[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <cyphermox> o/
[15:01] <infinity> \o
[15:02] <juliank> o/
[15:03] <tribaal> o/
[15:03] <sil2100> tribaal: \o/
[15:03] <tribaal> hi all :)
[15:03] <tdaitx> tribaal: \o/
[15:03] <cyphermox> shhh. intruder alert
[15:03]  * tribaal is just here to say hi :)
[15:03] <juliank> exterminate! exterminate!
[15:04] <juliank|dalek> exterminate! exterminate!
[15:04] <tribaal> hehe
[15:05] <sil2100> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:05] <tribaal> congrats on releasing Disco everyone!
[15:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Apr 25 15:05:14 2019 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:05] <sil2100> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:05] <sil2100> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson juliank waveform)
[15:05] <sil2100> xnox mwhudson waveform vorlon cyphermox infinity doko bdmurray juliank rbalint tdaitx sil2100
[15:06] <xnox> * Disco got released yeah
[15:06] <xnox> * Easter in Berlin Fri-Mon
[15:06] <xnox> * fixing CI jobs for eoan opening
[15:06] <xnox> * proposed to unbreak ubiquity_ap (autopilot) jobs, they were never
[15:06] <xnox>   updated to use git sources, when ubiquity moved off bzr
[15:06] <xnox> * switched link_in_boot to 1 by default in all arches, meaning
[15:06] <xnox>   /boot/vmlinu[xz] is the default kernel location now everywhere. To
[15:06] <xnox>   check cloud-images & upgrades, where kernel-img.conf is not present.
[15:06] <xnox> * debugging lack of UUID in casper on subiquity images
[15:06] <xnox> * switched to drop boot=casper in all live images by default
[15:06] <xnox> * digging into history of (broken) empty user passwords
[15:06] <xnox> * working on the initrd spec for UC20, lots of ugly everywhere
[15:06] <xnox> * decouple boost transitions from icu ABI transitions
[15:06] <xnox> * merged openssl for eoan
[15:06] <xnox> * looking into oustanding openssl bionic sru changes
[15:06] <xnox> done
[15:06] <waveform> * Short week (easter Monday)
[15:06] <waveform> * Documented pi classic image build process
[15:06] <waveform> * Developing pi2 gadget to merge the pi2 and pi3 classic image builds
[15:06] <waveform> * Responding to pi spec reviews
[15:06] <waveform> * Working on wiringpi package
[15:06] <waveform> (done)
[15:07] <cyphermox> off last friday, monday
[15:07] <cyphermox> shim review: Gooroom
[15:07] <cyphermox> debugging grub2 HTTP boot (appears to be a firmware issue)
[15:07] <cyphermox> netplan regression fix: default renderer handling (netplan PR#85)
[15:07] <cyphermox> netplan work on bringing up interfaces without IP (d96a6a0f)
[15:07] <cyphermox> various netplan PR reviews
[15:07] <cyphermox> partner work
[15:07] <cyphermox> reviewing UEFI spec change proposal
[15:07] <cyphermox> review/reorganize trello cards for netplan specs
[15:07] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:07] <tribaal> oh, "eoan" is not an xnox troll this time :)
[15:07] <cyphermox> nope
[15:07] <infinity>  * Released disco
[15:07] <infinity>  * Opened eoan
[15:07] <infinity>  * Easter Monday and two Swap Days
[15:07] <infinity>  * Backported Brian's ESM distro-info stuff to precise-esm
[15:07] <infinity>  * Some merges
[15:07] <infinity> (done)
[15:08] <doko> - last Thu vacation, Fri and Mon bank holidays
[15:08] <doko> - OpenJDK 11, 12, 13 updates
[15:08] <doko> - patch for PR c++/90050, LP: #1824721
[15:08] <doko> - GCC 7 and GCC 8 updates
[15:08] <doko> - starting isl transition
[15:08] <doko> (done)
[15:09] <bdmurray> uploaded proper fix for issue with whoopsie-upload-all LP: #1824152
[15:09] <bdmurray> updated apport rectracer config for disco-proposed, eoan
[15:09] <bdmurray> updated the bzr branch on porter-i386 with the above changes
[15:09] <tdaitx> bdmurray:
[15:09] <bdmurray> fixed ubuntu-release-upgrader LP: #1825563, updated meta-release accordingly
[15:09] <bdmurray> answered a question I'd had 6 months ago about the postgresql blacklist
[15:09] <bdmurray> performed upload / SRU of tzdata 2019a
[15:09] <bdmurray> overrode plymouth SRU regressions b/c its fix was important
[15:09] <bdmurray> tested 12.04 upgrades to 14.04 w/ ESM (LP: #1824862)
[15:09] <bdmurray> investigation into u-r-u bug LP: #1824430
[15:09] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader bug triage
[15:09] <bdmurray> juliank:
[15:09] <juliank> (short week due to good friday and easter monday)
[15:09] <juliank> * merged dput 1.0.3 and applied fixes for sftp method (LP: #1762572) (LP: #1814791)
[15:09] <juliank> * uploaded python-apt with new eoan template
[15:10] <juliank> * software-properties 0.98.0: Port to PackageKit (LP: #1673258), wrap-and-sort, and Debian delta reduction
[15:10] <juliank> * merged gnutls28
[15:10] <juliank> * merged gpgme1.0
[15:10] <juliank> * merged libgcrypt20; followup from that:
[15:10] <juliank>   - adjusted whoopsie-preferences and rng-tools to b-d on libgcrypt20-dev instead of libgcrypt11-dev
[15:10] <juliank>   - synced srecord (mostly to follow the libgcrypt20-dev change); followup with some additional Conflicts/Replaces
[15:10] <juliank>   - requested removal of libgnome-keyring, libgnomeui, and linsmith cruft (LP: #1825972) to follow Debian testing
[15:10] <juliank> * synced dash
[15:10] <juliank> * merged lvm2
[15:10] <juliank> * fixing images shipping apt cache cruft (LP: #1826377, WIP)
[15:10] <juliank> * more update-notifier ESM fixes and testing
[15:10] <juliank> (done)
[15:10] <juliank> rbalint:
[15:11] <rbalint> (short week due to holidays)
[15:11] <rbalint> * fixed breaking keyboards and leaking keys in several ways
[15:11] <rbalint>   - LP: #520546 (kbd patch review pending at upstream)
[15:11] <rbalint>   - LP: #1803993 (patch review pending at systemd upstream)
[15:11] <rbalint> * updated gce-compute-image-packages
[15:11] <rbalint> * unattended-upgrades fixes and sru preparations
[15:11] <rbalint> (done)
[15:11] <tdaitx> Short week: out on Thursday (swap) and Friday (holiday)
[15:11] <tdaitx> * openjdk-11 security update
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - packaged for bionic, cosmic, and disco
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - verified tests and failures
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - uploaded packages to the security team
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - planned to base next releases on upstream's pristine tarball
[15:11] <tdaitx> * openjdk-8 security update
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - packaged for xenial, bionic, and cosmic
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - verified tests
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - checking test failures for regressions (ongoing)
[15:11] <tdaitx> * openjdk-7 security update
[15:11] <tdaitx>   - applying upstream fixes into icedtea and fixing conflicts (ongoing)
[15:11] <tdaitx> * Initial check on LP: #1825037; failing in some thread lock, haven't pin pointed the cause yet, need moar debugging.
[15:11] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:11] <tdaitx> sil2100: go!
[15:11] <sil2100> - Last week: release sprint \o/
[15:11] <sil2100> - This week: Monday national holiday (thus a very short week)
[15:11] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases (many)
[15:11] <sil2100> - Kernel SRU releases and reviews (new cycle started, new kernels)
[15:11] <sil2100> - ubuntu-image:
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Add support for snap prepare-image --snap, deprecate --extra-snaps
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Fix test issues in disco causing the package to FTBFS with newest pyparted
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Discussions regarding future plans of ubuntu-image classic support
[15:11] <sil2100> - ubuntu-core:
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Refreshed gadget snaps for supported platforms
[15:12] <sil2100>   * Created image candidates, sent to CE for testing
[15:12] <sil2100> - Stuff
[15:12] <sil2100> (done)
[15:13] <sil2100> Ok, so I don't think we have to look at release incoming bugs since we're at the start of the cycle
[15:13] <doko> tdaitx: I'd like to see openjdk-8 restored in disco. should that go to -proposed, and then -updates?
[15:13] <doko> sil2100: ^^^
[15:13] <tdaitx> doko: no, let's have it on -security
[15:14] <doko> ok, the restore needs to go to the security pocket. will address this with the security team
[15:14] <doko> we need that to bootstrap kotlin
[15:14] <sbeattie> let's have it go through proposed first, though.
[15:15] <bdmurray> sil2100: actually I have one question
[15:15] <bdmurray> s/question/bug/
[15:16] <sil2100> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:16] <bdmurray> juliank: Did you get anywhere with the triggers looping bug?
[15:16] <juliank> no
[15:17] <bdmurray> juliank: is there a card for it?
[15:18] <juliank> I don't know, I don't have the bug handy, but I don't remember creating one
[15:19] <bdmurray> bug 1825211
[15:19] <bdmurray> gaughen: I'm going to card that okay?
[15:19] <infinity> juliank: If someone could manage to work up a reduced testcase, that would be hugely helpful.  Maybe I could dig into it with Guillem.
[15:19] <gaughen> yes, please bdmurray
[15:19] <gaughen> thank you!
[15:20] <sil2100> #topic AOB
[15:20] <juliank> infinity: fwiw, I did ping guillem about it; it's interesenting because it loops in --configure-pending
[15:20] <sil2100> (since we're talking AOB anyway!)
[15:20] <infinity> juliank: Yeah.  It's also suddenly far more critical now that our kernels rely on triggers, and it's so much easier for users to shoot themselves in the foot.
[15:21] <bdmurray> I'm out tomorrow
[15:22] <sil2100> Any other topics?
[15:23] <juliank> let's talk movies
[15:23] <tribaal> Have you considered calling the release "Eoan McGregor" ? :)
[15:23] <infinity> Who let this guy in here?
[15:24] <juliank> Eoan McGregor could be a good movie idea
[15:28] <gaughen> tribaal, I like it
[15:28] <sil2100> #endmeeting
[15:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 15:28:24 2019 UTC.
[15:28] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-04-25-15.05.moin.txt
[15:28] <infinity> *mic drop*
[15:38] <sil2100> Thanks everyone o/


[00:00] <ochosi> it also affects e.g. gmusicbrowser.pl
[00:01] <bluesabre> ugh
[00:02] <ochosi> german translation is also borked
[00:02] <ochosi> then some names of translators
[00:02] <ochosi> or plugin-authors (albuminfo.pm)
[00:03] <bluesabre> yeah, sounds like a bad debdiff
[00:05] <bluesabre> hm
[00:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, can you grab the gmusicbrowser tarball from the website and see if everything is good in there?
[00:06] <bluesabre> gotta run, try to be back in a bit
[00:06] <ochosi> what website?
[00:06] <bluesabre> http://gmusicbrowser.org/
[00:06] <bluesabre> "upstream"
[00:17] <ochosi> ah yeah, that seems fine
[00:17] <ochosi> i have the git-repo cloned locally
[00:17] <ochosi> no encoding issues there, as far as i can see
[00:19] <ochosi> e.g. de.po is fine
[00:19] <ochosi> and the other stuff seems fine too
[00:21] <bluesabre> ok
[00:22] <bluesabre> then I have no idea how to fix it
[00:22] <bluesabre> ochosi: can you expand on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1234448
[00:23] <bluesabre> I'm not sure how to fix the problem, it will probably require a direct upload instead of a debdiff
[00:23] <bluesabre> so micahg or mr_pouit
[00:23] <ochosi> what do you mean with "expand on this bug"?
[00:23] <bluesabre> I'm not sure what all is affected
[00:24] <ochosi> it's really not easy to say
[00:24] <bluesabre> the encoding issues don't show as "ï¿" in any of my browsers
[00:24] <bluesabre> oh
[00:24] <bluesabre> one se
[00:24] <bluesabre> c
[00:26] <blueswordlikeite> hey ochosi, please type that character again
[00:26] <blueswordlikeite> there is an encoding issue in my terminal window
[00:26] <ochosi> hehe
[00:27] <ochosi> Â
[00:27] <blueswordlikeite> yup, looks different :D
[00:27] <ochosi> :}
[00:27] <ochosi> so maybe that encoding issue of your terminal didn't play out nicely when creating the debdiff..?
[00:27] <bluesabre> good lord
[00:27] <ochosi> you mean good grief, right?
[00:27] <ochosi> :)
[00:27] <bluesabre> yes, that
[00:28] <bluesabre> so as the number of instances approaches infinity...
[00:28] <bluesabre> :D
[00:32] <bluesabre> I don't even know where to start with that
[00:32] <bluesabre> micahg, mr_pouit, if you can take a look
[00:33] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, If it's not actual uploading, i could take a look
[00:34] <bluesabre> it will eventually turn into uploading, but if you don't mind having a look at it, I'd greatly appreciate it
[00:36] <bluesabre> yeah, not sure if its a terminal issue or my locale, but I can't seem to produce a diff with anything working correctly
[00:39] <Noskcaj> looking at the bug, i'm no help at all
[00:41] <Unit193> bluesabre: `locale`?
[00:42] <bluesabre> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6186221/
[00:43] <Unit193> In screen or no?
[00:43] <bluesabre> ah
[00:43] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6186228/
[00:44] <bluesabre> ^ screen
[00:44] <Unit193> See the first two are different?  That char works fine in screen for me though.
[00:47] <brainwash> woot, they still did not sync screen 4.1.0 from wheezy :/
[00:48] <brainwash> and now it's too late I guess
[00:48] <ochosi> yup
[00:49] <brainwash> but we need to include pm-utils by default before it's too late
[00:51] <brainwash> there is a final dead line, right?
[00:51] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[00:52] <ochosi> but you'd need to talk to e.g. micahg about that
[00:52] <ochosi> anyway, bedtime
[00:52] <ochosi> night everyone!
[00:52] <brainwash> good night
[00:56] <brainwash> micahg: can you have a look at bug 1232027 please? hopefully I don't make a big fuss about it (already emphasized this issue several times in this channel)
[00:57] <brainwash> I'm just a bit concerned =S
[00:58] <Unit193> brainwash: There's a bug on that, they decided not to.  screen | 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-9 | <redacted> Packages  works for me though. :D
[00:59] <brainwash> works great for me too
[01:00] <Unit193> I have it installed on everything except my precise server, there's something I kind of like better in 4.0 that made me keep it.
[01:01] <brainwash> 4.1.0 comes with some nice additions
[01:01] <brainwash> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git/tree/src/ChangeLog
[01:04] <Unit193> I'll take a look to see what's all there, but I'm aware of some of it.  Shift+pgup/pgdown/up/down I still miss, but each screen window having it's own scrollback is nice too.  Recent commit should help/fix extra utf-8 actually show correctly, but Debian doesn't have it (yet.)
[01:06] <brainwash> use copy mode to navigate the scrollback buffer
[01:06] <Unit193> I know, the other method is just nicer, unless you want per window, which at times I do. :P
[01:06] <brainwash> or tell your terminal emulator to do it via shift+..
[01:06] <Unit193> Doesn't seem to work in 4.1, oddly enough.
[01:08] <brainwash> ah, that reminds me of the xfce4-terminal segfault I wanted to debug :/
[01:08] <brainwash> when opening the Set Encoding submenu
[01:19] <bluesabre> I really don't think automatic updates are working on 13.10
[01:19] <bluesabre> previously just doing sudo apt-get update you'd get the update notification
[01:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Generally for me, it pulled up when apt-get was asking me to confirm updates, which would just annoy me. "Hey heyhey!!1!  Updates are ready for your computer!"  when actually looking at them was just annoying. :P
[01:25] <bluesabre> I know, but now that does not happen
[01:25] <bluesabre> which makes me think it is not running/working
[01:26] <bluesabre> gotta go, bbl
[01:42] <micahg> brainwash: that's weird that we're the only image except for ubuntu-gnome to not install it
[01:52] <micahg> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.gnome.general/61230 if anyone has good python foo skills and would like to help develop blueman, assistance is probably welcome
[03:26] <kristal> Any eta on this bug? The 3 FMs I use are all affected. :-/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/1231978
[03:27] <Noskcaj> kristal, not really, but people are working on it
[03:28] <kristal> Noskcaj: I think this is the first time in 2 years the trash bin has been broken. :)
[03:29] <Unit193> kristal: gvfs issues, gnome broke something it seems.
[03:32] <Noskcaj> Did we end up finding what commit caused this?
[03:37] <kristal> Well of the ten-ish reports the earliest is 2013-9-27, wouldn't take long to stumble upon a bug like that.
[03:38] <Unit193> I don't really use saucy yet, just when testing some things.  I don't actually use the trash on my systems much anyway. :P
[03:38] <kristal> how long did it take for the current versino to get into the main repo?
[03:38] <kristal> bug is probably only a week old
[03:46] <Noskcaj> kristal, it's part of the .1 release of gvfs, someone was looking for what actual commit caused it
[03:46] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I've been on saucy since the installer un-broke at the end of may
[03:46] <Unit193> Good for you?
[03:46] <kristal> I'm lazy and would just roll back by 1/2, then if you overshoot forward 1/4, then... etc etc classic pathfinding.
[03:47] <kristal> I installed before the installer unbroke because I used net install lol
[03:48] <Noskcaj> netboot FTW
[03:48] <Noskcaj> Unit193, i just wanted an excuse to beat you at something, anything
[03:48] <Noskcaj> ;0
[03:48] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Isn't hard. :P
[03:48] <kristal> I wish all ubuntu spins had naked installs for smaller isos, simply the official distro missing the default software.
[03:49] <kristal> xubuntu with no pidgin and gnumeric and...
[03:49] <Unit193> kristal: I'm working on that, install from mini.iso and install xubuntu-core --no-install-recommends.
[03:50] <Unit193> s/I'm/we're/g
[03:50] <Noskcaj> kristal, that's sort of what ubuntu did with ubuntu DVD a while back, but there wasn't enough market to bother
[03:50] <kristal> Unit193: Nice, Xubuntu-Core will lignted thing up a lot.
[03:51] <Unit193> Again, not on the official iso or anything, but nevertheless.
[03:51] <kristal> I think it'd be a nice little feature to have official, faster DL, faster install, faster update after installing...
[03:52] <kristal> Main Xubuntu wouldn't have to be as concerned with space if there was a niec core version.
[03:53] <kristal> Core could simply auto start software centre and recommend things.
[03:53] <Unit193> (USC isn't in core.)
[03:53] <kristal> Hmm, probally for the better
[03:54] <kristal> But core with a minimal "here's a list of things you may want" at first start would be interesting.
[03:54] <kristal> Windows was going to get that believe it or not...
[03:54] <kristal> On a fresh install you were going to get: pick your X Y Z
[03:56] <kristal> But they struck no deals for a variety so it ended up being "do you want to install this monster bundle of ms software" ala windows live/msn/crappyeditor
[03:56] <Unit193> Anywho, #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:10] <Noskcaj> which seed lists all programs on the iso? I need to find what differences in packages are between  xubuntu and lubuntu
[07:10] <Noskcaj> for bug 1206684
[07:44] <Noskcaj> On the old pidgin twitter issue, it might be worth looking at https://code.google.com/p/prpltwtr/issues/detail?id=88
[07:45] <Noskcaj> Someone is willing to pay $100 if it gets fixed (this is a different, but similar app)
[08:45] <astraljava> Is anyone still having trouble with persistant configuration of preferred applications? Seems that after Chrome was installed, preferred browser setup won
[08:45] <astraljava> t last.
[08:46] <astraljava> Oh, oops. Keep forgetting the location of ' in this keyboard.
[09:00] <Unit193> Might want to check ~/.local/share/ some file under that was a problem for me at one point.
[09:01] <Unit193> But, thought chrome tended to "take over"
[09:48] <bluesabre> micahg, glad to see you there briefly
[09:48] <bluesabre> could you take a moment soon to take care of some bugfix uploads?
[09:50] <bluesabre> https://code.launchpad.net/~smd-seandavis/xubuntu-default-settings/b2_fixes
[09:50] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1223808
[09:51] <bluesabre> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1234448
[09:52] <bluesabre> there may be others as well, I'm sure somebody will post them after me
[09:55]  * bluesabre will work on his developer application today
[09:58] <ochosi> bluesabre: that sounds like a sustainable thing to do!
[09:58] <brainwash> some news regarding the trash issue https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708744
[09:59] <brainwash> (last comment)
[10:01] <brainwash> can anyone provide a backtrace of this hang?
[10:01] <brainwash> or anything of value
[10:04] <brainwash> ochosi: help! :)
[10:14] <ochosi> brainwash: sorry, lunchtime, bbiab
[11:42] <astraljava> Unit193: Ok, thanks, I
[11:42] <astraljava> I'll check it out. (grr)
[12:12] <brainwash> ochosi: gvfs 1.18.2 "Fix a client side regression in 1.18.1 ..."
[12:14] <brainwash> after pinging the developer on gnome's irc server and informing him about it we now got a fix :)
[12:22] <ochosi> uu nice
[12:22] <ochosi> good work brainwash
[12:24] <ochosi> brainwash: you're the thug we send to knock on dev's irc channels in case nasty bugs turn up
[12:25] <brainwash> we still to test this fix =S
[12:27] <elfy> ochosi: I can agree with that :)
[12:27] <brainwash> Does linking the upstream report to the launchpad one also add all the comments?
[12:27] <ochosi> no, don't think it does
[12:28] <ochosi> elfy: time to invent a new sub-team of xubuntu-team: xubuntu-thugs (with brainwash, who has a befitting nickname already, as thug overlord)
[12:28] <elfy> lol
[12:29] <brainwash> pinging devs, that's my job :)
[12:29] <elfy> ochosi: nice to see things like that said - especially in a logged channel :p
[12:29] <ochosi> ;)
[12:30] <ochosi> i don't mind if others shiver at the thought of us sending "our guys" to their "doorsteps" (when the topic is bugs-bugs-bugs)
[12:31] <elfy> I'll add it to my list of T cycle things and make sure there's a Thuggery task : INPROGRESS line on a blueprint somewhere
[12:33] <ochosi> :p
[12:34] <brainwash> can anyone clean up bug 1231978? should the upstream gvfs be added to list affected packages/projects with a link to the bugzilla report?
[12:34] <brainwash> and the title should be changes too, I guess
[12:35] <brainwash> to be more general
[12:35] <brainwash> or whatever? :D
[12:36] <ochosi> hmm, i'm not a member of the bugsquad, so i can't do all those changes
[12:36] <ochosi> additionally i'm a bit short on time and need to fix support for gtk3 indicators in our themes...
[12:37] <brainwash> mainly the dropdown menus?
[12:38] <brainwash> can an indicator cause that much trouble theme-wise?
[12:38] <ochosi> yeah, background-color of the indicator-buttons and the menus
[12:38] <brainwash> last minute changes =S
[12:39] <ochosi> i'm already a bit used to it
[12:40] <brainwash> elfy: do you know when and why comments from external bug reports get added to the launchpad comment section?
[12:40] <elfy> I'm afraid I don't
[12:40] <brainwash> I would like to link the bugzilla one... but I don't want all the comments to appear in launchpad
[12:40] <brainwash> =S
[13:02] <brainwash> ochosi: I'm currently trying to figure out, what exactly happens when xfce4-appfinder daemonizes. the finder initiates the dbus connection and so on, but the dbus interface does not point to the right PID. so we have to wait 5sec (dbus timeout) before the finder appears.
[13:02] <ochosi> oh
[13:02] <ochosi> i see
[13:03] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether it's connected to all kb shortcuts having a delay when starting the session
[13:03] <ochosi> lotsa dbusy stuff going awry
[13:03] <brainwash> org.xfce.SettingsDaemon isn't point to a valid PID either
[13:03] <brainwash> so maybe
[13:04] <ochosi> are you using the upstart-session again?
[13:04] <ochosi> i.e. have you tested the fix
[13:05] <brainwash> uhm, let me test it, didn't actually notice that the update manager pulled the new upstart package
[13:06] <brainwash> well, I installed every single DE on my test machine and all the top 100 applications... easy to lose track of the update process :)
[13:06] <ochosi> indeed
[13:07] <brainwash> btrfs already triggered a kernel panic while balancing /
[13:07] <brainwash> not enough space available
[13:07] <brainwash> :)
[13:09] <brainwash> yep, fast logout despite the upstart user session
[13:30] <ochosi> brainwash: good to hear! (have 160mb of updates pending and very slow connection)
[13:32] <brainwash> ochosi: some more dbus information, I can't change the wallpaper or change the theme during the session
[13:32] <brainwash> something isn't working right
[13:32] <ochosi> ?
[13:32] <ochosi> that's odd
[13:32] <ochosi> i don't have any problems doing any of that
[13:33] <ochosi> you can look in the session-settings what's part of the running session, possibly clear it
[13:33] <ochosi> possibly also check the autostart-stuff
[13:36] <brainwash> I'll investigate that, quite possible that it started to act strange after filling my disk with all these DEs and apps
[13:36] <brainwash> same for the appfinder
[13:42] <ochosi> mm
[13:44] <brainwash> maybe I should ping nick
[13:44] <brainwash> about the appfinder
[13:47] <ochosi> you can give it a shot, yeah
[13:48] <ochosi> at least you have quite a good track-record ;)
[14:26] <ochosi> brainwash: can confirm the logout issue being resolved
[14:27] <ochosi> just switched back to an upstart-session
[14:27] <elfy> that's odd
[14:27] <elfy> wonder if I've had the update then - logout is still long here
[14:29] <elfy> must have had it - no updates available
[14:40] <brainwash> proposed
[14:40] <brainwash> elfy: ^
[14:40] <elfy> aah
[14:44] <elfy> confirm that then :)
[17:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1234448
[17:01] <bluesabre> please add more details for quentin
[17:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: he already replied, and i really don't think that's a problem with gmb but with the original debdiff as upstream doesn't have that problem at all
[20:11] <brainwash> ochosi: when placing the cursor over the trash icon on the desktop, a tooltip with an upscaled image of the icon appears.. worth reporting it?
[20:12] <brainwash> the home and filesystem icon look nice
[20:29] <Unit193> brainwash: Talk of update manager in -release.
[20:30] <Unit193> Also, a reminder that Final Freeze is the 10th.
[20:31] <knome> final freeze? who cares.
[20:31] <knome> ;)
[20:31] <knome> just kidding, thanks for the heads up. i need to get my act together in other areas to be able to do some stuff before that
[20:31] <Unit193> knome: You do, indicators, gmusicbrowser, and the rest. :P
[20:32] <knome> freezes are made to be melted
[20:32] <knome> :P
[20:32] <Unit193> Yeah!
[20:32] <brainwash> Unit193: yea, I followed that discussion over there :)
[20:32] <Unit193> Welp, then ignore me. :)
[20:33] <brainwash> but the indicator will be still missing
[20:36] <Unit193> There's still hope for that.
[21:10] <ochosi> brainwash: that's a feature, supposed to help when looking at images on the desktop (i think)
[21:11] <brainwash> yea, but we need a proper sized trash bin icon
[21:11] <brainwash> not the small one upscaled :)
[21:11] <ochosi> ah
[21:11] <ochosi> ok
[21:11] <ochosi> lemme check that then
[21:12] <brainwash> I noticed that thanks to the recent trash freeze issue
[21:12] <ochosi> what icon theme are you using?
[21:13] <ochosi> here it just uses a 48px trash icon
[21:13] <ochosi> filesystem icon is larger
[21:13] <ochosi> everything it its appropriate size, nothing scaled at all
[21:13] <brainwash> live mode
[21:13] <brainwash> so default everything
[21:13] <brainwash> mmh, ok, the trash icon appears to be a bit blurry
[21:13] <ochosi> ok, will check later
[21:13] <ochosi> bbiab
[21:14] <brainwash> bye
[21:17] <brainwash> ochosi: it's the trash icon after all, why would anyone even care about it? :D
[21:50] <ochosi> brainwash: hehe
[21:50] <ochosi> word
[21:50] <ochosi> problem is, i'm using xfdesktop4.11
[21:50] <ochosi> so i can't directly reproduce the issue
[21:51] <ochosi> but but but, if you want, i can try to submit a patch
[21:51] <ochosi> and you can try later
[22:21] <brainwash> ochosi: (greybird) gtk2 apps won't show steppers on their scrollbars, but firefox and libreoffice do it due to "GtkScrollbar::has-backward-stepper = 1" or?
[22:22] <ochosi> yup
[22:22] <brainwash> intentional?
[22:22] <ochosi> yup
[22:22] <ochosi> thing is, the no-steppers mode works with *most* websites
[22:22] <ochosi> ...
[22:23] <brainwash> ok
[22:23] <ochosi> if we wouldn't ship firefox by default, i'd flip the switch
[22:23] <brainwash> what about numix?
[22:23] <ochosi> it's not the default theme
[22:24] <ochosi> default theme should be more robust
[22:24] <ochosi> (at least imo)
[22:26] <brainwash> between, I ignored the new theme configurator tool until now... so I opened it randomly and messed around with different colors for like 20 minutes, had much fun trying different color combinations :)
[22:26] <brainwash> ok, I'll make a local change then
[22:26] <brainwash> don't like these steppers
[22:28] <ochosi> yeah, gtk-theme-config is fun
[22:29] <ochosi> well if you can assure me there are no more pages that dont work with FF when we disable the steppers, i'll gladly disable them
[22:29] <brainwash> it's like the hidden gem
[22:29] <ochosi> it's not like i'm a huge fan
[22:29] <brainwash> any example website?
[22:29] <brainwash> which is still broken
[22:30] <ochosi> google-reader used to be
[22:30] <ochosi> so gü
[22:30] <ochosi> g+ might be too
[22:30] <ochosi> haven't tested it in a while
[22:30] <brainwash> what about libreoffice?
[22:30] <ochosi> the fact that you can never test all websites and such a prominent website exposing a bug made me leave it on
[22:30] <ochosi> well it's not that easy just disabling the steppers for LO
[22:30] <ochosi> at least i never felt like spending the time
[22:33] <brainwash> not an easy task to find a website where the steppers are broken/glitched
[22:35] <ali1234> what are steppers?
[22:36] <brainwash> the arrows on scrollbars
[22:37] <ali1234> hmm... and what is the problem with no-steppers on firefox?
[22:37] <ali1234> orion doesn't appear to have any steppers, i didn't notice any problems
[22:37] <brainwash> neither does numix
[22:38] <brainwash> maybe it's all fixed now, no website will glitch when the steppers are missing
[22:38] <brainwash> (magic)
[22:40] <ali1234> but what would the glitch look like, if it happened?
[22:40] <ali1234> maybe i just didn't notice it?
[22:46] <ochosi> e.g. the scrollbars would be twice the size
[22:52] <brainwash> would it be even possible to upload such a change? cloak it as "bug fix"?
[23:05] <ali1234> the audio track selection in parole doesn't work