[04:20] <ahoneybun> hello all
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <mihir> anybody need Inbox invite let me know i got few :)
[08:42] <mzanetti> dpm: is there a reason we're using only "com.ubuntu.reminders" and not "com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders" as appid?
[08:44] <dpm> hi mzanetti, not particularly, no. I think it had the _reminders at some point, and it was removed to work around some issue I can't quite remember. I think it should be ok to re-add it now
[08:44] <mzanetti> ok
[08:45] <mzanetti> dpm: probably something with the multiple apps in our click
[08:46] <dpm> yeah, I can't quite remember
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Entrepreneurship Day! :-D
[09:42] <kalikiana> hmmm lately system settings keeps freezing and not responding anymore
[09:42] <kalikiana> it seems related to updates
[09:43] <kalikiana> (just thinking out loud here since I don't really know what is happening there)
[11:27] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi
[11:28] <mzanetti> hi mivoligo
[11:30] <mivoligo> mzanetti: as I'm doing underwater backgrounds now I was thinking about giving up on another 5 levels in some different theme and instead do one more for each theme we have
[11:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I liked the fact that we had one row per level set in the level selector
[11:31] <mzanetti> mivoligo: but I can't force you to paint yet another theme
[11:31] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I was thinking about that and we may do 6 levels on one page in level selection
[11:33] <mivoligo> mzanetti: 2 rows with 3 bigger icons than we have now
[11:33] <mzanetti> oh, I see
[11:33] <mzanetti> so each page would have another theme
[11:33] <mzanetti> sounds good
[11:33] <mivoligo> yep
[11:33] <mzanetti> we'd have 5 pages with 6 levels each
[11:33] <mzanetti> yeah, works for me I guess
[11:34] <mivoligo> great :)
[11:34] <popey> you guys gonna make this a paid game? ☻
[11:34] <popey> you're putting quite a bit of work into it!
[11:34] <mzanetti> indeed
[11:35] <mzanetti> hmm... might be worth considering :D
[11:35] <mivoligo> popey: mzanetti is my hero, so I'm doing that mostly for him ;)
[11:35] <popey> awwwww
[11:35] <popey> you guys
[11:35] <mzanetti> lol
[11:35] <popey> (get a room)
[11:36] <mivoligo> seriously though, it really takes a ton of time
[11:36] <mzanetti> yeah
[11:37] <mzanetti> I guess I've only spend more time on xbmcremote so far
[11:37] <mzanetti> spent
[11:37] <mzanetti> oh well, reminders is pretty time consuming too
[11:38] <mzanetti> the others are pretty much in the range of 5 evenings
[11:39] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I'd tell you how much time I spent on the game but you wouldn't believe me :D
[11:39] <mzanetti> :(
[11:39] <mzanetti> I do
[11:39] <mzanetti> If I imagine I would have to paint all this...
[11:39] <mzanetti> mivoligo: but we're really close now
[11:39] <mivoligo> let me check zeegaree
[11:40]  * mzanetti is not sure he wants to know :D
[11:40] <mzanetti> we can try to monetize it somehow
[11:40] <mzanetti> but if I think about ads popping up between levels I start feeling sick
[11:41] <mivoligo> about 150 work units documented :D
[11:41] <mzanetti> and a work unit is between 1 hour ad 6 hours I guess
[11:41] <mivoligo> fortunately not as much, about 25 minutes
[11:41] <mzanetti> ah ok
[11:42] <mzanetti> that makes ~80 hours
[11:42] <mzanetti> I guess I've spent a bit more on it by now
[11:42] <mivoligo> good to hear that :)
[11:43]  * kalikiana would be curious what the first monetized game looks like
[11:43] <kalikiana> maybe system76 ads? :-D
[11:44] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I was afraid you magically produce the game code in no time :D
[11:44] <mzanetti> kalikiana: lol
[11:45] <mzanetti> mivoligo: I wish. It wasn't too much in the beginning, but then you came up with all those cool ideas about the different shots, animations, behaviors and everything
[11:45] <mzanetti> and suddenly it turned into real work :D
[11:45] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hehe
[11:46] <mzanetti> still enjoy it though. although I've been really busy with reminders the last weeks
[11:47] <mivoligo> mzanetti: I think underground theme will be nicest so far but svg will be few MB each :P
[11:48] <mzanetti> mivoligo: underground or underwater?
[11:48] <mivoligo> mzanetti: sorry, underwater
[11:49] <mzanetti> I'm soo looking forward to that one :)
[11:49] <mivoligo> mzanetti: one more idea before I go shopping
[11:49] <mzanetti> my gf asked me about it a few days ago, when I showed her the city levels (which I really love btw)
[11:50] <mivoligo> mzanetti: can we do zoom animation at the level start. From the whole board view to playable area?
[11:50] <mzanetti> mivoligo: yep, great idea
[11:51] <mivoligo> mzanetti: that way a user will have some imagination what it is what she's looking at
[11:51] <mzanetti> yeah, definitely +1 from me
[11:52] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ok, I'm afk now. Hope to finish the levels in this week
[11:52] <mzanetti> awesome :)
[11:53] <mivoligo> mzanetti: :) see you arround
[12:01] <mzanetti> o/
[12:33] <nik90_> dpm: hey, tsdgeos provided a possible solution to yesterday's MP. However we need to test if it works by first merging to trunk. Shall we merge https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/fix-translation-string/+merge/241980 ?
[12:35] <mzanetti> kalikiana: heh, I bet that was because of Jussi's mail
[12:37] <kalikiana> mzanetti: love at first sight ;-)
[12:43] <popey> nik90_: possible clock bug. have no alarms, set one for every day in a few mins time, wait for it to go of, then go back to clock and it says "No active alarms" yet there's clearly a repeating one when you swipe up...
[12:43] <popey> nik90_: so should say "Next alarm in 1d" or somesuch.
[12:44] <nik90_> popey: yeah, the issue there is that the clock app needs to refresh the alarm model when an alarm goes of..but there isn't a method to call in the alarms api
[12:44] <nik90_> so it is still looking at the old data
[12:45] <popey> nik90_: do we have a bug for it?
[12:45] <popey> pmcgowan: ^
[12:46] <nik90_> popey: yeah I reported the bug but it wasn't considered critical
[12:46] <nik90_> let me find the bug
[12:46] <nik90_> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1380559
[12:48] <popey> pmcgowan: seems bzoltan set in progress a month back..
[12:48] <popey> thanks nik90_
[12:49] <dpm> nik90_, reviewed and commented, thanks!
[12:49] <nik90_> dpm: let's see if launchpad recognizes that gettext comment
[12:50] <nik90_> thnx for the review
[12:57] <nik90_> dpm: tsdgeos approved it. Shall I top-approve?
[12:57] <bzoltan> popey: nik90_: pmcgowan: I have my eyes on that bug, but sadly it does not have the tags on it what could pull it up on the top of the higher priority bugs.
[12:58] <pmcgowan> bzoltan, it does now :)
[12:58] <pmcgowan> or will soon
[12:59] <bzoltan> pmcgowan: thank you :)
[12:59] <nik90_> yay
[13:00] <nik90_> popey: this will require a fix to land in the clock app as well, to make use of the refresh() function when an alarm has gone off.
[13:01] <popey> ok
[13:02] <bzoltan> pmcgowan: popey: nik90_: note that this bug actually has a fix what consists of two seprate MRs, these MRs need to be reviewed and integrated.
[13:02] <nik90_> bzoltan: 2 MRs?
[13:03] <bzoltan> nik90_: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/expose-alarmmodel-reset/+merge/238802
[13:03] <bzoltan> nik90_: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/alarm-data-adaptation/+merge/237611
[13:04] <nik90_> bzoltan: hmm, the 2nd MP is a massive code change though
[13:04] <bzoltan> nik90_: yes,  it is not a light one
[13:11] <bzoltan> nik90_:  but I just agreed with zsombi that this issue is th enext in queue
[13:12] <nik90_> bzoltan: cool,
[13:12] <zsombi> nik90_: so, I'll bother you allot for testing :)
[13:12] <zsombi> nik90_: perhaps we'll have to touch teh app :/
[13:13] <nik90_> zsombi: touch the app? I realise this would require some subtle code changes in the clock app
[13:14] <zsombi> nik90_: yes... the async update might suffer updates, but I'll let U know if we have to
[13:15] <nik90_> zsombi: ok
[13:19] <zsombi> kalikiana: no API change!!... seems the API checker doesn't see it
[13:21] <kalikiana> zsombi: there is. you no longer have the signal in the subclass
[13:21] <zsombi> kalikiana: make check passed teh API check...
[13:21] <kalikiana> zsombi: !?
[13:21] <kalikiana> I saw it fail
[13:21] <zsombi> kalikiana: so where would I have it then?
[13:21] <zsombi> heh?
[13:22] <kalikiana> zsombi: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-sdk-team-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-staging-utopic-armhf-ci/1060/console
[13:23] <zsombi> kalikiana: I see it... wth??!
[13:23] <zsombi> kalikiana: then why make check pass????
[13:24] <kalikiana> hmmm
[13:24] <kalikiana> well, you see that it fails there. not sure why it would pass for you
[13:26] <zsombi> zbenjamin: kalikiana: t1mp: did anyone of you change the make check recently?
[13:26] <zsombi> the API check used to be executed before the tst_alarm...
[13:28] <kalikiana> zsombi: in my clean-up branch I moved it up into the tests.pro because it was wrongly executed twice before
[13:29] <kalikiana> so it was actually run for unit and again for unit_x11 before
[13:29] <zsombi> kalikiana: do we have a way to execute that script separately?
[13:30] <kalikiana> zsombi: sure. just do ./tests/qmlapicheck.sh .
[13:30] <zsombi> kalikiana: like tests/qmlapicheck.sh used to work previously
[13:30] <kalikiana> (the argument is new, so cmake can use a different build folder)
[13:30] <zsombi> kalikiana: but it got broken at some point...
[13:31] <kalikiana> I guess we could add a default of some sort for the build folder if the argument is too annoying
[13:31] <kalikiana> just for cmake it can be any folder
[13:31] <zsombi> kalikiana: ah, right! thx!!
[13:31] <kalikiana> (come to think of it… zbenjamin, what's with the cmake branch? :-P)
[13:32] <zsombi> I can see the signals missing now... but tbh, why there were two signals there??
[13:34] <zsombi> kalikiana: the branch is up to date
[13:34] <kalikiana> that I don't know… ask the qt type system :-P
[13:34] <kalikiana> cool, checking
[13:34] <zsombi> nik90_: bzoltan: now, Alarm MRs!
[13:35] <kalikiana> zsombi: niiice
[13:35] <zsombi> :P
[13:37] <kalikiana> also, I'll have a present for you in a minute. I'm sure you'll like it
[13:40] <zbenjamin> kalikiana: the cmake branch is sitting around atm... i need to sync with trunk again
[13:42] <kalikiana> zbenjamin: I see it every time I make a merge request, teasing me :-P
[13:42] <kalikiana> zsombi: check this out https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/runUnitTestsWithLauncher/+merge/242073
[13:42] <kalikiana> idea taken from unity8
[13:44] <zsombi> kalikiana: ok... I am a bit tired but I don't see the point...
[13:45] <kalikiana> zsombi: try running qmlscene tst_dialer.qml :-)
[13:45] <kalikiana> you'll notice it doesn't work
[13:45] <zsombi> kalikiana: ah!
[13:46] <kalikiana> I was looking for a way around this to figure out the failures in the cursor branch
[13:46] <zsombi> oh, super cool!!!!!
[13:46] <zsombi> kalikiana: U made my day!!!
[13:46] <kalikiana> so now I can see the same things the test can see
[13:46] <kalikiana> zsombi: :-D
[13:46] <zsombi> kalikiana: I woke up @4am...
[13:46] <kalikiana> oh
[13:46] <kalikiana> I see why you're tired
[13:47] <kalikiana> you feel like leo when he used to attend out meetings I bet :-D
[13:47] <kalikiana> *our
[13:48] <zsombi> yeah... Iand I'll have an app rotation meeting in 10 mins...
[13:48] <kalikiana> :-|
[13:49] <zsombi> which reminds me to get a cup of tee
[13:54] <zsombi> kalikiana: this MR is a super cool one!!! dude, I just love it!!!!
[13:56] <kalikiana> zsombi: I found one little thing to add there, don't h it yet, please
[13:56] <kalikiana> it doesn't handle windowShown
[13:56] <zsombi> kalikiana: ouh, just did
[13:56] <kalikiana> so it can give an annoying warning message
[13:56] <kalikiana> oh well, if it goes on I'll make another one :-P
[13:56] <zsombi> kalikiana: just rolled back
[13:57] <zsombi> kalikiana: anyway autolanding will take it only after CI ends its job
[13:57] <kalikiana> zsombi: rolled back like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[13:58] <kalikiana> hmmm I wonder if I could actually have some kind of test case for this new feature
[13:58] <kalikiana> maybe a simple ap test that aborts if it warns
[14:08] <dpm> davidcalle, mhall119, could we add a tutorials section to http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/, so that we can publish http://developer.ubuntu.com/web/web-app-tutorial/ under it?
[14:08] <dpm> I just realized that the tutorial is not linked to anywhere on the site
[14:11] <davidcalle> dpm, it is, in the left menu :p But sure, doing that in a moment.
[14:12] <dpm> davidcalle, oh, I see it now, I was just trying to find the tutorials tab
[14:13] <beuno> jdstrand, dholbach, review scripts rolled out
[14:13] <dholbach> beuno, rock on
[14:16] <jdstrand> beuno: thanks!
[14:28] <mhall119> dpm: that's fine by me
[16:21] <zsombi> nik90_: dude
[16:21] <zsombi> nik90_: can you run the clock app locally?
[16:21] <zsombi> nik90_: on desktop I mean?
[16:22] <nik90_> zsombi: 14.10?
[16:22] <zsombi> nik90_: yes
[16:23] <nik90_> zsombi: yeah
[16:23] <zsombi> The crashed program seems to use third-party or local libraries:
[16:23] <zsombi> /mnt/hgfs/work/core-apps/build-ubuntu-clock-app-Desktop-Default/backend/GeoLocation/libgeolocation.so
[16:23] <zsombi> /mnt/hgfs/work/core-apps/build-ubuntu-clock-app-Desktop-Default/backend/Timezone/libtimezone.so
[16:23] <zsombi> /mnt/hgfs/work/core-apps/build-ubuntu-clock-app-Desktop-Default/backend/DateTime/libdatetime.so
[16:23] <zsombi> nik90_: I get this:
[16:23] <nik90_> zsombi: how did you run it?
[16:23] <zsombi> nik90_: from QtC
[16:23] <nik90_> you need to pass the libraries while running qmlscene
[16:24] <zsombi> nik90_: ehh...
[16:24] <zsombi> nik90_: how you run it from QtC?
[16:24] <nik90_> zsombi: hmm, I am running 14.10 on lxc, and I can open it via Qtc by just pressing the green button
[16:25] <zsombi> nik90_: same did here, opened the cmake project, built, and tried running it...
[16:26] <nik90_> zsombi: let me update my system and try it
[16:27] <zsombi> nik90_: do you remember what was the issue with the branch? I cannot find any logs in the branch, but remember you saw an issue with...
[16:28] <nik90_> zsombi: I vaguely remember that I wasn't able to disable alarms.
[16:29] <zsombi> nik90_: yeah... and for that I need to get your app running on desktop :(
[16:30] <nik90_> zsombi: can you run via qmlscene
[16:31]  * t1mp break, bbl
[16:31] <nik90_> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-clock-app
[16:31] <nik90_> cd ubuntu-clock-app
[16:31] <nik90_> mkdir builddir && cd builddir
[16:31] <nik90_> cmake .. && make
[16:31] <nik90_> qmlscene ../app/ubuntu-clock-app.qml -I backend/
[16:31] <t1mp> wrong channel :)
[16:32] <zsombi> nik90_: uhh...
[16:32] <zsombi> nik90_: QtC places all the crap in an upper folder...
[16:34] <nik90_> strange
[16:35] <zsombi> nik90_: ok, did it like that, core dumped, cannot find module configuration file
[16:37] <zsombi> nik90_: huh? Ubuntu Platform API sais that to me!
[16:38] <nik90_> QGeoclueMaster error creating GeoclueMasterClient.
[16:38] <nik90_> Geoclue error: The name org.freedesktop.Geoclue.Master was not provided by any .service files
[16:38] <nik90_> That's the only warning message that I get
[16:38] <nik90_> for some reason my lxc container broke :/ I don't have 14.10 for now.
[16:41]  * nik90_ brb
[17:19] <mihir> hey popey
[17:22] <mihir> hey nik90_ you got some time for testing MPs ?
[18:26] <taiebot> Hi guys i am hitting bugs with the new music app. New music app does not seem to show songs in album view properly. I do not know why but there is one song which is showing in the wrong album. And all the various artists albums do not have any song in them. Does anyone notice the same?
[18:27] <ahayzen> taiebot, sounds possible the way various artists/albums works with mediascanner2 is a bit fuggerly at the moment
[18:28] <ahayzen> taiebot, what happens if you go Artist->Album->Song does that have the same result? (just so i can compare)
[18:28] <taiebot> Do you want a bug for this?
[18:28] <taiebot> It is the same zero songs. while they are displayed in songs
[18:28] <ahayzen> taiebot, maybe let me check there isn't something already
[18:30] <ahayzen> taiebot, bug 1377510 ?
[18:30] <ahayzen> ...but i thought we tweaked this
[18:33] <taiebot> Mmmh its not really the same. Now various artists albums have a different category with a "weird" icon. And if you go to the album view it says 0 songs. In the artist view you can though launch the music while not in the album view as there is 0 songs
[18:33] <ahayzen> ugh :/ taiebot are you able to take some screenshots so i can see what has happened?
[18:34] <taiebot> No probs.
[18:36] <taiebot> Ok various artist view http://tinyurl.com/oqqtlgc here i can launch music and here the view inside the albums http://tinyurl.com/olwoj4u the three albums in the various artist view do not have songs in them so i suppose its related to this.
[18:37] <ahayzen> interesting
[18:38] <taiebot> New bug?
[18:38] <taiebot> Someone should confirm though..
[18:38] <ahayzen> taiebot, probably if you could attach your database file, screenshots
[18:39] <taiebot> whats the path of the database location?
[18:39] <ahayzen> taiebot, the database file is at .... ~/.local/share/com.ubuntu.music/Databases/
[18:40] <ahayzen> taiebot, you'll probably just want to zip up that folder as there can be multiple
[18:41] <ahayzen> taiebot, also the files affected would you be able to detail what the album/artist is from nautilus/something on the desktop as well (just to check)
[18:43] <taiebot> Sorry would like the path of the albums which are affected?
[18:44] <ahayzen> taiebot, no i was just thinking if the actual files which *should* be appearing if knowing what nautilus thinks the artist/album of them is would help
[18:44] <ahayzen> taiebot, ah damn even the database file won't give you much as nothing is in there anymore :/
[18:44] <taiebot> They do appear in songs so they are correctly recognised.
[18:44] <ahayzen> yeah but it is the filtering that is failing
[18:47] <ahayzen> taiebot, maybe attaching one of the actual music files which should be appearing to the bug may help
[18:47] <taiebot> No problem
[18:47] <ahayzen> taiebot, as then we can put it on our device :)
[18:48] <taiebot> Will give you some nice jazz then..
[18:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, victor thinks that bug 1377510 could be related but you can do a separate bug for now and we'll merge them if needed
[18:49] <taiebot> Yeah the tittle look quite the same
[18:49] <taiebot> I could maybe add a file on the bug
[18:50] <ahayzen> taiebot, which ever you feel is more appropriate
[18:51] <ahayzen> taiebot, separate bug or extending the current is fine by me...a separate bug may be slightly better as we aren't sure if it is the same issue
[18:51] <taiebot> Would still one file show as various artist?
[18:51] <ahayzen> should do
[18:52] <ahayzen> as it is the actual artist metadata that says "various artist" IIRC
[18:52] <ahayzen> unless ms2 is being cleaver..
[19:01] <taiebot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1393907
[19:02] <ahayzen> taiebot, thanks i'll let you know if we need another file from the same album...
[19:02] <ahayzen> taiebot, or maybe you should just attach one anyway
[19:02] <ahayzen> taiebot, i'll check it out tonight or victor will get to it before me lol
[19:03] <taiebot> Should that kind of bug be private as there is Copyrighted material on it ?
[19:04] <ahayzen> taiebot, eh we've done it before... but maybe? popey ^^ what should we do about attaching copyrighted material to lp bugs?
[19:05] <popey> we don't, generally
[19:06] <ahayzen> heh a few of our bugs have a few mp3s etc on them
[19:06] <ahayzen> popey, should we just remove the attachments once the bug is confirmed or something? or should we not do it in the first place?
[19:07] <popey> ideally not do it in the first place.
[19:07] <ahayzen> ok :/
[19:07] <popey> it puts us at risk of lawyers being all lawyery
[19:07] <ahayzen> heh
[19:07] <popey> I can't stop people privately sharing files though
[19:07] <ahayzen> good point
[19:08] <ahayzen> taiebot, maybe it is best if you email me and victor with 2 of the files from the album
[19:08] <ahayzen> taiebot, and then remove them from the bug
[19:08] <taiebot> They are on the bug i can live them for an hour and delete them
[19:09] <ahayzen> taiebot, cool i'll download them and delete them after :)
[19:09] <taiebot> sorry leave them
[19:10] <ahayzen> taiebot, i've got them ... i'm not sure if i can delete someone elses attachments so you may have todo that
[19:10] <ahayzen> taiebot, oh no i've found it
[19:12] <ahayzen> taiebot, done thanks :) one of us will get round to that tonight hopefully


[06:37] <andol> Greetings
[06:39] <andol> Wondering if someone could help me remove my Ubuntu cloak? Haven't really been doing much contribution lately, so feels a little bit odd "wearing" it.
[06:41] <elky> andol: staff here might notice, or you can keep an eye on /stats p and ask one who shows up there
[06:51] <andol> elky: Will do, thanks.
[10:51] <Fuchs> andol: unaffiliated instead?
[13:25] <andol> Fuchs: I figured simply cloakless, unless I'm missunderstanding something?
[16:25] <syntaxic> hi
[16:26] <Fuchs> andol: I can do cloakless or I can give you unaffiliated, hence me asking what you prefer
[16:45] <andol> Fuchs: Got it :) Please make me cloakless.
[16:51] <Fuchs> as you wish
[16:51] <Fuchs> andol: cloak removed
[16:52] <Fuchs> andol: hoping to see you in another project soon, then :)
[16:53] <andol> Thanks!
[16:54] <Fuchs> elky: ^^^  in case of you people keeping record of that somewhere
[17:02] <Unit193> Fuchs: Already taken care of. :)
[17:02] <Fuchs> great


[16:03] <Guest9244> Hi i was wondering why the marketing material (poster flyers) found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Materials are so out of date? they contain dead links and old information and dead links to things that no longer exist like spreadubuntu and shipit


[06:45] <Mister_Q> ^ is messing around with / topic
[06:57] <dholbach> hiya
[06:57] <dholbach> can somebody please join #ubuntu-devel?
[06:57] <dholbach> and take care of the spammer in there?
[06:58] <dholbach> !irc-council
[06:58] <dholbach> hum... I thought there was a ping alias or something
[06:59] <k1l> needs someone from "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-devel list" list to do that
[08:24] <Flannel> niko: Can you please give pavlushka an ubuntu/member/ cloak?  Thanks. https://launchpad.net/~pavelsayekat
[08:27] <pavlushka> o/
[08:32] <niko> pavlushka: congrats !
[08:33] <Flannel> thanks niko


[11:44] <sagaci> i've come across a few select packages which are sharing translations, ie. mailman <-> ubuntu oneiric and smart package manager <-> ubuntu oneiric, I'm guessing it doesn't matter which one I translate since they'll both benefit...?


[11:57] <sidi> cjwatson, was it you who helped me out multiple times with PPA packaging issues?
[11:58] <cjwatson> I don't know, maybe?
[11:59] <sidi> I think it was you. It was in 2015 though. Finally got round to submitting the paper I was working on and I want to make sure I put the name of the person who helped me in the acknowledgements, but I'll be damned if I can remember who it was.
[12:02] <cjwatson> sidi: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/07/%23launchpad.html - that kind of thing?
[12:03] <sidi> yup. it was you
[12:03] <sidi> cjwatson ^


[17:31] <teledyn[m]> I got deep trouble after upgrading to 23.04, on the HP laptop, everything was fine, upgraded with no issues, but on my main machine, a ZaReason Strata notebook, it gets to the UbuntuStudio logo, and then flips to a text screen with a cursor that flashes a few times, then locks, no keys work, not even ctrl-alt-... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ecb717f25d3b257a7e61728a233cfc7f8389d248>)
[17:32] <teledyn[m]> oh! I see matrix has it's own ideas about text formatting :D
[18:25] <Eickmeyer> teledyn[m]: lightdm? Why are you running lightdm on 23.04?
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, you might try asking in #ubuntu:libera.chat for support on this, I feel as though you're outside Ubuntu Studio territory.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Especially if you've upgraded from 20.04 onwards which is not supported.
[18:30] <Eickmeyer> By that I mean in-place upgraded.
[21:33] <teledyn[m]> ok, but I'd like to understand this part better: "Especially if you've upgraded from 20.04 onwards" because wasn't it around then that core things in UbuntuStudio diverged from the main? So 20.04 was the LAST UbuntuStudio?  But long story short, I've traced it down to problems with the NVidia 390 driver, reverting to nouveau doesn't solve the problem, but it at least lets me into my machine.
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> teledyn[m]: Ubuntu Studio 20.04 was the last one on Xfce, so we don't support in-place upgrades from that one going forward. If you did so despite our advice in the release notes, you're on your own.
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> Simply because the DE packages can interfere.
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> Please see the website ubuntustudio.org for the past 3 years for more details.


[00:57] <spiv> Good morning.
[00:59] <lifeless> allo allo
[02:33] <poolie> hi spiv
[02:34] <lifeless> hi poolie
[03:24] <lifeless> anyone know, can you do keyword lambdas in python 2.4?
[03:26] <lifeless> by which I mean
[03:26] <lifeless> lambda foo=bar:quux
[03:28] <thumper> lifeless: I've never seen that before
[03:28] <lifeless> thumper: :)
[03:28] <lifeless> thumper: I'd never had cause to do it before today.
[03:28] <thumper> lifeless: what are you trying to do?
[03:28] <lifeless> it Just Worked in python 2.6
[03:29] <lifeless> thumper: theres an interface which is (now) called with keyword parameters, that a test stubbed out with a lambda.
[03:30] <thumper> ah
[03:31] <parthm> lifeless: seems to work on 2.4 http://pastebin.com/k4X1x8pE
[03:31] <lifeless> parthm: thanks!
[03:32] <spiv> You've been able to do that with lambda since approximately forever.
[03:32] <spiv> It was particularly useful back when Python didn't have nested scopes.
[03:32] <lifeless> cool
[03:33] <poolie> hi there spiv
[03:35] <spiv> Hey poolie
[03:36] <poolie> hi spiv
[03:36] <poolie> do you have any particular thoughts on bug 582157?
[03:36] <lifeless> spiv: http://pastebin.com/fqiwpZ7S
[03:39] <spiv> poolie: I like your remarks about the two parts of the problem
[03:40] <poolie> :)
[03:40] <poolie> i was hoping you'd say i was obviously wrong and there was an easy fix :)
[03:41] <lifeless> everyone.move_to(ireland)
[03:42] <spiv> Heh.
[03:42] <lifeless> spiv: I'm not entirely sure why the is None check is needed; pqm failed two calls to stat() with it though
[03:42] <lifeless> bah
[03:42] <lifeless> 'bzr st'
[03:43] <poolie> or the IoM, 10% tax and low ping time :)
[03:44] <lifeless> spiv: or possibly I'm misreading the trace; trace shadowing a top level import is a bit annoying.
[03:44] <lifeless> Hmm, maybe we should fix that
[03:46] <spiv> poolie: so how close are we to finding that SSH is the limiting factor?
[03:47] <poolie> good question
[03:47] <poolie> we know that https from chinstrap is not much faster
[03:47] <poolie> it would be nice to try plain tcp with no encryption
[03:47] <spiv> And SSH with no encryption, perhaps.
[03:48] <poolie> if it is something at the encryption level it might be either encryption cpu overhead or added latency or windowing effect
[03:55] <poolie> mm that could be good
[03:55] <poolie> spiv, what are you up to next?
[03:58] <spiv> Firing off a merge request, then lunch ;)  Then https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/551525, then maybe https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/522637
[03:58] <lifeless> spiv: no comment on my pastebin ?
[03:58] <poolie> that would be nice
[03:59] <poolie> bug oh especially the latter, but both would be great
[04:00] <spiv> lifeless: the test change seems fine, there's an incomplete sentence in the docstring change, and I lack enough context to judge if that's sane and obviously correct, or nonsense ;)
[04:01] <poolie> i'm going to try Maverick on my desktop to give feedback on some kernel bugs i hit on the new mb
[04:01] <spiv> Hmm, SSH with no encryption seems hard with modern versions of SSH.  Oh well.
[04:01] <poolie> i may try ssh without encryption
[04:01] <poolie> istm the next thing is plain tcp
[04:01] <poolie> this might require sysadmin help
[04:02] <lifeless> spiv: yes
[04:02] <spiv> You could try SSH with a supposedly faster cipher at least, like blowfish.
[04:02] <lifeless> spiv: the doctstring is winging its way up, I'll iterate on it sometime this week.
[04:02] <lifeless> spiv: its only missing a single bracket.
[04:03] <spiv> That's ok, the original sentence was arguably missing a comma ;)
[04:04] <lifeless> I'd like --lsprof-file
[04:04] <lifeless> to tell the smart server to lsprof the request (and lock out other threads yada yada)
[04:05] <lifeless> and attach the callgrind format data as another part of the response.
[04:06] <poolie> ! :)
[07:12] <AfC1> Strangest thing just happened. Doing bzr push bzr+ssh:/// to a server where we don't have RSA keys and so have to type the password on console,
[07:12] <AfC1> suddenly a GTK dialog popped up asking for the target user@host's password.
[07:12] <AfC1> WTF?
[07:13] <AfC> Was that Bazaar trying to be helpful, or something else $known trying to be helpful, or a "problem"?
[07:13] <lifeless> something else probably
[07:13] <lifeless> new ubuntu version ?
[07:13] <AfC> lifeless: Lucid
[07:13] <AfC> both sides
[07:15] <AfC> It was reminiscent of the Subversion credential caching behaviour, but I wasn't expecting Bazaar to do that at all, and especially not for an SSH login password.
[07:16] <AfC> And not I can't duplicate it. If I can't figure it out, I may have to judge that the box got owned
[07:16] <lifeless> there is a gtk UI for ssh keychains
[07:16] <lifeless> its part of the gnome stack
[07:17] <AfC> Hm
[07:17] <AfC> It was just really anonymous looking. Didn't look that authoritative.
[07:17] <AfC> lifeless: (anyway, thanks)
[07:18] <lifeless> look in your process list
[07:18] <lifeless> for agent
[07:41] <vila> hi all
[07:51] <spm> hey vila!
[08:35] <poolie> hi there vila
[08:36] <vila> hey poolie
[08:39] <poolie> vila, did i tell you i replaced my broken pc with a 6-core amd?
[08:39] <poolie> it makes selftest --parallel pretty nice
[08:39] <poolie> it gets easily disk bound though
[08:39] <vila> wow, welcome to the club :-)
[08:41] <vila> poolie: python -c 'from bzrlib import osutils ; print osutils.local_concurrency()' ?
[08:41] <lifeless> 6
[08:41] <vila> 6 or 12 ?
[08:41] <vila> ok
[08:41] <poolie> probably 6, no ht
[08:42] <lifeless> AIUI amd have rather different ideas in that space
[08:42] <vila> so running the full test suite is down to what ? 6mins 8 mins ?
[09:06] <poolie> something like that
[09:10] <lifeless> hmm
[09:10] <lifeless> tomorrow
[09:10] <lifeless> remind me to land my 'delete 1/3 of the registered repo formats' patch.
[09:10] <poolie> :)
[09:10] <lifeless> its intermingled with other stuff
[09:10] <poolie> vila, is texinfo blocked, or still on your plate, or ..?
[09:11] <lifeless> but I can pull it out and do it with a prod, and I think it will be quite noticable
[09:11] <vila> still on my plate
[09:14] <lifeless> hi jkakar
[09:15] <jkakar> Hiya lifeless!
[10:06] <lifeless> memo to self, put http://www.webperformancematters.com/journal/2007/7/24/latency-bandwidth-and-response-times.html in the bzr perf bug
[17:56] <jam> vila: what's up with: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/cleanup/+merge/28315
[17:56] <jam> ?
[17:56] <jam> though you may already be gone
[17:58] <vila> jam: almost but not quite, I just need to look at it, I'm looking into .conf files needs to be locked and ran into yes-but-lock-info-use-config loop :-)
[17:58] <jam> vila: sure, just trying to drive the queue, and that is a 'tweak' entry
[17:59] <vila> jam: I'll look into them as soon as I submit this one
[18:16] <parthm> jam: hi
[18:28] <jam> hey parth
[18:29] <jam> bbiab
[18:33] <Stavros> hello
[18:33] <Stavros> is there a way for a colocated branch switch to store uncommitted changes?
[18:35] <Stavros> anyone?
[18:37] <parthm> Stavros: i haven't used colocated branches but shelve command stores uncommitted changes. maybe you can check if they work together.
[18:37] <Stavros> i can't find it anything in the docs, but it would be great if colocated branches could store changes a la shelve
[18:37] <Stavros> i could have two branches in the same dir and work on them at the same time
[18:39] <parthm> Stavros: yes. i understand the colocated concept in bzr but just haven't tried it :) ... so i don't know how well it works with shelve.
[18:39] <Stavros> as far as i know, it doesn't work at all
[18:39] <Stavros> i'll add a feature request, thanks
[18:39] <parthm> Stavros: oh. yup. in that case its probably a good idea.
[18:43] <jam> back
[18:44] <jam> Stavros: I'll also note that 'bzr-pipeline' does something similar and stores a related group of 'shelved changes' on a given branch
[18:44] <Stavros> Added: https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr-colo/+question/116044
[18:44] <jam> I don't know the details, though
[18:44] <Stavros> jam: oh, let me check that out, thanks
[18:44] <jam> abentley might be able to give more details (author of bzr-pipeline)
[18:45] <Stavros> pipeline looks great, i should be able to figure it out from the docs, thank you very much
[19:51] <lifeless> jam: I think you perhaps got tricked by the new feed-pqm
[19:51] <lifeless> jam: did you mean 'e' ?
[20:01] <jam> morning lifeless
[20:02] <jam> well, right now it is hard to test as it says "No remaining merge proposals matching status ['Approved']?"
[20:02] <jam> however, if there is a single proposal marked approved ,then running 'n' will repeatedly give you back the same proposal
[20:02] <jam> (go to next)
[20:03] <jam> lifeless: also, I submitted martin's proposal, but pqm doesn't seem to be running, nor did I get an error message about it.
[20:03] <jam> though it did go into the Queued state
[20:03] <jam> and it didn't seem to write a 'sent to pqm message'
[20:04] <lifeless> jam: run with --help
[20:04] <lifeless> theres an option to access queued ones too
[20:04] <lifeless> then use e to send it via email
[20:04] <jam> lifeless: so is 's' useless now?
[20:04] <jam> (until we get pqm reading queued messages again) ?
[20:04] <lifeless> I sent email a while back - thumper asked us to stop using queued
[20:04] <lifeless> yeah
[20:04] <jam> k
[20:05] <jam> it was certainly the obvious step
[20:05] <lifeless> yeah
[20:05] <lifeless> I would love to fix that
[20:05] <jam> and Queued gives:
[20:05] <jam>   File "c:\Python26\lib\site-packages\lazr.restfulclient-0.9.10-py2.6.egg\lazr\restfulclient\resourc
[20:05] <jam> e.py", line 852, in __getitem__
[20:05] <jam>     raise KeyError(key)
[20:05] <jam> KeyError: '--queued'
[20:05] <lifeless> dah wtf
[20:05] <jam> apparently you need to put the project name before the arguments
[20:05] <lifeless> *blink*
[20:05] <jam> nope
[20:05] <jam> that doesn't work either
[20:05] <jam> it tells me that I need to only supply 1 argument
[20:06] <jam> sigh
[20:06] <lifeless> looking
[20:06] <lifeless> the __name__ == __main__ section is borked
[20:06] <lifeless> overlapping merges I think
[20:06] <jam> yeah
[20:06] <jam> checks length and then aborts
[20:06] <jam> vs using OptionParser for it
[20:06] <jam> I'll fix it up
[20:07] <lifeless> overlapping merges
[20:07] <jam> oh, and it still uses argv[1] after parsing into args :)
[20:07] <jam> joy
[20:07] <lifeless> http://pastebin.com/Zc6PrRhy is most of it
[20:07] <lifeless> oh lol
[20:07] <lifeless> that think is going to be me
[20:08] <lifeless> the other bit I dunno what happened
[20:11] <jam> lifeless: it also doesn't work particularly well if you initially gave hydrazine readonly credentials
[20:11] <jam> :)
[20:12] <lifeless> thats surprising
[20:12] <lifeless> surely the queue command would have blown up, then ?
[20:12] <jam> well, it read it ok, but it failed with big tracebacks when I tried to set something
[20:12] <jam> sure
[20:12] <jam> it just failed in hard-to-debug ways
[20:15] <jam> lifeless: anyway, 's' is much more obvious for submit (IMO), but hey, as long as we get something working.
[21:51] <JoshBrown> I've accidentally added my email to my name in all my commits, so I'm seeing something like: 'Josh Brown<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>- is there anything I can do about this this?
[22:00] <rubbs> JoshBrown: you can try to reset your whoami by doing bzr whoami Josh Brown<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:01] <rubbs> alternatively you can edit the "email" line in your bazaar.conf file. On linux that is located at ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[22:01] <JoshBrown> rubbs: I've got it set fine now ('Josh Brown <josh@host.com>'), it's just that it looks messy in the logs.
[22:01] <rubbs> oh, of that I'm not sure.
[22:02] <rubbs> unfortunately I must go, I wish you luck in finding your answer
[22:02] <JoshBrown> rubbs: Bye.
[22:02] <rubbs> bye
[22:02] <JoshBrown> :)
[22:10] <jam> JoshBrown: you might look at using something like 'bzr rebase', but I think that tries to preserve the original author info
[22:12] <JoshBrown> jam: Thanks, I'll look into it.
[22:14] <JoshBrown> Actually it only seems to change the actual content, while preserving author info.
[22:41] <jelmer__> heh, bzr transports ftw
[22:41]  * jelmer__ runs bzr.dev pack sftp://charis.local/~/samba3.git
[22:49] <jam> jelmer__: interesting
[22:49] <jam> now does that end up doing a git pack  on the remote side?
[22:50] <jam> seems like it would be pretty inefficient, but still interesting to have it work
[22:50] <jelmer__> jam: Since it's all local it's not that inefficient
[22:50] <jam> jelmer__: well, other than the sftp protocol overhead :)
[22:50] <jelmer__> local as in LAN I mean
[22:51] <jelmer__> jam: right
[22:59] <lifeless> jelmer__: \o.


[13:19] <hwpplayer1> please join #ubuntu-science for scientific programming and science discussion
[15:33] <hwpplayer1> I want to make an IRC Meeting on #ubuntu-science at UTC+3 19:00 Istanbul who wants to join are welcome
[15:57] <infinity0> what's the process for getting debian packages in ubuntu? i'm just wondering why sagemath 8.0 is not in artful yet
[15:58] <infinity0> it depends on rpy2-2.8 which is a recently-new package because the "rpy2" package dropped support for python2 after 2.8
[15:59] <Unit193> infinity0: https://ubottu.com/y/aa way past "Debian import freeze/feature freeze", well into final freeze.
[16:02] <infinity0> ah ok so it'll probably be in the next one
[16:02] <tsimonq2> yep
[16:04] <cjwatson> well, also somebody tried to get it into artful but so far it fails to build
[16:04] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sagemath/8.0-8ubuntu2
[16:06] <infinity0> ah right, + python-sphinx (>= 1.5.6), -- that requires you to drop a patch from debian/patches/ that backports an upstream commit adding sphinx 1.6 support
[16:06] <cjwatson> the build failure seems to be related to cython, not a lot to do with sphinx?
[16:06] <cjwatson> (but I haven't looked very closely)
[16:07] <infinity0> right, looks like the cython build-dep was also lowered to 0.25, it needs 0.26
[16:13] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: ^
[18:14] <acheronuk> doko: Preparing to unpack .../kodi-repository-kodi_2%3a17.3+dfsg1-3_all.deb ...
[18:14] <acheronuk> Unpacking kodi-repository-kodi (2:17.3+dfsg1-3) ...
[18:14] <acheronuk> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kodi-repository-kodi_2%3a17.3+dfsg1-3_all.deb (--unpack):
[18:14] <acheronuk>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/kodi/addons/repository.xbmc.org/addon.xml', which is also in package kodi-data 2:17.3+dfsg1-3


[07:00] <dholbach> good morning
[14:43] <hypatia> jledbetter__: your connection has the hiccups
[14:44] <elky> It seems to have settled, nothing for 40 mins or so.
[14:45] <hypatia> ah true
[16:20] <Pendulum> elky, pleia2 congrats!
[16:58] <akgraner> Hi all  - I sent the email to the mailing list a little while ago and the run-off poll is now being sent to people to vote as well.  - pleia2 and elky are now 2/3rds of the new leadership team, with Pendulum and hypatia tied.  (Thus the need for the run-off poll)..  Congrats to elky and pleia2 and good luck again to Pendulum and hypatia :-)
[17:00] <pleia2> thanks :)
[17:30] <MichelleQ1> Congrats to elky & pleia2.  And I'm sure either Pendulum or hypatia will be awesome, too!
[17:35] <pleia2> thanks MichelleQ1! And it's so nice to have such great candidates, either way it goes we all win :)
[17:35] <pleia2> the team, I mean
[17:36] <MichelleQ1> oh, absolutely.
[17:42] <czajkowski> akgraner: i've no mail from you...
[17:42] <pleia2> I received the poll a couple minutes ago
[17:43] <Pendulum> czajkowski: you didn't get the initial "this is what the plan is" e-mail? or didn't get the poll yet?
[17:44] <czajkowski> neither
[17:44] <czajkowski> hmmm
[17:44] <czajkowski> could be a problem on my end
[17:44] <czajkowski> checkibng on web
[17:44] <czajkowski> checking
[17:46] <czajkowski> and may not pulling them down for m
[17:46] <czajkowski> me
[17:48] <czajkowski> poll arrived