[00:27] <jjesse> evening from miniapolois
[00:28] <Jucato> morning :)
[00:28] <jjesse> evening i think
[00:29] <Jucato> well, the sun isn't coming out, so ok, I'll agree to that :)
[00:30] <Jucato> how are things going in here? :)
[00:30] <jjesse> in the airport waiting for last flight home
[00:30] <jjesse> super tired and super hungry but no time for innder
[00:30] <jjesse> dinner
[00:30] <Jucato> aw :(
[00:30] <jjesse> at least its just an hour
[00:31] <Jucato> eat something, like crackers or whatnot... just to keep you from collapsing due to hunger
[00:32] <Jucato> whooops I think that highlighted someone :D
[00:32] <jjesse> can't have crackers due to wheat allergy
[00:32] <jjesse> and i don't have any snakcs i can eat on me :(
[00:32] <Jucato> double ouch :(
[00:36] <jjesse> yay time to board l8ter g8tor
[00:36] <Jucato> bye! take care
[01:52] <_Groo_> hi/2 all..
[01:52] <_Groo_> any dev alive?
[01:52] <_Groo_> could use some help
[01:58] <_Groo_> anyone?
[04:36]  * ScottK-laptop uploads another Krusader snapshot, "because it's been a while."
[07:18] <vbgunz> I was inside #kde and had a little episode about "Windows Explorer" Vs "Konqueror" on an NTFS partition and a directory with over 5000+ files. Anyhow, I ran strace and we both think we found something that could be a bug. Can someone tell me why strace prints out over 1700 lines over 2 files? I mean this probably leads to 4,675,000 lines over a 5000 file directory... http://dpaste.com/98392/
[07:19] <vbgunz> point being, not to start a war, Windows Explorer screams like lightning in that directory and Konqueror just needs to be put out of its misery with termination. Is that paste a bug?
[07:24] <glade88> pakage gtk2-engines-qtcurve has been removed?
[07:25] <glade88> ok. that was adept not finding it :/
[07:48] <_Groo_> hey ppl anyone alive?
[07:49] <_Groo_> im having a tough problem in the launchpad builder
[07:50] <_Groo_> im building koffice-kde4 beta4 but the builder says he cant find Missing dependencies: libglpk-dev although its in universe. i already have my ppa pointing to the backport deps.. what else am i missing?
[07:50] <_Groo_> locally it build just fine, and i corrected all new files and such..
[07:51] <_Groo_> so koffice2-kde4 beta 4 is good to go, providing the ppa is able to build it :P
[08:13] <_Groo_> any dev alive?
[08:13] <_Groo_> could really use the help
[08:13] <_Groo_> !help
[08:13] <_Groo_> !cookie _Groo_
[08:14] <_Groo_> !cookie| _Groo_
[08:16] <stdin> _Groo_: why not just say what the problem is and wait patiently?
[08:18] <_Groo_> hi stdin, i already did, half an hor ago
[08:18] <_Groo_> hour
[08:18] <_Groo_> im building koffice-kde4 beta4 but the builder says he cant find Missing dependencies: libglpk-dev although its in universe. i already have my ppa pointing to the backport deps.. what else am i missing?
[08:18] <_Groo_> locally it build just fine, and i corrected all new files and such..
[08:18] <_Groo_> so koffice2-kde4 beta 4 is good to go, providing the ppa is able to build it :P
[08:19] <stdin> PPA's don't build against universe/multiverse
[08:19] <_Groo_> ah :( thats the problem then
[08:19] <stdin> fwiw, PPA questions should be in #launchpad
[08:19] <_Groo_> where can i upload it for you guys to review?
[08:19] <_Groo_> stdin: ok, noted
[08:20] <stdin> you just need to "apt-get source libglpk-dev" then create a new changelog entry with (version)~ppa1 and upload
[08:20] <stdin> that will let it build in the PPA but not need you (or your users) to download the package from your PPA if they have universe
[08:21] <_Groo_> ahh ok
[08:21] <_Groo_> and then i can notify you here so you can review it?
[08:22] <stdin> review in what way?
[08:23] <_Groo_> so you can accept it and put it into kubuntu ppa
[08:25] <_Groo_> i also have fixed the libamsn needed by kopete to suport the live msn protocol, after koffice i would like to upload the changed kdenetwork so you guys could update the kubuntu repo also
[08:25] <stdin> I'll have a look, but I won't add. at least not without a few ACKs from other devs
[08:27] <_Groo_> sure, thats the idea :)
[09:02]  * Jucato waves at stdin
[09:02] <stdin> ooh, it's Jucato
[09:03] <Jucato> how are things in Kubuntu-land? :)
[09:04] <stdin> rocKing along
[09:04] <stdin> and very shiny
[09:04] <Jucato> just wanted to drop by and spend a few moments before saying goodbye :P
[09:04] <hunger> Jucato: Where are you going?
[09:06] <Jucato> just dropping off from the Kubuntu radar
[09:06] <stdin> as long as you still use KDE, I'll forgive you
[09:07] <Jucato> of course :)
[09:07] <Jucato> I have a somewhat bigger responsibility now up there :)
[09:08] <etretyak> Jucato: a child? ;-)
[09:08] <hunger> Jucato: Well, thanks for all the stuff you did for kubuntu. I hope you have fun outside kubuntu land!
[09:08] <Jucato> anyway, my membership runs out next month, so not gonna renew
[09:08] <Jucato> etretyak: yes! KDE is my child now! :P
[09:09] <Jucato> hunger: thanks too. see you in KDE land! :)
[09:09] <Jucato> luckily/hopefully we'll still cross paths in KDE um.. "continent" :)
[09:09] <Jucato> (although I will be missing Hobbsee :P)
[09:10] <stdin> shush, she'll bring the stick!
[09:10] <hunger> Jucato: Dunno. I'm rather inactive myself wrt. KDE at this time:-(
[09:10] <Jucato> I no longer ph34r the stick. it can't reach me :)
[09:10] <Jucato> hunger: aw... :(
[09:10] <stdin> one think I've learnt, never underestimate the stick
[09:10] <Jucato> well, we all have our seasons. unfortunately we're not all like Riddell... KDE/Kubuntu all year round :)
[09:11] <Jucato> stdin: hm.. yeah... I might have forgotten that during my hiatus :)
[09:11] <stdin> well Riddell is a dedicated guy for sure
[09:11] <hunger> Jucato: Well, Riddell has the luxury of being paid for kubuntu. I'd spend more time on kde too, if I did not have to do something else to pay the rent.
[09:13] <stdin> well, we'll always have !autostart-#kubuntu to remind us of you :)
[09:27] <Jucato> stdin: hahaha! I need to update that for KDE 4 asap :)
[09:27] <stdin> you're still on KDE3?
[09:27] <stdin> how have you survived so long? :p
[09:27] <Jucato> of course not :)
[09:27] <stdin> ah, you're guide, yes
[09:27] <Jucato> but there are times that I do wish I was on it :)
[09:28] <Jucato> I can escape nvidia borkage in KDE 3 :)
[09:28] <stdin> I never want to look back now, plasma is my friend
[09:28] <Jucato> you must have a very recent/decent graphics card/driver :)
[09:28] <Jucato> but it's not only Plasma.. but Qt/KDE 4 in general
[09:28] <Jucato> s/only//
[09:29] <stdin> it's not really recent, or decent :p
[09:29] <stdin> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[09:29] <stdin> but it works fine
[09:30] <stdin> huh, ubottu you know that wasn't right
[09:31] <smarter> hey
[09:31] <Jucato> stdin: in this context, any Intel is more decent than a legacy nvidia :)
[09:32] <Jucato> I'm talking about 96.xx.xx legacy :)
[09:32] <stdin> even my intel 810 works fine with plama, gotta love open drivers :)
[09:33] <Jucato> yeah I have an i810 as well on the laptop
[11:43] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[11:43] <_Groo_> can anyone tell me if there is any way to add unvierse packages to a ppa without having to upload them one by one?
[11:44] <_Groo_> maybe adding a ppa dependencie that points to universe packages?
[11:48] <stdin> _Groo_: no, you have to do it manually
[11:48] <_Groo_> stdin: it making me nuts.. i been on this for hours now, just to make the damn koffice2 to compile in the ppa
[11:49] <_Groo_> stdin: and to think the simple act to add universe would solve everything..
[11:49] <_Groo_> oh well
[11:49] <_Groo_> trying to be a kubuntu dev isnt easy :P
[11:50] <_Groo_> !cookie| _Groo_
[11:50] <_Groo_> ahhh cookies
[12:15] <doc___> hi there
[12:18] <ScorpKing> hi everyone. where do i find the kickoff menu icon in kubuntu 8.10? i don't see any kickoff related icons on my box. i'm using kde 4.1
[12:50] <smarter> ScorpKing: it's the K icon on the left
[12:51] <smarter> ScorpKing: but please ask this type of question on #kubuntu
[12:51] <ScorpKing> smarter: i know. how can i make it pink? ;)
[12:51] <ScorpKing> smarter: yes i know. stdin just helped me there. thanks anyway
[12:52] <smarter> okay, you're welcome
[12:53] <smarter> (btw, you can actually change icons color using systemsettings --> appearance --> icons --> advanced ;))
[12:56] <stdin> is that different in 4.1.80, because you can only change the effects with 4.1.x
[13:22] <smarter> stdin: actually, one of the "effects" is the color
[13:22] <stdin> smarter: ah, I thought you meant you could change the actual icon to something else
[13:34] <apachelogger> stdin: don't be silly :P
[13:36]  * apachelogger sends stdin and smarter to the batcave
[13:40]  * Jucato plays adam west batman background music in head
[13:43]  * ScottK-laptop notes that mikearthur in #ubuntu-motu is a kdepim developer (he says).  Perhaps someone else wants to help entice him in here to help us.
[13:44] <ScottK-laptop> Do we want an announcement on kubutu.org that 4.1.3 is in intrepid-updates now?
[13:49] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I doubt it's useful since updates is on by default anyway
[13:50]  * apachelogger merges klibido while kdepimlibs is batbuilding
[13:50] <ScottK-laptop> Good point.
[13:51] <ScottK-laptop> I guess it'd just be the PR value of announcing we're keeping people up to date.
[13:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so im uploading the universe packages one by one and waiting for them to build so i can finally build koffice on ppa
[13:53] <_Groo_> apachelogger: is there a good reason for universe not being accepted in ppa build? cause its a pain in the utt
[13:54] <apachelogger> it should be
[13:54] <_Groo_> stdin said otherwise
[13:55] <apachelogger> stdin: why would ppas only support building against main packages?
[13:55] <stdin> ahh, they did once
[13:55] <stdin> it was -backports I was confused with
[13:56] <stdin> which seems to be fixed on edge now
[13:56] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah, learning the hard way.. i hope i get a cookie when im finally done
[13:58] <apachelogger> have to think about that :P
[13:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what? no cookie??? :(
[13:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: small kitten? banana?
[14:00] <apachelogger> maybe a pony
[14:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hmm they are very nice with potatoes... maybe a good wine...
[14:01] <_Groo_> is anyone working on koffice2 beta 4?
[14:01] <_Groo_> hope not :P
[14:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:02]  * apachelogger notes that _Groo_ will nevar get a pony
[14:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: honey!
[14:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: honey?!
[14:03] <Tm_T> nuts!
[14:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahhh :( i was almost tasting it already :P damn...
[14:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what about a puppy?
[14:03] <Nightrose> _Groo_: you don't get any of them if you are going to eat them!
[14:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: they are very tasty also... but dont have much carb
[14:04] <_Groo_> Nightrose: what else was i suposed to do with a pony???
[14:04] <Nightrose> hug it of course
[14:04] <Jucato> ride 'em
[14:04] <apachelogger> cuddles it!
[14:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: so, do we know anyone with broken kde-nightly?
[14:04] <Tm_T> and then eat it
[14:04] <Jucato> color 'em pink
[14:04] <_Groo_> can i eat it AFTER cuddling and riding?
[14:04]  * apachelogger is wondering if the run yesterday did finish at all
[14:04] <Jucato> and *then* eat 'em... raw
[14:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: havn't heard any complains in the last 24 h
[14:05] <apachelogger> well, I'd like to hear some praise
[14:05] <Nightrose> _Groo_: NO!
[14:05] <apachelogger> or rather, if it works at all
[14:05]  * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger
[14:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i can give it a test later
[14:05] <apachelogger> fair enough
[14:06] <apachelogger> that would be worth a cookie I guess
[14:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: puppy? oO
[14:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: with sugar on top?
[14:07] <_Groo_> so if i get it straight.. trying kde-nightly which doesnt involve any effort = 1 cookie
[14:07] <apachelogger> aye
[14:08] <_Groo_> making the koffice2-kde4 beta4 package which is kicking my ... since last night = no cookie, pony or any edible mamals
[14:08] <Nightrose> right
[14:08] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:08] <_Groo_> you know, im pretty sure i read in the kubuntu membership guide lines that kubuntu devs are allowed to eat any kind of mamals
[14:09] <apachelogger> I am quite sure they are not
[14:09] <apachelogger> otherwise we should do a meeting right away
[14:10] <_Groo_> apachelogger: wait for me to get my membership so i can vote :D
[14:10] <apachelogger> only the council would vote :P
[14:11] <_Groo_> apachelogger: damn...
[14:11] <apachelogger> that said, I am the councils supply of cookies... :P
[14:12] <_Groo_> -.-
[14:12] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why did they disabled universe for ppas? too easy for devs? :P
[14:15] <apachelogger> _Groo_: they did not
[14:15] <apachelogger> your issue must be a different one
[14:15] <apachelogger> backports is not on by default
[14:15] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yes it is.
[14:16] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i mean, i enabled it
[14:16] <_Groo_> take a look: https://edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive
[14:17] <_Groo_> its becoming a freaking nightmare, so close yet so far
[14:17] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you shouldn't build against intrepid by default
[14:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ???
[14:18] <apachelogger> _Groo_: if you want me to sponsor the package has to be done for jaunty
[14:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hum.. why? isnt intrepid the standard?
[14:18] <apachelogger> jaunty is development series
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: just a matter of changing the changelog
[14:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: at times it's more than that
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i think im gonna cry... ok.. so need to reupload for jaunty, then universe will work?
[14:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: universe would work for intrpid as well
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yes i know, some libs mya differ
[14:19] <_Groo_> apachelogger: why it isnt then?
[14:20] <apachelogger> the problem you were facing is that certain packages don't appear to be in intrepid
[14:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sure they are, i checked with packages.ubuntu.com
[14:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: all of them..
[14:20] <apachelogger> also the required version?
[14:21] <apachelogger>   pstoedit: Depends: libpstoedit0c2a (>= 3.45-4~1padoka1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: that one was a bug.. im already rebyuilding it
[14:22] <apachelogger> well, I don't see another build log
[14:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the others where for ex: libgraphicsmagick1-dev, libeigen2-dev
[14:22] <_Groo_> apachelogger: because is building as we speak
[14:23] <_Groo_> try now
[14:23] <_Groo_> didnt know why is started compilng that one, if i deleted it and uploaded the ppa1 version :/
[14:23] <_Groo_> i mean dont know
[14:24]  * apachelogger is confused :P
[14:24] <_Groo_> two
[14:24] <_Groo_> im using launchpad beta btw
[14:24] <_Groo_> and i never had any problems with universe before yesterday...
[14:25]  * _Groo_ is very confused
[14:27] <_Groo_> well anyway, gonna wait for the intrepid build to ACTUALLY build, and then im gonna make the jaunty build.. so for you reviews it must be always jaunty then?
[14:28] <apachelogger> _Groo_: well, or whatever is development series at the time ;-)
[14:29] <apachelogger> _Groo_: in general it makes sense to ensure it also builds against $lateststable-backports (e.g. intrepid-backports) to take appropriate actions in order to get the package backported
[14:29] <apachelogger> for example prepare the backport of a new library
[14:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it appears to me kollide is a bit slowish
[14:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok
[14:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: heh - probably still due to release traffic
[14:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: awful, how am I supposed to do KDE release packaging :P
[14:31] <Nightrose> :P
[14:31] <_Groo_> apachelogger: one deb at a time? XD
[14:32] <_Groo_> so beta2 is out? oO
[14:32] <apachelogger> no
[14:32] <apachelogger> we (the ninjas) have super exclusive access to the source before it gets released
[14:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its called svn -.-
[14:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: Super Vindicated Ninjas
[14:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: isnt this (*@&#*(@# suposed to work? pstoedit: Depends: libpstoedit0c2a (>= 3.45-4~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[14:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ive done the usual package by the book.. this ppa is starting to piss me off.. can i just send you my diff?
[14:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i already build it locally and tested it...
[14:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: 99% chance it will work for jaunty without changes too
[14:38] <apachelogger> _Groo_: diff.gz and dsc to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: sent
[14:42]  * _Groo_ warns that using groo packages may cause sexual disfunction, loss of hair and wow addiction
[14:55]  * seele yawns
[15:08] <gambix> i i need a big help on a problem with glib
[15:08] <gambix> the package seem to be broken
[15:24] <_Groo_> seeya later ppl :)
[15:30] <seele> huh.. did pitti remove his blog entry about amarok?
[15:33] <Nightrose> he blogged about amarok?
[15:34]  * DaSkreech tacklehugs Nightrose then throws himself off a cliff
[15:34] <Nightrose> ohnoes!
[15:34] <seele> Nightrose: he commented on some technical stuff.. but it's removed from his blog now
[15:35] <Nightrose> hmmm
[15:35]  * DaSkreech hugs seele. Wheee System settings looks much nicer in 4.3
[15:35]  * Nightrose tries to find it
[15:35] <stdin> who want's to fix bug #307412 ?
[15:36] <DaSkreech> Is there a Kaffiene komplete with Koffee for KDE4 ?
[15:36] <Nightrose> argh!!!!!
[15:36] <Nightrose> thank god he removed that
[15:36] <Nightrose> makes him look very stupid
[15:37] <Nightrose> _very_
[16:08] <Nightrose> ScottK: Riddell: Did pitti ask you about the amarok db? if so also clarification for you: amarok does not require a db setup by the user
[16:08]  * Nightrose still shakes head about that blog entry
[16:25] <apachelogger> Nightrose: bad research
[16:26] <Nightrose> apachelogger: worst blog in days :(
[16:26] <Nightrose> doesn't matter if it was bad research
[16:26]  * apachelogger doesn't read blogs anymore, so he wouldn't know :P
[16:26] <Nightrose> and he said he talked to skot and Jonathan
[16:26] <Nightrose> Scott even
[16:27] <Nightrose> which makes it even worse
[16:27] <Nightrose> and worst thing: people read it and will actually believe the bs
[16:27] <Nightrose> :(
[16:27] <Nightrose> but oh well...
[16:28] <Nightrose> at least he took it offline
[16:28] <apachelogger> Nightrose: write a blog puting things straight
[16:28] <Nightrose> hmmmm
[16:28] <apachelogger> planet ubuntu got almost 4k google reader subscribers
[16:29] <Nightrose> oh dear...
[16:29] <apachelogger> all those have that stuff in the reader cache
[16:29] <Nightrose> indeed
[16:29] <Nightrose> f*ck!
[16:30] <Nightrose> sounds like i need to write a blog entry
[16:30]  * Nightrose sights
[16:32]  * apachelogger huggles Nightrose and gives her a hot cup of tea
[16:32] <Nightrose> :) thx honez
[16:32] <Jucato> good luck :)
[16:33]  * Jucato waves good night
[16:33] <Nightrose> nini Jucato
[16:33] <Jucato> I didn't get the blog post from the planet. luckily Google cached it :P
[16:33]  * Nightrose should teach parley not to change her keyboard layout
[16:33] <apachelogger> now that is ugly behaviour :P
[16:34] <Nightrose> hehe nah it is what i told it to do
[16:34] <Nightrose> there is just a small bug with it
[16:34] <Nightrose> when typing in spanish vocabulary i want it to have a spanish keyboard layout so i can type the special characters
[16:35] <Nightrose> but for some reason it doesn't go back to the german layout when i close parley
[16:35] <apachelogger> I am not sure I would want a completely different layout for that
[16:36] <Nightrose> well i wanted to give it a try :P
[16:36] <Nightrose> and it is handy i have to say
[16:49] <seele> Nightrose: he heard us talking about amarok requiring mysql and no the setup does not require the user to enter a password
[16:49] <Nightrose> i see
[16:49] <seele> Nightrose: if we use kpackagekit (which we most likely will).. they wont have a chance to set it on setup, it defaults to no password
[16:50] <Nightrose> yea shouldn't be a problem then
[16:50] <Nightrose> it is completely configuration free
[16:50] <Nightrose> mysql != mysql embedded
[17:01] <Riddell> Nightrose: shaking head at which blog entry?
[17:02] <Nightrose> Riddell: pitti's - he took it offline already
[17:02] <Nightrose> it was very uninformed
[17:03] <smarter> care to paste it somewhere so we can all see it? :]
[17:03] <Nightrose> sec
[17:05] <Nightrose> http://pastebin.com/d15f31c95
[17:06]  * Nightrose would have expected better of him
[17:06] <Nightrose> but oh well
[17:06]  * Nightrose drinks tea and chills
[17:06] <Riddell> how strange
[17:07]  * rgreening yawns
[17:51] <jjesse> afternoon
[17:53] <Riddell> hi jjesse, crisis managed?
[17:53] <jjesse> Riddell yes crisis managed
[17:53] <jjesse> caleb had a fever and was consipitated which is why he wasn't sleeping
[17:54] <jjesse> loaded him up on prune juice and cleared up both problems
[17:55] <jjesse> how's the discussion todya?
[18:01] <jjesse> the discussion must be captiviating as no one is responding
[18:31] <jjesse> wow the prune juice kicked in big time for caleb
[18:36] <directhex> o_o
[18:39] <quassel251> ahem
[18:41] <Riddelll> why does quassel feel the need to include a window showing the raw IRC protocol?
[18:47] <jjesse> because
[18:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: have you seen the mail on the kubuntu list about kaffeine being removed?
[18:48] <Nightrose> Riddell: i have that here as well and since my phonon is b0rked i can't watch videos right now
[18:48] <Nightrose> :(
[19:06] <Riddell> Nightrose: yeah, working on it
[19:06] <Nightrose> ok thx
[19:06] <Nightrose> installed vlc now
[19:25] <yuriy> huh nobody here is subscribed to bug 269191
[19:25] <yuriy> but someone is working on a package, right?
[19:34] <Riddell> yuriy: yes, ScottK-laptop
[19:34] <ScottK> yuriy: I've been picking at it.
[19:38] <ScottK> Anyone wants to jump in and make it work, feel free.  For Intrepid you'll also have to backport mlt and mlt++.
[20:12] <rgreening> gobby stands for gobble up your notes
[20:29] <ScottK> Having read nixternal's blog post ...  What IRC client are we shipping?
[20:29] <Riddell> yes
[20:30] <ScottK> Yes we are shipping one, but we don't know what it is yet?
[20:31] <Riddell> no resolution yet
[20:35] <nixternal> ScottK: read the comment in that post, as it will answer that
[20:35]  * smarter votes for Quassel :]
[20:36] <nixternal> if k3b comes out with a kde4 release we can use, then it just leaves konvi as the only KDE 3 app, and trying to rid ourselves of that would mean we would lose konvi on the cd, but it would still be available in the archive
[20:36] <smarter> do we have a replacement for knetworkmanager?
[20:37] <nixternal> smarter: nope, but we didn't get to see tonio show off the knetworkmangler kde4 version...pretty pimp but far from perfect
[20:37] <ScottK-laptop> Well if IRC is the primary means of getting end user support, I'd think we should ship an IRC client in the default install....
[20:38] <nixternal> we will probably utilize the kubuntu-users mailing list as the primary in the future, as some complaints from new users is that the main support is on IRC, which they are uncomfortable with
[20:38] <directhex> people complaining because there's not *enough* mailing listage?
[20:39]  * smarter is more confortable with IRC than ml :P
[20:40] <nixternal> smarter: as I am as well, but unfortunately being a fairly substantial community distribution, we have to listen to the users....if it is that much of a worry that we have IRC, I suggest people start helping Sho_ get it ported and working in KDE 4
[20:41] <seele> mailing lists are much more commonplace than IRC
[20:41] <smarter> ...or we switch to Quassel :p
[20:41] <nixternal> smarter: yes, the IRC client that connects to localhost by default instead of a real IRC server
[20:41] <nixternal> I say screw it, and we ship Irssi
[20:42] <smarter> nixternal: and we remove X
[20:42] <nixternal> oh man, that would rock!
[20:43] <nixternal> everyone complaining about their ati cards...get rid of x and ati cards work perfectly :)
[20:43] <smarter> hehe
[20:43] <smarter> they will complain about framebuffer drivers not working at full speed :p
[20:43]  * directhex locks up nixternal's framebuffer console
[20:43] <nixternal> I haven't locked that up in a super long time
[20:43]  * smarter remembers http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclux :]
[20:44] <directhex> uncyclopaedia is on wikia now? o_o
[20:45] <seele> ok.. am i stupid or something
[20:45] <nixternal> something
[20:45] <seele> i cant get quassel to connect
[20:45] <nixternal> seele: change localhost in quassel's settings
[20:45] <seele> added a connection.. put irc.freenode.net in hostname.. port 6667
[20:45] <nixternal> haha, nice
[20:45] <seele> clicked ok.. it's added.. click OK and it says it didn't connect
[20:45] <seele> no other information
[20:45] <seele> so uh.. what did i do wrong?
[20:46] <smarter> on the buffer view in the list, you should have Freenode, click on it, then on buffer state and see if it's trying to connect, if not, right click on freenode --> connect
[20:46] <smarter> also, the version of quassel in Kubuntu 8.10 is a bit outdated
[20:47] <seele> no.. its not in that list
[20:47] <seele> oh wait
[20:47] <seele> what's quassel core?
[20:47] <smarter> quassel has two parts
[20:47] <smarter> quasselcore and quasselclient
[20:47] <smarter> the client connects to the core
[20:48] <seele> i just apt-get install quassel and typed quassel in krunner
[20:48] <smarter> this allow to have a core on a remote system, so that you can stay connected on the net
[20:48] <seele> is that the client or core?
[20:48] <smarter> none :p
[20:48] <Nightrose> seele: that is the standalone package that has both
[20:48] <smarter> this is a version with both client and core built in the same exe
[20:48] <smarter> for those who don't have a server
[20:49] <smarter> (thought it's also handy to stay connected when you reboot X)
[20:49] <seele> ok.. so how do i get to the client? i clicked the Quassel icon
[20:49] <Nightrose> seele: if you have a server with a core somewhere like i do you only need to install the client and can save some discspace that way
[20:49] <seele> gah
[20:49] <Nightrose> ?
[20:51] <seele> ok.. so i installed quassel-client, opened it.. put irc.freenode.net 6667 and it still wont connect
[20:51] <Nightrose> where did you put it? in the connect dialog at the beginning?
[20:51] <seele> why does it still say quassel core?  i apt-get removed quassel and installed quassel-client
[20:51] <seele> yes.. the first dialog
[20:52] <Nightrose> that one is only for connecting to the server where your core is running
[20:52] <seele> that's stupid
[20:52] <Nightrose> (yes usability of quassel is a nightmare still)
[20:52] <seele> and we want to ship this?
[20:52] <Nightrose> i don't think it is ready for that yet
[20:52] <Nightrose> i am trying to push them in the right direction from time to time but it needs someone with more time and knowledge to really get it perfect
[20:53] <seele> ok.. so.. hmm
[20:53] <seele> where do i add an irc network?  File -> Networks gave me a dialog that was completely disabled
[20:53] <Nightrose> are you running the client only now? without a core?
[20:54] <Nightrose> if so that will not work
[20:54] <seele> quassel-client
[20:54] <seele> what?
[20:54] <Nightrose> install the quassel package if you just want to try it localy
[20:54] <seele> so it's not a client?
[20:54] <Nightrose> what you have is a client but it needs a core to connect to
[20:55]  * seele faceslaps
[20:55] <Nightrose> if you install "quassel" you get both in one
[20:55] <seele> forget this.. apt-get remove
[20:55] <Nightrose> it is kinda like irssi with screen
[20:55] <Nightrose> but with a (not yet perfect) gui
[20:56] <seele> and we expect people to use this for support reasons?
[20:56] <Nightrose> if you have suggestions on how to improve it one of their lead devs is a friend of mine - i can get you in touch with them or anyone you could recommend
[20:56] <seele> they'll need support just to install the thing
[20:56] <seele> i'd rather just get konversation ported :)
[20:56] <Nightrose> jep as I said i don't think it is ready for that
[20:57] <Nightrose> it needs a lot of work to be usable by joe-user
[20:57] <Nightrose> it works nice for me now that i know how to use it and compared to a few months ago it is already a lot better
[20:57] <smarter> if it's properly installed and configured(thought I'm not sure there is a system-wide config file?), users shouldn't have too much problems
[20:58] <Nightrose> smarter: there are still too many problems
[20:58] <ScottK-laptop> How's their security history?
[20:58] <Nightrose> very good so far afaik
[20:58] <ScottK-laptop> IIRC we patched a significant security bug right before Intrepid release.
[20:58] <ScottK-laptop> \sh took care of it, i think.
[20:58] <Nightrose> jep he is a friend of sput
[20:59] <Nightrose> one of the lead devs
[20:59] <smarter> http://www.quassel-irc.org/node/89
[20:59] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  That's the one.
[21:00] <smarter> between <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>(with the fix) ten days passed, I don't know when the bug was reported but it looks like it was quiet quickly fixed
[21:03] <ScottK-laptop> That's the reason why I asked though.  If that's the only one and they're responsive, not a big deal.
[21:08] <ScottK-laptop> I misremembered.  It was apachelogger that took care of the quassel security issue right before release.
[21:35] <jjesse> afternoon everyone :)
[21:35]  * jjesse finished christmas shopping today ;)
[21:37] <jpds> jjesse: You're back /home?
[21:37] <jjesse> jpds: yeah i had to go home early due to family emergency
[21:37] <jpds> jjesse: Ah, sorry to hear that.
[21:38] <jjesse> son wasn't sleeping due to fever, ear ache, etc and because of that wife had like 5 hours of sleep all week while i was at uds
[21:38] <jpds> :(
[21:38] <jjesse> yeah
[21:38] <jjesse> so i came home early
[21:38] <jjesse> but a lot of the stuff i cared about was already discussed which was nice
[22:33] <Riddell> Nightrose: do you know why the library amarok uses is a static library?
[22:34] <Nightrose> mysql embedded? you'd need to ask Aides about that
[22:34] <Nightrose> he is the mysql guru
[22:35] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[22:40] <Riddell> hi Nightrose
[22:40] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[22:40] <Nightrose> ;-)
[22:41] <NCommander> Riddell, I need your help on something
[22:41] <NCommander> Where are you heading after this meeting?
[22:42] <Riddell> no plans
[22:55] <seele> Riddell: did you get your tshirt?
[22:55] <Riddell> seele: nope
[22:56] <seele> hmm.. i saw the boxes under the tables but i dont know if they were empty
[22:57] <seele> nixternal is crew, you should see if he can nab you one
[22:57]  * seele pokes nixternal
 they're over there on the table
[23:29] <glatzor> Tonio_, http://launchpad.net/~packagekit/+archive
[23:42] <Riddell> * spec for review https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntyKDEPackaging
[23:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: is there a new kaffine up?  does it fix your problem?
[23:44]  * Nightrose checks
[23:44] <Riddell> i.e. it should be up, might be on your mirror
[23:45] <Nightrose> no update yet
[23:45] <Nightrose> i am using the main server i think
[23:46] <Riddell> oh grr
[23:46] <Riddell> I messed up
[23:46] <Riddell> again
[23:47] <Nightrose> heh no problem - i am probably up for another hour at least if you need me to check later
[23:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: you are in good company
[23:48]  * apachelogger just broke batbuild
[23:49]  * Nightrose hands out cookies to the b0rkers :P
[23:50] <Riddell> Nightrose: 0.8.7-1ubuntu3~intrepid2 uploaded, look out for it appearing, should be fairly fast I believe the bulidds are quiet this week
[23:50] <Nightrose> alright
[23:50] <Nightrose> thx


[13:34] <lukeen> maybe this can be anyhow useful for you: http://lukeen.blogspot.com/2007/12/some-orange-icons.html ?
[23:53] <rainwalker> is there a set release when hardy's new theme will be used?
[23:53] <troseph> It will probably come out with the final release.
[23:55] <rainwalker> aw...ok, thanks :)
[23:56] <rainwalker> who actually decides what theme to use? does the design team have a vote or something?


[13:40] <airk> Topic typo? Should it not be 11.04.02?
[14:25] <jibel> primes2h, hi,
[14:26] <jibel> primes2h, I reviewed the fix, here is the laptop summary I get with the testing dataset http://paste.ubuntu.com/578357/
[14:26] <jibel> primes2h, looks good
[14:27] <jibel> but it would probably have been easier to generate the report with on single sql query and relying on the active milestone rather than splitting the milestone name.
[14:27] <jibel> but well, that's lot of changes for little benefit.
[14:28] <primes2h> Hey jibel:
[14:30] <primes2h> jibel: you mean the single laptop report page?
[14:32] <primes2h> jibel: like this one? http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/laptop/Natty/28034
[14:33] <jibel> primes2h, I mean the laptop summary page: http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/laptop
[14:35] <jibel> there is code like $releasename=substr($milestone->title,0,strpos($milestone->title," "));
[14:35] <jibel> pushed to an array
[14:35] <jibel> the used to do a like and find the milestone back
[14:35] <jibel> but nevermind.
[14:36] <primes2h> jibel: in fact, I needed to do that because I want that milestones about final releases (e.g. Lucid or Natty when ready)  stay on the tracker together with active dev milestone.
[14:38] <jibel> oh okay.
[14:38] <primes2h> jibel: so in that table you'll have, e.g,  Lucid (referred to final release) and Natty  (Beta1)
[14:39] <primes2h> jibel: in fact you can use the tracker to test final releases also.
[14:39] <primes2h> and all (stable and dev) are reported on the summary
[14:40] <jibel> primes2h, understood
[14:41] <jibel> primes2h, any other fix, typo, comments, complaints ... before I merge it ? ;-)
[14:41] <primes2h> jibel: the fix about last bug is just a line, when I tested locally I hadn't so much data reported about ISO tracker so I didn't catch it.
[14:42] <jibel> primes2h, same here I'm so used to see all the releases at once that I didn't see it.
[14:43] <primes2h> jibel: we are starting to test the tracker itself within our Italian testing group, I was wondering if it is worth opening to whole testing team
[14:45] <primes2h> Beta milestone is coming in 3 week and time is not so much.
[14:46] <primes2h> I mean "beta 1"
[14:46] <primes2h> s/week/weeks
[14:49] <primes2h> Moreover, we are also thinking about creating a LP laptop team with a dedicated ML in time for the announce of the new tracker. What do you think?
[14:50] <primes2h> jibel: I mean "LP laptop testing team"
[15:06] <primes2h> jibel: about other fix, typo ecc., I think it should be ok now, but it's probably better to wait 2/3 days of testing in case we face other issues
[15:56] <jibel> primes2h, sorry, was on the phone.
[16:09] <primes2h> jibel: n.p.
[16:18] <jibel> primes2h, a laptop testing team on launchpad and opening the tracker to a wider community is a good idea.
[16:19] <jibel> primes2h, the fixes will be online early next week, starting from there we can start announcing the availability of the tracker.
[16:25] <primes2h> jibel: about opening to a wider community I was talking about testing the tracker itself for 2/3 days to find bugs in it, but in fact there is not much time left I see.
[16:27] <primes2h> jibel: Tests done by our group should be enough.
[16:28] <primes2h> jibel: there is already one done and seems to be ok.
[16:28] <primes2h> http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/laptop/Natty/28034
[16:31] <primes2h> jibel: just to explain better, the table you find in the report is intended to keep track of all milestone tested, one for column.
[16:38] <charlie-tca> jibel: Can we have the screen-reader install on the tracker for the beta1
[16:38] <charlie-tca> ?
[16:38] <primes2h> jibel: as follow: http://img845.imageshack.us/i/schermatai.png/
[16:50] <primes2h> jibel: ok about LP team and ML, I'll go on, thank you.
[16:51] <jibel> primes2h, thanks to you. I did the merge but didn't request the publication to the server, let me now when you think you've received enough feedback.
[16:56] <jibel> charlie-tca, sure, can you file a bug against the project ubuntu-qa-website and assign it to me. Indicate which products you want to add this test case to.
[16:56] <primes2h> jibel: just a last thing. after testing the tracker itself, the fake milestone needs to be deleted, not just hidden, otherwise it appears on the report. That's because I had just 3 milestone status to choose about that, testing, released and hidden.
[16:57] <charlie-tca> jibel: thanks, will do
[16:58] <primes2h> so I needed to have a milestone that wasn't on the tracker (e.g. Alpha 1) when testing Alpha 2 but that would appear in the report
[16:59] <jibel> primes2h, ack.
[16:59] <primes2h> Hidden status is the only one that fit this need
[17:24] <primes2h> jibel: a last thing, what about a dedicated ML along with LP team? is it worth or it's better to rely on ubuntu-qa ML?
[17:26] <primes2h> jibel: this is "really" the last thing for today, sorry for boring you ;-)
[17:27] <jibel> primes2h, np :)
[17:27] <jibel> primes2h, the advantage of relying on ubuntu-qa is that you'll directly benefits of the subscribers to this ML
[17:27] <primes2h> jibel: I agree.
[17:30] <primes2h> jibel: can I specify the LP team as a part of the ubuntu-qa in the description?
[17:31] <primes2h> I mean as an official project
[17:31] <primes2h> and link it in some way to ubuntu-testing
[17:33] <primes2h> mmh, I could add it as a team in the Ubuntu Testing Team itself
[17:40] <jibel> primes2h, it was discussed and accepted at UDS, so it's already an official project part of the Ubuntu testing effort. Now the laptop testing team should be a subteam of the broader Ubuntu testing team. ubuntu-qa includes QA activities as a whole, not only testing.
[17:43] <primes2h> jibel: sure, thanks for the confimation. :-)


[00:28] <elopio> balloons: still around?
[04:13] <wreckertheonly> hello?
[08:05] <DanChapman> good morning jibel and elfy
[08:06] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[08:06] <jibel> Hey DanChapman
[08:06] <jibel> morning elfy
[08:06] <elfy> hi jibel :)
[09:22] <DanChapman> jibel what would be the best way to apend additional repo's to a sources.list file say to enable universe. I have tried echo "universe" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list but that appends to a new line which i don't want. How do i append to the end of the first line?
[09:28] <DanChapman> jibel never mind, sed -e 's/$/ universe/' does the trick
[10:00] <jibel> DanChapman, that or sudo add-apt-repository universe
[10:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:38] <DanChapman> jibel, what would the best way to get the ubiquity runner to work from a local directory. Would it be zipping it up and pack it in when preparing initrd then just unpack & move when run-autopilot kicks off on the other side?
[11:40]  * DanChapman is getting bored of having to push EVERYTHING!
[11:40] <jibel> DanChapman, this is a solution, another is to use the vvfat driver of qemu, but that might interfere with the installer because it'll see an additional drive
[11:40] <jibel> DanChapman, let me try something
[11:41] <DanChapman> jibel, awesome thanks :-)
[13:30] <jibel> DanChapman, I tried with vvfat but it makes the test fail because it is presented as sda and the partitioner takes the 1rst volume available. I'll try something else.
[13:31] <jibel> DanChapman, however it is interesting to note that ubiquity doesn't complain if you install ubuntu on the 512MB volume :)
[13:33] <DanChapman> jibel, did it get past the 'preparing to install' page it usually should stop there with the next button becoming inactive
[13:34] <DanChapman> jibel, well it did when i trialed it a while back. Should really get a testcase for that
[13:34] <jibel> DanChapman, it does because there is a second disk with the required amount of space
[13:35] <DanChapman> jibel, thats interesting :-)
[13:35] <jibel> DanChapman, I'll try 9p instead of fat, just to see how the partitioner presents it
[13:43] <jibel> DanChapman, it works with virtfs and it is invisible to partman
[13:59] <DanChapman> jibel, brilliant :-) thanks for taking the time to figure it out. Will be so much nicer working with it
[14:30] <elopio> davmor2: the tests we are missing on the jenkins jobs are: online accounts ui, ubuntu system settings, ubuntu terminal, ubuntu weather.
[14:31] <davmor2> elopio: thanks I'll have a look if I can ever re-trace these crashes
[14:33] <DanChapman> balloons, jibel, quick question are packages from the partner repository allowed for test dependencies on jenkins? disc0tech is working on some rhythmbox tests and wants to mock a radio station but currently depends on gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner
[14:36] <davmor2> elopio: terminal will possibly be down to the fact that the backend needs to be rebuilt against 5.2.1 it only shows the shell and nothing else,  Weather app only shows the loading page and goes no further too so I will look if those are fixed now but I doubt they are
[14:42] <jibel> DanChapman, you can install any package from archive.ubuntu.com
[14:42] <DanChapman> jibel, great thanks :-)
[14:47] <jibel> DanChapman, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7033346/ should save you some bzr pushes :)
[14:47] <jibel> and comments too
[14:48] <DanChapman> jibel, excellent! thank you so much :-D
[14:48] <jibel> DanChapman, I'm doing few more tests to make sure I didn't break too many things and will push this
[15:10] <jibel> DanChapman, added option -D to r6127, ie run: ./ubiquity-autopilot-runner/run-ubiquity-test -D --sdl ~/iso/ubuntu/trusty-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:15] <balloons> DanChapman, I assume we have a bit more to do then on https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/test-runner/+merge/206581?
[15:38] <DanChapman> jibel thats brilliant thanks :-)
[15:40] <DanChapman> balloons, howdy :-) yes it will also come in handy for that aswell. I'll look into it once i have got rid of this pesky bug in the custom install tests.
[16:35] <senan> balloons,DanChapman : helloo...is this code enough for reporting the bug http://paste.ubuntu.com/7033834/
[16:36] <balloons> senan, I'm not sure exactly what the problem was you were encountering. But in general, the smallest amount of code that will show the issue is the way to go :-)
[16:38] <senan> balloons, its some object identification issue Scan Folder... is not detecting in autopilot3
[16:39] <senan> balloons, I'm also not sure what description I should give. :(
[16:40] <senan> DanChapman, need your help ;)
[16:48] <DanChapman> senan you can simplify that testcase to just simply selecting the menuitem there isn't any need to go clicking round the UI :-)
[16:53] <senan> DanChapman, like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7033915/
[16:54] <senan> DanChapman, I'm not sure what description I should give
[16:54] <senan> pls help me on that too
[17:03] <DanChapman> senan it doesn't need the test_open_remote_folder the issue is with the '...' / '\u2026' not being recognised/selectable in autopilot3. Also it could do with an assert just to check it's selected
[17:04] <DanChapman> senan, just describe what the problem is and if you give me the bug number after i'll add any details that are missing
[17:27] <balloons> elopio, is there a good time to have a look at weather today?
[17:27] <elfy> when the sun is up?
[17:27] <DanChapman> balloons, weathers pretty grey here ;-p
[17:27] <elfy> oh dear
[17:27] <elfy> English humour strikes twice :p
[17:28]  * balloons shakes head slowly
[17:28] <DanChapman> :-D
[17:28] <balloons> believe it or not, it's grey here too!
[17:28] <elfy> I bet our grey is greyer :p
[17:29] <elfy> actually I had sun - but shhh
[17:29] <balloons> ohh it surely is. But it's an odd day for us
[17:41] <DanChapman> balloons, i'm reviewing the rhythmbox test atm. Could i get your thoughts on the utility function naming style?
[17:42] <balloons> DanChapman, quick link to mp? I was just looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~adam-disc0tech/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/fileroller/+merge/208183
[17:43] <DanChapman> https://code.launchpad.net/~adam-disc0tech/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/rhythmbox
[17:43] <DanChapman> balloons, ^^
[17:43] <DanChapman> the majority of them are in base.py
[17:44] <balloons> DanChapman, I prefer _ as leading char and I like camelCase
[17:45] <balloons> DanChapman, I believe pep8 suggests function naming to be that way. However, I think most tests stick to _ anyway in the autopilot world
[17:46] <balloons> in regards to this mp, it feels a bit weird, since it feels like he's mixing styles
[17:47] <DanChapman> balloons, ok cool and what about the given/when/then flow of the tests?
[17:47] <balloons> ohh hehe
[17:47] <balloons> well, I think we spoke a bit about how we'd like to see things; so that would apply here as well
[17:48] <balloons> namely, the object class model idea
[17:48] <balloons> testsuite run ok?
[17:49] <balloons> DanChapman, I think I can appreciate his desire to make tests more readable, but I would rather see it done a different way. I would support renaming and dropping the given, when, and then from the function names
[17:50] <balloons> comments and logger debug statements can fill in instead.
[17:50] <DanChapman> balloons, yes i agree. Ok well I will I have made a start on the eog test to see how it goes today which i can then show him as a reference. It ran ok but the combobox selection is a bit flaky though  (failed a couple of times)so that needs toughening up
[17:50] <balloons> is disc0tech here atm?
[17:52] <balloons> DanChapman, are we comfortable merging with the changes we mentioned above? Again, I think I would pursue the refactor as a separate mp and land this
[17:56] <DanChapman> balloons, yes I agree I will make the recommendation I have for the combobox but apart from that it works good locally and in the runner
[17:56] <balloons> DanChapman, I'll add a quick note as well. It looks like a nice testcase for a big app.. Good stuff ;-)
[17:57] <elopio> balloons: today is not good for me. I'm doing slides for tomorrow.
[17:57] <elopio> I had it planned for tomorrow, but if you can start earlier, even better.
[17:58] <DanChapman> balloons, yes it's comae along nicely. He's actually working on improving the radio test case by mocking a radio station so it has no external sources which is cool :-)
[18:00] <balloons> elopio, ahh.. yes do prepare for your talk.. no worries
[18:07] <senan> DanChapman, balloons : Bug #1287834
[18:13] <senan> DanChapman, balloons : I've added bug number to the test and resubmitted the MP..Dan can you please take a look at the bug number and please add if I missed something


[08:28] <mlankhorst> o/
[08:28] <willcooke> hi mlankhorst
[08:28] <willcooke> So folks - we have a problem
[08:28] <willcooke> Xmir on the N7 using EGL causes reboots of the device
[08:28] <willcooke> It works fine and dandy on my x86 laptop
[08:29] <willcooke> and it's stable on my BQ phone too
[08:29] <mlankhorst> and SW mode doesn't ignore the alpha channel if you specify XRGB format :/
[08:29] <mlankhorst> willcooke: it's stable now with the separate thread for flipping disabled right? before it was slightly unstable?
[08:29] <willcooke> So we need some help to trouble shoot this ASAP - it's getting to be quite important
[08:30] <willcooke> mlankhorst, on my N7 with the Xmir binary from your website I can cause a reboot by simply trying to resize the window
[08:30] <willcooke> *every time*
[08:30] <mlankhorst> I mean on the BQ phone
[08:30] <willcooke> ah, right - I'll need to update my phone to the latest bin.  please hold :)
[08:31] <mlankhorst> if it was stable before don't worry
[08:31] <willcooke> oki - still interested to see if I have similar problems - hopefully not
[08:31] <mlankhorst> but I was getting corruption when I moved flipping to a separate thread.. still wish there was a way to do so..
[08:39] <willcooke> mlankhorst, latest Xmir binary on phone doesn't update the screen,  I just have the LO splash screen
[08:41] <mlankhorst> oke :/
[08:47] <willcooke> mlankhorst, is there a hacky workaround for the transparency issue if we need it?
[08:48] <willcooke> I'm thinking that I can use -sw mode if I have to - as long as it's not see-through  :)
[08:48] <mlankhorst> I tried, need to understand how the initial background is blanked better..
[08:48] <willcooke> oki
[08:48] <mlankhorst> -sw mode has no -2x support or rotation
[08:55] <willcooke> mlankhorst, can live without it
[15:22] <micahf> hey, i'm having trouble with multitouch in chrome on 14.10
[15:23] <micahf> two finger gestures work so-so (scroll, pinch zoom), but i can only get one touch event!
[15:23] <micahf> i'm using a lenovo x220t convertable laptop
[15:24] <micahf> the thing is, in ubuntu 13.10, I was able to use multitouch events with an acer w700 and aura builds of chrome
[15:24] <micahf> i've done lots of searching and am baffled!!!
[15:25] <micahf> maybe this has nothing to do with Mir!!!
[15:25] <ogra_> most likely :)
[15:26] <ogra_> perhaps someone in #ubuntu-x has a clue
[15:26] <micahf> ogra_: thanks :)
[15:26] <micahf> ah, x is running on top of mir in 14.10?
[15:27] <ogra_> no
[15:27] <ogra_> Mir isnt used at all in a default install
[15:27] <ogra_> only in the desktop-next builds
[15:27] <micahf> ohhh :) got it!
[15:27] <micahf> ah, i will avoid those builds for now!
[15:27] <micahf> good luck with them though
[15:27] <ogra_> (on phones/tablets it has always been the default though)
[15:29] <micahf> ogra_ is there a way to install desktop-next along side desktop-now
[15:29] <micahf> (it's probably not called "desktop-now", but you know what i mean)
[15:30] <ogra_> i dont think thats safe, no
[15:30] <ogra_> you could try desktop-next in live mode i think
[15:30] <ogra_> juts from usb stick
[15:30] <micahf> ogra_ yeah that sounds much safer.  it's especially unsafe because I only have one computer and am traveling at the moment
[15:37] <davmor2> ogra_ juts from a usb stick......man you must be the hide and seek champ.......that or it's the worlds biggest usb stick ;)
[15:38] <ogra_> every usb stick juts, no ?
[15:39] <davmor2> yeah but not every usb has an ogra_ jutting from it :)
[15:40] <ogra_> haha
[17:19] <racarr> Morning!
[17:23] <greyback_> racarr: greets! Mind checkout out my comment here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/port-to-event-2.0/+merge/248067
[17:24] <greyback_> suspect a merge went bad somewhere
[17:26] <racarr> greyback_: So this branch seems to revert thementioned branches?
[17:26] <racarr> Weird...thanks
[17:26] <racarr> will get on it after breakfast
[17:26] <greyback_> racarr: yeah, but it screws up the history, files appear deleted & recreated
[17:27] <greyback_> I wasn't able to fix that
[17:28] <racarr> greyback_: I think there isn't a way to fix it right
[17:28] <racarr> that is the "history"
[17:29] <racarr> anything else is a rebase...
[17:29] <racarr> well so I mean there are various ways
[17:29] <racarr> but not encouraged?
[17:32] <racarr> greyback_: e.g. the only thing I know todo ismerge the other branches and resolve --take-other
[17:32] <greyback_> worth a shot I guess
[17:32]  * greyback_ has to run for a bit
[17:33] <racarr> bye :)
[17:54] <racarr> Has anyone ever seen a valgrind invalid read in "readdir"
[17:55] <racarr> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-vivid-amd64-ci/963/console
[17:55] <racarr> (can search for readdir in the full log)


[00:12] <popey> ezhik`ocean: yes
[00:17] <ezhik`ocean> popey: stable?
[00:17] <ezhik`ocean> I am charging up my nexus 4 right now to install
[00:18] <ezhik`ocean> wondering if it is good enough for every day driver.
[00:30] <popey> depends what apps you use daily
[01:03] <ezhik`ocean> popey: phone, text and web for the most part.
[01:03] <ezhik`ocean> reading the news and checking corporate email mostly.
[02:44] <ezhik`ocean> having problems flashing the ubuntu-touch image on nexus 4
[02:45] <ezhik`ocean> Got an error while pushing to /cache/recovery/
[02:45] <ezhik`ocean> it is booted in recovery with ubuntu logo at this point.
[02:45] <ezhik`ocean> actually nevermind, it fixed itself.
[02:45] <ezhik`ocean> ignore me.
[02:46] <ezhik`ocean> skills issue.
[02:46] <ezhik`ocean> it was loose cable that was causing adb conn to drop
[03:54] <ezhik`ocean> wifi doesn't work
[03:55] <ezhik`ocean> does not detect any wifi on nexus4 :(
[03:56] <RAOF> ezhik`ocean: Installed over android 4.4?
[03:57] <ezhik`ocean> yes
[03:57] <ezhik`ocean> 4.4.2
[03:57] <ezhik`ocean> did I screw something up?
[03:57] <ezhik`ocean> I thought I followed the directions firmly
[03:58] <ezhik`ocean> RAOF: yes.
[03:58] <RAOF> ezhik`ocean: We're not yet compatible with the radio firmware found in 4.4; if you install over 4.3 (or earlier, I guess), it'll work.
[04:00] <ezhik`ocean> would be nice if it was a warning on the site.
[04:00] <ezhik`ocean> :(
[04:01] <ezhik`ocean> how come it is running 13.10
[04:01] <ezhik`ocean> and not 12.04 lts?
[04:07] <M4dH4TT3r> anyoe here experienced with cwm?
[04:12] <RAOF> ezhik`ocean: I think there is a warning somewhere; it might not be big enough, though.
[04:12] <M4dH4TT3r> Im running into a problem with a HTC desire CDMA not mounting /SDCARD/ from CWM recovery I'm wondering if theres a work around? Ive tried reflashing a newer CWM version from fastboot revolutionary with same result someone mentioned previously it doesnt have fstab could this be due to sdcard capacity as Ive tried with 4gb and 16gb cards
[04:12] <RAOF> ezhik`ocean: Why not 12.04? Because 12.04 had none of the infrastructure to support Ubuntu Touch!
[04:13] <ezhik`ocean> Ah gotcha!
[04:13] <ezhik`ocean> Thanks!
[04:15] <ezhik`ocean> is there a way to install ubuntu server isntead of ubuntu touch and turn your phone into a cheap server? ;)
[04:15] <ezhik`ocean> Just out of curiousity :)
[04:16] <ezhik`ocean> the answer will be no I am sure.
[04:17] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[04:17] <M4dH4TT3r> I am doing the same thinng at the moment
[04:17] <M4dH4TT3r> cheap server
[04:18] <M4dH4TT3r> just go touch and install servers from there
[04:20] <ezhik`ocean> nice M4dH4TT3r
[04:20] <ezhik`ocean> :)
[04:20] <ezhik`ocean> that's what I had in mind haha
[04:22] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah I have ubuntu touch ready to go on 2 sd cards but ran inot a recovery firmware problem
[04:22] <M4dH4TT3r> wont mount sd card
[04:23] <M4dH4TT3r> I wish ubuntu touch supported MIPS though I have 2 other devices it would be perfect for
[04:26] <Reynaldo_Jose> anyone know if there's a working whatsapp for ubuntu-touch or if they are working on it?
[05:27] <arunkumar413> Can i install ubuntu touch on a micro memory card and boot it
[05:29] <M4dH4TT3r> yes
[05:55] <GeonoTRON2000> is it a known bug in 13.10 that the cursor becomes invisible after a suspend?
[05:55] <GeonoTRON2000> (and doesn't come back)
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> GeonoTRON2000: i think you need #ubuntu channel
[05:57] <GeonoTRON2000> ok
[05:57] <M4dH4TT3r> #ubuntu channel is for tards
[05:58] <M4dH4TT3r> eveninng lotuspsychje how are you today?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> M4dH4TT3r: tards?
[05:58] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah
[05:59] <M4dH4TT3r> I'm banned for life
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> explain?
[05:59] <M4dH4TT3r> honestly was years ago I dont even remember
[05:59] <M4dH4TT3r> now one of the ops bans me on sight though
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> what did you do?
[06:00] <M4dH4TT3r> I honestly have no idea
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> didnt i see you there yesterday?
[06:00] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah right before I was rebanned
[06:00] <M4dH4TT3r> lulz
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> why do you say years ago then?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> well ops dont ban for no reason
[06:01] <M4dH4TT3r> because I was banned for something years ago (dont remember what) now they have it out for me banning me on sight
[06:01] <M4dH4TT3r> that one does
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> wich one
[06:02] <M4dH4TT3r> he was making crap up yesterday and taking things out of context
[06:02] <M4dH4TT3r> ikonia
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> you can always try #ubuntu-ops for an unban, but keep in mind what you did to provoke?
[06:03] <M4dH4TT3r> I pm'ed him "hello, you're still here you don't get vacation time?" cause had been like 3yrs since last time i was there and that was taken as an insult
[06:04] <M4dH4TT3r> no idea what i did to provoke, tried ubuntu ops guess who was there doing all the taking
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> you should not pm ops for such things lol
[06:05] <M4dH4TT3r> then he was saying I was insulting islam
[06:05] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> and did you?
[06:05] <M4dH4TT3r> no didnt say anything about islam
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> ok well lets keep this channel free for touch problems mate
[06:06] <M4dH4TT3r> then after ban I had some lil panzy op in android talking smack about it
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-ops is the chan you need for unban
[06:07] <M4dH4TT3r> no no such luck
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> and #ubuntu-offtopic for regular chats
[06:08] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah been banned from there before for being off topic which is why i say ##ubuntu is for tards
[06:10] <M4dH4TT3r> remembering back I was originally banned from #ubuntu for seeking help with an issue
[06:15] <M4dH4TT3r> so anyways back to ubuntu touch
[06:15] <M4dH4TT3r> lotuspsychje you there?
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> use #ubuntu-offtopic to chat
[06:16] <M4dH4TT3r> uhh wasnt going to chat
[06:16] <M4dH4TT3r> probably be banned too
[06:16] <M4dH4TT3r> test it
[06:17] <M4dH4TT3r> lmao banned before I entered
[06:17] <M4dH4TT3r> I think he sets ban on all channels hes in
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> keep this channel free for ubuntu touch issues mate
[06:18] <M4dH4TT3r> yeah I was highlighting you for such a issue
[06:18] <M4dH4TT3r> how much you know about CWM and fstab?
[06:19] <M4dH4TT3r> or is there another way to install UT besides sdcard?
[06:21] <M4dH4TT3r> lmao lotuspsychje keeping this channel free for ubuntu touch issues means no one speaks because UT is so knew there is no one to answer
[06:22] <M4dH4TT3r> lmao
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> its your attitude that gets you banned mate
[06:22] <M4dH4TT3r> how so?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> keeping the channel free for touch issues, and you keep chatting here
[06:23] <M4dH4TT3r> why so serious
[06:23] <M4dH4TT3r> no I asked a question regarding UT and no one knows
[06:25] <M4dH4TT3r> or they're all afk in which its not a channel for chatting but for idling systems
[06:52] <skinny> greetings
[06:53] <skinny> is anyone knowledgeable at all with ubuntu phone?
[06:55] <skinny> I just installed ubuntu phone...but have no sound...
[06:59] <M4dH4TT3r> ##xda-devs also has ppl when slow in here
[10:39] <rag3> in ubuntu dual boot it always gives me error "missing update command". Nexus 4 with android 4.4.2
[11:26] <M4dH4TT3r> hello any ubuntu-touch pros around?
[11:31] <ogra_`> M4dH4TT3r, most ubuntu touch devs are full time paid employees, during holidays canonical shuts down until new year ...
[11:32] <M4dH4TT3r> ahh
[12:33] <Tachyon`> Can somene please have a guess at what's happening here: http://kupo.be/pics/nobuntu.jpg
[12:33] <Tachyon`> nexus 7, 2012, 4.4.2, followed instructions exactly etc.
[12:47] <M4dH4TT3r> hello how much space on the SDHC is required to install ubuntu touch?
[12:48] <Tachyon`> none, it goes to internal flash afaik
[12:48] <Tachyon`> but 3-4GB
[12:52] <M4dH4TT3r> cant do it with 1?
[12:53] <M4dH4TT3r> wait what about internal flash?
[12:54] <M4dH4TT3r> Tachyon`?
[12:54] <Tachyon`> read the documentation, it has answers to your questions, has none to mine but heh
[12:55] <M4dH4TT3r> no my question is how much on the sdhc is required for install?
[12:56] <Tachyon`> internal flash, 3.4GB or so
[12:56] <Tachyon`> if you can direct it to external sd, the same
[12:56] <Tachyon`> althoguh that's not where it goes by default
[12:56] <M4dH4TT3r> ok but it has to get there somehow
[12:56] <Tachyon`> it goes to the internal flash
[12:57] <M4dH4TT3r> I was trying to install from sdhc
[12:57] <M4dH4TT3r> can I push too?
[12:57] <Tachyon`> oh, you're not using the dual booting one
[12:57] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[12:57] <Tachyon`> I have no idea then, I've only tried that one
[12:58] <M4dH4TT3r> I'd prefer to flash it using fastboot if thats posible though
[12:58] <Tachyon`> there's a link in the topic, perhaps that might help
[12:58] <Tachyon`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[12:58] <Tachyon`> ah yes, that does look like what you're trying to do
[12:59] <Tachyon`> one sec, lunch will be burning if I leaveit any logner
[13:00] <M4dH4TT3r> k
[13:03] <M4dH4TT3r> well I no longer have android on the sys just rev/cwm
[13:04] <M4dH4TT3r> this is what I was following http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2165711
[13:05] <M4dH4TT3r> but only SDHC card that will mount is 1gb
[13:05] <M4dH4TT3r> I have 3 others it wont
[13:06] <M4dH4TT3r> if I can flash over fastboot that is preferable but the files mentioned in theat thred I posted are seperate
[13:07] <Tachyon`> re
[13:07] <Tachyon`> okay, tha was a bit longer than a second
[13:08] <Tachyon`> perhaps it needs a real parititon table
[13:08] <Tachyon`> which windows neglects to add
[13:08] <Tachyon`> try using gparted or similar to setup one of your larger cads
[13:08] <M4dH4TT3r> no tried that too
[13:08] <Tachyon`> oh, hrm
[13:08] <Tachyon`> there's no such thing as a 1GB SDHC card btw, if it's 1GB it's SD
[13:09] <M4dH4TT3r> no IGB SDHC
[13:09] <Tachyon`> andything two or less is always SD, anything over 4 is always SDHC, 4s can go either way although are usually SDHC
[13:09] <Tachyon`> it is not
[13:09] <Tachyon`> there are zero 1GB SDHC cards
[13:09] <M4dH4TT3r> technically I suppose 4 but 3 not accessable
[13:09] <Tachyon`> ah
[13:09] <Tachyon`> you do need to mention these little details, lol
[13:10] <Tachyon`> is the card damaged?
[13:10] <M4dH4TT3r> lol
[13:10] <M4dH4TT3r> no
[13:10] <Tachyon`> why can not the other 3 be accessed
[13:10] <M4dH4TT3r> its made that way
[13:10] <M4dH4TT3r> for some music crap
[13:10] <Tachyon`> hrm
[13:10] <Tachyon`> I'd just buy anothe card, they're reallycheap that size now
[13:11] <M4dH4TT3r> when phone download music from muve music it goes to 3
[13:11] <Tachyon`> 4/8GB etc.
[13:11] <M4dH4TT3r> I have like 5 atm
[13:11] <M4dH4TT3r> generic and kingston
[13:11] <Tachyon`> oh right
[13:12] <Tachyon`> anything but kingston, lol
[13:12] <Tachyon`> I've had nothing but problems with those
[13:12] <Tachyon`> the casings that fall apart if you look hard at them and the terrible performance with small file sizes
[13:12] <M4dH4TT3r> ohh I have sandisc too
[13:12] <Tachyon`> ah, they're the better ones imho
[13:12] <M4dH4TT3r> wont mount either
[13:13] <Tachyon`> I use sandisk ultra for everything now but sandisk invented flash memory so it's fair to say they know what they're doing
[13:13] <Tachyon`> this has got to be the way you're parititoining/formatting them
[13:13] <Tachyon`> gparted, create ms-dos parttition table, create fat32 partition for whole card, format, you've tried doig this?
[13:15] <Tachyon`> if you don't have a linux box to hand with gparted you can download the system rescue cd and boot from it as that contains gparted
[13:15] <M4dH4TT3r> ubuntu requires ext4 right?
[13:15] <Tachyon`> well, it does for its own fs but probaly not for installing it
[13:15] <M4dH4TT3r> tried fat too
[13:19] <M4dH4TT3r> weird mbr/ext4 on sandisc is hanging cwm
[13:19] <M4dH4TT3r> ok fixed that
[13:20] <M4dH4TT3r> no cant mount mbr/ext4
[13:23] <M4dH4TT3r> wtf? trying to reformat to fat and keep getting device is busy error
[13:27] <M4dH4TT3r> nm stopped using util and installed gparted and format worked fine and let me sel3ectt fat blocks
[13:29] <M4dH4TT3r> sweet 4gb seems to be working on mbr/fat16
[13:31] <M4dH4TT3r> now just have to build UT on it (for 3rd time) and should be all good
[13:31] <M4dH4TT3r> hey you gonna be around later gonna have some intresting UT questions after
[13:54] <M4dH4TT3r> new problem
[13:55] <M4dH4TT3r> Installing update...
[13:56] <M4dH4TT3r> assert failed: getprop("ro.product.device") == " E:Error in /sdcard/Evervolv-UbuntuPhone-Turba-3.2.0p1-bravo.zip (Status 7)
[13:57] <M4dH4TT3r> Installation aborted.
[14:11] <M4dH4TT3r> anyone anyone?
[14:11] <popey> no idea
[14:11] <popey> what were you doing when that appeared?
[14:12] <M4dH4TT3r> trying to install ubuntu touch from zip
[14:12] <popey> how?
[14:12] <M4dH4TT3r> in cwm
[14:12] <popey> ah
[14:12] <popey> no idea, sorry
[14:12] <M4dH4TT3r> only thing I can figure is its the result of one of 2 things
[14:12] <popey> I'd be googling what status 7 means
[14:12] <M4dH4TT3r> 3*
[14:13] <M4dH4TT3r> I did but the error applies to a multitude of things
[14:16] <M4dH4TT3r> could be because A sudo tar --numeric-owner -axf manhattan-quantal-armhf-tar-20130221-1.tar.gz didnt take and instead returned a shitton of errors (I think because3 format is fat16 and not ext4)  or B because images are designed for HTC Desire not HTC Desire CDMA
[14:17] <M4dH4TT3r> thats my guess anyways
[14:24] <M4dH4TT3r> nm found it
[14:49] <M4dH4TT3r> sigh...
[14:50] <M4dH4TT3r> first problem is solved second problem I have an idea how to fix now but instructions arent very clear
[14:52] <M4dH4TT3r> SD card needs 2 partitions [fat][ext4(1GB+)]but no specification for how big either should be or what file goes to which...
[15:04] <M4dH4TT3r> just splitting it even... and miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep...
[15:19] <Prajith> can I install ubuntu on my galaxy tab2....?
[15:19] <Prajith> I just want to give a try...
[15:20] <Prajith> anyone tried this already..?
[15:29] <jozokos> how's going with xperia z and ubuntu touch
[16:48] <lapor> hey
[16:49] <lapor> i wanted to install dual boot on my nexus 4
[16:49] <lapor> and it stucks at the point waiting for sideload to boot
[16:49] <lapor> can someone help me?
[16:51] <lapor> on my phone it says Sideload started....
[16:52] <lapor> Now send the package you want to aplly to the device with "adb sideload <Filename>"...
[16:52] <lapor> I really don't know what to do...
[16:54] <lapor> anybody?
[16:58] <lapor> is anyone active today?
[16:58] <mbalmer> depends on what you mean by active...
[16:59] <lapor> hehe
[16:59] <lapor> nice
[16:59] <lapor> ok, can anyone help mw with my problem?
[17:15] <lapor> anybody else experienced any issues with installing dualboot ubuntu/android on nexus4 ?
[17:30] <Tachyon`> Can somene please have a guess at what's happening here: http://kupo.be/pics/nobuntu.jpg - Nexus 7 2012 - Android 4.4.2 - 16GB out of the 32 or so free. but this happens.
[17:58] <the-gibson> Has ubuntu touch been ported to the Nexus 5?
[17:58]  * Tachyon` hacks the-gibson
[17:59] <Tachyon`> I don't believe so, it's currently only stable on a couple of devices
[17:59] <Tachyon`> of which mine is not one
[17:59] <Tachyon`> galaxy nexus, nexus 4 (stable), nexus 7 2012 and nexus 10 (unstable)
[18:00] <johnjohn101> what's going to be available in april?
[18:00] <Tachyon`> additionally, wargames is a much more realistic hacking movie
[18:00] <the-gibson> Tachyon`: I couldn't find anything about it on the wiki
[18:00] <the-gibson> Tachyon`: agreed
[18:01] <Tachyon`> I've not managed to get it working on mine yet
[18:01] <Tachyon`> and help is noticably thin on the ground, lol
[18:02] <Tachyon`> get http://kupo.be/pics/nobuntu.jpg
[18:02] <Tachyon`> when trying to use the dual boot installer
[18:02] <the-gibson> hmm does the dualboot installer overwrite CWM?
[18:02] <Tachyon`> particularly notable, "Generating update command" half way down and "missing update command" at the end
[18:02] <Tachyon`> it does
[18:02] <the-gibson> damn
[18:02] <Tachyon`> it uses the recovery partition to boot the ubuntu kernel etc.
[18:02] <Tachyon`> so it can leave android untouched
[18:04] <Tachyon`> I want a real linux on my tablet dammit -.- it's really pocketable and I have a screen protector / keyboard for it
[18:04] <the-gibson> yea I understand, I've done that before when just booting plain ubuntu
[18:04] <Tachyon`> I used to have a debian on my note 2 but the repos are broken now
[18:05] <Tachyon`> and th ecommercial one is even more broken
[18:05] <Tachyon`> lol
[18:05] <the-gibson> heh yea I was working with the team that wanted to bring out the Spark/Vivaldi tablet
[18:06] <the-gibson> though i never managed to make anything run that I was satisfied with
[18:08] <Tachyon`> I'm not familiar with that tablet
[18:08] <Tachyon`> was it going to be a proper open source device
[18:08] <Tachyon`> like the pandora and pi aren't as the SoCs have evil restrictions
[18:08] <the-gibson> yea everything was supposed to be open source and then tablet manufactures made our lives difficult
[18:08] <Tachyon`> ahh -.-
[18:08] <the-gibson> since they didnt want to share kernel source
[18:08] <Tachyon`> they don't have a choice
[18:09] <the-gibson> even though they told us they would
[18:09] <the-gibson> Tachyon`: good luck forcing them to do so
[18:09] <Tachyon`> that's what the FSF are for
[18:09] <Tachyon`> but yeah, I know what you mean, I've experienced difficulties myself in tha tarea
[18:10] <mbalmer> chip manufacturors take open source software and give a rats ass about the license.
[18:10] <the-gibson> mbalmer: yea no kidding
[18:11] <rag3> in ubuntu dual boot it always gives me error "missing update command". Nexus 4 with android 4.4.2
[18:12] <mbalmer> they could at least use a BSD kernel, then it would be in order.
[18:12] <Tachyon`> rag, I'm having exactly the same issue with the nexus 7
[18:12] <Tachyon`> if you solve it, please come back and tell me how
[18:12] <Tachyon`> http://kupo.be/pics/nobuntu.jpg
[18:12] <Tachyon`> you're getting that sort of output?
[18:14] <Tachyon`> although interesting you're also on 4.4.2, I wonder if t's some sort of selinux issue
[18:25] <rag3> Tachyon`: yes .. exactly that
[18:25] <Tachyon`> ah, well, I'm fairly sure it's the android version then, it was suggested in here that I downgrade
[18:25] <Tachyon`> however I suspect I'd lose all my installed apps if I did that
[18:26] <Tachyon`> (could be wrongthough, never downgraded an android device)
[18:38] <rag3> anyone ?
[18:39] <Tachyon`> heh
[18:39] <Tachyon`> I've been here for two days and not got a useful answer, I don't think you'll get one that quickly -.
[20:14] <Mitchell92> Hi. Interested in putting ubuntu on my nexus 7. Laptop is a MacBook Pro... but I have interest in running ubuntu on my nexus 7
[20:28] <mhb> hi there. i've got a suggestion the dual boot installer
[20:29] <mhb> add kbps and downloaded (in mb) ... i've been downloading for an hour now. don't know if the file's too big or download's slow
[20:42] <j-b> Hello
[20:42] <j-b> is tvoss around?
[20:44] <daker> j-b: welcome!
[20:44] <daker> j-b: i think of the devs are on holidays
[20:47] <j-b> daker: yeah, but he told me on HN that he would be around :)
[20:48] <j-b> I'll just wait around
[20:50] <daker> sure
[20:50] <j-b> I hope he will prove me wrong :)
[20:54] <daker> j-b: i would really recommend to send an email to the ML(while it's hot :))
[20:57] <j-b> daker: yeah, I'll just wait
[21:29]  * tvoss says hello
[21:30] <j-b> tvoss: hello. I was looking for you :)
[21:30] <j-b> tvoss: I'm jbk on HN
[21:30] <tvoss> j-b, hey there :) read your answer a minute ago :)
[21:31] <tvoss> j-b, it's quite late here (in Germany). Would you mind if we postpone until tomorrow?
[21:31] <j-b> Sure, I'll be around tomorrow too. I'm in the same TZ
[21:31] <tvoss> j-b, awesome, just ping me when you are online. Oh, and I would love to see vlc running on ubuntu touch :)
[21:32] <j-b> tvoss: well, we'd love too, but we never had our answers :)
[21:33] <tvoss> j-b, yup, understood :) happy to answer your questions and get the port off the ground
[23:39] <blackjack_> Getting this error trying to build for Evita http://pastebin.com/y6rH1s7y