[08:31] <slons> hi
[09:00] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:10] <AlanBell> morning
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[09:21] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[09:45] <danfish_> *burp*
[09:56] <Nafallo> morning
[09:57] <jacobw> morning
[10:42] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:43] <AlanBell> bug 884671
[10:45] <ubuntubhoy> 'ungainly' a word you don't see used as often as it should
[10:46] <Nafallo> potentially
[10:47] <jacobw> hey jutnux
[10:47] <jacobw> hows it going?
[10:56] <popey> morning all
[10:57] <issyl0> /1
[10:57] <MooDoo> morning
[10:57] <issyl0> Grrr.
[10:57] <issyl0> But, incidentally, good morning.
[10:57] <brobostigon> morning popey , issyl0 and MooDoo
[10:59] <smittix> Morning
[11:00]  * brobostigon installs the android wikipedia program.
[11:08] <jacobw> brobostigon: a veiwer?
[11:08] <jacobw> *viewer
[11:08] <brobostigon> jacobw: a wikipedia page viewer, yes.
[11:10]  * smittix is playing with KDE
[11:11] <jacobw> kate is awesome
[11:11] <smittix> Haven't used KDE since the 3. days.
[11:12] <jacobw> i used kde 3.5.x for a long time
[11:12] <jacobw> kde 4.0 took too long and gnome got much better
[11:13] <smittix> I have found myself wondering since Gnome3 was released.
[11:13] <smittix> I don't dislike it but I don't enjoy using it as much.
[11:15] <jacobw> i like gnome3 and unity
[11:17] <jacobw> i like the shell idea much better than comprehensive desktop environment idea of kde
[11:18] <smittix> Unity just feels a little clunky for me.
[11:18] <jacobw> all the shell needs to do is to switch and tile windows, provide virtual desktop and provide a way to launch applications
[11:19] <smittix> Gnome3 in Fedora feels solid though.
[11:20] <occupy64k> Gnome shell ftw
[11:20] <popey> does gnome shell have a future?
[11:20] <jacobw> -1 flamebait
[11:21] <smittix> heh
[11:21] <smittix> Im moving to arch
[11:21]  * smittix hides
[11:21] <dwatkins> I just use GNU Screen ;)
[11:21] <jacobw> arch is the new gentoo :(
[11:22] <jacobw> dwatkins: dinosuar, tmux is where its at :p
[11:22] <dwatkins> jacobw: heh
[11:23] <smittix> Byobu!
[11:23] <dwatkins> I quite like the look of scrotwm, actually.
[11:23] <dwatkins> http://edma2.deviantart.com/art/scrotwm-dark-theme-187026267 for example
[11:24] <jacobw> byobu has switched from screen to tmux
[11:24] <smittix> scrotwm does look good.
[11:27] <dwatkins> I think the clock is tmux, not sure.
[11:28] <popey> jacobw: haha
[11:34] <swat_> morning
[11:36] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: the thing that always puts me off things like scrotwm is the screenshots always seem to have masses of tiny dark-grey-on-dark-grey pixelly text
[11:47] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: this looks pretty neat and isn't dark: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10773855#post10773855
[11:54] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: it's still a wall of shitty low-contrast pixelly text
[12:05]  * Neoti finally out of my cave!!! lol :P
[12:08] <Neoti> anyone else having problems with empathy... not connecting to facebook ?
[12:14] <SuperEngineer> Neoti: no -- but, then again, I switched back to Pidgin yonks ago [smug smile] :})
[12:15] <Neoti> SuperEngineer meh!  with your smug smile!!
[12:15] <SuperEngineer> ... & o/
[12:16] <SuperEngineer> Neoti:  ;})
[12:25] <SuperEngineer> Neoti:  just set up fb account on Empathy ok - no probs - connects ok
[12:28] <Neoti> well i removed the account and readded it and i go resource is already connected to server ....
[12:34] <SuperEngineer> Neoti:  [guessing here] remove a/c again. remove permission in fb & then redo [ again, I'm only guessing]
[12:42] <SuperEngineer> Neoti:  oo a thought, is this a 1st time setup or is  it an existing ok a/c -if new,  are you using your user name or sign-in name to set it up
[12:48] <SuperEngineer> The ultimate message to SOPA/PIPA advocates: listen to the first few secs of lastest Linux Outlaws podcast. http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxoutlaws-ogg
[12:48] <occupy64k> Have been listening to that
[12:49] <occupy64k> It's a sign of how far things have slid that a star trek monologue now sounds quite radical
[12:50] <SuperEngineer> occupy64k: words of real wisdom are their own definition... no matter who the script writer
[13:07] <Laney> today is a homebrew day
[13:12] <SuperEngineer> Whilst I had it open thought I'd just have a look at IRC in Empathy... yuk!
[13:22] <gordonjcp> in unity if I hit F2 I get a thing that will search for what I type in and then run it
[13:22] <gordonjcp> but that's in every single case wrong
[13:22] <gordonjcp> is there a way to tell it to just run what I type, and not try to be clever?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> alt+f2?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> which version of Unity/ubuntu?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> just alt+f2 -> type -> enter should work
[13:26] <gordonjcp> it doesn't
[13:26] <gordonjcp> if I press alt-f2 and type then it will try to guess what I want
[13:26] <gordonjcp> and then in all cases run something other than what I typed
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> Which version? Because it works fine on 11.10 and 12.04 for me
[13:26] <gordonjcp> this is 11.10
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: what happens if you ignore the guesses, type the name of the program you want to run and then enter?
[13:27] <gordonjcp> it runs something random
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> works fine here..
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: that bug was fixed!
[13:27] <gordonjcp> well, this is a fresh install off 11.10, updated about ten minutes ago
[13:27] <gordonjcp> alt-f2, type "gedit", gnome-calculator runs
[13:27] <gordonjcp> consistently
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: even if you wait a while before pressing enter?
[13:28] <gordonjcp> alt-f2, type "evince", it tries to run evince-previewer
[13:28] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: yup
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> cool
[13:28] <gordonjcp> but that's sort of the point, I don't want to wait
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> is the -proposed repo enabled?
[13:28] <gordonjcp> I want it to run the program I typed the name of
[13:28] <gordonjcp> nope
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> and -updates?
[13:28] <gordonjcp> it's a fresh-from-the-installer install of Ubuntu
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> please check
[13:28] <gordonjcp> I haven't even installed build-essential yet
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> -updates should be on, I guess
[13:29] <gordonjcp> -updates is on
[13:29] <gordonjcp> -proposed is not
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I'm searching for the bug number and package
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> it might be in proposed only atm
[13:30] <jonsaint> hi all. i want to put a film (avi film) on to a dvd. i used to use something to convert it then i then had to burn it to dvd. can anyone tell me what i would need to use o do this?
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: converting should be automatic, as long as you use a program like "Brasero" to burn the video DVD, I think
[13:31] <jonsaint> cheers. il try that
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/856205
[13:33] <jonsaint> MartijnVdS, tried to use it, when i click burn it tells me somethings not implemented???
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: converting, I guess
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: you'll have to convert the video to MPEG-2 yourself then. If you want to use a graphical tool, you can use "avidemux"
[13:34] <jonsaint> it says installing packages by files isnt supported
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: That sounds strange, what's the exact message?
[13:35] <jonsaint> exactly that, installing packages by files isnt supported, then it says a the bottom about it not being implemented
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: does it tell you what kind of file it needs?
[13:36] <jonsaint> no
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> jonsaint: even better, can you make a screenshot (alt + printscreen) of the Brasero window?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> !paste
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> that doesn't do images.. hmm
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> !image
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> !imagebin
[13:37] <jonsaint> give me 10 mins, trying to do this and cook dinner lol
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> :)
[13:38] <jonsaint> im trying to use devede now to see what thats like
[13:40] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: interesting
[13:41] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: it runs one that hasn't even been typed, I've found
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I can only suggest filing a bug (or subscribing if it already exists)
[13:44] <popey> damnit, stupid keyboard layout
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> What's up popey
[13:48] <popey> none of the keyboard layouts in ubuntu match the one I have
[13:48] <popey> macbook pro 7,1. uk layout
[13:51] <popey> bug 630203
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> Not even mostly?
[13:52] <popey> mostly isnt enough
[13:53] <popey> i had a fiddle with some of the xkb files in the last release and couldn't get the layout right
[13:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:53] <popey> should forward that bug upstream
[13:57] <penguin42> popey: Marked it as 'High'
[14:05]  * popey files it upstream https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45080
[14:06]  * SuperEngineer wonders if czajkowski will be setting up a Six Nations rant channel?
[14:07] <czajkowski> swat_: #rugbyrants exists
[14:07] <czajkowski> SuperEngineer: ^^
[14:07]  * popey wonders if anyone can suggest a source for a _cheap_ AGP based 3d card that will work with compiz/unity?
[14:07] <penguin42> oh AGP - hmm
[14:07] <SuperEngineer> czajkowski:  cool
[14:08] <popey> this old celeron D of my sisters
[14:08]  * popey asks on askubuntu ☺
[14:08] <popey> see how that pans out
[14:08] <SuperEngineer> czajkowski:  ooo - so it does [adds to favs] ;)
[14:08] <penguin42> popey: How about something like: http://www.amazon.co.uk/VTX3D-512MB-Radeon-3450-Graphics/dp/B003WW5ZMG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1327241305&sr=8-4
[14:09] <penguin42> popey: The HD 3xxx should work (I have the HD4xxx works fine on open drivers - but PCI-e)
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> You won't get _stellar_ Unity3D performance mind
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> especially compared to the latest few generations of GPU
[14:11] <penguin42> popey: Avoid the Radeon 9xxx and 7xxx
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> This one looks like it landed on an alien space ship: http://www.amazon.co.uk/HIS-Radeon-HD-4670-IceQ/dp/B002EL4PIG/ref=sr_1_22?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1327241422&sr=1-22
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> ATI HD 4670
[14:12] <popey> oooh that radeon looks decent
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: the 3450 or the 4670?
[14:13] <sagaci> i've got a pci 4670 in my desktop computer, 1GB, pretty decent
[14:13] <sagaci> I paid $70AUD a year ago
[14:13] <sagaci> msi
[14:13] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DemystifyingUnityGraphicsHardwareRequirements
[14:13] <popey> handy
[14:13] <popey> mentions the 3450
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: it doesn't have AGPWpcie at all?
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> popey: it doesn't have pcie at all?
[14:14] <popey> correct
[14:14] <sagaci> are you seeing how low you can go
[14:14] <popey> no, sisters computer
[14:14] <popey> dont want to spend lots on it
[14:14] <penguin42> must replace my dad's P3-400
[14:14] <penguin42> popey: Mind you I built a complete machine for my mum for about £220
[14:14] <popey> hmmm
[14:14] <popey> the other option is to let her have one of my revos
[14:15] <sagaci> penguin42: what kind of fps do you get for solitaire :)
[14:15] <popey> I'm not about to build a machine
[14:15] <penguin42> nod
[14:15]  * popey looks at super cheap pre-builds tho
[14:15] <popey> or a 'just add a disk' type thing
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> RazPi :)
[14:17] <popey> hah
[14:17] <popey> needs a parallel port - old printer
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: Parallel ports are easy -- USB and PCI(e) expansions exist for that
[14:17] <penguin42> actually, a Celery D should be fine
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/PlusKom-2mtr-Cable-Female-Adaptor/dp/B000Q6JRHU
[14:18] <penguin42> (or b&w USB lasers for £40)
[14:18] <popey> MartijnVdS: more moeny
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Link-High-IEEE-Parallel-Printer/dp/B00109V6JO
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> popey: £3 isn't a lot though
[14:19] <penguin42> popey: Having said that, Unity2d will run on junk
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: S3 Savage?
[14:19] <popey> yeah, i have it running here
[14:19] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I'd be surprised if it didn't
[14:19] <popey> pondering what the best way forward is
[14:20] <popey> they dont tend to use this pc much, they all have laptops
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: Fixing it as cheaply as possible, tell them to start saving money for a new revo?
[14:20] <popey> its mostly just for printing
[14:20] <popey> tempted to get them a networked laser
[14:20] <popey> rather than a computer upgrade
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: you can buy boxes with a parallel port and a network port
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> to make a printer into a network printer without needing a PC
[14:21] <popey> true
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-PS110P-Single-parallel-ethernet/dp/B0015UGALC
[14:24] <penguin42> popey: http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/ATI-Radeon-X300-128-MB-PCI-E-Card-DMS-59-Full-Height-H3823-1409.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=cpc ?
[14:25] <popey> heh
[14:25] <popey> el cheapo
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's pcie, pcie != agp :(
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> wait
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> it says PCIe in the description, twice
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> and "AGP" at the bottom
[14:26] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hmm yes - best ignore that one
[14:26] <popey> need to call sister see what she really wants
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> <popey's sister> Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really, really want
 So tell me what you want, what you really, really want
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[14:28] <penguin42> http://www.itcsales.co.uk/acatalog/11-x-Mixed-second-user-CRT-Monitors-6296.html  is funny
[14:28] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: ...
[14:45] <Neoti> anyone tried Ubuntu TV yet ?
[14:48] <popey> yup ☺
[14:48] <penguin42> popey: I guess it's a hard life having to test it thoroughly
[14:48] <popey> hah
[14:49] <Nafallo> popey: how many movies did you watch on it this last week? ;-)
[14:50] <matti> Hi Nafallo
[14:50] <Nafallo> hi mat
[14:50] <matti> :)
[14:50] <Nafallo> hi matti
[14:50] <matti> MartijnVdS: ;]
[14:50] <Nafallo> dear tab, meet anger. no love, /N
[15:02] <tony_> Hi all - quick question - fresh install of 11.10 alongside xp however the grub menu is giving me a video out of range message - is this the correct link to fix it? http://askubuntu.com/questions/52910/signal-out-of-range-when-starting-grub-after-server-installation
[15:06] <penguin42> tony_: On what hardware?
[15:07] <penguin42> tony_: That seems a reasonable fix
[15:08] <tony_> its just an old-ish packard bell desktop that was starting to run a bit slow in xp
[15:08] <tony_> its an intel p4 which is about all I know
[15:08] <tony_> Ive managed to boot into ubuntu ok - and I think xp is still there, I just cant see the menu
[15:08] <penguin42> yeh, give that one a go
[15:09] <tony_> sorry for what is probably a stupid question but how do I know my root is /dev/sda1
[15:09] <penguin42> tony_: If you have one disc and it's the 1st partition it probably is
[15:10] <penguin42> tony_: the 'a' is 1st disc, the '1' is 1st partition, the 'sd' is most discs, although very occasionally you'll find an hd
[15:10] <tony_> theres only 1 hdd in there (there were 2 but 1 broke so I unplugged it)
[15:12]  * gord thinks about making an "EggWatch" google plus circle and putting certain people in it
[15:12] <penguin42> eggwatch?
[15:13] <Nafallo> if you're in it youhave to stare at an egg for 10mins a day.
[15:14] <Nafallo> and then report what the egg was up to for the group
[15:20] <penguin42> Nafallo: Some report on the egg during that time
[15:21] <tony_> hello - sorry trying to get my grub screen working - is there a simple walk through anyone can point me towards?
[15:25] <penguin42> tony_: I think those instructions in that page you found should work - they seem to be working around a bios bug (or difference between Grub/bios)
[15:28] <tony_> was just trying that startup manager as I cant seem to run those commands from the walkthrough - I just get an empty file.  Will give this a go, be back shortly peeps! :)
[15:34] <tony_> Hi All - just reporting back - startup manager let me change the boot menu to 1024x768 and it now works perfectly.  would recommend for anyone else who has the same problem!
[15:36] <penguin42> tony_: How did you get to startup manager?
[15:39] <tony_> had to install it from the software centre
[15:39] <tony_> but after that it was easy peasy
[15:39] <penguin42> tony_: I didn't realise from your original description that it eventually booted OK
[15:39] <tony_> sorry yeah - it booted up but I just couldnt see the menu
[15:40] <penguin42> is it on an LCD or CRT?
[15:41] <Neoti> anyone know of some IP TV stations/channels that i can put in to TVheadend as im building a minimumpvr
[15:44] <AlanBell> gord: eggs ftw
[15:45] <oimon1> trying to compile something pulled from git, no idea how the author gets it to work , loads of errors :(
[15:45] <AlanBell> oimon1: missing dependencies probably, what is it?
[15:45] <oimon1> cinnamon desktop
[15:45] <oimon1> wanted the latest git version
[15:48] <gord> popey, nvidia 7000/8000 series cards, they support the feature set and some of them (less 8000 series, more 7000 series) support AGP. about £20 new. problem with getting older than that is the nvidia driver will start to not support them at some point
[15:48] <gord> there is always the open source drivers though i guess
[15:48] <jacobw> oimon1: can you use the ppa?
[15:49] <oimon1> jacobw: i wanted to try some newer features than the ppa that are in git
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... BT [or BT router} appears to be  having a minor prob.  signal = 82%, download speed now  varying betwwen 2 & 10 KiB/S
[15:58]  * SuperEngineer checks outside for cracker in car with laptop!
[15:58] <SuperEngineer> ....no
[16:01] <tony_> ok next question - does anyone know how to get an ipod touch working in ubuntu?
[16:02] <SuperEngineer> bbs... logging off to switch to 3GS mobile dongle
[16:26] <Neoti> little help needed... just installed ubuntu 11.10 mini and i only choose to install open SSH, and on the screen i just have a blinking courser... i can SSH to the box and do stuff but on the computer monitor i just get a courser in the top left hand corner ... what have i go to install to get a login screen ?
[16:30] <Myrtti> does it say login tho?
[16:30] <Neoti> nope... just a blinking courser on the screen.... i just connected to it via SSH and installed xorg to see what would happen and still nothing on screen even after a reboot
[16:31] <Myrtti> was xorg the only thing you installed?
[16:31] <Neoti> open ssh server : xorg and the ubuntu base thats it ...
[16:31] <Myrtti> well xorg doesn't do much on it's own
[16:32] <penguin42> Myrtti: On the box can you do an alt-ctrl-f1 ?
[16:33] <Myrtti> Neoti: ^
[16:36] <Neoti> its in virtual box... how do i send that command to it with out going to term on my linux box ... lolz
[16:37] <penguin42> Neoti: If you can ssh in, then do sudo chvt 1   from the ssh
[16:38] <Neoti> excellent.... awesomeness!!!! thank you
[16:39] <penguin42> Neoti: So my guess is that lightdm isn't starting for one reason or another
[16:40] <Neoti> i was using the mini CD install thingy here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD as i dont need a full desktop gui just terminal goodness but SSH was fine... was just nice to have the vm show my a login...
[16:40] <penguin42> Neoti: check /var/log/lightdm.log (or something like that) - is this a fresh install or upgradE?
[16:41] <Neoti> next.... how do i use the IPTV option of tvheadend as there website documents all but this tab... lolz,,, thanks
[16:58] <smittix> hmmm, I have just dragged an app to the launcher and its left a blank space.
[17:01] <jacobw> damnit, i can't download the sopranos as fast as i can watch it :(
[17:01] <jacobw> smittix: if you click the space, does the app launch?
[17:22] <dwatkins> jacobw: netflix?
[17:22] <jacobw> dwatkins: in gb now?
[17:23] <dwatkins> jacobw: yep, and the first month is free, otherwise 6 GBP a month.
[17:23] <jacobw> awesome
[17:24] <dwatkins> Yeah, I watched all of Prison Break on it in HD, works very well (but uses a huge amount of bandwidth).
[17:24] <dwatkins> I have no idea if there's a Linux client which will work with it, not tried. I had to install Silverlight on OS X and Windows to use it.
[17:25] <dwatkins> !silverlight
[17:26] <Pendulum> dwatkins: I'm not sure if it's still true, but at least for a while Netflix was using DRM which meant that Moonlight wouldn't work
[17:26] <Cameron> Hello
[17:26] <Cameron> thanks, alanbell, everything is working perfectly :)
[17:26] <dwatkins> Pendulum: ah ok, that kinda makes sense, shame as it is.
[17:27]  * dwatkins tries from Ubuntu 10.10 and chrome
[17:27] <AlanBell> hi Cameron :)
[17:27] <AlanBell> and hi Pendulum o/
[17:27] <Pendulum> o/ AlanBell
[17:27] <Pendulum> dwatkins: I haven't looked at it for at least a year, though, so could have changed. I do know at one point it did work for a short time.
[17:28] <Pendulum> on the other hand, there is http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/native-netflix-client-coming-linux-in-12-months/
[17:29] <dwatkins> I get a compatability message stating I need to be running Windows, OS X or Chrome OS, interestingly.
[17:29] <dwatkins> ooh
[17:30] <dwatkins> This is the compatability message, for reference: http://rowla.dyndns.org/Netflix.html
[17:34] <penguin42> meld in 3 way diff mode is pretty neat
[17:53] <jacobw> i can't use pay for netflix if it uses silverlight
[17:53] <jacobw> too many potential problems
[17:54] <popey> you dont have to use silverlight if you have a supported device - like a ps3
[17:57] <jacobw> meh
[17:57] <jacobw> i don't have a ps3
[17:58] <jacobw> i'm unwilling to pay for something that using silverlight in any case
[17:58] <gord> also works on wii iirc
[17:59] <gord> i have netflix and lovefilm atm, can't decide which one to keep
[17:59] <smittix> jacobw: No can't click
[18:00] <s-fox> Hello.
[18:00] <smittix> s-fox: o/
[18:00] <s-fox> Hello smittix, how're you doing this evening?
[18:00] <smittix> Good thanks, and you?
[18:01] <s-fox> Not bad thank you, been working on my PHPOO
[18:02] <smittix> Nice
[18:02] <s-fox> Mainly in preparation for an interview on Wednesday. They said something about a test.
[18:02] <s-fox> ;)
[18:02] <smittix> ahh
[18:03] <smittix> Well good luck on that!
[18:03] <s-fox> Haha, thanks. I'll need it  :)
[18:03] <smittix> ;)
[18:09] <smittix> jacobw: A unity --reset-icons sorted it.
[18:10] <smittix> Anyone else experience a real slow down when dragging icons from the dash to the launcher.
[18:20] <gord> smittix, nvidia by any chance?
[18:23] <smittix> gord: No, Intel HD
[18:23] <gord> strange
[18:24] <smittix> Just tried dragging another icon and it's fine.
[18:24] <gord> maybe you just had a high load from something the first time
[18:24] <smittix> Aye, could be
[18:25] <Nafallo> maybe the icon is buggy. replace it with another icon!
[18:25] <smittix> It was the terminal which I was dragging.
[18:26] <Nafallo> ah. that makes sense then. Ubuntu is supposed to be useful without terminals :-)
[18:26] <Nafallo> it was clearly the systems way of trying to tell you so.
[18:27] <smittix> trying to perform sudo sed -i 's/NoDisplay=true/NoDisplay=false/g' *.desktop'' is kind of hard without it.
[18:27] <smittix> heh
[18:33] <gord> anyone know where the disable touchpad when typing thing is configured? seem to have lost mine
[18:34] <Nafallo> isn't that just the mouse settings?
[18:34] <popey> super -> mouse -> Mouse and touchpad -> Touch pad (tab)
[18:34] <smittix> Mouse and touchpad settings
[18:34] <Nafallo> if not, I'd go for dconf-editor ?
[18:34] <smittix> Top of the list on the tab.
[18:38] <gord> "disable touchpad whilst typing" is enabled :( doesn't work!
[18:38] <smittix> I have just tested mine too as I have never noticed it.
[18:38] <gord> i really need to get a new laptop, one just for work. so i can keep this laptop on the last ubuntu release, not the development release
[18:39] <smittix> On and off mine works.
[18:39] <Nafallo> gord: just get a netbook? :-)
[18:39] <gord> i have several :)
[18:40] <Nafallo> so use one for non-work stuff.
[18:40] <gord> nah
[18:40] <Nafallo> that said. I tried to do that.... and now my netbook is my work machine too :-P
[18:40] <gord> 1.6ghz ooold atom or 1ghz arm machines aren't enough for my internetting anymore
[18:40] <Nafallo> wut?
[18:41] <Nafallo> what do you do on the Internetz? taking down gibsons?
[18:41] <smittix> I don't bother trying to seperate the two anymore. Everytime I try they end up merging anyway.
[18:41] <gord> everything loads slow, can't open a browser and <other> app at the same time, the entire thing is a pain
[18:41] <Nafallo> ehrm. weird. my N450-based one works just fine :-)
[18:41] <gord> i'd rather sit on my i3 2ghz dual core laptop with 8gb ram
[18:41] <Nafallo> just had to upgrade to 2GB memory when I started using it for work, and that was it.
[18:42]  * smittix has something similar
[18:42] <smittix> i5 quad, 8gb ram  ;)
[18:43] <Nafallo> hrm. we clearly use computers in different ways :-)
[18:43]  * penguin42 pats his i7/8GB
[18:43] <smittix> I don't have a desktop. So I got this laptop to do what I want.
[18:44] <penguin42> smittix: I used to have that setup; and actually you are on my old laptop - which mostly just does IRC
[18:44] <Nafallo> well, same here :-)
[18:44] <Nafallo> and a tiny mips-based media player attached to the TV :-)
[18:44] <smittix> penguin42: huh?
[18:45] <penguin42> smittix: I have two machines here; an i7 desktop and an older laptop that was my previous main machine
[18:45] <smittix> ahh
[18:45] <penguin42> smittix: The irc window that you're in is on my old laptop
[18:45] <smittix> Ok heh
[18:45] <smittix> I do miss my desktop.
[18:45] <smittix> But I never had time to actually sit at it.
[19:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] Tolworth  22nd January 2012 - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=59
[19:27] <Azelphur> How do I give a user permission to set niceness without root?
[19:36] <AlanBell> in openoffice calc how do I get the stuff I want to print out on one page?
[19:36] <czajkowski> is it like excel where you select the area ?
[19:36] <AlanBell> I seem to recall some options in the print area saying fit to n pages wide by m pages tall or something, but I can't find them now
[19:37] <AlanBell> I have selected the cells I want to print, but they spill onto two pages
[19:37] <czajkowski> can you change the layout like portrait to landscape
[19:38] <AlanBell> tried that, still doesn't fit
[19:39] <czajkowski> you *have* to have it all on one page?
[19:40] <AlanBell> yes
[19:40] <AlanBell> found something in format-page I think
[19:42] <AlanBell> ok, got it
[19:43] <AlanBell> format-page then on the sheet tab at the bottom set the scaling mode to fit on one page, and on the page tab set it to landscape
[19:44] <AlanBell> if you don't set it to landscape there, but try to change to landscape at the time you print it then you get it scaled down to fit on a portrait width, but in the middle of your landscape page
[19:45] <czajkowski> nods
[19:45] <czajkowski> good to know
[19:45] <czajkowski> :0
[19:45] <czajkowski> :)
[19:46] <AlanBell> reward chart printed
[19:46] <czajkowski> ahhhh
[19:47] <AlanBell> now it just needs filling up with happy face stickers
[19:47] <czajkowski> best of luck with that
[19:48] <AlanBell> I will try to be a good boy ;)
[19:49] <jacobw> anyone know how to scrollback in tmux?
[19:51] <Laney> ^b [
[19:51] <Laney> same as scren
[19:51] <Laney> r
[19:51] <Laney> screen
[19:52] <jacobw> thanks, page up/down also seems to work as a suffix to ^b
[19:58] <daubers> Evening
[19:58] <intelhunter> hello?
[19:59] <intelhunter> any1 here?
[19:59] <intelhunter> i need help.
[19:59] <Azelphur> !anyone | intelhunter
[19:59] <daubers> intelhunter: Ask away :)
[19:59] <intelhunter> i messed up, i need to know how to set settings to default...
[19:59] <Azelphur> what settings?
[20:00] <intelhunter> i f*** up my sound, now my audio is dead.
[20:00] <Azelphur> what exactly did you do?
[20:00] <jacobw> what did you do before?
[20:01] <jacobw> also
[20:01] <jacobw> !language
[20:01] <intelhunter> i were trying to make my headphones to work, so i went to audio settings and i did somethin(cant remember exactly what) and now i have no sound.
[20:02] <intelhunter> btw i installed ubuntu for about an hour ago.
[20:02] <penguin42> intelhunter: Check the output settings aren't set to mute and are in the middle
[20:03] <penguin42> intelhunter: Also check the 'connector' on the output page
[20:03] <jacobw> try changing the output device
[20:03] <intelhunter> ok, wait a minute...
[20:03] <jacobw> perhaps you changed them
[20:03] <penguin42> intelhunter: Also, on hte hardware tab there is a 'profile' like Analog Stereo Duplex  etc - try different ones of those
[20:05] <intelhunter> nothing has changed.
[20:05] <intelhunter> is there any command to reset everything?
[20:07] <jacobw> no
[20:07] <intelhunter> ?
[20:07] <intelhunter> wut!?!
[20:07] <intelhunter> maybe if i re-install everything...
[20:08] <intelhunter> i havent installed it completely, i'm just trying it out.
[20:08] <jacobw> connector is what i meant by output devices
[20:08] <jacobw> i forgot how the gui looked
[20:09] <jacobw> intelhunter: so you haven't installed to disk?
[20:09] <jacobw> intelhunter: i.e. you still using the live image?
[20:09] <intelhunter> i did it to a CD, and i booted it up.
[20:09] <intelhunter> so i still have windows.
[20:10] <jacobw> in that case you're running ubuntu from the CD, do you plan to install or not?
[20:10] <intelhunter> i plan to install, but not untill i have found out more.
[20:10] <Azelphur> all you need to do is reboot to reset the entire live session
[20:11] <jacobw> if you've changed something it the gui it won't persist through to the installation
[20:11] <Azelphur> liveCD doesn't save anything xD
[20:11] <intelhunter> AWESOME!
[20:11] <jutnux> 70% encrypted
[20:11] <jutnux> dodoodododo
[20:11] <intelhunter> i still have some questions....
[20:11] <jacobw> what are you encrypting?
[20:11] <intelhunter> is there a spotify for linux?
[20:11] <jacobw> yes
[20:12] <intelhunter> i found some bits of it...
[20:12] <daubers> only if you have a premium subscription
[20:12] <intelhunter> but does it work?
[20:12] <jacobw> it can run under wine
[20:12] <intelhunter> ok...
[20:12] <jacobw> i don't know anything about premium subscription
[20:13] <jacobw> wine is a program that runs windows programs in linux
[20:13] <jutnux> jacobw: My HDD
[20:13] <intelhunter> now, i have a challange for you, can you convince me to installing linux instead of windows?
[20:13] <Azelphur> intelhunter: installing instead of is a bad idea, especially as a brand new user
[20:13] <jacobw> i don't know
[20:13] <Azelphur> dual boot.
[20:13] <intelhunter> pros and cons...
[20:14] <jacobw> all i can say is .. "if it's not fun, why do it?"
[20:14] <Azelphur> there's no reason you can't have both
[20:14] <Azelphur> and remove windows later if you feel the need to
[20:14] <jutnux> intelhunter: If you want a system that runs faster, has next to nil viruses and pretty much the same software as Windows, wy not?
[20:14] <intelhunter> ok...
[20:14] <Azelphur> that's what I did, I dual booted for like a year
[20:14] <intelhunter> sounds fair...
[20:14] <Azelphur> and then I realised I never use windows any more, so just removed it
[20:14] <jacobw> what do you use windows for?
[20:14] <intelhunter> me?
[20:14] <jacobw> yeah
[20:15] <intelhunter> i tried to learn programming.
[20:15] <jacobw> if there's no windows specific programs you need then there's no reason not switch to a better operating system
[20:15] <Azelphur> ^ that basically
[20:15] <intelhunter> but python was bad...
[20:16] <jacobw> python is great :)
[20:16] <Azelphur> don't hate python :o
[20:16] <Azelphur> python is awesome
[20:16] <jacobw> where you using idle?
[20:16] <jacobw> don't use idle
[20:16] <intelhunter> it gave me error messages in wondows, and i was told to use it in linux.
[20:16] <jutnux> Make sure you follow a styling guideline too
[20:16] <intelhunter> i was using the GUI
[20:16] <jutnux> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
[20:16] <intelhunter> wut is that?
[20:17] <Azelphur> jutnux: haha, a noob so doesn't need to worry about clean code
[20:17] <jutnux> A styling guideline for Python
[20:17] <Azelphur> really...
[20:17] <jutnux> Azelphur: Well he's better off learning it now rather than when he is acustomed to the code
[20:17] <jacobw> there's no difference between python on windows and python on linux except the development environment
[20:17] <Azelphur> jutnux: 100% wrong. When starting something new and complicated like that it's information overload that alienates 99% of people
[20:17]  * popey points intelhunter at http://codeyear.com/
[20:17] <intelhunter> i know some of python, like while and if and elif...
[20:18] <Azelphur> If you actually want to help, avoid information overload like the plague :)
[20:18] <daubers> \o/ my wifes cousin is being tought to code at GCSE lavel
[20:18] <intelhunter> ok.
[20:18] <intelhunter> GCSE?
[20:18] <daubers> yup
[20:18] <jutnux> daubers: I'm still doing the generic Microsoft Office. Glad I taught myself.
[20:19] <jutnux> Azelphur: Well if he develops a way of doing things and continues it's going to be harder to get out of that habit than it is to learn this one.
[20:19] <Azelphur> intelhunter: but yea, Ubuntu offers the option during the installation to install alongside Windows, so you can just do that, and see how you go :)
[20:19] <intelhunter> ok, i will.
[20:19] <Azelphur> jutnux: and if you information overload, your not going to learn anything at all, ever because you'll just give up :)
[20:20] <intelhunter> that will also eliminate the need to convinse my parent why ubuntu is a safer option than windows.
[20:20] <jutnux> Azelphur: It's not much of an information overload :p
[20:20] <jacobw> safer is definite
[20:21] <intelhunter> yeah, i just had this PC ovehauled...
[20:21] <intelhunter> it was slow and had lotso' shit in it.
[20:21] <jutnux> intelhunter: Language please :-)
[20:21] <Azelphur> jutnux: have you not even looked at that article haha, think about trying to read that on day 1 when you had no idea of any programming concepts at all, because that article requires that you know basic programming concepts/terminology to make any sense whatsoever :)
[20:22] <jutnux> Azelphur: True, I see where you're coming from. But it's better to learn it sooner rather than later.
[20:22] <Azelphur> jutnux: sooner perhaps, but not until basic programming concepts are down, information overload is the #1 killer when learning a new language :P
[20:22] <jacobw> diveintopython3.org
[20:23] <Azelphur> intelhunter: as for convincing btw, no need for us to do it haha, just dual boot, give it a try, see if it does what you need it to do :)
[20:23] <jacobw> http://diveintopython3.ep.io/
[20:23] <Azelphur> If you can get by without booting into windows for a month or so, you probably don't need windows any more and can safely remove it
[20:23] <jutnux> I personally run a VM for Windows essential apps.
[20:23] <intelhunter> ok---
[20:24] <Azelphur> I game in wine :p
[20:24] <jacobw> there's many advantages to running windows a vm if you don't have any special hardware requirements
[20:24] <jacobw> how does that work Azelphur ?
[20:24] <Azelphur> jacobw: quite well?
[20:25] <jacobw> i tried to play counter strike in wine years ago and it didn't work well enough
[20:25] <Azelphur> I've been playing CS:S/TF2 in wine ever since I switched about 4 years ago
[20:25] <jutnux> I don't game :P
[20:25] <Azelphur> :D
[20:26] <jacobw> it was probably the nvidia drivers of the time
[20:27] <jacobw> i don't game either now, i keep meaning to try minecraft
[20:30] <intelhunter> ok---
[20:30] <jutnux> Minecraft is good. I get bored of it pretty quick.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> you like being bored?
[20:39] <Azelphur> what's the "proper" way to bind additional IPs on Ubuntu server?
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: in add them on the :x alias interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> auto eth0:1
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> iface eth0:1 inet static
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> or do you mean some daemon binding to specific IPs?
[20:41] <Azelphur> nah that's what I want
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:42] <Azelphur> oh, they already did it for me
[20:42] <Azelphur> already set up, I guess I just have to sudo service networking restart?
[20:43] <jutnux> MartijnVdS: Obviously not, I should've added a though to the end of that sentence ;)
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> jutnux: ;)
[20:45] <daev_> anyone here experienced with xorg.conf?
[20:45] <Azelphur> !anyone | daev_
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> daev_: I know it's seldom necessary anymore, what do you want to know :)
[20:46] <daev_> I'm using the proprietary ati drivers at the moment and was hoping to use a different refresh rate. at the moment it's only got 60Hz available. However in windows permits higher. what would you suggest if not xorg?:]
[20:47] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: what do I do to reload /etc/network/interfaces?
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: 2 options
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (a) restart networking service
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (b) ifup name_of_newly_added_interface
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> (ifup eth0:1)
[20:47] <Azelphur> ah, B sounds good then I don't interrupt the connection
[20:48] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: or not, doing sudo ifup eth1:0 and it's saying "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" "Failed to bring up eth1:1."
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> yes
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> :0 isn't valid
[20:49] <Azelphur> same issue with :1
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> you should start with :1
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you pastebin the file?
[20:49] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/4Nh1eU9T
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> you should start with :1
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> and not use :0 at all
[20:51] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: bumped them all up 1, same issue
[20:51] <Azelphur> oh wait, didn't do it right
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> you can use
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> ifup -a
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> to do all at once
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> (all marked "auto")
[20:51] <Azelphur> yea, same issue it won't bring up eth1:*
[20:52] <Azelphur> I bumped all the auto and iface lines up 1 so there's no eth1:0 any more
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> Then you might need to restart networking (use screen!)
[20:52] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: a little worrying, if I break networking access I have to pay for remote hands :P
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hmm
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: can you pastebin ifconfig -a
[20:53] <Azelphur> http://paste.ubuntu.com/813559/
[20:54] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: also I don't think :0 is invalid, my old server uses :0 :p
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: :0 is specialish though
[20:54] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and can your pastebin "ifup -a" ?
[20:56] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/813563/
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> cool
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: what if you do:
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> ifconfig eth1:1 ip.address.1 netmask net.mask.1
[20:58] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: with up on the end? sudo ifconfig eth1:1 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> up
[20:58] <Azelphur> without up it does nothing, with up it says SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> no, up is not necessary
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: "ip addr" and "ip route"
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> what do thay say?
[20:59] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/813567/
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> you already have the addresses assigned :)
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> on eth1
[21:00] <Azelphur> how does that madness even work xD
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: there are 2 ways to add addresses to an interface
[21:00] <Azelphur> I see no eth1:1 in ifconfig
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> the old style:
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> ifconfig, with alias interfaces (":x")
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> ip addr, with just the normal interface ("secondary" addresses in ip addr output)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> I don't know how the first method is supported in /e/n/i
[21:01] <Azelphur> me either o.O
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> but the "aliases" method IS supported, using :x notation as you've added
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ip addr del <IP_ADDRESS>/24 dev eth1
[21:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I didn't add that, it was there by default
[21:02] <Azelphur> so since they appear to be there and working, I'll just guess "datacenter people did dark magic, don't touch it"
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then ifup eth1:x (where x = interface alias number with that ip)
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> you never did 'ip addr add'?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> nothing in ~/.bash_history?
[21:03] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha yea, I see them doing it :)
[21:03] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: people using vi, I don't use vi, and messing with /etc/network/interfaces, upstream must have sorted it :p
[21:04] <AlanBell> hmm, broken my unity3d again :(
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: OK, so don't touch it ;)
[21:04] <Azelphur> indeed, didn't realise they'd done it, I didn't even know you could do that without it showing up in ifconfig on the :x interfaces
[21:04] <Azelphur> dark upstream voodoo >.<
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> nah
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://andys.org.uk/bits/2010/02/24/iproute2-life-after-ifconfig/
[21:07] <Azelphur> fun :)
[21:07] <Azelphur> Speaking of up upstream voodoo, they just upgraded their SLA, basically it's 100% everything
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: even better: http://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/
[21:08] <Azelphur> fun
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: good guide to learn :)
[21:09] <Azelphur> Indeed
[21:09] <Azelphur> https://www.nfoservers.com/sla.php I quite like this SLA :D
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> gamers.. ;)
[21:10] <Azelphur> well hey, it is a game server, and they do seem to have their stuff in order
[21:25] <jutnux> 90% done \o/
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> issyl0: having an irc identity crisis? :)
[21:26] <issyl0> Yes.
[21:26] <jutnux> popey: That exopc tab looks nice.
[21:28] <jacobw> does anyone have experience with apacheds?
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: what's that?
[21:31] <popey> nah, looks rubbish jutnux ☺
[21:37] <jacobw> apache's ldap server
[21:38] <jacobw> the documentation for openldap is a bit sparse
[21:40] <MartijnVdS> the documentation for any ldap is sparse
[21:58] <AlanBell> heh, thought I had some weird audio bug going on, but it turned out to be orca in scottish accent mode
[21:59]  * AlanBell blames gordonjcp
[22:00] <MartijnVdS> hhaha
[22:06] <gordonjcp> haha
[22:06] <gordonjcp> wiznae meee
[22:07] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: I've just watched a few episodes of "Burnistoun"
[22:07] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: it helps with reading that :)
[22:08] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I don't have a "Scottish accent" particularly
[22:08] <MartijnVdS> what do you have then? :)
[22:09] <gordonjcp> depends who you ask
[22:10] <gordonjcp> some people think I sound Scottish, some think I sound English
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> Scenglish
[22:10] <gordonjcp> then there are the weird outliers who think I'm Canadian or Norwegian
[22:12] <MartijnVdS> don't they mean Glaswegian then ;)
[22:14] <gordonjcp> I definitely don't sound Glaswegian
[22:17] <Pendulum> you definitely don't sound Canadian either
[22:17] <Pendulum> (can't vouch for Norwegian as I'm not sure I have anything to compare to)
[22:17] <gordonjcp> no
[22:18] <gordonjcp> well, one of my friends who is Danish says she can see how people might think I was Norwegian
[22:18] <Pendulum> gordonjcp: Charlotte?
[22:18] <gordonjcp> yeah
[22:19] <Pendulum> I'm rather pleased I managed to remember that :)
[22:31] <christel> there's apparently somewhere in scotland where the accent (and bastardisation of some words) sound very much like norwegian
[22:32] <christel> i cant remember where mind
[22:32] <christel> Pendulum: i'm norwegian! :P
[22:34]  * bigcalm runs around in a blind panic
[22:34] <bigcalm> Oh, I there
[22:41] <bigcalm> Is there a reliable MS Project viewer for Linux?
[22:56] <ali1234> popey: how did you do minecraft screencasts?
[22:56] <ali1234> it just ocured to me, you said that your scripts only work with nouveau
[22:56] <ali1234> but minecraft doesn't work with nouveau
[22:57] <ali1234> it doesn't work particularly well with intel graphics either
[23:18] <bigcalm> I need to map work flows. Suggested app?
[23:21] <bigcalm> Open Office Draw apparently
[23:26] <mgdm> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx I read about this yesterday
[23:42] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/865672
[23:42] <ali1234> everyone go click "me to" on this if you use compiz or unity 3d