[12:00] <topyli> aceb747: hehe :)
[12:00] <stevenj> I did'nt know 686 2.6.11 was there...hmm
[12:00] <HakonBH> does anybody here use fluxbox?
[12:00] <thoreauputic> Amaranth: ah, I see
[12:00] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: yes
[12:00] <Amaranth> thoreauputic: Plus things don't get pulled from the archives lightly
[12:00] <stevenj> dbernar1, what does that do?
[12:01] <f_newton> man I love working with a debian based os
[12:01] <nox> ubuntu is the new debian
[12:01] <nox> its just, better.
[12:01] <HakonBH> thoreauputic: with or without gnome installed together?
[12:01] <ixion> hi, whats the run command for text editor?
[12:01] <dbernar1> stevenj: well, /join #flood joins the channel that can be flooded
[12:01] <topyli> nox: nah, debian is still debian
[12:01] <ixion> I need to gksu it
[12:01] <Amaranth> ixion: gedit
[12:01] <Razor-X> I hope Debian will supersede Debian
[12:01] <ixion> ta
[12:01] <dbernar1> /bin/sh: line 1: takes: command not found
[12:01] <Amaranth> ixion: gksudo gedit
[12:01] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: I have gnome and KDE and xfce4 as well - but I rarely use them :)
[12:02] <topyli> Razor-X: exactly ;)
[12:02] <dbernar1> it remocves the intermediate step of you having to paste
[12:02] <dbernar1> now I am going there, to see what you paste
[12:02] <cyphase> hey everyone
[12:02] <HakonBH> humm... because fluxbox is a little slow here, very uncommon
[12:03] <stevenj> traceroute not found...apparently I can't traceroute :)
[12:03] <bionic> Whats the command to turn on DMA on a disc?
[12:03] <mbirkis> can i add a i386 repo to a amd64 sources list??
[12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: the hoary package has an issue
[12:03] <nox> stevenj, sudo apt-get install traceroute
[12:03] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250 how do I make the dual monitor work, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: I recompiled
[12:03] <Seveas> bionic, hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdisk
[12:03] <bionic> Seveas: appreciate it
[12:03] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: the secret is to use --disable-xmb in the ./conigure options
[12:03] <HakonBH> hummm... i'm trying to recompile but i always get a kernel panic, heheh
[12:04] <HakonBH> sorry, i'm just a beginner, have no idea of ./configure options
[12:04] <catolh> how can i set my Tv as my primary screen? I have an ATI radeon 9600 xt.. with the fglrx drivers installed (newest).
[12:04] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: ah
[12:05] <mbirkis> how come i get wrong architecture error when i try dpkg --install a.hoary.package.i386.deb ??
[12:05] <aceb747> one quick question I have is what is better about ubuntu than debian... one thing i liked was the install... and alot of people have put it down
[12:05] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: are you using a mac or amd64 ?
[12:05] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, amd64
[12:05] <topyli> HakonBH: try "./configure --help"
[12:05] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: the package you are trying to install is not for amd64
[12:06] <HakonBH> ok
[12:06] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, shouldn't it work?? isn't ubuntu biarch compatible??
[12:06] <thoreauputic> HakonBH: if you compile fluxbox, use --disable-xmb --enable-kde --enable-gnome
[12:07] <cefx> no
[12:07] <cefx> it's not
[12:07] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: you would need a 32 bit chroot
[12:07] <aceb747> if you were to compare the repo would ununtu or debian have a better repo?
[12:07] <mbirkis> thoreauputic, what is a 32bit chroot?
[12:07] <DukGalNamu> hey where is the wine channel?
[12:07] <HakonBH> hum, i always use apt-get... i dunno the best place to install package, so i don't want do make a mess
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: *sigh* a sort of jail to run 32 bit apps from
[12:08] <ChrischiO`GER>   Kicked Windows, installed my first Linux(ubuntu of course), mounted my first drive, compiled and installed my first program .. what a day
[12:08] <Kev0r> LinuxJones: one problem: need to run that program as the user that's logged in :/
[12:08] <mjr> mbirkis, ubuntu is not yet a proper multiarch system; chroot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[12:08] <nickrud> as someone who has no real voice in either repo, I'd judge that the both work
[12:08] <aceb747> DukGalNamu, i think it is on another server... though that does not help much... possibly on efnet i think
[12:08] <mbirkis> mjr, ok thnx
[12:08] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: search the wiki - I think there's a howto
[12:08] <DukGalNamu> ...
[12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, when using ubuntu, you don`t need to compile programs. thats why you have APT and sources.list file.
[12:09] <ChrischiO`GER> w00s?
[12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:09] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, add the repos from there, and come back for instructions
[12:09] <catolh> do people have experience in setting the TV out as a primary screen? so i can use my TV to watch movies+
[12:09] <catolh> ?*
[12:09] <nickrud> DukGalNamu, I usually look for channels on http://searchirc.com/
[12:09] <ChrischiO`GER> und das sagt er mir jetzt  -.-'
[12:09] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: i am banned from that server for some reason...
[12:10] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, package manager is a very important thing. it makes your life easier
[12:10] <Seveas> nox, bad idea
[12:10] <Seveas> nox ubuntuguide is not the best source of information
[12:10] <Amaranth> nox: Please do not tell people to read ubuntuguide.
[12:10] <ChrischiO`GER> yeah.. had to use it to install compiler^^
[12:10] <Seveas> and it has backports on by default...
[12:10] <nox> Seveas, what makes you think this is a bad idea?
[12:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: official backports?
[12:11] <nox> Amaranth, why? it realy helps
[12:11] <Seveas> nox, because it is :)
[12:11] <cefx> What's the syntax for decompressing a tgz file?
[12:11] <Amaranth> Seveas: please tell me it doesn't have hoary-extras
[12:11] <raven3x7> ChrischiO`GER,  just leave out the backports line
[12:11] <Seveas> nox, it has...
[12:11] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250 how do I make the dual monitor work, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB)
[12:11] <Seveas> Amaranth, it has
[12:11] <Amaranth> *groan*
[12:11] <Seveas> nox, the things causes so much trouble for people...
[12:11] <HakonBH> jojolu: xinerama?
[12:11] <ChrischiO`GER> dont mind.. but explane me what "backports" means pls^^
[12:11] <Seveas> we've spent days in here helping ubuntuguide vicitms
[12:11] <Amaranth> !backports
[12:11] <ubotu> rumour has it, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:12] <jojolu> xinerama? I dont know that program
[12:12] <nox> Seveas, you said it yourself -> "not the =BEST= source for info" - in the lack of other good sources for begginers, this is the only option
[12:12] <Amaranth> wtf
[12:12] <aceb747> DukGalNamu: are you on a college campus?
[12:12] <Amaranth> that's a worthless bit of explaination
[12:12] <Seveas> nox, wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <raven3x7> Amaranth, whats wrong with extras?
[12:12] <DukGalNamu> nope
[12:12] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: why would that matter?
[12:12] <Amaranth> raven3x7: Well, for a start just about everything in it is illegal.
[12:12] <catolh> argh, i cant get any video on my tv.. :\
[12:12] <cefx> zxvf
[12:12] <cefx> 'D
[12:12] <nox> Seveas, ok.. ill add some things to the wiki myself :) thanx for that. is it .com or .org?
[12:12] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com :)
[12:12] <jojolu> HakonBH: what is xinerama
[12:13] <DukGalNamu> aceb747: here is what i got:ERROR Closing Link<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Banned)
[12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> wtf
[12:13] <ixion> how can I login to ubuntu as root please? I'm getting annoyed with this perpetual gksu, its a desktop machine, I want to be god
[12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> HAHA
[12:13] <ChrischiO`GER> 2nd one
[12:13] <Amaranth> ixion: err
[12:13] <Amaranth> !rootsudo
[12:14] <ubotu> it has been said that rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:14] <Seveas> ixion, sudo gdmsetup
[12:14] <Amaranth> ixion: gdm will not allow you to login as root
[12:14] <Seveas> but be warned
[12:14] <balistic2> hey
[12:14] <Seveas> runnung X as root is a *MAJOR* security risk
[12:14] <ChrischiO`GER> what is gdm?
[12:14] <delta> good night
[12:14] <ixion> yes, its a desktop, for playing music and stuff
[12:14] <ixion> security is less important than annoyances
[12:14] <Seveas> ixion, if you hate entering your password: tell sudo not to ask it
[12:14] <balistic2> is there a way to install ubuntu by use of floppy.. i dont have a cd drive on my old vaio
[12:14] <nox> ChrischiO`GER, GDM is Gnome Display Manager
[12:14] <ChrischiO`GER> ah k
[12:15] <ChrischiO`GER> Mr X  *g*
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> ahh
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> there is one on this server
[12:15] <MartenH> ok, this isn't working sadly :/ I keep getting a message saying that /dev/video doesn't exist
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> its winehq
[12:15] <DukGalNamu> i am going
[12:15] <MartenH> hwn using xawtv or gqcam
[12:15] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using floppy
[12:15] <ubuntu__> sup guys
[12:15] <Amaranth> DukGalNamu: most channels on this server are the official channels for the project
[12:15] <nox> MartenH, what about /dev/video0 ?
[12:15] <Amaranth> err, too late
[12:15] <MartenH> nox,  nope
[12:15] <nox> MartenH, what are you trying to connect?
[12:16] <MartenH> nox, a webcam. ANother cam worked right away, this one does not
[12:16] <balistic2> hey can i get some help if someone isnt to busy
[12:16] <nox> MartenH, you installed V4L ?
[12:16] <nue2ubuntu> hey i'm running the live version of ubuntu. is there a way to install pluggins for firefox to browse some flash-enabled webpages?
[12:16] <Amaranth> balistic2: If no one knows no one will answer.
[12:16] <aceb747> balistic2: i can try to help you
[12:16] <balistic2> thank you ace
[12:16] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using floppy disks
[12:16] <ubuntu_> is the a way i can enable vnc without going to System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[12:17] <errr_> where are the local startup scripts?
[12:17] <MartenH> nox, how do I do that? doesn't it come with xawtv?
[12:17] <ubuntu_> as in thru a terminal
[12:17] <Amaranth> balistic2: I do not believe floppy installation is possible.
[12:17] <aceb747> balistic2: i think u can only do it cdrom
[12:17] <balistic2> amaranth, i saw some where it said that you can install debian first
[12:17] <balistic2> and then install ubuntu
[12:17] <balistic2> is that logical?
[12:17] <nox> MartenH, i have no idea - install libpt-plugins-v4l2
[12:17] <Amaranth> balistic2: If you don't mind never getting help from us, sure. :)
[12:18] <aceb747> balistic2: yes that is possible i think
[12:18] <cefx> Anyone ever install Cedega?
[12:18] <Amaranth> balistic2: that is really more likely to break your system
[12:18] <errr_> On gentoo they are:  /etc/conf.d/local.start  but I am unable to find the ubuntu one
[12:18] <ubuntu_> is there access to vnc seting thru bash?
[12:18] <balistic2> brb
[12:18] <ubuntu_> to turn it off/on
[12:18] <Amaranth> balistic2: some things in debian 3.1 are newer than ubuntu 5.04
[12:18] <cefx> Has anyone ever installed Cedega and knows what I have to do?
[12:18] <aceb747> you would do a debian ne install and a dist-upgrade to ubuntu
[12:18] <Amaranth> cefx: #cedega?
[12:18] <_icebreaker_> which package i have to install to get the kernel-headers
[12:18] <delta>
[12:19] <Amaranth> _icebreaker_: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:19] <MartenH> nox, I have v4l2 installed along with v4l-conf. however not v4l (but v4l2 is anewer version from what I can tell)
[12:19] <Amaranth> _icebreaker_: make sure you put in backticks, not quote marks
[12:19] <jojolu> Helo Im running ubuntu on a laptop toshiba satellite A45-S250, the graphic card is a intel 852GME integrated (32MB). How do I make the capability of switching between displays (CRT and LCD)
[12:19] <ubuntu_> any one ?
[12:19] <nox> MartenH, what type of a webcam you are trying to connect, and to which port?
[12:19] <ubuntu_> vnc settings access thru terminal?????
[12:19] <Amaranth> jojolu: The laptop does that in hardware on most systems I've seen
[12:19] <ubuntu_> oh well
[12:19] <Amaranth> jojolu: some button combination
[12:20] <raven3x7> Amaranth, would ffdshow be a legal alternative to w32codecs?
[12:20] <aceb747> jojolu, you need to configure this on the /etc/xorg.conf file
[12:20] <errr_> jojolu: on mine it is function f8
[12:20] <_icebreaker_> Amaranth, im geting a error message
[12:20] <jojolu> yes Fn+F5
[12:20] <brad[] > Hi, having some trouble connecting to an exchange 2003 server through evolution in Ubuntu hoary. I can connect to it using other distributions using the same versions of the software, so I'm wondering if there are any newer releases of evolution available for Ubuntu 5.04?
[12:20] <MartenH> nox, USB port, it's a gpt/chicony dc-2120
[12:20] <Amaranth> raven3x7: um, ffdshow is ffmpeg running on DirectShow, a part of DirectX on Windows.
[12:20] <jojolu> but doesnt work just flashes the monitor and my cursor desapears
[12:20] <errr_> Amaranth: do you know where the local startup script i s located?
[12:20] <thoreauputic>  /msg nickserv nvu
[12:21] <thoreauputic> bah
[12:21] <nox> MartenH, please give me the output of the command: "ls /dev | grep video"
[12:21] <avanspronsen> brad[] : is your mailbox name different than your login name?  I am pretty sure that is a problem with the Exchange connector with the version that ships with 5.04
[12:22] <Sputn1k> sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=-custom kernel_image modules_image . How should i replace "append-to-version" and "custom kernel_image modules_image", curent kernel 2.6.10, trying update to 2.6.12, help plz
[12:22] <jojolu> Amaranth: Can I see your, xorg.conf becouse I dont know how to configure it out
[12:22] <nox> MartenH, when the webcam is connected ofcourse.
[12:22] <MartenH> nox, video0 and video (1349)
[12:22] <balistic2> is there any way to install
[12:22] <balistic2> any sort of gui linux using a floppy
[12:22] <aceb747> jojolu, what kind of vid card do you have?
[12:23] <errr_> does anyone know where I can find the local start up scripts that normally go in /etc/rc.d ?
[12:23] <nox> MartenH, ok, now do that: "sudo cat /dev/video0" and move something that the cam can see. do you see any change on the screen?
[12:23] <Sputn1k> help me somebody :/
[12:23] <jojolu> aceb747: a intel 852GME Integrated
[12:24] <LinuxJones> balistic2, Mandriva (Mandrake) used to be able to do that like 2 years ago
[12:24] <kemik> Sputn1k:  you really shouldnt do that stuff if you're not sure what to put there to begin with
[12:24] <MartenH> nox, i get: "cat: /dev/video0: Function not implemented"
[12:24] <yhager> errr_, you mean /etc/rc[0-9S] .d/ ?
[12:24] <balistic2> linuxjones, the problem is.. i have a vaio that used to run windows 98 and im tryiing to get rid of it but all i have is a floppy drive
[12:24] <Sputn1k> kemik: u talking like my grandmother :]
[12:24] <jojolu>  a intel 852GME Integrated with 32 mb
[12:25] <aceb747> jojolu: just search how to setup the xorg.conf on google and look at the ubuntu wiki... it shows how on there... i am not sure if it is for nvidia only though
[12:25] <kemik> well i aint stopping you
[12:25] <kemik> ;)
[12:25] <nox> MartenH, try the same thing with /dev/video
[12:25] <icewt> balistic2, you can install debian netinstall with a floppy, supposing you have internet connection available while installing
[12:25] <thoreauputic> yhager: impatient type, wasn't he ?
[12:25] <jojolu> In ubunto guide its for nvidia only
[12:25] <balistic2> icewt, then can i install ubuntu
[12:25] <MartenH> nox, No such file or directory
[12:25] <LinuxJones> balistic2, you can format/erase the drives with the mandrake cd or if you have a win98 rescue disk you can remove the partitions with that
[12:25] <jojolu> But I will look
[12:26] <nox> MartenH, you have a drivers problem.
[12:26] <LinuxJones> balistic2, sorry make that mandrake floppy netinstall disk :(
[12:26] <MartenH> nox, the drivers are loaded and a cam is detected accoring to dmesg. But I have read on the page for them that I might need to update to ov51x
[12:26] <nox> MartenH, you trying gnomemeeting?
[12:26] <balistic2> linujones, so after i make that netinstall disk can i put ubuntu over it?
[12:26] <nox> MartenH, try=tried
[12:26] <MartenH> nox, no, xawtv and gqcam
[12:27] <stevenj> I am having strange problems today and nothing has changed--I do not use backports....first firestarter has to be disabled to browse google.com and now firefox automatically disabled ad block and said it was too old...even though I made a change in firefox right after 1.0.6 (official) came out to accept 1.0 extentions
[12:27] <nox> MartenH, so try gnomemeeting. 1. it comes with ubuntu. 2. it works with most of the cams
[12:27] <MartenH> k
[12:27] <balistic2> linuxjones, after i make that floppy netinstall disk can i install ubuntu
[12:27] <stevenj> anyone else having strange things happen or is it just me
[12:28] <ChrischiO`GER> can anybody tell me a ftpserver where i dont have to make as system users as accounts or use sqr databases?
[12:28] <ChrischiO`GER> +many
[12:28] <tim> if I killall'd esd (to play a game) is there a way to start it back up from the command line?
[12:28] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it?
[12:28] <Jemt> stevenj: You could try deleting your personal profile for firestarter and start the program again
[12:28] <tim> w/out logging out then back in
[12:28] <thoreauputic> stevenj: odd - have you run apt-get upgrade or just installed firefox?
[12:29] <LinuxJones> balistic2, I don't know of a netinstall floppy for Ubuntu no :(
[12:29] <thoreauputic> tim:  just esd & should do it
[12:29] <stevenj> thoreauputic, right after the official 1.0.6 came out and just upgrade
[12:29] <stevenj> ubuntu upgrade
[12:29] <LinuxJones> balistic2, you don't have a cdrom for your laptop ?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> stevenj: what I was getting at was whether your system is fully updated
[12:30] <Codyman> so whats the deal with ubuntu these days... whats the release schedule right now?
[12:30] <tim> thoreauputic, lol oh didn't think it would be that easy :-P thx man
[12:30] <balistic2> no i dont
[12:30] <kemik> ChrischiO`GER:  glftpd ?
[12:30] <thoreauputic> tim: :)
[12:30] <MartenH> nox, no device found
[12:30] <balistic2> but my other computers have cd rom drives
[12:30] <MartenH> nox, however the sound form the cam works
[12:30] <balistic2> they are all on network
[12:30] <balistic2> its just this laptop thats pissing me off
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> Codyman: same as always
[12:31] <thoreauputic> Codyman: every 6 months - next release in October
[12:31] <Codyman> very cool... 5.10?
[12:31] <MartenH> nox, I think I'll need that ov51x instead. I know where to get it but it needs to be compiled and replace the old one, and I have no experience doing that
[12:31] <kemik> !nex
[12:31] <ubotu> kemik: Are you smoking crack?
[12:31] <kemik> !next
[12:31] <ubotu> No idea, kemik
[12:31] <kemik> !nextrelease
[12:31] <ubotu> [nextrelease]  6 months after the last one, always
[12:31] <stevenj> thoreauputic, it appears to be and everything was working perfectly last night...and today I get home from work...no one uses this box....strange
[12:31] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - thx
[12:31] <Jemt> !help
[12:31] <jakestah> Does anyone know how to make a folder form the terminal?
[12:31] <thoreauputic> stevenj: :(
[12:31] <balistic2> what should i do
[12:32] <kemik> jakestah:  mkdir
[12:32] <jakestah> Thank you!
[12:32] <thoreauputic> jakestah: mkdir <directoryname>
[12:32] <stevenj> guess I'll reboot
[12:32] <stevenj> :/
[12:32] <balistic2> can i install any windows using floppy
[12:32] <jakestah> Thanks!
[12:32] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - any others not hard to install/configure?
[12:32] <ixion> whats the syntax to mount a samba share please?
[12:32] <aceb747> jakestah: mkdir
[12:32] <LinuxJones> balistic2, can you purchase a cdrom drive for your laptop ?
[12:32] <cefx> Seveas, what's the "ubuntu" way of editing Xorg.conf?
[12:32] <balistic2> linuxjones, how much is an external cd rom drive cost
[12:32] <kemik> ChrischiO`GER:  not sure. .think glftpd is a wee bit unfriendly to setup :/
[12:33] <Codyman> does anyone know if wifi will be improved with the next release... ndiswrapper works but i'd like to see some native support
[12:33] <MartenH> balistic2, you sholl look into network installation
[12:33] <yhager> ixion: mount -t smbfs //<server>/<share> /<local path -o username=<user>,password=<pass>,dom=<domain>
[12:33] <ChrischiO`GER> kemik - "unfriendly" ^^
[12:33] <LinuxJones> balistic2, probably alot...do you know anybody who has one that you could borrow...maybe a friend's ?
[12:33] <vader1102> balistic2: $5.00 here where I live at pawn shops
[12:33] <balistic2> martenH, how do i do this i havent gotten a clear explanation on how
[12:33] <geneo93> balistic2:  get an adaptor ide to laptop drive
[12:33] <thoreauputic> cefx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:34] <icewt> balistic2, you could install debian with netinstall, and "upgrade" to ubuntu. don't know how well it works though. there's some info http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[12:34] <Jemt> !guide
[12:34] <ubotu> Jemt: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:34] <Jemt> !ubuntuguide
[12:34] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[12:34] <LinuxJones> MartenH, is there a netinstall using a floppy disk ?
[12:34] <MartenH> balistic2, don't know just that it can be done. ANother suggestion is to get a small non-GUI distribution on there and then download a real one to the HD and install it form there
[12:34] <kemik> balistic2:  or just plugin a CD-rom temporarily in your laptop and install ubuntu ?
[12:34] <balistic2> I DONT Have a hd rom drive
[12:35] <f_newton> woof then youve got a problem
[12:35] <ixion> yhager: I get bad fs type on //server/share ?
[12:35] <MartenH> LinuxJones, Never done netinstallation but I know it can be done with both windows and linux. google is your friend :)
[12:35] <kemik> balistic2:  cant borrow one i mean ?
[12:35] <MartenH> nox, you leave?
[12:35] <fuci> Hello
[12:35] <ixion> yhager: obviously I didnt use "//server/share" but used a correct UNC
[12:35] <fuci> Can someone help me with mounting windows drive ?
[12:35] <nox> MartenH, im here, but i have no idea how to solve your problem. you tried www.ubuntuforums.org ?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> MartenH, not for me I was just asking on balistic2's behalf :)
[12:35] <balistic2> no i dont know anyone that has one kemik
[12:35] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[12:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mountwindows is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[12:36] <yhager> fuci, go ahead
[12:36] <MartenH> nox, I think I'll need that ov51x instead. I know where to get it but it needs to be compiled and replace the old one, and I have no experience doing tha.. do you?
[12:36] <Gabriel> I need a keymap (that has been made part of Breezy) on my Hoary laptop, is there a simple package I can install to update my system's keymaps?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> fuci: read the bot's URL above
[12:36] <nox> MartenH, i don`t know whats ov51x, but compiling programs is very simple. the problem is the dependencies
[12:36] <fuci> when i type /etc/fstab it says permission denied, and im only one who uses this, and i only created 1 profile
[12:36] <balistic2> martenh, so i install debian using a net install
[12:36] <fuci> thoreauputic, ok, i'll see
[12:37] <kemik> balistic2:  well, put the HD from your laptop into a computer and put the win98 cd on it, boot witha floppy and install..
[12:37] <nox> fuci, fstab is a text file, not a file you can run. "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" to edit it.
[12:37] <mark__> lo guys, can anyone tell me how to format a HD in Linux?
[12:37] <balistic2> martenh, then i upgrade to ubuntu how
[12:37] <thoreauputic> fuci: to edit fstab you need to use sudo: sudo gedit /etc/fstab for instance
[12:37] <MartenH> balistic2, don't know, sorry
[12:37] <mark__> from ntfs to ext3 for example
[12:37] <fuci> ok, thanks ill try !
[12:37] <balistic2> ugh i need a solution
[12:37] <nox> thoreauputic, i think he was trying to run the file. :)
[12:37] <JoRock> hi does anyone know of a pci wireless card that is linux friendly?
[12:37] <nox> mark__: with cfdisk for instance
[12:37] <thoreauputic> nox: seems like it, yeah :)
[12:37] <kemik> icewt balistic2, you could install debian with netinstall, and "upgrade" to ubuntu. don't know how well it works though. there's some info http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge
[12:38] <mark__> thanks nox
[12:38] <f_newton> JoRock, usually anything with a prism2 intercil driver
[12:38] <kemik> (that was a quote of icewt)
[12:38] <MartenH> nox, I have the site for the driver, and the file I _think_ i need but don't know how to go from there
[12:38] <stevenj> is anyone having problems with firestater today?
[12:38] <vader1102> JoRock: I am using the dlw-g650 and it works great
[12:38] <nox> MartenH, what is ov51x ?!
[12:38] <mark__> nox are there any other ways of formatting? last time I did it I used a different thing, not cfdisk
[12:38] <nox> MartenH, and what makes you think you need it?
[12:39] <JoRock> vader1102: was it any effort to set up?
[12:39] <MartenH> nox, a replacement driver for ov511 (the driver ubuntu uses for my cam)
[12:39] <shammy> ndiswrapper doesn't install with ubuntu does it?
[12:39] <shammy> becuase that would make things alot easier
[12:39] <vader1102> no, all I did was use the madwif
[12:39] <nox> mark__, that`s linux. TIMTOWTDI always.
[12:39] <JoRock> madwif?
[12:39] <f_newton> madwifi
[12:39] <thoreauputic> !info ndiswrapper
[12:39] <mark__> nox TIMTOWTDI? :o
[12:39] <HakonBH> TIMTOWTDI???
[12:39] <MartenH> JoRock, if you are looking to use WPA bbe sure to do your research for a good card, some are very tricky
[12:39] <vader1102> JoRock: it is installed with Ubuntu
[12:39] <nox> There is more than one way to do it
[12:39] <mark__> nox im pretty sure i did it differently last time :)
[12:40] <mark__> nox, do u know of any other ways? :D
[12:40] <shammy> vader1102: what is madwifi?
[12:40] <JoRock> nice
[12:40] <f_newton> JoRock, if you get one (like a netgear b card or an agere (2wire) card with the intersil prism2 driver you dont need ndiswrapper or anything
[12:40] <ixion> yhager: I get bad fs type on //server/share ?
[12:40] <ixion> yhager: obviously I didnt use "//server/share" but used a correct UNC
[12:40] <vader1102> like ndiswrapper only it is installed with ubuntu
[12:40] <JoRock> so you recommend an netgear type b?
[12:40] <f_newton> vader1102, madwifi is pre installed with ubuntu?
[12:40] <shammy> f_newton: I have a netgear b/g card, I don't need ndiswrapper?
[12:40] <chrischio> Hi ChrischiO
[12:40] <f_newton> right
[12:41] <balistic2> Ok im GOING TO NETINSTALL DEBIAN
[12:41] <f_newton> shammy, me too
[12:41] <balistic2> HOW DO I DO THIS
[12:41] <ChrischiO`GER> Oh Hi ChrischiO_, how are you today?
[12:41] <nox> mark__: why don`t you do it with cfdisk? it is realy good..
[12:41] <Sputn1k> where is lilo config file?
[12:41] <chrischio> ^
[12:41] <balistic2> how do i netinstall debian
[12:41] <balistic2> using floppy
[12:41] <f_newton> lilo?
[12:41] <mark__> nox, what command do i need to issue? i dont wanna screw anything up
[12:41] <f_newton> lordy probably at mandriva
[12:41] <vader1102> yes, f_newton
[12:41] <nox> mark__: there is a thousands of way to do it. i think that this is the best way
[12:41] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: ubuntu uses the grub bootloader
[12:41] <nox> mark__: sudo apt-get install cfdisk
[12:41] <kemik> balistic2:  tried google? or debian.org ?
[12:41] <f_newton> vader1102, good to know
[12:41] <vader1102> everything I have seen and read
[12:41] <shammy> f_newton: so that means I do not need ndiswrapper?
[12:42] <nox> mark__: and then just write cfdisk, its all CLI
[12:42] <kemik> balistic2:  or #debian ?
[12:42] <f_newton> well if you are using a netgear card or similar with intersil prism2 driver no you dont shammy
[12:42] <Sputn1k> thoreauputic: i know, but where is lilo fonfig?
[12:42] <vader1102> shammy: go to that site I gave you earlier, and look
[12:42] <chrischio> kemik?
[12:42] <shammy> vader1102: where can I find madwifi? It's not under net apps or system tools
[12:42] <f_newton> not the 2.5 driver now....
[12:42] <nox> MartenH, ok, give me the link to the site, and your cpu type
[12:42] <shammy> vader1102: my adapter isn't on that list, no
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Sputn1k: the config file for grub is in /boot/grub/   if you want lilo you need to install it and use /etc/lilo.conf if I remember correctly
[12:43] <vader1102> then I would use ndiswrapper
[12:43] <vader1102> there may be other ones but do not know
[12:43] <f_newton> ndiswrapper saves a lot of people's oddball cards
[12:44] <jakestah> Does anyone know how to delete a file through the terminal?
[12:44] <vader1102> f_newton: I tried ndiswrapper for my card before I did madwifi and it wouldn't work, first try with madwifi worked great!!
[12:45] <thoreauputic> jakestah: rm <file>
[12:45] <ixion> is there an equivilent to adobe premier for linux? I want to edit some digital video
[12:45] <jakestah> thank you!
[12:45] <vader1102> and I am using the dwl-g650, it was a refurb but cheap
[12:45] <balistic2> hey can install ubuntu using my ipod?
[12:45] <Goodspeed> whats a good tutorial for getting a soundcard to work?
[12:46] <thoreauputic> jakestah: I suggest a visit to http://tuxfiles.org for some basic commandline instruction ;-)
[12:46] <holycow> Cinelerra  <-- very crashy but good video editor
[12:46] <balistic2> goodspeed, try google?
[12:46] <Goodspeed> fine fine...
[12:46] <Goodspeed> how would i find out what my kernel version is?
[12:46] <holycow> kino is supposed to be decent
[12:46] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: uname -r
[12:46] <yhager> jakestah: also try 'man intro' for some introduction of the basic stuff..
[12:46] <vader1102> uname -r
[12:46] <balistic2> goodspeed, uname -r
[12:46] <Goodspeed> thankssss
[12:46] <vader1102> heheh got lots of responses out of that one lol
[12:47] <holycow> there is an inexpensive commercial linux video editor that probably works the best out of the bunch
[12:47] <thoreauputic> yhager: ah, didn't know about man intro - learn something new every day :)
[12:47] <kemik> balistic2:  if you can boot from your usbdevice then maybe
[12:48] <yhager> thoreauputic: yup.. sometimes the solutions are right in front of us, but we go a long way to find them elsewhere..
[12:48] <balistic2> kemik, if i put all the files from my ubuntu cd rom
[12:48] <balistic2> kemik, to my ipod will it work
[12:49] <ubuntu_> i got a problem... something wrong with my lilo... it don't display any boot screen but boots stright to windowsxp... now i bootet from ubuntu live-cd and mountet my ext3 disk, but don't know what to do... any ideas?
[12:49] <kemik> balistic2:  if it's bootable, perhaps
[12:49] <balistic2> how can i make it bootable?
[12:49] <tim> is epiphany going to be the default browser in ubuntu?
[12:49] <tim> ubuntu breezy*
[12:49] <thoreauputic> yhager: I've heard guys with 20 years unix experience say "I didn't know that one!"  :)
[12:49] <shammy> these instructions for ndiswrapper say I need a kernel with source, does ubuntu install the source on it's install?
[12:50] <HenryTonto> gents looking for a good video editer, hear that cinlerra is a bit flakey any other good ones?
[12:50] <vader1102> Seveas: shammy's question is above my knowledge
[12:50] <mcquillg> Hey all.
[12:50] <yhager> ubuntu_: look into /etc/lilo.conf (are you sure you are using lilo?).
[12:51] <mcquillg> Does Ubuntu run any ipchains rules by default?
[12:51] <ubuntu_> yhager, pretty mutch...
[12:51] <vader1102> shammy: I have no idea
[12:51] <kemik> mcquillg:  check it by doint iptables --list
[12:52] <jakestah> If I am trying to install Java for FireFox do I put the symbolic link in /etc/mozilla-firefox/plugins ?
[12:52] <vader1102> I think I had to download them for madwifi too
[12:52] <thoreauputic> mcquillg: iptables, and not really as there are no "open" ports since there are no services running by default
[12:52] <shammy> vader1102: is there any way i could use madwifi> If it;s already installed
[12:52] <vader1102> shammy: I do not know
[12:52] <yhager> ubuntu_: look for a 'default' field there - I think the list starts from 0. you probably have winxp as default, with small timeout for you to choose something else
[12:52] <mcquillg> Yes, but I'm running an https server and the connection attempts are being logged in my /var/log/messages, but not in my apache logs.
[12:52] <vader1102> shammy: wish I did
[12:53] <shammy> I'll figure this out eventually
[12:53] <vader1102> that's how I was lol
[12:53] <shammy> time to go attempt to follow these instructions
[12:53] <vader1102> Will_: having a hard time?
[12:53] <vader1102> shammy: have fun
[12:54] <jakestah> Has anyone here set up Java for Firefox?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> !java
[12:54] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[12:54] <vader1102> jakestah: not I
[12:54] <johnstock> hi
[12:54] <jakestah> !java
[12:54] <johnstock> ask!
[12:54] <thoreauputic> !tell jakestah about java
[12:55] <ubuntu_> yhager, on win xp i ran partitionmagic8 (or something like that) but it doesn't recognize my ext3... that means something is wrong?
[12:55] <holycow> no, it just doesn't support ext3
[12:55] <paulproteus> ubuntu_: It could instead mean Partition Magic isn't designed to recognize ext3 partitions.
[12:55] <fuci> I have 2HD, one with windows, and ubuntu, and one with just files and all others.. how do i mount my HD2 ?
[12:55] <paulproteus> (Though that seems unlikely....)
[12:55] <johnstock> ask! problem with ndiswrapper with broadcom wlan chipset
[12:55] <yhager> ubuntu_: if you see the partition from the livecd boot, then I guess it's ok..
[12:56] <ubuntu_> paulproteus, it does recognise...
[12:56] <onx> ver irc.laisladelax.com.ar
[12:56] <HenryTonto> I did a seach for cinelerra and got no result back, please can someone let me know of any others that i could use
[12:56] <jakestah> About the !java thing I get E: Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5 when I try it
[12:56] <vader1102> ubuntu_: I use partition magic a lot and it does see ext3
[12:56] <LasseL> I wonder how ubuntu is going to deal with openoffice2 if they refuse to distribute java
[12:56] <thoreauputic> jakestah: that's because you didn't click the link near the top of that page to see how to add the repositories :)
[12:57] <jakestah> o
[12:57] <thoreauputic> jakestah: or, you didn't update or both :)
[12:57] <ubuntu_> yhager, maby theare is some lilo autodetect... or autoconfig?
[12:57] <johnstock> ubuntu_: maybe use partition magic recovery floppy with boot
[12:57] <vader1102> HenryToronto:http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[12:57] <ixion> HenryTonto: add this source deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./
[12:57] <harold_> HEllo all
[12:58] <yhager> ubuntu_: I don't know of any. Can you paste your lilo.conf to pastebin?
[12:58] <skalpel> can u  eject the cd from my command line
[12:58] <vader1102> eject works for me
[12:58] <harold_> Anyone: Know how to compile madwifi for a PowerPC?
[12:59] <fuci> Any finnish people here ?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> skalpel: use the eject command
[12:59] <mjr> fuci, yes, but more on #ubuntu-fi
[12:59] <ubuntu_> yhager, pastebin? what is that...?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> !pate
[12:59] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[12:59] <thoreauputic> !paste
[12:59] <ubotu> somebody said paste was please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:00] <MartenH> What does this error mean and how can I correct it? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/910
[01:00] <mjr> LasseL, work is being done in getting OO.org 2 java parts to run with free java implementations
[01:00] <ubuntu_> !paste
[01:00] <yhager> ubuntu_: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:00] <vader1102> harold_http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/
[01:01] <harold_> vader1102: Thanks, but I've been there.
[01:01] <vader1102> harold_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/madwifi/ sorry for that
[01:01] <harold_> vader1102: That's okay.
[01:01] <vader1102> that was my best guess
[01:01] <MartenH> Some help anyone? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/910
[01:01] <harold_> vader1102: I'm in the middle of compiling madwifi; I just need some help with some of these variables, I think.  Like KERNELRELEASE and TARGET and such.
[01:01] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:02] <vader1102> harold_: http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/pool-sarge/madwifi/madwifi_20041023-1_i386.build
[01:02] <ubuntu_> yhager, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/911
[01:02] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it?
[01:02] <vader1102> that one may help you
[01:03] <jasoncohen> harold_, um- you do realize that madwifi is already installed on ubuntu?
[01:03] <f_newton> I am so glad that someone has finally brought a debian based os into the forefront
[01:03] <jasoncohen> harold_, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 has madwifi. all you have to do is modprobe ath_pci
[01:03] <harold_> jasoncohen: Yes, but apparently it doesn't work on PowerPC
[01:03] <harold_> jasoncohen: I mean it works, but...
[01:03] <jasoncohen> ah
[01:03] <vader1102> bbl, need to have a shower
[01:04] <jasoncohen> harold_, works, but what?
[01:04] <harold_> jasoncohen: ...I'm guessing it has to be compiled.
[01:04] <f_newton> as I go about my tasks I am just thrilled at the stability and ease of use
[01:04] <harold_> jasoncohen: You see...
[01:04] <johnstock> ask! problem with ndiswrapper with broadcom wlan chipset
[01:04] <f_newton> broadcom works very well with ndiswrapper
[01:04] <yhager> ubuntu_: it looks like it is configured correctly to boot into linux. Try to increase the delay to 200, so you'll have 20 seconds to play with the boot menu
[01:04] <Agamotto> Hallo all
[01:05] <Raf99> its funny how Ubuntu's dictionary doesn't have the word Ubuntu in it :P
[01:05] <yhager> ubuntu_: you'll need to run lilo after the change..
[01:05] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ty
[01:05] <jasoncohen> Raf99, what's ubuntu's dictionary?
[01:05] <harold_> jasoncohen: ...I compiled it before, with the assistance of a few folks here, and it worked.  Yet now that I've removed most of my Ubuntu packages, and reinstalled ubuntu-base, it no longer works.  I'm not entirely certain how to compile it correctly.  I've been trying by myself all afternoon.
[01:05] <thoreauputic> MartenH: no worries :)
[01:05] <ubuntu_> yhager, and how i must do that?
[01:05] <Raf99> in the menu...
[01:06] <Raf99> applicatons/accessories/dictionary
[01:06] <tim> I have a question about installation. If I have a wireless keyboard/mouse would I be able to install hoary using those? when would I be able to use it during the install process? Would I need a wired keyboard to install then switch over to a wireless?
[01:06] <ixion> when I try apt-get install cinelerra I get a bunch of dependency errors, can I not tell apt to download them?
[01:06] <harold_> jasoncohen: When I modprobe ath_pci I get the following error: FATAL: Module ath_pci not found.
[01:06] <yhager> ubuntu_: If I remember correctly, just run 'lilo' from the command line, although the case may be different if you booted from a livecd. Check the man page (man lilo, man lilo.conf)
[01:07] <f_newton> ubuntu uses lilo?
[01:07] <f_newton> I thought it was grub
[01:07] <Raf99> tim - from my understanding you need a wired to start the install.
[01:07] <rajiv_> I think its Gurb
[01:07] <thoreauputic> sudo lilo -v is "verbose" and helps if you made an error
[01:07] <ubuntu_> yhager, thanx for wasted time on me...
[01:07] <johnstock> f_newton: can you help me for broadcom wlan?
[01:07] <jasoncohen> f_newton, grub is used on i386 and amd64 i think
[01:07] <f_newton> lilo is limited and obsolete
[01:07] <yhager> f_newton: yes, it's grub, but ubuntu_ is pretty sure he is using lilo.. :)
[01:08] <jasoncohen> f_newton, lilo is used on ppc i believe and i know it's used on LVM root partitions
[01:08] <bimberi> tim: if your wireless k/b works for the bios - ie. to manipulate the setup menu - then there's a good chance it will work for the install
[01:08] <jasoncohen> grub can't boot off LVM
[01:08] <MartenH> thoreauputic, it tells me it can't lock /var/lib/dpkg (and btw, uname should be uname or my username?)
[01:08] <thoreauputic> jasoncohen: ppc uses "yaboot"
[01:08] <jasoncohen> thoreauputic, oh
[01:08] <bimberi> tim: not sure about the mouse tho
[01:08] <tim> bimberi, do most BIOS support wireless keyboards?
[01:08] <f_newton> johnstock not I am sorry I have known many in fedora who have had success with ndiswrapper and broadcom chipsets but I use an orinoco prism2 card
[01:08] <Nevado> any idea why Gnome won't associate VLC with movie files? If I try to add it manually it comes upw ith an error
[01:08] <tim> bimberi, and does grub (so I can use my keyboard to choose the kernel/OS to boot)
[01:08] <yhager> ubuntu_: you're welcome
[01:09] <Raf99> i've never heard of any BIOS supporting wireless.  I am getting old thou... 27 this month :S
[01:09] <thoreauputic> MartenH: close synaptic or whatever other instance of apt is running: type the command literally as i gave it
[01:09] <bimberi> tim: some do.  I have a PC built on a mini-itx board that does
[01:09] <f_newton> Raf99, er getting old?
[01:09] <Raf99> lol
[01:09] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[01:09] <rajiv_> anyone using beagle here?
[01:09] <f_newton> Raf99, my wireless comes on as I boot the install
[01:09] <bimberi> tim: (to your 2nd q) - yes - with similar qualifications
[01:09] <Agamotto> Old at 27.....
[01:09] <MartenH> thoreauputic, sorry, forgot i had synaptic open in another workspace. getting the pacakge now
[01:10] <Raf99> hehe, i'm out folks.
[01:10] <tim> bimberi, thx a lot :)
[01:10] <thoreauputic> MartenH: easy to do ;)
[01:10] <f_newton> but no bios does not initiate a wifi connect but it can initiate a pcmcia card
[01:10] <Raf99> time to watch 4400.
[01:10] <bimberi> Raf99: You're a spring chicken mate :)
[01:10] <f_newton> yeah Raf99 is just a baby
[01:10] <Raf99> are you calling me a chick :|   ( hehe )
[01:11] <jasoncohen> Nevado, works fine here- right click the file, properties, open with and choose VLC.
[01:11] <jasoncohen> "vlc media player"
[01:11] <stevenj> just thought I would let everyone know that www.google.com no longer works with the official firestarter (1.0.1) but does however work with backports firestarter (1.0.3) thats crazy it just started not working
[01:11] <bimberi> Raf99: :)
[01:11] <f_newton> stevenj it works for me
[01:11] <f_newton> but I use 1.05
[01:11] <f_newton> uh 6
[01:12] <f_newton> heh
[01:12] <thoreauputic> MartenH: just FYI, the $(uname -r) part of that expands to your kernel version ( type uname -r to see what I mean)
[01:12] <jasoncohen> stevenj, you sure?
[01:12] <stevenj> well until today it worked 1.0.1 so who knows
[01:12] <stevenj> no changes
[01:12] <LokeDK> where's the sshd log?
[01:12] <jasoncohen> stevenj, that didn't happen to me
[01:12] <f_newton> stevenj 1.01 is old
[01:12] <Nevado> jasoncohen, when I do that it says "Could not add application to the application database"
[01:13] <stevenj> yes but thats the "official" ubuntu version
[01:13] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I figured that out on my own :) But thanks, it's always nice to know what I'm doing and not just follow blindly
[01:13] <stevenj> so now I use backports and it works again
[01:13] <CircleofChaos> Is there a channel I can go to, to ask computer hardware questions or can I ask it here?
[01:13] <Nevado> jasoncohen, works fine for any other apps... however mine is called "VLC for GNOME" rather than "VLC media player"
[01:13] <thoreauputic> MartenH: cool :) And yes, that's why I mentioned it
[01:13] <CircleofChaos> May I?
[01:13] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I guess I need gcc to. will that package suffice or should I get any of the multitude of other gcc packages avaliabe
[01:13] <jasoncohen> Nevado, so, what happens when you choose "vLC for gnome"?
[01:14] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:14] <direwolf> i was getting an error with the backports all day. I forget what the mirror is..its on forums somewhere
[01:14] <chrischio> hm...
[01:14] <Nevado> jasoncohen, it comes up with that error (could not add application to application database)
[01:14] <stevenj> maybe it was just me...but that was my solution...for whats it worth :) now I eat. :)
[01:14] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ah ok, ty
[01:14] <linlin> Has anyone ever used CrossoverOffice on ubuntu?
[01:14] <linlin> I cant get it to work :(
[01:14] <f_newton> stevenj mine says ver1.06 and its the one that came with the install
[01:14] <thoreauputic> MartenH: apt-cache show build-essential for info :)
[01:14] <chrischio> i downloaded, ./configured, maked and make installed pure-ftpd  ...  and now? how to start it???
[01:15] <stevenj> f_newton, hmm
[01:15] <Nevado> jasoncohen, I have gnome-vlc, vlc, vlc-gnome, and wxvlc installed - think any of those need removing maybe?
[01:15] <linlin> chrischio, /etc/init.d/ftpd start most likely
[01:15] <jasoncohen> does mozilla-plugin-vlc work with firefox?
[01:15] <linlin> if not cd /etc/init.d and look for it
[01:15] <DrFalken> hi people!
[01:15] <cefx> jason!
[01:15] <cefx> :)
[01:15] <auk> !info lilypond
[01:15] <jasoncohen> Nevado, have you used vlc? is the package vlc installed?
[01:15] <ubotu> lilypond: (A program for typesetting sheet music), section universe/tex, is optional. Version: 2.2.6-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1030 kB, Installed size: 2908 kB
[01:15] <auk> oh
[01:15] <MartenH> thoreauputic, noted :)
[01:15] <stevenj> f_newton, official Fs version http://www.fs-security.com/news.php#release-1.0.3
[01:16] <stevenj> versions
[01:16] <Nevado> jasoncohen, yeah VLC works fine, just GNOME won't associate it with filetypes so I have to keep running it from the commandline... biut annoying
[01:16] <jasoncohen> Nevado, actually it shows up as "VLC for Gtk+"
[01:16] <DrFalken> i'm having trouble running my .xsession file
[01:16] <balistic2> can i install ubuntu using network boot
[01:16] <CircleofChaos> Is it possible to use a 115V Computer in Europe?
[01:16] <deprave> what package is gstreamer-interfaces in?
[01:16] <DrFalken> i'm using gdm from login
[01:16] <Nevado> jasoncohen, I have that too... same error... I'll try removing the "vlc-gnome" package and see if that helps
[01:16] <bimberi_> bah - modem dropped out
[01:16] <CircleofChaos> What will I need to make it happen?
[01:17] <stevenj> f_newton, strange because 1.0.3 is the newest
[01:17] <jasoncohen> Nevado, that is weird
[01:17] <linlin> Has anyone ever used CrossoverOffice on ubuntu?
[01:17] <chrischio> linlin - nothing there..
[01:17] <jasoncohen> Nevado, i'm getting the same things here now
[01:17] <thoreauputic> MartenH: for more info than you ever dreamed of, sudo apt-get install apt-howto-en ; then run apt-howto froma terminal ! ;-)
[01:17] <stevenj> f_newton, what does help --> about say?
[01:17] <Agamotto> CircleofChaos:  Usually, yes.  Flip the little switch on the back of the power supply, then plug in a lead with the right end bits.
[01:17] <Nevado> jasoncohen, did it work for you before? :\
[01:17] <deprave> what package is gstreamer-interfaces in?
[01:17] <linlin> chris try jsut ftpd start in a console
[01:17] <linlin> or proftpd start
[01:17] <linlin> etc etc
[01:17] <f_newton> ver 1.06
[01:18] <chrischio> pure ftpd^
[01:18] <thoreauputic> MartenH: or the equivalent package for your language of course...
[01:18] <linlin> you get the idea
[01:18] <f_newton> stevenj this is not my first rodeo
[01:18] <bimberi_> CircleofChaos: Depends.  Some h/w (eg. laptop power supplies) have dual-voltage.  Some don't even need a switch and are auto-sensing.
[01:18] <stevenj> f_newton, well where does that version come from I wonder....its not versioned like that on the FS site
[01:18] <CircleofChaos> Agamotto, where do I get the correct power cable to use in Europe?
[01:18] <CircleofChaos> Does newegg sell it?
[01:19] <jasoncohen> Nevado, just add custom application "vlc"
[01:19] <jasoncohen> that works
[01:19] <DrFalken> i'm having trouble running my .xsession file... it isn't loaded when i login in GDM...
[01:19] <Agamotto> CircleofChaos:  Try an online store such as cyberguys or ipower.  They should have the correct leads
[01:19] <Nevado> jasoncohen, typed in rather than selected?
[01:19] <f_newton> stevenj  its the latest version of firefox ok? it probably updated on installation of ubuntu
[01:19] <MartenH> thoreauputic, ok :)
[01:19] <MartenH> thoreauputic, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/912 please?
[01:20] <thoreauputic> DrFalken: choose the defult in the sessions list
[01:20] <f_newton> stevenj versions 1.04 and down have serious security errors
[01:20] <Nevado> jasoncohen, ah yes that works... cheers... that's odd though!
[01:20] <DrFalken> thanx bud!!!
[01:20] <DrFalken> i'll check that
[01:20] <chrischio> linlin - hmm... cursor blinks but nothing happens..
[01:20] <Zodiac> Sup ya'll
[01:20] <jasoncohen> Nevado, yes it is
[01:20] <stevenj> f_newton, I am not even taking about Firefox-I am talking about FS (Firestarter)
[01:20] <Agamotto> Firestarter - that is a firewall, yes?
[01:20] <f_newton> lol oh... well gee guess I saw that wrong
[01:21] <CircleofChaos> Thank you! I will try the stores. :)
[01:21] <MartenH> thoreauputic, it almost looks like the file I downloaded wasn't correct.. odd.. it is stated as working
[01:21] <stevenj> :)
[01:21] <Zodiac> Question, I have an IBM laptop with a USB disk drive... but I can't get the bitch to work...
[01:21] <thoreauputic> MartenH: this one I can't help with, I'm afraid
[01:21] <Zodiac> Is there something I should be doing then just plugging it in??
[01:22] <f_newton> well tell her you'll buy her a volvo
[01:22] <thoreauputic> MartenH: are you following a howto?
[01:22] <MartenH> thoreauputic, darn. ok well I'll try another version and hopefully it won't have those errors
[01:22] <f_newton> then you can sit home with your ibm laptop
[01:22] <MartenH> thoreauputic, yes, however it only stated to run the "make" command which, as you see, isn't wokring :/
[01:23] <thoreauputic> MartenH: check to see if you need automake
[01:23] <Goodspeed> someone say goodspeed
[01:23] <Goodspeed> i wanna test my soundcard
[01:23] <kaffeend> heya
[01:23] <_SWAT_> is there a way of seeing which packages I have installed on my PC? (instead of remembering them all)
[01:23] <MartenH> thoreauputic, FYI http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/install.html
[01:23] <Goodspeed> sommeone say goodspeed
[01:23] <HollowFrank> /nick Sphere_o_ph33r
[01:23] <Goodspeed> so i can test my soundcard
[01:24] <misfit_toy> goodspeed
[01:24] <bretzel> Hello there, Where to put nice Ubuntu screenshots ?
[01:24] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me what I need to do to play games on Ubunto please?
[01:24] <Goodspeed> damn
[01:24] <f_newton> goodspeed
[01:24] <f_newton> not working?
[01:24] <Goodspeed> the internal sound player thing beeps
[01:24] <Goodspeed> not my speakers :(
[01:24] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, try Cedega
[01:24] <f_newton> misfit_toy, watcha doon in here?  lol
[01:24] <harold_> Who is this Seveas?
[01:24] <harold_> LOL
[01:24] <_SWAT_> Seveas is a very helpfull person :D
[01:25] <Goodspeed> i hear something when i hit default sink and set it to alsa
[01:25] <bretzel> And also I need where to get latest KDE (3.4.2) ... -> kubuntu repo ???
[01:25] <_SWAT_> bretzel, try a webspace somewhere? :P
[01:25] <harold_> Hey Ubuntuheads, I got my Wi-Fi connection working again!  Madwifi!
[01:25] <Goodspeed> but when i set deafult source to alsa and test it freezes
[01:25] <kaffeend> SWAT I am reading that page and I'm completely lost - looks like I have to write the games myself lol
[01:25] <Goodspeed> and i hear nothing
[01:25] <InquiringMind> Because Ubuntu is open source and there are tons more people working on it, more than there are with the Mac OS X, why isnt Ubuntu so much better and easier to use than OSX
[01:25] <bretzel> _SWAT_: :-) indeed I am stupid :-)
[01:25] <thoreauputic> MartenH: did you edit the makefile as it suggests? INCLUDEDIR=/path_to_kernel_source/include  << run dpkg -L linux-headers-$(uname -r) to see where it installed
[01:26] <glick> hey does anyone have any idea why my shit segfaulted when i tried to build backports of the breezy wxpython src package?
[01:26] <harold_> It's mad, I tell ya!Q
[01:26] <harold_> (Maddening.)
[01:26] <harold_> Am I alone here?
[01:26] <MartenH> thoreauputic, in the process of doing so now :)
[01:26] <glick> it was building fine for like 40 mins
[01:26] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, just pay up the 3 euro's a month and buy the program. Then you can play lots of games and even have a nice GUI (point2play) :D
[01:26] <thoreauputic> MartenH: unless it *really* needs the full linux-source
[01:26] <glick> then segfaulted and the build aborted
[01:26] <glick> i need the latest wxpython
[01:26] <tim> InquiringMind, because very few people are getting payed for workin on ubuntu....
[01:26] <kaffeend> SWAT cool... I will do that then! Thankyou
[01:26] <elvirolo> hi all
[01:26] <kaffeend> SWAT are you Seveas?
[01:27] <Razor-X> Seveas has become famous here, I see ;)
[01:27] <direwolf> not to mention its a newer distro
[01:27] <elvirolo> i want to add the volume control applet in the gnome panel, but it doesn't work... could anyone help me?
[01:27] <kaffeend> indeed
[01:27] <thoreauputic> MartenH: note that in ubuntu kernel-source becomes linux-source
[01:27] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, no I'm not Seveas. Why should my name be SWAT otherwise?
[01:27] <Razor-X> Seveas: if you're listening, a nice spreadsheet equilavent for LaTeX is LaTeXss
[01:28] <_SWAT_> or Calc (openoffice)
[01:28] <glick> any one successfully backport wxpython2.6.0 to hoary?
[01:28] <kaffeend> SWAT - you could be hiding/spying/avoiding wife
[01:28] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: does that take the purpose of LaTeX?
[01:28] <elvirolo> anyone?
[01:28] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, LOL (I'm a happy single guy, it has his advantages)
[01:29] <MartenH> thoreauputic, same errors sadly. But they look to be code-related rather than some inclusion issues... I'll do some looking around. perhaps I can get hold of the author
[01:29] <cefx> anyone here run cedega?
[01:29] <kaffeend> SWAT - I know ;)
[01:29] <Razor-X> cefx: #cedega ;)
[01:29] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: normally you right click the panel, run down the list and add it...
[01:29] <cefx> I'm in there.
[01:29] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, no sorry. I just read spreadsheet program so I answered the call ;-)
[01:29] <cefx> Nobody is talk.
[01:29] <Razor-X> heh, meh
[01:29] <cefx> talking
[01:29] <_SWAT_> cefx, I'm
[01:29] <direwolf> i thought it was there by default
[01:29] <kaffeend> Razor-X are you intending to play many games?
[01:29] <FuMo> any here one got ruby on rails working?
[01:29] <MartenH> thoreauputic, thanks for all the help so far!
[01:29] <Razor-X> yeah, I prefer non-WYSIWYG, because WYSIWYG becomes a pain, but if Gnumeric is nice...
[01:30] <Razor-X> kaffeend: hmmm?
[01:30] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, oh hi again
[01:30] <thoreauputic> MartenH: good luck - you seem to be thinking which is refreshing ;-)
[01:30] <Razor-X> then i'll use it, and convert it to LaTeX format to make it beautiful! ;)
[01:30] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, yes i did that, but it just won't add it to the panel
[01:30] <cefx> _SWAT_, cedega does not see my c_drive/windows directories.
[01:30] <kaffeend> Razor-X sorry I thought you were ASKING about cedega - my bad
[01:30] <cefx> I don't understand why.
[01:30] <Razor-X> kaffeend: meh
[01:31] <Agamotto> Cedega - that is the softs that allow you to play windows games, yes?
[01:31] <_SWAT_> cefx, check the forums (post something) and wait. And/or say something on IRC and just wait. I'm quite new to Cedega
[01:31] <thoreauputic> elvirolo: ah - have you tried refreshing the panel? killall gnome-panel (don't worry, it respawns)
[01:31] <goldfish> Agamotto: yes.
[01:31] <brad[] > Is Luxi sans available for Ubuntu?
[01:31] <brad[] > (The font)
[01:31] <kaffeend> Agamotto - yup, as far as I know
[01:31] <Razor-X> I converted my special friend (how special, I won't say ;) to Ubuntu
[01:31] <Agamotto> Hmmm, I wonder if it will allow you to play stuff like Baldur's Gate 2 and the upcoming Civ4?
[01:32] <glick> anyone here backport wxpython from breezy to hoary?
[01:32] <InquiringMind> How do I configure 3D acceleration for VIA so that I can use 3d desktop ?
[01:32] <Agamotto> I shall have to investigate
[01:32] <Razor-X> Civ4... mmmm, I would love to play that game
[01:32] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, nice :)
[01:32] <thoreauputic> brad[] : not sure - but have you installed msttcorefonts ? (from multiverse)
[01:32] <Razor-X> I have a Windows partition _just_ for Civ 3
[01:32] <elvirolo> thoreauputic, actually i've already tried it yeah
[01:32] <kaffeend> I'm a Ubuntu/Linux n00b so I'm hangin here hoping to learn something
[01:32] <direwolf> hey i resemble that remark razor :P
[01:32] <brad[] > thoreauputic: Yeah - luxi sans comes with Xorg usually though it's not a Microsoft font
[01:32] <kaffeend> hopefully about cedega
[01:32] <FuMo> I converted from gentoo when i recked my laptop battary leaving it to compile for a week
[01:32] <Razor-X> direwolf: hmmmm?
[01:32] <Agamotto> kaffeend:  Like any other chat channel, just mind your manners and you will do ok
[01:32] <direwolf> same here kaffeend
[01:32] <_SWAT_> kaffeend, try the forums (of both cedega and ubuntu :D)
[01:32] <thoreauputic> brad[] : ah OK - i was just guessing, frankly ;)
[01:32] <Razor-X> kaffeend: try #cedega
[01:32] <direwolf> though, not about cedega
[01:33] <jasoncohen> does mozilla-plugin-vlc work in firefox?
[01:33] <jasoncohen> it doesn't appear to
[01:33] <Vladi> hi, im trying to decide which file system to use on a network file server ( dual p3-450Mhz / 512 RAM / 100Mbits NIC ) files will be mostly ~700MB and MP3's shared over NFS? ReiserFS,Reiser4,ext3,XFS,JFS? thx!
[01:33] <kaffeend> I wanna know if Cedega will alow me to port the 64 bit vers of Far Cry
[01:33] <Agamotto> Cegega URL is transgaming.org for those who are interested
[01:33] <Razor-X> Vladi: ~700?
[01:33] <Razor-X> does that mean not 700 MB?
[01:33] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:33] <kaffeend> and yes, I have all those sites/pages up
[01:33] <Agamotto> 64 bit??? eeek
[01:33] <direwolf> approx
[01:34] <InquiringMind> How do I configure 3D acceleration for VIA so that I can use 3d desktop ?
[01:34] <_SWAT_> Vladi, that's not much. (700MB). I would say ext2 or even better ext3. It just works :)
[01:34] <maswan> Vladi: ext3 seems fine for 100Mbit/s network2
[01:34] <kaffeend> Razor_X I'll check that channel soon ;)
[01:34] <_SWAT_> Vladi, it isn't that big of a deal, just choose one
[01:34] <Razor-X> Vladi: a 700 MB partition, or what?
[01:34] <elvirolo> any idea anyone?
[01:34] <kaffeend> Agamotto what "eeek"?
[01:34] <Razor-X> you people shouldn't reccomend any old blah partition ;)
[01:34] <Vladi> Razor-X: ~ means approximately 700MB files
[01:35] <Razor-X> Vladi: ahhh, there we go
[01:35] <andy_> reiserfs is ok
[01:35] <Razor-X> Vladi: ok, here we are
[01:35] <sbj> bye
[01:35] <Razor-X> ReiserFS isn't for your needs
[01:35] <majic> any ideas why firefox 1.0.6 would tell me that the flash plugin is failing to install. I've done it about a million times on various boxes and this is the first time I've got that message. This is a brand new Hoary install with all current updates.
[01:35] <Razor-X> ReiserFS will be for a lot of small files
[01:35] <nox> ext3 = ext2 + journaling FS support.
[01:35] <Razor-X> now, you would like to take a look at jfs, xfs, or the generic ext2/ext3
[01:35] <glick> damnit i need this damn library workin
[01:35] <maswan> ext3 will be the one most used around the world, so it will be most stable
[01:35] <Razor-X> both ext2 and ext2 are nice an solid, but nothing special
[01:35] <Vladi> can u guys elaboraty why one over the other i heard ext3 beacuse of its many recovery tools and does not stress hard drives as much
[01:35] <Razor-X> xfs is insanely fast
[01:36] <Razor-X> and jfs is great for server environments
[01:36] <kaffeend> well, I'ma gonna check #cedega later peeps
[01:36] <nox> Razor-X is right. RFS`s speciallity is small files - but in general it is better from EXT3
[01:36] <maswan> if you have performance demands above 100-200MByte/s, you might want to take a look at xfs/jfs
[01:36] <kaffeend> and thanks guys again
[01:36] <holycow> slick
[01:36] <K-Rich> how do i add and remove locations from the places menu ?
[01:36] <holycow> western digital hds come in black
[01:36] <maswan> (oh, an really take a good look at what hardware you are running that on)
[01:36] <holycow> weird, never seen that b4
[01:36] <zedrontz> hola
[01:36] <Razor-X> on a server, I don't think journaling will be _that_ useful, but that's just my opinion
[01:37] <FuMo> razor-x: surly that is when its most useful?
[01:37] <zedrontz> euskaldunik bai hemen inguruan??
[01:37] <Razor-X> FuMo: and why?
[01:37] <zedrontz> join #lagunak
[01:37] <Razor-X> if it's a bunch of MP3s, is journaling that neccessary?
[01:37] <david_> hello
[01:37] <Razor-X> i'ld think journaling is most useful in an environment when you _need_ to keep track of the files
[01:38] <FuMo> Razor-X:generally servers hold information that requires data intergrity
[01:38] <Razor-X> but, in this purpose, it's just MP3s
[01:38] <glick> all the md5 checksums match
[01:38] <searcher`> Razor-X: when you see that ext2 filesystem eats itself after the system loses power you'll be glad when you went with ext3 :-)
[01:38] <glick> wtf
[01:38] <maswan> FuMo: they only do metadata journaling, not data
[01:38] <Razor-X> searcher`: for _these_ purposes, I think journaling is useless, because it's more of a waste of space here
[01:39] <Harold> Afternoon from my part of the world, everyone.
[01:39] <FuMo> but for this size file system
[01:39] <K-Rich> can anyone here help me with a small gnome issue?
[01:39] <FuMo> granted dont use gournaling for a boot partion
[01:39] <maswan> Razor-X: the journal doesn't really take up significant space, indeed, you might win it back if you get a slightly more efficient on-disk format
[01:39] <FuMo> or similar small partions
[01:39] <InquiringMind> Does anybody know where I can get a proprietary VIA driver?
[01:39] <Harold> Anyone: What's your opinion on the best compression utility?  One all-around utility that includes zip, tar, and the like?  I don't want to have to install too many separate ones.
[01:40] <Razor-X> i'll stand by my claim that, on an MP3 server, I wouldn't want journaling, but that's just me ;)
[01:40] <searcher`> Razor-X: it really doesn't use any space at all
[01:40] <glick> tar and bz2
[01:40] <LinuxJones> K-Rich, search the wiki for smeg download and install it
[01:40] <Razor-X> Harold: 7z is nice
[01:40] <Harold> jasoncohen: Got madwifi working on my Mac again.
[01:40] <searcher`> now the reserved space for root EATS space
[01:40] <jasoncohen> Harold, nice, how did you do it?
[01:40] <Harold> Razor-X: 7z, huh?  Never heard of it.
[01:40] <glick> but you need all of the seperate ones cause some people use zip
[01:40] <searcher`> it defaults to 5% (which is insane for large drives)
[01:40] <FuMo> 7z is worth using
[01:40] <glick> some use bz
[01:40] <jasoncohen> ...so, no one uses the vlc plugin? i can't get it to work with mozilla or mplayer
[01:40] <Razor-X> Harold: 7zip is a pretty new format
[01:40] <Harold> jasoncohen: Compiled it right, I guess.
[01:40] <glick> some use bz2 and others use rar
[01:40] <Harold> Razor-X: Yes, but does 7z include tar and rar, etc?
[01:40] <K-Rich> LinuxJones: i have smeg... it doesn't let you edit the Places menu
[01:40] <maswan> Razor-X: I disagre, I like it, since doing an e2fsck on a large filesystem is quite annoying in that it takes so long
[01:40] <glick> so you may as well have them all, they dont take up too much disk space
[01:41] <direwolf> i use 7zip on windows boxes
[01:41] <Razor-X> Harold: you computer should have tar included, and 7z can handle rar, if i'm not mistaken
[01:41] <_SWAT_> is there a way of seeing which packages I have installed on my PC? (instead of remembering them all)
[01:41] <Harold> Razor-X: I'll install 7z then.
[01:41] <Razor-X> _SWAT_: dpkg -l
[01:41] <jasoncohen> _SWAT_, you can check in synaptic or dpkg -l
[01:41] <searcher`> K-Rich: you can add additional locations to Places by bookmarking a directory in nautilus. It's in the menu
[01:41] <K-Rich> _SWAT_: dpkg -l
[01:41] <Harold> Anyone else have an opinion on this?
[01:41] <LinuxJones> K-Rich, argh, sorry I just assumed it did
[01:41] <holycow> jasoncohen, not me i've always liked streams to play in dedicated standalone apps.  i am going to hire someone to write an epiphany extension so that i can click on a stream and have it open automatically in the right app
[01:41] <holycow> :/
[01:42] <_SWAT_> Razor-X, jasoncohen, K-Rich, thnx guys :D
[01:42] <Harold> jasoncohen: I found the instruction I needed to compile (specifically on a Mac) here: http://madwifi.sourceforge.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=power_pc
[01:42] <Razor-X> holycow: it's your opinion ;), everythin in one, or one in everything
[01:42] <Razor-X> (I prefer one in everything)
[01:42] <direwolf> i like 7zip as well harold
[01:42] <Harold> holycow: Forget streaming.  Podcasting is where it's at these days.  Get BashPodder.
[01:42] <direwolf> and yeah it handles rar
[01:42] <holycow> podcasting?
[01:42] <holycow> heh
[01:43] <holycow> no thanks
[01:43] <holycow> :)
[01:43] <Harold> direwolf: Thanks for your input on this.
[01:43] <Harold> holycow: Why not?
[01:43] <Razor-X> the whole podcasting/blogger words are useless uses of the English language
[01:43] <direwolf> np
[01:43] <holycow> Harold, its just an alergic reaction to steve jobs
[01:43] <kaffeend> whoever sent me to #cedega thanks, but nobody is talking there.
[01:43] <Razor-X> podcast == MP3s on RSS
[01:43] <Razor-X> blog == any old website
[01:43] <direwolf>  dont own an ipod
[01:43] <Harold> holycow: Podcasting has nothing to do with Steve Jobs; it began in the open source community.
[01:43] <FuMo> holycow: steve jobs jumped on the bandwagon
[01:44] <Razor-X> _years_ before the term ``blog'' was coined, websites used to update daily or weekly
[01:44] <holycow> really?
[01:44] <Harold> FuMo: That's exactly right.
[01:44] <holycow> is it an open protocol? is it a protocol at all?
[01:44] <FuMo> community yes but open source?
[01:44] <Razor-X> I really don't understand why everyone likes the words ``blog'' and ``podcasting'' so much ;)
[01:44] <Razor-X> holycow: it's RSS
[01:44] <direwolf> listen to a couple of the podcasts though...twit,diggnation mainly
[01:44] <holycow> ah
[01:44] <Razor-X> like I said, it's a uselessly coined word
[01:44] <holycow> weird
[01:44] <Harold> holycow: Yes; Adam Curry began an open source project called iPodder, which took off.  Apple just jumped in recently.
[01:44] <Agamotto> A question for those using Ubuntu and love to experiment:  when you go from say, the i386 kernel to the Athlon kernel, what sort of broken programs/processes can one expect?
[01:44] <mjr> Agamotto, none
[01:44] <jaegerMeister> hi folks
[01:44] <f_newton> is there any way to check the color depth of an ubuntu installation?
[01:44] <mjr> Agamotto, if you have an athlon, that is
[01:44] <Goodspeed> how do i find packages?
[01:44] <Razor-X> I listen to TWiT, KFI, diggnation, and tllts
[01:44] <Goodspeed> apt-get find
[01:44] <Goodspeed> ?
[01:44] <jaegerMeister> what is the default root password in ubuntu?
[01:44] <holycow> Harold, thx for the heads up, i'll give it a google
[01:45] <MartenH> thoreauputic, Ok, I think I managed to build the driver.. I ran make install instead and it didn't yield any errors and I got a ov51x.ko file in /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/usb/media am I reading this right?
[01:45] <Razor-X> Goodspeed: apt-cache search
[01:45] <Harold> Razor-X: Alot of people don't like the term "podcasting", but it stuck and so even the most diehard against it are using it to keep things simple.
[01:45] <direwolf> whatever you made it
[01:45] <thoreauputic> Agamotto: using the right kernel won't break anything :)
[01:45] <f_newton> jaegerMeister, that one is sudo and your user psswd
[01:45] <Agamotto> mjr:  So, the nvidia setup and all that will stay the same and work properly if you have installed the nvidia drivers?
[01:45] <Razor-X> Harold: I hate the word ``blog''
[01:45] <LinuxJones> Goodspeed, apt-cache search <file>
[01:45] <Razor-X> it's one of those words that really prick at me
[01:45] <jaegerMeister> ok thanks f_newton :)
[01:45] <mjr> Agamotto, if you boot the athlon kernel on an i386, on the other hand, you can expect it not to :)
[01:45] <FuMo> Razor-X: what about bliky then?
[01:45] <thoreauputic> MartenH: I have no idea ;)
[01:45] <MartenH> thoreauputic, lol, ok
[01:45] <Razor-X> FuMo: hmmm?
[01:45] <mjr> Agamotto, haven't the foggiest on out-of-tree proprietary drivers
[01:45] <thoreauputic> MartenH: sounds impressive though ;)
[01:46] <mjr> may be that they'd need to be recompiled, may not
[01:46] <andy_> anyone got sound working on a thinkpad 600?
[01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: Yeah, the term "blog" isn't pretty.  But again, it's what the technology/technique has come to be called, so I use it, too.
[01:46] <Razor-X> Harold: why waste perfectly good words on nothing?
[01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: It *is* an ugly-sounding word, though, isn't it?
[01:46] <thoreauputic> MartenH: the test is whether you can modprobe it I suppose
[01:46] <Razor-X> I still don't understand....
[01:46] <Razor-X> Harold: yeah, it is
[01:46] <cefx> .deb files are installed with dpkg -i right?
[01:46] <FuMo> Razor-X:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bliki
[01:46] <majic> any ideas why firefox 1.0.6 would tell me that the flash plugin is failing to install. I've done it about a million times on various boxes and this is the first time I've got that message. This is a brand new Hoary install with all current updates.
[01:46] <f_newton> so is ubuntu
[01:46] <direwolf> running ubuntu on my old laptop :( i need new computers
[01:46] <Agamotto> mjr:  I have an Athlon 2400, and haven't gathered the courage to move to the Athlon kernel image, as I don't want stuff to stop working.  I know that I can go back to the 386 kernel, but just wanted to do some brain-picking
[01:46] <f_newton> but I bet thats regionally specific
[01:46] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me if Cedega will allow me to run the 64 bit version of FarCry please?
[01:46] <Razor-X> but the fact of hte matter is, the web page was updated on a regular basis from the time of 14.4 k/s internet
[01:46] <Harold> Razor-X: They thought it was cool to shorten the term "weblog".
[01:47] <f_newton> and would not sound so if i were from a different region of the world
[01:47] <Razor-X> s/hte/the/
[01:47] <Harold> Razor-X: "Blog" sounds like a booger or something.
[01:47] <searcher`> Agamotto: just install linux-686
[01:47] <direwolf> hahaha
[01:47] <Razor-X> Harold: ``they'' also use ``OMG WTF???!!!111''
[01:47] <Harold> "I'm working on my blog hear...achooo!"
[01:47] <Agamotto> searcher:  That would work fine with an Athlon chip?
[01:47] <chrischio> is there a way to get the files showed in the same window when changing dir?? on every dir-change a new window(old closed) is not nice on slower systems!!
[01:48] <f_newton> blog was coined by the us republican party wasnt it?
[01:48] <direwolf> would 686 work with a k6-2?
[01:48] <MartenH> thoreauputic, I guess it didn't work then "/ darn
[01:48] <searcher`> Agamotto: that one does on my Barton 2600+
[01:48] <Harold> Razor-X: Still, I use the term - it's done and the arguments about the term are over.  Same with the term "podcast", though I'll bet Microsoft wants to change that one.
[01:48] <Razor-X> whoever it was coined by, it's a _useless_ word
[01:48] <Razor-X> nothing like the elegance of ``adware''
[01:48] <thoreauputic> MartenH: leave out the .ko
[01:48] <searcher`> Agamotto: although i don't really notice any improvement from changing
[01:48] <Razor-X> or ``spyware''
[01:48] <direwolf> i dont think its the word itself even just that you hear it everywhere now
[01:48] <Harold> Razor-X: Apparently Microsoft employees refer to podcasts as "blogcasts".
[01:48] <FuMo> yer that wont last tho
[01:48] <Razor-X> Harold: noooo!!!!
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: How's that for your worst nightmare of a term?
[01:49] <Agamotto> searcher:  Ok, thanks for the advice.  I am trying to get rid of Win completely this year, and so far Ubuntu is making it easy
[01:49] <f_newton> Razor-X, consider the source...
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: I'm serious.
[01:49] <Razor-X> I will henceforth call it... Internet Radio!!! ;)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> MartenH:  mean, when you do sudo modprobe <modulename>
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: Yes, good idea.
[01:49] <Razor-X> f_newton: heh, yeah, if that's the source... ;)
[01:49] <f_newton> Agamotto, its easy to dump windows
[01:49] <Agamotto> Now I just have to read through the transgaming site and find my favorite game to see if they will run without win
[01:49] <f_newton> that is...
[01:49] <phixion> !backports
[01:49] <andy_> chrischio yes - set always use browser in the preferences of eh... something
[01:49] <ubotu> from memory, backports is .. The Official Backports project has now officially been launched! deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[01:49] <Razor-X> how about... ``iradio''?
[01:49] <Agamotto> f_newton:  Yah, but I still like to run games as well
[01:49] <Harold> Razor-X: It's funny you say that, because that's what I've been calling it, Internet radio.  I refer to both streaming and podcasting as Internet radio.
[01:49] <FuMo> its good for apple at the moment but the term pod will become just the the word hover did in the uk
[01:49] <cefx> Christ.   Going to try another version of the file and then try to reach the author.. but first, off to bed!
[01:52] <cefx> f_newton, dpkg something
[01:52] <Razor-X> these friggin ``bloggers'' have been available since personal internet was, it's nothing _special_
[01:52] <MartenH> thoreauputic, thanks for the help, see you around
[01:52] <cefx> reconfigure-xserver xorg or something?  i don't know
[01:52] <direwolf> well you could do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:52] <f_newton> cefx thats an installation thingy
[01:52] <cefx> no its not
[01:52] <thoreauputic> MartenH: see you - sleep well :)
[01:52] <cefx> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg do that f_newton
[01:52] <cefx> and you'll get the option to change color depth
[01:52] <f_newton> that has to be done in init3 right?
[01:52] <Razor-X> but, I guess nobody cares now ;)
[01:53] <thoreauputic> cefx: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:53] <FuMo> its a fad
[01:53] <direwolf> one of the few commands i know for linux hahaha
[01:53] <Razor-X> FuMo: a stupid fad, that's what
[01:53] <f_newton> I care Razor-X but its not a popular view point
[01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, the internet gets bastardized by the non technologically advanced, deal with it.
[01:53] <direwolf> trying to get make to work for rtl8180-sa2400 driver
[01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Same thing with computers.
[01:53] <geneo93> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:53] <Chaotic_Shield> Unix wasn't easy, so out came Windows.
[01:53] <Razor-X> f_newton: i've never been ``popular'' ever
[01:53] <direwolf> ack
[01:54] <InquiringMind> Is there a limit to how long I should leave my computer on in terms of my hard disk breaking, etc?
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> It's an attempt to make computing available to the masses.
[01:54] <direwolf> xerox was first
[01:54] <FuMo> ah here we go...
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> InquiringMind, yes. If you run Windows, 2 days or less, if you run anything else, forever.
[01:54] <InquiringMind> Chaotic_Shield:  are you kidding?
[01:54] <Razor-X> well, i'm not about to say ``OMG, if the masses say it, I'll have to say it too''
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> no.
[01:54] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:54] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: not really - I have a current uptime of 40 days and lots of people extend into years
[01:54] <direwolf> inot necessarily chaotic
[01:54] <InquiringMind> i could run my computer technically forever without it breaking?
[01:54] <Chaotic_Shield> I've seen Linux systems run for a very long time.
[01:54] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: no
[01:54] <cefx> how do you uninstall something?  I forget.
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> well, assuming you don't do stupid shit
[01:55] <InquiringMind> I mean hardware wise
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Oh.
[01:55] <InquiringMind> I never open my box
[01:55] <Razor-X> InquiringMind: hardware always breaks down
[01:55] <Razor-X> as does anything mechanical
[01:55] <cefx> InquiringMind, the longer you leave it on the longer it will last.
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Your HDD, etc will wear down eventually.
[01:55] <direwolf> ive had 98se run for 20something days without a reboot
[01:55] <InquiringMind> *except my girlfriends lol *
[01:55] <cefx> Turning it on and off will hurt it more.
[01:55] <Razor-X> cefx: not true
[01:55] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: keep backups - when it goes, it goes
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> heh.
[01:55] <cefx> yes, very true Razor
[01:55] <Chaotic_Shield> Linux is nicer to your HDD because of the lack of pagefile.
[01:55] <f_newton> well so much for the dpkg reconfigure thing
[01:55] <FuMo> thoreauputic: funny thing is that because of the counter not having enough bits it roll's over after a bit over a year
[01:55] <Razor-X> leaving it on for too long means that the hard drive is constantly working it's mechanical parts
[01:55] <f_newton> next ?
[01:55] <FuMo> on linux that is
[01:55] <direwolf> hardware take more of a hit from powering on than anything else, i believe
[01:55] <cefx> when you turn something off and allow it cool down, then turn it back on it goes into a heated state where it's at higher risk for damage
[01:55] <Razor-X> which means that the computer will last much much shorter
[01:56] <niktaris> is there a ubuntu netinstall iso?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> FuMo: yes - although I thought I read that had changed with 2.6 kernels?
[01:56] <Razor-X> cefx: but, if you wait a week between the shutdown and restart, I don't think it'll hurt too much
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> cefx, yeah. Scientists have been trying to figure out how to stop it for years.
[01:56] <InquiringMind> How long has your hard drive lasted before blowing up or breaking whatever?
[01:56] <FuMo> how long has 2.6 been stable enough to use tho?
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Mine has never broken!
[01:56] <f_newton> about a year FuMo
[01:56] <InquiringMind> Chaotic Shield:  never?
[01:56] <kaffeend> Agamotto where on that page did you find the list of available games please?
[01:56] <FuMo> we still run redhad 7.2 for crying out load
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Except for when I leaned on it
[01:56] <Chaotic_Shield> Which was "user" error :-P
[01:56] <InquiringMind> lol
[01:57] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: ;)
[01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> (I'm running a laptop, where the HDD was under the palm rest)
[01:57] <searcher`> InquiringMind: 7 years and counting for the 20gb in the little server, withstanding serious abuse :-)
[01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> what a stupid freakin idea.
[01:57] <Razor-X> RH7 was the last good RH distro, IMO
[01:57] <Chaotic_Shield> Whoever designed it like that should be shot.
[01:57] <f_newton> FuMo, ubuntu, fedora, mandriva all have really changed linux
[01:57] <InquiringMind> wow....cuz i dont want to spend money on parts that will break...thinking about taking my idea of a flashdrive hard disk
[01:57] <InquiringMind> into consideration
[01:57] <FuMo> not debian?
[01:57] <Razor-X> f_newton: Debian changed it more
[01:57] <cefx> How do I change resolution if it was selected in the reconfiguring?
[01:58] <Razor-X> Fedora and Mandrake may have made Linux more user friendly, but Debian and Slackware have pushed the bleeding edge
[01:58] <cefx> "The X server does not support XRandR extension."
[01:58] <thoreauputic> !resolution
[01:58] <FuMo> DEBIAN BLEEDING EDGE?!?
[01:58] <ubotu> well, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:58] <f_newton> Razor-X, personally I like debian, but honestly it was redhat that brought linux into the forefront and effectively pitched battle with ms
[01:58] <PHZN> Is there a way to check system uptime?
[01:58] <searcher`> Razor-X: yes, seeing how debian sarge has the latest and greatest XFree :P
[01:58] <Razor-X> FuMo: Sarge was better than RH
[01:58] <FuMo> deibian is the most conservitive distribution there is
[01:58] <f_newton> the advent of modern kernels were NOT brought about by debian
[01:58] <Razor-X> searcher`: like I said, better than RH ;)
[01:58] <auk> f_newton: linux isn't in the forefront as it is
[01:58] <FuMo> how fecking long did it take to release sarge
[01:59] <FuMo> thats the reason were still running RH7
[01:59] <thoreauputic> FuMo: the development branch of debian is pretty bleeding edge
[01:59] <searcher`> Razor-X: that's no fair, jabbing your eyes out with a sharp pair of scissors is better then redhat
[01:59] <direwolf> f_newtown what happened?
[01:59] <Chaotic_Shield> distro wars suck IMO.
[01:59] <Agamotto> Ahhh, writing a cd and on the net at the same time... you just have to love linux
[01:59] <Razor-X> well, i'm assuming that people actually update ;)
[01:59] <andy_> type uptime in a console
[01:59] <f_newton> auk, any distro that only maintains a 14% usage but still gets frontpage press is a forefront os
[01:59] <Razor-X> searcher`: that's what i'm comparing it to, though ;)
[01:59] <Chaotic_Shield> It's like comparing XP Pro and XP Home. Their based on the same thing, but are meant for different markets and different things.
[01:59] <chibifs> Hey, does anyone know how to make it so the fonts don't resize in different nautilus zooms?
[01:59] <Agamotto> XP Home is almost unusable
[01:59] <searcher`> Chaotic_Shield: aren't those the exact same thing with some crap turned off for the home version?
[01:59] <f_newton> yes Agamotto
[02:00] <ChrischiO`GER> lol
[02:00] <Razor-X> searcher`: some crap not included
[02:00] <ChrischiO`GER> my gnome panel crashed   oO
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Agamotto: almost??
[02:00] <auk> Agamotto: that is beside the point
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> yup.
[02:00] <auk> true thought...
[02:00] <f_newton> xp corp is the only ms distro worth using
[02:00] <f_newton> right now
[02:00] <direwolf> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  will work
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> I LOVE YOU MILO!
[02:00] <InquiringMind> Vista's gonna suck
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> NP: Milo - Bangin'
[02:00] <auk> f_newton, no, i think soem of the older ones are better
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> EVERYONE CHECK IT OUT.
[02:00] <InquiringMind> What is the Epiphany IRC channel?
[02:00] <direwolf> yeah its been gutted
[02:00] <FuMo> xp corp is the only one with a crack as well aint it ;) ?
[02:00] <chibifs> f_newton - MCE2005 is okay if you upgrade from XP Pro
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> damn it!
[02:00] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: only if you listen to what I listen ;)
[02:00] <Chaotic_Shield> It's TSR TONIGHT!
[02:00] <esac> what do i add to xorg.conf for vmware ? i.e., i am using the nv driver, which driver should i be using ?
[02:00] <FuMo> sorry not crack, key gen
[02:01] <luminerd> Kubuntu 5.04 is that the most recent/stable (enough) version?  If there's a better one considered unstable, but not really unstable, I'd still like it I think....but if I'll be aptitude'ing the rest anyway I suppose it doesn't matter even if I get Ubuntu v 1.0? lol
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, what'd you have in mind?
[02:01] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: The Shadow Rising?
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> genre?
[02:01] <direwolf> i wasnt that optimistic to begin with but now its really gonne be bad
[02:01] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: why not join it and read the /topic ? ;-)
[02:01] <Agamotto> Hell, I plan on XP being the final windows for me.  Cedega may be the last piece in my leaving windows puzzle
[02:01] <andy_> my screensaver makes my pc freeze, though i can still send commands from another pc using ssh.. but can't get the pc alive again. ctrl 1 and stuff also don't help
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> Agamotto, and wine :-P
[02:01] <searcher`> esac: you need the vmware-tools to run a linux distro from within vmware (if you want any decent kind of speed anyways)
[02:01] <InquiringMind> thoreauputic:  i would, but --I DONT -- know the channel
[02:01] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: L'arc en Ciel, Iced Earth, Pillows, BoA (yes BoA) those types of genres ;)
[02:01] <PHZN> Is there a way to check system uptime?
[02:01] <andy_> it's that screensaver with the firework
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> ah.
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> pft.
[02:01] <Chaotic_Shield> kiddy stuff.
[02:02] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: what genre are they? ;)
[02:02] <kaffeend> can anyone tell me if I can use evolution to read my gmail please?
[02:02] <Chaotic_Shield> KIDDY STUFFS
[02:02] <FuMo> PHZN: $uptime
[02:02] <Chaotic_Shield> THAT'S WHAT GENRE :-P
[02:02] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: hah
[02:02] <chibifs> I like Under17, that's kiddy stuffs :P
[02:02] <andy_> type uptime in a console
[02:02] <InquiringMind> How do I turn off the Password Manager in Epiphany
[02:02] <chibifs> Even if it's downright dirty.
[02:02] <searcher`> kaffeend: check your gmail account, you should be able to access it through regular pop
[02:02] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: #epiphany doesn't seem to exist... #epiphany-browser maybe? dunno
[02:02] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: evolution works fine with Gmail
[02:02] <esac> searcher`: can i just apt-get install vmware-tools ?
[02:03] <kaffeend> searcher okay thanks... so it is pop then.. goodo
[02:03] <Razor-X> esac: vmware isn't free, so of course not
[02:03] <searcher`> esac: not that i'm aware off ... it can be somewhat tricky too
[02:03] <kaffeend> avanpronsen thankyou ;)
[02:03] <searcher`> esac: you need build-essential and linux-headers
[02:03] <auk> kaffeend: probably you can
[02:03] <thoreauputic> hmm.. that doesn't exist either on freenode
[02:03] <esac> Razor-X: I have a vmware license .. i dont see the tools on there tho
[02:03] <Chaotic_Shield> ROFL
[02:03] <Chaotic_Shield> TSR 2 win.
[02:03] <auk> oh
[02:03] <auk> nm
[02:03] <searcher`> esac: both are available from apt-get
[02:03] <Razor-X> esac: you can get a deb package from the site, if i'm not mitsaken
[02:04] <Razor-X> Chaotic_Shield: The Shadow Rising ?
[02:04] <kaffeend> hehe, you guys know the proper server for gmail? lol
[02:04] <Razor-X> dude, that was one of his worst books
[02:04] <Razor-X> LoC pwnz ;)
[02:04] <searcher`> esac: then you select `install vmware tools' in the vmware menu and find the vmware-tool.tar.gz in the cdrom drive
[02:04] <ChrischiO`GER> gn8
[02:04] <supernix>  just noticed that Ubuntu is again #1 on the distrowatch.com site
[02:04] <Chaotic_Shield> Razor-X, pop.gmail.com
[02:04] <searcher`> esac: lots of fun to do :-)
[02:04] <InquiringMind> how do i turn off the password manager in epiphany?
[02:04] <searcher`> esac: i think the vmware website has some general info on how to do this, it can get kinda tricky
[02:04] <kaffeend> chaotic_shield thanks
[02:04] <Razor-X> we should have Ubuntu missionaries -- except they should have really big guns
[02:05] <Razor-X> that way, we can passively _and_ aggressively convert people to Ubuntu!
[02:05] <Razor-X> guns in the sens of machinery
[02:05] <FuMo> hmm
[02:05] <Razor-X> s/sens/sense/
[02:05] <FuMo> tad extreme?
[02:05] <Seveas> Razor-X, Chaotic_Shield please keep the atmosphere in here friendly....
[02:05] <searcher`> Razor-X: Ubuntu: throwing cd's at people since 2004 :-)
[02:05] <Razor-X> searcher`: cool that ;)
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Seveas, what'd I do exactly?
[02:06] <Agamotto> Nah, keep it quiet like the Buddhists and let people come to us
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> I was joking about the kiddie stuffs
[02:06] <Razor-X> actually, the big guns should have CDs for ammo
[02:06] <Razor-X> yeah, that would be cool ;)
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> rofl
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Disc launchers
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Flaming discs of Ubuntu!
[02:06] <Chaotic_Shield> Ubuntu shurikens
[02:06] <esac> searcher`: even without vmware-tools shouldnt i still be able to get into X ?
[02:07] <Razor-X> and hey, if that's how AOL gets users, this is even _better_! ;)
[02:07] <searcher`> esac: i'm not sure, maybe using the vesa driver
[02:07] <Razor-X> esac: well, my experience, X doesen't load without the driver
[02:07] <searcher`> esac: i always install the vmware-tools package, it's not that hard really. just follow the instructions
[02:07] <Razor-X> you can either use the included packages, or the generic one
[02:07] <direwolf> aol isnt getting any users these days
[02:08] <FuMo> their adds have def stopped
[02:08] <Razor-X> so... quiet....
[02:08] <InquiringMind> how do i turn off the password manager in epiphany?
[02:08] <avanspronsen> esac, what distro?  I have not had problems with our without the vmware tools with X
[02:08] <jakestah> How would I move a file with the terminal?
[02:08] <Seveas> jakestah, mv
[02:08] <Razor-X> avanspronsen: Gentoo Stage 3 wouldn't load
[02:08] <bimberi> jakestah: mv
[02:08] <direwolf> why bother with everyone going broadband
[02:08] <jakestah> thanks
[02:08] <Seveas> InquiringMind: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[02:09] <auk> !peacock
[02:09] <ubotu> I don't know, auk
[02:09] <auk> !info peacock
[02:09] <ubotu> peacock: (A HTML Editor for GTK+/GNOME), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1.9.1-5ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 184 kB
[02:09] <direwolf> another of corporate overlords going down
[02:09] <Razor-X> Seveas: I found the LaTeX spreadsheet thingy I need
[02:09] <Razor-X> it's called LaTeXss
[02:09] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: just guessing, but since epiphany is the default gnome browser these days I wonder if the password manager hooks into the gnome keyring?
[02:09] <direwolf> too many still going strong though
[02:09] <Razor-X> (http://latexss.sourceforge.net)
[02:09] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: ok, haven't tried.  Hoary and Breezy were fine, slow until the tools were installed, but had X
[02:10] <direwolf> i live near philly ...they were gonna do a wimax thing for the whole city but comcast and verizon wanted to block it
[02:10] <Razor-X> Knoppix nowadays includes the vmware driver, so it loads up all nice
[02:10] <direwolf> they basically succeeded
[02:10] <avanspronsen> Razor-X: very handy
[02:11] <searcher`> Razor-X: really? i thought the license was very restrictive on vmware bits
[02:11] <direwolf> was going to be free wireless for everyone in the city ... bastards
[02:11] <InquiringMind> sry seveas
[02:11] <luminerd> how do I do a 2.6 kernel install?  with debian it's linux26 option at boot, is that the same here?
[02:11] <Razor-X> searcher`: well, they included it even still, so I think the generic vmware X drive isn't restricted
[02:11] <Razor-X> luminerd: it automatically installs kernel 2.6
[02:11] <bimberi> luminerd: hoary has 2.6 by default
[02:11] <direwolf> 2.6 is the default
[02:12] <Agamotto> Mine did 2.6
[02:12] <Razor-X> this isn't like Debian where default is kernel 1.0 ;)
[02:12] <luminerd> bimberi, I don't know if I have hoary.
[02:12] <FuMo> lol
[02:12] <nox> heh Razor-X :P
[02:12] <direwolf> hahaha
[02:12] <Agamotto> 1.0 cough gasp wheeze choke
[02:12] <luminerd> I got Kubuntu 5.04 - is that hoary?
[02:12] <bimberi> luminerd: do you have an ubuntu CD?  How many people on the cover?
[02:12] <Razor-X> luminerd: yes, it is
[02:12] <direwolf> yes
[02:12] <luminerd> thanks Razor-X, bimberi, dir
[02:13] <luminerd> direwolf I mean
[02:13] <luminerd> lol
[02:13] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/   << maybe some info here (FAQ etc)
[02:13] <direwolf> anyone know if the rtl8180-sa2400 driver will be in with breezy?
[02:13] <Agamotto> luminerd:  yes, optimized with KDE instead of Gnome
[02:13] <InquiringMind> thanks
[02:13] <luminerd> yea.  thanks
[02:13] <direwolf> driver for realtek cards...
[02:13] <direwolf> chipsets* i should say
[02:14] <luminerd> why is my keyboard not working?
[02:14] <Razor-X> direwolf: I don't know about that, but I know what I ate for breakfast ;)
[02:14] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: aha! irc.gnome.org #epiphany
[02:14] <Razor-X> luminerd: what kind of a keyboard is it?
[02:14] <direwolf> what did ya have razor-x?
[02:14] <FuMo> "optimized with KDE"  is that possible?
[02:14] <luminerd> Razor-X, ps/2
[02:14] <Razor-X> FuMo: it is here ;)
[02:14] <luminerd> I press enter at the boot screen, and then when I get to the language selection, it won't work to select english.
[02:14] <Razor-X> direwolf: Honey Bunches of Oats, man ;)
[02:14] <Razor-X> it's the way to go
[02:14] <direwolf> haha nice
[02:14] <Razor-X> and a bananna (part of a balanced breakfast) ;)
[02:15] <darmou> does anyone know the name of the util for setting the monitor res
[02:15] <darmou> from x?
[02:15] <direwolf> be&c for me  mmm
[02:15] <FuMo> vim
[02:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: any special keyboard layout, or such?
[02:15] <FuMo> ?
[02:15] <InquiringMind> thanks thor...
[02:15] <raDeon> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hehehehe
[02:15] <luminerd> Razor-X, no, normal.
[02:15] <ubotu> raDeon: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[02:15] <darmou> is there something in one of the menus?
[02:15] <Razor-X> luminerd: hmm... I dunno :(
[02:15] <direwolf> system > preferences > screen resolution
[02:15] <luminerd> fux0rz :(
[02:15] <Seveas> darmou, gnome-display-properties
[02:16] <Razor-X> my basic QWERTY keyboard works fine, even with an applied Dvorak layout
[02:16] <Agamotto> Speaking of bananas, we may be the last generation to enjoy eating them
[02:16] <Seveas> Agamotto -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:16] <direwolf> i saw something about that as well
[02:17] <direwolf> forget what i just said
[02:17] <direwolf> i saw nothing
[02:17] <silvertear> hey. really quickly, how do i change the horizontal spacing between icons in konqueror?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> silvertear: really slowly ;-)
[02:18] <Burgundavia> silvertear, you might have better luck in #kubuntu
[02:18] <aceb747> is someone was comparing the ubuntu repository with debians what would you say about it?
[02:18] <Mariux> what do i need to install to be able to compile most programs? Im trying to compile (since its not in resp) kpod, the kioslave for the ipod, but i get errors under ./configure. It complains about missing libstdc++, but i DO have that installed
[02:18] <Burgundavia> aceb747, basically identical
[02:18] <Seveas> aceb747, newer and more complete
[02:18] <thoreauputic> aceb747: almost identical
[02:18] <Agamotto> Ahhh, the joys of library hell
[02:18] <f_newton> yep that xorg reconfiguration did it
[02:18] <Chaotic_Shield> Mariux, try installing the libstdc++-dev package.
[02:18] <Burgundavia> aceb747, there are things in Ubuntu repos that are not in Debian (but not very many) and vice versa
[02:18] <robertj> is it quite an adventure to get wpa working with ndiswrapper drivers?
[02:18] <FuMo> aceb747: far more select on packages
[02:19] <Seveas> Mariux, you need libstdc++=dev
[02:19] <Seveas> Mariux, you need libstdc++-dev
[02:19] <Mariux> i do have that
[02:19] <Chaotic_Shield> O_O
[02:19] <Seveas> robertj, yes
[02:19] <whitefang> hello
[02:19] <Seveas> hi
[02:19] <f_newton> hello
[02:19] <whitefang> i just have to say, this distrubution is awesome.
[02:19] <Mariux> but which version?
[02:19] <aceb747> FuMo: what do you mean more select on packages?
[02:19] <Mariux> there is libstdc++ 2, 5 and 6
[02:19] <robertj> Seveas: I found some instructions yesterday about how to work with it in hoary, apt-get installed wpa_supplicant and found out that the config file looked totally different than in the example
[02:19] <stan-am> hey guys
[02:19] <f_newton> yes, as a long time fedora and rh user I have to agree this is a very good distro... too bad about the name though...
[02:19] <f_newton> lol
[02:19] <thoreauputic> whitefang: preaching to the choir here :)
[02:19] <stan-am> hi seveas, hows it goin?
[02:19] <aceb747> ubuntu seems more current than debian though
[02:20] <stan-am> is is
[02:20] <whitefang> f_newton, what's wrong with the name?
[02:20] <stan-am> it is
[02:20] <Seveas> stan-am, quite nice
[02:20] <robertj> (I mean entirely different, the config file looked like a normal config file in the example but the one in the package told me to add a list of command line paramaters and create a custom init.d entry ;)
[02:20] <Burgundavia> aceb747, the stable Debian is newer than the stable ubuntu
[02:20] <Seveas> I've been hacking up rss feeds for ubuntu today
[02:20] <robertj> oh how I loath this crappy built in wireless
[02:20] <Goodspeed> whats the best mp3 player?
[02:20] <f_newton> well it just seems a bit gutteral, like some drunk in a bar with gas
[02:20] <Seveas> Burgundavia, but most of the packages are not :)
[02:20] <Agamotto> Well, I am off to other shores... chat with you lot later
[02:20] <thoreauputic> f_newton: I think the name is one of the great things about it
[02:20] <Burgundavia> Seveas, yes
[02:20] <Mariux> and why isnt there a /usr/bin/gcc? i just have /usr/bin/gcc-X.y
[02:20] <Chaotic_Shield> robertj, you got it working, or are you bound and tied by an Ethernet cable?
[02:20] <kaffeend> having trouble with evolution/gmail... can someone help me plz?
[02:20] <FuMo> aceb747: I cant rember how many pakages debain contains it many more than most if not all other distributions, ubuntu has decided to support less of the same if that makes sence?
[02:20] <whitefang> f_newton, it's an african word.
[02:20] <stan-am> hey seveas can ya gimme a hand with some very stupid easy thing?
[02:21] <Seveas> Mariux, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[02:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> what of the advantages of debian over ubuntu?
[02:21] <f_newton> yeah ok well Im not one of those gushy eyed socialists
[02:21] <Mariux> thanks Seveas
[02:21] <thoreauputic> f_newton: that's just because you aren't african I guess ;)
[02:21] <f_newton> none flyingpenguin_
[02:21] <Seveas> stan-am, no, I'm trying to go to bed but people keep interrupting me :)
[02:21] <aceb747> Burgundavia: so if I am looking for something more current then debian is better to have?
[02:21] <f_newton> uh FlyingSquirrel32  i meahn
[02:21] <stan-am> hahahah
[02:21] <Burgundavia> f_newton, Ubuntu has nothing to gushy idea socialsim
[02:21] <stan-am> thats fine man
[02:21] <Burgundavia> aceb747, yes
[02:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: and visa versa?
[02:21] <Seveas> (it's 2:21 am here :))
[02:21] <stan-am> good night
[02:21] <whitefang> f_newton, cmon, it's the OS for HUMANS :P
[02:21] <stan-am> :)
[02:21] <f_newton> well you are right thoreauputic and I am sure I will get used to it
[02:21] <FuMo> aceb747: then ubuntu is a good balance between cutting edge and stable
[02:22] <billatq> Heh, I just upgraded to debian unstable
[02:22] <f_newton> Ive been saying it to myself for the last two days... ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu...
[02:22] <FuMo> otherwise there is always unstable ;)
[02:22] <billatq> Took a little bit for the dust to settle
[02:22] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yep - my initial reaction was similar, but I like it now
[02:22] <Goodspeed> is kaffinee anyg ood?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> Goodspeed,  if you are using gnome, muine and rb are quite nice
[02:22] <Seveas> f_newton, all 'u's in Ubutu are pronounced as oo like in good
[02:22] <robertj> burgundavia: I wouldn't say nothing but its not going to turn you into a card-toting commie
[02:22] <f_newton> its not the meaning of the word which is amazing coming from a continent engaged in bloody genocide
[02:23] <whitefang> is the amd barton cpu k7?
[02:23] <Goodspeed> ive got a pretty big library
[02:23] <Goodspeed> 2000+ songs
[02:23] <f_newton> its the way it sounds to my narrow western style ears
[02:23] <direwolf> i go through phases due to my n00bness
[02:23] <Goodspeed> which one handles big libraries best?
[02:23] <Mariux> Seveas: ok so i did that, but i get configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:24] <Mariux> since there is no /usr/bin/gcc
[02:24] <Mariux> just /usr/bin/gcc-X.Y
[02:24] <f_newton> yes whitefang I guess it is
[02:24] <kaffeend> Please help me anyone - I wanna get evolution to work with gmail, but after I tried to get my mail it failed... dunno what I'm doing :/
[02:24] <thoreauputic> f_newton: a bit like a certain country in North America which likes to throw rather large bombs around... but b=never mind, #politics
[02:24] <f_newton> the k8 is 64 bit
[02:24] <Fitzsimmons> hello all
[02:24] <cute_bettong> how well does Ubuntu and programs support AMD 64 CPU's?
[02:24] <f_newton> thoreauputic, thats the butthead who appointed himself leader not most of the people but yeah yer right
[02:24] <robertj> as far as I understand it, Ubuntu in 1950 == charity in 1600
[02:25] <robertj> err ubuntu rather
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> cute_bettong: very well
[02:25] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yeah i know - my mother was American so I'm not anti-USA
[02:25] <cute_bettong> ok thanx
[02:25] <aceb747> i like to add alot of things on the computer... i think debian is going to be the better choice for me in this case
[02:25] <Fitzsimmons> is there a webpage for what to expect in the upcoming (stable) release of ubuntu?
[02:25] <cute_bettong> it's me ChurcH_of_FoamY
[02:25] <Fitzsimmons> i.e. are there plans for gnome 2.12?
[02:25] <robertj> Americans are all crazy, just like the rest of the world ;)
[02:25] <f_newton> I am a us citizen, used to be a republican til it went nazi and I love my homeland but the current leaders leave much to be desired
[02:25] <Seveas> Fitzsimmons, ubuntu releases evolve around gnome
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: ubuntu is always released with the latest gnome
[02:26] <Seveas> breezy will have 2.12
[02:26] <kaffeend> is there an #evolution channel?
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: it's specifically set up that way
[02:26] <Mariux> thoreauputic: you can be anti-usa even though your mother was born there, you dont control where you are born
[02:26] <Seveas> breezy+1 2.14
[02:26] <Seveas> etc...
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> kaffeend: why don't you join it and find out :
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> :)
[02:26] <bimberi> Hmm...
[02:26] <bimberi> !fixsound
[02:26] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fixsound is http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[02:26] <Mariux> !fixgcc
[02:26] <ubotu> Mariux: Are you smoking crack?
[02:26] <Fitzsimmons> HrdwrBoB, Seveas: awesome - so we can expect another ubuntu release shortly after 2.12 release?
[02:26] <f_newton> lol
[02:26] <bimberi> ubotu: forget fixsound
[02:26] <ubotu> i forgot fixsound, bimberi
[02:26] <kaffeend> there is :D
[02:26] <bimberi> that's better
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Mariux: I meant I'm not against USA people - i just dislike the current government
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: release every six months
[02:26] <kaffeend> HrdwrBoB thanks
[02:26] <FuMo> aceb747: the 6 month release cycle is quite compeling if u dont have to have bleading edge and want stable
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> in april and october
[02:27] <Fitzsimmons> HrdwrBoB: is there a feature list?
[02:27] <f_newton> well thoreauputic just like 60% of the us citizenry
[02:27] <FuMo> with ubuntu that is def not debian
[02:27] <kaffeend> but I'm the only person in it
[02:27] <whitefang> what is the ipp service that's running by default?
[02:27] <robertj> I was talking to this one guy, and he had lived with the Quakers and the Jesus people and so I told him I had been reading up on intentional communities and asked him if he was interested in communism. He gave me this look like I just asked him to come lynch someone this weekend.
[02:27] <thoreauputic> f_newton: yup i hear you
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: no
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> Fitzsimmons: not that I'm aware og
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> of
[02:27] <Fitzsimmons> okay then
[02:27] <Fitzsimmons> I was hoping for a preview just like the gnome preview :P
[02:27] <kaffeend> anyone know anything about elolution? I would really appreciate some help if possible plz?
[02:28] <f_newton> thoreauputic, according to us govt figures the current regime only supports 12% of the people while sticking to the remaining 88%
[02:28] <Fitzsimmons> will it be using gcc 4?
[02:28] <esac> searcher`: what were those 2 packages i needed .. linux-headers, and ?
[02:28] <avanspronsen> kaffeend: what's up?
[02:28] <direwolf> source?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Fitzsimmons: yes to gcc 4
[02:28] <deprave> i give up on getting gaim-vv to configure correctly
[02:28] <Fitzsimmons> so ubuntu is likely going to be the first one to gcc 4 eh
[02:28] <kaffeend> avanpronsen I can't get evolution to get my gmail
[02:28] <f_newton> you are talking breezy right?
[02:28] <f_newton> due out in october?
[02:28] <Fitzsimmons> quite possibly even before gentoo
[02:28] <robertj> Fitz: it's likely to be the first big one
[02:29] <kaffeend> it tries
[02:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton thoreauputic, yes, but back to ubuntu... whats the diff between ubuntu and debian?
[02:29] <f_newton> kaffeend, whats the problem?
[02:29] <Fitzsimmons> gentoo goes stable that is
[02:29] <f_newton> ubuntu is a very nice gui based debian derrivative
[02:29] <kaffeend> avanpronsen the problem is I have ni what I'm doing! lol
[02:29] <Fitzsimmons> yes it is f_newton :)
[02:29] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: debian doesn't have gui by default?
[02:29] <f_newton> so if you already know Fitzsimmons whats the question?
[02:30] <f_newton> mine never did
[02:30] <kaffeend> f_newton Just getting some help from avanpronsen - but thanks
[02:30] <whitefang> how do i autodetect my printer? it wasn't on during installation.
[02:30] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: I don't really see much difference - I used to use debian and I prefer ubuntu, but if I had to go back to debian I wouldn't be upset: it's a great distro
[02:30] <robertj> so is Xorg in Breezy going to 7.0?
[02:30] <f_newton> ok kaffeend let me know if you continue to have gmail problems
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> whitefang: turn it on
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> go to printers
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> add printer
[02:30] <FuMo> FlyingSquirrel32: debian is very conservitive
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> it should be in the list
[02:30] <kaffeend> f_newton thanks - will do
[02:30] <whitefang> no printers are detected...
[02:30] <f_newton> :)
[02:30] <whitefang> and there's no driver for my printer.
[02:30] <whitefang> canon i550
[02:31] <f_newton> whitefang use the bjc 8200 driver for that
[02:31] <tahorg> One day, Xorg will be fixed breezy. One day.
[02:31] <Goodspeed> whats a good place to put my music?
[02:31] <robertj> but will it be 6.9 or 7.0?
[02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, in between your legs
[02:31] <benkong2> are all the files in /etc/cron.daily set to run from default install such as slocate apt etc.?
[02:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton,thoreauputic: more stable? better for a server? does it have a gui by default?
[02:31] <Goodspeed> :( it wont fit
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: in a directory named music?
[02:31] <FuMo> FlyingSquirrel32: they still install with the 2.4 kernel by default
[02:31] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, what??
[02:31] <Goodspeed> but should it be under my home folder
[02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, how about ~/music
[02:31] <Goodspeed> or can i put it somewhere else
[02:31] <raDeon> Goodspeed, sure, knock yourself out
[02:31] <FlyingSquirrel32> f_newton: debian!?
[02:32] <Goodspeed> do i need to log in under root to do that though?
[02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, depends where you want to put it
[02:32] <FuMo> debian best choice for server because of its release cycle
[02:32] <f_newton> FlyingSquirrel32, debian hasnt really progressed since the developers decided they were perfect and started looking down thier noses at everyone else
[02:32] <tahorg> robertj: well, 7.0 or 6.9, if it's broken it's useless .
[02:32] <Goodspeed> id love to put it in /
[02:32] <raDeon> ubuntu has no root account usually anyway
[02:32] <f_newton> the same thing is currently happening to fedora devs
[02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, you don't want to put it in /
[02:32] <Goodspeed> i know which makes it even harder
[02:32] <robertj> tahorg: so I imagine they will ship a working version then, eh?
[02:32] <Goodspeed> so i might as well just put it in my home folder?
[02:32] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: the "gui by default" thing is kind of not the right question - if you do a server install, neither shpould have a gui. If you want a desktop, both have desktops...
[02:32] <Goodspeed> where do you have yours?
[02:32] <raDeon> Goodspeed, that's where i have mine
[02:32] <whitefang> does anyone know what the ipp server is that installs by default?
[02:32] <cefx> Anyone have Quake3 for linux?
[02:32] <Goodspeed> ok
[02:32] <raDeon> i have mine in my home folder
[02:32] <raDeon> and /mnt/win_d/Music
[02:33] <tahorg> robertj: I hope but Xorg is broken for about 2 weeks now
[02:33] <raDeon> which is my windows D drive
[02:33] <raDeon> fat32
[02:33] <benkong2> anyone? are all the files in /etc/cron.daily set to run from default install such as slocate apt etc.?
[02:33] <direwolf> holy shinola i think compiling this driver might actually work this time...everyone cross fingers!
[02:33] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: great, Yeah they were two separate unrelated questions, but you answered them both thanks.
[02:33] <aceb747> cefx: what games have you had run under linux?
[02:33] <cefx> none
[02:34] <whitefang> i've seen guild wars run under linux.
[02:34] <whitefang> i can't get it to work though
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Goodspeed: putting your personal data anywhere but /hom/you is just making work for yourself
[02:34] <Goodspeed> yeaaa
[02:34] <sklp> cefx: http://zerowing.idsoftware.com/linux/q3a/
[02:34] <thoreauputic> * /home/you
[02:34] <esac> can i join my linux system to an active directory domain, and run ipsec for authentication ?
[02:34] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: is ubuntu just as fitting as a server, given you do the server install?
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> esac: .. sort of
[02:34] <robertj> thoreauputic: I almost always end up having mine in /var/somewhere as well
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> ipsec isn't authentication anywya
[02:34] <direwolf> i had to say it didnt i?
[02:34] <Goodspeed> im so glad if ound this site http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:34] <morphiushacker> I am having a little troble w/ init scipts. Anyone familiar. Particularly with pure-ftpd
[02:34] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: ubuntulinux.org runs on - guess what?
[02:35] <esac> HrdwrBoB: what are the gotchas with it .. and isnt ipsec ip verification ?
[02:35] <cefx> \....
[02:35] <cefx> I don't need instructions.
[02:35] <cefx> I want to download the game :P
[02:35] <Goodspeed> whats the taskbar called?
[02:35] <Goodspeed> gnomebar
[02:35] <Goodspeed> or something
[02:35] <cefx> gnome-panel
[02:35] <cafuego> panel
[02:35] <direwolf> /home/direwolf/linux_driver/rtl8180-0.21/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c:27:2: warning: #warning CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is required to build this module.
[02:36] <morphiushacker> anyone, Init scripts?
[02:36] <poningru> taskbar whats a taskbar
[02:36] <direwolf> ack
[02:36] <poningru> ;)
[02:36] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: good. I'll stick with ubuntu. Thanks for all of your help, and sorry to interrupt your conversation about politics ;)
[02:36] <cafuego> poningru: Like a Dock
[02:36] <andy_> anyone knows if ubuntu would have problems, if i would now turn of the pc, install a pctv card and boot up again?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: heheh
[02:36] <robertj> if beagle ever makes it to core, does that mean scrollkeeper can go away?
[02:36] <puff> join #ibmthinkpad
[02:36] <direwolf> i dont think i have that ...
[02:36] <cafuego> andy_: No, it'd be fine.
[02:36] <andy_> would ub recognize the card too?
[02:36] <skalpel> iwhat is the term command to close the disc tray?
[02:36] <puff> Dammit.
[02:36] <morphiushacker> andy_ you will have trouble with x and will have to reconfigure. Goggle it
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> esac: I'm not sure you are asking the right questions :)
[02:36] <thoreauputic> skalpel: eject -t
[02:36] <morphiushacker> *google
[02:36] <cafuego> andy_: if it was a supported card, yes.
[02:36] <esac> HrdwrBoB: what should i be asking ? :)
[02:37] <direwolf> i resent my n00bness
[02:37] <andy_> ok so it would mess up the X?
[02:37] <Snufj> direwolf grateful dead?
[02:37] <PurpleMotion> im in a really shitty mood
[02:37] <skalpel> thoreaputic: thank you
[02:37] <cafuego> I'd be too if I were purple.
[02:37] <direwolf> yep :)
[02:37] <Snufj> hehe
[02:38] <direwolf> in the timbers of fennario
[02:38] <Snufj> love them
[02:38] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I'm full-blooded american and I agree, due to propaganda, many americans know nothing of comunism, consider it to be wholy corrupt and a failure.
[02:38] <nickrud> direwolf, I've used debian for a long time, and I resent my n00bnes :)
[02:38] <avanspronsen> esac: what are you trying to do?
[02:38] <whitefang> how do i disable the lan printing service? it was installed by default.
[02:38] <thoreauputic> PurpleMotion:  /nick MoodIndigo
[02:38] <InquiringMind> anybody know how to get my iriver working in ubuntu?
[02:38] <luminerd> what the...
[02:38] <luminerd> my mouse won't work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:38] <direwolf> same here
[02:38] <luminerd> dammit why so many freakin problems
[02:38] <InquiringMind> luminerd, stop spamming
[02:38] <morphiushacker> ok, what you will want to do is install the card and then you can vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf. It says it is auto-configured by a particular program. Run that program (after X screws up) that should reconfigure it.
[02:38] <luminerd> InquiringMind, this is not spam!!
[02:38] <luminerd> InquiringMind, my mouse WON'T work!!!
[02:38] <direwolf> 10 years on tues(?)
[02:38] <InquiringMind> luminerd:  that many !'s is spamming
[02:38] <PurpleMotion> FlyingSquirrel32:  as demonstrated by people lack of ability to even articulate the word itself (communism)
[02:38] <direwolf> :(
[02:38] <luminerd> ok well I'm sorry now address the problem please
[02:38] <PurpleMotion> people's
[02:39] <InquiringMind> im my book
[02:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I'm neutral but I agree that the communistic principles are superior if they could be carried out.
[02:39] <esac> avanspronsen: my work runs an active directory domain, and ipsec (ipsec/policyagent). i want to setup linux, and be able to smbmount, visit internal websites, etc... as though i were actually joined to the domain
[02:39] <morphiushacker> mouse ppl: are you using a KVM Switch?
[02:39] <FlyingSquirrel32> PurpleMotion: Hah :D I really do know how to spell it ;)
[02:39] <socomm> Viva socialismo!
[02:39] <PurpleMotion> they're superior on paper, but people are ambitious. that's why communism failed. They never factored in pride and ambition
[02:39] <andy_> uhm sorry, morphiushacker but what prog do you mean?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: why are you talking about communism? I never mentioned it and I'm not in favour of it
[02:39] <skalpel> what can you do f your computer wont stop looking for your disc drive and it makes that annoying whirring sound and you want to get rid of it?
[02:39] <morphiushacker> hang on andy
[02:39] <t0mmy> that new apple mouse looks preetty fine
[02:40] <t0mmy> anyone tried it with linux yet? i think it went on sale today
[02:40] <robertj> t0mmy: where in Georgia are you at?
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> it's a mouse
[02:40] <t0mmy> lawrenceville, metro atlanta
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> a mouse is a mouse
[02:40] <nickrud> skalpel, figure out what process is acessing the disk ;P
[02:40] <robertj> I'm from Lawrenceville and live in Athens
[02:40] <robertj> I'll be up there this weekend
[02:40] <PurpleMotion> as long as it doesnt get clogged, what more do you possibly need?
[02:40] <morphiushacker> the program is dexconf
[02:40] <t0mmy> yes, but with a 360 scroll button and touch sensitive buttons
[02:40] <socomm> I concur, that mouse looks awesome.
[02:40] <andy_> ah ok thx
[02:40] <direwolf> nickrud: youre saying im stuck like this forever huh?
[02:41] <nickrud> no, try top
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> yeah because it's sooo much strain ony our fingers to actually depress a button less than 1/16th on an inch...
[02:41] <thoreauputic> FlyingSquirrel32: or is it so deeply ingrained in the American psyche that anyone who criticises their policy must be communist?
[02:41] <robertj> t0mmy: I went to Central Gwinnett & work at UGA
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> hehe
[02:41] <nickrud> first check, anyway
[02:41] <avanspronsen> esac:  mine too, there are lots of options
[02:41] <cafuego> What! Now all of a sudden people *like* apple mice?
[02:41] <t0mmy> heh, my dad's a georgia tech fan :D
[02:41] <t0mmy> http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/
[02:41] <robertj> but does Georgia Tech have an Ubuntu mirror?
[02:41] <deprave_> gaim-vv = IMPOSSIBLE ON UBUNTU!
[02:41] <FlyingSquirrel32> thoreauputic: I guess you're right, that was robertj
[02:41] <nickrud> i'd look for gam_server
[02:41] <t0mmy> :(
[02:41] <morphiushacker> andy: after installing the card, x *may* glitch up. If it does type dexconf. in a terminal
[02:41] <t0mmy> XD
[02:41] <PurpleMotion> deprave i seriously doubt that
[02:41] <direwolf> do you guys think that this message means the modules wont work? -
[02:41] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can get my iriver working in ubuntu?
[02:41] <deprave_> PurpleMotion : i'm stumped.
[02:41] <direwolf> /home/direwolf/linux_driver/rtl8180-0.21/ieee80211_crypt_wep.c:27:2: warning: #warning CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 is required to build this module.
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> ill play with it
[02:42] <deprave_> and exhausted.
[02:42] <direwolf> its just a warning hahaha
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> at some point
[02:42] <andy_> so dexconf is like a 'fix-x-program if i get it :)
[02:42] <cafuego> direwolf: Enable CONFIG_CRYPTO_ARC4 in your kernel.
[02:42] <morphiushacker> yes
[02:42] <robertj> FlyingSquirrel32: People everywhere are stupid.
[02:42] <t0mmy> i want an apple comp to dual boot with ubuntu so i can try out OSX
[02:42] <direwolf> cafuego: my n00bness prevents this...how do i do that ?
[02:42] <morphiushacker> it may not configure properly though. It's part of the install program. if it can't auto configure, you may have to tell it what to do.
[02:42] <andy_> and after that the card should work
[02:42] <cefx> Is Quake 3 in apt-get?
[02:42] <t0mmy> it looks pretty snazzy
[02:42] <PurpleMotion> i dont like it
[02:43] <t0mmy> cefx: the demo might be
[02:43] <cefx> t0mmy, the game is free :P
[02:43] <cafuego> direwolf: Are you sure you ought to be compiling kernel modules?
[02:43] <robertj> t0mmy: it works pretty well, I like it
[02:43] <FlyingSquirrel32> robertj: Amen, Brother!!  :-D
[02:43] <t0mmy> ...
[02:43] <PurpleMotion> people are going to have all kinds of trouble with the buttons
[02:43] <t0mmy> quake 3 is free?
[02:43] <direwolf> absolutely now
[02:43] <t0mmy> wasn't aware of that
[02:43] <direwolf> not*
[02:43] <morphiushacker> when x screws up it will ask you if you want to run the x configuration program. You sould tell it yes only if dexconf does not.
[02:43] <nickrud> beer, maybe
[02:43] <cafuego> t0mmy: Mac Minis dual-boot very nicely.
[02:43] <t0mmy> i knew the quake 1 engine was...
[02:43] <t0mmy> ah, i want one :/
[02:43] <andy_> ic. i'll give it a try :)
[02:43] <skalpel> nickrud: thank you
[02:43] <andy_> thx!
[02:44] <t0mmy> i want a mac mini, a new monitor, a mighty mouse, and a logitech keyboard
[02:44] <skalpel> i have to say learning linux with the help of ubuntu and this support channel has been the best thing ever
[02:44] <skalpel> i really like it.
[02:44] <cafuego> I'm sure the ibooks do too, but you can't use the wireless on 'em
[02:44] <t0mmy> damn parents won't let me put one in my room >_>
[02:44] <nickrud> skalpel, i'll bite, for what?
[02:44] <neighborlee> how do I adapt my current system so pressing eject button on cdrom drive ejects the media ???
[02:44] <morphiushacker> once again: is anyone good with init scripts?
[02:44] <robertj> t0mmy: well you'll obviously just have to kill them?
[02:44] <cefx> t0mmy, is there any way to search the packages or find it?
 skalpel, figure out what process is acessing the disk ;P
[02:44] <skalpel> for that
[02:44] <t0mmy> via synaptic, but i don't recall quake 3 being in it
[02:44] <nickrud> ah
[02:44] <skalpel> it worked.
[02:44] <PurpleMotion> skalpel:  yeah, this channel sets the standard for real time volunteer-based help systems
[02:44] <direwolf> readme's didnt say anything about it
[02:44] <nickrud> forgot that dig ;)
[02:44] <glick> fuck this!
[02:45] <Razor-X> skalpel: I tihnk it's more influential to be dumped straight into the command-line ;)
[02:45] <skalpel> purplemotion: definately
[02:45] <direwolf> readme's were pretty thin though
[02:45] <glick> what the hell
[02:45] <Razor-X> s/tihnk/think/
[02:45] <Razor-X> swim, or die trying ;)
[02:45] <Razor-X> (faster that way, meh)
[02:45] <PurpleMotion> glick:  somethign we can do to help?
[02:45] <Razor-X> and unlike in the pool, most swim in this case
[02:45] <direwolf> exactly
[02:45] <f_newton> neighborlee, I dont think there is a script for that
[02:45] <skalpel> razor-x: maybe, i am learning. the terminal is essential in linux, and works seamlessly with the windows server, i really like it much better than windows
[02:45] <glick> im trying to packport this package and the shit always segfaults after like a fuckin hour of building!
[02:45] <f_newton> it has to do with the way the fs is mounted neighborlee
[02:45] <Razor-X> skalpel: that's because Windows is fscking stupid
[02:45] <skalpel> i think ubuntu will have alot to do with how people choose their OS
[02:46] <Razor-X> those idiots are trying to seperate the command-line and the GUI so much, it's becoming pathetic
[02:46] <neighborlee> f_newton, do you know if its a project being worked on possibly to add this as a feature ?
[02:46] <glick> other people say they can backport it no problem
[02:46] <PurpleMotion> glick:  have you looked at the build log or gone back through stdout to see if there's a clue as to why?
[02:46] <glick> wtf am i doing wring
[02:46] <cefx> Is there any way to search packages for a particular game?
[02:46] <InquiringMind> does anybody know how i can get my iriver working under ubuntu?
[02:46] <f_newton> I have no idea neighborlee most people just right click on the icon and choose eject
[02:46] <glick> /bin/sh: line 1:  4845 Segmentation fault      LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../objs_gtk_sh/lib: ../objs_gtk_sh/utils/tex2rtf/src/tex2rtf ../docs/latex/wx/manual.tex ../docs/wx-manual.html/wx2.6-manual.html -twice -html
[02:46] <glick> make: *** [build-doc-stamp]  Error 139
[02:46] <Razor-X> I definitely thing that, in about another 6 years, Linux _will_ be mainstream
[02:46] <Razor-X> glick: your lLaTeX is broken?
[02:46] <InquiringMind> i think that linux will never defeat the mac
[02:46] <f_newton> Razor-X, Ive been saying that since 92
[02:46] <PurpleMotion> linux already IS mainstream
[02:46] <Razor-X> s/l//
[02:46] <PurpleMotion> glick:  that's not very informative, eh
[02:46] <f_newton> or was it 95?
[02:46] <neighborlee> f_newton, yeah I know..its so lame ( no offense)..I want to use eject button cause I paid for it LOL
[02:46] <direwolf> it may take longer but eventually i think it will happen
[02:46] <glick> Razor-X, i dont kow
[02:47] <Razor-X> f_newton: you thought that in '92?
[02:47] <skalpel> what does it mean if gnomebaker tells me that there is no media present in the drive when there is a disc inside of it?
[02:47] <Razor-X> wow, you're a sad dreamer ;)
[02:47] <robertj> t0mmy: BTW, do you eat out alot?
[02:47] <Razor-X> I don't think Linux even picked up till the last year-and-a-half
[02:47] <PurpleMotion> could be tetex
[02:47] <D1> whats a good cd ripper with OPTIONS unlike sound juicer?
[02:47] <t0mmy> not really
[02:47] <f_newton> thats sad dreamer sir to you kid
[02:47] <Razor-X> till then, Linux was still pretty gone
[02:47] <neighborlee> InquiringMind, you may be right about that
[02:47] <robertj> Gwinnett's full of good food
[02:47] <Razor-X> f_newton: I was 2 then, mind you
[02:47] <glick> what the hell cant i be like just compile the shit without documentation
[02:47] <Razor-X> in '92, I mean
[02:47] <robertj> The Sweet Tomato down at Gwinnett Mall is a frequent destination when we are out there
[02:47] <Razor-X> glick: well, it's simply ``latex blah.tex''
[02:47] <geneo93> grip
[02:48] <direwolf> cafuego, do you have a url offhand with a how to?
[02:48] <Razor-X> that's what I use, as long as it compiles right, it's cool
[02:48] <nickrud> D1, grip is a standard
[02:48] <f_newton> I didnt start using linux mainstream myself until around 99
[02:48] <cefx> How can I search for a particular package to be installed?
[02:48] <thoreauputic> InquiringMind: I have a mac notebook - but after my initial excitement with OS-X I found Linux was much more amenable to free use of all its aspects, so I run Ubuntu on it now almost all the time
[02:48] <direwolf> cafuego, i apologize being lazy...here i come google
[02:48] <Razor-X> I picked up on Linux in '01
[02:48] <f_newton> and then it was mdk
[02:48] <sklp> cefx: you can find linux demo and linux retail installer at ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/quake3/linux , AFAIK q3 is not in APT
[02:48] <glick> but if the build fails it deletes everything it built so far ima have to restart that shit from the beginning
[02:48] <D1> hmm, whats it use to encode?
[02:48] <glick> which will take another 2 hours
[02:48] <f_newton> went to rh right after that and stuck with it
[02:48] <robertj> t0mmy: are you in school anywhere?
[02:48] <andy_> cefx, apt-cache search game
[02:49] <nickrud> D1, you can use ogg, lame, whatever encoder you tell it to
[02:49] <robertj> thor: I really like my G3 ibook
[02:49] <D1> oh ok.
[02:49] <PurpleMotion> Razor-X:  are you mad? linux has been snowballing support and popularity over at least the past six or seven years, and it just keeps getting stronger.. hell, even IBM launched a billion dollar campaign for open source support, focused around linux (the His Name Is Linux commercials), and package it with their eServer line. I think their grant to the linux community was something to the tune of a hundred million dollars
[02:49] <t0mmy> yes...
[02:49] <t0mmy> crap, dinnertime (we eat late :D)
[02:49] <Razor-X> PurpleMotion: it has been snowballing support, but it's only come into the limelight in the last 2 years
[02:49] <Razor-X> because of the timing
[02:49] <Razor-X> A) Spyware and Adware broke out
[02:50] <PurpleMotion> it's not as mainstream as windows, for the most part because 99.9% of computer users are either too lazy to learn something new, too stupid to learn something new, or brainwashed into thinking if its not microsoft, it's worthless
[02:50] <glick> where does pbuilder keep its build logs?
[02:50] <geneo93> flac uses lots of space though