[00:08] <bdmurray> yofel: updated
[00:09]  * yofel goes testing...
[00:10] <yofel> bdmurray: thx :D
[00:10] <bdmurray> no problem
[00:10] <bdmurray> I'd always just used the collect it one for kernel bugs
[00:10] <bdmurray> depending on the release
[00:11] <yofel> which until now really was the better choice
[00:12] <yofel> well, the new kernel response is pretty much a merge between the old one, the kernel policy page, and the collect it response
[00:19] <bcurtiswx> Is it going overboard making my potential mentees appear on IRC and chat with me in this room to start with before accepting them as mentees?
[00:21] <bdmurray> micahg: new firefox-lp-improvements uploading too
[00:21] <crimsun> bcurtiswx: not necessarily, though it may be unduly burdensome
[00:21] <micahg> bdmurray: will it fix the edit issue, I had to disable that
[00:21] <crimsun> bcurtiswx: after all you set the grounds on which you mentor them
[00:21] <persia> bcurtiswx: I don't think it makes sense for everyone to require that, but if you need confirmation that you can interact with them on IRC in order to be comfortable the mentorship will be successful, it makes sense to do that.
[00:21] <bdmurray> it fixes the ajax issue but still changes it on the +edit url
[00:21] <bdmurray> I'm working on that too
[00:22] <bcurtiswx> Thats the easiest way to get help anytime on triaging... I think its extremely important... so i guess its ok.
[00:22] <bcurtiswx> i don't want to be a burden to them if I'm not available and they want some help... ya know... having them know this is a great place for help is good
[00:23] <persia> bcurtiswx: Depends on the nature of the mentorship.  I once had a very successful (MOTU) mentorship that was done almost entirely via email.  The individual concerned now uses IRC *lots*, but was uncomfortable with it at first.
[00:23] <micahg> bdmurray: that's good enough for me right now
[00:23] <bdmurray> micahg: me too! ;-)
[00:23] <persia> But, yeah, stressing that this is the place to come is a good idea :)
[00:23] <bcurtiswx> persia: good point, this person has an irc account tho.. so i can assume some general familiarity
[00:23] <micahg> thanks bdmurray
[00:24] <bdmurray> micahg: well it was rather embarassing :-(
[00:31] <hggdh> bcurtiswx: the major gain is for them to realise anyone here can help
[00:31] <bcurtiswx> hggdh: Yup, thats what I hope to get them to realize
[02:24] <LimCore> I was wondering... would it be a good future request, to have a clipboard in gnome? So that copy/paste would work
[02:24] <LimCore> for example like the current one, but instead one that actually works (even if source copy application was closed)
[02:25] <micahg> LimCore: glipper
[02:27] <LimCore> micahg: why... WHY why it's not on by default?
[02:27] <micahg> LimCore: idk
[02:27] <LimCore> human being do not want to search that information, and they really are totally irritated when they copied very important data to clipboard, closed source application (not saved) and... it's gone
[02:28] <micahg> LimCore: well, there's a bug about making the apps follow the freedesktop standard
[02:28] <micahg> which I think you've seen
[02:28] <LimCore> which one?
[02:28] <micahg> bug 11334
[02:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 11334 in ubuntu "MASTER Copy-Paste doesn't work if the source is closed before the paste" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11334
[02:29] <LimCore> oh right. Well, it was indeed an epic fail even in 2009. 2010, still not fixed
[02:29] <micahg> LimCore: it's in universe
[02:29] <micahg> LimCore: it's been fixed in FF trunk
[02:30] <LimCore> ff?
[02:30] <micahg> Firefox
[02:30] <LimCore> but it's not about firefox
[02:30] <LimCore> its about gnome overall
[02:30] <micahg> well if each app followed the standard, you wouldn't need a separate clipboard manager
[02:30] <LimCore> huhm
[02:30] <LimCore> well to be honest, as an I user, I couldn't care less
[02:31] <LimCore> and I think most users will share this position, we would like it just working
[02:31] <Pici> There isn't a magic wand we can wave to fix all bugs, you know this.
[02:31] <micahg> LimCore: maybe you should file a Main inclusion request for glipper if it does what you want and you think it would benefit a lot of users
[02:31] <LimCore> how about enabling this extra clipboard app, by default, or doing What Ever Is Needed - at least for now?
[02:31] <micahg> LimCore: it's in universe, so it can't be on the CD
[02:32] <LimCore> Pici: but here it appears what is missing, is a decission, to include it
[02:32] <LimCore> micahg: well.. I don't care about the CD.. it can install as soon as I have internet (or - for 99% of users - install from internet during main installation)
[02:33] <micahg> LimCore: I don't think any of the universe packages are installed by default
[02:33] <micahg> but I can't say for sure
[02:33]  * LimCore installs this glipper
[02:34] <LimCore> what i like here, is that this is again DOUBLE-BUG :)
[02:34] <LimCore> i.e.: I found a bug, /while/ reporting /another bug/
[02:35] <LimCore> back to the original bug though
[02:35] <LimCore> A crash-bug I reported on..   	 2008-11-20  .. was marked fixed.. but it AGAIN is the case! and 100% reproducable
[02:35] <LimCore> what should I do?
[02:37] <LimCore> bug 300127
[02:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 300127 in kdepim "crash when selecting email when input-passphrase/pin (OpenPGP) window is open and then canceled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300127
[02:39] <persia> That's something deeper: I've had a number of hangs when dismissing the gpg-agent
[02:40] <LimCore> persia: this is same bug as before - same bugtrace: parseMsg() and below;  and that bug was it seems in kmail itself
[02:40] <LimCore> but comment on that bug and on KDE bug please;  I will reopen KDE bug too
[02:40] <micahg> LimCore: why not talk to the person who marked it fixed
[02:40] <micahg> before you reopen
[02:40] <LimCore> because then people ban me everywhere :< lol
[02:41] <persia> Nah, if you've a backtrace in kmail, it's better to fix that, rather than rely on anecdotal evidence.  I'm not confident enough about my behaviour to have a bug yet.
[02:41] <LimCore> nah ok, I will also ask him. Well but why wait with reopening, obvioyusly there is the bug,  and people then can at least find it and comment it instead of dupl.
[02:41] <micahg> LimCore: let me see if I can grab him to come in here
[02:42]  * LimCore apt-get installs ispell-polish-curses
[02:42] <LimCore> btw, is "wtf" considered bad language in this channel or not?
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> hi
[02:42] <LimCore> hello
[02:42] <micahg> LimCore: talk
[02:42] <LimCore> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/300127 seems to happen again
[02:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 300127 in kdepim "crash when selecting email when input-passphrase/pin (OpenPGP) window is open and then canceled" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[02:43] <LimCore> same back trace of the bug - kmail crashes under parseMsg() in parse ID or body().  That bug was makred fixed, but now it happens again, always, in identical conditions, and it crashes in identical way
[02:44] <LimCore> Im now on up to date ubuntu 9.10 - Version 4.3.2 (KDE 4.3.2)
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> probably http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180741
[02:45] <ubot4> KDE bug 180741 in general "crash in kmail (typeinfo name for, KMReaderWin::parseMsg)" [Crash,New]
[02:48] <LimCore> well
[02:48] <LimCore> then that 180741 appears to be a duplicate of
[02:48] <LimCore> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125512#c9
[02:48] <ubot4> KDE bug 125512 in general "KMail crashes if selecting anothe mail while being prompted for password" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]
[02:48] <LimCore> (from year 2007.......)
[02:49] <LimCore> updateReaderWin -> displayMessage -> parseMsg   same bug since 2007?
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> It would appear so, I suppose
[02:50] <LimCore> oh my
[02:50]  * LimCore totally facepamls
[02:50] <LimCore> how to get this bug fixed then?
[02:51] <persia> Try the same patch that fixed it last time, and if that works, track down why it got unapplied, and try to come up with something that solves both issues.
[02:51] <LimCore> cool, except, Im not qt developer
[02:51] <persia> Many recurring bugs happen because there are two behaviours which are bad in certain corner cases, and the bits get flipped back and forth.
[02:52] <persia> Don't need to be: just hunt down the revision that closed the original bug, and extract that patch.  Apply it.
[02:52] <persia> If it doesn't work, then maybe you need to be a qt developer, but if it works, you can track down the unapply, and add a lot of useful information to the bug for the qt developer who ends up fixing it.
[02:53] <LimCore> and how to do such bisection comfortably on Ubuntu?
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> I can't reproduce this bug even now, though. the KMail interface doesn't seem to respond when the pinentry dialog is open
[02:53] <LimCore> by comfortably, I mean Im having not much own time
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> which is why I closed the upstream bug 5 months ago (there wasn't a patch)
[02:53] <LimCore> JontheEchidna: I open pinentry, try to click in kmail, try to close it,  then close pinentry. Try doing it few times, try alt+tab around, try closing windows, it works
[02:53] <ubot4> JontheEchidna: Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private
[02:54] <LimCore> JontheEchidna: you closed the bug without "fixing it", just because you could not reproduce? but it was makred fix released?
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> WEll, it's not like I thought you or anybody else was lying when they said they could access other mails when the pinentry dialog was open
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> and if then, in KDE 4.3, I could not access other mails while pinentry was open...
[02:57] <LimCore> that is right, I can not access other email with pinentry ,thought  still it crashes. it seems that TRYING to acces it causes crash
[02:57] <LimCore> try defocusing pinetry with alt+tab, click around a lot, try closing kmail
[02:58] <LimCore> btw there are more bugs about kmail and pgp
[02:59] <LimCore> I would really like to have an OpenPGP client in ubuntu that actually is polished and works
[03:05] <LimCore> I think instead updating bug trackers,  just someone with Qt and kmail knowledge must look at this
[03:10] <persia> LimCore: Perhaps you could clearly document the steps to reproduce, given the treatment of the last bug.  If the developer can reproduce, there's a *much* higher chance it can be fixed.
[03:16] <LimCore> ok I thinkg we have some more info
[03:25] <LimCore> JontheEchidna: insturction how to reproduce more easly: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180741#c59
[03:25] <ubot4> KDE bug 180741 in general "crash in kmail (typeinfo name for, KMReaderWin::parseMsg)" [Crash,New]
[03:40] <LimCore> perhaps ubuntu can get its funds and aid development of most critical apps
[03:40] <LimCore> like, to have one really good email clients
[03:40] <LimCore> kmail would be perfect.. but it has few bugs.  Similar as krusader would be perfect file manager
[03:41] <persia> Um, "Ubuntu" doesn't really have funds, per se.  The Ubuntu Foundation has funds, but those are in trust for the future if unexpected things happen.
[03:42] <persia> For now, Ubuntu is entirely based on volunteer and sponsored activities.
[03:42] <persia> But Ubuntu doesn't control what sponsors choose to sponsor.
[03:43] <LimCore> how to quickly set up environment to build current version of kmail and try to fix something in it?
[03:43] <persia> !sbuild
[03:43] <ubot4> sbuild is a system to easily build packages in a clean schroot environment.  To get started with SBuild, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SbuildLVMHowto
[03:43] <persia> !pbuilder
[03:43] <ubot4> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:43] <persia> Install one of those, apt-get source kmail, fiddle the source, and build.
[03:43] <LimCore> I think 90% of developers will not help, because they do not have time for entry cost
[03:43] <persia> Ask in #kubuntu-devel if you need help mangling the source
[03:44] <LimCore> I feel like it will take 100 hours to get to know the tools and libs, and 5 to fix the bug
[03:44] <persia> (maybe there's a better channel, but #kubuntu-devel can point you there better than I)
[03:44] <LimCore> seems to be obstibcle for foss model
[03:54] <Hobbsee> LimCore: 'ubuntu' actually already has a couple of pretty reasonable email apps. your issue is with kubuntu
[03:54] <Hobbsee> fwiw
[03:59] <Hobbsee> LimCore: that being said, you can easily run things like thunderbird on kubuntu, which I found behaved better than kmail
[04:02] <micahg> LimCore: are you running kubuntu?
[07:54] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[08:36] <LimCore_> Hobbsee: micahg: I tested thunderbird (and evolution some time ago) they are not advanced enough, only kmail provides some functionallity. Functionallity that I look for was for example provided, around 8 years ago, before I was even using linux, by program "thebat" for example. Now best what linux offers doesnt do even 60% of that function, and closest application that is usable for business (kmail) have lots of bugs, from which one
[08:36] <LimCore_> crashbug exists since 2006
[08:38] <micahg> LimCore_: you have to understand that projects cannot get to all bugs, unless there is either a lot of people asking for it, the bug affect a lot of people, or the developer wants to fix it, it probably will not get attention.  That's why patches are always welcome, there are not enough developer hours to fix every bug
[08:40] <LimCore_> micahg: the bug in question have over 6 duplicates on bugs.kde.org, and was reporetd/commented by a lot of people there and in ubuntu and probably in other places too
[08:41] <LimCore_> you say patches, ok
[08:41] <LimCore_> lets look how it will go
[08:41] <micahg> LimCore_: it seems like the steps to reproduce were not clear enough to warrant it having been closed
[08:41]  * micahg scrolls up to see how your conversation went
[08:41] <LimCore_> I will be learning QT, including tricks and kludges (since this is causing bug) for 80 hours
[08:41] <LimCore_> I will be learning internals of kmail for 40 hours
[08:41] <LimCore_> then I will fix the bug in 5 hours
[08:42] <LimCore_> 125 vs 5 is why I makes not too much sence that I fix it
[08:42] <LimCore_> and that is the optimistic version
[08:43] <LimCore_> I belive most developers are in simillar positon; if they now the tools and libs, they still need to learn the entire application inner-workings
[08:45] <micahg> LimCore_: that's usually not necessary if the patch already exists like was suggested to you earler
[08:45] <micahg> you can use the debian build system to apply the patch
[08:46] <micahg> LimCore_: BTW, thunderbird and enigmail work great together
[08:47]  * micahg hopes to have enigmail updated for lucid with TB3
[08:47] <LimCore_> but it turned out it was never patched, just that for JontheEchidna the bug did not happen, and it appeared that the source of bug (selecting other msg while pinentry is open) is removed. (but it turns out just TRYING to select other msg also causes crash)
[08:47] <LimCore_> micahg: now, they fail
[08:47] <LimCore_> s/now/no
[08:47] <LimCore_> want to debug it with me actually?
[08:47] <LimCore_> I was recommending coworhers to use TB, but we turned out it fails with PGP, so I was going to recommend kmail but it crashes all the time, so what should I now recommend, windows? ;)
[08:48] <micahg> LimCore_: yes, because the steps to reproduce weren't clear enough for him to conclude the bug wasn't fixed...wfm is a common resolution in bug trackers
[08:48] <LimCore_> *coworkers (lol)
[08:48] <micahg> LimCore_: I used it with PGP in Ubuntu, TB2 + enigmail from repos
[08:48] <micahg> worked great
[08:48] <LimCore_> micahg: do you want to debug Thunderbird PGP bug?
[08:48] <micahg> LimCore_: sure, when I'm a little more awake
[08:49] <micahg> LimCore_: what tz are you in?
[08:49] <LimCore_> thunderbird-sometimes-sends-attachments-outside-of-encr-signed-part  and  thunderbird-does-not-show-that-message-from-kmail-was-signed
[08:49] <LimCore_> almost 10:00 in the morning here
[08:49] <micahg> k, so your UTC +1
[08:49] <micahg> LimCore_: let's see if TB3 + enigmail works for you
[08:50] <micahg> do you have 64 bit or 32 bit?
[09:16] <LimCore_> 64b
[09:16] <LimCore_> micahg: what is your email?
[09:16] <micahg> my nick at ubuntu dot com
[09:18]  * LimCore_ just crashed kmail again \o
[09:18] <LimCore_> lets try again.
[09:20] <LimCore_> micahg: example information I sent you is of course confidential etc etc (so not to waste time bluring out stuff)
[09:21] <micahg> of course
[09:23] <LimCore_> sent
[09:24] <LimCore_> it would appear that emails with PGP can be either inline PGP or PGP/MIME.
[09:24] <LimCore_> with inline/PGP - the attachments are not sig+encr (as it is by definition)
[09:24] <LimCore_> with PGP/MIME, thunderbird is not showing if given decrytped message was signed or unsigned
[09:24] <LimCore_> so neither way works fully it would seem
[09:25] <micahg> LimCore_: my guess is it depends how enigmail is configured
[09:25] <LimCore_> in that email I just sent you, probably first message appears ok (encr+sign attach) because it was PGP/MIME then
[09:25] <LimCore_> all is on clean system, on default config
[09:25] <micahg> LimCore_: do you have 32 bit or 64 bit?
[09:25] <LimCore_> 9.10
[09:25] <LimCore_> 64
[09:25] <LimCore_> for box with kmail and for box with thunderbird
[09:26] <LimCore_> is my understanding of inline PGP  versus  PGP/MIME  above correct?
[09:26] <LimCore_> Hobbsee: btw, Thunderbird is dissqualified for me for not having:  1) good templates   2) always-CC-to field (only always-BCC-to exists.. why they could not done it fully)
[09:28] <micahg> LimCore_: TB3 has a lot of enhancements, almost 3 years of development
[09:28] <LimCore_> how to use that in our 9.10 ubuntu?
[09:28] <micahg> unfortunately, since you're using 64 bit, you'll have to wait until I can get a 64 bit enigmail packaged
[09:28] <micahg> upstream only does 32 bit
[09:28] <LimCore_> ITS YOU!  /me sets up a bomb
[09:29] <LimCore_> well, if you do it I can help testing ;)
[09:29] <micahg> LimCore_: I have a PPA with a test build of the final version of TB3, but it's still called shredder
[09:29] <LimCore_> shredder? not stable?
[09:33] <micahg> LimCore_: it's the stable version, just w/out the branding
[09:33] <micahg> I'm working on that too
[09:38] <LimCore_> branding?
[09:38] <LimCore_> you think I care about some logo, for my work? :)
[09:38] <LimCore_> if thats the only problem with it, then its not any problem
[09:40] <micahg> LimCore_: that's the only thing missing from it
[09:40] <micahg> but we don't have 64 bit enigmail yet
[09:42] <LimCore_> uhm
[09:42] <LimCore_> where it can be ready?
[09:42] <LimCore_> will that go into ubuntu 9.10 once done?
[09:44] <micahg> LimCore_: idk if it'll go into 9.10, but for sure in Lucid
[09:44] <micahg> we might have a PPA for it
[09:45] <LimCore_> about enigmail.. is it possible to use your TB, and install enigmal "as on windows" so get this plugin thingy and then import plugin in the TB?
[09:45] <micahg> LimCore_: not on 64 bit
[09:46] <micahg> on 32 bit you can use the version from addons.mozilla.org
[09:48] <LimCore_> and mozilla.org is not providing 64b...?
[09:49] <micahg> LimCore_: no, it needs to be compiles against some things, it's not a normal extension
[10:32] <elleuca> I like to report a bug against a working but not recognized webcam (i.e. described using "UVC Camera" instead "$Vendor $Model"): do I've to open it against udev or .... ?
[10:33] <persia> elleuca: Actually, that's the kind of bug report we handle very badly, unfortunately.
[10:34] <persia> If lsusb gives the right vendor and model, you might report it against the application you're using.
[10:34] <persia> if lsusb doesn't give the right model, you want to report it to the usb device list maintainer
[10:34]  * persia hunts
[10:34] <elleuca> persia: yes, only the model is missing
[10:35] <persia> http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html has the instructions for submitting data to the USB ID repo.
[10:35] <elleuca> OK, thanks
[10:35] <persia> It may take some time for it to get to Ubuntu.
[10:37] <elleuca> I'll hack usb.ids meanwhile ;)
[10:38] <persia> Heh.  I usually just leave working but unidentified stuff alone after submitting.  There's a small (but significant) pleasure in having it be suddenly recognised after an upgrade and knowing it was me.
[10:38] <elleuca> :D
[10:58] <LimCore> I debugged some more
[10:58] <LimCore> Hobbsee: thunderbird is not usable for OpenPGP - it fails to show that message is Signed, for sig+encr messages that are in the PGP/MIME format (that is prefered, and that is only format that will work for attachments)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> LimCore: are you using the relevant extension?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> LimCore: given the number of bugs you seem to find in kmail, it would probably be worth you learning it to fix them
[11:31] <LimCore> Hobbsee: I just spend half our of mine and coworker's time to fully debug and document thigs bug. This is bug in thunderbird. Stand by for the report
[11:31] <LimCore> (fully - from user side so far)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> reminds me, i should file my bug on thunderbird.  wonder where my login details to their bugzilla are
[11:32] <LimCore> and this bug makes thunderbird totally useless for OpenPGP
[11:36] <Hobbsee> oh, nice, enigmail is updated for thunderbird 3.0
[11:39] <Hobbsee> and it crashes.  drat
[11:40] <LimCore> *cought*youdon'tsay*cought*
[11:40] <Hobbsee> ah well.  works better for me than the other email software
[11:40] <LimCore> kmail is tottally the best mail software
[11:40] <LimCore> if only it would not crash, it outperforms every other about the feautures it has
[11:41] <LimCore> *available for linux
[11:41] <Hobbsee> good luck in making it not crash, then
[11:41] <LimCore> well.. we must fix it
[11:41] <Hobbsee> go on then
[11:42]  * LimCore grabs a hammer
[11:42] <LimCore> ok what's next
[11:42] <LimCore> as I said Im not qt nor kmail devel
[11:42] <LimCore> it would take x10 more time to figure out heads and tails and to get started, for me, then for proper developer for this task to fix this bugs
[11:42] <Hobbsee> neither am i, but from what i've seen, kde offer good devel documents
[11:43] <Hobbsee> well, talk to the kmail developers, and offer them incentives so they'll prioritise it
[11:43] <LimCore> are gay jokes ok on this channel?
[11:43] <persia> No.
[11:43] <LimCore> perhaps every user should pay a bit
[11:44] <Hobbsee> or every user who cares about it, sure
[11:44] <LimCore> I would totally pay 5 usd for working kmail
[11:44] <Hobbsee> then offer it to the kmail devs, and see what they say
[11:44] <Hobbsee> but that's a valid way of getting stuff fixed
[11:45] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, i think they frequent #kde-devel and whatever channels kmail has
[11:45] <Hobbsee> so you'll have to relay here how you go
[11:45] <persia> And you might do better if you can find the 500 other people who would pay 5 USD for the feature and collect the monies in escrow before offering payment.
[11:45] <LimCore> can someone sell kmail?
[11:46] <LimCore> because QT license (like 2000) seems an obsticle... or perhaps sell it as GPL still
[11:46] <LimCore> unfortunatelly no way to bring kmail to windows.... or?
[12:05]  * fujimitsu just reproduced bug 330127
[12:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 330127 in openobject-server "double entry in partners" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/330127
[12:06] <fujimitsu> 300127
[12:09] <fujimitsu> kubuntu 9.10 x64
[12:14] <persia> fujimitsu: Well, it's confirmed already.  Just needs someone to track down ehy it's happening.
[12:14] <persia> Without frame 0, this tends to be hard :)
[12:16]  * fujimitsu is preparing backtrace to add to 300127 report
[12:28] <LimCore> thunderbird fails to use openpgp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/enigmail/+bug/504738
[12:28] <ubot4> LimCore: Error: This bug is private
[12:28]  * LimCore unprivate's it
[12:29] <LimCore> please confirm it, I confirmed it with 3 people, and set importance? I belive it should be Medium? Since there is no good work around and it makes people use less secure methods when they want to be secure (openpgp)
[12:32] <persia> Isn't this a well-known issue upstream?
[12:32] <LimCore> dunno, do you have any url?
[12:33] <persia> No.  In fact, I only found http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/enigmail/2009-May/011158.html
[12:35] <LimCore> known
[12:35] <LimCore> 5777    	nor  	P3  	All<EMAIL_ADDRESS>	RESO  	FIXE  	PGP/MIME Signed & encrypted Messages identified as "Decrypted" only (violates RFC3156)
[12:35] <LimCore> https://www.mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=5777
[12:35] <ubot4> www.mozdev.org bug 5777 in GUI "PGP/MIME Signed & encrypted Messages identified as "Decrypted" only (violates RFC3156)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[12:36] <LimCore>   ------- Comment  #19 From Patrick Brunschwig  2009-05-19 06:43:51  -------
[12:36] <LimCore> A small miracle happened: fixed on trunk :-)
[12:36] <LimCore> guys please please import that as fast as possible =)
[12:38] <LimCore> how to set in that bug so that it links to mozdev.org tracker?  "Affect also distribution" ?
[12:38] <fujimitsu> whats the -dbg for kmail
[12:39] <LimCore> -dbgsym ?
[12:39] <LimCore> kmail-dbgsym
[12:40] <persia> LimCore: Also affects project is for upstream links
[12:40] <fujimitsu> i got kdelibs5-dbg but i see some symbols stil missing
[12:42] <LimCore> fujimitsu: you read what I written? :)
[12:43] <fujimitsu> yes, got it
[12:43] <LimCore> Hobbsee: perhaps that fix can be applied to thunderbird/enigmail to the current versions (before moving to TB 3, that is time consuimg because of enigmail incompatibilities)? then we could have it already in 9.10 and quite soon, hopefully?
[12:44] <LimCore> fujimitsu: are you debugging something in kmail?
[12:47] <fujimitsu> 300127
[12:47] <fujimitsu> your bug
[12:47] <LimCore> \o
[12:47] <LimCore> bug 300127
[12:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 300127 in kdepim "crash when selecting email when input-passphrase/pin (OpenPGP) window is open and then canceled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300127
[12:48] <LimCore> so you did reproduce it?
[12:48] <fujimitsu> yes
[12:48] <LimCore> anything more usefull can be provided then backtrace?
[12:49] <LimCore> we could valgrid it I guess
[12:49] <persia> valgrind is only useful if it's a memory leak.
[12:49] <LimCore> or bad ptr deref
[12:50] <LimCore> of unitilaized mem access.. its quite usefull. I will just valgrid it for fun
[12:50] <fujimitsu> kmail just forgot my account after crash too
[12:50] <LimCore> haha owned
[12:51] <LimCore> I love when this happes. Happened like 10 times to me.. over the years.
[12:51] <fujimitsu> indeed.. at least pgp decryption worked as expected tho
[12:51] <LimCore> it loosed your templates too, if you had custom =)
[12:51] <fujimitsu> should i say gpg anyway
[12:51] <LimCore> what is speciall about Ubuntu are meta bugs - bugs seen WHILE reporting other buggs. My personal best is quadruple bug
[12:53] <fujimitsu> LimCore: also .. kgpg is crashes on start .. you mentioned an unrelated bug about it yesterday too
[12:54] <LimCore> yes I did \o/
[12:54] <LimCore> I wish I could get a quoter every time I hit a bug.
[12:54] <LimCore> then I could totally sponsor rewritting of kmail
[12:55] <fujimitsu> looks like there is some work to be done there, yes
[12:55] <LimCore> btw new bug: kmail fails to run if in valgrind
[12:55] <LimCore> probaby it takes too long and DBus times out or something
[12:59] <LimCore> fujimitsu: if you lost account settings, perhaps you wish to relate to bug 459206
[12:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 459206 in kdepim "Setting up new account is time consuming bullshit" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/459206
[13:00] <fujimitsu> it's just a few keystrokes.. more annoyance than time-consuming really
[13:01] <LimCore>  /if/ you know the process allready. Try it with newbie
[13:01] <LimCore> anyway its indeed upstream-only concern
[13:03] <persia> LimCore: I don't suppose you'd edt that bug title to be family-friendly?
[13:03] <persia> Thanks :)
[13:04] <LimCore> I just did before you written :)
[13:05] <persia> Reading my mind is always the best way to make me say Thanks so quickly :)
[13:15]  * fujimitsu installs kdepim-dbg
[13:21] <fujimitsu> alright.. looks like i got all symbols now ..
[14:14] <LimCore> what the....
[14:14] <LimCore> guys...
[14:14] <LimCore> sorting of columns does not work.. in kde in general??  Fails in kmail and in kgpg. Clicking on column header does not sort
[14:29] <LimCore> fujimitsu: kmail:  does clicking on colu,mn headrs in messages view changes sorting order? should it?  im using some advanced view there in kmail.    Same question for kgpg
[14:36] <fujimitsu> LimCore: not sure what you mean.. also, kgpg does not run for me
[14:37] <fujimitsu> however, if sorting order is not changed by function, guess it shouldnt
[14:48] <LimCore> fujimitsu: you are unable to at all start kgpg/
[14:48] <LimCore> ?
[14:49] <LimCore> what are QA teams doing...  perhaps there is some systemic fix to that, like better organization in some way
[14:50] <fujimitsu> it crashes on start. dont even get to see its interface
[14:50]  * LimCore hands fujimitsu a POLL   [ ] lolololol   [ ] totall fail   [ ] I'm speachless
[14:50] <LimCore> Im now in the 3rd phase, Im speachless
[14:50] <Hobbsee> LimCore: tis probably doable.
[14:50] <Hobbsee> speechless, and apparently without a dictionary ;)
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> kgpg hides it's systray icon by default. make sure you're just not missing it
[14:51] <LimCore> Hobbsee: was it as bad with 8.10?  I thought overall I had not su really really many bugs
[14:51] <LimCore> fujimitsu: it is not just traybared is it? ;)
[14:51] <Hobbsee> LimCore: i've never found any of the releases terribly buggy (er, excluding some intel fun on one of the releases).  As for kmail and kdepim, i don't think a lot of attention is put in to them, and i don't think most people use them
[14:51] <LimCore> Hobbsee: do you really want me to open konversation integrate ispell wish bug ;)
[14:52] <LimCore> what do people use then???
[14:52] <LimCore> kmail is most advanced emali client we have
[14:52] <Hobbsee> thunderbird, it seems
[14:52] <LimCore> if we want business and professionals to use linux we must improve
[14:52] <fujimitsu> JontheEchidna: you were right.. taskbar is a bit fuzzy to read .. application is there
[14:52] <jpds> Thunderbird, Evolution, ...
[14:52] <LimCore> well thunder is MUCH more plimited
[14:53] <LimCore> jpds: kmail seems more advance in every way
[14:53] <jpds> LimCore: </opinion>
[14:53] <Hobbsee> most people also don't test with kubuntu, as most people run ubuntu, too
[14:53] <fujimitsu> but why go to taskbar on start, seems counter intuitive to me as you can tell
[14:53] <LimCore> jpds: facts,  templates;  openpgp
[14:53] <LimCore> fujimitsu: that is in fact consusing around 10 of 10 people I seen
[14:53] <Hobbsee> and if you're going to file konversation bugs, file them upstream ;)
[14:53] <LimCore> lets make kgpg not traybar on start
[14:54] <LimCore> also it is a problem for no-traybar / no desktop manager setups (like ssh -X)
[14:55] <LimCore> well I never got this kubuntu / ubuntu nonsense
[14:55] <LimCore> what is the difference?
[14:55] <Hobbsee> have you heard of this thing called gnome?
[14:55] <LimCore> if I use some apps from KDE then this makes me Kubuntu user? what the
[14:55] <LimCore> I run gnome WM. or kde, or I swithc them. I run some apps from gnome some from kde
[14:55] <LimCore> so Im ubuntu or kubuntu user
[14:56] <Hobbsee> most people on ubuntu don't tend to run kde apps
[14:56] <LimCore> ....
[14:56] <Hobbsee> i happen to, but most don't
[14:56] <Hobbsee> well, using gnome, anyway
[14:56] <LimCore> why not run very good applications?  what does it count what tools given program uses?
[14:56] <LimCore> this makes 0 sense to me
[14:57] <Hobbsee> personal preference?
[14:57] <fujimitsu> its about presentation.. you dont serve wine in a beer mug
[14:58] <LimCore> what is this, some "rasism" about software applications? How can anyone base decission to use tool X or Y based on tools it uses??? (Apart from embbed). This is least resonable thing I heared here in 2009-2010
[14:58] <fujimitsu> hence kwin for qt drinks and gnome for gtk drinks.. makes sense
[14:58] <fujimitsu> kwin on gnome looks ugly
[14:59] <LimCore> you would base decission to use X or Y based on it's looks?  :O
[14:59] <jpds> LimCore: Easier to support a common toolkit on one?
[14:59] <fujimitsu> LimCore: i am all for consistency .. yes
[14:59] <LimCore> so.. discard awesome tools because they use kde?
[15:00] <fujimitsu> you can mix and match all you want but thats a personal choice ..
[15:00] <LimCore> I hope other users have more sense
[15:01] <LimCore> we have awesome programs like kmail and krusader (although buggy) but Ubutnu should do things to invite people to try them out.. not this "omg its kde.. not want"
[15:01] <LimCore> other programs, for email, seem x2 less advance, like some 2000 year software and/or written by amishes by comparsion - missing functions, options, detaikls
[15:02]  * Hobbsee notes that this has gone extremely far from the topic of the channel, and has turned into a rant
[15:05] <LimCore> ok then, we should invest more efforts in fixing the program that clearly is most advanced email client - kmail;  If that statement is not obvious then I can make it more specyfic
[15:06] <Hobbsee> then i wish you luck in fixing it
[15:07] <jpds> LimCore: apt-get source kmail - it's all there if you want to fix it.
[15:08] <bddebian> Boo
[15:08] <bddebian> Go home thekorn :)
[15:11] <thekorn> bddebian, bah, it's Friday! you are  two hours too late ;)
[15:12] <bddebian> Doh :)
[15:16] <fujimitsu> so, kgpg seems to be in taskbar but it does not responde on click. instead one must look for its systray icon to bring it up .. thats what am having here
[15:20] <fujimitsu> and since its hidden, then one could think application did not start at all
[15:21] <fujimitsu> top doesnt even list it as a running process as far as i can tell
[15:23] <LimCore> fujimitsu: all users EVER that I told to run kgpg, always responded - I did but it did not start. Open a bug,  I can confirm it
[15:23] <fujimitsu> kde is wierd
[15:24] <LimCore> this strange behaviour is unique to kgpg
[15:24] <fujimitsu> pretty, yes.. but weird behaviour
[15:25] <fujimitsu> so much for security thru obscurity
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> bug 470695
[15:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 470695 in kdeutils "Kgpg doesn't run by default" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/470695
[15:25] <JontheEchidna> it's not on purpose, I can tell you that
[15:26] <JontheEchidna> there's a bug at kde's tracker too
[15:26] <fujimitsu> task bar should be easier to read
[15:27] <fujimitsu> <-- kde4.3 here
[15:27] <fujimitsu> more like, its systray
[15:28] <LimCore> can we set priority of that bug>
[17:35] <fujimitsu> gdb just reported "/usr/bin/chromium-browser": not in executable format: File format not recognized
[17:38] <fujimitsu> wierdly enough, it looked like wine was trying to open it for a second, of course it didnt succeed either
[17:40] <fujimitsu> and this was after i reinstalled chromium via kpackagekit too
[17:40] <fujimitsu> it was null before that, so i thought i'd try reinstalling
[17:41] <hggdh> fujimitsu: check is /usr/bin/chromium-browser is a real binary -- it might be a shell script, eventually calling the real binary. You cannot GDB a shell script...
[17:41] <hggdh> and I have seen that with some packages
[17:42] <fujimitsu> well.. i was using chromium fine today.. suddenly this happens..
[17:42] <hggdh> heh. EXT4?
[17:42] <fujimitsu> yes
[17:44] <fujimitsu> i checked the path, file was present but wouldnt run
[17:47] <hggdh> fujimitsu: what *type* of file is it? run ' file /usr/bin/...>' on it
[17:48] <yofel> hggdh: shell script
[17:48] <hggdh> yofel: thanks
[17:48] <yofel> fujimitsu: please run 'chromium-browser -g' if you want to run it in gdb
[17:48] <yofel> (it will start gdb itself)
[17:48] <hggdh> fujimitsu: run ' sh -x /usr/bin/<whatever>'  and see where it fails before that
[17:49] <hggdh> may very well be a shell issue
[17:51] <fujimitsu> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 138: realloc: Assertion `ptr == alloc_last_block' failed!
[17:54] <asac> thats known
[17:54] <asac> regression in todays daily
[17:54] <asac> fta is on it
[17:54] <asac> no solution in sight thouh
[17:55] <fujimitsu> very well.. i'll back down from bug reporting then
[17:55] <asac> i will try to get a chromium bug id
[17:56] <fujimitsu> asac: think it good idea to remove and install tomorrow ?
[17:56] <asac> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=31809
[17:56] <asac> star that bug (dont comment)
[17:57] <asac> fujimitsu: ^^
[17:57] <fujimitsu> got it
[18:23] <greg-g> hah "Ack, sorry, this bug had so many useless comments I missed that this occurs on
[18:23] <greg-g> multiple systems."
[18:27] <hggdh> er, what? ;-)
[18:47] <Thingymebob> I'm trying to get #503548 exactly where it belongs, I'm pretty sure its a xorg/nv issue. How do I determine which is the problem
[18:53] <yofel> Thingymebob: please post bug numbers as 'bug 503548' so the bot can fetch it please ;)
[18:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 503548 in indicator-applet "'Switch user' option performs 'Lock screen' action" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503548
[18:53] <yofel> (so that we know what you're talking about)
[18:57] <Thingymebob> yofel thanks for the tip
[21:43] <WeatherGod> I need to flag someone down to take a look at a bug report I have been working on for a while now
[21:43] <WeatherGod> I am not sure where the fault is, but it is a problem with mounting a CDROM drive
[21:44] <WeatherGod> it is a regression bug, at the very least
[21:44] <WeatherGod> bug 478962
[21:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 478962 in linux "After upgrade to Karmic, CD/DVD drive no longer works" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/478962
[21:45] <WeatherGod> I finally got the user to get their system fully updated and got an apport-collect of device-kit
[21:46] <charlie-tca> the cd's should be there, they just won't show up on desktop or in /media if they are audio cd's
[21:46] <WeatherGod> is that a new behavior?
[21:46] <charlie-tca> yes, in karmic
[21:47]  * WeatherGod slaps forehead
[21:47] <WeatherGod> so, how does it appear for rhythmbox?
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I believe we saw the cd on the desktop in jaunty, but in karmic, you don't see nothing and can't see them
[21:48] <charlie-tca> I don't use it. for exaile and listen, you have to tell it to go to the disk itself, then it will show you the songs on it
[21:48] <WeatherGod> the user is around 70 years old...
[21:48] <WeatherGod> I gotta make it a very simple explanation for her
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I thought they fixed all the missing cd bugs after the release. Even brassero will now burn images again, but the blank no longer shows up on the desktop.
[21:50] <WeatherGod> I don't have a optical drive for my Ubuntu machine, so I don't know what sort of issues are happening for this
[21:53] <charlie-tca> let me call up rhythmbox and check it for you
[21:53] <WeatherGod> thanks
[22:05] <charlie-tca> WeatherGod: I think the bug is valid. According to help, "When an Audio CD is inserted, it will appear in the side pane", but it does not appear. I can't get rhythmbox to play the cd.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> oops, found it.
[22:06] <WeatherGod> oh?
[22:07] <charlie-tca> You have to click on Music in the left pane, then import file, then click on the cd in the file manager that opens. Then the cd will appear under devices. then click the cd and the tracks appear in rhythmbox.
[22:07] <WeatherGod> you have got to be kidding me
[22:07] <charlie-tca> It does not automatically show the cd
[22:07] <charlie-tca> I just did it
[22:07] <charlie-tca> yes, it is not easy
[22:07] <WeatherGod> and this is supposed to be user-friendly how?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> I don't know, it took me 6 months to get exaile to play anything
[22:08] <WeatherGod> is exaile something new (never heard of it)
[22:08] <crimsun> ufft, it took me six years to get sound working </troll>
[22:08] <WeatherGod> :-P
[22:09] <WeatherGod> and you still have a long ways to go, crimsun
[22:09] <WeatherGod> your drivers are still farting at the children
[22:09] <crimsun> aye, I need to make them release eggs to the face, too
[22:09] <WeatherGod> haha
[22:10] <charlie-tca> We use exaile in Xubuntu
[22:10]  * charlie-tca thinks crimsun can make any sound work
[22:10] <WeatherGod> anyway... those instructions are completely unacceptable for me to give to a 70-year old gardener
[22:10] <WeatherGod> not a rant on you, of course... just rhythmbox
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Well.... that is how to make it work. that makes the bug more wishlist for easier usability.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> It does make life harder, though
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Worst part - help doesn't help
[22:11] <WeatherGod> I wonder why this behavior started, though...
[22:12] <WeatherGod> maybe something to do with removal of HAL?
[22:15] <hggdh> well, we can always look at this as an usability issue -- then it is a real bug (i.e., not wishlist)
[22:16] <WeatherGod> I agree
[22:16]  * hggdh is personally *very* happy crimsun has not given up on sound
[22:16] <WeatherGod> I am giving the user a set of instructions for her to follow, with the explanation that we know this to not be ideal
[22:17] <hggdh> WeatherGod: please remember to set it as a workaround ;-)
[22:17] <WeatherGod> that way, we can at least confirm the issue at hand
[22:17] <WeatherGod> hggdh: in the summary, you mean?
[22:23] <WeatherGod> charlie-tca: just to clear up the instructions...
[22:23] <WeatherGod> you say to click on the CD in the file selection dialog
[22:23] <WeatherGod> that is in the panel on the left
[22:24] <WeatherGod> then do you select "Open"?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> no, wait a minute and we will go through it
[22:24] <charlie-tca> put the cd in the drive; nothing happens that the user can see.
[22:24] <charlie-tca> open rhythmbox
[22:25] <jibel> bdmurray, hi
[22:25] <WeatherGod> ok
[22:25] <jibel> bdmurray, there's a small issue with the latest firefox_lp_improvements
[22:26] <charlie-tca> click "Music" in the left panel
[22:26] <WeatherGod> right-click
[22:26] <charlie-tca> right click
[22:26] <jibel> bdmurray, could you please check bug 504956
[22:26] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 504956 in launchpad-gm-scripts "partially hidden comment in bug report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/504956
[22:26] <charlie-tca> then left-click "Import file"
[22:27] <WeatherGod> ok, with you so far
[22:27] <charlie-tca> a file manager will open; on the left panel, left-click the "Audio Disc"
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Then left-click "Open¨
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Now in Rhythmbox, in the left pane, is a new item "Devices" with a cd image under it
[22:28] <WeatherGod> ok, just wanted to make sure...
[22:28] <WeatherGod> good to double-check these things
[22:29] <charlie-tca> left-click the disc image, and the tracks appear in the right pane
[22:29] <bdmurray> jibel: I am looking at it now, that's quite odd
[22:29] <charlie-tca> now you can click the track you want and left-click play
[22:29] <WeatherGod> awesome
[22:29] <charlie-tca> what a nightmare
[22:30] <charlie-tca> To close it, you have to click the speakers in the system tray; right click it and left click on "quit"
[22:30] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:31] <WeatherGod> well, that's normal for Rhythmbox
[22:31] <WeatherGod> I wonder if you have to do that for every change of CD
[22:31] <WeatherGod> even if you don't shutdown rhythmbox
[22:33] <charlie-tca> let's see
[22:33] <xteejx> hey guys
[22:35] <xteejx> I'm looking at bug 96676 in gnome-terminal, its been reported upstream, has been a problem since Edgy and upstream haven't done anything with it, although the gnome bugtracker has been updated to include karmic as affected....help?
[22:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 96676 in vte "function keys don't work in gnome-terminal" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/96676
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I pulled the cd, and put in a new one, now I have to go through the same procedure to get to it. The speaker box is still in system tray, though
[22:35] <WeatherGod> heh
[22:35] <charlie-tca> xteejx: they still don't work?
[22:36] <xteejx> charlie-tca: apparently not :(
[22:37] <charlie-tca> switch to xfce4-terminal, they work there as far as I know
[22:37] <xteejx> charlie-tca: nice idea, but it doesn't help the bug report, i'm just wondering how to continue the triage of this
[22:37] <xteejx> its been a while
[22:40] <charlie-tca> sure has. Any way to push gnome team on it?
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Looks like they have to take action first.
[22:41] <xteejx> havent a clue, ive updated the bug report
[22:41] <xteejx> the one on the gnome bugtracker i mean
[22:42] <charlie-tca> That should help.
[22:43] <xteejx> i updated it almost 4 months ago stating that karmic was affected with 2.28 gnome release
[22:43] <xteejx> nothing's been touched
[22:43] <xteejx> GNOME bug 425462
[22:43] <ubot4> Gnome bug 425462 in VteTerminal "function keys don't work in gnome-terminal" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425462
[22:43] <xteejx> 2 months ago**
[22:44] <charlie-tca> They might consider a low priority
[22:44] <xteejx> hmmm or forgot about it
[22:50] <xteejx> no-one awake in #gnome :(


[02:00] <zhsj> hi, could someone retry this build?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-1.22/1.22.2-1/+build/28024275 it looks like a known flaky test
[02:07] <dbungert> zhsj: clicking
[02:10] <zhsj> dbungert: thanks
[02:25] <zhsj> sad, same test fails
[08:51] <wooosaiiii> Hi, I have issues with pppd and have found a patch here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ppp/+bug/1858349
[08:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1858349 in ppp (Ubuntu) "EAP-MSCHAPv2 support" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[08:52] <wooosaiiii> is there some documentation or howto, on how to build pppd with applied patch for 20.04?
[13:08] <mkukri> tree mir patch was causing an autopkgtest regression. can someone sponsor this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tree/+bug/2056099
[13:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2056099 in tree (Ubuntu) "[MIR] tree" [Undecided, In Progress]
[13:20] <schopin> mkukri: this should have been filed in a new bug rather than squatting the MIR bug :)
[13:22] <mkukri> okay point taken. in this case it took less time to fix this then filing a bug would have :)
[13:22] <mkukri> also it's stopping the patch wanted for the MIR from migrating
[13:24] <schopin> mkukri: sure, but now any sponsor will have to deal with skimming through the entire MIR to find your patch at the bottom. Also, if nobody picks it up before the freeze where would you put your FFe? ;)
[13:26] <schopin> mkukri: (looking at it, btw)
[13:26] <mkukri> thanks
[13:26] <schopin> what fresh hell is that? oO
[13:27] <mkukri> there is an autopkgtest that basically 'expect's on the output of the tree on the tree source tree itself.
[13:27] <mkukri> the previous patch added a new file to the source tree but not to the expected output
[13:28] <mkukri> it uses this thing btw https://github.com/aureliojargas/clitest
[13:31] <schopin> Like I said: fresh hell. Using its own source tree as its test data is horrible for anyone coming into the codebase.
[13:33] <mkukri> dont get me wrong im with you on that, but it's not my design, or not even ours either, that part comes from debian
[13:39] <schopin> I know :)
[15:11] <schopin> mkukri: sry, it took a bit of time, but tree is uploaded. I amended a bit the changelog to add a bug ref (and created said bug)
[15:15] <mkukri> schopin thank you
[15:16] <schopin> yw
[15:29] <bdmurray> "what fresh hell" ;-)
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> schopin, a bit of time_t you mean? :)
[15:31] <LocutusOfBorg> SCNR
[15:32] <schopin> No, it wasn't related to time_t at all. Nor xz-utils, for that matter.
[15:34] <ogra_> dang ... and it was such a nice joke ...
[15:36] <schopin> oh wow. That flew right over my head.
[16:05] <ahasenack> I still didn't get it
[17:49] <mkukri> it was a random easy bug i found while looking through update excuses


[00:35] <godbyk> c7p: Good question.  Perhaps because it's specific to having a CD-R or DVD-R drive?
[00:35] <godbyk> c7p: An argument could be made for moving that section.  Especially since those drives are fairly commonplace these days.
[00:36] <c7p> i dont know :D
[00:36] <c7p> ah yes
[00:36] <c7p> im of the same opinion
[00:37] <godbyk> when creating the list of oneiric changes, it'd be useful to also suggestion which chapter/section(s) are affected (if you know).
[00:38] <c7p> have you seen the list on the pad ?
[00:38] <godbyk> I haven't. Can you send me the link again?
[00:44] <c7p> yea
[00:44] <c7p> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/oneiric-changes
[00:45] <c7p> godbyk: and by the way here it is the list of what contributors we need http://ietherpad.com/OneiricChapters . It's almost finished.
[00:46] <godbyk> Amazing work, c7p!
[00:46] <c7p> thx :D
[00:48] <c7p> i g2g, tomorrow i'll start working on Ubuntu Desktop and finish the list
[00:51] <godbyk> 'kay. see you later, c7p.
[12:54] <c7p> godbyk: ping


[04:50] <pitti> Good morning
[05:10] <didrocks> good morning
[05:33] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[05:40] <didrocks> salut pitti, ça va ?
[05:41] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien ! j'ai joué au basket hier soir pour la première fois après les vacances d'été, je sense mes muscles :)
[05:41] <pitti> c'était grand
[05:44] <didrocks> ahah, j'imagine :)
[05:44]  * didrocks ne peut pas courir à cause du temps…
[05:44] <didrocks> beaucoup de vent et de pluie
[05:45] <pitti> didrocks: ah, quelle domage .. aujourd'hui on a du soleil à nouveau
[05:45] <pitti> "dommage", non ?
[05:45] <didrocks> "dommage", oui
[06:01] <hikiko> hello
[06:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:07] <seb128> hey hikiko
[06:07] <didrocks> re seb128, hey hikiko
[06:08] <seb128> desrt, Laney, larsu, could you look if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1495173 is a glib bug? Trevinho seems to think so (though he didn't comment on the bug to say so)
[06:13] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[06:14] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va bien ! Et toi ?
[06:15] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien aussi ! je sense mes muscles, jouer au basket hier soir (la première fois après les vacances de l'été)
[06:15] <pitti> il a me manqué
[06:16] <pitti> ^ (is that right for "I missed it"?)
[06:16] <seb128> hehe, moi c'est pareil avec le tennis ;-)
[06:16] <pitti> seb128: ah, très bien ! ♥ sports
[06:16] <seb128> "ça m'a manqué"
[06:16] <seb128> il would be for somebody
[06:16] <pitti> ah
[06:16]  * TheMuso waves to deskoppers... some of whom are around early it seems. :)
[06:17] <pitti> TheMuso: the early bird .. can bite me .. or so :)
[06:17] <pitti> TheMuso: hey, how are you?
[06:18]  * pitti retreats again to spend a nice hour or two with his favorite girl britney
[06:18] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[06:27] <TheMuso> pitti: Well thanks. :)
[06:37] <hikiko> hey didrocks seb128 pitti TheMuso etc sorry I was making coffee and missed the handshake :D how are you?
[06:37] <TheMuso> hikiko: Fine thanks.
[06:41] <pitti> hey hikiko! I'm great, thanks; how about yourself/
[06:42] <hikiko> i am good :)
[06:44] <seb128> hikiko, doing good thanks ;-)
[06:44] <hikiko> :D
[07:12] <larsu> good morning!
[07:12] <larsu> seb128: I can have a look
[07:12] <seb128> larsu, hey, thanks
[07:12] <pitti> it's a larsu ! *hug*
[07:12]  * larsu needs to make a tea first, though
[07:13] <larsu> guten morgen pitti  :)
[07:33]  * seb128 triages some of the unity bugs
[07:33] <larsu> this bug is ... tricky
[07:35] <seb128> larsu, do you see what's going on in there?
[07:36] <larsu> I"m trying to reproduce right now
[07:37] <larsu> it happens while writing the blacklist key
[07:37] <larsu> I wonder if that's a bug in gvariant
[07:37] <larsu> or if the variant that unity passes to dconf is corrupt
[07:40] <larsu> oh wow I can reproduce after trying it 20 times or so
[07:43] <larsu> ah, got it
[07:43] <larsu> it's using gvariant wrong
[07:48] <seb128> larsu, ah, Trevinho wrongly blaming glib then ;-)
[07:52] <larsu> seems like it
[07:52] <larsu> code looks good to me though
[07:52] <larsu> finding out where all these gvariant warnings are coming from
[07:55] <willcooke> hello you lot
[07:55] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke.
[07:55] <hikiko> hello willcooke
[07:55] <willcooke> evening TheMuso
[07:55] <willcooke> hey hikiko
[07:56] <hikiko> what's the name of the ubuntu kylin desktop channel? I didn't save it in my laptop and my desktop is pretty dead to start xchat atm
[07:57] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:57] <willcooke> hikiko, #nudt-canonical
[07:57] <hikiko> thanks willcooke :)
[07:57] <willcooke> soooooo, back splatter from the Grand Closing....
[07:57] <willcooke> 1 bug
[07:58] <willcooke> from Chipaca, which I've added to the rls-w-incoming list
[07:58] <willcooke> pretty good so far I think
[07:58] <willcooke> seb128, looks like you've run a script to close all the fix released ones too
[07:58] <seb128> willcooke, no, just going through the New ones manually
[07:59] <willcooke> ohhh
[07:59] <seb128> started by the oldest ones
[07:59] <seb128> and quite were fix released for unity but not unity (ubuntu)
[07:59] <willcooke> thanks for doing that
[07:59] <seb128> why oh why do we have the duplicates upstream/ubuntu component :-/
[07:59] <seb128> yw!
[08:00] <willcooke> seb128, I wonder what our options are for fixing that.  Trevinho has a script which can make sure bugs are synced between the two lists, and then we could just blanked close all of one list?
[08:00] <willcooke> or remove from the affects list
[08:00] <seb128> willcooke, I was pondering the close, but it would create quite some noise, not sure if that's worth it
[08:02] <larsu> reassign?
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:03] <seb128> larsu, reassign what to what?
[08:04] <larsu> seb128: one of the lists to the other
[08:04] <larsu> I think mpt was arguing for always using package bugs
[08:04] <seb128> right, that's what we do for other projects
[08:04] <seb128> the unity/compiz list are just busy enough that it would create quite some spam
[08:04] <seb128> unsure if that's worth it
[08:05] <larsu> fair enough
[08:06] <Laney> hey seb128 & larsu
[08:06] <Laney> doing PRETTY GOOD!
[08:06] <Laney> YOU?
[08:06] <larsu> awesome :)
[08:06]  * Laney has had two teas already
[08:06] <Laney> so I feel like TALKING IN CAPS A BIT
[08:06]  * larsu opens a window after building unity
[08:07] <Laney> oh, cool, thx for looking at that one
[08:07] <larsu> you're "welcome"
[08:07] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning!
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, doing good, thanks :-)
[08:08] <Laney> I did a source-only upload to Debian yesterday and it worked
[08:08] <Laney> we live in good times
[08:08] <Laney> hi pitti!
[08:10] <pitti> Laney: +1
[08:14] <hikiko> Trevinho, I can't reproduce the bug with the shadow... how many windows do I need?  I opened like 10 firefox windows yesterday :s
[08:14] <hikiko> do I need some plugin enabled?
[08:14] <hikiko> eg application switcher?
[08:15] <hikiko> (I tried with and without tbh)
[08:21]  * TheMuso -> EOD, night folks.
[08:23] <willcooke> cya TheMuso
[08:24] <Laney> late night TheMuso
[08:25] <Laney> actually it's not that late
[08:25] <Laney> interesting
[08:28] <larsu> hm, the crash I can reproduce has a vastly different stack trace
[08:29] <seb128> corruption?
[08:29] <seb128> oh, you mean compared to the one from the bug
[08:30] <seb128> not between retries
[08:30] <larsu> yes
[08:30] <Chipaca> willcooke: i back splattered wha?
[08:31] <willcooke> Chipaca, you complaining that bugs are still bugs and that we can't just ignore them.  sheesh.
[08:31] <Chipaca> willcooke: if it's about the email i forwarded you, my comment was that you were pointing to "errors.ubutnu.com"
[08:31] <willcooke> oh
[08:31] <willcooke> crap
[08:31] <Chipaca> willcooke: which is probably not where you were wanting to point them
[08:32] <Chipaca> willcooke: i'm fine with killing some bugs with fire :)
[08:32] <Chipaca> tried to point out a typo, is all
[08:32] <willcooke> Oh, got you - in which case, I will kill it
[08:32] <willcooke> and fix the typo
[08:33] <Laney> hmmmmm
[08:33] <seb128> ok, unity NEW 620 -> 507, not bad for an hour or so
[08:33] <seb128> time to make some coffee
[08:34] <willcooke> seb128, \o/
[08:35] <hikiko> I think I ll fix the cube textures and lighting until marco is back... I can't make that bug appear maybe my gpu is very new
[08:40] <larsu> hm, how do I run unity from inside the source tree?
[08:40]  * larsu has changes that are not picked up
[08:53] <seb128> larsu, dunno, maybe hikiko can help you?
[08:53] <seb128> since Trevinho seems not to be around yet
[08:54] <hikiko> larsu,
[08:54] <larsu> I would have thought setting some env var to point compiz to libunity-shell.so would be enough
[08:54] <hikiko> larsu, I usually build compiz and unity
[08:54] <hikiko> and nux
[08:55] <hikiko> larsu, here's what I do:
[08:55] <hikiko> https://ufuntu.wordpress.com/2015/08/16/part4-build/
[08:55] <hikiko> the 1st time
[08:56] <hikiko> then if I need to check something for example in unityshell I only build this directory
[08:56] <hikiko> or you can build it and replace the system's unityshell plugin with the build one
[08:56] <hikiko> (libunityshell.so)
[08:56] <hikiko> if you need to check something quickly
[08:56] <larsu> do I need to copy it over?
[08:56] <larsu> or can I tell compiz to use the one in my ~
[08:57] <larsu> COMPIZ_PLUGIN_DIR doesn't seem to work :/
[08:58] <larsu> oh it does ... but now everything crashes
[08:58] <larsu> (the trick is to add $PWD/plugins/unityshell)
[08:59] <hikiko> you can use: unity --replace ccp
[08:59] <hikiko> and COMPIZ_CONFIG_VERSION=ubuntu
[09:01] <larsu> hikiko: thanks!
[09:02] <hikiko> larsu, I hope it works, I usually only build compiz...
[09:03] <larsu> I was hoping to get around that (and it seems to work so far)
[09:03] <hikiko> with unity I mean: <your_installation_path>/bin/unity
[09:03] <hikiko> cool :)
[09:27] <Laney> larsu: does this https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-settings-daemon/lid-power-event/+merge/271383 feel good to you?
[09:30] <larsu> Laney: feels like they problably shouldn't connect to that signal again
[09:30] <larsu> but also feels like it should work and doesn't matter that much
[09:31] <Laney> ya, thanks
[09:35] <willcooke> w
[09:35] <willcooke> a
[09:35] <willcooke> l
[09:35] <willcooke> l
[09:35] <willcooke> p
[09:35] <willcooke> a
[09:35] <willcooke> p
[09:35] <willcooke> e
[09:35] <willcooke> r
[09:36] <larsu> someone messed with willcooke's xmodmap
[09:37] <hikiko> lol
[09:37] <willcooke> :D
[09:38] <willcooke> It's my cunning plan to make sure Phonronix don't spot it :)
[09:38] <willcooke> Let's take bets on how long it is before there is a news story after I open a bug with the wp in
[09:42] <Laney> they usually subscribe to the pre-filed bug
[09:43] <Laney> but if there was no one this time
[09:43] <Laney> will see it on wily-changes :)
[09:44] <willcooke> Laney, I've added it to my W machine and the dots on the lock screen dont line up with the lines on the wp
[09:45] <willcooke> I'm not sure if that is fixable, if the wallpaper is scaled, will it be impossible to line up correctly I wonder
[09:45] <Laney> hahaha
[09:46] <Laney> don't the dots scale too?
[09:46] <Laney> i.e. in the same relative position?
[09:46] <willcooke> oh, yeah, good point
[09:46] <Laney> (guessing)
[09:46] <willcooke> it's not out by much
[09:46]  * willcooke speaks to design
[09:46] <Laney> I pointed this out so that it would be checked before handover...
[09:47] <Laney> this doesn't tickle my OCD but it does some people evidently
[09:47] <Laney> like x_no_x
[09:48] <didrocks> mean Laney, doing experimentation on hilighting people ;)
[09:48] <Laney> that's the opposite of mean
[09:48] <Laney> deliberately *not* hilighting him
[09:48]  * Laney is a nice guy
[09:50] <didrocks> "but it does some people evidently"
[09:50] <didrocks> so, there is still a chance… :p
[10:25] <willcooke> morning qengho
[10:48] <larsu> seb128: one morning, one line of code :/
[10:48] <larsu> at least I know how to build and test unity now :D
[10:49] <larsu> funnily, nobody seems to ever use this feature, because it was totally broken
[11:26]  * desrt yawns
[11:26] <desrt> attente: hey.  running into some troubles here, but should still be on time
[11:28] <seb128> larsu, well, at least you found the bug :-)
[11:29] <desrt> larsu: thanks for making me not have to look at this :)
[11:29] <larsu> desrt: you wouldn't have had fun
[11:29] <desrt> i'd say "you handled it before i even woke up" but that wouldn't be true....
[11:29] <larsu> wow
[11:29] <desrt> you don't even want to know what i was doing all last night
[11:30] <larsu> I'm glad I can choose "UTC" as per mpt's design in datetime panel
[11:30] <larsu> it doesn't work though..
[11:30] <larsu> what's the proper timezone name for that?
[11:30] <larsu> desrt: what did you do?
[11:30] <desrt> went to bed at 10... around 2:30, woke up, couldn't sleep further
[11:30] <desrt> ...have you heard of this game called ingress?
[11:31] <larsu> haha
[11:31] <desrt> *cough*
[11:31]  * desrt walked around east toronto from 3am to 7am
[11:32] <seb128> crazy man
[11:32] <desrt> ya well, i made level 5
[11:32] <desrt> and you didn't
[11:33] <desrt> who's crazy now, huh?!?
[11:33]  * desrt twitches
[11:33] <seb128> larsu, "Etc/UTC" I think
[11:33] <larsu> seb128: thanks
[11:33] <seb128> yw
[11:33] <larsu> calling timedated with UTC directly works
[11:33] <larsu> but not from datetime
[11:33] <larsu> don't even get an answer
[11:34] <Laney> Etc/Utc
[11:34] <Laney> oh
[11:34]  * Laney should read the full scrollback
[11:34] <Laney> anarchy in the UK
[11:35] <seb128> :-)
[11:35] <seb128> what sort of anarchy?
[11:35] <seb128> Laney is piloting, good man!
[11:35]  * seb128 added items to the sponsoring queue yesterday while reviewing the +patches list...
[11:36] <larsu> ah, it's going through timezonemap, which doesn't accept UTC
[11:36] <larsu> "great"
[11:36] <larsu> it's also writing the gsettings key twice
[11:36] <seb128> and write it on start? ;-)
[11:36]  * seb128 hides
[11:36] <larsu> nope
[11:36] <larsu> seb128: btw, check it out: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-control-center/datetime-use-geonames
[11:36] <larsu> (still needs Depends line)
[11:37] <Laney> phwoar
[11:37] <seb128> larsu, rock on, should I build the lib and that and play with it? or do you want to wait a bit before getting user feedback?
[11:38] <larsu> seb128: play!!!
[11:38] <seb128> k :-)
[11:38] <larsu> seb128: if you build from source and --enable-demo, you'll get a small demo app
[11:38] <larsu> otherwise the datetime branch should work as well
[11:38] <seb128> k
[11:38] <seb128> I'm going to try the demo and the panel
[11:38] <larsu> the completion is a bit jumpy because of the long list of matches
[11:38] <larsu> got a gtk patch for that
[11:40] <larsu> going to lunch now though bbiab
[11:41] <seb128> larsu, enjoy!
[11:56] <Laney> chrisccoulson: what's the chance that I can build oxide in ram if I have 32 gigs? ...
[11:56]  * Laney is obeying the instruction to test build it when updating ninja
[12:03] <Laney> /usr/bin/ld.gold: --push-state: unknown option
[12:03] <Laney> meh
[12:05] <seb128> Laney, other people mentioned that error earlier today, see e.g #ubuntu-devel 7:12 uk time
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> Laney, I've not tried it
[12:06] <seb128> Laney, 8:51 is more useful
[12:06] <Laney> so gold broke in some way
[12:06] <seb128> no, qt did
[12:07] <Laney> it didn't get changed
[12:07] <seb128> cf the second chunck of discussion
[12:07] <seb128> hum
[12:07] <seb128> sounds like a doko issue
[12:07] <seb128> dookkoooo
[12:43] <Laney> who knows about broadcom firmware installation and stuff?
[12:43] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/b43-fwcutter/+bug/1490212 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1490713 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/1491070
[13:04] <seb128> Laney, I guess pitti does?
[13:05] <pitti> so which out of b43-fwcutter, bcmwl, and brcmfmac is the driver du jour for these cards now?
[13:07] <pitti> (probably a question for the kernel team, though)
[13:20] <seb128> pitti, sorry I don't know, was trying to help Laney , who I think is patch piloting
[13:20] <Laney> correct
[13:23] <xclaesse> it's really annoying when evolution can't fetch my google emails because UOA's token isn't valid anymore but UOA settings UI won't let you renew it
[13:24] <seb128> xclaesse, it doesn't? do you know if that's reported?
[13:26] <xclaesse> seb128, not sure exactly what happens tbh, but evolution says: The reported error was "Le délai d'attente est dépassé".
[13:26] <xclaesse> (/me hates those who half-translate error msg)
[13:27] <xclaesse> seb128, and if I delete and re-create my gmail account in UOA it works
[13:27] <xclaesse> it happens often, like once a month...
[13:27] <seb128> unsure if that's reported, it's worth asking to mardy if he knows about it
[13:28] <seb128> he's on #ubuntu-devel
[13:31] <willcooke> ruh roh
[13:31] <willcooke> Can someone try this:
[13:31] <willcooke> Log in 15.10
[13:31] <willcooke> Lock the screen
[13:31] <willcooke> from the lock screen click the power indicator
[13:31] <willcooke> Choose Shut down
[13:32] <willcooke> Click OK?
[13:32] <sethj> what's the expected outcome?
[13:32] <sethj> (besides shutting down)
[13:34] <willcooke> well, I don't have the icons to actually shut down
[13:34] <willcooke> I just have a box, with the text
[13:34] <willcooke> and no buttons
[13:34] <seb128> willcooke, lockscreen shouldn't allow you to shutdown
[13:34] <seb128> that got recently changed
[13:34] <seb128> weird that you get the menu option at all
[13:34] <sethj> yeah, there is no shutdown button on my image.
[13:34] <willcooke> erk
[13:35] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^^^^^
[13:35] <willcooke> Treeeevvviiinnnnnnnnnhhhooooooooooo!
[13:35] <seb128> willcooke, dpkg -l | grep indicator-session?
[13:35] <seb128> willcooke, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/12.10.5+15.10.20150915-0ubuntu1
[13:35] <seb128> willcooke, when did you restart your session?
[13:36] <willcooke> otp, one sec
[13:39]  * desrt sits beside robert_ancell and attente
[13:39] <willcooke> \o/
[13:39] <robert_ancell> tripled the Canonical presence
[13:40] <seb128> hey robert_ancell desrt
[13:40] <seb128> enjoying the conference?
[13:41] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi, yeah, it's good to meet everyone in person
[13:41] <Trevinho> willcooke: we had to remove the option to shutdown from lockscreen, but normal one should be fine
[13:42] <Trevinho> willcooke: maybe for some weird reason you miss the textures?
[13:44] <Laney> Trevinho: did something change about desktop file handling for the launcher lately?
[13:44] <Laney> I've noticed stuff disappearing
[13:44] <Laney> like I just installed a new rhythmbox and the icon is gone now
[13:44] <Laney> put it back, dpkg -i and it is gone again
[13:44] <Trevinho> Laney: I noticed that. But nothing has changed
[13:45] <Trevinho> Maybe has changed the way dpkg install desktop files?
[13:45] <seb128> Laney, Trevinho, side effect of the glib inotify work?
[13:45] <Trevinho> As we've a timed removal monitor
[13:45] <seb128> launcher drops items when the .desktop are removed
[13:45] <seb128> maybe it gets remove/added events?
[13:45] <Trevinho> That has always been done
[13:46] <Trevinho> Mh maybe... I'll check in a bit
[13:46] <seb128> Trevinho, maybe what?
[13:46] <Trevinho> We don't receive the added event
[13:46] <seb128> Trevinho, bts, nice try trying to blame glib for https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity/lp1495173/+merge/271446 ;-)
[13:47] <Laney> if you can get a log of the events you see we can get it looked at if necessary
[13:48] <Trevinho> seb128: I tried :-P
[13:48]  * desrt shakes finger
[13:48] <seb128> desrt, is there a glib-inotify test binary somewhere?
[13:49] <desrt> gvfs-monitor-dir/file
[13:49] <seb128> ah, I though there was
[13:49] <seb128> thanks
[13:57] <seb128> desrt, Laney, Trevinho, doing a "cp gedit.desktop gedit.desktop.old" and then mv .old gedit.desktop gives with old glib
[13:57] <seb128> File = /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop.old
[13:57] <seb128> Other = /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[13:57] <seb128> Event = MOVED
[13:57] <seb128> new glib
[13:57] <seb128> File = /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[13:57] <seb128> Event = CREATED
[13:57] <seb128> that's using gvfs-monitor-file
[13:57] <seb128> not sure if that's expected
[13:57] <seb128> but I guess that's what confuses unity
[13:58] <seb128>
[13:58] <seb128> larsu, is the db of your new lib/test demo smaller than the one we had before? it lists less cities, unsure if that's a bug or by design
[13:58] <Trevinho> Mh irrc they is a flag to get moved or deleted / created pair
[14:06] <seb128> in any case it's a change of behaviour
[14:06] <seb128> so unsure if that's wanted or not
[14:06] <seb128> desrt/Laney probably know better
[14:09] <willcooke> Trevinho, so this lock screen thing.  I've tried it on my test machine and my test VM - both the same
[14:10] <willcooke> Trevinho, upgrading them both now to be sure (last update was a few days ago)
[14:17] <seb128> willcooke, you didn't reply to my question earlier
[14:17] <seb128> dpkg -l output and session restart
[14:17] <willcooke> seb128, sorry, missed it - was otp
[14:18] <seb128> willcooke, I landed that indicator-session fix on tuesday
[14:18] <seb128> so you need to have update yesterday or today and restarted since
[14:18] <willcooke> upgrading now...
[14:18] <seb128> k
[14:24] <willcooke> and now it's fixed.
[14:24]  * willcooke shuts the hell up
[14:24] <willcooke> sethj, looks like an update is needed ^^
[14:25] <hikiko> willcooke, look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/91784
[14:26] <hikiko> 2007 and I can't understand if he refers to the unity desktop
[14:26] <hikiko> show desktop just shows the desktop
[14:26] <willcooke> 2007!!?!
[14:26] <hikiko> yes
[14:26] <hikiko> but the posts continue to 2012
[14:26] <sethj> willcooke, ah, coolio. thanks for the heads up.
[14:26] <hikiko> most people use metacity
[14:26] <hikiko> should I mark it as opinion
[14:27] <didrocks> hikiko: not in ubuntu, we used compiz at the time
[14:27] <didrocks> (2007)
[14:29] <seb128> hikiko, willcooke, the icon doesn't seem to reflect the state, but I think there are compiz bugs open about that as well
[14:29] <hikiko> I marked it as invalid
[14:29] <hikiko> for compiz(ubuntu)
[14:29] <seb128> basically if you use "show desktop", then alt-tab to a window, it shows that window but doesn't unflag the "show desktop"
[14:29] <hikiko> ?!
[14:29] <hikiko> "unflag" means what?
[14:29] <seb128> or it does nowadays, that might be fixed
[14:29] <seb128> it used to that if you alt-tabbed to e.g xchat
[14:30] <seb128> then picked "show desktop" again
[14:30] <seb128> it would then display all the things the previous "show desktop" set back
[14:30] <seb128> rather than show the desktop
[14:30] <hikiko> oh
[14:30] <hikiko> now it's fixed
[14:30] <hikiko> so I mark it as fix commited
[14:30] <hikiko> released*
[14:31] <seb128> yeah, fix released seems righty
[14:32] <willcooke> 1 down...
[14:33] <hikiko> 2
[14:33] <willcooke> :)
[14:33] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/91786
[14:33] <hikiko> this one is old as well
[14:33] <hikiko> those that have fix released
[14:33] <willcooke> I found one earlier that duflu logged where he had two launchers, one of top of the other - I've never seen that
[14:33] <hikiko> still appear as bugs
[14:34] <larsu> seb128: no, it's exactly the same.... which city are you missing? Kuntzig?
[14:34] <hikiko> I delete compiz (not compiz(ubuntu) from those that have status fix released in compiz
[14:34] <hikiko> so that they dont appear on the list anymore
[14:36] <larsu> andyrock: ci complains on my merge request, but the crash seems unrelated... is that known?
[14:46] <seb128> larsu, no, but e.g typing "Berl" in the current panel gives a Berl in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
[14:46] <seb128> where the demo doesn't
[14:47] <larsu> seb128: the current code doesn't give Berlin for that....
[14:48] <larsu> weird, wikipedia doesn't know that town
[14:48] <larsu> google maps doesn't, either
[14:51] <larsu> seb128: according to geomaps, it's "an area similar to a locality but with a small group of dwellings or other buildings"
[14:51] <seb128> oh ok, so one case of the panel listing things that it shouldn't
[14:51] <larsu> ya...
[14:52] <larsu> seb128: we can always talk about including the larger dataset
[14:52] <larsu> we're compressing it now, so that shouldn't be a problem
[14:52] <seb128> well, we should only list cities
[14:52] <larsu> but at some point, offering too many useless suggestions becomes less good of an experience
[14:53] <larsu> right, that's what we're doing now (I hope)
[14:53] <seb128> that was part of mpt's bug to exclude some of the ppld or whatever they are called
[14:53] <seb128> larsu, the other issue is that it doesn't include translations, where the current version does
[14:53] <seb128> like I can type "Londres "in the current panel
[14:53] <seb128> but not in your demo
[14:53] <seb128> for London
[14:54] <larsu> yes, this is next on my list
[14:54] <seb128> I didn't try your updated panel yet though
[14:54] <seb128> so maybe it's a demo limitation
[14:54] <seb128> k
[14:54] <seb128> larsu, good work otherwise, works fine and doesn't feel slow ;-)
[14:54] <larsu> thanks
[14:54] <larsu> ya... that was kind of what I was going for ;)
[14:54] <seb128> btw you might want to rebase your packaging branch on trunk, I first built that before nothing it was outdated
[14:55] <larsu> oh?
[14:55] <larsu> ah, I did but didn't push it
[14:55] <larsu> sorry
[14:55] <seb128> no worry
[14:56] <larsu> I'll push overwrite it, so please do a new checkout of that branch
[14:56] <seb128> k
[14:57]  * larsu is not a big fan of the packaging branch model
[14:59] <seb128> just include the debian dir in trunk?
[15:01] <larsu> also not a fan :)
[15:03] <Trevinho> are there other solutions? :)
[15:04] <larsu> separate repository, like we do for gnome
[15:04] <larsu> Trevinho: I already asked andyrock above - is the ci failure of my unity branch a known issue?
[15:04] <larsu> it crashes some test, but that seems totally unrelated
[15:05] <andyrock> larsu: sorry i missed the ping
[15:05] <andyrock> yeah it's known
[15:05] <Trevinho> larsu: it's a randome test failure
[15:05] <Trevinho> larsu: it generally doesn't ever happen on ppa landings..
[15:05] <Trevinho> so don't worry too much about that failure
[15:05] <Trevinho> Not sure we should disable that est... As we already tried multiple times to get it stronger
[15:06] <seb128> larsu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12438586/ btw
[15:06] <Trevinho> larsu: however, since IIRC it has to do with gio stuff, if you can check it.... :)
[15:06] <Trevinho> larsu: as you know are an unity builder pro :)
[15:07] <Trevinho> larsu: also I don't know how you ended up doing for building, but this (https://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/) is updated now
[15:07] <Trevinho> so, basically just install it in your home and... that's it
[15:07] <davmor2> cyphermox: start running I'll give you a 3 second head start.......wily ubiquity seems a bit hmmmmm completely broken
[15:08] <Laney> larsu: when it's released the packager will just merge the upstream tags into that branch
[15:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: does it?
[15:14] <larsu> Trevinho: ah, thanks
[15:15] <larsu> Laney: I understand, it's just a bit hard to get bootstrapped now that stuff is changing so quickly
[15:15] <davmor2> cyphermox: wily 64bit uefi mode on dell xps 13, set it to install on the latest daily it just crashes
[15:15] <larsu> seb128: thanks!
[15:15] <Laney> sure
[15:15] <cyphermox> davmor2: crash because NM?
[15:15] <larsu> seb128: please don't upload yet, I want a review from desrt before committing on the api
[15:15] <larsu> he PROMISED next week
[15:15] <andyrock> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1260653
[15:16] <andyrock> nic, we have bugs about unity3d
[15:16] <andyrock> :D
[15:16] <seb128> larsu, yeah, I was not going to, just playing with it for the moment
[15:16] <seb128> larsu, if we want that in wily we need a ffe
[15:16] <Laney> probably just wait until next release opens...
[15:16] <davmor2> cyphermox: not sure couldn't get it to tell me anything useful was about to try it from desktop instead
[15:16] <larsu> seb128: your decision
[15:16] <seb128> larsu, what Laney just said
[15:16] <cyphermox> davmor2: waiting for zsync then I'll try it too
[15:17] <larsu> Laney: what seb128 said
[15:17] <Trevinho> willcooke: as for the lockscreen bug, I see that it's fixed... But really not fully. I mean, in unity there's a code that ensures that the dialog is closed if no buttons have added (because it's pretty modular, depending on the situation)... And that didn't work in your case apparently
[15:17]  * Laney waggles
[15:17] <seb128> lol
[15:17] <larsu> Laney: close the circle!
[15:18] <Laney> seb128: just do what larsu says at all times, ok?
[15:18] <larsu> uh oh
[15:18]  * Laney strengthened it
[15:18]  * larsu goes mute, just in case
[15:18] <larsu> seb128: I think Laney would like some tea...
[15:18] <Laney> omg
[15:18] <larsu> haha
[15:18] <Laney> can we go to the cat cafe in london?
[15:19] <larsu> are there cats in there?
[15:19] <Laney> YEP
[15:19] <larsu> then no
[15:19] <larsu> wait. A lot?
[15:19]  * Trevinho wants to go there
[15:19] <larsu> Trevinho: and fix your test suite?
[15:19] <Laney> http://ladydinahs.com/our-cats/
[15:19] <Trevinho> maybe :)
[15:20] <Trevinho> I've already spent one night on nux tests... Not sure I want to see them for some hours
[15:20] <Trevinho> although.... London's cats, well they're fu**ing aggressive!
[15:20] <Trevinho> Londoncatteners...
[15:23] <davmor2> cyphermox: tis the network manager issue bug it has taken me to is #bug 1495017
[15:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: might just not of made the morning's image
[15:24] <cyphermox> no, it should have. it made it in yesterday's xubuntu
[15:24] <davmor2> cyphermox: hmmm let me check the image then
[15:24] <cyphermox> maybe it's that the fixed autopilot tests block promotion?
[15:25] <cyphermox> nope
[15:25] <cyphermox> today's image should have the right ubiquity version
[15:26] <cyphermox> (I mean, *has* according to manifest)
[15:28] <davmor2> cyphermox: meh looks like my cronjob beat the cdimage server I'm a day behind by the look of it updating and trying again will confirm shortly if it is fixed
[15:30] <cyphermox> looks good here
[15:30] <cyphermox> thanks for reminding me, I really need to cron all my image updates and such
[15:33] <seb128> hikiko, Trevinho, does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1470097 ring a bell?
[15:34] <Trevinho> seb128: loook weird
[15:35] <Trevinho> I don't think we go that low level in our code... :o
[15:36] <Trevinho> seb128: is there a way to fake available CPU instructions?
[15:39] <seb128> Trevinho, dunno, don't bother much, I was asking in case that was known
[15:41] <larsu> err, shouldn't this be a ubuntu-wide thing?
[15:41] <larsu> which cpus we support should reflect in compiler switches
[15:44] <Trevinho> larsu: yeah, in fact that's the same thing I thought
[15:44] <Trevinho> larsu: although, maybe there's some low level component that uses cpu calls
[15:44] <Trevinho> but it would be weird if it used these kinds of calls
[15:45] <larsu> ya
[15:56] <larsu> hm, git doesn't like seb128's patch
[15:57] <seb128> larsu, oh?
[15:57] <seb128> patch -p1 it?
[15:58] <larsu> also doens't like
[15:58] <seb128> weiiird, what's the error?
[15:58] <larsu> fatal: git apply: bad git-diff - expected /dev/null on line 33
[15:59] <larsu> ah, line ending madnes
[15:59] <larsu> *madness
[16:00] <larsu> seb128<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:01] <seb128> larsu, if you want, but don't bother with credit
[16:01] <seb128> that's a trivial change
[16:02] <larsu> pushed
[16:03] <seb128> thanks
[16:24] <Laney> hmm
[16:25] <Laney> https://paste.debian.net/312215/
[16:25] <Laney> that's a program which does basically what unity does
[16:26] <Laney> is file = g_file_new_for_path(path); delete(path); create(path); g_file_query_exists(path) a sane thing to do?
[16:27] <larsu> this program looks much simpler than unity to me
[16:28] <larsu> Laney: yes. GFile is only a url
[16:28] <Laney> indeed
[16:28] <Laney> but it's getting false
[16:29] <larsu> create() failed?
[16:29] <Laney> woah
[16:30] <larsu> ?
[16:30] <Laney> I made it print the filename
[16:30] <Laney> /usr/share/applications/rhythmbox.desktop.dpkg-new doesn't exist
[16:32] <larsu> hm?
[16:32] <Laney> well I had done       file = g_file_new_for_path("/usr/share/applications/rhythmbox.desktop");
[16:32] <larsu> can you link the source as well please? I don't really know what this is about :)
[16:36] <seb128> larsu, also http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/09/17/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t13:57
[16:36] <Laney> larsu: https://paste.debian.net/312217/ sorry!
[16:36] <seb128> desrt didn't reply
[16:37] <Laney> unity doesn't pass the flag to get MOVED
[16:37] <seb128> new glib/old glib give different events
[16:37] <Laney> I guess this tool does
[16:37] <Laney> maybe it has a way to tell it not to
[16:37] <seb128> -N
[16:37] <seb128>   -N, --no-pair     Don't send single MOVED events
[16:37] <seb128> ?
[16:38] <Laney> ya, give that
[16:39] <seb128> well
[16:39] <larsu> this is straight in desrt's current territory, no?
[16:39] <seb128> old glib
[16:39] <seb128> File Monitor Event:
[16:39] <seb128> File = /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop.old
[16:39] <seb128> Event = DELETED
[16:39] <seb128> File Monitor Event:
[16:39] <seb128> File = /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[16:39] <seb128> Event = CREATED
[16:39] <seb128> new glib
[16:39] <seb128> sorry that was new
[16:39] <seb128> old
[16:39] <seb128> File Monitor Event:
[16:39] <seb128> File = /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[16:39] <seb128> Event = CREATED
[16:39] <seb128> so glib behaviour changed in any case
[16:39] <seb128> unsure if that's wanted
[16:41] <Laney> I don't understand why the deleted event sees .dpkg-new
[16:42] <seb128> same as in the gvfs-monitor log
[16:43] <seb128> the moved is transformed on a delete on the old name (but that name is not monitored) + a created
[16:43] <Laney> yeah
[16:58] <davmor2> cyphermox: looks to be good dude both the latest image and the slide show
[16:59] <Laney> holy crap it's 6pm
[16:59]  * Laney feeds hamsters to the computer
[17:00] <davmor2> Laney: no it isn't
[17:00] <Laney> stop trying to psyops me into working longer
[17:00] <davmor2> cyphermox: meh might of spoken too soon no bootable device :(  retrying
[17:00] <Laney> there's CHEESE waiting to be eaten
[17:02] <cyphermox> heh?
[17:04] <Laney> I probably have a fix for that unity bug
[17:04] <Laney> but no time to wait for it to build, for now it is cheesezeit
[17:04] <Laney> bye!
[17:08] <davmor2> cyphermox: meh I know what it is that stupid bios bug where it only looks for the one specific file
[17:09] <cyphermox> I have no idea what you're talking about?
[17:16] <chrisccoulson> Laney, did you manage to build oxide?
[17:22] <willcooke> hikiko, script says 708 Compiz bugs > 2 years old, and of those only 64 have had any comments in the last year
[17:29] <willcooke> g'night
[17:47] <tkamppeter> hi, I have a problem with bug 1449875. I could fix it by adding a dependency to Ghostscript but the new dependency recommends tons of unneeded packages. Do all these get installed then, too?
[18:10] <davmor2> cyphermox: dells bios only see efi entries if /efi/boot/bootx64.efi exists otherwise it ignores the drive
[18:13] <davmor2> cyphermox: and now after adding the entry it boots
[18:47] <cyphermox> davmor2: ah, is that documented somewhere?
[18:48] <davmor2> cyphermox: I think so fourdollars pointed me at it when I hit it the first time round it just threw me for a minute or two till I remembered it