[12:58] <[Cade] > Has anyone else noticed fonts suddenly being much smaller post-reboot?
[01:10] <XVampireX> Where can I see the changes going into gutsy gibbon?
[01:16] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/
[01:17] <crimsun> hint: there's a $release-changes list for each release
[01:19] <XVampireX> crimsun: I meant more of a launchpad style changes...
[01:21] <crimsun> XVampireX: please clarify.  Do you mean Launchpad changes or what?
[01:21] <XVampireX> I meant like in Feisty there was a roadmap kind of thing like for example a bulletproof X
[01:21] <XVampireX> and so on
[01:21] <XVampireX> general changes
[01:21] <XVampireX> not commits
[01:22] <crimsun> start here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/uds-sevilla/
[05:20] <XVampireX> Hey people, here's a suggestion, a graphical grub...
[05:24] <DarkMageZ> imagine grub with full 3d acceleration =D
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> oh yea
[05:38] <DarkMageZ> i will admit that grub currently looks really ugly and needs some loving. but maybe full 3d acceleration is overkill.
[05:39] <crdlb> that would be a really bad idea :)
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> ...3D accel in the grub menu?
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> icky
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> XVampireX: You can put a background pic on it.
[05:40] <DarkMageZ> a background pic doesn't make it pritty
[05:40] <DarkMageZ> it helps a little, but doesn't fix the real issue
[05:41] <DarkMageZ> have you seen what opensuse uses? that looks fairly pretty.
[05:41] <tonyyarusso> nope
[05:42] <tonyyarusso> then there's configuration - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/graphical-grub-config
[05:43] <DarkMageZ> completely unrelated that is...
[05:43] <XVampireX> see
[06:00] <poningru> !real
[06:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:14] <rizza> anyone involved with the installer
[06:19] <Toma-> theres no gutsy installer yet...
[06:21] <rizza> thats fine but will preseeding work and auto mode
[06:39] <ajmorris_> woot they just added lots to the gutsy gibbon repos
[08:44] <catid> anyone know of a replacement for File Roller that allows me to drag'n'drop files from the archive to extract them?
[09:03] <BHSPitMonkey> catid, file-roller should allow that.
[09:03] <BHSPitMonkey> it's fickle, though;  try dragging the file over the folder, wait for the progress bar in file-roller to finish, and then release.
[09:06] <catid> BHSPitMonkey: when i try to drag outside of the file roller frame it shows an (X) icon for "not able to extract here"
[09:07] <BHSPitMonkey> odd
[09:07] <catid> BHSPitMonkey: i remember it working a long time ago.. this is a fresh install
[09:07] <BHSPitMonkey> not sure then
[09:07] <RAOF> I think the behaviour of file-roller has been changed.
[09:07] <catid> file roller is kind of weak anyway.. if you can think of something more powerful..
[09:07] <RAOF> Rather than sometimes not working for no obvious reason, dragging now just totally dis-allowed
[09:08] <catid> oh RAOF i'm playing with LVM and have an issue with it perhaps you've fixed..  every time i boot it says there's some disk error and asks me to press CTRL+D to bypass the recovery console..  if i take the console and run fsck it still says there are problems next boot
[09:09] <RAOF> catid: That's an error I've *never* seen.
[09:09] <catid> =/
[09:09] <RAOF> It sounds more like it's a failure to cleanly unmount your mounts, rather than something directly LVM related
[09:10] <catid> okay i'll look out for that
[09:10] <crimsun> it's normally caused by hardware failure.  I see it consistently on Dell Inspirons.
[09:10] <RAOF> Awesome.  Nothing like broken hardware to brighten up a day
[09:10] <crimsun> you need to fsck -Cf /partition numerous times.
[09:11] <crimsun> it normally takes at least two passes.
[09:11] <catid> will try that too
[09:12] <catid> xarchiver doesn't let me drag outside either
[09:13] <RAOF> Don't think so.
[09:14] <RAOF> With the implicit "I", obviously.  You're welcome to think so :)
[09:14] <catid> oh aria2 is going to be a great download manager when they get a gui wrapped around it and FlashGot supports it.  it's the best, um, perhaps the only linux segmented downloader
[09:14] <catid> i did find another linux segmented downloader called wxDFast, but it crashes a lot..
[09:15] <catid> i appreciated it when downloading the feisty CD image
[09:15] <RAOF> Again, why not the bittorrent?
[09:15] <catid> oh nice
[09:16] <catid> segmented downloading is kind of implicit in bit torrent too
[09:16] <catid> aria2 has a built-in bt client
[09:16] <RAOF> Kinda explicit, really. :)
[09:16] <catid> heh ^_^
[09:17] <catid> i'll try bt next time for the iso images
[09:17] <catid> i'm used to bit torrent being really slow compared to usenet though
[09:17] <catid> so didn't think of it first
[09:18] <catid> if they have some decent seeds in the swarm for the iso images, then the pTCP-style segmented downloading will not be as good as bit torrent's segmented downloading
[09:46] <catid> system hangs when i try to software suspend with my own kernel.. getting a blinking capslock.  wonder if it works with the ubuntu kernel.. :)
[09:48] <catid> i tried it with a few different combinations of the suspend code.. suspend and suspend2, the ubuntu git head for suspending with other patches..
[09:49] <catid> with/without setting the default suspend device in .config
[09:50] <jussi01> catid: gutsy or feisty?
[09:52] <catid> jussi01: i tried gutsy too, mostly testing with feisty stuff
[09:52] <catid> hrm.. i tried the git gutsy kernel i mean
[09:52] <jussi01> catid: just this is thgutsy channel...
[09:52] <jussi01> :D
[09:52] <catid> using the feisty CD though
[09:52] <jussi01> anyway, got to run...
[09:53] <catid> later
[09:53] <catid> *shrugs* just talking to myself..  it's not going to get fixed until i take the time to decode the blinking error message
[10:12] <icecruncher> wil Kde 4 be in in Gutsy?
[10:12] <RAOF> Since it's release date is approximately the same as Gutsy's release date, probably not.
[10:13] <icecruncher> sob
[10:13] <ziroday> kde 4 looks awesome
[10:13] <Tomcat_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kde4-gutsy-plan <--- accepted for uds-sevilla... so at least it's being discussed.
[10:14] <RAOF> Cool.  Well, kinda.
[10:15] <RAOF> The Kubuntu team seem much more willing to track development, too.
[11:41] <tapas> ok, how do i alter my sources lst to get gutsy gibbons packages?
[11:42] <gortiz> insert gutsy where is feisty
[11:42] <tapas> [i suppose e.g. pidgin/gaim 2.0 wont appear in feisty right?
[11:42] <tapas> gortiz: ok
[11:42] <gortiz> tapas, don't know.. i'm not the mantainer..
[11:43] <tapas> doesn't ubuntu have a release policy that new packages only go into the next release?
[11:44] <gortiz> mhmm.. i really don't care.. i'm using the next release.. so i don't know.. -.- sorry!
[11:44] <tapas> ok
[11:44] <gortiz> but if i'm right, there is the backport repository to backport the software from the next release to the previous..
[11:44] <tapas> oh ok
[11:44] <jussi01> tapas: yea, your correct...
[11:45] <jussi01> the backports are community maintained though... not officially
[11:45] <tapas> ok
[11:45] <jussi01> jdong is the backport man...
[11:45] <jussi01> :D
[11:45] <tapas> i can try gutsy though on my box.. it's not really "production" atm
[11:46] <jussi01> tapas: I wouldnt recommend it right now
[11:46] <jussi01> wait a few weeks - at least until alpha...
[11:46] <tapas> hmm, or maybe i just instll pidgin from source..
[11:46] <tapas> [i need to port a plugin to it]
[11:46] <gortiz> yeah.. i suggest to use the sources..
[11:47] <jussi01> +1 on that from me
[11:48] <tapas> oh well.. :)
[11:48] <tapas> i'm also interesdted in the upstart development though. i might set up gutsy on a nother partition or so
[11:48] <jussi01> tapas: yeah, thats a good idea
[11:50] <gortiz> :)
[12:42] <ajmorris_> is it possible to get partial upgrade to work with feisty to gutsy?
[12:43] <ajmorris_> this error is what it comes up with : A upgrade from 'gutsy' to 'feisty' is not supoprted with this tool.
[12:53] <Tm_T> ajmorris_: you're sure you know what you're doing?
[12:54] <ajmorris_> Tm_T yes
[12:54] <Tm_T> so you know you're breaking your system totally, good
[12:54] <ajmorris_> i just want to know if a partial upgrade can be done for gutsy
[12:55] <Tm_T> it can be done for sure, but you end up to have big mess there
[12:56] <ajmorris_> i am not updating important files
[12:56] <Tm_T> but?
[12:56] <ajmorris_> just random things that i want the latest version for
[12:56] <ajmorris_> lol
[12:57] <Tm_T> let's say you take some gtk app -> it asks to upgrade gtk also -> all other gtk apps are trash now
[12:57] <Tm_T> see pattern here?
[12:57] <ajmorris_> yes
[12:57] <Tm_T> UNLESS you compile them yourself
[12:58] <Tm_T> just taking some apps in binary won't work (except in some rare cases)
[12:58] <Tm_T> I afraid
[12:59] <Tm_T> but feel free to take source package and use those
[01:01] <Tm_T> weird, no one disagree with me yet
[01:02] <ajmorris_> lol
[01:02] <ajmorris_> lots prolly AFK
[01:02] <Tm_T> exactly ;)
[06:08] <sivaji> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19298/
[06:09] <jussi01> sivaji: it is considered rude to ask the same question in multiple places! please dont...
[06:11] <sivaji> jussi01 nobody is answering thatis why
[06:12] <jussi01> sivaji: you cant just pastebin something and expect a reply. write what your problem is, and if someone can help you they will..
[06:13] <sivaji> ok


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[12:02] <mitya57> dholbach: "/usr/share/doc/ubuntu-packaging-guide-html/singlehtml/index.html does not have styling" — looks like a bug in dpkg,
[12:03] <dholbach> oh yeah?
[12:03] <mitya57> my changes make singlehtml/_images and _links be links to
[12:03] <mitya57> ../{_static,_images}
[12:04] <mitya57> the result is, when you install the new package, they are empty directories
[12:04] <mitya57> purging and re-installing the package fixes that
[12:04] <dholbach> hummmm
[12:04] <dholbach> ^ anyone ever experienced anything like this?
[12:05] <mitya57> the best thing I can do is revert all the packaging changes
[12:05] <mitya57> they weren't really needed for the search to work
[12:06] <dholbach> if that's easily possible and makes things work again, that might be useful
[12:06] <dholbach> thanks also for the typo and code-styling fixes
[12:06] <dholbach> it looks much better now than before
[12:06] <Zhenech> dpkg link handling needs special care
[12:06] <Zhenech> if you migrate from non-links to links
[12:07] <mitya57> yes, that was the case
[12:09] <mitya57> Zhenech: any documentation for what "special care" is needed?
[12:14] <Zhenech> mitya57, short google didnt yield what I wanted and at work currently
[12:14] <Zhenech> i bet you get good results in #debian-devel over in oftc :)
[12:16] <mitya57> OK, will now upload my branches and ask that
[12:21] <mitya57> dholbach: the new mp is at http://pad.lv/mps/ubuntu-packaging-guide
[12:21] <dholbach> mitya57, great
[12:24] <cjwatson> mitya57: dpkg will never replace a symlink with a directory or vice versa; if you want to do that then you must either remove the old symlink/directory in the preinst or fix up the state to what you want in the postinst
[12:24] <cjwatson> This is an intentional safety feature
[12:27] <mitya57> cjwatson: thanks, hm...
[12:29] <mitya57> dholbach: are localized versions supposed to be in separate packages?
[12:29] <dholbach> mitya57, yes
[12:30] <dholbach> otherwise they will very likely get too big
[12:30] <mitya57> dholbach: and will they depend on the non-localized one?
[12:30] <dholbach> no - the html/pdf text is generated during the build
[12:31] <mitya57> I mean that if they do depend, we can have one _static & _sources and link anything else there
[12:31] <dholbach> yes
[12:31] <dholbach> maybe the -html* packages should depend on a new -common package
[12:31] <dholbach> getting this right is not as easy as I thought
[12:31] <dholbach> but still I think it's worth the effort
[12:32] <mitya57> ok, so I'll wait until the localized packages are ready, and then try to do that using a way suggested by cjwatson
[12:33] <dholbach> can you explain what you mean by "until the localized packages are ready"?
[12:33] <mitya57> #LANGS = $(basename $(notdir $(wildcard $(PODIR)/*.po)))
[12:33] <dholbach> ah yes of course
[12:34] <dholbach> let me try something
[12:34] <mitya57> :)
[12:34] <mitya57> ah
[12:34] <mitya57> there's one more problem with dh_sphinxdoc
[12:35] <mitya57> it won't work well when there are two or more sphinx projects built
[12:35] <mitya57> so let's not use it at all :)
[12:36] <dholbach> ok, if we manually enable the languages in LANGS the -es packages look like they work
[12:36] <dholbach> impressive work by the translators
[12:37] <mitya57> though, we can mimic its behaviour by linking our {jquery,underscore,doctools,searchtools}.js files to the ones in libjs-sphinxdoc package
[12:37] <dholbach> do you think you can file a bug for it?
[12:37] <mitya57> I think I can do it :)
[12:38] <mitya57> s/do/implement/
[12:39] <mitya57> dholbach: btw, should the -epub package really depend on jquery & underscore?
[12:39] <dholbach> mitya57, to be honest, I don't know
[12:39] <mitya57> does asomething know?
[12:42] <mitya57> hm, when trying to "make epub", I get 5 warnings
[12:42] <mitya57> "WARNING: unknown mimetype for _static/*.js, ignoring"
[12:43] <dholbach> hm
[12:44] <mitya57> ah, it seems that epub is something like an archive with html/js/... inside
[13:00] <mitya57> dholbach: lp:~mitya57/ubuntu-packaging-guide/use-libjs-sphinxdoc -- something like this
[13:00] <mitya57> I don't have time to test that now, maybe will do that in the evening and propose the merge
[13:01] <dholbach> ok, I'll have a look
[15:26] <mitya57> dholbach: I'm back with a question: debian/rules uses $DEBIANDIR, but that's not defined for me
[15:26] <mitya57> can I do s/$$DEBIANDIR/debian/ there?
[15:27] <dholbach> mitya57, I don't know - I didn't write all of the code
[15:27] <dholbach> and I will have to run for a call in a bit
[15:28] <mitya57> I will do that — I think it's safe
[15:28] <dholbach> mitya57, but I had noticed that you were missing a 'done' in your debian/rules snippet
[15:28] <mitya57> dholbach: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mitya57/ubuntu-packaging-guide/use-libjs-sphinxdoc/revision/184
[15:28] <mitya57> "add a closing done"
[15:29] <dholbach> perfect :)
[15:29] <dholbach> as I said - I'll take a look at it later on
[15:59] <jtaylor> universe is still open or?
[15:59] <Laney> yeah
[15:59] <Laney> ffe vanishingly unlikely thoughj
[19:20] <micahg> ajmitch: congrats on being reARBd
[19:25] <ajmitch> micahg: lucky me?
[19:25] <micahg> ajmitch: gives you an excuse why you're not uploading to the main archive :P
[19:25] <iulian> ajmitch: Congratulations!
[19:34] <ajmitch> micahg: yeah I'll run with that excuse
[19:35] <ScottK> That and we aren't bumping boost versions, so nothing to do.
[19:35] <ajmitch> sounds good to me, I'll head back to sleep
[19:36] <micahg> ScottK: oh, are we staying with boost 1.49 for R?
[19:38] <ScottK> I would assume so.
[19:38] <ScottK> Generally getting ahead of Debian is a bad idea.
[19:38] <ScottK> We should ship the newest that's packaged, but not make it the one we use in packages.
[19:41] <ajmitch> & then generally run into co-installability problems if some library needs a newer version of boost
[19:41] <ajmitch> it ends up a little bit of a mess, but that's to be expected
[19:43] <ScottK> Much better than trying to fix stacks of FTBFS due to API/ABI changes in the newer boost.
[19:43] <ScottK> xnox: ^^^ make sense to you?
[19:43] <ajmitch> especially if it's updated after feature freeze :)
[19:44] <ScottK> Sid has 1.50, so we should get that, but leave it in Universe.
[19:47] <micahg> !info boost1.50 quantal
[19:48] <ajmitch> quick! get it synced! :)
[19:48] <micahg> !info libboost1.50-dev quantal
[19:48] <ajmitch> ok, so it just doesn't show the source package
[19:49] <ScottK>  boost1.50 |   1.50.0-1 | quantal/universe | source
[19:49] <ScottK> So no change, really. (there's a -2 in Sid)
[19:49] <micahg> looks like we'll get libav 9 in R
[19:50] <ajmitch> how much breakage is there with that one?
[19:50] <micahg> lots of internal APIs becoming private


[15:35] <PaulW2U> pleia2: What's happening with this week's UWN? A few summaries still to be written, nothing transferred to the wiki and publication due in 8 hours or so. </confused>
[16:26] <pleia2> PaulW2U: was really busy yesterday and had hoped more summaries would come in, so we're running a bit late
[16:29]  * pleia2 finally has her husband home! ...now goes off on her own trip thursday
[17:02] <pleia2> :(
[17:03] <pleia2> Unit193: can you link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue371
[18:24] <Unit193> pleia2: Looks good.
[18:24] <pleia2> thanks
[21:03] <pleia2> if I can get some editing eyes on this before I publish I'd appreciate it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue371
[21:03] <pleia2> probably will hold off publishing for several hours


[00:00] <Unit193> It's been hung at Keyboard config for a very long time...
[00:01] <charlie-tca> Then it broke
[00:01] <charlie-tca> force restart or shutdown
[00:02] <Unit193> Restarting the install won't help?
[00:02] <charlie-tca> not that I recall. I think if you don't restart, it will hang again
[00:02] <charlie-tca> isn't it in VBox?
[00:03] <charlie-tca> click the close button, check "power down"
[00:04] <Unit193> Bad wording... The alt cd is borked? Or just user/luck error?
[00:05] <charlie-tca> bad luck. I would try the cd again, to verify it wasn't just a one-time glitch
[03:01] <Unit193> charlie-tca still isn't back yet...
[14:11] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:12] <charlie-tca> We broke the live cd's today
[14:12] <charlie-tca> lightDM won't quite work yet with the live desktop login
[14:23] <charlie-tca> kernel panic
[14:24] <charlie-tca> wheeee!
[14:25] <charlie-tca> Unit193: did you see the bit about the live cd today?
[15:11] <charlie-tca> live cd sessions are bad. There is no xubuntu session, even though it is a choice. It always goes to xfce session. We can choose the user, choose the session, then click login.
[15:29] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: When you have time, I want to learn how to pull the lightdm stuff and add / fix it for us and put it where you can add it back.
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Where are the desktop wallpapers in Xubuntu?
[16:28] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: I pushed the changes from micahg this morning
[16:29] <mr_pouit> so lightdm should already be there, and no gdm anymore
[16:33] <mr_pouit> desktop wallpapers are in /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops I think
[16:33] <mr_pouit> sometimes /usr/share/backgrounds, it depends
[17:10] <astraljava> Hi guys, my turn to do the 32-bit tests?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: yes, lightdm is there, but we have to now set it up to auto-login and run a xubuntu session.
[17:21] <charlie-tca> It only runs an xfce session now
[17:21] <charlie-tca> a
[17:22] <charlie-tca> astraljava: sure, can you do 64bit alternate, manual partitioning today?
[17:22] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Unfortunately not, as I only have one hard disk on my only 64-bit machine. :(
[17:23] <charlie-tca> If you saw my email to xubuntu-devel, you can try the 32bit whole disk install
[17:23] <charlie-tca> with live cd
[17:23] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Well, unless I do it virtually.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> but it is a bit of a hassel using the live cd today.
[17:23] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sorry, I forgot to sign up for the mailing lists. Will do it now.
[17:23] <charlie-tca> no problem
[17:24] <charlie-tca> want me to send it to ubuntustudio-devel ml?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> or what is it called?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> If i join yours, I can send the messages to both that applky
[17:25] <charlie-tca> apply, and you don't all have to subscribe to our ML
[17:25] <astraljava> charlie-tca: That's alright, I can check up the archives.
[17:25] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I did it already. :)
[17:25] <charlie-tca> great
[17:25] <charlie-tca> I will catch the 64bit tests then
[17:26] <astraljava> Okay then. :)
[17:37] <astraljava> Gah! Must get a new system. This AMD64 3000+ almost dies while creating the usb boot stick. :-/
[17:37] <charlie-tca> heh, and mine is only an AMD64 2200
[17:37] <astraljava> load average: 6.13, 5.18, 2.99
[17:38] <charlie-tca> That's high
[17:38] <charlie-tca> load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[17:39] <astraljava> Yep, that's what it's normally for me too. This was during the operation.
[17:39] <charlie-tca> with the main system running, firefox with 27 open tabs, xchat, geany, and a VBox machine
[17:40] <charlie-tca> I have never been able to get the load average above 1.5 even when I get three VBox machines installing at one time
[17:41] <astraljava> Almost similarly to mine, except switch firefox to chrome, xchat to 5 irssi-screen-ssh sessions and 1 centerim-screen-ssh and 1 mutt-ssh session. What does geany do?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> oh, I forget those ssh-fuse mounts completely. I mount 8 folders with it
[17:41] <astraljava> Yeah, either there's something seriously wrong with the usb bus, or there's a bug somewhere.
[17:41] <charlie-tca> geany is an editor, much more advanced than mousepad, and less gnome then gedit
[17:42] <astraljava> Ahh... that's right.
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I am learning how to use it.
[17:43] <charlie-tca> it is probably way more than I need, but since it works at least as good as gedit for me, I will learn
[17:46] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: thanks for the pointer on the wallpaper.
[17:48] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Good to check other editors every once in a while, even though not ending up using them regularly, might pick up on some cool tricks.
[17:49] <astraljava> live doesn't seem to take me to the desktop, just shows the background image with a mouse pointer. Will do a reboot.
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I got a login at least. then it does go to the desktop for me
[17:50] <charlie-tca> You remembered to pick a session?
[17:50] <astraljava> Ahhh... sorry, was misleading. I did get the login too.
[17:50] <astraljava> Err... sorry, I must have taken the "Install Xubuntu" option.
[17:50] <charlie-tca> that fails today
[17:50] <astraljava> I'll try again with "Try Xubuntu without installing" option now.
[17:50] <charlie-tca> although it does go to the login screen for some reason
[17:50] <astraljava> Right, yeah that's weird.
[17:51] <charlie-tca> and you can not restart from there, either
[17:51] <charlie-tca> probably have to do the power off thing
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Maybe I should be doing my changes in VBox instead of my live system. It keeps breaking it.
[17:58] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Nah, VT2 worked, did `sudo reboot'. However, that option gives me the same thing as the former.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> wait and try again tomorrow, then.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> I will try here and see what I get
[17:59] <charlie-tca> Are you on hardware or VBox?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> astraljava: which background image? xubuntu wallpaper or Ubuntu login?
[18:01] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I got it all
[18:02] <charlie-tca> all? the desktop?
[18:02] <Unit193> LightDM worked for me yesterday...
[18:02] <Unit193> All the info
[18:02] <charlie-tca> I got that. Today we threw lightdm as default login manager, completely replaced GDM.
[18:02] <charlie-tca> It is much more fun now ;-)
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Unit193: see my email today to the xubuntu-devel ML
[18:03] <knome> pleia2, ?
[18:04] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Read it. Manual install works but seed doesn't?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> no, autologin fails
[18:05] <charlie-tca> you have manually log in to get the desktop
[18:05] <charlie-tca> and if you don't it exactly the way I outlined, it fails
[18:06] <Unit193> I understand this. I was asking something else...
[18:06] <charlie-tca> What do you mean seed doesn't?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> expand please
[18:07] <Unit193> You removed GDM on the CD for today and added LightDM. I installed LightDM yesterday (In VM, apt-get) and it seemed to work, what's different?
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Oh, it is there by default now. You no longer have GDM at all
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It works, but it doesn't autolog
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It does not automatically go the live desktop now
[18:08] <charlie-tca> but astraljava was not even able to get to the desktop
[18:09] <astraljava> charlie-tca: This is hardware. It's the purple-ish with some reflections etc.
[18:09] <charlie-tca> That's the lightdm background
[18:09] <charlie-tca> I get through that to the Xfce session desktop in VBox, will have to try in hardware.
[18:10] <charlie-tca> It suspect an issue with the video card/video buffer, but we will give it a day or two to settle down
[18:11] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Alright then.
[18:11] <astraljava> I will try to debug my sound card issue then. :)
[18:12] <charlie-tca> one of those, too? ;-(
[18:13] <astraljava> Which just resolved itself.
[18:13] <astraljava> And again, I have no idea why, how, and what to do to reproduce the solution.
[18:15] <charlie-tca> doesn't that make debugging harder?
[18:16] <astraljava> Sorta does.
[18:17] <astraljava> It's the ICE958 S/PDIF issue. Whenever I use digital in, the master clock will get stuck on S/PDIF, and I cannot use other audio applications for playback.
[18:17] <astraljava> The first time when it happened on Natty I was able to get it back by tweaking alsamixer to all possible positions, but now the second time I was unable to.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> weird
[18:18] <astraljava> Someone told me to get some other input, which at first didn't make any difference.
[18:18] <astraljava> Now, it just suddenly decided "Oh yay, I think he wants me to do something else today!"
[18:18] <astraljava> And suddenly, it's possible again.
[18:18] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:18] <charlie-tca> I hate those type of things
[18:19] <charlie-tca> It just makes it so much harder to solve when it does happen again
[18:25] <astraljava> Exactly.
[18:34] <astraljava> Well, I will have to use this machine for recording only once I get another multimedia machine for living room stereos.
[18:35] <charlie-tca> That'll teach it to behave
[18:36] <astraljava> Yep. :)
[18:36] <astraljava> Though, to be honest, I do need to upgrade this one anyway, too. Might get another sound card as well.
[21:49] <charlie-tca> finally, I got my computer to work again
[21:51] <Unit193> Congrats! How is Oneiric? Did I need to do any testing? (With the failing that is)
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Not unless you really want to fight with it
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Testing at this stage requires knowing how to fix what breaks, since you can't really access anything when it breaks.
[22:03] <charlie-tca> That is all I been doing for two hours, trying to get Oneiric to login again
[22:03] <charlie-tca> and yes, it is lightDM
[22:04] <Unit193> I had it working yesterday...
[22:04] <charlie-tca> yeah, that was then
[22:04] <Unit193> I understand things break from day to day
[22:05] <charlie-tca> We try to change a lot of stuff daily, to see if it will keep working
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Probably doesn't help that I modified the lightdm files, too
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Unit193: are you using lightdm now?
[22:08] <Unit193> Not on the main computer...
[22:08] <charlie-tca> aw, com'n
[22:08] <charlie-tca> what fun is testing if it doesn't break the main computer?
[22:09] <Unit193> I already have issues with Natty on it... (Have to randomly reboot it because of screen lockups!)
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah, testing Oneiric does require a backup machine, too. When the main system really won't work, you use the backup system
[22:10] <charlie-tca> that's gonna get worse, too. I read the ati driver will have to be 915 or higher now
[22:10] <charlie-tca> also trying to stay with nvidia 04 and above, if possible, for best results.
[22:10] <charlie-tca> no, intel has to -915 now
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Can't even file bugs for less then that in launchpad
[22:12] <Unit193> That's crap
[22:12] <charlie-tca> ATI hasn't been determined yet, I guess. It has to use radeon or fglrx
[22:13] <charlie-tca> no, that's progress
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Intel dropped support for less than -915 almost a year ago
[22:15] <Unit193> But you should dump working computers just because they are old?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> no, you should find something that works on them, if possible.
[22:16] <Unit193> product: 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device |  configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[22:16] <charlie-tca> I still got a working 386 here
[22:16] <Unit193> If I read that correct, I'll be fine?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> That makes it. -915
[22:57] <Unit193> Sweet! I just did all updates and I still get the normal Xubuntu session! (Updated from yesterday when I installed LightDM)
[23:57] <charlie-tca> that's the way it should work!
[23:57] <charlie-tca> Now to make the live cd do that...
[23:58] <iHaku> Do what, exactly?


[12:25] <xerosis_> lontra: it's in ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash
[12:29] <jjesse> oh y
[12:30] <DaSkreech> I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the KDE has a Fast Shut down Keybind?
[12:33] <stdin> DaSkreech: apparently it's: Alt+Ctrl+Shift+PageDown to shotdown without conformation (PageUp for reboot)
[12:35] <DaSkreech> HOw the blazes did I hit that by accident trying to press alt+Ctrl+A?
[12:36] <stdin> no clue :p tho it may be set different for you
[12:37] <DaSkreech> Alt+Ctrl+Shift+S
[12:38] <stdin> you could have hit shift while hitting ctrl and s instred of a
[12:43] <jjesse> wow lots of bugs being reported on #ubuntu-bugs
[12:43] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[12:54] <jjesse> wow connection keeps dropping
[12:58] <ScottK> Well get busy.  Fix something.
[01:06] <Riddell> seele: :)
[01:16] <seele> Riddell: well im glad someone is up to appreciate my humor
[01:16] <seele> its a little out of wack these days.. ALMOST done with my thesis (which is due tomorrow)
[01:17] <seele> and harry potter 7 is out at midnight!  i have to be done before then
[01:17] <seele> because once i have it, there's no turning back until i finish
[01:27] <Riddell> you're so backwards, it's been out for half an hour :)
[01:28] <Riddell> the supermarket round the corner had said they would be open but they weren't and a huddle of English people were stuck out in the rain, bless
[01:37] <seele> lol
[01:37] <seele> i have to wait until midnight.. but all the parties start at 2130
[01:38] <seele> i cant imagine so many kids staying up that late, but then again, there will probably be just as many adults
[01:43] <ScottK> We're about to leave here to go to dinner and then to on of the parties.
[02:39] <jjesse> so anyone from england done with harry 7?
[02:40] <jdong> harry dies!
[02:40] <jdong> lol
[02:40] <jjesse> its a bummer because according to uPS my copy went out to delivery at 10:30am, but when I got home from work it wasn't there :(
[02:41] <jdong> jjesse: ups sucks at that
[02:41] <jdong> I had a parcel leave a 6:30AM and arrive at 5PM
[02:42] <jjesse> that does suck, i hope it shows up tomorrow then cause i wil lbe pissed if it doesn't
[02:42] <jjesse> well not really pissed but at least upset
[02:42] <jdong> well, hope you enjoy it when you get it!
[02:43] <jjesse> are you a fan?
[02:43] <jdong> though most of my friends are into it
[02:43] <jdong> and most are on a 99.5% media withdraw right now
[02:43] <jjesse> my wife and i are as well
[02:43] <jdong> ah :)
[02:43] <jjesse> have the blogs i read i stay away from
[02:44] <jdong> yeah
[02:44] <jdong> slashdot, digg....
[02:44] <jdong> especially digg
[02:44] <jdong> people are randomly pasting potter pages into comments for articles
[02:44] <jjesse> i read less and less of slashdot therse days
[02:44] <jdong> slashdot.. .arbitrary articles gained like harrydies tags or *dies tags
[02:45] <jjesse> that sucks
[02:45] <jjesse> brb desert time
[02:45] <jdong> yeah, enjoy though
[02:46] <seele> jdong: i was never in to it until this past spring when i read the first two books on a very long flight (to and from, not the same flight)
[02:47] <seele> jdong: then i got caught up in the fandom.  i liked the movies ok, but not enough to read the books.  after i read the first 6 books i rewatched all the movies :)
[03:00] <jjesse> i didn't like the last movie as well as the book
[03:00] <jjesse> so much is left out
[03:15] <jjesse> does the 64 bit image only work on AMD chips? or can i run it on my Intel Centrino which is capable of 64 bit?
[03:18] <nixternal> yes
[03:18] <nixternal> you can run it on your centrino
[03:18] <jjesse> then it needs to be relabed
[03:18] <jjesse> relabeled
[03:19] <nixternal> why?
[03:19] <nixternal> amd64 is what it is
[03:19] <nixternal> hehe
[03:19] <jjesse> it should be 64 bit then
[03:19] <nixternal> I had the same argument until someone explained the architectures to me
[03:19] <jjesse> if it can run on both intel and amd 64 bit machines
[03:19] <jjesse> ok explain it to me then
[03:20] <nixternal> I can't remember what the Intel 64bit stuff is called off hand
[03:21] <nixternal> and I am the wrong person to explain it..something about it being the same 64bit architecture, however the differences come in the chipsets or what not...that is why some Intel chipsets can be a pain with the 64bit discs
[03:21] <jjesse> hmm interesting
[03:21] <jjesse> btw have you used the vpn portion of knetworkmanager at all?
[03:21] <nixternal> no I haven't
[03:22] <nixternal> I haven't used VPN in a super long time
[03:22] <nixternal> probably the 90s
[03:22] <jjesse> hmm wondering if i could use it to connect to my coporate cisco vpn
[03:22] <jjesse> right now i fire up windows xp vm and then cisco vpn and finally outlook
[03:22] <nixternal> well, you are supposed to be able to do so
[03:23] <nixternal> man, this turkey bacon and eggs is not playing nice with my body right now
[03:23] <jjesse> bummer
[03:24] <jjesse> btw wife and i will be in chi-town on monday
[03:24] <nixternal> for how long?
[03:24] <jjesse> i have a meeting from 11:30-1pm on West Washington
[03:24] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:24] <nixternal> so you are just coming in for the meeting and heading out?
[03:24] <jjesse> probabvlly, might see some of the city if we feel like it
[03:24] <nixternal> do you have to work on wednesday?
[03:25] <nixternal> wow, tuesday rather
[03:25] <jjesse> yes on tuesday
[03:25] <nixternal> I have no clue where wednesday came from
[03:25] <nixternal> ahh, so you don't want to stick around to late then
[03:25] <nixternal> as long as you get out of the city by 4pm, you should be OK
[03:27] <nixternal> hrmm, so I take it Ubuntu live starts this week?
[03:27] <jjesse> that's what we are planning on
[03:42] <jjesse> thats' disappoint gutsy doesn't detect my wireless card
[04:11] <DaSkreech> Hmm I should test that
[04:18] <manchicken> I'm gonna do some adept (or possibly some other) bugs this weekend hopefully.  Does anybody have any preferences?
[04:19] <manchicken> jjesse: What wireless card do you have?
[04:21] <jjesse> intel vsomething
[04:21] <jjesse> don't remember off the top of my head, but heading to bed
[05:01] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Cool
[05:01] <DaSkreech> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/18/removing-kde-icons-in-gnome-remove-gnome-icons-in-kde/
[05:26] <seele> does adept keep a log of changes/updates?
[05:26] <seele> some driver or hardware config file got changed and a device is showing up as ttyUSB0 instead of ttyACM0, but I dont remember what i updated
[05:27] <seele> (it screwed up a script i had running :( )
[05:31] <DaSkreech> it should
[06:44] <manchicken> seele: That'd be a nice feature, but I think it would be necessary for apt to keep it first.  I don't know if it does to be quite honest.
[06:45] <manchicken> Ooh, I've got a juicy kontact/kmail crash with -dbg packages for a bug report.
[06:46] <DaSkreech> manchicken: I'm sure it does
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Well Dpkg I think
[06:47] <DaSkreech> I've looked over the history of my last two weeks of installs before
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Lord knows I don't remember how I did it now :)
[06:52] <manchicken> Yeah.
[06:52] <manchicken> It wouldn't surprise me.
[07:19] <nixternal> OK, who is going to package QScintilla v2 and eric 4? ;p
[07:19] <scotty> What's a good KDE program with syntax highlighting and the like for basic web development?
[07:21] <nixternal> Kate
[07:21] <scotty> I use Kate now.
[07:21] <manchicken> kate
[07:22] <nixternal> hehe
[07:22] <manchicken> kate is an excellent program for that.
[07:22] <scotty> Eh, okay.
[07:22] <manchicken> quanta+ is okay, too, but it's a little less stable and it is essentially the same as kate.
[07:22] <manchicken> Just with some more web-centric features.
[07:24] <scotty> kk
[02:15] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:27] <manchicken> Is the kdesudo package in binary new still?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i'd say it's not even uploaded yet
[02:31] <manchicken> Hmm... kiosktool depends on that package, and there's no candidate version yet.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> er, taht should be a depend on kdesu, not kdesudo
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hiya ScottK
[04:29] <ScottK> Hello Hobbsee.
[04:29] <ScottK> That was a network hiccup before, but I'm actually (sort of) awake now.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> woo!
[04:31] <ScottK> Cool - Two solid reasons to avoid studying.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ScottK: exactly
[04:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: read it again? Wow. I would never do that :o)
[04:49] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:49] <Hobbsee> mhb: btw - yes, people do take breaks occasionally
[04:50] <Hobbsee> and for people that spend far too much time on ubuntu, yes it's a big deal.
[04:50] <mhb> Hobbsee: oh sure, do take a break :o)
[04:51] <mhb> Hobbsee: it is just that I seldom read a book twice. It is not that fun knowing what happens.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> you're just crazy, then :)
[04:55] <TheInfinity> hmm ... is it ok when the gutsy kubuntu networkmanager does not show the subnet mask // a wrong subnet mask? or with other words - bug known? :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: check on launchpad
[05:05] <TheInfinity> hmm .. and another question ... does anybody run HFS+ volumes here?
[05:05] <TheInfinity> because i dont know its a mistake from me or a bug
[05:46] <nixternal> mornin'
[05:47] <jjesse_> morning, mail showed up w/ new harry potter book, now the fight is on between my wife and i as to who reads it first
[05:48] <nixternal> hehe
[05:48] <nixternal> hide it
[05:49] <Hobbsee> morning nixternal!
[05:51] <nixternal> yay
[05:51] <nixternal> movies!
[05:51] <Hobbsee> you deprived person.
[05:52] <jjesse_> nixternal: i might be teaching anothe week course in chicago i september if it doesn't get canceled
[05:52] <nixternal> not deprived..just smart...everyone who reads that stuff and watches the movies seem to get addicted to it
[05:52] <TheInfinity> theres better fantasy on the market ;)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: dunno why you're near ubuntu development then
[05:52] <Hobbsee> TheInfinity: never!
[05:52] <nixternal> Hobbsee: because I got addicted!
[05:52] <nixternal> I fell into your trap
[05:52] <nixternal> ;p
[05:53] <TheInfinity> i read the beginning of book one
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :P
[05:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you'll have to follow laserjock's guide one day, probably :P
[05:53] <TheInfinity> and it was so full of plates ... bua
[05:53] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I hope not
[05:55] <mhb> it is enjoyable, but not necessarily ultra addictive
[05:55] <mhb> jjesse_: I have a bad news for you. The ending is not so good.
[05:56] <nixternal> hahahaha
[05:56] <nixternal> spoiler alert!
[05:56] <mhb> no, no spoilers
[05:56] <mhb> I wont tell anything, I am not that evil :o)
[05:56] <nixternal> muhehehe
[05:56] <nixternal> mhb: you aren't evil yet! hang around Hobbsee for a little bit more and soon you will be..I was an angel until I met her ;)
[05:57] <mhb> I just wanted to say I was disappointed by the ending... jjesse_ will find out what I mean when he gets there :o)
[05:57] <jjesse> mhb: thanks i guess... i have to wiat to get to the ending as we are sharing one copy
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:58] <mhb> jjesse: I will be happy to hear your opinion once you get there :o)
[05:59] <nixternal> lol
[05:59] <nixternal> see...man that evilness just rubbed off on me...now I am going to go stab something...subliminal
[06:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's one of the tricks of the trade of being an FBI agent.
[06:24] <nixternal> haha


[04:10] <Fezzler> rakarrack user?
[04:12] <holstein> w00t
[04:12] <holstein> Fezzler: you get it sorted?
[04:12] <Fezzler> holstein>> no
[04:13] <Fezzler> holstein>> I saw something on line about a special build for jackd
[04:13] <Fezzler> holstein>> but my jackd works
[04:13] <Fezzler> holstein>> funny, the syth rakarrack is based on works
[04:14] <Fezzler> holstein>> I've reinstalled it...nothing
[04:14] <holstein> Fezzler: just for S&G's
[04:14] <holstein> are you running the ubuntustudio theme?
[04:15] <Fezzler> theme?
[04:15] <Fezzler> holstein>> no, I don't think so
[04:15] <holstein> ok
[04:15] <holstein> NM then
[04:16] <holstein> lets see what the OSMP folk say
[11:58] <ronj> Hi, I just tested today's iso and it seems it fails to create the user directory. I used "use entire disk" and "setup encrypted home". Reading the contents of the disk by booting a livecd, it seems /home is empty (no "ronj" folder, no ".ecryptfs" folder). Don't know if it's specific to an ecryptfs setup or if it is also the case with a standard install, will do the test this evening
[12:00] <ronj> if anyone has the time to do it today, by all means please do so and report on the mailing list if you find something bad
[12:00] <ronj> ... release is approaching...


[00:00] <phillw> thankfully the rules are set in tablets of stone :)
[00:00] <phillw> *are not*
[00:01] <knome> lol
[00:01] <knome> mostly, i think they should.
[00:01] <phillw> It was an exceptional case, and was treated as such.
[00:01] <knome> but single-flavor affecting stuff should get more slack than something that changes the core for everybody
[00:02] <phillw> It's a shame in some ways, as the -4 iso forced the alternate to actually use the ISO instead of ignoring it and then download everything from the internet.
[00:03] <knome> heh.
[00:04] <phillw> I still do not understand why the installer goes to the internet to get the files, instead of using what is on the ISO.
[00:06] <knome> language support i suppose
[00:07] <phillw> then why have the data on the ISO? we may as well just have netboot / mini iso ?
[00:08] <knome> i'm not saying it's ideal to download stuff while installing, but it's not a hard requirement
[00:08] <knome> the installer is downloading stuff you would most probably appreciate anywya
[00:08] <knome> *anyway
[00:09] <phillw> well, possibly not if you are installing several machines... and your internet usage is either slow or capped.
[00:11] <phillw> as the ISO's have all gone over size (CD Size), I really do not understand this state of affairs....
[00:13] <phillw> one thing the bug in -4 showed, is that not having a connection does not stop the install. It just forces it to use the ISO, the result is a fully working system.
[00:17] <knome> phillw, it won't be exactly same, but basically yes
[00:18] <phillw> Oh, it will need what ever updates there are; but as a milestone is passed as fit to install I just don't "get it".
[00:18] <knome> you probably shouldn't worry too much about it :)
[00:20] <phillw> knome: I do as my b/band link is 700Kb/s on a good day, which means a test installation will take ~ 1.5 hours. This is AFTER I've taken the time to zsync up the ISO I want to test.
[00:20] <knome> phillw, you should set up an apt proxy
[00:20] <phillw> on my laptop?
[00:21] <knome> ;)=
[00:21] <knome> don't know
[00:21] <phillw> when I'm doing an install to a 'new' partition . VM? :D
[00:22] <knome> besides, 700kb/s is pretty much around what i have
[00:23] <knome> well i probably have 850'ish regularly, but 700 would be pretty much as good
[00:23] <phillw> that is on a good day... when zsync'ing up, it can drop to 40 Kb/s and even times out and restarts... thankfully zsync doesn't give up!
[00:23] <knome> mmh, that's worse
[00:24] <knome> you could just turn off the networking from you VM
[00:25] <phillw> then it would require a manual install of the network. Not an ideal situation I'm sure you would agree
[00:25] <knome> well the question is do you need the network for ISO testing?
[00:26] <phillw> to say that the system has installed and is alive, I'd say so.
[00:27] <phillw> I always launch the browser to check it can say 'hello' to the world and also do an apt-get update to check the repos are there.
[00:27] <knome> mhm
[00:27] <knome> so in that case, does it really hurt that the installer pokes internet before :P
[00:28] <phillw> it hurts when it decides to take 1.5 hours to download all the files that are on the ISO, yes.
[00:28] <knome> ugh
[00:28] <knome> that's a bug, it shouldn't download everything
[00:28] <phillw> 769 files last time I looked... that's about a full ISO
[00:30] <knome> huh
[00:30] <knome> something wrong with your ISO then.
[00:30] <phillw> BUT, I did notice that todays alternate for amd64 did go on really quickly (I had gone off to watch Star Gate)
[00:30] <knome> heh
[00:31] <phillw> they all get md5'd by zsync :D
[00:32] <phillw> I'll have a play tomorrow, I'll also zsync up the desktop image to see how it gets on.
[00:33] <knome> good luck :)
[00:35] <phillw> oh, it's not too bad, my desktop ISO is only 4 days old. New kernel should take about 45 mins to get
[00:35] <knome> heh
[00:37] <phillw> Target 80.4% complete yup, about 45 mins :)
[00:38] <phillw> about 60 Kb/s
[00:40] <phillw> knome: my mirror for xubuntu has been updated (as have all the other flavours I keep). http://phillw.net/isos/
[00:40] <knome> ta
[00:41] <phillw> unit runs the script, one day he'll tell me how to use it :P
[00:41] <knome> heh
[00:41] <knome> or not ;)
[00:41] <phillw> s/unit/unit193
[00:43] <wxl> phillw: sed: -e expression #1, char 16: unterminated `s' command
[00:44] <wxl> '_
[00:44] <wxl> er ;)
[00:45] <phillw> wxl: beware of making jokes about the lubuntu humanoid :D
[00:45] <wxl> heheh
[00:46] <phillw> wxl: so, fantastic news for PPC.... I'm still a bit stunned.
[00:46] <wxl> phillw: still kind of under the rock here; just peeking up for once; what did i miss/
[00:47] <phillw> wxl: we were informed that PPC would not work in A2, the next day I was informed that for the 1st time since just before A1 it actually did!
[00:47] <wxl> phillw: that is fantastic!
[00:48] <phillw> not only that, but the recursive bug seems to have gone :D
[00:48] <wxl> wow!
[00:49] <phillw> We are now on a completely new kernel, and as the issues were kernel related, they seem to have been resolved.
[00:49] <wxl> oh wow!!!
[00:50] <wxl> maybe i'll give it a go this weekend!
[00:50] <phillw> I have asked via the mailing list that people do so and report back to it.
[00:51] <phillw> anyways, I hope you are keeping well?
[00:51] <wxl> yeah just busy
[00:51] <wxl> speaking of which, gotta jet
[00:52] <phillw> kk
[00:55] <phillw> knome: we have some some "happy campers" for PPC, most of it got broken about A1 13.04, they found a workaround. when it happened in 13.10 they could not. And now, with the new kernel revision it is alive. I'm so, so pleased for those guys. They have put up with so much and battled to keep a PPC version alive.
[00:56] <knome> definitely :)
[00:56] <phillw> heck, they even sneaked out a kubuntu ppc release last time :D
[00:56] <knome> lol
[00:58] <phillw> the PPC testers are not just lubuntu, as with all of the gang, they will go where needed once having completed their 'home' tasks,
[00:59] <knome> i'm personally not interested about the PPC builds but if people want to do that with xubuntu, i'm fine with it (as long as it also doesn't take all of our developer-time)
[00:59] <phillw> I'd have dived in for xubuntu, but was battling with bug 1204005 which really slowed me down as I was trying to find out what the heck had gone wrong.
[00:59] <knome> hmm
[01:01] <phillw> I was faced with a kernel panic and system freeze. there's really not a lot you can do in such instances.
[01:02] <phillw> thankfully, it is self assigned to a member of the kernel team :)
[01:03] <knome> that's good
[01:04] <phillw> well, we do use kvm for self testing. It is an integral part of the kernel.
[01:06] <phillw> we == ubuntu == canonical
[01:06] <knome> heh
[01:06] <knome> weird thinking there...
[01:06] <phillw> ?
[01:07] <knome> we == canonical :P
[01:08] <phillw> the kernel team do tend to have canonical names, https://launchpad.net/~apw
[01:09] <knome> sure
[01:09] <knome> andy's a nice guy, met him in UDS
[01:09] <knome> didn't understand too much what he and zequence discussed, but...
[01:10] <phillw> they tend to speak in a language that I have as much understanding as learning klingon :D
[01:11] <knome> ;)
[01:12] <phillw> Julien (gilir) has learned to speak to me in human. Devs really do have a language all of their own :)
[01:13] <knome> hah
[01:13] <knome> i do agree, though i sometimes are on the other side of the table too :P
[01:15] <phillw> I do remember with both fondness and horror pcman talking me though getting the dev tools needed, downloading the files needed so that I could 'make' pcmanfm so I could test it. For most of the time, he could have been talking in Cinese!
[01:15] <knome> heh
[01:15] <phillw> *Chinese*
[01:15] <phillw> which he would object to, as he in Taiwan
[01:17] <knome> it isn't too scary to build packages
[01:18] <knome> (anymore)
[01:20] <phillw> sorry, I just wandered over to try and find his instructions. Most odd... I found a forum actually working. Mind you, it is phpBB and not some propriatory rubbish :P
[01:20] <knome> heh
[01:25] <phillw> as steam had been hacked (and I'm told a Mac one), a week or so before, where the IS team thinking "bury head in sand.. it will go away"?
[01:26] <phillw> or were they hoping vB would actually have a patch?
[01:26] <phillw> wrong on both counts.
[01:28] <knome> not my area of expertise, that
[01:28] <knome> (well kind of, but not with forums)
[01:29] <phillw> nor mine, but having the source in the open, does give extra eyes to look at changes :)
[01:30] <phillw> I hacked the phpBB code (after instructons from them) to have a 2nd active banner only available on one area of my forum.
[01:33] <phillw> Which has just reminded me... I also asked and got a reply as to how recover my own password! ... Yeah, it happens
[01:33] <knome> heh
[01:34] <phillw> http://forum.phillw.net/ and http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18
[01:34] <phillw> back before lubuntu was adopted :D
[01:34] <knome> :)
[01:35] <phillw> click on the lubuntu icon and you get sent to get-lubuntu :)
[01:36] <knome> mhm
[01:36] <knome> those download buttons look nice
[01:37] <phillw> feel free to use them :)
[01:37] <knome> i'll probably roll my own, but good idea ;)
[01:38] <phillw> I'm not too sure if rafael themed for lubuntu, or used a standard stock image.
[01:39] <phillw> The art work team just... well... get on with that side of things and provide any banners / icons / buttons etc as we ask of tem.
[01:39] <phillw> *them*
[01:39] <knome> :)
[01:41] <phillw> between the 'fun' of GTK2 / 3 & Qt it has certainly kept them on their toes. As ever, I am really impressed with what they are designing for 13.10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Saucy/Box
[01:45] <phillw> knome: No, you cannot steal / poach our art team :P
[01:45] <knome> :P
[01:46] <knome> nope
[01:47] <phillw> rafael was lubuntu before I was. I came on at 10.04, they had a W-i-P at 9.10
[01:47] <knome> :)
[01:48] <phillw> But, he loves art stuff, so there is never a problem asking him to design a banner etc for xubuntu.
[01:48] <knome> well we do have resources for that
[01:49] <phillw> good, the art guys can feel a little cut off at times.
[01:49] <knome> definitely
[01:52] <phillw> rafael is a social media person (as I'm sure a lot of artists are), as such and because of his position within lubuntu, he is also a mod on our Fb / G+ areas. One of the minor advantages of that is he can upload a new banner without needing permission and he also knows he is trusted by us... heck, when people comment on the work the art team do, he even replies :D
[01:53] <knome> people should be trusted
[01:53] <phillw> he's a TL, how else but to trust?
[01:53] <knome> yup.
[01:55] <phillw> I know our structure on lubuntu is different to xubuntu. What suits you, suits you... what suits us, suits us.
[01:55] <knome> hehe, sure
[02:00] <phillw> I've got to see how JasonO and his busted leg is getting on, as I need to finalise our 13.10 pages with him. I've sort of volunteered to help get a structured wiki area up for ubuntu-gnome (read as help Ali get minor things like  a header page set up; easy for is who know, difficult the 1st time :) )
[02:00] <knome> :)
[02:02] <phillw> you would not believe the crap (well, actually you would) flying around when ali resigned from comms on lubuntu and moved to QA for gnome.... "He's fallen out with every one", they said..... Erm, well actually he's had a promotion.
[03:37] <pitti> Good morning
[07:33] <jibel> good morning
[08:08] <pitti> jodh, jibel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914006/ is my first attempt at the sub-VMs
[08:08] <pitti> with that, I can do
[08:08] <pitti> qemu-img create -f qcow2 -o backing_file=/dev/pristine_vm overlay
[08:09] <pitti> kvm -vnc localhost:11 -redir tcp:2222::22 -drive file=overlay,if=virtio -drive file=/dev/vdb,if=virtio,index=2,readonly
[08:09] <pitti> and then log into it with ssh -p 2222 ubuntu@localhost
[08:09] <pitti> jodh, jibel: I think I'll rearrange it further to produce its own cloud-init seed so that we can log into the sub-VM without a password (generate and pass ssh key)
[08:10] <jodh> pitti: nice! :)
[08:10] <pitti> and also provide a script in ~ubuntu, like "run-vm" that puts the above into a shell script
[08:11] <pitti> jodh: so from your side you'd call "run-vm [possible extra qemu args]" which would exit once the VM is started up, and then you can ssh into it and run anything you like; does that suit your needs?
[08:11] <pitti> jodh: oh, and you need a "qemu-kvm" test dependency"
[08:11] <pitti> I don't want to install this by default, as it has quite a large dep chain
[08:12] <jibel> pitti, excellent, you could reuse the same key than the main vm?
[08:12] <pitti> jibel: hm, do we really want that?
[08:12] <jodh> pitti: right. Ideally, I'd also be able to use -append to add "debug --debug" to the kernel command-line args. However, that seems to require that we mount the disk image, extract the initrd, unmount, then boot passing -initd and -append.
[08:12] <pitti> jibel: I was going to create a new key for the outer VM "ubuntu" user, for logging into the inner VM
[08:13] <pitti> jodh: the pristine VM is passed readonly; so if you need to modify it, you can copy /dev/pristine_vm to a file and tweak thaht
[08:13] <pitti> jodh: but perhaps it's easier to do that in the generated overlay, by mounting it and adding a grub file or so?
[08:13] <pitti> jodh: I'd like to avoid having to copy large files as they eat up memory
[08:14] <pitti> jodh: i. e. insert the fiddling in between qemu-img create and starting kvm
[08:17] <jodh> pitti: ack, although I think that implies the nested VM must be identical to the main one (wrt grub versions, etc), whereas copying the initrd doesn't impose that requirement.
[08:18] <jodh> pitti: restriction even :) I don't think this is a problem per se, just something we need to be aware of.
[08:18] <pitti> jodh: how do you mean?
[08:18] <pitti> jodh: if you mount the generated "overlay", it'll be a full writable VM, except that diffs go into the "overlay" file instead of the original readonly /dev/pristine_vm
[08:19] <pitti> jodh: I thought you by and large wanted the same image as your outer test is running in?
[08:19] <jodh> pitti: right, but after tweaking grub, I've got to call update-grub (or actually grub-mkconfig) to update the nested vm's grub config.
[08:19] <pitti> jodh: hm, might actually be easier to ssh into the sub-vm, do the grub tweaking and call "sudo reboot"?
[08:20] <jodh> pitti: ok, but then I've got to boot the vm, tweak it, then reboot it to run the tests. Ideally, I'd mount the disks, do tweaks, and just boot it once I think.
[08:21] <jodh> pitti: I guess we can finesse this as we go along though.
[08:21] <pitti> jodh: you can do that, too
[08:21] <pitti> jodh: as I said, you can mount the VM before lauching kvm
[08:22] <pitti> jodh: you can probably chroot into it for calling update-grub
[08:22] <jodh> pitti: good point :)
[08:22] <pitti> jodh: I did that once, but it requires some magic to mount a qemu image
[08:23] <jodh> pitti: I've used kpartx but racb was showing me qemu-nbd the other day which looks easier.
[08:24] <pitti> jodh: right, you'll need qemu-nbd
[08:24] <pitti> jodh: AFAIK kpartx only works for raw images, not for qcow2
[08:29] <jodh> pitti: this is great - do you know when this might be available? I'd started to hack together a basic kvm script but I'd much rather use what you've come up with :)
[08:29] <pitti> jodh: I guess logging into the sub-vm without a password is a required feature, right?
[08:30] <pitti> jodh: as typing passwords into ssh from a script sounds inconvenient/impossible
[08:30] <jodh> pitti: that would be *extremely* useful, yes.
[08:30] <pitti> jodh: I'll try to get that working today
[08:30] <jodh> pitti: yeah, I've automated that sort of thing in the past using expect, but there are a few gotchas :)
[08:30] <jodh> pitti: awesome, thanks!!
[08:31] <pitti> jodh: then you can call qemu-img and the kvm command on your own, and as a second step we can figure out how to put that into a common script
[08:31] <pitti> jodh: like, for providing extra mount/fiddle hooks
[08:34] <jodh> pitti: sounds good.
[08:59] <slickymaster> good morning all
[08:59] <knome> yo.
[10:16] <elfy> hi slickymaster
[10:24] <knome> hey elfy
[10:24] <elfy> hi knome
[10:24] <knome> what's up?
[10:25] <elfy> actually at home \o/
[10:25] <knome> woo
[10:26] <elfy> testcase head on :)
[10:27] <pitti> jodh, jibel: so, this WFM: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914345/
[10:27] <pitti> jodh: perhaps you can apply that on top of current lp:auto-package-testing and confirm that it works for you?
[10:28] <pitti> jibel: NB the "groups" cloud-config option doesn't do anything for me, hence the adduser ubuntu kvm
[10:31] <pitti> jodh, jibel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914359/ are the commands to run in the VM, plus "sudo apt-get install kvm"
[10:31] <pitti> err, qemu-kvm
[10:32] <jodh> pitti: thanks, will test...
[10:32] <slickymaster> elfy: hi, good morning
[10:37] <slickymaster> elfy: just saw your revision, I'll pass it through that script you told me about
[10:38] <elfy> k
[10:42] <slickymaster> elfy: regarding its size, what do you think?
[10:48] <DanChapman> Good Morning all :-)
[10:50] <slickymaster> DanChapman, good morning :)
[10:52] <elfy> slickymaster: well it is long - but - how simple do we make testcases - I'd rather make them have all things in
[10:52] <knome> on a general note it's a bit weird that one product (named "application") has one testsuite (named "application") and one testcase (named "application")
[10:53] <knome> *one testsuite with one testcase
[10:53] <slickymaster> elfy, I agrre. Also, I think that if we'd break it into several ones it could result in a lack of consistency on all of them
[10:54] <slickymaster> knome, not sure if I fully understand you :(
[10:55] <knome> slickymaster, http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/
[10:55] <knome> slickymaster, there is a product "Gedit"
[10:55] <knome> slickymaster, click that -> there is a testsuite "Gedit"
[10:55] <slickymaster> knome, yes
[10:55] <knome> slickymaster, clikck that -> there is testcase "Gedit"
[10:55] <knome> (Tests)
[10:55] <elfy> slickymaster: that's not to do with your talking to us about gthumb :)
[10:56] <knome> so you have to click thrice on "Gedit" to get to the Gedit testcase
[10:56] <knome> elfy, what do you think
[10:56] <knome> elfy, should do organize xubuntu packages like this:
[10:56] <knome> elfy, Product: Xubuntu desktop
[10:56] <knome> elfy, Testsuite: Xfce, Office, (etc)
[10:56] <slickymaster> knome, i saw it
[10:56] <elfy> knome: yea +1 to that
[10:57] <knome> elfy, Testcase: Xfce Settings, Abiword, (etc)
[10:57] <knome> there is *one* drawback to that
[10:57] <knome> if another product/flavor has the abiword tests
[10:57] <elfy> which it will do
[10:57] <knome> we don't see how many times the tests are ran
[10:57] <knome> we can see the shared bugs for sure
[10:58] <knome> but not the test run count
[10:58] <knome> that would also mean we don't need the wikipage
[10:58] <knome> because everything is under the Xubuntu product in packages.
[10:58] <knome> so we would only need to remember/remind we have stuff in iso. and packages.
[10:59] <elfy> I'd rather not reinvent the wheel - so if we can do it asa above then I'd prefer that
[10:59] <elfy> there will be some packages that are used elsewhere - they'd have to be seperate I guess
[11:00] <knome> well that's defeating the purpose
[11:00] <knome> we can share the testcases with no problem though.
[11:00] <knome> i mean, we only have to maintain one testcase
[11:00] <elfy> I know
[11:00] <slickymaster> knome, sorry if this is might sound idiotic, but I fail to see the relation between your arguments and how thorough a test is
[11:01] <slickymaster> or should be
[11:01] <elfy> slickymaster: we're not talking about that :)
[11:01] <slickymaster> elfy, knome, sorry. my bad
[11:01] <knome> elfy, we could write down that the testcase is in multiple products in the testcase itself
[11:01] <elfy> slickymaster: you're in two conversations at once - welcome to IRC lol
[11:02] <elfy> knome: yep - that would cover that I think
[11:03] <elfy> I assume a different product could have testcases that appear in ours - though that's a guess
[11:03] <slickymaster> :)
[11:04] <knome> elfy, i'm borderline thinking that's a non-issue, but one we need to remember
[11:04] <elfy> yep
[11:04] <elfy> so I can forget about looking at the wiki thing for the moment
[11:04] <knome> shall i go and move things around then?
[11:04] <elfy> ok
[11:04] <knome> you can - just forget it completely :P
[11:04] <elfy> :)
[11:06] <elfy> I'll get my writing head on for the moment - ping me when you've shuffled so I can go look :)
[11:06] <knome> sure, just a sec
[11:09] <knome> WHA
[11:09] <knome> balloons, PING
[11:13] <knome> elfy, i can't show you stuff, apparently renaming the product made it disappear. BOO
[11:13] <elfy> oops
[11:13] <knome> also, somebody misspelled...
[11:14] <elfy> look in the manual ... :)
[11:14] <knome> i don't have the *permissions* to fix that
[11:14] <knome> i'm not in the supercow group
[11:14] <knome> Rythmnbox
[11:14] <knome> isn't that
[11:14] <knome> Rhythmbox
[11:14] <elfy> yep
[11:15] <knome> re: packages in multiple products, i can think we can leave stuff like thunderbird and firefox out
[11:15] <knome> i'm pretty sure they are going to be just fine
[11:16] <elfy> yep - that sounds good ti me
[13:08] <knome> balloons, oops, ubuntu-manual-tests just went from revision 169 to 183 ;)
[13:10] <knome> and when i say 183, i mean 184
[13:16] <ChrisTownsend> Hi, would this be the proper channel to ask a question about SRU verification?
[13:19] <jodh> pitti: just tried the diff and run-adt-test fails on "adduser ubuntu kvm" (adduser: The group `kvm' does not exist.)
[13:56] <ChrisTownsend> Well, not sure if this is the right channel, but 'll ask anyways:)  I'm verifying a Raring SRU Unity bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1074038 - Some of the strings pointed out by the bug reporter are still not translated.  The code is good and is needed in order to have the strings translated, but until a new language pack is done, some of the strings won't be translated.  Should I consider this veri
[14:44] <elopio> balloons: I've finished the refactor on the file manager
[14:44] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-filemanager-app/emulators/+merge/177070
[14:44] <elopio> turned out to be huge.
[14:45] <elopio> I also gave a try to dropping letters. It was weirder
[14:45] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/dropping-letters/fix1199112-autopilot_test_start_new_game/+merge/177108
[14:45] <elopio> the current problem on that branch is that the labels that are not visible say they are.
[15:06]  * balloons has a look
[15:08] <xeranas> good evening
[15:24] <knome> balloons, ping
[15:24] <balloons> knome, pong
[15:24] <knome> balloons, this is a weird request, but can you approve ~gridcube to ~ubuntu-etherpad?
[15:26] <knome> balloons, thanks!
[15:26] <balloons> knome, seems he is an active member now
[15:26] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~gridcube
[15:26] <knome> yup, either you or somebody else did that ;)
[15:28] <balloons> evening xeranas
[15:30] <balloons> ahh elopio your back ;-) I was just looking at your merges, and working on getting the docs pushed up
[15:31] <knome> balloons, also, please don't be scared of our pushes to ubuntu-manual-tests ;)
[15:31] <knome> balloons, even further, i renamed the xfce product to xubuntu desktop, and now it seems to have disappeared from the list of active tests...
[15:32] <balloons> knome, hehe, I'm not scared, but I don't see anything to merge.. I try and check in
[15:32] <knome> balloons, there isn't anything to merge. i'm a testcase admin as well :P
[15:32] <balloons> knome, ohh, well that's a problem
[15:32] <balloons> I know, it's helpful to have ;-)
[16:18] <balloons> elopio, I think I'm getting close on getting sphinx to generate docs for your emulator :-)
[16:19] <balloons> cool.. I have a nice little sphinx page with your docstrings and linked code.. now to put on the site
[18:12] <balloons> elopio, have a look: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.04/autopilot/
[18:19] <xeranas_> balloons: hello
[18:19] <balloons> xeranas_, evening to you
[18:20] <xeranas_> I wonder if it possible to do "multitouch" with autopilot on pc (without touch device)
[18:23] <balloons> xeranas_, you mean on say a multitouch monitor?
[18:24] <xeranas_> balloons: multitouch for things like "zooming"
[18:24] <balloons> that's an excellent question, and I don't know of the top of my head. However, as far as autopilot is concerned, if you wanted to generate the events as touch events and not "mouse" events you can do so
[18:25] <balloons> so assuming multitouch works on your pc install, I would say autopilot would too :-)
[18:27] <xeranas_> There is gesture method "pitch", but it use inside Touch object. I tried override (locally), but I get only jumping mouse (if I use mouse input) or nothing if I use Touch input device
[18:27] <balloons> xeranas_, do you have hardware that supports touch?
[18:28] <balloons> if so, yea, use the touch gestures.. there is some logic that pushes using the mouse if you have a desktop enviroment in the core apps. you could disable that so it used touch
[18:30] <xeranas_> balloons: only old android smartphone
[18:31] <xeranas_> however I think tests should not be too much depend on hardware
[18:31] <balloons> xeranas_, the api is the same whether it's touch enabled or ot
[18:32] <balloons> you'll see things like pointing_device used that abstracts it.. on a pc it will click. on the phone is will tap
[18:40] <balloons> xeranas_, does that make sense?
[18:41] <xeranas_> balloons: yea, I tried change pointing_device between Mouse and Touch
[18:43] <xeranas_> the problem is that in Multitouch cases Mouse just wont work properly, because it just one mouse, when I testing with Touch input then I see no result, because probably "fingers" do not have visually pointers, so it hard to tell if it actually make change or app not support zooming it
[18:49] <balloons> xeranas_, ok, so maybe I'm understanding now. you trying to write a test for a multitouch gesture and it's not working on the desktop with a mouse
[18:50] <balloons> is that it?
[18:50] <xeranas_> balloons: yes
[18:51] <balloons> xeranas_, ok got it :-) Ok so that's eitheir something wrong in the code, or a bug in autopilot itself. Can you share the test with me and perhaps I can help?
[18:51] <xeranas_> balloons: this is just my random thoughts, probably I did some mess with code and missed some important part. However for my gesture.pinch won't worked out-of-box. I changed finger_1 and finger_2 to Pointer object, which did (visually) stuff, when pointing_device was Mouse, but do not effect when pointing_device was Touch
[18:52] <balloons> sadly thomi isn't around today xeranas_ but he would be the person to really chat with about it
[19:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, evening to you
[19:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, evening :)
[19:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, read about the emulator
[19:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, indeed
[19:21] <balloons> I'm still playing with it also
[19:21] <xeranas_> balloons: I' made temporal branch for showing my trying http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xeranas/ubuntu-docviewer-app/FAIL_TO_ZOOM/revision/14 however it messed up quite I loot (get code from other Ubuntu set-up)
[19:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am fixing the rssreader test, the new look is very nice
[19:24] <xeranas_> balloons: there are so many changes, because I commented others test to improve running speed of my experiments
[19:24] <balloons> xeranas_, ahh.. I see the pinch zooming..
[19:25] <xeranas_> balloons: I copied that method for debugging purpose, (it changed a bit from original), however it was not worked for me either
[19:26] <balloons> I'd suggest we send this to the autopilot users mailing list so thomi and others can see it and comment. But your trying to test zooming an image correct?
[19:27] <xeranas_> balloons: yea, I tried to test image zooming
[19:32] <xeranas_> balloons: probably best thing that autopilot team would review original gestures.pinch method and advise. Main reason why I copied/modified pinch method because I get run-time errors like: "Touch object do not have 'move' method" or something like that (but again I could be wrong or missed something).
[19:38] <balloons> xeranas_, yes I agree.. do you have the mailing list address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:39] <xeranas_> balloons: no, not sure if I know how works launchpad mailing system
[19:39] <balloons> xeranas_, just send a mail to that address.. should work out fine :-)
[19:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, do you think it's better to incorporate the emulator also in the rss reader app test ?
[19:46] <balloons> Letozaf_, go for it :-) You can gut the old stuff, but if your not sure, it wouldn't hurt to do one then the other. meaning, get it working again, then merge the emulator
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok fine :)
[20:23] <Noskcaj> balloons, Is it possible to add a "prerequisites" funtion to the manual testcases. many of them need things downloaded or made beforehand
[20:23] <balloons> hey Noskcaj
[20:23] <Noskcaj> hello
[20:23] <balloons> umm, normally that stuff goes into the the installation instructions, etc
[20:23] <balloons> those aren't managed in the repo, but only in the tool
[20:24] <knome> balloons, that's pretty hidden though.
[20:24] <balloons> knome, yea, but your UI tweaks will help eh? :-p
[20:24] <Noskcaj> e.g. the transmission testcase needs a torrent file and a magnet link
[20:24] <balloons> Seriously though, that's the intended place for them
[20:24] <balloons> we can talk about changing it.. it seems those download links are often confusing for people, but ...
[20:24] <knome> balloons, not for that, but should be looked at at a later time
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have a problem/bug on the rssreader toolbar who do I have to ask ?
[20:27] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. feel free to ping the rss guys.. or ask me
[20:27] <balloons> let's see if they are around
[20:28] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-rssreader-dev
[20:29] <elopio> balloons: sorry, there was a blackout. It looks pretty good :)
[20:29] <balloons> so normally qtros could be about
[20:29] <balloons> elopio, no worries.. I hope it looks good, as I sent word about it to everyone. Great work on getting it done :-)
[20:33] <elopio> balloons: my pleasure, it's been fun. I now have a couple of emulators to add next week.
[20:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, doesn't seem they are around, but we do have there email, or we could file a bug
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, not sure it's a bug, the ubuntusdk get_toolbar_button() is not working and with autopilot vis I see there is no "Button" that's why it fails I think
[20:36] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh.. you can certainly blame my old sdk :-)
[20:36] <elopio> balloons: it would be great if you can get somebody to review my filemanager branch. It will be a pain to merge in case of conflicts.
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, so I will try another way
[20:37] <balloons> elopio, your right.. I should ping iBelieve
[20:37] <balloons> ohh bother, he's on vacaction
[20:37] <balloons> well, I can certainly review it
[20:38] <elopio> balloons: :) If you don't like something, please let me know.
[20:39] <elopio> I'm leaving now. bbl.
[20:39] <balloons> elopio, kk, I'll comment
[20:40] <balloons> Letozaf_, this might help? http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.04/autopilot/_modules/ubuntuuitoolkit/emulators.html#Toolbar.click_button
[20:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks let me see
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, the weired thing is that with autopilot vis I have 3 ActionItem objects, when I use elf.select_single('ActionItem', objectName=object_name) and I have given an objectName to the  toolbar button I get this error:  AttributeError: 'ubuntusdk' object has no attribute 'select_single'
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, the object is there and It should be selected
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, doesn't matter I will work on this this week end and see if I find out what the problem is
[21:44] <maennchen> hi, i'm not sure if i'm right here. I try to install Ubuntu 13 in dual boot with lvm to encrypt the drive. but i can't find the possibity to use lvm with only a part of the disk.


[17:00] <stgraber> cjwatson: hey, so I was wondering (because I had to install a bunch of machines this weekend), is there any reason why our mini.iso aren't UEFI-ready?
[17:00] <stgraber> I ended up building my own by copying EFI/ and boot/ from the server image with the kernel and initrd from mini.iso which worked fine, but we probably should have a proper image for 14.04
[17:02] <cjwatson> Er, they should be
[17:03] <cjwatson> They're probably not signed because that extra round-trip would be pretty painful to arrange in this case, but they should have perfectly functional unsigned UEFI support
[17:04] <stgraber> they sure don't
[17:06] <cjwatson> $ isoinfo -lR -i /mirror/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso | grep efi.img
[17:07] <cjwatson> -r--r--r--   1    0    0         2392064 Feb  7 2014 [     75 00]  efi.img
[17:07] <cjwatson> and dumpet thinks it has an EFI El Torito entry
[17:07] <cjwatson> so if it's not working it's definitely in the category of bug rather than missing feature ...
[17:10] <stgraber> hmm, interesting, I wonder why that didn't work then. Maybe the firmware was confused due to it being on a usb stick, will have to try that again...
[17:12] <stgraber> I guess I also got confused due to it using efi.img + El Torito rather than plain EFI/ + boot/ as we do on the server images


[19:13] <smoser> harmw, any status on https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=194295 ?
[19:13] <smoser> what does "reaady" mean ?
[19:19]  * hiren_ is resurfacing slowly after paternity leave.
[19:20] <harmw> smoser: it's waiting to be committed :)
[19:20] <harmw> tbh, I've been way to busy with other stuff this week..
[19:21] <smoser> oh wow. congratulations, hiren_.
[19:21] <hiren_> smoser: thanks!
[19:21] <smoser> what does that mean, harmw ?
[19:21] <hiren_> harmw: want me to poke someone?
[19:21] <smoser> hiren_, you'll be in paris ?
[19:22] <hiren_> smoser: paris?  If things get delayed, let me know. I'll try to push. I've cced myself on the bug.


[07:36] <YoBoY> good morning
[15:30] <akgraner> ashams, thank you again for bring Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day to the forefront
[15:30] <ashams> thank you :)
[15:31] <akgraner> I am looking forward to seeing everyone's posts, tweets, dents, FB's google+'s and more about the community that we all enjoy and are part of
[15:35] <ashams> I hope so :)
[16:04] <ashams> Anybody know where to get more info about former contributer, specially dead ones?
[16:05] <ashams> s/contributer/contributors
[16:10] <jrgifford> wait, when is the ubuntu community appreciation day? (been too busy to keep up with planet.u.c...)
[16:10] <jrgifford> isn't it in two days or something?
[16:27] <akgraner> jrgifford, yep..on Sunday
[16:28] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UCADay
[17:09] <jrgifford> akgraner: awesome, thanks.
[17:10] <jrgifford> i'll schedule a cronjob to make a blog post for me then, since i'll be out of town....
[17:10] <akgraner> jrgifford, thanks!
[17:12] <jrgifford> akgraner: :)
[17:17] <ashams> jrgifford, Thanks
[17:58] <ashams> anybody want to help with administering facebook page and identi.ca group of UCADay?
[18:00] <jrgifford> ashams: eek facebook, but it's a worthy cause. i'd be willing to help. what's required?
[18:01] <ashams> nothing just keep them up to date with some news related to *Community*
[18:01] <ashams> not technical news, just things related community itself
[18:02] <ashams> give me your fb profile
[18:05] <ashams> jrgifford, here the fb profile https://fb.com/UCADay
[18:06] <jrgifford> ashams: https://www.facebook.com/jrgifford.james - that's me.
[18:06] <jrgifford> and i liked the page
[18:07] <ashams> coool
[18:07] <ashams> one sec
[18:10] <ashams> jrgifford, it doesn't complete your name
[18:10] <ashams> one sec I'll try something else
[18:11] <jrgifford> ashams: i guess i don't exist as far as facebook is concerned... :(
[18:12] <ashams> nah
[18:12] <ashams> I need your email address
[18:12] <ashams> that what's written overhere
[18:12] <jrgifford><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:13] <ashams> jrgifford, DONE :D
[18:13] <ashams> Welcome :)
[18:15] <ashams> crap
[18:15] <ashams> captcha
[18:16] <ashams> i filled about 10 captchas so far
[18:17] <ashams> I'm trying the audio captcha :D
[18:20] <ashams> jrgifford, ah, seemed to work finally
[18:20] <ashams> welcome akgraner ;)
[18:26] <ashams> jrgifford, had to flip my monitor to see your profile pic :P
[18:26] <jrgifford> ashams: lol, its supposed to be like that... :P
[18:27] <ashams> :D


[04:04] <lfaraone> chrisccoulson: should I just mail the list wrt the Firefox.activity branding question? or is there a specific person I should email? (asac?)


[01:34] <callmepk> good morning
[03:27] <pieq> Morning!
[03:28] <pieq> I'm having a beautiful `03:27:07:0975 Gtk cannot open display: :0` error when trying to open snap-store
[03:28] <pieq> No matter if I'm using stable or beta version
[03:28] <pieq> but I cannot use apport to report the problem, cause it's a snap. What logs should I include?
[05:12] <guiverc> pieq, on my system it's gnome-software found in gnome-software package; if that's what you're using, you can file against that (gnome-software) but I don't use it so I'm offering uneducated opinion
[05:12]  * guiverc just realize how old your question was, ignore if you solved it already
[05:36] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:41] <duflu> Morning seb128
[05:46] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you?
[05:48] <pieq> guiverc, not solved, but the problem is on 20.04, we don't use the gnome-software Debian package, but instead the snap-store snap
[05:48] <pieq> salut seb128
[05:48] <seb128> lut pieq, comment ça va ?
[05:48] <duflu> seb128, going well, you?
[05:48] <pieq> seb128, meeeeeh... LD
[05:48] <pieq> :D
[05:48] <pieq> et toi ?
[05:48] <seb128> I'm alright, a bit tired though
[05:48]  * duflu prepares to run to the post office. biab
[05:48] <pieq> seb128, do you know how to report bugs against a snap? I'm having a lot of troubles with snap-store...
[05:49] <pieq> and apport/ubuntu-bug don't work with snaps
[05:50] <guiverc> sorry pieq & everyone, I misread the room [again]... apologies  (I answered as if it was support question)
[05:51] <pieq> guiverc, no worries :)
[06:02] <didrocks> good morning
[06:04] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:05] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[06:05] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va bien, et toi?
[06:05] <seb128> pieq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+filebug
[06:05] <seb128> oSoMoN, ça va, levé un peu tôt à mon goût (avant 6h30)
[06:06] <seb128> pieq, also 'ubuntu-bug snap-store' seems to work for me on focal
[06:09] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça fait tôt, mais tout est relatif, ça dépend vraiment de l’heure du coucher aussi, et de la qualité du sommeil
[07:03] <didrocks> seb128: réveillé comme tous les jours vers 6h30, ça va :)
[07:04] <seb128> didrocks, moi j'arrive pas à m'y faire :p
[07:05] <seb128> oSoMoN, oui, le problème c'est que le temps de boucler les repas, couché, etc, de finir les corvées et souvent les trucs commencés dans la journée et de ce détendre il est minuit...
[07:06] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:06] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson , how are you?
[07:07] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing better today that we have the heating back :) you?
[07:07] <didrocks> heh :)
[07:07] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[07:07] <seb128> marcustomlinson, I'm alright!
[07:08] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks
[07:08] <pieq> merci seb128
[07:09] <pieq> does anyone monitor this snap-store-desktop project?
[07:09] <duflu> Oops
[07:10] <duflu> Morning didrocks, oSoMoN, marcustomlinson
[07:10] <seb128> pieq, kenvandine and marcustomlinson I think
[07:10] <duflu> Afternoon pieq
[07:10] <pieq> ok
[07:10] <seb128> pieq, in doubt you can always mention the bug you reported and care about there to make sure we notice it :)
[07:12] <pieq> will do, but first have to finish testing something for a customer
[07:12] <pieq> merci encore, seb128 :)
[07:13] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:41] <oSoMoN> hey didrocks, marcustomlinson, pieq, duflu
[07:41] <marcustomlinson> hey oSoMoN
[08:01] <Laney> sup
[08:05] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:05] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[08:22] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:23] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:29] <Laney> moin duflu oSoMoN seb128 didrocks
[08:30] <Laney> I'm alright ye
[08:30] <Laney> blue sky is back
[08:31] <seb128> indeed it is!
[08:36] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[08:38] <Laney> hallo marcustomlinson
[09:59] <ricotz> good morning desktopers!
[10:04] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[10:06] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[10:10] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN seb128
[10:12] <ricotz> seb128, I am fine, I am hoping you too
[10:16] <ricotz> seb128, I have prepared vala 0.48.11-1 in salsa, local test build just passed as well
[11:05] <seb128> ricotz, k, I can soponsor that one in a bit
[11:22] <ricotz> seb128, thank you
[13:02] <PaulePanter> Hi. A user brought a Surface Pro 4, where WPA2 Enterprise stopped working after upgrading to Ubuntu 20.04.1 with Linux 5.4.x.
[13:03] <PaulePanter> Using Linux 4.15.x from the previous release, the WiFi works again.
[13:04] <seb128> PaulePanter, hey, this channel isn't an user support one, also you seem to describe a kernel issue so try #ubuntu-kernel rather than ubuntu-desktop?
[13:04] <PaulePanter> I tested the Linux PPA builds, and it does not work in 5.4.68, but works in 5.5-rc1 and further.
[13:04] <PaulePanter> seb128: Will do.
[13:06]  * seb128 reports a debhelper regression to Debian, fun times :p
[13:07] <seb128> changes on the perl binding causing ubuntu-wallpapers to fail to build on some utf encoded filename
[13:07] <seb128> peeeerrrrrlll
[13:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, librsvg, it was a simple matter of uploading was in git right?
[13:08] <oSoMoN> seb128, yes
[13:08] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[13:08] <luna_> Having some spare time, so will attend the meeting today
[13:09] <luna_> good afternoon
[13:09] <seb128> hey luna_ , how are you?
[13:09] <luna_> alright
[13:09] <luna_> PaulePanter: #ubuntu
[13:11] <seb128> oSoMoN, uploaded
[13:12] <oSoMoN> cheers
[13:13] <seb128> np, thanks for testing and sorry it was delayed upload
[13:15] <luna_> So meeting time now ?
[13:15] <seb128> luna_, 15 min
[13:15] <luna_> ah alright
[13:15] <seb128> :)
[13:30] <luna_> .startmeeting ?
[13:30] <seb128> k, meeting
[13:31] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-09-29
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 29 13:31:21 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <luna_> o/
[13:31] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <didrocks> o/
[13:31] <hellswor1> o/
[13:32] <callmepk> o/
[13:32] <seb128> sounds like we have enough people to get started :)
[13:32] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:33] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:33] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> things are assigned as they should there
[13:33] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:34] <luna_> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:34] <seb128> one bug that is assigned but listed because still tagged which I keep because we said we would fix that case
[13:34] <seb128> luna_, thanks, seems I ctrl-V failed :)
[13:35] <seb128> (keeping the entry as a testcase to verify it's fixed once we get the change in place)
[13:35] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:35] <seb128> bug #1897553 there
[13:36] <seb128> sounds like that has been sponsored already by Lukaz so I'm just going to assign to Kai
[13:37] <seb128> that's it for focal
[13:37] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <seb128> assigned ones only
[13:38] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:38] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:38] <seb128> small list, one flaky test to be retried
[13:38] <seb128> other items are blocked by the beta freeze that started
[13:38] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:39] <seb128> reminder that it's beta week, please giving it some testing if possible
[13:39] <seb128> on real hardware with nvidia if possible
[13:39] <luna_> was about to write that but you where faster and can test on my desktop with GTX 760 thats Nvidia but older :p
[13:39] <seb128> and make sure that nvidia drivers and steam do work after installation :)
[13:39] <luna_> if that helps
[13:39] <seb128> it sure does
[13:39] <seb128> thanks!
[13:39] <seb128> anything else?
[13:40] <didrocks> (sounds like the shortest meeting ever)
[13:40] <marcustomlinson> :)
[13:40] <kenvandine> lol
[13:40] <Laney> few bugs on gg-tracking that have been stuck for a while
[13:40] <Laney> people might want to ask for help
[13:41] <oSoMoN> right, I have a couple of bugs there that I haven't looked at in a good while :/
[13:42] <seb128> it's probably not specific to the G serie, but yeah assigned bugs and trello cards aren't moving much this cycle...
[13:43] <seb128> anyway, let's wrap under the 15 min mark, nicely done desktopers :)
[13:43] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:43] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 29 13:43:18 2020 UTC.
[13:43] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-09-29-13.31.moin.txt
[13:43] <hellswor1> i keep coming back to my bug when i have time but can try and focus on it a bit more htis week
[13:43] <luna_> this was a fast meeting this week :)
[13:43] <hellsworth> thanks!
[13:43] <didrocks> thx!
[13:44] <seb128> indeed, things sounded mostly in shape, which is a positive sign around beta!
[13:44] <luna_> idd
[13:45] <seb128> (still a few desktop updates to grab on https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 for those still bored after updating their bugs and trello cards :p)
[14:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, ignore the incoming tag added to bug #1859308 , I'm just using it to test that those correctly get filtered out when the bug is targetted now
[14:45] <oSoMoN> ack
[15:06] <tjaalton> launching terminator crashes the shell, is there a known bug about it?
[15:10] <seb128> tjaalton, not that I know no
[15:11] <seb128> ubuntu-bug report it and see if it's retraced as a known issue?
[15:44] <oSoMoN> is anyone working on the tepl/gedit updates yet, or shall I ?
[15:51] <tjaalton> alright
[15:51] <tjaalton> how can I find where apport sent it?
[15:55] <tjaalton> ah, now I got the lp page
[15:58] <oSoMoN> tjaalton, you can get a list of all crash reports for a given machine by browsing to https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/ID where ID is the output of `sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id`
[15:58] <tjaalton> oh, cool
[16:01] <tjaalton> filed bug 1897765
[16:01] <tjaalton> still private
[16:02] <tjaalton> bug 1897765
[16:02] <tjaalton> there
[19:29] <seb128> could someone hit https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=groovy&arch=amd64&package=gvfs&trigger=libimobiledevice/1.3.0-5 ? I'm logged out and doesn't have my phone next to me with the authentificator...
[19:44] <ginggs> seb128: .
[19:51] <seb128> ginggs, thanks