[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <tdaitx> \o
[15:01] <pitti> ~o~
[15:01]  * genii makes another pot of coffee
[15:02]  * slangasek waves
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun  2 15:03:03 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk)
[15:03] <slangasek> pitti robru cyphermox tdaitx doko sil2100 xnox slangasek barry infinity caribou bdmurray chiluk
[15:03]  * chiluk = winning.
[15:03] <pitti> slangasek: FYI, caribou will be a bit late, but he's close to the end so that's fine
[15:03] <pitti> win!
[15:03] <pitti> convergence-y-replace-upstart: settled down the architecture and converted about a third of our session upstart jobs to systemd, the two live happily side by side, all in a PPA now as a PoC; this is now ready for a little sprint with the desktop team to complete this, proposed for end July (TBD)
[15:03] <pitti> foundations-y-local-resolver: landed and announced the changes; this caused some fallout about DNS caching and domain specific DNS servers, resulting in two more WIs
[15:03] <pitti> Ubuntu network YAML config: pinned down design with the server team enough to be able to start working on a prototype; but snappy team has different use cases and a parallel spec which looks rather different; scheduled meeting with lool tomorrow to unify those. This is becoming homungus, it will take quite some more time to pin down the design for this, so /!\ this might land late
[15:03] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:04] <pitti>  - Add self-autopkgtest for building and using an LXD container
[15:04] <pitti>  - Refine apt pinning → source version mapping heuristics (didn't work for ktnef and linux-raspi2)
[15:04] <pitti>  - Support packages for sources which haven't been rebuilt since precise (#1588199)
[15:04] <pitti>  - lots of manual maintenance and cleanup after several infra troubles
[15:04] <pitti> systemd:
[15:04] <pitti>  - debug resolved crashes
[15:04] <pitti>  - Fix comments in resolve.conf for search domain overflows (#1588229)
[15:04] <pitti>  - Fix networkd integration with resolvconf for domain-limited DNS servers (#1587762)
[15:04] <pitti>  - Fix LSB init-functions integration with upstream master
[15:04] <pitti> distro changes/fixes:
[15:04] <pitti>  - dropped init/systemd from essential, thus buildd chroots now don't have it any more (hello infinity)
[15:04] <pitti>  - dropped initscripts from default install, a big step towards dropping sysvinit
[15:04] <pitti>  - apport: Fix retracing of arm64/ppc64el reports (#1585702)
[15:04] <pitti>  - at-spi2-atk: Fix to work with dbus-user-session
[15:04] <pitti>  - init-system-helpers: Fix deb-systemd-invoke interpretation of policy-rc.d (Debian #825075)
[15:04] <pitti>  - debug/fix invoke-rc.d failure in containers (#1587903)
[15:04] <pitti>  - Some ubuntu-minimal/standard seed cleanup
[15:04] <pitti> (end)
[15:04] <robru> lp:bileto
[15:04] <robru> * successful rollout of build parallelization branch
[15:04] <robru>   - fixed a few regressions identified by users
[15:04] <robru>   - reviewed running jobs to ensure things were working for everybody
[15:04] <robru>   - answered a lot of user questions
[15:04] <robru> lp:cupstream2distro
[15:04] <robru> * a few minor fixes to sync with lp:bileto
[15:04] <robru>   - support for comments in MP lists
[15:04] <robru>   - new filename format for diffs
[15:04] <robru> (done)
[15:04] <cyphermox> MIR:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - python-yaql
[15:04] <cyphermox> SRU:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - ipmitool sel time set TZ parsing (bug LP: #1586048)
[15:04] <cyphermox> - secureboot efivar/efibootmgr/mokutil to P&T
[15:04] <cyphermox> precise:
[15:04] <cyphermox> - debugging binutils segfault on i386
[15:04] <cyphermox>   - this is required for the sbsigntool backport for Secure Boot support
[15:05] <cyphermox> xenial:
[15:05] <cyphermox> - console-setup SRU (bug LP: #1572697, bug LP: #1576893, bug LP: #1579267)
[15:05] <cyphermox> yakkety:
[15:05] <cyphermox> - NM wwan icon fixes (bug LP: #1571574)
[15:05] <cyphermox> - investigate mdadm install/upgrade issues
[15:05] <cyphermox> ±other stuff:
[15:05] <cyphermox> - DNS resolver discussion w/ pitti and awe
[15:05] <cyphermox> - various meetings about networking
[15:05] <cyphermox> - Lenovo tech here in 20 minutes to fix my X230
[15:05] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:05] <tdaitx> Note: short week, away on Friday
[15:05] <tdaitx> = JCK
[15:05] <tdaitx>    - done an initial setup of autopkgtest infra locally with canonistack swift, stopped midway as this is not the best way to get JCK to run
[15:05] <tdaitx>    - Got Jenkins installed locally and started setting it up to run together with a slave
[15:05] <tdaitx>    - Requested a Jenkins instance with a pair of slaves for amd64, arm64, and ppc64el, requested for Xenial slaves; ongoing
[15:05] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:05] <tdaitx>    - On vacation next week, will see you all on the sprint ;-)
[15:05] <tdaitx>    - After the sprint I will be working half a day for 2 weeks
[15:05] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:06] <pitti> tdaitx: JCK> what was the blocker, something missing in autopkgtest, or canonistack not being up to the task?
[15:06] <sil2100> doko: ?
[15:06] <tdaitx> btw, thanks pitti for the help with autopkgtest =)
[15:06] <bdmurray> doko is at pycon
[15:07] <sil2100> Ok
[15:07] <sil2100> - Shorter week, Friday off
[15:07] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:07] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:07] <sil2100> - Xenial touch transition:
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Adding pocket-desktop packages to the list of unbuildable package checks
[15:07] <pitti> tdaitx: I guess we shoudl talk about that; you setting up an entierly parallel infra doesn't sound very efficient
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Looking into why unity-scope-click is FTBFS on arm64 (oxide build-dep chain)
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Poking and coordinating various arm64 related tasks
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Reverting the lxc revert for yakkety-overlay and xenial-overlay
[15:07] <sil2100> - OTA-11:
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Preparing release notes, sending release e-mails
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Copying images to stable and starting phasing
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Various actions on additional testing - emulator not publishable again
[15:07] <sil2100> - Helping out in investigating the issue with OTAs not downloading (LP: #1588370)
[15:07] <pitti> tdaitx: excellent sprint matter for Greece :)
[15:07] <sil2100> - Removing deprecated ubuntu-touch frameworks
[15:07] <tdaitx> pitti: even the logs have to private... I believe jenkaas can provide what I actually need
[15:07] <sil2100> - Preparing silo with upstream crasher fix cherrypick for lxc
[15:07] <sil2100> - Preparing silo for vivid-overlay ltt-controls follow up on the ust backport
[15:07] <sil2100> - Start documenting the current manual image re-spin process
[15:07] <sil2100> - Some work on the re-sign-indexes script after key rotation in system-image (merged)
[15:07] <sil2100> (done)
[15:08] <tdaitx> pitti: but I will be using autopkgtest for the jtreg build that is run on openjdk builds ;-
[15:08] <tdaitx> ;-)
[15:08] <pitti> sil2100: \o/
[15:08] <pitti> sil2100: to be clear, that's both migrating to xenial and to arm64?
[15:09] <sil2100> pitti: yeah, we're doing both at once basically
[15:09] <slangasek> skipping xnox for now, he said he would be here toward the end of the meeting due to conflict
[15:09] <pitti> sil2100: die, vivid, die! :-)
[15:09] <slangasek>  * short week, Memorial Day
[15:09] <slangasek>  * SRU processing, including some work for the SecureBoot policy update
[15:09] <slangasek>  * pushing the libpoppler library transition along through p-m
[15:09] <slangasek>  * discussions around network-config yaml interface for 16.10
[15:09] <slangasek>  * discussions around snappy first-boot experience
[15:09] <slangasek>  * tweaks to packaging of snappy components
[15:09] <slangasek> (done)
[15:10] <slangasek> barry also at pycon
[15:10] <slangasek> infinity not here
[15:10] <slangasek> is caribou here now?
[15:11] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:11] <bdmurray> short week w/ Monday holiday
[15:11] <bdmurray> further tests of retracing arm64 and ppc64el crashes
[15:11] <bdmurray> modifications to the retracer charm to retrace arm64 crashes
[15:11] <bdmurray> tested retracing arm64 crashes in staging ET
[15:11] <bdmurray> added retracer configuations for arm64 and ppc64el to daisy code
[15:11] <bdmurray> modifications to daisy to keep track of retrace attempts and only try 3 times
[15:11] <bdmurray> worked with webops to resolve an errors frontend failure
[15:11] <bdmurray> irc discussion regarding SRU bugs not being commented on and how LP works
[15:11] <bdmurray> modifications to SRU tools to add release tasks
[15:11] <bdmurray> added a hint for xenial for fpc
[15:11] <bdmurray> discussed fpc autopkgtest "regression" with pitti
[15:11] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <caribou> slangasek: o/
[15:12] <pitti> bdmurray: thanks for setting up overrides for stables, much appreicated
[15:12] <pitti> and tpying is hrad
[15:12] <slangasek> caribou: hi! you're up :)
[15:12] <chiluk> you mean me..
[15:12] <caribou> Bugfix :
[15:12] <caribou>  - Quassel does not play sound (LP: #1506550)
[15:12] <caribou>    Investigating FTBS on X & Y
[15:12] <caribou> Development work:
[15:12] <caribou>  - makedumpfile development
[15:12] <caribou>    Uploaded to Debian. Will sync
[15:12] <caribou>    when kexec-tools merge is completed
[15:12] <caribou>  - Various merges :*
[15:12] <caribou>    corosync
[15:12] <caribou>    kexec-tools
[15:12] <caribou>  - sosreport development
[15:12] <caribou>    Rearrange debian git repo
[15:12] <caribou>    Prepare new version
[15:12] <caribou>  - Interviews
[15:12] <caribou>  ☑ Done
[15:13] <sil2100> pitti: hah, will be a while since it's completely dead tho ;)
[15:13] <pitti> sil2100: only three out of nine lives gone?
[15:13] <tdaitx> bdmurray: what irc channel did the "sru comments/lp works" discussion take place at?
[15:13] <chiluk> * Short Week - memorial day
[15:13] <chiluk> * Mostly non-public work
[15:13] <chiluk> * LP#1581236 - Tested upstream kernel + patches on my haswell box with no benefits.  Need to verify if my nvidia card in my test rig is the issue.
[15:13] <chiluk> * LP#1579917 - Tested upstream kernel + patches, but saw no benefit.  Need
[15:13] <chiluk> * Looked at merging partman-auto, quassel, and mdadm some more.  cyphermox told me to stop with the d-i components due to the rewrite.  I need some guidance for quassel and mdadm, as they both look like they have some broken ancenstry.  Basically quassel requires merging each upstream change when using grab-merge (I'd expect non-conflicting changes to just be applied). That doesn't seem right.
[15:13] <caribou> chiluk: sorry for jumping the gun on oy
[15:13] <chiluk> -done-
[15:13] <chiluk> no worries caribou.
[15:14] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:14] <caribou> chiluk: if you look at quassel, it has ftbs since xenial
[15:15] <chiluk> slangasek I'll direct my merge questions to ubuntu+1-maint channel.
[15:15] <chiluk> later.. I usually look at merges for the last hour of my day or so.. which is probably not optimal.
[15:16] <slangasek> heh, k
[15:16] <caribou> I've been using the server team's git workflow; wfm
[15:16] <caribou> to merge I mean
[15:17] <chiluk> yeah.. I haven't looked too much at that yet..
[15:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Sprint prep
[15:17] <bdmurray> tdaitx: ubuntu-release
[15:17] <tdaitx> bdmurray: thanks!
[15:18] <slangasek> sprint is coming up on us fast; since no one volunteered last week ;), I've set up a doc for our agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rdiLICseBxX6Gml586DR1YDaFmbYuGEUcayFKdYAWRY/edit
[15:18] <slangasek> please add to it
[15:18] <slangasek> and if you have doubts about what you should be working on at the sprint, come talk to me :)
[15:19] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:19] <slangasek> anything else for today?
[15:20] <bdmurray> I'm planning on setting up retracers for arm64 and while we could for ppc64el, is there much need?
[15:21] <slangasek> it's not a burning priority
[15:21] <slangasek> but is it easier to just set it up at the same time?
[15:22] <bdmurray> Yes it would be the same amount of work.
[15:22] <pitti> tdaitx: want to talk about autopkgtest-ifying the JCK?
[15:22] <pitti> tdaitx: (the test format, not necessarily the infra0
[15:22] <tdaitx> pitti: not for JCK, possibily for OpenJDK packaging tests that are run during the build now
[15:22] <bdmurray> pitti: Do you have arm64 retracers for LP?
[15:22] <pitti> bdmurray: not ATM
[15:22] <pitti> only x86, powerpc, and armhf
[15:23] <pitti> no arm64, no ppc64el
[15:23] <pitti> and no s390x either
[15:23] <tdaitx> pitti: but I need to sit down and try my hand at them before I have an actual valid question =)
[15:23] <pitti> tdaitx: ok; I think providing them in our standard format is still valuable for running locally, even if you might end up running them on a separate infar
[15:24] <pitti> infra
[15:25] <tdaitx> pitti: alright, then lets put that on the agenda
[15:25] <pitti> gosh, this gdoc thing is impossible
[15:26] <pitti> slangasek: thanks for trying to unindent that; the unindent button doesn't work, and it seems I'm too dense to drive that
[15:26]  * pitti is too used to Markdown and wiki :/
[15:26] <slangasek> pitti: yes, I had noticed the same problem, I don't know what I did wrong with that doc to break unindent
[15:26] <slangasek> anyway, seems like we can end the meeting and go fight with collaborative doc editing now
[15:26] <pitti> slangasek: normally that shoudl be the third-most button from the right, no?
[15:27] <slangasek> there, figured it out ;)
[15:27] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun  2 15:27:20 2016 UTC.
[15:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-06-02-15.03.moin.txt
[15:27] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:27] <caribou> slangasek: thanks!
[15:28] <pitti> thanks everyone
[15:34] <sil2100> o/
[15:47] <xnox> slangasek, i'm done =)
[15:47] <xnox> oh well.
[20:45] <grvrulz> Hey @channel. I was supposed to be here for the UTC 20:00 membership meeting, but couldn't be here  due to connectivity issues. Should I stick around for the UTC 22:00 one??
[20:52] <pleia2> grvrulz: that seems like a reasonable thing to do
[20:52] <grvrulz> pleia2: Thanks, I'll stick around. :)
[22:01] <grvrulz> Hi everyone, I'm here for the UTC 22:00 membership board meeting.
[22:13] <grvrulz> I guess nobody came.
[22:16] <grvrulz> I'll probably get back in the next one. Thanks anyways.


[02:13] <tmkt> hey hey
[02:13] <tmkt> any reason why i'm not getting 0.23.1 from the repos?
[02:23] <tgm4883> tmkt, you don't have the 0.23.1 repo activated?
[03:37] <tmkt> did a dpkg-reconfigure on mythbuntu-repos
[03:38] <tmkt> and only see 0.23 and 0.24 as options
[04:06] <superm1> tmkt, apt-get dist-upgrade, make sure you get the new mythbuntu-repos
[04:06] <superm1> if you dont get one, then apt-cache policy mythbuntu-repos
[04:16] <Technophil> Can someone check Mythbuntu Widescreen mytharchive buttons for font text please, the text is missing for my 0.23, up to date.
[04:20] <Technophil> bbs
[04:34] <tgm4883> tmkt, you need mythbuntu-repos 8.2
[04:47] <Mito-2> Hey all
[04:48] <Mito-2> just getting back into the MythTV thing after being out of it for over 2 years and having an issue I'm hoping someone here can help me with...
[04:48] <Mito-2> I have a new MCE/WMC remote that I'm trying to get to work, but when I use it, a red light comes on the receiver and just stays on
[04:49] <Mito-2> After some research some say its a problem with lirc caused by a recent kernel update
[04:50] <Mito-2> does anyone know anything about this, and is there anything that can be done?
[19:09] <qwebirc42328> hey all, I am trying to configure my ATI X1300 to correctly run tv-out, and I stumbled upon the ATI ArchWiki help page. Unfortunately, upon following their tv-out instructions and configuring xrandr, it keeps throwing this error: BadName(color or font doesn't exist) major opcode: 149 minor opcode: 11. I was wondering if anyone could help me with this?
[19:16] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: assuming buy an nvidia card isn't a valid solution :)
[19:30] <qwebirc42328> lol, it definitely isn't unfortunately
[19:36] <qwebirc42328> the problem is i'm getting green and purple crosshatched lines
[19:36] <qwebirc42328> and i figured that the s-video isn't configured properly to display tv-out
[19:37] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: any way of setting tv mode output?
[19:37] <rhpot1991> on nvidia you normally specify if its component, composite, svideo, etc
[19:37] <rhpot1991> I haven't touched ati in ages so I prob wont be much use here
[19:39] <qwebirc42328> apparently setting it to auto almost helped, lol. i can read it now
[19:39] <qwebirc42328> i used 'sudo xrandr --output S-video --auto
[19:40] <qwebirc42328> and now it just has dotted horizontal lines
[19:40] <qwebirc42328> but the odd thing is, there's about 6-7 inches of space w/o any dotted lines so
[19:41] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: positive its not some dipslay port that has a dongle for it?
[19:42] <qwebirc42328> display port? it's just a standard s-video line from my box to the tv. it's a newer vizio, but I'm trying to make it work with a standard ntsc signal to be compatible with my 1996 hitachi ultravision rear-projected tv
[19:42] <rhpot1991> no no from the video card
[19:43] <rhpot1991> a lot of them started doing dongles out of that svideo like port
[19:43] <rhpot1991> and then you would hook up to that
[19:43] <rhpot1991> then they could do component and such out
[19:43] <qwebirc42328> i see. can you send me a link as an example to the dongle that you would hook up?
[19:43] <rhpot1991> theorizing that you may be bypassing the dongle and getting a weird signal in the process
[19:43] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: well it would have came with one
[19:44] <qwebirc42328> because that might be the issue i'm facing. i mean i can see most of the screen. and the card just came with the card, lol
[19:44] <qwebirc42328> but it wasn't in-box. it was used
[19:44] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: something like this: http://compeve.com/video-cards/accessories/nvidia-fx-ati-hdtv-adapter-cable-s-video-component-rgb-hd
[19:44] <Zinn> [compeve.com] nVidia FX, ATI, HDTV Adapter Cable,S-Video, Component,RGB, HD [417149-001] - $11.00 : High-End Workstation Graphics, nVidia Quadro FX | ATI FireGL | Matrox | PC, Server Components
[19:44] <rhpot1991> if your card didn't come with one then most likely not
[19:45] <rhpot1991> check your manual
[19:46] <qwebirc42328> it was a $15 card, so it's nothing fancy. but i'm checking it now to see. it's a sapphire ati radeon x1300 i believe. it might not be sapphire but it's the same card
[19:46] <qwebirc42328> it does say that it's hdtv compatible...hmm
[19:47] <qwebirc42328> ooh i have one of those laying around too! sweet
[19:50] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: wouldn't hurt to try and plug it in as long as it fits
[19:50] <qwebirc42328> hmm. well i can't locate it but i found a vga to svideo adapter! lol
[19:53] <rhpot1991> qwebirc42328: I have one of those somewhere too, but I wouldn't want to use it ever again
[19:54] <qwebirc42328> bad picture quality?
[19:54] <qwebirc42328> well as far as i can tell so far it's s-video
[19:55] <qwebirc42328> 4-pin s-video only connects via one rca, correct?
[21:32] <jac1d> Hello All.  I have some new OTA channels available in my area.  I have added them to my schedulesdirect.org settings but when I do a mythfilldatabase they don't appear as channels
[21:32] <Zinn> [schedulesdirect.org] Schedules Direct
[21:32] <jac1d> How can I cause the system to update my channel list, removing old channels and including the new ones?
[21:41] <tgm4883> jac1d, did you go into mythtv-setup and grab the updates?
[21:42] <tgm4883> I think you need to go into mythtv-setup and redownload the channellist, I dont' think it adds more automatically if you add them in SD
[21:42] <tgm4883> I could be wrong though
[21:43] <rhpot1991> mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates I think
[21:43]  * rhpot1991 checks
[21:43] <rhpot1991> I was right
[21:44] <rhpot1991> I had an issue before where it wasn't adding them though, I had to redo my sources to fix it, never figured out why
[21:45] <jac1d> ok, will try do-channel-list in a moment
[21:51] <jac1d> Nope, no luck
[21:51] <jac1d> Still have channels I shouldn't and don' thave the two new ones I added either :S
[21:58] <rhpot1991> jac1d: you may need to scan for channels again, I don't do OTA just clear QAM and cable
[22:00] <jac1d> shouldn't matter that it is ota as I use the SD guide data, not OTA guide data
[22:00] <jac1d> I also want it to forget channels on my other source (IPTV from telco) that it learned... HDs I don't get that SD addded at some point
[22:00] <rhpot1991> jac1d: well I mean in mythtv-setup
[22:01] <rhpot1991> where you click get channels from source
[22:01] <rhpot1991> or scan the signal for them
[22:01] <jac1d> I'll tkae a look... in the past I've blown away the prorgam and channel tables in the db and re-run mythfilldatabase but I haven't fotten around to getting the pw out yet
[23:20] <dewman> anyone use bacula here for backups? I know....Wrong channel.... =)


[00:08] <rtdos> what do i need to install to play windows media audio streams (radio) ?
[00:19] <asfyxia> @rtdos, hoping i understand what you mean, but audacious or vlc will play anything ;-)
[00:20] <rtdos> asfyxia - i'm using radio try and can't seem to pick up all radio streams. i think i'm missing some codecs.
[00:21] <asfyxia> ok rtdos what OS are you playing with at this time ?
[00:21] <rtdos> kde :)
[00:22] <rtdos> works for most streams but does not seem to work with wma streams
[00:23] <asfyxia> oK, did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[00:38] <rtdos> yes.
[00:38] <rtdos> should i re-install
[00:47] <precubcr> hy please need ure help people
[00:48] <precubcr> i have installed kubuntu 10.10 and updated with kpackage but when restart, happens this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-853V83r8
[00:57] <Fanfare> precubcr: looks like an unfinished install...
[00:57] <precubcr> no ..
[00:57] <precubcr> it was perfect
[01:03] <Fanfare> precubcr: did u try an sudo apt-get check
[01:04] <precubcr> no what does it do ?
[01:05] <Fanfare> precubcr: check is a diagnostic tool; it updates the package cache and checks for broken dependencies.
[01:06] <precubcr> aha
[01:06] <precubcr> ok
[01:06] <precubcr> and also fixes them ¿?
[01:06] <Fanfare> precubcr: german?
[01:06] <precubcr> no english :( spanish roanian
[01:07] <Fanfare> precubcr: it gives hints when it finds missing dependencies
[01:07] <precubcr> ok thx ill do one check now ;)
[02:00] <Blueleaf> l
[02:07] <Guest87561> hello
[02:08] <Daskreech> Hi
[02:08] <Daskreech> Blueleaf: M
[02:24] <bfreis> Hi. I have Ubuntu 10.10, and yesterday I wanted to try kubuntu. I really disliked it, and now I want to remove it from my pc. However, following the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureGnome does not work. I get the following errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554938/
[02:24] <bfreis> Any ideas?
[02:25] <Daskreech> That's the 10.04 instruction
[02:26] <bfreis> hmm, right, do you know of some more up-to-date instructions?
[02:29] <Daskreech> Nope but try removing those one by one to see if one of them is blocker
[02:31] <bfreis> I've tried to remove all but the packages listed as errors, it seems to work
[02:31] <bfreis> At least, it will remove those packages
[02:31] <bfreis> unfortunately, it will also remove gnome
[02:31] <bfreis> very, very strange
[02:49] <gregory> hi all
[02:51] <claus> Hi!
[02:52] <claus> im just new to kubuntu and i got a question. I got a USB-Headset but the only way i can edit the soundoutput is via systemsettings and then multimedia -> Phonon and set priority
[02:53] <claus> is there an easier way to do that? On the other hand my mic doesnt seem to work.. it always sets it back to the intern soundcard as default recordingdevice
[02:53] <claus> how can i fix this? when i select my usbheadset as recording device in ts3 direktly, ts3 crashes
[02:58] <cano> hi
[03:15] <TuskRattle> HEY I HEARD THIS IS WHERE ALL THE HIPSTERS GO. SO what is up
[03:16] <TuskRattle> how can i get help with my kubuntu problems
[03:16] <TuskRattle> primary focus is to have sex
[03:16] <TuskRattle> thank you
[03:16] <TuskRattle> i will be patient
[03:17] <TuskRattle> now i am just bore
[03:25] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:24] <kwtm> Hi! How can I take advantage of the extra buttons on my mouse, which apparently in Windows are for "forward" and "back" on the web browser? (They are on the left side of the mouse.)  I use Kubuntu 10.04.
[04:41] <ggeorgy> hi =is possible to open a jar file in ubuntu???
[04:43] <cameleon> in a terminal cd to the folder containing your jar file and type "java -jar yourjar.jar". obvuiously replace yourjar.jar with te file you want to run
[04:46] <ggeorgy> error  No such file or directory
[04:47] <cameleon> did you change folder to the one required?
[04:48] <ggeorgy> i downloaded the file in downloads
[04:50] <cameleon> then in a terminal use the cd command to change folder to your downloads folder. This is done generally by opening a terminal and typeing cd Downloads
[04:51] <cameleon> then type java -jar yourfile.jar
[04:59] <ggeorgy> sont work
[04:59] <ggeorgy> dont work
[05:00] <cameleon> what exactly are you typing in the terminal?
[05:01] <cameleon> have you installed the java runtime?
[05:02] <ggeorgy> i put the file in home folder and type cd /home is ok .but when type java -jar yourfile.jar =error"Unable to access jarfile operette-hifi_getjar-en.jar
[05:02] <ggeorgy> "
[05:03] <ggeorgy> i installed open jdk 6 runtime
[05:03] <ggeorgy> from restricted extras
[05:05] <cameleon> try moving it to your documents folder and trying again. There may be issues with executing files from the home folder directly
[05:08] <ggeorgy> is the same error bash: cd: documents: No such file or directory
[05:08] <rww> Documents has a capital D. Your filesystem is case-sensitive.
[05:10] <cameleon> you may need to change the files permissions. Right click the jar file and  select properties, check the box saying ""Allow executing file as program"
[05:10] <cameleon> also yes sorry about the non capitalised "Documents"
[05:12] <ggeorgy> is the same error
[05:13] <ggeorgy> work only in home folder
[05:14] <cameleon> is the jar file in your Documents folder or the home folder?
[05:14] <ggeorgy> home
[05:16] <cameleon> then the command will not work in any other folder. The java -jar command must be executed in the same folder as the jar file.
[05:19] <kwtm> ggeorgy: Not sure if this was covered: your home folder is *not* called "/home".  If your user name is "ggeorgy" (let's say), then your home folder is "/home/ggeorgy".
[05:19] <kwtm> ggeorgy: You can also use "~" most of the time to replace "/home/ggeorgy", so "~/Documents" means "/home/ggeorgy/Documents".
[05:20] <youngray> hello?
[05:20] <kwtm> ggeorgy: Under other circumstances, you might need to put "$HOME", which is less convenient but works under more circumstances.  Like, "$HOME/Documents".
[05:20] <kwtm> youngray: we hear you.  Ask.
[05:21] <youngray> im just new here:)
[05:21] <youngray> im not asking questionsXD
[05:21] <ggeorgy> ok
[05:25] <kwtm> youngray: Welcome; but if you want more insight into k/Ubuntu, I find that the #ubuntu channel is much livelier and more than makes up for the fact that most of it is non-KDE.
[05:26] <youngray> thx,kwtm.
[05:27] <youngray> but english is not my native english.
[05:27] <youngray> i am trying find chanel in chinese.
[05:27] <ggeorgy> i tryed and i have an error Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from
[05:27] <ggeorgy> file.jar
[05:27] <sagaci> !cn
[05:29] <kwtm> 恐怕中文台不活躍。 Ubuntu的通道可能是值得聽。
[05:29] <youngray> thx
[05:29] <kwtm> [translation: the Chinese channel isn't that active.  The Ubuntu channel might be worthwhile.]
[05:29] <kwtm> Sorry, I don't have my Chinese input software loaded so I'm relying on Google Translate to type my Chinese for me. :P
[05:31] <kwtm> My own question: how can I map Button 8 and 9 on my mouse (those new buttons defined by MS Vista to mean "fwd" and "back" on the browsers) -- I've confirmed that "xev" recognizes the buttons, but can I make (say) button 8 mean "escape" or "copy" or something?
[05:31] <kwtm> ggeorgy: Just checking: is your jar known to be error free?  Does it work on another system, for example?
[05:32] <ggeorgy> i tryed more jar file and is the same error
[05:37] <ggeorgy> does exist a jar emulator mobile for ubuntu????
[05:38] <kwtm> I will need to go now to dinner, but just a parting thought for ggeorgy: I have run into problems with Java before, depending on which run-time package you install.  You seem to have installed the one I would have, but if all else fails you might try installing something else.
[05:38] <kwtm> Best of luck!
[05:39] <ggeorgy> ok thanks
[06:11] <kuttans> hi everybody let me see my luck today
[06:12] <kuttans> i have a samsung corby mobile.  Kubuntu identify it as a imaging device always and sometime shows it as modem too.  The problem the modem deduction is not stable all the time, sometimes it do and sometimes not.  Im using this mobile as a modem which is having a 3g connection.
[06:13] <kuttans> Kppp is also not useful as it says can not open modem, where as the modem is loaded in /dev/ttyACM0 and 1 as well.
[06:13] <kuttans> wvdialconf is returning error
[06:14] <kuttans> so how to go about from here to make it more stable and use it without intermittancy
[06:17] <kuttans> anyone here to help me out?
[06:20] <kuttans> kubuntu irc dried?
[06:20] <kuttans> i mean no one even saying a hi
[06:26] <moetunes> kuttans:  you picked a quiet time
[06:26] <kuttans> i dint get moetunes
[06:26] <kuttans> ohh i c
[06:26] <kuttans> when it will be active then?
[06:27] <moetunes> maybe 4 or 5 hours time
[06:29] <kuttans> ok then i will try again
[07:15] <magizian> hey check out zx86NT ... it's a set of command and graphical NT shells for
[07:15] <magizian> +unix/linux
[07:15] <magizian> > http://os.hopto.org
[07:30] <moetunes> magizian:  not the place for ads...
[07:35] <lamefun> hello
[07:50] <esperegu> when I press K>Leave>Shutdown nothing happens. Also org.kde.ksmserver /KSMServer org.kde.KSMServerInterface.logout -1 -1 -1 does nothing. any suggestions?
[10:21] <Guest79457> H3llo W0rld
[10:38] <faLUCE> hi. I see with df /dev/sdb1 mounted on /media/disk, but I can't see /dev/sdb1 on filesystem... what can I do?
[10:39] <kuttans> hiii everybody
[10:40] <rork> hello kuttans
[10:41] <kuttans> hii rork
[10:41] <kuttans> i have a samsung corby mobile.  Kubuntu identify it as a imaging device always and sometime shows it as modem too.  The problem the modem deduction is not stable all the time, sometimes it do and sometimes not.  Im using this mobile as a modem which is having a 3g connection.Kppp is also not useful as it says can not open modem, where as the modem is loaded in /dev/ttyACM0 and 1 as well. wvdialconf is returning errorso how to go about from here to make it
[10:41] <kuttans> more stable and use it without intermittancy
[10:41] <FloodBotK1> kuttans: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:41] <kuttans> ohh comeon floodbot its a single sentence
[10:43] <kuttans> still inactive .....seems less people are visiting kubuntu irc room
[10:45] <rork> The channel isn't very active at this time indeed, still 2 minutes is a bit short for everybody to look at his IRC.
[10:50] <kuttans> yeah i know, but i came in the morning rork , it was the same status
[10:51] <kuttans> rork do you know of any forums which is dealing with mobile phone as a modem in ubuntu or kubuntu
[10:59] <kuttans> i have a samsung corby mobile.  Kubuntu identify it as a imaging device always and sometime shows it as modem too.  The problem the modem deduction is not stable all the time, sometimes it do and sometimes not.  Im using this mobile as a modem which is having a 3g connection.Kppp is also not useful as it says can not open modem, where as the modem is loaded in /dev/ttyACM0 and 1 as well. wvdialconf is returning errorso how to go about from here to make it
[10:59] <kuttans> more stable and use it without intermittancy
[11:02] <rork> I have no idea
[11:23] <FlashDeluxe> hi @ all! I got a problem, i am using a notebook with an external screen and i want to extend my system on that screen. That does work so far. But after i restart my notebook my settings are gone and i have to adjust it again. Does somebody has a solution on that or a suggestion? Its not such a big deal, cause i can script it with xargs, but i guess it does have to work...
[11:25] <lamefun> Is it possible to make quassel to go into message indicator when I close it?
[11:30] <rork> FlashDeluxe: I'm afraid todays tools only change screensettings for the current settings (as xrandr does), you can specify a xrandr command in .xprofile or make an xorg.conf
[11:31] <FlashDeluxe> rork: so it isn`t an error but a default thing?
[11:32] <rork> As I understand it is the default mode indeed, but I like to see it as a bug too.
[11:32] <rork> I would have to do some checking on that though
[12:21] <juanluis> hola
[12:21] <juanluis> estoy en clases que aburrimiento
[12:44] <FlashDeluxe> rork maybe its a bug, but as you can manage it with a small script, its ok for me :)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:01] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....I have only some basic project templates in kdevelop. what's the package to add more templates?
[14:15] <m_tadeu_> anyone? where to find kdevelop project tamplates?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> m_tadeu_,  /join #kde-devel
[14:25] <m_tadeu_> BluesKaj: this is not a kde-devel issue...it's a packaging issue...and I just found the package which is kapptemplate. but thanx for your help
[14:26] <BluesKaj> m_tadeu_, sry, i couldn't help , but I thought the ppl at devel might give you an answer
[14:28] <m_tadeu_> BluesKaj: it's cool :) but *-devel stuff it's for development of that app
[15:09] <pabloz> hey guys, since I installed Maverick (or maybe was Lucid?) and after trying everything (from blacklisting effects to installing mainline kernels), I arrived to the conclusion that is only kwin the one that is not compatible with my video card (intel GM965) when I switched to compiz and noticed that everything was fine right from the beginning, and immensely faster.
[15:11] <pabloz> The only problem now is that the "Edge Trigger Delay" setting is completely omitted, that is, the mouse triggers the cube rotation immediately when it touches the screen edge, which is awkward. Anyone else using compiz has experienced the same issue? is it fixable?
[15:15] <pabloz> (BTW I'm currently using the kubuntu-ppa & kernel 2.6.36-020636-generic)
[15:22]  * pabloz copies and pastes to #copiz
[16:01] <nyad> hi, I installed the pyweather widget, I want to be able to find the files where it is installed on my computer so I can edit them. I've been googling for 15 minutes and can
[16:01] <nyad> can't find it yet
[16:01] <nyad> how do I find where it got installed
[16:05] <nyad> so basically I just need to know where kde installs the plasmoids when we 'get new widgets'
[16:11] <the_p_> nyad: did you look in the .kde subdirectory in your home directory?
[16:13] <the_p_> nyad: it is in .kde/share/apps/plasma/plasmoids/
[16:22] <angelXwind> Am I the only one
[16:22] <BrianH> howdy all
[16:22] <angelXwind> who seems to have a broken Ubiquity
[16:22] <angelXwind> (I'm ssh'ing as of now)
[16:22] <angelXwind> it can't even get past plymouth
[16:23] <BrianH> I'm having some problems with my desktop effects not applying ... Kwin keeps telling me that it cannot enable certain effects, but my card should clearly be able to handle them
[16:23] <angelXwind> IOError: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call
[16:23] <angelXwind> and I know for sure that Kubuntu runs on this laptop
[16:23] <angelXwind> (older versions did)
[16:23] <BrianH> I don't know much about graphics drivers on linux, but lspci shows it's recognized
[16:24] <angelXwind> Apparently the cause of this crash is some python scripts
[16:24] <angelXwind> kde-ui.py
[16:25] <angelXwind> filteredcommand.py
[16:25] <angelXwind> ubi-language.py
[16:25] <angelXwind> i18n.py
[16:25] <angelXwind> those are causingthe crash apparently
[16:30] <the_p_> BrianH: Which card, drivers?
[16:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there an extra package i need to install to be able to use multiple monitors
[16:33] <TunaSnax> Hey guys, who can tell me more about the 'Alternative' edition? Is that the same as the Desktop, just without KDE/Xorg?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> TunaSnax: no it basically a text based installer
[16:34] <eagles0513875> it will evetually install a desktop etc for ya
[16:34] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: So it will still install X and KDE?
[16:34] <eagles0513875> yes
[16:35] <TunaSnax> mmk, thz
[16:35] <eagles0513875> TunaSnax: you having problems wiht the normal graphicall installer
[16:35] <eagles0513875> !monitors
[16:35] <TunaSnax> no, I just didnt want KDE(or gnome), but also dont need all the server stuff that the Server edition comes with
[16:36] <eagles0513875> TunaSnax:
[16:36] <eagles0513875> use the server cd
[16:36] <eagles0513875> if you want a server edition
[16:36] <eagles0513875> then somewhere during the server install you have an option to do a custom install
[16:36] <eagles0513875> and can do just a bass install
[16:37] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: oh yeah? Cool, I'll try that out, thanks dude.
[16:37] <eagles0513875> no problemo
[16:37] <eagles0513875> my pleasure
[16:39] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: How is that for driver support? Kubuntu/Ubuntu are the only distro's I have found that work with my touchpad (even Deb doesnt work), and wifi card('out of the box') do you know/think if those two drivers are at least on the CD?
[16:40] <eagles0513875> hard to say till u install
[16:40] <eagles0513875> TunaSnax: is this for a desktop or server your installing
[16:40] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: its for a laptop.
[16:41] <eagles0513875> what desktop you planning on using?
[16:41] <eagles0513875> if any
[16:41] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: What desktop? You mean the hardware?
[16:42] <eagles0513875> TunaSnax: desktop as in kde or gnome
[16:42] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: Fluxbox
[16:43] <eagles0513875> use the normal kubuntu install
[16:43] <eagles0513875> install kde
[16:43] <eagles0513875> once you install it
[16:43] <eagles0513875> and fluxbox
[16:43] <eagles0513875> you just have to issue sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop
[16:43] <eagles0513875> kubuntu-desktop is a meta package which will uninstall the default kde setup
[16:43] <TunaSnax> eagles0513875: oh, snap. I should have just started with that :P Thanks again!
[16:44] <eagles0513875> TunaSnax: server is just a bit different in a few ways besides no desktop
[16:44] <eagles0513875> the kernel is also tweaked for servers as well
[16:45] <TunaSnax> aye, not something I want on a laptop.
[16:57] <eagles0513875> anyone here know how i can setup dual out put for monitors
[16:57] <eagles0513875> for some reason its saying i am unable to do it
[17:27] <maxsx> can i change the context menu in folder view on kubuntu 10.10
[17:34] <ubuntu> Hi
[17:34] <ubuntu> I have an issue concerning kubuntu installation
[17:35] <James147> !ask | ubuntu
[17:36] <ubuntu> first i am not used to qwerty keybords
[17:37] <ubuntu> and i do not know how to translate my issue in english
[17:37] <ubuntu> is there a french channel ?
[17:37] <rww> #ubuntu-fr
[17:37] <ubuntu> for kubuntu
[17:38] <rww> no
[17:38] <ubuntu> Ok i ll try to explain you
[17:39] <ubuntu> i have my CD but during installation it says retrieving datas from ti;e servers or something like that
[17:39] <ubuntu> time
[17:39] <ubuntu> and it do not install more
[17:41] <ubuntu> any ideas
[17:44] <Kulitorum> Do you have "download updates during installation" switched on?
[17:44] <Kulitorum> Is the machine connected to the net, and does it reconize the network hardware?
[17:45] <Kulitorum> Can you start it in live mode, and be online?
[17:53] <ubuntu> yes i have ll this
[17:54] <ubuntu> but that's odd, i've tried once again, and now it's "systemes files detection" or something like that
[17:54] <orzel> hello. i've updated from lucid to maverick today... and X  is broken. The xorg.0.log says "NV: Kernel modesetting driver in use, refusing to load".....  i dont know what to do next
[18:03] <orzel> i can find people with the same people using google, but no solution
[18:05] <claus> hi there, how can i change the default soundoutput in kubuntu 10.10?
[18:05] <claus> in teamspeak3 i can select the output-device but chromium still plays thru my intern soundcard even tho i set my headset as primary in phonon
[18:06] <vanguard> go to the main system settings
[18:06] <vanguard> then multimedia, audio devices
[18:07] <vanguard> the latter is called phonon here
[18:07] <claus> ye i am there
[18:07] <vanguard> and then go to "audio output" and select the one you like and click on the up arrow, saying something like "pull up" or "prefer"
[18:08] <claus> i have it like that
[18:08] <vanguard> now your output should be the device on top of the list
[18:09] <claus> still chromium plays thru intern soundcard.. the game heroes of newerth has as soundouput default aswell and its my intern soundcard not my usbdevice
[18:09] <claus> amarok plays thru usbheaset tho
[18:11] <claus> the odd thing is
[18:11] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-fr
[18:11] <claus> that when i click the test button non of my interndeviced playback any sound
[18:12] <claus> only my usbheadset plays some sound back
[18:13] <vanguard> I had a similar issue, could it be that the sound is there, but really really faint?
[18:14] <orzel> googling for the same problem that i have but not specific on kubuntu, i see i should disable kernel modesetting by adding 'nomodeset' to the kernel command line. I did, but this doesn't solve the problem. Does kubuntu somehow 'disregard' this option ? the kernel seems to ignore this option
[18:14] <claus> no
[18:15] <claus> there is no sound at all for my intern soundcard on this phonontestthingie
[18:15] <claus> the mixer in kmix to set the volume works perfectly tho for flash
[18:15] <vanguard> maybe cou can check in pavucontrol
[18:15] <claus> like watching a video on youtube
[18:16] <vanguard> hmm, that is really strange
[18:16] <vanguard> maybe you got different default audio devices in the different categories of phonon?
[18:17] <claus> nope i applied it to all the same categories
[18:17] <vanguard> I know that you have every application on a different fader in kmix, maybe some of them are set to zero?
[18:19] <claus> what you mean with fader for every app in kmix.. i only got faders for my internal soundcard like front, rear, headsetoutput etc.. and i got my tab with the faders for my usbheadset volume and microfone
[18:20] <BluesKaj> claus, open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure all ctrls are unmuted , and turned up to 80% or more
[18:21] <claus> it is
[18:21] <claus> but
[18:22] <claus> on alsamixer
[18:22] <claus> my interndevice is set as default aswell
[18:22] <claus> not my usb
[18:22] <claus> is there a way to change that?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> claus, you may have to change the default soundcard in the BIOS peripherals ..dunno if that will work for outboard USB cards tho
[18:26] <claus> i doubt that. i am currently reading sth about asound.conf
[18:27] <moetunes> isn't it pulseaudio that sorts that out now? - try pavucontrol
[18:27] <BluesKaj> claus, have you selected and tested the sound output options in system settings/media/phonon
[18:27] <moetunes> !info pavucontrol
[18:28] <claus> i deinstalled pulseaudio
[18:28] <moetunes> k
[18:28] <claus> yes i did BluesKaj
[18:28] <claus> but i cant hear any sound for my intern device
[18:28] <claus> only for my usb device
[18:29] <claus> i tested every device listed there
[18:31] <BluesKaj> claus, ok disconnect the usb cartd , then try this ion the terminal , speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[18:31] <claus> k sec
[18:32] <claus> works
[18:33] <claus> when i plugin my usb headset again its still on my intern device
[18:33] <BluesKaj> ok , now claus , what do you want to do , use the internal or the usb or both?
[18:34] <claus> both but it depends.. when im working and im listening to music i want to use my usb headset or when im gaming.. but watching a movie id like to have the output out of my intern device
[18:35] <BluesKaj> claus , you can choose your options with this command a GUI will open , sudo gstreamer-properties
[18:36] <claus> there is no gstreamer at all
[18:37] <BluesKaj> claus, you have to install it I guess :)
[18:38] <claus> uhm how.. sudo apt-get install gstreamer doesnt work
[18:38] <claus> ah
[18:38] <claus> its gstreamer0.10
[18:39] <claus> so and then i will be able to select my default output device?
[18:41] <claus> still there is no gstreamer-properties
[18:42] <BluesKaj> claus, I think a reboot is required , not sure
[18:42] <claus> uhm okay
[18:42] <claus> one thing i mention
[18:43] <James147> BluesKaj: shouldnt be to see the program ^^
[18:43] <claus> is the notification sound of kubuntu is on my intern soundcard aswell
[18:45] <BluesKaj> claus, plug the usb back in , then run sudo gstreamer-properties
[18:45] <claus> my usb is plugged in
[18:45] <claus> and there is no entry gstreamer-properties .. the only thing i have i gstreamer-install-codecs
[18:46] <BluesKaj> ok,. then that command is depracated ...it used to work
[18:48] <claus> i have no /etc/asound.conf too
[18:54] <yofel> BluesKaj: gstreamer-properties is a gnome app
[18:54] <yofel> !find /usr/bin/gstreamer-properties
[18:55] <claus> yofel you know how to change my default output device?
[18:57] <yofel> not really, I would usually suggest phonon settings or pavucontrol, but you already tried that
[18:57] <BluesKaj> yofel,  I thought I had gstreamer-properties installed , may be it didn't migrate to this upgrade
[18:59] <claus> whats pavucontrol ?
[19:01] <yofel> claus: pulseaudio control application
[19:02] <claus> ah k
[19:02] <claus> ye i deinstalled pulseaudio cause it sucks
[19:02] <yofel> then you'll have to mess with alsa I fear..
[19:03] <claus> ye i found this
[19:03] <claus> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?title=FAQ026
[19:04] <claus> but i dont have any asoundrc or i just dont know how to find it
[19:14] <alumne> aaa
[19:14] <alumne> aaa
[19:15] <alumne> Funciona xD
[19:20] <phoenix_firebrd> does this bug have to be filed in kde for kde team to fix it. http://osdir.com/ml/kopete-bugs/2010-04/msg00114.html
[19:36] <Eaglestriker> hello?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> hi Eaglestriker
[19:38] <Eaglestriker> ohai
[19:38] <Eaglestriker> this is my forst time using Kubuntu :P
[19:38] <Eaglestriker> this is my first time using Kubuntu :P
[19:39] <BluesKaj> congratulations Eaglestriker! :)
[19:39] <Eaglestriker> how long have you been using it
[19:39] <Eaglestriker> ?
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Eaglestriker, about 5 or 6 yrs, not exactly sure
[20:27] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: A little too slow? :)
[20:29] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, yeah , i left the room for a few mins and he left just before I hit the enter key :)
[20:39] <Daskreech> This is a really quiet room once it's not release time though
[20:40] <baylon> hello po
[20:40] <Daskreech> Hello
[20:50] <BluesKaj> I'm running natty justto keep from getting bored
[20:53] <vanguard> does anyone have an Android phone an syncs calendar+todo on it somehow?
[20:53] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: Run otter
[20:54] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, otter's not available to the likes of me
[20:54] <BluesKaj> :)
[20:55] <Daskreech> That's a shame :)
[20:55] <Daskreech> I suspect if it did you'd be a lot less bored :)
[20:55] <Daskreech> So lets play a KDE support game :)
[20:56] <Daskreech> what's the top 4 things that you think shuld be fixed in KDE? (this is slightly different from improved)
[20:56] <Daskreech> It's subjective of course but having been in a support channel for a while you get perspective
[20:59] <James147> vanguard: one way is to sync to google calendar, then sync from google to akondi
[20:59] <James147> :p
[21:00] <BluesKaj> amarok, vnc, quassel (it's ugly) , ...nothing else , Daskreech
[21:02] <James147> ^^ pulseaudio should be up there :)
[21:02] <bazaar> and what are my options if I do not want to give my data in Google's hands?
[21:03] <maco> bazaar: is it even possible to use android without google?
[21:03] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: vnc support you mean? vnc isn't KDE
[21:03] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is a given , James147
[21:03] <Daskreech> James147: you mean more support for it?
[21:03] <BluesKaj> yeah, but vnc still sucks
[21:03] <Daskreech> maco: Yes
[21:04] <James147> maco: yes... but you lose like 1/2 the features :)
[21:05] <rtdos> is there a program or a way to pipe 'text to speech' to a wav file ?
[21:06] <James147> rtdos: yes... jovie can do it i think
[21:06] <rtdos> i should already have jovie installed by default, correct ?
[21:07] <James147> rtdos: dont know ^^ probally not as far as i know
[21:07] <bazaar> yeah, Android minus Google is not really clever, it is just that I now have an Android phone around ...
[21:07] <rtdos> i will check it out thanks James147
[21:07] <bazaar> I guess I would rather by myself a Maemo if I could choose ...
[21:08] <kriksa> hello!
[21:08] <Daskreech> James147: Such as?
[21:09] <Daskreech> (for feature loss)
[21:09] <James147> Daskreech: the default market for one ^^ wihch makes geeing application allot harder :)
[21:09] <James147> getting ^^
[21:09] <James147> ^^ though there are "alternitives"
[21:10] <Daskreech> Well you have third party markets and from what I've seen a lot of the more useful apps are FOSS which you can easily get outside the market and outside of the US is the only way you can get them a lot of the time
[21:10] <James147> ^^ the speeh reconision is another, as far as I know they use the google servers to do the processing
[21:10] <Daskreech> Yeah that's neat :)
[21:11] <Daskreech> though I've never seen someone use it as successfully as they do in the demos
[21:11] <James147> Daskreech: ^^ being able to sync to google, then from google to akondi is another :)
[21:11] <Daskreech> that's an assumption that you want to keep your data in Google
[21:11] <Daskreech> Which if you do this converssation has little value
[21:12] <Daskreech> If you don't all the other alternatives are just fine
[21:12] <James147> Daskreech: not many other options to get the data into akondi as far as I know
[21:13] <bazaar> well, right now I play with Chandler (chandlerproject.org), it supports CalDAV export
[21:13] <Daskreech> yay Chandler!
[21:13] <bazaar> or CalDAV syncing
[21:13] <Daskreech> we have a server at work for it
[21:13] <Daskreech> Really should get more exposure
[21:13] <bazaar> but I cannot find the ChandlerQE App for my phone ...
[21:15] <Exposure> theres enough of me to go around
[21:16] <bazaar> what do you mean?
[21:16] <bazaar> okay, I found a svn repo with the source -- how do I get that onto the phone? Or should I rather plan in a whole afternoon for that?
[21:18] <Daskreech> Exposure: over exposed?
[21:31] <bazaar> quick conclusion: Android without using a lot of Google's services sucks. sigh.
[22:05] <GarouDan> Hi. I have a strange problem in KDE4 and Ubuntu 10.04. When I start the OS, the OS saves a kind of tastes...my Akregator keeps in filter "gene" (a filter that i have used one time ago) and starts with 4 Arks windows (that I uses before too)...how to solve this? how start de OS clean?
[22:06] <GarouDan> What archive should I clean? Maybe something in my home folder?^^
[22:07] <James147> system settings > start up and shutdown > session management
[22:07] <Guest32135> how do i install python
[22:08] <James147> Guest32135: sudo apt-get install python   ??
[22:09]  * James147 notes that it should already be installed
[22:09] <Guest32135> its not installed
[22:09] <James147> Guest32135: what makes you say that?
[22:09] <Guest32135> when i type ipython in console it gives me this
[22:10] <Guest32135> mike@ubuntu:~$ ipython
[22:10] <Guest32135> The program 'ipython' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[22:10] <Guest32135> sudo apt-get install ipython
[22:10] <James147> Guest32135: thats because ipython isent installed... but python is
[22:11] <Guest32135> touche
[22:12] <bazaar> james147: thanks, I am annoyed by my haunting apps as well :D
[22:12] <GarouDan> James147..."system settings > start up and shutdown > session management" is for me? this programs will not able in automatic start...
[22:13] <bazaar> GarouDan: it is
[22:13] <bazaar> GarouDan: set start with new session
[22:13] <bazaar> In which categorie of games would an ego shooter fall?
[22:14] <James147> GarouDan: yes, although the location may have changed... i cant remember what 10.04 was like, its so old now :)
[22:14] <bazaar> Well, 10.04 is LTS, so you cannot mark it as a legacy :D
[22:14] <James147> bazaar: kde 4.4 i can
[22:14] <James147> :D
[22:15] <bazaar> omg, why doen't chandler just quit?
[22:15] <bazaar> it sits there and does not react on quitting command ...
[22:16]  * bazaar resigns about finding a decent todo app with syncing ...
[22:16] <GarouDan> bazaar , James147 lol...the truth is.,,..i have this problema with another OS versions before...i will try,.. thanks i think this solve^^ thanks
[22:17] <bazaar> gn8 every1
[22:17] <James147> Guest32135: ^^ you could also try renaming ~/.kde/sahre/config/session
[22:17] <James147> ^^/share/
[22:17] <James147> ^^ ment for Gaarou..
[22:17] <Guest32135> ahh im too high to do anything at the moment, i will do it later
[22:17] <James147> :p
[22:18] <Guest32135> ok :D
[22:28] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-fr
[23:42] <moses_> i have a tablet pc
[23:42] <moses_> will kubuntu be good for it?
[23:42] <moses_> it was running windows vista
[23:42] <moses_> but it couldnt handle it
[23:43] <moses_> i need a good OS for this laptop
[23:46] <James147> moses_: I would have thourght so :)  ^^kde is getting better and better tablet support
[23:47] <moses_> ok perfect
[23:47] <moses_> also my laptop doesnt have a cdrom drive :(
[23:47] <James147> moses_: it dosent need one, i havent done a cdinstall in years
[23:48] <moses_> do you know any instructions on how to do it otherwise?
[23:48] <James147> moses_: I recomend a flash drive if you have one
[23:48] <moses_> ido
[23:48] <James147> !unetbootin
[23:48] <moses_> which one do i want?
[23:49] <James147> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent#UNetbootin (GUI-based, runs from either Windows or Linux)    << that one :)
[23:49]  * James147 grumbles at the spaces
[23:50] <moses_> i want to install it form the drive though
[23:50] <moses_> i dont want it to run from the drive
[23:51] <James147> moses_: thats what it will do... it will install the iso to the drive, then you can boot from teh drive and install it to a disk
[23:51] <James147> (direct link: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/   ^^ the others dont really tell you much more)
[23:54]  * James147 notes that the kubuntu cd is a "live install"... meaning its a fully functional install (normally write only) that has an option to install it to a hard drive if you like it :)
[23:54] <moses_> ok
[23:54] <moses_> so i can use the unetbootin
[23:54] <moses_> program to prepare the USB
[23:54] <James147> moses_: yes
[23:55] <moses_> which version do you reccomend
[23:55] <James147> then you can boot from the usb like you would from a cd... assuming you have configured your bios to do so, and that your bios supports booting from usb (which all do noadays except really old ones)
[23:55] <moses_> the program reccomended 10.04...
[23:55] <James147> moses_: latest, 10.10
[23:56] <James147> moses_: nah, 10.04 is best for enviroments where stability is more imprtant then anytrhing else... the latest 10.10 is best for generic home use
[23:57] <moses_> well
[23:57] <moses_> this laptop is kinda old
[23:57] <moses_> and i want LONG battery life
[23:57] <moses_> cause im going to be out
[23:57] <moses_> alot
[23:57] <moses_> can you reccomend me anything?
[23:58] <James147> moses_: you wont notice a difference in battery life ^^ at least without spending hours optimising it :)
[23:58] <moses_> ok
[23:58] <moses_> well i think i may plan on doing that
[23:58] <moses_> 10.10 it is
[23:58]  * James147 also suggests you use kubuntu rather then ubuntu :)  ^^ but thats just because he hates gnome :p
[23:59] <moses_> i dont like gnome either
[23:59] <moses_> but i dont like that many windows managers
[23:59] <moses_> i pray i can boot from usb


[00:14] <BUGabundo> nite guys
[00:14] <BUGabundo> this was fun
[04:09] <JoeCoolNetbook1> Can I make a suggestion about the top panel's UI?
[04:10] <ion> Sure. Of course, if you make it here, it’ll get lost in the noise.
[04:11] <JoeCoolNetbook1> Where can I go so it'll actually get discussed on, etc, ion?
[04:11] <persia> That's tricky.
[04:11] <persia> brainstorm is probably best for discussion.
[04:11] <micahg> !brainstorm | JoeCoolNetbook1
[04:11] <persia> A bug with a technical solution is probably best for implementation.
[04:12] <JoeCoolNetbook1> It's pretty simple.  If you have Wireless and Bluetooth, to disable or enable the wireless radios, you have to right click on the icon, to disable or enable the bluetooh radios, you have to Left click on the icon.
[04:12] <JoeCoolNetbook1> It's inconsistent.
[04:13] <persia> Oh.  I think there's already a bug about that.
[04:13] <persia> Something about replacing nm-applet with something indicatory
[04:13] <RAOF> Yeah, that's nm-applet being a notification area icon, rather than an indicator.
[04:14] <persia> JoeCoolNetbook1, Currently, it's possible to make them consistent with right-click, but not in a harmonious colour scheme without extra work.
[04:15] <persia> But it's very likely to end up being consistent left-click for Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Netbook.
[04:15] <JoeCoolNetbook1> Can I vote on it?
[04:16] <RAOF> By and large we don't really prioritise based on voting.
[04:16] <RAOF> I'd expect that to be done for Natty, though.
[04:16] <JoeCoolNetbook1> 11.04?
[04:17] <RAOF> Yeah.
[04:17] <persia> By and large?  Do we ever prioritise based on anything approaching voting?
[04:18] <RAOF> Bug heat is partially calculated based on voting, and has *some* impact :)
[04:18] <RAOF> Brainstorm has voting, and that has occasionally been referenced.
[04:18] <persia> Oh.  I didn't know any developers looked at that.  I suppose there is some means of populist feedback then :)
[04:19] <JoeCoolNetbook1> And another thing, In the Wireless Internet drop-down, there's "Connected" and "available".  There are (for me) two sections - Mobile BroadBand and Wireless Networks.
[04:19] <RAOF> _I_ generally don't look at brainstorm, but Jorge (at least) does, and that translates into UDS discussions sometimes :)
[04:19] <persia> Yeah, that's in dire need of an entire re-think, but it's *hard*
[04:19] <JoeCoolNetbook1> Those two are in Bold, and then there's a subsection of "available" networks, but it looks like a horizontal rule.
[04:20] <persia> RAOF, I considered that memetic drift, but yeah, I can see how it might have a vote-based component.
[04:20] <JoeCoolNetbook1> I think that should be switched to where "Mobile Broadband" and "Wireless Networks" are distinct sections with their own horizontal rules, and "avialable" a clear subset, in bold
[04:20] <JoeCoolNetbook1> With indentations of course
[04:21] <jcastro> iirc the techboard has a todo to look at as fa as looking at brainstorm proposals
[04:22] <persia> jcastro, Yes, but the TB is no longer in charge of setting the UDS agenda (unless I missed something)
[04:22] <RAOF> JoeCoolNetbook1: I suspect that we'll be discussing the indicatorfication of network manager at UDS, and that #ayatana (and the mailing list) would be the place to discuss mockups.  As persia said, it's hard UI design.
[04:23] <JoeCoolNetbook1>  Hard meaning difficult?
[04:23] <RAOF> Yeah.
[04:23]  * persia mumbles about wired modems, wireless ISDN, PANs, wired networks, packet radio, IrDA, and other means of moving bits)
[04:23] <RAOF> But also in the sense of serious, technical.
[04:24] <JoeCoolNetbook1> I don't know if it's really that difficult.
[04:24] <ajmitch> persia: you forgot pigeons
[04:25] <persia> Also in the sense of steady, unchangeable: there's huge semantic investment in the current model, which ends up either excluding a lot of use cases *or* becoming quickly unwieldy
[04:25] <JoeCoolNetbook1> It took me a week to figure out how it tried to display hierarchy.  Hierarchy should be very obvious and is pretty basic in UI design.
[04:25] <persia> ajmitch, I don't know of an implementation of RFC1149 that doesn't involve human operators and standard HID.
[04:26]  * persia looks more closely at RFC2549 to see if any new developments reduced the need for HID
[04:26] <RAOF> JoeCoolNetbook1: The difficult part is not so much in finding ways the current UI is sub-optimal; it's in actually finding a *good* UI :)
[04:27] <JoeCoolNetbook1> Anything is better than what it is now, though.
[04:27] <JoeCoolNetbook1> How are things decided on and implemented in Ubuntu?
[04:27] <RAOF> That's manifestly not true; that applet is an *improvement* on what came before.
[04:28] <RAOF> JoeCoolNetbook1: A small set of stuff is decided at UDS; mostly what gets implemented is what people care enough about to implement.
[04:28] <RAOF> (Like all open source)
[04:28] <persia> RAOF, I can't agree with that entirely.  For Studio it's not used because of the unexpected processor demand profile (although gnome-nettool is even more frightening as an interface)
[04:29] <JoeCoolNetbook1> RAOF, do you have a screenshot of how it was before?
[04:29] <persia> Even stuff that gets decided at UDS gets decided because people claim at UDS to care enough to implement it.
[04:30] <RAOF> JoeCoolNetbook1: Not off the top of my head, no.
[04:31] <RAOF> I'm tautologically surprised nm-applet has an unexpected CPU usage.
[04:32] <persia> heh.  Anyway, comes from unpredictable environment and failure-recovery modes.  gnome-nettool just fails dead until the user does something.
[04:34] <persia> Most folk much prefer http://xkcd.com/416/
[04:35]  * ajmitch still has a laptop that has wifi configured manually in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:35] <micahg> wow, I didn''t know Ubuntu made it into xkcd
[04:36] <ajmitch> micahg: ubuntu & debian have been mentioned a few times
[04:36] <ajmitch> http://xkcd.com/797/ being a nice example :)
[04:37] <JoeCoolNetbook1> I don't think Ubuntu is this niche distro anymore.
[04:37] <micahg> ajmitch: heh, yeah, I noticed that one recently
[04:38] <JoeCoolNetbook1> So having something done is a matter of doing it and commiting it into the repository and hoping it doesn't get reverted?
[04:39] <RAOF> Mostly, getting something done is a matter of getting it done upstream.
[04:40] <RAOF> Although, with an indicator there won't be an existing upstream, so it'd be a matter of writing the code, packaging it up, getting it in the archive, and then getting it installed by default.
[04:42] <persia> No need to bother with the last.
[04:42] <persia> if it works well, and it's not installed by default, one can still use it.
[04:42] <persia> And if it works really well, lots of people will clamour to get it installed by default.
[04:43] <RAOF> This is correct.
[04:43]  * persia points at the neverending rythymbox vs. banshee vs. available space on a CD debate
[04:45] <RAOF> That would be easy: just ship IronPython instead of cpython!  You get banshee *and* pick up some useful CD space :P
[04:46] <RAOF> And make some people's heads explode, which is always gratifying.
[04:47] <persia> Yeah, but can you do that and have rhythmbox too?
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:57] <pitti> Good morning
[06:58] <pitti> shadeslayer: ok, understood; please upload then
[06:58] <pitti> slangasek: hello
[07:05] <\sh> moins
[07:27] <pitti> still suspiciously quiet on the bug/mail/SRU front -- the calm before the storm?
[07:29] <\sh> pitti: they all need to find their towles ;)
[07:29] <\sh> pitti: good morning and congrats to the very well performed 10.10.10 release :)
[07:30]  * pitti checks again...
[07:30] <pitti> nope, Earth not destroyed by Vogons yet
[07:30] <Hobbsee> perhaps there just aren't bugs
[07:30] <pitti> \sh: good morning! yeah, kudos to Robbie, Kate, Colin, Jonathan!
[07:31] <\sh> pitti: have a look at mice folks in your house ;)
[07:31] <pitti> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ... c'mon!
[07:31] <pitti> \sh: no, they always want to put my head in medical devices
[07:33] <\sh> pitti: hehehe...I think we should invite all of them to "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe"
[07:34] <pitti> RAOF: ooh, so it's xorg-evdev after all? nice that finally there might be a solution
[07:36] <RAOF> pitti: Well, the dude says that it's fixed using the input drivers from xorg-edgers.  evdev *does* synthesise button events in some cases, but those none of those codepaths look like they ever send a DOWN without also immediately sending a corresponding UP.
[07:36] <RAOF> Having a diff to stare at would be much appreciated, if just the newer -evdev makes it work :)
[07:37] <pitti> RAOF: indeed
[07:37] <pitti> RAOF: but I now had several people try, and none of them got EV_KEY BTN_* events for those keys
[07:37] <pitti> RAOF: is it remotely possible that this interferes with the utouch bits?
[07:38] <pitti> they certainly generate events, don't they?
[07:38] <RAOF> They do, but they generate special gesture events.
[07:45] <pitti> Rejected:
[07:45] <pitti> udev_163-1.dsc: format '1.0' is not permitted in natty.
[07:46] <pitti> ??
[07:46] <pitti> wgrant: ^ what does that want to tell me?
[07:46] <\sh> woot?
[07:46] <wgrant> pitti: natty isn't initialised yet.
[07:46] <pitti> and I was so close to claiming the "first natty upload" trophy
[07:46] <pitti> wgrant: ah, ok :)
[07:47] <\sh> phew...I thought we had to transform all 1.0 src format pkgs into 3.0 ;)
[07:47] <wgrant> What it actually means is that source format 1.0 is forbidden (as are 3.0 (native) and 3.0 (quilt)).
[07:47] <wgrant> Right.
[07:47] <wgrant> Hopefully it will be initialised soon; I'm not sure why it isn't yet.
[07:48] <\sh> wgrant: take you time ;) I need to have time to play with our new toys...I wonder if it's possible to pimp my new RSH5TEPN of Samsung with Ubuntu Unity ;)
[09:44] <apw> pitti, are we safe to start the work items collector for natty now?  i am struggling to find my own blueprints since someone renamed them all for the tracks stuff
[09:44] <pitti> apw: yes, I think we are
[09:44] <pitti> should be a mere copy of maverick.cfg with the trend lines reset and s/maverick/natty/g
[09:46] <apw> pitti, yeah you doing that or shall i
[09:47] <pitti> apw: please do
[09:52] <apw> pitti, ok about to commit the new config, might it be safest to copy everything before the run :)
[09:54] <pitti> apw: "safest" yes, but we already have several copies of the DBs, so it shouldn't be a high risk
[09:55] <apw> pitti, ok pushed
[09:57] <apw> pitti, does the thing run at the top of the hour or the top of the next these days
[09:58] <pitti> 05 */2 * * *
[09:58] <pitti> so, should run in 7 minutes
[09:58] <apw> in UTC ?
[09:58] <pitti> BST
[09:58] <apw> ahh good
[09:58] <pitti> platform@lillypilly:~$ date
[09:58] <jackyalcine> hello?
[09:58] <pitti> Mon Oct 11 09:58:33 BST 2010
[10:03] <apw> skaet, i assume the archive is still frozen ?
[10:03] <wgrant> The archive doesn't exist yet.
[10:04] <skaet> apw, starting into the tasks today to open up Natty and get us back into development mode.
[10:04] <apw> wgrant, heh well the overall archive does :)  i really mean we are in release freeze
[10:04] <apw> i restored the topic from the most recent set that i could find
[10:05] <apw> but the first stanza is missing :)
[10:06] <apw> skaet, i'll let you figure out what the state of the archive is then :)  and update the topic here
[10:08] <pitti> skaet: (the original idea was that you have the honor of updating /topic to "10.10.10 released!!111!" :) )
[10:08] <jackyalcine> where do i find application development for ubuntu?
[10:10] <skaet> pitti,  It was Robbie's release, so it only seemed fair for him to have the honors - 'sides I was head's down focusing on UEC images at the time.  ;)
[10:11]  * skaet is slow this morning.... just notice the topic in this forum...   heh
[10:12] <apw> skaet, we only noticed cause someone typed int he wrong place and it became 'hmmm' for a bit
[10:12] <skaet> pitti, apw, -  ok, lets see if the permissions let me...  robbie's on a plane today.
[10:19] <jackyalcine> ??
[10:19] <jackyalcine> no one's answering my question.
[10:20] <pitti> jackyalcine: that's because it's way too unspecific
[10:21] <dholbach> you could try #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:35] <zooko> Dear Ubuntu devs: way to go on Maverick! Thank you!
[10:39] <apw> pitti, it looks like all-projects does not make the output directory before trying to fill it, but i didn't get the error messages to me, am i on the wrong list ?
[10:40] <pitti> cp: cannot create regular file `/home/platform/public_html/workitems/natty/natty.db.new': No such file or directory
[10:40] <pitti> ah, indeed
[10:40] <pitti> apw: To<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:40] <pitti> apw: but I only got the PM, too
[10:40] <pitti> perhaps it takes a while to get through the filter
[10:40] <apw> and its not in the archive either
[10:40] <pitti> hm, I guess we could actually shelve maverick.cfg now
[10:41] <pitti> mkdir'ed
[10:44] <apw> pitti, yeah i was wondering, i suspect we can definatly stop maverick after tommorrow -- dunno if there are items which may close now the release is out and we want hoovered up
[10:44] <pitti> right, there might still be some cleanup actions left
[10:49] <apw> pitti, oh and it seems to take less than an hour, indeed less than half on its 'not at midnight' configuration
[10:51] <pitti> apw: ah, presumably because all milestones are in the past now, so it wouldn't actually update any chart any more
[10:51] <pitti> (for maverick)
[10:51] <apw> pitti, ahh good point :)
[10:51] <apw> pitti, i don't see any emails other than your test on the lists the errors are meant to go to
[10:54] <graviti> ?
[10:54] <pitti> apw: hm, then perhaps lillypilly can't send there, or platform@lillypilly isn't allowed to post
[11:29] <macno> I found a broken mirror of http://releases.ubuntu.com mirror.anl.gov
[11:29] <macno> where's the right place to report it?
[11:30] <persia> macno, To the mirror.anl.gov administrators.
[11:30]  * persia hunts to see if there is handy contact info
[11:32] <dholbach> mirrors at ubuntu.com afaik
[11:32] <macno> ok, found an email address. mailing them
[11:32] <persia> https://launchpad.net/~argonne-mirror/+members seem to be the folks.
[12:09] <shadeslayer> pitti: ill need sponsorship, also, ill need to package newer versions since upstream wants to ship latest versions
[13:13] <pitti> hah! so I can claim the first natty upload after all: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[13:13] <shadeslayer> oooh
[13:14] <shadeslayer> pitti: ok i need confirmation, can we upload choqok 0.9.90 and qoauth 1.0.1 to lucid-proposed?
[13:14] <pitti> shadeslayer: please do
[13:14] <shadeslayer> maverick has 0.9.85 and qoauth 1.0
[13:15] <pitti>     cur.execute('''CREATE INDEX work_items_assignee_milestone_idx on work_items(assignee,milestone)''')
[13:15] <pitti> sqlite3.OperationalError: index work_items_assignee_milestone_idx already exists
[13:15] <shadeslayer> ( ill then ask for a  upload of 0.9.90 and qoauth 1.0.1 to backports )
[13:15] <pitti> collect failed for ./config/natty.cfg
[13:15] <pitti> shadeslayer: oh, hang on; I thought you meant the maverick versions
[13:15] <shadeslayer> no :)
[13:15] <shadeslayer> thats why i need confirmation
[13:15] <pitti> shadeslayer: then we need maverick SRUs at the same time
[13:15] <pitti> but it might be easier to do it in two steps
[13:15] <pitti> (for verification)
[13:15] <pitti> apw: ^ see WI tracker error above; did yuo perhaps ^C a run, or so?
[13:15] <pitti> looks strange
[13:16] <pitti> apw: perhaps we should kill the natty db and start over?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> pitti: well, do you think theyll survive SRU's ?
[13:17] <shadeslayer> choqok and qoauth that is
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ( for maverick )
[13:17] <pitti> can't say without at least seeing a changelog and a rationale
[13:17] <pitti> if maverick's versions work, then it's safer and easier to bakcport them, than trying to lift two releases to new versions
[13:17] <shadeslayer> well, for rationale i just have "Upstream says so" :P
[13:17] <shadeslayer> thats what im thinking
[13:18] <pitti> cjwatson: if you have a minute, would you mind reviewing bug 653568 for SRU?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> ok so i put maverick versions into lucid and then maverick-backport for new versions of choqok and qoauth?
[13:20] <Riddell> ok, keep it simple then, go with what we have in maverick for lucid-proposed
[13:20] <Riddell> and new versions in maverick-backports
[13:20] <Riddell> (unless we know of a good reason to update the maverick version)
[13:21] <shadeslayer> right then ...
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=lucid : qoauth and choqok packages from there
[13:22] <pitti> apw: I'll try that now
[13:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok
[13:22] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[13:29] <cjwatson> skaet: did updating the topic here not work for you then?
[13:33] <cjwatson> pitti: udev> dodne
[13:33] <cjwatson> done
[13:33] <pitti> cjwatson: cheers
[13:46] <cjwatson> lool: hm, these error handling patches you merged into MoM are entirely broken :-(
[13:47] <cjwatson> can't have been tested
[13:48] <pitti> uh, we open a new release, and no debhelper to merge -- must be Debian freeze :)
[13:49] <lool> cjwatson: these https://code.launchpad.net/~kgoetz/merge-o-matic/mom-misc/+merge/20202 ?
[13:50] <lool> hmm no the previous one I guess
[13:51] <cjwatson> surprisingly, exit does seem to exist at top level, but is undocumented.  I think using it is probably bad style
[13:51] <cjwatson> the bit that's actually broken is a finally handler.  fixing up ...
[13:51] <lool> cjwatson: Reading the diff, I can see why they are bogus now
[13:51] <lool> the open change seems broken too
[13:52] <lool> I'm trying to find the merge request
[13:52] <cjwatson> lool: which one?
[13:52] <cjwatson> (which open change)
[13:54] <lool> cjwatson: No sorry, checked trunk and it's ok
[13:54] <cjwatson> ok, I committed fixes as r176 and r177, please double-check?
[13:54] <lool> I couldn't find the bug or merge request where I thought we discussed this
[13:54] <cjwatson> oh, also, those exception prints should go to stderr not stdout, fixing
[13:54] <lool> I remember *not* running merge-o-matic, I only did a patch level review, but I thought I had asked whether he had tested this
[13:54] <lool> I wonder if this was over email
[13:55] <cjwatson> I must say I don't understand the point of an exception handler that just prints the exception and exits
[13:55] <cjwatson> all that does is suppress the traceback
[13:55] <cjwatson> which makes it harder to debug problems
[13:56] <lool> cjwatson: I agree
[13:56] <cjwatson> I suppose if we know what the problem is ...
[13:56] <lool> cjwatson: Looked at r177 and 176, looks fine; sorry about that
[13:57] <lool> I just can't find where I discussed this branch; it seems there was no merge request for the branch, so it seems like a lesson that I should keep more references in my commits and ensure there's a merge request or a bug to track changes
[13:58] <mvo> doko: can you have a look at bug #657937 please? I suspect this guy is having a local build libc6 leftover, but if not it might be something serious
[14:00] <doko> mvo: not seen before
[14:06] <mvo> doko: ok, I (strongly) suspect a user problem then
[14:07] <dholbach> highvoltage, ~ubuntu-dev is indirect member of edubuntu-bugs (Ubuntu Core Development Team → Edubuntu Developers → Edubuntu Bugsquad), that's currently why bug mail for edubuntu-bugs goes to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-reviews/2010-October/000707.html) - can we change this somehow?
[14:08] <mvo> jibel: it seems the -fsystafile exit 2 error is not that uncommon (just looking over the upgrade logs). do you know more about this yet?
[14:08] <mvo> jibel: huge THANKS btw for your triage effort :)
[14:09] <jibel> mvo, hey, great release !
[14:10] <jibel> mvo, most of the time the archive is corrupted for some reason and simply cleaning the cache and reupgrading is enough. The problem is 'some reason'
[14:10] <jibel> mvo, I haven"t been able to reproduce it
[14:13] <mvo> jibel: ok, thanks. I keep wondering if I should add a additional checksum step after writing the data to disk. currently its checksumming the data arriving from the network, but not if what is written to disk matches as well. this opens up this type of issues I suppose (typically bit flip errors afaict)
[14:13] <jibel> mvo, The only way I've been able to reproduce the problem was to download the archive, then corrupt it by hand before running the unpack stage, this very looks like a hw error.
[14:13]  * mvo nods
[14:13] <mvo> thanks jibel
[14:14] <jibel> mvo, btw we have 3 main upgrade issues but which I think are non issues.
[14:15] <jibel> mvo bug 639933
[14:15] <jibel> This is caused by a package in kubuntu-ppa/backport. I don't know which.
[14:15] <jibel> bug 631426
[14:16] <jibel> This one is weird, and looks like a problem to access the servers for users in india.
[14:16] <jibel> bug 555729
[14:16] <jibel> Users complaining that blcr is blacklisted.
[14:17] <jibel> mvo, and that's all for update-manager release upgrades bugs.
[14:21] <mvo> jibel: thanks, that looks pretty good actually, I had no luck so far with the first one, but I can give it a fresh try, my brain is much recovered since last week :)
[14:22] <apw> pitti, sorry was out dropping off the last team member to the plane
[14:23] <apw> pitti, did that sort it out, i don't think i have access to hit ^c on a run
[14:24] <pitti> apw: sure, it's all under ~platform now
[14:24] <pitti> apw: but let's see; didn't get another error yet
[14:24] <jibel> mvo, I installed kubuntu and all the packages from backport, it will be finished in a few minutes. There's also a possibility that an obsolete kubuntu package is blocking the upgrade.
[14:26] <apw> pitti, i believe the first time it ran there were no milestones for natty which might have been the issue, cjw sorted that out before the later runs
[14:31] <ScottK> pitti: I have a SRU question - I've got a pending microversion update for clamav in lucid-proposed (same as current Maverick).  This has a regression that I'm about to upload an SRU for to Maverick.  Can I go ahead and update the clamav in lucid-proposed or should I wait for the Maverick SRU I'm about to upload get verified first?
[14:31] <pitti> ScottK: not for my sake; please upload fixes for both
[14:31] <ScottK> OK.  Will do.
[14:31] <ScottK> Just hit dput on maverick-proposed.  I'll update lucid proposed next.
[14:33] <GPenguin> lets say i notice a significant performance problem with "GtkTextView - Add text" within Ubuntu releases, then where would i go to find some support in investigating this further?
[14:34] <GPenguin> e.g. a benchmark for 1000 cycles takes 100 seconds compared to other systems with 20 to 40 seconds
[14:38] <GPenguin> might explain why applications like synaptics are so sluggy
[14:39] <GPenguin> but i dont know enough to research this on my own
[14:40] <ScottK> GPenguin: You might have more luck in #ubuntu-desktop.
[14:41] <GPenguin> ScottK: is that not just a copy of #ubuntu where you consume a lot of replies that lead nowhere?
[14:41] <ScottK> GPenguin: That's a development channel, not a user channel.
[14:41] <GPenguin> ah, ok
[14:46] <ScottK> pitti: clamav in queue for maverick and lucid-proposed
[14:47] <jibel> mvo, I can't reproduce 639933 with all of kubuntu-ppa/backport installed. I'll compare the held packages of each report ... but later
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:48] <Riddell> thanks for testing jibel
[14:48] <mvo> jibel: many thanks
[14:51] <ari-tczew> natty pocket has been opened \o/
[15:19] <highvoltage> dholbach: eek, yes we can
[15:19] <dholbach> thanks highvoltage
[15:23] <doko> pitti: please copy eglibc from -proposed to natty. I don't plan an eglibc upload for natty
[15:27] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: will be a little while longer before it's open to general uploads though - need to get the toolchain in place first
[15:28] <cjwatson> doko: I can do that if you like
[15:29] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: oh, nice if you do this faster :)
[15:30] <cjwatson> doko: done
[15:30] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: faster than ...?
[15:31] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ah, misunderstood from my side. I thought that you are going to prepare toolchain, so I thought that you will do this faster than doko.
[15:31] <cjwatson> oh, no, doko is doing that, I'm just driving the archive
[15:31] <cjwatson> gcc-defaults and binutils are already in place, so I would have a hard time doing it faster ;-)
[15:36] <pitti> doko: ah, cjwatson beat me to it
[15:36] <Book_em_Dano> I've been working on patching a package, LP: #640755, and came across a couple of errors while lintian was running.  I was wondering if someone could expound on the errors and what I need to do to fix them.
[15:37] <Book_em_Dano> the errors are: E: gdecrypt_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu6_source.changes: bad-ubuntu-distribution-in-changes-file maverick
[15:37] <Book_em_Dano> W: gdecrypt source: newer-standards-version 3.9.0 (current is 3.8.4)
[15:37] <OdyX> Book_em_Dano: update your lintian
[15:39] <Book_em_Dano> I'm using the lastest version of lintian in karmic; I'm trying to patch a package for use in maverick
[15:39] <pitti> cjwatson: I assume it was that which caused bug 655463 to be closed in maverick, i. e. we'll reopen?
[15:40] <cjwatson> pitti: oh, yes, please do.  the natty task should be closed though
[15:40] <cjwatson> Book_em_Dano: just ignore those
[15:41] <pitti> cjwatson: ack
[15:41] <cjwatson> Book_em_Dano: those are essentially "lack of time-travel to tell lintian's karmic about newer things"
[15:41] <cjwatson> er, karmic's lintian
[15:41] <cjwatson> Book_em_Dano: to get more information about any lintian message, run 'lintian-info' and copy-and-paste the line you're confused about into it
[16:25] <ogasawara> pitti: Re: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/647071/comments/11 , are you seeing this on an i386 or amd64 box?  3 patches touch the i915 driver so I can build you a test kernel with those reverted to see if they are the culprit.
[16:26] <pitti> ogasawara: actually I haven't seen it for a few hours now, so don't worry too much about it for now
[16:26] <pitti> ogasawara: I'm on amd64
[16:27] <ogasawara> pitti: ok, I'll build you a test kernel anyways in case it returns.  How often was it happening at first?
[16:27] <pitti> ogasawara: if I'm able to reproduce, I'll boot with drm.debug=0x02 (or whatever that was called like)
[16:27] <pitti> ogasawara: I saw it flicker about 3 or 4 times
[16:27] <pitti> with perhaps a minute or two in between
[16:27] <pitti> I'm not sure why it only happened back then
[16:27] <pitti> I had kvm open, that was the primary difference to what I have now
[16:43] <achiang> superm1: i wanted to follow-up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dkms/+bug/655275
[17:05] <hyperair> dpkg: version '/etc/ufw/applications.d' has bad syntax: invalid character in version number
[17:05] <hyperair> interesting error message there
[17:05]  * hyperair assumes dpkg --compare-version /etc/ufw/applications.d or something
[17:09] <brendan0powers> Would I ask about creating an ubuntu derivitave here?
[17:14] <cjwatson> brendan0powers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives has various information, including contacts under "Getting Involved"
[17:17] <cjwatson> lool: I'm just going to revert these error handling changes, sorry.  I've already had my first instance of an error message I couldn't debug because it was just bare exception text with no context
[17:19] <brendan0powers> cjwatson: thanks!
[17:23] <lool> cjwatson: It makes sense to me; sorry for the hassle
[17:23] <achiang> is update-manager the only truly supported way to move from LTS to LTS? (hardy to lucid), or can you just s/hard/lucid/ in your sources.list, and then do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:23] <lool> cjwatson: I didn't care about the changes, I think I got to them because they were in the ~ubuntu-core-dev review queue at some point
[17:24] <cjwatson> achiang: you can certainly try the latter, and in many cases if things fail that way it's still a bug; but you may have to explicitly resolve some problems by hand.  We recommend update-manager essentially because it saves us writing out release notes that say "first run 'apt-get install dpkg apt', then ..."
[17:24] <cjwatson> (I'm oversimplifying a great deal here)
[17:25] <achiang> ta
[17:43] <jdstrand> hyperair: that sounds like bug #618410
[17:44] <hyperair> hmm
[17:44] <hyperair> i can't look at it at the moment though
[17:44]  * jdstrand either
[17:44] <hyperair> my dear browsers have been knocked out of commission by massive i/o generated by dpkg.
[18:04] <pitti> kees: ah, I can do the pocket copying of the kernel for you if needed; so we need to sync that with the USN publication?
[18:18] <bilalakhtar> Natty is open?
[18:20] <cjwatson> no
[18:20] <shadeslayer> bilalakhtar: toolchain is being uploaded
[18:20] <cjwatson> it exists, and the toolchain is being prepared
[18:20] <bilalakhtar> ah
[18:20] <cjwatson> an announcement will be sent when it's open
[18:20] <bilalakhtar> So it should be open by Friday, right?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: is it this fast ever release ?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> like .. 10.10 was just released
[18:21] <nigelb> bilalakhtar: relax :p
[18:21] <shadeslayer> *every
[18:21] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: I am addicted to development :)
[18:21] <nigelb> hrm, better 'Don't Panic'
[18:21] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: it's usually pretty fast nowadays, though it can take time to get the toolchain built and such
[18:21] <shadeslayer> bilalakhtar: dont worry, youll get to flex your MOTU muscles :>
[18:22] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: ah ok
[18:22] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: for certainly at least the last several releases, we've started this open-and-preparing-toolchain phase the day after release
[18:22] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: ah ok .. didnt know
[18:24] <cjwatson> for instance lucid released the Tuesday after karmic release (which was a Thursday)
[18:24] <cjwatson> err
[18:24] <cjwatson> not released, opened :-)
[18:25] <cjwatson> karmic similarly
[18:26] <cjwatson> and in fact the same for jaunty.  so I don't know where this idea that it will take at least a week to open natty (which I've seen repeated several times the last few days) has come from
[18:27] <shadeslayer> right, i can see GCC building for natty :D
[18:27] <shadeslayer> should be done in a few minutes i think
[18:27] <cjwatson> maverick opened nine days after lucid released, but was an aberration in recent history.  I think that was something to do with UDS being the next week so we were busy preparing
[18:28] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: the toolchain is more than just gcc-4.4, particularly as gcc-4.5 will be default for natty
[18:28] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: yes, but gcc is the fundamental block of the toolkit right?
[18:28] <cjwatson> "particularly as gcc-4.5 will be default for natty"
[18:29] <ari-tczew> I remember toolchain issue on maverick start.
[18:29] <cjwatson> what you see building will only be used by a few packages
[18:29] <ari-tczew> Archive open was delayed due to bug in toolchain.
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:31] <bilalakhtar> sorry I missed the middle part
[18:32]  * bilalakhtar guesses the discussion
[18:37] <kees> pitti: don't worry about USN publication; given it's a 0-day, I may stick the USN for maverick entirely.
[18:37] <kees> *skip
[19:42]  * BUGabundo secretly wants #ubuntu+1 to reopen.  $ lsb_release -a Ubuntu natty (development branch)
[19:57] <BUGabundo> oh goody.... natty X is awesome.. already frozen twice
[20:01] <ari-tczew> BUGabundo: I don't understand what is awesome in natty? It's the same as maverick at this moment.
[20:03] <BUGabundo> ari-tczew: could be
[20:03] <BUGabundo> with newer glibc
[20:45] <ebroder> Grr. With proprietary drivers turned on, plymouth appears to be able to set a custom 16-color palette, but as soon as the drivers are loaded, they reset the VGA mode to the default palette
[21:25] <ari-tczew> ebroder: bug 653274
[21:51] <ebroder> ari-tczew: I've seen that too. But right now I'm using a custom plymouth theme, and it doesn't seem to fall back on text mode. I get graphics, they're just low color
[21:52] <ebroder> What's weird is that the graphics get rendered with a palette of 16 custom colors, but once udev is activated (I think it's udev - I'm not sure), the splash gets redrawn with the palette of 16 fixed colors
[22:43] <mawst> Hey nice move removing OSS from the kernel while the kernel compile guide hasn't been updated since 9.10.
[22:43] <mawst> Anyone wanna give me a hand adding OSS?
[22:43] <mawst> :D
[22:45] <ScottK> mawst: Support is in #ubuntu.
[22:46] <mawst> Where's the channel to bitch at devs for removing modules?
[22:46] <mawst> :D
[22:48] <crimsun> mawst: Fedora did it ages ago; there's a bug that documents the move; there's a blueprint that links the bug.
[22:49] <mawst> Fedora is anus.
[22:49] <mawst> Many things still work better with or REQUIRE oss.
[22:49] <mawst> padsp isn't the be all end all fix.
[22:49] <ogra_ac> crimsun, !
[22:50] <crimsun> no one said padsp is the be-all end-all.
[22:50] <mawst> So what's the alternative to "welp, you're boned"?
[22:50] <crimsun> the be-all end-all is fixing the damned application to not require OSS.
[22:50] <mawst> haha yeah because linux users can convince commercial devs to do that.
[22:50] <mawst> We can't even convince our devs to not break things.
[22:50] <mawst> *wink*
[22:51] <crimsun> anyhow, I'm afraid we're off-topic here, so if you're requiring snd-*-oss, take a look at the ubuntu-audio-dev PPA, which contains daily builds of linux-alsa-driver-modules that still have the oss compat bits enabled.
[22:51] <highvoltage> mawst: please uphold the Ubuntu Code of Conduct in this channel, or you will be asked to leave
[22:51] <ogra_ac> crimsun, do you have any idea if alsactl store/restore is supposed to call init ?
[22:51] <mawst> You can't fire me I quit!
[22:52] <crimsun> ogra_ac: it can but doesn't according to Debian's and Ubuntu's current config
[22:52] <ogra_ac> and if so, when it calls that (before or after setting the mixers)
[22:52] <mawst> ScottK, are you from netlink?
[22:52] <ogra_ac> crimsun, hmm, k
[22:52] <ogra_ac> crimsun, i have an audio bug where a card only works if i call init explicitly
[22:52] <ogra_ac> and only after the mixers have been set
[22:52] <ogra_ac> i was wondering if i see any kind fo race
[22:55] <crimsun> ogra_ac: well, there are two things that will happen for Natty: firstly, we'll drop calling the crufty initscript from the udev rule (invokes alsactl -I restore; the -I bypasses calling init); secondly, we're going to migrate as many of the quirks over to the init database.
[22:55] <ogra_ac> crimsun, bug 637947
[22:56] <ogra_ac> well, i currently care for maverick i want to SRU a fix
[22:56] <ogra_ac> so we'll have more suerspace control in natty ?
[22:56] <ogra_ac> great
[22:56] <ogra_ac> *userspace
[22:59] <mawst> Wouldn't installing oss4 via synaptic add it to the kernel?
[23:00] <crimsun> ogra_ac: hum.  I'm pretty sure you're also being bitten by the alsa-lib regression, too (for which I'm preparing an SRU candidate now); see bug #652035
[23:00] <ogra_ac> hmm
[23:00] <crimsun> ogra_ac: specifically the part about non-existent alsa card configurations leading to the bug you're seeing
[23:00] <ogra_ac> we'll have a meeting tomorrow at 15:00 UTC with the omap4 alsa driver dev and ASoC upstream, i'll bring that up
[23:01] <ogra_ac> if you feel like participating, we'll meet in #ubuntu-arm
[23:01] <crimsun> ogra_ac: there's already a candidate set of debs in my ppa if you want to test, and the reporter has confirmed the fix for his hardware
[23:01] <ogra_ac> oh, sweet
[23:01] <ogra_ac> yes, i'll test that tomorrow
[23:01] <crimsun> ogra_ac: would love to but it's during my work hours :/
[23:02] <ogra_ac> understood, i'll test the fix tomorrow if my boards are set up again (i just returned from dallas and am still sorting things)
[23:03]  * ogra_ac puts a cross reference in his bug
[23:03] <stgraber> ogra_ac: enjoying transatlantic flights that much that you want 4 in the same month ? :)
[23:04] <ogra_ac> stgraber, haha
[23:04] <ogra_ac> yeah
[23:04] <ogra_ac> collecting miles !
[23:04] <highvoltage> heh
[23:05] <stgraber> ogra_ac: btw, did you book your flight to Bangor ?
[23:06] <ogra_ac> stgraber, ugh, no, still not, will have to do that tomorrow first thing
[23:07] <ogra_ac> to much stuff going on in my life
[23:08] <stgraber> ok :) let me know when you know what time you'll be landing
[23:08] <ogra_ac> yeah, worst case i can afford a rental car for the few days
[23:51] <George_e> Hey, I just wanted to thank everyone for making 10.10 a huge success - I love the new look!


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[13:05] <manjo> apw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1700026 IBM is requesting we switch on CONFIG_POWER8_CPU for artful and switch off CONFIG_POWER7_CPU in the kernel build
[13:05] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1700026 in linux (Ubuntu) "[17.10 FEAT]: Update kernel .config for POWER8" [Undecided,New]
[13:05] <manjo> apw, is this something we can do without much heartburn ?
[13:10] <apw> manjo, that appears to be the config as is in the artful 4.11 kernel
[13:10] <manjo> apw, ah so it will just happen
[13:12] <apw> iirc there are also patches out for discussion for zesty, from them as far as i remember, so i am confused
[13:13] <manjo> apw, this bug  I ref here is talking only about artful .. they have not asked me regarding zesty .. unless they emalied you guys directly .. and bypass me .. which they do sometimes
[14:31] <manjo> slangasek, apw, for the stuff we discussed yesterday -edge to -hwe .. do you have a bug for that already? or do you want to me to open one so that I can point the stakeholders at it for their tracking?
[15:00] <aletorrado> Hi! Does anyone have experience building v4l (linuxtv) using recent ubuntu kernels? I'm having all kind of issues


[06:03] <Kilos> morning not_found and others
[07:34]  * not_found is now awake *fuzzy*
[07:34] <Kilos> hehe
[07:46] <Kilos> weird, thunder lightning and rain in mid winter on the highveld
[08:24] <Kilos> hi psyatw zeref
[08:24] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:24] <psyatw> hi zeref
[08:25] <Kilos> hehe i nearly asked why you are at work on a holiday
[08:33] <Kilos> morning superfly
[08:34] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:23] <psyatw> hi superfly
[09:23] <psyatw> oh, is today a holiday in za?
[09:23] <Kilos> so they say
[15:47] <Kilos> tumbleweed, to make my ibid auto identify so its cloaked, where must i add the /msg nickserv identify "password" ?
[15:47] <Kilos> in ibid.ini?
[15:48] <Kilos> or superfly
[15:48] <Kilos> hehe that looks funny
[15:48] <superfly> Yes. In me. :-P
[15:49] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:49] <Kilos> i meant do you know man
[15:49] <Kilos> the weed is very scarce
[16:03] <superfly> In the initial file somewhere. The documentation has the details
[16:34] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm at debconf
[16:34] <Kilos> ah sorry tumbleweed
[16:35] <tumbleweed> Kilos: set nickserv_password on the source
[16:35] <tumbleweed> preferably, set nickserv_mask too
[16:35] <Kilos> in the ibid.ini file?
[16:36] <tumbleweed> yes
[16:36] <Kilos> ty
[16:53] <Kilos> i did it wrong
[16:53] <Kilos> bot wouldnt boot
[16:53] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[16:53] <Kilos> sigh
[16:54] <Kilos> Maaz, shup
[16:54] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[16:54] <Kilos> Maaz, shup
[16:54] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[17:30] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[18:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[20:29] <tsimonq2> grr
[20:30] <tsimonq2> ugh
 👍
[20:31] <tsimonq2> THERE we go
[20:31] <acheronuk> you sure?
 Are you looking to get involved with Lubuntu? Testing is a great way to start!
[20:32] <lubot1> Help the Lubuntu Team test the release candidate Lubuntu 16.04.4 ISOs so they can be released on Thursday! More details are available on our mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2018-February/001133.html
[20:32] <tsimonq2> Yes :P
[20:32] <acheronuk> test
[20:33] <acheronuk> weird