[00:42] <tsimonq2> **Current [build step](https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Building-from-source#Compiling):** III
[00:48] <tsimonq2> libfm-qt is choo chooing right now, will check back once I get the symbols whining
[00:48] <tsimonq2> get it... CI train... anyone...
[00:48] <tsimonq2> anyway
[00:48] <tsimonq2> going afk for a bit, but y'all know I'll be back :)
[00:49] <tsimonq2> also is it just me or are Matrix reactions the best thing ever? #definitelyshouldcompletelyswitchustoMatrix
[00:50] <kc2bez[m]> Telegram tries but it isn't the same.
[00:50] <tsimonq2> Nowhere near.
[00:50] <tsimonq2> I definitely think teward should set up a Matrix instance for us. :P
[00:51] <tsimonq2> or for Ubuntu
[00:51] <tsimonq2> ubuntu.com I'd love that
[00:51] <teward> I definitely think that someone should **pay me** for the infra
[00:51] <teward> if it's going to be for ubuntu.com
[00:51] <tsimonq2> fair enough
[00:51] <tsimonq2> also hi
[00:51] <tsimonq2> I know we have business
[00:51] <tsimonq2> getting there
[00:51]  * tsimonq2 throws 10 gallons of coffee on teward
[00:51] <teward> i also definitely think SOMEONE should pay me before I do anything more for them :P
[00:52] <teward> *accidentally erases the emails of Simon* ooooops?
[00:52] <tsimonq2> true true
[00:52] <tsimonq2> also
[00:52] <tsimonq2> working on it
[00:53] <teward> *goes to bother Canonical IS some more*
[00:53] <tsimonq2> g_uiverc, l_eok, and a_rraybolt should def come on Matrix :P you too teward
[00:55] <tsimonq2> s390x already failed. Love to see it...
 I see I'm not invited :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> g_uiverc, l_eok, and a_rraybolt should def come on Matrix :P you too teward)
[00:56] <teward> s390x is evil and we know it's Simon's fault
 XD (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <teward> s390x is evil and we know it's Simon's fault)
[00:56] <kc2bez[m]> Come on in N0um3n0 the water is warm.
[00:57] <kc2bez[m]> XD
 Jajajaj
[00:58] <tsimonq2> come on :D
[01:02] <tsimonq2> In case anyone is actually pulling the trigger, it's #lubuntu-devel:libera.chat
[01:05] <tsimonq2> Just waiting on RISC-V to do symbols, and from the looks of it (per last build time) we're talking another 30 minutes. Lovely.
[01:06] <tsimonq2> Time for me to go afk for a bit, for real
[01:19] <arraybolt3> I can't see reactions here on IRC.
[01:19]  * arraybolt3 tells teward and tsimonq2 to go eat a donut and calm down
[01:19] <tsimonq2> Exactly. Come to the dark side. :)
[01:20] <teward> this is just typical behavior for me and simon when we snipe at eaceh other :P
[01:20] <arraybolt3> NEVER!
[01:20]  * arraybolt3 switches on lightsaber
[01:20] <kc2bez[m]> Just on Matrix. Replies are nicer too.
[01:20]  * arraybolt3 throws lightsaber at teward
[01:20] <teward> *catches the lightsaber*
[01:20] <teward> *takes out the Kyber crystal, and adds it to the kyber beam rifle he's building*
[01:21]  * arraybolt3 exit stage left, good luck Simon
[01:21] <teward> that's crystal number... four... so i need... one more...
[01:21]  * tsimonq2 reacts to that on Matrix
[01:21] <arraybolt3> OK well I'll check out Matrix. I've looked into it a bit, sounds cool.
[01:26] <arraybolt3> Which Matrix client should I use? Element looks like it isn't totally FOSS at first glance, I'm on KDE desktop if it matters.
[01:26] <teward> the SimonSucks client.  *shot*
[01:26] <teward> okay i'm going to go offline, i need rest.
[01:27] <teward> (this is also normal for me and simon :P)
[01:27] <arraybolt3> I know that, I was just joining the fun.
[01:27] <teward> yep yep :)
[01:27] <teward> *offlines for sleep*
 Me too , 3:28 am...
 "Which Matrix client should I use..." <- 100% FOSS
[01:52] <tsimonq2> Element
[01:57] <arraybolt3> OK, nice! I was scared away with words like "personal" in the free version.
[02:00] <tsimonq2> All good :) see you on the Matrix side!
[02:30] <arraybolt3[m]> GOOD GRIEF! OK, that was a lot of legal documents to sort through, but I'm finally here.
[02:33] <arraybolt3> (arraybolt3[m] is me, just so everyone knows someone didn
[02:33] <arraybolt3> didn't hijack my name.)
[03:53] <tsimonq2> Good to see you :)
 ok good.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> guiverc @Leokolb: If you guys watch Discourse, let's streamline all the testing I'm about to ask for there ;))
[14:40] <tsimonq2> Heyyy!
 ?? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> Heyyy!)
[15:01] <tsimonq2> I just saw you joined Matrix ;)
 Yes but also telegram which i am on right now (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> I just saw you joined Matrix ;))
[15:19] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4856/+packages libfm-qt rolling
[15:19] <tsimonq2> I just wanted to get that started right away this morning. Just a symbols update.
[15:19] <tsimonq2> Now I have to go do some Altispeed stuff :) I'll be around, not actively working on this though
[15:50] <tsimonq2> FTBFS on all arches because of symbols. Lovely.
[15:52] <kc2bez[m]> Not risc yet, you have to wait for an hour first. :P
[15:53] <tsimonq2> Sounds about right. :P
[15:53] <tsimonq2> (To be fair, it's the only reason I'm so eager to use Bileto still, it's because we can do symbols on arches that we can't normally build in a PPA.)
[15:54] <tsimonq2> (AFAIK you still can't enable riscv64 in any old PPA.)
 Just got a confirm of maintenance work on the QA testing site which will be down until tomorror (unable to log in)
[17:31] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks Leó
[18:25] <tsimonq2> Updated libfm-qt again after symbols. Hopefully the last one before I can continue.
[18:42] <kc2bez[m]> libfm-qt is such a beast.
[18:43] <kc2bez[m]> Moar symbols 😂
[18:43] <tsimonq2> take a look at my previous changelog entries :)
[18:43] <kc2bez[m]> I noticed 😉
 the latest version of lxqt is not 1.1.1 ?
 ￼lxqt-project.org
 Point release lxqt-session 1.1.1 | LXQt
 The LXQt team announces a point release of lxqt-session 1.1.1.qtxdg-tools is added as a dependency, to be used by xdg-utils under LXQt Session.
 or the only difference is lxqt-session?
[19:20] <tsimonq2> I've been checking it as I go and the vast majority of the packages have the latest tag of 1.1.0.
[19:20] <tsimonq2> If you find any 1.1.1, please ping me.
[19:21] <tsimonq2> (Besides lxqt-session, of course.)
 https://archlinux.org/groups/x86_64/lxqt/
 It seems that way, I just looked at arch for example, it's just lxqt-session
 Perfect
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Thank you for pointing that out! I definitely appreciate it.
[19:29] <tsimonq2> lxqt-about uploaded
[19:39] <tsimonq2> lxqt-admin uploaded
[19:52] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-archiver
[19:54] <kc2bez[m]> I concur from my monitoring. lxqt-session is the only package at 1.1.1 I may have missed something but I don't think so.
[20:01] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-config
 Waiting to test.. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-config)
[20:15] <tsimonq2> Getting there :)
[20:15] <tsimonq2> Fighting with symbols for lxqt-globalkeys right now
[20:40] <tsimonq2> ⚠ lxqt-globalkeys
[20:40] <tsimonq2> waiting for it to build on the PPA end, probably need another symbols update
 Late here ..back in a.m. .
[20:52] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-globalkeys
[20:54] <kc2bez[m]> lubot: Take care Leó
[20:58] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-notificationd
[21:11] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-openssh-askpass
[21:22] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-policykit
 It seems that it is 1.1.0 with several point releases, as indicated on the web.
[21:46] <tsimonq2> ✅ lxqt-session
[21:46]  * tsimonq2 -> afk for a few
[22:39]  * tsimonq2 wonders what the future of Calamares looks like
[22:39] <tsimonq2> Did anyone see the announcement for the latest release?
[22:40] <arraybolt3[m]> I saw your request for testing, if that's what you're asking.
[22:40] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, [ade] had a blog post. Let me dig it up.
[22:42] <tsimonq2> https://euroquis.nl/calamares/2022/05/29/calamares-handoff.html
[22:42] <arraybolt3[m]> I see that the last release was made by... one guy. Yikes, that's like what happened to OpenOffice. And one of the main developers stepped down,
[22:42] <arraybolt3[m]> s/,/.
[22:43] <kc2bez[m]> There are several folks working on it but [ade] was paid to by blue Systems.
[22:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyone here know C++?
[22:44] <tsimonq2> I'm okay with it.
[22:45] <tsimonq2> Radical idea: put the tip of 3.3 in Kinetic and start fixing bugs + adding features where needed
[22:45] <arraybolt3[m]> That might not be a bad idea, if we're prepared to fall back to 3.2 just before the feature freeze in the event things go poorly.
[22:45] <kc2bez[m]> Maybe we should drop it in a PPA
[22:46] <tsimonq2> I think it would be good to throw it in a PPA, smoke test it at least, then Release The Kraken
[22:46] <tsimonq2> We also should do a calamares SRU soon for 22.04
[22:47] <kc2bez[m]> Sounds like a good plan. Admittedly I am not very organized and completely forgot where things were.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer @eickmeyer:matrix.org: ^^^ please shout if I break your s*** ;)
[22:48] <arraybolt3[m]> (BTW, loving reactions on Matrix)
[22:48] <tsimonq2> One of the many benefits :)
[22:49] <arraybolt3[m]> So, fork Calamares and develop it into something of our own? If we made it good enough, maybe we could unify the installers between the Ubuntu flavours.  I would love to see an all-Calamares Ubuntu.
[22:50] <kc2bez[m]> I don't know about a fork. Like I said there are a bunch of smart folks poking at it.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> That would be nice, that is, if one of us here had any influence whatsoever at Canonical ;)
[22:51] <tsimonq2> Good thought though
[22:51] <kc2bez[m]> I think it will continue to be developed and we can keep it around.
[22:51] <tsimonq2> We will definitely be more involved going forward
[22:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I tried figuring out how to fix a security vuln in Ubiquity (erase disk during encrypted install does nothing, you can recover old data with PhotoRec), and couldn't make heads or tails of the logs. (The vuln is public, FYI.)
[22:52] <tsimonq2> I mean, I guess *technically* patching an original tarball is kind of forking it :P
[22:52] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Niceeeeeeeee
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Yeah Ubiquity is... antiquated
[22:52] <kc2bez[m]> Ubiquity isn't around much longer anyway. The flutter installer is coming.
[22:53] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: Yeah?
[22:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, while we're on the topic, when I was fighting with the LibreOffice localization bug, one of the people on GitHub (I think a dev) said something about how our networking configuration is bad. Let me pull it up...
[22:54] <tsimonq2> What's the latest on that?
[22:54] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Probably. Shoot
[22:55] <arraybolt3[m]> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1942#issuecomment-1125869333
[22:55] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: Testing has been happening for main Ubuntu for a couple of cycles now. Flavors are going to be able to jump on the bandwagon.
[22:56] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: I saw your bug report. We need to update our cala settings.
[22:56] <arraybolt3[m]> No, I mean the bit about nsswitch.conf. Click the link.
[22:57] <arraybolt3[m]> It goes to a comment made by a dev. He thinks we have a broken configuration in our networking stuff and should follow Fedora's example by changing our configuration.
[22:57] <kc2bez[m]> Well that is all the flavors plus main.
[22:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (At least, I think the comment was made by a dev.)
[22:57] <kc2bez[m]> We sometimes have to stick to the platform expectation
[22:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I guess I should bring this up in #ubuntu-devel:libera.chat
[22:59] <kc2bez[m]> Maybe. I have watched some of the folks you are referring to and occasionally a little salt needs to be sprinkled about.
[22:59] <kc2bez[m]> Fedora is not Ubuntu and vice-versa
[23:01] <kc2bez[m]> It couldn't hurt to ask why it is that way but I am guessing there is a good reason.
[23:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I see his logic, but also see what you're saying. I'd guess there's something deep in the guts of Ubuntu that depends on the "bad" configuration.
[23:02] <kc2bez[m]> Right. Like I said it might be good to ask why though.
[23:02] <arraybolt3[m]> (Hey, how do I test that flutter installer? Would that be Ubuntu Canary?)
[23:02] <kc2bez[m]> Yes
[23:03] <kc2bez[m]> It uses subiquity under the hood.
 "(Hey, how do I test that flutter..." <- Ubuntu Canary is the development release but with an added testing PPA
[23:27] <tsimonq2> We were given the green light to do such a thing
[23:27] <tsimonq2> However, I didn't get that far
 "I guess I should bring this up..." <- Good call
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> tsimonq2: What thing? To try out Canary on Lubuntu?
[23:28] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Lubuntu Canary
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah.
[23:28] <tsimonq2> Unfortunately a lot of our testing happened in the archive. :P
[23:29] <tsimonq2> The initial development cycle with LXQt was **rough**
[23:29] <kc2bez[m]> The current Ubuntu Canary iso has the flutter thingy.
[23:29] <tsimonq2> I still remember the days when we had Raphael and Julien. I miss those days...
[23:30] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, Ubuntu Canary appeared to have some problems last I looked, so I'm not sure if it's worth testing. Calamares is working great, and I like how you can actually tweak the settings yourself. Ubiquity didn't appear to make that easy AFAIK.
[23:30] <tsimonq2> (Julien was the original Lubuntu maintainer... I hate saying I took the reins from him because I haven't done squat compared to him)
[23:31] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: It gets a fair bit of attention and changes almost daily so it isn't a bad thing to keep an eye on.
[23:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh OK. But if something ain't broke, why fix it? Remember Debian's wise words about "shiny new thing syndrome".
[23:31] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I disagree, you've been great for this project.
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_suffer_from_Shiny_New_Stuff_Syndrome
[23:32] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: That's what they told us when we switched to Calamares
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> Ubuntu could use the installer fix. Lubuntu, not so much IMO.
[23:32] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: I don't disagree with that philosophy. I still like the watchful eye on what is happening.
[23:32] <tsimonq2> I remember infinity (God rest his soul) scolding me in a PM like "wtf why"
[23:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, Canary seems like it's going to make a fragmented mess. We already use Ubiquity for everything except Lubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, who use Calamares. Now we're gonna have Ubiquity, Flutter, and Calamares. AAAAA!)
[23:35] <tsimonq2> kc2bez[m]: I used to let my ego get to me. Meeting vorlon and going to Portland changed that completely for me. I don't know anything compared to some :)
[23:36] <tsimonq2> I'm saying that as a Debian Developer and Ubuntu Core Developer
[23:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Hopefully Flutter will either replace Ubiquity wholesale, or it will die out and Calamares will take over.
[23:36] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: I think the goal is to sunset Ubiquity shortly
[23:38] <kc2bez[m]> tsimonq2: I get what you are saying and it isn't a bad thing to be humbled but you have still pushed this project along the timeline in a good way.
[23:38] <tsimonq2> Anyway
[23:38] <tsimonq2> I'd say so, but I will continue to downplay it until I feel I'm ready :)
[23:44] <arraybolt3[m]> How close are we to testing LXQt? Should I be prepping to test it right away, or is built step IV still far enough away that I should be doing other stuff until then?
[23:44] <arraybolt3[m]> s/built/build
[23:45] <kc2bez[m]> I would say it is a bit away.
 next to all of you I feel tiny :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tsimonq2> I'd say so, but I will continue to downplay it until I feel I'm ready :))
[23:47] <kc2bez[m]> Simon Quigley: Had a couple of questions while I have a moment at the keys. 1. Was wondering why you skipped a couple of the build step III things. 2. bug 1966774 should that be filed against calamares-settings-ubuntu and fixed released for kinetic?
[23:50] <kc2bez[m]> lubot: I am hardly fluent in one language. You know how many?
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> kc2bez[m]: LOL Me too. I tried learning Spanish, Italian, Hebrew, and Greek at one point or another, I finally gave up on all of them since spoken languages are just too insanely complicated for my brain. Computer languages are much more organized (though misunderstandings can have far worse consequences...).
[23:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully, that's why we have Google Translate.
 I almost 1, the rest with the help of the translator :p (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> lubot: I am hardly fluent in one language. You know how many?)
 Yes! Jajaja (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully, that's why we have Google Translate.)
 Besides, I haven't worked for 9 years and that discourages me a lot.


[02:30] <waltman> OK, so I was able to read from the USB drive at 29 MB/s, but I can only write to the firewire drive at 16.4 MB/s. Does this make any sense? I thought firewire was supposed to be faster!
[02:58] <InHisName> you win some and you loose some
[10:22] <rmg51> Morning
[10:23] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:35] <rmg51> shopping time
[10:35] <JonathanD> Pick me up something.
[11:14] <waltman> Morning.
[11:16] <InHisName> Morning
[11:45] <rmg51> JonathanD: I have 8 chocolate chip muffins and 2 packages of oatmeal raisin cookies
[11:45] <rmg51> will that do?
[11:46] <waltman> What, no bacon?
[11:50] <rmg51> had some from last time
[11:50] <rmg51> but I did buy 4 small tenderloins
[12:52] <InHisName> How about some chocolate coated bacon chip cookies ?
[12:55]  * waltman settled for a sesame bagel, a banana, and coffee
[13:26]  * InHisName saves the cookies for Sammy when he show up.


 It's another problem. But I don't think I need to enable that library after all. I read the --help option in the mean time.
[00:42] <Halexander9000> The "make" command is now in progress. I think your second tutorial is the one I followed.
[00:42] <Halexander9000> Hopefully everything should work out as planned.
[00:42] <Halexander9000> Now all I have to do is wait.
[00:46] <Halexander9000> holstein: I'm trying to find a suitable screen recorder for my machine. So far, gtk-recordmydesktop creates a wonderfull .ogv file, but I can't seem to edit or convert it no matter what I throw at it. So ffmpeg was suggested as an alternative screen recorder.
[00:47] <Halexander9000> holstein: I appreciate your help, and I hope you can still offer advice if I have other problems along the way. Thank you.
[00:48] <holstein> Halexander9000: i would ust gtk-recordmydesktop
[00:48] <holstein> im still not sure what the issue is
[00:48] <holstein> i would hit the mailing list with that issue
[00:49] <Halexander9000> What's this mailing list you speak of?
[00:49] <holstein> Halexander9000: the ubuntustudio one
[00:49] <holstein> any support mailing list though
[00:49] <Halexander9000> I'm not using ubuntustudio.
[00:49] <holstein> Halexander9000: cool
[00:49] <holstein> i dont really care what you are using
[00:49] <holstein> what im trying to tell you is where i think you are more likely to find help
[00:49] <holstein> and that aint here
[00:49] <Halexander9000> Hmm... alright. I'll see what I find.
[00:50] <holstein> and this is literally the first issue i have heard about gtk-recordmydesktop *not* working
[00:50] <holstein> so, i would tend to lean toward suggesting that you troubleshoot that issue
[00:50] <holstein> since, also, it seems that the issues you are having are with something on the backend
[00:50] <holstein> seems like you will have these issues regardless of what you use
[00:51] <holstein> i would try the 12.04 live CD.. i would try other live CD's
[00:54] <Halexander9000> holstein: It's not that gtk-recordmydesktop is not working, it's working wonderfully. My machine just has troubles processing the file. I tried Kdenlive and OpenShot and both don't even display the file properly in the preview window, much less render a file that doesn't have a heavy dose of video artifacts.
[00:54] <holstein> Halexander9000: i hear you.. but i think you'll have those issues with *any* file
[00:54] <holstein> and you should try and do that.. obtain some files you didnt create, and try dealing with them
[00:55] <holstein> try different live CD's is really my top-most and easiest suggestion
[00:55] <Halexander9000> I tried converting it into something more manageable, but no matter what converters I use, the result is still riddles with those blasted scrambled tetris pieces cloging my text and edges of objects.
[00:55] <holstein> right
[00:55] <holstein> so stop converting
[00:55] <Halexander9000> holstein: But I've just setup my system...
[00:55] <holstein> just obtain other files that you did not create
[00:56] <holstein> Halexander9000: cool
[00:56] <holstein> with other live CD's, you will be seeing different graphics drivers in use
[00:56] <Halexander9000> I'll see if I can edit other files.
[00:56] <holstein> different kernels... it literally cant hurt anything
[00:56] <Halexander9000> In case you're wondering , my machine is a stock ASUS EEE PC 904HD from 2008.
[00:57] <holstein> yup
[00:57] <holstein> and i wouldnt *ever* expect my EEE to do anything with video
[00:57] <holstein> and i have 2gb's of ram
[00:57] <Halexander9000> Why?
[00:57] <holstein> its not made for that
[00:57] <holstein> and its too light on resources
[00:57] <Halexander9000> What's the big deal?
[00:57] <holstein> Halexander9000: ?
[00:57] <holstein> you tell me?
[00:58] <holstein> its not working properly, correct?
[00:58] <holstein> thats pretty much what i would expect trying to do *anything* like that on my machine
[00:58] <holstein> it wont play HD vids smoothing anywhere
[00:58] <holstein> and thats just not what its for
[00:58] <holstein> i think if you had a bigger machine, it would not be choking on it
[00:58] <Halexander9000> But, it does record my screen quite fine. Why can't I edit a bally .ogv file?
[00:59] <holstein> Halexander9000: it cant becuase its underpowerered
[00:59] <Halexander9000> And I only used a 640 by 480 screen resolution. It's far from hd.
[00:59] <holstein> Halexander9000: i would do *very* low quality mpegs
[00:59] <holstein> or do it on another machine
[00:59] <Halexander9000> I don't have another machine at my disposal.
[00:59] <holstein> i just dont, nor will i ever expect to edit video locally on this machine
[00:59] <holstein> Halexander9000: cool
[00:59] <holstein> i would just upload it to youtube and deal with it there
[00:59] <holstein> or some other online service
[00:59] <Halexander9000> And my resolution won't go down further.
[01:00] <holstein> OR, step the quality down
[01:00] <holstein> OR try live CD's
[01:00] <holstein> til you get something light enough to deal with it
[01:00] <holstein> but i woudnt expect to ever see video on the screen like that
[01:00] <Halexander9000> holstein: The ironic thing is it uploads to youtube just fine.
[01:00] <holstein> Halexander9000: correct
[01:00] <holstein> theres *nothing* wrong with the video
[01:00] <holstein> the machine just cant play it
[01:01] <holstein> in any form
[01:01] <holstein> you wont be able to watch it to edit it
[01:01] <holstein> you cant preview
[01:01] <holstein> but, its there...
[01:01] <Halexander9000> But I can watch it.
[01:01] <holstein> Halexander9000: OK
[01:01] <holstein> maybe in VLC or somthing
[01:01] <Halexander9000> Yes.
[01:01] <holstein> im talking about to edit it
[01:01] <Halexander9000> That's a problem.
[01:01] <holstein> yup
[01:01] <holstein> and i woudnt expect this machine to handle that
[01:02] <holstein> BUT, you can try other live CD's or whatever
[01:02] <Halexander9000> So, you're saying I should instead rely on Youtube's video editing capabilities?
[01:02] <holstein> Halexander9000: i would
[01:02] <holstein> i would *not* want to edit video on my EEE
[01:02] <holstein> ever
[01:03] <Halexander9000> holstein: I've been through so many distributions, I'm frankly sick of trying. I feel most comfortable with Ubuntu. I'm using the LXDE desktop manager, and I'm quite happy with it.
[01:03] <holstein> yup
[01:03] <holstein> its not the distro
[01:03] <holstein> that why i suggest just trying it live
[01:03] <holstein> so you can find out without breaking anything
[01:03] <holstein> its the EEE
[01:03] <holstein> its not made for that
[01:03] <holstein> ive tried
[01:04] <Halexander9000> I
[01:04] <holstein> i dont do audio on here unless i have to
[01:05] <Halexander9000> I'll consider testing the live cd of Ubuntustudio after I'm done watching season 3 of Fringe on my machine.
[01:05] <Halexander9000> I routed my speaker line into the microphone input so it records the game sounds.
[01:05] <holstein> Halexander9000: cool.. doesnt matter what you do thought.. accepting that the machine is no capable is the best thing you can do
[01:05] <Halexander9000> Manually, with a cable.
[01:05] <holstein> though*
[01:06] <holstein> Halexander9000: i used to do that
[01:06] <Halexander9000> But I thought all computers can process everything, the only difference was how much it took to do so.
[01:07] <holstein> sure
[01:07] <holstein> and it will "process" it fine
[01:07] <holstein> you just cant see it doing it
[01:07] <holstein> it doesnt have the balls to show it to you while its doing it
[01:07] <Halexander9000> I admit it was a naive view on things from my part, but it seemed to be that way when I used Windows.
[01:07] <holstein> and it never will
[01:07] <holstein> Halexander9000: fire up windows then
[01:07] <holstein> i think you'll see its just not what the machine is made for
[01:07] <holstein> you can try avidmuex
[01:08] <holstein> http://avidemux.berlios.de/
[01:08] <Halexander9000> It get's clogged with more trash that my room. I don't want to use a computer if it's not running at maximum efficiency.
[01:08] <holstein> i found it really light back when i used windows on machine higher and lower powered than what we are talkinb about, before i started running linux on a machine like what we are talking about
[01:08] <holstein> anywasy.. gotta run.
[01:09] <Halexander9000> bye
[03:46] <tehowe> Does a Ubuntu-Studio Beta drop tonight? I'd like to help test precise on my netbook but it's just a small dualcore so maybe I should help with mainline Ubuntu release instead
[03:50] <tehowe> ...Just since it's not ideal for audio performance. But maybe that doesn't matter.
[03:53] <holstein> tehowe: i would just search for the dailies... you can get more involved if you'd like though... try in #ubuntustudio-devel first
[03:55] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[04:01] <tehowe> Thanks, holstein. Maybe it's purely psychological but I was waiting for us to pass that 'beta' milestone b4 putting Precise on my sidearm, since I do use it for 'production', if you count browsing online and using Libre office
[04:02] <holstein> tehowe: they have to be officially tested to be accepted
[04:02] <holstein> ive been busy :/
[04:03] <tehowe> oic. no worries.
[04:04] <holstein> otherwise, theres a schedule, and the images build automatically AFAIK
[04:04] <holstein> things break... we (meaning mostly ScottL) fix them
[04:13] <tehowe> Well kudos, there's a lot of extra moving parts in a Studio release... looking fwd to it


[00:28] <ToStItOs> I cannot load windows with grub
[00:31] <ToStItOs> I tried to install two drives and now grub will not load windows
[00:31] <ToStItOs> I am in a bind I need to restore the boot loader to normal is there a way to do this
[00:32] <ToStItOs> I tried to disconnect the Xubuntu drive
[00:32] <ToStItOs> but that won't
[00:33] <ToStItOs> work
[00:33] <ToStItOs> if there is anyone who can help me with this I really would appreciate this
[00:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> hello anybody home?
[01:31] <kathleenlepirate> does xubuntu 9.10 use grub2?
[01:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> kathleenlepirate, yes
[01:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> kathleenlepirate, well it uses grub1 by default but you can install grub 2in smp
[01:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> spm
[01:42] <kathleenlepirate> so then I would have grub1 if i never opted in
[01:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> opted in?
[01:46] <kathleenlepirate> like, if i just did a normal install, it would be grub1 or 2?
[01:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> well you'd have some version of grub....just take a look in  synaptic
[01:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> you'd have grub 1.97 beta4
[01:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> it shows when your computer is booting and you are in the grub boot menu
[01:48] <kathleenlepirate> well, i'm on a live cd
[01:48] <kathleenlepirate> something's wrong with it
[01:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> something's wrong with the live cd?
[01:49] <kathleenlepirate> no, grub
[01:50] <kathleenlepirate> and my partitions apparently
[01:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> xubuntu won't boot?
[01:51] <kathleenlepirate> right
[01:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> what message comes up?
[01:53] <kathleenlepirate> i think it was a read error. i have it written down, but i don't have it with me, i'm at work. but that doesn't show up anymore anyway. now when i start the computer without the live cd, nothing happens after the BIOS screen. just a bliniing underscore
[01:54] <kathleenlepirate> blinking*
[01:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> does the bios recognizes the hard disk=
[01:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> ?
[01:54] <kathleenlepirate> yes
[01:55] <kathleenlepirate> i mean, it's listed there
[01:55] <kathleenlepirate> i have to leave work now, i'll be back in like 10 minutes with what the error was
[01:55] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm hard to say whats wrong,,,
[01:55] <Balsaq> is bios set to boot from the correct place?
[01:56] <kathleenlepirate> i believe so. that would be a stupid mistake haha
[01:57] <kathleenlepirate> i'll check....like i said, i'll be back in like 10 minutes.
[01:57] <Balsaq> once i was in a similar situation...when the cursor was blinking as you say...i hit f1 or f2 and the desktop appeared.
[01:58] <kathleenlepirate> haha wow
[01:59] <Balsaq> are you ultimately trying to install it tothe HD...or run from live CD?
[01:59] <kathleenlepirate> it is installed to the hd
[01:59] <kathleenlepirate> im trying to boot from that
[02:00] <Balsaq> is windows involved?
[02:02] <kathleenlepirate> yep
[02:02] <kathleenlepirate> source of the problem
[02:03] <kathleenlepirate> right well, i'll reboot and check the bios first
[02:03] <Balsaq> did you try find/boot/grub/stage1
[02:06] <Balsaq> sounds like grub is looking at the wrong partition during boot
[02:07] <Balsaq> http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm
[02:09] <Balsaq> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[02:09] <Balsaq> actually the 2nd link seems to be the correct one
[02:18] <kathleenlepirate> umm
[02:19] <kathleenlepirate> well it booted into xubuntu just fine, out of nowhere
[02:19] <kathleenlepirate> but didn't give me a choice
[02:20] <Sachse_Siechtum> bad bad Xubuntu *g*
[02:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> ;-)
[02:22] <kathleenlepirate> and i think in self-preservation, removed gparted from applications?
[02:22] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm dont guess so...
[02:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> just restart the computer... to test if it still does boot...
[02:24] <kathleenlepirate> it does, directly into xubuntu
[02:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[02:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> so, problem solved?
[02:34] <kathleenlepirate> problem transfigured. i still want the option to boot into windows occasionally
[02:36] <kathleenlepirate> also, i'm pretty sure it's not seeing a partition it should
[02:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmmm..is the missing partition a ntfs one?
[02:36] <kathleenlepirate> yes
[02:38] <Sachse_Siechtum> look if you got the package for supporting ntfs installed...
[02:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> or maybe the partition is not mounted
[02:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> but it should be showing in "harddisk drives management"
[02:48] <kathleenlepirate> how is it that it can format a partition to a format it can't read
[03:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> well...I think its the only option it gives to you...
[03:05] <kathleenlepirate> what option?
[03:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> same in windows....plugin a usb stick...and if the filesystem in damaged or not readable...it says "....cant be read...do you want to format it?"
[03:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> well  to format that partition
[03:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> but I dont know so much about part. management in Xubuntu
[03:06] <kathleenlepirate> i don't either, which is my problem
[03:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> maybe go to #ubuntu and ask there
[03:49] <kathleenlepirate> ugh, why would gparted tell me "failed to mount '59G Volume'. The enclosing drive for the volume is locked." when i don't have a 5gb partition?
[03:50] <kathleenlepirate> ...*59gb
[20:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> I finally saved my sound problem with WINE! *yay*
[20:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> solved
[20:28] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[20:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> solution was: Winepulse!
[20:31] <charlie-tca> really?
[20:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[20:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just had alsa/esound/jack/..../ to choose from...no pulse in the list
[20:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> after changing pulse audio package to 1.2 ....
[20:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> bingo...pulse audio in the list..
[20:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> half-life finally has sound now :-)
[20:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> the alternative would have been: removing pulse packages...but that would have meant: no 5.1. sound...
[20:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> and I need my 5.1 sound *g*
[20:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> now I'm curious if I gonna have real 5.1 surround sound with Max payne 2
[20:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> *gonna install it later* :-)
[20:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> to bad I wasted several hours today, to get company of heroes running....
[20:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> which ended in a c++ error message
[20:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-(
[20:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> I hope I just get all my steam games running...
[20:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> so another step away from XP *g*
[20:38] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> When I have my new computer, I hopefully have enough performance to leave Win XP xompletely :-)
[20:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, oh yeah how are you today? *laugh*
[20:41] <charlie-tca> doing just fine
[20:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> good :-)
[20:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> just had 2 cheeseburgers and a cup of cappu :)
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Hello, Sachse_Siechtum
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Start over?
[20:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, hello :-)
[20:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> what do you mean?
[20:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> or...pardon me?
[20:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> I really need a new computer...
[20:44] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> most of my components are from....2005...
[20:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> exceot the gfx card
[20:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> -o+p
[20:48] <charlie-tca> preoccupied here. Running 8.04 to Lucid upgrade again
[20:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> why 8.04 and not 9.04?
[20:50] <Sysi> lts
[20:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> Ic
[20:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> lucid is the next lts, right?
[20:51] <Arpad2> hello
[20:51] <Sysi> Sachse_Siechtum: yes
[20:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> Arpad2, hello
[20:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, copy
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Have to be able to upgrade from both 8.04 and 9.10 to lucid
[21:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[21:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah I found a tool to change netspeed :-)
[21:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> damn just for ethernet cards
[21:53] <charlie-tca> What are you using?
[22:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> I was trying ethtool
[22:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> but it just recognizes the ethernet card
[22:30] <charlie-tca> I never learn how to use that thing
[22:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> well I dont need "this" , I need one for wlan0 ...damn! *g*
[22:36] <charlie-tca> oooops...
[22:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, not your fault *g*
[22:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> damn I was so busy, I forgot to drink the rest of my cappu *laugh*
[23:11] <charlie-tca> Well, enough fun for today
[23:12] <charlie-tca> See you later