[04:05] <Sarvatt> ohh, this transition tracking talk on the ubuntu-devel list is interesting, we definitely should be adding X there whenever we do it next
[05:51] <tjaalton> RAOF: yeah it's in git :)
[05:51] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: like for tracking which drivers need a rebuild and stuff?
[05:54] <RAOF> tjaalton: And in the repository, and FTBFS on arm :).
[06:01] <RAOF> What finishes first?  An armel build of libdrm, or an i386 build of mesa.  Gentlemen, place your bets!
[06:57] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[07:42] <tjaalton> looking at the list of video drivers to drop, a promising start :)
[13:59] <mgariepy> hello, i've got an issue with xorg-server-video-intel v 2.14 and 2.15 that makes the transparency black when using a remote Xorg server i commented the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/785280 can someone help about this problem ?
[13:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 785280 in gentoo (and 1 other project) "transparency not working with intel driver and LTSP (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Medium,Unknown]
[14:00] <tjaalton> best file it upstream
[14:01] <tjaalton> and not spam several channels about it :/
[14:57] <czajkowski> wonder are folks awake ?
[14:58] <czajkowski> I've an Xorg bug and I'm not sure how to proceed as I cant reproduce it as it happens on it's own
[15:01] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/788508
[15:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 788508 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Machine randomly reboots for no reason (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,Incomplete]
[15:05] <tjaalton> that sounds like a hardware problem
[15:06] <Sarvatt> czajkowski: one sec, i'm digging up the bug yours is a dupe of
[15:06] <Sarvatt> czajkowski: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/774978
[15:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 774978 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics (Ubuntu) "xserver crashes in RecordAReply when XRecord is enabled in syndaemon (affects: 32) (dups: 10) (heat: 342)" [High,Triaged]
[15:06] <Sarvatt> see comment #25 for a temporary fix
[15:07] <tjaalton> ah, so it doesn't actually reboot
[15:07] <Sarvatt> it's not actually rebooting just X is crashing and you see plymouth again before GDM comes back up yeah
[15:08] <tjaalton> now I see there's that backtrace again
[15:11] <czajkowski> Sarvatt: yes
[15:11] <czajkowski> so I'm not going insane and it just happens
[15:12] <Sarvatt> czajkowski: you can add this PPA to get the fix that'll be overwritten by the fixed one in the archive when it comes out - https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/sru3
[15:13] <czajkowski> ahh k
[15:13] <Sarvatt> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:sarvatt/sru3 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:14] <tjaalton> mh, 'sudo -s; <do-stuff>' :)
[15:15] <czajkowski> Sarvatt: thanks for the help, I didnt know how I was going to do a backtrace as I didn't know what sets it off
[16:17] <Sarvatt> RAOF, bryce, tjaalton: anything planned for the sprint? like any specific machines I should bring?
[16:21] <Sarvatt> RAOF: what do we plan to do with dri-experimental? I think I'll move nouveau to dri in edgers now but that package is going to be empty. maybe ship i915g in there in oneiric?
[18:03] <bryce> Sarvatt, I won't be attending, so no plans on my end.
[18:04] <Sarvatt> oh shoot I forgot! alrighty
[18:09] <tjaalton> I'll probably bring the fujitsu sis-crap for llvmpipe testing
[18:09] <Sarvatt> I thought I remembered something about nouveau testing there, my only working nvidia laptop is a fermi though
[18:10] <Sarvatt> both 8xxx generation laptops died
[18:25] <Sarvatt> ok I take back what I said, those looks good to me.
[18:34] <tjaalton> ah, good
[23:44] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah.  There'll be a nouveau testing day at the sprint, so bring whatever nvidia you've got that's easily portable :).
[23:46] <RAOF> Sarvatt: As for -dri-experimental… I was thinking of just dropping it entirely, given it's current contents will be folded into -dri.  If you'd like i915g in there I guess that's ok :)


[00:15] <nixternal> I just love going and working on a clients system, doing the updates, making sure everything is working OK, leave, and then an hour later get a call saying "I just rebooted and it is saying something about Power Manager not configured"
[00:16] <nixternal> this guy has 50 Gutsy boxes....10 are Kubuntu and the rest are Ubuntu, all of them the same spec, and now he calls me saying that the Ubuntu boxes are complaining of this power manager issue
[00:16] <nixternal> now I am sitting in class ignaoring all phone calls :)
[00:21] <blizzzek-kde4> gn8
[00:26] <txwikinger> why didn't you configure the power manager then nixternal? :)
[00:42] <nixternal> because it was working before I left
[00:46] <txwikinger> nixternal: where is the memory leak in KDE?
[00:46] <nixternal> where isn't the memory leak in KDE is the better question
[00:46] <nixternal> that is, if you are referring to KDE 4?
[00:46] <txwikinger> :D
[00:46] <txwikinger> I had KDE4 running on my test machine for a couple of weeks without doing anything
[00:47] <txwikinger> Today the load was 39
[00:47] <txwikinger> plasma had almost 800MB
[00:47] <txwikinger> but KDE3 on gutsy is not clean either
[00:48] <nixternal> I get a leak every now and then in KDE 4, typically when using Konqueror to edit wiki pages is when I notice it
[00:48] <txwikinger> I have all my processes go into D status all the time
[00:48] <nixternal> but it is neat, I can watch it get to a point and then clean itself up
[00:48] <nixternal> I would type an entire sentence, wait a few seconds and then it would appear
[00:50] <txwikinger> yes I have that all the time
[00:50] <txwikinger> xorg is using 1871MB
[00:51] <txwikinger> I wonder if it makes sense to forward koffice2 craches with backtraces that missing debug symbols to kde
[00:52] <nixternal> check #koffice
[00:52] <nixternal> I think they do want people to send in bug reports, but for missing debug symbols, you would think they know about it
[00:53] <nixternal> uh oh..I have to give a talk in class about Rapid Application Development...so glad I read my PyQt4 book :p
[00:53] <txwikinger> I will give a talk about bug triage in the next LUG meet
[00:54] <nixternal> the professor keeps talking about VB...so I bet I can make up stuff and tell him that is how we do it with "Linux" :)
[00:54] <nixternal> you know, bug triage is a really good LUG topic
[00:54] <txwikinger> well python and pyqt works on the evil empire machines too
[00:55] <nixternal> I might through together a proposal to give a couple of bug talks
[00:55] <nixternal> I started my first PyQt app today, and I got quite a bit finished already
[08:05] <apache|mobile> Riddell: wallpaper configuration working properly via kiosk. kubuntu-default-settings-kde4 are going to be prepared this very afternoon. This message wasn't written by me either by a1ex.
[08:10] <apache|mobile> that last sentence sounds strange
[08:11]  * apache|mobile notes to never let a1ex write messages again
[09:19] <emonkey> lol
[09:19] <emonkey> apache|mobile, good morning
[09:19] <apache|mobile> ahoy emonkey
[09:34] <mhb> apache|mobile: a1ex? what's that?
[09:35] <mhb> is it a human or a robot minion of yours?
[09:40] <Riddell> apache|mobile: what needed to be done?
[09:41] <apache|mobile> mhb: human robot I'd say ;-)
[09:42] <apache|mobile> Riddell: well, was a bit too fast, plasma isn't exactly dynamic in 0.1
[09:42] <apache|mobile> we just need to create a kde4rc in /etc/
[09:42] <apache|mobile> set the Directories-default and that's it
[09:42]  * apache|mobile needs to restart kde
[09:44] <apache|mobile> I just broke my systray :S
[09:46] <apache|mobile> Riddell: for plasma we need to talk to aseigo, right now it's having some issues - one can't just configure the desktop containment (panel wouldn't load), also it is necessary to set fixed geometry values for panel applets
[10:30] <buz> i'm wondering about the printer auto installation
[10:30] <buz> shouldnt it perhaps ask for paper size? printing letter on a4 looks kinda weird
[10:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure how that's done, I would hope it was done through locale settings
[10:32] <buz> switzerland certainly does not use letter
[10:32] <Riddell> quite right too
[10:32] <buz> does anyone outside the us even use it?
[10:33] <Riddell> couldn't say
[10:33] <buz> seems like it would be best if it asked
[10:33] <apache|mobile> nah
[10:33] <apache|mobile> should use KDE default setting
[10:33] <buz> where would i find that
[10:34] <buz> yeah paper format is set to a4
[10:35] <emonkey> hey buz, cheers from Winterthur
[10:35] <buz> hehe cheers from Thalwil :P
[10:36] <emonkey> :)
[10:36] <buz> so i'm not the only kde users in switzerland :P
[10:36] <emonkey> definitely not, there are a lot. :)
[10:37] <buz> most linux using friends insist on gnome being so much better *shakeshead*
[10:37] <buz> and the rest use those minimal thingies like fluxbox
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:40] <buz> mpf systray is acting up again
[10:40] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[10:40] <Riddell> Nightrose, apache|mobile: http://dot.kde.org/1202415649/
[10:41] <buz> i couldnt get it to play music but then again it's pretty broken on linux too
[10:41] <apache|mobile> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:54] <mornfall> Hi. Anyone got a link handy to current adept 2.x source package? (The patched kubuntu one.)
[10:55] <mornfall> I'd like to check how is the lock recovery implemented...
[10:56] <Riddell> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/adept/2.1.3ubuntu23
[10:56] <mornfall> Thanks.
[11:05] <mornfall> Hm. What is the idea behind dynamic_cast< QObject * >( this )?
[11:14] <Riddell> mornfall: I think that patch was by manchicken
[11:15] <mornfall> It's used in several places. I was just curious, since that is a noop at best.
[11:15] <Riddell> network-manager 0.7 in my ppa if anyone wants to test, it didn't work for me (but neither did the gnome applet)
[11:15] <mornfall> (And it could have been a static_cast too, since it's up-cast...)
[12:03] <mhb> can you make use of the default KDE icon set in Qt apps?
[12:04] <mhb> (methinks not, but I wish to be wrong)
[12:05] <Riddell> you can but you have to load from absolute paths
[12:13] <mhb> hmm, well with the inconsistency of Crystal and Oxygen it makes little sense anyway
[12:14] <ForgeAus> whats the point of having Adept become more like Synaptic when theres a Kynaptic project?
[12:14] <mhb> who's making adept more like synaptic?
[12:14] <ForgeAus> well its lots more like it than it was in edgy anyhow
[12:14] <ForgeAus> I didn't get aquainted with adept pre-edgy
[12:15] <mhb> adept 3.0 is even more further away from Synaptic
[12:15] <Riddell> I think you're confusing adept manager with adept installer
[12:16] <ForgeAus> good to hear mhb :)
[12:24] <mornfall> Whee?
[12:40] <apachelogger__> Riddell: should kds-kde4 become part of kds or get it's own source package?
[12:41] <Riddell> apachelogger__: I'd just keep the same source package
[12:41] <Riddell> a different binary though
[12:41] <apachelogger__> k
[12:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I haven't been following the details, but it seems like there are some different package naming conventions we're using from Debian with the KDE4 stuff.  If you can get some of them to UDS, a spec for Hardy +1 to get things harmonized would, I think, but really useful.
[12:55] <Riddell> ScottK: they're entirely different, since we want kde 3 and 4 to be co-installable
[12:55] <Riddell> I expect we'll change that in future
[12:56] <ScottK> Right.  Sounds like good work for UDS?
[12:56] <Riddell> yes indeed
[12:58] <mhb> so the plan is to drop KDE3 from the repos completely in hardy+1?
[12:58] <Riddell> we don't have a plan, that's what UDS is for
[12:58] <mhb> ok
[12:58] <mhb> I thought you may have decided it at the last one
[12:59] <buz> i dont see kde4 being ready to replace kde3 completely by fall
[12:59] <apachelogger__> right, making plans without me :P
[12:59] <mhb> r
[12:59] <mhb> apachelogger__: that's politics :o)
[12:59] <ScottK> mhb: We've already got a substantially different plan than what we had a UDS.
[12:59]  * apachelogger__ notes that setteling on favorites for kickoff is one awful thing to do... we probably should do this in a post-inst
[13:00]  * Hobbsee grumbles at the idea of kde4 and uds
[13:00] <apachelogger__> or kickoff could just not display broken entries ;-)
[13:00] <Hobbsee> the session i was most looking forward to w.r.t that i did'nt even get to attend!
[14:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey :)
[14:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yop !
[14:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I plan on doing kdmtheme tonight, I've gotten some $@³¼$ work out of the way (it has benn bugging me for the past week)
[14:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I may not be there toonight, but I'll connected all the we in case you might need informations
[14:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I plan to release a kdesudo-kde4 saturday
[14:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cool
[14:32] <Tonio_> :)
[14:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh nice :) - did you code the dialogs from scratch, or were you able to subclass something existing?
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: toma helped me to remove the inheritance making the dialog a member of the class and also helped on the big problem, which was writting to the process stdin
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the new kprocess doesn't have a method for that yet, which was my issue
[14:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that required specific qt4 knowledge I don't, of course, have
[14:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: okay then :) - well its cool it came that far despite the troubles !
[14:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep :)
[14:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: now I have to do the Xauthority things and compatibility with kde4 kdesu
[14:35] <Tonio_> all that I can do
[14:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, I guess its just old wine on new bottles kinda thing..
[14:42] <ForgeAus> that reminds me I need to install crossover :)
[15:45] <ScottK> Debian klamav maintainer just agreed to let me take it, so I'm going to push our package up to Debian.
[16:18] <txwikinger> apachelogger__: Any more kde4 bugs that need forwarding?
[16:22] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:22] <Jucato> moin nixternal
[16:22] <nixternal> go ScottK go!
[16:22] <nixternal> muhahaha...
[16:23] <jpatrick> where?
[16:23] <nixternal> I am exploiting the hell out of our community for educational benefit :)
[16:23] <nixternal> he is the new Debian klamav maintainer
[16:23] <jpatrick> ah, right, cool :)
 Debian klamav maintainer just agreed to let me take it, so I'm going to push our package up to Debian.
[17:11] <manchicken> mornfall: That's a side-effect of an anal programmer whose C++ is weak trying to get rid of warnings :)
[17:12] <manchicken> It shut up the warnings :)
[17:12] <manchicken> And it did work :)
[17:18] <_Shade_> hi there
[17:18] <_Shade_> is there any issue with mp3 support in hardy on 64 bit boxes?
[17:27] <jpatrick> _Shade_: not that I know of..
[17:28] <_Shade_> jpatrick: i have no mp3 support as well as restricted video formats and sound in flash
[17:29] <jpatrick> _Shade_: have you installed libxime1-ffmpeg?
[17:31] <jpatrick> !info libxine1-ffmpeg | _Shade_
[17:31] <ubotu> _shade_: libxine1-ffmpeg (source: xine-lib): mpeg related plugins for libxine1. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 435 kB, installed size 908 kB
[17:33] <_Shade_> jpatrick: i'm just trying to install it but it seems there's no such package for hardy
[17:34] <jpatrick> _Shade_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:35] <_Shade_> oh typo, sorry
[17:36] <jpatrick> my fault, I made the mistake first
[17:38] <_Shade_> jpatrick: ok it seems to "play" it now, the only thing is that i had change the sound server before so i think i need to log in again to get it working
[17:39] <jpatrick> _Shade_: yes, I think a restart of the sound server is necessary to make it pick up the new plugin
[17:41] <_Shade_> jpatrick: oops no sound at all now... how do i get back to arts?
[17:41] <jpatrick> "< jpatrick> _Shade_: yes, I think a restart of the sound server is necessary to make it pick up the new plugin"
[17:42] <jpatrick> _Shade_: set it in System Settings
[17:42] <_Shade_> there's no ARTS there
[17:42] <jpatrick> kde4?
[17:42] <_Shade_> only alsa, open sound system etc
[17:42] <_Shade_> kde3
[17:43] <jpatrick> _Shade_: yeah, pick alsa
[17:43] <_Shade_> ok testing :)
[17:44] <jpatrick> apply and happy listening
[17:44] <_Shade_> something weird is happening
[17:45] <_Shade_> i clicked apply and the dialog appeared saying "restarting the sound server"... it reaches 100% and doing it again and again
[17:45] <jpatrick> just let it finish
[17:46] <_Shade_> well it seems to finish and then the progress bar is at 0 again and going up to 100 :)
[17:48] <_Shade_> btw i don't know if it's hardy or the 64 bit version (which is rather doubtful but who knows) but it is damn fast
[17:59] <_Shade_> jpatrick: ok i had no sound after the server restart because the alsamixer had the output set to zero :)
[18:00] <_Shade_> now everything seems to be ok, thanks
[18:00] <jpatrick> _Shade_: aha, glad that's fixed :)
[18:02] <_Shade_> jpatrick: if this is enough to install the package you mentioned... does it make sense to install ubuntu-restricted-extras at all?
[18:03] <jpatrick> _Shade_: i'd install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:05] <smarter_> jpatrick: !!!
[18:05] <_Shade_> i discovered a bug by the way :)
[18:06] <jpatrick> smarter_: ?
[18:06] <smarter_> jpatrick: just wanted to say hello in an original way :)
[18:06] <_Shade_> if you plug the removable device in and the hal window appears and you chose to browse its contents, it says that the media device is a file, and not a folder
[18:07] <smarter_> jpatrick: how is it going?
[18:07] <jpatrick> smarter_: bonjour, ça va?
[18:07] <smarter_> jpatrick: bien et toi?
[18:07] <jpatrick> smarter_: tres bien
[18:07] <nixternal> wow, I can actually understand what you are saying
[18:07] <mhb> should I try?
[18:07] <jpatrick> _Shade_: won't be able to confirm, don't have hardy or removeable media
[18:08] <jpatrick> nixternal: c'est tres facil :p
[18:08] <mhb> nixternal: I can make you understand nothing quite easily :o)
[18:08] <smarter_> jpatrick: do you have some time to re-re-ack bespin and kepas? :}
[18:09] <jpatrick> smarter_: what did you break this time?? :D
[18:09] <nixternal> mhb: something hit me last night...you will be within walking distance of UDS and I am jealous!
[18:09] <_Shade_> jpatrick: i can lend borrow you one :)
[18:09] <smarter_> jpatrick: for bespin nothing, some guy didn't know that Library GPL == Lesser GPL
[18:10] <jpatrick> smarter_: oh, you removed a space
[18:10] <smarter_> very important :)
[18:10] <jpatrick> smarter_: hehe
[18:10] <mhb> nixternal: definitely not walking distance, but still, you're right :o)
[18:11] <smarter_> jpatrick: for kepas, the package revision didn't explicitely said that it was repacked
[18:11] <jpatrick> smarter_: je peux voir... that
[18:11] <smarter_> ça? :)
[18:12] <jpatrick> smarter_: was thinking to much spanish :)
[18:13] <jpatrick> _Shade_: lend borrow me?
[18:14] <_Shade_> err lend or borrow? :)
[18:14] <_Shade_> i had to sleep on english lessons or what :)
[18:15] <jpatrick> ah, right
[18:15] <_Shade_> so i can LEND you if you want :P
[18:27] <smarter_> could someone running hardy please try this: http://pastebin.com/d6fe52a52 and report what is the output of ./qtsql ?
[18:28] <smarter_> expected result: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QPSQL7 QPSQL QMYSQL3 QMYSQL QSQLITE QSQLITE2"(according to bug #179261), result on my system: "QSqlDatabase: available drivers:"
[18:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179261 in qt4-x11 "libqt4-sql does not include QODBC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179261
[18:28] <stdin> smarter_: lucky you, I've been working on that today and may have a fix :)
[18:28] <smarter_> stdin: really?
[18:28] <smarter_> that's cool :)
[18:28] <smarter_> it prevents me from using qdevelop which I'm also packaging :/
[18:28] <stdin> yep, I have a new Qt in my PPA you can try
[18:29] <smarter_> I'll try
[18:29] <stdin> you just need to install libqt4-plugin-odbc
[18:29] <stdin> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu hardy main
[18:31] <stdin> you need to load the plugin though, QPluginLoader plugin("/usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlodbc.so")
[18:31] <stdin> or else build it directly into libQtSql
[18:32] <manchicken> So is there something I can install (e.g. kubuntu4-desktop) that'll just install kde4 desktop?
[18:33] <stdin> manchicken: kde4-core is a good start :)
[18:33] <stdin> there isn't a "kubuntu" meta-package yet
[18:33] <manchicken> Didn't quite think so.
[18:35] <nixternal> apachelogger__: how do you setup plasma panel to do the double rows?
[18:37] <stdin> smarter: http://stdin.pastebin.com/df5995fc seems to work foe me now
[18:38] <smarter> stdin: works here too, thanks :)
[18:38]  * stdin makes a debdiff
[18:38] <smarter> what did you changed to make it work?
[18:39] <stdin> smarter: added an option to build odbc as a plugin (after fixing the configure script to detect it)
[18:40] <stdin> then just packaged it as libqt4-plugin-odbc :)
[19:26] <Nightrose> Riddell: thx @ dot :)
[19:37] <mhb> Nightrose: that was one freaky interview
[19:37] <Nightrose> mhb: hehe yea
[19:37] <Nightrose> but good wasn´t it?
[19:37] <mhb> sure
[19:37] <Riddell> I don't understand why they interviewed him
[19:38] <Riddell> surely they should be interviewing gentoo people
[19:38] <Nightrose> Riddell: the one who did the interview is a freind of markey
[19:38] <Nightrose> *friend
[19:39] <Nightrose> and besides...
[19:39] <Nightrose> it is not any official gentoo newsletter
[19:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:40] <Nightrose> I just think it was nicer than the usual interview with standard questions
[19:40] <Nightrose> more natural
[19:41] <Nightrose> Riddell: meh - now i have this strange font thing in konqueror as well
[19:41] <Nightrose> narf
[19:53] <smarter> jpatrick: ping
[19:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm going up for core-dev on Tuesday (2000 UTC) and if you can, it'd be nice to have you show up and speak in favor.
[19:56] <nixternal> I will show up and speak
[19:56] <jpatrick> ScottK: +1 from me :)
[19:56] <nixternal> only if fed though...I am starving and I don't have food :/
[19:56] <jpatrick> smarter: I'm on it
[19:58] <jpatrick> yay, kde-style-domino got through Debian NEW
[19:58] <Riddell> ScottK: how exciting
[19:58] <nixternal> make it earlier and I will stay up for it tonight :)
[19:59] <ScottK> Riddell: I didn't ask you to sponsor me when I applied because you hadn't sponsored any Main uploads for me, but since then you have...
[19:59] <Riddell> ScottK: remind me again which?
[20:00] <mhb> mmm, core-dev
[20:00] <mhb> the ambiguity
[20:01] <mhb> it actually means "core packager", but they make it sound like "most. important. ever." :o)
[20:02] <ScottK> Riddell: python-qt3, python-qt4, and scribus.
[20:02] <Riddell> ScottK: all good packages!
[20:02] <ScottK> That's what I wanted to hear.
[20:02] <ScottK> ;-)
[20:02] <Riddell> mhb: tech board do require a commitment to helping with the core goals of ubuntu, rather than just packaging
[20:03] <mhb> Riddell: what I mean is: this tier system is a good way of giving credit to important people, but I find it rather packager-centric
[20:04] <nixternal> core-dev is the most important evern in the distro world, w/o it we wouldn't have main, we would have 4 guys sweating over universe, 2 or 3 pushing their non-free garbage to multiverse, and Canonical pushing Parallels :p
[20:04] <nixternal> had to take the cheap shot
[20:07] <mhb> say you are a great artist and you really are able to do the best icons for Ubuntu, yet you are not labeled as a part of the core just because the label is for packagers only
[20:07] <nixternal> but core-dev is just that, the actual developers, not the artists, documentation writers, LoCo members, and such
[20:08] <mhb> hmm
[20:08] <mhb> not developers
[20:08] <mhb> packagers
[20:08] <nixternal> why not developers? they develop do they not?
[20:08] <mhb> you can't get there if you never made a package
[20:08] <nixternal> or developed a package
[20:08] <mhb> which is okay, there's little point of being there if you never made a package
[20:09] <nixternal> you can't get there if you have never done package development
[20:09] <mhb> yep
[20:09] <mhb> in the normal world
[20:09] <nixternal> typically you go from contributor -> MOTU -> core-dev
[20:09] <mhb> do you call people who make packages "developers"?
[20:09] <mhb> no
[20:09] <nixternal> I do
[20:09] <mhb> you cal them "maintainers
[20:09] <mhb> "
[20:09] <mhb> call
[20:09] <nixternal> do you call people who make houses, cars, and candy bars developers? they do
[20:09] <mhb> or "packagers"
[20:10] <nixternal> developer: a person who develops
[20:10] <nixternal> doesn't say what they develop
[20:10] <nixternal> being a packager requires more than just doing a copyright, control, changelog, and such
[20:10] <nixternal> you have to at least understand 1 or more languages to create patches, develop install scripts, and such
[20:11] <mhb> what I mean is:
[20:11] <mhb> you label a set of people that are packagers "core developers"
[20:11] <mhb> what about all the other people that make significant contributions, but are not packagers?
[20:11] <nixternal> they are the core developers for one reason, all of their work is in main, ie. what makes our *buntu installs work
[20:11] <mhb> do they have a "core artist", "core marketing person" labels?
[20:11] <mhb> no
[20:12] <nixternal> what about them? they can strive to become a core-developer
[20:12] <mhb> you're not counting them as part of the "core"
[20:12] <jpatrick> we have code-doc :)
[20:12] <nixternal> what are they contributing to the core?
[20:12] <mhb> nixternal: so you think they're not important now?
[20:12] <nixternal> I think everyone is important
[20:13] <mhb> nixternal: well not, you refuse to label their work as important unless they do packages
[20:13] <mhb> it's not the core, it's some outer assistance, who cares...
[20:13] <mhb> that's not true, but I'm trying to show that labels are dangerous
[20:13] <nixternal> labels are for materialistic people I guess... I could care less what the label is, just do the work and have fun
[20:14] <nixternal> contributing it contributing, it all has its importance, of course some are more important than others
[20:14] <mhb> nixternal: well, yes
[20:14] <nixternal> the core extends from the "core packages"
[20:14] <mhb> nixternal: but are those labeled as "core developers" more valuable than others?
[20:14] <nixternal> they can be, yes
[20:14] <mhb> of course they can
[20:14] <mhb> but are they?
[20:15] <nixternal> I think so
[20:15] <nixternal> w/o them, then what do we do?
[20:16] <mhb> you see
[20:16] <nixternal> would be no jobs for marketing if we didn't have core people working on core packages, no need for documentation, no need for, well anybody really
[20:17] <nixternal> every community has them, every company has them
[20:17] <mhb> "core developers" are definitely more important than "sometime packager"
[20:17] <nixternal> true
[20:18] <mhb> nixternal: but you cannot really say that I (who tries to avoid packages) am less important than them, because we do incomparable work
[20:18] <ScottK> nixternal: Does this remind you of the eternal "Who's the most important guy on the ship?  The ones in combat or engineering?" argument?
[20:18] <nixternal> hahahhaha
[20:18] <mhb> but still, you said a while ago that they are more important than me.
[20:19] <nixternal> nobody is more important than you mhb :)
[20:19] <nixternal> put it this way, your work would definitely be useless w/o the core developers
[20:19] <mhb> "core developers" is actually a label that says "most important"
[20:19] <mhb> that's what it means
[20:19] <ScottK> mhb: They key thing about core-dev is being trusted to upload anything into the archive.  I think that is mostly about packaging and judgement, but ability to understand code is important too.
[20:20] <nixternal> no it isn't, it is a label that says "hey, I have proven myself competent, trustworthy enough to work on the core packages of *buntu"
[20:20] <mhb> there's not a word about packages in there
[20:20] <mhb> it's just "core developers"
[20:20] <nixternal> anyone can be a developer
[20:20] <mhb> and that's what I'm pretty upset about :o)
[20:20] <mhb> right
[20:20] <ScottK> Not that the other skill sets aren't equally important, but they're somewhat orthogonal to the "Do I trust you to be able to upload anything?" question.
[20:20] <mhb> but not anyone can be a "core developer"
[20:20] <nixternal> but that doesn't mean they are working on the core of ubuntu
[20:20] <mhb> just packagers
[20:21] <nixternal> so you are saying then is that packagers aren't developers..is that what you are trying to distinguish?
[20:21] <mhb> not all developers are packagers, yes
[20:21] <mhb> but all people labeled as "core developers" are packagers
[20:21] <ScottK> nixternal: We're just monkeys stuffing coders marvelous code into packages.
[20:21] <mhb> which means all developers who're not packagers are not part of the core
[20:21] <nixternal> I guess so
[20:22] <nixternal> packagers are developers though
[20:22] <mhb> sure
[20:22] <Tm_T> nixternal: hi :))
[20:22] <Tm_T> and hi to others too
[20:23] <nixternal> marketing people are developers, documentation writers are developers, artists are developers
[20:23] <mhb> right
[20:23] <mhb> but noone is part of the core unless he does packages
[20:23] <mhb> and that's what I find silly.
[20:23] <nixternal> they can contribute to the core, but they don't maintain or control the core
[20:23] <Tm_T> even us "irritating users" are developers ;--P
[20:26] <mhb> well, back to being a totally worthless guy :o)
[20:27] <mhb> ScottK: good luck tomorrow (or when it starts)
[20:27] <mhb> ah, splendid
[20:28] <ScottK> mhb: It's Tuesday.  Thanks.
[20:31] <mhb> http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=updatetd0.png
[20:31] <mhb> I'm still struggling with the idea of making a new "Update your computer" icon
[20:32] <nixternal> that icon reminds me of a "syncronization" icon or such
[20:32] <mhb> hrm.
[20:33] <nixternal> though I have noticed that many OSs and applications tend to use it for an updating symbol though
[20:33] <mhb> yes
[20:33] <nixternal> would be better if it was animated
[20:33] <mhb> I've managed to make sure KDE is using a different icon for "Refresh" and "Reboot"
[20:34] <nixternal> otherwise I would think it is just a quick launch for my synchronization application
[20:35] <mhb> hrm.
[20:36] <ScottK> Maybe a small explosion (click on this or your computer will melt).
[20:36] <nixternal> http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/omt/imgs/updates/mac_update1.jpg
[20:36] <nixternal> like something along the lines of the image in the top left of the mac updater
[20:38] <mhb> I can't really say the "globe" helps
[20:38] <mhb> what does it mean?
[20:38] <nixternal> software updating
[20:38] <nixternal> granted I would think of "webpage refreshing" with it
[20:38] <mhb> I don't really associate a globe with software
[20:38] <nixternal> something like a software box with those arrows
[20:39] <nixternal> or the package icon used with Adept
[20:39] <mhb> what you should tell is "you're refreshing your desktop"
[20:39] <mhb> but not rebooting
[20:39] <nixternal> reboot icon should be a boot with the letters "RE" superimposed :p
[20:39] <mhb> heh, that'd be too english-centric
[20:39] <nixternal> true
[20:40] <nixternal> but set it up like the keyboard locales with the flags
[20:40] <nixternal> each LANG gets its own meaning :)
[20:40] <mhb> I'm not sure how you say "reboot" in Germand, but it would be something with "wieder"
[20:44] <mhb> aaah, inspiration
[20:44] <jpatrick> http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&service=en-de&opterrors=0&optpro=0&query=reboot&iservice=&comment=
[20:44] <nixternal> ~hehe
[20:44] <nixternal> wow, just made a laugh a destructor...WATCH OUT!
[20:48] <jpatrick> great website that^^
[20:49] <nixternal> I love how our professor tries to trick us with "Explain why requirements models are logical models rather than physical models."
[20:50] <jjesse> i use imaginary numbers then
[20:50] <nixternal> lol
[20:50] <Tm_T> nixternal: any news about our shipment?
[20:50] <nixternal> haven't gotten anything yet Tm_T
[20:50] <Tm_T> roger :)
[20:51] <Tm_T> I will be bit "away" for some time (lost my adsl connection perhaps for a week) :-P
[20:51] <nixternal> ouch
[20:54] <mhb> argh
[21:01] <mhb> http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9233/update1ca9.png
[21:01] <mhb> guess what made me sad
[21:02] <Tm_T> me?
[21:02] <mhb> no, I mean after I looked at the picture
[21:03] <Tm_T> mmmgh, still me?
[21:03] <mhb> close, but no
[21:04] <jpatrick> the fact that it's our logo?
[21:04] <smarter> mhb: It's the kanonical logo? :)
[21:05] <mhb> smarter: yeah.
[21:05] <mhb> I felt at first that a cycle with our colours would do a good update icon
[21:06] <mhb> a) it's a cycle, symbol of refreshing, updating b) it still resembles Kubuntu, i.e. that what is to be updated
[21:07] <mhb> but I guess canonical would protest, so I have to build on this idea a little more
[21:17] <mhb> http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7384/update2gt9.png
[21:17] <mhb> I think I'm getting close
[21:18] <mhb> so, do you like the idea?
[21:18] <mhb> of course, the implementation is crude
[21:24] <Nightrose> hmm i think something is wrong with ktorrent kde4´s desktop file - I can´t open a torrent with it from within firefox and when i download it and open it from dolphin I get an error and ktoorent gets opened with the torrent correctly - can someone try confirm that?
[21:25] <Nightrose> +to
[21:26] <mhb> arr, torrents be bad for your health :o)
[21:26] <mhb> nah, just kidding. I can't.
[21:27] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:27] <Nightrose> I wnatz my torrentz *g*
[21:27] <Nightrose> well it works when I download them and open from dolphin - but that is not really comfortable
[21:44] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken
[21:44] <_StefanS_> manchicken: still working on adept for kde3?
[21:45] <manchicken> I haven't been for a while.
[21:57] <jpatrick> smarter: you may want to add another user id to your key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for example)
[21:58] <smarter> jpatrick: I've an ID for my @ubuntu and @gmail address
[21:58] <smarter> but I don't think I send the @ubuntu one online
[21:59] <jpatrick> hmm
[21:59] <smarter> And I hope that spammers don't read ubuntu irc logs :)
[22:00] <jpatrick> don't worry, @ubuntu addresses get spammed anyway
[22:00]  * coreymon77 writes down the emails on his spam list
[22:01] <jpatrick> hi vorian
[22:01] <vorian> hello jpatrick
[22:02] <daskreech> !info lemonpos hardy
[22:02] <ubotu> Package lemonpos does not exist in hardy
[22:02] <vorian> lol
[22:02] <daskreech> !info lemonpos-kde4 hardy
[22:02] <ubotu> Package lemonpos-kde4 does not exist in hardy
[22:02] <daskreech> grrr
[22:02] <vorian> err
[22:02] <jpatrick> daskreech: it's in NEW
[22:02] <vorian> !info kgrab-kde4
[22:02] <ubotu> Package kgrab-kde4 does not exist in gutsy
[22:03] <vorian> !info kgrab-kde4 hardy
[22:03] <ubotu> Package kgrab-kde4 does not exist in hardy
[22:03] <daskreech> ah ok :)
[22:03] <vorian> silly ubotu
[22:03] <vorian> very exciting though :)
[22:03] <vorian> i'll have to open a little store so I can use it
[22:04]  * daskreech has one you can borrow
[22:04] <vorian> really?
[22:04] <vorian> is it mexico too?
[22:04] <vorian> :D
[22:04] <daskreech> >_>
[22:04] <daskreech> <_<
[22:05] <daskreech> Not if the wrong people ask
[22:05] <vorian> haha
[22:12] <jpatrick> !yay | jp's first package in Debian<EMAIL_ADDRESS>\o/
[22:12] <ubotu> jp's first package in Debian<EMAIL_ADDRESS>\o/: Glad you made it! :-)
[22:13] <vorian> congrats jpatrick :)
[22:13] <smarter> jpatrick: congrats :)
[22:13] <jpatrick> still have to get the other 6 in my todo in but, oh well :) thanks
[22:14] <smarter> jpatrick: I'm still not sure what I should do with the oxygen cursor set
[22:14] <jpatrick> smarter: what did apachelogger_ say?
[22:14] <smarter> the package is now in sid(http://packages.debian.org/sid/oxygencursors) but the package has a still a not standard name and some .svgs files left in the .diff.gz
[22:15] <smarter> apachelogger_: what did you say? :)
[22:16] <jpatrick> smarter: I think merging the package from sid in and making the necessary changes would be the best way
[22:45] <jpatrick> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55282/ - heh, we have a whole row of Kubuntu devs now :)
[22:48] <jpatrick> I'm off to bed, night!
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> night
[22:49] <smarter> 'night mate
[22:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: kubuntu bingo?
[22:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: and looks like you're the winner at the top!
[23:42]  * nosrednaekim has added himself as a agenda item :)
[23:46] <Riddell> yay
[23:46] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: got a wiki page?
[23:46] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[23:47] <nosrednaekim> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Nosrednaekim


[00:08] <wiill> I have a hard drive question, a process is abusing I/O operations on my drive, is there any way to find out which one it is, also, it doesn
[00:08] <wiill> 't show in System Activity
[01:57] <daniel___> hello?
[02:06] <ScottyK> greetings! is there a program in KDE that one can use to mount iso's (like MagicISO in Windows)??
[02:10] <jds> AcetoneISO, Furius ISO, GmountISO
[02:12] <amason_> ScottyK: not specific to kde but if you can also do it from the cli with mount -t iso9660 foo.iso ./mount_point
[02:21] <ScottyK> amason_ - what would the mount point look like normally?
[02:24] <amason_> ScottyK: well it's just whatever directory you want it to appear as
[02:24] <amason_> like if i wanted the contents of the cd to appear in /home/bob/mycd then that would be my mount point
[02:25] <ScottyK> ah, I get it! Thanks...
[02:30] <daniel___> .
[02:31] <daniel___> greeting! is there a way to improve frame per second? I have a NVIDIA card  GTX550  and Iam getting 3 to 4 FPS in spring game.
[02:50] <DarthFrog> !nvidia | daniel___
[02:50] <daniel___> thanks
[04:15] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Does anyone here have Compiz working under KDE? I get segmentation faults when trying to start it (or CCSM).
[05:12] <OxDeadC0de> contrast: I do except I'm on 10.04 still :P
[05:12] <contrast> OxDeadC0de: Which version of KDE?
[05:12] <OxDeadC0de> 4.4.5
[05:22] <contrast> Yeah, I read something that indicated Compiz doesn't work on recent versions of KDE. I'm looking for evidence to the contrary though. :P
[05:28] <skreech_> Sysinfo for 'skreech-desktop': Linux 3.2.0-24-generic-pae running KDE Development Platform 4.8.90 (4.8.90), CPU: AMDPhenomIIX61055T at 800 MHz (5618 bogomips), HD: 1254/1402GB, RAM: 3727/3987MB, 258 proc's, 6.0d up
[05:28] <skreech_> Huh
[05:28] <skreech_> That works
[05:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:36] <Smurphy> Morning
[06:54] <skreech__> Morning
[06:54] <cbb> Good morning all
[06:54] <skreech__> Hello
[07:06] <ussher_> hello
[07:07] <camelot> hello..
[07:08] <cbb> Anything new anyone?
[07:11] <ussher_> like what?  got a new SSD yesterday....
[07:12] <cbb> well that is interesting, which SSD?
[07:13] <ussher_> made me laugh because my local server's drive died.  it was a 20GB drive and when i went to one store to get a replacement the smallest they had was a 2TB drive.  Got a 60GB SSD instead
[07:14] <ussher_> its an OCZ 60gb
[07:15] <cbb> so the smallest they had was a 2TB disk? was it supposed to be a system disk or+
[07:16] <cbb> i see why you bought yourself a ssd instead.
[07:16] <ussher_> the smallest HDD drive they had was 2TB.  That is a big jump in space when the 20GB wasnt close to full
[07:17] <ussher_> its just for a local server i use for testing stuff before uploading it to a live server
[07:17] <ussher_> "got nothing smaller?"
[07:19] <cbb> i am currently watching the "latest update on the higgs boson" search from cern. I got to say it is some advanced physics involved there.
[07:21] <ussher_> Just some light viewing to pass the time then...
[07:22] <cbb> What is best to use for connecting to a samba server with username and password?
[07:23] <ussher_> 'installation step failed'. hmmm.
[07:23] <ussher_> i use konqueror and smb://
[07:24] <ussher_> from memory I think you only need to set the username/password once.
[07:27] <hateball> ussher_: you can set it in system settings
[07:27] <hateball> krunner -> search for samba
[07:27] <cbb> thanks, it works great.
[07:28] <hateball> you can set default properties to use
[07:28] <hateball> oh, cbb you had the initial question :)
[07:28] <cbb> yes i did :)
[07:39] <ussher_> cbb: 'higgs boson' thats some heavy stuff.   I just watched part of a youtube video titled "Has the Higgs Boson Finally Been Found?".  the commentator says "lab scientists found hints of the higgs" just as they do a zoom in on a guy cleaning a part.  lol
[07:39] <ussher_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QG1O_EMY4I at 0:37
[07:40] <cbb> Hehe yeah, http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/play_higgs.html
[07:41] <cbb> The webcast is a bit more high detailed.
[07:42] <ussher_> wow.
[07:42] <cbb> It is really interesting, do you agree?
[07:43] <ussher_> its too far above my head to comment.  i normally watch poker to waste time while stuff installs.
[07:43] <ussher_> Its nice to know someone knows that much.
[07:44] <cbb> Well yeah, it is really heavy physics....
[07:45] <ussher_> It looks like there would be some really fun and interesting stuff in there if after you had put in the effort to learn the basic less fun and interesting stuff.
[07:47] <cbb> Well the problem with physics is that you must crunch data for every time you do something, and then you have to analyze everything.
[07:48] <cbb> ussher_: there is a lot of data there.
[07:48] <ussher_> all the data in the universe.
[07:48] <cbb> pretty much
[10:53] <jds> Hey there, is it okay to install packages via apt-get as root?
[10:55] <jds> I was logged in as root (root@box:) when I install gimp. Will there be any problems?
[10:55] <jds> installed*
[10:56] <hateball> You're probably fine
[10:57] <jds> Okay thanks.
[10:59] <Husar> Someone know how to fix metalic sound on some flash sites?
[11:06] <cbb> Husar: What browser are you using?
[11:06] <Husar> Firefox
[11:06] <Husar> and the same on chromium and
[11:07] <Husar> reconq
[11:09] <cbb> Is it only on flash sites?
[11:09] <Husar> cbb: this is something with memcpy
[11:09] <cbb> memcpy? Like the copy memory function in in c?
[11:10] <Husar> cbb: Yes, prpblem is with flash aplications, ex. Sites with sexcam - metalic sounds + cant open right click menu
[11:10] <Husar> and some other for example from google finances
[11:10] <Husar> wait, i givu u link
[11:10] <cbb> sure
[11:11] <Husar> Problem looks like this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=638477#c52
[11:11] <Husar> but this fix do not help
[11:12] <Husar> 1.  http://www.google.com/finance?q=glw - cant open right click menu
[11:13] <Husar> 2. http://showup.tv/malkox
[11:14] <Husar> metalic sound + cant open right click menu
[11:14] <Husar> youtube is working without problems
[11:14] <cbb> Has youtube converted totally to html5?
[11:14] <Husar> no, i have testing with flash
[11:15] <cbb> That is interesting, anyone have any idea how to fix this?
[11:15] <Husar> I have fresh and clean install Kubuntu 12.04, 64bit
[11:16] <cbb> Can you test something? Can you go to wimp.com . launch an video and try to maximize it, tell me what happens.
[11:16] <Husar> sure
[11:17] <Husar> no problems
[11:17] <Husar> sound good
[11:17] <Husar> + can open flash menu
[11:20] <cbb> Okay, I can't seem to figure out what the problem is here. Google finance does not really have a right click menu with a lot of choices...
[11:21] <Husar> cbb: do u check second site with video?
[11:25] <cbb> Yeah.
[11:25] <Husar> And what about metalic sounds?
[11:25] <cbb> Did not hear any.
[11:25] <Husar> hmy
[11:25] <Husar> Ar u on Kubuntu 64?
[11:26] <Husar> I will try record some videos with sound...
[12:13] <ketty> ciao
[12:14] <ketty> ubuntu o kubuntu?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:19] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu support , ketty
[12:20] <Husar> BluesKaj: hi
[12:20] <BluesKaj> hi Husar
[12:21] <Husar> BluesKaj: do u notice any problems with metalic sound in flash applications?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Husar, nor anymore than usually ,by metallic do you mean trebly ?
[12:23] <ketty> ok exist kubuntu in italian?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> not more than usual , rather Husar
[12:24] <BluesKaj> !t | ketty
[12:24] <ketty> !t
[12:24] <ketty> ?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> !it
[12:24] <Husar> yes BluesKaj
[12:24] <Husar> ar u on Kubuntu 64?
[12:25] <ketty> si.. volevo capire su ubuntu in it. si puo parlare di kubuntu?
[12:25] <ketty> !it
[12:33] <BluesKaj> Husar, yes , but when did you notice the change in your sound quality?
[12:34] <Husar> i have always this in some sites
[12:34] <Husar> ex. youtub work greate
[12:34] <Husar> i just uplaod video, will show u in 5-10min
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Husar, do you have a mic connected ?
[12:40] <Husar> no, i do not use mic
[12:40] <Husar> look for this video:
[12:40] <Husar> http://youtu.be/vEdGUP8MWTQ
[12:42] <Husar> if i play video with good sound, ALSA plug-in just not moving, but if i play video(streaming) with metalic sound, ALSA plug-in just crazy
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Husar, uhm, that url doesn't look right
[12:43] <Husar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEdGUP8MWTQ
[12:43] <Husar> + i can right click flash menu on youtube, but no in other
[12:44] <cbb> What does your error log say?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Husar, I don't get any sound on that last youtube URL
[12:55] <jds> Do we have web (html) developers here? I got a question.
[12:56] <Husar> BluesKaj: beacuse there is no sound :D
[12:56] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:56] <Husar> I cant capture sound, dont know why
[12:57] <Husar> But u can see that is something wrong
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Husar, maybe the sound is there but just doesn't play back
[12:57] <Husar> With this girl video, i have very metallic sound
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Husar, so you say .flv files don't playback with audio , but some work on youtube with tinny sound?
[13:00] <Husar> nono
[13:01] <Husar> no audio just video, what i record my screen and upload to youtube (but this is not problem what i want to fix)
[13:01] <Husar> On this video, u can see 2 website what i testing
[13:01] <Husar> youtube + showup
[13:02] <Husar> youtube work greate, googd sound and can open flash sttings menu
[13:02] <Husar> but in showup - sound is very mettalic and i can not open flash settings menu, just show for a second, if i do right click
[13:03] <Husar> additionally, u can se on "Plaeybeck Streams" tab, that ALSA plug-in just crazy whenn i watch showup
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Husar, which browser /
[13:05] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:06] <Husar> all
[13:06] <Husar> i have testing ff, chrom and reconq
[13:08] <BluesKaj> think you have a flash problem
[13:09] <Husar> why me only? :P
[13:10] <Husar> BluesKaj: Can u check one website for sounds?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> if you wish
[13:14] <Husar> BluesKaj: http://showup.tv/Princess23
[13:14] <Husar> just check sound quality
[13:14] <Husar> (to enter, click button on left side)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Husar, I get no sound at all
[13:18] <Husar> do u see this girl? video is playing?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> yes video , no audio
[13:19] <Husar> hmy
[13:19] <Husar> i have audio, but metallic, and this is main problem...
[13:20] <Husar> if i use windows, all is good
[13:20] <Husar> my friedns trying with arch and ubuntu
[13:20] <Husar> and sound work without problem
[13:21] <Husar> ok, what i can do... nothing
[13:22] <Husar> just can wait, and mayby someone fix this in future
[13:22] <Husar> or switch os
[13:22] <Husar> thanks for help
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Husar, maybe my audsio is blocked since i'm not in ukraine or russia
[13:22] <BluesKaj> audio
[13:23] <Husar> :D
[13:23] <Husar> im not ukraine, or russia and have sound
[13:23] <BluesKaj> because youtube flash audio works fine on everything else
[13:24] <Husar> don think that is localisation problem
[13:24] <Husar> im from ireland
[13:24] <Husar> website in poland
[13:24] <Husar> i have use sometimes french vpn
[13:25] <Husar> so... u have problem with this too
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Husar, you don't seem irish to me
[13:26] <Husar> beacuse im not ;p
[13:27] <BluesKaj> that's what i thought ...eastern european background I bet
[13:29] <jds> Was the link you posted an adult site?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> yeah it is , if you let it run long enough , it becomes rather adult
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Husar, from now don't post anymore sites like that pls ..it's against the rules.
[13:53] <Husar> ok
[15:23] <koffer> hy everyone
[15:23] <koffer> I have a problem with wine + mozbackup
[15:23] <koffer> i just migrated from windows and cant run mozbackup in wine to restore my data from my windows mozilla
[15:23] <koffer> I would appriciate the help
[15:48] <BluesKaj> koffer . what mozilla back files are you trying to access?
[15:49] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[15:50] <BluesKaj> err backup files rather . koffer
[15:50] <BluesKaj> hey phoenix_firebrd
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: mozilla tab problem solved?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> it wasn't FF . it was pastebin widget that was at fault .. so I added the pastebin addon to the FF toolbar'
[15:52] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, ^
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: right i remember
[15:54] <BluesKaj> but I also have pastebinit installed as well , so 2 options there
[16:04] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: can you try something?
[16:08] <BluesKaj> depends , i tried something yesterday and had to use the recovery kernel to repair the damage
[16:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: this is very simple
[16:08] <BluesKaj> what is it ?
[16:09] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: we need to add "-new-tab" to the application launch command
[16:10] <BluesKaj> kickoff?
[16:10] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[16:11] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: the command for firefox should be like this "firefox %u -new-tab"
[16:13] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: working?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> nope , suddnely i see why the pastebin wasn't working properly , FF isn't listed in the kickoff/internet ...I removed FF a while back in favour of a newer version , but ti didn't work out , so i reinstalled the installer but the actual application is no longer listed in kickoff ...sstrange
[16:18] <lordievader> Good evening
[16:20] <genii-around> lordievader: Good afternoon!
[16:20] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: create the new entry manually
[16:20] <lordievader> Hey genii-around how are you?
[16:21] <BluesKaj> I did , g but I have something running in FF ..wait
[16:21] <genii-around> lordievader: Fairly well, hiding in my office to avoid the sweltering heat outside, mostly
[16:40] <alexfreewalker> hello
[16:42] <lordievader> Hey alexfreewalker, how are you?
[16:42] <alexfreewalker> I am great thank you, what about you?
[16:43] <lordievader>  Quite allright
[16:45] <alexfreewalker> how good r u in fixing issues in kubuntu?
[16:46] <lordievader> alexfreewalker: Depends on the problem.
[16:47] <alexfreewalker> recently i installed the regular updates, and windows seems to be distorted from the top and some charachters are missing from the title bar
[16:48] <lordievader> alexfreewalker: Phew could be many things, what kind of graphics card do you have?
[16:48] <alexfreewalker> nVidia optimus: intel graphics controller rev 20, and nVidia 310
[16:49] <lordievader> alexfreewalker: Do you have drivers installed for those? Maybe those got corrupted.
[16:50] <alexfreewalker> i have the system installed for a year, and all the sudden things got shitted, I dont know what was the update that did this to my OS, the list is long
[16:51] <lordievader> alexfreewalker: Was there a kernel update (something like linux-image-3.2.something)?
[16:52] <alexfreewalker> le me check the log again
[16:53] <lordievader> alexfreewalker: I'm sorry I have to go, I will be back later. You might try to ask someone else though.
[16:54] <alexfreewalker> okay thx anyway
[16:59] <alexfreewalker> anybody here who can help? please??
[17:16] <sky100> hi..
[17:17] <sky100> everytime i try to install updates .. apper shows up amother instance of this application is running ...
[17:17] <sky100> another*
[17:17] <sky100> cant install any updates
[17:20] <genii-around> sky100: It usually means that the automatic updates is running in the background, so it's best to usually let it finish
[17:52] <lordievader> Good evening
[17:59] <DarthFrog> Can anyone recommend a good, simple accounting program?  I'm trying to convert a buddy to Kubuntu and he needs to replace AccountEdge on his Mac.
[18:02] <alexfreewalker> hey guyz I'm looking for help
[18:03] <genii-around> DarthFrog: The standard is pretty much gnucash. We use "ledger" at work but it's CLI
[18:03] <DarthFrog> !ask
[18:04] <alexfreewalker> okay here is the link that explains my problem in short
[18:04] <alexfreewalker> http://imagebay.us/images/5u5343y9dw9ugun46s6i.jpg
[18:05] <DarthFrog> genii-around: Thanks.  I've passed it on.
[18:07] <alexfreewalker> http://imagebay.us/viewer.php?file=5u5343y9dw9ugun46s6i.jpg
[18:07] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: "You don't have permission to access /images/5u5343y9dw9ugun46s6i.jpg on this server." Additionally a 404 error, etc
[18:08] <alexfreewalker> the UI is kinda distorted, some letters are missing, sometimes things are laggy
[18:08] <alexfreewalker> genii-around second link works
[18:09] <L3top> alexfreewalker: what is the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[18:09] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: Interesting. I had a similar issue quite a while ago but it was fixed by some updates. This happens when running gtk stuff under kde?
[18:09] <genii-around> ( firefox, etc )
[18:10] <genii-around> eg: Same issue occurs if viewing page with Konq?
[18:10] <alexfreewalker> yeah
[18:10] <alexfreewalker> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 18)
[18:10] <alexfreewalker> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 310M] [10de:0a70] (rev ff)
[18:10] <L3top> ding ding
[18:11] <L3top> alexfreewalker: is this a laptop with hybrid graphics?
[18:11] <alexfreewalker> yeah optimus
[18:11] <L3top> optimus
[18:11] <L3top> yeah
[18:11] <L3top> Are you using bumblebee alexfreewalker
[18:11] <alexfreewalker> i had thr OS running for a year, but before yesterday this shit happened after a massive system update
[18:12] <alexfreewalker> i cant figure which update from the log caused this
[18:12] <alexfreewalker> the log is so long
[18:12] <alexfreewalker> yeah i use bumblebee but it often fails
[18:12] <L3top> alexfreewalker: I understand. My guess would be the xorg updates. They tinkered with some fairly fundamental things. What version are you on?
[18:12] <genii-around> Probably to use the xorg-edgers
[18:13] <L3top> yeah... bumblebee is far from "good" but it is the best you got
[18:13] <alexfreewalker> 12.04 precise
[18:13] <L3top> You have been on 12.04 for a year?
[18:14] <alexfreewalker> no i started with 11. someting
[18:14] <L3top> Or did you upgrade to 1204 from what had been working for a year
[18:14] <L3top> ok
[18:14] <alexfreewalker> but 12.04 3 months ago i guess
[18:14] <L3top> Again... my guess is xserver-xorg-core
[18:15] <L3top> and 3 months ago it was good?
[18:15] <L3top> it was not until this current update?
[18:15] <alexfreewalker> yeah smooth
[18:15] <L3top> hmmm
[18:15] <L3top> I don't think anything major changed in that time
[18:15] <L3top> Let me poke around. Will be a few minutes alexfreewalker
[18:15] <alexfreewalker> i can send u the log, but its fucking long
[18:15] <IdleOne> alexfreewalker: please no cursing in here
[18:15] <alexfreewalker> unless u know waht ur looking for
[18:17] <genii-around> Mmm coffee
[18:17] <coffeeboy> so whats up
[18:17] <coffeeboy> running kubuntu 12.04 on a net book
[18:18] <coffeeboy> having difficulty getting power saving to not turn of screen when pluged in
[18:18] <genii-around> coffeeboy: I have it installed on my Acer D260 but find it unbearably slow there
[18:18] <Atak> chillin
[18:18] <alexfreewalker> genii-around: how did u manage to fix the thing with the fontd and graphics?
[18:18] <Atak> im running mint at the moment
[18:18] <coffeeboy> Seems to run snapy on my Acer EEpc1005peb
[18:19] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: It resolved itself after some system updates
[18:19] <alexfreewalker> coffeeboy: power managment sucks on 12.04
[18:19] <coffeeboy> I agree
[18:19] <coffeeboy> are there any work arounds
[18:19] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: I do have some PPAs however, like the xorg-edgers one and some others
[18:20] <coffeeboy> On another note happy 4th to all US peeps
[18:21] <coffeeboy> It is realy hot out today
[18:21] <alexfreewalker> coffeeboy: 11.04 was the best so far, if u want to, u can install it and freeze the update, turn off everything related to system and security updates and it would be the best
[18:22]  * L3top has had great success with 1204, including power management.
[18:22]  * L3top also knows he is in the minority
[18:22] <alexfreewalker> genii-around: how do u add xorg-edgers to your PPA?
[18:23] <coffeeboy> alexfreewalker: I tried 11.04 on this netbook and 12.04 seems to run better outside of the power managment
[18:23] <alexfreewalker> coffeboy: u got my 11.04 messege?
[18:23] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[18:24] <alexfreewalker> coffeboy: haven't tried it non netbooks
[18:24] <alexfreewalker> on*
[18:24] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: Caveat: Use at your own risk
[18:24] <L3top> the 310m is a weird one frankly... I have only ever supported it on Macs.
[18:24] <alexfreewalker> :yao ming: nothing left to be destroyed, system is already f up
[18:24] <coffeeboy> alecfreewalker: Maybe I will give it another try in the comming days and weeks
[18:25] <L3top> alexfreewalker: what is this laptop out of curiosity
[18:25] <alexfreewalker> ASUS U36JC
[18:26] <alexfreewalker> coffeboy: give 10.10 a try
[18:26] <coffeeboy> Other than the power managment thing I had 11.04 maybe on my desktop a while ago and it had an option to set the wallpaper per the current weather conditions
[18:27] <coffeeboy> what happened to the opption?
[18:28] <coffeeboy> alexfreewalker: I will play around with you suggestions, do you remember when the netbook interface was introduced in kde?
[18:28] <alexfreewalker> i have no idea... since my update to 12.04, things got worse, knetattach keeps crashing, synaptics touch pad software keeps crashing, cant save poer managment settings...etc
[18:29] <coffeeboy> Any way we gotta go to a cook out for the 4th with my sister and brother in law
[18:29] <coffeeboy> have a good day and stay cool
[18:29] <alexfreewalker> coffeeboy i dont know when... sorry
[18:29] <alexfreewalker> L3top: any updates?
[18:30] <L3top> alexfreewalker: still looking at things... however... can you please make your laptop mess up and lsmod | grep -Ei '(intel|nvidia)'    presuming you are using the nvidia drivers over the nouveau
[18:31] <alexfreewalker> L3top: u think i should do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[18:31] <L3top> I am trying to figure out which modules are loaded at that time, intel or nvidia
[18:32] <L3top> I think you should sudo apt-get install i965-va-driver   and perhaps uninstall nvidia-current and install nvidia-current-updates
[18:32] <L3top> I tend not to recommend PPAs as they are bleeding edge experimental drivers, and you have a poorly supported graphics situation to begin with.
[18:32] <L3top> With regard to xorg-edgers or x-swat
[18:33] <L3top> All due respect to genii-around
[18:33] <L3top> It would be my last line of attack
[18:33] <alexfreewalker> http://pastebin.com/MgjvF20F
[18:34] <BluesKaj> L3top, glxinfo | grep OpenGL, should tell what's loaded
[18:34]  * genii-around makes more coffee and follows the current line of attack
[18:35] <alexfreewalker> http://pastebin.com/TJkKyLkz
[18:35] <L3top> ty BluesKaj...
[18:36] <alexfreewalker> L3top i ran sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current
[18:37] <L3top> Well... it looks like nvidia is not the culprit here... but the intel driver.
[18:37] <L3top> Do try that accelleration install I gave you and... I would just reboot
[18:38] <alexfreewalker> yes sir!
[18:38] <L3top> but installing nvidia-current-updates is a good idea first lol... the 295.40 driver has a regression issue which is fixed in the updates anyway
[18:41] <BluesKaj> L3top, not sure about 12.04 , but the 302.17 driver is finally updated and working on 12.10
[18:41] <L3top> I am in the middle of a rather dicey global upgrade for my system as well. I am going to have to reboot my core as soon as this last machine finishes its kernel upgrade... so... I will hopefully be right back.
[18:42] <L3top> 302 is a good driver. When 304 hits, anything 4xx+ is going to get a serious boost though... +20% performance -20% power consumption. I am looking very forward to that guy.
[18:43] <genii-around> !info nvidia-current
[18:44] <alexfreewalker> L3top rebooting... brb
[18:46] <L3top> !info nvidia-current-updates
[18:46] <L3top> that... should not be correct.
[18:47] <L3top>   Candidate: 295.49-0ubuntu0.1
[18:47] <L3top> I guess I don't understand how that ubottu works in that circumstance
[18:48] <L3top> I wouldn't expect !info would be wrong... but it is
[18:48] <genii-around> Hm
[18:49] <L3top>  500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/restricted i386 Packages
[18:49] <alexfreewalker> L3top: back... nothing changed... still same issue
[18:49] <L3top> That is on my kubuntu 12.04 apt-cache policy nvidia-current-updates
[18:50] <L3top> One second alexfreewalker.
[18:52] <L3top> please try this alexfreewalker http://pastebin.com/zHjszxbX
[18:53] <alexfreewalker> on it... for some reason only gtk applications have issues
[18:54] <alexfreewalker> vlc which is a qt is totally fine
[18:56] <alexfreewalker> ok L3top ... rebooting... brb
[19:01] <alexfreewalker> L3top: sorry, it didnt work
[19:01] <alexfreewalker> however here is the update log that caused the issue http://pastebin.com/kpGk1g8g
[19:02] <L3top> Sorry alexfreewalker.
[19:02] <alexfreewalker> xserver-xorg-video-intel:i386 (2.19.0+git20120629.eae5e127-0ubuntu0sarvatt~precise, 2.19.0+git20120702.e80f9c46-0ubuntu0sarvatt~precise) is one of the updates
[19:03] <L3top> I am sure it exists, but can you please apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel | grep stalled
[19:03] <L3top> ah
[19:03] <L3top> That was my next line of attack.
[19:03] <alexfreewalker>  Installed: 2:2.19.0+git20120703.9e2ac8a4-0ubuntu0sarvatt~precise
[19:04] <L3top> you could try pinning version 2:2.17.0*
[19:05] <L3top> apt-get removing and then apt get installing
[19:05] <alexfreewalker> also this was updated xserver-xorg-video-cirrus:i386 (1.4.0+git20120521.2e35bc31-0ubuntu0sarvatt~precise, 1.5.0+git20120702.46a9e962-0ubuntu0sarvatt~precise)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> I've been receiving a "java not installed" or "upgrade to newest java" message on firefox14 , is this common ?
[19:05]  * L3top wonders if it is looking at free java or insists on sun java
[19:06] <alexfreewalker> L3top what exactly should I apt-get? and how do I specify the version that was working 3 days ago?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> odd , java-common isn't installed
[19:08] <L3top> alexfreewalker: try creating an /etc/apt/preferences  file with line 1) Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel          line 2) Pin: version 2:2.17.0*                     line 3) Pin-Priority: 1000
[19:09] <L3top> alexfreewalker: sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel          sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:10] <L3top> and... it is just the way I am with video frame buffer... reboot. I know it should not necessarily be necessary... It is just how I do.
[19:11] <L3top> oops
[19:12] <L3top> I forgot... you will need to apt-get update after making the preferences file
[19:13] <alexfreewalker> sh!t
[19:13] <IdleOne> alexfreewalker: Please stop with the bad language.
[19:14] <alexfreewalker> ^ what is his problem
[19:14] <lordievader> alexfreewalker: Your language is his problem, this is a public chat room.
[19:16] <alexfreewalker> L3top should i install the dependencies or do something before?
[19:16] <alexfreewalker> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:16] <alexfreewalker>  xserver-xorg-video-intel : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11
[19:16] <L3top> ugh
[19:16] <L3top> abi
[19:16] <L3top> that is going to be the source of all ill. This IS the fault of xorg
[19:17] <L3top> abi has been removed
[19:17]  * L3top would expect abi-10... but still
[19:18] <alexfreewalker> true story E: Package 'xorg-video-abi-11' has no installation candidate
[19:18] <L3top> I couldn't find it, but that is the recent change. They have dumped abi from the repos due to changes in xserver-xorg
[19:18] <L3top> Thats what is wrong.
[19:18] <L3top> You are going to have to pin the old version of xserver-xorg.
[19:19] <L3top> or...
[19:19] <genii-around> Alternately put the ignore abi thing in your xorg.conf
[19:19] <L3top> I am not sure... this is a bit of a spiderweb. And I have to do a reboot I might not recover from.
[19:19] <L3top> I believe it is abi which is making things work, which they have dropped genii-around.
[19:20] <genii-around> L3top: I had same abi issue, specifically with the nvidia driver. Between abi-11 and abi-12 , setting the ignore abi lets it work
[19:20] <L3top> Worst case scenario I will change my network so I can get back. I just did this for something else recently... I will figure it out... but it may be a good 30 min before I am back. I am doing dev work on  something and have to report findings
[19:21] <alexfreewalker> is there a way to rollback to 11.04 and keep my bashrc, mysql configrations, rvm, run=by and my gems...etc?
[19:21] <L3top> Ok genii-around I went the opposite direction and downloaded the package
[19:21] <L3top> alexfreewalker: let genii-around help you ignore abi
[19:21] <L3top> bbiab... shortly with any luck
[19:21] <alexfreewalker> genii-around go on please
[19:22] <alexfreewalker> thanks L3top for your help :)
[19:22] <L3top> any time
[19:22] <shoopdewoop> Hello everyone! I've dabbled in linux here and there but never seriously gotten into it, and now I'd like to try again! I just loaded Kubuntu 10.04 lts on my dell inspiron mini 1010 (terrible i know) and sorted out the driver for my wireless card, but I'm kind of clueless where to begin as far as graphics drivers, flash/java support, etc. Also, are there any exceptional books on ubuntu out there that I should check out?
[19:22] <L3top> lspci | grep therne
[19:22] <L3top> er
[19:22] <L3top> hold on that
[19:23] <L3top> lspci | grep -Ei '(wireless|wlan)'
[19:23] <alexfreewalker> why do u need the wlan?
[19:23] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: http://pastebin.com/FHkKFWBT
[19:24] <L3top> sometimes lspci lists as wireless... sometimes it lists as wlan
[19:24] <genii-around> ( goes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[19:24] <genii-around> Hm. Shaun of the dead.
[19:25] <L3top> "No... not Purple Rain... aw.. bugger go ahead"
[19:25] <alexfreewalker> genii-around last thing i did with L3top was sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-intel... should i proceed from there or do something else?
[19:27] <L3top> shoopdewoop: lspci | grep -Ei '(wireless|wlan)'
[19:27] <L3top> in a terminal please
[19:28] <L3top> !info bcm
[19:28] <L3top> erg
[19:28] <L3top> !bcm
[19:28] <L3top> no... that isnt it.
[19:28] <genii-around> Apologies on lag. My work has me running from the computer to do something every couple minutes right now
[19:29] <L3top> !bcm43xx
[19:29] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: Is the main display output right now powered by the intel or the nvidia?
[19:29] <alexfreewalker> intel i believe
[19:29] <L3top> intel genii-around
[19:30] <shoopdewoop> I've figured out all i need as far as wireless goes :) What I'm looking for right now is flash/java and just general resources (a book or two?) about getting started with ubuntu
[19:30] <alexfreewalker> and i just unistalled the xserver-xorg-video-intel
[19:30] <genii-around> L3top: The plan was to use vesa or so?
[19:31] <genii-around> Sorry, just trying to get oriented here
[19:33] <L3top> genii-around: the plan was to install the regressed working driver without abi
[19:34] <genii-around> Ah
[19:34] <L3top> genii-around: I am still of the opinion that abi, or the lack of, is the missing component to make it work.
[19:35] <genii-around> The abi-XX however, is actually not a separate package but part of the entire xserver-xorg-core
[19:36] <alexfreewalker> genii-around current status => /etc/X11/xorg.conf was totally empty when i added ur code, i cant reinstall the driver cuz it wants abi
[19:38] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: Is the recent xserver-xorg-core still in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[19:39] <L3top> ls /var/cache/apt/archives | grep xserver-xorg-core
[19:39] <alexfreewalker> [archives]$ ls | grep xserver-xorg-core
[19:39] <alexfreewalker> xserver-xorg-core_2%3a<IP_ADDRESS>1+git20120624+server-1.12-branch.4af8e22b-0ubuntu0ricotz~precise_i386.deb
[19:39] <alexfreewalker> xserver-xorg-core_2%3a<IP_ADDRESS>1+git20120629+server-1.12-branch.b0be2d29-0ubuntu0ricotz~precise_i386.deb
[19:39] <alexfreewalker> xserver-xorg-core_2%3a<IP_ADDRESS>2+git20120704+server-1.12-branch.487e8e82-0ubuntu0ricotz~precise_i386.deb
[19:39] <alexfreewalker> xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.12.2+git20120605+server-1.12-branch.aaf48906-0ubuntu0ricotz~precise_i386.deb
[19:39] <FloodBotK1> alexfreewalker: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:40] <L3top> all of this git stuff...
[19:40] <L3top> alexfreewalker: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[19:40] <L3top> better yet... ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | wc -l
[19:41] <alexfreewalker> 34
[19:41] <shoopdewoop> Will be back in a few, just installed intell gma 500 drivers.
[19:41] <shoopdewoop> intel*
[19:41] <L3top> HOLY poop. 34?
[19:41] <genii-around> eg: you can manually do like: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite --ignore-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a<IP_ADDRESS>2+git20120704+server-1.12-branch.487e8e82-0ubuntu0ricotz~precise_i386.deb
[19:41] <L3top> alexfreewalker: I am thinking this has something to do with your problem...
[19:42] <genii-around> Hm
[19:42] <alexfreewalker> no its things not related
[19:42] <L3top> That is a LOT of PPAs
[19:42]  * genii-around ponders apt-get clean
[19:42] <L3top> yeah
[19:42] <alexfreewalker> dropbox, google chrome, google talk plugin, opera, node.js
[19:43]  * L3top ponders rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[19:43] <alexfreewalker> there is however
[19:44] <alexfreewalker> xorg-edgers-ppa-precise.list  &  ubuntu-x-swat-x-updates-precise.list
[19:44] <alexfreewalker> i added those yesterday trying to fix the problem
[19:45] <alexfreewalker> on my own, but was a total fail... i'm just a web devloper not a kernel programmer
[19:47] <alexfreewalker> ubuntu-x-swat, hes with the special forces... an ex-swat after all those years
[19:54] <alexfreewalker> L3top genii-around ??
[19:54] <genii-around> Here
[19:55] <alexfreewalker> what should i do, i wish there is system restore like windows, or updates can be removed with 2 clicks...
[19:56] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: To get rid of package manager groaning about missing abi-## usually to install the xserver-xorg-core with dpkg and say ignore depends, etc. But you have a mess of them in there, hard to say which to use.
[19:56] <alexfreewalker> :OH GOD WHY:
[19:57] <shoopdewoop> Back
[19:58] <L3top> dpkg -i --ignore-depends=xorg-video-abi-11 xserver-xorg-video-intel                   I believe
[19:58] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: I would suggest to use: sudo apt-get clean    first... to clear them all out. Then sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg  which will d/l whatever it is supposed to need. It will probably then fail and groan but the package we need should then be in the archives dir
[19:58] <genii-around> Or, let L3top guide first ;-)
[19:59] <L3top> well... again... after the 4th recompile of my kernel I HAVE to skidaddle...
[19:59] <genii-around> Heh
[19:59] <L3top> and I SHOULD come back
[20:00] <L3top> but then... I wrote this routine so I could very well not...
[20:00] <L3top> lol
[20:00]  * genii-around crosses fingers
[20:01] <alexfreewalker> L3top genii-around... I coud use cd / && sudo rm -rf* and all problems will be fixed
[20:01] <L3top> !danger
[20:01] <alexfreewalker> L3top i know.. i was kidding
[20:02] <L3top> That should not be done here. Newb lurkers can die over it.
[20:02] <alexfreewalker> lol
[20:02] <genii-around> alexfreewalker: Even in jest, not to put that in open channel
[20:02] <alexfreewalker> okay... sorry guyz
[20:02] <genii-around> We HAVE HAD newbs just plug it in
[20:03] <L3top> No worries... just know.
[20:04] <alexfreewalker> anyway, seriously i can start programming without m gedit fully functioning... so whose ganna guide?
[20:04] <skreech_> DarthFrog: what's the accountign program need to do?
[20:05] <genii-around> !newb > genii-around
[20:05] <genii-around> For completeness ;-)
[20:05] <alexfreewalker> genii-around L3top, this used to be fully working on my system
[20:05] <alexfreewalker> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/i386/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[20:06] <skreech_> genii-around: :)
[20:06] <alexfreewalker> the xserver-xorg-video-intel : i386 : Natty (11.04)
[20:07] <shoopdewoop> ... back again :P
[20:07] <shoopdewoop> For some reason, the top bar of all of my windows (bar with minimize/maximize/exit/etc) has turned blank ...
[20:08] <L3top> alexfreewalker: please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:09] <L3top> alexfreewalker: please pastebin your ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:09] <Galvatron> shoopdewoop:  Are you using Kwin or Compiza?
[20:09] <L3top> both please. You have conflicting crap.
[20:09] <shoopdewoop> I wish i knew what that meant! 0:P
[20:11] <alexfreewalker> http://pastebin.com/d2UmtNCx
[20:14] <alexfreewalker> http://pastebin.com/Q44CzktU
[20:15] <Galvatron> shoopdewoop: Try "kwin --replace"
[20:15] <shoopdewoop> Okay I'll try that
[20:16] <shoopdewoop> everything is black right now ...
[20:19] <Joit> shoopdewoop:  i found something lately at systemsettings, where you can switch between air and oxygen, its anywhere at systemsettings workstation..?
[20:19] <Joit> you can set them partially for the windows
[20:20] <Joit> i had it once too, that one from this both made my menus black
[20:20] <L3top> alexfreewalker: rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[20:20] <alexfreewalker> L3top r u sure?
[20:20] <L3top> alexfreewalker: sudo should prepend that.
[20:21] <L3top> alexfreewalker: You have everything updated currently from them, and you have oneiric and natty sources in there. That is a problem
[20:21] <alexfreewalker> done!
[20:21] <L3top> alexfreewalker: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:21] <alexfreewalker> [~]$ ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:21] <alexfreewalker> total 0
[20:22] <Joit> shoopdewoop: i found something lately at systemsettings, where you can switch between air and oxygen, its anywhere at systemsettings workstation..?
[20:22] <Joit> i had it once too, that one from this both made my menus black
[20:22] <Joit> you can set them partially for the windows, but maybe you only try to load a predefined design. you can store your current before that too
[20:23] <L3top> This may break due to the pinning. If so sudo mv /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/preferences.old
[20:23] <shoopdewoop> yeah i tried both, the issue stays. also when i change between air and oxygen, my whole screen is black except for a few white lines?
[20:23] <Joit> load a predefined then?
[20:23] <shoopdewoop> what do you mean?
[20:24] <shoopdewoop> (im super new to linux)
[20:24] <Joit> there are layouts for your desktop designs, predefined, you can load some from the web too
[20:24] <Joit> its actually same like in windows
[20:24] <alexfreewalker> L3top successfuly renamed
[20:25] <shoopdewoop> in system settings > appearance?
[20:25] <Joit> dunno, i have a german kubuntu :P but i would guess styles
[20:25] <Joit> or appearance, sounds good too
[20:26] <Joit> there is a drop down menu
[20:26] <Joit> and more in -colors-
[20:27] <Galvatron> shoopdewoop: Settings > Application Appearance and Settings > Workspace Appearane
[20:27] <shoopdewoop> that path doesn't exist
[20:27] <shoopdewoop> the only item in settings is system settings
[20:28] <Galvatron> That's what I meant
[20:28] <Joit> start it
[20:28] <Joit> it has more submenus
[20:28] <Joit> and thx Galvatron that was it
[20:29] <Joit> you can move there back and forth with the arrows above
[20:33] <alexfreewalker> L3top whats next?
[20:39] <L3top> alexfreewalker: apt-get update and upgrade
[20:39] <L3top> alexfreewalker: then reboot
[20:40] <alexfreewalker> okay rebooting
[20:47] <alexfreewalker> L3top
[20:48] <L3top> wife is watching media... so I cannot reboot for a min... what's up alexfreewalker
[20:49] <alexfreewalker> man ur a genuis!!
[20:49] <alexfreewalker> but i can set the correct resolution
[20:49] <L3top> no... I just break stuff a lot. Geniuses have helped me to the point that I can diagnose problems.
[20:50] <L3top> can = can't?
[20:50] <alexfreewalker> can't*
[20:50] <L3top> do you have an xorg.conf? ls /etc/X11
[20:51] <L3top> I believe bumblebee creates one
[20:51] <L3top> If you do not have one... I would reinstall bumblebee so it can create one for you
[20:52] <L3top> I am not positive, I do not have the hardware, and we do our own solution for it... crushing the intel side
[20:52] <alexfreewalker> [~]$ more /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:52] <alexfreewalker> Section "ServerFlags"
[20:52] <alexfreewalker>     Option "IgnoreABI"  "on"
[20:52] <alexfreewalker> EndSection
[20:52] <FloodBotK1> alexfreewalker: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:53] <alexfreewalker> i guess this is genii-around code
[20:54] <L3top> alexfreewalker: go ahead and pastebin the xorg.conf ( cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ) or you could install pastebinit... then pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:54] <L3top> sounds like you have half an xorg.
[20:54] <alexfreewalker> its up
[20:54] <L3top> if it starts with ServerFlags
[20:55] <alexfreewalker> that was genii-around code
[20:55] <shoopdewoop> seems like the title bar issue is some kind of glitch ...
[20:56] <alexfreewalker> L3top i cant run glxspheres
[20:56] <L3top> glxgears?
[20:57] <L3top> alexfreewalker: again... you have half an xorg.conf it looks like
[20:57] <L3top> that needs to be resolved
[20:57] <shoopdewoop> could just be a graphics driver update needing to happen? totally a shot in the dark
[20:57] <L3top> No shoopdewoop
[20:57] <L3top> alexfreewalker: I would reinstall bumblebee
[20:57] <L3top> alexfreewalker: It should create the xorg.conf it needs
[20:58] <alexfreewalker> okay... bumblebee it is
[20:58] <shoopdewoop> L3top: (talking about my title bar issue, not alexfreewalker's, just to clarify)
[20:58] <skreech_> Hi shoopdewoop
[20:58] <skreech_> what do you need help with?
[20:59] <shoopdewoop> the title bars on all my windows seem to be glitching?
[21:00] <shoopdewoop> wondering if it has to do with a recent graphics driver update (im on a dell inspiron mini 1010, just installed intel gma500 drivers)
[21:01] <alexfreewalker> rebooting
[21:05] <skreech_> shoopdewoop: posibly. What's the glitch?
[21:06] <Joit> skreech_:  his title bar is black
[21:06] <shoopdewoop> not quite sure how to describe it. when i open a window, it looks like there is no title bar, but really it just looks like whatever is behind it
[21:06] <shoopdewoop> (i thought it was black before, but i had a black wallpaper :P changed the wallpaper, now it looks different)
[21:07] <Joit> leaver suck :P
[21:07] <Joit> can you repeat both answers again shoopdewoop?
[21:07] <Joit> i think he didnt read it
[21:08] <shoopdewoop> not quite sure how to describe it. when i open a window, it looks like there is no title bar, but really it just looks like whatever is behind it
[21:08] <shoopdewoop> (i thought it was black before, but i had a black wallpaper :P changed the wallpaper, now it looks different)
[21:09] <shoopdewoop> i screencapped it because i dont know how else to describe it, how can i post the pic?
[21:10] <Joit> imageshack.us or postimage.org
[21:11] <Joit> well, it worked before updating yur drivers?
[21:11] <Joit> proabtly go back t your old one?
[21:11] <Joit> to your old one*
[21:12] <shoopdewoop> http://s13.postimage.org/p7aklt2hj/snapshot2.png
[21:12] <Joit> you can do that at system additionla drivers
[21:13] <Joit> additional driver*
[21:13] <shoopdewoop> if i rollback the driver the resolution is just outrageous
[21:13] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: there is a title bar though?
[21:13] <skreech__> You can move the window or press alt+F2 and type the name of the window?
[21:14] <shoopdewoop> yes, its there, just does not look like it should
[21:14] <shoopdewoop> and yes i can move it. not sure what alt+F2 is supposed to do
[21:14] <alexfreewalker> L3top, im back, bumblebee didn't change the config file, and I still can't choose the resloution
[21:14] <Joit> open a command line actually
[21:15] <Joit> it appears at the upper part from the screen
[21:15] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: that opens a command line on the top of hte screen
[21:15] <skreech__>  You can type in a lot of things to open and manipulate things
[21:15] <Joit> usual when you pres alt-f2 and start typing you should type into this command line
[21:15] <skreech__> like you can type in the name of any window and it will pop you over to that window
[21:16] <skreech__> But also it won't open at all if you don't have a title bar
[21:16] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: and I guess this happens for any window?
[21:16] <shoopdewoop> im not seeing a command line?
[21:16] <shoopdewoop> just makes all my windows go away
[21:16] <Joit> just start typing
[21:17] <shoopdewoop> the name of the window?
[21:17] <Joit> try quassel irc
[21:17] <skreech__> Yes
[21:17] <skreech__> like typing quassel or #konversation or the name of someone you are talking with in kopete
[21:18] <skreech__> but nevertheless if it open then you have a title bar
[21:18] <shoopdewoop> it works
[21:19] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: Alright so You have  caching issue with the screen redraw
[21:19] <shoopdewoop> sounds delicious!
[21:20] <skreech__> Which driver did you recently install?
[21:20] <shoopdewoop> intel gma500
[21:20] <shoopdewoop> for the lovely and ever-frustrating dell inspiron mini 1010 xD
[21:25] <skreech__> Yeah :)
[21:25] <shoopdewoop> Ideas?
[21:27] <shoopdewoop> If it helps, it seems like if the window is maximized, the title bar is perfectly normal
[21:30] <alexfreewalker> L3top: are you still here?
[21:37] <L3top> am I back?
[21:37] <shoopdewoop> skreech__ ?
[21:37] <L3top> It would appear so
[21:40] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: Umm
[21:41] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: can you press alt+shift+F12 and tell me if it fixes it?
[21:42] <shoopdewoop> am i back?
[21:42] <shoopdewoop> i think ...
[21:43] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: Yep
[21:46] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: you ar back
[21:46] <shoopdewoop> i am back indeed
[21:46] <shoopdewoop> so i was poking around settings, and found that 'compositing is temporarily disabled'; relavant?
[21:46] <shoopdewoop> (in desktop effects)
[21:47] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: Yeah
[21:47] <alexfreewalker> L3top: are you still here?
[21:47] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: try alt+shift=F12
[21:47] <skreech__> +
[21:48] <L3top> I am
[21:48] <L3top> my system is terribly unstable
[21:48]  * skreech__ wobbles L3top's system
[21:49] <rafael> Alguém do Brasil aqui?
[21:49] <alexfreewalker> sorry about that
[21:49] <L3top> !pr
[21:49] <shoopdewoop> So, tried shift+alt+F12, and my screen turned white ...
[21:49] <L3top> durr.
[21:49] <skreech__> !br
[21:50] <shoopdewoop> had to ctrl+alt+del and log back in
[21:50] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: and stayed white?
[21:50] <shoopdewoop> yes
[21:50] <alexfreewalker> i have everytjhing working except for resolution, i cant make my second display detectable
[21:50] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: Yeah sounds like a bad driver update
[21:50] <shoopdewoop> i wiggled the cursor, and it changed like i was rolling over buttons and things
[21:50] <L3top> omg... you are running 2 displays on optimus?
[21:50] <shoopdewoop> then i ctrl+alt+del'd and logged back in
[21:51] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: try a reinstall of the driver first incase it was just a missing lib update or something
[21:51] <skreech__> If not we can rll it back
[21:51] <shoopdewoop> okay ill do that; how can i uninstall it do redo it?
[21:51] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: You could have just pressed alt+sfhit+F12 again :)
[21:51] <L3top> alexfreewalker: Xorg -configure
[21:51] <skreech__> how did you install it in the first place?
[21:51] <alexfreewalker> yeah i did that
[21:51] <L3top> This will drop an xorg.conf.new file in your ~ directory
[21:51] <L3top> alexfreewalker: ^
[21:51] <alexfreewalker> and replaced it with X11
[21:52] <alexfreewalker> already did that
[21:52] <L3top> okey doke...
[21:52] <shoopdewoop> h/o
[21:52] <L3top> alexfreewalker: sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[21:52] <L3top> reboot.
[21:53] <L3top> xorg.conf is depreciated, and I believe bumblebee will use xrandr
[21:53] <L3top> It would be an easier way to attack it really
[21:53] <alexfreewalker> k brb.. dont go plz :)
[21:53] <eutleyjr> I just installed KDE, and every time I run the Software Updates program it says "this operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided." How can I get it to work?  I have ubuntu 11.10
[21:53] <L3top> Im here... no matter how unstable
[21:54] <skreech__> eutleyjr: what are you trying to do?
[21:54] <shoopdewoop> http://code.google.com/p/gma500/wiki/PPARepository
[21:54] <shoopdewoop> i tried that a few months ago the first time i tried linux on this machine, and it worked fine
[21:54] <shoopdewoop> perhaps it was just a bad install like you said
[21:55] <eutleyjr> my alerts say that i have security updates available. i want to update them
[21:56] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: is that what you installed recently?
[21:56] <skreech__> eutleyjr: Open a terminal and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:56] <shoopdewoop> yes, sorry if that was confusing, i just installed the same thing today after a fresh kubuntu 10.04 install
[21:56] <skreech__> that should pull in new packages and hopefully update Muon to stop giving the error
[21:56] <shoopdewoop> okay ill do that
[21:57] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: try removing the ppa and then reinstalling the intel driver
[21:57] <shoopdewoop> How do I do that?
[21:59] <shoopdewoop> oops sorry, i just realized that update/upgrade message wasn't for me ;P well, doesnt hurt!
[21:59] <eutleyjr> skreech__: i think that is working. Thanks for the help
[22:00] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: how do i remove the ppa? and do i need to uninstall the driver before i reinstall it?
[22:00] <alexfreewalker> L3top, im back, the resolution is kinda distorted in both screen, i cant choose other resolutions or detect the other display
[22:01] <L3top> where are you trying to choose other resolutions alexfreewalker?
[22:01] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: Umm .. ok lets remove it first then decide. can You open muon ?
[22:01] <skreech__> then click settings -> Software sources
[22:01] <alexfreewalker> in the system settings
[22:01] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: nope doesn't hurt
[22:01] <alexfreewalker> Display and monitor
[22:02] <skreech__> eutleyjr: hope that solves your password issue
[22:02] <shoopdewoop> add and remove software?
[22:03] <skreech__> sure
[22:03] <shoopdewoop> okay
[22:03] <L3top> possy as expected downgrade of pluto-dcecommon resolves.
[22:03] <L3top> doh.. wrong window.
[22:04] <shoopdewoop> edit software sources?
[22:04] <skreech__> Yes
[22:05] <shoopdewoop> Then just unchecl the ppa source?
[22:05] <skreech__> Under the tab other software you should see your PPA
[22:05] <skreech__> uncheck it
[22:05] <L3top> alexfreewalker: You are way outside of the spectrum of my "make it work" comfort zone... you are attempting to run dual displays on an otpimus chipset and switch happily between the two. I would recreate/move the xorg.conf.new, and then reinstall bumblebee to beg config.
[22:05] <shoopdewoop> okay
[22:06] <alexfreewalker> L3top roger that
[22:06] <jamil_1> hi all
[22:06] <jamil_1> plasma-dektop is eating up ~ 100% of my cpu
[22:07] <jamil_1> strace shows that it is continuously doing:
[22:07] <jamil_1> stat("/etc/localtime", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=389, ...}) = 0
[22:07] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: now what?
[22:07] <skreech__> jamil_1: Plasmoid?
[22:07] <alexfreewalker> L3top /etc/X11 config file should exist?
[22:08] <jamil_1> skreech__: I am using some plasmoids
[22:08] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: do you have a section that says installed software in the add/remove ?
[22:08] <skreech__> jamil_1: Any that pull time?
[22:08] <jamil_1> skreech__: how can I narrow it down which one is polling so wildly
[22:09] <L3top> alexfreewalker: I don't honestly know. The way I handle these cards is to force an ACPI power off to the intel, and generate a funky xorg.conf automagically.
[22:10] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: no i dont think so
[22:10] <skreech__> jamil_1: do you have a /etc/localtime file?
[22:10] <jamil_1> skreech__: yep
[22:11] <alexfreewalker> L3top, i really appreciate your help, at least I can use my gedit now and get back to coding, thanks really for your time and effort :)
[22:11] <jamil_1> skreech__: can I monitor threads of plasma-desktop ?
[22:11] <L3top> any time alexfreewalker. Sorry I couldn't get you to a nominal solution.
[22:11] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: bleah Ok. Lets open a terminal and type sudo apt-get remove poulsbo-driver-2d poulsbo-driver-3d poulsbo-config
[22:11] <jamil_1> skreech__: i guess it must be running plasmoid in separate thread ?
[22:12] <skreech__> then I think you should be able to logout and log back in to flip over to the default driver
[22:12] <skreech__> jamil_1: It's one thread. That's part of the problem
[22:13] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: done
[22:13] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: You can reboot if you like but I think logging out and back in should be sufficent
[22:14] <jamil_1> skreech__: just removed the clock plasmoid, not effect
[22:14] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: alright, be back in a couple!
[22:14] <alexfreewalker> L3top fixing the GTK thing made my day, its been 3 days, the multiple monitor thing is a side effect of our attack, so nevermind, you are really smart, cheers!
[22:14] <skreech__> jamil_1: I'd probably put that one pretty far down on the list of likely plasmoids since so many people use it
[22:15] <jamil_1> good point
[22:18] <jamil_1> my be I should ask in #kde
[22:18] <jamil_1> *may
[22:18] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: back, nothing seems to have changed ...
[22:29] <skreech__> jamil_1: can't hurt
[22:30] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: ok can you install the package kubuntu-desktop for me?
[22:30] <skreech__> Or I guess for you >:-)
[22:30] <jamil_1> skreech__: apparently #kde ppl don't like me :)
[22:31] <jamil_1> skreech__: is it possible to get memory map of a process ?
[22:31] <skreech__> sure
[22:32] <shoopdewoop> skreech__: new complication: E: Type 'n' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gma500-ppa-lucid.list
[22:33] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: that should not be valid
[22:33] <skreech__> It shouldn't be reading that file at all
[22:34] <shoopdewoop> it threw that error when i tried to do a 'sudo apt-get update'
[22:34] <shoopdewoop> also after the reboot nothing seems different, except for that error
[22:35] <skreech__> can you pastebin lsmod ?
[22:35] <skreech__> !pastebin
[22:36] <shoopdewoop> what is lsmod?
[22:36] <skreech__> a command
[22:36] <skreech__> ok lets do this. open a terminal
[22:36] <shoopdewoop> okay open
[22:37] <skreech__> type sudo apt-get install pastebinit ; lsmod | pastebinit
[22:37] <skreech__> Should give you a URL. Paste that URL in this channel
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> it didn't ...
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> "josh@JSWAIN:~$ sudo apt-get install pastebinit ; lsmod | pastebinit
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> E: Type 'n' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gma500-ppa-lucid.list
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> The program 'pastebinit' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> sudo apt-get install pastebinit"
[22:38] <FloodBotK1> shoopdewoop: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:38] <shoopdewoop> GAH
[22:38] <skreech__> shoopdewoop: ha ok
[22:39] <jamil_1> shoopdewoop: you should first paste 1st line of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gma500-ppa-lucid.list
[22:39] <skreech__> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gma* ~ && sudo apt-get install pastebinit ; lsmod | pastebinit
[22:40] <shoopdewoop> http://pastebin.com/Gutd3kBv
[22:41] <shoopdewoop> I have to leave now :( Will you be available later tonight?
[22:42] <shoopdewoop> I'll come back on when I can and poke around a bit to see what i can see
[22:42] <shoopdewoop> thanks for the help skreech__ :)
[22:43] <skreech__> ok
[22:43] <skreech__> I should be
[22:43] <skreech__> though I do have to go now