[02:11] <JontheEchidna> http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081230/NEWS01/81230011
[02:25] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i read that as man jumps out of a 72 story building and extinguishes fire
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> lol
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> me too at first
[02:26] <vorian> i was like, at least he went out as a hero
[02:26] <JontheEchidna> must be like Rambo's dad or something
[02:26] <vorian> eeew
[02:26] <vorian> batavia ny
[02:27] <vorian> that's the half way point 'tween buffalo and rochester
[02:27] <vorian> i didn't think they had two story buildings there
[02:28] <vorian> omg
[02:28] <vorian> algore was right
[02:28] <vorian> http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=A2&Date=20090101&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=901010327&Ref=AR
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> ...why is there a .dll extension in that url? Can you really program websites that use dll-type crap?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> that makes my sad v.v
[02:33] <vorian> hehe
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> I can never get more than 30 kB/s with archive.ubuntu.com...
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> for very long
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> 49% [209 lokalize 363911/571kB 63%]                                         25.3kB/s 2h20min8s
[02:49] <jjesse> just created a jaunty vm and kontact is not installed by default?
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: it was kicked off the seed at the last minute for alpha2 due to cd size restrictions, its removal shouldn't be permanent
[02:51] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: cool thanks, seems like a lot of extra packages get installed with sudo apt-get install kontact
[02:58] <nixternal> oi oi...gone back to using urxvt...lookin' secksi
[02:58] <nixternal> though I must admin the refresh is a little slow for some reason, but I won't blame that on urxvt as much as I will on "yet another KDE 4 memory leak"
[02:58] <nixternal> s/admin/admit
[03:22] <vorian> nixternal: your urxvt looks great!
[03:23] <nixternal> almost how it looked about 10+ years ago
[03:23] <vorian> i like your app launcher too :)
[03:24] <vorian> would be nice to get it as a default
[03:24] <nixternal> ya, someone put it on kde-look.org
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> hotness
[03:42] <DaSkreech> moto moto
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Am I the only person who doesn' have dolphin's view  move with the selection ?
[04:24] <astromme_> DaSkreech: Nope, it doesn't move for me either. 4.1.85 on Kubuntu Jaunty here
[05:08] <DaSkreech> That sucks
[05:42] <JontheEchidna> jaunty upgrade went smoothly
[05:42] <JontheEchidna> only ran in to 2 overwrite bugs and a python bug that I could all easily work around
[05:43] <DaSkreech> How's the Jackalope?
[05:43] <JontheEchidna> plus... X works (after I pinned old versions of the nvidia driver plus xserver-core)
[05:43] <JontheEchidna> s/after/since
[05:44]  * DaSkreech throws penguin eggs at X
[05:44]  * NCommander yawns
[05:45] <NCommander> Finally back home
[05:45] <NCommander> and KDE is (mostly) working on ARM
[05:45]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed now
[05:45] <NCommander> :-P
[05:46]  * NCommander is taking a look at fixing KDE bluetooth
[05:52] <NCommander> KDE 4.2 is nice ...
[05:56] <NCommander> wow, kbluetooth is REALLY broken
[05:57] <NCommander> and quite dead upstream ...
[05:58] <DaSkreech> Yep
[05:58] <DaSkreech> If you start massaging it upstream you'll probably get a few other distros jumping in
[05:58] <DaSkreech> No one really wants it broken
[06:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got fixes for the overwrite bugs?
[06:01] <NCommander> DaSkreech, its bitrotten to the point of unusability
[06:01] <DaSkreech> NCommander: How bad? Scorched earth bad?
[06:02] <NCommander> Referencing non-existant Solid APIs, and the binaries segfault on jaunty
[06:02] <NCommander> and its doing the referencing form moc files it seems
[06:02] <NCommander> so yeah
[06:02] <NCommander> its bad
[06:05] <NCommander> solid's bluetooth stack is a load of fail ATM
[06:05] <NCommander> Half of its commented out ...
[06:05] <NCommander> DId we do that, or is that upstreams doing
[06:09] <DaSkreech> NCommander: Check it against trunk
[06:09] <NCommander> I'm checking
[06:09] <NCommander> this code doesn't even look similar to trunk ...
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Please don't tell me it's better
[06:12] <NCommander> oh
[06:12] <NCommander> this is ugly
[06:12] <NCommander> I think solid's maintainer disappeared
[06:12] <NCommander> a large changeset was committed to solid's Bluetooth API
[06:12] <NCommander> which broke the build
[06:12] <NCommander> so the vast majority of the API is commented out ....
[06:13] <DaSkreech> What? Solid can't be dead I heard someone blogging it less than 2 months ago
[06:13] <NCommander> Which was the time these changes were made.
[06:13] <NCommander> 8 weeks ago
[06:15] <NCommander> Fixing kdebluetooth means descrewing solid
[06:15] <NCommander> It's not going to be a quick hackjob ...
[06:16]  * NCommander notes its probably easier or saner to simply port the GNOME bluetooth app
[06:18] <apachelogger> NCommander: there is nothing to descrew in solid
[06:18] <NCommander> Care to explain why the vast majority of bluetooth APIs are descrewed with commit messages "Fixing API breakage"?
[06:18] <NCommander> apachelogger, ^
[06:19] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[06:19] <NCommander> s/descrewed/commented out/g
[06:19] <NCommander> I pinged one of the maintainer of this code on IRC< maybe I can know what if any plans are
[06:19] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: bluetooth is no maintained by ervin
[06:19] <NCommander> But its not an Ubuntu specific issue
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Is no maintained?
[06:20] <apachelogger> *not
[06:20] <NCommander> I think he meant not
[06:20]  * apachelogger only got up after 4 hours of sleep :P
[06:20] <NCommander> apachelogger, what specificially is solid?
[06:21] <apachelogger> NCommander: hardware abstraction
[06:21] <NCommander> Oh, I see.
[06:21]  * NCommander winces
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Oh I thought that might be what he was saying but then you could replace ervin with any of 6 billion names so I didn't quite see the point
[06:21] <DaSkreech> And notification
[06:21] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/apidocs/apidox-kde-4.1/kdelibs-apidocs/solid/html/index.html
[06:21] <DaSkreech> So if the hardware changes Solid says what and why
[06:21] <NCommander> Handy
[06:22] <NCommander> The BlueZ 4 change broke the solid compile
[06:22] <NCommander> so it looks like someone just commented out that entire block of code
[06:22] <DaSkreech> It's essentially a KDE abstraction of the udev abstraction of the hardware abstraction layer
[06:22] <NCommander> ETOOMANYLAYERSOFABSTRACTION
[06:22] <DaSkreech> They had a KDEshirt that said that
[06:23] <DaSkreech> Abstracted by the Abstract KDE abstraction library
[06:23] <NCommander> -_-;
[06:23] <apachelogger> classic one
[06:23] <apachelogger> makes my heart smile
[06:23]  * apachelogger goes fix0ring bugs
[06:23] <NCommander> fix solid :-)
[06:23]  * NCommander runs
[06:24] <apachelogger> one gone, 3 billion to go
[06:24] <NCommander> apachelogger, your debugging Windows Vista?
[06:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: solid doesn't need fixing, only the bluez module
[06:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: no ubuntu :P
[06:24] <NCommander> *solid-bluez
[06:24]  * apachelogger doesn't even have bluetooth to test with
[06:25] <apachelogger> and through kdt we always see where I get with theoretical implementations :P
[06:26] <NCommander> How hard is it to get access to the SVN  repo
[06:26] <NCommander> ERANDOMQUESTION
[06:27] <apachelogger> basically you just need to request one
[06:27] <NCommander> Where's the catch?
[06:28] <apachelogger> sysadmins are on vacation :P
[06:28] <NCommander> so just like Debian then
[06:28] <NCommander> :-)
[06:28] <apachelogger> ftp.kde.org is down for days now
[06:29] <NCommander> I'm really suprisied no one has fixed this
[06:29] <NCommander> since any distro shipping KDE has non-functional bluetooth
[06:29] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Get_a_SVN_Account
[06:30]  * NCommander gets that odd stupid feeling I'm not going to see Xfce for awhile
[06:31]  * NCommander caused a small scandle when I showed up at a Kubuntu meeting running Xubuntu
[06:31] <DaSkreech> I should hope so
[06:31] <apachelogger> you did?
[06:31] <NCommander> People were under this odd assumption that I actually use KDE :-P
[06:31] <apachelogger> where I drunk that meeting?
[06:32] <NCommander> apachelogger, you weren't at UDS
[06:32] <apachelogger> oh
[06:32]  * apachelogger is nowhere
[06:32]  * NCommander is everywhere
[06:32] <apachelogger> not at UDS, not at camp KDE, not at linuxtag...
[06:32] <NCommander> #kubuntu-devel - Where KDE and Zen Saying meet
[06:33]  * NCommander grabs the source package
[06:35] <DaSkreech> ok Gotta stop listening to Depeche Mode
[06:38] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: how so?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> By switching to a new band?
[06:38] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: hm, that could work
[06:39] <DaSkreech> I'm on Aqualung now
[06:39] <apachelogger> not that I know that though
[06:40] <DaSkreech> It's just an Extra Ordinary Thing
[06:40] <apachelogger> *nod*
[06:40] <apachelogger> oh dear, nc crashed
[06:41] <apachelogger> wb NCommander
[06:41] <NCommander> thanks
[06:41]  * NCommander is mulling over his constitution
[06:43] <DaSkreech> That this be true all men were created equal Unless they should be sent to Guantunamo Bay then maybe they were a litle less
[07:09] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Good night
[07:09] <apachelogger> nini DaSkreech
[08:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[08:05] <apachelogger> rosetta has one month import lag right now
[08:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, when do we get our nokia thingies? :P
[08:42] <Arby> apachelogger: do you have a minute to look at bug 312771 with your packaging guru hat on?
[08:43] <apachelogger> I did look at it
[08:43] <apachelogger> and decided to stop looking at it
[08:43] <Arby> I'v looked into it and I think it's just a missing entry in the kpilot.install file
[08:43] <apachelogger> well
[08:43] <Arby> ah, why?
[08:43] <apachelogger> Arby: do you have a list-missing from kdepim
[08:43] <apachelogger> the only references I found to that file is a .so in /usr/lib
[08:44] <Arby> somewhere yes, and I don't recall seeing it there
[08:44] <apachelogger> and I certainly don't hope it is a lib without soname
[08:45] <apachelogger> Arby: I would ask how he comes to the conclusion that that file is missing and that it being missing is responsible for the broken conduits
[08:45] <Arby> it gets compiled but not installed as far as I can see
[08:45] <Arby> home/richard/dev/cache/pbuilder/build/30041/tmp/buildd/kdepim-4.1.85/debian/tmp/usr/lib/libkpilot_akonadibase.so
[08:45] <apachelogger> well
[08:46] <Arby> it does seem as if mandriva had the same bug a bit back
[08:46] <Arby> http://www.nabble.com/-Bug-45299--kdepim4,-NEW:-kpilot-requires-file-libkpilot_akonadibase.so-from-kdepim4-devel-p20162890.html
[08:47] <apachelogger> I think kpilot violates KDE's policy on lib install paths
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: add it to kpilot.install ... the lib is soname-less, even though it shouldn't be (which is the reason mandriva assumed it is a usual .so file for development and add it to their -devel and the reason we have it in our not-installed)
[08:49] <apachelogger> that said
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: remove it from the not-installed when you add it to kpilot.install
[08:49] <apachelogger> Arby: you can commit the change using  --fixes lp:BUGNUMBER  to link the branch to the bug
[08:50] <Arby> will do, what do you mean by soname-less? back to me and libs again :)
[08:52] <apachelogger> Arby: it doesn't have a versioning ... usually you would have .so.x.y.z .so.x .so files ... libkpilot_akonadibase only has a .so
[08:52] <Arby> ah ok I understand
[08:52] <apachelogger> if you remember... .so files usually are links to .so.x and .so.x is a link to .so.x.y.z
[08:53] <apachelogger> of course .so can't be a link to .so.x if the latter is not even existing ;-)
[08:53] <Arby> I remember
[08:53] <Arby> it was the definition of soname-less I was missing, I get it now
[08:53] <apachelogger> k
[08:53] <apachelogger> <3 broken tarballs
[08:54]  * Arby reaches for batbuild :)
[08:54] <apachelogger> -(~/src/choqok:$)-> ls -lah | grep tar
[08:54] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r--  1 me me   45 2009-01-01 19:31 choqok.tar.gz
[08:54] <apachelogger> needless to say src/choqok is already the extracted source
[08:55] <Arby> recursive tarballs?
[08:55] <apachelogger> well, I think the dev is as good with taring stuff as I am ... so the first try to tar went wrong ;-)
[08:56] <apachelogger> which probably is a good reason to get himself a fine release script
[08:56] <apachelogger> which makes me think that my extragear release script needs a new layer of abstraction to make it useful for non-extragear apps
[09:00] <Arby> hooray for scripts
[09:00] <Arby> and automation in general
[09:02]  * apachelogger plays the moby
[09:02]  * Arby leaves kdepim to compile and goes in search of breakfast
[09:08] <apachelogger> todo: rewrite dh_make
[11:34] <Arby> apachelogger: if I send you a debdiff for kdepim can you review and upload please?
[11:42] <Arby> sent
[11:47]  * jussi01 grumbles at annoying bugs that make the pc not boot
[12:01] <apachelogger> Arby: just push the kdepim branch
[12:02] <Arby> oh right we're doing it that way now
[12:03] <Arby> I just did apt-get source
[12:03] <Arby> apachelogger: is it possible for me to pull the branch, apply the diff and push back?
[12:05] <apachelogger> yes
[12:07]  * Arby looks up how to apply a diff in bzr
[12:10] <apachelogger> Arby: patch -p0 < debdiff? :P
[12:10] <Arby> if you say so :)
[12:10] <Arby> just one of the gazillions of things I've never needed to know
[12:11] <apachelogger> or patch -p1 < debdiff if you are in the main directory (the one with debian/)
[12:11] <Arby> apachelogger:  where in the source tree do I need to be when I issue that^^?
[12:11] <Arby> ah that answers that
[12:14] <Arby> apachelogger: do I need a commit comment or are they automagically generated from the changelog?
[12:16] <apachelogger> Arby: debcommit -R should take care of that
[12:23] <Arby> apachelogger: done, thanks for the pointers
[12:33] <apachelogger> Arby: usually you should use UNRELEASED for distribution name to make it clear that these changes were not uploaded
[12:33] <apachelogger> change looking good otherwise
[12:34] <Arby> apachelogger: ok noted
[12:46] <lool> apachelogger: Re:cdbs 0.4.52ubuntu10: you might want to consider testing for $(DEB_PATCHDIRS) being present instead as it's an override for QUILT_PATCHES supported by patchsys-quilt.mk
[12:54] <jussi01> is the 64 bit flash plugin packaged for ubuntu yet?
[12:54] <jussi01> I mean intrepid
[12:58] <Tm_T> indeed
[12:58] <jussi01> Tm_T: it is?
[12:58] <Tm_T> jussi01: no, I have no idea about that
[12:58] <jussi01> hehe
[12:59] <Tm_T> I was loudly thinking of Qt packaging
[12:59] <jussi01> Tm_T: do you know where to put the libflashplayer.so for a manual install?
[13:00] <Tm_T> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[13:00] <Tm_T> ?
[13:00] <jussi01> hrm, ok...
[13:01] <Tm_T> that's where it is here
[13:01] <Tm_T> but I'm on 32bit system
[13:01] <Tm_T> I think we need a patch for our current Qt
[13:02] <Tm_T> 0260-fix-qgraphicswidget-deletionclearFocus.diff
[13:02] <Tm_T> fixes some plasma crashes and stuff
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: one is that koffice2 one with the oxygen icons and one is one in libdrm2 with libdrm-intel1 or something
[14:06] <apachelogger> I thought koffice is fixed?
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> guess not
[14:08] <apachelogger> more information
[14:09] <apachelogger> lool: that var might not be set, or is it set by cdbs internally if none provided?
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, there's an upgrade to koffice now
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> maybe it has been fixed :P
[14:55] <vorian> JontheEchidna: :o
[14:55] <vorian> i never got to test the beta packaging that fella did
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 is wut I just got
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Seems to install fine too :)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> Tm_T: I added that patch to jaunty, never got around to preparing an SRU for Intrepid
[15:21]  * JontheEchidna cleans out old kernels
[15:41] <lool> apachelogger: It might not be set; in which case it's sensible to default to debian/patches
[15:42] <lool> Well $(CURDIR)/debian/patches rather
[16:38] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: I see
[16:57] <apachelogger> vorian: yeah, we kind of skipped a beta :P
[16:58] <vorian> hehe
[16:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, vorian: if someone feels like backporting... ;-)
[16:58] <vorian> I was having the baby and stuff
[16:58] <Tm_T> vorian: when?
[16:58] <apachelogger> not so sure, I still didn't see pix :P
[16:58] <vorian> ummm
[16:58] <vorian> 14th :)
[16:59] <vorian> grr, hold please :)
[16:59] <Tm_T> vorian: bah, I have 7-week old daughter here
[16:59] <apachelogger> lool: that means I need to find out how to create compound conditions :P
[17:00] <vorian> Tm_T: Congrats!
[17:00] <apachelogger> vorian, Tm_T: I hope they got names with at least one kay
[17:01] <vorian> mmm
[17:01] <vorian> gregory scott for me
[17:02] <Tm_T> apachelogger: last name has 3
[17:03] <vorian> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=51387&l=7435a&id=803693404
[17:03] <vorian> had to find the wifes photos
[17:03] <vorian> as i broke her blog :o
[17:03] <apachelogger> Tm_T: perfect
[17:03] <apachelogger> vorian: also perfect :P
[17:03] <apachelogger> facebook is the slowest -.-
[17:04] <vorian> you'll also see the awesome present i got my wife....
[17:04] <vorian> a backpack blower!
[17:04] <apachelogger> wahhh :D
[17:04] <apachelogger> most awesome
[17:05] <apachelogger> vorian: lovely baby as well
[17:05] <vorian> thanke
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, so I should be able to port software-properties-kde over to KCM easily enough, but keeping its standalone functionality would be a bit more difficult...
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> Since its a dialog anyway maybe we could just change things to launch it in kcmshell :P
[17:24] <JontheEchidna> hrm...
[17:34] <afiestas> Riddell: ping
[17:36] <lool> apachelogger: Eh  :)  $(if $(DEB_PATCHDIRS),$(DEB_PATCHDIRS),$(CURDIR)/debian/patches)
[17:36] <apachelogger> that looks workaroundish :P
[17:37] <NCommander> hey apachelogger & ScottK
[17:37] <lool> apachelogger: It's cdbs-style: grep '\$(if ' /usr/share/cdbs -r | wc -l!
[17:37] <apachelogger> *nod* cdbs always was a big woraround :P
[17:38]  * lool notes down the quote
[17:38] <apachelogger> lool: wouldn't that only work within a target?
[17:39] <lool> I don't think it works any less than $(wildcards ), but I'm sometimes proven wrong
[17:40] <apachelogger> maybe ifeq ($(if...))
[17:40] <lool> Or let's say regularly proven wrong, that's less presumptuous
[17:40] <lool> apachelogger: Oh yes, I intended the above as a replacement of $(DEB_PATCHDIRS) in your expression
[17:41] <lool> Not as a replacement of the ifeq
[17:41] <apachelogger> more sensible
[17:41]  * apachelogger tries
[17:41] <apachelogger> or not
[17:41] <apachelogger> I am out of diskspace
[17:41] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:48] <ryanakca> nixternal: What do you use to list all the mailboxes in a column in mutt? I always go 'c?' and then arrow around to change mine...
[17:49] <nhandler> ryanakca: That is what I do too
[17:49] <Tm_T> JontheEchidna: can you take qt4.4.3 in intrepid?
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> you mean add the patch to the 4.4.3 packages in intrepid?
[17:49] <Tm_T> yes
[17:50] <Tm_T> so I can concentrate on 4.5
[17:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I can. In the meantime you can use the packages in my ppa for intrepid if you really need the patch
[17:51] <Riddell> afiestas: you pinged?
[17:52] <apachelogger> lool: doesn't work too well
[17:52] <apachelogger> Tm_T: you are doing 4.5?
[17:52] <apachelogger> b1?
[17:52] <Tm_T> yes
[17:53] <apachelogger> oh
[17:53] <Tm_T> and daily
[17:53] <lool> apachelogger: You need to set DEB_PATCHDIRS before the include, is that what you mean?
[17:53]  * apachelogger was starting on it as well :P
[17:53] <Tm_T> apachelogger: (:)
[17:53] <lool> apachelogger: Alternatively, you could also just mkdir debian/patches and forget about it  :-P
[17:54] <apachelogger> you are confusing me :P
[17:57] <Tm_T> apachelogger: did you already check what patches should remain?
[17:57] <apachelogger> nope
[17:57] <apachelogger> Tm_T: from my point of view they all should go anyway
[17:57] <apachelogger> patches--
[17:58] <afiestas> Riddell: ya, you are the author of the kmix osd, right?
[17:58] <Tm_T> apachelogger: heh, maybe I make first package that way
[17:58] <Riddell> afiestas: yes
[17:59] <afiestas> I want fix the dualmonitor support on it, but maybe you can do it easily (since you wrote the code)
[17:59] <afiestas> the are some small problems with the position if you have 2 monitors with different resolutions
[17:59] <Riddell> afiestas: patches indeed welcome
[18:00] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, should I do b1 or go directly to b1+daily ?
[18:00] <afiestas> ook, I'll try to do it today
[18:00] <Riddell> afiestas: you'd need to look at the 4.2 beta for the current code (which was actually committed by someone not me so might be a bit different)
[18:00] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I really think daily of Qt doesn't make too much sense
[18:00] <afiestas> Riddell: I'm reading and using 4.2 so np
[18:00] <Riddell> good luck afiestas
[18:00] <afiestas> so, I should send the patch to you, or just in the mailist?
[18:01] <Riddell> afiestas: me is fine
[18:01] <Tm_T> apachelogger: heh, might be so
[18:01] <afiestas> oks, I'll, thx !
[18:20] <Tm_T> someone have to instruct me with ppa at some point then
[18:22] <apachelogger> Tm_T: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[18:22] <Tm_T> thanks
[18:22] <Tm_T> that'll do it
[18:24] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hmm, beta1 would be 4.4.90 ?
[18:24] <apachelogger> Tm_T: 4.5~beta1
[18:25] <Tm_T> ah, roger
[18:28] <apachelogger> rofl
[18:29] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzHcbhGWNk
[18:31] <JontheEchidna> lmao
[18:33]  * apachelogger needs to become a super sing star dude
[18:34] <nixternal> ryanakca: that is the mutt-patched package...it is called patch because it contains the patch for adding a mailbox list
[18:36] <ryanakca> nhandler: ^^
[18:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: thanks
[18:37] <apachelogger> ~np
[18:37] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "You're Wondering Now" by Amy Winehouse [Back to Black (Deluxe Edition), 2007]
[18:37] <nhandler> ryanakca: I'm installing mutt-patched now ;)
[18:37] <NCommander> ~np
[18:37] <kubotu> NCommander listened to "Sonikku Ganbatte!" by Mario 34 hours ago
[18:37] <NCommander> -_-;
[18:37] <ryanakca> ~np
[18:37] <kubotu> ryanakca listened to "Tout en haut de la France" by Quendi 16 minutes ago
[18:37] <ryanakca> heh :)
[18:38] <nhandler> ~np
[18:38] <kubotu> nhandler listened to "Good Time" by Alan Jackson [Good Time, 2008] 3 weeks ago
[18:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:38] <apachelogger> dood
[18:38] <apachelogger> 3 weeks?
[18:38] <nhandler> Where is that from? last.fm?
[18:38] <apachelogger> aye
[18:38] <nhandler> That is why. I haven't used last.f for a while
[18:39] <apachelogger> no good
[18:40]  * ryanakca cheers... looks like rounding is working / will work on the new wiki theme
[18:41]  * apachelogger sings about monkey men
[18:51] <Tm_T> ~np
[18:51] <kubotu> Tm_T is listening to "Angel of Mercy" by Dire Straits [Communiqué, 2000]
[18:51] <Tm_T> bah
[18:51] <Tm_T> ~lastfm recenttracks
[18:51] <kubotu> recenttracks for Tm_T:
[18:51] <kubotu> Mercyful Fate – At the Sound of the Demon Bell, Metallica – Merciful Fate, Mercyful Fate – At the Sound of the Demon Bell, Mercyful Fate – Into the Coven
[18:59] <NCommander> ~lastfm NCommander
[18:59] <kubotu> NCommander listened to "Sonikku Ganbatte!" by Mario 34 hours ago
[18:59] <NCommander> oh wait
[18:59] <NCommander> ~lastfm recenttracks
[18:59] <kubotu> recenttracks for NCommander:
[18:59] <kubotu> Mario – Sonikku Ganbatte!, Richter – Bring in the Machine, Sadorf – Aquatic Project, Aeolius – Apocalypric Orbital Ovum
[18:59] <NCommander> Neat
[19:01] <jussi01> does anyone here have a backlog of planet ubuntu in theirr feed reader?
[19:08]  * ryanakca wonders when he'll receive his ``Would you like to renew your Kubuntu membership'' email... only 5 days 'till expiry
[19:09] <jussi01> ryanakca: you get one of them?
[19:09] <ryanakca> jussi01: so I'm told...
[19:09] <jussi01> right then... :)
[19:12] <ryanakca> Should wiki.kubuntu.org keep a list of links (appearance: www.kubuntu.org, top right) with a search box, or go for a cleaner / less cluttered look with only a search box, like help.ubuntu.com/community/ ?
[19:13] <jjesse> like help.ubuntu.com/community
[19:15] <nhandler> jussi01: What are you looking for on planet ubuntu?
[19:16] <jussi01> nhandler: got it already, thanks anyway (was looking for this: http://en.andregondim.eti.br/?p=69 ) :)
[19:16] <nhandler> Ok. glad you found it
[19:33] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[19:36] <jussi01> Tm_T: cold?
[19:36] <Tm_T> nah, just takes ages to build Qt
[19:37]  * ryanakca remembers when he used to rebuild KDE4 everynight...
[19:38] <Tm_T> ryanakca: I do it several times a day
[19:38] <Tm_T> ryanakca: it's not a problem, but Qt takes ages to build
[19:38] <ryanakca> ah...
[19:39] <Tm_T> when building daily or more often, KDE4 has only few things it builds again
[19:55] <seele> Nightrose: ping
[20:37] <Nightrose> seele: pong
[20:57] <seele> Nightrose: on my TODO i have a note to talk to you about Intrepid upgrades and what problems they had when upgrading from 3/4 and 4/4
[20:58] <seele> Nightrose: do you have any particular problems which come to mind?
[21:01] <Nightrose> seele: hmmm i'll think about it - right now i can only think of some kmail problems
[21:02] <seele> Nightrose: ok.. let me know
[21:02] <NCommander> apachelogger, can you help me at some point work on getting KDE's fixes upstream?
[21:02] <Nightrose> seele: will do - maybe also talk to claydo (?) - he was doing user support on the mailinglist afaik - he might know more
[21:03] <seele> Nightrose: ok, thanks
[21:05] <jussi01> hmmm, lovely... klear has a bug :/
[21:14] <antiquark> Are the Kubuntu packagers aware that the 4.2 packages do not install some of the data engines (RSS, weather, news) and as a result some of the plasmoids don't work?
[21:17] <vorian> antiquark: are you aware that some of the older plasmoids have not been updated (by their upstream authors) to work with 4.2?
[21:18] <vorian> it is unfortunate :(
[21:18] <vorian> antiquark: please check for bug reports, and confirm or add to them.  If there are none that exist, please file a new one :)
[21:20] <antiquark> I already filed a bug report on the KDE bugzilla and was toold by seigo that they do work and it is almost certainly a packaging problem. I'm talking about Weather LCD, RSSNOW and the news plasmoid
[21:21] <vorian> have you checked launchpad for these bugs?
[21:21] <antiquark> No I didn't. The Ubuntu Launchpad?
[21:21] <vorian> launchpad.net, yes
[21:22] <antiquark> ok, I'll have a look
[21:23] <vorian> thanks!
[21:38] <ScottK> NCommander: Pong.
[21:48] <NCommander> ScottK, I took a look at the bluetooth situation
[21:48] <NCommander> Its not pretty
[22:07] <NCommander> ScottK, BTW, feel like sponsoring a fix?
[22:38] <jjesse> what benifit do i get by setting things to utilize akondi? like enabling akondi for kontact, korganzier, etc?
[22:47] <jjesse> hrm kontact wont' start now that sucks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/98599/
[23:48] <ScottK> NCommander: About to head out for a while.  Later tonight.
[23:48] <NCommander> Ok, cya
[23:49] <ScottK> NCommander: Will this fix get bluetooth actually working or just building on armel?
[23:49] <NCommander> No, this is an unrelated fix :-P
[23:56] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  I guess I don' t know the point if it doesn't make it work.  I'd say just toss the patch into bzr and we'll do it with the 4.2 RC then.
[23:56] <NCommander> ScottK, this isn't for kdebluetooth!
[23:56]  * NCommander falls over
[23:56] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.  What then?
[23:56] <NCommander> fontforge
[23:56] <NCommander> to fix kdebluetooth means fixing solid
[23:57]  * NCommander winces
[23:57] <NCommander> solid-bt is REALLY broken
[23:57] <ScottK> Maybe later tonight then.


[02:21] <AskUbuntu> List of Best java application in ubuntu(Linux) | http://askubuntu.com/q/442662
[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <DanChapman> good morning
[06:56] <DanChapman> popey ping
[07:09] <dholbach> hey DanChapman
[07:09] <dholbach> DanChapman, I just moved over the trojitá daily builds to the core apps ppa
[07:09] <dholbach> so they should be available whenever the ppa machinery is feeling like it ;-)
[07:10] <dholbach> and it's just beautiful to see how well it's already working
[07:12] <DanChapman> morning dholbach, brilliant it will be good to get a regular build going :-)
[07:13] <DanChapman> dholbach: yes it's coming along nicely and so quick. I was quite stunned with the speed it can pull in a massive mailbox
[07:14] <dholbach> greta work :)
[07:14] <dholbach> I hope we can find a few more people to work on it :)
[07:54] <nik90> zsombi: Another Ubuntu Layouts bug -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-ZkZ9ZOjA
[07:54] <nik90> zsombi: This is before and after using your MP at https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/layouts-fix1298886/+merge/213611
[07:54] <nik90> Reference code: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/cliffhanger/convergence-1
[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Find a Rainbow Day! :-D
[08:22] <danielbeck_> Hello. I published the game "Green Mahjong" in the click store. Since I have no ubuntu touch device, I wanted to ask if someone could try the game.
[08:44] <mzanetti> danielbeck_: hmm.. the toolbar is really tiny
[08:44] <mzanetti> danielbeck_: and dragging the game board is quite hard to do.
[08:45] <mzanetti> yeah. can't click anything of the toolbar. its too small
[08:47] <mzanetti> danielbeck_: http://i.imgur.com/FaZPpf4.jpg
[08:49] <dpm> morning popey, shall we run a session to get involved to core app development at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/trusty/Timetable ?
[08:53] <popey> DanChapman: pong, did you get your answer from dholbach ?
[08:53] <dholbach> popey, what was the question?
[08:54] <popey> i dunno, it was just a ping ☻
[08:54] <DanChapman> popey, errr what was it..... i've forgotten
[08:55] <popey> dpm: yes, jose mailed me about it, lets do that.
[08:55] <dpm> \o/
[08:56] <DanChapman> popey that was it.... I was wondering if you had created a trello board for email client yet? :-D
[08:58] <popey> DanChapman: no, will do asap
[08:59] <popey> if you update the wiki I'll copy the status over
[08:59] <zsombi>  nik90: HomeTab.qml Layouts default layout does not have anything to lay out?
[09:00] <nik90> zsombi: The HomeTab.qml default layout has the Flickable (which contains all the items) to lay out
[09:00] <zsombi> nik90: I don't see it named...
[09:01] <DanChapman> popey, ack
[09:01] <nik90> zsombi: I notice that the Flickable has not been given an ID
[09:01] <dpm> popey, would Wed 23 Apr, 16:00UTC work for you for the session?
[09:02] <zsombi> nik90: I don't see any Layout.itemName assigned anywhere in the default layout...
[09:02] <popey> thats 17:00 till 18:00 for me... yeah, should be okay
[09:02] <zsombi> nik90: sorry Layouts.item assignment I mean...
[09:03] <nik90> zsombi: oh yeah, I don't use those items in the ConditionalLayout. Hence I did not declare Layouts.item for them.
[09:03] <zsombi> nik90: so the conditional layout is just a separate layout, not transferring anything from the defaul tone?
[09:03] <nik90> zsombi: thinking about it now, yeah :D ...I did not realise that until you mentioned it.
[09:04] <danielbeck_> mzanetti: thanks.
[09:04] <zsombi> ok
[09:04] <nik90> zsombi: Should I remove them from the default layout?
[09:04] <danielbeck_> mzanetti: what device do you use?
[09:04] <dpm> popey, ok, added session! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/trusty/Timetable
[09:04] <mzanetti> danielbeck_: nexus 4
[09:05] <nik90> zsombi: btw the original plan was to use the components in the default layout in the Conditional layout as well. But I realised that the carousel doesn't scale well in the tablet form. Hence I decided to use different components in the tablet layout.
[09:05] <zsombi> well... not really, it shoudl be all fine... have you tried to remove the opacity binding to see whether it returns back to the default layout well? or was the video made without my fix MP?
[09:05] <popey> dpm: thanks
[09:05] <nik90> zsombi: I used your fix MP. Also I tried this with/without the opacity binding.
[09:05] <danielbeck_> mzanetti: on the screenshot, the board is mostly outside the screen. Did you drag it there, or was it so when you started the game?
[09:06] <zsombi> and the defautl wasn't revealed still?
[09:06] <mzanetti> danielbeck_: I dragged it there, the only way to get the toolbar in
[09:07] <danielbeck_> mzanetti: could you try what happens when you hold the phone in landscape mode?
[09:07] <nik90> zsombi: yes, the default wasn't still revealed
[09:07] <mzanetti> danielbeck_: nothing
[09:08] <nik90> zsombi: I added a onVisibleChanged function there and I notice that the items in the default layout change from true to false when switching from phone to tablet layout. But when the bug appears, the visible property is still false and doesn't change to true when going back to the default layout.
[09:08] <zsombi> nik90: hmm... ok... that's bad then :/ The issue with the Tab changing caused default layout screwup might be caused by the Tab switch visibility handling...
[09:09] <nik90> zsombi: oh..I suppose then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1300668 needs to be raised to critical priority since it will affect all apps with tabs.
[09:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300668 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Cannot use visible property reliably while using Ubuntu Layouts" [High,Confirmed]
[09:10] <zsombi> nik90: yeah... looks like...
[09:11] <zsombi> nik90: do you need this fix by 14.04 release, or can it come a bit later?
[09:11] <zsombi> nik90: asking this because we have a bunch of bugs we need to sort out by release date...
[09:12] <nik90> zsombi: this bug can wait post 14.04 release. I will be occupied with University stuff for a while.
[09:13] <zsombi> nik90: ok, however the nested bug seems to be also valid still... the test/use case is pretty complex I see, so you could attach the video to the bug as well. Also a small sample code that actually reveals the issue would be nice.
[09:14] <nik90> zsombi: so 2 bugs? In the nested layouts, the default layout is also hidden. So it could be the same bug I attached above?
[09:16] <zsombi> nik90: perhaps... I need to check it deeper in order to express... well, add the video to this mentioned bug, it seems to be related to this anyway...
[09:17] <zsombi> nik90: and let's keep the other one as is
[09:18] <nik90> ok
[09:43] <mihir> dpm, ping !!!
[09:43] <mihir> dpm, got any updates from designs  ?
[10:19] <popey> DanChapman: what's your trello account?
[10:21] <DanChapman> popey, username is: dpniel  or  << @ubuntu.com if you need email
[10:22] <popey> that worked
[10:23] <DanChapman> popey , excellent thanks :-)
[10:23] <popey> np
[12:14] <Mirv> popey: was there someone affected by bug #1298978 around who'd like to confirm the bug fix
[12:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1298978 in qtdeclarative-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "QtQuick V4 Date.Parse() does not support RFC2822 date format" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1298978
[12:14] <Mirv> +"?"
[12:15] <Mirv> since upstream is already all 5.3 and apparently they've fixed it in qtbase, they're not interested in that patch probably but we can have it
[12:23] <pmcgowan> Mirv, thats not good that they will not patch 5.2
[12:23] <pmcgowan> Mirv, thanks for fixing it btw
[12:24] <ogra_> should we probably all just take 6 months off and start over with Ubuntu Touch in 6 months with Qt 5.5 ?
[12:25] <Mirv> pmcgowan: it's not, but they don't really have a branch for 5.2 as they'll owerwrite the release branch with 5.3 soon
[12:25] <seb128> overwrite the release branch?
[12:25] <seb128> are they doing rolling releases? ;-)
[12:25] <Mirv> although they'll have a version specific branch in the future http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2014-February/015786.html
[12:26] <pmcgowan> Mirv, we should press them on this, its BS
[12:26] <Mirv> seb128: when 5.3.0 is released the stable branch gets merged to release branch, and later on the dev branch gets merged to stable starting 5.4 stabilization while dev will become 5.5
[12:27] <ogra_> seb128, rather "destructive releases" by the sounds of it
[12:30] <justcarakas> is there a way to change your namespace ? or do I need to create a new account than ?
[12:42] <beuno> justcarakas, if you haven't uploaded an app with that namespace
[12:43] <beuno> it should be doable
[12:43] <justcarakas> I don't think I ever published an app
[12:43] <JamesTait> justcarakas, you should be able to change your namespace here: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/account/
[12:44] <JamesTait> If, as beuno says, you haven't published an app before.
[12:44] <justcarakas> it worked, thanks, I didn't find it :)
[12:44] <timppa> Any ideas why my pygtk app's webview which shows a page with form is not clickable? Buttons don't work and radio buttons are not selectable.
[12:45] <justcarakas> but now I did find it abviously :p
[12:45] <timppa> on regular browser the page works fine
[12:46] <JamesTait> justcarakas, glad we could help. :)
[13:14] <justcarakas> hurray my first app is published, to bad I have to wait till sunday to post about it because I have a concussion and am officially not allowed on a computer :p
[13:17] <dpm> justcarakas, congrats in any case, and get off the computer :)
[13:35] <AskUbuntu> Publishing my first application on PPA (Launchpad) | http://askubuntu.com/q/442866
[13:56] <dholbach> popey, DanChapman: do we know of anyone who tried to build trojita on arm?
[13:56] <dholbach> I just saw this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/171683724/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-armhf.trojita_0.4.1%2B1-0~4145~ubuntu14.04.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:56] <dholbach> looks like a test hung (note the "Build killed with signal 15 after 150 minutes of inactivity" at the end of the log)
[13:57] <dholbach> mhall119, ^?
[13:57] <popey> i think mhall119 and I built it on-device during our playing early on
[13:57] <popey> but not since
[13:58] <dholbach> ok.. I'll try to build it in a chroot and see what happens
[14:05] <ahayzen> t1mp, ping
[14:06] <t1mp> ahayzen: hello
[14:06] <ahayzen> t1mp, I'm trying to reproduce the issues you stated here https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe-delete-002/+merge/202171/comments/505126
[14:06] <ahayzen> t1mp, are you just running the clock AP tests?
[14:06] <ahayzen> t1mp, and is this on device or on desktop? or should it matter?
[14:07] <t1mp> ahayzen: it was on nexus4
[14:07] <t1mp> ahayzen: initially I was running tests for all apps, but since only clock-app failed I tried multiple times afterwards with only clock
[14:08] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok thanks i'll see if i can figure out how to test that :)
[14:08] <t1mp> ahayzen: I was suspecting that something in those tests was not stable, and the changes that you made in some unexpected way would make those tests fail more often
[14:08] <t1mp> ahayzen: elopio tried to reproduce multiple times but couldn't
[14:08] <t1mp> but he had a slightly newer image.. maybe it got fixed?
[14:08] <ahayzen> hmm interesting
[14:08] <ahayzen> ok i'm on 275 i'll see if i can get it
[14:09] <t1mp> ahayzen: I am running other tests now for a landing.. but when those tests are done, I can test with your changes again
[14:09] <ahayzen> t1mp, thanks
[14:10] <t1mp> ahayzen: CI didn't run automatically after your commit sright?
[14:10] <t1mp> *commits right
[14:11] <ahayzen> t1mp, no it doesn't i only merged with trunk though
[14:11] <t1mp> ahayzen: ok, I asked in #ubuntu-ci-eng if someone can trigger CI for su
[14:11] <t1mp> *us
[14:11] <t1mp> I have a typing disorder today
[14:11] <ahayzen> t1mp, thanks
[14:14] <popey> kalikiana: any idea when https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1289695 will land?
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1289695 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Title for all Core apps should be improved/localized for Desktop" [High,In progress]
[14:15] <ahayzen> t1mp, how are we running AP tests for the clock app these days? i tried, phablet-click-test-setup --click ubuntu-clock-app; phablet-test-run -v ubuntu-clock-app but it looks like the AP stuff isn't there?
[14:16] <t1mp> ahayzen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7198827/
[14:17] <ahayzen> t1mp, thanks
[14:17] <t1mp> I'm not sure if that is the way it is supposed to be done, but I happen to do it like that
[14:18] <t1mp> ahayzen: if you get results, please add them to the MR
[14:28] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, popey, kyleN: so... how about a docs day today? :-D
[14:29] <dpm> dholbach, I think kyleN and (partly) I are already having our own scopes doc day :)
[14:39] <kalikiana> popey: soon… it's ready so in the next batch or therafter it should go in
[14:39] <ahayzen> t1mp, ok i ran all of the tests and got 1 failure appears to be the same as this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/7185550/
[14:39] <popey> kalikiana: this week?
[14:40] <ahayzen> t1mp, however I have run specifically that test (ubuntu_clock_app.tests.test_clock.TestClock.test_enable_seconds_settings_must_show_second_hand failed for me) again on its own 5 times and it was fine
[14:40] <ahayzen> t1mp, this was my failure http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7198940/
[14:42] <t1mp> ahayzen: weird. I was getting similar stuff, but different failures for each time I ran the app
[14:43] <ahayzen> t1mp, are they just flaky tests?
[14:43] <t1mp> ahayzen: it may be coincidence, but it seemed the failures were more frequent with your changes included than without
[14:43] <t1mp> ahayzen: but it is difficult to tell since with each set of changes I only ran the tests like 4 times..
[14:43] <t1mp> ahayzen: I think so. tricky...
[14:44] <t1mp> elopio: ^ what do you think?
[14:44] <ahayzen> t1mp, hmmm maybe if i go back to the trunk sdk and see if i can get the same/similar issues?
[14:45] <kalikiana> popey: yeah, whatever the next opportunity I catch when a silo gets opened
[14:48] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes that is good to compare
[14:48] <t1mp> ahayzen: thanks a lot for running the tests
[14:49] <ahayzen> t1mp, i'm attempting to rollback now ... no problem :)
[14:49] <t1mp> ahayzen: I was running tests for several days last week, and to be honest I don't find it the most exciting work
[14:49] <ahayzen> t1mp, heh....i like watching it type itself :)
[14:49] <t1mp> ahayzen: yes it is fun to see it two or three times ;)
[14:50] <ahayzen> t1mp, yeah lol
[14:51] <t1mp> ahayzen: it is also fun when you decide to start all tests in the night before sleeping, and then a few hours later the music-app-tests begin ;)
[14:51] <ahayzen> t1mp, ahaha the number of times i've done tht at 3 in the morning and nearly woken my flat
[14:52] <popey> the sooner we get rid of that music the better
[14:52] <popey> can we just run it through audacity to reduce the volume down to near-zero ☻
[14:52] <ahayzen> popey, we should have a lullaby as our test music
[14:52] <popey> +1
[14:53] <t1mp> or spooky sounds from a scary movie :)
[14:53] <popey> ☻
[14:53] <ahayzen> lol
[14:57] <popey> ahayzen: gah, i can't test music 409 on #250 because it barfs in one way, and it barfs another way on latest proposed..
[14:57] <ahayzen> popey, barfs?
[14:58] <ahayzen> popey, i'll try once the clock-app tests are done
[15:01] <popey> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 33281: ordinal not in range(128)
[15:01] <popey> i get that on #250
[15:02] <popey> and on 275 it just goes all wrong, and I can't really tell if it's the image or the tests right now
[15:03] <ahayzen> popey, tht issue if a python 2->3 IIRC
[15:04] <popey> yeah.
[15:04] <popey> right, will concentrate on getting it working on 275
[15:23] <ahayzen_> t1mp, i've run the clock-app tests 3 times and they have passed each time :/
[15:26] <t1mp> ahayzen_: that is on a clean image without your packages?
[15:26] <ahayzen_> t1mp, that was with me reverting the changes...i think i'm gonna reflash in a minute to double check
[15:32] <dholbach> popey, DanChapman, mhall119: looks like the new armhf build is going to fail at the same spot in the build: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+build/5875772
[15:32] <dholbach> (build started 4h ago)
[15:32] <dholbach> the one before got killed at "4 hours, 13 minutes, 29.9 seconds": https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily/+build/5875511
[15:33] <dholbach> and my local build (through qemu) is still in process
[15:33] <dholbach> and looks like test 1 already segfaulted
[15:33] <dholbach> would a logfile of the build be sufficient for a bug report?
[15:35] <dpm> hi elopio, how did you get on with the Reminders tests?
[15:37] <ahayzen_> popey, all the tests passed when running my hacky script...
[15:38] <popey> ahayzen_: on which image?
[15:38] <ahayzen_> popey, this is my script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7199223/ when i then exec with $ ./script lp:music-app music_app
[15:38] <ahayzen_> popey, 275
[15:39] <popey> hmm, seems music app doesn't see my "music"
[15:40]  * popey clears mediascanner cache and starts again
[15:40] <ahayzen_> popey, do u have music on ur device?
[15:40] <popey> only the 3 tracks
[15:42] <popey> \o/ running now
[15:43] <ahayzen_> \o/
[15:47] <popey> i need a special script for this which clears out music, wipes mediascanner caches, reboots, sets us up the bomb and runs the tests
[15:47] <popey> (which, frankly, I shouldn't need) ☻
[15:49] <ahayzen_> popey, yep its pretty messy at the moment
[15:49] <ahayzen_> popey, although it is 'supposed' to backup ur music and make copies etc
[15:53] <popey> ahayzen_: tests pass!
[15:53] <ahayzen_> popey, \o/
[16:08] <elopio> dpm: yesterday I just started looking at the code, the documents and the UI.
[16:09] <elopio> I'll try to list the main tests today, and maybe write one. DanChapman: you around?
[16:11] <elopio> t1mp, ahayzen_: to understand that error I would need to see what's going on the UI. Can you keep an eye when it fails and then tell me what's going on?
[16:12] <elopio> like, the toolbar is not opened, or it seems to be clicking in the wrong place.
[16:12] <ahayzen_> elopio, i've just reflashed and am double checking it doesn't occur with trunk, will try again in a bit and see if i can spot anything strange
[16:13] <dpm> thanks elopio, do you think QA-wise we can have it in shape to propose it for inclusion to the image on Monday?
[16:13] <elopio> ahayzen_: thanks. Bonus points if you can capture a video :D
[16:13] <ahayzen_> elopio, and how would i do that?
[16:16] <elopio> ahayzen_: there's mirscreencast, but I don't know if it's usable on the phone. So what I've been doing is holding a camera in front of the phone :)
[16:16] <elopio> that's why I said it's bonus points, not nice.
[16:16] <ahayzen_> elopio, hah awesome
[16:17] <ahayzen_> t1mp, elopio, just ran the tests with trunk again and they all passed
[16:18] <DanChapman> elopio yes i'm around
[16:18] <DanChapman> :-)
[16:52] <ahayzen_> elopio, when i run all of the clock tests together i get random failures on different tests, then if i choose one of the tests that fails and rerun it many times the issue doesn't appear to occur :/
[16:53] <elopio> ahayzen_: hah, that's a good clue.
[16:53] <elopio> ahayzen_: does it happen with your branch, or with trunk?
[16:53] <ahayzen_> elopio, it only fails with my patch
[16:54] <elopio> dpm: having the basic tests by monday it's going to be hard, I think. But if somebody runs the tests manually while they are automated, that's not a blocker for including it on the image.
[16:54] <elopio> we should have at least a couple ready by monday.
[16:58] <ahayzen_> elopio, do u see similar behaviour or are you running other tests?
[17:01] <DanChapman> elopio I have all day tomorrow free to get as many tests done as possible. What your thoughts on the key tests to get implemented first
[17:05] <elopio> ahayzen_: I'm reflashing. Then I need to run a couple of tests for unity, a couple for the dialer, and then I'll try your branch.
[17:05] <elopio> on my previous many attempts, I was just running one test.
[17:05] <elopio> it's harder to notice when one fails when many are running, but I'll give it a try looking at the autopilot console.
[17:07] <ahayzen_> elopio, i just notice that after running all them i get failures, then i pick one of them to run on its own and it doesn't appear to fail
[17:07] <ahayzen_> elopio, i keep trying see if one of them will fail on its own
[17:08] <mzanetti> popey: hey, you don't happen to know a way to reproduce this by now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1300326
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1300326 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Shell randomly freezes with grey tint" [High,Confirmed]
[17:08] <elopio> It's so weird your branch is causing this, thanks for your help ahayzen_.
[17:09] <ahayzen_> elopio, it is rather strange
[17:09] <popey> mzanetti: repeatedly lock the phone with the power button then quickly swipe the welcome screen to the left
[17:09] <popey> mzanetti: davmor2 and I both hit it numerous times with #274 and #275
[17:10] <mzanetti> popey: yeah, that's what I'm doing here for 15 minutes already :D managed to see it once
[17:10] <popey> yeah, 1 in 15 mins seems about right
[17:10] <dpm> sounds good, thanks elopio!
[17:11] <elopio> dpm, DanChapman, without the evernote account, the application just does nothing when I try to add a note. Shouldn't it tell me to register an account?
[17:11] <davmor2> mzanetti: yeap I can go with that, I've hit it closing apps and off of the welcome screen most annoying
[17:12] <mzanetti> hmm... closing apps might make it easier to write something automated. thanks davmor2
[17:12] <popey> elopio: bug 1289342
[17:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1289342 in Ubuntu Reminders app "[desktop] When running the application without an evernote account, the warning is only given on the terminal window" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1289342
[17:12] <davmor2> mzanetti: that is swiping it out of the way to close it, if that makes sense
[17:12] <elopio> popey: so fixed but not released to the store?
[17:13] <dpm> elopio, I thought the version from trunk would ask you to create an account if none is set up?
[17:13] <dpm> are you testing from there or from the store?
[17:13] <elopio> dpm: this time, from the store.
[17:13] <popey> correct elopio
[17:13] <elopio> I'll provision it with click buddy.
[17:13] <elopio> thanks.
[17:14] <dpm> ok, great
[17:14] <popey> dpm: any reason we shouldn't bump the store version to latest trunk?
[17:14] <popey> and/or mzanetti ^
[17:14] <dpm> popey, I can't think of any reason why we shouldn't update the store
[17:14] <mzanetti> popey: hmm... its not going to be worse. the bad bug should be visible with both.
[17:15] <dpm> yeah
[17:15] <mzanetti> we had some fixes in the meantime, yes.
[17:15] <popey> ok, I'll do the necessary and get it updated
[17:15] <dpm> thanks popey
[17:15] <popey> thanks
[17:15] <dpm> and now I need to run, see you all tomorrow!
[17:15] <mzanetti> o/
[19:59] <justcarakas> where can I find the form for the ubuntu-app-showdown ?
[20:07] <t1mp> justcarakas: http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/ there is an "App Showdown Form" link under (1)
[20:09] <justcarakas> thanks wasn't there yet when I looked earlyer today
[21:43] <mihir> popey, ping !!
[21:43] <mihir> popey, around ?
[21:50] <popey> yo ☻
[21:51] <popey> I'm around ☻
[21:52] <mihir> popey, okay :) just in few more mins
[21:54] <popey> ☻
[21:55] <AskUbuntu> Cannot import directory path to qmlscene | http://askubuntu.com/q/443070
[21:56] <popey> mihir: got my eye on the channel, no worries :D
[21:56] <mihir> popey, thanks a lot.
[22:44] <gerlowskija> Dumb question: How do I import music on the Music App?
[22:46] <popey> gerlowskija: plug it into a computer via usb and drag music to the Music folder
[22:47] <popey> not dumb, you're not the first to ask that question!
[22:47] <gerlowskija> I'm running on my desktop..should it just be reading out of the ~/Music folder there too?
[22:48] <gerlowskija> and it's dumb that I couldn't find where-ever previous people asked ;-p
[22:49] <popey> heh
[22:49] <popey> yeah, it looks in ~/Music and you need to have mediascanner running
[22:50] <popey> which populates the database
[22:50] <popey> sorry, I assumed you were using a mobile device
[22:55] <gerlowskija> I wish..working on getting a phone to test soon.  Thanks popey!
[23:03] <israel>  Is there any Ubuntu specific documentation for gestures?  Do any of the Ubuntu elements already include gesture support?  Or Do I need a specific GestureArea{} & import?  Is there any sort of documentation about this issue yet?
[23:03] <israel> This is of course QML ubuntu touch specific.  I have already asked on #ubuntu-touch
[23:55] <israel>  Is there any Ubuntu specific documentation for gestures?  Do any of the Ubuntu elements already include gesture support?  Or Do I need a specific GestureArea{} & import?  Is there any sort of documentation about this issue yet?