[12:47] <cortex> hi
[12:47] <cortex> is it possible to move from i386 to amd64 ??
[03:52] <infinity> BenC: A) Be around, B) Be in #ubuntu-toolchain, please. :)
[02:52] <zul> hey
[06:41] <zul> *sigh* reiserfs is evil
[07:11] <tfheen> zul: I could have told you that for free years ago
[07:12] <zul> heh.
[11:36] <sistpoty> Hi folks
[11:37] <sistpoty> does anyone know, why the _syscallX macros aren't in unistd.h any longer? (and how I can cleverly circumvent this?)
[11:51] <jbailey> BenC: Hey - do you know if the -server kernel is on the edgy CD?
[11:51] <jbailey> sistpoty: Use the glibc syscall() function.
[11:52] <BenC> jbailey: probably only on the server CD's
[11:53] <jbailey> Ah, whups, forgot that the Cd weren't integrated anymore.
[11:56] <sistpoty> jbailey: but I cannot use own system calls with syscall()... because that would be exactly what I'd need
[11:56] <sistpoty> jbailey: or can i?
[11:56] <jbailey> What do you mean "own system calls"?
[11:57] <sistpoty> jbailey: syscall by a kernel module... just a sec and I show you the code snippet in question
[11:58] <sistpoty> jbailey: http://faumachine.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/FAUmachine/node-pc/setup.c?view=markup (search for faumachine_helper... that's from a addon kernel module of that project)


[02:33] <zul> hey infinity
[02:34] <infinity> Hey.
[02:35] <ajmitch> morning infinity
[01:52] <zul> hey
[03:58] <mag_> Hello... I've got this serverworks/broadcom sata chip on a server motherboard that doesn't get detected by the dapper install. Is there any easy way to get or create a installer with a newer kernel that recognizes the new pciids?
[04:02] <mag_> It's the ht1000 sata device
[04:07] <mag_> Is the kernel that ubuntu installer uses a normal kernel or is it patched in any special way?
[04:11] <mag_> bye, thanks for the support :)
[09:55] <zul> later


[06:37] <smartboyhw> xnox, you here? I want some bit of help...
[07:49] <smartboyhw> xnox, forget about the help now
[14:24] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, er can you approve the Ubuntu Studio -> Wubi code merge?
[14:31] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: done, and bumped everything to 13.04 since I don't think it makes sense to build more versions for quantal at this point
[14:31] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, thank you:D
[14:31] <cjwatson> ev: could you build wubi r275 for raring, please?
[14:49] <ev> cjwatson: will do now
[14:49] <cjwatson> ta
[15:08] <ev> cjwatson: done
[15:09]  * ogra_ still waits for the first wishlist bug for wubi on win RT :)
[15:12] <cjwatson> ogra_: which reminds me, I was wondering how totally insane it would be to use something wubi-esque as a way to dual-boot android and ubuntu on the nexus7
[15:12] <cjwatson> conditional on having the grub port working of course
[15:13] <cjwatson> it almost makes more sense on a constrained device than on a full desktop/laptop system, in some ways - fewer worries about upgrade / disk growth / etc.
[15:13] <ogra_> heh, well, might be possible though there are easier ways for dual boot (just flash the bootimg to the recovery partition) that simply the userspace (flash-kernel) doesnt cover
[15:13] <ogra_> doesnt lupin use a readonly squashfs ?
[15:14]  * ogra_ has never looked deeply into wubi
[15:14] <cjwatson> no, it's an ordinary filesystem
[15:14] <cjwatson> the weirdness is that it's all loop-mounted on a single file in the containing fs
[15:14] <cjwatson> and the boot loader and initramfs conspire to make that as invisible as possible
[15:15] <ogra_> needing overlayfs ?
[15:15] <cjwatson> no
[15:15] <cjwatson> it's just ext4
[15:15] <cjwatson> the inner filesystem doesn't actually matter
[15:15] <ogra_> ah, great, since thats usually missing in the kernels on these devices
[15:15] <cjwatson> it does need a smart boot loader, and it needs the loop module, but aside from that the required kernel support is not desperately advanced
[15:16]  * ogra_ will take a look, is grub an actual requirement ?
[15:16] <cjwatson> realistically yes
[15:16] <ogra_> hmm
[15:16] <cjwatson> but the grub arm port was coming along quite well last I looked
[15:16] <cjwatson> (need to find time to go back and supply more review feedback)
[15:16] <ogra_> well, you will likely need to chainload it somehow, else it would need very close HW support
[15:17] <cjwatson> it's grub on top of uboot
[15:17] <cjwatson> the linaro guys are doing it
[15:17] <ogra_> hmm, so the question is if it also works on fastboot
[15:17] <cjwatson> so it only needs a relatively small amount of hardware-specific gubbins
[15:17] <cjwatson> that I don't know
[15:17] <ogra_> i would guess so, but needs to be verified
[15:17] <cjwatson> you can sort of do it without grub if you're prepared to tolerate copying the kernel and initrd out of /boot to somewhere the loader can read it - but for dual-boot support you still want a menu anyway
[15:18] <ogra_> which then gets hairy on something like the nexus7
[15:18] <cjwatson> and the userspace support for wubi without grub2 has almost certainly atrophied
[15:18] <cjwatson> (grub legacy wasn't smart enough to do the loop-mount dance)
[15:18] <ogra_> we would need sme HW key support for the vol up/down keys
[15:18] <cjwatson> you'd need a touch driver or hw key support, yes
[15:18] <cjwatson> how do they present?
[15:18] <ogra_> and some trick to generate an "enter" as well
[15:19] <ogra_> just /dev/input
[15:19] <cjwatson> I mean to the kernel
[15:19] <cjwatson> just gpio pins or something?
[15:19] <ogra_> hmm, i would have to check, but likely
[15:19] <cjwatson> probably wouldn't be that hard to write a really stupid grub input driver for them if it came to it
[15:20] <ogra_> yeah, just saying, menus arent easy on tablets in console mode :)
[15:21] <ogra_> the annoying thing about switching image models is sadly that flash-kernel is still living off a hardcoded DB without even the capability to override, so it currently can only support one type of booting per device
[15:24] <ogra_> though i guess when we use grub we can completely skip flash-kernel and rely on having the right stuff in /boot
[15:27] <cjwatson> sadly it just moves the goalposts
[15:27] <cjwatson> yes, you don't need to tell uboot where to find the kernel/initramfs
[15:27] <cjwatson> but you do still need to tell it where to find grub
[15:27] <cjwatson> which is an equivalent problem and you'd almost certainly end up using nearly all of the same code
[15:30] <ogra_> well, i wont change the fastboot/u-boot config after install and grub is unlikely to move around, so that part is fine
[15:31] <ogra_> the only thing a user might touch is the cmdline and thats living in grub-land
[15:34] <cjwatson> it won't move around, but the installer still needs to know how to put it in place
[15:34] <cjwatson> and afaics that's still going to involve something that looks startlingly like flash-kernel
[15:41] <ogra_> heh, yes, well, it could just use flash-kernel (or some of its functions)
[15:42] <ogra_> that missing override functionality is definitely a bug i want to fix before release, but its more whishlist than task


[16:32] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:33] <tyhicks> hello
[16:33] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr 27 16:33:24 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:33] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:33] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:33] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:34] <tyhicks> Thanks to Rhonda D'Vine (rhonda) for help on security updates for the community supported wesnoth-1.10 last week. Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:34] <tyhicks> (LP: #1445688)
[16:34] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:35] <tyhicks> jdstrand is busy atm so we'll skip him for now
[16:35] <tyhicks> he can jump in if he frees up
[16:35] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: go ahead
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[16:35] <mdeslaur> Im currently sponsoring ffmpeg
[16:35] <mdeslaur> tomorrow I have patch piloting duties
[16:35] <mdeslaur> I just published a few updates, and I have a couple more to test
[16:36] <mdeslaur> and I completely forgot about the openssl precise update that I started, which I'll look into again
[16:36] <mdeslaur> that's about it form me, sbeattie?
[16:36] <essembe> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:36] <mdeslaur> essembe: INTRUDER!
[16:36] <tyhicks> who's this guy
[16:36] <essembe> oh bah
[16:36] <sarnold> he looks shifty
[16:36] <sbeattie> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:37] <sbeattie> I'm finishing up preparing the trusty apparmor SRU, I just have a couple of snags I hit to smooth out.
[16:38] <sbeattie> And then I'll switch to focusing on the gcc-pie work
[16:38] <sbeattie> I need to look at tyhicks patchset to support systemd, so we can land that work when W opens
[16:38] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me. tyhicks?
[16:39] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: back to your openssl precise update - is that to enable tlsv1.2 by default for clients?
[16:41] <tyhicks> I'm on CVE triage this week
[16:41] <tyhicks> I have a short week and will be off Thursday and Friday
[16:41] <tyhicks> I need to circle back to a number of things that were ignored during the ramp up to the Vivid release
[16:42] <tyhicks> and I want to finish the kernel patches for AppArmor kernel keyring mediation
[16:42] <tyhicks> it would be nice if I could get those patches out for review before Thursday but I'm not sure
[16:42] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:42] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: yes, that's it
[16:42] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:42] <jjohansen> I have a short week this week, I will be off Friday
[16:43] <jjohansen> I have a couple backported CVE kernel fixes to look at and discuss with the kernel team
[16:44] <jjohansen> I also have a couple more apparmor patches to get out to the kernel team, so we can get the fixes into the next round of kernels
[16:44] <jjohansen> bug #1430546
[16:45] <jjohansen> being one of them (sorry I seem to have lost my browser tabs)
[16:46] <tyhicks> no problem
[16:46] <jjohansen> and then its back to the apparmor upstream cleanup. I plan to finish up with the domain transition cleanup/fixes this week (not that I didn't plan on finishing that bit last week :/)
[16:47] <jjohansen> I think that is it from me sarnold you're up
[16:47] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I noticed that a new AA kernel bug came in (LP: #1448912)
[16:48] <jjohansen> tyhicks: oh I hadn't noticed that one, yet. I'll poke at that one too, this week
[16:48] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:49] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahead :)
[16:49] <sarnold> I'm in the happy place this week; I will be working more on openstack updates, and getting the hang of how the different openstack services work, etc.
[16:50] <mdeslaur> sarnold: FYI, I think the updates in the ppa are now out of date, more CVEs came out in the meantime
[16:50] <sarnold> I think I'll poke at the horizon service this week, and try to reproduce one of the issues on serverstack and try to find out if th e issue affects precise or not, and I'd love love love to get an update out the door, but .. thursdays always come so quickly
[16:51] <sarnold> mdeslaur: yes, I think most of those updates are now stale :(
[16:51] <tyhicks> getting an update out this week would be great since you're in the happy place
[16:51] <tyhicks> it is always a little more difficult on cve triage weeks
[16:51] <sarnold> yes
[16:51] <sarnold> so very much yes :)
[16:51] <tyhicks> sarnold: do you plan on updating the packages with the new fixes?
[16:52] <sarnold> tyhicks: I can give it  ashot, I haven't actually looked into the details of any of the fixed packages in the ppa, excepting the one horizon issue
[16:52] <sarnold> .. nor the details of the subsequently discovered CVEs
[16:52] <tyhicks> sarnold: ok, we'll discuss it more in a little bit
[16:53] <sarnold> I may also do some apparmor patch reviews for distraction along the way
[16:53] <sarnold> that's me, chrisccoulson?
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> This week, I need to get chromium out
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I'll also be working through code reviews (my queue is quite large now)
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> And I'm currently looking at a browser crash on the phone
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, it's business as usual (hopefully)
[16:55] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:55] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:56] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:56] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mednafen.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/prewikka.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rt-authen-externalauth.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/forked-daapd.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mc.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:56] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:58] <tyhicks> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[16:58] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 27 16:58:17 2015 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-04-27-16.33.moin.txt
[16:58] <sbeattie> tych0: thanks!
[16:58] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:58] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[16:58] <sbeattie> double bah.
[16:58] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:58] <sbeattie> tych0: sorry.
[16:58] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks
[19:01] <micahg> anyone here to discuss anything at the DMB meeting, if not, we'l reconvene in two weeks since there's nothing on the agenda for today
[19:02] <bdmurray> micahg: have the previous action items been taken care of?
[19:03] <micahg> well, the first one is still out there, the second is done, I just need to send a follow-up message, but my E-Mail client wasn't being helpful before the meeting, I'll send that today


[23:41] <iluminameluna> phunyguy_t430s: ah, sorry, not familiar w/ the Lenovos at all. Just thought it might be an issue ..
[23:41] <x-cloud> ^_^
[23:42] <iluminameluna> ok .. seems as if my "mentor" ActionParsnip has left the building .. I'll be back laters. Take care folks!
[23:43] <phunyguy_t430s> I'm recreating the USB key to try again
[23:43] <Barilise> hello.  can someone point me to a beginner help room please?
[23:43] <x-cloud> I 'm beginner ,too.......
[23:44] <blackvelvet> Can someone please tell me why iCloud.com doesn't work with Chromium?
[23:44] <Stormryder> #linuxminthelp
[23:44] <shojo> it all depends if the helpers online like beginners or don't :) no such room for beginners:P
[23:44] <OerHeks> phunyguy_t430s, maybe something else is problem, check your BIOS to see if there is an option for hdd controller > IDE <> AHCI ? it should be set AHCI to work with linux
[23:44] <k1l_> Stormryder: stop that
[23:45] <Stormryder> why @kll
[23:45] <Barilise> Ok, how about regular help, or is this it?
[23:45] <k1l_> Stormryder: stop that trolling. thats all
[23:45] <k1l_> Barilise: you can ask your questions here.
[23:47] <OerHeks> Barilise, you can ask here, there is also #ubuntu-beginners here @ #freenode
[23:47] <k1l_> Barilise: you can try #ubuntu-beginners . but sice its not very full here atm you can just ask here :)
[23:48] <Barilise> i'm having a lot of trouble installing/running things i've downloaded
[23:48] <manuel3084> hola
[23:49] <MrStein> Is there a bug entry for the vmware problems? (Quantal)
[23:50] <phunyguy_t430s> newbie22... I see Jax in your hostname
[23:50] <k1l_> Barilise: well, first of all you should try to use the programms that come with ubuntu. see inside the repositories first
[23:51] <newbie22> phunyguy_t430s: how can you see that ???
[23:51] <usr13> Barilise: What exactly are you trying to do?
[23:51] <Barilise> i searched and didn't find the programs i was looking for
[23:51] <reportingsjr> Hi, I am trying to restart the ssh server that comes installed in ubuntu, but there is no sshd file in /etc/init.d. What is up with that?
[23:51] <usr13> Barilise: Such as _____________?  (give example)
[23:52] <reportingsjr> ubuntu 12.04* that is
[23:52] <yeats> reportingsjr: try 'sudo restart sshd'
[23:52] <usr13> Barilise: What program(s) do you need?
[23:52] <Barilise> Foldit and Spriter (game, game building tool)
[23:52] <newbie22> phunyguy_t430s: Ok now I know,,,how
[23:52] <k1l_> Barilise: you need to give more informations if you want us to help :)
[23:52] <phunyguy_t430s> PM me
[23:52] <OerHeks> reportingsjr, try "  sudo sevice ssh restart "
[23:52] <yeats> !pm
[23:52] <reportingsjr> yeats: "Unknown job: sshd"
[23:53] <phunyguy_t430s> yeats its not ubuntu related.
[23:53] <yeats> reportingsjr: 'sudo restart ssh'
[23:53] <yeats> phunyguy_t430s: ok
[23:53] <Giulio> Salve non riesco ad installare lubuntu
[23:53] <Giulio> !
[23:53] <reportingsjr> yeats: Nope
[23:53] <reportingsjr> OerHeks: also did not work
[23:54] <yeats> reportingsjr: 'dpkg -l | grep openssh-server'
[23:54] <reportingsjr> ssh does come installed, right?
[23:54] <yeats> reportingsjr: not the server
[23:54] <reportingsjr> The config files are in /etc/ssh
[23:54] <reportingsjr> hmm, I see
[23:54] <usr13> Barilise: Spriter?
[23:54] <yeats> reportingsjr: the client is installed by default
[23:54] <reportingsjr> well, that would be my problem. Thank you guys!
[23:55] <Giulio> scusate il canale italino ?
[23:55] <Barilise> i downloaded the linux version of a game called Foldit.  I then extracted it to my download folder.  It doesn't show up in my Dashboard and I can't open it or run it
[23:55] <k1l_> !it | Giulio
[23:55] <Giulio> grazie
[23:56] <Magiobiwan> Barilise, did you install it?
[23:56] <Magiobiwan> Just because you extract it (I assume by that you mean you un-tarballed it)
[23:57] <Magiobiwan> Doesn't make it installed
[23:57] <Barilise> ah.  what do i have to do to install things?
[23:57] <dt3k> I'm on ubuntu 12.10 and my wireless randomly stopped working.  I've uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers.  I've verified the hardware switch isn't set to off.  I've checked rfkill.  My wireless card still shows under LSPCI as Broadcom BCM4313 802.11b/g/n.  Any idea?
[23:58] <X-warrior> dt3k, try to check the mod, lsmod?
[23:58] <usr13> Barilise: Are you 64bit or 32bit?
[23:58] <phunyguy_t430s> dt3k, I have that same issue on another PC with a USB wifi adapter.  The issue exists in Gentoo as well.  Not sure where to look for a fix but it may be kernel-related.
[23:59] <benedict_> hi, i use ubuntu 12.04 and fluxbox. how can i set pcmanfm as default file manager? i don't have any wizards or hepers installed i think
[23:59] <benedict_> and i don't understand the command update-alternatives


[01:28] <xubuntu55w> hello!
[01:29] <xubuntu55w> It is fine that I select install updates' checkbox during install ubuntu?
[12:31] <tessio> Hello
[12:31] <tessio> Will Xubuntu 16.04 come with Compton by default, like Linux Mint 17.3?
[12:33] <krytarik> tessio: Nope.
[12:35] <tessio> There is any reason for that? People everywhere seems to get rid of tearing with it..
[13:41] <PetrGlad> Hello, is there a straightforward way to share a folder via Samba in Xubuntu?
[16:28] <xubuntu16w> Hi all, I'm trying to set a panel to autohide with xfconf-query, but when I set autohide-behavior value to true, it sets it to intelligent autohide instead. Is there a different parameter to make it always hide?
[17:51] <xubuntu08w> Hi my Xubuntu is taking a loooong time to boot, more than 30 seconds
[17:51] <xubuntu08w> It wasn't like that some days ago
[17:51] <xubuntu08w> Hardware is Dell Inspiron 14R 5421 , Xubuntu version is latest 15.10
[17:51] <xubuntu08w> All updates and upgrades applied
[17:52] <xubuntu08w> I already tried Boot-Repair in a live usb, but the issue remains.
[18:01] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu08w:  have you run   systemd-analyse  ?
[18:02] <well_laid_lawn> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-analyze.html
[19:41] <django_> hey al
[19:41] <django_> all
[19:41] <django_> where is "all settings" in xubuntu
[19:41] <django_> i cant find it
[19:42] <knome> django_, which xubuntu version are you running?
[19:42] <django_> no idea
[19:42] <knome> django_, and i guess you mean the settings manager
[19:42] <django_> i had ubuntu 14.04 then installed xubuntu
[19:42] <knome> django_, then you are running xubuntu 14.04 unless you have upgraded
[19:43] <knome> django_, to make sure, open a terminal and run "lsb_release -a"
[19:43] <django_> 14.04 LTS
[19:43] <django_> knome, my laptop is hot for no reason idk why
[19:43] <django_> i have nvidia dual graphics card laptop
[19:43] <django_> i think thats why
[19:44] <knome> django_, in the menu you will have an item "settings manager"
[19:44] <django_> yeah
[19:44] <knome> well, there you go
[19:45] <django_> knome, http://i.imgur.com/YR2Ufqz.png
[19:45] <django_> it still gets hot :/
[19:45] <django_> im barely even running stuff
[19:53] <xubuntu37w> I went to the Unix stickers site to purchase some xubuntu stickers for my laptop, but they are super expensive. I wouldn't mind paying extra if more was going directly to the project, but the order amounted to just a few cents being donated. Is there anywhere to purchase xubuntu stickers directly from the xubuntu community?
[19:53] <knome> xubuntu37w, the xubuntu team can't make any money out of xubuntu, so nope, not really
[19:54] <knome> xubuntu37w, we are not receiving money from the stickers either; they do send us free stickers when we request though (and enough money has been gathered)
[19:54] <knome> xubuntu37w, we practically give those free stickers away to the community via contests and other stuff
[19:55] <xubuntu37w> Oh, that's kind of a bummer for you guys.
[19:55] <flocculant> xubuntu37w: we do it for love instead
[19:55] <flocculant> sih
[19:55] <flocculant> ish
[19:55] <knome> indeed
[19:56] <xubuntu37w> It just seems that Unix stickers charges way to much for 1 or 2 stickers.
[19:56] <xubuntu37w> *too
[19:56] <xubuntu37w> I'll keep an eye out for future contests and whatnot.
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu37w, they are our officially endorsed vendor, but if you want, you can use any vendor you want and send the xubuntu logo to them yourself
[19:56] <xubuntu37w> That's a good idea, thanks.
[19:57] <knome> xubuntu37w, you can download the brand assets from http://xubuntu.org/resources/ to make sure you are using the most high quality/close to source source
[19:57] <django_> anyone know about Nvidia graphics cards?
[19:57] <django_> which driver to use?
[19:58] <xubuntu37w> Thanks knome
[19:58] <flocculant> django_: depends on the card tbh
[19:58] <knome> xubuntu37w, np. and if you want to return a favor to the team, you can contribute back ;)
[19:58] <django_> flocculant, Nvidia geforce with cuda
[19:58] <xubuntu37w> Of course, I plan on contributing when I can
[19:59] <django_> GeForce GT 550M
[20:00] <flocculant> django_: check in additional drivers - 361 perhaps
[20:00] <django_> flocculant, http://i.imgur.com/YR2Ufqz.png
[20:01] <flocculant> so you're using the driver?
[20:01] <django_> flocculant, yeah but computer still gets hot
[20:02] <flocculant> you could try the 352-updates one
[20:02] <django_> its at 69C and im only using chrome and xchat
[20:02] <django_> actually 74C
[20:04] <flocculant> mmm - not going to be of much help here - I assume this is a laptop
[20:04] <django_> yeah its a laptop
[20:04] <django_> its a really good laptop
[20:04] <django_> but if i run eclipse or android studio it gets got
[20:04] <django_> hot*
[20:11] <django_> flocculant, ill try vacum it
[20:11] <django_> err wront person lol


[03:26] <amosbird> Hi, can I run debuild no clean and no build?
[10:11] <cjwatson> amosbird: What would be left for it to do?
[18:13] <CarlFK> xnox: can we chat about  bug #1807047
[18:13] <CarlFK> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/tree/build/config/amd64/hd-media.cfg  FLOPPY_SIZE = 801792
[18:33] <CarlFK> if I want to submit a patch, ... what do I do?
[18:34] <CarlFK> like is there something like "forking" and Merge Request?


[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:11] <Asad2005_> Will 16.10 support zfs out of the box?
[13:12] <Pici> 16.04 does
[13:12] <Asad2005_> so can i fresh install on a zfs?
[13:13] <Asad2005_> in 16.04 you have to install zfs after install i believe
[13:13] <Pici> Oh hrm.
[13:14] <Asad2005_> I am upgrading my SSD so i need advise wether to fresh install 16.10 or just clone 16.04
[13:24] <k1l> you mean root install on zfs? i dont know.


[00:03] <jono> hey kklimonda
[04:30] <pitti> Good morning
[04:32] <ajmitch> morning pitti
[05:02] <pitti> RAOF, SpamapS, slangasek, cjwatson, ScottK: FYI, I switched queuediff's default release to precise
[05:43] <fossilet> Hello.
[05:44] <fossilet> What is the procedure to propose a certain package update after precise release?
[05:45] <fossilet> Is it just file a bug in Launchpad?
[05:45] <micahg> !sponsorship | fossilet
[05:47] <fossilet> It is updated recently in debian sid,  may later into testing.
[05:47] <fossilet> I suppose this update will not be synced to precise automatically, right?
[05:48] <fossilet> I have to upload it and find someone to sponsor it to the master archive?
[05:48] <micahg> fossilet: if it's unchanged in Ubuntu, it'll be autosync'd for quantal
[05:48] <micahg> fossilet: which package?
[05:48] <fossilet> 4digits
[05:49] <fossilet> Because the version in precise has a severe bug.
[05:49] <micahg> fossilet: you could run requestsync -e now if you want, unseeded universe is open for another 6 hours
[05:52] <fossilet> I still have time?
[05:53] <fossilet> wiki says 1.5 days before
[05:53] <fossilet> final release
[05:53] <fossilet> unseeded means not on cd/dvd?
[05:53] <micahg> fossilet: yes, that's 12:00 UTC today :), right now it's 06:00
[05:53]  * micahg still has at least one more upload
[05:54] <fossilet> so precise timing
[05:55] <fossilet> micahg,  Can you help me run that command? I have no ubuntu now. And after home, I may be later?
[05:55] <fossilet> late*
[05:55] <micahg> fossilet: do you have a launchpad account?
[05:55] <fossilet> yes
[05:56] <fossilet> fossilet
[05:56] <micahg> fossilet: can you log in and edit the description for the reason for the new version?
[05:56] <fossilet> where
[05:56] <micahg> launchpad
[05:56] <fossilet> edit where?
[05:56] <micahg> in the bug I'm about to file ;)
[05:57] <fossilet> ok
[05:57] <micahg> fossilet: actually looks like it's all bug fix, I"m syncing it now
[05:57] <fossilet> yup,
[05:58] <fossilet> This process does need some previlige?
[05:58] <RAOF> Hey, are we expecting to VT switch on suspend?
[05:58] <micahg> fossilet: requestsync doesn't (just ubuntu-dev-tools installed), syncing the package requires upload rights (which I just did)
[05:59] <fossilet> micahg, Thank you=)
[05:59] <micahg> fossilet: you're welcome
[06:01] <fossilet> micahg, one more question. Is precise still autosynced with debian testing even after release?
[06:02] <micahg> fossilet: no, new package versions will only go into quantal, these can be backported to precise if new features are needed (with the appropriate testing, see requestbackport script for more info), or fixes can be cherry picked and SRUd  (Stable Release Update) to precise
[06:03] <fossilet> what is quantal?
[06:03] <micahg> 12.10
[06:03] <fossilet> Oh, you even know that
[06:04] <fossilet> top secret
[06:04] <micahg> fossilet: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1121
[06:04] <fossilet> not a animal!
[06:06] <fossilet> Oh
[06:06] <StevenK> Qantal is the codename
[06:06] <micahg> Quetzal is certainly an animal of sorts
[06:08] <fossilet> ya
[06:09] <slangasek> "Quantal" - it's not named after your national airline ;P
[06:10] <slangasek> RAOF: "vt switch on suspend" - no, but I think we still put the VT into text mode?
[06:10] <StevenK> slangasek: Bleh :-(
[06:10] <slangasek> :)
[06:10] <micahg> slangasek: well, if the blog title "Quality had a new name" was satirical ;)
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:53] <RAOF> slangasek: Reading the pm-utils scripts, it seems that we do still chvt to 63?
[06:53] <RAOF> Maybe?
[06:55] <RAOF> slangasek: I ask because if we *do* VT switch on suspend then bug #968845 is a whole lot easier to solve.
[07:09] <speakman> Hi folks. I'm about to fix #968845 but I'm not sure how to handle patches in <srcdir>/debian/patches/. Are there any documents how to do it?
[07:09] <pitti> speakman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems documents the most common patch systems we have
[07:10] <speakman> pitti: thanks alot!
[07:14] <speakman> hmm... trying to build precies packages on oneric wasn't that very smart... How can I revert "sudo apt-get build-dep xxx"?
[07:15] <RAOF> speakman: Have your root filesystem on btrfs, be using apt-btrfs-snapshot, and do a rollback? :)
[07:15] <speakman> RAOF: I wish! ;)
[07:15] <micahg> speakman: run sudo mk-build-deps -i -r and uninstall?
[07:16] <RAOF> speakman: Presumably you've added precise sources to your sources.list in order to grab the needed versions of the build-deps?
[07:16] <micahg> you have to run that in the source dir
[07:17] <speakman> RAOF: I bzr branch'ed the package I was gonna fix and it (of course) lacked build dependencies. Just did "sudo apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-input-synaptics" totally forgetting I was on Oneric (It's my home computer running Precise). :)
[07:18] <RAOF> Oh, then that's easy; micahg's command will work.
[07:18] <speakman> micahg: thanks, it created a xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-build-deps package, installed it and then removed it. Free'd 36,9 kB.
[07:18] <micahg> well, the only issue is if the initial install marked the packages as manual
[07:19] <RAOF> I was thinking that you'd installed precise packages on oneiric to satisfy some build-deps; that's a different kettle of fish.
[07:19] <speakman> I could go into apt log and remove manually of course.
[07:20] <micahg> speakman: means there's a build dep conflict (not surprising on oneiric), you can run lesspipe on the deb (get rid of the -i and sudo even) and see what you need to remove
[07:20] <micahg> speakman: be careful and what the removal output that it doesn't try to remove half your system or X or something
[08:25] <hyperair> any ubuntu-sru and ubuntu-release around? bug #981856 needs a sponsor
[08:25] <hyperair> er i meant ubuntu-sru and ubuntu-sponsors (main)
[08:30] <micahg> hyperair: you just need a core-dev or desktopper to upload
[08:30] <hyperair> yeah
[08:30] <speakman> sorry, but what's a "sponsor"?
[08:30] <hyperair> that's right.
[08:30] <hyperair> speakman: someone with upload privileges and willing to review packages for upload
[08:30] <speakman> Thanks
[08:31] <hyperair> speakman: while anyone can contribute to ubuntu, not everyone can directly upload into the archive. so people who don't have upload access to ubuntu require sponsors to review their contributions and upload them into ubuntu
[08:31] <speakman> Thanks I see
[08:33] <dholbach> and once you've worked with sponsors for a while and you gained their trust and some experience, you can apply for upload rights yourself :)
[08:34]  * speakman having a hard time just making a package install a script into /etc/pm/sleep.d/ :p
[08:35] <speakman> Should I make a patch which modifies Makefile.am to install the file, or should the debian/rules install it? It's a workaround for touchpads to be rmmod'ed and instantly insmod'ed after sleep: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/968845
[08:36] <speakman> Ubuntu on MacBook Air is really unusable in the current state :(
[08:36] <hyperair> speakman: that depends on whether this should go upstream
[08:37] <hyperair> if the script is ubuntu-specific, then just drop something in debian/package-name.install
[08:37] <dholbach> @pilot in
[08:37] <hyperair> (and include the script in debian/
[08:38] <hyperair> speakman: if other distributions can benefit from the patch, you should amend Makefile.am to install the script, and send the patch upstream
[08:39] <dholbach> hyperair, regarding the glib-networking fix - I just had a look at the SRU procedure - do you think you could add a test-case to the bug description?
[08:39] <hyperair> dholbach: hmm okay.
[08:40] <speakman> hyperair: I think it's a quick workaround for now. It seems like no one really knows where the bug is. Re-inserting the bcm driver at least makes it work. It's a pure workaround but I don't the Precise should release without it (unless the real bug is fixed).
[08:43] <Laney> speakman: I've been interested in that bug too, and was going to do the patch (but since I didn't I'm glad you are). Just put it in debian/ and then reference it in debian/package-name.install as hyperair said.
[08:45] <RAOF> speakman: You should be aware that I've *probably* got a better fix for that bug.
[08:45] <Laney> yeah?
[08:45] <RAOF> Allow me to reboot, and check precise-proposed.
[08:46] <speakman> Laney: I was about to do it, but forgot I was on Oneric here at work. My MBA running Precise is at home. :)
[08:46] <speakman> RAOF: that would be awesome!
[08:48] <dholbach> can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~kroq-gar78/ubuntu/precise/scala/fix-987561/+merge/103191 based on my comment?
[08:49] <stgraber> dholbach: looking
[08:49] <dholbach> thanks stgraber
[08:50] <stgraber> dholbach: done
[08:50] <dholbach> merci beaucoup
[08:51] <RAOF> Laney, speakman: You can snaffle the source from the Unapproved queue; feel free to test it :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=
[08:51] <Laney> If I'd have known then I would have taken my laptop to work :P
[08:52] <Laney> still, nice. thanks!
[08:52] <dholbach> slangasek, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/987502 sru material or something we should just fix through a merge from Debian in quantal?
[08:55] <dholbach> or a sync rather - nice
[09:01] <hyperair> dholbach: okay, i've put a test case into bug #981856
[09:01] <dholbach> thanks a lot hyperair - I'll take a look
[09:08] <speakman> RAOF: Looks great! How to inform the bug report subscribers it's about to be solved?
[09:08] <dholbach> hyperair, good work on the patch - it works :)
[09:09] <RAOF> speakman: That works correctly for you, then?  Next time someone who isn't me goes through the SRU queue it'll get a request-to-test on the bug.
[09:11] <speakman> RAOF: Sorry, I've got my MBA at home and can't test right now. I just went through the code changes and the original bug report at redhat and so on. I could go fetch my MBA in a few hours though. How do I get your proposed update? Just enable "Precise Proposed Updates" in the Software Souce settings?
[09:12] <RAOF> speakman: Yes, but only once it's actually *in* proposed; it needs to be accepted by an SRU team member.
[09:13] <speakman> Ok, I see! I'm not very familiar with the Ubuntu release path, but I'm learning  :)
[09:24] <speakman> Any idea where to get in touch with the utouch developers? (that's the folks working on multi touch gestures and stuff on Ubuntu right?)
[09:48] <speakman> RAOF: pitti just accepted your update and commented in bug report. Great! Will test as soon as it's available. :)
[09:50] <hyperair> dholbach: great, thanks =)
[09:50] <dholbach> anytime :)
[09:52] <pitti> anyone here familiar with Chinese Ubuntu? ArneGoetje, freeflying?
[09:52] <pitti> the Chinese image is oversized by 9 MB
[09:53] <pitti> based on this, our options are to remove one of: ttf-wqy-zenhei (we already ship microhei), ibus-table-wubi (we already ship sunpinyin), or libreoffice-help-zh-cn
[09:53] <pitti> what would hurt least?
[09:53] <pitti> note that a network install will pull these in, but not if you install offline, and it's also an issue for the live session
[09:56] <dholbach> dpm, ^ who could help out with pitti's question?
[10:00] <dpm> dholbach, pitti, I cannot help with this. I can ask on #ubuntu-cn-translators, but I'm not sure there is someone knowledgeable on fonts
[10:00] <pitti> I was hoping that freeflying is still online
[10:00] <pitti> happyaron isn't unfortunately
[10:02] <freeflying> pitti: anything I can help?
[10:03] <pitti> freeflying: I had a question 10 minutes ago here; I can re-post if you need
[10:03] <pitti> freeflying: hey, how are you?
[10:03] <freeflying> pitti: good, thanks
[10:03]  * freeflying scrolling back
[10:04] <freeflying> pitti: ttf-wqy-zenhei and sunpin can be dropped
[10:05] <pitti> freeflying: oh, so the android pinyin db is "good enough"?
[10:05] <pitti> freeflying: it's actually enough to drop just one of these, i. e. zenhei or wubi or sunpinyin
[10:05] <pitti> sunpinyin is biiig (20 MB), so dropping that would leave lots of room even
[10:07] <freeflying> pitti: the best pinyin is ibus-googlepinyin
[10:07] <freeflying> pitti: its footprint is much smaller than sunpinyin
[10:08] <pitti> freeflying: ah, that's in universe, so a little late for precise
[10:08] <pitti> freeflying: but we should get that into main in quantal then, and drop sunpinyin back to universe?
[10:08] <pitti> and use it on the Chinese images
[10:09] <pitti> freeflying: so dropping ttf-wqy-zenhei would be bearable?
[10:09] <freeflying> pitti: sure, since microhei is already there
[10:09] <pitti> freeflying: ok, many thanks!
[10:09] <freeflying> pitti: drop both sunpinyin and microhei will be fine
[10:10] <pitti> freeflying: does sunpinyin actually get in the way? we don't need to drop it
[10:10]  * pitti would rather make minimal changes now, we just need to fix the oversizedness
[10:11] <freeflying> pitti: I doubt how many people use it in real world, since googlepinyin has been in place for a while
[11:27] <dholbach> slangasek, there's a number of other multiarch requests in the sponsoring queue - what's your take? are they SRU material?
[13:04] <tsdgeos> ahasenack: ping
[13:04] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: hey
[13:04] <tsdgeos> ahasenack: did you get the unity-2d crash again? and if not did you get the debug line of the code we added?
[13:05] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: neither, but I could have missed the debug line
[13:05] <tsdgeos> i see
[13:05] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: as the crash is by itself quite noticeable
[13:05] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: still running in gdb in a terminal, and with the patch in place
[13:05] <tsdgeos> would you say that without the line would have crashed before in this time you've been using it?
[13:05] <tsdgeos> i.e. what was the average crashing time?
[13:05] <tsdgeos> hours? days? weeks?
[13:05] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: 2 days I would say
[13:06] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: meaning, I wouldn't go past 2 days without a crash
[13:06] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: can that log line be made a WARNING or ERROR?
[13:06] <tsdgeos> and you've been running it for 2, 3 days, right?
[13:06] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: yes
[13:07] <tsdgeos> ahasenack: well, you can change the contents of between the quotes freely
[13:07] <ahasenack> tsdgeos: sure, I was thinking about the colors :)
[13:07] <tsdgeos> feel free to put something long and with lots of caps there to make it easier to notice
[13:07] <tsdgeos> nah, don't think can do that
[13:08] <ahasenack> ok
[13:31] <dholbach> @pilot out
[13:31]  * ogra_ hugs dholbach
[13:31]  * dholbach hugs ogra_ back :)
[13:38] <speakman>  How often is Ubuntu mirrors syncing?
[13:39] <cjwatson> it'll vary; #ubuntu-mirrors should have detail
[13:40] <speakman> thanks!
[13:40] <cjwatson> the master updates every half an hour, I vaguely recall hearing at some point that most were four hours, but I could be out of date
[13:51] <cyphermox> @pilot in
[14:22] <speakman> RAOF: Bad news, the mousepad now works after S3 but it's also scrolling the page while moving the cursor. I've enabled two-finger scroll fyi.
[14:33] <pitti> speakman: can you please report this at the bug, so that it becomes verification-failed? thanks for testing!
[14:35] <speakman> pitti: already did, and just replaced verification-needed with verification-failed
[14:35] <pitti> thanks
[14:36] <speakman> thanks for working with the bug :)
[14:44] <speakman> If there's anything else I can do, please tell me.
[15:23] <mneptok> is there a doily build Yoda in the house?
[15:23] <mneptok> err ...
[15:23] <mneptok> "daily." my wife does crochet. she can help with doilies.
[15:32] <slangasek> RAOF: hmm, ok, it looks like we do still chvt switch, yes
[15:32] <slangasek> dholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/987502 isn't SRU material, no
[15:32] <dholbach> slangasek, and the other multiarch bugs in the sponsoring queue?
[15:33] <slangasek> I haven't seen what's there
[15:33] <slangasek> what's the best link for looking at the sponsoring queue?  firefox recently dumped my awesomebar cache :P
[15:33] <dholbach> 978228, 890928, 977940, 977952, 987502
[15:33] <dholbach> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[15:48] <dholbach> slangasek, if you could comment on them that'd be very nice :)
[15:50] <slangasek> dholbach: several of those are candidates for SRU into precise, but I don't have time to comment on them currently; they're likely to be non-trivial
[15:51] <dholbach> hum - my pilot shift is over, but I wasn't sure which of these constitute SRU material and which don't
[15:51] <dholbach> I guess I'll just leave them for somebody else then
[15:52] <slangasek> the only one that's probably not SRU-worthy is libpaper
[16:33] <bdmurray> pitti: could you look at an sru for bug 987383?
[16:35] <bdmurray> mvo: could you look at bug 966474?
[17:03] <BenC> Anyone familiar enough with debian-installer to know how to add a source for udeb's in addition to the normal sources.list (for custom kernel udeb's)
[17:04] <BenC> I've already built with a custom kernel, but it doesn't know to look for the udeb's at my custom apt archive
[17:04] <cjwatson> build/sources.list.udeb.local is the easy way
[17:04] <cjwatson> if you start a build and then copy build/sources.list.udeb to that, you can customise from there
[17:05] <cjwatson> (or 'make -C build sources.list.udeb')
[17:06] <BenC> cjwatson: ah, thanks
[17:07] <BenC> cjwatson: so that will become part of the installer itself?
[17:08] <cjwatson> hm?
[17:10] <BenC> cjwatson: I want the resulting installer to know to use add my entry to sources.list for when it tries to install the kernel udeb during the install
[17:10] <cjwatson> that's handled separately I'm afraid
[17:10] <BenC> s/udeb/deb/
[17:10] <cjwatson> you can preseed it in apt-setup/local0/repository et al (see the installation guide, there's a little more and I forget the precise details)
[17:11] <cjwatson> build/sources.list.udeb* just controls the installer build system itself
[17:12] <BenC> Ah, ok, I'll check that then
[17:12] <BenC> Thanks
[19:24] <robbiew> cjohnston: ping
[19:24] <cjohnston> robbiew: sir?
[19:25] <robbiew> cjohnston: quick question, if summit grabs a blueprint and schedules it
[19:25] <robbiew> then we rename the blueprint
[19:25] <cjohnston> ::headdesk::
[19:25] <robbiew> does the older entry go away?
[19:25] <robbiew> lol
[19:25] <robbiew> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20388/servercloud-q-swift-replacement/
[19:25] <robbiew> can you delete this?>
[19:25] <cjohnston> does that answer yourquestion?
[19:25] <cjohnston> yup
[19:25] <robbiew> thx
[19:25] <cjohnston> np
[19:25]  * robbiew keeps that in mind for the future
[19:25] <cjohnston> it is supposed to
[19:26] <robbiew> yeah...I thought it used to
[19:26] <cjohnston> but hey.. we got summit stable, but we can't do everything all at one
[19:26] <cjohnston> once
[19:26] <cjohnston> lol
[19:26] <robbiew> no worries
[19:28] <cjohnston> its on our radar.. I tried getting Daviey to do it..heh
[19:47] <jeinor> probably a stupid question, but: can I get hold of the probably-will-soon-be release images for precise today? or will they be released exactly on the date?
[20:23] <astraljava> jeinor: Release Candidates are being tested right now, of course you can get a hold of them.
[20:24] <astraljava> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com will help you there.
[20:31] <jeinor> will the RC differ in any way to the final release (if we pretend there will be no critical issues blocking the rc to be the release)?
[20:31] <jeinor> what I am asking is: will I have to make another upgrade/reinstall when the final version is released?
[20:32] <ScottK> jeinor: The images we have now may be the final images.  We don't know.  Even if we have to redo them though, you won't have to reinstall.  It'd just be a few package updates, the same as you get from time to time post release.
[20:39] <jeinor> ScottK, good news! I'm way to impatient to wait until thursday :)
[20:42] <jeinor> Is it the images called beta2? Can't find any named rc
[20:45] <ScottK> They aren't named RC.
[20:45] <ScottK> Look on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:45] <sladen> jeinor: eg. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:46] <jeinor> thanks
[20:57] <cyphermox> @pilot out
[21:06] <azert> hello there
[21:07] <azert> any ubuntu version for armel ?
[21:08] <ScottK> lamont: Looking at http://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.postfix.user/cutoff=229255 I'm thinking we'll want a microversion update of postfix sooner rather than later.
[21:09] <lamont> some days, I hate ssl
[21:09] <dupondje> superm1: thanks for the rfkill patch :)
[21:09] <azert> anyone there ?
[21:09] <superm1> dupondje: sure :)
[21:09] <lamont> buehler
[21:10] <dupondje> Seems to work on a XPS L502X also
[21:10] <ScottK> lamont: Are there days you don't?
[21:11] <ScottK> The only days I don't are the ones where it's been abstracted away from me having to care about it.
[21:11] <lamont> ScottK: days when I'm sending email, and not working on postfix
[21:11] <ScottK> Right.  Email is hard.
[21:11] <lamont> lets go shopping
[21:12] <ScottK> Well, on spfbis (IETF working group ML) today one of the RFC 821/822 co-authors was having trouble sending mail.
[21:13] <lamont> well, I have this opinion about spf...
[21:13] <ScottK> I know.
[21:14] <ScottK> The point wasn't where, but who.
[21:14] <lamont> azert: the first ubuntu armel version I had was 9.04... I wouldn't recommend going that far back though... the current 11.10 bits are good, 12.04 are even better, albeit not quite out yet
[21:14] <lamont> ScottK: and the sympathy nonexistant. :D
[21:14] <lamont> oh.  this is an 821/822 author, not an spf author?
[21:14] <azert> where i can down load it ? lamont
[21:15] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:15] <lamont> azert: I'd prolly start at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[21:16] <lamont> azert: but it's more of a #ubuntu question than a #ubuntu-devel question


[07:24] <Kilos> morning all
[07:26] <Symmetria> morning
[07:26] <trender> morning
[07:27] <Cantide> hello :)
[07:37] <Symmetria> heh the economy was only 22k
[07:37] <Kilos> massive diffs hey
[07:37] <Symmetria> yeah
[07:37] <Symmetria> heh travelling in the "developed world" isnt terribly expensive, but the moment you wanan go to out of the way places, it gets crazy
[07:37] <Symmetria> I mean, the hotel fees in africa are nuts for example
[07:37] <Symmetria> decent hotel in kenya will start at like $300 a night and go upwards of $500
[07:41] <Kilos> ouch
[07:41] <Kilos> rough it then the savings can buy lekker pc stuff
[07:42] <Kilos> like what can the business peeps get extra
[07:57] <Symmetria> heh a seat that turns into a bed
[07:57] <Symmetria> ;p
[07:57] <Symmetria> its all about being able to be comfortable
[07:57] <Symmetria> lol
[07:57] <Symmetria> its not worth it though
[07:58] <Kilos> nope
[07:58] <Kilos> rather stay awake or sleep uncomfy for one sleep for 100k
[08:10] <Cantide> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/06/progress-on-ubuntu-touch-for-phones-demoed this looks good :)
[08:10]  * Cantide agrees with Kilos about the R100K sleep
[08:11] <Kilos> lol
[08:14] <magespawn> good day all
[08:15] <Kilos> hello magespawn
[08:19] <magespawn> How is i going in ubuntu-za?
[08:22] <magespawn> s/i/it
[08:22] <Kilos> quiet lad
[08:22] <Kilos> too cold to chat looks like
[08:25] <magespawn> Maybe to cold for cell signal.
[08:25] <Kilos> lol
[08:25] <magespawn> Too even
[08:25] <magespawn> Brain is off line
[08:25] <Kilos> you on the fone thing
[08:25] <magespawn> Yup
[08:26] <Kilos> eish
[08:26] <Kilos> in bed?
[08:28] <magespawn> No not really, had a bit of a heat wave yesterday, now a bit cooler, but still in shorts.
[08:28] <magespawn> So sitting on the bed.
[08:28] <Kilos> lekker
[08:33] <magespawn> One of the advantages to living in KZN.
[08:34] <Kilos> lol
[08:34]  * Kilos jealous
[08:34] <Kilos> really miss them heat waves
[08:36] <magespawn> I have thought that this part of KZN is not that good to work in, but very nice for a holiday or retirement.
[08:38] <Kilos> ya hot to work in at times
[08:40] <magespawn> Work up there in summer, here in winter, that would be the way to swing it.
[08:40] <Kilos> yeah
[08:41] <Kilos> but these peeps complain when its hot here
[08:41] <Kilos> must have mexican blood
[08:41] <Kilos> all wanna siesta in the heat
[08:49] <magespawn> The heat i can handle, the humidty is something else
[08:51] <Kilos> one should get used to it
[09:00] <magespawn> I just never seem to adjust, wife loves it here though
[09:01] <Kilos> northen natal is lekker
[09:03] <magespawn> I find myself missing funny things though, city stuff
[09:04] <Kilos> aw
[09:04] <Kilos> i hate cities
[09:04] <Kilos> too much bad stuff nowadays
[09:17] <Symmetria> heh I think for me it depends on the city
[09:17] <Symmetria> Nairobi is awesome if you could remove the damn traffic
[09:17] <Symmetria> (Nairobi traffic is *insane*)
[09:20] <magespawn> Is that not the worst part of most cities?
[09:20] <Symmetria> magespawn well, lol, see after you spent time in nairobi most other places dont seem to have traffic ;p
[09:21] <Symmetria> Nairobi, Dar Es Salaam, Cairo, Lagos, Rome are 4 places where the traffic will drive you insane
[09:21] <Symmetria> oh 5 places haha
[09:21] <Symmetria> and Nairobi is probably at the top of those lists
[09:22] <Symmetria> thoguh even the traffic in mombasa last week was pretty bad
[09:22] <Symmetria> ;p and if you think south african minibus taxis drive badly hahaha wait till you get to Nairobi and see their version of the minibus taxis (called Matatus)
[09:25] <magespawn> I understand the paris traffic is also a bit insane
[09:26] <Cantide> subways help a lot :)
[09:28] <magespawn> Thats the other thing about africa at the moment very few reliable mass transport systems
[09:29] <Cantide> yeah
[09:29] <Cantide> i can't imagine Seoul without the subway
[09:29] <Cantide> would be crazy to have 20 million people in there without it
[09:30] <Cantide> at least we've started with the Gautrain
[09:30] <Cantide> but we need a lot more than that
[09:30] <Cantide> we need high speed rail between JHB, DBN and CT
[09:30] <Cantide> and a subway in each city
[09:40] <magespawn> Yup and the problem with most of the sa rail system is that it is narrow gauge
[09:40] <Cantide> yeah
[09:40] <Cantide> so it can't be upgraded easily
[09:40] <Cantide> also, i'd catch the train here in Durban if it were safer
[09:41] <Cantide> they need to put security on the coaches
[09:42] <magespawn> It will come in time
[09:42] <Cantide> too slow unfortunately
[09:42] <Cantide> decent rail infrastructure would be a massive boost
[09:42] <Cantide> but government is taking too long -.-
[09:42] <magespawn> They always do
[09:43] <magespawn> More interested in their own pockets for one
[09:46] <Kilos> hehe
[09:47] <Kilos> will cost big bucks and lotsa work to tunnel under all the cities
[09:47] <Kilos> and all the cave ins
[09:48] <Kilos> you are better off there magespawn
[09:49] <kbmonkey> hello
[09:49] <Maaz> kbmonkey: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell kbmonkey http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11881" 1 day, 22 hours, 5 minutes and 2 seconds ago
[09:49] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[09:49] <kbmonkey> thanks Maaz I got that message last night
[09:49] <Kilos> haha
[09:49] <kbmonkey> thank Kilos for that ;)
[09:49] <Kilos> yw
[09:49] <Kilos> hope it helps you
[09:49] <kbmonkey> it is very interesting
[09:50] <kbmonkey> very windy today!
[09:53] <Kilos> here too
[09:55] <magespawn> Looks like all over
[10:01] <kbmonkey> this is a public service announcement about the dangers of drugs: http://youtu.be/sHzdsFiBbFc
[11:04] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[11:05] <Kilos> send some summer
[11:05] <nlsthzn> alo...
[11:05] <nlsthzn> sure, we seem to have enough for three countries
[11:06] <Kilos> lol
[11:09] <kbmonkey> hello nlsthzn
[11:09] <kbmonkey> winter is nice because soup is too!
[11:09] <Kilos> lol
[11:11] <nlsthzn> hiya kbmonkey :)
[11:11]  * nlsthzn doesn't like soup
[11:12] <Kilos> hehe
[11:24] <nlsthzn> this has been a hectic week-end... just basically got back from Dubai... was awesome...:p
[11:28] <Kilos> cool
[11:35] <Kilos> when does your daughter arrive nlsthzn ?
[11:37] <nlsthzn> the date for her arrival has been accelerated and she flies this coming Thursday night (that has put a lot of pressure on me to get her VISA done ASAP) which is why I am off to Abu Dhabi again tomorrow morning
[11:38] <Kilos> ah
[11:49] <Symmetria> hrm, how do I take a screenshot in linux again
[11:49] <Symmetria> the easy fast way ;p
[11:50] <nlsthzn> :p
[11:50] <kbmonkey> scrot
[11:50] <Symmetria> god I love USB-3 + SSD btw
[11:50] <kbmonkey> print-screen button?  Well hope you feel better soon ;)
[16:07] <Kilos> haha ty flu seems to be breaking thank heavens
[16:44] <Squirm> lo
[16:45] <Kilos> lo Squirm
[17:39] <Kilos> hi psy Xethron Trixar_za
[17:39] <Kilos> gonna friz here tonight
[17:39] <Kilos> -1°c expected
[17:40] <magespawn> good evening
[17:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:43] <Kilos> send heat man
[17:44] <magespawn> would do, but i am a bit out at the moment
[17:44] <Kilos> aw
[18:05] <inetpro> good evening
[18:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:05] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:05] <Kilos> ons vrek vanaand en more
[18:05] <magespawn> evening inetpro
[18:05] <inetpro> eish, baie koud!
[18:07] <inetpro> superfly: surely you must be home now?
[18:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I wed jou hy is nou poegaai
[18:07] <inetpro> ai!
[18:08] <Kilos> lol hy was gisteraand hier
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ek wed jou hy is nou poegaai
[18:08] <Kilos> ya must go to work to recover
[18:10] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[18:10] <psychicist> hi magespawn
[18:10] <psychicist> hi inetpro
[18:11] <inetpro> hello psychicist
[18:11] <psychicist> I'm running Kubuntu off an external USB 3.0 drive, it works great
[18:11] <Kilos> cool
[18:11] <trender> thats a neat party trick
[18:12] <Kilos> the install iso or a full install to external?
[18:12] <trender> im running win7 of a resord player
[18:12] <trender> record
[18:12] <psychicist> it's a full install
[18:13] <Kilos> nice
[18:13] <psychicist> so I don't have to touch the internatl hard drive, which contains windows
[18:13] <psychicist> but I will only have to touch that at work, at home I can use my own software
[18:14] <Kilos> ah
[18:16] <magespawn> hey psychicist
[19:39] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:25] <magespawn> good night all
[20:25] <psychicist> good night magespawn
[20:26] <Squirm> night
[21:13] <trender> yo maaz you awake ?
[21:13] <trender> maaz wakeup
[21:13] <Maaz> trender: Sorry...


[00:25] <ball> How do I enable sshd?
[00:26] <ball> I should read the manual.
[00:29] <ball> Is the manual new?
[00:31] <tomreyn> ball: the package to install is called openssh-server. installing it will automatically enable the service. this is the ubuntu server manual, but it will also apply here: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openssh
[00:38] <tomreyn> you can see here when pages of the manual published at https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable were last updated: https://github.com/lubuntu-team/manual/tree/stable/source
[00:39] <tomreyn> they target lubuntu 23.04, so they should be up to date (even if not changed recently).
[00:44] <ball> Thanks tomreyn
[00:49] <ball> Does Lubuntu ship with a utility that will display the CPU temperature?
[01:04] <tomreyn> ball: you can use lm-sensors for this. there are also desktop integrations for it.
[01:06] <ball> Thanks.  I just got his game installed so now I'm about to try a controller thing.
[03:36] <ball> That works.
[03:36] <ball> Goodnight all!  o/