[03:55] <effie_jayx> @dice 5
[03:55] <Ubugtu>
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> !-love
[04:27] <ubotu> love has no aliases - added by Amaranth on 2006-10-14 07:45:34
[04:27] <Amaranth> Change it and I stab. :)
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: ^^, although it's existed even longer in other forms I think
[04:28] <Madpilot> heh
[04:28] <Amaranth> It was around before, I put it back in when I noticed it missing
[04:28] <Madpilot> Amaranth, ice weasels? Ok...
[04:28] <Amaranth> I think Seveas added it
[04:28] <Amaranth> Madpilot: matt groening
[04:28] <Amaranth> and the source of 'iceweasel'
[04:28] <Madpilot> Simpsons or Futurama?
[04:29] <Amaranth> Neither
[04:29] <Amaranth> Letter to someone
[04:29] <Amaranth> iirc
[04:29] <Amaranth> check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel
[04:32] <Madpilot> "attributed by Matt Groening to Friedrich Nietzsche"... right
[04:33] <Amaranth> oh, whoops
[04:33] <Amaranth> the original said it was groening saying it
[04:33] <Amaranth> :)
[04:33] <Amaranth> so who knows
[04:33] <Amaranth> bleh, you misquote
[04:33] <Amaranth> the word before what you quoted is very important
[04:44] <Madpilot> fictionally, yes - more amusing when I misquote it :)
[06:19] <Madpilot> wonder how long that script SkidMark was pasting was, anyway??
[06:33] <mneptok> !tor > lonelystar
[06:41] <nalioth> i think that ubotu or someones client can be configured to /msg the proxy info to folks when they join
[06:41] <nalioth> this is getting WAY spam-o-rific
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> that'd be good
[06:45] <mneptok> i could have done that via /query i s'pose
[06:51] <Jucato> what's the factoid about tor again?
[06:51] <nalioth> Jucato: /msg ubotu tor
[06:51] <Jucato> er I meant about why tor users are banned from #ubuntu?
[06:52] <Jucato> ah !proxy thanks :)
[06:53] <Madpilot> Jucato, the short answer is "Tor = spam".
[06:54] <Jucato> ah :)
[06:54] <Madpilot> at least on #ubuntu...
[07:00] <mneptok> teenagers + internet + total anonymity = infocalypse
[07:01] <GazzaK> tsk... teenagers,
[07:13] <mneptok> Please don't turn me off, I don't know what I'm doing outside. Me and the telephone that never rings; if you were me, what would you do? Me?  Insanity continues...
[08:29] <Jucato> Hobbsee: good thing we don't have room in the Kubuntu CD for it? :P
[08:29] <elkbuntu> Jucato, you guys have kwin dont youse?
[08:29] <Jucato> yep.
[08:30] <Jucato> but if you meant kwin_compose, that will still be in kde4
[08:30] <elkbuntu> ah
[08:33] <Madpilot> anyone else get the impression that Ubuntu is pushing some fairly unstable/unusable stuff sometimes? Compiz/beryl, gstreamer...
[08:33] <Myrtti> yes
[08:36] <Seveas> Madpilot, as long as they don't do that for an LTS release it's ok
[08:37] <Myrtti> I'm having difficulties with LTS kernels
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: exactly :P
[08:37] <Madpilot> Seveas, I guess, except that the (irritatingly not-entirely-functional) totem-gstreamer is still in Dapper...
[08:37] <Myrtti> last updated kernel did something with Centrino Duo wlan
[08:37] <Hobbsee> Madpilot: beryl.  is.  not.  in.  ubuntu.
[08:37] <Seveas> Hobbsee, compiz is
[08:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: true.  but that's not so utterly crackful, is it?
[08:38] <Seveas> slightly less
[08:38] <Myrtti> rhythmbox also sucks
[08:38] <mneptok> Seveas: what is in the water in The Hague?
[08:39] <Seveas> mneptok, it's wet...
[08:39] <mneptok> http://googlesightseeing.com/2007/03/02/invasion-of-the-giant-seals/
[08:42] <Seveas>  Mez is on the air
[08:42] <Mez|OnAir> Seveas :D indeed :D
[08:42] <Mez|OnAir> to play
[08:42] <GazzaK> are you?  where?
[08:42] <Mez|OnAir> I havent planned this playlist at all
[08:42] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK - http://www.gamerpowered.com/listen.pls
[08:42] <Mez|OnAir> open that up with your preferred media player
[08:43] <mneptok> RELEASE THE BATS!
[08:44] <GazzaK> can ya play some madonna :-)
[08:44] <Mez|OnAir> dont have any
[08:44] <Mez|OnAir> might have some remixes :D
[08:44] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK, I'm mainly rok etc
[08:45] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok, thanks for that favour the other week :D
[08:45] <Mez|OnAir> (hehe)
[08:45] <Mez|OnAir> any requests today mneptok?
[08:45] <GazzaK> linkin park's good
[08:45] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK cool
[08:46] <GazzaK> blink 182, in the end?
[08:46] <Mez|OnAir> am playing now :P
[08:46] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK only linkin park in the end
[08:46] <Mez|OnAir> though i don have some blink
[08:46] <GazzaK> erm, that might be the one then :p
[08:47] <GazzaK> arghhh, I've been awake since 4:45am this morning, feel rubbish
[08:49] <GazzaK> owww, sexy voice :_
[08:49] <GazzaK> :) even
[08:50] <mneptok> Mez|OnAir: can you DCC me some tobacco?
[08:51] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, BOO
[08:52] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK BOO ?
[08:52] <GazzaK> supposed to go "arghhhhh" on the radio :-)
[09:02] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK now behave
[09:03] <mneptok> got "Ed Is Dead" by Pixies?
[09:06] <GazzaK> wow look at that, shiny.... ---->
[09:07] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok I got anything on bossonova or surfer rosa
[09:07] <Mez|OnAir> :P
[09:07] <mneptok> "Ed Is Dead" = Come On Pilgrim
[09:08] <Mez|OnAir> then i dont have it
[09:11] <mneptok> http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/mp3s.txt (not entirely current)
[09:11] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok I know
[09:18] <Mez|OnAir> 0oh god that talkover was sooooo bad
[09:19] <GazzaK> yep, did I get a mention?
[09:19] <GazzaK> it's not exactly clear :(
[09:19] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK yes ... :P
[09:19] <Mez|OnAir> what you mean, not clear?
[09:19] <GazzaK> I can hardly make out your voice
[09:19] <GazzaK> what did you say?
[09:19] <Mez|OnAir> :(
[09:19] <Mez|OnAir> really?
[09:20] <Mez|OnAir> :(
[09:20] <GazzaK> yeah, I can't describe it really, just the vocals are a bit erm, difficult to make out words, like the mic is not picking things up too well
[09:20] <Mez|OnAir> hmmles
[09:20] <Mez|OnAir> I'll try sort that
[09:21] <GazzaK> I cannot have it too loud, so it might be my fault
[09:21] <Mez|OnAir> I'll have a look over all the VUs in the next TO
[09:31] <GazzaK> suppose it don't help that you mumble about :p
[09:32] <GazzaK> don't drink and do radio...
[09:32] <GazzaK> haha
[09:33] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, any U2?
[09:33] <Jucato> waaah i missed the show?!? :(
[09:33] <GazzaK> Jucato, http://www.gamerpowered.com/listen.pls
[09:33] <Jucato> yeah I'm there :)
[09:34] <Jucato> oooh there's the sexy voice gain lol :D
[09:34] <Mez|OnAir> lol
[09:34] <GazzaK> a bit clearer, but the loud bits distort still
[09:35] <Mez|OnAir> my gate settings probably
[09:36] <Mez|OnAir> meh
[09:36] <Mez|OnAir> I'm using a dodgy mic  ause i cant find my decent one :D
[09:36] <nalioth> Mez|OnAir: just do it in morse code
[09:37] <Mez|OnAir> nalioth nice idea
[09:37] <Jucato> beep beep beep bleeeeep beep beep :)
[09:37] <GazzaK> sing it
[09:38] <Mez|OnAir> Jucato any requests?
[09:39] <Jucato> none for today. just gonna enjoy listening :)
[09:42] <mneptok> play that sog by that guy that goes dunh dunh dunh DUHN DUHN duhn duhn DUHN DUHN DUHN
[09:43] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok LMAO :D
[09:43] <Mez|OnAir> ok, no problem
[09:45] <Mez|OnAir> beuno vlc, amarok, kaffeine
[09:45] <mneptok> beuno: Rythmbox?
[09:45] <GazzaK> beuno, rythmbox
[09:45] <GazzaK> eek
[09:45] <GazzaK> mneptok, :p
[09:46] <beuno> I'm there  (tried it as a podcast, works as a radio)
[09:46] <beuno> :D
[09:47] <Jucato> lol @ mneptok
[09:47] <Jucato> :)
[09:47] <GazzaK> haha
[09:47] <beuno> hahah
[09:47] <beuno> I think he meant "hit me baby one more time"
[09:47] <GazzaK> can you play that one which goes "boo bop dee laaa woo"
[09:47] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok was I even close?
[09:49] <mneptok> Mez|OnAir: sorry, not tuned in.
[09:49] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok Metallica- sad but true
[09:50] <Jucato> aw... :(
[09:50] <Mez|OnAir> Jucato ?
[09:51] <Jucato> sorry wrong window :)
[09:51] <mneptok> Jucato's drunk again. i think he's burning things.
[09:51] <mneptok> sorry, wrong window.
[09:51] <Jucato> heh lol
[09:52] <GazzaK> I am so not doing that with a cane to your mother, it's wrong okay
[09:52] <GazzaK> sorry wrong window (getting old now eh)
[09:57] <mneptok> by Hayseed Dixie?
[09:57] <mneptok> (great cover)
[09:57] <beuno> I'd love to hear a cover!
[10:04] <beuno> be-un-no
[10:04] <beuno> bueno != beuno
[10:04] <beuno> yes  :D
[10:04] <Jucato> lol
[10:04] <Mez|OnAir> I apologse
[10:05] <beuno> no biggie!
[10:05] <mneptok> Mez|OnAir: got that tune downloaded?
[10:06] <GazzaK> can you play the "every sperm is sacred" song from monty python :-) hehe
[10:08] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok trying...
[10:09] <Mez|OnAir> mneptok have now
[10:16] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK you listening in ?
[10:23] <Mez|OnAir> I apologise for the rambling there guys
[10:25] <GazzaK> I missed that bit, was afk
[10:25] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK, aw :D
[10:25] <Mez|OnAir> it was amusing
[10:25] <GazzaK> what did you say
[10:25] <Mez|OnAir> hard to explain
[10:25] <Mez|OnAir> lol
[10:25] <Mez|OnAir> I'll release the podcast later
[10:26] <Mez|OnAir> beuno - up after next talk break
[10:26] <GazzaK> I like this one \o/
[10:30] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK...
[10:31] <GazzaK> I like her mates, the cute boy is fab
[10:35] <Mez|OnAir> beuno, next is TO then your request
[10:35] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK, make sure you're still tuned in in ... 20 mins ish
[10:35] <beuno> you just want to keep me hooked on there  :p
[10:36] <Mez|OnAir> beuno, lol - it's coming up after the talkover :D
[10:36] <GazzaK> in 20 mins... eeek
[10:36] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK ;)
[10:36] <Mez|OnAir> I have a surprise for you
[10:37] <GazzaK> really
[10:37] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK indeed :D
[10:37] <GazzaK> not the monty python song is it :-)
[10:39] <beuno> oh yeah!
[10:40] <GazzaK> arghhhh my name arghhh
[10:41] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, " ... poking yer puppies"
[10:42] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, Gary.... :p
[10:42] <Mez|OnAir> has to be something gaming related really
[10:42] <Mez|OnAir> Mr Kearley :D
[10:42] <GazzaK> arghhhhh where did ya get that from?
[10:42] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK did you not hear that on air ?
[10:42] <GazzaK> yes
[10:43] <Mez|OnAir> haha
[10:43] <Mez|OnAir> I have my sources... I'm a very resourceful person
[10:43] <GazzaK> thats an abuse of privileges
[10:43] <GazzaK> :p
[10:43] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK, nope, publically available :D
[10:44] <Mez|OnAir> you just need to know where to look
[10:45] <beuno> great cover mneptok, thanks both  :)
[10:45] <Mez|OnAir> wait for the breief talkover
[10:45] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, google is good eh
[10:46] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK see /msg
[10:46] <GazzaK> no wurzles :'(
[10:46] <popey> oi!
[10:47] <popey> popey
[10:47] <popey>      ^ look, no "e"
[10:47] <Mez|OnAir> ..e
[10:47] <popey> :p
[10:47] <popey> heh
[10:48] <OliveOil> Save me popey, save me!
[10:53] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, arghhh
[10:54] <GazzaK> haha,
[10:54] <GazzaK> sexy voice Mez|OnAir
[10:55] <GazzaK> president popey hahaha \o/
[10:55] <GazzaK> sing it yourself Mez
[10:55] <apokryphos> Mez|OnAir: hey!
[10:56] <GazzaK> apokryphos, sorry for making this channel very offtopic
[10:56] <Mez|OnAir> hey apokryphos, hows things /
[10:57] <apokryphos> Mez|OnAir: finally caught you ;). Yeah, they're good. You're on air? :O
[10:57] <Mez|OnAir> yeah
[10:57] <GazzaK> lol, OMG, this is so non PC
[10:57] <Mez|OnAir> http://www.gamerpowered.com/listen.pls
[10:57] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK luckily we're rated R :D
[10:58] <GazzaK> brb, need to try something, still listening...
[10:59] <GazzaK> thats better
[11:00] <Mez|OnAir> GazzaK :D
[11:01] <Mez|OnAir> apokryphos, so hows things
[11:01] <mneptok> women want me. men want to *be* me.
[11:01] <Mez|OnAir> I didnt scare you too much did I ?
[11:01] <apokryphos> Mez|OnAir: yeah, pretty good
[11:01] <GazzaK> yes
[11:01] <apokryphos> scare me? ;)
[11:01] <Mez|OnAir> softy ?
[11:02] <apokryphos> yah 8)
[11:02] <Mez|OnAir> :(
[11:02] <apokryphos> Mez|OnAir: that's a good thing :P
[11:03] <apokryphos> how did the launch go?
[11:03] <nalioth> y'all woke up apokryphos
[11:03] <apokryphos> I was enjoying a very wonderful sleep before, yes ;)
[11:04] <Mez|OnAir> went well
[11:04] <Mez|OnAir> HE MAN!!!!
[11:04] <apokryphos> I am on a good real-life meeting run: two Ubuntu ops in two weeks 8) nalioth: you're next!
[11:04] <apokryphos> cool
[11:05] <Mez|OnAir> apokryphos who was the other?
[11:05] <apokryphos> Seveas
[11:05] <nalioth> apokryphos: i'm what?
[11:05] <apokryphos> nalioth: in danger
[11:05] <Mez|OnAir> apokryphos, I'm also the backports guy and stuff
[11:05] <apokryphos> yeah, I know
[11:06] <apokryphos> katapult developer extraordinaire =)
[11:09] <GazzaK> Mez|OnAir, play some U2 :-)
[11:11] <GazzaK> boo hoo
[11:11] <Mez|OnAir> 3 doors down or 5 amp fuse
[11:11] <GazzaK> any dance/trance?
[11:12] <Mez|OnAir> not much
[11:13] <kenthomson> Seveas?
[11:29] <GazzaK> yay, thanks Mez|OnAir
[11:30] <Mez|OnAir> :)
[11:30] <Mez|OnAir> so anyone want me to stay
[11:30] <Mez|OnAir> you've got till the end of this track
[11:31] <elkbuntu> hmm... im not listening. try 'tiptoe through the tulips' by Tiny Tim
[11:31] <Mez|OnAir> lol
[11:32] <Mez|OnAir> i'e got till the end of this track for people to persuade me to saty on
[11:32] <nalioth> play the Barney theme song for elkbuntu
[11:33] <elkbuntu> Mez|OnAir, nalioth wants to listen to 'the song that never ends'
[11:34] <GazzaK> any other "James" tracks?
[11:34] <GazzaK> or "charltons"
[11:34] <GazzaK> or go to bed and dream of me :-)
[11:43] <GazzaK> very nice Mez
[11:43] <GazzaK> you nutter :D
[11:45] <Mez> ty :D
[11:46] <Mez> apparently I have a fan :D
[11:46] <popey> Light! Damn you, Light!
[11:47] <Mez> lol
[11:47] <Mez> lol
[11:48] <popey> Burn baby burn
[11:48] <elkbuntu> eep
 fair enough... you lookin at doing that big block on thurs?
 probs
 hmmm... gonna have to plan an extra long patch of gaming for that night i think
[11:48] <popey>  \o/
[11:48] <popey>  ( ).oO( PARP! )
[11:48] <popey>  |'|
 hehe
 just for me ?
[11:49] <Mez> * RavenNZ nods
[11:58] <nalioth> grEEky is neoxan
[11:58] <Hobbsee> nalioth: going to kline or something then?
[12:03] <GazzaK> grEEky is in a few of my channels too
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hey Vorian
[12:03] <Vorian> hola Hobbsee :)
[12:04] <Vorian> and GazzaK :P
[12:04] <GazzaK> hey Vorian
[12:05] <GazzaK> why do they have to take ages to give you ammo to kick em
[12:06] <Hobbsee> if it's a known troll, kick em anyway.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> as soon as they start.
[12:07] <GazzaK> damnit, just kick it, then I can do the same... :-)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:08] <Vorian> lol
[12:08] <elkbuntu> get him out of #ubuntu now, before he starts?
[12:08] <Vorian> nick?
[12:08] <GazzaK> I decided that if anyone gets a ban in your channels, i'll follow suit in mine...
[12:09] <elkbuntu> Vorian, GrEEky
[12:09] <nalioth> GazzaK: that is not really a good way to go, imho
[12:09] <Vorian> ty elkbuntu :)
[12:09] <elkbuntu> er grEEky
[12:10] <Vorian> all my my channels are clear of grEEky, heh :P
[12:11] <GazzaK> nalioth, well within reason.
[12:12] <GazzaK> nalioth, it's not like we get many trolls in #gaygeeks who are also in #ubuntu*
[12:15] <nalioth> i was called into #gaygeeks for troll troubles t'other day
[12:16] <GazzaK> nalioth, yeah, by me, the channel owner gave me op powas due to it
[12:16] <GazzaK> thanks
[12:17] <GazzaK> and we also added freenode/staff/*
[12:17] <mc44> oh dear GazzaK with op powah. The world is no longer safe
[12:17] <GazzaK> mc44, shh
[12:54] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, what_if said: ubotu: arts is off, arts is crap
[01:00] <popey> does ubotu spot swearing or something?
[01:01] <nalioth> popey: ubotu listens when you talk to him
[01:04] <popey> just wondered why it said something here
[01:04] <popey> given nobody spoke to it here
[01:05] <apokryphos> he relays factoid-adding attempts into here
[01:05] <nalioth> because the old ubotu let ANYbody add factoids
[01:05] <nalioth> and we had some lulus
[01:10] <popey> hehe@lulus
[01:13] <elkbuntu> maybe i should have banned grEEky from #ubuntu when i thought of it
[01:14] <GazzaK> elkbuntu, was that a real k-line?
[01:14] <apokryphos> ok, /me -> library
[01:14] <nalioth> GazzaK: yes, it was.
[01:14] <nalioth> GazzaK: but don't worry, he'll be back
[01:15] <GazzaK> thats a shame
[01:15] <nalioth> yes, it is.
[01:16] <elkbuntu> nalioth, where else did they hit?
[01:16] <nalioth> elkbuntu: #kubuntu a little bit (the klines were going into effect then)
[01:17] <elkbuntu> what about -de?
[01:17] <nalioth> i'm not in -de
[01:17] <elkbuntu> they used to be a neoxan haunt, right?
[02:14] <beuno> any #ubuntu-es ops around?
[02:14] <beuno> getting a few bishaving users (random insults)
[02:18] <beuno> Seveas: can you help out?  channel is a mess and I can't get a hold of pochu
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> beuno, at a pinch grab a staffer
[02:21] <beuno> Kamping_Kaiser: where can I find them?
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> beuno, type /quote stats p
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> it lists active staffers, just pm them
[02:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> (only dificulty you may have is a reluctance to ban if they dont speak -es)
[02:23] <beuno> thanks Kamping_Kaiser!
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> beuno, np
[03:34] <GazzaK> FYI - * krawallequalle<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #gaygeeks
[03:34] <GazzaK> nalioth, just for your info
[03:41] <GazzaK> mc44, you naughty boy
[03:41] <mc44> GazzaK: wot? i didn do nuffin guvnor
[03:42] <GazzaK> when you feel able to come out the closet mc44 :p
[03:42] <mc44> haha
[03:49] <PriceChild> GazzaK, hmm?
[03:49] <GazzaK> hmm?
[03:49] <PriceChild> Nevermind
[03:49] <GazzaK> it has hardly said a word yet, but thought i'd let the ops here know
[03:52] <mc44> PriceChild: ooh dont let GazzaK think youre confused, he'll try and convert you
[03:53] <GazzaK> no mc44 thats just you
[03:53] <GazzaK> get back in that closet
[03:53] <PriceChild> GazzaK, I think he just started...?
[03:54] <GazzaK> PriceChild, where?
[03:54] <GazzaK> :-)
[03:59] <SportChick> he's on #ubuntu+1 and #ubuntu now too
[04:01] <gnomefreak> whats the nick?
[04:01] <PriceChild> * krawallequalle<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu+1
[04:01] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:02] <GazzaK> for some reason, chatting nice in #gaygeeks now???
[04:02] <gnomefreak> me too :) but hes not saying anything or doing anything yet
[04:02] <PriceChild> He's gone
[04:03] <GazzaK> yep, weird
[04:03] <gnomefreak> good
[04:03] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:04] <gnomefreak> anyone know if apt takes wildcards?
[04:04] <PriceChild> yes
[04:04] <PriceChild> I do sudo apt-get remove beryl* libberyl* etc. every so often :)
[04:04] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: like apt-get install *-dev?
[04:04] <gnomefreak> or only back end?
[04:05] <PriceChild> Nope
[04:05] <PriceChild> Invalid preceding regular expression
[04:05] <gnomefreak> how the hell am i to get all the -dev packages than :(
[04:05] <PriceChild> Why do you need them?
[04:06] <gnomefreak> retraces
[04:06] <gnomefreak> they hold .so symlinks that appport is complaining about
[04:06] <gnomefreak> -p
[04:07] <gnomefreak> i guess its time to learn more advanced bash :)
[04:07] <PriceChild> !proxy > nethermit (Please see the pm from ubotu)
[04:07] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, how about searching for all packages including "-dev" then manipulating the list to get one big list of packages to install? :P
[04:07] <nethermit> pm?
[04:08] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: will try ty
[04:08] <PriceChild> nethermit, ubotu should have just pm'd you
[04:08] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, i just noticed you can't do "apt-cache search -dev" cuz it tries a -d option :P
[04:08] <PriceChild> nethermit, "personal message" sorry
[04:08] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[04:09] <nethermit> i'm here to find out if my pc can run on Ubuntu
[04:09] <nethermit> i need to format my desktop. after that, can Ubuntu install and run on it.../
[04:10] <nethermit> any advice?
[04:10] <PriceChild> nethermit, This isn't #ubuntu. You may want to get a "Desktop" cd which will run on your computer without altering your hard drive. This means you can test hardware without making any changes.
[04:11] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, synaptic lets you search for "-dev" in just the name... although i noticed it caught a -dev-el
[04:12] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: i hav eto work on it later im screwing around with greasemonkey atm maybe it will help get work done :)
[04:12] <PriceChild> Hehe ok :)
[04:12] <GazzaK> " * [krawallequalle]  (n=kekekeke@h1209896.stratoserver.net): LOL THIS IS ME LOL "  is back in #ubuntu-de #ubuntu #ubuntu+1
[04:12] <nethermit> i'm downloading the ubuntu .iso
[04:13] <SportChick> yep, and so am I GazzaK :)
[04:13] <nethermit> will burn to CD . can it do a clean install... that's what i'm worried about. i'm a nooB
[04:13] <GazzaK> i'll go back to sleep then SportChick
[04:13] <SportChick> GazzaK: hehe
[05:22] <LjL> ikonia: you can put people on ignore without announcing it with fanfares...
[05:23] <apokryphos> ikonia: !ops is also only to be used in emergencies really. If it's aproblem with a user it's best to contact an operator, in here for example.
[06:33] <PriceChild> mc44, you should change your quit message to "Exit stage left,....." :P
[06:35] <mc44> PriceChild: pff if you want to rewrite Shakespeare be my guest :p
[06:35] <PriceChild> rewrite? I thought that was the original line :)
[06:36] <mc44> PriceChild: not according to http://shakespeare.mit.edu/winters_tale/full.html :p
[06:36] <PriceChild> hehe ok sorry :)
[06:38] <mc44> hey its public domain.


[01:38] <nshare> register m2nk3y!
[01:38] <matti> Oh dear.
[01:38] <nshare> jk
[01:39] <matti> ;p
[01:39] <nshare> maybe :P
[01:41] <hggdh> er, what?
[02:26]  * greg-g doesn't understand the scrollback sometimes :)
[05:10] <DrManhattan> what's the deal with the intel video driver? The performance is horrible compared to fedora 12
[05:14] <dtchen> can you be more specific?
[05:14]  * micahg loves the new intel driver in Karmic
[05:17] <DrManhattan> 3d performance is really slow, 3d screensavers are slow and choppy, glxgears gives 1/6 the framerate it does in fecora 12
[05:17] <DrManhattan> fedora I mean
[05:18] <DrManhattan> its a gmax3100
[05:18] <micahg> DrManhattan: are you running karmic with 2.6.31?
[05:19] <DrManhattan> i was
[05:20] <DrManhattan> it was whatever the latest kernel was available through the standard updates.
[05:24] <dtchen> well, for starters, it looks like F12 shipped with xserver-xorg-intel 2.9.1
[05:24] <micahg> DrManhattan: idk, there haven't been any updates since release
[05:24] <dtchen> Karmic shipped with 2.9.0
[05:24] <dtchen> (crikey, http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-12 is massive)
[05:24] <DrManhattan> there most certainly has. The kernel that 9.10 shipped with gets updated.
[05:26] <micahg> DrManhattan: you can get 2.9.1 from the xorg ppa, https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/drivers-only
[05:30] <DrManhattan> im having issues figuring out how to download fron that site
[05:32] <DrManhattan> never mind, sorry
[06:51] <DrManhattan> How can I install the gl screensavers from xscreensaver into the regular gnome screensaver package?
[06:57] <DrManhattan> fedora has xscreensaver-gl-extras-gss - whats the ubuntu equivalent
[07:12] <persia> DrManhattan: Perhaps xscreensaver-gl-extra?  You might fiddle with apt-file and the files included in the fedora package.
[07:13] <DrManhattan> um, nope. I just use xscreensaver instand of gnome-screensaver as my system screensaver
[07:13] <DrManhattan> thanks though
[07:15] <persia> DrManhattan: well, the default if gnome-screensaver.  If there's some bug that exists that is fixed in Fedora's xscreensaver-gl-extras-gss, it's worth using apt-file to figure out where is goes.
[07:17] <DrManhattan> Thank you.
[07:26] <thekorn> good morning bugsquad
[15:30] <bddebian> Boo
[15:36] <mrand> boo who?
[15:39] <bddebian> Don't cry :)
[19:11] <planktum_> please need some advice on how to deal with this bug that got me stuck:
[19:11] <planktum_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-initramfs/+bug/453476
[19:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 453476 in live-initramfs "package live-initramfs (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf.d/compcache', which is also in package casper 0:1.204" [Undecided,New]
[19:13]  * planktum_ guessing there will be no help here as in #ubuntu
[19:13] <planktum_> :S
[19:55] <nperry> Where are openoffice crash logs
[20:06] <hggdh> if they were created (which is to say, apport is active), they will be under /var/crash
[20:07] <nperry> No there isnt
[20:07] <hggdh> so apport is inactive...
[20:08] <nperry> sudo service apport start force_start=1 will do?
[20:09] <micahg> nperry: only is -proposed is enabled in karmic at the moment
[20:09] <micahg> *if
[20:11] <nperry> Odd, its not reporting a crash
[20:11] <nperry> bug 496245
[20:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 496245 in openoffice.org "openoffice 3.1.1 linux crashes after copy/paste of text from googlemail including the from-line" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496245
[20:12] <nperry> I've posted upstream, just i reckon require a log before can be triaged.
[20:21] <hggdh> micahg: what do you think of bug 233990 ?
[20:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 233990 in thunderbird "Thunderbird's mdn (receipt) message may contain 822bis-violating bare lf which is rejected by Qmail" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/233990
[20:21] <micahg> hggdh: ugh, needs a more in depth look than I can do right now
[20:22] <micahg> hggdh: ping me in 6 hours or so :)
[20:22] <hggdh> this guy is as rude as Bernstein usually is, but lacks DJ's knowledge...
[20:22] <hggdh> will do, micahg
[20:34] <nperry> hggdh: I agree rude!
[20:34] <nperry> I would have left it, by his 4th comment
[20:40] <nigel_nb> hggdh: hey :)
[20:40] <nigel_nb> that qmail guy got even more ruder, wow
[21:00] <awardle> If there is a bug mentioning a translation error and the correct translation is as a suggestion in the translation section, what should you set the status to?
[21:16] <awardle>  If there is a bug mentioning a translation error and the correct translation is as a suggestion in the translation section, what should you set the status to?
[21:36] <hggdh> nigel_nb: par for the game, I was looking at other bugs from him, usually the same behaviour
[21:36] <nigel_nb> hggdh: its insulting :(
[21:37] <hggdh> yes, it is. You just keep on... which I have been trying, but...


[02:42] <bent-stack> Hey I've read all the documentation, Knowledge base info and read all the articles on Triage, can i just dive in and give it a go, or should I have someone walk me through a few to make sure I get it right? I have a technical background - so should be ok with detail.
[03:29] <hggdh> bent-stack: yes, you can just dive in -- and ask here when in doubt
[03:34] <bent-stack> OK - ta
[09:35] <kai> hi folks
[09:36] <kai> I'm tracking a bug an ubuntu user reported in the samba bugzilla, but I can only reproduce this bug using the binary package from ubuntu
[09:36] <kai> does it make sense to file that with launchpad, or will that just result in someone filing another upstream bug anyway?
[09:37] <kai> I'm trying to figure out what's broken there, but the samba-dbg package doesn't seem to supply the debug symbols I need
[12:28] <hggdh> kai: please file in LP, if you do not mind; please also include a reference to bugzilla, and state it does not happen with upstream code.
[12:28] <hggdh> kai: and thank you
[15:18] <dlentz> please mark bug 1015325 Triaged/Wishlist (it's been confirmed and checked for dupes on lp and debian bugtrakcer)
[15:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1015325 in abuse-sdl "abuse-sdl could depend/recommend on abuse-sfx instead of suggest it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015325
[15:19] <hggdh> dlentz: done, and sorry for butchering your nick in the bug
[15:20] <hggdh> (dlenz instead of dlentz)
[15:21] <dlentz> hggdh, tpyo's happen (thanks)
[15:21] <hggdh> heh
[15:25] <hggdh> dlentz: was it also reported on Debian?
[15:25] <dlentz> no, should i report it there?
[15:25] <hggdh> dlentz: yes, please (and then add the Debian bug in ours)
[15:26] <hggdh> dlentz: please refer to the LP bug in the Debian one (like 'original bug: https://bugs/launchpad.net/1015325')
[15:26] <hggdh> so that we will have links both ways
[15:32] <dlentz> hggdh, i see that abuse-sfx is in multiverse (marked non-free in debian) and abuse is a universe package, so i guess that is the issue?
[15:44] <hggdh> dlentz: ah, most probably. We cannot depend on multiverse
[15:44] <hggdh> free packages cannot depend on non-free ones
[15:48] <dlentz> ok, i noted that, but i left it open
[15:49] <hggdh> that's OK, at least some more visible warning could be stated
[15:54] <hggdh> dlentz: I added a 'also affects distribution' for the Debian bug you opened, and I guess we are done there. Thank you again.
[17:52] <CarlFK> meta bug: broken images on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:52] <TheLordOfTime> its just you
[17:52] <TheLordOfTime> its working on my end
[17:52]  * TheLordOfTime keeps no cache either
[17:52] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=process-data2.png  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[17:52] <CarlFK> not all of them - but at least 2
[17:52] <TheLordOfTime> still working for me
[17:53] <CarlFK> huh
[17:53] <TheLordOfTime> clear your cache and try again
[17:54] <CarlFK> huh, just reloading fixed it
[17:54] <TheLordOfTime> there you go
[18:39] <yofel> could someone set the importance on bug 1015616 please? I suggest Critical, but I filed it. It made dpkg unusable until I fixed the status file by hand.
[18:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1015616 in dpkg "dpkg fails with status parsing error after upgrade to dpkg 1.16.3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1015616
[19:14] <AlexzAK> Hi! Could some one check out my bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/readline6/+bug/1015744
[19:14] <AlexzAK> I have patch applied. Please help me to test it
[19:14] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1015744 in readline6 "Bash history navigation keys should be enabled in the config" [Undecided,New]
[19:15] <AlexzAK> *patch is attached to the bug
[19:17] <LuiX> hi! what could make the enhanced zoom functionality to suddenly stop working? my keyboard shortcut is ctrl + alt + mousewheel (b4 and b5)?
[19:37] <yofel> nvm, dup


[02:31] <astroo-> Internet privacy as important as human rights, says UN's Navi Pillay  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/26/un-navi-pillay-internet-privacy
[04:19] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[22:02] <astroo-> ola pessoal


[02:06] <smoser> blackboxsw: ah. yeah, that we shoudl get there... as you can see it just called util.json_dumps
[06:35] <braincode> Hello cloud-init! If I drop a script under /var/lib/scripts/per-boot ... is it right to assume that by the time cloud-init picks up on it the instance/machine I'm running on will have networking up?
[06:35] <braincode> It's not entirely clear to me when reading https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/boot.html :-S
[07:15] <braincode> @powersj, great blogposts about cloud-init, btw! ;)
[15:20] <blackboxsw> agreed, good work powersj.
[15:21] <powersj> thanks :)
[18:38] <smoser> blackboxsw: i'm going to set 'approved' on azure-network-per-boot
[18:38] <smoser> ok?
[19:12] <smoser> blackboxsw: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/352921 ... review and approve there would be grand.
[19:12] <blackboxsw> will get that now
[20:01] <blackboxsw> powersj: is https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/admin-lp-git-autoland/ something we need to kick today (instead of automated trigger)
[20:01] <blackboxsw> smoser: and I both have cloud-init branches that are queued approved
[20:02] <powersj> blackboxsw, I disabled testing while deej and I were playing with the network settings
[20:02] <powersj> give me 20 to re-test things so we don't get silly failures
[20:02] <powersj> should be setup now for the weekend
[20:02] <smoser> ok. i was just about to ask that too
[20:02] <blackboxsw> gotcha sounds good
[20:02] <smoser> blackboxsw: i'd like a upload to cosmic today.
[20:02] <blackboxsw> should I unset approve on the cloud-init branches for 20?
[20:02] <blackboxsw> smoser: +1 me too
[20:02] <powersj> nah nothing will run
[20:02] <blackboxsw> ok leaving branches in approved state
[20:03] <smoser> i'm tempted ... really tempted to merge manually.
[20:03] <blackboxsw> will put up a cosmic MP 5 mins after they land
[20:03] <blackboxsw> smoser: your week is almost over.
[20:03] <blackboxsw> maybe it's best for these two so you don't have to hang around waiting on me
[20:03] <smoser> ok. ... we think review-mps should work, right ?
[20:03] <blackboxsw> we'll have more branches to autoland monday (removal of deprecated snap MPs, and jinja template hopefully)
[20:04] <blackboxsw> smoser: I think it should I'll do one test locally against my own repo
[20:11] <blackboxsw> smoser: looks good locally shall I
[20:11] <blackboxsw> ?
[20:11] <blackboxsw> review-mps rather
[20:14] <powersj> blackboxsw, I enabled testing
[20:14] <powersj> watching jobs notifications...
[20:15] <blackboxsw> you beat the manual response. L(
[20:15] <blackboxsw> :)
[20:15] <blackboxsw> so I won't touch review-mps then
[20:15] <powersj> yeah looks like there are 2 getting tested currently
[20:15] <blackboxsw> hopefully serially :)
[20:15] <blackboxsw> otherwise we risk a merge collision I suppose
[20:16] <powersj> test runs concurrently, lander is serially
[20:17] <blackboxsw> ahh I misunderstood. ok you are running lander tests on non-cloud-init public reviews
[20:17] <blackboxsw> ok
[20:18] <powersj> non-cloud-init?
[20:18] <blackboxsw> ok looks like those are only ~5 mins anyway
[20:18] <blackboxsw> ok
[20:18]  * powersj choose a bad week to make this change
[20:18] <blackboxsw> next week would be a bad week
[20:19] <powersj> yeah :\
[20:19] <blackboxsw> :)
[20:21] <blackboxsw> ok, just so smoser doesn't have to stay late I'll run review-mps on one branch now
[20:21] <powersj> will that land them?
[20:22] <powersj> blackboxsw, ^
[20:22] <blackboxsw> that'll land it in master
[20:22] <powersj> well... there are 2 branches almost done
[20:22] <powersj> let me see what is under test
[20:22] <blackboxsw> cancelled, the branch names are yours looked like
[20:22] <blackboxsw> I thought you were running 1-off tests
[20:23] <powersj> looks like scaleway?
[20:23] <powersj> 51f49dc1da0c045d01ddc977874c9bed70cb510f
[20:24] <blackboxsw> not a valid approved review
[20:24] <blackboxsw> we should be looking at just oracle or azure related branches
[20:24] <blackboxsw> so I thought you were doing a little test branch run
[20:24] <powersj> "<powersj> blackboxsw, I enabled testing"
[20:25] <powersj> DEBUG: Merging feature/azure-network-per-boot to master
[20:25] <powersj> that just landed
[20:25] <blackboxsw> yeah "testing" was vague in my interpretation... testing meant your own test branch runs, "enabled autolander" meant ci was going
[20:25] <blackboxsw> ahh
[20:25] <powersj> ah
[20:25] <powersj> DEBUG: Merging feature/oracle-datasource to master
[20:25] <powersj> that just landed
[20:25] <blackboxsw> ahh interesting, so the description on the given test run
[20:26] <blackboxsw> is tip of master, not the commit of the branch under test=...
[20:26] <blackboxsw> ok
[20:26] <blackboxsw> good, I had cancelled my local review-mps on the azure branch
[20:26] <powersj> ah yeah! that's because we checkout master and merge in the review
[20:26] <powersj> that is misleading :\
[20:26] <blackboxsw> yeah makes sense then
[20:26] <powersj> ok so cloud-init ci is good
[20:26] <powersj> now gotta go look at curtin
[20:26] <blackboxsw> excellent
[20:27] <powersj> also have an integration test running
[20:27] <powersj> now that I have ppa access again
[20:27] <blackboxsw> thanks, again powersj . ok I'm cutting a cosmic release branch
[20:27] <blackboxsw> for review
[20:32] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/353353 for cosmic release
[20:33] <blackboxsw> smoser: ^
[20:33]  * blackboxsw is running through a quick upgrade check on azure
[20:54] <blackboxsw> azure upgrade path good on cosmic MP
[20:56] <blackboxsw> minor pre-existing bug found with cloud-init status if someone uses the unsupported CLI path of 'sudo cloud-init init; cloud-init status --wait'. When running any of the stages on the cmdline directly after-boot, we delete /run/cloud-init/result.json   unless the stage run is modules-final... this break cloud-init status --wait into lying that  cloud-init is "running"
[21:10] <blackboxsw> minor bug we don't really have to address https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1787657
[21:12] <blackboxsw> ok CI approved cosmic branch
[21:12] <blackboxsw> will dput once there is a 2nd review on changes in https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/353353
[21:28] <smoser> blackboxsw: sorry, went into a python2.6 hole
[21:29] <blackboxsw> I believe it
[21:29] <blackboxsw> 'tis fine. I'm just working on the render subcommand (and a couple other tuneups for CLI)
[21:29] <powersj> blackboxsw, have a merge for cii fixes incoming
[21:30]  * blackboxsw ducks
[21:30] <powersj> heh
[21:30] <powersj> well it's that or lots of emails this weekend ;)
[21:30] <powersj> I guess those are easy to deal with
[21:30] <smoser> blackboxsw: i just approved that.
[21:30] <smoser> thanks for landin the others
[21:30] <blackboxsw> thanks auto-powers
[21:31] <smoser> blackboxsw: shoot
[21:32] <blackboxsw> smoser: listening?
[21:33] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gy2vWgQ8Mx/
[21:33] <smoser> that needs doing (and smoke testing) on the ubuntu/devel branch
[21:33] <smoser> best ifdone before you uplaod
[21:34] <blackboxsw> smoser: ahh right, pkg update
[21:36] <smoser> h
[21:36] <smoser> ok. i have to run
[21:37] <blackboxsw> will d
[21:37] <blackboxsw> do
[21:40] <blackboxsw> have a good one
[22:14] <powersj> blackboxsw, https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/353355 if you aren't still trying to get cosmic out
[22:31] <blackboxsw> powersj: just finished cosmic upload
[22:31] <powersj> sweet
[22:31] <blackboxsw> will look after curtin upload
[22:31] <blackboxsw> :)
[22:31] <powersj> thank you!
[22:31]  * blackboxsw adds another tab... this time to firefox
[22:32] <blackboxsw> I'm separating my abuse of browser tabs to avoid chrome memory throttling


[00:32] <jac1d> Fresh install of 14.04.1 just now.  Mobo with onboard Nvidia connected over HDMI to TV.  Chose to instal NVidia driver during setup and did not enable any TV out (as HDMI is just seen as a monitor, correct?) and when the system booed for the first time, I got a black screen with a cursor in the corner.  I used CTRL-F1 to get to the console and an doing an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to see if that resolves it.  Any other ideas?
[00:45] <jac1d> This hardware is about 5  years old and has onboard NVidia graphics.  I have a vauge recollection about an alternate/older NVIDIA driver, is that right?
[01:25] <Kwisher> what gpu?
[01:26] <Kwisher> i use a GeForce 8400 with no problems
[01:30] <jac1d> GeForce 9400 embedded on board
[01:30] <jac1d> Apparnetly a LOT of people have issues with this and something about setting the busid int he xorg.conf file may help but I can't find the fricking file
[01:34] <Kwisher> did you install the nvidia drivers?
[01:36] <jac1d> yes
[01:38] <Kwisher> can you connect a vga monitor?
[01:40] <Kwisher> does the tv have vga input?
[02:52] <jac1d> I'm ready to abandon mythbuntu entirely
[02:52] <jac1d> this is just absurd, it has worked just fine for 5 years on an earlier release
[02:52] <jac1d> and this is a disaster
[02:52] <jac1d> I got it working, following various threads on the net, adding busid information to the xorg file (why the heck is it missing?) and then I had to reboot and I'm back to black screen of death
[03:50] <qwebirc81794> Hello how do I install mythbuntu on an existing ubuntu installation without using the software center? I don't see a deb or repo link anywhere on the site
[03:58] <tgm4883> qwebirc81794: http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[03:58] <qwebirc18674> Sorry the chat froze that is exactly the link that is not working for me
[03:59] <qwebirc18674> it requires the Ubuntu Software Center be installed
[03:59] <qwebirc18674> I want to either download a deb file or add a repo to my sources.list and then install using apt-get
[05:01] <tgm4883> qwebirc18674: did you bother searching for it
[05:01] <tgm4883> in the repo
[05:06] <qwebirc18674> in what repo there is no link tgm4883
[05:07] <tgm4883> in the official repos. Install mythbuntu-control-centre via whatever method you normally install packages
[05:08] <qwebirc18674> ok thank you ... so where/how do I request that information get added to the downloads page? as I am sure I am not the first person to have had this question


[08:37] <gour> jelmer: ping
[08:42] <gour> jelmer: now is see the proble, original fossil repo has size of 418M, but it achieves extreme compression-ratio of 1612.1 and the artifact-sizes from its 'dbstat' cmd shows: 8,935,093,232 total, so when i do fast-export from fossil to git, the exported size is 8.4G which, indeed, exceeds the size of the tmpfs...it seems i've picked the wrong repo for testing purposes :-)
[08:42] <gour> will try now with something smaller, iow. with less compression-ration
[08:50] <gour> now, with a smaller repo, i get another error: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/E~5mj4bg71qo-UE5WokA5w
[09:53] <jelmer> gour: is that from pip or trunk?
[09:53] <jelmer> Pip is many months old at this point
[10:10] <gour> jelmer: pip
[10:11] <gour> what would be the most clean way to install from the trunk, or maybe i should do pip-install from the trunk
[10:14] <jelmer> just 'bzr branch lp:brz; cd brz; ./setup.py install'
[10:14] <gour> maybe it's from the trunk (installed with: pip2.7 install --user bzr+lp:brz), version shows: breezy (3.0.0.dev1), so how can i know?
[10:23] <jelmer> I don't think it provides a good way to know if you install from pip
[10:36] <gour> correct. install from the trunk shows same version...let me try the same experiment...
[10:40] <gour> jelmer: same as before - see: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/FacFQCy8mADdLbDiVI46ig
[17:39] <Walex> oh well very happy that Breezy is a thing...
[17:40] <Walex> I am compiling a table of "features" of various VCSes, and I am wondering: in the repo format "2a" how many files there are in the store? One per commit like 'git'? One per tracked files like in Mercurial? One per repo like in monotone?
[18:40] <Peng> It's similar to storage using Git's pack files.
[18:41] <Peng> Recent revisions will be in a pack file plus 4 index files. Older revisions will have been autocompressed into larger and larger files.
[18:43] <Peng> So maybe a few dozen files, plus small metadata files.
[18:43] <Peng> But it probably varies depending on repository usage patterns.
[22:03] <Walex> Peng: many thanks, so it is basically per-commit, plus packing. to consolidate many commits in  a single file.
[22:50] <Walex> BTW the reason why I ask is that one of the crucial features of a VCS is the storage structure. For example Mercurial creates two file per every file that ever existed in the working directory, so large projects end up with a colossal number of files, even workse than Subversion...
[23:01] <Walex> BTW as a suggestion now that Canonical seems to be no longer sponsoring Bazaar, Breezy could become "GNU Breezy", which would help.
[23:02] <Peng> Bazaar's storage has been pretty good for like ten years. ;-)
[23:02] <Peng> Dunno what them other VCSes been up to. :D :D
[23:02] <Walex> Peng: :-)
[23:02] <Walex> Yes, but format 2a should have been publicized more widely
[23:03] <Walex> I remember reading the blog post with the speed tests on the OpenOffice.org repo and they are quite good
[23:03] <Peng> It's not exactly per revision. It's per thing-that-happened. If you pull 10 revisions, they'll be stuffed in one pack, it won't generate 10 packs simultaneously.
[23:04] <Walex> Peng: ah yes, I might have veen using "revision" loosely. per commit?
[23:04] <Peng> same thing
[23:04] <Walex> Peng: but it is pretty good indeed, possibly better than the 'git' object store, which really really needs to be repacked...
[23:05] <Walex> BTW sadly the killer feature is the ability to se the '.git' object store directly. That's amazing killer feature.
[23:06] <Walex> I have watched Martin Packman's video and his point that 'bzr' has a user interface for people *and* can use '.git' (and has a competitive native format) is quite strong.
[23:07] <Peng> This is kind of only of historical interest, but Bazaar went through a number of different storage formats, starting off with what might not have been very good, and ending with a good format. Git and Mercurial kind of started with pretty-good formats and have been loath to change them.
[23:07] <Walex> BTW the /topic should really really be in the /topic and so J Elmer's blog post.
[23:08] <Walex> Peng: I am an old timer (I started with SCCS, used it extensively) and I have followed Bazaar since the very first days. And ther others.
[23:08] <Walex> BTW the video URL should really really be in the /topic and so J Elmer's blog post.
[23:09] <Walex> Peng: I sould strongly dispute that the Mercurial storage format is good.
[23:09] <Walex> Peng: that's a developer's point of view, for small repos. I am nowadays mostly a sysadmin and lots and lots and lots of small files are a very big problem.
[23:10] <Peng> Heh. D:
[23:10] <Walex> Peng: things like that are for example very, very slow to 'fsck'.
[23:11] <Walex> Peng: hosting a Subversion repo, with one storage file per original file is already a pain, hosting Subversion checkouts is even worse, hosting Mercurial is horrifying.
[23:11] <Walex> Developers never have to fsck or backup or index their repos and checkouts.
[23:12] <Walex> Ahhhh I have another secondary question...
[23:12] <Walex> a bit of too detailed perhaps...
[23:12] <Walex> still on storage.
[23:14] <Walex> so, a point made by the developer of 'monotone' who has switched to 'git' but who thinks that Mercurial is better, is that multiple 'monotone' checkouts can share the same storage directory '.mtn', while with 'git' the 'git' directory must be copied per checkout. What's the current story woh the '2a' format as to that.
[23:16] <Peng> Bazaar supports shared repositories.
[23:17] <Walex> Peng: except when they are 'git' one I guess...
[23:17] <Peng> you do "bzr init-repo" in a directory, and any Bazaar branches in child directories will put their stuff in that repository, instead of maintaining their own repositories.
[23:17] <Peng> It works well with Bazaar's branch-per-directory model.
[23:18]  * Walex was thoroughly amazed when I could just go 'bzr log' in a 'git' cloned repo.
[23:18] <Walex> Peng: yes, I had hoped so.
[23:20] <Walex> BTW my very drafty draft blog post on VCSes and Breezy: http://localhost/blog/drafts2.html?180106#180106
[23:21] <Walex> and my very old table of comparison that I am slowly updating: http://localhost/blog/drafts2.html?110817#110817
[23:21] <Walex> very drafty draft too.
[23:25] <Walex> Ah other question for my table -- how "bad" is 'bzr'/'brz' for large binary files? I guess same as 'git'...
[23:37] <Walex> there is no mention of Breezy on Wikipedia yet


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[23:17] <bkerensa> hello Azendale