[01:50] <toothe> how do I add another language to KDE?
[01:50] <soee> from system settings you can do it
[01:51] <soee> Reginal Settings or something the section is called
[01:51] <toothe> found it!
[01:51] <toothe> thanks.
[01:51] <soee> np, enjoy :)
[02:30] <jdwwatts> guitr
[02:35] <jdwwatts> has anyone been using plasma5
[09:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:03] <macstar_> hi anyone here has got experience with kexec?
[12:03] <macstar_> or kexec-tools ?
[13:10] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning all
[13:19] <madeti> what do i need to install on kubuntu to make this error go away:
[13:19] <madeti> Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5Declarative"
[13:20] <lordievader> madeti: Make error?
[13:20] <madeti> yup
[13:20] <lordievader> madeti: Could you pastebin the full make output?
[13:21] <madeti> lordievader: http://paste.kde.org/peeu3rc98
[13:24] <lordievader> madeti: According to apt-file the package 'qtquick1-5-dev' has it.
[13:25] <madeti> lordievader: ty, it worked
[13:25] <lordievader> madeti: apt-file is very usefull for those kind of things ;)
[13:26] <madeti> lordievader: where to find that file? how to use it?
[13:27] <lordievader> madeti: sudo apt-get install apt-file&&sudo apt-file update
[13:28] <madeti> lol, and here I thought it was literally a file :D
[15:08] <Roey> hi
[15:08] <Roey> why is FIrefox taking 100%+ CPU time??
[15:09] <Roey> I tried moving .mozilla/ out of the way and letting Fx generate a new .mozilla/.  Problem is still there.
[15:09] <Roey> the more tabs I open, the more laggy Firefox becomes.
[15:09] <Roey> This happened after I upgraded from 14.04 -> 14.10
[15:09] <Roey> (Kubuntu 14.04 -> 14.10 that is)
[15:09] <Roey> what's up with this, anyone else seen this issue?
[15:09] <Roey> BluesKaj_:  hola!
[15:11] <BluesKaj_> Roey, Hi, I gave up on FF , switched to google-chrome,
[15:11] <Roey> ah
[15:11] <Roey> why did you give up on Fx?
[15:12] <BluesKaj_> too bloated and slow for my old desktop
[15:12] <Roey> yeah.
[15:12] <Roey> Looks like same here.  My desktop is from 2008
[15:12] <Roey> quad-core Q6600 with 8 GB RAM
[15:13] <BluesKaj_> increased RAM from 3 to 6G, but the cpu still carries the load, mostly
[15:13] <BluesKaj_> dual core here
[15:19] <Roey> well
[15:19] <Roey> I am hoping to get  anew computer soon
[15:19] <Roey> new motherboard/cpu/ram at least.
[15:21] <BluesKaj_> this old desktop works well for my needs ...not real fast, but as a media server it's great
[18:03] <pixhah> hello , i m using tech preview and its crashing. by the way  i m new to kubuntu.
[18:06] <soee> crashing how ?
[18:06] <soee> you are using daily iso ?
[18:10] <lordievader> Is the Utopic plasma5 iso still getting a daily treatment?
[18:13] <soee> utopic ? im not sure
[18:15] <lordievader> Or is techpreview nowadays 15.04?
[18:25] <MarcoPau> for some reason my chromium is not working in my own language althou I installed all packages (supposedly). do you guys know if there's maybe a distribution related issue? thanks
[18:26] <bish0p_> Hi, I'm currently running the latest version of Ubuntu, but I'm having issues with Unity, so I'm looking to switch to Kubuntu. Is it as simple as making a boot USB and letting it run? Do I need to back up my data?
[18:32] <soee> lordievader: are you familiar with live iso ^
[18:33] <lordievader> bish0p_: Its even simpler, open a terminal. Run 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'. Log out, login to KDE.
[18:33] <bish0p_> lordievader, oh sweet! Thank you!
[21:02] <kubuntuplasma5> hi to all
[21:07] <soee> :)
[21:11] <Okitain> that is one informative message
[22:10] <ugly_cat> Hey, how can I get mono audio output in alsa?
[22:11] <Peace-> ugly_cat: mm
[22:11] <Peace-> i can do that with jack
[22:12] <Peace-> so alsa==>jack [22:12] <ugly_cat> I know how to do it with jack, though it wasn't an optimal solution
[22:12] <ugly_cat> xruns and such
[22:12] <Peace-> why?
[22:12] <ugly_cat> Anytime I did something that took a bit of processor power the audio would garble
[22:14] <ugly_cat> I've been reading about a way to do it with alsa, but I don't have a asoundconf thingy in my hom dir
[22:14] <Peace-> ugly_cat: but why do you need mono output from alsa ?
[22:14] <Peace-> i mean which program do you use and you needd
[22:14] <ugly_cat> Firefox
[22:15] <ugly_cat> for music
[22:16] <Peace-> mmm i guess it's hard to do maybe with some mixer
[22:16] <ugly_cat> This is a total stab in the dark, but could I do something with gstreamer?
[22:17] <Peace-> ugly_cat: maybe amixer
[22:17] <ugly_cat> Peace-: you mean alsamixer?
[22:18] <Peace-> ugly_cat: wait a moment kubuntu and ubuntu uses pulse audio
[22:18] <Peace-> ugly_cat: do you have that in your machine?
[22:18] <Peace-> use*
[22:18] <ugly_cat> Yeah
[22:19] <ugly_cat> Using both
[22:19] <Peace-> so i guess you can achieve that with pulse
[22:19] <ugly_cat> Hmm, how?k
[22:21] <Peace-> ugly_cat: i found this maybe that will help you https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#Remap_stereo_to_mono
[22:22] <Peace-> ugly_cat: it's not for ubuntu but i found that the file you need to edit it's in kubuntu too
[22:22] <Peace-> so i guess you can try to edit
[22:22] <ugly_cat> Neat! Thanks a lot.
[22:25] <Peace-> ugly_cat: you   are welcome
[22:26] <Peace-> i was around testin my new ssd with kubuntu :D
[22:27] <ugly_cat> Neatt. How do you like it?
[22:27] <Peace-> my sony vaio it's faster and kubuntu recognizes everything , you have to think that windows 8.1 has a terrible hardware problem with this laptop
[22:28] <Peace-> no stability in wifi
[22:28] <Peace-> no bluetooth
[22:28] <Peace-> and windows 8 it's a complete mess
[22:29] <Peace-> kubuntu instead it's really really fast and the kernel recognizes everything  better than windows
[22:29] <ugly_cat> I did a bit of tech support for my college, a lot of the students had wifi trouble on their windows 8 laptop.
[22:29] <Peace-> well i got my ssd and windows 8 it's the older hd
[22:30] <Peace-> :D tomorow i will get the cable sata => usb so if i need windows i iwll boot from usb
[22:30] <Peace-> xD
[22:31] <ugly_cat> I used to have windows on this old hard drive I took out of my brothers netbook. I barely ever used it, it finally died earlier this year. Was not mad.
[22:34] <Peace-> :D
[22:36] <ugly_cat> Neatt I think it worked!
[22:38] <ugly_cat> Wait think I spoke to soon
[22:38] <ugly_cat> Wait it did work
[22:38] <ugly_cat> I just need to set it to the mono one
[22:40] <ugly_cat> That is slick, much a much nicer fix than I thought it would be!
[22:46] <Peace-> ugly_cat: :D


[03:47] <boredandblogging> newz2000: just saw your email
[03:48] <boredandblogging> gonna take a look at it right now
[03:48] <emunkki> anyone with kubuntu II screenshot?
[04:17] <newz2000> hi emunkki: what is it you're looking for?
[04:18] <emunkki> was looking for a screenshot
[04:18] <emunkki> not any more
[04:18] <emunkki> thanks anyway
[14:53] <Volans> Hi all, newz2000 if you have some time take a look at bug 254970 . I can confirm that there is something strange with the search engine but I don't know how it is configured so I can't say if is a bug or not...
[14:53] <ubot3> Malone bug 254970 in ubuntu-website "Searching for "system requirements" goes directly to irrelevant page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/254970
[14:53] <newz2000> ok, I know about that one. I purchased a google business custom search engine to replace it but haven't put it in yet - it's in my todo list for this week.
[14:55] <Volans> ah ok, good... if I can ask... why business?
[14:57] <newz2000> Volans: the business lets us remove the ads
[14:57] <Volans> uh... you **want** the ads in the start page but not in the result page?
[14:57] <newz2000> funny huh?
[14:57] <newz2000> :-)
[14:58] <Volans> yeah!!!
[14:58] <Volans> but Ubuntu can be trated as a no-profit organisation?
[14:58] <newz2000> hmm - interesting thought
[14:58] <Volans> because in this case you can ask google to not show the ads... there is an option in the custon google search
[14:58] <Volans> s/custon/custom/
[14:59] <Volans> management panel
[14:59] <newz2000> I remember seeing it now that you mention it - I don't know if we're classified as a non-profit org, I'll have to check.
[15:01] <Volans> and in any cases if you use the ajax method to display the search results there isn't any ads... but you need JS to make searches..
[15:01] <newz2000> I don't like the ajax search
[15:01] <newz2000> it feels weird
[15:01] <newz2000> I prefer an experience as similar to google's as possible
[15:05] <Volans> obviously no news for the other task... right?
[15:05] <Volans> ;)
[15:06] <newz2000> I composed a long email last night and sent to a friend for review
[15:06] <newz2000> he said I wrote too long of an email so I'm revising it this morning
[15:06] <newz2000> :-)
[15:06] <newz2000> anyway, I'm ready to kick stuff off on the feature tour
[15:07] <newz2000> the start page is bogged down by legal stuff between canonical/mozilla
[15:07] <Volans> damn...
[15:08] <Volans> (for the start page)
[15:08] <newz2000> yeah
[15:08] <Volans> (and for legal stuff... same as license stuff)
[15:30] <Volans> I have to go now... come back later...


[06:01] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:54] <Horus> hi! i have this problem from time to time: the k menu is freezing and i can't access the content of the menu and i need to reboot my pc.
[06:54] <Horus> does someone here knows why this happens?
[10:03] <HiPhish> Hello everyone; I have a question about setting my locale (language in particular)
[10:04] <HiPhish> I have set it to English in System Settings (the GUI thing), but when I run `printenv | grep LC` I still see a lot of non-English locales.
[10:04] <HiPhish> This results in some applications being a mess of different languages.
[10:04] <HiPhish> Where can I set my local permanently?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:18] <psidhu> is there any way to backport plasma-browser-integration to Plasma 5.12 (Kubuntu 18.04)
[15:34] <acheronuk> psidhu: the p-b-i developer says that should work ok, so we can take a look
[15:35] <psidhu> acheronuk: ok, thanks for that.
[15:36] <acheronuk> psidhu: I'll build some test packages in the next day or 2 and give a link if you are still in here by then
[15:37] <psidhu> acheronuk: great, thanks a bunch. I should still be on here.
[16:23] <Alexfrench> good evening
[16:24] <Alexfrench> what is the best python version and the difference between 3.7 and 3.7.1rc1 ?
[17:03] <Alexfrench> thanks for not to reply
[17:18] <BluesKaj> ask in #python
[17:24] <Alexfrench> of course i am stupid !
[18:02] <grady> hi, any idea how i can change audio file format from 3gp to something else a way that the file or the new file keep original file timestamps?
[18:19] <bprompt> grady:    hmm what are you exactly doing?  are you just processing like 300 3gp files?
[18:20] <grady> somewhat :)
[18:21] <bprompt> grady:    hmmm so... why does the timestamp matter? :)
[18:22] <grady> ffmpeg cannot change the container of it, these 3gp containers are amr format
[18:22] <grady> because the cloud sync
[18:23] <grady> so i can unpack the amr file out of that 3gp file but then.. i cannot do nothing :/
[18:25] <grady> so after that unpack, i need to move the amr file to some other container which is google drive compatible :)
[18:26] <grady> vorbis,flac
[18:26] <grady> and then i need to change that final file timestamp :)
[18:27] <bprompt> ahemm   I use soundKonverter  usually and convert most files to mp3....... as I read some of its docs, ffmepg is meant to have amr support, assuming it's compiled with such and Sox(sound exchange) package is installed, bear in mind I'm on kubuntu 16.04
[18:29] <grady> it can recognize amr but it cannot pack amr files any other container with -codec copy
[18:30] <grady> it says that it cannot make proper header for it
[18:33] <bprompt> grady:   https://sourceforge.net/projects/format-factory/   <---- does that look feasible?
[18:35] <grady> for windows? :)
[18:36] <grady> and sf says that setup file can contain malware? :o
[18:37] <grady> but yeah, thanks for the effort :) something like that can be great
[18:42] <bprompt> hehh
[19:35] <marcony> hello, somebody knows how to fix the bluetooth problem on kubuntu?
[19:44] <marcony> ?
[19:48] <ylel9> '/list
[20:12] <grady> marcony: what kind of problem?


[00:30] <Jake_from_State_> Hello
[01:06] <Chavorruco> hola
[01:06] <Chavorruco> alguien por aqui___
[01:06] <Chavorruco> ??
[01:07] <Jake_from_State_> Hello Chav
[01:07] <leftyfb> !es | Chavorruco
[01:07] <Chavorruco> ok tks
[01:18] <acer__> did i quit
[01:44] <diamat> hi
[01:44] <diamat> I love Ubuntu
[01:44] <diamat> 👁 💕 Ubuntu
[01:47] <Jake_from_State_> hello I also love ubuntu
[01:48] <ooberbanana> prefer it to windows
[01:49] <Jake_from_State_> I have my desktop and hp laptop running Ubuntu 22.04 and a Surface Go Laptop 2 running Fedora
[01:49] <leftyfb> !discuss
[02:12] <webchat24> driver problems for network latest version, someone was able to solve it for the lunar version
[02:58] <kerxphilox> Is the Ubuntu server the most minimal ISO setup disk for a bare bone Ubuntu server installation?
[03:01] <kerxphilox> Basically asking if there is another installation ISO that is geared towards a very minimal server installation
[03:04] <leftyfb> kerxphilox: that's about as basic as it gets
[03:04] <kerxphilox> Ok cool
[05:50] <Yakov> I need to make simple script to open my application
[05:50] <Yakov> is there possible to make script to be opened with shortcut, like I do with exe on Windows?
[05:54] <kerxphilox> Yakov: You can create a bash or zsh script on the desktop with your editor if you have any programming experience
[07:02] <V1A> jeebus
[08:11] <throwthecheese> Is there a way to prevent random fakeroot.sysv.so errors from occuring while building a package?
[11:22] <throwthecheese> Any idea on avoiding ld.so errors regarding fakeroot?
[11:28] <throwthecheese> I'm trying to build a package but it always fails with an error saying libfakeroot.sysv.so couldn't be loaded
[11:32] <ice9> what sound server is used in 23.04?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:19] <Lion-O> I have a directory in external hard drive on my ubuntu I want to lock with password. I think because it's NTFS it doesn't let me change permissions. Even after I made some changes in the fstab file - it just refuses to change permissions. I don't want to format the whole drive. What are my options?
[13:21] <leftyfb> Lion-O: you can't change linux permissions on NTFS. You could create an encrypted tarball using gpg
[13:24] <Lion-O> leftyfb, why gpg? Can't I do that with zip or 7zip?
[13:25] <leftyfb> Lion-O: you could, but I would have more confidence in gpg
[13:25] <Lion-O> leftyfb, I agree on that
[13:26] <Lion-O> Thanks
[13:44] <JanC> you *can* change linux permissions on NTFS when you configure user mapping
[13:47] <JanC> Lion-O: as you use NTFS, I assume you want to use that drive to exchange those files with Windows?
[13:54] <Lion-O> JanC, I once did use those files with Windows. No more
[13:56] <JanC> if you don't need those files on Windows there are various other solutions, like using an (encrypted) disk image file or an overlay filesystem
[13:57] <Lion-O> Interesting. If these are not complicated, can you give me some links?
[13:58] <JanC> if an encrypted zip/7z file does all you need it's an option too, of course
[13:59] <Lion-O> Maybe simplest is the way to go. Haven’t decided yet
[14:00] <JanC> so also depends on if e.g. you need to be able to access those files as "regular files" with all applications (without having to extract them first)
[14:01] <Lion-O> gpg is a little too much. Yes, I want to be having to put the password only when accessing the folder and then be able to access all files without any trouble
[14:01] <Lion-O> Should be more of a gui folder lock then actual folder lock
[14:02] <Lion-O> BBL to examine things
[14:04] <JanC> not sure what you mean by that "gui folder lock"   :)
[14:07] <Lion-O> I mean if you try to access with terminal then you can w r x but if you try to use nautilus than you get password request
[14:21] <JanC> nautilus can access anything any other program can access...
[14:44] <mzoku> здрасти
[14:44] <mzoku> I mean Hi
[14:45] <mzoku> how to find whats fixed in 22.04, that was a problem on 18.04, at the kernal level and drivers?
[14:47] <alkisg> mzoku: that would be like 100.000 lines of code or more... what could you possibly want to do with such a diff, instead of just getting a newer kernel?
[14:49] <JanC> it's simply impossible to have a complete list of that
[14:49] <mzoku> yeah, alkisg just to know if its worth it instaliing drivers and upgrding kernals, to finally get my sound card work
[14:50] <alkisg> mzoku: you'd need a month to collect the "problem" .diffs and a year to read them; it'll be easier to just boot a live cd and check
[14:50] <JanC> alkisg: not to mention a lot of fixes won't be mentioned literally
[14:51] <JanC> sometimes things get fixed (or broken) as a result of something else
[14:51] <leftyfb> mzoku: boot a live usb
[14:51] <mzoku> leftyfb, for what
[14:52] <leftyfb> mzoku: to see if the issue is resolved
[14:52] <mzoku> its not working on vms or live usb
[14:52] <JanC> it's probably the easiest way to check, indeed
[14:52] <leftyfb> mzoku: also, 18.04 is EOL. So you don't have much of a choice anyway
[14:52] <mzoku> yep
[14:53] <mzoku> it is working only with windows installed
[14:54] <JanC> if it doesn't work on 18.04 then you have nothing to lose with installing a newer Ubuntu...
[14:54] <mzoku> im already on the 22.04
[14:54] <JanC> what sound card is it?
[14:55] <leftyfb> mzoku: if you're running 22.04 then why did you ask to see a changelog to see if something is fixed in 22.04?
[14:57] <mzoku> sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl
[14:58] <mzoku> leftyfb, how do I know if there is updated drivers for some new kernal versions that are working with 22.04?
[14:58] <mzoku> thats why I was curious to find out whats fixed
[14:58] <leftyfb> mzoku: sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:59] <mzoku> [    5.466766] sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: Direct firmware load for intel/sof-tplg/sof-tgl-es8336-dmic2ch-ssp0.tplg failed with error -2
[15:00] <JanC> you have firmware-sof-signed installed?
[15:01] <mzoku> I guess not
[15:01] <mzoku> [    5.466793] sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: you may need to download the firmware from https://github.com/thesofproject/sof-bin/
[15:01] <mzoku> I will try
[15:01] <leftyfb> mzoku: sudo apt install firmware-sof-signed
[15:01] <mzoku> that output of dmesg didnt came in 18.04
[15:02] <mzoku> I already had it
[15:02] <mzoku> firmware-sof-signed is already the newest version (2.0-1ubuntu4.1).
[15:04] <leftyfb> mzoku: also, FYI, a VM isn't going to use drivers for your soundcard. VM's use emulated hardware and drivers
[15:05] <JanC> I assume it wouldn't try to load the firmware if it didn't detect the hardware
[15:05] <mzoku> leftyfb, yep, I just mentioned it so for the same reason live usb wont be any differnt
[15:05] <mzoku> JanC, how to pastebin the output?
[15:05] <leftyfb> live usb has nothing to do with VM’s or emulated hardware or drivers
[15:07] <mzoku> than why suggesting to boot with live usb
[15:07] <mzoku> aaah I see, you thought im still on 18.04
[15:07] <mzoku> and just to check 22.04
[15:07] <mzoku> ok ok :)
[15:07] <JanC> it seems to me that "sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl 0000:00:1f.3: Direct firmware load for intel/sof-tplg/sof-tgl-es8336-dmic2ch-ssp0.tplg failed with error -2" means it detected the hardware & tried to load the firmware, but then that failed
[15:08] <mzoku> how to pastebin the output
[15:08] <mzoku> in a link
[15:09] <coconut> !paste
[15:10] <JanC> oh, I see, that exact firmware seems to be missing
[15:13] <mzoku> https://pastebin.com/Q37kUDiF
[15:13] <tomreyn> 23.04 has sof-tgl-es8336-dmic2ch-ssp0.tplg - it probably needs an SRU to 22.04
[15:14] <JanC> right
[15:14] <mzoku> yep, and there was few people reporting it and I thought someone will solve it
[15:15] <tomreyn> so there's an existing bug report?
[15:16] <mzoku> Yes, there should be a few, I remember it, was 2 years ago
[15:16] <mzoku> but can't find it no more
[15:16] <tomreyn> none here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firmware-sof
[15:17] <JanC> there seem to be some older fixed reports for other hardware
[15:18] <mzoku> JanC, where is it
[15:19] <tomreyn> mzoku: you can report this firmware missing in 22.04 LTS on your 22.04 installation by running: ubuntu-bug firmware-sof
[15:20] <leftyfb> https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/linux-hardware/17167065
[15:20] <mzoku> how to get a package for this ubuntu-bug
[15:22] <mzoku> JanC, thanks, I was trying this one https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=274559 and it was the closest to fix the issue.
[15:25] <mzoku> I don't have apport
[15:25] <mzoku> anyways, I will wait for 24.04 :)
[15:26] <tomreyn> mzoku: apport is installed on all ubuntu systems by default
[15:26] <mzoku> I am removing it
[15:30] <JanC> removing what?
[15:30] <JanC> I think you can download https://github.com/thesofproject/sof-bin/raw/main/v2.2.x/sof-tplg-v2.2.1/sof-tgl-es8336-dmic2ch-ssp0.tplg and copy it into /lib/firmware/intel/sof-tplg/ to make it work now
[15:30] <JanC> but you should still report a bug
[15:30] <mzoku> im purging apport with every fresh install, thats why I dont have ubuntu-bug
[15:31] <JanC> eh...
[15:31] <JanC> why?
[15:31] <mzoku> JanC, let me see, I hope thats omething new that I didn't try 2 years ago
[15:36] <mzoku> JanC, anything esle
[15:37] <mzoku> just reboot now?
[15:43] <mzoku> JanC, no more dummy sound, now there is tiger-lake speakers SMart... I can see the bar of the sound moving
[15:43] <mzoku> but not sound from the speakers
[15:45] <JanC> and no more firmware loading error?
[15:45] <JanC> that sounds like it's muted or something
[15:46] <mzoku> yes no errors, and seems like its muted, but it isn't
[15:46] <mzoku> what checks would you recommend?  I feel like I am almost there to have sound
[15:47] <mzoku> https://pastebin.com/kW3qFmPN
[15:48] <JanC> did you try checking the output devices in the Sound settings?
[15:49] <mzoku> yest I tried the Test funcion as well, I can see the sound is coming with the moving bar
[15:49] <mzoku> but can't hear it
[15:49] <JanC> there might be more than one (e.g. internal speakers, external ones, & HDMI)
[15:49] <mzoku> its just one
[15:50] <mzoku> and the input is totally dead
[15:54] <iomari891> greetings, how can I install ipmiconsole?
[15:54] <mzoku> sudo apt install freeipmi-tools
[15:56] <iomari891> thanks
[16:00] <JanC> mzoku: did you try changing the volume or mute/unmute with the keys on that laptop?
[16:01] <mzoku> yep, I am not blocking anything
[16:01] <mzoku> maybe I need something else to install as well, or to do something in the BIOS/UEFI to which I might not have the password
[16:02] <JanC> when you run alsamixer, are there any channels shown as muted (MM)?  (don't change anything)
[16:05] <JanC> also, when you use the volume up/down buttons, the volume meter for one of those channels should move (which one?)
[16:05] <mzoku> JanC, nope, its good https://imgur.com/a/7B9tSn1
[16:06] <mzoku> JanC, thats interesting .. its moving the first one, which is headphones
[16:06] <mzoku> and the speaker isnt moving
[16:06] <JanC> and it's muted in that picture
[16:06] <JanC> try unmuting it  :)
[16:07] <JanC> with the M key
[16:07] <JanC> and move the volume up to 100% with PgUp
[16:10] <mzoku> thats
[16:10] <mzoku> I can hear the system sounds
[16:10] <mzoku> but nothing else
[16:10] <JanC> heh
[16:10] <mzoku> JanC, thanks a lot mate !
[16:10] <mzoku> I will now try to figure out whats happening
[16:11] <JanC> what do you mean by "nothing else"?
[16:11] <mzoku> I cnt hear anything from browser
[16:11] <mzoku> ah maybe I blocked it
[16:11] <mzoku> one moment
[16:12] <JanC> check volume in the browser also
[16:12] <mzoku> YES!
[16:12] <mzoku> im gooing to cry
[16:13] <JanC> now please file a bug report  :)
[16:13] <mzoku> JanC, I will, install apport and will file the bug :)
[16:14] <JanC> make sure in your explanation of the bug to show the error line about the firmware loading error
[16:15] <mzoku> the one which I pastebin it, there was two lines, ok
[16:15] <JanC> and that you fixed it by downloading & copying the firmware manually
[16:16] <mzoku> I will I will, let me just figure out the sound now, its very poor and low and will be file the bug
[16:21] <ckayhan> How do I BOTH turn off and lock the screen on Ubuntu 20.04.6?
[16:21] <ckayhan> from command line
[16:23] <mzoku> gnome-session-quit
[16:55] <mzoku> how and where to file a bug and a solution, ubuntu-bug doesnt work - it says there isn't a package ... ubuntu-bug sof-audio-pci-intel-tgl
[16:59] <JanC> the source package name is 'firmware-sof'
[16:59] <JanC> so: ubuntu-bug firmware-sof
[17:00] <mzoku> *** Problem in firmware-sof
[17:00] <mzoku> The problem cannot be reported:
[17:00] <mzoku> This report is about a package that is not installed.
[17:01] <JanC> 'firmware-sof-signed' then
[17:01] <mzoku> yes thats it
[17:02] <JanC> I thought source packages would work too  :)
[18:08] <mzoku> JanC, I filled the bug. Thanks a ton for finding out how to solve my problem with the no sound  :)))))
[18:19] <joseph1> howdy - a couple days ago i changed kernels - they work fine on my ssd - on the other drive - it is a m.2 - on the m.2 when ubuntu changed to 6.2 - I panicked and went and installed nvidia from their site - total failure - I have searched their site for the un-install command - found none - help - thanks.
[20:12] <mzoku> if I remove the cinfig file of alsamixer, would it be recreated ot boot?  This isn't the place for it
[21:07] <fu-snapd> ?
[21:08] <leftyfb> fu-snapd: this is a support channel. Ranting and being disrespectful is offtopic here
[21:08] <leftyfb> joseph1: what can we help you with?
[21:08] <joseph1> im finding a file - brb
[21:08] <fu-snapd> this is not the channel to talk about snap? leftyfb ?
[21:08] <fu-snapd> oh !
[21:09] <leftyfb> fu-snapd: if you have an issue you legitimately need help with, we are happy to help you troubleshoot or point you to a tutorial. This is not the place to "discuss" snap, no.
[21:09] <joseph1>  a couple days ago i changed kernels - they work fine on my ssd - on the other drive - it is a m.2 - on the m.2 when ubuntu changed to 6.2 - I panicked and went and installed nvidia from their site - total failure - I have searched their site for the un-install command - found none - help - thanks.
[21:09] <fu-snapd> leftyfb: lol, so
[21:09] <leftyfb> joseph1: revert to the previous kernel
[21:09] <joseph1> i did
[21:10] <leftyfb> reinstall the previous nvidia
[21:10] <leftyfb> driver*
[21:10] <fu-snapd> snap est une merde imonde, elle fait honte aux logiciels libres
[21:10] <joseph1> nvidia site drivers some how blocked everything
[21:10] <leftyfb> !op | fu-snapd
[21:11] <joseph1> there is a block somewhere -  I cant find it.
[21:11] <joseph1> sudo apt-get remove --purge '^nvidia-.*' didnt work
[21:12] <leftyfb> joseph1: sudo apt remove --purge --autoremove nvidia-*
[21:12] <joseph1> did that
[21:13] <joseph1> maybe i should just copy and paste my folders and re-install ?
[21:13] <fu-snapd> come on, I have to be banned. Because snap, is an unexpected sh** :)
[21:13] <rbox> fu-snapd: F- trolling
[21:13] <fu-snapd> no !
[21:14] <leftyfb> fu-snapd: stop
[21:14] <fu-snapd> this is a sh**
[21:14] <joseph1> fu - grow up - leave people alone.
[21:14] <fu-snapd> <;
[21:14] <fu-snapd> .
[21:15] <fu-snapd> no :(
[21:15] <joseph1> fu - if this the place for a fix - you found it - dont harass the help.
[21:16] <fu-snapd> okay.
[21:16] <joseph1> maybe i should ask another time.
[21:16] <leftyfb> joseph1: ignore the troll
[21:17] <joseph1> no worries
[21:17] <joseph1> the world has gone nuts
[21:17] <fu-snapd> /ignore *!*@user/pong ,>
[21:17] <joseph1> i feel sorry for those who help those who have real problems.
[21:18] <joseph1> ban everything abt that booger, lol.
[21:19] <joseph1> anyway, as i stated earlier - maybe the build is broke.
[21:20] <joseph1> I cant seem to reverse the block - that nvidia put on me installing nvidia - after trying to - un-installing nvidia site -  drivers - nouveau woeks fine -  think there is a block - somewhere.
[21:22] <joseph1> remember - this was in the first stages of 6.2
[21:23] <joseph1> I converted to the GA kernel and have installed 5.15
[21:24] <joseph1> please dont sweatit - if i have to ill copy & paste my files and - re-install. thanks
[21:26] <joseph1> itis a queer m.2 = and its called -team - so - maybe its a ccp garbage.
[21:26] <joseph1> who knows.
[21:26] <leftyfb> joseph1: define "block"
[21:27] <joseph1> maybe there is a config file thats telling it not to load
[21:27] <leftyfb> joseph1: what error message do you get?
[21:27] <Ali_nz> I have got a java jar file that is being run at startup
[21:27] <Ali_nz> I cant find it as a service or in crontab
[21:27] <Ali_nz> where else to look?
[21:27] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: what do you mean you can't find it?
[21:28] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: how should this jar file be started?
[21:28] <joseph1> leftyfb,  i tried deleting xorg
[21:28] <leftyfb> joseph1: reinstall
[21:28] <joseph1> no-such-file
[21:28] <joseph1> ya, what i thought.. thanks lefty.
[21:29] <joseph1> have a great day lefty. thanks.
[21:29] <mzoku> you can purge all snap and isolate it so it never installs anything
[21:29] <joseph1> ALL you helpers @ ubuntu - your wonderful.. god bless.
[21:29] <leftyfb> mzoku: who are you referencing?
[21:29] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: I can see the jar file running in ps -aux
[21:29] <joseph1> end.
[21:29] <mzoku> fu-snapd
[21:30] <oerheks> mzoku, not really .. some core components are snap in gnome
[21:30] <oerheks> mzoku, oh, troll has left
[21:30] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: if i restart the pc its still running
[21:30] <leftyfb> mzoku: they were removed from the channel
[21:30] <mzoku> oerheks, like which ones
[21:30] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: somehow its getting run at startup
[21:30] <mzoku> leftyfb, ah okay
[21:30] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: did you install this jar file? What is it?
[21:30] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: nah I wrote it, and I want it started, I just want to remember how i am autostarting it lol
[21:30] <oerheks> snap list should give a clue...
[21:31] <mzoku> leftyfb, I have zero snap packages
[21:31] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: check /etc/rc.local or ~/.config/autostart
[21:31] <Ali_nz> I have created a bash script to start it, but cant see a corresponding .service file
[21:31] <mzoku> and snapd is purged
[21:31] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: you should be using a systemd service file
[21:31] <leftyfb> mzoku: do you need help with something?
[21:32] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: these dont exist : /etc/rc.local or ~/.config/autostart
[21:32] <Ali_nz> and I cant find a corresponding service file
[21:32] <mzoku> leftyfb, yes, I have asked how to set alsamizer to default settings, and if I remove the config file from home dir, would it be recreated on boot with default settings
[21:32] <kaleido> remove the bash script that starts it
[21:32] <Ali_nz> unless maybe I do some sort of search in service files because I gave it a dumb name
[21:32] <Ali_nz> (possible)
[21:32] <oerheks> Ali_nz, perhaps in bashrc or profile
[21:33] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: what release of ubuntu is this? What Desktop Environment?
[21:33] <leftyfb> mzoku: you can remove anything you want from ~/
[21:33] <Ali_nz> its 20
[21:33] <Ali_nz> Desktop
[21:33] <mzoku> oerheks, but to be honest, root still has snapd and its packages, like if I log in with root and do snap list, I got all snaps.
[21:33] <Ali_nz> oerheks: How do I check bashrc ?
[21:34] <mzoku> leftyfb, yes, but will it create the config file on boot
[21:34] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: if it's needed, yes
[21:34] <leftyfb> mzoku: if it's needed, yes
[21:34] <Ali_nz> is there a startup log that might provide a clue?
[21:34] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: ( cat /etc/os-release ; uname -a ; echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:36] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: thats very cool https://termbin.com/rrdwq
[21:37] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: sudo apt install locate && sudo updatedb && locate <name-of-your-bash-script-goes-here>
[21:37] <oerheks> rename the java.tar and see what error shows up
[21:39] <Ali_nz> locate - some sort of find tool
[21:40] <Ali_nz> It only found stuff in the directory that contains the jar file and bash (same dir)
[21:40] <Ali_nz> very odd
[21:42] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: anything in startup log?
[21:43] <kaleido> Ali_nz: have you looked for anything in ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile?
[21:45] <Ali_nz> those dirs dont exist
[21:47] <kaleido> they are files in your $HOME
[21:49] <Ali_nz> ok - got em
[21:49] <Ali_nz> nothing related that i can see
[21:57] <jhutchins> locate does not search all directories and respects permissions - it won't show you files you don't see.
[21:58] <leftyfb> locate searches all directories in the same filesystem that you have permission to read
[21:58] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: sudo locate <name-of-your-bash-script-goes-here>
[21:59] <leftyfb> jhutchins: actually, I don't think that's true. sudo updatedb generates the index of all the files, which is using sudo.
[22:01] <Ali_nz> I tried it as me and as sudo -i
[22:01] <Ali_nz> same result
[22:01] <oerheks> systemctl list-units --all   or systemctl --type=service
[22:01] <Ali_nz> leftyfb I could teamviewer if you have time?
[22:02] <Ali_nz> its just bizzare
[22:02] <oerheks> who has installed that java thingy for you?
[22:02] <leftyfb> jhutchins: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7gYxq6mGVX/
[22:02] <Ali_nz> lol I did
[22:02] <Ali_nz> but it was a while ago
[22:03] <Ali_nz> probably followed a tutorial, and I would have expected it to be a service type setup
[22:04] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: get the PID of your running application
[22:04] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: then ps -ef |grep <PID>
[22:05] <oerheks> maybe it is not running at all
[22:07] <Ali_nz> root         681     652  0 09:17 ?        00:00:00 /bin/sh -c java -jar /home/algrant/Vehicles/GetStoCSV-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
[22:07] <Ali_nz> root         687     681  0 09:17 ?        00:00:20 java -jar /home/algrant/Vehicles/GetStoCSV-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.jar
[22:07] <leftyfb> !paste | Ali_nz
[22:07] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: ps -ef |grep  681
[22:08] <Ali_nz> thats it
[22:08] <Ali_nz> thats what I get
[22:08] <leftyfb> oh
[22:09] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: ps -ef |grep 652
[22:10] <Ali_nz> https://pastebin.com/eQ7pE1fB
[22:11] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: 404
[22:11] <leftyfb> try a new paste
[22:12] <Ali_nz> https://pastebin.com/YN71Bb7p
[22:12] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: it was started from CRON
[22:13] <Ali_nz> leftyfb: ahhhh - its was started from sudos cron
[22:13] <Ali_nz> not mine
[22:13] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: sudo crontab -l
[22:13] <Ali_nz> but it would be better to run it as a service right
[22:13] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: I highly recommend creating a proper systemd service file
[22:14] <Ali_nz> snap
[22:14] <Ali_nz> I am going to reboot now and make sure its no longer running then have a go at a service file
[22:17] <Ali_nz> leftyfb thansk for helping me on that
[22:17] <Ali_nz> thought I was going nuts
[22:19] <Ali_nz> how do i exit sudo -i
[22:21] <tomreyn> type "exit" and press enter
[22:21] <tomreyn> or press ctrl-d
[22:26] <Ali_nz> ta
[22:31] <jhutchins> Ali_nz: Tip:  You can use the shutdown command from within the sudo -i shell.  shutdown -r now for reboot, -h for halt.
[22:32] <jhutchins> Ali_nz: It will properly close any active applications, including the double shell.
[22:33] <Ali_nz> Hmm, doesnt like running as a service
[22:33] <Ali_nz> https://pastebin.com/DQub0CvV
[22:33] <Ali_nz> The sh files runs fine on its own
[22:34] <Ali_nz> Can the exec start be my dir
[22:34] <Ali_nz> Or must it be : ExecStart=/usr/bin/script.sh
[22:36] <oerheks> full path
[22:39] <Ali_nz> oerheks: got it - thanks
[22:41] <Ali_nz> and is there a way to monitor this service via email - like alerts if it stops?
[22:41] <Ali_nz> some ubununtu monitoring tool perhaps
[22:46] <oerheks> ExecStopPost https://superuser.com/questions/1360346/how-to-send-an-email-alert-when-a-linux-service-has-stopped  but i wonder why that stolenvehicles program has no such option
[22:50] <Ali_nz> but how can a program that has stopped alert you that it has stopped (because its not running)
[22:50] <Ali_nz> thats why the link you sent is probably what I want
[22:51] <Ali_nz> although since I am in the mood for learning - is there not a way nagios can link to a mobile and give you like a home screen alert when things go wrong? that would be swtt
[22:51] <Ali_nz> sweet
[22:55] <Ali_nz> https://pushover.net/pricing - could integrate with this I suppose
[23:07] <leftyfb> Ali_nz: I use pushover for things just like this


[00:19] <harlowja> smoser` harmw https://www.openstack.org/vote-atlanta/Presentation/askflow-this-time-with-rainbow-ponies
[00:19] <harlowja> vote, thx ;)
[08:32] <harmw> and just wtf is taskflow :p


[17:33] <pleia2> hey folks, CC meeting happening in #ubuntu-meeting now, hoping to check in with Ubuntu Studio folks after we chat with Xubuntu :)
[17:33] <Unit193> pleia2: holstein is US, so is zequence if he's around.
[17:33] <pleia2> Unit193: thanks, mr not here
[17:34]  * Unit193 snorted. :3
[17:34] <Unit193> pleia2: Hello!
[17:34] <pleia2> :)
[17:34] <holstein> im there :)


[09:09] <nysosym> goood morning fschoep :)
[09:09] <fschoep> Ni nysosym
[09:09] <fschoep> Hi nysosym *
[09:09] <nysosym> how are u?
[09:10] <fschoep> nysosym: Got a cold, otherwise fine, you?
[09:10] <nysosym> the same like u ;)
[09:10] <nysosym> I'll make me some coffee now
[09:11] <fschoep> nysosym: great, I'm the weekly dev meeting so I might reply a bit late everytime
[09:12] <nysosym> absolute no problem :)))
[09:25] <nysosym> what i ever wanna ask fschoep, is developing ubuntu your main job?
[09:26] <fschoep> nysosym: kind of at the moment, yes
[09:26] <nysosym> well paid? :D
[09:26] <fschoep> nysosym: I can't comment on that one in public
[09:26] <nysosym> ok i understand this :)
[09:26] <fschoep> nysosym: OK
[09:27] <fschoep> :)
[09:27] <BHSPitLappy> well, the profits those shipit cd's bring in have to go somewhere
[09:27] <fschoep> BHSPitLappy: right :)
[09:27] <BHSPitLappy> ;)
[09:27] <BHSPitLappy> so you're a Canonical dude or something?
[09:28] <BHSPitLappy> I work for Wendy's... not quite as noble an endeavor
[09:28] <fschoep> No I'm just a normal person working on Ubuntu but I'm being paid for it
[09:28] <BHSPitLappy> ah.
[09:28] <nysosym> wendys BHSPitLappy?
[09:29] <BHSPitLappy> nysosym, it's a restaurant chain, like McDonald's, etc
[09:29] <BHSPitLappy> but better food ;)
[09:29] <fschoep> It's a bit of a coincidence I got this opportunity but I really like doing this
[09:29] <BHSPitLappy> I've gotta get to bed, night night everyone
[09:29] <nysosym> ahhh okay, i`m from german and never hear that name :D
[09:29] <BHSPitLappy> yeah, lucky lucky fschoep
[09:29] <nysosym> gn8 BHSPitLappy :)
[09:29] <fschoep> BHSPitLappy: g'night
[09:29] <BHSPitLappy> night
[09:30] <nysosym> fschoep: a dev "only" for the art, or everything about ubuntu?
[09:31] <fschoep> nysosym: my role is officially "Artist in Chief" so I'm on the artwork side mainly
[09:31] <fschoep> But I don't mind fixing bugs in code or anything
[09:32] <nysosym> ahh ok, i will go to do the same like u, in future :)
[09:32] <nysosym> i love graphic design ^^
[09:32] <fschoep> nysosym: great, I hope you will be on the team for next release :)
[09:32] <nysosym> :D sure
[09:32] <nysosym> i will try m best
[09:33] <fschoep> Good
[09:33] <fschoep> Have you had a chance to get that mail priority emblem to work?
[09:33] <nysosym> but at moment i do everything to find these (sorry) stupid icon....
[09:33] <nysosym> fschoep: nothing, sry :(
[09:34] <fschoep> OK, no problem I'll look into it today
[09:34] <nysosym> i have asked the gnome people, but they can't help me :(
[09:34] <nysosym> fschoep: maybe a bug? :D
[09:34] <fschoep> nysosym: could be, if I can't get it to work I'll seek out further advice
[09:35] <nysosym> fine :)
[09:36] <nysosym> thanks for all :)
[09:37] <nysosym> for me it's a honesty that MY icons will be in the next ubuntu release :)))
[09:37] <nysosym> brb :)
[09:55] <nysosym> re :D
[10:09] <nysosym> fschoep: how long is such a developer meeting? :)
[10:09] <fschoep> nysosym: one to one-and-a-half hours
[10:10] <fschoep> we're done now
[10:10] <nysosym> any results? :)
[10:10] <fschoep> nysosym: just the weekly status update and the fact that final artwork needs to go in this week
[10:12] <nysosym> although many many many work... :-/
[10:17] <akulah> I have a problem
[10:17] <fschoep> akulah: shoot
[10:17] <akulah> the usplash in edgy don't show
[10:18] <fschoep> akulah: I think that's a known issue
[10:18] <akulah> i created a new one
[10:18] <akulah> but still didn't work
[10:18] <fschoep> akulah: I see
[10:18] <fschoep> akulah: did you follow the Wiki HowTo?
[10:19] <akulah> partialy
[10:19] <fschoep> OK, if you follow it completely step by step it might work?
[10:19] <akulah> no
[10:20] <akulah> it worked for dapper
[10:20] <akulah> but not for edgy
[10:20] <akulah> even the tools used are different
[10:20] <fschoep> Right, I know of people who got it to work
[10:21] <fschoep> I'm afraid I can't help you with it right now, maybe others can
[10:21] <akulah> tnx very much
[10:22] <akulah> I'll keep trying
[10:22] <akulah> :)
[10:22] <akulah> cheers!
[10:22] <nixternal> akulah: i can help you get it fixed
[10:22] <nixternal>  /etc/usplash.conf
[10:23] <nixternal> set it to 1024 and 768 respectedly..and then 'sudo update-initramfs -u' and then reboot..you should have a Usplash ;)
[10:23] <akulah> OK
[10:23] <nixternal> if that don'e work...then the links between /etc/alternatives and /usr/lib/usplash are broken
[10:23] <akulah> I'm on it
[10:24] <nixternal> hehe..i have done triage on this bug all week long..not really an artwork issue all that much as it is a bad usplash.conf or broken symlinks
[10:24] <nixternal> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2006-10-04 16:53 /etc/alternatives/usplash-artwork.so -> /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-theme-kubuntu.so
[10:25] <akulah> I've checked out the links
[10:25] <akulah> and are ok
[10:25] <nixternal> ok..so they are good?
[10:25] <nixternal> good deal.how about the usplash.conf?
[10:26] <nixternal> i love the /cmd script with konversation...no more doing it in konsole then copy and pasting
[10:26] <akulah> thre usplash.conf has to be modified
[10:26] <nixternal> here is mine
[10:26] <nixternal> # Usplash configuration file
[10:26] <nixternal> xres=1024
[10:26] <nixternal> yres=768
[10:27] <akulah> mine:
[10:27] <akulah> # Usplash configuration file
[10:27] <akulah> xres=640
[10:27] <akulah> yres=480
[10:27] <nixternal> the reason you may not have seen it, is because the monitor picked it up as "out of synch"
[10:27] <nixternal> ya, set it like mine, then 'sudo update-initramfs -u' and reboot to see if that works
[10:27] <akulah> k
[10:28] <akulah> just done it
[10:28] <akulah> tnx
[10:28] <nixternal> no problem ;)
[10:28] <akulah> I have to reboot
[10:28] <akulah> :)
[10:28] <nixternal> yay
[10:28] <nixternal> haha
[10:28] <akulah> o
[10:28] <akulah> just one question
[10:28] <nixternal> shoot
[10:29] <akulah> do I have to set the vga in /boot/grub/menu.lst to 791?
[10:29] <nixternal> no
[10:29] <akulah> ok
[10:29] <nixternal> i never messed with it, and from what i have seen, those who have, had worse problems
[10:29] <akulah> ok
[10:30] <akulah> bye
[10:30] <nixternal> ya, i just double checked, mine is commented out, so it doesn't do it
[10:30] <nixternal> later
[10:30] <nixternal> enjoy
[10:30] <akulah> and thanx again
[10:30] <nixternal> np
[10:55] <nysosym> hi Huwshimi :))
[10:55] <Huwshimi> Hi nysosym
[11:18] <nysosym> wb  fschoep :)
[11:18] <fschoep> nysosym: what's up?
[11:18] <fschoep> nysosym: I got dropped since I closed my Macbook's lid :)
[11:18] <nysosym> any steps forward with the icon? :D
[11:19] <fschoep> nysosym: working on those still, doing lots of work in between, but getting there
[11:19] <nysosym> are u the only one who works on the artwork?
[11:19] <fschoep> mostly, yes
[11:20] <nysosym> wow O.o
[11:20] <fschoep> Well, I'm not the only one *doing* the artwork
[11:21] <fschoep> But I am the one working on getting it in there
[11:21] <fschoep> And making sure it works and it's good and all
[11:21] <nysosym> sure, but although a huge mission
[11:22] <fschoep> Yes, I'm glad you see that :)
[11:23] <nysosym> good speed! ;)
[11:31] <nysosym> hi andreasn :)
[11:31] <andreasn> hi
[11:33] <nysosym> how are u?
[11:34] <andreasn> just fine
[11:34] <andreasn> about to go to the bank and get myself some dollars
[11:34] <andreasn> before leaving for boston tomorrow
[11:34] <andreasn> what about you?
[11:41] <nysosym> i'm fine too
[11:42] <fschoep> Seveas: how are you doing? I've trying to contact you regarding the spotlight usplash.
[11:42] <fschoep> I've been*
[11:43] <Seveas> fschoep, just replied
[11:43] <fschoep> Seveas: right, I'll e-mail it again
[11:45] <fschoep> Seveas: attached and sent
[11:48] <nysosym> fschoep: i`ve been a new step forward with the emblems, the "unread" icon in the sidebar works perfectly now :)
[11:49] <fschoep> nysosym: any special trick?
[11:49] <nysosym> no, just made a copy of "emblem-readonly.svg" and rename the copy to "emblem-nowrite.svg" :)
[11:50] <fschoep> nysosym: right
[11:50] <nysosym> you know that? :D
[11:51] <fschoep> nysosym: now I know ;0
[11:51] <fschoep> nysosym: I'm cleaning up my Edgy to make sure the emblems work with a minimum of changes
[11:51] <nysosym> :)
[11:53] <nysosym> very strange, the "stock_mail-priority-high" icon is only available in "Human", "Tangerine", and "Tango"
[11:58] <Seveas> fschoep, could you pint me to the background image for the spotlight theme
[11:58] <fschoep> Seveas: sure
[11:59] <fschoep> http://thingmajig.org/tmp/usplash_plus/final/png/usplash_rlsl_7_000.png
[11:59] <fschoep> Can you use one of the static frame as a background?
[11:59] <fschoep> frames*
[11:59] <fschoep> I think you can fill up the rest of the screen with dark brown at the edges
[12:00] <fschoep> Seveas: brb
[12:00] <nysosym> fschoep: I HAVE THE ANSWER :DDD
[12:01] <nysosym> "rename "emblem-stock_mail-priority-high.svg" to "stock_mail-priority-high.svg"
[12:01] <nysosym> it works perfectly :)
[12:02] <fschoep> nysosym: right, thanks - that solves all problems then?
[12:02] <fschoep> Seveas: back
[12:02] <nysosym> yes, all is solved :)
[12:02] <fschoep> nysosym: one thing left
[12:02] <nysosym> what?
[12:02] <fschoep> nysosym: keeping the existing desktop emblem
[12:02] <fschoep> nysosym: and having it in prerendered sizes
[12:03] <nysosym> the emblems?
[12:03] <fschoep> yes, the Human desktop emblem
[12:04] <nysosym> hmm the ubuntu logo? *unsure*
[12:04] <fschoep> nysosym: no, we have this teeny tiny desktop emblem
[12:04] <fschoep> nysosym: it is normally on top of the desktop folder
[12:04] <nysosym> yes
[12:04] <nysosym> i have maked a new one *shame*
[12:05] <fschoep> we need to find a way to keep that one while adding yours
[12:05] <fschoep> nysosym: I know you made a new one, but I think we can't drop the existing one
[12:05] <fschoep> nysosym: the current one needs to be in there because of the desktop-button in the lower left corner
[12:06] <nysosym> but my new one is only in the Emblems, in menus are everything "old"
[12:06] <nysosym>  hmm
[12:06] <fschoep> nysosym: that's the problem
[12:06] <fschoep> nysosym: we need to keep the current desktop icon in the emblems for consistency
[12:06] <fschoep> nysosym: the others can all be yours
[12:06] <nysosym> although u need, the original for the "Desktop" folder in home?
[12:06] <fschoep> nysosym: yes
[12:06] <nysosym> ok
[12:07] <nysosym> but i haven't a backup of my original human folder :/
[12:07] <fschoep> I think you could do a "sudo apt-get --reinstall install human-icon-theme"
[12:07] <nysosym> ok mom :)
[12:07] <fschoep> nysosym: make sure you have a backup though!
[12:08] <nysosym> yes
[12:09] <nysosym> personally i use my icon ^^
[12:09] <nysosym> looks much better in the home folder :D
[12:10] <fschoep> nysosym: I see, but could you try keeping the original one?
[12:10] <nysosym> sure! no problem :)
[12:10] <fschoep> nysosym: keep in mind that Human contains prerendered version of that emblem so you might need to futz around with index.theme a bit
[12:10] <fschoep> versions*
[12:13] <fschoep> nysosym: brb, lunchtime :)
[12:13] <nysosym> k have fun :)
[12:13] <fschoep> thanks
[12:27] <Seveas> hmm, imagemagick +map does NOT do what it's supposed to...
[12:37] <cbx33> Frank been around yeT?
[12:52] <nysosym> no
[12:56] <Seveas> yes
[12:56] <Seveas> he left not too long before you joined
[12:59] <nysosym> brb
[01:02] <nysosym> returned :)
[01:04] <nysosym> hi nenotnom :)
[01:13] <nenotnom> nysosym: hey
[01:14] <nysosym> how are u? :)
[01:14] <nenotnom> I'm fine, you?
[01:14] <nysosym> fine too :)
[01:14] <nysosym> any problems? :)
[01:15] <nenotnom> no art related problems
[01:15] <nysosym> ok :)
[01:17] <cbx33> dang it
[01:17] <cbx33> well you guys are art....so http://www.progbox.co.uk/finals/RC/exportUB2.ogg
[01:17] <cbx33> shorter startup sound
[01:20] <nysosym> very very good :)
[01:21] <cbx33> really?
[01:21] <nysosym> is that your own creation?
[01:21] <cbx33> I'm gonna do the shutdown tonight
[01:21] <cbx33> yeh
[01:21] <cbx33> I rerecorded it all last night with my nice new sound card
[01:21] <nysosym> respect
[01:21] <nysosym> which type of sound card one with asio support? :)
[01:25] <nysosym> wb fschoep :)
[01:25] <fschoep> nysosym: hi
[01:25] <fschoep> nysosym: it wasn't a long lunch, I also did some other print work :)
[01:26] <nysosym> you have 2 new mails, but please ignore the first one ^^
[01:26] <fschoep> nysosym: I saw them, yes
[01:26] <fschoep> nysosym: did you manage to keep the original Human desktop emblem?
[01:26] <nysosym> yes
[01:26] <nysosym> all works like a sharm
[01:26] <fschoep> nysosym: even prerendered?
[01:26] <cbx33> fschoep http://www.progbox.co.uk/finals/RC/exportUB2.ogg
[01:26] <fschoep> Hey cbx33 didn't see you get on, hi!
[01:26] <cbx33> nysosym: it's a delta 1010
[01:26] <cbx33> hi
[01:26] <cbx33> i gotta go teach my python class now
[01:27] <fschoep> cbx33: MP3 please ;) ?
[01:27] <fschoep> cbx33: on Mac
[01:27] <nysosym> fschoep: yes even prerendered :d
[01:27] <nysosym> :d
[01:27] <nysosym> ^^
[01:27] <cbx33> I'll have to do that in a min ;)
[01:27] <cbx33> I'll get it for you in about an hour ;)
[01:27] <fschoep> nysosym: OK, thanks - I'll be going through it and I'll pass it to Daniel if it's looking good.
[01:28] <nysosym> fschoep: no problem, i will thank u! :(
[01:28] <nysosym> :) *
[01:28] <fschoep> nysosym: I'm here if you find an error, otherwise I'll get in touch with you
[01:28] <Seveas> fschoep, I am getting increasingly frustrated with both the gimp and imagemagick
[01:28] <fschoep> nysosym: thanks for doing the additional debugging work ;)
[01:28] <Seveas> they seem to ignore me
[01:28] <fschoep> Seveas: I can understand, so can I help?
[01:28] <Seveas> I am trying to make all images use the same palette
[01:28] <fschoep> Right
[01:28] <Seveas> but whatever I do, one image fails to use that palette
[01:29] <Seveas> only one(!)
[01:29] <fschoep> Always one
[01:29] <fschoep> Only one
[01:29] <fschoep> What are you trying exactly?
[01:29] <Seveas> once that is done, the theme is finished
[01:29] <fschoep> Seveas: ooh, shiny
[01:29] <fschoep> Can I help you by making sure they all use the same palette?
[01:30] <Seveas> it's the progressbar image that is now failing
[01:31] <fschoep> Hmm. Can't you create a new one based on the new palette?
[01:31] <fschoep> Or use a simple flat one?
[01:31] <Seveas> I refuse to let some piece of software win ;)
[01:31] <fschoep> Seveas: right :)
[01:32] <fschoep> Seveas: I'd say go for the flat progress bar route if all else fails
[01:32] <fschoep> Seveas: if I can help you by doing something with GIMP let me know, I'm here to help you out
[01:37] <nysosym> fschoep: the network panel icon, is very stretched, a known bug, is that an artwork problem or a other?
[01:37] <nysosym> (i know that bug from dapper) ^^
[01:37] <fschoep> nysosym: https://launchpad.net/bugs/57626
[01:38] <fschoep> nysosym: I patched is yesterday evening, fix is uploaded just now
[01:38] <fschoep> it*
[01:38] <nysosym> ahh okay :)
[01:38] <fschoep> nysosym: enjoy
[01:41] <nysosym> nice, thx :)
[01:46] <fschoep> cbx33: any luck with the MP3?
[01:48] <nysosym> the main server is sooo slow (11kbs).. *fail*
[01:49] <Seveas> ok, so it looks like the palette is correct after all
[01:50] <Seveas> but something in usplash is fucking up the pallette very, very bad
[01:51] <fschoep> Seveas: oh dear, can you work around it?
[01:51] <Seveas> no idea
[01:52] <fschoep> Otherwise, trying a flat progress bar?
[01:52] <fschoep> I'm all for a simple progress bar :)
[01:53] <nysosym> brb *system is restarting*
[01:53] <Seveas> actually, kamion broke it
[01:53] <Seveas> while trying to 'fix' it for framebuffers
[01:53] <Seveas> %#*&&@#!$@
[01:54] <fschoep> Seveas: he's probably in u-devel go ahead and take a trout ;)
[01:54] <Seveas> great, we now have white progressbars and blue text *everywhere*
[01:55] <fschoep> Seveas: sounds good for Kubuntu
[01:55] <Seveas> no
[01:55] <Seveas> the kubuntu theme also looks horrible
[01:55] <fschoep> Seveas: sorry, I was just trying to make a joke
[01:56] <Seveas> and it looks like mjg59 is the one who broke it
[01:56] <fschoep> Seveas: right, can I help you fix it somehow?
[01:57] <nysosym> re
[01:57] <ppd> hi
[01:57] <fschoep> ppd: welcome
[01:57] <nysosym> hi ppd :)
[02:00] <fschoep> nysosym: question
[02:01] <fschoep> nysosym: why are all "large" directories missing from your index.theme?
[02:01] <nysosym> hmmmmm sry, "code optimizing"
[02:02] <fschoep> nysosym: OK
[02:02] <fschoep> nysosym: are there any real differences between the old and new index.theme?
[02:02] <fschoep> except for removing the large sizes?
[02:02] <Seveas> fschoep, creating the theme properly is now blocked on usplash being broken, other than that it's finished
[02:02] <nysosym> not really
[02:02] <fschoep> Seveas: that's good and bad to hear
[02:02] <fschoep> Seveas: must I contact Kamion or mjh59 to solve it?
[02:03] <fschoep> Seveas: I'm not too sure about usplash internals so maybe you should contact them directly?
[02:03] <Seveas> I poked mjg59 already
[02:03] <Seveas> don't know who broke it
[02:03] <fschoep> nysosym: OK, so it should work by just adding the SVGs now?
[02:03] <nysosym> sure
[02:03] <nysosym> i think so
[02:03] <fschoep> Seveas: I'm not sure either but Kamion said something about usplash this morning in the dev meeting.
[02:03] <Seveas> ok
[02:04] <fschoep> Seveas: let me try to find it for you
[02:04] <fschoep> "Kamion:   usplash: tasksel enhancements to fix resolution detection on fresh d-i installs still needed."
[02:04] <fschoep> Seveas: not sure if it's related
[02:05] <Seveas> no
[02:05] <fschoep> nysosym: OK great, saves me the trouble of checking index.theme :0
[02:05] <nysosym> :D
[02:05] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, then I'm probably not going to be able to help you
[02:08] <nysosym> fschoep: hmm when i reinstall the human package with "sudo apt-get --reinstall install human-icon-theme" the cursor theme isn't integrated in the Human folder
[02:09] <fschoep> nysosym: maybe install human cursor theme?
[02:09] <fschoep> just an idea?
[02:09] <nysosym> sure mom
[02:09] <troy_s> heyas fschoep
[02:09] <fschoep> troy_s: howdy
[02:10] <fschoep> troy_s: up early again eh?
[02:10] <troy_s> indeed
[02:10] <fschoep> troy_s: anything on your mind right now
[02:10] <nysosym> fschoep: aahh okay, that works, but than you must remove the cursor folder, from my human package :D
[02:10] <fschoep> nysosym: right, don't worry I'll make sure nothing bad happens!
[02:11] <fschoep> nysosym: if something goes wrong I'll point all bug reporters to YOU :-)
[02:11] <fschoep> j/k
[02:11] <Seveas> fschoep, I may have found the bug
[02:11] <fschoep> Seveas: can you explain it in understandable English?
[02:12] <Seveas> no
[02:12] <nysosym> fschoep: hehe okay :D
[02:12] <nysosym> i will go to work now
[02:12] <Seveas> I need to pinpoint it first ;)
[02:12] <nysosym> good bye my friends :)
[02:12] <fschoep> Seveas: OK I see
[02:12] <nysosym> and happy designing ;)
[02:12] <fschoep> nysosym: see you, thanks !
[02:12] <Seveas> otherwise I may say understandable rubbis
[02:12] <Seveas> h
[02:13] <fschoep> Seveas: right, if you need to vent anything I'm here - I can understand most technical gibberish
[02:14] <troy_s> nvidia aquired by intel possibly eh?
[02:14] <fschoep> troy_s: should be interesting
[02:14] <fschoep> troy_s: with ATI now under AMD?
[02:15] <cbx33> fschoep: do you still need an mp3
[02:15] <fschoep> cbx33: yes, please
[02:15] <cbx33> ok
[02:15] <cbx33> hang on
[02:16] <cbx33> I'll mail it to you ok?
[02:16] <fschoep> cbx33: yes, thanks
[02:16] <cbx33> done
[02:19] <fschoep> cbx33: I got it - do you have time later on to chat?
[02:19] <cbx33> i have 10 mins now
[02:19] <cbx33> and then possibly some more time in about an hour twenty or so
[02:20] <fschoep> Right let's do this now, then?
[02:20] <cbx33> sure
[02:20] <cbx33> pm?
[02:20] <cbx33> or here
[02:20] <fschoep> PM's better
[02:20] <cbx33> ok
[02:36] <fschoep> Seveas: any luck yet?
[02:37] <Seveas> fschoep, I filed it as bug 64171
[02:37] <fschoep> Seveas: OK, using Malone is probably the best way to go indeed
[02:37] <fschoep> Seveas: did it change like one day ago?
[02:37] <Seveas> no, but I didn't look at usplash for a few days
[02:39] <fschoep> OK, but it shouldn't be changing radically this late in the cycle I think (got disconnect because the battery ran flat).
[02:39] <Seveas> well, the change is a bugfix
[02:40] <Seveas> but it caused this new bug
[02:40] <fschoep> I see
[02:40] <Seveas> and I have no experience whatsovere programming raw libsvga, so I'm at a loss
[02:41] <fschoep> OK, maybe Keybuk can help if he's around and not too busy
[02:44] <Seveas> no, only mjg59 is intimately familiar with that code
[05:23] <cbx33> is frank around?
[06:38] <cbx33> fschoep,
[06:38] <cbx33> can you listen oggs now?
[06:39] <fschoep> cbx33: no Max
[06:39] <fschoep> Mac OS
[06:39] <cbx33> grrr
[06:39] <cbx33> hehe
[06:39] <fschoep> cbx33: I was working on another machine, switched keyboard quickly :)
[06:39] <cbx33> hehe
[06:39] <fschoep> Most of the time (always) when I'm on IRC I'm on Mac OS
[06:39] <cbx33> where is lame now
[06:39] <fschoep> lame.sf.net?
[06:40] <fschoep> You can send me OGGs, I'll upload them to my other machine and listen there
[06:41] <fschoep> cbx33: Oggs will be fine, too
[06:41] <cbx33> s'ok I'll getmp3s
[06:41] <cbx33> lame seems to have vanished from the repos
[06:41] <fschoep> cbx33: did you enable universe / multiverse?
[06:41] <PingunZ> Hey all
[06:41] <cbx33> yes
[06:41] <cbx33> you on dapper?
[06:41] <fschoep> Hi PingunZ
[06:42] <fschoep> cbx33: Breezy :P
[06:42] <fschoep> Kubuntu Breezy
[06:42] <PingunZ> Edgy :)
[06:42] <fschoep> I upgraded from Hoary early this year I think
[06:42] <fschoep> Well, "upgrade" is a nice word for a complete reinstall
[06:43] <cbx33> heheh
[06:43] <PingunZ> fschoep: Why don't you upgrade then ?
[06:43] <fschoep> PingunZ: it all works
[06:43] <cbx33> fschoep, I think you're gonna like it
[06:43] <fschoep> PingunZ: and I now use Mac OS X as my main OS on the Macbook
[06:43] <fschoep> PingunZ: bought an Apple keyboard mouse and connected it to my TFT
[06:43] <fschoep> PingunZ: works perfectly :)
[06:43] <PingunZ> But breezy is ultra slow compared to edgy
[06:43] <fschoep> cbx33: ooh shiny!
[06:44] <fschoep> PingunZ: I've got a fast machine ;)
[06:44] <PingunZ> fschoep: me too
[06:44] <fschoep> PingunZ: and it's K ubuntu
[06:44] <fschoep> PingunZ: I'm not sure, but Kubuntu Breezy feels good
[06:44] <cbx33> shiny?
[06:44] <fschoep> cbx33: yeah, it was an in-joke
[06:44] <fschoep> cbx33: too difficult to explain right now
[06:45] <fschoep> PingunZ: I run Dapper and Edgy under VMware, does that count?
[06:45] <cbx33> heheheh
[06:45] <PingunZ> I run Ubuntu edgy :)
[06:45] <PingunZ> uname[Linux Edgy 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Mon Oct 2 13:44:45 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux]
[06:45] <fschoep> When I test Edgy, I tunnel VMware running on my Kubuntu Breezy via X11 to Mac OS X :0
[06:46] <fschoep> the mind boggles
[06:47] <PingunZ> fschoep: Backup && install edgy :)
[06:47] <fschoep> PingunZ: I should do that once it's released
[06:48] <fschoep> PingunZ: not sure if I get to it though - I'm kind of happy with my current setup and there's nothing I need on top of that
[06:48] <fschoep> PingunZ: maybe I'm getting old
[06:48] <PingunZ> So .. your like running MS95 :D
[06:48] <fschoep> nah :)
[06:48] <PingunZ> I'm on XP :D
[06:48] <fschoep> I've got that too somewhere
[06:48] <PingunZ> I haven't :)
[06:49] <fschoep> I use it for Cubase (ring a bell cbx33)?
[06:49] <PingunZ> Linux-only on this desky
[06:49] <fschoep> PingunZ: Linux, Mac and Windows only on my desk!
[06:49] <PingunZ> rofl
[06:49] <fschoep> PingunZ: I used to noodle around with Solaris, but that's not one of my pastimes anymore
[06:49] <cbx33> yup
[06:49] <PingunZ> At least no bsd or solaris :)
[06:49] <cbx33> ./me didn't like cubase
[06:50] <fschoep> I can understand
[06:50] <fschoep> It's just that Cubase came with my control surface so I used it
[06:50] <fschoep> mixer / control surface I should say
[06:50] <fschoep> It's a small Tascam US-428, maybe you know it
[06:51] <fschoep> cbx33: compiling lame :) ?
[06:52] <cbx33> heheeh
[06:52] <cbx33> I give up
[06:52] <cbx33> http://progbox.co.uk/finals/RC/export2.ogg
[06:53] <fschoep> cbx33: OK hang on
[06:53] <fschoep> cbx33: switching screens now
[06:54] <cbx33> ok
[06:55] <fschoep> cbx33: great
[06:55] <cbx33> yeh?
[06:55] <fschoep> cbx33: it's coming way closer now
[07:24] <PingunZ> cbx33: Can I comment that sound ?
[07:32] <cbx33> PingunZ, sure
[07:32] <PingunZ> Ok .. here I go :)
[07:33] <PingunZ> Well .. there are 2 main things .. 1) The end 2) The semi-climax
[07:33] <PingunZ> 1) The end keeps on going .. like 5 seconds ..
[07:33] <cbx33> wanna shorten it?
[07:33] <PingunZ> Yes :)
[07:33] <PingunZ> Just skip that end :)
[07:33] <cbx33> the semi climax?
[07:34] <PingunZ> The semi climax .. well this is hard to explain for me since I'm not english but I'll try :)
[07:34] <cbx33> ok
[07:34] <PingunZ> So .. you start with a little climax .. A tone .. A higher tone .. and then .. Instead of an even higher tone you repeat nearly the same tone
[07:34] <PingunZ> Got it ? :)
[07:34] <cbx33> i know what you mean
[07:34] <cbx33> I'll work on it
[07:35] <PingunZ> Ok ;)
[07:35] <PingunZ> The last three tones are like the same ..
[07:35] <PingunZ> I'd change one of them into a feller tone :)
[09:08] <cbx33> hey fschoep
[09:08] <cbx33> just gonna rework the sound now
[09:09] <fschoep> cbx33: OK, great
[09:09] <fschoep> cbx33: remember, less is more :-)
[09:09] <cbx33> yup
[09:31] <nysosym> goood evening :)
[09:35] <nysosym> jippi, a new human icon package :D
[09:36] <PingunZ> What's new in it // downloading it too ;)
[09:37] <nysosym> my emblems :D
[09:37] <PingunZ> Oh :)
[09:37] <PingunZ> Nice .. they rock ! :)
[09:37] <PingunZ> The orange or colored ones ?
[09:38] <nysosym> the oranged, but a better consistent with human
[09:38] <nysosym> and thx :)
[09:38] <PingunZ> Orange ones I see :)
[09:38] <PingunZ> Well .. I preferred the colored ones but .. the orange ones still look great
[09:39] <nysosym> thx, a lot of bugfixing is in there ^^
[09:40] <PingunZ> fschoep: Got another job for me ? :)
[09:40] <fschoep> PingunZ: can you create wallpapers/
[09:41] <PingunZ> O_o
[09:41] <PingunZ> Well .. no :)
[09:41] <fschoep> PingunZ: like make some wavy lines
[09:41] <fschoep> OK
[09:41] <fschoep> PingunZ: you're the GDM guy right?
[09:41] <PingunZ> Honestly .. My skills are really bad :)
[09:41] <PingunZ> Yup .
[09:41] <fschoep> PingunZ: can you add PAM message support to all five GDM's we're shipping with Edgy?
[09:41] <fschoep> That includes Blubuntu
[09:42] <fschoep> I'll give you a pointer to what you need to do
[09:42] <PingunZ> Oki
[09:42] <PingunZ> When do I need to finish it ?
[09:42] <fschoep> PingunZ: yesterday?
[09:42] <nysosym> ^^
[09:42] <nysosym> lol
[09:42] <fschoep> PingunZ: no somewhere early next week is good
[09:43] <PingunZ> Oki :)
[09:43] <PingunZ> You mean pam-errors ?
[09:43] <fschoep> PingunZ: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edgy-gdm-themes/+bug/57588
[09:43] <PingunZ> Like caps lock or bad username ?
[09:43] <fschoep> Yep
[09:43] <fschoep> PingunZ: you know "apt-get source" right?
[09:44] <PingunZ> yes I do fschoep :)
[09:44] <fschoep> PingunZ: if you can create some patches against the right packages (edgy-gdm-themes) that'd be nice
[09:45] <PingunZ> So I apt-get source it .. midifie it .. and then I do what ?
[09:45] <PingunZ> *modifie
[09:45] <PingunZ> *modify :)
[09:45] <fschoep> first make a copy of the file you edit
[09:46] <fschoep> then later use "diff -c3 oldfile newfile > patchfile.txt" and send that to me or attach it to the bugreport
[09:46] <PingunZ> Oki :)
[09:47] <fschoep> you should also look in blubuntu-look tropic-look and peace-loog
[09:47] <fschoep> peace-look
[09:47] <PingunZ> the source packages ?
[09:48] <fschoep> yes
[09:48] <PingunZ> Hmm .. apt-cache search blubuntu-look -> None ..
[09:58] <PingunZ> fschoep: Human theme is done
[09:59] <fschoep> PingunZ: both GDMs?
[09:59] <PingunZ> Nowp :)
[09:59] <PingunZ> Just the first one .. needed to check if it worked .. :)
[09:59] <fschoep> Right, well good job already
[09:59] <fschoep> Can you add the patch to the bug report?
[10:02] <PingunZ> fschoep: Humancircle is done too :)
[10:02] <fschoep> PingunZ: right, thanks :0
[10:02] <fschoep> PingunZ: attached to bug report?
[10:04] <PingunZ> fschoep: I was busy making the patch file :)
[10:04] <PingunZ> Gimme a sec ;)
[10:05] <fschoep> OK
[10:05] <PingunZ> fschoep: How do I attach it ? just *attach file * ?
[10:06] <fschoep> PingunZ: at the bottom you can add comments and patchfiles
[10:06] <fschoep> Must be logged in
[10:06] <fschoep> Click "Add a comment/attachment"
[10:06] <PingunZ> Yup :)
[10:06] <fschoep> one file at a time
[10:06] <PingunZ> Found it ;)
[10:06] <PingunZ> Damn .. Should I put it in a tar ?
[10:09] <fschoep> No one patch file per comment
[10:09] <fschoep> just add multiple comments
[10:09] <PingunZ> Added ;)
[10:09] <PingunZ> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edgy-gdm-themes/+bug/57588
[10:09] <PingunZ> brb
[10:22] <PingunZ> fschoep: Tried ?
[10:22] <fschoep> PingunZ: in an audio meeting with cbx33 kinda busy now
[10:22] <PingunZ> Ok ;)
[10:22] <PingunZ> I'll watch some tv then. cya
[10:26] <fschoep> PingunZ: thanks already!
[10:26] <fschoep> PingunZ: thanks
[10:28] <PingunZ> No problem fschoep ;)
[10:31] <fschoep> PingunZ: can you do Blubuntu as well?
[10:31] <fschoep> PingunZ: looking good so far
[10:36] <cbx33> this audio meeting is very interesting ;)
[10:46] <nysosym> cbx33: why? :D
[10:46] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:46] <cbx33> cos I'm playing live to fschoep
[10:46] <cbx33> heheh
[10:47] <PingunZ> fschoep: Put in all in a mail .. I'm going to bed :)
[10:47] <PingunZ> night all
[10:47] <fschoep> PingunZ: ok g\night
[10:47] <fschoep> PingunZ: thanks
[10:47] <nysosym> gn8 my friend :)
[10:47] <PingunZ> ^^
[10:48] <nysosym> hmm with inkscape it's impossible to make smooth gradient on higher resolutions *fail*
[11:09] <nysosym> i will go to ed now
[11:09] <nysosym> good night all
[11:09] <nysosym> :)))
[11:09] <nysosym> i'll hope to see u all later ;)
[11:09] <BHSPitLappy> night
[11:13] <fschoep> Goodnight all


[01:51] <mpontillo> thanks all. I read the workflow on the wiki; one question: when you add the 'patch-needswork' (or any other patch-*) tag, do you remove the 'patch' tag at that point or keep it? Looking in launchpad, I see people doing it both ways
[02:09] <mpontillo> ... also, I'm trying to understand which patches should vs. should not be accepted into Ubuntu. I guess after release, if it's a higher risk item (sync from Debian for a new release) it would go into -backports, and if it's a lower-risk but higher priority (i.e. crash fix) it would go into -updates ...
[02:09] <mpontillo> ... but before release, I'm assuming the general strategy is that serious things that would be -updates make it in, but things that would go into -backports we wait and sync from Debian
[02:47] <nigelb> mpontillo, generally things that go into -updates and -backports need to go into a development version first
[02:47] <nigelb> now, the best thing would be to forward the patches upstream
[02:48] <nigelb> initially when the guide was written we planned to remove the patch tag, but that is messing up with the script that subscribes ubuntu-reviewers to bugs with patches
[02:50] <mpontillo> thanks nigelb; sounds like the 'patch' tag should be left on through the entire process (until the the patch has been rejected or integrated into some release). I can clarify the text on the wiki if you like
[02:51] <nigelb> I know... I wrote it :D
[02:52] <nigelb> so, now you just leave the patch tag in there
[07:47] <nigelb> persia, how much backlogged into mails are you?
[07:47] <persia> 9 days
[07:47] <nigelb> ouch, ok.  I'll not mail
[07:47] <nigelb> well, updates include some pretty graphs (see topic)
[07:48] <nigelb> patch day moved up to wednesday may 5th
[07:48] <nigelb> and I still need to convince brian to make the script understand 'patch*' tags
[09:28] <nigelb> persia, did you see ^
[09:29] <persia> I did.
[09:30] <nigelb> I could use some help with the convincing
[09:30] <persia> Have you tried putting it on the QA team meeting agenda?
[09:30] <nigelb> em, no
[09:31] <persia> It's at a really inconvenient time-of-day, but maybe one of us might be awake for it sometime in the next couple weeks.
[09:31] <persia> If not, perhaps someone else would be willing to present, based on some wiki page clearly stating the position.
[09:34] <nigelb> I asked bryce a few days back
[09:34] <nigelb> he said he'd talk to brian... but really... it would be nice to have the 3 or 4 of us
[09:35] <nigelb> I wish I could be there at uds :(
[09:35] <nigelb> just needs the few active people to come together and sit down and talk
[09:43] <nigelbabu> did I miss something?
[09:45] <nigelbabu> persia, qa team meeting is okay time for me... it generally isn't around 3 hours right?
[10:57] <persia> nigelb: It usually lasts about an hour.  If it's an OK time for you, then please raise it.
[10:57] <persia> nigelb: If it can't be sorted pre-UDS, I'm definitely up for trying to catch the folks involved there.
[10:58] <nigelb> persia, we can try to talk to bdmurrary once before that
[10:58] <persia> At least once :)
[10:58] <nigelb> well, if I can get you, bryce, bdmurray, and jcastro together for 20 minutes it would be extremely productive
[10:59] <nigelb> (these would be the people who are interested in getting the review queue going)
[10:59] <nigelb> also, MOTU should ideally promote review queue as stepping stone to packaging training
[11:00] <persia> I think we have to demonstrate that the review queue works before we can convince MOTU it's the right place to send prospective folk.
[11:00] <persia> And if you don't try to include me in that list, it might be earlier, because the rest of the folks are close timezone-wise.
[11:00] <nigelb> by getting the review queue down to zero?
[11:01] <nigelb> yeah... well.. as many as humanely possible
[11:01] <persia> Well, either down to a non-frightening number, or demonstrate sufficient progress that there is a sane expectation that it will be there soon.
[11:01] <nigelb> well.... I for one think we should be focusing on the subscribed bugs
[11:01] <nigelb> that is a definite way to get things moving
[11:02] <nigelb> but just one person working on things isn't going to create magic overnight :(
[11:02] <persia> It's not just one person though, is it?
[11:02] <nigelb> well <10
[11:02] <persia> That's a number I'll believe.
[11:03] <persia> MOTU started with about 3 folks: it's just a matter of docs and publicity.
[11:03] <nigelb> Oh!
[11:03] <nigelb> In that case, I guess we still have hope
[11:04] <persia> Absolutely.  My expectation is that the reviewers team will reach a state of being a first-class participant in the basic workflows sometime around November.
[11:05] <nigelb> did you sign up for being a contact on patch day?
[11:05] <persia> Doesn't mean that we don't have a lot to do now, but it always takes a while to get from a few interested folks to somewhere else: basically we have to demonstrate that we do enough to be worth consulting when other folks are doing stuff.
[11:05] <nigelb> yes, i.e., as established reviewers
[11:05] <persia> I didn't yet.  I'll take a bunch of the slots that are left open at the end: I'm flexible and in an unpopular timezone.
[11:05] <persia> Right.
[11:06]  * vish always wondered what timezone persia was in :)
[11:06] <nigelb> vish, jp
[11:06] <vish> ah..
[11:06] <nigelb> that's why he's always around when we're around
[11:07] <vish> hehe , i was thinking he was at the other end , alaska or somewhere ;)
[11:07] <nigelb> persia, I wanted an established reviewers team member to start off patch day
[11:08] <persia> I'm only 3:30 offset from there most of the time.
[11:08] <persia> nigelb: Your local time at day-start is 15:30, right?
[11:08] <persia> Is that bad for you?
[11:09] <nigelb> yep.. I'll be at work
[11:10] <persia> Maybe nhandler or bdmurray can start.  If not, I will.
[11:10] <nigelb> I'll try to catch bdmurray
[11:10] <nigelb> will you be up around the time he's waking up?
[11:10] <nigelb> today i.e.
[11:10] <persia> Maybe.  The other side of the day works better for that combination, but is bad for you :)
[11:11] <nigelb> set a time...
[11:11] <nigelb> I'll go to bed early if need me
[11:11] <nigelb> be
[11:12] <persia> I think he's usually around something like 15:00 to 28:00 or so.  I'm usually around 0:00 to 16:00 or so.
[11:13] <nigelb> UTC?
[11:13] <persia> Yeah.
[11:13] <nigelb> so 23:00 UTC sounds fine?
[11:14]  * nigelb gulps ... 3:30 am
[11:14] <nigelb> still.... it would be very productive I guess
[11:14] <persia> I'm not sure it would be that productive.  I'm not that diurnal, so maybe better to schedule something for a day I'm around later.
[11:14] <persia> Tuesday or Thursdays are often good candidates.
[11:15] <nigelb> Tuesday is meeting horror day
[11:15] <nigelb> everyone is bound to be busy
[11:15] <persia> Well, there's no QA meeting, and that's what keeps me around until 17:00 or 18:00 most weeks.
[11:16] <nigelb> so tomorrow at 23:00 seems better?
[11:16] <persia> Why 23:00?
[11:17] <nigelb> 17:00?
[11:17] <persia> tomorrow at 16:00 ought be fine.
[11:17] <persia> Or 17:00.
[11:17] <persia> But I don't know that I'll be up that late tonight.
[11:17] <nigelb> that time is fine with me too
[11:17] <nigelb> so tomorrow it is
[11:17] <persia> Thought so :)
[11:20] <nigelb> information that needs to be added to reviewers team wiki?
[11:20] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/KnowledgeBase
[11:20] <nigelb> I can't think of any
[11:26] <persia> There's work needing doing to better integrate stuff (especially the simple patch/debdiff stuff), and it needs a pointer to the workflow, but yeah, otherwise seems complete.
[11:26] <persia> Personally, I'd rather see it organised in terms of activities, but that will come with time and practice doing stuff.
[11:26] <nigelb> I was thinking of having a how to generate patches from svn and git but that seemed too much
[11:27] <persia> For us, yeah.
[11:27] <persia> I think it's worth having that documentation in general though.
[11:27] <persia> But I think it's more valuable for MOTU docs.
[11:27] <nigelb> it would be appropriate for us to have it as we're the people upstreaming patches
[11:28] <persia> Good point.
[11:28] <persia> Although I think that the docs would be slightly different for the different audiences.
[11:28] <nigelb> yes. definitely.
[11:29] <persia> THe base stuff is the same, but the HOWTO differs between case A: someone has a patch and wants to apply to upstream, and generate something to send for review vs. case B: someone knows a fix is upstream and wants to cherrypick to generate a debdiff.
[11:30] <nigelb> exactly
[11:31] <nigelb> which means the wording might get a lile tricky
[11:32] <persia> Or maybe it involves three documents.  One is "How to use the tool", and two are example workflows using the tools.
[11:32] <persia> Then the dev pages *and* the reviewers pages can reference it.
[11:32] <nigelb> or one "how to tool" and we'll link it up differently in 2 pages
[11:33] <persia> with inclusion.  That works.
[11:34] <nigelb> yep.  inclusion is what I thought too
[12:10] <nhandler> persia: I can only do a 15:30 on a Sunday sadly
[12:12] <persia> nhandler: No worries.
[13:03] <nigelb> I'm holding off on creating page on git and svn how-to
[13:04] <nigelb> each upstream might have different policies and I need to go through the bigger ones at least
[13:52] <nhandler> nigelb: Instead, why not try and link to (or ask upstream to create) those guides ?
[13:52] <nhandler> They will be more accurate and better maintained, and more people can benefit from them
[13:52] <nigelb> when I submitted code upstream, generally, i had to look for generic guides and teak them
[13:55] <nigelb> like look for a generic guide to submitting patches in git and then looking at upstream style guides
[22:19] <nhandler> nigelb: Which is why you should ask the upstream that uses git to update their guides to include enough basic info about git for beginners to contribute
[22:20] <nhandler> nigelb: Also, what is Debian/QADelta ? Is it meant to list the reasons for diverging from Debian?