[16:03] <dsmythies> Reminder: Doc team meeting over in #ubuntu-meeting-2 in just under an hour from now (57 minuutes).
[16:04] <pmatulis> thanks dsmythies
[16:05] <pmatulis> i'm on the road now but will try to be there in the background
[16:05] <pmatulis> (seattle)
[16:59] <dsmythies> Doc team meeting over in #ubuntu-meeting-2 now
[17:07] <pleia2> anyone with an ubuntu member cloak can change the topics in meeting channels, but lmk what's wrong and I can help fix things post-meeting as needed
[17:54] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: No need to followup after the meeting, as shaunm_ comments clarified, correct?
[17:54] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Agreed. I misunderstood you first.
[17:55] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: Any news about our e-mail issues? I am still not convienced that the root issue is at your ISPs end and not mine.
[17:59] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: No news. After a week, the customer service people realized that they needed to pass it to technically skilled persons. No feedback yet. I'm not convinced either, but I'm certainly not sure.
[18:00] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: O.K. thanks.
[18:00] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: I have sendmail on my virtual server, so one possibility is to configure it to allow me to use my own server for sending emails. But I'm hesitating - I don't know the stuff good enough to be sure I wouldn't open for abuse.
[18:53] <ahoneybun> someone said something about me?
[18:56] <pleia2> ahoneybun: grep tells me there was during the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting-2
[18:57] <ahoneybun> I know but noone said what it was about
[18:57] <pleia2> ahoneybun: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/06/%23ubuntu-meeting-2.html#t17:38
[18:57] <ahoneybun> I did mail the list about me not being there
[18:57] <ahoneybun> I've seen it
[18:57] <ahoneybun> I have a log
[18:57] <pleia2> oh, ok
[18:58] <ahoneybun> that 'ted' person is not in here
[18:58] <pleia2> the log acknowledges your email saying you couldn't make it and asks if you're still interested
[18:58] <ahoneybun> thanks pleia2
[18:58] <pleia2> no, ted doesn't lurk heree
[18:58] <ahoneybun> in what
[18:58] <ahoneybun> sphinx/
[18:58] <ahoneybun> ?
[18:58] <pleia2> do you want me to copy the log into here? x_x
[18:58] <ahoneybun> "<pmatulis> tedmcox: ahoneycutt (spelling?) is also interested in this project"
[18:58] <ahoneybun> pmatulis: the sphinx move?
[18:59] <pleia2> "converting from docbook to RST markdown"
[18:59] <ahoneybun> where does it say that
[18:59] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/06/%23ubuntu-meeting-2.html#t17:37
[18:59] <pleia2> follow what pmatulis is saying
[18:59] <ahoneybun> oh
[18:59] <ahoneybun> got it
[18:59] <ahoneybun> cntl+f
[18:59] <ahoneybun> ctrl
[19:00] <ahoneybun> thanks pleia2
[19:00] <pleia2> sure
[19:02] <ahoneybun> I've already had great success with sphinx: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/


[06:23] <ulysses> JontheEchidna: did you see this? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Muon+Icon?content=145610
[06:31] <valorie> sorta cool -- I would take out the "1" though
[07:48] <kio_http> Hi I was wondering when we would get packages for KDE 4.7.4 for 11.10 (There are some fixes in there that interest me). Also 4.8 Beta 1 for 11.10 or precise if that's possible?
[07:53] <valorie> hi kio, it looks like the ninjas are still packaging that
[07:53] <valorie> we've had some serious challenges recently
[07:55] <valorie> I suggest writing to Kubuntu-devel list to ask
[08:03] <kio_http> valorie: I see was that about 4.7.4 or 4.8 (i think 4.8 is the difficult one)
[08:05] <valorie> we're missing our heavy hitters right now
[08:06] <valorie> Riddell was injured, I'm not sure where apachelogger_ is, ScottK is busy at work, and Darkwing is just coming back from a computer crash
[08:07] <kio_http> valorie: I see that's a real pitty
[08:08] <valorie> I'm sure it will pick up soon
[08:08] <valorie> and when the students break from school, we'll really get cooking
[08:35] <kio_http> valorie: I am a Windows developer, I'm quite proficient in VB.net and C# and I have done debian packaging before (I don't remember much now), what do you think is the best path for me to start making qt GUI applications I would need databases as well maybe mysql instead of MS SQL 2k8r2
[08:38] <KRF> kio_http: there are quite extensive examples in the qt docs (also for DB access)
[08:38] <KRF> just google for it
[08:42] <kio_http> KRF: I know, but if I understand well to use qt, I need to know C++?
[08:43] <KRF> if you know C#, it shouldn't be too hard. Qt doesn't expose the darkest parts of C++.
[08:46] <kio_http> KRF: I see, what about python and ruby?
[12:36] <allee> I assume that unity does not use oxygen as it's default theme.  So all apps/ with icons in oxygen-icon-theme (e.g. digikam bug 781728 ) look ugly.   Ohters apps install their icons in default fallback theme hicolor  (e.g. kate:   dpkg -S apps/kate. )   What's the recommended way to fix it?   Hicolor Icons in digikam-data like for kate?
[13:05] <allee> okay, all  apps that have their icons only in oxygen-icon-theme are affected.  Additionaly  app-install data does not include find app icons in oxygen-icon-theme, so it will look ugly in gnome environment :(
[13:14] <Riddell> allee: unity should install "digikam" icons and those should be used when unity icon is selected
[14:11] <Riddell> we didn't have an alpha 1 right?
[14:13] <Tm_T> we didn't?
[14:13] <debfx> yes, no one tested the images
[14:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: and welcome back, hopefully have all right now (:
[14:14] <Tonio__> hey Riddell !! Just read an email about you... I was shocked :(
[14:14] <Tonio__> I hope you're doing well...
[14:14] <Tonio__> seeing you here probably means "I'm okay"....
[14:15] <allee> Riddell:  really?  we (plasma-desktop) do not install any gnome icons for use is case this gnome-app is installed, don't we?   IMHO digikam should place icons in the 'right' directories.  I.E.  default fallback theme (that's hicolor).  Instead 'assuming' everyone has oxygen-icon-theme in the icon search path.
[14:15] <Tonio_> hi everyone btw
[14:15] <allee> Tonio_: Hi!!
[14:15] <Tonio_> allee: long time no see
[14:16] <allee> Tonio_: yes.  I don't find much time for kubuntu :(
[14:16] <Tonio_> same with me... I don't find the time, due to preparing my wedding, having a baby and so on
[14:17] <Tonio_> allee: also hard to find out motivation anymore... youngsters are doing it now, and are doing well
[14:17] <Tonio_> time to let them raise the flamme probably ;)
[14:18] <Tonio_> allee: what are the news appart from that ?
[14:19] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, I'm recovering slowly
[14:20] <Riddell> allee: it should use oxygen unless there's nothing else installed, if unity wants to provide its own icons it should install digikam icons in the unity directory
[14:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: no visible injuries, scars and so on on the long term ? I read you had bandages on half the face...
[14:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: I have one eye patched, like a pirate
[14:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope that's temporary ?
[14:26] <debfx> allee: that's a bug in the digikam package: usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/digikam.png exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere [...]
[14:27] <allee> Tonio_: nothing earth saking, excpet that my daugther has now a 'test' driving license.  So I have sit now next to here
[14:27] <Tonio_> ;)
[14:28] <Tonio_> I'm very far from that, my lil' girl is 2 month old :)
[14:30] <allee> debfx: I'll check if it's the old icon or the new one.    AFAIU it would be best if upstream would move all icons below apps/... to their application package and install in hicolor.
[14:32] <debfx> allee: applications should always install icons in hicolor and optionally add other variants for specific themes
[14:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: I hope so too but could take a week or some months to sort
[14:51] <BarkingFish> Riddell: just to let you know, I didn't manage to get any further with Libsndfile1 last night - I can't figure out what's up with it, so I'm gonna have to file on launchpad for it to be sorted.
[14:51] <BarkingFish> I've discovered it doesn't only affect audacity, it also affects VLC and kdenlive as well, kdenlive won't export audio in .wav and vlc won't encode anything whatsoever.
[14:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: ouch !
[14:57] <Tonio_> a month is quite a lot
[14:57] <Tonio_> to wait before knowing...
[14:59] <Riddell> yes I'll get bored before then
[15:00] <Riddell> I'll take kubuntu gentle this week but get back into it as I feel able
[15:01] <BarkingFish> Er... ladies and gentleman, houston has one hell of a problem.
[15:02] <yofel> BarkingFish: ?
[15:03] <BarkingFish> I just tried to report this bug (the libsndfile1 issue) and apport-bug has given me a very stern warning.  "Problem in linux-image-3.0.0-14.... This bug cannot be reported - This is NOT a genuine ubuntu package"
[15:03] <BarkingFish> this was while it was collecting system data for the report
[15:04] <yofel> hm, does 'apt-cache policy linux-image-3.0.0-14-generic' list a server it's avaliable on?
[15:06] <BarkingFish> one moment, I'll check - in the mean time, this is what it handed me - http://imgur.com/ZrAcL
[15:07] <yofel> yeah, I know, problem is it relies on a working apt-cache for that check
[15:07] <BarkingFish> I'll show you the output - be better if I paste it, it's over the 3 line limit
[15:08] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760518/
[15:09] <BarkingFish> I dunno where I got that from, musta been before I took out all the PPA's and repos which bogged my system last time
[15:09] <BarkingFish> i don't see it on apper
[15:17] <allee> debfx: I agree.  I'll bug upstream.
[15:18] <debfx> allee: I think upstream does the right thing, the package just doesn't install the hicolor icons
[15:20] <yofel> BarkingFish: -14 is from oneiric-proposed, enable it, refresh the cache, file bug, disable proposed again
[15:20] <BarkingFish> ah, ok
[15:20] <BarkingFish> thanks yofel - I took out -proposed because of all the kde 4.7.3 stuff which bust my system  and lead to me downgrading to 4.7.2 L(
[15:21] <BarkingFish> guess I musta got that before I disabled the pool
[15:37] <allee> debfx: digikam 2.1.1 builddepends on mysql-server ???  Not a lib or mysql-server-core.  Any idea why?
[15:39] <BarkingFish> yofel: Do you think there is anything else which I should add to this entry?
[15:39] <BarkingFish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsndfile/+bug/900332
[15:40] <yofel> BarkingFish: looks fine to me
[15:41] <BarkingFish> ok, no probs - I'll leave it out there and see what happens.
[15:41] <BarkingFish> The problem is, I tried to take the offending file off, which unfortunately, wants to remove 177 other packages at the same time, including most of KDE
[15:42] <BarkingFish> I've tried reinstalling it, which has absolutely no effect whatsoever.
[15:45] <BarkingFish> back in a sec, looks like while apport-bug was running, it took my sound out.
[15:45] <BarkingFish> see you in a moment
[15:46] <allee> debfx: ah, they check for existance of mysql binaries.  So looks like mysql-server-core would be enough.  Still very strange ...
[16:40] <ScottK> Any objection to me trying to get 4.7.3 into -proposed this week?
[17:00] <BarkingFish> ScottK: How is the bug ironing on 4.7.3 going?  There were quite a few there when I tried it from Neon's PPA
[17:01] <ScottK> Dunno.  I may have time later in the week to check.
[17:02] <BarkingFish> Well there was the Panel failing to respond to clicks, kernel panics while using ndiswrapper & knetworkmanager, and the biggest of them was plasma-desktop's decision to freely close itself down with a segfault at random times during your session :)
[17:03] <BarkingFish> this is why I backed out of 4.7.3 and downgraded back to 4.7.2, lot of issues I couldn't put up with :)
[17:03] <ScottK> That last one I have with 4.7.2.
[17:03] <BarkingFish> now I don't.  I'm on 4.7.2 and it hasn't happened since I downgraded
[17:18] <Riddell> no objection to 4.7.3 in -proposed
[17:30] <yofel> neither from me - got a plan what to do with soprano ScottK?
[17:33] <allee> yofel: upstream 'strongly' suggest to use 2.6.3 with 4.7.3.   I've rebuild presice soprano on oneiric (no change required).  In the first hours I noticed less .xsession-errors msg  but did do many checks yet
[17:33] <allee> s/2.6.3/2.7.3/
[17:34] <ScottK> I figured to put it in under a separate bug at the same time.
[17:34] <ScottK> Due to the upstream recommendation.
[17:34] <yofel> sounds good
[17:49] <BarkingFish> I don't have any objections to 4.7.3 being in proposed either, on the proviso that those key bugs with it are swatted before it goes out to people :)
[18:46] <rbelem_> Quintasan_, Riddell, pyside is part of the qt-project now
[18:58] <allee> as 4.7.4 will be the last 4.7 how about pkg 4.7.4 as soon as possible and backports this to oneiric instead?
[21:30] <ScottK> Because I have time this week and not at some arbitrary time in the future.


[13:40] <frankban> cjwatson: hey, is it possible to get a buidl to run in lp? https://launchpad.net/~yellow/+archive/ubuntu/theblues-unstable/+build/14218753
[13:40] <cjwatson> frankban: Is it security-critical?
[13:41] <frankban> cjwatson: no it's not
[13:42] <cjwatson> frankban: OK, it would be best for it to wait until we have the build farm back up and running generally then
[13:42] <cjwatson> sorry for the inconvenience
[13:42] <frankban> cjwatson: no problem, do you have a date already? 9th?
[13:43] <cjwatson> frankban: Hopefully earlier but it's hard to say yet
[13:44] <frankban> cjwatson: ok ty


[00:34] <Sabotender> I've been doing some research and this might be what I need to use to configure things, but is there someone who can take a quick look and confirm if this is compatible with my intended project: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessAccessPoint
[00:37] <FNAShinobi> Is there a way for my wnic to provide a virtualized interface in addition to the physical one?
[00:38] <Sabotender> it seems to provide a complete walk-through including installing the utility to broadcast a ssid and bridging two connections because the adapter that actually has an internet connection would need to be connected
[00:39] <sarnold> FNAShinobi: hmm, what are you trying to do?
[00:41] <FNAShinobi> sarnold: join two different wireless networks with one wnic.
[00:41] <Sabotender> create a wireless access point firewall that I can personally manage no matter which wireless ap I might be connected to. the prime focus here is firewall. not every client device has access to their own host files, unfortunately.
[00:43] <Sabotender> so, it takes one wireless internet connection with a wireless adapter then rebroadcasts this internet connection via a bridged additional wireless adapter
[00:43] <Sabotender> I have two wireless adapters here
[00:44] <FNAShinobi> I know OpenWRT can create two virtual access points from the same physical AP
[00:44] <sarnold> FNAShinobi: so, I think that depends upon your wifi nic; run iw list and look for the "valid interface combinations:" section
[00:44] <Sabotender> what is that
[00:45] <Sabotender> oh is that something you install on an existing wireless router?
[00:45] <sarnold> Sabotender: that guide looks reasonable enough -- except that it references /etc/network/interfaces, which hasn't really been an ubuntu thing for a few years. it'll take some work to adapt this to modern stuff.
[00:46] <Sabotender> that is an option but I have an unused Odroid XU lite here that would be a perfect candidate for this project
[00:46] <Sabotender> its hardware is found in actual wireless routers.
[00:47] <Sabotender> lol now you are scaring me hehe
[00:50] <sarnold> Sabotender: unfortunately that's the way it is with a lot of stuff on the wiki :( for a few years it was *horribly* slow and so no one made fixes as they found problems and now it's been years of not getting updates..
[00:52] <Sabotender> this adapter supports soft ap mode
[00:54] <Sabotender> *these adapters, since they are identical
[00:59] <sarnold> Sabotender: good good :) that just leaves the rest of it, hehe
[01:24] <Sabotender> 22.04 lts is the Ubuntu version I'm using. Hope its not too old/outdated
[01:25] <sarnold> Sabotender: that's a good choice; it's the instructions that are outdated
[01:27] <Sabotender> oh the architecture
[01:37] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I'm running ubuntu 22.04. The mariadb server on my system stopped working so I purged and reinstalled it. I'm now trying to restore backed-up databases. The databases directory is /var/lib/mysql, so I copied that directory.
[01:38] <bobdobbs> I've copied on the backed-up databases back to the restored /var/lib/mysql directory. But both applications and mysql commands are having trouble reading the restored database
[01:38] <Sabotender> wow  these adapters support managed and ap modes including a long list of other features
[01:42] <morgan-u2> I have 22.04. chrome quits on the regular. Things are slow now with just hexchat and discord. oops I clicked and restarted chrome. WHat Happened? How can we tell? Can I do anything?  This -chrome quitting - is new. (before it would just slow everything down to a freeze.)  OyVey!
[01:52] <sarnold> bobdobbs: hold on a bit..
[01:53] <sarnold> bobdobbs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mariadb-10.3/+bug/1997916
[01:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1997916 in mariadb-10.3 (Ubuntu) "MariaDB won't start with SSL errors after security update to 1:10.3.37-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (focal, security regression)" [High, Won't Fix]
[01:53] <sarnold> bobdobbs: does this look familiar?
[01:54] <sarnold> morgan-u2: try keeping a terminal with 'journalctl -f' running and see what happens
[01:57] <bobdobbs> hai sarnold
[01:59] <bobdobbs> sarnold: no, that isn't it.
[01:59] <bobdobbs> sarnold: This is a local maria install. On my local webdev machine. Not on the net. So I don't have an ssl configuration for it.
[01:59] <sarnold> bobdobbs: aha, dang
[02:01] <bobdobbs> It's kind of annoying. I had a complete catastropic mariadb meltdown a few months ago as well. I managed to get online help from a sysadmin who knows the Deep Magic. But there's no way I can figure this out by myself.
[02:31] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: For most of the more modern MySQL databases, just copying the files isn't enough.  You have to run backups, then restore the backups.
[02:32] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: There's an additional file - and of course I can't think of the name or location two years later and late in the evening.
[02:32] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: Do some searches on recovering the type of database that you used.
[02:33] <sarnold> "what does mariadb call a wal file" or something? :)
[02:34] <jhutchins> Yeah, something.
[02:35] <jhutchins> We had a really bad people-got-fired time trying to migrate some 5.1 databases that hadn't actually been updated to 5.1 standards.
[02:36] <sarnold> yikes
[02:59] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: when you say "run the backups and then restore them" - are you envisaging the possibility that backups can be created even when the server can read the databases?
[03:00] <bobdobbs> My knowledge of db administration is very surface-level. I can't see how that works.
[03:02] <rob0> no. You need to have the mysql/maria server running to be able to do a dump.
[03:03] <bobdobbs> k. I've got the server running again. But even trying to dump a db produces that error
[03:03] <rob0> yes, you needed to do that before the db was corrupted :(
[03:04] <bobdobbs> I don't know if the databases were ever corrupted. Unless that's what the error is telling me?
[03:04] <rob0> A simpler SQL implementation that does not rely on a server is sqlite3. It's adequate in many read-mostly situations.
[03:06] <rob0> Yes, you can't simply copy the db directory, as jhutchins said.
[03:07] <bobdobbs> I see
[03:07] <rob0> This isn't really Ubuntu-specific, so you might do better in a place like #mysql
[03:08] <rob0> maybe someone there will know how to recover it from where you are now
[03:08] <rob0> (I don't)
[03:08] <bobdobbs> k. I'll try there
[03:08] <bobdobbs> thanks
[04:15] <JohnnyonFlame> Hello, how am I supposed to package a lib so that cmake installs multiarch bits correct? e.g. I have a .pc file I want on the right folder
[04:19] <zterm86>  /msg alis LIST test
[05:02] <KBar> While refreshing Firefox snap, it errored out on the last step: 'Handling re-refresh of "firefox" as needed'. Does it rerun itself automatically or am I supposed to run some command?
[05:22] <arraybolt3> KBar: What was the error?
[05:29] <KBar> arraybolt3 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yt8khfvNG5/
[05:29] <KBar> 2022-11-30T09:56:58+05:00 ERROR Post https://api.snapcraft.io/v2/snaps/refresh: dial tcp: lookup api.snapcraft.io: no such host
[05:33] <KBar> I think there was a command to "replay" a change?
[05:37] <Flotsamm> hello, is PowerBI available for ubuntu 22.04 LTS or are there any alternatives?
[05:48] <marcopolo1_> Where will the iso go if i curl iso > iso
[05:51] <arraybolt3> marcopolo1_: It will become a file named "iso" in the current folder.
[05:51] <arraybolt3> So if you're in your home folder, you will be left with a file named "iso" in "/home/<username>".
[05:51] <arraybolt3> (Where <username> is your username.)
[06:44] <morgan-u2> sarnold, I  will do -- $ journalctl -f   what do I do with this after chrome quits again?  I might have to ask you this twice. (I will search back for my nick.)
[06:58] <thomasd13> Good morning guys. I have a little problem with my cross-debugger (gdb) built by yocto: When I try to execute it, it says: error while loading shared libraries: libncursesw.so.5: cannot open shared object file
[06:58] <thomasd13> But the shared library "libncursesw.so.5" is installed. And if I'm doing an "ldd gdb" it also gets listed by its full path
[06:58] <thomasd13> I've moved from Lubuntu 18.04 to 22.04. At 18.04 it just worked as expected. Has anyone an idea whats wrong here?
[06:59] <thomasd13> This log explains in detail: https://dpaste.org/vtYPe
[06:59] <arraybolt3> thomasd13: To be clear, you're building gdb from source using yocto?
[06:59] <thomasd13> arraybolt3, yes
[07:01] <thomasd13> The same gdb binary works on lubuntu 18.04, butn ot on 22.04. I dont understand why it does not find the libncursesw.so.5
[07:02] <arraybolt3> thomasd13: You might need to rebuild it on 22.04 if you're using the exact same binary as before. Is there a reason that gdb from the Ubuntu repositories isn't working for you?
[07:04] <thomasd13> arraybolt3, I need a cross toolchain, which runs on a normal intel 64 bit CPU, but builds my software for AArch64 Arm processor. To debug the stuff, I also need the correct gdb for it. Thats why I rely on yocto stuff
[07:06] <arraybolt3> thomasd13: Ah. Is it possible that the soname of the library is no longer the same?
[07:06] <thomasd13> arraybolt3, I dont think that this should be necessary. The shared lib is in the correct place, its in the correct version, and its in the correct architecture
[07:07] <thomasd13> arraybolt3, no, its exactly the same. I checked it also on my working lubuntu 18.04 image
[07:15] <thomasd13> Okay, I think I found the issue (or more an hint) with strace
[07:15] <thomasd13> thanks for jumping in arraybolt3 :)
[07:15] <arraybolt3> Glad to at least try to help!
[07:57] <hiya> unknown time until fully charged <-- I get this and my charging is stuck at 99%, its a brand new laptop thinkpad, also power stats is a bit weird
[07:57] <hiya> Can you take a look?
[07:58] <hiya> When I take the AC adapter out and plugin, it says 'Full charged' for a moment and then goes back to unknown time until full
[08:03] <elias_a> hiya: This is due to the hardware and because the battery is new.
[08:04] <hiya> elias_a: So what to do then? in bios it shows 100% charged :(
[08:04] <elias_a> hiya: New batteries require usually a few charge discharge cycles get full capacity.
[08:05] <hiya> elias_a: https://share.riseup.net/#rhslfk1cuQkuGTtOGKN8Rw
[08:05] <hiya> elias_a: but it use to show 100% correctly before for like first 5-6 charge
[08:06] <hiya> only until recently after I tried F37, this bug appeared, it showed 97% fully charged there or 99% full charged and stuff
[08:06] <hiya> Design and Energy difference are there in power stats
[08:06] <hiya> I think that is causing it
[08:06] <hiya> It is overcharging
[08:08] <elias_a> hiya: Nope. What the numbers tell you is that your battery has more capacity than design (specified) capacity.
[08:08] <elias_a> This is not an Ubuntu issue, though.
[08:09] <hiya> Omg, see it is 100% charged now
[08:09] <hiya> Randomly after a while
[08:09] <hiya> :(
[08:09] <hiya> What is going on
[08:09] <hiya> iCry
[08:09] <hiya> elias_a: so it is not a gnu/linux issue? But bios shows it correctly only?
[08:09] <elias_a> hiya: The last mWh:s are charged very slowly with trickle charge.
[08:10] <hiya> ok :) So my battery is all good? I need not cry?
[08:10] <elias_a> hiya: Your battery is oustanding.
[08:10] <hiya> I am getting supreme performance on power saver mode, it runs for ~12h
[08:10] <hiya> MBP 16" level on T16 AMD :P
[08:10] <elias_a> outstanding... :)
[08:13] <hiya> elias_a: but this last 1% makes me nervous
[08:14] <hiya> Is Linux kernel 6 coming to 22.10?
[08:16] <elias_a> hiya: That 1% difference is caused by the fact that boot process of your computer consumes more power than when just looking at BIOS with virtually no comsumption.
[08:19] <hiya> hmmm
[08:19] <elias_a> The AC adapter is not necessarilya able to push enough amps for both boot and charge.
[08:20] <node1> hello
[08:20] <hiya> Okay
[08:20] <node1> What could be the issue? https://pastebin.com/raw/XeLFvnKh
[08:20] <elias_a> And as I see o hint in your picture that it is a Lenovo laptop, i have to say this typical charging behaviour of Lenovo.
[08:21] <hiya> elias_a: I see. It is my first thinkpad in life. I bought by selling 1 kidney :P
[08:21] <hiya> I prefer GNU/Linux over macOS
[08:36] <Diagon> 22.04 with nvidia dGPU & drivers. Nvidia Settings >> X Server Display Config - shows no sign of display connected to mDP. Thoughts?
[09:41] <medi> medi
[09:49] <tangarora> maybe you are logged in to a wayland session instead of an X session?
[09:49] <tangarora> wayland is default for many distros now.
[09:49] <tangarora> I have noticed limited support for the NVidia tool in wayland.
[09:57] <Sabotender> yep, I need to configure this system to automatically log in during start up, heh
[11:04] <Sabotender> ugh. why can't this ever be a simple process
[11:08] <dTal> so, my soundcard recently spontaneously disappeared from my workstation
[11:09] <dTal> It's the built-in audio to the motherboard, "25:00.4 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse HD Audio Controller"
[11:09] <dTal> It shows up on lspci but not in /dev/snd or anywhere else
[11:09] <dTal> when I try to do "modprobe snd_hda_intel" I get "modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found in directory /lib/modules/5.15.0-48-generic"
[11:10] <dTal> I guess some sort of borked update?
[11:10] <ravage> the current 22.04 kernel version is 5.15.0-53
[11:14] <Diagon> tangarora / with nvidia drivers, ubuntu is automatically set to use X.
[11:30] <JakePsydon> Greetings from Athens
[11:31] <JakePsydon> Do you think 22.04 is buggy?
[12:40] <oerheks>  /clear
[12:59] <tangarora> I have never had any trouble with Ubuntu in the last 8 years on multiple devices. It just works.
[13:00] <tangarora> Though sometimes when vendors do some strange things, using strange chipsets, to save a buck or two... problems may occur.
[13:03] <tangarora> Lenovo, and most Dell models work without a problem... mostly so does HP, but sometimes they do have issues like with the mobile data chipset. Where as Dell and Lenovo use USB emulation in their WWAN hardware HP did not; requiring a highly speciffic driver for it... that ofcourse does not exist for linux.
[13:04] <tangarora> For a seamless experience (like if you buy a laptop with os installed)... buy one with linux installed. You have several vendors that deliver Linux preinstalled. Even Dell does.
[13:09] <weq> Anyone have a POC of installing ubuntu with LUKS+TPM during an automated installation process...?
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:58] <SteelRose> Hi BluesKaj
[13:58] <BluesKaj> hi again SteelRose
[13:58] <SteelRose> :-)
[14:47] <ThePendulum> 'lo, wondering if anyone else has had a lot of issues with the recent nautilus update, or if it's just this particular installation. what comes to mind: scrolling up keeps jumping to the bottom, lots of total crashes especially in remote directories, can no longer copy text from other windows when renaming files, the bookmarks refuses to let me open the same location in two different tabs; I have to
[14:47] <ThePendulum> browse one of them away first
[15:03] <bancroft> is there a way to list the last things the OOMKiller killed even if it's scripts and not services?
[15:09] <pavlos> grep -i 'killed process' /var/log/syslog
[15:10] <SteelRose> bancroft: it's reported in the kernel log
[15:10] <SteelRose> so, what pavlos said
[15:10] <bancroft> great thank you!
[15:10] <respawn> Weird Al - Headline News
[15:11] <leftyfb> respawn: can we help you with something?
[15:11] <respawn> ups sorry
[15:19] <snow_richard> hi
[15:20] <snow_richard> I rebooted my router so I guess I ghosted rssnow1
[15:22] <leftyfb> snow_richard: /join #libera for help with IRC
[15:23] <snow_richard> i used to use freenode before everyone left lol
[15:24] <snow_richard> i am in a 22.0.4 virtualbox
[15:24] <snow_richard> the machine is windows 10
[15:25] <leftyfb> !discuss | snow_richard
[15:25] <snow_richard> I did have one question.
[15:25] <snow_richard> in Virtualbox, and hyper-v virtual machines
[15:26] <snow_richard> its not booted, so snapd doesn work
[15:26] <snow_richard> can't connect to socke
[15:26] <leftyfb> snow_richard: can you elaborate on "not booted"?
[15:27] <snow_richard> if you use hyper-v example, when you try to
[15:27] <snow_richard> install a snap you get a message about not being able to connect to the snapd server socket
[15:28] <snow_richard> canonical has this hyper-v based virtual machine
[15:28] <snow_richard> it doesn't run systemd\
[15:29] <snow_richard> or any other standard kind of startups
[15:29] <leftyfb> snow_richard: can you link to this image you're referring to?
[15:29] <pavlos> sudo systemctl status snapd.service
[15:30] <leftyfb> pavlos: "doesn't run systemd"
[15:30] <snow_richard> actually i disabled the hyper-v because it wasn't
[15:30] <leftyfb> snow_richard: ok, we can't troubleshoot an environment that doesn't exist
[15:30] <snow_richard> that useful lots of startup time.  Virtual box is working well now I just think snapd is delayed in starting on it but eventually it does
[15:32] <snow_richard> anyway I think I have registered on the canonical forum so I could ask there if I want
[15:37] <hggdh> this sounds more like a WSL install (which did not have systemd until about a month ago)
[16:08] <Sabotender> I completed the steps defined in the  document for configuring an access point but there is now no connections, and nmcli con show does not show any device that is bound with an ID such as wlan0, etc. is there any other place where this info might e displayed?
[16:10] <rob0> is this AP using hostapd?
[16:10] <Sabotender> yes
[16:12] <rob0> your AP is configured by NM? I wouldn't think that makes sense. Typically it should be a static IP configured the old way.
[16:14] <Sabotender> but only one adapter I wanted to e configured using that. I wasn't aware that I could use my exxisting configuration with the static IP I set using the mate GUI advanced network connection section
[16:14] <Sabotender> that's how I configured the static IP
[16:14] <Sabotender> since I couldn't do it using nmcli
[16:21] <Sabotender> I need to determine how these wireless nics are assigned , theres no data with this info. I thought it would e wlan0 and wlan1
[16:23] <rob0> "ip addr ; ip link ; iwconfig" to a paste site
[16:30] <Sabotender> oh that might e difficult since this odroid has no internet connection now and I would need to type it manually . just a moment please
[16:36] <rob0> ugh, sorry
[16:43] <rob0> I guess you could take a picture and post that?
[16:43] <rob0> normally I don't care for that :)
[16:44] <EagleOwl> NickH Awesome help with recovering that file. Thanks tons!
[16:47] <bfortified> do cloud-init module commands get run in the order they are defined in the user-data files? Wondering if it matters if `package_update` is run before or after a PPA is added.
[17:03] <Sabotender> rob0:  https://pastebin.com/VHW28uVM
[17:08] <Sabotender> I think I should had connected both adapters first before configuration, and gone from there. I already configured port forwarding and installed dhcp....which failed according to the log
[17:11] <Sabotender> I may need to start over with a fresh image but I am so disappointed because I did so much
[17:12] <Sabotender> how will I at least export the device driver so I won't need to compile that again? that was a royal pain
[17:15] <bumblefuzz> if I just ran a simple `rm filename` on an SSD, what's the best way to get that file back?
[17:15] <bumblefuzz> or can I
[17:15] <bumblefuzz> ?
[17:16] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: the best way is using your backup
[17:16] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: the 2nd best is with a tool like "photorec" while mounting the filesystem read-only using a live usb
[17:17] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: note: the latter is not guaranteed
[17:19] <Sabotender> hmm I can just remove all the packages that I used for this thing to try to roll back everything
[17:23] <pavlos> bumblefuzz: if you remove it via the File Manager, you can find it in Trash but if you remove with rm, it is gone.
[17:23] <bumblefuzz> there is no recovery option?
[17:23] <jhutchins> bumblefuzz: Only if you set one up.
[17:23] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: no
[17:24] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: well, yes. It's called backups
[17:25] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: or a filesystem that supports snapshots
[17:25] <jhutchins> You can set up "trashcan" systems with many of the file managers, but they don't often apply to console commands.
[17:26] <pavlos> you can alias 'rm' to 'rm -i' so it will ask you, do you want to remove file?
[17:26] <pavlos> eg. touch buzz; rm -i buzz
[17:29] <jhutchins> Sure, you could take a vacation day during the trip, tag it on at the end or somethnig.
[17:29] <jhutchins> Sure, you could take a vacation day during the trip, tag it on at the end or somethnig.
[17:29] <jhutchins> (Sorry, irssi buffer still wonky.)
[17:29] <jhutchins> Photorec or ddrescue are about the only things you can do _after_ you've deleted something.
[17:39] <bumblefuzz> so, there aren't any file recovery programs that work on SSD'S?
[17:39] <bumblefuzz> I already tried testdisk and it didn't recover anything
[17:40] <lotuspsychj3> did you photorec the whole drive bumblefuzz ?
[17:40] <bumblefuzz> I used testdisk
[17:41] <bumblefuzz> I couldn't figure out how to use photorec
[17:42] <bumblefuzz> `sudo apt install photorec` doesn't work
[17:42] <lotuspsychj3> bumblefuzz: photorec is a part of testdisk, sudo photorec
[17:43] <lotuspsychj3> bumblefuzz: then choose the filetypes you want to recover and the important part a media to recover to, another drive then the one you recover
[17:44] <bumblefuzz> and if nothing comes up?
[17:44] <bumblefuzz> I literally just deleted it
[17:45] <lotuspsychj3> bumblefuzz: i never seen a drive yet, that photorec didnt find files to recover from
[17:45] <rob0> Sabotender: your paste is 404, expired too soon?
[17:46] <bumblefuzz> lotuspsychj3 nothing is appearing is photorec
[17:46] <rob0> Like others, I try to work in IRC between $dayjob tasks.
[17:58] <Sabotender> zomg Ijust discovered something
[18:00] <Sabotender> I removed all of those packages that were outlined in that guide, and cleared the horrible port forwarding thing and reconfigured the wireless adapter with the first removed to restore internet connectivity. connected remotely via ssh and then inserted the second adapter, checked status via nmcli and lo and behold I see wlan0 and wlan1
[18:01] <Sabotender> and so theres a significant problem with this configuration guide somewhere
[18:04] <Gabriel> hola
[18:09] <Sabotender> so now I have questions.  is the mate connection mamager compatible with hostap , and is it possible to bridge two wireless adapters together, and is there a way to force the ate connection manager to ignore wlan1 so it won't manage it at all or is there a way to remove the mate gui connection manager so I can use nmcli instead?
[18:11] <rob0> It is possible to bridge multiple network adapters. Most consumer routers do this with Ethernet+802.11. You can bridge two 802.11 interfaces, but I'd wonder why you'd want to do that?
[18:12] <rob0> I doubt the GUI thing is your problem, but I do not know anything about it.
[18:13] <rob0> Did we ever get to what the ultimate goal is here?
[18:14] <Sabotender> no I completely lost internet connectivity and wlan0 and wlan1 vanished from discovery
[18:16] <Sabotender> oh one more question, one wireless adapter needs to connect to a different distant access point to get an IP and provide internet connection for the other wireless adapter, which is going to be operating as a standalone access point
[18:17] <Sabotender> I'm trying to create a firewall which I can manage for multiple connecting clients
[18:21] <Sven_vB> Hi! I'm trying to set up Ubuntu focal with multiple user accounts, centralizing most user session settings but allowing for customization where needed. The traditional way seems to be to copy full sets of config at account creation time, via /etc/skel or other means. However, I'd like to have changes in default settings to continuously propagate to all users who don't have their own opinion on a setting (e.g. what background image and mouse pointer
[18:21] <Sven_vB> texture). I read that at least for openbox and xfce, I should thus configure /etc/xdg/{openbox,xfce4} rather than /etc/skel. However, /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml advises "Do not edit this file, it will be overwritten on install. Copy the file to $HOME/.config/openbox/ instead." So am I again limited to an all-or-nothing approach to settings propagation? What exactly does it mean by "install"?
[18:40] <Sven_vB> are there Desktop Environments that can have ordered priority pluggable config files where later settings overwrite earlier ones? much like in systemd.
[19:01] <alkisg1> Sven_vB: ls /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ ==> the structured settings are there, with priorities and all
[19:22] <Sven_vB> alkisg1, thanks!
[19:23] <alkisg1> 👍
[19:26] <Sven_vB> alkisg1, I can't find a file for xfce4 display power settings though. does it mean I have to create it, or am I looking in the wrong place?
[19:27] <Sven_vB> same with panel settings
[19:30] <alkisg1> Sven_vB: I'm not using xfce, but the typical way is:
[19:31] <alkisg1> You run dconf watch / to watch for gsettings changes; then you go to e.g. change the wallpaper; and the watch tells you which setting was changed,
[19:31] <alkisg1> then you grep -r in that directory to locate the change if you wish, along with the others; and you can add your own files there to override the defaults
[19:46] <Sven_vB> alkisg1, will try, thanks!
[20:32] <tiago> hello
[20:34] <rrr> holla
[20:49] <Guest67> hi all
[20:49] <Guest67> what performance enhancements for linux are worthwhile anyone any clue?
[20:50] <rob0> That would depend on what you are trying to do with it. Also, that doesn't sound like an Ubuntu-specific question.
[20:50] <Guest67> debian. almost same right
[20:51] <Guest67> im building a setup and trying to get some further ideas for including in it. so any suggestions are welcome
[20:51] <arraybolt3> Guest67: You might find more info in #debian. Ubuntu is based on debian but significantly different from it, so advice that works on Ubuntu may not apply to Debian.
[20:52] <rob0> Best way to improve performance in Linux is to give it really good hardware and lots of RAM.
[20:53] <arraybolt3> And avoid GNOME. (That's my experience anyway.)
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> #debian is on irc.oftc.net
[20:53] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: They have a channel here too.
[20:53] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: It's unofficial.
[20:54] <Guest67> i just ask around in any group. linux optimizations are same all over
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Ah, didn't know that.
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> !debian
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Guest67: That's not necessarily true.
[20:54] <Guest67> well i have my setup im working on here https://github.com/thanasxda/basic-linux-setup/blob/master/init.sh if anyone catches anything thats not in let me know
[20:54] <Eickmeyer> Guest67: We do not support Debian here. Sorry.
[20:54] <arraybolt3> Packages in Ubuntu may have differences or optimizations that Debian doesn't have, and vice versa.
[21:04] <kilbith> hey, noob question: how to disable nouveau and use the intel gpu only on ubuntu 22.10 please?
[21:05] <Guest67> x21="$( if dmesg | grep -q nouvaeu ; then echo " nouveau.modeset=0 nvidia-drm.modeset=1 nvidia-uvm.modeset=1" ; else echo " rdblacklist=nouveau nouveau.blacklist=1 nouveau.modeset=0 nouveau.runpm=0" ; fi)"
[21:05] <kilbith> needs rebooting I guess?
[21:05] <Guest67> export DRI_PRIME=1 to use primary gpu. also check bios
[21:05] <Guest67> those are kernel parameters btw i copy pasted from the script above
[21:06] <kilbith> no because there's also a windows partition
[21:06] <kilbith> PRIME's not installed because nvidia driver's uninstalled
[21:06] <Guest67> basically just set your primary card in bios and hook it up
[21:07] <Guest67> peg or pci option
[21:07] <Guest67> or igd i dont know how its called
[21:07] <kilbith> would it affects Windows badly?
[21:10] <arraybolt3> kilbith: Exercise caution using random lines of code from here - Guest67 is not a trusted user and I'm not quite sure what the... oh great, now you're gone too.
[21:17] <rob0> haha
[21:17] <rob0> trolololol
[21:18] <arraybolt3> It looks like the code just sets a variable with some kernel options, but what the options do, I'm not sure yet. And it doesn't appear to save the variable anywhere.
[21:21] <rob0> the spelling of nouvaeu would be enough to fail :)
[21:23] <arraybolt3> oh lol
[21:28] <Sabotender> hello can someone help me find the correct version of nmcli which is in a dpkg form so I can install it via USB? I am not sure which would e appropriate for my version of ubuntu
[21:29] <Sabotender> I removed the gnome connection manager  gui applet which was conflicting with nmcli and it accidently got removed along with it.
[21:29] <sarnold> Sabotender: it's in the network-manager binary package
[21:30] <sarnold> Sabotender: look for it in /var/cache/apt/archives/  -- you might already have a copy on the machine
[21:31] <Sabotender> oh would it remove it if I used apt--get purge?
[21:33] <sarnold> apt-get purge doesn't touch the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:33] <sarnold> packages are put there as they are downloaded and installed, there's no guarantee that anything will ever be in there
[21:33] <sarnold> and it's very handy to delete packages from there when you're short on disk space :)
[21:37] <Sabotender> hmm looks like I have unmet dependencies and apt reports broken packages
[21:41] <Sabotender> I will try to find the package and dependencies so I can install them via USB
[21:42] <sarnold> Sabotender: apt-rdepends network-manager
[21:43] <alkisg1> Sabotender: run sudo /usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig enp2s0, or whatever your ethernet is, to get internet connection, to be able to install stuff normally
[21:44] <Sabotender> for wireless?
[21:44] <Sabotender> i'll try
[21:44] <alkisg1> No cable?
[21:44] <alkisg1> No that's for ethernet
[21:45] <Sabotender> ethernet is not possibble for this odroid. wireless is the only option for internet
[21:46] <alkisg1> OK, I didn't see neither the wireless nor the odroid part :)
[21:47] <alkisg1> Try sudo apt install network-manager, to see which packages it needs, even if it fails. Then with apt install --print-uris package you may see the url to download it
[21:48] <arraybolt3> Is anyone else experiencing strange issues with LibreOffice Calc, especially when it comes to any text that includes email addresses in it? So far I found one really weird bug that I already reported (strange text corruption and duplication), and now I've been lately experiencing another one where multi-line text in a single cell that contains email addresses will end up mangling line breaks,
[21:48] <arraybolt3> merging lines that shouldn't be merged and splitting them in other places.
[21:48] <arraybolt3> This is on Kubuntu 22.04.
[21:50] <arraybolt3> Oh it gets worse, it's also randomly deleting some characters in the cell. What in the world?!
[21:51] <sarnold> arraybolt3: maybe something like https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/6/21355674/human-genes-rename-microsoft-excel-misreading-dates  ?
[21:52] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Oh that's hilarious. But no, it's not misreading anything, it just seems to have some parsing glitches when it comes to email addresses.
[21:52] <sarnold> arraybolt3: I'm wondering if maybe you need to set a format on the field to "text" or something else to encourage it to leave the field alone
[21:53] <arraybolt3> That sounds like a good idea, lemme see if my used-to-MS-Excel-blah brain can figure out the button to do that.
[21:55] <arraybolt3> There, switched the UI mode and then found the button. Just gotta make it look like Excel I guess :P
[21:55] <arraybolt3> Nope, it's still corrupting stuff, but now I think I see why. It looks like it's inserting a random newline any time it parses an email address, which is what's causing the mess.
[21:56] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Hey, thanks, that helped me debug it!
[21:57] <arraybolt3> Now I just need to file a bug report.
[21:57] <arraybolt3> But for now, I'm switching to Kate for dealing with Debian packaging, since I do not want Calc mangling my stuff.
[22:10] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: Watch out for hidden characters.
[22:11] <Sabotender> network-manager : Depends: libnmo (= 1.36.4-2ubuntu1) but 1.36.6- Oubuntu2 is to be installed
[22:13] <Sabotender> so does this mean that the network-manager package is still present, and I just need to get that lib that has yet to bbe installed?
[22:14] <jhutchins> Sabotender: Without digging through the scrollback, it sounds like you've been mixing releases or installing out-of-stream packages.
[22:15] <jhutchins> Sabotender: The way to "solve" that is to remove those packages and build a system with consistent sources, even if the packages aren't bleeding edge.
[22:15] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: He's dealing with an ODROID, I think there's some weird customizations made by the manufacturer on the Ubuntu image.
[22:16] <leftyfb> if this is a custom image, it's not supported here
[22:16] <jhutchins> That sounds like a job for Linux from Scratch!
[22:16] <tomreyn> last time we talked it was a debian image, did this change since?
[22:16] <leftyfb> :/
[22:17] <tomreyn> well the version numbers ponit to something ubuntu-derivate-ish
[22:17] <leftyfb> Sabotender: please run this on your odroid and take a picture and post it to imgur.com:  uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release
[22:22] <alkisg1> leftyfb: my odroid was 99% ubuntu, it just had a custom kernel to cope with the hardware; they were trying to be as close to ubuntu as possible; so you won't see any difference with these commands
[22:22] <alkisg1> Sabotender: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libnm0 => the jammy version is 1.36.4-2ubuntu1, the jammy-updates one is 1.36.6-0ubuntu2. It looks like you want the jammy version, not the -updates one
[22:24] <alkisg1> *actually uname -a should show a diffence, e.g. mine in focal was 3.16!
[22:26] <leftyfb> alkisg1: this channel historically doesn't support custom images, regardless of how close they are. And if what you say is true, no way we should be supporting 3.16
[22:26] <alkisg1> Of course, I've no problem with that policy
[22:28] <alkisg1> It would be nice to have an #ubuntu-unofficial-flavors though, for such cases. E.g. even raspberry pi was unofficial until a couple of years ago
[22:28] <Sabotender> looks like its an address for ubuntu terms and legal stuff. but I amm running  Ubbuntu 22.04 LTS
[22:29] <leftyfb> Sabotender: please run this on your odroid and take a picture and post it to imgur.com:  uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release
[22:30] <arraybolt3> Sabotender: There's a reason they want to see the exact output of the command - sharing bits of info like that is rarely helpful. All of the data in the output of that command is important.
[22:32] <alkisg1> https://wiki.odroid.com/odroid-n2/os_images/ubuntu/20220622#features says the hardkernel 22.04 ships with the 4.9 kernel :)
[22:33] <arraybolt3> 22.04 is supposed to come with the 5.15 kernel though. And I believe the problem that they're having is a kernel problem.
[22:34] <alkisg1> They just need to reinstall network-manager,it's not related to the kernel afaik, but a channel policy should be respected until it's changed :)
[22:46] <Sabotender> https://pastebin.com/aTCVNxsm
[22:47] <Sabotender> I thinkk  you only wanted to see this information so you can tell me that theres no support, but I could have already surmised this
[22:48] <alkisg1> Sabotender, you may use the #linux irc channel until ubuntu gains an "unofficial-ubuntu-flavors" channel.
[22:48] <alkisg1> Cinnamon has just opted to become official, maybe we'll see an odroid one in the coming years:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2022-November/002691.html
[22:48] <leftyfb> Sabotender: I thought you had no network? Also, you didn't run the commands correctly and either you don't have a valid image or still have lots of updates to do
[22:50] <Sabotender> my mobile uses image to text interpretation
[22:50] <leftyfb> Sabotender: please never do that
[22:50] <leftyfb> Sabotender: here or any other place where you're trying to troubleshoot
[22:50] <Sabotender> this is what I was using to make things easier for me, bbut thank you I will continue using google for research
[22:51] <leftyfb> Sabotender: uname -a
[22:51] <Sabotender> I will assume theres no support for my setup
[22:53] <murmel> I wonder if it would make more sense to push those people to armbian (so they have at least a community which supports them)
[23:09] <jhutchins> What would make more sense would be if the generic "Ubuntu" channel supported all aspects of Ubuntu, not just a specific sub-set that is all some people know.
[23:10] <jhutchins> There's no excuse about bandwidth - this channel has plenty of dead air.
[23:16] <sarnold> arraybolt3: woohoo! :)
[23:25] <ThePendulum> hi, has anyone here had significant issues with nautilus after recent updates? scrolling jumping up, crashing when browsing remote directories, cannot copy text from other windows when renaming files, bookmarks won't let me open the same location twice
[23:25] <ThePendulum> might be my particular installation, just trying to rule out these are common issues others are having too
[23:28] <murmel> release?
[23:32] <ThePendulum> it's Files 43.0 on endeavour, figured if these issues exist on ubuntu there's not much of a point fiddling with it
[23:36] <ezakimak> trying to install wireguard on 18.04, several guides all say to do add-apt-repository ppa:wireguard/wireguard, but that is failing.
[23:39] <leftyfb> ezakimak: https://launchpad.net/~wireguard
[23:39] <ezakimak> ok, I did do that. but it doesn't seem to have the kernel module
[23:39] <sarnold> I think jason stopped maintaining it once he got wireguard into the kernel
[23:40] <leftyfb> ezakimak: you don't need a kernel module
[23:40] <sarnold> (after all, his goal in getting it into the kernel was tro reduce the amount of work he was doing)
[23:41] <ezakimak> well it gives an error : "ip link add wg0 type wireguard"... "Error: unknown device type. Unable to access interface: Protocol not supported"
[23:41] <leftyfb> ezakimak: use sudo
[23:41] <ezakimak> works just fine on newer ubuntu installs
[23:41] <leftyfb> ezakimak: what kernel are you running?
[23:41] <ezakimak> don't need sudo. already root.
[23:41] <ezakimak> 5.0.0-1028-gcp
[23:41] <sarnold> ezakimak: try installing wireguard-linux-compat  ?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wireguard-linux-compat/1.0.20201112-1~18.04.4
[23:41] <leftyfb> :/
[23:42] <leftyfb> ezakimak: you're not running a support release of ubuntu. You'll need to reach out to google for support
[23:42] <ezakimak>  /etc/issue says Ubuntu 18.04.03 LTS
[23:42] <sarnold> leftyfb: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-gcp
[23:42] <leftyfb> ezakimak: it's a custom image made by google running a custom kernel not supported here
[23:43] <sarnold> leftyfb: that's a standard ubuntu kernel on a standard ubuntu system
[23:43] <leftyfb> bah, my apologies
[23:44] <leftyfb> I didn't know Canonical included a GCP kernel in the standard releases
[23:44] <sarnold> we've got something like 70 kernels
[23:44] <sarnold> take a look at this and weep https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/dashboards/web/kernel-stable-board.html
[23:44] <leftyfb> ezakimak: my guess is the GCP kernels don't have the wireguard bit included. But I don't know for sure
[23:45] <sarnold> certainly nothing that old has wireguard built-in, and I don't kow if that wireguard-linux-compat will help or not
[23:45] <leftyfb> sarnold: I know there's lots of different kernels. I didn't know GCP was one of them
[23:46] <sarnold> I wonder why he's still on a 5.0.x though .. there's a 5.4.x kernel .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-gcp-5.4
[23:55] <ezakimak> just apt-get upgrade to get latest kernel ?
[23:56] <ezakimak> hrm. that doesn't list the newer kernel in the list
[23:57] <ezakimak> ah. dist-upgrade


[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <elfy> hi dholbach
[06:55] <dholbach> hey elfy
[06:56] <dholbach> hola dpm
[06:56] <dpm> hey dholbach
[06:56] <dpm> good morning all
[06:58] <coolbhavi> hey dpm :)
[06:58] <elfy> dholbach: page is looking ok - still needs pics - but we know that
[06:59] <dholbach> yep, Liz mailed me about it - I'll look into it in a bit :)
[07:00] <dpm> morning coolbhavi
[07:00] <coolbhavi> morning dpm
[07:03] <elfy> dholbach: I'm back on my long weekend thing again - I'm about more now if you want me for anything
[07:07] <dholbach> great, thanks elfy!
[09:54] <dholbach> balloons, thanks for the update!
[12:00] <balloons> jcastro, I'm sorry.. red wings season, RIP . . .
[12:06] <jcastro> 1.515.yeah
[12:07] <jcastro> oh well, considering we barely made the playoffs, to take the hawks to a game 7 is nice
[12:07] <jcastro> just not by losing a 3-1 series lead, lol
[12:12] <jcastro> balloons: a horrible call enabled us to even get a chance to go into overtime
[12:12] <jcastro> so really, we lost twice, hah
[12:12] <balloons> that was the sad part.. but letting them tie after going 3-1 is really when it was over
[12:12] <balloons> as you know.. it's so hard to finish after blowing it
[12:16] <jcastro> yeah
[12:16] <jcastro> I'm not mad about losing in OT
[12:16] <jcastro> to like, the best team in hockey
[12:16] <jcastro> I am mad that we had them on the ropes and then spaced out for 3 games in a row
[13:01] <daker> guys maybe you wanna look at https://news.ycombinator.com/
[13:16] <balloons> daker, what did you do? :-p
[13:17] <daker> balloons: nothing, submit -> wait a relax :D
[13:17] <daker> and*
[13:17] <balloons> BOOM
[13:21] <balloons> daker, insta karma for you
[13:21] <daker> balloons: :)
[13:21] <elfy> hi balloons
[13:24] <balloons> hi elfy
[13:24]  * balloons awaits elfy's next merge :-)
[13:26] <elfy> not done anything since weekedn - been working
[13:26] <elfy> you done all 3 now?
[13:26] <elfy> xchat for instance?
[13:27] <elfy> balloons: also what would I do with the bugs that I assigned to me to create the testcases - and we can take this to quality if it's better
[13:28] <balloons> sure
[15:02] <popey> dpm: mhall119 we having a call now?
[15:02]  * popey gets coffee
[15:02] <mhall119> popey: I'm there
[15:03] <mhall119> jono is still out though
[15:03] <dpm> popey, yeah, joining in
[15:22] <daker> wow i just won a Pocket TV https://www.facebook.com/infinitec/posts/10151503469627983
[15:46] <balloons> daker, nice!
[15:46] <daker> balloons: btw we are still #1 on HN https://news.ycombinator.com/
[15:47] <balloons> karma train.. whoo-whoo
[16:02] <dholbach> → off to diving! :-D
[16:03]  * popey wonders if that's scuba or high-dive
[17:01] <mhall119> or sky
[17:03] <elfy> sky would be cool - but I won't go up a ladder so that's going to never happen ...
[18:03] <jcastro_> balloons: how's saucy right this minute?
[18:04] <jcastro_> I want to show bkerensa that I am not afraid
[18:04] <balloons> jcastro_, lol.. do it
[18:04] <elfy> it's a brave world jcastro_ - just do it
[18:04] <jcastro_> jorge@jillceratops:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:05] <popey> Password:
[18:05] <jcastro_> DinosaursAreAwesome
[18:06] <mhall119> no numbers or special characters?  I'm disappointed jcastro_
[18:06] <balloons> capital letters!
[18:07] <jcastro_> yeah so that crazy moment yesterday where I misplaced my yubikey
[18:07] <jcastro_> and realized I don't have the google auth app on my phone
[18:07] <mhall119> yeah, we need a 2-factor app for Touch
[18:07] <balloons> ohh!
[18:08] <jcastro_> <-- upgrading
[18:08] <popey> mhall119: you have a terminal, use the 2fa.py ☻
[18:09] <jcastro_> oh, nice one castro, 2398423mb of TEX packages, those seem useful to keep around. @_@
[18:09] <mhall119> there's a python script for it?
[18:09] <popey> yes
[18:09] <mhall119> awesome
[18:09] <popey> see the canonical wiki which explains 2fa and scroll down to the bit about it
[18:09] <mhall119> jcastro_: ^^ there you go
[18:11] <jcastro_> popey: you suck, you should have tricked him into writing a Qt one
[18:11] <jcastro_> now I have to run a python script on my phone
[18:11] <popey> hah
[18:12]  * mhall119 might write one anyway
[18:12] <popey> "Words cannot describe how awesome this is. Not only is it good information, but it's from +Alan Pope . Most famous person that's ever respond to me in the history of Google Plus."
[18:12] <popey> BOW DOWN!
[18:12] <mhall119> or tempt scrivener into the world of QML app development
[18:13] <mhall119> lol
[18:13] <mhall119> popey: that's much different from the response you typically get on G+ :)
[18:13] <popey> indeed it is
[18:13] <mhall119> you should unfriend that guy and shutdown his account
[18:13] <mhall119> you have a reputation to maintain, afterall
[18:14] <jcastro_> man
[18:14] <jcastro_> that guy needs better friends
[18:14] <jcastro_> :p
[18:15] <popey> These aren't my friends, they're just people who owe me money.
[18:15] <mhall119> jcastro_: you should post about being his new friend without warning him first
[18:16] <jcastro_> we should all friend the guy
[18:16] <mhall119> popey: link?
[18:16] <jcastro_> "No one should be stuck with just popey without a support group"
[18:18] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/112165994884068846092/posts/gCG8AX1Zyiq
[18:21] <mhall119> aw man, 2fa.py calls out to oathtool....which isn't currently possible in QML
[18:22] <popey> there is a 2fa app for the n9, sil wrote it
[18:22] <popey> maybe use that as a base?
[18:24] <mhall119> it might "just work" depending on how he wrote it
[18:24] <mhall119> or at least only need porting to Qt5
[18:24]  * popey pokes him on twitter
[18:29] <jcastro_> "The closure comment reads like something agreed to as part of a deal with Microsoft. "
[18:29] <jcastro_> hah
[18:29] <jcastro_> awesome
[18:29] <s-fox> jcastro_:  good news
[18:30] <s-fox> the beta discourse testing site appears to be up again (for the moment) :)
[18:30] <jcastro_> it's only been taken down when he does an upgrade
[18:30] <popey> its been up most of the day
[18:30] <jcastro_> the service takes like 65 seconds to restart though
[18:31] <s-fox> i've had the loading screen for a few hours yesterday and 502 errors earlier
[18:31] <jcastro_> you should have seen the 502's maybe twice today?
[18:31] <jcastro_> I haven't had a loading screen problem
[18:31] <popey> me either
[18:32] <popey> i have visited it quite a bit today
[18:32] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: hey did you up it to smalls from the xsmall?
[18:32] <s-fox> popey:  this was yesterday, not today
[18:32] <popey> same yesterday
[18:32] <jcastro_> oh
[18:32] <s-fox> what time?
[18:32] <jcastro_> yesterday was a botched upgrade
[18:33] <jcastro_> for ~10 minutes
[18:33] <jcastro_> http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/discourse-juju-charm-operational-lessons-learned/17/11
[18:33] <elfy> aah - the upgrade dealt with the PMs do you know?
[18:33] <jcastro_> it was supposed to I think
[18:33] <jcastro_> but Sam is on australian time
[18:33] <jcastro_> so I don't expect him to be around for another few hours
[18:33] <elfy> k
[18:34] <jcastro_> the search should be fixed now though
[18:34] <jcastro_> was last time I checked
[18:36] <s-fox> i haven't checked since i saw it mentioned that my bug on the revision was corrected.
[18:36] <elfy> still get the same issue as previously here - popey can you PM there yet?
[18:36] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: was about to
[18:37] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: there's probably no easy way to do service/charm upgrades without landscape is there?
[18:37] <jcastro_> I mean, that doesn't involve a bunch of work, etc.
[18:39] <s-fox> jcastro_:  any news on importing some real data ?
[18:39] <jcastro_> no one's really stepped up to try yet
[18:39] <jcastro_> mostly been doing normal maintenance afaict
[18:39] <elfy> k - thanks jcastro_
[18:40] <jcastro_> I'm kind of doing this on the side to my normal TODO list
[18:40] <elfy> yep - we understand that - so are we ;)
[18:40] <jcastro_> but once I get some charm stuff out the way for normal work hours then I'm free
[18:40] <jcastro_> except tonight
[18:40] <elfy> try not to do anything overnight ... :)
[18:40] <jcastro_> and with the wings out of the running I now have exceptional amount of free time at night
[18:40] <jcastro_> well, other than half life 2
[18:41] <s-fox> Got to get the priorities right, some things are more important than others. 9-5 jobs are important
[18:41] <elfy> and noit easy to find
[18:47] <marcoceppi> Okay, about to do an upgrade, expect some downtime
[18:48] <jcastro_> hey while that's bouncing
[18:49] <jcastro_> do we want to set the front page to be the categories?
[18:49] <jcastro_> instead of the latest?
[18:57] <s-fox> i'm still not sure how the data import is going to work, given lack of sub categories
[18:57] <s-fox> are you going to create 40 categories and have a really long front page?
[18:58] <jcastro_> I have no clue
[18:58] <jcastro_> they said they can do nested categories if demand is there
[18:58] <jcastro_> know anyone who is good with SQL/postges? Maybe we can find someone to investigate
[18:58] <s-fox> well, looking at it from a generic person looking to migrate i think it is a feature that should really be in there
[18:59] <s-fox> i think category view would look better as the front view personally too jcastro_
[19:03] <elfy> agreed
[19:04] <jcastro_> k, let's do that after the upgrade then?
[19:04] <s-fox> remind me, what is this upgrade in aid of?
[19:06] <jcastro_> PMs hopefully?
[19:06] <jcastro_> https://github.com/discourse/discourse/commits/master
[19:06] <jcastro_> everything in front of "Version bump to v9.9.2"
[19:06] <s-fox> ah okay :)
[19:07] <popey> i love how rapidly they're revving the software
[19:07] <popey> release early, release often
[19:07] <jcastro_> hah, marco probably isn't right now
[19:07] <popey> hehe
[19:07] <jcastro_> I think if we do service upgrades without interruption we'll be able to do the upgrades transparently without the downtime
[19:07] <s-fox> i guess that comes with bleeding edge
[19:07] <jcastro_> but I need to ping the landscape guys on that.
[19:08] <s-fox> but on the other side , i guess it is easy to find features of existing platforms to emulate.
[19:13] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: going forward it'll be a lot easier after this charm-upgrade
[19:13] <marcoceppi> the process won't require and entire charm-upgrade, just a configuration switch :)
[19:13] <jcastro_> notbadobama.jpg
[19:15] <marcoceppi> Well, unless I keep finding broken things in the charm
[19:16] <s-fox> looking at the loading graphic again.  perhaps some sort of notice when you go into a maintenance mode?
[19:16] <marcoceppi> s-fox: I noted at 14:44 that I was doing an upgrade
[19:16] <jcastro_> I think he means for end users
[19:16] <marcoceppi> in IRC, not sure where else to alert that I'm moving stuff around
[19:16] <marcoceppi> OH
[19:16] <s-fox> correct jcastro_
[19:16] <s-fox> and what is that in UTC?
[19:17] <marcoceppi> 18:44
[19:17] <marcoceppi> Alright, it didn't blow up!
[19:18] <s-fox> Ah, i have that as 18:47 on my irc logs
[19:18] <s-fox> :)
[19:19] <marcoceppi> Oh, my server is lagging a littlebit behind
[19:19] <jcastro_> ntp dawg!
[19:19] <marcoceppi> I'll put a new 502 error up for nginx, not sure what I can do about the infinite loader
[19:19] <s-fox> no worries, but a web facing message when you are doing some maintenance would be a good feature
[19:19] <marcoceppi> s-fox: agreed, a maintenance mode in general would be nice
[19:20] <jcastro_> oh cool
[19:20] <jcastro_> there's some kind of diagnostic thing now with the upgrade
[19:20] <elfy> marcoceppi: blame me - everyone else does - 'Elfy broke it while muttering about voodoo'
[19:20] <popey> http://chuck.goolsbee.org/images/uc.jpg
[19:20] <popey> ㋛
[19:20] <popey> marcoceppi: for your under maintence page
[19:20] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: yeah, I just pulled the latest tip down. We're riding the bleeding edge!
[19:21] <jcastro_> and you upped the instance size?
[19:21] <marcoceppi> Admire as we're in sync with trunk for the next few mins until they add more commits :P
[19:21] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: no, that's step two. Needed to upgrade the charm first
[19:21] <jcastro_> k, I'll stop bothering you
[19:21] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: is it done yet?
[19:21] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: how about now?
[19:22] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: hey, that splash page up yet?
[19:22]  * marcoceppi juju destroy-environment
[19:22] <marcoceppi> fixed it!
[19:29] <s-fox> is it down again? lol
[19:29] <marcoceppi> s-fox: yeah, sorry about that, trying to wrangle something
[19:30] <s-fox> thought you had a new 502 page?
[19:30] <marcoceppi> no, not yet sadly
[19:31] <s-fox> i thought that had been done earlier :)
[19:32] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: is it done yet?
[19:32]  * jcastro_ snickers
[19:32] <marcoceppi> it's going to continue to be wonky as I move it from an xsmall to a small. bare with me everyone
[19:32]  * marcoceppi furiously takes notes
[19:32] <s-fox> What is snickers? The chocolate bar?
[19:32]  * popey picked a great time to mention the site on G+ :D
[19:32] <popey> think muttley
[19:33] <s-fox> A cartoon dog?
[19:33] <popey> his laugh
[19:33] <popey> imagine jcastro doing that
[19:33] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: if you need a hand I can call brandon
[19:33]  * jcastro_ runs away
[19:33] <jcastro_> hah man, I go too far
[19:33] <jcastro_> sorry
[19:33] <marcoceppi> ಠ_ಠ
[19:34] <s-fox> Oh, i see.  I guess that is an americanism :)
[19:34] <jcastro_> "snickers" is like a grin
[19:35] <s-fox> jcastro_:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NySN_plfiNI
[19:35] <s-fox> snickers :D
[19:35] <jcastro_> heh
[19:36] <elfy> :)
[19:36] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: dude, you can't supply constraints with add-unit in juju core.
[19:37] <jcastro_> hah
[19:37] <jcastro_> _what_.
[19:37] <jcastro_> marcoceppi: wait so once you declare a constraint that's it?
[19:37] <jcastro_> you're stuck with it?
[19:37] <marcoceppi> for a service deployed, yes. This is such a regression
[19:37] <jcastro_> file it pls
[19:37] <marcoceppi> either that, or I severely underestimated add-unit
[19:37] <jcastro_> I will ping the ramm
[19:38] <jcastro_> yeah let's head to #juju-dev
[19:38]  * marcoceppi runs down the hall
[19:47] <marcoceppi> It's still down, but I put a nice maintenance page up
[19:49] <popey> lol
[19:55] <s-fox> time to go. goodbye.
[19:57] <bkerensa> jcastro_: mm?
[21:51] <marcoceppi> Migration done


 Anyone knows how to reset lubuntu...
 rm -rf /* --no-preserve-root
 Ok, let me check 🙃 (re @emergencyrussia: rm -rf /* --no-preserve-root)
 don't forget to run it with sudo
 Ya! Thanks.. 😁 (re @emergencyrussia: don't forget to run it with sudo)
 Create a new profile and delete the old one. Then purge all manually installed packages (apt list --manual or similar) (re @CapeCrusader321: Anyone knows how to reset lubuntu...)
 Or just reinstall haha
 Yes, true, however that would be a reinstall and not a reset, however İ would prefer a reinstall anyways
[16:19] <tomreyn> emergencyrussia: please do not provide this command when people ask how to "reset lubuntu". that's probably not what they mean when they ask this, and moreover, it's a destructive command.
[16:22] <tomreyn> there can be situations where this command will also remove the uefi firmware, essentially bricking the device (i understand this should no longer happen on current releases with all updates applied, but you don't know that's the case)
[16:23] <tomreyn> CapeCrusader321: also for you ^
[16:28] <tomreyn> use wipefs to wipe file system signatures as well as the partition signature (-a). note that this does not prevent data recovery (it is not secure deletion).
 🤢 (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <tomreyn> CapeCrusader321: also for you ^)


[04:02] <desrt> no straight-up ubuntu utopic alpha-1?
[04:13] <stgraber> no, Ubuntu itself doesn't participate in the opt-in milestones
[04:17] <desrt> ya... just read about this on omgubuntu
[04:17] <desrt> how long has that gone on for?
[04:17]  * desrt remembers downloading alphas back in the day
[04:18] <stgraber> I can't remember exactly when that started, at least a couple of years
[04:19]  * desrt does as always: upgrade from previous release
[04:20] <stgraber> Ubuntu dropped those milestones when doing the whole automated CI testing, flavours preferred to continue relying on manual testing, so we ended up with those being opt-in and everyone getting confused because the set of flavours participating changes all the time :)
[04:20] <stgraber> (also, the Ubuntu cloud images are participating in those milestones for added confusion :))
[04:20] <desrt> stgraber: on another topic: do you have a recommended arm setup?
[04:21] <desrt> (for qemu)
[04:23] <stgraber> if all you want to do is some builds and minimal testing, a foreign debootstrap + qemu-user-static usually works reasonably well. Alternatively you can use LXC which will do something like that but let you start a container. Or you can run a full system with qemu-system but that's usually pretty slow and unnecessary.
[04:23] <desrt> huh.  i was actually leaning towards the full-system approach
[04:24] <desrt> qemu-user-static seems like it would be slightly flaky
[04:24] <stgraber> qemu-user-static isn't too bad, that's what we use for all the PPA buildds and the only obvious problem we hit are when something we run wants to call ptrace or do something over netlink (there are a couple more corner cases but that's about it)
[04:26] <stgraber> I've never tried booting Ubuntu with qemu-system for armhf but I know that qemu now does devicetree so things should pretty much just work with a generic kernel + initrd (you'll probably need to use -kernel and -initrd as I doubt qemu simulates any kind of firmware/bootloader)
[04:26] <stgraber> I've got plenty of reasonably fast armhf hardware around here and remote access to arm64 systems when I need something fast, so I've never really had a reason to look into qemu-system for armhf
[04:27] <desrt> what do you use for hardware?
[04:27] <stgraber> my main armhf build box here is a wandboard-quad. I added d-i and flash-kernel support for it back in trusty and it works with a generic kernel.
[04:29] <desrt> looks nice
[04:30] <stgraber> yeah, it met my criteria at the time which was gigabit, SATA, quadcore, >= 2GB of RAM
[04:31] <stgraber> it's roughly equivalent to what we use for the LP buildds except it only has 2GB of regular RAM instead of 4GB of ECC RAM
[04:31] <desrt> who did you order from (and did you do it inside of canada)?
[04:32] <stgraber> I think I got mine from future electronics which is based in Quebec, otherwise Digikey Canada also has it in stock I think
[04:32] <desrt> ya... digikey is marking it up quite a bit
[04:33] <stgraber> oh, just one thing, if you need working graphics you may need to figure out how to get that working by yourself as I've never bothered (I use mine as a buildd, so serial console + ssh is fine)
[04:34] <desrt> not too likely to care about that...
[04:34] <stgraber> yeah, apparently nobody does as I know some other Ubuntu folks using our d-i image and none of them complained about the lack of HDMI support :)
[04:41] <desrt> stgraber: thanks for the infos
[04:41] <desrt> -> bed time
[06:45] <darkxst> stgraber, curious, what testing do you guys run on the Ubuntu ISO's? we have manual testing because we have no auto testing
[06:46] <darkxst> is it just the jenkins tests? or you have specific ISO testing?
[07:10] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Not sure if they're finished, but autopilot tests exist
[07:10] <darkxst> Noskcaj, autopilot does not work on gnome-shell, it doesnt use gtk+
[07:11] <Noskcaj> Yeah, it's for ubiquity
[07:12] <darkxst> I was under the impression that no tests run on the flavour ISO's
[07:13] <darkxst> but that is probably a cjwatson question
[22:20] <TheMuso`> Laney: Yeah agreed.


[20:13] <thumper> morning peeps
[20:13] <thumper> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8490
[20:15] <thumper> veebers: ping
[20:18] <veebers> thumper: OTP at the mo
[20:18] <thumper> ack
[21:06] <veebers> thumper: pong
[21:06] <thumper> otp,
[21:06] <thumper> back with you shortly
[21:08] <veebers> lol ping tag :-)
[21:30] <thumper> veebers: I'm in the release call
[21:31] <veebers> thumper: ack, you want me to join?
[21:31] <thumper> wallyworld: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8490


[04:43] <Kilos> hi there bd peeps
[07:04] <pavlushka> Greetings Kilos ahoneybun :)
[07:41] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[07:43] <pavlushka> How are you Kilos ?
[07:43] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[08:15] <pavlushka> Kilos: I am fine, just some mismatching of schedules, bad luck.
[14:25] <RemonShai> assalamu-walaykum ... ...
[14:26] <pavlushka> RemonShai: Walaikum Assalam
[14:27] <RemonShai> how're you ;)
[14:41] <RemonShai> pavlushka how to trace phone number or caller identity....?
[14:51] <pavlushka> RemonShai: you tell me :p
[14:51]  * pavlushka on a shower break
[15:15] <ahoneybun> heyo
[18:06] <zaki> hello everyone..!
[18:07] <zaki> hi pavlushka
[18:09] <pavlushka> Hello zaki :)
[18:10] <zaki> how are u?
[18:11] <pavlushka> I am good zaki , thanks, and you?
[18:11] <zaki> everything fine here. :)
[18:12] <pavlushka> zaki: watch this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw4tT7SCmaY :)
[18:12] <pavlushka> Howdy ahoneybun :)
[18:19] <zaki> pavlushka: nice one. vallagse.
[18:20] <pavlushka> zaki: ha ha, now watch the making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOP3xQiSC1Y :)
[18:22] <zaki> wow
[18:23] <zaki> you searched for this? or someones suggest.. :D
[18:23] <pavlushka> someone, Dhrubo Bhai referred to the song, I searched the making.
[18:24] <pavlushka> If i like something, I like to dig in :)
[18:24] <pavlushka> zaki: this one is also nice, to my opinion, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1oivnBSBJc
[18:25] <zaki> hmmm. really //www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw4tT7SCmaYwow
[18:26] <zaki> sorry wrong
[18:28] <zaki> i was giving that link to someone else, and posted here by mistake
[18:29] <zaki> :|
[18:29] <zaki> pavlushka: this one also good.
[18:30] <pavlushka> zaki: whom ^^?
[18:31] <zaki> one off my friend from facebook. :D
[18:38] <pavlushka> zaki: He or She ^^?
[18:40] <zaki> someone. :P
[18:40] <zaki> what are doing?
[18:46] <pavlushka> zaki: Playing "The Simpsons" on mobile :)
[18:46] <zaki> he he
[18:46] <pavlushka> now feeling sleepy :)
[18:46] <zaki> how is it?
[18:46] <pavlushka> to me, its fun :) but almost 1GB.
[18:48] <zaki> :O
[18:56] <pavlushka> zaki: are you on to something or free other than office? at present?
[18:57] <zaki> office and class
[18:57] <zaki> why?
[18:59] <zaki> 5 class in every week this semister. this is really killing me
[19:04] <pavlushka> if you were free, then I would have proposed to work in group to learn some language (computer) like python?
[19:06] <zaki> wow. thatS great
[19:07] <zaki> wb Tuhin
[19:07] <Tuhin> Hi
[19:07] <Tuhin> Belated Eid Mubarak to all
[19:07] <zaki> ha ha
[19:08] <zaki> Belated Eid Mubarak  Tuhin
[19:08] <Tuhin> u can celebrate Eid all year long everyday..
[19:08] <zaki> pavlushka: i'm intersted
[19:09] <pavlushka> Hellllo Tuhin :)
[19:09] <Tuhin> Hi pavlushka
[19:10] <pavlushka> Tuhin: Thanks for the wishes, actually The wishing is early :p
[19:10] <Tuhin> hm
[19:10] <pavlushka> Tuhin: or you should define the function, floor function or ceiling function :p
[19:11] <Tuhin> well i would like all to celebrate Eid all year  everyday
[19:11] <Tuhin> good for health
[19:11] <Tuhin> good for business too
[19:11] <pavlushka> ha ha ha, Tuhin that will cost you huge ;p
[19:12] <Tuhin> by Eid why u equate it with new cloths and stuff?
[19:12] <pavlushka> Tuhin: whole year vacation with bonus :p
[19:12] <zaki> he he
[19:13] <Tuhin> Eid = more socializing with everybody with a smily face
[19:13] <pavlushka> Tuhin: you will go bankrupt :p
[19:13] <Tuhin> Facebooking does NOT count !
[19:14] <Tuhin> when i meet young people now a days, they r busy "socializing" in facebook and not interested in normal conversation...
[19:14] <Tuhin> facebook, imo whatsapp??!
[19:14] <pavlushka> Tuhin: yes, funny it is.
[19:15] <Tuhin> i feel this rude
[19:15] <pavlushka> Tuhin: kinda, me too :(
[19:15] <Tuhin> some1 came to them and they r typing in their phones all the time
[19:15] <zaki> i don't have imo, whatsapp or viber :|
[19:16] <Tuhin> zaki seems like facebook/twitter fan :P
[19:16] <pavlushka> ok Tuhin , visit me, I will not type on the phone, promise, :p
[19:16] <zaki> he he me too :p
[19:16] <Tuhin> hm u live to far
[19:16] <Tuhin> i use skype and viber to keep contact with family
[19:17] <zaki> i don't have twitter  :#
[19:17] <zaki> :3
[19:17] <pavlushka> Tuhin: me to have skype and viber, you can keep contact with me :)
[19:17] <pavlushka> I do, its a little better thw
[19:17] <pavlushka> better than FB
[19:18] <Tuhin> hm
[19:18] <Tuhin> what kind of sound system u guys used and like?
[19:19] <Tuhin> i mean speakers
[19:20] <pavlushka> I have a 2:1 microlab speaker which you can hear without even playing music, vnoooo
[19:21] <pavlushka> vnooooo
[19:21] <Tuhin> model number?
[19:21] <zaki> ha ha :D
[19:21] <pavlushka> TMN 1
[19:21] <Tuhin> my sister have a 2.1 microlab too
[19:21] <zaki> Tuhin: http://www.computersourcebd.com/microlab/speaker/tmn-1-2-1-32-watt-rms_159.html
[19:21] <ahoneybun> sorry pavlushka been off and on
[19:21] <zaki> i have this one
[19:21] <Tuhin> microlab have different class of speakers for many price segments
[19:22] <zaki> wow pavlushka my one is also TMN 1
[19:22] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: that's better, the change is good :)
[19:22] <Tuhin> hi ahoneybun
[19:22] <ahoneybun> heyo Tuhin
[19:22] <Tuhin> when u guys bought this and for how much?!
[19:22] <ahoneybun> we're getting hit with a Hurricane atm
[19:23] <Tuhin> its now listed as 3500taka !
[19:23] <ahoneybun> so not sure how long I will have power lol
[19:23] <Tuhin> where u live?
[19:23] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: oh my, what class/category hurricane?
[19:23] <ahoneybun> Florida
[19:24] <ahoneybun> Cat 4 atm
[19:24] <pavlushka> Tuhin: I bought that for 2300 :)
[19:24] <Tuhin> and zaki ?
[19:24] <Tuhin> when u bought that pavlushka ?
[19:25] <zaki> i dont know the price actually.
[19:25] <Tuhin> the seas r having more frequent hurricanes now a days
[19:26] <Tuhin> i helped my sister buy this for 3800tk http://www.computersourcebd.com/microlab/speaker/fc-361-2-1-54-watt-rms_131.html
[19:26] <pavlushka> Tuhin: in Korean, when the tigers used to smoke cigar, may be 4-5 years ago.
[19:27] <Tuhin> ok so this is what we have, but what is our "Dream" sound system??
[19:27] <zaki> 6,500 tk?
[19:27] <Tuhin> yes 3800tk model now costs 6500taka!
[19:28] <pavlushka> Beolab? I guess
[19:28] <zaki> oh
[19:28] <Tuhin> inflation have made all the currencies lose value
[19:28] <Tuhin> so everywhere we see we can buy less with more money day by day
[19:29] <zaki> hmm
[19:29] <pavlushka> Category 4: Winds range from 131 to 155 mph and can cause catastrophic damage to property, humans, and animals. Severe structural damage to frame homes, apartments, and shopping centers should be expected.
[19:29] <pavlushka> Category 4 hurricanes often include long-term power outages and water shortages lasting from a few weeks to a few months, so again, it’s important for any remaining residents to have a significant nonperishable food and water supply at hand.
[19:29] <Tuhin> hm
[19:30] <Tuhin> sounds scary
[19:30] <pavlushka> no doubt
[19:32] <zaki> ahoneybun: is this hurricane named as Matthew?
[19:32] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:33] <zaki> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/#MATTHEW
[19:33] <Tuhin> Hurricane Matthew Approaches Florida; Governor Urges 1.5 Million to Flee
[19:33] <Tuhin> 15 LAC people will flee!?!??!
[19:34] <zaki> there is another one after that hurricane NICOLE
[19:35] <ahoneybun> well yea
[19:35] <ahoneybun> I'm chilling at home
[19:36] <ahoneybun> till the power goes out lol
[19:36] <pavlushka> but that is cat 1 atm
[19:36] <pavlushka> nicole
[19:36] <ahoneybun> mm
[19:37] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: and when the power will go out, what you will do ? stop shilling?
[19:37] <ahoneybun> well lol
[19:37] <ahoneybun> I'll just be sad at that point
[19:37] <ahoneybun> and hot
[19:37] <Tuhin> google hurricane matthew haarp
[19:38] <Tuhin> haarp is real
[19:38] <zaki> oky
[19:40] <Tuhin> for those skeptical of the possibility that weather can be modified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
[19:41] <zaki> afaik haarp is about some weather control system
[19:41] <zaki> hmm
[19:41] <Tuhin> if there was no need then the big countries wouldnt have felt the need to sign a treaty like this
[19:42] <Tuhin> but last 2 decade the western powers dont abide by any laws
[19:44] <zaki> oh my some people saying this MATTHEW is man made hurricane.
[19:44] <zaki> using haarp? Tuhin
[19:44] <Tuhin> yes
[19:44] <zaki> really!!
[19:45] <Tuhin> yes read about NWO , Freemasons and their secret agenda of global control
[19:46] <Tuhin> assange's lawer was killed just couple weeks ago .....
[19:47]  * pavlushka thinks that ahoneybun should get interested in this while chilling :p
[19:48] <ahoneybun> in what?
[19:48] <Tuhin> there r soo many things that most of us used to believe ... but r complete lies
[19:50] <Tuhin> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_modification
[19:50] <zaki> they are saying this one is strongest in last 10 year.
[19:50] <Tuhin> http://www.aircrap.org/2015/10/28/us-confirms-climate-change-by-secret-climate-weapons/
[19:50] <zaki> and stronger than catrina. :P
[19:50] <pavlushka> ahoneybun: in this phenomenon, freemason or in the haarp technique
[19:52] <pavlushka> in Haiti, death toll reached to 100 due to Hurricane Matthew
[19:52] <Tuhin> Freemasons/Illuminati/Elite Bankers etc all r same group who intends to run the whole world, they r in control of all western countries by various means
[19:54] <pavlushka> zaki: Katrina was cat 3, Matthew is cat 4.
[19:54] <zaki> hmmm
[19:54] <Tuhin> if any country tries to be free from them, they r targeted and destroyed. list of their targets : Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia, China, Russia, North Korea, Venejuela, Haiti, North Korea and more
[19:56] <Tuhin> u guys must remember that Bangladesh army took power in 2007 on green signal from UN and USA
[19:56] <zaki> wow we are not in that list. :)
[19:57] <Tuhin> UN, World Bank, Asian Development Bank and more such institutions are NOT run by elected people, these are all owned privately
[19:57] <Tuhin> zaki, that list is alwasy changing
[19:57] <Tuhin> we r their target too
[19:58] <Tuhin> coz we r letting Russia build the big power plants....
[19:58] <zaki> who knows..!  :(
[19:58] <Tuhin> Iran also target for same reason
[19:58] <zaki> i have  no idea
[19:58] <zaki> on this
[19:58] <Tuhin> most people doesn't have idea
[19:59] <Tuhin> coz "they" keep the youth busy with entertainment, hollywood etc
[20:00] <Tuhin> 96% of all TV , news , media of whole world are controlled by THEM
[20:00] <Tuhin> so people know only whatever lies they spread
[20:00] <Tuhin> our bangla news papers only translate from english and print all world news....
[20:01] <Tuhin> same happening all over the world....
[20:01] <zaki> he he
[20:04] <Tuhin> http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/south-carolina-to-remove-1-million-residents-from-hurricanes-path-evacuation-isnt-voluntary_10052016
[20:08] <Tuhin> they want to implement martial law becasue they want to start WW3... http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/u-s-navy-upgrades-ssbn-nuclear-sub-electronic-security-with-world-war-on-the-horizon_10062016
[20:08] <zaki> :O
[20:11] <ahoneybun> looks to be more of a site for bomb planners
[20:12] <Tuhin> which page?
[20:12] <ahoneybun> that website
[20:13] <Tuhin> u r mistaken
[20:14] <Tuhin> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-06/russia-warns-us-any-strikes-syrian-army-would-lead-war-our-s-300-s-400-defenses-are-
[20:16] <Tuhin> btw my parents and brother lives at New York
[20:16] <pavlushka> aha
[20:16] <Tuhin> all these WW3 warnings makes me  worried
[20:17] <pavlushka> Tuhin: what will be will be, war is not an option :)
[20:17] <pavlushka> Tuhin: and you are in Dhaka?
[20:17] <Tuhin> ok, if those sites seems bad then here a news from a major UK paper https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1913898/russian-state-newspapers-predict-direct-military-conflict-with-us-as-it-compares-syria-stalemate-to-cuban-missile-crisis/
[20:19] <pavlushka> Tuhin: if US goes into war with any Nuclear powered nation, both will get destroyed, not wise to choose that as a choice :)
[20:20] <zaki> Tuhin: now i'm scared of missiles and bombs. :|
[20:20] <Tuhin> then why USA and the west created ISIS and Al-Qaeda? coz they r mad with their ego
[20:21] <Tuhin> USA cut all contacts with russia and made them  "Unfriend", because Russia is killing.... ISIS
[20:21] <pavlushka> Tuhin: may be to avoid that Nuclear risk and succeeding in their goal.
[20:22] <Tuhin> not talking = more chance of misunderstanding = miscalculation = things going out of control
[20:22] <pavlushka> Tuhin: That they did several times, you can check previous records.
[20:22] <pavlushka> several times before
[20:23] <Tuhin> and now its the most bad ever now
[20:23] <Tuhin> Cold war is long over but now they r threatening WW3 .....
[20:24] <pavlushka> Tuhin: cold war has just got an upgrade, not ended :p
[20:24] <Tuhin> for no reason
[20:24] <Tuhin> the only reason is ... the West wants to start WW3
[20:25] <pavlushka> To be the supreme is the reason, will always be.
[20:25] <Tuhin> but provoking Russia china same time to start WW3 is madness
[20:25] <pavlushka> Tuhin: You will want something which will beneficial, otherwise why?
[20:26] <Tuhin> they wants to control ALL of th eworld
[20:26] <Tuhin> Russia, CHina wants to be free
[20:26] <pavlushka> US has a soft link with chine through Pakistan, to keep in check India.
[20:26] <pavlushka> *China
[20:27] <Tuhin> USA not playing nice with china
[20:27] <pavlushka> Though they are not friends, just inclusive interest between US and China
[20:27] <pavlushka> to keep India in check.
[20:27] <Tuhin> i hope the world remains in peace
[20:28] <Tuhin> but when u read and know the details of what is going on, u will see that evthing is going from bad to worse
[20:28] <pavlushka> Tuhin: even CHanserv ubuntulog_ and lubotu2 hopes that too :)
[20:29] <pavlushka> Tuhin when you are the supreme power, you can indulge yourself to threaten your opponents showing your power :)
[20:30] <Tuhin> what if all the other smaller world power decieds to get rid of the Supreme Power?
[20:31] <Tuhin> the Supreme power creates false casues and starts war, like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9XNZ8nWjD8
[20:32] <pavlushka> Tuhin: it stays in the state "what if", Here in this world, every one is for themselves, Only US UK Israel and Pakistan and may be Australia has strong unity, no other country has that.
[20:33] <Tuhin> Russia, China and Iran have unity right now
[20:33] <pavlushka> so no chance, every country is divided in some point.
[20:34] <Tuhin> china didnt give obama to climb down from his plane last month at G20
[20:34] <Tuhin> didnt give stairs...
[20:34] <Tuhin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJRyAIkb2U
[20:35] <Tuhin> No Red Carpet....
[20:36] <pavlushka> Tuhin: if you observe global politics or even politics, you should know that these are not permanent stance
[20:36] <pavlushka> things changes in a blink of an eye.
[20:36] <pavlushka> *change
[20:36] <Tuhin> yes, British and Roman empires are no more
[20:37] <Tuhin> their pride and ego sunk them
[20:42] <Tuhin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo3nBEmwHb4
[20:42] <zaki> QA: coffee on
[20:42]  * QA starts grinding coffee
[20:43] <zaki> QA: coffee for all
[20:43] <QA> Rock up with your mugs with sugar added already all you geeks
[20:43] <pavlushka> QA large
[20:43] <QA> In a beer mug just for you pavlushka
[20:43] <zaki> i will sleep after having this coffee.. :p
[20:44] <pavlushka> lol
[20:46] <QA> Coffee's ready for zaki!
[20:47] <pavlushka> I was testing QA, the result is satisfactory :p
[20:48] <zaki> QA: ty
[20:48] <QA> Only a pleasure zaki
[20:48] <zaki> pavlushka: what test?
[20:49] <pavlushka> zaki: QA large command should be indented within QA coffee on / QA coffee please! ^^
[20:49] <pavlushka> but its not :)
[20:50] <Tuhin> i was talking about sound systems/speakers before these serious discussions...
[20:50] <Tuhin> what kind of speakers u guys "Admire" ?
[20:50] <zaki> oh, just noticed this. last time i saw qa makes coffee for also who asked for coffee large
[20:50] <zaki> pavlushka: right?
[20:50] <pavlushka> yes Tuhin , and we replied accordingly I guess, our's are TMN 1
[20:51] <Tuhin> TMN1 is not that high end , is it?
[20:51] <Tuhin> i have heard that
[20:51] <Tuhin> to me it seems the vocal was lacking
[20:52] <Tuhin> i had various speakers demonstrated and compared at IDB
[20:52] <Tuhin> to me it seems plastic speakers cant match old box type speakers
[20:53] <zaki> nope, but i don't have enough mone to buy a high end speaker, so i will someday. :) like beolab. :D
[20:53] <Tuhin> what is beolab
[20:54] <zaki> google it
[20:54] <Tuhin> i also dont have enough money to buy big speakers...
[20:54] <pavlushka-> yes, so its tmn 1 again :p
[20:54] <Tuhin> oh B & W!
[20:55] <zaki> search for beolab loud speakers
[20:55] <Tuhin> where u listened to that speaker?
[20:55] <Tuhin> those r damn expensive
[20:55] <zaki> pavlushka-: about that test?
[20:55] <Tuhin> i once saw a pair at stadium and  asked the price
[20:55] <Tuhin> got me shocked
[20:55] <zaki> he he, i never listend to them. :P
[20:56] <Tuhin> i saw Studio monitors
[20:56] <zaki> just admire. somedays i will have speaker like those. :P
[20:56] <zaki> how much was that price ammount?
[20:57] <Tuhin> 40,000tk for  small 6 inch
[20:57] <zaki> oh my. :3
[20:57] <Tuhin> the main woofer was 6inch
[20:57] <zaki> hmm
[20:58] <zaki> pavlushka-: ping
[20:59] <pavlushka-> night guys, i am having cat. 25 here, see ya :)
[20:59] <zaki> he he
[20:59] <zaki> good night pavel
[21:00] <zaki> have a sweet dream
[21:00] <Tuhin> about  decade++ ago i heard  Grundig sound system at Dhaka International Trade fair, still remember it
[21:00] <zaki> no idea :|
[21:01] <Tuhin> price was about 95k back in 2000
[21:01] <zaki> :O
[21:01] <Tuhin> that brand is not well known now
[21:01] <zaki> hmm
[21:03] <zaki> what are u doing Tuhin?
[21:04] <zaki> when u will sleep?
[21:04] <Tuhin> yeah soon
[21:04] <zaki> oky
[21:04] <Tuhin> looking up about speakers
[21:04] <zaki> he he..
[21:04] <zaki> (y)
[21:04] <Tuhin> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6a/9e/4c/6a9e4c505366572101009190ef5b49ee.jpg
[21:04] <Tuhin> they were selling some alien like speaker like that
[21:05] <zaki> wow. really nice
[21:05] <Tuhin> another one looked like a long Alien face with long Ears like Elephant
[21:05] <Tuhin> the sound was coming out like magic
[21:06] <zaki> ha ha
[21:06] <Tuhin> i build speakers and amplifiers since class 6-7
[21:06] <zaki> thats great (y)
[21:06] <Tuhin> i wanted to copy their design
[21:07] <Tuhin> but it was too advanced.....
[21:07] <zaki> which brand u prefer? which brand u like most?
[21:07] <Tuhin> Kenwood and Pioneer
[21:07] <zaki> oky
[21:07] <Tuhin> have 12 inch Kenwood subwoofer
[21:07] <zaki> and for headset
[21:07] <zaki> ?
[21:07] <Tuhin> built the box and installed myself
[21:08] <Tuhin> also the amp
[21:08] <Tuhin> i use Asus Cerebrus and Seinheiser headphones
[21:09] <Tuhin> sony used to make good headphones and stuff
[21:09] <Tuhin> but last 1 decade they r making low quality stuff
[21:09] <Tuhin> maybe longer
[21:09] <zaki> hmm
[21:10] <zaki> QA: is felling sleepy..
[21:10] <QA> zaki: Excuse me?
[21:10] <zaki> me too
[21:11] <zaki> he he
[21:11] <zaki> good night Tuhin
[21:11] <Tuhin> yeah me too logging off
[21:11] <Tuhin> Good ight
[21:11] <zaki> good night ahoneybun and be safe.
[21:11] <zaki> tc
[21:11] <Tuhin> Bye


[13:33] <coolbhavi> hey dpm
[13:37] <cwayne> coolbhavi!  hey
[13:37] <coolbhavi> hey cwayne :) what time is it there now?
[13:40] <cwayne> coolbhavi: 8:40 am
[13:40] <coolbhavi> cwayne, so, good morning!
[13:40] <cwayne> coolbhavi: thanks!
[13:40] <cwayne> hows it going?
[13:42] <coolbhavi> cwayne,  I gave a session yesterday on ubuntu development and ubuntu app development with some python basics at a local engineering college here where I found many students interested
[13:42] <coolbhavi> from 9 -6 :) so going good!
[13:50] <dpm> hey coolbhavi
[13:51] <dpm> cool!
[13:51] <dpm> good job
[13:53] <coolbhavi> dpm, it was fun to see the fascination they had when I fired up glade and showed them a simple app... Some of them even wrote down all the quickly commands I used :D
[13:54] <coolbhavi> dpm, btw I was planning on my ARB session this UDW.. any inputs?
[13:54] <coolbhavi> as to what I can say
[14:15] <dpm> coolbhavi, that's pretty awesome :)
[14:20] <coolbhavi> :)
[19:11] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!


[01:41] <quidnunc> I'm looking for emacs24.4. I have read that the package has been merged from debian. Where can merged packages be found?


[18:47] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:49] <chilts> morning
[18:57] <ajmitch> morning
[20:06] <hads> morning
[20:49] <Atamira> mornin
[22:35] <mwhudson> i suppose i should update to quantal
[22:35] <mwhudson> are the nz mirrors vaguely up to date?
[22:41] <ajmitch> vaguely, depending on which one you use
[22:42] <ibeardslee> that reminds me that I really need to do that mirror comparison again
[22:42]  * ajmitch should probably upgrade to quantal as well, at some point
[22:42] <ibeardslee> home PC and UltraLap are running it
[22:42] <ajmitch> currently just my home pc is running it
[23:30]  * ibeardslee kicks off the work workstation upgrade
[23:32] <ibeardslee> which means I'll need to build a precise vm for support fun and games