[01:22] <chaos89> dont mean to bug but any luck? akutz
[13:50] <akutz> chaos89: Sorry, it was a busy day of meetings.
[13:51] <akutz> chaos12: Sorry, wrong user name
[13:52] <akutz> chaos87: There you are :) I'm sorry, I'm not sure I fully understand what you want to do.
[13:53] <chaos87> haha no problem. Glad you're around today. So here's my usecase: I have a switch without a DHCP server, I want VMs I provision to be given a static IP from a pool defined in a network protocol profile.
[13:53] <chaos87> The old way: using vApp OVF dynamic properties, you could have an IP automatically get allocated from the pool to the property and configure the network interface
[13:54] <chaos87> New way: It is no longer possible using the new vmware datasource to get this information or have IPs set to instance metadata from the pool. So you can't configure networking using the new guestinfo properties
[13:55] <akutz> Can you not continue to use the old way?
[13:55] <akutz> (not saying we shouldn't figure out the use case using the new DS .. I just want to be clear on whether or not the old way still works)
[13:56] <akutz> Does the old way, vApp OVF dynamic properties, leverage the OVF datasource? I'm trying to figure out how exactly the old way actually ends up assigning the network information inside the guest.
[13:57] <chaos87> Not really, sort of. As you're probably aware you can't use the vApp properties and new DS at the same time. Since the properties aren't available as instance metadata you can't configure a "network" block in the cloudinit metadata info because you cant get those vApp properties. There is a hack, which is to use the vmtoolsd cli in a script to pull
[13:57] <chaos87> this information from vApp then configure and run netplan apply
[13:57] <chaos87> Here's an example of the hack: https://www.virtualthoughts.co.uk/2020/03/29/rancher-vsphere-network-protocol-profiles-and-static-ip-addresses-for-k8s-nodes/
[13:58] <chaos87> I disabled the OVF properties because 1) That is the steps outlined in the old repo (before it was merged upstream) 2) because I don't want to use OVF properties since I want to configure networking in the metadata block
[13:59] <chaos87> I can't use the upstream cloud init yet in 20.04 because the new version of cloud init won't be released in those repos. So until 22.04 we're using the old repo
[14:00] <akutz> > As you're probably aware you can't use the vApp properties and new DS at the same time
[14:00] <akutz> I was not in fact aware of this. How so?
[14:01] <chaos87> Because they get disabled when applying your patch to the cloud-init config file which sets the new DS as the only datastore
[14:02] <chaos87> Besides I'm not sure using the old DS would matter, I think it was the vmware customization that actually configured the network interface. You can't use vmware customization and cloud init at the same time. I can link you the vmware docs about that
[14:03] <chaos87> https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/54986
[14:07] <akutz> Which patch is setting that as the only DS? Which distro? The DS does not need to necessarily conflict with others. AFAIK only Photon is hardcoding the DS selection to my DS. You could also override that with a kernel param IIRC>
[14:07] <chaos87> https://github.com/vmware-archive/cloud-init-vmware-guestinfo/blob/master/99-DataSourceVMwareGuestInfo.cfg
[14:07] <chaos87> 20.04, can't use upstream because its not released in those repos
[14:08] <chaos87> but I think this is sort of a moot point. I don't think having both would solve my problem
[14:16] <akutz> Could you see if Ubuntu Impish works? Because it does not limit the DS. Also, you could simply not apply the above patch. I would be interested in knowing whether both DSs *would* work.
[14:17] <akutz> In the meantime, I honestly do not know a whole lot about vApp dynamic properties or the way the current OVF DS uses them.
[14:17] <chaos87> I could try but I don't think it's the OVF DS that uses them. I think it was vmware customization which has to be turned off to use cloud init
[14:18] <akutz> I *can* say that the team responsible for the VMware-specific code paths/features in the OVF DS are working to move that logic to the new VMware DS so no matter the transport type, all VMware code paths in cloud-init will have access to the same post-transport features.
[14:18] <chaos87> so even with the OVF DS, I don't think this use case would work
[14:19] <akutz> I guess I'm confused. Do you *want* to use cloud-init at all? If not, why don't you just disable it and use the customization you've been using?
[14:19] <chaos87> I want to use cloud-init. We use it for configuring other features that isn't possible with vmware customization. But because of that, now networking will not wokr
[14:19] <akutz> Also, I am really sorry if I seem pedantic or troublesome. I admit I do not know a lot about the other code paths / customization options.
[14:19] <akutz> Ah...
[14:20] <akutz> Heh. Yeah, *that* I know.
[14:20] <akutz> Hang on.
[14:21] <chaos87> My first pass idea would be to ask you, in cloud-init (in general) can you template instance metadata in the "metadata" stage when configuring networking? And if so, maybe we could have the new DS grab the ovfProperties using vmtoolsd and place it in the instance metadata?
[14:21] <chaos87> That way I could reference those vApp properties and configure networking. Either that or the dynamic properties would need to work as extra_config in vSphere and have those pulled in as metadata but I imagine that would be a bigger change
[14:21] <akutz> So that's part of what the other team I mentioned up above is considering doing.
[14:21] <akutz> But hang on.
[14:21] <chaos87> ok!
[14:21] <akutz> I actually have a patch to your current issue. We hit the same thing.
[14:23] <akutz> chaos87: https://gist.github.com/akutz/55bb2c13d1849fbce4ec98bacbcd3cd5
[14:23] <akutz> See if that helps
[14:25] <akutz> We hit this issue when wanting to bootstrap guest networking using GuestOS customization but wanting to apply user data with cloud-init. The project I'm leading is switching to using cloud-init to bootstrap the network, so this is no longer an issue for us. But still, the linked files should be a way you can defer cloud-init in order to use vmtools to configure the networking and have cloud-init run on second boot to handle the user data
[14:26] <akutz> As for:
[14:26] <akutz> >  My first pass idea would be to ask you, in cloud-init (in general) can you template instance metadata in the "metadata" stage when configuring networking?
[14:27] <akutz> Jinja templating does not apply at the stage where metadata is consumed. This is because the metadata is in fact what serves as the basis for the templating engine.
[14:27] <chaos87> hmm so after configuring this on a template VM I should be able to clone it and have vApp properties configure networking, but still be able to use the new DS with extra_config for userdata?
[14:27] <chaos87> damn so even that solution wouldn't work. I wouldn't be able to grab the IP information during the metadata stage
[14:27] <akutz> You keep saying "new" DS, but you appear to be using the old, out-of-tree DS.
[14:28] <akutz> Also, you *can* use templated data to interpolate userdata, with the template pointing to information about the network. See https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources/vmware.html#instance-data-and-lazy-networks
[14:29] <chaos87> sorry, "new" DS as in the not OVF one
[14:29] <akutz> And https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/instancedata.html#using-instance-data
[14:29] <akutz> >sorry, "new" DS as in the not OVF one
[14:29] <akutz> Fair, except to me this isn't new as it's been around since 2018. It only got merged into Cloud-Init proper last month, but it's existed in plenty of images for three years. Not arguing -- just explaining why I had the disconnect.
[14:30] <chaos87> Ya that's fair.
[14:30] <chaos87> Regarding your links. This still would mean you'd have to sort of cobble together a netplan in the userdata steps and run netplan apply which is too bad. But at least its a work around for when that information might be available as instance metadata
[14:31] <akutz> I get your point though.
[14:31] <akutz> If I could, you would like to:
[14:31] <akutz> * Have the get_data function, when getting the metadata, merge the dynamic information into the metadata
[14:31] <akutz> * And possibly take some of that and use it to replace variables in the network v2 config already in the metadata
[14:32] <akutz> * Where the variables are replaced by the dynamic info from the vApp dynamic keys or whatever
[14:32] <akutz> Is that close to what you are saying? Sorry, I am very, very slow. :)
[14:34] <chaos87> exactly!!
[14:36] <chaos87> imo the "fallback" networking config of cloud-init in the DS should try to use the vApp dynamic properties if they exist (theres a specific pattern that you're supposed to follow for the property keys) and configure networking for you if no other network v2 config is provided
[14:40] <chaos87> what you describe is even better though because you get full control over using those keys
[14:43] <akutz> I am not sure what you mean by the "vApp dynamic properties." OVF properties are totally up to the vendor/user to define in the OVF. There's no standard for how these are mapped to networking of which I am aware. Not unless you're referring to something specific that VMware does in conjunction with the OVF DS in order to pass in information constructed in such a way the OVF DS knows how to read it.
[14:46] <chaos87> I'm not sure who reads it, whether its the OVF DS or the vmware customization tool. vApp has specific settings in the UI to select what IP allocation scheme you're doing and you can select from the network protocol profile pool to get assigned an IP.
[14:46] <chaos87> https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/7.0/com.vmware.vsphere.networking.doc/GUID-DBF79F52-925A-4D0D-893C-49B911D3AC54.html
[14:47] <chaos87> If you format your vApp property value as "{ip:MY-NETWORK-SWITCH}" for example, the value will dynamically get set to an IP from the pool
[14:48] <chaos87> (there's info about this in that blog post I sent you where someone hacks together using the vApp properties with cloud init instead of vmware customization)
[14:48] <akutz> I see. So there *is* a specific property group/key pattern you can follow. Interesting. TIL! (and I work for the company!) :)
[14:48] <chaos87> I believe so. I've seen it so far as "guestinfo.interface.0.ip.0.address" for example
[14:49] <akutz> Well, *that* is the old way the old Photon DS did it before they switched to my DS. But that was back in 2018.
[14:49] <chaos87> trust me, I'm just as confused as you when it comes to how these are supposed to work.
[14:50] <akutz> https://github.com/vmware/photon/blob/8f264e3b418e2201d6edaf92f5572184817df247/SPECS/cloud-init/datasource-guestinfo.patch
[14:50] <chaos87> What you described as a solution seems the most flexible to me
[14:50] <akutz> (the old Photon DS. You can see the pattern you mentioned there)
[14:50] <chaos87> ahh I see. Yea so I'd basically like to have a way to do that using cloud-init. I don't mind providing my own networking v2 config if theres a way I can use those properties
[14:55] <blackboxsw> falcojr: do you have an update branch button for the Vultr changes. I've +1''d but can't use github UI or git push direct on that branch to rebase against tip of main https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/987
[14:56] <akutz> But see, even *those* properties are just made up for that old DS. You don't really want a way to use *those* properties. You want a way to lazily pull in *some* data into the v2 network config set in *some* properties outside of guestinfo.metadata, before the new DS returns that net config to cloud-init for netplan processing
[14:57] <falcojr> blackboxsw: no, the submitter has control over whether to allow maintainers to make changes to the branch. It's enabled by default, but I know of one organization (not sure if it was Vultr) that wanted it disabled for their PRs
[14:58] <chaos87> Yea there's just no other way that I know of in vSphere to have properties set dynamically based on the IP pool defined in a network protocol profile. akutz
[14:58] <falcojr> blackboxsw: just ask nicely and don't let me merge anything in the meantime ;)
[14:58] <akutz> ~note to self -- research this IP pool / network protocol profile thing chaos87 keeps mentioning...~
[14:58] <chaos87> But yes if there's a way we could use any of the vApp properties in the metadata stage, it doesn't have to be specifically *those* properties. Just any properties that allow this dynamic value
[14:59] <chaos87> https://docs.vmware.com/en/VMware-vSphere/7.0/com.vmware.vsphere.networking.doc/GUID-D24DBAA0-68BD-49B9-9744-C06AE754972A.html
[14:59] <akutz> Ack. Fair. Good feature request. falcojr: Would you prefer we use launchpad to track this enhancement request or something internal at VMware?
[15:01] <chaos87> If it's on launchpad or somewhere public I'd love to watch it and can help with any testing or field questions
[15:06] <falcojr> akutz: (haven't followed this whole conversation, but in general) public on Launchpad is preferable though just so people can see/comment, but it's ultimately up to you
[15:06] <akutz> Ack. Will do. Thanks!
[15:07] <falcojr> blackboxsw: also, on that point I've always thought our merge policy is too strict. I get that non-ff merges can rarely introduce unintended bugs, but in my professional career I've seen that happen maybe twice, and we never release without running through CI first anyway
[15:09] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I think we could back that off and cope with it if we start seeing problems. Given our coverage on release testing, and our more strict unittest integration test coverage on PRs I'm ok with that.
[15:13] <falcojr> blackboxsw: the bigger issue is probably when somebody submits a PR and CI is broken because of something they didn't do. That's not good, but probably also rare enough that I think the tradeoff is worth it. If we're worried about that, we could also run the same CI job internally on jenkins on every merge to master so we know right away if we need
[15:13] <falcojr> to go fix something. Probably still more efficient than the "update branch" babysitting we do right now
[16:33] <chaos87> akutz let me know if you make an issue for it so I can bookmark :)
[16:34] <akutz> I will :)
[16:34] <chaos87> For now from what I hear my workarounds may be, 1) disable clout-init's networking steps and rely on vmware customization reading these and configuring networking or 2) use the userdata step to write out a netplan and apply it using the vmtoolsd cli to read these properties
[16:34] <chaos87> I'll give those a shot :)
[21:21] <emix> hi everyone! i've spent few days on learning cloudinit and coding a ds server for a public cloud project. however i just cant wrap my head around the datasources. are there any general recommendation of what network-based ds to use if you don't make your own? i've been tempted to write my own but does it really make sense for everyone to do that?
[21:21] <emix> i mean nocloud is great for your own stuff but as soon as you need more dynamic metadata it seems there is nothing "generic" ?


[16:36] <sparr> JontheEchidna: ok, whatever it is, it's multiply broken
[16:36] <sparr> and i cant run gnome's nm-applet (which mostly works) in kde any more in intrepid
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> KDesk: SuSE is aiming for it to be done in time for the next suse release
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> and it will be a plasmoid
[16:37] <sparr> what is the solution for connecting to a VPN in kde in intrepid, today?  not 6 months from now
[16:37] <nyad> Hi. Amarok doesn't autostart after I have logged out of kde4
[16:37] <KDesk> JontheEchidna: ah, that is good! I will be watching kde-look for the plasmoid :)
[16:38] <KDesk> nyad: you have to see in System Settings in the advanced tab in Session manager, there you can cnfig if you want to save the session when you logout
[16:39] <silto> bonjour à tous!
[16:39] <nyad> KDesk: It is set to restore last session
[16:40] <bazhang> !fr
[16:41] <nyad> my windows all open except amarok
[16:42] <silto> ok thx, I didn't know
[16:45] <xp-killer> how to install a .tar.bz2 file?
[16:46] <aaroncampbell> Where can I go to find more widgets for the new KDE4?
[16:48] <bazhang> kde-look.org ?
[16:52] <xp-killer> how to install a .tar.bz2 file?
[16:52] <aaroncampbell> bazhang: I don't see where, but there's a lot there, so maybe I'm missing it
[16:52] <tictric> xp-killer, you don't install such a file. You can extract it
[16:52] <Pici> xp-killer: What are you trying to install?
[16:53] <tictric> tar xjvf some.tar.bz2
[16:53] <tictric> replace extract with uncompress and unpack
[16:54] <Pici> Yes, but its better to install programs from the repositories, than to compile from some archived file.
[16:54] <tictric> still we don't know yet what xp-killer actually wants to do :-)
[16:55] <tictric> maybe uncompress xp?
[16:55] <ka9de> I've got a performance problem with ATI HD2600 mobile, fglrx driver and KDE3.. for example, when i minimize windows, it seems very laggy.. fglrxinfo replies the right radeon chip, anyone with ideas? sorry for my bad english :(
[16:55] <rrittenhouse> So to get firefox should I install it from the repos or from their website? I noticed it had a LOT of deps in the repo
[16:55] <tictric> rrittenhouse, I'd install the deb from the distro
[16:56] <xp-killer> Pici: well i try to go on my email acout and kopete telling me on the website i need to update my firefox to view my email
[16:56] <xp-killer> Pici: well i try to go on my email acout and kopete telling me on the website i need to update my firefox to view my email tictric
[16:56] <Pici> xp-killer: What version of Kubuntu are you using and what version of Firefox?
[16:56] <xp-killer> 8.04
[16:57] <xp-killer> the page i want to go on belongs to msn to view my emails
[16:57] <rrittenhouse> tictric: Should I just sudo apt-get install firefox ?
[16:57] <Pici> xp-killer: What version of Firefox are you currently using?
[16:57] <rrittenhouse> tictric: I'm used to using that. I wasnt sure if I should attempt adept or not
[16:57] <xp-killer> Pici: i have no idea
[16:57] <Pici> xp-killer: What does it say in Help>About?
[16:58] <xp-killer> Pici:  3.03
[16:58] <Pici> xp-killer: That is the latest version
[16:58] <tictric> rrittenhouse, use the tool you are comfortable with. I personally use aptitude but apt-get is just as fine as adept I'd say
[16:58] <rrittenhouse> tictric: thx
[16:59] <Pici> xp-killer: No update needed.
[16:59] <rrittenhouse> I'm really liking KDE over gnome tho =D
[16:59] <rrittenhouse> Some things are hard to get used to because I've used gnome for so long
[16:59] <xp-killer> Pici: then why i cant get in my email box?
[17:00] <Pici> xp-killer: Has it ever worked with firefox?
[17:02] <OxDeadC0de> what's the best way to get hotmail emails in linux using native email clients?
[17:02] <xp-killer> Pici: this the first time im trying it.normaly it with explorer i does check my email
[17:03] <xp-killer> Pici: but u dont have msn?how u does check your email?
[17:04] <Pici> xp-killer: I use gmail.
[17:08] <nyad> xp-killer: so your problem is that you can't get into msn with firefox?
[17:10] <xp-killer> nyad: firefox and konqeror
[17:13] <nyad> xp-killer: That is odd
[17:15] <nyad> xp-killer: I switched to gmail and I'm happy
[17:16] <xp-killer> nyad: im not going to change my hotmail
[17:19] <xp-killer> nyad: i got in.they told me if i continue withou update i wont be able to view certain fonction
[17:20] <genii> !info gotmail
[17:20] <OxDeadC0de> but gotmail can't send email
[17:20] <mfree> sefver
[17:22] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: so it will downloa all my email to my pc so i can see them?
[17:28] <OxDeadC0de> xp-killer yeah but it's only half a solution, recieving emails, no sending
[17:29] <Jurgentje> Hi all... I've upgraded to Kubuntu 8.10 ... and my sound is gone. It worked fine in 8.04. I'm using a Creative Labs Audigy card... frequently read this on internet, but don't read any solutions... anyone out here who could help me out?
[17:31] <Shadowwulf> hi i lost my panel stuff in kubuntu ... anybody know to reset all the icons in the panel ?
[17:31] <Shadowwulf> to default ?
[17:32] <xp-killer> OxDeadC0de: but dont worry i got in my email box with konqueror
[17:32] <dr_willis> delete all the various .kde  dirs/ or settings in them and restart the window manager? :)
[17:32] <dr_willis> Thats a little extreme...
[17:32] <Shadowwulf> is there a simple way ?
[17:32] <dr_willis> Or just add the  applets back to th panel
[17:32] <Shadowwulf> i cant find the window manager \
[17:33] <Shadowwulf> the 2 or 4 windows app thingy
[17:33] <dr_willis> Thats the Desktop/Panel I imagine..
[17:33] <dr_willis> I dont use kde4 so cant verify
[17:33] <Shadowwulf> ahh
[17:33] <Shadowwulf> reinstall maybe ? quick fix ?
[17:34] <dr_willis> reinstall to get kde back to se4ttings.??? this isent windows
[17:34] <dr_willis> Delete the users .kde* settings dirs. logout/back in - is a Extreme way to do it...
[17:34] <dr_willis> Or explore the applets stuff - it has to be in there somewhere
[17:34] <Shadowwulf> i have looked many times
[17:35] <Shadowwulf> where is .kde* dirs or how do i search for it
[17:36] <dr_willis> Its got to be one of the plasmoids.. everyithing in kde4 is a plasmoid
[17:36] <dr_willis> all the users settings dirs are in their home directory
[17:36] <dr_willis> I dont kow the exact name of the dir. thus i said .kde* :)
[17:37] <OxDeadC0de> shadowwulf type rm ~/.kde -r to recursively delete your kde folder
[17:37] <OxDeadC0de> ~ is a shortcut for /home/yourusername/
[17:37] <dr_willis> of coruse this will erase/reset ALL kde settings...
[17:38] <OxDeadC0de> if you want to back it up instead, mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[17:38] <ubuntu> Need a little help if anyone is available to help a newbie
[17:39] <l0n3w0lf> oops, forgot to set nick
[17:41] <genii> ubuntu_sucks_dic:  Please change your nick
[17:42] <genii> l0n3w0lf: Best approach is just ask your question or state your problem and then someone will try to assist that is familiar with your issue
[17:43] <l0n3w0lf> Alright.  Well basically I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier to login it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too
[17:44] <Shadowwulf> what is the cmd for linuxes version of cd..
[17:44] <Shadowwulf> or windows version
[17:45] <rien> hi everyone
[17:46] <denis__> hi
[17:46] <Shadowwulf> so if my home dir is johndoe what is the exact command i type in for mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old
[17:47] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please. is someone there who can helps me ?
[17:47] <genii> Shadowwulf: Exactly what you just put
[17:47] <rien> im trying to use my printer via the network as network printer, but it doesnt seem to work, whats the easiest way to configure that?
[17:48] <rien> the other computer is a windows machine
[17:48] <Shadowwulf> cannot stat username/.kde no such file or dir
[17:48] <genii> Shadowwulf: Then it's already been done, or  else you weren't using kde in the first place
[17:49] <genii> Or you just rm 'd it
[17:49] <denis__> is there someone who can helps me ?
[17:50] <mefisto__> Shadowwulf: did you type "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old" it sounds like you left out the "mv"
[17:50] <Shadowwulf> i did that
[17:51] <genii> denis__: If the hard drive is already in the computer just use parted or qtparted to prepare and format it
[17:51] <Shadowwulf> i typed in mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-old from the cmd line... in my home dir
[17:52] <denis__> genii: I don't want to format it, I need datas contained into it
[17:52] <Shadowwulf> do i need to be a su ?
[17:52] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier to login it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[17:52] <genii> Shadowwulf: does:   ls ~/.kde-old/*   show anything?
[17:53] <Riddell> ** Ubuntu Open Week talk "Kubuntu - reinventing QA the resource-limited way" with elite Kubuntu developer JontheEchidna in a few minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:53] <Shadowwulf> nope
[17:53] <Shadowwulf> cannot access file or dir
[17:54] <RainCT> Hi. Any idea on why a Qt application might fail starting with "No protocol specified   <filename>.py: cannot connect to X server :0.0"? (it's not me who is having the problem, the only additional info I can give is that the guy's behind a proxy, if that makes any difference)
[17:56] <mefisto__> Shadowwulf: what about: ls ~/.kde
[17:56] <dr_willis> Shadowwulf,  you would no need sudo if its a user moveing their own files
[17:57] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please (without formatting). is someone there who can helps me ?
[17:57] <genii> denis__: Please use the pastebin to show us the result of command in Konsole of:   sudo fdisk -l
[17:57] <dr_willis> RainCT,  its being ran as a different user then the one thats runnint X
[17:57] <genii> !paste | denis__
[17:57] <dr_willis> RainCT,  or hes ssh'd in and dident enable x forwarding
[17:58] <denis__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67992/
[17:58] <RainCT> dr_willis: OK, thanks. That's the only possibilities?
[17:59] <seele> i'm having trouble getting virtualbox to work.  it's complaining about not finding 2.6.26-5 modules but adept says i have 2.6.26 installed
[17:59] <dr_willis> RainCT,  the "X server 0.0' is very common message of doing things as a differetn user
[17:59] <makdaknife_> seele: try /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[18:00] <makdaknife_> seele: sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[18:00] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[18:00] <seele> makdaknife_:  * Usage: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv {start|stop|restart|status}
[18:00] <seele> makdaknife_: start?
[18:00] <denis__> is that helping ?
[18:00] <makdaknife_> seele: that's weird...
[18:00] <l0n3w0lf> I'm desperate, having to watch Jerry Springer while I wait for help  o_o
[18:00] <seele> makdaknife_: seele@Takochi:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start * Starting VirtualBox kernel module vboxdrv * No suitable module for running kernel found.
[18:00] <dr_willis> heh- i just updated/upgraded 8.10 in  my virtualbox session.. now i gotta reisntall the guest addons.. :()
[18:01] <denis__> You can see that my second HD has been detected
[18:02] <genii> denis__: Yes, it is seen as sdb1.  You want it always to be mounted during boot?
[18:02] <genii> Arg, work. AFK
[18:02] <denis__> Yes exactly
[18:03] <makdaknife> seele: are you using virtualbox or virtualbox-ose?
[18:03] <seele> makdaknife: virtualbox-ose is what was installed when i asked for virtualbox
[18:03] <awidegreen> why does the knetworkmanager not use the kwalletmanager? the passohrases are stored somewhere but not in my wallet! :D
[18:03] <makdaknife> seele: I'm not sure if it makes a difference... but I use virtualbox as opposed to the OSE version
[18:04] <awidegreen> forgot to say: intrepid kde4
[18:04] <seele> makdaknife: apt didn't give me a choice.. did you use packages?
[18:05] <makdaknife> seele: try add this to your apt sources - deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian hardy non-free
[18:05] <mihai__> hello
[18:05] <mihai__> anybody on ?
[18:05] <makdaknife> seele: see http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[18:06] <mihai__> need some help with something here
[18:06] <l0n3w0lf> mihal_ join the club  :/
[18:07] <makdaknife> mihai__: just ask your question... and someone who knows an answer might help
[18:07] <mihai__> ok i wanted to place a shortcut
[18:07] <mihai__> on konsole or terminal
[18:07] <mihai__> i looked it up in settings at keyboard shortcut
[18:07] <Shadowwulf> ok i got the desktop to reset ... but the panel did not reset
[18:07] <mihai__> but i can't find anything .....
[18:08] <Shadowwulf> and i still dont have a desktop panel indicator for mulitple desktops ?
[18:08] <makdaknife> mihai__: what sort of shortcut? like a link to another file?
[18:08] <mihai__> no mate
[18:08] <mihai__> a shortcut key
[18:08] <mihai__> like alt+f1
[18:08] <mihai__> or alt+t
[18:08] <makdaknife> mihai__: okay Settings.. Configure Shortcuts
[18:09] <makdaknife> mihai__: second last menu option
[18:09] <mihai__> is that in kubuntu ?
[18:09] <mihai__> or ubuntu ?
[18:09] <exsolved> ehh.. I have to run sudo hidd --search
[18:09] <exsolved>  on every reboot for bluetooth and it does not work at login screen.. any fix for this?
[18:09] <makdaknife> mihai__: none other
[18:09] <mihai__> ok
[18:09] <makdaknife> mihai__: in konsole
[18:09] <mihai__> let me see
[18:10] <Angellow> Servus Mihai
[18:10] <Shadowwulf> any help on a panel reset ?/
[18:10] <Shadowwulf> kde4
[18:10] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[18:10] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please (without formatting). is someone there who can helps me ?
[18:11] <seele> makdaknife: still giving me kernel source errors
[18:11] <makdaknife> seele: are you still unable to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup?
[18:12] <seele> makdaknife: since 2.6.27 is the latest kernel, i dont know where to get the old packages for 2.6.26
[18:12] <seele> makdaknife: it failed.. this is what is relevent in /var/log/vbox-install.log
[18:12] <Pici> 2.6.26 was only available in some of the Intrepid alphas, it was never present for a release.
[18:12] <seele> makdaknife: Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.26-5-generic cannot be found at
[18:12] <seele> /lib/modules/2.6.26-5-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.26-5-generic/source.
[18:12] <denis__> I need to know what are commands to install definitely my second HDD please (without formatting). is someone there who can helps me ?
[18:13] <seele> You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located.
[18:13] <seele> Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without
[18:13] <seele> Makefile:127: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.  Stop.
[18:13] <mefisto__> denis__: first make sure you have ntfs-3g installed: sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[18:14] <exsolved> Anyone know how to get bluetooth to work at login _and_ recognized after login? Currently must run sudo hidd --search
[18:14] <exsolved>  after boot.
[18:15] <makdaknife> seele: you will need to install linux-headers for your kernel
[18:15] <makdaknife> seele: just find the headers that you need, and install them... then the setup will work
[18:16] <seele> makdaknife: is there an easy way to do that with apt-get?  adept sucks
[18:16] <seele> i can't get it to list anything besides the newest kernel which is already installed
[18:16] <stdin> seele: sudo apt-get install linux-header-$(uname -r)
[18:16] <stdin> * linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[18:17] <genii> denis__: An old but good tutorial for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[18:18] <seele> stdin: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic
[18:18] <mike-solidus> kwin crashes on bootup
[18:19] <stdin> seele: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[18:20] <seele> stdin: intrepid, but there is a bug for my network card and so i had to install 2.6.26 to make it work
[18:20] <stdin> where from? or did you compile?
[18:21] <seele> stdin: debs from launchpad
[18:21] <stdin> from a PPA?
[18:22] <Pici> seele: Why not the 2.6.26 packages in the repo?
[18:22] <Pici> !info linux-image-2.6.26-4-generic
[18:22] <Pici> yes it does
[18:22] <Pici> Or... it did, nevermind.
[18:22] <stdin> I don't see it in intrepid here Pici
[18:22] <seele> stdin: i dont know what it was, someone gave me a link and i downloaded and installed it
[18:22] <seele> generic plus a bunch of modules
[18:22] <reese> hi! how do I change the keyboard layout? didnt find it in keyboard and mouse, in system settings
[18:23] <Pici> stdin: It was in there during the alphas.
[18:23] <Foodcoman> Any Lenovo Thinkpad W500 users?  ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3650
[18:23] <l0n3w0lf> I used suspend to disk and when I got back to my laptop earlier it stalls at the loading / progress bar screen with no disk activity.  I don't know where to go from there, recovery mode fails too any ideas?
[18:24] <mefisto__> reese: look in regional & language
[18:26] <reese> mefisto__, thanks
[18:26] <makdaknife> !info linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic
[18:26] <l0n3w0lf> guess I'm going back to windows then  :(
[18:27] <makdaknife> seele: I'm not sure where you got your kernel image from... but in order to build the modules for vbox, you need kernel headers
[18:27] <seele> makdaknife: ok.. where do i get those?  apparently i can't use apt
[18:27] <seele> i couldnt use apt before and that's why i downloaded packages
[18:27] <stdin> seele: what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic" show?
[18:28] <makdaknife> seele: you would normally do something like apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic
[18:28] <makdaknife> unfortunately it looks like your kernel is not in the normal intrepid repos
[18:31] <seele> stdin: linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic:
[18:31] <seele>   Installed: 2.6.26-5.15
[18:31] <seele>   Candidate: 2.6.26-5.15
[18:31] <seele>   Version table:
[18:31] <seele>  *** 2.6.26-5.15 0
[18:31] <seele>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[18:31] <stropia> i have problem can anyone help me
[18:31] <stropia> my ubunto freez
[18:31] <stropia> i have 8.04
[18:34] <stdin> seele: i386 or amd64?
[18:34] <exsolved> anyone running bluetooth? have question
[18:35] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my internet connection with my 360 with firestarter but if im downloading things on my computer, i lag on xbox live. Could anyone please help me configure the quality of service (QoS) so that all the connections going to and from my xbox 360 (it always has the same ip and is always connected to the same network interface card) get the highest priority? thanks
[18:36] <snikker> hi can i install kde3 on intrepid?
[18:37] <aaroncampbell> After the upgrade to 8.10, none of my local test sites work.  It's like apache is ignoring the sites-available and sites-enabled.  All sites are pointing to /var/www ...anyonw know why?
[18:38] <makdaknife> snikker: not really... although you can install kde3 apps
[18:39] <exsolved> aaroncambell: what error are you getting, 404, 403?
[18:39] <seele> stdin: i386
[18:39] <snikker> makdaknife: yes i know, but i don't need only to install kde3 apps, i want install all kde3 desktop environment...
[18:39] <blip-> hi all,  i remember there being in KDE3 Control Center, a place to change the cursor animation on busy and make it passive cursor.  i can't find it anymore, am i mistaken about it's location or even existence for that matter... ?  thanks
[18:40] <stdin> seele: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/linux-headers-2.6.26-5/2.6.26-5.15 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/linux-headers-2.6.26-5-generic/2.6.26-5.15
[18:40] <blip-> i checked the appearance area and the mouse/kb area....but nothing on that front
[18:41] <Assurbanipal> hi guys... i try to install Kubuntu 8.10, but i face system freeze when it enters KDE.. can anyone help?
[18:41] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my internet connection with my 360 with firestarter but if im downloading things on my computer, i lag on xbox live. Could anyone please help me configure the quality of service (QoS) so that all the connections going to and from my xbox 360 (it always has the same ip and is always connected to the same network interface card) get the highest priority? thanks
[18:42] <makdaknife> snikker: This Intrepid release lives up to its name by including many changes, but there are some features that are not yet available in KDE 4. If you would rather stay with what you know then remember that Kubuntu 8.04 is still fully supported, see KDE3-KDE4Migration and Is KDE 4.1 for you? for more information on deciding.
[18:42] <makdaknife> snikker: that's off the kubuntu front page... so I guess not
[18:44] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: It's going to /var/www rather than /home/aaroncampbell/sitename_www
[18:44] <snikker> makdaknife: mmm, so i can't downgrade... ok, thanks for help :)
[18:47] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: Here is one of the many virtual host configs that no longer works: http://www.paste2.org/p/97331
[18:47] <makdaknife> snikker: sure, no problem... sorry if you've run into a problem...
[18:47] <makdaknife> seele: how are you getting along getting your kernel headers?
[18:48] <snikker> makdaknife: np :)
[18:48] <hoonteke> where or how do I report bugs about kubuntu in launchpad?
[18:49] <aaroncampbell> and I have the sites name (meqfuelnet) set in /etc/hosts ...so it points to <IP_ADDRESS> but shows the default page :|
[18:49] <Pici> hoonteke: Report them under the relevant packages in the Ubuntu project.
[18:50] <dario_> Hola
[18:50] <genii> !es | dario_
[18:50] <hoonteke> Pici: k.  so ... I've found a bug in 8.10 with kmail.  Do I pick kmail-kde4 as the package?
[18:50] <dario_> tank you
[18:50] <exsolved> aaroncampbell: have you corrected to default home directory in apache.conf to point to /home/aaroncampbell/ sounds like you now have the default directory
[18:50] <genii> dario_: You are welcome
[18:51] <stdin> hoonteke: hardy or intrepid?
[18:51] <SJr|Work> I heard there was a big problem with Ubuntu 8.10 something everyone hates, is that true?
[18:51] <hoonteke> stdin: intrepid
[18:52] <hoonteke> stdin: 8.10 is intrepid, yes?
[18:52] <Pici> hoonteke: Its actually kdepim for intrepid.
[18:52] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: depends on what the problem is that you heard about...
[18:52] <stdin> hoonteke: ye
[18:52] <stdin> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+filebug
[18:52] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: no, I ran a diff between my apache2.conf from before and now, and they're basically the same (except for a logging line: CustomLog /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log vhost_combined)
[18:52] <SJr|Work> I think something with Network Manager being retarded
[18:52] <dario_> genii: tank you
[18:52] <uman> Hi, i managed to share my internet connection with my 360 with firestarter but if im downloading things on my computer, i lag on xbox live. Could anyone please help me configure the quality of service (QoS) so that all the connections going to and from my xbox 360 (it always has the same ip and is always connected to the same network interface card) get the highest priority? thanks
[18:52] <hoonteke> k
[18:53] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: I haven't heard about the issue... but I haven't changed to 8.10 because I currently prefer kde3 to kde4
[18:53] <SJr|Work> Oh wait you mean I can't use KDE 3.5 with Kubuntu 8.10?
[18:54] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: indeed... really important caveat... that I don't think has been made clear enough to people
[18:54] <exsolved> aaroncampbell: have you tried updating the current config to /home/aaroncampbell/sitename_ww rather than /var...  Putting the absolute path - that is what i had to do
[18:54] <SJr|Work> You mean I can't even install it makdaknife?
[18:54] <papegaaij> is there anybody here with some nfs knowledge?
[18:54] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: from the front page of the Kubuntu website: This Intrepid release lives up to its name by including many changes, but there are some features that are not yet available in KDE 4. If you would rather stay with what you know then remember that Kubuntu 8.04 is still fully supported, see KDE3-KDE4Migration and Is KDE 4.1 for you? for more information on deciding.
[18:54] <aaroncampbell> exsolved: I have about 30 sites on here, so I need to keep them all as virtual hosts.
[18:54] <makdaknife> SJr|Work: you can still use kde3 apps though
[18:55] <makdaknife> papegaaij: what's up?
[18:55] <SJr|Work> argh this sucks
[18:55] <papegaaij> i'm having trouble mounting nfs with kubuntu
[18:55] <papegaaij> makdaknife: the nfs mount dies after a couple of hours
[18:55] <SJr|Work> Hmmmm is there some reason why I'd want to use x86_64 installer instead of just the i686 one?
[18:55] <papegaaij> makdaknife: after which i can no longer mount any nfs mounts
[18:55] <aaroncampbell> I just pasted the code from my virtual host into the apache2.conf just above where it's supposed to include all the virtual hosts, and it works...either they aren't getting included, or it's choosing the wrong one to send me to
[18:55] <makdaknife> papegaaij: hmmm is it on a local network?
[18:56] <papegaaij> makdaknife: yes, crosscable, and the network is fine, statically configured
[18:56] <papegaaij> all other services are ok, nis is working (same server and client) and the server is also the gateway (nat)
[18:56] <papegaaij> when i try to mount, i do see the mount request, and it is authenticated, but then nothing happens
[18:57] <papegaaij> also, another kubuntu system is having no trouble, and the nfs was working fine with gentoo on the system where i'm now having trouble
[18:58] <makdaknife> papegaaij: that's strange... I haven't experienced that at all... I know that NFS does give issues if there are problems on the network... but that sounds pretty weird
[18:58] <papegaaij> makdaknife: someone on the #nfs channel said it could be firewall related, so i ran ufw disable, that should be enough to disable the firewall, shouldn't it?
[18:59] <papegaaij> makdaknife: the strangest thing is that is working fine for several hours, and then just stops
[19:00] <makdaknife> papegaaij: not sure if its firewall... and I don't use ufw... you could try iptables -F, which will flush all iptables rules
[19:00] <makdaknife> ufw seems to use iptables underneath itself
[19:00] <papegaaij> makdaknife: how do i list all rules?
[19:00] <papegaaij> iptables -l?
[19:01] <papegaaij> iptables -L shows nothing
[19:01] <makdaknife> papegaaij: iptables -L
[19:01] <makdaknife> papegaaij: I don't think you have any firewall issues...
[19:01] <papegaaij> at least, no rules :)
[19:01] <papegaaij> i did not enable the firewall, so unless it's enabled by default, it should be disabled
[19:01] <reese> hi! i'm using kubuntu 8.10 and can't find anymore the filesystem service in system setting, where I could automatically mount ntfs partitions from..
[19:02] <seele> makdaknife: stdin: it looks like it worked.. thanks a lot!
[19:02] <seele> makdaknife: stdin: if you guys are at UDS in december i'll owe you a beer ;P
[19:02] <papegaaij> all i see in the log on the system is 'nfs: server fileserver not responding, still trying'
[19:02] <makdaknife> papegaaij: it sounds like the network might drop after a period... not sure why... I suppose you could write a small bash script to sleep and then ping every 10 mins or so... but that's not really getting to the root of the problem
[19:02] <makdaknife> seele: great to hear it
[19:03] <papegaaij> well, i was having trouble with the network
[19:03] <papegaaij> i could not get NetworkManager to use a static configuration
[19:03] <papegaaij> it kept on falling back to dhcp
[19:03] <makdaknife> papegaaij: bah... knetworkmanager can be a real pain in the ass sometimes
[19:03] <papegaaij> via which it could not get an ip, so it disabled eth0 again
[19:04] <hoonteke> thanks Pici, stdin.  Bug reported.
[19:04] <makdaknife> papegaaij: so how have you gotten around that?
[19:04] <mefisto__> what's happening to the kde4 ppa for 8.04? will it continue to be updated?
[19:04] <papegaaij> well, i've stopped NetworkManager, after which the network seems to be fine
[19:04] <papegaaij> i entered the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:04] <makdaknife> papegaaij: good
[19:05] <makdaknife> papegaaij: its difficult to troubleshoot something like this... are you aware of it being a specific length of time before your NFS connection drops?
[19:06] <papegaaij> makdaknife: no, yesterday it was at 1:44, to day somewhere around 10 in the morning
[19:07] <blip-> Hi,  can i change the mouse cursor in Kubuntu 8.04 KDE3 ?
[19:07] <papegaaij> makdaknife: i did not yet reboot the system and currently i still cannot mount nfs
[19:07] <papegaaij> so i'm trying to fine a way to troubleshoot the client side
[19:07] <papegaaij> because the server side seems to be working fine
[19:07] <makdaknife> papegaaij: can you mount the nfs with another machine?
[19:08] <papegaaij> yes, this machine (also kubuntu) has the same mount mounted
[19:08] <dex> Good evening all im new so i was hoping that u can help with my sound (i dont hear anything: there is not sound)
[19:08] <dex> im using Audigy 1 SE
[19:08] <makdaknife> papegaaij: so it definitely sounds like something with the client
[19:09] <papegaaij> yes
[19:09] <makdaknife> papegaaij: gimme a few minutes...
[19:11] <testi>  I couldn't figure out yet to have Ctrl+Shift+K to open a terminal window. How do I configure that. I found keyboard shortcuts in System settings, but I don't manage to get them to work. Is there step by step tutorial?
[19:11] <testi> I have Kubuntu Intrepid
[19:11] <KDesk> why I can make the luna aplet bigger? Aren't there bigger images or svg?
[19:11] <exsolved> Anyone using bluetooth?  It is not recognized at login _or_ once logged in unless I run sudo hidd --search.  I have HIDD_ENABLED=1 in config, no dice...
[19:11] <makdaknife> papegaaij: try nfsstat -c
[19:11] <KDesk> testi: maybe that key is used by somethink else.
[19:11] <dwidmann> reese: Looks like it might not exist anymore ... in which case you can still use mount in a console. Just type "mount" followed by either the mountpoint or the device name
[19:12] <papegaaij> makdaknife: on the server?
[19:12] <makdaknife> papegaaij: on the client
[19:12] <makdaknife> papegaaij: check the number under retrans
[19:13] <reese> dwidmann: that service mounted automatically at startup chosen partitions.. i would like to have them mounted automatically
[19:13] <papegaaij> it's currently at 598
[19:13] <dwidmann> reese: in that case, add them to your /etc/fstab
[19:13] <SJr|Work> Why would I want to choose the x86_64 cd's besides getting 64-bit support which seems pointless
[19:14] <reese> dwidmann, thanks
[19:14] <papegaaij> and seems stable
[19:14] <dwidmann> !fstab | reese
[19:14] <Uncle|Sam> Can it be that there are some problems with kde 4.1?
[19:14] <makdaknife> papegaaij: that sounds high... this indicates that it has been retransmitting requests... which is meant to indicate network issues
[19:14] <papegaaij> when i try to mount, it changes to 599
[19:15] <makdaknife> papegaaij: what about pinging the server?
[19:15] <papegaaij> makdaknife: but that is really weird, because the network is working fine
[19:15] <makdaknife> papegaaij: do you get any loss?
[19:15] <papegaaij> makdaknife: i can even log on with ssh on the server
[19:15] <papegaaij> and the server also is the internet gateway for that machine
[19:15] <makdaknife> papegaaij: try ping and see if there are any packets lost over say 50 pings
[19:16] <bauchspeck> hi out there. could anybody please tell me, where in kde4 do I find now kdeprintfax?
[19:16] <papegaaij> makdaknife: i don't see any packet loss
[19:17] <makdaknife> papegaaij: you could try nfsstat -s and hunt through the output there for clues
[19:18] <testi> KDesk: no
[19:19] <makdaknife> papegaaij: also what does your nfs mount look like in your fstab (obfuscate any sensitive data)
[19:19] <papegaaij> fileserver:/home        /home   nfs     rw,hard,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768    0 0
[19:23] <makdaknife> papegaaij: out of interest why have you specified write and read sizes?
[19:23] <papegaaij> makdaknife: performance
[19:23] <papegaaij> but i just tried with no options at all, still doesn't work
[19:24] <makdaknife> papegaaij: :-( admittedly I'm at a bit of a loss... I'm no nfs guru... I just use it a bit at home
[19:24] <papegaaij> makdaknife: same here
[19:25] <papegaaij> and this is getting really frustrating
[19:25] <papegaaij> i switched from gentoo to ubuntu because of the time it takes to maintain a gentoo install
[19:25] <papegaaij> but it seems like ubuntu might be taking even more :/
[19:25] <makdaknife> papegaaij: nothing in the logs?
[19:25] <papegaaij> nothing at all
[19:26] <papegaaij> just that one line, stating that the server is not responding
[19:26] <papegaaij> and no other lines at that time
[19:26] <makdaknife> crikey...
[19:26] <papegaaij> and nothing on the server
[19:27] <r0o0t> hi all how can i make my own Irc chat rooms in ubuntu ?
[19:27] <makdaknife> papegaaij: can you umount?
[19:28] <genii> desrt: Did you use visudo when editing so that it will catch any syntax problems?
[19:28] <papegaaij> makdaknife: how do i unmount a stale nfs mount?
[19:29] <papegaaij> just ls / kills my terminal :)
[19:29] <genii> Wrong channel. sorry
[19:29] <papegaaij> it's currently locking all filesystem request, waiting for the server to come back up
[19:29] <makdaknife> papegaaij: you could do a lazy unmount... I think its umount -l /mountpoint
[19:29] <makdaknife> papegaaij: then try remount it
[19:30] <bauchspeck> asking again: where in Ubuntu/Kubuntu 8.10 can I find kdeprintfax?
[19:30] <papegaaij> lazy unmount worked, remount not
[19:30] <r0o0t> any one can help me .. i wanna make connect back door with some server and i wanna use irc boot
[19:30] <papegaaij> btw, i also tried restarting networking, portmap and nfs-common
[19:30] <papegaaij> that also didn't help
[19:32] <makdaknife> papegaaij: damn that's some heavy voodoo going on there
[19:33] <makdaknife> papegaaij: in your mount options try and specify proto=udp
[19:33] <makdaknife> papegaaij: you might find that it behaves better
[19:34] <urza> hello niggers.
[19:35] <papegaaij> makdaknife: doesn't it default to udp?
[19:35] <papegaaij> hmmm
[19:35] <makdaknife> i think it defaults to tcp... but if you have a mount up... you can check how its mounted using nfsstat -m
[19:35] <papegaaij> that is working
[19:36] <papegaaij> i just mounted it :/
[19:36] <makdaknife> abracadoobra....
[19:36] <makdaknife> hell... I don't know what's wrong there... but hopefully that will hold until you can work it out
[19:36] <LF|Irssi_> HI I just installed KDE4 on Ubuntu last night, all is well except i cant get Vmware server to load, do i have to reinstall vmware server?
[19:37] <makdaknife> papegaaij: I have to head off soon... if you come up with anything... message me directly... I'll be afk, but if I happen to see a message I might pick it up
[19:37] <papegaaij> makdaknife: many thanks for your help
[19:37] <papegaaij> hopefully udp will keep on working
[19:37] <papegaaij> perhaps the tcp connection died somehow
[19:37] <urza> good nite niggers.
[19:38] <papegaaij> good thing udp doesn't have connections :)
[19:38] <makdaknife> papegaaij: hey no problem... hopefully all is good after that... its an honour to be able to help out an ex-gentoo user
[19:39] <makdaknife> ;-)
[19:39] <makdaknife> laterz everyone
[19:39] <papegaaij> hehe, bye
[19:39] <LF|Irssi_> I just installed KDE4 on Ubuntu last night, all is well except i cant get Vmware server to load, do i have to reinstall vmware server?
[19:51] <skabet> Hi, anyone else experinced crash in KTorrent when left-clicking a download item?
[19:53] <nicholai> hi....what's the best solution to get firefox to look somwhat decent with kubuntu intrepid?
[19:54] <nicholai> it's really ugly by default
[19:54] <nicholai> probably all gnome apps are
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7574
[19:55] <uman> how can i overwrite a read only file in a certain folder? thanks. i think i need sudo to open it but wasnt able to rewrite it after i modified it since it was read only
[19:56] <nicholai> jonthe: thanks
[20:02] <LinOxMan> hi, i have install kubuntu 8.10 in my acer 4520, and now my notebook dont enter in suspend or hibernation mode. In Kubuntu 8.04 it s ok.
[20:02] <LinOxMan> i try boot in init 1 for check modules problems
[20:03] <LinOxMan> but no work
[20:05] <LinOxMan> this notebook use nvdia chipset
[20:09] <hoonteke> is help not included with Kubuntu 8.10?  About everytime I go for a handbook, I get an error message and no help
[20:10] <hoonteke> For example, when I hit F1 in Kontact, I get a popup "The file or folder help:/kontact/index.html does not exist."
[20:10] <hoonteke> and an empty help-browser page.
[20:10] <dwidmann> LinOxMan: if you still have it installed, try booting with the 2.6.24 kernel and see if it goes back to working, if so, continue on with the 2.6.24 because at least it works
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> hoonteke: sudo apt-get install kdepim-doc
[20:10] <dwidmann> hoonteke: a lot of the time the documentation is stored in separate packages
[20:10] <Iesos> How can I get kdm not to produce 1.5GB large log-files everytime I use it (/var/log/kdm.log)?
[20:11] <hoonteke> hmm, I guess for completeness of the distribution, I'm surprised at that choice of removal.
[20:11] <hoonteke> ok, thanks for that
[20:11] <hoonteke> @ JontheEchidna and dwidmann
[20:13] <LinOxMan> dwidmann: ok, thanks for your help
[20:13] <Iesos> I really need to get this fixed! My computer get useless when / is filled up and I cant go on removing these files all the time.
[20:17] <dwidmann> Iesos: you could set up cron jobs to remove them in the meantime
[20:18] <Iesos> dwidmann, thats kind of an ugly way to do it, but if you walk me through it...
[20:19] <wesley> hoe can i force to eject a cd
[20:20] <emilsedgh> wesley: eject
[20:20] <dwidmann> Iesos: Okay, open a terminal, and type in "sudo crontab -e"
[20:21] <Iesos> done
[20:21] <wesley> does not work, wine is using it, but it says it needs second cd but i dont get it eject
[20:22] <Iesos> so... the syntax is every 5 ***** and it runs every 5 minutes, right?
[20:22] <Iesos> then the command?
[20:22] <Iesos> and its only suppose to be 4 *
[20:22] <Iesos> right?
[20:22] <dwidmann> Iesos: right, only 4 stars
[20:23] <Iesos> so "5**** rm /var/log/kdm.log*"
[20:23] <dwidmann> Iesos: then the command, something like rm /var/log/....
[20:23] <dwidmann> Iesos: there ya go, save and make sure cron is running and you're set
[20:24] <Iesos> ok, thx.
[20:25] <wesley> emilsedgh that does not work
[20:25] <favro> Iesos: does   cat /var/log/kdm.log | tail -n 20   show the error that makes the file so large?
[20:26] <Iesos> favro, I have allready removed them :-/
[20:27] <emilsedgh> wesley: unmount first: sudo umount -f /media/cdrom && eject
[20:27] <favro> Iesos: oh well
[20:27] <wolfjb> did a kde4 version of amarok not make it into intrepid? I can't seem to find it in adept-manager
[20:27] <wolfjb> and the version I have installed seems to be for kde 3.5
[20:27] <gribs> hi, anybody speak on russian?
[20:28] <dwidmann> wolfjb: it's still in beta, so it's not in intrepid ... but you can install the beta if you want to (it will *replace* the kde3 version though, be warned)
[20:28] <gribs> no one?
[20:28] <thedark_> in kmixer, both capture channels symbols are red and have a "pause" symbol next to them, how do I fix this so that I can record?
[20:28] <wesley> emilsedgh he still says he busy
[20:29] <gribs> could anybody help me with config dns on kubuntu 8.10?
[20:29] <wolfjb> dwidmann: ah. thanks
[20:30] <thedark_> ahhh... in the words of Al Pacino, "I'm in the darkness!"
[20:31] <gribs> who could help with configuring dns?
[20:31] <wolfjb> gribs: are you using bind?
[20:32] <gribs> no, ithink that it isn't hard question. this about dns on my desktop
[20:33] <wolfjb> gribs: maybe try asking your question
[20:33] <isaacj87> hey guys...apparently KDE 4.1.3 is being made ready for intrepid-backports...yet, when I run kwin --version it says I already have it?
[20:33] <isaacj87> I haven't received any updates to Kubuntu, so what's the deal?
[20:34] <gribs> there are server in my netvork with ip <IP_ADDRESS>, and i wont to acces it by name, for example "server" from browser. What and where i must write for it?
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy kde-window-manager should tell the truth
[20:34] <wolfjb> gribs: the easiest way is to add it to /etc/hosts
[20:35] <gribs> what will this string look?
[20:35] <wolfjb> gribs: I'm assuming you are on the same network.
[20:35] <gribs> yes, of course. i can ping it
[20:35] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: yup, how can I check my version of KDE 4 via CL?
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> apt-cache policy kde-window-manager
[20:36] <wolfjb> gribs: look at /etc/hosts, and follow the pattern there, typically it's just <ip> <hostname> (for example <IP_ADDRESS> someserver)
[20:36] <wolfjb> gribs: then you should be able to contact someserver without having to use the ip address
[20:37] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: ah, okay...no other way than that? How far along is KDE 4.1.3...is it almost done building?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> isaacj87: what do you mean no other way?
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> just run the command and it will tell you what version kwin is at really
[20:38] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: I mean, is there no other way to check my version of KDE 4.1.x. Like kde4base --version or something
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> oh, you could look in the about dialog of any KDE app, but apt will be more reliable
[20:38] <wolfjb> gribs: you'll need to be root to edit /etc/hosts - so sudo vi /etc/hosts or sudoedit /etc/hosts either should work
[20:38] <gribs> wolfjb, thanks, it's work!
[20:39] <Machtin> howdy.. i got some pictures, which originally had a german 'ü' in their filename.. since quite some time now i can't access them.. can't watch, can't copy, can't do nothing.. when i want to do something with them, i get a message that they don't even exist
[20:39] <Machtin> so.. how to recover those?
[20:39] <wolfjb> gribs: welcome
[20:39] <isaacj87> JontheEchidna: Hmm...yeah, I guess so. I just checked in Konsole and it says I'm at KDE 4.1.3 :S
[20:42] <FrauHansen> hey guys! i'm having trouble with some icons since the upgrade to 8.10
[20:42] <FrauHansen> some are correct, some are missing, some are mixed up
[20:43] <FrauHansen> is this a known issue? how can i fox it?
[20:43] <FrauHansen> *fix
[20:46] <sourcemaker> are there kde 4.1.3 packages for kubuntu available?
[20:47] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: apparently they're being built right now
[20:47] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: they'll be in intrepid-backports
[20:47] <FrauHansen> here is a screenshot. clearly some icons missing and some (kmenu, trash) are mixed up
[20:47] <FrauHansen> http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=wrong_icons79bs.png
[20:47] <sourcemaker> isaacj87: cool...
[20:49] <noobstyle> !mount
[20:49] <noobstyle> !iso
[20:51] <noobstyle> Hi. I have been trying to mount an .ISO file for some while. I want to mount an .ISO file without burning. Just so i can see the movie
[20:51] <rickest> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso mount/point
[20:52] <noobstyle> what do you mean by mount point?
[20:52] <rickest> whereever you want the mounted ISO to be mounted
[20:53] <rickest> cd ~/tmp && mkdir video_cd;  mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/file.iso video_cd
[20:53] <dstambou> FrauHansen: that's odd, all my icons work fine here
[20:53] <rickest> assumes a ~/tmp directory off your home directory
[20:53] <dstambou> FrauHansen: are you using a custom icon theme? Which one?
[20:54] <FrauHansen> dstambou, no i don't. i used the oxygen icons before and after the upgrade
[20:54] <memeemeee> So I just installed a new realtek PCI gigabit ethernet card but have no idea how to make my computer recognize it. the only thing that show's up under lspci | grep Ethernet is the broken PCI-e (Marvell 88E8056)
[20:54] <dstambou> FrauHansen: try switching to another. See if it works, switch back. If not, look for an oxygen package
[20:54] <noobstyle> rickest: i tried sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/DeAndresLiv.iso /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/
[20:54] <dstambou> kde-icons-oxygen - Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4 installed?
[20:54] <noobstyle> but then a loong list of options came
[20:54] <FrauHansen> dstambou, i will try that
[20:55] <rickest> noobstyle: first, you need to quote or ESC those file/dirnames with spaces in them
[20:55] <FrauHansen> dstambou, yes: ii  kde-icons-oxygen
[20:55] <rickest> noobstyle: 2nd, does the directory 'De Andres Liv/' already exist?
[20:56] <noobstyle> yes because it is the folder that contains the file
[20:56] <rickest> noobstyle: mount to an empty directory
[20:56] <noobstyle> i just tried to
[20:56] <noobstyle> i made a subfolder called /iso/ still i get a looong list
[20:57] <noobstyle> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/DeAndresLiv.iso /media/storage/marc/Movies/De Andres Liv/iso/
[20:57] <noobstyle> if i type that i get a looooooong list of options
[20:57] <rickest> noobstyle: did you read my 'first:'
[20:57] <noobstyle> ?
[20:57] <rickest> [13:55:23]      rickest | noobstyle: first, you need to quote or ESC those file/dirnames with spaces in them
[20:57] <sourcemaker> does kde 4.1.3 solves the nvidia problem?
[20:57] <noobstyle> rickest: i dont understand?
[20:58] <rickest> this filename.ext  must be expressed as "this filename.ext" or this\ filename.ext
[20:58] <noobstyle> hmm ok
[20:58] <rickest> noobstyle: paths, files, or directories with spaces in their names must be quoted "like this" or escaped like\ this
[20:59] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: i read a comment from a user somewhere that he had better luck with nvidia and kde 4.1.3
[20:59] <noobstyle> like thi
[20:59] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: at least with kwin
[20:59] <noobstyle> sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /media/ storage/ marc/ Movies/ De Andres Liv/ DeAndresLiv.iso /media/ storage/ marc/ Movies/ De Andres Liv/ iso/
[20:59] <noobstyle> still does not work
[20:59] <sourcemaker> isaacj87: great
[20:59] <rickest> noobstyle: why do you insist on ignoring what I'm saying about spaces?
[20:59] <noobstyle> can you make the line then pls?
[21:00] <sourcemaker> isaacj87: will the packages for kubuntu ready tommorow?
[21:00] <rickest> no, work it
[21:00] <noobstyle> well i made spaces all over
[21:00] <noobstyle> i don't know what you want me to do then
[21:00] <rickest> noobstyle: and in doing so exacerbated the problem.  READ MY ANSWER, I've told you like 4 times
[21:00] <rickest> including examples
[21:01] <memeemeee> anyone help me setting up a new ethernet card on Hardy?
[21:01] <noobstyle> well im not the best english speaker and i do not understand what you wrote
[21:02] <rickest> [13:58:36]      rickest | noobstyle: paths, files, or directories with spaces in their names must be quoted "like this" or escaped like\ this
[21:02] <rickest> I assume you know what "like this" means
[21:02] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: maybe even by tonight
[21:02] <noobstyle> hmm :D?
[21:03] <denis__> Hi !
[21:03] <isaacj87> sourcemaker: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3
[21:03] <denis__> What is the command to format my HDD ?
[21:03] <denis__> please :D
[21:05] <denis__> is there anybody out there ?
[21:07] <anish_> anyone know if kde 4.1.3 is coming to hardy backports ?
[21:08] <ardchoille> anish_: it's a bugfix release so hardy main should get it soon.
[21:08] <anish_> cool
[21:09] <genii> denis__: If it's sdb1 for instance, then:    sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
[21:10] <anish_> you mean backports right ?
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> ardchoille: except that the major version in hardy is 4.0
[21:10] <anish_> zigackly
[21:10] <chairman> ibex is so cool!!
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> so a jump to 4.1.3 would be a feature-release jump plus a bugfix release jump
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> and in other words, not going to happen
[21:11] <denis__> thank you genii ^
[21:11] <denis__> again ;)
[21:11] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: I've heard devs who disagree withyou
[21:12] <Koordin> hi, someone is saying me that i may have a conflict in several qt installations ; how can i clean them up with apt-get ?
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I didn't hear anything about hardy-backports
[21:12] <genii> denis__: np
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> intrepid-backports yes, but not hardy-backports
[21:13] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: Ah, you're right. Hardy won't see it but Intrepid will. sorry, got confused with the names.
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[21:13] <ardchoille> anish_: Hardy will not see the update, but Intrepid will
[21:14] <ardchoille> Too early in the morning here
[21:15] <anish_> not even here ? http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/
[21:18] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: I was thinking, since Hardy was a remix, would Hardy see that update?
[21:18] <ardchoille> kde4 is in the Hardy repos
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> nope
[21:19] <ardchoille> oh well.
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> it still uses official ubuntu repos so we have to follow the rules for it
[21:19] <ardchoille> Maybe this update will allow me to install and use Intrepid now
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> eh, if you didn't like it before I doubt 4.1.3 will change anything
[21:20] <JontheEchidna> we had most of the interesting crash fixes in our 4.1.2 packages anyway
[21:21] <memeemeee> I'm having serious networking problems. I put the new PCI card in the computer but linux doesn't see it
[21:21] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna: That's good to know
[21:22] <ka9de> I've got a performance problem with ATI HD2600 mobile, fglrx driver and KDE3.. for example, when i minimize windows, it seems very laggy.. fglrxinfo replies the right radeon chip, anyone with ideas?
[21:24] <ardchoille> JontheEchidna:  Two crashes fixed in the Dolphin filemanager and several bugfixes in the Kopete. I may try intrepid again next week.
[21:24] <frinux_> why isn't OOo 3 included in ubuntu 8.10 ? Will it be soon ?
[21:24] <ka9de> frinux_ it was released too late
[21:24] <ka9de> will be included wo 9.04
[21:25] <ka9de> *to
[21:25] <isaacj87> frinux_: Just add the OpenOffice Scribblers PPA and you can get it
[21:25] <frinux_> ok but it can still be packaged and released
[21:25] <mikedomo> hi
[21:25] <mikedomo> i had some problmes with a web cam msi star cam 370i
[21:26] <mikedomo> isnt recognize for my system
[21:26] <mikedomo> i need help
[21:26] <MarcoPau> hello, since my last upgrade in which I installed kernel 2.6.24-21-generic I haven't been able to use alsa cause it says there no modules. what am I supposed to do?
[21:27] <anish_> the ppa doesn't have 3 yet
[21:27] <anish_> but you can just download the debs off the site
[21:28] <mikedomo> and also since the upgrade the kernel 2.6.24 to 2.6.27-7 my anothe web cam ezcam III isnt recognize
[21:28] <mikedomo> i have a black screen
[21:29] <mikedomo> with camorama, amsn, kopete
[21:29] <isaacj87> anish_: which ppa doesn't have 3?
[21:29] <anish_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu
[21:30] <isaacj87> anish_: yeah, it does. I just used it to install ooo3
[21:30] <anish_> u'r right, it does
[21:31] <anish_> guess apt-get update isn't working for me for oo
[21:32] <anish_> lemme try again
[21:34] <anish_> nope, doesn't work
[21:35] <ardchoille> anish_: What are you trying to do?
[21:38] <leo> buenas
[21:38] <nerian> hola
[21:40] <genii> !es
[21:40] <leo> hay alguien que esta usando kubuntu 8.10??
[21:40] <mefisto__> redirection question: how would I add a line of text to an existing text file, creating a 2nd text file with that line of text appended?
[21:41] <nerian> leo, yo
[21:41] <leo> quetal esta?
[21:42] <nerian> lenta
[21:42] <nerian> muy lenta
[21:42] <leo> yo ahora mismo lo estoy virtualizando con virtualbox
[21:42] <ardchoille> !es | leo
[21:42] <leo> pero uso el 8.04
[21:42] <nerian> KDE 4 mola mucho, pero entre los drivers de nvidia, que están mal, y que no está muy optimizado, se nota mucha ralentización
[21:42] <genii> !es | nerian
[21:42] <leo> ahh
[21:43] <leo> a mi la virtualizacion me va bien
[21:43] <leo> pero no me quiero arriesgar
[21:44] <leo> por el jaleo de configuracion que tengo en el 8.04
[21:44] <wolfjb> ok, so I just did an apt-get upgrade and now my network manager says eth0 is not managed. previously, in order to get it to work I had to add an entry in /etc/network/interfaces (iface eth0 inet dhcp and auto eth0) how do I get network manager to manage eth0 again?
[21:44] <leo> ahora mismo, estoy con virtualbox en el 8.10
[21:44] <genii> leo nerian Inglés solamente adentro aquí
[21:44] <leo> ok..
[21:44] <d3vil__> i need a putty ssh client for ubuntu 8.10
[21:45] <trappist> d3vil__: sudo apt-get install putty
[21:45] <trappist> I can't imagine why you can't just use openssh though
[21:45] <d3vil__> where  to write this comaand
[21:45] <trappist> in the console
[21:46] <wolfjb> d3vil__: adept manager is a tool you can use to find putty, look in Applications->System
[21:47] <chairman> i got a qquestion can u run 8.10 on a mobile;PDA phone?
[21:47] <chairman> or are they coming w/a mobile version?
[21:48] <genii> chairman: Probably not. There is somewhere a mobile ubuntu version
[21:48] <genii> chairman: Check https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-pda
[21:49] <ardchoille> genii: nice
[21:50] <rober> hola
[21:50] <rober> algun español?
[21:50] <chairman> ok.
[21:50] <genii> chairman: Also http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile
[21:50] <KDesk> !es rober
[21:50] <KDesk> !es @ rober
[21:50] <KDesk> !es | rober
[21:50] <KDesk> :)
[21:50] <isaacj87> opensuse has a cursor theme call oxygen zion. I've looking on the web for it, but cannot find it. Can someone help me out?
[21:50] <trappist> d3vil__: please keep it in the channel - yes, in the terminal
[21:51] <quentin> hey there!
[21:51] <isaacj87> quentin: hey
[21:51] <mefisto__> echo "this is a new line" >> file.txt will append that line to file.txt -- but how can I append that line to the text in file.txt, but save it all in a new file?
[21:52] <quentin> I need some help for kmail configuration with Gmail. Apparently, following the given guide by google doesn't help
[21:52] <quentin> (I cannot send messages)
[21:52] <wolfjb> how do I get NetworkManager to manage eth0?
[21:53] <wolfjb> the client won't connect to eth0
[21:53] <Alex135> wolfjb: it should do it automatically, is eth0 not listed or is it just not connecting
[21:54] <wolfjb> Alex135: it says it isn't managed and it isn't connecting
[21:54] <d3vil__> trappist is all ok in terminal
[21:54] <genii> mefisto__: Use tee
[21:54] <d3vil__> now what
[21:54] <wolfjb> Alex135: the actual text in the dialog is 'device is unmanaged'
[21:54] <quentin> my conf is: smtp.gmail.com port:465 authentification: user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password: my password security: SSL login method : plain
[21:54] <Alex135> wolfjb: have you tried a reboot?
[21:55] <wolfjb> Alex135: just rebooted after the upgrade
[21:55] <quentin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:55] <trappist> desti: now run putty - are you sure you need putty, or do you just need an ssh client?
[21:55] <ardchoille> quentin: I just let kmail check to see what the server supports. thee's a button for this in the smtp setup of kmail
[21:55] <Alex135> wolfjb: do you have custom compiled drivers for it?
[21:55] <mefisto__> genii: thanks
[21:55] <Alex135> wolfjb: wait, you upgraded?
[21:55] <wolfjb> Alex135: nope, stock install
[21:55] <ardchoille> quentin: my kmail is using port 25 and it seems to work
[21:55] <genii> mefisto__: np
[21:55] <wolfjb> Alex135: yeah, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[21:56] <Alex135> wolfjb: what does ifconfig say
[21:56] <quentin> ardchoille: I've done that before, not working ...
[21:56] <Alex135> wolfjb: is it listed in ifconfig?
[21:56] <d3vil__> trappistnow what to doo .... id config defered procesing now taking  place
[21:56] <d3vil__> trappist now what to doo .... id config defered procesing now taking  place
[21:56] <wolfjb> Alex135: yes, and it has an ip address. but if I disable the wireless, my network connection disappears
[21:57] <trappist> d3vil__: your software is installed.
[21:57] <d3vil__> how to open  tell me
[21:57] <Alex135> wolfjb: is the wireless card external?
[21:57] <ardchoille> quentin: Server requires authentication (username + password)?
[21:57] <wolfjb> Alex135: no. this is a laptop. both wireless and wired are built in. I can turn off the wireless though
[21:58] <d3vil__> trappist how to open to config my ircd
[21:58] <Alex135> wolfjb: i was gonna say try rebooting with the wireless card unplugged
[21:58] <ryanakca> How can I stop Kubuntu from turning off after <x> minutes of inactivity? The laptop is plugged in, Intrepid.
[21:58] <ardchoille> quentin: Encryption = TLS; Authentication method = plain
[21:58] <d3vil__> trappist thnx tomuch i find it
[21:58] <wolfjb> Alex135: I have tried adding/removing eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and restarting NetworkManager would that matter?
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: I tried that b4 coming here
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: are you running intrepid?
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: yes
[21:59] <quentin> ardchoille that's what I have...
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: thats yoru problem...
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: nice.
[21:59] <wolfjb> Alex135: go back to hardy?
[21:59] <ardchoille> quentin: and you can receive mail but not send?
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: yes, i went back after some compatability problems of my own
[21:59] <Alex135> wolfjb: kde4 isn't ready yet
[22:00] <Alex135> wolfjb: its better, but not ready yet
[22:00] <wolfjb> Alex135: <sigh>
[22:00] <quentin> ardchoille yep
[22:00] <quentin> ardchoille imap works fine
[22:00] <Alex135> wolfjb: sorry, its mentioned that its not as compatable so it shouldn't come as a suprise
[22:00] <ardchoille> quentin: go into kmail config > Identities > Advanced tab and check Special Transport
[22:00] <Alex135> wolfjb well no, its said not as flexible
[22:01] <Alex135> wolfjb: but its the same thing in this case
[22:01] <wolfjb> Alex135: I'm not really unhappy with kde4 itself, just that NetworkManager doesn't manage my wired network mostly at all
[22:01] <pascal> hey =)  i am new in linux... i am using Kubuntu and i don know how to do an update =(  (sry for my enlgish i am german ^^ )
[22:01] <wolfjb> Alex135: maybe I'll back that out by itself first, before I downgrade completely
[22:01] <pascal> can somebody help me pls =)
[22:02] <Alex135> wolfjb: i know, i never tried the LAN but my WLAN was strange
[22:02] <dwidmann> pascal: just a regular update or a distribution upgrade?
[22:02] <Alex135> wolfjb: even with recompiled drivers
[22:02] <pascal> a regular update =)
[22:02] <wolfjb> Alex135: I picked this laptop because the drivers were well supported, at least they were under hardy
[22:02] <ardchoille> pascal: open a terminal and run:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:03] <wolfjb> Alex135: I assumed they would continue to be well supported in intrepid too
[22:03] <Alex135> wolfjb: yes, the problem is that intrepid isn't quite perfect yet
[22:03] <Alex135> wolfjb: KDE4's netowrk manager needs work
[22:03] <pascal> wow it works :o  thx :DD
[22:03] <ardchoille> yw
[22:03] <ryanakca> How can I stop Kubuntu from turning off after <x> minutes of inactivity? The laptop is plugged in, Intrepid.
[22:04] <Alex135> wolfjb: i would go back to hardy, as it is better in performance and in compatability
[22:04] <Alex135> wolfjb: i can care less about the desktop effects it offers
[22:04] <Alex135> wolfjb:even though they are nice, they arn't essential, while compatability is
[22:04] <quentin> ardchoille: ok now i'm getting something different
[22:04] <wolfjb> Alex135: yeah, and I have an nvidia card, so that was an issue during the beta
[22:05] <wolfjb> Alex135: I usually turn that stuff off anyway.
[22:05] <quentin> ardchoille tells me that the server doesn't support plain id method
[22:05] <Alex135> wolfjb: ya, i never tried it on my desktop mostly because i need to make sure EVERYTHING works before i mess with it, i run VM's and have a lot of other essential stuff that is running on it
[22:05] <dwidmann> ryanakca: you probably have guidance running, there should be an icon for it in the panel
[22:05] <Alex135> wolfjb: i would stay with hardy for now, wait till the next ubuntu release or kde4.2
[22:06] <ryanakca> dwidmann: I set it not to do anything after any inactivity
[22:06] <wolfjb> Alex135: may have to do that. that sucks. the point is that each ubuntu release is stable and it all works, not that it is released partially broken
[22:06] <ardchoille> quentin: go into the smtp setup and click the button that says "Check what the server supports" in Accounts > Sending > modify > security tab
[22:07] <wolfjb> Alex135: that would be the MS trick
[22:07] <dwidmann> ryanakca: you just did now, or you did previously and the setting didn't take?
[22:07] <ryanakca> dwidmann: previously...
[22:07] <Alex135> wolfjb: another option is to try and find a way to recompile the drivers under intrepid and see if that works first
[22:07] <dwidmann> ryanakca: hmm, I wonder if it's a known issue, I'
[22:08] <dwidmann> ** I'll look and see
[22:08] <wolfjb> Alex135: good idea, I'll try that too
[22:08] <ardchoille> quentin: I just did that and it tells me that the plain method is the only things the server supports
[22:08] <quentin> ardchoille that's what I've done. It selects TLS encryption and PLAIN method
[22:08] <Alex135> wolfjb: i am waiting to be able to do a bios upgrade on my Toshiba Satelite A135-S4666 and im not sure if it will screw things up or not... i have never had to do an upgrade since 2 yhears ago when i got it
[22:08] <memeemeee> I need help! my new networking card came with an installation cd but I cam
[22:08] <ryanakca> dwidmann: thanks
[22:09] <quentin> ardchoille yep, but it refuses to connect complaining about the plain method...
[22:09] <memeemeee> I need help! my new networking card came with an installation cd but I can't get the drivers to install I can't even see the new hardware PLEASE HELP
[22:09] <Guest53409> oooo
[22:09] <ardchoille> quentin: pop does not support the plain method, do you have plain in pop config?
[22:10] <Alex135> memeemeee: 1st, if its an insatll cd it has drivers for WINDOWS! linux and windows dont work together, second, your card should be supported, what kind is it
[22:11] <quentin> ardchoille I'm not using pop. Using imap but yes that's plain that it's using...
[22:11] <dwidmann> ryanakca: I'm assuming you're running 8.10?
[22:11] <draik> Is there a widget to monitor bandwidth?
[22:11] <quentin> ardchoille weird...
[22:12] <Alex135> draik: gkrellm?
[22:12] <ardchoille> quentin: I've enver done IMAP so I don't know how to help with that
[22:13] <quentin> ardchoille imap is just for receiving messages, the smtp part is totally (I guess) independant
[22:13] <wolfjb> Alex135: bios upgrades scare me
[22:13] <m_tadeu> hi
[22:13] <Alex135> wolfjb:heh, ya, however it seems as it shoudln't screw around too much with what i have so hopefully it will be fine
[22:14] <Alex135> wolfjb: what is worse is its a "vista only" laptop
[22:14] <m_tadeu> how can I rename the "volumes" in dolphin?
[22:14] <Alex135> wolfjb: the bios limit some things in linux and it could get interesting...
[22:14] <wolfjb> Alex135: I have a Dell Precision M6300, I'm pretty happy with it, but I  haven't looked at the bios a lot
[22:15] <ardchoille> quentin: weird
[22:15] <dwidmann> ryanakca: ?
[22:15] <ardchoille> quentin: Perhaps ask in #kde ?
[22:15] <Alex135> wolfjb: i JUST loooked up the bios and it turns out an upgrade came out this year so i know i have an older version, look up the stats for the Toshiba Satellite A135-S4666
[22:15] <quentin> ardchoille ok, will do that. Thanks for helping!
[22:16] <Alex135> wolfjb: i got it for $415 USD and its an amazing laptop
[22:16] <ryanakca> dwidmann: back, sorry, yes, 8.10
[22:16] <ardchoille> quentin: fwiw, did you try both ports 465 or 587 for smtp?
[22:17] <wolfjb> Alex135: that's amazing! mine was close to $3k
[22:17] <SJrX>  Is there any benifit to using the 64-bit version of Kubuntu if my proc supports it?
[22:17] <memeemeee> Alex135, actually there is a linux driver on the cd it's a Rosewill RC 400-LX (Realtek)
[22:17] <Alex135> wolfjb: the only downside on mine is the video card, its an intel media accelerator
[22:17] <Alex135> memeemeee: no clue, sorry
[22:18] <wolfjb> Alex135: well, if you aren't gaming, it probably doesn't matter too much
[22:18] <Alex135> memeemeee: or, what hapens when you try to install the driver
[22:18] <memeemeee> I get [Module] error 2
[22:18] <m_tadeu> SJrX: mine got a bit faster
[22:18] <Alex135> wolfjb: ya, but a bit of gameing is nice once in a while, a computer geek has to have a bit of fun when he fries his brain on something dificult all day :P
[22:19] <wolfjb> Alex135: no doubt
[22:19] <wolfjb> Alex135: I play openarena quite a bit
[22:19] <_dennister> hi again, still looking for some basic networking help with new intrepid installation
[22:19] <wolfjb> Alex135: maybe someday I'll actually be good at it! :)
[22:20] <_dennister> dhcp was working at first, now i can't even ping the modem/router
[22:20] <Alex135> wolfjb: other window
[22:21] <dwidmann> ryanakca: this could potentially be related but it's hard to say https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/guidance-power-manager/+bug/290854
[22:23] <ryanakca> dwidmann: thanks
[22:23] <dwidmann> ryanakca: don't really know of a solution though
[22:23] <dwidmann> ryanakca: short of not using guidnce
[22:24] <ryanakca> dwidmann: *nod*, thanks
[22:28] <_dennister> hi again, still looking for some basic networking help with new intrepid installation
[22:28] <leonardolima> hi there
[22:29] <_dennister> anyone available?
[22:29] <leonardolima> I need some help
[22:29] <_dennister> dhcp was working at first, now i can't even ping the modem/router
[22:29] <leonardolima> I can't open any web page on Konqueror
[22:29] <leonardolima> it doesn't load
[22:29] <leonardolima> anybody can help me pliz?
[22:30] <leonardolima> uh?
[22:30] <leonardolima> nick leonardo
[22:30] <nardolima> hello
[22:33] <draik_> What is knotify and kded
[22:34] <ardchoille> draik_: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeaccessibility/kttsd/knotify.html
[22:34] <mot_> anybody else having a problem with firefox 3.0.3 on kde 4.1.2 (8.10) not saving cookied sessions? i.e. even if i check 'remember' me on sites i still have to come back and log in every single time i close the site...
[22:35] <ardchoille> draik_: http://api.kde.org/4.0-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kded/html/index.html
[22:35] <serguma> hello, anyone here can help me with a problem?
[22:36] <draik_> ardchoille: Thanks. Is it safe to kill knotify? It keeps getting 86'd at every shutdown
[22:36] <wolfjb> how do I change the runlevel in 8.10?
[22:36] <wolfjb> ie during boot, I'd like to start at runlevel 5
[22:36] <vadrao> Hi all, where can I see the ethernet device/wireless device that is being used by my notebook in the system setttings. I am using Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE4.
[22:37] <ardchoille> draik_: not sure. I think knotify starts up with kde initialization
[22:37] <draik_> kded is taking 50-60% of CPUT
[22:37] <draik_> *CPU
[22:38] <draik_> Should that be normal?
[22:38] <serguma> I just updated and I can't see the contents of my NTFS partitions :(
[22:38] <wolfjb> vadrao: if you have knetworkmanager running it should tell you
[22:39] <_jeff_drumgod_> algum BR por aqui ?
[22:39] <ardchoille> !br | _jeff_drumgod_
[22:39] <ptl> hello
[22:39] <_jeff_drumgod_> #ubuntu-br
[22:39] <ptl> has anyone else noticed that the latest kdebase upgrade broke yakuake by not allowing transparence?
[22:39] <ptl> _jeff_drumgod_: ?
[22:39] <Foodcoman> Anyone know anything about working the task bar in KDE 4.  Im lost.
[22:39] <_jeff_drumgod_> ptl: hello
[22:40] <draik_> ptl: He forgot to put "/j" in front of the channel
[22:40] <ptl> draik_: I see :P
[22:40] <draik_> ptl: ;)
[22:40] <ptl> Foodcoman: what do you mean by working?
[22:40] <ptl> mine is working alright
[22:40] <d3vil__> trappist you have command to config one ircdserver in putty
[22:40] <Foodcoman> I wanted to group say my Web browser.
[22:41] <d3vil__> to add oper something like that
[22:41] <ptl> Does anyone else here use yakuake and can confirm that, please?
[22:41] <Foodcoman> I just dont know how to configure it like kde 3.5.... LOST
[22:41] <vadrao> wolfjb: I am running knetworkmanager (the little green world icon) in my taskbar. When I right click on it and check all the options none of them correspond to the thing I want to know
[22:43] <vadrao> I have internet conection now.. But not through wireless.. So I want to check if Kubuntu has detected my device and do not know where to do or start from
[22:44] <wolfjb> vadrao: dmesg might tell you
[22:44] <trappist> d3vil__: configuring an ircd is very complicated.  there is no command.
[22:45] <ilya_> hi all . Guys how i can look in console - my bluetooth devices?
[22:45] <d3vil__> just for example
[22:45] <d3vil__> totell me
[22:45] <d3vil__> oper conf services conf
[22:45] <d3vil__> inlinux is diferent
[22:45] <d3vil__> or not
[22:46] <ptl> vadrao: try to update now, I just got my wireless working after that.
[22:46] <_dennister> trappist: could u help me pls? having trouble with basic networking in intrepid...worked at first, now can't even ping my router
[22:46] <ptl> ilya_: sdptool scan
[22:47] <trappist> d3vil__: I did it once a million years ago, but I don't remember much about it anymore.  you'll need to ask elsewhere for help configuring the ircd.
[22:47] <ptl> ilya_: Sorry, that's hcitool scan. And if you want to see your local devices attached to your computer, hcitool dev
[22:48] <d3vil__> elsewhere hello
[22:48] <trappist> d3vil__: elsewhere means somewhere else
[22:49] <d3vil__> ok
[22:50] <vadrao> ptl: I am using the latest 4.1.3 actually
[22:50] <vadrao> Kubuntu 8.10
[22:50] <KDesk> I dont know why my monitor shutsdown after 10 minutes of inactivity, but I have it set to 6 in my System Settings, also the xorg.conf is clear. What else can it be?
[22:51] <vadrao> I would like to know how I can see which ethernet card I am using (not through command line) but through Knetworkmanager
[22:51] <vadrao> Please give me the instructions to do so
[22:51] <vadrao> Because geneuinely I am unable to find it
[22:53] <wolfjb> how do you set the default boot runlevel?
[22:53] <KDesk> vadrao: I think that is not possible.. I haven't found it neighter.
[22:54] <vadrao> So, is it that the Knetworkmanager (the latest version) is not capable of doing it ?
[22:55] <ilya_> ptl: tnx. hci0 == bluetooth? in kde4 i can manage my bluetooth device through gui ?
[22:59] <memeemeee> Alex135, when i try to install the driver I get http://pastebin.com/m54ead522
[23:00] <draik> How do I get a screensaver in /usr/local/bin/ to appear in my Screensaver menu?
[23:03] <aaroncampbell> if kpdf no longer in the repos for 8.10?
[23:04] <leonardo_> hi
[23:04] <ardchoille> !info okular | aaroncampbell
[23:04] <aaroncampbell> ardchoille: that's the preferred replacement for kpdf?
[23:04] <aaroncampbell> and/or kghostview?
[23:05] <ardchoille> I think okular replaced both
[23:05] <leonardo_> IDK
[23:05] <leonardo_> I can't open any page on Konqueror
[23:05] <leonardo_> can u help me?
[23:06] <leonardo_> I can't open any page on Konqueror
[23:06] <leonardo_> can u help me?
[23:06] <ardchoille> leonardo_: What exactly is happening?
[23:06] <ardchoille> leonardo_: error? crash?
[23:06] <leonardo_> IDk ... I'm connected and I type a URL on Konqueror and it doesn't open
[23:06] <leonardo_> I only connect on this IRC client
[23:07] <ptl> !info kviewshell
[23:07] <ptl> !info yakuake
[23:07] <vadrao> leonardo_: which version of KDE you are using ? Go to Konqueror>>Help>> About KDE and tell us
[23:07] <leonardo_> r u here yet ardchoille?
[23:08] <leonardo_> version 3.5.9
[23:08] <ardchoille> leonardo_: yes I'm here but your responses are a bit vague for me. Is konqueror waiting and trying to open the page or what?
[23:08] <leonardo_> apt-get doesn't work here too
[23:08] <ardchoille> leonardo_: you need to update your system
[23:09] <ardchoille> the current in hardy is 3.5.10
[23:09] <leonardo_> no the msg that appears is like that:
[23:09] <leonardo_> Um erro ocorreu ao carregar http://google.com.br/:
[23:09] <leonardo_> Não foi possível conectar-se à máquina http://google.com.br/.
[23:09] <leonardo_> how can I do that.. sorry I'm a newbie
[23:10] <Foodcoman> Here is an interesting point.  Help/About KDE in Konversation shows KDE version at 3.5.10, yet Help/About KDE in Konqueror shows 4.1.3
[23:10] <ardchoille> leonardo_: open a terminal and run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:10] <leonardo_> it's working
[23:10] <ardchoille> leonardo_: then restart kde and see if the problem still exists
[23:11] <leonardo_> u mean restart the system or just de x server?
[23:11] <KDesk> Foodcoman: there isn't any Konversation for KDE4, it is pre-alpha.
[23:11] <greengoby> I am looking to install kde4... is kde4-core the one to use to install the main components of kde?
[23:11] <tacosarecool> hello
[23:11] <ardchoille> Foodcoman: the reason for that is not all apps have been proted to kde4 yet
[23:12] <ardchoille> *ported
[23:12] <Foodcoman> KDesk: Gotcha.  I just thought they did a system call or something to get the version.
[23:12] <greengoby> tacosarecool: Howdy
[23:12] <leonardo_> u mean restart the system or just de x server?
[23:12] <ardchoille> leonardo_: after the updates complete, log out and back in
[23:13] <Foodcoman> Kdesk: Anxiously excited about 4.2, hopefully it will add grouping tasks on the taskbar.
[23:13] <leonardo_> ok.. do u think it could be the browser? how can I get firefox here?
[23:13] <jtechidna> Foodcoman: grouping has been added for KDE 4.2
[23:13] <jtechidna> you can even group manually. I've never seen any desktop let you do that
[23:13] <ardchoille> leonardo_: it could be a number of things, but those maybe fixed with an update, it's good to run current versions
[23:14] <KDesk> Foodcoman: I am also looking forward KDE 4.2 :)
[23:14] <memeemeee> when i try to install the driver I get http://pastebin.com/m54ead522
[23:14] <ardchoille> leonardo_: you can install firefox with: sudo apt-get install firefox
[23:14] <ardchoille> leonardo_: but wait and see if konq works
[23:15] <draik> I don't know why, but everything is sending my processor into 100% usage
[23:16] <leonardo_> ok..
[23:16] <Foodcoman> jtechidna: 3.5.xxx had an option to group similar tasks ont he taskbar that I used.  That way all firefoxes where together when you had multiple windows.
[23:17] <KDesk> I think that is the common grouping way
[23:17] <Foodcoman> jtechidna: Missed your post,  Great its in 4.2... Wooop.
[23:17] <jtechidna> :)
[23:17] <greengoby> wow... kdebase-kde4 is a mess...I get all types of unmet dependencies... I thought that was the purpose of apt-get install to simplify these issues...
[23:18] <jtechidna> greengoby: in intrepid?
[23:19] <greengoby> jtechidna: Nope just from command line...
[23:19] <Foodcoman> LOL
[23:19] <jtechidna> I mean, what version of (K)Ubuntu are you using?
[23:19] <ardchoille> greengoby: are you running Kubuntu intrepid or Hardy or what?
[23:20] <ptl> wow, the packages I just updated today have a new version already
[23:20] <ptl> let's do a full-upgrade then!
[23:20] <Foodcoman> Intrepid = 8.10  Hardy = 8.04 right?
[23:20] <ardchoille> yes
[23:20] <greengoby> ardchoille: 8.04 LTS...not Kubuntu... I came and asked for the correct package name to install from command line...
[23:20] <ptl> no new versions :(
[23:21] <ardchoille> greengoby: so you want kde4 on Hardy?
[23:21] <greengoby> Indeed...
[23:21] <Foodcoman> Ubuntu base install adding KDE.
[23:21] <jtechidna> greengoby: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2
[23:21] <ardchoille> jtechidna: ^^
[23:21] <ardchoille> man, yu're fast :)
[23:21] <jtechidna> :P
[23:21] <greengoby> jtechidna: Thanks...
[23:22]  * Foodcoman stopwatch showed seconds.  BAM!
[23:23] <tacosarecool> Anyway for ati x300 to behave good on 8.10
[23:24] <tacosarecool> Well it's behaving good enough
[23:24] <tacosarecool> But not that well
[23:24] <tacosarecool> !ubotu
[23:25] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: I am having some ATI issues with the Raedon Mobility 3650......  Someone said its related in part to the newer X.
[23:25] <tacosarecool> I know but is this the kernel or canonical?
[23:26] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: Im uncertain.  Just what someone else smarter than I said when I asked.  LOL..
[23:28] <tacosarecool> I just hope ubuntu isn't a new vista
[23:28] <tacosarecool> Open source atleast
[23:28] <tacosarecool> I'm glad it's open source
[23:29] <bobbo85> I just tried to make a new partition, gparted gave me an error "Syncing device. FAILED" - now the device isn't even showing up in the device list!  Any help?
[23:29] <Foodcoman> KDE 4 is  bigger, price for the the fancy bling.......  However most newer machines do great with it.  My laptop is not slow at all with it.
[23:30] <tacosarecool> At first I didn't like KDE4 now I do
[23:30] <tacosarecool> I think they could optimize a little more though
[23:31] <npresta> Foodcoman: I find KDE4 actually better with resources than KDE3 if you disable all the fancy 'effects'
[23:32] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: Polish will come as it matures.
[23:32] <esperegu> why is lilo installed and not grub?
[23:32] <Foodcoman> npresta: I have not turned off anything yet.  Still flying on this machine.
[23:33] <npresta> Foodcoman: for sure. Newer machines won't have any problem with KDE4 just as they didn't have any problems with KDE3. :)
[23:33] <tacosarecool> However they stole something from mac
[23:33] <tacosarecool> Lol
[23:33] <npresta> tacosarecool: how so?
[23:33] <tacosarecool> I don't care that they stole something from mac
[23:33] <tacosarecool> You know that
[23:33] <tacosarecool> Trick
[23:33] <tacosarecool> With where you can select windows
[23:33] <tacosarecool> It's like squares
[23:33] <npresta> tacosarecool: expose?
[23:34] <tacosarecool> Maybe
[23:34] <tacosarecool> It's like a task manager but in squares and fancy
[23:34] <Foodcoman> tacosarecool: I am a windows administrator, Linux hobbiest and became a MAC admirer when they went to a unix core.
[23:35] <brauerle> how do I upgrade from 8.04 to 810? Adept_updater doesn't tell, that there is a new release available, like it did on 7.10.
[23:35] <npresta> In all honesty, I'm glad there is competition and 'borrowing' of useful features. It makes things better and competition only drives innovation.
[23:35] <npresta> !upgrade | brauerle
[23:35] <brauerle> thx
[23:35] <mitsarionas> hi... i just noticed kppp isn't in the intrepid default packages... is there any other app that handles dialup (among these installed by default) ?
[23:37] <Foodcoman> npresta: Complete argeement.  If its good, its good who ever came up with it.
[23:38] <npresta> mitsarionas: maybe knet?
[23:38] <npresta> mitsarionas: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/knet
[23:38] <Foodcoman> mitsarionas: check your repose that are enabled.  I show it.
[23:39] <Foodcoman> berickson@megageek4:~$ apt-cache search kppp
[23:39] <Foodcoman> kppp - modem dialer for KDE 4
[23:39] <mitsarionas> hmm... didn't know about it... but still it isn't installed by default is it?
[23:40] <npresta> mitsarionas: I can't check. Is there a reason it has to be installed by default? I thought kppp was there by default
[23:40] <mitsarionas> on intrepid it isn't! that's what surprised me...
[23:40] <Foodcoman> mitsarionas: No its not. go to the package manager and configure your repositories to add the other stuff.  Should show up after that.
[23:40] <npresta> !info kppp
[23:41] <npresta> Its in the main repo, but optional, yes.
[23:41] <Foodcoman> mitsarionas: sudo apt-get install kppp
[23:42] <npresta> Anyways. I should be heading out. Later all
[23:42] <Foodcoman> l8r npresta
[23:42] <Foodcoman> me too.
[23:42] <KDesk> How can I change the defaul apps size every time I start them?
[23:43] <mitsarionas> i know how to apt-get :) ...it's just that it struck me as weird not having a ppp dialer installed by default...
[23:44] <bobbo85> anyone good with gparted errors???
[23:44] <mitsarionas> knet seems cool too
[23:46] <estan> hello. i just upgraded to intrepid and i lost all my notes (notes plasmoids), can i get them back?
[23:47] <jtechidna> estan: the text inside the notes can be found in ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc
[23:47] <estan> jtechidna: ah thanks.. i see it now.. is there a way to re-enable them?
[23:48] <bdizzle> hi, I was wondering if there was a reason why Open Office didn't upgrade from 2.4 to 3.0 when it upgraded?
[23:48] <jtechidna> you could copy the whole file to ~/.kde/share/config/
[23:48] <jtechidna> bdizzle: Intrepid doesn't have openoffice 3.0
[23:49] <estan> jtechidna: ah so that's what happened, hardy -> intrepid went from ~/.kde4 to ~/.kde..
[23:50] <jtechidna> yup
[23:50] <bdizzle> strange
[23:50] <estan> i'll just re-create them and copy over the text.. have to re-format it a bit. thanks.
[23:50] <marco> erm... where can I find kubuntu's power management settings?
[23:50] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  Now that I'm in KDE 4.1 I can't use a menubar like that used in Mac.  So I need to change the menus to the normal looking ones like in Windows.  However, I can't figure out how to do this.  Any ideas?
[23:51] <tacosarecool> Oh ertain
[23:51] <werenerd> hey all, anyone here have experience with Subsonic?
[23:51] <tacosarecool> Right click the k
[23:51] <tacosarecool> And click change to classic
[23:51] <bdizzle> is there a way to get the .deb files of it?
[23:51] <tacosarecool> www.getdeb.net
[23:51] <Ertain> Ah, thank you tacosarecool.
[23:51] <tacosarecool> Your welcome
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> i think my kubuntu is not checking for updates
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> i checked myself after a weak
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> 72 upgrades
[23:52] <DarkSmoke> :/
[23:52] <NekroJakub> Hi, I have a quick question. Can I do something like this: Install Kubuntu by using Wubi, and then from the level of that Wubi Kubuntu install a standard Kubuntu to a new partition?
[23:53] <marco> where can I manage the power management settings for my computer on kubuntu?
[23:54] <ptl> KOOL
[23:54] <ptl> my kubuntu returned to work now
[23:54] <ptl> yakuake's transparency is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:54] <ptl> I can see gmail window right through you guys :P
[23:56] <login_> OI
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[23:57] <ptl> login_: fale em inglês aqui, por favor
[23:57] <login_> PODEMOS TC
[23:57] <ptl> login_: Se você quer discutir em português, use o canal #ubuntu-br -- If you want to discuss in portuguese, use the #ubuntu-br channel
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[23:59] <Ertain> My programs don't have a "Files", "Views", or "Tools" options at the top of the programs.