[04:08] <foo> Er, someone is telling me how debian 2.6.8 is better than ubuntu 2.6.16.
[04:08] <foo> He is telling me to try a 2.6.8 kernel on ubuntu
[04:16] <infinity> I wouldn't recommend it.
[04:16] <foo> eh, yeah, we're not going to do that.
[04:16] <infinity> OTOH, we've never had a stable release with 2.6.16 either.
[04:16] <foo> I know there will be some issues with udev, I think.
[04:17] <infinity> breezy = 2.6.12, dapper = 2.6.15, edgy = 2.6.17, feisty = 2.6.20 (when it's out)
[04:18] <foo> eh, I'm just having some issues. Everyone says it's IO, but the data center doesn't accept that answer.
[04:18] <foo> This server pushes 100mbit .. and the iowait from iostat increases..
[04:18] <foo> Load ranges from .1 to 350
[04:29] <infinity> What does it serve?
[04:29] <foo> files with apache, mainly.
[04:29] <foo> Well, only.
[04:29] <infinity> Static, or dynamic?
[04:29] <foo> dynamic
[04:29] <foo> lots of file uploading/downloading
[04:29] <foo> 100mbit cap
[04:29] <infinity> DB backend?
[04:29] <infinity> PHP, Perl, Python?
[04:30] <infinity> It's entirely possible you just allow too many client connections.
[04:30] <infinity> Alternately (and this one sounds weird until you think about it), you may be running too few apache instances, not too many.
[04:30] <infinity> It's very costly for apache to fork new children when the hit count increases.  Very.
[04:30] <infinity> If you start with more MinSpares, it goes more smoothly.
[04:31] <foo> PHP
[04:31] <foo> Hm. infinity, should I check for connections about netstat or something?
[04:31] <foo> I've had several guys look at this ... everyone is blaming IO
[04:31] <infinity> When the load is huge, "ps ax | grep apache" and see how many are running.
[04:31] <foo> But how could a network cap at 100mbit cause IO on a server.. I'd expect it to read/write with that
[04:32] <infinity> If there's several hundred, or something, then you really want to bump up MinSpares in the config, or limit MaxClients.  Pick one.  Either will help.
[04:32] <foo> Apache has already been optimized, but. hm
[04:32] <infinity> Err, when people blame "I/O", they're not blaming the network, they're blaming slow disk and such.
[04:33] <foo> # netstat -nap|grep -c ESTA
[04:33] <foo> 381
[04:33] <foo> yeah, I know
[04:33] <foo> I just don't get how a server pushing 100mbit could have IO
[04:33] <foo> issues
[04:33] <infinity> Why not?
[04:33] <infinity> It's not about raw disk throughput, it's about crazy random access.
[04:33] <foo> heh, that might be what it is
[04:33] <foo> That's what I'm thinking
[04:34] <infinity> But in my experience with PHP/Apache, I'd suspect you're CPU bound on apache forking.
[04:34] <foo> 192 requests currently being processed, 20 idle workers
[04:34] <foo> load is 1.25 right now
[04:34] <foo> Pushing 81mbit right now
[04:35] <infinity> grep SpareServers /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[04:35] <foo> MinSpareServers      20
[04:35] <foo> MaxSpareServers     27
[04:35] <foo> worker and prefork, probably
[04:35] <infinity> No, those are both for prefork.
[04:35] <foo> oh, ok
[04:36] <infinity> Min is the number started at startup as spares, Max is the number it will keep idle once connections die off.
[04:36] <foo> ok
[04:36] <infinity> For your sort of load, you might want something more insane like Min 50, Max 75
[04:36] <infinity> Or even higher.
[04:36] <infinity> If you're doing 200 requests right now.
[04:36] <infinity> Min 100, Max 150.
[04:36] <infinity> Experiment, have fun. :)
[04:37] <infinity> If you have the RAM to back up that sort of thing anyway, which you better if you're trying to saturate 100Mbit.
[04:38] <foo> Hm, 1GB RAM
[04:39] <foo> infinity: FYI, I've been playing around for weeks now. I've pretty much had it.
[04:40] <infinity> Is that PHP serving content from a DB?
[04:40] <infinity> If so, tuning said DB enging for that sort of load is just as important as tuning Apache.
[04:41] <infinity> s/enging/engine/
[04:42] <foo> Nope, not from DB
[04:42] <infinity> Kay.
[04:59] <ArwynH> lo
[05:00] <ArwynH> just wondering, is there any plans to implement a server control panel of sorts?
[05:01] <ArwynH> If so, can I have a link to the spec please? Or should I write one myself?
[05:54] <levander> ArwynH: there are already some of those written that are free software, like cpanel
[05:55] <foo> ArwynH: Look into webmin
[06:17] <ArwynH> foo: webmin is a nightmare and is not in repos.
[06:17] <foo> ArwynH: Nightmare? Why? Yeah, isn't in repos.
[06:18] <ArwynH> foo: it isn't in the repos because the code is a nightmare to maintain. I've tried running it before.
[06:19] <ArwynH> it's a pain to run aswell
[06:19] <ArwynH> anyway, a web interface isn't what I'm looking for.
[06:19] <foo> I see
[06:21] <ArwynH> I've pretty much decided what I want and I havn't found anything like it in the oss world, so It looks like I'll have to write it myself, but I'm just trying to make sure.
[06:21] <foo> ah
[06:25] <levander> ArwynH: maybe write a spec first and circulate, maybe people will help you based on the spec?
[06:25] <ArwynH> levander: i plan to. hence me checking if there was one available to look at first.
[06:26] <levander> ArwynH: maybe circulate it on webmin and cpanel mailing lists, after written?
[09:29] <okaratas> hi
[10:59] <shwag> phpmyadmin is pretty out of date on ubuntu.
[10:59] <shwag> <IP_ADDRESS>  vs   <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:54] <linuxpoet> why is mailman on dapper always using the wrong domain to send?


[00:02] <yuhong> BTW, iwl3945 should be the default in next version of ubuntu, it does not require the restricted regulatory daemon like ipw3945 do.
[00:02] <bardyr> nice
[00:04] <Amaranth> yuhong: it already is
[00:04] <Amaranth> yuhong: afaik ipw3945 does not even exist in hardy
[00:04] <Amaranth> yuhong: but it was not ready in gutsy, intel had not yet certified it
[00:07] <yuhong> Thanks, I had to manually blacklist ipw3945 and load iwl3945 in gutsy.
[00:09] <rainwalker> when is the next hardy alpha coming out?
[00:12] <Tomcat_> rainwalker: Thursday probably.
[00:13] <rainwalker> sweet!
[00:13] <rainwalker> thanks
[00:13] <rainwalker> Aren't there daily builds somewhere?
[00:13] <yuhong> BTW, machine check is disabled in the gutsy kernel.
[00:13] <bardyr> hey, i have a problem with my X freezing and sound starts to repeat/hack, alt+ctrl+backspace or alt+ctrl+prt scr + k does not work
[00:14] <yuhong> And in general there are not as many kernels in ubuntu as in debian.
[00:14] <bardyr> im not sure how to debug it or find the sinner
[00:15]  * DanaG loves Magic Sysrq, but hates when he needs Magic Sysrq.
[01:09] <zeld> hi to all..
[01:11]  * Hobbsee waves
[01:37] <e-uoaphys> what does dapper, edgy, feisty, and gutsy gibbons and hardy heron mean?
[01:37] <e-uoaphys> are they names from toy story?
[01:39] <Pici> e-uoaphys: no..
[01:39] <Pici> !codenames | e-uoaphys
[01:39] <ubotu> e-uoaphys: Ubuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more
[01:39] <Pici> See that link for the rationale (?) behind them
[01:48] <WorkingOnWise>  /msg ubotu flash
[01:48] <WorkingOnWise> no ubotu?
[01:49] <Pici> Dont use the space in front of /msg
[01:51] <WorkingOnWise> hmmm...my keyboard has ghosts tonight....
[01:52] <WorkingOnWise> can I assume that flash in hardy is broken for the same reasons as in Gutsy and the same solution will  (hopefully) work for both?
[01:52] <iN00DLE> yes
[01:53] <iN00DLE> I had java 5.0 and things worked, upgraded to hardy and it broke again
[01:53] <iN00DLE> issue is with java
[01:54] <WorkingOnWise> I can live better with broke java than broke flash...
[01:54] <iN00DLE> your flash is broke?  I misread
[01:54] <iN00DLE> I have no issues with flash
[01:54] <Pici> Me either.
[01:55] <WorkingOnWise> hmmm....just, like rebooted into it 10 minutes ago... finished upgrading to Hardy 64bit and the only error i got was for flash nonfree
[01:56] <Hobbsee> how's flash broke now?
[01:56] <Pici> WorkingOnWise: Perhaps its something else, you are running 64bits...
[01:57] <albert23> some required 32 bit libs are missing in ia32-libs
[01:57] <WorkingOnWise> I may be assuming too much here. The error was just that it failed to install. I automaticlly blamed it on the change adobe made to the tar
[01:57] <WorkingOnWise> ball
[01:57] <iN00DLE> so you haven't tested if it works yet then?
[01:58] <WorkingOnWise> oh yes, I went to yahoo video and it said I needd flash, and none of the vides play
[01:58] <WorkingOnWise> I always test first :)
[01:58] <iN00DLE> I had that issue with firefox 3.0 on gutsy (32bit)
[01:58] <WorkingOnWise> it's assuming instantly I know the cause that gets me into trouble sometimes :)
[01:59] <iN00DLE> I don't recall how I fixed it, but the current repo of ff 3.0 on hardy works like a charm
[01:59] <WorkingOnWise> I wont be going to ff3 till my plugins catchup....
[01:59] <iN00DLE> was flash working in ff2 on gutsy for you?
[01:59] <WorkingOnWise> nope
[02:00] <albert23> WorkingOnWise: flash does not work because of bug 180478
[02:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180478 in ia32-libs "pulseaudio support, broken nspluginwrapper/flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180478
[02:01] <WorkingOnWise> albert23: ty. looking at it now...
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh goody
[02:04] <WorkingOnWise> well....looks like I might not be enjoying flash tonight after all....
[02:05] <|neon|> how can i update from gutsy to heron using apt?
[02:05] <DarkMageZ> |neon|, if you have to ask then we advise against it.
[02:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, firefox 3.0 doesn't see firefox plugins, unless you symlink the plugin dir.
[02:05] <DanaG> /usr/lib/firefox-3.0/plugins
[02:06] <DanaG> And be aware that some Firefox 2.0 plugins crash 3.0.
[02:07] <|neon|> DarkMageZ: i know that there is a chance i have to re-install everything again , just curious so i do not have to do a fresh install
[02:07] <Hobbsee> who needs flash anyway...
[02:07] <Hobbsee> |neon|: if you have to ask, don't run it.  see /topic
[02:08] <Gnine> -d
[02:09] <Gnine> and be ready to possibly having to resolve hostname or you wont be able to run sudo
[02:09] <Gnine> meep
[02:09] <Pici> be ready for anything
[02:09] <scizzo-> |neon|: when the time comes that you can go from gutsy -> hardy it will tell you in the update-manager
[02:10] <scizzo-> |neon|: that is when the release is stable....
[02:10] <Gnine> anyhow, i like the new kernel
[02:13] <Seeker`> how is heron running atm? is it broken often?
[02:16] <Pici> Seeker`: Its definitely not ready for release
[02:43] <jtt> hewus you around
[02:57] <Hewus> jtt: yes
[02:57] <Hewus> I just got hardy working this morning!
[02:57] <Hewus> I don't really know how tho
[02:59] <Hewus> I suspected it was something to do with grub not being able to see my other two HDDs, and after a lot of playing with grub 2 and various switching around, I made another menu for grub legacy and it worked!
[02:59] <Gnine> good for you that you have not found an hostname error, Hewus
[02:59] <Hewus> hostname error?
[02:59] <Gnine> i found it while apt upgrading from gutsy
[03:01] <Hewus> Gnine: I have gutsy on my sda1 and put hardy on sdb1. I had huge Error 15: File not found problems with grub. I didn't upgrade, just put it alongside gutsy :-)
[03:01] <Hewus> I wish I could pinpoint what it is I did that made it work, from what I can tell my menu.lst is the same
[03:01] <Hewus> actually I'll check it in detail now
[03:05] <Hewus> apart from a UUID change due to a format/reinstall, it's exactly the same. A very strange issue indeed.
[03:06] <Hewus> For the record, sdb is a WD SATA 200GB, in case someone knows there is an issue with that drive
[03:07] <Hewus> around 2.6.18 kernels, that drive is not detected in linux (eg debian etch, ubuntu dapper)
[03:07] <Hewus> I did a lot of testing on it haha, so much installing and changing of stuff..
[03:18] <Oli``> What kernel is the current dev version on?
[03:22] <DarkMageZ> 2.6.24
[03:22] <Oli``> cheers
[03:56] <wfarr> Anyone else had issues printing with devices that worked prior?
[03:58] <wfarr> ah nvm
[03:58] <wfarr> it wanted the usb URI instead of the hp
[04:14] <WorkingOnWise> I see a package in synaptic called irqbalance. it says it can balance interupts among multiple cores or cpus, and that usually interupts are typically serviced only by the by the first core. Is this something I need to be aprised of for my dual core laptop? AMD Turion.
[04:27] <kosha> Is it possible to install KDE4 RC2 on Kubuntu 8.04 Alpha2?
[04:28] <stdin> kosha: yes, just follow the guide in the #kubuntu topic just without adding the PPA repositories. all the packages are in universe
[04:34] <kosha> All right so following the guide to install KDE RC2 won't break my KDE3 correct/
[04:34] <kosha> ?
[04:47] <jimmygoon> How is the GUI revisions coming? Anything solid yet?
[04:52] <WorkingOnWise> where can I pose this question. Why do we now have 2 GUI's for Truecrypt in the repos, but truecrypt isn't in the repos?
[05:18] <jimmygoon> What are the two GUIs? I've been using cmd line and it is annoying :/
[05:35] <mohkohn> has the virtualbox-ose package in hardy been upgraded for the 2.6.24 kernel?
[05:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, speaking of VirtualBox:
[05:48] <DanaG> 1.5.4 has been released, and it fixes lots of stuff.
[06:01] <DanaG> !samba
[06:01] <ubotu> Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[06:49] <vwhydrowv> anyone around?
[06:50] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: what's up ?
[06:51] <vwhydrowv> im having issues with mounting a removable drive and ntfs-3g not recognizing read/write access
[06:52] <vwhydrowv> have u ran into this issue before?
[06:53] <aslaen> what's it say?
[06:53] <aslaen> what have you done...
[06:53] <vwhydrowv> on the mount point should i use the directory or the /dev/
[06:53] <aslaen> what do you mean... it should auto mount
[06:53] <aslaen> are you trying to mount manually.
[06:54] <vwhydrowv> its not
[06:54] <vwhydrowv> yes
[06:54] <aslaen> you can try
[06:54] <aslaen> mount -t nfs-3g /path/to/device /path/to/directory/to/mount
[06:54] <aslaen> change paths obviously
[06:55] <vwhydrowv> ok
[06:55] <vwhydrowv> ill try that
[06:55] <vwhydrowv> other issue with directly with ntfs-3g
[06:55] <vwhydrowv> but let me get this first
[06:55] <aslaen> you're running hardy right?
[06:55] <vwhydrowv> yup
[06:55] <vwhydrowv> wait, it finally mounted
[06:56] <vwhydrowv> under properties though, its not noticing it as a removable drive
[06:56] <vwhydrowv> its a usb drive
[06:56] <aslaen> well it is a USB drive right?
[06:56] <vwhydrowv> yes
[06:57] <vwhydrowv> which should show up as a removable drive right?
[06:57] <vwhydrowv> and when i try to change read-only to read+write it says, the permissions could not be changed, sorry, coulnt change the permissions of "drobo"
[06:57] <vwhydrowv> drobo being the removable drive
[06:58] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: did you mount it yourself or did it get mounted with hal ?
[06:58] <vwhydrowv> fairly new to linux, what is hal?
[06:59] <vwhydrowv> it mounted it on its own, just took a bit of time
[07:02] <vwhydrowv> u still there?
[07:03] <bullgard4> vwhydrowv: HAL stands for Hardware Abstraction Layer.
[07:04] <vwhydrowv> ok
[07:04] <vwhydrowv> well im not sure,
[07:04] <vwhydrowv> how do i check
[07:06]  * DanaG wishes ntfs-3g had an automatic fallback to read-only.
[07:06] <DanaG> Otherwise, it's so boggling when your volumes simply don't mount.
[07:07] <vwhydrowv> its definitely mounting now
[07:07] <vwhydrowv> just cant get read/write access
[07:11] <Laser87> vwhydrowv: try to mount it manually with umask=007
[07:11] <vwhydrowv> ok
[07:12] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: umm... and you have ntfs-3g and ntfs-config installed?
[07:12] <aslaen> did you run the config and tell it to make it writable?
[07:12] <vwhydrowv> yes
[07:12] <vwhydrowv> i do
[07:12] <vwhydrowv> yes i did
[07:14] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: what do you see /var/log/messages when it mounts it?
[07:14] <aslaen> what is the error if you type
[07:14] <aslaen> mount -o remount,rw /media/whatever ?
[07:14] <vwhydrowv> ok ill try that
[07:14] <aslaen> replace /media/whatever with where the drive is mounted.
[07:15] <vwhydrowv> hrm
[07:15] <vwhydrowv> command went through
[07:15] <vwhydrowv> lemme check
[07:15] <vwhydrowv> read only
[07:16] <vwhydrowv> when i change it via the gui, says permissions could not be changed
[07:16] <aslaen> do you see anything in /var/log/messages about it?
[07:17] <vwhydrowv> going to it now
[07:17] <AnAnt> Hello, hardy has a new module for broadcomm wifi cards, yet it automatically loads bcm43xx module, how can I make it automatically load the new module (b43) instead ?
[07:17] <aslaen> AnAnt: you can try adding bcm43xx to /etc/modules.d/blacklist or something like that
[07:18] <aslaen> oops
[07:18] <aslaen> modprobe.d
[07:18] <DanaG> Hmm, another bug: 75-persistent-net-generator.rules doesn't create rules for wmaster interfaces.
[07:18] <vwhydrowv> says write protect is off
[07:18] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: if you type mount
[07:19] <aslaen> does it ro or rw in the options for that drive?
[07:19] <aslaen> does it say*
[07:19] <vwhydrowv> rw
[07:19] <vwhydrowv> in the gui
[07:20] <AnAnt> aslaen: then ?
[07:20] <vwhydrowv> ok
[07:20] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: ok, so you should be ok then.. if you browse to that directory can you create a file?
[07:20] <vwhydrowv> 1 sec
[07:20] <vwhydrowv> no, sorry
[07:20] <vwhydrowv> read it wrong
[07:21] <vwhydrowv> looking at the logs
[07:22] <vwhydrowv> im not finding that info in the logs
[07:22] <Sonicadvance1> cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz w/ 1024 KB L2 Cache]
[07:22] <aslaen> AnAnt: do you have b43-fwcutter installed ?
[07:22] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: ya I know
[07:22] <aslaen> at the command line
[07:22] <aslaen> type "mount" without the quotes
[07:23] <Sonicadvance1> There is a problem on that line. a AMD Athlon 64 X2 has 2 CPU cores, why does Hardy think there is only one?
[07:23] <aslaen> and look at the device you are having problem with.
[07:24] <vwhydrowv> alot of stuff
[07:24] <vwhydrowv> what am i looking for specifically
[07:24] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: it should look like this.
[07:25] <vwhydrowv> oh
[07:25] <aslaen> $ mount
[07:25] <bardyr> Sonicadvance1, i have AMD 64 X2 tl-56 and im seeing 2 cores
[07:25] <aslaen> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[07:25] <aslaen> see where it has rw
[07:25] <vwhydrowv> .   /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw, errors=remount -ro)
[07:25] <aslaen> does it say rw or ro on the line for your usb drive?
[07:25] <Sonicadvance1> It used to see two cores
[07:26] <Sonicadvance1> Until recently when I decided to show someone my specs
[07:26] <vwhydrowv> ro
[07:26] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: and when you run "sudo mount -o remount,rw /media/usb/disk it works ?
[07:27] <vwhydrowv> says no such file or directory
[07:28] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: ya you're not supposed to type it just like that
[07:28] <aslaen> ok.. let's start over... where did the drive mount?
[07:28] <aslaen>  /media.... something
[07:28] <vwhydrowv> ya i am
[07:30] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: where did it mount the drive ?
[07:31] <vwhydrowv> .   /media/Drobo
[07:31] <vwhydrowv> i got someone going to ssh into it, i do appreciate you trying to help though man
[07:31] <vwhydrowv> im just too new to this
[07:33] <Sonicadvance1> So. I'm currently running on one core now. Anyone know how to fix this problem I seem to have gained?
[07:36] <AnAnt> aslaen: yes I do
[07:36] <AnAnt> aslaen: actually I modprobe b43 by hand and it works fine
[07:37] <AnAnt> aslaen: it's just that I want it to get loaded automatically
[07:37] <aslaen> AnAnt: uh. ok.. just one sec
[07:37] <DanaG> /etc/modules
[07:38] <aslaen> vwhydrowv: I'm glad you're running linux, but you should not be running hardy if you are not familiar with Linux.. it can cause problems you may not wanna fix :)
[07:40] <AnAnt> DanaG: isn't /etc/modules a deprecated method ?
[07:42] <vwhydrowv> aslaen, i chose hardy because of ntfs-3g
[07:42] <vwhydrowv> lol
[07:43] <Laser87> vwhydrowv: you can use GutsyGibbon with ntfs-3g too
[07:43] <aslaen> wraund: I run ntfs-3g in gutsy just fine
[07:43] <aslaen> Laser87: lol you beat me to it.
[07:44] <Laser87> But let's see - unmount /media/Drobo again
[07:45] <Laser87> And mount it with umask=007
[07:45] <vwhydrowv> so    sudo umask=007 /media/Drobo?
[07:45] <Laser87> no^^
[07:46] <Laser87> already unmounted?
[07:46] <vwhydrowv> not yet, actually i cant do anything at the present, someone is ssh'd into it and trying to fix it for me
[07:46] <vwhydrowv> i can in a few
[07:46] <vwhydrowv> if he cant get it working
[07:47] <vwhydrowv> its a friend of mine
[07:47] <Laser87> ah, ok - then I'll wait - tell if it works
[07:47] <vwhydrowv> ok
[07:50] <Laser87> But I have a question too - adding a new user destroyed all my rights. I've been in no group anymore. Took an older Kernel and added me to all groups again
[07:51] <Laser87> But still I don't have access to "users and groups" in the GUI (and a few other, I guess)
[07:52] <Laser87> and HAL also is not working - don't know if that depends (failed to initializ HAL)
[07:53] <Laser87> What could it be, that I cannot use "users and groups" after(!) typing in the pwd?
[07:55] <Sonicadvance> Just realized, I had Dual-Core Yesterday, and Yesterday I installed some updates. Today I restarted and now I don't have my other core
[07:59] <Laser87> I'm in the groups: joe adm dialout cdrom audio dip video plugdev lpadmin haldaemon admin usb - anything missing?
[08:02] <Laser87> no idea? And what about the HAL problem?
[08:19] <vwhydrowv> ok fixed
[09:52] <bullgard4> Laser87: I cannot help you much with your HAL problem particularly as you don't state the exact error message. But one hint: I once had a similar error message and got rid of it after I restored the Gnome menu system to its original format.
[10:06] <bullgard4> Laser87: May be you need to be a member of the groups floppy src powerdev usb scanner also. But this will depend on your particular circumstances.
[10:22] <Laser87> bullgard4: thx - I'll try
[11:41] <telexicon> are there known issues with unicode in hardy? All my chinese stuff shows up as ??? in gnome-terminal but it looks fine on my gutsy box
[12:32] <pvandewyngaerde> are there qt 4.4 packages for hardy ?
[12:43] <Ayabara> Anyone seen a vmware image for hardy?
[12:45] <Ayabara> found one on vmware's site (so nevermind) :-)
[13:08] <jtt> Hewus, are you around
[13:09] <Hewus> jtt: yes
[13:09] <Hewus> jtt: it's just past midnight here and I was about to head to bed :P
[13:09] <jtt> Hewus, i found your exact bug last night on launchpad
[13:09] <Hewus> jtt: I got hardy working but I don't really know how
[13:09] <Hewus> jtt: oh really!
[13:09] <jtt> ok wont keep you
[13:09] <Hewus> link?
[13:10] <Hewus> nah I can spare a few minutes :)
[13:10] <Hewus> I'd be interested in seeing the bug
[13:10] <jtt> let me see if i can find it again
[13:10] <Hewus> thank you
[13:10] <Hewus> jtt: I did a lot of installing and formatting, playing with grub, and eventually I got it working but I can't find out what changed exactly
[13:10] <jtt> i tried to send you email at  the address in  /whois but it failed
[13:11] <Hewus> oh, I don't believe I've set an address there, hmm
[13:11] <jtt> you didnt it was the one that irc picked up
[13:11] <Hewus> ah ok
[13:11] <jtt> in any case let me find it again and i will tell you the number
[13:11] <Hewus> yea I don't publicise my email if I can help it :-)
[13:11] <Hewus> thank you jtt
[13:12] <jtt> and you can bring it up and say you also have the problem
[13:12] <jtt> and i can mark it  confirmed and perhaps someone will
[13:12] <jtt> look at it.
[13:12] <jtt> where are you physically in the world
[13:13] <jtt> what country
[13:13] <Hewus> jtt: Sydney, Australia
[13:13] <jtt> ah yes, i am in georgia, usa
[13:13] <Hewus> :-)
[13:14] <Hewus> it is now Monday 7th January. Hello from the future! :P
[13:14] <jtt> later get some sleep
[13:14] <jtt> good bye from the past
[13:14] <Hewus> haha cya, have a good day :-)
[15:52] <slipttees> yo..ubuntu hardy don't changer backgourd!
[15:52] <slipttees> it is bug ?
[15:54] <slipttees> ??
[15:55] <tuxice> probably a bug. what are you trying to change the backround from (mozilla or an already installed)
[15:56] <slipttees> no add nothing photo in apparence!
[15:56] <slipttees> none photo*
[15:56] <tuxice> ?????
[15:56] <tuxice> youre trying to set a photo as a wallpaper
[15:56] <slipttees> i can't add new backgroud
[15:56] <slipttees> ok ?
[15:57] <tuxice> hmmmmm.... im not a dev but you should be able too
[15:58] <tuxice> you right click on desktop click -changedesktop backround - and then add - then navigate to /home/USER or whever the back is stored
[15:59] <tuxice> is that what you were doing
[15:59] <slipttees> yes
[16:00] <slipttees> i can't add
[16:00] <tuxice> no windows pops up to add? or is the button disabled
[16:00] <slipttees> no see new background in tab backgourd
[16:00] <slipttees> background*
[16:01] <tuxice> hmmmm report it in bugzilla
[16:03] <slipttees> reported!
[16:03] <slipttees> :-)
[16:04] <slipttees> launchpad reported!
[16:05] <tuxice> :)
[16:09] <Laser87> slipttees: Tried it with the GUI? system - preferences - screen-background (or something like that - my Ubuntu is German)?
[16:09] <slipttees> nope..double click in Desktop and charge backgourd
[16:10] <slipttees>  system - preferences - apparence ? Laser87 ?
[16:11] <slipttees> osp
[16:11] <slipttees> rigth click
[16:11] <slipttees> soory
[16:11] <slipttees> kkkk
[16:11] <slipttees> sorry*
[16:14] <Laser87> slipttees: In German it is Desktop-Hintergrund - desktop-background...
[16:14] <slipttees> eheehhe
[16:19] <tuxice> hi
[16:20] <slipttees> hi
[16:20] <tuxice> hi
[16:34] <Laser87> slipttees: Got your background?
[16:35] <slipttees> nope...I can't add new background
[16:35] <slipttees> i can change background of system default
[16:37] <Laser87> but?
[16:38] <slipttees> Got ?
[16:41] <Laser87> but u can't change what?
[16:43] <slipttees> i can change background default
[16:44] <slipttees> but add new i can't!
[16:47] <Laser87> ah ok...
[16:50] <Laser87> as a workaround u could cp your pic to the right folder, but plz don't ask me its name - otherwise no idea and I didn't test it on my Hardy-PC
[16:51] <Laser87> sry
[16:56] <Laser87> have to leave now - cu
[18:49] <henrix> I don't know if this is the right channel to ask but... here it goes:
[18:50] <henrix> last week lilypond package was broken after an upgrade of hardy and I open a new bug report on it
[18:50] <henrix> I also found a similar bug report on debian and linked it in the bug report.
[18:51] <henrix> this debian bug report refered to a workaround that was just to checkout the src pck, compile it and reinstall
[18:51] <henrix> I just tested this and it actually works.
[18:51] <henrix> shall I report it somewhere? in my bug report maybe...?
[18:52] <Tomcat_> henrix: Yes, mention it in your bug report.
[18:52] <henrix> Tomcat_: ok, thanks ;)
[19:07] <MrFeetio> I am getting a dependency error when I try yo update it, seems my libc6 isn't the needed version
[19:08] <MrFeetio> several bluetooth packages are not being upgraded, because of my libc6 problems(btw gusty 86_64)
[19:09] <MrFeetio> woops, wrong tab
[19:09] <MrFeetio> sorry
[19:09] <MrFeetio> I feel silly now
[19:11] <Pici> tuxice is batting 0 today...
[19:12] <Pici> oops
[19:13] <Pici> wrong tab, /me feels silly now.
[19:48] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hello short question: does anyone else have problems with avahi daemon not starting, I am using amd turion x2 with nvidia motherboard chipset
[19:51] <tuxice> lol
[19:54] <Redhammer_the_Ol> why lol ? is my question stupid ?
[19:54] <tuxice> no help help im being repressed
[20:05] <Redhammer_the_Ol> anybody got any ideas how to fix avahi daemon start failure
[20:07] <slipttees> ayo
[20:07] <slipttees> someone have problem with ethernet in the Hardy ?
[20:11] <slipttees> Whenever I leave the pc with the screen blocked after a few minutes or even hour, I am no internet, as if the dead had ethernet!
[20:11] <slipttees> :-(
[20:11] <Redhammer_the_Ol> lol I caaaannot even get an ip address
[20:11] <slipttees> me too
[20:12] <slipttees> problem in change ip address!
[20:13] <Redhammer_the_Ol> yes when I check my boot I can see the avahi daemon fails to start
[20:13] <slipttees> Redhammer_the_Ol, this :-)
[20:18] <slipttees> avahi-daemon[4769]: No service file found in /etc/avahi/services
[20:18] <Redhammer_the_Ol> but how to fix it
[20:18] <slipttees> ?
[20:19] <slipttees> Redhammer_the_Ol, Whenever I leave the pc with the screen blocked after a few minutes or even hour, I'm without internet, as if the dead had ethernet!
[20:36] <AnAnt> Hello, I got a problem in Hardy Alpha2, I get several interfaces for the wireless interface: eth1 and wlan0_rename, and eth1 has a wierd hardware address
[20:36] <AnAnt> and the NetworkManager cannot connect using the wireless interface wlan0_rename, so I have to bring it up manually
[20:36] <AnAnt> is there a solution for this ?
[20:38] <slipttees> AnAnt, problem Look
[20:38] <slipttees> i have problem look
[20:39] <slipttees> ip static problem
[20:39] <slipttees> :S
[20:39] <AnAnt> ?
[20:39] <slipttees> hardy avahi problem
[20:40] <slipttees> check boot it fails in startup
[20:40] <slipttees> :S
[20:40] <AnAnt> dunno about avahi
[20:41] <slipttees> AnAnt, Whenever I leave the pc with the screen blocked after a few minutes or even hour, I'm without internet, as if the dead had ethernet!
[20:41] <slipttees> i need reboot!
[20:41] <slipttees> :S
[20:42] <AnAnt> dunno
[20:43] <AnAnt> gotta sleep anyways
[20:46] <hit> hit@hit:~$ glxgears
[20:46] <hit> Xlib:  extension "ATIFGLRXDRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[20:46] <hit> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[20:46] <hit> anyone?
[20:46] <hit> ati drivers
[20:46] <hit> not official
[20:47]  * Roy slaps » JiMiGj « around a bit with a large trout :)
[20:47]  * JiMiGj slaps Roy around a bit with a large trout
[20:47]  * Roy HëHë » JiMiGj « Slaps BacK! ;)
[20:47] <JiMiGj> hahhaha
[20:47] <JiMiGj> ..
[20:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> anybody got any idea to fix the static ip address / avahi daemon issue
[21:42] <MGrunde> Is the flash plugin broken?
[21:42] <MGrunde> on x64?
[21:42] <crimsun> yes.
[21:43] <crimsun> (meaning x86_64)
[21:43] <MGrunde> Yeah.
[21:43] <crimsun> it's technically not flashplugin-nonfree at fault; it's ia32-libs
[21:44] <MGrunde> Ah.  I don't suppose there's a workaround?
[21:44]  * BluesKaj decides to stick with Gutsy for now :)
[21:44] <crimsun> there's some script floating around on the forum that you can use to grab the libs
[21:44] <MGrunde> ubuntuforums?
[21:44] <crimsun> it does clobber ia32-libs, however, so be warned.
[21:45] <crimsun> yes, that one.
[21:45] <MGrunde> Okay, thanks a lot.
[22:21] <BluesKaj> what's a fairly fast hardy download source for North America ?
[22:35] <yoda> anyone alive?
[22:39] <crimsun> well, yes.
[22:39] <yoda> just afk...?
[22:39] <crimsun> well, busy, yes.
[22:39] <yoda> all 152 of you... it always fascinates me how IRC seems to defy the laws of probability
[22:41] <crimsun> did you have something to ask? :)
[22:41] <yoda> probably, gdm/xfce and kde all hang on load in hardy... I'm borrowing a GUI from a neighbouring system atm, but it's not a permanent solution =\ so I decided to appeal for help
[22:42] <crimsun> is it reproducible on a fresh boot?
[22:43] <yoda> well yes
[22:44] <yoda> but I don't like rebooting it, I have a few daemon's I'd rather not vanquish :P
[22:45] <yoda> oops, don't know how that apostrophe got in there...
[22:45] <yoda> daemons*
[22:55] <crimsun> yoda: it's best to see if a bug is filed against the display manager or sessions
[22:55] <crimsun> yoda: if not, go ahead and file one using Launchpad.net
[22:57] <yoda> good poa, I'll go ahead and do that, thanks
[23:08] <Laney> Is kde4 packaging broken atm?
[23:33] <crimsun> nothing like a sigsegv-happy evolution while attempting to compose e-mail regarding linux patches.
[23:34] <yoda> yeah there is, there's a sigsegv-happy thunderbird while attempting to compose e-mail regarding linux patches
[23:34] <yoda> I think that's one of the main ideals of open-source, in fact, is that the end-user should have a choice of software... isn't it?
[23:35] <crimsun> I don't think so.  This isn't utopia; it's IRC.
[23:36] <yoda> oh... I thought... so where's utopia? can I apt-get that? :P
[23:38] <crimsun> not any easier than you can apt-get IRC.
[23:39] <yoda> good point
[23:40] <yoda> mind you, I have a sneaking suspicion that "apt-get install irc" would work, I think there's a client called "irc"
[23:40] <yoda> although it might be ircii I'm thinking of
[23:41] <crimsun> E: Invalid operation IRC
[23:41] <crimsun> likewise:
[23:41] <crimsun> E: Invalid operation utopia
[23:41] <yoda> :s that's "apt-get irc" not "apt-get install irc"
[23:41] <yoda> same with utopia
[23:42]  * crimsun makes sure he typed 'apt-get IRC' four minutes ago
[23:43] <yoda> yeah ok, I get what you're saying
[23:43] <yoda> but I didn't mean apt-get, I meant apt-get install
[23:44] <crimsun> :)
[23:44] <yoda> I was under the impression it was a legitimate abbreviation...
[23:44] <crimsun> too many legit operations can be given to apt-get :-)
[23:45] <yoda> install, update, upgrade, autoremove, remove, clean, dist-upgrade, check
[23:45] <yoda> any I'm missing?
[23:46] <crimsun> yeah, see apt-get(8)  :-)
[23:47] <yoda> I'm missing 3
[23:47] <yoda> autoclean, clean, source
[23:47] <yoda> oh and dselect-upgrade
[23:47] <yoda> so 4
[23:48] <crimsun> 2.6.24-rc7 time.


[16:05] <dpm> happyaron, great post on Input Methods, I've just posted it on the translators FB page :)
[16:06] <happyaron> dpm: :)
[16:07] <andrejz> link, please :)
[16:07] <happyaron> http://blogs.gnome.org/happyaron/2011/01/15/linux-input-method-brief-summary/
[16:08] <andrejz> cool, thanks


[12:52] <joelbryan> Hi, I just found out oem-config is in GTK+ mode
[04:19] <minghua> Is there any place I can find old source pacakges that was in dapper?
[04:20] <minghua> I can find old binary packages in launchpad, but now the source
[04:22] <raphink> I think the sources get removed
[04:22] <raphink> permanently
[04:22] <minghua> :'-(
[04:22] <minghua> then why are we keeping the binaries?
[04:44] <dark_light> distributing the source without the binaries isn't a viollation of gpl, raphink ?
[04:45] <raphink> no it's not
[04:45] <raphink> of course
[04:45] <raphink> distributing the binaries without the source is
[04:46] <dark_light> ooops
[04:46] <dark_light> i meant distributing the binaries without source
[04:47] <raphink> yes
[04:49] <LaserJock> hi raphink
[05:30] <wasabi_> mdz: i notice there are mythtv packages on marillat's site. Those Ubuntu-compat?
[05:30] <wasabi_> are they yours?
[05:31] <wasabi_> Oops. I found a message that says you no longer maintain them. ;)
[06:04] <dotwaffle> Damn timezones!
[06:05] <_ion> Amen.
[06:06] <dotwaffle> Much as I hate Swatch for doing it, their "beat" system or "internet time" is damn appealing.
[06:06] <_ion> Yep.
[06:06] <dotwaffle> Which timezone are you?
[06:06] <_ion> su maaliskuun 26. 07:06:53 EEST 2006
[06:07] <dotwaffle> suomalainen?
[06:07] <_ion> Yep.
[06:07] <dotwaffle> I work for Assemlby Organizing Oy during the Summer ;)
[06:07] <_ion> Cool. :-)
[06:08] <dotwaffle> Interestingly enough, sladen was on about bringing an Ubuntu stall to Assembly this year, would be good to have an open source company there - Microsoft getting the cold shoulder from the guests isn't funny anymore :S
[06:08] <_ion> That would be cool.
[06:08] <dotwaffle> I work for the media division "livecrew" and was head of Production last year, so I could even get him some national airtime ;)
[06:09] <dotwaffle> anyway, enough of that.
[06:30] <fabbione> slomo_: ping?
[06:33] <neuralis> fabbione: hey, did the cd md5 checker ever get unblocked?
[06:35] <fabbione> neuralis: no
[06:35] <fabbione> it's still in admin queue.. and deferred
[06:35] <neuralis> fabbione: okay, thanks. i'll reflect that in the book.
[06:36] <fabbione> neuralis: thanks
[06:40] <_ion> "Germans risk two years in prison if they illegally download films and music for private use under a new law agreed yesterday." Good that the legislation finally punishes piracy harsher than lesser crimes such as murder or rape.
[09:35] <infinity> Riddell: If you're going to be updating libapt-front, you need to update debtags as well, which is FTBFS with the newer versions.
[09:47] <sladen> dotwaffle: yeah, we should follow that up some more :)
[11:40] <Pygi> pitti: around?
[11:42] <spacey> hi Pygi:)
[11:42] <spacey> good morning
[11:42] <Pygi> mornin' spacey ;)
[11:43] <Pygi> spacey: good work on the wiki for now, but we have a lot more to do ^_^
[11:43] <spacey> Pygi: i'll be away from home monday-wednesday, so have a little less time
[11:44] <spacey> but we can finish it up a the meeting, but as long we have something to start from
[11:44] <Pygi> spacey: no problem at all ;)
[11:44] <spacey> :>
[11:44] <Pygi> Do we have anyone by now who wants to contribute?
[11:46] <siretart> Pygi: I installed nm 0.6.1 on my girlfriends laptop yesterday
[11:46] <Pygi> siretart: and? ^_^
[11:47] <siretart> Pygi: and made her connect to my wpa-psk2 secured network. she has an ipw2200 adapter, and on the second try, it worked
[11:47] <siretart> no idea why it didn't succeed in the first place, but in the second time it worked
[11:47] <Pygi> siretart: great, altought it should work on first try ;)
[11:47] <siretart> what we both found very very annoying is that nm uses gnome-keyring to store the passwords
[11:47] <Pygi> siretart: we need to get wpasupplicant promoted to main, so we'll have official packages ;)
[11:47] <siretart> it is not possible to have that unsecured
[11:47] <Pygi> siretart: ah, yes, I know :-/
[11:48] <siretart> Pygi: I've built the official 0.6.1 nm packages from the archives
[11:48] <Pygi> siretart: I don't know why it still hasn't been promoted, when it's accepted ;)
[11:48] <siretart> using wpasupplicant from the archive
[11:49] <Pygi> siretart: ah, ok, glad it worked ^_^
[11:49] <Pygi> spacey: you alive? ^_^
[11:49] <siretart> Pygi: wpasupplicant does not need to be promoted to main, afaiu, because it is only a recommends
[11:49] <j^> Pygi any idea what to do about orinoco_pci/hostap_pci cards?
[11:49] <j^> 0.6.1 does not work at all for me for WEP anymore
[11:49] <siretart> Pygi: but to be serious, up to now, nm seems to be only a solution to ipw users. no other drivers seem to be supported similar well
[11:50] <Pygi> siretart: yes, I know, but n-m is still in building queue
[11:50] <Pygi> because of wpasupplicant
[11:50] <siretart> j^: she uses wep at home, she will tell me if that still works for her
[11:50] <siretart> Pygi: because of libnl, at least when I last looked at it
[11:50] <siretart> _ion: I think he doesn't work on sundays
[11:50] <_ion> I sent him a message about the n-m build-deps using MemoServ a few days ago.
[11:50] <_ion> I don't know whether he has received it.
[11:51] <siretart> I havn't seen him ircing since friday
[11:51] <spacey> Pygi: pong
[11:51] <Pygi> siretart: nop. now it's because wpa-supplicant
[11:51] <siretart> ah, yes, your right: http://librarian.launchpad.net/1840598/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-i386.network-manager_0.6.1-0ubuntu1_MANUALDEPWAIT.txt.gz
[11:51] <Pygi> spacey: well, why don't you respond? ^_^ Do we have anyone by now willing to contribute?
[11:51] <siretart> but I'm not happy with the wpasupplicant package in dapper
[11:51] <spacey> Pygi: sorry was busy
[11:52] <crimsun> we definitely need to do something about the upgrade path
[11:52] <siretart> we are working in the pkg-wpa team on nice packages.
[11:52] <siretart> right
[11:52] <Pygi> siretart: it's not *that* bad
[11:52] <crimsun> I'm surprised it was uploaded as-is
[11:52] <siretart> crimsun: so was I. believe me
[11:52] <spacey> Pygi: you and me :P We'll see at the meeting. its not really useful to call out for contribution before anyway.
[11:52] <siretart> Pygi: it is horrible, because it breaks existing installations
[11:53] <Pygi> siretart: yes, aware of that I am afraid :-/
[11:53] <Pygi> spacey: O joy ^_^ And what if none else would be willing to contribute? :-/
[11:54] <spacey> Pygi: well i will make my collegue contribute as well
[11:54] <Pygi> spacey: ah,ok
[11:54] <spacey> but thats only 1 :p
[11:54] <spacey> i'm sure it will be fine
[11:54] <siretart> Pygi: Perhaps you/we should update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperNetworkManager to not point to tonios archive anymore
[11:54] <Pygi> siretart: wrong, I told you wrong ;) WPAsupplicant is going to main, because we agreed that we are going to ship it on a cp
[11:54] <siretart> his archive seems to be quite outdated
[11:55] <Pygi> siretart: official n-m doesn't exist yet anyway
[11:55] <Seveas> Pygi, there has been no such agreement yet
[11:55] <siretart> Pygi: it does. how do you think I'm using it ;)
[11:55] <siretart> Pygi: the source is available in the archive since some time
[11:55] <Pygi> siretart: ah, yes, the source ;)
[11:55] <Pygi> Seveas: hm, yes it was ... talk to pitti if you don't truest me ;)
[11:56] <Pygi> spacey: ah, yes it will be fine ;)
[11:56] <Seveas> Pygi, they *may* be in ship if *they are good enough*, but they're really really far away from even remotely goof enough
[11:56] <siretart> Pygi: anyway, http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu needs updating. the packages in there look quite broken with uptodate dapper
[11:56] <siretart> Seveas++
[11:57] <Pygi> siretart: ah,k
[11:57] <siretart> what I've seen today is that it has this annoying dependencies on gnome-keyring and that it seems to only work with ipw resonably well
[11:58] <Pygi> siretart: nah, we've had a lot of reports where it works
[11:58] <Pygi> much more reports where it works then where it doesn't
[11:58] <siretart> Pygi: on madwifi? on acx? on ipw2100?
[11:58] <siretart> what about ndiswrapper?
[11:59] <Pygi> yes, on madwifi, ndiswrapper as well
[11:59] <Pygi> on ipw2100 as well
[11:59] <siretart> madwifi as in madwifi-ng or madwifi-old?
[11:59] <Pygi> madwifi-old
[11:59] <Pygi> some people experience disconnects, but just a few
[11:59] <siretart> Pygi: could you please link to such success and failure stories on the wiki page?
[11:59] <Pygi> siretart: hm, it's on the forums, but I'll do my best ^_^
[12:00] <siretart> sorry
[12:00] <Pygi> no problems
[12:00] <siretart> not activeley, that is
[12:00] <Burgundavia> forums are a horrible place for longterm data, but great for chatting
[12:00] <Pygi> siretart: links to threads about new N-M along with that stories, is already in the wiki
[12:00] <siretart> yeah. perhaps you can link to releavant forum threads
[12:01] <Pygi> siretart: linked already ^_^
[12:01] <siretart> Pygi: there are some horribly long threads linked from there. I'm not gonna click through 20 pages to get my opinion
[12:01] <crimsun> please summarise
[12:01] <siretart> yes. that would help
[12:01] <crimsun> a graph/chart is best
[12:01] <Pygi> crimsun, siretart: ah,ok, will do ^_^
[12:06] <Seveas> siretart, have you seen bug 36614?
[12:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36614 in wpasupplicant "wpa-driver-file implementation" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36614
[12:07] <Seveas> siretart, it looks both like serious crack and serious help (only need to configure interface, wpa_supplicant knows the rest if packagers provide these files)
[12:14] <siretart> Seveas: like said above, I'm not happy with the current wpa package in dapper
[12:15] <siretart> Seveas: Keybuk took the work-in-progress on our experimental packages and uploaded them to dapper. Kel wasn't finished yet at that time
[12:15] <Seveas> hmm
[12:15] <siretart> Seveas: we (= crimsun, kelmo and me) are working in the pkg-wpa team on alioth on nice wpa packages
[12:15] <siretart> perhaps and with some luck, we can upload that to debian next week. well, we'll see
[12:15] <Seveas> all I can say is "works fine for me" - if you need testers for any new packages: just poke me
[12:16] <infinity> siretart: So upload some fixes.  It's still in universe.  Just don't repackage it (again and again..)
[12:16] <siretart> infinity: we already switched to cdbs on debian :(
[12:16] <siretart> infinity: you know, we are working on some nice ifupdown integration
[12:16] <siretart> infinity: kelmo has even integrated roaming to that new world order
[12:16] <siretart> infinity: but it still needs testing and documentation
[12:17] <infinity> kelmo?
[12:17] <siretart> infinity: I've even worked on a interim solution to the new world order, in order to make bug sumitters in debian/unstable happy
[12:18] <crimsun> Kel Modderman<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:18] <siretart> kelmo is the third man in our pkg-wpa team on alioth. he did the work on ifupdown integration
[12:18] <infinity> Erm, so kylem isn't working on the Debian side of it anymore?
[12:19] <siretart> kyle is still in the maintainer field, but he seems to be very busy lately. we havn't heard from him since some time
[12:19] <infinity> I assume you've been keeping him in the loop about all this, though?
[12:19] <infinity> It's pretty unfriendly to repackage using cdbs (or whatever) without consent from all the maintainers.
[12:20] <siretart> everything goes via<EMAIL_ADDRESS>a list he created
[12:20] <infinity> Fair enough.
[12:20] <siretart> and we work on the alioth svn only. so he should be informed about everything
[12:21] <siretart> well, I'm off for a few hours. cu later
[12:22] <netdur> hey, to what package should this bug belong? http://www.flickr.com/photos/77122833@N00/118048954/
[12:24] <infinity> Package: rhythmbox; Subject: Should blacklist Kylie Minogue songs to avoid long term damage to users.
[12:25] <_ion> :-D
[12:25] <netdur> he he
[12:28] <netdur> serious... what package that's?
[12:28] <infinity> Which bug?  The weird shape in the bubble?
[12:28] <netdur> ah... bubble looks strange
[12:29] <infinity> Not positive what actually draws the bubbles...
[12:29] <Mithrandir> notification-daemon, I thought
[12:30] <infinity> Different bubbles.
[12:30] <infinity> These are the new GNOME panel/applet egg bubbles.
[12:31] <infinity> Anyhow, if you file it on your music player, someone should be able to redirect the bug in the right place.
[12:31] <infinity> Someone who's not me, clearly.
[12:32] <netdur> okay... I will file it to rb
[12:32] <netdur> thanks
[12:34] <netdur> done
[12:37] <infinity> greenpenguin13-a: Please turn off the verbose (and coloured?) away messages in this channel.
[12:37] <greenpenguin13-a> woops
[12:37] <greenpenguin13-a> sorry
[12:38] <Tm_T> whoooo
[12:38] <Tm_T> colours ;(
[12:44] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:10] <_ion> I have seen that notification bubble bug with update-notifier as well.
[01:11] <_ion> Oh, and nm-applet.
[02:14] <slomo_> fabbione: pong?
[02:15] <fabbione> slomo_: hey
[02:15] <fabbione> slomo_: i am taking a lock on mono ubunu6 -> ubuntu7
[02:15] <fabbione> slomo_: adding some interesting stuff
[02:16] <fabbione> slomo_: but i need sometime to run the entire build/testsuite and rebuild a few packages
[02:17] <slomo_> fabbione: what will you add in ubuntu7? :) and where did you get it from?
[02:17] <fabbione> slomo_: sparc support, david s. miller via mono svn.
[02:17] <fabbione> it's all upstream stuff
[02:17] <fabbione> so no biggie..
[02:18] <fabbione> but i need the time to test it
[02:18] <fabbione> if it works it will be in the archive by tomorrow and you can take over again
[02:18] <fabbione> does it work for you?
[02:18] <slomo_> fabbione: cool :) i didn't plan any new mono uploads in the next time so feel free to test it as extensively as needed before uploading ;)
[02:18] <fabbione> slomo_: ok thanks
[02:19] <slomo_> fabbione: how big will the patch be btw? should be rather small as solaris/sparc support is already there afaik...
[02:20] <fabbione> slomo_: they are small and in debian/patches
[02:20] <fabbione> i didn't change the packaging or anything
[02:20] <fabbione> just added
[02:20] <fabbione> and modified debian/control
[02:21] <fabbione> for the Architecture: field
[02:21] <fabbione> (all documented in the changelog)
[02:21] <j^> right now orinoco_pci is loaded for Prism 2/2.5/3 chips, but hostap_pci is much better, specially with the NM patch in bug 36708
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36708 in network-manager "[PATCH]  wpa_supplicant needs to know about hostap driver" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36708
[02:21] <slomo_> fabbione: cool :) good work :) i'm really interested in looking at the patches later :)
[02:21] <j^> which package is responsible for the module order
[02:21] <fabbione> slomo_: it's mostly asm stuff..
[02:21] <j^> or is the only way to blacklist orinoco_pci?
[02:21] <fabbione> and they are upstream svn
[02:22] <mdke> i was looking at some errors in a build log - it looks like they are due to the machine not having internet access: is that possible?
[02:23] <slomo_> fabbione: ok thanks :)
[02:26] <fabbione> slomo_: no problem
[02:26] <fabbione> mdke: buildd must not have internet access and pkgs that requires so to build are bad
[02:27] <mdke> fabbione, oh. in all cases?
[02:27] <fabbione> yes
[02:27] <mdke> hmm
[02:27] <mdke> i've never seen this problem before
[02:27] <mdke> has internet access recently been removed?
[02:28] <fabbione> it was never there
[02:29] <fabbione> and it's not a problem.. it's absolutely normal
[02:29] <mdke> i mean, the problem while building
[02:30] <j^> after reading up on hostap_pci vs. orinoco_pci, it looks like orinoco_pci should be blacklisted, have to check for orinoco_cs vs. hostap_cs
[02:30] <fabbione> mdke: if you can be more specific on at least what package you are talking about
[02:31] <fabbione> mdke: perhaps the log?
[02:31] <mdke> fabbione, ok. go to http://librarian.launchpad.net/1838629/buildlog_ubuntu-dapper-i386.ubuntu-docs_6.03.4_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz and search on "oasis"
[02:31] <mdke> it is failing to find the dtd for docbook xml
[02:32] <fabbione> mdke: ok.. it's an error in the packaging and/or source
[02:32] <fabbione> have seen it before
[02:33] <mdke> we'll have to change the documents to use a local dtd
[02:33] <mdke> or maybe we can just ignore the warnings in the build
[02:37] <mdke> yeah, ignoring must be the way forward, i don't see that we can change the reference to the online document in the doctype
[02:41] <fabbione> mdke: the kernel used to do the same and it has been patches upstream. i really see no reason why you can't do the same
[02:42] <mdke> fabbione, do you know what the solution was? I don't like the idea of changing the doctype for the documents
[02:43] <fabbione> it was patched to use local doctypes
[02:43] <fabbione> that oh.. my dear.. they are the same as on the website..
[02:45] <siretart> _ion: re the wep problem with nm_0.6.1: my girlfriend is just chatting with me over her WEP secured network with network manager
[02:46] <mdke> fabbione, my dear?
[02:46] <_ion> WEP "secured" network? ;-)
[02:46] <siretart> _ion: YMMV, right. ;)
[02:50] <infinity> mdke: docbook XML DTDs are in the "docbook-xml" package, oddly enough.
[02:58] <j^> hm, pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
[02:58] <j^> nothing more...
[02:58] <j^> it works with Cardbus cards
[02:59] <infinity> PCMCIA is scary ISAPNP fu.
[03:00] <infinity> You may well need pcmcia card services running and such to make old pcmcia cards work.
[03:00] <infinity> (Whereas CardBus is basically just hotplug PCI)
[03:02] <j^> /etc/init.d/pcmcia start
[03:02] <j^>  * Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 requires pcmciautils instead of pcmcia-cs
[03:02] <j^> hmhmhm
[03:09] <j^> no pcmcia support and only cardbus is quite a regression
[03:10] <infinity> Do you have pcmciautils installed?
[03:11] <Mithrandir> cardbus is handled by the hotplug pci layer, iirc.
[03:11] <infinity> Mithrandir: Yes, but PCMCIA isn't.
[03:11] <Mithrandir> mpe
[03:18] <j^> infinity sure i have pcmciautils installed
[03:22] <infinity> j^: Did the card in question work in breezy with pcmcia-cs?
[03:23] <infinity> j^: If so, I'd file a but on pcmciautils (which may or may not get reassigned to the kernel..)
[03:23] <j^> if i remember right it did
[03:23] <j^> i have one orinoco silver, one linksys ver.3 and one AVM isdn controller B1
[03:24] <mdke> infinity, yeah, I'm aware of that. But reading the dtd, it says to declare the doctype using the online url. I'll read up more
[03:25] <infinity> mdke: You do declare using the URL, generally, but with docbook-xml instealled (you don't build-dep on it), it should Just Work anyway, IIRC.
[03:28] <mdke> sure, it probably would
[03:28] <mdke> but it already Just Works :)
[03:29] <mdke> I'm gonna look and see what the gnome-user-docs do
[03:30] <mdke> yeah they use the online one too
[03:31] <infinity> mdke: But they probably build-dep on docbook-xml. :)
[03:31] <infinity> (Or theirs doesn't work right either)
[03:31] <infinity> mdke: I'm going to do a local test in a chroot without network access right now.
[03:31] <pimp^air> hi
[03:32] <pimp^air> upgrading from breezy to dapper confused my alsa configuration as it changes the order of the cards on every boot. is this something to discuss in here or shall i file a bug?
[03:32] <infinity> pimp^air: Bug please.
[03:33] <pimp^air> 'k
[03:33] <mdke> infinity, in gnome's case, they don't build html at the build stage, or at all. they just ship the xml
[03:34] <mdke> infinity, if adding the build-dep solves it, lemme know and I'll add it in our svn. If not, we can leave it, I think, unless you tell me that the warnings in the log are a really bad thing
[03:35] <pimp^air> where does autoloading of the modules take place in dapper?
[03:36] <infinity> mdke: Just verified locally, if you build-dep on docbook-xml, it'll Just Work.
[03:37] <infinity> pimp^air: udev.
[03:38] <mdke> infinity, fantastic, thanks for going to the trouble of doing that
[03:39] <infinity> mdke: NP.
[04:14] <j^> after rebooting several times i was going to looks for a way to silence grub a bit, there is even a patch bug 20736
[04:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 20736 in grub "Would be very nice to hide grub spew on boot" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/20736
[04:21] <KaiL> ...even suppresses the "press ESC for menu"?
[04:25] <infinity> I would hope not.
[07:13] <soumyadip> anyone know why prozilla was removed from the universe after hoary ?
[08:23] <slomo_> fabbione: good work :) would be nice to have everything working on sparc
[08:23] <fabbione> slomo_: it does work just fine..
[08:24] <slomo_> fabbione: was this the only part of main that was missing for sparc?
[08:24] <fabbione> slomo_: yes
[08:25] <slomo_> :)
[08:26] <fabbione> slomo_: for the next week or so, let's keep in touch to coordinate possible uploads
[08:26] <fabbione> David tends to produce a copious amount of code/bugfixing per day
[08:27] <siretart> how to use pdb in xemacs?
[08:27] <fabbione> slomo_: also... you might want to take a debdiff and send it to Debian but tell them they need at least glibc 2.4 and kernel 2.6.17
[08:27] <fabbione> (stuff we do have backported)
[08:28] <slomo_> fabbione: i already talked to the debian maintainer. but he isn't interested, he wants to wait for a release with sparc support
[08:28] <fabbione> slomo_: ok
[08:29] <yves> how to properly help on bugs in main packages? After making a patch and sending to malone, what else? wait until a maintainer catch it up?
[08:29] <fabbione> slomo_: good he doesn't want it.. somebody is going to say soon that we didn't push it
[08:29] <slomo_> fabbione: but the only thing i plan to do for mono in the next days would possibly be an update to the <IP_ADDRESS> bugfix release...
[08:29] <fabbione> yves: assuming the patch is good yes
[08:30] <slomo_> fabbione: hehe, the cooperation between the debian mono group and us is in general very good... so nobody should complain there :)
[08:30] <yves> Ubugtu, bug #26601
[08:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 26601 in bittornado bittornado-gui "btdownloadgui crashes on startup" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/26601
[08:30] <fabbione> slomo_: sounds ok to me... i don't really care.. i just want sparc to fly high :)
[08:34] <slomo_> fabbione: will you care for all the million give-backs that are possible now on sparc?
[08:35] <fabbione> slomo_: there is no need to
[08:35] <fabbione> all the packages are DepWait on libmono-dev and chain
[08:35] <fabbione> they will unblock themself
[08:35] <fabbione> already checked :
[08:35] <fabbione> :)
[09:20] <sladen> infinity: bug #29767 seems to suggest that 2.6.16 fixes some of the IDE issues, so that may help with #6367 aswell.
[10:46] <zbbb> hello, i'm looking for some way to throttle my network throughput. any ideas?
[10:48] <neuralis> zbbb: see lartc.org. this is not the appropriate channel; in the future, please ask on #ubuntu.
[10:48] <yves> or #ubuntu-server
[10:48] <zbbb> thanks!
[10:48] <neuralis> yves: it's a general linux question. #ubuntu is best.
[10:48] <yves> well ok
[10:49] <zbbb> btw: this throttling functionality is a useful one that is not visible in any control panel of ubuntu
[10:49] <zbbb> that's why i asked it here. maybe it should be a good theme for further development
[10:50] <neuralis> zbbb: write a specification on the ubuntu wiki, and we'll be happy to consider it at the next developer meeting.
[10:50] <zbbb> do you have any specific url?
[10:51] <neuralis> zbbb: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec -- then use the SpecTemplate it mentions when creating your new spec.
[10:51] <zbbb> thanks again
[10:52] <neuralis> zbbb: sure. you can see the list of dapper specs here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specs ; clicking on one of them lets you hit 'read more' to see their wiki spec.
[10:53] <dotwaffle> sladen: ping re/ Assembly06
[10:55] <sladen> dotwaffle: ubuntu-marketing@lists.  is the place to raise this and then get in contact with finnish people like mjr and the other sange.fi people who did the Ubuntu Finnish localisation
[10:56] <dotwaffle> Is it majordomo or is there a sign-up page?
[10:59] <neuralis> dotwaffle: lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[10:59] <dotwaffle> yeah, found it through gmnane, cheers
[11:02] <fabbione> yves: #ubuntu-server is not appropriate either.
[11:16] <neuralis> infinity: ping
[11:19] <yves> fabbione, sorry
[11:23] <TheMuso> c
[11:40] <wasabi_> haha now the notification color is puke yellow.
[11:40] <wasabi_> I love you guys.
[11:55] <KaiL> uhm, are there any plans to fix DVD playback in totem for dapper release? ;)
[11:56] <mjg59> KaiL: To the extent possible under various laws, yes
[11:56] <robertj> mjg59: any plans to prompt users about setting a region?
[11:56] <mjg59> robertj: No
[11:57] <KaiL> mjg59, I thought more about the problem gstreamer0.10 not to be able to read DVDs at all...;)
[11:57] <mjg59> Region coding is fairly uninteresting in comparison to CSS
[11:57] <mjg59> KaiL: gstreamer0.10 can read DVDs fine
[11:57] <robertj> mjg59: new drives won't play without a region will they?
[11:57] <mjg59> robertj: Hm. My experience is that they tend to, but I haven't had an unregioned drive for some time
[11:57] <KaiL> robertj, afaik the region is already set in the firmware to the region, where the drive got sold, or?
[11:58] <robertj> KaiL: I have a new Dell and it was not
[11:58] <mjg59> KaiL: No, PC drivers are often sold unregioned
[11:58] <psusi> no.. new drives come with no region set and you have to set one correctly when you get the drive
[11:58] <mjg59> (Not all regions)
[11:58] <robertj> andi t wouldn't play until I used setregion from the command line
[11:58] <KaiL> hum, really?
[11:59] <KaiL> didn't have such problems here with drives from BenQ (that one had only other problems), LG, NEC, Panasonic and Toshiba
[11:59] <robertj> so my understanding is if I owned Joe's Computer store in Country X where it was perfectly fine, it would take some doing to get it to work
[11:59] <KaiL> mjg59, I thought about this DVD-Problem: {i} Note: "With Ubuntu 6.04 (Dapper Drake), the gstreamer dvd plugin has not been ported to the new version of gstreamer, 0.10. Please use the xine backend. "
[11:59] <KaiL> ..from the wiki "RestrictedFormats"
[11:59] <mjg59> KaiL: Progress has been made since then
[12:00] <KaiL> but problem still exists - just tried..
[12:00] <mjg59> KaiL: This isn't the place to report bugs
[12:01] <robertj> KaiL: same result here btw
[12:01] <KaiL> wasn't thought as such - but some types of bugs are way better to get verified as known here, then with a bugreport waiting to get duped ;)
[12:02] <mjg59> KaiL: Reporting bugs here is never the right thing to do


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[01:48] <AlexC_> Good morning all,
[01:49] <AlexC_> I've never used mailing lists before, but I'd like to .. use them? what ever it is you do ^^ - I just need to ask a question about Translations to them
[01:50] <AlexC_> do I just email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:51] <Kmos> AlexC_: you need to subscribe first
[01:51] <AlexC_> I take it I can un-subscribe? I read (quite a while ago) that you could never unsubscribe from Ubuntu's!
[02:06] <mpt> AlexC_, yes, there's instructions at the bottom of every message about how to unsubscribe
[02:06] <AlexC_> ok, so how do I go about subscribing?
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[04:29] <mhb> hello launchpad masters, I'd like to know if an Ubuntu translation team is allowed to use "Answers" (and the relevant source package, like language-pack-*) for managing questions&FAQs about ubuntu translations. Thanks!
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #128926 in launchpad-bazaar "code browser is not very linkable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128926
[08:33] <logankoester> Hey guys - just discovered launchpad and I've got a couple questions, if anyone is around? :)
[08:39] <kbrooks> hi.
[08:39] <kbrooks> I want my launchpad account at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>permanently deactivated please
[08:40] <kbrooks> Can someone please do that? Thanks.
[08:41] <mwh> kbrooks: file a question on the launchpad project, admins aren't likely to be around on a saturday night
[08:41] <kbrooks> mwh: alright
[08:43] <kbrooks> done, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/10568
[08:50] <kbrooks> ok, bye everyone, getting off IRC forever ... :-)
[08:53] <logankoester> o.0
[08:53] <logankoester> suicidal oss developers?
[10:23] <logankoester> "Like Sourceforge and Google Code Hosting, Launchpad is not open source. Unlike those other services, we have committed to making Launchpad Free Software." <- Pardon my ignorance, but how can it be Free software without viewable source?
[10:28] <beuno> logankoester: it's a long term goal
[10:28] <beuno> it's not at the moment
[10:29] <beuno> they have started to slowly release part of the code: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/storm-python-orm-open-sourced
[10:29] <logankoester> How long-term are we talking about?
[10:30] <beuno> logankoester: I'm not the person to answer that, but if I remember correctly, I saw some unoficial estimate at around 2 years
[10:31] <beuno> I believe it has more to do with finding a sustainable balance between open source and profit to keep the payed developers payed
[10:32] <logankoester> That's understandable... I wasn't aware it was a revenue source
[10:33] <beuno> logankoester: I don't know if it is at the moment, but I think they are looking for a way for it to be
[10:33] <logankoester> What's your relationship to the project, if you don't mind me asking?
[10:33] <beuno> at least to pay for development costs
[10:33] <logankoester> Just a user?
[10:34] <beuno> logankoester: I collaborate in Ubuntu
[10:34] <beuno> so Launchpad is *the* tool  :D
[10:35] <logankoester> Do you know anything about the Launchpad team? Lot of people working on it?
[10:36] <logankoester> Or where Canonical is located?
[10:40] <logankoester> I've been seriously interested in developing an app like launchpad for a long time... then today I discover an incredibly similar project to the one I had in mind, maybe they could use a hand :)
[10:42] <beuno> logankoester: I'm not the best person to ask, maybe the launchpad users mailing list is: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
[10:45] <logankoester> Thanks, I'll send them an email
[10:45] <beuno> logankoester,  :D


[17:45] <sai17> Hey all! I need help installing Ubuntu server on my Raspberry Pi 4.  I'm essentially stuck at step 3 of the process (https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi#3-wifi-or-ethernet). I am unable to connect Pi to the internet. I am not a secured campus wifi and
[17:45] <sai17> ethernet network. Access to wifi requires college email and password and registering the devise on the network. I've registered my Pi machine address already. But I keep getting error that Pi is not connected to the internet. So I'm not able to install Ubuntu
[17:47] <sai17> I essentially need help in writing code for setting up wifi/ethernet.


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[05:53] <zed> sorry for the delay
[05:53] <zed> i'm cheking
[10:59] <apollo13> zed: the server got up today at nine according to nagios, but can't reach it
[20:33] <apollo13> zed: any update?


[00:00] <Sarvatt> i'd quite like to see a 2 month delay where people actually keep the packages frozen so it can stabilize :)
[00:00] <jcristau> Sarvatt: come join the other side.
[00:00] <Sarvatt> I didn't say 12 month!
[00:01] <Sarvatt> :)
[00:01] <jcristau> ;)
[00:23] <aboSamoor> is xserver 1.8 has a solution to the Poulsbo cards ?
[00:24] <Sarvatt> no, quite the opposite
[00:25] <Sarvatt> you want to stick with older releases if you want to use poulsbo because they only ever put out drivers for the older releases
[02:09] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Next time you roll a lbm-nouveau for xorg-edgers could you add http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/airlied/drm-2.6.git;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/gpu/drm/drm_edid.c;h=7e608f4a0df95563e81e40d3efbaa57903fadbba;hp=f97e7c42ac8e1f7bdf53573e491feb0a80f2989f;hb=44fef22416886a04d432043f741a6faf2c6ffefd;hpb=725398322d05486109375fbb85c3404108881e17 to the drm?
[02:19] <Sarvatt> uploading now
[02:20] <RAOF> Oh, that was quick!
[03:07] <RAOF> Well, there we have it.
[03:10] <RAOF> gallium nvfx, while it seems to have improved compiz speeds considerably, hasn't prevented nouveau from locking up waiting for gem.
[03:26] <Sarvatt> try NOUVEAU_VTXIDX_IN_VRAM=1  compiz --replace?
[03:27] <RAOF> What is *that* meant to do?
[03:27] <Sarvatt> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=3428a305150e98c8002e0fb339f5667c5533c0d1
[03:30] <RAOF> Hm.  I don't think that's what I'm seeing; my problem is X becoming unkillable while waiting in gem_something_or_other_cpu_init
[03:51] <Sarvatt> radeon external monitor flickering bug, didn't someone here have that problem? superm1? - http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25741
[03:51] <superm1> Sarvatt, external monitor doesn't work at all for me with radeon kms
[03:52] <superm1> at least not when X starts
[03:55] <Sarvatt> ok will try to see if I can dig into it more, working on a list of drm patches we need to send to the kernel team list. did you have a bug or can ya tell me the GPU generation? how is the external monitor connected?
[03:55] <superm1> Sarvatt, i haven't file a bug yet.  let me check the GPU info
[03:55] <superm1> it's in a port replicator, hooked up via DVI
[03:56] <superm1> lets see, how do i translate this to a generation? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80)
[03:56] <Sarvatt> can ya get the pci id?
[03:57] <superm1> 1002:4e54
[03:57] <Sarvatt> RV350, thanks
[03:58] <superm1> er wait, i think i see something really weird going on that might explain things..
[03:58] <superm1> http://pastebin.com/Y3TLzChg
[03:58] <superm1> does that mean it's trying to use VESA?
[03:58] <RAOF> Yes.
[03:58] <Sarvatt> yeah..
[03:59] <RAOF> Is modesetting enabled?  That's (a) not going to end well, and (b) be resolved with the recent vesa upload.
[03:59] <superm1> -radeon is installed though
[03:59] <Sarvatt> can't open the ati driver
[03:59] <superm1> i wonder if on the upgrade it decided not to pull in -ati though, i didnt realize they were separate packages, didn't even think to check that
[03:59] <RAOF> Or, rather, given the rest of that log, will result in X failing entirely 'cause it can't open the ati driver or the fbdev driver.
[04:00] <Sarvatt> do you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed?
[04:00] <Sarvatt> yah that explains it
[04:00] <superm1> it appears i dont
[04:00] <RAOF> Do you have xserver-xorg-video-all installed?
[04:00] <Sarvatt> odd
[04:00] <Sarvatt> i'm sure he doesn't
[04:00] <superm1> i had all sorts of upgrade problems on this box
[04:00] <superm1> it was a hardy->lucid jump
[04:01] <superm1> i've filed bugs where i could, but i'm certain that this is caused by some of the earlier ones that are resolved now
[04:01] <bryceh> superm1, yeah I tried doing that on a box earlier this month and it was a PITA
[04:01] <bryceh> ended up just wiping it
[04:01] <superm1> i salvaged this, but there was a lot of --force-overwrite and --force-depends going on
[04:02] <superm1> i should have waited on it i think
[04:02] <bryceh> yep
[04:02] <Sarvatt> hmm yeah thats a odd bug, theres no xserver-xorg-video-radeon in hardy, it pushed him from -ati to -radeon
[04:02] <bryceh> yeah I ran into that one too with -radeon
[04:03] <Sarvatt> xserver-xorg-video-radeon Replaces: xserver-xorg-video-ati (<= 1:6.8.191-1)
[04:03] <superm1> oh swell, no internal display now
[04:03] <superm1> let me get this fully upgraded to current packages and i should be able to at least file an accurate bug
[04:04] <Sarvatt> can boot with radeon.modeset=0 to get it working to file the bug at least, thats pretty major
[04:05] <Sarvatt> should xserver-xorg-video-radeon conflict as well as replace the old ati maybe?
[04:07] <superm1> i've got external display, so even if it's not fixed after the upgrade, i should at least be able to work off that for filing the bug
[04:09] <Sarvatt> unless you were on the -15 kernel and it breaks both upgrading to -17 :D
[04:09] <superm1> don't you go jinxing me
[04:09] <superm1> luckily i'm on -16 though :)
[04:19] <Sarvatt> i've noticed radeon users tend to have some crazy setups that are just asking for trouble, dvi to hdmi to hdmi switch to receiver to tv and such :D
[04:21] <superm1> haha
[04:22] <Sarvatt> This is strange - like really really strange, twilight zone of strange. VGA ports have DDC buses, but sometimes for some reasons the BIOS says we don't and we oops - AMD mentioned bios bugs so we'll have to add quirks.
[04:22] <Sarvatt> yay..
[04:22] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: it's not in a ppa yet, but it'll happen today with the drivers
[04:23] <tjaalton> looks like the amd64 build of the new wacom failed
[04:24] <tjaalton> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `wcmTilt2Rotation.lo', needed by `wacom_drv.la'.  Stop.
[04:26] <Sarvatt> funny how 2.6.33's radeon seems less stable than 2.6.32 going by the bug reports, a lot of flickering screen or external monitor problems
[04:27] <superm1> Sarvatt, well it looks like i got my internal display back with the upgrade to -17, yay, no bugs necessary
[04:27] <Sarvatt> theres like 15 commits queued up for <IP_ADDRESS> though
[04:27] <Sarvatt> oh phew good to hear
[04:28] <Sarvatt> glad because I couldn't find anything rv3xx specific
[04:32] <tjaalton> hmm, need to get breakfast before replying to the thread
[04:43] <RAOF> Woot!  While this box may claim it's a power supply it's really a graphics card so I can join you in the wonders of radeonland.
[04:49] <bryceh> drives me nuts when people file bugs against xorg "well I have no idea what is causing my random bug, but I'll just guess and file against xorg"
[04:50] <RAOF> Without using ubuntu-bug?
[04:50] <bryceh> I mean I sympathize that it's hard to figure out what to file bugs against, but we're not a babysitting service and there's plenty of guides out there to help
[04:50] <bryceh> no, he used ubuntu-bug
[04:51] <bryceh> lp #544836
[04:51] <bryceh> probably a compiz or nautilus bug
[04:52] <RAOF> I wonder if just running “ubuntu-bug” and getting the symptom-based reporty thing would have sent it somewhere more useful.
[04:52] <bryceh> possibly
[04:53] <bryceh> or maybe I'm just grumpy after doing my taxes this evening with a fussy baby screaming at the same time
[04:53] <RAOF> :(
[04:53] <bryceh> is vinagre something like vbox that has its own X bits?
[04:54] <RAOF> It's a VNC server, isn't it?
[04:54] <bryceh> yeah
[04:54] <bryceh> I haven't ever played with it
[04:54] <bryceh> interesting vbox *is* installed, wonder if it is causing a conflict
[04:55] <Sarvatt> RAOF: you know, we could just do it with libpciaccess
[04:55] <Sarvatt> if (pci_device_has_kernel_driver(dev))
[04:55] <RAOF> Sarvatt: For the VESA fun?
[04:55] <RAOF> Or for framebuffer McGraw?
[04:55] <Sarvatt> vesa fun without libdrm
[04:56] <RAOF> What happens when someone runs nouveau with nomodeset?
[04:56] <bryceh> RAOF bad stuff
[04:56] <bryceh> in fact I tried that
[04:57] <bryceh> just get corruption
[04:57] <RAOF> I thought I tried that and it fell back nicely to something that didn't die...
[04:57] <RAOF> It *should* fall back to vesa, and since nouveau hasn't programmed a mode that shouldn't cause flames to shoot from the GPU's eyes.
[04:57] <Sarvatt> nv needs updating to check that too :D
[04:58] <bryceh> in fact I wanted to ask - we don't have documentation on the X/KernelModeSetting page for un-KMSing -nouveau and going back to -nv
[04:58] <Sarvatt> blacklist=nouveau
[04:59] <bryceh> I seem to recall testing it at the sprint with alberto and it worked on that hardware, but the one with my tv attached was a no-go
[05:02] <Sarvatt> i wonder if our fglrx works with xserver 1.8's video abi..
[05:04] <bryceh> ha
[05:04] <Sarvatt> heck, why does nouveau even have the vgacon hook to work with nomodeset still in the first place
[05:05] <RAOF> VESA drives my netbook as well as I could expect when nomodeset is passed
[05:05] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Because people might want to use libdrm_nouveau directly without actually using the driver - CUDA type stuff.
[05:06] <Sarvatt> does nv work RAOF?
[05:06] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: the video abi is the same
[05:06] <Sarvatt> i dont mean with your patch, I mean with an actual xserver 1.8
[05:07] <tjaalton> hmm no
[05:07] <Sarvatt> abi changed a few times and i think they just bumped it once
[05:07] <tjaalton> it was changed yes
[05:07] <tjaalton> just a long time ago
[05:07] <Sarvatt> thats when i dropped xserver master from xorg-edgers :D
[05:08] <tjaalton> ah it was in december, it touched the input and extension abi as well
[05:15] <RAOF> Hm.  Why does nv not try to drive the display?
[05:18] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yup. nv works, but for some reason will only load if I specify it in xorg.conf.
[05:22] <bryceh> Sarvatt, gonna try running fix-titles on ati...
[05:23] <Sarvatt> bryceh: did you make it not change already fixed ones?
[05:24] <bryceh> just did
[05:24] <Sarvatt> sweet!
[05:24] <bryceh> hang on found one more issue... dryrunning again
[05:36] <tjaalton> hmm, need to get a diffstat from the backported patches.. seems like diffstat accepts multiple patches
[05:36] <tjaalton> as arguments
[05:43] <tjaalton> but it's not accurate
[05:44] <tjaalton>  39 files changed, 1348 insertions(+), 344 deletions(-)
[05:44] <tjaalton> minus the libudev which we already had
[05:44] <tjaalton> which is over 400 insertions
[05:46] <tjaalton> and of the rest 155 touch the manpage
[05:47] <tjaalton> *190 touch the manpages
[05:51] <tjaalton> sorry, 230 :)
[06:13] <Sarvatt> will have to try a hardy-lucid upgrade this weekend and see if that ati/radeon problem is happening to everyone
[06:17] <Sarvatt> oh mvo has logs, thanks google :)
[06:20] <Sarvatt> Setting up xserver-xorg-video-radeon (1:6.12.99+git20100126.e5933fd7-0ubuntu2) ...
[06:20] <Sarvatt> Setting up xserver-xorg-video-ati (1:6.12.99+git20100126.e5933fd7-0ubuntu2) ...
[07:31] <tjaalton> bryceh: you forgot to finalize the changelog
[07:31] <tjaalton> but I've done it now
[07:36] <tjaalton> uh
[07:40] <tjaalton> uploading the backport to my ppa..
[08:04] <tjaalton> xserver, evdev and synaptics uploaded here https://edge.launchpad.net/~tjaalton/+archive/test
[08:06] <tjaalton> hmm, looks like evtouch doesn't have a proper hotplug udev rule currently
[09:33]  * Ng booted a lucid beta1 USB stick last night on a friend's new Vaio. It has a Core i5 and whatever the accompanying Intel chipset is...
[09:33] <Ng> *very* broken. the display had what appeared to be inverted colours, or at least very wrong, and the touchpad didn't work at all
[09:35] <Ng> It was a Vaio Z11X9E/B
[09:36] <tjaalton> doubt those are supported yet
[09:36] <tjaalton> but, lunch->
[09:39] <Ng> I wonder if that sort of thing is worth an entry in the release notes
[12:08] <tseliot> superm1: as regards your upload of jockey, I'm working on the fglrx handler and I'll re-enable it soon
[12:09] <tjaalton> sigh, the ppa build backlog is huge
[13:48] <superm1> tseliot, what else needed to be changed other than the package name?
[13:48] <superm1> that should at least allow people to enable it now i'd think
[13:49] <tseliot> nope
[13:50]  * tseliot -> phone call
[14:26] <Sarvatt> Ng: that should be supported fine, try booting with blacklist=vga16fb?
[14:26] <Sarvatt> not sure about the touchpad though
[14:26] <Ng> Sarvatt: I'm unlikely to be near the machine again for a week or two unfortuntaely
[14:27] <Ng> but I will try that :)
[14:27] <Sarvatt> by then it should be fixed hopefully if that was the problem :)
[16:53] <tseliot> tjaalton: are you going to upload a new revision of mesa anytime soon?
[16:59] <tjaalton> tseliot: 7.7.1 should be released tomorrow
[17:00] <tseliot> tjaalton: I was asking as I committed my fix in git and bug #248392 needs it
[17:01] <tjaalton> that's an old bug, it can probably wait a few days?-)
[17:02] <tjaalton> or you upload now and shuffle the changelog in git
[17:03] <tjaalton> afk ->
[17:07] <tseliot> tjaalton: no, I was just asking
[17:53] <bryceh> Sarvatt, btw you'd signed up for the task to review patches in other distros... just wanted to check if you've had some time to do this and if so how it turned out?
[22:17] <bryceh> tjaalton, I'm looking at backporting the Xv changes for i8xx from 2.10
[22:17] <bryceh> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/log/?h=2.10&ofs=100
[22:18] <bryceh> looks pretty self contained - the bits from Daniel Vetter between when 2.9.0 was released and before Eric started cutting out UMS bits
[22:32] <RAOF> Yay!  One (class of) kms edid quirks seems dealt with upstream.
[22:40] <bryceh> RAOF, kewl, are you flagging it for the kernel team to backport?
[22:42] <RAOF> Yes.  I'm not sure precisely how to flag the bug for maximum effect, though.
[22:42] <bryceh> here's how:
[22:42] <bryceh> a) tag it 'xorg-needs-kernel-fix'
[22:42] <bryceh> I've heard there is a report they look at with these tagged bugs.  dunno if that is still true but good just in case
[22:43] <bryceh> b) nominate it for 'lucid' and set milestone to 'beta-2'
[22:43] <bryceh> that should get it on the release team's radar at the very least
[22:44] <bryceh> c) If you want to ensure it gets attention, also mention the bug to JFo on #ubuntu-kernel and ask he puts it in the kernel team's hopper
[22:44] <bryceh> d) if it is extremely critical and you really don't want it to get lost, also assign it to one of the kernel engineers, like apw or sconklin.  But this should be used only in really critical cases
[22:45] <RAOF> I don't think it warrants that.
[22:45] <bryceh> e) Raise the bug on the kernel-team@ mailing list.  This is good for really earth shattering or highly risky things
[22:46] <bryceh> for most bugs that I care for the kernel team to see I just do (a) and maybe (b)
[22:46] <bryceh> and then (c) for important stuff
[22:48] <RAOF> Thanks.
[23:04] <bryceh> hmm, the Xv patch is pretty large
[23:40] <jcristau> bryceh: i've got the xv changes in sid fwiw
[23:54] <bryceh> jcristau, ah great


[14:58] <jgrimm> https://hangouts.google.com/call/bepmvssbpzgfwapb3ltq6ccelma
[14:59] <jgrimm> if needing to participate in the hangout
[14:59] <Skuggen> Hi, all :)
[15:02] <jamespage|uos> o/
[15:02] <jamespage|uos> oh great - no audio
[15:04] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-mysql-variants-in-1604
[15:06] <rbasak> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-mysql-variants-in-1604
[15:06] <otto> hello
[15:06] <jamespage|uos> hey folks
[15:06] <otto> please repost pad url so I can see it
[15:06] <jamespage|uos> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uos-1511-mysql-variants-in-1604
[15:13] <otto> https://github.com/mysql/mysql-server/commits/5.7 last commit 26 days ago, is current git head same as what was released at mysql.com?
[15:27] <ryeng> otto: sound's much better now


[03:23] <Superdweeb> anybody awake?
[03:26] <BHSPitMonkey> nope
[03:26] <Superdweeb> Can you do stuff?
[03:26] <Superdweeb> Could you make it so when compiz is disabled, 3d-accelleration is still enabled?
[03:27] <BHSPitMonkey> uhh
[03:27] <BHSPitMonkey> it is
[03:28] <BHSPitMonkey> compiz doesn't affect that
[03:28] <BHSPitMonkey> and that isn't within the scope of this channel
[03:28] <Superdweeb> that's strange, my gnome-appearance manager changes the driver to mesa when compiz is disabled.
[03:28] <BHSPitMonkey> do you mean vesa?
[03:28] <Superdweeb> yes.
[03:29] <BHSPitMonkey> I have trouble believing that
[03:29] <BHSPitMonkey> (and again, not for this channel)
[03:29] <Superdweeb> Well, I'll be quiet here then.
[05:22] <TwoToneSpirit> Hey everybody - where can one view the Jaunty artwork?
[06:17] <BHSPitMonkey> in jaunty
[06:44] <TwoToneSpirit> You mean in the beta?
[06:51] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[08:39] <ziroday_> Hi, where can I get a hi-res version of even better the sources of the current wallpaper?
[08:39] <ziroday_> (intrepid)
[10:25] <SiDi> hi
[14:59] <kwwii> ok, time to start answering emails
[14:59] <kwwii> after my laptop totally b0rked on me
[15:49] <Cimi> kwwii, did you fixed the wallpapers? they had 2px of misalignment
[15:54] <kwwii> Cimi: yes I fixed them but no it did not make it into the RC
[15:54] <Cimi> perfect
[15:54] <kwwii> :)
[15:54] <Cimi> i just remmebered you in the case you forgot
[15:54] <kwwii> thanks, I almost did forget to tell them I fixed it :p
[15:55] <kwwii> hrm, anyone know how to get f-spot to open a file with gimp?
[15:58] <kwwii> ahhha, it is a raw file which gimp has to open with a plugin
[15:58] <kwwii> so it won't work...nice!
[21:52] <H_M-Ubuntu> Anyone on?
[21:53] <H_M-Ubuntu> Meh i'm taking that as a no..
[21:54] <SiDi> Heya
[21:54] <H_M-Ubuntu> Well anyway, i'm trying to figure out how to add buttons (shutdown, restart, suspend) to my login theme... Haven't had any luck yet. The theme is complete, I just want to add more.
[21:54] <H_M-Ubuntu> And of course, it's up on http://gnome-look.org/ :)
[21:54] <SiDi> Can't help you on that :]
[21:54] <SiDi> ping dashua
[21:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hmmmm, want to see the theme though?
[21:55] <SiDi> yeh please
[21:55] <dashua> SiDi: Hey mate
[21:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/UbuGDM+Widescreen?content=102805 <--
[21:55] <SiDi> what's up dashua ?
[21:55] <dashua> Ah nada, just enjoying this beautiful rainy weather here :)
[21:55] <H_M-Ubuntu> I was going to release a fullscreen version, but I decided I really don't care :)
[21:56] <H_M-Ubuntu> :P
[21:56] <SiDi> H_M-Ubuntu, you should put this kind of stuff in ubuntu-look instead of gnome-look, gentooists will kick our asses again :D
[21:56] <H_M-Ubuntu> Oh really?
[21:56] <SiDi> dashua, rain is kewl :P
[21:56] <H_M-Ubuntu> Well i'll go there instead then... Though gnome-look is more popular, i'm assuming.
[21:56] <SiDi> H_M-Ubuntu, when you do really ubuntu specific artwork then its preferred
[21:56] <SiDi> other distro users tend to get upset otherwise ;)
[21:56] <SiDi> yeh its more popular
[21:56] <SiDi> i like your gdm tho
[21:56] <H_M-Ubuntu> Pfffffft then they don't click on it
[21:56] <H_M-Ubuntu> Lawl.
[21:56] <dashua> How are things going  on your end?
[21:57] <H_M-Ubuntu> So dashua, can you help me with adding buttons to my theme?
[21:57] <SiDi> dashua, i'm fine. im on holidays still, but i got a lot of work :)
[21:57] <dashua> Ah nice
[21:57] <SiDi> dashua, i dont know if i told u last time but i found something going wrong with rust ;p
[21:58] <dashua> Oh?
[21:58] <SiDi> Yeh
[21:58] <SiDi> in xfce, the clock's text is black
[21:58] <SiDi> black on dark brown
[21:58] <dashua> Screenshot?
[21:58] <H_M-Ubuntu> Oh I made my own emerald and GTK2.0 themes, too...
[21:58] <dashua> Hrm
[21:58] <H_M-Ubuntu> Care to see?
[21:58] <SiDi> i'll make u a screeny, sec
[21:58] <dashua> H_M-Ubuntu: I probably could, but metacity-themer is not playing nice in Jaunty for me
[21:58] <SiDi> its because the clock picks the text color by default, and not the panel's one
[21:59] <dashua> Ah
[21:59] <H_M-Ubuntu> I just make my themes by hand...
[21:59] <H_M-Ubuntu> :X
[21:59] <dashua> I wouldn't have seen this, GNOME
[21:59]  * H_M-Ubuntu loves programming, preferably without an IDE
[22:00] <SiDi> hehe i know dashua  ;)
[22:00] <dashua> H_M-Ubuntu: I do too, but metacity-theming get a little involved
[22:00] <H_M-Ubuntu> http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/j97xc4xpp5nccgjminu.png
[22:00] <H_M-Ubuntu> I made the wallpaper, too ^_^
[22:01] <dashua> H_M-Ubuntu: That looks nice.
[22:01] <H_M-Ubuntu> Ty, I was arguing over one of my friends themes :P
[22:02] <SiDi> http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4296/capturej.png dashua
[22:02] <SiDi> nice H_M-Ubuntu
[22:02] <SiDi> but the fonts really dont fit with the metacity ;P
[22:02] <H_M-Ubuntu> I likez my fontz
[22:03] <dashua> SiDi: Hrm, alright.  I will look into that. I see
[22:03] <H_M-Ubuntu> They aren't opensource though, they're OS X fonts.
[22:03] <H_M-Ubuntu> :P
[22:03] <SiDi> Something like droid would fit better, H_M-Ubuntu ;)
[22:03] <H_M-Ubuntu> Nah
[22:03] <SiDi> dashua, thanks :) i still didnt do the xfwm btw :D
[22:03] <H_M-Ubuntu> As I always say, to each his own.
[22:03] <H_M-Ubuntu> I prefer this :)
[22:05] <H_M-Ubuntu> Meh I guess i'll just look at some other themes and see how they put buttons in
[22:05] <dashua> SiDi: Ok, no worries.  I've only recently committed a few modifications to bzr
[22:05] <H_M-Ubuntu> You know if I can't find one, later i'm going to make a DETAILED post to Ubuntu Forums on how to create a nice GDM theme.
[22:13] <SiDi> i dont really get involved in ubuntuforums
[22:13] <SiDi> mostly because someone stole my nickname there :@
[22:19] <H_M-Ubuntu> K well I just made up the buttons, i'll try 'em out now I guess
[22:19] <H_M-Ubuntu> http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/jp6bt6n224ongupgw7w4.png
[22:21]  * H_M-Ubuntu loves gimp
[22:30] <SiDi> i can't believe myself doing this in gimp in less than 3/4 good days...
[22:31] <H_M-Ubuntu> Oh well I have my name on UbuForums, Samual
[22:31] <H_M-Ubuntu> Someone took it on freenode though
[22:31] <H_M-Ubuntu> The bastard
[22:32] <H_M-Ubuntu> :)
[22:33] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hey what do anchors mean in GDM themes? You know in the .xml
[22:34] <H_M-Ubuntu> I see like, n, nw, w, etc...
[22:34] <H_M-Ubuntu> I assumed "North, northwest, west." But heh
[22:34] <SiDi> north ? west ?
[22:34] <SiDi> well.. :D
[22:35] <H_M-Ubuntu> Yeah but it seems contradicting, because I think when I put W it decided to go on the right side, not the left.
[22:35] <H_M-Ubuntu> Lawlz
[22:40] <H_M-Ubuntu> Hey it workz!!!!!!!!!
[22:40] <H_M-Ubuntu> :D
[22:40] <H_M-Ubuntu> :D
[23:02] <SiDi> Good night folks