[00:00] <lucasvo> akk: if you're willing to supply more info, why not? I'm sure you wouldn't get away with only trying out one version/install-mode
[00:01] <akk> lucasvo: What other install modes would be needed? I can only use the alternate installer, the live CDs never work on this machine.
[00:01] <lucasvo> akk: oh
[00:01] <co0lingFir4> if i want to update my system i get the "partial update" notification. but that doesnt work. does anyone know why?
[00:01] <lucasvo> akk: cltr+alt+f8 still works?
[00:01] <lucasvo> akk: you could try to recover the logs
[00:02] <lucasvo> alex_mayorga: do you know why this bug has low priority and is only affecting gdm?
[00:02] <akk> lucasvo: Um, what does ctl-alt-f8 do? I tried ctl-alt-f2 to get to another terminal, but it was too hung for that or for ctl-alt-del
[00:02] <akk> lucasvo: It was configuring kernel modules when it went into its loop
[00:03] <alex_mayorga> lucasvo: honestly I don't know
[00:03] <lucasvo> akk: it's another terminal with syslog
[00:03] <linkinxp> hey guys
[00:03] <alex_mayorga> I guess my broken video is more critical :)
[00:03] <akk> lucasvo: okay, probably wouldn't have worked (spin loops like this never give me any keyboard control)
[00:03] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: is 150dpi sane?
[00:03] <icanhasadmin> alex_mayorga: what's wrong with your video?
[00:03] <lucasvo> I used an online PPI Calculator for this number
[00:03] <lucasvo> but firefox still displays fonts way to big (I did not restart X, only firefox)
[00:04] <linkinxp> i uninstall something and now when im trying to run the updater it says that Not all updates can be installed select Partial Updating
[00:04] <linkinxp> why?
[00:05] <alex_mayorga> icanhasadmin, I only see a rainbow of colors flashing :(
[00:06] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: You need to set it seperately for each output
[00:06] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: The thing is xorg is updated to the new system but gnome etc is still not right yet
[00:06] <icanhasadmin> alex_mayorga: what type of video card?
[00:06] <alex_mayorga> icanhasdmin I'm doing a dist-upgrade right now in the command line and see if it fixes me up bug 146706
[00:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "[Hardy alpha 6] Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[00:07] <akk> I wish there were a way to get just a tarball of a base ubuntu install
[00:07] <akk> it would avoid so many installer problems
[00:07] <tclineks> could someon look at my apt.log, i'm trying to upgrade to hardy but cant' make much sense about this error, apparently with openoffice http://dpaste.com/42855/
[00:07] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: it only has one virtual display: http://dpaste.com/42856/
[00:07] <h3sp4wn> akk: You can install from grml
[00:07] <JohnPhys> akk: you can always use the alternate install
[00:07] <akk> JohnPhys: This is the alternate install -- it hangs.
[00:08] <akk> h3sp4wn: What's grml?
[00:08] <JohnPhys> akk:  well then......my suggestion doesn't help at all now does it? :)
[00:08] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: I plugged out my second monitor
[00:08] <Arand> What was the deal about Human-Murrine? Why was it stripped?
[00:08] <Killeroid> tclineks: i get the same error, i  asked a few hours ago and  no could help me
[00:08] <h3sp4wn> akk: Its a live cd
[00:08] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: I think this fixed it
[00:08] <JohnPhys> Arand:  I haven't heard yet.
[00:08] <h3sp4wn> akk: They have a wrapper around debootstrap that can install Debian or Ubuntu
[00:09] <h3sp4wn> lucasvo: That output implies 2 screens - one at 1024x768 and one at 1280x800
[00:09] <akk> h3sp4wn: What I really need is a way to install without using a CD at all -- just something I can dd/tar onto the partition
[00:09] <tclineks> Killeroid: can you ping me if you solve it, i'll do the same
[00:09] <lucasvo> h3sp4wn: but it says screen0 but it does not mention screen1
[00:09] <akk> h3sp4wn: Installers and live CDs always try to get creative and end up not working on lots of machines
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> akk, do you have win there? in that case wubi should do
[00:10] <coz_> safe to update?
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> akk: http://www.grml.org/
[00:10] <Killeroid> tclineks: ok, will do so
[00:10] <akk> alex_mayorga: No windows. I have feisty, gutsy and sarge in other partitions on the machine, though.
[00:10] <Arand> I've heard there was some problems with that theme, but _what_ problems? I'd like to know... I quite liked it.
[00:10] <h3sp4wn> akk: Or you can just use debootstrap
[00:11]  * akk googles for debootstrap
[00:11] <spiderfire> how come there is a nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-legacy?
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> spiderfire: Hardware support
[00:12] <alex_mayorga> icanhasadmin, any troubleshoot procedure for when my dist-upgrade finish?
[00:12] <icanhasadmin> alex_mayorga: i'd need to see your xorg.conf
[00:12] <spiderfire> i thought glx-new would include nvidia-glx
[00:12] <h3sp4wn> akk: get the deb for the hardy debootstrap and install it with dpkg -i onto one of the other distros
[00:13] <JohnPhys> I believe nvidia-glx contains a *slightly* older driver to support Geforce 4 cards, legacy is for cards before that, and glx-new does not have support for GF4's
[00:13] <HorizonXP> calc ?
[00:13] <spiderfire> JohnPhys: thanks :)
[00:13] <corinth> Why was glipper taken out of the default repos in hardy?
[00:13] <tclineks> any hints on Reinst Failed because of openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb
[00:13] <akk> h3sp4wn: And then I could use debootstrap somehow to install hardy to a specific partition? That would be perfect
[00:13] <calc> HorizonXP: huh?
[00:13] <JohnPhys> spiderfire:  that may be wrong though, just open up synaptic and check the descriptions of each of the packages
[00:13] <tclineks> causing my hardy upgrade to fail
[00:13] <h3sp4wn> akk: Something like - debootstrap hardy /mnt gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:14] <phreck> Any Bison Cam support yet?
[00:14] <calc> tclineks: yea wait
[00:14] <akk> h3sp4wn: Thank you! That may be exactly what I've been wishing for
[00:14] <tclineks> calc: in the works?
[00:14] <calc> tclineks: or ask HorizonXP how he fixed it ;)
[00:14] <calc> tclineks: yea next day or so it will be fixed
[00:14] <tclineks> HorizonXP: ^
[00:14] <spiderfire> JohnPhys: yes
[00:14] <tclineks> HorizonXP: is it simple?
[00:14] <HorizonXP> calc: I'm trying to install additional dictionaries using OpenOffice's stupid little wizard thing. I can't use it, the window's not big enough to see everything, and you can't resize it
[00:14] <HorizonXP> tclineks: what repo are you using? main?
[00:14] <calc> HorizonXP: turn off compiz
[00:14] <tclineks> HorizonXP: i think
[00:14] <h3sp4wn> akk: You have to deal with installing a kernel and grub and etc etc - the grml wrapper does that for you (slightly easier but nevermind)
[00:14]  * calc needs to get back to work or it won't get fixed ;)
[00:15] <spiderfire> is the new kernel image suppsoed to not load the nividia module. im having problems therre
[00:15] <h3sp4wn> There is no restricted modules yet afaik
[00:15] <HorizonXP> calc: he has to remove those language-support packages, and then update right?
[00:15] <calc> HorizonXP: the language-support packs the language specific parts of OOo and then update, yea
[00:15] <linkinxp> hey guys how i play with the Boot List at the begining when i start the PC
[00:15] <linkinxp> ?
[00:15] <h3sp4wn> press escape
[00:15] <akk> h3sp4wn: That's fine -- I already have a kernel that works (.23.17) and grub, so really all I want is a way of getting a / partition set up with hardy beta
[00:15] <calc> HorizonXP: assuming his mirror isn't out of date like yours was ;)
[00:16] <linkinxp> cause i ran a apt-get distro-update and now i have to vs of Ubuntu in the boot list
[00:16] <tclineks> HorizonXP: hey actually i already started doing that and it works now
[00:16] <HorizonXP> yeah, so tclineks, in synaptic, do a search for openoffice.org, remove all packages with language support, and then openoffice.org-l10n-*, and then update
[00:16] <HorizonXP> ok cool
[00:16] <HorizonXP> calc's working on fixing it
[00:17] <tclineks> i removed openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb which removed the other package as well
[00:17] <tclineks> Killeroid: ^
[00:18] <Killeroid> tclineks: yeah but language-support-en contains the english language files for a lot of other apps
[00:18] <alex_mayorga> is FF3 beta 5 now in hardy?
[00:18] <akk> h3sp4wn: Just to be sure: I can't aptitude install debootstrap on gutsy, but have to install the .deb for hardy's version onto my gutsy system?
[00:18] <HorizonXP> Killeroid: reinstall them afterwards
[00:18] <HorizonXP> it's a temporary fix
[00:18] <shadowhywind> hay all upgraded to hardy over the weekend and now myy scanner doesn't work any ideas?
[00:18] <h3sp4wn> akk: dpkg -L debootstrap
[00:19] <h3sp4wn> (after its installed for gutsy)
[00:19] <spiderfire> alex_mayorga: not yet
[00:19] <Killeroid> HorizonXP: kk, thanks
[00:20] <h3sp4wn> akk: The package has to contain - /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/hardy (or you can hack one yourself) Its only written in shell anyway
[00:20] <HorizonXP> np
[00:20] <HorizonXP> hopefully it goes better for you than me!
[00:21] <akk> h3sp4wn: Ah, I see! Right, it doesn't have a hardy script yet.
[00:21] <calc> i found out backlogged rosetta export is so i am just going to upload it without rosetta translations
[00:21] <calc> apparently its backlogged days currently
[00:21] <calc> but they are working on fixing the problem
[00:21] <h3sp4wn> akk: The one in hardy does - you can either install that or extract /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/hardy from it and add
[00:21] <corinth> How do I upgrade Firefox beta 4 to beta 5 in Hardy?
[00:22] <calc> so it should be installable within ~ 10hr or so after i do the upload
[00:22] <jaffarkelshac> i would like to mount a hardrive over my netowrk, is that possible. currenly i have multifply shared folders.
[00:22] <h3sp4wn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/debootstrap/download
[00:22] <UnNaturalHigh> jaffarkelshac, sshfs
[00:22] <jaffarkelshac> UnNaturalHigh, does not help me much, what sshfs
[00:23] <akk> h3sp4wn: Got it. Thanks, this is awesome
[00:23] <Geekthras> Hi there
[00:23] <UnNaturalHigh> jaffarkelshac, google is your friend
[00:23] <tgelter> jaffarkelshac: nfs is a good option, samba too
[00:23] <Geekthras> I just installed 8.04 last night, but now all I get is a black screen with the cursor after login
[00:23] <calc> jaffarkelshac: if you want it just in gnome then just open a file browser window then type (ctrl-l) ssh://username@hostname/
[00:23] <HorizonXP> so someone's putting updates to the kernel in the hardy repos; except it looks like they're not going to work
[00:23] <jaffarkelshac> tgelter, i used samba to share the files, but when i try to share the deveice folder in /media i get an error
[00:23] <SliMM> hi
[00:24] <SliMM> when will hardy be released?
[00:24] <calc> SliMM: in about 3 weeks
[00:24] <HorizonXP> !release
[00:24] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[00:24] <jaffarkelshac> 21 days SliMM
[00:24] <HorizonXP> !hardy > SliMM
[00:24] <JohnPhys> SliMM:  www.ubuntu.com answers that question
[00:24] <SliMM> that's exactly 3 weeks and that's what i thought, but i read yesterday or so that it will be delayed for 3 months
[00:25] <HorizonXP> April Fools
[00:25] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: sshfs can have issues with file corruption (or did for me)
[00:25] <SliMM> oh, you got me with that one :))
[00:25] <HorizonXP> lol
[00:25] <Geekthras> anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[00:25] <HorizonXP> April Fools
[00:25] <wrath> their changing everyones background one was worse >.>
[00:25] <HorizonXP> the practical joke that keeps giving and giving
[00:25] <icanhasadmin> yep very true that
[00:25] <UnNaturalHigh> h3sp4wn, never seen that happen
[00:25] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: nfs or samba are more permanent solutions
[00:26] <UnNaturalHigh> samba is garbage unless you need to share with windows boxes
[00:26] <Wrath> I did the updates yesterday and ended up with a unicorn background :s
[00:26] <jaffarkelshac> h3sp4wn, i am googling right now
[00:26] <h3sp4wn> UnNaturalHigh: files over 4GB check the md5's
[00:26] <calc> if you use nfs use nfs v4
[00:26] <Prefix> Wrath, that was only for kubuntu right?
[00:26] <calc> not v3
[00:26]  * HorizonXP slaps calc
[00:26] <Wrath> yea i think so
[00:26]  * calc notes v4 is probably default by now
[00:26] <HorizonXP> get back to work!
[00:26] <calc> oh yea, back to work
[00:27] <jaffarkelshac> i read today, you can login in to ubuntu via sh or telnet, does anyone know  this
[00:27] <Killeroid> jaffarkelshac: but ofcourse
[00:27] <Killeroid> lol
[00:27] <Killeroid> yes, i am pretty sure everyone here knows you can do that
[00:27] <JohnPhys> *wonders how many people are uploading the beta torrent*
[00:27] <SliMM> i can hardly wait for hardy
[00:28] <icanhasadmin> SliMM: hardy is amazing, really it's like nothing i've ever seen before
[00:28] <jaffarkelshac> Killeroid, you seem to know what i am talking about, just read about it. do you know how this is done.
[00:28] <SliMM> i hope it'll work better than gutsy
[00:28] <SliMM> i can't even turn off my computer normally in gutsy
[00:28] <Wrath> hopefully they get the bugs fixed in the next 3 weeks
[00:28] <h3sp4wn> UnNaturalHigh: sshfs is a hack more so than samba even
[00:28] <Killeroid> jaffarkelshac: yes, i do know what you are talking about. and its not a big deal or a new procedure just discovered as you are making it to be
[00:29] <dwidmann> h3sp4wn: a very convenient hack.
[00:29] <SliMM> where can i look over a feature list?
[00:29] <calc> jaffarkelshac: to log in via telnet you must install the telnetd
[00:29] <Killeroid> ahh, going to tak too long to odwnload all upgrade packages, going to do the upgrade via cd
[00:29] <calc> jaffarkelshac: its not considered secure you are probably better off installing openssh-server instead
[00:29] <RAOF> jaffarkelshac: But you really, really don't want to do that, because it's a hideous security risk.
[00:29] <h3sp4wn> dwidmann: Until it corrupts files - luckily I checked then rsync fixed it
[00:29] <Pedantic-Steve> SliMM: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
[00:30] <jaffarkelshac> its probably not a big deal but i am discovery new things since i switched and want to know for knowledge sake nothing more
[00:30] <RAOF> jaffarkelshac: You actually want what calc said - openssh-server.
[00:30] <calc> jaffarkelshac: telnet isn't encrypted which is why its not considered good
[00:30] <Wrath> ssh has more features anyway
[00:30] <RAOF> username/password in plain text over the internet is not cool.
[00:31] <phreck> its not?
[00:31] <Prefix> With ssh client on windows, and i connect to my Ubuntu box, and start a gnome session, it wont work would it?
[00:31]  * phreck blinks
[00:31] <phreck> heh.
[00:31] <jaffarkelshac> i am leaning a few things with this switch
[00:31] <h3sp4wn> You can use opie with telnet
[00:31] <phreck> they have programs that let you do that
[00:32] <Exilant> Prefix: no clue if x-forwarding to windows works
[00:32] <Exilant> but i assume it doesn't
[00:32] <Killeroid> Exilant: it does work
[00:32] <Exilant> oh, interesting
[00:32] <Killeroid> Exilant: putty supports x-forwarding
[00:32] <Prefix> Killeroid, does it? wow that is awesome.
[00:32] <Prefix> going to install putty on my college pc then
[00:33] <Prefix> ^_^
[00:33] <h3sp4wn> You need an xserver still though
[00:33] <Prefix> and log into my home box
[00:33] <Prefix> does putty not come with one for windows?
[00:33] <h3sp4wn> Prefix: You would probably get better performance with - NX
[00:33] <Killeroid> h3sp4wn: http://www.math.umn.edu/systems_guide/putty_xwin32.html
[00:33] <Prefix> !NX
[00:33] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[00:33] <Killeroid> Prefix: http://www.math.umn.edu/systems_guide/putty_xwin32.html
[00:33] <calc> Prefix: x forwarding works if you have an x server on windows
[00:33] <h3sp4wn> Killeroid: xwin32 is another app
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> Prefix: www.nomachine.com
[00:34] <Killeroid> mhm
[00:34] <h3sp4wn> Prefix: Free for personal use - commercial version
[00:34] <calc> note that x forwarding is SLOW in any case so xvnc or NX would be a better idea anyway
[00:34] <RAOF> Although X forwarding is dog slow if you've got a less than infinite bandwidth connection.
[00:34] <phreck> nx works well
[00:34] <Prefix> I can still use VNC from a xp to Ubuntu machine right?
[00:34] <RAOF> Yes.
[00:35] <RAOF> And, for those playing at home, you tcan
[00:35] <RAOF> can tunnel that through SSH.
[00:35] <phreck> mhmm
[00:35] <Prefix> whats the disadvantage of VNC over one of these other programs?
[00:35] <Killeroid> ahh, i just nearly had a heart attack, update manager was telling me it would take 35 days, 7 hours and 38 minutes to download all packages for the upgrae to hardy
[00:35] <phreck> ease of use
[00:35] <calc> in process of uploading openoffice.org-l10n_2.4.0-3ubuntu1_source.changes
[00:35] <Paddy_EIRE> RAOF: it keeps asking me for a mystery password that I am yet to fiqure out :S
[00:35] <icanhasadmin> Killeroid: that's actually possible depending on your connection. it might take an hour or two tho :P
[00:36] <JohnPhys> Killeroid:  That might be accurate when the servers get hammered on release day :P
[00:36] <Prefix> lol killeroid, at some times during the update my dl rate was 100 B/s
[00:36] <RAOF> Paddy_EIRE: There are often 2 - one for your SSH connection (unless you're using a shared-key), one for the actual VNC connection (which you set up when you start the server).
[00:36] <Paddy_EIRE> I always get a lightning connection to the repos :)
[00:36] <levmatta> today ubuntu is almost fixed, YEAH!!!
[00:37] <Killeroid> whew!!!! my connection just picked up and odwnloading packages at 250kb/s
[00:37] <Killeroid> one hour
[00:37] <shadowhywind> anyone else having problems with there scanner in hardy?
[00:37] <Prefix> Paddy_EIRE, your from Ireland right? Do you use the main servers or the irish ones?
[00:37] <Antireligion> where are the totem plugins for firefox 3 in 8.04 located?
[00:37] <JohnPhys> They should probably publicize the torrent a bit more on the official site, so that people downloading an iso can actually get a cd image quickly
[00:37] <icanhasadmin> Killeroid: it takes MUCH longer to install then it does download. i've seen upwards of 3 hours.
[00:37] <Paddy_EIRE> Prefix: oh always the irish servers
[00:37] <Paddy_EIRE> lightning
[00:37] <Prefix> hmm might switch back to the irish ones then
[00:37] <Prefix> I live in teh black north :<
[00:38] <Paddy_EIRE> yeah I'm living in the north too :)
[00:38] <icanhasadmin> By the way, i'm not sure if anyone has tried it, Hardy both installs, boots, and runs, flawlessly off an 8gb sandisk flash drive.
[00:38] <Prefix> lol
[00:38] <Killeroid> icanhasadmin: yeah, i remeber from upgrading from dapper to fiesty, i took me less than an hour to download the packages and four hours to upgrade
[00:38] <tired> can someone help me with an 8.04 update error??
[00:38] <phreck> error?
[00:38] <calc> tired: only if its not the OOo one ;-)
[00:38] <Killeroid> tired: what error do you get?
[00:38] <Paddy_EIRE> !anyone | tired
[00:38] <ubotu> tired: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[00:39] <calc> the answer to how to fix OOo is... wait about 10 hours
[00:39] <tired> syas not all updates can be installed
[00:39] <calc> openoffice.org-l10n_2.4.0-3ubuntu1.diff.gz                                                                                14%   14MB  51.7KB/s   25:42 ETA
[00:39] <tired> do partial upgrade
[00:39] <tired> then fails
[00:39] <derspankster> join the crowd
[00:39] <calc> tired: its probably failing to install OOo and maybe bzrtools
[00:39] <calc> bzrtools seems broken on my box
[00:39] <JohnPhys> tired:  yeah, just wait on that, they will probably upload the rest of those packages later.
[00:39] <tired> ok
[00:39] <Prefix> I got that error and disabled all the repos, updated, re enabled, updated and it fixed it for me
[00:40] <tired> wasn't sure if it was something to do w/ me trying to get dvd's to play
[00:40] <calc> JohnPhys: they is me and i just posted the current status of the upload ;-)
[00:40] <calc> tired: if its more than OOo broken then we might be able to help with that, but OOo is just really wait ~ 10hr unless you want to remove translations for it
[00:41] <tired> how do i tell what's broken?
[00:41] <h3sp4wn> dpkg -C
[00:41] <calc> tired: if you try apt-get dist-upgrade it will probably tell you
[00:41]  * calc has never used update-manager so doesn't know what its output looks like
[00:41] <JohnPhys> calc:  thanks, I wasn't sure if that was an upload or a download :)
[00:41] <calc> JohnPhys: ok :)
[00:42] <calc> it looks like part of the new kernel is still being held back also
[00:42] <tired> it's getting the stuff.. i'll tell you in a moment : )
[00:42]  * calc needs faster upload since OOo is so huge
[00:42] <h3sp4wn> No restricted modules
[00:42] <icanhasadmin> hm, hardy is telling me something about a partial upgrade... and trying to fix something..
[00:42] <calc> 100MB diff.gz argh
[00:42] <JohnPhys> the OOo wouldn't be affecting kernel updates, would it?  I also have linux-generic, linux-headers-generic, linux-image-generic, and linux-restricted-modules-generic that wont' install
[00:43] <calc> JohnPhys: no shouldn't be caused by OOo for that
[00:43] <calc> JohnPhys: all of the kernel (on i386) installed for me but one bit, which is probably due to what h3sp4wn mentioned
[00:43] <akk> Wow, debootstrap is fast -- it's done already (including my 5 minutes of fiddling with getting the right mount options on the partition)
[00:43] <Exilant> johnPhys: linux-restricted-modules is missing
[00:44]  * calc uses debootstrap all the time to do builds :)
[00:44] <JohnPhys> Exilant:  thanks for the info.  Do you know if there is an eta on that package?
[00:44] <Exilant> or linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic more precisely
[00:44] <Exilant> i don't know
[00:44] <calc> much better than downloading a lot of dev tools on main install then having to determine what to remove later
[00:44] <calc>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bzrtools_1.3.0-2ubuntu1_all.deb
[00:44] <Exilant> i'm waiting for it :)
[00:44] <fredrin> Ater upgrade to Hardy, emerald wont start by it self, must use 'emerald --replace' to make it start
[00:44] <calc> ^ that is still broken for me, but everything else is fine for me (i manually fixed OOo of course)
[00:45] <icanhasadmin> fredrin: on gnome, alt+f2 and gconf-editor
[00:45] <h3sp4wn> Its easy enough to clean up for aptitude users anyway
[00:45] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: k, thanks
[00:47] <tired> calc: it seems to work w/ terminal .. go figure
[00:47] <tired> going to restart
[00:47] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone use the seahorse pgp software,i asked a question here earlier but nothing.
[00:47] <tired> before i go though ... is there a way to get dvd's to play.. been reading through guides and gotten packages but nothing seems to work
[00:48] <tired> i'd really like to not have to reboot into vista
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> tired: Run the script
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> in libdvdread3
[00:48] <DanaG> !libdvdcss
[00:48] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[00:48] <calc> tired: see ^
[00:48] <HorizonXP> hey, is firefox 3 beta 5 available yet?
[00:48] <HorizonXP> or should I just install the binary?
[00:48] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: What to edit in gconf to make emerald start?
[00:48] <h3sp4wn> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[00:49]  * calc wants something as simple as libdvdcss for bluray disks
[00:49] <jaffarkelshac> so does anyone use seahorse
[00:49] <calc> aiui it is still rip and decode then use special playback with lots of manual hacks, to make it work
[00:49] <ReL1K> contemplating whether to update or not...anyone experiencing any major issues upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04
[00:50] <h3sp4wn> ReL1K: I wouldn't do it right now
[00:50] <calc> ReL1K: upgrading today might not be the best idea
[00:50] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: can't find anything about emerald with conf
[00:50] <ReL1K> haha
[00:50] <calc> ReL1K: wait until tomorrow (12hr+)
[00:50] <ReL1K> alright, thanks for the insight :)
[00:50] <icanhasadmin> fredrin: 1 sec, i believe it's desktop -> gnome -> apllications -> window_manager
[00:50] <JohnPhys> Rel1K:  as a rule, if you're not ready for major breakage, don't upgrade during the prerelease period
[00:50] <calc> ReL1K: i broke OOo today :)
[00:50] <icanhasadmin> calc: wait, what happened today?
[00:50] <JohnPhys> calc : lol you should be less proud of that
[00:50] <calc> icanhasadmin: new OOo went in but OOo-l10n hasn't yet
[00:50] <conformer> the update today totally messed up my X server or something. did that happen to anyone else?
[00:51] <ReL1K> JohnPhys: yea, i understand that, i ran 7.10 in tribe 2 last time, lots of broken deps and such but easy to fix
[00:51] <icanhasadmin> calc: and how is this your fault?
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: it will be in about 15m but then has to build which takes 8hr+
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: i am the OOo maintainer
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: http://launchpad.net/~ccheney/
[00:51] <conformer> i have to run everything in low graphics mode
[00:51] <icanhasadmin> calc: that's very interesting. what exactly is OOo? :D
[00:51] <thiemster> The run menu has stopped coming up when I press alt-f2. How can I get it back?
[00:51] <jaffarkelshac> i am having problem updating, it saids something about parital install and even that cant be installed
[00:51] <fredrin> icanhasadmin: it looks like it, current and default is '/usr/bin/compiz/' other got no value,
[00:51] <calc> icanhasadmin: OpenOffice.org
[00:52] <calc> icanhasadmin: so its abbreviated to OOo
[00:52] <icanhasadmin> calc: oh, i like you.
[00:52] <fredrin> number_of_workspaces and workspace_names got no value, but i guess is ok
[00:52] <tanner> finally, they're releasing a CCNP command guide =D
[00:53] <jaffarkelshac> where is the command guide
[00:53] <conformer> did anyone elses X stop working after the update today?
[00:53] <jaffarkelshac> there has been a lot of updates today
[00:53] <tanner> jaffarkelshac: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1587201879/ref=pe_5050_8574910_pe_snp_879
[00:53] <calc> tired: check system->pref->keyboard shortcuts to see if it is mapped correctly
[00:53] <calc> er nm that was meant for someone who left so it completed wrong
[00:54] <jaffarkelshac> i tried to update recently but it wont install, only partial install is there and even that wont install.
[00:55] <conformer> maybe its for a reason
[00:55] <conformer> i did the partial upgrade and now my X server is messed up
[00:55] <conformer> i hope they fix that by tomorrow
[00:56] <jaffarkelshac> well, good mine is not working then
[00:56] <gluer> conformer: damn, i'll restart x and see, just ran the partial updates
[00:56] <calc> don't run hardy if you don't know how to use: dpkg, apt-get, (a package manager), and various other cli tools  :-)
[00:56] <calc> s/hardy/ubuntu+1/ whatever that happens to be at the time
[00:57] <calc> btw if any particular deb is screwed up you can always download old ones off of launchpad by hand if you know what is broken
[00:59] <calc> 5m too late to get installed in this hours round
[00:59] <calc> :-\
[00:59] <akreao> Is anyone else getting update problems?
[00:59] <JohnPhys> akreao:  everyone with OOo and a kernel installed, yes :)
[00:59] <jaffarkelshac> yeah, in the way that it wone update
[00:59] <akreao> Oh.
[01:00] <Killeroid> akreao: what probelms do you have?
[01:00] <Killeroid> *problems
[01:00] <HorizonXP> someone tell me when Firefox Beta 5 is in the repos :)
[01:00] <jaffarkelshac> wont*
[01:00] <akreao> Hold on, I'll bring it up again.
[01:00] <gluer> mines OK
[01:00] <akreao> First it asks to do a Partial Upgrade.
[01:00] <akreao> So I try that.
[01:00] <conformer> what just me?
[01:00] <conformer> that sucks
[01:01] <gluer> conf: I'' see if there are any more updates
[01:01] <akreao> "Cannot calculate the upgrade"
[01:01] <jaffarkelshac> akreao, i have the same problem as you are
[01:01] <akreao> Arg.
[01:01] <gluer> me too
[01:01] <ion_storm> um, is restricted modules broken? in the latest updates
[01:01] <volkodav_> check the disk space
[01:01] <volkodav_> df -h
[01:01] <Exilant> ion_storm: yes
[01:01] <conformer> i've had graphics problems in the past, but then i just had to wait for a new nvidia-glx-new
[01:02] <gluer> conf: im also getting cannot calculate the upgrade
[01:02] <volkodav_> try another driver
[01:02] <ion_storm> Exilant, any idea when this will be fixed
[01:02] <gluer> Could not calculate the upgrade
[01:02] <gluer> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[01:02] <gluer>  This can be caused by:
[01:02] <gluer>  * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[01:02] <gluer>  * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu
[01:02] <gluer>  * Unofficial software packages not provided by Ubuntu
[01:02] <akreao> I'm only using 21% of my HDD.
[01:02] <gluer> This is most likely a transient problem, please try again later.
[01:02] <ion_storm> why do they release updates that break systems
[01:02] <icanhasadmin> Question. WHY THE HECK does Hardy install and configure bluetooth when bluetooth isn't including on 95% of computers.
[01:02] <calc> ion_storm: for OOo ~ 10-12h
[01:02] <Exilant> or probably, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic just isn't uploaded/approved yet
[01:02] <icanhasadmin> Calc: you broke the whole word. the update manager is freaking out.
[01:03] <calc> ion_storm: its a development version, its not meant to be run by people who can't deal with problems :)
[01:03] <Exilant> icanhasadmin: you can buy a dongle for almost nothing
[01:03] <calc> icanhasadmin: heh
[01:03] <Dr_willis> !ohmy
[01:03] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[01:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:03] <akreao> At least I have Gambas to play with until that's fixed.
[01:03] <conformer> mine would let me update, but it told me to do like sudo apt-get install -f or something like that
[01:03] <jaffarkelshac> the bluetooth thing is annoying but i actually have it on my pc
[01:03] <volkodav_> partial upgrade is a one way ticket in most cases hehe
[01:03] <conformer> then the partial upgrade worked
[01:03] <Dr_willis> I really wonder where the term 'dongle' comes from..
[01:03] <akreao> I can't do anything but a Patrial Upgrade...
[01:03] <conformer> but it kinda messed up some stuff
[01:03] <volkodav_> who the heck figured that option? lolz
[01:04] <shadowhywind> Is anyone around that can help me fix my printer issues ? worked in gutsy doesn't work in hardy
[01:04] <calc> Dr_willis: cause they hang out the side of laptops pcmcia slots? ;-)
[01:04] <volkodav_> localhost:631
[01:04] <jaffarkelshac> well my update is installing, chances are my system is about to crash
[01:04] <volkodav_> you got that right
[01:04] <tired> ummm... i have a big problem now.. restarted after the update and ubuntu is no longer seeing my gfx card
[01:04] <shadowhywind> volkodav_: well the odd part is that it says that my printer is ready and acceptting jobs
[01:04] <calc> Etymology: perhaps alteration of dangle
[01:04] <calc> Date: 1981
[01:05] <calc> so its older than pcmcia by a fair amount
[01:05] <volkodav_> check the job section
[01:05] <jaffarkelshac> ok now i dont feel like restarting
[01:05] <Stwange> how's hardy looking? Is it still quite buggy, or is it nearing completion?
[01:05] <tired> running in low gfx mode .. and went into restricted drivers and it's not seeing anything
[01:05] <volkodav_> see if any unfinished
[01:05] <conformer> same here tired
[01:05] <tired> :O
[01:05] <Prefix> oh wow, im 42p off a Ubuntu keyring :<
[01:05] <tired> did u just do the update?
[01:05]  * calc is pretty sure it was named that way as a reference to a certain male appendage
[01:05] <conformer> yeah
[01:05] <tired> lovely
[01:05] <Exilant> tired: there is a problem with the new kernel and restricted-modules
[01:05] <conformer> indeeed
[01:05] <jaffarkelshac> i did
[01:06] <ion_storm> why do they always release the kernel before restricted modules
[01:06] <akreao> So no one should upgrade yet?
[01:06] <tired> i <3 ubuntu but it definately just doens't love me back
[01:06] <Exilant> use the old kernel until linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic is available
[01:06] <calc> akreao: not unless you want to sort it out manually
[01:06] <akreao> Alright.
[01:06] <conformer> mine shows it, but its grayed out
[01:06] <akreao> Not really.
[01:06] <Exilant> akreao: well, if you don't need it?
[01:06] <conformer> in the update manager
[01:06] <shadowhywind> volkodav_: i canceled all jobs, and send a new page. and nothing
[01:06] <jaffarkelshac> could not calulate upgrade is all i get
[01:07] <calc> dput -u openoffice.org-l10n_2.4.0-3ubuntu1_source.changes <- done!
[01:07] <ion_storm> ppl are going to say, windows update doesnt break my video, why does ubuntu
[01:07] <volkodav_> Ш рфв ыфьу ерштп ещвфн щт щту ща ьн щаашсу ищчут
[01:07] <ion_storm> lol
[01:07] <calc> so now just wait 10-12h for it to actually build
[01:07] <tired> *nods
[01:07] <tired> i'm going to reboot into vista until tomorrow i guess
[01:07] <tired> :"(
[01:07] <DanaG> eek, Greek?  Or cyrillic?
[01:07] <volkodav_> I had the same problem printing on my office boxen today
[01:07] <ion_storm> just use the older kernel
[01:07] <akreao> The kernal being better than windows also means that it's more complicated.
[01:07] <akreao> Meaning stuff can happen.
[01:07] <akreao> Stuff you don't like.
[01:07] <volkodav_> cyrillic
[01:08] <volkodav_> missed the layout
[01:08] <jaffarkelshac> well i am going to restart, if i dont come back coz its crashed, good  night
[01:08] <tired> how do i boot into the old kernel? .. is it in grub .. or do i need to do somethig in terminal?
[01:08] <DanaG> Yeah, but they could delay the release of new kernels -- or at least, delay the update of the metapackage.
[01:08] <akreao> And I guess we can't say too much because this version isn't even really released yet.
[01:08] <akreao> Yeah.
[01:08]  * calc is never bothered by all these upgrade issues, probably since he doesn't use update-manager :)
[01:09]  * tired just glowers at calc
[01:09] <tired> :P
[01:09] <conformer> the final is released on the 24th right?
[01:09] <calc> i think i've opened it maybe three or four times in the past 4 years
[01:09] <calc> conformer: yea
[01:09] <tired> calc: ... how do i reboot into pref. kernel?
[01:09] <akreao> I'm getting Heron for my birthday. ^^
[01:09] <volkodav_> I am looking at the list of updates and it is pretty heavy to do partial with a new kernel is a killer
[01:10] <tired> *prev
[01:10] <conformer> sweet. so hopefully they wont be any more bugs by then. or at least very significantly reduced
[01:10] <calc> tired: did you uninstall it? if not just select the old one in grub
[01:10] <akreao> It should be done by my birthday.
[01:10] <tired> oh .. ok .. i walked away when i rebooted
[01:10] <tired> tks : )
[01:10] <akreao> 18th birthday + Heron = <3
[01:10] <conformer> well, im getting sick of this low graphics mode. i think ill just check back tomorrow
[01:10] <calc> i have two kernels installed on my machine currently the old one and today's (i guess)
[01:10] <calc> i manually remove the old ones after a while
[01:11] <calc> if you never remove the old kernels there may be a lot of them in your grub screen
[01:11] <Exilant> what's with those partial updates? is that a gnome-packagemanager thing?
[01:11] <calc> btw ooo-l10n took 445m53.173s to build on my relatively fast machine
[01:12] <akreao> Partial Update = not work right now.
[01:12] <calc> so it will probably take longer than that on the buildd
[01:12] <Exilant> puh, that's long
[01:12] <akreao> Noob Question - Wth are you talking about? >.<
[01:12] <Exilant> so let's be lucky we're not running gentoo :)
[01:12] <akreao> I'm fairly new to Linux.
[01:13] <volkodav_> путещщ шы ф зукаусе вшыекщ ещ дуфкт еру кщзуы
[01:13] <calc> akreao: upgrades are broken part due to openoffice.org-l10n package not being built and distributed yet
[01:13] <calc> akreao: it will probably take ~ 10 hours or so before its in the archive
[01:13] <volkodav_> gentoo is a perfect distro to learn the ropes
[01:13] <akreao> I can easily wait 10 hours.
[01:13] <calc> akreao: it took my faster than build server computer 7.5hr to build it
[01:13] <akreao> Yike.
[01:13] <calc> volkodav_: i like LFS for that better ;-)
[01:13] <volkodav_> heh - that is too much
[01:13] <calc> akreao: so the build server probably will take 10hr or so to build it
[01:13] <akreao> I'll stick with Ubuntu, I like it way more than Windows so far.
[01:14] <calc> it creates ~ 264MB of debs as a result of the build using LZMA compression
[01:14] <Exilant> volkodav_: nothing against gentoo, has some nice points. but all that compiling...
[01:14] <akreao> Though now I get to learn programming in this OS.
[01:14] <volkodav_> true
[01:14] <akreao> Anyone have any tips for a Windows programmer comming into Ubuntu?
[01:14] <calc> so the openoffice.org-l10n builds a really big amount of data
[01:14] <volkodav_> I was running ~x86
[01:14] <calc> akreao: look for development doc packages and make sure to install them to find info about libraries, etc
[01:15] <volkodav_> for couple of years -
[01:15] <calc> akreao: also learn about automake, autoconf, libtool
[01:15] <Exilant> akreao: well, what are you planning to do?
[01:15] <akreao> I'll go search though the package manager.
[01:15] <akreao> I'm using Gambas right now.
[01:15] <calc> akreao: if you are going to be writing c/c++ code anyway
[01:15] <akreao> Exilant: I'm coding an RPG.
[01:15] <calc> if you are using java, learn ant build system, etc
[01:15] <akreao> calc: Is there a CPP thingie for this OS?
[01:15] <Exilant> graphical?
[01:16] <akreao> Exilant: Yes.
[01:16] <calc> akreao: g++ compiler, yea
[01:16] <Exilant> of course
[01:16] <akreao> I'll search for that too.
[01:16] <calc> akreao: for c++ automake, autoconf, libtool will be helpful to learn
[01:16] <akreao> Gambas doesn't get me very far.
[01:16] <akreao> calc: Okay, thanks.
[01:16] <Luckrider_> Does anyone know how I can find out what Bluetooth hardware I have?
[01:16] <co0lingFir4> if i enter "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal, it wants to remove firefox and other apps. is that normal?
[01:16] <calc> akreao: thats stuff used for building the code though not writing it directly
[01:16] <Exilant> akreao: well, you can use an engine, or use sdl or direct opengl
[01:16] <calc> akreao: for writing code eclipse is supposed to be nice
[01:17] <Luckrider_> co0lingFir4, yes
[01:17] <akreao> calc: Oh, nice, I've used eclipse before.
[01:17] <Luckrider_> it is installing the newest version
[01:17] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider_: oh thx for the info!
[01:17] <Luckrider_> np
[01:17] <akreao> So automake and all that are compiler/linkers?
[01:17] <JohnPhys> co0lingFir4:  what are you running?
[01:17] <Luckrider> It is the FF beta that hardy uses
[01:17] <calc> Accepted: openoffice.org-l10n 1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1 (source) <- yipee
[01:17] <co0lingFir4> JohnPhys: ubuntu hardy beta
[01:18] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider_: so is it also normal that the update via GUI does not work?
[01:18] <calc> akreao: it lets you not worry so much about the different syntax for linkers on different platforms
[01:18] <Luckrider> I am not sure about that
[01:18] <Luckrider> I did Hardy off a disk
[01:18] <Luckrider> bu
[01:18] <Luckrider> *but
[01:18] <Exilant> akreao: you might want to look for example at http://eisenstern.com/
[01:18] <calc> akreao: automake lets you write makefiles in a less complicated manner, autoconf for configure script, libtool does linking, etc (iirc)
[01:18] <Luckrider> when I did Fiesty, it reinstalled FF
[01:18] <Luckrider> and other prgrams
[01:18] <Exilant> they are building an rpg
[01:19] <akreao> Seems that they've got all the angles covered.
[01:19] <Luckrider> so... does anyone know how I can find out my bluetooth hardware?
[01:19] <calc> akreao: most open source programs use automake/autoconf/libtool for building since it makes it a lot easier to deal with
[01:19] <akreao> Exilant: The shadows are good in that engine.
[01:20] <akreao> I should check if they're lightmap for dynamic.
[01:20] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: lspci? lsusb?
[01:20] <Luckrider> ok
[01:20] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:20] <co0lingFir4> no
[01:20] <co0lingFir4> prob
[01:21] <Exilant> akreao: i only know the game it's based on, newest package has no rpg in it afaik
[01:21] <calc> oh yea the new version of openoffice.org-l10n should allow you to remove openoffice.org (not the lang packs) without having to remove language-support-* as well
[01:21] <Luckrider> you know what, instead I am gonna go to the thinkpad wiki, they have ll of the basic specs there (I have an IBM thinkpad T42p)
[01:21] <akreao> Exilant: Do you know if it's build on a public available engine?
[01:21] <Exilant> it is
[01:22] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: so the update should install firefox 3 beta 5?
[01:22] <akreao> Now I just have to get my hands on that engine. :P
[01:22] <Luckrider> either beta 4 or 5
[01:22] <mheath> Is it a known bug that during the install, ntfsresize does not report its progress to the partitioner progress dialog?
[01:22] <akreao> I suck for coding an entire engine.
[01:23] <Exilant> yeah, that's a lot of work
[01:23] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: beta 4 is preinstalled with hardy beta
[01:23] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:23] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: but it didnt install the new beta 5 for me...
[01:23] <Luckrider> oh
[01:23] <Luckrider> ok
[01:23] <Luckrider> so  yeah
[01:23] <Luckrider> it should be 5
[01:23] <Exilant> and there are several 3d-engines, crystalspace, ogre3d, irrlicht, quake1(?)/2/3
[01:24] <akreao> I'm looking for an engine that looks good and can be used on Linux.
[01:24] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: any idea why it didnt install it?
[01:24] <Exilant> available under gpl or other free licenses
[01:24] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[01:24] <akk> Anyone know why installing xserver-xorg-video-savage wants to pull in 40 other packages including things like python-glade2 and displayconf-gtk?
[01:24] <akreao> Yup.
[01:24] <Luckrider> I haven't had to install version 5 yet
[01:25] <Luckrider> I still have version 4
[01:25] <Exilant> akreao: well, afaik nothing looks as beautiful as recent windows games
[01:25] <akk> Is it really impossible to install an X server without also installing gtk? (I do want gtk eventually, but it seems like this shouldn't need it)
[01:25] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: but u are using hardy beta?
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> akk: turn off treating recommends as dependancies
[01:25] <Luckrider> yes
[01:26] <akreao> exilant: Well, I don't need to try that hard. I just don't want it to look like Half-Life 1
[01:26] <co0lingFir4> is firefox 3 beta 5 already in the repo?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of odd.. reccomendations in some packages ive seen
[01:26] <Luckrider> I havn't been promted to update again
[01:26] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[01:26] <Luckrider> you might want to ask a developer
[01:26] <Exilant> but you can install sauerbraten (it's own engine) or nexuiz (afaik some quake engine), play a bit and see how it looks
[01:26] <Luckrider> they know morw
[01:26] <Luckrider> *morw
[01:26] <Luckrider> *more
[01:26] <Luckrider> man
[01:26] <co0lingFir4> what if u do the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in terminal?
[01:26] <Luckrider> very bad spelling
[01:26] <co0lingFir4> @Luckrider
[01:26] <Luckrider> I am not sure
[01:26] <Luckrider> I don't upgrade that way
[01:26] <akk> h3sp4wn: Thanks, will do
[01:27] <Luckrider> let me check
[01:27] <akreao> exilant: I'm getting and trying sauerbraten.
[01:27] <Luckrider> It says that I am fully updated
[01:27] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: hmmm strange...
[01:27] <Luckrider> yeah
[01:28] <co0lingFir4> maybe just a bug in my sys...
[01:28] <Luckrider> where are you located
[01:28] <Exilant> really, no restrictes-modules held back?
[01:28] <Luckrider> location could be the difference
[01:28] <co0lingFir4> u mean lang?
[01:28] <Luckrider> possibly update lag for region
[01:28] <morphir> is kubuntu hardy (w/ kde4) using pulseaudio?
[01:28] <gregory> will pulseaudio be default in all incarnations of hardy heron?
[01:29] <Luckrider> I am in the states, it is possible that we aare slow to get the latest update
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> Exilant: One day we should get ut3
[01:29] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: ^^ that wouldnt be fair...
[01:29] <Luckrider> I know
[01:29] <gluer> what the heck is sauerbraten?? its making me hungry lol
[01:29] <Luckrider> but it makes sense
[01:29] <Luckrider> i am connecting to a local server for updates
[01:29] <morphir> gluer, a game (fps)
[01:29] <gluer> mor: found it, installing now
[01:29] <Luckrider> it is possible that that server hasn't gotten those updates
[01:29] <derspankster> FF3 B5 is available from Mozilla
[01:30] <Exilant> gluer: a 3d-fps
[01:30] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: but the strange thing is, it said it would remove firefox but actually it didnt...
[01:30] <gluer> derspan: how to install FF3 B5?
[01:30] <Luckrider> oh
[01:30] <Exilant> no real clue why they choose the odd name
[01:30] <Luckrider> that is realistic
[01:30] <co0lingFir4> derspankster: yep, but not in the repos yet or am i wrong?
[01:30] <derspankster> not in repos
[01:31] <co0lingFir4> how can i start an app always maximized?
[01:31] <Luckrider> I don;t know
[01:32] <co0lingFir4> because it's quite annoying to always click on the maximize icon in firefox etc
[01:32] <calc> ooo l10n started building 7min ago
[01:32] <Luckrider> oh
[01:32] <Geekthras> I'm having some difficulty with hardy recently
[01:32] <Geekthras> when I log on, it shows a black screen with just the cursor
[01:32] <Geekthras> any suggestions?
[01:32] <calc> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-l10n/1:2.4.0-3ubuntu1/+build/553481 <- shortly after this is done building it should be ok to upgrade
[01:33] <Luckrider> does anyone know hw to find out what cdc devices I have
[01:33] <Pici> cdc?
[01:33] <co0lingFir4> whats cdc?
[01:33] <co0lingFir4> u mean cd?
[01:33] <Luckrider> that is what thinkwiki says my bluetooth is
[01:33] <Luckrider> no, not cd
[01:33] <Luckrider> hold on
[01:33] <Luckrider> http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42p
[01:33] <Luckrider> look at the hardware
[01:34] <Luckrider> #  CDC slot with one of the following:
[01:34] <Luckrider>     * IBM Integrated 56K Modem (MDC-2)
[01:34] <Luckrider>     * IBM Integrated Bluetooth III with 56K Modem (BMDC-2)
[01:34] <Pici> Luckrider: I imagine it should be listed in lspci
[01:34] <Luckrider> I tied that
[01:34] <Luckrider> and it is all
[01:35] <Luckrider> wireless, and soundcards, and stuff of that nature
[01:35] <calc> Luckrider: doesn't show up under lsusb either?
[01:35] <co0lingFir4> Luckrider: did u try searching for "ibm" or related?
[01:35] <Luckrider> nope
[01:35] <Luckrider> there is no devices in usb
[01:36] <Luckrider> how do I do that
[01:36] <timboy> ltsp sucks without compiz
[01:36] <Luckrider> I am a device noob with linux
[01:36] <Pici> Luckrider: try: sudo lshw | less
[01:36] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:37] <Luckrider> nope
[01:37] <Luckrider> it say the computer
[01:37] <Luckrider> nothing else
[01:37] <Luckrider> sudo lshw | less
[01:37] <Luckrider> oops
[01:37] <Luckrider> wrong thing
[01:37] <Luckrider> description: Notebook
[01:37] <Luckrider>     product: 2373C61
[01:37] <Luckrider>     vendor: IBM
[01:37] <Luckrider>     version: ThinkPad T42p
[01:37] <Luckrider>     serial: 99G2NFF
[01:37] <Luckrider>     width: 32 bits
[01:37] <Luckrider>     capabilities: smbios-2.33 dmi-2.33
[01:37] <Luckrider>     configuration: administrator_password=disabled boot=normal chassis=notebook frontpanel_password=unknown keyboard_password=disabled power-on_password=disabled uuid=56731081-4723-11CB-B750-EB40E0AB59D3
[01:37] <Luckrider>   *-core
[01:37] <Luckrider>        description: Motherboard
[01:37] <Luckrider>        product: 2373C61
[01:37] <Luckrider>        vendor: IBM
[01:37] <Luckrider>        physical id: 0
[01:37] <Luckrider>        version: Not Available
[01:37] <Luckrider>        serial: J1YPH53N15P
[01:37] <Luckrider>      *-firmware
[01:37] <Luckrider>           description: BIOS
[01:37] <Luckrider>           vendor: IBM
[01:38] <Luckrider>           physical id: 0
[01:38] <calc> er you should have used pastebin for that
[01:38] <Luckrider>           version: 1RETDPWW (3.21 ) (06/02/2006)
[01:38] <Luckrider> that is the list it gives
[01:38] <Luckrider> oh
[01:38] <Luckrider> sorry
[01:38] <Luckrider> how do I do that
[01:38] <Luckrider> ?
[01:38] <calc> !pastebin
[01:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[01:38] <Luckrider> thanks
[01:41] <Eroick> hey, today a new update was available for hardy, I installed it and now it wants me to do a partial upgrade. the upgrade fails every time though. anyone else having this problem?
[01:41] <JohnPhys> anytime someone logs in it should just show that pastebin link to that person
[01:41] <Exilant> Eroick: there are problems with OOo-i10n and the new restricted modules
[01:42] <Luckrider> ok
[01:42] <Luckrider> thanks to the thinkwiki page
[01:42] <Luckrider> I found out that my bluetooth was not enabled
[01:42] <Eroick> Exilant: ok, i also notice just now that something has happened to the ubuntu artwork. all the progress bars are blue instead of brown and everything is just uglier in general.
[01:43] <Exilant> i'm on kubuntu, don't know
[01:44] <derspankster> Eroick:mine looks just fine
[01:44] <derspankster> human theme
[01:46] <Dr_willis> on Kubuntu here also... :)
[01:46] <Dr_willis> and xubuntu
[01:50] <Eroick> ok, so the update will work some time in the future?
[01:51] <Exilant> yes, ~10h for openoffice, restricted modules unknown
[01:51] <Exilant> good night everyone
[01:52] <Eroick> Exilant: thanks!
[01:57] <eghjaytee> Hello can someone please point me to a page that will help me figure out how to fix dependencies?
[01:57] <cge> For some reason, I seem to be having a problem with gtk themes not applying after the latest updates - is anyone else having this problem?
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> eghjaytee: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html
[02:00] <eghjaytee> thank you h3sp4wn
[02:06] <mheath> ARe there any known bugs with the parititioner in the Beta install? It just took 2 hours to resize a parition.
[02:07] <mheath> On a system with modern SATA disks, fast processor...The partition was an NTFS one I had just defragmented.
[02:08] <mheath> *partition, that is
[02:12] <Silvano> are there any huge differences between hardy server and 7.10?
[02:13] <eghjaytee> I am getting an error when I use apt to install linux-xen it is:   linux-xen: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-xen (= <IP_ADDRESS>.16) but it is not going to be installed
[02:13] <eghjaytee> but that package does not exist
[02:13] <gregory> will pulseaudio be the default in kubuntu hardy?
[02:15] <billisnice> today was a bad day for me and 8.04, the updates seemed to me as down dates
[02:16] <TheAsp> any chance I can get the previous kernel packages than what is in the repository?
[02:37] <Gilou> ah.
[02:37] <Gilou> hi so
[02:37] <desertpenquin> anyone going through update manager wanting to do partial updates and failing?
[02:38] <Gilou> since I've upgraded to Hardy Heron on my laptop, I have huge error messages coming from the kernel whenever HAL starts
[02:38] <Gilou> messages look like that one:
[02:38] <Gilou> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61973/
[02:38] <Jordan_U> desertpenquin, I am
[02:38] <desertpenquin> ok so this is a known issue well I guess I am glad it is not just me
[02:39] <Gilou> desertpenquin> I had to do it 2 or 3 times to get my install upgraded, but it was because of a bad internet connection ;)
[02:39] <derspankster> Gilou: it's open office that's causing the problem. should be ok tomorrow
[02:39] <Gilou> ah
[02:39] <Gilou> derspankster> the HAL prob?
[02:39] <Gilou> how can OpenOffice have an impact on the way HAL behaves?
[02:39] <eghjaytee> why are there packages missing? I have stuff depending on linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-xen but linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-xen has no installation candidate
[02:40] <Gilou> (I'm just curious here... it might be a dependency I wouldn't know of, but well, sounds weird :))
[02:41] <desertpenquin> thanks for your input I sure appreciate it
[02:51] <Gilou> hm some packages are being updated
[02:51] <Gilou> I'll wait a few days I guess then I'll give it a try
[02:52] <Gilou> but those kernel bugs make me nervous
[02:54] <derspankster> Gilou:it's a beta, be patient
[02:55] <DanaG> Argh, I keep getting random hard lockups.
[02:55] <spiderfire> im compiling my own kernel
[02:55] <DanaG> This time, it happened when I left my laptop with the lid closed for a while, while under Compiz.
[02:55] <spiderfire> but i got way too many modules
[02:56] <akk> Is there any documentation on /etc/apt/apt.conf.d? I'm trying to figure out where to turn off Install-Recommends
[02:56] <Luckrider> DanaG, weren't you here the other day complaining of the same problem?
[02:56] <akk> and I see a section in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu but I don't understand the syntax
[02:57] <DanaG> yup.
[02:57] <Luckrider> that sucks
[02:57] <Luckrider> try configureing the power setting
[02:57] <Luckrider> Mine would lock up if I left it closed with fiesty, I changed the power save setting, and that fixed that
[02:57] <Luckrider> other than that though
[02:58] <Luckrider> I have no more advice for lock ups
[02:58] <DanaG> I have it set to "Do Nothing" on lid close.
[02:58] <Luckrider> oh
[02:58] <Luckrider> Have you tried checking the bios power settigns, DanaG?
[02:58] <Luckrider> that was my second problem
[02:58] <spiderfire> what does hot plug mean?
[02:59] <Luckrider>  DanaG?
[03:00] <Luckrider> sorry that I can't help you more, Got to go to bed.
[03:00] <ReL1K> so im hearing its a bad day to update from gutsy? hehe
[03:01] <derspankster> I updated yesterday, had some issues
[03:01] <ReL1K> anything major?
[03:01] <derspankster> No, the usual, wireless
[03:02] <ReL1K> what type of comp do you have?
[03:02] <derspankster> my test machine is an acer laptop, haven't upgraded my desktop yet
[03:03] <derspankster> Will likely just wait for final on the desktop
[03:03] <Gilou> derspankster> my acer has a hard time :)
[03:03] <Gilou> and I will have it the same way
[03:03] <ReL1K> hmmm i think i might wait as well
[03:03] <Gilou> my desktop has to be always available for work so..
[03:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I only started having the lockup problem recently.
[03:03] <ReL1K> this is my main comp, but i have everything backed up and i dont mind rebuilding
[03:04] <derspankster> My main complaint with the acer is the lousy SIS video
[03:04] <earl_> hey guys. did that package update that broke stuff last night get fixed?
[03:06] <earl_> pretty sure it was an update to the default ubuntu theme
[03:06] <Gilou> earl_> there is another dep problem with OO.org it seems now ;)
[03:06] <earl_> say what
[03:07] <derspankster> Open Office
[03:07] <earl_> right i know but what is the problem
[03:07] <ReL1K> to upgrade or to not upgrade
[03:07] <ReL1K> hmmmmm
[03:08] <mheath> earl_: _which_ package update that broke stuff, is the question, I think. :P
[03:08] <jimmygoon> Why was autoremove going to remove my icedtea package and gtk2-eninges-murrine which are both ... needed?
[03:08] <derspankster> I miss my FF extensions
[03:08] <zcat[1]> I miss the other half of openoffice.org... It's all gone since this morning's upgrade :(
[03:08] <ReL1K> derp, i take it 3.0 plugins dont work with 2./
[03:08] <IdleOne> jimmygoon: autoremove only removes the .debs not the installed package
[03:09] <jimmygoon> I'm not saying you're wrong but,
[03:09] <jimmygoon> "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:".... seems misleading then
[03:09] <derspankster> Eel1K:yes, I'm aware of that
[03:09] <IdleOne> jimmygoon: hmmm
[03:10] <IdleOne> jimmygoon: probably being replaced by other package?
[03:10] <Wrath> i thought autoremove removed packages, clean removed debs
[03:10] <dwidmann> hmm, is it me or is the build-essential metapackage missing right now
[03:10] <IdleOne> Wrath: you know what you are right I am thinking of autoclean
[03:10] <jimmygoon> I dunna, but a kernel update with no restricted modules.... sucks....
[03:10]  * dwidmann apt-get updates just to be sure
[03:10] <mheath> jimmygoon: indeed.
[03:11] <ReL1K> derspankster: was more of a question than a statement :P
[03:11] <mheath> jimmygoon: Made my first taste of hardy quite nasty, when, after all the trouble I had, I updated to broken graphics
[03:11] <mheath> Not a happy day for me. Install was rough, updates was rough, the results of the updates were rough. :(
[03:11] <Wrath> hardy isnt really ready for using as a main os
[03:11] <Wrath> at least i dont think so
[03:11] <jimmygoon> heh, I'm also looking forward to rebuilding my vmware kernel extensions :/
[03:12] <ReL1K> so im getting it that i shouldn't update to hardy from gutsy eh? hehe
[03:12] <jimmygoon> nah, its fine ReL1K .. this is an expected and usual occurence with kernel updates (Esp with unstable releases)
[03:12] <mheath> I had a nightmarish process with the repartitioner during the install
[03:12] <akk> h3sp4wn: You suggested a while ago that I turn off treating recommends as dependancies ... I'm hitting a complete blank in google figuring out how to do that in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[03:12] <derspankster> ReL1K: no offense taken. Very few FF3 extensions currently available
[03:12] <mheath> Took 2 hours to resize a NTFS partition by a little bit
[03:13] <IdleOne> well I just did an update and no issues with the packages that were able to be downloaded and installed
[03:13] <jimmygoon> (brb, must reboot into old kernel)
[03:13] <mheath> And then all of the install status bar windows became tiny so you couldn't see progress or details.
[03:13] <IdleOne> OO.org is broke or something and linux-kernel-generic
[03:13]  * kumarphilly is away: Umm Ping if urgent and ill see when i come back
[03:13] <DanaG> Wow, the older non-"pasty-faced" GDM theme does look way better, in my opinion.
[03:14]  * kumarphilly is back (gone 00:00:02)
[03:14] <h3sp4wn> akk: I use aptitude so I don't know
[03:14] <DanaG> The new one makes me think it'd get a sunburn too easily, or something.
[03:14] <akk> h3sp4wn: I also use aptitude -- does it not use that directory?
[03:14] <akk> h3sp4wn: There's a file 05aptitude there, so I was assuming those files applied to aptitude as well.
[03:14] <Gilou> on the 2.6.20-15-386 kernel my Hardy seems more reliable :p
[03:14]  * kumarphilly is away: Umm Ping if urgent and ill see when i come back
[03:14]  * kumarphilly is back (gone 00:00:02)
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> !away | kumarphilly
[03:15] <ubotu> kumarphilly: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also «/msg ubotu Guidelines»
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> akk: You can set it in the user interface in aptitude
[03:15] <akk> h3sp4wn: Oh, okay, I just use it non-interactively. Does it remember, if you set it in the UI?
[03:15] <kumarphilly> nosrednaekim, dude im getting used to this new irc client chill out
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> akk: Yep
[03:17] <bazhang> kumarphilly: you can create your own group #kumarphilly and practice there thanks
[03:18] <IdleOne> bazhang: only if he parts the #ubuntu's will we not see it
[03:18] <kumarphilly> yes
[03:19] <zcat[1]> anyone know where I can find a 64-bit build of non-ubuntufied openoffice
[03:19] <bazhang> IdleOne: well that would be the point, right? practicing and getting advice seem to be exclusive ;]
[03:19] <kumarphilly> I wouldhave to leave the channel in order for it to "not bother you"
[03:19] <IdleOne> being as the rules state using away scripts are annoying and not allowed . I believe bazhang and nosrednaekim had the right to ask you to stop
[03:19] <bazhang> kumarphilly: if any ops happen along you might wish you had stopped
[03:19] <macogw> is anyone else unable to login after today's updates?
[03:20] <ptn107> zcat[1]: http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-US  ?
[03:20] <IdleOne> macogw: I rather not try and find out ;/
[03:20] <macogw> gdmgreeter won't finish loading...its seems to be in an infinite loop
[03:20] <zcat[1]> macogw: ummm.. are you saying I should log out..? I just updated!
[03:20] <macogw> ok its not necessarily *today's* updates since i hadnt updated for about a week prior to this...
[03:20] <zcat[1]> *shouldn't
[03:20] <zcat[1]> ptn107: they seem to be only i386
[03:20] <macogw> nobody else had the issue when i asked earlier
[03:21] <macogw> but im getting a spinning ninja star of doom on gdm
[03:21] <ptn107> zcat[1]: yeah i see that, im searchin..
[03:21] <macogw> (its not colorful like apple's beachball, so it can't be a spinning beachball)
[03:21] <bazhang> no updates for me the last two days..odd; except for 7 that are held back
[03:21] <kumarphilly> nah im not denying bazhang or nosrednaekim rules are rules....BUT I am getting used to a new irc client and you have to understand my position
[03:21] <Jordan_U> macogw, Seems to be in an infinite loop as in it's not doing anything or as in it is visibly doing the same thing over and over?
[03:22] <derspankster> macogw:I have not had that issue
[03:22] <macogw> Jordan_U: as it it's spinning the cursor endlessly
[03:22] <Gilou> hmm kernel 2.6.24-14 seems on its way
[03:22] <zcat[1]> kumarphilly: If your break channel rules, your position will be out in the hallway..
[03:22]  * Gilou prays
[03:22] <mheath> kumarphilly: Perhaps it would have been best, then, to have responded to him by saying "Sorry! It was an accident...I'm getting used to a new IRC client."
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> indeed.... kindness pays :)
[03:23] <mheath> kumarphilly: Either way, it seems like now would be a good time to just drop it and get on with it. Bickering will just make each other angrier.
[03:23] <bazhang> ;]
[03:23] <kumarphilly> zcat[1], but dude its totaly not my fault I didnt know that it does that when you go away until I got a ping on every channel
[03:23] <kumarphilly> yes mheath
[03:23] <kumarphilly> I fixed it anyway
[03:23] <macogw> 9 minutes it's been spinning there...
[03:23] <macogw> i forgot to stop gdm before getting on irc
[03:23] <zcat[1]> I wonder how much effort is involved in building OOo from source..
[03:23] <kumarphilly> hmm something is strange
[03:23] <macogw> gdmgreeter is using 102% of cpu according to top though
[03:24] <RAOF> zcat[1]: A large, large amount of RAM & CPU time.
[03:24] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: what client you using anyway?
[03:24] <ptn107> zcat[1]: can't you just get the source from ubuntu's repos; do they provide the original source there ?
[03:24] <mheath> zcat[1]: Quite a bit, last time I attempted to do it. Granted, that was back in Open office 1.x days.
[03:24] <mheath> zcat[1]: It was a nasty, complicated process at the time.
[03:25] <zcat[1]> I suspect it's worse, not better .. OOo is a lot bigger now
[03:25] <mheath> (Not the mention the considerable CPU time it required, as others have pointed out)
[03:25] <DanaG> What's with the new, washed-out GDM theme?
[03:25] <kumarphilly> IdleOne, xchat
[03:25] <Gilou> hm seems  like there's a new conflict between linux-386 and linux-image-386 :p
[03:25] <Jordan_U> mheath, It takes a LOOONG time to compile Open Office :)
[03:25] <kumarphilly> I somehow enabled "announce away messages"
[03:26] <kumarphilly> but the people at #xchat helped me
[03:26] <ptn107> zcat[1]: from what i read you have to compile it from the same source as the x86 version using a x86_64 build option during compile
[03:26] <macogw> mheath: even Gentoo has OOo binaries due to compile times
[03:26] <mheath> Jordan_U: Yes, I know :) You're talking to someone who used to compile Star Office on a 400Mhz system. :)
[03:26] <DanaG> I liked the old one so much better.
[03:26] <Gilou> macogw> WHAT!??!!!
[03:26] <Gilou> pussies.
[03:26] <Gilou> :)
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> well, you can get the sources too :)
[03:27] <Gilou> aaah.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> but yeah.. its takes like 12 hours on a 1.5ghz celeron
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:27] <Wrath> and let it compile overnight lol
[03:27] <IdleOne> !ohmy | Gilou
[03:27] <ubotu> Gilou: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:27] <Gilou> so long for still using a celeron!!
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> pussies? lol
[03:27] <kumarphilly> wth you doing with a 1.5 celeron
[03:27] <IdleOne> nosrednaekim: please
[03:28] <mheath> nosrednaekim: the message given to Gilou applies to you too. Thats generally considered an offensive word to many people.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> errr really?oh, sorry
[03:28] <kumarphilly> you guys needa check out someting like #joomla
[03:28] <macogw> mheath: not to Tom on Tom & Jerry!
[03:28]  * nosrednaekim thought it meant kittens
[03:28] <IdleOne> it's simple if you would not use the word in front of a kindergarden classroom then dont use it here .
[03:28] <kumarphilly> now this is my opinion and I abide witht he rules and all,BUT I think a lot of time is spent worrying about the rules then getting the job done.... but that is just my opion
[03:28] <macogw> and Tweetie's always calling Sylvester the "puddy tat"
[03:29] <Black_Magic> well i just updated and its saying its having problems with
[03:29] <Gilou> come on..
[03:29] <Black_Magic> cupsys hplip hpijs
[03:29] <Black_Magic> and bluez-cups
[03:29] <mheath> Hmm, another weird issue
[03:29]  * Gilou upgrades to 2.6.24-14 and prays hard
[03:29] <mheath> Login Window Preferences took about 5 minutes and tons of hard drive spinning to start.
[03:29] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: then perhaps you need to get the "job" done but inforcing and applying the rules help others get the job done
[03:29] <macogw> mheath: maybe related to my issue?
[03:29] <zcat[1]> I always though calling someone that was comparing them to a weak little kitten, not the other meaning..
[03:29] <DanaG> sudo md5sum /dev/sr0
[03:29] <DanaG> md5sum: /dev/sr0: Input/output error
[03:29] <DanaG> wtf?
[03:29] <macogw> mheath: my issue being the that the login window won't load
[03:30] <Gilou> looks like I'll still have the issue :(
[03:30] <kumarphilly> !language | DanaG
[03:30] <ubotu> DanaG: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:30] <bazhang> heh
[03:30] <DanaG> Aren't you being a bit picky there?
[03:30] <zcat[1]> so I wouldn't have considered it offensive.. but whatever..
[03:30] <IdleOne> lmAO
[03:30] <macogw> kumarphilly: wtf and the actual spell-out of f* are pretty thoroughly separated
[03:30] <Wrath> >.>
[03:30] <kumarphilly> oops
[03:30] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:30] <Wrath> being a bit strict :s
[03:30] <macogw> kumarphilly: what the fudge, worse than failure....
[03:30] <kumarphilly> trying to get used to this
[03:30] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:30] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:30] <DanaG> heh.  No hard feelings. (voice of turret in Portal.)
[03:31] <bazhang> easy on that enter key ;]
[03:31] <kumarphilly> hah
[03:31] <kumarphilly> sorry=/
[03:31] <bazhang> portal is in the repos?
[03:31] <kumarphilly> anyone here compare hostgator to dreamhost
[03:31] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: enter key and " . " period key are not interchangeable
[03:31] <bazhang> !info portal
[03:31] <ubotu> Package portal does not exist in hardy
[03:32] <macogw> kumarphilly: um dreamhost is good. never used the other.
[03:32] <kumarphilly> ah
[03:32] <kumarphilly> thanks
[03:32] <macogw> $120/yr with shell access and one-click-installs for all the niceties like joomla and jabber and whatnot...
[03:32] <macogw> unlimited email addresses
[03:32] <mheath> macogw: Try updating again? There was apparently a gnome-settings-daemon update released just within the last hour or so...though I don't know what it addresses.
[03:33] <Black_Magic> Anyone know why im getting a dist-upgrade again?
[03:33] <kumarphilly> macogw, dream?
[03:33] <Black_Magic> i already have hard :/
[03:33] <Black_Magic> *hardy
[03:33] <DanaG> I wonder why I'm getting an error on trying to read the CD.
[03:33] <macogw> havent had any major problems with them.  2 days in the last year the site was slow. 1 day the email addresses had to have "OK" hit on them to refresh the passwords.  yes, dreamhost
[03:33] <mheath> Black_Magic: Are you getting that same "Attempt a Partial Upgrade" thing I was getting on a fresh install?
[03:33] <macogw> mheath: i did it a few minutes ago
[03:33] <macogw> mheath: didnt help
[03:33] <Black_Magic> mheath: Err mmhmm...
[03:34] <axisys> is there a 64bit version ubuntu available?
[03:34] <Black_Magic> Cannot fully upgrade packages partial upgrade
[03:34] <DanaG> Oh, and Portal is a Source engine game available on Steam.
[03:34] <kumarphilly> axisys, yes
[03:34] <Black_Magic> then it installs upgrades and then afterwards asks for dist-upgrade...
[03:34] <DanaG> Closed-source.
[03:34] <Melch> anyone know why i can't update the kernel?
[03:34] <DanaG> Of course.  (hey, that rhymed.)
[03:34] <mheath> Black_Magic: I think its because a kernel upgrade package is broken at the moment.
[03:34] <Black_Magic> and has problems with  cupsys
[03:34] <Black_Magic>  hplip
[03:34] <Black_Magic>  hpijs
[03:34] <Black_Magic>  bluez-cups
[03:34] <Melch> it is a problem with the kernel update
[03:34] <macogw> Black_Magic: kernel upgrades use dist-upgrade
[03:34] <Melch> yah it won't go
[03:34] <mheath> Black_Magic: Yep, I had the same problems..
[03:34] <macogw> Melch: some dependency's probably not done compiling
[03:35] <IdleOne> guys slow down and dont do updates for the next couple hours or so.
[03:35] <axisys> kumarphilly: how do I find out if my laptop can run 64 bit ubuntu?
[03:35] <Black_Magic> anyway to fix it...
[03:35] <mheath> Black_Magic: Everything worked out in the end, except for a broken kernel (missing the restricted drivers), but they're hopefully fixing that soon.
[03:35] <IdleOne> all you are doing is hitting the servers and with request they cant answer
[03:35] <Black_Magic> err im staying away from upgrades...
[03:35] <Melch> macogw does that mean it will say i can update just the servers are f'ed?
[03:35] <kumarphilly> axisys, A) what kinda cpu do you have B) did you run 64 bit anything before
[03:35] <Black_Magic> i needs my restricted drivers
[03:35] <Black_Magic> just for internet
[03:36] <mheath> Black_Magic: Yeah, they'll break it right now.
[03:36] <kumarphilly> what are all the bot commands for #ubuntu
[03:36] <torpedo|dog> so I'm NOT the only one with this issue.
[03:36] <Melch> just wait till tomorrow
[03:36] <Black_Magic> dont i need hplip and hpijs?
[03:36] <Melch> it should be fixed
[03:36] <IdleOne> kumarphilly: probably a couple hundred of them'
[03:36] <mheath> torpedo|dog: The broken linux-restricted-modules thing?
[03:36] <Melch> u should be able to update everything but the kernel
[03:36] <kumarphilly> IdleOne, is there a list anywhere
[03:36] <torpedo|dog> yep, just reading what Black_Magic said
[03:36] <IdleOne> !ubotu
[03:36] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:36] <axisys> kumarphilly: http://rafb.net/p/DW5u9Y93.html
[03:36] <mheath> Yep, apparently a known issue, its brand new too, and should be fixed by tomorrow.
[03:36] <axisys> kumarphilly: B) only in solaris
[03:37] <torpedo|dog> thanks, mheath
[03:37] <Black_Magic> im scared to reboot now...
[03:37] <torpedo|dog> Black_Magic: don't reboot. :-C
[03:37] <mheath> Black_Magic: If you went through a full dist-upgrade, you won't have restricted-modules when you reboot.
[03:37] <mheath> So, don't :P
[03:37] <Gilou> nice one
[03:37] <Black_Magic> mheath: it stopped
[03:37]  * Gilou doesn't even need that to be stopped
[03:37] <kumarphilly> axisys, then it should work..
[03:37]  * torpedo|dog learnt that by experience
[03:37] <Black_Magic> mheath: with dependency problem so i guess im ok
[03:37] <kumarphilly> I meant did you run any 64bit on the laptop...
[03:38] <Black_Magic> mheath: it didnt even retrive package info
[03:38] <axisys> kumarphilly: how do you know? teach me please
[03:38] <axisys> kumarphilly: no i did not
[03:38] <mheath> Black_Magic: Oh, OK, you didn't get as far as I did.
[03:38] <torpedo|dog> would the l-r-m issue also be a cause for GDM just spinning before the login screen comes up?
[03:38] <macogw> mheath: did -13's stuff not go all the way through?
[03:38] <mheath> You stuck with the GUI dialogs, that eventually freak out and die.
[03:38] <axisys> kumarphilly: on solaris i run isainfo -v to find out if the os is 64 bit ?
[03:38] <mheath> I went to the command line and forced the upgrade, and things rapidly broke.
[03:38] <Kickboy> Hey all! I've been running the Hardy beta for a couple weeks now, and everything has been pretty smooth so far. Until I updated my packages a few days ago: Now compiz-fusion won't work, and can't find any debug information that could tell me why. When I try to enable "Extra" effects in "Appearance" I get the message "Desktop effects could not be enabled". Kinda stuck as to what to do from here. Anybody got suggestions?
[03:38] <Black_Magic> mheath: i think thats a good thing eh?
[03:38] <mheath> Black_Magic: Yep :P
[03:38] <checkers> hi all, I just upgraded my hardy x86 installing running on a lappy with ati card with `apt-get dist-upgrade` and the GUI is coming up as a white screen with the mouse cursor on top
[03:38] <macogw> i dont have l-r-m installed. none of my drivers are restricted.  iwl3945 is just plain missing in -13 though
[03:39] <checkers> anyone having simmilar issues?
[03:39] <macogw> checkers: can you login?
[03:39] <kumarphilly> axisys, I have to go to bed now someone 1 out of 320 people should be able to help ya...
[03:39] <kumarphilly> sorry
[03:39] <checkers> yes, i'm looking at the terminal now
[03:39] <Melch> i can't even do a distro upgrade
[03:39] <checkers> the GUI is just white though, so can't use it
[03:39] <Black_Magic> mheath: i think this week is a good week for me i have pretty good luck hopefully it continues
[03:39] <macogw> checkers: i mean through the GUI
[03:39] <macogw> checkers: i cant login through GDM
[03:39] <torpedo|dog> checkers: same problem here
[03:39] <checkers> what GPUs are you guys running?
[03:39] <torpedo|dog> GDM hangs with the spinny cursor
[03:39] <Gilou> does anyone know how long Hardy will be held in beta?
[03:39] <axisys> anyone knows how can I find out if my cpu is 64 bit capable?
[03:40] <mheath> Black_Magic: Haha. Yep :P
[03:40] <torpedo|dog> checkers: you guessed it, ATI
[03:40] <Gilou> axisys> /proc/cpuinfo can tell you about it
[03:40] <mheath> Black_Magic: better than mine. I just went through the most nigthmarish install and update process I've ever had with Ubuntu :(
[03:40] <checkers> what's the generic free ati driver called again?
[03:40] <Gilou> but we can tell you if you tell the model name ;)
[03:40] <Kickboy> Gilou: Final release of hardy is due at the end of this month I believe
[03:40] <DanaG> Argh, can't verify correctness of disc copy:
[03:40] <DanaG> md5sum /dev/scd0
[03:40] <DanaG> md5sum: /dev/scd0: Input/output error
[03:40] <macogw> intel for me
[03:40] <torpedo|dog> it's an issue with the latest kernel upgrade - linux-restricted-modules didn't go thru
[03:40] <Gilou> Kickboy> wow..
[03:40] <macogw> checkers: ati
[03:40] <Gilou> I have to hurry report this kernel bug then :p
[03:40] <Kickboy> :x
[03:40] <axisys> Gilou: http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:41] <macogw> april 24th
[03:41] <axisys> whats in that output says it is 64 bit?
[03:41] <Gilou> it does not support 64 bit
[03:41] <axisys> Gilou: how do u know?
[03:41] <checkers> torpedo|dog: ah yes, I see that in my apt here. so installing the free driver will presumeably work then for the moment?
[03:41] <DanaG> end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0
[03:41] <DanaG> Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0
[03:41] <axisys> Gilou: i want to find out what parameters says that
[03:41] <macogw> checkers: if its an old enough card, yeah...
[03:41] <torpedo|dog> checkers: I don't know, but it's certainly worth a shot.
[03:41] <torpedo|dog> right now I'm talking to you on irssi over tty1 ;)
[03:42] <checkers> what's the free driver package called?
[03:42] <macogw> on a computer which does not require l-r-m, what would cause -13 to not have wifi?
[03:42] <torpedo|dog> it's either "ati" or "radeon", but I can't remember which
[03:42] <macogw> did they leave the driver out?
[03:42] <axisys> anyone here knows "how" to find out if my cpu supports 64 bit http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:42] <macogw> torpedo|dog: in xorg.conf, it's ati, i believe
[03:42] <torpedo|dog> macogw: do you have intel wifi?
[03:42] <Gilou> axisys> I think it's the "lm" flag
[03:42] <macogw> torpedo|dog: yes
[03:42] <Gilou> but Pentium M are 32 bits processor
[03:42] <mheath> macogw: You don't have wifi?
[03:42] <torpedo|dog> that's part of l-r-m, I believe
[03:42] <macogw> mheath: no
[03:42] <macogw> torpedo|dog: nope
[03:43] <patifa> axisys what's that the output from?
[03:43] <macogw> torpedo|dog: ipw3945 had binary stuff in l-r-m.  iwl3945 doesn't.
[03:43] <mheath> macogw: Given that Ubuntu uses network-manager, now, it could be an issue in the gnome settings stuff
[03:43] <torpedo|dog> I see.
[03:43] <axisys> patifa: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:43] <axisys> patifa: http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:43] <macogw> i removed l-r-m a few days after installing hardy and realizing i had fully FOSS drivers
[03:43] <axisys> patifa: so i got one person said it is 64 bt and one says no 64 but
[03:43]  * checkers reboots...
[03:43] <axisys> bit
[03:43] <torpedo|dog> good luck, checkers
[03:43] <macogw> axisys: just tell us the model name
[03:43] <torpedo|dog> come back and tell me how it worked for you ;)
[03:44] <axisys> macogw: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz
[03:44] <DanaG> ipw3945 worked far better than iwl3945, for me.
[03:44] <macogw> mheath: i'm not in gnome...i cant login
[03:44] <patifa> ug
[03:44] <patifa> which one is it
[03:44] <macogw> axisys: aww pentiums dont have the nice naming conventions.
[03:44] <DanaG> iwl3945 can cause things like ksoftirqd eating 100% of one core, or modprobe (to try to unload the module) eating 100% of the OTHER core.
[03:44] <torpedo|dog> I never noticed the difference personally, DanaG.  How did you find them different?
[03:44] <checkers> yup, that worked
[03:44] <torpedo|dog> oh, that's different
[03:44] <checkers> thanks torpedo|dog
[03:44] <DanaG> iwl3945 is buggy.
[03:44] <macogw> DanaG: havent had that issue
[03:44] <torpedo|dog> time for me to do the same then ;)
[03:45] <checkers> just had to change the driver over in xorg.conf
[03:45] <macogw> DanaG: i heard in the early alphas itd kernel panic, but it works fine for me now
[03:45] <DanaG> Try toggling wireless a few times, using both the hardware killswitch and the software toggle in NM.
[03:45] <checkers> let me check if it was ati or radon
[03:45] <axisys> macogw: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:45] <axisys> macogw: http://rafb.net/p/Y7pcD833.html
[03:45] <macogw> axisys: how do i open links from irssi in lynx?
[03:45] <patifa> oh
[03:45] <patifa> I know what those are
[03:45] <patifa> you need the flag called 'lm'
[03:45] <checkers> torpedo|dog: just changed Driver "fglrx" to "ati" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:45] <Gilou> [04:42:37] <Gilou>  axisys> I think it's the "lm" flag
[03:45] <Gilou> :p
[03:45] <macogw> axisys: i have no X
[03:45]  * checkers off now
[03:46] <axisys> macogw: ags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up bts est tm2
[03:46] <axisys> macogw: flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss tm pbe nx up bts est tm2
[03:46] <macogw> axisys: O_o ok yeah idk
[03:47] <patifa> so yeah, you don't have lm or the other useful flag for 64 computing (which has _lm in it)
[03:47] <axisys> patifa: ok.. thnx
[03:50] <torpedo|dog> Well, switching to ati didn't help too much :(
[03:50] <zcat[1]> hmm, loks like I'll just use the windows version of OOo that I installed in WIne until hardy gets this sorted out
[03:50] <patifa> Are others having problems with OO in hardy?
[03:51] <ReL1K> patifa yea
[03:51] <zcat[1]> Yes. Very yes.
[03:51] <patifa> synaptic is having a field day with OO updates for me.
[03:51] <ReL1K> everyone else is
[03:51] <IdleOne> patifa: everybody yup
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> patifa: don't reboot your system after updating, if there's a kernel update
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> and you use restricted drivers
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> ^ PSA
[03:51] <zcat[1]> and I can't even find an independent 64-bit build I can use in the meantime
[03:51] <patifa> Not using restricted drivers.
[03:51] <torpedo|dog> lucky! :P
[03:51] <patifa> I have an ATI X1650
[03:52] <zcat[1]> Worst case I could still boot back into gutsy anyhow
[03:52] <zcat[1]> I have a dual-boot-shared-home install :)
[03:53] <torpedo|dog> zcat[1]: do things ever get wonky with respect to the newer vs. older application config files?
[03:53] <Melch> everyone having problems upgrading right?
[03:53] <torpedo|dog> you betcha
[03:53] <patifa> yep
[03:53] <zcat[1]> semi-shared home.. yes, they would, so I don't truly share home like that
[03:54] <torpedo|dog> also, +1 for "very yes"
[03:54] <torpedo|dog> Melch: restricted drivers getting you down?
[03:54] <patifa> So zcat did you screw up X by half-updating?
[03:55] <tkooda> have the hardy issues from yesterday been fixed?
[03:55] <zcat[1]> I have no idea how badly hardy is screwed here.. I dare not reboot now :)
[03:55] <Melch> no it will fail with any and all kernerl related updates
[03:55] <jbroome> Glad i'm on a big UPS
[03:55] <patifa> Great
[03:55] <torpedo|dog> ...else you'll be stuck in tty1 talking to everybody over irssi ;)
[03:55] <zcat[1]> Well, we were warned.. :)
[03:55] <patifa> I think I partially installed some kernel upgrades
[03:55] <patifa> Right as it screwed up.
[03:56] <torpedo|dog> *womp womp*
[03:56] <DanaG> That's odd: I closed my buddy list, and Pidgin quit.
[03:56] <DanaG> I have it set to show systray icon, but it didn't show one!
[03:56] <DanaG> I had to select "show icon" -> "never" and then "always" again to get it back.
[03:56] <patifa> Guess I'll be suspending hardy, then. :P
[03:57] <zcat[1]> just to really mess things up, I decided to replace flash-nonfree with plugin-gnash ...
[03:57] <zcat[1]> this should be interesting
[03:57] <DanaG> Oh yeah, a word to the wise: don't scsiadd -r your boot drive.  It causes Bad Things to happen (namely, root disappears).
[03:57] <torpedo|dog> go one step further and replace Java with GCJ!
[03:57] <zcat[1]> .. If I can't get my homestarrunner fix I'll be switching right back of course
[03:58]  * torpedo|dog needs him some ascii art Homestaw
[03:58] <patifa> Well I'm just concerned about X not starting again here.
[03:58] <zcat[1]> sun java is OSS now isn't it?
[03:58] <DanaG> Argh, and something keeps turning down my PCM volume all the way to zero.
[03:58] <torpedo|dog> Well, not the Sun Java package, yet.
[03:58] <zcat[1]> DanaG: around here that's usually my kids.. they just don't appreciate good music!
[03:59] <torpedo|dog> and I'm sure that even Sun opening the source to Java won't stop GNU from reimplementing their own, 'cause they seem to like to do that
[03:59] <macogw> torpedo|dog: like me?
[03:59] <torpedo|dog> ?
[03:59] <macogw> i'm screening irssi, lynx, and a term because i cant login to GDM
[03:59]  * torpedo|dog hifives macogw
[04:00] <torpedo|dog> I would have started screen if I were smarter
[04:00] <DanaG> I can't stand modern Pop music.
[04:01] <patifa> Well I don't have restricted drivers, and I haven't yet updated the linux kernel.
[04:01] <patifa> Anyone know how lucky I'll be at a restart?
[04:02] <macogw> O_o xdm just corrupted my terminal somehow
[04:02] <macogw> its all big artifacts
[04:02] <torpedo|dog> that's no good
[04:03] <patifa> Tried resetting it?
[04:04] <akk> Is there a metapackage that installs "all the standard stuff to get a working X11"?
[04:04] <akk> I've been gradually building up fonts, servers, clients, config stuff ... getting a little farther each time
[04:05] <akk> now I have the server stuff but not the client stuff, like xterm
[04:05] <torpedo|dog> akk: you don't want a desktop environment like Gnome or KDE, just an X11?
[04:06] <akk> torpedo|dog: Just X
[04:06] <zcat[1]> seems the gnash package is broken too.. firefox keeps telling me I need a plugin
[04:06] <zcat[1]> It should at least try to use gnash, right?\
[04:06] <DanaG> All my theme previews are broken.
[04:06] <DanaG> And icon previews, too.
[04:06] <torpedo|dog> zcat[1]: speaking of plugins, do you use Java 1.6?
[04:06] <zcat[1]> just when hardy was starting to look quite nice, they had to go mess up everything!
[04:07] <zcat[1]> torpedo|dog: no idea.
[04:07] <torpedo|dog> thanks anyway
[04:07] <torpedo|dog> were you around for the last time they messed up everything?
[04:07] <macogw> zcat[1]: yeah really...
[04:07] <zcat[1]> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b08)
[04:08] <patifa> macogw, synaptic is listing xorg as the X11 metapackage
[04:08] <zcat[1]> apparently yes, 1.6
[04:08] <torpedo|dog> hm... well, firefox has never worked for Java 1.6 for me, so if anybody has any ideas...?
[04:08] <macogw> i was at a promote-linux-to-the-government thing today and i said "the next one is looking really nice, except well, sometimes things break when beta-testing, like today, so i cant show you"
[04:08] <macogw> it was to a linux user though
[04:08] <macogw> not to a "what's linux?" person
[04:09] <AmyRose> Hi macogw
[04:09] <akk> lol, installing acpi and acpi-support pulls in finger ? (and not as a recommends, either)
[04:09] <macogw> hi AmyRose
[04:09]  * akk doesn't generally think of finger as being a critical part of acpi handling
[04:10] <macogw> woah akk's in here?
[04:10] <macogw> akk: you confused me!
[04:10] <akk> hi macogw :)
[04:10]  * AmyRose hugs macogw
[04:10] <macogw> i had to double take and check what channel this was
[04:10] <macogw> haha *hugs back*
[04:10] <akk> acpi also requires radeontool, toshset and various other stuff
[04:10] <torpedo|dog> akk: what's handling? Holding something in your hand. Can't do that without fingers! ;)
[04:10] <patifa> xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-video-all are metas too.
[04:11] <zcat[1]> apparently I've passed my cap too, bloody modem speed downloads today
[04:12] <torpedo|dog> oh poop, I don't know how to switch windows in irssi
[04:12] <zcat[1]> 97%
[04:12] <patifa> alts I think
[04:12] <zcat[1]> finally..
[04:13] <fxjr> hi all!
[04:13] <zcat[1]> oh well, might as well reboot and see how bad it fails
[04:13] <fxjr> I'm coming from #ubuntu. they said I couldn't talk about 8.04 there :)
[04:13] <patifa> good timing, it's exploding for anyone who updates
[04:13] <fxjr> well, my problem is that I have a key binding for ctrl + alt + pgup/down
[04:13] <fxjr> and so I can't change tabs in gedit
[04:14] <fxjr> because compiz wall plugin changes workspaces when I press them
[04:14] <fxjr> do you know how I can disable this binding from wall plugin?
[04:14] <fxjr> I already tried to search for this binding in advanced search of compizconfig settings manager with no luck :(
[04:15] <macogw> fxjr: you can change the binding in gedit
[04:15] <macogw> fxjr: if you just mouse over an option in a menu in gnome and hit a keyboard combo, it remaps that option to that keyboard combo
[04:16] <fxjr> OMG!!
[04:16] <fxjr> is that true???
[04:16] <fxjr> I never would think about that!!
[04:16] <fxjr> let me give it a try....
[04:16] <macogw> it might be a setting in gnome you can disable, but i once accidentally mapped "new tab" in gnome-terminal to backspace that way
[04:16] <macogw> that was really confusing
[04:17] <DanaG> You have to explicitly enable that remapping.
[04:17] <fxjr> I think so.
[04:17] <macogw> i thought it was enabled and you had to disable it
[04:17] <fxjr> because I tried and it didn't change.
[04:17] <fxjr> where do I enable it?
[04:17] <macogw> oh umm where's the accelerator changer option?
[04:17] <fxjr> I would love to have gedit changing tabs with ctrl + pgup/down
[04:18] <DanaG> preferences->appearance
[04:18] <DanaG> tab: "interface"
[04:18] <fxjr> going there....
[04:18] <fxjr> aha!!
[04:19] <fxjr> let me try now change gedit keybindings....
[04:19] <akk> That remapping used to be the default in gtk1, but in gtk2 each program has to enable it and most don't
[04:19] <macogw> akk: i think actual gnome ones have it enabled
[04:19] <akk> those that do, like gimp, usually make it an off-by-default pref
[04:19] <macogw> like ones that live on gnome.org
[04:21] <fxjr> DanaG, macogw Thanks!!
[04:21] <fxjr> that worked!!
[04:21] <fxjr> at least sort of...
[04:21] <fxjr> because my keybinding doesn't work :(
[04:21] <fxjr> I wanted to use ctrl+pgup
[04:21] <fxjr> but it is already being used by the text field itself to go to beginning of line :(
[04:22] <DanaG> One thing that bugs me on Apple:
[04:22] <fxjr> although I use home to do that.
[04:22] <DanaG> "Home" is wrong -- it acts like "ctrl-home"
[04:22] <akk> w00t!  finally got far enough to test, and hardy fixes the display-out bug that gutsy introduced last January
[04:22] <macogw> whats ctrl+home?
[04:22] <axisys> is there a .deb for ff 3b5 /
[04:22] <axisys> ?
[04:22] <DanaG> Beginning of document.
[04:22] <macogw> akk: feisty?
[04:22] <macogw> DanaG: whats home then?
[04:23] <macogw> i thought home should take you to the top of a webpage...and end to the bottom
[04:23] <akk> macogw: feisty was fine, and gutsy was fine until the end of January when an update broke it
[04:23] <macogw> not that it works in firefox
[04:23] <hansin> Can anyone tell me the Upstart equivalent to the inittab file?  Sorry if this is a dumb question, as I can't find inittab on my Gutsy install either.  Are there even such things as runlevels in Upstart?  Thanks.
[04:23] <DanaG> Is "F7" set in Firefox?
[04:23] <macogw> akk: ooo i thought you meant jan 07 which wouldnt work for gutsy.  since when does ubuntu do updats?
[04:23] <fxjr> well... I think I will need to disable the shortcut in wall plugin itself :(
[04:24] <macogw> hansin: i think its the entire /etc/event.d/ directory... talk to jdong though
[04:24] <DanaG> DOn't forget to re-disable the remappability.
[04:24] <macogw> hansin: he has an entirely upstart based system.  cut his boot time in half.
[04:24] <akk> macogw: yeah, it's supposed to be only minor bugfixes, lots of serious bugs don't get fixed, yet somehow video-out got horked
[04:24] <fxjr> do you know where do I find where wall is mapping ctrl+alt+pgup/down to change workspaces??
[04:25] <hansin> macogw: Thanks.  Now that I think about it, that sounds familiar.  I'll go dig there and see what I can learn.
[04:25] <macogw> hansin: upstart is in ubuntu but being used to its full potential.  it's in sysv compat mode...just calls init scripts because upstream projects dont know to have upstart scripts available yet
[04:25] <macogw> hansin: i said that wrong
[04:25] <DanaG> heh:
[04:25] <DanaG> Version 0.27:
[04:25] <DanaG>   * Updating the look of the Human theme.
[04:25] <macogw> hansin: but *not* being used to its full....
[04:26] <macogw> ok new and different
[04:26] <DanaG> My opinion: append "by hitting it with the Ugly stick".
[04:26] <macogw> i made xdm default like akk suggested and after rebooting xdm *does* load gnome
[04:26] <macogw> this is good...
[04:26] <Black_Magic> whats that PDF Reader that reads the PDF File outloud?
[04:27] <DanaG> Now it looks all washed-out and "pasty-faced"
[04:27] <DanaG> WTF?  Update-manager just reselected everything I unchecked!
[04:27] <macogw> DanaG: i want the version of the murrine one with the brushed metal menubars. know where to get it?
[04:27] <DanaG> I'm speaking of the GDM theme, actually.
[04:28] <DanaG> Uncheck stuff... click Update.... get error for any of various reasons.... BOOM!  Everything's checked again!
[04:28] <macogw> there's definitely no gnome settings daemon going
[04:28] <macogw> DanaG: oh. no idea. i have a lack of working gdm /me scowls at it
[04:28] <torpedo|dog> DanaG: update-manager thinks it's smarter than you!
[04:29] <torpedo|dog> show it who's boss!
[04:29] <DanaG> I refuse to install packages without changelogs.
[04:29] <fxjr> well...
[04:29] <axisys> anyone know of a debian/ubuntu pkg for firefox 3 beta 5?
[04:29] <fxjr> I think I will have to disable the wall plugin...
[04:31] <torpedo|dog> okay, I just did an apt-get upgrade, and we now have libx86-1, l-r-m-common, login, passwd, and fglrx updated.
[04:31] <torpedo|dog> unfortunately, no regular l-r-m yet...
[04:32] <torpedo|dog> fxjr: are you in Gnome?
[04:32] <Kl4m> I've been given the bugs.html again; this is getting annoying
[04:32] <hansin> macogw: Okay, I get it.  I am seeing that the small scripts in /etc/event.d really just trigger the svsv scripts...  Thanks.
[04:32] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, yeap
[04:33] <Black_Magic> Anyone know my eyes hurt im seeing lil color plurges on the screen
[04:33] <torpedo|dog> because if so, I *think* it will respect the Gnome workspace switcher preferences if you go to Sys > Prefs > Keyboard Shortcuts...
[04:33] <fxjr> well, for now, desktop cube worked for me.
[04:33] <fxjr> although with the default 2 workspaces of ubuntu, I don't get exactly a cube ... :)
[04:33] <akk> I think the best thing about hardy is going to be that I no longer have to type gutsu^Hy every time I write about my OS.
[04:33] <torpedo|dog> hm. it might not, then. I remember it having done so
[04:34] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, hm.......
[04:34] <akk> I don't know why I'm incapable of typing "gutsy" properly, but I seem to be.
[04:34] <fxjr> let me see....
[04:34] <Pici> hadry.
[04:34] <torpedo|dog> hadron.
[04:34] <akk> hardy hadron, that would have been a good name!
[04:35] <torpedo|dog> it would have been a very small OS...
[04:35] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, no luck.
[04:35] <akk> made of even smaller parts!
[04:35] <torpedo|dog> :-(
[04:35] <fxjr> the keybinding in keyboard shortcuts is set to ctrl+alt+left
[04:36] <fxjr> I can confirm it is a problem in the wall plugin itself because when I disable it, I can use ctrl+alt + pgup
[04:36] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, are you using gnome?
[04:36] <torpedo|dog> not at the moment, no.
[04:36] <fxjr> ok. don't you have this problem?
[04:36] <akk> key bindings are really easy to set in openbox :)
[04:36]  * torpedo|dog rebooted after a partial kind-of kernel update ;)
[04:36] <fxjr> ahhh ok.
[04:37] <fxjr> is anybody here using gnome?
[04:37] <torpedo|dog> But when I was in Gnome and used compiz, the keybindings nearly always reflected gnome standards
[04:37] <torpedo|dog> *settings
[04:37] <fxjr> who could test the ctrl+alt+pgup?
[04:37] <fxjr> torpedo|dog, yeap. that's true.
[04:37] <fxjr> at least I thought so until I started gedit and tried to change a tab.. :)
[04:38]  * torpedo|dog no longer uses compiz when he is in gnome -- xgl eats too much rams and is a bit unstalbe for my taste
[04:38] <fxjr> I see....
[04:38] <fxjr> answer me a question...
[04:38] <torpedo|dog> isn't that just ctrl+pgup/dn?
[04:38] <fxjr> I liked the compiz because you can assign a lot of shortcuts to keyboard.
[04:38] <fxjr> is there a way of doing that with plain gnome?
[04:39] <fxjr> for example...
[04:39] <fxjr> I set up <super>+f to open a nautilus window for me.
+t to open a gnome-terminal
[04:39] <fxjr> how could I do that on plain gnome?
[04:39] <Kl4m> huh, system -> prefs -> keyboard shortcuts?
[04:40] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: You do know that Xgl != Compiz, right?
[04:40] <torpedo|dog> that's an excellent question I might be able to answer if I had access to Gnome at the moment. I think you might be able to do custom stuff there, but I'm not sure.
[04:40] <torpedo|dog> RAOF: yeah, I stopped using Compiz because XGL ate too much rams and I'm on a newish ATI.
[04:40] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: And you almost certainly can run compiz without Xgl.
[04:40] <torpedo|dog> newish ATI?
[04:40] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:41] <torpedo|dog> how would I accomplish that?
[04:41] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: The fglrx driver no longer sucks _quite_ so much, and provides the things needed for compiz.
[04:41] <torpedo|dog> !
[04:41] <torpedo|dog> Well, right now I'm stuck in a tty, so I'll take your word for it.
[04:41] <fxjr> Kl4m, yes, but where or how can I say that I want <super>+f to call nautilus?
[04:42] <torpedo|dog> also, RAOF, are you talking about the ATI-packaged fglrx or the Ubuntu fglrx?
[04:42] <Kl4m> Hmm yes it seems there is no "super-combination" with that dialog
[04:42] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: Ubuntu fglrx.
[04:42] <torpedo|dog> because I was under the impression that the Ubuntu one trailed by a bit
[04:43] <torpedo|dog> !!
[04:43] <torpedo|dog> I'll have to try it out sometime.
[04:43] <RAOF> torpedo|dog: I mean, you'll see a _different_ set of bugs, because fglrx still sucks, but they won't be Xgl bugs anymore :)
[04:44] <torpedo|dog> and perhaps I might be able to run celestia and compiz at the same time! joy!
[04:44] <torpedo|dog> now, if only they would get a sensible preferences window...
[04:45] <Kl4m> Hey try this. Run glchess, start a game against GNUChess, then use help. You win?
[04:45] <torpedo|dog> because the default "How many effects? None/Some/Lots" is too few, and CompizConfig's "Change every little thing!"  Pie is healthy for you?
[04:46] <bluecake> if i "POP3" my emails with thunderbird (windows), can i export the emails to thunderbird (linux)?
[04:46] <tgelter> so, I realize that this isn't the best place to ask this (point me to a good channel if you know of one)...does anyone know of a good source for good-quality A/V receivers that won't break the bank?
[04:47] <torpedo|dog> ooh, actually, I'm looking for a [US, ATSC] usb hdtv tuner myself, so if anybody has an answer, that would be pretty fantastic
[04:47] <bluecake>  if i "POP3" my emails with thunderbird (windows), can i export the emails to thunderbird (linux)?
[04:47] <bluecake> shit..
[04:48] <RAOF> !ohmy > bluecake :)
[04:49] <fxjr> well, guys....
[04:49] <fxjr> thank you very much for your help
[04:49] <torpedo|dog> I think you can just copy over the whole profile folder, but I think there might be some caveats to that.
[04:49] <fxjr> I will try to find anything about the wall plugin.
[04:49] <fxjr> but for now, I'm happy that I can use desktop cube instead
[04:49] <DanaG> I'd need a QAM tuner, myself.
[04:49] <fxjr> and that I learned one thing about gnome I would never imagine: I can change menu shortcuts on the fly!!
[04:49] <fxjr> that' s amazing!!
[04:50]  * DanaG will be switching to ATI in the summer.
[04:50] <DanaG> I'm sick of my nvidia issues.
[04:50] <torpedo|dog> QAM would also be nice for me, but some cursory googling suggests that ain't gonna happen on USB, which is unfortunate 'cause I'm on a laptop
[04:50] <DanaG> HDHomeRun.
[04:50] <DanaG> Ethernet; just not encrypted QAM, of course.
[04:50] <torpedo|dog> ethernet?
[04:52] <DanaG> Yup; a networked tuner, that merely dumps the stream over the network to any attached devices.
[04:52] <DanaG> It's QAM and ATSC only.
[04:52] <torpedo|dog> no analog TV at all?
[04:52] <DanaG> Not on that thing.
[04:52] <DanaG> But remember: Analog will die in 2009 in the US.
[04:52] <Kl4m> Can anybody confirm this simple bug? Run glchess, start a game against GNUChess, then go to help->contents. You win.
[04:52] <torpedo|dog> hm, certainly something to look at if I'm going broadcast
[04:53] <fxjr> well, bye all
[04:53] <torpedo|dog> right now, I'm in Skaneateles, NY, a bit too far from Syracuse to be picking up their OTA channels clearly
[04:53] <AnswerGuy> Anyone else here ever work on 64-bit systems with an "nfsnobody" of -1 and see a /var/log/lastlog with a (sparse/virtual) size of 1.2TB?
[04:53] <fxjr> and have a good night.
[04:53] <Kl4m> good night to you
[04:53] <fxjr> going bed. here is 12:53 AM
[04:53] <AnswerGuy> Ever try to grep it?
[04:53] <fxjr> thanks Kl4m !
[04:53] <fxjr> night.
[04:53] <torpedo|dog> what could go wrong, AnswerGuy?
[04:54] <AnswerGuy> To normal utilities like grep, this will look like a 1.2TB stream of NUL characters
[04:54] <AnswerGuy> One long line.
[04:54] <AnswerGuy> Think about how GNU grep will try to deal with that ...
[04:55] <torpedo|dog> assert(line_length <<PHONE_NUMBER> /* who would have lines this long? */)
[04:56] <HorizonXP> hey?
[04:56] <torpedo|dog> or did it malloc itself into a deep hole?
[04:56] <HorizonXP> ok phew
[04:56] <HorizonXP> nvm
[04:56] <AnswerGuy> (For fun, try it yourself on a 64-bit system; create an account with a UID of -1; log in, log out; log back in as root; grep zzz /var/log/lastlog.
[04:56] <Kl4m> I think grep should handle it, slowly. Or maybe I have too much faith in GNU utilities
[04:56] <AnswerGuy> Well on my RHEL4u4 system it malloc() it's way through RAM and swap before eventually reporting "memory exhausted"
[04:57] <AnswerGuy> It didn't invoke the kernel OOM killer; so nothing really bad happened.  But the system was unresponsive for about 10 minutes.
[04:57] <akk> I wish I could remember what I did in gutsy to make the cardbus network card work, since it needs doing again in hardy
[04:57] <AnswerGuy> (3GiB RAM, 6GB swap)
[04:57] <torpedo|dog> so it looks like at least they checked if(NULL == ptr) somewhere.
[04:58] <torpedo|dog> which, in that case, seems like the most reasonable thing to do, because people can use grep for crazy/memory-intensive/crazy memory-intensive purposes
[04:58] <AnswerGuy> Well, if (moremem = malloc(...) < 0) at any rate
[04:59] <AnswerGuy> Oh, actually I see what you mean NULL == ptr
[04:59] <torpedo|dog> (assuming ptr were a pointer allocated at some point before)
[05:00] <Killeroid> hi, anyone know how to make ubuntu use only b43legacy as the wireless driver instead of always loading b43
[05:00] <AnswerGuy> Anyway, I'll try it on my Ubuntu/Hardy system at home tonight to see if there's something there that's handling it more gracefully
[05:00] <torpedo|dog> again, what could possibly go wrong?
[05:00] <torpedo|dog> I guess set it off as you go to bed and see what happens in the morning!
[05:00] <AnswerGuy> Yeah, I was forgetting that malloc() never returns -ENOMEM
[05:00] <AnswerGuy> That would be brk()s job
[05:01] <torpedo|dog> I've only ever done a little C for a class at RIT -- we only got into basic memory management
[05:01] <AnswerGuy> Yeah, my 64-bit Hardy box at home is 8GiB of RAM
[05:01] <torpedo|dog> nothing to do with erromhygod that's a lot of ram
[05:01] <torpedo|dog> *errno
[05:02] <AnswerGuy> It was my xmas gift to myself.
[05:02] <AnswerGuy> brk() is the system call over which malloc() and similar library functions are built.
[05:02] <AnswerGuy> brk() returns -ENOMEM if the kernel decides there's not enough memory to give you.
[05:03] <AnswerGuy> (But because of CoW and overcommit semantics there's not guarantee that a successful brk() can be fully satisfied by real memory or even swap in the default case)
[05:06] <AnswerGuy> dinner time: bye all
[05:06] <torpedo|dog> mmm, enjoy
[05:06] <torpedo|dog> dinner is definitely one of /my/ top three meals of the day
[05:08] <DanaG> Heh, one of the players has died.
[05:08] <DanaG> How do you "die" in Chess?
[05:08] <DanaG> I know there's Checkmate, but that's not "Dying" per se.
[05:09] <torpedo|dog> well, the rook can be pretty pointy
[05:09] <torpedo|dog> and if you fell on it, it might not end well
[05:17] <DanaG> HEh, even stranger: rewind a computer-versus-computer game, one gets checkmate.
[05:20] <DanaG> You are unable to play in 3D mode due to the following problems:         No Python OpenGL support         No Python GTKGLExt support                     Please contact your system administrator to resolve these problems, until then you will be able to play chess in 2D mode.
[05:20] <DanaG> Okay, how about telling me PACKAGE NAMES?
[05:20] <akk> DanaG: That would be telling.
[05:21] <DanaG> Should I file a bug report on the "Can't right-click padevchooser" issue?
[05:23] <Kl4m> DanaG: so you confirm it. My explanation was enough to reproduce the bug righ
[05:24] <DanaG> Link me to it, and I can confirm.
[05:24] <Kl4m> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glchess/+bug/210642
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210642 in glchess "GNUChess loses on consulting help" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:24] <DanaG> Oh, I thought you meant the padevchooser one.
[05:25] <Kl4m> It's been "bugs.html"-ed.
[05:28] <T1m0thy> Anyone else unable to apply the upgrades yet?
[05:29] <igorgue> T1m0thy: have problems with update?
[05:29] <T1m0thy> Yeah.
[05:29] <igorgue> I'm about to do it...
[05:29] <igorgue> I probably won't :P
[05:29] <igorgue> T1m0thy: what's up with it?
[05:29] <T1m0thy> oh
[05:29] <T1m0thy> wait
[05:29] <T1m0thy> here
[05:29] <T1m0thy> Okay, so uh.. I'm getting updates for Hardy.. and it says it can't do a complete upgrade, but a partial upgrade will install ones that can be installed. So, I click partial upgrade.. It says it's running, then fails.
[05:29] <T1m0thy> I had that typed but I didn't send it because it said just to wait and try again.
[05:30] <igorgue> ahh T1m0thy I got that too... reload your packages
[05:30] <Kl4m> Try apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:30] <Kl4m> after apt-get update.
[05:30] <T1m0thy> alright
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> then repeat that ... apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[05:31] <T1m0thy> what's so big about this?
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> and then dist-upgrade ... to be sure
[05:32] <Kl4m> It still says linux-restricted-modules-generic is held
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> might have some issues ... and will be released when ready
[05:32] <Kl4m> but everything seems to work fine
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> then safe to ignore for now
[05:32] <Gilou> man hal 0.5.11.xx is so fucked up.
[05:32] <sotap> I had this problem earlier as well.  I used synaptic to install all updates besides the linux* packages.  After I did that I was able to update the remaining packages without a dist-upgrade.
[05:33] <zcat[1]> Fetched 7413kB in 17min18s (7140B/s)
[05:33] <akk> I don't suppose there's anybody here who knows how udev is supposed to handle pcmcia/cardbus cards ...?
[05:33] <zcat[1]> damn third-world internet
[05:34] <torpedo|dog> zcat[1]: .au?
[05:34] <zcat[1]> .nz
[05:35] <torpedo|dog> hm, I've heard all sorts of bad things about the Australian ISP (yes, there's competition, but not meaningful), but nothing that vitriolic about New Zealand's. Similar situation?
[05:35] <zcat[1]> I have a cap.. 1G per day, 20G per month.. if I go over, I get dialup speeds for the rest of the month
[05:36] <torpedo|dog> wow, that's really crappy...I probably go through more than that in a typical day thanks to internet radio
[05:36] <torpedo|dog> that = 1GB
[05:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glchess/+bug/210642
[05:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210642 in glchess "GNUChess loses on consulting help" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[05:36] <Slynderdale> When I try to ugrade to Ubuntu 8.04 I get this error "could not calculate upgrade"
[05:37] <DanaG> akk: what card?
[05:37] <torpedo|dog> Slynderdale: there are some dependency issues right now, wait until tomorrow and try again
[05:37] <akk> DanaG: 3Com 3c59x, wired ethernet
[05:37] <akk> DanaG: It works fine but only if I manually type ifdown eth0; ifup eth0
[05:38] <DanaG> Odd.
[05:38] <akk> DanaG: Inserting the card, or running pccardctl insert, doesn't call ifup or init.d/network start or anything
[05:38] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps there's something in /etc/network/interfaces that's preventing it from using NetworkManager.
[05:38] <akk> No NetworkManager involved here -- I don't run gnome
[05:38] <DanaG> Or KDE?
[05:38] <akk> no
[05:39] <akk> this is a 5-year-old laptop, it's not fast enough to run those big eye-candy desktops
[05:39] <DanaG> Aah.  Well, perhaps it needs to have "auto eth0" in the interfaces file.
[05:40] <DanaG> or allow-hotplug
[05:40] <DanaG> eth1
[05:40] <DanaG> eth0. whatever.
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> something to the effect of:
[05:40] <akk> I have auto-eth0 and allow-hotplug eth0
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> auto eth0
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> eth0 inet dhcp
[05:40] <akk> yes, sorry, auto eth0, not auto-eth0
[05:40] <torpedo|dog> let me look at my /etc/network/interfaces and check
[05:41] <torpedo|dog> > auto eth0
[05:41] <torpedo|dog> > iface eth0 inet dhcp
[05:41] <torpedo|dog> is what mine says, minus the > which I just used to indicate quoting
[05:42] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/53829
[05:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 53829 in udev "ifup invoked as --allow auto instead of --allow hotplug" [Undecided,Invalid]
[05:42] <akk> Mine is iface eth0 inet static, followed by address, netmask and gateway lines (it's not dhcp)
[05:42] <torpedo|dog> arr
[05:43] <DanaG> Add the "auto" line.
[05:43] <torpedo|dog> with NM, is it possible to have one network in a limited netmask like <IP_ADDRESS>/16 and the other interface autoconfigured?
[05:43] <heydabop> I have an nVidia Go 6100 video card and on hardware drivers, it says the driver nvidia_new is enabled, but not in use. How do I put it to use?
[05:43] <akk> DanaG: sorry, which auto line? I already have auto eth0
[05:43] <DanaG> aah.
[05:44] <akk> I also have allow-hotplug eth0
[05:44] <akk> used to need both of them, but now I guess it needs something else too
[05:45] <akk> I knew how to debug these things under hotplug, but I don't have a clue how it's supposed to work now with pccardctl and udev, or how to debug it
[05:46] <DanaG> hmm, try udevmonitor
[05:46] <DanaG> or rather, sudo udevmonitor
[05:48] <akk> thanks, I didn't know about udevmonitor
[05:49] <akk> I get 2 add lines -- the second one is for /class/net/eth0 (net)
[05:49] <akk> and then the same 2 lines repeated a second time
[05:49] <DanaG> Heh:
[05:49] <DanaG> "How do you even "die" in Chess?  I don't normally use the term "death" to describe checkmate."
[05:50] <akk> depends on how bad the checkmate is, maybe :)
[05:51] <akk> I'm not sure what that udevmonitor is telling me
[05:52] <akk> Is udev supposed to call ifup? And would udevmonitor tell me if it did?
[05:53] <berbs> latest updates broke network manager (can't retrieve IP), is anyone seeing the same issue?
[05:54] <akk> heh, berbs, I'm seeing that without even having network manager
[05:54] <T1m0thy> :S
[05:54] <T1m0thy> I can just exit a terminal downloading the updates right?
[05:54] <DanaG> I think it would say so, yes, upon card insertion.
[05:55] <torpedo|dog> downloading, I think so. Installing, not so much.
[05:55] <Kl4m> Ctrl+C before would be safer
[05:55] <Kl4m> what he said
[05:55] <torpedo|dog> ^ good plan
[05:55] <berbs> akk: it used to happen for me for a while, then an update to network-manager fixed it and now it's broken again... argh
[05:55] <berbs> I have to explicitely set the wireless info.
[05:56] <T1m0thy> I sometimes get d/c from the internet randomly.. but it hasn't happened for a while.
[05:56] <akk> It looks like /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules is where the rule is defined that's supposed to call ifup, on an add
[05:56] <T1m0thy> I know others had it too.
[05:56] <akk> but I don't know how to tell if udev is ever getting there
[05:56] <Kl4m> same here, the ipw card goes down suddenly
[05:58] <akk> ah, the difference between the two seemingly dup pairs of lines in udevmonitor is that the first pair are UEVENT, the second are UDEV
[05:59] <akk> but man udevmonitor doesn't talk about what either of those mean
[06:03] <T1m0thy> It says a package manager is working even after I closed the terminal downloading the upgrades. :\
[06:05] <DanaG> !info ifplugd
[06:05] <ubotu> Package ifplugd does not exist in hardy
[06:06] <DanaG> Oh yes it does.
[06:08] <cyphase> eww.. the volume control looks like GTK 1 in hardy
[06:09] <T1m0thy> Oh crap.
[06:09] <T1m0thy> I think it installed the updates.
[06:09] <T1m0thy> Wish me luck.
[06:09] <akk> hmm, pccardctl insert doesn't cause anything to be printed in udevmonitor
[06:10] <akk> but the suspend/resume scripts in /etc/acpi call pccardctl insert -- maybe that explains why they don't work either
[06:12] <DanaG> akk: try installing ifplugd.
[06:12] <T1m0thy> Well.. the internet still works so far..
[06:12] <DanaG> Oh, and inserting the card should load the driver automatically; no need for pccardctl insert.
[06:14] <T1m0thy> Is "current dist not found in meta-release file" bad?
[06:14] <akk> DanaG: ifplugd if I just run it with no args (says it defaults to eth0) doesn't change anything, ifup still isn't run
[06:14] <akk> DanaG: Is there something specific I should try besides just running it?
[06:15] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-reconfigure ifplugd
[06:15] <DanaG> to get the hotplug question.
[06:15] <akk> DanaG: pccardctl insert is called from resume.sh, so that the network will be restarted after a suspend (except that it doesn't work since ifup isn't actually called)
[06:16] <heydabop> In Hardware Drivers, the restricted driver "nvidia_new" is enabled, but not in use. How do I put it to use?
[06:18] <akk> DanaG: I left the first question blank and said all to the second, and that doesn't help
[06:18] <DanaG> Odd.
[06:19] <akk> DanaG: now I'll try again answering auto to the first question (the one that says "don't use this one for pcmcia", in case they mean "but do use it for cardbus")
[06:19] <DanaG> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=334876
[06:19] <ubotu> Debian bug 334876 in ifplugd "ifplugd scripts relies on hotplug deprecated by udev" [Grave,Fixed]
[06:20] <DanaG> hmm.
[06:20] <akk> relying on hotplug would be bad, since hotplug hasn't existed in several releases
[06:20] <akk> nope, answering "eth0" to the first question doesn't make it work either
[06:20] <DanaG> Yeah, that's an old bug.
[06:20] <akk> btw, should ps aux | grep plug show it running? The init script says it's starting it but it doesn't show up in ps
[06:21] <akk> or maybe it's not running because of that bug, and it's just fundamentally broken
[06:21] <DanaG> hm, if you dpkg --listfiles ifplugd
[06:22] <DanaG> do you get stuff about udev?
[06:22] <DanaG> Try listing interfaces in the "hotplug" question manually.
[06:22] <akk> there's a /lib/udev/ifplugd.agent
[06:23] <DanaG> Maybe you need to restart the udev service?\
[06:23] <akk> oh, and a rules.d/ifplugd.rules
[06:24] <akk>  /etc/init.d/udev restart doesn't help
[06:24] <DanaG> Does udevmonitor do anything different if you manually unload the module and then remove the card... and then reinsert it?
[06:25] <akk> I can't unload the module -- non-modular kernel
[06:25] <DanaG> That's weird.
[06:26] <LibertyShadow> Is anyone getting an error updating besides me
[06:27] <akk> 2.6.22 (gutsy) and 2.6.24 (hardy) both have serious bugs that make them unusable for me, so I have to build my own kernel (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[06:28] <LibertyShadow> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61984/
[06:28] <LibertyShadow> I guess I'll just let the issue solve itself
[06:30] <T1m0thy> LibertyShadow, it worked for me through terminal, but
[06:30] <T1m0thy> I got the same thing through update-manager.
[06:31] <DanaG> I WANT OLD GDM BACK!
[06:31] <DanaG> The new washed-out theme makes me think it needs sunscreen.
[06:31] <T1m0thy> lol
[06:32] <T1m0thy> I don't really care.. but it was a lot different with the light part..
[06:32] <T1m0thy> I did like the old better.
[06:32] <T1m0thy> But I'm not going to change it.
[06:32] <DanaG> I hate the new one.
[06:33] <DanaG> It strikes me as OMGUGLY every time I see it.
[06:33] <LibertyShadow> T1m0thy, running in the terminal, no errors so far
[06:33] <T1m0thy> Cool.
[06:33] <LibertyShadow> Thanks
[06:33] <LibertyShadow> :D
[06:33] <T1m0thy> It is uglier, DanaG.
[06:33] <T1m0thy> No problem. :)
[06:33] <DanaG> OmGuGlY oMgUgLy.
[06:33] <DanaG> OGGYMUL?
[06:34] <DanaG> muloggy
[06:34] <DanaG> .
[06:34] <LibertyShadow> Wonder what the dist upgrade is all about
[06:34] <T1m0thy> Hyper? lol
[06:34] <LibertyShadow> is it a release candidate?
[06:34] <T1m0thy> Same, Liberty..
[06:34] <T1m0thy> No clue.
[06:34] <DanaG> I never install updates unless changelogs are available.
[06:34] <DanaG> A few exceptions: firefox updates, since I run the ppa repo.
[06:35] <LibertyShadow> beta 5 is out :D
[06:35] <DanaG> And hplip because it never ever ever ever ever shows changelogs in update-manager.
[06:35] <LibertyShadow> (firefox 3)
[06:35] <DanaG> ever.
[06:35] <DanaG> EVER!
[06:35] <HorizonXP> LibertyShadow: is the beta 5 package out?
[06:36] <DanaG> Yes, I've had some sugar.
[06:36] <T1m0thy> I don't think.
[06:36] <T1m0thy> You could do it yourself, but I would wait.
[06:36] <LibertyShadow> HorizonXP, not yet, I don't think
[06:37] <Ava-_> hey guys I run mythtv and have had a working setup for a long time.. ever since I updraded to hardy.. I see the modules still loading ok for my dvb card and I see the fw load for it in dmesg, but I get this..
[06:37] <Ava-_> [51824.822220] ivtv1: All encoder MPG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[06:37] <Ava-_> [51824.822228] ivtv1: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[06:37] <Ava-_> any ideas?
[06:38] <DanaG> What should I do to suggest returning to the previous theme revision?
[06:40] <T1m0thy> You could probably apply it yourself.. lol
[06:40] <T1m0thy> Couldn't you?
[06:41] <DanaG> Yeah, but it won't make it less ugly for others.
[06:41] <Killeroid> ahh, after four hours of updating and looking for a fix for my wireless not working, i just remembered that i still have the old kernel and so  booted up using the old kernel and i am enjoying my wifi. i really hope someone fixes the network manager(broadcom wireless bug) before hardy is relased
[06:41] <DanaG> And I think the uglyness will make a bad first impression.
[06:41] <T1m0thy> lol,
[06:41] <T1m0thy> True.
[06:44] <Ray_> Hi!
[06:46] <Ray_> I need a help regarding Upgrade of Hardy. I am running the Hardy Beta. The problem is when trying to install about 61 updates today, I am getting a message "Not all updates can be installed". The partial update option is also not working.
[06:46] <akk> any audio people? /usr/bin/play (from sox) can't play a .wav because: unknown file type `auto'
[06:47] <Ray_> It is saying could not calculate update.
[06:47] <Ayabara> how can I do a complete reinstall of firefox? I have messed things up so that I have to type "firefox.ubuntu" to start it, and when I download files it never let's me "open with application"
[06:47] <jbroome> akk: ran into that earlier today with an ogg
[06:47] <Ray_> Sorry, not update, it is upgrade. "Could not calculate the upgrade".
[06:48] <WGGMk> im having an issue with gfx-grub, and was wondering if anyone could shed some light on it. I have installed it (correctly I believe) but I get this one boot: "graphics file (message.xxxx) missing" to that effect
[06:49] <akk> jbroome: did you find a solution? or is it at least a known bug?
[06:49] <Zoiks> hey, has there been reports of ubuntu requiring a partial update which then fails
[06:50] <jbroome> akk: i just used audacity to play the ogg.  didn't poke into it further
[06:50] <akk> Is there any point in filing bugs on this stuff? It sounds like hardy is known to be still pretty broken and maybe filing bugs would be premature?
[06:50] <T1m0thy> Ray_: Use the command line.
[06:52] <Ray_> T1m0thy : Can you please help with the commands?
[06:52] <T1m0thy> Yeah..
[06:52] <T1m0thy> sudo apt-get update
[06:52] <T1m0thy> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:53] <T1m0thy> :)
[06:55] <Ray_> T1m0thy : Great, Thanks a million. I am now running the first one.
[06:56] <T1m0thy> No prob.
[06:58] <Killeroid> hmm..
[06:58] <Killeroid> is it only me or is hardy really buggy for an OS being released in less than a month? I dont recall any of the earlier releases being this buggy so close to release date
[07:01] <Ray_> Killeroid, I have no earlier experience of running Beta versions. But I chose to run 8.04 on my work PC only because I had enough confidence on Ubuntu.
[07:02] <Ray_> As of now personally I feel there are some issues but with so much of help from the community I have been able to go ahead and continue using Hardy.
[07:04] <Aval0n_> hey guys on hardy by default when you drag windows around, is there supposed to be an effect?
[07:05] <Aval0n_> cause my window stays solid, but appears to chop around
[07:05] <zcat[1]> Aval0n_: by default, no.. wobbly comes on if you choose advanced effects
[07:05] <Aval0n_> I'm used to the wobble/jello type effect feisty had with compiz
[07:05] <Aval0n_> where would I tick advance effects?
[07:06] <Aval0n_> beryl settings manager?
[07:06] <jbroome> system>prefrences>appearnce
[07:06] <Ray_> T1m0thy : I got this message for sudo apt-get update. "W: Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/source/Sources.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch"
[07:06] <zcat[1]> right-click on the desktop and select 'change wallpaper', then pick the visual effects tab
[07:06] <jbroome> ok, that's faster
[07:06] <T1m0thy> I don't know, Ray_. :\
[07:06] <Aval0n_> ty
[07:06] <T1m0thy> Sorry.
[07:06] <Aval0n_> "extra"
[07:06] <Aval0n_> is that what I want?
[07:06] <zcat[1]> yes
[07:07] <Ray_> No problem. I have tried the command again.
[07:07] <Ray_> This time it worked!
[07:07] <zcat[1]> well, what you really want is compizconfig-manager (or something like that)
[07:07] <Aval0n_> crap
[07:07] <Aval0n_> this user isn't a root user
[07:08] <Aval0n_> erm
[07:08] <Aval0n_> so would I enter my root pass instead of my normal user sudo password?
[07:09] <zcat[1]> I don't think sudo will accept it
[07:10] <Aval0n_> =/
[07:10] <Aval0n_> so hwo do regular non-root users set that setting?
[07:10] <Aval0n_> they don;t?
[07:10] <Aval0n_> :)
[07:10] <Ray_> T1m0thy : It's working now. I mean the dist-upgrade. Thank you so much.
[07:10] <T1m0thy> Awesome. No Problem.
[07:11] <zcat[1]> ordinary users should be able to change visual effects..
[07:11] <Aval0n_> odd
[07:11] <Aval0n_> I wonder why it;'s prompting for pass then
[07:11] <Aval0n_> brb
[07:12] <zcat[1]> Oh crap... I just switched to 'extra' and I think I've lost all the custom settings I had before :(
[07:12] <zcat[1]> but... it didn't ask for a sudo password
[07:12] <Aval0n_> lol
[07:12] <Aval0n_> it's working now
[07:12] <Aval0n_> but there is a huge bug
[07:13] <Aval0n_> if I start a window
[07:13] <Aval0n_> and maximize it
[07:13] <Aval0n_> I drag it down
[07:13] <Aval0n_> and then back up
[07:13] <Aval0n_> it bouces up and down at the upper right corner
[07:13] <Aval0n_> non-stop
[07:13] <Aval0n_> until I force-close it
[07:15] <Aval0n_> the snap-to feature is doing it I belive
[07:19] <ViperfangDotNet> How do I enable the new MTP support in hardy?
[07:20] <Killeroid> ViperfangDotNet: install libmtp7
[07:20] <ViperfangDotNet> I have done, but it is still not automounted as I expected it would be
[07:21] <Killeroid> what is not automounted?
[07:21] <ViperfangDotNet> Creative Zen Vision:M
[07:21] <ViperfangDotNet> 30Gb
[07:22] <ViperfangDotNet> I know it is supported
[07:22] <Killeroid> ViperfangDotNet: add relevant details to fstab
[07:22] <ViperfangDotNet> What would I add for an MTP device?
[07:25] <Killeroid> http://gnomad2.sourceforge.net/ seems to have support for it
[07:26] <ViperfangDotNet> Libmtp handles it better, I can see the video folder etc, but I cant get it to work on my system
[07:28] <ViperfangDotNet> Hmm... work on it tonight
[07:28] <ViperfangDotNet> bye!
[07:29] <DragonLarma> hello
[08:09] <jaffarkelshac> hello
[08:10] <cpk1> should it be relatively easy to install kde4 from a server install (ie. just do aptitude install kde4)?
[08:11] <jaffarkelshac> does anyone here use the seahorse pgp software
[08:11] <mvo> cpk1: I think its kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[08:11] <bluecake> where is the config file for tac_plus, pstree says it's running
[08:19] <jaffarkelshac> hey ppl, i am trying to listen to an online fm station, it works with windows media player and now i am stuck
[08:25] <h3sp4wn> jaffarkelshac: Use mplayer
[08:27] <jaffarkelshac> installing right now, i hope it works
[08:28] <jaffarkelshac> how do i change the the plugin that the web uses
[08:35] <checkers> are the new updates out now for ubuntu+1 working with restricted modules?
[08:36] <checkers> specifically with ati
[08:39] <jaffarkelshac> h3sp4wn, finally working, had to download some codecs
[08:43] <macogw> found out what was wrong with my gdm
[08:43] <macogw> bug #210538
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210538 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "gdm hangs after theme upgrade and reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210538
[08:44] <macogw> a config file was renamed and so it kept looking for the old one and went into an infinite loop "didnt find the file. check again. did it appear? no, check again.  is it there? no, check again. is it there? no, check again..."
[08:45] <pen> why amarok can't play music after I open firefox with flash site on?
[08:45] <jaffarkelshac> whats with ubuntu that does not let me play 2 sound files at the same time
[08:50] <checkers> answer: yes it does
[08:50] <checkers> restricted modules loads now
[08:50] <macogw> pen: you dont have libflashsupport installed
[08:51] <pen> macogw: I had that installed
[08:51] <ty> Hi getting error when trying to update, Not all updates can be installed - Run a partial upgrade to install as many as poaaible
[08:51] <macogw> jaffarkelshac: some sound drivers are kinda bleh and dont know how to mix sounds, so they just pick one or the other
[08:52] <macogw> pen: oh someone said earlier today that amarok uses xine...maybe if you switch it to gstreamer? it might not like pulseaudio
[08:52] <macogw> ty: thats fine. dont force it.
[08:52] <pen> macogw: how to make it use GStreamer?
[08:53] <macogw> ty: if you force it to install those kernels that dont have their dependencies satisfied, you'll get bigger errors
[08:53] <pen> macogw: I like amarok in music management and the artwork
[08:53] <macogw> pen: *shrug* i avoid most KDE everything
[08:53] <pen> macogw: hm
[08:53] <ty> macogw: i then get this error after click the partial upgrade, A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade
[08:53] <macogw> somebody said pulse and xine werent playing so nice
[08:53] <pen> macogw: but I'm just not used to exaile
[08:54] <pen> macogw: do you have any alternatives than amarok in your mind?
[08:54] <macogw> isnt exaile just like amarok? except gtk?
[08:54] <pen> macogw: no, they are totally different
[08:54] <macogw> exaile has themes for rearranging everything so you can grab a theme that arranges like amarok
[08:54] <macogw> i just use rhythmbox
[08:54] <pen> macogw: I even think that exaile looks like benshee in some aspect
[08:54] <pen> macogw: oh