[00:43] <bobweaver> Hello there any one know how long canonical.com will be down for ?
[00:43] <bobweaver> like this link http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/resources/webinars?utm_source=database&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=enterprisedesktop
[00:46] <pleia2> should be fine now
[00:47] <bobweaver> Yeah :>)
[21:28] <graingert> why has this issue been ignored? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1004874
[21:32] <graingert> cjohnston: ^
[22:17] <daker-cloud> graingert => newz2000
[22:17] <graingert> newz2000: heya
[22:17]  * newz2000 looks
[22:18] <newz2000> That is a good question. It does need to be fixed but due to the architecture of our system it can't be used to exploit anything.
[22:19] <newz2000> I will email the people in charge of the site to be sure that they know about it


[00:39] <Fuseteam> The 3T is a community device that requires a bit of a special treatment
[00:40] <Fuseteam> Have checked the forums?


[05:43] <nictuku> how reasonable is it to expect, in the long run, that ubuntu acts like a "Debian Enterprise" - but in the sense that it is supported by products of major players like Oracle?
[05:44] <nictuku> that's a possibility I'm really excited with about ubuntu server.
[05:44] <nictuku> But as I didn't see it mentioned in the UbuntuServer, I don't know if it is in the agenda.
[05:45] <nictuku> I only know that IBM's DB2 is homologated (is this wording fine?) for Ubuntu.
[05:47] <neuralis> nictuku: we're working onit.
[05:47] <neuralis> on it, even.
[05:48] <nictuku> nice :-D. is there any public information available somewhere?
[05:48] <neuralis> not at the moment, no.
[05:48] <nictuku> how can volunteers help on that?
[05:49] <nictuku> I mean, technically
[05:51] <neuralis> ISV certifications are a pretty finicky and particular process. we appreciate your willingness to help, but i'm afraid the process mostly has to be left to canonical.
[05:51] <nictuku> I thought so, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.
[05:52] <neuralis> certainly. and if you have contacts at ISVs, convincing them to get in touch with canonical about certifying ubuntu is certainly one way to help.
[05:52] <nictuku> That would be a major news for, well, at least the whole Debian community.
[05:53] <neuralis> nictuku: rest assured, it's being taken seriously at canonical.
[05:55] <nictuku> neuralis, would you mind if I blog about what you're saying? I think many others would be interested
[05:57] <neuralis> nictuku: actually, i would. i'm not a canonical employee.
[05:57] <nictuku> Oh I see
[05:57] <neuralis> nictuku: i'm happy to put you in touch with the right person if you wanted to get the official position, though.
[05:58] <nictuku> I'd be interested, yes.
[05:58] <neuralis> nictuku: Malcolm Yates<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:59] <nictuku> thank you
[05:59] <neuralis> nictuku: sure. you're also welcome to quote me as a member of the server team, as long as you make it perfectly clear it's unofficial and not coming from an employee.
[06:00] <nictuku> sure
[06:01] <nictuku> there is this mail from Mark Shuttleworth mentioning ISV certifications, which helps http://lwn.net/Articles/175272/
[06:02] <nictuku> by the way
[06:03] <nictuku> There's a lot of road to run until official communication doesn't just help fostering the idea that ubuntu is only about desktop.
[06:04] <neuralis> yes, that's an unfortunate problem with our marketing. we're debunking some of it in the server chapter of the official ubuntu book, soon to be released, and i'm working on some extra advocacy efforts for ubuntu server.
[06:05] <nictuku> that e-mail just reinforces that
[06:06] <neuralis> i disagree. a lot of that e-mail is desktop/server agnostic.
[06:06] <neuralis> testing, certification and 24x7 global tech support apply equally to servers and desktops, for instance.
[06:06] <nictuku> most part of it
[06:06] <nictuku> We would like to show that a
[06:06] <nictuku> Debian-based distribution can deliver the same world class desktop punch
[06:06] <nictuku> that you might traditionally expect from Novell or Red Hat.
[06:06] <nictuku> (quote)
[06:08] <neuralis> right. it would have been nice to have ubuntu server mentioned there, and i'll talk to mark about mentioning it next time, but the word about ubuntu server is definitely getting out.
[06:08] <neuralis> and we're still a young effort, with a lot of the really nifty features planned after dapper.
[06:09] <nictuku> Another issues that worries me, and I'm sorry if that has been discussed too much (not in the ubuntu-server list, though, which I read), are the blessed server packages.
[06:09] <neuralis> what worries you?
[06:09] <nictuku> sure, and we're excited with all that. I'm even trying to help with what I can, implementing one of the specs.
[06:10] <neuralis> nictuku: hm?
[06:10] <nictuku> well, from a sysadmin point of view, this idea that only a part of main will have long time support is confusing, and even maybe useless sometimes.
[06:11] <neuralis> nictuku: i didn't understand the "we're excited with all that" message, was that aimed for a different channel?
[06:12] <nictuku> sorry, I meant excited with the server effort.
[06:12] <nictuku> and "we" I meant, the community
[06:12] <neuralis> ah, cool. which spec are you working on?
[06:12] <nictuku> network wide updates
[06:13] <nictuku> even having main and universe is confusing.
[06:13] <neuralis> as for only part of main being supported, it makes sense. the alternative is a different archive for server and desktop ubuntu, and that's really best avoided.
[06:13] <nictuku> I know the reasons, I'm just thinking from a marketing and user point of view.
[06:16] <nictuku> https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu
[06:21] <neuralis> looks neat! i'll have to take a closer look later.
[06:23] <nictuku> thank you. I hope the PyGTK interface we're working on will be coolness compliant.
[06:23] <neuralis> i don't think i've seen this mentioned on ubuntu-server, can you post about it there?
[06:25] <neuralis> hmm. why did you choose to go with SOAP?
[06:26] <nictuku> no, xml-rpc
[06:26] <nictuku> Used SOAP, then moved to xml-rpc
[06:26] <neuralis> good. the wiki mentions SOAP, i'll correct it.
[06:26] <nictuku> thank you
[06:26] <nictuku> I'm currently working on the packages so testing can be easier.
[06:27] <neuralis> great. please do post about it on the list, this is something that'll interest a lot of people, and you can benefit from the added testing.
[06:27] <nictuku> A Debian developer friend of mine have even offered to send it to unstable already
[06:27] <nictuku> and it's on revu too
[06:28] <nictuku> right, I will, despite being very afraid of disappointing testers.
[06:29] <neuralis> disappointed testers are much better than apathetic testers.
[06:29] <neuralis> disappointed testers complain and tell you what's not good, and then you can fix it.
[06:31] <neuralis> also, in a tool like nwu, security is paramount. you'll want to find a security person or two to give you a review before making the case for distro inclusion.
[06:32] <nictuku> yes, that a major concern
[06:34] <neuralis> i'm happy to do a security review of this in a month or so when my schedule clears up, so feel free to mail me around then and remind me to do it.
[06:34] <nictuku> and one of the reasons I didn't mention it in the lists, because there are known unresolved security issues already. (clients always accept server SSL certificate)
[06:35] <neuralis> well, you shouldn't let these things prevent you from asking people to test it. no one expects a perfect product on the first go. really. just mention the unresolved issues, and it'll be fine.
[06:45] <nictuku> you're right, but i still have to convince the perfectionist part of myself of that
[06:46] <neuralis> i empathize; i'm the same way ;)
[06:46] <nictuku> my idea was to ship a very basic set of features, but a nice, stable and safe set of features.
[06:47] <nictuku> the features are there already, I'm working on making it stable and safe.
[06:47] <nictuku> and, argh, writing documentation
[06:54] <nictuku> can i have your e-mail address? I'll contact you next month then, if you don't mind.
[06:57] <neuralis> nictuku<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:58] <nictuku> thank you
[07:02] <neuralis> sure. thanks for your work on this!
[07:13] <nictuku> I hope the CC recons that on the monday meeting :-).
[07:23] <neuralis> hm?
[07:28] <nictuku> i'm on the process of being accepted as a ubuntu member. That's on the community council meeting agenda..
[07:29] <neuralis> cool.
[04:40] <tarvid> with a default postfix and fetchmail  install, which is the easiest imap server to use with mbox?
[07:39] <yves> hi
[07:57] <nictuku> Are there plans to LSB ceritication in Ubuntu? Mark Shuttleworth has once mentioned that "If we were to do LSB for Ubuntu, it would be done directly rather than as a compatibility layer.". So I guess that Ubuntu would rather take the long path of making Debian LSB-compatible - which seems to be the RightWay.
[11:12] <ivoks> we should really include new samba :/


[00:02] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: hows the OPO port?
[00:02] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: not yet.  Is it actually out?
[00:03] <nhaines> I'll have to manually flash it because it's rooted anyway.
[00:03] <mariogrip> ahoneybun, good, currently working on getting wifi working
[00:04] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: i installed it from the factory reset image yesterday. you might need to wait until the OTA flasher hits xda
[00:04] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: I can't OTA it because my phone is modified.  I'll have to use the factory image.
[00:04] <nhaines> I'll just run it without the wipe option.
[00:05] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: no, xda has tools that adapt OTA flashers to use with custom recovery
[00:05] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: does calling/txt and mobile data work?
[00:05] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: no, not yet
[00:06] <DonkeyHotei> without the OTA zip, the wipe is required
[00:07] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: not true.  I've updated without a wipe before.
[00:07] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: thanks and awesome work so far keep it going
[00:08] <DonkeyHotei> i considered doing that, but it's not like i actually used the phone beforehand
[00:08] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: thanks, I think i got the wifi worked out just now, missing wcnss.mdt
[00:09] <mariogrip> Ah, some modem files is also mission :O
[00:09] <ahoneybun> cool
[00:09] <mariogrip> missing*
[00:13] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: makes as much sense as anything then.
[00:14] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: oh, congrats on the new phone.  Any luck investigating the Bluetooth issue?
[00:15] <DonkeyHotei> nhaines: the underlying issue is that prior to android 4.2, android and linux used the same drivers for bluetooth but not after. the nexus 5 shipped with 4.4
[00:16] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: I followed the investigation that far.
[00:17] <nhaines> I wasn't sure if there was anything promising to proceed from that point.
[00:17] <DonkeyHotei> and using the android driver will require in the long term a newer version of bluez
[00:18] <DonkeyHotei> and newer bluez needs to be integrated in desktop *buntu
[00:18] <nhaines> I'm going to be seriously happy when bluez 5 hits Ubuntu.
[00:19] <DonkeyHotei> it's in debian already
[00:19] <aSheepie> Hi, any idea where to find the source for the Facebook app? Looking on Launchpad and the FacebookApps one seems to be suffixed with [Dead]?
[00:20] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: that might be, but when I can use my Wii U Pro Controller for Steam games I'm going to be quite pleased.
[00:20] <DonkeyHotei> is that bluetooth?
[00:25] <mariogrip> wcnss crash without debug messages... great...
[00:25] <nhaines> DonkeyHotei: all Wii and Wii U accessories are.
[00:26] <DonkeyHotei> you can use it on a computer, then
[00:26] <nhaines> Technically the gamepad is also Wi-Fi for the video, but the controls are Bluetooth still.
[00:26] <nhaines> I could, if it were supported, which it isn't in Ubuntu's version of bluez.
[00:26] <DonkeyHotei> ah
[00:27] <nhaines> Which is annoying because the kernel's supported it for a while now.
[01:00] <keithzg> nhaines: Hmm, yeah, odd that even Vivid seems to be stuck back on bluez 4.101
[01:00] <keithzg> nhaines: Seems like pairing with the Wii U Pro controller was only fully fixed up in bluez 5.14
[01:03] <keithzg> Guess the rest of the stack in Ubuntu still isn't prepared for the API breaks :(
[01:04] <DonkeyHotei> keithzg: bizactly
[05:51] <pitti> ogra_: yay, working images?
[05:51] <pitti> ogra_: thanks
[08:01] <ogra_> pitti, heh, working would be a bit of an exxageration ... they did build ... but seems infinity saved the world
[08:15] <dholbach> good morning
[08:29] <robin-hero> Hi! Where caI find the bq device's NearBy and Today scopes? I would like to translate it. Any idea?
[08:33] <davidcalle> robin-hero, you should probably ask cwayne_ when he arrives (US east coast time)
[08:35] <robin-hero> davidcalle: thanks
[08:35] <davidcalle> np
[08:37] <DonkeyHotei> i installed the gmail scope from the store on vivid but i don't see it anywhere
[08:39] <robin-hero> DonkeyHotei: Do you search it in the "Manage" page?
[08:40] <DonkeyHotei> manage page?
[08:40] <robin-hero> you can access it by pull from the bottom edge on the main screen
[08:40] <DonkeyHotei> it's not in that
[08:40] <Lotus-n7> Morning guys
[08:41] <Lotus-n7> i had a crash on nexus7 wit devel proposed on r128 last night
[08:42] <robin-hero> DonkeyHotei: It should be there, interesting
[08:42] <Lotus-n7> reinstalled and everything is fine again now
[08:43] <Lotus-n7> was there e known issue on r128?
[08:43] <DonkeyHotei> it did not boot
[08:43] <DonkeyHotei> i had to reinstall
[08:43] <pete-woods> pitti: hi. will you, by any chance, have time to look at this pull request for dbusmock? https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/1/files
[08:45] <pitti> hey pete-woods; hm, it seems github notifications regularly land in my spam filter
[08:46] <pitti> pete-woods: still firefighting wiht the systemd transition, but I'll get that done this week
[08:46] <pitti> pete-woods: that shouldn't block anything though, right? projects can always ship their own private modified mocks
[08:54] <pete-woods> pitti: I how would that work?
[08:54] <pete-woods> -8
[08:54] <pete-woods> -I
[08:55] <pete-woods> brain broken today (ill)
[08:55] <pitti> pete-woods: call spawn_server_template('path/to/my/ofono.py') instead of spawn_server_template('ofono')
[08:55] <pitti> there are other and more flexible ways, but that's probably the simples
[08:55] <pitti> t
[08:55] <pete-woods> pitti: I don't think I wrote that bit of code
[08:56] <pete-woods> oh, sorry
[08:56] <pete-woods> I understand now
[08:56] <pete-woods> the problem is we talk to python dbusmock on the command line
[08:56] <pete-woods> i.e. python -m dbusmock -t foo
[08:56] <pete-woods> would that work the same way?
[08:57] <pitti> pete-woods: it should
[08:58] <pete-woods> pitti: if it helps, I've tried to be a good citizen with extra tests :)
[08:59] <pitti> pete-woods: always good! :-)
[09:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Plumbing Day! :-D
[10:00] <yanghy> JamesTait, Good evening
[10:00] <JamesTait> \o yanghy
[10:31] <jgdx> faenil, hey, you probably saw this, but r128 removed initctl.
[10:31] <faenil> jgdx: no I didn't, thank you
[10:31] <faenil> should I just create a target again and it will work? or do I need a devel sdk for that?
[10:32] <faenil> I guess I need a newer click at least
[10:33] <jgdx> faenil, not completely sure. Re-creating it, if r129 is built, then that should 'fix' it
[10:33] <faenil> ok
[10:34] <jgdx> I like your nick, btw! In Norwegian, the first four characters is a great swear word. :)
[10:35] <faenil> oh crap :D
[10:35] <faenil> that wasn't intended, it's a nickname I made up as a child to play a Dungeouns&Dragons game!
[10:35] <jgdx> No Norwegian will mind :)
[10:36] <jgdx> Especially since "il" often means "idrettslag", which is "sports team".
[10:36] <jgdx> haha
[10:36] <faenil> haha
[10:36] <faenil> cool stuff
[10:36] <w00t> jgdx: you live there?
[10:36] <jgdx> w00t, yes sir
[10:37] <w00t> cool. always nice to know there's other people in this rather underpopulated corner of the world :)
[10:37] <faenil> haha
[10:37] <jgdx> w00t, it is. :)
[10:47] <faenil> jgdx: nope, recreating the target wasn't enough it seems
[10:47] <jgdx> faenil, I'm not sure r129 is built yet.
[10:47] <faenil> ok, nvm then :)
[10:48] <faenil> but thanks for letting me know
[10:51] <jgdx> faenil, np.
[11:35] <PLA1> Thanks for the new image. Installed r128 on Nexus 7 2013. ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/vivid-proposed --bootstrap
[11:40] <alita> hi all!
[11:42] <tsdgeos> charles: please strip the tags from https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/unity8/lp-1410915-re-enable-rotation-lock-test/+merge/251389 as explained
[12:22] <ogra_> seb128, that last mtp-server change, did anyone ever test it on a phone ? that can never start ...
[12:23] <ogra_> (the variable is never zero length (it is either 0 or 1) so the if condition will always fire)
[12:53] <seb128> ogra_, I don't know, I just did code review, I didn't participate in the landing
[13:31] <tekojo> Hi, out of curiosity, what is the current state of Ubuntu touch on Nexus 5? The Devices wiki page hasn't changed in several months for that device.
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> !devices | tekojo
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> tekojo: also try the XDA forums for your device
[13:31] <kenvandine> tekojo, i hear it works pretty well
[13:32] <tekojo> lotuspsychje: yes, the info there hasn't been updated in about half a year
[13:32] <kenvandine> tekojo, dobey uses it
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> kenvandine: wich image should he use best?
[13:32] <tekojo> kenvandine: do you know if bluetooth works?
[13:33] <kenvandine> not sure
[13:34] <dobey> what?
[13:34] <dobey> oh yeah
[13:34] <dobey> 14.09-proposed works pretty decent
[13:34] <dobey> no, bluetooth doesn't work yet
[13:35] <tekojo> but otherwise stable?
[13:35] <dobey> i've been using it as my phone for almost a year
[13:35] <tekojo> that sounds like stable
[13:35] <dobey> i don't have/use android at all
[13:36] <dobey> but battery life isn't great, and no bt or gps
[13:36] <tekojo> hmmm, need to think then, the only headphones I have are bt
[13:37] <dobey> oh, and video player doesn't work very well for some reason (but i don't use my phone for videos/music)
[13:38] <tekojo> dobey: is there active development on the device?
[13:38] <dobey> it's not an officially supported device
[13:39] <dobey> i think for bluetooth to work, it will have to wait until we gete bluez5 in ubuntu and working properly on the images
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> tekojo: look at nexus5 latest youtubes for examples
[13:39] <dobey> i don't know why the other things don't work
[13:40] <dobey> DonkeyHotei has started doing some work on the n5 though, so maybe that'll help get some more bits working soon
[13:40] <tekojo> lotuspsychje: why didn't I think of that...
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> tekojo: alot of happy n5 users on ubuntu touch
[13:41] <tekojo> maybe I should try it out then
[13:42] <sverzegnassi> and sometimes there's some issue with accelerometer, so automatic rotation doesn't work always
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> tekojo: i have a nexus7 with touch, im never going back to android
[13:45] <tekojo> I've seen it on N4 and it did look nice, I'm just wondering whether to start messing with the N5
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> tekojo: its easy to go back to android, (if) you dont like touch
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> tekojo: check the wiki in topic for install, and try the image dobey suggested
[13:46] <dobey> tekojo: install MultiROM from the play store, and then install ubuntu using that, so you can dual boot and try it out. then you can decide if it's usable for you now or not
[13:46] <charles> tsdgeos, ack
[13:47] <tekojo> dobey: that sounds like the way to go
[13:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, put up the othervibrate mp
[13:52] <sverzegnassi> tekojo: yes, just ensure your device is rooted, then you can install multirom, TWRP and a patched kernel all from "MultiROM Manager" app. If you have Android 5.1, it's already supported. :)
[14:07] <ogra_> pitti, any idea why https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199869582/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-armhf.initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch_0.84_BUILDING.txt.gz would actually install upstart when running deboostrap ?
[14:08] <ogra_> (this is a fakechroot in which we roll an initrd image)
[14:09] <ogra_> pitti, oh, ignore me, i looked at the outer chroot
[14:19] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, I've been working on exactly the same stuff you're working on in python-dbusmock.
[14:25] <pete-woods> jgdx: okay. been trying to get the test coverage of indicator-network up, and have succeeded quite well, actually
[14:26] <jgdx> pete-woods, awesome..
[14:26] <jgdx> pete-woods, if/when you create a pr, could you give a summary of what you've done to the NM mock?
[14:26] <jgdx> and maybe ping me?
[14:26] <pete-woods> jgdx: https://github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/pull/1/files
[14:27] <pete-woods> :)
[14:27] <pete-woods> pitti is just super busy breaking Ubuntu with systemd this week ;)
[14:28] <jgdx> pete-woods, ty :))
[14:29] <pitti> didn't I break it enough yet? /me works harder
[14:39] <dobey> trainguards: help, how do i revert changes that were made by someone else to my row in the spreadsheet?
[14:39] <dobey> like, a blanket revert, not a single cell
[14:42] <ogra_> dobey, ECHAN :)
[14:42] <sil2100> dobey: what's up? What changes do you mean?
[14:42]  * ogra_ had the same thing happening yesterday
[14:42] <dobey> ogra_: oops
[14:43] <dobey> sil2100: row 57, apparently 90% of the cells were changed to represent a different landing
[14:44] <sil2100> dobey: uh, geh
[14:44] <sil2100> dobey: ok, things like that happened yesterday, not sure what the spreadsheet is doing - I can get that info back for you
[14:44] <sil2100> We have backups
[14:45] <dobey> sil2100: i changed it back manually-ish, and just finished testing it so it's ready to land now
[14:45] <sil2100> dobey: ok
[14:55] <jgdx> pete-woods, added some comments to your PR.
[15:03] <Foxtrot> hello
[15:08] <pete-woods> jgdx: I think most of what you mention is already covered. there's a missing connection remove signal though
[15:11] <pete-woods> jgdx: hmm. is that signal not already emitted on line 574?
[15:15] <jgdx> pete-woods, 574 emits a signal on the Settings iface, but not on the connection interface
[15:16] <jgdx> pete-woods, so if you subscribe to a connection's Removed event, you'll get nothing. If I am reading this correctly.
[15:16] <pete-woods> jgdx: right, okay, thanks for clarifying
[15:17] <jgdx> pete-woods, and I can't find where the PropertiesChanged event is emitted for NetworkManager. I see the generic dbus properties event, though.
[15:20] <pete-woods> jgdx: the NM.PropertiesChanged signals are coming from line 198
[15:20] <Mirv> oSoMoN: oh noes! re: directionaldragarea, now that I'm back :) hopefully the proper placement of it can be done quickly.
[15:20] <Mirv> also, it seems it took me the whole day before I managed to finish cleaning my inbox
[15:21] <jgdx> pete-woods, brilliant. I missed that line. Thank you, I'll retract those comments.
[15:22] <Mirv> Saviq: mzanetti: the qtdeclarative with SVG patch has finished building now in the 5.4.1 PPA
[15:22] <mzanetti> oh wow. that was fast. thanks Mirv
[15:23] <charles> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/unity8/lp-1410915-re-enable-rotation-lock-test/+merge/251389 updated
[15:23] <Saviq> Mirv, awesomes, thanks
[15:24] <oSoMoN> Mirv, yeah, I really hope we manage to move this component to the SDK asap, this situation sucks for the browser app codebase
[15:24] <tsdgeos> charles: you still have bad tags
[15:24] <tsdgeos> charles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10580598/
[15:25] <tsdgeos> charles: you can download the script from http://people.canonical.com/~msawicz/unity8/strip-u8-tags.py
[15:25] <tsdgeos> charles: maybe you stripped them locally only?
[15:26] <charles> tsdgeos, strip-u8-tags.py is listing clean. I ran the script, then committed with --unchanged, then pushed
[15:26] <charles> tsdgeos, should I pass strip-u8-tags the lp: branchname?
[15:26] <tsdgeos> charles: yep
[15:26] <tsdgeos> charles: as i did on the past
[15:26] <tsdgeos> paste
[15:27] <tsdgeos> ./strip-tags.py lp:~charlesk/unity8/lp-1410915-re-enable-rotation-lock-test
[15:28] <charles> tsdgeos, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10580611/
[15:29] <charles> tsdgeos, thanks
[15:29] <tsdgeos> that's better now :)
[15:29] <tsdgeos> lp:~charlesk/unity8/lp-1410915-re-enable-rotation-lock-test: clean
[15:29] <tsdgeos> thanks :)
[15:36] <pete-woods> jgdx: added that extra signal on connection deletion
[15:41] <jgdx> +1
[16:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[16:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, is there any bug we can associate with your cellular-connectiontype-fixdesign branch?
[16:38] <kenvandine> i assume not
[16:40]  * nhaines files bug: jgdx's cellular-connectiontype-fixdesign branch is not merged".
[16:42] <kenvandine> nhaines, lol
[16:44] <kenvandine> seb128, can you push a noop commit to your bluetooth-null-device branch so we can make CI run again?
[16:45] <kenvandine> seb128, i can't trigger a rebuild because the last job doesn't exist in jenkins
[16:45] <seb128> kenvandine, can't we just click on retry in jenkins?
[16:45] <seb128> hum, k
[16:45] <kenvandine> i tried :)
[17:11] <kenvandine> seb128, you really dove into the bluetooth stuff, get some new devices recently?
[17:12] <kenvandine> i just finally got a bluetooth headset
[17:12] <seb128> kenvandine, well, I accepted to look at the ssp pairing for the convergent demo for mwc
[17:12] <seb128> kenvandine, so I got a keyboard for that
[17:12] <kenvandine> ah
[17:12] <seb128> kenvandine, otherwise I've a bunch of bt devices around that I usually don't use, but I sort of got into that code/started to know it a bit which motivated to try pairing things around and to fix glitches
[17:12] <kenvandine> my headset seems to work pretty well with my mako, but acts weird with my desktop
[17:14] <kenvandine> have you tried a headset with the desktop?
[17:15] <kenvandine> mine doesn't remember i want mode  a2dp instead of hsp, not sure if that's expected
[17:15] <nhaines> It's been hit or miss for the last four years.
[17:15] <kenvandine> and the mic seems to switch on and off during a call, i think it's the mode changing screwing up input
[17:16] <kenvandine> just not sure if that really works on the desktop or if it's my device
[17:16] <kenvandine> it works great on my mako though :-D
[17:16] <kenvandine> so i suspect the device should work fine with the desktop too, it's both bluez
[17:16] <dobey> kenvandine: just get a nexus 5, then you won't have to worry about bluetooth working
[17:16] <kenvandine> dobey, haha :)
[17:17] <kenvandine> dobey, my phone isn't the problem
[17:17] <kenvandine> it's my utopic desktop
[17:17] <kenvandine> i guess i should try it on my vivid laptop
[17:17] <kenvandine> see if that's better
[17:17] <dobey> kenvandine: if your phone didn't work, then you wouldn't have bought a headset :)
[17:17] <nhaines> I hope bluez 5.0 makes the cut.  <3
[17:17] <kenvandine> ha... i bought it because i was sick of the wire at my desk, not for my phone
[17:18] <dobey> i've never tried a bluetooth headset on my pc though
[17:18] <nhaines> It works great for A2DP.
[17:18] <kenvandine> it'll start out ok, then it'll switch from a2dp to hsp during a hangout
[17:19] <kenvandine> and the mic stops working and sounds horrible
[17:19] <dobey> that's weird
[17:19] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:19] <kenvandine> while in the hangout, switches mode... very odd
[17:19] <kenvandine> but... that's utopic
[17:19] <dobey> might be pulseaudio or something, and your headset
[17:19] <kenvandine> it works fine on the phone with vivid... so maybe it'll work fine with vivid desktop too
[17:21] <dobey> i wonder how long it's goign to take for the autopkgtests to run for my packages
[17:41] <seb128> kenvandine, I rebased the null branch on trunk and pushed that commit, let's see
[17:42] <kenvandine> thx
[17:46] <seb128> kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/give-focus-to-entry/+merge/252594 should be an easy one as well
[18:29] <BOHverkill> https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/575705766222557184 !!
[18:31] <popey> \o/
[18:33] <nhaines> yay!
[18:36] <ahoneybun> popey: I'm here
[19:06] <jgdx> nhaines, :D
[19:06] <nhaines> problem solved!  ;)
[19:06] <jgdx> kenvandine, there is, actually
[19:06] <jgdx> how?
[19:07] <jgdx> bug 1383368
[19:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, nhaines ^
[19:07] <nhaines> jgdx: extension of the joke. The actual solution is done by people who aren't joking.
[19:07] <jgdx> right
[19:26] <ogra_> rsalveti, lets pus all mtp bits together tomorrow ...
[19:26] <ogra_> *push
[19:26] <rsalveti> ogra_: I was thinking about pushing just the mtp-state changes in order to unblock that
[19:26] <rsalveti> at least the tangxi qa team will be able to use it
[19:27] <rsalveti> with tomorrow's image
[19:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, the remaining change is a one liner in the property service
[19:27] <rsalveti> ogra_: why property service?
[19:27] <rsalveti> do you want to hook the property service with that job?
[19:27] <ogra_> because that is what sets the proeprty and what the UI uses
[19:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: then setprop will fail, right?
[19:28] <ogra_> dbus-property-service
[19:28] <ogra_> why would you use setprop?
[19:28] <ogra_> you shouldnt
[19:28] <rsalveti> well, you can :-)
[19:28] <ogra_> especially since you need root
[19:28] <ogra_> sure, but then you need to manuall call usb-service start
[19:28] <ogra_> nothing in the system uses setprop directly
[19:28] <ogra_> and no user should
[19:29] <rsalveti> right, guess that's fine
[19:29] <ogra_> users should use android-gadget-service on cmdline and the UI well ... in the UI case :)
[19:29] <rsalveti> but we will probably not even land that tomorrow, because it needs to wait qa
[19:29] <ogra_> i'll make sure that the silo lands tomorrow
[19:29] <rsalveti> the mtp change I was thinking on pushing was with a simple dput
[19:29] <rsalveti> because it's a revert of a broken change
[19:30] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, that really depends on qa
[19:30] <ogra_> sure, but then i fear the silo rots away
[19:30] <rsalveti> it will not, for sure
[19:30] <ogra_> i really want it in asap and preferably all together
[19:30] <rsalveti> your change is the proper fix
[19:30] <rsalveti> right, but as I said, will have to wait qa anyway
[19:30] <rsalveti> and it's fine to land in 2 steps
[19:31] <ogra_> what would you upload ? the dropping of the if stanza ?
[19:31] <ogra_> (and addition of the three test lines)
[19:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: really just http://paste.ubuntu.com/10581782/
[19:31] <rsalveti> because it's a simple revert of the previous change
[19:31] <rsalveti> then rebase your branch and update the silo
[19:31] <ogra_> right, thats fine and should keep desktop safe
[19:31] <rsalveti> yup
[19:32] <ogra_> ok, then go ahad
[19:32] <rsalveti> cool
[19:52] <gcollura> Hi guys, I'm implementing the audiorecorder for telegram, does anyone know if I can write file to /tmp?
[19:55] <dobey> gcollura: i don't think so. but there's an app-specific directory under .cache/ you can write to, or in .local/share/
[19:57] <gcollura> dobey, bummer, the problem is that I'm writing a component which isn't aware of the app scope
[20:00] <dobey> gcollura: you can use the Qt API to get the cache/data directories for writing
[20:00] <dobey> i forget the name of the API though
[20:00] <dobey> (i presume you're writing code that uses Qt)
[20:01] <gcollura> dobey, yep I'm writing C++ code, which extends QAudioRecorder and expose its methods over QML
[20:01] <gcollura> which is independent from the TelegramPlugin itself
[20:03] <dobey> gcollura: QStandardPaths::writableLocation(StandardLocation::GenericCacheLocation) for $XDG_CACHE_HOME, and ::GenericDataLocation for $XDG_DATA_HOME i think
[20:03] <gcollura> dobey, I'll try that, thank you :)
[20:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, great, thanks
[20:46] <mariogrip_> new bq flash sale tomorrow!
[20:48] <mariogrip_> I want it so badly, but i they do not ship to norway :(
[20:55] <dobey> mariogrip_: are you close to the border?
[20:56] <dobey> well my suggestion won't work anyway, because it'll be a few weeks before they ship i guess
[21:15] <mariogrip_> dobey, i'm not close, i live in bergen
[21:17] <dobey> mariogrip_: if you have friends in other countries where they do ship, find one whom will allow you to ship it to their address, and then ship it to you or get it to you in some way
[21:23] <mariogrip_> dobey, nearly all of my friend are form USA. maybe i can use this https://www.forward2me.com/
[21:24] <dobey> mariogrip_: that could work; don't know how much it will cost you though :)
[21:28] <Ev3rt> trying to clone source
[21:28] <Ev3rt> is https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/p/aosp/platform/manifest.git down?
[21:28] <Ev3rt> Invalid clone.bundle
[21:28] <popey> probably
[21:28] <popey> it's very unreliable
[21:28] <popey> let me try
[21:29] <mariogrip_> do anyone have any idea of weight and size of the bq ubuntu package?
[21:30] <popey> i haven't seen the box
[21:30] <popey> i have only seen the insiders one (which is huge) and the android bq phone box
[21:30] <popey> no idea if it's shipping in the same box
[21:32] <popey> mariogrip_: mine is 330g without the usb cable
[21:33] <popey> Ev3rt: yes, seems down.
[21:33] <Ev3rt> thanks for confirming
[21:33] <Ev3rt> will try again tomorrow
[21:33] <popey> I'll ask IS to restart it
[21:36] <mariogrip_> popey, okey, so if i says 0.5kg  in a 20+20+2cm box that will be 11gbp to norway, that's not bad
[21:37] <popey> i can measure the box
[21:37] <dobey> hrmm, wtf is wrong with my online accounts :(
[21:43] <popey> mariogrip_: 155x90x50
[21:45] <mariogrip_> popey: awesome! 11.15 pounds with royalmail or 25 pounds with dhl
[21:45] <popey> mariogrip_: you having it shipped to someone in the UK?
[21:46] <mariogrip_> yeah, i live in norwat
[21:46] <mariogrip_> norway*
[21:46] <mariogrip_> we are not in EU
[21:47] <mariogrip_> we are in Europe, but not members or the European union
[21:48] <mariogrip_> or not someone, i what thinking of trying this: https://www.forward2me.com/
[21:48] <anpok_> hm? did they already start shipping the bq phones?
[21:49] <popey> not yet
[21:49] <mariogrip_> anpok_ yup! bq.com/gp/ubuntu.html
[21:49] <popey> well, you can buy them
[21:49] <popey> they haven't shipped yet
[21:49] <mariogrip_> ah, my bad
[21:49] <anpok_> mariogrip_: sure, already ordered one..
[21:50] <mariogrip_> humm, I didn't know that, so it's just a preorder
[21:56] <mariogrip_> popey, How is it to work at canonical? One of my dreams is to work there. Phone Foundations, c/c++/ and linux in general is something would love to work with.
[21:57] <popey> :)
[21:57] <DonkeyHotei> mariogrip_: did you apply for the opening?
[22:00] <mariogrip_> DonkeyHotei: do you mean this: https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd01/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=950
[22:00] <DonkeyHotei> yes
[22:03] <mariogrip_> "for a seasoned developer", I'm still a student and not that seasoned, and i may want to wait to i'm finish at school. if there was a part time work, i would had applied
[22:05] <DonkeyHotei> you seem pretty qualified to me, aside from the time constraints
[22:06] <DonkeyHotei> ChickenCutlass said they were "inundated" with applications for the position
[22:08] <mariogrip_> then i probably does not have any chance.
[22:11] <DonkeyHotei> most people who apply for most jobs apply expecting not to get them
[22:12] <dobey> you should see the recruiting requests i get on linkedin sometimes
[22:12] <dobey> oi
[22:16] <DonkeyHotei> luckily i believe in miracles
[22:20] <cwayne> dobey, lol, those are the best
[22:20] <cwayne> my personal favorites are the ones when they just ask if you know someone looking
[22:22] <dobey> yeah
[22:22] <dobey> "hey, i see you know python, i have this python project starting nowhere near you, do you maybe want the job?"
[22:26] <dobey> ok wtf
[22:27] <dobey> i deleted all my online accounts databases, deleted all the qml cache for online-accounts-ui, deleted all the untappd webapp cache stuff, rebooted, and i still can't get the account created :(
[22:30] <dobey> twitter works fine still though
[22:31] <cwayne> uh oh
[22:32] <cwayne> let me try that here, i hadnt tried in awhile
[22:36] <dobey> cwayne: is it broken for you too? i log in fine and the oauth window just goes away, and the account doesn't get created, and no useful log info that i can find anywhere
[22:40] <cwayne> dobey, it worked last time I checked, does it work if you do it from the scope instead of the webapp?
[22:40] <dobey> cwayne: no, it doesn't work directly in system-settings either
[22:41] <dobey> cwayne: i've been having to just use the web site inside the browser for like the past month or so
[22:51] <dobey> oh well, i really should not still be on here :P
[22:51] <dobey> later
[23:01] <cwayne> dobey, huh, seeing it here now too :(
[23:01] <cwayne> OA seems to have broken out from under me again
[23:08] <DonkeyHotei> mariogrip_: seems i should've checked my e-mail. i got a rejection for the position 12 hours ago
[23:12] <mariogrip_> DonkeyHotei: did you apply for the phone foundation?
[23:12] <DonkeyHotei> yes but i choked in the interview
[23:14] <mariogrip_> sad to hear
[23:16] <mariogrip_> DonkeyHotei, does this sound interesting? http://ubports.com/
[23:31] <cwayne> dobey, found the issue, fix incoming :)
[23:31] <popey> mariogrip_: do you have a gmail account?
[23:33] <mariogrip_> popey, yes
[23:33] <mariogrip_><EMAIL_ADDRESS>or<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:34] <popey> ok
[23:40] <wolflarson> pooooooopey!!!!!!!!!!
[23:40]  * popey tickles wolflarson
[23:41]  * wolflarson giggles
[23:41] <wolflarson> so when is my oneplus one getting ubuntu touch?
[23:41] <mariogrip_> :D
[23:42] <mariogrip_> wolflarson, you get get ubuntu touch on your device now if you want
[23:43] <wolflarson> if only I knew how right?
[23:44] <mariogrip_> https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/wip-ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one.266170/
[23:46] <popey> Tassadar: mariogrip_ thanks!
[23:47] <Tassadar> I think more things might be working on n5 but I don't have it installed right now
[23:47] <popey> Tassadar: mariogrip_ if you think of any extra things we need in there, or links or whatever, feel free
[23:47] <popey> trying to keep the sheet nice and simple as an overview
[23:48] <popey> maybe the first column could be a link to some external site / xda page or whatever
[23:48] <popey> Tassadar: mariogrip_ column D means "date this sheet last updated"
[23:48] <popey> not date the build was updated
[23:48] <Tassadar> oh)
[23:48] <popey> so people know "Oh, it was broken a month ago when this was last updated".. does that make sense?
[23:49] <popey> dunno if that's useful info for people
[23:49] <Tassadar> yeah, it is useful
[23:49] <popey> but if someone sees a date on an image that's 3 months back, they might hold back
[23:50] <popey> \o/
[23:50] <mariogrip_> :D
[23:51] <popey> if you know of any other port maintainers, point them my way
[23:54] <cheeseboy> how do i get to my voicemail?
[23:54] <cheeseboy> my phone says i have one but when i click nothing happens
[23:55] <wolflarson> nice ... nothing works tho
[23:55] <wolflarson> perhaps in a few months
[23:55] <wolflarson> very exciting stuff thanks for the link mariogrip_
[23:56] <mariogrip_> give some days and i will hopefully work something out
[23:56] <wolflarson> you are working on this personally ?


[08:40] <Kilos> morning everyone
[13:42] <shash> hi
[13:42] <shash> is anybody around
[18:36] <delta_> hello
[18:37] <delta_> i want but ubuntu set stikers for my laptop .wher to buy in india


[15:52] <Code_Bleu> meena: sorry, I've been busy with other things recently and haven't been checking my IRC much :(
[16:44] <meena> Code_Bleu: no stress. there's every chance that a lot of these things won't be merged until after Christmas or new years. You have your installation method, and it works. If it changes slightly, to your advantage in a few weeks, that's still nothing to worry about
[21:55] <meena> Code_Bleu: if you wanna test my port, it's now done: https://codeberg.org/meena/openbsd-ports/src/branch/add/cloud-init/sysutils/cloud-init/
[21:55] <meena> i have no idea how to test it myself, because to do that, I'd have to fix disk detection on OpenBSD
[22:06] <meena> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/issues/4711
[22:06] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Issue 4711 in canonical/cloud-init "OpenBSD: disk-based DataSource detection is unreliable" [Open]


[01:48] <joshk> Keybuk: is there a way to force a rc script to run in the foreground?
[01:49] <joshk> example: I'm installing a fully automated ubuntu on VMware and I have it so that rc.local triggers an installation of the vmware tools
[01:49] <joshk> but upstart lets that run in the bg
[01:49] <joshk> so it just drops to a login prompt (I disable X for the installation as well)
[01:51] <joshk> and that's kind of awkward for users who will be wondering wtf is going on
[02:06] <Keybuk> define foreground
[02:28] <joshk> Keybuk: i just want it to be the last thing the user sees in the init messages, and not go to a login prompt
[02:28] <joshk> easy way to describe it is.. as if ubuntu was using sysvinit and i had put the same stub in rc.local
[02:28] <joshk> it would say "Please wait, installing tools" and not show the login prompt
[15:10] <Gadi> hey, there, all!  I am trying to write an upstart script similar to control-alt-delete but for a different key-combo
[15:11] <Gadi> is there a way to do this?
[15:11] <Gadi> I am unclear as to where c-a-d gets the actualy keystroke event from
[15:16] <Keybuk> the kernel
[15:16] <Keybuk> it's specially handled
[15:16] <Keybuk> when you press Ctrl-Alt-Del the kernel sents init SIGINT
[15:16] <Gadi> ah
[15:17] <Keybuk> (and I think the only reason the kernel traps it is because it's an interrupt on a PC)
[15:17] <Gadi> is there anyway to implement the old inittab's kbrequest?
[15:17] <Keybuk> "on kbdrequest"
[15:17] <Keybuk> that's Alt-UpArrow, and support for it is likely compiled out of your kernel
[15:18] <Gadi> :(
[15:18] <Gadi> really?
[15:18] <Gadi> damn
[15:18] <Gadi> well, I'm on gutsy
[15:18] <Gadi> sotck kernel
[15:19] <Gadi> I sppose its worth attempting
[15:19] <Keybuk> what are you trying to do? :)
[15:19] <Gadi> execute a command at the console based on alt-uparrow ;)
[15:20] <Gadi> is there a way to load a newly written upstart script (short of rebooting)
[15:23] <Keybuk> they load automatically
[15:23] <Gadi> ah
[15:24] <Gadi> then, it doesnt quite work :)
[15:24] <Keybuk> it doesn't?
[15:24] <Keybuk> which bit?
[15:24] <Keybuk> does "status JOBNAME" show anything?
[15:24] <Gadi> start on kbdrequest
[15:24] <Keybuk> right, your kernel probably doesn't have kbdrequest support
[15:24] <Gadi> exec echo "Alt-Uparrow pressed"
[15:24] <Gadi> right
[15:24] <Keybuk> did you have "console output" in there too?
[15:25] <Gadi> no
[15:25] <Gadi> before exec?
[15:25] <Keybuk> so where's that echo going to go? :)
[15:25] <Gadi> (sorry - upstart newbie :) )
[15:26] <Gadi> still doesnt work
[15:26]  * Gadi wonders why kbdrequest was not compiled in
[15:26] <Gadi> and whther to patch the kernel just for this :)
[15:27] <Gadi> s/patch/recompile/
[15:30] <Keybuk> hmm
[15:30] <Keybuk> looking at the kernel it's always compiled in
[15:30] <Keybuk> I just can't figure out what key it's bound to
[15:34] <Gadi> hmm
[15:35] <Gadi> ah, maybe /etc/console/ is just not set right
[15:35] <Keybuk> maybe
[15:36] <Keybuk> check for KeyboardSignal in your key map
[15:38] <Gadi> hmm its there:  alt keycode 103 = KeyboardSignal
[15:38] <Keybuk> and keycode 103 is set to?
[15:39] <Gadi> Up
[15:39] <Keybuk> should work then
[15:39] <Keybuk> if not, you're deep into the mysteries of the console
[15:39]  * Keybuk has never got it to work
[15:39] <Gadi> heh, I used to do it all the time with inittab
[15:39] <Gadi> on Dapper :P
[15:40] <Gadi> pre-upstart
[15:40] <Gadi> u sure I dont need to reboot?
[15:40]  * Gadi reboots for the heck of it
[15:41] <Keybuk> try upstart on dapper
[15:41] <Keybuk> it doesn't work for me on sysvinit either
[15:41] <Keybuk> we changed the console layer a *lot* in edgy
[15:41] <Keybuk> (switched to using X keyboard maps)
[15:48] <Gadi> ah
[15:48] <Gadi> ok, I will play a bit
[15:48] <Gadi> otherwise, I'll workaround
[15:48] <Gadi> thanks for guiding a poor newb
[15:53] <ion_> Phew. I finally got around to wiring my rack today. About fifty cables connected. :-)


 :S
[11:24] <czajkowski> I still have that annoying bug which find it hard to reproduce but does exist. where you shut down your machine and it restarts. most anonying when you#'re on a plane
[11:26] <xalyy> Can someone help me about proxmox?
[11:32] <czajkowski> xalyy: it's kinda quiet in here at the weekend, maybe explain the problem abd someone might see it
[11:32] <xalyy> Okay
[11:33] <xalyy> Well I made a virutal box for testing out the proxmox and installed the iso then tried to open the https://myip:8006 web interface but it not works
[11:43] <popey> czajkowski: i never shut my laptop down
[11:49] <popey> uhm. system settings seems to be missing a date/time thing in trusty
[11:49] <popey> or am I blind
[11:49] <popey> I can't see how to change my time (am in the wrong timezone)
[11:51] <AlanBell> popey: mine is gone too
[11:53] <popey> AlanBell: bug 1278063
[11:53] <popey> pls confirm
[11:54] <Laney> do you have unity-control-center-datetime installed?
[11:54] <Laney> oh sorry, got to go
[11:55] <ali1234> gooby pls
[11:55] <AlanBell> Laney: nope, I didn't have that
[11:56] <ali1234> will that also fix bug 1074314?
[11:57] <popey> Laney: I didn't, just figured that out and updated the bug
[12:03] <ali1234> lol so the reason it's broken is because they renamed the panel and then forgot to update the gnome .desktop
[12:05] <AlanBell> or have not yet got round to updating the .desktop
[12:06] <ali1234> change was commited two weeks ago
[12:06] <popey> bug 1277900 also
[12:06] <awilkins> xalyy, Have you set up the NAT stuff for your VM?
[12:06] <popey> oof
[12:06] <popey> bug 1277900 also
[12:06] <popey> silly bot ☻
[12:07] <ali1234> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-datetime/trunk.14.04/revision/300
[12:07] <ali1234> i take back what i previously said
[12:07] <ali1234> it's actually been intentionally broken
[12:10] <xalyy> awilkins: What you mean?
[12:11] <awilkins> xalyy, When you have a VM, it's isolated from the network unless you specifically set up network ports for other machines to communicate with it
[12:11] <ali1234> popey: your other bug is a dupe, at least for datetime
[12:11] <awilkins> The default setup on VirtualBox is, AFAIK, NAT
[12:11] <popey> feel free to mark it as such
[12:11] <popey> i thougt it might be but couldn't see another
[12:11] <awilkins> Which means you have to map ports on the VM to ports on your host machine if you want to communicate with the server inside
[12:12] <awilkins> Have a look at the "Advanced" dialog in the network setup
[12:12] <ali1234> you'll have to change your shortcut because the panel applet has been renamed in order to prevent it from working with g-c-c, this will also invalidate your shortcut
[12:12] <popey> or bin and re-create it I guess.
[12:12] <popey> shame
[12:12] <ali1234> just change "indicator-datetime" to "datetime"
[12:12] <popey> it was sound, but I understand
[12:13] <ali1234> and g-c-c to u-c-c
[12:13] <popey> just removed it and re-dragged it in from the dash
[12:14] <ali1234> also why the heck do you have shortcuts to individual settings on the launcher?
[12:14] <popey> you are not the first to ask this ☻
[12:14] <popey> I use the sound applet a lot
[12:14] <ali1234> so do i but i just clik the sound indicator
[12:14] <popey> docking station + bluetooth headphones + linux = annoyance
[12:14] <xalyy> Ok im back
[12:14] <popey> faster to super+9
[12:14] <popey> for me
[12:14] <ali1234> no.
[12:15] <popey> my sound menu is huge, so click then go all the way to the bottom to get sound settings
[12:15] <xalyy> So
[12:15] <xalyy> Im here at the advanced settings
[12:15] <xalyy> Do I have to add the 8006 port?
[12:15] <popey> xalyy: no, I'd just change NAT to Bridged and restart the VM
[12:16] <ali1234> clean it out?
[12:16] <xalyy> Okay
[12:16] <popey> still easier to use launcher
[12:16] <ali1234> it really needs an easier way to remove every audio player ever
[12:16] <popey> annoying i have to use it so much
[12:16] <popey> yeah
[12:16] <xalyy> Still not works
[12:17] <ali1234> you know what's even easier? having a settings menu on the panel
[12:17] <popey> i dont use most settings, only sound
[12:17] <ali1234> and the other four ones :)
[12:17] <popey> well, and bluetooth
[12:17] <xalyy> I switched to nat
[12:17] <xalyy> But still not shows the website
[12:18] <popey> xalyy: bridged, not nat, and restart the vm
[12:18] <xalyy> I mean to bridged
[12:18] <xalyy> Sorry mistyped :D
[12:18] <popey> right, and find out what IP the VM has once booted
[12:18] <xalyy> https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8006/
[12:18] <xalyy> but not worksss
[12:18] <popey> point your browser at that http://I.p.address:8006/
[12:18] <xalyy> like before
[12:18] <xalyy> :S
[12:18] <popey> did you restart the vm?
[12:20] <xalyy> Why is it not working? :(
[12:20] <popey> did you restart the vm?
[12:20] <xalyy> Yes
[12:20] <popey> inside the vm, if you 'telnet <IP_ADDRESS> 8006' do you get a response?
[12:21] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/18524a7c76cc6319d8c2fa86cab9837a.png
[12:21] <xalyy> This is what i got
[12:22] <awilkins> That looks promising
[12:23] <xalyy> what is the next step? :D
[12:24] <popey> http://imgur.com/0qvXxNd
[12:24] <popey> thats what I do to test
[12:28] <xalyy> ok
[12:29] <xalyy> I not got what u got but ok :D
[12:30] <popey> you got a response of some kind?
[12:32] <xalyy> i got what i sent
[12:33] <xalyy> U saw the pic?
[12:46] <xalyy> Anyone?
[12:52] <awilkins> xalyy, You got a response - it connected and dropped, rather than timing out
[12:53] <awilkins> xalyy, That means there is a server running with that port open, rather than nothing being there
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> wow.. cross-compiling a RPi kernel: 5 minutes. Compiling a kernel on the pi: 24 hours (including docs/manual/etc. packages)
[13:01] <ali1234> the kernel is very easy to cross compile tho
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, I know that now :)
[13:02] <ali1234> pretty much nothing else is so easy
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> because of library dependencies
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> installing a cross-compiler is easy, but for most other things you need at least libc
[13:04] <penguin42> with multiarch it's not as bad as it was - can get the libs in
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: even of incompatible archs?
[13:12] <MartijnVdS>  <IP_ADDRESS>   .GPS.            1 u   34   64    3    0.581    0.203   0.014
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[13:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yes
[13:13] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: installing libs normally isn't a problem (as long as their multiarch safe - not everything is)
[13:14] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Sometime need to have qemu installed incase the installation scripts need to run something
[13:33] <xalyy_> Im back! Connection lost
[13:33] <xalyy_> awilkins then what can I do to solve the problem
[13:34] <xalyy_> Yo?
[13:35] <xalyy_> Is somebody here or everybody sleepig again? :D
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> !patience
[13:36] <popey> xalyy: we established your server is running
[13:36] <xalyy_> I searched like 1 day without any luck, thats why I moved to here
[13:37] <xalyy_> Thanks
[13:37] <xalyy_> But if the server is running then why the web interface not loads?
[13:37] <xalyy_> I don't know what I done wrong... I configured the network and this was a fresh install nothing modified
[13:38] <xalyy_> Same problem with my dedicated not working there too
[13:40] <AlanBell> xalyy_: you are running proxmox inside a vm?
[13:40] <xalyy_> Yes
[13:41] <xalyy_> First I trying to test it on my computer on virtualbox
[13:41] <xalyy_> Then move it to dedicated
[13:41] <xalyy_> But it's not even work in my PC
[13:41] <AlanBell> well I would kind of expect some issues running it nested
[13:41] <AlanBell> however I would expect the web UI to work
[13:42] <AlanBell> can you get to the web UI from inside the guest itself?
[13:42] <xalyy_> How??
[13:42] <xalyy_> It don't have Desktop enviroment
[13:42] <AlanBell> does the guest operating system have a GUI?
[13:42] <AlanBell> ok, how about lynx or something
[13:42] <xalyy_> Lynx?
[13:43] <AlanBell> sudo apt-get install lynx
[13:43] <awilkins> Text-mode browser
[13:43] <xalyy_> Okay
[13:43] <AlanBell> then lynx localhost:8006 or whever it is
[13:43] <xalyy_> Okay! I try it ty
[13:44] <AlanBell> not expecting it to work well, but it should be enough to recognise whether it is working at all
[13:45] <xalyy_> http://gyazo.com/4d0d231e12c41a44c661f415acd6d203.png :(
[13:45] <popey> is that from inside the vm or outside?
[13:45] <popey> oh, inside
[13:46] <xalyy_> Inside
[13:46] <AlanBell> ok, so forget about port mapping for a bit, until you get it serving locally
[13:47] <awilkins> Try http://localhost:8006
[13:47] <popey> its not ssl?
[13:47] <AlanBell> that isn't right anyway, why is it trying to resolve the IP address?
[13:47] <awilkins> Yes... maybe that also counts
[13:47] <awilkins> so https://localhost:8006
[13:47] <xalyy_> Tried localhost first then 192.168.
[13:48] <popey> what ip does the vm have?
[13:48] <popey> note that it will not be the same ip as your host
[13:48] <xalyy_> Umm local ip?
[13:48] <popey> ifconfig inside the vm will tell you
[13:48] <popey> with bridged the vm gets an ip address like any other host
[13:48] <popey> not the same as your host
[13:48] <popey> so you may just be using the wrong ip
[13:48] <xalyy_> How can I scroll up?
[13:48] <xalyy_> on virtualbox :D
[13:49] <AlanBell> ifconfig|less
[13:49] <popey> page up?
[13:49] <popey> ip addr | grep 192
[13:49] <popey> probbaly <IP_ADDRESS> ☻
[13:50] <xalyy_> <IP_ADDRESS>??
[13:50] <popey> thats localhost on interface lo
[13:50] <xalyy_> http://gyazo.com/3c26517b8021025feb075821731aef16.png
[13:50]  * AlanBell doesn't think there is an active network card in the guest
[13:50] <popey> what about interface eth0 ?
[13:50] <MooDoo> directhex: but I want a valve code, my key is I AMDI RECT HEX ;)
[13:50] <xalyy_> http://gyazo.com/a6259dd025f285d39c2d05ecc82bb6be.png
[13:51] <popey> these cropped screenshots annoy me ☻
[13:51] <xalyy_> Sorry :D
[13:51] <popey> so no ip on eth0
[13:52] <popey> what OS is the guest?
[13:53] <xalyy_> Proxmox 3.1 VE
[13:53] <penguin42> no, in the VM, not on the host
[13:54] <AlanBell> penguin42: that is running nested in the guest
[13:54] <penguin42> ooohhhh - nested is fun
[13:54] <xalyy_> what host?
[13:54] <xalyy_> loll
[13:54] <AlanBell> which is . . . going to hurt, but the web UI should work
[13:54] <popey> wat
[13:54] <xalyy_> waittt
[13:54] <popey> this sounds odd, i dont understand what on earth is going on here
[13:54] <xalyy_> guys u think i meant that there is a vm under my dedi?
[13:55] <popey> this is a remote machine with virtualbox instaled on it?
[13:55] <popey> and proxmox as the guest?
[13:55] <penguin42> xalyy_: You need to go back a step; put a webpage together that shows what your setup is - completely so we can understand
[13:55] <xalyy_> OK wait
[13:55] <AlanBell> or local desktop with virtualbox with proxmox inside it?
[13:55] <AlanBell> turtles all the way down
[13:56] <popey> xalyy_: explain the setup
[13:56] <AlanBell> the guest isn't getting an IP address, so you think that is set up with a bridged networking card, and your router is capable of assigning an extra DHCP address?
[13:58] <xalyy_> Sec
[13:59] <xalyy_> http://i.imgbox.com/DNNIsAtM.png
[14:00] <awilkins> Uuuuurgh, host OS is Windows :P
[14:01] <popey> that diagram doesn't help
[14:01] <AlanBell> so, where is Ubuntu in all this?
[14:02] <popey> explain it...
[14:02] <popey> "i have a blah running blah and in that there's blah running blah"
[14:02]  * awilkins bobs off to get some food
[14:02] <xalyy_>   Proxmox uses integrated debain what are you guys talking? :D
[14:02] <xalyy_> Both of the machines running on debian
[14:03] <AlanBell> so you have a windows host with some debian derivative that isn't Ubuntu as a guest
[14:03] <AlanBell> and another cloud server that isn't running Ubuntu
[14:03] <penguin42> xalyy_: Sorry, you really need to draw it out - what exactly are you running
[14:04] <xalyy_> I am running windows on the windows I am running a Virtualmachine under Oracle VM, my dedicated is located somewhere in the US my dedicated not belongs to my personal computer, my dedicated runs under debian
[14:04] <xalyy_> good? :P
[14:04] <AlanBell> so, why do you think we can help with that?
[14:04] <xalyy_> Why not?
[14:04] <penguin42> but how is your dedicated related to your virtualbox mess?
[14:05] <xalyy_> I said first Im testing proxmox on the oracle vm then I want to move on my dedicated and fix everything like on my comp
[14:05]  * SuperEngineer gets ready to type !-t-o-p-i-c  :D
[14:05] <xalyy_> Because the two machine have the same problem
[14:05] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well to be fair we rarely are on topic in here
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> double lol
[14:06] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Indeed being on topic might be off topic
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> triple lol
[14:07] <xalyy_> Now do you understand the setup? :D
[14:07] <popey> I do. I think.
[14:07] <penguin42> xalyy_: Look, you're just learning this stuff - you need to start simpler; and nesting VMs is not a good way to start learning
[14:07] <popey> But I never use VirtualBox on Windows so can't help with that.
[14:07] <AlanBell> xalyy_: so, for the virtualbox thing, you need to arrange for the guest to get an IP address, I have no idea if you are being blocked by a windows firewall setup or if the proxmox networking doesn't like the virtualbox card or something else
[14:07] <popey> he's not nesting VMs penguin42, why do you think he is?
[14:07] <AlanBell> popey: proxmox is virtualisation software
[14:08] <popey> right, but he hasn't got that far yet
[14:08] <xalyy_> What is nesting?
[14:08] <AlanBell> with a web gui, which should run, even if it doesn't let you start VMs
[14:08] <popey> exactly
[14:08] <xalyy_> Yeah
[14:08] <AlanBell> xalyy_: running VMs within VMs is nesting
[14:08] <popey> sounds just like the vm doesn't have an ip yet
[14:08] <penguin42> ah, so he's just trying to run the management stuff in the windows virtualbox?
[14:08] <popey> that he can point to
[14:08] <xalyy_> Ohh
[14:08] <penguin42> popey: But where are the VMs?
[14:08] <popey> they dont exist yet, clearly
[14:08] <xalyy_> Yess
[14:09] <popey> given he can't get to the admin console
[14:09] <xalyy_> I am trying to setup proxmox on the oracle vm
[14:09] <penguin42> popey: Ohhhh
[14:10]  * popey sleeps
[14:10] <penguin42> popey: Just looky you weren't pulled into a floridian sinkhole
[14:10] <AlanBell> so, problem 1, your debian thing in virtualbox needs to be on your local network
[14:10] <AlanBell> and it isn't right now
[14:10] <xalyy_> Ok!
[14:10] <xalyy_> How to fix it belly :D
[14:11] <AlanBell> sudo dhclient might give you a clue
[14:11] <xalyy_> Wait first how do I exit under |less
[14:11] <xalyy_> ifconfig |less
[14:11] <AlanBell> q
[14:12] <xalyy_> Thanks
[14:12] <AlanBell> I think perhaps you are running before walking here
[14:12]  * penguin42 agrees
[14:12] <xalyy_> Umm
[14:12] <xalyy_> dhclient not done anything
[14:13] <xalyy_> RTNETLINL asnwers: File exists!
[14:13] <xalyy_> Lol you dont say
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> that usually means a route already exists
[14:14] <xalyy_> Ohh
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> doesn't hurt
[14:14] <xalyy_> Great :D Next command?
[14:16] <xalyy_> WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[14:16] <xalyy_> GUYS what happened??
[14:16] <xalyy_> Its just works now...
[14:16] <xalyy_> But how is this possible? dhclient done the magic or which command?
[14:17] <penguin42> AlanBell's telepathy probably
[14:17] <xalyy_> :DD
[14:17] <xalyy_> Seriously I have to know exactly, because I have to fix the dedicated too :P
[14:19] <penguin42> xalyy_: If you manually ran dhclient that would do it, but that suggests that you just needed to configure proxmox to run dhclient
[14:19] <xalyy_> So you mean proxmox is not starting dhclient properly?
[14:19] <xalyy_> By the way what is dhclient
[14:20] <penguin42> xalyy_: dhclient is the thing that sends and receives dhcp requests on the network;
[14:21] <penguin42> xalyy_: You need to go and learn some basic networking/linux admin stuff I think before trying to debug this much!
[14:22] <xalyy_> But I doesn't even know why I have to debug, I mean I watched 5 video tutroials where the guys installs the proxmox on a VM or VPS or Dedicated but they got it working right away after installed
[14:22] <AlanBell> the dedicated serer has got an IP address, or you wouldn't be connecting to it
[14:22] <xalyy_> I can connect to the dedicated server without the dedicated connecting to the internet :D
[14:23] <AlanBell> ok, serial port debugging or is it really virtualised?
[14:23] <xalyy_> Umm?
[14:23] <AlanBell> huh, that virtual KVM window . . .
[14:23] <xalyy_> Yes
[14:23] <xalyy_> Drac
[14:23] <AlanBell> your dedi is running under a KVM host?
[14:24] <xalyy_> Running under Drac
[14:24] <xalyy_> I heard its a small computer on the dedi
[14:24] <xalyy_> It has other ip
[14:24] <xalyy_> Then the dedi
[14:24] <AlanBell>  /o\
[14:24] <xalyy_> Is it a bell? :D
[14:25] <xalyy_> On the dedicated dhclient did not worked still not loads the :8006 website gui I think I have to reinstall everything...
[14:25] <xalyy_> What you say?
[14:25] <xalyy_> Do I reiinstall proxmox os completly?
[14:26] <AlanBell> I have no further opinion on the matter :)
[14:26] <xalyy_> Ok I reinstall it, I have time :D
[14:27] <xalyy_> Do you have idea why the VM is so slow? I mean the virtual media session
[14:27] <xalyy_> It uploading really slow
[14:27] <DJones> Can you copy a virtualbox machine from one computer to another, or do configuration options get messed up when you do
[14:28] <AlanBell> DJones: yes, and maybe
[14:28] <AlanBell> but it is fixable
[14:28] <xalyy_> Problem is
[14:28] <AlanBell> or you copy the config options too
[14:28] <xalyy_> Dedicated does not have DHCP so I have to manually config the network files... :S
[14:28] <xalyy_> So it would be double messy
[14:29] <xalyy_> Can hostname be anything on the dedicated?
[14:29] <xalyy_> Or does it counts?
[14:29] <DJones> AlanBell: Thanks, I've got two Windows installs and was planning on copying both folders including all files & subdirectories, its got .vbox & .vdi file, along with a Logs folder
[14:31] <shauno> xalyy_: you really need to ask your host what your network settings should be.  we simply can't guess them
[14:31] <DJones> I'm expecting some issues because they're both Windows installs, XP & Win 7
[14:31] <AlanBell> DJones: look in .virtualbox too
[14:31] <AlanBell> .Virtualbox even
[14:31] <AlanBell> gah ~/.VirtualBox
[14:31] <DJones> AlanBell: Thanks for heads up
[14:32] <AlanBell> VirtualBox.xml in there is the config settings mostly
[14:32] <xalyy_> shauno: but is there a way to guess my dedicated hostname from the dedicated ip or something?
[14:33] <AlanBell> xalyy_: really, you need to ask your ISP about this, you are not running Ubuntu and we are not your ISP :)
[14:33] <xalyy_> What?
[14:33] <xalyy_> My dedicated not running ubuntu?
[14:33] <shauno> I can't change my answer just because it's not the one you wanted, I'm afraid
[14:33] <xalyy_> What are you talking about :D
[14:34] <xalyy_> I mean debian is not similiar to ubuntu?
[14:35] <AlanBell> it is not Ubuntu, no
[14:41] <xalyy_> Thanks for the help guys for all this :D
[14:57] <xalyy_> Something not good... Cmon.. I can't beleive this, I rebooted the oracle vm and now the web ui not working again
[14:57] <xalyy_> Typed dhclient several times but not helps
[14:57] <xalyy_> what is this?!
[15:04] <the_rocker> hi guys
[15:40] <knightwise> hey everyone
[15:41] <knightwise> small question : I have a 24 inch imac with a Core2Duo processor
[15:41] <knightwise> what version of Ubuntu do i choose : The PC , the 64bit PC or the 64bit MAC version ?
[15:42] <BigRedS> I'd go with 64bit mac
[15:43] <knightwise> BigRedS: ok Thats the one i'm downloading.
[15:43] <knightwise> funny that there is no 64bit MAC version of Xubuntu to download
[15:43] <knightwise> I'll just punch XFCE on there after install i guess
[15:45] <knightwise> I was thinking about putting elementary on there (because it looks realy good) but ... i wasn't sure what version of 12.04 its based on
[15:45] <knightwise> the 64 bit or the MAC64 bit
[15:45] <xalyy_> How can I check the network is working fine to stream the proxmox web gui? On dedicated server
[16:16] <BigRedS> xalyy_ what do you mean? Where is the web gui supposed to be?
[16:16] <BigRedS> you may have more luck in a more proxmox-focussed channel
[16:16] <xalyy_> mydedicatedip:8006
[16:16] <BigRedS> okay, so is it firewalled off?
[16:17] <BigRedS> can you connect to that at all?
[16:17] <BigRedS> you say you want to " check the network is working fine"; what makes you think it isn't?
[16:19] <xalyy_> Idk
[16:19] <xalyy_> On my comp it working fine on my oracle vm
[16:20] <xalyy_> But the dedi's proxmox gui not workig
[16:31] <AlanBell> xalyy_: can you at least ping it?
[16:31] <xalyy_> Yes lol
[16:31] <xalyy_> You meant my Dedis ip?
[16:31] <AlanBell> so you don't have a network problem
[16:32] <xalyy_> Yes I can ping my dedi's ip
[16:32] <xalyy_> from my comp
[16:33] <AlanBell> ok, but you are getting no response from the web server port?
[16:33] <AlanBell> can the server connect to itself on that port?
[16:33] <AlanBell> so lynx localhost:8006
[16:33] <xalyy_> Type that command on my dedi?
[16:34] <AlanBell> yeah, is it serving anything for you to connect to?
[16:35] <xalyy_> Alert!
[16:35] <xalyy_> Unexpected network read error
[16:37] <AlanBell> try lynx localhost:1234
[16:37] <AlanBell> just to compare error messages
[16:38] <AlanBell> Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host. would be the error I would expect
[16:39] <AlanBell> however you are not running Ubuntu so it might be different (which is why you should be going to an appropriate place for proxmox support)
[16:39] <xalyy_> Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host.
[16:42] <AlanBell> ok, so that is the error message when connecting to a port with nothing happening on it
[16:42] <AlanBell> so the thing you are expecting to be running on 8006 isn't, so you need to go solve that problem
[16:43] <xalyy_> How? :D
[16:45] <BigRedS> that depends on what it is that should be running there and what hte OS is
[16:47] <xalyy_> Its debian
[16:47] <xalyy_> and there should be running proxmox i said :P
[16:52] <BigRedS> okay, like I said earlier I think this would be quicker if you find someone who knows proxmox
[16:52] <BigRedS> but    netstat -ntlp | grep 8006   should tell you if anything is bound to that port
[16:53] <xalyy_> It says listen
[16:54] <xalyy_> But who and where should I find someone
[16:54] <BigRedS> not sure; does proxmox have an irc channel?
[16:58] <daftykins> wow, this topic still? >_<
[17:00] <daftykins> xalyy_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && netstat -tuln | pastebinit
[17:00] <xalyy_> Whats daT?
[17:01] <daftykins> a program to pastebin the output of that command so we can see
[17:01] <knightwise> If you have any questions regarding proxmox you might want to ask Lord Drachenblut for advice
[17:05] <xalyy_> Is he here?
[17:11] <daftykins> run what i said
[17:36] <andylockran> heya guys
[17:41] <daftykins> hi sir
[18:20] <mapps> hey daftykins
[18:20] <mapps> andatche,
[18:20] <mapps> andylockran,
[18:20] <daftykins> \o
[18:21] <mapps> sup mate
[18:34] <daftykins> not bad here ty, just doing chores and what not today
[18:34] <daftykins> tried looking at doing my tax return online, so a seriously exciting sunday!
[18:36] <daftykins> why do tax websites assume you know their acronyms O_O
[18:36] <daftykins> "ETI"
[18:36] <penguin42> ETI?
[18:37] <DJones> popey: Just as a heads up, Bitfolk's minecraft server looks to be down, I'm not in their minecraft channel to highlight you or grifferz there
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> well then: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00338.html
[18:45] <shauno> yay?
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I wonder how Ubuntu is going to handle that.. they started/sponsor upstart
[18:46] <shauno> oh I'm not thinking that far ahead.  I'm just hoping it means a ceasation to hostilities.  peace to all man and stuff like that
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> nah, because "we're going for systemd" was clear
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> that was always going to be the outcome of that vote
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> what I want to see is the other points: will maintainers be required to accept patches to make software work with other init systems or not?
[18:48] <popey> DJones: ta
[18:50] <directhex> upstart is dead now.
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> directhex: well, it will be in the LTS for another few years
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> and it's in ChromeOS, I think?
[18:51] <directhex> the init system that only ubuntu uses. every upstream will be using systemd dependencies (gnome does already, kde does for wayland & will for x.org soon, xfce will soon). canonical can spend money on continuing to duplicate systemd functionality in upstart, or spend less just binning it & using systemd
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> directhex: yes, but my point is that it's too late for 14.04
[18:52] <directhex> or say "we don't care" and be the distro without kde, gnome or xfce
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> 14.10, sure
[18:52] <directhex> MartijnVdS, oh, sure, 14.04 will be upstart
[18:52] <directhex> okay, upstart is bleeding out, but still breathing
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> I just wished the systemd supporters didn't sound so much like a cult
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> "IT'S BETTER BECAUSE IT IS"
[18:53] <popey> only ubuntu.. and every derivative
[18:53] <daftykins> lmao
[18:54] <popey> which probably (speculating) accounts for more installs of upstart than all total installs of systemd.. probably
[18:54] <ali1234> systemd is technically massively better than upstart
[18:54] <popey> i don't doubt that ☻
[18:54] <ali1234> the only reason people don't like systemd is because of lennart
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, except nobody seems to be able to explain how
[18:54] <directhex> popey, valve using sysvinit will eclipse both :D
[18:54] <popey> upstart will live on in 14.04 for years
[18:54] <ali1234> otoh the only reason people don't like upstart is because of canonical
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: also Lennart, ture.
[18:54] <popey> directhex: how many steamos installs?
[18:54] <directhex> popey, give it a few months...
[18:54] <ali1234> really either one of them is perfectly able to do what debian requires
[18:55] <popey> given how many chrome laptops seem to have been sold, they're doing pretty well
[18:55] <popey> i tire of the "only ubuntu" comment, given how many servers and clients that amounts to
[18:55] <popey> if it dies, it dies, so be it
[18:55] <ali1234> it amounts to diddly squat compared to windows
[18:55] <popey> indeed
[18:56] <ali1234> if install base was the only important thing, we shouldn't be using linux at all
[18:56] <directhex> don't forget webos! all those pre's!
[18:56] <popey> jolla is systemd isnt it?
[18:57] <ali1234> of course it is
[18:57] <ali1234> it's based on meego
[18:57] <popey> ah yes
[18:57] <directhex> ubuntu doesn't exist in a vacuum. as long as they use components from gnome, kde, xfce, they can either continue to emulate systemd or move to systemd - or, as is the case currently, fix with antique versions of the underlying bits
[18:58] <popey> well we're not moving to systemd till at least 14.10
[18:58] <popey> be surprised if we did even then
[18:58] <ali1234> incidentally, xfce will not require systemd any time soon
[18:59] <popey> quite fancy a steamos box under the telly
[18:59] <popey> also fancy a better telly
[18:59] <ali1234> unlike debian, xfce actually has a significant install base on bsd
[19:02] <ali1234> well ok, it's probably smaller than debian's, but as a percentage of total user base it's bigger
[19:25] <ali1234> is it just me or is scan's today only page now basically a list of everything they sell?
[19:32] <penguin42> ali1234: It's not quite that big for me
[20:05] <mapps> yo
[20:19] <foobarry> what's the best app for ripping mp3?
[20:19] <foobarry> clementine isn't working with audio cd's
[20:20] <foobarry> looks like a kde/phonon issue
[21:07] <popey> AlanBell: we need to organise a release party!
[21:08] <AlanBell> yes!
[21:09] <AlanBell> April 17th is the release date
[21:10] <popey> oof, really?
[21:10] <popey> !trusty
[21:10] <popey> I thought it was 24th
[21:10] <popey> so it is
[21:18] <AlanBell> next to good friday
[21:18] <shauno> I'm kinda curous what the upgrade from lucid will be like
[21:29] <daftykins> heh i plan to just clean install my servers
[21:32] <shauno> I kinda do both
[21:33] <shauno> I also completely over-use the word 'kinda'.  but still
[21:33] <shauno> bitfolk have a fantastic policy where they'll provide you with a second VM for a transition period of .. I think 2 weeks?
[21:34] <shauno> I try not to abuse this (I mean, I'm still on lucid), but usually I'll do this, and then try to migrate the original just to see how much it hurts
[21:35] <BigRedS> I've generally found that migrating to a new install is more faff than dist-upgrading in-place3
[21:35] <BigRedS> though I do tend to make a bit of a mess, easiest to just let the computer deal with noticing what's installed and where
[21:37] <shauno> I like the clean starts.  I tend to accumulate cruft
[21:39] <BigRedS> yeah, I like to keep that cruft :)
[21:39] <BigRedS> mostly I'll go through stuff pre-upgrade and remove obviously-uneccesary things
[21:39] <daftykins> more faff perhaps, but less likely to go wonky? :>
[21:39] <BigRedS> but otherwise there's just this long period of remembering that thing that I used to have running and what was it that made that work again?
[21:40] <daftykins> that's why i take notes like an engineer
[21:40] <shauno> I have a fairly short list of expectations for my VM.  narrowing it back down to those every upgrade tends to be quite productive
[21:41] <BigRedS> daftykins that sounds too much like work
[21:43] <daftykins> hahaha
[21:45] <shauno> well, I keep my vps for a narrow task set.  so it's nowhere near as painful as it sounds
[21:47] <popey> shauno: try it? ☻
[21:47] <daftykins> wee cat vid: https://www.dropbox.com/s/27ibqn579402aai/VID_20140209_214132.mp4
[21:48] <popey> i have a lucid vps, might skip precise on that and go direct to trusty
[21:48] <shauno> oh I'll try it.  but I'll ping andy to brew me a new VM first :)
[21:49] <shauno> my vps is my mail & dns servers.  curiousity is always a plan B
[21:53] <daftykins> :)
[21:54] <daftykins> i continue to be under the impression that ones own email running is a pain
[21:54] <shauno> oh it is
[21:55] <shauno> it totally $(inappropriate metaphor)'s the big one
[21:55] <shauno> but the alternatives are all pretty dire
[21:56] <daftykins> i'm happy to live on gmail, if i setup a company and have a domain for it i might just fiddle with 'send as' from that
[21:56] <daftykins> although Google Apps for 1 user @ £33/yr would be tempting
[21:56] <popey> https://github.com/mbebenita/Broadway golly
[21:56] <shauno> well, that's a large part of the problem.  gmail is basically the alternative at this point.  and I trust them less and less every day
[21:57] <daftykins> they are certainly growing in evil it would seem
[22:00] <shauno> that, and for me, it's a useful skillset to keeep warm
[22:06] <daftykins> :)
[22:06] <daftykins> very true
[22:08] <shauno> we have a lot of legacy devices that still use smtp for transmission (everything from the last 15 years uses https)
[22:09] <shauno> so being able to 'speak' smtp comes in way too useful, far too often
[22:35] <daftykins> shauno: the raw command style? :D
[22:36] <shauno> in a lot of cases, yes :(  "send me a packet trace" is my default "if I couldn't guess in 5 minutes"


[06:39] <AskUbuntu> What does "LDS" stand for in the openstack reference implementation? | http://askubuntu.com/q/486609
[13:17] <AskUbuntu> what is maas exactly? | http://askubuntu.com/q/486701
[17:47] <loki27_> Hi
[17:47] <loki27_> I have installed 1 master MAAS node and deployed 4 nodes that are in "Ready state"
[17:47] <loki27_> now what ?
[17:57] <Ratabunti> Yeah, I think you'l probably want to depploy services using juju
[17:58] <loki27_> That's what i fured out..
[17:58] <loki27_> trying to do that
[17:58] <Ratabunti> me too
[17:58] <loki27_> are you deploying juju on the master maas ?
[17:58] <loki27_> or standalone
[17:59] <Ratabunti> well , I've deployed it on the 2 clusters controllers and a node
[18:00] <Ratabunti> not sure if that's right, documentation goes a bit diverse at this point
[18:01] <loki27_> heh it's not realy straight forward at a point
[18:01] <loki27_> (same thing with mirantis anyway..)
[18:02] <Ratabunti> I won't bother trying that then, I donwloaded it in case I spent too much time with maass/juju/openstack
[18:02] <loki27_> Ha see... im moving on ubuntu because i've spent lots of time on mirantis ;)
[18:03] <loki27_> It does work.. but is still complex
[18:03] <Ratabunti> and landscape - not sure what that's all about, trying out the 30 day trial, but it seems to not sync up with the cc's or region controller
[18:04] <loki27_> Have not tried this one
[18:04] <loki27_> I liked mirantis because they should be vendor neutral
[18:04] <loki27_> Ubuntu/MAAS should be also, but not sure about canonical
[18:04] <Ratabunti> just adds them so you can monitor/update/reboot everything I can do from maas webfront and rrdtool
[18:05] <Ratabunti> just thought I'd give it a go, but seems to be adding an extra layer of confusion
[18:06] <loki27_> I have not found a simple deploy solution yet that can be considered for production use
[18:06] <loki27_> And that may be a good thing.. one has to understand what's going on to deploy openstack, no matter what flavor is used
[18:08] <Ratabunti> I tried that first, took a while, but was getting somewhere
[18:09] <loki27_> It depends on what you are trying to deploy..
[18:11] <Ratabunti> Well, I'm forcing everyone at home to stop using windows. I want virtual servers for myself. and would like to get that maximum from the hardware i have a my disposal
[18:12] <Ratabunti> home cloud/nas/mining/remote control/snapshots
[18:12] <loki27_> Well i think you bring LOTS of overhead if you need virtualisation..  :P
[18:12] <loki27_> Unless you do it to learn openstack hehe
[18:13] <loki27_> You could probably go with a solution like Proxmox.. not expensive, and you have the ability to build CEPH storage now
[18:13] <loki27_> and deploy on all your nodes, with a low overhead
[18:13] <Ratabunti> Well, aparaently not if you can forward your GPU's to the guest OS, and don't talk to me about proxmox ol
[18:13] <Ratabunti> lol
[18:13] <loki27_> really ?
[18:13] <Ratabunti> Thtat was the forst attempt
[18:13] <loki27_> i tested it,was great
[18:14] <loki27_> would consider for home usage .. but did not want to go with it for commercial needs
[18:14] <Ratabunti> Just could not get it to VT-d my pci-e cards
[18:14] <loki27_> it does not have the multi-tenancy and scalability that comes with ostack
[18:14] <loki27_> You will probably get the same issues with openstack ..
[18:15] <loki27_> if you use KVM, it's more of a KVM issue then Proxmox or Openstack really .
[18:15] <Ratabunti> probably but openstack is far more versitle
[18:15] <Ratabunti> and scalable
[18:15] <loki27_> true, you really need scalability for home ? :P
[18:16] <Ratabunti> and long term, it's probably a better skill to have
[18:16] <Ratabunti> who says, it'll remain at home, one of the ccs is moving soon
[18:17] <loki27_> http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=205476201405281707192.jpg
[18:17] <Ratabunti> nice
[18:18] <loki27_> HA virtualisation lab :P
[18:18] <Ratabunti> I have two mining rigs with 12 GPU's altogether so far, ad
[18:18] <Ratabunti> will be expanding soon.
[18:19] <Ratabunti> dinner got to ge
[18:19] <Ratabunti> nice talkng
[18:19] <loki27_> ok bye
[23:03] <DreamDemon> Anyone dealt with MAAS and hardware that is not the same?
[23:03] <DreamDemon> ie: HPDL385 & Supermicro SuperServer?
[23:08] <DreamDemon> anyone alive?


[11:24] <lool> ogra: Check the email I just fwed you
[11:25] <lool> this is so going to rock
[11:26] <NCommander> morning lool
[11:28] <lool> hey
[11:28] <NCommander> how goes it?
[11:30] <lool> Almost over my "flu" or whatever it was that looked like a flu
[11:32] <NCommander> Lucky
[11:32] <lool> what about you?
[11:32] <NCommander> I'm thinking I'm coming down with it now -_-;
[11:32] <lool> Ah sorry about that
[11:32] <NCommander> oh well
[11:32] <lool> davidm and cgregan had it much earlier though, hopefully you didn't get it from me
[11:32] <NCommander> Anyway
[11:33] <NCommander> kde4bindings builds

[11:33] <NCommander> Once we're out of freeze KDE is fixed I hope
[12:18] <theseinfeld> NCommander kde4bindings builds where? Also in lpia?
[12:18] <theseinfeld> intrepid?
[12:18] <NCommander> jaunty
[12:19] <theseinfeld> any back-port?
[12:19] <theseinfeld> actually, is it so that we still keep lpia?
[12:20] <NCommander> lpia has its own issues
[12:20] <NCommander> kde4bindings was badly broken on ARM
[12:41] <theseinfeld> so, it doesn't build for armel, but for everything else
[12:41] <theseinfeld> the jaunty
[12:41] <theseinfeld> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1
[12:41] <persia> theseinfeld, It's still waiting.
[12:42]  * persia encourages ARM discussions to move to #ubuntu-devel, #kubuntu-devel, or #ubuntu-arm depending on the level of flavour or architecture specificity
[12:42] <theseinfeld> question is, can we backport it to lpia?
[12:43] <theseinfeld> there are packages that don't install because of that dependency
[12:43] <theseinfeld> the libplasma2 for example
[12:43] <persia> It built on lpia : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.1.85-0ubuntu1/+build/814841
[12:43]  * theseinfeld apologizes to persia...
[12:44] <theseinfeld> yes, but not on intrepid
[12:44] <theseinfeld> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1/+build/776527
[12:44] <theseinfeld> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4bindings/4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2/+build/742603
[12:45] <theseinfeld> that is where is stops
[12:45] <theseinfeld> that is also why I asked NCommander if he will backport it to intrepid
[12:45] <theseinfeld> :D
[12:45] <persia> Ah.  Nevermind :)
[12:46]  * theseinfeld scratches his head...
[12:46] <theseinfeld> Nevermind what? :D I mind if there is nothing there in intrepid...
[12:47] <theseinfeld> If people do a aptitude full-upgrade and they have libplasma2 it will be quite an experience :D
[12:48] <persia> "nevermind" as in "ignore my input", and yes, it ought be fixed.  FTBFS usually is SRU-worthy.
[12:53] <theseinfeld> it is not working since...november... I think :d
[12:53] <theseinfeld> persia, define SRU worthy in lpia :D
[12:53] <NCommander> It's not that easy
[12:53] <persia> theseinfeld, Same as anything else, but needs to be regression-tested also against primary architectures, as for any port.
[12:53] <NCommander> lpia's mono is miserably broken, and there are a load of things that had to be fixed, such as circular build depends to get that going on jaunty :-/
[12:54] <persia> NCommander, didn't the Kubuntu team basically decide to give up on lpia for intrepid?
[12:54] <theseinfeld> yeah, I know... I've been talking with Hobbsee some time ago on this topic...
[12:55] <NCommander> persia, I gave up, no one else decided to fix it :-)
[12:55] <theseinfeld> shouldn't there be an update on Bug #289402
[12:55]  * NCommander notes that breakage happened very late in the cycle, and it wasn't caught until just before/after final freeze
[13:11] <theseinfeld> NCommander, wasn't that kde python that was causing the mess?
[13:12] <NCommander> yeah
[13:12] <theseinfeld> How bad will it work without it?
[13:12] <theseinfeld> :D
[13:12] <NCommander> We can't build it sanely
[13:12] <NCommander> and it won't build without
[13:12] <NCommander> I forgot how we fixed it for jaunty
[13:12] <theseinfeld> LOL
[13:12] <NCommander> but I'm not going to try and fix it for intrepid
[13:12] <theseinfeld> can't you just backport it? like, make that package in intrepid?
[13:13]  * theseinfeld is thinking: launchpad ppa copy feature?
[13:13] <persia> theseinfeld, Try changing the target in the changelog and pushing to your PPA.  Might break, but might work.
[13:14] <persia> worst case, you'll need to rebuild much larger chunks of stuff, which is where it gets ugly.
[13:14] <theseinfeld> I have the build, like NCommander, I just forgot how I fixed it :D
[13:14] <theseinfeld> I had it for lpia intrepid even...at some point
[13:19] <theseinfeld> I think that that issue is that in the ports.ubuntu. lpia repo there is no more ubuntu9 for that kdebase...
[13:20] <theseinfeld> the break comes between kdebase-workspace...ubuntu9 and ubuntu12
[13:20] <theseinfeld> at least last time when I checked
[13:20] <theseinfeld> perhaps lool, when he recovers can check this as well :D
[13:25] <NCommander> theseinfeld, if you can provide debdiffs, I'd be willing to look at the possibility of getting it fixed via intrepid-updates
[13:29] <ogra> lool, seen that ? http://lwn.net/Articles/311890/
[13:31] <lool> ogra: Cool
[13:33] <lool> ogra: I looked into cross building an initrd or initramfs from x86 for armel, and it's not easy; initramfs-tools is shell but runs commands and you can't override its root (so it uses /usr/share), yaird as a similar problem
[13:33] <ogra> yeah, you'll need qemu at least
[13:35] <lool> theseinfeld: hmm?
[13:35] <lool> theseinfeld: I thought the circular build-dep was gone in newer kdes
[13:35] <lool> ogra: But even with qemu
[13:35] <lool> You need something like scratchbox to do it
[13:35] <lool> Which is where it becomes ugly
[13:35] <ogra> though the design of arm kernels might help us here, you might not actually need an initramfs if you have NAND
[13:36] <lool> ogra: (You checked that email I forwarded you?)
[13:36] <ogra> i.e. have a minimal rootfs that you can use on firstboot to generate the initramfs
[13:36] <persia> Depends on the device, and architecture doesn't matter.  I used to boot an amd64 device off nand, which then broke horribly when initramfs was introduced.
[13:37] <persia> Even so, running with a compressed initrd was faster, as the read time to real memory was *much* faster than the read time to the NAND.
[13:38] <ogra> persia, i dont mean to really boot without it, but if you have a rootfs.gz sitting in NAND you can mount it through a bootoption, generate a proper initramfs, reboot and voila
[13:38] <ogra> our initramfs has to boot in any case ... we shouldnt differ from the main distro ... but we migh not be able to generate it in advance
[13:39] <ogra> having a rootfs.gz could be a way around that but only where you have NAND available
[13:39] <persia> Oh, right, and then store the generated initramfs back to the NAND.
[13:39] <ogra> right
[13:40] <ogra> lool, yes, i looked at the arm stuff, sounds cool
[13:40] <persia> Just make sure that the driver for the NAND is in the initramfs: that's why I don't boot my workstation off NAND anymore.
[13:40] <ogra> indeed
[13:40] <ogra> persia, welcome back btw ... took you a while :)
[13:42] <persia> ogra, Lots to catch up on before submitting myself to the distraction of live IRC :)
[13:42] <ogra> ah
[13:42] <ogra> i thought you were routed through intresting airports :)
[13:43] <persia> No, I flew direct.  Turned out there were several flights on Saturday, and I caught the second after I arrived at the airport, so only had to wait about an hour.
[13:44] <lool> Ah you had the flew as well
[13:44] <persia> heh, well, not quite the same one :)
[13:53] <ogra> heh
[14:21] <NCommander> morning ogra and lool
[14:26] <lool> morning again
[14:30]  * NCommander is obviously repeating himself :-)
[17:49] <lool> Hmm where would I report a bug on the text which is in the cdimage build scripts
[17:50] <lool> StevenK, ogra: around?
[17:50] <lool> StevenK, ogra: the text on the boot menu for UMPC doesn't fit "Try Ubuntu UMPC without any c" (change)
[17:56] <lool> In fact I can't file bugs about images
[17:56] <lool> I guess Ubuntu
[18:17] <Luciole`-> Hi everyone
[18:17] <Luciole`-> Anyone here ?
[18:18] <Luciole`-> Well, anyway
[18:18] <Luciole`-> I do have a question about UNR
[18:19] <Luciole`-> Is there any special Atom-optimization in UNR iso
[18:19] <Luciole`-> or Atom-optimizations are deployed on the whole 8.10
[18:19] <Luciole`-> I mean, I just installed a standard Ubuntu 8.10 on a Atom-netbook
[18:20] <Luciole`-> and then installed UNR packets for the GUI
[18:20] <Luciole`-> but do I miss Atom optimizations ?
[18:20] <Luciole`-> Thanks if anyone reads :)
[18:34] <ogra> lool, known issue
[18:35] <ogra> lool, the seed isnt matching either yet, i was planning to change it on the go towards alpha3 ... bootability and a running ubiquity is all i care for for alpha2
[18:37] <ogra> lool, i have a half prepared netbook seed already to adjust teh umpc image but wanted to wait until post alpha
[18:37]  * ogra goes back into vacation mode
[19:00] <lool> ogra: StevenK has been working on the seed as well, you two need to coordinate
[19:00] <lool> I think he has a branch or something


[22:15] <DonkeyHotei> [Tue 2013-08-20 10:48:56 PM PDT]  <tgm4883> I won't say it's not going to happen, but it's not exactly at the top of our todo list <----- i put it in my ppa; just copy it to the mythbuntu ppa: https://launchpad.net/~daniel-gimpelevich/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/3440172/+listing-archive-extra


[00:58] <wxl> @HMollerCl you might have some input ont his one https://github.com/palinek/nm-tray/issues/47
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl you might have some input ont his one https://github.com/paline …], done
[01:43] <wxl> @HMollerCl thanks :)
 since I'm on the art repositories
 I will add another openbox theme with different close button and inactive window color
 do you like LubuntuArc2 name?
 Looks good to me.
 changed to "Lubuntu Round"
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[02:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Add Lubuntu Round Openbox Theme and change background and hover color for in menu search: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D70
[04:06] <wxl> @teward001 i think mail might be stuck. i didn't get notified of the above and i'm set as a reviewer
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 i think mail might be stuck. i didn't get notified of the above …], i'll check.
 having some issues with mail on my end too
 but that's due to some other issues on my side
[04:09] <wxl> for that matter i missed some discourse notifications, too, although that could be for different reasons
 remind me the address used?
[04:11] <wxl> my email?
 ahhh i see what happened here hang on
 it's been flagged as an open relay
[04:11]  * wxl grabs on tight
 which... is not surprising given we have to open-relay for phab.lubuntu.me
 ewww, the other problem is logs and journals ate everything
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 i think mail might be stuck. i didn't get notified of the above …], I also didn't get notified about a task in which I was mentioned.
[04:25] <wxl> all the disk space???
 yeah it's not a huge disk
 trying to figure out what's eating space now
[04:26] <wxl> $HOME/.xsession.errors is always a fun one but probably not applicable XD
 nope
 it's just a small disk space
 and I fubar'd the config and made it an open relay oops
 so smtp.lubuntu.me is now offline for general mail until I dig deep enough to fix this
 may migrate it to another host...
 ehhhhhhh yheah i maaaaaaaaaay have fubar'd it for a while
 it WAS running as an open relay (OOPS)
 so i'mma spin a new smtp.lubuntu.me i think
 with more space
 and migrate stuff there
 so E:PATIENCEREQUIRED
 Let me know when it's fixed. I have my github email as lubuntu mail id. Also at a few other places.
 so
 @lubuntu.me won't be affected
 it's @*.lubuntu.me (phab, discourse, etc.) that will be affected
 SMTP access is restricted currently to just our infrastructure and my test system
 but i'll fix that in a little while later
 migrating the services over currently, and will need an emergency call into canonical sysadmin for the DNS change
 once i get things operational
[05:17] <wxl> yikes perhaps it might not be wise to give them a heads up to let them know it's coming down the pike? maybe ask them to prioritize the ticket ahead of time
 i'm actually tempted to give it a different identifying hostname and rDNS but i'm a lazy sod xD
 it'll take some time for me to finish migrating things anyways so
 @teward001<EMAIL_ADDRESS>won't be affected], K.
[18:27] <wxl> i think at the end of a successful install
[18:27] <wxl> oops there i go again
[18:49] <kc2bez> I feel better now
[18:49] <wxl> now that i managed to ding the wrong channel again? XD
[18:49] <kc2bez> Yes XD
[18:50]  * wxl threatens kc2bez with a wet fish
[18:50]  * kc2bez runs
[21:49] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T54: Properly implement different wallpapers for different monitors] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T54#3024
 how can we change SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN to qt5?
 I know we can make it in lxqt, is that the best option?
 found it in startlxqt. Do we have our own or it comes from lxqt?
 @HMollerCl [found it in startlxqt. Do we have our own or it comes from lxqt?], IIRC we use theirs but have our own desktop file with our own env vars in default settings
 will look at it
 but, upstream already has done it, in may19. https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-session/commit/55a59f8c9d42a4fefbcd300ff62eee4b621fe6c4