Latitude
[20:53] <markjones> I have my mother too
[20:56] <Kaia> he is still AWOL lol
[20:57] <brobostigon> is there a prog icanuse for google latitude, without acutally using google's latitude app. ?
[21:09] <Kaia> we now have an ianto, amberlina, natalie and markjones
[21:09] <markjones> :D
[21:09]  * brobostigon waves at ianto and mrs ianto.
[21:15] <brobostigon> good evening ianto :)
[21:16] <dariusH> chistoph
[21:16] <dariusH> markjones:
[21:16] <dariusH> how's le aber
[21:16] <brobostigon> evening dariusH
[21:17] <brobostigon> ianto: i were told you went AWoL for a curry, yummy, :)
[21:17] <markjones> dariusH, it's nice
[21:17] <ianto> dariusH: People drive too slow here
[21:17] <markjones> brobostigon, no, he was awol to rescue a damsel
[21:18] <dariusH> it's west wales people do EVERYTHING too slow here
[21:18] <brobostigon> markjones: AWOL for both, :)
[21:18] <ianto> They go 25mph on a 40mph road...
[21:18] <dariusH> evening brobostigon
[21:55] <ianto> AlanBell: Just so you know, the package has arrived
[21:56] <AlanBell> great!
[21:58] <markjones> but he's hidden it
[23:37]  * markjones returneth
[23:38] <brobostigon> wb markjones :)
[23:39] <brobostigon> markjones: stick bbc4 on, great guitar music.
[23:41] <brobostigon> i amjust enjoying it.
[23:44] <markjones> brobostigon, Kaia doesn't have a TV
[23:44] <markjones> (well, she does, but no aerial
[23:45] <brobostigon> markjones: ido believe you can watch bbc channels live online.
[23:45] <ianto> markjones: You can watch iPlayer live
[23:46] <brobostigon> markjones: does Kaia have some nice speakers ?
[23:52] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well all.


[12:35] <Mo0oSaH> Which version of KDE will come with kubuntu Gutsy?
[12:36] <pvandewyngaerde> 3.5 i guess, and later 4 packages
[12:36] <Mo0oSaH> When does KDE 4 come out?
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> 23 oktober
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> beta 1 is just out
[12:41] <pvandewyngaerde>  October 23, 2007: Targeted Release Date for KDE 4.0
[02:22] <opop> hai
[02:22] <Pici> hello?
[02:22] <opop> hello!
[02:23] <opop> so, like, what's up?
[02:52] <starz> !gutsy
[02:52] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[02:56] <starz> is installing with a sepeate /boot partition nessisarally destructive?
[02:58] <RAOF> starz: No.  But you *will* have to format your / partition.
[03:04] <starz> mm
[03:04] <starz> RAOF: i think im gonna shrink and split the partition on my usb key
[03:04] <starz> /dev/sda1             114M   35M   73M  33% /boot
[03:04] <starz> lots of space left - no reason not to - just make it two partitions equal size should be good
[03:04] <starz> i'm guessing should be able to keep 2 -3 kernels each and not trip
[03:06] <RAOF> I had a 50Mb /boot at one point, and it was annoying.
[03:11] <defcon> how do I change the mouse pointer in gutsy
[03:11] <DanaG> I have my /boot at 128 megs or so.
[03:12] <Pici> defcon: The same way you did in feisty?
[03:12] <defcon> gutsy doesnt like usb wifi cards, it gets a kernel panic with rt73 drivers from serial monkey, and gutsy doesnt support it
[03:12] <defcon> Pici, system/preferences/mouse does not give me the option
[03:12] <Pici> defcon: Its in apperance, under customize
[03:13] <Pici> I've been using gutsy for so long I forgot what feisty looks like
[03:13] <defcon> haha thankyou
[03:21] <defcon> Pici, do u have any idea why I get a kernel panic when I plug in my usb wifi card
[03:22] <defcon> its rather annoying, im running gutsy with ck's patchset because I cant run 2.6.22-9 without a crash
[03:23] <defcon> i tried 2.6.22-rt and 2.6.22-386 and I can plug it in with those but the driver does not modprobe
[03:24] <defcon> am I likely to have problems with another kernel other than gutsy's
[03:27] <Pici> I have no idea, Perhaps you should check out the support page for that module: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rt2x00Wiki:Community_Portal
[03:45] <BLuesKaj> which repos contains the libdvdcss2 and win32 codecs for gutsy ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[03:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:48] <IdleOne> !seveas
[03:48] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:48] <IdleOne> not sure if he has gutsy packages yet but take a look
[03:48] <BLuesKaj> seveas hasn't been reliable lately , down most of the time
[03:49] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[03:49] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[03:49] <IdleOne> considering he has a personal repo that he admins on personal time and makes packages that work for ubuntu I think we can put up with some downtime
[03:49] <RAOF> Everyone, use that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :)
[03:49] <Pici> BLuesKaj: Seveas's repos have a few mirrors, you could use a different one
[03:49] <RAOF> IdleOne: You're not using one of the mirrors?
[03:50] <IdleOne> RAOF, I dont have any issues with seveas repos
[03:50] <AnRkey> does anyone know how i would go about getting a 3rd party project sub-forum on ubuntuforums.org? I have already send a message via the site to the webmaster but have not received a reply yet. Any help would be cool...
[03:51] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: #ubuntuforums, not here
[03:51] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: this has nothing to do with UF
[03:51] <BLuesKaj> yes i understand , IdleOne , just installed gutsy and i'm a bit peeved at the fact that 3D and DRI seems to be difficult to set up
[03:52] <Hobbsee> BLuesKaj: which card?
[03:52] <Pici> You do realize its not released yet...
[03:52] <BLuesKaj> and I'm in the process of setting up my fav apps atm
[03:52] <BLuesKaj> ati :(
[03:52] <IdleOne> BLuesKaj, that comes with running pre-release OS
[03:52] <AnRkey> Hobbsee, very sorry
[03:52] <Hobbsee> AnRkey: no problem
[03:53] <Hobbsee> BLuesKaj: ah right.  restricted-manager?
[03:53] <Goldfisch> Are people upgrading from feisty to gutsy the old fashioned way (apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list), or using update-manager -d? I have tried update-manager, but it fails, so I'm curious.
[03:54] <Pici> I did it the old fashioned way, because it was back in Tribe 1
[03:55] <Hobbsee> mine was pre-tribe 1, so...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> actually, i think i did a clean install from t2
[03:55] <Pici> To be honest, I've always updated by changing the sources.list file.
[03:56] <chx> in about one week, i'll get a laptop and that one more or less requires xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.x . What could I do? it's been request for feisty backport but that failed because it also needs xorg 1.3 ...
[03:57] <Goldfisch> That is the way I did business when I used to run debian. I like update-manager, and the last time where I upgraded edgy to feisty after it was released, went without a problem.
[03:57] <praecox> you guys suck
[03:57] <IdleOne> praecox, ty
[03:57] <IdleOne> what is wrong that you cant fix?
[03:57] <Goldfisch> I'm chomping at the bit to get thunderbird 2 and also eclipse is fixed to work with sun-java6.
[03:57] <praecox> at least as much as I do...
[03:58] <BLuesKaj> Goldfisch: I tried the aptitude dist-upgrade and modded sources list route but i wasn't successful ,lots of stuff broke and screwed my Xorg file which i tried to edit at the prompt but no joy so i just used windows to DL and burn tribe 3 and dia clean install
[03:58] <praecox> IdleOne, you didn't answer my question.
[03:58] <IdleOne> what question
[03:58] <praecox> IdleOne, or at least I've been disconnected and couldn't continue our conversation...
[03:58] <praecox> 170459 < praecox> IdleOne, well, there's one internet. but don't you think 'new internet' with cleaned out all domains (paralelly coexisting with current internet) would be interesting way to advertize for many companies all over the world?
[03:58] <praecox> 170538 < praecox> showing 'new way of thinking', new websites, new images of those companies?
[03:59] <praecox> 170622 < praecox> and would be good way to let someone buy domain which is already occupied by someone else on first internet?
[03:59] <BLuesKaj> praecox:  nice attitude
[03:59] <praecox> BLuesKaj, thank you, my pleasure.
[03:59] <praecox> ;)
[03:59] <Goldfisch> BLuesKaj: Well, I'm not chomping at the bit THAT much for gutsy.
[04:00] <IdleOne> praecox, I answered that question about 6 hours ago and NO I dont think it's a good idea. makes absolutely no sense for me to register google.com2 when google,com already exists and does a fine job
[04:00] <BLuesKaj> I'm sure they just luv you in here
[04:00] <praecox> IdleOne, I know you probably did.  I'm just drunk.
[04:01] <praecox> IdleOne, don't take it seriously.
[04:01] <Goldfisch> Good idea. When you are drunk, come into an IRC chat room. Makes sense to me....
[04:01] <IdleOne> praecox, you cant even keep yourself connected to the current internet what makes you think you can convince me to connet to your internet
[04:02] <IdleOne> praecox, go have anoher beer. relax and have a good night. see ya tomorow
[04:02] <praecox> IdleOne, actually irc.freenode.net couldn't keep me connected.
[04:02] <IdleOne> yeah blame the server that handles over 50 connects a day
[04:02] <IdleOne> 50thousand
[04:03] <IdleOne> heh
[04:03] <IdleOne> well my wife is calling
[04:03] <IdleOne> night folks
[04:03] <praecox> whatever...
[04:03] <praecox> 'nite
[04:03] <IdleOne> hehe
[04:04] <Goldfisch> IdleOne: Was that a fast one you pulled, or are you really heading out?
[04:04] <IdleOne> gotta love drunk people. was I even close with the amount of connections per day?
[04:04] <IdleOne> yeah Im going soon
[04:04] <Goldfisch> Heh
[04:04] <Goldfisch> Well, I'm heading back to regular ubuntu channel. Good luck with filing bug reports with the gutsy team...
[04:07] <BLuesKaj> do seveas pkgs run on gutsy ?
[04:08] <databuddy> good question :P
[04:08] <Hobbsee> "try it"
[04:08] <Hobbsee> does it have a gutsy repository?
[04:09] <databuddy> #AAAAAA
[04:09] <BLuesKaj> lookibg just see feisty so far
[04:10] <databuddy> <3 sevaeas
[04:10] <databuddy> yaknow BLuesKaj / Hobbsee
[04:10] <databuddy> its really REALLY amazing how far linux has come the last 4 years
[04:10] <databuddy> seriously i only use windows to hack my cell phone now :D
[04:10] <databuddy> next is when i get a quad core and go ahead and add encryption to everything >:P
[04:11] <databuddy> cant wait till there's room for that kekekkeke
[04:11] <BLuesKaj> databuddy: can you post the debs
[04:11] <databuddy> BLuesKaj: ?
[04:11] <databuddy> i didnt mean for gutsy i meant in general
[04:11] <BLuesKaj> the seveas repository debs
[04:11] <databuddy> what are you looking for though?
[04:11] <databuddy> specifally
[04:11] <BLuesKaj> w32codecs and libdvdcss2
[04:11] <databuddy> ah
[04:12] <databuddy> 1. totem-xine
[04:12] <databuddy> 2. mplayer
[04:12] <databuddy> !restricted codecs
[04:12] <databuddy> !medibuntu
[04:12] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:12] <kiba> hi
[04:12] <Hobbsee> databuddy: just install libdvdread3, and run install-mp3.sh
[04:12] <Hobbsee> that'll give you the libdvdcss2
[04:12] <databuddy> or that?
[04:13] <databuddy> http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/dists/gutsy-seveas/
[04:13] <Hobbsee> (use locate to find it)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> there you go, then
[04:13] <BLuesKaj> thx
[04:13] <angeldarkholme> hi guys...I need some help please:  i have ubuntu 7.04 working on a dell laptop with an intel 3945 wireless card, everything works fine but i want the gnome network manager to show the wireless networks and I doens't show them...
[04:13] <angeldarkholme> If i try at the command line "iwlist eth1 scan" the wireless networks are shown.....
[04:13] <angeldarkholme> how can I solve this problem?
[04:13] <databuddy> looks like he's still working on it
[04:13] <databuddy> angeldarkholme: #ubuntu
[04:13] <databuddy> this is +1 == 7.10 now
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> :O
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> sorry...i didn't know that...
[04:14] <databuddy> as someone else said
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> is it really different?
[04:14] <databuddy> i think a lot of ppl thik this is superubuntu
[04:14] <angeldarkholme> I mean...non of you can help ?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> databuddy: as in, the people who know more tend to be here.
[04:15] <databuddy> Hobbsee: me being the exception to the rule!
[04:15] <databuddy> ok finished reinstalling gutsy
[04:15] <Hobbsee> angeldarkholme: nm applet should show the networks, after running the iwlist eth1 scan?
[04:15] <databuddy> btw no umbiguity problem with tribe 3 ;P
[04:15] <angeldarkholme> no.....
[04:15] <angeldarkholme> I can see the wireless networks only in the command line
[04:15] <Hobbsee> angeldarkholme: then ask in #ubuntu
[04:16] <angeldarkholme> ok...thanks...
[04:26] <masterloki> gutsy hanging on boot -
[04:26] <Hobbsee> masterloki: doesnt here.  have you found out why?
[04:26] <masterloki> says that hde4 has been mounted 32 times w/o being chekced
[04:26] <masterloki> Hobbsee, ??
[04:26] <Hobbsee> masterloki: then wait.  does it get thru the fsck?
[04:27] <databuddy> thats the thing im not sure how long i should wait
[04:27] <Hobbsee> wait until it finishes.
[04:27] <databuddy> even tho its not showing anything on screen?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> how long it takes depends on how big your drive is, obviously
[04:27] <databuddy> usually there is a progress bar
[04:27] <Hobbsee> doesnt it show a moving black bar?
[04:27] <databuddy> exactly.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> well, white bar on black screen?
[04:27] <databuddy> none of that
[04:27] <databuddy> and no
[04:27] <Hobbsee> how'd you find it was fsck'ing, then?
[04:28] <databuddy> b/c when fsck runs it clears /dev/hde2 and says /dev/hde4 needs to be done and then that /dev/sda1 is good and nothing else happens
[04:28] <databuddy> i let it go 5 minutes a bit ago
[04:28] <Hobbsee> how big is hde4?
[04:28] <databuddy> mm
[04:28] <databuddy> 160gigs
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ....right.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> then you probably have been killing it part way thru?
[04:29] <databuddy> /boot is on sda1 and thats on thumbdrive
[04:29] <databuddy> Hobbsee, only if its actually doing somthing i suppose
[04:29] <databuddy> i'll give it 15 then
[04:29] <Hobbsee> this is true - actually, reboot without "quiet splash", and watch the verbose output
[04:29] <databuddy> did =P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[04:29] <databuddy> thats how i boot standard
[04:29] <databuddy> i like seeing all the crazy stuff
[04:30] <databuddy> like how i have irregular ata osmething or other
[04:30] <Hobbsee> you could probably manually fsck that partition, though, somehow.
[04:30] <databuddy> livecd ?
[04:30] <databuddy> tried going to recovery mode but that didnt do it either got stuck same point
[04:30] <Hobbsee> yeah, live cd would probably be needed
[04:31] <Hobbsee> well, unless you have another linux on there
[04:31] <databuddy> and i'm sure there's a dont check option but it _should
[04:31] <Hobbsee> or something with fsck
[04:31] <databuddy> _ be checked
[04:31] <databuddy> oh i do
[04:31] <databuddy> feisty on /dev/sda1 and /dev/hde2 /home is on /dev/hde4
[04:32] <databuddy> gutsy on /dev/sda2 and /dev/hdf1 and /home is on /dev/hde4
[04:33] <Hobbsee> right.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> live cd may be safer, then
[04:34] <databuddy> agreed
[04:34] <databuddy> but i'
[04:34] <databuddy> ll give it 15 miin
[04:53] <xsacha> hey, flash is broken right now in gutsy right?
[04:53] <xsacha> konqueror-plugins-ns or something?
[04:53] <dhgwill> it was working fine for me earlier (unless something happened in the last 3 hrs)
[04:53] <xsacha> maybe only konqueror plugins?
[04:53] <xsacha> past 3 days here
[04:53] <dhgwill> yikes.
[04:53] <dhgwill> that's a long time to be without flash :)
[04:54] <xsacha> so im wondering, how do i revert a package? i forgot the command gr
[04:54] <databuddy> wow - hobbsee was right as usual
[04:54] <xsacha> if i visit a page that has flash on it, browser freezes
[04:55] <databuddy> flash working in ff here
[04:55] <xsacha> yeah konqueror is the prob.
[04:55] <databuddy> used its own installer
[04:55] <xsacha> im just using the open source flash
[04:55] <databuddy> ah
[04:56] <databuddy> dunno then
[04:56] <dhgwill> ack
[04:56] <dhgwill> if you know the old package name, you can specify...
[04:56] <dhgwill> i think.
[04:57] <xsacha> yeah, do you know the command?
[04:57] <dhgwill> sudo apt-get install flash-free=something or other
[04:57] <xsacha> been searching google but obviously "revert" is the wrong word :(
[04:57] <xsacha> ah ok
[04:57] <dhgwill> yeah, for real.
[04:57] <dhgwill> i mean, i'm just guessing as regards specifics, there, but i think that should work.
[04:58] <xsacha> i think it happened after i updated konqueror-nsplugins (or something), not actual flash tho
[04:58] <dhgwill> i'm looking at tribe 3 package repo
[04:58] <dhgwill> or trying to :)
[04:58] <xsacha> konqueror-plugin-gnash maybe
[04:59] <xsacha> should be an easier way to revert. like "revert last update" sort of thing
[04:59] <dhgwill> yeah, i've heard that before.
[04:59] <dhgwill> you'd think there'd be something or other keeping track...
[05:00] <dhgwill> in synaptic there is a force version option
[05:01] <dhgwill> find the package you updated, then select "Package:Force version"
[05:03] <xsacha> mm too bad dont have synaptic
[05:04] <dhgwill> haha, alright
[05:05] <xsacha> my flash plugin is a netscape plugin
[05:05] <xsacha> problem started after i updated konqueror and konqueror-nsplugins
[05:05] <xsacha> there's no other versions of it available :(
[05:06] <dhgwill> really? shouldn't you have the old package in your package cache?
[05:06] <xsacha> mmm
[05:07] <xsacha> when i do policy it only shows one version
[05:07] <xsacha> apt-cache policy
[05:09] <xsacha> grr adept just crashed
[05:09] <dhgwill> i think i've reached the limit of my helpfulness, although i can keep googling... which version do you have installed now?
[05:09] <xsacha> 3.5.7-ubuntu15
[05:10] <xsacha>   Installed: 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu15
[05:12] <dhgwill> well, there's a bug report... apparently, this is related the gtk issues...
[05:12] <dhgwill> er, related to
[05:12] <dhgwill> there's a workaround that involves downgrading the gtk package
[05:12] <dhgwill> "It is fixed for now by installing the downgraded package  libgtk2.0-0_2.10.11-0ubuntu3_i386.deb, but then adept wants to upgrade it and reports a whole swag of broken packages."
[05:14] <dhgwill> this looks relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/127944/comments/41
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed]
[05:14] <xsacha> thanks dhgwill!!
[05:15] <dhgwill> np, hope it works! now i've got to go.
[05:15] <dhgwill> ciao!
[05:15] <xsacha> not sure how to downgrade tho :P
[05:15] <xsacha> thx, cya
[05:15] <dhgwill> lol
[05:15] <dhgwill> good luck
[05:19] <xsacha> bah ill just use firefox
[05:38] <necronekostar> !wine
[05:38] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:42] <necronekostar> Message: device: default /// Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) ////  serial 200 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[06:42] <necronekostar> any ideas?
[06:43] <necronekostar> cant start xmms
[06:43] <necronekostar> grah!
[06:43] <necronekostar> thats my alarm too ;_;
[06:54] <starz> grah
[06:54] <starz> so yeah xmms wont start - totem will / mplayer will / gkrellm will
[06:54] <MajorPayne> Heh.  Just before you got here someone else was saying xmms wont start.
[06:56] <shirish> MajorPayne: you are right, it was somebody named necronekostar
[06:57] <shirish> he also gave the error message when it happened
[06:57] <shirish> Message: device: default /// Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) ////  serial 200 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 0
[06:57] <shirish> starz: are you getting the same or similar error message?
[06:59] <starz> shirish: if youve been in a sec
[06:59] <starz> MajorPayne: that was me
[06:59] <databuddy> ;p
[06:59] <MajorPayne> Stormx2: Ohh.
[07:00] <databuddy> shirish: yeah something like that tho
[07:00] <MajorPayne> err, databuddy ohh.
[07:00] <databuddy> nice nick tho MajorPayne
[07:18] <databuddy> shirish: so now that i got a couple things done and im looking at it lol
[07:18] <databuddy> that was the mssg that i had posted
[07:19] <databuddy> lol funneh how things dont always register at first
[07:19] <databuddy> anyway so yeah - any ideas on that?
[07:19] <databuddy> its a 64bit install as well for the record
[07:23] <shirish> no idea, don't use xmms, use exaile & its cool for me
[07:25] <shirish> databuddy: also xmms is deprecated, try xmms2 - its supposed to be better
[07:25] <databuddy> xmms 2 isnt gui i think
[07:27] <shirish> databuddy: I haven't used xmms2 as I am happy with exaile, i just caught some discussions sometime before on xmms
[08:17] <defcon> any alternative for bootlogd on gutsy
[08:17] <defcon> I cannot seem to log my boot
[08:18] <defcon> my kernel panics on boot and I need to log it for a bug report
[08:20] <defcon> im going to try this new kernel
[09:09] <nzk> Is it possible to update to Gutsy without downloading the image and installing it from a disk?
[09:09] <nzk> Hey tmske
[09:09] <tmske> Hey nzk :-)
[09:10] <jussi01> nzk: yes
[09:10] <tmske> Is it possible to upgrade to gutsy with update-manager -d? Or is only manual update possible at the moment?
[09:10] <nzk> jussi01: How?
[09:10] <nzk> tmske: yes.
[09:11] <tmske> nzk: but it doesn't seem to work for me, it doesn't show the upgrade to gutsy button
[09:12] <nzk> Iuno
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[09:19] <jussi01> Hmm, is konq broken with flash? is anyone else having this problem?
[09:19] <jussi01> firefox is working fine...
[09:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: again, the answer hasnt changed.  there are still bugs about it
[09:21] <jussi01> Hobbsee: hmmm, didnt see the answer last time then... ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> i though tyou did, as you responded to it :)
[09:21] <jussi01> hehe, nope, mustve been half asleep...
[09:22] <jussi01> I just remembered you saying something about not using konq and flash
[09:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: can you tell me some of the other qt browsers out there? (if they exist?)
[09:24] <Hobbsee> i dont knjow of otehrs apart from konq
[09:24] <Hobbsee> but that doesnt mean they dontexist
[09:25] <jussi01> ok, thanks, Id like to use something native, but konq is a bit annoying sometimes, and I dont like opera....
[09:41] <jussi01> hmmm, why did we lose kubuntu package manager and get gdebi?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: it's gdebi-kde
[09:42] <Hobbsee> jussi01: more robust
[09:42] <jussi01> oh, ok
[10:43] <_EXP> anyone familiar with ltsp5?
[10:44] <_EXP> need some details about ltspfs in LTSP5
[12:53] <tmske> someone an idea why update-manager -d doesn't show gutsy to upgrade to in feisty
[12:56] <stdin> do you have the feisty-updates repo?
[12:56] <stdin> uh, feisty-proposed not -updates
[01:29] <tatters> I upgraded feisty to gusty, left with 2 packages that cannot be installed, digicam and ubuntu-studio,I assume ubuntustudio-audio is a meta package and not a problem,how do I find out what preventing them from installing
[01:29] <Xemanth> tatters: why everybody say it as gusty always
[01:30] <Xemanth> same happened with feisty, everybody said it as fiesty
[01:30] <Xemanth> :|
[01:30] <tatters> lol, I am bad speller that my excuse
[01:30] <tatters> yup I only just learned to get feisty right way round
[01:31] <Xemanth> try apt-get -f install
[01:31] <tatters> tried that to sort other probs out
[01:31] <tatters> so just left with those 2 unresolved
[01:32] <Xemanth> whats the exact error what it says?
[01:34] <tatters> The following packages have been kept back:  digikam ubuntustudio-audio0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[01:35] <Pici> tatters: try doing a dist-upgrade/full-upgrade
[01:37] <tatters> tried that in apt manager it refuse to change the to install and synaptic manager gives basically same message as above
[01:38] <tatters> refuses to change the not installed to install ^^
[01:43] <tatters> k,thnx fixed it, I used the -f on individual packages this time not the upgrade digikam installed fine,ubuntustudio-audio gives message The following packages have unmet dependencies.  ubuntustudio-audio: Depends: ardour but it is not installable
[01:48] <tatters> hmm, Package ardour has no installation candidate
[01:48] <IdleOne> !ardour
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ardour - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <IdleOne> !info ardour
[01:49] <ubotu> Package ardour does not exist in gutsy
[01:49] <Pici> I see ardour-grk
[01:49] <Pici> er, gtk
[01:49] <IdleOne> !info ardour feisty
[01:49] <ubotu> Package ardour does not exist in feisty
[01:51] <gnomefreak> that is a messed up depends
[01:52] <Pici> Sounds like its time to log a bug
[01:53] <topaspv> how can i request a new feature?
[01:54] <stdin> topaspv: make a blueprint or ask on the mailinglist
[01:55] <topaspv> what's a blueprint?
[01:55] <stdin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[01:55] <topaspv> ok, thanks
[01:57] <gnomefreak> Pici: ardour FTBFS thats why its not installable
[01:57] <Pici> gnomefreak: FTBFS?
[01:57] <gnomefreak> fail to build
[01:57] <Pici> gnomefreak: ah...
[01:57] <coNP> !ftbfs
[01:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ftbfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:57] <Pici> Whats FS then?
[01:58] <coNP> oh I always forgot this is WIP :)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> not sure i think  filesystem
[01:58] <gnomefreak> i pasted that, i normally use FTB
[01:58] <Pici> Fails To Build From Source
[01:58] <Pici> :)
[01:58] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:58] <gnomefreak> lol
[01:58] <Pici> wikipedia
[01:59] <Pici> I should probably enable that apt-ftbnewsthingy whatever its called
[01:59] <gnomefreak> apt-ftarchive?
[01:59] <Pici> apt-listbugs
[02:00] <Pici> http://debaday.debian.net/2007/08/01/apt-listbugs-lists-critical-bugs-before-each-apt-installation/
[02:00] <gnomefreak> ah that damn thing :(
[02:00] <gnomefreak> Pici: i used to use that, it gets annoying as crap
[02:01] <Pici> Oh.  I'll just stick with listchanges then
[02:08] <jussi01> it was recently...
[02:08] <coNP> some python-sip4 / python-qt3 issue
[02:08] <coNP> might be fixed since
[02:09] <coNP> a dist-upgrade of today
[02:09] <Pici> hm
[02:09] <gnomefreak> Pici: it is
[02:09] <Pici> Well then.
[02:10] <coNP> gnomefreak: I guess the reason is what you mentioned on -motu recently
[02:10] <gnomefreak> i just posted infot o Hobbsee
[02:10] <gnomefreak> coNP: thats all i can think of
[02:10] <gnomefreak> respin should fix it all
[02:10] <coNP> Cool. Then it will be fixed soon :)
[02:10] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:11] <gnomefreak> it gets like that sometimes and if i didnt need amarok today i would have passed it off as not to worry
[02:12] <coNP> If it gets fixed before reboot, I am saved :)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> me too i didnt do the upgrade
[02:12] <gnomefreak> if Hobbsee says that is the issue for sure i can start respinning if she llikes
[02:13] <coNP> what is respinning?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> coNP: rebuilding
[02:13] <coNP> thanks, gnomefreak
[02:13] <gnomefreak> since nothing changes it would be a spin :)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what happens if you try removing amarok?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> (hit n to abort)
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it removes it?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:13] <gnomefreak> hold on
[02:13] <Hobbsee> oh wait, don tworry
[02:14] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: that tends to be annoying to fix.
[02:14] <gnomefreak> The following packages will be REMOVED: amarok amarok-xine
[02:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, no, i found it.
[02:15] <gnomefreak> k
[02:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i looked a little closer at the pastebin - it's what i thought
[02:15] <Pici> Where did you check to see that was the problem gnomefreak?
[02:15] <gnomefreak> Pici: thats the opnly package upgraded that kde apps depends on
[02:15] <gnomefreak> only*
[02:15] <gnomefreak> that was first glance
[02:16] <Pici> gnomefreak: Sorry, my mind is a little slow this morning, I meant with the ardour package.
[02:16] <gnomefreak> Pici: i asked :)
[02:17] <Pici> Oh.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Pici: no ardour packages in gutsy atm (apt-cache search ardour)
[02:17] <Pici> gnomefreak: I noticed that.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> Pici: so i had to ask why it depended on something not in archive
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !find ardour
[02:17] <ubotu> Package/file ardour does not exist in gutsy
[02:17] <gnomefreak> !find ardour feisty
[02:17] <ubotu> Found: ardour-doc, ardour-gtk, ardour-gtk-dbg, ardour-gtk-i686, ardour-session-exchange
[02:18] <Toma-> !info ardour-gtk
[02:18] <ubotu> Package ardour-gtk does not exist in gutsy
[02:18] <Toma-> !info ardour2
[02:18] <ubotu> Package ardour2 does not exist in gutsy
[02:18] <Toma-> hmm.
[02:18] <gnomefreak> there is no ardour packages in gutsy they are fail to build
[02:19] <gnomefreak> due to scon:(
[02:19] <gnomefreak> scons*
[02:19] <Hobbsee> i thought that ardour got given back
[02:19] <gnomefreak> not sure i asked about it and they said FTBFS
[02:19] <Toma-> :o no wai
[02:20] <gnomefreak> that it was intentional
[02:20] <gnomefreak> ^^^ bothered me a bit
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty for the confirm on the kxdocker bug :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> that was pissing me off
[02:21] <Toma-> I didnt see this in the ubuntustudio launchpad team.. hmm
[02:21] <Toma-> !find ardour
[02:21] <gnomefreak> Toma-: what that it depended on it?
[02:22] <ubotu> Package/file ardour does not exist in gutsy
[02:22] <Toma-> amazing
[02:22] <Toma-> that it wasnt included
[02:22] <gnomefreak> ah it will be once they fix the fail to build
[02:22] <gnomefreak> s/will/should
[02:22] <Toma-> links?
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Toma-: non atm
[02:22] <gnomefreak> none
[02:22] <Toma-> bummer
[02:22] <gnomefreak> Toma-: i talked to motu about this
[02:23] <Toma-> ahh great
[02:23] <Toma-> will it be included for RC1?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> Toma-: it should be included soon since a faily popular app needs it
[02:24] <gnomefreak> fairly
[02:24] <Toma-> well thats good
[02:24] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: heh.  me too, as people kepe coming to me about it, etc
[02:25] <gnomefreak> if i knew wth a scon was maybe i would look at it
[02:25] <Toma-> automated build process
[02:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:25] <Toma-> instead of ./configure && make && make install, its just 'scons install'
[02:26] <Pici> Arent scons those pastries?
[02:26] <Toma-> scones :D
[02:26] <gnomefreak> scones
[02:26] <Toma-> pumpkins ones are the best
[02:26] <jussi01> no no no... normal ones with jam and cream
[02:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: if you need a hand let me know im free most of morning
[02:28] <gnomefreak> well night for you :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: you could fix ardour :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:29] <Hobbsee> (ew, scons)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8560865/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.ardour_1%3A2.0.3-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:29] <Hobbsee> get to it :)
[02:29] <gnomefreak> looking
[02:30] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: on the other hand, syncing it may just fix the ftbfs.
[02:30] <gnomefreak> i would have assumed joe would have thought of that
[02:30] <Hobbsee> ie, if it's broken here, and it breaks on the new version, there's not much of a net loss :)
[02:33] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, screw testing.... :P
[02:33] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: no, no, if it's already absolutely broken, it cant get much worse :P
[02:34] <PriceChild> :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:34] <jussi01> :)
[02:36] <gnomefreak> thats not a very helpful failure :(
[02:37] <gnomefreak> and i thought mozilla failures were hard to find/read
[02:38] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[02:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: you wanna know something strange. ardour is in the repos apt-get source it same version that failed
[02:50] <gnomefreak> how exactly does that happen
[02:50] <gnomefreak> if binaries FTB than source shouldnt have gone through
[02:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: sources go thru even if it ftbfs
[02:54] <gnomefreak> oh thats odd
[02:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: the sources get accepted, then the binaries get built
[02:54] <Pici> Makes sense...
[02:55] <Toma-> imho, looks like the source is botched
[02:55] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: it's always been that way :)
[02:55] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:13] <coNP> Is there a way to tell Firefox to middle-click open tabs right after the original tab and not at the end of tabs?
[03:33] <kiba> how to enable 3d accleration in opengl?
[03:33] <kiba> I mean
[03:34] <kiba> how to enable 3d accleration? I got a nvidia graphic card
[03:35] <Pici> !nvidia
[03:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:35] <Pici> kiba: Or you can just enable it via te restriced drivers manager
[03:35] <kiba> where in kubuntu?
[03:37] <Pici> I'm not sure where the r-d-m is in Kubuntu
[03:37] <kiba> kubuntu sucks at organization of navigation
[03:40] <kiba> it say that I do not need a restricted driver
[03:40] <kiba> how to overide this?
[03:44] <Pici> kiba: use the !nvidia factoid above.
[03:46] <leperkhanz> Wow, tons of udpates....
[03:47] <leperkhanz> Anyone else notice major slowdowns while update manager is running?
[03:49] <Pici> leperkhanz: It is doing alot of work...
[03:50] <leperkhanz> OK, just wanted to make sure it wasn't something of a problem.
[03:58] <Pici> !kde4
[03:58] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Alpha 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha2.php>.
[04:18] <kalman> hi, someone knows if is planned a 2.6.23 for gutsy ?
[04:18] <stdin> no
[04:19] <Pici> I believe the kernel version is frozen.
[04:19] <kalman> so stick with 2.6.22 ?
[04:19] <Pici> Yes.
[04:19] <kalman> :(
[04:20] <kalman> now that the "desktop" friendly scheduler was merged could have been nice have it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> kalman: unsure if they were wanting to backport it or something.
[04:21] <kalman> IMHO it makes sense
[04:38] <kiba> hello
[04:40] <kiba> lllaaaaaaaaagy
[04:40] <kiba> bandwith MAXED OUT :D
[04:40] <kiba> bittorrent style
[04:49] <kalman> Apropose of 2.6.23 I found this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=514624
[05:13] <ShackJack> HI all - using Gutsy Gibbon and it's great..  Only gripe I have is that my notebook will intermittently fail to connect to the local wireless networks (open) when I boot it up... Same location, same set of networks - sometimes works, sometimes, no... Rebooting will sometimes works, but is there anything on the command line I can do to give network manager a "nudge" so I don't have to reboot?
[05:14] <lemo> rmmod <driver> and after that modprobe <driver> often helps me
[05:14] <Pici> ShackJack: sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[05:15] <ShackJack> lemo: Thanks.. Pici: Hmm. will try that... I was trying sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart (or similar) & bus to no effect... Will try that now  and if not, lemo suggestion...
[05:17] <Hadron> I tried 'gksudo "update-manager -d" but it wont run because of a dbus issue on my machine - update-manager just immediatley exits. Can someone suggest another upgrade path?
[05:18] <Pici> Hadron: Edit your sources.list file
[05:20] <ShackJack> Hadron: Yep - find that's the best way - edit that file, replacing feisty with gutsy then do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -f dist-upgrade ... Before that though, I'd make sure the following meta-packages are installed for smooth upgrade experience:  ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-minimal
[05:22] <ShackJack> Pici: No love on the invoke-rc.command - spat out a lot of stuff in the terminal, not sure which error message pertains to the actuall not-connecting to the shown networks... Trying lemo 's way right now (removing/adding the wirless module)
[05:31] <TuxRox> I used gparted to remove a NTFS partition and converted it to ext3. I went to edit the fstab and noticed that each device listed has a UUID. How would I generate that for the new partition or is there another way I should be modifying the fstab?
[05:32] <bSON>  is it normal if i don't have a /proc/bus/usb/devices in gutsy?
[05:32] <stdin> TuxRox: the command 'blkid' will give you the UUID
[05:32] <TuxRox> stdin, thanks, I'll give it a go.
[05:35] <TuxRox> stdin, It still sees the partition as the previous Windows partition. How would I go about changing that?
[05:36] <stdin> TuxRox: try vol_id: "sudo vol_id /dev/device.."
[05:36] <TuxRox> ok, thanks
[05:37] <stdin> or you could try reloading hal and dbus, if that doesn't work
[05:38] <TuxRox> stdin, worked, thanks! Things have changed a bit from the good old days of just modifying fstab when adding a partition it seems.
[05:38] <stdin> well UUIDs are more robust, that's why the switch was made :)
[05:39] <stdin> in theory with UUIDs you could share fstab with another OS, like BSD (in theory)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> !uuid
[05:39] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:40] <stdin> Hobbsee: did you realise that blkid apparently doesn't update itself, eg when a partition is reformatted ?
[05:40] <stdin> dang, too late
[05:49] <geo88> hi all
[05:50] <geo88> does any kubuntu user experience problems with nspluginviewer sucking all CPU resources as soon as a page with flash on it is open ?
[07:02] <corey> Is it just me or is 64-bit gutsy real unstable. Everything crashes. Chess crashes, epiphany crashes
[07:03] <corey> i installed it because I couldn't get the feisty cd to work. This is my first time ever using a 64-bit version of linux though
[07:07] <corey> is everyone in here sleepin'?
[07:17] <corey> is there no restricted driver manager in gutsy?
[07:20] <kiba> corey: I think so but I think the upgrade is broken
[07:21] <corey> ah
[07:21] <corey> i can't get my nvidia drivers to work :(
[07:24] <auTONYmous> I'm having a problem with Gusty discs, ubuntu AND kubuntu. Keyboard/mouse both hang at GDM/KDM startup
[07:24] <Pici> corey: Yes, there is but it wasnt included in Tribe 3. You need to enable the restricted repos and install restricted-driver-manager manually.
[07:25] <Pici> auTONYmous: On the LiveCD or the install?
[07:25] <Pici> er, installed version
[07:25] <auTONYmous> livecd
[07:25] <Pici> Have you checked launchpad for a bug yet?
[07:26] <auTONYmous> no, I haven't seen that bug on launchpad, but I think it may be a kernel thing.
[07:26] <auTONYmous> I also tried the most recent Sabayon and got the same problem.
[07:26] <auTONYmous> all 2.6.22 kernels
[07:27] <kiba> hmm
[07:28] <auTONYmous> I'm in single mode right now...trying updates to see if it's just the livecd builds
[07:28] <stdin> auTONYmous: 2.6.22-9 doesn't do that so much anymore (for me)
[07:29] <auTONYmous> should I try a daily build?
[07:29] <auTONYmous> this is the 7/18 Tribe 3 disc.../
[07:29] <stdin> try dist-upgrade from recovery, you should get the newer kernel then
[07:30] <auTONYmous> I haven't installed yet...can't get Gnome working at all.
[07:30] <stdin> and uname -r to see that version you're on
[07:31] <stdin> auTONYmous: you could, if you really wanted to, inatall feisty and dist-upgrade to gutsy then
[07:31] <auTONYmous> yeah, I thought about that, but I really prefer to clean install the +1 releases
[07:31] <auTONYmous> tribe 3 disc is 2.6.22-8
[07:32] <auTONYmous> anybody know if the most recent nightlies have 2.6.22-9?
[07:33] <onechard> yep
[07:33] <stdin> they should
[07:33] <corey> whats in -9 that isn't in -8
[07:33] <onechard> two days ago i think
[07:33] <auTONYmous> just wondering if there's a kernel bug that's affecting ps2, or something with Xorg...
[07:34] <onechard> hmmm not sure no ps2 here all usb
[07:34] <auTONYmous> I'm booted in single mode doing dist-upgrade to see if that fixes GDM...
[07:38] <soundray> Just downloading Tribe 3 Server to try in VMware Fusion. Any hints or tips?
[07:38] <stdin> expect the unexpected
[07:39] <auTONYmous> aww, geez. gotta get a nightly. not enough tmp space left over for upgrade
[07:39] <soundray> stdin: sounds like a paradox to me
[07:40] <stdin> it's the best tip tho ;)
[07:40] <soundray> Okay, I'll expect it to Just Work then
[07:42] <auTONYmous> okay, one more try: noapic nolapic, acpi=off
[07:42] <PriceChild> Does anyone know a link to an annoucement saying that .22 will be the final kernel in feisty?
[07:42] <PriceChild> gutsy
[07:42] <auTONYmous> my whole purpose for testing RIGHT NOW is to build a 23 kernel and check responsiveness of the schedulers
[07:44] <auTONYmous> heh...the "noapic" stuff worked...just booted
[08:33] <shirish> anybody else got issues while upgrading python-sip4 ?
[08:33] <Pici> Yep.
[08:33] <shirish> Pici: cool, mine is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32394/
[08:34] <shirish> Pici: what's yours?
[08:35] <shirish> I guess we are stuck till we don't have these 2 upgrades, a newer python-qt3 and reportbug-ng
[08:36] <Pici> shirish: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32395/
[08:37] <Pici> mine is more broken than yours ;)
[08:37] <gnomefreak> Pici: they are working on a workaround for your ardour issue
[08:37] <Pici> gnomefreak: I didnt have an ardour issue. But thanks
[08:37] <gnomefreak> shirish: yes python-* is causing that issue riddell is working on it still
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Pici: someone this morning couldnt install ubuntu studio due to ardour
[08:38] <Pici> Yes, I saw it mentioned in motu- or devel- I assumed it was being worked on
[08:38] <gnomefreak> sorry if it wasnt you
[08:38] <Pici> gnomefreak: Looks like it was tatters
[08:38] <vlowther> woah -- NM actually managed to connect to a network with a hidden SSID!
[08:39] <gnomefreak> wait till you get the new one
[08:39] <gnomefreak> :(
[08:39] <gnomefreak> no im kidding its all good, im testing the new one for gutsy atm
[08:42] <shirish> Pici: it isn't some kinda race, just to let you know, that's the only qt program that's allowed in my beloved GNOME or XFCE reqirement, no QT evilness thank you :P
[08:42] <Pici> shirish: You know I was only kidding right? :)
[08:43] <shirish> Pici: I know, and I hope you know the same :)
[08:43] <shirish> btw anybody got their hands on this warzone game or its still in queue somewhere?
[08:44] <kiba_> warzone?
[08:44] <kiba_> GPL
[08:44] <kiba_> ed
[08:45] <shirish> kiba_: its there in universe, I just saw it today in gutsy-changes, there is warzone & warzone-data described as RTS game
[08:45] <kiba_> shirish: I played it before
[08:45] <shirish> its an initial release I guess, don't know much about it, just heard it
[08:45] <kiba_> it is not that good for me
[08:45] <shirish> kiba_: any idea about system requirements? needs a 3-d card or something or what?
[08:46] <kiba_> seem to be 3d
[08:46] <kiba_> it will run fine
[08:46] <kiba_> because I run it on a sucky previous generation computer before
[08:47] <shirish> kiba_: its descibed as 3d RTS game, I'm on p4 1.8 ghz on 8 MB VRAM, 600 something DDR RAM 200 mhz.
[08:47] <kiba_> sucky previous generation computer = mean if you have a current computer, it will run fine
[08:48] <kiba_> shirish: will run fine
[08:48] <kiba_> 1.2 GB so far for download...
[08:48] <shirish> kiba_: ok thanx for the boost , will see how it works
[08:48] <shirish> kiba_: you upgrading from feisty to gutsy or what?
[08:48] <kiba_> I alreadyd have
[08:49] <shirish> what's the 1.2 GiB to download thing then
[08:49] <kiba_> it consume lot of bandwidth..linux users are the kind that demand lot of bandwidth don't they?
[08:49] <kiba_> shirish: so far in one continous session for my computer
[08:49] <shirish> kiba_: ah ok, I know what you mean, now
[08:49] <kiba_> I download that much
[08:50] <shirish> how were you able to establish how much you are downloading per session?
[08:50] <shirish> some app. your ISP tells you?
[08:51] <kiba_> system monitor
[08:51] <shirish> ah ok, I never used it much
[08:51] <kiba_> system > adminstration > system monitor
[08:51] <kiba_> would be nice to see how much I used in a month, year...
[08:51] <shirish> I know where it is, just never used it
[08:52] <kiba_> I am trying to max out the resource of my computer
[08:52] <shirish> true, does it do stuff in the background, kinda gathering the stats so one could look when one feels like?
[08:52] <kiba_> yeah..it gather stats in real time
[08:52] <shirish> ok cool
[08:53] <kiba_> I think linux users required a lot of bandwidth to support
[08:53] <kiba_> because they can upgrade the software pretty easily
[08:53] <kiba_> window users have a tough time because they don't have an integrated package management system that make that sort of feast easy
[08:54] <shirish> kiba_: true
[08:54] <shirish> you meant feat I guess
[08:54] <kiba_> yeah
[08:54] <kiba_> I guess Free softwares are going to have the tendancy to consume lot more resources
[08:55] <shirish> true
[08:55] <kiba_> you're talking about softwares that can distributed freely
[08:55] <kiba_> s/can/can be
[08:55] <shirish> esp. with dual-cores & then four-cores coming up for sure
[08:55] <kiba_> legally
[08:55] <kiba_> I have dual cores
[08:55] <shirish> true to all
[08:55] <kiba_> every computer will have them
[08:55] <shirish> I hope so
[08:56] <kiba_> I purchased a low end computer and it have dual core
[08:56] <shirish> kiba_: I do have bad news thougb, the creator of CUPS (Easy Software) bought by apple people :(
[08:56] <kiba_> if it is free, somebody can fork it
[08:56] <shirish> it's been bad taste in the mouth since I heard that news
[08:56] <kiba_> s/free/Free
[08:57] <shirish> its under GPL as well as LGPL
[08:57] <kiba_> softwares that would cost million of dollars to developed through proprietary means.....are available on the net for free
[08:57] <shirish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS
[08:58] <shirish> kiba_: also, I don't think it will be in the future, as there is a blueprint called apt-torrent so that should give us some more load-balancing
[08:59] <kiba_> shirish: even if there are systemic bittorrent, we will still consume lot of bandwidth
[08:59] <shirish> and of course there are gonna be people who are gonna make servers to download updates & distribute among them, I know of couple of compnaies which do that
[08:59] <kiba_> just the load won't be on the servers so much
[08:59] <kiba_> Linux users are probably not the kind of customers ISPs would like to have :P
[08:59] <shirish> true, its going to be more bandwidth even if linux was not there, since people have discovered bittorrent & video blogging & all kinds of video conferencing
[09:00] <shirish> I wonder why, because we consume lot of bandwidth , but if weren't then people would still be in dial-up mode
[09:00] <shirish> its due to us that they survive & are upbeat about
[09:02] <shirish> atleast their business model, have bandwidth- will-sell - customers come for greater speeds etc. holds good
[09:02] <RyanT5000> how can i tell apt-get to use wine out of gutsy while keeping everything else from feisty?
[09:02] <kiba_> shirish: dailup is a competivie area
[09:02] <gnomefreak> RyanT5000: you dont want to do that
[09:02] <kiba_> compared to their broadband counterpart
[09:02] <kiba_> that's why it is cheap to use dailup
[09:02] <RyanT5000> gnomefreak: well there has to be some way to install wine higher than 9.33
[09:03] <kiba_> oh boy, I am lagging pretty badly
[09:03] <gnomefreak> RyanT5000: build it from source if you want newer packages or upgrade to gutsy(not recommended)
[09:04] <RyanT5000> gnomefreak: alright, i'm ok with that; i take it i should get the source from winehq directly rather than from apt-get?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> RyanT5000: right
[09:07] <shirish> gnomefreak: have you tried the test build out of FF-GPa7 ?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> shirish: not yet i have somehting i need to get done first
[09:08] <shirish> gnomefreak: ok cool, although I have subscribed to the mailing list just to know what's happening there.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> i will try it later
[09:11] <shirish> ok cool
[09:12] <gnomefreak> shirish: what date was a7 released?
[09:17] <shirish> gnomefreak: today
[09:17] <shirish> http://quality.mozilla.org/events/test-days
[09:17] <gnomefreak> shirish: ok it may be minday that i get to it than, i want a few nightlys to pass to make sure
[09:17] <shirish> its actually a7rc1 which is out today
[09:17] <gnomefreak> rc1 is next release
[09:17] <shirish> rc1 for a7
[09:18] <shirish> gnomefreak: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/1.9a7-candidates/rc1/
[09:18] <shirish> gnomefreak: I guess you got what I meant, and i guess you will wait till the final is out
[09:21] <gnomefreak> i need a 3 day(give or take) time between when released alpha/beta/rc/whatever until i build it
[09:22] <shirish> gnomefreak: understood, will inform you when a7 final is out :)
[09:23] <gnomefreak> shirish: ill get email on it
[09:23] <shirish> ok cool :)
[10:23] <irwiss> Anywhere I could read how the versioning in ubuntu is going? I installed gutsy 3 thinking there's xorg 7.3 in it, yet it's still 7.2, or at least the new nvidia driver. Is there some experimental repository I have to include?
[10:29] <soundray> irwiss: the Tribe numbers have nothing to do with any packages inside.
[10:31] <soundray> irwiss: I don't think there is a Xorg 7.3 repo for ubuntu.
[10:32] <irwiss> I guess it's in TODOs still?
[10:37] <soundray> irwiss: I don't think it will be included in gutsy
[10:40] <finalbeta> soundray: irwiss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[10:41] <finalbeta> There is always a page like that for every release
[10:43] <irwiss> finalbeta; Thanks
[10:52] <soundray> finalbeta: that's useful, thanks
[11:29] <kiba> hello
[12:20] <auTONYmous> X is fubared for me on Gutsy...
[12:20] <auTONYmous> something crashing with PS2 recognition...not sure what changed, but it's got to do with PS2
[12:21] <auTONYmous> worked fine in previous versions of X (up to 7.1).
[12:22] <auTONYmous> single mode (console) is ok. When X loads, full system lockup.
[12:22] <auTONYmous> (or at least user interaction from keyboard/mouse on PS2)
[12:23] <auTONYmous> could be ACPI, but I doubt it.
[12:26] <auTONYmous> This happens with the 2.6.22-8 and -9 kernels..I don't believe its a kernel issue. Only time it works is with "acip=off"
[12:26] <auTONYmous> oops..."acpi=off"


[09:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapcraft (bionic-proposed/universe) [2.42+18.04 => 2.42+18.04.1] (no packageset)
[09:37] <sergiusens> slangasek if you happen to be around, mind accepting that snapcraft 2.42 I just dput into bionic? I don't know what diffences we may have but this was green for what we pushed into bionic as 2.42+18.04 as seen by https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2107 and this fix is now also green as seen on https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2110
[09:37] <ubot5-ng`> snapcore bug (Pull request) 2107 in snapcraft "Release changelog for 2.42" (comments: 0) [Closed]
[09:37] <ubot5-ng`> snapcore bug (Pull request) 2110 in snapcraft "tests: conditionally add python3-distutils" (comments: 0) [Open]
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> can we still sync a bugfix from Debian?
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ext-pack/+bug/1767402
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> this is what I'm talking about
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> just an hash changed upstream, so the downloader fails to verify it
[11:02] <LocutusOfBorg> one-line fix
[11:07] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: I think sync it, and then release team can decide whether to unblock
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks I don't want to SRU when I have 3 bugs already on both debian and Ubuntu
[11:09] <LocutusOfBorg> (with different versioning=
[11:10] <ginggs> you can always upload a SRU ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> version if it is rejected
[11:10] <LocutusOfBorg> sure, but I prefer to avoid it :)
[11:10] <ginggs> of course
[13:42] <pietroalbini> while debugging why users weren't able to download ubuntu server from the italian loco website (ubuntu-it.org), I discovered the iso archive directory structure changed between artful and bionic
[13:43] <pietroalbini> what's the difference between cdimages.u.c/.../ubuntu-18.04-server-amd64.iso and releases.u.c/.../ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso?
[13:45] <pietroalbini> (a revert to the old structure would be awesome, but I understand why you don't want to do it now ;) )
[13:47] <krytarik> See the server release notes on alternate vs live images.
[13:48] <pietroalbini> oh, ok, thanks
[17:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virtualbox-ext-pack (bionic-proposed/multiverse) [5.2.10-3 => 5.2.10-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[18:29] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept the ext-pack <3