[10:44] <wizo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/366
[10:44] <jtan325> hi IIIEars are you there?
[10:44] <IIIEars> Strife - yes there are three gparted, qtparted and cfdisk
[10:44] <Strife> IIIEars: I said *good*
[10:44] <Strife> IIIEars: and besides, cfdisk at least is only a partition editor
[10:44] <tiglionabbit> When used thoroughly, Acers tend to fall apart.  They are made of cheap plastic suckyness
[10:44] <Strife> erm
[10:44] <HrdwrBoB> Strife: they are good, however they're not as good as p-m
[10:45] <tiglionabbit> my keyboard has been replaced 3 times
[10:45] <Strife> sorry, I've had a bit of wine tonight
[10:45] <jtan325> thanks
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> however partition magic for most techy people isn't useful
[10:45] <Strife> HrdwrBoB: yes, that's what I'm trying to say
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> most techy people have several hard disks lying around and all sorts of things like that
[10:45] <Strife> to the first part
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> and don't require partition magic
[10:45] <IIIEars> Strife - qtparted does everything partition magic does except move data to resize <shrug>
[10:45] <Strife> there you go
[10:45] <Strife> therefore, not as good
[10:45] <HrdwrBoB> I have 5 drives in this machine and they all have one partition
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> Strife: actually I heard when partition magic does it, it takes forever and is very unreliable
[10:46] <Strife> tiglionabbit: doesn't matter... at least it tries :P
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> therefor not very good anyway
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> lol, and it's trying that counts
[10:46] <Strife> tiglionabbit: obviously, only an idiot would count on that (i.e., not backup beforehand)
[10:46] <Strife> but it's a nice attempt
[10:46] <wizo> aww man
[10:46] <wizo> this program is awesome
[10:46] <IIIEars> Strife - it is one more step to use an optimizing defrag tool (system mechanic - fully functional trial) efore qtparted.
[10:46] <tiglionabbit> how about the people who made gparted trying to provide their software for free without adware and crap?
[10:47] <gm78> Strife, or with partition magic, if there is an unrecognized file system /(say xfs or jfs or reiser) it won't work, even on the other partitions it does recognize
[10:47] <wizo> oh dear, looks like its gonna crash
[10:47] <tiglionabbit> Strife: if you are going to back up your data, why is that feature even necessary in the first place?
[10:47] <gm78> Strife, with qtparted, it just labels it as unknown and lets u alter the recognized partition
[10:47] <Strife> yes, the only advantage
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> Strife: I mean, why not just move all the data off of your partition, erase it, and repartition the way you want?  No need for partition magic to do somethnig that might screw up your data
[10:48] <mebaran151> gm78, uh no
[10:48] <mebaran151> it works
[10:48] <mebaran151> I have used it
[10:48] <mebaran151> the latest version of gparted
[10:48] <Strife> tiglionabbit: oh I agree
[10:48] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. Looks more-or-less ok to me.
[10:48] <mebaran151> simply is a frontend to the cli tools
[10:48] <wizo> =(
[10:48] <IIIEars> Hardrives are so inexpensive for desktops it's easier to buy another one.
[10:48] <mebaran151> for the respective programs
[10:48] <Strife> tiglionabbit: but it would be nice to have something that can move your stuff, too
[10:48] <Strife> so obviously you backup first to be safe
[10:48] <Strife> then the backup becomes redundant
[10:48] <mebaran151> so it can do anything that ntfsprogs or reiserfsprogs can do
[10:48] <tiglionabbit> IIIEars: exactly how inexpensive is inexpensive?
[10:48] <HrdwrBoB> tiglionabbit: under $100
[10:48] <HappyFool> wizo: could you please also put /var/log/Xorg.0.log on the paste-bin ?
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> oo, that reminds me
[10:49] <wizo> hang on
[10:49] <Strife> backing up is only good if it's redundant anyway
[10:49] <mebaran151> I think Gparted even moves data
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> less than the cost of a new game or piece of software
[10:49] <wizo> its crashing
[10:49] <IIIEars> newegg has 80 gig drives for less than sixty dollars.
[10:49] <tiglionabbit> I bought my brother a 120gb hard drive for $100.  And it had a $50 rebate!
[10:49] <gm78> mebaran151, yes, and if u would reread my comment u weuld realize i was talking about partition magic, not parted
[10:49] <HappyFool> wizo: explore2fs ?
[10:49] <wizo> yupz
[10:49] <Strife> tiglionabbit: the $50 rebate was before or after the $100?
[10:49] <HrdwrBoB> 200gb drives are now AU$120
[10:49] <HappyFool> wizo: it can break on big files, as i said
[10:49] <wizo> damn
[10:49] <mebaran151> oh
[10:49] <mebaran151> sorry
[10:50] <Strife> HrdwrBoB: how does the aussie dollar compare to the US? :P
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> Strife: after.  So it ended up being $50 for a 7200rpm 120gb hard drive.
[10:50] <gm78> mebaran151, lol, thats alright
[10:50] <Strife> tiglionabbit: NICE
[10:50] <HappyFool> wizo: the version i used seemed to copy the whole file into main memory (!) before writing it to disk
[10:50] <Strife> tiglionabbit: where did you get that?
[10:50] <tiglionabbit> like, circuit city
[10:50] <Strife> ah
[10:50] <_4strO> yop yop
[10:50] <wizo> wad version was that HappyFool
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> Strife: about 75c?
[10:50] <Strife> I want to setup a separate computer as a backup server
[10:50] <HrdwrBoB> so $80USD
[10:50] <Strife> HrdwrBoB: wow
[10:51] <HappyFool> wizo: dunno. i'm not on windows, so i can't check ;)
[10:51] <Strife> I don't know if you can always get them that cheap here
[10:51] <Strife> in fact
[10:51] <Strife> I doubt you can
[10:51] <poningru> I got a 160gig hd for 20 USD
[10:51] <wizo> ic
[10:51] <HrdwrBoB> Strife: that's the cheapest price I can find, mind :)
[10:51] <Strife> right
[10:51] <wizo> brb
[10:51] <HrdwrBoB> poningru: that's not a price other people can buy them at though
[10:51] <IIIEars> it gets better still by adding an external usb drive case - backing up files to HD is quick DVD's are only used at my house for traveling.
[10:51] <HappyFool> wizo: it may not be much help, but you can use the 'split' program (in linux) to split a file into chunks
[10:52] <wizo> heh
[10:52] <wizo> i wanna watch my movie on windows
[10:52] <HrdwrBoB> I generally use either interweb or usb2 drives
[10:52] <HappyFool> wizo: and then reassemble in windows using copy /b
[10:52] <wizo> but each file is like 200+  meg
[10:52] <wizo> and i only have 128meg ram
[10:52] <Albaraha> how do I download a file using curl?
[10:52] <HappyFool> wizo: i think ext2fsd supports read-only of ext3 partitions. You can try that too
[10:52] <Strife> you take the div of the download
[10:52] <HappyFool> wizo: ext2fsd.sf.net, afaik
[10:53] <Strife> and then you take the gradient
[10:53] <Strife> and then
[10:53] <Strife> yeah
[10:53] <Strife> I'm going to shut up now
[10:53] <poningru> HrdwrBoB: sure it is
[10:53] <HappyFool> heh
[10:53] <wizo> im using it
[10:53] <poningru> just watch for sales this weekend
[10:53] <poningru> for example
[10:53] <wizo> no im using explaore2fs
[10:53] <wizo> explore*
[10:53] <poningru> yesterday compusa had a sale
[10:53] <poningru> where an 80gig hd was going for 20bucks
[10:54] <HappyFool> wizo: yeah, ext2fsd is different
[10:54] <HappyFool> wizo: explore2fs is probably a bit easier to use
[10:54] <HrdwrBoB> if I could get 160gb drives for $20 USD each I'd buy 5
[10:54] <wizo> oo ok
[10:54] <wizo> then i`ll try that then
[10:54] <wizo> try to use the explore
[10:54] <wizo> wait brb i go get the log file
[10:55] <wizo> where is it?
[10:55] <HappyFool> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:56] <IIIEars> Am i the last person to play "FarCry"? - It is great! - just finished it.
[10:56] <wizo> oh ok
[10:56] <gm78> IIIEars, i LOVED that game. Sadly, I sold it after i got rid of windows....now im waiting for it to be out for PS2
[10:57] <weiers> Hi... just installed ubuntu, but I cannot reach my windows fat32 partition in /mnt.  I am still very new to linux and not sure how to make it visible. Can somebody give me some advice?
[10:57] <gm78> weiers, open a private chat with me
[10:57] <IIIEars> gm78 - Is it too much for cedega?
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> I play farcry in cedega
[10:57] <HrdwrBoB> and GTA:SA
[10:58] <HrdwrBoB> as well as playing doom3, warcraft3 and ut2k4
[10:59] <wizo> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/367
[10:59] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Got to try it with cedega. - games are the only reason there are windows disks here for.
[11:00] <HappyFool> wizo: ok, and you did try to restart X (or reboot, or whatever) after disabling nvidia?
[11:00] <IIIEars> UT2K4 is great! the installer is included for linux.
[11:00] <wizo> yupz
[11:00] <wizo> i did
[11:00] <wizo> the screen flickered while loading modules
[11:00] <wizo> then it went blank
[11:00] <markuman> i need help in openoffice drawing. how to fix a image so that i can't move it so that i can to go over
[11:00] <wizo> aw crap
[11:00] <IceDC571> wow.. theres a folder on my NTFS drive called System Volume Information created by windows that takes up 2.8gb of space
[11:00] <IceDC571> whate a waste
[11:01] <learn25> hi
[11:01] <_Grunt> hello
[11:01] <wizo> hey HappyFool, i be right back
[11:01] <gm78> IIIEars, i tried with cedega at one point, no go
[11:01] <learn25> what is the default anonymous ftp directory of vsftp after installation?
[11:01] <HappyFool> wizo: hrm. i'm guessing that the 'UseFBDev' is the problem
[11:01] <larsrohdin> hi! If i have too many options when Grub starts. Can i just delete some in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[11:01] <learn25> help
[11:02] <HappyFool> wizo: ok, give me a shout when you are
[11:02] <wizo|brb> framebuffer?
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> learn25: check the man page
[11:02] <HappyFool> learn25: maybe /home/ftp (that's a guess)
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> and /usr/share/doc
[11:02] <wizo|brb> coz in the log it says it cant find the frame buffer, so i disabled it
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> and /usr/share/doc/vsftp
[11:02] <Tsar_vonHumbug> larsrohdin, yes, and then run grub-install
[11:02] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: yeah
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> even
[11:02] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Walk me through FarCry with cedega? - I'll get a copy if you can show me how to use it.
[11:02] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: not according to your xorg.conf
[11:02] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: there's an installer :)
[11:02] <larsrohdin> Tsar_vonHumbug, ok thanks but sholud i leave the memtest86+ and the recoverymode?
[11:03] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: though not that i am most certainly *not* a guru with respect to this
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: check out the linux installer lokie thing for games
[11:03] <HappyFool> note that, even
[11:03] <wizo|brb> uh huh
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> I forget the exact name
[11:03] <IIIEars> HrdwrBob - Is it as easy as installing Ubuntu?
[11:03] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: not far off
[11:03] <wizo|brb> oh my gawd
[11:04] <wizo|brb> HappyFool: i love u for telling me about the explore2fs program
[11:04] <HappyFool> it's very handy ;)
[11:04] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Ubuntu and Loki have made a linux devotee.
[11:04] <wizo|brb> i saved the movie =)
[11:04] <phedre> well, i seem to be quite stuck.
[11:04] <wizo|brb> anyway, i brb
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: :)
[11:05] <iluciv> could someone tell me what the does -> Big Block Kernel Preempt
[11:05] <Frafra> hi all
[11:05] <Frafra> x works on breezy?
[11:05] <mebaran151> odes ubuntu prepackg with the kernel
[11:05] <mebaran151> an ssh filesystem module
[11:05] <phedre> i dont seem to have gcc installed, and i cant seem to find it in binary format, cause well you cant install a compiler w/o a compiler.
[11:05] <larsrohdin> Tsar_vonHumbug, grub-install and then the hdx where my linux root is?
[11:06] <HappyFool> iluciv: sounds like something related to low-latency stuff (this is a big guess though ;)
[11:07] <HappyFool> phedre: 'sudo apt-get install build-essential'
[11:07] <iluciv> I just can't seem to find why I can't open a terminal in gui
[11:07] <HappyFool> iluciv: you've looked in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[11:08] <phedre> thanks :)
[11:09] <phedre> seems to be working now
[11:09] <iluciv> :S sorry I forgot to check that
[11:10] <iluciv> brb
[11:10] <mebaran151> anybody know a good solution for this problem
[11:11] <mebaran151> I have a filesystem I woudl like to access
[11:11] <mebaran151> very transparently
[11:11] <qos> hey guys, is there anyone how can help my installing a bootsplash?
[11:11] <mebaran151> like mount it in /mnt/remote
[11:11] <mebaran151> Iu have ftp and ssh access
[11:11] <mebaran151> how might I go about it
[11:12] <mebaran151> I have to use the user mebaran@gmail.com@[sitenme]
[11:12] <mebaran151> what might I do
[11:12] <mebaran151> in my perfect world
[11:12] <mebaran151> I would be able to fire up gedit
[11:12] <mebaran151> write some code
[11:12] <mebaran151> and save it directly ther
[11:13] <mebaran151> just in the file save dialogue
[11:13] <wizo|brb> ok back
[11:13] <wizo|brb> for a bit, cooking my dinner
[11:14] <HappyFool> mebaran151: google and 'apt-cache search' point to shfs -- not sure if they'll help. see here: http://shfs.sourceforge.net/
[11:15] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: my guess is to rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and, when it asks, do *not* choose framebuffer
[11:15] <anacron> :D
[11:15] <wizo|brb> i thought i said no to it
[11:15] <iluciv> happyfool: sorry where exactly is the file I'm supposed to look at
[11:15] <wizo|brb> =/
[11:15] <wizo|brb> ok i`ll try it alter again
[11:15] <wizo|brb> thx
[11:15] <anacron> why is everybody msg me suddenly?
[11:16] <HappyFool> iluciv: in your home dir
[11:16] <HappyFool> iluciv: /home/iluciv/.xsession-errors
[11:16] <iluciv> Happyfool: nope no such file prehaps thats the problem
[11:16] <HappyFool> eek
[11:17] <wizo|brb> cya guys
[11:17] <wizo|brb> thx HappyFool for yr help
[11:17] <wizo|brb> bbl
[11:17] <HappyFool> what are the permissions on your home dir ?
[11:17] <HappyFool> wizo|brb: good luck
[11:17] <iluciv> Happyfool: drwxr-xr-x
[11:18] <iluciv> Happyfool: I take it thats what you mean??
[11:18] <HappyFool> iluciv: hrm. booting the stock ubuntu kernel works, right?
[11:18] <HappyFool> iluciv: yeah
[11:18] <iluciv> yeah haven't tried since installing this one though
[11:19] <IamwhoIam> Do you wanna get free MP3 player ? Register here :http://www.freeNezy.com/index.php?refID=8419080
[11:19] <HappyFool> iluciv: maybe look in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog to find out if there are other startup errors
[11:20] <iluciv> sok
[11:26] <iluciv> Happyfool: whats the difference between syslog and syslog.0
[11:27] <HappyFool> iluciv: i think the .0 (and .1.gz etc) are older log files
[11:27] <iluciv> Happyfool: Ah this is good
[11:28] <z|bandito> anyone know how to get a bittorrent tracker working on ubuntu?  it doesn't seem to like the way python is installed... :(
[11:29] <HappyFool> z|bandito: what error message are you getting?
[11:29] <xoz> iluciv: man logrotate
[11:30] <iluciv> xoz: ? huh
[11:30] <xoz> iluciv: those nos in logs are rotated by logrotate script
[11:30] <z|bandito> error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)
[11:30] <iluciv> ah
[11:31] <nuggien> how can i get monodevelop to find my gtk and gtksharp libs in /usr/lib/mono?
[11:31] <_Grunt> does removing a program with synaptic also remove the configuration files?
[11:31] <z|bandito> this is from a root terminal.. the config directory doesn't even exist, though :\
[11:31] <z|bandito> i get a similar error when trying to build a .deb
[11:31] <HappyFool> z|bandito: you might need a python-dev package -- just a moment
[11:31] <_Grunt> or do you have to use apt-get for that?
[11:31] <HappyFool> z|bandito: install the python-dev package ('sudo aptitude install python-dev')
[11:32] <z|bandito> ok I'll try it
[11:32] <HappyFool> _Grunt: apt-get has a 'purge' option to remove all files -- not sure how to achieve that in synaptic (my synaptic is currently busy downloading, so i can't check)
[11:32] <iluciv>  Happyfool: Anyway It doesn't say anything I can see as a realted error Thanks for trying
[11:33] <z|bandito> it's installing 2 packages.. any reason to use aptitude and not dpkg or apt-get?  :)
[11:33] <iluciv> My Tvtime is great though :D Dr Who Time
[11:33] <_Grunt> I see, I'll just use apt-get
[11:34] <HappyFool> iluciv: maybe try rebooting with a stock kernel to check everything is working there. I can't see why changing kernels would cause this behaviour, but i haven't compiled a kernel for ages
[11:34] <HappyFool> z|bandito: i think aptitude keeps a log file, and is a bit smarter about installing/removing packages
[11:34] <z|bandito> also, any idea if i should install using python, or use it to build a .deb and install from that?
[11:34] <z|bandito> i see
[11:34] <iluciv> HappyFool: Will do after Dr WHo :D
[11:35] <TheQ> servus
[11:35] <HappyFool> z|bandito: if you know how, I'd build a deb. Should make uninstallation (and maybe upgrading) easier
[11:35] <HappyFool> iluciv: heh. priorities, eh? ;)
[11:35] <learn25> Help i just installed vsftp and i went to the other machine to perform anonymous ftp. i can see the file but i cannot download it. Help please.
[11:36] <HappyFool> learn25: what error do you get?
[11:36] <learn25> error copying file
[11:36] <z|bandito> there are instructions on how to build in the unix-installation.readme.txt file, so i guess you would recommend then using aptitude to install the .deb by sudo aptitude install bittorrent.deb ? :)
[11:36] <HappyFool> learn25: this is in your ftp client? (i.e., on the remote computer)
[11:36] <learn25> yah
[11:36] <HappyFool> z|bandito: no, aptitude is for installing from repositories. Use dpkg to install .deb files
[11:37] <learn25> on the remote machine i can see the files but unable to download it
[11:37] <z|bandito> hm ok.  :)
[11:37] <HappyFool> learn25: make sure the permissions on the file are correct. try 'chmod o+r <filename>' on the server
[11:37] <learn25> the owner is root
[11:37] <HappyFool> learn25: where <filename> is to be replaced by the actual filename
[11:38] <HappyFool> learn25: o+r gives all users read access to the file
[11:39] <z|bandito> heh.. I can't seem to locate where it build the .deb to.. :s
[11:39] <learn25> how about if i'll make my /home/ftp directory accessible to all users?
[11:39] <HappyFool> learn25: the permissions on the file itself also need to be correct
[11:40] <z|bandito> oh nm
[11:40] <z|bandito> there are some other instructions to follow still.. sorry
[11:40] <learn25> ok. but i have many files in my ftp folder
[11:40] <z|bandito> thanks for the help
[11:40] <gorilla_> HappyFool, no.. a+r gives all user read access to the files... o+r will allow the owner of the file to be able to read it.
[11:41] <HappyFool> learn25: 'chmod -R a+r *'
[11:41] <HappyFool> gorilla_: yeah, i wondered about that. odd how you can give non-owner and non-group only permission to read ;)
[11:41] <HappyFool> o is other, u is 'owner' (user)
[11:41] <TheQ> I'm a new Linuxuser. never done anything with it. got ubunto.  how do i install programms? with the terminal? how? what comandoline?
[11:41] <gorilla_> HappyFool, yes but there for completeness :-)
[11:42] <HappyFool> so o+r ought to work, assuming the permissions are reasonable
[11:42] <gorilla_> HappyFool, opps you are right on that one :-)
[11:42] <HappyFool> TheQ: have you installed ubuntu already?
[11:42] <TheQ> HappyFool: sure. i'm using it right now#
[11:43] <HappyFool> TheQ: great. You can install software using a tool called synaptic. You can find it from the menu at the top, via 'System -> Administration -> Synaptic'
[11:44] <HappyFool> TheQ: by default it will only install software from the install CD. You can tell it to install software from the ubuntu website as well
[11:44] <iLLf8d> noobs
[11:45] <TheQ> HappyFool, and what about package i downloadet. eg (*g*)  xmule
[11:45] <Puff-n-Stuff> morning all.
[11:47] <iLLf8d> man i'm tired
[11:47] <synd> how do i give ubuntu a jump start for its ethernet connection w/o having to reboot?
[11:48] <HappyFool> TheQ: xmule is available via synaptic
[11:48] <spikeh`zzzz> How would I dual-boot Ubuntu and Windows XP?
[11:48] <Puff-n-Stuff> try /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:49] <spikeh> For dual-boot, tutorials are asking for "GRUB" or "LILO", does Ubuntu include those?
[11:49] <TheQ> HappyFool: do not find it. am i stupid ? lol.  TOO LONG WINDOWS USER *GGGGG*
[11:49] <HappyFool> TheQ: as i said, synaptic by default only installs from the cd
[11:49] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, install XP, leaving room for ubuntu..then install ubuntu...ubuntu should configure GRUB automagically.
[11:49] <HappyFool> TheQ: xmule is in the 'universe' repository; you need to tell synaptic to use that
[11:49] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, it does for win2k anyhow.
[11:49] <spikeh> Okay
[11:50] <randabis> hi folks
[11:50] <synd> spikeh: yes, its easier if you install Win (or have it installed already) then install Ubuntu
[11:50] <gorilla_> synd, try /etc/init.d/network restart but it'll probably be easier to reboot.
[11:50] <spikeh> So Ubuntu would install GRUB on /boot and not the MBR
[11:50] <spikeh> Otherwise XP/2k would not boot up
[11:50] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, the way I do it is to boot with ubuntu livecd first, create a 50meg boot partition, then reboot and install windows, then install ubuntu..
[11:50] <synd> gorilla_: reboot just to re-establish connection? seems soo windows-ish :P
[11:50] <xoz> gorilla_: you must be kddng
[11:51] <Jesse1> ik
[11:51] <HappyFool> TheQ: in synaptic, go to 'Settings -> Repositories', then choose 'Add', and tick all the boxes there (one of them should say 'universe')
[11:51] <MyKq3> is there any way to boostup firefox loading time? ( like reloading it to memory at startup ?)
[11:51] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, it installs a /boot directory and puts GRUB bootable stage1 in the MBR....
[11:51] <gorilla_> synd, yes but you sometime need to restart services which need to come up in order....
[11:51] <TheQ> HappyFool: and how can i do this? :-|  o0O( what means universe in german )
[11:51] <spikeh> "Install GRUB on the first sector of the /boot partition. DO NOT INSTALL IT ON THE MBR!." is what the guide is telling me
[11:51] <HappyFool> um. universe is something like 'heelal' in dutch -- not sure about german
[11:52] <gorilla_> spikeh, which guide... please don't say ubuntuguide.org..
[11:52] <spikeh> No, its not
[11:52] <HappyFool> universe is just the name for non-supported software in ubuntu
[11:52] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, I just let ubuntu do what it wants to do and it works...but I always create that /boot partition manually first before installing windows...that way it is at the beginning of the drive.
[11:52] <spikeh> Is that for the 1024 cylinder limit?
[11:52] <iLLf8d> HappyFool, non ubuntu supported or non debian supported?
[11:53] <TheQ> HAPPYFOOL: OK found it!! in German its 'Multiverse'
[11:53] <HappyFool> iLLf8d: non-ubuntu supported, or at least non-canonical supported
[11:53] <gorilla_> spikeh, yes it is but the 1024 cyl. limit has been fixed in both grub and lilo..
[11:53] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, well, its a holdover for that in my case as that is what I am used to...
[11:53] <Puff-n-Stuff> but its also good practice.
[11:53] <HappyFool> iLLf8d: i think the promises re 18 months of security updates etc. do not apply to universe
[11:53] <Puff-n-Stuff> that way you can reinstall linux and not thrash GRUB..
[11:53] <ufo> where do I put a command that I want to be executed when ubuntu is starting up?
[11:54] <HappyFool> TheQ: no, it's still universe. multiverse is something else
[11:54] <TheQ> I LIKE UBUNTO !!!  GRAFICAL I LIKE IT MORE THAN DAMM WINDOWS
[11:54] <HappyFool> TheQ: you probably want multiverse too
[11:54] <spikeh> So how would I create the 50meg partition in Ubuntu for the /boot whilst creating other partitions for Windows and Ubuntu in the LiveCD?
[11:55] <HappyFool> ufo: take a look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:55] <TheQ> HappyFool: hmmm.  nono. i klicked on multiverese. now there stands universe ANd multiverse in the 'left choice folder' (don
[11:55] <ufo> HappyFool, 10x.
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, boot the livecd....open a console and run fdisk
[11:56] <HappyFool> TheQ: ok. make sure 'main' and 'restricted' are also selected
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> make a linux partition
[11:56] <spikeh> ..If I can get online with the Live CD, could you talk me through it please?
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> then reboot and install windows...windows has its own partition creator...
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> Im online with the livecd right now myself.
[11:56] <spikeh> Oh I see
[11:56] <Puff-n-Stuff> I screwed my system royally last night.
[11:56] <spikeh> Last time I used the LiveCD, I can't get X-Chat to work
[11:57] <sarmiento> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match the kernel?
[11:57] <spikeh> It says something about compiling
[11:57] <gorilla_> sarmiento, /usr/src/{kernel_name&version} :-)
[11:57] <HappyFool> sarmiento: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build should be a symlink to the correct directory
[11:58] <Puff-n-Stuff> running ubuntu, I started vmware and was messing with booting vmware from physical drive..trying to boot the windows partition..and booted the linux partition by mistake...have so far lost everything on the linux partition...destroyed it..
[11:58] <sarmiento> HappyFool, ok
[11:58] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, you shouldnt have to compile xchat on the 5.04 livecd...
[11:58] <spikeh> Oh
[11:58] <spikeh> It said compiling on the website or something
[11:58] <spikeh> =|
[11:59] <synd> i just installed Ubuntu and its having touble connecting.. like it can browse the net fine it seems, but trying to connect with x-chat and gaim dont work
[12:00] <TheQ> HappyFool: ist done... So as i understand it right. Synapic is sometihng like a window,ican download the newest supports for ubunto. like tool
[12:00] <TheQ> HappyFool: that is great.
[12:00] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, its compiled and ready to go on the livecd..
[12:00] <HappyFool> TheQ: yes
[12:00] <spikeh> Okay, that's good
[12:01] <HappyFool> TheQ: in the 'Add' dialog box (where you added multiverse/universe) make sure that you've also added updates and security-updates
[12:01] <spikeh> Could I still place GRUB outside of the MBR?
[12:01] <HappyFool> TheQ: you can choose those with the button at the top of the add dialog box
[12:01] <TheQ> HappyFool: VERRY GOOD SUPPORT!! :)) I added ALL.
[12:02] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, you could but why?  you still need a bootloader in the MBR..
[12:02] <HappyFool> TheQ: then you should be able to use the 'Mark all upgrades' and 'Apply' buttons to update your system
[12:02] <spikeh> If I put GRUB within the MBR, XP/2k would not boot up
[12:02] <spikeh> XP/2k would be the bootloader?
[12:03] <Puff-n-Stuff> spikeh, you install windows..it installs its own bootloader..then you install ubuntu and it installs GRUB which has a chainloader to load windows...
[12:03] <spikeh> I've read from the Internet and forums that with the default settings Ubuntu overwrites and XP/2k fails to boot
[12:03] <TheQ> HappyFool: i'll do it... But first i need to learn more about this system.  i know nothing about ubunto, but i like ti every minute more :)
[12:04] <Puff-n-Stuff> I dont know about XP but the multiboot bootloader for win2k sucks and wont load ubuntu for me...but GRUB installed with ubuntu will boot win2k.
[12:04] <HappyFool> TheQ: ok. you can find out lots more about ubuntu here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:04] <sarmiento> I hadn't the headers so i'm going to download :)
[12:04] <HappyFool> my XP boots fine from grub, and it was automatically setup for me
[12:04] <TheQ> HappyFool: i have learned about linux on the german LinuxTag!! have u heard about this event?
[12:05] <HappyFool> sarmiento: install linux-headers-386 (or -686 or -k7, depending on your kernel version)
[12:05] <HappyFool> TheQ: I've heard of it, yeah. apparently they were handing out knoppix dvd's ?
[12:05] <sarmiento> There are some good howto for compilig the kernel? for debain or ubuntu?
[12:06] <IceDC571> how would i change a new filesystem to have write access from everyone?
[12:06] <HappyFool> sarmiento: on the wiki. Search this page for 'kernel': https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[12:06] <HappyFool> sarmiento: why do you need a new kernel?
[12:06] <TheQ> HappyFool: RedHat, All BSD sections, MPlayer, AfterSteps... knoppix dvd's ?? NO A Debian3.1 DVD 2005 Edition. Its FULL with mostly everithin ucan get for linux
[12:06] <HappyFool> IceDC571: what type of filesystem ?
[12:07] <IceDC571> HappyFool: ext3
[12:07] <HappyFool> TheQ: ok, guess i heard wrong. sounds like linuxtag is fun
[12:07] <sarmiento> I like compiling a minimalistic kernel
[12:07] <HappyFool> sarmiento: probably not worth it, but whatever makes you happy *shrug*
[12:07] <sarmiento> yes
[12:08] <TheQ> HappyFool: yes. it was funny.  and there was a lot of americans !! also som opensorce game devellopers.
[12:09] <HappyFool> IceDC571: hrm. i suppose setting permissions on the mount point doesn't help? (chmod a+rwx /path/to/mount)
[12:09] <IceDC571> lets see
[12:09] <sarmiento> When I used slackware always compiling my kernel...
[12:10] <IceDC571> HappyFool: that worked :) Thanks
[12:10] <HappyFool> IceDC571: lucky guess ;)
[12:10] <Seveas> sarmiento, that's because on slack it might have been neccessary, on Ubuntu that is rarely the case...
[12:11] <TheQ> HappyFool: annyway. THX a lott  for your help.  now i know how to keep my sys up to date!! wish u nice day! Bye @ all
[12:11] <HappyFool> cheers TheQ
[12:11] <lsuactiafner> sarmiento : install build-essential and ncurses
[12:11] <lsuactiafner> from there you can compile your own
[12:12] <sarmiento> what is that?
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> also found apt-get build-dep package very nice, so you can get deps for X xmms mplayer ect by that time you will have 700mb of dependancies and you will be able to compile anything like you did on slackware
[12:12] <Ubuntian> how do i launch an install.sh again?
[12:12] <lsuactiafner> sarmiento : developments tools, so you can compile your own kernel
[12:13] <IceDC571> Ubuntian: sh install.sh>
[12:13] <Ubuntian> k thanks
[12:13] <lsuactiafner> sh install.sh
[12:13] <Ubuntian> sudo?
[12:13] <IceDC571> yep
[12:13] <Ubuntian> k
[12:13] <IceDC571> forget my arrow at the end
[12:13] <sarmiento> and some manual?
[12:13] <lsuactiafner> i got around  800mb of development tools and dependancies now, redid init.d and now its like slackware with ubuntu atvantages
[12:15] <sarmiento> when you compile the kernel you can install the restricted modules from apt-get in you new kernel?
[12:15] <IceDC571> um.. that sounds a little strange
[12:16] <lsuactiafner> no idea, i compile what i need with patches ect
[12:16] <lsuactiafner> and nvidia i get from nvidia.com
[12:16] <lsuactiafner> bbl
[12:17] <t4rd> How do I compile the internet?  I want to install it does the entire internet come in source rpms?  Give me your html!
[12:17] <Frafra> hi all
[12:17] <tiglionabbit> sorry, I wanted to say that
[12:17] <Frafra> x works on breezy?
[12:17] <HappyFool> t4rd: i think you want #gentoo
[12:17] <HappyFool> ;)
[12:18] <t4rd> I want the whole internet, you know some packages don't contain the small sites, they are a ripoff if they weren't free
[12:19] <sarmiento> but when install the kernel from nvidia.com the results arent't good
[12:19] <tiglionabbit> goodnight everyone
[12:20] <sarmiento> I think that nvidia drivers form dnvida.com patch the other kernel
[12:20] <HappyFool> sarmiento: that is unlikely, since one does not have to recompile the kernel to install the nvidia drivers
[12:21] <HappyFool> yay, scorched 3d downloaded at last
[12:21] <Albaraha> how do I tell apt to ignore a package when it's broken?
[12:22] <sarmiento> I have problems with tue dma
[12:22] <sarmiento> I can't acteivate
[12:23] <sarmiento> /dev/hda:
[12:23] <sarmiento>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:23] <sarmiento>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[12:23] <sarmiento>  using_dma    =  0 (off)
[12:23] <Albaraha> sarmiento, what's tue?
[12:23] <zEraCos> it says ubuntu requires at least 128mb of ram. is that for the live cd or the installed system?
[12:24] <sarmiento> tue= the
[12:24] <sarmiento> :)
[12:24] <Seveas> sarmiento, sudo hdparm (if you do that: load the drivers for your motherboard instead of ide_generic)
[12:26] <Albaraha> zEraCos, That's for Live CD
[12:26] <learn25> hi all!
[12:27] <learn25> Help please. how to check my free disk space in ubuntu?
[12:27] <Seveas> Albaraha, i'd say the live CD needs at least the double...
[12:27] <Seveas> learn25, df -h
[12:27] <Bigglez> test
[12:27] <Bigglez> hello?
[12:27] <learn25> thanks Saveas :)
[12:28] <Bigglez> Hello - can anyone help me with a Synaptic question?
[12:28] <z|bandito> whats the question
[12:28] <Seveas> learn25, http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html
[12:28] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[12:28] <Seveas> Bigglez, read the topic: just ask :)
[12:28] <Bigglez> Hi - I want to put some packages onto a CD for offline install
[12:28] <Bigglez> Is that possible?
[12:29] <Albaraha> Seveas, That's what's written on the CD cover
[12:29] <z|bandito> you could put .deb packages on a cD
[12:29] <zEraCos> Albaraha: and for the installed system.. ?
[12:29] <Bigglez> I am on Fedora 3, but I am setting-up an machine for another person. They have no internet.
[12:29] <Bigglez> That machine is Kubuntu
[12:29] <Albaraha> at least 32MB
[12:30] <zEraCos> ok
[12:30] <Bigglez> If you go to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/q/qcad/ you will see that there is a lot of stuff. Which .deb files do I need?
[12:30] <zEraCos> Albaraha: my cdrom is a bit old.. so it doesnt read cds that well.. is there a possibility for a network install of ubuntu?
[12:30] <Seveas> Albaraha, well, that is indeed the minimum to run it. To run it a bit smooth, 256-512 mb is required :)
[12:31] <Seveas> Bigglez, download packages from http://packages.ubuntu.com
[12:31] <Seveas> Bigglez, then you get the correct version for Hoary
[12:31] <zEraCos> Seveas: my specs are, p3 500mhz,64mbram and 2gb hd
[12:31] <Bigglez> Seveas - so I only need the .deb files then? No fancy stuff for Synaptic?
[12:31] <Seveas> zEraCos, The livecd will be painful, an installed system with xfce instead of gnome will run.
[12:31] <Seveas> Bigglez, indeed
[12:32] <Seveas> Bigglez, packages.ubuntu.com also indicates dependencies :)
[12:32] <Seveas> so you know what to download too
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> if vobcopy doesnt copy a dvd correctly, is it copy protection or is it scratches on the dvd?
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> also, what else but vobcopy works?
[12:32] <Bigglez> Thanks Seveas - I am off to try my luck. Will be back if it don't work!
[12:33] <Albaraha> zEraCos, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948
[12:34] <zEraCos> is my 2gb hd enough ?
[12:34] <zEraCos> hmm
[12:34] <zEraCos> doesnt seem so
[12:35] <Seveas> it'll be a bit too small
[12:35] <P3L|C4N0> Bigglez Hi - I want to put some packages onto a CD for offline install -- man apt-cdrom
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> zEraCos : only install a base system and add packages you need from there
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> should be under 2G in the end
[12:36] <Seveas> P3L|C4N0, that'll only work if you are on an Ubuntu or Debian system...
[12:36] <Seveas> And he's on FC himself
[12:36] <zEraCos> ok, I probably need swap also.. but exactly how much space does the base system take?
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> not sure.. but cant be 2G
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> how much ram?
[12:36] <zEraCos> 64
[12:37] <zEraCos> cpu is 500mhz
[12:37] <zEraCos> p3
[12:37] <z|bandito> 128 iirc
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> eek
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> err
[12:37] <z|bandito> o nm
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> ok 128+64 ram
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> no make it 256 swap
[12:37] <zEraCos> ok
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> and install a base, unselect all the packages but those that run the system
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> would help if you dont install a GUI right away
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> but blackbox would be cool
[12:38] <Seveas> indeed
[12:38] <Seveas> fluxbox
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> heh Seveas : you should see my screen shot
[12:38] <zEraCos> ok I will go for the nocd installation..
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -rootwin rocks, got kate moss pole dancin as my animated desktop background
[12:38] <_randabis> I'm running kde 3.4.1 on a pentium 3 450 mhz laptop with 224 mb of ram with little problems
[12:38] <Seveas> lol lsuactiafner :)
[12:39] <zEraCos> ok
[12:39] <_randabis> sure it isn't the fastest thing in the world but it isn't unbearably slow either
[12:39] <zEraCos> does ubuntu use xorg or xfree?
[12:39] <_randabis> x.org
[12:39] <zEraCos> k
[12:39] <_randabis> the latest iirc unless a new release came out recently
[12:41] <_randabis> heh I'm in a hotel atm using their free high speed access :p
[12:41] <zEraCos> cool man
[12:41] <_randabis> our 18 wheeler broke down and it isn't gonna get fixed until tuesday at least :/
[12:41] <DrX> Hi I have installed Ubuntu(actualy kubuntu) on my laptop and it worked great until yesterday when I turned it off instead of showing a konsole after closing X there was just a bunch of different colours, today X crashed and the screen showed a stripe pattern with colours, anyone know what can cause this ? it doesn't seem like a healthy sign :)
[12:42] <DrX> I don't want to go back to WinXP again
[12:43] <korCZiz> i am worry because everywhere in my company is used winxp
[12:43] <randabis> that's a doozy
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~ $ skype
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~ $
[12:45] <Fr0Gs> can i get some help?
[12:46] <HappyFool> Fr0Gs: does this help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto ?
[12:46] <Fr0Gs> thank you HappyFool
[12:46] <Raptoid> ubuntu 5.04 vs. ubuntu 5.10 ?
[12:47] <_4strO> ( Systme d'exploitation ) Linux Ubuntu 5.04 - hoary Noyau: 2.6.10-5-k7, GNU/Linux | Xorg: 6.8.2 | Desktop: Gnome v2.1.0 | Client IRC: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[12:47] <_4strO> ultragum> is this better ?
[12:47] <_4strO> :p)
[12:47] <Raptoid> 5.10 ?
[12:48] <Raptoid> what s upgrade 5.04 5.10
[12:48] <Raptoid> ?
[12:48] <HappyFool> Raptoid: 5.10 will be released in October of this year
[12:48] <Vjaz> raphinou, What are you trying to ask? 5.10 is the development release.
[12:48] <adwait> hello there
[12:49] <phycho_> lo
[12:49] <ultragum> _4strO: what?
[12:49] <Will__> Doctor+7of9 singing 'You are my Sunshine'. Classic ST
[12:49] <_4strO> i recieved a CTCP version from u
[12:51] <adwait> hm........nobody seems top be having any problems this eveing
[12:52] <adwait> ping
[12:52] <Fr0Gs> HappyFool, will ubuntu 5.10 have support for a ATI Radeon 9600XT 256mb
[12:52] <gorilla_> poing!
[12:52] <adwait> gorilla_: :D
[12:53] <z|bandito> how do you use the VESA driver?
[12:53] <gorilla_> adwait, I'm more of a fan of sonar than table tennis :-D
[12:53] <adwait> heh
[12:54] <Fr0Gs> does anyone know if Ubuntu 5.10 will have proper support for an ATI Radeon 9600XT 256mb
[12:55] <HappyFool> Fr0Gs: not a clue, sorry
[12:55] <signbarn> I installed smeg through Synaptic, and when I run it, it gives me the busy icon for a bit and eventually does nothing. When I run it from a terminal I get some weird printouts
[12:55] <DrX> adwait: i got a problem with my laptop if you are interested i can paste my question again :)
[12:55] <slept> does anyone know how to solve this : kernel-panic : not syncing - VFS: unable to mount root on unknowen block (0,0) ?
[12:56] <phycho_> that when compiling a 2.6 kernel by any chance?
[12:56] <phycho_> (after install + reboot)
[12:57] <tony> does anyone know how to update firefox, my current version is 1.02 and i notice a newwer version is out 1.04 but the package manager does not advise me of an update
[12:58] <slept> phycho, no it's a precompiled one
[12:59] <phycho> ah k
[12:59] <ua> hi; i'm trying to setup software raid boot on a system that wasn't installed with software raid (raid1).  what modules do i need in the initrd; i can't see the md devices on boot.
[12:59] <phycho> no idea then.. i had that problem with one i had compiled myself
[01:00] <queuetue> Is there a GUI tool for administering a Samba server?
[01:00] <ua> anybody?
[01:01] <Will__> queuetue: webmin does it. I believe ubuntu comes with a tool to do it
[01:01] <fanmaris> greets people
[01:02] <queuetue> Will__, Do you have any idea where it is instlled, or what it is named?
[01:02] <HappyFool> tony: firefox 1.04 fixes have been backported to ubuntu firefox. The version number is not bumped, however
[01:02] <HappyFool> tony: if you need to get into the extensions site on mozilla.org, you can tweak the version number firefox reports
[01:02] <Will__> queuetue: Well, I use System>Administratior>Shared Folders myself
[01:03] <tony> happyFool: cheers, tks
[01:03] <slept> queuetue, use swat  if you want it for a server
[01:03] <fanmaris> i have problem with screen resolution in gnome..
[01:03] <Will__> queuetue: What are you trying to do, that you need a gui tool?
[01:03] <Will__> slept: Of course! I'd forgotten about that
[01:03] <fanmaris> can`t change it :-(
[01:04] <queuetue> Will__, Does "shared Folders" do smbpasswd, etc?
[01:04] <Will__> queuetue: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[01:05] <ua> hello? anybody? any clues? how to manually get software1 raid detected at the initrd level in hoary?
[01:06] <queuetue> So, using the command line is reequired?  I don't mind at all, but the client wh owns the computer will be too intimidated.
[01:06] <queuetue> What other options do I have for sharing files with OSX?
[01:06] <queuetue> Appletalk?
[01:06] <Will__> queuetue: That guide will show you how to do it. Easily.
[01:07] <Will__> NFS might work. Never used it myself
[01:07] <fanmaris> Can you help me ? Anybody?
[01:07] <queuetue> Will__, The guide you just showed me shows how to use a GUI to modify user accounts for samba?
[01:08] <SrRaven> anyone here,i ordered the cds a while ago and they still arent here
[01:08] <Will__> queuetue: Text files.
[01:08] <SrRaven> msg nickserv register boobies
[01:08] <queuetue> I think it takes a while - they need to collect enough orders to make a batch... (If I recall.)
[01:08] <gorilla_> SrRaven, they do arrive... mine took about 6 or seven weeks... but they were hoary :-)
[01:08] <ua> does anybody have any experiences in creating generic initrd images, or am i talking to the wall?
[01:08] <queuetue> SrRaven, change your password.
[01:08] <SrRaven> k
[01:09] <SrRaven> buuh
[01:09] <davro> yup i ordered some cd and they never turned up unless the dog stole/eat them.
[01:09] <bimberi> fanmaris: This might help you - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:09] <SrRaven> dont know how to change pw AND can it be that i ordered wrong im from germany and had some problems filling stuff into fields because i werent sure about stuff
[01:09] <fanmaris> ok thank you..
[01:10] <IIIEars> davro - gotta watch the mailman. - mistook the ubuntu CDs for aol? - grin
[01:10] <Nova-A001> whats the quickest way to add support to Totem for all the video and audio formats? Everytime i try to play anything it just fails.
[01:11] <littlefae> Hiya people.
[01:11] <bimberi> Nova-A001: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <littlefae> Can someone help me with a folder-sharing connundrum?
[01:12] <Nova-A001> ok, thank you.
[01:12] <bimberi> np :)
[01:12] <IIIEars> Nova-A001 - everyone has a favorite player. i am kind of partial to VideoLAN  (VLC) for DVDs and XMMS for music. - totem didn't work for me either. <shrug>
[01:12] <Will__> littlefae: Ask the question. To the room
[01:12] <littlefae> I did.  I don't know how to set up shared folders on *nix
[01:12] <Nova-A001> I just want to be able to play _anything_ .
[01:12] <Nova-A001> what can totem do out of the box?
[01:13] <Will__> littlefae: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[01:13] <slept> littlefae, either nfs or samba depends if you want to share with windows or not
[01:14] <IIIEars> Nova-A001 - Sound is muted by default in Ubuntu check that first. - then grab XMMS - i use totem to make my app list look longer, thats about it.
[01:15] <Will__> Wanna fight?
[01:15] <signbarn> Totem is working well for me
[01:17] <IIIEars> Anyone recall the video player that uses a pair of sunglasses as it's logo? - the name escapes me now but it worked great.
[01:18] <daddius> hello
[01:18] <daddius> anyone home?
[01:18] <daddius> i neeed some serous help
[01:19] <Seveas> daddius, read the topic: just ask :)
[01:19] <IIIEars> !nvidia
[01:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:19] <Seveas> !IIIEars
[01:19] <ubotu> hmm... iiiears is one of my teachers
[01:19] <Seveas> :)
[01:19] <daddius> i have just installed this great distro... one problem... i never set root account passwd
[01:19] <Seveas> daddius, correct
[01:19] <Seveas> there is no root password :)
[01:19] <Seveas> daddius: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:19] <daddius> what
[01:20] <daddius> i am confused
[01:20] <daddius> then who is root?
[01:20] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses the much safer and much more versatile sudo approach, which gets rid of a required root account
[01:20] <Seveas> daddius, read that page :)
[01:21] <signbarn> the user you did create is an admin, so you use that password for sudo (as i understand it)
[01:21] <daddius> ok ok
[01:21] <daddius> i think i understand
[01:21] <Seveas> signbarn, correct
[01:21] <daddius> i mean i am not new to sudo but this concept i guess
[01:21] <Seveas> The initial user is added to the sudoers file
[01:22] <Seveas> as is the admin group
[01:22] <daddius> is it possible to make custom kernels?
[01:22] <Seveas> daddius, please try to stick to it instead of setting a root password, you'll learn to appreciate it :)
[01:22] <Seveas> daddius, of course :)
[01:22] <daddius> Seveas, no problem...
[01:22] <Seveas> The best approach is to start with the ubuntu sources and apply patches to that (or simpy editing the .config)
[01:23] <Seveas> daddius: You can find compilation instructions on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[01:23] <Seveas> make-kpkg rocks :)
[01:23] <daddius> i think i will wait and play around
[01:24] <littlefae> I want one that mimics MS-DOS. ^_~
[01:24] <Will__> If I do su to root, does that make me a bad person?
[01:24] <phycho> no :P
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> Will__ : no
[01:25] <DrX> Hi I have installed Ubuntu(actualy kubuntu) on my laptop and it worked great until yesterday when I turned it off instead of showing a konsole after closing X there was just a bunch of different colours, today X crashed and the screen showed a stripe pattern with colours, anyone know what can cause this ? it doesn't seem like a healthy sign :)
[01:25] <Will__> Oh! I have one. Anybody know a way to scroll workspaces using the mouse wheel under gnome? It works when I mouse-over the workspace switcher, but I'd like it to work when I am over the desktop/root window also
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> DrX : electromagnetic solar pulses
[01:25] <littlefae> I get that DrX
[01:25] <psychonate> I have a process that will not die.
[01:25] <Seveas> Will__, yes :) sudo -i is the Ubuntu way to get a root shell
[01:25] <littlefae> Except for the crashes, anyway
[01:26] <Will__> Seveas: *grin* I know. Old habits.
[01:26] <lsuactiafner> psychonate : killall -9 name_of_program
[01:26] <littlefae> On my laptop, it's because my A/V chipset does both sound and video, sound corrupts the image from time to time
[01:26] <Seveas> kill -9 pid_of_program
[01:26] <psychonate> Cdrecord is trying to fixate a CDRW after a write, but just can't do it. And kill and killall -9 aren't killing it.
[01:26] <ptiseb> fr?
[01:26] <psychonate> Anyway, it's been going for about 6 hours now.
[01:27] <Seveas> psychonate, might be an I/O hang, which is a kernel thing and cannot be interrupted...
[01:27] <Seveas> rebooting might then be the only way...
[01:27] <DrX> littlefae: what kind of laptop do you have ?
[01:27] <psychonate> This pains me greatly
[01:27] <Seveas> ptiseb, #ubuntu-fr est le canal francophone...
[01:27] <psychonate> Reboots are my arch enemy.
[01:27] <littlefae> An El Classique laptop.  Dell CPt C-series, Celery Stick 333Mhz, Mediamagic AV chipset, 128MB RAM
[01:27] <psychonate> Each time I reboot, I feel as if I need to break something nearby.
[01:28] <Seveas> :)
[01:28] <psychonate> well, my day is not started well it seems :(
[01:28] <kyncani> psychonate: yeah, this kernel bug is really nasty ... maybe try to kill -CONT the process or "eject /dev/thecd"
[01:28] <psychonate> I tried eject
[01:29] <signbarn> if i have a .deb package, how do i go about installing it?
[01:29] <psychonate> here goes reboot
[01:29] <littlefae> OOoh, someone from the UK. ^_^
[01:29] <DrX> littlefae: do you know if this is fixable or something i have to live with ? (Im worried it might damage the computer)
[01:29] <HappyFool> signbarn: 'sudo dpkg -i <debfile>'
[01:29] <littlefae> As long as it's only graphical corruption, it's liveable.  However, you can help it by reducing some video settings, at least it works on my lappy. :)
[01:29] <signbarn> thanks, HappyFool :-)
[01:29] <Iruka> in KDE (ubuntu+kubuntu packages), if I add xterm to the menus it works fine, but if I also add a shortcut key and use that, it launches it OK once, and after I quit it KDE says "KDEInit could not launch 'xterm'.". If I try to launch two xterms at once, it grabs the keyboard (only mouse works), and even ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work. (I didn't even know it could do that!) Any idea how to solve that (except "don't do that then!" :-P)
[01:30] <signbarn> and after the install, is the .deb forgotten? (can i delete it?)
[01:30] <cas-> Hi, I'm a happy new user who like to use ubuntu with my Nikon firewire scanner, I was amazed everything worked like a charm but I've one problem. Only root can access the scanner.
[01:30] <davro> ubuntu made number 1 across the distrowatch boards!
[01:31] <cas-> How can I change the permissions of it?
[01:31] <_SWAT_> Anyone here got experience with Fluxbox/XFCE/Enlightentment on Ubuntu? (are they good/bad?) I want to really pimp my desktop :D
[01:31] <jeroen_> Iruka, file a bug
[01:31] <DrX> littlefae: its not a small corruption the screen doesn't resemble the desktop at all just a bunch of coloured stripes
[01:31] <cas-> _SWAT_, pimping is very porsonal, just try them out, i like fluxbox the most of those three
[01:31] <bimberi> cas-: Check that the user is a member of the "scanner" group
[01:32] <Seveas> signbarn, yes
[01:32] <littlefae> Yep same as mine
[01:32] <signbarn> that's how i happened upon ubuntu -- distrowatch. i'm brand new to linux, so i'm soaking in as much as i can, and i'm proud to be a part of this distro :-)
[01:32] <jeroen_> _SWAT_, I've tried KDE and XFCE, and they work. XFCE is nice because it's really fast
[01:32] <DrX> littlefae: how do you restore the desktop ? do you have to reboot ?
[01:32] <littlefae> Total screen corruption
[01:32] <Seveas> davro,  look at /topic
[01:32] <Seveas> :)
[01:32] <_SWAT_> cas-, is fluxbox 'fast' and is it difficult to config?
[01:32] <Seveas> _SWAT_, both yes :)
[01:32] <_SWAT_> jeroen_, XFCE is faster than gnome?
[01:32] <cas-> bimberi, yes the users are in that group
[01:32] <littlefae> Like I said, never had a crash from it, just the corruption.  Tried the grub option for safe mode?
[01:33] <davro> SWAT if you want to pimp your desktop then, Blackbox Fluxbox is out of the question as it is a window manager, but a good one at that.
[01:33] <jeroen_> _SWAT_, yes
[01:33] <Seveas> _SWAT_, again yes :)
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : use blackbox and try mplayer -rootwin file.avi
[01:33] <bimberi> k
[01:33] <Will__> I use blackbox on my windows box. Have done for over a year now
[01:33] <lsuactiafner> fluxbox and blackbox is fast
[01:33] <daddius> hey, where can i find gcc?
[01:33] <_SWAT_> hehehehe thnx guys :)
[01:33] <jeroen_> daddius, you can just install it
[01:34] <davro> fluxbox as got the tabbed application that rock harder than a granny in a rocking chair.
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> daddius : apt-get install build-essential
[01:34] <jeroen_> daddius, if you want to build things, install "build-essential"
[01:34] <DrX> littlefae: no never tried safe mode, what's the difference ? (I thought safe mode only was for recovery)
[01:34] <_SWAT_> davro, ROFL
[01:34] <littlefae> Thought you were trying to recover though? O_o
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> ftp://ftp.uunet.co.za/pub/incoming/draconis/bb0.jpg <-- might still be up
[01:35] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, why should I try "mplayer -rootwin file.avi" ? Will it hang or gwhat?
[01:35] <cas-> bimberi, Maybe because my scanner is seen as a scsi device it isn't reconised as a scanner? Any other methods I can set permissions on devices?
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : no, it will play a vid as your background, basically, an animated background
[01:35] <lsuactiafner> i got kate moss pole dancin as my background..
[01:35] <Will__> blahaha
[01:36] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, nice url by the way (it's still up)
[01:36] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, that's way cool :) (animated background)
[01:36] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -nortc -rootwin -loop 0 -fs -hardframedrop something.avi
[01:36] <DrX> littlefae: the computer works fine after a reboot but Im worried that this error will cause damage to the graphic card or something, thought it could be a common bug
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> uses around 0.8 upto 5% dependin on loads and quality i want
[01:37] <bimberi> cas-: Unfortunately I'm not near the PC that I set up with the scanner (it's at work).
[01:37] <littlefae> It is, on devices with shared memory for audio and video, I've seen it on a dozen laptops
[01:37] <lsuactiafner> -lavdopts lowres=1 -vfm ffmpeg doesnt use much cpu but it doesnt look as nice
[01:38] <cas-> anyone else know how to set permissions on hardware, I really have no idea what to look for :(
[01:38] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, thnx for the input :D
[01:38] <littlefae> chmod?
[01:38] <DrX> littlefae: ok good, well not good but at least it's not just me :) thanks for the info
[01:38] <cas-> chmod /dev/sg0 ?
[01:38] <lsuactiafner> blackbox rocks.. its old, its small, but it rocks
[01:38] <cas-> thats an idea tnx littlefae
[01:38] <littlefae> I guess. :)  Changes permissions after all
[01:38] <HappyFool> cas-: what do you want to do ?
[01:39] <cas-> HappyFool, let normal users acces my scanner
[01:39] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : click all 3 mouse buttons on the desktop for menus, and if you use the scroll wheel it flips desktops/workspaces
[01:39] <Will__> I think there are more up-to-date forks of BB about now
[01:39] <Will__> *i
[01:39] <HappyFool> cas-: what group does /dev/sg0 belong to ? (ls -l /dev/sg0 should tell you)
[01:40] <manchine> alsaconf is not available at all?
[01:40] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, thnx for the intell. And sometimes old is better (if it's updated regular)
[01:40] <signbarn> i'm having trouble with smeg and my applications menu. i can only get smeg to run if i run it from a terminal with sudo, and any changes i make are in vain. when i close it, i get strange error messages.
[01:40] <davro> lsuactiafner, agreed blackbox rocks it is old but it is as reliable as hell, got gnu/linux debian uptime of over 400 days no problems.
[01:40] <littlefae> Okay peeps.  Anyone able to tell me, if there's a telnet based BBS available for installation? :)
[01:42] <littlefae> ANother UK person. :D
[01:42] <lsuactiafner> _SWAT_ : thing with blackbox is, it renders a GUI, from there a user can make it do what a he wants, makin the interface unique and very usable
[01:42] <cas-> HappyFool, yup it works now, i changed it to the scanner group
[01:42] <HappyFool> littlefae: not sure what you mean by that
[01:42] <Seveas> signbarn, poke Amaranth when he is around, he created smeg
[01:42] <cas-> only one thing, is this setting saved or do i need to do it everytime I restart the pc?
[01:43] <littlefae> I am wanting to run a pre-1991 BBS, as in, the type that you use telnet to login to
[01:43] <Will__> Nobody told me about this secret way. Does it involve tea?
[01:43] <Will__> littlefae: Google finds a few. 'Mystic BBS' seems popular
[01:43] <signbarn> thanks, Seveas. will do.
[01:43] <littlefae> Hmmm, good ole google
[01:44] <littlefae> Will__ Yep, and scones
[01:44] <Will__> Don't say that. I'm hungry
[01:44] <bimberi> cas-: it should stick (glad you got a resolution btw :) )
[01:44] <gorilla_> littlefae, but only if you restrict the "modem" speed to 14.4k :-)
[01:45] <gorilla_> littlefae, with jam, please :-)
[01:45] <cas-> tnx alo bimberi, littlefae and HappyFool
[01:45] <littlefae> Have to run it on Windoze too. :(
[01:46] <HappyFool> littlefae: how about a web server, with a 'webforum' type app of some sort?
[01:46] <Blissex> littlefae: even if I live in the UK I am appallingly italian (with strong welsh influences to make it worse :->)
[01:46] <lsuactiafner>  13:48:02 up 1 day, 16:56, 21 users,  load average: 10.41, 6.34, 4.23
[01:46] <lsuactiafner> ):
[01:47] <anto9us> I live in Wales
[01:47] <littlefae> HappyFool: I need it to be Telnet based, to go with my game.
[01:47] <anto9us> littlefae: your bbs may run under an emulator
[01:47] <Blissex> littlefae: there are very many BBS style systems still, for UNIX/Linux
[01:48] <Will__> Blissex: Want to make me a cup of coffee?
[01:49] <Will__> I have an espresso machine. It is downstairs
[01:50] <Blissex> actually in Aberystyth there is an italian cafe` called The Penguin, it is not too bad either... :-)
[01:50] <Andre4s> is it easy to get mp3 support in rhythmbox?
[01:51] <littlefae> yes
[01:51] <Andre4s> how
[01:51] <littlefae> Argh.. lost the link
[01:51] <littlefae> One sec
[01:52] <anatole> hmmm, someone suggest pls a character which does not argue with bash, and makes a directory/file appear in the first place when arranged by name
[01:52] <anatole> like ! or _ on windows
[01:53] <snprron> hello
[01:54] <snprron> anyone here successfully install xine?
[01:54] <Andre4s> I have
[01:54] <snprron> how did u do it?
[01:54] <lsuactiafner> snprron : nope never nobody heh (: just jokin
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> apt-get install xine
[01:55] <Andre4s> whith synaptic
[01:55] <lsuactiafner> but i was dancin around a camp fire singin along to korn for it to work
[01:55] <snprron> :-)
[01:56] <lsuactiafner> suppose you dont need the campfire..
[01:56] <snprron> nope,
[01:56] <snprron> tried the apt-get install xine...
[01:56] <snprron> could not find package...
[01:57] <lsuactiafner> synaptic then
[01:57] <littlefae> Do a search on the Ubuntu Wiki for 'restricted formats'  I can't seem to get the link at the moment, as Epiphany crashed
[01:57] <Will__> I know pointwood
[01:57] <pointwood> ?
[01:58] <Will__> That's it really
[01:58] <littlefae> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28Restricted%29
[01:58] <lsuactiafner> !restricted
[01:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:58] <littlefae> Same file, different method to get to it. :D
[02:00] <snprron> another question....
[02:00] <snprron> what does totem need to work?
[02:02] <Andre4s> thanks
[02:02] <littlefae> NP
[02:02] <_SWAT_> snprron, just use mplayer :D
[02:02] <littlefae> Works great on my machine.  I coupled it with the BEEP music player, so I could use all my old windows Winamp skins. :D
[02:03] <lsuactiafner> snprron : try mplayer
[02:04] <lsuactiafner> there is a reason why mplayer is the most downloaded software on freshmeat.net
[02:04] <cas-> lsuactiafner, because it's the best movie player for linux?
[02:04] <Seveas> snprron, totem needs gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3
[02:04] <_SWAT_> and it works great (even with WMV!!!!)
[02:04] <Will__> mplayer will play any file under the sun
[02:05] <cas-> indeed, and mplayer uses less resources then any player i've tried
[02:06] <snprron> is mplayer an apt-get package?
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> sorta
[02:06] <lsuactiafner> check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:06] <_SWAT_> lsuactiafner, just to make this chan more personal, what's your asl+job? 21/M/Netherlands, Job: Student
[02:07] <littlefae> He designs the gnome widgets. :D
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> heh i thik i will be -q if i say that _SWAT_
[02:07] <lsuactiafner> can barely chat keyboard input is slow
[02:07] <_SWAT_> :/
[02:07] <zeff> Does anyone here roll their own kernels?
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> hitting loads in 10 again
[02:08] <Nevado> is anyone here using breezy? i'm having issues with locales
[02:08] <lsuactiafner> yeh i make own kernls
[02:08] <zeff> after rolling my own, I get this error at boot ?device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed"
[02:08] <xoz> immortalsinger: don't pm me.
[02:08] <Nevado> i get this exact problem http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43467&highlight=locale
[02:09] <Blue_Summer> Everyone: i bought a program called boot magic v-8 and its an exe how do i use it?
[02:09] <littlefae> Using Wine?
[02:09] <Blue_Summer> can't use wine
[02:09] <zeff>  lsuactiafner, have you experienced that?
[02:09] <ubuntu> re
[02:09] <Blue_Summer> i'm using an amd64 so wine is out of the question
[02:09] <littlefae> Then you're scuppered
[02:10] <ubuntu> !nick whoo
[02:10] <ubotu> ubuntu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:10] <Prottie> hmmm
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> zeff : never seen it
[02:10] <Prottie> how do you clean a lcd?
[02:10] <lsuactiafner> but got amd 3200 asus a8n deluxe
[02:10] <littlefae> I use something called 'SafeClean' Prottie
[02:10] <whoo2> re
[02:10] <littlefae> About 4 a can, though
[02:10] <Will__> Prottie: Send it to me.. I will clean it
[02:11] <Blue_Summer> littlefae, i thought i had installed this on a seperate partition but when i boot it goes into grub and if i click escape within 5 seconds? it lets me boot from different  ubuntu such as ubuntu safe, terminal safe mode but no windows option
[02:11] <_SWAT_> anyone here use speech recognition? I'm thinking about using it. I used it a long time ago on my windows pc and it was kinda fun :P (walking around, telling winamp when to go to the next song)
[02:11] <littlefae> Dunno Blue_Summer, not a techie in such areas
[02:11] <zeff> thanks, it is driving me nuts.  I have a few other issues as well.  But after compiling my own kernels for years, when I compile for Ubuntu there is alway one or 2 things throwing errors or not working.
[02:11] <Blue_Summer> anyone : how can i boot from cd because everytime it goes straight into ubuntu
[02:11] <Blue_Summer> ok littlefae
[02:12] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, change the boot order in your bios settings
[02:12] <z|bandito> i installed apache and it's running ok, how do i associate a application with a certain extension?
[02:12] <Blue_Summer> Nevado,  i have cd as boot order one and hdd as boot order 2
[02:13] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, sure it's a bootable cd? does it rty reading the disk when you boot?
[02:13] <HappyFool> z|bandito: you mean mime-types?
[02:13] <cas-> What is the best place to put a binary program directory so every user can access it? in /opt and make a symlink in /usr/local/bin ?
[02:13] <z|bandito> yes
[02:13] <Blue_Summer> no it doesn't and yes it is a windows xp disk
[02:13] <z|bandito> i'm not sure where the config is
[02:13] <HappyFool> cas-: sounds reasonable
[02:13] <Blue_Summer> Nevado, its a windows xp installation cd
[02:14] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, hmm... you don't have 2 cdrom drives or anything silly like that right? :)
[02:14] <lsuactiafner> cas- : also chmod a+rx,a-w binary
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> i have a cd rw and a dvd rom/cd rw combi
[02:14] <cas-> ah ok, tnx
[02:14] <Nevado> Blue_Summer, it's porobaly looking at the wrong cdrom drive i would guess
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> Nevado, i have a cd rw and a dvd rom/cd rw combi
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> hmm i'll try it ok
[02:14] <Blue_Summer> time to reboot
[02:15] <Blue_Summer> ty
[02:15] <Nevado> good luck ;)
[02:15] <egg|x2> no hd-dvd ?
[02:15] <HappyFool> z|bandito: take a look in /etc/apache (i forget the exact directory, don't have apache installed)
[02:16] <Firli> erm....I broke my x-server :p
[02:16] <egg|x2> Firli, ?
[02:16] <bigfoot1> hello, i am trying to play some online games. The game loads but there is no text. Is the problem only with me? PLease check out an example at http://www.xgenstudios.com/play/motherload
[02:16] <snprron> thanks for the help folks!
[02:16] <Firli> well, I updated to hoary by changing all the packet-sources and then updated
[02:17] <Firli> next time I restarted it was broken :p
[02:17] <Firli> didn't start
[02:17] <Firli> I'm on windows now :p
[02:17] <Firli> I can still get in command line
[02:17] <atlas> lol
[02:18] <Firli> any package I should try to reinstall?
[02:18] <Firli> I tried x-server-common but it didn't help :p
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know good video capture software for Ubuntu/Kubuntu?
[02:19] <lsuactiafner> Kamping_Kaiser : mplayer
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh :o
[02:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks. *worries about learning curve*
[02:20] <lsuactiafner> yeh, the commandline is huge.. but i think if you ask in #mplayer someone will be able to help sooner or later
[02:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. with rtfm ;)
[02:21] <cas-> Kamping_Kaiser, I dunno what you want to capture but maybe you can take a look at MythTV
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> from a vcr
[02:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> so it doesnt have to be able to tune
[02:21] <podge> Any mythtv users here?
[02:22] <egg|x2> no?
[02:22] <cas-> brb, reboot
[02:22] <qos> how can i make sure, that firefox only uses eth0 for data transfers?
[02:23] <egg|x2> qos, what do you mean?
[02:24] <qos> i have 2 network interfaces, i can access the internet with both interfaces, but i want that firefox only uses ONE of them
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> qos : i think you should look into route
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> qos : but thats a very complicated question
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> iptables, have fun qos
[02:24] <lsuactiafner> what do you use the other interface for?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> yeh route and iptables
[02:25] <qos> damn, i hoped it can be solved like "firefox -i eth0"
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> iptables might just be easier but you might need the route patch on iptables
[02:25] <qos> both are connections to the internet, both with an own ip
[02:25] <podge> Is he saying he only wants port 80 traffic on eth0?
[02:25] <lsuactiafner> qos : ask in the freenode firefox channel, ther might be something like that
[02:26] <egg|x2> qos, Is it a qestion?
[02:26] <qos> hmm, i also wants to set the interface for other programms, like irc clients or instant messengers ...
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> same deal qos
[02:27] <jeroen__> how can i play mp3 file?
[02:27] <lsuactiafner> qos : i got an idea, set squid up on your boxen to use eth0 and make squid the firefox proxy for all protocalls
[02:27] <egg|x2> qos, (old Qos things is out)
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeroen__ xmms
[02:28] <egg|x2> qos, (gooogle...)
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> qos : the question is, eth0 is for what, eth1 is for what?
[02:28] <qos> egg, why do you think i am asking?
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> since it might be easier to route add default gw ip_of_eth0 eth0
[02:28] <lsuactiafner> and then to match what you want on eth1 only
[02:28] <HappyFool> jeroen_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to play mp3s
[02:28] <zen444> anyone here knows  how to export email from thunderbird on one computer to another ?
[02:28] <itom> hi all, I've tried to costumize the livecd and works only with my nvidia graphics card; do you know how to set the xorg.conf ready for all?
[02:29] <egg|x2> xorg hehehhehhehhehheh
[02:29] <qos> lsuactiafner : i dont know what to route exactly. imagine i want to make sure gaim only uses eth0
[02:29] <IIIEars> itom - "VESA"??
[02:29] <lsuactiafner> yeh but i'm askin you, what do you want to use eth1 for?
[02:30] <qos> other internet applications. for example filesharing.
[02:31] <egg|x2> qos, (hehe)
[02:31] <lsuactiafner> i think you will need to look into tc, route, iptables, very complicated, might involve patching your kenrel with patch-o-matic iptables
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> even i wont attempt it lightly
[02:32] <IIIEars> would "Bastille" help qos?
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> -i might workon some programs tho
[02:32] <zyth> after I edit my /boot/grub/menu.lst do I need to run any commands to make it 'take'?
[02:32] <lsuactiafner> proxyin might help some
[02:32] <egg|x2> qos, (I do not want going to some sites)
[02:33] <qos> whats Bastille?
[02:35] <fRanCo> When installing ubuntu, can I choose what packages to install etc?  for instance base system only+icewm or fluxbox?
[02:37] <nickrud> fRanCo yes, you can do a server install, then install x-window-system and icewm or fluxbox, for example
[02:38] <kyncani2> zyth: nope, grub will read it at bootup
[02:38] <fRanCo> nickrud, install from the installer itself or grab it from the net? (asking this, because i will install on a offline computer)
[02:39] <HappyFool> i don't think fluxbox / icewm are on the ubuntu cd
[02:39] <gorilla_> Hi all, I am having trouble with a segmentation fault in the nvidia-glx package and was wondering if there is a way to check the list of files against the package file list.
[02:40] <nickrud> fRanCo no, the wm's are in universe, you'll need the net
[02:40] <fRanCo> hmm ok
[02:40] <fRanCo> can I install ubuntu from a remote computer?
[02:40] <HappyFool> gorilla_: you get a segmentation fault when you install it, or when you run it?
[02:40] <fRanCo> the cd drive doesnt work properly
[02:41] <fRanCo> so if its possible to install ubuntu through network?
[02:41] <slept> fRanCo, if you have base and ssh installed you can do the rest
[02:41] <nickrud> fRanCo there are methods, you might check the wiki for details
[02:41] <gorilla_> HappyFool, when I run a 3d graphic app, such as glxinfo or glxgears....
[02:41] <fRanCo> ok
[02:41] <slept> fRanCo, you can debootstrap
[02:41] <fRanCo> slept, that means?
[02:42] <gorilla_> fRanCo, that means that you need the base system installed that you can ssh into... the short answer is no you must be local to the computer that you want to install ubuntu on.
[02:43] <egg|x2> slept, old old things ... it is
[02:43] <fRanCo> hmm ok
[02:43] <slept> fRanCo, apt-cache show debootstrap - you'll have to put the hd in a machine on which you have already running ubuntu
[02:43] <Fr0Gs> i installed xmms using apt-get install xmms how do i find out it's location?
[02:44] <slept> Fr0Gs, dpkg -L ...
[02:44] <HappyFool> gorilla_: did you restart X after 'nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[02:45] <gorilla_> yes... I also tried the driver from nvidia.com... not sucessful either.
[02:45] <slept> Fr0Gs, but you can start it via <ALT> + <F2>
[02:45] <nickrud> fRanCo you might try https://wiki.ubuntu.com//NetbootInstallHowto, I've never used it
[02:45] <HappyFool> gorilla_: X starts normally, though, and you see the nvidia logo ?
[02:45] <fRanCo> nickrud, ok thnx
[02:45] <Fr0Gs> slept, thanks for the help
[02:46] <HappyFool> gorilla_: for your original question, i'm not sure how to check what's installed versus a list. however, packages are checked when installed
[02:46] <gorilla_> HappyFool, X starts, I see the Nv logo and then it dies....
[02:46] <HappyFool> so how are you running glxinfo?
[02:48] <gorilla_> HappyFool, from a terminal within X.... oh... (I have changed back to the nv driver)... Howevere I found a symlink that looked wrong what pointing to the 7667 nvidia driver.
[02:50] <cas-> hi, back again
[02:50] <HappyFool> you *might* be able to find some info in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or an older log -- maybe Xorg.20.log) to help you with the crash on startup
[02:50] <cas-> My device persissions aren't saved on reboot, any idea where i can set this?
[02:51] <gorilla_> HappyFool, okay... will re-enable the nvidia driver and save a copy of the log files and output (if possible)
[02:51] <HappyFool> cas-: i think you probably need to fiddle with /etc/udev/, but I'm not sure
[02:52] <HappyFool> cas-: see, e.g., /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions
[02:52] <cas-> HappyFool, yeah allready into that, but i can't figure out what the sga device makes
[02:52] <jeroen__> how can i play a mp3 file
[02:52] <HappyFool> jeroen_: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats will tell you how to play mp3s
[02:53] <cas-> I think I got it, brb reboot to test it
[02:53] <HappyFool> cas-: i could actually never figure out udev ;) so i can't help much. look at 'man udev', and maybe 'man udevd' as well
[02:53] <cas-> i will do that if it's not working, tnx
[02:53] <nickrud> cas- I used http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html once to set up a device, It's pretty straightforward
[02:54] <HappyFool> i wanted to get a symlink for my winmodem via udev, but it refused to do so on boot. was rather annoying
[02:54] <nickrud> I used it as a cookbook, I don't claim to understand it :)
[02:57] <jeroen__> when i click on a mp3 i see Can not read.........
[02:57] <HappyFool> jeroen_: have you read the RestrictedFormats page?
[02:58] <jeroen__> yeas i have instal gsteamer
[02:58] <gorilla_> HappyFool, error about libfb (whatever that does)->   http://pastebin.com/306408
[02:58] <egg|x2> jeroen_, (fake mp3)
[02:58] <egg|x2> jeroen_, (patent mp3 ?)
[02:58] <HappyFool> jeroen_: and gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[02:59] <nickrud> jeroen_ you can try file <mp3> to check the file itself
[02:59] <miquel> hi
[02:59] <HappyFool> gorilla_: i don't think that is too critical
[03:00] <jeroen__> it dont works:(
[03:00] <HappyFool> gorilla_: i have the same message in my log file, and my nvidia is working fine
[03:00] <egg|x2> MP3 file with ID3 version 2.3.0 tag <- mine
[03:00] <jeroen__> i have instal gstreamer0.8-mad an lame
[03:00] <gorilla_> HappyFool, okay... in that case I'll paste the entire X log.. :-)
[03:00] <egg|x2> $file <some mp3>
[03:01] <miquel> anybody can help me about one DVD EXTERN usb?  how can this work in ubuntu?
[03:01] <HappyFool> gorilla_: might be easiest
[03:02] <HappyFool> jeroen_: what is the precise error message you get?
[03:02] <egg|x2> ?
[03:02] <HappyFool> gorilla_: fwiw, (II) means information, (WW) warning and (EE) error
[03:02] <egg|x2> I don't need a mp3 file -_-
[03:03] <egg|x2> strange guy -_-
[03:03] <HappyFool> frustrated, i guess. *shrug*
[03:03] <egg|x2> ?
[03:07] <gorilla_> HappyFool, http://pastebin.com/306410 (sorry about the length :-) )
[03:09] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm, this looks weird: Default mode "320x240": 12.6 MHz, 31.5 kHz, 60.1 Hz (D)
[03:09] <HappyFool> line 551
[03:09] <HappyFool> why are all your modes being dropped?
[03:10] <gorilla_> HappyFool, I'm not sure where they come from in xorg...
[03:12] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm. i'm pretty sure modes like 640x480 should be doable by your card and monitor
[03:13] <secata> Greets all
[03:13] <gorilla_> HappyFool, I can do 1024x768... which it does with the nv card quite comfortably..
[03:13] <gorilla_> HappyFool, "nv" driver rather.
[03:14] <HappyFool> gorilla_: the only difference between them is that you do 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' ?
[03:14] <HappyFool> gorilla_: by 'them' i mean the nv vs. nvidia X startups
[03:14] <gorilla_> HappyFool, see lini 618 for example...
[03:14] <secata> gorilla_...that's one of the things I absolutely love about ubuntu...nVidia cards gets supported straight out the bocks!
[03:14] <gorilla_> secata, except in this case...
[03:14] <secata> box even...
[03:15] <secata> lol
[03:15] <HappyFool> gorilla_: see line 500 ;)
[03:15] <gorilla_> HappyFool, yep...
[03:15] <secata> What nv card is it?
[03:16] <gorilla_> secata, an 6600GT running off AGP bus.
[03:16] <gm78> Hey all. This is kind of off topic, but no other forums/irc rooms have such nice people. I have an old Pentium MMX with 64 MB of RAM that I would like to make use of. I need a distro that will run on that, has gcc available, and runs kernel 2.4.x
[03:16] <gorilla_> secata, 128MB or ram.
[03:16] <gm78> Anyone got any ideas?
[03:16] <secata> Makes a bit of sense...a bit more on the higher end of the spectrum isn't it?
[03:17] <adwait> hello ppl
[03:17] <secata> Ubuntu should work just fine gm78
[03:17] <HappyFool> gm78: i've heard of damn small linux; maybe that sort of thing is what you want?
[03:17] <gorilla_> secata, yep... I wanted something with a little grunt... mainly for flightgear :-)
[03:17] <gm78> HappyFool, neither puppy nor DSL have gcc available
[03:17] <hac> What is the best editor for python?
[03:17] <gm78> secata, should i do a server install then? how would i make it run on that
[03:18] <HappyFool> hac: i used emacs when i was hacking python. has quite a good python-mode, and you can run the python interpreter 'inside' emacs
[03:18] <secata> You can order it with no handling fees or postal fees.  It comes with a cd-rom, if you have a cd-drive that is.  It's extremely easy to install
[03:19] <wdh> gm78, just search google for 'minimalistic' and 'linux'
[03:19] <wdh> :)
[03:19] <wdh> gm78, and pick one of the hundreds of options :)
[03:19] <adwait> www.distrowatch.com
[03:19] <secata> hehe...speaking of which (hac's question)...anyone know of a good gcc/c++ IDE for gnome?
[03:19] <adwait> search for minimalistic distros
[03:19] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm. sorry, you seem to have a rather tricky problem. my nvidia worked without problems
[03:19] <adwait> btw: wht kinda configuration are we talking here?
[03:19] <hac> secata, eclipse?
[03:20] <slept> gm78, debian should be nice
[03:20] <gm78> wdh, yes, but none of them meet my requirements
[03:20] <HappyFool> gorilla_: the ubuntu-provided drivers didn't work either?
[03:20] <secata> Ditto HappyFool...FX 5500
[03:20] <HappyFool> gorilla_: or are you now using them?
[03:20] <gorilla_> HappyFool, nope... I tried the ubuntu... they installed but I am having trouble there also... anyway i can force a reinstall??
[03:20] <secata> hac, Hmm...I was looking at that, but then I'd have to get GTK+
[03:20] <gm78> so would a server install of ubuntu and say fvwm or something like that run on a Pentium MMX
[03:20] <gm78> ?
[03:21] <neodium> can anyone direct me to some decent documentation for ubuntu, ive only just switched from windows and cant even install a program... :( help plz
[03:21] <secata> I'm mostly gona be doing kernel dev, so I don't need desktop dev support...
[03:21] <HappyFool> gorilla_: i think the nvidia driver (from nvidia.com) has an 'uninstall' option
[03:21] <adwait> neodium: www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:21] <HappyFool> secata: tried emacs?
[03:21] <adwait> www.ubuntuforums.org for problems
[03:21] <wdh> gm78, it should ;)
[03:21] <adwait> and here for problems
[03:22] <neodium> thnx
[03:22] <gorilla_> adwait, no... not ubuntuguide.org :-/
[03:22] <HappyFool> gorilla_: you had the same problems with the ubuntu drivers ?
[03:22] <NeoCicak> hello
[03:22] <adwait> gorilla: isnt tht a pretyy good guide for ubuntu
[03:22] <adwait> ?
[03:23] <adwait> albeit unofficial
[03:23] <secata> Good point HappyFool  ;o)
[03:23] <NeoCicak> i'm having a problem.. I have a Dell computer with speaker output at the back of the cpu and another output for headphone in front. The problem is that ubuntu only gives sound from the headphone output in front. i.e. If i plug in the speaker cable to the output in the back, there is no sound at all. Can anyone help me here?
[03:23] <gorilla_> adwait, it's not a guide.. it's a list of instructions with little explaination of what is happening.
[03:24] <gorilla_> HappyFool, yes initially... it worked at first untill I rebooted.
[03:24] <adwait> gorilla: well its fine for complete newbies right? after they switch frm windows...wht they want is a working linux system, not an explanation of why their system wasnt working and why it will now work
[03:24] <secata> NeoCicak...it's usually either a BIOS setting or a hardware setup.  I think only one of the sockets can work at one time, can be wrong.
[03:24] <HappyFool> gorilla_: odd. and on reboot?
[03:25] <zEraCos> how much space does base system+gnome take?
[03:25] <slept> neodium, if you speak german selflinux should be perfect
[03:25] <lambert> salut!
[03:25] <NeoCicak> secata: yes, you are right. Only one can work at a time. But i dont get any sound output at all from the one in the back. It works in Windows & Warty.
[03:25] <lambert> ?
[03:25] <adwait> lamber: salut......mais c'est pas la salle francais
[03:26] <gorilla_> HappyFool, on reboot, It spits.. displays the nvidia logo and after about 10 seconds dumps back to the console.. this is a fresh install today :-(
[03:26] <secata> May haps, compare the audio config file for Ubuntu and warty?
[03:27] <Discipulus> bah
[03:27] <Discipulus> I just get 5.04 and you guys release 5.10
[03:27] <secata> moo
[03:27] <lsuactiafner> gorilla_ : you rpolly installed the nvidia drivers with apt-get/
[03:27] <Discipulus> not cool
[03:27] <Discipulus> I'm on dial-up
[03:27] <HappyFool> Discipulus: no, 5.10 is due out in october
[03:27] <Discipulus> not even good dial-up
[03:27] <Discipulus> I'm on bad dial-up
[03:27] <Discipulus> I get like 899 b/s for download
[03:27] <gorilla_> Discipulus, 5.10 is not release... due in October.
[03:28] <secata> lol Discipulus...I know what you mean
[03:28] <N3nt> i have instal xmms he play but i hear no sound
[03:28] <adwait> Discipulus: omg!! whrever do u live??
[03:28] <secata> 15 meg's is harsh for a kernel header update...on dial-up that is...
[03:28] <adwait> N3nt: sound issues with xmms and ubuntu...have u set it to use esd?
[03:29] <HappyFool> gorilla_: hrm. ok, i'm afraid i can't really suggest much more
[03:29] <secata> Discipulus...tip...rather use pppconfig to do your dialup than using Gnome/KDE's visual dialer
[03:29] <HappyFool> if you've tried both the official drivers and the driver from nvidia.com, well, that's all i know
[03:29] <secata> Had the same prob with my b/w until I started using pppconfig
[03:29] <gorilla_> HappyFool, not a problem... you did your best... :-)
[03:30] <N3nt> i have instal xmms but i hear no sound
[03:31] <secata> okeanos, is the volume turned up? joke ;o)
[03:31] <N3nt> volume is up;)
[03:31] <NeoCicak> i'm having a problem.. I have a Dell computer with speaker output at the back of the cpu and another output for headphone in front. The problem is that ubuntu only gives sound from the headphone output in front. i.e. If i plug in the speaker cable to the output in the back, there is no sound at all. Can anyone help me here?
[03:32] <secata> whoops, sorry N3nt , okeanos, nick mix up :')
[03:33] <secata> NeoCicak, have you tried comparing configs between Warty and Ubuntu?
[03:33] <Discipulus> secata, what do you mean?
[03:33] <NeoCicak> secata: errr.. u expect me to install warty somewhere?
[03:34] <NeoCicak> secata: and where is this config file located?
[03:34] <secata> Lol, sorry NeoCicak, assumed you had warty dual installed on your pc
[03:34] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: have you run alsamixer and checked that some channels aren't muted?
[03:35] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: that is just a guess; I don't know much more about audio settings
[03:35] <NeoCicak> secata: nope.. i had warty b4 (and i did apt-get dist upgrade at that time to get it to hoary).. and now i did fresh hoary installation.. but things were better back then
[03:35] <zEraCos> from the installdisc.. can I choose to install only base system+gnome+xorg and nothing else?
[03:35] <zEraCos> I also want the login screen
[03:36] <Discipulus> secata, after using pppconfig how do I connect?
[03:36] <secata> Discipulus, you use "pon" to connect, "poff" to disconnect and "plog" to see the status
[03:36] <HappyFool> zEraCos: probably easiest to install server, and add the other bits (xorg/gnome) after install
[03:37] <zEraCos> can they be addad on a offline computer?
[03:37] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: everything are up
[03:37] <Discipulus> secata, alright
[03:37] <Discipulus> brb
[03:37] <HappyFool> zEraCos: all of that should be on the CD, so yes
[03:38] <cas-> back again, editing the udev permission solved it :)
[03:38] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: in that case, i'm afraid i don't know what the problem is
[03:38] <zEraCos> HappyFool: is there a package app that will open up installation disc for me to choose the packages to install afterhand?
[03:38] <NeoCicak> happyfool: thats allright.. thx anyway
[03:38] <HappyFool> zEraCos: you can use aptitude (console app with menu interface)
[03:38] <cas-> zEraCos, synaptic?
[03:38] <zEraCos> ok
[03:39] <HappyFool> he won't have gnome -- he's going to install the 'server' version
[03:39] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: wait a minute
[03:39] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: thanks man! you solved my prob!
[03:39] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: i did? ;)
[03:39] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: but i dunno which one... i just turned them all up
[03:39] <cas-> ow sorry, i missed the whole conversation :)
[03:39] <zEraCos> HappyFool: is there other window managers on the installation disc other than gnome?
[03:39] <secata> lol
[03:39] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: heh. well, you can use m to toggle muting and find out
[03:39] <HappyFool> zEraCos: i don't think so
[03:39] <zEraCos> ok
[03:40] <NeoCicak> HappyFool: yah... i turned them all up... coz the names are weird..
[03:40] <HappyFool> NeoCicak: indeed. i don't have a clue what 'IEC958 I' is
[03:40] <secata> zEraCos, I think I have KDE on my Ubuntu cd...
[03:40] <HappyFool> secata: then you have the kubuntu cd. or maybe an install dvd
[03:41] <b_e_n_z> anyone running xen on ubuntu successfully?
[03:41] <HappyFool> cas-: what did you do to get the permissions right?
[03:41] <secata> Right HappyFool...cd
[03:42] <gm78> wdh, well i have the ubuntu server installation going on the old computer. it is taking forever :p
[03:42] <zEraCos> HappyFool: when installing ubuntu with standard setup.. how much disk space does it use?
[03:42] <HappyFool> zEraCos: let me see if i can find out; stand by
[03:42] <zEraCos> k
[03:42] <cas-> HappyFool, you were right, I did edit that udev permission file and changed the group from disk to scanner
[03:43] <cas-> HappyFool, I guess if i add an scsi disk now it will also identify as a scanner :) but i don't have any so it won't bother
[03:43] <secata> lol
[03:44] <Discipulus> secata, wow, there's a major difference. Thanks for that piece of advice!
[03:45] <secata> No prob :o)
[03:47] <secata> Is S.A. so weak on the net?!  I can never find a file mirror on the za domain for downloads...*CRAP*
[03:47] <secata> Greets eriksays
[03:48] <Discipulus> secata, how did you figure that out anyway?
[03:48] <HappyFool> zEraCos: hrm. according to the install manual, which i do not entirely trust, a base install is 250MB
[03:48] <zEraCos> ok and gnome is?
[03:48] <Seveas> big :)
[03:48] <zEraCos> like 500mb?
[03:49] <Discipulus> lol
[03:49] <Seveas> no, i'd say 100-200 mb (depends on what you call 'gnome')
[03:49] <zEraCos> gnome on the ubuntu dis
[03:49] <secata> Learnt about pppconfig when I was running Stormix...ages ago.  Desktop had no dialer ;o)
[03:49] <zEraCos> c
[03:49] <HappyFool> secata: you with TelkomInternet?
[03:50] <Seveas> zEraCos, well, gnome depends on X and provides a core and a lot of applications...
[03:50] <Discipulus> secata, ah, gotcha, cool
[03:50] <zEraCos> Seveas: I just want the basic gnome with xorg and the login screen.. thats it
[03:50] <zEraCos> how much approx?
[03:50] <secata> World online...get's their backbone from Telkom...so does all ISP's...
[03:50] <HappyFool> secata: i tried this 'speed test' http://www.internetfrog.com/mypc/speedtest/  and got a measly 30 kb/s
[03:51] <HappyFool> yeah, fair enough, the final connection is telkom's, but i'm wondering if my modem settings are rubbish
[03:51] <jsimmons> mmmmm
[03:52] <jsimmons> ,,,,,
[03:52] <Peaker> To convert from Debian to Ubuntu, can I just dist-upgrade with a new sources.list?
[03:52] <secata> What did you set the port rate to?
[03:52] <jsimmons> is there a way to get a list of channels without the descriptiuon stuff?
[03:53] <HappyFool> secata: i didn't ;) i'm using the gnome config. i guess i could try pppconfig
[03:53] <z|bandito> is there a dyndns daemon package?
[03:53] <mauper> z|bandito: yep, several
[03:54] <neodium> can a windows partion in NTFS have other attributes than read only, i want to be able to read/write
[03:54] <z|bandito> what are they called?
[03:54] <bill_> I'm a total newbie to ubuntu and this irc.  Need some help on how to read and use network printer shared with Microsoft XP PC
[03:54] <secata> I have mine set-up to it's highest, and getting 4 kb/s on downloads, which is what I usually get on Win as well...trying that speed test you talked about...
[03:54] <HappyFool> yeah, i usually get 4kB/s too, so I'm a bit puzzled by the test
[03:55] <Peaker> is it safe to dist-upgrade from Debian unstable to ubuntu?
[03:55] <Sturmflut> hi, are there any known problems with Ubuntu i386 on an Asus A8V Mainboard (VIA K8T800 Chipset)? I have strange problems with udev and the onboard IDE-Controller on this machine, as soon as the udev init-script runs udevstart the first harddisk starts to emit a klickering noise, exactly 24 times, with about 1 second between the klicks. While this is happening the boot process is blocked so it takes about 2 minutes to get the system up and run
[03:55] <Sturmflut> ning. The harddisk is perfectly okay, it even happens if I swap it with another one and use other cables. I have no SeekComplete Error etc. messages in the kernel log and after udevstart is finished I can use the drive just like normal, with DMA activated etc.
[03:55] <jsimmons> mmmmmmm
[03:55] <mauper> z|bandito: ddclient, ez-ipupdate ...
[03:55] <z|bandito> any favorites? :)
[03:55] <Seveas> Sturmflut, very interesting....
[03:55] <jsimmons> xchat questions - how do i change the color of the text *I* type?
[03:55] <secata> Just keep in mind, that it's most prob your overall connection capability.  You are still limited to a small part of that due to bandwidth throttling on the ISP's side...
[03:56] <Seveas> Sturmflut, I suggest you file a bug report about that
[03:56] <z|bandito> ;]  ok ty
[03:56] <Seveas> jsimmons, settings -> advanced -> text events
[03:56] <HappyFool> secata: bandwidth throttling a dial-up connection? *sob*
[03:56] <Sturmflut> Seveas: Yes, I have three machines running Ubuntu i386 and this is the only one that shows this problem
[03:56] <Discipulus> If someone's on Debian, and they change their sources.list, and then do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:56] <Sturmflut> Seveas: okay
[03:56] <Discipulus> would it install Ubuntu on their computer?
[03:56] <eriksays> if i want to connect to my windows shared folders from ubuntu, do i have to have samba running?  can i just mount the drive?
[03:57] <secata> :o)...plus Telkom has never actually implemented any throttling and is said to start doing so...
[03:57] <Seveas> Discipulus, no
[03:57] <CarlFK> shorewall start - shoud it set cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward - it is still 0
[03:57] <Seveas> not if they run a recent sarge
[03:57] <Seveas> Discipulus, with apt-pinning (pin hoary to 1001) you might be able to
[03:57] <zEraCos> can I use the gnome login manger for fluxbox?
[03:57] <mauper> eriksays: you need the samba client (try smbmount)
[03:58] <Seveas> eriksays, places -> connect to server
[03:58] <secata> I wonder how long the big wigs is still going to talk about fixing Telkom's telecomunications minopaly and start doing something about it...*dang*
[03:58] <Peaker> Seveas: how do I apt-ping?
[03:58] <Seveas> apt-ping..?
[03:58] <lsuactiafner> zEraCos : yeh.. if you did apt-get install fluxbox it should show in gdm i believe
[03:58] <Peaker> Seveas: apt-pin that is :)
[03:58] <Seveas> ah :)
[03:58] <HappyFool> secata: sno seems to be coming together
[03:58] <Seveas> Peaker, search the wiki, it has a pinninghowto
[03:59] <secata> Hope it works out...
[03:59] <zEraCos> lsuactiafner: ok.. but if I dont have gnome installed in the system.. am I stil able to use differenft themes etc for the login manager?
[03:59] <z|bandito> aptitude and apt-get don't seem to see ddclient or ez-ipupdate
[03:59] <z|bandito> =\
[03:59] <secata> Aaaaalrighty then...eclipse is not an option.  Don't want to spend the next year downloading a 101 mb install...*YIKES*
[04:00] <Seveas> secata, vim :)
[04:00] <mauper> secata: but it is well worth it :)
[04:00] <Discipulus> secata, you're on dial-up?
[04:00] <Discipulus> secata, that's nothing, I downloaded 10mb at 899 b/s yesterday
[04:00] <secata> Yep
[04:00] <Discipulus> took me all freakin afternoon
[04:00] <secata> lol
[04:00] <Evans> hello
[04:01] <Seveas> hi
[04:01] <Discipulus> secata, thanks for the advice though, there's a BIG difference
[04:01] <Evans> my internet with Ubuntu still dont wor
[04:01] <Evans> :(
[04:01] <Discipulus> secata, like going from dial-up to broadband...except this is from broken dial-up to good dial-up
[04:01] <Discipulus> Evans, what's wrong with it
[04:01] <Discipulus> ???
[04:01] <secata> Just glad it helped :o)
[04:01] <Evans> i tryig to connect through a sagem 800
[04:01] <Evans> modem
[04:01] <Evans> from Tiscali
[04:02] <Evans> enterd the Number Pass Name etc...
[04:02] <Evans> and it says
[04:02] <Evans> failed
[04:02] <jsimmons> mmmmmmmmmm
[04:02] <Evans> :(
[04:02] <secata> I don't do enough internet time to warrent up-grading to Telkom's ADSL...
[04:02] <neodium> what do i use in etc/fstab to enable my NTFS windows partition to be written to instead of read only?
[04:02] <Discipulus> secata, I do warrent enough internet time to do a good upgrade to DSL, but my mom won't let me :'(
[04:03] <mauper> neodium: you cannot write to ntfs afaik
[04:03] <secata> Hehehe
[04:03] <jsimmons> mmmm
[04:03] <neodium> sigh :(
[04:03] <Evans> dose anyone recommednd anything for me
[04:03] <Evans> drivers
[04:03] <secata> Does she know the difference in costs?
[04:03] <Evans> ??
[04:03] <eriksays> evans, dialup or ?
[04:03] <Evans> ADSL
[04:04] <Evans> is mine
[04:04] <secata> Or does she just want you to cut down on internet time? ;o)
[04:04] <Evans> Discipulus: wat country u in?
[04:04] <Discipulus> USA
[04:04] <nalioth_zZzZz> neodium: you need windows NT, windows 2000 or windowx XP
[04:04] <Evans> Discipulus: i was gonna recommend Tiscali..
[04:04] <Discipulus> Tiscali?
[04:05] <Evans> yeah its in the UK though
[04:05] <Evans> www.tiscali.co.uk
[04:05] <Discipulus> oh
[04:05] <Evans> i use it
[04:05] <Discipulus> yea
[04:05] <Evans> 15.99
[04:05] <Discipulus> Are you serious? Damn
[04:05] <Discipulus> DSL is still 29.95 a month here
[04:05] <Discipulus> I reckon I can talk 'em down to 19.95 though
[04:05] <Evans> we got it cheao
[04:05] <Evans> its 2.2mbps
[04:05] <Discipulus> how'd you get it cheap?
[04:06] <Seveas> here it's 10 (256K) to 30 (2mbit)
[04:06] <Evans> the providers cheap
[04:06] <Evans> so then can anyone recommend me... what to do with ADSL
[04:06] <Seveas> And soon 20 for 20mbit :)
[04:06] <struggler> Hoary 2.6.10-5-686 using mkudffs on DVD+RW only formats to 2.2 GB instead of 4.x, anybody know why?
[04:07] <jsimmons> man this color thing is making me feel pretty stupid
[04:07] <secata> That's for sure...in S.A., it's still R200.00 for the provider, but with Telkom's exorbatant rates, it amounts to something like R 1900.99 a month...or sometwhere around there...
[04:07] <Seveas> struggler, maybe you need to specify 4.x exactly..?
[04:07] <Seveas> (i mean: mkudffs --size 4.x
[04:07] <Seveas> )
[04:08] <Seveas> R 1900.99 sounds like a lot, how much is that in US$ or ?
[04:08] <struggler> command line was mkudffs --media-type=dvd /dev/hdc , I thought it would be able to figure it out from the dvd switch
[04:08] <Seveas> struggler, there are several types of dvd-RW, 2.2 is just the safest option I guess
[04:09] <Seveas> So read the manpage :)
[04:09] <secata> Seveas, I think the exchange is something like R6.00 to the dollar...
[04:09] <HappyFool> Seveas: divide by 7 or so to get US$. about US$271
[04:09] <Seveas> :|
[04:09] <Seveas> that's an awful lot
[04:09] <secata> That's about $ 360.00
[04:10] <HappyFool> it isn't quite *that* much, though. cheapest ADSL sets you back around R800 a month i, think -- BUT that have a 2GB traffic limit (!)
[04:10] <secata> $ 316.00 even
[04:10] <Discipulus> damn
[04:10] <Discipulus> that's expensive
[04:10] <struggler> Seveas: there is no size  option listed on the manpage
[04:10] <Discipulus> how much you paying for dial-up?
[04:10] <HappyFool> yeah, monopolies are great
[04:10] <gorilla_> that's dear... >:-(
[04:10] <lsuactiafner> http://www.reservebank.co.za for exchange rate
[04:10] <secata> At least, I think our petrol is still lower than the US ;o)
[04:10] <HappyFool> my total bill comes to around R400 / month
[04:11] <lsuactiafner> i'm on a dailup, hate it
[04:11] <secata> My dial-up is around R 1000.00 per year...don't know what the Telkom rates are at this point...
[04:12] <lsuactiafner> if the government officials spent less time stealin money telkom wouldve been privatised by now
[04:12] <secata> My telephone bill averages around R 800.00 p/m, depending on how active I am
[04:12] <Discipulus> secata, how much does the average job pay?
[04:12] <HappyFool> it's not so much privatisation as much as the monopoly
[04:12] <secata> Lol...you got that right!
[04:12] <secata> Just glad their weeding out the rats for a change (Zuuma)
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> yeh
[04:13] <lsuactiafner> but thing is, rsa will become like any other african country, with a dictator and white ppl fleein for their lives/livelihood
[04:13] <secata> Obviously depends on the type of job...but I suppose you can say from R 4000.00 up to R 20 000.00
[04:13] <Discipulus> a month?
[04:13] <Discipulus> or week?
[04:14] <HappyFool> heh. month
[04:14] <lsuactiafner> month
[04:14] <Discipulus> oh
[04:14] <Discipulus> alright
[04:14] <HappyFool> and we have around 40% unemployment
[04:14] <secata> lsuactiafner, you are so right
[04:14] <secata> Discipulus, yep
[04:14] <secata> Per month
[04:14] <lsuactiafner> before tax tho
[04:14] <Discipulus> oh, that's a bitch
[04:14] <Discipulus> You guys live in Africa huh?
[04:14] <Seveas> Discipulus, look at their hostname :)
[04:14] <HappyFool> it's not that bad ;) i'm a little more optimistic of our future that lsuactiafner and secata
[04:15] <Discipulus> ah, alright
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> thing is, the government brags about inflation rates, but inflation and unenployment in this economy  is inversly related
[04:15] <secata> lsuactiafner, I feel that the wheel is posed to turn again...swinging from apartheid where blacks were disadvantage to where whites are and it will carry on like that untill they let go of tradition and hatred
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> inflation is 20% and unemployment is 20% is a very accurate statement in reality
[04:15] <lsuactiafner> and any black empowerment only benifits friends and family of government officials and the elite black community
[04:16] <Seveas> so it's still apartheid: white - elite black - common black
[04:16] <Seveas> ?
[04:16] <HappyFool> well, there is political freedom
[04:16] <lsuactiafner> secata : i was in a black school, the blacks are very racist, hatefull towards us and i suppose the whites still hate blacks..
[04:16] <secata> HappyFool,  suppose it ain't all that bad but things can always turn ugly very quickly...just as long as our future's not like Zim's ;o)
[04:16] <struggler> Seveas: there is no size  option listed on the manpage, any other ideas?
[04:17] <Seveas> struggler, maybe the udf revision..?
[04:17] <lsuactiafner> the future is like zim, so far no african governemtn didnt have famine, war and a dictator
[04:17] <Discipulus> struggler, read through the manpage for other options that might help
[04:17] <Seveas> (never dealt with UDF myself, common sense just told me: look for a size option)
[04:18] <lsuactiafner> i study economics, when i look @ rsa i dont think we meet the criteria for economic growth in the long-term
[04:18] <secata> Not to get racist my self, but I think the majority of blacks in our country is still nothing more than spoilt brats, thanks to apartheid.  They expect everything to be handed to them without doing a lick of work.  Unemployment not withstanding...
[04:18] <struggler> Discipulus: I did read the manpage and the only option I could find was the aforementioned  --media-type, hence the question
[04:18] <Whistler> os there any way to install free pascal via apt-get?
[04:18] <Whistler> is there any way to install free pascal via apt-get?
[04:18] <lsuactiafner> secata : thats hurtfull and sounds bad, but its true
[04:19] <Evans> back...
[04:19] <lsuactiafner> look @ winnie mandela, damn rich but still refuses to pay for electricity since the previous government gave it for free
[04:19] <Seveas> hmm...
[04:19] <secata> lol, yea...
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> the culture is, i'm black, whites owe me (and they can argue that indeed its the case) but such an atitude doesnt work in a modern economy
[04:20] <Whistler> is there any way to install free pascal via apt-get?
[04:20] <HappyFool> Whistler: try 'apt-cache search pascal' ?
[04:20] <nalioth> Whistler: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:20] <Seveas> Not really, it's just the opposite of what was going on during apartheid I guess ("I'm white, the blacks are subordinate and owe me")
[04:20] <secata> They talk about unity, but they still distinguish between race...doesn't work that way...
[04:20] <AndyR> billy boy is at live8
[04:20] <lsuactiafner> makin white poorer is harmfull to the economy, since the white ppl with education invest+save, money should be created and evenly distributed, not taken away and distributed
[04:20] <struggler> Seveas: Using version 2 of the udf spec, thanks for trying to help.
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> look @ how the government ignore the white farmers, they import maize ect so that white farmers go bankrupt.
[04:21] <nalioth> howdy, reka
[04:21] <lsuactiafner> in the end they are stealin land for land reform.. in the end we wont have food like zim
[04:22] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, That sounds to me like throwing away mone...
[04:22] <reka> lo nalioth
[04:22] <jsimmons> i would prefer that we don't talk politics here
[04:22] <nalioth> Seveas: us government pays farmers to NOT grow crops
[04:22] <Seveas> nalioth, LOL, really..?
[04:22] <Discipulus> Seveas, you didn't know that?
[04:22] <Seveas> Discipulus, /me is not american :)
[04:23] <secata> I would say, that if there is a chance, it will most prob come in, when the current "previously disadvantaged" with little to no education, get's cycled out with the young generation who is getting at least some education, but even that is problamatic
[04:23] <Seveas> But I am continuously stunned by the syipidity of american governments :)
[04:23] <Discipulus> Seveas, there's been so much growing and fertilization on the land that it hurts the land to keep growing, so in order to preserve the land and be able to grow better crops on it they pay the farmers to NOT grow crops
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> jsimmons : we are south-african, we are white and oppressed, so let us speak lol
[04:23] <secata> Sorry jsimmons ...
[04:23] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: speak for yourself. i don't feel oppressed at all
[04:23] <secata> The convo just kinda grew on it's own ;o)
[04:23] <lsuactiafner> i do.
[04:24] <Seveas> secata, and conversations like this are OK if it's not too busy IMHO
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> when i wrote matric i was afrikaans in an english school, all my black peers got 5% extra since they werent schooled in their native tongue but i didnt..
[04:24] <Seveas> it's not a violent argument, but a respectful discussion
[04:24] <secata> No prob ;o)
[04:24] <lsuactiafner> thats racism
[04:24] <jsimmons> I just think this isn't the place (political and religious discussions usually turn into flamefests, and we get enough of that on other channels, right?)  :)
[04:24] <CarlFK> apt-get remove shorewall && apt-get install shorewall - the install detected the previous install.  how do I totaly remove it?
[04:24] <Prottie> --purge
[04:25] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:25] <Seveas> jsimmons, if people start flaming, there is an easy way to restore that :)
[04:25] <lsuactiafner> my dad is more qualified than most ppl will ever dream of, he has 20yrs of financial related studies, he was head of westerm cape absa but it took him 3yrs to get a job that pays 1/16 of what he should get
[04:25] <jsimmons> yeah, i know, but i was just thinkig it would be best not to put people in that position
[04:25] <secata> Kinda tends to clog up the ban file on the server tho ;o)
[04:25] <Seveas> jsimmons, ACK
[04:25] <jsimmons> :)
[04:26] <Seveas> secata, well, I regularly weed through it :)
[04:26] <CarlFK> Prottie - E: Command line option 'p' [from -purge]  is not known.
[04:26] <lsuactiafner> he works harder than most ppl do, but becuase he is white he is refused jobs. does that make any sense?
[04:26] <Seveas> a few days ago it was impossible to ban people (list full) :)
[04:26] <neodium> can anyone direct me to where i can get codecs to support mp3's in ubuntu and documentation for a nub on how to install :)
[04:26] <Seveas> CarlFK, --purge
[04:26] <Seveas> not -purge
[04:26] <HappyFool> neodium: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:26] <CarlFK> oh lookie that...
[04:26] <CarlFK> thanks
[04:27] <rebell> Evans: Sagem fast 800 or sth?
[04:27] <nalioths_dog> NeoCicak: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[04:27] <secata> I only graduated from high school and have no specific certification other than a VB-Course Diploma...so I don't complain too much about getting a job even though I have 6 yrs programming exp
[04:27] <Seveas> secata, VB..?
[04:27] <Seveas> you ought to be banned for that :p
[04:28] <Evans> rebell
[04:28] <Evans> yes
[04:28] <mauper> VB is no programming language ;)
[04:28] <secata> Visual Basic...
[04:28] <Evans> sagem fast 800
[04:28] <secata> lol @ mauper
[04:28] <Seveas> secata, I know what it is, I even touched it once, but it's so incredibly ugly :)
[04:28] <secata> I discovered that when I started writing Delphi, C, C++ etc...
[04:28] <rebell> Evans: apt-get install eagle-usb-data eagle-usb-utils eagle-usb-modules-source
[04:29] <secata> It's nothing more than one HUGE com object ;o)
[04:29] <Seveas> :)
[04:29] <mauper> but even I have to admit that c# has some nice syntactic sugar ...
[04:29] <nalioth> such vulgar language....tsk (lol)(
[04:29] <lsuactiafner> i'm studyin accounting+informatics bcom and leaving with siter+family in 2yrs for NZ to start a new life.. lol
[04:29] <secata> lol
[04:29] <lsuactiafner> whats the market for ppl who can program in java?
[04:29] <lsuactiafner> market demand for
[04:30] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, quite good here in NL, dunno about other countries
[04:30] <secata> I would say around 40% ?  Judging from the newspaper...
[04:30] <nalioth> know theres plenty of coders who are fueled with java
[04:31] <Discipulus> what about python?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : i was under the impression you are south-african?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> Netherlands Kaarsemaker?
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> hmmm
[04:31] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: Seveas is a bot (lol)
[04:31] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, not really, i'm Dutch (Netherlands indeed)
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[04:31] <secata> I'm still stuck in low gear about Java...was taught about it when it was nothing more than a watered down version of c++...so trying to see it's true potential...
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> oh yeh forgot
[04:31] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : !shush
[04:31] <CarlFK> will forwarding happen if /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 0?
[04:32] <Seveas> secata, it's still a watered down version of C++ :)
[04:32] <gorilla_> HappyFool, to narrow the problem down, I commented out glx and nvidia logo is shown but no go on opengl.
[04:32] <Seveas> CarlFK, no
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> CarlFK : nope
[04:32] <Seveas>  /kick lsuactiafner !shush
[04:32] <CarlFK> so how do I make it 1?
[04:32] <Seveas> :p
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[04:32] <Seveas> echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[04:32] <HappyFool> gorilla_: yeah, i think the glx module is what makes opengl acceleration work
[04:32] <lsuactiafner> gorilla_ : get the latest nvidia driver for glx support
[04:32] <secata> I know Seveas ;o) only now a days it's used way more...and quite powerfull
[04:33] <Discipulus> Seveas is a bot?
[04:33] <mauper> comparing c++ with java is blasphemy! ;)
[04:33] <Seveas> secata, 1.5 (Java 5) introduces so much incompatible changes once more :)
[04:33] <lsuactiafner> 7667 is latest, the prior release had broken glx on ubuntu
[04:33] <mauper> Seveas: huh ?
[04:33] <lsuactiafner> Discipulus : nod.. ai..
[04:33] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, what programming language?
[04:33] <Seveas> Discipulus, I am a self-learning AI, running on a 12-cell FPGA cluster. Created by nalioth
[04:33] <CarlFK> Seveas - why did that work and not  # echo 1> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward  ?
[04:33] <gorilla_> lsuactiafner, from ubuntu or nvidia.com ??
[04:34] <Seveas> mauper, suddenly enum is a keyword :)
[04:34] <lsuactiafner> i think he is perl
[04:34] <HappyFool> CarlFK: put a space between the 1 and the >
[04:34] <Discipulus> lsuactiafner, who has the source? I'd be interested in seeing it
[04:34] <Seveas> lsuactiafner, yack!
[04:34] <lsuactiafner> from nvidia.com not sure about ubuntu since i dont use ubuntu nvidia packages or kernel
[04:34] <HappyFool> 1> is magic in bash, iirc
[04:34] <Seveas> perl is evil
[04:34] <Discipulus> Seveas, where is your source ode?
[04:34] <CarlFK> oh yeah!  @#$@!!!
[04:34] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : not open-source
[04:34] <Seveas> CarlFK, only root can write to it :)
[04:34] <nalioth> plus the machine running irssi is directly cabled into the internet
[04:34] <mauper> Seveas: hmmm ... ;) Enumeration enum ... seems to be quite common ;)
[04:34] <nalioth> wow how enlightnening
[04:34] <Discipulus> Seveas, are you open source?
[04:34] <Seveas> mauper, even apache axis uses it :)
[04:35] <Seveas> Discipulus, yes
[04:35] <Discipulus> Seveas, where's your source code?
[04:35] <gorilla_> lsuactiafner, should I remove the ubuntu driver then??
[04:35] <jsimmons> x-chat - I think I figured out how to change my message text color (Settings | Advanced | Text Events | Your Message), but it doesn't stick. What am I doing wrong?  I tried clicking SDave and Ok., but it's just not happening.
[04:35] <Seveas> Discipulus, you can get it by typing telinit 0 in a terminal
[04:35] <Seveas> (do NOT do that, just kidding :))
[04:35] <Discipulus> lol
[04:35] <gorilla_> Seveas, you meant telinit 6 :-)
[04:35] <lsuactiafner> gorilla_ : ppl will hate me for sayin this but in my experience you are screwed once you installed the ubuntu apt-get nvidia drivers
[04:35] <CarlFK> Seveas - you missed the # prompt - the only reson to be on the box is to admin it, so I think the root vs sudo thing is .. um... my call ;)
[04:36] <Seveas> :)
[04:36] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[04:36] <Seveas> CarlFK, but indeed the 1> is magic in bash
[04:36] <Seveas> use "1" >
[04:36] <Seveas> echo "1" > /proc/blah...
[04:36] <CarlFK> yeah, I "knew" that even
[04:36] <reka> jsimmons: afaik, that just gives you the corresponding colour number you can then edit via preferences.
[04:36] <lsuactiafner> echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[04:36] <lsuactiafner> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_conntrack_max=8192
[04:37] <Discipulus> Seveas, where's your source code?
[04:37] <CarlFK> if you had asked how to redirecte stderr or whatever, I would have remembered the 2> thing, but wasn't thinking about that
[04:37] <reka> jsimmons: e.g. %C19 means you change colour number 19
[04:37] <Seveas> Discipulus, you will have to search google for that :)
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> &> redirs stdout and stderr
[04:37] <lsuactiafner> CarlFK : can i paste soemthing to you in priv?
[04:37] <Discipulus> bah
[04:37] <CarlFK> sure
[04:38] <jsimmons> that's a stupid design implementation if that's true
[04:39] <rem_> .
[04:40] <Seveas> ,
[04:40] <reka> morse code day?
[04:40] <rem_> ;
[04:40] <gabriel> hola
[04:40] <secata> Stupid question ;o)  What would be the implecations of switching from GNome to KDE?
[04:40] <Seveas> hola gabriel
[04:41] <Seveas> secata, selling your soul to the devil...
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> secata: you would need to be .. somewhat crazy
[04:41] <Peaker> kde is nice ;)
[04:41] <secata> .. . . .. . . . ..
[04:41] <jsimmons> ahhhhhhh - reka, when you change the parameter string, pressing enter puts the changes in... :)
[04:41] <mauper> secata: say bye bye to your cycles ;)
[04:41] <Peaker> I tried gnome here and there along the years, and I can't get past its awful default look :)
[04:41] <gabriel> i speak spanish
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> secata: it's completely different
[04:41] <secata> lol
[04:41] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: I don't know if you've noticed but gnome looks have changed over time :)
[04:41] <Seveas> gabriel, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[04:42] <gabriel> soy espaol
[04:42] <Seveas> Peaker, odd, I have the same with KDE :)
[04:42] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: perhaps, but kde's default look always looked much better :)  And I don't like messing around with themes too much
[04:42] <Peaker> also, kde's dcop mechanism is really nice :)
[04:42] <Seveas> Peaker, are you crazy?
[04:42] <gabriel> good bay
[04:42] <Seveas> DCOP is utter crap...
[04:42] <Peaker> secata: Why? Its really easy to script kde apps with it
[04:42] <HrdwrBoB> the problem with KDE is it's essentially a bunch of good hackers working on good programs
[04:43] <jsimmons> I've been a programmer for 27 years - I'm going to go out and buy a book about GTK - how hard could it be?  :)
[04:43] <Peaker> Seveas: That was meant to you
[04:43] <HrdwrBoB> GNOME is a bunch of good hackers workign TOGETHER on a SYSTEM
[04:43] <Seveas> DCOP is the worst implementation of distributed computing ever
[04:43] <gorilla_> heh :-) I got it... glxgears is telling me 10,195fps.. (No need to tell me that glxgears is not a benchmark; true but it is a good indication). Thanks all that pointed me in the right general direction.
[04:43] <Whistler> is there any software to monitor cpu temperature?
[04:43] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: KDE is a system, moreso than Gnome I'd say :)
[04:43] <secata> Hmmm...I wonder if I shouldn't rather just do a Bochs linux version and see if I have any probs with it ;o)
[04:43] <reka> jsimmons: dunno.  do you have a car?  do you have money to buy the book? :P
[04:43] <gorilla_> oops sorry abouty line length.
[04:44] <Seveas> Peaker, if you are interested I can send you a detailed article about why DCOP sucks :)
[04:44] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: KIOSlaves/KParts/KUILib are most of what you see and use in KDE, apps just glue them together
[04:44] <Peaker> Seveas: sure
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[04:44] <secata> Peaker...not really interested in kde apps ;o)
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> but in terms of policy, direction, etc etc
[04:44] <Peaker> Seveas: I already know its good, from a user's perspective. Maybe it can name some implementation details
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> the KDE base libraries are good
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> but eh
[04:44] <mauper> kde is so ... bloated ... ;)
[04:45] <Prottie> gnome too
[04:45] <prostic> Whats the command for installing x.org with apt_
[04:45] <Seveas> mauper, that's..... an understatement
[04:45] <pfp> secata: http://bulbasaur.ton.tut.fi/echramath/misc/desktop_enviroments/ .)
[04:45] <mauper> ;)
[04:45] <Prottie> sawfish + aterm \o/
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> prostic: it's already installed
[04:45] <Seveas> prostic, aptitude install x-window-system
[04:45] <eriksays> suggestions for video editing software?
[04:45] <prostic> no I choose the server
[04:45] <prostic> minimal install
[04:45] <jode> Hi, does anyone know of a good music player for ubuntu?
[04:45] <Seveas> jode, mplayer
[04:45] <Peaker> Seveas: in about 10 secs, I used dcop to: "dcop kicker Panel addBrowserButton /", and have a nice browser on my panel, very cute :)
[04:45] <reka> jode: beep-media-player
[04:45] <gorilla_> prostic, already install but it would be apt-get
[04:45] <Seveas> (or vlc, totem, beep-media-player)
[04:46] <secata> ta pfp
[04:46] <Whistler> is there any software to monitor cpu temperature?
[04:46] <prostic> hmm
[04:46] <mauper> eriksays: yes, do it under w*n - sad but true
[04:46] <Peaker> mauper, Seveas: In what way is KDE "Bloated"?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: sensors
[04:46] <Seveas> Peaker, too bad that the DCOP design is just an excellent example of bad design
[04:46] <prostic> apt-get install 'what??'
[04:46] <Seveas> Peaker, featuritis extremus
[04:46] <pfp> prostic: apt-get install xserver-xorg (if you want just the server)
[04:46] <Peaker> Seveas: Bad design doesn't work well, dcop works very well
[04:46] <Seveas> prostic, aptitude install x-window-system
[04:46] <mauper> Peaker: it does the same as gnome, but steals more resources ...
[04:46] <jode> ok, thanks
[04:46] <prostic> I want to the xorg to run with fluxbox man
[04:46] <Seveas> Peaker, bad design can work, DCOP only works because Qt has serialization of everythinf
[04:47] <Peaker> mauper: It does much nicer than gnome at least from all my attempts to use Gnome, and takes a reasonable amount of resources.. I use old hardware and ahve no problem
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, but don't even THINK about interoperability with non-KDE
[04:47] <Discipulus> Where can I read up on Bot AI?
[04:47] <mauper> Peaker: nicer ? what ? The colors ? ;)
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, and that is the biggest problem with KDE, they don't care about interoperability with others
[04:47] <Peaker> Seveas: Lowest-common-denominator is a bad idealogy of software design
[04:47] <secata> pfp, if that's true...KDE it is then ;o)
[04:47] <lsuactiafner> Whistler : lm_sensors
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, i don't mean that...
[04:47] <Seveas> Peaker, look at D-BUS for instance (or even MCOP)
[04:48] <Peaker> Seveas: Sacrificing power in order to be compatible with line-based old apps or slow corba ipc, is dumb
[04:48] <Seveas> Peaker, again, i'm not talking about that...
[04:48] <InitMass> why is ubuntu using sudo and what's the advantage over an ordinary root account?
[04:48] <mauper> Peaker: corba is still out in the wild ... sigh ...
[04:48] <Peaker> Seveas: How can you control the Gnome panel from scripts or the cmd line?
[04:48] <cas> hi, I want to access my Windows shares with Ubuntu but I've no luck so far. I did followed the wiki SettingUpSamba but the windows configuration won't show up in my network settings
[04:48] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: why would you need to
[04:48] <Seveas> Peaker, that is just featuritis...
[04:48] <reka> InitMass: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:48] <cas> any ideas what i might have done wrong?
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> the whole point of GNOME is to work and allow people to get on with it
[04:49] <lsuactiafner> cas : mount -t smbfs //ip/share_name /mnt/mount_point
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> the biggest flaw
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> I think currently is that the desktop is not home.
[04:49] <prostic> dammit
[04:49] <prostic> can anyone help me_
[04:49] <paines> hi
[04:49] <prostic> I choose the server mehtod to install ubuntu
[04:49] <Seveas> prostic, I told you TWICE....
[04:49] <paines> is there a faq for breezy ?
[04:49] <lsuactiafner> prostic : what?
[04:49] <prostic> now I want to install xorg using aptget
[04:49] <HrdwrBoB> since changing nautilus desktop to be my home dir I've had much better success with nautlius and myu files
[04:49] <Seveas> paines, no, but there is an answer: do NOT use it :)
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> prostic: just apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:50] <cas> lsuactiafner: i don't gat any error but it wont work either
 prostic, aptitude install x-window-system
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> or x-window-system
[04:50] <prostic> no I said apt-get
[04:50] <prostic> not aptitude
[04:50] <HappyFool> *rolls eyes*
[04:50] <Seveas> prostic, same difference
[04:50] <Seveas> aptitude is better though...
[04:50] <prostic> my question concernes apt-get though
[04:50] <cas> lsuactiafner: do i _need_ a username and password even if i didn't have one on my windows machine?
[04:50] <Seveas> prostic, get some clue...
[04:50] <prostic> apt-get install 'what??'
[04:51] <HappyFool> sudo apt-get install x-window-system
[04:51] <Discipulus> prostic, you've already been told
[04:51] <Discipulus> or ubuntu-desktop
[04:51] <Seveas> prostic, x-window-system, you;ve been told that 5 times now..
[04:51] <prostic> happyfool: that installed xfree86
[04:51] <lsuactiafner> cas :nope
[04:51] <Seveas> prostic, then install hoary...
[04:51] <HappyFool> prostic: then you're running warty, not hoary
[04:51] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB, Seveas: In KDE you are able to script the behaviour of every component on the system. This lets you control and configure multiple desktops from one place easily, it lets you use and communicate with existing gui apps in your applications, etc. etc
[04:51] <prostic> well obviously I am
[04:51] <Seveas> Peaker, that's the featuritis extremus I talked about :)
[04:51] <cas> lsuactiafner: it just times out :(
[04:52] <prostic> so what should I type instead
[04:52] <Seveas> Peaker, on gnome you don't need it, gnome works without twiddling :)
[04:52] <Peaker> Seveas: "Featuritis" is better than "Weakitis" :)
[04:52] <HappyFool> prostic: i don't think you can get xorg with warty
[04:52] <Seveas> Peaker, no
[04:52] <mauper> kopete and amarok are nice though ...
[04:52] <Peaker> Seveas: If you twist the definition of "works" hard enough
[04:52] <Seveas> featuritis equals weakness
[04:52] <prostic> happyfool: ok
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> Peaker: and in GNOME, stuff Just Works. Better.
[04:52] <Peaker> HrdwrBoB: hmm.. I beg to differ :) I find KDE apps are of much higher quality most of the time
[04:52] <Seveas> lol
[04:52] <Peaker> "just working" much more often
[04:52] <Seveas> if you twist the definition of quality enough
[04:53] <reka> Peaker: just don't run them under gnome.
[04:53] <paines> Seveas, well. I just installed it
[04:53] <paines> hrhr
[04:54] <Seveas> paines, from Colony cd 2?
[04:54] <Discipulus> Peaker, if you like KDE so much, then I'd go with Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu
[04:54] <paines> Seveas, yes
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> gnome i know do things in a very old way.. kde keeps things more up to date
[04:54] <Peaker> Discipulus: I'd think I could apt-get install kde in any worthy distribution, no?
[04:54] <Seveas> paines, just out of curiosity: everyting works..?
[04:54] <lsuactiafner> so use blackbox, hasnt been updated in years and it still works lol
[04:54] <inc595> fluxbox is faster :)
[04:54] <paines> Seveas, except nvidia drivers, yes
[04:54] <CarlFK> eriksays - lives.sf.net
[04:54] <Discipulus> Peaker, you could
[04:54] <Seveas> because on the mailing list only reports of brokenness are posted :)
[04:54] <Seveas> paines, great :)
[04:54] <prostic> inc595: you use fluxbox?
[04:54] <inc595> well not faster then blackbox
[04:55] <paines> Seveas, weired
[04:55] <inc595> prostic, ya
[04:55] <prostic> inc595: possible to add superkaramba?
[04:55] <inc595> prostic, never heard of it
[04:55] <lsuactiafner> is fluxbox really faster?
[04:55] <Seveas> Peaker, indeed, in any worthy distribution you can use apt-get, but that's another discussion ;)
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> or you can download source and compile it yourself and it will work *cough*
[04:56] <lsuactiafner> but ubuntu build-deps seems very nice
[04:56] <cas> lsuactiafner: it's lightweight so it's faster in startup and use but your apps aint faster
[04:56] <inc595> lsuactiafner, ya it is.. doesn't have to load all that over heard
[04:57] <cyphase_> Hey everyone - My Take On The News - Volume 1, Issue 2 - http://cyphase.homelinux.com/
[04:57] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Stoopid question - if an apt-get breaks, can you back out the upgrade gracefully?
[04:57] <cyphase_> it works!
[04:57] <lsuactiafner> then blackbox and flux should be the same
[04:57] <inc595> there is a how-to on how to get flux working with ubuntu.. then you can have both
[04:58] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, what do you mean, downgrading a single package..?
[04:58] <inc595> flux is just the prettier version of blackbox.. if you a very stripped down wm then blackbox is it
[04:58] <secata> Time for me to jet.  Nice chatting to you all.  Catch ya later
[04:58] <Seveas> cya secata
[04:58] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Seveas, I've used RPM in the past, and sometimes, the devs have missed dependencies, and an upgrade gets 1/2 way
[04:59] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Leaving you with a broken system, and you can't back out the patch
[04:59] <mauper> must ... try ... fluxbox ... now ... arg ... %-)
[04:59] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Wondering if debian have a better setup than redhat?
[04:59] <lsuactiafner> bleh havin trouble readin, bbl.
[04:59] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the actual upgrade will not start until all dependencies are downloaded (and the repositories do not miss dependencies). Welcome to a world without RPM hell :)
[05:00] <Tsar_vonHumbug> Seveas, "(and the repositories do not miss dependencies)" - trifle optimistic methinks ;)
[05:00] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, no
[05:00] <HappyFool> i think yum does much the same. it also does a 'test' install before actually install rpm's
[05:00] <Seveas> packages cannot get in the ubuntu repositories if there is a missing dependency
[05:00] <HappyFool> installing, even
[05:00] <inc595> yumm.. eww
[05:01] <inc595> whats with all the redhat talk lol
[05:01] <Seveas> inc595, Tsar_vonHumbug is about to see the light, please give it some time :)))
[05:01] <Tsar_vonHumbug> is that just the debian/ubuntu repositories - or all deb depositories? eg the backports site?
[05:01] <HappyFool> yeah, yum is not great. but it's much better than nothing.
[05:02] <inc595> replace it with apt
[05:02] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the main ubuntu/debian repositories follow that rule, the ubuntu backports depend on packages from the official repositories only
[05:02] <mauper> flux is so damn UGLY ! ;)
[05:02] <kvidell> mauper: so, fix it! :-P
[05:02] <inc595> flux is what you make of it.. never said it was easy
[05:02] <kvidell> config files are abundant and very customizable.
[05:03] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the main repositories use build daemons that ensure that a package only gets into the repositories if all dependencies are there
[05:03] <Tsar_vonHumbug> so from what you're saying Seveas, the deb packager has automatic checks for dependencies when the package gets built?
[05:03] <Peaker> it could be nice if all apps started using xml/yaml config files so generic GUI's to edit them could exist
[05:03] <inc595> mauper, you will need to make your menu system as well... does port straight from gnome
[05:03] <mauper> no, thnx, no flux for me, my time is too precious ;)
[05:03] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, the package building servers have these checks, the package installer will not commence an install before all dependencies are installed
[05:03] <jsimmons> i saw someone mention that they turned off anti-aliasing for fonts under a certain size - how does one do that?
[05:04] <Peaker> Tsar_vonHumbug: It is of no interest to the package user because the deb package maintainer is responsible for placing all the deps in the package, and all packages are downloaded from a central repository of trusted maintainers
[05:04] <Tsar_vonHumbug> ah, sweet! guess I should catch up on my reading...
[05:04] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, are you using Ubuntu already?
[05:04] <Peaker> Tsar_vonHumbug: and the dependencies are auto-downloaded/installed by apt
[05:05] <Tsar_vonHumbug> yup, this is off Hoary on my lappie :)
[05:05] <cas> hmmz, the resolving of windows pc's is going fine, but They all timeout if i try to access them or list there services. Any idea what could be wrong with samba?
[05:05] <osity> i partitioned a drive as one big partition and now when ubuntu boots it says special drive sda not found ...any ideas?
[05:05] <Seveas> Tsar_vonHumbug, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#repo scan through a few of these documents to see some details