[07:21] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-seed:: platform.cosmic -> platform.disco @ http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=7570fbf6a630f11d0a42858179e719462e678efd (by Adam Conrad)
[07:25] <HeadlessHorseman> We've got a name!
[07:25] <HeadlessHorseman> ...The 70s called, they want it back.


[03:29] <`zillah> i
[03:30] <`zillah> am having ubuntu problems tonight  :(
[03:31] <DoubleB> Hello everybody
[03:31] <startrekker> hi
[03:31] <zillah> hi
[03:33] <DoubleB> make it so
[03:34] <startrekker> :)
[03:38] <DoubleB> startrekker, are you old school or a TNG guy?
[03:38] <zillah> what's everybody up to tonight?
[03:39] <startrekker> I like everything but the new one
[03:40] <startrekker> DS9 is the best imho
[03:40] <DoubleB> Watching Ice Road Truckers
[03:41] <startrekker> playing GTA4
[03:41] <DoubleB> yeah i liked DS9 also.
[03:43] <zillah> i can't get sound on a new laptop that i put ubuntu on  :(
[03:43] <startrekker> 10.10?
[03:43] <zillah> yeah
[03:44] <startrekker> Have you gotten all the updates?
[03:44] <zillah> not yet
[03:44] <DoubleB> hmm
[03:44] <zillah> i'll try that
[03:44] <startrekker> that fixed mine :)
[03:44] <zillah> i'm having problems installing windows 7 on here too
[03:45] <DoubleB> wow
[03:45] <startrekker> I usually put win7 on first then linux
[03:45] <DoubleB> step away from the laptop
[03:45] <zillah> if i install windows first, ubuntu doesn't see any partitions
[03:45] <DoubleB> that is the way MS made win7 so you can't install Linux :P
[03:46] <startrekker> I never had any problems doing both
[03:46] <startrekker> if you aren't playing games on m$ I'd suggest virtualbox
[03:46] <zillah> i installed osx 10.5 first...i think it did some weird things to the partition tables that window didn't correct
[03:47] <startrekker> oh hackintosh or actual mac
[03:47] <zillah> i may go that route
[03:47] <zillah> hackintosh
[03:47] <zillah> but i gave up, hardware support was a nightmare
[03:47] <startrekker> which kinda laptop?
[03:48] <zillah> acer aspire 7736z
[03:48] <DoubleB> download partition magic and fix the tables?
[03:48] <DoubleB> when did you buy that?
[03:48] <zillah> i didn't, it's a repair that hasn't been picked up for 3 months
[03:49] <zillah> i took the hard drive out and put another one in, i'm just going to use it and if they ever come back for it, i'll just put their drive back in
[03:49] <startrekker> funny
[03:49] <startrekker> I think I'll go pickup my laptop
[03:50] <startrekker> j/k
[03:50] <zillah> i have a desktop that i can't figure out what to do with either...it's been there almost 6 months i think
[03:50] <DoubleB> wow
[03:50] <startrekker> so how hard was it to get OSx on
[03:51] <zillah> easy, i used ipc prepatched iso
[03:51] <DoubleB> oh has biz picked up after the bolidays?
[03:51] <zillah> i installed 10.6 from a retail disc using a bootloader disc, but it wouldn't boot after the install
[03:52] <zillah> a little bit, but it's nothing like it was a couple months ago
[03:52] <DoubleB> just don't update it right? :P
[03:52] <zillah> right
[03:53] <zillah> i told jennifer tonight i need to just sell every computer i have and get a macbook lol
[03:53] <zillah> and just have mac os, win7, and ubuntu
[03:53] <zillah> :D
[03:53] <DoubleB> people will be bringing in their christmas cmputers infected with Norton Trail version on them soon enough :D
[03:53] <DoubleB> trial*
[03:54] <startrekker> Why can't they just sell clean computers
[03:54] <zillah> lol exactly
[03:54] <DoubleB> bloatware=$
[03:55] <startrekker> first thing I do is wipe it and put a clean os on :)
[03:56] <zillah> that's why restore discs=garbage
[03:56] <startrekker> at least apple doesn't bloatware their machines
[03:56] <DoubleB> heh
[03:56] <zillah> just bloated price tag  :P
[03:56] <DoubleB> yeah but soon they will have an app store. next we will be jailbreaking our macs :P
[03:57] <zillah> lol probably
[03:57] <startrekker> I saw somewhere a patent for a iPad Slider that looked pretty interesting
[03:58] <startrekker> if Steam would just make a linux client
[03:58] <zillah> i can't decide if i want to upgrade the mac mini to lion
[03:58] <zillah> it seems kinda slow already with snow leopard
[03:58] <DoubleB> maybe lion will run better
[03:59] <zillah> we're going to memphis on friday, want me to pick you up a copy of ilife?
[03:59] <zillah> so...what's the big deal with steam?  what does it do?
[04:00] <startrekker> its like itunes but for games
[04:00] <zillah> oh ok
[04:00] <startrekker> they have specials and you can get $50 games for 1.99 sometimes
[04:00] <zillah> that's cool
[04:01] <startrekker> they have a mac client
[04:01] <zillah> yeah, i've heard a lot of people talking about it
[04:01] <DoubleB> no iLife for me
[04:03] <zillah> i haven't played with it much...i did make a slideshow that was like 6 minutes long the other night and it took about 2 hours to render lol
[04:04] <az7> what is up all?
[04:04] <DoubleB> hey
[04:04] <zillah> hey az7
[04:05] <az7> yeah, steam needs to do a linux client
[04:06] <zillah> and there needs to be a linux netflix client  :)
[04:06] <az7> that'd be nice too.. screw silverlight btw
[04:06] <az7> well more DRM.. cause i think it works with the mono plugin.. but still
[04:06] <startrekker> html5 would be nice
[04:06] <az7> that would be pretty sweet
[04:06] <zillah> that's one of the reasons i want to be able to dual boot this laptop
[04:07] <az7> does it work in vmware or wine?
[04:07] <startrekker> haven
[04:07] <startrekker> t tried
[04:07] <DoubleB> I haz Roku and it runs linux so Where is my app for Ubuntu!
[04:07] <zillah> i've read where some people have gotten it to "sorta" work with wine
[04:08] <zillah> amen DoubleB
[04:08] <az7> i'll 2nd that
[04:10] <DoubleB> roku may pay licenses for h.264
[04:11] <zillah> wow, ubuntu 10.10 base install already has 200+ updates to download
[04:11] <startrekker> and I bet one of them fixes the sound issue
[04:11] <zillah> i hope so  :)
[04:11] <DoubleB> yay go 10mB centurylink!
[04:11] <DoubleB> Mb*
[04:12] <zillah> i just hope when i get ready to try to install win7 again i don't end up re-installing ubuntu too
[04:12] <zillah> yeah, it's been more like 0.10 Mb since xmas
[04:12] <startrekker> i'd do that first
[04:13] <zillah> i'll wait on win7 unless i really need it for something first
[04:13] <zillah> my desktop has a windows drive in it and i haven't ever booted to it lol
[04:13] <zillah> i forgot it was even in there until just the other day
[04:14] <DoubleB> did every one get xbox live for xmas or something? :P
[04:14] <zillah> lol probably
[04:14] <startrekker> I don't have an xbox but I want a kinect to play with
[04:14] <zillah> we know they aren't using Limewire :P
[04:15] <zillah> yeah, that would be cool
[04:15] <DoubleB> ha no now it is piratewire
[04:18] <zillah> grrrr it's moving at 50-80 kB/s
[04:19] <zillah> maybe i should notify them that i have an FCC router coming
[04:19] <DoubleB> >D
[04:20] <zillah> i still haven't gotten notice that it actually shipped though, i wonder if the FCC is going to drop the ball on this one too
[04:21] <DoubleB> LOL
[04:21] <zillah> i put in a change of address for my ham license when i moved a few years ago and it still hasn't gone through
[04:21] <DoubleB> It has a curse word filter
[04:21] <zillah> i think i've moved 5 more times since then
[04:21] <zillah> what does?
[04:22] <zillah> the router?
[04:22] <zillah> LOL
[04:22] <startrekker> i've always wanted to get a ham license
[04:22] <zillah> it's not too bad, you can get the entire question pool and read through it beforehand
[04:23] <startrekker> didn't they take out the morse code portion
[04:23] <zillah> and now you don't have to know morse code to get a general or amateur extra
[04:24] <DoubleB> if youi want your change of address you will have to rattle someone's cage
[04:24] <startrekker> how much is a decent radio setup?
[04:24] <zillah> yeah, before you could get a tech license with no code, but you couldn't use much outside of 2m
[04:24] <zillah> depends on what you're wanting to do with it
[04:25] <zillah> if you just want to talk on a local repeater you can good a good mobile for under $100 on ebay, then you just need some copper tubing for a j pole antenna and a good power supply
[04:25] <zillah> where are you located startrekker?
[04:25] <startrekker> conway
[04:26] <zillah> ah, you should be able to find lots of hams around you that would probably help you out
[04:26] <zillah> the guys up here gave me a couple tuners and antennas and stuff when i was starting out
[04:27] <zillah> i took my test at batesville on the ARRL field day
[04:27] <zillah> but then i joined the Lawrence County club since it was the closest to home
[04:30] <zillah> http://cgi.ebay.com/Icom-IC-25-2m-FM-transceiver-SN18848-/260717090562?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb3f31702
[04:30] <zillah> i have one of those, it was my first 2 meter
[04:31] <zillah> mine is the 25-A though, i think it's a little higher wattage
[04:32] <startrekker> doesn't ship to the US
[04:34] <zillah> yeah, i noticed that
[04:34] <startrekker> that kinda odd
[04:35] <zillah> he does if you sign a waiver it looks like
[04:37] <zillah> wow, there isn't near as much ham radio stuff on ebay anymore
[04:37] <zillah> http://cgi.ebay.com/Radio-Shack-HTX-252-cosmetically-beautiful-2m-144-/260717132764?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb3f3bbdc
[04:38] <zillah> that radio shack one is pretty cheap
[04:39] <zillah> if you have the money though i would go for something that is 2m/440, you might get a little more use out of that
[04:41] <startrekker> thanks for the advice
[04:41] <DoubleB> yeah I should become a ham it w ould have been great during the ice storm
[04:42] <startrekker> you able to pickup slow scan tv stations?
[04:43] <zillah> i've never tried, i don't have the equipment for it
[04:43] <zillah> brb reboot
[04:45] <DoubleB> it may not reboot :P
[04:46] <startrekker> whats the linux equiv of a blue screen of death
[04:48] <zillah> you rock...i have sound now
[04:49] <DoubleB> yay!
[04:49] <zillah> i'm not used to upgrades fixing things in linux lol
[04:49] <startrekker> when I first switched to 10.10 I had to get all the future releases to get sound working
[04:49] <startrekker> next time the updates fixed it
[04:50] <DoubleB> ubuntu is pretty good at that. updates have fixed video problems for me before
[04:50] <startrekker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/579300
[04:50] <zillah> i guess i'm still using 9 on the desktop
[04:52] <startrekker> i'm actually rocking fedora 14 right nwo
[04:52] <DoubleB> 10.4 on my eee pc. unity is to annoying for a small screen
[04:52] <startrekker> tried netbookremix?
[04:52] <startrekker> I had that one my 900a
[04:52] <zillah> i've only used fedora on servers
[04:53] <zillah> i think that's what he's talking about, it has the unity interface
[04:53] <DoubleB> yes that is what I am running now. the unity 10.10 panel gets in the way. needs quto hide
[04:53] <startrekker> i wanted to try something differnt
[04:53] <DoubleB> auto*
[04:54] <zillah> replace it with window maker  :)
[04:54] <zillah> looks good even at 640x480 lol
[04:54] <DoubleB> yeah or lxde
[04:54] <DoubleB> xfc
[04:54] <DoubleB> netbook 10.04 is fine for now
[04:55] <startrekker> isn't ubuntu going to unity across the board?
[04:55] <zillah> i think so, hopefully they'll improve on it a lot first
[04:55] <DoubleB> yes
[04:55] <zillah> i was pretty annoyed with it on a netbook too
[04:55] <DoubleB> all i want is auto hide of the panel dock thing
[04:56] <startrekker> I kinda liked it
[04:56] <DoubleB> then i could use unity
[04:56] <DoubleB> it was nice to look at great icons
[04:56] <startrekker> I didn't like having a windows program in the repo
[04:56] <zillah> i do think the panel takes up too much space, and on a netbook you don't have much to spare
[04:56] <DoubleB> purple
[04:56] <zillah> a windows program?
[04:57] <startrekker> progressquest
[04:57] <startrekker> it installs wine
[04:57] <zillah> ah
[04:57] <startrekker> (sudo apt-get install pq
[04:59] <startrekker> that kinda put me off a bit
[04:59] <startrekker> whats next have 8bit games install dosbox for you?
[04:59] <zillah> that is one of the oddest games i've ever seen
[05:00] <startrekker> true but having something that you can install through apt being a windows program seemed really really wrong to me
[05:00] <zillah> makes me wanna play nethack though :P
[05:02] <zillah> i agree about the windows thing though
[05:02] <DoubleB> sham wow!
[05:02] <startrekker> makes you say wow everytime
[05:03] <zillah> hey, my webcam even works  :)
[05:03] <DoubleB> kaboom cleans spaghetti out of the shower
[05:03] <zillah> LMAO
[05:03] <DoubleB> I think some logitechs do
[05:03] <startrekker> if you are eating spaghetti in the shower you've got a serious problem
[05:03] <zillah> LOL
[05:04] <DoubleB> not as bad as having sex in a vase
[05:06] <startrekker> with a working credit card you can pay for dvd codecs from fluendo
[05:08] <zillah> i can't remember what i used to use to watch dvds on linux
[05:10] <DoubleB> install libdvdcss2 and totem will do it
[05:10] <DoubleB> startrekker, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE_IcfYEH4o
[05:10] <zillah> yeah, that's probably what i was using
[05:11] <zillah> i just want a good DLNA client for linux
[05:11] <zillah> that would make me happy
[05:12] <startrekker> http://medibuntu.org/
[05:12] <DoubleB> what webcam do you have?
[05:13] <startrekker> that was great I'm sure you've all seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA
[05:14] <zillah> it's just the one that's built-in
[05:14] <zillah> lol yeah startrekker
[05:17] <startrekker> its been fun
[05:17] <zillah> heading out?
[05:17] <startrekker> yeah I've got a warm bowl of spaghetti in my bathtub calling my name
[05:17] <zillah> lmfao
[05:18] <DoubleB> >-D
[05:18] <zillah> before long i'm gonna head downstairs and look for that vase
[05:18] <zillah> :P
[05:18] <DoubleB> lmfao
[05:18] <zillah> nice meeting you startrekker
[05:18] <startrekker> and you


[06:26] <ara> morning all
[08:21] <davmor2> Morning All
[12:32]  * ara -> lunch
[13:01]  * davmor2 -> lunch
[13:57]  * fader_ grumbles about forgetting to set his nick manually.
[14:00] <ara> morning fader_
[14:01] <fader_> ara: Howdy!  How was your weekend?
[14:01] <ara> fader_, good, thanks! I went to my mom's, to visit her before going to dallas
[14:01] <ara> fader_, what about yours?
[14:03] <fader_> ara: Pretty decent.  I am finally starting to feel recovered from the release :)
[14:04] <ara> fader_, :)
[14:04] <ara> hey jsalisbury
[14:05] <jsalisbury> ara: hello
[14:06] <moustafa> fader_ Baguette!
[14:07] <fader_> moustafa: Jacques Cousteau!
[14:09] <moustafa> fader_ Hon! Hon!
[14:10] <davmor2> Morning fader_ you muppet
[14:11] <davmor2> morning moustafa
[14:11]  * moustafa imagined fader_ running around like Kermit
[14:11] <moustafa> morning davmor2
[14:11] <fader_> davmor2: Hey, how's life?
[14:11] <davmor2> moustafa: I was thinking more of him being hit by miss piggy ;)
[14:12] <moustafa> davmor2: So, we are in agreement that fader_ is Kermit%
[14:12] <davmor2> fader_: Sound as a pound, MIL is still in hospital, bird hates it's new cage life is great ;)
[14:13] <davmor2> moustafa: baggiesy animal
[14:13] <fader_> Heh, could be worse I guess
[14:13] <davmor2> fader_: yeah could be sound as a Candian dollar then I'd be shit out of luck ;)
[14:14] <cr3> ara: hi there, regarding your uds schedule email, how can I determine if you might be missing anything?
[14:14] <ara> cr3, go to http://summit.ubuntu.com and check the schedule :-)
[14:14] <davmor2> cr3: morning, use the force luke
[14:14] <fader_> davmor2: Ooh, low blow.  You realize you're outnumbered by North Americans at the moment, right?  (Only the US gets to pick on Canada.  Against everybody else we present a united front ;) )
[14:14] <ara> cr3, but I didn't find any lucid-qa-checkbox... kind of blueprint
[14:15] <ara> cr3, well, only one by sbeattie
[14:15] <fader_> ara: I know marjo and I discussed some checkbox-related topics but decided they didn't warrant a session of their own
[14:15] <moustafa> fader_ I was gonna say something about how you still have some recovering to do after the past eight years or so, but then I remembered that we're stuck with "W lite" as Prime Minister here...
[14:16] <fader_> ara: If there's enough interest maybe we should have a general checkbox session and lump all the smaller things into it?
[14:16] <davmor2> fader_: I'm in the 51st state :P
[14:16] <fader_> moustafa: :)
[14:16] <fader_> davmor2: You're not in Canada!
[14:16] <moustafa> davmor2: Alaskawahii?
[14:16] <davmor2> 51st not 52nd
[14:16] <ara> fader_, it sounds right
[14:17] <cr3> ara: glad you ask, I actually finished creating my blueprints late on Friday. I have a couple checkbox related ones, enhancements and reliability plus desktop experience tests
[14:18] <ara> cr3, can you pass me the urls, please? :)
[14:18] <cr3> ara: I don't think the first one warrants a session whereas I'm hoping the second one will hijack the desktop experience track
[14:18] <cr3> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/checkbox/+spec/lucid-qa-checkbox-desktop-experience-tests
[14:18] <cr3> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/checkbox/+spec/lucid-qa-checkbox-enhancements-and-reliability
[14:19] <ara> cr3, thanks
[14:19] <cr3> Robbie has also shown interest in the desktop experience session, but I think he'll survive if we have it as part of the desktop experience track
[14:25] <cr3> ara: by the way, is the blueprint lucid-qa-cert-managing-projects scheduled? I think that should be a closed session
[14:25] <ara> cr3, it is not yet, I had only scheduled those in ubuntu project
[14:26] <ara> cr3, I will schedule it as private
[14:29] <cr3> cgregan: ping, will you be attending UDS? if so, the above session is for you :)
[14:31] <cgregan> cr3: I will be attending.....so....cool!
[14:31] <cgregan> cr3: I have a wiki....to edit!
[14:31] <cgregan> :-)
[14:37] <davmor2> fader_: I forgot to ask did you persist with you KNE experiment or head back to the safety of gnome?
[14:42] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, went back to GNOME :/
[14:42] <davmor2> BGB
[14:42] <fader_> For some reason jockey didn't work right in KNE so I never had wifi
[14:43] <fader_> And KNE still needs a bit of polish in areas
[14:43] <davmor2> fader_: A bit?
[14:44] <fader_> davmor2: It has some interesting ideas, but still felt a bit disjoint
[14:45] <davmor2> Very True :)
[15:21] <davmor2> cr3: what have you done with moustafa you're not meant to flog till he can't type you know ;)
[15:34] <cr3> davmor2: still working out his limitations
[15:34] <davmor2> :D
[17:31] <davmor2> Right I'm off ttyl's
[22:00] <moustafa> cr3, davmor2, fader_ : Good evening all!
[22:01] <fader_> moustafa: nighty night!
[22:01] <moustafa> Oh, before I leave: Baguette stops the LHC! http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95971-Baguette-Shuts-Down-Large-Hadron-Collider


[01:21] <BUGabundo> night
[08:26] <LigH> Greetings.
[08:27] <LigH> Twitter requests personal information from my browser to detect its location. Is it possible to enter that anywhere in SeaMonkey's options dialog?
[15:50] <fta> jdstrand, mdeslaur: fyi, new security update of chromium 8 planed for ~tomorrow
[15:55] <jdstrand> fta: ack
[21:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you know beta 9 failed to build on natty, right?
[21:04] <micahg> same failure in the PPA, I have the bug somewhere
[21:06] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/xulrunner/xulrunner-2.0.head/revision/616 ;)
[21:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, there's a new bug for it, mozilla 623797
[21:06] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 623797 in Graphics "Build with system cairo is broken" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623797
[21:06] <micahg> ah, ok, my mail client keeps crashing ;_/
[21:06] <micahg> :-/
[21:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, so if I have time I should try to fix it properly?
[21:08] <fta> sound indicator still broken here, anyone else?
[21:41] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:01] <fta> BUGabundo, ola
[22:01] <BUGabundo> hey fta
[22:01] <fta> BUGabundo, does the sound indicator work for you?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:06] <fta> hm, mine has been broken since last week
[22:08] <BUGabundo> not here
[22:08] <BUGabundo> unity ? or classic?
[22:10] <fta> classic
[22:11] <fta> same on 3 computes
[22:11] <fta> c+r
[22:11] <fta> grr
[22:11] <fta> computers
[22:11] <BUGabundo> sorry can't help
[22:11] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I've been tracking natty bugs
[22:14] <fta> BUGabundo, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/sound-indicator-broken.png
[22:16] <BUGabundo> fta: maybe its sound card specific?
[22:16] <BUGabundo> try pavucontrol
[22:17] <fta> i should reboot.. but i'm worried about the nvidia driver
[22:17] <BUGabundo> ahaaha
[22:17] <BUGabundo> run LTS then
[22:19] <fta> BUGabundo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-common/+bug/698327 comment #3
[22:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 698327 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu) "[natty] /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common: line 8: [: too many arguments (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:19] <fta> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61840906/nvidia.png
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I have nvidia
[22:19] <BUGabundo> and reboot daily
[22:19] <BUGabundo> using nouveua
[22:43] <chrisccoulson> fta - i have your sound indicator problem today ;)
[22:43] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:01] <fta> chrisccoulson, good.. somehow ;)
[23:02] <fta> chrisccoulson, you're closer to the culprits than i am ;)
[23:07] <BUGabundo> fta: how the heck does chromium prints to PDF?
[23:09] <fta> ?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> I can't print
[23:16] <BUGabundo> says no PDF viewer is installed fta
[23:31] <fta> right
[23:32] <BUGabundo> any way to fix it ?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> already installed cups-pdf
[23:36] <fta> [11787:11787:609570304867:ERROR:print_backend_cups.cc(54)] Cannot load libgnutls.so
[23:36] <fta>  ??
[23:36] <BUGabundo> ahah
[23:37] <fta> no idea if it's causing it, but it's a bad sign


[02:43] <GeeXain> hey guys
[03:13] <dfarning> GeeXain, hello
[03:25] <GeeXain> hey d
[03:25] <GeeXain> got a question maybe you may be able to help me with
[03:25] <GeeXain> i have an OLPC laptop which i installed teapot's optimized version of Ubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid) on.
[03:26] <GeeXain> now what i would like to do is actually run some of the Sugar Activities/Apps on the Ubuntu end without emulation
[03:27] <dfarning> GeeXain, I can't really recommened any packages older than the one for maverick:(
[03:27] <GeeXain> ah
[03:28] <GeeXain> is there any tutorials that explain how to install one of these apps on my version of ubuntu?
[03:28] <GeeXain> even to test it out
[03:29] <GeeXain> i've bascially just trying to find out how to add the olpc sugar repository into my copy of ubuntu with no luck there either.
[03:30] <dfarning> you can use the iso at http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/
[03:31] <GeeXain> okay, thanks
[03:32] <dfarning> or if you are running ubuntu 10.10 install ubuntu-sugar-remix
[03:33] <GeeXain> yeah, i'll just have to wait till an optimized version of ubuntu 10.10 comes out for the OLPC
[03:33] <dfarning> GeeXain, if you need help with either of these please type dfarning  my computer will beep at me to get my attention.
[03:34] <dfarning> GeeXain, yes the XO1 and xo1.5 need some kernel patching to work correctly with ubuntu.
[03:38] <GeeXain> okay, lol, thanks
[03:38] <GeeXain> got to go
[15:02] <dipankar> alsroot, ping
[15:02] <alsroot> dipankar: hi
[15:03] <dipankar> alsroot, hi, I need your help in cutting short a function in python
[15:03] <alsroot> sure
[15:03] <dipankar> alsroot, just a minute, let me search the archive page
[15:04] <dipankar> alsroot, here: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-September/026664.html
[15:05] <dfarning> dipankar, text should wrap at 80 chars.
[15:05] <alsroot> dipankar: whats the problem?
[15:06] <dipankar> dfarning, alsroot : If I wrap the text in 80 characters, I hope it doesn't cause any problem
[15:06] <alsroot> dipankar: btw if you  remove timeout argument, you will get line shorter then 80 :)
[15:07] <dfarning> dipankar, it is a custom held over from when CRTs were 80 char wide....
[15:07] <dipankar> alsroot, I can't remove the timeout argument
[15:07]  * alsroot very happy to have 80 standard, I can see two files on the same screen
[15:08] <alsroot> ..split horizontally
[15:08] <dipankar> alsroot, heh. I also love my wide screen LCD monitor
[15:08] <alsroot> dipankar: but can you use socket._GLOBAL_DEFAULT_TIMEOUT directly?
[15:08] <dipankar> lets me see two files at a time too
[15:09]  * dfarning not that clever.... I use dual monitors.
[15:10] <alsroot> s/horizontally/vertically/
[15:11] <dipankar> alsroot, I think we can do that too
[15:11] <dipankar> set the time out in TimeoutHTTP
[15:12] <alsroot> dipankar: I guess silbe just meant that there is no need in setting timeout in runtime, having constant value is enough
[15:13] <dipankar> alsroot, ohk
[15:13] <alsroot> ..as python constant
[15:13] <dipankar> alsroot, I am changing the file and pasting it in a sec.
[15:15] <dipankar> alsroot, here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/490369/
[15:15] <dipankar> alsroot, line 40
[15:17] <alsroot> dipankar: if I got silbe right (which is also my own preference), just use REGISTER_TIMEOUT in 43
[15:17] <dipankar> alsroot, :) that will cause the line to exceed 80 char. Let me try
[15:21] <dipankar> alsroot, now? http://paste.ubuntu.com/490375/
[15:23] <alsroot> dipankar: it seems that you use \t char in patch, in python, it is important to use either space or tabs. Since all source use 4 spaces you need to follow this
[15:24] <dipankar> alsroot, I have used tabs.
[15:24] <alsroot> dipankar: just use pylint and pep8.py to check if everything is ok
[15:24] <alsroot> or http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Sugar_Lint, which does these all by one call
[15:30] <dipankar> alsroot, I think there is somthing wrong with the paste.ubuntu.com
[15:30] <dipankar> I have given tabs
[15:30] <dipankar> but it shows as long spaces
[15:31] <alsroot> dipankar: I mean you need to replace all tabs by 4 spaces, entirely sugar code follow this rule
[15:32] <dipankar> alsroot, ohk. I think I have set tabs to 4 spaces only :)
[15:32] <dipankar> yup: tab width set to 4 spaces
[15:37] <manusheel> kandarpk: Hi Kandarp.
[15:39] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: hello
[15:41] <manusheel> kandarpk: Kandarp, can you test Martin's patch at sugar-jhbuild?
[15:41] <dipankar> alsroot, now ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/490385/
[15:41] <manusheel> kandarpk: And, our patch too. Thank you.
[15:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: ok.
[15:41] <manusheel> kandarpk: First, our patch.
[15:41] <dipankar> alsroot, I removed all the tabs and put in 4 spaces
[15:43] <alsroot> dipankar: in other cases patch looks fine in my vision
[15:44] <dipankar> alsroot, 'other cases' ? :P
[15:44] <alsroot> ..the rest of patch
[15:52] <manusheel> kandarpk: Any help needed?
[15:53] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I think I accidently deleted the patch file while cloning the jhbuild yesterday
[15:55] <manusheel> kandarpk: Not an issue. You did send it for review. Isn't it?
[15:56] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes, using that
[15:56] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great.
[16:21] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: is it necessary to build jhbuild after making changes to test ?
[16:22] <kandarpk> it is taking around 20min
[16:24] <manusheel> kandarpk: Yes.
[16:40] <manusheel> kandarpk: Around?
[16:40] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: yes
[16:40] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did it work?
[16:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: analysing
[16:41] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: showing wierd behaviour
[16:43] <manusheel> kandarpk: Ok.
[16:43] <manusheel> kandarpk: Would you like to touch base with tch on it?
[16:43] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you join #olpc-paraguay?
[16:44] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: not sure how to ask
[16:44] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: give me 5 min.
[16:45] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[16:53] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: tch has uploaded a new patch with changes suggested by silbe after reviewing patch submitted by us
[16:56] <manusheel> Ok. Can you apply that patch and see if that works.
[16:56] <manusheel> kandarpk: We can talk to tch about it.
[16:57] <manusheel> kandarpk: I am not sure whether his patch works or not.
[16:57] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: it is almost identical to the one we have made
[16:57] <kandarpk> his patch should work
[16:58] <manusheel> kandarpk: Cannot guarantee.
[16:58] <manusheel> kandarpk: It has been revised 3 times.
[16:58] <manusheel> kandarpk: I hope it works.
[16:58] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: what should we do ?
[16:59] <manusheel> kandarpk: Is the patch that we made worked?
[16:59] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: almost
[16:59] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: for user activities
[17:00] <manusheel> kandarpk: Great. Did you add description and one-line summary for the patch?
[17:00] <kandarpk> instead of hiding the Erase option, it isn't showing any option on right clicking on the activity icon
[17:01] <manusheel> kandarpk: Any idea on how we can resolve it?
[17:02] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: let me browse through the log files
[17:03] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[17:07] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: there was an error in my patch
[17:07] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: building again
[17:07] <ishan> kandarpk, alsroot: I ran jhbuild build command  but now its rebuilding the telepathy elements as well
[17:07] <ishan> is there a problem?
[17:08] <kandarpk> ishan: it does on my system too
[17:08] <ishan> kandarpk, it was not doing before
[17:08] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: shall I directly try the patch submitted by tch ?
[17:08] <manusheel> alsroot: Is it an issue? ^^
[17:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: How about our patch?
[17:08] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did it work?
[17:09] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: I'll need to build again
[17:09] <alsroot> manusheel: not sure (I don't use jhbuid), but in anycase it would be useful to build custom tp
[17:09] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure, you can try his patch too.
[17:09] <dfarning> kandarpk, something pretty handy is http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild#Using_ccache_to_speed_up_rebuilds
[17:10] <manusheel> alsroot: Should we open a feature request for the same?
[17:10] <dfarning> it caches builds so it speeds of the process of rebuilding pretty significantly.
[17:11] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok, thanks
[17:11] <alsroot> manusheel: ask silbe, maybe he has place about speed up jhbuild
[17:11] <alsroot> *plans
[17:12] <manusheel> alsroot: Is Silbe around today?
[17:13]  * alsroot knows nothing about his plans
[17:14] <ishan> alsroot, around?
[17:15] <manusheel> alsroot: Sure. Absolutely fine.
[17:15] <alsroot> ishan: you see :)
[17:15] <ishan> alsroot, check http://pastebin.com/Bb0HSkJx
[17:17] <alsroot> ishan: I guess sugar/src/jarabe/util is not git root directory
[17:17] <alsroot> ishan: btw for what reason you are trying to remove git local repo?
[17:18] <alsroot> .git direcotry should be in sugar/
[17:18] <ishan> alsroot, have to recreate a patch
[17:18] <alsroot> ishan: reimplement you mean?
[17:19] <alsroot> or recreate only patch file from git history?
[17:19] <ishan> alsroot, i^^
[17:20] <alsroot> ishan: did you commit your patch to local repo?
[17:20] <ishan> alsroot, no
[17:20] <ishan> alsroot, did you mean the patch file made earlier?
[17:21] <alsroot> ishan: if I got you right, you: changed some files, committed them, need to recreate patch -- right ?
[17:21] <ishan> alsroot, right
[17:22] <alsroot> ishan: rollback git history by one commit(your prev. patch) by `git reset HEAD^`
[17:23] <ishan> alsroot, done
[17:23] <alsroot> ishan: so you see pristine git history with your prev patch in local (not committed) state, tweak it and commit once more
[17:23] <alsroot> s/with your prev patch/without your prev patch/
[17:24] <ishan> alsroot, thanks
[17:24] <alsroot> err.., ok you got it :)
[17:24] <alsroot> *me
[17:25] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: our patch is working now
[17:25] <manusheel> kandarpk: Excellent.
[17:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Did you accomodate the points on description and one-line summary about which I had send in the e-mail?
[17:26] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: let me recheck
[17:26] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure.
[17:29] <kandarpk> manusheel sir: sent you the patch file, please have a look
[17:29] <manusheel> kandarpk: Sure. Definitely.
[17:29] <kandarpk> will be back in 15min.
[17:30] <manusheel> kandarpk: Can you re-send it to an alternate e-mail address?
[17:30] <manusheel> Didn't receive it.
[17:59] <manusheel> kandarpk: around?
[18:14] <ishan_> alsroot, around?
[18:14] <alsroot> ishan_: yup
[18:14] <ishan_> alsroot, for the http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/305
[18:15] <ishan_> i have made the changes in sugar-100.gtkrc
[18:15] <ishan_> but while making patch the git doesnt identifies .gtkrc files
[18:16] <ishan_> so if we add the file using git add -f sugar-100.gtkrc and commit and make patch
[18:16] <manusheel> mukul: Hi Mukul.
[18:16] <manusheel> Around?
[18:16] <ishan_> the whole file is present in the patch file
[18:16] <mukul> manusheel sir: Yes
[18:16] <alsroot> ishan_: there are no .gtkrc files in sources, these files are automatically generated from artwork/gtk/theme/gtkrc.em
[18:16] <mukul> manusheel sir: Did you check the reply to the SL #2300?
[18:16] <manusheel> mukul: Reading Silbe's reviews.
[18:16] <alsroot> ishan_: you need to patch this file
[18:17] <ishan_> alsroot, check http://pastebin.com/VE0TakJX
[18:17] <mukul> manusheel sir: Ok
[18:17] <ishan_> alsroot, can you guide me how?
[18:18] <alsroot> ishan_: it is regular text file, and similar to gtkrc files (I didn't code this part of sugar)
[18:19] <ishan_> alsroot, Is there anyway of creating patch which could just reflect the changes i made in the file instead of the whole file?
[18:19] <ishan_> whole file being added in the patch
[18:20] <mukul> ishan_, I would recommend you to do the whole process again. I guess you used rm -rf .git
[18:20] <ishan_> mukul, no
[18:20] <alsroot> ishan_: could you rephrase
[18:21] <alsroot> ishan_: all you need is making your changes in gtkrc.em file
[18:21] <ishan_> alsroot, i did that
[18:21] <alsroot> ..and build artwork
[18:21] <ishan_> alsroot, okay
[18:35] <ishan_> alsroot, do you know who wrote the .gtkrc file
[18:36] <alsroot> ishan_: nope, I just tweaked some values, nothing more
[18:36] <ishan_> alsroot, no problem
[18:39] <ishan_> disable the gallery again
[18:40] <ishan_> oops wrong message
[18:58] <lfaraone> manusheel: has neeraj had a chance to work on updating u-s-r?
[18:59] <manusheel> lfaraone: Neeraj has not been well recently. Let me check with him.
[18:59] <manusheel> lfaraone: He was working yesterday.
[19:00] <manusheel> lfaraone: He hasn't been around today.
[19:01] <manusheel> lfaraone: Neeraj is online right now.
[19:01] <manusheel> lfaraone: Asking him to join.
[19:01] <manusheel> neeraj: Hi Neeraj.
[19:01] <lfaraone> neeraj: can you update us on your progress with updating the -meta pacakge?
[19:02] <neeraj> manusheel sir, hi.
[19:04] <neeraj> lfaraone, i did uploaded the patch on the same day when david updated the seeds on usr.sugarlabs.
[19:07] <neeraj> oh.. I just opened the bug on lp and saw ur comment. Sorry I lost track of this bug. I was mainly looking on sugar--0.88 bugs :(.. will updated it in a min
[19:10] <lfaraone> neeraj: no worries.
[19:50] <neeraj> lfaraone, for adding report bug feature in ubuntu, we needed an icon. I downloaded bug-buddy icon from http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/svg-icons/lila/gnome/scalable/.
[19:51] <neeraj> I have modified the bug-buddy.svg file. I wanted to ask that do I need to add any copyright details for this icon?
[20:30] <neeraj> dfarning, apport should trigger sucrose-0.88 or sugar-0.88?
[20:33] <manusheel> neeraj: dfarning is not around right now.
[20:33] <neeraj> manusheel, ok.
[20:54] <dfarning> neeraj, pong
[20:55] <neeraj> dfarning, using sucrose-0.88.. fine?
[20:55] <dfarning> neeraj, yes
[20:56] <neeraj> lfaraone, when u come back, then please review the modified patch for bug 624592.
[20:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 624592 in ubuntu-sugar-remix-meta (Ubuntu) "request all packaged activities be installed by default on USR (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/624592
[21:20] <neeraj> dfarning, For report bug button-> http://i.imgur.com/Xt5CW.png and http://i.imgur.com/zJkB2.png.
[21:26] <dfarning> neeraj_, I would suggest not including the author and copy right information to the user in the control panel.  That is not something users care about.  Unless they are specifically looking at the about panel
[21:26] <dfarning> neeraj_, bug the bug icon is pretty cool!
[21:26] <dfarning> but the bug.....
[21:29] <neeraj_> dfarning, ok. Then I will remove the copyright information and will included Press Ok to continue only.
[21:29] <neeraj_> "Press Ok to continue"
[23:43] <neeraj_> alsroot, ping
[23:43] <alsroot> neeraj_: yup
[23:45] <neeraj_> alsroot, I was working on creating a patch for adding report bug feature in sugar on ubuntu. Now, the code is ready.
[23:45] <neeraj_> Now, I d/l the sugar-0.88 package and made changes http://paste.ubuntu.com/490595/
[23:47] <neeraj_> alsroot, the problem is that the new packages (read deb files) are not reflecting the changes properly, even though they are present in the debdfif file.
[23:48] <alsroot> neeraj_: sorry, you'd better to ask lfaraone, /me is not specialist in this case :)
[23:48] <neeraj_> The change in src/jarabe/controlpanel/gui.py if reflected in new python-sugar package, but the new file in sugar/data/icons and sugar/extensions are not present in sugar-session
[23:48] <neeraj_> alsroot, ok , np :)
[23:49] <lfaraone> neeraj_: well, you might need to explicitly install the file.
[23:50] <alsroot> neeraj_: I guess I know whats the problem, you need to tweak Makefile.am files as well
[23:51] <neeraj_> lfaraone, I did installed all files using *.deb. Also I opened the sugar-session*.deb file. The new files are not present there.
[23:51] <lfaraone> neeraj_: right, I mean install the file in the package, what alsroot was saying.
[23:54] <dfarning> lfaraone, when you get a chance can you please review moon.
[23:56] <lfaraone> dfarning: will do.
[23:57] <dfarning> lfaraone, thanks
[23:59] <neeraj_> lfaraone, Ok. I tried to look at makefile.in file. I must say I have not that kind of expertise in bash to make changes in file myself. Can you help me in making required changes in it?


[08:22] <TLE> dpm: Good morning
[08:57] <dpm> morning TLE
[08:58] <TLE> I can see that you were quite busy yesterday. If you got more time today I'd like to point your attention to the language packs
[09:00] <TLE> First of there are the full language packs for natty. You have a todo about contacting the LP guys about a full export
[09:00] <TLE> Matthew already did the documentation exports, so we are just missing the rest
[09:01] <TLE> Second, we are supposed to start testing a new (ordinary) oneiric lang pack this week, would you talk to pitti about how his time is or possibly agree to do the work your self
[09:02] <TLE> otherwise the schedules will be slipping, it would be great if we could have both the delayed natty lang packs and the (on time) oneiric ones ready for this thursday and then run the testing in parralel
[09:04]  * TLE realizes he's a little bossy this morning, gets another cup of coffee to make it wear of ;)
[09:05] <dpm> No worries, I'll see what I can do, thanks for the heads up :)
[09:13] <TLE> no problem, in any case, if you guys are really busy with more urgent matters please say so, so I can inform the translators and cancel some cycles and so on, I do however think it would be unfortunate to cancel the natty one, since we have already had Matthew do work on those
[09:14] <TLE> err: work on that
[15:23] <TLE> dpm: hallo
[15:23] <TLE> any news?
[15:27] <dpm> hi TLE, currently waiting for a launchpad admin to generate the natty export
[15:27] <TLE> dpm: great
[15:38] <jokerdino> hey, i am planning to apply for ubuntu membership next week, can one of you  take a look and see if it is alright?
[15:38] <jokerdino> *see if my wiki page is alrite
[15:38] <jokerdino> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jokerdino
[15:40] <dpm> jokerdino, looks good to me, two suggestions: 1) you need to fix the markup for the bullet points in the lists 2) In "Other contributions", you might want to add a link to your 'bugs' Launchpad page, so that your bug contributions can easily be seen
[15:41] <jokerdino> thanks for the feedback, fixing it.
[15:42] <jokerdino> what exactly should i be doing to mark up the bullet points?
[15:49] <dpm> just add a space before the asterisk
[15:49] <dpm>  *
[15:50] <jokerdino> oh, i am not that familiar with markup.
[15:50] <jokerdino> got way too familiar with markdown in Ask Ubuntu
[15:53] <jokerdino> dp, now i am confused. how do i get the second level bullet points?
[15:54] <jokerdino> ^dpm
[16:00] <jokerdino> got to go, talk to you later all
[16:17] <TLE> jokerdino: second level bullet point by adding an extra space before the *
[16:18] <TLE> You see the problem is that it does not get recognized as a bullet point unless there is a least 1 space before the *
[16:18] <TLE> I think it was that dpm meant
[16:19] <dpm> TLE, Natty langpack export scheduled to start tomorrow morning, probably ready by late afternoon
[16:23] <TLE> dpm: awesome, so then if we can get a onieric lang pack with the latest translations done as well, then we will be back on track
[16:25] <dpm> TLE, what's needed for the oneiric one? Is the export not available already?
[16:26] <TLE> dpm: For the oneiric one, the exports are schedules, so it's just about copying them over to -testing if the build succeds. Right?
[16:27] <dpm> if it's a full langpack, pitti needs to build it manually
[16:28] <TLE> it's just an ordinary one
[16:29] <dpm> ok, then yes, just copying
[16:30] <TLE> great, gotta go now, thanks
[18:57] <crf_> Hi. Is the panel in gnome fallback session called "gnome-panel"? And, is it translatable?
[19:00] <kelemengabor> crf_: yes, it is. ti is also translatable in upstream gnome
[19:01] <kelemengabor> http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gnome-panel/
[19:01] <kelemengabor> here
[19:02] <crf_> thanks
[22:18] <crf> Hi, I was here earlier about trying to translate gnome-panel. Anyway, I tried to download the en_CA.po file to edit it.
[22:18] <crf> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gnome-panel/master/view/head:/po/en_CA.po
[22:18] <crf> There is a button there to "download file"
[22:18] <crf> But it doesn't work.
[22:18] <crf> Is there something wrong with Launchpad?
[22:21] <crf> It only downloads a 0 byte file


[16:04] <webchat60> Hello, i'm trying to find out java OpenJDK version will be the default (in main) for 24.04. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-release-schedule/35649 pointed to (OpenJDK21 transition for Jan 11th) but looking in launchpad i didn't see anything related yet (jdk17 in main, jdk21 in universe, java-common => no change)


[00:57] <sanfoor_> hi all
[00:57] <sanfoor_> i just installed ubuntu
[00:58] <sanfoor_> Xubuntu
[00:58] <sanfoor_> what is the particularity of xunbuntu
[00:58] <sanfoor_> ?
[00:58] <sanfoor_> thank u
[02:12] <butterbean> huh
[02:22] <butterbean> hello
[02:44] <stric_> hello
[02:44] <stric_> I need some help
[02:45] <stric_> I just installed xubuntu on my laptop and the only option I have is 800x600
[02:46] <stric_> is there anyway to fix this
[02:55] <cody-somerville> stric_, What is your graphics card?
[03:00] <stric_> how do i check
[03:00] <stric_> I used to know the command but have forgot
[03:13] <butterbean> I use an app from add/remove called sysinfo
[03:15] <butterbean> it should tell you what card you have
[03:22] <anom01y> Hi, I recovered from hibernation and now I have no sound. All my volumes are up.
[03:22] <anom01y> when I play anything nothing works
[03:22] <anom01y> like alsa is not even installed or something
[03:24] <butterbean> did you try reboot
[03:24] <anom01y> yes
[03:25] <anom01y> butterbean, seems like a common problem
[03:25] <butterbean> im noob ....i would have done the same. sorry i can't be of more help
[03:26] <butterbean> i had prob w/ sound earlier today..
[03:26] <butterbean> I had system sounds (beeps) but no music
[03:26] <anom01y> hmm
[03:27] <butterbean> then it just started to work
[03:27] <butterbean> Im very green to linux
[03:34] <butterbean> Getting ALSA to work after suspend / hibernate
[03:34] <butterbean> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:35] <butterbean> anom0ly
[03:40] <butterbean> Getting ALSA to work after suspend / hibernate
[03:40] <butterbean> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[03:42] <anom01y> I have this panel plugin called xfce-playercontrol-plugin, which controls audacious (has little play / pause / stop buttons, and shows what is playing).   But when I kill audacious, this panel plugin also is killed, and I have to re-add it when I start back up audacious.
[03:43] <butterbean> hmm
[03:44] <anom01y> butterbean, got the sound to work btw.
[03:44] <anom01y> strange bug
[03:44] <butterbean> cool
[03:44] <anom01y> but this panel thing is pretty strange also
[03:45] <anom01y> I was thinking of making a script to start the panel plugin and audacious at the same time.
[03:45] <anom01y> no luck though
[05:01] <evilhawk> 'lo, anyone home?
[07:35] <unix>  can someone help me with nvidia driver install? ive tried using envy, the restricted drivers, and the drivers off nvidia, and none work
[08:13] <binskipy2u> can someone telll me the advantages of xubuntu over kubuntu, gnome? isnt xubuntu xfce+gnome?
[08:13] <binskipy2u> is it that much worth installing over the other "buntus"?
[08:15] <binskipy2u> i dont care about visual effects
[08:15] <binskipy2u> anyone here?
[08:23] <cody-somerville> Xubuntu uses Xfce4
[08:23] <cody-somerville> not gnome
[08:26] <binskipy2u> for a triplecore 64bit pc, wold you notice any real performance using xfce xubuntu, instead of gnome,kde
[08:28] <_Pete_> at least compared to KDE
[08:29] <_Pete_> 4.x.crap version
[08:45] <cody-somerville> I have a P8600 and I find Xubuntu very fast
[09:14] <dimitree> Hello :) what is the best way to install Nvidia drivers for Xubuntu ? i don't see any of them in the hardware drivers ... tool ...
[09:20] <ablomen> dimitree, what nvidia card do you have?
[09:21] <ablomen> (you can see it with the command `lspci | grep VGA` in your terminal)
[12:50] <Dimitree> guyse where are the network tools in Xubuntu ? do i have to install them ?
[12:51] <Dimitree> nevermind
[13:37] <acorn> hi, the menus at the top and bottom of the screen aren't there anymore, what can I do?
[13:39] <Slonkie> !panels
[13:41] <acorn> thanks!
[13:46] <acorn> how do i access a bluetooth device after i've added it?
[13:48] <cody-somerville> good question
[13:49] <acorn> there's nothing in the help about bluetooth devices that are mass storage devices
[13:50] <cody-somerville> acorn, do you want to send a file?
[13:50] <acorn> I want to view the files in thunar
[13:51] <acorn> and mount it
[13:51] <cody-somerville> acorn, Applications > System > Remote Filesystems
[13:51] <cody-somerville> acorn, Create an obex connection and enter your device address
[13:55] <acorn> when i right click on the bluetooth icon browse files is greyed out.
[13:55] <acorn> and I don't know what the address of the device is
[14:00] <cody-somerville> acorn, your device should tell you
[14:34] <Slonkie> Anybody know what to do, when i'm trying to connect to proftpd and it tells me "Status:	Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server"." ?
[14:36] <TheSheep> Slonkie: check the firewall, routing, mtr to the server, check if it has the ftp port open...
[14:36] <Slonkie> Thanks
[14:37] <TheSheep> if it's your server, make sure the ftp daemon is running
[14:37] <Slonkie> The firewall was the problem i see.
[17:15] <Carlis> The solution is: how do i do in the update manager shows me to upgrade to xubunut 9.04 ?
[17:16] <cody-somerville> I think thats a question, not a solution
[17:16] <MikeChelen> Carlis, did you install gnome desktop as well? in the login screen, see if there are multiple session options
[17:20] <Carlis> I login automatically. I  don`t need to write a password
[17:20] <cody-somerville> Carlis, Applications > System > Software Sources
[17:21] <Carlis> wait please
[17:21] <cody-somerville> Carlis, On the Updates tab, change the value in the release upgrade dropdown to normal releases
[17:22] <MikeChelen> or App > System > Login window to check what is default session, it should be XFCE if you want to use Xubuntu
[17:22] <cody-somerville> MikeChelen, he wants to upgrade
[17:22] <cody-somerville> MikeChelen, He already has Xubuntu installed
[17:23] <MikeChelen> cody-somerville, maybe his default session is set to gnome though if the xubuntu logo is not showing in upper left corner
[17:25] <DetroitLibertyPe> i use Xubuntu but my default is set to LXDE
[17:26] <Slonkie> IF he wants to upgrade xubuntu, why not just run update-manager -d from the terminal?
[17:26] <cody-somerville> Slonkie, because -d is for the latest development release
[17:27] <Slonkie> hm okay
[17:27] <Slonkie> Sorry then, I'll bug out :).
[17:32] <Carlis> It was in normal releases already
[17:37] <Carlis> The default session is: XFCE
[17:47] <Carlis> In the computer whether show me in upper left corner the ubuntu logo the default session is: Run Xclient script
[17:48] <Carlis> In the other computer whether show me in upper left cornet the xubuntu logo the default session is: xfce
[17:48] <Carlis> may be for that are the difference in both
[17:55] <MTec007> hello, every one. i woke up today and  got on the laptop, and my sound just isnt working. i dont know why it would have just stopped all of a sudden.
[17:58] <Carlis> do u have the speaker in mute MTec007 ?
[18:00] <MTec007> nope
[18:00] <Carlis> no ?
[18:01] <MTec007> its not muted
[18:02] <Carlis> I can`t help u then
[18:02] <Carlis> sorry
[18:02] <MTec007> volume is at 100 % not muted but no sound will play
[18:02] <MTec007> ok
[18:09] <Carlis> How do i put Gnome desktop in the pc ?
[18:10] <Carlis> Do you know it MTec007 ?
[18:15] <TheSheep> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:35] <Slonkie> 2 questions.. 1: Would i be able to make the grub loading time 0 sec or just make grub automaticly boot on my xubuntu partition? 2: I get the error "ACPI not found" or something like that everytime i boot. Would i be able to make xubuntu boot with acpi=no ?
[19:28] <firsm> what packages is cupsd.conf in? it's not in cupsys, cupsys-bsd or cups-common. I accidently deleted it when reinstalling cups
[19:30] <unix> has anyone here successfully gotten flash 10 working? nothing i try works
[19:30] <knome> unix, flash 10 is working.
[19:31] <unix> how did you install it? i d/led the .deb from adobe, installed it, and it doesnt even list the plugin as active, so i tried manually adding the plugin to the plugins folder, still nothing
[19:31] <unix> how did you install it?
[19:31] <knome> install flashplugin-nonfree from the repos
[19:31] <unix> thats version 9 not ten
[19:31] <unix> that version works fine, just not 10
[19:31] <knome> which ubuntu version?
[19:32] <unix> 8.04
[19:32] <Slonkie> try adobe-flashplugin
[19:32] <Slonkie> from the repos
[19:32] <kn100> guys i have a problem with xubuntu
[19:32] <kn100> i am loving it by the way
[19:33] <unix> ugh ok, i ALREADY HAVE THAT PLUGIN WORKING Jesus i wish people would stop suggesting that
[19:33] <unix> i want flash 10
[19:33] <unix> not 9
[19:33] <kn100> but i cant click links in pidgin for IRC or MSN. It tells me that 'manual' mode has been chosen, but no command has been set
[19:33] <kn100> i have checked preferred applications, firefox is selected there
[19:33] <kn100> its 9.10 btw
[19:33] <firsm> unix: just drop the .so in your users's mozilla dir. but it's of course A LOT slower than the win version
[19:34] <unix> already did that
[19:34] <kn100> is
[19:34] <kn100> sorry wrong window
[19:34] <unix> i replaced every instance of the flashplugin-nonfree version with the newest flash 10 plugin
[19:34] <unix> and it still doesnt work
[19:34] <unix> after i replace them all then the flashplugin-nonfree doesnt work either
[19:35] <unix> so i have to uninstall 10, and reinstall 9
[19:35] <unix> i just dont think it works period
[19:35] <unix> 9 works just fine though, i just cant watch anything flash related on myspace since they have swiched to 10
[19:36] <Slonkie> That's the right attitude! lol
[19:36] <kn100> any ideas?
[19:36] <SiDi> kn100, 9.10 try #ubuntu+1 ;)
[19:36] <firsm> why does apt-get install cups not install cupsd.conf? When I extract the deb I see that there's supposed to be a cupsd.conf in /etc/cups
[19:36] <unix> i tried every version of the flash 10 install there is, and placed the .so files there, what else can i do?
[19:36] <kn100> SiDi im on xubuntu 9.10, and the glitch does not exist in 9.10 karmic since i just came from that
[19:37] <SiDi> unix, you can remove any .so file you left
[19:37] <SiDi> absolutely any
[19:37] <unix> and btw sidi, i tried doing what you said, and the nvidia-glx-new driver didnt work
[19:37] <SiDi> then you also remove any gnash instance
[19:37] <SiDi> and then, you only install flashplugin-nonfree from the repository
[19:37] <SiDi> unix, so which drivers are you on right now ?
[19:38] <unix> the ones you suggest off nvidias site, which work just fine
[19:38] <unix> :p
[19:38] <SiDi> and which is meant to be the same :p
[19:38] <unix> and i already have the flashplugin-nonfree working fine, that version is 9, not 10. i need 10
[19:38] <kn100> guys, why not just get the adobe flash player deb from adobe website? works fine here
[19:38] <SiDi> oh, well :/
[19:39] <kn100> (its version 10 also)
[19:39] <SiDi> unix, then remove the 9 properly and try the 10 from site but theres not much we can do if it doesnt wanna work :/
[19:39] <unix> i have the .deb file on my desktop, and it doesnt work
[19:39] <SiDi> kn100, cause he's on 8.04 and it may not have the libs for the latest build of flash ?
[19:39] <kn100> SiDi ahh i see
[19:39] <unix> and i just uninstalled 9, and then tried to install the .deb, and its still not listing the plugin
[19:40] <SiDi> unix, what did it say when installing ?
[19:40] <kn100> the adobe website lists the AFP10 plugin to be compatible with ubuntu 8.04 and above
[19:40] <unix> and its wierd too, that the nvidia-glx-new package wont work, yet this driver does lol
[19:40] <unix> and nothing, it successfully installs
[19:41] <unix> then when i reopen firefox, i check the plugins tab, nothing
[19:41] <SiDi> ah well, i really dont know then, sorry :/
[19:41] <unix> can someone try to install it, and youll see what i mean
[19:42] <SiDi> im on 9.04 ;)
[19:42] <unix> does it work on 9.04?
[19:42] <SiDi> yeh
[19:42] <SiDi> but well, im not a flash fan anyways
[19:42] <unix> http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
[19:42] <unix> so that returns 10 then?
[19:43] <unix> or does it say LNX 9,0,159,0
[19:43] <SiDi> it returns "LNX" .. :/
[19:44] <kn100> argh i wish i could figure out whats wrong with this
[19:44] <unix> me too lol
[19:45] <kn100> also compizconfig lists a hell of a lot less in xubuntu than it did in ubuntu
[19:45] <SiDi> no compiz-gnome ;)
[19:45] <SiDi> i need to go for now
[19:46] <SiDi> good luck to both of you
[19:46] <unix> cya, thanks for the advice on the nvidia drivers
[19:46] <SiDi> you're welcome
[19:46] <kn100> will sudo apt-getting compiz-gnome work?
[19:47] <kn100> well im doing it anyway ;)
[19:59] <Carlis> Hi
[20:00] <Carlis> I have installed Gnome but I don`t see Gnome in the desktop
[20:00] <Carlis> How do i put Gnome in the desktop ?´
[20:09] <Carlis> Hi
[20:09] <Carlis> How do i put Gnome in the desktop ?
[20:13] <Slonkie> Anybody know a way to merge alot (And i mean ALOT) of mp3 files into 1 mp3 file?
[20:13] <Salix_> I remember a "menu editor" application but I can't find it in 9.04. Where is it? {:-.
[20:14] <Carlis> How do i put Gnome in the desktop ?
[20:15] <Carlis> anybody can help me ?
[20:19] <Carlis> Hi´
[20:19] <Carlis> +
[20:19] <Carlis> Who can help me ?
[20:20] <Carlis> #ubuntu
[20:21] <Carlis> slonkie can u help me ?
[20:29] <Salix_> how do I find "multiseat" on http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ ?
[20:32] <Carlis> sidi ???
[20:32] <Carlis> How do i put Gnome in the desktop ?
[20:52] <ptizzy> Slonkie: i've done that with wav files using cat.  don't know if that would work with mp3's or not.
[20:53] <ptizzy> Slonkie: have you tried this:  http://hublog.hubmed.org/archives/001128.html
[20:58] <Slonkie> ptizzy i found an application.. mp3wrap, it was great :).
[21:06] <Ben_Cs> good evening
[21:07] <Mkop> how do I add items to the xfce menu?
[21:09] <Ben_Cs> don't know
[21:18] <ptizzy> Mkop: Applications>Settings>Main Menu
[21:19] <Mkop> ptizzy: there's no such menu item
[21:21] <DetroitLibertyPe> did right click copy, middle button paste dissaper in 9.04?
[21:22] <ptizzy> Mkop: no "Main Menu"?
[21:24] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: i don't have it in 4.6.1 aswell
[21:24] <ptizzy> Hmm.  Try alacarte from the command line
[21:26] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: it works for xfce menu?
[21:27] <ptizzy> Ben_Cs: i think so.  xubuntu uses the xfce menu, right?
[21:29] <ptizzy> i'm on xfce 4.6.0
[21:29] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: right
[21:30] <ptizzy> works for me, on jaunty
[21:35] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: i'm on hardy. i like the stability of LTS. Sometimes frequent upgrades damaged some features
[21:36] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: and since it's LTS, i have many backports available
[21:38] <ptizzy> Ben_Cs: makes sense.  i wonder if hardy handles netbooks well.  i'm about to setup my parents new netbook.  stability would be good.
[21:40] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: i would think so. But maybe it's better to install netbooks specific version of ubuntu
[21:41] <Hanthor> hello
[21:41] <SiDi> C'mon, 9.04 isnt vista, it _is_ stable
[21:41] <SiDi> Hanthor, heya
[21:42] <Hanthor> I was wondering how to get compiz up and running in 9.04
[21:42] <ptizzy> Ben_Cs: I've downloaded UNR to try out.  If that doesn't work, then I'm gonna install xubuntu and try to make it look like their Mac desktop(within reason)
[21:42] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: like easy peasy, eebuntu, ubuntu netbook remix, etc.
[21:42] <SiDi> ptizzy, try Moblin too ;)
[21:43] <Ben_Cs> ptizzy: yeh, probably UNR will be best
[21:43] <ptizzy> problem is, it's got to be done while there here this weekend, since they live 7 hours away
[21:43] <ptizzy> only have so much time to get it right
[21:46] <Hanthor> hello? do any of you know how to get compix on jaunty?
[21:47] <ptizzy> Hanthor: i just turned it on in Settings>Window Manager Tweaks and it worked
[21:49] <Hanthor> compiz fusion?
[21:49] <Hanthor> it works in the Mint CE
[21:49] <SiDi> ptizzy, this isnt compiz fusion
[21:49] <SiDi> Hanthor, just install it
[21:50] <Hanthor> and it'll work?
[21:50] <ptizzy> doh, nevermind...brain fart
[21:50] <Slonkie> 2 questions.. 1: Would i be able to make the grub loading time 0 sec or just make grub automaticly boot on my xubuntu partition? 2: I get the error "ACPI not found" or something like that everytime i boot. Would i be able to make xubuntu boot with acpi=no ?
[21:51] <SiDi> Slonkie, edit your menu.lst :)
[21:51] <SiDi> i think the name of the option is "noacpi" but you should google that
[21:53] <SiDi> 11xInkscape + installing a VM = lag
[21:58] <Slonkie> so if i set the "timeout" to 0, it doesn't show me the grub everytime i boot up?
[21:58] <SiDi> I think it will actually remove the timeout xD
[21:58] <SiDi> i dont know exactly how to autoboot
[21:58] <SiDi> i think grub2 can do it, but maybe not grub1
[21:59] <Slonkie> :-/
[21:59] <Slonkie> I'll try see if i can find something understandable on google
[22:15] <cemunal> can we get 3d with nouveau drivers?
[22:18] <SiDi> cemunal, i highly doubt so
[22:39] <zoredache> perhaps a silly question, but where did epiphany-webkit go in jaunty?
[22:51] <SiDi> zoredache, i think its epiphany itself
[22:55] <zoredache> SiDi: the package named epiphany is a game...
[22:55] <SiDi> then they dropped webkit ^^
[22:56] <zoredache> the epiphany-gecko package still exists, and epiphany-browser still has epiphany-webkit as a depend...
[22:56] <zoredache> But it looks like it is still in karmic and here are even updated versions there.... :|
[22:56] <SiDi> funny :]
[22:57] <zoredache> it doesn't really matter much, I was just curious
[23:12]  * duke_Leto is away: Changing my consciousness.
[23:16]  * zoredache things public away messages are annoying (duke_Leto)
[23:16] <zoredache> thinks*...
[23:23]  * duke_Leto is back (gone 00:11:07)
[23:24] <knome> duke_Leto, yes please, do not use public away/unaway messages


[00:00] <alex_21> Does that get burned onto the disk?
[00:00] <directhex> yes, or it can be read from other media (e.g. network)
[00:01] <alex_21> Oh, Ok, I just want to read it from the CD
[00:01] <alex_21> Is there a howto for this?
[00:01] <directhex> use the kernel parameter preseed/file=/path/to/preseed - usually you'd modify isolinux.cfg to make that change the default
[00:02] <directhex> start off on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD - everything should apply equally to ubuntu
[00:02] <alex_21> Oh, Ok, thanks
[00:14] <alex_21> But the preceed file?
[00:16] <directhex> will be linked from somewhere on there
[00:16] <alex_21> Oh, thanks for all your help
[00:16] <alex_21> Good day. Shaw bash
[00:16] <ebroder> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=preseed%20file :)
[00:16] <ebroder> Oh, too late, I guess
[02:47] <NCommander> ScottK, care to take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/309568?
[02:55] <ScottK> No.
[02:56] <ScottK> Heading out to buy packing tape for Christmas shipments that must go out tomorrow.
[02:57] <NCommander> ah
[03:17] <nixternal> ScottK: stay away from UPS overnight, $$$$$...I shipped out today from UPS on the Santa Express...will get to your neck of the woods on xmas eve, and it only cost $30 total
[03:17] <nixternal> overnight morning delivery they wanted $100
[04:18] <khaeru> Yoohoo
[04:18] <khaeru> I'm trying to help with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SavingTheWorld
[04:19] <khaeru> Can anyone tell me which version of gdm is likely to be in jaunty?
[04:19] <khaeru> Here I see 2.20: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/gdm but there seems to be 2.25 in GNOME
[05:07] <pwnguin> RAOF: is nouveau in a workable state in jaunty, or is there some magic i need to invoke?
[05:08] <slangasek> according to the alpha2 notes, the kernel support isn't in place yet?
[05:08] <pwnguin> psh
[05:08] <pwnguin> who reads alpha notes
[05:08] <pwnguin> real men install before the notes were written ;)
[05:08] <RAOF> pwnguin: You need to review nouveau-kernel-source on revu, then upload it :P
[05:18] <pwnguin> RAOF: so it's sitting on a copyright review?
[05:40] <RAOF> pwnguin: Yeah, and general packaging.
[05:42] <RAOF> pwnguin: Feel free to review, if you'd like some nouveau action :)
[07:01] <doko_> lool: the djvulibre build failure looks like a linker problem. I know about it ...
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:09] <Chipzz> what's good about mornings? :P
[07:09] <Chipzz> ;)
[07:11] <StevenK> If mornings really exist, why are there only 12 hours on a clock
[07:11] <Chipzz> Keybuk: reping in case you missed my ping this weekend :)
[07:11] <Chipzz> StevenK: I always deny mornings exist ;)
[07:12] <Chipzz> they're a big conspiracy! :)P
[07:33] <yao_ziyuan> seamonkey composer is probably the best WYSIWYG html editing solution under linux.
[07:33] <yao_ziyuan> after "sudo apt-get install seamonkey",
[07:33] <yao_ziyuan> ubuntu only installs a "SeaMonkey" launcher in the Internet category.
[07:33] <yao_ziyuan> that's not enough.
[07:33] <yao_ziyuan> i hope it also install a "SeaMonkey Composer" launcher whose command line is: seamonkey -edit.
[07:34] <Hobbsee> yay, more drive bys.
[07:35]  * Hobbsee wonders about a bug report for that
[07:39] <Keybuk> Chipzz: morning
[08:35] <Mithrandir> soren: qemu/kvm USB passthrough seems broken on hardy for me; it says 'usb_linux_update_endp_table: Connection timed out' immediately after I do usb_add host:1.2 in the qemu/kvm console.  Is this known?  Is there a workaround?
[09:17] <shani^work> Hello.
[09:19] <shani^work> I want to ask is ubuntu support graphic/video card ( 3dlab's WildCat III 6210) ? if yes , then it donot installed the drivers of it m the screen i can see right now is 3/4 of my computer , and the resolution is 800x600 , unfortunately there is no relevent thread available of forums on on google search as well , BUT , www.3dlabs.com do offer my video/graphic card driver for redhat/novel/suse distributions , Can any one help me
[09:22] <Keybuk> shani^work: try #ubuntu
[10:20] <Chipzz> Keybuk: goodmorning :)
[10:43] <lool> infinity: Hmm are you aware of http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20629978/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-armel.debian-installer_20081029ubuntu5_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz ?
[10:43] <lool> Unpacking chroot for build<PHONE_NUMBER>338
[10:43] <lool> tar: This does not look like a tar archive
[10:43] <directhex> armel chroot is buggered, i've had two reoprts today
[11:06] <lool> directhex: ah
[11:06] <directhex> lool, i don't know who's in charge of debuggerification though
[11:07] <wgrant> infinity. But he's on leave.
[11:07] <directhex> and what's the contingency plan?
[11:08] <lool> directhex: I poked Canonical IS (buildd sysadmins)
[11:16] <apw> cjwatson, i am wondering if it is possible to see if a package was uploaded
[11:19] <cjwatson> apw: not sure what you mean
[11:19] <cjwatson> apw: or, er, can you be more precise please?
[11:19] <apw> specificially the module-init-tools in jaunty, rtg says he has uploaded an ubuntu18 but its not visible
[11:19] <apw> (sorry got distracted, offered some coffee)
[11:20] <apw> now when he did it before it wasn't there 'for some time' so i am interested in understanding where the limbo is before it appears, and whether its visible anywhere
[11:20] <cjwatson> it'd show up at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/module-init-tools if the upload was successful
[11:21] <cjwatson> modulo a delay of up to five minutes until a cron job runs
[11:21] <cjwatson> it will take "some time" to show up in the archive proper, but it will be visible in LP before that
[11:21] <apw> and its not there, and its been a couple of days, but thinking about it he may have uploaded it agaist intrepid-proposed
[11:22] <cjwatson> the "some time" delay is because the archive proper is managed by a script that runs hourly and takes nearly an hour to run
[11:22] <apw> presumably that needs to be approved before it appears?
[11:22] <Keybuk> where was the upload to?
[11:22] <Keybuk> jaunty?
[11:22] <Keybuk> if so they're auto-approved
[11:22] <apw> thinking about it intrepid-proposed is most likely
[11:23] <apw> as the last one was pocket copied to jaunty after the fact
[11:23] <apw> is there a queue of unapproved things somewhere?
[11:23] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue lets you inspect unapproved stuff in intrepid
[11:23]  * apw adds that info to the juju list
[11:24] <cjwatson> elect unapproved from the drop-down
[11:24] <cjwatson> +s
[11:24] <apw> ahhh there it is, thanks, so it was uploaded but its in there
[11:24] <cjwatson> also StableReleaseUpdates is quite clear that most things should go to the development release *first*
[11:25] <apw> unapproved i assume means 'waiting for approval' not rejected
[11:25] <cjwatson> that is correct
[11:25] <apw> cjwatson, yeah, i am not quite sure why rtg has been doing this package that way
[11:25] <apw> it got copied to jaunty by someone else last time
[11:25] <cjwatson> I realise that the kernel itself is not done this way but that's a special case
[11:26] <apw> the main reason is i now want to fix it again and can't get the source back through apt-get source
[11:26] <cjwatson> there was a period when jaunty wasn't open so things had to be done that way, but that's no longer the case. rtg should stop doing this
[11:26] <apw> so was looking to see where it was gone
[11:26] <apw> cjwatson, ahh, ok, it is hard for us sometimes as we work outside normal process so much
[11:27] <apw> so in the normal process it would be uploaded to jaunty, fine
[11:27] <cjwatson> (that said I haven't looked at this change)
[11:27] <cjwatson> I think you can download the files from +queue
[11:27] <apw> then when its proposed for intrepid, is that a new upload or is that a copy back?
[11:27] <cjwatson> new upload
[11:27]  * apw attempts to learn
[11:27] <apw> ok ...
[11:28] <apw> cool.  i think i can get what _i_ need out of this queue
[11:28] <cjwatson> it's slightly more work (although only trivially so), but the reason for this is that it's usually much easier to shake out problems in the development release, and the strictures on doing work there are much weaker
[11:28] <apw> and i will get rtg to sort out uploading it to jaunty, its too easy to get out of sync
[11:28] <cjwatson> besides as soon as intrepid and jaunty's versions differ you have to do this anyway
[11:29] <cjwatson> well, if this is to go into intrepid-proposed then we might as well copy it to jaunty as before. I'm just saying that rtg shouldn't do this in future
[11:30] <apw> though as a counterpoint, encouraging him to upload it to jaunty will help cement that as the right approach
[11:33] <apw> cjwatson, thanks for the info
[11:35] <lool> directhex: builder was taken out of the pool for now, until someone can check what's wrong
[11:38] <directhex> lool, will failed builds happen again automatically, or is a no-change reupload needed?
[11:46] <lool> directhex: You can hit retry to give them back, and eventually they'll be given back when we give back all failed packages (this happens from time to time)
[11:46] <lool> s/and/or
[11:46] <lool> No need for a sourceful upload I think
[11:47] <lool> directhex: Perhaps we can give back all "Chroot problem" failed builds right now
[11:47] <apw> cjwatson, if one makes a change to a package like m-i-t for jaunty and the change is not required for intrepid its not going to get uploaded there, if later a change which is needed makes an upload to intrepid then the inbetween change is likely to get carried too.  in this case it is a benign and safe change, is there somewhere one normally documents that sort of information for 'later' when the change is being considered?
[11:50] <doko_> lool: the djvulibre build failure is due to a very old libtool (2001)
[11:50] <doko_> lool: the shared library is linked with -nostdlib, but without -lgcc
[11:51] <lool> doko_: No, I tried with the current one and it fails as well
[11:51] <lool> doko_: With the new one, -nostdlib isn't on the command line and -lgcc_s is
[11:51] <lool> doko_: However the shared gcc_s.so doesn't have these symbols, and the .a as them as .hidden
[11:52] <doko_> lool: linking the *shared lib* with -lgcc resolves this issue
[11:52] <doko_> but then I get:
[11:53] <doko_> g++ -o .libs/bzz -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I.. -I.. -I../libdjvu -I. -DNDEBUG -Wall -O3 -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -pthread -DTHREADMODEL=POSIXTHREADS bzz.o -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions  ../libdjvu/.libs/libdjvulibre.so -lm
[11:53] <doko_> ../libdjvu/.libs/libdjvulibre.so: undefined reference to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:53] <doko_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[11:53] <doko_> make[1]: *** [bzz] Error 1
[11:53] <lool> doko_: I tried a cvs checkout of djvulibre with jaunty's libtool, and it didn't work; it could be a libtool issue though
[11:53] <lool> doko_: I don't get that far
[11:53] <doko_> lool: try to add -lgcc to libdjvu/Makefile.in (LIBS)
[11:54] <lool> doko_: Ok, I suspect your undefined reference is due to -undefined
[11:54] <lool> -no-undefined rather
[11:55] <doko_> __aeabi_atexit is defined in libstdc++
[11:55] <lool> doko_: Aha, then there's a missing link to that perhaps?
[11:55] <lool> Would be surprizing that this is needed
[11:56] <doko_> ahh, no in libsupc++
[11:58] <lool> Ok, so missing -l
[11:58] <lool> doko_: Now is it a libtool issue to include -lgcc, or is it the job of upstream using atomic extensions?
[11:59] <doko_> ok, this works for now
[12:00] <lool> Hmm this is some internal gcc lib
[12:00] <lool> directhex: The chrootwait failed builds were requeued
[12:00] <doko_> lool: not sure why I do see this on armel only
[12:01] <cjwatson> apw: there's no such thing as a benign and safe change for stable releases; updates to stable releases must be necessary changes only
[12:01] <lool> doko_: I suspect the i386 implementation doesn't need kernel side help
[12:01] <cjwatson> apw: StableReleaseUpdates has some stuff near the top about why
[12:01] <lool> doko_: So no special library, but simply i386 instructions
[12:01] <lool> Says cmpxchg or something
[12:01] <lool> s/Says/say
[12:02] <apw> cjwatson, it would be normal practice to build a branched version with out the intermediate change
[12:02] <cjwatson> apw: that's right
[12:02] <apw> ok ta
[12:15] <Keybuk> with bzr build-deb, is there a way to specify a custom -i ?
[12:17] <cjwatson> --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -S -i...'?
[12:17] <cjwatson> or set source-builder in the configuration file, probably better
[12:18] <doko_> lool: libdjvu/atomic.* is hard coded per architecture
[12:19] <Keybuk> cjwatson: can it have per-package source-builder ?
[12:20] <cjwatson> you can have a per-package configuration file
[12:20] <cjwatson> .bzr-builddeb/local.conf
[12:20] <cjwatson> see /usr/share/doc/bzr-builddeb/README.gz
[12:20] <Keybuk> thx
[12:20] <cjwatson> or perhaps .bzr-builddeb/default.conf depending on whether you want it to be overridden by user configuration
[12:21] <Keybuk> hmm, didn't wokr
[12:21] <Keybuk> Building the package in ../build-area/udev-135, using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -S
[12:21] <Keybuk> quest ubuntu% cat .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[12:21] <Keybuk> [BUILDDEB]
[12:21] <Keybuk> source-builder = dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -i'(?:/|^)test(?:/|$)'
[12:21] <cjwatson> ... at this point you need james_w :)
[12:22] <cjwatson> try local.conf instead, it's higher-priority
[12:22] <cjwatson> and surely source-builder needs -S
[12:22] <Keybuk> err, right
[12:23] <Keybuk> local.conf worked
[12:24]  * Keybuk is still said you can't put -i in debian/control somewhere :p
[12:25] <cjwatson> mm, yeah
[12:26] <Keybuk> since if anyone checks out this udev branch, and tries to build it
[12:26] <Keybuk> dpkg-source will simply spazz out
[12:26] <lool> doko_: So apart of relibtoolizing, do we need to change djvulibre or the toolchain or both?
[12:27] <doko_> lool: I uploaded a patch just adding the two libs in djvulibre
[12:27] <lool> doko_: No relibtoolizing?
[12:27] <doko_> I don't think it's needed
[12:29] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I think the idea of .bzr-builddeb/local.conf is that you can commit it to the branch so that stuff works as long as the other person is using bzr bd
[12:30] <Keybuk> I thought that was what default.conf was for?
[12:31] <cjwatson> the local in local.conf just means that it overrides ~/.bazaar/builddeb.conf
[12:31] <cjwatson> i.e. package-local - I don't think it means that it's supposed to be local to your system
[12:31] <cjwatson> although I might be corrected by somebody who knows bzr-builddeb better :)
[12:41] <apw> where might i find the sync status page, for packages synced from debian during jaunty
[12:42] <Keybuk> we don't really have such a thing?
[12:42] <apw> when we 'sank' would have that been against experimental?
[12:42] <Keybuk> no, from unstable generally
[12:43] <apw> thats probabally what i meant
[12:43] <apw> is there an easy way to find out which version of something is in debian unstable
[12:44] <Keybuk> packages.debian.org
[12:44] <apw> thanks
[12:44] <cjwatson> (or https://launchpad.net/debian)
[12:44] <cjwatson> reliant on the LP import continuing to work of course :)
[12:44] <Keybuk> cjwatson: it's a shame the /ubuntu/ doesn't link to that ;)
[12:45] <Keybuk> though this all reminds me
[12:45] <cjwatson> I think it'll be able to once we're doing "native" syncs from Debian
[12:45]  * Keybuk does an autosync
[12:45] <cjwatson> i.e. just copying the publishing records across from /debian to /ubuntu
[12:45] <cjwatson> there are a couple of bugs left to fix first though
[12:46] <cjwatson> ooh, firefox-3.1's location bar shows you the expansion of keyword bookmarks as you type
[12:46] <cjwatson> that's actually quite cool
[12:57] <lool> cjwatson: Heh I requested this feature pre 3.0, the patch had been proposed by someone way before 3.0 but it took so long to reach a release!
[12:57] <lool> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392143
[12:58] <Riddell> cjwatson: does it make sense for me to get rid of the seed files that kubuntu doesn't need?  *-server and virt-host?
[13:05] <cjwatson> Riddell: probably, yes
[13:05] <cjwatson> Riddell: as long as you don't try to merge from ubuntu
[13:06] <cjwatson> Riddell: (if you do, you'll get conflicts; you shouldn't really need to merge from ubuntu any more anyway)
[13:11] <Keybuk> cjwatson: does the installer do anything with the fuse group?
[13:14] <cjwatson> Keybuk: it used to, but not as of intrepid
[13:14] <cjwatson> see user-setup 1.20ubuntu7 changelog
[13:15] <Keybuk> why did we stop?
[13:16] <Keybuk> dynamic ACL stuff?
[13:16] <Keybuk> hmm
[13:16] <Keybuk> upstream udev just sets fuse to 0666 :p
[13:18] <cjwatson> dynamic ACL apparently, yes
[13:26] <doko_> lool: djvulibre built on armel
[13:32] <lool> Cool
[13:48] <oliver_g_> hello
[13:49] <oliver_g_> I want to make a patch for a source package (with cdbs-edit-patch); and was wondering: should the patch include the changes to the changelog file?
[13:49] <oliver_g_> or should a patch only contain the actual code changes?
[13:50] <directhex> the patch should nopt include changelog stuff
[13:51] <directhex> basically, use a patch for anything outside appname-1.0/debian/
[13:51] <directhex> changelog is in debian/, so no patch
[13:51] <Laney> I think he means upstream changelog
[13:51] <Laney> (no, don't bother)
[13:51] <directhex> oh, that too
[13:51] <oliver_g_> ok, thanks
[13:51] <directhex> morning' iain
[13:51] <persia> oliver_g_, The patch created with cdbs-edit-patch should change things only outside the debian/ directory.  Including the changelog entries in a submitted patch is welcome.  You'd likely find #ubuntu-motu a better channel for these questions.
[13:51] <Laney> 'ow do?
[13:52] <directhex> work is pointless today. i'm just playing civ4
[13:52] <Laney> not started your hols yet?
[13:52] <directhex> nah
[13:53] <oliver_g_> persia: ok, thanks for the #ubuntu-motu hint
[14:09] <mcasadevall> Will a buildd admin please rescore python-qt4 on armel (I'm not sure if my previous message went through)
[14:41] <doko_> why is boost1.37 not yet built, or is not yet processed? NEW package in Debian
[14:47] <cjwatson> doko_: syncing of new packages is manual and sporadic. I've synced it now
[14:53] <doko_> cjwatson: thanks, will other packages be processed as well before our merge window closes?
[14:54] <cjwatson> doko_: yes - there are only 55. In any case the merge window does not "close" on 25 December; that's just when every package should have been merged at least once. You can quite happily merge stuff after that
[15:16] <cjwatson> doko_: all processed now
[15:23] <liw> cjwatson, in re the system-cleaner upload: my usual suspects (mvo, james_w) are on holiday, could you upload the new package and if so, do you prefer to do it from bzr (I've pushed the changelog change), or shall I upload a .dsc to my ppa?
[15:24] <cjwatson> bzr is fine
[15:24] <cjwatson> url?
[15:24] <liw> cjwatson, bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~systemcleaner-hackers/systemcleaner/trunk.deb-packaging/
[15:24] <liw> I need to tweak things in LP to make lp:system-cleaner work, I guess
[15:27] <beuno> liw, hi! You need to tell LP that you're using code, in the "Change Details" link. Then, under the code tab, it will prompt you to specify a development focus.
[15:27] <beuno> that's when the lp:projectname magic works  :)
[15:28] <liw> beuno, there's a separate packaging branch; can I make lp:foo/trunk and lp:foo/trunk.deb-packaging both work? (I think I've seen other projects do tha)
[15:28] <cjwatson> liw: there's already a 1.10.4-0ubuntu2 in intrepid-proposed - you can't reuse that version number
[15:29] <liw> cjwatson, er, oops.
[15:29] <cjwatson> liw: looks like maybe you forgot to merge that into trunk.deb-packaging?
[15:29] <beuno> liw, I *think* that only works if it's linked to a series.
[15:29] <liw> cjwatson, yeah, I'll need to fix that, hang on
[15:52] <liw> cjwatson, ok, that took a while, I had to hunt down the right branch and do a phone call, but I've pushed the branch again, if you want to try again
[15:53] <liw> cjwatson, in other words, I merged the SRU changes
[15:53] <Keybuk> cjwatson: what do you know about /dev/net/tun ?
[15:54] <cjwatson> liw: thanks, uploaded
[15:54] <liw> cjwatson, thank you
[15:55] <cjwatson> Keybuk: at what level? I remember it showing up hardcoded in a number of places (wasn't it in links.conf?) and I know approximately what it's used for
[15:55] <Keybuk> can you see any reason it shouldn't be world-writable?
[15:58] <cjwatson> Keybuk: Documentation/networking/tuntap.txt says it's ok
[15:58] <cjwatson>   Set permissions:
[15:58] <cjwatson>      e.g. chmod 0666 /dev/net/tun
[15:58] <cjwatson>      There's no harm in allowing the device to be accessible by non-root users,
[15:58] <cjwatson>      since CAP_NET_ADMIN is required for creating network devices or for
[15:58] <cjwatson>      connecting to network devices which aren't owned by the user in question.
[15:58] <cjwatson>      If you want to create persistent devices and give ownership of them to
[15:58] <cjwatson>      unprivileged users, then you need the /dev/net/tun device to be usable by
[15:58] <cjwatson>      those users.
[16:00] <Keybuk> sounds fair
[16:31] <cjwatson> liw: oh BTW the changelog entry for system-cleaner wasn't quite accurate - Soyuz didn't remove all Architecture: all packages, only those where an upload was copied from a post-release pocket in an earlier release (e.g. intrepid-proposed -> jaunty)
[16:35] <liw> cjwatson, oh, ok, then I misunderstood
[16:36] <liw> robbiew, about the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/package-license-tracking blueprint: should it be assigned to someone?
[16:37] <robbiew> it should indeed
[16:38] <robbiew> liw: are you volunteering? :P
[16:41] <wasabi> trying to find a bug i commented on friday... i didn't subscribe. anyway to view my own history of comments?
[16:41] <liw> robbiew, well, no :) most of the effort is going to be in the discussions with Debian to finish the spec for the format, and Steve was going to do that
[16:41] <wasabi> oh there we are. commented bugs.
[16:42] <liw> robbiew, but if I'm writing the library, I'll happily co-author the Ubuntu spec with Steve
[16:42] <wasabi> Okay. I have run into #295859. Does anybody think my two comments near the end accurately describe the problem?
[16:42] <wasabi> bug #295859
[16:43] <ion_> benc: According to the last comment in bug #278188, irda has been fixed in 2.6.28 rc9. Would it be possible to get the fix backported into intrepid?
[16:43] <robbiew> liw: ok, thnx
[16:43]  * robbiew assigns to Steve
[16:43] <robbiew> liw: ^
[16:44] <BenC> ion_: file a bug report with a patch and let smb know
[16:44] <liw> robbiew, ack
[16:45] <ion_> benc: smb?
[16:46] <BenC> ion_: stefan bader, he handles the stable releases
[16:46] <ion_> benc: Alright, thanks
[16:59] <Keybuk> I swear that the Mini 9 keyboard was made especially to punish me
[17:02] <robbiew> Keybuk: too small?
[17:02] <Spads> robbiew: too big!
[17:03] <robbiew> heh
[17:03] <Spads> robbiew: also it kept coming up without a / key so he needed to run KEYBUK.EXE
[17:05] <lamont> how do I tell network mangler to leave the ethernet connection _UP_ and _ALONE_, while still letting it mangle the wireless?
[17:06] <Keybuk> lamont: in intrepid?  doesn't it do that by default?
[17:06] <ScottK> By using the RF kill switch when you don't want it to switch to wireless.
[17:06] <Keybuk> robbiew: small, cheap, crappy
[17:06] <lamont> Keybuk: intrepid.  something keeps downing the interface
[17:06] <Keybuk> Spads: keybuk.com!  get it right! :p
[17:06] <robbiew> dude, you got a dell
[17:06] <robbiew> lol
[17:06] <Keybuk> lamont: probably postfix
[17:06] <Spads> Keybuk: yeah I figrued it was a COM after I hit enter
[17:07] <lamont> ScottK: no no.  I have the wireless up and running for upstream bandwdith, and am using the ethernet for some local downstream hackery (configuring a couple of devices over the wire) - and I want it to leave my downstream intreface the hell alone
[17:08] <ScottK> Ah.  Dunno about that.
[17:08] <lamont> afk
[17:09] <Laney> persia: Can I do the lash merge?
[17:09] <Laney> persia: Oh wait, you did
[17:26] <robbiew> cjwatson: so should you be the assignee for the archive reorganisation?
[17:30] <azeem> 7W 31
[17:30] <azeem> sorry
[17:30] <robbiew> cjwatson: For reference:  http://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/archive-reorganization
[17:52] <cjwatson> robbiew: I guess so
[17:53] <robbiew> cjwatson: such enthusiasm! :P
[17:54] <cjwatson> :-) just haven't seen the output of the UDS session yet
[17:54] <cjwatson> but yes, I think it ought to be me at least for coordination purposes (even though the implementation work needs to be in several places)
[17:55] <robbiew> right
[17:56] <robbiew> well...the videos are there for your enjoyment
[17:56] <robbiew> heh
[18:00] <robbiew> cjwatson: hmm...I guess having the same person as assignee and approver is problematic from a checks-and-balances point of view
[18:12] <cjwatson> robbiew: I agree
[18:13]  * robbiew assigns himself as approver
[19:40] <lool> directhex: Broken armel chroot was repaired and this buildd is back in the pool
[20:16] <rickspencer3> tseliot: I'm reading your specs right now :)
[20:51] <tseliot> rickspencer3: thanks
[22:34] <bbs> Template #1 in /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/templates has a duplicate field "template" with newvalue "dexrex/ToS-accepted". Probably two templates are not properly separated by a lone newline.
[22:34] <bbs> i don't get this?
[22:34] <bbs> i have it set up like the parallels templates
[22:34] <bbs> from the partner pool
[22:35] <cjwatson> bbs: can you put the full dexrex templates file somewhere I can see it?
[22:36] <bbs> cjwatson: sure
[22:36] <bbs> thx
[22:36] <bbs> second
[22:37] <bbs> http://dpaste.com/101758/
[22:39] <bbs> http://dpaste.com/101759/
[22:39] <bbs> ^^ preinst file
[22:39] <cjwatson> don't care about preinst
[22:40] <cjwatson> bbs: I suspect that the line just before "Template: dexrex/ToS-accepted" is not really empty. Maybe it has one space in it?
[22:40] <cjwatson> it's hard to tell for sure from a pastebin, as the process of pasting into a pastebin sometimes hides this kind of thing
[22:40] <cjwatson> you might be able to turn on special characters or something in your editor to see for sure
[22:40] <bbs> lol
[22:40] <bbs> :)
[22:40] <bbs> thats funny
[22:40] <bbs> i'll take a peek
[22:40] <bbs> i mean it just keeps yelling atm
[22:41] <bbs> cjwatson: whats the easiest way to do a single binary install
[22:41] <bbs> using an "install"
[22:41] <bbs> file
[22:41] <bbs> with CDBS
[22:41] <bbs> or what?
[22:41] <cjwatson> please don't use the Enter key as punctuation
[22:42] <cjwatson> perhaps try reading something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide ?
[22:42] <bbs> i did
[22:42] <cjwatson> debian/*.install (or debian/install) files are a feature of debhelper rather than of CDBS as such, although CDBS does use debhelper
[22:42] <cjwatson> read 'man dh_install'
[22:42] <bbs> that Guide is not sufficient and does not contain barely anything about binary files
[22:42] <cjwatson> why is it important what the files contain?
[22:43] <bbs> ok i will take a look
[22:43] <cjwatson> all that debian/rules and the things it calls needs to worry about is putting the files in the right place, basically!
[22:43] <bbs> yes, exactly :)
[22:43] <cjwatson> whether they're text files or binary files normally doesn't matter
[22:44] <cjwatson> anyway, for mentoring on packaging creation, please use #ubuntu-motu
[22:44] <bbs> cjwatson: i've tried there -- its a wasteland in there for a few hours now
[22:44] <bbs> thanks for your time..
[22:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: I thought I'd recommended that you stop merging the Kubuntu seeds from Ubuntu - isn't it just creating confusion? (such as the recent CD build failure)
[22:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: (if it's really useful, then I guess ...)
[22:49] <cjwatson> Riddell: (I've fixed the seed bug causing that CD build failure)
[22:55] <cody-somerville> Would people prefer the default host for dput to be local or something bogus to help prevent accidentally uploads to Ubuntu or would people prefer that it remain Ubuntu?
[22:56] <ion_> Having to specify Ubuntu when uploading to it shouldn’t be too hard.
[22:56]  * cody-somerville nods.
[22:56] <lubosz> hi
[22:56] <pochu> cody-somerville: I always change it to something bogus
[22:56] <cody-somerville> ion_, thats my thinking as well
[22:56] <lubosz> whats the deal about kenrel -11
[22:56] <cody-somerville> pochu, me too
[22:57] <lubosz> it broke laptop stuff for me
[22:57] <cody-somerville> okay, sounds good.
[22:57] <lubosz> suspend does not work anymore
[22:57] <lubosz> and it starts with the lowest screen brightness Oo
[23:02] <lubosz> Dec 22 23:47:23 burning-studio kernel: [   19.049472] asus-laptop: Brightness ignored, must be controlled by ACPI video driver
[23:09] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: it's not like you can accidentally *successfully* upload to Ubuntu unless you're an Ubuntu developer and the top line in debian/changelog lists an Ubuntu suite. I don't see the dput default as a problem
[23:10] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: I'm not sure I ever recall an "argh, I accidentally uploaded this to Ubuntu" incident
[23:10] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I hear it from MOTUs all the time ;]
[23:10] <ebroder> Sounds like that could be pretty easy if you use dch
[23:10]  * directhex uploads cody-somerville to experimental
[23:11] <cody-somerville> : O
[23:12] <directhex> take THAT!
[23:12] <cody-somerville> If any core-devs would like to sponsor, see bug #310754 :)
[23:12] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: none of them seem to come to the archive admins saying "could you please reject this?"
[23:12] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Sure
[23:13] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, If you'd like, you're welcome to sponsor my upload and revert that change if you'd like. I don't feel strongly about it.
[23:13] <cody-somerville> I just know for myself, I do set it to something bogus because I *would* be coming to ask
[23:13] <cjwatson> at this time of night I think somebody else can do it :)
[23:13] <cody-somerville> ;]
[23:13] <cody-somerville> Alrighty. I'm going to go enjoy some dinner. bbiab
[23:13] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, btw, do you know anything about valgrind?
[23:13]  * directhex wonders if an archive admin can find time in between eating mince pies & rockin' around the christmas tree to do a couple of syncs
[23:14] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, it won't compile on Jaunty due to depending on glibc version no higher than 2.7 (and we have 2.8)
[23:14] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, although the NEWS file seems to suggest that support for 2.8 was added
[23:15] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, so I'm wondering if its safe to modify the configure.in file to allow it to compile with 2.8
[23:17] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: not at that level - if you're wondering if it's safe, I'd suggest mailing upstream
[23:17]  * cody-somerville nods.
[23:17] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, Thanks. Will do.
[23:17]  * cody-somerville is off for now. bbiab (for real now) :)
[23:50] <Hobbsee> cody-somerville: how much of that hsould be sent to debian?
[23:51]  * Hobbsee notes that it's going to annoy people when what htey were using before (ie, dput foo.changes) doesn't work anymore
[23:51]  * Hobbsee notes that various people who are paranoid already go and change it themselves, as they're not so confident


[02:06] <Zed_> hello?
[02:19] <holstein> hey Zed_
[02:19] <holstein> whats up?
[02:19] <holstein> hmmmm
[15:56] <crysaz> Hi. Any has anyone played around with Pioneers DJM 5000 mixer? It claims to be a USB audio interface, but I didn't managed to get it working.
[15:57] <holstein> crysaz: i have not
[15:57] <holstein> did it show up in lsusb?
[15:59] <holstein> yeah, i dont even see pioneer @ http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[15:59]  * holstein doesnt like USB interfaces much anyways
[16:01] <crysaz> holstein: yes and there is a entry under /proc/asound/, but there isn't any pcm device
[16:02] <crysaz> me either, but I took a bit of a risk and trusted on advertised standard compliance
[16:02] <holstein> crysaz: did you already buy it?
[16:03] <holstein> w0w
[16:03] <holstein> that thing is expensive
[16:03] <crysaz> I do have 30 days to deside am I keeping it
[16:03] <holstein> its pretty much a 4 channel line mixer
[16:03] <holstein> no preamps
[16:03] <holstein> unless your a DJ
[16:04] <holstein> and going to take advantage of some of those specialized features
[16:04] <crysaz> a bit, but for our klub
[16:04] <holstein> 800 bucks gets you a pretty decent mixer
[16:05] <crysaz> shame that i'm not impressed with the quality of the electronics
[16:05] <holstein> nah
[16:05] <holstein> that seems just overpriced
[16:05] <crysaz> i send it once back, becouse 3rd channel didn't light up
[16:07] <holstein> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=serp&q=behringer+mixer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=13837850350322521424&ei=LmthTJ-4McK88gaIqpn-CQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CFMQ8wIwAg#
[16:08] <holstein> theres nothing on that pioneer that i need that this doesnt have
[16:08] <holstein> however, the beringer has preamps
[16:08]  * holstein is not a DJ though
[16:08] <crysaz> now i have bit odd feeling on those sends and returns. there shouldn't be any cable sensing and i didn't get it on.
[16:09]  * holstein says return it
[16:10] <holstein> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&client=serp&q=line+mixer&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=18097853489972457865&ei=7mphTPSrFoH88AbW66mGCg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CEkQ8wIwAQ#
[16:12] <crysaz> aaaarghh. but it's perfect mixer for my needs! :)
[16:13] <holstein> yeah?
[16:14] <holstein> whats it do that a line mixer doesnt do?
[16:14] <holstein> whats it do that makes it worth $600US more
[16:16] <crysaz> decent controls for djing, eq, cues, two stereo outputs and it should work as an audio interface
[16:20] <crysaz> and i already have a line mixer. or more like a matrix miser for fixed setup. i am driving our pa with 32-channel live mixer and with this one.
[16:22] <holstein> well, if it works for you
[16:22] <holstein> but im not going to split hairs
[16:22] <holstein> i think that thing is about 500 bucks to much for what it is
[16:22] <holstein> but again, i dont DJ
[16:23] <holstein> i would think a mixer with a couple different stereo outs
[16:23] <holstein> with routing
[16:23] <holstein> that would have all that functinality
[16:23] <holstein> and be more rugged for the road
[16:23] <holstein> that with a cheap USB interface
[16:24] <holstein> BUT you might be able to get that pioneer working with linux
[16:30] <crysaz> doesn't seem that likely. i couldn't find any threads on this subject.
[16:31] <holstein> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/422094-REG/Behringer_UCA202_UCA202_USB_Audio_Interface.html
[16:31] <holstein> those work great from what i hear
[16:31] <holstein> plug and play
[16:31] <holstein> and cheap
[16:39] <crysaz> if i change the setup, i'll propably buy some mid-range firewire interface
[17:24] <crysaz> ok. there is somekind of wire sensing present in send&return


[00:31] <seattlegaucho> kubuntu maveric does some neat tricks to some icons
[01:13] <valorie> really?
[01:13] <valorie> I don't remember....
[01:13] <valorie> about to move to natty, I think