 sorry for the weird one.
[00:00] <Wafficus> someone said to use lynx instead of w3m in terminal, but I wanted to know a smaller memory hog one for GUI web browsing
[00:00] <Wafficus> I hate the depending on Chrome on this comp tbh
[00:00] <wxl> well it depends on what you want it to do
[00:01] <wxl> i mean, dillo is pretty small
[00:01] <wxl> but the web is run on javascript
[00:01] <wxl> so maybe falkon or qutebrowser or something of the sort is a better choice
[00:02] <Wafficus> true
[00:02] <Wafficus> falkon and qutebrowser, cool, will look in the lubuntu repo for that
[00:02] <Wafficus> *those
[00:02] <wxl> right now falkon is default for 18.10
[00:02] <wxl> it's qt so since lxde is largely gtk and not qt, it will mean pulling in some qt libs. qutebrowser too
[00:03] <wxl> xombrero used to be a thing but i don't know where it went
[00:03] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf likes opera but i doubt that's light
[00:03] <wxl> @kc2bez i don't think that's too strange, actually
[00:04] <Wafficus> hmm, btw did anyone figure out what the default mirror should be for the getcountry() function?
[00:04] <Wafficus> or rather
[00:04] <Wafficus> whoops poorly phrased
[00:04] <Wafficus> that has to deal with getmirror()
[00:04] <Wafficus> I guess I have to add a timeout block to make the computer wait for the country right
[00:04] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2
[00:04] <wxl> yeah
[00:05] <Wafficus> do we we need a try and except block for the getcountry() function?
[00:05] <Wafficus> isn't that only for the getmirror() function?
[00:05] <wxl> mirror calls country and country's the one that fails, so country
[00:05] <Wafficus> ah ok
[00:05] <Wafficus> so I put the code that was previously placed into the try block
[00:05] <Wafficus> now for the default except part
[00:05] <Wafficus> if in doubt, US lol?
[00:06] <Wafficus> or we have to assume other countries as well
[00:06] <Wafficus> or rather, the issue is to make a time out function
[00:06] <Wafficus> do I have to consult the "REST api" for Python in this case?
[00:07] <wxl> probably
[00:07] <wxl> but
[00:07] <wxl> i don't know
[00:08] <wxl> no, the country is used to pick a mirror
[00:08] <Wafficus> so there is no default country then
[00:08] <wxl> well we need to pick one
[00:08] <wxl> i'd say pick the US
[00:09] <Wafficus> like there would be no except clause other than saying "country not found"
[00:09] <Wafficus> yeah I was gonna say
[00:09] <wxl> and oregon state university's mirros :)
[00:09] <Wafficus> good idea
[00:09] <Wafficus> didn't know we mirror from that university
[00:09] <wxl> they mirror everything
[00:09] <Wafficus> I knew a transfer student at the college I went to that went there
[00:09] <Wafficus> mega cute
[00:09] <Wafficus> anyway
[00:09] <Wafficus> lets see
[00:09] <Wafficus> default mirror should be oregon state university mirrors huh
[00:09] <Wafficus> makes sense
[00:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T53: Must haves for 18.10 release] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T53#1649
[00:10] <wxl> i wish lugito showed diffs
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> question regarding lxterminal, so is it possible to full screen it?], F11
 the best I have done
[00:24] <Wafficus> HMollerCl: but how do I get rid of the menu at the top too?
[00:24] <Wafficus> like to hide it
[00:24] <Wafficus> Thanks though for the F11 trick, appreciate it a ton
 @Wafficus [<Wafficus> HMollerCl: but how do I get rid of the menu at the top too?], I don't  think it can be done. Can't you use tty? (ctrl+alt+f1 f2, f3....f6) com back to x with ctr+alt+f7
[00:28] <wxl> Preferences > Display > Hide menu bar
[00:29] <Wafficus> woah
[00:29] <Wafficus> yeah I just got back to this
[00:29] <Wafficus> that was a trip
[00:29] <Wafficus> I didn't even know you could do that
[00:29] <Wafficus> thats crazy
[00:29] <wxl> you mean virtual terminals?
[00:29] <Wafficus> yeah whatever the hell that was
[00:29] <Wafficus> ctrl + alt + f1
[00:29] <wxl> yep
[00:29] <Wafficus> I thought I totally screwed up my computer
[00:29] <wxl> hah
[00:29] <Wafficus> is that lxterminal?
[00:30] <wxl> be warned: that's not running in x
[00:30] <Wafficus> or is that something else
[00:30] <Wafficus> yeah I assumed
[00:30] <Wafficus> I kinda like that
[00:30] <wxl> something altogether different
[00:30] <Wafficus> pure terminal baby :)
[00:30] <Wafficus> maybe that's the solution to my other laptop
[00:30] <Wafficus> keep X for boot
[00:30] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console
[00:30] <Wafficus> but immediately go into virtual terminal
[00:31] <wxl> or just don't even boot into x
[00:31] <wxl> use it iff. you need it
[00:33] <Wafficus> yeah I got an old Acer Aspire 3690 with 512 meg ram, considering just having purely terminals on that
[00:33] <Wafficus> I tried looking at what "ubuntu server" distro I needed yesterday but was confused ha
[00:34] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: D24 is waiting on upstream. Blaming agaida. XD
[00:34] <tsimonq2> er
[00:34] <tsimonq2> wxl
[00:34] <wxl> no hell with that
[00:34] <tsimonq2> dude
[00:34] <tsimonq2> The package LITERALLY WON'T INSTALL.
[00:34] <wxl> when that fix comes, we can mvoe it back
[00:34] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:35] <wxl> what are you talking about?
[00:35] <tsimonq2> lxqt-globalkeys and lubuntu-default-settings would be impossible to ship at the same time.
[00:35] <tsimonq2> Two binaries can't ship the same files.
[00:35] <tsimonq2> lxqt-globalkeys already ships the files.
[00:35] <tsimonq2> Which means we either have to hack up the LXQt package or we have to wait for upstream to do XDG properly.
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> Which means we either have to hack up the LXQt package or we have to …], that's for Super_L ?
[00:36] <wxl> oh god. well reading their bug the latter is not coming any time soon
[00:36] <wxl> yes @HMollerCl and any other changes we want to make to keys
[00:36] <wxl> and that's the thing --- we WILL want to make changes
[00:36] <wxl> so i vote hacking lxqt then :/
 I'm pretty sure that my installation from mid august had Super_L as default
 I tyhink I can download again right?
[00:36] <tsimonq2> I really can't do that in good conscious, but I can close my eyes and whistle if you get a change sponsored to lxqt-globalkeys by another Ubuntu developer. :P
[00:37] <wxl> ugh
 to test it and see what cahanged?
 It is very annoying for the main menu shortcut default to be set to Alt+F1
[00:37] <wxl> well then i guess we can kiss globalkeys changes goodbye
[00:37] <tsimonq2> Faulty logic. :P
[00:38] <wxl> not for a while at least
[00:38] <tsimonq2> Find how other LXQt packages just pull from XDG settings, and then make PRs upstream to lxqt-globalkeys.
[00:38] <wxl> go for it
[00:38] <tsimonq2> For someone who isn't familiar with the codebase, probably a 2-3 hour job.
[00:38] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:38] <wxl> cuz i'm sure if the developers of the actual software can't figure it out, joe pleeb sure can
[00:39] <tsimonq2> dude
[00:39] <tsimonq2> agaida is just lazy
[00:39] <Wafficus> wxl: So its time.sleep(10) for 10 seconds in Python
[00:39] <wxl> @HMollerCl there's only a day or two of images available, sorry
[00:39] <Wafficus> did you want that BEFORE localdata gets initialized
[00:39] <Wafficus> or after
[00:39] <wxl> @tsimonq2: no, the bug is something he made because he wants it changed
[00:39] <Wafficus> in automirror's main.py?
[00:39] <wxl> Wafficus: no, no. urllib.request has a timeout option
[00:39] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: See palinek's comment.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> ARGH.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> wxl: YOU.
[00:39] <tsimonq2> :)
[00:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: 07:42:07 PM <+agaida> and it should be easy to implement - but not for me :D
[00:43] <tsimonq2> I TOLD YOU DO
[00:43] <tsimonq2> *SO
[00:43] <wxl> ok well whos' going to do it? apparently no one cares
[00:43] <tsimonq2> You apparently care.
[00:43] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:44] <wxl> s/no one/no one with sufficient skill and knowledge of the code/
[00:44] <tsimonq2> dude
[00:44] <tsimonq2> It's just C++
[00:44] <wxl> then knock yourself out
[00:44] <wxl> or we just change the default in lxqt-globalkeys and problem solved
[00:46] <tsimonq2> Knock yourself out; the packaging's in Phab.
[00:48] <Wafficus> hey so I'm looking at that link:
[00:48] <Wafficus> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23
[00:48] <Wafficus> I don't see a comment that told me to look into urllib.request() for a timeout section
[00:48] <Wafficus> I will anyway
[00:48] <Wafficus> but am I not on the same page?
[00:48] <wxl> there's not a timeout section. it's an option to urllib.request
[00:48] <wxl> like it's a feature of urllib.request itself
[00:51] <Wafficus> gotcha
[00:52] <wxl> got a solution to the problem @TheWendyPower
 @wxl........ 😏
[00:54] <wxl> @TheWendyPower blame me. I didn't knwo two binaries couldn't provide the same file.
[00:54] <Wafficus> wxl: Hey check out my pastebin:
[00:54] <Wafficus> wxl: https://pastebin.com/YyvW7Ym2
[00:54] <Wafficus> wxl: is that what you wanted using the 'timeout' parameter?
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Anyone else have botched networking with the daily under QEMU?
 @wxl I'll just go back to working on the slide show... [whispers to myself] It is much safer there... 😉
[01:00] <tsimonq2> ahahaha
[01:00] <tsimonq2> Good work!
 @wxl now I will try the calamares thing
 on a vm
[01:01] <Wafficus> wxl: hey man, did you check out my paste bin above?
 mmm @wxl it's taking pretty long on unsquash filesystem
 at least now it is in 22% before was in 21%.
 create locale
 39%
[01:29] <lyorian> @HmollerCI unsquash seems to take a long time
[01:31] <lyorian> tsimonq2:  live session or installed?
[01:31] <lyorian> tsimonq2: I have it working fine with virtio nic
 and error
[01:32] <lyorian> in the live session
 yes
[01:34] <wxl> @TheWendyPower https://community.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-cosmic-cuttlefish-release-parties/8228
[01:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl what error? pastebin the logs if you can
[01:37] <wxl> man i wish Wafficus would just stay put XD
 (Photo, 375x286) https://i.imgur.com/pABdcrI.jpg
 never used pastebin what should I do?
[01:37] <wxl> @TheWendyPower so you're giving up? :(
[01:38] <wxl> @HMollerCl `cat somefile | pastebinit`
[01:39] <wxl> did you copy and paste @HMollerCl? that might be the issue. python is really picky about indentation
 @wxl [<wxl> did you copy and paste @HMollerCl? that might be the issue. python is real …], ok, that can be
[01:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl here's the raw file you can just replace it ith https://phab.lubuntu.me/file/data/tkqb45bqwzr2kzcz6vtl/PHID-FILE-6gnqqtxh3ra6vc6mgajb/common_modules_automirror_main.py
 @wxl goodness no I'm not giving up! I am drinking an adult beverage and making dinner for my husband and 4 children. :-)
[01:40] <wxl> @TheWendyPower ok good because you did really good and you're almost done!!!!
[01:41] <wxl> although the thought of wendy coding drunk…
 Hahahahahaha
[01:41] <lyorian> don't spill the adult beverage on your computer
 It isn't going near the computer... I just can't have another ruined keyboard right now. 😁
[01:44] <wxl> https://www.wetkeys.com/Washable-Computer-Keyboards-Waterproof-Computer-Keyboards-s/3.htm
 I may have to get one of those.....
[01:45] <wxl> i hear that adult diapers help, too, since you don't have to bother getting up XD
 I've changed diapers for 4 kids, I'm done with diapers!!!!
[01:48] <wxl> oh you don't have to tell me twice and i only have one
 LOL!
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl here's the raw file you can just replace it ith https://phab.lu …], ok, starting all again, btw, now the system only gave me the manual partition option
[01:51] <wxl> @HMollerCl if that's the case you should quit calamares and look at your disk set up with e.g. `lsblk`. chances are you have a swap partition mounted. run `swapoff /path/to/swap` and then run calamares and it will work
 I did the manual partition, manual erase and created
 the installation ended w/p problems
 w/o
[02:15] <wxl> @HMollerCl that's a good sign. can you send the logs over?
[02:15] <wxl> i don't remember if there's timing info in there.
 mmmm, y did the reset after installation. Can I recover them?
[02:16] <wxl> maaaaybe. look in ~/.config
 don't see anything. But to be honest, during the installation I didn't found logs in .config either
[02:19] <wxl> oh they're there somewhere
 apparently I will have to instal again
 Are you looking for calamares logs? maybe /var/log/installer/
 will look there
 @wxl I think I have some logs. How can I send it to you?
[02:32] <wxl> sorry i meant ~/.cache not ~/.config
[02:33] <wxl> you can put it on paste.ubuntu.com or share.riseup.net or wherever..... or just `cat file | pastebinit` and give me the url
[02:33] <wxl> here's my log i just finished https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j3r4jmHfCY/
[02:34] <wxl> if you go to automirro you can i pass through the automirror in like a second
[02:35] <wxl> less than that, really
 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CjpCr7krjW/
 hope this help
[02:39] <wxl> hm that seems to be the bad one
[02:39] <wxl> oh wait no i'm wrong
[02:39] <wxl> the good one follows
[02:39] <wxl> so it took about 3 seconds for you
 yup, the two
 ok, I need to sleep. Good night.
[02:41] <wxl> thanks be well!
[02:43] <wxl> oh it looks like the timeout thing might not be an issue. looks like without specifying it has no timeout! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/29649173/what-is-the-global-default-timeout#29649638
[03:12] <lyorian> night @HmollerCI
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 @wxl [<wxl> @VikingRedwolf likes opera but i doubt that's light], I'm liking Epiphany more and more lately, but I need security plugins in my life. And the sync feature of Opera is perfect, including the speed dials. Firefox 's bookmarks are awful. But yes, being a Chromium thingie it's not that fast loading, but it is rendering
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[06:24] <wxl> new trojita coming down the pike. with all of agaida's debian packaging. this should be good.
[06:35] <wxl> ok trojita 0.7-0ubuntu1ppa4 has now successfully built and is publishing as we speak. go test everyone! https://launchpad.net/~wxl/+archive/ubuntu/testy-testy
[06:41] <wxl> @tsimonq2: any idea if those luks/encryption changes made it into calamares and what patches we want to pull down if they have?
[06:43] <wxl> ugh trojita is almost there
[06:44] <wxl> i'm in this weird catch-22 trying to deal with lintian errors but the solution is to move libtrojita_plugins.so from /usr/lib/trojita to /usr/lib
[07:04] <wxl> ok ppa5 on the way should fix that
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[07:08] <wxl> now i got to bed
 @wxl I tested trojita. Everything seems to work as expected for me. Install went fine and I was able to send and receive emails. I think you got it!
[12:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T81: Swap out KDE Falkon for Firefox until Falkon becomes more stable] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T81#1650
[12:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1651
[12:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: Set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1651
[14:04] <wxl[m]> Thanks @kc2bez!
[14:06] <wxl[m]> See that task T81 above if you have objections about swapping Falkon for Firefox folks
 I have no objection.
[14:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T86: Reorganizations of official titles] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T86#1653
[14:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: Set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1655
[14:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: Fix HTML for lubuntu-devel list] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#1657
[14:36] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T72: Fix HTML for lubuntu-devel list] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T72#1658
[14:47] <wxl[m]> Who else has tried Trojitá?
 I've not tried it but I can.
[14:57] <wxl[m]> Dooooooeeeeeeet
[15:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T73: Set up Lubuntu Membership] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T73#1660
 There, I've sort of laid down a foundation for Lubuntu governance.
[15:32] <wxl> @tsimonq2: a switch? really? because you said we were waiting on a new release
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: a switch? really? because you said we were waiting on a new rel …], What?
[15:35] <wxl> @tsimonq2: encryption
 Yeah, the release was done aaaages ago
 We haven't been waiting for a while
[15:37]  * wxl sighs
 @wxl[m] [<wxl[m]> Who else has tried Trojitá?], how should I install it? apt install?
 @lubuntu_bot [*wxl: sighs*], Love you too. Now go enable LVM in a live image and try an install!
[15:37] <wxl> @HMollerCl `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt install trojita`
[15:38] <wxl> @tsimonq2: well first i have to figure out flipping the switch, right? also you're pinging the bot.
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: well first i have to figure out flipping the switch, right? als …], I'm not pinging the bot, just replying to you... The switch is in the docs
 I don't know offhand
[15:39] <wxl> h0837 < lubot:#lubuntu-devel> <tsimonq2> @lubuntu_bot [*wxl:
 Bah
[15:41] <wxl> this is the switch? https://github.com/calamares/calamares/blob/v3.2.2/src/modules/partition/partition.conf#L62
 I dunno, try it :)
[15:42] <wxl> ugh
[15:42] <wxl> you seem to have expressed some understanding about this. i know nothing about it.
 Me neither. I just RTFM'ed.
[15:46] <wxl> then you should be able to say yay or nay, no?
[15:46] <wxl> anyways i guess you'll be of little help
[15:46] <wxl> why do we have neverCreateSwap to true? this ensure suspend basically won't work
 @wxl [<wxl> why do we have neverCreateSwap to true? this ensure suspend basically won' …], Because Ubuntu does swapfiles
 I dunno
 You can't suspend with swapfiles???? only swap partition?
 @HMollerCl [You can't suspend with swapfiles???? only swap partition?], You can
[15:56] <wxl> @HMollerCl no, you can. i didn't recognize that fact
 Which is why we don't need a partition
 that si my understading too.
 I also think wxl is confusing suspend with hibernate. You can suspend without swap, you can't hibernate without swap.
 And hibernate has been disabled for aaaages.
 but you can enable it.
 @HMollerCl [but you can enable it.], Can you?
 Also wxl I really want to know your thoughts on the whole LC proposal
[15:58] <wxl> suspend needs ram, hibernate needs disk
[15:59] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's fine but i'd consider dealing with the iso as a little more important
 Mkay
 @tsimonq2 [Can you?], yes, I did that. From what I know ubuntu disabled hibernation for computers NOT certified for lubuntu.
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/361734/hibernation-is-still-missing-from-menu-in-13-10-after-enabling-via-polkit-how-t/362499#362499
 https://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation
[16:02] <wxl> althought https://lwn.net/Articles/764841/
[16:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rTROJITAe49198de1e73: updated timestamp] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rTROJITAe49198de1e73
[17:12] <Wafficus> wxl: Did you see the pastebin I did last night, wxl?
 has anyone tried wine in 18.10?
[17:16] <wxl> Wafficus: i sent you a memo
 No I have not, but I've thougt about loading up Steam.
 In my installation from august, after  ... sudo apt install wine
 when I run wine it says:
 it looks like wine32 is missing, you should install it. ... as root, please execute "apt-get install wine32"
[17:17] <Wafficus> wxl: On phab?
[17:17] <Wafficus> wxl: If its through IRC's private messaging, how do I access my IRC inbox?
[17:17] <wxl> Wafficus: /msg memoserv
[17:18] <wxl> you should have got it when you logged in
[17:18] <wxl> might have not noticed it in the spew
[17:18] <wxl> while you're at it go try trojita: `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt install trojita && trojita`
[17:19] <Wafficus> got your memo
[17:20] <Wafficus> what's trojita?
[17:20] <Wafficus> I'm accessing freenode via browser at work, so I'm not any particular machine tbh
[17:21] <wxl> our email client for 18.10
[17:21] <wxl> i just finally got it packaged in a reasonable state
[17:21] <wxl> already have one +1 on it but i need as many eyes on it as possible
[17:21] <wxl> word of warning though: imap only
[17:24] <Wafficus> wxl: Ah gotcha, yeah I'll install it on my Lubuntu laptop at home
[17:24] <Wafficus> what's imap?
[17:26] <wxl> most likely, the email protocol you're used to
[17:31] <Wafficus> gotcha
[17:31] <Wafficus> I do defaults for lubuntu
[17:31] <Wafficus> so I have no idea lol
[17:32] <wxl> well i think that claws or whatevre it was that we shipped could do either
[17:32] <wxl> and in other news looks like we have kernels stuck in proposed keeping our images from building
[17:33] <wxl> so take a break from testing images and test trojita :)
[17:34] <wxl> yeah sylpheed does pop3, imap up to 4rev1, smtp (duh, that's sending) as well as nntp (news)
[17:34] <wxl> trojita's not that cool.
[17:34] <wxl> but i'm not the world's biggest fan of pop. it has its value, but i don't need it.
[17:39] <Wafficus> well I'll take a break when I finally fix that function's timing issue
[17:39] <Wafficus> or whatever you want then htough
[17:39] <Wafficus> I just want to make sure its solved
[17:39] <Wafficus> I always just use outlook in browser, I've never used mail clients in an OS ever
[17:39] <Wafficus> just only in a browser tab
 @wxl, just confiigured an IMAP account. There is no "authentication failed" message
[17:40] <wxl> actually i'm thinking the timeout is a red herring
[17:40] <Wafficus> I would want to learn mutt though
[17:40] <wxl> i don't remember if i sent you that
[17:40] <Wafficus> yeah you said that
[17:40] <wxl> infinity is a long time out
[17:40] <wxl> mutt rules.
[17:40] <Wafficus> I could never find out how to change the default email though through their man page
[17:40] <wxl> @HMollerCl you configured this through trojita?
[17:40] <Wafficus> I tried waiting in #mutt too but no response
[17:40] <Wafficus> *for Lubuntu
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl you configured this through trojita?], yes
[17:41] <wxl> usually update-alternatives will do the trick
[17:41] <wxl> @HMollerCl how do you know you were suppossed to get an authentication failed message? maybe you put in the right password after all? XD
 I had to open a "IMAP protocol" window to see the problem
 And it is still trying to connect, how can I stop it?
[17:45] <wxl> that i'm not sure of
 tring to reply an e-mail I got: APPEND ha fallado: Client tried to access nonexistent namespace. (Mailbox name should probably be prefixed with: INBOX.) (0.001 + 0.000 secs).
 really don't get what should be prefixed with INBOX.
[17:49] <wxl> where did you make an account at?
[17:54] <wxl> i don't even get how you can make an account
[17:54] <wxl> seems like all you can do is add an existing one
 I'm confused between make an account and add an existing one.
 In making an account are you thinking in a server?
[18:19] <wxl> well in thunderbird you can sign up for an account on e.g. gmail, in addition to simply entering your information for an account that already exists at gmail
 aaa, I don't know thata. My trojita just crashed
[18:20] <wxl> i don't think trojita can do much more than just enter an existing account
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't think trojita can do much more than just enter an existing account], I think the same
[18:21] <wxl> post up the crash if you can
[18:21] <wxl> probably something in /var/crash
 got it but I can't connect to pastebinit
[18:24] <wxl> weird
[18:24] <wxl> maybe that's why trojita crashed: network issues
 [Errno socket error] The write operation timed out
[18:27] <wxl> yeah that sounds like a network issue. can you `ping paste.ubuntu.com` ?
 ING paste.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data. ... 64 bytes from druzhnaya.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=43 time=217 ms ... 64 bytes from druzhnaya.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=2 ttl=43 time=224 ms ... 64 bytes from druzhnaya.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=217 ms ... 64 b
[18:27] <wxl> i'd try it again
 still getting the same error, still able to ping paste.ubuntu.com
[18:36] <wxl> @HMollerCl what's the exact command you're using?
 cat _usr_bin_trojita.1000.crash | pastebinit
[18:37] <wxl> let's try passing `-b paste.debian.net` to pastebinit
 cat _usr_bin_trojita.1000.crash | pastebinit -b paste.debian.net
 ??
[18:38] <wxl> yep
 same error
[18:38] <wxl> huh it just dies
[18:39] <wxl> bizaare. open up paste.ubuntu.com and copy and paste it then XD
 it gave me a 502 error
[18:43] <wxl> wth
[18:44] <wxl> well something is certainly not behaving right with your networking
 after pasting the data, after I press the "paste" buton it give me 502 bad gateway
 apparently wine has problems creating entries in the menu.
[18:46] <wxl> no suchn problems https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DxCvjpVxNs/
[18:47] <wxl> even more https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GPk2wW6bDx/
 i will ry in the host system
 yup, no problem there
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bv2rBjXC9K/
 winecfg ... 001e:err:winecfg:open_mountmgr failed to open mount manager err 2
 not sure whta that means
 is a wine error
[18:58] <wxl[m]> Isn't there a wine channel?
[18:58] <wxl[m]> Oh well probably not on Telegram
 16:50:47.618 Submission gotError: APPEND ha fallado: Client tried to access nonexistent namespace. (Mailbox name should probably be prefixed with: INBOX.) (0.001 + 0.000 secs). ... 16:50:47.618 Submission STATE_FAILED
[20:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T60: Improved Wallpapers] TheWendyPower (Wendy Hill) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T60#1670
 wxl, @TheWendyPower: Can I get your thoughts on the LC stuff ASAP so I can get the ball rolling?
 @tsimonq2 I've read through it a few times today. It sounds good to me.
 Cool.
 wxl wxl wxl wxl wxl
 Waiting on wxl :)
[21:04] <wxl> i already said go
[21:05] <wxl> btw calamares seg faults trying to do luks
[21:05] <wxl> no clear response from anyone at #cala as to what the issue might be
 Ah
 Just checking current daily. @TheWendyPower 200px button is ok
 Gtk theme enable is ok, screen grab is out
 Only thing apparently doesn't work is to define gth-theme arc-darker. The override in gnome worked but adwaita still appears as default
 @HMollerCl [Only thing apparently doesn't work is to define gth-theme arc-darker. The overri …], So, LXQt isn't reading it correctly?
 I will send what happens after installing it
 *see
 Nope, still puts adwaita
 Apparently the .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini must exist
[22:01] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1671
 the setting of default gtk-theme from gsettings was added on sept2. This should be taken into cosideration by 18.10 right?
 https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/pull/278/commits/10945b90c8d9a084977675bc8b1db158acd4c909#diff-b37764f38e63f6ed1fa485106bf34ccaR294
[22:24] <wxl> i'm pretty sure i added that patch to mkpath if not exist
[22:25] <wxl> it's certainly something that came after the last release https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-config/compare/0.13.0...master
[22:26] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-config/browse/ubuntu%252Fcosmic/debian/patches/mkpath-for-null-gtk-settings.patch
[22:26] <wxl> so you can see that's only part of it
 so that's why it isn't working.
 giving that, the only way I see we can define a default is to create .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[22:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1672
[22:42] <wxl> @HMollerCl you could pull the rest of that patch in if need be
 how?
[22:43] <wxl> use that one as an example
[22:43] <wxl> more or less you want to do this: grab the diff from github, import it with quilt, and there ya go
[22:43] <wxl> that's what i did with that one
 mm I will have to thinks about it to see if I understand it.
[22:44] <wxl> i can walk you through it step by step if you need it
[22:45] <wxl> i refer to the general concept in the packaging notes but i don't explain it. it's on the todo
 thanks, now I have to go, will ping you when I have time.
[22:45] <wxl> ok
[22:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1673
[22:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1674
[22:51] <Wafficus> wxl: hey I'm home. What did you want me to dl again? A new mailing client to test out right?
[22:51] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: You should also get a bouncer first. ;)
[22:52] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: what's that my dude?
[22:52] <Wafficus> tsimonq2: is that the "bot" magic you guys have going?
[22:52] <tsimonq2> Wafficus: wxl would love to explain.
[22:53] <wxl> Wafficus: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt update && sudo apt install trojita && trojita
[22:53] <Wafficus> wxl: thanks will do right now
[22:53] <Wafficus> I'm using that terminal console right now
[22:53] <Wafficus> kinda liking this a lot :)
[22:54] <Wafficus> way nicer than LxTerminal tbh
[22:54] <Wafficus> do you guys know how to use the keyboard to select text in IRC without a mouse lol?
[22:55] <Wafficus> I'm using weechat
[22:55] <Wafficus> looking through the man page now in any case
[22:56] <Wafficus> dling the packages right now
[22:56] <Wafficus> for trojita that is
[22:58] <Wafficus> so I installed it via that command
[22:58] <Wafficus> do I just run it as "trojita" in bash?
[22:58] <Wafficus> wxl:
[22:58] <wxl> or you can click on the right icon
[22:59] <Wafficus> ah gotcha its x based
[22:59] <Wafficus> ill be back in that case
[23:03] <Wafficus> hey back
[23:04] <Wafficus> so I installed it on the terminal console window in F1
[23:04] <Wafficus> now im on the X window aka F7
[23:04] <Wafficus> I don't see the icon, do I have to reboot to see Trojita?
[23:04] <Wafficus> *like in any relevant menus in the start menu
[23:05] <Wafficus> I'll try rebooting
[23:09] <Wafficus> hey weird question
[23:09] <Wafficus> what's the default font in LxTerminal?
[23:10] <Wafficus> got it its mono space
[23:15] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1675
[23:19] <Wafficus> I don't see Trojita as an icon in my start menu
[23:19] <Wafficus> and whereis trojita doesn't work
[23:19] <Wafficus> wxl:
[23:20] <wxl> just run it on the command line. we'll fix that later
[23:20] <Wafficus> command not found
[23:20] <Wafficus> trojita: command not found
[23:20] <wxl> then you didn't install it right
[23:20] <Wafficus> can you copy and paste that command again
[23:20] <wxl> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:wxl/testy-testy && sudo apt update && sudo apt install trojita
[23:22] <Wafficus> its giving 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] in one of the lines
[23:22] <Wafficus> im assuming that was just for one of the mirrors
[23:22] <wxl> fix your internets :)
[23:22] <Wafficus> well if im on this
[23:22] <Wafficus> then clearly my internet works
[23:22] <wxl> some of it does at least
[23:22] <Wafficus> hmm
[23:23] <Wafficus> what is a command that i can put the output of my bash console into a text file
[23:23] <Wafficus> like just use the arrow key right
[23:24] <Wafficus> like:
[23:24] <Wafficus> sudo add-apt-respository ppa:wxl/testy-testy > test.txt?
[23:24] <wxl> yep
[23:25] <Wafficus> I did that command and now I'm waiting
[23:25] <Wafficus> I'm wondering how its gonna take the input for the Enter key
[23:25] <Wafficus> its just hanging for now
[23:26] <wxl> it probably won't
[23:26] <Wafficus> damn
[23:26] <Wafficus> alright I'll just copy and paste it then
 It should show under the Internet category on your menu after you get it installed, it worked for me.
[23:26] <wxl> you can use the -y switch
[23:26] <wxl> @kc2bez he is having more fundamental problems
 I see that. I just wanted to let you know @wxl that it did populate my menu.
[23:27] <wxl> yay :)
[23:28] <Wafficus> https://pastebin.com/ws02hThq
[23:29] <Wafficus> ^ there's my output
[23:30] <wxl> Wafficus: give us /etc/apt/sources.list
 Bionic?
[23:32] <Wafficus> ok
[23:32] <wxl> oh actually yeah
[23:32] <wxl> all kinds of broken things
 should be cosmic no?
[23:33] <wxl> well he might be on bionic
[23:33] <wxl> trojita won't work on it, though
[23:33] <wxl> you should open up a virtual machine and run it that way Wafficus
 yeah I wondered.
[23:34] <Wafficus> https://pastebin.com/2VRGdz0a
[23:34] <Wafficus> I only have 2 gigs of ram though wxl
[23:36] <wxl> so?
[23:36] <wxl> lines 56 and 58 are duplicates
[23:36] <Wafficus> I didn't think I could run vms on this thing :0
[23:36] <Wafficus> 4 gigs of ram rather sorry
[23:36] <Wafficus> not 2
[23:36] <wxl> also if you look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d you'll find files related to cool-retro-term and compton that should be removed
[23:37] <wxl> so run a vm with 1gb of ram
[23:37] <Wafficus> I've never done it :/
[23:37] <wxl> in any case you can't run trojita on bionic
[23:37] <Wafficus> do I have to install vmware?
[23:37] <Wafficus> am I on Bionic?
[23:37] <wxl> virtualbox would probably be easiest but if you can figure it out, virt-manager (kvm/qemu) would probably be a better use of resources
[23:38] <wxl> lsb_release -a will tell you
[23:38] <Wafficus> ah yeah I'm on bionic
[23:38] <Wafficus> so I have to download an iso of cosmic then?
[23:38] <wxl> yep
[23:38] <Wafficus> ok
[23:40] <Wafficus> I have x86_64
[23:40] <Wafficus> so I'm assuming 32 bit release Cosmic right?
[23:40] <wxl> 64
[23:40] <Wafficus> really?
[23:40] <Wafficus> i'm on x84_64 right now
[23:41] <Wafficus> ok
[23:41] <wxl> that's 64
[23:41] <Wafficus> ah gotcha
[23:41] <Wafficus> dling the iso
[23:41] <Wafficus> installing virtualbox
[23:41] <Wafficus> gonna be fun
[23:41] <Wafficus> I kinda like the vm idea, never really did it
[23:42] <Wafficus> I guess I love emulators too, so I've been doing it for a while without really realizing it haha
[23:42] <Wafficus> but yeah when I get the ISO, just do a live disc boot of it right?
[23:44] <wxl> yup
[23:45] <Wafficus> ok i'll keep you updated
[23:45] <Wafficus> like usual I kinda only have an hour at home so I'll hopefully get this done before 8:30 pm
[23:45] <Wafficus> once I get it, run that command right, and make sure it installs
[23:45] <Wafficus> and just test it out right?
[23:46] <wxl> yeah, you shouldn't even need to install the system
[23:47] <Wafficus> cool will do
[23:47] <Wafficus> makes me wanna distro hop a bit haha
[23:47] <Wafficus> jk, I still like Lubuntu a lot
[23:48] <Wafficus> I tried Puppy like a month ago, ugh, somethings so jenky about that
[23:48] <Wafficus> like i wanna like it for being able to run that fast, but damn, is the actual GUI menu just all over the place
[23:48] <wxl> that is the ugly underarm pimple of linux
[23:48] <Wafficus> at least ours is elegant
[23:48] <wxl> ANY other distro is better
[23:48] <Wafficus> wxl: I see you agree haha
[23:48] <Wafficus> wxl: What's your take on it?
[23:48] <wxl> it's gross and disgusting XD
[23:48] <Wafficus> wxl: I say its the menu that just isn't user friendly, its all over the place
[23:49] <wxl> under the hood it's just bizarre too
[23:49] <Wafficus> really?
[23:49] <Wafficus> btw how do you leave a channel in IRC?
[23:49] <Wafficus> just wanted to leave #linux for now
[23:49] <wxl>  /part #channel
[23:50] <Wafficus> I tried that
[23:50] <Wafficus> hmm
[23:50] <Wafficus> I tried /part ##linux
[23:50] <Wafficus> weird
[23:54] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T29: Calamares should support encryption, other file systems, etc.] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T29#1676


[14:34] <lotuspsychje> GunnarHj: i filed bug #1851028 and tomreyn suggested the dutch translation to the team, just letting you know
[14:43] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: Thanks. Would be good if you could make a note on the bug report about it, so the Dutch translators team gets notified (someone in that team has to approve it).
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> GunnarHj: how do i go about about that exactly? i dont deal with translations much
[14:45] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: Just add a comment and say the same thing as you did here.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> that tomreyn pushed a translate right?
[14:46] <GunnarHj> Precisely.
[14:46] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: Maybe you and/or tomreyn is interested in joining the Dutch translators team?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> ok and tnx for you adapt too GunnarHj
[14:46] <GunnarHj> np
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> GunnarHj: well you can add me if you like, tomreyn is german native
[14:49] <GunnarHj> lotuspsychje: I can't add you. You'd need to apply; it looks like only Hannie Dumoleyn has access to approve.
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> okay tnx


[10:49] <apw> cjwatson, that rings a bell there was an report of a missing _all package i think which got fixed, i thoguht the branches got respun, perhaps this is simple communication failure
[21:53] <kalith> Hello !
[21:53] <kalith> This is my first time using IRC, so please forgive me if I ever do something wrong (I'm also not a native english speaker).
[21:53] <kalith> Anyway, I'm here because I have a problem with a game controller that is not properly recognized.
[21:53] <kalith> Can somebody help me on this ? Should I file a bug report ?
[21:53] <kalith> Thank you for your time, and I hope I didn't disturb anybody.
[22:11] <jjohansen> kalith: yes please file a bug report
[22:11] <jjohansen> kalith: I suggest you plug the controller in and then from a terminal do
[22:11] <jjohansen> ubuntu-bug linux
[22:13] <kalith> jjohansen: thank you, I'll do that now.
[23:32] <kalith> jjohansen: bug report posted, thank you for your help ! (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/836335)
[23:32] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 836335 in linux "Sony Playstation 2 controller PC adaptator : buttons are not mapped correctly" [Undecided,New]


[01:43] <skellat> Hmm, something new to check out: http://www.linuxlifestyle.com/podcast-season-1-episode-1/
[01:43] <jenni> [ Podcast Season 1 Episode 1 | Linux Lifestyle ] - https://j.mp/1f40yOy
[22:10] <belkinsa> Congrats skellat!
[23:15] <jrgifford> skellat: Congrats!


[01:33] <fabbione> doko: ping?
[01:33] <doko> fabbione: pong
[01:34] <fabbione> doko: i just noticed the 2 gcc uploads.. is there anything specific like glibc that needs a rebuild?
[01:34] <doko> fabbione: no, I don't think so.
[01:35] <fabbione> doko: ok thanks dude


[13:10] <cyphermox_> cjwatson, I' m asking you because I think you know the most about uefi... is there a know issue with registering entries for uefi / secureboot in the daily image?
[13:10] <cyphermox_> last night I was getting errors; I'll try to reproduce them in a few minutes
[13:11] <cjwatson> not that I know of
[13:11] <cyphermox_> all I can remember right now is that I got an error with an hex number; was 0x80000008 , but I rather reproduce the error to be sure
[13:11] <cyphermox_> ok
[13:13] <stgraber> cyphermox_: I had a similar problem recently on another UEFI machine that had some "security" option in the firmware essentially making all the variables read-only
[13:15] <stgraber> cjwatson: hey there. Did you see my ping wrt grub tftp? Steve asked me for an update on this as it's going to be required for some testing in the lab (for UEFI desktop/servers automated install with/without SB)
[13:27] <cjwatson> stgraber: I haven't got any further; that said, in the meantime I've had what I think is a success report with 13.04 (indirectly, as part of bug 1158492) so I think the problem I'm seeing may just be with my machine
[13:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1158492 in grub2 (Ubuntu Precise) "Please backport upstream grub-mknetdir core generation improvements to Precise" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1158492
[13:28] <stgraber> cjwatson: ah, want me to retest with raring? (now that I have a working laptop again ;))
[13:29] <cjwatson> if you can, yes
[13:48] <stgraber> cjwatson: sorry... "couldn't send network packet."
[13:49] <stgraber> cjwatson: would getting you access to the grub shell be useful to you?
[13:56] <cjwatson> stgraber: ah, that's actually what I'm seeing here
[13:57] <cjwatson> so not really, I'll just try to clear away enough other things to get back to local debugging
[13:57] <stgraber> I have that on both my laptop and another UEFI box. grub, grub.cfg, ... all download fine but I'm getting that error when trying to grab the kernel
[14:08] <cjwatson> yeah, something horrible's wrong with the network layer
[14:36] <cyphermox_> cjwatson: I could reproduce, as soon as I'm out of the installer I'll file a bug and attach a screenshot.
[15:10] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, so basically you are suggesting that the UbuntuKylin team shouldn't work on Wubi (at all) right?
[15:11] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: we're considering dropping support for it for Ubuntu desktop
[15:11] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: so Kylin would be taking on a fair bit of independent work
[15:12] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, hmm OK.
[15:12] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: on something that historically has broken quite a bit and required significant amounts of hard staring by very experienced Ubuntu developers
[15:12] <cjwatson> I just question whether that's a good idea
[15:12] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, OK
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Well originally it would be easy (just add the UbuntuKylin flavour into the isolist.ini) but on the current circumstances that you guys are dropping it it would be more difficult
[15:14] <cjwatson> slangasek was going to announce something I think
[15:14] <cjwatson> I kind of didn't want to preempt his announcement on the bug report
[15:14] <smartboyhw> KIK
[15:14] <smartboyhw> s/KIK/LOL/
[15:15] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, but I think you DO have to warn the team. If not they will just come blibering about that
[15:16] <cjwatson> it's up to slangasek, he was the one pushing for dropping it
[15:16] <cjwatson> I mean unless he tells me to do it
[15:17] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, hmm so would it be a good idea to ask him? (Probably not I know, but then)
[15:17] <cjwatson> sure, go ahead
[15:31] <smartboyhw> cjwatson, he said it's fine to tell the UbuntuKylin team:)
[15:33] <smartboyhw> he = slangsek
[15:33] <smartboyhw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5637264/


[20:19] <neopsyche> sarawara are you running kylin?
[20:19] <sarawara> and i ‘dont know how to change that
[20:20] <sarawara> ubuntu 14。04 neapsyche
[20:20] <sarawara> neopsyche
[20:20] <angelina> sarawara thats what im going to call my website
[20:20] <angelina> but its going to be called neosike
[20:21] <sarawara> sorry i have difficuleties typeing 出色e
[20:21] <hicham> Hello. Anyone know how to eliminate tearing when moving windows on the desktop
[20:21] <sarawara> 哀乐承诺chinese
[20:21] <sarawara> igrrrrrr
[20:21] <sarawara> i dont wont toloose the possibility to type in chinese though
[20:22] <iegik> Running chat from rollapp :)
[20:22] <iegik> It runs Ubuntu!
[20:22] <angelina> im running ghostbsd
[20:23] <neopsyche> sarawara ubuntu 'kylin' is a special release for Chinese users.
[20:23] <cjoseph> Hi, I'm working on a programming project that involves running a menuconfig, and the menu pops up successfully but ncurses isn't interpreting the arrow keys correctly. Instead of moving the cursor, the escape code gets printed out underneath (^[OB, etc). I'm on 14.04 and have both libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev installed at the latest version. I'm
[20:23] <cjoseph>  using the US keyboard layout. The problem exists in the default graphical terminal emulator, as well as a full-screen non-GUI terminal.
[20:23] <neopsyche> If you downloaded kylin (maby)_ by mistake .. then that could be why
[20:23] <angelina> i might put ubuntu on a dvd and install it today but im looking for a complete linux os that will do everything i want it too
[20:23] <angelina> firewall virusscanner audio video converter
[20:25] <neopsyche> sarawara http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/ubuntu-kylin
[20:25] <angelina> i cant find that movie 2012 anywhere on the internet with nicolas cage
[20:25] <angelina> im trying to buy it i checked amazon.com and walmart.com couldnt find it
[20:25] <angelina> i dont download my movies off torrent or anything i buy my movies
[20:26] <angelina> torrents are viruses and movies are cheap anyways the ones i like to watch
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> angelina  restrict yourself to support questions
[20:26] <kostkon> angelina, #ubuntu-offtopic for non support queries. Thanks.
[20:26] <angelina> ok
[20:28] <adamretter> I have eth0 with both a static ipv4 and ipv6 address. I want to add a br0, should I put the bridge config into both the ipv4 and ipb6 definitions for br0, or just the ipv4 one?
[20:28] <hicham> Anyone have any tips to fix tearing on Ubuntu Mate 14.04 with ati gpu?
[20:29] <cliluw> I want to produce an nginx package (.deb) with a few minor code changes. What's the best way to do this? I would like to just copy the build log in Launchpad so that I can create a package nearly identical to the one in Ubuntu's repository.
[20:38] <Pici> cliluw: apt-get source nginx  will download the source packages ready for you to make your modifications.
[20:40] <hicham> any tips for tearing on the desktop
[20:40] <hicham> if i move a window over a fullscreen window there is no tearin
[20:41] <hicham> it only happens on windows against the desktop
[20:41] <sarawara> neopsyche, problem is solved (thanks to the dutch people, thanks for your attention anyway and have a good evening/day
[20:42] <neopsyche> keep well
[20:42] <sarawara> :)
[20:42] <cliluw> Pici: Ok, after I've made my changes, what do I do then?
[20:43] <Pici> cliluw: You may want to take a look at the Ubuntu packaging guide, its a bit complicated: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[20:43] <brainfull> Hi there - I just finished a second fresh install of Ubuntu, downgrading to 14.04.1 from .2 on an older netbook (I downgraded trying to avoid bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa-lts-utopic/+bug/1424059). I disabled all auto-updates except for security updates.
[20:43] <Pici> Also, I forget until I need to do it again every few monhts.
[20:43] <brainfull> However now I'm immediately blocked again - `sudo apt-get update; apt-get install openssh-server` tells me "Some packages could not be installed" ... unmet dependencies: openssh-server depends on openssh-client (= 1:6.6p1-2ubuntu1). "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
[20:44] <brainfull> any advice would be appreciated
[20:44] <thelongdark> brainfull,  broken pkg perhaps? try purging?
[20:45] <k1l> brainfull: dont block the updates. just dont use the enablement stack
[20:46] <brainfull> thelongdark: I haven't manually installed anything else yet. How do I purge?
[20:46] <thelongdark> brainfull,  sudo apt-get purge <pkgname> if you know whats broken - can run check first to see if anything is borked
[20:47] <brainfull> k1l: I'm not familiar with that term. I just went to settings -> updates and unchecked everything except security. what do you recommend instead to prevent auto-updating to 14.04.2 ?
[20:47] <k1l> brainfull: you know of the enablement stack?
[20:48] <brainfull> k1l: no I don't. I only have cursory knowledge of linux/ubuntu
[20:48] <kokut> Hello, i'm looking at the .bash_history file but i'm pretty sure theres plenty of commands i've run that are not showing up, is there a date/amount limit?
[20:48] <h00k> Tm_T: nice hat
[20:48] <k1l> brainfull: its the "backports" kernel and xserver stuff from like 14.10. that is enabled as default when you install with a 10.04.2 iso. but if you have a 14.04(.1) then it will not upgrade the kernel and xserver on its own.
[20:49] <k1l> kokut: it gets written when you close the terminal/log out of tty
[20:49] <kokut> k1l: but is there a limit?
[20:50] <k1l> kokut: yes, but a real big one
[20:50] <kokut> k1l: how big?
[20:51] <brainfull> thelongdark: `sudo apt-get check` didn't show anything wrong. does that imply a purge won't help?
[20:51] <hicham> There is no fix for desktop tearing on linux!?!?!?!?
[20:51] <k1l> kokut: see "man bash" and search for "HISTFILESIZE"
[20:51] <thelongdark> brainfull,  yeah
[20:52] <k1l> kokut: its set in .bashrc
[20:53] <kokut> k1l: it says 1000, thats the amount of lines or what?
[20:53] <kokut> if it's lines then it's not that big
[20:54] <EriC^> yeah it's lines
[20:54] <EriC^> mine is 2000
[20:54] <EriC^> type echo $HISTFILESIZE
[20:54] <brainfull> k1l: from your comment and from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack, it sounds like the enablement stack is *not* on my system since I installed from a 14.04.1 iso - is that correct?
[20:55] <k1l> brainfull: that is what i said, yes.
[20:55] <brainfull> ok thanks, just making sure I don't need to do anything extra
[20:55] <hicham> hi EriC^
[20:55] <hicham> do you know how to fix tearing?
[20:55] <k1l> brainfull: and it seems the bug is made from the enablement stack. so no need to reduce updates since you need to manually install the enablement stack to be activated
[20:56] <d3sk1ng> What do you think about ubuntu server on ARM (raspberry pi 2)?
[20:56] <k1l> d3sk1ng: #ubuntu-arm is a better place for that
[20:57] <d3sk1ng> thanks
[20:57] <OerHeks> rasp pi 2 can run server 32 bit
[20:57] <EriC^> kokut: i think default is 2000, it's pretty big
[20:58] <EriC^> hicham: no idea, maybe try a different graphics driver?
[20:58] <kokut> EriC^: but 2000 what?
[20:58] <EriC^> lines
[20:58] <EriC^> type history in your shell
[20:58] <kokut> then its not big enough for me
[20:58] <EriC^> it'll say how many are there
[20:58] <EriC^> has it reached 2000 yet?
[20:58] <kokut> i dont care if i have a 200mb history file size i need all the history
[20:58] <kokut> yea, its not that much
[20:59] <EriC^> kokut: ok, set it to to whatever you want then
[20:59] <EriC^> HISTFILESIZE=<whatever> and add it to .bashrc
[20:59] <hicham> EriC^: I'll try to get the proprietary one but I don't think it's available
[20:59] <kokut> just added 2 zeros to it, hope it works
[20:59] <qdii> hey guys. whenever I start gdm, /etc/X11/xorg.conf gets overwritten. Why?
[21:00] <EriC^> it's already in .bashrc set to 2000
[21:00] <kokut> yea
[21:01] <OerHeks> unlimited bash history =-1 ??? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9457233/unlimited-bash-history
[21:02] <EriC^> kokut: man bash mentions setting a negative numeric value to have no limit for it, back up your .bash_history maybe and test it out
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> kokut: you can treat it like a text file so you can tail it to take however many lines you like to a temp file then cat back to the history file.
[21:05] <kokut> EriC^: oh thats pretty neat
[21:06] <kokut> i just set it to -10
[21:06] <kokut> hope it works
[21:07] <vastkahuna> Is there a task manager in ubuntu?
[21:07] <k1l> vastkahuna: called "system monitor"
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> vastkahuna  system monitor
[21:07] <MonkeyDust> k1l  was faster
[21:07] <OerHeks> vastkahuna, open terminal: top
[21:08] <vastkahuna> So open the terminal and input what command?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> vastkahuna  yes, or alt-f2 and then the command
[21:09] <leolho> hello everyone, im quiet new to linux and installed xubuntu on my lenovo u430 touch. I have a problem with the screen always dimming during watching videos in fullscreen. Does anybody know how to fix that
[21:09] <k1l> vastkahuna: top, htop. or start "system monitor"
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> leolho  is there no settin in your video player, that handles that?
[21:11] <leolho> MonkeyDust: Im mostly watching online with flash. And i read that xfce has moved to lightsaver or something like that. any connection to that?
[21:11] <bprompt> leolho:     usually, as MonkeyDust  suggested, the video player has an option to "disable the screensaver" or such
[21:12] <kostkon> leolho, for flash videos only option is to use this https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[21:13] <leolho> kostkon: thanks for your answer. i installed caffeine. It doesnt work on xubuntu 14.04. i cant open the preferences
[21:13] <vastkahuna> Will this allow me to check the performance of my cpu, memory, etc. ?
[21:14] <k1l> vastkahuna: every one of the commands mentioned to you several times now, can do that. so please just test what suits you best.
[21:14] <OerHeks> you might want to look at lmsensors too
[21:14] <OerHeks> !lmsensors
[21:14] <kostkon> leolho, not sure why that's happening but you could go ahead and see if it works nevertheless
[21:15] <leolho> i tried that. it didn't work unfortunately
[21:16] <leolho> Since i'm very new to linux i have a second question. i have a lenovo u430 touch and i'm looking for a good battery life. do you think it was a good idea to install xubuntu or is the change between DE minor?
[21:18] <OerHeks> leolho, xubuntu is pretty lightweight, so better battery life i guess
[21:19] <kostkon> leolho, you are right, it doesn't work on xubuntu as of yet because of the switch to lightlocker as you said https://bugs.launchpad.net/caffeine/+bug/1315127 , so I apologise for recommending it to you without checking first
[21:19] <leolho> ok thanks! any further ideas about the screensaver issue
[21:21] <BitName> Do I need a driver to get the DisplayPort working properly using Intel HD4000 Graphics?
[21:25] <brainfull> k1l: I allowed updates and upgraded everything, and now things seems to be installing smoothly. thanks for your help!
[21:38] <Umeaboy> For what reason does 14.10 use 3.10.4 as gEdit version when 3.16.1 is the latest?
[21:39] <Umeaboy> My version freezes when I want to add my credentials.
[21:39] <bekks> Umeaboy: For the reason of not shipping the latest, greatest, dancing on the bleeding edge.
[21:39] <cemg> hi guys, i formatted my hard drive with dd , how can i get back my files ?
[21:40] <Umeaboy> bekks: I thought Canonical was about that.
[21:40] <bekks> cemg: Restore your backup.
[21:40] <bekks> Umeaboy: Nope.
[21:40] <Umeaboy> OK.
[21:40] <cemg> how can i do bekks ?
[21:40] <Umeaboy> Trying to install the deps for it to see if it helps building a newer version of it.
[21:41] <daftykins> cemg: what did you run specifically?
[21:41] <bekks> cemg: I dont know how you created your backup before, so I cant answer that.
[21:41] <cemg> i didint back up anything
[21:41]  * salvum looks down
[21:41] <MonkeyDust> it really should be mentioned on ubuntu.com, to alwys make a backup
[21:41] <bekks> cemg: Which dd command did you run specifically?
[21:42] <cemg> i was trying to install linux on my usb , but i formatted wrong hard drive by mistake
[21:42] <bekks> MonkeyDust: It should be disallowed to login with a backup ;)
[21:42] <bekks> cemg: Which dd command did you run specifically?
[21:42] <daftykins> cemg: you can probably rescue your data with 'testdisk' then
[21:42] <cemg> sudo dd bs=4m if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdc
[21:42] <bekks> MonkeyDust: *without
[21:45] <Jordan_U> cemg: Did /dev/sdc have more than one partition?
[21:45] <cemg_> guys , how can i use testdisk to recovery
[21:45] <kostkon> !recover
[21:45] <kostkon> cemg, hope that helps
[21:47] <cemg_> k
[21:47] <Jordan_U> cemg: Did /dev/sdc have more than one partition?
[21:49] <Umeaboy> *** No GTK-Doc found, please install it ***. I did install both libgtk+3.0-dev and libgtk-3-doc and it still says it's missing.
[21:49] <Umeaboy> Anything useful I missed?
[21:49] <cemg_> it was external hard drive
[21:50] <Jordan_U> cemg: Did /dev/sdc have more than one partition? If you don't understand the question then please say so and I can try to rephrase it. Please don't just ignore it though.
[21:50] <cemg_> no , it didnt
[21:51] <Umeaboy> Found it!
[21:56] <Jordan_U> cemg_: OK, that means that you probably won't be able to recover the entire filesystem, and will probably have to use photorec to recover what you can. Note that photorec will not recover all files, and will not retain file names or paths.
[22:04] <irreverant> someone just told me that they listen to techy icasts and they said that most linux ppl don't even consider ubuntu linux anymore
[22:04] <irreverant> that it goes to far away from the "norm"
[22:04] <irreverant> is this true?
[22:04] <daftykins> Linux is the kernel, so that person is uneducated.
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> irreverant  discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:04] <irreverant> how is that offtopic?
[22:05] <irreverant> it's about ubuntu.
[22:05] <irreverant> also; doe ubuntu support hurd?
[22:05] <daftykins> this is support only.
[22:05] <Umeaboy> irreverant: I use both Mageia and Ubuntu.
[22:05] <irreverant> ok does Ubuntu work well with Lenovo Yoga 2's?
[22:05] <Umeaboy> Cinnamon in both thou.
[22:05] <daftykins> plenty of guides online refer to yoga compatibility
[22:05] <Umeaboy> irreverant: That's a tablet-PC, no?
[22:05] <irreverant> it's an ultra book!
[22:06] <irreverant> yes it's a tablet Pc; or rather a touchscreen ultrabook; one of those convertibles where the keyboard flips all the way to the back so it can work as a tablet
[22:06] <daftykins> it's a laptop that can also be folded into tablet modes, so technically it's a form of hybrid
[22:07] <Naughx> On what architecture does they run on? ARM?
[22:07] <Umeaboy> Yeah. It's not up to us to say wether it works good or not with Ubuntu. Look on YT for videos on the subject.
[22:07] <OerHeks> Yoga 2 or Yoga 2 pro ?
[22:07] <daftykins> does what? Yogas are x86
[22:07] <Naughx> Oh.
[22:08] <irreverant> no they are not this is a i7 64bit
[22:08] <irreverant> with 8gb ram
[22:08] <daftykins> yes which is x86.
[22:08] <Naughx> x86_x64
[22:08] <irreverant> no i believe you're wrong x86 is limited to 4 gb of addressable ram
[22:09] <daftykins> you need to look up what x86 means :)
[22:09] <EriC^> amd64 x.X HAH!
[22:09] <irreverant> yes it's intel architecture
[22:09] <daftykins> no it's not intel specific, anyway we're going off topic
[22:09] <Naughx> well amd64/intel64 is based on x86
[22:09] <daftykins> irreverant: you have much to learn grasshopper, but for here, it is ubuntu support only.
[22:09] <irreverant> daftykins, you need to be more specific because x86 generally is understood as 32bit
[22:09] <OerHeks> http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/lenovo/yoga-laptop-series/yoga-laptop-2-pro/#tab-tech_specs
[22:09] <daftykins> irreverant: no you just aren't familiar with the topic :)
[22:09] <irreverant> yes daftykins well i'm asking because i'm attempting to determine if installing ubuntu natively or wubi is better
[22:10] <irreverant> is that offtopic?
[22:10] <EriC^> wubi is always not better
[22:10] <daftykins> WUBI is dead. don't use it
[22:10] <irreverant> why do they offer it still with the download?
[22:10] <daftykins> to trick you.
[22:10] <EriC^> i think it's political
[22:10] <OerHeks> irreverant, so what issue do you run into with ubuntu?
[22:10] <OerHeks> try live mode, not wubi
[22:10] <irreverant> well i have the bios set to legacy mode
[22:11] <irreverant> because it was having an issue with uefi
[22:11] <irreverant> also the windows key is hardcoded into the cmos
[22:11] <daftykins> you still haven't stated an ubuntu support query?
[22:11] <EriC^> :D
[22:11] <daftykins> 1) what isn't working? 2) what have you tried?
[22:12] <irreverant> is the entire cd an iso?
[22:12] <bekks> irreverant: What else could it be?
[22:12] <irreverant> ok i tried using 10.04 live cd on the computer and it wouldn't load
[22:12] <daftykins> the ISO is an image for DVDs or USB flash drives
[22:12] <genii> !doesntwork
[22:12] <daftykins> 10.04 is dead.
[22:12] <irreverant> I downloaded the desktop from ubuntu.com and was expecting a rar of the iso but instead i have a bunch of directories
[22:12] <joshh20> Any idea why 'iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DROP' is making connections from <IP_ADDRESS> drop to my database?
[22:12] <irreverant> where can i find a iso image?
[22:13] <kostkon> !iso
[22:13] <daftykins> irreverant: it is an ISO, .ISO files are just automatically associated with winRAR on your Windows computer.
[22:13] <kostkon> wrong factoid
[22:13] <bekks> joshh20: Destination port 3306, drop it.
[22:14] <joshh20> bekks, how can I still allow local connections to it though?
[22:14] <irreverant> ok so daftykins then i can download the 14.04.2-desktop-i386.iso
[22:14] <irreverant> how can i find the different between 32bit and 64bit i386
[22:14] <bekks> joshh20: Establish a rule that allow it before your general rule that drops everything else. OR just use a socket for mysql connections, instead of an IP connection.
[22:14] <daftykins> irreverant: what is the file name of the existing file?
[22:15] <daftykins> irreverant: i386 is the 32-bit ISO.
[22:15] <irreverant> ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64
[22:15] <daftykins> irreverant: yeah, you need to go into folder options on your Windows system and unhide file extensions, then you'll see it's an ISO.
[22:15] <irreverant> will the amd64 run on an intel processor?
[22:15] <daftykins> yes.
[22:15] <OerHeks> irreverant, this page may be a help for yoga 2 pro http://askubuntu.com/a/485632
[22:15] <daftykins> it is an instruction set reference
[22:16] <irreverant> i'm sorry it's not a yoga 2 it's the first gen yoga i apolgoize about the information incorrectly
[22:16] <daftykins> such inaccuracy makes me a sad penguin, but i will live
[22:16] <OerHeks> first gen yoga with i7 ?
[22:16] <joshh20> bekks, I tried 'iptables -I INPUT 2 -s <IP_ADDRESS> -j ACCEPT' and still that doesnt allow it
[22:17] <bekks> joshh20: I suggest using a socket connection.
[22:17] <b00b00> hello
[22:17] <joshh20> bekks I would, but the problem is that phpBB doesn't support that
[22:17] <b00b00> i installed vnc server on ubuntu, and when connecting in clicking a few chars like "s" bringing menue, how can i get rid of that?
[22:18] <bekks> joshh20: Could you show me your first rule again please, my client refuses to scroll up
[22:18] <irreverant> daftykins, i see that it's an rar iso archive file
[22:18] <joshh20> bekks, thats arlight, its 'iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 3306 -j DROP'
[22:19] <irreverant> but when i uncompress it it extracts the folders into individual directories rather than just having a single.iso file
[22:19] <irreverant> i'm trying to burn it from a windows 7 box using free iso burner
[22:19] <boax> hello
[22:19] <boax> i found a critical bug in 15.04!!!
[22:19] <boax> any dev here?
[22:19] <bekks> joshh20: So try this rule being put before your rule: iptabled -A INPUT -p tcp -s <IP_ADDRESS> --dport 3306 -j ACCEPT
[22:20] <bekks> joshh20: Or drop the --dport to allow all connections from localhost
[22:20] <thegrreat> Hello i changed my default boot into splash text but the screen dont fit my TV Display how can i change it ?
[22:20] <daftykins> irreverant: it can be opened with WinRAR, that is the only connection between ISOs and RAR :)
[22:20] <daftykins> irreverant: imgburn is great for such a task. but if you have a USB flash drive, that will be 1 million times better than DVD
[22:21] <thegrreat> Since i changed the default startup to splash text I dont have any gui to change the Display size Is there anyway to do it from terminal ?
[22:21] <irreverant> really?
[22:21] <irreverant> will it boot from the usb drive if it's also a storage device?
[22:21] <joshh20> bekks, I already tried that
[22:21] <thegrreat> Can someone help me ? XD
[22:21] <irreverant> what i mean is if there are other files not just the ubuntu OS
[22:21] <ovi> lol
[22:21] <Naughx> I use SD cards to boot. :P
[22:22] <Naughx> It works too.
[22:22] <_X_C_V_B_> how I set proxy settings on xubuntu
[22:22] <ovi> interesting chat
[22:22] <irreverant> and ubuntu uses apt-get right?
[22:22] <thegrreat> Yes
[22:22] <irreverant> not debian packages
[22:22] <Naughx> or dpkg
[22:22] <irreverant> so no yum-install
[22:22] <ovi> sudo apt-get install porn videos
[22:22] <awesomess3> or aptitude
[22:22] <daftykins> irreverant: you ned to format it ideally
[22:23] <daftykins> ovi: no childish remarks please, ask a support question if you have one :)
[22:23] <Naughx> Well.. some debian packages works on ubuntu... if it has the same dependency.
[22:23] <ovi> no questions, im not new to linux
[22:23]  * awesomess3 slaps ovi's hand with a trout
[22:23] <thegrreat> Can someone help me with my problem ?XD
[22:23] <ovi> since when is porn childish?
[22:23] <irreverant> what i'd like to do ideally is dual boot it
[22:24] <thegrreat> Since now becuse it's not relative to this channel
[22:24] <irreverant> but i'm unfamiliar with setting up ubuntu with a windows 8.1 box
[22:24] <irreverant> does it use lilo?
[22:24] <irreverant> or grub?
[22:24] <kostkon> ovi, your remark not the subject of your remark was childish
[22:24] <ovi> same think
[22:24] <kostkon> ovi, anyway, this is a channel strictly for support
[22:24] <thegrreat> Is it a good sign that my fan just shut off after using ubuntu 3 weeks ?
[22:24] <ovi> thing*
[22:25] <daftykins> irreverant: GRUB.
[22:25] <daftykins> LILO is ancient
[22:25] <irreverant> yeah that's how long ago i used linux
[22:25] <irreverant> mandriva was called mandrake
[22:25] <ovi> i thought it was a chat room, now i feel dissapointed
[22:25] <thegrreat> Is there any ubuntu terminal command to get info about the computer fan ? XD
[22:25] <thegrreat> I really need to know if it works
[22:26] <kostkon> ovi, there's #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[22:26] <thegrreat> It just shut of after 3 week using ubuntu
[22:26] <ovi> no theres no command to know fan speed
[22:26] <awesomess3> ovi, you also have ##chat, ##etc, and ##chanzilla
[22:26] <thegrreat> Not fan speed i mean computer temp
[22:26] <ovi> maybe a 3rd part app might help
[22:26] <irreverant> daftykins, i've read there could be issues with UEFI, Windows 8.1 and dual booting Ubuntu
[22:26] <daftykins> thegrreat: lmsensors
[22:26] <ovi> oh
[22:26] <daftykins> irreverant: it requires some thought yes, but it's easy to do
[22:27] <geekmasterflash> UEFI doesn't play well with dual booting, but it's possible.
[22:27] <awesomess3> irreverant, daftykins I boot my LiveUSB Xubuntu 14.04 with UEFI and it works fine.
[22:27] <thegrreat> Is it normal that the fan does not do anything when booting into splash text instead of the desktop ?
[22:27] <thegrreat> It's so silence never heard my computer like this before..
[22:27] <ovi> no its not
[22:28] <Naughx> does the fans still rotate?
[22:28] <thegrreat> nope
[22:28] <thegrreat> now it turnt on again
[22:28] <ovi> change laptop
[22:28] <thegrreat> turned on
[22:28] <ovi> its broken
[22:28] <ovi> buy a mac
[22:28] <thegrreat> And it made that beep sound when computer starts
[22:28] <ovi> thats what i did
[22:28] <Naughx> Mac what?
[22:28] <awesomess3> you're gonna have to spin the fan with your hands
[22:28] <ovi> i bought a mac only to install linux on it
[22:29] <thegrreat> I did not have this problem until i changed default boot into splash text
[22:29] <Naughx> Overpriced stuff... I don't like to buy the apple logo.
[22:29] <thegrreat> Well i installed ubuntu on my mac first  but i broke the charger so xD
[22:29] <ovi> still
[22:29] <ovi> its good to put linux on it :))
[22:29] <daftykins> take the chat elsewhere please people.
[22:30] <thegrreat> Well right now im chatting about fan problem...
[22:30] <ovi> how can u brake the charger?>
[22:30] <thegrreat> My fan is acting wierd xD
[22:30] <ovi> dafty u can move along
[22:30] <Naughx> Open your comp and clean the fans.
[22:30] <daftykins> ovi: grow up :)
[22:30] <thegrreat> First it did not work and now it turned on and i heard that beepsound when the computer starts
[22:30] <awesomess3> grow down
[22:31] <ovi> help me
[22:31] <ovi> grow
[22:31] <geekmasterflash> Is it one long beep?
[22:31] <geekmasterflash> A short beep?
[22:31] <thegrreat> not a long beep just a short one
[22:31] <awesomess3> ovi, read self-help books :D
[22:31] <ovi> no no
[22:31] <ovi> that would ruin the fun!
[22:31] <thegrreat> And note this only happened after changing default boot into splash text
[22:31] <geekmasterflash> The fact your fans are not moving would indicate you have a problem with power or your processor
[22:31] <geekmasterflash> The beep should tell you which
[22:31] <thegrreat> The fan is moving right now
[22:31] <daftykins> geekmasterflash: 100% incorrect
[22:32] <thegrreat> So right now im booted into terminal
[22:33] <geekmasterflash> Oh, it's actually booting up? Then check the fans are plugged in and clean
[22:33] <daftykins> consider the channel ##hardware for such queries
[22:34] <thegrreat> and now the fan stop again...
[22:34] <thegrreat> the computer is not hot or anything
[22:34] <daftykins> lmsensors would prove that.
[22:34] <thegrreat> im booting into the ubuntu desktop agian
[22:34] <awesomess3> thegrreat, maybe the CPU uses more heat when on the desktop mode.
[22:34] <awesomess3> I'm 4% sure that's the problem.
[22:35] <EriC^> 4%?
[22:35] <awesomess3> it's better than 2% *shrugs*
[22:35] <bekks> There's a probability at least ;)
[22:36] <EriC^> why not 5%?
[22:36] <EriC^> lol
[22:36] <awesomess3> when I buy milk I get 4%
[22:36] <bekks> That would be too much :D
[22:36] <irreverant> WOW! ok
[22:36] <irreverant> So I am testing it out in VMWare Player and apparently a bunch of devices are not supported or actionable upon the install session
[22:37] <irreverant> that sucks
[22:37] <daftykins> like what...
[22:37] <awesomess3> the hard drives?
[22:37] <irreverant> I'll have to start the vm again here after it boots but the touchscreen and 5 other items
[22:37] <irreverant> i should have purchased that dell developers xps 13inch machine
[22:37] <irreverant> that comes pre loaded with ubuntu
[22:37] <thegrrea1> Im back
[22:38] <bekks> irreverant: You do know that VMware Player does NOT pass through all your real hardware to a VM?
[22:38] <daftykins> irreverant: why would a touchscreen work with a VM...
[22:38] <thegrrea1> When booted into ubuntu desktop the fans works normal
[22:38] <irreverant> yeah i know they don't pass through all devices but it's good about passing most of them through without problems
[22:38] <EriC^> thegrrea1: if you type sensors it should say the cpu temp
[22:39] <EriC^> i think it's installed by default
[22:39] <irreverant> passthrough for my touchscreen on my win 7 vm is not a problem
[22:39] <daftykins> irreverant: you cannot test a laptop out for ubuntu from inside a VM
[22:39] <bekks> irreverant: Well, look at the settings of your VM and you know which devices are seen by your VM.
[22:40] <thegrrea1> so wich of all my 4 temps should i look at ?
[22:40] <EriC^> are any really high?
[22:41] <EriC^> mine are anywhere between 40-60
[22:41] <thegrrea1> mine is at 46
[22:41] <EriC^> that's pretty low
[22:41] <thegrrea1> but one of the temps says n/a
[22:42] <awesomess3> thegrrea1, why do you care about when the fan is blowing? it'll blow when it wants to blow
[22:42] <EriC^> when the fan turns on, check sensors to see if the value changed
[22:42] <thegrrea1> Adapter: Virtual device
[22:42] <thegrrea1> temp1:        +45.0°C  (crit = +103.0°C)
[22:42] <thegrrea1> coretemp-isa-0000
[22:42] <thegrrea1> Adapter: ISA adapter
[22:42] <thegrrea1> Physical id 0:  +46.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[22:42] <thegrrea1> Core 0:         +45.0°C  (high = +100.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[22:42] <kostkon> !paste | thegrrea1
[22:43] <iksf> quit
[22:44] <thegrrea1> heres the temps http://paste.ubuntu.com/10863704/ is they alright ?
[22:44] <architbaweja> is there a way to install an ubuntu package's latest patch version, while specifying only the major+minor version? something like `sudo apt-get install libcouchbase2-core=2.4.*` ?
[22:44] <EriC^> thegrrea1: yeah they are fine, the n/a one is for the gpu
[22:45] <thegrrea1> But why did the fans start and shutdown all the time when booting into Splash text mode +
[22:45] <thegrrea1> ?
[22:45] <bekks> architbaweja: When running apt-get install, the latest version is chosen automagically
[22:46] <EriC^> thegrrea1: you mean grub?
[22:46] <thegrrea1> I changed the default grub boot settings into Splash text
[22:46] <thegrrea1> So i booted into terminal
[22:46] <thegrrea1> But i guess my computer did not like it..
[22:46] <thegrrea1> Sorry for my english tho :P
[22:47] <irreverant> devices not passed through
[22:47] <nillawafer> thegrreal: because the cpu isn't working as hard in text mode
[22:47] <irreverant> elan touchscreen, realtek camera, stmicroelectronics st sensore hub and wacom sid-v4
[22:47] <bekks> irreverant: It doesnt happen automagically.
[22:48] <bekks> irreverant: Sensors are never passed through, since they are connected to the SMbus
[22:48] <daftykins> irreverant: boot ubuntu to test it natively.
[22:48] <EriC^> thegrrea1: no problem
[22:48] <bekks> irreverant: Test it natively.
[22:48] <EriC^> thegrrea1: i dont know why it overheated in text mode, that's odd
[22:48] <thegrrea1> Nillawafer so i should not be afraid of booting into Splash text mode ?
[22:48] <thegrrea1> It did not overheat in text mode
[22:48] <thegrrea1> But the fans just start and shutdown at random points
[22:48] <EriC^> i thought you said the fans got really loud?
[22:48] <irreverant> yes i'm burning the iso now
[22:48] <nillawafer> thegrreal: Desktop Environments are going to be more cpu intensive, which will cause the fans to work harder to keep the cpu temp down.
[22:49] <tripelb> I have a technical muddle.System is dark, even in failsafe-graphics mode. (until the letters at forced logoff shutdown) Ubuntu 14.04 system with Nvidia card that freezes with open source nouveau driver (known Problem. BUT it worked in failsafe.) was replaced with some Nvidia prop. driver from Ubuntu software. That brought the darkness..
[22:49] <EriC^> nillawafer: he's saying in text mode the fan would start and turn off a lot
[22:49] <thegrrea1> exact EriC
[22:49] <thegrrea1> Exactly *
[22:50] <tripelb> Precisely
[22:50] <EriC^> 4% accurate
[22:50] <tripelb> Accurately
[22:50] <tripelb> lol
[22:50] <thegrrea1> This is way to much english for me xD
[22:50] <daftykins> tripelb: which 'card' / chip?
[22:51] <thegrrea1> I guess i stick to the default boot settings instead of using splash text i dont want to risk my computer caught fire.
[22:51] <maddawg2> excuse me... how do I find internet explorer?
[22:51] <maddawg2> i need it
[22:51]  * EriC^ dies
[22:52] <maddawg2> it's the best browser out there
[22:52] <thegrrea1> Theres no internet explorer for ubuntu <3
[22:52] <thegrrea1> To much trolling going on here ?
[22:52] <EriC^> maddawg2: thank you, that was great
[22:52] <tripelb> hi daftykins It is the quadro FX something which is. 3250 or 60? IIR. - can I see by looking at the physical card?
[22:52] <maddawg2> but how do i get microsoft updates?
[22:52]  * nillawafer wut?
[22:52] <daftykins> maddawg2: better than you have tried, goodbye now
[22:53] <thegrrea1> maddawg2 you install windows and realize you should go back to ubuntu
[22:53] <thegrrea1> That's how you do it
[22:53] <kostkon> don't feed the trolls!
[22:54]  * EriC^ puts the Dont Feed The Trolls sign up
[22:54] <EriC^> *Not responsible for lost items
[22:54]  * thegrrea1 is responsible for feeding the troll
[22:55] <thegrrea1> is there anyway i can make so the sensor command updates by it self in the terminal ?
[22:55] <thegrrea1> So i dont have to rewrite the command to see the temps ?
[22:56] <bekks> Trendrrrr: No.
[22:56] <bekks> GNA
[22:56] <bekks> thegrrea1: No :)
[22:56] <bekks> Press arrow up and press enter.
[22:56] <thegrrea1> ok thanks for the answer tho :P
[22:57] <thegrrea1> Im glad theres a irc channel for ubuntu otherwise i would be stuck at everything xDD
[22:57] <Finetundra> hello folks, is it safe to use PPA's originally meant for another *buntu distro?
[22:57] <bekks> Finetundra: No.
[22:58] <nillawafer> thegrreal: use this command-  watch -n10 sensors
[22:58] <Finetundra> bekks, what issues can it cause?
[22:58] <eugeni> hi
[22:58] <bekks> Finetundra: Breaking your system entirely.
[22:58] <nillawafer> thegrreal: it will repeat the sensor command every 10 seconds. You can change the 10 to any number to change number of seconds.
[22:59] <EriC^> thegrrea1: just install psensors, it's pretty awesome
[22:59] <thegrrea1> Nillawafer thanks
[23:00] <tripelb> daftykins, it is an NVIDIA quadro fx 3450
[23:00] <nillawafer> thegrreal: no problem
[23:00] <daftykins> ah quadro.
[23:06] <Finetundra> I'm sorry, flavor not distro
[23:06] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Nvidia recommends the 304 driver . http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us .
[23:07] <bekks> Finetundra: Which flavor exactly?
[23:08] <Finetundra> lubuntu
[23:09] <bekks> Finetundra: PPA arent designed for specific flavours.
[23:09] <thegrrea1> how much is high temp usually on the fan/computer.
[23:09] <tripelb> Bashing-om, yes. that may do. I also found http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-nvidia-geforce-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-using-ppa/ BUT my problem is that the screen is always black.. even in safegrapics
[23:09] <Finetundra> bekks, good to know. thank you sir
[23:10] <bekks> thegrrea1: Depends on the hardware, cooling, usage.
[23:10] <thegrrea1> Cuz already at 59 when only having one terminal open and firefox.
[23:10] <EriC^> thegrrea1: pretty normal
[23:11] <tripelb> 14.04 How do I change the graphics driver on the HD if I am booted up from a liveCD?
[23:11] <tripelb> What if I want to add something to Ubottu?
[23:12] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Might try booting to terminal (TTY1), purging all Nvidia drivers and see if you come up on the open source driver . Then make adjustments ?
[23:14] <Jordan_U> tripelb: If you "/msg ubottu !factoid is <reply> Factoid is an example of a factoid you might want added" then your request will be forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. You can just join #ubuntu-ops and ask yourself also.
[23:15] <tripelb> Bashing-om, excellent. How does one "purge all nvidia drivers. How does one boot up to terminal? (sorry, after 9 years using ubuntu it is a testimony to ubuntu that I didnt have to know any of this - it was all good till 2012 and then ubuntu got flaky)
[23:16] <derekc> If anyone wants a Google inbox invite I have 2 of them left. PM with your email and Ill send it
[23:18] <Bashing-om> tripelb: In small steps . at grub's boot menu; 'e' key for edit mode -> boot parametrs screen; arrow down to the line containing "quiet splash" and replace with the term 'text' - with out the quotes - . key combo ctl+x to continue the boot process to TTY1 . Login here with user name and pass word . TBC
[23:23] <tripelb> Bashing-om, that sounds good but replace WHAT? with the word> text
[23:24] <KDFAMD> theres more chat going on on ##windows channel that in here and they only have half the users
[23:24] <tripelb> thanks KDFAMD
[23:25] <KDFAMD> your wellcome
[23:25] <KDFAMD> make it 1/3 the users
[23:27] <Bashing-om> tripelb: In that boot parameters screen you see the line similar " linux    /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-24-generic root=UUID=217ed9a7-e11a-4e32-8c05-992e8c8932b6 ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff " arrow across to the terms "quiet splash" and replace these terms withthe term  text .
[23:33] <Bashing-om> tripelb: ^^ are you caught up to that point ? and booted into the system ?
[23:45] <thegrreat> is there anyway to start executable files from splash text mode terminal ?
[23:45] <hkrrsx> baaaaack
[23:45] <tripelb> Bashing-om, we will have to wait. I am in the linux user group room here and on onother computer. there are "many" here. I have to wrangle a monitor kb and mouse and cords for it. meanwhile I need to take stuff off my phone from one of the other working computers. alas I will try to remember all this. I made a gedit file of what you said so far. thanks.
[23:46] <Rastart> hello.how to disable windows network from my ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[23:46] <Rastart> (please).
[23:47] <ryan_46> derek+
[23:47] <Bashing-om> tripelb: At your liesure. If when you get caught up and I am not on here ... many others can assist in this . ubuntu -> open source at it's best .
[23:47] <Jordan_U> Rastart: What do you mean by "disable windows network"? What is your end goal? What happens now that you don't want to happen?
[23:49] <thegrrea1> Is there anyway to start Display from terminal ?
[23:49] <thegrrea1> Cuz right now it says No display found, cant open display..
[23:49] <Rastart> Jordan_U: i'm not in the windows network and it keep showing me the network workgroup. i would like to disable that stuff.cause i don't use network.
[23:49] <Jordan_U> thegrreat: I'm not sure what you mean by "splash text mode terminal", but you can start lightdm (the GUI login manager) from a tty by running "sudo service lightdm start".
[23:49] <Rastart> nore the workgroup
[23:50] <MrEikono> hey everyone!
[23:50] <Jordan_U> Rastart: Where are you seeing anything about a Windows network or workgroup?
[23:50] <thegrrea1> Jordan_U Splash text is booting into terminal, thats what i mean :P
[23:50] <MrEikono> Haven't been on here or the OS in a while, but Vivid's coming out in two days, so I might as well ^-^
[23:51] <MrEikono> I have a question - Where can I find Ubuntu's source code?
[23:51] <somsip> MrEikono: in the source packages
[23:51] <MrEikono> somsip: what command do I run for those?
[23:51] <Jordan_U> MrEikono: For any given package "apt-get source packagename" will download that packages source package into your current directory (does *not* need to be run as root).
[23:52] <Rastart> in files: net /net explorer or something like that dunno how it is called in english
[23:52] <cluelessperson> Question, is there a way to create an SSH key to allow a user to SFTP into one directory only?
[23:52] <MrEikono> Jordan_U: ah
[23:52] <cluelessperson> I have the username zachary, with full shell root access
[23:52] <cluelessperson> Can I make a key that has access to one directory alone?
[23:52] <MrEikono> well, now that that's done, who's excited for Vivid?
[23:52] <pizzaops> Well that's upsetting. There can be only one Zachary!
[23:52] <MrEikono> What sort of things is Vivid going to add anyway?
[23:52] <KDFAMD> http://askubuntu.com/questions/167468/where-can-i-find-the-source-code-of-ubuntu
[23:53] <cluelessperson> pizzaops, First come first serve.
[23:53] <pizzaops> :P
[23:54] <Rastart> it automatically create with windows computers when you connect to net. in windows you got an option to totally disable network groups services. how to do the same thing in ubuntu?this is an ubuntu computer and i don't want to participate in any way to a windows network group.
[23:54] <Rastart> lol
[23:54] <bekks> Rastart: Stop the samba service. Done-
[23:55] <Rastart> how to stop the samba service bekks?
[23:55] <bekks> Rastart: sudo service samba stop
[23:55] <Rastart> does it only stop the network groups services?
[23:56] <bekks> There is no such service.
[23:56] <Rastart> what is samba about?
[23:56] <MrEikono> back
[23:56] <Rastart> can i have more information about this before disable it?
[23:56] <bekks> Advertising the computer in a Windows environment and sharing directories as file shares.
[23:57] <MrEikono> what sort of things will be added with the new update, 15.04?
[23:57] <SchrodingersScat> cluelessperson: shouldn't be anything about the keys, afaik, but maybe in the sshd_config? also this: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Restricted-Shell.html
[23:58] <daftykins> MrEikono: #ubuntu+1 for vivid talk and please see - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes
[23:58] <Rastart> ok bekks when i stop the service does it stops it permanently?
[23:58] <bekks> Rastart: No.
[23:58] <MrEikono> thanks daftykins
[23:58] <checkit> Hey guys... I need to modify a crontab but I'm not sure how to edit it. Any thoughts? My user is not root and is not in sudoers...
[23:58] <bekks> Rastart: you have to disable it.
[23:58] <Rastart> how to totally disable it?
[23:58] <Rastart> :P
[23:58] <bekks> !upstart | Rastart