[08:22] <didrocks> zsombi: hey, from your comment on bug #1485222, do I understand you are looking into it?
[08:23] <zsombi> didrocks: no, I don't...
[08:24] <didrocks> zsombi: who should I talk to to get it on some UI toolkit list? I think this is part of the bugs that would be nice to get fixed for our developers
[08:24] <didrocks> or then, we can't have StateSaver
[08:24] <didrocks> and I guess I quite spent some time to localized where the issue is with a simple reproducer
[08:24] <didrocks> (like tracking down to ContentStore already took quite some time in my large application when things started to not work anymore)
[08:25] <zsombi> didrocks: I know, what I don't get how ContentStore can disable StateSaver...
[08:25] <zsombi> didrocks: if a simple ContentStore disables StateSaver, then perhabs that should be checked fiorst...
[08:26] <zsombi> didrocks: all StateSaver does is to hook to SIGINT and SIGTERM signals to get notified when the app is killed/stopped, not more
[08:26] <zsombi> didrocks: and then, if there're states saved, it will restore them one by one as they come alive
[08:28] <zsombi> didrocks: there is a piece of code to which kenvandine might refer, which arises when an app is launched thru ContentHub, which delays state restoration till the URI is handled, but that piece of code is not in the toolkit, so these two components have nothing in common really
[08:41] <didrocks> zsombi: sorry, at debconf and the network dropped. Last sentences I got were:
[08:42] <didrocks> 10:25:01     zsombi | didrocks: I know, what I don't get how ContentStore can disable StateSaver...                                                  │
[08:42] <didrocks> 10:25:28   didrocks | I don't know either, didn't write that code, however, I do know it's easy to reproduce                                         │
[08:42] <zsombi> [11:25:35] <zsombi> didrocks: if a simple ContentStore disables StateSaver, then perhabs that should be checked fiorst...
[08:42] <zsombi> [11:26:19] <zsombi> didrocks: all StateSaver does is to hook to SIGINT and SIGTERM signals to get notified when the app is killed/stopped, not more
[08:42] <zsombi> [11:26:53] <zsombi> didrocks: and then, if there're states saved, it will restore them one by one as they come alive
[08:42] <zsombi> [11:28:30] <zsombi> didrocks: there is a piece of code to which kenvandine might refer, which arises when an app is launched thru ContentHub, which delays state restoration till the URI is handled, but that piece of code is not in the toolkit, so these two components have nothing in common really
[08:43] <didrocks> zsombi: ok, so i guess it's back on ken's plate?
[08:44] <zsombi> didrocks: so far, yes
[08:44] <didrocks> ok, commenting and playing the ping pong ball then…
[08:44] <zsombi> didrocks: and we will only deal with it if it is OTA bug, convergence is on our sholder
[08:45] <didrocks> zsombi: I kind of get those, just sad that there are already way too many ways to break our toolkits, so before getting more features, would be nice to have a working SDK for devs
[08:45] <didrocks> but I understand, priorities and so on, so having to leave with the bunch of workarounds I've done
[08:45] <didrocks> (however, this one is the only one without any workaround, that's why I worry about it a little bit more)
[08:48] <zsombi> didrocks: I know, but itás not my call... if it would be me, I'd rather spend 3-4 months to fix everything and only then to introduce new features...
[08:51] <didrocks> zsombi: yep, I'll raise this anyway once I'll start publishing my apps to management, we'll see if that will enable some people to have some time to fix those issues, changing prioties, hopefully :)
[08:52] <zsombi> didrocks: what comes to StateSaver, it's me :(
[09:21] <karni> ralsina: if I register the second user for push, I'm at the dead end -- when the second user is logged out, I 1) can't call unregister passing the token, because that would unregister both users 2) can't not call unregister, because after logging out user #2, the phone would still receive notifications for both.
[09:22] <karni> shoot, wrong chan, he's not here
[11:38] <mcphail> I'm keen to package a node.js app (https://github.com/magne4000/quassel-webserver) for the phone. But I don't know much about node, and I'm not sure how best to package it. I think it needs a newer version of node than the one in the repos. Can anyone give me any pointers as to what to do?
[11:40] <popey> mcphail: i use node from a ppa... one mo
[11:41] <ogra_> mcphail, i have only created snappy nodejs packages yet ... and all of them were using node as a webserver
[11:41] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~chris-lea/+archive/ubuntu/node.js
[11:41] <mcphail> ogra_: yes, this would be a webserver too
[11:41] <mcphail> popey: cheers!
[11:42] <ogra_> to just get the nodejs binary and npm modules installed you can use my node-snapper script
[11:42] <popey> doesnt look like he's updated it recently
[11:42] <ogra_> it creates two tarballs with all the binary bits needed ... one per arch for armhf and i386
[11:42] <mcphail> ogra_: I tried your script, but it just hung when building the modules. Don't know if it is a wily problem?
[11:42] <ogra_> could be
[11:43] <ogra_> i only use it on trusty .. but have seen people use it on vivid too
[11:43] <mcphail> ogra_: also wondered if C++ binaried built on wily would work in vivid due to the c++ ABI changes
[11:43] <ogra_> most likely not
[11:43] <mcphail> ogra_: your script builds in a wily chroot
[11:43] <ogra_> oh, that would need some fixes then
[11:44] <ogra_> namely you would need to convince it to download a different ubuntu-core tarball for the chroot
[11:45] <ogra_> (just hardcode it in the wget command in the script)
[11:45] <mcphail> ogra_: I'll give that a try
[12:17] <davidcalle> dholbach, do you remember if we had, on the old API website, a QML api for thumbnails
[13:13] <renatu> liuxg, hi
[13:13] <liuxg> renatu, hi
[13:14] <renatu> liuxg, nik90 help to create some extra components that can be easily shared btw apps
[13:14] <liuxg> renatu, if you have any resources on how to make use of the contact APIs, it is fine to me.
[13:15] <liuxg> renatu, nik90, that sounds great, I think it is normal to have the component to import contacts from other apps. a developer does not need to re-invent the wheel every time if there is a component there.
[13:18] <liuxg> nik90, ping
[13:18] <renatu> liuxg, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/address-book-app/trunk/files/head:/src/imports/Ubuntu/Contacts/
[13:18] <renatu> this are the components that messaging and dialer app uses
[13:19] <liuxg> renatu, it is really a lot of stuff. does it mean every app needs to do the same thing?
[13:21] <liuxg> renatu, there should be some images, right? is it possible to have a component for it so that a developer to make use of it directly without involving too much into it?
[13:24] <renatu> linuxg, I am in a meeting right, I will be back to you as soon as I finish it
[13:24] <renatu> sorry
[13:25] <liuxg> renatu, it is OK. Many thanks for your answering!
[13:32] <dholbach> davidcalle, no idea
[14:03] <balloons> ahayzen, what's happening? :-)
[14:04] <ahayzen> balloons, see in -ci-eng, a calendar job has been stuck for 5 days http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/
[14:04] <ahayzen> balloons, preventing any further landings/jobs :-/
[14:04] <balloons> ahayzen, yikes!
[14:04] <ahayzen> yeah :-/
[14:05] <balloons> ahayzen, I killed it
[14:05] <balloons> how on earth did that happen.
[14:05] <popey> #blameballoons
[14:05] <ahayzen> thanks, let see what happens now
[14:05] <popey> btw the owner of blamepopey.com updated the kernel version
[14:06] <balloons> ahayzen, I see the issue
[14:06] <nik90> ooh yes they did...kernel 4.1
[14:06] <balloons> yikes, I'm running kernel 4.1!
[14:06]  * balloons closes page
[14:06] <ahayzen> you got popey_exploit-0.3-alpha? :-)
[14:07] <popey> hah
[14:07] <nik90> when do we expect popey_exploit-beta or v1.0?
[14:07] <ahayzen> i want a stable exploit!
[14:07] <nik90> exactly! We dont run alpha s/software/exploits
[14:08] <balloons> true.. I'm safe, it's only a broken alpgha
[14:08] <nik90> ahayzen: I will run your latest changes to the content export MP tonight and comment again. Mostly it looks good. I suppose once victor does the code review it can go in.
[14:09] <nik90> ahayzen: correct me if I am wrong, but you guys are waiting on the listitem fixes to land in OTA-6 before you push out a new music app update?
[14:09] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah we're waiting mainly for review from victor, but it would be nice to have the clock side MP'd as well so we can test it end-to-end before landing both
[14:09] <nik90> ahayzen: clock app MP is mostly rdy btw..https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/custom-alarm-sound/+merge/268499
[14:10] <nik90> ahayzen: I was about to ask for testing help during clock app's meeting today
[14:10] <ahayzen> nik90, we are waiting for the ota6 landing before we land the MP for the listitems... we will push trunk to the store when we feel it is worth it (which the content-hub on its own could be enough :-) )
[14:11] <nik90> ahayzen: sweet. Ideally it would be nice if we can release both apps together. Pushing clock app without music update makes the custom-sound feature useless
[14:11] <nik90> ;)
[14:11] <ahayzen> exactly
[14:11] <nik90> ahayzen: I'll keep you updated on that front.
[14:12] <ahayzen> thanks
[14:13] <ahayzen> balloons, if jenkins has run out of space i assume all the other jobs are gonna be stuck as well? And will need to be restarted once there is space?
[14:13] <balloons> I just killed the other jobs as well
[14:13] <ahayzen> thanks
[14:16] <balloons> it's pretty toasted. We'll need someone to free some space
[14:16] <ahayzen> hehe :-)
[14:19] <bladernr_> Can someone tell me if there is a way in debian packaging to install a suggests via a separate PPA?  for example, if I have package foo, and it suggests package bar, but package bar is only available via the bar-dev/bar-tools ppa, can I specify in the packaing for foo to use that PPA or do I still need to manually (outside the package) add the PPA first
[14:22] <balloons> bladernr_, indeed apt only knows about what's in it's sources list
[14:26] <bladernr_> balloons: ok... damn I was hoping to be all superpowered and stuff... heh. thanks! (I really didn't think it would work, but the intricacies of debian packaging are like magic to me)
[14:30] <balloons> bladernr_, yea it's fun because the package gives a dependency name, but doesn't require you to install it from any specific location :-)
[16:20] <popey> ogra_: was it you looking at kodi in a snap>?
[16:21] <ogra_> popey, yeah, a few times already ... trying different approaches
[16:21] <popey> be nice if we had a few extra brain cells on that
[16:21] <ogra_> but it is more work than fun to get all the deps built first :/
[16:22] <ogra_> before you can even start on kodi itself
[16:22] <popey> can you not just yoink them from the repo?
[16:22] <popey> or do they all need special rebuilds for new sdl2 etc?
[16:23] <ogra_> which repo ? the PPA doesnt have any arm builds
[16:23] <popey> vivid does
[16:23] <ogra_> you ean in the archive ?
[16:23] <ogra_> *mean
[16:23] <popey> yes
[16:23] <ogra_> ugh
[16:23] <ogra_> i always tries the upstream PPA
[16:23] <ogra_> *tried
[16:23]  * ogra_ slaps forehead
[16:23] <ogra_> i didnt even know it was in the repo
[16:24] <popey> well, I'm on about deps
[16:24] <popey> not kodi itself
[16:24] <ogra_> (i think it was ripped out in wily though ... )
[16:24] <ogra_> ah
[16:24] <ogra_> there are many packages not in the repo i think
[16:25] <ogra_> root@localhost:/# apt-cache policy kodi |grep armhf
[16:25] <ogra_>         500 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ wily/universe armhf Packages
[16:25] <ogra_> hmm
[16:25] <ogra_> i'll probably play with it again on the weekend
[16:25] <ogra_> for snappy i'd actually like it to be built with direct GLES support ...
[16:26] <ogra_> then you neither need Xorg nor Mir
[16:36] <mcphail> ogra_: what about ripping the build from the raspberry pi?
[16:36] <mcphail> ogra_: it was raspbmc, but is called something else now
[16:42] <ogra_> morphis, not sure, is there a non-raspbian build ?
[16:43] <ogra_> err
[16:43] <ogra_> mcphail,
[17:42] <mcphail> ogra_: the raspbmc one was based on raspian, but there is also openelec
[22:11] <ahayzen> nik90, appear to have busted clock on my device, how do you normally build it? I tried click-buddy but that tried to build an amd64 version, then I tried doing "Install application on device" via QtC but that seems to have broken it :-/
[22:12] <nik90> ahayzen: I don't usually do it via console..can I instead send you a click package ;) ?
[22:12] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah if you want :-) but how do you usually make the click ?
[22:13] <nik90> ahayzen: I usually set the device to phone in qtc, and then through the menus tell it create a click package
[22:13] <ahayzen> i'll try that..
[22:13] <nik90> usually when I run clock through qtc on device, it creates a armhf click in the builddir
[22:13] <ahayzen> but that should be no different to install app on device via QtC surely :-/
[22:13] <nik90> indeed
[22:14] <nik90> it shouldn't be
[22:14] <nik90> wait which version did you try installing?
[22:14]  * ahayzen tries run on device first
[22:14] <ahayzen> lp:~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/custom-alarm-sound -> rc-proposed mako
[22:14] <nik90> I broke the clock app in the MP I gave you few minutes back...which I just fixed now
[22:14] <nik90> try pulling again now
[22:14] <ahayzen> oh!
[22:14] <nik90> the last revision should rev 357
[22:14] <nik90> sry
[22:15] <nik90> wrong format in the .json file
[22:15] <ahayzen> #blamenik
[22:15] <nik90> ahayzen: no no you're not starting any meme similar to #blamepopey or #blameballoons :P
[22:15] <ahayzen> you don't have a website yet no ;-)
[22:17] <nik90> ahayzen: if everything goes well, we will have this feature merged tomorrow. And then wait for translations for another few days.
[22:18] <nik90> During the meeting, we were planning for an update hopefully next week sometime
[22:18] <ahayzen> hehe i'm just waiting on victor :-) as you have an MP then i should be able to poke him with something to test end-to-end
[22:18] <ahayzen> and our meeting is tomorrow so can raise it then
[22:18] <nik90> ok
[22:19] <nik90> I wish the file manager was also a valid music source
[22:19] <ahayzen> nik90, it appeared as one for me from the hub-importer?
[22:19] <nik90> it shows up in the peer picker page but doesn't actually work properly.
[22:19] <ahayzen> ah
[22:19] <nik90> as in I cannot see any music files to pick from
[22:20] <ahayzen> file manager is strange though as IIRC it still tries to open music files under ~/Music via content-hub instead of urlhandler
[22:20] <nik90> oh
[22:20] <ahayzen> which causes duplicate tracks :-)
[22:21]  * nik90 checks if filemanager has any code contributions
[22:21] <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1413821
[22:22] <ahayzen> as i said in comment #7 anything in /home/*/Music or /media/*/*/Music can just be opened via urlhandler
[22:23] <nik90> hmm strange I see 7 MP top-approved to land..but no jenkins activity in them. strange
[22:23]  * nik90 looks at the bug report now
[22:23] <ahayzen> nik90, maybe due to the jenkins chaos earlier
[22:24] <ahayzen> (it ran out of disk space)
[22:24] <nik90> ahayzen: no its blocked since beginning of august
[22:24] <ahayzen> oh
[22:25] <ahayzen> nik90, i did add custom sound..selected a track...then it went back to the list but suru arpeggio is still checked and i can't see my track?
[22:25] <nik90> ahayzen: the custom sounds are added right at the top, just below the "Add custom sound" button
[22:26] <nik90> if it didnt add it, you might have to reboot
[22:26] <ahayzen> "Alarm Clock" is the frist
[22:26] <ahayzen> i see this in the log as well.. qml: [LOG] Final Custom Alarm Sound URL: file:///home/phablet/.local/share/com.ubuntu.clock/07 - Part II.flac
[22:26] <ahayzen> but i'll try restarting just to be sure :-)
[22:26] <nik90> no dont
[22:26] <ahayzen> hah
[22:26] <nik90> it only shows .mp3 and .ogg files
[22:26] <ahayzen> ugh
[22:26] <ahayzen> y u no flac?
[22:26] <nik90> I wasn't sure of how to include all music formats
[22:27] <ahayzen> can you not import them to their own folder and then just list all of them? as if they came via content-hub they at least should have been music
[22:28] <ahayzen> or you could just attempt to play/pre-roll each track ?
[22:28] <ahayzen> or you could lookup what formats the phone supports...
[22:28] <nik90> I was thinking of doing that, but not sure if contenthub move() function created a folder on the fly if it doesnt exist
[22:28]  * nik90 tries that now
[22:29] <ahayzen> i think it does
[22:30] <ahayzen> as we dump it in ~/Music/Imported/yyyy/MM/dd/hhmmss when we import
[22:31] <nik90> oh nice...I think I just need to change in one place and then test
[22:31] <ahayzen> :-)
[22:31] <ahayzen> have like a custom-tones folder or something :-)
[22:31] <nik90> yup exactly
[22:32]  * ahayzen wonders how file manager determines what is 'music'
[22:32] <nik90> ahayzen: btw why was "suru arpeggio" checked for you by default? We changed the default alarm tone to "Alarm clock"
[22:32] <nik90> a couple of commits ago in trunk
[22:32] <ahayzen> probably because i have suru arpeggio normally? idk
[22:32] <ahayzen> oh
[22:32] <ahayzen> i edited an existing alarm :-)
[22:32] <nik90> ah ok
[22:33] <ahayzen> nik90, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/qml/content-hub/contenttyperesolver.js#L33 file managers 'solution'
[22:33] <nik90> oh my
[22:34] <nik90> btw in your testing, does the music-app stay in the unity8 spread despite choosing the sound?
[22:34] <nik90> content-hub or unity8 bug?
[22:34] <ahayzen> nik90, sometimes yes, but that is a shell bug i've been told
[22:34] <nik90> ah ok
[22:34] <ahayzen> nik90, if you try to go to it you can see it has actually be quit'd
[22:35] <ahayzen> just the surface is still being shown in the spread for some reason
[22:35] <ahayzen> Ken seemed to know about it already
[22:35] <nik90> yeah its blurred out and stuff
[22:35] <ahayzen> yeah
[22:37] <ahayzen> nik90, i like the changes to the app against whats in the store btw :-)
[22:37] <nik90> :-)
[22:37] <nik90> Hopefully we continue that trend
[22:38] <ahayzen> are you going to allow swiping left/right on the start page to switch between the sections ?
[22:39] <nik90> ahayzen: yes, we had to disable it in the very last minute since it is conflicting with the list item swipe-delete gesture and we couldnt fix it properly
[22:39] <ahayzen> oh for the laps ?
[22:39] <nik90> and the world city listitems
[22:39] <nik90> yes
[22:39] <ahayzen> do you think the bottom edge on the stopwatch page should show the laps ?
[22:40] <nik90> I tried a couple of ideas by mzanetti which included placing a mouse area below , but that only works partially
[22:40] <ahayzen> as its difficult to read the laps in such a small view when you have loads
[22:40] <nik90> well we were thinking of using the bottom edge to allow users to save laps permanently...for use cases like comparing lap times later at any point of time with your past records
[22:40] <ahayzen> that'd be cool
[22:41] <nik90> this is the first implementation of the stopwatch feature. Expect some more design refreshes coming up for clock app.
[22:41] <ahayzen> coolio :-)
[22:42] <ahayzen> nik90, let me know when the custom sound one is ready to rock for testing again :-)
[22:42] <nik90> ahayzen: will do. I just noticed the logs saying that it transfered the sound to com.ubuntu.clock/CustomSounds/...*.mp3 etc..but I dont see it in the UI..investigating now
[22:43] <nik90> will ping you
[22:43] <ahayzen> thanks
[22:56] <nik90> ahayzen: go ahead pull. I also fixed music names not eliding as well.
[22:56] <nik90> and all formats supported
[22:56] <ahayzen> nik90, thanks :-)
[22:57] <nik90> well thnks for raising the issue. Would hate to hear users report it after the store update
[22:58] <ahayzen> yeah hehe
[22:59] <ahayzen> nik90, i have "clock-app@30" and "ubuntu-clock-app" now in my list?
[22:59] <nik90> eh?
[22:59] <nik90> in the alarm sound list?
[22:59] <ahayzen> yup at the top
[23:00] <nik90> wat..that's crazy..it should show the contents of .com.ubuntu.clock/CustomSounds
[23:00] <nik90> which is empty
[23:00] <ahayzen> what happens if that folder doesn't exist as in my case?
[23:00] <ahayzen> does it then drop back to "."
[23:00] <nik90> checking now
[23:00] <ahayzen> which would be where the app is running?
[23:00] <ahayzen> hence the icon appearing
[23:01] <nik90> god damn QML FolderListModel if that be true
[23:01]  * ahayzen shakes fist
[23:02]  * nik90 wonders how to fix this..
[23:03] <nik90> I could add a custom c++ function which checks the existence of the directory first
[23:03] <ahayzen> could just ensure its created on startup i guess?
[23:03] <ahayzen> is there no error from the FolderListModel?
[23:03] <ahayzen> i can't see anything in the docs
[23:03] <nik90> well the folder property is by default a invalid url
[23:04] <ahayzen> file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.clock/3.5./share/qml/alarm/AlarmSound.qml:92:17: Unable to assign [undefined] to QObject*
[23:04]  * ahayzen checks what that is
[23:04] <nik90> that is the contenthub activeTransfer
[23:04] <nik90> line92
[23:04] <ahayzen> ah yes have the code infront of me now :-)
[23:05] <nik90> ok I can fix it easily. GIve me another 5 mins
[23:05] <ahayzen> surely if the folder doesn't exist it should really error or just return nothing?
[23:05] <nik90> exactly, that's what I assumed as well
[23:05] <nik90> crazy QT :P
[23:05] <ahayzen> i would have as well
[23:06] <ahayzen> it is under Qt.labs i suppose ;-)
[23:06] <nik90> haha yes I suppose
[23:07] <nik90> stop making sense ahayzen and just complain alongside pls :P
[23:07] <ahayzen> we should raise something upstream :-)
[23:19] <nik90> ahayzen: fixed and pushed.
[23:19] <ahayzen> \o/
[23:19]  * ahayzen pulls
[23:20] <nik90> folder will be created on app startup if it does not exist
[23:20] <ahayzen> and if a dev deletes the folder with the app running its their own fault for being silly? ;-)
[23:20] <nik90> lol yes...
[23:21] <nik90> I mean I could have added that check in the EditAlarmPage, but was afraid of a race issue between the folderlistmodel and the folder creation
[23:21] <ahayzen> yeah that'd be the other option, unless you could refresh it, but then you could get a flicker
[23:21] <ahayzen> this is probably simplest for now
[23:21] <nik90> yeah
[23:22] <ahayzen> so they have disappeared, now time to import :-)
[23:22]  * nik90 crosses his fingers, hoping for the best
[23:23] <ahayzen> nik90, ok they import, but how do you stop them from playing?
[23:23] <nik90> you cant, unless you change the selection or go back to the previous page
[23:23] <ahayzen> or have i now got to listen to 6mins of paramore? ;-)
[23:23] <ahayzen> ah
[23:24] <nik90> that wasn't a design issue up until now since default tones were small
[23:24] <ahayzen> so the settings has a "stop playing" button that is always visible
[23:24] <nik90> I will check with design
[23:24] <ahayzen> or why not just clicking on the same listitem to toggle play/pause ?
[23:24] <ahayzen> (like we do in the queue)
[23:24] <nik90> hmm true that's actually a good idea
[23:26] <ahayzen> nik90, ok so the first time i couldn't save the alarm for some reason, but then i went back and set the alarm again for 1min time and it worked \o/
[23:26] <nik90> logs indicate anything as to why you couldnt save?
[23:27] <ahayzen> don't think so
[23:27] <nik90> I hate that the sdk warnings about some background color of ubuntu shape are filling my logs uselessly.
[23:27] <nik90> hopefully when we switch to 1.3, they will all go away..
[23:27] <ahayzen> file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.clock/3.5./share/qml/alarm/EditAlarmPage.qml:103: TypeError: Type error
[23:27] <ahayzen> lots of those possible around the time
[23:28] <nik90> hmm that's about the alarm label assignment
[23:28] <nik90> its a harmless simple assignment
[23:28] <nik90> not sure
[23:28] <ahayzen> yeah can't see anything obvious
[23:28] <nik90> was that a one-time issue or does it happen on every new alarm creation?
[23:28] <ahayzen> could have just been media-hub locking up or somethign with me playing many many tracks :-)
[23:29] <ahayzen> i was editing an existing alarm..
[23:29] <nik90> hmm ok
[23:30] <ahayzen> it looked more platformy as the button didn't even animate onpress
[23:30] <ahayzen> maybe the header was thinking the view was scrolling or something as i've noticed it then dims the header actions
[23:30] <ahayzen> not been able to reproduce as of yet
[23:30] <nik90> oh we don't touch the header button state at all in the main edit alarm page. We only do it in the child pages.
[23:30] <nik90> ok
[23:31] <ahayzen> anyway this is looking sweet :-)
[23:31]  * ahayzen wonders when system-settings can add the same support :-)
[23:32] <nik90> I am testing your idea atm..was only a few additonal lines of code
[23:32]  * nik90 hopes as well
[23:32] <ahayzen> nik90, does the swipe delete work? or like incredibly hard to hit on mako ?!
[23:32] <ahayzen> ah got it!
[23:33] <nik90> ahayzen: thank you! Finally someone is able to confirm that issue.
[23:33] <nik90> ahayzen: apparently it is fine in the BQ images
[23:33] <nik90> http://pad.lv/1486008
[23:33] <ahayzen> hahaha hmmm are they using the new clock/{app} with the new listitems those?
[23:33] <ahayzen> *though
[23:33] <nik90> they are using the new 15.04 SDK list items
[23:34] <ahayzen> as music is easy to hit, but thats because it is using the old listitems until we land it
[23:34] <nik90> the old renatu's listitems have larger widths, it could be because of that
[23:34] <ahayzen> i mean the folks testing on the bq are using the new listitems right ?
[23:35] <nik90> ahayzen: well they are...but the sdk folks fixed a bug I reported about the width only a few images ago in rc-proposed :P
[23:35] <nik90> that's when the problem started for me on mako
[23:35] <ahayzen> haha ugh so more reasons not to land the new listitems :'(
[23:36] <ahayzen> i'll check our listitem branch and if that is affected confirm the bug
[23:36] <nik90> well alan confirmed that it isn't an issue on his bq running rc-proposed
[23:36] <nik90> so yeah
[23:36] <ahayzen> ..and add as a blocker :-/
[23:36] <nik90> its too late for clock app to revert since we did so much changes after merging that to trunk :/
[23:36] <ahayzen> :/
[23:39] <ahayzen> nik90, yup affects music as well FFS :'(
[23:39] <nik90> :/
[23:41]  * ahayzen wonders how a screenshot would help
[23:42] <nik90> maybe they think visually it is small to press I suppose...no idea
[23:42] <nik90> I am going to add the screenshot and add a comment.
[23:42] <nik90> just confirm it on your end
[23:44] <ahayzen> i have and added to the #blocked list on our MP
[23:46] <ahayzen> nik90, were you going to make that other change to toggle the playing state by tapping in the same MP or another? As i was going to pass it for the functional part of the review
[23:46] <nik90> I was thinking of adding it in this MP, but my mind is too tired atm..will do it tomorrow morning.
[23:47] <ahayzen> okies, i'll approve for now so i don't forget
[23:47] <nik90> cool, thnx
[23:48] <nik90> I'm going 2 sleep now. Gnite \o


[19:17] <gQuigs> can I get this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1515446 nominated for wily?  I already have a debdiff for wily attached.
[19:22] <rbasak> gQuigs: done. As always, thank you for caring!
[19:22] <gQuigs> rbasak: thanks!


[19:10] <auronandace> LjL: thanks, he was trolling in #reactos too
[19:10] <dwatkins> how professional...
[19:12] <bram__> tbrown: nice, so you'll try later vmware player
[19:12] <finish06> well all conversation died with that.
[19:12] <silner> This is for a different driver Ommpansthe http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download#Download_latest_Linux_wireless_drivers but I imagine the process is similar. I've never had to do it (all mine cards worked out of the box)
[19:12] <loculinux> jalack
[19:12] <loculinux> eee
[19:13] <Ommpansthe> gvo, It works if I turn wep off! But I want some security, I don't want other people to access to my internet
[19:13] <Ommpansthe> silner, I'll check
[19:13] <loculinux> spanish please
[19:13] <LjL> Ommpansthe: on one thing sm00x was right anyway, WEP is *very little* security. you should switch your network to WPA(2)
[19:13] <LjL> !es | loculinux
[19:13] <gvo> Ommpansthe: OK well we've determined that the driver is working for communications/
[19:14] <loculinux> eee
[19:14] <bram__> WPA2 is the best security for wireless sure
[19:14] <gvo> Ommpansthe: so turn it off, log in , then turn it back on.  ;)
[19:14] <Ommpansthe> LjL, yeah, but my router is very old :-(
[19:14] <loculinux> pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttttttttttttttttttttttoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[19:14] <LjL> Ommpansthe: hm, consider replacing it. really, keep in mind that WEP can be cracked in literally 5 minutes
[19:15] <Ommpansthe> LjL, I'll save money for a open router ;-)
[19:15] <Ommpansthe> gvo, log in... log in = connected?
[19:15] <gvo> Ommpansthe: poor choice of words, sorry.
[19:16] <bram__> i think the wpa1 can work in some old routers
[19:16] <Ommpansthe> gvo, you said: «so turn it off, log in , then turn it back on.» Log in = connect with the router without WEP. Am I right?
[19:16] <Ommpansthe> gvo, hope that know you understand
[19:17] <gvo> Ommpansthe: I don't know if that will work but that's what I meant.
[19:17] <netprofit> quick q, why would i want to use add-apt-repository? meaning why would i want to add a repository outside of /etc/apt/sources.list?
[19:17] <Ommpansthe> gvo, I'll try.
[19:17] <netprofit> (i am linux newb)
[19:17] <silner> It seems like WPS has been cracked too (on some routers) LjL, Ommpansthe so it's probably best to set up keys by hand
[19:18] <Juv1228> netprofit, im pretty sure apt-add-repository adds a new file into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[19:18] <gvo> netprofit: it doesn't add outside of sources. list it adds something to the file.
[19:18] <Juv1228> it also handled PPA's for you
[19:18] <LjL> netprofit: well, without entering the question of whether a single file (sources.list) is better than a modular system, apt-add-repository also registers the repository's key, and can be used to quickly add PPAs
[19:18] <gvo> netprofit: or to sources.list.d/
[19:19] <Juv1228> http://i.juvsoft.com/desktop.png ---> http://i.juvsoft.com/gnome-crash.png
[19:20] <Juv1228> has anyone ever seen this happen on ubuntu 11.10 with gnome classic?
[19:20] <keito_> hi, just upgraded to 12.04 from 10.10 and my mail settings in evolution aren't recognised, nor are my stored emails.  How can I get Evolution to see them?
[19:20] <Juv1228> it happens randomly while i'm working. screen flickers black for a second and then comes back with the screwed up theme
[19:20] <gvo> !info 12.04 | keito_
[19:21] <gvo> !12.04 | keito_
[19:21] <netprofit> thanks for the replies - so if lets say a version transmission-daemon is release but not listed in ubuntu's official repositories, then "updating the source list" would allow me to apt-get the latest version?
[19:21] <keito_> thanks!
[19:21] <gvo> netprofit: Probably
[19:22] <gvo> netprofit: if you know what repo has the package.
[19:22] <Klabautermann> Hellooo
[19:22] <netprofit> gvo: gotcha
[19:23] <Klabautermann> Somebody bere
[19:23] <Klabautermann> here
[19:23] <Ommpansthe> gvo, it doesn't work. I think that the other computer doesn't understand WEP.
[19:24] <parto_> Klabautermann     Hae
[19:24] <bram__> Klabautermann you need help?
[19:24] <gvo> Ommpansthe: "the other computer"  is the box with the usb wireless card?
[19:24] <Ommpansthe> gvo, yes.
[19:24] <netprofit> thanks for the help guys
[19:24] <xblind135> hello, I am attempting to install some software I need for a class I am taking, and would very much appreciate any help i can get.
[19:25] <xblind135> I need libxul.so
[19:25] <gvo> Ommpansthe: So if you leave wep off you can connect OK still?
[19:25] <xblind135> from what I can find I need libmotif3
[19:25] <Ommpansthe> gvo, yes. No WEP = Connection
[19:25] <bram__> you can't connect with wep on?
[19:25] <kypor> hello all .. is there a way to change pinned icons in Unity Launcher? Especially WINE apps?
[19:25] <bekks> xblind135: Hopefully no one ever needs motif anymore :)
[19:26] <bekks> xblind135: Did you search packages.ubuntu.com to see whoch packages provides libxul.so for your ubuntu version?
[19:27] <gvo> Ommpansthe: Try looking in one of the log files for error messages.
[19:27] <xblind135> yes, firefox should, but it seems to be broken
[19:27] <gmachine_24> Greetings earthlings. I use the command line to update my systems .. can someone tell me why using 'aptitude' vs 'apt-get' will install more pkgs? apt-get often returns msg that says certain pkgs are being held back
[19:28] <Klabautermann> yessssssssssssssss sure i need help
[19:28] <Klabautermann> this is the reason why i am here
[19:28] <gmachine_24> Klabautermann, please ask your question or state your business
[19:28] <kypor> hello all .. is there a way to change pinned icons in Unity Launcher? Especially WINE apps?
[19:28] <Klabautermann> okay should i ask here my question or in query gmachine_24???
[19:29] <gmachine_24> Klabautermann, just ask
[19:29] <xblind135> XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib/firefox-11.0/libxpcom.so: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Couldn't load XPCOM. That is the error i am getting
[19:29] <Ommpansthe> gvo, can you specify the log file that I must look?
[19:29] <gvo> Ommpansthe: try syslog messages and/or auth.
[19:29] <gvo> I'm not sure which.
[19:29] <gvo> If any.
[19:30] <Klabautermann> Okayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[19:30] <Klabautermann> I have Ubuntu.
[19:30] <Klabautermann> No  I must correct me
[19:30] <Klabautermann> I want to have Ubuntu.
[19:30] <gvo> Ommpansthe: Have you tried the complete 48 character hex key?
[19:31] <Klabautermann> Buuut the question is. Where can I get Ubuntu if not steal it???
[19:31] <kypor> hello all .. is there a way to change pinned icons in Unity Launcher? Especially WINE apps? Instead of the default wine icon
[19:32] <Klabautermann> Nooo stop kypior
[19:32] <Klabautermann> i asked first!!!
[19:32] <faryshta> Hi. How do I use the "diff"  command to create a patch from local files?
[19:32] <gmachine_24> Klabautermann, really? http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[19:32] <gvo> Klabautermann: Be nice.  You dont' have to steal it.
[19:32] <Klabautermann> good
[19:33] <Klabautermann> But how do i get it from internet to my pc
[19:33] <gmachine_24> Klabautermann, read the instructions
[19:33] <bekks> Klabautermann: This is a chat _room_ aloowing several people to ask in parallel.
[19:33] <xblind135> How can I start a 32-shell on a 64bit install?
[19:34] <Klabautermann> bekks but if all ask each other nobody can understand
[19:34] <zykotick9> xblind135: what do you really want to do?
[19:34] <bekks> Klabautermann: We can. Be sure of that.
[19:34] <Klabautermann> bekks am i allowed to write with CAPS ON so taht people se me?
[19:34] <ssta> troll...
[19:34] <bekks> Klabautermann: We can see you without caps, so "No".
[19:34] <Klabautermann> okay bekks
[19:34] <Shin_>  /XDCC HELP
[19:34] <xblind135> I want to get my installation of the Xilinx ISE to work properly, it is only half working right now
[19:34] <gmachine_24> Klabautermann, stop. This isn't AOL. Go the the page I gave you; read the instructions. Come back if you have questions.
[19:35] <Klabautermann> yes i have bought usb drive and empty cd
[19:35] <Klabautermann> how do i get it upon it
[19:35] <gmachine_24> Klabautermann, I am done with you.
[19:35] <gvo> Klabautermann: Read the instructions.
[19:35] <zykotick9> xblind135: no idea what you are doing.  but "linux32 bash" should start an emulated 32bit shell.
[19:35] <Klabautermann> well all are talking about construction construction construction??? which construction???
[19:35] <gmachine_24> or, as we used to say. rtfm
[19:36] <gvo> Klabautermann, really? http://www.ubuntu.com/download  go to this page and read.
[19:36] <gmachine_24> thief
[19:36] <Klabautermann> ok but this is so much...okay then i will report it to you if come back
[19:36] <xblind135> zykotick9: It is software used to do FPGA dev, it is for a class i am taking
[19:36] <Ommpansthe> gvo, I am shocked. I didn't understand the syslog file, so I deleted it. Later I tried to reconnect again. It asked me the password, I wrote it again. It connected. I don't know how I fixed it :-|
[19:37] <Klabautermann> But if I have questions i can come back yesss???
[19:37] <gvo> Ommpansthe: Good for you
[19:37] <Areckx> hihi
[19:37] <zykotick9> xblind135: well, good luck.
[19:37] <gvo> Klabautermann: Sure
[19:37] <Klabautermann> okiii
[19:37] <ceti331> anyone know there way around stl
[19:37] <gvo> Ommpansthe: Don't delete the syslog file....
[19:37] <gmachine_24> Anyone tell me why aptitude update will install pkgs held back using apt-get update?/upgrade?
[19:37] <Ommpansthe> gvo, thanks for your time. Maybe the things that you tell me to write on console fixed it.
[19:37] <ceti331> beyond just using it,
[19:38] <gvo> Ommpansthe: are you sure you turned wep back on?  ;)
[19:38] <zykotick9> gmachine_24: aptitude != apt-get
[19:38] <Ommpansthe> gvo, it would reapear again. I am used to deleted it each 2 weeks due to the big size (sudo rm -r /var/log)
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> gmachine_24  that's a difference between aptitude and apt-get
[19:38] <Ommpansthe> gvo, I'll check XD
[19:38] <ceti331> i'm curious to know if there is a standard version of std::vector where capacity always = size, i.e. no information is stored relevant to dynamic resizing
[19:38] <xblind135> zykotick9: thanks, the problems i have seen people have had are all related to running this 32bit app on 64-bit machines
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> gmachine_24  another difference has something to do with kworker
[19:39] <ssta> ceti331: maybe ask in #c++ ?
[19:39] <ceti331> ok
[19:39] <zykotick9> xblind135: you'd typically use "linux32 REALAPHERE" instead of bash
[19:39] <gvo> Ommpansthe: all the fils in /var/log take care of themselves.  Don't need to delete anything.
[19:39] <gmachine_24> MonkeyDust, thank you. Is it something I need to be concerned about? I have been using aptitude to update/upgrade sometimes because it does more; I'm assuming this is OK.
[19:40] <Ommpansthe> gvo, yes, WEP is activated. Also a lock appears on the wireless logo. So the problem is solved, thanks for your time.
[19:40] <xblind135> zykotick9: REALAPHERE?
[19:40] <gvo> Ommpansthe: great.
[19:40] <zykotick9> xblind135: sorry, real application here
[19:40] <Ommpansthe> gvo, how often they autodelete themselves?
[19:40] <xblind135> i see
[19:40] <xblind135> let me try it
[19:40] <Ommpansthe> I am going to dinner, I'll read this later ;-)
[19:40] <gvo> Ommpansthe: I think they keep about 8 copies around and then delete the oldest one.
[19:41] <gvo> Ommpansthe: but some files may have different rules.
[19:41] <SqRt7744> Does anyone know of a way to import .vcf files into ubuntu-one, or at least thunderbird?
[19:42] <Areckx> ok
[19:42] <gvo> Ommpansthe: there's a program/script named logrotate that has a conf file at /etc/logrotate.conf, if you are interested.
[19:42] <Areckx> so I managed to boot into 12.04 so no more grub rescue
[19:43] <Areckx> network manager is missing
[19:43] <gvo> !12.04
[19:43] <zykotick9> Areckx: for 12.04 support please use #ubuntu+1
[19:43] <Areckx> I can't download it on the machine
[19:43] <bittin> the trunk kernel is kinda stable in DebianPPC :o
[19:44] <gvo> :q
[19:44] <gvo> :Oops, sorry
[19:45] <xblind135> I got the floorplanner to run!
[19:45] <xblind135> thank you, now I can at least get started on doing something useful for the class beyond installing software
[19:50] <Ommpansthe> gvo, interesting. That would solve my space problem. Thanks again, dude.
[19:50] <gvo> Ommpansthe: NP
[19:51] <Ommpansthe> gvo, NP?
[19:52] <mouth1> i heard that with the open source ati driver the system might use more electricity and the temperature and fans are higher
[19:52] <mouth1> can this damage my system?
[19:52] <gvo> Ommpansthe: no problem.
[19:52] <n-iCe> hello I can't connect to my wifi, says SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-KILL I already did some commands to unblock that I found in google but nothing, still blocked, any ideas?
[19:52] <mercedes> lubuntu have a store
[19:52] <mercedes> like ubuntu
[19:53] <mercedes> lubuntu have software center
[19:53] <mercedes> or not
[19:53] <compdoc> what do you want to buy?
[19:54] <mercedes> nothing only install games apps etc
[19:54] <mercedes> ...
[19:54] <compdoc> well, most apps are free in both
[19:54] <trism> mercedes: you can install software-center in lubuntu, the repos are the same, but I don't think it will be installed by default
[19:55] <compdoc> theres a lot in the repositories
[19:55] <mercedes> how i can install it
[19:55] <trism> mercedes: sudo apt-get install software-center
[19:55] <compdoc> which desktop does lubuntu use?
[19:55] <mercedes> ok thanks i will try it
[19:56] <trism> compdoc: lxde
[19:57] <mercedes> thank i´m install it now
[19:57] <compdoc> does it support gnome apps?
[19:57] <mercedes> i think yes
[19:57] <guntbert> n-iCe: rfkill usually means "hardware switch off"
[19:58] <trism> compdoc: you can run gnome apps on any desktop, the only issue is how many libraries will be pulled in when you install
[19:58] <n-iCe> guntbert: what shoudl I do
[19:59] <guntbert> n-iCe: is there a hardware switch for the wifi on your notebook?
[19:59] <mercedes> one more question when i install software center it comes whit all the repositories
[19:59] <n-iCe> guntbert: no
[19:59] <guntbert> n-iCe: no fn-key combos to turn it on/off either?
[20:01] <nick_> hi
[20:01] <n-iCe> in dmesg says rtlwifi wireless switch is on
[20:01] <mercedes> when i try to install sofware center termina says that i need to try --fix-missing? or apt-get update
[20:01] <trism> mercedes: whichever repositories you have configured in software-properties-gtk, software-center will use
[20:02] <guntbert> n-iCe: then I don't know, sorry
[20:02] <trism> mercedes: can you pastebin the output?
[20:02] <mercedes> ok
[20:02] <trism> !pastebin | mercedes
[20:03] <gvo> trism: maybe mercedes should apt-get update??
[20:03] <mercedes> i dont understand how i paste images
[20:04] <SaZha> nice name anyway
[20:04] <trism> mercedes: copy and paste the output when you try to install software-center here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and give us the link
[20:05] <trism> gvo: quite possible, hard to say without seeing the output
[20:05] <mercedes> ok i now understand butt how can i get a screenshot
[20:05] <epaphus> Could anybody please give me an example how to have user1 write files with default permissions of 770 ?
[20:06] <blnk> I'm trying to get remote desktop to tunnel through SSH. I was wondering if I'm on the right track. I have the VNC client connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> on port 5901, then I have SSH on the client local port forwarding port 5901 to 5900 of the server IP. does this sound even remotely correct?
[20:06] <gvo> mercedes: highlight the text with the mouse/left key.  copy then paste into that paste.ubuntu.com window
[20:06] <trism> mercedes: don't need a screenshot, usually just the print screen button, but I don't know if lubuntu sets that up by default (although I see they install scrot, so maybe)
[20:09] <mercedes> i am pasting it now
[20:09] <steveoliver> in 11:10, how can I set Super key to a key combo like 'Control+Esc' or something?
[20:10] <mouth1> i heard that with the open source ati driver the system might use more electricity and the temperature and fans are higher
[20:10] <scientes> steveoliver, super key is binded to alot of thing in ubuntu, so dont do it
[20:10] <mouth1> can this damage my system?
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> steveoliver  system settings, keyboard, shortcuts
[20:11] <mercedes> de tab of chromium freeze i can´t paste it
[20:11] <steveoliver> thanks, MonkeyDust
[20:12] <gvo> mouth1: I understand you can change settings to make it behave but I have no idea how.
[20:12] <steveoliver> I didn't mean Super key, sorry -- I want to trigger "Dash home" with an arbitrary key combo
[20:12] <husk> .
[20:13] <steveoliver> is there a "command" for that?
[20:16] <gvo> trism: I'm afraid we're asking too much of the poor fellow.
[20:19] <OerHeks> steveoliver, yes you can! type 2 x 'windowskey' and dash will open, sesame
[20:20] <jen> is it possible to have IMVU on linux?
[20:20] <Guest75412> and if it is can someone tell me how to put it on there?
[20:20] <david> I'm using xubuntu 11.10, and i was wondering about ssh, in ubuntu there is a gui ssh program available i was wondeirng how to get that on xubuntu?
[20:21] <bekks> david: Erm, ssh provides remote terminal access - so your gnome-terminal or whatever is your "gui".
[20:21] <david> i've used ssh with a filemanager before
[20:21] <david> in ubuntu
[20:22] <david> no terminal
[20:22] <jennnnnn> how can I get IMVU on ubuntu?
[20:23] <bekks> david: Thats SFTP, not SSH.
[20:23] <OerHeks> jen, the beta on wine sounds promising >> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2697
[20:24] <david> my bad, how can i get that on xubuntu, i need a package name please :3
[20:24] <bekks> ssh == secure shell (terminal access), sftp == secure ftp (== things you can do with a filemanager)
[20:26] <wylde> david: openssh-server, it provides ssh shell access and sftp services.
[20:26] <david> is that easy to install?
[20:27] <bekks> david: "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[20:27] <wylde> david: it's as easy as saudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[20:27] <david> just makin sure
[20:27] <wylde> sudo*
[20:27] <jennnnnn> so imvu does work well on wine then
[20:27] <david> ty for your help :3
[20:31] <mouth1> gvo: how do you mean, change settings?
[20:32] <azizblackbox> hello! test! iam new here xD ;P
[20:32] <guntbert> azizblackbox: welcome,  Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:36] <UkeofJersey> Okay, 2nd time today:  I've got 10.10 with FF 11.0, with about 7 tabs that I always have open.  Ubuntu freaks out:  mouse moves but nothing in GNOME is responsive including any  keyboard shortcut.  I can hear the HD reading/writing like it's attempting to replace the Library of Alexandria.  After waiting for ~10 minutes for any keyboard shortcuts to catch up, I finally give up and hard restart.  Question is:  How do I find out what t
[20:36] <david> hey how can i get the numbers I need to ssh into a computer?
[20:36] <david> like <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:37] <delinquentme> does anyone have a solid reliable library for music transfers to the iPhone 4?
[20:37] <guntbert> !10.10 | UkeofJersey time for an upgrade anyway
[20:37] <Marcellina> Hello.
[20:39] <CQ> david ifconfig -a shows you your IP address
[20:39] <jennnnnn> im having trouble with my virtualbox
[20:39] <UkeofJersey> I despise unity and tried a fresh install of 11.04 on this box (some old Dell with every old HD I could find).    Somebody have a distro that is already set to classic in every respect?
[20:40] <jennnnnn> http://pastebin.com/VjjGpsfr
[20:40] <jennnnnn> here is what it says
[20:40] <mariocki> UkeofJersey have you tried Mint
[20:40] <skel> does ubuntu update-manager support p2p yet? for updates and upgrades? Or do we still have to resort to third-party approaches like apt-p2p?
[20:41] <guntbert> jennnnnn: please ask in #vbox, they will better know what might be the matter
[20:41] <jennnnnn> they never anser
[20:41] <jennnnnn> answer*
[20:41] <Guest11969> how do i add open as administrator entry in nautilus context menu?
[20:42] <UkeofJersey> @mariocki couldn't get mint 12 to fully boot.  Gave it one good college try with it taking me to an empty desktop, then I moved to the next distro
[20:42] <thesheff17> what is your question about vbox?
[20:42] <guntbert> jennnnnn: I didn't see you ask in #vbox
[20:42] <jennnnnn> ive been there before and they never answer me, i get more stuff done here
[20:43] <guntbert> jennnnnn: but what you want in this case is not ubuntu support
[20:43] <jennnnnn> well people in here use it im sure
[20:44] <popey> skel: nope
[20:44] <Guest11969> how do i add open as administrator entry in nautilus context menu?
[20:44] <UkeofJersey> @mariocki to clarify:  "empty desktop" is a completely unresponsive pretty green screen
[20:44] <skel> popey: aww ok =/
[20:44] <guntbert> jennnnnn: yes, but still - the topic here is "ubuntu support"
[20:44] <jennnnnn> omfg
[20:45] <UkeofJersey> either way, my original question was to ask how to at least sniff out some clues as to what happened after I had to hard reboot
[20:45] <UkeofJersey> nice, general, UBUNTU question.....*cough*
[20:46] <Guest11969> how do i add open as administrator entry in nautilus context menu?
[20:46] <mariocki> @UkeofJersey, since its an old laptop its probably acpi that's causing the problem - see this http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=92637&f=46
[20:47] <UkeofJersey> ??  Not sure how I gave the impression that it was a laptop OR that I cared to give Mint another shot....
[20:48] <OerHeks> !nounity
[20:48] <UkeofJersey> My general Ubuntu question:  If my computer flips out and forces me to hard reboot, where do I find logs/dumps/etc to find out what the hell happened?
[20:49] <wylde> UkeofJersey: /var/log/variouslogfiles
[20:49] <guntbert> UkeofJersey: in /var/log
[20:49] <Guest11969> how do i add open as administrator entry in nautilus context menu?
[20:49] <jeroth_> Can anyone help me? How do I change my Ubuntu 11.10 logon screen resolution?
[20:49] <bunny68> how do you find all pids of certain user?
[20:49] <bunny68> there was this nice command -u user
[20:49] <UkeofJersey> aha!  Thank you, wylde and guntbert!
[20:49] <bunny68> can't recall damn it
[20:49] <wylde> !patience | Guest11969
[20:49] <BigNuke> bunny68: ps ?
[20:49] <bunny68> BigNuke nope
[20:50] <BigNuke> bunny68: well oO works fine here
[20:50] <rinzler> Executing grub-install /dev/sdb failed on installation.
[20:50] <fnordism> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[20:50] <bunny68> BigNuke i need pure pids, not other data
[20:51] <UkeofJersey> @wylde and guntbert:  quickly again, which log would probably be step one to find out why a CPU pegs and HD suddenly read/writes like crazy?
[20:52] <BigNuke> bunny68: mkay
[20:53] <wylde> UkeofJersey: syslog? boot boot.log?
[20:54] <TechIsCool> hey everyone I have a bash script that I want the file placed in the working directory how would I do that?
[20:54] <wylde> UkeofJersey: oh yeah, dmesg
[20:55] <EroKaos> I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 on a netbook. How do I reactivate my touchpad after removing the usb mouse? Right now, the touchpad stays deactivated after removing the usb mouse.
[20:57] <UkeofJersey> wylde:  cool, I see some things that may be an issue, but what exactly is dmesg?
[20:58] <rinzler> Executing grub-install /dev/sdb failed on installation. Any ideas?
[20:58] <wylde> UkeofJersey: shows boot info related to devices etc.
[20:58] <wylde> !dmesg | UkeofJersey
[20:58] <Kozla> привет
[20:59] <wylde> !ru | Kozla
[20:59] <dictodudeiphone> hi dudes
[20:59] <jeroth_> anyone know how to change the login screen resolution?
[21:00] <Kozla> hynya
[21:00] <dictodudeiphone> jeroth_, try going into settings, display and there should be an option.
[21:00] <renode> anyone know how to view a running process, being outputted to stdin, over ssh?
[21:01] <jeroth_> dictodudeiphone, no I need to change the login screens resolution. It is too high for my monitor.
[21:02] <dictodudeiphone> jeroth_, ok try google and go to ubuntu forums. they should have something on that.
[21:03] <jeroth_> dictodudeiphone, thats why I am here. :)
[21:03] <delinquentme> ubuntu 10.04  <<==>>  transfer music files
[21:03] <delinquentme> ubuntu 10.04  <<==>>  iPhone 4 transfer music files
[21:03] <delinquentme> is this possible
[21:03] <danand_> hi all, if there are any mac book pro (8,2) owners out there I would be very grateful if they could pastebin the output of lsinitramfs <path to their initramfs image>. I am having a bit of trouble with mine - fails to find root file system which is usually the result of a missing module...
[21:07] <maverick-sapien> hi guys! Hws everyone?!
[21:07] <f4tticus> Any one have ThinkPad T420 and issues with ubuntu 10.10 coming out of suspended mode ?
[21:07] <f4tticus> Good, and you ?
[21:08] <maverick-sapien> M good too..i m a newbie actually.. This is the ubuntu channel..right??
[21:08] <wylde> !10.10
[21:08] <f4tticus> Cool, thanks Wylde lol
[21:08] <wylde> f4tticus: not what you want to hear I'm sure heh.
[21:08] <dictodudeiphone> ask me anything...
[21:09] <maverick-sapien> Can anyone tell me how can I start my own topic (or channel, whatever it's called)??
[21:09] <f4tticus> ahaha not at all. I cant seem to find a fix and it doesnt help that its EOL
[21:09] <f4tticus> stuck running windows as host and ubuntu in vm :(
[21:10] <f4tticus> Not to sure Maverick, i would asume you need a server to host it on first off.
[21:10] <wylde> f4tticus: maybe an update will help anyway lol.
[21:10] <wylde> maverick-sapien: type /join <channelname>
[21:11] <wylde> maverick-sapien: if the channelname you choose doesn't exist it will be created and you will have ops.
[21:11] <rinzler> Executing grub-install /dev/sdb failed on installation.
[21:11] <f4tticus> where is that hosted though...same machine this chanel would be on ?
[21:11] <maverick-sapien> looks like I need an elaborate tut on how to use IRC.. Actually I joined cos I'm havin a problem with using USB drive in virtual host Scientific Linux 6.0 on VirtualBox running on Win 7 host..
[21:12] <maverick-sapien> USB isn't getting detected  :(
[21:12] <wylde> maverick-sapien: you'll probably have to see the freenode website about registering a permanent channel.
[21:12] <f4tticus> you need to allow it to passthrough to the vm.
[21:12] <maverick-sapien> sorry virtual guest Scientifnc Linux..
[21:12] <wylde> f4tticus: yes, it will be created right here on freenode
[21:12] <maverick-sapien> Did evrything,,,added filter, installed extension pack..
[21:12] <maverick-sapien> nothing works..
[21:13] <f4tticus> havent used virtualbox in a while but its a setting up top, you need to mount the usb so it is detected on the vm not host.
[21:14] <maverick-sapien> same startup message all d time.. -  usb read descriptor 64, error - 71
[21:14] <maverick-sapien> any idea hw to do that f4tticus??
[21:15] <ficarra> I have 2 questions. 1, when did software center become so slow, bloated, and such resource hog? 2, can I use the old software center?
[21:15] <oxidizer> hey anybody help me for this I was trying to install ubuntu on my laptop after booting and select install it show this " [  0.548104] Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[21:15] <ficarra> I just opened it up, and my computer practically came to a standstill
[21:15] <maverick-sapien> BTW, when I start VBOx, usb automatically is stopped being read on Win 7 host..
[21:16] <f4tticus> Maverick, just look around in the drop downs from the VirtualBox window that the Guest is running in
[21:16] <f4tticus> it is there some where, it will say "Removable Devices" or somthing
[21:16] <f4tticus> then select your USB device and mount
[21:17] <oxidizer> hey anybody help me for this I was trying to install ubuntu on my laptop after booting and select install it show this " [  0.548104] Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[21:17] <maverick-sapien> It doesnt have thtat many things to explore in the drop down menus..I have tried everything but USB just doesnt get read.. And this is a pretty common problem, which is solved for some, but unsolved for many..  :)
[21:17] <wylde> maverick-sapien: how is scientific linux related to ubuntu?
[21:17] <ficarra> Which brings me to my next question, why are sites not offering a .deb, only a link to the software center?
[21:18] <f4tticus> yeah haha i was goingto ask
[21:18] <wylde> !#ubuntu
[21:18] <jrivers> I am currently running Natty, If I update to the newest version of Ubuntu...will I lose my files?
[21:18] <wylde> not the one I wanted >.<
[21:18] <maverick-sapien> wylde....  :P Actually m a newbie here.. tell me, how do i start my own topic/channel in IRC??
[21:19] <wylde> maverick-sapien: I told you already
[21:19] <oxidizer> hey anybody help me for this I was trying to install ubuntu on my laptop after booting and select install it show this " [  0.548104] Kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[21:19] <wylde> maverick-sapien: you'd have better luck looking for support through the scientific linux site.
[21:20] <ficarra> Oxidizer, you are skilled in the art of ctl + v
[21:20] <wylde> !patience | oxidizer
[21:20] <ficarra> Instead of spamming the same message, over and over again, mind giving more info?
[21:20] <wylde> !details
[21:20] <jrivers> or just type the error into Google or something, that usually yields good results
[21:20] <bunny68> can you use pkill in a way so it kills all pids of some user BUT one?
[21:20] <maverick-sapien> oh yeah..missed ur message in this storm..sorry. I'll go learn first.. bye.
[21:21] <maverick-sapien> thanks though..
[21:21] <oxidizer> thanks
[21:21] <ficarra> But seriously, am I the only one who notices a big difference in ram/cpu usage in the newer software center?
[21:22] <wylde> ficarra: I don't use it, I use either apt-get or synaptic.
[21:22] <CesarGomez> msg NickServ identify 850611
[21:23] <ficarra> I usually just use dpkg -i
[21:23] <wylde> CesarGomez: time for a password change... it's best to enter those type of commands in the server window.
[21:23] <wylde> ficarra: that works if you downloaded the package locally yes.
[21:23] <ficarra> Yeah, I usually just download the package.
[21:23] <bunny68> CesarGomez i like your nick
[21:24] <ficarra> But some people think that software center is the best way...
[21:24] <wylde> ficarra: apt-get install packagename, downloads and installs the package and it's dependancies.
[21:24] <CesarGomez> Hello, ty bunny68
[21:24] <bunny68> yw CesarGomez
[21:24] <bunny68> so can you use pkill in a way so it kills all pids of some user BUT one particular process of a known name?
[21:25] <ficarra> wylde:  How do you add sources/partners?
[21:25] <ficarra> Never heard of this before
[21:26] <CesarGomez> wylde: lol sure xD
[21:26] <JonEdney> Hey gang, can someone explain this Disck Usage Analyzer for me a bit?  It says my / folder is at 100% usage, but the size is only 21.3 GB.
[21:26] <wylde> you can use the software sources gui in system.
[21:27] <wylde> ficarra: for ppa's you can them with 'apt-add-repository ppa:repositoryname'
[21:27] <wylde> can *add
[21:28] <CesarGomez> wylde any idea ? how can i change it ?
[21:28] <jrivers> While updating from a previous version of ubuntu to a more recent version, will I lose my programs and files?
[21:28] <wylde> jrivers: no, but you should keep backups regardless.
[21:29] <wylde> CesarGomez: I'm not sure, I've never had to change mine
[21:29] <CesarGomez> :
[21:29] <CesarGomez> :(
[21:30] <bastidrazor> CesarGomez: ask in #freenode
[21:30] <CesarGomez> k tks :D
[21:31] <jrivers> thanks
[21:31] <jrivers> Do you think an upgrade from Natty is worth it?
[21:33] <wylde> jrivers: that's entirely up to you. If you intend to upgrade to 12.04 you will have to anyway, unless you plan on a fresh install of precise.
[21:34] <mouth1> i heard that with the open source ati driver the system might use more electricity and the temperature and fans are higher
[21:34] <mouth1> can this damage my system?
[21:35] <mouth1> do i have to monitor my temps to see if everything is alright?
[21:35] <Guest1155> is there any software in ubuntu to send sms and make calls through datacard?
[21:35] <fnordism> mouth1 no
[21:35] <fnordism> mouth1: if your computer starts smoking you don't need to monitor temps anymore
[21:35] <jrivers> hahaha
[21:35] <awakecoding> hi
[21:35] <mouth1> lol
[21:36] <awakecoding> I'd like to get suggestions on software to install on ubuntu to host a private mailing list
[21:36] <awakecoding> something easy to manage, with a good spam filter option
[21:36] <mouth1> fnordism: lets say i have the same problem like the other guy (i don't think i have it) where his ati card using open source drivers is always on max temperature and fanspeed
[21:36] <awakecoding> any thoughts?
[21:36] <mouth1> that would damage it right?
[21:37] <wylde> mouth1: only if the fans couldn't keep up to the temp, or if the fan fails.
[21:37] <fnordism> mouth1: he's using a hot model
[21:37] <mouth1> hmm i don't understand :(
[21:37] <dysoco|laptop> Anyone having problems to install ruby-rvm ? I get a Dpkg error, I need to install Ruby 1.9.2 as soon as possible...
[21:37] <fnordism> they do 120?C
[21:38] <fnordism> i use 1.21 jiggawatts
[21:39] <mouth1> fnordism: do you use ati?
[21:39] <jrivers> Great, thanks again wylde. Last Question; I am attempting to delete adobe air from my winetricks folder, yet it says it isn't there (it is) when i go to download it, it says I already have it installed.
[21:39] <jrivers> Any tips?
[21:40] <fnordism> yes i used ati on my notebook
[21:40] <jrivers> Also the "it" I am refering to is the terminal
[21:40] <mouth1> what drivers did you use?
[21:40] <fnordism> non proprietary
[21:40] <fnordism> those default linux ones
[21:40] <mouth1> cool!
[21:40] <mouth1> can you play 3d games and games through wine with those?
[21:41] <mouth1> i have a HD6850
[21:41] <fnordism> i think they have some open gl support
[21:41] <phillijw> I've installed MonoDevelop from the apt but I'd like to use 2.8 instead of 2.6. Can I upgrade to the newer version using apt?
[21:41] <jonathanellis> I'm trying to get my Huawei E220 mobile broadband dongle working in Ubuntu 11.10 and coming up a blank. I have looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/868034 + http://thoughtsandideas.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/workarounds-found-for-huawei-e220-on-ubuntu-11-10/
[21:41] <CesarGomez> wylde u there ?
[21:41] <ickefes> hi guys. i have a (simple) question. if i want to give a user called ftpusers permission to write to the folder /car/ftp/ what comma nd line should i write? regards.
[21:42] <SquirrelNutZippe> register
[21:43] <ak47b> hello
[21:44] <ickefes> anyone?
[21:44] <edlik1> can anyone help me get my wireless working again? Lost it after upgrade
[21:44] <jonathanellis> Sorry. Pressed enter too soon. I'm trying to get my Huawei E220 mobile broadband dongle working in Ubuntu 11.10 and coming up a blank. I have looked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/868034 and http://thoughtsandideas.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/workarounds-found-for-huawei-e220-on-ubuntu-11-10/. I have added “blacklist usb_storage” to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and then run sudo usb_modeswitch -v 0x12
[21:44] <jonathanellis> d1 -p 1003 -V 0x12d1 -P 1003 -R but I still dont know if the usb dongle is working. How do I check?
[21:45] <dysoco|laptop> Anyone knows how can I install Ruby 1.9.2 ?
[21:46] <scriptoff> Anyone knows a good java channel?
[21:46] <dysoco|laptop> scriptoff, #java ?
[21:46] <scriptoff> well
[21:46] <scriptoff> invitation only
[21:46] <dysoco|laptop> oh
[21:46] <dysoco|laptop> Didn't knew
[21:46] <dysoco|laptop> Didn't know*
[21:47] <mkanyicy> hi
[21:47] <mkanyicy> how can i change my username?
[21:47] <phillijw> #java is not invitiation only
[21:47] <fnordism> type /nick meow
[21:47] <phillijw> you just need to identify your nickname
[21:48] <scriptoff>  Cannot join #java (Channel is invite only)
[21:48] <fnordism> i thought java is cold coffe
[21:48] <phillijw> I just went into it... it's not invite only. Try identifying with nickserv
[21:48] <mkanyicy> how can i change my ubuntu login username
[21:49] <PheniX61> hehe
[21:49] <fnordism> usermod -l login-name old-name
[21:49] <fnordism> usermod -u UID username
[21:49] <droid-0854> #java print invite error
[21:49] <jonathanellis> mkanyicy: I'm not sure you can change your username but you can certainly make a new one and then delete the old one after you have copied everything across
[21:51] <jrivers> I need help deleting/Installing adobe air under winetricks. I attempted an install, it failed, now can't delete the corrupted file or install a new one. Help?
[21:51] <droid-0854> Welcome
[21:51] <danand_>  /quit b
[21:51] <jonathanellis> Can anyone help me with mobile broadband. How do I check it is working?
[21:51] <husk> any suggestions please I need a good vpn provider for ubuntu, I tried iPreditor but had PPTP failures
[21:52] <goddard> how can i add cron to the usergroup "nobody"
[21:53] <goddard> or set it to run as nobody for a script
[21:53] <tadcan> Ran this command, where would I find the output $find . -name "*.ttf" -exec cp "{}" /dir \;
[21:53] <yakster> is asound.conf and .asoundrc   interchangable?
[21:54] <mkanyicy> jonathanellis, no that will change my userid, i want to keep the same userid and stuff, but change the username from lets say 'bob' to 'foo'
[21:55] <yakster> usermod -c "Real Name" -l new_name old_name
[21:55] <yakster> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2010/07/how-to-change-your-usernameuserid-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx/
[21:56] <ak47b> hey i just created a website and want check how stong the securyty is so does anyone know how to ddos
[21:56] <DeLorean719> yes
[21:56] <DeLorean719> d:
[21:56] <DeLorean719> but I don't want your isp to get mad at me
[21:56] <DeLorean719> lol
[21:56] <mkanyicy> yakster, thanks, let me try that out
[21:56] <yakster> np
[21:57] <ak47b> ?
[21:58] <droid-0854> Ak this is ubuntu queations
[21:58] <yakster> ak47b, <IP_ADDRESS>, not a valid web page…
[21:59] <yakster> ok, for alsa, when I boot, at random times I get no sound…
[21:59] <yakster> so I am looking for asound.conf, don't have it…
[22:00] <yakster> I do have ~/.asoundrc
[22:00] <yakster> how do I statically set the sound device?
[22:01] <linux_is_my_hero> why would simple scan take forever to write a pdf?
[22:01] <linux_is_my_hero> FLoodBot1: any advice?
[22:02] <yakster> neon here good with alsa
[22:02] <yakster> ?
[22:04] <ickefes> hi guys. i have a (simple) question. if i want to give a user called ftpusers permission to write to the folder /car/ftp/ what comma nd line should i write? regards.
[22:09] <SquirrelNutZippe> ickefes, look at the group perms for the /car/ftp/ directory and then include the user you want to give access in that group
[22:10] <ickefes> so a folder can only have one static user? not a can do that and B
[22:11] <yakster> i would like to install alas global, not per user, to reinstall alas i would apt-get reinstall alsa ????
[22:11] <ickefes> can do that but only owner/user, next step one group and then the rest (others)?
[22:12] <SquirrelNutZippe> no, by adding them as a member of the group that has access to that folder you give everyone who is a member of that group access to that dir
[22:13] <SquirrelNutZippe> just run the command 'vi /etc/group', then find the name of the group that 'owns' that directory, and add the user to the list of users already there
[22:14] <ickefes> i will try that squirrel. thanks!
[22:14] <SquirrelNutZippe> np
[22:14] <SquirrelNutZippe> hope it works the way you'd like
[22:15] <ickefes> i never thought setting up a simple ftp in linux would be so difficult :)
[22:15] <SquirrelNutZippe> what kind of ftp server r u using?
[22:15] <ickefes> i am trying vsftpd.
[22:15] <SquirrelNutZippe> it might just be easier to config the user-you-want-to-give-access-to in the FTP server config file
[22:15] <yakster> I like using webmin to manage my server graphically without having a real frontend
[22:16] <SquirrelNutZippe> lol, I hear ya yakster
[22:16] <ickefes> i want a simple ftp on this laptop so that i can from my desktop download cd rips i have on the laptop
[22:16] <SquirrelNutZippe> CLI is for us 'old folk'
[22:16] <yakster> well then why even use FTP…
[22:16] <yakster> just sftp and there u go
[22:16] <yakster> SFTP is on just because you use SSH to manage your system remote…
[22:17] <ammar_ahmad1993x> hello
[22:17] <SquirrelNutZippe> ickefes, so it's desktop-from-laptop?
[22:17] <yakster> use a sftp app, like on mac i use cyberduck<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:17] <SquirrelNutZippe> do you want a quick, GUI-oriented way to do it?
[22:17] <yakster> or smb
[22:17] <ammar_ahmad1993x> I wanted to ask if I download the latest version of ubuntu, will I get support for it?
[22:17] <ickefes> laptop2desktop
[22:18] <ickefes> sftp... never tried that
[22:18] <yakster> you'll need a program on the receiving end…
[22:18] <SquirrelNutZippe> icky, you can also install 'Teamviewer'
[22:18] <SquirrelNutZippe> on both
[22:18] <yakster> what os are you on now?
[22:18] <ammar_ahmad1993x> I am on 11.10
[22:18] <ammar_ahmad1993x> I am talking about the beta
[22:18] <ammar_ahmad1993x> if I install it
[22:18] <ammar_ahmad1993x> will I get support for it?
[22:19] <SquirrelNutZippe> will prolly only get "beta" support for it
[22:19] <SquirrelNutZippe> i.e., "best effort"
[22:19] <yakster> ickefes, what os do you want to transfer to from your ubuntu machine?
[22:20] <OerHeks> support for precise pangolin in #Ubuntu+1 until release
[22:20] <ammar_ahmad1993x> so will I be able to update it to the non-beta version afterwards
[22:20] <OerHeks> yes
[22:20] <ammar_ahmad1993x> great :D
[22:20] <zykotick9> !final | ammar_ahmad1993x
[22:21] <ammar_ahmad1993x> thanks
[22:21] <OerHeks> ammar_ahmad1993x, backup your files & documents, before doing beta
[22:21] <zykotick9> ammar_ahmad1993x: only #ubuntu+1 for support
[22:22] <ammar_ahmad1993x> I also wanted to ask if I can write apps in vb.net and run them on ubuntu
[22:23] <GraemeLion> ammar_ahmad1993x: Not really, no.
[22:23] <cmon> does anyone know if editing Torrents already uploadet at piratebay is broken?
[22:23] <netsurf3_> just passing through but checkout mono ammar_ahmad1993x
[22:23] <SquirrelNutZippe> GraemeLion, will it work with mono?
[22:23] <Jordan_U> !ot | cmon
[22:23] <GraemeLion> SquirrelNutZippe: Somewhat.  Mono will let you do some things.
[22:23] <ammar_ahmad1993x> so which language do you suggest?
[22:23] <cmon> np
[22:24] <SquirrelNutZippe> what's your goal ammar_ahmad1993x ?
[22:24] <GraemeLion> ammar_ahmad1993x: Well, we do have limited C# support through mono, so you can use that, but you can't directly write in Visual studio and run on linux
[22:24] <GraemeLion> It really depends on what you wish to do
[22:25] <ammar_ahmad1993x> I recently installed ubuntu on my laptop. I use visual studio on my windows machine to make applications. I wanted to create applications for Ubuntu OS as well.
[22:26] <GraemeLion> ammar_ahmad1993x: Check out http://developer.ubuntu.com
[22:29] <Areckx> iiiiinstalling!!!!!! yes!!!!
[22:31] <ammar_ahmad1993x> great :D
[22:32] <ammar_ahmad1993x> thanks for the details
[22:32] <GraemeLion> ammar_ahmad1993x: Enjoy! :D
[22:33] <Lunar_Lander> hello
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> I notice that my firefox keeps being connected to livepass.conviva.com
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> I was watching a stream on livestream.com earlier can that be connected to that?
[22:34] <Lunar_Lander> or is that something new from youtube or so
[22:35] <Lunar_Lander> mywot says "Conviva provides real time streaming optimization and performance measurement for content providers to maximize their online video business. "
[22:36] <hossam> hallo
[22:36] <kbrosnan> that is a direct quote from their website http://www.conviva.com/about
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> yea
[22:37] <Lunar_Lander> I just wonder where that came from
[22:40] <cespare> I'm having trouble with applications hanging periodically, and I think it's because my ssd is occasionally becoming unresponsive. How can I verify this hypothesis?
[22:41] <tomvolek> HIi, I am tryign to set a cron job to run nights to backup some files, the script to back up is working. the cron does not.  my /etc/crontab entry lookslike:  15 40  * * *   tom    /home/neil/backups/acapbackup.sh    any ideas ?
[22:43] <ironm> tomvolek, have you restarted crond ?
[22:43] <phillijw> I was running monodevelop 2.6 and meanwhile I installed 2.8 from badgerports. When I open the monodevelop link it opens 2.6. What gives?
[22:43] <tomvolek> ah ironm no, thought the deamon will check for a timestamp on /etc/crontab and see if it has been changed
[22:45] <Octane> okay time to check otu 12.04 b2!!
[22:45] <Areckx> godspeed...
[22:45] <Areckx> which are you currently running?
[22:46] <Octane> 11.04 in a vm on this machine and 11.04 on my laptop... but that was after upgrading from 4.04 lol
[22:46] <Octane> err 5.04*
[22:46] <Lunar_Lander> kbrosnan, thanks for your help
[22:46] <Areckx> what pc model is the planned install?
[22:47] <spaceneedle> Thru synaptic I removed two old kernels but after rebooting I notice that the kernels show up on the grub screen. How do I remove them?
[22:47] <Octane> dual core 3ghz
[22:48] <spaceneedle> ailurus does NOT work on Ubuntu 12.04.
[22:49] <Octane> is Wubi available for 12.04?
[22:51] <Punk_Unity> Octane, should be
[22:51] <aaas> spaceneedle edit your grub menu..../boot/menu.conf? and run grub-update can't remember what it is for grub2
[22:51] <Octane> o :( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/wubi-installation-changes-mooted-for-ubuntu-12-04/
[22:52] <caserno22> whois
[22:53] <dlentz> Octane, http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/02/call-for-testing-wubi.html
[22:54] <derp_> Hey all. So, is there an equivalent to ctrl + alt + delete in ubuntu 12.04?
[22:55] <Octane> dlentz thanks
[22:55] <GraemeLion> derp_: You can ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a terminal
[22:55] <GraemeLion> andthen CTRL-ALT-F7 to get back
[22:56] <derp_> GraemeLion: Alright... cool... and then list the processes that are running and kill the trouble maker?
[22:56] <dlentz> derp_, sudo apt-get install htop
[22:56] <dlentz> (then run htop_
[22:56] <areckx_> yay
[22:56] <areckx_> xchat!
[22:57] <Punk_Unity> yay
[22:59] <Nk26> whats the best way to have something auto run on restart/boot? currently im cd /bin/znc and then running ./znc id like to automate that
[23:00] <escott> Nk26, /etc/rc.local
[23:01] <derp_> Yeah, tried ctrl+alt+f1 and it worked, but f7 to get back did not...
[23:01] <derp_> Someone was saying something about htop (or something like that?).
[23:02] <Octane> stupid question but is it easy to repartition the partitions wubi creates at a later date if i want more room?
[23:02] <escott> Octane, wubi doesnt create partitions
[23:02] <Nk26> escott do i just add the directory ? so home/znc/bin/znc and it will execute that?
[23:02] <petros> hi guys! why with nvidia drivers installed the consoles (F1-F6) appears black?
[23:03] <Octane> o
[23:03] <escott> Nk26, you should list the full path, but it runs as root which may not be what you want. if you want it to run on your login you can do that with your gnome-session-properties
[23:04] <nicekiwi> heyy, how do I access windows shares from within a Ubuntu VM with Virtualbox? Ive setup shares within VB but I dont know howto mount them
[23:05] <zykotick9> petros: have you tried (or are you currently using) a vga= or GRUB_GFXMODE= for grub?  I remember breaking nvidia's VTs trying to play with plymouth.
[23:05] <nicekiwi> :/ actually the shares HAVE mounted, but it says I dont have permission to access them
[23:06] <escott> nicekiwi, are you accessing guest files on the host or host files on the guest?
[23:06] <escott> nicekiwi, or are you sidestepping the whole thing and trying to do it as a network->network share?
[23:06] <chocolates> Hello, I used to have Ubuntu, but one day it became corrupted, and so did my Windows partition. In the end, I installed XP on the F drive, while the other two partitions were unused. Is there a way to combine the space of the other two partitions with the partition windows is on?
[23:06] <Nk26> escott im running ubuntu server does that make any difference?
[23:07] <Nk26> just using the account I created
 yes, but it din't work
[23:07] <escott> Nk26, if its a server you probably never login so put it in rc.local, but recall it runs as root
[23:07] <gohdan> nicekiwi: if you using "normal" shared folders your have to use VBoxManage
[23:08] <zykotick9> petros: well, try to undo what you did.
[23:08] <gohdan> s/you/you're
[23:09] <nicekiwi> escott: hostfiles from the guest system
[23:09] <escott> chocolates, gparted on the livecd will be able to resize partitions
[23:09] <nicekiwi> how do i graphically manage users and groups in Ubuntu 11.10 which package do I need?
[23:10] <chocolates> escott: But what if I want to give ALL the space back to windows, since ubuntu is gone?
[23:10] <escott> nicekiwi, then why not use the guest additions
[23:10] <gohdan> nicekiwi: 'users-admin'
[23:11] <escott> chocolates, yes. im not sure how else to answer that
[23:11] <nicekiwi> escott: i AM using the guest additions
[23:12] <nicekiwi> gohdan: that package dosnt exist in the standard ubuntu 11.10 repos
[23:12] <escott> nicekiwi, what are the permissions on the folder
[23:13] <nicekiwi> escott: where?
[23:13] <escott> nicekiwi, in the guest
[23:13] <nicekiwi> escott: looks like root and vboxsf
[23:14] <nicekiwi> i doubt my user is in the vboxsf group thought
[23:14] <nicekiwi> though
[23:14] <gohdan> nicekiwi: have you tried VBoxManage yet?
[23:14] <escott> nicekiwi, then add yourself to vboxsf
[23:14] <nicekiwi> gohdan: whats that?
[23:14] <nicekiwi> escott: how?
[23:14] <gohdan> nicekiwi: read sections 4.2 in the manual
[23:14] <escott> nicekiwi, usermod -a -G vboxsf username
[23:15] <gohdan> **4.3
[23:16] <gohdan> or both, since they are sort of related.
[23:16] <areckx_> *Ding dong, the Windows OS is dead!!!*
[23:19] <nicekiwi> escott: still says I dont have permisson to view contents of the drive
[23:21] <nicekiwi> gohdan: dosnt this just accomplish whats dont in the GUI of virtualbox?
[23:21] <nicekiwi> done*
[23:21] <escott> nicekiwi, sudo -i and see if you can see it as root. if you cant see it as root then its something in the host
[23:22] <nicekiwi> escott: i can see into it as root
[23:23] <nicekiwi> escott: I need to be able to access the share within digikam
[23:24] <escott> nicekiwi, if you want to paste the permissions of the folder and its contents we can look at it
[23:24] <nicekiwi> escott: how do i copy them?
[23:25] <wylde> !pastebin | nicekiwi
[23:25] <nicekiwi> wylde: thanks, but not helpful
[23:25] <nicekiwi> escott: i mean how do i see them to be able to copy them
[23:26] <escott> nicekiwi, you just said you could see them as root
[23:27] <nicekiwi> escott: i can see the files within the folders..
[23:28] <nicekiwi> escott: how do i view the permissons of the folders within terminal?
[23:28] <nicekiwi> escott: dir just shows the folder names
[23:28] <gohdan> nicekiwi: ls -l
[23:29] <nicekiwi> escott: http://pastebin.com/SnnsFztf
[23:30] <Roasted> Anybody have any experience with Lexmark X1185 printers? Trying to get the scanner portion of it working...
[23:30] <escott> nicekiwi, and as a member of vboxsf you cannot access the files?
[23:31] <wylde> Roasted: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714
[23:32] <Roasted> wylde, yeeeeeeeeep. been there.
[23:32] <Roasted> working on a new lead I just found 2 seconds ago though
[23:32] <Roasted> I should have known with this being a lexmark I should avoid it. That company is so fail.
[23:32] <wylde> Roasted: alrighty, lol so true.
[23:33] <Roasted> I just wanted a scanner to scan a bunch of tax documents I have, 15 dollars later on craigslist here I am with a lexmark clunker. :(
[23:33] <wylde> Roasted: I have a dell all in one(re-branded lexmark) that I have a windows vm setup to act as a print server.
[23:33] <nicekiwi> escott: i logged and and in again after adding myself to the vboxsf group. works now :)
[23:34] <Roasted> wylde, nice. I have a network laserjet here on the LAN. I just wanted a flatbed scanner to scan documents.
[23:34] <Roasted> wylde, so when I found this cheap all in one I snagged it almost before I realized it was a lexmark.
[23:34] <wylde> roasted, yeah printers can be a pain with any flavour of linux.
[23:35] <phillijw> printers can be a pain with windows
[23:35] <Roasted> wylde, I haven't had too much of an issue as long as I stick with proper brands.
[23:35] <Roasted> wylde, I've had just as much, if not, more frustration with lexmark/windows as I've had lexmark/linux.
[23:35] <kommand> thats why I recommend windows ^^
[23:36] <wylde> Roasted: true heh. Just not as difficult to get the fax/copy/scan options to work.
[23:36] <Roasted> wylde, my last comment still stands true. lexmark sucks on any platform. ;)
[23:36] <nicekiwi> escott: thanks :)
[23:38] <OerHeks> best printer buy tip: check openprinting.org first
[23:38] <wylde> Roasted: I went through the trouble of the VM just to use up the ink I have lol. Once that's finished I'll be shopping for a linux supported printer.
[23:39] <Roasted> wylde, good deal. I'll likely be shopping for a new scanner momentarily as I'm feeling rather homicidal the more I work with this junker.
[23:39] <wylde> Roasted: I feel your pain! heh, been there :)
[23:41] <wylde> Roasted: been here? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man5/sane-lexmark.5.html
[23:41] <Dj_FlyBy> where is the config file for Apache2 in Ubuntu?
[23:42] <wylde> Dj_FlyBy: /etc/apache2
[23:42] <wylde> !find libsane
[23:43] <Dj_FlyBy> wylde: thanks
[23:43] <wylde> !info libsane
[23:44] <skulltip> i tried upgrading to 11.10, it boots to a black screen with cursor, can't hit clt-alt-F2 or nothing. keyboard is frozen up
[23:51] <sdz> How can I configure a shortcut key to send a commonly-used string (maybe a username, email address, etc) to the current window? (running xfce4 if that matters)
[23:53] <aaas> sdz lastpass lastpass lastpass...if you are talking about logging into things
[23:55] <Areckx> wiiguy has a good quote
[23:58] <txomon> hi, is here someone with 2 screens and gnome-shell? I want to test something before reporting as a bug
[23:58] <ghil> sorry, I don't have GS installed.
[23:59] <Octane> anyone here install ubuntu with wubi? if so, how big is your install size?
[23:59] <ghil> it's customizable in the Wubi options, normal is 16go but you can go much lower than that.


[03:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Is signal-desktop secure?
[03:43] <phoenix_firebrd> I mean is signal-desktop snap package secure?
[03:45] <phoenix_firebrd> I have installed signal app on my android mobile to handle sms also, now I would like to use the signal app on desktop too and sync between the mobile client and the desktop one, so is the snap package of signal desktop  app safe?
[03:46] <phoenix_firebrd> I have doubts because in the android play store the app is provided by signal foundation,  but the snap package is by Snapcrafters
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:20] <Alexfrench> hi
[11:20] <gregor3000> hi
[11:21] <BluesKaj> o/
[17:36] <IrcsomeBot2> <Velizar Peshev> How to restore Kubuntu after Windows install?
[17:53] <BluesKaj> !windows
[17:54] <BluesKaj> !dual boot


[01:50] <Chaos2358> hi I was banned from ubuntu and ubuntu off topic a while ago and after conversing ikonia lifted my ban in ubuntu and told me he would lift the ban in off topic after a few days if i didnt flip out and verbally assault anyone else. i can't seem to catch ikonia online" been trying for three days" is there anyone else who can help me??
[05:37] <rww> IdleOne: yolandi is now echoing #ubuntu to me in PM, fyi
[05:38] <rww> also to gbear14275, by the look of it
[05:38] <IdleOne> ok
[05:38] <IdleOne> let me know if there are more
[05:39] <rww> looks like they stopped, thanks
[06:36] <bazhang> he/she is doing that lapdance stuff again? he/she was doing that in #ubuntu before I became an op, so the "I'm new" is counter-factual
[06:55] <Flannel> lapdance looks like laplace at a glance.
[07:41] <elky> eww eww eww eww eww
[07:43] <Flannel> elky: what?
[07:44] <elky> Flannel, creepies in -ot
 hooray, we have an attractive channel op for a change! <ohshaith55> elky's a gal? <ohshaith55> now i'm gonna fall all over you!
[07:45] <elky> etc
[07:45] <elky> eww eww eww
[07:46] <Flannel> classy.
[07:47] <elky> Yeah.
[09:36] <ikonia> nice one jpds
[09:37] <jpds> Just the one?
[09:37] <ikonia> yes
[09:46] <KB1JWQ> It's been a fairly quiet night, not to jinx it.
[09:46] <KB1JWQ> Network-wide, anyway.
[09:48] <ikonia> lab: hello
[09:48] <lab> ikonia, sup
[09:49] <ikonia> lab: you've been ban forwarded to this channel as you kept changing your nickname in the #ubuntu channel
[09:49] <ikonia> lab: multiple people asked you to stop and you kept doing it, so you ended up getting forwarded here
[09:50] <lab> ikonia, sorry i was trying to find a name not registered in freenode. i didn't realize iw as in the ubuntu channle.
[09:50] <ikonia> ok, have you found a nickname you want to use ?
[09:50] <lab> ikonia, yeah this one is fine for now
[09:51] <ikonia> so if I remove the ban, you'll stop swapping nicknames in the channel ?
[09:51] <lab> ikonia, of course. it was a mistake.
[09:51] <ikonia> lab: no problem then, the ban has been removed, you're welcome to leave this channel and rejoin #ubuntu
[09:52] <lab> ikonia, thanks , & sorry for the trouble
[10:38] <elky> Heads up, bacta's active.
[10:38] <ikonia> oh good
[10:39] <ikonia> not in any channels I'm in, so good luck staff
[10:39] <elky> so far just -nz
[10:40] <elky> Now in #f
[10:41] <ikonia> f# ?
[10:41] <ikonia> #f?
[10:41] <ikonia> being an idiot in #freenode too
[10:41] <ikonia> ahh #f
[10:43] <elky> Oh $deity.  Gives you a few minutes before most people will conclude ;)
[11:23] <gnomefreak> why was +1 closed instead of they way it was set (+m)?
[12:26] <gnomefreak> ok why is +1 being forward to #u if there are 75+ people in it. shouldnt we either remove them or open the channel?
[12:28] <gnomefreak> and its muted. if we forard it than noone should be in there. please un forward it and leave it muted(makes most sense since it saves us from removeing 75 people)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> forward even
[12:33] <Pici> gnomefreak: We usually don't kick everyone out when we close it.
[12:33] <gnomefreak> we shouldnt close it anyway than
[12:33] <gnomefreak> not to mention it screws up my channel order, but why have users in there if it is being closed?
[12:34] <gnomefreak> we had talked about this the other day, dont recall what my last6 time here was i think release day) but we decided to mute it and leave it open
[12:35] <gnomefreak> the way it is atm is redundant
[12:35]  * Pici sighs
[12:35] <gnomefreak> well it is
[12:41] <elky> !tonyyarusso
[12:41] <elky> buh bai to that.
[12:42] <elky> !forget tonyyarusso
[12:42] <Pici> How could you forget tonyyarusso?
[12:45] <jussi> meh, he wass weird anyway :P
[12:45] <jussi> å
[12:45] <jussi> whoops...
[12:57] <bazhang> the Hat!
[12:58] <jpds> Gandi's hosting platform going down!
[13:06] <elky> jpds, yeah, rebooting 6k servers, not in the slightest bit envious of that.
[13:07] <jpds> elky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8_Kfjo3VjU
[13:16] <gnomefreak> does anyone know Yawner?
[13:18] <elky> oh my... that is... bwahahahahahahaha
[13:47] <Pici> gnomefreak: Any qualms about opening up +1 ?
[13:56] <bazhang> * [Vhogue] (vogue@be.very.very.very.very.very.very.very.very.very.afraid.bz): Eh?  <---shades of Gary
[13:57] <Gary> bazhang: not me, but I've seen that host (or similar) before, and the user was sane
[13:57] <bazhang> Gary, referring to your !factoid of yore :)
[13:58] <Gary> I know O_O  be afriad!
[13:58] <bazhang> hehe
[13:58] <Gary> or even afraid
[14:00] <jussi> !gary
[14:00] <jussi> no more gary factoid...
[14:01] <seeker> !Gary-#ubuntu-offtopic
[14:01] <Gary> the factoid is no longer, long live the factoid!
[14:04] <ikonia> is my connection borked ?
[14:04] <Pici> hm?
[14:04] <ikonia> my connection appeared to go a bit funny then
[14:04] <bazhang> ikonia, many happy returns
[14:05] <ikonia> ah, thank you
[14:07] <jussi> ikonia: you havent parted since yesterday
[14:08] <Gary> ikonia: it's your birthday?
[14:08] <ikonia> yesterday
[14:08]  * Gary gives ikonia a belated birthday snog, with tongues
[14:09] <Pici> :O
[14:09] <ikonia> many thanks
[14:09] <Pici> ikonia: happy birthday :)
[14:09] <ikonia> taq
[14:09] <ikonia> ta
[14:09]  * Gary wonders if a belated birthday kline is appropriate?
[14:09] <ikonia> why not
[14:09] <IdleOne> wait
[14:09] <bazhang> hehe
[14:09] <jussi> Gary: do it!
[14:10] <IdleOne> happy birthday ikonia!!!
[14:10] <IdleOne> ok go for the kline
[14:10] <IdleOne> :)
[14:10] <ikonia> ha
[14:10] <jpds>  _         _               _ _               _
[14:10] <jpds> | |__   __| | __ _ _   _  (_) | _____  _ __ (_) __ _
[14:10] <jpds> | '_ \ / _` |/ _` | | | | | | |/ / _ \| '_ \| |/ _` |
[14:10] <jpds> | | | | (_| | (_| | |_| | | |   < (_) | | | | | (_| |
[14:10] <jpds> |_| |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, | |_|_|\_\___/|_| |_|_|\__,_|
[14:10] <jpds>                    |___/
[14:10] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:10] <Pici> hday?
[14:10] <Gary> shouldn't do really, we only normally attack staff on their birthdays
[14:10] <bazhang> happyday
[14:10] <IdleOne> Gary: he's going to be staff some day
[14:12] <gnomefreak> Pici: what do you mean?
[14:13] <IdleOne> < happy birthday ikonia >
[14:13] <IdleOne>  -----------------------
[14:13] <IdleOne>         \   ^__^
[14:13] <IdleOne>          \  (oo)\_______
[14:13] <IdleOne>             (__)\       )\/\
[14:13] <IdleOne>                 ||----w |
[14:13] <IdleOne>                 ||     ||
[14:13] <gnomefreak> Pici: the natty repos have been open for a while now looks like shortly after release of 10.10
[14:13] <IdleOne> since the 14th
[14:13] <IdleOne> maybe earlier
[14:13] <gnomefreak> happy birthday ikonia ?
[14:13] <bazhang> invite only
[14:15] <gnomefreak> if i was only the tool chain i would agree but since new kernel and other non toolchain packages are uplloaded it should be open IMHO
[14:15] <gnomefreak> s/i/if
[14:15] <gnomefreak> it :(
[14:16] <elky> That should be the last of my connection fun.
[14:16] <elky> Somehow my bip config got overwritten by 1.2gb of binary nonsense.
[14:16] <elky> Gosh, have you people not learned anything about obnoxious ascii art from me?
[14:16] <IdleOne> nope :( show us again please
[14:17] <Pici> gnomefreak: open sesame
[14:17] <gnomefreak> thanks
[14:17] <elky> Sorry, 1.8gb of nonsense.
[14:19] <elky>  _________________________________________________________________________
[14:19] <elky> /  _ _ _          _   _     _         _     _ _                      ___  \
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[14:20] <Gary> \o/
[14:20] <Pici> woo
[14:20] <elky> /exec -o figlet like this, idleone? | cowsay -n
[14:20] <Gary> spammers!
[14:20] <IdleOne> is that what it says
[14:21] <IdleOne> heh
[14:21] <Gary>  /bin/sh: figlet: command not found   <--- makes me cry
[14:21] <elky> then install it, silly boy
[14:21] <Pici> Or toilet.
[14:21] <popey> \o/ toilet
[14:21] <elky> toilet is good too
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[14:22] <Gary> ikonia: I would, but your in too many support channels, and I don't wanna be told off
[14:22] <IdleOne>         \   ^__^
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[14:22] <IdleOne> ok enough spam for me
[14:22] <ikonia> ????
[14:23] <ikonia> oh the birthday kline, understood
[14:23] <elky> Hah
[14:23] <Gary> ikonia: /akline ikonia 5 (or a suitably long time) Happy Birthday
[14:23] <ikonia> ha
[14:23] <elky> So that's why we see staff get klined?
[14:30] <IdleOne> For those of you who haven't seen this yet http://www.stgraber.org/2010/10/17/edubuntu-live-now-available-online
[16:12] <highvoltage> http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/moo/
[16:15] <jussi> come on peoples... this the ops channel... not ##cos
[16:15] <jussi> ##cowsay
[16:15] <jpds> highvoltage: Only from the laughing cow.
[16:16] <highvoltage> jussi: oh sorry, I thought IRC implied cows
[16:16] <jpds> jussi: I thought this was #trollathon ?
[16:16] <jussi> highvoltage: you are fine, I was just grumbling at the massive ascii art abuse
[16:20] <seeker> Internet relay cowsay?
[16:20] <jpds> seeker: What happened to your backtick?
[16:21] <seeker> Look at the other me
[16:22] <seeker> This is irc via phone
[16:22] <jussi> seeker: how do we know this is you?
[16:22] <jussi> (please id)
[16:22] <jpds> jussi: He looks over 18 to me.
[16:23] <jussi> jpds: I dont even know if it is seeker
[16:26] <Seeker`> it is me
[16:26] <seeker> Good enough :P
[16:26] <seeker> ?
[16:36] <LordCow> something i said?
[16:36] <Pici> LordCow: To what are your referring?
[16:38] <Pici> er, you.
[17:22] <ryaxnb> sorry,, didnt mean to join
[17:22] <jpds> .
[17:26] <Pici> LordCow: Can we help you?
[17:56] <LordCow> erk
[17:56] <LordCow> sorry, no
[17:56] <LordCow> just visiting
[17:57] <jussi> LordCow: may I suggest you read the topic?
[17:57] <LordCow> you may
[17:57] <jussi> ;)
[17:57] <LordCow> orite
[17:57] <LordCow> ok it's been awesome, ciao
[18:33] <maco> i seem to be Personal Tech Support For Life for that person who claimed to be qwert's friend passing on an apology for hir
[18:44] <Pici> yikes.
[18:45]  * jussi huggles maco
[18:53] <EvilPhoenix> question, is it against policies to help a user who wants to get any user to have the powers of the root user?
[18:55] <IdleOne> what is not supported is enabling the root account but all other user can have sudo privs if that is what you mean
[18:55] <EvilPhoenix> ehh
[18:56]  * EvilPhoenix reads #ubuntu-server
[18:56] <EvilPhoenix> someone stated their question in a manner interpreted as "how can I make every user get the same permissions as root iwthout sudo"
[18:56] <EvilPhoenix> without*
[18:57] <topyli> then the answer is "you can't"
[18:57] <EvilPhoenix> that's what I thought
[18:57] <EvilPhoenix> thank you :)
[18:57] <Pici> Hrm.
[21:00] <guntbert> during the last 6 months I found no one who accepted ebox as a substitute for webmin - so I suggest omitting the pointer from the webmin factoid
[21:02] <IdleOne> not sure I undestand how ommiting the ebox pointer would be helpful
[21:02] <IdleOne> omitting*
[21:03] <guntbert> IdleOne: in that keping it leads to a lot of questions about ebox - and not one person came and said they actually used it - so ...
[21:03] <IdleOne> users asking about webmin need to know that it is no longer supported and offering them the "equivalent" in Ubuntu can only be helpful to them
[21:04] <IdleOne> guntbert: if they chose to not use ebox that is another story and if they insist on using webmin which is no longer supported and ask questions about it we can refer them to other channels or a forum.
[21:04] <guntbert> IdleOne: exactly, thats why I want to keep the factoid (see my edit request above) but ebox is in no way "equivalent"
[21:06] <IdleOne> yes, I see your edit but my worry is that just telling them it isn't supported any longer is not helpful.
[21:06] <guntbert> IdleOne: in my eyes ebox is a configuration monster trying to eat your system - it uses only proprietary config files and there seems to be no way back from it - whereas stopping to use webmin is easy
[21:06] <IdleOne> ebox may not be equal to webmin but it is what is supported in Ubuntu
[21:07] <guntbert> IdleOne: to my knowledge ebox has gone commercial.... and I never actually saw ebox support from ubuntu anywhere
[21:07] <IdleOne> it is still in the repos
[21:09] <guntbert> IdleOne: yes, sure - but I'd rather tell people to use a text editor (and their brain :-) than ebox - believe me, I gave it a try
[21:09] <IdleOne> hehe
[21:09] <IdleOne> well perhaps discuss it with other ops in here see what they think
[21:10] <guntbert> IdleOne: should that mean "you will"  or "I shall" ?
[21:11] <IdleOne> guntbert: you should, since you have experience using ebox
[21:11] <maco> i think it was the word "well" not the contraction "we'll"
[21:11] <IdleOne> yes, sorry I meant well and not we'll
[21:11] <guntbert> IdleOne: ok, will do :-)
[21:12] <IdleOne> I use well to much
[21:13] <guntbert> IdleOne: you wrote "well", but I was not quite certain :-) and didn't want to insist in a matter where maybe you wanted to take it
[21:14] <IdleOne> I just feel that remove the ebox pointer would make the factoid, final, in the sense " We don't support it and don't have anything else to offer".
[21:14] <IdleOne> removing*
[21:16] <guntbert> thats exactly what is happening now (except its not "us" who took the support away), thats been an upstream decision and ahd also to do with the fact that the webmin team didn't want to work on incorporating debian configs ...
[21:16] <guntbert> *had
[21:18] <guntbert> please be so kind and point some other ops to my edit request - I shall join tomorrow again to argue it
[21:18] <IdleOne> okie dokie.
[21:19] <guntbert> g'night and thx for your time
[21:19] <IdleOne> no problem
[21:37] <Chaos2358> ikonia here
[21:37] <ikonia> hey
[21:37] <ikonia> Chaos2358: yup, lets remove your ban in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:37] <Chaos2358> thank you
[21:38] <Chaos2358> i do the /whois ikonia ikonia everytime i get on here and it alwasy shows you as away
[21:38] <ikonia> I've been away for the weekend
[21:38] <Chaos2358> ahhh vacation?
[21:39] <ikonia> Chaos2358: just a few days away
[21:39] <ikonia> Chaos2358: if you try to join #ubuntu-offtopic now, I think you ban has been removed
[21:39] <Chaos2358> yes it's lifted and thank you
[21:40] <ikonia> super
[21:40] <Chaos2358> ok going back to ubuntu
[21:40] <ikonia> cool