[12:39] <Bicchi> 2 questions. Is kubuntu going to be released on the april 8th just like ubuntu? Also, is the april 8th release going to be the same as ubuntu april 8th release but with kde instead of gnome.
[12:39] <Bicchi> should i just download ubuntu to be safe?
[01:38] <_ReDRuM_> whats the right way to set fqdn under ubuntu?
[01:43] <membreya> _ReDRuM_: have you fixed VLC yet? :P
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> haven't even used it
[01:43] <_ReDRuM_> been busy
[02:10] <_ReDRuM_> ... nobody knows how to set the DNS domain name?
[02:11] <_ReDRuM_> just stick it in resolv.conf?
[02:17] <lonewolff> had anyone been able to install the quake 3 arena demo in kubuntu?
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> this really shouldn't be tough :/
[02:18] <_ReDRuM_> what a horrible kludge
[02:19] <_ReDRuM_> too confusing.
[02:21] <_ReDRuM_> cant stick it in /etc/hosts cause it gets its IP from DHCP
[02:29] <owner> how come when you drag MP3's into amaroK it doesn't play em correctly 0_o
[02:29] <_ReDRuM_> all i can find is people say put it as <IP_ADDRESS>'s name in /etc/hosts but that is known to break some programs that arent expecting to have <IP_ADDRESS> have the same name as your dns
[02:30] <loren> ah
[02:30] <loren> ty
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> loren: er? for aht? :P
[02:31] <_ReDRuM_> what even
[02:41] <billytwowilly> hi, I upgraded my amarok package and now the musicbrainz stuff doesn't work.
[02:46] <loren> has anyone managed to get a splash screen that completly blocks out bootup?
[02:46] <loren> i installed usplash, but it doesn't cover everything, just here and there
[02:47] <sladen> loren: which 'usplash'?
[02:47] <loren> the USplash package hmmh
[02:47] <loren> let me check
[02:47] <sladen> the thing that somebody else has written and called 'usplash'?
[02:47] <loren> usplash_0.1preview_i386.deb
[02:47] <sladen> where from?
[02:47] <loren> 1 sec
[02:48] <loren> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[02:49] <sladen> ?!
[02:49] <loren> that's the USplash for grub bootloader i installed
[02:49] <sladen> oh gah
[02:49] <loren> is it crap?
[02:50] <verden01> HI
[02:51] <loren> hi
[02:51] <loren> sladen: is there a better boot screen/manager thingo i can get that'll work nicely?
[02:51] <sladen> at the moment.  no
[02:51] <verden01> hey i'm doing a dist-upgrade now on my slow dialup so i would like to know if it will be close to the final version?
[02:51] <sladen> loren: it missed the Hoary freeze, so I stopped working on it
[02:51] <loren> are you on Horay or Warty?
[02:52] <verden01> hoary
[02:52] <loren> sladen: you wereworking on usplash? nice
[02:52] <sladen> loren: somebody else in the meantime has been working on something else based on the ideas on the wiki page and decided to call 'usplash-preview'
[02:52] <loren> it works most of the part, but i just wish it'd completly cover the text-stuff
[02:53] <loren> ah
[02:53] <verden01> oh sorry loren i must have answered someone elses question
[02:53] <loren> oh sorry verden01: im on horay and i believe it's the most updated version dunno though 0_o
[02:53] <loren> thanks sladen, i'll look for it
[02:54] <loren> do you have a link by chance?
[02:54] <loren> to usplash-priview
[02:55] <sladen> loren: you're the one that downloaded it, not me
[02:55] <loren> oh whoops lol
[02:55] <verden01> thanx
[02:55] <loren> i guess i'll have to get the official one from the wiki page lol
[02:56] <sladen> there is NO OFFICIAL ONE
[02:57] <loren> ...that's true lol, my brain's not all there ;) haha
[02:57] <sladen> somebody else has 'kindly' added some links from the design page to something they've written.  That is what you've downloaded
[02:57] <loren> ah, i see, do you by chance know if ubuntu's working on a official one?
[02:58] <loren> :)
[02:58] <sladen> 01:51 <          sladen > loren: it missed the Hoary freeze, so I stopped working on it
[02:58] <sladen> perhaps I should start again now the release is over
[02:58] <sladen> to try and decrease the confusion
[02:59] <loren> :) it's a cool feature, i had to get out there and search for a graphical boot coz i need to make this thing as easy and non-provoking to regular people
[02:59] <loren> at least that's my goal
[03:00] <sladen> loren: I think one of the focuses to date is that people boot their computer for <60seconds, once per day
[03:01] <loren> true, but the thing is im building something for OEM, so even if the most minute thing they dont like, it looks bad for me
[03:01] <sladen> compared to using it for 8hours per day.  In that respect, more effort has been put into optimising the friendliness of the desktop part, that is being viewed more
[03:01] <loren> yea
[03:01] <loren> Kubuntu is very friedly
[03:02] <loren> well, xpt for reading .deb files rofl
[03:02] <loren> imo if i download em and try to install em first i have to apt-get install kpackage
[03:02] <sladen> loren, for the moment, stick   vga=791 on the end of the boot line and the existing boot sequence should look much better (no line wraps and full screen)
[03:02] <loren> i think right now i have it set to 1280x1024
[03:02] <loren> let me check
[03:03] <loren> vga=0x31b
[03:03] <loren> atm
[03:03] <loren> is there a difference?
[03:08] <loren> COMCAST DIGITAL CABLE
[03:20] <loren> hey sladen, if you know any Kubuntu developers, pass em on the message that Kubuntu looks and operates pretty nice, but there are still those occasional inconvieniences like how file associations are mixed up, i g2g
[03:20] <loren> thanks for the help, and i hope you continue working on USplash, it's pretty cool, just i'd reccomend having it x-out any and all text during startup
[03:20] <loren> cya
[03:23] <sladen> loren: I'm sure they'll read your message about how good it looks and operates.  Well all of them except haggai ;-)
[03:23] <_ReDRuM_> anyone know a handy way to list packages installed since a certain time?
[03:25] <haggai> sladen: hey what are you doing on this channel? :)
[03:26] <sladen> note sure ;-)
[03:41] <sladen> I don't think I have enough disk space for  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:41] <sladen> the excessive 'bling' takes up too much room
[03:43] <haggai> just deinstall gnome and you'll find there's plenty of room..
[04:35] <gporcel> Hi, guys. I just installed kubuntu. It's a work of art!
[04:36] <gporcel> Can anybody point me to the repositories that I'd need to add to get my DVD playing.
[04:38] <blacklabel> http://www.ubuntulinux.com/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:44] <gporcel> blacklabel: Thank you.
[05:11] <Tsuroerusu> Hey guys, any chances that the final Kubuntu Hoary 5.04 will be released along with Ubuntu today?
[05:13] <Riddell> Tsuroerusu: I'd say there's a good chance of that
[05:39] <StR_gt> hi there...
[05:39] <StR_gt> what was that pkg name to get full  kubuntu?
[05:40] <Riddell> StR_gt: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[05:41] <StR_gt> kubuntu-default-settings?  or how was it?
[05:42] <Riddell> "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[05:54] <StR_gt> what does "kubuntu-default-settings"  has?
[05:55] <Riddell> it has the default settings for kubuntu, to state the obvious
[06:30] <benjanet> how much hours more for kibintu stable download
[06:38] <benja> how many hours for kubuntu stable ?
[06:40] <narg> Is there and equiv of sid repos on ubuntu, or do you just stick with the lastest testing one for newest software?
[06:53] <freex> elow rum
[06:53] <freex> can i ask a apache question?
[06:58] <NumPy> heh, got a good one, how do i start sshd
[07:55] <chron> howdy
[08:03] <chron> anyone here use dial-up ppp in kubuntu?
[08:03] <loren> noperz
[08:03] <ztonzy> morning, btw did you see Ubuntu site ?  facelift ;)
[08:03] <ztonzy> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:05] <loren> why?
[08:05] <ztonzy> no idea :)
[08:05] <loren> hehh
[08:05] <ztonzy> maybe the yellow/red wasn't that good looking ?
[08:05] <loren> u made me think they got a new site or something
[08:05] <loren> XD
[08:05] <ztonzy> hehe
[08:06] <loren> meh, i dont care for it
[08:06] <loren> it's more of a gnome feel though
[08:06] <loren> dry
[08:06] <loren> desert like
[08:06] <ztonzy> ah you mean compared to Kubuntu, funny though,  www.kubuntu.org has same look as Ubuntu, no clue  :) ??
[08:07] <loren> heh
[08:07] <loren> it's blue ;)
[08:07] <loren> lol
[08:07] <ztonzy> but not layout :)
[08:07] <loren> i really think they should have kept the same name, but whatever floats your boat
[08:07] <loren> meh yeah
[08:08] <loren> kubuntu is very eye-candy user friendly
[08:08] <loren> which is good
[08:08] <ztonzy> true
[08:08] <loren> heh
[08:08] <loren> i just wish their hardware support was a little nicer
[08:08] <ztonzy> but ubuntu is way easier than most distros anyway ;)
[08:08] <ztonzy> Kubuntu ?
[08:08] <loren> like some GL issues, and erm, file extensions cough** cough**
[08:08] <loren> Kubuntu
[08:08] <loren> Ubuntu is god of gnome, if i were to use gnome i'd use ubuntu
[08:09] <loren> ro Gentoo
[08:09] <ztonzy> GL issues ?
[08:09] <ztonzy> what card? drivers?
[08:09] <loren> hmmh 1 sec, let me find out
[08:09] <ztonzy> I dont have any issues myself, got a nvidia fx5600
[08:10] <loren> cool, i have a 5500 in my other compy
[08:10] <loren> im on a Nvidia  shoot where is it
[08:10] <loren> i think MX 440?
[08:10] <loren> can you display OpenGL screensavers? im curious
[08:11] <ztonzy> ok, well....MX 440 cards doesnt have the best GL support imho
[08:11] <ztonzy> me ?  sure
[08:11] <loren> good
[08:11] <ztonzy> np
[08:11] <loren> hehe, i know, it's really a piece of crap, every piece of the machines damn nice xpt the graphics card
[08:11] <loren> good ole 64m ;)
[08:12] <ztonzy> hahaaha
[08:12] <loren> yeah ;) its a test machine aside from the 2GB ram lol
[08:13] <loren> i dont know how you get 2GB ram and 64mb graphics card, but... well... whatever lol
[08:13] <ztonzy> I am avid Blender user...and onced tried Blender on my brothers machine with a GF4 MX440...and the mesh in the 3D view looked all messed up
[08:13] <loren> im glad it runs OpenGL for you, coz that means that when i switch cards it'll run GL fine
[08:13] <ztonzy> and Blender is drawn in GL , the GUI
[08:13] <loren> as for sound though
[08:13] <loren> yea, Blender ROX
[08:13] <loren> BTW: can you play more than one sound/song at a time?
[08:13] <loren> im curious
[08:14] <ztonzy> hmmm   havent tried...I have a VIA chipset mobo with built in soundcard....but I guess
[08:14] <loren> ah
[08:15] <ztonzy> sure
[08:15] <ztonzy> np
[08:15] <loren> could i ask you to try? lol sorry, i'm just trying to see if it's just my soundcard
[08:15] <ztonzy> evensounds and XMMS :)
[08:15] <ztonzy> event*
[08:15] <loren> ah
[08:15] <loren> :)
[08:15] <loren> mine's really jacking up im not sure if it's because i have 2 sound cards in or what, prolly
[08:15] <loren> or maby coz i have an augility by creative
[08:15] <ztonzy> eeeww
[08:16] <ztonzy> turn on off in BIOS then
[08:16] <ztonzy> ;)
[08:17] <loren> ah
[08:17] <loren> deffinatly
[08:17] <loren> i'll do that on next boot
[08:18] <lmx> final version of kubuntu today?
[08:18] <ztonzy> I got a Creative Live! 5.1  but I am happy with my new mobo's built in soundcard...and yah, lazy to put it in too
[08:19] <loren> yea?
[08:19] <loren> hmmr
[08:19] <loren> kickass
[08:19] <loren> yeah i can only play one sound at a time
[08:20] <loren> and usually it fux up
[08:20] <loren> lol
[08:20] <Beineri> lmx: likely ;-)
[08:20] <ztonzy> loren, checked if system use "Full Duplex" ??
[08:20] <loren> care to spare a command ;)
[08:20] <loren> XD
[08:21] <ztonzy> KDE's controlpanel for systemsound ??
[08:21] <ztonzy> loren, but I would start to turn off one soundcard first
[08:21] <loren> ah
[08:22] <loren> good idea rofl
[08:22] <loren> :)
[08:22] <loren> 1 min
[08:23] <loren> hmmh dunno
[08:24] <loren> damn controlcenter lol
[08:24] <loren> can't find full duplex or anything like it anywhere lol
[08:25] <ztonzy> hmm
[08:25] <ztonzy> I read now Full Duplex is mostly for recording and playing up sounds at same time
[08:26] <ztonzy> I guess it shouldnt care for playing up several sounds at same time
[08:42] <chron> control center > sound & multimedia > sound system | hardware tab for ful duplex setting
[08:43] <loren> wow owch
[08:43] <loren> thanks a ton man
[08:43] <loren> i appreciate it
[08:44] <chron> np
[08:45] <chron> kppp can't detect my modem for some reason, using the same settings as i'm using right now in knoppix
[08:46] <chron> is there a sepearte config for modems that i missed?
[08:46] <loren> shoot hmmh
[08:46] <loren> under Kubuntu there is a dialup manager, but you prolly already found that
[08:46] <loren> erm, they might not bash you if you go in debian, just dont tell them you're using kubuntu lol
[08:47] <loren> im not sure myself actually how do do that unfortuantly
[08:47] <loren> as i use Broadban
[08:47] <loren> d
[09:17] <Kamping_kaiser> whens the first official release expected?
[09:18] <loren> Horay was already released
[09:18] <Beineri> the announcement? when Riddell wakes up ;-)
[09:18] <loren> last week
[09:18] <loren> wait
[09:18] <loren> waht?
[09:18] <Beineri> loren: last week was release candidate
[09:18] <Riddell> give us a chance :)
[09:18] <loren> really? it wasn't offical?
[09:18] <loren> 0_o
[09:18] <loren> hmmh
[09:18] <Beineri> Riddell: good morning
[09:18] <loren> Riddel?
[09:18] <Kamping_kaiser> kubuntu hoarys gone offical?
[09:19] <loren> no it cant lol
[09:19] <loren> they need to fix the .deb prob with kynaptic lol
[09:19] <loren> such a pain
[09:19] <loren> lol
[09:19] <Kamping_kaiser> heh.
[09:19] <loren> KK, not sure, i thought it did, but it guess that' was just RC1 thats all
[09:20] <loren> the one beef i have with Kubuntu is the file association
[09:20] <loren> .deb files dont install when you double click on em
[09:20] <loren> so i had to download kpackage lol
[09:20] <dimmak> well i just managed to play a single .vob file on an encrypted dvd... but none of the others play... such a pain
[09:20] <loren> yeah
[09:21] <loren> it's too bad that it takes time to iron out these things :(
[09:21] <loren> i really really like Kubuntu, but it's those little things yeah?
[09:21] <loren> meh hmmh, so really though 1.0 or whatnot goes official real soon?
[09:22] <dimmak> yes many little things
[09:22] <dimmak> still by far my favorite distro... i am happy once i have my precious fix(es)
[09:22] <loren> deffinatly
[09:23] <loren> it looks great, doesn't have stupid crap everywhere which brings down the feeling, and it's got KDE3.4 what more could you ask for eh?
[09:23] <loren> oh and it's debian based
[09:47] <hunger> What is gam_server?
[09:51] <Verwilst> yoyo
[09:51] <Verwilst> today release? :)
[09:51] <Beineri> Verwilst: no other release anymore today ;-)
[09:52] <Riddell> get it while it's hot!
[09:53] <hunger> Riddell: I tried... no updated packages since yesterday:-)
[09:53] <hunger> So how do I keep following the develeopment? Do I need to change my apt/sources.list?
[09:54] <hunger> And where can I grab codecs, etc.?
[09:55] <Riddell> hunger: breezy will be open in a few days I guess
[09:55] <hunger> Riddell: breezy What?
[09:55] <Riddell> hunger: breezy badger!
[09:56] <hunger> Riddell: Great:-) I'll follow that then.
[09:57] <haggai> AFAIK breezy opened already
[09:57] <Riddell> hunger: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:57] <hunger> The trackers won't let me in since my mail setup is completly screwed up (which is what I wanted to report anyway).
[09:57] <haggai> oh no its not there yet
[09:57] <hunger> I hate trackers that you need to register with.
[10:04] <alanic> kubuntu is sweeeeeeeet!
[10:07] <blacklabel> does it rule
[10:07] <Riddell> blacklabel: try it an find out
[10:07] <blacklabel> i already have it
[10:08] <Riddell> and does it?
[10:08] <xamdm> hi @ all
[10:08] <blacklabel> i was taking the piss out of the guy who said it was sweeeeeeeet!
[10:08] <Riddell> but it is sweeeeeeeet
[10:08] <xamdm> what is sweeeet ??
[10:08] <alanic> yeah it is sweeeet!
[10:09] <alanic> I upgraded from debian unstable on the fly
[10:09] <alanic> and I now have xorg and kde3.4.0
[10:15] <xamdm> alanic, and what is so fantastic ??, ju just switched to kubuntu...
[10:16] <alanic> having packages for newest software, the one thing debian sucked about sometimes
[10:16] <kakalto> how is it, that #ubuntu is busting with activity, yet this is almost silent?
[10:17] <alanic> xamdm: nothing else
[10:17] <Kamping_kaiser> ubuntu is whre the questions go
[10:17] <Verwilst> w00t
[10:17] <xamdm> kakalto, maybe nobody has any problems so far ;-)
[10:17] <kakalto> xamdm, I had problems even before the release ;)
[10:18] <xamdm> kakalto, hm, for me hoary runs perfect, what kind of problems ??
[10:18] <kakalto> I upgraded before release, to miss all the heavy traffic
[10:18] <alanic> I actually do, kdevelop3 gives me this dpkg: error processing kdevelop3 (--configure):
[10:18] <alanic>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:18] <alanic> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:18] <alanic>  kdevelop3
[10:18] <alanic> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:18] <kakalto> and xorg didn't install properly
[10:18] <alanic> sorry
[10:18] <alanic> but it still works
[10:18] <Verwilst> http://www.kubuntu.org/ is down?
[10:18] <kakalto> it didn't configure properly when I configured it
[10:18] <xamdm> alanic, maybe because jou updated from debian ....
[10:19] <alanic> might be
[10:19] <kakalto> so I had to remove a couple of packages from the loader for it to load
[10:19] <alanic> but still
[10:19] <blacklabel> u should've done a fresh install
[10:19] <kakalto> I'm going to
[10:19] <alanic> nah
[10:19] <kakalto> although, I might just wait for xubunut....
[10:19] <alanic> too much work
[10:19] <kakalto> *xubuntu
[10:20] <xamdm> alanic, maybe jous should do apt-cache clean ore autoclean and then a apt-get update, and have a lokk that there is now debian-src in jour sources.list
[10:20] <blacklabel> is it being madE?
[10:20] <kakalto> yeah, according to jdub
[10:20] <xamdm> kakalto, xibuntu ??
[10:20] <kakalto> xubuntu
[10:20] <kakalto> for xfce
[10:20] <kakalto> or is it xibuntu?
[10:20] <xamdm> kakalto, would be great, is it planed ??
[10:21] <kakalto> talk to jdub, but it sounds like it is
[10:21] <kakalto> but I wonder...
[10:21] <kakalto> 500-600mb for iso of ubuntu or kubuntu...
[10:21] <kakalto> 200mb for iso of xubuntu?
[10:21] <kakalto> lol, with all that stuff in kde/gnome
[10:22] <alanic> xamdm: didn't help.
[10:23] <blacklabel> how lightweight is xfce compared to kde or something like fluxbox
[10:23] <kakalto> anything's lighter than kde
[10:23] <kakalto> but fluxbox is lighter than xfce
[10:23] <kakalto> I thought fluxbox was a little too light
[10:23] <kakalto> so I went with xfce
[10:24] <Beineri> xamdm: Ubuntu is establihsed, Kubuntu is new. That's why here are fewer users.
[10:25] <Beineri> kakalto: imo those 100MB Windows binaries should be cut off the (k)ubuntu images
[10:25] <kakalto> 100mb windows binaries?
[10:25] <kakalto> oh, on the livecd
[10:27] <kakalto> I'm not sure
[10:27] <Beineri> 93MB actually
[10:27] <kakalto> I mean, if they're on a livecd, they're not going to hinder much, are they?
[10:28] <kakalto> plus, livecd
[10:28] <kakalto> aren't they made for win-users?
[10:28] <blacklabel> not exactly
[10:30] <blacklabel> kakalto: you can install as server then install xorg and xfce later is that what youll do?
[10:31] <kakalto> not too sure
[10:32] <kakalto> 'cause I'm gonna be wanting a bunch of gnome applications anyway
[10:32] <kakalto> So I'll probably just get ubuntu hoary, install desktop, then install xfce
[10:33] <kakalto> and when it's released, I'll have a look at xubuntu
[10:33] <kakalto> hi
[10:35] <kakalto> I gotta go through and install everything when I update
[10:37] <closure> kubuntu out yet?
[10:37] <kakalto> ya...
[10:37] <closure> apt-dist upgrade?
[10:38] <kakalto> no idea
[10:38] <closure> or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:38] <xamdm> closure, apt-get update
[10:38] <xamdm> claydoh, apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:38] <xamdm> closure i menat
[10:38] <kakalto> heheh.
[10:38] <closure> *nods*
[10:39] <closure> hrm
[10:39] <closure> are the repositories new?
[10:39] <kakalto> I would assume so
[10:40] <kakalto> I, myself don't use kubuntu, so yeah..
[10:40] <closure> lol
[10:40] <kakalto> I'm only talking here because #ubuntu is crowded
[10:40] <closure> right cause all apt-get dist-upgrade did was update office
[10:41] <kakalto> hehe
[10:41] <xamdm> closure, do jou use hoary ??, the n just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:41] <kakalto> I'm loving the idea of xubuntu
[10:42] <closure> i've already done that a qhile ago
[10:42] <xamdm> kakalto, jes sounds good, but i hope that we don't have 20000 ubuntus one day, so we could use debian instead ;-)
[10:42] <kakalto> lol
[10:42] <closure> xamdm, that will just destroy my configured desktop as is
[10:43] <kakalto> so, as I understand it, the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the kubuntu-desktop package?
[10:43] <xamdm> closure, maybe jour system is uptodate ??
[10:43] <kakalto> (which includes kde, etc. )
[10:43] <xamdm> kakalto, yes
[10:43] <closure> xamdm, that's what i think
[10:44] <xamdm> closure, for me there was no update today
[10:45] <xamdm> does somebody know how to build deb packages, ore a url to a howto ??, would like to build packages with my grup-splashimage and the usplash-image
[10:46] <alanic> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpingKubuntu
[10:46] <alanic> it gives links there
[10:47] <sladen> xamdm: google for 'Debian new maintainer guide'
[10:47] <xamdm> thx
[10:47] <kakalto> xamdm, did I talk to you yesterday?
[10:47] <kakalto> no I didn't, did I?
[10:48] <kakalto> I get confused with all the people on IRC :S
[10:48] <xamdm> kakalto, maybe u did, can't remember :-)
[10:48] <kakalto> hehe
[11:06] <esher> it is recommend after dist-upgrade to reboot ?
[11:06] <xamdm> esher, did jou do a kernel update ??, if so reboot ;-)
[11:07] <kakalto> esher, yeah, it changes from xf86 to xorg
[11:07] <Riddell> esher: no need for a reboot
[11:07] <esher> no, only packages are updated
[11:07] <kakalto> assuming you had an xf86 version of ubuntu
[11:07] <esher> ( Multimedia ) Video Card: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO]  [ Screen Resolution: 1920x1200 pixels / 24 Bits | DRI:  ]  | Sound Card: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM  | CD-RW: ATAPI DVD+RW 8X4X12
[11:07] <closure> esher, yeah i have heard that kernel upgrade is the only reason to reboot. though i reboot if i update an assload of apps
[11:07] <esher> think xorg running here
[11:08] <esher> Xorg: 6.8.2
[11:08] <closure> esher what did you run to get that
[11:08] <closure> like what command
[11:08] <xamdm> esher, if u updated xorg just restart x :-)
[11:09] <esher> ok thanx
[11:09] <esher> xlack xchat script
[11:09] <esher> shows me some informations
[11:09] <kakalto> true
[11:09] <closure> ohhhh
[11:09] <kakalto> mine shows twice though :(
[11:09] <closure> there are scripts for this pos client?
[11:09] <kakalto> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686 GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Xfce v | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[11:09] <kakalto> maybe not
[11:09] <esher> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-386, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: KDE: 3.4.0 | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[11:09] <closure> maybe that would make me like it better
[11:09] <esher> ;)
[11:09] <kakalto> mine displayed twice when I was warty
[11:10] <closure> esher, where would i find scripts for this client?
[11:10] <esher> at xchat.org
[11:10] <closure> thank you
[11:11] <closure> *slaps on his shoes and starts walking* new porject time!
[11:11] <closure> i don't see how people who like to customize anything don't get into computers
[11:12] <kakalto> yeah...
[11:13] <closure> anybody watching the pope's funeral?
[11:14] <closure> LadyRoot, you are? can you believe they're going to give communiun(sp?) to every single person there?!
[11:14] <LadyRoot> closure, I hope not
[11:14] <kakalto> lol
[11:14] <LadyRoot> or there will be hundreds of preachers doing itr
[11:14] <LadyRoot> *it
[11:15] <closure> yeah they said there are 320 preists on hand
[11:16] <LadyRoot> still too little
[11:16] <kakalto> whey
[11:16] <closure> seems that way
[11:18] <LadyRoot> why does the IBM Thinkpad KDE support works in each distro except ubuntu?
[11:19] <LadyRoot> any1 has thinkpad here?
[11:19] <kakalto> nope
[11:19] <LadyRoot> :/
[11:20] <closure> LadyRoot, what do you mean?
[11:21] <LadyRoot> closure, I mean that IBM Thinkpad extra keys in KDE control center
[11:21] <LadyRoot> I have nvram module installed, changed permissions and still not working
[11:21] <LadyRoot> on same config in slackware works fine
[11:21] <closure> i have a thinkpad in control center
[11:21] <LadyRoot> yep
[11:22] <closure> so what are you saying?
[11:22] <LadyRoot> i am saying it is not working
[11:22] <LadyRoot> a
[11:22] <closure> oh
[11:22] <LadyRoot> when i press thinkpad keys nothing happens
[11:22] <closure> *shrugs*
[11:22] <closure> i wish i could bind my damn win keys
[11:22] <kakalto> you can, methinks
[11:23] <kakalto> I don't know exactly how, but you can :P
[11:23] <xamdm> closure, win keys ??
[11:23] <haggai> closure: you should have been writing that in a bugreport before the release...
[11:23] <closure> haggai, that's the least of my concerns
[11:24] <closure> haggai, i am sure you can do it i just do not know how
[11:24] <haggai> closure: eek sorry wrong nick
[11:24] <haggai> that should have been to LadyRoot about the thinkpad keys
[11:24] <LadyRoot> also in kubuntu-desktop not every KDE application is in the menu
[11:25] <haggai> LadyRoot: that is deliberate to keep the menu tidy
[11:25] <LadyRoot> like KNode, I had to add it manually
[11:25] <haggai> LadyRoot: those are all available vie kontact
[11:25] <Riddell> LadyRoot: knode is part of kontact
[11:25] <kakalto> Juk won't run :(
[11:25] <closure> LadyRoot, once i removed gnome from ubuntu my synaptic stopped adding things to the menu. i'm not sure how to change that
[11:25] <kakalto> neither will amarok :(
[11:26] <xamdm> kakalto, both work fine for me..
[11:26] <LadyRoot> Riddell, thanks, just dont use kontact, that's why didn't know
[11:26] <kakalto> xamdm, then again, my hoary upgrade from warty wasn't the smoothest
[11:26] <closure> kakalto, they both run for me they do not play sound/video
[11:26] <kakalto> also, I use ubuntu, not kubuntu...
[11:26] <kakalto> all the good media players seem to be on kde
[11:27] <closure> kakalto, i use xine and xmms
[11:27] <xamdm> kakalto, what about gxine and rythmbox ??
[11:27] <closure> they play everything marvelously
[11:27] <kakalto> rhythmbox sucks
[11:27] <closure> kakalto, i still can't get firefox to play embeded media though
[11:27] <xamdm> kakalto, muine ??
[11:27] <kakalto> it takes about an hour to load my music library
[11:27] <kakalto> muine, I was told about, I haven't tried yet
[11:28] <xamdm> but amarok is great, do jou use it wis gstreamer ore xine engine ??
[11:28] <kakalto> I like when the media player has a nice big media library & playlists, easy to swap between
[11:28] <kakalto> it doesn't run
[11:28] <xamdm> kakalto, which is installed ??
[11:29] <kakalto> xine, I think
[11:29] <xamdm> xine configured for alsa??
[11:29] <kakalto> actually
[11:29] <kakalto> both are installed
[11:29] <kakalto> dunno
[11:30] <kakalto> xine worked with what was it...
[11:30] <kakalto> totem?
[11:30] <xamdm> remove the gstreamer-engine, had problems with it in amarok
[11:30] <kakalto> yeah
[11:30] <kakalto> okay
[11:30] <xamdm> totem, uses gstreamer by default
[11:30] <closure> kakalto, i just use xine no mod of it just xine
[11:30] <xamdm> maybe install xine-ui :-)
[11:30] <kakalto> ah
[11:31] <xamdm> using kaffeine and Amarok
[11:31] <kakalto> after removing gstreamer, amarok still doesn't work
[11:31] <kakalto> kaffeine, is that good?
[11:31] <xamdm> what happens ??
[11:31] <xamdm> kaffein, only for videos ...
[11:32] <kakalto> if you don't mind 4 lines of error, I'll give you it
[11:32] <closure> DAMNIT
[11:32] <kakalto> kakalto@athlon:~ $ amarok
[11:32] <kakalto> amaroK: [Loader]  Starting amarokapp..
[11:32] <kakalto> amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[11:32] <kakalto> amaroK: [Loader]  amarokapp probably crashed!
[11:33] <closure> wait
[11:33] <closure> kakalto, don't you run ubuntu?
[11:33] <kakalto> yeah
[11:33] <closure> isn't amaroK for KDE?
[11:33] <kakalto> yeah
[11:33] <kakalto> the qt libraries are installed though
[11:33] <closure> wouldn't that explain it?
[11:34] <kakalto> yes it would...
[11:34] <xamdm> closure, no, just depends on the kde-libs
[11:34] <closure> *shrugs*
[11:34] <kakalto> doesn't kde have to open the kde libs especially, so that kde apps will run?
[11:34] <xamdm> closure, jou can run kde-apps in gnome and gnome-apps in kde
[11:34] <kakalto> oops
[11:34] <kakalto> *doesn't xfce have to open the kde libs especially, so that kde apps will run?
[11:34] <closure> xamdm, yeah nevermind
[11:35] <xamdm> amrok should load thme itself, xfce4.2 can do this at startup, makes it faster
[11:36] <kakalto> ohk
[11:36] <kakalto> it's funny, isn't it
[11:36] <kakalto> it should run
[11:36] <xamdm> strange
[11:36] <kakalto> there's no dependency issues, 'cause synaptic would have picked them up
[11:37] <xamdm> kakalto try kdeinit amarok
[11:37] <kakalto> what's amarok's homepage...
[11:37] <kakalto> okie
[11:37] <kakalto> nope
[11:37] <xamdm> http://amarok.kde.org/
[11:37] <kakalto> crashed again
[11:38] <xamdm> did jou install kde ??, mybe test it in kde, it it is running there it is a real strange bug
[11:38] <LadyRoot> how tu apt-get qt-devel? what package name is it?
[11:38] <LadyRoot> *to
[11:39] <kakalto> perhaps I accidently left out some kdelibs
[11:39] <kakalto> I don't have kde
[11:39] <xamdm> kakalto, then amarok wpould hav been removed
[11:40] <kakalto> true..
[11:40] <xamdm> kakalto, try muine
[11:40] <kakalto> I looked at that... looked funn
[11:40] <kakalto> *funny
[11:41] <xamdm> kakalto, i don't understand why it doesn't run, i usde xfce a lon time on my notebook with amarok
[11:41] <kakalto> I'll five it a go
[11:41] <kakalto> *give
[11:41] <closure> LadyRoot, there they go
[11:41] <kakalto> and this is a desktop, it should work
[11:42] <closure> that's an impressive site
[11:42] <kakalto> 300+ hoary download torrent-ers
[11:42] <kakalto> ( just a random fact)
[11:43] <kakalto> and yet I only get d/l speeds of 1k/s >.<
[11:43] <kakalto> well, 10 max
[11:44] <xamdm> kakalto, hm, i have 70K/s
[11:44] <xamdm> just limited in azureus
[11:44] <kakalto> maybe I was looking at upload speed :$
[11:45] <kakalto> xamdm, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:45] <LadyRoot> closure, wonder how many hours will it take
[11:45] <xamdm> kakalto, oh kubuntu, sry
[11:45] <kakalto> ahk
[11:45] <kakalto> a bit of a difference
[11:45] <kakalto> about how many kubuntu torrent-ers are there?
[11:45] <kakalto> (just curious)
[11:46] <xamdm> 76
[11:47] <kakalto> ohk
[11:47] <kakalto> there's like 309 (including seeds) for ubuntu
[11:47] <xamdm> but won't bittorent become faster if ther are more people ??
[11:48] <kakalto> theoretically
[11:48] <kakalto> but if people have slow internet, it's probably not
[11:48] <kakalto> I mean, if 20% are on 56k, they probably slow everyone down
[11:48] <xamdm> but if someone uses bt he should hav adsl , ore will wait years :-)
[11:49] <xamdm> are there people using 56k for  a 600 MB download ??
[11:49] <kakalto> :)
[11:49] <kakalto> lol
[11:49] <kakalto> probably not
[11:49] <kakalto> I sure wouldn't try it
[11:49] <xamdm> is there a nice gui vor pon poff in kde ??
[11:50] <kakalto> huh?
[11:50] <kakalto> was half of that in german or something?
[11:50] <closure> kakalto, you mean how many people use torrents or how many people are seeded?
[11:50] <kakalto> both
[11:52] <xamdm> kakalto, i need a gui for the pon and poff scripts like gpppon in gnome
[11:52] <closure> i use torrents but i'm not getting the iso through torrents
[11:52] <xamdm> sorry for my bad english
[11:52] <kakalto> ohk
[11:53] <kakalto> xamdm, I don't know of them
[11:55] <xamdm> kakalto, they are jut for pppoe, just need it if my server is off, and i just wont to look in to internet for 2 minutes ...
[11:56] <closure> 1.2.1 is out now
[11:56] <closure> for gaim
[11:57] <closure> yet we're still on 1.1.4 in good old ubuntu
[11:57] <kakalto> juk looks kewl
[11:57] <kakalto> on hoary
[11:57] <kakalto> on warty, it didn't look as good
[11:57] <xamdm> back in a few minutes ...
[11:57] <kakalto> but...
[11:57] <kakalto> it doesn't play!
[11:57] <kakalto> :(
[11:58] <Riddell> closure: try kopete
[11:58] <yh> kopete is good :)
[11:58] <kakalto> kopete's pretty good, but I don't like the default settings
[11:58] <yh> that is..
[12:01] <closure> Riddell, ? i hated that thing
[12:02] <closure> Riddell, reminds me of trillian
[12:02] <GNAM> kubuntu use synaptics?
[12:02] <kakalto> how do I get juk playing mp3's under hoary?
[12:02] <GNAM> like ubuntu?
[12:02] <kakalto> it played mp3's under warty
[12:02] <kakalto> yeah
[12:02] <kakalto> kubuntu is ubuntu, just with kde
[12:03] <xamdm> GNAM, there is also a porgramm called kynaptic, but is not as good as synaptic
[12:04] <Riddell> LadyRoot: libqt3c102-mt
[12:05] <LadyRoot> Riddell, but where does it hide, i cannot compile anything, no libraries are found in system!
[12:06] <Riddell> LadyRoot: /usr/lib/*qt*
[12:06] <gsuveg> re
[12:06] <Riddell> LadyRoot: you need the headers as well
[12:06] <Riddell> libqt3-mt-dev
[12:07] <LadyRoot> Riddell, thank you
[12:07] <closure> GNAM, yes and Kynaptics thouh synaptic is far better
[12:08] <xamdm> whick package provides ui_main.h ??
[12:09] <xamdm> which ....
[12:09] <GNAM> synaptic is include in kubuntu?
[12:09] <GNAM> it's a gnome program
[12:09] <GNAM> a gtk program
[12:10] <kakalto> heheh
[12:10] <jsgotangco> kynaptic
[12:10] <kakalto> is it?
[12:10] <xamdm> just install it with apt-get ;-)
[12:11] <GNAM> ok
[12:11] <xamdm> GNAM, and install gtk-qt-engine, then synaptic looks beter :-)
[12:11] <GNAM> auau
[12:12] <xamdm> GNAM, jou have to configure gtk-qt also as root, synaptic is run with gksudo ore kdesu ...
[12:12] <xamdm> auau ??
[12:12] <kakalto> I like the kubuntu colour scheme better than ubuntu
[12:12] <kakalto> but I don't like kde
[12:12] <kakalto> nothing's bigger than kde
[12:13] <closure> gnam gtk /= gnome
[12:13] <xamdm> kakalto, change the colours from jour ubuntu :-)
[12:13] <kakalto> hehe
[12:13] <kakalto> I already have
[12:13] <kakalto> considering I don't even use gnome
[12:13] <xamdm> xfce , i forgot :-)
[12:13] <Beineri> kakalto: bigger? Kubuntu Install CD is smaller than the one for Ubuntu :-)
[12:14] <kakalto> you know what I mean
[12:14] <Beineri> no
[12:14] <xamdm> yes 40 MB :-)
[12:14] <kakalto> okay, then you don't know what I mean
[12:14] <kakalto> let me explain
[12:14] <Pointwood> hi, how do I change character encoding in Konsole? (I need the Danish characterset), I've tried changing it in 'Terminal -> Set Character encoding' but that doesn't change anything :(
[12:14] <kakalto> KDE, you have this huge bar at the bottom as default
[12:14] <kakalto> (I like my full-screen xfce setup)
[12:15] <kakalto> gnome, default (on ubuntu), you have 2 smaller bars, one top, the other bottom
[12:15] <closure> kakalto,
[12:15] <kakalto> which is alright
[12:15] <xamdm> kakalto, just change its sice ;-)
[12:15] <closure> that is not always the way dude
[12:15] <closure> my KDE is super slim
[12:15] <closure> kinda like your condoms
[12:15] <kakalto> xamdm, it doesn't look right when you shrink it
[12:15] <closure> >8-P
[12:15] <kakalto> ohk
[12:15] <kakalto> :P
[12:15] <closure> sorry i just had to throw that on
[12:15] <closure> ol
[12:15] <closure> err lol
[12:15] <closure> it was too easty
[12:15] <closure> err easy
[12:15] <xamdm> kakalto, looks great, using tiny for the taskbar, realy slim .-)
[12:15] <kakalto> heheh
[12:16] <kakalto> I like using the WHOLE screen ;)
[12:16] <closure> you can configure K to do that
[12:16] <kakalto> pop-up bars? can kde do that, and still look kewl?
[12:16] <closure> as well
[12:16] <closure> you can do a lot with kde
[12:16] <kakalto> especially the last bit
[12:16] <kakalto> and still look kewl
[12:16] <closure> i don't use autohide
[12:16] <xamdm> kakalto, yes
[12:16] <closure> as far as i know i don't see why not though
[12:16] <xamdm> i dont't use autohide, but it works good
[12:17] <kakalto> it doesn't fit, I don't think
[12:17] <verden01> hey just done a dist-upgrade to hoary and its great
[12:17] <xamdm> what doesn't fit ??
[12:17] <kakalto> like WinXP, you hide it, and there's still this large bar at the bottom?
[12:17] <kakalto> verden01, good on ya ;)
[12:17] <Beineri> kakalto: anything other than "default panel doesn't fit my taste"?
[12:17] <verden01> :-)
[12:17] <xamdm> kakalto, if it is hidden its hidden
[12:17] <kakalto> Beineri, no
[12:17] <kakalto> my xfce isn't default
[12:17] <kakalto> it's custom
[12:17] <incubii> sweet release
[12:18] <kakalto> I suppose I just haven't messed around with kde enough
[12:18] <kakalto> but doesn't kde take a long time to load?
[12:18] <kakalto> verden01, are you the one from yesterday?
[12:18] <incubii> ggl kubuntu
[12:18] <xamdm> kakalto, kde 3.4 loads faster than gnome2.10 for me
[12:18] <incubii> hrm
[12:18] <Beineri> kakalto: no
[12:18] <incubii> can you enable web shortcuts in xchat ?
[12:18] <verden01> yeah how did your dist-upgrade go?
[12:18] <kakalto> xamdm, okie, interesting
[12:18] <Beineri> incubii: what's xchat? ;-)
[12:18] <closure> xamdm, it does EVERYTHING faster for me
[12:18] <kakalto> verden01, crappy
[12:18] <kakalto> Xorg wouldn't load
[12:18] <closure> incubii, irc client
[12:18] <kakalto> man it was annoying
[12:18] <incubii> haha :P
[12:19] <verden01> hmmm mine went ok
[12:19] <closure> err Beineri
[12:19] <kakalto> so.... what's kde's answer to GIMP?
[12:19] <verden01> kakalto, everything went ok
[12:19] <kakalto> lucky you
[12:19] <closure> kakalto, GIMP
[12:19] <kakalto> KDE's answer to GIMP
[12:19] <Beineri> closure: anything what Konversation cannot do? :-)
[12:19] <verden01> you can use gimp if youhave kde installed
[12:19] <closure> kakalto, GIMP == GTK
[12:20] <Beineri> closure: and one needs
[12:20] <xamdm> there was a project that trys to build something like gimp for kde, how was it called, can't remember ...
[12:20] <kakalto> you can use kde apps if you have gnome installed
[12:20] <closure> Beineri, i find it to be more comfortable. i'm not satisfied with any irc client in all of Linux however
[12:20] <verden01> yeah
[12:20] <closure> Beineri, i find mIRC to be one hell of a client and xchat comes the closest to it in my oppinion
[12:20] <incubii> does konverstaion support perl scripts ?
[12:21] <kakalto> I'm just wondering if it's ever possible to have either gnome or kde without hte other
[12:21] <kakalto> apparently not
[12:21] <verden01> apt will install the dependencies required
[12:21] <closure> kakalto, yes it is entirely possible
[12:21] <kakalto> I mean...
[12:21] <closure> kakalto, some apps require libgnome-2.0 or something like that
[12:21] <GNAM> possible, but gnome users needs kde programs and kde users needs gnome programs
[12:21] <closure> but it's only a 26 meg file
[12:21] <verden01> i have kubuntu and its only kde
[12:21] <incubii> firefox requires gnome
[12:21] <kakalto> KDE always has better apps than gnome does
[12:22] <kakalto> but GNOME has better apps than kde
[12:22] <closure> and as opposed to having the 385 full desktop
[12:22] <incubii> but i prefer konqueror anyway when i use linux
[12:22] <incubii> :D
[12:22] <verden01> its the same as what model car do you like
[12:22] <closure> kakalto, all you need is libgnome2.0
[12:22] <verden01> or what browser do you like
[12:22] <kakalto> verden01, you gotta have subaru side-skirts on your mazda? I know
[12:22] <xamdm> :-)
[12:22] <verden01> i like kde instead of gnome but istill use gnome programs
[12:22] <kakalto> closure, but I find it a bit silly how ya have to have a bit of both
[12:23] <verden01> :-)
[12:23] <Beineri> Current Weather for Berlin-Tempelhof : Few clouds at 822 meters, Broken clouds at 1341 meters, Temperature: 12C, Pressure: 1000 hPa, Wind: 16 km/h WSW
[12:23] <Beineri> Current Weather for Berlin-Tegel : Scattered clouds at 762 meters, Scattered clouds at 1463 meters, Temperature: 12C, Pressure: 1000 hPa, Wind: 24 km/h WNW
[12:23] <closure> kakalto, why? that's the beauty of it you have two desktops in one?
[12:23] <closure> kakalto, more freedom
[12:23] <xamdm> if u use xfce u have something of all three :-)
[12:23] <Beineri> incubii: looks like it support Perl scripts ;-)
[12:23] <incubii> well im sure you could construct an entire KDE desktop with no gnome at all but it would probably be a lil empty
[12:23] <kakalto> closure, more freedom, more apps... more loading time
[12:23] <closure> kakalto, not really more loading time
[12:23] <incubii> like somethign was missing
[12:24] <closure> kakalto, not even more apps just strip down to bare minimum
[12:24] <closure> kakalto, build from there only have the apps you want
[12:24] <incubii> if you wanted that youd use something liek gentoo
[12:24] <incubii> minus the compile time
[12:24] <kakalto> I'd love to make my own little customisation, with many apps removed, only the bare minimums, but it takes heeeeeaps of work
[12:25] <closure> kakalto, i got mine running in about 2 days and i've never constructed a linux desktop
[12:25] <closure> i can tell you how to do it now in a matter of a couple hours
[12:26] <kakalto> incubii, I've done gentoo before
[12:26] <closure> i just went through and figured it out
[12:26] <kakalto> but it didn't support my sound device :(
[12:26] <kakalto> so I ditched it for ubuntu
[12:26] <closure> kakalto, what didnt'?
[12:26] <incubii> gentoo doesnt like my G4
[12:26] <kakalto> gentoo
[12:26] <incubii> so i went to kubuntu
[12:26] <incubii> :D
[12:26] <incubii> mainly cause i am a debian boy and sarge wasnt cutting the mustard
[12:26] <closure> oh gentoo supports evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverything you just have the knowledge to build your own shit
[12:26] <incubii> needed something now
[12:27] <xamdm> closure, so every disto supports everything ;-)
[12:27] <closure> xamdm, yeah just a matter of ease
[12:28] <kakalto> closure, no, my sound device wasn't supported. there was quite a few people with the problem, and none got it fixed
[12:28] <kakalto> maybe they've fixed it by now
[12:28] <kakalto> but they hadn't with an earlier 2004 version
[12:28] <xamdm> kakalto, maybe compile alsa from source ??
[12:28] <kakalto> I might have tried that
[12:28] <kakalto> I tried heaps of stuff
[12:29] <kakalto> and nothing worked
[12:29] <incubii> doesnt matter now kakalto you have a working system :)
[12:29] <xamdm> yes ubuntu / kubuntu is great
[12:30] <kakalto> yeah
[12:30] <kakalto> I'm looking forward to xubuntu
[12:30] <blacklabel> are there are distros of linux that will work on a 486?
[12:30] <kakalto> xfce :D
[12:30] <incubii> i tried ubuntu since i hadnt used gnome since 1.0 and i must say 2.10 to me was still no improvement
[12:30] <kakalto> blacklabel, slackware?
[12:30] <closure> kakalto, what's xubuntu?
[12:30] <GNAM> auauuaua
[12:30] <kakalto> xfce ubuntu
[12:30] <incubii> yeah xfce latest would be nice
[12:30] <kakalto> like kde ubuntu (kubuntu)
[12:30] <blacklabel> kakalto: i dunno im asking you
[12:30] <closure> hrm
[12:30] <GNAM> i'm looking forward to a merge ubuntu-kubuntu
[12:31] <closure> what's xfce?
[12:31] <kakalto> blacklabel, I'm not a guru
[12:31] <kakalto> closure, it's a great inteface
[12:31] <incubii> dont merge keep seperate
[12:31] <closure> GNAM, there should simply be an option of what desktop to install
[12:31] <kakalto> very slim
[12:31] <GNAM> yes closure
[12:31] <xamdm> xfce4.2 is great, but i like kde3.4 more
[12:31] <kakalto> ohk
[12:31] <GNAM> i don't understand two distros
[12:31] <kakalto> the only difference is interface (KDE or GNOME)
[12:32] <kakalto> and, of course, all the applications that are supported on them
[12:32] <closure> GNAM, nor do i. it's understandable to offer a disk offering one or the other. and i guess that's what they're doing. but why not have a disk that is just ubuntu base and you build from there
[12:32] <incubii> mergining would make it more then 1 cd
[12:32] <xamdm> its just a difference in the default-installation, u can intall ubuntu-desktop in kubuntu and it is ubuntu ...
[12:33] <Alex_Palex> Hi
[12:33] <kakalto> I think kde reminds me too much of windows
[12:33] <kakalto> which is why I don't like it
[12:33] <kakalto> gives me a sense of insecurity
[12:33] <LadyRoot> what prefix is needed to compile anything for kde? meant the one that in all other dostros is /opt/kde ?
[12:33] <xamdm> lde = Windows??, no
[12:33] <xamdm> kde
[12:33] <incubii> i think windows reminds me too much of KDE
[12:33] <closure> incubii, well if you notice on your install if you set up a network it auto apt-get updates so it gets a bunch of shit online. imo they should get everything online and you select the desktop then
[12:33] <incubii> :D
[12:33] <closure> ummm
[12:33] <closure> did anybody see that cardinal's face?
[12:33] <incubii> and why i love KDE and not windows
[12:34] <kakalto> incubii, sadly, windows came first, atleast for me :(
[12:34] <LadyRoot> closure, which one's?
[12:34] <incubii> yes and that shit pisses me off closure cause im on 28.8kb dialup
[12:34] <closure> LadyRoot, the one at the altar
[12:34] <LadyRoot> Ratzinger's?
[12:34] <xamdm> kakalto, not everything from windows is bad
[12:34] <incubii> there should be an option not to do that cause when im not connected it takes even longer to time out then it does to update
[12:34] <closure> incubii, yeah that's why most distro's do not offer that but i think offering it as an option would be nice
[12:34] <kakalto> xamdm, no, the games are great
[12:34] <kakalto> the security is the crap point
[12:35] <kakalto> otherwise I probably wouldn't be here
[12:35] <closure> LadyRoot, did he not look posessed?
[12:35] <xamdm> kakalto, and the stability ...
[12:35] <Beineri> kakalto: can you plesae stop your FUD (starts slow, is insecure)?
[12:35] <incubii> there should also be an option to enter the proxy address if you have one. debian sarge has that but the ubuntu/kubuntu installer does not
[12:35] <incubii> other then that everything is cool
[12:35] <incubii> :D
[12:35] <verden01> if i have just finished a dist-upgrade does that mean i have the final release of Hoary?
[12:35] <xamdm> is ther a software like vmware which support Direct3d ??
[12:36] <incubii> wine
[12:36] <kakalto> Beineri, I think that I shouldn't have to go out and buy $$$'s worth of security stuff just for my computer to work as it should
[12:36] <xamdm> no, i wont to run a complete windows in a m
[12:36] <incubii> well more to the point wineX
[12:36] <LadyRoot> closure, perhaps, but he is the one told he'll be the next pope
[12:36] <incubii> oh
[12:36] <closure> LadyRoot, that's my point
[12:36] <kakalto> who was it that wanted to know about xfce?
[12:36] <kakalto> or didn't know what it was?
[12:36] <Beineri> kakalto: you don't have to. That's your FUD.
[12:36] <kakalto> Beineri, I've had too many virii & adware/spyware
[12:37] <verden01> kakalto, do youhave xfce installed?
[12:37] <kakalto> yeah
[12:37] <verden01> whats it like
[12:37] <Beineri> kakalto: with Linux and especially KDE, sure
[12:37] <kakalto> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=297&slide=5&title=xfce+4.2.0+screenshots <---- xfce screenshots?
[12:37] <kakalto> mine looks different, but still
[12:38] <incubii> i just want composite windows to work without crashing with DRI accel
[12:38] <kakalto> Beineri, kde isn't bad
[12:38] <incubii> :D
[12:38] <incubii> on my radeon 9000
[12:38] <kakalto> I don't think it is
[12:38] <kakalto> I think it's quite good, it doesn't match my personal tastes, but it's good
[12:43] <kakalto> anyways, I might try out kubuntu-desktop when I finish downloading ubuntu hoary and install it
[12:43] <kakalto> I better have a good look at kde 3.4
[12:43] <Verwilst> yoyo
[12:44] <Verwilst> but my konqueror icons are huge $
[12:44] <Verwilst> :$
[12:44] <Verwilst> known bug? :p
[12:44] <kakalto> heya
[12:44] <kakalto> Beineri, sorry if I offended you.
[12:45] <verden01> kakalto, if youhave ubuntu hoary yucan apt-get kubuntu-desktop and have both kde and gnome on the same distro
[12:45] <closure> damnit!
[12:45] <closure> synaptic just crashed
[12:45] <kakalto> verden01, that's what I'm planning
[12:45] <incubii> pwned
[12:45] <verden01> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:45] <incubii> sif use synaptic
[12:45] <verden01> cool
[12:45] <incubii> :P
[12:45] <incubii> apt-get does everything you need
[12:45] <kakalto> lol
[12:45] <Verwilst> kubuntu has only few packages :$
[12:46] <Verwilst> no nuvola icons, no dejavu, .. :$
[12:46] <Beineri> kakalto: yes, please try kubuntu-desktop. It's only about 120MB additional download if I'm not mistaken
[12:46] <kakalto> you know what happens when you select all the packages in synaptic, then click "mark for installation*
[12:46] <closure> would have crashed too i'llb et
[12:46] <closure> damnit
[12:46] <closure> oh well reboot try again with apt-get
[12:46] <closure> brb
[12:46] <verden01> Verwilst, you can use apt to get the rest of the packages you need
[12:46] <kakalto> Beineri, I'll be sure to have a look, and mess around with the settings, hopefully to my liking :D
[12:46] <kakalto> hmm?
[12:46] <kakalto> anyone?
[12:47] <incubii> remember Verwilst , this is the first release of kubuntu
[12:47] <kakalto> ( to my earlier question)
[12:47] <Beineri> Verwilst: novola is in universe iirc
[12:47] <incubii> it can only get better
[12:47] <incubii> :D
[12:47] <verden01> kakalto, it installs the packages you marked
[12:47] <kakalto> no...
[12:47] <verden01> ??
[12:47] <hunger> incubii: What makes you say so? There are enough ways to mess up a good distri;-)
[12:47] <kakalto> when you select all the packages in synaptic, then click "mark for installation", it takes about 20-30minutes to register that you've marked them all, and figure out that it's not possible :P
[12:48] <verden01> oh
[12:48] <incubii> cause if it dont get better ill switch linspire and encourage everyone to use it
[12:48] <xamdm> cool, there is also a dvd-image available
[12:49] <verden01> anyone tried the latest simplymepis?
[12:49] <kakalto> xamdm, I noticed that
[12:49] <kakalto> what's with that?
[12:49] <xamdm> its liveCD and install in one
[12:49] <incubii> i was using promepis for a while
[12:49] <verden01> cool is it as good as kubuntu?
[12:50] <hunger> Where can I get codecs and stuff for DVD playback?
[12:50] <incubii> almost
[12:50] <Pointwood> anyone able to tell me why I don't have the right character encoding in Konsole?
[12:50] <incubii> apt-get install libdvdcss2
[12:50] <incubii> oh wait no u cant do that
[12:50] <verden01> i have kubuntu AMD64 and i don't think mepis has a 64bit version
[12:50] <incubii> goto VLCs website and get the code from there and compile it
[12:50] <Pointwood> I can use the special danish characters everywhere else, but not in the terminal :(
[12:51] <incubii> change the settings ?
[12:51] <xamdm> Pointwood, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/libdvdcss2_1.2.8-1_i386.deb
[12:52] <xamdm> Pointwood, with that xine ore mplay ore totem... should play any DVD :-)
[12:52] <kakalto> yup
[12:52] <kakalto> xine-ui seems quite good for dvd's
[12:52] <Pointwood> I tried changing the encoding under settings/encoding, but that doesn't change anything :(
[12:52] <Pointwood> xamdm: I wasn't the one asking for that ;)
[12:53] <xamdm> Pointwood, dpkg-reconfigue locales, maybe
[12:53] <xamdm> Pointwood, sry
[12:53] <Elsidox> has anyone gotten pearpc to run on kubuntu/ubuntu?
[12:53] <Pointwood> np :)
[12:53] <kakalto> Elsidox, is that the one similar to CherryOS?
[12:53] <xamdm> hunger, look what i posted to Pointwood
[12:53] <incubii> dont need pearpc im already on ppc so i use mol
[12:53] <incubii> :P
[12:53] <incubii> similar to cherryos ?
[12:53] <xamdm> kakalto, :-)
[12:53] <Elsidox> kakalto, cherryOS stold pearpc source code. =)
[12:53] <incubii> cheeryos is pearpc
[12:53] <kakalto> :-)
[12:54] <kakalto> I wondered if anyone would click
[12:54] <xamdm> incubii, they made a GUI :-), damn fools
[12:54] <incubii> curse people and their guis
[12:54] <incubii> is there a ncurses desktop environment ?
[12:54] <Elsidox> but ya has anyone gotten it running?
[12:55] <verden01> just install libdvdcss2 and now my dvd will play  :-)
[12:55] <Pointwood> no change :(
[12:55] <Pointwood> grmbl
[12:55] <Pointwood> oh well, don't have time to fix it now
[12:56] <incubii> lucky you verden01
[12:56] <incubii> dvd playback krashes kde on ppc
[12:56] <incubii> :D
[12:56] <incubii> and then krashes the krash notice
[12:56] <incubii> w00t
[12:56] <kakalto> not cool
[12:56] <kakalto> ?
[12:56] <kakalto> that's cool
[12:56] <kakalto> krashing the krash notice?
[12:56] <verden01> what other dvd players other than kaffine can i use to play dvd's?
[12:57] <incubii> yeah when the notice comes up about something crashing, then another notice comes up about the krash notice krashing
[12:57] <incubii> :D
[12:57] <kakalto> xine-ui, mplayer, totem
[12:57] <incubii> xine-ui, mplayer, vlc
[12:57] <kakalto> although totem's for gtk
[12:57] <verden01> thanks
[12:57] <kakalto> and totem isn't the best
[12:57] <xamdm> kaffeine
[12:57] <verden01> i think i have used xine b4 with other distros
[12:58] <xamdm> kaffeine is a great ui for xine
[12:58] <mchasart> hi i just run kubuntu 5.04 release
[12:58] <Verwilst> kaffeine rocks
[12:58] <mchasart> and i'm surprised that no autorun is here ?
[12:59] <xamdm> hm, i compiled kde-volume-manger from cvs :-), that works great :-)
[12:59] <incubii> kaffeine and amarok
[12:59] <incubii> amarok for your ipod if u have one
[01:00] <verden01> downloading xine-ui now
[01:00] <xamdm> incubii, does it support the ipod shuffle also ??
[01:00] <mchasart> so for the automount ? all my periph are not list in mnt ...exept my usb key
[01:00] <incubii> i wouldnt know i have an ipod mini
[01:01] <incubii> mchasart, goto media://
[01:01] <mchasart> whatabout my fat and ntfs hard disk device ?
[01:01] <incubii> er media:/
[01:02] <mchasart> storage media ?
[01:02] <incubii> yes
[01:02] <mchasart> ok and ?
[01:02] <incubii> well they should be in there
[01:02] <xamdm> mchasart, kde3.4 uses hal and dbus-1, so it doesn't show the partiton names
[01:02] <hunger> Is there a config script for postfix?
[01:03] <mchasart> yes but i can't mount them
[01:03] <incubii> ah yes thats a root thing
[01:03] <hunger> Do I really need to run postfix all the time or can I have it stopped and still deliver mail when enqueuing one with sendmail (like with exim)?
[01:03] <mchasart> i have to put line in fstab ?
[01:03] <incubii> plus i dont think it auto creates the directories
[01:04] <incubii> id would say yes for the moment unless someone smarter knows otherwise
[01:04] <verden01> is there a debian program where i can use my handycam  and do video editing?
[01:04] <incubii> woot apt-get update finished only took 45 mins
[01:04] <incubii> :d
[01:05] <mchasart> so i have to do it as root ?
[01:05] <hunger> verden01: IIRC there is something called kino. Dunno how good it is though.
[01:05] <verden01> k i will try it
[01:08] <Verwilst> kaddressbook: WARNING: KDCOPServiceStarter: No service implementing DCOP/ResourceBackend/IMAP
[01:08] <Verwilst> kresources: ERROR: Couldn't connect to the IMAP resource backend
[01:08] <Verwilst> great :$
[01:11] <closure> oh man that was fun
[01:12] <verden01> what was fun?
[01:13] <kakalto> was that the synaptic thing?
[01:13] <carambol> what is the superserver iam seeing on the screen when rebooting?
[01:14] <closure> kakalto, yeah
[01:14] <closure> had to reboot
[01:14] <closure> the reconfigure the sources
[01:14] <closure> then reboot again
[01:14] <carambol> "Stopping Superserver (ok)"
[01:14] <closure> finally quit giving me errors
[01:15] <kakalto> :(
[01:16] <carambol> What is Superserver?
[01:16] <closure> kakalto, it crashed after configing one thing so it wasn't too bad
[01:16] <kakalto> yeh, I suppose
[01:19] <apokryphos> It's out =)
[01:20] <kakalto> no kiddin'
[01:20] <kakalto> how many hours ago?
[01:20] <hunger> carambol: I'd guess it is refering to inetd, the internet "super server".
[01:20] <apokryphos> Many, actually. Since, anouncement came out at 8:30 -- nearly 4 hours ago.
[01:20] <carambol> do i need it...?
[01:21] <hunger> carambol: Not normally.
[01:21] <verden01> apokryphos, you mean kubuntu final is out?
[01:21] <carambol> ia have no servers
[01:21] <hunger> carambol: By default every service in it is commented out (or so it seems on my system).
[01:21] <apokryphos> Hehe, they didn't change syntax error in "promise of 18 months support." Nevermind; only sticklers like me would notice
[01:21] <apokryphos> verden01: yes! /topic
[01:22] <closure> apokryphos, i don't need to change anything right if i've configed ubuntu + kde already do i?
[01:22] <verden01> so if i have just finished a dist-upgrade does that mean i have the final kubuntu?
[01:22] <carambol> in my sources.list i enabled hoary-updates...is it ok?
[01:22] <closure> apokryphos, are there seperate repositories or anything?
[01:22] <apokryphos> closure: yup, that's it. Seperate repositories for what?
[01:23] <hunger> Is there something like debian/unstable for kubuntu?
[01:23] <closure> apokryphos, for kubuntu
[01:23] <apokryphos> verden01: "yup, that's it" was for you =)
[01:23] <apokryphos> closure: nope, Kubuntu is in Main now
[01:23] <hunger> Or will I have to switch to breezy now and some other strangely-attributed creature later once that is out?
[01:23] <kakalto> hunger, yeah
[01:23] <closure> apokryphos, k
[01:23] <verden01> cool :-)
[01:23] <kakalto> hunger, yeah
[01:24] <kakalto> but breezy isn't out yet
[01:24] <apokryphos> hunger: yeah, but not for some time yet
[01:24] <kakalto> I don' think
[01:24] <apokryphos> closure: you might want to do a dist-upgrade soon if you haven't done one in some time, so you'll be running kubuntu official
[01:24] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hey
[01:24] <apokryphos> ztonzy: mornin'
[01:25] <ztonzy> I wonder , does Live CD for Kubuntu work with USB now ?
[01:25] <ztonzy> it didnt before
[01:25] <apokryphos> No idea
[01:25] <apokryphos> it really should...
[01:25] <hunger> How do I find out which version I am on?
[01:25] <hunger> I only find /etc/debian_version:-)
[01:26] <apokryphos> cat /etc/issue
[01:26] <thoreauputic> hunger:  cat /etc/issue
[01:26] <ztonzy> bbl
[01:27] <hunger> Nah... I will not have remotely visible hints to the system I am running, so /etc/issue(.net) is cleaned up for a while now;-)
[01:27] <kakalto> hunger, exactly what version are you looking for?
[01:28] <hunger> kakalto: I just wanted to make sure I am on the official hedgehog now.
[01:28] <closure> apokryphos, i did it earlier this morning and all it updated was open office
[01:28] <verden01> kubuntu sure is fast on my AMD64 :-)
[01:28] <apokryphos> closure: did you do an upgrade recently? There was a freeze period where nothing new went in...
[01:28] <hunger> kakalto: I assumed there was something like /etc/debian_version for ubuntu.
[01:29] <kakalto> hunger, not sure, I got the xlack extension for xchat, so when I type /xos it shows versions
[01:29] <kakalto> ( Operating System ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Kernel: 2.6.10-5-686 GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Xfce v | IRC CLient: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[01:29] <kakalto> see?
[01:29] <Verwilst> i have 2.6.10-5-386
[01:29] <closure> Reading package lists... Done
[01:29] <closure> Building dependency tree... Done
[01:29] <closure> Calculating upgrade... Done
[01:29] <closure> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:29] <hunger> kakalto: Ah... And where does that info come from?
[01:29] <Verwilst> how do i install the 686 version?
[01:30] <closure> that look right apokryphos?
[01:30] <verden01> kakalto, what command did youdo to get that info?
[01:30] <kakalto> hunger, not sure :P
[01:30] <kakalto> verden01, /xos'
[01:30] <apokryphos> closure: sure :)
[01:30] <verden01> k
[01:30] <closure> lol
[01:30] <closure> ok
[01:30] <kakalto> but you have to have the xlack extension/script in xchat
[01:30] <kakalto> it's /xos without the '
[01:31] <hunger> Ah! /etc/lsb-release seams like the file I am looking for:-)
[01:31] <Alex_Palex> do you know if ubuntu use HOTPLUG for admin the hardware??
[01:32] <kakalto> g'night all
[01:32] <verden01> i get a reply that says no such file or directory
[01:32] <xamdm> kakalto, night ??
[01:32] <carambol> cat /etc/issue
[01:32] <kakalto> xamdm, yup
[01:32] <kakalto> I'm in NZ
[01:32] <kakalto> New Zealand
[01:32] <xamdm> kakalto, ah
[01:32] <hunger> Alex_Palex: Yes and no...
[01:32] <closure> yeah it's 7:32am here >8-P
[01:32] <kakalto> ( Current Time ) Hour: ( 11:32 PM ) Day: ( Friday ) Date: ( April 8 2005 )
[01:33] <verden01> carambol,  thats it
[01:33] <xamdm> kakalto, im in germany here it is 13:30 :-)
[01:33] <closure> funnny how that whole other side of the world thing works
[01:33] <kakalto> hehe
[01:33] <hunger> Alex_Palex: It uses the hotplu scripts, but it is using udevsned to call them.
[01:33] <kakalto> well, good luck to any people upgrading, and to any new users!
[01:33] <carambol> verden01 yeah
[01:33] <hunger> Alex_Palex: Basically all distris using udev do that nowadays.
[01:35] <hunger> For now I only have a rather rudimentary setup and even that took me some days to get right.
[01:35] <hunger> Damn paranoia! Why do I need to encrypt everything all the time;-)
[01:35] <Alex_Palex> oh thankyou
[01:36] <Alex_Palex> I have soem problems with my ADSL modem
[01:36] <Alex_Palex> and the driver requires hotplug
[01:46] <Alex_Palex> hunger: this is the driver configuration page http://accessrunner.sourceforge.net/driver.shtml Can you tell me if that requires HOTPLUG?
[01:48] <hunger> Alex_Palex: No, I can not.
[01:49] <hunger> Alex_Palex: My box is still text-only and I do not feel like braving the WWWaves in links:-)
[01:52] <hunger> Alex_Palex: If there is something about using "modprobe" to load something then you probably do not need hotplug. Otherwise you will. But in any case: You have it when running kubuntu.
[01:53] <hunger> Alex_Palex: Traditionally the kernel calls "/sbin/hotplug" which in turn asks udev to update /dev (firuging out all kinds of stuff), then hotplug figures out the same info that udev already had and calls a couple of scripts in /etc/hotplug.
[01:54] <hunger> Alex_Palex: With Kubuntu the kernel runs /sbin/udevsend which causes udev to update /dev. Afterwards udevsend uses the info from udev to call the necessary scripts in /etc/hotplug directly.
[01:55] <hunger> Alex_Palex: So there is no user noticeable difference between both cases (the latter being a bit faster of course).
[02:00] <carambol> what are the experiences witk konversation?
[02:00] <carambol> is xchat better?
[02:01] <Alex_Palex> hunger: I explain you the situation
[02:01] <Alex_Palex> there is a external firmware
[02:01] <Alex_Palex> that I must load
[02:01] <Alex_Palex> to use my modem
[02:01] <hunger> Alex_Palex: Should work out of the box in kubuntu.
[02:01] <Alex_Palex> The HOW-to says
[02:02] <Alex_Palex> ok
[02:03] <hunger> Alex_Palex: You need to store the firmware in /usr/local/lib/hotplug/firmware (or /lib/hotplug/firmware if you need it during bootup).
[02:03] <Alex_Palex> another question: the kernel-source is included in Installation CD
[02:03] <Alex_Palex> ?
[02:03] <Alex_Palex> ah ok
[02:03] <hunger> Alex_Palex: No idea... Sorry. The headers should be enough I think.
[02:04] <Alex_Palex> no problem
[02:04] <hunger> Alex_Palex: I got them of the net in an upgrade. No idea whether they originally come from the CD or not.
[02:04] <Alex_Palex> I'm going to download the package before begin the installation
[02:04] <Alex_Palex> beacuse
[02:05] <Alex_Palex> I have to recompile the kernel
[02:05] <hunger> Alex_Palex: Why?
[02:05] <Verwilst> lol, kubuntu is the only distro who brings me back to the 90's feeling
[02:05] <Verwilst> moving a window skips the sound :p
[02:05] <hunger> Alex_Palex: Building an additional module should be enough.
[02:05] <Alex_Palex> really?
[02:06] <hunger> Verwilst: NostalgiaLinux(TM) - Bringing the 8bit feeling to any 64bit box near you.
[02:07] <hunger> BRB: Shopping.
[02:08] <Verwilst> goddamn this is annoying
[02:08] <Verwilst> even typing makes the sound skip :p
[02:08] <Verwilst> debian goodness
[02:08] <Alex_Palex> I'm going to install kubuntu.....
[02:11] <hunger> Verwilst: Yes! If it is good: Praise Ubuntu, if it sucks: Curse Debian.
[02:12] <Verwilst> uh? praise ubuntu? :p
[02:13] <Verwilst> and debian _is_ 90's stuff :p
[02:13] <hunger> Verwilst: Arts sucks... don't use it or at least raise its priority.
[02:13] <Verwilst> hunger: arts worked just fine in all the other distro's i use :p
[02:13] <Verwilst> and it has realtime priority
[02:14] <hunger> Verwilst: Even the KDE people realized that... The sound daemon will be completly new in KDE4.
[02:14] <Verwilst> hunger: yeah i know
[02:14] <Verwilst> but it doesn't stutter normally
[02:23] <segfault2k> hi
[02:47] <HavoK> hi there; i'm using warthy updated to hoary; I've apt-got kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-default-settings
[02:48] <HavoK> how can i set the new hoary's default cursor theme?
[02:50] <HavoK> uh, I just had to search in kcontrol. ok, 'nuff said. sorry =)
[02:53] <_P_> uhmmm
[02:53] <_P_> but the  nexr ubuntu  will  be 5.10 ?
[02:54] <_P_> five  is  the  years  and  4  month ?
[02:55] <Alex_Palex> boh
[02:55] <Alex_Palex> that's probably
[03:04] <BlackLabel> hi
[03:26] <BlackLabel> where is everyone
[03:29] <dvoid> installing kibuntu 5.04 ? ;)
[03:29] <dvoid> kubuntu
[03:32] <TechLord_Work> does any one have a mirror the the release that is not being overwhelmed?
[03:33] <seaLne> lo Riddell
[03:34] <apokryphos> TechLord_Work: the torrent :P
[03:34] <TechLord_Work> work doesn't allow torrents
[03:34] <apokryphos> How come? They restrict the port?
[03:34] <seaLne> i've just downloaded the live iso with bittorret and it dosen't match the md5sum or appear to be a valid iso
[03:34] <Alex_Palex> have anybody got the link of the hoary torrent??
[03:34] <TechLord_Work> yea
[03:35] <dvoid> im downloading from the link in the website, not overly fast,,,bout 30k/s
[03:35] <apokryphos> eek
[03:35] <TechLord_Work> i'm getting 16k
[03:35] <apokryphos> Alex_Palex: /topic
[03:35] <apokryphos> TechLord_Work: you could switch the port it uses :P
[03:35] <Alex_Palex> thank you
[03:36] <seaLne> i take it other people have dwnloaded with the torrent and it was fine?
[03:37] <Alex_Palex> Bittorrent is a great P2P program
[03:37] <apokryphos> Azureus is better 8)
[03:39] <Beineri> apokryphos: /. directly links to the se.releases.ubuntu.com ISOs
[03:39] <seaLne> the image that bittorrent has downloaded has an md5 of cd38f98720f8446eb5381371a1aaf41d
[03:40] <apokryphos> Guys I have no idea why it's going slow for you; just started downloading from US mirror and am getting max speed -- around 480 KB/s
[03:41] <apokryphos> Beineri: so something's wrong there..?
[03:41] <Beineri> not good for mirror's health
[03:42] <apokryphos> I did cancel :). US Mirror link is dying randomly though too
[03:42] <apokryphos> (not the download; the page)
[03:44] <apokryphos> 223 peers on torrent.. it'll go fast
[03:45] <Alex_Palex> Apokryphos: but Azareus is based on Java, and Java isn't an OSS.....
[03:46] <apokryphos> Alex_Palex: yes
[03:47] <Alex_Palex> but i hope that java becomes OSS
[03:49] <Verwilst> anybody else's icons are huge in konqueror?
[03:51] <apokryphos> Verwilst: Mine are. By choice, though ;-)
[03:51] <hayden> can anyone help, when i try to access a mounted ntfs partition it says cannot access /media/windows
[03:52] <apokryphos> Verwilst: well, not that big. You can easily change the size by clicking on the maginifying glass toolbars there
[03:53] <TechLord_Work> not sure what happed by the download just took off like a bat out of H***
[03:55] <CellarDoor> hello
[03:56] <Tomcat_> Hi guys... Control Center is stuck on "Loading" when I click on "Administrator Mode" in Network Settings. Known bug?
[03:57] <Alex_Palex> I hope no
[03:58] <CellarDoor> Im thinkin of downloading kubuntu
[03:58] <CellarDoor> do I need any pointers or anythin
[03:58] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: where are you coming from?
[03:59] <CellarDoor> ?
[03:59] <CellarDoor> I was just wondering about kubuntu
[03:59] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what Operating System/Distribution?
[03:59] <CellarDoor> oh
[03:59] <CellarDoor> The distribution formerly known as Mandrake
[03:59] <apokryphos> heh
[04:00] <CellarDoor> before that I used Fedora
[04:00] <CellarDoor> so I feel a bit unsteady
[04:00] <apokryphos> Kubuntu will be slightly different; different package management system (though it uses apt, like Fedora). Repositories are a lot better; most things are done in the same way
[04:00] <CellarDoor> ooh
[04:00] <apokryphos> www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place for pointers. Also, the Wiki: www.ubuntu.com/wiki
[04:00] <Verwilst> apokryphos: lol, stupid me :p
[04:01] <Verwilst> i was clicking the icons in kcontrol like mad :p
[04:01] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: a lot of information and basics on the Ubuntu site; like, what it stands for, what it's based on (Debian) etc.
[04:01] <CellarDoor> ty apokryphos
[04:01] <apokryphos> Verwilst: :)
[04:01] <Verwilst> there are no nuvola icons for kubuntu :$
[04:01] <CellarDoor> Im real impressed they got kde 3.4
[04:02] <apokryphos> Verwilst: it does; they're in Universe.
[04:03] <Verwilst> oh? universe? :)
[04:03] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: pretty much the first distro to do so, too.
[04:03] <CellarDoor> yeah
[04:03] <apokryphos> Verwilst: the "Universe" repository. Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line that has "Universe".
[04:03] <Verwilst> N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED
[04:03] <Verwilst> :p
[04:03] <CellarDoor> its kubuntu using reiser4 ?
[04:04] <Verwilst> universe is the testing repo for kubuntu?
[04:05] <Verwilst> damned, still no dejavu fonts :(
[04:05] <apokryphos> Nah, it's just stuff not "officially supported", really. Only problems I've ever had there is dependency issues -- and that's around 0.5% of the time
[04:06] <hayden> can i apt-get baghira ?
[04:06] <CellarDoor> oooh
[04:06] <apokryphos> hayden: do the search and find out ;-)
[04:06] <apokryphos> (you can)
[04:06] <hayden> i remember i did it with kubuntu rc but i just searched and couldnt find it
[04:07] <apokryphos> you using a Graphical Manager or command-line apt?
[04:07] <hayden> apt
[04:07] <apokryphos> so you're doing sudo apt-cache search baghira?
[04:07] <hayden> yep
[04:07] <apokryphos> Then you don't have Universe repository enabled
[04:07] <hayden> ok
[04:09] <Rickdangerous> you shouldn't need sudo for apt-cache search
[04:09] <apokryphos> Yeah, whoops, out of habit when putting in apt =)
[04:09] <Rickdangerous> yep I see :)
[04:10] <hayden> yea
[04:10] <hayden> i didnt notice that i got the ubuntu cursor instead of the default X one lol
[04:16] <CellarDoor> you guys seem like a nice helpful lot
[04:16] <CellarDoor> :)
[04:17] <Tomcat_> kdesu doesn't seem to work at all here... and I can't even locate the error using the console...
[04:17] <Tomcat_> I click on administrator settings, it asks for my password, then reloads the module and drops me into regular use mode again...
[04:21] <multifasciatus> Can someone please help me setup amarok?
[04:26] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: there's a bug report on that; they're working on it (though I haven't been following lately)
[04:26] <apokryphos> multifasciatus: what's the problem?
[04:27] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: Thanks... I'll see to it. Right now kubuntu is pretty unusable for me...
[04:27] <apokryphos> :(
[04:27] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: kdesu shouldn't be having problems though... I can't say I've seen any really reported
[04:28] <apokryphos> Might be worth trying sudo kcontrol from konsole
[04:29] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: It works about half of the time... and when it doesn't work auth.log shows an authentication error, although I pasted the same password in that worked before. :I
[04:29] <Tomcat_> Mh... okay.
[04:29] <Tomcat_> Yeah sudo kcontrol works great.
[04:30] <hayden> how do i get to the screen in kde that lets me choose how kde acts either like windows or mac os x etc
[04:30] <apokryphos> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/04/08/126242.shtml?tid=109&tid=95&tid=123&tid=219 <-- Microsoft and Open Source :D
[04:31] <apokryphos> hayden: right-click > Configure Desktop > Behaviour
[04:31] <`TUX``> pr0m0t0x
[04:32] <hayden> nah it was a wizard
[04:33] <apokryphos> hayden: you can change all that stuff from kcontrol, but I think you're referring to kpersonalizer
[04:33] <Tomcat_> apokryphos: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8681 <--- In case somebody else comes along, this is the bug
[04:35] <hayden> yep thanks
[04:35] <apokryphos> Tomcat_: ok, cool
[04:38] <StR> kubuntu rulez!!!
[04:38] <StR> gnome is soooo far away!
[04:38] <apokryphos> :P
[04:38] <StR> sorry.. I had to say it...
[04:39] <Beineri> StR: no go tell every GNOME user ;-)
[04:39] <Beineri> now even
[04:40] <CellarDoor> hehe
[04:43] <Beineri> apokryphos: mhm, did you install kde-i18n-de or have German locale selected?
[04:44] <apokryphos> Ah, that'll be it. Tried it out when a user complained it wouldn't install
[04:46] <StR> there are some things that should be proted to kde... like  amule and gimp
[04:48] <apokryphos> StR: work is being done on krita (it's in a testing repository, if you want to try it out)
[04:48] <StR> what is krita?
[04:48] <apokryphos> why use amule when you have limewire? ;-) But would be nice to see a KDE client for gnutella network.
[04:49] <apokryphos> StR: KDE program for Graphical Manipulation.
[04:49] <apokryphos> still "in the making", though work has been done on it for some time
[04:49] <j00z> Anyone having problems with ndiswrapper and K7 kernels?
[04:49] <StR> apokryphos: looks nice
[04:50] <StR> what else should be ported?  we need a  kamule
[04:51] <buz> apokryphos: have you got the url to that rep with krita?
[04:51] <apokryphos> buz: yes; well, all of latest koffice. Motaboy's repo: deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu-experimental/ ./
[04:54] <Beineri> StR: http://www.koffice.org/krita/ - should have its first release with KOffice 1.4 in two months
[04:54] <StR> Beineri: nice...
[04:55] <buz> mhh
[04:55] <buz> will check
[04:57] <StR> but for amule there is nothing for kde, right?
[04:57] <StR> ... only the kmldonkey
[04:57] <StR> but I don't trust it..
[04:58] <apokryphos> does amule run on its own network?
[04:58] <apokryphos> apollon runs on a few networks...
[05:01] <buz> yeah krita looks like one could actually use it
[05:02] <buz> not like gimp
[05:02] <buz> sort of like paintshop for kde
[05:02] <buz> which is good enough for me
[05:05] <Beineri> buz: exactly :-)
[05:18] <buz> is there anyway to get kaffeine to use mplayer as engine?
[05:19] <CellarDoor> hmm
[05:19] <CellarDoor> I don't think so
[05:19] <CellarDoor> but Im no expert dats for sure
[05:26] <sjmorgan> does anyone know where the defaulit desktop background is specified?
[05:26] <sjmorgan> or have a rough idea
[05:27] <sjmorgan> default
[05:27] <apokryphos>  /usr/share/wallpapers I believe
[05:28] <sjmorgan> so if you start up the control center without having specified a background, it'll use a setting from there?
[05:29] <apokryphos> The defautl is /usr/share/wallpapers/kubuntu-wallpaper.svgz yes
[05:29] <apokryphos> *default
[05:29] <buz> WTF my mplayer wants to use /dev/3dfx
[05:29] <sjmorgan> ok cool thanks
[05:34] <faked_> hi, I just installed egroupware. how can I access egroupware through a webbrowser? I couldn?t find I dir. in /var/www/??
[05:35] <`TUX``> ok
[05:35] <`TUX``> 60 kb/s upload  bittorrent kubuntu  for  3  days :)
[05:36] <`TUX``> just a  drop  but  it is  all  i can  do  for  the  project
[05:36] <apokryphos> :)
[05:36] <apokryphos> Are you uploading the official now?
[05:36] <`TUX``> yes
[05:37] <apokryphos> cool
[05:37] <buz> yeah ubuntu is on /.
[05:38] <`TUX``> the  power if  bittorrent i like it
[05:38] <`TUX``> *of
[05:41] <libben> whats the diffrence between kubuntu and ubuntu? just kde?
[05:41] <apokryphos> Pretty much, yes. Kubuntu comes with KDE as the default DE.
[05:41] <`TUX``> libben: kde plus  some artwork
[05:42] <CellarDoor> 27% downloaded
[05:42] <`TUX``> kdm  instead of  gdm , different  desktop , splash screen  kaffeine and not totem
[05:43] <libben> kaffeine is mediaplayer?
[05:43] <libben> will it play as default?
[05:43] <CellarDoor> yeh like totem
[05:43] <buz> can i get kaffeine to play rm streams?
[05:43] <`TUX``> kaffeine plays all  xine  and  mplayer  can  play
[05:44] <buz> says cook.so.6 not found
[05:44] <CellarDoor> I should have my kubuntu iso downloaded in a couple of hours :D
[05:44] <buz> upon oppening rm stream
[05:44] <Epicenter> Hello, I was wondering perhaps someone could help me out with something? ...
[05:44] <Epicenter> I got this new Hedgehog 5.something build of Kubuntu and when I try to run the i386 or AMD64 liveCDs I get 2 distint problems.
[05:44] <Epicenter> On the AMD64 one, the system stops responding at trying to read the hardware clock
[05:44] <Epicenter> I read a thread about it and saw no fix.
[05:44] <Epicenter> On the i386 front, X comes up and it's all vertical colored lines. I can move the mouse and see different corruption or kill X but no output
[05:44] <Epicenter> appears and I can't find the problem. None of this happens in Debian. My hardware is an Athlon 64, Chaintech VNF3-250 board (socket 754, nforce 3),
[05:44] <Epicenter> and an XFX 6600GT on AGP.
[05:44] <Epicenter> (ack)
[05:44] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: slow connection? :P
[05:44] <CellarDoor> adsl
[05:44] <Epicenter> I cannot explain any of this at all .. everyone else seems to just grab the CDs and run with it. No such luck for me.
[05:45] <CellarDoor> 256k I think
[05:45] <apokryphos> ok
[05:46] <CellarDoor> Epicenter, don't ya just hate that :P
[05:46] <Epicenter> yes. :(
[05:46] <Epicenter> and no one even replies to me.. :(
[05:46] <Epicenter> On the forums or here, or #ubuntu
[05:46] <CellarDoor> yeh sorry I can't help, iyam a n00b with no idea
[05:46] <Epicenter> everyone is just talking about how to torrent the magical new build :(
[05:47] <Beineri> Epicenter: live-cd and X developers more likely hang around in #ubuntu than here :-)
[05:47] <Epicenter> I am trying both
[05:47] <Epicenter> no one so much as says Hi to me there hwhen I ask
[05:47] <Beineri> Epicenter: then everyone is partying. they will read lists/bugzilla when they are alive again.
[05:48] <CellarDoor> yeh thats the downside of haveing 400 people all in one channel at once
[05:48] <Epicenter> one problem is a reported bug and no one seems to be dealing with it
[05:48] <Epicenter> or even acknowledging it
[05:48] <vrln> Epicenter: what graphics card do you have?
[05:48] <vrln> if it's an nvidia or ati one, try the binary (closed source) drivers
[05:48] <Epicenter> XFX 6600GT
[05:48] <Epicenter> well, this is the liveCD, I'm trying to just get into it and explore the package system
[05:48] <vrln> that should work perfectly with nvidias own closed source drivers
[05:48] <Epicenter> not to do GL or anything
[05:49] <vrln> the nv driver is a bit flakey on modern cards
[05:49] <vrln> at least used to be
[05:49] <Epicenter> I'm unclear how to put a custom driver in a Live CD easly :(
[05:49] <Epicenter> it worked for me before
[05:54] <nakata> does anybody know where the amaroK codecs would be for MP3 playage?
[06:07] <rzei> do i now apt-get dist-upgrade from 5.04 preview or just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
[06:07] <rzei> i think i even need to set up a new account to see what you guys decided after all..
[06:08] <Beineri> rzei: dist-upgrade imo
[06:08] <BamaJank> If you are using preview, and it was up to date, would there be any need to check?
[06:08] <dvoid> hum i just tried kubuntu (5.04) live cd  , and it crashed when starting X  . i have a geforece 6800 le ,, known issue?
[06:09] <rzei> BamaJank: no i haven't updated this for a while, not after last kde update had me reset all kicker
[06:10] <BamaJank> Yeah, I just checked and I am fully up to date, so was curious as to if that would even be necessary :-)
[06:10] <BamaJank> and I had preview installed, just last night
[06:20] <buz> anyone ever tried ie 6 in wine? (don't ask, just don't)
[06:21] <spiral> hi
[06:22] <loren> hi
[06:22] <loren> i've installed wine
[06:22] <loren> but not IE6
[06:22] <buz> seems like there's ain installer for it
[06:22] <buz> http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html
[06:22] <loren> microsoft is now checking to see if it's running on Wine so i dont know if it'll work correctly
[06:22] <loren> they're jerks
[06:24] <spiral> is there somewhere I can find a dvd iso image from kubuntu hoary final ?
[06:29] <loren> spiral: uhm, not sure, i thought they only did it by having one cd, but they might have dvd iso's with all the packages, uhm yeah
[06:29] <loren> lol, i know nothing
[06:33] <closure> ok
[06:33] <closure> anybody around?
[06:34] <closure> i got a duesie of a question for you
[06:34] <nakata> nein.
[06:34] <nakata> is it about a woodchuck?
[06:34] <nakata> because if it is, we've heard it
[06:34] <closure> well sort of
[06:34] <closure> i have an RCA out on my computer right
[06:34] <nakata> video?
[06:34] <closure> yeah
[06:35] <closure> when ubuntu boots
[06:35] <closure> it is fine
[06:35] <closure> i can see the text on the tv
[06:35] <nakata> okayx0r...
[06:35] <closure> when KDM loads the video fucks up
[06:35] <nakata> but not in x
[06:35] <nakata> yeah, bad vidmode
[06:35] <closure> my guess is this is because of the resolution change
[06:35] <closure> what do you mean?
[06:35] <nakata> yeah, you have to run at i think 30Hz, or whatever NTSC is
[06:36] <nakata> the TV is super-low resolution/refreshrate, your monitor is high/fast
[06:36] <closure> hrmmmmmm
[06:36] <closure> cause it worked fine with win blows
[06:36] <nakata> i suggest you turn the monitor off, reboot, and let X figure out your TV settings
[06:36] <closure> well it's a laptop so i can't really do that >8-/
[06:36] <nakata> it works fine in linux too, if you want to get technical
[06:37] <nakata> trouble is, well, it depends what you want to do
[06:37] <closure> yeah but what i'm saying is my vid settings were the same as far as i know
[06:37] <nakata> your TV refresh is likely incorrect
[06:37] <nakata> and/or the computer is trying to use the same settings as your monitor...
[06:37] <closure> i think it does
[06:37] <spiral> loren: thanks for your quite definite answer :-p
[06:37] <closure> but with windows it didn't matter
[06:37] <closure> i'm not sure
[06:38] <closure> i'll try change the rate
[06:38] <closure> see if that works
[06:38] <nakata> windows doesn't *let* you specify a rate
[06:38] <nakata> you use what it tells you to :\
[06:38] <zane> is there an easy way to upgrade to the latest version of kubuntu from the preview version?or should i download the iso image and do it the old fashioned way?
[06:38] <closure> yes it does
[06:38] <nakata> oh, i think it gives a range now
[06:38] <nakata> doesn't it?
[06:38] <closure> yeah
[06:38] <closure> you can select
[06:38] <closure> you've been able to since like 95
[06:38] <nakata> ahhh, they've been coming along then
[06:38] <closure> lol
[06:41] <closure> nakata where is that setting at
[06:41] <nakata> in your x config
[06:42] <nakata> -> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:42] <closure> there's somewhere to set it in KDE though
[06:42] <nakata> ....uh
[06:42] <closure> in kontrol center
[06:42] <nakata> how long have you used linux?
[06:43] <nakata> userland gear like the kde res switcher and so on, they don't actually *change* anything
[06:43] <nakata> in regards to how the setup is configured physically
[06:43] <nakata> all things X must be modified by hand in the config by root
[06:43] <nakata> or, well, whatever configurator.
[06:44] <nakata> sorry, i don't mean to offend
[06:44] <nakata> buuuuuut, well, yeah you can't set res in kde
[06:44] <nakata> or refresh rate
[06:44] <nakata> you can just pick which one of the configured resolutions to use
[06:44] <nakata> in your case
[06:44] <nakata> you need to add another screen entry
[06:45] <closure> right
[06:46] <closure> well there is no refresh rate
[06:46] <nakata> for starters
[06:46] <closure> what do i need to add?
[06:46] <nakata> what kind of card is it?
[06:46] <closure> seems to be an ATI Rage Mobility
[06:46] <closure> that's what it's saying
[06:46] <nakata> makes sense...
[06:46] <nakata> i've only set it up with nvidia cards
[06:47] <nakata> i suggest looking for a howto now
[06:47] <nakata> they'll supply the correct settings for the x configuration file
[06:47] <nakata> (they'll say xf86config, just pretend they said xorg.conf :)
[06:47] <closure> how do i set up the display for console?
[06:47] <closure> i'm going to try that idea
[06:47] <closure> just for shits and giggles
[06:48] <nakata> hrm?
[06:48] <closure> console
[06:48] <closure> how do i set the display there?
[06:48] <closure> the parameters
[06:49] <closure> like 1024x780
[06:49] <nakata> sorry i don't follow you
[06:49] <nakata> you want to set the resolution of your console?
[06:49] <closure> yes
[06:49] <nakata> as in, the framebuffer resolution?
[06:49] <nakata> ah, that would be done in the bootloader
[06:49] <nakata> i use vga=731 personally
[06:49] <Beineri> spiral: there are DVD snapshots, "official" DVD images should be uploaded later/tomorrow
[06:49] <nakata> nice and roomy
[06:50] <closure> yeah i want 1024x780
[06:50] <spiral> Beineri: all right.... I shall wait till then
[06:50] <closure> the same as my x
[06:50] <nakata> well, then do it
[06:52] <closure> i am asking where i set that
[06:53] <jayavarman> Hello all, the kubuntu-5.04-install-amd64.jigdo has this line which stops it from working: Template=hoary-install-amd64.template
[06:54] <jayavarman> anyone knows if it is ok to change that line to the real name of the template?
[06:56] <closure> ok here's a way to solve this easily
[06:56] <closure> is there a console based video player?
[06:57] <nakata> closure: mplayer and xine can do it
[06:57] <nakata> i know xine can do ascii, anyway.
[06:57] <closure> i tried to run xine
[06:57] <nakata> mplayer can use svgalib
[06:57] <closure> hrm
[06:59] <Verwilst> there is no win32 codecs pkg for ubuntu?
[07:00] <Verwilst> or libdcss pr whatever its called
[07:01] <nakata> nah, they assume everybody's american.
[07:01] <nakata> and/or owned by a company.
[07:02] <bhna> has anybody Probs with media:/ folder? the folder is empty.
[07:02] <nakata> i go wrook
[07:03] <bhna> there are no effects after plugin an usb-device or inserting an cd
[07:03] <nakata> ah, did you install all the kfile/kio plugins
[07:03] <bhna> nakata: yes. a have a new kubuntu-release installation
[07:04] <bhna> nakata: real fresh
[07:06] <nakata> still flipping around huh?
[07:06] <nakata> yeah, i've had probs with it actually
[07:06] <nakata> missing codecs and such
[07:06] <nakata> i haven't had any problems with *most* kio related stuff
[07:07] <nakata> my subversion kio is dead though
[07:08] <bhna> the media-folder is empty after the firefox ant gtk installation
[07:10] <nakata> ooh rough
[07:12] <bhna> any solutions?
[07:12] <_ReDRuM_> to what?
[07:12] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: my media-folder prob
[07:13] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: the folder is empty no usb-device no cdroms ...
[07:13] <_ReDRuM_> oh sure
[07:14] <_ReDRuM_> open up a terminal
[07:14] <_ReDRuM_> and do ls -l /media
[07:14] <_ReDRuM_> see whats in there first just to check its missing links problem not kde problem
[07:14] <_ReDRuM_> hi unik
[07:14] <unik> hello.
[07:15] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: cdrom cdrom0 cdrom1 floppy floppy0
[07:15] <_ReDRuM_> unik: got any recommendations for creating VPN with mac os and windows?
[07:15] <unik> _ReDRuM_: can you use openvpn on macos?
[07:16] <unik> openvpn rocks.
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> ill check it out
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> unik: trying to help bhna here - theres no reason you cant just put stuff in mtab to fix broken media:// is there?
[07:16] <unik> anyone know if/how you can remove the names from the nicklist in konversation?
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> or better yet - you do it since you so slickly helped that guy the other day :D
[07:16] <unik> I wouldn't put it in mtab..
[07:16] <unik> you can put it in fstab.
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> i meant fstab
[07:16] <unik> what's the problem?
[07:16] <_ReDRuM_> typo :)
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> he says theres nothing in there at all
[07:17] <unik> ahh.. fstab?
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> but there's stuff in console
[07:17] <unik> sounds bad.
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> in media://
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> figured he's missing fstab entries?
[07:17] <unik> ahh.. well.. maybe.
[07:17] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: ok ... do you know what device your cdrom is supposed to be?
[07:18] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: yes i know
[07:18] <_ReDRuM_> whats it supposed to be?
[07:18] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: dev/hdc
[07:18] <_ReDRuM_>  /dev/hd?
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> ok quick test to check everythings ok, stick a cd in there...
[07:19] <unik> ahh.. optical device..
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom
[07:19] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: ok is in there
[07:19] <_ReDRuM_> see if it that gives any error
[07:20] <bhna> _ReDRuM_:  no errors
[07:20] <unik> you can put entries for the (cd|dvd)rom into fstab.. if it's not already there..
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> ok then sudo umount /mnt/cdrom
[07:20] <unik> you can check if it appears in media:/
[07:20] <_ReDRuM_> unik, just testing it to see its the right drive :)
[07:21] <unik> before you unmount
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> oh
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> cool
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: type the first command again :P (hit up a couple of times)
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> and then see if your cdrom appeared in media:/
[07:21] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: yes it appears in media ;-)
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> sweet.
[07:21] <unik> then it's something wrong with your automount-stuff..
[07:21] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: whats the prob?
[07:21] <_ReDRuM_> unik: he cant just put proper entry in fstab?
[07:21] <unik> sure.
[07:22] <unik> or even better.. make automounting-stuff work.
[07:22] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: its a clean and fresh installation with firefox
[07:22] <_ReDRuM_> unik: ... i dont know anything about auto-mounts i just use mount commands in console so you'll have to help him with that :)
[07:22] <Roey> Hello gentlemen
[07:23] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: i havend probs bfore firefox-installtion
[07:23] <bhna> _ReDRuM_:  *before
[07:23] <unik> hello roey.
[07:23] <_ReDRuM_> unik: just add auto to options in fstab?
[07:23] <unik> you'll have to hold on for a few min guys.. got a phonecall i'll have to answer.
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> unik: ok
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: type this - grep ^\/dev\/hdc /etc/fstab
[07:24] <_ReDRuM_> that should tell you if theres anything already in your fstab file for your cdrom drive
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> searches for /dev/hdc at the beginning of a line
[07:25] <_ReDRuM_> what did it come back with?
[07:25] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[07:26] <Roey> unik, crimsun, haggai: heya.  I put up a writeup of things that I had difficulty with in Ubuntu/Kubuntu-x86_64 over on Slashdot (http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145437&cid=12176562)
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> bhna: ok then sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> go down to the line that starts with /dev/hdc
[07:26] <_ReDRuM_> and change noauto to auto
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> save it, make sure you have done - sudo umount /mnt/cdrom
[07:27] <_ReDRuM_> pop the disk out, stick it back in, and it should appear in media i think. if it doesn't you will have to wait for unik as i do not use automounts and media folders ;)
[07:28] <unik> Roey, great  thanks for feedback.
[07:28] <unik> +,
[07:28] <_ReDRuM_> sorry, that should have been sudo umount /media/cdrom
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> unik - does he need to do anything other than put auto in fstab to make it automount?
[07:29] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: ok fine it works ;-)
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> bhna - cool.
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> now what was your other device, a usb?
[07:29] <_ReDRuM_> do you know what device name it's supposed to be?
[07:29] <mmpf> hi@all
[07:30] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: /dev/sda1
[07:30] <mmpf> has someone this cymotion master linux-keybord running?
[07:30] <Roey> unik, crimsun, haggai:  I think I'll post these up on the bug list that a replying post suggested.
[07:30] <unik> Roey: nice.
[07:30] <mmpf> i can't get the software installed :(
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> bhna - what did  you format it as, anything yet?
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> (windows, reiser, etc)
[07:31] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: vfat
[07:31] <_ReDRuM_> ok, then sudo nano /etc/fstab again
[07:32] <_ReDRuM_> is there anything in there starting with /dev/sda1 ?
[07:32] <Roey> unik:  honestly, it's been hell these past four/five weeks.
[07:32] <Roey> unik:  I feel like amd64 is really constrainting
[07:32] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: no
[07:32] <Roey> unik:  constraining even.
[07:32] <unik> Roey: hah.. I use amd64 myself.. I don't have problems at all :)
[07:32] <bhna> i think pmount should insert this line?
[07:33] <unik> I miss some of the win32 codecs for mplayer.. that's all.
[07:33] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: i think pmount should insert thsi line?
[07:33] <_ReDRuM_> bhna, ok then add a line that looks like this "/dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat rw,user,auto 0 0"
[07:33] <unik> _ReDRuM_: not needed.. afaik.
[07:33] <_ReDRuM_> bhna - no idea... my linux usage is very antiquated -  this will work but there is probably a prettier way to do it
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> unik - you tell him the right way then :)
[07:34] <bhna> _ReDRuM_: it works just fine now
[07:34] <unik> bhna: check in control center - KDE components - Services (or something.. translated from norwegian on the fly)... Look for KDED media something..
[07:34] <unik> make sure it's activated. :)
[07:34] <_ReDRuM_> bhna - oh. so your all good? cool.
[07:35] <_ReDRuM_> funny cause you didn't make a mount pount for the usb drive but so long as it works :D
[07:36] <bhna> unik: kded media is running
[07:36] <unik> bhna: great.. then devices should appear as they are inserted.
[07:36] <_ReDRuM_> kwhat? am i running that too? :)
[07:37] <_ReDRuM_> sweet.
[07:37] <bhna> thats the prob. the folder was empty
[07:37] <lonewolff> hey there, is there a bluetooth browser for kde/
[07:38] <_ReDRuM_> unik: mac should be able to run openvpn it has source and mac runs darwin..
[07:38] <unik> bhna: there is a nice kicker applet for storage devices.. I can recommend it.. (right click on the panel.. add to panel.. and find something containing storage)..
[07:38] <unik> _ReDRuM_: then openvpn is a good choice imho.
[07:38] <bhna> unik: i know but its also empty
[07:39] <Roey> unik:  those problems I listed you don't have???
[07:39] <Roey> unik:  how do you do win32 codecs?
[07:39] <Roey> unik:  it's not seamless unfortunately :(
[07:41] <bhna> thanks for helping ;-), by
[07:42] <unik> Roey: dont use wacom, no errors from grub, I have the win32-codecs problem, don't have nvidia, don't have sata, don't use sensors, and i don't use the missing packages either (obviously)...
[07:42] <unik> missed acrobat reader a few days.. but kpdf works.
[07:43] <buz> i think kpdf is much better than the adobe stuff
[07:43] <_ReDRuM_> you can make acrobat a bit better by deleting all those useless plugins
[07:43] <Roey> unik:  see there you go.
[07:43] <unik> then again.. feedback is the only way (k)ubuntu can improve.
[07:44] <Roey> unik:  for the longest time I was really really antipathic towards k/ubuntu (like, in the past two weeks).  But I want to see it improve.
[07:44] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Yeap, remove those plugins, especially that spyware one in acrobat 7
[07:44] <Roey> unik:  It is so frustrating not to know exactly how to fix a probelm.
[07:44] <Roey> unik:  and problems, too.
[07:45] <unik> Roey: you changed back to good old debian?
[07:45] <unik> or?
[07:46] <_ReDRuM_> unik - i've been playing with apt... it's top notch :) slackware isn't going on anymore systems except ones that don't do a whole lot
[07:46] <buz> hunger: search for marillat in the wiki
[07:46] <hunger> buz: The same place as for debian? I should have thought of that!
[07:46] <Roey> unik:  not good 'ol... I changed to debian-X86_64.
[07:46] <unik> _ReDRuM_: I know.. apt has supercow powers :)
[07:46] <_ReDRuM_> making deb is easier than making ebuilds
[07:46] <Roey> unik:  and I am considering moving to debian-x86.
[07:46] <buz> i'm not quite sure if it works tho
[07:46] <_ReDRuM_> its proper cool.
[07:47] <unik> Roey: is debian x86_64 good?
[07:47] <unik> Roey: tried kubuntu x86 ?
[07:47] <Verwilst> hunger: me too
[07:47] <buz> mhh no luck with ie6 in wine
[07:47] <unik> Roey: I guess debian x86_64 got much the same problems that kubuntu does?
[07:48] <buz> supposedly it works but not for me
[07:48] <buz> i can install it but upon loading it crashes
[07:48] <unik> buz: why would you want ie6?
[07:48] <buz> test websites
[07:48] <unik> heh.. ok. :)
[07:48] <unik> ie in wine is probably more secure than ie in windows anyway :)
[07:48] <buz> probably
[07:49] <buz> especially if its running under another user
[07:49] <buz> but i haven't have much look so far
[07:49] <Roey> unik:  yep
[07:49] <Roey> unik:  but kubuntu can be better than debian by fixing those :)
[07:50] <unik> roey, sure :)
[07:50] <buz> kubuntu is better than debian
[07:50] <buz> it's like debian but uptodate
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> buz: not better per say - just different.
[07:50] <buz> for me it fixes most gripes i had with debian
[07:52] <unik> (k)ubuntu is more desktop oriented than debian.
[07:52] <buz> yeah dvdshrink for wine
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> the openvpn howto is handly referring to software that doesnt exist in the package anymore
[07:54] <_ReDRuM_> got to love opensource docs :)
[07:55] <fubz> i have a strange request
[07:56] <fubz> can anyone give me a screenshot of their kubuntu desktop with the kde menu showing?
[07:56] <fubz> preferrably in .jpg format
[07:56] <_ReDRuM_> um... ok
[07:56] <fubz> thanks.
[07:58] <fubz> well?
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> was tryin to download the gimp to convert to jpg
[07:58] <_ReDRuM_> but n/m ill just save as jpeg
[07:59] <fubz> u can use imagemagick
[07:59] <fubz> if u have it :/
[07:59] <fubz> ye thats kwl
[07:59] <fubz> ;-)
[07:59] <_ReDRuM_> ksnapshot makes crap jpegs tho
[07:59] <fubz> heh
[08:00] <Roey> buz, unik:  I can't use it unfortunately :(
[08:00] <Roey> buz, unik: I'm sorta losing faith in the major linux distros -- I know i don't want fedora...
[08:00] <Roey> buz, unik:  at the same time I want to have a big selection of easily installable software
[08:00] <buz> might try mandrake
[08:00] <_ReDRuM_> might have the wrong ip
[08:00] <Roey> buz, unik:  and I'm too debian-encrusted to learn a new system like gentoo.
[08:00] <buz> then stick to debian ;-)
[08:01] <Roey> buz:  mandriva's like red hat though
[08:01] <buz> mostly
[08:01] <_ReDRuM_> nope konversation sensibly defaults to get ip from server :)
[08:01] <buz> slightly saner than fedora
[08:01] <Roey> buz:  right but then I give up things if I use amd64.  If I use x86 then I give up amd64 and performance :(
[08:01] <fubz> _ReDRuM_: Thanks
[08:01] <buz> mhh it probably wont hurt that much in most apps
[08:02] <ztonzy> hey
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> yw... mind if i ask what that was about? :P
[08:02] <unik> Roey: I'm just like you, I can't use a system without .debs :)
[08:02] <ztonzy> congrat to the release :)
[08:02] <_ReDRuM_> obviously he does
[08:03] <unik> who?
[08:03] <Roey> unik:  :)
[08:03] <Roey> unik:  but what's the real diff between dpkg/apt-get and rpm/yum ?
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> fubz - come in, asked for a snapshot of the kubuntu kde menu and ran off
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> Roey: dependency hell
[08:03] <Roey> _ReDRuM_:  with yum? I thought yum fixed that
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> it was junk
[08:03] <buz> rpm is crap
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> perhaps so
[08:03] <Roey> _ReDRuM_:  yum was junk?
[08:03] <_ReDRuM_> never tried yum
[08:04] <Roey> buz:  using rpm by itself is like using dpkg by itself
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> i've got a fedora system but its got third party management software on
[08:04] <Roey> buz:  it doesn't automatically get the deps for you
[08:04] <buz> only wtf uses dpkg by hand
[08:04] <treke> just use yum
[08:04] <_ReDRuM_> your not supposed to use dpkg by hand? :P
[08:04] <buz> ill stick to kubuntu
[08:04] <Roey> _ReDRuM_:  that's the problem with commercial companies who code for gnu/linux.. they code for red hat, not for LSB or (hopefully something better than LSB, like Debian).
[08:04] <unik> Roey: I know dpkg pretty good..  i don't know rpm that good. that's the real difference to me.
[08:04] <Roey> ok
[08:04] <buz> if only i could get 1600*1200 on my lcd to work
[08:05] <_ReDRuM_> roey - heh... the fedora system only exists cause im making more generic versions of redhat software :)
[08:05] <Roey> unik:  s/good/well/"don't know rpm that good"
[08:05] <hunger> Are there plans to make ubuntu support encrypted FSes out of the box at some point?
[08:05] <Roey> _ReDRuM_:  haha
[08:05] <unik> Roey: My father got a SuSE 9.2 machine.. it's ok to use, with apt-get installed..
[08:05] <hunger> Like cryptsetup/pam_mount combi?
[08:05] <Roey> hunger:  yet another cool application!
[08:06] <Roey> unik:  ah.
[08:06] <unik> Roey: yeah :)
[08:06] <hunger> Roey: I'd love to help with that...
[08:06] <hunger> Roey: In fact I mailed a improved /etc/init.d/cryptdisks to the debian maintainer a couple of days back.
[08:07] <hunger> Roey: Well, I consider it improved;-)
[08:09] <GNAM> hi
[08:09] <xzgv> hi, from what i understand, kubuntu is based on sid, right?, if i want to change to debian sid repositories is there a program that gives me the list to choose from?
[08:10] <Roey> hunger:   you encrypt your disks with AES? how does this affect file and swap performance?
[08:10] <GNAM> openoffice, firefox, thunderbird are included in kubuntu?
[08:10] <Roey> hunger:  can XFS do encryption, or is this another fielsystem on top of XFS?
[08:10] <Roey> GNAM:  they didn't work for me in X86_64.
[08:10] <gdh> GNAM: yes, no, no.
[08:10] <GNAM> firefox no?
[08:10] <GNAM> ok
[08:10] <hunger> Roey: I do.
[08:10] <gdh> GNAM: not on the default CD.
[08:11] <Roey> hunger:  ah.  how?
[08:11] <gdh> GNAM: It's installable via packages if you need it.
[08:11] <GNAM> so browser is konqueror?
[08:11] <Roey> GNAM:  won't work for x86_64 (prolly won't.. it didnt' for me)
[08:11] <gdh> Correct.
[08:11] <Roey> GNAM:  for kubuntu, it's konqueror.
[08:11] <motaboy> Hi all!
[08:11] <gdh> Same as GNOME's default browser is Epiphany.
[08:11] <hunger> Roey: I only encrypt some stuff in /var, swap and the user partition (with links into unencrypted space)
[08:11] <Roey> gdh:  shudder.
[08:11] <GNAM> i've x86_64 but i'll install (k)ubuntu i386
[08:12] <gdh> Roey: Yes, the 'speed' of Gecko with zero features whatsoever =)
[08:12] <GNAM> because some programs won't compile at 64 bit
[08:12] <hunger> Roey: Performance is OK. Encryption works on the blockdev level, so it is fine with all filesystems.
[08:12] <Roey> hunger:  is it above raid or below??
[08:13] <hunger> Roey: It uses the devicemapper. So you can take any blockdevice (lvm, Raid, partition, whatever) and have that encrypted (which gives you a new blockdev).
[08:14] <hunger> Roey: You can then format the new dev with whatever you like.
[08:14] <Roey> cool.
[08:15] <Roey> hunger:  why do you encrypt??
[08:15] <Roey> hunger:  this is a home system or a server at work somehow?
[08:15] <hunger> Roey: Yeap, a huge improvement over the loop-stuff.
[08:15] <Roey> hunger:  oh, it was a loopback thing before? :)
[08:15] <hunger> Roey: It is my laptop. It contains lots of company data.
[08:15] <Roey> oh.. ok.
[08:15] <hunger> Roey: And more important: All my personal stuff;-)
[08:16] <hunger> Roey: And of course I am paranoid, too.
[08:16] <Roey> hunger:  like... on my home system I don't want to encrypt anything.. if I shoudl die or otherwise become permanently unavailable then I want my family to have ready access to my stuff, including diary, photos, etc.
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> unik - ever bootstrapped a deb system?
[08:16] <_ReDRuM_> (or anyone else here)
[08:16] <Roey> _ReDRuM_:  I tried and failed.
[08:16] <unik> _ReDRuM_: do it every day.
[08:16] <unik> more or less.
[08:17] <treke> gah apt is driving me nuts here
[08:17] <Roey> unik:  for what???
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> i got scared off by the "WARNING THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN HACKED" message on debbootstrap :/
[08:17] <_ReDRuM_> what do you use?
[08:17] <Roey> unik:  you boot off debootstrap?
[08:17] <hunger> Roey: Well, I do want to know that if my laptop was ever stolen then at least nobody can break into customer systems with the data found on my laptop.
[08:17] <Roey> ah ok
[08:18] <unik> Roey: yes.. or pbuilder..
[08:18] <Roey> hunger:  what want to set up is a distributed backup system to backup my stuff nightly with dirvish
[08:18] <Roey> unik:  pbuilder is windows right?
[08:18] <unik> no.
[08:18] <Roey> ok
[08:18] <Roey> brb
[08:18] <hunger> Roey: I do backups each night whenever I am in the office (including the encrypted stuff)
[08:18] <_ReDRuM_> hunger: what disk crypto system do you use? i could do with that ocassionally
[08:19] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: Device mapper with the standard parameters (AES, 256bit, forgot the hash algo).
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> unik: is pbuilder also carrying the message on the debootstrap homepage "WARNING! POSSIBLE HACKED!?" :/
[08:19] <_ReDRuM_> you even have to type a password in - "I don't value my data" or something
[08:20] <unik> _ReDRuM_: no? - I don't install it from the debootstrap homepage.
[08:20] <unik> I apt-get it.. or get the source from either packages.debian.org or archives.ubuntu.com..
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> unik: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:preJUZwWd3sJ:people.debian.org/~walters/descriptions.html+%2B%22writing+debian+package+descriptions%22&hl=en&client=firefox
[08:20] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: It currently is a bit of a PITA to install ubuntu on encrypted discs.
[08:20] <_ReDRuM_> er wrong link
[08:21] <_ReDRuM_> hunger - only need data disks encrypted anyway
[08:21] <hunger> _ReDRuM_: /home, swap (very impoartant, since I want to use hibernate), some dirs in /var, /tmp
[08:21] <treke> so dumb question, but are any of the package archives working at the moment?
[08:22] <Rickdangerous> hunger, for example which dirs in /var and /tmp ?
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> unik - archives.ubuntu.com is the same debootstrap as debian?
[08:22] <hunger> Rickdangerous: Everything in /tmp, /var/spool, /var/log, /var/tmp.
[08:22] <_ReDRuM_> since packages.debian.org is dead...
[08:22] <hunger> Rickdangerous: Add all dirs a user may write into as needed.
[08:23] <Rickdangerous> hunger, you can mount /tmp as tmpfs and it will use swap.
[08:23] <unik> _ReDRuM_: more or less.. it's changed to debootstrap ubuntu..
[08:23] <treke> whoohoo. seems like the au mirror actually works
[08:23] <hunger> Rickdangerous: Yeap... but I have more /tmp than swap:-)
[08:23] <Rickdangerous> heh ok then.
[08:24] <Beineri> gdh: GNOME's default browser is Epiphany but Ubuntu (as Fedora)'s is Firefox
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> unik: that would just be apt.sources and a few package suffixes?
[08:24] <hunger> Rickdangerous: I occassionally need to assemble data DVDs to burn. Don't want to do that in my homedir:-)
[08:24] <Beineri> dunno who is using Epiphany today...
[08:24] <_ReDRuM_> sources.list or whatever that files caled
[08:25] <hunger> OK, have to run... See you later.
[08:25] <Rickdangerous> bye hunger
[08:25] <unik> _ReDRuM_: well.. some files too..
[08:25] <treke> looks like it was an apt bug
[08:26] <unik> _ReDRuM_: the easy solution: get debian debootstrap for debian.. and ubuntu debootstrap for ubuntu
[08:26] <_ReDRuM_> google cache rocks.
[08:28] <gdh> Beineri: Ah, didn't know that :)
[08:28] <Roey> hunger:   how do you do backups?  I have used Dirvish before (www.dirvish.org)
[08:32] <treke> ztonzy: I'd be happy if apt didnt error out whenever I tried updating :p
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> [531/31/0] root@echo:debian #find / -path /proc -prune -o -path /dev -prune -o -path /sys -prune -o -path /tmp -prune -o -exec touch -d '1/1/1980 00:00' {} \; <---- thus begins the death of slackware :)
[08:33] <ztonzy> treke, I usually have around 600-700 kB/s  but now I had around 20kB/s  heh
[08:33] <_ReDRuM_> dating all the files so i can install overtop without taking it down
[08:34] <_ReDRuM_> wish i'd know about this apt stuff before
[08:35] <ztonzy> hmm
[08:35] <ztonzy> treke, I wonder if it would be best to re-install Kubuntu since it is released now, maybe it fixes some things
[08:35] <treke> ah here we go
[08:35] <treke> clearing the apt list cache might have helped
[08:36] <ztonzy> treke, forgot how,  command ?
[08:36] <unik> ztonzy: no need to reinstall.. all the fixes are installed with the upgrade.
[08:36] <unik> are/will be..
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> The current stable distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 3.0r4, codenamed woody. It was released on January 1st, 2005.
[08:36] <_ReDRuM_> think someone made a typo? :)
[08:36] <treke> unik: The issue is that upgrading isn't functioning at the moment :)
[08:37] <treke> _ReDRuM_: nope
[08:37] <ztonzy> unik, no updates since some day...
[08:37] <treke> _ReDRuM_: looks about right
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> i thought woody was released like 2001 or something
[08:37] <treke> ztonzy: /var/lib/apt/lists
[08:37] <treke> 3.0r0 was released in 2002
[08:37] <ztonzy> treke, I mean to clear it
[08:37] <treke> 3.0r4 was released this year
[08:37] <_ReDRuM_> oh right :)
[08:37] <treke> ztonzy: rm
[08:37] <unik> treke, ztonzym strange.. I can upgrade just fine.. what's your problems?
[08:38] <treke> unik: gzip error when updating the package list
[08:38] <treke> unik: clearing the old list files fixed it
[08:38] <_ReDRuM_> treke - is woody still full of loads of ancient software?
[08:39] <treke> _ReDRuM_: yes
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> hmm.
[08:39] <treke> it's very rare for a signficant upgrade of an application in a stable release
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> how stable is sarge?
[08:39] <treke> the only one I know of was the ssh mess a while back
[08:39] <Beineri> _ReDRuM_: woody has already KDE 2.2!
[08:39] <_ReDRuM_> in your opinion
[08:40] <treke> beats me
[08:40] <treke> I don't use sarge
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> use woody?
[08:40] <treke> I use woody and used to use unstable
[08:40] <uniq> grr.. dialup died on me.
[08:40] <_ReDRuM_> uniq :(
[08:41] <Beineri> KDE 2.2.2 even, which was released 21 November 2001
[08:41] <Rickdangerous> don't use testing (sarge) untill it's frozen
[08:41] <Roey> Rickdangerous:  which may be next year
[08:42] <Rickdangerous> Roey, no it will be released this year
[08:42] <Rickdangerous> I hope ;)
[08:43] <ztonzy> anyone used KCheckmail ??
[08:44] <_ReDRuM_> so im going to end up building all the software myself anyway and the only advantage of replacing slack with debian will be apt..
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> anyone built php 4 for example on woody - it took me several hours on slack downloading all those libraries and building them whats the timescale like for apt?
[08:45] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, how about ubuntu? :)
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> Rickdangerous: on a server?
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> interesting concept...
[08:45] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, doesn't it have required packages?
[08:45] <_ReDRuM_> i guess so, i just thought of it as a desktop distro
[08:46] <treke> I use ubuntu on one of my servers
[08:46] <lao_v> hi guys..can anyone help with gmailfs?
[08:46] <treke> works well enough for light use
[08:46] <treke> it's an odd warty/hoary hybrid though
[08:46] <Tsuroerusu> Aren't regular Debian better for that?
[08:46] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, ubuntu is based on debian so I *guess* it will be good on server.
[08:46] <Tsuroerusu> LOL
[08:46] <Rickdangerous> Tsuroerusu, stable is too old.
[08:46] <Tsuroerusu> Yeah
[08:46] <lao_v> i'm getting the following error when trying to mount: fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[08:47] <Rickdangerous> and unstable isn't suitable for production servers. testing is *worse* than sid (till it's frozen :)
[08:47] <_ReDRuM_> the main reason i want to get rid of slack is speed, if i have to do the same things on debian then it's going to take exactly the same amount of time with me throwing -D instead of -S to checkinstall
[08:47] <vrln> any ideas if there's an official ubuntu mirror out there that's not down right now?
[08:47] <vrln> I've tried us, fi and se
[08:48] <Tsuroerusu> By the way
[08:48] <Tsuroerusu> Has anyone tried running Ubuntu on teh Xbox?
[08:48] <Tsuroerusu> That was something I was thinking about giving a shot
[08:49] <_ReDRuM_> this server was supposed to be running weeks ago lol
[08:50] <_ReDRuM_> luckily the old one works ok(ish)
[08:50] <ztonzy> any maintaine/developer here ?
[08:51] <_ReDRuM_> what am i going to do with you.
[08:52] <_ReDRuM_> bah ill stick with slack at least i know it.
[08:52] <Beineri> vrln: so many mirrors to try: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[08:53] <vrln> thanks :)
[08:54] <_ReDRuM_> haha
[08:56] <Bicchi> is it safe to download kubuntu. i mean is it at the same level of release as ubuntu. I ask because i heard that ubuntu was released today.
[08:56] <uniq> bicchi: it's safe :)
[08:56] <vrln> Bicchi: yes
[08:56] <Rickdangerous> Bicchi, kubuntu is released today too :)
[08:56] <Bicchi> does it includes the same packages and everything.
[08:57] <ataxic> 71%  done :)
[08:57] <ataxic> kubuntu is kde based ubuntu  gnome *spit* based :)
[08:58] <vasi> hey, every time i add something to my panel in kubuntu, all the panel applets move around
[08:58] <_ReDRuM_> hey i could compile apt on slackware :)
[08:58] <vasi> can i lock them in place somehow?
[08:58] <ataxic> _ReDRuM_: does that wrk proper
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> don't see why not
[08:59] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, linuxpackages.net has apt but it will be useless on slackware :)
[08:59] <ataxic> netbsd's pkgsrc works on slackware too
[08:59] <Rickdangerous> _ReDRuM_, pkgsrc is a better choice
[08:59] <Verwilst> hrm
[08:59] <Verwilst> kubuntu
[08:59] <Verwilst> seems to be quite the multimedia nightmare
[08:59] <ataxic> Rickdangerous: its not perfect tho
[08:59] <ataxic> i had some lil problems here and there
[08:59] <mdz> Bicchi: both Ubuntu and Kubuntu released today; this is the first release of Kubuntu, but the second release of Ubuntu
[08:59] <Verwilst> even playing an mpg isn't fluent
[08:59] <Rickdangerous> ataxic, I've always wanted to try it but too late :)
[08:59] <Verwilst> sound skips
[08:59] <ataxic> too late?
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> #ls -l ~/slack/packages/current/custom/ | wc -l
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> 46
[08:59] <Verwilst> , ..
[08:59] <Verwilst> ;(
[08:59] <_ReDRuM_> getting rediculous need to do something :)
[09:00] <Rickdangerous> ataxic, stopped using slackware years ago ;)
[09:00] <ataxic> might as well install netbsd
[09:00] <ataxic> hehe
[09:00] <_ReDRuM_> 46 custom packages (pratcially all libraries) is massively excessive
[09:00] <Rickdangerous> ataxic, I'm lazy :)
[09:00] <ztonzy> heh   83 users in here...84 now
[09:00] <Roey> 83
[09:01] <ataxic> Rickdangerous: me too thatswhy i'm begining to like kubuntu
[09:01] <ataxic> clickerteeclick
[09:01] <Rickdangerous> ataxic, heh
[09:01] <ataxic> i still have slackware installed
[09:01] <ataxic> it will stay i guess
[09:01] <mikkel> any chances of gettin a .deb for Kvirc 3.2?
[09:01] <ataxic> i needed it the other day to fix the bootloader
[09:02] <ataxic> mikkel: why not use konversation
[09:02] <_ReDRuM_> i like slack... but it's a headache if you want to do more than run bind, mysql and apache on it
[09:02] <HavoK> hi there
[09:02] <ataxic> _ReDRuM_: its not that bad
[09:02] <mikkel> because konversation lacks the featues I require in a good IRC-client
[09:02] <_ReDRuM_> ataxic: 46 custom build packages nearly all libraries is quite bad :)
[09:02] <_ReDRuM_> just to get it running and im not finished yet
[09:03] <ataxic> kvirc lacks featured to be a good OS
[09:03] <HavoK> there is a way to start polypaudio at kde's startup?
[09:03] <_ReDRuM_> ataxic: think about the security implications of that how am i going to track it all ill just have to watch bugtrack with filters and hope problems show up there
[09:03] <ztonzy> wow
[09:03] <buz> is apollon worth anything at all?
[09:03] <ataxic> _ReDRuM_: you needed to install 46 libraries?
[09:03] <ztonzy> 564 users in #ubuntu
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> ataxic: not all libraries, just mostly libraries
[09:04] <benJIman> you can put things in ~/.kde/Autostart to start up on kde start HavoK
[09:04] <HavoK> benJIman: ok thanks
[09:04] <ataxic> buz: its not as good as edonkey,
[09:04] <ataxic> _ReDRuM_: install kde not gnome :P
[09:04] <mikkel> well, konversation's tab-structure makes it a pain to be on many different channels on differen networks
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> its a server not a desktop! :P
[09:04] <ataxic> buz: good as in the amount of users on it
[09:04] <ataxic> mikkel: thats annoying yeh
[09:04] <buz> what network does it use anyway
[09:04] <_ReDRuM_> and it needs to support a lot of different technologies like php ruby python perl ldap qmail...
[09:05] <ataxic> they should make tabs in tabs
[09:05] <ataxic> top tabs networks bottom tabs channels/queries
[09:05] <ataxic> use irssi!
[09:05] <_ReDRuM_> irssi is pretty slick for a console client
[09:05] <ataxic> i love it
[09:05] <mikkel> I use irssi, currently
[09:05] <ataxic> me too
[09:05] <_ReDRuM_> its my favoured console client
[09:05] <ataxic> but konversation is sweet for a GUI client
[09:05] <benJIman> there's kopete as well
[09:05] <ataxic> nicer then xchat imo
[09:06] <mikkel> but kvirc is kinda nice, even with all the bloat :)
[09:06] <_ReDRuM_> yeh it converted me from xchat
[09:06] <aseigo> Riddell: ping
[09:06] <mikkel> that aside, many thanks to the guys who made kubuntu :)
[09:07] <ataxic> i made a theme and some aliases 2/3 years ago for irssi, backed it up  and still using the same settings/theme
[09:07] <ataxic> i hate weasting time on a irc client
[09:07] <ataxic> :P
[09:07] <mikkel> I finally got fed up with gentoo, and suddenly there was a viable alternative for my KDE-desktop :)
[09:07] <ataxic> i ment fiddling, noit chatting
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> mikkel i also went to gentoo on the desktop to kubuntu - its cool - couldnt be happier
[09:07] <_ReDRuM_> couple of annoying buts but less than gentoo
[09:08] <ataxic> bout 55 minutes download left before I start installing
[09:08] <_ReDRuM_> s/buts/bugs/
[09:08] <mikkel> gentoo has a nice configuration-system (init/rc), but compiling everything sucks :)
[09:08] <vasi> i've unfortunately found kubuntu kinda buggy so far...i usually prefer KDE, but i'm seeing far too many crashes
[09:09] <aseigo> vasi: crashes with what?
[09:09] <mikkel> only unstable thing i have here is firefox
[09:10] <netsniper> Get Ubunut here on highspeed University pipe: ftp://ftp.umasslug.org/iso/Ubuntu/Hoary/
[09:11] <vasi> amarok freezes when i try to play an MP3 stream
[09:11] <HavoK> mikkel: yeah, the gentoo's init system rocks
[09:11] <_ReDRuM_> LOADS of people are having trouble with amarok
[09:11] <vasi> kaffeine plays streams, but when i try to save a playlist with streams in it, it crashes
[09:11] <netsniper> try Rhythmbox
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> HavoK: it wouldnt be hard to emulate gentoo init system in kubuntu
[09:12] <vasi> i'm back to streamtuner actually, it's just what i need
[09:12] <benJIman> juk is very nice, and reliable and fast too
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> init scripts are fairly simple
[09:12] <vasi> juk doesn't do streams, afaik
[09:12] <Bicchi> if ubuntu mainly focuses on gnome, i wonder what would be the amount of commitment given to kde in kubumtu?
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> Bicchi: it doesnt even come with gimp or gaim.
[09:12] <HavoK> _ReDRuM_: hm...
[09:12] <_ReDRuM_> so its pretty kde committed :)
[09:12] <vasi> the network config settings app, and the wireless one too, both crashed on me several times
[09:12] <HavoK> _ReDRuM_: that would be really nice =)
[09:13] <vasi> was a bitch getting the network set up that way :-/
[09:14] <mikkel> kubuntu is simply the KDE-team for ubuntu - so the kubuntu people will be working hard on ensuring KDE-support for us nice people :)
[09:16] <helio7> I'm noticing that the kubuntu Torrents I have in my torrent-client appear to be functional still, and have the same name as the ones at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/current/ although I dl'ed them over a week ago.  Was there not a posting of new torrents with the official release of Kubuntu-Hoary?
[09:16] <vasi> i don't think gtk is even installed by default in kubuntu
[09:17] <vasi> pretty hard core
[09:17] <apokryphos> helio7: yes, there was -- but people still downloading that one (though, of course, not as many)
[09:19] <helio7> Ok, I was surprised I guess apokryphos since the old torrents still work, whereas normal "rc" ubuntu torrents have been taken down from the torrent server
[09:19] <apokryphos> Oh, didn't realise.
[09:19] <dnipro> probleme with the language for live cd !!!
[09:20] <mikkel> http://revelation.dk/galleri/?gallery=1&num=22 <- my new kubuntu desktop :)
[09:20] <mikkel> let's have a screenshot-battle :)
[09:20] <dnipro> I choose french but only the installation screens was french the rest stay in english !!!
[09:21] <mikkel> dnipro: you'll have to install the kde-i18n-fr packages
[09:21] <dnipro> I am the only one with such probleme ?
[09:21] <apokryphos> mikkel: that's pretty sweet. But get thy some new icon theme ;-)
[09:22] <dnipro> yes but do I have to do that all the time. It was the live cd.
[09:22] <Beineri> dnipro: the live cd doesn't contain language packages
[09:22] <mikkel> apokryphos: oh yes, I forgot to change to nuvola while is was busy fiddling :)
[09:23] <dnipro> I burn a cd for nothing now I can put it in rubbish now.  I understand english but I wanted to make a gift !
[09:23] <Beineri> mikkel: much too big panel hide button, and open a window then the taskbar doesn't look so good anymore ;-)
[09:23] <theJack> hey :)
[09:23] <theJack> can someone tell me, does kubuntu include The Gimp?
[09:23] <mikkel> Beineri: I don't use the taskbar, I use the kasbar in the upper right
[09:23] <Beineri> mikkel: but the minipager can be made transparent
[09:24] <dnipro> It would be important to specify that the live CD does not contain any language expect english.
[09:24] <mikkel> dnipro: why is that, when you can install language-packs from the net
[09:24] <dnipro> No kubuntu does not include gimp
[09:25] <mikkel> Beineri: oh, I didn't know that one, thanks :)
[09:25] <Beineri> theJack: the kubuntu CD doesn't contain it, the "kubuntu repository" does
[09:25] <dnipro> I installed the language package but i did not see the result and it is not usable to install it every day
[09:25] <Beineri> mikkel: you know how to change the panel hide button size?
[09:25] <theJack> Beineri: So you'd have to install GTK aswell
[09:26] <uniq> gtg, later guys.
[09:26] <Beineri> theJack: that will be done automatically...
[09:26] <dnipro> is it possible to install the package on a usb key ?
[09:27] <dnipro> Am I the only non english here ?
[09:27] <ataxic> no
[09:27] <ataxic> but i have settled with english
[09:27] <mikkel> dnipro: no, I am danish
[09:27] <dnipro> Did you try the kubuntu live CD ? the last version 5.4?
[09:27] <mikkel> though I prefer my apps in english :)
[09:28] <mikkel> no, I just installed the OS :)
[09:28] <Bicchi> if i install kubuntu and i do not like it, is it easy to get ubuntu with just gnome? like just gnome instead of kde but with kde installed.
[09:28] <dnipro> You but if you want to show to someone else ?
[09:28] <buz> i prefer english too, even though i speak german
[09:28] <dnipro> What is the target of the live CD ?
[09:28] <bufalo73> dnipro, i'm not english (like you)
[09:28] <buz> if i show something to someone else, it'll be OSX ;-)
[09:28] <dnipro> Demo version ? for someone else ?
[09:29] <buz> the people i'd give linux are capable of burning them isos themselves ;-)
[09:29] <Beineri> bicchi: sure, just install "ubuntu-desktop" then
[09:30] <Bicchi> beineri: and thats all?
[09:30] <apokryphos> that's right
[09:30] <Beineri> Bicchi: well, if you really don't like you can also uninstall it :-|
[09:30] <Beineri> like KDE
[09:30] <Bicchi> thats easy
[09:30] <Bicchi> cool. i got a weekend project.
[09:30] <buz> i say you don't want to swap kde for gnome
[09:31] <buz> but that's just me
[09:31] <Bicchi> well, i haven't tried ubuntu yet so i can just want to be sure if i do not like it i can have the opt.
[09:31] <bufalo73> Bicchi, uninstall qt libraries and you have half the work done
[09:31] <Beineri> you can have both, one GNOME panel, one KDE panel ;-)...
[09:31] <Beineri> better use debfoster
[09:32] <Bicchi> i just want to make sure that the option is there in case kde turns out to be buggy or who knows what.
[09:32] <buz> if you only want to try, maybe live cd is better for you
[09:32] <Beineri> Bicchi: there are also other options, like xfce ;-)
[09:32] <Bicchi> i did the live cd allready and i liked it. i want to go further.
[09:32] <bufalo73> or (even) ratpoison ;D
[09:33] <ataxic> ratpoison? hehe, why not evilwm
[09:33] <ataxic> ?
[09:33] <ataxic> :)
[09:33] <Bicchi> are there any good tutorials that can start me with ubuntu. like i know mandrake system but know nothing about debian.
[09:33] <buz> kubuntu livecd?
[09:33] <Bicchi> no i mean command tutorials. like i heard that apt-get is to get software. things like that.
[09:34] <Beineri> Bicchi: like http://ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[09:34] <buz> is there anyway to get apt-get build-dep to keep its stuff outside /usr?
[09:34] <dnipro> byby !
[09:34] <buz> i want it confined in some other place
[09:34] <ztonzy> anyone wants to try the very latest Blender from source :) ??
[09:35] <Beineri> ztonzy: has it a GUI one can use? :-)
[09:35] <mikl> ztonzy: blender is a looooong compile :)
[09:35] <ztonzy> Beineri, start to learn it ;)
[09:35] <ztonzy> Beineri, now there's transform widgets like in the bigger apps
[09:36] <ztonzy> mikl, is it?  not if you do it almost daily
[09:36] <ztonzy> Beineri, nothing comes free you know ;)
[09:37] <ztonzy> Beineri, try Maya...I cant stand all the menus
[09:37] <ztonzy> makes me dizzy
[09:37] <vrln> if I install kubuntu-desktop, will it switch ubuntu to use kdm by default?
[09:37] <vrln> or will it just add the kde option to gdm
[09:37] <ztonzy> btw
[09:37] <Beineri> vrln: it will ask
[09:37] <vrln> ok, thanks
[09:37] <ztonzy> anyone tried KCheckgmail ??
[09:37] <ztonzy> doesnt work for me
[09:37] <mikl> ztonzy: I couldn't make it work either
[09:38] <ztonzy> checked their site...it says newer source
[09:38] <Beineri> vrln: what login manager should be used. options will be added in any case :-)
[09:38] <mmpf> hi@all
[09:38] <mikl> i complains about the password :)
[09:38] <ztonzy> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1212365&forum_id=396870
[09:38] <ztonzy> read at bottom
[09:38] <ztonzy> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1106437&group_id=116095&atid=673717  <---bug
[09:38] <mmpf> anyone using lineakd ?
[09:38] <vrln> Beineri: great - I'm configuring everything for a friend (first time linux user) via ssh :)
[09:39] <vrln> so I'll add kde too so he can decide for himself which one he wants to use
[09:39] <mmpf> or the cherry cymotionmaster linux?
[09:39] <buz> so i can run winxp in qemu with a somewhat acceptable speed
[09:39] <ztonzy> hm
[09:39] <buz> but no debs