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[08:07] <popey> Morning all
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/ popey
[08:10] <popey> going to make http://www.slowcookerclub.com/recipes/beef/awesome-chili-con-carne.html today i think
[08:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] LoCo Council Goings On In 12.04 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/13/loco-council-goings-on-in-12-04/
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looks like a good recipe for a slow cooker popey - not used one since my first house (~20yr ago) myself though.
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - in fact ~25yr ago.
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> My endowment policy matures next year IIRC.
[08:16] <christel> bigcalm: \o/
[08:16] <christel> morning popey, TheOpenSourcerer :)
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi christel
[08:23] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning AlanBell
[08:27] <christel> morning AlanBell :)
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm traffic sounds a bit pants this morning. Wondering whether to go M3-M25-M40 to High-Wycombe or go "off-piste" and through Bracknell/Maidenhead cross-country...
[08:31] <christel> do you save much/if any time on going M25/M40? (under normal traffic conditions)
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - about 1/2hr according to the big G
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> And it is only marginally longer, e.g. ~2 miles
[08:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:34] <christel> *nod* i am trying to think how long it used to take to drive to beaconsfield back when i frequently did that, but i want to say it only took about 40mins and that i went through slough (so heading reading direction i guess) but its been a few years and i must be mistaken if the M25 route can save you 40mins! :)
[08:34] <christel> er 30mins
[08:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer ducks in case czajkowski is in "one-of-those-moods".
[08:35] <christel> (i have very selective memory and an irrational fear of driving on the motorway, well, driving in the uk, but motorway most of all)
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> christel: Go on a Speed Awareness Course. Motorways are almost infinitely safer than other roads.
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> ~70% of all accidents occur in urban (30mph) areas. 26% on Rural and 4% on Motorways.
[08:37] <christel> see, i learned to drive in norway, in a small town by the arctic circle -- i could drive for four hours and meet 3 cars in that time -- then i moved here and through some bizarre fuckedupness on my part managed to set off in the wrong direction from a service station on the M62
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Deaths are: ~30%, ~69% and ~4% respectively.
[08:37] <christel> luckily it was 6 am and it went fine and i managed to turn around
[08:37] <christel> but it scared me senseless
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:38] <christel> i think i really need to take some lessons to get my confidence back *and* get used to this whole "wrong side of the car/road" thing -- i try to avoid driving as much as i can, and when i have to i end up opening the door instead of changing gears! :)
[08:39] <christel> and if anyone is in the car with me they end up screaming at me that i am "WAY TOO BLOODY CLOSE TO THE CURB" (tsk!)
[08:39] <christel> i am a really rubbish (as in lacking in confidence) driver since moving here :)
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh man. 1trillion fps camera: chime.in/user/Bill/chime/83832090542510080
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> See light "moving"
[08:40] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nope am ok and never in a mood with you, davmor2 and MooDoo is another matter
[08:41] <DJones> mORNING ALL
[08:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> See Johnny has hung up his boots :-(
[08:41] <christel> czajkowski: you will be pleased to know that david has learned to say "rugby"
[08:41] <christel> (well, it's more like "rubby" but the sentiment is there)
[08:42] <czajkowski> whooo
[08:42] <czajkowski> christel: unless he plans to be a ruby developer at which point all is list
[08:42] <czajkowski> *lost
[08:42] <christel> hehe
[08:42] <czajkowski> christel: danfish is orgnaising an Ubuntu rugby meet up in the new year
[08:43] <christel> czajkowski: i think the childminder takes him to the rugby club, and our neighbours are like involved with it, so now when he sees tina or tim he points at them and goes "RUBBY RUBBY" (bless)
[08:43] <czajkowski> awww cute
[08:44] <christel> it is a bit! :)
[08:44] <christel> i have made the executive decision to take him to rugby tots when he hits 2, however it appears the closest one is guildford
[08:45] <czajkowski> that is a bit of a treck
[08:45] <hoover> good morning all
[08:46] <christel> yeah, i'm not sure why noone more local does it
[08:47] <czajkowski> whoo a week to go to ireland :D
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the weather is getting much worse...
[08:47] <christel> :D
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think you'll be havign some fun travelling czajkowski ?
[08:48] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nope weatherforecsat looks good
[08:48] <czajkowski> no snow
[08:48] <czajkowski> I just need to remember next week to get up and get train to heathrow and not gatwick like I usually do
[08:59] <daubers> uhhhh... are we one of the teams being twinned?
[09:00] <daubers> ah, no :)
[09:00] <daubers> </sigh of relief>
[09:04] <czajkowski> daubers: aye ye are
[09:04] <DJones> teams twinned?
[09:05] <czajkowski> daubers: aye 5 approved teams have been selected to twin with an unapproved team to help them grow
[09:05] <czajkowski> learn about locoteams and how they are organised and help them in the ubuntu community
[09:08] <DJones> czajkowski: Is there a mailing list post or web link about it
[09:09] <bigcalm> christel: thought you might like to start your day with a little wub
[09:09] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[09:10] <christel> bigcalm: aye! i love starting my day with some wub wub wub :D
[09:10] <daubers> czajkowski: We are being twinned? Looking at the blueprint I didn't think we where....

[09:11] <mrevell> Goodly morning
[09:11] <christel> morning matthew :)
[09:11] <DJones> daubers: Have you got a link to the blueprint docs for that
[09:12] <daubers> DJones: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-lococouncil
[09:12] <DJones> Thanks
[09:12] <czajkowski> DJones: we're working on the blog post this week and mailing the unapproved teams
[09:12] <daubers> Although I might be misreading it
[09:12] <czajkowski> bugs have been created for the approved teams and the team contacts aka AlanBell have been added to them
[09:15] <AlanBell> I have
[09:15] <AlanBell> dunno who we are twinning with though
[09:16] <popey> \o/ loco twinning
[09:16] <DJones> Its a great idea
[09:16] <czajkowski> it was popeys ideas before he left
[09:16] <czajkowski> so this cycle we're trying it out with 10 teams 5 approved and 5 unapproved
[09:16] <bigcalm> I thought towns in europe were twinned so that they didn't attack each other after ww2?
[09:16] <daubers> So.... does this mean we have to start being more active again? :p
[09:17]  * daubers obviously hasn't been keeping up very well with the Ubuntu news recentlt
[09:17] <DJones> daubers: You're going to have to learn another foreign language
[09:18] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:18] <daubers> DJones: There's a redundant "nother" in that sentence
[09:19] <DJones> daubers: I thought you may be better at foreign languages than me and could have known a 2nd one
[09:19] <daubers> DJones: I speak 2 languages, English and bad English
[09:20] <czajkowski> it's too early for ye lot this morning
[09:20] <czajkowski> shhh go back to sleep
[09:20] <DJones> zzzzz
[09:20] <DJones> Don't tempt me
[09:21] <daubers> Is there anything known on how this stuff will work yet? Or is it all a bit fuzzy?
[09:21] <christel> popey: did you request permission to pubcrawl? :)
[09:21] <popey> I did not christel, when is it again?
[09:22] <czajkowski> daubers: blog post to follow but we have some ideas
[09:22] <christel> czajkowski: make sure to twin us with someone we wont play in the rugby yeah?
[09:22] <christel> popey: i think alan suggested wednesday (tomorrow? or did he mean next wednesday?)
[09:22] <czajkowski> christel: you mean beat ye,...... that's kinda hard :p
[09:22] <czajkowski> *ducks*
[09:22] <christel> czajkowski: :P
[09:22] <popey> no idea
[09:22] <DJones> Maybe Ireland could be twinned with Wales :)
[09:22] <czajkowski> wilkinson has retired from international
[09:22] <czajkowski> DJones: wales is part of the UK loco.
[09:23] <daubers> czajkowski: I'll keep an eye out for it :)
[09:23] <DJones> True, I wasn't thinking like that, definately too early for me
[09:23]  * daubers might end up experimenting with OpenGL in python tonight
[09:24] <AlanBell> christel: popey: I think the pub was suggested by gordonjcp who is popping down from Scotland tomorrow
[09:26] <popey> oooh
[09:26] <bigcalm> Lock up your radios
[09:27] <popey> There are now 8 computers on my desk.  Seems I already have a repo on github from long ago
[09:41] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: open ones are free, I have about 30 repos on my account
[09:41] <dogmatic69> moving to git is the way forward btw ;)
[09:42] <bigcalm> Then I'm not understanding the github interface :)
[09:42] <dogmatic69> i find it a bit confusing too, been using it for 2 years :/
[09:43] <gord> i have learnt how to get a projects git address from github, so i just run in, grab it and get out
[09:43] <bigcalm> I don't see the option to add a new public repo
[09:44] <bigcalm> Typing in the URL /repositories/new worked
[09:45] <bigcalm> But couldn't find a link otherwise
[09:45] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: click dashboard at the top
[09:46] <dogmatic69> then on the right just above your list of repos is new repo
[09:50] <christel> AlanBell: what time are we expecting gordonjcp to arrive? :)
[09:54] <bigcalm> Does it take a while for newly added files to appear in github?
[09:54] <bigcalm> Ah
[09:54] <bigcalm> I need to commit before pushing
[09:56] <bigcalm> https://github.com/bigcalm/Twitter-IRC-Gateway
[09:57] <AlanBell> christel: I have no idea
[09:57] <gord> hehe yes you do bigcalm, yes you do
[09:57] <bigcalm> gord: svn is much simpler for my little brain :)
[10:04] <bigcalm> Now, my project uses 2 files from another github repo. I haven't included them in my repo yet, wondering what the accepted method is
[10:04] <dogmatic69> git submodules
[10:05] <JamesTait> The menu in the upper-right corner, where we find Update Manager and Shutdown and such-like. Is that the Session Indicator?
[10:05] <dogmatic69> git submodule add <repo_url> path/to/where/it/goes
[10:06] <JamesTait> I ask because it's not present on my machine after upgrading to Precise and I want to file a bug.
[10:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:08] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: repo_url being git://github.com/foo/bar.git ?
[10:08] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you want the public address, so its https://something last time i checked
[10:08] <dogmatic69> if you open the repo in question the url is at the top
[10:09] <dogmatic69> just above the files list
[10:09] <bigcalm> It is, but there is a git option for the URL as well
[10:09] <bigcalm> I'll use the https version
[10:09] <dogmatic69> there is ssh, http, read only
[10:09] <dogmatic69> either http or read only will work for you
[10:09] <dogmatic69> ssh will not allow others to check the submodules out
[10:10] <bigcalm> You need to run this command from the toplevel of the working tree.
[10:10] <bigcalm> That's annoying
[10:10] <dogmatic69> yep
[10:10] <dogmatic69> its once of thing
[10:11] <bigcalm> Found that I can use the git:// url
[10:11] <dogmatic69> yep, just saw that is the read only url
[10:12] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: i made a horrible script for importing branches and tags from svn to git if you like
[10:12] <bigcalm> It's ok
[10:12] <bigcalm> I did an svn export and copied the files in
[10:12] <dogmatic69> it starts off like #!/bin/php5
[10:13] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: you can import it with all the history
[10:13] <dogmatic69> git svn ftw
[10:13] <bigcalm> As the repo was only on revision 8, I didn't mind losing the commit messages
[10:13] <bigcalm> Or the revision history
[10:13] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:13] <dogmatic69> ok
[10:26] <oimon> there seems to be a lot of numpties out there retweeting/sharing an old BBC april fools story about tv signals :(
[10:29] <dogmatic69> oimon: got a link handy?
[10:29] <oimon> e.g. https://plus.google.com/115982047784351676092/posts
[10:30] <oimon> this guy has been told, but loads of others are forwarding/sharing
[10:30] <oimon> without engaging brain
[10:31] <dogmatic69> the missing dr episodes?
[10:35] <oimon> dogmatic69: yeah
[10:35] <oimon> unrelated to the slashdot story about missing dr who episodes
[10:36] <dogmatic69> i heard something the other day on bbc about a found missing dr episode, but that was in some old geezers cupboard, not bouncing back from outer space
[10:37] <oimon> yeah lol
[10:37] <DJones> dogmatic69: I read about that, sadly, for one of them, the other 3 episodes in the story were still lost
[10:43] <gordonjcp> oimon: got to wonder what the path loss over 100 light years would be
[10:44] <gord> all the episodes would have a red tint to them
[10:44] <oimon> i have seen one DVD of dr who which has 2 filmed episodes and 2 animation - really good
[10:45]  * dogmatic69 has never watched dr who
[10:46] <oimon> oh
[10:46] <oimon> wow
[10:46] <oimon> :)
[10:46] <dogmatic69> not my cup of tea :P
[10:46] <oimon> the best time to watch it was the 80s
[10:46] <dogmatic69> top gear, how its made and myth busters is pretty much all my tell shows ;)
[10:46]  * oimon can't stand the soap operas in space e.g. star trek etc
[10:47]  * oimon is enjoying the forbrydelsen atm
[10:47] <bigcalm> Piiiiiiigs Iiiiiiin Spaaaaaaaaaaace
[10:47] <bigcalm> I fear that many here won't be old enough to get the reference
[10:47] <dwatkins> Muppets are awesome
[10:50] <oimon> i liked them as a child, but now i'm grown up :)
[10:52] <DJones> I never liked the muppets
[10:54] <oimon> puncture proof tyres - are they real and are they any good?
[10:58] <dogmatic69> :O http://t.co/5jMC2DbJ
[10:58] <dogmatic69> 1 trillion frames per second camera
[11:03] <Seeker`> dogmatic69: I think it is a significantly lower fps camera, just with the same scene imaged again and again with very precise offsets in when the shutter starts
[11:04] <Seeker`> (not able to watch the video atm)
[11:05] <AlanBell> that is basically what they are doing, there is something clever going on, but it isn't being described very well
[11:05] <oimon> t-mobile users can use orange 3G signal now too
[11:09] <dogmatic69> seems like it does not take pictures, but records data and then fed to a pc to render as a video / picture
[11:09] <dogmatic69> cant listen to the audio, just reading other links
[11:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dan Fish] GU10 halogen bulbs are bad  a year on - http://www.ossmedicine.org/home_automation/12/gu10-halogen-bulbs-are-bad-a-year-on/
[11:41] <davmor2> morning all
[11:41] <dogmatic69> o/
[11:42] <czajkowski> davmor2: Good morning how are you this fine day ?
[11:42] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 czajkowski
[11:42] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello chappy
[11:42] <davmor2> I hate christmas when it comes to standard shopping  20 minutes at the cash point, 45 minutes in Iceland queue for 4 things, 10 minutes waiting in the queue for the mother-in-law denture fix
[11:43] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: stop whineing, it's nothing new to you, you do it every year :p and yes i'm a grumpy sod today
[11:43] <czajkowski> and every other day
[11:43] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oi i'm not grumpy every day
[11:43] <davmor2> czajkowski: read above I'm annoyed
[11:43] <gord> some of us are smart and shop online ;)
[11:44]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 awww there there
[11:44] <czajkowski> yup all done and wrapped
[11:44] <czajkowski> in the suitcase
[11:44]  * MooDoo hugs davmor2  :D
[11:45] <davmor2> I wouldn't mind but this year they are only likely to be close 2 days you'd think it was world war 3 at least
[11:45] <MooDoo> oooo panic buying
[11:45] <popey> I have a massive stack of amazon boxes next to me. we did 99% of our xmas shopping on amazon
[11:46] <MooDoo> the wife did 99% of our shopping, that will do me :D
[11:46] <Myrtti> I wish I had the guts to give my sister our amazon wishlists
[11:46] <czajkowski> that reminds me I must cancel my amazon prime ac
[11:46] <czajkowski> was very handy to get things delivered next day
[11:46] <Myrtti> atleast that way the stuff would be in UK instead of us needing to haul the stuff in our luggage
[11:47]  * MooDoo has already had his christmas present and is going to use it tomorrow
[11:47] <popey> Myrtti: for years I have used amazon wishlist as my 'this is my xmas list'
[11:47] <czajkowski> Myrtti: I'm sure if you explain that to her it'd make sense
[11:47] <gord> i'm never cancelling my amazon prime account ever, its too wonderful, even if i can't use it i'll keep it
[11:47] <davmor2> christmas stuff we buy from parks hampers through out the year this was like milk bread coffee whitener etc standard  shopping
[11:47] <Myrtti> popey: I know, but Amazon isn't widely used in Finland
[11:47] <czajkowski> gord: just had a months free trial
[11:48] <popey> ahh
[11:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: my mum gives us an asda card she's been putting money on through out the year, comes in handy in jan :D
[11:48] <czajkowski> MooDoo: nice idea
[11:48] <czajkowski> popey: what are the kiddies getting from Santa, do you still have santa in the house ?
[11:48] <danfish> when I announced I'd done my xmas shopping on amazon, my wife was furious - "that's so lazy and shows lack of thought"
[11:48] <popey> We do
[11:49] <popey> One of her friends figured it out and has been sworn to secrecy
[11:49] <popey> so I dont think we have long
[11:49] <danfish> do amazon sell wives :P
[11:49] <MooDoo> my 3 year old can't wait for santa :D  we did him a video message from portable north pole :D
[11:49] <MooDoo> http://www.portablenorthpole.tv/home
[11:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: we basically do the same thing but we buy the vouchers that we can use at iceland, sainsburys and else where
[11:49] <czajkowski> danfish: it shows a lot of thought to sit down and wade through all the stuff
[11:49]  * Myrtti stops herself from starting a religious debate over where Santa lives
[11:50] <Seeker`> O.o
[11:50] <danfish> czajkowski: true - in my defence to *do* wrap the presents myself
[11:50] <czajkowski> though I do like popeys idea of a wish list can then be used for random gifts. would make my head less exploding when I've to think of gifts for some folks
[11:50] <danfish> (badly)
[11:51] <czajkowski> aye I did that on Saturday night here , I hate wrapping.
[11:51] <czajkowski> and I tormented myself more by adding string and bows to them
[11:51] <davmor2> Myrtti: and so you should of course he does :P
[11:52] <Myrtti> davmor2: sorry, not participating
[11:53] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're a tease :D
[11:53] <dwatkins> I shy away from any religious debate in general.
[11:53] <dwatkins> I don't mind so long as people don't hassle me with their thoughts.
[11:54] <Myrtti> dwatkins: this would be the discussion over is it North Pole/Norway/Sweden/Iceland/Finland
[11:54] <Seeker`> North Pole ofc :P
[11:54] <dwatkins> Myrtti: so basically "where does the myth say he lives"
[11:54] <Seeker`> dwatkins: not a myth :P
[11:55] <dwatkins> Seeker`: you can believe that all you want, I respectfully agree to disagree :)
[11:55] <davmor2> czajkowski: you seem rather chipper this morning any good news you want to share with the class?
[11:55]  * Myrtti is not participating
[11:55]  * dwatkins steals davmor2's pen
[11:55] <danfish> He lives in Swindon. Father Christmas was privatised in 2006 and sold off.
[11:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: no sir
[11:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: i think we need to start abusing her again?
[11:56] <christel> who are you abusing today?
[11:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: true I'm pretty sure it's against the rules somewhere for czajkowski to be this jolly especially when we are grumpy
[11:57] <davmor2> christel: there's only one person we ever abuse
[11:57] <MooDoo> christel: czajkowski me and davmor2 need to start abusing her again, she's far to chipper
[11:57] <christel> aww
[11:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[11:57] <christel> Myrtti: what's the url for this G+ secret santa thing?
[11:57]  * MooDoo prods christel, just so you know how we roll :D
[11:58]  * czajkowski gives a group hug to MooDoo and davmor2
[11:58] <christel> MooDoo: oh i do enjoy a good poke before lunch
[11:58] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oi behave....none of that nonsense please
[11:59] <MooDoo> christel: prod i said prod....dirty dirty
[11:59] <Myrtti> christel: https://plus.google.com/113269791493257695508/posts - G+ tag #gplussanta
[11:59] <czajkowski> *hugs*
[12:00] <christel> MooDoo: er prod. i meant prod. honest guv
[12:00] <MooDoo> christel: now i know how you roll :D
[12:01] <davmor2> christel: It still sounds no cleaner when you say enjoy a good in the same sentence
[12:01] <christel> Myrtti: how does it work, as in, do you just pick someone random?
[12:01] <christel> or does it assign someone to you
[12:01] <Myrtti> christel: not totally random: https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/hBxkKC1dy4M
[12:01] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm thinking it's not only czajkowski that needs abuse, christel appears to want it too
[12:02] <Myrtti> christel: but of course you can pick whoever you want
[12:03] <Myrtti> the person who curates the spreadsheet picks your name if you tag your wishlist g+ post right
[12:03] <oimon> santa's dead
[12:03] <czajkowski> oimon: you're such a grinch
[12:03] <oimon> :D
[12:04] <dwatkins> Santa violates the laws of physics ;)
[12:04] <christel> Myrtti: aha!
[12:04] <davmor2> oimon: take it back, you fowl evil blasphemer
[12:04] <oimon> never!
[12:04] <oimon> it's what i'm telling my son too :)
[12:04] <MooDoo> "burn the witch"
[12:04] <MooDoo> oh wrong film.
[12:04] <davmor2> dwatkins: no he doesn't he just utilises the timezones really effectively
[12:04] <davmor2> stone him stone him
[12:04] <davmor2> oh wrong film
[12:05] <oimon> i don't recall ever believing in santa
[12:05] <czajkowski> oimon: mate of mine her sister used to take her kid away on holidays for xmas as she didnt believe in it. until the child was 5 and was upset at hearing how thins person visited good children so she had to give in
[12:05] <MooDoo> "he's not the messaih, he's a very naughty boy"
[12:05] <dw1> msg nickserv identify 3940321
[12:05] <czajkowski> :)
[12:05] <MooDoo> missed the / there mate D:
[12:05] <dw1> hmmm
[12:05] <DJones> password change time dw1
[12:05] <dw1> It's OK: I trust all of you implicitly
[12:05] <czajkowski> oimon: grinch
[12:06] <Laney> this is why i always do that in a query
[12:06] <dwatkins> it's a public channel, dw1 ;)
[12:06] <MooDoo> dw1: crazy fool :D
[12:06] <oimon>  czajkowski lol, if it was an intellgent child i would explain that it was their parents buying the pressies and pretending. but let's keep it our secret
[12:06] <DJones> dw1: You trust us? We don't even trust ourselves :)
[12:06] <dwatkins> I could be anyone, an imposter with the same initials, dw1 ;)
[12:06] <oimon> oimon jr will get pressies, just not from santa
[12:06] <BigRedS> dwatkins: It's also publicly logged
[12:06] <MooDoo> DJones: don't worry we won't say anything, i'll leave twitter to do that for me ;)
[12:06] <dwatkins> BigRedS: good point
[12:07] <czajkowski> oimon: grinch.
[12:07] <davmor2> dw1: You know this is #ubuntu-uk right this isn't a channel of trust, this is a channel of evil abuse and practical joking ;)
[12:07] <oimon> jesus > santa :)
[12:07] <MooDoo> with davmor2 being the biggest joke of all :D
[12:07] <czajkowski> oimon: ok lets not start with religion shall we
[12:07]  * MooDoo loves davmor2  :)
[12:07] <czajkowski> MooDoo: you follow closely on his heels to be fair
[12:08] <oimon> my mistake i thought we were taling about christmas.:)
[12:08] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yeah we've got a love hate relationship with you :) we love you, you hate us :D
[12:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: the quote is off mate, it's we love to hate each other :)
[12:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: i don't hate czajkowski she's not bad really....
[12:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: we'll soon know if she gets a pressie off santa :)
[12:10] <MooDoo> :D
[12:12] <oimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_suit
[12:13]  * oimon is confused
[12:13] <oimon> not sure who to believe anymore about the santa red suit - coca cola or not?
[12:14] <AlanBell> if you can't trust the coca cola corporation who can you trust?
[12:14] <Seeker`> http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/10/coke-denies-claims-it-bottled-familiar-santa/
[12:15] <BigRedS> I've seen several people claim that coca cola didn't do it
[12:15] <oimon> coke influenced the change in a big way, surely
[12:15] <BigRedS> I've also tried to convince people that Santa caused Coca Cola to switch from green to red
[12:15] <oimon> they publicised it
[12:16] <BigRedS> So there's a bunch of 6/7 year olds who, in another five or six years, will be internet pedants telling people off for spouting lies about a green santa :)
[12:16] <davmor2> Santa was all green and brown prior to coke doing the red and white to make it stand out and look appealing was my understanding
[12:17] <oimon> davmor2: althought the articles linked to up there suggest otherwise, although coke seemed to popularise it
[12:17] <oimon> or at least cemented the red suit change, while the red/green/tan debate was in flux
[12:18] <Seeker`> a Cola to switch from green to red
[12:18] <Seeker`> -12:15:41- :oimon : they publicised it
[12:18] <Seeker`> http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp
[12:18] <gord> its something everyone knows and everyone says as fact, so i tend to think its an urban myth
[12:18] <Seeker`> damn putty
[12:18] <BigRedS> Seeker`: it's a feature! :)
[12:19] <Seeker`> "A standardized Santa Claus appears to New York children. Height, weight, statures are almost exactly standardized, as are the red garments"
[12:19] <Seeker`> From a NYT article 4 years before coke's advertising campaign
[12:20] <DJones> I'm surprised that the stereotypical image of santa isn't a McDonalds idea, bulging stomach etc :)
[12:20] <oimon> that's the yanks. we had green first , so something changed
[12:20] <dwatkins> I thought it was Coca Cola that invented the image of Santa we have today.
[12:20] <davmor2> oimon: you're opinions don't count it's not the summer time ;)
[12:20] <dwatkins> oh right, I see Seeker`'s link now
[12:20] <directhex> DJones, now that you mention it, Col. Sanders is santa in japan
[12:20] <oimon> col sanders is rolf harris
[12:21] <DJones> directhex: Seriously?
[12:21] <directhex> DJones, 2-week waiting list for xmas kfc.
[12:22] <oimon> Seeker`: from the article, " All this isn't to say that Coca-Cola didn't have <U>anything</U> to do with cementing the modern image of Santa Claus in the public consciousness."
[12:22] <DJones> directhex: Google has just explained that http://www.tofugu.com/2010/12/24/kfc-japan-christmas/
[12:23] <Seeker`> oimon: It sounds like there was a popular perception of santa, which is the same as we have today, and due to the colour scheme match coke decided to jump on the bandwagon
[12:23] <shauno> I was fairly certain the cola thing was just myth
[12:24] <Seeker`> they didn't create it, it was popular enough to be in a NYT article 4 years earlier, they just pushed it
[12:24] <oimon> they probably cemented the standard though, and globalised it. although i hope that russia's father frost still wears white
[12:24] <directhex> DJones, i said i wasn't kidding!
[12:24] <DJones> directhex: I'm speechless at that
[12:24] <oimon> i like how the people who started this have run away
[12:25] <Seeker`> oimon: they didn't cement the standard, it was already a standard 4 years earlier
[12:25] <shauno> 4 years?
[12:25] <oimon> colonel saunders is dead too
[12:25] <Seeker`> shauno: read what I said about the NYT article
[12:25] <shauno> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sinter-claes-saint-nicolas-dam800.jpg  that's 16thC.  less wool, more saint, still red & white
[12:26] <directhex> Seeker`, nobody cares that apple didn't have the first mp3 player - theirs is the one everyone remembers. no matter the chronology, coca cola are forever tied to santa.
[12:26] <oimon> is he drowning babies?
[12:26] <directhex> oimon, everyone needs a hobby.
[12:26] <oimon> baby eating bishop of bath and wells
[12:26] <Seeker`> directhex: mistakenly, yes. But that doesn't mean that history has now changed and that they actually did invent the image
[12:27] <directhex> Seeker`, as pointed out, they were a driving force in globalizing that image
[12:27]  * oimon just finished 1984 again
[12:28] <Seeker`> directhex: it still doesn't mean that they created the red santa image -_-
[12:28] <oimon> Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.
[12:28] <Seeker`> 12:13:27- :oimon : not sure who to believe anymore about the santa red suit - coca cola or not?
[12:28] <shauno> pft, I learnt thatin C&C red alert \o/
[12:28] <Seeker`> ^ Not
[12:29] <shauno> I also find it interesting that people are willing to take snopes as canonical, given that they've a history of completely inventing their sources
[12:29] <oimon> agree. not invented but popularised a meme at the time
[12:30] <oimon> my reply was to Seeker`
[12:30] <oimon> santa must be turning in his grave at all this
[12:31] <oimon> we can still be against the red suit as it's an americanism though, right?
[12:32] <Seeker`> WRT snopes inventing things, here is the NYT article, if you can be bothered to pay for it: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30610FF355B157A93C5AB178AD95F438285F9&scp=1&sq=a+standardized+santa+claus&st=p
[12:33] <shauno> it's not so much that it's an americanism; more they they threw the existing st nicks / sinterklaus / etc in a blender
[12:33] <oimon> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091967/Santa-Claus-illegal-immigrant-declares-Kremlin-official-Christmas-Cold-War.html
[12:36] <BigRedS> shauno: surely that's a predictable byproduct of society in general becoming more secular, but still craving a festival of light at the solstice?
[12:37] <BigRedS> More than being some american evil influence - they were/are pretty late to the secular party
[12:37] <oimon> one big reason not to move to australia..chrimbo should be cold and with a chance of snow
[12:38] <dogmatic69> oimon: s/australia/southern hemisphere
[12:38] <oimon> +1
[12:39] <dogmatic69> that Russian father christmas looks much more bad ass than the normal father christmas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ded_Moroz
[12:40] <DJones> oimon: Barbecued christmas turkey is amazing
[12:41] <dogmatic69> in South Africa Christmas normally consists of BBQ, swimming and sun burn
[12:43] <BigRedS> From what I gather, most things in SA consist of that
[12:43] <BigRedS> I've met a lot
[12:43] <BigRedS> of South Africans working in the UK grumbling about a lack of BBQs and sun
[12:44] <oimon> but not grumbling about the exchange rate
[12:44] <oimon> otherwise they would still be in SA
[12:44] <BigRedS> Haha, no
[12:46] <oimon> anyone know what the 2GT means onthe description of intel xeon E3-1245 8M , 2GT is?
[12:48] <Myrtti> http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/ <-- webcast from CERN, press conference starts in ~12 minutes
[12:48] <MooDoo> oimon: giga transfers per second
[12:49] <oimon> MooDoo: thanks...however the E3-1270 has 0GT?
[12:49] <davmor2> oimon: it's the new measurement system, giant turnips
[12:49] <gord> oimon, same thing as xp?
[12:49] <MooDoo> or take your pick - http://www.acronymfinder.com/GT.html
[12:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know mine would be better
[12:50] <oimon> http://ark.intel.com/compare/52274,52276 suggests 5GT ...now confused
[12:51] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ohh thanks
[12:52] <shauno> 5 sounds more like it .. you need 5GT/s for pcie 2.0
[12:53] <davmor2> Myrtti: is this the one where they apologies for slowly sucking the world into a black hole but it really was in the name of science? ;)
[12:53] <Myrtti> tis a secret
[12:55] <oimon> isn't this the cern webcast? http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
[12:55] <shauno> not a fan of press conferences for that kinda thing.  especially since nasa got me all excited about aliens, and then announced they'd found arsenic in arizona or something silly
[12:55] <oimon> wow everyone is using macbooks
[12:56] <shauno> heh, I spotted a guy with a purple bow tie who had a PC
[12:57] <oimon> as a part-time sound engineer, i hate it when people tap mics to see if they are on
[12:57] <oimon> it's not gonna work cos i muted it while you tap it
[12:58] <gord> heh, i like how it sais "now available on iphone and ipad" at the top
[12:58] <Myrtti> Myrtti's fist of annoyance deployed to Switzerland in 3, 2...
[12:58] <oimon> researchers tend to have big IT grants so they buy apple cos they have money to burn IME
[12:58] <gord> everyone keeps saying flash is dead and that html5 is amazing, but everything in the entire universe is still flash
[12:59] <dogmatic69> gord: even adobe has admitted defeat to html5
[13:00] <gord> oh yeah, defeat. when adobe's flash has 99.99999999% of the implientations ;) they just want to get around apple
[13:00] <shauno> I very rarely actually notice things that need flash
[13:01] <czajkowski> ahh had volume up very loud
[13:01] <dogmatic69> i use my ipad a lot for general surfing and hardly ever encounter flash
[13:01] <gord> well yeah, because you use an ipad
[13:02] <gord> i have the same experience with flashblock on my desktop
[13:02] <dogmatic69> ye, but surfing reddit etc so its just random links from all over
[13:02] <oimon> the stream is stuttering a bit
[13:02] <dogmatic69> the odd youtube video wont work and that is about that
[13:03] <gord> dogmatic69, so, a thousand img.ur links then?
[13:03] <Myrtti> SHE USES COMIC SANS
[13:03] <Myrtti> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[13:03] <dogmatic69> gord: :D
[13:03] <czajkowski> Myrtti: inhale
[13:03] <czajkowski> Myrtti: exhale
[13:03] <gord> she uses comic sans a *lot*
[13:04] <Myrtti> ;___;
[13:04] <oimon> i'm more annoyed that she is holding her tie mic
[13:04] <gord> giving presentations is scary, nice to have things for your hands to do
[13:04] <shauno> I gave up watching because the stream was static more often than it was streaming
[13:05] <Myrtti> oimon: that as well
[13:05] <oimon> holding the tie mic means the cable causes a lot of noise, and is too close to mouth
[13:05] <oimon> there's a handheld mic there on the desk
[13:05] <gord> animated clipart!
[13:05] <oimon> agh
[13:05] <oimon> this is from the 90s
[13:06] <gord> t-minus 10 seconds to keyboard cat i swear.
[13:06] <oimon> t-10 till i have a seizure
[13:08] <knightwise> Morning
[13:08] <MooDoo> afternoon
[13:09] <knightwise> Hey Moodoo  , how are you today
[13:09] <MooDoo> knightwise: i'm well, busy at work but ok
[13:10] <knightwise> same here
[13:10] <knightwise> although ,i'm having a bit of a lazy afternoon this afternoon
[13:10] <MooDoo> pah!
[13:27] <daubers> Hooray \o/ I broke quickly
[13:27] <dogmatic69> ?
[13:28] <daubers> Create a new application with quickly create and it barfs trying to run it. It sits and waits for a dbus reply from couchdb which isn't running
[13:29] <AlanBell> dunno what they are doing about quickly now they are dropping desktop couch
[13:29]  * AlanBell quite likes couchdb
[13:29] <daubers> does quickly require couchdb? Or can it just be yanked from the templates?
[13:29] <AlanBell> could be yanked from the templates
[13:31]  * daubers yoinks it from his
[13:31] <daubers> urgh, it's a bit ingrained
[13:34] <daubers> ah ha
[13:34] <daubers> got rid of it
[14:11] <smittix> hmm, trying to connect to a vnc machine on port 1. but remmina doesnt seem to like IP:PORT.
[14:12] <smittix> Anyone else use remmina and vnc?
[14:13] <oimon> you mean port 5901?
[14:14] <smittix> Ive changed the port number on the server
[14:14] <smittix> actually
[14:14] <oimon> vnc usually uses 5900+ the port number
[14:15] <smittix> Tried all sorts to connect
[14:16] <smittix> I can connect using ultravnc from a win7 box. but not using remmina on a linux machine
[14:16] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:16] <AlanBell> hi s-fox
[14:16] <s-fox> Hello AlanBell .
[14:16] <s-fox> How are you?
[14:16] <MooDoo> s-fox: howdy
[14:16] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo .
[14:16] <s-fox> How are you?
[14:17] <MooDoo> s-fox: bit stressed at work, but ah not too bad
[14:17] <MooDoo> s-fox: what about you?  having fun today?
[14:19] <s-fox> Why are you stressed MooDoo ?
[14:19] <MooDoo> s-fox: stressed is probably not the correct word, it's just manic and never ending :D
[14:20] <s-fox> My cow-orkers in USA have just woken up so I am having my patience tried
[14:20] <s-fox> lol, cow-workers
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> moo
[14:20] <MooDoo> s-fox: lol beat them with virtual sticks.
[14:30] <oimon> any tomcat dudes in here?
[14:30] <oimon> struggling to get started with it :(
[14:30] <oimon> the index page worked but not much else does
[14:31] <oimon> n The requested resource (/host-manager/html) is not available.
[14:32] <oimon> ah.../usr/share/tomcat was wrong...uising /var/lib/tomcat6 instead
[14:38] <davmor2> oimon: I'm a Tom Cat fan I just wish he would finish off Jerry Mouse once and for all though ;)
[14:50] <andylockran> oimon: tomcat6 is the bane of my life :p
[14:50] <oimon> having bad problems getting webmathematica to work without much documentation
[14:50] <oimon> different issues with ubuntu and centos
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> webmathematica? you mean wolframalpha? *runs*
[14:52] <oimon> it's rubbish when you have to do it blind
[14:53] <oimon> SEVERE: Servlet.service() for servlet jsp threw exception
[14:53] <andylockran> oimon: I don't understand enough tomcat
[14:53] <oimon> i don't have a clue
[14:54] <oimon> nor does google
[14:54] <Laney> my lovely cloak!
[14:55]  * Laney strokes it
[14:57] <oimon> oh my.....it seems to be working on ubuntu
[14:57] <s-fox> MooDoo,  How goes getting people to contribute to your blog?
[14:58] <cliftonts> Hi all, is popey about at all?
[14:58] <MooDoo> s-fox: getting blood out of a stone
[14:58] <popey> cliftonts: i am
[14:59] <cliftonts> hi, I've just been reading about adding my blog to planet ubuntu
[14:59] <cliftonts> and just like any ubuntu related wiki I can't edit the page to add myself
[14:59] <cliftonts> I just hoped you might know why
[15:00] <popey> cliftonts: go to launchpad.net, do you see your name in the top right?
[15:01] <cliftonts> yup
[15:02] <cliftonts> popey: yes
[15:03] <davmor2> cliftonts: have you logged into the wiki?
[15:03] <popey> cliftonts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet do you see 'Login' at the top?
[15:04] <cliftonts> popey: yes, this one gives me no editing options. The last one I tried had an editing bar when I tried but it was empty
[15:04] <popey> hang on
[15:04] <popey> do you see 'Login' at the top
[15:04] <popey> ?
[15:04] <cliftonts> No I see logout at the top
[15:08] <cliftonts> popey: I've tried logging out and back in. Now it has my details on the 'single sign on screen' but has hung saying 'connecting' in the tab title.
[15:09] <popey> it takes a while
[15:09] <popey> i just tried it, be patient
[15:10] <popey> revisit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet and refresh the page, see if you are logged in?
[15:10] <cliftonts> popey: I've got it now. The edit button is visible. I'm really not getting along with these wiki pages. I don't think they like me!
[15:10] <popey> nah, it's just slow
[15:11] <oimon> this webmathematica thing is pretty cool
[15:12] <davmor2> cliftonts: unfortunately there is more than one person editing them at a time so it tends to be slow :(
[15:13] <BigRedS>  button is visible. I'm
[15:13] <cliftonts> davmor2: It's not the slow that gets me. It's the fact it's taken me a month for it to offer me a working edit screen at all!
[15:13] <BigRedS>  button is visible. I'm
[15:13] <BigRedS> Hmm
[15:13]  * BigRedS can't even blame putty
[15:13] <davmor2> BigRedS: is a parrot
[15:14] <BigRedS> Ah! Bit of lunch wedged between the left and middle mouse buttons
[15:15] <KrimZon_2> heh
[15:15] <cliftonts> Wow! It worked!
[15:15] <cliftonts> finally!
[15:15] <cliftonts> thanks guys
[15:15] <cliftonts> how long does it usually take to get reviewed and accepted for planet?
[15:18] <Mjolinor> can anyone tell me how to stop a PS2 mouse working in 10.04. I want to use it for something else so don't want X to get it
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> Mjolinor: that's going to be harder than you think
[15:19] <Mjolinor> I thought that an entry in xorg.conf pointing the mouse to /dev/input/mouse2 (my usb mouse) instead of /dev/input/mice would do the trick
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> as all input devices are equal, according to the kernel
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> Automatic detection of pointer devices always runs, I think?
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> even if you manually define one
[15:20] <Mjolinor> it seems so, the log shows it finding it and installing it despite it not being declared in xorg
[15:20] <gord> eh, you can use xinput to disable this stuff
[15:21] <popey> cliftonts: it's updating now
[15:21] <Mjolinor> I looked at xinput
[15:21] <cliftonts> oh right. Thanks
[15:21] <Mjolinor> thought it was only for defiing buttons and things, I will look again, see if I can disable a device in there
[15:22] <gord> Mjolinor, something like "xinput set-int-prop "3Dconnexion SpaceNavigator" "Device Enabled" 8 0" according to my googling
[15:22] <Mjolinor> :o
[15:22] <gord> i've done something similar (long while ago) to disable a touchpad
[15:27] <Mjolinor> that did it :)
[15:27] <Mjolinor> thank you
[15:27] <gord> np
[15:27] <oimon> gord ftw
[15:35] <BigRedS> Is there a way to tell SSH to continue connecting to a machine with a fingerprint it's not seen before?
[15:35] <BigRedS> without prompting - I want to script this
[15:35] <ali1234> yes
[15:36] <BigRedS> oh goody
[15:36] <BigRedS> I've only just opened the man page
[15:36] <ali1234> something in ssh_config
[15:36] <BigRedS> it's probably in here
[15:36] <ali1234> CheckHostIP
[15:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone confirm this upgrade route works OK? Want to upgrade a customer's machine from 9.10 to 10.04 and would rather not have to wait for hours for t' Internet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades#AlternateUpgrade
[15:38] <ali1234> and StrictHostKeyChecking
[15:38] <BigRedS> ali1234: aha, yeah, I just found those
[15:38] <BigRedS> ta!
[15:39] <ali1234> there's a way to turn those off for eg the LAN
[15:39] <ali1234> that is, by an IP range
[15:39] <BigRedS> it's just for one script, so ssh -o should work
[15:40] <ali1234> yeah, it's handy to turn it off for LAN if you have dynamic addresses
[15:40] <ali1234> or if you keep making new virtual machines or something like that
[15:40] <BigRedS> this is for messing around with ec2, which seem to be as dynamic as they get
[15:40] <gord> thats neat, didn't know that
[15:57] <awilkins> I need a drink.  I wonder if I should take the hint...
[16:05] <danfish> ..nothing ventured....
[16:07] <awilkins> It would be much more interesting if they actually put wages on them, I suppose it cuts both ways though. If you stick a wage on, you know whether the company is prepared to pay what you deserve... but it also limits the pool of applicants you receive
[16:07] <MooDoo> awilkins: it's happened to me :D
[16:08] <awilkins> MooDoo, The "reposted a job you applied for already without telling you why you didn't get it or even if they looked at your CV" phenomenon?
[16:09] <awilkins> I suppose they could just be short on candidates and haven't made up their mind yet...
[16:09] <gord> canonical are always hiring, chances are that its just another position open :)
[16:09] <MooDoo> :)
[16:09] <awilkins> I think the Job Code is the same number, off the top of my head
[16:12] <oimon> canonical is not the only company in the world though
[16:12] <oimon> many others allow useful open source work
[16:12] <awilkins> There is that, I suppose
[16:12] <MooDoo> and that includes your good self if i'm not mistaken oimon
[16:13] <awilkins> It's mostly an expression of dissatisfaction with my current job
[16:13] <MooDoo> awilkins: what you do now?
[16:13] <oimon> yes although i may have been stitched up regarding getting a new permanent staff member :(
[16:13] <awilkins> I work for the NHS IT programme
[16:13] <oimon> awilkins: check jobs.ac.uk
[16:15] <awilkins> I'm currently having to extend and maintain some software that we didn't have a hand in writing .. let's be charitable and say that it could be better.
[16:16] <gordonjcp> awilkins: where is that?
[16:17] <awilkins> gordonjcp, My office is in Leeds, but I work at home a couple of days a week
[16:17] <awilkins> gordonjcp, We have offices in Redditch and Exeter to, I believe
[16:17] <gordonjcp> awilkins: ah right
[16:17] <gordonjcp> awilkins: nothing to do with NES then?
[16:18] <gordonjcp> just wondered if you'd ever run across Kyle Gordon
[16:18] <awilkins> gordonjcp, Nope, I work for the Data Standards & Products dept ; we deal in models of healthcare data, messaging standards (which are really the same thing but over a wire) and ontologies / terminologies.
[16:20] <gordonjcp> ah, okay, Kyle's more infrastructure stuff
[16:21] <awilkins> Most of my work seems to orbit around version control systems
[16:22] <awilkins> Introduced SVN to the department some years ago (they had spent 2 years deciding between CVS and Visual SourceSafe but hadn't made up their minds yet)
[16:22] <awilkins> Introduced Bazaar for a particular project with a branch/edit/merge + fancy diff report workflow
[16:23] <awilkins> And now I'm working on software that has an internal version control schema that makes RCS look modern.
[16:23] <awilkins> Hence the urge to test the water elsewhere ...
[16:25] <awilkins> What I really want to do is do git, but for arbitrary object models not limited to filesystems... I'm sure it can be made to work, but all my time and energy is consumed by other things...
[16:25] <awilkins> I'm getting old
[16:32] <oimon> aren't we all :)
[16:35] <jutnux> I wish I was older :-(
[16:36] <oimon> lol!
[16:37] <oimon> never heard someone say that before
[16:37] <oimon> unless they were 16
[16:37] <bigcalm> jussi: don't wish your life away
[16:37] <oimon> and wanted to buy beer
[16:37] <bigcalm> You can't buy beer at 16? I did :)
[16:37]  * awilkins was able to buy beer from age 15 without difficulties, but times were different
[16:37] <oimon> big brother is watching you
[16:38] <jutnux> oimon: Guess what, I am 16 ;)
[16:38] <oimon> :D
[16:38] <awilkins> They were announcing in the supermarket they are going to start carding anyone under the age of 24
[16:38] <awilkins> (or who appears so)
[16:38] <bigcalm> awilkins: my lady is 39 and still gets asked for id
[16:38] <bigcalm> She hates it
[16:38] <oimon> i was in the bowling alley the other day and the guy started carding everyone indiscrimaintely
[16:38] <oimon> i just walked around the back of him, the cheek of it
[16:38] <awilkins> Mind, I found the most satisfying way to get hold of alcohol was to brew my own
[16:39] <oimon> alcohol is incredibly overrated, i've found
[16:39] <oimon> my interest in it peaked around 21-25
[16:39] <awilkins> Well, alcohol is overrated as a drug, but I do enjoy a nice drink
[16:40] <awilkins> I think most of the complaints are because people mismanage their dose
[16:40] <awilkins> Usually the kind of people who use the phrase "getting leathered"
[16:43] <jutnux> I could say that I love getting smashed every weekend but then I'd be lying
[16:43] <jutnux> I pretty much never drink, only at Christmas.
[16:44] <oimon> britain suffers from a disease of drunkenness - my town centre is carnage around 11pm on a friday night
[16:44] <awilkins> Yeah, it's nuts.
[16:44] <awilkins> My daughter will be introduced to alcohol in the continental stylee
[16:44] <gordonjcp> makes sense
[16:44] <awilkins> Didn't do me any harm <hic>
[16:45] <oimon> i did abuse it when i was at uni..to my shame
[16:45] <awilkins> Yeah, same here... was always a cheap drunk through. Three pints or a bottle of wine and I'm done.
[16:46] <jutnux> oimon: People in my school get "leathered" every friday and saturday.
[16:46] <oimon> jutnux: and then boast about it
[16:47] <jutnux> Yes. So annoying.
[16:47] <jutnux> Along with huge amounts of drugs and nicotine.
[16:48] <jutnux> nicotine + thousands of other carcinogens.
[16:48] <oimon>  i'm 36 now and those who are addicted to smoking since age of 16 have a lot to be unhappy about
[16:49] <jutnux> Glad I don't smoke haha.
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cigars FTW!
[16:53] <awilkins> I've never smoked, but I have considered trying electronic ciggies  / nicotine inhalers recently
[16:53] <awilkins> Just to see if they are beneficial to the brain chemistry
[16:53] <oimon> :-\
[16:53] <s-fox> *sigh*
[16:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can't beat a good cigar IMHO. Cigarettes taste foul.
[16:53] <awilkins> Like the new Sherlock  ; "It's a three [nicotine] patch problem"
[16:53]  * oimon pokes s-fox
[16:54]  * s-fox pokes back
[16:54] <jutnux> Oh my God the new sherlock looks so good
[16:54] <oimon> new series?
[16:54] <awilkins> Or the new Sherlock movie?
[16:54] <dogmatic69> movie
[16:55]  * awilkins meant the BBC TV series starting Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman, not the new movie with Iron Man and Gigolo Joe.
[16:55] <oimon> when's it restart?
[16:55] <jutnux> *Looks*
[16:56] <oimon> meh...january
[16:56] <DJones> I just read that as Benedict Arnold and Morgan Freeman....
[16:56] <awilkins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/mediapacks/sherlock/
[16:57] <awilkins> Cool, Martin Freeman is doing Bilbo Baggins in the Hobbit
[17:04] <ali1234> sherlock was good but a bit silly
[17:04] <ali1234> wait, actually it was incredibly silly
[17:05] <awilkins> TBH you expect silliness with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman in the lead roles
[17:05] <awilkins> They were either hired for silliness or they brought it with them
[17:05] <ali1234> i read somewhere that either matt smith was going to be sherlock, or benedict cumberbatch was going to be doctor who
[17:05] <awilkins> Cumberbatch would probably have been good as Dr Who
[17:05] <ali1234> it's pretty much the same show
[17:05] <ali1234> same formula anyway
[17:06] <awilkins> But Tom Selleck would have been a terrible Indiana Jones
[17:06] <ali1234> LOL
[17:07] <ali1234> well, martin freeman isn't silly at all... in fact he's the straight man surrounded by all the weird stuff. and he holds it together really well. i don't normally like him in other stuff
[17:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Going to upgrade a customer's server tomorrow: uptime currently stands at 655 days.
[17:08] <jutnux> Oh no :-(
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> bad kernel security
[17:08] <awilkins> What about that thing where you can restart a server without rebooting it? What's it called, you load the new kernel and then ditch the old one?
[17:09] <ali1234> ksplice
[17:09] <awilkins> Can't say I've ever found a need for it, but maybe it does that
[17:09] <awilkins> My MythTV box still runs Karmic
[17:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> The server is not easily accessible from the big bad world and has been absolutely fine.
[17:09] <ali1234> i updated my mythtv to natty and the capture driver stopped working cos the guy rewrote it from scratch and now it is really buggy
[17:10] <awilkins> Exactly. Unless the BBC are crafting special buffer overruns in their DVB-T transmissions I think it's fine
[17:10] <ali1234> speaking of DVB-T has anyone tried to get T2 and HD working?
[17:10] <awilkins> ali1234, Happily, DVB stuff is really simple and doesn't need all of that mucking about with v4l
[17:10] <ali1234> oh i have a DVB-T card
[17:11] <ali1234> te old driver was written by the manufacturer and deemed to messy to go in the kernel
[17:11] <ali1234> so one of the linuxtv guys rewrote it and now it doesn't work properly
[17:11] <awilkins> ali1234, Which card, out of curiosity?
[17:11] <ali1234> but the old driver no longer works on recent kernels
[17:11] <ali1234> RTL28xx
[17:11]  * awilkins has Hauppauge PCI card + 2 Hauppauge USB tuners
[17:12] <awilkins> Think they are blackbird / CXxxxx ones
[17:12] <ali1234> i want to get a T2 card anyway
[17:12] <ali1234> but there's only one that is close to working
[17:12] <awilkins> Until I actually get an HDTV, it's a moot point for me
[17:12] <jutnux> What are all of your twitters, if you use twitter that is :-)
[17:13] <dr_barnowl> That's where my twitter is
[17:13] <ali1234> did anyone crack the encoded EPG data?
[17:14] <ali1234> i heard it is just a simple RLE "encryption"
[17:14] <awilkins> ali1234, I would imagine that it's extremely trivial to break, it's only Huffman encoding
[17:14] <ali1234> ah huffman you say...
[17:15] <awilkins> Oh darn, they may have discovered the Higgs Boson
[17:16] <awilkins> This means that all the work I did today will be wiped out by the inevitable rewriting of the universe to prevent us discovering it.
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: it happened before though
[17:16] <awilkins> Dammit, where's a pigeon with a baguette when you need one.
[17:19] <jutnux> I want an Ubuntu mug, damnit.
[17:20] <awilkins> The new one is large
[17:21] <jutnux> Indeed
[17:21] <awilkins> Not as large as my Kennedy Space Centre lustreware one
[17:21] <jutnux> Anyone know when they are coming back in stock?
[17:21] <awilkins> Someone broke my Dr Who one
[17:21] <awilkins> Grr
[17:22] <jutnux> I have an elvis mug
[17:22] <awilkins> I have one of the older white Ubuntu mugs with a small logo. Also, an Ubuntu beanie hat
[17:22] <jutnux> http://r.jutnux.co.uk/tBXxHt
[17:23] <jutnux> I saw the picture ;)
[17:38] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[17:39] <directhex> I AM SLEEEEPY
[17:42] <andylockran> I have a popey mug
[17:42] <jutnux> A popey mug?
[17:42] <andylockran> 17:22 | jutnux > I have an elvis mug
[17:43] <jutnux> Ah.
[18:07] <Myrtti> WOHEY!
[18:08] <awilkins> Is that "popey", but with a mouthful of pizza?
[18:08] <Myrtti> I'm getting Good Night Keith Moon on G+ Secret Santa \o/
[18:09] <awilkins> Hmm, anonymous social network Secret Santa is probably less onerous than one with work colleagues
[18:10] <davmor2> I have a bit of Ubuntu Merchandise
[18:16] <MarquessDeBonBon> A Mark Shuttleworth ivory tusk?
[18:16] <MarquessDeBonBon> An Ubuntu-branded shirt which says "Free (as in freedom) Mandela"?
[18:17] <Myrtti> awilkins: https://plus.google.com/u/0/113269791493257695508/posts/evMD75CnVCP
[18:26] <jussi> thanks jutnux for the ping...
[18:27] <jutnux> Sorry? What did I do?
[18:27] <jussi> [18:37:23] <bigcalm> jussi: don't wish your life away
[18:27] <jussi> accidental ping ;)
[18:27] <jussi> davmor2: were you after me yesterday?
[18:27] <jutnux> Ah
[18:27] <jutnux> Sorry :-)
[18:28] <jussi> no probs :D
[18:29] <popey> Myrtti: hos does this secret santa thing on G+ work?
[18:29] <jutnux> I would like to know this too
[18:30] <popey> how do the secret santas know you bought something?
[18:43] <Myrtti> popey: well D is apparently getting a Mr. Tickle book and a Mr. Tickle mug, and I've seen kinkymal posting a photo of the book she's got
[18:43] <Myrtti> and I'm apparently getting something as well
[18:43] <popey> but the spreadsheet has 'x' next to people who say they have bought stuff, how can anyone know?
[18:43] <popey> unless you have to forward the amazon sales mail or something?
[18:43] <Myrtti> well I'm looking at my Amazon wishlist
[18:44] <Myrtti> and D's
[18:44] <Myrtti> ooo
[18:44] <Myrtti> new Angry Birds levels
[18:45] <mgdm> popey: I've seen that PC from scratch thing before, but not in video - very nice
[18:45] <mgdm> popey: I see he's got the terminal you want ;-)
[18:45] <popey> yeah
[18:45] <popey> that made me annoyed ☺
[18:45] <mgdm> hehe
[18:46] <davmor2> jussi: Yes I was wanting to know how the new arrival was :)
[18:46] <jussi> davmor2: hasnt yet arrived. due on 6th jan
[19:40] <gord> dig deep peoples, its games for donations to charity time again: http://www.humblebundle.com - make linux look good ;)
[19:43] <popey> it already looks pretty good
[19:44] <gord> cave story+ is maybe my favourite game of all time, i have a lot of video games, that does not come lightly. don't go a few months without playing it through
[19:44] <davmor2> gord: have you played skyrim if so what did you think to that?
[19:45] <gord> davmor2, i basically played it non stop for about a month
[19:46]  * daubers almost bought skyrim today
[19:46] <daubers> but Tesco didn't have it
[19:47] <gord> bit trip runner is also exceptionally fun, as is gratuitous space battles in space
[19:47] <gord> and super meat boy
[19:47] <DJones> Is there a way of getting ssh+irssi to accept alt+e as a tab changer instead of bringing up Terminals Edit menu?
[19:47] <gord> its a really good bundle
[19:48] <czajkowski> DJones: not sure if you find a way can you let me know for alt f also :)
[19:48] <DJones> czajkowski: Turns out its simple
[19:49] <DJones> czajkowski: Edit menu, keyboard shortcuts and disable the menu access keys
[19:49] <DJones> Just have to use the mouse to get to the menus (which I rarely use)
[19:49] <czajkowski> ahhhh now that is handy
[19:49] <czajkowski> thanks DJones
[19:51] <popey> oooo i needed that 6 months ago
[19:51] <popey> thanks DJones
[19:51] <mgdm> I switched to Terminator to solve that issue, not realy a workaround, but the other bits are handy :)
[19:52] <Myrtti> terminator ♥
[19:52] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[19:52] <czajkowski> davmor2: *wallop*
[19:55]  * MartijnVdS plans his "Analemma photo" idea a bit more
[19:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: Oh aye
[19:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: how do you think you'd do it?
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: First, check where it'll be using stellarium :)
[19:57] <mgdm> good call! ;)
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: then pick a time I can make each week or so (15:00 on a week-end also not forgetting summer/winter time changeover)
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: then think up some kind of rig that I can either recreate each week or keep in place for a year
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> I was thinking of marking where my tripod's legs are when I take the first pic (also, all camera settings, angles, etc.)
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> oh and a NDx400 filter
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> so I can actually take a pic of the sun without frying the camera
[19:58] <mgdm> I have an ND1000 for long exposure purposes
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> should work even better?
[19:59] <mgdm> theoretically :)
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> NDx also blocks non-visible light more
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> so NDx400 > ND1000 for sun shots
[20:00] <mgdm> ah
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> anyway.. that's my plan for now :)
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> considering using my "old" 350D body instead of my 50D because it's the sun and it might burn a hole in the sensor :)
[20:04] <mgdm> good shout
[20:17] <DJones> czajkowski: popey You're welcome to that
[21:02] <jutnux> Mince pies <3
[21:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] ERPpeek, a tool for browsing OpenERP data from the command line - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/12/13/erppeek-a-tool-for-browsing-openerp-data-from-the-command-line/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=erppeek-a-tool-for-browsing-openerp-data-from-the-command-line
[21:19] <SuprEngr> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning
[21:21] <SuprEngr> [that's in case you're as daft as me & nee]]
[21:56] <gord> nothing kills your interest to contribute more than a wiki that doesn't work... looking at you ubuntu wiki since forever
[22:02] <AlanBell> which is what happens when you have services managed by people who don't use them
[22:02] <AlanBell> and have difficulty accepting help that is offered
[22:18] <Monotoko> hey guys... is it possible to get the right click menu that lets me move a window to another workspace while maximized in 11.10? It does it while a window is not maximized, but not while maximized :(
[22:19] <popey> Monotoko: alt+space ?
[22:19] <Monotoko> popey, that did it! Thanks
[22:19] <popey> np
[22:20] <bigcalm> popey: you should feed tig
[22:31] <BigRedS> Anyone fancy telling me how a PHP user iterates through lines in a test file? I want to do  while($fh){ if $_ =~ /someregex/{ $line=$_; last;}  but in PHP, not Perl
[22:33] <brobostigon> good nigyht everyone, sleep well.
[22:34] <mgdm> BigRedS: $data = file('/path/to/file.txt'); foreach ($data as $line) { doStuff($line); }
[22:35] <BigRedS> mgdm: yeah, I wanted to not load the whole file in, but c+ping your line is way easier :)
[22:35] <BigRedS> It's php, it's not supposed to be done properly ;)
[22:35]  * BigRedS runs
[22:35] <mgdm> BigRedS: Actually you probably want file('file.txt', FILE_IGNORE_NEW_LINES) to trim the line endings
[22:35] <BigRedS> Ah! I do! Ta!
[22:35] <mgdm> you can do it the hard way with fread, and stuff, but... meh
[22:36] <BigRedS> haha, yeah, I assumed there was an easier way than fread. If there's not, I'll just do it that way. Thanks!
[22:44] <BigRedS> Oh, actually there's a way easier way to do all of this, and it doesn't require me poking round php.net :)
[22:46] <mgdm> Oh?
[22:57] <filo1234> hi all
[22:58] <filo1234> sorry guys how can you see wich kind of server audio are you using? ( I'm on lxde session )
[22:58] <popey> wut?
[22:59] <filo1234> popey: example, on Ubuntu gnome I use pilseaudio
[22:59] <filo1234> pulseaudio
[22:59] <popey> ah
[22:59] <filo1234> but on lxde... alsa?
[22:59] <popey> are you using lubuntu?
[22:59] <filo1234> yes
[22:59] <popey> ask in #lubuntu ☺
[22:59] <popey> i have no idea
[22:59] <BigRedS> mgdm: yeah. rather than intercept calls to a suid binary and do different things, I'm just going to write a suid perl script
[23:00] <filo1234> I've installed lubuntu-desktop from a minimal installation
[23:00] <filo1234> popey: ok
[23:00] <popey> cool
[23:00] <popey> sounds fun ☺
[23:00] <filo1234> yeah but out of curiosity I'll like how to find server audio in use
[23:00] <filo1234> :/
[23:01] <filo1234> from shell
[23:01] <filo1234> ps doesn't say nothing
[23:09] <moreati> Evening all, a Makefile question http://trac.edgewall.org/browser//branches/0.12-stable/Makefile includes Makefile.cfg. The latter has lines such as '''python.24 =''' and '''.python =''' (without quotes). Do these somehow affect the expansion of '''python''' in Makefile?
[23:27] <filo1234> popey: you've saw?? I'm unfortunatly
[23:27] <filo1234> lol
[23:32] <moreati> to answer my own question, no.


[14:57] <pleia2> ubuntu user days is happening in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat today if anyone wants to join us :)
[21:19] <popey> mhall119: hey, can I order something and get it shipped to your house and you bring it to the hotel for me? ☻
[21:24] <popey> having seen pleia2's photo.. i now want http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/mechanical-keyboard/wasd-v2-88-key-iso-custom-mechanical-keyboard.html#ad-image-0
[21:24] <pleia2> :D
[21:25] <pleia2> I heart my numberpad, so I have the 104 key version
[21:25] <popey> ideally i want one with a nipple
[21:25] <popey> http://pckeyboard.com/ do them
[21:25] <popey> nobody else seems to ☹