[03:49] <gnomefreak> can we change the .desktop file for granparadiso so it reads granparadiso instead of firefox (development version)
[09:03] <asac> gnomefreak: yes ... will do
[10:12] <gnomefreak> asac: ty
[10:13] <gnomefreak> asac: is the commit/push the same?
[10:18] <gnomefreak> ok now im confused, we are still building iceape-calendar with iceape?
[10:23] <asac> gnomefreak: he? ... yes i hoped that debian tarball had it included
[10:23] <asac> now i am unsure :)
[10:23] <asac> but i think we can just grab the stable tarball
[10:23] <asac> let me see
[10:24] <gnomefreak> i havent tried to see if it works
[10:24] <asac> oh
[10:24] <asac> no its not 1.1.x
[10:24] <asac> hmm
[10:24] <gnomefreak> i was assuming no after what pitti said
[10:24] <asac> its empty atm
[10:24] <asac> i have to talk to debian maintainer ... e.g. if he wants to drop it or add it to tarball forever :)
[10:24] <gnomefreak> all iceape calendar is is sunbird right?
[10:25] <asac> somehow related, but not the same
[10:25] <asac> iceape-calendar is for iceape what lightning is for thunderbird
[10:25] <asac> e.g. more or less an calendar extension
[10:25] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[10:26] <asac> gnomefreak: debian bug 428775
[10:26] <ubotu> Debian bug 428775 in icedove "*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/icedove/icedove-bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x08edfac0 ***" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/428775
[10:26] <asac> acutally it has been moved to be a "gutsy" bug
[10:26] <gnomefreak> asac: if seamonkey no longer supports it i say dont add it back but it is a good idea to build with it ino
[10:26] <asac> have we retrieved something similar from other gutsy users?
[10:26] <asac> gnomefreak: i think so yes.
[10:27] <asac> i just want to check back with debian
[10:27] <asac> if he committs to maintain it in orig, then fine
[10:27] <gnomefreak> yes im not sure about the invalid pointer part
[10:27] <asac> but i don't think so, because he alrewady way pissed on stable security upload
[10:27] <asac> ... as he had to add it there manually
[10:28] <asac> gnomefreak: no other report?
[10:28] <asac> then probably his install is borked
[10:28] <gnomefreak> im not sure if it has been reported. let me try something
[10:29] <gnomefreak> iceape-gnome-support is borked
[10:30] <gnomefreak> on gutsy we get :
[10:30] <gnomefreak> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: iceape-bin[30489] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[10:30] <asac> yeah we get that everywhere in mozilla products atm
[10:30] <asac> i think its a new warning from latest glib
[10:31] <asac> gnomefreak: there should be an upstream bug ... can you search?
[10:31] <asac> i will then develop a fix
[10:31] <asac> (e.g. if there is no patch upstream yet)
[10:31] <gnomefreak> upstream bug for glib bug?
[10:31] <asac> mozilla bug
[10:32] <gnomefreak> but the warning im getting?
[10:32] <asac> yeah ... just search for g_thread_init + MEMORY-WARNING
[10:33] <asac> if there is a bug it should show up imo
[10:33] <gnomefreak> ok give me a few im fixing my mess up
[10:33] <asac> yeah ... no need to hurry
[10:33] <asac> appears to cause not much troubles ;)
[10:33] <gnomefreak> than smoke than look :)
[10:33] <asac> but i see people claiming that this is the reason for all there crashes in future :)
[10:33] <asac> so better fix it ;)
[10:34] <asac> instead of arguing hundreds time
[10:42] <asac> ok send mail to debian maintainer list
[10:42] <gnomefreak> first look nothing found but i havent had coffee nor smoke yet
[10:42] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... get coffee ... smoke 2 cigarettes ;)
[10:42] <asac> then look again
[10:42] <asac> :-D
[10:55] <asac> debian bug 428775 was about tango icons
[10:55] <asac> wtf
[10:55] <ubotu> Debian bug 428775 in icedove "*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/icedove/icedove-bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x08edfac0 ***" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/428775
[10:55] <asac> what are those tango icons ... its not the first crash we received because of them
[10:56] <gnomefreak> IMO tango is fairly ugly but lots of people love them
[10:56] <asac> are they in some package?
[10:56] <gnomefreak> tango == gtk iccon set
[10:57] <asac> yes i know
[10:57] <asac> can you try ... apparently thunderbird just crashes right away if you try to use them
[10:57] <asac> WHY!!!
[10:57] <asac> ?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> not sure what source package is
[10:57] <gnomefreak> asac: i dissagree
[10:57] <asac> are they installed by default?
[10:57] <gnomefreak> yes
[10:57] <asac> gnomefreak: on what do you disagree?
[10:57] <asac> that thunderbird crashes?
[10:58] <gnomefreak> give me a minute and ill test but i am 80% sure tbird isnt crashing due to that icon set
[10:58] <asac> yeah ... but its definitly not the first who reports that problem goes away using these
[10:58] <asac> aeh no using these
[10:59] <Admiral_Chicago> evening...
[10:59] <gnomefreak> change icons than start tbird?
[11:00] <gnomefreak> tbird is running fine i think i see your email too
[11:00] <gnomefreak> lol @live or let die
[11:01] <gnomefreak> tbird works fine with tango icon theme. might want to make sure they are not doing something else
[11:02] <gnomefreak> btw i used to use tango icons and tbird always worked
[11:02] <gnomefreak> maybe is tbird running when they change icon theme?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> still dont see upstream bug on it (the glib error) brb smoke again
[11:08] <asac> i will ask reporter to help more
[11:09] <asac> bug 119836
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119836 in thunderbird "Latest version hungs after downloading new mail" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119836
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: do you remember the PW for the channel
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> seems i forgot it after all...
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> i'll try some more things
[11:11] <Admiral_Chicago> i got it i think
[11:13] <gnomefreak> this channel?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> i dont think i ever had it (sure i can find out if needed though)
[11:14] <asac> ok granparadiso pushed to NEW queue
[11:15] <asac> ... and updated my bzr branch
[11:15] <asac> accordingly
[11:15] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[11:15] <gnomefreak> how long are we gonna leave it in gutsy?
[11:15] <asac> actually ... the copyright checkin should be merged to firefox-trunk branch as well
[11:16] <asac> dunno :)
[11:17] <asac> it will be in universe
[11:17] <asac> so ... maybe forever ;)
[11:17] <asac> e.g. update if final comes out
[11:17] <asac> through SRU :)
[11:17] <asac> this package is of high strategic value ... ubuntu should be the distribution that you use if you want the latest and greatest firefox :-D
[11:17] <asac> actually ... I am thinking about pushing this to debian as well
[11:17] <asac> rofl
[11:17] <asac> maybe rename package from firefox-granparadiso to just granparadiso
[11:18] <asac> but i will have to ask mofo about it first ;)
[11:18] <gnomefreak> that would be nice but i think (after helping people for a couple of years) that they wont have a clue and it seems only a handful know how to check with apt-cache
[11:19] <gnomefreak> motu?
[11:19] <asac> he?
[11:19] <asac> in debian they definitly know about apt-cache
[11:19] <gnomefreak> yeah it seems the users in #ubuntu dont :(
[11:19] <asac> ah ... yeah ... those that don't have a clue shouldn't use it
[11:19] <gnomefreak> and i wish i was joking
[11:19] <asac> i guess once its in the word will spread through forums et al
[11:19] <asac> so ... those that are good enough will find out
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i heard yesterday that ubuntu devels should troll the forums for wishlist posts for gutsy lol
[11:20] <asac> wishlist posts?
[11:20] <gnomefreak> i told him to start filing bugs
[11:20] <asac> announce posts to attract more testing
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: things that people want to see in gutsy
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: can you install latest gnash in gutsy?
[11:21] <asac> e.g. mozilla-plugin-gnash ?
[11:21] <gnomefreak> gnash == 64 bit?
[11:21] <asac> should be version 0.8.0..something
[11:21] <asac> no ... gnash is on every architecture
[11:21] <asac> (64-bit as well)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> trying
[11:22] <gnomefreak> what part is said to fail?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> 0.8.0.cvs....
[11:22] <gnomefreak> oops -cvs
[11:23] <gnomefreak> let me know when you push copyright to trunk
[11:23] <gnomefreak> i will than update trunk package
[11:25] <asac> gnomefreak: for gnash? it should just work ;)
[11:25] <gnomefreak> installs fine
[11:25] <asac> damn i prpared an announcement for gnash ... now i cannot find it
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i thought you asked because of the bug on it fails to install
[11:41] <asac><EMAIL_ADDRESS>... is that a valid list?
[11:42] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:43] <asac> not ubuntu-users?
[11:43] <asac> ah forget about it
[11:43] <asac> will just post to -devel ... and post a forum post i guess
[11:44] <asac> gnomefreak: do you have gnash installed?
[11:44] <asac> (have you removed other flash plugins?)
[11:45] <asac> can you please ensure in about:plugins that you only have gnash serving flash content
[11:45] <asac> ??
[11:45] <asac> then please test easy-codec-install (before i send out announcement)
[11:45] <asac> like: uninstall gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
[11:46] <asac> visit http://www.youtube.com and see if a codec install dialog pops up when you want to watch a video
[11:46] <asac> that dialog should suggest you to install gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg ... and allows you to select it for install
[11:46] <asac> once your install has finished and you closed the install wizard, the video should just resume to play
[11:48] <gnomefreak> i have gnash i didnt remove flash
[11:49] <gnomefreak> k ill test
[11:52] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[11:52] <gnomefreak> there is no java plugins in about:plugins in firefox
[11:53] <gnomefreak> this isnt good
[11:54] <gnomefreak> the add/remove button on the add/remove applications dialog is greyed out
[11:55] <gnomefreak> double clicking it brings up confirm dialog
[11:55] <gnomefreak> now the add/remove button is right
[11:56] <gnomefreak> IMHO you shouldnt have to double click the codec before you can install it
[11:56] <gnomefreak> but i guess that is easy-codec-install that does that
[11:57] <gnomefreak> other than notes above it works great
[11:57] <gnomefreak> gnash is working (sweet)
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: cool
[12:01] <asac> gnomefreak: do you see stripes in the left of the video
[12:01] <asac> or does the film look decent?
[12:02] <gnomefreak> it looks good
[12:02] <asac> cool then its hardware/driver related what i see here
[12:02] <asac> ... sending announcement :)
[12:02] <gnomefreak> k
[12:08] <asac> mike plans to reintroduce calendar
[12:08] <asac> see maintainer list post
[12:09] <asac> i will wait half a day then forward that gnash post to forums (to get a feeling how much traffic a post there generates :))
[12:10] <asac> pushing orig tarball for grandparadiso takes ages :(
[12:10] <asac> they forgot about my initial orig tarball ... now i have to repush everything :/
[12:17] <asac> i already disklike fedora ... they only release DVD ... takes ages to pull
[12:17] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:18] <bluekuja> heya!
[12:18] <gnomefreak> fedora7 is only on dvd iirc but <7 is on cd (multiple) and dvd
[12:18] <gnomefreak> morning bluekuja
[12:18] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, morning :)
[12:18] <bluekuja> asac: :)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> asac: you wanted the debian/copyright file in trunk package?
[12:19] <gnomefreak> from granparadiso
[12:20] <asac> gnomefreak: i want the commit merged into trunk bzr
[12:20] <asac> there is also MPL file added et al
[12:20] <asac> bluekuja: moring
[12:20] <bluekuja> asac: news?
[12:20] <asac> bluekuja: granparadiso was already up ... i have to repush, because we missed the copyright files :)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> +N  debian/MPL
[12:20] <gnomefreak> +N  debian/copyright
[12:20] <gnomefreak> +N  debian/docs
[12:20] <gnomefreak> those thats it right?
[12:20] <bluekuja> asac: oh :)
[12:21] <asac> bluekuja: yeah its me not doing lintian runs on my packages :)
[12:21] <asac> bluekuja: but pssst.
[12:21] <bluekuja> asac: xD
[12:21] <asac> :)
[12:21] <bluekuja> asac: I'm really happy for it! :)
[12:21] <gnomefreak> doessnt really matter
[12:21] <gnomefreak> i cant upload to it
[12:22] <asac> bluekuja: you want to update mozillateam branch from my branch, so we can do development over there?
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: i will do the merge
[12:22] <bluekuja> asac: you mean mozillateam/granparadiso from yours?
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: actually we can move it to mozillateam as well ... its just that i want the branches i release to official archives from in my space
[12:23] <asac> bluekuja: yes ... i fixed a little bit
[12:23] <asac> bluekuja: not really fixed ... but improved for upload
[12:23] <bluekuja> asac: ok gonna get updates
[12:23] <bluekuja> from your branch and I push to mozillateam
[12:23] <asac> bluekuja: yes
[12:24] <gnomefreak> asac: once you do merge you can make mozillateam branch than i can build for feisty?
[12:24] <bluekuja> asac: sounds great
[12:24] <asac> gnomefreak: you can do mozillateam branch as well ... just pull mine, push to mozillateam
[12:24] <asac> gnomefreak: next merge over the license commit i did on granparadiso
[12:24] <asac> and push to mozillateam branch as well
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: but at best don't push each single preview release changelog entry update to that branch ... as it clutters and makes merges back and forth from/to granparadiso hard
[12:25] <gnomefreak> well push changes into trunk and ill make branch when i get home later this morning, ill be leaving here in around 30 minutes
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: if we just to main changes on mozillateam branch i can just mark mine obsolete then
[12:26] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[12:26] <gnomefreak> asac: i was just gonna use existing trunck
[12:27] <gnomefreak> that way i can pull and commit all and push (have to look up command if i still have it on how to make branch its --use-existing or something like that
[12:27] <asac> gnomefreak: i can push to mozillateam as well
[12:33] <asac> ok paradiso now finished upload ... lets get it through NEW now
[12:33] <bluekuja> asac: done
[12:33] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:33] <bluekuja> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/granparadiso
[12:33] <asac> done what?
[12:33] <asac> ah pulled/merged ... ok
[12:33] <bluekuja> pushed up to revision 29
[12:34] <bluekuja> when do you think it will be processed?
[12:34] <asac> don't know :)
[12:34] <bluekuja> :)
[12:34] <asac> i will ping someone in an hour or so :)
[12:35] <bluekuja> ehhehe
[12:35] <bluekuja> sounds great! :)
[12:35] <bluekuja> asac: new queue is still stoned
[12:35] <bluekuja> :P
[12:35] <asac> in debian?
[12:35] <bluekuja> yup
[12:35] <asac> yes likely nothing is going to happen
[12:35] <bluekuja> yup
[12:35] <asac> when will automatic imports stop?
[12:36] <bluekuja> 5 days
[12:36] <bluekuja> on 20 june
[12:36] <bluekuja> asac: btw fische is not yet in, can I ask a sync?
[12:36] <bluekuja> so it's done manually
[12:37] <bluekuja> asac: the guy for gmail-notify didnt commented the proxy patch we pushed in ubuntu
[12:37] <bluekuja> (the one I asked for an NMU)
[12:37] <gnomefreak> isnt the way to make branch bzr commit  bzr push --use-existing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/trunk
[12:38] <gnomefreak> or bzr branch
[12:38] <bluekuja> bzr branch
[12:38] <bluekuja> bzr branch url
[12:38] <bluekuja> (http)
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak
[12:39] <asac> can you test if gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak: uninstall it and visit youtube
[12:39] <asac> do you get codec install again?
[12:39] <asac> or does it play without that package?
[12:39] <gnomefreak> rm it and see if easy-codec grabs it
[12:40] <asac> gnomefreak: actually if sound plays well after that then i posted the wrong package :)
[12:40] <asac> then its most likely -ugly that needs to be removed to test automatic audio-codec :)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i never had it so youtube doesnt need it
[12:40] <asac> yeah
[12:40] <asac> can you remove the ugly package?
[12:40] <asac> and test again?
[12:40] <gnomefreak> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse?
[12:41] <gnomefreak> or just -ugly
[12:41] <asac> is there any other ugly package? otherwise yes
[12:41] <asac> dunno
[12:41] <asac> if there is just -ugly then try that
[12:41] <gnomefreak> removing both just to make sure
[12:42] <asac> good
[12:43] <gnomefreak> its searching for plugin
[12:43] <gnomefreak> gstreamer extra plugins and ffmpeg video plugin
[12:44] <gnomefreak> ah it keeps log
[12:44] <gnomefreak> so its ony installing extra plugins package <where -ugly comes from>
[12:45] <gnomefreak> ok i really need to get in shower ill wait till the install is done
[12:45] <gnomefreak> sound and picture
[12:46] <gnomefreak> no lines either
[12:47] <gnomefreak> bbiab
[12:58] <asac> gnomefreak: we have a better testcase in debian bug 428775
[12:58] <asac> now
[12:58] <ubotu> Debian bug 428775 in icedove "*** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/icedove/icedove-bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x08edfac0 ***" [Grave,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/428775
[12:58] <gnomefreak> remind me when i get back i got to get before im late
[01:00] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: btw bzr branch <url> doesnt work for creating a branch ill look at it when i get home
[01:00] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, local branch?
[01:01] <bluekuja> you have to bzr push to create it
[01:01] <bluekuja> if NEW
[01:01] <gnomefreak> commit first?
[01:01] <bluekuja> yea
[01:01] <bluekuja> bzr init in locqal
[01:01] <bluekuja> *local
[01:02] <bluekuja> then do your changes
[01:02] <bluekuja> bzr commit -m "changes"
[01:02] <bluekuja> bzr push url
[01:02] <bluekuja> (sftp)
[01:03] <asac> gnomefreak: what branch are you trying to create? i am currently pushing to mozillateam (trunk)
[04:00] <gnomefreak> asac: you already made the mozillateam trunk?
[04:01] <gnomefreak> i see you did : ty
[04:01] <asac> gnomefreak: hope so ... didn't see if finish :)
[04:01] <asac> but should be ;)
[04:01] <gnomefreak> its up on LP
[04:01] <gnomefreak> 22 was last revision
[04:04] <gnomefreak> brb something is wrong here
[04:08] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[04:08] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 16 Jun 13:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team
[04:38] <gnomefreak> bug 120337
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120337
[04:39] <gnomefreak> asac: you busy?
[04:42] <asac> back
[04:42] <asac> hat a conference call
[04:42] <asac> had
[04:42] <asac> what can i do?
[04:42] <asac> gnomefreak: ?
[04:42] <gnomefreak> we may have a bug we cant fix :(
[04:43] <asac> we have plenty of those i guess ... but lets hear :)
[04:43] <asac> `
[04:43] <asac> ?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> im testing all kinds of apps atm. did you see what seb said on the glibc warning?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> http://rafb.net/p/6KNlSH23.html  just incase you missed it
[04:43] <asac> no i have not been summoned to that
[04:44] <asac> yeah its just a warning
[04:44] <gnomefreak> boinc is not mozilla app and it happens (im betting i can test 50 apps and 30 will spit that out
[04:44] <asac> which is spit out in recent glib cversion
[04:44] <asac> but not in in old one
[04:44] <asac> so it we had this always wrong
[04:44] <gnomefreak> so why cant they fix it in glibc
[04:44] <asac> gnomefreak: can you find 2 or 3 small apps that do that?
[04:44] <gnomefreak> why fix 1000+ apps instead of 1
[04:44] <asac> i would like to take  a look
[04:45] <gnomefreak> bug 120337
[04:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120337 in boinc "boinc fails to be authorized " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120337
[04:45] <gnomefreak> theres one
[04:45] <asac> maybe its a glib bug ... e.g. the application doesn't even use thread facility, but glib wrongfully thinks it does
[04:45] <gnomefreak> gxine does it
[04:46] <gnomefreak> anjuta does it
[04:47] <asac> anjuta is not really a small applictaion
[04:47] <asac> i want *tiny* applications that have that
[04:47] <gnomefreak> gwget doesnt do it
[04:47] <asac> those are best to debug
[04:47] <gnomefreak> asac: im just going through and testing
[04:48] <gnomefreak> gxine and bionc are both small apps afaik
[04:49] <gnomefreak> it seems kde apps are not affected by this at all
[04:49] <gnomefreak> vlc does it
[04:50] <gnomefreak> also crashes
[04:50] <asac> crashes?
[04:50] <gnomefreak> *** glibc detected *** vlc: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0839a3c0 ***
[04:50] <asac> crazy
[04:50] <asac> can you spin the same vlc sources in feisty and see if it doesn't crash?
[04:50] <gnomefreak> listen was doing it also like that
[04:50] <asac> on the same testcase`
[04:51] <gnomefreak> i could
[04:51] <gnomefreak> vlc isnt ours though right?
[04:51] <asac> its pretty important ... if it doesn't crash then its a hard regression and loads of apps need a fix
[04:51] <gnomefreak> the plugin works fine
[04:51] <asac> ... we should then probably backup the patch of glib that does that
[04:52] <asac> gnomefreak: doesn't matter imo ... if there is an important issue and we can help to track it down ;) ... why not :)
[04:52] <gnomefreak> you want me to spin gutsys vlc for feisty?
[04:52] <asac> at least we are somehow related to -desktop team
[04:52] <asac> which maintains glib :)
[04:52] <asac> yes
[04:52] <asac> if you have time
[04:52] <gnomefreak> asac: maybe because everyone else is saying screw it
[04:52] <asac> screw it how?
[04:53] <gnomefreak> i still dont belive its every other app other than glibc that is kind of hard to swallow
[04:53] <asac> he?
[04:53] <asac> no its not glibc
[04:53] <asac> its glib
[04:53] <asac> ;)
[04:53] <gnomefreak> fine glib than
[04:53] <asac> at least the g_thread_init thing
[04:53] <asac> ;)
[04:54] <gnomefreak> but its not glibs fault its every other apps fault
[04:54] <asac> gnomefreak: its just to prove that the regression is in glib :)
[04:54] <gnomefreak> ^^ kind of hard to swallow no?
[04:54] <asac> gnomefreak: yes it might be .. but changing the behaviour in such a way that application crash that didn't before would not be nice either
[04:54] <gnomefreak> i dont have a problem finding the issue at all
[04:55] <gnomefreak> i just think instead of saying "its not glib" without looking into it other than the warning it spits out is kind of putting it off
[04:55] <asac> yes right
[04:55] <asac> either the warning should have always been there (e.g. not glib problem) ... or having this error condition has become more dangerous
[04:56] <asac> ... so you come up with hard facts, like showing: same application build against feisty version doesn't crash, while against gutsy does
[04:56] <asac> will help to reconsider
[04:56] <gnomefreak> he seems to do that with alot of things though lately but nothing will change i will build the gutsy app for feisty and test
[04:56] <asac> but its not really bad ... i mean if you are a library maintainer you have to turn down everything until hard facts appear
[04:56] <asac> otherwise you would run after everything and most is not related, so wasting your time
[04:57] <gnomefreak> what am i building :(
[04:57] <gnomefreak> i forgot
[04:57] <asac> vlc
[04:57] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:57] <asac> ;)
[04:57] <asac> source from gutsy, build in feisty :)
[04:57] <asac> verify actions that crash vlc
[04:57] <asac> in gutsy
[04:57] <asac> verify if it crashes in feisty as well
[04:58] <gnomefreak> will do but you gotta give me an hour or so
[04:58] <asac> take your time :)
[04:58] <gnomefreak> im gonna start on it but cant remember how long it took
[04:58] <gnomefreak> you leaving early today?
[04:59] <gnomefreak> well early my time
[04:59] <asac> i will stop *working* early, but will be in and out for a few hours i guess
[04:59] <gnomefreak> let me know before you leave if you havent heard back on vlc
[05:01] <gnomefreak> holy shit small app depends on 150 build-deps
[05:01] <gnomefreak> maybe a while
[05:02] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna go look for lunch while this crap downloads
[05:04] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :) ... vlc is probably not a smallish application :)
[05:04] <asac> but don't say it wasn't your choice :)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> i wont
[05:31] <gnomefreak> not smallish my ass its HUGE
[05:32] <gnomefreak> should have it done later this afternoon/tomorrow
[05:34] <asac> hehe
[05:35] <asac> gnomefreak: you could also try to build old glib in gutsy :)
[05:35] <asac> that would even further track this down
[05:35] <asac> but maybe you need to spin old gtk as well
[05:35] <asac> maybe you still have old gtk /glib in your apt cache?
[05:36] <asac> @schedule
[05:36] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 16 Jun 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 19:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team
[05:36] <asac> when is next CC meeting?
[05:36] <asac> so hilario can finally become a member?
[05:55] <gnomefreak> ill look
[05:55] <gnomefreak> not yet set
[05:56] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[05:56] <gnomefreak> he needs to add his info ther
[05:56] <gnomefreak> e
[05:58] <gnomefreak> and i will ping seveas over the weekend if i catch hima nd find out when next meeting is since he sets all that up (or used to) i heard he may be away for a bit
[05:59] <gnomefreak> is Alex going for membership also?
[06:01] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, did you dod iceape merge?
[06:01] <bluekuja> *do
[06:02] <gnomefreak> for gutsy?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> or bzr
[06:02] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, feisty I think
[06:02] <gnomefreak> i have feisty apckages for it
[06:02] <gnomefreak> i dont think i uploaded them yet
[06:02] <bluekuja> http://dad.dunnewind.net/iceape/
[06:03] <gnomefreak> but 1.1.2 should be in repo anyway
[06:03] <bluekuja> last uploader: john vivirito
[06:03] <bluekuja> 	1.1.2-1
[06:03] <bluekuja> debian version
[06:03] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: i cant upload
[06:04] <bluekuja> gnomefreak, I know, but I can do that merge
[06:04] <gnomefreak> but i did send 1.1.1 to revu but asac pushed it
[06:04] <bluekuja> if you wont do it
[06:04] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: done
[06:04] <gnomefreak> 1.1.2 is uplaoded
[06:04] <bluekuja> so why is there?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> it should be in new
[06:04] <bluekuja> oh^^
[06:04] <gnomefreak> that was done 3 days or so ago
[06:05] <bluekuja> ok tnx
[06:05] <gnomefreak> asac: has to upload to NEW
[06:06] <bluekuja> :D
[06:09] <asac> gnomefreak: add yourself as maintainer for next upload
[06:09] <asac> gnomefreak: then nobody will duplicate work
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: i will push new iceape with empty -calendar package
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: mike said he kept it empty intentionally because he plans to add it back soon
[06:10] <asac> ... so lets follow that road
[06:10] <gnomefreak> asac: can i do that? since we were told to use motu as maintainer
[06:10] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah you can.
[06:11] <gnomefreak> take motu out add me?
[06:11] <asac> yes
[06:11] <gnomefreak> spin and give to you?
[06:11] <asac> i will take the blame if anybody comes
[06:11] <asac> its naturally a measure to reduce motus wasting their time
[06:11] <gnomefreak> true
[06:11] <asac> gnomefreak: you could also add mozillateam instead
[06:11] <asac> so people will be attracted here in case they want to help
[06:11] <gnomefreak> i was thinking that
[06:11] <gnomefreak> ok i add and push to bzr?
[06:12] <asac> mozillateam? .. yes go ahead
[06:12] <gnomefreak> ok you didnt upload 1.1.2 yet right?
[06:12] <asac> what is last changelog entry?
[06:12] <asac> you see?
[06:12] <gnomefreak> let me check
[06:13] <bluekuja> asac: is true that DDs doesnt see well adding dpatch systems in ubuntu?
[06:13] <gnomefreak> new upstream version
[06:13] <bluekuja> asac: e.g in a package without it
[06:13] <asac> bluekuja: no idea ... actually i think its nice if you get a distinct patch from us :)
[06:13] <gnomefreak> version is 1.1.2.dfsg1~ubuntu1-0ubuntu1
[06:13] <asac> bluekuja: i don't think this is common sense (though i might be wrong)
[06:14] <bluekuja> ok
[06:14] <asac> i disagree with most maintainers that don't use patch system anyway
[06:14] <asac> e.g. don't understand their point
[06:14] <asac> gnomefreak: let me check
[06:14] <asac> gnomefreak: what is in that changelog entry?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> * new upstream version for ubuntu based on 1.1.2.dfsg1-2 * ubuntu changes not in debian are:
[06:15] <gnomefreak> its the first one for gutsy for 1.1.2
[06:15] <asac> gnomefreak: which bzr revision?
[06:15] <gnomefreak> oh god hold on a sec
[06:16] <gnomefreak> 82 is yours
[06:16] <gnomefreak> i have 83 due to merging it
[06:16] <asac> where did you merge it to?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> mozillateam one is 82
[06:16] <asac> what changes do you have ?
[06:16] <asac> any?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> i took mozillateam and merged to mine
[06:16] <gnomefreak> nothing
[06:16] <asac> ah ... but you were not out of sync?
[06:17] <gnomefreak> asac: i merged due to the changes you made
[06:17] <asac> then uncommit, revert, then *pull* instead of merge
[06:17] <gnomefreak> so now mine is same as yours
[06:17] <asac> gnomefreak: yes if you are not diverged from me you can just pull
[06:17] <asac> and don't get an extra revision
[06:17] <asac> you can just say
[06:17] <asac> bzr uncommit
[06:17] <asac> bzr revert
[06:17] <asac> then bzr pull
[06:17] <gnomefreak> asac: i used --overwrite
[06:17] <gnomefreak> so it replaced mine
[06:17] <asac> yeah
[06:18] <asac> anyway
[06:18] <gnomefreak> can i still uncommit
[06:18] <gnomefreak> and be safe
[06:18] <asac> did you publish 83 ?
[06:18] <gnomefreak> i pushed
[06:18] <asac> yeah ... then you have to --override again
[06:18] <asac> or live with the merge :)
[06:18] <asac> i think you can live with that
[06:18] <asac> anyway
[06:18] <asac> what was the question?
[06:18] <asac> ah yes
[06:18] <asac> yeah change the maintainer field
[06:18] <asac> document that in changelog
[06:19] <asac> and commit/push that
[06:19] <asac> i will pull it over to mozillateam branch before upload
[06:19] <gnomefreak> ok
[06:19] <asac> maybe drop a note in changelog for the intentional empty-calendar package as well
[06:19] <gnomefreak> k
[06:19] <asac> e.g. that we keep it for now and see if upstream (debian) will readd calendar sources to orig tarball
[06:20] <gnomefreak> k
[06:20] <asac> k out for a while ... let me know when you pushed those changes and name me the revisions i should pull over to branch
[06:20] <asac> then i will upload tonight
[06:20] <gnomefreak> k
[06:20] <asac> bluekuja: btw, fische is already NEWed :)
[06:21] <bluekuja> asac: yup, synced before :)
[06:21] <asac> bluekuja: yes
[06:21] <asac> pretty quick
[06:21] <bluekuja> yeah!
[06:21] <asac> maybe not in return of our bug?
[06:21] <bluekuja> I want verlihub in
[06:21] <gnomefreak> whats best to use me or mozillateam
[06:21] <bluekuja> asac: pitti seen it
[06:21] <bluekuja> (the bug)
[06:22] <asac> but i think so, because he added me as the driver of that package (so i am the scapegoat when things are messed up now) :/
[06:22] <asac> gnomefreak: i think mozillateam
[06:22] <asac> gnomefreak: otherwise it might suggest that you want help
[06:22] <gnomefreak> ok only one issue whats the email for team
[06:22] <asac> hehe ... the list
[06:22] <asac> you will find out ... i have to go
[06:22] <asac> ;)
[06:23] <asac> Debian Mozilla Maintainers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:23] <asac> ah
[06:23] <asac> thats wrong
[06:23] <asac> hehe
[06:23] <asac> ;)
[06:23] <asac> then i don't know
[06:23] <asac> don't have it in address book then
[06:28] <gnomefreak> btw address is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:28] <gnomefreak> in /topic
[06:38] <gnomefreak> asac: revisions 84 and 85 are the changes i made to control and changelog 83 is just when i overwrote my branch
[06:41] <gnomefreak> asac:  vlc does NOT crash on feisty using Gutsys version
[06:42] <gnomefreak> i will keep build incase i have to post somewhere
[06:44] <gnomefreak> omg that is cool
[06:54] <gnomefreak> ok off to run more errands, asac im wondering if we need another example im gonna ask the reporter of the bug # above if it crashed for him
[07:29] <asac> what is cool ?
[07:29] <asac> somehow back :)
[08:13] <gnomefreak> asac: sudo is cool in gutsy
[08:14] <asac> why?
[08:14] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@GutsyGibbon:~$ dist-upgrade
[08:14] <gnomefreak> [sudo]  password for gnomefreak:
[08:14] <gnomefreak> :)
[08:14] <gnomefreak> instead of just password
[08:15] <gnomefreak> amused even
[08:23] <asac> yeah ... thats really a huge improvement
[08:23] <asac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473404
[08:23] <asac> why does a forum staff member switch to webmail instead of coming in here?
[08:24] <asac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2846891&postcount=3
[08:24] <gnomefreak> waiting for browser
[08:26] <asac> wierd
[08:26] <gnomefreak> cant be spell checker
[08:26] <gnomefreak> hunspell is not gtk
[08:26] <asac> if its really the spellchecker, then he probably has copied old libhunspell over new one manually
[08:26] <gnomefreak> it only happens on gtk apps
[08:26] <asac> gnomefreak: i don't think that it crashes because of the thread_init
[08:26] <asac> it just works here with it
[08:26] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:28] <asac> did trunk build go well?
[08:28] <gnomefreak> still going
[08:28] <gnomefreak> iirc listen gave me that exact issue
[08:28] <gnomefreak> when i ran it in term
[08:29] <gnomefreak> only on gutsy
[08:33] <gnomefreak> asac: i will test listen tonight and build it if i have to in feisty chroot and see if i crash there too if not than do we have enough to say this is not apps fault? or is it more of well those apps are borked
[08:33] <asac> gnomefreak: please try to spin and install feisty glib
[08:33] <asac> in gutsy
[08:33] <asac> and see if the bug goes away for vlc
[08:34] <bbogart> hey all, anyone know if there is a signal I can send thunderbird to save a message being "composed"?
[08:34] <asac> (e.g. the gutsy vlc bug)
[08:34] <gnomefreak> thats gonna be a nasty build
[08:34] <gnomefreak> ill try it
[08:34] <asac> bbogart: i don't think any exists
[08:34] <gnomefreak> glib == related to libc6 for gnome
[08:34] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[08:34] <gnomefreak> oh good
[08:35] <asac> gnomefreak: libglib2.0-0
[08:35] <asac> gnomefreak: get the source from that in feisty
[08:35] <asac> gnomefreak: spin it in gutsy
[08:35] <asac> and see if installing it cures you#+
[08:35] <asac> and see if installing it cures you
[08:35] <asac> (in gutsy)
[08:35] <bbogart> asac: damn X crashed, I don't yet have the "ctrl-s" auto-motor-response when emailing. open messages will not get saved when the process gets killed either I suppose?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> ok will do
[08:35] <asac> bbogart: hmm
[08:36] <asac> maybe there should be an "automatic save" option
[08:36] <asac> or maybe there even is?
[08:36] <asac> bbogart: look in config editor if you can find such an option... otherwise ask on mozillazine forums (beginner forum maybe?)
[08:37] <asac> bbogart: if lots of people agree with you in mozillazine that such a feature is necessary and they don't know about such an option, it might be worth a wishlist bug
[08:38] <bbogart> asac: I'm taking a look now. I really need to keep my damn X11 from crashing, and then I will not need the feature!!! blech.
[08:38] <asac> oh ... yeah ...  i can't help you with that
[08:39] <bbogart> asac: should I post under "thunderbird features"?
[08:39] <asac> the only crashes i see are due to breached 3d drivers in games :)
[08:39] <asac> bbogart: i don't know maybe ask a support question to figure out if such an option exists
[08:39] <bbogart> asac: My only guess is apm, which I will shortly disable, sucks to have thunderbird running there in memory and I can't tell it to save!!!
[08:40] <asac> bbogart: yeah i think you should first go to support
[08:40] <asac> anf if there is no solution go to features
[08:40] <asac> bbogart: it keeps running?
[08:41] <bbogart> I can still see the process... maybe its frozen also of course...
[08:42] <asac> how to lobby: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=555691 :-)
[08:42] <gnomefreak> trunk is starting to build binaries :)
[08:42] <asac> cool
[08:43] <asac> bbogart: but i don't agree exactly ... for me you first have to do a bit of lobbying ... then file a bug, then do more lobbying
[08:43] <asac> :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> i dont htink it is there yet :(
[08:43] <gnomefreak> it ran fakeroot debian/rules binaris
[08:43] <gnomefreak> es
[08:43] <asac> bbogart: and use the search feature
[08:43] <asac> bbogart: they hate people that post duplicates :-P
[08:44] <asac> gnomefreak: actually you can use bzr bd ... as well
[08:44] <asac> you just have to produce a orig ... move that to tarballs
[08:44] <asac> and go!
[08:44] <asac> ;)
[08:44] <gnomefreak> yeah i know
[08:44] <asac> k
[08:44] <gnomefreak> hey its new give me time to get used to it :)
[08:44] <asac> gnomefreak: sure
[08:44] <asac> gnomefreak: good news
[08:45] <asac> gnomefreak: we have started our weekly phone conversation to maintain 1.5.0.x firefox
[08:45] <asac> gnomefreak: with rh
[08:45] <gnomefreak> thats good news?
[08:45] <asac> looks like we will really try :)
[08:45] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah :)
[08:45] <asac> gnomefreak: it was all at risk
[08:45] <asac> gnomefreak: then we would have to go directly 2.0
[08:45] <asac> in dapper
[08:45] <gnomefreak> 1.5 branch is EOS in a couple of months
[08:45] <asac> now it looks like <IP_ADDRESS> will come
[08:46] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:46] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... we will not let it end :)
[08:46] <asac> thats the good news
[08:46] <gnomefreak> i hope there are another 2 years worth
[08:46] <asac> 2 years?
[08:46] <asac> i think its 1.5 for us
[08:46] <gnomefreak> dapper EOS in 18 months?
[08:46] <asac> you can just hope that 2.0 branh will be maintained until we can drop 1.5
[08:47] <gnomefreak> give or take 6 months
[08:47] <asac> because backporting from 3.0 would definitly be horror
[08:47] <gnomefreak> agreed
[08:47] <asac> gnomefreak: dunno
[08:47] <asac> when was dapper released?
[08:47] <gnomefreak> i would like to keep 3.0 the hell out of dapper
[08:47] <gnomefreak> 6.06
[08:47] <asac> its 3 years i guess
[08:47] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:47] <gnomefreak> 8.06
[08:47] <gnomefreak> 1 year
[08:48] <asac> what is 6.06 ?
[08:48] <asac> when did that came out?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> dapper release
[08:48] <asac> jun 2006 ?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> 6.06 == 2006.june
[08:48] <asac> yeah then we have to go until jun 2009
[08:48] <asac> gnomefreak: you sure?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> oh yeah 2 more years
[08:48] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:48] <asac> i mean edgy didn't came out in oct 2006
[08:48] <asac> did it?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:49] <gnomefreak> feisty 7.04
[08:49] <gnomefreak> gutsy 7.10
[08:49] <asac> hmm
[08:49] <gnomefreak> dapper was a late release
[08:49] <asac> ok so dapper was delayed
[08:49] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:49] <asac> damn
[08:49] <gnomefreak> now its building bins
[08:49] <asac> so it will end by 6.09
[08:49] <gnomefreak> 9.06
[08:50] <gnomefreak> year is first
[08:50] <asac> ah right ;)
[08:50] <gnomefreak> ;)
[08:50] <asac> i think i will grab a dvd tonight
[08:51] <gnomefreak> dvd movie or release
[08:51] <asac> i have to give some rest to my wrists and shoulder :)
[08:51] <gnomefreak> ah
[08:51] <gnomefreak> yeah you go rest ill sit here and build
[08:51] <gnomefreak> lol
[08:51] <asac> lol
[08:51] <asac> ;)
[08:51] <asac> funny :)
[08:51] <gnomefreak> this looks alot easier than i thought it would be
[08:51] <asac> gnomefreak: you can be happy that the computer does most of the work
[08:52] <asac> just imagine you would need to sort and translate all the bits and bytes
[08:52] <gnomefreak> !info debhelper feisty
[08:52] <asac> by pen :)
[08:52] <gnomefreak> true
[08:52] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.42ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 502 kB, installed size 1252 kB
[08:52] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmm
[08:52] <asac> what do you want from debhelper?
[08:52] <gnomefreak> feisty version
[08:52] <gnomefreak> it looked wrong
[08:53] <gnomefreak> i thought it was 5.0.22
[08:53] <asac> k
[08:53] <asac> gnomefreak: do you spin libglib atm?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> im about to
[08:53] <asac> in gutsy (source from feisty) ?
[08:53] <asac> gnomefreak: cool
[08:54] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:54] <asac> just cross your fingers that you cann replace the gutsy glib without touching anything else
[08:54] <asac> maybe use --force-depends :)
[08:54] <asac> because its embedded tarball layout as well
[08:54] <asac> but of differnt layout
[08:54] <gnomefreak> i hope tarball is in there
[08:54] <asac> its more like the old thunderbird (you remember) ?
[08:54] <asac> gnomefreak: yes
[08:54] <gnomefreak> yep
[08:54] <bbogart> asac: Thanks for your help, I'll post a message soon, FYI X11 came back to life! *phew* I have no idea what would freeze it for 10min without the CPU being 100%. damn thing.
[08:54] <asac> gnomefreak: don't care ... just spin :)
[08:55] <gnomefreak> lol
[08:55] <asac> bbogart probably has some IO troubles
[08:55] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, the package should be fine ... so its nothing to bother about :)
[08:56] <asac> the idea is to prove that the old glib heals all applications :)
[08:56] <asac> in gutsy
[08:56] <asac> that now crash
[08:56] <gnomefreak> im worried about installing it now but i do have a chroot
[08:56] <asac> yeah
[08:56] <asac> install it in chroot
[08:56] <asac> first reproduce crashes
[08:56] <asac> then install
[08:56] <asac> and see
[08:56] <asac> k me going down a bit ... will look here later again i guess
[08:56] <gnomefreak> ok ill let you knwo if anything comes up
[08:58] <gnomefreak> bbl
[09:10] <gnomefreak> that was fast
[09:12] <gnomefreak> this is bad
[09:13] <gnomefreak> chroot not playing well
[09:21] <asac> glib build?
[09:21] <asac> yeah its not that big
[09:21] <asac> gnomefreak: just force it into your chroot
[09:21] <asac> me now looking video for ~3h
[09:22] <gnomefreak> im fixing it the right way
[09:40] <bluekuja> asac: do you have a minute to check 2 patches?
[09:40] <bluekuja> better a debdiff
[09:40] <bluekuja> ^^
[09:40] <gnomefreak> what is it with these frigging apps not crashing in chroot
[09:40] <gnomefreak> bluekuja: hes gone for a few hours
[09:40] <bluekuja> aww
[09:40] <bluekuja> ok
[09:41] <gnomefreak> you running gutsy?
[09:41] <bluekuja> nope
[09:41] <gnomefreak> not in chroot
[09:41] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:41] <bluekuja> feisty now
[09:46] <gnomefreak> asac: when you return if you have gutsy as a full system (not a chroot) please test vlc from terminal see if it crashes. ther eis something that causes apps to NOT crash in chroot but its crashing on main sys
[10:30] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there eveyone
[10:52] <JenFraggle> hello


[00:28] <kernel^klink> hi there
[00:28] <kernel^klink> have ? if anyone is home
[00:38] <Osmodivs> Hello. I am trying to install a .run file, and I need to get out of the GUI, but I cant, I get this error message: root@Djiin:~# service gdm stop         gdm: unrecognized service Am I even using the right command?
[00:39] <Unit193> Nope, service lxdm stop
[00:39] <Osmodivs> Ah, GDM must be Gnome, eh?
[00:40] <Osmodivs> I come from Ubuntu, you know
[00:40] <Osmodivs> Unit193: Thank you
[00:41] <Unit193> Yeah, GDM was default in Ubuntu and Xubuntu, Lubuntu has had LXDM
[00:41] <Unit193> (Ubuntu and Xubuntu have already switched to lightdm, Lubuntu may next release)
[00:43] <thornhillstaff> how do I change the name of a desktop shortcut.
[00:43] <thornhillstaff> ?
[00:43] <Unit193> May be able to right click and edit it, else you can just open a terminal and manually edit the file (Easy too)
[00:44] <Raha> How do I configure my wireless connection? it usually pop out in the right-bottom of my screen. But now its gone/
[00:47] <thornhillstaff> I opened the file and did a save as. I'm trying to rename the link for Gnumeric to Excel to help the luddites at work get with the program.
[00:47] <Unit193> :D
[00:47] <thornhillstaff> Anyways, saving as Excel.desktop doesn't work either.
[00:48] <Unit193> No, there should be a Name=Gnumeric  section, just change that
[00:48] <thornhillstaff> ok
[00:48] <thornhillstaff> yes, that helps a lot!
[00:49] <thornhillstaff> They will be so pleased that they now have Excel on Linux...
[00:51] <Raha> How do I configure my wireless connection? it usually pop out in the right-bottom of my screen. But now its gone/
[00:55] <Unit193> Raha: You should have a network applet. Is this a fresh install?>
[00:56] <Unit193> thornhillstaff: They are not 100% compatible. You could always try installing in wine :P
[01:01] <Raha> Yup, it is. But I cannot see any program named network applet
[01:06] <Unit193> I upgraded and it didn't go well, that's the icon that sometimes isn't visible. Do you have a space inbetween icons?
[01:06] <Unit193> Also, could be that your wireless isn't installed/no driver
[01:09] <Raha> I take a look to system profiler and benchmark, and it does have the wireless and driver.
[01:09] <Raha> nope, I am not seeing any space between icon
[01:12] <Unit193> !wireless
[01:14] <Raha> Thank you, I am really appreciate it.
[01:15] <Raha> I think its diffirent
[01:16] <Raha> different
[01:16] <Raha> aince lubuntu and ubuntu use different GUI
[01:17] <Unit193> Okay, well it doesn't quite seem like nm-applet is running, so how about hitting alt+F2 and typing   nm-applet
[01:19] <Raha> wow, its work
[01:19] <Raha> so the name of the application is nm-applet
[01:20] <Raha> Thank You, and Happy Thanks Giving
[01:23] <thornhillstaff> is there a lightweight presentation software that's good for lubuntu?
[01:24] <Unit193> Wow... The only one I know of is Libre/OpenOffice and that isn't lightweight
[01:24] <thornhillstaff> beamer, but I can't pass that off as Powerpoint...
[01:24] <thornhillstaff> :D
[01:25] <Unit193> LibreOffice is as close as you can get to MSO without having MSO
[01:25] <thornhillstaff> yeah, I suppose I'm going to have to break down and install it, but my machine is only 500 MB
[01:25] <thornhillstaff> RAM
[01:27] <thornhillstaff> will it run?
[01:29] <thornhillstaff> hello
[01:30] <Unit193> Well... I've not used it on my Lubuntu install :P
[01:31] <Unit193> You can always purge it if it doesn't work out
[01:31] <thornhillstaff> Haha
[01:31] <wxl> The Presentation view of AbiWord, which permits easy display of presentations created in AbiWord on "screen-sized" pages, is another feature not often found in word processors.
[01:31] <wxl> ^^ from wikipedia
[01:33] <wxl> http://www.ehow.com/how_7573993_make-slide-presentation-abiword.html
[01:34] <thornhillstaff> thx
[01:34] <thornhillstaff> wxl
[01:34] <wxl> np
[01:34] <wxl> never used it so don't complain at me if it sucks :D
[01:34] <thornhillstaff> how do I click a link and open it in terminal?
[01:37] <wxl> you mean open a link in chromium from lxterminal? ctrl-click
[01:37] <thornhillstaff> thx, but I already copied and pasted
[02:38] <Osmodivs> Hello. I installed the Cudatoolkit from nVdia's site. Now I want to install another .run file, but everytime I try to turn off the GUI,  the Monitor just shuts off, it recives no signal, and I cant acces any tty to execute the .run fiel, What could be wrong here? I a m using $sudo service lxdm stop
[02:48] <Osmodivs> I guess it's NOT Lubuntu's fault, eh?
[02:50] <Unit193> Try using Additional Drivers (aka, Jockey)
[02:51] <Osmodivs> ¿¿¡¡JOCKEY??!!
[02:52] <Osmodivs> I am using the 3D modeling suite called "Blender", I need to use the GPU renderer CYCLES, and I need CUDA, the latest drivers no reverse engineiring can provide
[02:57] <Unit193> I'll just stick this here (A little different, but same idea) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:56] <thornhillstaff> I can't believe Lubuntu
[03:56] <thornhillstaff> Wow
[03:57] <thornhillstaff> How does it run stuff with such little memory!?
[03:59] <Unit193> Would it be ok if I said "magic!"?
[04:00] <Unit193> The devs select what's installed by default very well, they try not to add anything that can load it down
[04:01] <thornhillstaff> well I have to say I'm incredibly impressed, I think I don't need to throw out a computer I was going to toss.
[04:01] <theredbaron_> :)
[04:01] <thornhillstaff> 192 MB RAM doesn't go far these days.
[04:01] <theredbaron_> Plus it looks alot better then unity.
[04:02] <theredbaron_> True, Though I have lubuntu installed on my gammingish pc. 3gb ram, 4gb swap.
[04:02] <Unit193> Well, you could always join #lubuntu-offtopic if you just want to chat
[04:03] <thornhillstaff> I use Ubuntu on the regular laptop and I regularly peak my usage at around 3 to 4GB,
[04:03] <thornhillstaff> I have 6 total, excluding swap
[04:04] <thornhillstaff> I do quite a lot of multitasking.
[04:04] <theredbaron_> :) Nice. Also, yeah, this is more of a offtopic thing. Though I am already there.
[04:05] <thornhillstaff> so a question is at what point does my lubuntu usage become so much like my Ubuntu usage that there's barely any difference?
[04:05] <theredbaron_> What do you mean? ram?
[04:05] <thornhillstaff> Doesn't install g or k programs mean I'm getting the load of those desktops?
[04:06] <thornhillstaff> "Doesn't installing..."  I mean, yes, it takes up the space on your drive, but not your ram.
[04:08] <thornhillstaff> well drive space isn't a problem. I'm mostly concerned about RAM usage.
[04:08] <theredbaron_> Inless your run the daemons, ect. Like I have gnome-settings-daemon running, cause it is the eaisest way to get banshee working with bluetooth keys, but I had to force it too start.
[04:09] <thornhillstaff> It seems in practice the RAM usage is pretty great.
[04:11] <theredbaron_> I tried to go to it on my lappy before, that had just 1gb ram and just a 15gbdrive, so no swap.  Only prob is puaseaudio sucked. Kept dieing. But things are much better now. Compiz would crash on me all the time, so I knew I had to get some better ram light distro. Thank goodness pualse works better now. Only DE I use now.
[04:51] <theredbaron_> Is there any way to have pulseaudio default to ad2p instead of hsp/hfp when I connect my headset?
[04:52] <theredbaron_> Not a big deal, I just have to open up volume control to change it, but would be nice.
[05:16] <thornhillstaff> how do I enable mp4 playing in Chrome?
[05:18] <bioterror> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/get-chromium-on-ubuntu-to-play-mp4-h-264-mp3-view-pdf-files-natively/
[05:19] <theredbaron_>   I believe you just need ito install chromium-codecs-ffmpeg
[05:19] <bioterror> that's what the url says which I pasted
[05:19] <theredbaron_> O, that is an even better answer. :)
[07:05] <wxl> anyone here use cmus?
[07:06] <bioterror> moc ;)
[07:06] <wxl> yeah
[07:07] <bioterror> I found it some what better
[07:07] <wxl> how so?
[07:07] <bioterror> easier to navigate and all the other small things
[07:08] <wxl> oh well screw it
[07:08] <wxl> can't get cmus to even load anyways
[07:08] <bioterror> what does it say?
[07:08] <wxl> freaking nothing
[07:08] <wxl> just sits there
[07:09] <bioterror> :D
[07:09] <wxl> uhhh
[07:09] <wxl> Setting up moc (1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20110823-1) ...
[07:09] <wxl> $ moc
[07:09] <wxl> The program 'moc' can be found in the following packages: * libqt4-dev * qt3-dev-tools
[07:09] <wxl> ???
[07:09] <bioterror> mocp
[07:10] <wxl> intuitive that
[07:12] <bioterror> do you get sound? :)
[07:12] <wxl> yep
[07:12] <bioterror> I'm not a huge fan of playlists
[07:12] <wxl> now i just gotta figure out how to not make it look like freaking mc
[07:12] <bioterror> so I usually disable that view with l key
[07:13] <wxl> well that's the only intelligent way to play a directory unfortunately
[07:13] <wxl> from what i can tell
[07:15] <wxl> yep that looks much better
[07:16] <wxl> oh heh
[10:22] <squeeish> hi all, anyone here?
[10:23] <squeeish> i'm a newbie to linux. i just installed lubuntu, and i'm having no notification sounds in pidgin and xchat
[10:23] <bioterror> about ~50 users
[10:23] <bioterror> how we may help you?
[10:24] <squeeish> well i'm not getting any notification sounds in pidgin and xchat
[10:24] <squeeish> however i'm getting sound from youtube in chromium
[10:25] <bioterror> and you have sounds enabled in pidgin?
[10:25] <bioterror> there's a check mark?
[10:25] <squeeish> yeap
[10:25] <squeeish> but there's no sound when i click "preview"
[10:25] <squeeish> same thing for xchat
[10:26] <squeeish> in fact, in xchat the files for sounds seem to be missing. i downloaded an xchat sound pack to no avail
[10:26] <bioterror> and you have checked alsamixer and you have all sound levels "okay"?
[10:26] <squeeish> i put them in /usr/.xchat2/sounds
[10:26] <squeeish> i haven't, where do i find this alsamixer?
[10:26] <bioterror> open terminal
[10:26] <bioterror> and run command: alsamixer
[10:27] <squeeish> ok
[10:27] <squeeish> alsamixer came up
[10:28] <squeeish> master,headphone and PCM are all maxed out
[10:28] <bioterror> nice
[10:28] <squeeish> master-m, line, cd and mic are all zero
[10:28] <bioterror> those should not matter
[10:28] <bioterror> pcm and master are the things that matters
[10:29] <bioterror> sure you can try to lieft master-m level
[10:29] <bioterror> but I assume it wont make any difference
[10:30] <squeeish> ok
[10:30] <squeeish> still no joy.
[10:30] <squeeish> take xchat for example
[10:30] <squeeish> under settings->preferences->sound
[10:30] <squeeish> sound playing method: automatic
[10:30] <squeeish> sound files directory: /home/<me>/.xchat2/sounds
[10:31] <squeeish> that's correct right?
[10:42] <bioterror> should be
[10:42] <bioterror> do we have here any xchat users?-)
[10:43] <squeeish> hold on, i might have found a solution
[10:43] <squeeish> apparently the sound file i've selected doesn't play in audacious
[10:45] <squeeish> im guessing that in ubuntu gnome installs a sound pack for us by default, and we don't have that sound pack in lubuntu?
[11:00] <squeeish> thanks any bioterror
[11:00] <squeeish> *anyway
[11:00] <bioterror> np
[11:00] <bioterror> you solved your issue?-)
[11:00] <squeeish> sort of i guess
[11:01] <squeeish> i just pointed the sounds to the /user/share/sounds folder
[11:01] <squeeish> *in
[11:01] <squeeish> and i still don't understand how i used to have sounds working out of the box in ubuntu heh
[11:02] <bioterror> same packages
[11:03] <bioterror> should not make any difference
[11:03] <squeeish> but i didn't need to configure these in ubuntu haha
[11:03] <squeeish> well, learnt something today
[11:03] <squeeish> thanks
[12:41] <leszek> hi
[15:15] <Osmodivs> Hello. Why can't I see other tty's in my system? I go to Ctrl-F1,F2,F3 but I can't see anything, no login text or anythimg, I only get a NO SIGNAL message from my monitor and, thats it. Are they turn off or something?
[15:17] <leszek> Osmodivs: no they should run. I guess its graphicdriver problem on your system
[15:17] <holstein> Osmodivs: i experience that on a machine with VIA graphics, and i assume its related
[15:18] <Osmodivs> Ah, Graphics driver, I bet it was when I installed Nvidia's propietary CUDAtoolkit4.0, (Lubuntu's default is 3.0)
[15:19] <Osmodivs> Because that happened after a reboot, after the cudatoolkit installation
[16:54] <Mr_EE1> hello
[16:55] <Mr_EE1> please help with grub guys i have installed windows but now i cant go back to lubuntu
[17:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> Mr_EE1, do you have a Live CD or USB with you right now?
[17:03] <Mr_EE1> yeah a live disc
[17:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> are you using it now? I mean are you in the Live VD now?
[17:04] <Mr_EE1>  IAmNotThatGuy: yep
[17:04] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okaky thats great
[17:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> Just open terminal and type "grub-install /dev/sda" without quotes. I believe you have only one hard disk now
[17:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> Mr_EE1, Kindly pastebin the result you get
[17:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> !pastebin | Mr_EE1
[17:08] <Mr_EE1>  IAmNotThatGuy: it says that bash: grub-install: command not found
[17:08] <IAmNotThatGuy> okay try sudo update-grub
[17:09] <Mr_EE1>  IAmNotThatGuy:  that one doesnt do
[17:09] <IAmNotThatGuy> You are working in the same machine right?
[17:10] <Mr_EE1> the feedback " liveuser is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[17:10] <Mr_EE1> yeah i am
[17:10] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okay I have found a link. Follow 2) in http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-restore-grub-2-after-reinstalling-windows-xpvistawin7
[17:10] <IAmNotThatGuy> Using Ubuntu 9.10 livecd or higher
[17:11] <Mr_EE1> 11.10
[17:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> Mr_EE1, do you know what is your Ubuntu partition number ?
[17:11] <Mr_EE1> yep
[17:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> sda1 or sda3 that kind? and 11.10 is okay
[17:12] <Mr_EE1> sda2
[17:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> Great. then execute the following commands
[17:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> sudo -i
[17:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[17:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sda
[17:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> This time, it should work
[17:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> I am not using these commands for a while. Should refresh the memory lol
[17:14] <Mr_EE1> for this one it says "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[17:16] <Mr_EE1> for this  "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"" it says ""mount: only root can do that"
[17:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> Ummm! check the partition number by running sudo fdisk -l
[17:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> use sudo as a prefix
[17:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> proper link is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2?action=show&redirect=GRUB2#Methods_of_Reinstalling
[17:17] <IAmNotThatGuy> I ll brb
[17:17] <Mr_EE1> it gives me this "liveuser is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[17:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> awwe
[17:21] <IAmNotThatGuy> you executed sudo i ?
[17:24] <Mr_EE1> yep but it said the same thing
[18:53] <echoprinter> My audio player are having issues. When I pause on Mplayer the audio sounds like a CD skipping..and Aqualung does the same thing but it freezes up the entire OS. :/
[18:53] <echoprinter> Great distro other than that.
[20:55] <freeroute> hi everyone, why does the update manager tell me there are still updates when I just ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
[20:55] <wxl> because you asked it to :D
[20:55] <freeroute> but doesn't update manager do exactly the commands which I ran?
[20:56] <wxl> yep but it doesn't mean that it didn't check before you ran apt-get
[20:57] <wxl> just go to software sources and change the settings so update manager stays quiet or at least doesn't pop up a notice immediately
[20:57] <freeroute> ah ok, so essentially it will install things which are already installed?
[20:57] <Unit193> You also may have a kernel upgrade
[20:57] <freeroute> Unit193: Linux lubz-VB 3.0.0-13-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 2 13:25:36 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[20:59] <Unit193> Since it's VirtualBox, try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and see if you catch anything in there
[21:01] <freeroute> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:01] <wxl> i don't think it's a bug or anything
[21:01] <wxl> happens to me all the time
[21:01] <wxl> usually WHILE i'm running apt-get
[21:01] <wxl> i think update manager listens for apt-get updte
[21:04] <Unit193> Personally, I think it's just annoying
[21:04] <freeroute> yeah, update manager popped up exactly while I did just that
[21:05] <freeroute> ideally I would have run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and not see anything in update manager anymore
[21:05] <wxl> open up software sources
[21:05] <wxl> you can tweak update manager's behavior there
[21:05] <wxl> i just turned it off
[21:06] <wxl> i ALWAYS apt-get
[21:07] <Optimator> :)
[21:09] <freeroute> ah cool, I just let the important security updates stay
[21:09] <freeroute> I never know when I'm feeling too lazy to apt-get update && upgrade ;)
[21:16] <bkm> sometimes when apt-get says, 8 packages not upgraded, i run aptitude and it installs them
[21:17] <bkm> drives me crazy, but i do not really know the difference between apt-get and aptitude
[21:17] <Unit193> bkm: After that, try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:17] <wxl> aptitude is an ncurses front end for apt-get
[21:17] <bkm> after what?
[21:18] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto?action=show&redirect=AptGetHowto#Maintenance_commands
[21:19] <bkm> 13:17 < wxl> aptitude is an ncurses front end for apt-get <- why does it install the 8 that apt-get missed? is it because the 8 are from a different distribution (hence, the dist-upgrade flag?)?
[21:20] <bkm> thanks for the link - man, how does something get as screwed up as that??
[21:21] <Unit193> Makes sense, dist-upgrade can install more programs to upgrade, also does kernel and some others
[21:22] <wxl> this should explain it: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69
[21:22] <Unit193> I use that one all the time, but I also use --purge on autoremove so it's not the best example to follow ;)
[21:22] <wxl> let's say you have package x
[21:22] <wxl> and suddenly the new version of x requires y
[21:22] <wxl> well upgrade doesn't exactly know what to do with that
[21:24] <bkm> wxl, Unit193, thanks for the links
[21:24] <Unit193> Sure, glad we could help
[21:25] <bkm> what i really would like to ask is there a non-kpvnc way to easily connect to a microsef vpn?
[21:25] <wxl> sorry no help from me on that one
[21:26] <bkm> if i install all 169 MB of kde, i know that that i can connect vi kppp, kpvnc, or whatever their gui is called. all other methods seem to fail - not really sure why.
[21:26] <Unit193> network-manager-pptp maybe? I have no idea also, I'd jsut say something about OpenVPN and be done :P
[21:26]  * Unit193 uses SSH
[21:26] <wxl> yeah openvpn rocks
[21:27] <wxl> BUT i rarely use it
[21:27] <bkm> wxl, as a client?
[21:27] <wxl> yep
[21:27] <wxl> i even use it on my palm pre :D
[21:27] <bkm> i think i tried it once, maybe i should try again, thix
[21:27] <bkm> thx
[21:28] <wxl> obviously you're already somewhat comfortable with terminal.. no reason to have a gui
[21:28] <bkm> wxl, there is a reason to use it if it works when nothing else does
[21:28] <wxl> btw i'd highly recommend cmus if you want a lightweight library-based music player
[21:28] <wxl> (rhythmbox sucks)
[21:29] <bkm> it would be wonderful to understand what is happening, but it's frustrating knowing i can just add 169 MB of cruft and not have to understand what is happening
[21:29] <wxl> i dunno it's darn simple
[21:30] <wxl> just takes a little to understand and set up
[21:32] <wxl> bkm: you're on oneiric?
[21:33] <bkm> yes
[21:34] <wxl> https://www.openvpn.net/index.php/manuals/427-openvpn-22.html
[21:34] <bkm> i haven't played with this for quite a while. perhaps it won't be as screwed up as it was in the past {but i think it might be worse}
[21:34] <wxl> in your ~/.ssh put your config and key
[21:34] <wxl> make sure you have line "remote host port"
[21:35] <wxl> and say assuming you are using pkcs12 "pcks12 yourkey.p12"
[21:35] <wxl> i also have:
[21:35] <wxl> tls-client
[21:35] <wxl> client
[21:35] <wxl> dev tun
[21:35] <wxl> proto tcp
[21:35] <wxl> tun-mtu 1400
[21:35] <wxl> cipher BF-CBC
[21:35] <wxl> comp-lzo
[21:35] <wxl> verb 3
[21:35] <wxl> ns-cert-type-server
[21:36] <wxl> not all of them are necessary
[21:36] <Unit193> -!pastebin ;)
[21:36] <wxl> save it as .ovpn
[21:36] <wxl> Unit193: yeah i know but i don't wanna bother having to ssh to my phone. being lazy :D
[22:10] <batata> Hi. I'm installing a minimal system and when I apt-get install LXDE i get  261 newly installed packages (about 302 MB of  disk space). How could I install LXDE only with basic applications?
[22:35] <szczur> batata, install lxde-core
[22:35] <szczur> it should pull only basic programs needed to run lxde
[22:57] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-core
[23:54] <JackyAlcine> Where's jmarsden?
[23:54] <wxl> not in my pocket
[23:55] <JackyAlcine> Lol, I'd have to wait until he's online..