[15:58] <hallyn_> arges: hey, so regarding the gdb+qemu, did cjwatson talk to you yesterday?
[16:45] <arges> hallyn_: briefly, just recapped what you said to me
[16:49] <hallyn_> arges: when i talked to him he was wondering about your workload - i.e. could it have been booting kernel still in real mode when it failed,
[16:49] <hallyn_> and he mentioned using the multi-arch version of gdb
[16:59] <arges> hallyn_: I was already booted when I attached gdb
[16:59] <arges> hallyn_: and I'm running all 64-bits L1/L0 etc
[16:59] <arges> and i've even tried to manually set arch with no luck
[17:01] <hallyn_> ok, thx
[20:26] <grkvlt> hi. is kernel.ubuntu.com down for maintenance? when will it be available again? cannot connect right now...
[20:44] <ppisati_> chiluk: https://www.raspberrypi.org/xenon-death-flash-a-free-physics-lesson/
[20:58] <arges> hallyn_: for bug 1392176 is this waiting on a kernel patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/4/10/515?
[20:59] <arges> grkvlt: we are having some server issues, its a known problem and we are actively trying to fix it.
[20:59] <grkvlt> arges: thx. any idea on an ETA or just wait and see ;)
[21:00] <arges> grkvlt: no idea when it will be fixed, but we are all hoping soon
[21:03] <grkvlt> arges: np. i think i can work around it. its a requirement for a demo i'm giving ;(


[03:08] <mwhudson> bigjools: hello
[03:08] <bigjools> mwhudson: good day to you sir
[03:08] <mwhudson> bigjools: i have a question about the many versions of maas apparently floating around
[03:08] <mwhudson> in particular people keep running into this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1172966
[03:08]  * bigjools cowers
[03:08] <mwhudson> even though it's been fixed at least twice...
[03:09] <mwhudson> apparently it's still in the version of maas you get if you say "apt-get install maas" on raring
[03:09] <bigjools> 1.2 is the version in precise
[03:09] <mwhudson> is that a surprise?
[03:09] <bigjools> you need to hassle the packagers, I am just the poor upstream
[03:09]  * bigjools stares at roaksoax :)
[03:09] <mwhudson> ok
[03:09] <mwhudson> i remembered something about the raring version of maas having fpi support in it which isn't in trunk or something like that...
[03:10] <bigjools> no, FPI is not done anywhere
[03:10] <bigjools> I am goinbg to be pushing hard for it in 13.10 though
[03:10] <bigjools> since not having it makes development cycles frustrating
[03:10] <mwhudson> aah ok
[03:10] <mwhudson> glad i was making that bit up
[03:31] <bigjools> mwhudson: FWIW there are PPAs with fixes in if desperate
[03:32] <mwhudson> bigjools: i'm not really desperate i just want people to stop hitting the bug over & over again
[03:32] <mwhudson> bigjools: i guess
[03:32] <mwhudson> bigjools: would you advise people to use the ppas by default?  i guess i would, at least for armhf
[03:33] <bigjools> mwhudson: not by default, we don't offer any support
[03:33] <bigjools> unless there's a specific thing we recommened using them for
[03:33] <mwhudson> bigjools: so i should beat up roaksoax when he's here?
[03:33] <bigjools> pretty much :)
[03:33] <mwhudson> to get the fix SRUed
[03:33] <mwhudson> ok
[03:34] <mwhudson> i guess saucy has a newer version anyway?
[03:36] <bigjools> yeah that's mostly up to date
[03:55] <mwhudson> bigjools: which ppas have the fix?
[04:08] <bigjools> mwhudson: daily ones at least
[04:08] <bigjools> check the package versions' bzr string
[22:43] <kurt_> Hi - does anyone know what this error is about? OAUnauthorized
[22:43] <kurt_> http://pastebin.com/u45kvUGb


[20:24] <sagaci> hi aussies
[20:24] <sagaci> :3
[20:26] <head_victim> Morning
[20:32] <head_victim> sagaci: does the ubuntu manual have a different content goal than the official help manual? I was just curious if the goal of the content of the documentation was different or if the the goal of the format was different.
[20:47] <sagaci> mainly format is different
[20:48] <sagaci> ubuntu manual > help.ubuntu.com > man page
[20:48] <head_victim> The manual is one of those things I always meant to learn more about but never did. Would it be better to try and just try and format the official help document into a printable format?
[20:53] <sagaci> not really, it's a different targe
[20:54] <sagaci> t
[20:55] <head_victim> Ah ok, just curious as to where it fit :)
[20:56] <head_victim> If I recall rightly nisshh had a bit to do with it back in the day.
[20:56] <sagaci> still does
[21:52] <sagaci> head_victim: I wouldn't recommend help.ubuntu.com


[05:29] <Myrtti> go'morron
[05:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:42] <MartijnVdS> I'm like this: http://xkcd.com/1271/
[07:52] <damon> ug
[07:57] <DJones> Morning
[07:59] <DJones> Would anybody recommend a particular make/model/provider for a mifi, I'm contemplating getting one but don't know much about them, ideally a payG one were the bandwidth allowance doesn't expire after a set time, so if I only use it occasionally, the bandwidth isn't going to vanish if not used
[08:00] <directhex> they all have expiry
[08:00] <directhex> the question is how long the expiry is
[08:01] <directhex> the longest option is a 12-month prepay
[08:02] <directhex> which three do for £109, with the dongle and 12G of bandwidth
[08:03] <directhex> EE you get 90 days and 6GB for £90
[08:03] <DJones> By choice, I'd ratehr buy one with an amount of prepaid bandwidth and just top up when it runs out
[08:04] <directhex> t-mobile and orange don't do PAYG on a mifi
[08:04] <DJones> A bit a to think about then
[08:04] <directhex> three: http://store.three.co.uk/view/product/ql_catalog/threecatdevice/2566 (Pay As You Go +12) option on the right
[08:05] <directhex> ee: http://shop.ee.co.uk/alcatel-y800-mobile-wifi/all/details/?type=payg
[08:06] <directhex> o2: 2gb, £58, 30 day expiry. https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/hotspots/zte-mf60/o2-pocket-hotspot/
[08:06] <directhex> vodapony: 2gb, £45, 30 day expiry. http://www.vodafone.co.uk/shop/dongles-and-mobile-wi-fi/index.htm
[08:06] <DJones> The three one looks about the best option out of those in terms of length and bandwidth
[08:08] <directhex> virgin don't do mifi, or payg mobile broadband
[08:08] <directhex> those are your options, really
[08:08] <DJones> Wonder if giffgaff do anything
[08:09] <DJones> Doesn't appear so
[08:12] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:12] <DJones> Thanks for the suggestions, out of all of them three looks the most cost effective
[08:13] <DJones> Now for my next task, finding out if a G3S screen can be replaced
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning
[08:22] <Myrtti> bigcalm: did you get a new microwave oven yet?
[08:22] <Myrtti> popey: ahihi new socks ♥
[08:23] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I did indeed. No idea if it's any good though. It's still in its box in the sitting room
[08:23] <Myrtti> bigcalm: which one did you get then? I'm intrigued
[08:24]  * bigcalm goes to look :)
[08:24] <bigcalm> Myrtti: http://www.tesco.com/direct/tricity-tfmg2312-23l-800w-microwave-with-grill/215-1914.prd
[08:26] <bigcalm> Tesco had a lot of different models on display but only a few actually available to buy
[08:26] <Myrtti> ooh, looks spiffing
[08:30] <bigcalm> Looks like a microwave to me. I hope it lasts longer than the last one (by Tesco). That died after 5 years
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> My IKEA one has a 10-year warranty I think
[08:32] <directhex> the timer dial on my samsung is sorta dead, so when you try to turn the time down it turns up instead, sometimes
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> loose contact somewhere?
[08:33]  * MartijnVdS hands directhex a soldering iron
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Nautilus Commissioning Day! :-D
[08:52]  * MartijnVdS starts a file manager instance
[08:54] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
[09:04] <bigcalm> As it's Monday morning, I think that people should test http://cuth.eu:18080/ is still coping with multiple users
[09:05] <jussi> bigcalm: what is that?
[09:06] <bigcalm> jussi: node.js with socket.io - keeping a socket open to multiple users and broadcasting data between them
[09:06] <jussi> interesting...
[09:06]  * AlanBell is looking at websockets too, but with PHP on the back end
[09:09] <gordonjcp> bigcalm: connected, can't see anyone else
[09:09] <bigcalm> gordonjcp: oh? What web browser are you using?
[09:15] <jussi> stupd webdesigners/sysadmins are stupid...
[09:16] <jussi> seriously, who is the idiot that still requires me to input www. into the address?
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> jussi: when you find them, tell them about http://no-www.org/
[09:16] <Seeker`> jussi: but how will they know you want the website without the 'www'?!?!?!
[09:16] <jussi> Seeker`: sssh :P :P
[09:18] <Monotoko> mornin'
[09:23] <bigcalm> I've hijacked the conversation by moving it to a web browser ;)
[09:29] <jussi> anyone know what /etc/default/rcS is for?
[09:30] <jussi> (got asked about it on my saucy upgrade)
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: to quote the script:
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: # Default settings for the scripts in /etc/rcS.d/
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> jussi: # For information about these variables see the rcS(5) manual page.
[09:31] <jussi> ahh
[09:31] <jussi> well then
[09:31] <jussi> NAME
[09:31] <jussi>        rcS - variables that affect the behavior of boot scripts
[09:31] <jussi> that kinda says it all
[09:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:42] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:42] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:43] <MooDoo> :) upgraded to saucy the other day, anyone with an nvidia adapter in a laptop done it yet?  I'm curious about something
[09:44] <brobostigon> :)
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:03] <davmor2> Is it just me or did anyone else blink and miss the weekend?
[10:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: you meant it's not friday?
[10:04] <MooDoo> ffs
[10:05]  * MartijnVdS has a day off.. preparing for a new job tomorrow
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: no unfortunately,  You'll have to remember not to blink till Monday
[10:05] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: ohhhhhhhhhhhh, what's the new job?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> http://www.dontblinktees.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/designthumb_kcadb-original.png
[10:06] <MooDoo> oh congrats MartijnVdS
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Going to be a lead dev for transip (VPS hoster/website hoster/DNS/domain name registration thingy)
[10:07] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: you mean an ISP ;)
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I used to work for an ISP -- thousands of DSL/fibre connections and a bit of webhosting
[10:07] <MooDoo> :)
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: this one is the other half of ISP-land, VPSes, web hosting, etc and no dsl/fibre/etc :)
[10:08] <MooDoo> yay
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Congrats MartijnVdS
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> Old company wanted to get rid of all devs
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> So I started looking for a new job
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> One week after I signed the contract.. "Yeah.. we're not going to outsource development"
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> (for at least 6 more months..)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> anyway.. excited for tomorrow ;)
[10:13] <AlanBell> why doesn't ubuntu have /tmp mounted as tmpfs by default?
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: because sometimes you want to store things in /tmp that are larger than RAM
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's only mounted as tmpfs if / is full on boot
[10:16] <AlanBell> nope, it gets mounted as overflow if / fills up
[10:16] <AlanBell> and then you are cool for a week, then strange things happen when mysql can't use it
[10:17] <AlanBell> because the 1M overflow mounted /tmp runs out of space
[10:20] <AlanBell> so top tip, sort out tmp or just reboot after fixing a disk space problem
[10:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Big Ubuntu desktop installation: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40
[10:28] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
[10:28] <popey> i saw ubuntu on Rymans stationers on the weekend
[10:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool.
[10:29] <davmor2> popey: on what?
[10:29] <popey> a pc
[10:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's a massive install - will be ~75k machines.
[10:29] <popey> the in store people were using it for booking DHL pickups
[10:30] <davmor2> popey: haha
[10:30] <popey> those close/max/min buttons really stick out ☻
[10:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> When popey uses ☻ I am always reminded of the Black & White Minstrel Show.
[10:31] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: hahaha
[10:31] <popey> ☹
[10:32] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: you are an evil man because of course that's all I'll see now too,  Along with the Ma'amy how I love ya sound track :D
[10:33] <MooDoo> and the jazz hansd
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - that was such an "un-PC" programme when you look back at it now. Amazing.
[10:35] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: PC didn't exist then and tv was all the better for it :D
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno about that really. "Till Death Us do part", "On the Buses", "Benny Hill"...
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> There were some really bad shows.
[10:37] <kecskebak> And some really good ones - Spike Milligan's Q was as un-PC as you can get, but it was utterly brilliant.
[10:41] <popey> hehe, wondered when kecskebak would wake up, as the certified fanboy of "old telly" :D
[10:41] <kecskebak> popey - Sadly, I'm most interested in the bits before, after and between the programmes!
[10:41] <popey> true..
[10:44] <kecskebak> I think there was a lot of bad television in the 60s and 70s simply due to the amount produced and the amount of experimentation done. Sadly, if you get a good show now it's done to death, until eventually it's remembered as a bad show.
[10:45] <MooDoo> The Prisoner was a good tv show
[10:45] <kecskebak> However there was a lot of good television in the 60s and 70s - the collapse of cinema attendances then is a testament to that.
[10:45] <popey> The battle between TV and cinema is interesting to follow.
[10:45] <popey> Especially how it led to things like widescreen, HD, 3D, 4K etc
[10:46] <kecskebak> Yes, and even Granada - a cinema company wanted Manchester as all their cinemas were in the south
[10:46] <kecskebak> So they wouldn't compete with themselves. ABC, the company that became Thames and started did the Avengers was a cinema company part owned by Warner Brothers.
[10:47] <kecskebak> Thames studios in Teddington where they made Rainbow was the old Warner Brothers UK studios.
[10:48] <kecskebak> And of course Southern TV with Jack Hargreaves musty shed was a third owned by the Rank Organisation - there was always a large cinema interest in British television.
[10:49] <bigcalm> Cor
[11:01] <popey> Never knew that!
[11:01]  * popey fondly remembers the ABC and Odeon Cinemas in Aldershot. All of them gone now
[11:02] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/oldcinemaphotos/2298427340/in/set-72157603887899628
[11:02] <popey> used to queue round the block there
[11:03]  * brobostigon puts bbc2 on, for a good laugh at george osborne.
[11:11]  * bigcalm grumbles at working - want to play with node.js
[11:13]  * popey succeeds at lunch
[11:13] <MooDoo> bigcalm: fancy being at work and working :s
[11:13] <popey> wrap, spready with mayo and mint sauce, slice of cheese, left over lamb from yesterday's lunch, wrap up, stick in microwave for 1 min
[11:13] <popey> nom
[11:14] <bigcalm> MooDoo: right now I am documenting a process, it's dull
[11:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: make it fun, see if you can implement film quotes into it, There can be only one process involved,
[11:15] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:15] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i couldn't think how you'd use yippe kyay muther **** in it
[11:16] <bigcalm> It's for a technical document. I wonder if my client would mind that
[11:16]  * brobostigon walks up to the tv, and metaphoriclly sticks his thumb up george osborne's nose
[11:17] <bigcalm> Unhappy times?
[11:17] <MooDoo> brobostigon: just beacuase he's making people who have been on the dole for 2 years work for their money?
[11:17] <brobostigon> MooDoo: no, i just dont like him.
[11:18] <MooDoo> oh lol go for it then lol
[11:18] <brobostigon> yay.
[11:22] <jussi> hrm
[11:23] <jussi> what is that hting called that you plug into one HDMI port and it gives you 5, that you can switch between? like a power board but for HDMI.. ?
[11:24] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Duronic-HRS1031-Port-Switch-Remote/dp/B00204IE20/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=29FWHGD2GAECA&coliid=I1OIQHHHJJBWJM
[11:24] <popey> one of them?
[11:24] <popey> switch box
[11:25] <jussi> yeah, one of them. now to find it on dx.com :P
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> I call it my receiver 8-)
[11:25] <popey> they have lots
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> it switches the right HDMI input to HDMI-out based on its preset
[11:28] <jussi> (I dont think amazon electronics is available in .fi)
[11:30] <jussi> yep, loooks like aboput 15$ will get me something decent, now just o choose which one
[11:32] <popey> jussi: lemme know which one you get, I plucked that link from my amazon wishlist
[11:32] <popey> I want one but dunno which to get
[11:33] <jussi> popey: yeah, I will do.
[11:33] <jussi> there are just so many choices...
[11:34] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Sorry for being late to the tv argument had to run an errand.  This was also the era that brought us, Thunderbirds, the muppets, stingray, Starwars, Startrek, Man from Uncle, Bond, Joe 90, Morcome and wise, The two ronnies, Monty Python, blazing saddles etc etc etc  Most of which were PC
[11:34] <MooDoo> fireball xl5
[11:34] <davmor2> were not pc even
[11:34] <kecskebak> I think my favourite programme from the 60s/70s was "Vision On" - probably the most creative use of television imaginable
[11:35] <kecskebak> I look at the programme now in utter amazement.
[11:36] <jussi> popey: this one looks decent, although it doesnt come with a power supply according to the comments underneath (not mandatory, but some devices need it) http://dx.com/p/rm501-6-port-1080p-hdmi-v1-3-switch-w-remote-control-black-silver-5-in-1-out-148298
[11:38] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: not to mention the Carry on Films, Les Dawson, The Good life, To the manner born, Upstairs Down stairs, The power game, Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy (the original and better version)  :)
[11:38] <MooDoo> The adventure game, although I think that was the 80's
[11:40] <davmor2> Not like that, Jus' like that was also coined in that era :)
[11:40] <kecskebak> Patrick Dowling, the creator of The Adventure Game wrote a tie-in game for the BBC Micro - released by Acornsoft. http://youtu.be/sCcO_yFJZxw
[11:41] <davmor2> kecskebak: you have too much time on your hands obviously :)  but all interest stuff :)
[11:41] <kecskebak> I think I better leave and let Ubuntu-UK have their IRC channel back :)
[11:41] <popey> hah
[11:41] <MooDoo> doogy rev kecskebak  ;)
[11:42] <kecskebak> davmor2: I actually don't watch any television at all these days, but I used to work for ITV so my excuse is it's my living.
[11:43] <kecskebak> davmor2: There will be some stuff I did in Synfig and Blender on BBC Northern Ireland very soon.
[11:43] <popey> Oh nice!
[11:46] <jussi> popey: that link is the one I ordered.  There's just over 3 weeks to go now
[11:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: I forgot the coma after to be
[11:52] <bigcalm> Ah, makes more sense
[11:52] <bigcalm> 3 weeks, 5 days
[11:52]  * bigcalm tries to put it out of his mind and concentrate on work
[11:53] <davmor2> and 4 hours
[11:53] <bigcalm> Nope, 2.5 hours I think
[11:53] <bigcalm> 3.30pm
[11:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: if you're not counting it in hours it's not close enough yet
[14:50] <Laney> AlanBell: do you have any way to fix ubot2` being dead?
[14:55] <ali1234> doesn't jpds run that?
[15:34] <bigcalm> Any Nationwide users in here?
[15:35] <Guest90177> bank?
[15:35] <Guest90177> yes
[15:36]  * mungbean
[15:37] <bigcalm> I've used their Flexi current account for many years. Just used their counter service and was suggested I might upgrade my current account. Wondered if anybody had any thoughts on the new ones
[15:38] <mungbean> i think their website is awful
[15:38] <bigcalm> Pondering the £10 a month for mobile insurance and car breakdown cover
[15:38] <mungbean> i didn't consider the paid account work the moneys
[15:38] <bigcalm> Yeah, I love their online banking, use it all the time
[15:39] <bigcalm> £120 for a year or mobile insurance and breakdown cover
[15:39] <bigcalm> Hummm
[15:39] <mungbean> you don't find it overly complex and unwiedly?
[15:39] <bigcalm> s/or/for/
[15:39] <bigcalm> Nope
[15:39] <bigcalm> The online banking is great for my use
[15:39] <mungbean> breakdown cover i get with tesco clubcard for around £40
[15:39] <mungbean> i have 3 accounts and wifey has abuot 3
[15:40] <mungbean> to get from my savings to wifes savings is a fail
[15:53] <davmor2> bigcalm: you are kidding me right?  That's dead cheap
[15:54] <davmor2> NOT
[16:05] <bigcalm> davmor2: I have no idea about these things
[16:05]  * bigcalm sticks with his free account
[16:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: it's somewhere between 20-40 over the top at a quick guess.  Most phone insurance is like 30-50 (depends on the phone more than anything else) most recovery packages start from 30 so just depends which one it is.
[16:22] <bigcalm> davmor2: fair enough
[16:22]  * bigcalm stays put
[16:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh that's interesting though, have a look into if it covers you and Haileys phones and cars.  Apparently one of the nice things is if you transfer a Joint account to the premium account it covers both phones and both cars at which point it becomes worth it apparently. http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/insurance/cheap-mobile-phone-insurance
[16:43] <bigcalm> I see
[16:44] <bigcalm> If it does, then I think Hayley should cancel her paid for account with Barkley’s
[16:46] <Laney> arf arf
[16:46] <bigcalm> ?
[16:50] <Laney> oh you know, just barking
[16:50] <bigcalm> Lolz
[17:33] <diddledan> I'm thinking of ipwning myself with a 5S - someone talk me out of it
[17:34]  * popey prefers the 4s to the 5s
[17:34] <shauno> do eet
[17:34] <diddledan> shauno: did you turn into arnie?
[17:35] <shauno> not that I know of
[17:35] <diddledan> popey: you're a fan of the smaller screen?
[17:38] <popey> yes, and the glass back
[17:39] <diddledan> problem with the glass back is it slides
[17:39] <popey> nah
[17:39] <popey> the nexus 4 does, the iphone 4s doesn't IME
[17:47] <Azelphur> I actually hate glass, it's one of the things I don't like about my nexus 4
[17:47] <Azelphur> whoever thought it'd be smart to design a slippery phone, I want to slap them.
[17:49] <popey> well indeed
[17:50] <popey> the nexus 4 is a terrible example
[17:50] <Azelphur> diddledan: also I don't need to talk you out of it, the specs and price should do that all by itself ;)
[17:51] <popey> those are only two factors in the purchase
[17:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:52] <Azelphur> popey: they are when someones trying to foist a shitty dual core off as £700 worth of hardware, pull the other one ;)
[17:52] <Azelphur> apple is usually bad, but that's just like...beyond anything
[17:53]  * popey shrugs
[17:53] <popey> I don't care ☻
[17:54] <Azelphur> the galaxy S4 is £300? cheaper and has a better screen, twice the RAM, microSD, a better camera (both front and back) and a CPU that's around 8x as fast lol
[17:54] <popey> the s4 benchmarks slower than the 5s
[17:54] <Azelphur> really?
[17:54] <popey> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2424668,00.asp
[17:54]  * popey shrugs
[17:54]  * popey hasn't tested either
[17:55] <Myrtti> oooooooo I just realised I can buy ... erm
[17:55] <Myrtti> I suppose I should ask for somekind of a cover for the corruption Nexus4
[17:55] <Myrtti> so I don't smack it into pieces in my handbag
[17:55] <popey> I have two nexus 4 covers, a cheap plastic crap one
[17:56] <popey> and a fairly okay one
[17:56] <popey> both are horrible of course because they mean you can't hold the actual phone itself.
[17:56] <Myrtti> sorry, I can't parse that
[17:56] <popey> its like buying a car then driving round with it wrapped in bubble wrap
[17:56] <popey> hm.
[17:57] <popey> both covers are terrible, because when you put a cover on a phone, you can't hold the actual phone itself
[17:57] <diddledan> see, I always come back to the same dilemma - stay with apple and be able to use photoshop et. al. on a POSIX-based system which behaves just as I expect (CLI) or do I eschew proprietary and go with ubuntu - if I stay with apple on the desktop/laptop I might as well stay with apple on the mobile, too. If I go with ubuntu I lose out on photoshop and adobe edge stuffs, and might as well go with android for the mobile (because ubuntu touch is
[17:57] <diddledan>  still a baby - bless).
[17:57] <popey> (holding the phone itself is a nice thing imo) (depending on the phone)
[17:57] <Myrtti> popey: mm. I've learnt to live with it because I've been too cheap to buy stickers for my GNexus
[17:57] <Azelphur> popey: I notice geekbench doesn't seem to have the i5hone 5s listed, strange
[18:00] <popey> Myrtti: RingKe Fusion is the cover I have on the n4
[18:01] <popey> feels robust
[18:01] <Myrtti> popey: yeah, I'd have to find it from a Finnish shop :-(
[18:01] <Myrtti> or pay it from my own pocket
[18:02] <popey> happy to get one and forward it to you if that's any use
[18:02] <popey> but I guess d can do that too ☻
[18:02] <Myrtti> yeah, that's not a problem. It's just going to be my work phone so I'd rather let them pay for it
[18:03] <popey> ah
[18:03] <Myrtti> although after paying 400€ for the 8GB one I suppose it's not such a horrible thing if I chip in some of my pocket money
[18:03] <Myrtti> instead of letting them pay more
[18:06] <ali1234> why did they make the back of the phone glass?
[18:06] <diddledan> apple
[18:06] <ali1234> i mean why use glass except for the purposes of making transparent objects?
[18:06] <diddledan> apple
[18:06] <ali1234> what is the benefit??
[18:07] <diddledan> it looks like an iphone
[18:07] <ali1234> can you say "glass cannon"?
[18:07] <diddledan> banana hammock?
[18:07] <ali1234> bumblebee tuna?
[18:07] <popey> it feels nice
[18:07] <popey> feels "premium" I believe
[18:08] <ali1234> you know what feels nice? metal
[18:08] <popey> indeed
[18:08] <popey> which is why I like the 4s
[18:08] <diddledan> yeah it's all smooth like a baby's fingernail (politically correct censored version)
[18:08] <popey> metal & glass > plastic
[18:23] <Azelphur> popey: agree on that one, glass sucks :P
[18:24] <Myrtti> this looks quite well suited for my use so I might just get that. http://www.amazon.co.uk/GMYLE-Yellow-Leather-Wallet-Magnetic/dp/B00E0FV2G2/
[19:24] <lpapp> hey, do you know if gumtree has an API?
[19:24] <bigcalm> Sounds like the sort of site that would/should
[19:25] <lpapp> I could not find it.
[19:25] <zleap> lpapp, http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GUMTREE/GumTree+API+Summary
[19:25] <zleap> is that helpful
[19:26] <bigcalm> http://blog.gumtree.com/what-bloggers-think-of-the-sneak-peek-site/
[19:26] <bigcalm> Oh, better link than I found
[19:27] <zleap> np
[19:27] <ali1234> not really
[19:27] <ali1234> it's nothing to do with gumtree.com
[19:27] <zleap> ok sorry
[19:28] <ali1234> "GumTree is a modern software suite that aims to lower the barrier of performing experiments on complex scientific instruments."
[19:28] <lpapp> zleap: I do not see an API spec there for gumtree.
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> "Science is hard, let's go shopping"?
[19:28] <zleap> i just tried to google gumtree api
[19:28] <lpapp> so did I, yeah. :>
[19:28] <zleap> i guess there is more than one gum tree, like there is more than 1 unity
[19:29] <lpapp> it is kinda weird because it seems common in the UK.
[19:29] <lpapp> not as common as ebay.co.uk, but still.
[19:31] <ali1234> gumtree has free ads, that's why it is popular
[19:31] <ali1234> and also why it is full of rubbish and scams
[19:35] <lpapp> I am surprised it has no API easily accessible.
[20:13] <AlanBell> Laney: no, I don't that is a jpds bot
[20:14] <diddledan> does ubuntu touch do similar power savings techniques as android in that non-foreground apps are suspended and when ram gets low completely killed but with state information saved to resume them where they left-off?
[20:15] <diddledan> if so, will that eventually make it's way to ubuntu desktop for use on laptops?
[20:16] <diddledan> like os x has the feature they call "app nap" which does similar to the ios power saving equivalent to the android procedure I just highlighted
[20:16] <diddledan> os x mavericks**
[20:20] <ali1234> not as far as i know
[20:20] <ali1234> touch does the exact same process scheduling as desktop
[20:20] <ali1234> possibly less actually
[20:42] <popey> diddledan: yes, apps are suspended when not focussed
[20:43] <bigcalm> How does that affect multitasking?
[20:44] <bigcalm> #
[20:44] <bigcalm> Meh
[20:44] <diddledan> popey: that's what I thought
[20:45] <popey> bigcalm: multiple apps can run
[20:45] <popey> then resume when you switch to them
[20:45] <popey> there are system services for some things that need to continue - like downloading files, or playing music
[20:45] <bigcalm> I was about to ask about music
[20:45] <bigcalm> Okay
[20:46] <popey> we have some special exceptions for some apps
[20:46] <diddledan> how usable is touch on the galaxy nexus now we're so close to 13.10 release date? I'm considering moving over but I do use the phone so it's not a testbed so to speak.
[20:46] <bigcalm> Can an app say "hey, I should be kept running no matter what"?
[20:46] <popey> no
[20:46] <bigcalm> Right
[20:46] <popey> well, maybe ☻
[20:46] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:46] <diddledan> lol
[20:47] <bigcalm> diddledan: you should use it every day and file bug reports :D
[20:47] <diddledan> bigcalm: :-D
[20:47]  * bigcalm gives up with work dev problems for the evening
[20:47] <bigcalm> Time for some fun with node.js
[20:48] <diddledan> I'm assuming tilapia (nexus 7-2012+gsm) still has issues judging from the last time I looked on the touch mailing list
[20:49] <diddledan> we really need to get people like sky and netflix on board with video streaming capability
[20:49] <diddledan> that'ld be the main thing I'd miss
[20:54] <popey> yeah, me too
[20:55] <daubers> Evening
[21:00] <bigcalm> Forgotten the password to my wedding web site
[21:00] <bigcalm> Gah
[21:02] <brobostigon> oh dear :(
[21:04] <bigcalm> Ah, there we go
[21:04] <bigcalm> And there is the email saying that somebody is trying to force their way in
[21:06] <diddledan> this is really cool: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/install-kde-connect-on-ubuntu-get-call-notifications
[21:14] <bigcalm> Just added a count down timer :D
[21:16] <popey> hmm, my xbox says youtube is not available right now, which is a lie
[21:18] <bigcalm> popey: bought GTA V eh? ;)
[21:20] <popey> nope
[21:20] <bigcalm> Aww
[21:33] <popey> omg
[21:34] <popey> just discovered you can pair your laptop with the youtube app on xbox 360


 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/0QV0Tu3U/file_5505.jpg
 I call this a win.
 :D
 I love how it came out.
[02:05] <valorie> nice
[18:18] <acheronuk> isos starting to arrive
[18:18] <acheronuk> slowly.....
 my main SSD died last night
 the minor good news is that I was able to fix and upgrade my failed install on the other disk
 so I guess I'll be trying to provision that bionic install for now
 but no irc set up yet
[20:11] <acheronuk> oh, PITA :/
 yeah, sucky timing
 esp. since this travel laptop's drive died less than a month ago
 sheesh
 first I have to solve the hiDPI stuff since I can't squint at tiny type all day
[20:23] <ricktimmis[m]> Anyone see the application to join kubuntu-release team by bionicmac ?
[20:24] <ricktimmis[m]> Came in on my email, but I don't know what the joining rules are for that team, looks like it just require KC approval ??
 I won't approve it until he actually pitches in!
[20:30] <acheronuk> testers are invited to join from the description, but I would agree that people should prove some track record on that 1st
[21:36] <valorie> victory!


[06:06] <mapps> yo
[07:34] <SuperMatt> I'm getting a 500 error while going to iplayer
[07:34] <SuperMatt> ah, it's gone now
[07:34] <SuperMatt> phew
[07:34] <SuperMatt> I thought the world was ending
[07:35] <SuperMatt> oh no, it really is struggling this morning
[07:45] <foobarry> anyone know of cheap powerline adapters that don't die after one year?
[08:59] <directhex> iplayer's been down for 2 days here
[09:05] <Myrtti> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28388585
[09:29] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:55] <gebbione> is test -x /usr/sbin/anacron supposed to show/echo a value?
[12:02] <foobarry> anyone know why i am getting too many authentication failures using password ssh in 14.04 server?
[12:02] <foobarry> some weird default>
[12:02] <foobarry> ?
[12:07] <foobarry> oh, told my client not to do pubkey
[12:07] <foobarry> weird
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> but.. pubkey > password security
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> as long as you're not insane and keep a passphrase on the key
[12:09] <foobarry> this is first time connection
[12:09] <foobarry> so keys will come later
[12:40] <awilkins> Maybe someone cracked the account already, or is brute forcing it
[12:41] <awilkins> Is this machine visible from teh Internets?
[12:41] <awilkins> My router fields many, many attempts to crack it on a daily basis (even though it no longer accepts password auth)
[12:43]  * penguin42 hopes his doesn't have to take any auth from the outside world
[15:42] <diddledan> morning
[15:43]  * penguin42 yaaawwwwnnns
[16:31]  * SuperEngineer smiles - found a cheap portable USB cassette player to put some prize cassettes into mp3
[16:32] <penguin42> it had better be cheap if it was easier than plugging in an old casette recorder to the audio in
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: it was 9.99 - & old cassette player is slightly u/s [unless you can find me a new drive band for it!]
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> £10 will do me fine
[16:35] <penguin42> yeh ok for that much
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> I am honoured that you approve ;)
[16:39] <diddledan> u/s?
[16:39] <SuperEngineer> unserviceable
[16:39] <diddledan> aah, I thought it was "uniquely scrumptious"
[16:41] <SuperEngineer> a.k.a.. f.. [no SuperEngineer, slap your wrist... you mustn't say that on a family friendly channel]
[16:45]  * SuperEngineer also celebrates having found cause of several weird & wonderful system errors & x crashes!
[16:46] <SuperEngineer> last update... linux headers downloaded... no linux image... fired up synaptic...
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> voila! linux-headers-generic ticked [installed] but linux-image-generic mysteriously unchecked!
[16:48] <SuperEngineer> dpownload the corresponding image, install linux-image-geric package again... all fixed!  :)
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> ...& btw, I *hate* working weekends [although some are made easier by silly calls and finding bargain cassetrte usb cassette players
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> cassetrte usb cassette players?  - y'all know that don't make sense!
[16:52] <penguin42> yeh, it really doesn't
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[16:54] <SuperEngineer> [it first converts a cassetrte into a cassette then it transfers output to pooter - clever huh]
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> Tech question... the only thing not working since failed restore and forced re-install [previous home partition restored]...
[17:11] <SuperEngineer> ...is those darn web apps
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> where should I look?  could there be dirty keys held in seahorse [keyring]?
[17:17] <nucc1> hi, what TTY has the GUI?
[17:17] <directhex> 7
[17:17] <nucc1> hmmm, something's wrong then :)
[17:17] <SuperEngineer> or to rephrase that - the keys for "Ubuntu Web Account: id 1-1" [& 1-3, 3-1, 3-1]... do these need to be removed?
[17:17] <nucc1> I was running dist-upgrade moving from 13.10 to 14.04
[17:18] <nucc1> and it's showing a black screen and the last message on it is "stopping virtual printing daemon: done", not updating.
[17:20] <nucc1> alt+ctrl+del to the rescue. fingers crossed the box machine still works
[17:22] <nucc1> :'(
[17:23] <maps|wrk> :(
[17:25] <nucc1> the box boots and is reachable on the network, but TTY7 is just a blank screen
[17:29] <maps|wrk> hm
[17:29] <maps|wrk> wfresh install?
[17:29] <nucc1> yea, just need to scp my data off.
[17:29] <maps|wrk> blank screen when sshing in is this?
[17:30] <nucc1> no, ssh is fine. the monitor shows a blank unless i go to a tty other than 7
[17:30] <nucc1> i can ping google from the device too so the networking is working and i guess everything else
[17:30] <nucc1> i tried restarting lightdm to no avail
[17:31] <maps|wrk> probably already checked but checked logfiles for anyclues
[17:33] <nucc1> where would lightdm log if it failed to start?
[17:35] <maps|wrk> var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log:
[17:41] <nucc1> easier to just copy my /home
[17:41] <nucc1> and install 1404 directly.
[17:41] <nucc1> got gigabit and a NAS so it's not a big deal.
[17:41] <maps|wrk> or reinstall the desktop with apt
[17:43] <nucc1> it said unmet dependencies, then suggested i run: apt-get -f install, which seems to be updating loads of packages, presumably it's resuming the upgrade which failed
[17:43] <maps|wrk> let it run then
[17:43] <maps|wrk> :D
[17:45] <nucc1> gah, some complaints about gnome-settings-daemon-schemas
[17:45] <nucc1> i'll just go clean install route
[18:43] <Azelphur> My dad just got a Nexus 4 and stuck a giffgaff sim into it, paid for the £12 goodybag, but whatever he does he only seems to get a "G" connection (not 2g or 3g) and can't get any internet access out of it. Any suggestions?
[18:46] <penguin42> and he's enabled 3g and selected the network off the list?
[18:48] <Azelphur> penguin42: settings > more > mobile networks > data enabled is enabled
[18:48] <Azelphur> what do you mean network off the list?
[18:50] <awilkins> Azelphur, G is 2G
[18:50] <awilkins> GPRS
[18:50] <awilkins> H is 3G
[18:50] <awilkins> E is 2.5
[18:50] <Azelphur> awilkins: usually it says 2g, on my Nexus iirc it does
[18:50] <Azelphur> but yea, either way he has no internet access
[18:50] <awilkins> Azelphur, I have an N4 and it uses the more confusing and annoying acronym names
[18:51] <Azelphur> fun
[18:51] <awilkins> The thing about GiffGaff is they sell reserve capacity of o2s network
[18:51] <daftykins> Azelphur: APN or being stuck on 2G
[18:51] <penguin42> Azelphur: on my phone I can chose the network
[18:51] <Azelphur> daftykins: I set all the APN details
[18:51]  * penguin42 boots his phone
[18:51] <Azelphur> actually I just had a thought, he's in wales...does that break shit?
[18:52] <daftykins> yep if he's down in a valley
[18:52] <awilkins> Wales has lots of mountains and stuff
[18:52] <Azelphur> nah he's got signal
[18:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: wth did you have to screw around with apn settings?
[18:52] <daftykins> likely won't get more than 2G in a valley though mate
[18:52] <Azelphur> and my mum on a different network has 5 bars of HSDPA, so he's in a reasonably populated area
[18:52] <Azelphur> penguin42: we followed a youtube video from giffgaff detailing the APN settings
[18:52] <awilkins> If he has signal the local router might just be borked if he has no network access
[18:52] <Azelphur> daftykins: he doesn't have any connection at all though, despite it saying 2g, he has no internet access
[18:52] <penguin42> Azelphur: weird, I've not had to do that in the last 10 years
[18:53] <awilkins> penguin42, have most of your phones been provider ones?
[18:53] <daftykins> oh i see
[18:53] <daftykins> factory reset?
[18:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fz006ibpbygcj3y/AACw5Fqaal0DQqRW66-yis8-a
[18:53] <daftykins> i was in a valley today and got stuck on EDGE
[18:53] <Azelphur> daftykins: it's a fairly new phone already mostly default
[18:53] <awilkins> Azelphur, The OS has the APN settings for GiffGaff in it AFAIK
[18:53] <daftykins> but just look at those prawn sarnies and pint of ale 8D
[18:53] <penguin42> Azelphur: wireless settings-mobile network settings-network operators ?
[18:53] <Azelphur> awilkins: yea, by default it was set to O2
[18:53] <maps|wrk> dafty!
[18:54] <daftykins> maps o/
[18:54] <penguin42> awilkins: Well I'm on Cyanogen so I don't think that's relevant
[18:54] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:54] <maps|wrk> 10pm swan fun?
[18:54] <maps|wrk> or whenever youre free
[18:54] <Azelphur> and O2 are behind the scenes for giffgaff
[18:54] <maps|wrk> :D
[18:54] <daftykins> lol
[18:54] <awilkins> Azelphur, I don't recall having to do anything scary with it apart from configuring which network it was on... there's also a thing where you can get them to send you a text with the APN settings in that magically sets them for you
[18:54] <daftykins> yeah hopefully in a bit mate, just relaxing atm
[18:54] <maps|wrk> cool:D
[18:54] <daftykins> i've asked in their channel
[18:55] <daftykins> someone replied at mid-day today after that situ last night XD
[18:55] <Azelphur> awilkins: yea I thought there was that, I wonder where that is
[18:55] <awilkins> Azelphur, But network access on GiffGaff has sometimes been a bit patchy for me so if you only just got it set up I might be inclined to see if there were any outages
[18:55] <Azelphur> perhaps the youtube video was outdated
[18:55] <Azelphur> awilkins: has been a couple days with issues
[18:55] <awilkins> Azelphur, That's not atypical. Sometimes they go through a day or so of sending the same SMS message to me 2-5 times
[18:55] <Azelphur> fun
[18:55] <awilkins> Although that was cleared with a "manual roam"
[18:56] <awilkins> Which does sound fun :-)
[18:56] <awilkins> In general I'm happy with them for a service
[18:56] <awilkins> I get a 1GB package with tethering for £10 a month which I can't complain about
[18:57] <SuperEngineer> wee-hee - busy copying cassettes to pooter with newly purchased £10 usb cassette player
[18:57] <awilkins> And I can only recall one occasion when the network service failed and left me in a tight spot (couldn't pay for my parking with the phone app)
[18:57] <awilkins> Compared to Vodafone they are the Super Happy Fun Band
[18:58] <Azelphur> awilkins: found the number for giffgaff, supposedly SETTINGS to 2020, so checking that out
[18:58] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: cassette O_O what treasures lie on those? :)
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> [as to "Windows conversion software supplied" well - errrmmm!
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: Twin Peaks, HHGTTG et al
[18:58] <awilkins> (Vodafone outright lied to me and sold me a plan with no data after I spent 10 minutes explaining to them that I barely made calls or sent texts but I did need data... and then charged me £1 a day every day I used the network. Scummers)
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> ...it is supplied with acopy of windows program - something called Audacity :D
[18:59] <awilkins> It was worth the £70 residual on my contract just to get the filthy stink of Vodafone's SIM card out of my phone.
[18:59] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: :D ooooh VHS?
[19:00] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: not VHS [tho I still have a few vid tapes around awaiting - these are audio
[19:01] <daftykins> ah right, i'd have found it easier to source elsewhere in superior quality :D
[19:01] <daftykins> Twin Peaks soundtrack \o/
[19:01] <SuperEngineer> Twin Peaks = ultimate brain warp = /me
[19:01] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:02] <daftykins> time to try this yorkshire tea i bought
[19:04] <penguin42> eeeh lad
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> by guum - be a good brew me lad
[19:05] <SuperEngineer> [though my slightly cooled bottle of beer is better] :D
[19:09] <SuperEngineer> looks my cassettes are soon to heard in my ears again :D  total cost £9.99
[19:11] <SuperEngineer> oi jpds_ ... make ya mind upo pretty please ;)
[19:12] <SuperEngineer> [& hi]
[19:12] <jpds_> SuperEngineer: Oi, it says my nick is unavailable.
[19:12] <daftykins> hehe
[19:12] <daftykins> jpds_: do you have some time for some strongswan fun at all? me and maps were working on it last night
[19:13] <SuperEngineer> jpds_: idea... change your nick to nick - get your revenge
[19:13] <jpds_> daftykins: Yep.
[19:13] <daftykins> jpds_: excellent :D here's what the client log showed - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7822608/
[19:14] <jpds_> daftykins: You'd have to check what the server says.
[19:15] <daftykins> jpds_: pretty much identical, it's almost as though we need to specify key type or tell it in the client config to send the certificate?
[19:15] <jpds_> daftykins: Also, why are you shoving your certs and keys directly in /etc/.
[19:15] <daftykins> jpds_: basically i put them in /etc/ipsec.d/<folders> to start and kept seeing apparmor messages about DENIED, so wasn't sure if it was being grumpy
[19:16] <daftykins> i shuffled them about and it made no odds
[19:16] <jpds_> Well, apparmor says it's sitting in /etc/.
[19:16] <jpds_> daftykins: Can I see your config?
[19:17] <daftykins> sure 2 mins
[19:18] <jpds_> daftykins: The server shoudl say something else in it's logs.
[19:18] <daftykins> maps|wrk: ^
[19:19] <daftykins> jpds_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826510/
[19:20] <maps|wrk> jah
[19:20] <maps|wrk> ]do i need to show any logs or config
[19:20] <daftykins> maps|wrk: yeah can you paste some of /var/log/syslog that shows up when i try to connect?
[19:21] <daftykins> lemme make an attempt so you get fresh logs
[19:21] <daftykins> in fact on boot mine probably did already
[19:21] <maps|wrk> oke 2sec
[19:22] <daftykins> there we go, 20:21:46 attempt
[19:22] <maps|wrk> gots it
[19:22] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:22] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:22] <maps|wrk> more gifts for jpds_  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826523/
[19:23] <jpds_> Erm, what does the server's config look like?
[19:23] <daftykins> line 8 looks like the ticket
[19:23] <maps|wrk> sec
[19:24] <maps|wrk> jpds_:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826528/
[19:24] <maps|wrk> followed the pdf exactly i thought
[19:25] <jpds_> OK, and you're using a common CA?
[19:26] <jpds_> I would move the certs and keys to /etc/ipsec.d/{certs,private}/
[19:27] <jpds_> Just to keep apparmor happy.
[19:27] <daftykins> will do, certainly made no odds last time
[19:28] <maps|wrk> so is my end ok jpds_ ?
[19:29] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Did you give daftykins a key and cert that were signed by your CA?
[19:29] <daftykins> yip ^
[19:29] <daftykins> i obtained them from maps and popped them into my folders
[19:29] <maps|wrk> yep
[19:30] <diddledan> firewall/router
[19:30] <daftykins> i'm certainly behind NAT, but maps has his box DMZ'd
[19:30] <jpds_> daftykins: In your ipsec.conf, can you edit rightsourceip so it has a ',' instead of a ';' ?
[19:31] <daftykins> wilco
[19:31] <diddledan> oh, you're both running that same config?
[19:31] <daftykins> i'm the client, he's the server
[19:31] <daftykins> jpds_: hang on i don't have that field at all - is that for the server side?
[19:32] <maps|wrk> rightsourceip should have my IP dafty thought we had that?
[19:32] <maps|wrk> oh no maybe not
[19:32] <daftykins> maps|wrk: it's yours that needs the semi colon changed then mate
[19:32] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Ah, that's for you.
[19:33] <maps|wrk> aha
[19:33] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:33] <maps|wrk> so what do i change
[19:33] <maps|wrk> after 24?
[19:33] <jpds_> maps|wrk: line 18.
[19:33] <jpds_> ...of http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826528/
[19:33] <maps|wrk> done
[19:33] <maps|wrk> 24,fe3
[19:34] <maps|wrk> restarted strongswan
[19:35] <daftykins> ok check your logs, i saw a retransmit this time
[19:35] <maps|wrk> ok moment
[19:36] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826569/
[19:36] <maps|wrk> same :<
[19:37] <diddledan> maps|wrk: change left= to your 192 address rather than the hostname which I assume is resolving to a public address
[19:37] <daftykins> ok and i had differences - http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826580/
[19:38] <maps|wrk> so
[19:38] <maps|wrk> left=<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:38] <diddledan> I belive you're missing an 8
[19:38] <maps|wrk> ah yea
[19:38] <daftykins> :D
[19:38] <maps|wrk> but done with the 8
[19:38] <maps|wrk> :P
[19:38] <daftykins> reloaded and ready for retry?
[19:38] <maps|wrk> and restarted again
[19:38] <maps|wrk> yep
[19:39] <daftykins> oh hello, lots more this time
[19:39] <maps|wrk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826598/
[19:39] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826599/
[19:39] <daftykins> haha sequential! \o/
[19:39] <maps|wrk>  10[IKE] IKE_SA deleted
[19:39] <maps|wrk> Jul 20 20:38:57 frogs charon: 10[CFG] lease <IP_ADDRESS> by 'C=UK, O=Example Ltd., CN=client' went offline Jul 20 20:38:59 frogs radvd[2523]: attempting to reread config file Jul 20 20:38:59 frogs radvd[2523]: resuming normal operation
[19:40] <maps|wrk> client went offline hm
[19:40] <maps|wrk> hahaha yea
[19:40] <maps|wrk> Jul 20 20:38:57 vaiotz charon: 09[IKE] no trusted ECDSA public key found for 'C=UK, O=Example Ltd., CN=frogs.zapto.org' could that be why
[19:40] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Think daftykins needs a copy of the ca cert.
[19:40] <maps|wrk> ah i thought that could be what it is
[19:40] <daftykins> ooh a third file
[19:40] <maps|wrk> ok
[19:40] <maps|wrk> i wasnt sure
[19:41] <maps|wrk> gwCert.der ?
[19:41] <maps|wrk> no
[19:41] <jpds_> Yep.
[19:41] <maps|wrk> caCert.der ?
[19:41] <diddledan> make sure the key isn't in it
[19:41] <maps|wrk> which file :|
[19:41] <daftykins> gw
[19:41] <diddledan> caCert.der
[19:42] <jpds_> maps|wrk: That one.
[19:42] <daftykins> oh. heh
[19:42] <daftykins> will i want this one in /etc/ipsec.d/cacerts/ ?
[19:42] <daftykins> silly question i know :>
[19:42] <diddledan> yes
[19:42] <maps|wrk> ok
[19:42] <maps|wrk> its there now
[19:42] <maps|wrk> got the url still daftykins ?
[19:43] <daftykins> errrr
[19:43] <maps|wrk> https://frogs.zapto.org/~mark/swan/
[19:43] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:43] <daftykins> yeah i can make it up from memory
[19:43] <daftykins> or click that \o/
[19:43] <maps|wrk> heh
[19:44] <maps|wrk> if i dont respond say my nick so it flashes my browser :D
[19:44] <maps|wrk> have to do a bit of work now and again ya know
[19:44] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:44] <daftykins> i am connected \o/
[19:44] <maps|wrk> yay
[19:44] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:45] <daftykins> ok let me fiddle with the networking
[19:45] <daftykins> see what's working
[19:45] <maps|wrk> jpds_:  can i use this config for a windows7 machine? i read win7 doesnt support ecdsa
[19:45] <maps|wrk> ah yea check it all works fine good idea
[19:46] <daftykins> i'm a bit confused as to how this malarkey works now then, i don't get an interface, i don't get any network routes...
[19:46] <maps|wrk> hmm
[19:46] <daftykins> "ipsec statusall" tells me i'm <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:46] <maps|wrk> should you have?
[19:46] <maps|wrk> i know that with openvpn you get a new interface
[19:46] <daftykins> i don't have a clue how this setup works :)
[19:47] <maps|wrk> is everything going through my vpn now or nothing lol
[19:47] <jpds_> No interfaces with ipsec.
[19:47] <maps|wrk> jpds_:  what about my windows7 question please:D
[19:47] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Never used Windows with this before..
[19:47] <maps|wrk> thanks
[19:47] <maps|wrk> and iOS?:)
[19:47] <maps|wrk> or also never
[19:47] <jpds_> There's: https://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/Win7Config
[19:47] <maps|wrk> but where would we put the cert/key and cacert:|
[19:48] <maps|wrk> have to make them into a .p12 ?
[19:48] <jpds_> daftykins: sudo ip xfrm policy
[19:49] <jpds_> maps|wrk: https://wiki.strongswan.org/projects/strongswan/wiki/IOS_%28Apple%29
[19:49] <maps|wrk> ive read all those lots of times :D
[19:49] <maps|wrk> but where would we put the cert/key and cacert?? am i right about this p12 ..sure i read that
[19:50] <daftykins> looks like my traffic has definitely changed, as pinging google is dead :D
[19:50] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Probably, I used this for my android phone: http://danielpocock.com/strongswan-debian-rhel-fedora-with-android-client
[19:50] <jpds_> daftykins: It's all going via maps|wrk's box.
[19:51] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7826657/
[19:51] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Did you put the masquerade rule in/
[19:51] <daftykins> should i be able to ping an IP at his end? i'm not even sure what that'd be
[19:52] <daftykins> looks like a no, or maybe the IP forwarding isn't up
[19:52] <maps|wrk> hmm jpds_  nope didnt do any ipforward or iptables..i thought we wouldnt need to as the box is setup as the DMZ?
[19:52] <daftykins> as i can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:52] <maps|wrk> aha
[19:52] <maps|wrk> so i need ipforwarding
[19:52] <daftykins> maps|wrk: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[19:52] <daftykins> 0 or 1?
[19:53] <maps|wrk> 1
[19:53] <maps|wrk> mark@frogs:/etc/ipsec.d/cacerts$ cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward                             1                                                                                mark@frogs:/etc/ipsec.d/cacerts$
[19:53] <daftykins> cool, just need those iptables masquerade rules then
[19:53] <jpds_> maps|wrk: you also need the nat masquerade rules in the slides.
[19:53] <maps|wrk> oh
[19:53] <maps|wrk> ok 2sec
[19:53] <maps|wrk> i didnt realise oops
[19:56] <daftykins> that's a bad maps!
[19:56] <daftykins> i thought we got to that with the convo last night :>
[19:56] <maps|wrk> wlan0 then for me not eth0 yea?
[19:56] <daftykins> if that's your home machines active interface ja
[19:57] <maps|wrk> done!
[19:57] <daftykins> holy moly i can ping google now
[19:57] <daftykins> by IP
[19:57] <daftykins> and by host
[19:57] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:57] <daftykins> plus i have pings consistent with going over via your connection
[19:58] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[19:58] <maps|wrk> how cna you tell because the ms is longer?
[19:58] <daftykins> jpds_: thanks for your assistance :>
[19:58] <daftykins> yep
[19:58] <maps|wrk> so whatismyip.com shows my ip?
[19:58] <daftykins> 60-110 it came up with
[19:58] <foobarry> hmm. plugged in 2 disks in slots 3 & 4 on my microserver but they appear as sda and sdb. thought they would be sdc and sdd
[19:58] <jpds_> daftykins: No worries.
[19:58] <maps|wrk> thanks jpds_
[19:59] <daftykins> jpds_: would it make more sense for security to use other forms vs ECDSA?
[19:59] <daftykins> as in would others be better?
[19:59] <maps|wrk> daftykins: can you fireup ffox and see
[19:59] <daftykins> foobarry: ah the ol' pesky order switcharoo
[19:59] <maps|wrk> just wondering if its all going via the vpn
[19:59] <maps|wrk> i assume so as its not a split tunnel
[20:00] <foobarry> daftykins: bit nervous about adding disks later
[20:00] <daftykins> foobarry: you just mount via UUIDs instead of device names though eh
[20:00] <jpds_> daftykins: That's a question for a crypto expert.
[20:00] <daftykins> maps|wrk: yeah i'm on the sofa with my laptop SSH'd to the laptop i'm VPN'd via though XD
[20:00] <maps|wrk> :D
[20:01] <maps|wrk> should everything be going via my vpn now jpds_ ?
[20:01] <daftykins> i tried to be lazy by installing lynx, but for some reason it gave me a 403 on whatismyip.com 0o
[20:01] <maps|wrk> haha
[20:01] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Yep.
[20:01] <maps|wrk> next step is get it working on ios
[20:02] <maps|wrk> openvpn worked fine except for the issue ive mentioned so many times
[20:02] <maps|wrk> :<
[20:02] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Because you have <IP_ADDRESS>/0 as the subnet.
[20:02] <maps|wrk> and i can use it to watch bbc iplayer when on holiday :DDD
[20:02] <daftykins> hahaha
[20:03] <daftykins> well i suppose i'll just have to get up and use a browser
[20:03] <maps|wrk> lol
[20:04] <daftykins> yep IP is yours
[20:04] <maps|wrk> :DDDD
[20:04] <daftykins> what incriminating activities can i... er i mean hi :D
[20:04] <maps|wrk> lol
[20:05] <maps|wrk> another question
[20:06] <maps|wrk> is it possible jpds_  or anyone to make the vpn users use a specific http proxy say i run a squid proxy on the same vpn machine could i make them use tyhat
[20:06] <maps|wrk> just so i coukd control what can be visited through acls
[20:06] <maps|wrk> couldnt with openvpn
[20:06] <maps|wrk> probably cant
[20:06] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Yeah, you'd have to tweak the iptables rules so it REJECTs normal HTTP traffic.
[20:06] <jpds_> maps|wrk: But it allows traffic to the proxy port.
[20:07] <maps|wrk> but that would rely on the user manually setting their browser to use the proxy if im understand right?
[20:07] <maps|wrk> *understanding
[20:07] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Yep.
[20:07] <jpds_> maps|wrk: Or.
[20:08] <jpds_> maps|wrk: You set a masquerade rule so that all port 80 traffic is forced to the proxy port transparently.
[20:08] <maps|wrk> ah
[20:08] <maps|wrk> thanks very much jpds_
[20:08] <jpds_> No worries.
[20:10] <maps|wrk> successful day:D
[20:11] <daftykins> guess i better remove that software / work out how to reconfigure it without autostart 8D
[20:11] <maps|wrk> :D
[20:12] <maps|wrk> isnt it a vmu made just for this]
[20:12] <maps|wrk> or was it a diff machine i forget
[20:12] <daftykins> nah i switched to a laptop in the end
[20:12] <maps|wrk> ah ya
[20:13] <jpds_> daftykins: Change your auto= config to add.
[20:13] <daftykins> "auto=add" hmm, ok that doesn't make any sense to me XD
[20:14] <daftykins> i'd have expected "auto=off" or something :D
[20:14] <maps|wrk> =]
[20:14] <maps|wrk> adds it but isnt acive
[20:15] <daftykins> i remember being in a job where some guy was going to spend thousands on some hardware VPN equipment, i was going to suggest just two old boxes at either end running VPN software
[20:15] <daftykins> other end being in Monaco
[20:16] <jpds_> daftykins: And now we have strongswan and two Ubuntu VMs.
[20:17] <maps|wrk>  :D
[20:17] <daftykins> >:D
[20:17] <daftykins> there must be some reason why some would still prefer hardware over that though
[20:17] <maps|wrk> my machine (frogs) is like  a 12year old dell
[20:17] <maps|wrk> sounds like a plane taking off at times when you do anything (i linked the sound remember daftykins  :P) but it does the job
[20:17]  * penguin42 did use a pair of Cisco PIX boxes for one VPN, but that was to somewhere very remote where I wasn't sure if I could ever get anyone to help deal with it and it HAD to work
[20:17] <maps|wrk> only prob is sometimes have to turnit off at night because its so loud (its in my room)
[20:18] <daftykins> maps|wrk: oh yeah did you ever get around to investigating that?
[20:18] <jpds_> daftykins: Lack of knowlegde it exists in my experience.
[20:18] <maps|wrk> took it all apart and cleaned it out,.absolutely disgusting amounts of dust in it
[20:18] <maps|wrk> but never managed to figure out what was making it so loud
[20:19] <awilkins> Bearings?
[20:19] <maps|wrk> turned the fans off and it wasnt that ..could be the PSU maybe?
[20:19] <maps|wrk> awilkins:  bearings?
[20:19] <awilkins> On the fans
[20:19] <daftykins> in fans
[20:20] <awilkins> If it makes a noise with no fans on, then it might be coil hum
[20:20] <awilkins> I had a laptop that started off driving me insane unless I turned the CPU power saving off
[20:21] <awilkins> THen it started driving me insane all the time. I had the motherboard replaced and that cured it
[20:21] <awilkins> WAs the power regulation components for the CPU
[20:22] <maps|wrk> can i check that awilkins ?
[20:22] <awilkins> maps|wrk, Only checks I can think of that would show that up would be i) doing different workloads and seeing if the noise changes
[20:23] <daftykins> good ol' EMI
[20:23] <awilkins> ii) Changing the CPU freq / power saving settings in the BIOS  and seeing if that changes
[20:23] <daftykins> i had a Dell with a heartbeat, that used to get irritating if wearing headphones
[20:23] <maps|wrk> yea it does..when its compiling its noisy..idle it hardly is
[20:23] <awilkins> THere you go
[20:23] <penguin42> my desktop is starting to have workload dependent noise; very odd - I think after I changed the PSU
[20:23] <daftykins> penguin42: ah i have that with an Antec PSU :) it tweets under load
[20:24] <awilkins> If there are "spread spectrum" settings in the BIOS they may help if you enable them
[20:24] <awilkins> Although they tend to be on by default (turning them off is an overclockers option because it makes your system marginally more stable at the cost of more EMI)
[20:25] <awilkins> You could test it on another PSU
[20:25] <awilkins> I've even heard tales of things like blobbing hot glue on coils curing it
[20:26] <penguin42> daftykins: Weird isn't it
[20:26] <maps|wrk> spread spectrum setings?
[20:26]  * penguin42 has never heard the spread spectrum stuff causing audible things
[20:26] <awilkins> maps|wrk, They smooth some of the timing clock signal curves out a bit
[20:26] <penguin42> they're hacks to get around some RF emission regulation
[20:26] <awilkins> Which reduces interference emitted by your computer
[20:27] <awilkins> as penguin42 says, to comply with American regulations
[20:27] <penguin42> EU I thought
[20:27]  * awilkins shrugs
[20:27] <penguin42> awilkins: Unfortunately it doesn't actually reduce it - it spreads it out
[20:28] <awilkins> A suggestion I've just seen is using a little paper tube to localize the sound by listening to your motherboard with it...
[20:28] <penguin42> awilkins: The reg says something like that it shouldn't have any peak of more than a certain amount; so it's spread out over a few frequencies
[20:29] <awilkins> Anyway ; best hope for a cure is if it's a coil
[20:29] <awilkins> Where you can glue the loops together (or use paraffin wax, which is apparently what the manufacturers use)
[20:30] <awilkins> Otherwise... no idea.
[20:31] <maps|wrk> so what should i do?! take a fan apart?
[20:31]  * penguin42 doubts it's the fan
[20:31] <maps|wrk> PSU?
[20:32] <awilkins> I say do the paper tube trick
[20:32] <awilkins> Set it compiling and listen to the innards with a paper tube to see where the sound is localized
[20:32] <maps|wrk> i took the whole thing apart and tried to work out where sound came from and couldnt tell
[20:33] <awilkins> It's hard with high pitched noises
[20:33] <awilkins> Hence the tube
[20:33] <awilkins> Roll up a sheet of A4 into something like a fat pencil and aim it at specific components
[20:34] <maps|wrk> could it be the PSU?
[20:34] <awilkins> It could be, there are things in the PSU that can vibrate
[20:35] <maps|wrk> yea it does make a noise with no fans on i disconnected the fans -0 when yoiu say coils and bearings what would i do?
[20:35] <awilkins> Bearings are the parts of the fan where the axle meets the mount
[20:35] <awilkins> So if the noise happens with the fans still, it's not the bearings
[20:36] <maps|wrk> ah
[20:36] <maps|wrk> and the coil?
[20:36] <awilkins> If it's coils, you could try the hot glue or paraffin wax tricl
[20:36] <maps|wrk> coils of what tho how do i get to them
[20:36] <awilkins> The noise will be from the metal coil ringing like a bell
[20:36] <awilkins> They look like a metal coil!
[20:37] <awilkins> They're some of the bits that regulate voltage
[20:37] <awilkins> Which is why the power consumption of the CPU can make them ring / whine / buzz
[20:37] <awilkins> By making the magnetic field in them fluctuate
[20:37] <awilkins> If you dampen the vibration the noise may stop
[20:38] <maps|wrk> is this in the PSU?
[20:38] <awilkins> I think PSUs have them inside but I've never opened one
[20:38] <awilkins> You see them on motherboards too
[20:38] <awilkins> I'd be wary of opening PSUs
[20:38] <awilkins> They have nasty voltages in them
[20:38] <maps|wrk> yea they're mad dangerous
[20:39] <maps|wrk> so what are these coils :D im confused where they are
[20:39] <awilkins> Not as bad as an old style CRT monitor
[20:39] <awilkins> But still not good
[20:39] <awilkins> These things : http://img.techpowerup.org/090218/Coil2.jpg
[20:40] <maps|wrk> ah
[20:40] <maps|wrk> i dont think itll be that i can link to the sound if you want
[20:40] <maps|wrk> its pretty noisy
[20:40] <awilkins> Yeah, put the link in
[20:45] <daftykins> be warned, last time his link finishes playing then quickly starts playing music
[20:45] <daftykins> ;D
[20:45] <javo> Hi there. I've got an issue with my 14.04
[20:46] <daftykins> ask away!
[20:47] <javo> It was working fine, but lately i've installed an ubuntu-base package, and then I dunno why, lost network, graphic card, and audio
[20:49] <javo> in the graphics, it doesn't show the intel, that I had, but another... in sound, it says configuration for torpes (?) and no trace of the network
[20:50] <javo> is there a way to restore it?
[20:50] <daftykins> what package did you install?
[20:50] <javo> to come back to a previous state, i-e?
[20:51] <maps|wrk> torpes?
[20:51] <javo> Not shure. Just the recomended actualizations it said base-ubuntu
[20:52] <javo> yep torpes in the sound
[20:52] <maps|wrk> awilkins:  cant find it atm, the machine i was on about was my old dell desktop..but my old dell laptop (1501) ALSO has a sound issue - it works fine..boots up etc it has xubuntu/.centos on it..BUT has a hideous sound all the time making it unusable
[20:52] <maps|wrk> https://soundcloud.com/mapito/pc
[20:52] <maps|wrk> took it apart etc cant figure out what it was with this either, any ideas?
[20:53] <javo> now i'm accesing the net from a 13.04 system in an extraible device, but also dunno if I can acces the crashed 14.04 from here
[20:54] <javo> or at least reconfigure the network for doing step by step from there
[20:57] <javo> da
[20:58] <javo> daftykins: any suggestion?
[21:20] <maps|wrk> gah hes gone
[21:20] <javo> :(
[21:27] <maps|wrk> ;[
[21:27] <maps|wrk> could u not reinstall ubuntu base again using apt?
[21:30] <daftykins> javo: what's your native language?
[21:32] <javo> daftykins: spanish
[21:32] <daftykins> tried #ubuntu-es ?
[21:33] <javo> i'll do it
[21:33] <javo> thnx
[21:33] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:33] <maps|wrk> couldnt he just reinstall base packafge
[21:35] <javo> maps: but I have not network access now
[21:35] <maps|wrk> ahh
[21:35] <maps|wrk> what about mounting the cd as the apt repo and installing off that@
[21:37] <javo> explain me that please?
[21:37] <maps|wrk> moment il find a link
[21:38] <maps|wrk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptCdrom
[21:38] <maps|wrk> i think that could help?
[21:39] <javo> that way i could reinstall that base package?
[21:39] <maps|wrk> i think so yea
[21:40] <maps|wrk> using the cd as an apt source
[21:40] <javo> I'll try
[21:40] <maps|wrk> :D
[21:41] <javo> Thank you!
[21:41] <maps|wrk> sudo apt-get install --reinstall packagename
[21:41] <maps|wrk> oh done already?
[21:43] <maps|wrk> hope it worked:D
[21:46] <javo> not yet. I must go buy some dvd and burn the image as mine is damaged. :/
[21:46] <maps|wrk> aha
[21:47] <maps|wrk> sudo apt-get -f install sudo dpkg --configure -a - then sudo apt-get install --reinstall
[21:47] <maps|wrk> let me know if it works after
[21:48] <javo> of course!
[21:48] <maps|wrk> ;]
[21:49] <javo> i am just a bit to changing to fedora for this issue!
[21:50] <maps|wrk> :)
[21:50] <maps|wrk> not used fedora for ages
[21:57] <maps|wrk> wow, watching channel 5 black market britain..and wow never knew jin ling cigarettes are made in russia..and are only sold illegally
[21:57] <maps|wrk> cigarettes made to be smuggled lol
[21:58] <maps|wrk>  It has been reported by customs officials as the "most seized" brand in Europe;[1] in 2007, 258 million Jin Ling cigarettes were seized by authorities in EU countries.[4]!
[21:58] <maps|wrk> 258 million!
[22:42] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l6cc3wo4e9bma4d/Screenshot_2014-07-20-23-39-32.png
[22:42] <daftykins> O_O
[22:46] <penguin42> looks a bit cold over there....
[22:47] <penguin42> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643123 :-)
[22:49] <daftykins> D:
[22:49] <daftykins> i'm not jealous one bit, i can't cope as it is
[22:50] <penguin42> indeed, it is a bit warm
[22:51] <maps|wrk> yea
[22:51] <maps|wrk> its horrible sleeping in this hot and sticky weather
[22:52] <maps|wrk> wakeup a few times each night when its super sticky and humid:(
[22:53] <daftykins> >_<
[22:53] <daftykins> even my cat has stopped sleeping beside me
[22:53] <penguin42> falling asleep on the top of the bed seems better
[22:53] <maps|wrk> yea i dont use the duvet or anything, way toooo hot for that
[22:53] <maps|wrk> cant open my windows either..not on a main road but its a cut through and gets busy enough
[22:54] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rswy13k3ohu7206/IMG_20140720_122618.jpg
[22:54] <daftykins> speaking of, she now has her new electronic flap!
[22:54] <daftykins> and she's too afraid of it to use it either way =|
[22:58] <maps|wrk> electronic eh!
[22:58] <maps|wrk> fancy
[22:59] <daftykins> yeah it's pretty cool, when she sticks her head in the tunnel at the other end it reads her microchip, checks her ID and unlocks for her only
[22:59] <daftykins> i saw her try... but the click of the mechanism made her run off
[23:01] <penguin42> perhaps a tasty morsel is needed to get her to try again
[23:01] <daftykins> i only know her dried food, not sure what would be more tempting
[23:02] <daftykins> i did get her to go out through it by holding it open
[23:03] <maps|wrk> thats quite cool microchip this checking her id electric cat flaps
[23:03] <maps|wrk> when we had a cat there was none of this :D
[23:04] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:04] <penguin42> sorry, I've just had a vision of a high security access door where you have to hold your cat up to it to get in
[23:05] <daftykins> do you mean you have to paws at the door?
[23:06] <penguin42> ouch
[23:07] <daftykins> ;D
[23:10] <maps|wrk> heh
[23:12] <maps|wrk> http://www.breedersonline.co.uk/photos/1a/2315x_1.jpg
[23:12] <maps|wrk> thats what i want
[23:13] <daftykins> that address concerned me
[23:13] <daftykins> is that some kinda micro breed 0o
[23:13] <maps|wrk> russian blue kittens!
[23:13] <maps|wrk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Blue
[23:14] <directhex> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_(cat)
[23:15] <maps|wrk> cute
[23:15] <maps|wrk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havana_Brown
[23:15] <directhex> bedtime. earl;y start tomorrow
[23:16] <maps|wrk> russian blues a re nice
[23:16] <maps|wrk> :D
[23:16] <maps|wrk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Blue#mediaviewer/File:RusoAzul4m.JPG
[23:16] <maps|wrk> meow
[23:17] <daftykins> directhex: o/


[14:11] <nawi> I have an old bug that is supposedly fixed and I haven't got any responses https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/308410
[14:28] <tseliot> nawi: that should be fixed. What driver are you using?
[14:28] <tseliot> which version?
[15:06] <nawi> tseliot, i'm using the "nv", driver but that problem persists no matter what driver I attempt to install
[15:06] <tseliot> nawi: what does this command say? apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core
[15:07] <nawi> actually, it seems I can install the nvidia-glx-173
[15:07] <nawi> but the problem persists for 180, which is my goal
[15:07] <tseliot> please attach the output of that command ^^
[15:07] <nawi> xserver-xorg-core:  Installed: 2:1.6.0-0ubuntu14  Candidate: 2:1.6.0-0ubuntu14
[15:08] <nawi>  Version table: *** 2:1.6.0-0ubuntu14 0        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages       100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[15:09] <tseliot> nawi: ok, now I need the output of this command (use pastebin.com to paste the output): sudo aptitude show nvidia-glx-180
[15:09] <nawi> the problem started when I did update and rebooted, there was kernel mismatch between 180 and 185 drivers, then I reinstalled 180 which removed xserver
[15:09] <nawi> now I have xserver but not nvidia-glx
[15:09] <tseliot> 185 doesn't exist
[15:09] <tseliot> yet
[15:10] <nawi> http://stuntmoto.org/php/zf/
[15:11] <nawi> that has 185 too mysteriously
[15:13] <nawi> I found a couple of intrepid sources from apt repositories, l removed then and updated and the problem is gone
[15:13] <nawi> now I'll just need to try installing the driver
[15:14] <nawi> and nvidia-glx-180 is now Version: 180.44-0ubuntu1
[15:15] <tseliot> nawi: ok, so the problem was caused by a package installed from an external repository
[15:15] <nawi> yes, it seems so
[15:15] <tseliot> remove that repository from your sources.list
[15:16] <nawi> already did that and i'm installing the driver now
[15:16] <tseliot> if it doesn't work
[15:17] <nawi> i'll reboot now
[15:17] <tseliot> just type: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia*
[15:21] <nawi> it works now, thanks for the help
[19:11] <jbarnes> apw: ping
[19:49] <tormod> bryce, did you delete all -intel packages from x-updates?
[20:41] <tseliot> tormod: if I get drm from git and then type: make -C linux-core DRM_MODULES="i915"  only drm.ko is built but no i915 any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong?
[20:44] <tormod> tseliot: if you just run "make", is i915 built then?
[20:45] <tseliot> tormod: just "make" gives make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found
[20:45] <tormod> well you are in the linux-core directory?
[20:46] <tseliot> I'm running make -C linux-core now
[20:46] <tseliot> let's see what happens
[20:47] <tormod> your syntax above used to work, at least for other modules
[20:47] <tseliot> tormod: yes, it works for i810, radeon, etc. but not for i915 or i830
[20:48] <tseliot> no, there's no i915.ko
[20:48] <tormod> ah I remember, they ditched it - you're supposed to get it from the kernel now, and not from linux-core
[20:48] <tseliot> the files related to i915 are in shared-core
[20:49] <tormod> the i915 stuff in libdrm/linux-core is rotting
[20:50] <tormod> which means nobody wants to bother with backporting stuff to linux-core which then has to built with any kernel
[20:50] <jbarnes> oh yeah geez don't use the drm repo
[20:50] <tseliot> tormod: basically I'm trying to get the drm bits for the kernel and to make them build with DKMS so that I can use the latest intel driver with libdrm + the drm kernel bits while keeping kernel 2.6.28
[20:51] <tormod> jbarnes: for intel you mean? linux-core is still valid for other drivers right?
[20:51] <jbarnes> kinda
[20:51] <tseliot> jbarnes: where shall I get it for intel?
[20:51] <jbarnes> airlied has been putting stuff he considers stable into his drm-rawhide repos and such
[20:51] <jbarnes> tseliot: for intel just copy the drivers/gpu/drm dir from a more recent kernel
[20:53] <tseliot> jbarnes: ok and then something like make -C linux-core DRM_MODULES="i810 i830 i915" should work, right?
[20:54] <jbarnes> possibly
[20:54] <tseliot> ok
[20:54] <jbarnes> assuming it picks up the right headers too
[20:55] <tseliot> jbarnes: and where can I find them?
[20:55] <jbarnes> include/drm
[20:56] <tseliot> ah, ok
[20:56] <tormod> tseliot: I was just uploading a libdrm and -intel for Jaunty in ~intel-gfx-testing PPA, it might be what you're after
[20:57] <tseliot> tormod: yes, but wouldn't I still need the kernel modules though?
[20:58]  * tseliot would like to use UXA and benefit from the fixes in the kernel
[20:58] <tseliot> (and not having UXA hang X)
[20:58] <tormod> yes, if you need kernel fixes it will not help
[20:58] <tseliot> dkms should be the answer
[21:00] <tormod> or use the "mainline kernel" repo
[21:03] <tseliot> that too but I would like to keep a kernel which is supported and have the new kernel stuff as a module which is automatically rebuilt when the kernel is updated
[21:07] <tormod> yes that sounds nice if it will work
[21:09] <tormod> if the above works, why don't they copy the gpu/drm stuff back into linux-core? would be nice, because then drm-snapshot could be used
[21:09] <tormod> (and drm-snapshot could be ported to dkms of course)
[21:14] <tseliot> right
[21:16] <tseliot> ok, I got it to work from the kernel
[21:17]  * tseliot needs to move it from the kernel to a separate package
[22:56] <tormod> hi bryce, I dropped a libdrm and -intel 2.7.0 in ~intel-gfx-testing
[22:57] <tormod> I did the dirty libdrm-dev Replaces libc-headers. If it's ok you might want to copy it to x-updates.


[20:59] <ajmitch> morning
[21:52] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:03] <snail> hi al
[22:04] <snail> hi all even
[22:13] <chilts> morning