[00:04] <highvoltage> ScottK: ah that was a previous one (which I couldn't attend either)
[01:45] <ScottK> highvoltage: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/CC seems to be missing that one.
[01:54] <ScottK> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ too.
[01:54] <ScottK> pleia2: Where are the minutes/logs of the CC meeting where this change in membership requirements was decided?
[02:10] <pleia2> ScottK: there wasn't such a meeting (and there weren't any CC meetings in August), it was mostly a discussion with the boards and general reaffirmation in blog posts by several community members that upstream counts if the intent/inspiration of the work helps ubuntu and they are working closely with others in the ubuntu community
[02:11] <pleia2> that's how it always was, I think it just became a bit unclear
[02:11] <ScottK> How is it reaffirmation to do something we've never done?
[02:11] <pleia2> my debian work counted when I became a member in 2007
[02:11] <ScottK> How many Launchpad developers got membership in Ubuntu via their work on LP?
[02:11] <pleia2> I don't know
[02:12] <ScottK> None.
[02:12] <ScottK> The first one applying was one of the inspirations for the topic.
[02:12] <pleia2> but if they're working with the community and have testimonials speaking to that then they should
[02:13] <ScottK> If they are working with the Ubuntu community, sure, but not for code they write in Launchpad.
[02:14] <pleia2> if you don't think the question was answered satisfactorily, can you email the CC? I can't really speak for everyone here
[02:14] <ScottK> I'd like for someone to document what was decided.
[02:14] <ScottK> Until that's done, there's nothing to have an opinion on.
[02:15] <pleia2> I don't know there is much of a specific statement beyond mark's blog post that summed up the discussions
[02:16] <ScottK> It seems very odd to have something on a CC agenda for a month and then when the next meeting rolls around have it have already been decided with no community discussion.
[02:16] <ScottK> Every blog post Mark writes doesn't constitute policy for the project.
[02:16] <ScottK> I'd like to know what that is.
[02:16] <pleia2> there were multiple very long threads on the -devel list and several private discussions that led up to his post
[02:17] <ScottK> OK.  It sounds to me like not special casing Canonical the same way Congress doesn't write tax breaks for specific companies.
[02:18] <pleia2> it's really more complicated than upstream vs non-upstream, there has to be some kind of desire to work with the wider community and improve ubuntu (even if you want to improve everything else too)
[02:18] <pleia2> so it's very hard to write specific rules, it's more making sure the boards keep intent in mind when they review applications
[02:19] <ScottK> Kernel hackers want to improve everything.  So are they all eligible?
[02:19]  * pleia2 sighs
[02:19] <pleia2> this is going to turn into the same discussion that's been hashed out several times and I don't have the time for it right now, the short answer is "it depends"
[02:20] <ScottK> I'd like to see a policy statement that described the "it depends".
[02:20] <pleia2> does the kernel developer handle launchpad bugs in ubuntu because they see a need to improve the experience? do they work with the ubuntu kernel team?
[02:20] <ScottK> I know several DDs that qualify on that basis.
[02:20] <pleia2> ok, I'll write the email to the rest of the CC asking for such a statement
[02:21] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:04] <barry> jelmer_: hi.  i saw poolie is not feeling well.  do we have enough people for a meeting today?
[11:04] <jelmer_> barry: jam is sprinting so he probably won't be around either
[11:05] <barry> jelmer_: so, let's just postpone it for 2 weeks.  we can continue to discuss on the mlist
[11:05] <jelmer_> hi jacob
[11:05] <jelmer_> sorry, jacob
[11:05] <jelmer_> barry: ok
[11:06] <barry> jelmer_: just to leave you on a high note, i *love* the new status output for branching a source branch
[11:06] <jelmer_> barry: Thanks. it's all jam, though :)
[11:06] <barry> :)
[13:18] <highvoltage> ScottK: I think you're right, proposed changes in membership should be documented and there should be some opportunity for feedback. I'm not sure where it was discussed by the CC. I was under the impression that it was at a CC meeting, but that doesn't seem to be the case
[14:19] <ScottK> highvoltage: No, it turns out it was in private.
[14:19] <ScottK> I've asked the CC for some policy statement so we can at least know what they decided.
[14:21] <highvoltage> ScottK: Ok, I'm not sure that any decisions have been layed in stone though. As far as I'm aware it's an ongoing process.
[14:23] <ScottK> I'd like to understand where the CC is on it because my assessment of the results of their conversation are that they decided to not make any changes, but also to do the opposite of what we've done.  Hence I'd like to understand their position better.
[14:24] <ScottK> Considering people who have to make such decisions (I'm one of them on Kubuntu Council) are unclear on the rule, I think the need for some kind of documentation is clear.
[14:32] <highvoltage> ScottK: Indeed, I can understand why the CC would want to discuss it in private initially, but I can't find any public communication about it from the CC. Will do something about that today...
[14:33] <ScottK> I already talked to one of the CC members and they said they'd write the CC list and ask for a public statement.
[14:33] <ScottK> I don't think further action is needed right now.
[14:35] <highvoltage> Ok, if someone is already taking care of it then that's great. I'll wait until next week then before nudging anyone.
[15:00] <cjwatson> Hi folks
[15:01] <bdmurray> hi
[15:01] <barry> hi
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <jhunt> o/
[15:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep  7 15:02:15 2011 UTC.  The chair is cjwatson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[15:02] <cjwatson> so I believe that mvo and slangasek are on holiday and ev is at Plumbers
[15:03] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:03] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e cjwatson barry doko stgraber jhunt bdmurray)
[15:03] <cjwatson> jhunt stgraber bdmurray doko barry cjwatson
[15:03] <cjwatson> not rigged, honest
[15:03] <jhunt> Fix for bug 834813 now in upstream libnih. Finishing tests for Upstart
[15:03] <jhunt> job logging (written 82 new Upstart tests so far!).
[15:03] <jhunt> ☕
[15:03] <doko> argh, missed mumble
[15:03] <stgraber> - This past week
[15:03] <stgraber>  - Monday was a public holiday (labour day)
[15:03] <stgraber>  - Spent most of last Wednesday and Thursday doing ISO testing and bug fixes for beta1
[15:03] <stgraber>  - Did quite a bit of ubiquity debugging and bug fixing
[15:03] <stgraber>  - Started poking at friendly recovery.
[15:03] <stgraber>    - Got it running from /lib (though /usr will be required for whiptail).
[15:04] <stgraber>    - Still need to add some fallback code for when /usr isn't there.
[15:04] <stgraber>    - Asked James for some ideas on how to start friendly recovery really early in the boot sequence.
[15:04] <stgraber>    - Between his e-mail and our mumble discussion, I have enough ideas to start poking at possible implementations.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Continued working on IPv6 testing. Got the code to generate all the VMs done, just need to work on preseeding now.
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Gave a session on the ARB at the Ubuntu App Developer week
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Worked on a few bugfixes for Arkose and tried to get it translated
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Started setting up an iSCSI test environment for bug 838809
[15:04] <stgraber> - TODO
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Debug that iSCSI bug
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Get a new friendly-recovery released fixing bug 234409 and bug 575469 (and probably some others)
[15:04] <stgraber>  - Finish implementing IPv6 testing
[15:04] <stgraber>  - TPM stuff
[15:04] <stgraber> (done)
[15:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: in some ways I rather liked Lennart's idea that if /usr is separate then the initramfs should deal with mounting it too; although it potentially has boot time implications
[15:04] <bdmurray> bug triage of foundation's bug reports
[15:04] <bdmurray> iso-testing bug review and triage
[15:04] <bdmurray> usb-creator bug review and testing
[15:05] <bdmurray> UDD querying for standard output apport package install failures
[15:05] <bdmurray> blog post regarding using UDD when Launchpad text searches are inadequate
[15:05] <bdmurray> investigation into ubiquity version tagging in the source package hook
[15:05] <bdmurray> wrote a bug bot function to deal with failures running update-initramfs on LiveMedia which results in package install failures
[15:05] <bdmurray> created a duplicate siganture for dkms driver failures
[15:05] <bdmurray> review of dkms bug report duplicate signatures
[15:05] <bdmurray> email to bug control regarding filtering bugpattern-needed mailing list bug reports
[15:05] <bdmurray> review of and email to dholbach regarding Bugs/Testing progress tracking
[15:05] <bdmurray> replaced power supply in desktop system
[15:05] <bdmurray> hp touchsmart tm2 troubleshooting and debugging (updated BIOS to resolve boot failure)
[15:05] <bdmurray> holidays (half of Thursday, all of Friday and Monday)
[15:05] <bdmurray> done
[15:05] <barry> bdmurray: is your blog post on voices?
[15:06] <bdmurray> barry: no just on planet.ubuntu.com
[15:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: yeah, I guess /usr is important enough that the initramfs should take care of mounting it, though for the recovery mode, the least file systems we depend on the better (as your /usr partition can be corrupted)
[15:06] <cjwatson> stgraber: yes, true
[15:07] <cjwatson> doko:
[15:07] <doko> - GCC update (should be final for anything but ARM)
[15:08] <doko> - NBS whole week, in need of anti-depressives now
[15:08] <doko> ..
[15:08] <barry> i guess that's my cue...
[15:08] <barry> short week due to usa holiday.  bug 832864 (pyside ftbfs); ffe attained and uploaded new versions of apiextractor, generatorrunner, shiboken, and pyside.  sbuild hackery fun: <http://tinyurl.com/3b2uewn>.  patch pilot, bugs: 770752, 835763, 835763, 835765, 831411, 829078, bug 831411 (zope packages to dhpy2).  xorg crash diagnostics.  bug 407862 (rsyslog - still investigating, can't reproduce).  working on lts ppa for lp.  done.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Quite a bit more work on NBS/FTBFS.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Prepared transitional openssl098 package based on Debian's (but we had a non-trivial set of patches against openssl which needed to be ported, so it took a while).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Uploaded a few grub2 fixes and a Debian merge (bdmurray, one of the things fixed here was bug 537123 - a Debian developer noticed a problem in the previous fix which I think accounts for something you were asking me about at the rally).
[15:09] <cjwatson> Found a strchr bug on ARM, rather to my surprise!  (Bug 842258)
[15:09] <cjwatson> Patch piloted today.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Worked on bug 420080.  I think I have this almost done; still needs a little work to ensure that /etc/crypttab is written correctly.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Some work on packaging OpenSSH 5.9.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Got my Debian kilt :-)
[15:09] <cjwatson> done
[15:10] <doko> have to forward the ARM report to linaro ...
[15:11] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:11] <cjwatson> bdmurray: anything we should be paying attention to this week?
[15:11] <bdmurray> I was looking at usb-creator bugs a bit as it made the 5 packages
[15:12] <bdmurray> and I ran across bug 826716 which seems rather important
[15:13] <barry> wibni the oserror included the file name?
[15:13] <stgraber> I "think" I got that bug at the global jam on Sunday. Ended up just dding the ISO image to the usb stick ;)
[15:14] <cjwatson> bleh, my line numbers don't match
[15:15] <cjwatson> I don't get it, why would mkfs.ext3 not be there?
[15:15] <cjwatson> missing /sbin in PATH maybe?
[15:16] <cjwatson> I guess usb-creator could force /sbin:/usr/sbin onto the PATH
[15:16] <bdmurray> oh, I've personally ran into some /sbin not in path issues
[15:16] <cjwatson> that suggests a problem elsewhere; /sbin is supposed to have been on everyone's default PATH for years now
[15:16] <cjwatson> at least in Ubuntu
[15:17] <cjwatson> usb-creator probably ought not to assume that anyway
[15:17] <cjwatson> I'm pretty tempted to blame something desktopy
[15:17] <bdmurray> right this happened to me somewhat recently on an oneiric system
[15:17] <cjwatson> ps auxewww plus a lot of patience can help to track down the root of such problems
[15:18] <bdmurray> cjwatson: did you mean blame something desktopy for messing up PATH?
[15:18] <cjwatson> yeah, because the thing that opens the PAM session is supposed to deal with this, and that's probably lightdm
[15:19] <cjwatson> I can't see a problem here, but my .bashrc has been adding /sbin and /usr/sbin to PATH for a decade or so which probably masks it
[15:19] <bdmurray> if I ssh to localhost PATH is properly set
[15:19] <cjwatson> ssh does its own PAM handling which gets this right
[15:20] <cjwatson> look for the gnome-session process and see what its PATH is
[15:20] <cjwatson> (in ps auxewww)
[15:20] <stgraber> The switch to lightdm broke my path at some point. Though I think that got fixed
[15:20] <bdmurray> I'm using gdm on both the systems I just looked at
[15:20] <cjwatson> anyway, I'll volunteer to fix usb-creator to tolerate this
[15:20] <stgraber> (but at the same time my .bashrc still contains ". /etc/environment" so I wouldn't notice ;))
[15:20] <cjwatson> assigned/milestoned
[15:21] <bdmurray> There is also bug 818177 which seems to be missing some info from apw
[15:21] <cjwatson> not volunteering for that
[15:21] <bdmurray> heh
[15:22] <cjwatson> though I agree with Steve, simply moving the race isn't a solution
[15:23] <bdmurray> Is having it assigned to the team sufficient?
[15:23] <cjwatson> I think somebody needs to take it and discuss with upstream
[15:24] <jhunt> I started to look into this, but couldn't recreate the prob.
[15:25] <jhunt> I'll ping apw (at Plumbers I think) re the further info and see what we can find.
[15:25] <cjwatson> mm, being a race it may be difficult to reproduce directly; a reproduction case would involve getting a udev event into the queue, making sure it isn't processed before udevadm control --exit, and then checking that the event is processed somehow
[15:26] <cjwatson> I suppose flooding udev with events just before the control --exit might do it
[15:26] <cjwatson> err - checking that the event is lost, I mean
[15:26] <cjwatson> the udev_exit case in udevd.c does:
[15:26] <cjwatson>                         /* discard queued events and kill workers */
[15:26] <cjwatson>                         event_queue_cleanup(udev, EVENT_QUEUED);
[15:26] <cjwatson>                         worker_kill(udev, 0);
[15:27] <cjwatson> which is probably fine if udevd has been SIGTERMed, but shouldn't it be a bit more careful in the control --exit case (i.e. graceful exit)?
[15:28] <cjwatson> also I'm surprised that udev in the real root doesn't catch up with the lost events
[15:29] <cjwatson> perhaps we assume that the device for the real root exists by the end of the initramfs
[15:30] <cjwatson> jhunt: anyway, I think you're closest to this; can I assign it to you for the time being, and you can see what you and apw can work out?  feel free to ask me for ideas for debugging methods if need be
[15:30] <jhunt> cjwatson: count on my calling on you at some point :-)
[15:31] <bdmurray> finally there is bug 835625 which steve seems to be watching
[15:31] <cjwatson> yep; it's a messy one, not expecting anything immediately
[15:31] <bdmurray> however it is milestoned and unassigned
[15:32] <cjwatson> yes, I think that's best left to Steve; I'll assign him for the time being
[15:32] <bdmurray> okay, that's all I've got
[15:33] <cjwatson> OK, thank you
[15:33] <cjwatson> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:33] <cjwatson> anything else?
[15:34] <bdmurray> I'm guessing pitti is at plumbers too?  I could use a second pair of eyes regarding the ubiquity apport package hook
[15:34] <cjwatson> I'm not sure; he has been on IRC today
[15:34] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.10-beta-2 isn't looking too bad, but obviously needs continuing attention
[15:39] <cjwatson> sounds like that's a wrap; thanks all
[15:39] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[15:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep  7 15:39:17 2011 UTC.
[15:39] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-07-15.02.moin.txt
[15:39] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:39] <barry> thanks!
[15:39] <doko> bye
[15:40] <jhunt> thanks
[16:57]  * charlie-tca waves
[16:58] <pedro_> hola :-)
[16:59] <nuclearbob> howdy
[16:59] <nuclearbob> gema had some things to take care of today, so we traded weeks
[17:00] <nuclearbob> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Sep  7 17:00:17 2011 UTC.  The chair is nuclearbob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:00] <nuclearbob> #meetingtopic Previous Actions
[17:01] <nuclearbob> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[17:01] <nuclearbob> anything left over from last week?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Nothing I can remember
[17:01] <nuclearbob> all right
[17:02] <nuclearbob> [TOPIC] Community Efforts/Testing
[17:03] <nuclearbob> any updates for this since yesterday's status emails?
[17:05] <nuclearbob> sounds like no
[17:05] <nuclearbob> I guess we can move on
[17:05] <nuclearbob> [TOPIC] Automated/Systems Testing
[17:06] <nuclearbob> bjf, are you still with us or have you rotated back to the kernel team?
[17:07] <nuclearbob> I guess while I'm at it, who is here today?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> o/
[17:08] <pedro_> o/
[17:09] <nuclearbob> I've been working with patrickmw and bjf on automated testing, we're trying to get ltp results created in a virtual machine inserted into a database so they'll be automatically pulled out before the vm is destroyed and then they can be logged by jenkins
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Well, that makes your first time as chair harder
[17:09] <nuclearbob> yeah
[17:10] <nuclearbob> I think bjf will soon be or already is rotated back to the kernel team, so I'll be picking up the work he was doing
[17:10] <nuclearbob> anything else on Automated/Systems Testing?
[17:11] <nuclearbob> all right
[17:11] <nuclearbob> [TOPIC] Odds & Ends
[17:13] <nuclearbob> Gema has been going over possible use case configurations and trying to narrow down a good subset of them to test
[17:13] <nuclearbob> different factors were network connectivity, os layout, partition layout, memory, available disk space, and file systems in use
[17:14] <nuclearbob> bjf created some bug tracking reports here:
[17:14] <nuclearbob> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/iso-testing-open-oneiric.html
[17:14] <nuclearbob> and here:
[17:14] <nuclearbob> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/oneiric-milestone-bugs.html
[17:15] <nuclearbob> anything else?
[17:15] <pedro_> are those being updated regularly?
[17:15] <nuclearbob> the last bugs
[17:16] <nuclearbob> I see are from the 1st, so I'm not sure if they are
[17:16] <pedro_> ah it says : "2011-09-02 00:27:54.043914"
[17:17] <nuclearbob> I'll get information from Brad on what needs to be done to get those up to date and see about taking over that process
[17:17] <pedro_> nuclearbob, awesome, thanks
[17:17] <nuclearbob> any other odds or ends?
[17:18] <nuclearbob> all right
[17:18] <nuclearbob> [TOPIC] Next Chait
[17:18] <nuclearbob> [TOPIC] Next Chair
[17:18] <nuclearbob> last week we planned for Gema to take this meeting and I was going to take next week, but Gema was unavailable today, so we swapped
[17:18] <nuclearbob> unless anyone objects, Gema will chair the next meeting
[17:18] <pedro_> heh sounds like a plan then ;-)
[17:19] <charlie-tca> great
[17:19] <nuclearbob> all right
[17:19] <nuclearbob> [ACTION] gema to chair next meeting
[17:19] <meetingology> ACTION: gema to chair next meeting
[17:19] <nuclearbob> anything else?
[17:20] <nuclearbob> all right, thanks everybody, see you next week
[17:20] <nuclearbob> #endmeeting
[17:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Sep  7 17:20:15 2011 UTC.
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[17:20] <charlie-tca> nuclearbob: thank you for chairing
[17:20] <nuclearbob> no problem
[17:20] <pedro_> nuclearbob, thank you for chairing
[17:20] <nuclearbob> it's pretty easy when there aren't very many people here :)
[17:21] <pedro_> indeed :-)
[21:19] <falantino1> hi all


[21:07] <minasota> cyberanger: Is it normal in Debian to get a "Permission Denied" as root?
[22:42] <wrst> minasota: what directory are you in? I have seen that before but can't really remember what was up


[10:11] <vpol> hi all
[10:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> If I have a daemon that I start like this: sudo /usr/sbin/mydaemon & then how do I add an init script and be sure that it returns so the rest of the things in init also run?
[10:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> What I've done so far... sudo ln -s /root/syslog2mysql.sh /etc/init.d/syslog2mysql
[10:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> sudo update-rc.d syslog2mysql default 99
[10:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> sudo chmod 700 /root/syslog2mysql.sh
[10:35] <FlyingSquirrel32> then I run it using sudo /etc/init.d/syslog2mysql  It looks like it worked, but it doesn't return, which is a problem when rebooting because the whole system hangs.
[11:02] <FlyingSquirrel32> nevermind, i just put it in rc.local


[05:19] <Mirv> hmm. bug #1219695 and the last comments.
[05:19] <Mirv> ie. it seems the Touch multimedia team would like to have a qtmultimedia fork in with different package names.
[05:21] <Mirv> I start to think it's not related to Qt 5.1.1 FFe as such, but it doesn't sound it would automatically fall under the generic touch FFe either at least without further discussing
[05:22] <Mirv> since it's both Qt 5.1.1, but not really (the upstream 5.0.2 version stays in archives). it's touch specific, but it's a fork of upstream sources.
[05:26] <ScottK> Mirv: I'd suggest ask for a new FFe.  You'll need an archive admin to volunteer to New it in any case.
[05:26] <Mirv> ScottK: ok, sounds sensible
[05:26] <ScottK> Mirv: Would you please mark the 5.1.1 FFe tasks invalid.
[05:27] <Mirv> ScottK: ok
[05:28] <Mirv> ScottK: or won't fix, as you did for qtbase and qtdeclarative?
[05:28] <ScottK> Yes.  That's what I meant.  Sorry.
[05:28] <ScottK> Even more sign I should be sleeping now.
[05:35] <Mirv> (done)
[07:24] <Noskcaj> Can someone look at bug 1221913 please?
[09:30] <asac> cjwatson: hi
[09:30] <asac> cjwatson: we have a whole desktop lot in our CI staged
[09:30] <asac> cjwatson: i assume it was supposed to land yesterday and just waits there... can you check the [09:30] <asac> and tell me if you want to reject anything of that?
[09:31] <asac> search for [09:36] <cjwatson> asac: It doesn't look like anything there breaks UI freeze, with the possible exception of the unity-scope-mediascanner change - but at worst that looks like a reasonable bug-fix and it's only in a single scope
[09:37] <cjwatson> asac: Do you know of any UI changes I've missed?
[09:37] <cjwatson> (I mean, of the kinds that would show up in screenshots)
[09:39] <asac> ok ... i didnt pay much attention to desktop, so i dont have a good understanding, but i will find someone to tell me
[09:39] <asac> dont worry then
[09:45] <cjwatson> I'm OK with the rest of it
[12:40] <knome> this has been bugging me for a few cycles already, so here's the thing: does anybody think there is any reason to prefer the *visual* formatting in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule over https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PasiLallinaho/ReleaseScheduleReformatting ?
[12:42] <cjwatson> Not a bad idea; the text towards the bottom of the original gets increasingly hard to read.
[12:42] <knome> exactly
[12:43] <cjwatson> The visited-link colour on the darkest red here actually makes my eyes hurt trying to read it.
[12:44] <knome> if there are other thing you think might make it more legible/useful (visually), feel free to point out
[12:44] <knome> *things
[12:52] <cjwatson> I think you should go ahead and make that change, also to TSeries/ReleaseSchedule
[12:52] <cjwatson> In fact wouldn't hurt to change historical schedules as well
[12:52] <cjwatson> You can put r=cjwatson in the commit message if you like
[12:54] <knome> ok, i'll do that
[12:54] <knome> cheers :)
[12:55] <knome> (btw, we have one UIFe coming... bug 1228098, but that's not completely prepared yet)
[12:55] <Mirv> I've helped the multimedia team to craft FFe of a co-installable alternate qtmultimedia version which would bring GStreamer 1.0 support as long as a released upstrea version does not yet have it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1227987
[12:55] <Mirv> I will however leave it to sergiusens hands now soon for today
[13:03] <knome> cjwatson, done for S and T
[13:03] <cjwatson> thanks
[13:03] <knome> cjwatson, will go through the historical ones when i have extra time
[13:40] <Laney> Mirv: that's more than just GStreamer 1.0 porting, isn't it?
[13:40] <Laney> otherwise why does it mention mir?
[13:44] <Mirv> sergiusens: ^
[13:44] <sergiusens> Laney, let me get jhodapp on here
[13:45] <Laney> no need, you can reply in the bug
[13:46] <jhodapp> sergiusens, here
[13:46] <sergiusens> jhodapp, Laney just said to reply in the bug for the FFe explaining all the changes in QtMultimedia
[13:46] <sergiusens> wrt to the Mir symbols and such
[13:47] <Laney> ScottK: do you have an opinion about this?
[13:47] <jhodapp> sergiusens, so reply to this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1227987
[13:48] <Laney> jhodapp: It's because I think there might be a bit more than just porting to gst 1.0 APIs
[13:48] <jhodapp> Laney, yes there is more, I added a new renderer control
[13:49] <jhodapp> sergiusens, the package is close...I just tested with it and I get audio playback but no video
[13:50] <sergiusens> jhodapp, awesome, let's go back to #phablet
[13:50] <jhodapp> k
[13:58] <jbicha> please remove the binary for gnome-documents/armhf
[16:11] <attente> hello, is there anyone i can talk to about this FFe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/1228207
[18:24] <knome> cjwatson, oneiric, raring and precise are fixed. quantal was okay with no dark red, so i left it as is.
[18:36] <cjwatson> knome: thanks
[18:37] <knome> cjwatson, unless stgraber gets to it first, we need bug 1228098 ACK'd (we have an uploader today)
[18:40] <stgraber> knome: approved
[18:40] <stgraber> knome: (as your doc team is fine with that and it won't be a problem there)
[18:40] <knome> cheers :)
[18:40] <cjwatson> heh, in-flight collision
[18:40] <cjwatson> do see my comment though
[18:41] <stgraber> well, at least we agreed :)
[18:41] <stgraber> oh, and good point about ubiquity
[18:42] <infinity> *cough*
[18:44] <knome> yeah, we need to look at ubiquity. thanks for catching that...
[19:00] <knome> cjwatson, we need to change the name in ubiquity as well. UIFe still ACK'd? :)
[19:01] <knome> or stgraber, or infinity...
[19:02] <cjwatson> Yes
[19:02] <knome> also, question: are *new* shortcuts (binding media keys) considered under FFe or not?
[19:02] <knome> or, FF
[19:03] <knome> while we update the our default-settings package, would be good to get those in as well. can file a FFe bug if needed.
[19:03] <stgraber> knome: can you give me the new name?
[19:04] <knome> stgraber, just a sec, i'll confirm that
[19:04] <knome> stgraber, xubuntu-wallpaper.png in the same directory as the previous one.
[19:06] <stgraber> knome: so /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-wallpaper.png, correct?
[19:08] <infinity> jibel: Want to help me navigate jenkins and divine why the nova tests seem to have been failing?
[19:08] <knome> stgraber, correct. :)
[19:10] <infinity> jibel: Oh, nevermind, I think I found it.
[19:15] <stgraber> knome: I pushed the fix to the ubiquity packaging branch. Let me know once the new wallpaper is in the archive and I'll look into uploading ubiquity.
[19:15] <knome> stgraber, thanks, i'll do that
[19:25] <knome> can anybody confirm my question re: shortcuts a while ago?
[19:48] <ochosi> hi everyone, can someone please take a look at this FFe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1228356
[19:51] <ochosi> (and ideally ACK it ;))
[19:51] <ochosi> stgraber: knome is afk, but the xubuntu-artwork pkg with the new wallpaper has just been uploaded
[20:04] <stgraber> ochosi: ok
[20:05] <ochosi> stgraber: thanks for updating ubiquity!
[20:05] <ochosi> this will be the last time this has to be changed, pinky-promise
[20:06] <stgraber> cjwatson: so I see you commited the reiserfs change to ubiquity, should I just refresh the builtin source packages or do we need anything else before that's uploadable?
[20:08] <ochosi> stgraber: maybe that's asking too much, but if you have time to look at the FFe i posted above, we'd have an uploader around tonight (and it should be a trivial FFe)
[20:10] <attente> hello, is there anyone i can talk to about this FFe? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-greeter/+bug/1228207
[20:12] <ochosi> attente: are you working on unity-greeter? cause i spotted a small bug...
[20:12] <attente> ochosi, not actively, only for the bug i just posted
[20:12] <ochosi> ah ok
[20:30] <ochosi> stgraber: thanks a lot!!


 Pretty much - Keep call and [verb] on
[09:13] <Squirm> I see
[09:13] <Squirm> supposedly scripted
[09:13] <Squirm> “Keep Calm and Rape a Lot” and “Keep Calm and Rape Them”.
[09:13] <Squirm> I mean, really
[09:14] <jrgns> http://boingboing.net/2013/03/02/how-an-algorithm-came-up-with.html
[09:17] <Squirm> that's a good idea as well :P
[09:17] <Squirm> you just need to remove the really offensive verbs
[09:24] <jrgns> yup
[09:32] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:32] <Symmetria> http://www.takealot.com/computers/computer-components/thermaltake-level-10-gt-gaming-chassis-extend-atx-full-tower,9755985
[09:32] <Symmetria> thoughts on that thing?
[09:32] <Symmetria> thinking of getting me one
[09:37] <tonberry352_> looks silly to me
[09:38] <Symmetria> heh, it has hotswap drive bays
[09:38] <Symmetria> which I like
[09:38] <confluency> As some of the commenters point out, not all the possible combinations (which should logically be generated by suc an algorithm) are there, which suggests some degree of oversight.
[09:38] <Symmetria> and its got extremely good cooling which I need
[09:39] <confluency> My response to anything like this is "show me the algorithm, or STFU". People like to blame all kinds of things on "computer error" even when it makes very little sense, seemingly hoping that most people don't know enough about computers to question the explanation.
[09:40] <Symmetria> heh
[09:40] <Symmetria> I cannot believe they print shirts
[09:40] <Symmetria> with random sayings on them
[09:40] <Symmetria> without first checking what they print
[09:41] <Symmetria> because you print the wrong thing, you could have a costly mistake, that becomes stuff you throw away
[09:46] <confluency> I'd call this a fauxpology, but I think the writer's English is just not very good: http://www.solidgoldbomb.com/pages/our-apology
[09:48] <confluency> I had to lol at the algorithm "explanation" which basically seems to be "the cloud did it".  I guess they combined word fragments which commonly occur together in large samples of data, which could explain things like lack of gender symmetry.
[09:53] <Symmetria> considering the amount of porn on the net, if that were the case they woulda been coming up with crap like "keep calm, and suck dick"
[09:53] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:58] <Vince-0> lols
[10:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.turnitaround.co.za/news/news_article/1998/r140m-for-fstate-website-report-sanews
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> I think it's time I learned wordpress :)
[11:00] <tonberry352_> yeah
[11:00] <tonberry352_> should be quite lucrative
[11:23] <superfly> WordPress "developers" totally boil my blood
[11:23] <superfly> I told our work not to get a WordPress site, they did, and now we're suffering for it
[11:24] <Symmetria> *laugh* you dont need to learn wordpress for it to be lucrative, you just need to be related to an anc member
[11:24] <superfly> WordPress is like the language it is written in... it makes wannabes think that they're for real
[11:24] <Symmetria> or be willing to share the profits with one anyway
[11:24] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> at R140m for a simple site like that, I'd happily agree to a split
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> just give me 10% of it :)
[12:03] <tonberry352_> I'd be happy with 0.5%
[12:09] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I don't beleive that article
[12:09] <Squirm> bloody SA
[12:09] <Squirm> someone is pocketing a fair sum
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, its sad
[12:28] <magespawn> R140 million for a website?
[12:34] <magespawn> some more info here
[12:34] <magespawn> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/71700-r140-million-for-government-wordpress-website.html
[12:35] <magespawn> looks like most of the other  articles are repeat of the sowetan
[12:37] <magespawn> perhaps we could set up our own company to do websites and use some of the money to fund our own events
[12:37] <magespawn> lol
[12:55] <griffin_> Hi every1
[13:00] <superfly> hi griffin_
[13:09] <Kilos> afternoon superfly inetpro and others too
[13:09] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Kilos hi" 6 hours, 35 minutes and 7 seconds ago
[13:09] <Kilos> yo maiatoday
[13:10] <Kilos> oh sposed to say hiya maia
[13:10] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[13:10] <superfly> afternoon Kilos
[13:10] <Kilos> ty sir 4 installations later
[13:11] <Kilos> kde running and nm working
[13:11] <Kilos> only this one dont want to up the screen size
[13:12] <Gripen> Hi everyone
[13:14] <superfly> hi Gripen
[13:14] <Kilos> hi Gripen
[13:14] <Kilos> you got spelling probs again
[13:14] <Kilos> lol
[13:14] <Gripen> Im new to Ubuntu and Freenode - so please forgive me if I step on someone's toes..
[13:15] <Kilos> oh my welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:15] <Gripen> thanx
[13:15] <Kilos> just step gently my toes are old
[13:15] <Kilos> can we help you?
[13:16] <Kilos> hi jr
[13:16] <Kilos> grr
[13:16] <Gripen> Can I give some background before I just jump in?
[13:17] <Kilos> yes please do Gripen
[13:18] <Gripen> I'm an IT Service Manager for a non-profit organization  - and are looking into moving to Ubuntu for obvious reasons - free and efficient OS
[13:19] <Gripen> ..but simple support issues are preventing its progress to implementation
[13:20] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos o/
[13:20] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[13:20] <Kilos> Gripen: state what support you need and the guys will help you out
[13:21] <Gripen> We use quite a lot of Brother Printers - Brother MFC 7440 N - cant get it to work with Ubuntu 12.04
[13:23] <Gripen> There seems to be a MFC 7450 N driver - which I tried to make use of - but failed. Followed the instructions on Brother's site for Linux as well. I used the CUPS wrapper, etc to manage it - it's a network printer so need to point to an IP. It picks up the printer and shows as online - but when you start printing, it just pops out a 100 blank pages..
[13:24] <Kilos> Gripen: just hang around and when one of the brains gets a break he will help you
[13:24] <Kilos> im a noob
[13:25] <Gripen> he he - thanx - The Brain
[13:27] <Kilos> which release of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:27] <Kilos> then we can check so long what our bot finds in goole
[13:27] <Kilos> google too
[13:29] <Kilos> Gripen: look here meantime
[13:29] <Kilos> http://www.brother-usa.com/mfc/modeldetail.aspx?PRODUCTID=MFC7440N
[13:29] <Kilos> sorry this one
[13:29] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1939744
[13:33] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[13:35] <griffin_> Hi Gripen. Have you looked at the video for the Brother 7450: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YekdBoF7vlY
[13:38] <Gripen> Ok - Im gonna look at that now
[13:39] <Kilos> wbb now now
[13:40] <griffin_> Kilos AFK
[13:40] <Symmetria> heh I love how takealot, you order something the first time, they take the money for the order and *THEN* ask for proof of ID
[13:40] <Symmetria> surely its a good idea to ask for the ID *before* you take someones money
[13:40] <Symmetria> ;p
[13:41] <Symmetria> lol oh well, now gotta sit waiting a week for new case to arrive
[13:42] <Gripen> I followed the process as per Youtube clip - and it used the same driver as on there - but then the printer does not respond at all
[13:42] <griffin_> Borther printers......
[13:44] <Gripen> Oh Brother...
[13:44] <Gripen> Oh Brother...
[13:45] <Symmetria> http://www.takealot.com/computers/computer-components/thermaltake-level-10-gt-gaming-chassis-extend-atx-full-tower,9755985 <[13:46] <griffin_> Gripen: Another thread that talks about the blank pages and a possible solutions can be found here as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1283741
[13:47] <griffin_> They indicated it could be a problem with the printer driver (from experiance even in windows I know this) and I think you should try a older or newer model driver so tes
[13:47] <griffin_> *test
[13:53] <Gripen> ok - will try that.
[13:54] <Gripen> Thanx for all the help - will come back when I tried some tests
[13:57] <griffin_> Cheerz everyone. On my way home
[14:05] <Gripen> Cheers
[14:06] <superfly> Gripen: we have a Brother printer in our office, and it doesn't work for me either
[14:06]  * superfly would kick it if he could
[14:06] <Gripen> Quit
[14:06] <Gripen> I share your pain
[15:11] <nuvolari> Olivetti works ok
[15:11] <nuvolari> I didn't know they are still in business
[15:11] <nuvolari> :P
[16:07] <zeref_debian> hmmmm
[16:08] <zeref_debian> there is something strange, in my vlc, who you gona call?
[16:09] <Vince-0> apt-get remove?
[16:11] <zeref_debian> heh
[16:11] <zeref_debian> volume @ 100% is like 0%, volume at 200% is like 100%
[16:12] <Vince-0> ah, check the other volume settings in the OS
[16:12] <Vince-0> could also be the file
[16:14] <somaunn> Hello everyone !
[16:14] <Vince-0> Gd'eve
[16:19] <zeref_debian> Vince-0: vol is on max
[16:22] <somaunn> zeref_debian, have you tried to put it to max with alsamixer on the cli?
[16:25] <zeref_debian> hmmm
[16:25] <zeref_debian> lemme try
[16:33] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:33] <Kilos> lo kbmonkeyyou here too
[16:33] <Kilos> wooo
[16:39] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[16:40] <Kilos> hi henk Cantide
[16:41] <Kilos> oh bye henk
[16:41] <Cantide> :p
[16:41] <Cantide> how are you, Kilos ?
[16:41] <Kilos> im on konversation and trying to find a manly sound
[16:41] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[16:41] <Cantide> lol
[16:42] <Cantide> i'm okay :)
[16:42] <Cantide> i'm nursing a nice sunburn from a weekend of fishing and cycling
[16:42] <Kilos> vinegar helps
[16:42] <Cantide> i've heard..
[16:43] <Cantide> i went into the garden and scavenged some aloe
[16:43] <Cantide> hahaha
[16:43] <Cantide> not sure if it helped
[16:43] <Kilos> and you only smell sour for 5 mins
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:43] <Cantide> but it sure was messy :p
[16:43] <Cantide> it's Monday, i'm allowed to be sour for at least another 5 hours '-';;
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <Cantide> i caught 2 bass on Saturday '-';;;
[16:44] <Cantide> and cycled about 30 km off road
[16:44] <Cantide> and that's after getting a whopping 1 and a half hour's sleep on Friday night
[16:44] <Cantide> haha
[16:44] <Cantide> so i'm resting now :p
[16:45] <Kilos> ow
[16:45] <Cantide> Kilos, what's your opinion on the rolling release speculation?
[16:45] <Kilos> did you eat the bass?
[16:45] <Cantide> nah
[16:45] <Cantide> threw them in the bucket with my friend's fish
[16:45] <Cantide> not even sure what happened to them
[16:45] <Cantide> i heard they taste like mud :p
[16:45] <Kilos> i think it might be better as long as they dont rest more and leave updates and fixes till released again
[16:46] <Kilos> no bass is lekker to eat
[16:46] <Kilos> they live on insects
[16:46] <Cantide> yeah, i also like the idea of rolling releases and just LTS versions
[16:46] <Cantide> ah :)
[16:46] <Kilos> barble tastes bit muddy and some carp
[16:46] <Cantide> "This tastes like carp!"
[16:46] <Cantide> haha
[16:46] <Kilos> but a clever cook can make barbel lekker too
[16:47] <Cantide> there is a Thai restaurant near my house that has "Crap soup" on the menu :p
[16:47] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <Cantide> well, i can get infinite bass if i like
[16:47] <Kilos> bass is lekker
[16:48] <Kilos> bass and trout are you best fresh water fish to eat
[16:48] <Cantide> we were encouraged to go back and fish again because there are too many small bass in the dams '-'
[16:49] <Kilos> oh if they wanna get rid of more small ones then catch lots and just braai or fry the fillets
[16:49] <Cantide> interesting :p
[16:49] <Kilos> normally one puts little ones back
[16:49] <Cantide> we fed about 20 of them to the dogs
[16:50] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <Cantide> yeah, but the farmer complained that there are too many little ones
[16:50] <Kilos> you dunno what you missed
[16:50]  * Cantide shrugs
[16:50] <Cantide> i'm going back for some cycling sometime though
[16:50] <Kilos> then just fry some fillets and see for yourself
[16:50] <Cantide> nice tracks through sugarcane farms and along the edge of the gorge
[16:51] <Kilos> ians moms father was a sugar cane farmer at illovo
[16:52] <Cantide> cool
[16:52] <Kilos> but bass are inland fish
[16:52] <Cantide> i went to Port Shepstone
[16:52] <Cantide> and fairly close to the coast, too
[16:53] <Kilos> by bike?
[16:53] <Cantide> no no
[16:53] <Kilos> whew thats far
[16:53] <Kilos> ah
[16:53] <Cantide> it's an hour and a half drive from where i stay
[16:53] <Cantide> just took my bicycle along :p
[16:53] <Kilos> yeah
[16:53] <Kilos> ian was born there
[16:55] <Cantide> i'm going to miss SA
[16:55]  * Cantide sighs
[16:55] <Kilos> where you going and when?
[16:56] <Kilos> yo theblazehen
[16:56] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[16:57] <Cantide> Kilos, it's still not certain when, but South Korea :)
[16:57] <Kilos> whew
[16:57] <theblazehen> whtas that?
[16:57] <Kilos> Cantide: is moving to south korea
[16:57] <Cantide> my immigration plans
[16:58] <theblazehen> ok
[16:58] <Cantide> assuming i fulfill them this year
[16:58]  * Cantide is still waiting for UNISA
[17:00] <Kilos> lol theblazehen i tried 3 fresh installs of unity and no 3g connection so tried kubuntu again and it works
[17:00] <Kilos> didnt last 4 tries
[17:00] <theblazehen> Nice :)
[17:00] <Kilos> weird stuff happens here
[17:00] <theblazehen> what u mean > didnt last 4 tries
[17:00] <theblazehen> does kubuntu fully work now?
[17:01] <Kilos> i tried kubuntu and unity yesterday about 8 times between them
[17:01] <Cantide> o_o
[17:01] <Kilos> lol
[17:01] <Cantide> are you okay?
[17:01] <Cantide> haha
[17:01] <Kilos> what you mean fully theblazehen
[17:02] <theblazehen> does it always work on kubuntu?
[17:02] <Kilos> yeah i like kde even though its a bit slower than unity
[17:02] <theblazehen> you can apt-get install unity-desktop i think
[17:02] <Kilos> nope last 4 tries kubuntu didnt see the 3g either
[17:03] <theblazehen> sucks:( does it work on windows?
[17:03] <Kilos> what?
[17:03] <theblazehen> does modem work on windows?
[17:03] <Kilos> the modem?
[17:03] <theblazehen> yea
[17:03] <Kilos> yes it installs fine
[17:04] <theblazehen> maybe share the connection via wifi if you have another laptop
[17:04] <Kilos> i dont have windows on anything here but got 2 ubuntus sharing 3g with ssh before
[17:05] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:05] <Kilos> bbl
[17:05] <theblazehen> ok bye
[17:11] <theblazehen> $((12-6+5))
[17:12] <theblazehen> oops wrong terminal
[17:12] <Cantide> :)
[17:17] <Kilos> lol
[17:19] <Kilos> inetpro: waars jy
[17:21] <theblazehen> hey griffin_
[17:21] <Kilos> zeref_debian: you abandoned ubuntu?
[17:21] <Kilos> yo griffin_
[17:21] <theblazehen> was just about to /whois you
[17:21] <theblazehen> Tried ubuntu touch
[17:21] <griffin_> Hi theblazehen, Kilos
[17:22] <griffin_> Information... touch... need.... now...
[17:22] <theblazehen> Port to the s2 sucks so far, but as far as i can tell it will work well on supported harware
[17:23] <theblazehen> UI is nice to use
[17:23] <theblazehen> Sliding between open apps quite nice
[17:23] <zeref_debian> Kilos: yes
[17:24] <griffin_> Can you explain what that dotted circle in the middle does? I just cant find out exactly what its meant for
[17:24] <theblazehen> on the unlock screen?
[17:24] <griffin_> yes
[17:24] <nlsthzn> it will change as info changes ....
[17:24] <theblazehen> think it shows notifications
[17:24] <theblazehen> yea, amount of notifications then
[17:25] <nlsthzn> sometimes it will give an impression  of how many messages you got, sometimes something else
[17:25] <nlsthzn> a visual representation of how many hours you have wasted on the phone etc :p
[17:25] <theblazehen> OK. on the install i got it only showed tweets, network wouldn't work
[17:26] <nlsthzn> tech demo is demo
[17:26] <griffin_> Because I saw the amount of dots and just could not think it was just for messages and notifications
[17:26] <theblazehen> ok
[17:26] <griffin_> So not 3G for testing or do you mean wireless>
[17:27] <theblazehen> no 3g or wifi
[17:27] <griffin_> Well that sort of sucks. But at a glans is it worth waiting for?
[17:28] <theblazehen> Yea :) giving the port a week before I try it againb :)
[17:28] <griffin_> So they are doing weekly updates?
[17:29] <theblazehen> Don't know. Hopeing the person who is working on the s2 fixes it up in a weeks time
[17:30] <griffin_> A yes.. hope... So other than that what you guys up 2?
[17:31] <Kilos> ?
[17:32] <theblazehen> not much here
[17:33] <griffin_> I have firewall updates tonight. So its a 6pack and a few hours of updating...
[17:33] <Kilos> i wonder if that new guy came right with his printer
[17:34] <griffin_> I hope so. Think if he changed to a different driver that printer would print
[17:34] <theblazehen> which new gut?
[17:34] <theblazehen> guy*
[17:34] <griffin_> A Gripen dude that was here earlier
[17:35] <theblazehen> ok
[17:35] <griffin_> Anyone here use smoothwall?
[17:47] <theblazehen> griffin_, appears that ubuntu release is daily - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[17:58] <magespawn> evening all
[17:58] <griffin_> hi magespawn
[17:59] <magespawn> hey
[18:01] <ironscf> I am still fumbling around so just observing tonight
[18:01] <theblazehen> ironscf, you new?
[18:02]  * magespawn is busy reading 'A Guide to SQL'
[18:02] <ironscf> newbie on irc for sure
[18:02] <magespawn> welcome then ironscf
[18:02] <theblazehen> Welcome :)
[18:03] <theblazehen> hi grantw
[18:04] <magespawn> Kilos: ping
[18:04] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:05] <magespawn> hey Kilos new peeps
[18:05] <Kilos> hi ironscf
[18:05] <Kilos> welcpome to ubuntu-za
[18:06] <magespawn> ironscf completely new to irc?
[18:06] <Kilos> ironscf: what you fumbling with
[18:06] <ironscf> Thx I need to learn how this meeting works. I did see the agenda
[18:07] <magespawn> the meeting is only monthly next one 18 th of march
[18:07] <Kilos> haha magespawn many more installs later kde is working and seeing 3g
[18:07] <Kilos> now im tempted to try unity again
[18:07] <theblazehen> Kilos, good luck
[18:08] <theblazehen> might want to stick with kubuntu base
[18:08] <ironscf> So I diarised the wrong date. Sorry.
[18:08] <Kilos> lol ty theblazehen
[18:08] <magespawn> Kilos: you going to wear out the hard drive or the cd
[18:08] <Kilos> ironscf:  you can visit here all the time not just at meets
[18:08] <magespawn> no problem ironscf, stick around and chat if you want
[18:09] <Kilos> np
[18:09] <Kilos> one of the 6 ya
[18:09] <theblazehen> magespawn, everyday i'm forced to boot off a cd - schools computers won't boot in USB2 mode so i need to use plop boot manager
[18:10] <Kilos> or maybe do what theblazehen suggested and install unity on a working kde
[18:10] <magespawn> theblazehen: no network boot available?
[18:10] <Kilos> aw that sucks theblazehen
[18:10] <theblazehen> Don't have access to DHCP. just a student
[18:11] <magespawn> which school? if i may ask.
[18:11] <theblazehen> http://southdownscollege.co.za
[18:11] <magespawn> are they running everything on windows?
[18:12] <theblazehen> Yea :( except the proxy
[18:12] <theblazehen> and the proxy blocks tar.gz files :/
[18:13] <theblazehen> magespawn, why?
[18:13] <magespawn> just wondering
[18:13] <theblazehen> ok
[18:13] <theblazehen> Don't know of any schools that run linux
[18:13] <magespawn> very hard to get schools off windows
[18:14] <theblazehen> yea. Last year i did a science expo on which linux DE is best, and some of the teachers I tested couldn't even use KDE and LXDE
[18:15] <magespawn> ppl get stuck in what they use
[18:16] <theblazehen> yea. However i often see dtories of conversion on reddit.com/r/linux
[18:16] <theblazehen> stories*
[18:16] <Kilos> never mind them theblazehen you are on the right track
[18:16] <Kilos> just spread the word to all the younguns
[18:16] <magespawn> one of my personal gripes is with teachers who do not want to learn new things
[18:16] <theblazehen> Thats what i'm doing :) bring me a usb and walk out with it loaded with mint
[18:17] <theblazehen> magespawn, I agree
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <magespawn> i use a 16 gb with a full ubuntu install for converting people
[18:17] <theblazehen> I should probably burn some mint DVD's. No offence to ubuntu but i think mint is more similar for the majority of people.
[18:18] <theblazehen> magespawn, nice :)
[18:18] <theblazehen> All my stuff is on a single 4 GB
[18:18] <theblazehen> no compression
[18:18] <magespawn> theblazehen: have you heard of scratch?
[18:18] <Kilos> magespawn: lots of them battle to keep up with what they know anyway
[18:18] <Kilos> the world is advancing in leaps and bounds
[18:18] <theblazehen> magespawn, heard of it but don't know much
[18:19] <theblazehen> Kilos, True, also my school is moving to windows 8 *shudder*
[18:19] <Kilos> b=bit B=byte
[18:19] <Kilos> thats sucks even worse magespawn
[18:19] <magespawn> sort of like a visual programming ide -ish
[18:19] <magespawn> brb
[18:20] <theblazehen> magespawn, OK. might look into it
[18:20] <ironscf> Good hunting all. I must quit.
[18:20] <theblazehen> magespawn, Don't really enjoy the visual languages myself though
[18:21] <magespawn> http://scratch.mit.edu/
[18:22] <theblazehen> looking now, Think i saw it installed on one pc.
[18:22] <Kilos> cheers ironscf call again anytime
[18:22] <Kilos> you didnt even tell us about yourself
[18:23] <theblazehen> looks quite easy
[18:24] <theblazehen> thinking of maybe teaching some of them with this : http://www.3drad.com/
[18:24] <theblazehen> windows only :(
[18:24] <magespawn> Kilos ironscf is a comlete new guy, even to irc
[18:25] <Kilos> ah
[18:26] <Kilos> good thing he found us then. lotsa peeps spend years on ubuntu and dont know about us
[18:26] <theblazehen> I only found it because i was looking for a relatively small chanell
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah the main ubuntu is rather hectic
[18:27] <theblazehen> yea
[18:27] <Kilos> and not as helpful to noobs
[18:28] <theblazehen> yep
[18:28] <Kilos> they kept giving me commands to try things but not one said use sudo
[18:28] <magespawn> i remember somemof the channels on Dalnet i used to go to, never less then 200 people
[18:28] <theblazehen> when in doubt add a sudo
[18:29] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:30] <magespawn> don't let the fly or the pro hear that
[18:30] <theblazehen> magespawn, the sudo thing ?
[18:30] <Tonberry> sudo make me a sandwich
[18:30] <theblazehen> Tonberry, Okay :(
[18:30] <magespawn> yup
[18:30] <theblazehen> lol
[18:30] <Kilos> yeah i know it now theblazehen but when starting i didnt even know there was such a thing
[18:30] <magespawn> lol
[18:31] <Kilos> the fly got me from the lists to here
[18:31] <Kilos> yo Tonberry
[18:31] <Squirm> evening
[18:31] <Tonberry> hi
[18:31] <theblazehen> Kilos, funny - when i wanted to get into linux i had no pc so i had to just read books and vnc into a chroot on my phone
[18:31] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:33] <Kilos> i had a p3 with no usbs or anything
[18:33] <Kilos> they battled to get me going
[18:33] <Kilos> and all my pcs are other peeps scrap or discards
[18:34] <theblazehen> Kilos, that sucks
[18:34] <Kilos> first p4 took a dive out of a second floor window and was then given to me for spares
[18:34] <theblazehen> currently on a dual core 1.6 GHz netbook
[18:34] <theblazehen> lol
[18:34] <Kilos> but i have learned stacks with the battling
[18:34] <Squirm> I've had my little dual core 2GHz desktop for good on 7 years
[18:34] <theblazehen> nice
[18:35] <theblazehen> Squirm, bet you never had to battle without video drivers
[18:35] <Squirm> though I did upgrade to 2Tb hdd space and claimed a 512mb gfx in place of payment
[18:35] <theblazehen> currently using xf86-video-fbdev
[18:35] <theblazehen> Squirm, payment for what?
[18:36] <Squirm> theblazehen: ever used an ati gfx?
[18:36] <theblazehen> Squirm, nope
[18:36] <theblazehen> ever use PowerVR?
[18:36] <Kilos> theblazehen: you like playing with linux distros hey?
[18:36] <theblazehen> I had to COMPILE the drivers!
[18:36] <Kilos> have a look at tinycorelinux
[18:36] <Squirm> theblazehen: I fixed someones pc, it sat at my house for about a year before I claimed it :/
[18:36] <theblazehen> theblazehen, jsut sticking with arch
[18:36] <Squirm> I was only contacted maybe 1.5 years later asking what happened to it :/
[18:36] <theblazehen> Kilos, That super small one?
[18:37] <theblazehen> Squirm, nice
[18:37] <theblazehen> magespawn, and the drivers only compile to a 3.2 kernel
[18:37] <Squirm> it's been hit by lightning since I've had it though. still works, quite a few things don't render well though
[18:37] <Squirm> in games
[18:37] <Kilos> yeah the one that runs from cd is 12 meg and the installable is 66 meg
[18:37] <theblazehen> that sucks
[18:38] <theblazehen> Kilos, Can't give up my current package manager ...
[18:38] <Kilos> only prob is you need cable internet till you can install mobile broadband
[18:38] <theblazehen> Also running xfce or lxde isn't too bad
[18:38] <magespawn> that can't work too well
[18:38] <theblazehen> magespawn, yea
[18:38] <Kilos> it will fit on a 1 or 2 gig stick
[18:39] <Kilos> i have it working on a 1.2gB drive
[18:39] <theblazehen> magespawn, removed the drivers and is now about 8 FPS on minetest
[18:39] <theblazehen> Kilos, nice - need good package manager though
[18:39] <theblazehen> magespawn, used to do about 40
[18:40] <theblazehen> magespawn, 2d is faster without the drivers
[18:41] <inetpro> uh
[18:41] <Kilos> it has everything
[18:41] <Kilos> just kinda raw.
[18:41] <Kilos> but very cute
[18:41] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[18:41] <inetpro> good evening
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm always here, what's up doc?
[18:42] <Kilos> i need some kde help
[18:42] <theblazehen> hi inetpro
[18:42] <Kilos> i installed so many times i eventually made it boot without asking for password
[18:42] <Kilos> now how do i get it to ask again
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:43] <theblazehen> Kilos, do you need password when you log onto a virtual terminal?
[18:43] <theblazehen> accidentally wiped /etc/shadow once...
[18:43] <theblazehen> perhaps look in the kdm config
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: system settings | login screen | convenience
[18:44] <Kilos> lees man
[18:44] <Kilos> hows things your side uncle
[18:44] <Kilos> no when i boot
[18:44] <Kilos> you know when grub boots and asks for password
[18:44] <Kilos> that one
[18:44] <inetpro> check that "Enable Auto-Login" is off
[18:44] <Kilos> ah
[18:45] <inetpro> off = unticked
[18:45] <Squirm> Kilos: that's a grub setting
[18:45] <Squirm> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:45] <Squirm> will have to find the flag though
[18:46] <inetpro> Squirm: I guess he means the kde login screen
[18:46] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. you know when grub boots and asks for password
[18:46] <inetpro> grub doesn't ask for password by default
[18:46] <inetpro> I dount that he ever had that enabled
[18:46] <Kilos> \ya that
[18:46] <inetpro> doubt
[18:47] <Kilos> done will see on reboot ty inetpro
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, it was ticked?
[18:47] <Kilos> the first time it asks for password thats what i mean
[18:47] <Squirm> :P
[18:47] <Kilos> there by the black/white counting dots
[18:47] <Kilos> ya
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: for the record, that has nothing to do with grub
[18:48] <Kilos> so now i have no unity anywhere
[18:48] <Kilos> oh ya its after grub menu
[18:48] <Kilos> forgive my ignorance
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: nice, now keep it that way and stop those regular re-installs
[18:49] <Kilos> you gonna help noobs on unity?
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: what noobs?
[18:50] <Kilos> and its not me that wants to install all the time man
[18:50] <inetpro> :-)
[18:50]  * Squirm lolz at Kilos using the word 'noobs'
[18:51] <Kilos> 2 kde installs today upgraded then hung at the counting screen after upgrading
[18:51] <Kilos> then in ctrl+alt+f2 aptitude removed packages with quantal in
[18:51] <Squirm> Kilos: do you have a seperate /home partition?
[18:51] <Kilos> like griffin_was a while back
[18:52] <Kilos> now he is helping other noobs already
[18:52] <Kilos> there was a new noob today
[18:52] <Kilos> yes
[18:52] <Kilos>   /, /boot, /home
[18:53] <Squirm> cool
[18:53] <Squirm> I usually just have / and /home
[18:54] <Squirm> real reason is just so I can format my OS without losing my data
[18:54] <Kilos> ah havent tried it that way yet
[18:54] <Squirm> ag, it'll save a few mb between / and /boot
[18:54] <Kilos> boot is tiny
[18:55] <Kilos> under i meg
[18:55] <theblazehen> Kilos, using grub?
[18:55] <Squirm> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[18:55] <Squirm> /dev/sda1        19G  4,3G   14G  25% /
[18:55] <Squirm> /dev/sdb1       917G  840G   31G  97% /media/disk2
[18:55] <Squirm> /dev/sda5       838G  777G   19G  98% /home
[18:55] <Kilos> i make it 2 gB just in case it grows
[18:55] <theblazehen> Kilos, my initramfs is larger tahn 1 MB
[18:56]  * inetpro uses a separate /data partition in stead of a separate /home
[18:56] <inetpro> in my /home/user I create a soft link to /data/my for all my data
[18:56] <Kilos> i will check and let you know tomorrow
[18:57] <Kilos> im sure boot section only uses about 550 meg
[18:57] <Kilos> i used to have a /storage but it died yesterday
[18:57] <Kilos> 80g drive too small for that too
[18:58] <Squirm> Kilos: in terminal, df -h
[18:58] <Kilos> my home is 32 gig
[18:58] <inetpro> /home/user/my -> /data/my
[18:58] <Kilos> 37 sorry
[18:58] <Squirm> my home is 777Gb, but it's got all my music and movies on. disk2 has my series and a few game ISO's
[18:59] <inetpro> when I re-install I always start with a clean /home folder and just copy across the specific configs and data from a previous version
[18:59] <inetpro> but that's just me
[18:59] <Kilos>   /dev/sdb7       1,9G   95M  1,7G   6% /boot
[18:59] <Kilos> see its tiny
[19:00] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. ag, it'll save a few mb between / and /boot
[19:00] <Kilos> thats a good idea inetpro
[19:00] <Squirm> see, that's 100Mb, when you could have saved 1.6Gb
[19:00] <Squirm> not much, just a little space
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro: konversation plings even when focussed
[19:01] <Kilos> quassel can take lessons
[19:01] <Kilos> still prefer bloep though
[19:01] <inetpro> ai!
[19:02] <Kilos> i found all the kde sounds in konversation now i wanna try drag/drop bell.ogg into there
[19:03] <Kilos> kde is for peeps that dont need hearing aids
[19:04] <Kilos> yeah Squirm i coulda made  /boot 500 meg
[19:05] <Kilos> or even smaller
[19:05] <magespawn> coming up for a reinstall on the one laptop
[19:06] <Kilos> dunno how to make maaz find 6 % of 2g
[19:09] <Squirm> 6% of 1G is 60mb
[19:09] <Squirm> so 6% of 2G is 120mb
[19:10] <Squirm> and it's there
[19:10] <Squirm> the 95M figure
[19:10] <Squirm> if you look at the top of df -h you will see headings
[19:10] <Squirm> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:15] <Kilos> too small to see that
[19:22] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:22] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[19:24] <Kilos> ok then night all. sleep tight
[19:25] <Squirm> night Kilos
[19:26] <Squirm> I feel like popcorn
[19:27]  * Squirm puts the pot on
[19:27] <magespawn> just felt like a disco here the power went off and on so quickly
[19:28] <magespawn> Squirm: what does popcorn feel like? all warm and crunchy?
[19:30] <Squirm> mmmm
[19:30] <Squirm> magespawn: on Friday, the power went off and on so quickly, my work machine stayed on(no UPS), but all the lab machines reset
[19:30] <Squirm> it did it 3 times within like 30min :(
[19:31] <magespawn> yoh
[19:31] <magespawn> madness
[19:31] <Squirm> the power in this town is horrendous
[19:31] <Squirm> dies 3 times today, longest one was 25min, the other 2 were about 5
[19:32] <griffin_> Squirm: Our power is so bad on a permanent basis that I had to install a 3000w inverter and 6 car batteries + solar panels just to continue working over a weekend
[19:33] <Squirm> wow...
[19:33] <Squirm> our inverter has..
[19:33] <Squirm> 8 car batteries
[19:34] <Squirm> no solar panels though, it's not that bad. though we've lain all the power cables to stick a geni in
[19:34] <magespawn> like Hluhluwe, the power goes off when gravity comes, or the sunshines, or it rains, or the wind blows or doesn't blow
[19:35] <griffin_> megaspawn lol. Power problems suck for so many different reasons
[19:35] <magespawn> from HawkiesZA on twitter http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/canonical-announce-custom-display-server-mir-not-wayland-not-x
[19:36] <magespawn> good for the pc repair business though
[19:36] <griffin_> Not when it's my pc that needs repairing.....
[19:39] <magespawn> indeed
[19:39] <Squirm> phew, enough aromat
[19:40] <Squirm> griffin_: 'tis when you invest in a small UPS
[19:42] <griffin_> Squirm: I've got 4 on line ups'es but they can only handle so much
[19:42] <Squirm> just to kill the surges
[19:50] <magespawn> surge arresting plugs
[20:07] <magespawn> good night all
[20:10] <griffin_> cheerz magespawn
[20:52] <Trixar_za> I must come here earlier


[11:49] <mdz> can anyone tell me where to find MootBot output?
[11:49] <mdz> it didn't give me a URL, and the old location of http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ is 403
[11:50] <gnomefreak> mdz: last i heard it wasnt posting to server
[11:50] <gnomefreak> they were working on getting a server IIRC
[11:50] <mdz> gnomefreak: so there's no way to get the log?
[11:51] <Hobbsee> maybe it can go on the same server ubottu was supposed to eventually go to...
[11:51] <gnomefreak> mdz: i assume you are looking for minutes
[11:51] <gnomefreak> mdz: a couple weeks ago no there wasnt
[11:51] <gnomefreak> mdz: talk to seeker for most up to date info
[11:52] <mdz> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:52] <gnomefreak> mdz: no problem
[11:52] <mdz> I remember there was some shuffling around about the hosting, but I thought it was sorted
[19:46] <emgent> @schedule Rome
[23:37] <stgraber> @schedule UTC
[23:43] <nellery> @schedule PST
[23:43] <nellery> @schedule Vancouver


[01:07] <swiss> are most of the people that join this channel just here to bash on gnome?
[01:18] <darkxst> swiss, no, but we do get the odd basher
[08:05] <parin> darkxst: Hi, I'm trying to run ./configure --libdir=/opt/gnome/lib64 (I've set jhbuild to use /opt/gnome). It's giving me errors - Requested 'gtk+-3.0 >= 3.9.11' but version of GTK+ is 3.8.4
[08:05] <parin> GTK+ 3.8 is installed system-wide, but GTK+ 3.9 is installed in /opt/gnome
[08:06] <parin> still configure is not able to find it. How can I correct this ?
[08:06] <darkxst> jhbuild wraps a whole bunch of this into configure command
[08:06] <darkxst> just use jhbuild buildone mutter
[08:10] <darkxst> parin, Running ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode --prefix /opt/gnome --libdir /opt/gnome/lib64 --enable-compile-warnings=maximum --enable-compile-warnings=no
[08:10] <darkxst> is what jhbuild uses
[08:15] <darkxst> and it also runs './autogen.sh --prefix /opt/gnome --libdir '/opt/gnome/lib64' --enable-compile-warnings=maximum --enable-compile-warnings=no' prior to the configure
[08:16] <parin> darkxst: I'm running './configure' in the displayconfig code
[08:17] <darkxst> with the mutter configure script?
[08:17] <parin> yeah
[08:18] <darkxst> well you will absolutely need to add the --prefix bit
[08:18] <darkxst> and if at any stage you edit configure.ac, you will need to re-run autogen
[08:22] <parin> running ./autogen.sh --prefix=$(pwd)/bin --libdir '/opt/gnome/lib64' gives the same GTK+ 3.9 not found error
[08:26] <darkxst> should be --prefix /opt/gnome
[08:28] <parin> same error. 'jhbuild buildone mutter' worked successfully though
[08:29] <darkxst> just use that then!
[08:35] <parin> umm ... but the displayconfig code is in a different directory 'mutter-compiz'. I tried renaming it to 'mutter' and then running jhbuild, but it's giving a syntax error
[08:36] <parin> ./configure: line 3208: syntax error near unexpected token `0.34.90'
[08:36] <parin> ./configure: line 3208: `IT_PROG_INTLTOOL(0.34.90)'
[08:41] <darkxst> hmm did you copy the other files in root folder? m4 files, libtool etc?
[08:41] <parin> okay, it's done
[08:41] <parin> ./autogen.sh and ./configure ran successfully
[08:42] <parin> the error was gone when I ran the same command through jhbuild shell
[08:44] <darkxst> ok
[09:02] <Uallas> Good Morning
[13:41] <parin> darkxst: I'm stuck at the MetaDisplay struct in monitor-xrandr.c It is used in 7 functions in the file, and it has a LOT of meta dependencies - MetaScreen, MetaWindow, MetaTabPopup, MetaTilePreview etc. What should I do with it ?
[13:56] <nodie> hello
[13:56] <nodie> I've a problem with my gnome and ubuntu
[13:56] <nodie> for some reason I cannot find the mouse cursor disappears when I pass over non GTK windows
[13:56] <nodie> a very annoying problem
[13:57] <nodie> more over, if I launch from gdm/lightdm/kdm a wm like awesomewm for instance
[13:57] <nodie> the mouse cursor directly doesn't show
[13:57] <nodie> yet if I launch gnome-settings-daemon it appears when I pass over GTK windows
[13:57] <nodie> do you know about this problem? do you have any idea about what could be happening?
[17:01] <psanchez> Hello, how do I modify the settings of an online-account? More specifically, I successfully added an IMAP account, but forgot to add a user ID for outgoing mail. It seems to me that once I added the account these type of parameters can't be modified, and that the only way around is to remove and recreate the account.
[17:01] <Uallas> Hello World!
[19:30] <ernstp> Does gnome3-next depend on gnome3-staging? or the other way around? should I have both?
[19:30] <ernstp> that is for saucy
[19:33] <ernstp> brb!


[07:33] <rockman> help spread ubuntu thinks im japanese or chinese
[23:11] <hakimsheriff> Hey people


[07:23] <Unit193> awordnot: Hrm, so right click a panel plugin → remove, confirmation box seems a bit odd.  Without having looked into it, anything that can be done about that?
[07:31] <Unit193> (OK, that was a weird way to word that.  But I presume nothing can be done about that, at least not in a sane way.)
[21:20] <awordnot> Unit193: I'll look into that
[21:51] <Unit193> Might well be nothing you can do.
[22:12] <Unit193> Regardless, just switched to it and 4.15 on my main system, so thanks.


 I have it set up as a secondary DNS server for my home network, but now I can't resolve some other websites when I'm surfing the web or doing other stuff, any suggestions on why this might be happening?
[07:37] <Pumpernickel> necrite_: Zombied processes don't die.
[08:03] <necrite_> Pumpernickel,  7370 ?


[00:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: found the error why could register the NC. The CLC didn't copy the certs to the CC. So I had to copy them manually and it worked


[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[10:32] <quack1> Hi ! Is there someone working on the french translation of xUbuntu here ?
[10:36] <YoBoY> quack1, hi, the french translation of "xubuntu" is done by the same team as ubuntu
[10:38] <quack1> YoBoY: Ok, I find a typo in it, is there some kind of bug-tracker somewhere, so it could be fixed ?
[10:38] <quack1> YoBoY: I'm too lazy to start a hole translation environment just to fix it ;)
[10:38] <YoBoY> it depends on where you find the typo
[10:39] <YoBoY> translation is a big aggregation of different projects
[10:40] <YoBoY> some parts are translated by the ubuntu french translation team, some others by the french translation teams of the related project (for example, xfce is not translated by the ubuntu team)
[10:40] <quack1> I wonder if it's actually in Ubuntu or just in Xfce
[10:40] <quack1> It's in the top right panel, near the "shutdown" button
[10:40] <quack1> actually, the typo is in the translation of the "sleep" label
[10:41] <YoBoY> (i'm not using xfce ;) can't help finding the right project)
[10:42] <YoBoY> but wait, I'll try to find the page listing all the packages translated by the ubuntu french team
[10:42] <quack1> ok, thanks for your help :)
[10:45] <YoBoY> the list we use in french : https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ubuntu-l10n-fr/utopic
[10:45] <YoBoY> the portal for ubuntu translation : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations
[10:46] <YoBoY> lot to read, but you have some clues to find your typo :)
[10:46] <YoBoY> bonne chance :)
[10:48] <quack1> YoBoY: Thank you for this, I think I will find my way to the good one in this page :)
[10:48] <YoBoY> by the way, for more help, use the ubuntu-fr-l10n mailing list : https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-fr-l10n
[10:48] <quack1> Merci ! :p


[09:07] <adrian_> does anyone know how to change the mouse cursor size? the settings don't apply system wide
[13:55] <Bernhard_L> Where is ardour logfile? I tried to export a session, but export broke at the end of input.
[13:56] <Bernhard_L> Used rakarack in the line.
[15:32] <Bernhard_L> Cannot export with ardour 3.
[15:32] <Bernhard_L> Export stopped unexpected: Eception thrown by audiographer:: silence trimmer <float> process () after reacting end of input
[15:32] <Bernhard_L> What does this mean to you?
[15:33] <cfhowlett> Bernhard_L, best to ask the the ardour or opensourcemusicians channel for such detailed feedback
[15:49] <Bernhard_L> cfhowlett, I'll try. thx.
[22:59] <suoy> Hi, someone can help me pls? I have a problem with the screen resolutions
[23:06] <suoy> I have a TFT default Screen resolutions about 1920 x 1080... But the highest ammount of Pixels are just 1024 x 768
[23:06] <suoy> So i tried to type in a --newmod in xrandr by myself
[23:07] <suoy> but... it doesnt seems to work. All i get is an error massage "Failed to get size of gamma for output default


[15:04] <tomreyn> !mtrr Memory Type Range Registers is a way for mainboard firmware to tell the operating system how to cache which ranges of physical memory. If your log says "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value": http://web.archive.org/web/20190904223631/http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html
[15:13] <tomreyn> !mtrr is Memory Type Range Registers (MTRR) is a way for a CPU to inform the operating system which ranges of physical memory should be cached by it, and how. If your log says "mtrr_cleanup: can not find optimal value": http://web.archive.org/web/20190904223631/http://my-fuzzy-logic.de/blog/index.php?/archives/41-Solving-linux-MTRR-problems.html


[03:15] <wendar> ajmitch: I've sent out messages to all the devs with apps published in Oneiric about the upcoming update to Precise
[03:17] <ajmitch> wendar: excellent, thanks


[00:32] <jeeves_moss> how can I set up spamassisan to learn what is spam/ham and move e-mails as they come in to the proper folders?
[00:37] <SpamapS> jeeves_moss: I believe it has an auto_learn option that will help it classify the spam in the future.
[00:38] <SpamapS> jeeves_moss: spamassassin isn't a delivery agent though, so you have to have procmail/maildrop/sieve do the folder selection based on spamassassin's headers
[00:43] <ascheel> startup question.  How does upstart affect the execution order of scripts in /etc/rc?.d ?
[00:43] <ascheel> How does Ubuntu differ in how the startup scripts are executed from Debian?
[00:45] <jeeves_moss> some of the start up scripts (like Samba) have been moved to Upstart, but for the most part, they're still in /etc/init.d/
[00:46] <ascheel> jeeves_moss: I understand that, but I was wondering about the execution order.  I was told init.d scripts just get executed as a group once upstart completes.
[01:49] <MTecknology> How can I have midori open over ssh with -X?
[01:49] <MTecknology> I'm trying to run midori from a server...
[01:53] <persia> MTecknology, Does `ssh -nfX $HOST midori` not work?
[01:54] <MTecknology> persia: nope
[01:54] <MTecknology> Midori - Cannot open display:
[01:56] <persia> How about `ssh -X $HOST`, then `midori &` on the host?
[01:56] <MTecknology> same thing
[01:57] <persia> Right.  Can your ssh target host find your display host over the network?
[01:57] <MTecknology> doesn't seem like it..
[01:58] <MTecknology> I tried export DISPLAY=:1 and DISPLAY=:0
[01:59] <MTecknology> maybe i'll see if i can have better luck with firefox
[01:59] <MTecknology> nope
[01:59] <persia> I'd recommend instead trying to get xterm to work, or something else similarly simple as a test case.
[02:01] <MTecknology> persia: what should DISPLAY be set to?
[02:02] <persia> It should autoset: it gets different values.  Probably something like "localhost:${X}.0"
[02:02] <MTecknology> it doesn't get set to anything
[02:03] <persia> In a quick test I just ran, X was 10 for one combination of hosts, but it's not reliable.  You can look at the output of `netstat -ntl` to see on which port things are listening, for "localhost:10.0", I had a new listener on port 6010
[02:05] <MTecknology> i wonder if i'm missing something I need to make it work...
[02:07] <MTecknology> this sucks... i have no reason to run the app on my server other than needing to access the site from that ip and only a javascript supporting browser will work
[02:10] <MTecknology> I wonder if I could proxy that URL through my server......
[02:13] <twb> :10 is just because ssh -X starts from there
[02:13] <twb> It doesn't have to, and if you have >1 it will increase
[02:19] <MTecknology> I'm trying to have my web server proxy the browser request so it looks like it's coming from that system
[02:20] <persia> twb, Is there an ssh argument that lets you force it to a specific higher value, or is it always counting from 10?
[02:24] <MTecknology> eh... trying to proxy like that isn't going to work
[02:24] <MTecknology> why can't this site just support non-javascript browsing?
[02:25] <MTecknology> I get a redirect loop when trying to proxy the requests
[02:25] <twb> persia: not sure
[02:25] <twb> persia: I don't recall one
[02:27] <greppy> MTecknology: does your ssh daemon on the server allow X11 forwarding?
[02:28] <MTecknology> greppy: as far as i can tell, ya
[02:28] <persia> I suppose one could do something with -R, but I don't see anything in the manpage.
[02:28] <twb> persia: ssh -X also does MIT cookie dance with xauth(1)
[02:28] <twb> MTecknology: is xauth installed on both ends?
[02:29] <greppy> MTecknology: do you have an X11 server running on your client machine?
[02:30] <MTecknology> AH!
[02:30] <MTecknology> missing xauth
[02:30] <MTecknology> now for the fun... waiting for all the traffic
[02:31] <persia> twb, Looks like it does an extra hack & proxy, with different key matter on each machine when dancing too.  That's kinda nifty.
[02:32] <twb> The xauth dance is normal for remote X
[02:32] <MTecknology> aahhh.... segfault after midori loaded
[02:32] <twb> MTecknology: read /usr/share/bug/midori/presubj
[02:33] <twb> (Unfortunately Ubuntu users don't see that, because they use stupid apport instead of reportbug :-////)
[02:33] <MTecknology> i don't have either of those apps installed :P
[02:33] <MTecknology> firefox seems to be working with xauth installed too
[02:34] <MTecknology> couldn't be too much slower - but it's working :)
[02:34] <persia> twb, The issue is more that apport is overly intelligent, but doesn't collect reportbug data.  There's entire libraries of support hooks, etc. which are completely different.
[02:34] <twb> persia: well, I also hate that apport works by firing up a browser
[02:35] <ScottK> It can also just hand you a url.
[02:35] <persia> Shouldn't do that on servers by default: it should just prepare some data and instruct one to open a browser (potentially somewhere else).
[02:35] <ScottK> IIRC that's was apport-cli does.
[02:36] <twb> ScottK: but if you're on a prison server, and you don't have access to the internet, you can't just have it collect information and generate a message ready for me to manually copy out and pass straight to sendmail(8) on a networked machine
[02:36] <persia> ScottK, I thought it offered the choice of trying with sensible-browser *OR* exiting so you could use a browser somewhere else.
[02:36] <ScottK> It may.
[02:36] <twb> persia: last time I looked it called w3m because that was the only browser installed
[02:36] <persia> twb, Yes you can: you just transport the .crash file to somewhere else, and process it htere.
[02:36] <twb> persia: and it did so AFTER trying to HTTP POST a binary blob of info
[02:36] <twb> persia: what .crash?
[02:37] <twb> persia: usually I'm running apport-bug by hand to report something like "frobozzd ignores --disable-ipv6 argument"
[02:37] <persia> The one in /var/crash that apport assembled (the aforementioned binary blob that needs be POSTed)
[02:37] <twb> persia: oh
[02:38] <twb> persia: see, I had no idea there was a /var/crash, though I read the apport manpages
[02:38] <persia> (you can use apport-retrace and related tools to unpack the blob if you're curious)
[02:38] <persia> Documentation bug: please run "ubuntu-bug apport" to report it.
[02:39] <twb> :-)
[02:39] <twb> IIRC the other problem I ran into (this was some time ago) was that the networked machine wasn't ubuntu, and I couldn't easily work out how to submit the blob with a "dumb" MTA or browser or so
[02:40] <twb> I guess the bottom line is that I liked reportbug, and I didn't see any need to throw it away
[03:05] <ScottK> The only problem is it doesn't report bugs to our bug tracker.
[03:05] <ScottK> When it used to 'work' it just sent mail to the ubuntu-users ML and depended on someone to report the bug by hand.
[03:06] <ScottK> That value of working is just useless.
[03:36] <MTecknology> facebook needs to die.... :(     I can't understand why people think it's a decent chat platform
[03:38] <SpaceBass> MTecknology, preach it!
[03:40] <MTecknology> SpaceBass: I'm trying to just ever so simply make bitlbee connect to facebook so I don't need to log into that ugly thing
[03:40] <MTecknology> !away > JasonnAWAY
[03:45] <littlebearz> MTecknology: lol, if my friends wanted to talk to me, they usually just go to my website and it have a chat thingy
[03:56] <twb> ScottK: yeah, I realize that
[03:56] <twb> ScottK: but that's because you first replaced debbugs with LP :P
[03:56] <ScottK> Actually it was bugzilla first.
[04:08] <lifeless> twb: Ubuntu never used debbugs
[05:53] <zedd> Hello!
[05:53] <zedd> Is anyone here?
[05:58] <twb> no
[05:58] <twb> !anyone
[06:17] <flowbee> when apache is installed; does it auto start @ boot?
[06:19] <jmarsden> flowbee: (1) Try it and see. (2) Yes.  The huge majority of daemons are packaged so that if you install them, they will be run by default.
[06:19] <flowbee> probably a dumb question; but is mysql-server running locally on my web server needed if i'm connecting to a remote mysql server
[06:20] <littlebearz> flowbee: depends on you, but i usually keep it running as I sync data so incase the remote get corrupted, local can take over
[06:20] <jmarsden> flowbee: It's not needed, but having it around might be smart.
[06:21] <flowbee> i see
[06:21] <flowbee> is there a way to keep it installed but disable it from startup
[06:21] <flowbee> so it doesnt autostart?
[06:21] <littlebearz> in /etc/init.d
[06:22] <flowbee> well i realize the init script is there; just dont know how to disable it on startup
[06:23] <twb> update-rc.d foo --disable
[06:23] <flowbee> thank you
[06:23] <twb> make that update-rc.d foo disable
[06:30] <flowbee>  System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/mysql do not exist.
[06:31] <twb> not my problem
[06:31] <flowbee> haha ;)
[06:31] <julian_c> MySQL is now an Upstart job.
[06:31] <julian_c> !upstart
[06:31] <flowbee> ok how do i have upstart not start up mysql on startup
[06:32] <flowbee> this looks good: http://anonir.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/ubuntu-lucid-disable-services-from-starting-during-boot/
[06:33] <flowbee> so much to learn ; every day :)
[06:34] <julian_c> Upstart only makes things easier and more flexible to manage.
[06:34] <julian_c> Not every service has been converted to use Upstart...
[06:39] <flowbee> so it seems even after doing: udpate-rc.d /etc/init.d/apache2 enable;  that apache2 is not starting up when i boot up ubuntu 10.04 lts server.  and yes if i do it manually: "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start" it works great
[06:42] <twb> julian_c: ahahaha
[06:42] <twb> julian_c: if by "flexible" you mean bugger-all debugging, zero determinism and cyclic dependencies
[06:45] <julian_c> Didn't say it was perfect yet (esp. Lucid).
[06:46] <flowbee> hi folks i think i've royally messed up apache2 on startup up...
[06:46] <flowbee> i found out i need to pass defaults instead of enable
[06:46] <flowbee> sudo update-rc.d apache2 defaults  [06:46] <flowbee> how do i fix my evilness
[06:46] <twb> The vast majority of problems I've had with Ubuntu has been NM and upstart
[06:47] <twb> flowbee: pastebin "find /etc/rc?.d/ -ls"
[06:50] <flowbee> twb, https://gist.github.com/994712
[07:54] <klzk> Hello all, I want to let my machines connect to ipv6 using a tunnel that i created on my ubuntu-server. I followed some guides but im stuck now. My machines in my network do get IP's from radvd but they can't ping outside addresses. Anything I should look at?
[11:06] <ghostcube> hi folks, ubuntu server 10.04 lts keeps telling edac mc0 errors anything more known about this prob?
[11:27] <drunkyduck> Hey there guys
[11:28] <drunkyduck> I am newb when it comes to this. I have an VPS and my site on it. I was wondering if someone can tell me how can I run 2 sites from my VPS (Ubuntu 10.04) ? Can someone tell me this, please? Thanks!
[11:34] <twister004> hi guys... i have ubuntu 10.04 LTS installed on my aces aspire netbook.... After installing pdfedit, the touchpad is behaving erratically.... when I move the cursor, it drags showing a trailing line.... do you guys think that installing synaptics touchpad drivers will help?... please advise
[11:57] <reisi> twister004: sounds more like that you have "stuck" button, or the button raise event was lost, unless if you already tried pressing the left button?
[12:06] <twister004> reisi... there's no issues with the button... it's something at the application level
[12:07] <twister004> scrolling on the touchpad has stopped.... the touchpad functions... but the cursor movement leaves a trail
[12:18] <soren> twister004: This channel is about Ubuntu Server. You might have better luck in #ubuntu.
[12:20] <drunkyduck> I asked a question about Ubuntu VPS server, but it seams everyone is too lazy to help a noob like me :)
[12:21] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: yes, all of the unpaid volunteers are too lazy to help you.
[12:21] <pmatulis> heh
[12:22] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: you can create a new apache config in /etc/apache2/sites-available (check out the default site for inspiration)
[12:22] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: then when its ready, man a2ensite
[12:22] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: you'll also want to look up information on apache virtual hosting
[12:23] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: (lucky for you I am a paid employee and an insomniac, so I can help you. :)
[12:23] <drunkyduck> lol :)
[12:23] <drunkyduck> Thanks SpamapS, I already researched before I came here. I wasn't researching only today but last few weeks. This channel was my last chance to find help.
[12:24] <drunkyduck> I have a step-by-step guide which I use everytime I install my site on unmanaged VPS and it works. But I cannnot afford it to have 3 sites on 3 separated VPS just because I don't know how to set all 3 on one VPS :)
[12:24] <drunkyduck> thats I'm trying to learn that.
[12:25] <aljosa> i've heard that on ubuntu 11.04 some folders are moved and that PIL (python imaging library) can't find jpeg/zlib when compiled. any ideas what changed?
[12:26] <SpamapS> aljosa: multiarch
[12:27] <drunkyduck> Thanks again SpamapS, I will try to look for that sites-available and see if I can figureout something !
[12:27] <SpamapS> aljosa: means PIL is not looking in the right places for the libraries most likely.
[12:28] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz should help
[12:28] <pookey> hi all - I want to remove all desktop components and end up with something like ubuntu server - trying to remove ubuntu-desktop gnome* xserver* still leaves a lof of things, such as compiz and it's attemping to install a lot of libqt things
[12:28] <pookey> what is the best way to remove all the desktop parts?
[12:28] <drunkyduck> does that apply for Ubuntu? I know that Ubuntu is buited on debian.
[12:41] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: yes
[12:42] <drunkyduck> thanks. I will download that file and see whats inside it.
[12:42] <SpamapS> it should be README.Package but c'est la vie, when Debian was created, derivitives weren't really considered.
[12:42] <SpamapS> its just a text file
[12:42] <SpamapS> less /path/to/it
[12:42] <drunkyduck> I tried to open it with 'nano' but its empty
[12:42] <drunkyduck> so I figureout it must be some archive
[12:44] <SpamapS> its .gz, zless /path/to/it
[12:46] <drunkyduck> ah, its open. THANKS SpamapS. I guess zless is something that reads *.gz type of files?
[12:48] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: .gz is just compressed with gzip ... zless runs less and gzip in a smart way to uncompress the file
[12:49] <SpamapS> drunkyduck: less is a text file viewer
[12:49] <drunkyduck> I understand. thanks!
[14:15] <ivoks> feature idea: do-release-upgrade should poke a hole in iptables for port it opens during upgrade :)
[14:27] <nerdshell> I'm a real Noby, does ubuntu server have a GUI?
[14:27] <_ruben> no
[14:28] <nerdshell> okay, thanks a lot.
[14:28] <nerdshell> actually, what is different about ubuntu server, I mean, in comparison with ubuntu desktop ?
[14:28] <_ruben> different kernel, lack of gui, etc
[14:28] <ascheel> different set of installed apps, no GUI, slightly different kernel designed around a server environment vs desktop
[14:28] <patdk-wk> ubuntu desktop has a gui :)
[14:30] <nerdshell> I'm planing to have my own, ftp server, is Ubuntu server suitable ?
[14:31] <_ruben> sure
[14:31] <nerdshell> ok, what about documentation, as good as ubuntu desktop ?
[14:32] <_ruben> guess so, there's the server guide which should be a decent starting point
[14:34] <nerdshell> okay, what's different between having an ubuntu desktop server, or fedora, or Arch, or whatever, there's something special with ubuntu ?
[14:35] <pmatulis> the community is special, thank you, thank you
[14:35] <nerdshell> pmatulis: yes, that's true, at least with ubuntu desktop, guess it's the same with server
[14:36] <_ruben> "ubuntu desktop server" .. sounds a bit like a contradiction
[14:36] <pmatulis> nerdshell: ubuntu has the LTS release which is typically geared towards servers
[14:36] <pmatulis> !LTS | nerdshell
[14:38] <pmatulis> nerdshell: ubuntu server standard install is lean (garbage not installed) and does not have ports open
[14:39] <nerdshell> Hayeg
[14:40] <pmatulis> what?
[14:42] <Doonz> any screen experts here?
[14:43] <pmatulis> sigh, just ask your question
[14:44] <Doonz> ok when my server start up i have a process that is started in sscreen and then that screen session detaches. sometimes that process crashes. how do i redirect a script to restart that process in the original window
[14:47] <pmatulis> Doonz: you can try starting the original session with a tag (-S) and then having a cron job check every few minutes for that session and re-attach?
[14:47]  * RoAkSoAx recommends byobu
[14:47] <RoAkSoAx> :P
[14:48] <Pici> Doonz: Or write some sort of wrapper around the program that crashes that just re-runs it after it ends.
[14:48] <Doonz>  screen -d -m -S <-- thats whats in the script
[14:49] <Doonz> sorry im not a programmer
[14:51] <Doonz> so thats what that cord is for
[14:51] <Doonz> lol
[14:53] <Doonz> i think ive found what i need
[14:53] <Doonz> i beleive its the -X switch
[14:54] <Doonz> X   Send the specified command to a running screen  session.
[15:08] <bif001> I have a procmail problem. I want to copy mail from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:08] <bif001> to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>The following stanza in .procmailrc copies *all* mail
[15:08] <bif001> :0:
[15:23] <zul> autofs5 should die a firey death
[15:46] <Lcawte> Hi, my vhost in apache isn't working... my config - http://paste.ubuntu.com/613787/
[15:52] <shauno> Lcawte: what's not working? looks fine from here (but pointing to an empty directory)
[15:52] <Lcawte> shauno: the point is, that directory has stuff in
[15:53] <shauno> that would appear to be a problem then :)
[15:53] <shauno> have you restarted apache since you pointed it there?
[15:56] <Lcawte> shauno: multiple times including a full reboot (been like that for a week)
[15:56] <Lcawte> shauno: and the files are owned by www-data
[15:57] <shauno> ah; try DocumentRoot rather than ServerRoot
[15:57] <Lcawte> hmm, strange, always used documentroot :|
[15:58] <shauno> me too.  but you didn't in that paste
[15:58] <Lcawte> I meant I always use ServerRoot, but DocumentRoot fixed it ;D
[15:59] <Doonz> hey guys im trying to script something so that it will restart a process in an already established screen session. screen -X -m -S sessionid program   <-- is that correct?
[16:00] <maswan> Hm. Has anyone heard rumours from IBM about supporting lin_tape on ubuntu servers? or are our choices still rhel or aix (or solaris/sles/asianux, but I'm not counting those)
[16:00] <Lcawte> shauno: any knowledge of enabling mods? I moved the mod_rewrite.load or .conf into the enabled dir, but the rewrite doesn't seem to be working (its in a .htaccess)
[16:01] <Lcawte> shauno: (and yeah, I've restarted)
[16:02] <shauno> Lcawte: I believe that's the AllowOverride option.  I believe the default is None for any path that hasn't been explicitely stated
[16:02] <Lcawte> * Restarting web server apache2                                                apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[16:02] <Lcawte>  ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[16:05] <shauno> google would do better than me, because I don't know off-hand what options there are between 'none' and 'all'.  but I understand .htaccess is completely ignored if it's set to none
[16:08] <Lcawte> Fixed it :)
[16:24] <Lcawte> shauno: any idea about that server name error?
[16:24] <zul> smoser: ping
[16:25] <smoser> zul, here
[16:26] <zul> smoser: so when running cloud-init without ec2 how does that work?
[16:27] <smoser> you need to populate /var/lib/cloud/data/seed
[16:28] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/files/head:/doc/examples/seed/
[16:28] <shauno> Lcawte: it's not really a problem, it's just being pedantic.  it usually means /etc/hostname just has 'name' rather than 'name.domain.com'.  if 'host --fqdn' doesn't give you a fully qualified name, apache won't find it either
[16:28] <shauno> it doesn't actually prevent anything working tho; especially if you're using named vhosts for everything
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> zul: cobbler pathces 41_,42_,43_ are upstremable, however, I think we should not yet forward them cause we might have to improve some stuff there
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> argh s/not yet forward them/not forward them yet
[16:30] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Who is working on that?
[16:30] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: I wrote those patches, I'll take care of them
[16:31] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: cool.
[16:31] <zul> RoAkSoAx: ok...we can still update the upstream git tree when you are happy with them
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> zul: oh yeah we can just carry them over , and I'm pretty sure they will apply cleanly
[16:32] <RoAkSoAx> I'll take a look at thme next week
[16:32] <zul> oh they already have
[16:42] <Daviey> zul: were you planning on a new cobbler merge soon?
[16:42] <zul> yeah
[16:43] <zul> i would like to get into rhythm again that fridays is a new upload for cobbler/nova/glance/swift
[16:43] <Daviey> groovy
[16:43] <Daviey> Friday is POETS day.
[16:44] <zul> i like to call it captain insaneo day
[17:16] <hggdh> jamespage: do I have local login to the jenkins server?
[17:40] <Daviey> hggdh, jamespage is /away
[17:40] <hggdh> oh
[17:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[17:40] <hggdh> ah well. I will do it the hard way...
[17:41] <Daviey> hggdh, see if you do :)... ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[17:42] <hggdh> Daviey: Duh. Indeed I get in. How the hell did I forget 'ubuntu'?
[17:42] <hggdh> Daviey: thank you sir
[17:42] <Daviey> heh
[17:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: pong
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: hey I'm working on PowerNap second stage action when on PowerSave and wanted to get your opinion on something
[17:55] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[17:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: should the second stage be always active, or should we allow the user to decide wether thye want it or not?
[17:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: second stage would suspend/hibernate/poweroff the system?
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes
[17:56] <RoAkSoAx> in case of X seconds of inactivity when rtunning on powersave
[17:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: definitely don't enable that by default
[17:58] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: let the user opt into turning on 2nd stage
[17:58] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok, yes, giving it a second though I think it would be best
[18:00] <Daviey> (RoAkSoAx, would be good if that was a debconf option :)
[18:00] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: didn't think it that way
[18:01] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: but would be cool indeed
[18:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: what do you think setting other settings in debconf?, such as absent_seconds and action to take, or should we keep the ease of installation?
[18:02] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: strong +1
[18:02] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: well, let's say +1
[18:02] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: done right, it would be nice
[18:02] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: set it to low, then it is still nice and simples to install
[18:03] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: that just gave me an idea: Having different profiles/monitors and ask a question like "What monitors would you like to enable?" and options would be: "HTTP ProcessMonitor, SSH ProcessMonitor" with all default ports and stuff
[18:04] <RoAkSoAx> but maybe that's too much for debconf and we could rather add that to overwrite the default config
[18:04] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: cool.. yeah I think would be awesome to do the debconf
[18:25] <hallyn> zul: do you mind pushing an lxc version to oneiric for me, to fix the arm lxc-create bug?  It just adds the patch from stgraber.  debdiff is at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4-0ubuntu7.2.debdiff
[18:25] <hallyn> zul: btw, i asked for 0.7.4 (which i packaged) to be ptu into debian.  whenver that happens we can sync and drop a lot of our patches
[18:25] <hallyn> (then i can try and push lxcguest to debian :)
[18:26] <hallyn> zul: gotta run now, bbl.  fwiw, with the package built with that debdiff, i coudl lxc-create and lxc-start on arm - up to the point where it failed bc of missing kernel configs.
[18:35] <zul> hallyn_afk: cool will do it
[18:37] <Morphje> just a quick question just to be sure. Installing 10.04.2 with a 3ware 9750, but i cannot find any driver on the lsi site
[18:38] <Morphje> any suggestion on how to proceed ?
[18:39] <pr3nt1c3> I accidentally ran a chown -R while I was in /var as root
[18:39] <pr3nt1c3> !paste
[18:40] <pr3nt1c3> http://paste.ubuntu.com/613851/
[18:40] <pr3nt1c3> what needs changing back?
[20:00] <smoser> zul, you mind if i merge 'nut' ?
[20:00] <zul> smoser: be my guest
[20:12] <nimrod10> Is there a way to kill a process that has   DL in the ps status ?
[20:34] <Morphje> arghhhh just spend an hour and a half figuring out which 3ware driver to download and which ubuntu iso
[20:35] <Morphje> appearently LSI thinks that 10.04.2 has a 32-24 kernel instead of the 38-8 that it has
[20:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: what do you think... before taking ACTION in STAGE2, should we set the hardware back to original (pm-powersave false), or should we do that later, right after the machine wakes up from the second stage (such as waking up from a suspension/hibernation)
[20:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: doing an interview atm, ping you after
[20:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ok, enjoy ;)
[22:12] <hggdh> jamespage: if you happen to pass by... Jenkins seems dead on the water. Cannot even SSH into the server
[22:14] <ahasenack> smoser: around?
[22:14] <smoser> here
[22:14] <ahasenack> smoser: I noticed natty has a new hypervisor in the query interface on uec-images: hvm
[22:15] <ahasenack> I don't know since when, but I just noticed it today
[22:15] <ahasenack> smoser: anything in particular about using it? Or just selecting the AMI is enough?
[22:15] <smoser> those are cluster compute types
[22:15] <ahasenack> ah, for that über machine?
[22:15] <smoser> they can only be run with instance types cc.X
[22:16] <ahasenack> ah, cool, ok, got it
[22:16] <ahasenack> smoser: thanks