[00:27] <kanliot> Please, i would like the team cloak for my team in launchpad that the bot mentioned.  i'm on the lubuntu team https://launchpad.net/~kanliot
[00:27] <Unit193> kanliot: See other channel, you'd have to go for an unaffiliated clo9ak.
[00:27] <kanliot> lol
[00:28] <kanliot> ok
[00:28] <Unit193> At this point.
[00:30] <EvilResistance> kanliot:  unless your team/group places a valid GRF-f for a channel here, you'd have to get an unaffiliated cloak.
[00:30] <EvilResistance> (here being freenode)
[00:31] <EvilResistance> its how i have an ubuntu secondary cloak (I'm an Ubuntu member) but also a cloak for my group/company (TrekWeb)
[00:31] <EvilResistance> unless the ubuntu cloaking policies change or smth.
[00:32] <Unit193> EvilResistance: Nope, it's still Ubuntu members getting it, or bots.
[00:32] <EvilResistance> that's what i thought
[00:32]  * EvilResistance would expect a change in Ubuntu cloaking policies to be reflected in the ubuntu-irc mailing list
[01:34] <benonsoftware> Hi
[01:35] <benonsoftware> We are setting up the #ubuntugeeksquad channel, however should we have - between each word?
[02:11] <benonsoftware> Could we please have ubot2 and if possible ubuntulog bots please
[02:12] <Unit193> Firstly, did you follow this while creating? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels Notice the "naming conventions" sections?
[02:12] <benonsoftware> Yes
[02:13] <benonsoftware> (Oops, sorry I forgot to note we moved the channel to #ubuntu-geeksquad)
[02:13] <Unit193> You would have to send an email for the log client.
[02:13] <benonsoftware> Okies, thanks Unit193
[02:14] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots has some good info, but as you know, I have no control over those bots or how channel naming goes.
[17:08] <Fuchs> LjL: buona sera, posso farti una domanda?
[17:09] <LjL> Fuchs: selbstverständlich
[17:10] <Fuchs> LjL: not meant as an offense, but you might know that: the !list problem, why is this (almost) only seen with italians?
[17:10] <Fuchs> LjL: was there some kind of missinformation in a kind of magazine or well known web forum or such?
[17:10] <StaffRingedSeal> I suspect it's the same reason why Finnish IRC mafia is so strong
[17:11] <LjL> Fuchs, i have no idea honestly, but it's happened for a long time, so if it was misinformation somewhere, it went on long... i think it's just that for some reason IRC warez are very popular in italy, but i wouldn't know
[17:11] <StaffRingedSeal> kids show/teach each other how to use an app and explain what the app is for
[17:11] <Fuchs> oh, okay
[17:11] <Fuchs> it's just sad that everytime someone with .it joins and writes ciao, my alarm bells ring :(
[17:11] <LjL> Fuchs: the italian operators didn't quite seem to realize that it was only italians doing that, when i mentioned it to them
[17:12] <LjL> Fuchs: it happens to some degree in their channel too, but it seemed like they assumed it was universal
[17:12] <ZarroBoogs> AlanBell posted this in #ubuntu-ops, and it seems that the problem is spread out on other channels/ircnets as well.: http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/2009/04/14/firefox-hangs-because-of-malware/
[17:12] <Mkaysi> Does !List problem mean that Supybot users wait for it to tell them list of available commands?
[17:12] <Fuchs> LjL: according to my grep and memories it unfortunately is, that's why I am asking
[17:12] <ZarroBoogs> The meat of that is in the comments btw.
[17:13] <ZarroBoogs> Mkaysi: in warez channels !list would give you a list of files available for dcc (download)
[17:13] <ZarroBoogs> I was a dumb kid once.
[17:13]  * Mkaysi has been at IRC little over year and hasn't ever seen such channel
[17:13] <ZarroBoogs> You won't see anything like that on freenode.
[17:13] <Mkaysi> s/commands/plugins/
[17:13] <Mkaysi> Try joining #supybot and saying !list :)
[17:14] <ZarroBoogs> I'm well aware of what it does for a supybot ;)
[17:14] <Mkaysi> :)
[17:14] <StaffRingedSeal> ah fresh blood
[17:15] <Fuchs> LjL: well, thanks anyway, e una bella serata  :)
[17:16] <LjL> ZarroBoogs: i'm not sure i understand what that link is saying honestly... basically that italians get infected by stuff because they download warez?
[17:16] <Mkaysi> Ok, now I have seen such bot
[17:17] <ZarroBoogs> LjL: The link sort of goes all over the place with *why* it happens. The information I got from it was that other people were having the issue with ciao -> !list
[17:18] <LjL> well it happens in several freenode channels, so no particular reason to think it was limited to freenode either
[17:18] <Fuchs> it definitely isn't (limited to freenode)
[17:18] <LjL> maybe it's just like someone mentioned, they search for channels (on any network, using ircsearch or whatever) that have many users, and somehow assume there's warez there
[17:22] <StaffRingedSeal> or don't assume, they just go in the big channels and issue the command just to see if someone replies
[17:22] <Fuchs> maybe I get the chance to ask one some day
[17:22] <AlanBell> I think this article and the two linked tutorials are the source of the problem http://www.mytechnology.eu/2008/05/23/guida-come-scaricare-da-mirc-e-lista-di-canali-e-servers-da-cui-scaricare/
[17:22] <StaffRingedSeal> I assume that if configured to that usecase, the client would automatically reply with a DCC'd list of downloadable files
[17:22] <Fuchs> unfortunately my italian skills are between nonexistant and horrible
[17:23] <bazhang> I can read
[17:23] <ZarroBoogs> Fuchs: I can only say ciao and !list
[17:23] <Fuchs> AlanBell: the article at least starts like that, telling users that IRC is a good source for such material, but it even lists networks (which are not us)
[17:23] <ZarroBoogs> Actually, I remember enough latin to get the gist of basic sentences.
[17:23] <Fuchs> bazhang: so do I, but that doesn't help :)
[17:24] <Fuchs> ZarroBoogs: yes, reading or listening to is not a big issue if I have some context, my french and spanish help there. But speaking / writing: no way
[17:24] <bazhang> Fuchs, getting warez? or stopping them
[17:24] <AlanBell> Fuchs: yeah, but it shows how to find all the channels on a network and freenode will be in the mirc list of networks
[17:24] <Fuchs> bazhang: talking to them :)
[17:24] <bazhang> hehe
[17:24] <AlanBell> and #ubuntu will be one of the biggest channels
[17:25] <StaffRingedSeal> http://tecnoblog.girlpower.it/p2p/come-scaricare-file-canale-irc-tutorial-parte-2
[17:25] <StaffRingedSeal> :-(
[17:25] <ZarroBoogs> The largest channel on the largest irc network.
[17:25] <StaffRingedSeal>  Per sapere che file hanno questi bot, bisogna digitare un comando universale per quasi tutti i canali che è il seguente !list
[17:26] <Mkaysi> [OT] What is "RingedSeal" in Finnish?
[17:26] <bazhang> this whole convo is ot
[17:26] <StaffRingedSeal> Harmaahylje or in my particular case Saimaannorppa
[17:26] <StaffRingedSeal> anyway
[17:26] <Mkaysi> Ok :)
[17:26] <Fuchs> bazhang: sorry, I saw the discussion earlier on and thought I might ask
[17:38]  * AlanBell throws StaffRingedSeal a herring
[18:00] <Tm_T> extremetuxracer?
[19:39] <Mkays|> I used to like it


[08:04] <Riddell> morning
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:31] <shadeslayer> Ok, I'm going to get cracking on the RC
[12:32]  * shadeslayer looks at debfx's automation stuff
[12:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: do you know which ppa has a reasonably stable, but reasonably recent version of Calligra?
[12:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: he threw bits into kubuntu-ninjas but had to wait for it to be in the rightorder
[12:35] <Riddell> jussi: see kubuntu.org
[12:35] <jussi> Riddell: thanks
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I don't see anything related to 4.8.97 in the ninjas ppa
[12:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm thinking we should just diverge from debian and drop the kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.8.90) stuff in favour of versioned depends on kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.8)
[12:36] <jussi> Riddell: ahh thanks...
[12:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why?
[12:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that would mean it can just be thrown into the PPA without worrying about the build order, launchpad should work out the build order
[12:37] <shadeslayer> really? :O
[12:37] <shadeslayer> why can't it do it right now?
[12:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: because launchpad's way of working out when to rebuild isn't as complete as debian's
[12:37] <Riddell> there's a bug about it
[12:38] <Riddell> but if you upload kde4libs and a kdegames using kde-sc-dev-latest you'll need to retry kdegames after kde4libs is done
[12:38] <Riddell> which you wouldn't if we just did simple kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.8.90)
[12:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: oh and let me know if you need an ec2
[12:39] <shadeslayer> nah, have a VPS now :P
[12:39] <shadeslayer> will poke if I happen to run out of memory
[12:40] <Riddell> VPS?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Virtual Private server :)
[12:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you hired one from somewhere?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> yeah, 15 USD for a year
[12:42] <shadeslayer> just about enough for building stuff like KDE Telepathy and smaller packages
[12:42] <shadeslayer> need to script kde telepathy packages though
[12:42]  * shadeslayer adds to TODO
[12:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping me when you're about
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I was thinking of writing a python script that queries launchpad for build state of KDE SC packages, then if they're in a build wait state, and if the build dep was alredy built, it retries the build
[12:45] <shadeslayer> the latter part is already done
[12:45] <shadeslayer> the 'monitor' bit needs work
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that seems r
[12:46] <shadeslayer> r? :P
[12:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that seems pretty faffy compared to just working with launchpad and doing versioned build-depends like it expects
[12:46] <debfx> shadeslayer: that's already implemented in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation/view/head:/kubuntu-retry-builds
[12:46] <shadeslayer> oh ... awesome
[12:47] <shadeslayer> I'm not fond of the idea of diverging from debian .....
[12:47] <shadeslayer> even though we change a couple of lines, merging stuff from debian later on becomes iffy because of a larger diff
[12:48] <debfx> ideally someone would just fix that launchpad bug :P
[12:48] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:48] <shadeslayer> can you point me to the bug?
[12:48] <yofel_> we're talking about build-deps here, we have to merge that anyway - and you wouldn't have to worry about merging kde-sc-dev-latest anymore
[12:48] <shadeslayer> I'm don't exactly understand what the problem is ...
[12:49] <yofel> shadeslayer: builds failing instead of being put into dep-wait
[12:49] <shadeslayer> because it finds that kde-sc-dev-latest was built but kdelibs5-dev wasn't
[12:49] <yofel> as launchpad ignores the Breaks from kde-sc-dev-latest
[12:49] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:50] <yofel> I once tried to do that, but back then it wasn't scripted and too much work, if you just put that in a script I would prefer using versioned depends over kde-sc-dev-latest
[13:18] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:18] <shadeslayer_> something is horribly broken between my router and my modem it seems
[13:18] <shadeslayer> anyway, drop kde-sc-dev-latest then?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> in favor of versioned build depends on kdelibs5-dev
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ( will need modifications in debfx's scripts as well then )
[13:20] <debfx> there's not only kde4libs5-dev
[13:21] <Riddell> dropping kde-sc-dev-latest gets my vote
[13:22] <Riddell> but yes it'll need everything else in kde-sc-dev-latest used by the source package as a versioned build-depened for all the packages
[13:22] <shadeslayer> right
[13:27] <shadeslayer> seems like alot of work .... ah well ..
[13:29] <debfx> the code to bump the kde-sc-dev-latest build-dep version is already there
[13:29] <debfx> so it's mostly a matter of keeping the package list synchronized with kde-sc-dev-latest
[13:31] <shadeslayer> *nod* but I'll have to version unversioned build depends, add kdelibs5-dev etc to most packages right?
[13:32] <Riddell> yes, for the kde sc packages
[13:33] <shadeslayer> yeah, so the initial work that needs to be done is quite alot :P
[13:33] <ScottK> If you're trying to get to build-dep instead of failed, dropping kde-sc-dev-latest won't help much.
[13:34] <Riddell> ScottK: why not?
[13:34] <ScottK> Because the first time another build-dep is uninstallable on a slow arch, if fails.
[13:35] <ScottK> Think of ~everything that depends on pimlibs for example.
[13:36] <ScottK> You'd have to drop kde-sc-dev-lastest and do the trick I used to do of uploading the packages backwards to do it.
[13:36] <ScottK> Once a package is in depwait, it'll go back to it.  The trick is getting it there first.
[13:37] <yofel> shouldn't it be put into dep-wait with the versioned build-deps?
[13:40] <ScottK> If the necessary version is not available, it'll depwait.  If the dependency is not installable, it'll FTBFS.
[13:40] <ScottK> That's why the reverse upload trick works.
[13:40] <debfx> ScottK: why would kdepimlibs be uninstallable after it built?
[13:40] <ScottK> debfx: It'll be built on some archs and not others.
[13:41] <ScottK> Maybe we changed enough -dev packages to arch any it's not such a big deal anymore.
[13:41] <debfx> afaik all -dev packages are arch:any
[13:42] <Riddell> -dev packages should always be arch any, header files can differ between arches
[13:42] <debfx> it could only be a problem if a library has a strict dependencies on a data package that is arch:all
[13:42]  * Riddell uploads some test stuff to ~jr ppa to see
[13:44] <debfx> e.g. libkdeedu-dev
[13:55] <Riddell> successful dep waot
[13:55] <Riddell> dep wait https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa/+build/3676000
[14:15] <shadeslayer> hmm ...
[14:19] <highvoltage> Darkwing: hey there, are you around?
[15:26] <Riddell> hmm well it doesn't magically retry the package https://launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa/+build/3675999
[15:26] <Riddell> I find that most strange
[15:26] <micahg> hrm, there's no ${calligra:Enhances} in calligra-l10n...I'm wondering if I should just demote to suggests for alpha3 and fix the enhances later
[15:27] <Riddell> micahg: yeah that's fine too
[15:34] <Riddell> ScottK: csync-owncloud and owncloud-client in New should you be in the mood
[15:35] <ScottK> OK.
[15:38] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1022479] bzr crashed with SIGSEGV in QGtkStyle::drawComplexControl() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1022479 (by Logan Rosen)
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you retry kdepimlibs manually?
[15:55] <Riddell> on i386 yes
[15:55] <Riddell> not on amd64
[15:55] <shadeslayer> ok, amd64 seems to have started
[15:55] <Riddell> ooh it's started
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:55] <Riddell> ok so just launchpad being slow
[15:56] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so, shall we start switching deps?
[15:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it still has my preference
[15:59] <ScottK> I'd try one with the arch all -common package first.
[15:59] <ScottK> txwikinger is in Canada.  He should just go make infinity implement the BD-Uninstallable state in soyuz.
[15:59] <ScottK> That's be easiest.
[16:00] <ScottK> Well, for everyone except txwikinger.
[16:04] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:07] <ScottK> I just gave infinity a ping.
[17:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1028039] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028039 (by dragan juric)
[18:14] <micahg> \o/, no longer getting calligra on upgrade without kubuntu-desktop/calligra previously installed
[18:40] <Riddell> thanks micahg
[19:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1013868] Crashes at any attempt to open a file @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013868 (by Thomas Malenfant)
[20:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ping
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I could use a AWS instance about now
[20:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hi
[20:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what sort?
[20:14] <Riddell> 32 or 64?
[20:14] <Riddell> precise or quantal?
[20:14] <shadeslayer> quantal, preferably on SSD
[20:14] <Riddell> mm I've no idea if they do SSD
[20:15] <shadeslayer> iirc they introduced new options
[20:15] <Riddell> "High I/O Quadruple Extra Large Instance"
[20:15] <Riddell> sounds expensive
[20:16] <shadeslayer> gah
[20:16] <shadeslayer> meh, leave it then
[20:16] <shadeslayer> The I/O time is not worth it
[20:19]  * shadeslayer will get more resources on his VPS when stock is available
[20:21] <Riddell> $3.10 an hour, will get very expensive very quickly
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ouch
[20:21] <shadeslayer> not worth it then
[20:22] <Riddell> lots at $0.08 an hour would be preferable :)
[20:22] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:57] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1028039] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4.1 failed to install/upgrade: short read on buffer copy ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028039 (by dragan juric)
[22:35] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1028163] plasma-desktop crashed with SIGSEGV when changing battery monitor settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028163 (by johannes)


[00:24] <xubuntu606> hello
[00:39] <ickefes> hi guys. somehow the power button and date section in panel 0 isn't located to the right on my computer and I can't seem to find where to configure that placement. anyone have a idea?
[00:39] <ickefes> it is really annoying.
[00:40] <TheMaster> What version of xfce?  You may need a seperator, and you should be able to right click > move.
[00:41] <ickefes> i am trying out 4.10
[00:41] <TheMaster> Yep, it happens.
[00:41] <ickefes> it is a problem in version 4.10?
[00:42] <drc> ah...there appears to be a problem with spacing on 4.10. Try the "expand" option on the items on the panel (I'm not using 4.10 ATM, but I think that's what it's called.
[00:42] <ickefes> i have tried to move in but it does not allow me to move it to the far right
[00:42] <TheMaster> Nope, just what happens when you try that ppa in precise.
[00:43] <ickefes> drc: THANK YOU. The expand option fixed it!
[00:43] <ickefes> TheMaster: Ok. Too bad though.
[00:44] <laiv> Hi all, I just installed xubuntu, does it install a gui on its own or do I have to do that? all I have is terminal, and there were some issues with the install but I think that its good and was just due to not being connected to a network?
[00:45] <drc> laiv: if you don't gave a gui by default, something <did> go wrong with your install.
[00:46] <drc> Personally, I'd just re-install...it'd be quicker than trying to troubleshoot and fix whatever it was.
[00:46] <TheMaster> Could try to install xubuntu-desktop.
[00:47] <drc> TheMaster: True, but who knows what else went wrong...safer to nuke it from space :)
[00:47] <TheMaster> drc: Yep, that too.
[00:48] <laiv> :/
[01:45] <xubuntu276> hello, im new so i have a question, I have a 64bits Pc with 8gb of ram, wich version of xubuntu should I download 32 bits or 64bits? can I install 32bits also?
[01:46] <SkippersBoss> 64 bits would be advisable to make use of all your RAM
[01:47] <drc> Use the 64 bit.
[01:47] <TheMaster> Could use PAE with 32, but 64 should be good.
[01:48] <drc> Doesn't 12.04 use a non-pae by default?
[01:48] <TheMaster> Don't think in Xubu, but .10 does.
[01:49] <drc> The i386 images use a non-PAE kernel. The non-PAE kernel will not be available in future Xubuntu releases.
[01:49] <drc> From http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[01:50] <TheMaster> drc: Whoops, I read PAE rather than non-pae, sorry.  You can still install it.
[01:50] <drc> True :)
[01:50] <drc> But why?
[01:51] <xubuntu276> ok, thanks guys
[01:51] <xubuntu276> :D
[01:51] <SkippersBoss> glad to have you back Unit
[01:51] <Unit193> drc: Not all hardware supports PAE, so the hope was to support more for one cycle.
[01:51] <drc> Which reminds me, is 12.10 i386 going to be PAE or non-PAE?
[01:52] <Unit193> PAE, non-PAE won't be in repo.
[01:52] <Unit193> SkippersBoss: Heh, danke.
[01:52] <SkippersBoss> Bitte sehr
[01:57] <drc> Unit193: An LTS cycle?
[02:00] <Unit193> drc: Sorry?
[02:01] <SkippersBoss> for 12.04 yes
[02:01] <drc> " the hope was to support more for one cycle"
[02:01] <Unit193> One more cycle, the LTS one.
[02:06] <drc> Then the decision makes sense :)
[02:07] <drc> I <was> wondering, but not enough to ask...until the opportunity presented itself
[02:08] <Unit193> grep pae /proc/cpuinfo    to see if you'll be good.
[02:09] <drc> Oh, I'm good, I run the 64 bit, I was just wondering.
[02:13] <drc> Although I should pretend otherwise and tell my wife a need a new laptop :)
[03:32] <craigbass1976> I have two panels I like on my computer.  How hard woudl it be to copy them both to another xub box?
[03:34] <craigbass1976> is there something in .config/xfce that I can just copy over?
[03:34] <Unit193> Try just copying .config/xfce4/panel/ over
[03:35] <craigbass1976> Unit193, would it matter that I'm on a computer logged in as craig, and the account on the other one is called doug?  and victoria?  I'm setting up a new box and the panels as I have them were a pain to set up initially...
[03:37] <Unit193> Would you also need .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml?
[03:37] <Unit193> I'd try without first, and shouldn't matter, as long as you put it in the right location.
[03:39] <drc> Unit193: Looks like that would probably be helpful...yup the more I look at it, the more I'm convinced you need it
[03:40] <Unit193> Sure, but that is placed there by xfconfd and if you remove the panel dir all settings are defaulted.
[03:40] <craigbass1976> Unit193, Yep, that didn't work...
[03:40] <drc> It's got all my plugins listed
[03:41] <Unit193> Same.
[03:41] <drc> Unit193: But he doesn't <want> the defaults :)
[03:42] <Unit193> I understand, reverse the thought process and you have that panel dir should be what you need to copy.
[03:42] <drc> craigbass1976: Did you use both, the panel dir and the xml file?
[03:43] <craigbass1976> drc, I'm about to copy over the xml
[03:43] <drc> Unit193: damn...logic...why didn't I think of that
[03:45] <Unit193> Don't know, maybe it's failed logic.
[03:49] <craigbass1976> I'm all good.  Thanks folks.
[03:49] <drc> great...enjoy
[03:49] <craigbass1976> Why is it such a pain to get launchers and stuff on the panels to begin with, or am I just being retarded?
[03:50] <drc> craigbass1976: dunno, I don;t have any problems, it takes time but not much effort (if you already know what you want)
[03:51] <drc> but then I don't use the bottom panel, so....
[03:51] <craigbass1976> drc, It's just the time I guess and number of mouse clicks.  Once it's set up, I'm golden.  I like the bottom for workspace switcher and window buttons, kind of like GNOME 1 and 2
[03:53] <drc> Well, I've just saves ~/.config/xfce4 to my config file USB stick, so it should be even easier next time :)
[03:53] <craigbass1976> drc, aye.  Thanks again.
[03:53] <drc> np
[03:53] <Unit193> Great.
[03:53] <drc> it was mainly Unit193
[03:53] <Unit193> Meh.
[03:56] <drc> If he thought it was hard now, he should have tried with 4.6 :)
[05:13] <NetbootXubu> Hi anyone there?
[05:14] <bazhang> yes
[05:14] <NetbootXubu> Im trying to install Xubuntu on a diskless computer
[05:14] <NetbootXubu> Could you help me..?
[05:19] <Evil1888> Anyone know how to control fan speeds with Xubuntu 12.04 LTS on a HP Paviliion dv5000 (dv5115nr to be exact)? It turns on by itself  and run fine when it gets hot enough but I'd like to control it some so it can run cool most of the time.
[05:20] <NetbootXubu> Anyone who knows how netboot xubuntu?
[05:25] <Evil1888> NetbootXubu: I have no idea but a little googling: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server_and_network_installations that can't be too far off from Xubuntu
[09:28] <Guest54225> Does anybody know if I can install Xubuntu over Ubuntu 12.04??
[09:28] <Unit193> !purexfce
[09:28] <Unit193> That style?
[09:29] <Guest54225> great I've seen that - it's just that I've had an issue with USB modem hardware switch and the machine is getting old and I thought it might run better
[10:04] <Ascavasaion> Hello there.  I recently upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 to 11.04.  I now have that dreadful Unity desktop.  Can someone here explain to me how to get rid of Unity?  I am currently doing an sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop   Will that do the trick?
[10:06] <Unit193> Nope.
[10:06] <Unit193> !purexfce
[10:07] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Will I still be able to run LibreOffice, firefox, etc.?
[10:08] <Unit193> Firefox comes by default, and if libreoffice doesn't work, should have told me an hour ago when I was using it. ;)  (So, yes.
[10:08] <Unit193> )
[10:08] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Awesome!  thank you.
[10:08] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[10:09] <Ascavasaion> This Unity is killing my old laptop: Centrino Dualcore, 2Gb RAM.
[10:12] <Ascavasaion> E: Unable to locate package libstlport4.6ldbl
[10:12] <Ascavasaion> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'libstlport4.6ldbl'
[10:12] <well_laid_lawn> !find libstlport4
[10:13] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: I get the above when I do http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfcenatty
[10:17] <Ascavasaion> bleh
[10:28] <Ascavasaion> Well then... sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop it is :)
[12:03] <no-n> I'm running xubuntu 12.04 and thunar keeps crashing... especially when I try to do stuff in Trash
[12:04] <no-n> I haven4't read all the crash reports so far, but a couple of them said blueman-applet
[12:04] <no-n> another weird thing is all my trash items have the padlock on the icon
[12:05] <no-n> 'I also get "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." and "something something Transport endpoint is not connected"
[12:16] <well_laid_lawn> no-n: start thunar from a terminal and check for any error messages when it crashes
[12:55] <bhankins> I hope WindowMaker makes a big comeback someday.
[12:57] <no-n> i3 is good :))
[12:57] <no-n> oh, btw, I seem to have solved my problem by removing blueman
[12:57] <no-n> xubuntu's crash report was mentioning it every time
[12:59] <bhankins> Did you submit the crash report?
[13:01] <bhankins> xubuntu really needs to release a 12.04.1 livecd with the current updates. I had a terrible time installing on this dell xps.
[13:02] <bhankins> acpi problems and nvidia driver problems, all solved in updates.
[13:02] <GridCube> bhankins, 12.04.1 realese schudle is this week
[13:03] <bhankins> Oh sweet, I maybe should havee waited.
[13:04] <GridCube> atually, today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule
[13:04] <bhankins> Aww man, that really rubs it in.
[13:04] <bhankins> I'm never buying another dell though.
[13:05] <bhankins> I shouldn't say that. In the foreseeable future.
[13:05] <GridCube> i call it lucks, sometime you have bad luck
[13:07] <bhankins> I had not used XFCE since 2002, it's really come a long way. We used to not have desktop icons.
[13:09] <GridCube> hehehe
[13:09] <GridCube> yeah i remember that :P
[13:09] <GridCube> and two sides file browsers with [+] expandable trees all the way
[13:17] <TheSheep> xtree gold!
[13:18]  * TheSheep still doesn't have desktop icons
[13:22] <bhankins> I kind of liked the midnight commander interface.
[13:35] <n2diy> Cosmos episode 10 is a mind bender.
[13:35] <TheSheep> cosmos 1999?
[13:35] <n2diy> 1980
[13:36] <TheSheep> ahm it was space 1999
[13:37] <TheSheep> anyways, #xubuntu-offtopic
[13:39] <n2diy> Actually, it's on topic, I've been trying to get flash working here, and Cosmos was my target. Gridcube, and others were helping me yesterday, but I guess he isn't paying attention?
[13:40] <GridCube> o:
[13:40] <GridCube> does flash works now n2diy ?
[13:43] <n2diy> GridCube,  I have a third box here that I use for weekly backups, so essentially it is a virgin install of 12.04. Last night I loaded VLC media player on it, and watched Cosmos 10 on youtube. So, yes I did. Wrong box, but it proves the network isn't the issue.
[13:46] <n2diy> GridCube, but I couldn't watch Ep. 8 or 9, so I'm guessing I'm missing some codecs or something?
[13:47] <GridCube> mmhm i see, again i would try to figure out why your video drivers dont work
[13:48] <GridCube> if you have xubuntu-restricted-extras you have all the drivers you could need
[13:48] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, I was planning on re-installing 12.04 on the test box, and starting fresh. I have a pile of vid. cards somewhere, so I could change that before the install.
[13:48] <GridCube> :) that would probably help
[13:49] <GridCube> if you have nvidias thats better, i havent had many problems with them
[13:50] <n2diy> The problem card is a NVIDIA! But it needs changing anyway. Let me grab some coffee, and walk the dog, find the cards...
[13:51] <GridCube> :)
[13:54] <xubuntu509> Hello Guys. Is here any Autoinstaller which can install Jave Jre7. I need to run Mc Server with Xubuntu.
[13:55] <bazhang> !java | xubuntu509 have a read
[13:55] <xubuntu509> Ok. Thank you!
[14:13] <cydro> Hello?
[14:18] <ochosi> Hello?
[14:39] <Marzata> ubu 12.04 has support for 5 yrs, xubu 12.04 for 3 yrs, right?
[14:39] <Marzata> if you install ubu 12.04 and add xfce4 or lxde what the support time will be?
[14:44] <holstein> Marzata: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[14:44] <holstein> you can look and and think about what is going to be supported for 5 years... the kernel for example
[14:44] <holstein> all the ubuntu specific stuff, and the server stuff.. all the security updates
[14:45] <holstein> whats not going to be supported for 5 years? the xubuntu specific stuff.. this xubuntu session.. the security updates (if any) to the xubuntu 12.04 version of XFCE
[14:46] <Marzata> is there a way to see what are the xubu 12.04 packages which will be supported only for 3 yrs?
[14:46] <holstein> Marzata: sure.. *all* of them will only be supported for 3 years
[14:47] <holstein> Marzata: anything xubuntu specific will not be supported for 5 years.. only the stuff that needs be supported for 5 years
[14:47] <holstein> would that be a deal breaker for me? no...
[14:47] <Marzata> xfce is not ubuntu specific, right?
[14:48] <GridCube> no
[14:48] <Vlad176> Anyone know if Linux/ Xubuntu is compatible with AMD ati RS482 graphic card? My monitor gets vertical lines when it suddenly freezes.
[14:48] <Marzata> oh, I meant xubuntu specific
[14:48] <Marzata> dunno, а другой монитор нет?
[14:48] <holstein> Marzata: not necesarily, but there will be no reason for ubuntu/cannonical to keep XFCE up to date in the repos, and the xubuntu team is guarnateeing 3 years
[14:49] <Vlad176> Don't speak Russian that much.
[14:50] <Marzata> so ubuntu + xfce4 will be 5 years, xubuntu specific just 3
[14:50] <GridCube> Marzata, check this: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/xubuntu-desktop
[14:50] <holstein> Vlad176: i would try a different driver.. the vesa driver is a good way to test... sometimes i just fire up a puppy live CD since there is an easy GUI at boot for choosing the vesa driver... if all is well, i grab the xorg.conf and put it in buntu
[14:50] <GridCube> this are all the contents of the xubuntu-desktop metapackage Marzata, thats the stuff xubuntu needs to work
[14:51] <Marzata> GridCube: ah, thanks! so, those are with 3 years support.
[14:51] <holstein> Marzata: there will be no reason for XFCE to be "kept up to date" by canonnical..
[14:51] <Marzata> holstein: yes, that is clear
[14:52] <GridCube> Marzata, xubuntu team will try to keep them all up to date for 3 years, but they are not made by them, they will just try to make them work
[14:53] <holstein> Marzata: cool... so for the record, ubuntu + xfce4 will *not* be for 5 years
[14:53] <Vlad176> Dude, I've never tried to change anything with my hardware. I didn't have any problems with Ubuntu. I recently switched to Linux. I had this same hardware when using Vista and I had same problems with freezing up and stuff but such things were extremely rare. Like.. couple times a year
[14:53] <Marzata> GridCube: yes, still very big effort for the xubu team
[14:53] <holstein> Vlad176: you might want to test the hardware then to makes sure its not something motherboard related... xubuntu *is* ubuntu, and its likely that the newer kernels have "dropped" support for your hardware
[14:54] <holstein> Vlad176: i usually isolate the hardware from the driver issues by using a live CD with the vesa driver or safe graphics mode..
[15:21] <craigbass1976> I'm trying to use UNetbootin with a xubuntu iso.  I guess a gig isn't going to cut it.  Is there a pared down xub image I can get that will fit on this thumb drive?  I'm out of CDs, and this is the biggest thumb drive I've got.
[15:23] <GridCube> craigbass1976, all xubuntu isos are under 700mb
[15:23] <GridCube> they fit on 1gb thumbdrives
[15:24] <craigbass1976> GridCube, the iso itself does, but I'm trying to make it bootable.  I'VE FOUND A CONVERT!!!!  Anyway, I'm out of cds and trying ot get xubuntu on their laptop today.
[15:24] <GridCube> craigbass1976, unetbooting makes it booteable
[15:25] <GridCube> :/ and only takes 700mb
[15:39] <Troy^> hey guys i just installed docky how do i remove the original xubuntu dock
[15:40] <craigbass1976> GridCube, I copied the iso over though and the laptop booted right to windows.  I know you can burn an iso as an image on cd, or just copy it over, and didn't know if there were some similar issue here with the thumb drive
[15:42] <GridCube> craigbass1976, copying the iso its not the way to go
[15:42] <GridCube> you have to use a program like unetbootin to convert it into a booteable usb
[15:43] <GridCube> but it doesnt take more space than what it would as a livecd
[15:47] <craigbass1976> GridCube, http://static.inky.ws/image/2647/image.jpg  Does that look right?  I idd this before and hit OK, then ran out of space on a 1g drive that's showing empty before hand
[15:48] <GridCube> craigbass1976, sound fine
[15:49] <craigbass1976> GridCube, wait...    I have cruzer...
[15:49] <GridCube> format it using gparted craigbass1976
[15:49] <milne8204> I have a problem whit flash player anyone can help me ?
[15:50] <GridCube> !details | milne8204
[15:52] <milne8204> I have a problem whit flash player anyone can help me ? I am running Xubuntu 12.04 When I try to open a video in Internet, it does not start at all.
[15:52] <GridCube> that sounds awfully familiar to n2diy problem with flash
[15:53] <GridCube> milne8204, its a fresh install?
[15:53] <GridCube> did it work earlier?
[15:53] <SkippersBoss> milne8204, what link ArE you trying to open
[15:53] <GridCube> do you have your proper video drivers?
[15:53] <milne8204> SkippersBoss, any video in internet
[15:54] <recon_lap> milne8204: how did you install flash?
[15:54] <craigbass1976> GridCube, Well, that was a bit on the retarded side.  I wonder why things don't just erase on those cruzer drives
[15:54] <GridCube> milne8204, do you have other problems with flash? do games play?
[15:54] <Fizzik> hmm, how do i get rid of the xfce dock i have docky installed
[15:54] <milne8204> GridCube, I have base driver for my video card because it is very old :D
[15:54] <Fizzik> and now they are both present
[15:54] <milne8204> GridCube, game does not start to
[15:54] <GridCube> craigbass1976, becase people make mistakes and having a trash folder is helpful
[15:54] <milne8204> too*
[15:55] <GridCube> milne8204, have you installed the xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:55] <GridCube> ?
[15:55] <milne8204> GridCube, several times :D
[15:56] <craigbass1976> No, I remember emptying the trash with that drive over the course of a year or so, and saw some of the things in the ttrash were from farther back than that.  It didn't empty
[15:56] <milne8204> xubuntu-restricted-extras is already the newest version.
[15:56] <recon_lap> milne8204: what browser are you using?
[15:57] <milne8204> recon_lap, firefox
[15:58] <milne8204> recon_lap, but have google-chrome and says that flash is aut of date
[15:58] <recon_lap> milne8204: have a look in firefox plugin's and see if it lists flash
[15:59] <milne8204> recon_lap, ok will check
[16:01] <milne8204> recon_lap, I have shocable flas from gnash
[16:01] <milne8204> shockwave*
[16:01] <milne8204> flash*
[16:01] <recon_lap> gnash?
[16:02] <milne8204> yes
[16:03] <recon_lap> ok, look it up, it's the open source flash player
[16:04] <milne8204> I will reinstal slash player and remove gnash
[16:04] <milne8204> and will tell what hapends
[16:04] <milne8204> happens
[16:17] <milne8204> recon_lap, nothing happens
[16:19] <holstein> its good to have realistic expectations of the hardware.. i have an old eeepc900, and it doesnt do flash very well
[16:20] <holstein> sometimes i install the chrome browser, since it has its own flash integrated and i find that helpful for troubleshooting purposes
[16:20] <recon_lap> milne8204: goto  http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[16:21] <v1adimir> hey is this the PPA for TOR? https://launchpad.net/~ubun-tor/+archive/ppa
[16:21] <v1adimir> oh noes, 11.10 is the latest ver.
[16:21] <v1adimir> Oneiric*
[16:22] <recon_lap> milne8204: you get any response from that page?
[16:22] <milne8204> yes
[16:23] <milne8204> now what should I do ? :D
[16:23] <recon_lap> what version does it say?
[16:24] <recon_lap> should be a little box saying  "you have version <IP_ADDRESS>"
[16:25] <n2diy> GridCube, just finished the re-install with a different Vid. card, boots but no display! Trying another card.
[16:25] <milne8204> I do not see that sing
[16:26] <milne8204> i have a table whit different OS, and for Linux says <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:26] <holstein> milne8204: you can take a screenshot if you need help interpreting the data
[16:26] <milne8204> ok
[16:26] <genii-around> v1adimir: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tor shows the repository to use as "deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org precise main"
[16:28] <v1adimir> genii-around: thanks, but the repo version isn't 12.04 - I guess I will use the all-in-one download and just run it without 'installing' it; tnx.
[16:28] <recon_lap> anyway milne8204 , try reinstall using apt, "sudo apt-get -purge xubuntu-restricted-extras " , then " sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[16:28] <milne8204> ok will try recon_lap
[16:28] <genii-around> v1adimir: Please note the "precise" in the url I gave, which corresponds to 12.04
[16:28] <v1adimir> genii-around: ohh, gotcha
[16:29] <recon_lap> milne8204: before installing again , do this as well  "sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer "
[16:30] <recon_lap> milne8204: and no - before purge, opps
[16:30] <milne8204> ok
[16:31] <milne8204> recon_lap, ok thanks
[16:31] <recon_lap> is it working?
[16:31] <milne8204> i got it that no "-" necessary
[16:31] <milne8204> now will install
[16:32] <recon_lap> ok, fingers crossed, remember to close all browsers and start one before testing at that url
[16:32] <milne8204> should I restart browser ?
[16:32] <recon_lap> milne8204: yes
[16:34] <milne8204> now says that have not flash player
[16:35] <milne8204> recon_lap, it does not start
[16:36] <recon_lap> milne8204: ok, try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer , see if that helps
[16:38] <milne8204> no, same
[16:38] <milne8204> thing
[16:38] <Vlad433> How do I start in safe graphics mode?
[16:40] <holstein> Vlad433: i usually try a live CD such as puppy linux.. theres a nice GUI there to start with teh vesa driver... from the ubuntu live CD's you can tap shift while booting and try the F6 "nomodeset" option
[16:40] <recon_lap> milne8204: that page still saying you dont have FF installed?
[16:40] <recon_lap> flash*
[16:40] <Vlad433> And how do I sent a private message, holst?
[16:41] <milne8204> recon_lap, no the screen is white and do nothing : D
[16:42] <recon_lap> milne8204: just white at http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ ? nothing but white?
[16:42] <holstein> Vlad433: i might reference something like http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IRC/beginners.html
[16:42] <milne8204> ohh sorry i didnt understand :)
[16:44] <recon_lap> milne8204: it saying anything?
[16:44] <milne8204> http://imageshack.us/f/254/flashi.png/
[16:44] <milne8204> i made a screenshot
[16:46] <recon_lap> hmm, should show where that green line is
[16:47] <recon_lap> milne8204: try clicking on the green line, see if anything comes up.
[16:47] <milne8204> ok
[16:48] <milne8204> http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6933/flash2kv.png
[16:48] <milne8204> it is as a object
[16:48] <recon_lap> milne8204: and dont forget to close all browsers before each test
[16:49] <milne8204> i can resize whit my mouse, the same thing happens when I start a video in internet the screen have a green line in right side
[16:50] <milne8204> recon_lap, you mean to try again to reinstall all
[16:50] <recon_lap> milne8204: ok, you want to reinstall firefox?
[16:50] <recon_lap> milne8204: does it work in crome ?
[16:50] <milne8204> i have google-chrome but it does not work too
[16:51] <recon_lap> milne8204: it's possible you got some flash like program installed somewhere on your system thats interfering.
[16:52] <milne8204> gnash
[16:52] <milne8204> ?
[16:52] <recon_lap> milne8204: also check firefox addon and extensions to see what in there
[16:52] <milne8204> i have purge it
[16:53] <recon_lap> milne8204: you can get all sorts of odd flash installs, web pages offer to install it all the time
[16:53] <milne8204> ok what should I do ?
[16:54] <recon_lap> milne8204: look in firefox plugins to see in it say it's installed
[16:54] <recon_lap> in/if
[16:55] <milne8204> I have nop java instaled in my plugins
[16:55] <milne8204> just shockwave flash
[16:56] <recon_lap> milne8204: and in extensions  ? any flash blocker ?
[16:57] <milne8204> how to recognize a flash blocker ? :D
[16:58] <recon_lap> milne8204: generally the name is a clue :)
[16:59] <milne8204> I have extensions: Ubuntu Firefox Modification 2.2.1
[16:59] <milne8204> and Global menu bar integration
[16:59] <milne8204> I can disable bout
[16:59] <recon_lap> milne8204: all seems fine
[17:00] <holstein> milne8204: disable all for troubleshooting purposes..
[17:00] <recon_lap> milne8204: you mind purging firefox and reinstalling, you'll lose any bookmarks ect
[17:00] <milne8204> My PC is a mystery :D
[17:00] <milne8204> recon_lap, ok will reinstall but dont thin it will help
[17:01] <milne8204> I can reinstal xubuntu too ;D
[17:01] <recon_lap> milne8204: purge it, then install , then we will have to start looking at files :)
[17:01] <recon_lap> milne8204: lets not go there unless we have to :) this is not windows :)
[17:02] <milne8204> recon_lap, ok i own you :) you had lost a lot time whit me :)
[17:02] <milne8204> recon_lap, nice one :D
[17:03] <milne8204> should I delete a files in home directory ?
[17:03] <recon_lap> milne8204: no, purge should do it
[17:04] <milne8204> ok
[17:04] <milne8204> done
[17:04] <milne8204> the firefox is purged
[17:04] <milne8204> now
[17:04] <milne8204> ?
[17:05] <recon_lap> milne8204: install it again
[17:05] <Sysi> purge doesn't touch users files, just local settings
[17:06] <recon_lap> Sysi: good to know.
[17:07] <milne8204> ok installed
[17:07] <recon_lap> milne8204: goto http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ , and check your plugins
[17:08] <recon_lap> milne8204: dont forget to close any open firefox first
[17:09] <milne8204> how to go http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ whitdowt firefox
[17:09] <recon_lap> milne8204: did you reinstall it?
[17:10] <milne8204> yes
[17:11] <recon_lap> milne8204: ok, open a terminal and type firefox
[17:11] <milne8204> but all bootmarks are here :D
[17:12] <recon_lap> milne8204: your user profile was not deleted , hopefully should not matter, just test it
[17:13] <milne8204> nothing happens in testing page
[17:14] <milne8204> the green line is gone but everythig else is the same
[17:14] <recon_lap> milne8204: check plugins
[17:14] <milne8204> ok
[17:15] <milne8204> just shockwave flash
[17:16] <recon_lap> milne8204:  11.2 r202 version
[17:16] <recon_lap> milne8204: with a disable button ?
[17:16] <milne8204> 11.2r202
[17:17] <milne8204> yes
[17:17] <milne8204> whit disable button
[17:17] <recon_lap> milne8204: running out of ideas. something is interfering
[17:18] <milne8204> will reinstal xubuntu :Д
[17:18] <recon_lap> milne8204: you can play normal video on you system ?
[17:18] <milne8204> ъес
[17:18] <milne8204> yes
[17:20] <recon_lap> milne8204: well, how long since you install in the first place?
[18:44] <jotek> I want to speed-up my pc. What packet are not needed in Xubuntu?
[18:44] <jotek> packets*
[19:10] <Troy^> please somebody help me get rid of the default dock. I installed docky and they are now bother there
[19:10] <Troy^> now both there*
[19:11] <Sysi> you can remove bottom panel in panel settings
[19:12] <Troy^> oh found it thanks
[19:15] <milen8204> I have just installed Xubuntu 12.04 and updated all issues, now I can not run videos and games whit my flash player
[20:02] <craigbass1976> !log
[20:28] <Salah> Hi.
[20:29] <recon_lap> o/
[20:38] <Salah> I'm having a strange issue with logins and such. Can anyone help?
[20:42] <recon_lap> well, describe your issues , maybe someone can help
[20:45] <xubuntu192> salut tous le monde
[20:45] <xubuntu192> comment allez vous
[20:54] <recon_lap>  !es | xubuntu192
[20:55] <Salah> That's French, not Spanish. I think.
[20:55] <Salah> What language xubuntu192 is using, that is.
[20:55] <Salah> "Hi, everyone! How are you"
[20:55] <Salah> *?
[20:55] <recon_lap> !fr
[20:56] <Salah> So today I tried logging into my account. The screen just blacks out, says a few things then "Plymouth server disconnected," then returns me to the screen.
[20:56] <recon_lap> Salah: thx
[20:56] <Salah> Would anyone know what's going on in that case?
[20:56] <recon_lap> Salah: emm, what account?
[20:57] <Salah> My Xubuntu user account.
[20:58] <drc> Is this an old or new account (i.e., did it work yesterday?)
[20:58] <Salah> It worked yesterday. I haven't done anything that I can consider a trigger.
[20:59] <drc> no updates?
[21:00] <drc> and which version?
[21:00] <Salah> No. The other accounts work when I log in to them.
[21:00] <Salah> Xubuntu 12.04.
[21:00] <Salah> If I can decrypt my home folder from another account I wouldn't mind the issue as well.
[21:02] <recon_lap> Salah: so the home directory is  encrypted
[21:02] <Salah> Yes.
[21:03] <drc> I have no knowledge of encrypted home dirs, sorry
[21:03] <Salah> With the encryption service the Xubuntu installation requires.
[21:03] <drc> I avoid them like the plague
[21:04] <Salah> It's probably better to encrypt files and folders, not the entire home folder. For situations like this.
[21:07] <recon_lap> Salah: have you tried a tty1 login
[21:07] <Salah> What's that?
[21:08] <recon_lap> Salah: it's a text based login, I'll have to read up on it myself :)
[21:10] <Salah> I'll Google it.
[21:11] <Salah> I'll try to login as root. If that doesn't work, I'll post on the forums or so. Thanks for the help!
[21:14] <recon_lap> Salah: hard to find info, most people want to get out of a tty1 login, I'm just thinking thats it's a graphics issue as the account tries to load up. and there is no root in ubuntu
[21:14] <drc> He's gone, Jim
[21:24] <xubuntu050> ciao
[21:24] <xubuntu050> buona sera a tutta la chat
[21:25] <Elchzard> !es
[21:25] <Elchzard> or even
[21:25] <Elchzard> !it


[14:15] <tvoss> made grail green again, answered comments on omgubuntu and youtube, (self-)reviews, investigated test-failures for evemu
[14:16] <dandrader> investigating why I'm getting a half-second or so of silence (i.e. no events coming) at the beginning of a 4 fingers' gesture
[14:18] <bregma> making good progress on #944822
[14:19] <bregma> tvoss, it looks like eemu tests are failing because they require root privs
[14:19] <bregma> s/eemu/evemu/ not a large flughtless bird
[14:19] <tvoss> bregma, considered that as well, but apparently, the device /dev/input/event10 is not present in the vm's
[14:20] <tvoss> bregma, checked that the tests are executed with root privs
[14:20] <tvoss> bregma, do you know if it's okay to switch to /dev/input/event0, it's only a construction test for class Device
[14:20] <bregma> does the kernel in the VM not support the required functionality perhaps (would not be the first time)?
[14:21] <tvoss> bregma, in general, it does. All other tests do pass and all other projects relying on evemu use that functionality as well
[14:21] <cnd> I'm working on the last remaining bugs in unity gestures
[14:21] <cnd> and then any miscellaneous fixes I can manage across the stack
[14:22] <cnd> preparing some packages like xorg-server for the archive opening up tomorrow
[14:22] <cnd> bregma, tvoss: what's going wrong?
[14:23] <bregma> tvoss, yeah, it looks like event10 was chosen at random ny Duncan when he wrote the test, it can probably be changed to event0
[14:23] <bregma> cnd, there is an evemu test case that fails on a non-existent device
[14:23] <cnd> ahh
[14:23] <bregma> it's just a poorly constructed test case
[14:24] <cnd> that reminds me, we need to add device properties to evemu
[14:24] <cnd> I'll open a bug and maybe get to it today
[14:24] <tvoss> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/903964/
[14:24] <cnd> otherwise we won't be able to replicate buttonpad devices properly
[14:24] <bregma> I think that functionality will have to wait for Q
[14:25] <cnd> bregma, we can apply it to trunk and ask people to use our ppa when necessary
[14:26] <bregma> sure, no problem, but we should probably consider the released version of evemu frozed:  I should branch the packaging today
[14:26] <bregma> um, frozed was a typo but I like that word, I think I;ll keep it
[14:27] <bregma> there's a bunch of evemu refactoring I'd like to do but it's low priority
[14:28] <bregma> cnd, are you going to do #966367 (grail FTBFS in PPA) or should I MR what I did yesterday?
[14:29] <cnd> bregma, I've already proposed it
[14:29] <cnd> just waiting for someone to review
[14:30] <bregma> oops, missed that -- I seem to be having weird trouble with mail a lot lately
[14:30] <bregma> I especially hate when I send mail and it doesn't actually get sent
[14:31] <tvoss> bregma, same here
[14:31] <bregma> must be a bug in thunderbird, it happens mostly with "reply to list", but also with replying to Debian bugs (which is serious, because that's how Debian handles bugs)
[14:32] <cnd> I can't wait for the switch to gmail
[14:32] <bregma> tvoss, will you fix the evemu test case?
[14:32] <cnd> tvoss, oops, I meant googlemail
[14:32] <cnd> :)
[14:33] <tvoss> cnd, indeed :)
[14:33] <tvoss> bregma, ack
[14:33] <bregma> yeah, I really dislike g*mail but it's sounding better lately
[14:33] <bregma> especially with launchpad working better with gmail than with canonical mail servers
[14:33] <cnd> I personally really like gmail for personal mail, I hope I like it for work mail too
[14:34] <cnd> but I won't be 100% sure until I can try it
[14:35] <bregma> I just want to do code reviews and bug administration through mail instead of a browser without having taste like @$$
[14:35] <cnd> heh
[14:36] <tvoss> bregma, just scheduled a one-shot build for my branch, if it passes, I'm going to mp it
[14:37] <bregma> so, are we on track to do a release of the stack (evemu/frame/grail) tomorrow?
[14:41] <cnd> bregma, I think so
[14:41] <cnd> bregma, tvoss, dandrader: btw, if you can't get 4 touch drag to show/hide the launcher, there are two options you need to check
[14:42] <cnd> in the system settings -> appearances -> behavior, ensure that Auto-hide the launcher is on
[14:42] <tvoss> ah
[14:42] <cnd> if it's greyed out, then you need to open up ccsm, find the unity compiz plugin, go to the behavior tab, and ensure "Hide Launcher" is set to "Autohide"
[14:43] <cnd> the dock then hides/unhides properly as you are dragging
[14:43] <cnd> sometimes when you lift your fingers it reverts back
[14:43] <cnd> so I need to find out why
[14:44] <cnd> but otherwise it's nice and smooth
[14:45] <tvoss> cnd, thanks
[14:45]  * tvoss waits for unity-2d-daily to finish compiling
[14:48] <cnd> aha, so the last update event sometimes has a huge position delta
[15:12] <cnd> bregma, got one more geis bug
[15:12] <cnd> the position delta attribute value is calculated incorrectly, and it manifests when the number of touches changes
[15:16] <cnd> note to self: don't edit shared events from your phone
[15:16] <bregma> OK
[15:17] <bregma> is the fix straighforward?  It should probably get int to 2.2.8 if possible.
[15:19] <cnd> yes
[15:19] <cnd> very
[15:19] <cnd> bregma, http://paste.ubuntu.com/904046/
[15:20] <cnd> I have just confirmed it fixes the launcher hide/unhide reverting at the end of a gesture
[15:20] <cnd> and I believe it fixes windows warping oddly at the end of a three touch gesture too
[15:20] <cnd> I just need to make a test for it
[15:21] <cnd> it also seems to adjust the window movement speed to be more correct too
[15:21] <cnd> though I don't know exactly why that is
[15:25] <tvoss> bregma, do you remember my branch for fixing the format error in geis on i386?
[15:26] <bregma> vaguely
[15:27] <bregma> the one where we didn;t know why it wasn't failing
[15:29] <dandrader> cnd, when you call XSyncAwait() you not receive any events until the wait condition is met, right?
[15:29] <dandrader> s/you not/you will not
[15:30] <tvoss> bregma, ack
[15:30] <tvoss> bregma, would you mind merging it? we can have utouch all green then :)
[15:31] <cnd> dandrader, no, you can receive events
[15:31] <cnd> I think
[15:31] <cnd> I seem to be able to
[15:31] <dandrader> That's not happens in my box
[15:31] <dandrader> it seems
[15:31] <cnd> dandrader, interesting
[15:32] <cnd> dandrader, I think it will require some heavy-duty debugging to figure out :(
[15:32] <dandrader> and that's also what I understood from www.xfree86.org/current/synclib.pdf
[15:32] <cnd> it could be that the events are waiting on the X fd, but the fd isn't being set as readable
[15:33] <cnd> hmm...
[15:33] <cnd> then why is it working for me...
[15:33] <dandrader> cnd, that's where the pause I'm getting comes from
[15:33] <cnd> ok
[15:34] <cnd> I wish the sync extension were better documented
[15:34] <cnd> and way better coded
[15:34] <cnd> it's really awful
[15:36] <cnd> dandrader, can you find anything in the sync extension that would work the way we want it to?
[15:37] <dandrader> "The mechanism used by this extension for synchronization within the X server
[15:37] <dandrader> is to block the processing of requests from a client until a specific
[15:37] <dandrader> synchronization condition occurs.
[15:37] <dandrader> "
[15:37] <dandrader> that "block the processing" part scares me a bit
[15:37] <cnd> dandrader, actually, it looks to me like it shouldn't block
[15:37] <cnd> simply because it's called *a*wait
[15:38] <cnd> "The await is
[15:38] <cnd> processed asynchronously by the server"
[15:39] <cnd> dandrader, can you try switching it from an await to an alarm?
[15:39] <cnd> I honestly don't know what the difference between the two is
[15:39] <cnd> maybe the alarm won't block events?
[15:40] <dandrader> sure, I'll check it
[15:40] <cnd> biab
[15:40] <cnd> dandrader, while you're at it, try using XSyncPositiveTransition instead of XSyncPositiveComparison
[15:41] <cnd> I think I may have it wrong in the code and we are getting extra events we don't need
[15:42] <bregma> tvoss, merged, kick off a test build if you feel the need to see green
[15:42] <tvoss> bregma, thanks ... green is hope ;)
[15:48] <dandrader> "The extension provides an Alarm mechanism that allows clients to receive an
[15:48] <dandrader> event on a regular basis when a particular counter is changed."
[15:48] <dandrader> looks like that's what we want indeed
[15:52] <tvoss> bregma, build fails with a missing header file: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/904102/
[16:02] <bregma> tvoss, fixing....
[16:02] <tvoss> bregma, thanks
[16:10] <bregma> tvoss, I pushed up a fix but most tests are disabled in the packaging builds so I can't guarantee you won't get other errors, go ahead and give it another try
[16:20] <cnd> tvoss, are there plans to move our jenkins work to qa.ubuntu.com?
[17:23] <cnd> bregma, how's bug 944822 coming?
[17:23] <cnd> I'm hitting it in my testcase for the position delta bug :)
[17:32] <bregma> I'm working on it... you don't need to hit it, since your test case can create devices in advance of creating a geis instance, like other test cases do
[17:33] <tvoss> bregma, scheduled a rebuild
[17:34] <bregma> peachy, we'll just wee what we shall see
[17:35] <bregma> I hate it when I write a test case and it fails and I spend a lot of time going through my code, only to realize the test case was wrong not my code
[17:38] <cnd> bregma, I can do that, but it means I have to have multiple test fixtures
[17:38] <cnd> or override the SetUp() function...
[17:39] <cnd> but it's easier, and I think cleaner, if we can instantiate the device in the test body
[17:39] <cnd> if you'll be done soon, I can just wait
[17:39] <cnd> if not, I'll override the SetUp() method
[17:42] <tvoss> bregma, geis is green again
[17:52] <cnd> actually, even overriding SetUp() won't work unless we begin using value-parameterized tests, which isn't really what they are intended for
[19:54] <cnd> dandrader, any luck with the sync extension?
[19:55] <dandrader> cnd, yes
[19:55] <dandrader> alarms work alright
[19:55] <cnd> dandrader, great :)
[19:55] <dandrader> although XSyncPositiveTransition doesn't work
[19:55] <cnd> oh well
[19:56] <dandrader> I've to create an alarm tiwh XSyncPositiveComparison and then delete it when I first get an alarm notifitation from it
[19:56] <dandrader> but actually that logic would be the same for the *Transition case.
[19:57] <dandrader> gotta submit a bug report now...
[19:58] <cnd> dandrader, sounds good
[19:58] <cnd> I'm still curious why it works here and not on your computer
[19:58] <cnd> oh well
[19:59] <dandrader> "works for me"(tm)
[21:16] <dandrader> Why is utouch-geis implemented all in C (as opposed to C++, like in utouch-frame and utouch-grail)?
[21:20] <bregma> some of the target applications are not written in C (eg. GTK) and are less likely to use a library that pulls in the whole C++ runtime
[21:20] <bregma> C is the lowest common denominator for most things, C++ is not compatible with many things
[21:21] <bregma> C can provide a stable ABI across compilers, C++ can't
[21:22] <bregma> of course, now that tgrail and friends were rewritten in C++, the pulling-in-the-whole-runtime is shot to heck
[21:36] <cnd> bregma, yeah, though that's supposed to be temporary
[21:36] <cnd> we just need to get the dbus backend finished
[21:36] <cnd> and make the backends into plugins
[21:37] <cnd> however, the need for that has diminished since the core gtk developers have said they are ok with a c++ runtime dependency
[21:37] <cnd> as long as the api is c
[21:39] <dandrader> I'm missing the std goodies... Where to go for a hash table now?
[21:40] <dandrader> but we do have a geis_bag :)
[21:43] <cnd> dandrader, make one?
[21:43] <cnd> dandrader, we could also use glib, but we were concerned about it's support across platforms
[21:44] <cnd> for example, on windows
[21:44] <cnd> by sticking with straight C and C++, we have a stack that *should* be cross-platform in nature, and does not bring in unwanted dependencies
[21:45] <cnd> bregma, I've proposed the fix for the delta position
[21:46] <cnd> I realized that since the gtest_attr tests all use the same device, we can work around bug 944822 for now
[21:57] <bregma> dandrader, geis_bag is the only generic container in geis, given the nature of most data in geis anything else would be overkill (without a good standard library)
[21:58] <bregma> there are many times I missed my standard library when writinggeis
[21:59] <bregma> cnd, I'll try to review your MRs later today
[21:59] <cnd> bregma, sounds good :)
[22:00] <dandrader> bregma, I feel your pain
[22:00] <dandrader> rewriting standard stuff such as containers is far from motivating indeed
[22:01] <dandrader> well. time's up for me


[12:32] <Lipe_> hi guys
[12:55] <Lipe_> anybody knows who is in charge of the fridge "coding"?
[12:56] <Lipe_> I just found a little feature.
[12:59] <poningru> hmm?
[01:05] <Lipe_> the RSS feed is not added as <link rel="alternate" so firefox doesn't see the RSS feed only the atom
[01:07] <poningru> oh hmm
[01:07] <poningru> the guy I know who works on that isnt here
[01:07] <poningru> maybe vorian knows
[01:08] <vorian> whoa!
[01:08] <vorian> know what?
[01:09] <vorian> poningru, knows what?  :)
[01:10] <poningru> 18:55:02]  <Lipe_> anybody knows who is in charge of the fridge "coding"?
[01:10] <poningru> [18:56:11]  <Lipe_> I just found a little feature.
[01:10] <poningru> [18:59:51]  <poningru> hmm?
[01:10] <poningru> [19:05:42]  <Lipe_> the RSS feed is not added as <link rel="alternate" so firefox doesn't see the RSS feed only the atom
[01:10] <vorian> ah
[01:10] <vorian> #ubuntu-fridge-devel
[01:10] <vorian> nope
[01:10] <vorian> #ubuntu-fridge
[01:11] <vorian> that one poningru ^
[01:11] <poningru> Lipe_: ^
[01:11] <vorian> :)
[01:12] <Lipe_> is not importan is just a little detail that I saw while looking for the rss to parse
[01:14] <Lipe_> thanks
[06:20] <Flannel> Is it odd that ubuntu.com doesn't mention OSS anywhere?
[06:30] <Madpilot> It doesn't, does it? The word 'free' appears several times on the front page, but connected to price, not rights
[06:30] <boredandblogging> afraid that it might turn some people off?
[06:30] <bordy240> why confuse the general populace?
[06:32] <Flannel> Madpilot: Yeah.  Had a guy in #ubuntu ask me if Ubuntu was FOSS, and wanted a cite.  "About" just talks about FaiB.  Closest I could get was the announcement of 7.04, wherehey describe what Ubuntu is
[06:33] <Madpilot> actually, 2nd line of text in the banner across the top: "The power of open source."
[06:34] <Flannel> That's temporal though
[06:35] <Flannel> and even then, is there any licensing stuff on the site?
[06:36] <Flannel> the legal page says "some of these are under GPL and others"
[04:07] <MenZa> juliux: Any status on those shirts?
[04:07] <juliux> MenZa, yes
[04:07] <MenZa> :o
[04:07] <juliux> they are on there way to berlin
[04:08] <juliux> and if you have payed you will get your shirts next week;)
[04:08] <MenZa> I haven't; I still haven't received any note of them being done :)
[04:08] <MenZa> e-mail me your PayPal account and the amount: lasse at havelund dot org
[04:09] <MenZa> :)
[04:16] <juliux> MenZa, they are done allready but i haven t seen the shirts yet;)
[04:17] <MenZa> righr :)
[04:17] <MenZa> right*
[04:17] <MenZa> poke me when you have them :D
[04:20] <juliux> MenZa, 30 for the shirts 6 for shipping so we have 36
[04:20] <MenZa> ahh
[04:20] <MenZa> good, good
[04:27] <juliux> Tm_T, ping
[04:28] <toros> hi
[07:02] <juliux> jenda, ping
[07:03] <juliux> jenda, i need some more papers from you for the books
[07:11] <somerville32> I. am. free.
[10:14] <jenda> juliux: yikes!
[10:14] <juliux> jenda,
[10:15] <jenda> juliux: I'm sorry for the trouble it's causing :/
[10:15] <juliux> jenda, pls send me everything you have about your books
[10:15] <juliux> jenda, i get an other letter from the custom
[10:16] <BHSPitMonkey> somerville32, last day of school?
[10:16] <jenda> juliux: I'm sure you don't want the 20-30 letters amazon sent me ;)
[10:17] <jenda> juliux: or do you?
[10:17] <juliux> jenda, the things for the last two book orders pls
[10:17] <somerville32> BHSPitMonkey, no?
[10:17] <jenda> BHSPitMonkey: I suspect not
[10:17] <jenda> somerville32: welcome back, how are you? :)
[10:17] <somerville32> BHSPitMonkey, Why do you ask?
 I. am. free.
[10:17] <somerville32> jenda: Splendid! :D
[10:17] <juliux> wb somerville32
[10:17] <juliux> good to see you somerville32
[10:17] <somerville32> BHSPitMonkey, Ah. No, I'm free from the hospital :P
[10:17] <BHSPitMonkey> ah, also good.
[10:17] <somerville32> Indeed.
[10:17] <BHSPitMonkey> today was my last real day of class
[10:18] <BHSPitMonkey> just final exams remain
[10:18] <somerville32> Well, today was my last day of hospital <g>
[10:18] <somerville32> Cody Somerville, February 8th 2007 - May 22nd 2007 - RIP @ Home
[10:19] <somerville32> It has been 4 very boring months and now I shall celebrate by working extra hard on Ubuntu! Muhaha
[10:20] <somerville32> I'm just glad it didn't make the 8 months mark which is just around the corner, lol
[10:21] <somerville32> Er... 5
[10:23] <Burgundavia> cool, welcome back
[10:27] <somerville32> ty Burgundavia
[10:28] <somerville32> Something feels weird.
[10:38] <beuno> somerville32: welcome back buddy
[10:39] <somerville32> :)
[10:39] <somerville32> beuno, thanks
[10:41] <jenda> juliux: hmm, I'll do my best.
[10:41] <juliux> jenda, thxs
[10:45] <jenda> juliux: did I just send you a blank email?
[10:46] <juliux> jenda, yes
[10:46] <jenda> juliux: strange, thunderbird refuses to forward it...
[10:51] <jenda> juliux: sent
[10:51] <juliux> jenda, thxs
[10:51] <jenda> (and my thanks to you, indeed)
[10:52] <jenda> juliux: what's the total of books now?
[10:52] <juliux> jenda, 8 here
[10:52] <jenda> juliux: and 2 at customs?
[10:52] <juliux> jenda, two packages at the custom
[10:53] <jenda> ah, cool
[10:53] <jenda> juliux: did a 3-pack of books arrive?
[10:53] <juliux> jenda, not yet
[10:54] <jenda> cool, that might mean it's sitting at customs
[10:54] <juliux> perhaps
[10:54] <jenda> Which would total at 12, and that's all that's needed.
[10:55] <juliux> hehe
[10:55] <jenda> I'm eternally in your debt.
[10:55] <jenda> Which reminds me, you owe me money ;) But it's OK, I've paid for the stuff now, and don't need it - we can trade that once I'm in Dresden.
[10:55] <juliux> jenda, we should ask pitti about the ubuntu meeting
[10:55] <jenda> Definitely :)
[10:56] <juliux> jenda, i have no stickers until now;)
[10:56] <jenda> I already asked him before, but no particular dates were mentioned.
[10:56] <jenda> juliux: And I don't have shirts, and yet I paid for them ;)
[10:56] <juliux> hehe
[10:56] <jenda> I got the stickers yesterday - the printer took a long time :(
[10:56] <jenda> I'll bring them with me to Dresden.
[10:57] <juliux> thats fine
[10:58] <jenda> I think there was this case on bash.org where a guy said "I'm eternally in your bed" by accident ;)
[10:59] <juliux> lol
[10:59] <jenda> I'm entirely dead, so I'll retreat to bed... my own. Good night :)
[11:25] <toros> re
[11:28] <toros> What do you think about transalating the Ubuntu slogan: "Linux for human beings"?
[11:28] <Burgundavia> hmm, slogans are an interesting problem
[11:28] <toros> yeah
[11:29] <toros> I am working for the hungarian loco team
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:29] <toros> and we talked about transalating the slogan into hungarian
[11:29] <toros> but the problem is, that in Hungarian language, there is no expression for "human beings"
[11:29] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:30] <toros> the hungarian world for this sound like "mankind"....
[11:30] <Burgundavia> gender specific?
[11:30] <Flannel> Burgundavia: is "mankind" gender specific in english?
[11:31] <toros> no... de difference is in the feeling... the expression "human being" sound much more positive than "mankind"
[11:31] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:32] <toros> so i translated it like "The friendly face of Linux"
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:32] <toros> which means more or less the same, that "Linux for Human beings"
[11:33] <Burgundavia> I would run that whole thing past Canonical's trademark people
[11:34] <toros> yeah, we will to do the same too...
[11:34] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[11:34] <Burgundavia> isn't translation fun :)
[11:34] <toros> yeah, it is :)
[11:35] <toros> and hungarian is a pretty special language... so it is very hard to translate english text into hungarian...
[11:37] <toros> I am a copywriter at an advertising agency... so this is not the first slogan, that I translate :)
[11:43] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:46] <toros> And in hungary, Ubuntu is very popular... I think, every 3rd hungarian linux user uses Ubuntu
[11:46] <toros> and the guy, how translated Gnome, uses Ubuntu also... :)
[11:47] <toros> so Ubuntu is THE LINUX in hungary :)
[11:51] <Burgundavia> ahh
[11:52] <Burgundavia> hey jono
[11:54] <jono> hey


[00:47] <radix> hey all, is there a way to dput to my PPA without uploading the same orig.tar.gz?
[00:48] <radix> which I've already uploaded in a previous dput, that is
[00:48] <wgrant> radix: Just don't build with -sa...
[00:49] <radix> wgrant: I didn't pass -sa
[00:49] <wgrant> radix: What is the version string?
[00:49] <radix> oh, never mind :)
[00:50] <wgrant> Hm?
[00:50] <radix> it didn't upload the same .orig.tar.gz
[00:50] <wgrant> That could do it.
[00:50] <radix> I don't know why I thought it would
[00:51] <radix> er, crap
[00:52] <radix> I guess I needed to upload it again after all
[00:52] <wgrant> Why?
[00:52] <radix> my first upload failed because I typoed the distroseries. now with my latest upload it can't find the orig.tar.gz
[00:52] <radix> I guess it rejected the baby with the bathwater
[00:52] <wgrant> A rejection is everything, yes.
[00:53] <wgrant> If it rejects due to a bad sig, I don't really want the files to pollute my PPA.
[00:53] <radix> understandable
[00:53] <radix> so now I have the opposite problem, I guess :)
[00:53] <radix> I guess I should debuild with -sa?
[00:53] <wgrant> Correct.
[00:54] <wgrant> Wait...
[00:54] <wgrant> Why?
[00:54] <wgrant> Why isn't it uploading it this time?
[00:54] <radix> wgrant: so, my second upload did not upload the .orig.tar.gz, and I built ~ppa2 just the same as ~ppa1
[00:54] <radix> (debuild -S)
[00:55] <wgrant> radix: Since it was rejected, you don't have to increment the version.
[00:55] <radix> oh, okay. I thought I remember something about PPA blacklisting versions or whatever
[00:55] <radix> I guess that's only for FTBFS instead of rejections
[00:55] <Hobbsee> radix: that's if it actually only made it to your ppa in the first place.
[00:55] <wgrant> It only blacklists accepted versions.
[00:55] <radix> ok, so
[00:55] <Hobbsee> radix: this got rejected before it reached your ppa.
[00:56] <radix> I uploaded ~ppa2 and it didn't upload the source. I'd now like to upload ~ppa2 and include the source.
[00:56]  * wgrant uploads 9999:1 with a bad signature to Hobbsee's PPA, and cackles evilly.
[00:56] <radix> wgrant: I see :)
[00:56] <wgrant> radix: You could build with -sa, or decrement thee version.
[00:57]  * Hobbsee uploads ultamatix to wgrant's ppa, and uploads a new version of libc6 with ultamatix as a dependancy.
[00:57] <Hobbsee> (with a similar epoch)
[00:57]  * Hobbsee cackles more evilly
[00:57] <radix> Ok, I'll build with -sa since I know some people hate it even when you change a version that only ever saw your hard disk.
[00:57] <wgrant> Damn.
[00:57] <wgrant> Sounds good.
[00:58] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I don't think Ultamatix can survive this.
[00:58] <Hobbsee> wgrant: muhahahahaha :)
[00:59] <radix> wgrant: you are, as always, most helpful. thank you.
[00:59] <radix> Hobbsee: and thank you as well.
[00:59] <Hobbsee> radix: you're welcome
[00:59] <wgrant> radix: np
[01:19] <NCommander> Hobbsee, o_o;
[01:21] <stgraber> Hobbsee: ultimatix by default, should we propose that for jaunty ? :)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> stgraber: only if you want to be impaled.
[01:22] <wgrant> stgraber: Sure, once TheeMahn fixes mjg59's non-construcive criticism.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> by multiple people :)
[01:23] <stgraber> Hobbsee: I don't have upload rights, do you want to sponsor it ? :)
[01:23]  * wgrant is reminded of how Hobbsee fell for jdong's April 1st joke this year.
[01:23] <stgraber> wgrant: bah, it's just a matter of using expect on apt instead of using --force-yes -y no ? :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that's true.  but it was more fun to just have a go at him anyway.
[01:35] <ajmitch> stgraber: agreed, someone needs to upload it with Essential
[03:50] <poolie_> hi
[03:50] <poolie_> do PPAs build for Jaunty yet?
[03:51] <poolie_> i'm guessing Jaunty is probably super unstable atm and the answer is no
[03:53] <jamesh> poolie_: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas lists Jaunty as frozen, so I guess not
[03:53] <jamesh> poolie_: if you submit jaunty builds now, they'll probably get processed once things get opened
[03:53] <jamesh> (that's what happened for an intrepid build I submitted early last cycle
[03:54] <poolie_> thanks
[03:54] <poolie_> i wonder why my uploads aren't showing up there?
[03:55] <jamesh> dunno
[03:56] <Hobbsee> poolie_: that probably means that the distro "jaunty" exists, but no buildd tarballs exist for it yet
[03:57] <Hobbsee> (although I note they do for regular builds, where they're still doing a toolchain)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> I presume they will start existing when the archive is open for general uploads
[03:57] <poolie_> mm
[03:58] <poolie_> my upload will presumably either succeed or fail, so it was just general curiousity
[03:58] <Hobbsee> i'd expect it'll just sit in needsbuild or something
[03:58] <poolie_> and they're showing on that page now, which is nice
[03:58] <Hobbsee> indeed!
[03:58] <Hobbsee> so it doesn't look to be broken or anything
[04:22] <jamesh> it'd be nice if feedback for builds was as responsive as for bazaar.launchpad.net ...
[04:25] <spiv> jamesh: yeah
[04:33] <poolie_> spiv, 2/3 of them are done, i'm going to do the third review
[04:34] <poolie_> but you don't need to land them right away or anything
[04:34] <lathiat> Howdy all.. question.. how do I can my @ubuntu.com forward?
[04:36] <spm> lathiat: mail requests to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and/or ask in #canonical-sysadmin. But as they're all asleep atm, rt@ is your best best.
[04:36] <lathiat> thanks spm
[05:32] <wgrant> jamesh: A distroseries' status doesn't affect PPAs.
[05:32] <wgrant> THe reason uploads aren't working is that none of Jaunty's archs are enabled for PPAs
[05:45] <jamesh> wgrant: ah.  I assumed the "frozen" bit on the PPA page was related to no architectures being listed
[05:45]  * jamesh never played much with the PPA UI
[05:45] <wgrant> jamesh: No, it's just that primary is frozen for toolchain changes.
[05:45] <wgrant> So that bit of UI is misleading.
[07:59] <dholbach> could it be that there are some problems with the Launchpad API login?
[08:00] <dholbach> after the authorization page thingie I get a 401 Unauthorized
[08:04] <NCommander> dholbach, ?
[08:04] <wgrant> dholbach: Works fine for me (on edge)
[08:07] <dholbach> ah ok... edge works for me too
[08:32] <Peng_> If you use the "disable redirection to edge for 2 hours" button, can you turn the redirection back on, or do you have to wait for 2 hours no matter what?
[08:33] <wgrant> Peng_: You should have a button on launchpad.net to reenable it.
[08:34] <Peng_> OK, cool. :)
[12:27] <Yoe> hi -- I note that launchpad.net/nbd points to SF.net's CVS repository
[12:27] <Yoe> nbd hasn't been using that repository for years, we've switched to svn ages ago
[12:38] <njpatel> Hey, to get a super-project, do I need to set up a regular project first, or do I request the super-project and then edit the details?
[12:39] <njpatel> (set up a regualr project and then ask for it to be made a super-project, I mean)
[14:34] <MisterN> hi. it's true: join #keyword on freenode and you're in the right place.
[14:36] <beuno> MisterN, you're spamming?
[14:37] <MisterN> no.
[14:38] <MisterN> i've got a question, but wanted to wait a few minutes before asking. anyways, here is the question:
[14:38] <MisterN> is it possible to somehow integrate a git repository with launchpad?
[14:38] <MisterN> i found https://launchpad.net/bzr-git but don't know if this actually works for launchpad
[14:39] <beuno> MisterN, not currently, no
[14:39] <MisterN> :(
[14:43] <MisterN> beuno: what would you suggest? just wait until it is supported?
[14:44] <beuno> MisterN, yeah, there's really nothing else to do for now. I Know there is some work being done to be able to import git branches
[14:45] <beuno> maybe jelmer knows more about this
[14:45] <MisterN> i think it's important, as git starts to dominate pretty much
[14:57] <gary_poster> Stedevil: you asked about a code import problem for https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/freedroid/trunk on Saturday.  We are aware of this problem.  Please subscribe to bug 156744 if you'd like to keep up with progress.
[15:00] <gary_poster> fta: you asked about a code import problem for https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/googlechrome/trunk on Saturday.  We are also aware of this problem.  I do not have a bug number for you, unfortunately, but if you would like me to dig further for it, I will try.  I am told that fixing this is in progress, but it will not land this cycle.
[15:02] <MisterN> gary_poster: are you a bot? :)
[15:02] <gary_poster> MisterN: :-) no
[15:02] <gmb> MisterN: No, he's a cyborg assembled from the spare body parts of dead Zope devs.
[15:02] <gary_poster> lol
[15:16] <thekorn> hi all, is requesting a login token with launchpadlib for staging.lp.net known to be broken?
[15:17] <thekorn> I try to use get_token_and_login() as usual, but always get a 401 error
[15:18] <thekorn> and I'm wondering if it is launchpadlib beeing incompatible with recent changes on staging
[15:18] <thekorn> of if it is an issue with the login (or whatever) system on staging
[15:21] <gary_poster> thekorn: I'll check into it right now and get back to you.
[15:22] <thekorn> gary_poster, thank you
[15:28] <bac> thekorn: i just tried using staging with a script that is know to work.  i also got a 401 today.
[15:28] <bac> gary_poster: ^^
[15:28] <bac> s/know/known
[15:29] <gary_poster> bac: good to know, thanks.  I have pending question to mars and flacoste.
[15:29] <thekorn> I managed to get an OOPS id, don't know if it helps: X-Lazr-Oopsid: OOPS-1038S23
[15:30] <gary_poster> thekorn: thanks.  Not available yet, but I'll pass it along when it is.
[15:36] <Stedevil> gary_poster: Thanks, Ill subscribe to that bug :)
[15:39] <Stedevil> but gosh, it was reported >1 year ago...
[15:42] <gary_poster> cool :-)
[15:45] <gary_poster> Stedevil: I'm told it's in progress :-)  I don't have it in front of me, but hopefully that status change (to "in progress") is relatively recent?
[15:48] <Stedevil> gary_poster: yeah, seems confirmed, assigned and work started all in the last 10 days
[15:49] <gary_poster> Stedevil: cool, good news then. :-)
[16:02] <gary_poster> thekorn: no reply.  I'll put a bug in so you can subscribe to it.
[16:04] <thekorn> gary_poster, great, thanks
[16:08] <gary_poster> thekorn: bug 293164
[18:44] <fta> gary_poster, thanks (vcs-imports/googlechrome). an ETA would be nice, yet, it's not urgent. i'm just monitoring this branch (as there's not much for linux until now)
[18:46] <kiko> fta, is it on code.google.com?
[18:46] <gary_poster> fta: I'm told it won't be in the next release (i.e., within three weeks or so) but it *is* actively being worked on.  My unofficial guess would be the release after that one (so, seven weeks-ish?)
[18:47] <fta> kiko, yep sure, but i'm used to lp sending me patches
[18:48] <kiko> fta, oh, I know -- I'm just asking because googlecode's svn server is notoriously flaky
[18:48] <kiko> we almost never get an import of a large project from there
[18:49] <fta> gary_poster, i'm also aware of that. i just wish we'll have something before uds
[19:17] <psusi> when I look at my bugs on launchpad the list shows bugs multiple times if they are targeted to both debian and Ubuntu, or if Debian still has the bug open because they haven't applied the fix for two years... can I get rid of the entries for debian?
[19:19] <gary_poster> psusi: I'll ask for you and be back within 10 minutes with either an answer or a suggestion that you file a question in Launchpad.
[19:24] <gary_poster> psusi: from a bugs dev: "no - the best you can do is mark the debian task as invalid (if it is indeed invalid)"
[19:24] <psusi> damn... it isn't invalid, it's just that it's been two years now since I sent the patch to the debian bts and it has yet to be applied, and I'm getting tired of seeing it on my bug list
[19:25] <gary_poster> :-( understood
[19:25] <psusi> that, and the bugs that are still in progress on both show up twice on my bug list, which is just unneccesary
[19:25] <psusi> just makes it longer than it need be
[19:26] <gary_poster> If you see a reasonable, general-purpose Launchpad feature lurking here among the annoyances you are facing, maybe open a bug to suggest it.  That's all I can suggest, I'm afraid.
[19:26] <homy> Hello. I have a problem concerning ppa: A while ago, I dput ed a package to my new teams ppa, but hasn't arrived in the ppa yet; it is still empty.
[19:27] <gary_poster> homy: how long ago is a while?
[19:27] <homy> gary_poster: about an hour
[19:28] <gary_poster> homy: ok.  that's still conceivable that it hasn't processed yet, but I'll try to get some verification for you from a code dev.
[19:29] <homy> If I try to dput the package again, dput tells me the package is already uploaded.
[19:29] <Nafallo> -f for force
[19:30] <Nafallo> or remove the .upload
[19:33] <homy> ok, I'll try to re dput the package now.
[19:36] <homy> nope. Pacakge is still not in the ppa.
[19:36] <gary_poster> homy: I'm told that it is likely that this will fail again, because it is likely that you signed it with a key that is not in Launchpad
[19:37] <gary_poster> So, verify that the key you are using is in Launchpad first
[19:37] <bigjools> or not signed it at all
[19:37] <homy> gary_poster: I didn't see that in the channel...
[19:38] <homy> But ok, yeah, I didn't sign it. Thanks.
[19:38] <gary_poster> I homy: cool, np (thanks to bigjools actually ;-) )
[19:39] <homy> launchpad didn't ask for that prerequisite when enabling the ppa. Is all at https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Overview mandatory?
[19:40] <gary_poster> homy: looking
[19:41] <bigjools> homy: unless your package is signed, it doesn't know who uploaded it
[19:41] <bigjools> and yes the instructions are mandatory
[19:42] <gary_poster> homy, you were asking about the Ubuntero requirement, right?    I am no longer subscribed or assigned, and neither is my team... I think it was targeted at dmraid in Janary and I retarted it to lvm since it had nothing to do with dmraid, yet it still shows me associated with the bug
[20:16] <homy1> Hey, thanks a lot for the help! Currently, my package I uploaded to ppa is building! Thanks!
[20:27] <homy1> I have another question about ppas: now, there is only an apt sources.list entry displayed for intrepid. Can it also be used with hardy or do I create a source package for hardy and upload that too?
[20:28] <psusi> you should create a package for hardy and upload that too I think
[20:34] <homy1> psusi: is that just the way it is meant, or does it also work without problems to just use the intrepid repos for hardy?
[20:35] <psusi> you can try the intrepid package in hardy by pointing your sources.list to the intrepid target, but problems might arise from it being build with a different libc and such
[20:36] <gary_poster> homy1: probably depends on what you are building against.  I suspect psusi is right.
[20:36] <psusi> so better to retarget the source to hardy and upload it to be built on and for hardy
[20:36] <homy1> sorry, what do you mean with "what you are building against", gary_poster? Sorry, I'm kinda new.
[20:36] <homy1> psusi: ok.
[20:40] <homy1> ah, ok, I understood now. Thanks.
[20:40] <gary_poster> homy1: maybe "what you are compiling against"?  If you build against a library in intrepid, the library is probably a different version in hardy, and your software will be looking in the wrong place for things, and you may get mysterious, very unpleasant errors.
[20:40] <homy1> thanks.
[20:43] <fta> ppa/i386      997 builds waiting in queue ! ?? 997 ???
[20:44] <fta> the return of the evil lang packs ??
[20:46] <homy1> fta: all i386 distribution build machines idle...
[20:46] <fta> ppa
[20:47] <homy1> fta: yes, but I mean: couldn't, only when all distribution machines are idle, one of them be used for ppa?
[20:49] <fta> homy1, er? i thought ppa machines were dedicated, up to a few days ago, there were far more machines dedicated to ppa, now, it's back to just 3 per arch :(
[20:55] <gary_poster> fta: I'm afraid I have no idea about the problem.  Does it look like something is wrong, or just behind?
[20:57] <gary_poster> (where "too much behind" is a reasonable sort of "wrong," I suppose)
[20:59] <fta> gary_poster, well, i've never seen a queue of 1000 packages in PPAs, and i use them a lot... except the lang packs that come in band of ~300
[20:59] <fta> is it possible to see the queue of ppas ?
[20:59] <fta> i mean global queue, not per user
[21:00] <gary_poster> fta: I doubt it is exposed publicly.  I'm going to ask about the queue; will be back.
[21:00] <fta> gary_poster, i'm referring to https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds
[21:03] <homy1> fta: what good is the copy from ppa to another ppa function?
[21:04] <homy1> (oh, sorry, that was a general question, not just for fta)
[21:04] <fta> homy1, ?
[21:04] <fta> homy1, i'm not using it
[21:13] <homy1> when refreshing package lists after having added my ppa, I am told that there was a bad signature. But: it isn't created by my key, but by some generic "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key". Is there a way I can use a ppa without getting this warning and without trusting that generic key?
[21:13] <rockstar> homy1, why don't you want to trust the key?
[21:14] <gary_poster> homy1: AIUI, no.  That's how Launchpad signs the packages it built.
[21:14] <homy1> rockstar: because it's a generic key used for every ppa.
[21:24] <homy1> Can the copying packages function together with a different destination series and rebuilding the copied source be used to, eg, rebuild a hardy package for intrepid?
[21:37] <homy1> well, thanks anyway for all the help I got in this channel :).
[21:37] <homy1> bye.
[21:40] <kblin> hi folks
[21:42] <gary_poster> hi
[21:45] <kblin> and bye again, the answers link in the topic helped :)
[23:46] <nhandler> I'm having an issue adding a bug watch to a debian bts bug. When I go to add the watch, it says "u'Package vzctl not published in Debian' (notice the u?) I know for a fact that vzctl is in Debian. Any ideas why I can't add the watch?
[23:54] <matsubara> nhandler, what's the bug number?
[23:55] <nhandler> matsubara: The Debian bug or LP bug?
[23:56] <matsubara> nhandler, LP bug
[23:56] <nhandler> matsubara: 293338


[00:04] <ion_> Alright
[00:07] <Keybuk> which seems reasonable
[01:24] <sadmac> Keybuk: still looking for a new name for the "on" stanza?
[01:30] <Keybuk> sadmac: potentially
[01:31] <sadmac> Keybuk: I was thinking "when"
[01:31] <Keybuk> and what would be the opposite?
[01:31] <sadmac> Keybuk: when not?
[01:32] <Keybuk> that's a bit ... odd :)
[01:32] <Keybuk> especially since the following bits would be true :P
[01:32] <Keybuk>   when started gdm
[01:32] <Keybuk>   when not stopping gdm
[01:32] <Keybuk> (except it's stopped *when* stopping gdm)
[01:32] <sadmac> Oh, I thought on syntax did that all in one stanza
[01:32] <sadmac> when started gdm until stopping gdm
[01:33] <sadmac> but on that note, unti'
[01:33] <sadmac> s/unti'/until/
[01:33] <Keybuk> that syntax got dropped a while back
[01:33] <Keybuk> the "until" operator's semantics got crazy
[01:33] <sadmac> ah
[01:35] <Keybuk> current front-runner is three stanzas
[01:35] <Keybuk> "from" (morally equivalent to "start on")
[01:35] <Keybuk> "until" (morally equivalent to "stop on")
[01:36] <Keybuk> "when" (state matching)
[01:36] <Keybuk> so, something like
[01:36] <Keybuk>   from tty-added
[01:36] <Keybuk>   until tty-removed $TTY
[01:36] <Keybuk>   while multiuser
[01:36] <Keybuk> (err, s/"when"/"while"/ :p)
[01:37] <sadmac> so can you pair them explicitly?
[01:37] <Keybuk> I think so
[01:38] <sadmac> from a \n until b \n from c \n until d   Where if it starts on a it won't stop on d
[01:38] <Keybuk> no
[01:38] <Keybuk> you can't do that
[01:38] <sadmac> hmm
[01:38] <sadmac> how do the multi-instance jobs work then?
[01:39] <sadmac> I guess that's more environment though
[01:39] <Keybuk> example?
[01:39] <sadmac> from some_tty starts
[01:39] <sadmac> until that_specific_tty_that_started_me_stops
[01:40] <Keybuk> right
[01:40] <Keybuk> so you'd match that using environment
[01:40] <Keybuk> from tty-up
[01:40] <Keybuk> until tty-down $TTY
[01:40] <Keybuk> the tty-up event carries TTY=tty1 as an environment payload
[01:40] <Keybuk> that gets added to the jobs own environment while it's running
[01:41] <Keybuk> (in fact, for getty, that would probably be the way unique instances are determined)
[01:41] <Keybuk> because it will be in the environment of the job, the job can match against it in its own definitions
[01:41] <Keybuk> so thus:
[01:41] <Keybuk>   until tty-down $TTY
[01:41] <sadmac> I also wanted to know how you have jobs become able to be started on events without starting them
[01:41] <sadmac> I.e. `start job_x` fails
[01:42] <sadmac> I plug in a smart card, nothing results directly from this
[01:42] <sadmac> but while the smart card is in, `start job_x` succeeds
[01:43] <sadmac> so basically "this job can only be run while in state X, but it doesn't have to be running in said state"
[01:44] <Keybuk> means match the TTY variable from the tty-down event to the $TTY variable in the job
[01:45] <Keybuk> you'd use states for that, maybe
[01:46] <Keybuk> I'm not sure how much preventing the sysadmin from doing stuff we want to do
[01:46] <Keybuk> I think I'm generally inclined to think if a sysadmin tries to start job_x, even while there's no smart card in, it should let them
[01:46] <Keybuk> and obviously job_x will fail and give them meaningful error messages
[01:47] <Keybuk> (ie. the daemon started will fail)
[01:47] <sadmac> true
[01:48] <Keybuk> obviously Upstart should never attempt to start it automatically
[01:49] <sadmac> cool
[01:49] <Keybuk> a more interesting question is if you start a job manually, should Upstart ever stop it automatically? :)
[01:50] <sadmac> This does bring up a point about the flags/profiles things. Usually we want to prevent a service from coming up automatically, but if after loading the profile the admin decides to start one manually himself, we should let him
[01:51] <Keybuk> right
[01:53] <sadmac> Ok, might be more of a unix API question, unless nih has something I don't know about, but how would I change upstart init's tty from within the source code?
[01:53] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[01:54] <sadmac> Like make nih_info/error/whatever and the stdout of 'console output' services route to /dev/some/specific/tty
[01:55] <Keybuk> easiest way would be just to change upstart's own console
[01:55] <Keybuk> ie in init/main.c
[01:56] <sadmac> yeah, having trouble getting unix to do that for me.
[01:56] <Keybuk> don't you just change it? :p
[01:56] <sadmac> Right now I'm sending TIOCNOTTY to /dev/tty, and then open()ing the new tty, which should do it.
[01:56] <Keybuk> do you even *have* /dev/tty at that point? :)
[01:56] <Keybuk> on a udev-based system, you only generally have /dev/console and maybe /dev/null when init starts
[01:57] <sadmac> hmm.
[01:57] <sadmac> I should add that I want this to happen dynamically, and to revert the change later (I've got the revert thing figured out, if I can just change it in the first place)
[01:57] <Keybuk> without knowing much more about Fedora, I'm not sure I can help :-/
[01:58] <Keybuk> certainly on Ubuntu, nothing other than /dev/console exists when init starts
[01:59] <sadmac> well my current technique isn't working even when I'm testing it (well after udev starts)
[01:59] <Keybuk> what's taht?
[01:59] <sadmac> after the TIOCNOTTY and the change, its still logging to the same place
[02:00] <Keybuk> that could be syslog() doing that
[02:00] <sadmac> basically I have an initctl push_tty /dev/something and an initctl pop_tty command. They appear to work, but logging behavior doesn't actually change.
[02:01] <Keybuk> upstart's own log output?
[02:01] <Keybuk> or the output of jobs?
[02:01] <sadmac> upstart's own
[02:01] <Keybuk> that's probably syslog doing that then
[02:02] <sadmac> ahh, so nih_info outputs to syslog?
[02:02] <Keybuk> does commenting out the openlog() and nih_log_set_logger() calls help?
[02:02] <Keybuk> (then it'll just use printf)
[02:03] <sadmac> I'll try that
[02:03] <sadmac> In fact I should set up a test job to do things with actual job output
[10:36]  * Keybuk yawns
[10:37] <Keybuk> too damned windy again today
[20:37] <Keybuk> dear valgrind, please exit 1 if you find an error, kthxbye
[20:37] <ion_> Heh
[20:45] <Keybuk> hurrah
[20:45] <Keybuk> job->start_on is no more
[20:46] <Keybuk> start and the resulting environment are now atomic
[20:47] <Keybuk> so if you "start getty TTY=1"
[20:47] <Keybuk> and then do "stop --id 123; start --id 123 TTY=2"
[20:47] <Keybuk> the stop scripts will still have $TTY=1
[20:47] <Keybuk> and won't get $TTY=2 until it restarts
[20:50] <ion_> Neat.
[20:54] <Keybuk> do you think it matters why a job is stopped?
[20:55] <Keybuk> I'm thinking of only making the stop event environment available to the pre-stop script
[20:55] <Keybuk> since that script can decide to start the job again without killing the running process
[20:55] <Keybuk> I don't think post-stop should get the environment, since it shouldn't care ?
[20:55] <ion_> Mm... I can’t think of any use cases immediately.
[20:56] <ion_> A post-stop script might e.g. want to send email based on the job’s exit value, or something.
[21:01] <Keybuk> it should do that by hooking the stopped event ;)
[21:01] <ion_> Good point. :-)
[21:08] <Keybuk> let me dump my thoughts here
[21:08] <Keybuk>   start on foo or bar
[21:08] <Keybuk>   stop on wibble or wibble
[21:09] <Keybuk>   ... some job
[21:09] <Keybuk> initctl emit foo
[21:09] <Keybuk> job goal changed from stop to start
[21:09] <Keybuk> job state changed from waiting to starting
[21:10] <Keybuk> job state changed from starting to pre-start
[21:10] <Keybuk>   (pre-start run with UPSTART_EVENTS=foo)
[21:10] <Keybuk> job state changed from pre-start to spawned
[21:10] <Keybuk>   (main process with UPSTART_EVENTS=foo)
[21:10] <Keybuk> job state changed from pre-start to post-stop
[21:10] <Keybuk> (err, start)
[21:10] <Keybuk> job state changed from post-start to running
[21:10] <Keybuk> ok
[21:10] <Keybuk> so the job is running, and the environment remained the same
[21:10] <Keybuk> now do
[21:11] <Keybuk> initctl emit wibble
[21:11] <Keybuk> job state changed from running to pre-stop
[21:11] <Keybuk>   (pre-stop run with UPSTART_STOP_EVENTS=wibble)
[21:11] <Keybuk> job state changed from pre-stop to stopping
[21:11] <Keybuk> now:
[21:11] <Keybuk> initctl emit bar
[21:11] <Keybuk> job goal changed from start to stop
[21:11] <Keybuk> initctl emit wobble
[21:11] <ion_> Don’t you mean from stop to start?
[21:12] <Keybuk> yes, sorry
[21:12] <Keybuk> missed a line :p
[21:12] <Keybuk> job goal changed from start to stop
[21:12] <Keybuk> we're still in the right line here, we were just blocking on our stopping event
[21:12] <Keybuk> so we're going to continue towards death
[21:12] <Keybuk> job state changed from stopping to killed
[21:12] <Keybuk>   (kill the main process)
[21:12] <Keybuk> job state changed from killed to post-stop
[21:12] <Keybuk>   (post-run run with UPSTART_STOP_EVENTS= ... errr...)
[21:12] <Keybuk> ie.
[21:12] <Keybuk> if we attempt to run the post-stop with the environment from the stop events, that will be "wobble"
[21:13] <Keybuk> yet pre-stop was run with "wibble"
[21:13] <ion_> Yep...
[21:13] <Keybuk> which is wrong :)
[21:13] <Keybuk> if script A, B and C are run with one set of environmen
[21:13] <Keybuk> so should script D
[21:13] <ion_> Yep
[21:14] <Keybuk> the reason we don't have this problem on start events is because we can always run through stop first
[21:14] <Keybuk> so we have the notion of the "next" start environment
[21:14] <Keybuk> wherever we are in the cycle, we can skip running and run through the whole thing again, and switch over the environment next time we pass through starting
[21:14] <Keybuk> this isn't bad, since it appears like a restart, which given a stop/start sequence is exactly what you'd expect
[21:15] <Keybuk> for stop, we don't really want to run through start again, just so we can stop it again :)
[21:15] <Keybuk> especially if we know the stop event/state/etc. has already happened
[21:15] <ion_> Aye
[21:15] <Keybuk> so that's my rationale for why only pre-stop should see the environment of the stop events
[21:16] <ion_> I don’t see a reason to disagree.
[21:16] <Keybuk> in a sensible job, the stop events should be balanced by the start events
[21:17] <Keybuk> so if you have tty-added...tty-removed as a pair, you can see tty-added in the post-stop script so assume that it was tty-removed that caused you to be stopped


[16:47] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txyqS5yuw30
[16:55] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YAdTT5xxJA
[17:06] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfjOhSNhXVg
[17:21] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfjOhSNhXVg
[17:21] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfjOhSNhXVg
[17:21] <vlah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfjOhSNhXVg
[17:21] <vlah> odo dodo;(


[20:25] <Bashing-om> Nothing new I want to add to Gdoc, beginnining to set up the WIKI.
[22:54] <Bashing-om> UWN557 up for critique, proofreading and check for camel-case :)


[09:55] <AlanBell> o/ cnd & popey
[09:55] <popey> yo
[09:56] <popey> some of those personas are real people, most are in fact ☺
[09:56] <AlanBell> oh, people were only talking about lola
[09:59] <AlanBell> !lola
[09:59] <AlanBell> does that need updating then?
[10:04] <popey> well some of them are real, martin, evan, otto etc
[15:53] <marlinc> Does it use Unity? And if it does will the Touch Unity be merged into the main Unity so the desktop can also benefit from new features?
[16:05] <bregma> marlinc, yes, and yes
[16:06] <marlinc> Awesome I love it when people do that
[16:07] <bregma> but there is still much work to be done
[16:10] <k1l> the roadmap says it should be "one unity" in 14.04
[16:12] <marlinc> Well it may take some time. But still that is a nice thing
[16:35] <bcurtiswx> in the tablet edition, what editor can i install to edit system files ?
[17:20] <brendand> bcurtiswx, vim.tiny is present
[17:23] <bcurtiswx> brendand, thanks :)


[13:55] <krono> hi, I have a rack controller whose physical interface configuration does not match the vie in controllers -> [controller name] -> network.
[13:55] <krono> can I somehow refresh that?
[14:26] <krono> nvm
[14:26] <krono> :)
[15:12] <mup> Bug #1972865 opened: Wrong metadata URL provided in preseed when using multiple rack controllers <MAAS:In Progress by cgrabowski> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1972865>


[14:43] <vvor> Hi, I have used a script that, while running on my server, outputted the Amazon ec2 estimated price for that configuration and work load. I can not, for my life, remember the name or find it on google. HELP! Thanks :-)