[06:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:26] <SuperMatt> morning
[11:28]  * zmoylan-pi sips tea and trys to warm up after early appointment in cold wet weather...
[12:08] <diddledan> daftykins: IT'S ALIVE!
[12:08] <diddledan> seems the PSU was faulty
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> a nice result for a friday...
[12:09] <diddledan> yey for amazon prime 1day delivery :-p
[16:26] <diddledan> so I spoke too soon. The PSU managed to kill the BIOS on it's way out by the looks.
[16:26] <diddledan> the board sits there at "initializing system" the text it shows before it enters the main POST routine
[16:27] <diddledan> the good news is the board itself seems fine, apart from the BIOS. The IPMI all works correctly now, where with the old PSU after death it wouldn't even respond to ping
[16:28] <diddledan> and the voltages are all normal - it looks like there was a "Main Bus B Undervolt" (ATX+5VSB)
[16:29] <diddledan> basically I read it as the PSU was sending about 4.2V instead of 5V
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> reflash the bios?
[16:38] <diddledan> doesn't get far enough to be able to do so via software
[16:39] <diddledan> I guess I should look to see if I can get a chip writer or to see if I can hook JTAG to the board
[16:42] <diddledan> or I could just spend a tenner and get a preprogrammed one: www.biosflash.com/e/Bios-Chips-ASROCK-C2750D4I-4399.htm


[19:54] <RikMills[m]> santa_: are you going to update gear to 23.04.2 tars, out tomorrow?
[19:55] <RikMills[m]> I would think it makes sense to do so.....
[19:55] <RikMills[m]> Instead of uploading 23.04.1
[20:09] <mmikowski> RikMills[m] Looks like I might have time to investigate flutter + ISO this weekend. Is building off 22.04 LTS ok with you? Or do you prefer a different base?
[21:35] <santa_> RikMills[m]: yes
[21:35] <santa_> the kdepim drama is done
[21:35] <santa_> I will have tomorrow more time than usual for kubuntu
[21:35] <santa_> also I found today another corner case bug in KA


[00:42] <gua> which is better http://tinyurl.com/classes-ca or http://tinyurl.com/classesca  ?
[00:42] <gua> in terms of speaking it out loud
[03:32] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, So whats all this with ubuntu Leadership?
[04:32] <philipballew> Can someone help me mount a external harddrive that wont mount
[04:34] <gua> philipballew: sure
[04:34] <gua> philipballew: what have you tried?
[04:34] <gua> and what fs is it?
[04:34] <philipballew> gua, ok, well Its my brothers and its from his mac
[04:34] <gua> and os/distro
[04:34] <philipballew> i tried nothing so far
[04:34] <philipballew> osx snow leapord
[04:35] <philipballew> gua,
[04:37] <gua> philipballew: so you plug it in and it doesn't pop up?
[04:37] <gua> and you're trying to read it on a mac with snow leopard?
[04:37] <philipballew> no. im trying to read in on ubuntu 11.04 gua
[04:38] <philipballew> is shows something was pluged in in dmesg
[04:38] <philipballew> gua,
[04:39] <gua> philipballew: hmm
[04:39] <gua> philipballew: that's happened to me before a few times. try to mount it manually
[04:39] <philipballew> how do i do that?
[04:39] <gua> sudo mount /dev/sdx1 /mnt
[04:39] <gua> replace the x in sdx with what you see in dmesg
[04:40] <philipballew> let me show you the output of dmesg
[04:40] <gua> alright
[04:41] <gua> note, you can only read hfs+, not write, unless you disable journaling (which is usually on by default). but it also could be fat32 or ntfs
[04:41] <gua> dmesg | head -n 200 | pastebinit
[04:42] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/695985/
[04:42] <gua> er tail rather. but anyway
[04:43] <gua> philipballew: what line do you see it saying something got plugged in?
[04:44] <philipballew> im not sure, Nut i assume its in there somewhere
[04:45] <philipballew> i think i saw it earlier
[04:45] <gua> philipballew: do you have pastebinit?
[04:45] <gua> if you don't, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[04:45] <philipballew> whats that?
[04:45] <gua> it easily pastes stuff from the terminal
[04:45] <philipballew> its installing
[04:47] <gua> then do      tail -n 100 /var/log/syslog | pastebinit
[04:47] <gua> philipballew: it's a usb drive?
[04:47] <philipballew> yeah. external hd
[04:48] <philipballew> http://paste.ubuntu.com/695989/
[04:48] <gua> well usb as opposed to firewire
[04:49] <philipballew> ah, true
[04:49] <gua> philipballew: when you plug it in, do any lights on the drive come on?
[04:49] <gua> since i'm not seeing anything in those that would indicate a drive being plugged in
[04:50] <philipballew> hum. ill just not worry about it i guess
[04:50] <philipballew> it seems to not be working right now i guess
[04:50] <gua> oh
[04:50] <gua> ok then
[04:50] <gua> good to hear
[04:50] <gua> glad to help ;P
[04:50] <philipballew> Thanks :)
[04:51] <philipballew> its 10 on a friday night, ill see what fun things i can go do
[05:12] <gua> so i went to dvlug but got there an hour late
[05:12] <gua> tonight
[21:48] <nhaines> Yay in 12 minutes I'm talking about how to switch from another OS to Ubuntu in #ubuntu-classroom.
[21:54] <bkerensa> :D
[22:25] <philipballew>  is http://wireless.kernel.org/ down for anyone else?
[22:26] <gua> philipballew: not loading here. kernel.org, linux.com and the linux foundation site have all been down for a while now after a big attack
[22:26] <gua> sadly that includes a lot of stuff mirrored on kernel.org
[22:27] <philipballew> but how can I patch my wifi card to inject packets into my router ...
[22:27] <gua> oops
[22:27] <philipballew> :(
[22:27] <gua> philipballew: find another mirror :)
[22:28] <gua> people around /r/linux on reddit were discussing places to find kernel.org stuff. iirc one person mentioned that arch linux maintains a kernel.org mirror
[22:29] <philipballew> ah, im jusy trying to set this up  is http://wireless.kernel.org/ down for anyone else?
[22:29] <philipballew> no
[22:29] <philipballew> this up
[22:29] <philipballew> http://www.janoweb.net/tutorials/installazione-drivers-rtl8187-r8187-rt2800usb-su-ubuntu-lucid-maverick.html#axzz1YuSV3Gqe\
[22:29] <philipballew> but i guess i could look for a mirrior
[22:30] <philipballew> arch linux is nice
[22:31] <gua> i
[22:31] <gua> i'm looking for some good mirrors now and it's not the easiest thing to find
[22:31] <gua> i'd feel better about arch if there were more people working on it. it takes them a long time to implement kinda basic stuff.
[22:32] <philipballew> that seems like how they like it somewhat
[22:33] <gua> philipballew: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/klbxn/with_kernelorg_down_where_can_i_find_the_last_few/
[22:34] <gua> well package signing was/is the big thing. to play with in a vm sure, but i'm going to give it quite a few years before looking at it as a desktop or server distro
[22:34] <philipballew> im always told its the true choice of geeks
[22:35] <gua> dunno about that
[22:36] <philipballew> i dont beleive them myself
[22:36] <philipballew> its debian based somewhat isnt it?
[22:43] <gua> i don't think so. wikipedia has something on its origins
[22:43] <gua> iirc it's from scratch but inspired a lot by some other distro
[22:50] <rww> Arch has nothing to do with Debian.
[22:50] <rww> They're also claiming that package signing is coming sometime soon. We'll see.
[22:50] <rww> Well, I won't. I'm fine with Debian <3
[22:58]  * bkerensa gets to go see master.kernel.org soon


[01:05] <anir> #suse-es
[01:06] <anir> #suse
[01:06] <Burgwork> anir: hmm?
[01:13] <_ion> I believe she means we should start talking about Ubuntu development on those channels. I think this channel is more suitable, though.
[01:14] <Burgwork> right
[01:21] <LaserJock> I thought this was the opensuse devel channel? doh
[01:21] <LaserJock> ;-)
[01:23] <alex-weej> LOL did anyone get that email from "Shark Muddleworth" on ubuntu-devel?
[01:24] <infinity> No, you're the only one who got it.
[01:24] <infinity> (It's a mailing list, asking if people got the mail seems silly)
[01:25] <crimsun> I'm a bit befuddled at this FTBFS:  "Error: Package: and Architecture: do not alternate in debian/control"
[01:26] <infinity> crimsun: It's either a bug in pkg-create-dbgsyms (bug pitti), or you're actually generating broken control files.
[01:27] <crimsun> http://librarian.launchpad.net/5157781/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.realtime-lsm_0.8.7-2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:27] <crimsun> it's appearing right after dh_strip is called
[01:27] <infinity> Yes, which would be pkg-create-dbgsyms.
[01:27] <crimsun> ok, thanks.
[01:27] <alex-weej> *has anyone read it
[01:27] <infinity> But it doesn't mean your package isn't buggy anyway.
[01:27] <alex-weej> infinity: cock monkey :P
[01:28] <crimsun> infinity: the original sync (which built in Debian) directly from Debian Sid FTBFS, too, so I don't think it's a buggy package
[01:28] <infinity> crimsun: Hrm, the package looks okay at a glance.  But pitti about the error.
[01:28] <crimsun> ok, danke
[01:30] <infinity> Oh, wait.
[01:31] <mjg59> infinity: Dude, Saturday.
[01:31] <infinity> crimsun: The Source stanza has an Arch line.
[01:31] <infinity> crimsun: That's not allowed.
[01:31] <infinity> crimsun: Remove it, SVP.
[01:31] <crimsun> interesting, thanks
[01:31] <infinity> crimsun: (And file a bug in Debian on it, please)
[01:31] <crimsun> will do, with patch pushed.
[01:32] <infinity> mjg59: Saturwhat?
[02:41] <bluefoxicy> jdub:  still trying to get grsec working?
[05:32] <luisbg> anybody knows a dbus service made in python?
[05:49] <Fall2Hell> anyone here?
[05:49] <Hobbsee>  perhaps
[05:50] <Fall2Hell> i need help
[05:50] <Hobbsee> sounds like a #ubuntu type of question
[05:50] <Hobbsee> see the /topic
[05:50] <Fall2Hell> sorry
[05:50] <Fall2Hell> wrong chanel :)
[05:50] <Fall2Hell> thx
[05:51] <Hobbsee> if you're not actually saying what it is...we cant really help
[07:33] <StevenK> sfllaw: Hi. Have you got a sec to talk about wlassistant?
[07:43] <sfllaw> StevenK: Oh man, it's 1:43.
[07:43] <sfllaw> And I'm a bit tipsy.
[07:43] <sfllaw> So technical talk is a bit out.
[07:43] <sfllaw> But I can try.
[07:43] <StevenK> sfllaw: I'd suggest leaving it then.
[07:44] <sfllaw> StevenK: Is this about the SRU?  And my concerns about the usleep()?
[07:44] <sfllaw> StevenK: I can talk about that.
[07:44] <StevenK> sfllaw: Ah.
[07:45] <StevenK> sfllaw: I agree with you, that usleep() may be a bit racy on slower hardware, but what to do instead?
[07:46] <StevenK> sfllaw: My only thought is looping for a maximum of say 5 seconds, checking that an IP has been assigned.
[07:46] <sfllaw> By the time dhclient exits, hasn't it finished configuring things?
[07:46] <StevenK> It forks and daemonizes
[07:46] <sfllaw> Does it daemonize instantly?
[07:46] <sfllaw> Doesn't it write stuff?
[07:47] <StevenK> You're suggesting don't usleep() at all?
[07:47] <sfllaw> It daemonizes _after_ assigning an IP.
[07:47] <sfllaw> Lemme look at the source.
[07:47] <StevenK> I'm happy to upload 3.2 that dumps usleep() or does something else.
[07:52] <sfllaw> StevenK: Hmm.  Looking at WirelessAssistant::runCommand, it looks like it exits after the command it runs does.
[07:52] <sfllaw> Is that true?
[07:54] <StevenK> sfllaw: It also has a timeout.
[07:55] <sfllaw> StevenK: It will return ::ERR::killed if the timeout hits, right?
[07:56] <sfllaw> And then you return in that case.
[07:56] <sfllaw> Due to CONNECTION FAILED.
[07:56] <sfllaw> So I guess I'm not concerned anymore about that usleep.
[07:57] <sfllaw> It's just superfluous.
[07:57] <sfllaw> By the time dhclient exits, it should have set things and run all its exithooks.
[07:57] <sfllaw> OK.  Well, I can test it on Monday and let you know.
[07:57] <StevenK> Right. Thanks.
[07:57] <sfllaw> Did you uncomment that usleep line because it looked like it shouldn't have been commented out?
[07:58] <StevenK> And also I wasn't certain of dhclient's behaviour.
[07:59] <sfllaw> StevenK: UTSL!
[07:59] <StevenK> Yeah, well. :-/
[07:59] <sfllaw> StevenK: Also, always be weary of arbitrary sleeps.
[07:59] <StevenK> Good advice.
[08:02] <infinity> s/weary/wary/, I assume, though "weary of sleep" is cute. :)
[08:02] <sfllaw> infinity: I love bad puns.
[08:03] <infinity> Especially when they can be used as a cover for poor spelling? :P
[08:03] <sfllaw> Indeed.
[08:03] <sfllaw> The puns go up as the wine goes down.
[08:04] <StevenK> archive.ubuntu.com has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:04] <StevenK> Let's see it download from the internet now.
[09:36] <dade`> someone using a macbook here ?
[10:09] <raphink> o_O
[10:09] <raphink> linda wishes itself a happy birthday today
[10:09] <raphink> when you launch it
[10:14] <ajmitch> raphink: look in /usr/share/python-support/linda/linda/eggs.py
[10:15] <raphink> hi ajmitch
[10:15] <ajmitch> hello
[10:15] <raphink> :)
[10:17] <raphink> ajmitch: lyricue is on REVU. Do you think you could have a look and complete what I already said about it?
[10:20] <raphink> thanks http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3461
[02:12] <cjwatson> hmm, oops, we broke USB stick installs in Edgy :-(
[02:12] <cjwatson> bug 66220
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66220 in busybox "ubuntu edgy hd-media image couldn't mount iso file." [High,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66220
[02:12] <Hobbsee> cjwatson: with the hal update?
[02:12] <cjwatson> Hobbsee: the clue's in "... in busybox"
[02:13] <Hobbsee> ah, that's different, sorry
[02:13] <cjwatson> i.e. no, nothing to do with hal. hal doesn't run in the installer
[02:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, hadnt actually read the report yet.  didnt even see installs in there
[02:18] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: when you're doing merges, please do actually list the changes still present, not just "All changes preserved"
[02:18] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: okay.  usually i do.  which was this for?
[02:19] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: a bunch you did two or three days ago
[02:19] <Hobbsee> hrm
[02:21] <Mithrandir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2006-November/001191.html for instance
[02:21] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:21] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: if you tend to do it, that's fine, I just noticed two or three in a row and thought I should poke you about it.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> i probably did
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: when will heno be back here? office hours, presumably
[02:24] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: monday, 0800 UTC or thereabout, I'd imagine
[02:24] <Hobbsee> ok
[02:46] <bhale> take that :)
[02:46] <bhale> not BenC long, mind you
[02:49] <Hobbsee> bhale: i wonder if there's a limit on how long they can be.  guess not
[03:52] <bhale> hi pitti
[03:52] <bhale> someone marked lp #65886 as "security vulnerability", it is a normal segfault
[03:52] <bhale> can you debunk?
[03:52] <bhale> "This bug may be a security problem since segfaults in unmanaged native code are often exploitable."
[03:53] <Mithrandir> bhale: but you can run code as yourself!
[03:53] <bhale> Mithrandir: oh nose!
[03:53] <pradeep> bug 65886
[03:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65886 in beagle "beagle segfaults in libwv native code" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/65886
[03:53] <bhale> ah that is where I can unmark it
[03:57] <lamont> pitti: any word from those logfiles?
[04:01] <pitti> hi bhale
[04:02] <pitti> lamont: I looked at them, but they gave me no clue
[04:02] <lamont> pitti: figures
[04:02] <lamont> note that nss has ldap involved, although the user in question resolves completely within 'files'
[04:02] <pitti> lamont: a hal debug log *might*
[04:03] <lamont> pitti: ok.  same instructions as edgy?>
[04:03] <lamont> er, dapper
[04:03] <pitti> yes
 bhale: but you can run code as yourself!
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> Mithrandir:  actually a hole in libwv would more likely mean someone could dcc you a word document, your auto-accept would stick it in ~/dcc/, and then beagle would index it and libwv would run code from it
[04:08] <bluefoxicy> but you have to actually have an exploitable hole; some segfaults are, but some fall short.
[04:09] <Mithrandir> bluefoxicy: don't take candy from stangers.
[04:09] <Ng> xchat-gnome in edgy defaults to auto-accepting dcc :/
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> Mithrandir:  I know I know, people fill my disk up once in a while
[04:23] <sladen> mpt: you'll love http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html
[04:26] <Mithrandir> sladen: as somebody in here commented - we can't suspend and hibernate reliably enough yet and it also doesn't give the user the ability to differentiate between "I'm going away" and "I'm going away and would like my programs to keep running".
[04:27] <sladen> Mithrandir: what I found scary was that all the continion we'd had over the "big logout dialogue" and to find out that MS had come up with the same "show them all"
[04:43] <cjwatson> bhale,Mithrandir: given that it's while indexing mailboxes, surely "somebody can send you a mail that can run code as you" is closer to the mark than "you can run code as yourself"
[04:44] <cjwatson> Joel employs the disgraceful debating tactic of pre-emptively discarding any argument that disagrees with him
[04:44] <bhale> cjwatson: one of the bigger problems with beagle (or anything like it)
[04:48] <sladen> Mithrandir: while you're around, did you have further ideas to add at the end of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDStackedFileSystem
[04:49] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: it's harder to argue your mail server shouldn't take candy from strangers, I guess.
[04:49] <Mithrandir> sladen: yes, but not on a Saturday early evening.
[05:05] <siretart> is nov 30 still targeted for herd1? there seem to be no dailies yet
[05:56] <cjwatson> siretart: hard to say yet - I haven't finished merging the installer, which is why there are no dailies
[05:58] <cjwatson> working on that as fast as possible
[05:58] <cjwatson> ubiquity will need a half-day's work to deal with partman-auto changes
[05:58] <cjwatson> if the first CDs Just Work then the 30th may be possible, but if not then it may be optimistic ;-)
[06:07] <siretart> cjwatson: no problem 'bout that. I just looked at FeistyReleaseSchedule and wondered that herd1 is scheduled that early from now
[06:24] <MatthewG> fsck.ext3 -nv /dev/sda1 reports this ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33925/ ... this is a second box, and it shows the exact same things. What gives? It's ubuntu server install with LAMP option. Is ubuntu installing a borked filesystem or something?
[06:38] <revoltee> hi
[06:38] <revoltee> how is ubuntu comparatively tyo deian
[06:38] <revoltee> debian
[06:38] <revoltee> very different?
[06:38] <revoltee> i mean kernel wise
[06:40] <Lathiat> kernels are quite different yes
[06:40] <Lathiat> notably ubuntu adds drivers and makes some modifitions etc, AIUI debian packages pure stock kernels?
[06:42] <siretart> Lathiat: the debian kernels are patched quite heavily as well. e.g. they have kernel images with linux vserver and xen and both
[06:42] <sladen> the debian kernels are not 'stock'---they too have patches, as required
[06:42] <Lathiat> oh hrm ok, i thougth they didnt at all
[06:42] <sladen> but not quite the number of driver/latest crack patches that Ubuntu attempts to ship
[06:42] <Lathiat> apparently i was wrong :)
[06:42] <revoltee> so in short
[06:43] <revoltee> debian kernels are way better
[06:43] <siretart> revoltee: who says this?
[06:43] <Lathiat> "better" is subjective
[06:43] <revoltee> siretart: im asking
[06:43] <siretart> revoltee: the debian kernels support less hardware. what do you mean with 'better'?
[06:43] <revoltee> better as in performance
[06:43] <revoltee> optimizatioin
[06:44] <neuralis> revoltee: how did you infer anything at all about performance from the conversation above?
[06:45] <neuralis> revoltee: we ship a desktop kernel, a server kenrel, a supercomputer kernel, and a xen kernel. all are tuned to their respective uses.
[06:45] <siretart> IIRC ubuntu's kernel is compiled with SSP. so it is potentially more 'secure'
[06:45] <sladen> ..looking carefully at your userspace is far more likely to create gains than tinkering with the kernel
[07:46] <ssam> is there anyone around that i could talk to about a possible security bug in ubuntu (i think it might be specific to powerpc)
[07:47] <Laser_away> ssam: it seems pitti isn't here at the moment
[07:48] <Laser_away> ssam: you might just want to file the bug and make sure to mark it as a security bug
[07:49] <ssam> Laser_away, ok, i just thought i should check that i was not being silly first
[08:28] <revoltee> i test all the live installations of linux .. in vmware before really trying to install or run it live with  a reboot ..
[08:28] <revoltee> o how does it actually partition the RAM and stuff and run an OS inside an OS
[08:28] <revoltee> so
[08:28] <revoltee> just need a basic idea of how vmware does this
[08:28] <revoltee>  question is how is the bridging done ..?
[08:36] <siretart> revoltee: this channel is about ubuntu development. please ask in #ubuntu for end user support
[08:44] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[09:11] <ogra> BenC, around by chance ?
[09:41] <siretart> hey ajmitch
[10:25] <JB[away] > Any news about this bug ? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/62820
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 62820 in apache2 "RPC over HTTP" [Medium,Unconfirmed]


[12:44] <mantiena> hi all
[12:45] <mantiena> I have one question about squashfs/lzma - is lzma enabled in final hardy kernel ?
[12:46] <mantiena> I mean - could I use lzma compression when compressing filesystem.squashfs
[12:46] <alex_joni> mantiena: the customize wiki page specifically says to use -nolzma
[12:47] <alex_joni> that said, I'm not sure if lzma is enabled or not in the kernel
[12:48] <alex_joni> mantiena: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177634
[12:48] <alex_joni> mantiena: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-March/002201.html
[12:48] <alex_joni> I guess that means lzma is not available
[12:48] <mantiena> alex_joni: I've noticed -nolzma in customization wiki, but there was no info why don't use lzma :)
[12:48] <mantiena> alex_joni: thanks for info
[14:01] <BenC> rtg: any chance you have updated configs for non x86 arch's for > 2.6.24?
[14:09] <rtg> BenC: you mean for Intrepid? I don't think I finished the configs until after I dumped all the non x86 arches.
[14:09] <BenC> rtg: Ah, np then
[14:09] <BenC> Trying to finish up this linux-ports package
[14:10] <rtg> BenC: there might be some from really early in the Intrepid tree.
[14:11] <rtg> BenC: thinking about reviewing all of the SRUs today, then rebasing Intrepid to -rc1
[17:00] <qense> did your forget to package the new kernel modules for virtualbox or is it still in the planning?
[17:00] <qense> it's not very good for business users who depend on virtualbox that suddenly it isn't supported anymore by the newest kernel and they have to compile the module all by theirselves
[17:33] <blueyed> qense: you are using hardy-proposed then, not? I'm in the process of building/updating it..
[17:34] <qense> oh :P
[17:34] <qense> my bad
[17:34] <qense> yes, I'm using ti
[17:34] <qense> I'd like to help Ubuntu with testing this before it's released :)
[17:34] <qense> now I understand
[17:34] <qense> when will it be ready?
[17:36] <blueyed> qense: in a few hours.
[17:36] <qense> ok, thx
[17:36] <qense> btw, have you heard about the request form lenovo, HP, dell and some others at the linux dev summit?
[17:37] <qense> they've strongly asked their component manufacturors to create better/good (open-source) linux drivers to be included in the kernel
[17:37] <blueyed> no?
[17:37] <qense> so I hope we'll notice that in the next kernel release :)
[17:37] <BenC> qense: We've seen some promising results from that
[17:37] <BenC> intrepid should have interesting drivers because of it
[17:38] <qense> yeah, I'm really looking forward to it
[17:38] <qense> the reason why I wanted to use virtualbox was too test interpid already
[17:38] <BenC> be hard core and test it on real hardware :)
[17:38] <qense> maybe I'll isntall it over my windows installation ;)
[17:40] <qense> when will catlyst 8.4 be included in Ubuntu btw?
[17:41] <SEJeff> BenC, Do you think Intrepid will *actually* see anything because of that? Seems like to me it would be Intrepid+(1|2) will see the results
[17:41] <qense> I think we'll see a tiny bit of it in 2.6.26
[17:42] <SEJeff> step 1 vendors hire oss developers and/or release docs, step 2 drivers are written, step 3 drivers are tested, step 4 distros ship them
[17:43] <qense> well, I'm looking forward to 9.04 ;)
[17:43] <qense> and 9.10
[17:43] <qense> and all other Ubuntu releases
[17:44] <SEJeff> qense, I dont think we'll see anything that hasn't been already been happening behind the scenes with Greg Kh's linux driver program
[17:44] <qense> I know
[17:44] <SEJeff> Linux always evolves. Look at Warty vs Hardy. It is amazing
[17:44] <qense> yes
[17:44] <qense> linux is one of the greates software projects in the world
[18:09] <BenC> rtg: why did you upload the kernel to hardy-proposed?
[18:10] <BenC> rtg: SEJeff I know for a fact intrepid will see some benefit of that
[18:10] <BenC> s/rtg/SEJeff/
[18:10] <BenC> SEJeff: Dell et al announcing that was way after they actually started doing it
[18:11] <SEJeff> BenC, Alright, you have better contacts than I (Canonical). Thats great news
[18:11] <SEJeff> I see announcements as fluff. Only the code and contributions matter
[18:11] <BenC> That announcement was more than fluff
[18:12] <SEJeff> Well then it is seriously good news
[18:12] <BenC> We've had ODM's contacting us directly as a result of pressure from OEM's like Dell
[18:13] <BenC> some of them have even been put on a timeline for getting open source drivers out, by the OEM (note, I can't say any names at all)
[18:13] <SEJeff> Of course, NDAs both ways. That is fantastic though and means a lot for open source
[18:14] <SEJeff> BenC, Any luck in SRUs for new hardware support? Doubtful, but is it a possibility?
[18:14] <BenC> SEJeff: Only for Hardy, and only in line with out first point release (which is in about 3 months)
[18:18] <SEJeff> Thats great news for OSS as a whole
[18:31] <rtg><PHONE_NUMBER>
[18:31] <rtg> BenC: ^^
[18:38] <mantiena> doko: hi
[21:55] <PeP`> Hello, I have a litle question about a kernel message that makes me wonder... "message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0" ... why this redhat occurrency?
[22:08] <johanbr> PeP`: I think that's actually from network-manager. It's just a dbus name used by n-m, probably since it was originally coded by a RH guy.
[22:09] <PeP`> uhu... thank you johanbr


[23:15] <Lgndryhr> hi, i am hoping someone can help me with a problem i am having lol. for some reason when i try to load up a memory card via a card reader it wont mount now at all. ever since i upgraded to 7.10 it wont mount any of the memory cards in my card reader.
[23:15] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, So just go to envy and do the uninstall driver thing.
[23:16] <sYn_0n3> microwaver:yes
[23:16] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, and then reinstalling, and then just reboot my graphic environment (ctrl+alt+backspace)
[23:16] <azuki> Slart: I just don't seem to be able to format to ntfs, yet I don't really care :).. I've been using ext3 since.. :)
[23:16] <lilg111111> how do you start evolution, i dont have the icon
[23:16] <sYn_0n3> uninstall the driver and reinstall using the ati.bin from amd site
[23:17] <legend2440> !ati
[23:17] <techt0nix> when i downloaded nvidia driver off nvidia.com and try to open it i get this Could not open the file /home/techt0nix/Desktop/…Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run using the Unicode (UTF-8) character coding.
[23:17] <techt0nix> when i downloaded nvidia driver off nvidia.com and try to open it i get this Could not open the file /home/techt0nix/Desktop/…Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run using the Unicode (UTF-8) character coding. can anyone help?
[23:18] <pignu> is there an option to choose between open source ati driver and binary one? or is it only fglrx?
[23:18] <combat> techt0nix, you should open it in terminal
[23:18] <azuki> I stopped smoking 3 weeks ago..
[23:18] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 Brb then =) reboot.
[23:18] <techt0nix> combat, ill try
[23:18] <Lgndryhr> hi, i am hoping someone can help me. for some reason when i try to load up a memory card via a card reader it wont mount now at all. ever since i upgraded to 7.10 it wont mount any of the memory cards in my card reader.
[23:18] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: i unistalled the restricted drivers then reinstalled the ati.bin
[23:18] <techt0nix> combat, lol whats the command to open it
[23:18] <marshall> heya
[23:19] <Devourer> If I have a NTFS partition will Ubuntu automatically mount it and is it safe to unmount it?
[23:19] <combat> techt0nix, try to add "sh" before the filename
[23:19] <sYn_0n3> techtonix: ./file
[23:19] <lilg111111> how do you start evolution, i dont have the icon
[23:19] <sYn_0n3> Lgndryhr: did you pass options to the fstab to mount the mem cards?
[23:19] <pike_> Lgndryhr: unplug replug the sd card then type dmesg| tail do you see a sda1 or sdb1 or sdc etc?
[23:20] <combat> lilg111111, what icon are you missing? otherwise start it by pressing Alt-F2 first
[23:20] <sYn_0n3> lilglll:evolution --component=mail
[23:20] <techt0nix> combat, i get sh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[23:20] <sYn_0n3> techt0nix: ./file
[23:21] <geirha> lilg111111: should be under Applications -> Internet
[23:21] <lilg111111> combat, i dont have the evolution mail icon
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: i don't know. i know before 7.10 it worked
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> pike_: when i do that i get
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> [17193097.960000] ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dffefdec] 'on'
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> [17193097.964000] ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dffefdec] 'on'
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> [17193098.076000] ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dffefdec] 'on'
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> [17193098.080000] ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dffefdec] 'on'
[23:21] <FloodBot3> Lgndryhr: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:21] <lilg111111> how do you start it with alt f2
[23:21] <combat> techt0nix, then make it executable by "chmod a+x file" and then ./file
[23:21] <lilg111111> geirha, its not there
[23:21] <combat> lilg111111, only press alt f2 and type evolution --component=mail
[23:21] <legend2440> techt0nix:  ./ NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[23:21] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: i don't know. i know before 7.10 it worked
[23:22] <sYn_0n3> lgndryhr: post ur fstab
[23:22] <techt0nix> legend2440, sh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[23:22] <Lgndryhr> pike_: the card i am using is not a sd but a ms duo
[23:22] <TaRDy> the top parts of my windows seem to have disappeared (what you can move them with) when I enable compiz
[23:22] <techt0nix> legend2440, sorry TYPO sh: Can't open ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run
[23:22] <microwaver> sYn_0d3, nope, still got low-graphics mode
[23:22] <techt0nix> legend2440, tryed sh: Can't open /NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run  also
[23:22] <Devourer> How do I mount a partition?
[23:22] <legend2440> techt0nix:  check permissions
[23:23] <sYn_0n3> mount /dev...........
[23:23] <balle> can i format one of my drives from ntfs to something else, without erasing the intere disk?
[23:23] <legend2440> techt0nix:  check permissions make sure is executeable
[23:23] <georgy_28> techt0nix, : chmod a+x NVIDIA
[23:23] <balle> running ubuntu 6.06
[23:23] <combat> techt0nix, did u set permissions by "chmod a+x NVIDIA-Linux-..."
[23:23] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: do you have the linux restricted drivers installed?
[23:23] <techt0nix> combat, i dont know how to set permissions lol
[23:23] <combat> balle, no
[23:23] <geirha> balle: no. you can go from fat to ntfs, but ntfs is a dead end in that respect
[23:24] <combat> techt0nix, you set permissions exactly with the command we posted
[23:24] <sYn_0n3> techt0nix: chmod options
[23:24] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, where to check that, becasue I think so, but not sure.
[23:24] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: how do i post it without flooding
[23:24] <azuki> devourer: right-click mount in the places->computer
[23:24] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: can you open synaptic?
[23:24] <balle> geirha   i want to go FROM ntfs to fat, is that possible?
[23:24] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: been a while since i used IRC
[23:24] <balle> aha!
[23:24] <Devourer> azuki, I don't see the icon.
[23:24] <balle> i got it now
[23:24] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, Yes.
[23:24] <balle> and damm
[23:25] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: open synaptic and check to see if linux restricted drivers is installed..if so uninstall it and install the ati.bin
[23:25] <Devourer> azuki, but I can browse it under /media
[23:25] <geirha> balle: your best bet is to shrink the ntfs partition as much as possible, then create a fat along side it, and copy over the data
[23:25] <sYn_0n3> Lgndryhr: nano /etc/fstab or whatever text editor you use
[23:25] <runst8> sweet! my work was throwing out a digital projector, so now I have a 5' by 3' monitor
[23:25] <techt0nix> combat, chmod a+x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run "that right?
[23:25] <combat> yeah
[23:25] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: gedit /etc/fstab
[23:26] <georgy_28> techt0nix, : yes
[23:26] <sYn_0n3> lgndryhr: whatever works for you
[23:26] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, problem is, i can't seem to find the .bin file. on the ati site it is only .run files
[23:26] <combat> and then type "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run"
[23:26] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: i didnt mean how to do it in terminal how to post on here
[23:26] <techt0nix> chmod: cannot access `NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run': No such file or directory
[23:26] <techt0nix> \
[23:26] <balle> geirha: the problem is that i can't access the ntfs partition, so copying from it is a bit of a problem, thx for the good suggestion though
[23:26] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: sorry for bad english..thats what i meant
[23:26] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: b/c it will flood the irc i think
[23:26] <geirha> Lgndryhr: paste at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ then paste your url here
[23:26] <sYn_0n3> lgndryhr: use pastebin
[23:26] <thequickbrownfox> if i had a question about rivendell on ubuntu where/what channel would i go to?
[23:26] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 Totally not a problem.
[23:27] <MatBoy> nice new gnome is out :)
[23:27] <sYn_0n3> u see how we ubuntuers support each other...screw shoving out xxx$ for bill gates crap
[23:27] <techt0nix> combat, i tryed it i get chmod: cannot access `NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1': No such file or directory
[23:27] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59431/
[23:27] <geirha> balle: ubuntu should be able to access ntfs partitions. What's the problem you're having?
[23:27] <artenius> how can I install the ebuild command in ubuntu?
[23:28] <combat> techt0nix, did u forget the ".run"?
[23:28] <artenius> hhehe
[23:28] <techt0nix> combat, tryed it with .run also
[23:28] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 Performing a search on drivers atm
[23:28] <combat> maybe you are in the wrong directory
[23:28] <balle> geirha: yes, i have been able to before,  it says that i am not the owner of the partition and therefore i may not do anything with it, short of knowing it's there
[23:28] <techt0nix> combat, will the driver downloaded to my desktop
[23:28] <combat> techt0nix, maybe you downloaded the driver onto the desktop, then you should goto that directory first, if you are in ~, type "cd Desktop"
[23:29] <geirha> balle: are you trying to manually mount it with the mount command?
[23:29] <Spamalot> someone here called faggot?
[23:29] <combat> techt0nix, and then do the chmod command and execute it finally
[23:29] <azuki> Devourer: did you try mount yet?
[23:29] <Onyx> How can I access phpmyadmin?
[23:29] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 in graphics section says nothing about linux restriced driver
[23:30] <balle> geirha: i have tried to make the universe reposatories work, but it says i have some outdated urls...
[23:30] <techt0nix> combat, im sorry but type "cd desktop" where? sorry to bug u im just new to this stuff
[23:30] <Spamalot> did you try turning it on and off again?
[23:30] <angusb> Im running vmware and trying to use the update manager
[23:30] <balle> geirha: don't know what else i'm doing
[23:30] <angusb> but everything stops
[23:30] <sYn_0n3> microwaver:in synaptic?
[23:30] <angusb> or rather, fails
[23:30] <Devourer> azuki, yes.
[23:30] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: you get it?
[23:30] <combat> techt0nix, all the commands into the console
[23:30] <Devourer> azuki, I didn't receive any errors.
[23:30] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 Synaptic Package Manager > graphics > right?
[23:30] <azuki> devourer: sometimes a reboot helpes with mounting and drives
[23:30] <georgy_28> Onyx, : http://localhost/phpmyadmin ?
[23:31] <combat> techt0nix, open console, type "cd Desktop", then type "chmod a+x NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run" and then "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run"
[23:31] <Devourer> azuki, I don't want to reboot... :((( But I guess I'll have to to edit some partitions.
[23:31] <geirha> basti: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[23:31] <azuki> devourer: did you format during this boot?
[23:31] <geirha> balle: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[23:31] <Devourer> azuki, what do you mean?
[23:31] <MatBoy> when can we expect Gnome 2.22 in Ubuntu ?
[23:31] <Onyx> georgy_28: sweet :)
[23:31] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: thats not how i do it..just search for linux restricted and see whats checked off if n e thing at all
[23:31] <geirha> basti: sorry, wrong nick
[23:31] <azuki> devourer: did you format or partition the drive during this boot?
[23:31] <georgy_28> Onyx, : have fun :)
[23:31] <sYn_0n3> lgndryhr: it seems the mem card reader is not in the fstab...you have to pass options
[23:32] <artenius> can anyone tell me how I can make this command work? ebuild /usr/portage/net-irc/xchat-xsys/xchat-xsys-2.0.9.ebuild digest
[23:32] <tincantipper> have a good one, all you linux users.  im going back to vista due to eve not being able to function with ubuntu and wine
[23:32] <techt0nix> combat, thank you it worked
[23:32] <Devourer> azuki, no. But I gtg, I'll be back later.
[23:32] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: and would i do that
[23:32] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: * and how would i do that
[23:32] <balle> geirha: how do i get that list up? i cant just write /etc/apt.... in the terminal
[23:32] <sYn_0n3> lgndryhr: you can either add it using the uuid or the /dev location
[23:32] <xobius> artenius, that is an ebuil in Gentoo
[23:32] <techt0nix> combat, lol now it says must be run at root
[23:33] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-generic is green, linux-restricted-modules-common is green, linux-restricted-modules-generic is green
[23:33] <azuki> Devourer: I would try rebooting tho :)...
[23:33] <geirha> balle: cat /etc/apt/sources.list in a terminal, or open it in your favourite text-editor
[23:33] <lilg111111> i need to set up my free yahoo account to work with evolution
[23:33] <Lgndryhr> sYn_0n3: uuid? i have that but how to use it
[23:33] <artenius> xobius: I'm probably getting in way over my head then
[23:34] <combat> techt0nix, then try "sudo ./NVIDIA-Linux-..."
[23:34] <balle> geirha: thx that worked
[23:34] <balle> and i will do
[23:34] <azuki> I don't think html-email works with evolution
[23:34] <techt0nix> combat, yes i did it says i need to exit X server before installing
[23:34] <sYn_0n3> lgndryhr:file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[23:34] <combat> omg
[23:34] <xobius> artenius, it is a bash script, but it don't run in Ubuntu
[23:34] <ltcabral> hey guys... got my theme working.. except for the panel bar... which didnt change style just color... how can i load the theme for it too??
[23:35] <artenius> xobius: oh, I'm just trying to patch xchat-xsys to work with xmms
[23:35] <sadaa> hi can i put music onto an ipod with a special program with ubuntu?
[23:35] <sadaa> or no?
[23:35] <Pelo> ltcabral, what kind of "style" were you expecting ? can you give us a url to the screenshot fo the theme you want ?
[23:35] <xobius> artenius, the ebuild work with a source file
[23:35] <angusb> I fsomething is KDE based, like amarok, can I play it in GNOME (regular ubuntu)
[23:35] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: uninstall all of them but check dependancies before you do...synaptic will prompt you
[23:35] <artenius> xobius: figured there might be a way to get xmms to report to a pipe or something, and have xchat-xsys pick it up
[23:36] <legend2440> techt0nix: right click Nvidia*.run and check properties>permissions
[23:36] <angusb> If something is KDE based, like amarok, can I still run it in GNOME (regular ubuntu)?
[23:36] <redbox> angusb: yes
[23:36] <azuki> ltcabral: you could try rightclicking it, --> properties and then background it.. would that be enough?
[23:36] <combat> techt0nix, i never installed the nvidia-driver, cant help at this point, maybe you should really boot the rescue mode and type all the commands there
[23:36] <georgy_28> angusb, : yes
[23:36] <Pelo> sadaa, look at gtkpod , but amarok and rythmbox are suppose to let you do it to through the music libraries
[23:36] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 Uninstalled them. Will now do the .run , again
[23:36] <angusb> redbox how would I go about doing that
[23:36] <geirha> angusb: yes. I use amarok in gnome.
[23:36] <redbox> angusb: install it and open it.
[23:36] <ltcabral> Pelo: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=68803&file1=68803-1.jpg&file2=68803-2.png&file3=&name=BlackWhite
[23:36] <angusb> install it
[23:36] <sYn_0n3> angusb: if you want to use kde apps in gnome you need to install full fleged kde..its a package not source
[23:36] <geirha> angusb: Applications -> Add/Remove -> search for amarok and install
[23:36] <Pelo> ltcabral, hold on , let me have a look
[23:36] <xobius> artenius, perhaps in the ebuild say what pacth is and where download it
[23:37] <sYn_0n3> if you use a distro built on source ie sabayon or gentoo then yes u can run kde apps in gnome and vice versa
[23:37] <angusb> sYn_0n3 im using vmware currently
[23:37] <angusb> still possible?
[23:37] <artenius> xobius: yes I know where to download it, how would I run it? just put it in the correct folder and run like any bash script?
[23:37] <xobius> artenius, next you use the patch command and buil it from its source
[23:37] <sYn_0n3> angusb: yes still possible
[23:37] <TrustNoOne> vertically my desktop icons are spaced good, but horizontally they are too far apart, how can i change this?
[23:38] <angusb> okay
[23:38] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 if I run the installation file, it says ' vcdk is missing, Installation aborted'
[23:38] <olskolirc> hey guys
[23:38] <ltcabral> azuki: does not work... its set to use the system theme but actually its not using it... only the background color changed
[23:38] <sYn_0n3> microwaver how are u trying to install it
[23:38] <olskolirc> can someone give me a good torrent site?
[23:38] <luisgmarine> hey gusy I reformatted my second hard drive with nothing on it.  when I went to boot ubuntu it said that it was missing my /home
[23:38] <luisgmarine> how do I fix grub, it says the partition order or something changed
[23:38] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 in terminal go to directory and then sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8-3-x86.x86_64.run
[23:38] <Pelo> ltcabral, ok , most of those are ...  pannel apps you need to add manualy , some may even be a seperate app that looks like a pannel , I wouldn't be surprise if the bottom one was a very customised conky
[23:38] <thequickbrownfox> i have no idea how to use irc... anyone able to help? i dont even know how i got in this chatroom
[23:38] <xobius> artenius, look at this http://www.cpqlinux.com/patch.html
[23:39] <pike_> thequickbrownfox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat   <-- may help
[23:39] <Pelo> ltcabral, actualy I'm almost certain that the bottom pannel is conky ,  you'll need to find the conkyrc file for it , look in that themes page to see if it is listed
[23:39] <pike_> thequickbrownfox: as a rule if speaking with someone you want to type their name first so it highlights it for em just first few letter and hit tab key to autocomplete
[23:39] <artenius> xobius: ahh thanks.. yeah that's a little too complicated for my level of experience currently.
[23:39] <xobius> artenius, unlockely the build script isn't installed in Ubuntu
[23:39] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: did u uninstall the restricted drivers?
[23:40] <sYn_0n3> if so...reinstall using envy
[23:40] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 removed them yes.
[23:40] <kingweasel> why does ubuntu access my harddisc every 5 secs
[23:40] <thequickbrownfox> pike_: thanks
[23:40] <ltcabral> Pelo: ya i know, but the panel bar, or the menu when i right click something shuold use the theme, shouldnt it?
[23:40] <combat> kingweasel, deactivate tracker :P
[23:40] <angusb> how do I use apt-get to get amarok?
[23:40] <angusb> like terminal
[23:41] <combat> angusb, apt-get install amarok
[23:41] <kingweasel> i dont have tracker installed
[23:41] <combat> ^^
[23:41] <geirha> angusb: sudo aptitude install amarok
[23:41] <angusb> I want to become proficcient using commandline stuff
[23:41] <sYn_0n3> combat: "sudo"
[23:41] <Pelo> ltcabral, for thte top pannel,  most of it seems to be the windows list,  the clock/calendar on the left,  not sure what the one is ,  migth be the single button menu,, with one being a custom icon,   if you have the ...
[23:41] <Dr_Willis> !apt-get | angusb
[23:41] <xobius> artenius, what is the problem with xchat?
[23:41] <thequickbrownfox> pike_: but how do i pick channels and what not? i dont even know how i got into this one unless its a default
[23:41] <geirha> angusb: aptitude is very similar to apt-get, only a bit better
[23:41] <sYn_0n3> angusb: remember b4 gnome xfce and kde there was only TEXT
[23:41] <angusb> thanks, let mte try
[23:41] <legend2440> angusb: sudo apt-get install amarok
[23:41] <olskolirc> can someone give me a good torrent site?
[23:41] <lilg111111> anybody know how to get yahoo account to work with evolution
[23:41] <kingweasel> isohunt.com
[23:41] <luisgmarine> can someone help me ?  I reformatted my second hdd, ubuntu is installed on the first one, and now grub is saying the boot order is messed up, how do I fix it?
[23:41] <olskolirc> I want some ubuntu books
[23:42] <Pelo> ltcabral, if you got the colour for the panel background and the fonts , you are half way there,  you just need to change the fonts in the appearance manager
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc,  good for what...  torrentpond.com
[23:42] <olskolirc> ohh ok kingweasel thanks
[23:42] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 reinstalling using Envy
[23:42] <azuki> seedpeer.com
[23:42] <Pelo> ltcabral,  but the bottom one is not a pannel , it's conky
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc,  there are legally free Ubuntu books at the ubuntu wiki pages.
[23:42] <angusb> sYn_0n3 I know that's why I want to learn it, life isn't always a GUI
[23:42] <pike_> thequickbrownfox: this is default for ubuntu to go to another channel you can /join #channel   as a test type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc,  google for ubuntu training wiki
[23:42] <kingweasel> olskolirc: for what?
[23:42] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: waiting for you to post results..i hope u can get this working
[23:42] <spiff_> !fr
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc,  theres a free 300+ page book.
[23:42] <olskolirc> yeah Dr_Willis but I like pdf files
[23:42] <ltcabral> Pelo: hm... the font didnt change either
[23:42] <artenius> xobius: no problem really, it's just not saying what song I'm playing when I'm using xmms.
[23:42] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 me 2 been working on this for nearly 3 days :)
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> olskolirc,  and it IS in pdf format.
[23:42] <amenado> luisgmarine-> can you boot from the first drive?
[23:42] <[Neurotic]> Anyone know a way I can record the mic input on Skype (just my voice is necessary)? I tried skype-rec but it doesn't seem to work
[23:42] <AntiUSA> anyone know the best program to use PAR2 files? with a GUI prefereably?
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> AntiUSA,  ive used wine with the various winrar/par tools befor.
[23:43] <artenius> xobius: it's not reporting what song I'm playing no matter what music player I use.
[23:43] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 do I need to reboot my entire machine, or just the GUI.
[23:43] <thequickbrownfox> pike_: how do you find a list of other channels?
[23:43] <sYn_0n3> i have great linux books to share if anyone is interested
[23:43] <sYn_0n3> reboot the machine
[23:43] <Pelo> ltcabral, try changing the font from gconf-editor , probabaly in /apps/pannel somewhere ,   but I would recommend you read the comments for that them in gnome-look , and the instructions
[23:43] <xobius> artenius, I use Amarok try with it
[23:43] <sYn_0n3> just to make sure all old kernel modules are unloaded and new ones reloaded
[23:44] <Jezz> hi
[23:44] <Scunizi> Do all the versions of 7.10 come on 1 cd? I saw this link but no real info on the page .. http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-linuxapp-408830.html
[23:44] <Jezz> is linux skinnable like windows?
[23:44] <Scunizi> *1 DVD
[23:44] <combat> Jezz, more than windows :D
[23:44] <sYn_0n3> Jezz: are you mad
[23:44] <artenius> xobius: seems like no matter what I use, when I type /playing it says  Current playing string: now_playing
[23:44] <ltcabral> Pelo: k ill try a couple more things... btw whats fluxbox?
[23:44] <Jezz> really?
[23:44] <Jezz> lol
[23:44] <kust3mz> Anyone have any ideal why my ubuntu want boot up with my nvidia 5500 video card? but will boot with my onbored video card... please PM me...
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> Jezz,  the window managers/desktop  are often fully themeable..
[23:44] <sYn_0n3> Jezz: if you see my desktop you would ask...what is windows?
[23:44] <Jezz> cool
[23:44] <Jezz> haha
[23:44] <sYn_0n3> lol
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> Jezz,  windows is rather pathic in the theme area now a days.
[23:44] <combat> Jezz, you can ubuntu even make look like windows :D if you want ^^
[23:44] <Scunizi> kust3mz, maybe because of your bios setup?
[23:44] <sYn_0n3> DRwillis: and if you want themes..you have to buy them
[23:45] <azuki> kust3mz: did you look in the bios to turn of the onboard videocard?
[23:45] <sYn_0n3> microsoft for the win
[23:45] <Pelo> Scunizi, you have cd and dvd ,  dvd usualy include the live , and the txt mode,  plus the complete main and universe repos ,  kubuntu , ubuntu, xubuntu each come on a different dvd
[23:45] <angusb> How do apt-get and aptitude know "which" amarok to get
[23:45] <Jezz> What does Ubuntu studio has extra?
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> sYn_0n3,  they did it on purpose that way. and apple did a very smiler thing.
[23:45] <angusb> like couldn't Amarok be anything, many variations
[23:45] <sYn_0n3> angusb: it goes to the same repository
[23:45] <Jezz> doubting which one i should install, normal ubuntu or studio?
[23:45] <xobius> artenius, then amarok isn't  for you
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> Jezz,  check the ubuntu studio web site?
[23:45] <AntiUSA> alright, thanks DrWillis
[23:45] <angusb> sYn_0n3 what doyou mean
[23:45] <Scunizi> Pelo, is the link I gave for everything on the DVD? or is there another location?
[23:45] <Jezz> yeah
[23:45] <Pelo> Dr_Willis,  you say "now a days" as if it was better before
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> Pelo,  win95 was better >:)
[23:45] <sYn_0n3> apt uses an online repository of .deb file ie ubuntu and debian specific
[23:46] <angusb> are all certified programs registered within a repository or something?
[23:46] <sYn_0n3> it will install the latest version
[23:46] <thequickbrownfox> Jezz install normal gutsy and you can upgrade to studio later with apt-get
[23:46] <artenius> xobius: any idea where to find documentation on configuring/editing xchat-xsys, I've googled and can't find it
[23:46] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, no luck :)
[23:46] <angusb> So how doou get your program onto this repository?
[23:46] <angusb> do you have to submit it or something?
[23:46] <Jezz> ok
[23:46] <Pelo> Scunizi, can I get te link again please
[23:46] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: try aticonfig
[23:47] <sYn_0n3> i believe the command is atconfig --configure
[23:47] <Scunizi> Pelo, should have read your post better.. so ubuntu live & alternate w/ univ & multi repos but no kbuntu, x etc.. on that same DVD  right? http://www.fulldls.com/torrent-linuxapp-408830.html
[23:47] <microwaver> sYn_0n3 huge output
[23:47] <kust3mz> Tryed that dident work
[23:47] <Pelo> ltcabral,  fluxbox is another environnement, like gnome or kde or xcfe ,  fluxbox is rather minimal , and supposedly very light on resources,  I'm not very familiar with it
[23:47] <kust3mz> I changed the bios but still did not work
[23:47] <sYn_0n3> anyone in here use enlightenment e17
[23:47] <Jezz> is the mirror slow or is it me?
[23:47] <Jezz> 01h:42m left
[23:48] <Pelo> Scunizi, yes , mind you ,  since you have main and universe,  you can install kubuntu-desktop and/or xubuntu-destktop on top of ubuntu after the initial install
[23:48] <kust3mz> Can someone tell me how to get to run level 3 im in run level one
[23:48] <angusb> When installing Amarok, it asks me what type of database setup I want.  I want to use mysql but I don't have it configured afaik
[23:48] <Pelo> Scunizi, but y ou just can'T select which initial install you will do
[23:48] <angusb> so what do I enter for localhost, port nubmer etc?
[23:48] <brad2> om
[23:48] <azuki> kust3mz: ctrl f3 or f4 or f5
[23:48] <sYn_0n3> angusb: localhost==<IP_ADDRESS>
[23:48] <Scunizi> Pelo.. gotcha. thanks.. I"m trying to find something for a friend to load up.. the DVD might be the best option for him.
[23:48] <combat> angusb, do you have a mysql server installed, otherwise you should use sqlite
[23:49] <angusb> combat: I do not, at least under ubuntu
[23:49] <TaRDy> angusb, you can keep the settings they have there for you, localhost + port #
[23:49] <angusb> I have one on another computer
[23:49] <TrustNoOne> vertically my desktop icons are spaced good, but horizontally they are too far apart, how can i change this?
[23:49] <Pelo> Scunizi,  the link you gave is for a torrent of  ubuntu-7 10-dvd-i386 iso ,  which is the dvd for regular 32 bit ubuntu
[23:49] <nfusco> Ive just installed Ubuntu on a spare disk I had on this machine, I have no inet due to having a broadcom chipset (linksys) when i try to enable the restricted drivers (broadcom & nvidia), It simply says the driver is not installed, it wont let me enable it, any ideas?
[23:49] <angusb> TaRDy what about username and pass though?
[23:49] <Scunizi> Pelo, thanks
[23:49] <angusb> I feel that I would need to ahve this set up before I can use mysql
[23:49] <kust3mz> azuk: I did that but for some reason neither one will work?
[23:49] <angusb> I wasn't sure if ubuntu came preloaded with it
[23:50] <geirha> angusb: there should be a link to a guide on how to set up mysql for amarok if I'm not mistaken
[23:50] <TaRDy> angusb, i had to add my user for mysql
[23:50] <TaRDy> and a password for it
[23:50]  * Pelo wonders if everyone else in here has wetdreams about preloaded ubuntu
[23:50] <angusb> geirha, yeah you are right but the link doesn't work
[23:50] <angusb> do I have to alt click or something?
[23:51] <geirha> angusb: mysql is not installed by default. You need to install the package mysql-server to install it.
[23:51] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, atconfig --configure : parsing command-line failed.
[23:51] <bitwiseshiftleft> question: is there a way to remap keys so that the "forward" and "back" keys can control compiz?
[23:51] <nfusco> Ive just installed Ubuntu (dual booting) on a spare disk I had on this machine, I have no inet due to having a broadcom chipset (linksys) when i try to enable the restricted drivers (broadcom & nvidia), It simply says the driver is not installed, it wont let me enable it, any ideas?
[23:51] <geirha> angusb: a left click should be enough. Do you have a web browser open? it will probably be opened in a tab there
[23:51] <TaRDy> angusb, before I couldnt figure out how to add a user so I cheated and went in through the service account and added it by the mysql administrator gui
[23:52] <Daisuke_Ido> Pelo: dell.  all i really need to say on the subject.  after years of swearing i would never support dell, i bought an inspiron 1420n, and i love it.
[23:52] <ConstyXIV> bitwiseshiftleft: what fwd-back keys?
[23:52] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: dmesg
[23:52] <Pelo> Daisuke_Ido, ;-)
[23:52] <artenius> xobius: nm, I finally found it
[23:52] <angusb> aright let me try real quick
[23:52] <TaRDy> geirha, clicking the link when I tried to set it up the other day did not work for me
[23:52] <bitwiseshiftleft> ConstyXIV: my keyboard has media keys, including "forward/back" keys designed to control the web browser
[23:53] <sCOTTo> hey guys - any good networking ppl in here that can help me out - im having troubles and dont REALLY know what I am doing...
[23:53] <xobius> artenius, I found a xchat plugin for Amarok
[23:53] <TrustNoOne> vertically my desktop icons are spaced good, but horizontally they are too far apart, how can i change this?
[23:53] <bitwiseshiftleft> ConstyXIV: it would be cool to control the web browser with them, too... that doesn't work either... but controlling the window manager would be better
[23:53] <Pelo> sCOTTo, start by stating your problem we'll see from there
[23:53] <xobius> artenius, where you found it?
[23:53] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, yes, what should I be doing with that?
[23:53] <angusb> I closed down my browser left clicked on the link and still nothing happpened
[23:53] <angusb> so if I do need to install mysql-server
[23:53] <Daisuke_Ido> TrustNoOne: i don't know if you can - i've been trying to get them to line up on the right by default and nada
[23:53] <microwaver> angusb, ctrl+click
[23:53] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: look for errors regarding graphics or ati or kernel
[23:54] <freebird_> nfusco: I had similar linksys setup...assume you mean wireless? Can't remember how I fixed it, check out dmesg for clues
[23:54] <angusb> okay ill try that
[23:54] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, Ok.
[23:54] <sCOTTo> Pelo: sorry - ok i have a new ubuntu install - it is on my dell laptop, I have it on the same network as two other computers - one with winxp theother is a server 2003 install
[23:54] <nfusco> I cant enable the restricted drivers, do I need to have internet to do this?
[23:54] <combat> when compiz activated and playing videos they are flickering, how do i avoid that?
[23:54] <artenius> xobius: http://orange.mikama.org/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/xchat-xsys/README.gz
[23:54] <kust3mz> Can someone please tell me how to change to run level 3 on ubuntu?
[23:54] <Pelo> sCOTTo, and the problem is ?
[23:54] <ConstyXIV> bitwiseshiftleft: if you have compizconfig installed, you might be able to just bind the keys
[23:54] <sCOTTo> Pelo: I cant get the others to see this computer vica=versa... i got SOME time last night but then it cut off again!!
[23:54] <sCOTTo> Pelo: its all about filesharing
[23:54] <bitwiseshiftleft> ConstyXIV: tried that, no dice
[23:54] <artenius> xobius: although so far it's not helping me. As it's not doing what it says it should.
[23:54] <bitwiseshiftleft> ConstyXIV: it doesn't recognize them.
[23:55] <nfusco> I mean can I install them off the CD?
[23:55] <Pelo> sCOTTo,  to talk to windows machine you need to install and configure samba,  I can'T realy help you with that ,  let me see if I can get you a tutorial or a link
[23:55] <sCOTTo> ok np
[23:55] <Pelo> !samba | sCOTTo
[23:55] <angusb> I closed down Amarok after opening it for the first time and it guiding me through setup, and when I restarted it bypassed all of that
[23:55] <angusb> is there any way I can get that setup back?
[23:55] <geirha> angusb: a quick and dirty way to set up mysql though, in a terminal: mysql -uroot  then in the mysql-shell: create database amarok; grant all on amarok.* to amarok identified by 'amarok';
[23:55] <Pelo> sCOTTo,  the bot might be dead or slow give it a min
[23:55] <freebird_> unlikely, I don't think the broadcom/nvidia drivers are open source
[23:55] <jacob> how do i get the "application manuals" for amarok?
[23:55] <techqbert> Anybody have an idea which firefox hardy heron will get?  Will 3 make it in?
[23:55] <Pelo> hey ops we're botless here
[23:55] <sCOTTo> Pelo - how do i check to see if smb is running?
[23:56] <angusb> geirha after I install amarok?
[23:56] <angusb> mysql*
[23:56] <combat> techqbert, it is already in
[23:56] <Pici> !samba
[23:56] <nfusco> freebird_, yeah wireless, have had issues before but im hoping fwcutter will sort it out, but I cant enable it..says ithe restricted drivers arent installed, can I get them off the CD?
[23:56] <Pelo> sCOTTo, like I said,  I can't realy help
[23:56] <techqbert> combat: nice
[23:56] <geirha> angusb: oops sorry, grant all on amarok.* to amarok@'localhost' identified by amarok;
[23:56] <sCOTTo> Pelo: ok
[23:56] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, [    0.000000] ATI board detected. Disabling timer routing over 8254.
[23:56] <geirha> angusb: yes
[23:56] <combat> techqbert, but i experience some bugs in it, but its still beta 3
[23:56] <Pelo> sCOTTo, hold on,  someone is working on the bot
[23:56] <freebird_> not as far as I know, they are not open source
[23:56] <sCOTTo> uh huh
[23:56] <angusb> geirha how would I go about installing it , with aptitude or apt0-get?
[23:57] <geirha> angusb: sudo aptitude install mysql-server
[23:57] <bastid_raZor> geirha; well,, that was fun. still at a loss, back in fail-safe gnome.hope the forums come up with an answer.
[23:57] <sYn_0n3> hey guys i upgraded my hardware form a p4 3.0 to a quad core 2.4 do i need to update my kernel? ubuntu finds all 4 cores but im unsure if it uses them
[23:57] <sYn_0n3> HELP!!!
[23:57] <eXistenZ> I made the folder public_html but it wouldn't work
[23:57] <eXistenZ> what might be the reason
[23:57] <angusb> Why is aptitude better that synaptic or apt-get?
[23:57] <techqbert> combat: hardy heron is relatively stable then?
[23:57] <Pici> angusb: its not better, just different
[23:57] <bitwiseshiftleft> sYn_0n3: you shouldn't have to upgrade your kernel
[23:57] <Pici> : Please join #ubuntu+1 for Hardy/8.04 support/discussion.
[23:57] <geirha> bastid_raZor: hope so too. Good luck with that.
[23:58] <xobius> artenius, did you install x-sys from ubuntu repository?
[23:58] <nfusco> Can anyone tell me if the restricted drivers are on the install CD?
[23:58] <artenius> xobius: yes, using synaptic
[23:58] <combat> techqbert, yeah im using it for 1 month now and it becomes more stable with each update
[23:58] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: do gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see if "dri" is disabled..if it is..leave it disabled
[23:58] <freebird_> Any ideas as to why I am getting 1 minute delay between selecting system > quit and the quit dialogue appearing?
[23:58] <Pelo> sYn_0n3, try doing a search on your hardware in the forum,  there aer probabaly diagnostic tools listed in there www.ubuntuforums.org
[23:58] <artenius> xobius: X-Sys 2.0.9
[23:58] <sYn_0n3> if its not disable it and restart x server
[23:58] <xobius> artenius, it didn't work?
[23:59] <Pici> !test
[23:59] <sYn_0n3> microwaver: you see all the hair ur loosing..this is why i went to nvidia and im not going back
[23:59] <sYn_0n3> lol
[23:59] <ubotu> Failed.
[23:59] <Pelo> ahh
[23:59] <artenius> xobius: it's working for nearly everything except displaying the song i'm playing
[23:59] <Pelo> !samba > sCOTTo check for a private message windows with instructions from ubotu
[23:59] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, don't have the financial power to move to nVidia, and yes, lost loads of hair :),
[23:59] <Pelo> !botnack
[23:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botnack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:59] <xobius> artenius, I don't use it but I show you http://www.downloadtube.com/Linux/Communications/Amarok-Now-Playing-Plugin-for-XChat-download.html
[23:59] <techqbert> combat: can't wait til 4/24.  great.  keep up the debugging
[23:59] <Pelo> !opsnack | Pici
[23:59] <ubotu> Pici: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[23:59] <microwaver> sYn_0n3, it loads a module called 'Dri'