[21:48] <bbeng89> when i just type cron i get: cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied
[21:48] <MENTHECATTO> kalekip1 of course you don't see anyfile
[21:48] <MENTHECATTO> it's what i'd like to know
[21:48] <zoneminder> I even used lua for capturing the mouse clicks
[21:48] <bbeng89> if i type sudo cron i get: cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 2107: Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:48] <zoneminder> wasn't able to get the mouse coordinates, anyway
[21:48] <zoneminder> so I'm aggressively searching for a working alternative now
[21:49] <zoneminder> so I would have something working now :)
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> bbeng89:  cron is a service that should allready be running at boot time
[21:50] <Dr_Willis> !cron | bbeng89
[21:51] <bbeng89> ubottu: yeah, i know what it is. The entry in my crontab is: */10 * * * * /home/myuser/scripts/run-bot.sh
[21:51] <bbeng89> oh, haha
[21:51] <ufoczek> what the hell is going on with lightdm? :)
[21:52] <Dr_Willis> bbeng89:  then you should realize that you donbt need to rerun cron after adding jobx. it should see them and start them. Unless you are doing a wrong entry. or the script is confused.
[21:52] <bbeng89> the script works if I run it just like ./run-bot.sh
[21:52] <Marlenee> anyone here know network manager can help me
[21:52] <bbeng89> and i changed my cron job to go every minute instead of 10 minutes
[21:52] <bbeng89> but it never ran
[21:52] <orymer> h
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> bbeng89:  double check your paths in the script and the #! line of the script and make sure its executable  (common  mistakes)
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> You may also find it useful to put the commands into script files that log their success or failure, for example:
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> echo "Nightly Backup Successful: $(date)" >> /tmp/mybackup.log
[21:54] <ufoczek> why lightdm does not start automattly in 13.04?
[21:54] <ufoczek> even if its in rc scripts
[21:54] <bbeng89> Dr_Willis: ok, yeah i'll give that a shot
[21:54] <Dr_Willis> ufoczek:  it does here.    try a 'sudo service lightdm start' or restart  to see
[21:55] <ufoczek> Dr_Willis: when i execute command it works. but why does not start automatly? :<
[21:55] <ufoczek> update-rc.d lightdm defaults - done
[21:55] <Dr_Willis> ufoczek:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm    be sure its set to be the login screen
[21:55] <ufoczek> Dr_Willis: also tried that
[21:55] <Dr_Willis> i dont think you want update-rc.d
[21:56] <zoneminder> compdoc, you awake?... :)
[21:56] <ufoczek> but interesting thing is that i dont have any lightdm entiers in /var/log/boot.log
[21:56] <Dr_Willis> lightdm is a upstart managed service i belive. Not rc.d
[21:56] <bbeng89> Dr_Willis: lol... had #1/bin/bash rather than #!/bin/bash in my script.  Good catch though! Thanks for your help!
[21:57] <Dr_Willis> bbeng89:  :) top 10 common issues ;) thats like #3
[21:57] <bbeng89> Dr_Willis: well I will definitely remember to look for that in the future. thanks again
[22:02] <MrWho> I've installed ubuntu on my vmware workstation
[22:02] <MrWho> but it's slow
[22:03] <MrWho> when i select some part of screen it has lag
[22:03] <MrWho> what's the problem?
[22:03] <MrWho> I set 4 processors and 4 gb of memory
[22:04] <arcaflesh> I deleted my Music folder in my home folder, is there any way I can re-create it and its original bookmark ?
[22:05] <qin> arcaflesh: mkdir ~/Music
[22:05] <MrWho> qin: No idea?
[22:05] <qin> arcaflesh: Do you want to undelete?
[22:08] <qin> MrWho: All virtual systems suck on graphic acceleration, less whistles on desktop?
[22:09] <MrWho> qin: I mean when you select the screen and move the mouse it's slow, and it's slow in all actions you would perform.
[22:09] <qin> MrWho: oh, /j #vmware is also option
[22:09] <dhyana> i all
[22:09] <MrWho> qin: i've already asked the question there.
[22:12] <CarlosRibeiro> hello all
[22:13] <kalekip1> Hi, CarlosRibeiro.
[22:13] <CarlosRibeiro> does anyone knows who is resposible for the artwork for ubuntu
[22:13] <qin> MrWho: I guess I would test lighter window manager, and eventualy look for extending gpu memory, yet vmware+gui is not me
[22:13] <CarlosRibeiro> Hello kalekip1
[22:13] <dhyana> hi all
[22:14] <dhyana> anyone from India?
[22:14] <CarlosRibeiro> to be more specific, I would like to know who do i need to talk about ubuntu gnome installation screenshots
[22:14] <dhyana> m indian here
[22:14] <k1l_> !in | dhyana
[22:14] <dhyana> ok
[22:14] <dhyana> but none here?
[22:15] <kalekip1> I am...
[22:15] <kalekip1> Oh Indian? Nope
[22:15] <qin> CarlosRibeiro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[22:15] <OerHeks> CarlosRibeiro, the artwork team, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ and join #ubuntu-artwork to talk with them, if they are awake
[22:15] <dhyana> ah
[22:15] <dhyana> ok
[22:15] <k1l_> dhyana: this is a technical support channel. for chat please see #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:15] <SherlockHouseMD> hi to all ubuntu lovers
[22:15] <dhyana> ah ok
[22:15] <dhyana> :)
[22:15] <CarlosRibeiro> qin, OerHeks  thanks a lot for the info
[22:16] <SherlockHouseMD> is there a girl here :)
[22:16] <kalekip1> SherlockHouseMD: May I tell you something?
[22:16] <OerHeks> !ot | SherlockHouseMD this is not a datingchannel
[22:16] <k1l_> !ot | SherlockHouseMD
[22:16] <kalekip1> lol
[22:16] <SherlockHouseMD> ok,sorry
[22:16] <kalekip1> XD
[22:16] <kalekip1> OerHeks, I just wanted to say that..
[22:16] <SherlockHouseMD> I know :) just for the record i like to ask :)
[22:16] <dhyana> don't worry your girl is somewhere
[22:16] <kalekip1> Almost exactly
[22:16] <dhyana> :)
[22:16] <dhyana> jk
[22:16] <dhyana> :D
[22:16] <qin> Someone just overkilled it.
[22:16] <FloodBot1> dhyana: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:17] <kalekip1> !offtopic
[22:17] <arcaflesh> Qin : no I do not want to undelete. I do not really care about what was in the folder. But I want the original built-in folder back. Maybe should I copy from another admin account ? (i'm on ubu 64b 12.04)
[22:17] <calwig> how do I find out what version Im on?
[22:18] <calwig> uname -a
[22:18] <CarlosRibeiro> qin, OerHeks thanks a lot again, i have to go now and good work for all
[22:18] <k1l_> calwig: lsb_release -a
[22:19] <qin> arcaflesh: Did you try to just: mkdir ~/Music (to simply create it)
[22:20] <kalekip1> Does anybody knows how to make the apostrophe act like in Windows? (No apostrophe for ḿńĺ, etc. but only for letters like á é ó ú í)
[22:22] <zoneminder> I need something like tv mosaic or fftv or something with multiple streams shown at once under linux ... No one knows of any software doing this??... I want it for live rtsp streams...
[22:23] <kostkon> zoneminder, there is a cctv app in the repos i think
[22:23] <qin> kalekip1: http://www.butlerpc.net/blog/2011/01/using-xbindkeys-on-ubuntu-linux-to-remap-key-commands/ Painfull, but should work
[22:24] <gassho> mmm, gotta put some windows drivers on a pendrive, but in edubuntu 13.04 it claims i don't have permission to change the pendrive... please assist!
[22:25] <_Joshua> gassho chown
[22:25] <zoneminder> how can I find it?...
[22:26] <kalekip1> qin thanks, I will check it out
[22:26] <_Joshua> Use this command to get some useful information about your USB drive.
[22:26] <_Joshua> sudo blkid
[22:26] <arcaflesh> qin : no I haven't. Should I sudo it ?
[22:27] <kalekip1> qin I'm not sure what it does. Are you?
[22:27] <gassho> it says 'type vfat'
[22:28] <gassho> or TYPE="vfat"
[22:28] <_Joshua> sudo apt-get install gnome-disk-utility
[22:28] <_Joshua> use a gui
[22:28] <_Joshua> then launch it:  gnome-disks
[22:28] <kalekip1> _Joshua: It would be nice if you mention somebody with his/her (nick)name
[22:29] <gassho> then what
[22:29] <_Joshua> I love mute
[22:29] <_Joshua> damn kids these days
[22:30] <_Joshua> one moment, grassho
[22:30] <gassho> hehe ok XD
[22:30] <_Joshua> im going to mount my usb, need to boot my other laptop
[22:31] <kalekip1> _Joshua: What do you want to do? Dual boot Ubuntu?
[22:32] <arcaflesh> qin : it doesn't appear like any special folder. Should I restart my session. Maybe is this more of a Gnome/Nautilus issue ?
[22:32] <chaotic_good> # Activity reports every 10 minutes everyday
[22:32] <chaotic_good> 5-55/10 * * * * root command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1
[22:32] <arcaflesh> also, my locale is not English and built-in folders were already renamed by the system
[22:32] <codygo> might there be a reason why my system is only using 2.8GB of ram when i have 16
[22:32] <chaotic_good> is this a ubuntu thing??
[22:32] <codygo> it recognizes 16 in ksysguard
[22:32] <codygo> but i only see it top off at 2.8
[22:34] <_Joshua> kalekip1: apparently you have no idea what is going on
[22:34] <_Joshua> it is not I that needs, help
[22:34] <kalekip1> _Joshua: Ok, I'm sorry, I guess?
[22:34] <_Joshua> no apologies needed
[22:35] <kalekip1> I am going to get some sleep. Good night y'all
[22:35] <arcaflesh> bye
[22:36] <Marlenee> i cant find "shelr record"
[22:36] <antivirtel> hello, I've just installed 13.04, and I wanted to do a simple `at` task, but there was a problem, the "at" is missing... which package does it contain? I couldn't find it in google... thanks
[22:37] <OerHeks> !info at
[22:38] <UserError> guys, why doesn't add-apt-repository main work in LTS?
[22:38] <UserError> 12.04.3
[22:38] <antivirtel> omfg, OerHeks ... the simplest is the best :D thanks
[22:38] <_Joshua> my laptop is 12.04 and uses disk utility
[22:38] <antivirtel> bb
[22:38] <k1l_> UserError: can you show the exact command and the error?
[22:39] <OerHeks> antivirtel, you might want to install synaptic for detailed softwarepackages
[22:39] <UserError> sudo add-apt-repository main
[22:39] <UserError> Error: 'main' invalid
[22:39] <k1l_> UserError: that doesnt work
[22:39] <UserError> it does in 13.04
[22:39] <k1l_> UserError: add-apt-repository is to add PPAs
[22:39] <UserError> uh
[22:40] <UserError> it works in 13.04
[22:40] <UserError> sudo add-apt-repository main
[22:40] <UserError> 'main' distribution component is already enabled for all sources.
[22:40] <_Joshua> sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[22:40] <UserError> already installed...
[22:40] <_Joshua> I  don't know about 64 bit, but on 32 bit, add-apt-repository is provided by the package python-software-properties.
[22:41] <UserError> sighs
[22:41] <UserError> I'm not an idiot i'm sitting here in both with updated packages  and using the same commands on the same exact installs of different versions
[22:41] <UserError> in two vms
[22:42] <k1l_> UserError: you were right. the manpage tells it can enable distribution components
[22:42] <OerHeks> UserError, the main repo should be enabled by default, how did you disable main?
[22:42] <UserError> Ok so how do I get that in 12.04.3
[22:42] <UserError> that was just an example
[22:42] <UserError> why are you critiquing my example instead of the problem
[22:42] <UserError> typical IRC
[22:43] <Axlin> Probably because it came off as if your specific problem was adding "main"
[22:43] <_Joshua> agree
[22:43] <davidbrooke_> I need some help on which way to go.....concerning the built-in remote drivers in the kernel...not sure whether to talk to someone involved with the kernel or lirc?
[22:43] <UserError> here, want my example to fit your acute sense of reality? sudo add-apt-repository multiverse
[22:43] <UserError> there
[22:44] <OerHeks> so,  sudo add-apt-repository multiverse does not work?
[22:44] <UserError> exactly
[22:44] <UserError> not in 12.04.x
[22:44] <k1l_> UserError: since this is not the regular way to enable or disable im not sure it is intended to work in 12.04
[22:44] <UserError> it is a regular way in 13.04
[22:44] <UserError> and 12.04.3 has a longer support cycle
[22:45] <UserError> and the 13.04 kernel
[22:45] <UserError> so what is the problem and how do I fix it
[22:45] <k1l_> UserError: you know the meaning of lts?
[22:45] <k1l_> it keeps the base of the 12.04 release.
[22:45] <UserError> Yes, which is why i'm wondering why it doesn't have this functionality from a basic component
[22:45] <UserError> Other packages have changed in features
[22:45] <UserError> would you like an example?
[22:45] <k1l_> UserError: like i told you, it is not the regular way
[22:46] <UserError> You're right, it's a better way
[22:46] <k1l_> so it was not when 12.04 was released
[22:46] <UserError> because it doesn't add another entry
[22:46] <k1l_> *sigh*
[22:46] <_Joshua> UserError:  sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
[22:46] <_Joshua> then issue the repository syntax again
[22:47] <UserError> already installed
[22:47] <UserError> That is the point
[22:47] <_Joshua> then you are fucked
[22:47] <_Joshua> because everything I find ends with that :\
[22:47] <_Joshua> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2013/04/how-to-fix-add-apt-repository-command.html
[22:47] <FloodBot1> _Joshua: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:47] <UserError> Ok, so where can I submit a ticket
[22:47] <k1l_> !bug | UserError
[22:48] <UserError> Thank you
[22:48] <arayaq> Hi, again. Ill resume my problem, I have a notebook with no screen, only external monitor. I cant see nothing if I boot normally, but I can boot in recovery mode. From there I can log into a root terminal and stuff. But if I type in "startx" the monitor goes off. How can I force it to use the external monitor (VGA)?
[22:49] <gfredericks> I just installed raring and `apt-get install xmonad` is not working with the gnome login session
[22:49] <gfredericks> it shows a "failed to load session" dialog
[22:52] <_Joshua> gfredericks: what version ubuntu?
[22:52] <overclucker> UserError: is there a reason not to just add multiverse to sources.list?
[22:52] <gfredericks> _Joshua: raring
[22:52] <UserError> Yes, because you are ADDING
[22:52] <UserError> instead of editing
[22:52] <UserError> and i need to target all
[22:53] <UserError>  add-apt-repository -y "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) main universe restricted multiverse"
[22:53] <UserError> vs
[22:53] <UserError> just tacking on restricted etc
[22:53] <UserError> to the end
[22:54] <TheBombMaker> #potatosalad
[22:54] <_Joshua> gfredericks: did you install gnome panel?
[22:54] <overclucker> UserError: so, just very specific personal requirements?
[22:54] <_Joshua> sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[22:54] <gfredericks> _Joshua: nope there it goes
[22:54] <gfredericks> that sounds like the sort of thing I did last time
[22:54] <gfredericks> brb will check if that did it
[22:54] <_Joshua> gnome panel then XMonad
[22:54] <gfredericks> oh do I need to reinstall?
[22:54] <gfredericks> xmonad?
[22:54] <UserError> Targeting multiple versions of ubuntu is specific and personal?
[22:55] <UserError> that are supported at the same time
[22:55] <niftylettuce> "Show HN: Complete Linux Mint (Ubuntu) Setup for Node.js Developers (github.com)"
[22:55] <_Joshua> not if you have it already
[22:55] <UserError> supposedly
[22:55] <gfredericks> _Joshua: okay, brb
[22:55]  * gfredericks crosses fingers
[22:55] <_Joshua> gfredericks: http://vishwathmohan.com/blog/2013/05/02/xmonad-on-ubuntu-raring-ringtail/
[22:56] <UserError> Target platforms don't have it
[22:56] <gfredericks> _Joshua: w00t that did it
[22:56] <UserError> already
[22:56] <gfredericks> I think my last problem is the .Xmodmap file doesn't get autoloaded
[22:56] <_Joshua> great
[22:57] <overclucker> UserError: one command to rule them all?
[22:58] <_Joshua> godmode
[22:58] <cariveri> can anyone help me with a metacity theme? some borders wont render.
[22:58] <UserError> Yes
[22:59] <gfredericks> so google suggested to do `xmodmap .Xmodmap` in an .xinitrc file
[22:59] <gfredericks> but that did not  work on first try
[22:59] <UserError> i need one command
[22:59] <overclucker> UserError: sed?
[22:59] <UserError> and the problem is that isn't currently possible
[22:59] <UserError> which is sad
[23:00] <qin> lol
[23:00] <k1l_> UserError: as already mentioned: file a bug. we wont fullfill your wish right here
[23:00] <gassho> ;S;
[23:01] <gfredericks> should the .xinitrc be executable?
[23:01] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  I dont recall it needing to be. but it wont hurt i guess
[23:02] <OerHeks> this should enable multiverse " sudo sed -i "/^# deb.*multiverse/ s/^# //" /etc/apt/sources.list "
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  the .xinitrc has been supercededs by ~/.xsession  i think.
[23:02] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: I'll try that next then
[23:02] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  and neither is ran by default 'in addation' to your selected window manager session via lightdm.  (how are you trying to use it?)
[23:03] <overclucker> gassho: are you still trying to copy files to a usb drive?
[23:03] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: I don't know what lightdm is; I just succeeded in getting xmonad to work
[23:03] <gassho> yes into a directory
[23:03] <gassho> on a pendrive :D
[23:03] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: my actual goal is to get my .Xmodmap file read
[23:03] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  lightdm is the initial LOGIN screen with the prtty graphics
[23:03] <overclucker> gassho: with a FAT filesystem?
[23:03] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  you could make a lightdm 'session' entry that runs whatever script or commands you want.
[23:03] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: the one that plays the cute little noise that my two year old likes
[23:04] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  the default Login manager for Ubuntu (and other variants) is Lightdm
[23:04] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  theres alterantives
[23:05] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: so that's the only point where I can get arbitrary scripts run?
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  the login manager screens display a menu of sessions you can select.   /usr/share/xsessions/    is where they come from
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  if you use a console login and use 'startx' then THAT will use .xsession or .xinitrc
[23:05] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: so I have my gnome-xmonad.desktop file open
[23:05] <UserError> What is the official way in terminal to edit a repo's args without adding another one?
[23:05] <Dr_Willis> OR you make a lightdm session that uses .xinitc
[23:05] <UserError> in 12.04.3
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  so that gnome-xmonad.desktop file is in  /usr/share/xsessions ?
[23:06] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: yep
[23:06] <gfredericks> it has an "Exec=gnome-session-xmonad" line
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  then you use Lightdm. and select that session.. and it runs whatever that file tells it to.
[23:06] <rostam> HI is there a way to monitor changes to some memory map area in user land? thx
[23:06] <gfredericks> as well as "TryExec=gnome-session"
[23:06] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:   sure its not 'gnome-session   xmonad' ?
[23:06] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: do I need to hijack one of those lines and add `xmodmap .Xmodmap`?
[23:06] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: yep
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> I imagind xmonad has its OWN way to auto-run stuff as well
[23:07] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: that's probably true, I ought to look into that
[23:07] <gfredericks> Dr_Willis: thanks
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=70933  autostart programs in xmonad (mayu be worht reading)
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> ....   The other option would be to use the startupHook in your xmonad.hs  .....
[23:08] <Dr_Willis> thats about all i know on xmonad ;)
[23:10] <alpha_> what driver i should install for my AMD Radeon 7600 graphic card ? ( ubuntu  12.04 )
[23:10] <[Gentoo]> alpha_: stick with the default one
[23:10] <[Gentoo]> or do you want games
[23:10] <Dr_Willis> gfredericks:  the way you got it setup with lightdm now. its running stuff from the xmonad.session file which MAY be in   /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/
[23:10] <overclucker> gassho: you can mount the drive from the command line with different options. 'sudo mount /dev/sdA# /media/mountpoint -o rw,fmask=000,dmask=000'
[23:11] <alpha_> what different is between their ?
[23:11] <[Gentoo]> alpha_: the default one is more reliable
[23:11] <alpha_> i dont play game much ...
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> alpha_:  differnt versions. Some may work - some may not. when in doubt go with the default/reccomended driver
[23:11] <[Gentoo]> alpha_: stay with the normal one
[23:12] <[Gentoo]> so many people have problems with fglrx
[23:12] <alpha_> but my laptop produce much heat !
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> if the open sourced driver works.. id stick to that one. Unless you got a differnt reason to not use it.
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> that would be such a reason. :)
[23:12] <UserError> alpha_ , put a bigger heatsink on it
[23:12] <UserError> I recommend the Evo 212+
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> try the default/reccomended fglrx drives then and see if it works better
[23:13] <Guest61345> you can call me knifes
[23:13] <UserError> knives*
[23:13] <[Gentoo]> Dr_Willis: thats the thing, people have problems doing even that
[23:13] <[Gentoo]> switchinc back from fglrx
[23:13] <alpha_> The driver in additional driver is : **experimental**beta
[23:14] <k1l_> !fglrx | alpha
[23:14] <alpha_> my laptop is : HP 4540s core i 5 3210-M
[23:15] <rscnt> .
[23:15] <rscnt> .
[23:15] <rscnt> hi
[23:15] <FloodBot1> rscnt: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:15] <rscnt> sorrrry
[23:17] <alpha_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7550M/7570M/7650M]
[23:17] <knifes1234> hello
[23:17] <alpha_> what driver i should install on ubuntu 12.04 for this : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7550M/7570M/7650M]
[23:18] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, chances are by default you're using the open source radeon driver, which is the one you should use
[23:18] <rscnt> why not the privative?
[23:18] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, you could use fglrx for gaming but like that driver has horrible 2d acceleration and has glitches.
[23:19] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, if you aren't a gamer stick with the open source radeon.
[23:19] <alpha_> Ari-Yang : i dont play game ... i want to decrease heat which is produced by my laptop !
[23:20] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, if you happen to have heating problems, install kernel 3.11 and add the grub boot parameter radeon.dpm=1 to GRUB for dynamic power management (especially if you're on a laptop)
[23:20] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, I can help you with that...
[23:20] <alpha_> how can i install kernel 3.11 ?
[23:20] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, are you on 64bit or 32?
[23:21] <alpha_> Ari : 64bits
[23:21] <dhyana> hm
[23:21] <alpha_> Ari : Is kernel 3.11 latest stable version ?
[23:21] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, yes
[23:22] <alpha_> Ari : I donloaded the kernel 3.11 and now i have it on my laptop
[23:22] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, download this and put it in http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/VERDE_smc.bin /lib/firmware/radeon/
[23:22] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, where did you download 3.11 from?
[23:23] <alpha_> Ari : kernel.org
[23:23] <BuJitsuBrown> Hello agian is ther a reset button"
[23:23] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, no no no download this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.1-saucy/linux-image-3.11.1-031101-generic_3.11.1-031101.201309141102_amd64.deb
[23:23] <BuJitsuBrown> for my soud card
[23:23] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, you aren't going to compile it but simply install the .deb
[23:23] <dhyana> TreE1: here/
[23:24] <MarkusDBX> I'm looking for a freenode channel where Ubuntu sysadmin and storage/raid issues are discussed. Any ideas?
[23:24] <alpha_> Ari : can i compile that myself ?
[23:24] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, just open up the .deb and install it is all you have to do
[23:24] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, before you do that...
[23:24] <kostkon> MarkusDBX, tried in #ubuntu-server?
[23:24] <knifes1234> hello
[23:24] <alpha_> Ari : ok thanks i will come back again :)
[23:25] <MarkusDBX> kostkon: thanks
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, in terminal and type gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub and make this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= look like this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.dpm=1"
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> save it, then in terminal run sudo update-grub alpha_
[23:26] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, install the .deb then reboot...
[23:26] <lapt0p> I have a lubuntu related question, but i think it's a general one, so i'm asking for help here, since the lubuntu channel is like the Nevada desert(no one's there). When i open Skype, the upper part of the Skype GUI is covered by the taskbar and i can't click those buttons. How can i solve this? Thanks in advance.
[23:26] <knifes1234> ubuntu 13.04  no go ubuntu 12.10 go
[23:27] <TheBombMaker> spamspamspam
[23:28] <alpha_> Ari : what should i tupe in terminal ?
[23:28] <alpha_> type*
[23:28] <BuJitsuBrown> is ther a reset "button" for my sound card ?
[23:28] <alpha_> exactly please
[23:28] <Ari-Yang> gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub <--- alpha_
[23:28] <Japella> gksudo gedit /etc/default/grub <- alpha_ now has -1 karma
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, make this line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= look like this GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.dpm=1"
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> save it then in terminal run sudo update-grub
[23:29] <alpha_> before i install the .deb ??
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> yes
[23:29] <alpha_> which one is first ?
[23:30] <alpha_> installing or editing ?
[23:30] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, edit grub first...
[23:30] <alpha_> ok
[23:30] <alpha_> ok
[23:30] <alpha_> thanks
[23:30] <FloodBot1> alpha_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:30] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, did you download http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/VERDE_smc.bin and move it to /lib/firmware/radeon
[23:31] <Ari-Yang> if you didn't, make sure you do...
[23:33] <BuJitsuBrown> is ther a reset "button" for my sound card ?
[23:33] <alpha_> Ari : i cant find any karma -1 word
[23:33] <lapt0p> I have a lubuntu related question, but i think it's a general one, so i'm asking for help here, since the lubuntu channel is like the Nevada desert(no one's there). When i open Skype, the upper part of the Skype GUI is covered by the taskbar and i can't click those buttons. How can i solve this? Thanks in advance.
[23:33] <Ari-Yang> alpha_ what?
[23:33] <Ari-Yang> .__.
[23:33] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, when you're done http://pastebin.com your grub and link me
[23:34] <alpha_> ok
[23:34] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, just change the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.dpm=1"
[23:34] <Ari-Yang> save, close gedit, then type sudo update-grub in terminal
[23:35] <alpha_> Ari : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6117162/
[23:36] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, that's good, in case you need to boot into an old kernel remove the # on line and add # at the beginning of lines 7 and 8
[23:36] <Ari-Yang> after send me a new pastebin
[23:36] <lapt0p> I have a lubuntu related question, but i think it's a general one, so i'm asking for help here, since the lubuntu channel is like the Nevada desert(no one's there). When i open Skype, the upper part of the Skype GUI is covered by the taskbar and i can't click those buttons. How can i solve this? Thanks in advance.
[23:37] <alpha_> do you mean that i dont need to kernel 3.11 ?
[23:37] <Ari-Yang> Ari-Yang, on line 11 put radeon.dpm=1 after splash
[23:37] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, this is preparing for kernel 3.11...
[23:37] <alpha_> ok
[23:38] <alpha_> so what line i should delete the # from ?
[23:38]  * Ari-Yang sighs
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  alt-click in the window anywhere. and drag it down
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PmMWEZ8p make yours look like this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PmMWEZ8p
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  this is a feature of X and should work in any window manager i belive
[23:39] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: Thanks a LOT :)
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, save, close gedit, run sudo update-grub
[23:39] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  i have a tool that adds the same feature to windows. ;)
[23:39] <alpha_> Ari : please copy that on paste.ubuntu.com
[23:39] <alpha_> thanks :)
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6117179/
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> brb
[23:40] <alpha_> thanks
[23:40] <knifes1234> ti
[23:40] <alpha_> are i saved that
[23:40] <alpha_> Ari : I saved that
[23:42] <alpha_> Ari : I ran  sudo update-grub
[23:42] <gassho> how do you open the file explorer with sudo
[23:42] <lapt0p> Could someone recommend a good book for learning bash?
[23:42] <k1l_> gassho: gksudo. but be aware of what you do
[23:42] <lapt0p> A book which is understandable by a beginner.
[23:43] <lapt0p> Or better said, a book for learning the Linux terminal
[23:44] <knifes1234> what
[23:44] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, download http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/VERDE_smc.bin and move it to /lib/firmware/radeon
[23:44] <gassho> y thank u
[23:44] <alpha_> ok
[23:44] <gassho> what do they call the latest unity file explorer?
[23:45] <alpha_> Ari :i did that
[23:45] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, wait what's your graphics card?
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> gasso, nautilus
[23:45] <gassho> yay yay yay tytytyttyty
[23:46] <alpha_> amd ati radeon
[23:46] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, run this in terminal: lspci | grep VGA
[23:46] <Ari-Yang> what do you get?
[23:47] <alpha_> Ari : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6117194/
[23:47] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, while you're at it in terminal type: sudo apt-get install lm-sensors then run sensors and pastebin that and link me...
[23:47] <b0unce> While setting permissions on files, for what is used the first number? e.g. 00755 (here the first zero)
[23:47] <gassho> it a stilla dont a want a let me a paste a folder :C
[23:48] <gassho> (onto the pendrive)
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> gasso, C as in windows, if so how are you mounting it?
[23:49] <alpha_> Ari : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6117201/
[23:50] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, in terminal just run sensors and pastebin that for me too...
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, also download both http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/TURKS_smc.bin and put it in /lib/firmware/radeon
[23:51] <overclucker> gassho: sudo mount /dev/sdA# /media/mountpoint -o rw,fmask=000,dmask=000
[23:51] <alpha_> what are sensors ?
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> just run sensors in terminal, it gives you your laptop's temperature
[23:51] <kangping> Hello
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> pastebin it for me, I want to see it...
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> !sensors
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> alpha__
[23:53] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, after you download and move TURKS_smc.bin install the kernel 3.11 .deb then reboot. your laptop will load GRUB, just select ubuntu from it (it should automatically when the timeout finishes), your laptop's temperature should decrease by a lot. make sure to come back here and tell me how it goes.
[23:53] <alpha_> Ari : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6117208/
[23:54] <alpha_> should i download this ? : http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.1-saucy/linux-image-3.11.1-031101-generic_3.11.1-031101.201309141102_amd64.deb
[23:54] <kangping> I'm having issues installing my graphics card (nvidia Optimus). I tried the bumblebee project with fixes I could find online, but without any success. This is my third attempt at wiping my hdd, and I believe I need some help at installing this properly. Would anyone be so kind and guide me or give me the hint, that will crack my problem? :)
[23:55] <Ari-Yang> alpha_: yes, I linked you this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.1-saucy/linux-image-3.11.1-031101-generic_3.11.1-031101.201309141102_amd64.deb
[23:55] <Ari-Yang> download and install it
[23:55] <Ari-Yang> then reboot...
[23:55] <ironfoot495> Hello people I'm looking for someone who can help me figure out the error message:bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('. I get this message when ever I use the funtion => $fp = fopen("/var/www/php_script/orders.txt", 'r');. I'm trying to read a file and the ubuntu machine just wont read it???
[23:56] <Pici> ironfoot495: that doesn't look like a bash script.
[23:56] <alpha_> Ari : My internet speed is low .. it takes 15 minute to download that
[23:57] <Ari-Yang> okay
[23:57] <Ari-Yang> alpha_, you aren't using any wifi proprietary driver are you (like broadcam)? because if you are, disable it before you reboot.
[23:57] <ironfoot495> I've changed the permissions and even used the function file_exists but still I have serious problems.
[23:57] <ironfoot495> No it it is the result of the bash script.
[23:58] <alpha_> my wifi LED always is on ...
[23:58] <alpha_> on ubuntu
[23:58] <alpha_> Ari : I will come back
[23:58] <alpha_> see you
[23:58] <Ari-Yang> ...I'm asking if you're using a proprietary wifi driver :| if you didn't installany
[23:58] <Ari-Yang> * any


[03:57] <Lawilm> Hello, has anyone ever used teamviewer to connect to their ubuntu machine? When I connect to my ubunut machine with teamviewer from my laptop or any device I can't see the screen. Just black.. I can see that I am moving the mouse on the ubuntu machine.. I can file transfer etc.. I played with the resolution.. etc.. nothing.. i can't find anything on google. Not sure if anyone here has an idea i hav
[03:57] <Lawilm> e not yet tried maybe..
[04:03] <DrCool> a google search says maybe the video drivers.
[04:03] <DrCool> are you using the proprietary drivers or the default ones?
[04:17] <Lawilm> default ones
[04:17] <Lawilm> DrCool,
[04:18] <Lawilm> sorry I zoned out on my problem and didn't even see your chat
[05:38] <akis> hi all. any idea how can i overrid this issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15641775/ ? i read here : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27137230/failed-to-fetch-update-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr and here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/553765/failed-to-fetch-update-on-ubuntu-14-04-lts-trusty-tahr some tips but they didn't work for me. any idea what is going on?
[05:44] <xubuntu860> hey guys! just migrated from lmint is there a licky sticky corners in xubuntu 14.4?
[05:48] <Unit193> xubuntu860: There's window snapping.
[05:49] <xubuntu860> drag window to corner edege-y window resized to corner/edge?
[05:49] <xubuntu860> how?
[05:51] <Unit193> Check in Window Manager Settings to change the settings on it.
[05:52] <xubuntu860> what point? general or tweaks?
[05:52] <Unit193> General.
[05:52] <xubuntu860> what section, what point?
[05:53] <Unit193> Pardon?
[05:53] <xubuntu860> found windows snapping
[05:54] <xubuntu860> its allready enabled to screen boarders
[05:55] <xubuntu860> and the only thing happening if i try to do it is i move to another workspace
[08:39] <nikolam> Anyone knows if screen command for multiple remote terminals, can allow viewing terminal buffer (like with mouse scroll on terminal window, but inside screen console)
[09:03] <eoli3n> hi
[09:04] <eoli3n> in xubuntu, i use unity-greeter with lightdm, i can choose between "xfce" and "xubuntu" sessions, how to disable "xfce" entry ?
[09:06] <eoli3n> found
[09:06] <eoli3n> /usr/share/xsessions
[11:45] <xubuntu432> xu 14.04 3 issues: 1.openGL GLX extension not supported by display - when starting steam 2.Sticky corners&edges configuration? 3.When booting i get "Searching for disk drivers to cancel press C" which ends in a black screen
[11:49] <knob> Good morning all :)
[11:53] <xubuntu432> xu 14.04 3 issues: 1.openGL GLX extension not supported by display - when starting steam 2.Sticky corners&edges configuration? 3.When booting i get "Searching for disk drivers to cancel press C" which ends in a black screen
[12:16] <xubuntu79i> anyone
[12:16] <xubuntu79i> hello
[12:19] <xubuntu79i> I'm installing Xubuntu and it's stuck on creating Ext4 file system for /boot.. Does it take that long?
[12:26] <pZombie> hi, does Xubuntu come with some default partition manager?
[12:27] <pZombie> 14.04 LTS version that is
[12:51] <xubuntu432> xu 14.04 3 issues: 1.openGL GLX extension not supported by display - when starting steam 2.Sticky corners&edges configuration? 3.When booting i get "Searching for disk drivers to cancel press C" which ends in a black screen
[14:00] <glumpy> Hello
[14:02] <glumpy> Is there a reasonable/automatic way to handle screensaver+listening to music+not entering a sleep mode?
[14:59] <xubuntu52w> is this the proper place to ask about install issues?
[15:00] <knome> yes
[15:04] <xubuntu52w> I just installed xubuntu 15.10 and encountered bug 798414 .  my boot partition was only 100 meg so i increased it to 1024 meg and 15.10 installed just fine.   Was the boot sector filling up the correct assumption and making it bigger the correct solution?
[15:05] <xubuntu52w> i want to make sure I am not assuming a solution.
[15:12] <knome> xubuntu52w, likely so
[15:12] <knome> you don't explicitly even need a separate /boot partition though
[15:13] <xubuntu432> xu 14.04 3 issues: 1.openGL GLX extension not supported by display - when starting steam 2.Sticky corners&edges configuration? 3.When booting i get "Searching for disk drivers to cancel press C" which ends in a black screen
[15:14] <xubuntu432> knowns fixes?
[15:14] <xubuntu52w> knome, thanks, I didn't realize it wasnt needed.
[15:15] <knome> xubuntu52w, as long as you clean up old kernels, you should be fine with 1G
[15:15] <xubuntu52w> knome: I am bad at that :)
[15:16] <xubuntu52w> knome: I am planning on having 2 distros running
[15:17] <xubuntu52w> the hard drive is huge, whats a couple GB amongst friends. :)
[15:17] <knome> xubuntu52w, if you are still in the early intallation stage, you could also reinstall without a separate /boot
[15:18] <knome> everything that doesn't have a specific partition uses the space in the / partition
[15:19] <xubuntu52w> i just finished.
[15:19] <xubuntu52w> i'll leave it but keep it in my notes for next time.
[15:20] <xubuntu52w> i suppose I could disable it and let it default to /
[15:21] <knome> not sure if that would work after installing though
[15:21] <xubuntu52w> good to know.  I'll leave well enough alone. :)
[15:21] <knome> but you could run a live-cd, then copy stuff from the /boot partition to the / partition, then disable and boot back to the installation
[15:21] <knome> that *should* work
[15:22] <xubuntu52w> thank you for your help
[15:22] <knome> np
[15:22] <knome> enjoy xubuntu
[15:22] <xubuntu52w> i very much do
[15:22] <xubuntu52w> I switched to it a couple years ago
[15:22] <xubuntu52w> but this is the first time I custom set up the drive partitions
[15:49] <Noneatme> I'm planning to switch my main rig to xubuntu
[15:50] <Noneatme> how is the multi monitor support with xfce?
[15:50] <knome> no problems.
[15:50] <Noneatme> I tried out KDE for a while, but I managed to crash the panels 10 times in a row
[16:04] <whelin> I turned on auto login and my disk is encrypted and now I can't log in--it still asks me for a login password but mine doesn't work. How do I fix this?
[16:04] <whelin> v 14.04
[17:55] <glumpy> how do I add my user to the group cdrom?
[19:11] <dkessel> glumpy: you should be able to do that in the system settings, in Users & Groups
[19:36] <glumpy> dkessel, Could it be that my user is already in the cdrom group? Because I see that under users and groups, under advanced, user privileges - use of cdrom drives is ticked.
[19:38] <dkessel> glumpy: that sure sounds so. Why do you want to add the user to the group? Maybe you're on the wrong track
[19:41] <glumpy> I'm using foobar2000 under wine. It works great, but can't burn cds (I think it doesn't recognize the cdrom). I read here: https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12359#c12 that someone advised people to add their user to the cdrom group in order to be able to give wine access to the cdrom
[19:41] <glumpy> dkessel, Are you using wine?
[19:44] <dkessel> glumpy: yes, but for burning media, i'd always rather use native applications
[19:47] <glumpy> xfburn and brasero fails too much, and I fear k3b will ruin xubuntu (cause it's xfce <> kde)
[20:43] <glumpy> dkessel, Can you recommend something better than xfburn/brasero that can burn audio cds from various formats (mp3/flac/m4a..)
[21:19] <namespace> Um.
[21:19] <namespace> Am I supposed to be able to use su on a default xubuntu install?  I'm imagining a brute force program that runs su for a very long time until it gets in.
[21:27] <namespace> There's no penalty for doing so, so why wouldn't it?
[21:29] <namespace> Unless you have a cron job checking for somebody constantly running su/etc, there's no real chance of detection.
[21:29] <namespace> So you could feasibly have a payload for some exploit that just goes brute forcing for two months until it gets in.
[21:31] <namespace> It also defeats the point of having a separate user and admin account, which is considered best practice.
[21:31] <namespace> Since the user account can just su into the admin account, etc.
[21:44] <xubuntu16w> extend file system
[21:44] <xubuntu16w> how exend file system
[22:42] <nostart> hey, i'm totally out of options here, can't start the OS to install it at all
[22:42] <nostart> can anyone throw out ideas of what it might be?
[22:43] <nostart> it gets to grub, so i can pass grub flags, but it freezes if i start it
[22:44] <nostart> i've tried passing nomodeset and removing quiet splash to account for my nvidia gfx card but it still freezes
[23:54] <Logos01> I apologize if this comes across as trolling but I was informed a few moments ago that someone gave advice to use the "su" binary to handle privilege escalations via an intermediary nonprivileged account which then has sudo rights.
[23:54] <Logos01> Just wanted to drop this note so people could be informed:
[23:54] <Logos01> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/32455684/difference-between-real-user-id-effective-user-id-and-saved-user-id
[23:55] <Logos01> Basically, system audits can keep track of how account/privilege escalation is done via sudo, but cannot do so via "su". If you're going to allow account changes, using "sudo -iu ${nonroot_account}" is *much* better than "su - ${nonroot_account}".
[23:55] <Logos01> I apologize for this interruption.


[04:25] <mboman> is it possible to try out UME in a VMware machine?
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[14:04] <lool> IRC meeting in 3 hours IIUC
[14:09] <smagoun> lool: davidm: has anyone on your team run into a problem with builds in the last day? One of our nightlies just failed, it looks like debconf-1.5.20 is broken and/or incompatible with MIC.
[14:10] <lool> smagoun: Did you hear about the libc breakage?
[14:10] <smagoun> lool: no, please do tell
[14:10] <dholbach> https://launchpad.net/bugs/201673
[14:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201673 in glibc "Hardy: "invalid pointer: 0xb7ef4b70" no program will start." [Critical,Fix released]
[14:10] <lool> smagoun: libc6 has a critical bug over night which triggerred crashes in many applications
[14:11] <smagoun> lool: that is unfortunate.
[14:11] <lool> smagoun: Check your log, if it mentions the broken version, it's likely to have broken your build
[14:11] <lool> smagoun: It is :)
[14:12] <smagoun> lool: my log is fairly useless, but rerunning by hand reveals the malloc error during install of debconf, so....looks like I'm in the same boat as everyone else
[14:13] <lool> smagoun: Upgrade libc6 in your chroot by dpkg-deb-ing on top of i
[14:13] <lool> it
[14:13] <lool> dpkg-deb -x libc6_blah.deb /srv/yourchroot
[14:13] <lool> It should fix the libc, then you can fix the chroot
[14:14] <lool> I think 2.7-9ubuntu2 is the fixed version
[14:14] <smagoun> lool: thanks. I'm just going to write off the broken build, it's not critical. This is why I like snapshots. :)
[14:14] <lool> smagoun: I think it's the first time ever Ubuntu breaks as badly
[14:15] <lool> I think some blog posts and mails went out to tell people how to fix broken systems
[14:15] <smagoun> lool: this may the first time ubuntu is broken this badly (and just before beta - who is in charge??), but it's hardly the first time I've been unable to create an image because of a problem in Ubuntu.
[15:36] <DarkRaven> ..
[16:08] <ouellettesr> Hello I wonder if someone can help me, I just installed the pakage ubuntu-mobile, but i cannot figure out how to start it
[16:14] <agoliveira> ouellettesr: A good way to start is read the faq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/FAQ and everything from above :)
[16:18] <ouellettesr> agoliveira, i should have expected an answer like that, i guess i should have clarified a bit. I read the faq and i am still a bit confused. do i have to create my own disk image or is there a way of starting it as an app from my current installation
[16:21] <AtomicPunk> ouellettesr: it has to be an image, I believe it's either Live CD or USB key, or installable CD or USB key
[16:21] <AtomicPunk> ubuntu-mobile is a whole platform
[16:21] <lool> smagoun: it might hard*l*y the first time that hardy is borken for debootstrap (SCNR)
[16:22] <agoliveira> ouellettesr: You can do both. In any case, you can use a device or run it from a chroot. Check out moblin-image-creator.
[16:22] <lool> smagoun: The reason it's quite grave is that it prevents you from upgrading (or even booting!) to fix it :)
[16:23] <ouellettesr> ok thanks everyone :)
[16:31] <lool> mjg59: Hmm did you push the hildon 2.0 updates to hardy or ppa?
[17:00] <sodarock_laptop2> Is there a meeting going on?
[17:00] <lool> #startmeeting
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:00. The chair is lool.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <praj-laptop> sodarock_laptop2: the meeting got pushed to 10. it should start now
[17:00] <lool> sodarock_laptop2: There is now :)
[17:00] <lool> Hi everybody, hope everybody is doing fine
[17:00] <rustyl_> morning all
[17:01] <tonyespy> KenKC: like this
[17:01] <lool> NB: amitk will be 5 minutes late
[17:01] <agoliveira> Hi all
[17:01] <lool> I'll chair the meeting this week as David is in another one
[17:01] <rustyl_> what was the URL for the wiki with the agenda?
[17:01] <tremolux> 'lo
[17:01] <lool> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting/20080313
[17:02]  * agoliveira proposes that every action today should be given to amitk :)
[17:02] <lool> We'll start by reviewing last weeks action items
[17:02] <lool> [topic] patm to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted]
[17:02] <amitk> agoliveira: I'm back to thwart your sinister plans
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  patm to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted]
[17:02] <lool> I fear patm is going to be in the same call as DannyZ
[17:02] <lool> err davidm
[17:02] <lool> sorry DannyZ
[17:02] <agoliveira> Damn...
[17:02] <lool> patm: Are you around?
[17:02] <patm> I am
[17:02] <lool> Oh cool
[17:02] <patm> but with no boot chart
[17:02] <lool> Hmm
[17:03] <patm> Please carry forward, sorry
[17:03] <lool> patm: Should put this on someone else's shoulders?
[17:03] <patm> lool, no I will keep it, but we moved a deliverable to this week, so needs to be later
[17:03] <lool> [action] patm to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted] [cted]
[17:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  patm to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy CB by 13 March. [cted] [cted]
[17:03] <lool> [topic] davidm & agoliveira to look at what asac provides and get script written by 13 March that does conversion of .po files to xpi structures. [cted]
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  davidm & agoliveira to look at what asac provides and get script written by 13 March that does conversion of .po files to xpi structures. [cted]
[17:04] <lool> davidm didn't manage to work on this last week; he said he would look over the WE
[17:04] <lool> agoliveira: I'll let you report directly:
[17:04] <agoliveira> Same here. Took more time than expected for Asac provide us with the examples we required and I had a very short week last week.
[17:05] <agoliveira> So, please, push it forward.
[17:05] <lool> I'm carrying on the action; it should be escalated if no progress is made next week as we're nearing the release of hardy and asac needs these
[17:05] <lool> [action] davidm & agoliveira to look at what asac provides and get script written by 13 March that does conversion of .po files to xpi structures. [cted] [cted]
[17:05] <MootBot> ACTION received:  davidm & agoliveira to look at what asac provides and get script written by 13 March that does conversion of .po files to xpi structures. [cted] [cted]
[17:05] <lool> [topic] kyleN to prepare a mapping of hildon source packages to gettext domains, and list where the gettext domains are in maemo. [cted]
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  kyleN to prepare a mapping of hildon source packages to gettext domains, and list where the gettext domains are in maemo. [cted]
[17:05] <kyleN> since gettext domains can be set programmatically, there's no absolute way to derive all for a package programmatically. However, I wrote a python tool that gets 90% of the way for an arbitrary/editable set of packages
[17:06] <kyleN> I have a list of the gettext domains for hildon pkgs
[17:06] <lool> Cool; is it published somewhere?  Did you manage to output a mini-map?
[17:06] <kyleN> I have not had a chance to create a deb for it. this is a very busy week for us here...
[17:06] <lool> kyleN: "I have a list of the gettext domains for hildon pkgs" => which one?  the one telling which gettext domains they use or the one they provide?
[17:06] <kyleN> lool, i can email it to you if you are interested
[17:07] <lool> kyleN: Doesn't need to be packaged IMO
[17:07] <lool> kyleN: I think you should publish it on the wiki as an attachment to langpack research page
[17:07] <kyleN> the onees they use
[17:07] <lool> Where we identified this as a prereq
[17:07] <kyleN> I have not yet done the second half: mapping to upstream
[17:07] <lool> Ok; shall I carry on with this part only?
[17:07] <kyleN> yes
[17:08] <lool> [action] kyleN to attach his python script to list gettext domains in use in hildon modules on the langpack research page
[17:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kyleN to attach his python script to list gettext domains in use in hildon modules on the langpack research page
[17:08] <kyleN> python script plus glade file
[17:08] <kyleN> and helper files
[17:08] <lool> [action] kyleN to enhance his python script looking into hildon modules to build a map of where the gettext templates are stored
[17:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kyleN to enhance his python script looking into hildon modules to build a map of where the gettext templates are stored
[17:09] <lool> [topic] kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME
[17:09] <lool> kyleN: Tell us all about it!
[17:09] <kyleN> sorr - haven't had a chance to hit this one yet...
[17:09] <kyleN> please carry over
[17:09] <lool> Okay
[17:09] <lool> [action] kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted]
[17:09] <MootBot> ACTION received:  kyleN to look into hildon-help; what's is useful for and whether we should package it for UME [cted]
[17:10] <lool> [topic] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week
[17:10] <lool> So, I'm supposed to be an example here, and *cough*, I only have hildon-control-panel ready but not even pushed to our bzr repo
[17:10] <lool> I finished pulling the update this afternoon and will push it after the meeting
[17:10] <bfiller> lool: no progress on my end, too busy with customer release, hopefully I'll have some time next week
[17:10] <lool> agoliveira missed the action item which was assigned to him when he was away (during last meeting)
[17:11] <lool> smagoun: did you manage?
[17:11] <smagoun> lool: no progress on my end, too busy with customer release, hopefully I'll have some time next week
[17:11] <lool> bspencer: Did Horace manage to do one or two?
[17:11] <lool> smagoun: You copy-pasted that!
[17:11] <lool> :)
[17:11] <smagoun> lool: yes. We have the same boss.
[17:11] <lool> mjg59: I think you did at least hildon-theme-layout-4 in bzr
[17:12] <lool> Which is the only one you had to do!  100%!
[17:12] <bspencer> lool:  I just got in and saw his email.  I haven't tried it out yet.  But he said he had done something
[17:12] <bspencer> lool: oh, sorry.  I am talking about something else.
[17:12] <bspencer> lool:  I don't know of his status for porting Hildon 2.0   I'll check
[17:12] <lool> bspencer: Please check with him
[17:12] <lool> It looks like everybody was too busy to do all of it
[17:13] <lool> I personally took some notes of the steps I followed and will add them to the wiki page
[17:13] <lool> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2%2e0
[17:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Hildon2%2e0
[17:13] <lool> I guess we'll have to carry over
[17:13] <lool> [action] lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted]
[17:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool review progress on Hildon 2.0 updates next week [cted]
[17:13] <lool> [topic] sabotage to provide drafts of themes tools guide and implementation options as links on the mailing-list
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  sabotage to provide drafts of themes tools guide and implementation options as links on the mailing-list
[17:14] <lool> Hmm where's sabotage and where's mawhalen?
[17:14] <lool> Anyone from Intel can comment on this or grab the relevant people?
[17:14] <bspencer> I'll get sabotage... I don't know about mawhalen.  Let's postpone this agenda item for 20mins
[17:14] <lool> Yes
[17:14] <lool> bspencer: Thanks
[17:15] <lool> [topic] ToddBrandt to turn on moblin-settings-daemon's watching of the gtk theme gconf keys
[17:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  ToddBrandt to turn on moblin-settings-daemon's watching of the gtk theme gconf keys
[17:15] <lool> ToddBrandt: Did you have a change to work on enabling it?
[17:15] <lool> or ToddBrandtClone perhaps?
[17:15] <ToddBrandtClone> oh, oy, actually I haven't done that yet
[17:15] <lool> Hmm ok
[17:15] <ToddBrandtClone> I'll do that today, sorry
[17:15] <lool> Bad you
[17:16] <ToddBrandtClone> yea, I know, the bugs took priority
[17:16] <lool> Carrying to check about it next week
[17:16] <kyleN> please note that we are very intested in this as it appears necessary to get gtk theme switching working
[17:16] <lool> ToddBrandtClone: ack
[17:16] <lool> [action] ToddBrandt to turn on moblin-settings-daemon's watching of the gtk theme gconf keys [cted]
[17:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ToddBrandt to turn on moblin-settings-daemon's watching of the gtk theme gconf keys [cted]
[17:16] <lool> [topic] rustyl (+ lool if necessary) document release process for Moblin modules
[17:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  rustyl (+ lool if necessary) document release process for Moblin modules
[17:16]  * ToddBrandtClone hangs head in shame
[17:16] <lool> So AFAIK, this happened
[17:16] <lool> congrats to rustyl_
[17:16] <lool> He managed to do tarball releases of almost all moblin projects I think
[17:16] <lool> rustyl_: kudos to you!
[17:17] <rustyl_> k
[17:17] <lool> rustyl_: I personally had in mind that there would be some kind of process document on moblin.org for module maintainers, but perhaps you have an internal one, to release subsequent tarballs?
[17:17] <rustyl_> we are working on a presentation
[17:17] <bfiller> lool: are there plans to incorporate CDBS into debian/rules so we can make patches?
[17:18] <rustyl_> it just isn't ready yet
[17:18] <lool> bfiller: Yes; I think we'll discuss this in "(lool) Rebasing on the Moblin released tarballs"
[17:18] <lool> bfiller: Just after that
[17:18] <bfiller> lool: thanks
[17:19] <lool> rustyl_: Ok; well thanks for the efforts; I'm around to help you succeed in defining/documenting the process
[17:19] <lool> rustyl_: I'd also like to talk to moving to these new tarballs now, but I made this a separate topic
[17:19] <rustyl_> yea, this needs some discussion
[17:19] <lool> Moving on to current items for today's meeting
[17:19] <lool> Hmm I'll flip two because one is easier
[17:20] <lool> [topic] (lool) Launchpad bugs, ubuntu-mobile subscription, and ume tag
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  (lool) Launchpad bugs, ubuntu-mobile subscription, and ume tag
[17:20] <lool> EVERYBODY (that's you) please add the ume tag to LP bugs which concern UME
[17:20] <lool> And subscribe the ubuntu-mobile LP team to them
[17:20] <rustyl_> lool, is there a way to apply a tag to a collection of bugs?
[17:20] <lool> This is to help everybody keep track of important bugs we have to follow for UME and derived projects
[17:21] <lool> rustyl_: Excellent question, I think not
[17:21] <rustyl_> or do you have to go through each and every bug
[17:21] <rustyl_> darn
[17:21] <lool> rustyl_: This would seem to suck
[17:21] <lool> rustyl_: You might be able to set it via email though
[17:21]  * rustyl_ looks to see if his moblin-media bugs are tagged already
[17:22] <lool> rustyl_: We have some hacked up python bindings to deal with bug reports though
[17:22] <lool> rustyl_: Perhaps you can use these to do as you desire?
[17:22] <lool> rustyl_: "python-launchpad-bugs"
[17:22]  * sabotage hears his name being taken in vain
[17:22] <rustyl_> i'll read about it
[17:23] <lool> rustyl_: But please file a feature request if you can't find the tagging feature you're looking for
[17:23] <rustyl_> ok
[17:23] <lool> rustyl_: You'd have to file it against "malone", that's the launchpad bug tracker
[17:23] <lool> sabotage: Thanks for coming; I'll reopen your topic now then
[17:23] <lool> So please everybody tag and subscribe!
[17:23] <lool> And file bugs, don't discuss issues via email or IRC :)
[17:24] <lool> [topic] sabotage to provide drafts of themes tools guide and implementation options as links on the mailing-list
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  sabotage to provide drafts of themes tools guide and implementation options as links on the mailing-list
[17:24] <lool> sabotage: Tears flows on my face: no themes tools guide this week?
[17:24] <bspencer> s/don't discuss issues via email or IRC/don't discuss issues JUST via email or IRC
[17:24] <lool> bspencer: Right
[17:24] <lool> Mention the bug in your email :)
[17:24] <sabotage> ok, so I dropped the ball this week, but I've identified the wiki that I will be publishing it in
[17:25] <lool> sabotage: Do you need any help to publish the guide?
[17:25] <sabotage> can you make days longer?
[17:25] <lool> And your thoughts on implementation options?
[17:25] <lool> sabotage: I can keep you up longer before you're allowed to sleep :)
[17:26] <sabotage> honestly, I've been completely swamped with another project, so I just need to kick it out for visibility
[17:26]  * sabotage was up till 1:30am last night as it is
[17:26] <lool> sabotage: Please try to push this out this week -- even a draft
[17:26] <sabotage> yep, ball is already rolling
[17:26] <lool> Cool
[17:26] <lool> [action] sabotage to provide drafts of themes tools guide and implementation options as links on the mailing-list [cted]
[17:26] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sabotage to provide drafts of themes tools guide and implementation options as links on the mailing-list [cted]
[17:27] <sabotage> is HappyCamp on?
[17:27] <lool> Resuming on next item to discuss
[17:27] <lool> [topic] (lool) Rebasing on the Moblin released tarballs
[17:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  (lool) Rebasing on the Moblin released tarballs
[17:27] <bspencer> sodarock
[17:27] <sabotage> HappyCamp, HappyCamp_ubuntu  need you to read my email and set me up
[17:27] <lool> So, we have these cool Moblin tarballs
[17:27] <sabotage> this will get the theme guide moving
[17:27] <lool> We should move to using them
[17:28] <lool> rustyl_: I'm not sure I made this clear enough, but one thing which we want to keep is Intel publishing its releases all the way down to the ppa
[17:28] <rustyl_> lool, i understand
[17:28] <lool> But the transition frmo the current mode to the mode where we use tarballs needs a little extra efforts
[17:28] <bspencer> rustyl_: lool:   how does that work again, with ubuntu adding patches on their own?
[17:28] <lool> It's similar in spirit to the Hildon 2.0 modules transition
[17:28] <rustyl_> and there is confusion on our end
[17:29]  * bspencer confesses a bit of confusion :)
[17:29] <lool> bspencer: The idea is that we put patches in debian/patches; when a new upstream release comes out and you push it to the ppa, you drop the debian/patches which have been merged upstream and port the other ones
[17:29] <lool> rustyl_: Where is the confusion?
[17:29] <bspencer> lool:  ok.  I understand.  I missed that patches change
[17:30] <lool> This will make the Ubuntu/ppa specific changes into separate patches, and easy to rebase on the next release
[17:31] <rustyl_> lool, If you gave everyone a written test that made them explain exactly what commands/steps you need to do go from "i have a new tarball release" to "i am now calling dput to push to the ppa", i'm afraid most intel people would fail the test
[17:31] <ToddBrandtClone> Do each of the project owners need to upload their source to the hardy ppa for each release still or has this been streamlined
[17:31] <lool> rustyl_: Ok, the cool thing is that it's going to be very easy
[17:31]  * ToddBrandtClone Todd trumps bspencer's confusion
[17:31] <lool> Once we get it done *once*
[17:31] <lool> Subsequent updates are going to be easy
[17:31] <GrueMaster> i fail.
[17:32] <lool> ToddBrandtClone: We would like project owners to please continue doing so
[17:32] <ToddBrandtClone> lool: ok, our source repo layout has changed so I guess I have some more questions for rusty
[17:32] <lool> It's so damn easy that it's basically: dget -x the current ppa source, uupdate with the new tarball, update the packaging and patches, upload
[17:32] <ToddBrandtClone> rusty_: do we have a HARDY branch now in addition to GASTON?
[17:32] <rustyl_> ToddBrandt, the packaging for hardy is not in the source repository
[17:33] <rustyl_> ToddBrandt, that hardy branch is now defunct
[17:33] <ToddBrandtClone> rustyl_: yea but we still haev to use the debian tools to create the source package, which require the debian dir, which is no longer in master
[17:33] <lool> ToddBrandtClone: Exactly, that dir you retrieve from the ppa each time you plan an upload
[17:33] <lool> ToddBrandtClone: It might have been updated by other folks, for example me
[17:33] <ToddBrandtClone> ahhh
[17:34] <ToddBrandtClone> the missing piece, I'm learning, gotcha
[17:34] <rustyl_> yeap, that's the idea
[17:34] <lool> If you prefer, instead of "uupdate" you simply "copy over the debian/"; it should end up being the same
[17:34] <ToddBrandtClone> k, thx
[17:34] <lool> This is the *target* process
[17:34] <lool> Before this, we need to add support for debian/patches/ in each package
[17:35] <lool> mjg59 did it in hildon-theme-layout-4
[17:35] <ToddBrandtClone> ok, so until then we create the hardy packages like before
[17:35] <lool>   * Add simple-patchsys from CDBS
[17:35] <lool>   * Build-depend on CDBS
[17:35] <lool> That's his changelog entry
[17:35] <lool> What we did in debian/rules:
[17:35] <lool> - he added:
[17:35] <lool> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[17:35] <rustyl_> we several things on moblin that need to do a new release, so we have some projects to try to run through the new process
[17:35] <lool> - he changed the dependencies of the targets to apply/unapply the patches:
[17:36] <lool> build: apply-patches build-stamp
[17:36] <lool> This means applying the patches is a prereq for the build
[17:36] <lool> You might have to rename clean: to clean:: as simple-patchsys.mk defines it as well
[17:36] <lool> This is all it takes to add debian/patches support
[17:36]  * agoliveira is happy that the word "quilt" didn't make into this conversation so far :)
[17:37] <lool> The other thing to do is to compare the Ubuntu ppa tree to the moblin release it claims to base on to see which changes were done since this moblin release
[17:37] <bfiller> lool: do moblin folks take the patches in debian/patches and incorporate them into the source and remove the patches?
[17:37] <lool> These changes should be converted to debian/patches/*.patch files
[17:38] <lool> bfiller: The person authoring the patch should take care to send it to moblin folks
[17:38] <rustyl_> bfiller, i think incorporating existing packages before making a release is a good goal
[17:38] <lool> Moblin folks are naturally welcome to look from time to time if there would be interesting patches which failed the upstreaming process
[17:38] <lool> Does anybody has any question on how it will work and what remains to be done?
[17:39] <rustyl_> it makes a nice way to send a patch.... send an email to the maintainer with moblin devel list cc'ed, and at the same time upload the patch to the ppa
[17:39] <bfiller> lool: so if I had a patch, I would put the patch in debian/patches, upload to the ppa and also send the patch to moblin?
[17:39] <lool> Perhaps we should file a bug instead of mailing the maintainer?
[17:39] <lool> rustyl_: Would that work for you?
[17:39] <ToddBrandtClone> I vote for mailing the maintainer, that info would be very useful
[17:40] <lool> bfiller: Perhaps opening a bug is more logical than using email
[17:40] <lool> ToddBrandtClone: Doesn't the maintainer get an email for new bugs?
[17:40] <rustyl_> yes, filling a bug is good
[17:40] <rustyl_> the maintainer will get the mail via launchpad
[17:40] <davidm>  Can do both but filing a bug is important,  and has been requested by Don Johnson.
[17:40] <ToddBrandtClone> ok
[17:40] <davidm> Need tracking
[17:40] <rustyl_> but we need to cc the devel list for potential discussion on the patch
[17:41] <lool> rustyl_: I think that's a logical escalation when a bug fix isn't consensual indeed
[17:41] <lool> (or any change, not necessarily a bug fix)
[17:42] <lool> Should I document what we just discussed on a wiki page? (how tarball releases work down to the ppa and how patches are added+sent back)?
[17:42] <davidm> lool, yes please
[17:42] <ToddBrandtClone> yes
[17:42] <rustyl_> yes
[17:42] <cwong1> +1
[17:43] <lool> [action] lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process
[17:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to document tarball release + ppa upload process and patch addition + submission process
[17:43] <davidm> Just out of the other meeting, sorry I'm late.
[17:43] <lool> Ok; last thing to discuss on the topic is who is going to do the work to conver the ppa packages to the layout
[17:43] <lool> This requires adding support for debian/patches and extracting the current ppa-only changes as patch files
[17:43] <lool> I propose we split that like the Hildon 2.0 modules
[17:44] <lool> Does that work for everybody?
[17:44] <lool> rustyl_: Would you be willing to participate?
[17:44] <lool> Who from Intel would be willing to take a share?
[17:44] <lool> Everybody I guess! :)
[17:45] <rustyl_> lool, if somebody does the first package, then I would be happy to do (or delegate) several of the other packages
[17:45] <bspencer> mawhalen -- since she's not here.
[17:45] <lool> rustyl_: deal
[17:45] <rustyl_> i just need the first package to cookbook from
[17:45] <rustyl_> and by several, i mean i can find people to do all the rest of the moblin projects
[17:46] <lool> rustyl_: I'll mail you with the steps I follow for a sample package, you will split the work amongst Intel people for some modules you'll list me and the others we shall do?
[17:46] <lool> rustyl_: Cool
[17:46] <lool> [action] lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process
[17:46] <MootBot> ACTION received:  lool to send rustyl_ steps to update ppa packages for the new tarball based release process
[17:47] <lool> [action] rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process
[17:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  rustyl_ to assign ppa packages updates for the new tarball based release process
[17:47] <lool> Does anybody have any question on this?
[17:47] <rustyl_> yea
[17:47] <rustyl_> what 'project' to i write launchpad bugs against?
[17:47] <rustyl_> 'launchpad' doesn't work
[17:48] <lool> rustyl_: To report the malone bug?
[17:48] <rustyl_> to report the 'i want to assign a tag to a couple hundred bugs at once' feature request
[17:48] <lool> rustyl_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug select "Project" type "malone" and search
[17:48] <lool> s/search/choose
[17:49] <rustyl_> what is malone?
[17:49] <lool> As I was saying earlier, it's the Launchpad bug tracking subproject
[17:49] <rustyl_> got it
[17:49] <lool> rustyl_: https://launchpad.net/projects/?text=launchpad
[17:50] <lool> rustyl_: You'll see "Launchpad Bugs"
[17:50] <rustyl_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/201874
[17:50] <lool> It's technical/unix name is "malone"
[17:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201874 in malone "Need ability to apply tag to a collection of bugs" [Undecided,New]
[17:50] <lool> rustyl_: Tada
[17:50] <bfiller> slightly obscure, I'd say :)
[17:50] <bfiller> malone, that is
[17:50] <rustyl_> it keeps thing mysterious
[17:51] <bfiller> good way to keep people from filing bugs :)
[17:51] <GrueMaster> Nah, it's perfectly intuitive.
[17:51] <lool> Let's end the meeting in a mysterious way then!
[17:51] <agoliveira> rustyl_: Santa Rosa? Diamondville? McAslin?
[17:51] <agoliveira> :)
[17:51] <lool> [endmeeting] malone! soyuz!
[17:51] <lool> #endmeeting
[17:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:51.
[17:51] <rustyl_> i sl8r
[17:51] <lool> told you it would be mysterious
[17:51] <lool> Thanks everybody for attending
[17:57] <amitk> jayc: I have rebased the ume trees on zinc. Looking at your merged ACPI_VIDEO patch next.
[17:59] <jay> amitk: thanks
[18:00] <jay> amitk: once that ACPI_VIDEO thing is clear to me I will upload moblin new patches to ume.
[18:00] <agoliveira> mjg59: When are you arriving in Recife?
[18:04] <anoikis> hi there
[18:04] <anoikis> any polish here?
[18:08] <anoikis> nie macie kurwa co robi chyba
[18:08] <anoikis> i z zwiazku z tym nic nie robicie
[18:09] <anoikis> bez sensu:D
[18:52] <mjg59> lool: just bzr,  haven't uploaded it yet
[18:53] <mjg59> agoliveira: tomorrow
[18:54] <agoliveira> mjg59: Nice.  See you there then.
[18:57] <lool> mjg59: Okely
[19:01] <lool> Mithrandir: Could you please add me to the ChanServ access list for #ubuntu-mobile?
[19:07] <Mithrandir> lool: done
[19:07] <lool> Mithrandir: thanks!
[19:07] <lool> Mithrandir: Whois markuman BTW?
[19:14] <Mithrandir> no idea, some guy who registered the channel ages ago and wanted to use it for something laptop-related.
[19:14] <Mithrandir> I prodded some freenode people to get it transferred to us, but didn't have the time to push it through
[20:37] <inuka_desk> smagoun, ping..
[20:38] <smagoun> inuka_desk: what's up?
[20:38] <inuka_desk> samgoun, you get the 3 drivers from arms right?
[20:38] <inuka_desk> smagoun, do you get modified libraries of mesa with that ?
[20:38] <smagoun> inuka_desk: which 3 drivers?
[20:38] <inuka_desk> sorry 3d  drivers for poulsbo
[20:39] <smagoun> inuka_desk: I get 3d drivers and a libgl1-mesa-dri-psb from ARMS
[20:39] <smagoun> that's the only mesa library I get though
[20:42] <inuka_desk> smagoun, you dont happen to use the mesa src that you get from arms right? (assumming you get an updated mesa src)
[20:42] <smagoun> inuka_desk: I don't think we've been pulling mesa source
[20:42] <inuka_desk> smagoun, thanks for the info
[20:43] <smagoun> inuka_desk: am I supposed to pull mesa source from arms?
[20:44] <inuka_desk> smagoun, I think so, I will let you know once I know for sure.
[20:44] <smagoun> inuka_desk: ok, thanks
[21:01] <davidm> mjg59, are you calling in?
[21:02] <mjg59> davidm: Just done so
[21:23] <inuka_desk> smagoun, FYI you do have to build the mesa src and install the binaries for the 3d poulsbo stuff to work correctly. If not there will be performance issues.
[21:24] <smagoun> inuka_desk: ok, that's really good to know. Do you have any plans to push the mesa changes to the PPA?
[21:24] <inuka_desk> smagoun, no not for now anyway
[21:24] <smagoun> hmm. Ok, I'll take a look at it. Thanks for the info
[21:25] <inuka_desk> smagoun, np


[05:14] <SangeetKhatri> hey can someone help me to get banshee to work in lubuntu 13.04
[05:15] <SangeetKhatri> it just attempts to play music attempts 5 songs and then stops but in the process no music is played at all, something similar is happening with other music players
[05:48] <csc`> Anyone have any reports of 13.04 failing to shut down properly?
[05:49] <SangeetKhatri> i cannot play mp3 in banshee in lubuntu 13.04
[05:50] <Unit193> You install a codec for mp3?
[05:50] <csc`> ^-
[05:50] <Unit193> !mp3
[05:51] <csc`> Unit193, any reports of odd shutdown bugs in Ringtail?
[05:51] <csc`> that you're aware of anyway
[05:51] <Unit193> I don't know of any.
[05:51] <Unit193> (Read, I don't have any.)
[05:52] <csc`> hmm, well in that case, my laptop fails to shut down at all after the update to ringtail
[05:52] <csc`> any particular log I should sift?
[05:52] <csc`> (it just stalls at the text shutdown, no particular error or anything)
[05:54] <csc`> going to try the proposed update kernel and see if it does anything to remedy the issue
[12:28] <SangeetKhatri> hey i cannot pplay mp3's in banshee in lubuntu 13.04 even after installing lubuntu-restricted-extras package
[12:40] <SangeetKhatri> hey guys i cannot play any mp3 in banshee in lubuntu 13.04 even after installing lubuntu-restricted-extras. I ran banshee in debug mode and here is the output from terminal http://pastebin.com/fhXmJaTQ
[12:56] <SangeetKhatri> this is said to be support channel.. Why the fck is no one here to solve my problem
[12:56] <SangeetKhatri> fuck
[13:00] <pmatulis> SangeetKhatri: calm down bro
[13:00] <pmatulis> SangeetKhatri: can you play other formats (i.e. other than MP3)?
[13:04] <SangeetKhatri> i don't have any other files than mp3 to test them out
[13:04] <SangeetKhatri> but yeah mp3's are working fine in audacious and VLC
[13:05] <SangeetKhatri> but i cannot run any mp3 is any professional music player like Rhythmbox, Bansshee, Xnoise, etc
[13:36] <pmatulis> SangeetKhatri: sounds like banshee is busted.  i suggest testing with other formats and then report results in this way:
[13:37] <pmatulis> ubuntu-bug banshee
[16:08] <anasiete> Hi there. I've installed Lubuntu in Toshiba NB100. Everything goes properly but the speed of my access to the Internet is 1M instead of 10M (the speed I reach with another laptop with Ubuntu). I've tried both the wireless and the wired conection and the result is the same. I've tried to find a solution by reading other posts but I've found nothing. Thank you for helping me.
[16:11] <holstein> anasiete: i would try some speed tests and determine that you are actually getting slow speeds, and not just getting a reading like that
[16:14] <anasiete> I've already tried different speed tests and the result is always the same: with my netbook with Lubuntu I get round 1Mb while with my laptop with Ubuntu I get round 10 Mb
[16:14] <holstein> anasiete: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[16:15] <holstein> anasiete: its more likely you have an older version of ubuntu and a newer version of lubuntu.. and the kernel driver support is "different".. is that the case?
[16:17] <anasiete> I have Ubuntu 12.04 and Lubuntu 12.10
[16:18] <anasiete> Holstein: as that is the case (older version of ubuntu and a newer version of lubuntu), what do you suggest?
[16:19] <holstein> anasiete: since all is well in the 12.04 version, i would either just install LXDE in ubuntu 12.04, or lubuntu-desktop.. or just install 12.04.. you can always look for specific bugs relating to 12.10 and your hardware, or try the latest 13.04 live and test
[16:22] <anasiete> Holstein: thank you very much. I'll start with your last option as it looks like the eaiest one.
[16:22] <holstein> anasiete: and, 13.04 is the latest..
[16:22] <holstein> anasiete: cheers and good luck
[17:09] <n-iCe> phillw: around?
[17:11] <n-iCe> something is wrong with the 13.04 iso cd
[17:11] <n-iCe> Again grub failed
[17:22] <n-iCe> seems this time is working
[17:22] <n-iCe> I really hope so
[19:17] <cerebrate> lubuntu gets wonky results trying to run games, for examply black screens instead of Animations:c
[19:17] <cerebrate> rr
[19:17] <cerebrate> cinematics and splash screens, not showing the full game environment ;-;
[19:22] <cerebrate> im talking about windows games
[19:22] <cerebrate> play't 'n' win'
[19:22] <cerebrate> play't 'n win'
[20:24] <cerebrate> *played
[23:11] <devilboy> hi all
[23:11] <devilboy> no problem so far with my lubuntu 12.10 on stability
[23:13] <devilboy> one issue only! am connected over the internet through USB WIFI ADAPTER but from this one USB Port, networks doesn't come up to be shown. Any update coming to fix this ?
[23:14] <Unit193> I have built-in, and sometimes I need to  sudo service network-manager restart  before it'll show the networks.  But, this could be an entirely different issue.
[23:15] <devilboy> UNit193, what's the command you are writting to refresh or wake up network manager ? :P
[23:15] <devilboy> sudo service network-manager restart ?
[23:16] <devilboy> i will try it
[23:16] <Unit193> Seems like Bug #1027638
[23:17] <devilboy> Unit193, worked. Thanks! :-)
[23:18] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[23:18] <devilboy> ^_^
[23:18] <devilboy> irc never gets old!
[23:23] <devilboy> good night/morning Unit193, and thanks again! :)