[02:35] <u0_a93> hi
[10:58] <Guest12960> hi, I just reinstalled Xubuntu 18.04. Isn't it strange that in Thunar smb://nas works without Samba being installed? If I enable ufw, it doesn't work anymore. But as Samba is not installed, I cannot use 'sudo apt
[10:59] <Guest12960> i mean 'sudo ufw enable Samba'.
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> Guest12960: the client doesn't need samba
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> samba is the server side
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> the client just need ssomething to link to libsmbclient (IIRC)
[15:49] <rookie> hello, I'm having trouble getting my Linux (both this, and another distro) to connect to ethernet. I suspect that this might be because I installed linux on different drive than windows and perhaps it can't reach some information it might need.
[15:50] <rookie> It can detect etherenet connection, but can't connect to it.
[15:52] <diogenes_> rookie, try to reboot the router.
[15:55] <rookie> I live in a flat and my cable comes straight from electric box, most I can do is unplug and replug cable from my pc :(
[15:57] <diogenes_> sometimes after a new system installation, routers maintained some older cache and won't allow you to connect the new device, all the others can work fine but the newer one, the workaround is to reboot it but i'm not stating it's 200% your situation, just like the starting point.
[17:02] <xubuntu91d> hi i need help with wine so i can play yandere simulator
[17:03] <diogenes_> xubuntu91d, it's you again :)
[17:03] <xubuntu91d> I already have synapitic package
[17:03] <xubuntu91d> hey
[17:04] <GridCube> xubuntu91d: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=16878
[17:04] <GridCube> have you tried installing it from steam tho?
[17:05] <xubuntu91d> wine?
[17:05] <xubuntu91d> it says i dont have wine installed
[17:06] <diogenes_> xubuntu91d, it would take a good effort to try to make it run and even then no guarantee is given but if you want and ready to follow lots of instructions, we can try.
[17:07] <GridCube> no, just steam for linux and install it from there, because appdb says it's a silver program
[17:07] <xubuntu91d>  Package 'wine' has no installation candidate
[17:07] <GridCube> !info wine
[17:08] <xubuntu91d> how do i do that
[17:08] <GridCube> !info wine-stable
[17:09] <GridCube> !info steam
[17:10] <xubuntu91d> what
[17:10] <GridCube> just install steam from the software center
[17:10] <xubuntu91d> i need instructions
[17:10] <GridCube> and then go to your steam store and install it from your copy there?
[17:10] <xubuntu91d> can i get link
[17:11] <GridCube> to what?
[17:11] <GridCube> you can google
[17:12] <xubuntu91d> i installed it with a command
[17:13] <xubuntu91d> it installing 284,881
[17:28] <xubuntu91d> wouldnt wine be easier
[17:32] <xubuntu82d> hey is diablo here
[17:33] <xubuntu82d> want to install wine
[17:34] <xubuntu82d> hi do you know about wine
[17:35] <xubuntu82d> HELLO
[17:36] <brainwash> join #winehq
[17:36] <genii> !info wine
[17:36] <genii> Hm
[17:36] <brainwash> this here isn't the wine support channel
[17:37] <xubuntu82d> diogenes thank goodness
[17:37] <diogenes_> ?
[17:37] <xubuntu82d> can we pick up were we left off
[17:38] <xubuntu82d> wine
[17:38] <diogenes_> xubuntu82d, there are two ways of trying to do it: 1) quicker way implying remote control 2) slow and requiring patience from both sides :)
[17:39] <xubuntu82d> quicker way
[17:39] <diogenes_> but quicker way implies trustworthy so only if you decide you can trust a random guy :)
[17:40] <xubuntu82d> i trusted you last weekend so why not now ;d
[17:41] <diogenes_> then for security reason we gonna have to continue this on private windows
[17:41] <diogenes_> windows*
[17:41] <diogenes_> dammit
[17:41] <xubuntu82d> how on private windows
[17:42] <xubuntu82d> brb
[17:42] <diogenes_> ok hit me up when you back
[17:43] <xubuntu86d> diogenes i am back
[17:43] <diogenes_> see my priv message
[18:51] <muchacho> hi
[18:52] <muchacho> is there a way to have a preview of the window when alt-tabing ?
[18:52] <muchacho> i've seen some answers on the net but they're too old
[19:01] <diogenes_> muchacho, settings > window manager tweaks > compositor > Show windows preview in place of icons when sycling
[19:02] <diogenes_> cycling*
[19:04] <muchacho> thanks
[19:04] <diogenes_> yw
[19:06] <muchacho> also in previous installation of xubuntu i had set alt-f9 as the window resizing shortcut in the settings editor but now it won't work
[19:08] <muchacho> right now i have the following property :  <alt>f9 string not locked resize_window_key
[19:12] <diogenes_> muchacho, window manager > keyboard
[19:13] <muchacho> thanks
[19:13] <muchacho> xd
[19:13] <muchacho> i've always done it this way until now
[19:15] <muchacho> but i get it now i should've written /xfwm4/custom/<Alt>F9 instead of /<Alt>F9
[19:24] <muchacho> i also would like to change firefox's icon in the panel when running a diferent firefox profile. Is it possible ? I've heard of xseticon but it seems old
[19:29] <diogenes_> muchacho, you could make your own launcher with: Exec = firefox --profile <path> and Icon = /path/to/youricon.png
[19:30] <diogenes_> of course all other ingredients added up.
[19:30] <muchacho> i've changed the .desktop file but it doesn't change the icon in the oanel
[19:30] <muchacho> *panel
[19:31] <muchacho> i've even added a desktop file
[19:31] <diogenes_> no, you need to remove it and add it again
[19:31] <muchacho> then launched from it
[19:31] <muchacho> what's wrong if i have two files, one for each profile ?
[19:31] <muchacho> with a different icon
[19:31] <muchacho> of course
[19:32] <muchacho> i have launched from it
[19:32] <diogenes_> nothing wrong absolutely, i've got 4 with different profiles
[19:32] <muchacho> but it only seems to work in the whisker menu
[19:33] <diogenes_> from whisker menu right click > add to panel
[19:41] <muchacho> yeah ok it's been added to the panel but if i run firefox the icon won't. What i'd like to achieve is change firefox's icon based on the profile i run or even be able to replace any program's icon
[19:41] <muchacho> i mean the firefox icon won't change
[19:42] <diogenes_> muchacho, you need to create a file: /home/username/.local/share/applications/firefoxp.desktop
[19:43] <muchacho> i did
[19:43] <diogenes_> in that file you add the following:
[19:43] <muchacho> i changed the icon field
[19:43] <muchacho> to a new one
[19:43] <diogenes_> to what?
[19:43] <muchacho> i put the path to the new icon
[19:44] <muchacho> the .desktop is located at /usr/share/applications/
[19:44] <diogenes_> so now look in Menu > Internet, do you see them both? the normal ff and the custom one with different icon?
[19:44] <muchacho> yeah
[19:44] <brainwash> an application is able to change the icon of its running window
[19:45] <brainwash> and the panel shows the icon of a running window
[19:45] <diogenes_> oh yeah the running window won't change the icon but the launcher icon should be your custom.
[19:46] <muchacho> yeah that's what's happening. Any way of changing that behaviour ?
[19:47] <diogenes_> i don't think so, maybe to run something ike waterfox
[19:47] <diogenes_> they got a blue icon
[19:47] <brainwash> via xprop
[19:48] <brainwash> https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=11561


[15:00] <rbalint> o/
[15:01] <waveform> o/
[15:01] <rbalint> xnox, asked me to run the meeting
[15:01] <rbalint> so i go with that :-)
[15:02] <rbalint> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Mar 28 15:02:04 2019 UTC.  The chair is rbalint. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:03] <rbalint> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:03] <gaughen> o/
[15:03] <rbalint> echo $(shuf -e bdmurray tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox juliank waveform)
[15:04] <rbalint> doko bdmurray cyphermox tdaitx waveform infinity sil2100 juliank rbalint
[15:04] <doko> again at 4pm ...
[15:05] <bdmurray> soon there will be no time changes right?
[15:05] <bdmurray> it'll all be stable
[15:05] <doko> sorry, no status. openjdk-11 transition, GCC updates, Python 3.7.3 release, some MIRs
[15:05] <doko> (done)
[15:05] <juliank> tz trouble will be over with next week
[15:05] <bdmurray> woo it's me!
[15:05] <bdmurray> sorted out issues with retracer-failed-queue-cronner-app with webop
[15:05] <bdmurray> uploaded plymouth cosmic SRU for LP: #1794292
[15:05] <bdmurray> reported update-notifier bug LP: #1821412 after extensive testing
[15:05] <bdmurray> reported policykit-1 bug LP: #1821415 after lots of testing too
[15:05] <bdmurray> review of retracer failure reasons see below
[15:05] <bdmurray> discovered an issue with apport being unable to find pkgs for some executables
[15:06] <bdmurray> fixed the above issue in apport r3229
[15:06] <bdmurray> tested apport changes in staging Error Tracker, updated LP retracers
[15:06] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding production Error Tracker update
[15:06] <bdmurray> investigation into apport crash LP: #1820132 - missing executable
[15:06] <bdmurray> review, merge of colin's update-manager MP re changelogs
[15:06] <bdmurray> done
[15:07] <bdmurray> cyphermox:
[15:07] <cyphermox> - shim-review: finally managed to review OpenSuSE Leap & SLES shims succesfully
[15:07] <cyphermox> - MIR: reviewing containerd
[15:07] <cyphermox> - verifying grub2 SRUs trusty: signature enforcement and grub-check-signatures (LP: #1401532) (LP: #1789918)
[15:07] <cyphermox> - upload grub2-signed for pc-kernel 4.15 snap fix (LP: #1820898)
[15:07] <cyphermox> - verifying netplan.io SRUs bionic/cosmic
[15:07] <cyphermox> - rework netplan systemd jobs ordering again; wpa reorder broke some minimal setups
[15:07] <cyphermox> - setting up ubuntustudio for upload rights
[15:07] <cyphermox> - migrating DMB scripts to git
[15:07] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:07] <tdaitx> * openjdk-11 bionic security transition
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - gtk3 tests, backporting upstream fixes, looking for more fixes to backport and other bug reports, sadly gtk3 is currently still worse off then gtk2
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - rebuild openjdk with gtk3 fixes, then with gtk2 as default
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - uploaded new openjdk
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - tested scilab and jabref, again
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - driving android-platform-tools-apksig fixes on Ubuntu and Debian
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - looking at jh_build (javatools) failure to use --release
[15:07] <tdaitx>   - driving gradle delta into debian
[15:07] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:08] <waveform> * Pi classic first-boot specification (k/b+display, serial, and net)
[15:08] <waveform> * Tested seeding cloud-init (inc. networking config) from boot partition of raspi image (re: net first-boot); tracing where partitions are named in livecd-rootfs
[15:08] <waveform> * Worked on getting CM3+ to boot: armhf and arm64 working; turns out it just needs up-to-date firmware blobs (current device-trees are acceptable)
[15:08] <waveform> * Added newer firmwares to linux-firmware-raspi2; need to check with sil2100 this is done correctly (new version, etc.)
[15:08] <waveform> * Stripped out hacks from linux-firmware-raspi2 after raspi-sync discussion re: cloud-init networking config
[15:08] <waveform> * Attempted (rather lamely) to aid doko with some arm-related python debugging (nearly there!)
[15:08] <waveform> (done)
[15:09] <rbalint> infinity is not online
[15:09] <rbalint> cyphermox:
[15:09] <cyphermox> I think you have a bug there
[15:10] <rbalint> i mean sil2100 is out too
[15:10] <rbalint> juliank:
[15:10] <juliank>  * Followup SRU for apt/trusty to fix regression in previous one (LP: #1821308)
[15:10] <juliank>  * Messaging adjustments for update-notifier-common's motd
[15:10] <juliank>  * Reviewing some documents
[15:10] <juliank>  * Uploaded fix for aptdaemon crashes with "raise StopIteration" (LP: #1811694)
[15:10] <juliank>  * Fed the desktop team a new bug 1822082 :)
[15:10] <juliank> (done)
[15:11] <rbalint> * finalized unattended-upgrades fixes and sru-d + verified them
[15:11] <rbalint> * uploaded systemd's wsl detection fix to Disco and Cosmic, and asked mvo to include the fixes in his uploads to Bionic and Xenial (thanks!)
[15:11] <rbalint> * verified the wslu and systemd SRU-s
[15:11] <rbalint> * partner work
[15:11] <rbalint> * further unattended-upgrades improvements
[15:11] <rbalint> (done)
[15:11] <rbalint> any questions about the status?
[15:11] <gaughen> I have one
[15:12] <gaughen> tdaitx, doko - so what's left to do for openjdk11 in Bionic?
[15:12] <rbalint> doko: i'm adding an autopkgtest to u-u to test upgrading everything to -proposed
[15:12] <rbalint> that covers openjdk11 packages in proposed now
[15:13] <doko> gaughen: looking at openjfx, and looking at unattended-upgrades
[15:13] <tdaitx> gaughen: u-u for bionic and cosmic, checking gtk3 support on openjfx
[15:13] <doko> gaughen, tdaitx: I asked rbalint to do that
[15:14] <doko> and I think I  copied openjdk-lts to -proposed without waiting for the armhf binaries :-/
[15:14] <doko> I'll need to sort that out ...
[15:15] <gaughen> doko, tdaitx should I setup a sync for Monday?
[15:16] <tdaitx> gaughen: I think so, steve was out this week, so could be a good way to get back to it
[15:16] <gaughen> cool, will do
[15:16] <doko> gaughen: I'm at a conference, so probably not ...
[15:16] <gaughen> well I'll get sbeattie and tdaitx together
[15:17] <rbalint> #topic Release incoming bugs (bionic)
[15:17] <rbalint> #topic Release incoming bugs (disco)
[15:17] <rbalint> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:18] <bdmurray> bug 1821869? should we just target that doko?
[15:18] <doko> bdmurray: no
[15:18] <bdmurray> doko: what is the tag for?
[15:19] <doko> it says rls-dd-incoming, not assign-to-doko, or what did I read wrong?
[15:19] <doko> anyway, if you would have read the status ... waveform is looking at that
[15:19] <bdmurray> when I said target I meant target it to the release not to doko
[15:20] <bdmurray> waveform: if you are looking at it perhaps you should be assigned?
[15:21] <waveform> okay - I'm just putting together something with more space to test it (having run out on the CM :)
[15:22] <bdmurray> okay, I'l target it and assign it
[15:22] <gaughen> wait
[15:22] <gaughen> so we're wanting to fix this for disco?
[15:23] <bdmurray> I believe so
[15:23] <gaughen> k
[15:23] <bdmurray> then bug 1821412
[15:28] <rbalint> sounds important to fix but we can sru that later
[15:28] <bdmurray> yeah, that's ture
[15:28] <gaughen> so we don't think this one is release critical?
[15:28] <bdmurray> er, true and it may need SRU'ing to an older release
[15:28] <gaughen> bdmurray, so let's get it in the queue for early in EE and then SRU
[15:29] <bdmurray> Is it worth getting this fixed on the Disco image?
[15:29] <bdmurray> I guess that's the real question.
[15:29] <bdmurray> and I'd say no, so EE
[15:30] <bdmurray> then that leaves bug 1822044 which is also High
[15:32] <rbalint> i think this shoule be fixed, but probably not in our packages
[15:32] <bdmurray> right, the restart now issues are never ubiquity
[15:34] <rbalint> withot nouveau it seems to work
[15:34] <bdmurray> this is recent hardware and is certified so seems important for DD
[15:36] <gaughen> bdmurray, I just poked bjf about this bug
[15:36] <gaughen> bdmurray, do you want to retarget it at something not-ubiquity?
[15:37] <bdmurray> gaughen: will do
[15:37] <gaughen> so one more thing on the first one - the python one - who will pick that one up?
[15:38] <bdmurray> gaughen: I thought waveform is
[15:38] <waveform> yup
[15:38] <gaughen> ah cool, thanks waveform
[15:38] <doko> Bug 1821350
[15:40] <gaughen> what about bug 1809920
[15:41] <bdmurray> there needs to be another release to upgrade to for that to happen
[15:41] <bdmurray> so if people are upgrading to disco, e won't be available yet so its not critical for fixing
[15:41] <rbalint> +1
[15:45] <bdmurray> maybe we should test that and see what happens if click yes during the existing upgrade
[15:46] <bdmurray> I'll go ahead and test this
[15:46] <bdmurray> so how about bug 1795477
[15:47] <juliank> woohoo
[15:47] <bdmurray> is that a localization issue?
[15:47] <rbalint> imo this should be fixed
[15:47] <rbalint> most likely l19n
[15:47] <juliank> python-apt bug
[15:47] <rbalint> l18n :-)
[15:47] <juliank> well apt bug; this was supposed to be fixed
[15:47] <rbalint> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:47] <rbalint> #link http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:48] <bdmurray> juliank: when was it supposed to be fixed
[15:48] <juliank> years ago I remember that problem from then
[15:48] <bdmurray> actually the last report is from 1/26/2019 in the Error Tracker
[15:49] <bdmurray> but that's not years ago! ;-)
[15:52] <juliank> summary: this was fixed in xenial's apt 1.2.16 (nov 2016), but the people never upgraded to that before upgrading to bionic
[15:52] <gaughen> xnox was going to look at fuse next week
[15:52] <gaughen> python-numpty is the next one
[15:53] <doko> numpy
[15:53] <gaughen> python-numpy is the next one
[15:53] <doko> graham inggs asked several times including rationale to ignore that one. He never got a reply ...
[15:54] <doko> ... and not for the first time
[15:54] <gaughen> doko, where did he ask?
[15:55] <doko> #u-r
[15:56] <doko> this is a waste of time, here, and for the community contributors
[15:56] <gaughen> so I'm not sure what to do with this one
[15:56] <gaughen> gdb
[15:56] <doko> there's nothing with gdb
[15:56] <doko> archive is frozen for the beta
[15:57] <gaughen> k
[15:57] <gaughen> doko, anything else on the list we should talk about?
[15:58] <doko> gaughen: yes, things like lintian and cross-toolchain-base-mipsen
[15:59] <doko> these all time out, and the runtime varies for some reason.  this is known, but nobody makes any progress on these
[15:59] <doko> e.g. I gave back lintian/armhf until it succeeded
[16:00] <doko> does anybody want to drive that with the release team?
[16:00]  * doko looks at the vacuum of volunteers
[16:00] <cyphermox> shouldn't we try to get to the bottom of it a different way? is this timing out reproducible when running autopkgtests manually?
[16:01] <rbalint> cyphermox, i think there are just a lot of tests
[16:01] <doko> yes, when I'm doing some other work on my machine
[16:01] <cyphermox> rbalint: lots of tests is no good reason to timeout
[16:01] <doko> so lintian is sequential
[16:01] <cyphermox> rbalint: netplan has a ton of tests, they run one after the other, some of them take >60 seconds to run, etc.
[16:02] <doko> c-t-b is a normal build using all the cpu's on the machine
[16:02] <cyphermox> c-t-b?
[16:02] <doko> c-t-b-m
[16:02] <doko> cross-toolchain-base-mipsen
[16:02] <cyphermox> ah
[16:03] <rbalint> i pick lintian
[16:03] <gaughen> thanks rbalint
[16:04] <rbalint> anythong else from the queue?
[16:05] <rbalint> #topic AOB
[16:06]  * doko is away next week at Linaro Connect, only working half day on distro stuff
[16:08] <gaughen> 19.04 Final Freeze is two weeks from today
[16:08] <gaughen> that's all I have to say Balint
[16:08] <gaughen> rbalint,
[16:08] <gaughen> +1 to closing the mtg
[16:08] <rbalint> happy hacking the next weeks then, lets roll out an awsome Disco! :-)
[16:08] <rbalint> awesome
[16:09] <rbalint> #endmeeting
[16:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 16:09:01 2019 UTC.
[16:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2019/ubuntu-meeting.2019-03-28-15.02.moin.txt


[00:51] <metsatron> Hi, I made the mistake of enabling Ubuntu Pro. Now XFCE4-Panel is not rendering some important external plugins correctly. I can't find anything online about rolling back. Please help T_T
[14:47] <claw> anyone there
[14:47] <claw> hello
[14:47] <claw> what
[14:47] <claw> what total in this context of the management
[14:48] <diogenes_Vx15> !ask | claw
[14:48] <claw> in the main intext of the systematically development in the main context of athe main didorder to maintain the human resource development process in the main context of the human resource development in the main topiuc inn
[14:48] <claw> ok sure
[14:49] <claw> which website is best to learn python
[14:50] <diogenes_Vx15> educative.io


[05:04] <vimpulse> hi all.  http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/94382 (filed in 2007) says that the phrase "Guided - use entire disk" that ubiquity used is unclear.  The phrase it uses instead nowadays is still four words, but different: "Use the entire disk".  The new phrase is still unclear.  Should I file a new bug, or add to the current bug?
[05:05] <vimpulse> I would like the installer to use the phrase "Erase and use the entire disk" instead.
[05:14] <vimpulse> crosspasting to ##linux
[05:29] <vimpulse> never mind.  I decided to add the comment http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/94382/comments/2 and to retitle the bug to ' "Use the entire disk" is unclear; please rename to "Erase and use the entire disk" '.
[06:00] <leoXsys> thurston: Welcome :) Now you can put your question here :)
[06:01] <thurston> LeoXsys: Thanks, I am about to do that right now :).
[06:04] <thurston> I am new to ubuntu, in fact a week old. I have downloaded and installed the latest version of Skype. I have noticed how Skype interferes with movie player and also the sound on the laptop. When Skype is running, video playback gets retarted and I lose sound totally. I have played about with different settings but the only remedy is when I quit Skype, then everything returns to normal. I have ubuntu Intrepid running on an "acer T
[06:04] <thurston> ravelMate 6292".
[06:04] <dtchen> yeah, that's Skype being crackful
[06:04] <dtchen> and until Skype has a native PulseAudio backend, things will continue to be crackful
[06:05] <dtchen> the best that can be done is to configure Skype to use PA for playback and hw:X for capture
[06:05] <dtchen> (or just drop PA totally and use ALSA only)
[06:10] <thurston> dtchen: Thank you for your advice, I made a quick change to PA for playback, applied the changes and it seems to have sorted my problem. I will monitor this for a while and will report back soon. Thanks again.
[06:11] <thurston> leoXsys: thank you again for guiding me here, it seems I have been sorted.
[06:17] <leoXsys> thurston: One more thing you can switch over from PA to ALSA using asoundconf-gtk, (Just install it from CLI sudo apt-get install asoundconf-gtk)
[06:19] <dtchen> leoXsys: asoundconf* is deprecated; we're completely removing it in karmic (and it has been removed in Debian unstable's alsa-utils)
[06:19] <leoXsys> dtchen: Okk...
[06:21] <leoXsys> leoXsys: Mostly it's helpful me to switchover between my ALSA / WL USB Headset / PA .
[06:36] <thurston> leoXsys, dtchen: Clearly then I will no be able to get asoundconf, even if I tried.
[06:44] <dtchen> thurston: you should not use asoundconf; it will make native ALSA apps route directly through alsa-lib instead of through PulseAudio
[06:44] <dtchen> thurston: you can rm ~/.asoundrc to work around any changes you've made with asoundconf*
[07:48] <thekorn> good morning
[07:48] <methril|work> morning
[09:51] <TheHobbit> hi
[10:04] <TheHobbit> There is something I do not understand in the definition of when an attacment can be defined a patch. Should it be something that can just be dropped in the debian/pathces directory?
[10:11] <thekorn> TheHobbit, I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Patches has a good definition of a patch in ubuntu
[10:22] <TheHobbit> thekorn: ok, then the diff I found in the bug I'm loking at is a patch, if it works that is:)
[10:52] <TheHobbit> I hava another stupid question... unqualified patch numbers (those with just a sharp sign) in debian/changelog refers to debian bugs, right? which is then the right way to indicate that a patch closes a launchpad bug?
[10:53] <jpds> TheHobbit: (LP: #NNNN). (Closes: #NN) is for Debian.
[10:54] <TheHobbit> :)
[10:55] <TheHobbit> hmmm this leads me to think there is something to do in the debian tools for emacs... may be changing them in ubuntu tools, with minor differences..
[11:57] <TheHobbit> hmmmm I'm sorry, but I have another question... I'm working on a bug in the hugday list. I've verified that the attached diff is realy a patch, transformed it a dpatch patch in the correct directory, modified the changelog and build the new package
[11:58] <TheHobbit> I've installed it and verified it solves the bug
[11:58] <TheHobbit> what's next?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors?
[12:05] <IntuitiveNipple> Create a debdiff between the current package version and the new version, attach that to the bug, then , I think, you need a Feature Freeze Exception (FFE) request? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[12:06] <Hobbsee> IntuitiveNipple: it's unlikely to be a feature...
[12:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought the "is a reasonable fix for an important bug" reason covered it?
[12:07] <Hobbsee> feature freeze only covers new features.  Bug fixes are totally separate
[12:07] <Hobbsee> (although the section you just quoted would be a "to fix this bug reasonably, we need to put in this feature")
[12:08] <BUGabundo> IntuitiveNipple Hobbsee hey
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hey BUGabundo
[12:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Hobbsee: Ahhh, that would make more sense
[12:09] <TheHobbit> hmmm the problem is, I'm not even sure that this bug should be fixed anyway :)
[12:09] <IntuitiveNipple> So a debdiff to make the change easy and subscribe the appropriate sponsor, then?
[12:09] <IntuitiveNipple> lol @ TheHobbit ... go on, why?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> by the sounds of it, it appears that TheHobbit has a debdiff already, as he's made one
[12:10] <TheHobbit> is 354912, which states that grsync is not in the "right" menu
[12:11] <TheHobbit> while I'm agree I'm not sure that other people would not disagree
[12:11] <TheHobbit> and as the "Network" menu is the one chosen by upstream...
[12:13] <TheHobbit> and, yes Hobbsee I have a debdiff
[12:15] <IntuitiveNipple> I wish openjdk didn't take so long and so much space to build. I've had to extend the encrypted LVM for /var/ twice so far!
[12:16] <IntuitiveNipple> I suspect /var/cache/ is going to be moved to it's own unencrypted LV
[12:27] <TheHobbit> hmmm I must go, anyhow, I posted the debdiff and set the status to confirmed, I hope this is enough,,, (I also signaled it closed on the HugDay list..)
[12:27] <TheHobbit> see you
[14:03] <BUGabundo> back
[14:42] <BUGabundo> I would like for bug 357719 to be marked wishlist. thanks
[14:46] <Hobbsee> (done)
[14:46] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: thanks
[14:47] <BUGabundo> I really should apply to bug control team....
[14:47] <BUGabundo> but then ppl would pick on every little bit of stress I put in my words
[14:47] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:54] <BUGabundo> hey pedro_ that was fast
[14:56] <pedro_> hola BUGabundo, yeap, just remember to set enhancement as a severity for upstream wishlist items :-)
[14:56] <BUGabundo> I did choose improvement
[14:56] <BUGabundo> guess != enhancement
[15:11] <hggdh> pedro_,  ping
[15:12] <pedro_> hggdh: hello
[17:51] <pedro_> Ubuntu QA Meeting at #ubuntu-meeting in ~9 minutes
[18:15] <YoBoY> hi
[18:18] <mdz> bdmurray: was it you who was working on an apport hook for alsa-info?
[18:18] <BUGabundo> YoBoY: hey! you have been missing !! eeh
[18:19] <bdmurray> mdz: no, I haven't done any work on that.  ogasawara and I were talking about separating sound bugs from kernel bugs and having a hook for alsa-driver.
[18:19] <mdz> bdmurray: I was talking with someone about it and can't remember who it was
[18:20] <bdmurray> mdz: the hook would have to be for a separate package (than linux) correct?
[18:22] <mdz> bdmurray: actually I would like to add it to hookutils and use it in any sound-related package
[18:23] <bdmurray> mdz: ah, that makes sense.
[18:23] <mdz> bdmurray: heh, I just checked and realized I already implemented it
[18:23] <mdz> it's just that no package uses it yet
[18:23] <mdz> bdmurray: hookutils.attach_alsa(report)
[18:24] <bdmurray> mdz: ah great!  I'll work on getting some packages set up with it then
[18:29] <mdz> bdmurray: I'll do alsa-driver
[18:37] <mdz> bdmurray:   Uploading alsa-driver_1.0.18.dfsg-1ubuntu8_source.changes: done.
[18:38] <mdz> bdmurray: this should make it possible to (e.g. for kernel bugs) run apport-collect -p alsa-base NNNNNN
[18:39] <bdmurray> mdz: You can add random package info to an existing bug?
[18:39] <mdz> bdmurray: yes!  bug 333875
[18:39] <mdz> bdmurray: spread the word
[18:41] <bdmurray> mdz: will do thanks for that information!
[18:45] <YoBoY> BUGabundo: missing? only today :D lot of work
[18:45] <BUGabundo> ahh nice to see you back!
[18:52] <mdz> bdmurray: I've also committed to apport (revision 1379) a new function, hookutils.attach_relevant_packages() which attaches version info for a set of packages (I saw this code duplicated in several hooks)
[18:53] <sbeattie> mdz: yay! I duplicated that code in a few places.
[18:55] <mdz> sbeattie: it should go in the next time pitti makes a release
[19:16] <mdz> bdmurray: I didn't realize there was no pulseaudio hook yet, I'll whip one up
[19:16] <mdz> bdmurray: I'm thinking attach_alsa + recent_syslog for pulseaudio.  anything else you think would be good?
[19:17] <mdz> bdmurray: I bet we could get a lot more good stuff with pulseaudio-utils, but that's not installed by default
[19:18] <dtchen> if attach_alsa does not include everything that alsa-info does, we'll still have to ask for alsa-info.
[19:19] <dtchen> something that alsa-info currently doesn't grab that would be useful is dmesg (filtered for codec messages) and /proc/interrupts
[19:19] <dtchen> some things*
[19:21] <mdz> dtchen: I went line-by-line through alsa-info.sh and included everything which made sense
[19:21] <dtchen> i'll look at it later and make additions as necessary
[19:21] <mdz> dtchen: I skipped basic things like version numbers because apport does those all by default
[19:22] <dtchen> oh, and we need fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/* /dev/seq* [...]
[19:22] <mdz> dtchen: one thing I left out was alsactl -f - store
[19:22] <mdz> dtchen: that seemed redundant with the amixer output.  is there some subtle difference I missed?
[19:23] <dtchen> mdz: no, that should be fine
[19:24] <mdz>     report['AlsaDevicesInUse'] = command_output(
[19:24] <mdz>         ['fuser','-v'] + glob.glob('/dev/dsp*')
[19:24] <mdz>             + glob.glob('/dev/snd/*')
[19:24] <mdz>             + glob.glob('/dev/seq*') )
[19:24] <mdz> should do the trick
[19:24] <mdz> I'll add that to attach_alsa
[19:25] <dtchen> slight problem: it returns nothing useful as an privileged user.
[19:25] <dtchen> sorry, unprivileged
[19:26] <mdz> dtchen: it finds my own processes OK
[19:26] <mdz> perseus:[~] fuser -v /dev/snd/*
[19:26] <mdz>                      USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[19:26] <mdz> /dev/snd/controlC0:  mdz        3799 F.... mixer_applet2
[19:26] <mdz> it may not see pulseaudio since that runs with some privileges I believe
[19:27] <dtchen> right, and those apps are the ones that "cause problems"
[19:28] <mdz> we don't currently have access to elevated privs in this context, but I'll add it anyway and we can improve it later
[19:28] <dtchen> ok
[19:32] <mdz> dtchen: bzr commit -m 'apport/hookutils.py: Add fuser info and dmesg to attach_alsa'
[19:33] <mdz> dtchen: do you have any suggestions for things to add to pulseaudio beyond attach_alsa and syslog?
[19:34] <dtchen> mdz: /etc/default/pulseaudio, /etc/pulse/default.pa, and /etc/pulse/client.conf
[19:34] <mdz> dtchen: those are conffiles, so apport will get them automatically iff they're modified from the defaults
[19:35] <dtchen> mdz: ah, ok
[19:38] <dtchen> mdz: no, i think that covers it. ~/.pulse* really is only useful in special cases.
[19:38] <mdz> dtchen: ok, thanks
[19:38] <mdz> I'll upload pulseaudio with a hook shortly
[19:53] <mdz> bdmurray,dtchen: bug 357913
[19:57] <bdmurray> mdz: How does PciMultimedia get generated?
[19:57] <mdz> bdmurray:     report['PciMultimedia'] = pci_devices(PCI_MULTIMEDIA)
[19:59] <mdz> bdmurray: pci_devices uses lspci to find all of the devices with a certain PCI class
[20:00] <bdmurray> mdz: it seems like xorg might benefit from using that
[20:01] <bdmurray> it currently grabs all of lspci
[20:01] <mdz> bdmurray: yes, I'm surprised it doesn't already use that
[20:01] <bdmurray> mdz: I think they were written before the convenience functions
[20:02] <mdz> bdmurray: it should use pci_devices(PCI_DISPLAY)
[20:07] <bdmurray> mdz: looking at the compiz one it makes more sense to me to remove attach_hardware and add pci_devices(PCI_DISPLAY).  Do you think so?
[20:08] <maco> mdz: dan says he's missing the /proc/asound/card/Codec stuff from alsa-info.sh in the apport-bug that was just reported. he says unless it's just lag between uploading, he needs the codec info to be added to the apport alsa hooks
[20:08] <bdmurray> I didn't see it either
[20:09] <maco> he said for AC97 and A...um...something else...crap I can't type and listen at the same time
[20:09] <mdz> maco: which bug?
[20:09] <maco> i dont know, he hung up
[20:09] <bdmurray> mdz: your sample pulseaudio one
[20:09] <maco> yeah thats the impression i got
[20:09] <mdz> maco: it includes the entire contents of /proc/asound/cards
[20:10] <mdz> oh, no it doesn't
[20:10] <mdz> then again, I don't see why it would be needed either
[20:10] <maco> codec info's really important
[20:10] <mdz> maco: if you/he can let me know exactly what he wants in there, I can add it easily
[20:11] <maco>  i think it'd be /proc/asound/card*/Codec*
[20:12] <mdz> maco: those are directories; what should I pull out of there?
[20:12] <mdz> /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0
[20:12] <mdz> /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0+regs
[20:12] <mdz> /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[20:13] <maco> ac97 makes them into directories? lemme check alsa-info.sh. i only have intel to look at here
[20:13] <bdmurray> mdz: #Check for HDA-Intel cards codec#*
[20:13] <bdmurray> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec\#* > /tmp/alsainfo/alsa-hda-intel.tmp 2> /dev/null
[20:13] <bdmurray> from alsa-info.sh
[20:14] <maco> thanks
[20:14] <bdmurray> and then
[20:14] <bdmurray> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec97\#0/ac97\#0-0
[20:14] <bdmurray> cat /proc/asound/card*/codec97\#0/ac97\#0-0+regs
[20:17] <maco> mdz: i dont know anything about ac97, but at least in the hda category, codec's important in the way that can determine what hardware you should or shouldn't buy. sigmatel and realtek (hey great, both my laptops) are ones dan says are often problematic
[20:20] <calc> maco: just means you need to write the quirks for your system, its not too hard :)
[20:23] <mdz> bdmurray,maco: ok, thanks
[20:24] <mdz> pulseaudio takes ages to build
[20:27] <mrooney> can someone remind me what we do for a bug like bug 357877?
[20:27] <mrooney> that needs like 4 tags, doesn't it?
[20:27] <mrooney> regression-potential, suspend, resume, dell?
[20:28] <bdmurray> ogasawara: ?
[20:29] <mrooney> thanks :) I think the package is also linux for those
[20:29] <bdmurray> mrooney: a whole new bug report would probably be best I'm surprised apport didn't catch it
[20:29] <mrooney> bdmurray: yeah I have seen some seemingly automated suspend resume issues, how does that work?
[20:30] <bdmurray> there is an apportcheckresume script
[20:30] <jgoguen> bug 261595 should be set to High because of the data loss/corruption potential right?
[20:31] <bdmurray> mrooney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/SuspendResumeTesting/ has full details
[20:31] <maco> calc: yeah i know
[20:32] <maco> calc: that's what dan was teaching me about last summer
[20:32] <bdmurray> mrooney: so they should run that script to get the higher quality bug report
[20:32] <calc> maco: ah
[20:33] <mrooney> bdmurray: okay, shall I just link to that, asking them to run that, incomplete the bug, and invalidate it if they post a link to the new bug?
[20:34] <bdmurray> mrooney: sounds great
[20:34] <mrooney> also is this a dupe? bug 357928
[20:34] <mrooney> something about printing using notify-osd sounds familiar
[20:34] <maco> dont forget there are two printing systems installed by default
[20:35] <maco> there's that cups configuration thing from fedora too
[20:36] <maco> (that one's notifications seem to work fine, by way, though i think it ought to say "$file has been sent to the printer" instead of "$file has been printed" since it displays long before the printer even responds, let alone finishes)
[20:38] <mrooney> bdmurray: is there any way to investigate why apport didn't catch that suspend issue?
[20:41] <bdmurray> mrooney: I don't know specifically but would check with the kernel team
[20:44] <mdz> bdmurray,maco: bzr commit -m 'apport/hookutils.py: Add codec info to attach_alsa'
[20:46] <mdz> dtchen: I must have overlooked that, but it'll be there with the next apport upload
[21:48] <javito> hi
[22:20] <ausimage> hello I believe bug 320393 is not related to the remote desktop server perse...
[22:20] <ausimage> That aludes xrdp and I have the same bug in tightvncserver
[22:21] <ausimage> does anyone know what package in gnome it should go against instead?
[22:22] <ausimage> the workaround is turning off /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/plugins/keyboard
[22:22] <ausimage> and I could not believe the bug was incomplete either :/
[22:23] <ausimage> just cause there was no backtrace
[22:23] <ausimage> the bug here does not generate a crash... just a miscommunication :/
[22:23] <ausimage> IMHO
[23:41] <jgoguen> bug 261595, this should be set to High because of data loss/corruption potential?
[23:49]  * ausimage spies that Jaunty is now RC :)
[23:50] <ausimage> at least that is what the change logs indicate
[23:51] <ausimage> oops wrong channel :S


[00:05] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Hurray expect a respin in the next 24 hours, Kubuntu has a encrpytion password matching bugfix to go in.
[00:06] <smartboyhw> Maybe no, but just a warning;P
[00:09] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, i think when it's related to Kubuntu only and the ubuntu studio iso's are ok, it doesn't affect us
[00:11] <DarkEra> i could be mistaken though
[00:16] <zequence> I hate tutorials/manuals/references that are written as if the person reading it should already know what it is instructing
[00:16] <zequence> After much work, I'm finally doing some filtering with imapfilter using the lua scripting language
[00:17] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Congrats : )
[00:21] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Thanks
[00:22] <madeinkobaia> I just finished a study work on Ubuntu Studio : http://sta.sh/015tu875d4ft
[00:22] <zequence> Aside from creating a personal filtering system, I also want to create something easy for other developers to set up in order to track massive amounts of mail coming from different mail lists
[00:23] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Looks nice
[00:23] <madeinkobaia> Its kind of mix of many things, a graphical improvisation. Nothing official, now we could do something.
[00:23] <madeinkobaia> What do you think of the slogan ?
[00:26] <zequence> "Sound & Vision"? It's stylish. Resembles a brand more than a slogan perhaps.
[00:26] <zequence> The coloring is nice though
[00:27] <zequence> From white to blue, and since they are two different subjects, it's also symbolic
[00:29] <madeinkobaia> Thanks for the feedback. (btw Its a Bowie album too)
[00:29] <zequence> Right. Must be from where I get some vibes :)
[00:31] <madeinkobaia> For sure. I searched on gog, there are no notable brands using that sentence. First I started on "Audio, Video, Graphics", but its was a little bit long so I switched on that.
[00:34] <zequence> When using it in context with Ubuntu Studio, it feels like it suits best in a poetic fashion. Like, a made up brand name. If you add the text to the picture, it becomes an expansion of the graphics
[00:35] <zequence> The more weight on "Sound & Vision", the more towards the poetic, IMO
[00:35] <zequence> I was just thinking about what if we would use our own codenames
[00:36] <zequence> Or, additional code names.
[00:37] <zequence> But, it would just be confusing, I think. At least, not very helpful anyway
[00:39] <madeinkobaia> Those kind of questions are important and needs reflexion. The concept is open. Now graphical studys are a good way for exploring new ideas.
[00:44] <madeinkobaia> I ask my self if I will expose it on deviantart for celebrate the release out. As "non official" advertising of course. Now it is hidden, its just on my personal storage place on dA (dA = deviantart).
[00:46] <zequence> I don't see any other reason not to publish personal stuff.
[00:47] <zequence> I mean, I don't see any reason not to publish personal stuff
[00:47] <zequence> Reading through my inbox, which now holds all the mail from 1st of January. 79 mail lists so far (not all of them are actual mail lists)
[00:48] <madeinkobaia> Ok
[00:48] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I even think it would be nice to showcase stuff on our website
[00:49] <zequence> Anything that was done with Ubuntu Studio could be posted as "news"
[00:49] <madeinkobaia> For sure, could be great.
[00:49] <zequence> And one could keep a gallery of stuff too
[00:50] <madeinkobaia> It was done on Gimp at 100%
[00:50] <madeinkobaia> Even the text part (I was patient :D )
[00:51] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Did you smudge the text? I don't know how to make it smooth myself, so I generally use Inkscape for doing text
[00:52] <madeinkobaia> zequence : smudge, you mean blur ?
[00:52] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Yeah :)
[00:53] <madeinkobaia> Oh its really easy, you enter the text with the text tool (who unfortunately really needs to be improve) then you select your layer and in
[00:55] <madeinkobaia> ..filter, then "blur", then Gaussian blur and you enter a blur between 0,1 and 0,9, the result will really smooth
[00:55] <madeinkobaia> I translate from French, but I think its ok
[00:56] <zequence> I've experimented with that, but if you want sharp text with smooth lines, I find it hard to do with Gimp. The text looks very uneven
[00:56] <zequence> Something about it being drawn seems so fundamentally different to how it happens in Inkscape
[00:57] <madeinkobaia> Uneven ? Normally there is no problem, I done like that.
[00:58] <madeinkobaia> Inkscape works vectorial, so its really more powerfull for work on text
[00:59] <madeinkobaia> On Gimp when you apply a filter you're text layer is automatically swtich on Bitmap. That's really a problem : (
[01:01] <madeinkobaia> That means that every effetyou will apply after will alter the render.
[01:04] <madeinkobaia> Well, my "sound" and mainly "vision" start to be altered too :D 3 am, time to leave.
[01:04] <DarkEra> same here, still awake
[01:04] <zequence> Ah, just when I thought I had crashed my email server
[01:05] <DarkEra> the design looks nice though madeinkobaia
[01:06] <madeinkobaia> Thanks darkera, a lot work and hours on it and at least 20 layers 8-) But I learned a lot stuffs.
[01:08] <DarkEra> 20 layers? holy crap, that's a lot. But when you keep yourself going you learn and grow indeed :)
[01:08] <madeinkobaia> There are an amazing amont of filters and settings on Gimp, needs time to learn them all
[01:08] <madeinkobaia> Some of my works have 100 :D
[01:08] <DarkEra> wow
[01:09] <DarkEra> yeah, gimp has a lot of stuff in it
[01:10] <DarkEra> right, time to head to bed. Chat you all later ;)
[01:10] <zequence> DarkEra: GN
[01:10] <DarkEra> night zequence
[01:11] <madeinkobaia> Me too, Ok, guys see you later (or earlier ?) zequence  : good luck for mail server config : )
[01:11] <zequence> I guess I'll sleep when I die, resurrect from the dead, and someone from The Walking Dead stabs me with a wooden poke through my head
[01:12] <madeinkobaia> lool
[01:12] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Good Night
[01:12] <madeinkobaia> Good night Kaj :)
[09:40] <smartboyhw> zequence: Can you do me a favor, and copy the release notes from the wiki to main site?
[10:02] <smartboyhw_> Hello DarkEra:)
[10:02] <DarkEra> hi there smartboyhw_ :)
[10:07] <DarkEra> spam cleaning: Check. Ubu Stu current checking: Check.  Wish I understood the underaying stuff better. Wrestling with syntax is not the most fun thing to do in life.
[10:42] <zequence> Right now, I'm not a big fan of lua, but I'm sure that's only because I've been getting too many nil related errors during these last days
[10:42] <zequence> And not because it's a rotten dirty language
[10:46] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Hurray! But can you do me the favor?:P
[10:59] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I'll take care of all the postings. Just give me the link, no problem
[11:00] <smartboyhw_> zequence: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/UbuntuStudio
[11:01] <smartboyhw_> zequence: One thing: Please let me have a look of the release announcement before it's out.;P
[11:07] <zequence> smartboyhw_: The final release announcement is more a job for the project lead. I will talk not only about the release, but about the future. I won't be asking people about their opinion. All though, my job is as always to follow what I've understood to be best for the community
[11:08] <zequence> I mean, I won't ask people about their opinion of the release announcement, that is
[11:08] <smartboyhw_> pl
[11:08] <smartboyhw_> ok
[11:09] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: You did some testing on the current ISO?
[11:09] <zequence> ..I just want to filter my mail with generic tools. How hard can it be?
[11:09] <smartboyhw_> zequence: It depends;P
[11:09] <smartboyhw_> XD
[11:10] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, no, not yet. I just finished writing it to usb stick
[11:10] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Alright :)
[11:11]  * smartboyhw_ hates possible respins
[11:11] <smartboyhw_> The Kubuntu-styled new ubiquity for Kubuntu is quite buggy it seems
[11:12] <DarkEra> testing will have to wait til my wife comes back, i'm taking care of the kids at the moment :)
[11:14] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: No worries:)
[11:22] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: speaking of this, can you help us do some upgrade testing?
[11:24]  * DarkEra needs a testing machine
[11:24] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, from what to what version?
[11:25] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: 12.10 -> 13.04
[11:25] <smartboyhw_> These things don't respin:P (except image upgrading)
[11:25] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Try doing the Software Updater first
[11:25] <DarkEra> i only have 12.04 and 13.04 on this machine
[11:26] <smartboyhw_> Uh oh.
[11:26] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Try using ^*
[11:26] <smartboyhw_> s/^*/VMs/
[11:27] <smartboyhw_> Grrr
[11:27] <DarkEra> time is not on my side today but testing 13.04 could be done though
[11:30] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: OK
[11:52] <smartboyhw_> zequence: As a Ubuntu Forums user, please support https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1172218
[11:59] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Thanks. I reconfirmed it :)
[12:01]  * smartboyhw_ salutes to zequence for his help
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Hey DarkEra:)
[14:19] <smartboyhw> It turns out we won't have any respins again (except for Kubuntu)
[14:20] <DarkEra> i thought so :)
[14:20] <DarkEra> good afternoon by the way
[14:20] <smartboyhw> zequence: Do you want to do a session in Ubuntu Open Week-R for Ubuntu Studio?
[14:23] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, guess what, i found out i still have a 12.10 32bit iso on one of my external hd
[14:24] <DarkEra> i could wipe the hd on my netbook, install 12.10 and test a upgrade if wanted
[14:27] <smartboyhw> ooh
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Thanks!
[14:28] <DarkEra> i'm busy copying it to the home folder and create a usb stick at the moment
[14:30] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Damn possible respin due to a package that shouldn't exist:O
[14:44] <smartboyhw> In our images at least.
[14:47] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: ^
[14:47]  * smartboyhw emits blood
[14:48] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, ok thanks, i'll wait and zsync later on when the respin is out. For now i'll keep myself busy with testing the upgrade. Had phone and starting to create the usb stick now
[14:49] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Keep on with the upgrades, they won't be affected:)
[14:50] <DarkEra> ok :)
[14:51] <DarkEra> heya madeinkobaia how are you doing today buddy? :)
[14:51] <madeinkobaia> darkera : I am fine :)
[14:51] <DarkEra> that's great :)
[14:52] <DarkEra> i need some food, bbl
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Hello madeinkobaia:)
[14:55] <madeinkobaia> I put in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/files/head:/ON-AIR/   2 preview banners for G+/FB. That is a special version for the 13.04 release. Any feedback is welcome.
[14:55] <madeinkobaia> zequence : ^
[14:56] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw, how are you ?
[14:56] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Great. I'll have a look
[14:56] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Hurray!
[14:57] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Thanks : ) Witch version do you prefer ? 05 or 06 ?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Both are OK I think.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> I rather prefer 05 though
[15:00] <zequence> madeinkobaia: I think 06 has a nicer style, but 05 speaks more directly - easier to catch it with the eyes
[15:00]  * smartboyhw has the same comment as zequence
[15:00] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Ok, Lets go for the 05 !
[15:01] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Probably because of too much complexity around the letters. The splashes might work better around the letters :)
[15:01] <smartboyhw> zequence: 05 then?
[15:01] <zequence> Badly explained, but you know what I mean
[15:02]  * smartboyhw can understand even being an art crap:P
[15:03] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Hello, yeah no problems :)
[15:03] <zequence> madeinkobaia: hi :)
[15:03] <smartboyhw> OK, we are really gonna respin soon.
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Does anyone know what purpose of unity-assets-pool in our image?
[15:04] <madeinkobaia> The release is still for tomorrow ?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> It's the package causing the respin (thx Microsoft for complaining about Skype)
[15:04] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: It always is.
[15:06] <madeinkobaia> Ok so I will put the definitive version this evening in the branch, like that we can for tomorrow have our banners on line on G+ and FB : )
[15:09] <smartboyhw> ok
[15:13] <madeinkobaia> I be back around 8 pm (gmt +1), that let us a little bit time of reflexion for any changes on the banners. See you all : )
[15:23] <DarkEra> 05 looks nice indeed
[15:25] <DarkEra> right, had some food, installing 12.10 on the netbook now
[16:19] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, software updater doesn't show 13.04 yet so can't upgrade through that
[16:22] <zequence> DarkEra: Start if from the terminal. Two options. I think -d would be one. See update-manager --help
[16:22] <zequence> Since it's still marked as development release, you need to specify you are upgrading to the development release
[16:23] <DarkEra> that's what i thought since 13.04 is not released yet and still needs testing
[16:23] <DarkEra> thanks zequence i'll look into that
[16:25] <DarkEra> yep, got it. Starting upgrade now
[18:02] <DarkEra> yay! upgrade finished
[18:36] <madeinkobaia> darkera : : )
[18:37] <madeinkobaia> The final (?) version of the social network banner for 13.04 available here : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/files/head:/social-networks_googleplus/
[18:41] <madeinkobaia> I also cleaned the Ubuntu Studio logo = before : https://plus.google.com/u/0/102125777892703446963/posts after : https://plus.google.com/u/0/112937756282972852089/posts
[18:41] <madeinkobaia> zequence : ^
[19:56] <DarkEra> zsync time
[20:40] <zequence> madeinkobaia: Ah, great work on the logo :)
[20:40] <zequence> And that Debian banner looks awesome :)
[20:43] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Yep, the banner is one of my wp I made for Debian :)
[20:44] <madeinkobaia> zequence : For the logo I just added some blur, the borders are smooth now : )
[20:46] <zequence> Yes, the borders were ok against white background, for apparent reasons. They needed to be cleaned up :)
[20:46] <zequence> Actually, I've cropped the picture on the G+ site
[20:46] <zequence> ..I think
[20:46] <zequence> :P
[20:46] <zequence> Anyway. It's good we have a nice set of replacements :)
[20:49] <madeinkobaia> zequence : Hope to see the result on line : )
[20:51] <zequence> We have new releases of ISOs out now
[20:51] <zequence> Should finally be the final ones
[20:51] <zequence> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/269/builds
[20:51] <zequence> They will need a bit of testing
[20:52] <len-1304> Ya about 2 hours ago.
[20:52] <len-1304>  Just downloaded... but have a dentist app now :P
[20:52] <zequence> len-1304: Always fun :)
[20:53] <len-1304> I will test 32bit later when I get back.
[20:54] <zequence> I'm zynking both ISOs now. It's getting late, but I should be able to pull off some testing
[20:55] <DarkEra> zsync is done so i'm preparing the usb stick
[20:56] <DarkEra> i hope i can do some testing to but have to keep a eye on our oldest
[21:11] <zequence> Either I'm really stupid, or mail filtering is stupid
[21:12] <madeinkobaia> "The truth is often between opposite" (by "Lao Tseu", but I am not sure :D )
[21:17] <zequence> Both could be true too
[21:19] <madeinkobaia> ...and reciprocally.
[21:19] <zequence> I'm realizing I'm dealing with databases, but I'm not doing it hands on, so I take the long way around understanding what I'm doing
[21:22] <madeinkobaia> lol, you're using "regular expressions" for create filters ?
[21:28] <madeinkobaia> Any Led Zeppelin fan's on Ubuntu Studio ?
[21:32] <zequence> I'm using a tool called imapfilter, to filter my IMAP mailbox. The filtering is done in LUA
[21:34] <madeinkobaia> zequence : ok
[21:35] <zequence> I'm emigrating to the mutt email client, from Opera
[21:35] <zequence> Or migrating :)
[21:37] <madeinkobaia> Depends on the place you leave ;)
[23:28] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: You zsynced the new image 20130424;
[23:28] <smartboyhw> ?
[23:34] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, yep
[23:35] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: \o/
[23:35] <DarkEra> just installing it on the third partition on the laptop
[23:36] <DarkEra> almost done
[23:36] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, i also upgraded 12.10 to 13.04 on the netbook
[23:37] <DarkEra> i'm on that right now
[23:37]  * smartboyhw hugs DarkEra
[23:38] <DarkEra> :)
[23:38] <DarkEra> you can see how much i care about the project
[23:40] <DarkEra> i just want to thank you smartboyhw and zequence for being patient and showing me the way, i really appreciate that
[23:41] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: :) I should have helped you do some testing, but holy christ secondary 3 tests took most of my time away:( I have a Chinese History test tmr.
[23:42] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, it's ok and i understand. Your private life and school have priority
[23:43] <smartboyhw> :)
[23:43] <DarkEra> it was a busy day here to with my kids so i couldn't do much anyway
[23:45] <DarkEra> at least i got the netbook install upgraded this evening


[00:14] <dutchie> humphreybc: get my "answering machine" messages?
[00:14] <humphreybc> sure did
[00:15] <dutchie> also, I fixed the planet
[00:15] <humphreybc> yup saw that, sweet as
[00:21] <humphreybc> what's the new branch dutchie?
[00:21] <humphreybc> testing translations?
[00:21] <dutchie> I set up auto translation exports
[00:22] <dutchie> not going to blat them straight into the main branch until I've tested things out
[00:24] <humphreybc> haha fair enough, good thinking
[00:24] <humphreybc> so they're auto exports?
[00:24] <dutchie> yep
[00:24] <humphreybc> cool
[00:24] <humphreybc> how'd you do that?
[00:24] <dutchie> set the launchpad "auto export branch"
[00:25] <humphreybc> ah
[00:26] <dutchie> almost tempted to try setting a bzr pre-commit hook to update the translations
[00:26] <dutchie> but I'm busy writing now :)
[00:37] <godbyk> dutchie: Are you the translations guy?
[00:37] <godbyk> I've been playing with them (on the LaTeX side).
[00:37] <dutchie> godbyk: ah yes?
[00:38] <godbyk> Yeah, I've updated the Makefile to build and compile the translated manual.
[00:38] <godbyk> And that generally works..
[00:38] <godbyk> But now I have to find some typefaces that support all the scripts/languages we're translating to.
[00:38] <godbyk> That's proving to be more difficult.
[00:39]  * dutchie looks into bzr hooks to update the pot file on each commit
[00:45] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: Thomas Cantera has signed on to write chapter 2
[00:45] <godbyk> when the translators get an updated file, does it show the diff so they can see what changed? or are they continuously retranslating the same stuff repeatedly?
[00:46] <dutchie> godbyk: I think LP is intelligent enough not to translate the same thing over and over
[00:46] <godbyk> cool.  was just curious.
[00:57] <humphreybc> godbyk: how do I do a copyright symbol?
[00:57] <humphreybc> (For windows)
[00:58] <dutchie> do you really need to?
[00:58] <humphreybc> it's the first time we mention it i think
[00:58] <humphreybc> in the prologue
[00:58] <dutchie> I thought it was enough to credit it somewhere
[00:58] <humphreybc> okay
[00:58] <dutchie> IANAL etc etc
[00:58] <humphreybc> well i suppose we can figure that out down the track
[00:59] <godbyk> humphreybc: \textcopyright{}, I think will do it.
[00:59] <godbyk> There's one on the copyright page (in frontmatter/copyright.tex, I think)
[00:59] <godbyk> Oh, you mean a registered trademark symbol or somesuch instead, I think.
[01:00] <godbyk> didn't we decide not to use those?
[01:00] <humphreybc> i think so
[01:00] <humphreybc> offtopic, what's the "version 1.0" on the copyright page for?
[01:00] <godbyk> humphreybc: Erm.. I think that was left over from the copy/paste from another book I worked on.
[01:00] <humphreybc> and is it possible to make the bottom margin a bit smaller? we could probably save a tonne of pages that way
[01:01] <humphreybc> okay i'll fix up the copyright thing now
[01:01] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, yeah.. the whole design is getting a facelift. :-)
[01:01] <humphreybc> ho?
[01:01] <humphreybc> oh*?
[01:01] <godbyk> yep.
[01:02] <humphreybc> cool what's changing?
[01:02] <godbyk> pretty much everything will be redone so it works better with whatever page sizes and fonts we end up using, etc.
[01:02] <humphreybc> cool
[01:02] <humphreybc> will it save some file size?
[01:02] <godbyk> everything that's there now is pretty much just placeholder until I get time to do it right.
[01:02] <godbyk> I don't know how it'll affect the file size.
[01:04] <humphreybc> righto
[01:04] <humphreybc> i've got a question
[01:05] <humphreybc> with PDFs
[01:05] <godbyk> fire away
[01:05] <humphreybc> would there be a difference in file size if you had the same amount of content squeezed into less pages, rather than more pages but the same content?
[01:05] <humphreybc> like would adjusting the margins and font size, therefore reducing page count save file size?
[01:06] <godbyk> Well, there's a little overhead for a new page, but I don't think it'd matter too much.  Just guessing, though.
[01:06] <godbyk> Probably a little bit.
[01:06]  * dutchie wonders if it's worth pointing out that it should be "fewer pages"
[01:06] <godbyk> But compared to loading the PDF with screenshots and embedding fonts, I don't think it'll matter much.
[01:06] <humphreybc> okay. well every kilobyte counts
[01:07] <godbyk> Once we have all the content, we can see about optimizing the PDFs for size.
[01:07] <humphreybc> swell
[01:07] <humphreybc> do you know of any comparable documents on the net, examples etc... that have about 80 pages with screenshots?
[01:07] <humphreybc> so that we can get a rough idea of their size
[01:08] <godbyk> Hmm.. not right off.
[01:09] <humphreybc> okay well if you come across something similar to ours, then see what the file size is
[01:11] <humphreybc> the "makeuseof.com" Karmic bible has 52 pages, a fair amount of screenshots and it's 1.4mb
[01:12] <humphreybc> I think as long as we're under 2mb we should be okay. I'll talk to Jorge Castro, who packages up the example content for Ubuntu, and see what he says. He told me a couple of weeks ago that he could get rid of a lot of crap that's currently example content and put our manual in place
[01:13] <godbyk> What are the limits we're allowed?
[01:13] <godbyk> The manual as it stands now is ~500K.
[01:14] <humphreybc> there's no limits on the size
[01:14] <humphreybc> but the smaller it is, the more chance we have of being included on the CD
[01:14] <godbyk> I see.
[01:15] <humphreybc> for example, pitivi is an entire program and it's only 2.5mb
[01:15] <godbyk> Btw, dealing with the translations is opening up whole new territory for me with LaTeX.
[01:15] <humphreybc> heh well you can add that to your resume :P
[01:15] <godbyk> Handily, it's forcing me to learn some things I hadn't had an excuse to learn before. :-)
[01:16] <humphreybc> but yeah, file size is paramount if we want to get it on the CD
[01:16] <humphreybc> we might have to pull some tricks like the US military had to do to get a B-52 to take off from a carrier in WW2
[01:16] <godbyk> I think we'll have to wait until we have more of the content (and screenshots) in before we can start looking to optimize for file size.
[01:17] <humphreybc> yup
[01:17] <humphreybc> it's just something to be aware of
[01:17] <humphreybc> anyway i'm going to grab something to eat
[01:17] <godbyk> Sure.  When are we starting to collect the screenshots?
[01:17] <humphreybc> um
[01:17] <humphreybc> not sure, probably about beta
[01:18] <humphreybc> we can't take too many too soon because Lucid is still in alpha
[01:18] <humphreybc> it'll definitely be a crazy rush for us to get screenshots in so many languages in such a short time
[01:18] <humphreybc> that will be the real test :S
[01:19] <humphreybc> good times :)
[01:20] <godbyk> I can imagine!
[01:20] <dutchie> we'll also need to freeze writing some time before actual release to allow translations to catch up
[01:20] <humphreybc> totally
[01:20] <humphreybc> around beta i'd say
[01:21] <humphreybc> that's why we really need to get the main content done asap
[01:21] <humphreybc> allow fine tuning and editing to take place between alpha - beta
[01:21] <humphreybc> then freeze writing at beta, allow translations to catch up, and start sourcing screenshots
[01:21] <humphreybc> could someone have a look at the lucid release schedule and see what version of Lucid will be out at our beta?
[01:24] <wolter> hey humphreybc
[01:24] <wolter> sorry for the mail :S
[01:25] <wolter> is that in the mail you wrote "You are receiving this mail because (...)"
[01:34] <humphreybc> no worries wolter, perhaps i should have made it clearer that I was CC'ing it to everyone
[01:34] <wolter> no worries ben :)
[01:35] <humphreybc> I was just thinking, if we're going to get on the CD, our manual will only be the english version - we'll have to have a page very near the start, possibly even before the title page, that says "To get this manual in your own language, visit... " and then translate that in 30 languages
[01:35] <humphreybc> We'll also have to have each language PDF version available in the repositories... so package names like ubuntu-manual-fr etc
[01:35] <wolter> haha
[01:35] <humphreybc> either that or we just have the source in the repos, and then when installing it picks up what language they're using, and then builds the correct version
[01:35] <wolter> sounds like easy >> "and then translate in 30 languages"
[01:35] <humphreybc> but that would require a lot of dependencies. thoughts?
[01:36] <humphreybc> of course the example content at present is only in english
[01:36] <wolter> I think that, as each version of ubuntu has its own per-language version, I think it would be no problem shipping the manual in the cd already built
[01:36] <wolter> but, there is one thing:
[01:37] <wolter> if the manual were to come pre-installed, then the manual should be downloadable from ubuntu official repos
[01:37] <humphreybc> i think they only build one version of the CD, but include many locales and you can choose your language
[01:37] <wolter> ahh
[01:37] <wolter> yes thats true...
[01:37] <humphreybc> we can't include all of the ubuntu manual locales, there wouldn't be enough space
[01:37] <wolter> ugh.. yes indeed, that sounded so much like windows
[01:38] <humphreybc> so what do we do?
[01:38] <godbyk> If they're to get it from the repository, it may be just as easy to get it from a nice url (like http://ubuntu-manua.org/)
[01:38] <godbyk> since both require internet access anyway.
[01:39] <godbyk> and the 'download it from the web' step is already familiar to more people than 'get it from this repository thing that we haven't explained yet'
[01:39] <godbyk> Also, Ubuntu should just move to DVDs already. :-)
[01:39] <humphreybc> haha
[01:40] <humphreybc> well they haven't moved to DVDs yet so unfortunately we have to work with what we've got
[01:40] <humphreybc> so, let's say that one version is included as example content
[01:40] <humphreybc> that would be the english version
[01:41] <godbyk> We could provide links to the versions in other languages that download it from the web.
[01:41] <humphreybc> and for people who set up their computer with another language, they're going to wonder why they still have a manual that's in english when everything else is in their own language
[01:41] <godbyk> Or maybe a script that snags the right one during install?
[01:41] <humphreybc> but what if they're installing offline?
[01:41] <pererik87> english one with links inside
[01:41] <humphreybc> perhaps a script that downloads the right one during install, and if they don't have internet access, then it defaults to the english one
[01:42] <pererik87> or what he said
[01:42] <godbyk> pererik87: That's a good idea. We can have hyperlinks to download their language version.
[01:42] <humphreybc> also, if we're going to have it in the repositories/software center... you can't really have 30+ results when you type "ubuntu manual" into the software center search field
[01:42] <wolter> humphreybc, don't they ship desktop help in all languages then?
[01:42] <pererik87> i think all ideas combined
[01:42] <humphreybc> wolter I think they do yes
[01:43] <wolter> maybe we could code a small app that would build the manual
[01:43] <wolter> from source
[01:43] <wolter> like in the desktop, "Get Ubuntu Manual"
[01:43] <wolter> or something
[01:43] <humphreybc> You guys may have heard about that new software center feature where you are able to choose "extras" to install for packages?
[01:43] <wolter> i don't know, that could be discussed later
[01:43] <humphreybc> wolter, too many dependencies,... latex etc
[01:43] <wolter> ah.. true
[01:43] <wolter> i just thought about what you said earlier
[01:43] <wolter> maybe just a download link?
[01:43] <humphreybc> we could just list the Ubuntu Manual as one entry in the software center, and then in the extras drop down box they can choose what language to install... i'd have to talk to the SC guys about that though.
[01:43] <wolter> or a download link in the ubuntu download page.
[01:44] <godbyk> []whoops! closed the wrong window.
[01:44] <pererik87> script autodetects and downloads for right language. this function is already there for language files. And links inside for different languages.
[01:44] <humphreybc> I think it has to be more automated than just a download link
[01:44] <humphreybc> okay so a script sounds good
[01:44] <humphreybc> and if we can utilize this "extras" thing in the SC then we can just have one listing for the manual, and they can choose what language to install
[01:45] <humphreybc> I think multiple languages is a real selling point for us, I don't believe any similar documentation can boast that it's available in 30+ languages.
[01:45] <humphreybc> (apart from ubuntu docs)
[01:45] <humphreybc> by similar i mean the official ubuntu book, the karmic bible, Keir Thomas' Ubuntu pocket guide etc
[01:48] <wolter> 'xactly
[01:49]  * godbyk is just thinking how much easier this'll be for the 10.10 release.  <sigh>
[01:49] <pererik87> packet manager also works by language. if it was added to the repostory. the language would update itself on first update
[01:50] <godbyk> what's packet manager?
[01:50] <pererik87> software center if you like thet better
[01:51] <wolter> hahah
[01:51] <wolter> i think he wanted you to say "package" manager
[01:51] <godbyk> ah! gotcha.
[01:51] <pererik87> haha im not native in english, and typing fast isnt helping
[01:52] <godbyk> I was trying to figure out who would want to manage individual network packets. :-)
[01:53] <humphreybc> lol
[01:53] <humphreybc> godbyk: heh... yes time is short... but that's okay
[01:53] <humphreybc> we will survive
[01:53]  * humphreybc sings
[01:53] <godbyk> It'll be a lot easier the next time because all of this framework stuff will be done.
[01:54] <humphreybc> indeed
[01:54] <humphreybc> getting it sorted for 10.10 will be a breeze after this
[01:54] <humphreybc> i can work on other projects! I will have a life! yay!
[01:56] <wolter> haha
[01:56] <wolter> (toolshed!) wooow!
[01:57] <humphreybc> heh
[01:57] <humphreybc> indeed
[01:57] <humphreybc> right i'm going to go and sit outside in the sun, read my book and eat something
[01:57] <humphreybc> back later
[01:57] <godbyk> see ya
[05:05] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: re Thomas Cantera signing up for chapter 2... very nice.
[08:09] <humphreybc> for anyone having difficulty explaining bzr, I suggest they check out Ground Control by Martin Owens
[08:09] <humphreybc> he just released beta version today
[08:09] <humphreybc> i'm just testing it out at the moment
[08:09] <humphreybc> http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/ground-control-demonstration/
[08:10] <humphreybc> is anyone in here at the moment?
[08:10] <humphreybc> ping godbyk, IlyaHaykinson, jmburgess
[08:11] <godbyk> I'm here.
[08:12] <humphreybc> could you do me a quick favour, make a tiny change and push it
[08:12] <humphreybc> i just want to test how ground control handles pulling
[08:12] <humphreybc> before i recommend it to the rest of the team
[08:14] <humphreybc> I changed the "P" in project on the first line of the readme to "p"
[08:14] <humphreybc> perhaps just change it back to uppercase and push
[08:16] <godbyk> sure
[08:16] <godbyk> one sec
[08:16] <humphreybc> cool
[08:19] <godbyk> humphreybc: okay.
[08:19] <godbyk> I changed some spacing in the readme and pushed.
[08:20] <humphreybc> neat
[08:21] <humphreybc> yeah ground control is really nice
[08:22] <humphreybc> should make it easy for new contributors to submit things
[08:22] <humphreybc> i'm not sure how it pulls though... i'll have to talk to martin about it
[08:23] <godbyk> cool.  I'll have to check it out.
[08:24] <humphreybc> what's up with this btw? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bengali-manual
[08:25] <humphreybc> i might make a short video tomorrow demonstrating bzr
[08:28] <thorwil> humphreybc: hi! you should really do something about quoting in your email client
[08:29] <humphreybc> lol how do you mean? I use gmail
[08:29] <thorwil> humphreybc: well, there's nothing that distinguishes quotes from your replies
[08:30] <humphreybc> oh okay, I didn't know
[08:30] <humphreybc> what client are you using
[08:30] <humphreybc> ?
[08:30] <thorwil> humphreybc: evolution
[08:30] <thorwil> humphreybc: the standard is > on the left of each quoted line
[08:31] <humphreybc> gmail probably has a quoting feature but i've never used it
[08:31] <thorwil> humphreybc: i'm rather sure i saw correct quotes in emails from people using gmail
[08:32] <godbyk> humphreybc: Are you using plain text or rich text in gmail?  The plain text setting adds the > prefix for quoted lines.  not sure what the rich text version does.
[08:33] <humphreybc> rich text
[08:33] <humphreybc> rich text looks like it indents and adds a vertical rule next to the quote
[08:33] <humphreybc> i'm looking into google labs
[08:34] <thorwil> humphreybc: i looked into the html version of your last mail. no indent or anything else there either
[08:34] <humphreybc> I found a "Quote selected text" lab thing
[08:35] <thorwil> sometimes one could think the gmail makers never used mailing lists
[08:36] <humphreybc> hmm, maybe it's just evolution not liking gmail's rich text quoting
[08:36] <humphreybc> Usually if I quote something in chunks I'll italicize what i'm quoting and use quotation marks around it.
[08:37] <humphreybc> (as well as it gets indented for rich text, and for other gmail users, it appears as purple font)
[08:37] <humphreybc> thorwil: do you have a blog?
[08:38] <thorwil> humphreybc: i configured it to default to plain text. actually, there is indention in the html version, but not for the quote you placed on the top (manually i guess)
[08:38] <humphreybc> ah okay, sorry
[08:38] <thorwil> there are no italics
[08:38] <thorwil> humphreybc: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/
[08:38] <humphreybc> cool
[08:39] <humphreybc> dutchie: could you add this feed to the planet? ^^
[08:39] <humphreybc> thorwil: this is what I myself and other gmail users see: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quote.png
[08:40] <thorwil> humphreybc: could well be that i don't blog about the manual, or only once after this version is done
[08:41] <humphreybc> your call whether you want to be on the planet or not
[08:41] <thorwil> humphreybc: no idea why the color don't appear in the html. anyway, this doesn't degrade gracefully, so better use >
[08:42] <godbyk> humphreybc: With the most recent email you sent, I just see italicized text for quotes.  (I'm using gmail.)
[08:42] <humphreybc> righto
[08:42] <thorwil> humphreybc: i wouldn't mind, if you have no issue with a lack of posts that are directly relevant ;)
[08:42] <humphreybc> go for it
[08:43] <thorwil> dutchie: so yes, please :)
[08:43] <thorwil> anyone seen kolorguild lately?
[08:44] <humphreybc> thorwil: refresh that link I gave you and you'll see another example of gmail quoting
[08:44] <humphreybc> nope
[08:44] <humphreybc> a few of the team members have disappeared off the planet
[08:45] <thorwil> that's the quoting style i mean
[08:45] <humphreybc> also thorwil if you have style/design stuff which you'd like to discuss at the meeting, could you put it on the meeting agenda? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[08:46] <godbyk> humphreybc: the second quoting style is nicer.
[08:47] <thorwil> humphreybc: will do so in a moment
[08:48] <humphreybc> cool
[08:48] <humphreybc> I think it will be good for you to have your blog on the planet, and any style team announcements or decisions and proposals can be announced there
[08:49]  * vish wonders... where is this manual planet blog?
[08:49] <vish> humphreybc: you neednt italicize the quoted text
[08:50] <humphreybc> vish: planet.interesting.co.nz
[08:50] <vish> i think thats where stuff gets messed up ;)
[08:55] <humphreybc> righto
[08:58] <humphreybc> anyone know how to use memoserv on IRC?
[08:59] <godbyk> Sure: /msg memoserv help
[08:59] <godbyk> :-)
[09:03] <om26er> how can I help the ubuntu manual project.
[09:07] <vish> om26er: have a look at > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual#Contributions
[09:15] <dutchie> hah, just missed him
[09:22] <dutchie> thorwil: you have been added :)
[09:22] <thorwil> ty!
[09:22] <dutchie> do you want a photo to go with your feed items?
[09:23] <thorwil> dutchie: nope
[09:23] <dutchie> no problem
[09:24] <dutchie> that's actually easier for me :)
[09:27] <thorwil> vish: got something to add/change about the agenda? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[09:27]  * vish checks
[09:28] <vish> seriously o.0 > " New to Ubuntu (10.04)? Read this!! "
[09:30] <thorwil> vish: i just added all the proposals ;)
[09:30] <thorwil> vish: an awful one can still get people to think
[09:30] <vish> the other one which wont work is > "Ubuntu (10.04): A Beginners Guide "
[09:31] <thorwil> vish: why? (will you be present on the meeting?)
[09:31] <vish> ^that plain wrong! its meaning the "Ubuntu" is a beginners guide :/
[09:32]  * vish will try to be present
[09:32] <vish> thorwil: the list is for "title" or for "catch phrases" ?
[09:33] <thorwil> vish: title and optionally also sub-title
[09:35] <thorwil> vish: true, it should rather be A Beginner's Guide to Ubuntu
[09:35] <vish> yeah...
[09:38] <thorwil> edited
[14:29] <thorwil> godbyk, vish: started to work on an A4 layout template: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/download/head%3A/layout_a4.svg-20100128134918-yenbpm0zvsr3vg5l-1/layout_a4.svg
[14:29]  * thorwil goes to work in the garden
[16:42] <koogee> hi, i'm having trouble with compiling the manual... following instructions on the wiki the 'make' process errors out...any help?
[17:04] <thorwil> koogee: chances that someone can help you increase if you provide the error message
[17:08] <koogee> its a lengthy log...how can i post the entire thing here...
[17:08] <thorwil> koogee: use a pastebin
[17:08] <thorwil> koogee: e.g. http://pastebin.com/
[17:10] <koogee> http://pastebin.com/m160f387d
[17:16] <thorwil> koogee: i guess that's a matter for godbyk, who might be around in a few hours (not sure what his timezone is)
[17:17] <koogee> okay...thanks for your help anyways...
[17:26] <koogee> http://pastebin.com/m160f387d


[00:12] <tenach> davkbod-ld, in the file manager go to View and near the bottom, select 'List'
[00:13] <davkbod-ld> Thanks, tenach!
[00:13] <tenach> you're welcome :D
[00:16] <davkbod-ld> One other quest..hopefully simple... Firefox wants me to subscribe to podcasts using their Live Bookmarks, or I can choose another application. Where are the "other applications" located? When I choose "other locations", it opens my home directory, not the directory where the applications are. (like Podder). Where are they hiding?
[00:17] <Unit193> You can just copy the URL and paste it in podder, but you can find where it is by typing   which podder  in a terminal.
[00:17] <davkbod-ld> cool, thanks!
[00:23] <tenach> :)
[01:41] <chrrrrr> hello, anybody help?
[01:43] <stlsaint> chrrrrr: yes
[01:44] <chrrrrr> thanks
[01:44] <chrrrrr> I wonna conpile chrome but I don`t next step
[01:44] <chrrrrr> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Build
[01:45] <chrrrrr> I`m doing about this page
[01:49] <chrrrrr> hello
[01:50] <JoseeAntonioR> Hello, chrrrrr
[01:50] <chrrrrr> Hello, Josee
[01:50] <chrrrrr> Do you know how to compile chrome?
[01:53] <chrrrrr> I`m 3rd day using ubuntu
[01:57] <JoseeAntonioR> chrrrrr: You mean, you want to install Google Chrome?
[01:58] <JoseeAntonioR> chrrrrr: You can go to https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/ to download and install it.
[01:59] <chrrrrr> Thanks but not to install, I wonna build and compile
[01:59] <chrrrrr> so using fakeroot and more
[02:00] <chrrrrr> Like this Instructions  bzr builddeb --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b'
[02:00] <JoseeAntonioR> chrrrrr: are there any specific reasons you want to compile and not just install chrome?
[02:01] <chrrrrr> Yes not just using my computer,
[02:01] <chrrrrr> It`s my work
[02:39] <chrrrrr> nobody to talk?
[02:55] <stlsaint> chrrrrr: still, why not use one from official google?
[02:57] <stlsaint> chrrrrr: also you wont be getting chrome source as chromium is the open source version of it so you get chromium
[02:57] <stlsaint> chrrrrr: http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/get-the-code
[15:56] <kav> hey  !
[15:56] <hobgoblin> hi - so what's the problem kav?
[15:57] <kav> i create a live usb
[15:57] <kav> intially i make it persistable
[15:57] <kav> of 2 gb
[15:58] <kav> now i make extend it to 8 gb by creating a csper-rw (of 3.7 gb )
[15:58] <kav> *casper-rw
[15:58] <kav> using gparted
[15:58] <kav> now , i don't know how to use this casper-rw
[15:58] <kav> : (
[15:59] <kav> i can even mount casper-rw
[16:00] <kav> but when i install a another  .deb package , it always install on my 1st 2GB part
[16:00] <kav> it don't use my casper-rw that i created
[16:00] <kav> can you help me
[16:01] <hobgoblin> I can try - give me a moment
[16:02] <kav> ok
[16:02] <kav> thanks in advance
[16:08] <kav> : |
[16:09] <hobgoblin> kav: when you resized it did you do it like this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent/#Method_0:_Automatically_create_Live_USB_system - read from where it says "To make the presistence larger ...
[16:09] <hobgoblin> and all that :| does is make people leave you alone or even leave the channel
[16:10] <hobgoblin> !patience | kav
[16:10] <ubot2> kav: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/
[16:10] <kav> i already make it large
[16:10] <kav> but i don't know is it working or not
[19:47] <designbybeck> A good resource for Ubuntu things Rull Circle Magazine: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-62/
[20:59] <nhandler> designbybeck: I think someone just uploaded that issue for the App Review Board to review
[21:06] <designbybeck> oh yeah? is it not in there? nhandler?
[21:22] <nhandler> designbybeck: I'm not sure (I don't run Ubuntu). But if it was just submitted for review, it will probably take a few days before it gets added
[21:25] <designbybeck> what do you run nhandler ?
[21:25] <nhandler> designbybeck: Debian sid/unstable
[21:25] <designbybeck> ah
[21:25] <designbybeck> what WM does it run
[21:26] <nhandler> designbybeck: Whatever you want. None by default
[21:27] <designbybeck> ah just cli?
[21:43] <nhandler> designbybeck: By default, yes. You can download a gnome or kde livecd if you want a desktop interface by default