[00:05] <bryceh> reinstall?
[00:08] <RAOF> I plan to.
[00:08] <RAOF> But possibly on a hard drive with a lower rate of bad sector growth.
[00:09] <Sarvatt> RAOF: e6420? :)
[00:11] <bryceh> heya Sarvatt - ideas on the brightness failing to reset after resume bugs?  I checked gnome-power-manager but not finding obvious signs that it was a regression.  You got any ideas?  Kernel?
[00:13] <Sarvatt> i have no idea, was bugging kamal about those last week. its either kernel or userspace and definitely not x-x-v-intel at any rate
[00:13] <bryceh> yeah trying to figure out a more sensible home for them
[00:14] <bryceh> probably some ACPI wonkiness
[00:15] <achiang> bryceh: sorry for sticking my nose in here, but might that be related to also not saving the brightness level between reboots?
[00:17] <bryceh> achiang, it could well be (which might implicate gnome-settings-daemon)
[00:17] <bryceh> achiang, however something like that I'd expect we'd see a LOT more bug reports than this even
[00:17] <achiang> bryceh: i've had such a bug on my back burner for several months (although it was for ARM, not x86)
[00:17] <achiang> s/was/is/
[00:18] <achiang> bryceh: i don't think that's been working since lucid (in the reboot case)
[00:18] <achiang> in fact, on my x86 laptop, it's not working in oneiric afaict
[00:22] <bryceh> interesting.  I know I've seen similar things on my laptops in the past, but don't think they're affected currently
[00:23] <bryceh> although, a few of those laptops are still on natty so maybe the bug still lies in wait for me?  ;-)
[00:23] <achiang> i could try and reboot now
[00:23] <achiang> give me a sec
[00:24] <achiang> on AC power, intel gfx, just used my keyboard hotkeys to set to dimmest setting
[00:24] <achiang> time to reboot
[00:25] <achiang> ... and i'm back
[00:25] <achiang> and brightness is back to max
[00:26] <bryceh> hrm
[00:26] <achiang> come to think of it, my cursory investigation was that after a reboot, we go back to whatever the default setting is, via g-s-d
[00:27] <bryceh> so yeah, seems something in userspace (g-s-d probably?) is not remembering things properly
[00:27] <bryceh> achiang, thanks; I'll bump these bugs there and hopefully someone more knowledgeable can take them where they need to go
[00:27] <achiang> does userspace know if a hotkey has been pressed?
[00:27] <bryceh> yes, it gets bubbled up via acpi
[00:27] <achiang> i was thinking if it gets eaten by firmware then userspace would never know about it
[00:28] <bryceh> hmm, that's possible
[00:28] <achiang> bryceh: what are the bug #? i'd like to subscribe
[00:39] <RAOF> Sarvatt: No; x200s :(
[00:39] <bryceh> achiang, bugs<PHONE_NUMBER>49<PHONE_NUMBER>91
[00:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876711 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Screen brightness resets to minimized when screen turns off" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876711
[00:40] <achiang> bryceh: thanks
[00:58] <cyphermox> RAOF: I already have a fair amount of the korean IME and stuff installed, so I can test the font for you as well (though my understanding of korean is *very* limited)
[00:58] <RAOF> cyphermox: Thanks.
[00:59] <RAOF> That'll drop one of the longer-standing sponsorship items off the queue.
[00:59] <cyphermox> won't some changes to fontconfig or whatever be needed to have it select that font by default
[01:00] <RAOF> Next, to prod until plymouth upstream is happy with the logging patch :)
[01:00] <RAOF> cyphermox: Yes, there will be; those changes are all waiting to be sponsored.
[01:00] <cyphermox> e.g. normally my font is Ubuntu, but the korean character should be falling through to another font or something
[01:00] <cyphermox> oh ok
[01:01] <RAOF> There's fontconfig, language-selector, and ubuntu-seeds changes ready and waiting.
[01:06] <cyphermox> RAOF: ok, I manually patched font-config, it should mostly take care of it
[01:10]  * cyphermox reboots
[01:29] <cyphermox> RAOF: well, my IME fails in quassel, but I can otherwise not immediately notice issues
[01:30] <RAOF> And the fonts look good/better?
[01:31]  * RAOF heads off to an appointment.
[01:32] <cyphermox> looks okay, I don't use it enough day to day to say it looks better, just no glaring issues
[04:06] <pitti> Good morning
[04:07] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:07] <RAOF> Hey pitti
[04:10]  * pitti waves Australiawards, hey guys!
[04:57] <micahg> RAOF: can you join #ubuntu-bugs for a minute?
[05:48] <RAOF> Build starts in 19 hours?  My, we're hammering the build farm :)
[06:05] <micahg> RAOF: what type of build?
[06:05] <RAOF> PPA build.
[06:06] <micahg> ah, yeah, some of the builders are off doing other things
[07:41] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:45] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[07:45] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[09:23] <Sweetshark> pitti: Have a minute for discussing SRUing for Libreoffice?
[09:24] <pitti> Sweetshark: sure
[09:26] <Sweetshark> pitti: i thought #842566 is just a dupe of #732412, but we still/again have the workaround for that in the latest package so this is not the issue (and I assume it to be NOTOURBUG for LO because bamf has to take care of that).
[09:26] <pitti> bug 842566
[09:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 842566 in unity "Libreoffice and unity integration broken." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842566
[09:26] <pitti> bug 732412
[09:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732412 in unity-2d "LibreOffice Writer has no icon in Unity and is labeled "LibreOffice Small Device Format Importer"" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732412
[09:27] <pitti> understood so far
[09:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: I thought seb128 asked you to remove the workaround for precise, for a proper fix
[09:28] <pitti> but that's not "SRU"
[09:28] <Sweetshark> bug 873702 disappeared after rebuilding LO-l10n with all the changes in LO (yay for split l10n), so that is an easy fix. However, 3.4.4 has been freezed as first rc today, so maybe it would be better to release 3.4.4 as an SRU.
[09:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873702 in libreoffice "some function names in Calc appear in english others in local language (mixed up) " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873702
[09:29] <Sweetshark> a lot of the changes in 3.4.4 are by me and thus patched in our packages already anyway.
[09:30] <pitti> Sweetshark: so the question is whether or not to SRU 3.4.4?
[09:32] <Sweetshark> right. And 843566 is not an Libreoffice issue but jasoncwarner_ found it important so I will make a comment wrt to that on the bug, I guess.
[09:33] <ogra_> hmm, do we have any mail check app that doesnt require to run a full mail proggy but still works with the indicator (indicator-biff or some such) ?
[09:33] <pitti> Sweetshark: the previous SRU went quite fine, so if 3.4.4 is again just a couple of fixes, sounds fine
[09:33] <pitti> ogra_: not in main AFAIK
[09:33] <ogra_> pitti, well, my netbook doesnt care for main :)
[09:34] <pitti> ogra_: OOI, why do you need a mail check app? I think "always" should be 99% correct for you?
[09:34]  * ogra_ sees gm-notify but that seems to be gmail only
[09:34] <pitti> save yourself some work interruptions, don't use mail notifications
[09:34] <pitti> (that's for everyone, not just ogra)
[09:35] <ogra_> pitti, sylpheed is the only usable mail app on my arm netbook, all others force it to its knees, sylpheed doesnt a) have any indicator integration and b) i would like to not have it permanently running
[09:35] <pitti> ogra_: all others except mutt, of course :) (SCNR)
[09:36] <ogra_> so something like a mailbox check applet that hooks into the indicator would be needed here
[09:36] <pitti> ogra_: but anyway, perhaps you can include biff status into your $PS1?
[09:36] <ogra_> pitti, well, i have considered mutt, but somehow i like the GUI :)
[09:36] <pitti> ogra_: yeah, I was mostly j/k there
[09:36] <pitti> but I'm actually quite serious about not using mail notification in the first place
[09:36] <ogra_> well, i would like to use mutt, but dont want to learn it right before traveling :)
[09:37] <Sweetshark> ogra_: but mutt is the _Canonical_ mail client!
[09:37] <ogra_> pitti, well, if i dont use the notification it means i need to run the app all the time
[09:37] <pitti> ogra_: why?
[09:37] <ogra_> pitti, to see if there is new mail ?
[09:38] <ogra_> since i have no notification :)
[09:38] <pitti> ogra_: so if you open it once every three hours or so (morning, lunch, afternoon), that shoudl be fine?
[09:38] <pitti> email != chat
[09:38] <ogra_> sure ... but that means i have to actively care :)
[09:38] <ogra_> i want my system to take care and tell me if its needed to open the app
[09:38] <pitti> try not to check mail every 5 seconds, and be surprised about the productivity gain
[09:38] <ogra_> more efficient :)
[09:39] <Sweetshark> ogra_: I dont need a notification (and actually I am not polling imap anymore). If two minutes have passed since the last mailcheck, I _know_ I have new mail anyway.
[09:39] <pitti> ogra_: heh, so far I was violently arguing against providing email notifications by default
[09:39] <ogra_> pitti, my app chacks every 5 mins and pops up a notify-send if i actually have relevant mail
[09:39] <pitti> ogra_: but anyway, e-d-s should provide this, no?
[09:39] <pitti> ogra_: or is that only evolution itself?
[09:39] <ogra_> hmm, i didnt think about using e-d-s with sylpheed
[09:40] <ogra_> might work, but will likely require to at least set up evo once
[09:40] <ogra_> for the account
[09:41]  * ogra_ only has 512M ram here i have to be very selective what i pick to run permanently
[09:41]  * pitti puts up another "email is not a synchronous medium" banner
[09:41] <pitti> ogra_: yes, even e-d-s shoudl be quite heavy there, so that's probably not appropriate
[09:41] <ogra_> well, i only want to know if its worth to waste the time/resources for starting the app
[09:41] <pitti> ogra_: you could use offlineimap and integrate biff into $PS1 ?
[09:42] <ogra_> and given i cant get rid of the indicator easily, i can as well use it
[09:42]  * ogra_ wishes there was just a script api for it
[09:43] <ogra_> i.e. notify-send  -to indicator-message "you have blah new mails"
[09:44] <Sweetshark> ogra_: like zenity --notification -text="foo" ?
[09:44] <ogra_> Sweetshark, yeah, but hooked into the indicator we force the user to use
[09:45] <ogra_> Sweetshark, i use already a notify-send in sypleed if new mail arrives
[09:45] <ogra_> i just would like to not have the mail app in the bg all the time
[09:46] <pitti> ogra_: perhaps d-bus send to com.canonical.indicator.messages? com.canonical.dbusmenu.Event() sounds promising
[09:46] <ogra_> hmm, i will look into that
[09:47] <ogra_> a wrapper around offlineimap or some such would probably do
[09:48] <ogra_> still i think having a script api for indicator stuff would be a good idea
[09:48] <ogra_> 8a zenity extension, or notify-send addon)
[09:49] <pitti> if the dbus interface works, then it's rather easy to script it
[09:49] <ogra_> for me, yes :)
[09:49] <ogra_> or for you
[09:49] <ogra_> i just think offering it in the known tools might be more comfortable
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> wtf @ bug 881813???
[09:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881813 in thunderbird "Mozilla Thunderbird Crashes suddenly on opening" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/881813
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> desrt, any idea how we can get in to that situation? ("GLib-GObject-WARNING **: cannot register existing type `GCancellable'")?
[10:01] <Laney> we ♥ bugs
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> got it
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> having a local glib install in /usr/local does it
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> b'ah
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> i bet that's because ctypes doesn't honour the ld search paths
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> so we end up with 2 copies of glib mapped
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> that's always going to end in tears
[10:09] <chrisccoulson> m_conley_away, ^^^ ;)
[10:20] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm, it just uses dlopen, so i'm not sure why it loads the wrong one
[10:26] <chrisccoulson> and it doesn't specify an absolute path :/
[10:26] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, are you there?
[10:29] <didrocks> good morning
[10:30] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks
[10:38] <smspillaz> (it's early ....)
[10:44] <didrocks> smspillaz: less then yesterday and less than the day before :)
[10:45] <pitti> hey didrocks
[10:45] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[10:48] <pitti> didrocks: not bad, not bad; doing 5 times at once right now, trying to unwind the stack a bit
[10:48] <pitti> s/times/things/
[10:49] <pitti> (correct spelling is not amongst these 5 things apparently)
[10:49] <didrocks> :-)
[10:49] <didrocks> good luck, hoping that you can still find some quiet time and don't have to rush too much
[10:49] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[10:50] <GunnarHj> Hello pitti
[10:50] <GunnarHj> pitti: Did you see my attempt to ping you yesterday?
[10:50] <pitti> probably got lost, sorry
[10:51] <GunnarHj> pitti: No problem, here it goes again. :)
[10:51] <GunnarHj> pitti: Thanks for the upload of the a-s branch at bug 868346 to oneiric-proposed. Seems like the powerpc binaries won't be built until tonight.
[10:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 868346 in lightdm "Language selector broken in Ubuntu" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868346
[10:51] <GunnarHj> Robert has commented on the lightdm MP, and he asks for your second opinion. I have responded with a branch update and a comment.
[10:51] <pitti> ah, I did see that; the MP comment is in my mail, need to get to that
[10:52] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, just wanted to make sure it's on your todo list. ;-)
[11:14] <glatzor> pitti, servus, you are already in the US?
[11:16] <pitti> glatzor: no, not yet; flying on Saturday
[11:17]  * pitti lunch, bbl
[11:18] <glatzor> pitti, enjoy yourself
[12:37]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:54] <seif> rodrigo_, lunch ?
[12:55] <seif> rnt u at uds?
[12:58] <dobey> seif: uds is next week
[13:47] <desrt> chrisccoulson: never seen that before.
[13:47] <desrt> chrisccoulson: i assume it's because two people are trying to use the same name for an object
[13:47] <chrisccoulson> desrt, it's because gio is being loaded from 2 different locations somehow
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> i managed to recreate it here by installing a local copy in /usr/local/lib
[13:48] <desrt> niiice
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> but i didn't figure out why it happened yet, and now it stopped happening :(
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> but we do dlopen a bunch of libs using ctypes
[14:03] <rodrigo_> seif, yeah, not in orlando yet
[14:21] <jincreator> pitti: Thanks for lots of merging. And I have a question about language-selector's fontconfig hack. Is it temporarily way and planning to remove?
[14:42] <pitti> jincreator: I'm not so sure about that one; fontconfig is still a mystery to me, and I didn't write that stuff
[14:42] <pitti> jincreator: I surely hoped that we wouldn't need to make that mess even worse with the new font, especially if the package already comes with its own fontconfig
[14:53] <jincreator> pitti: Well, I think font package with fontconfig is wrong way. And for now, it can override some fontconfig by itself.
[15:00] <jincreator> pitti: Anyway I write new comment few minutes ago.
[15:29] <cyphermox> jbicha: might be interested in this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/881660
[15:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881660 in network-manager "wired cannot be disconnected using Shell network applet" [Medium,In progress]
[15:43] <seb128> hey
[15:44] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[15:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: any update on bug 848198? It's a PITA that my desktop breaks when update-manager installs updates...
[15:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 848198 in gconf "Sporadic gconf error messages" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848198
[15:46] <seb128> hey rodrigo_ mdeslaur
[15:46] <mdeslaur> seb128: good morning btw :)
[15:46] <Laney> that is fixed in 3.2.1
[15:47] <Laney> which does not appear to be released yet
[15:49] <mdeslaur> we'll push 3.2.1 to oneiric once it comes out?
[15:49] <Laney> hope so
[15:50] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll be patient a little while longer :)
[15:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, what Laney said
[15:59] <pitti> jincreator: so what can the fontconfig snippet in language-selector do what the fontconfig snippet in the font package can't do?
[15:59] <mdeslaur> seb128: thanks
[15:59] <pitti> need to run out, time for sport
[15:59] <seb128> hey pitti
[15:59] <seb128> pitti, thanks for the guest session fix
[15:59] <seb128> pitti, enjoy sport!
[16:02] <Laney> it's a killer for banshee too
[16:02] <Laney> one of the killers ;-)
[16:03] <desrt> ronoc: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662779
[16:03] <desrt> seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662779
[16:03] <ubot2> Gnome bug 662779 in gvariant "systemtap probes for gvariant" [Enhancement,New]
[16:03] <ronoc> desrt, perfect, good work !
[16:04] <seb128> desrt, thanks
[16:04] <desrt> seb128: tia.
[16:05] <seb128> Laney, do you know what is the status of the gtk3 bindings and the gtk3 banshee version?
[16:07] <Laney> i heard that it runs but some widgets aren't right yet
[16:19] <dobey> seb128: time to switch back to rhythmbox ;)
[16:19] <seb128> time to try to find a good media player?
[16:20] <dobey> i'd write one, but alas
[16:21] <Laney> oh look, banshee was mentioned, someone summon the trolls
[16:22] <dobey> Laney: if you think that's trolling, you ain't seen nothin' yet
[16:22] <Laney> :(
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, troll aside seems like quite some users have stability issues with the Oneiric version
[16:22] <seb128> not that rhythmbox is any better
[16:23] <Laney> possibly, but a lot of the problems have been external factors that manifest themselves in banshee
[16:23]  * dobey has a proposed upload that fixes some of them
[16:24] <dobey> i haven't really used rbox 3.x yet; my workstation is still on 11.04
[16:24] <Laney> ye beauty
[16:24] <seb128> Laney, gstreamer?
[16:25] <seb128> Laney, i.e where should we put efforts if we want to improve things?
[16:25] <Laney> gconf & libu1 are the main two that I am aware of
[16:26] <Laney> porting is probably the main work that they could do with help on
[16:27] <seb128> is there any gsettings mono binding?
[16:27] <seb128> do you know what's the status of getting GTK3 mono bindings in debian or ubuntu?
[16:27] <Laney> i am not aware of one
[16:27] <seb128> which I guess would help on testing the gtk3 version
[16:28] <Laney> when bindings are done there will be no problem in packaging them
[16:29] <Laney> a gir parser for mono would help a lot. some people started working on that but i didn't see anything ready yet
[16:30] <dobey> mterry: hrmm. seems like the files rest api is redirecting when the oauth signed request doesn't validate. probably the cause for that one bug about the 302
[16:30] <dobey> i think there is some basic working GI support for mono now, but it's not well tested
[16:33] <jincreator> pitti: Sorry, I can't understand what you are asking about. These 2 snippet can do anything what fontconfig file can do because they are fontconfig snippet. But if there's 2 snippet with different setting value, one will override another and it will be problem. Anyway enjoy your sports first!
[16:33] <seb128> seems like that will not land for the LTS
[16:33] <seb128> seems risky to land untested bindings and get banshee ported to it in one cycle
[16:37] <dobey> seif: indeed.
[16:37] <seif> dobey, r u flirting with me
[16:37] <achiang> chrisccoulson: ping, have you ever heard of a bug in firefox 7 where text in the google search bar is invisible if instant search is turned on?
[16:39] <dobey> seif: bah, seb quit right as i hit tab it seems
[16:41] <Laney> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=648121
[16:41] <ubot2> Gnome bug 648121 in general "Port to gtk3" [Enhancement,New]
[16:41] <Laney> "help is welcome" :-)
[16:46] <mterry> dobey, hmm..  do you have any ideas why the oauth signed request would stop validating?  (like in the middle of a backup)
[16:49] <dobey> mterry: the token wasn't valid. no idea why. maybe user removed it from the u1 web site or something. and i'm not sure that is logged, if so. :-/
[16:49] <mterry> dobey, hrm
[17:44] <dobey> mterry: btw, i fixed up the libubuntuone branch for oneiric-proposed. :)
[17:45] <mterry> dobey, ok, I'll look again.  Is there a way to test that fix in isolation?  i.e. without the banshee fix?
[17:47] <dobey> mterry: not exactly. you can test it with current banshee, and it should happen faster, but it won't be as fast as it will with both pieces
[17:48] <mterry> dobey, ok, well, I'll test and at least make sure I don't see regressions in time
[17:49] <dobey> yeah, it's hard to test, because banshee can sometimes also be slow to start up, itself. and if you've already got banshee running, it should be pretty much instant anyway
[18:14] <m4n1sh> jbicha: I hope this one is fine https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/totem/enable-zg-dp-building/+merge/80492
[18:48] <jbicha> m4n1sh: you need to make the same changes to debian/control.in that you do to debian/control
[19:10] <dobey> mterry: also fixed up https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/precise/avahi/bring-back-gir/+merge/80103
[19:10] <dobey> mterry: i'm not sure what to do about the crazy banshee race condition though
[19:10] <mterry> dobey, looking at avahi
[20:29] <m4n1sh> jbicha: done
[20:33] <cyphermox> tkamppeter: I wonder if we really need a blueprint for printer modeswitching? AFAIK it's already in progress upstream
[20:55] <tkamppeter> cyphermox, OK. Can you please give me links to upstream, to bug reports on LP, ...
[20:56] <cyphermox> tkamppeter: upstream is there: www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
[20:56] <cyphermox> bugs are afaik usually reported either in LP or on their forum
[21:13] <maya> seb128: coucou
[21:13] <seb128> maya, :-P
[23:09] <broder> man, it would be nice if i could xtrace a process that's already running
[23:09] <RAOF> Yeah, no dice there.
[23:10] <broder> seems like you'd only need some minor modifications to xlib to support it
[23:10] <Sarvatt> broder: what protocols are you trying to trace?
[23:10] <broder> Sarvatt: core, at this particular moment
[23:10] <RAOF> Assuming, of course, that the application uses xlib :)
[23:10] <broder> RAOF: i'm willing to require that
[23:10] <Sarvatt> broder: git clone git://sarvatt.com/xtruss
[23:10] <Sarvatt> checkout working branch if you want a little dri2
[23:11] <RAOF> You could also, without terrible trouble, do some gdb scripting to attach to the X server and print out the protocol requests/replies for an arbitrary client.
[23:11] <Sarvatt>   usage: xtruss [options] command [command arguments]       trace a new program
[23:11] <Sarvatt>      or: xtruss [options] -p <resource id>     trace an X client by resource id
[23:11] <Sarvatt>      or: xtruss [options] -p -         trace an X client selected interactively
[23:11] <Sarvatt>      or: xtruss [options] -P           just run a logging proxy server
[23:12] <Sarvatt> :)
[23:12] <broder> oooh
[23:12] <broder> Sarvatt wins :-D
[23:12] <Sarvatt> output is a lot more readable than xtrace too, but its missing lots of protocol
[23:12] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Funky!  How does that do its thing?
[23:14] <broder> looks like xrecord?
[23:16] <broder> yeah, comment at the top of uxxtruss.c says xrecord for attaching to running processes
[23:16] <Sarvatt> argh, yeah xrecord
[23:17] <broder> i think i need to put xrecord on my list of cool x things to learn more about
[23:17] <Sarvatt> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/xtruss/ is the page for it, i just have it mirrored in git because i was adding dri2 to it at one point
[23:18] <broder> maybe i'll try to package that up this weekend
[23:18] <Sarvatt> and cgit rocks, http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/xtruss/ http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/xtruss-old/
[23:19] <Sarvatt> broder: its a dead though
[23:19] <Sarvatt> hasn't been any updates to it since 2009
[23:19] <broder> aww
[23:19] <RAOF> Not if you're adding DRI2 to it.
[23:19] <RAOF> :P
[23:21] <broder> kind of disturbed/impressed that it doesn't use xlib
[23:22] <RAOF> Or xcb, presumably?L
[23:23] <broder> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/720206/
[23:23] <Sarvatt> its a hacked up putty :)
[23:23] <Sarvatt> awwh shoot
[23:24]  * Sarvatt disappears again
[23:24] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/xtruss-old/commit/?id=c033766fb553a3182e51d09fb7d0922cdecfde02 btw
[23:26] <Sarvatt> ahh its very unreadable with current X, lots of unknownrequest spam. i haven't used it in about 1.5 years
[23:30] <broder> and this is why we have grep
[23:30] <broder> i find xtrace's formatting a bit more legible, but that might just be stockholm syndrome
[23:31] <RAOF> A GUI for an xtrace/xtruss-alike would actually be pretty compelling.
[23:31] <Sarvatt> oh I know why,  thats a limitation of using -p - and picking it with the mouse instead of launching the app with xtruss, it doesn't know what the extensions are
[23:33] <broder> hmph. it'd be nice if it looked up atoms from ChangeProperty and such
[23:36] <broder> i wonder how hard it would be to use XRECORD as an input source for wireshark...


[00:04] <nullack> It also occurs under the nv driver
[00:42] <asac> nullack: ok
[00:42] <fta> Jazzva, do you see that too ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=909641
[00:42] <asac> nullack: try to downgrade nspluginwrapper
[00:42] <asac> to the hardy version
[00:42] <fta> Jazzva, (i do)
[00:43] <asac> nullack: and sudo apt-get install --reinstall nspluginwrapper
[00:43] <nullack> asac: will test and report result
[00:43] <nullack> asac: before or after downgrade?
[00:43] <asac> nullack: sorry ... last line should reed:
[00:43] <asac> flashplugin-nonfree
[00:43] <asac> ;)
[00:43] <nullack> asac right
[00:43] <asac> after downgrading nspluginwrapper
[00:43] <asac> :)
[00:44] <asac> fta: x86?
[00:44] <asac> fta: goes away by downgrading nspluginwrapper?
[00:44] <asac> (and reinstalling flashplugin)
[00:46] <fta> i don't have nspluginwrapper
[00:46] <asac> fta: could you please try it?
[00:46] <asac> and see how much worse it is ;)
[00:46] <fta> on my laptop (amd64) i have it (obviously), it's sucking far too much cpu
[00:47] <asac> fta: yeah. still i would be interested in x86 experiences ;)
[01:00] <Jazzva> fta, yep... from time to time
[01:01] <Jazzva> I thought it was related to nspluginwrapper, but someone reported that it happens without nspluginwrapper too
[01:02] <fta> i see it a lot in prism (xul 1.9), not that much in ff3.1
[01:02] <Jazzva> maybe it's related to fx?
[01:02] <Jazzva> I have 3.0.1
[01:03] <Jazzva> fta, bug 250769
[01:04] <asac> ok so dropping windowless support fixes nspluginwrapper quite well here
[01:04] <Jazzva> That's what I'm also seeing, beside flickering, and the rest
[01:04] <asac> good to know that there is at least that option if w dont find why its so damn slow
[01:04] <Jazzva> so damn slow? npw/
[01:04] <Jazzva> ?
[01:05] <asac> Jazzva: flashplugin ;)
[01:05] <asac> nonfree
[01:05] <fta> Jazzva, i'm not seeing this with flash,, i do see a window quickly appear when i close a tab containing an embedded totem
[01:05] <asac> its slow as hell here with nspluginwrapper 1.1.0 ;)
[01:06] <Jazzva> well, the video is working here nicely with 1.1.0...
[01:06] <Jazzva> though, only when I watch directly on youtube :)
[01:06] <asac> http://wetter.rtl.de/ ?
[01:06] <asac> the card on the left should animate when you hover the mouse
[01:06] <asac> err map not card ;)
[01:07] <fta> it does here.
[01:07] <Jazzva> same here... a bit slower, but not painfully slow
[01:07] <fta> it's fine, fluid
[01:07] <asac> fta: do you have nspluginwrapper?
[01:07] <Jazzva> (though I'm still on celeron 1.7)
[01:07] <asac> Jazzva: which driver?
[01:07] <fta> no, i'll try but not tonight
[01:07] <Jazzva> hmm... let me see :)
[01:08] <asac> for nspluginwrapper with windowless + ati driver kills it
[01:08] <asac> on amd64
[01:09] <fta> it puts my cpu to the roof
[01:09] <Jazzva> I think it's open-source driver for ati... forgot it's name
[01:09] <asac> Jazzva: radeonhd?
[01:09] <asac> i had that before ... now i have ati as someone said that 3d works there
[01:09] <Jazzva> umm... that doesn't sound familiar :)
[01:09] <asac> Jazzva: then its just "ati" most likely
[01:10] <asac> like what i have
[01:10] <nullack> Could I get some help on downgrading the package please. Ive edited my preferences:
[01:10] <nullack> nullack@PPP:/etc/apt$ cat preferences
[01:10] <nullack> Package: nspluginwrapper
[01:10] <nullack> Pin: version <IP_ADDRESS>*
[01:10] <nullack> Pin-Priority: 1001
[01:11] <nullack> And added deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted universe multiverse to sources.list
[01:11] <asac> nullack: just download the deb from launchpad
[01:11] <asac> and then
[01:12] <asac> sudo dpkg -i nsplugin*.deb
[01:12] <asac> ;)
[01:12] <nullack> Ok, so we dont pin and fiddle with preferences
[01:12] <asac> i wouldnt do that
[01:12] <nullack> roger
[01:12] <asac> its just for tesing ;)
[01:12] <asac> testing
[01:22] <nullack> asac Im pleased to report that fixes it
[01:22] <nullack> nullack@PPP:~/Desktop$ apt-cache policy nspluginwrapper
[01:22] <nullack> nspluginwrapper:
[01:22] <nullack>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2
[01:22] <nullack>   Candidate: 1.1.0-0ubuntu2
[01:22] <nullack>   Version table:
[01:22] <nullack>      1.1.0-0ubuntu2 0
[01:22] <nullack>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/multiverse Packages
[01:22] <nullack>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2 0
[01:22] <nullack>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:23] <asac> nullack: so what are your exact symptoms?
[01:23] <nullack> On the intrepid revision the symptoms are
[01:23] <nullack> 1. When browsing flash sites such as tv.com the browser starts reading the page
[01:23] <nullack> 2. It will then vanish
[01:24] <nullack> 3. Sometimes I get a segfault message into the sys log but its rare
[01:24] <asac> stop ;)
[01:24] <asac> what vanishes? the browser?
[01:24] <nullack> Yes, FF
[01:24] <nullack> If I restart FF, FF knows it crashed and presents the restore or start new session GUI
[01:24] <asac> ok. that sounds like you had 1.1.0-0ubuntu1 installed when you installed flashplugin-nonfree
[01:25] <asac> did you try to --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree when you saw those issues?
[01:25] <nullack> Yes, I said that on your configuration it works :)
[01:25] <asac> huh?
[01:25] <nullack> Downgrading to hardys version of the wrapper and reinstalling the non free flash works
[01:26] <asac> nullack: yes. thats not the question
[01:26] <nullack> The Intrepid revision of the wrapper does not work
[01:26] <asac> please upgrade to latest intrepid nspluginwrapper
[01:26] <asac> then --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[01:26] <nullack> right doing that now
[01:26] <asac> ok
[01:26] <asac> i fixed most painful cases in ubuntu2 ... so when you didnt --reinstall on that version you might still see the issues from ubuntu1 ... which actually had exactly your symptoms
[01:27] <asac> at least when it always crashes for you
[01:29] <nullack> Ok, youve hit the root cause there asac :) People who have been testing Intrepid for sometime did not get the reinstall of flash and ended up with an invalid config which is probably why Brian couldnt replicate
[01:29] <asac> true
[01:29] <nullack> I no longer have the always crash
[01:29] <asac> ok good
[01:29] <nullack> But, the new bug of flickeing flash is pretty bad :)
[01:30] <asac> well. actually i didnt trigger the --reinstall yet because i wanted to sort out issues like ubuntu1
[01:30] <asac> unfortunately this kind of slow feedback has some colleteral damage ;)
[01:30] <asac> nullack: but that also appears to happen without nspluginwrapper on x86
[01:30] <asac> so its a flash or driver issue
[01:31] <nullack> Im happy to work closely with you for quicker feedback - its sometimes hard to go from a bug report to knowing who to talk too, and not to feel like Im pestering the devs with my bugs
[01:31] <asac> nullack: please comment on the bug so others can recover their stale ;)
[01:31] <nullack> I can do another test usng the NV driver on te flickering thing
[01:32] <nullack> commenting now
[01:32] <asac> thx
[01:33] <asac> nullack: how bad is performance for you now?
[01:35] <nullack> Its higher than what it was. Im on an AMD Sempron single core, scrolling is the worse on sites like tv.com, conky shows 85-95% utilisation while scrolling
[01:36] <nullack> Sitting at the top of tv.com Im floating around 50% with no scrolling
[01:37] <asac> nullack: which process is taking the cycles?
[01:37] <asac> the firefox or the npviewer process?
[01:37] <nullack> Xorg takes the most, then npviewer
[01:38] <asac> nullack: whats the ratio?
[01:38] <asac> like 2:1 or more like 10:1 ?
[01:43] <nullack> One sec I will u/l a file showing my conky which is pretty descriptive
[01:45] <nullack> npviewbin just crashed, sending apport
[01:47] <nullack> asac : http://www.fileqube.com/shared/dGrpZBSMn93509
[01:47] <nullack> asac : its a png showing my conky so you can see details
[01:48] <nullack> You can view it fullsize or download
[01:51] <nullack> asac: In the cpu utilisation history you can see the graph at around 50% which was the time I was sitting at the top of the tv.com page not scrolling
[01:51] <asac> nullack: as long as firefox doesnt crash its most likely just flash crashing
[01:51] <nullack> asac: Then you can see in the cpu graph where its maxing out/close to it where Im scrolling
[01:52] <nullack> The conky shows cpu top and mem top for you
[01:54] <asac> ok i think i made nspluginwrapper fast enough here to see the flickering ;)
[01:57] <asac> but i think that hack added more instability to it
[01:57] <asac> then it helped ;)
[01:57] <nullack> :)
[02:04] <nullack> asac : I can confirm the flickering on tv.com is there for both the NV and NVIDIA drivers
[02:04] <nullack> Im going back to nvidia, gdm restarting
[02:12] <nullack> asac : Im raising a bug on the flickering - is the correct package for it the flash plugin or the wrapper?
[02:14] <asac> nullack: it happens with nspluginwrapper too (according to fta)
[02:14] <asac> nullack: but we cannot really fix flash plugin bugs
[02:14] <asac> so no real need to file bug on that package
[02:14] <nullack> I could setup an upstream bugwatch
[02:15] <nullack> Ok Ill take it uo stream
[02:15] <asac> yeah
[02:15] <nullack> *up
[02:15] <asac> if you can really link a launchpad bug to an adobe ticket then go for it
[02:15] <nullack> Ok Ill create one upstream and bugwtach it here in LP
[07:13] <gnomefreak> im here if needed im just working on some scripts (3) for addressbook
[07:37]  * gnomefreak loves the new log out dialog but it would be great if it worked
[11:07] <gnomefreak> asac: you mean sound in flash?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> that problem?
[11:09] <gnomefreak> blacklist snd_pcsp causes no sound if you comment it out you get system sound but no speaker sound
[11:10]  * gnomefreak waiting for g/f to get out of shower
[11:10] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... i mean general flash issues if you are running nspluginwrapper
[11:10] <gnomefreak> oh im not running nspluginwrapper since its not "needed" on 32bit
[11:10] <gnomefreak> i can test it when i get home
[11:11] <gnomefreak> if i get out of here sometime this year
[14:39] <asac> Jazzva: fta: ok topic one of today will be "packaging a new ubufox release" ;)
[14:40] <asac> then i try to be innovative ... maybe writing a webbrowser with xulrunner ;)
[14:40] <Jazzva> asac, ouch... I forgot about that :(
[14:40] <Jazzva> When is it?
[14:40] <asac> 19 UTC
[14:40] <Jazzva> I won't make it... I'm presenting my project at 18:15 UTC
[14:40] <asac> sure ... maybe lurk ;)
[14:41] <asac> good luck ;)
[14:41] <Jazzva> Well, if I can stay at comp. center at school... I should finish by 19UTC
[14:41] <Jazzva> asac, thanks, I'm gonna need it. I'm scared of bugs that I didn't notice, and there is a probability there are some...
[14:41] <Jazzva> :)
[14:42] <asac> Jazzva: in class presentation nobody has problems with things not working ;)
[14:42] <asac> at least thats my experience
[14:42] <asac> what matters is that the talk absorbs them ;)
[14:42] <asac> crashing prototypes can even be good to get some fun into it ;)
[14:42] <Jazzva> Not a class presentation... I'm presenting it to teacher's assistant, and then I get points on it... usually it's either 0, or 20... nothing in between
[14:42] <Jazzva> :)
[14:43] <asac> ok. i wouldnt be too scared;)
[14:43] <asac> though a little tension is good to get high-performance ;)
[14:43] <Jazzva> Anyway... sorry for not mentioning this earlier... I was busy working on it, so I forgot about everything else
[14:43] <Jazzva> little? heh :)
[14:44] <Jazzva> good luck with the presentation... I'll try to come if I can :)
[14:44] <Jazzva> at least to lurk :)
[14:44] <asac> Jazzva: then join #ubuntu-classroom now ;)
[14:44] <Jazzva> now?
[14:44] <asac> Jazzva: well. otherwise you will forget and cannot look ;)
[14:44] <Jazzva> Isn't it at 19:00 utc?
[14:44] <asac> at least that would happen to me ;)
[14:45] <Jazzva> I won't be at home ... I'll be at school :)
[14:45] <asac> ah. thought you have your IRC running at home
[14:45] <Jazzva> most of the time, yes... :)
[14:45] <Jazzva> ah... I can read backlog then :)... easier than looking at logs on the net
[14:46] <Jazzva> off to finish writing the documentation for this project :)
[14:46] <Jazzva> have fun :)
[15:11] <fta2> asac, sorry, i'm not much into this those days, I'm having a hard time at work (heavy load). I hope i could clear this up in a week or so
[15:12] <asac> fta2: that was just for your interest anyway ;)
[15:12] <asac> not like a request for help :)
[15:14] <fta2> asac, i don't want to give the impression that i'm no longer interested, I am, i'm just able to contribute less than usual but it is temporary
[15:14] <asac> fta2: thats all fine. you are doing a lot of work
[15:14] <asac> even when you dont have time ;)
[15:15] <asac> lets hope its temporary ;)
[15:17] <fta2> i take on my night hours, maybe too much, my body reminds me it needs more sleep :P
[15:17] <fta2> meeting in 15 min; i need to move. cu++
[16:10] <bdmurray> asac: somebody talked to you aboug bug 262693 yesterday right?
[16:11] <bdmurray> I was wondering if it was a duplicate of something or if we can close some other tasks on it
[16:42] <asac> bdmurray: looking
[16:44] <asac> bdmurray: adjusted stati properly
[16:45] <bdmurray> stati - heh
[16:45] <bdmurray> asac: thanks
[16:45] <asac> bdmurray: i changed my mail filters
[16:45] <asac> i wont see anything i am not subscribed to atm
[16:45] <asac> i will also include triaged and in progress in that mailbox
[16:46] <asac> but i want to ramp up step by step instead of busting my mailbox making even that approach void
[16:46] <asac> bdmurray: so to summon me just subscribe me to bugs
[16:46] <asac> this will make me appear quite instantly
[16:46] <bdmurray> asac: okay, thanks for letting me know
[16:47] <asac> oh ... assigned bugs i will see too ;)
[16:47] <bdmurray> By the way do you know of any tools to validate /etc/network/interface files?
[16:47] <asac> bdmurray: syntactically?
[16:47] <bdmurray> Yes
[16:47] <asac> bdmurray: what use case?
[16:47] <asac> otherwise ifupdown should complain i guess ;)
[16:48] <asac> we have a parser in network-manager which could be used to make a verifier out of it
[16:48] <bdmurray> To check the files attached to bug reports
[16:48] <bdmurray> Alberto wrote one for xorg.conf and I've hooked it up to python-launchpad-bugs
[16:48] <asac> bdmurray: i think the most frequent problems are not syntax problems, but semantical problems
[16:48] <asac> which are really hard to detect
[16:50] <bdmurray> Okay, I was trying to think of other files attached to bug reports that might benefit from a similar process
[16:51] <bdmurray> asac: I could query the database for all the 'interfaces' files so we could get an idea of how many have syntactic errors though
[17:16] <asac> bdmurray: ill think about it
[21:33] <kaaloo1> asac: ok here I am, would you like to give me some pointers now ?  That way I can work a bit on something this we
[21:34] <kaaloo1> asac: The DistributedDevelopment project is so ambitious, its pretty mind blowing
[21:36] <asac> kaaloo1: agreed
[21:36] <asac> ill be off in a few. but to give you the pointers lets look at ... hmm ... gnash :)
[21:37] <asac> kaaloo1: the gnash full-source ubuntu tree is: lp:~gnash/gnash/ubuntu/
[21:37] <asac> most likely the other plugins wont have a bzr tree.
[21:37] <kaaloo1> asac: it doesn't work for me, I installed the gnash plugin but I don't see it
[21:37] <asac> but the changes are similar
[21:37] <asac> kaaloo1: true
[21:37] <asac> thats what we need to change ;)
[21:37] <kaaloo1> asac: :)
[21:37] <asac> kaaloo1: you probably have flashplugin-nonfree installed?
[21:38] <kaaloo1> asac: ok sounds cool then, yes I do
[21:38] <asac> kaaloo1: so the old way how plugins were managed is by using alternatives
[21:38] <asac> have you heard of update-alternatives?
[21:38] <kaaloo1> asac: yes, I've used it to switch java implementations
[21:39] <asac> ok basically alternatives are links created by the admin user that are system wide
[21:39] <asac> for instance:
[21:39] <asac> all flah plugins use:
[21:39] <asac> /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[21:39] <asac> look add ls -l /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so
[21:40] <asac> it points to /etc/alternatives/xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[21:40] <asac> so the alternative name is "xulrunner-addons-flashplugin"
[21:40] <asac> so in the old model when you wanted to use gnash instead of adobe you would do:
[21:40] <asac> sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin
[21:40] <kaaloo1> asac: right
[21:41] <asac> the new model wants to eliminate that alternative
[21:41] <asac> well. actually for some reasons we want to keep it, but we want to install all plugins also in firefox-addons/plugins
[21:41] <kaaloo1> asac: wow there are a bunch of bad links in my /etc/alternatives
[21:41] <asac> why not xulrunner-addons? because there are applications that use xulrunner that dont have ubufox
[21:42] <asac> and thus we want to keep the option to switch the plugin through alternatives
[21:42] <asac> let me check something ;)
[21:42] <asac> kaaloo1: did you branch the gnash branch?
[21:43] <kaaloo1> asac: not yet, give me a sec
[21:44] <kaaloo1> asac:ok
[21:44] <kaaloo1> asac:oh wow not much in there ok, sounds like what we did for ubufox
[21:45] <kaaloo1> asac: I see a post install script that calls update-alternatives for the different browsers
[21:46] <asac> kaaloo1: right.
[21:46] <asac> kaaloo1: so what we want (afaict) is to keep that
[21:46] <asac> as it is
[21:46] <asac> on top we want to add a link
[21:46] <kaaloo1> asac: ok
[21:47] <asac> the link should point to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:47] <asac> kaaloo1: so for gnash ... create a mozilla-plugin-gnash.links file
[21:47] <asac> (look at klash.links)
[21:48] <asac> kaaloo1: oh
[21:48] <asac> if there is no changelog entry with UNRELEASED in debian/changelog
[21:48] <kaaloo1> asac:ok, didn't know it could be done that way
[21:48] <asac> it means that the tree is "closed"
[21:48] <asac> so as a first commit open it up
[21:48] <asac> like:
[21:48] <asac> dch -i -DUNRELEASED
[21:48] <kaaloo1> asac:closed because of a feature freeze ?
[21:48] <asac> and then commit with "* open tree for packaging" or something
[21:49] <asac> kaaloo1: no ... because when the topmost changelog has "intrepid" or "hardy"
[21:49] <asac> that means that the commit you are looking at is a commit that was uploaded
[21:49] <asac> so good practice is to create the changelog entry like above
[21:49] <asac> to open the tree
[21:49] <kaaloo1> asac:ok but I dos see an UNRELEASED as the first changelog entry
[21:49] <asac> (close doesnt really mean: closed until someone approves it to be opened)
[21:49] <asac> kaaloo1: which version is taht?
[21:50] <asac> kaaloo1: yeah right.
[21:50] <asac> then the tree is open
[21:50] <asac> and you can just add your changes to the changelog
[21:50] <asac> kaaloo1: usually you mark your changelog entries with:
[21:50] <kaaloo1> ok I'll try it
[21:50] <asac> [ you name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>]
[21:50] <asac> e.g.
[21:51] <asac> [ you name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>]
[21:51] <asac>   * change 1
[21:51] <asac>   * change 2
[21:51] <asac> kaaloo1: and remember to use debcommit ... which does magic things in case you close a bug in changelog
[21:51] <asac> (which you probably dont do right here ;))
[21:51] <asac> but anyway :)
[21:53] <kaaloo1> asac: right, I followed the packaging course on you tube, and I did some work on the groovy package, I learned about LP: and Closes:
[21:53] <kaaloo1> asac: Thanks a lot !!  I will do that then and push it on lp so you can review it
[21:55] <asac> kaaloo1: rock on!
[22:21] <Jazzva> sort of back... RMI thing that worked here didn't woork at school... so I have to fix it by 15th september.
[22:21] <Jazzva> asac, how did the presentation go? :)
[22:23] <asac> Jazzva: quite well ;)
[22:23] <asac> given that i was completely underprepared at least ;)
[22:23] <asac> i talked again too long about mozillateam in intro
[22:23] <asac> so we didnt get to writing a quick xul webbrowser
[22:24] <Jazzva> oh, well...
[22:24] <Jazzva> good that it went quite well... I'm gonna look at the backlog
[22:24] <asac> what didnt work about RMI?
[22:25] <Jazzva> asac, dunno... since it worked here. so I was shocked :)
[22:25] <asac> any exception?
[22:25] <Jazzva> asac, sorry... I was a bit off for a moment
[22:26] <Jazzva> yeah, client-side reports it can't locate the stub class
[22:26] <asac> so a ClassNotFoundException?
[22:26] <Jazzva> mhm
[22:27] <Jazzva> it happened on my computer
[22:27] <Jazzva> i'm not sure if passing java.rmi.server.codebase to jvm helped, but it seemed to work after that
[22:27] <Jazzva> but that didn't work at the school
[22:28] <Jazzva> and the TA said that java.rmi.server.codebase shouldn't solve that, and that it should work without it, too... so, i got confused :)
[22:28] <asac> Jazzva: is it a classnotfoundexception or something else?
[22:28] <Jazzva> it's a ClassNotFoundException...
[22:29] <Jazzva> well, first it reports UnmarshalledException (I think), and says that it was prodused by ClassNotFoundException
[22:29] <asac> Jazzva: same jre version?
[22:29] <Jazzva> no... I have 1.6.0_07, at school it's 1.6.0
[22:30] <Jazzva> but that shouldn't really matter... it only differs in subversion
[22:30] <asac> right
[22:31] <Jazzva> it also might be that I didn't know how to point to java.rmi.server.codebase at the server-side
[22:31] <asac> Jazzva: quite some time since i used it, but for me it was quite simple
[22:31] <Jazzva> (if that actually matters)
[22:31] <asac> and i cannot remember java.rmi.server.codebase ever being used
[22:31] <Jazzva> here it was file:///home/sasa/blabla/code
[22:31] <asac> Jazzva: what you need is to have the stub classes in a jar that is in classpath
[22:32] <Jazzva> lemme check that
[22:32] <asac> Jazzva: do you dynamically want to download the stubs?
[22:32] <asac> thats the only purpose i can find of that property
[22:32] <asac> i doubt that you want that
[22:32] <Jazzva> I'm not sure :)
[22:33] <asac> i doubt that you want that
[22:33] <asac> Jazzva: what you want is to use rmic to produce stubs and skels
[22:34] <asac> and include the stubs in the -client.jar
[22:34] <asac> and the skels in the -server.jar
[22:34] <asac> but maybe thats toooo old fashioned ;)
[22:35] <Jazzva> I'll play with it a bit...
[22:35] <Jazzva> I'll go to school these days and to try to make it work there... to see what's the problem :)
[22:36] <Jazzva> thanks for the suggestions :)
[22:36] <asac> Jazzva: my gues its a firewall issue or something
[22:36] <asac> most likely the download of the stub doesnt work there
[22:36] <asac> because your client cannot find the server
[22:36] <asac> are you using rmiregistry?
[22:37] <asac> to discover the server?
[22:38] <Jazzva> yep
[22:38] <Jazzva> well, I don't run rmiregistry, but call Registry.newRegistry() (I think that's the method)
[22:38] <Jazzva> but it does the same as the call of rmiregistry
[22:39] <asac> Jazzva: yes. rmiregistries are either contacted explicitly or they are found through network broadcast
[22:39] <asac> if network broadcast doesnt work it wont work
[22:40] <Jazzva> hmm, I would say this was explicitly. I called Registry.newRegistry() on server-side, and Registry.locateRegistry(host) on client-side
[22:41] <asac> ok
[22:41] <asac> and java.rmi.server.codebase on server side?
[22:41] <Jazzva> it might be the firewell...
[22:41] <Jazzva> *firewall
[22:41] <asac> Jazzva: did you try on the same host?
[22:42] <Jazzva> nope... but I think that at sometime TA mentioned something about the ports we're allowed to use
[22:43] <Jazzva> anyway, I'll sort it out somehow :)
[22:45] <asac> Jazzva: try on local host
[22:45] <Jazzva> on local host it works...
[22:45] <asac> and tell the TA to stop wasting your time ;)
[22:45] <Jazzva> lol :)
[22:46] <Jazzva> I also tried last night with a friend... and it worked, too
[22:46] <asac> ask him why this excersize is about proving him that rmi works
[22:46] <asac> no need to show that it works on different  hosts
[22:46] <Jazzva> (on the internet)
[22:46] <asac> just painful and wastes time ;)
[22:46] <Lns> Wow, a chan just for Ubuntu Mozilla folk?
[22:46] <Lns> :)
[22:46] <asac> Jazzva: well. then its certainly a port issue in the network
[22:47] <asac> Lns: yes. people feel offended by good crack ;)
[22:47] <Jazzva> asac, I suppose... I'm almost sure that he said once we can use only five ports...
[22:47] <Lns> asac: .....ok
[22:47] <Jazzva> but not in this exam term... I'll have to see
[22:47]  * Lns runs away
[22:47] <asac> Jazzva: tweak the rmi port then
[22:47] <asac> Jazzva: should just be a -D on both sides
[22:47] <Jazzva> -D?
[22:47] <Jazzva> I think i can just do
[22:47] <asac> Lns: whats up?
[22:48] <Jazzva> newRegistry(port)
[22:48] <Lns> Can anyone comment on this bug I just filed? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704
[22:48] <Jazzva> locateRegistry(host, port) :)
[22:48] <asac> Jazzva: well. registry is one thing
[22:48] <asac> Jazzva: rmi is a different thing
[22:48] <Jazzva> ah... right :)
[22:48] <asac> Jazzva: the registry is not the same transport and might hav a different port
[22:48] <Jazzva> right, it's logical :)
[22:49] <asac> well i am not 100% sure both ports just match
[22:49] <asac> by default
[22:49] <asac> but better ensure that
[22:49] <Jazzva> I think I'll ask the TA about that :)
[22:50] <Jazzva> to check for ports
[22:50] <Lns> asac: I've basically got the issue outlined in the bug URL.. it's horrible... I don't want to think what these people are starting to think about Linux in general..they're all new users :(
[22:51] <Lns> Basically trying to find as many people as possible to tell my issue to, and found this chan while searching freenode chan list..thought I'd bug you all about it too :)
[22:53] <asac> Lns: ill ask someone who might know something
[22:53] <Lns> asac: thank you so much
[22:53] <fta> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/update-to-google-chromes-terms-of.html
[22:53] <asac> yeah
[22:53] <asac> got that
[22:54] <Jazzva> fta, read it today...
[22:54] <asac> Lns: is everyone using a different profile?
[22:54] <asac> or a different user?
[22:54] <Lns> asac: yes, all different users
[22:54] <Lns> all different thin clients
[22:54] <asac> so every user has a distinct account?
[22:54] <asac> ok
[22:54] <Lns> asac: that is correct
[22:55] <asac> Lns: does ltsp meant hat all user share the same x-server?
[22:55] <asac> or is there one x server running per-user?
[22:55] <Lns> asac: there is a central LTSP server - the X "Server" (in traditional X sense) runs on each thin-client.
[22:57] <asac> Lns: so does the server load peek while users are trying to open ffox?
[22:57] <Lns> But user sessions are completely separate. I should note that this is a new issue with Firefox 3 under Hardy (Gutsy+FF2 worked fine).
[22:57] <Lns> asac: yes
[22:57] <asac> oris the server idle all the time
[22:58] <Lns> asac: it peaks pretty badly, and even after it's loaded on some clients, sitting idle at start.ubuntu.com, each process will take ~30-60% CPU
[22:58] <Lns> (on the LTSP server which runs Firefox obviously)
[22:59] <asac> ok. i asked our ltsp guy. maybe its just a setup thing. its the first time i hear about something like that
[22:59] <asac> so chances are good (i would say)
[23:00] <Lns> asac: ok - :) What do you mean it's a setup thing though?
[23:02] <asac> i wouldnt need to ask anyone if i knew that
[23:02]  * Lns laughs
[23:02] <Lns> ok
[23:03] <asac> well. that guy is in the same timezone as i am so mos tlikely he will reply tomorrow. so bug me in 12 hours ... i might need more then
[23:04] <Lns> asac: ok.. my wife is about to go into labor in the next day or so...so is it possible you can /msg me your e-mail?
[23:04] <asac> unlikely that i will remember that
[23:05] <asac> i have too much things that slip through already. i learned that promissing such things always comes back badly
[23:05] <asac> just poll on me ...
[23:05] <asac> @time berlin
[23:05] <Lns> ok i'll make a point to get back to you here
[23:05] <asac> thats the timezone we are in (me and ltsp guy) ... so if you come earlier we will figure that out
[23:05] <asac> cu then
[23:06] <Jazzva> hmm... I always wondered...
[23:06] <Jazzva> @time belgrade
[23:06] <Lns> ok..thx a bunch asac i appreciate it
[23:06] <Jazzva> ooooh :)
[23:06] <Lns> @time california
[23:07] <Lns> :p
[23:07] <Lns> @time pst
[23:07] <asac> why would california have a time? ;)
[23:07] <Jazzva> @time san francisco
[23:07] <Lns> i wish we didn't heh
[23:07] <Lns> time is an illusion anyway, there's no such thing
[23:07] <asac> @time Los_Angeles
[23:07] <Lns> aahhh
[23:07] <asac> hah ;)
[23:07] <asac> so california is clearly dominated by los angeles
[23:08] <asac> @time mountain view
[23:08] <Jazzva> no mountain view
[23:08] <asac> i guess at sometime it that will become UTC ;)
[23:08] <Jazzva> I checked the list... I was surprised there is no SF, nor MV... I thought they were more techie than LA
[23:09] <asac> Jazzva: i really think that list isnt assembles for the sake of matching techies ;)
[23:09] <Jazzva> well... I though SF and MV would be on the list :)
[23:10] <asac> SF has like 200k inhabitants ;)
[23:10] <asac> MV maybe 1k ;)
[23:10] <Jazzva> only 200k?
[23:10] <asac> just a guess
[23:10] <asac> The City and County of San Francisco is the fourth most populous city in California and the 14th most populous city in the United States, with a 2007 estimated population of 764,976
[23:11] <asac> funny that the estimated number goes into the last digit for precision ;)
[23:11] <Jazzva> heh :)
[23:12] <asac> at the time of the estimation we had 764,976.7566  citizens
[23:13] <Jazzva> I would like to meet that 0.7566 citizen :)
[23:13]  * Jazzva doesn't like statistics and similar stuff too much :)
[23:13] <asac> i guess half of that are childs currently being born and the rest mexican immigrants that are still vading through the desert
[23:13] <asac> all sum up to 2.7566
[23:18] <asac> lets see if chromium finally builds here ;)
[23:20] <asac> interesint that chromium doesnt require any X libs
[23:20] <asac> http://dev.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-linux


[02:36] <freakyy> yay just got it installed ;D
[02:36] <freakyy> 15.10 ^^
[02:37] <freakyy> not many people here ;)
[02:39] <freakyy> is there any way i can minimize windows oO
[02:39] <freakyy> there is no minimize button
[02:40] <freakyy> only rightclick brings minimize menu ;(
[02:41] <lindol> oh.
[02:41] <lindol> freakyy, are you asian?
[02:41] <lindol> :)
[02:41] <freakyy> no im german
[02:42] <freakyy> and how do i add accounts to epiphany
[02:42] <lindol> oh sorry. :)
[02:42] <lindol> did you install epiphany?
[02:43] <freakyy> its installed by default
[02:43] <freakyy> ok i need to restart my pc
[02:43] <freakyy> u can type something ill see it when i return
[02:46] <freakyy> back :)
[02:49] <freakyy> is there a way i can remove the title bar from firefox in ubuntu-gnome?
[02:49] <freakyy> i was talking about empathy sorry
[02:49] <lindol> freakyy, I have same question from that happening.
[02:49] <freakyy> lindol: ask
[02:49] <lindol> because When i was using 15.04
[02:50] <lindol> Firefox didn't have it.
[02:50] <lindol> oops.
[02:50] <lindol> sorry, I am still find it :) but i can not remove it T_T
[02:51] <freakyy> what do u mean? it was there and u couldnt remove it? so the same problem that i have?
[02:51] <freakyy> because in windows and unity the firefox doesnt have a title bar
[02:51] <lindol> yes
[02:52] <freakyy> but in ubuntu-gnome it has
[03:21] <darkxst> freakyy, you can use online accounts in gnome-control-panel
[03:21] <darkxst> gnome-control-center even
[03:22] <darkxst> I think there is a firefox extension to remove the titlebar, but otherwise you can't
[03:38] <freakyy> ok and how can i switch the icon of a menu entry on the left (favourites)? i installed thunderbird but it uses a wrong icon ... i downloaded the right onenow how do i assign it?
[03:46] <freakyy> ah i found out
[03:46] <freakyy> i installed gnome-support for thunderbird
[03:46] <freakyy> then rebooted and then the icon was there ;D
[03:47] <freakyy> okk and what is this taskbar-icon holder on the lower left
[03:47] <freakyy> cant i put the icons on the upper right like with unity?
[04:09] <freakyy> is there anything someone new to ubuntu-gnome needs to know?
[05:01] <LinStatSDRR> Hello all.
[05:31] <lindol> ㅗㅑ 미ㅣ
[05:31] <lindol> hi all
[12:51] <freakyy> hi all. is there any better theme than the default?
[13:44] <LinDol> haha
[14:15] <LinDol> oh
[14:15] <LinDol> I am watching UFC seoul
[14:15] <LinDol> haha.
[14:16] <LinDol> sorry. :-)


[08:07] <mdz> elmo: once I can confirm that the other 11 are working I'll send out the announcement
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> mdz: there is
[08:08] <mdz> anyway I'm using curses, and it doesn't display error messages the way btdownloadcurses does
[08:08] <mdz> HiddenWolf: is it working for you now?
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> mdz: Not yet. I'll restart and see what it does
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> mdz: connecting to peers (0.0%)
[08:09] <elmo> mdz: can you figlet "USE TORRENT" at the top of the announce, pls?
[08:09] <mdz> same here
[08:09] <elmo> ugh, you're kidding, it's still broken?
[08:09] <elmo> what are you running?
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> elmo: btlaunchmanycurses --minport 6881 --maxport 6999 --max_upload_rate 20
[08:10] <Mithrandir> elmo: worksforme
[08:10] <elmo> HiddenWolf: what URL?
[08:11] <Mithrandir> though, only install-ppc, live-amd64 so far.
[08:11] <HiddenWolf> elmo: amd64-install
[08:12] <elmo> that's working for me
 elmo: btdownloadcurses http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/hoary-rc-install-amd64.iso.torrent - that url
[08:13] <elmo> that too
[08:13] <smurfix> Kamion: It does, the problem might be that it's actually checking the wrong table. Can you tell me which keys you're pressing in detect-keys, and their keycodes?
[08:13] <elmo> both those now work
[08:13] <elmo> (for me)
[08:13] <Kamion> smurfix: will do next time I'm doing an install
[08:13] <HiddenWolf> elmo: not here. Connecting to peers only
[08:13] <elmo> HiddenWolf: what's your IP?
[08:13] <smurfix> Kamion: I'll trace what the code does. My kids will have to forego their Mac for a bit ;-)
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> elmo: <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:14] <lamont> Kamion: archive copier should not be the default on G3's. :-(  this ones opinion only, of course...
[08:15] <elmo> mdz: is it still broken for you too?
[08:15] <Kamion> damn, I meant to make the Kubuntu CDs kubuntu-hoary-rc-* rather than kubuntu-hoary-*
[08:15] <Kamion> oh well, too late now, I'm not renaming them all
[08:15] <Kamion> elmo: 8/12 have started up here
[08:16] <lamont> right. lunch.
[08:16] <Treenaks> unless or until? :P
[08:16] <HiddenWolf> lol@treenaks
[08:16] <mdz> elmo: I have 8/12 live
[08:17] <Mithrandir> where are the kubuntu torrents?
[08:17] <mdz> kubuntu-hoary-install-amd64, kubuntu-hoary-install-i386, kubuntu-hoary-live-i386 and kubuntu-hoary-live-powerpc are not working
[08:17] <mdz> Mithrandir: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/
[08:17] <Kamion> mdz: yeah, same here
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> mdz: ubuntu-amd64 install does it for you?
[08:18] <mdz> hoary-rc-install-amd64 is fine
[08:18] <HiddenWolf> mdz: what's the link to the torrent, I'll re-download to make sure
[08:18] <mdz> HiddenWolf: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[08:19] <elmo> uh
[08:19] <elmo> why does torrent.ubuntu.com:6969 have same name, different md5sum entries?
[08:20] <elmo> oh, the dailies, meh
[08:20] <mdz> because we create many different torrents with the same filenames
[08:20] <HiddenWolf> mdz: no luck, no peers
[08:21] <mdz> it's OK on the server side, install-amd64 works fine for me
[08:21] <pitti> fabbione: I really like your kernel release names :)
[08:21] <fabbione> pitti: ehehe
[08:21] <jani> elmo, any reason for a sync from debian not making it to hoary-changes? I cannot seem to find darcs announced there even if you synced it, but I got confirmation email
[08:21] <mdz> elmo: kubuntu-hoary-install-amd64 just started working
[08:22] <pitti> fabbione: I hope there are enough vegetables for the future
[08:22] <fabbione> pitti: they are not just mine tho.. we vote for them :)
[08:22] <mdz> k-h-live-i386 and k-h-live-powerpc still idle
[08:22] <mdz> elmo: hey, they're all working now
[08:22] <mdz> 12/12
[08:23] <Mithrandir> downloading at ~8.8MB/sec.
[08:23] <elmo> ok, yay
[08:23] <Mithrandir> that's fairly decent
[08:23] <fabbione> pitti: we will find them.. don't worry :) we have for at least another 6/8 releases
[08:23] <HiddenWolf> mithrandir: you're making me jealous
[08:24] <Mithrandir> I'm actually maxing out my 100Mbit now.
[08:24] <Mithrandir> fun.
[08:25] <HiddenWolf> elmo; what port is the torrent/tracker on?
[08:26] <mdz> announcement is away
[08:26] <elmo> HiddenWolf: the default
[08:26] <ogra> yeah
[08:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: approval for m-t 1.0.2?  Security fixes; recommended by pitti
[08:28] <mdz> Mithrandir: ok
[08:28] <Mithrandir> (probably something more than security too, described by pitti as "backport nightmare" :/
[08:29] <pitti> Mithrandir: I mean the security fixes, there are heaps of them, and pretty intrusive ones
[08:29] <Mithrandir> pitti: ah, ok.
[08:33] <sPoof_> mdz: Hi, did you receive my mail about MoinMoin?
[08:34] <mdz> sPoof_: yes, thanks
[08:34] <pitti> mdz: congrats for the release :-)
[08:34] <mdz> sPoof_: we published the Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate today
[08:34] <fabbione> mdz ++
[08:34] <mdz> sPoof_: so I have been busy
[08:34] <mdz> elmo: gah, the torrents just fell over
[08:34] <sPoof_> mdz: oh, didn't know that. Sorry.
[08:34] <mdz> kubuntu-hoary-live-powerpc.iso.torrent died 6 times, added to dead list
[08:34] <elmo> mdz: WHAT?
[08:35] <mdz> elmo: ^^ for 8/12
[08:35] <mdz> is it only me?
[08:35] <sPoof_> dmz: So I didn't make it in time, then :-(
[08:35] <Mithrandir> the torrents have almost died down for me.
[08:35] <HiddenWolf> mdz: still no torrent here either.
[08:35] <Mithrandir> pushing ~70-ish kB/s.
[08:35] <mdz> the ones where I have a complete copy are still alive
[08:35] <mdz> the others died
[08:36] <mdz> sPoof_: not necessarily
[08:36] <sPoof_> Congratulations with the release, everyone!
[08:36] <mdz> sPoof_: the final release is in 9 days, so we have some time to get moin in
[08:36] <mdz> since it is an alternative and not a replacement, the risk is low
[08:36] <sPoof_> mdz: I see.
[08:37] <sPoof_> mdz: Then tell me again - what happened today if not the release?
[08:37] <mdz> sPoof_: "release candidate"
[08:37] <sPoof_> mdz: grand freeze?
[08:37] <sPoof_> mdz: thanks. I am slow...
 sPoof_: we published the Ubuntu 5.04 release candidate today
[08:38] <elmo> mdz: I dunno what to suggest, I didn't touch it, I can still see people using it
[08:38] <mdz> elmo: never mind, I think I ran out of disk.  yay btlaunchmanycurses for hiding more errors
[08:39] <sPoof_> mdz: the new packaging is equal for Ubuntu and Debian (and Woody backports but haven't tested that yet),
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> elmo: still nothing here. Do you have any idea what can cause that?
[08:39] <elmo> god damn it the torrent software is evil
[08:39] <mdz> HiddenWolf: firewall
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> mdz: not so for other torrents, and I d/l a lot
[08:40] <Kamion> doko: should be ok for uploads now BTW
[08:41] <sPoof_> mdz: What to do now? I'd be happy to throw it at some testers if need be (and testers are there).
[08:43] <mdz> sPoof_: I believe the next thing is for elmo to set it up on our server
[08:43] <mdz> meanwhile I'll get it uploaded
[08:43] <mdz> actually I think I'd like for elmo to look over it before I upload it
[08:43] <elmo> mdz: I thought you wanted me to sync it?
[08:43] <sPoof_> mdz: I'd like that too.
[08:43] <mdz> elmo: that's fine too
[08:44] <sPoof_> elmo: sync? Is that another thread than MoinMoin or...?
[08:44] <mdz> is there a new URL?
[08:44] <mdz> the package at http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool/ubuntu/moin/ is still called 'moin'
[08:45] <sPoof_> mdz: Same URL. I can remove the old parts if that disturbs you.
[08:46] <mdz> sPoof_: we agreed by mail that the package should be named differently, so as not to replace moin 1.2.x
[08:46] <mdz> so that they can coexist in the archive
[08:46] <sPoof_> mdz: Oh - I get it (stupid me) you want a different _source_ name off course.
[08:46] <mdz> source and binary
[08:47] <sPoof_> mdz: binaries have changed. Source won't take me more than 10 minutes to change.
[08:47] <sPoof_> mdz: I'll do it right now! (how embarrassing!)
[08:47] <mdz> sPoof_: there is still a binary named 'moin' also
[08:47] <mdz> oh, I see, that is for the old version
[08:57] <mxpxpod> is beagle going to be in the next ubuntu release?
[08:58] <zul> heh
[09:12] <sPoof_> mdz: Should be correct now: http://debian.jones.dk/hykrion/pool/ubuntu/moin/
[09:12] <mdz> elmo: ^^ please sync if you're happy with it
[09:12] <sPoof_> mdz: Removed old stuff. Added debian dir from source package if interested in a quick look.
[09:13] <HiddenWolf> mdz; elmo; I can get the torrent going with gnome-btdownload, but not with btlaunchmanycurses....
[09:18] <smurfix> s/my/his ;-)
[09:18] <mdz> mako: speaking of free bandwidth
[09:18] <mdz> mako: can you get a seed going?
[09:19] <mako> mdz: sure :)
[09:22] <seb128> mdz: are we in upload freeze ?
[09:22] <mdz> seb128: no
[09:23] <seb128> k, I've some uploads to do
[09:23] <seb128> I've a fix for the gtk fileselector crasher
[09:25] <mdz> yay
[09:25] <mdz> is there any word on the gamin bug?
[09:25] <seb128> mdz: waiting on pitti
[09:25] <josue> guys, i've got some 600-700GB available in my server, and want to help if possible, but i've never setup a seed.
[09:26] <mdz> pitti: ping
[09:27] <smurfix> josue: Just download the .torrent files and tun btdownload* on each of them
[09:27] <smurfix> s/tun/run
[09:29] <josue> alright, where can i find the torrent for the rc?
[09:29] <mako> mdz: i'm on both of the i386 torrents
[09:29] <josue> sorry, brb
[09:29] <mdz> mako: both? there are 4 i386 torrents :-)
[09:29] <mvo> re
[09:31] <mako> rc install and rc live and ??
[09:31] <mdz> mako: ubuntu install, ubuntu live, kubuntu install, kubuntu live
[09:31] <ups> josue: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ :)
[09:31] <mako> ahh.. i'm not doing kubuntu yet
[09:31] <mako> i can do that too
[09:31] <mako> i'm getting about 1MB/second down on each torrent
[09:32] <mako> but less than 100KB/sec up
[09:32] <mako> actually 2MB/second down
[09:36] <HiddenWolf> mako: you're making me damn jealous
[09:37] <mako> HiddenWolf: i downloaded an ISO in under 3 minutes once :)
[09:37] <helio7> mdz I got the listserv email today & updated my torrents so I'm getting 12 torrents for seeding (kubuntu X6 and ubuntu X6) all hoary; do you think I should stop seeding Warty at this point?
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> mako: please, don't be cruel. I
[09:38] <mdz> helio7: Warty is still the current stable release, and many people still want to download it
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> I'm maxing out my conn and will have to wait 2:45 for it.
[09:38] <helio7> ok thanks
[09:39] <smurfix> mako: *grumble* *envy*
[09:40] <maswan> mako: that's two minutes too much. :P
[09:40] <zyga> geez my LAN is slower :P
[09:42] <zyga> mvo: ping
[09:42] <mvo> zyga: pong
[09:42] <zyga> mvo: who is responsible for the artwork?
[09:42] <zyga> pretty cd + globe icon
[09:42] <mdz> zyga: which artwork?
[09:43] <zyga> make that: pretty ubuntu cd + globe icon
[09:43] <zyga> the icon from update-manager
[09:43] <mvo> zyga: in update-manager?
[09:43] <mvo> zyga: michiel (Mitario) created it
[09:44] <mvo> zyga: you may want to have a look at gnome-app-install for that :)
[09:44] <maswan> mako: well, assuming it isn't a full-sized dvd iso, then it is pretty impressive
[09:44] <mvo> it uses the icon information from the .desktop files for that
[09:45] <Amaranth> gnome-app-install is like a weak attempt at a menu editor :P
[09:45] <zyga> mvo: good idea :-)
[09:45] <lamont> Kamion: so that archive copy I was bitching about an hour ago is 64% done.  libostyle1
[09:45] <Amaranth> it uses PyXDG, makes it really easy
[09:46] <mvo> Amaranth: a interessting characterisation
[09:46] <Amaranth> mvo: It doesn't actually remove the apps, it just include and excludes them from the menus
[09:47] <mvo> Amaranth: oh, it does remove the apps (and installs them)
[09:47] <mvo> Amaranth: if not, you have found a bug
[09:47] <Amaranth> err
[09:47] <Amaranth> this must not be gnome-app-install then
[09:47] <Amaranth> because it doesn't even run with sudo
[09:48] <Amaranth> no, it's the right app
[09:48] <zyga> hmm
[09:48] <zyga> does freedesktop.org specifies how to lookup correct icon file?
[09:48] <Amaranth> zyga: are you using Python? :)
[09:49] <zyga> Amaranth: that depends ;]
[09:49] <zyga> Amaranth: currently - yes, in general - no
[09:49] <Amaranth> python-xdg makes it all very simple
[09:49] <jani> elmo ping
[09:50] <zyga> Amaranth: interesting
[09:50] <zyga> Amaranth: that's a separate library I assume
[09:50] <Amaranth> yeah
[09:50] <fabbione> Kernel Team meeting on #ubuntu-meeting will start in 10 minutes
[09:51] <Amaranth> fabbione: mind if i watch?
[09:51] <zyga> is there any way to check if it's present before trying to load it?
[09:51] <zyga> I'd like not have to depend on it
[09:51] <fabbione> Amaranth: everybody can watch and partecipate, but stay on topic
[09:53] <Amaranth> zyga: It's in main
[09:53] <mdz> mako: can I ask in advance for a Hoary final release announcement?  I think sabdfl will want to review and revise as well
[09:53] <Amaranth> zyga: it's even a part of ubuntu-desktop, iirc
[09:54] <zyga> Amaranth: I've just looked it up
[09:54] <zyga> Amaranth: thanks that's going to be very interesting :)
[09:55] <elmo> jani?
[09:56] <jani> elmo, can you add my GPG key to the ring please?
[09:56] <jani> Jani Monoses
[09:56] <jani> I did an upload but seems it was ignored so I supposed I have no permission yet
[09:59] <fabbione> Kernel Team meeting on #ubuntu-meeting will start now
[10:00] <lamont> hrm.. red on magenta is hard to read.
[10:00] <lamont> really should fix that connector
[10:02] <lamont> hrm.. easy enough to check in a few.
[10:06] <elmo> jani: what's your key id?
[10:06] <jani> a moment
[10:07] <jani> C5AA2301
[10:12] <HiddenWolf> Ugh. I'm guessing you can't install from the livecd?
[10:13] <Amaranth> nope
[10:13] <HiddenWolf> fuck, then I've been downing the wrong ISO
[10:15] <elmo> smurfix: ?
[10:15] <elmo> jani: ok, one sec
[10:16] <elmo> smurfix: nm
[10:16] <smurfix> elmo: !
[10:28] <pitti> night everybody
[10:32] <HiddenWolf> elmo; mdz; if you want people to use the torrents if they can, you should consider linking the bolded links in the wiki to the torrent, rather than the iso
[10:32] <mdz> HiddenWolf: what bolded links in the wiki?
[10:33] <elmo> doko: err, "-0" ?
[10:35] <doko> hmm, yes, will change it, but it's the correct package.
[10:36] <lamont> woot... 90 minutes into archive-copier, and 70% done.
[10:37] <lamont> so if I rip 90% of these locales out of /etc/locale.gen, and regen, will the next lang-pack update recreate them, I wonder???
[10:38] <Mithrandir> yes, and it's a bug and pitti has been made aware of it
[10:54] <fabbione> mdz: ping?
[11:15] <lamont> daily*/current are the RC bits, yes?
[11:30] <jani> elmo, if you have time today https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUToSync, second row, the xfce4.2 upgrade, thank
[11:51] <lamont> any ppc-netboot literate folks awake?


[05:12] <mapps> hi all
[05:12] <mapps> any of the night owls around;p
[05:17] <zmoylan-pi> *bark*
[05:18] <mapps> hi:D
[06:08] <mapps> this show allegiance is cool
[06:08] <mapps> hm dafty left so he was awake
[07:48] <knightwise> good  morning everyone
[10:00] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:05]  * zmoylan-pi guesses knightwise will try a greeting of 'everyone' around 11:30 based on current 2 datapoints :-)
[10:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:21] <MrIndeed> hey guys, i have no swap on ubuntu 14.04. It making my pc slow
[11:25] <popey> not having swap doesn't make your pc slow.
[11:27] <MrIndeed> no, before when i had swap my computer was working fine. Now, without it i have open 10 tabs on chrome and my pc tend to freeze
[11:27] <MrIndeed> *i cant open 10 tabs
[11:28] <popey> Typically when you have no swap and you run low on ram, things will start to get killed
[11:28] <MrIndeed> by any chance, how can i add swap
[11:28] <popey> how did you remove it?
[11:29] <MrIndeed> i dont remember...
[11:30] <popey> did you have some, which you disabled, or did you install without it?
[11:30] <MrIndeed> i remember having swap when i installed ubuntu
[11:30] <popey> in a terminal, type this command and paste the output
[11:30] <popey> sudo fdisk -l
[11:31] <popey> it will list all partitions on all disks
[11:31] <MrIndeed> Disk /dev/sda: 80.0 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9726 cylinders, total 156250000 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00000b63     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System /dev/sda1   *        2048     3905535     1951744   82  Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda2
[11:40] <popey> so you still have some swap configured
[11:41] <popey> MrIndeed: can you paste the contents of /etc/fstab to http://paste.ubuntu.com please
[11:41] <MrIndeed> do i click on paste?
[11:43] <popey> yeah, put a nickname in and paste
[11:43] <popey> it will give you a url
[11:43] <popey> let me have that url
[11:43] <MrIndeed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10220251/
[11:46] <popey> you have lots of linux installs?
[11:46] <popey> can you :-
[11:46] <popey> cat /etc/fstab
[11:46] <popey> and put that on pastebin?
[11:47] <MrIndeed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10220349/
[11:51] <popey> ok, so see line 19?
[11:51] <popey> the # in front of it means it's commented out
[11:51] <popey> you could edit the file, remove that single # from that line and save it, then reboot and you're done.
[11:51] <popey> So, to edit the file:-
[11:52] <popey> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[11:52] <popey> (this will ask for your password)
[11:52] <MrIndeed> okay
[11:52] <MrIndeed> what should i edit
[11:53] <popey> go down to line 19 (the one that has #UUID=6bf84c3d-00ce-4e5e-9f01-b191c1125b2d none            swap    sw              0       0
[11:53] <popey> its the only line with # in front of UUID
[11:53] <popey> just use cursor arrows to move to that line, and get rid of the hash only
[11:53] <popey> then when done, press CTRL+X to save and exit
[11:54] <MrIndeed> so i make #UUID=6bf84c3d-00ce-4e5e-9f01-b191c1125b2d to UUID=6bf84c3d-00ce-4e5e-9f01-b191c1125b2d
[11:54] <popey> yes
[11:55] <MrIndeed> it says "There is still a process running in this terminal.
[11:56] <popey> did you ctrl+x to close nano?
[11:56] <popey> and say "yes" when it asks to save?
[11:57] <MrIndeed> when it says save modified buffer do i type yes or do i press y
[11:57] <popey> yes, then enter
[11:58] <MrIndeed> it still says swap not available
[11:59] <popey> what says that?
[12:00] <MrIndeed> system monitor
[12:00] <popey> ok. editing the file is one part
[12:00] <popey> there's two other things.
[12:00] <popey> 1) reboot for the change to take effect
[12:00] <popey> or
[12:00] <popey> and/or
[12:00] <popey> 2) type this command to activate swap immediately:-
[12:00] <popey> sudo swapon -a
[12:01] <MrIndeed> which one is the best option
[12:03] <popey> well, do "sudo swapon -a" now, to test
[12:03] <popey> and then run system monitor
[12:03] <popey> if it says you have swap then you're done.
[12:03] <popey> the reboot isn't _required_ it's just the quick-and-dirty way to make the change you made take effect
[12:03] <MrIndeed> swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=6bf84c3d-00ce-4e5e-9f01-b191c1125b2d swapon: /dev/mapper/cryptswap1: stat failed: No such file or directory
[12:03] <popey> oh dear
[12:03] <popey> do you have lots of linux installs on that machine?
[12:04] <popey> oh, no, just one, with lots of partitions?
[12:04] <MrIndeed> one with lots of partitions
[12:04] <popey> what if you "sudo swapon /dev/sda1" ?
[12:05] <MrIndeed> swapon: /dev/sda1: read swap header failed: Invalid argument
[12:06] <popey> ok, lets undo the change we made
[12:06] <popey> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:06] <popey> put the # back on line 19
[12:08] <MrIndeed> how do i save
[12:08] <popey> ctrl+x
[12:09] <MrIndeed>  it wont close
[12:09] <MrIndeed> the nano
[12:09] <popey> what does it say when you do ctrl+x?
[12:10] <MrIndeed> save modified file
[12:10] <popey> so, say "yes" then enter
[12:11] <MrIndeed> oh
[12:11] <MrIndeed> okay
[12:17] <popey> MrIndeed: what happens if you run "sudo swapon -s" ?
[12:18] <MrIndeed> Filename				Type		Size	Used	Priority
[12:18] <popey> thats it?
[12:18] <popey> what about when you run "dmesg | grep swap" ?
[12:19] <MrIndeed> nothing
[12:20] <popey> hmm
[12:21] <popey> we can reformat your swap partition, which should fix it.
[12:22] <popey> sudo mkfs.swap /dev/sda1
[12:22] <popey> ^ that will format the swap partition
[12:22] <DJones> Just a thought, is the uud correct for the swap partion
[12:22] <DJones> s/uud/uuid/
[12:22] <popey> well it can't even manually mount it
[12:22] <popey> 12:05 < MrIndeed> swapon: /dev/sda1: read swap header failed: Invalid argument
[12:23] <DJones> Right
[12:23] <MrIndeed> eh
[12:23] <MrIndeed> sudo mkfs.swap /dev/sda1 sudo: mkfs.swap: command not found
[12:24] <popey> oops
[12:24] <popey> my bad
[12:24] <popey> sudo mkswap /dev/sda1
[12:27] <popey> so, run that, and it will format your swap partition
[12:27] <popey> then you should be able to run:-
[12:27] <popey> sudo swapon /dev/sda1
[12:28] <popey> and it should be active?
[12:28] <MrIndeed> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 1951740 KiB no label, UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90
[12:28] <MrIndeed> oh yes
[12:28] <MrIndeed> it worked
[12:28] <popey> ok, thats okay for this session
[12:28] <popey> but we need to edit /etc/fstab again to make it permanent
[12:29] <popey> so:-
[12:29] <popey> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:29] <popey> add a new line:-
[12:29] <MrIndeed> make a new line?
[12:29] <popey> UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90 none swap sw 0 0
[12:29] <popey> ya
[12:30] <MrIndeed> where do i put this new line
[12:30] <popey> anywhere
[12:30] <popey> it doesn't matter
[12:30] <MrIndeed> at the buttom
[12:30] <popey> thats fine
[12:30] <popey> once you have added that line, we need to remove another line
[12:30] <MrIndeed> okay
[12:31] <popey> add a # to the /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 line
[12:31] <popey> to the start
[12:32] <MrIndeed> to this "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0"
[12:32] <popey> ya
[12:32] <MrIndeed> #/dev/mapper/cryptswap1 none swap sw 0 0
[12:32] <popey> looks good.
[12:32] <MrIndeed> and than save it?
[12:33] <popey> yes
[12:33] <MrIndeed> done
[12:34] <popey> you should be good now. we can test it though
[12:34] <popey> first, we can temporarily disable swap in this session:-
[12:34] <MrIndeed> lets do that
[12:34] <popey> sudo swapoff /dev/sda1
[12:34] <MrIndeed> okay
[12:34] <popey> then we can test the config you edited:-
[12:34] <popey> sudo swapon -a
[12:35] <MrIndeed> swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90
[12:35] <popey> wat
[12:35] <MrIndeed> i know
[12:35] <popey> this uuid stuf is nonsense :)
[12:36] <popey> ok, edit the file again
[12:36] <popey> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:36] <popey> we can do it the old school way
[12:36] <popey> change the line from UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90 none swap sw 0 0   to...
[12:36] <popey> /dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0
[12:36] <MrIndeed> wait, did you tell me to put a '# on the new line
[12:36] <MrIndeed> to this
[12:36] <MrIndeed> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[12:37] <MrIndeed> UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90 none swap sw 0 0
[12:37] <popey> no, that line should look as you have it
[12:37] <popey> just to confirm
[12:37] <popey> do you want to paste the current state of it to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[12:37] <popey> so we can see where we are?
[12:37] <MrIndeed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10220964/
[12:38] <popey> i see nothing wrong there
[12:38] <popey> but screw it, lets change it (or comment that line out and make a new one)
[12:38] <popey> dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0
[12:38] <popey> er
[12:38] <popey>  /dev/sda1 none swap sw 0 0
[12:39] <MrIndeed> make a new line
[12:39] <popey> ya
[12:39] <MrIndeed> okay did that
[12:39] <popey> ok, save
[12:39] <popey> then try "sudo swapon -a" again?
[12:40] <MrIndeed> no luck
[12:40] <MrIndeed> swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90
[12:40] <popey> uh
[12:41] <MrIndeed> wait
[12:41] <popey> did you comment that line out?:)
[12:41] <popey> (you need to # out that line)
[12:41] <MrIndeed> swap showed up on system moniter
[12:41] <popey> ok, so the last line worked, but it barfed on the UUID line
[12:41] <popey> so you still need to comment that
[12:41] <popey> by "comment" I mean put # in front of it
[12:41] <MrIndeed> on what line
[12:41] <popey> UUID=5b796113-7280-4ac7-9080-1c115a727b90 none swap sw 0 0
[12:42] <popey> that one should have # in front
[12:42] <MrIndeed> okay
[12:43] <popey> I think we're done?
[12:43] <MrIndeed> do we test?
[12:43] <popey> sure
[12:43] <popey> sudo swapoff /dev/sda1
[12:44] <popey> sudo swapon -a
[12:44] <MrIndeed> it works!!!
[12:44] <popey> \o/
[12:44] <popey> Great success.
[12:45] <MrIndeed> one more thing, should swap remain at 0%?
[12:45] <popey> it gets used as needed
[12:46] <MrIndeed> you are awesome mate
[12:46] <popey> heh
[12:46] <popey> thanks
[12:46] <MrIndeed> break a leg
[12:46] <popey> \o/
[12:49] <brobostigon> ubuntu on click, :)
[12:52] <popey> the phone?
[12:57] <brobostigon> on a normal pc.
[12:58] <brobostigon> on dev pc's, in an american prison.
[12:58] <brobostigon> or teaching pc's.
[12:58] <brobostigon> teaching prisoners programming,.
[13:06] <popey> ah okay, yeah. i saw a report about that
[13:08] <brobostigon> ah
[14:13] <mickybadia> #python
[14:47] <diddledan> morning
[14:49] <Myrtti> time of day
[14:50] <diddledan> Universal Gretting Time
[14:53] <bashrc> tzag
[15:57] <knightwise> heyhey
[15:58] <knightwise> hmmm wifi is dodgy on my Surface pro linux install
[15:58] <knightwise> lots of dropped packets
[15:58] <knightwise> ive seen this before
[15:59] <knightwise> looks like ill have to setup a different NON-N wifi router
[17:26] <penguin42> knightwise: Which chipset is the wireless? There's a set of intel chipsets I've seen people moan about
[17:56] <diddledan> it's valentines day which means it's time to settle down and watch some bloody violence in a mancave
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> fifth element, love story with action comedy and sci fi :-)
[18:09] <diddledan> heh, that's a good movie
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> it meets all your requirements
[18:24] <knightwise> penguin42: How can i see that ?
[18:24] <knightwise> Ive had some issues with wifi chipsets and my brand of router before (when I installed ubuntu on my macbook pro)
[18:25] <knightwise> to be sure i've setup a second wifi access point with a different chipset and set to BG only.
[18:25] <knightwise> so far it looks like the wifi performance is improving
[18:25] <knightwise> now all I need to get working is the suspend or even hibernate functionality
[18:27] <penguin42> knightwise: lspci
[18:31] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/y9Tqi7FL
[18:33] <penguin42> knightwise: Fun, I don't see any wifi - so hmm maybe it's not pci
[18:33] <penguin42> knightwise: maybe lsusb?
[18:33] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/i0qye7dy
[18:34] <penguin42> knightwise: ah there you go
[18:34] <penguin42> knightwise: It's the Marvell chip
[18:35] <knightwise> Stupid spiderman :)
[18:35] <knightwise> Marvel :)
[18:35] <penguin42> knightwise: Yeh, it uses telepathy rather than wifi
[18:36] <knightwise> LOL
[18:38] <knightwise> ive hooked it up to the BG router and now it seems to be goin g ok
[18:39] <knightwise> battery life is awesome here
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> knightwise, just returned to pooter & read your "battery life is awesome" comment... you need a psychiatrist - you are not a battery ;)
[21:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[21:37] <bigcalm> !info hpodder
[21:39] <penguin42> good evening
[21:39] <bigcalm> Seems to have been left behind in 12.04. What to do?
[21:39] <penguin42> what was it?
[21:40] <bigcalm> A podcatcher
[21:41] <bigcalm> Looks to have been abandoned :(
[21:41] <bigcalm> I need a headless podcast downloader
[21:42] <popey> hpodder
[21:42] <popey> oh
[21:42]  * popey scrolls up
[21:43] <bigcalm> Mopping up after upgrading my micro server from 12.04 to 14.04
[21:44] <bigcalm> Good to see people still downloading ubuntu-mate-14.10-desktop-i386.iso from me
[21:44] <bigcalm> Radio of 58 now
[21:51] <popey> why not just grab hpodder from 12.04?
[21:52] <bigcalm> If it works, fair enough
[21:59] <bigcalm> Who controls the factoids on lubotu3 and how do I go about changing one of them?
[21:59] <bigcalm> I recall going into a channel last year, but I don't recall which one
[22:09] <popey> #ubuntu-irc
[22:10] <bigcalm> Yeah, tracked down the info via lengthy googling
[22:10] <bigcalm> !rat
[22:10] <bigcalm> Nope, that's not updated yet
[22:14] <popey> it wont if you dont update it :)
[22:15] <bigcalm> I have. It's waiting on #ubuntu-ops to confirm the update
[22:19] <bigcalm> I got an automated support ticket response to my mailing list post from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:19]  * bigcalm scratches his head
[22:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: you about
[22:33] <popey> bigcalm: bought my ticket
[22:33] <popey> bigcalm: wat
[22:35] <bigcalm> popey: yay
[22:35] <bigcalm> popey: wat wat?
[22:38] <bigcalm> !rat
[22:38] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[22:38] <bigcalm> Might get changed at some point :)
[22:38]  * bigcalm heads to bed
[22:40] <zmoylan-pi> so instead of a booze cruise it's an ale rail :-)
[22:41] <popey> hah
[22:41] <popey> its really jolly good fun


[11:14] <CIA-13> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1203 ubuntu/ (73 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.64
[11:16] <CIA-13> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1204 ubuntu/debian/po/ug.po: msgmerge
[11:24] <CIA-13> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1205 ubuntu/debian/changelog: another remaining change
[11:28] <CIA-13> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1206 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.64ubuntu1
[11:30] <CIA-13> iso-scan: cjwatson * r548 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog iso-scan.postinst po/ast.po po/bn.po po/gu.po): merge from Debian 1.35
[11:32] <CIA-13> iso-scan: cjwatson * r549 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu1
[12:03] <CIA-13> os-prober: cjwatson * r311 ubuntu/ (8 files in 6 dirs): merge from Debian 1.47
[12:05] <CIA-13> os-prober: cjwatson * r312 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.47ubuntu1
[15:27] <ev> cjwatson: random thought - if we switch to using GRUB2 on the CDs, would you be happy using kexec in regular ubiquity?
[15:28] <cjwatson> no
[15:28] <cjwatson> it's the configuration that's non-trivial and potentially risky, not the boot loader code
[15:28] <cjwatson> or at least not solely
[15:30] <ev> fair point
[15:31] <ev> hm, I think we'll ideally want to toy with plymouth a bit or leave the X contents on the framebuffer (so that old workitem I have to fix oem-config -> session) when using kexec
[15:32] <ev> in wubi, that is