[00:00] <Xpistos|work> hggdh: I think I did this inadvertently when I added my wifes NFS shares when I got her moved over to linux. I didn't have anything in my downloads for a few weeks that is why I didn't' notice and I must have looked at the wrong line when I check my exports before.
[00:00] <Xpistos|work> hggdh: Thanks for you help
[00:01] <Xpistos|work> and oddly enought I can fo things in my NFS share now
[00:01] <Xpistos|work> hmm?
[00:02] <hggdh> :-)
[00:07] <RoAkSoAx> is there a list of all the server packages that use upstart instead of the LSB init scripts?
[00:25] <MatBoy> is there a date around when 10.04 can be released ?
[00:31] <ScottK> MatBoy: April 29
[01:10] <zul> happy happy joy joy
[01:45] <medex> How can I update my version from the terminal no gui?
[01:47] <Pici> medex: do-release-upgrade, check --help for options
[03:17] <hazmat> is there a way to make ubuntu not try to use gcj for all the java packages?
[03:19] <hazmat> i've got a 'real' java installed and identified as such for java alternatives
[03:21] <hungnv> hello all, I create samba share for other ubuntu clients, then I mount at clients, some works well, some I get problem : mount : cannot allocate memory
[03:22] <hungnv> http://pastebin.com/bFanKYYZ at client dmesg shows that problem
[03:23] <hungnv> please give me a solution
[03:26] <ScottK> hazmat: There is an #ubuntu-java.  I don't know if they'd be able to help.
[03:31] <hazmat> ScottK, thanks
[04:02] <lifestream> Could anyone help me with .... setting up NAT(?) so I can use Linux (host) to connect to a program (server) that is on a virtualbox guest? (I am on the #vbox channel too)
[04:02] <lifestream> I don't understand what this means:
[04:02] <lifestream> We have a Guest Machine with a running ssh server which accepts connections on the TCP port 22. Our goal is to make any packet arriving at a given TCP port (i.e. 2222) of the Host machine, to be forwarded to the TCP port 22 of the Guest Machine.
[04:03] <lifestream> Wait... nevermind, I think I'm following the wrong tutorial.
[04:18]  * lifestream is away: afffkkkkk
[04:19] <maxagaz> I can I check the activity of the network in live ?
[04:19] <maxagaz> how
[04:20] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, what do you mean precisely by activity? Give us an example.
[04:22] <maxagaz> KurtKraut, I'd like to be able to check the activity of the network between each node
[04:22] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, 'activity' still an abstract idea.
[04:23] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, bandwith? what IP and port being used? Read the packets content?
[04:23] <maxagaz> KurtKraut, I mean the size of datas going between nodes
[04:24] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, in real time or you want it logged?
[04:24] <maxagaz> KurtKraut, in real time
[04:25] <maxagaz> KurtKraut, my network is often slow, but I don't understand why, it would be easier to see if I can monitor the traffic the traffice between computers
[04:31] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, try the following packages? bwm-ng and nethogs
[04:31] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, try the following packages? bwm-ng and nethogs
[04:31] <KurtKraut> oops
[04:31] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, try the following packages: bwm-ng and nethogs. They may give you the data you need.
[04:32] <KurtKraut> maxagaz, another good resource is http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-linux.html
[05:24] <krezel> I'm running Karmic and I need to run an old webapp that relies on PHP4 and I believe to be suspect from a security standpoint. What's my best option? chroot jail? Compile php4 and run it alongside php5 but with the app isolated by mpm-itk?
[05:26] <ScottK> Best is don't do it.
[05:27] <krezel> I seem to hear that a lot :)
[05:28] <ScottK> It's good advice.
[05:28] <ScottK> If you really need to run php4, set up a Dapper system (in a vm or something).  Dapper has another ~year of security support and has php4.
[05:29] <krezel> Hmm, I'm already on a vm (linode) but I could probably set up dapper in a chroot jail, right?
[05:30] <ScottK> No idea, but presumably.
[05:31] <kees> krezel: chroots are not secure containers.  they should only be used for testing.  if you have no choice, I would port it to run with php5, and then confine it with apparmor.  there are good examples in lucid, but should work in karmic too.
[05:32] <krezel> kees: Sadly I don't think this steaming pile of dung will take the upgrade to php5 well. Its basically a big custom phpwiki and I wouldn't even know where to start
[05:32] <ScottK> Which gets back to my initial advice
[05:33] <kees> :(
[05:35] <krezel> The fun never ends
[06:02] <jasonmchristos> what tracker software does torrent.ubuntu.com use? i want to setup my own tracker
[06:19] <darkk^> kees, by the way, what's wrong with chroots as soon as user does not have root in the chroot?
[06:19] <darkk^> yes, root can almost always escape from the chroot, but how can ordinary user do that?
[08:15] <_minerva> hi
[08:27] <kees> darkk^: depends on the chroot, but many have /proc mounted, which can expose kernel interfaces.  chroots are better than nothing, but there are much better solutions.  :)
[09:03] <jjohansen> ttx: for bug #546743 is the proper solution but we are kind of out of time there so I think for server we can get away with changing /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf to have options radeon modeset=0
[09:05] <ttx> jjohansen: that would only affect server ? Which package is this shipped in ?
[09:05] <jjohansen> xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[09:05] <jjohansen> ttx: hrmm, well I assume there is a way to only make it affect server
[09:06] <jjohansen> I could be wrong
[09:06] <ttx> jjohansen: maybe it shouldn't just affect server anyway
[09:07] <ttx> jjohansen: I don't think server ships with xserver-xorg-video-radeon ? Or do I get something wrong ?
[09:07] <jjohansen> well I think some desktop people would be awful unhappy if kms was off by default
[09:07] <ttx> .. probably :)
[09:08] <jjohansen> ttx: well that is the desktop package
[09:08] <jjohansen> I guess
[09:09] <ttx> jjohansen: can we move this to #ubuntu-release ?
[09:09] <jjohansen> its installed here, I didn't even think to look in the server install
[09:09] <jjohansen> sure
[10:14] <jjohansen> ttx: is there anyone else with ES1000 hardware who can test soon?
[10:15] <ttx> jjohansen: there are affected servers in the London DC, but I don't have contacts there
[10:15] <ttx> jjohansen: we can also ask in the bug, reporters were pretty responsive
[10:16] <jjohansen> ttx: sure, but I am talking with in hours
[10:24] <ttx> jjohansen: otherwise fader should be up in ~3 hours
[10:24] <jjohansen> okay I'll let apw know
[10:25]  * apw jerks awake
[10:35] <Guest70176> hi there
[10:35] <Guest70176>  maybe someone got a clue! i installed in UEC mode from the cd installer. one host for clc walrus etc, and one host as a nc. everything is working fine. QUESTION: how do i log into the nc?? in the installation process i wasn't ask for a passwort :o
[10:39]  * ttx admires the kernel team capability to suspend/resume
[10:39] <ttx> Guest70176: you should use the same as the CLC
[10:40] <ttx> Guest70176: it's preseeded from whatever you chose on the CLC
[10:40] <ttx> the NC takes a lot of installation defaults from the CLC
[10:46] <Guest70176> ttx: aaah so it's the user / pwd i choosed from the installation on the CLC?
[10:47] <ttx> yes, and feel free to change them if you need different ones
[10:49] <Guest70176> ttx: ohman, thanks! that should go in the documentation :)
[10:49] <ttx> Guest70176: it's a wikipage, fix it :)
[10:50] <Guest70176> ttx: this one, aye? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/
[10:50] <ttx> Guest70176: I'm not sure it's up to date anyway
[10:50]  * ttx looks
[10:51] <ttx> a quick note on Step3 that the node will inherit user/password from the CLC could help yes
[10:53] <e-DIO-t> ad ogni modo: Yo!
[11:05] <VSpike> Is there any way I can get squid-2.7.STABLE9 onto 9.10 server?
[11:40] <franjpr> I am running ubuntu server 9.10. The other day it failed to start. It halts in the init steps. Any idea what to do?. Thanks
[11:48] <VSpike> franjpr: did you try the recovery mode?
[11:48] <VSpike> franjpr: do the last few lines of output contain anything interesting?
[12:19] <franjpr> vspike: yeah, I tried the recovery mode. Same result
[12:20] <alvin> franjpr: And the last messages you see?
[12:20] <franjpr> last lines are init: ureadahead-other...
[12:20] <franjpr> or whatever process
[12:20] <alvin> ah, try pressing 'M' at that point.
[12:20] <franjpr> let me check
[12:20] <alvin> If my suspicion is right, it should give you a recovery shell
[12:22] <franjpr> no, it justs prints M or m in the screen
[12:22] <franjpr> the boot process stops with init steps
[12:22] <alvin> And if you press 'S'?
[12:23] <franjpr> the same
[12:23] <franjpr> I can type in the screen
[12:23] <franjpr> but there is no command line
[12:24] <franjpr> last line, init: ureadahead-other main process (652) terminated with status 4
[12:24] <franjpr> I read on a thread that this message does not interfere in the boot process
[12:24] <franjpr> and I do not know what to do
[12:24] <alvin> I have the same on all servers, but if I press 'M', the recovery shell appears and I can mount remaining filesystems manually. Just like you, the last lines are ureadahead... and I can't see what error actually occurs (filesystems not mounting)
[12:25] <franjpr> not in my case
[12:25] <alvin> franjpr: What's your disk layout? Are you using mdadm or lvm?
[12:25] <franjpr> there is no recovery shell
[12:25] <franjpr> lvm
[12:25] <alvin> Do you have snapshots?
[12:26] <franjpr> no
[12:26] <alvin> Do you have more than 4 lvm volumes?
[12:26] <franjpr> no
[12:26] <alvin> In that case, it's something I did not encounter yet.
[12:26] <franjpr> just two hdd
[12:26] <franjpr> one /dev/sda
[12:27] <franjpr> and another /dev/sdb
[12:27] <franjpr> in /dev/sda
[12:27] <alvin> no mirror?
[12:27] <franjpr> no
[12:27] <franjpr> it is a very simple server
[12:27] <alvin> and single user mode (recovery in grub) gives you the same output?
[12:27] <franjpr> in /dev/sda I have /dev/server-root
[12:28] <franjpr> and /dev/server-root/boot
[12:28] <franjpr> or something like this
[12:28] <franjpr> yes
[12:28] <franjpr> I go to grub menu
[12:28] <franjpr> and select recovery
[12:28] <franjpr> and I get the same result
[12:29] <alvin> Ah, a separate boot! Since karmic, I have stopped using that because of bug 462961
[12:29] <alvin> This is a fresh install or an upgrade?
[12:29] <franjpr> this is an upgrade from 9.04
[12:29] <franjpr> but it has been working
[12:30] <franjpr> normally
[12:30] <franjpr> untill yesterdayi
[12:30] <alvin> With 9.10 in between? Or did you switch sources?
[12:30] <franjpr> I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, just following the upgrade process from ubuntu
[12:30] <alvin> Ah, ok. I thought you were on Lucid.
[12:31] <franjpr> ah no
[12:31] <alvin> Nothing else in /etc/fstab? NFS mounts, CIFS mounts?
[12:31] <franjpr> fstab?
[12:31] <franjpr> I can run an ubuntu server cd
[12:31] <alvin> Yes, /etc/fstab, where your mount points are defined
[12:31] <franjpr> and edit whatever file
[12:32] <franjpr> I have not changed anything these days
[12:32] <alvin> I would do that. Check the contents of /etc/fstab (or post them here, using pastebin)
[12:32] <alvin> No recent kernel upgrade either?
[12:32] <franjpr> I can check the file
[12:32] <franjpr> I can't tell right now
[12:32] <alvin> You didn't change anything in the BIOS?
[12:33] <franjpr> however I  have tried to select other kernels from grub menu, with the same result
[12:33] <whom> i have a local code <div>'ça'  </div> , remote server is ubuntu, via ftp, i upload my code, i check it back from server, output is:  'Ã§a'   , what is wrong?
[12:33] <franjpr> no, when before this issue. Afterwards, I have tried.
[12:34] <franjpr> let me check fstab
[12:38] <franjpr> alvin: I am running ubuntu server cd
[12:38] <franjpr> repair broken system
[12:38] <alvin> Yes, answer a bit more questions and choose to have a shell in /
[12:38] <franjpr> I have /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/server/root /dev/server/swap_1
[12:39] <alvin> /dev/server/root
[12:41] <franjpr> let's the fstab
[12:43] <franjpr> the seems to be correct
[12:43] <franjpr> nothing has been changed
[12:52] <alvin> franjpr: I'm not suggesting anything is wrong with your /etc/fstab. Neither is anything wrong with mine, but most servers do not boot either.
[12:53] <whom> i did set binary, and transfer one line to that ubuntu server, i read it back , it gives me broken chracters. then i also send in ASCII same. whats the point now?
[12:54] <whom> i have a local code <div>'ça'  </div> , remote server output is:  'Ã§a'  ?
[12:54] <franjpr> alvin: I am a bit lost. I do not know how to proceed to recover the server.
[12:56] <alvin> franjpr: Me neither.  I wish there was a log somewhere. I think you can set mountall to debug mode, but do not know how. Anyone?
[12:58] <alvin> Aer your lvm volumes defines by UUID in /etc/fstab, or are they /dev/mapper/server-root, etc,...
[12:59] <franjpr> by uuid
[13:00] <alvin> Try changing them back to /dev/mapper
[13:00] <franjpr> ok+
[13:01] <franjpr> however it seems they are mounted correctly
[13:01] <whom> alvin, franjpr : in my centos LANG=en_US.UTF-8, i have a local file with only this value: 'ça' , when i use upload ftp (ascii/binary)  that file, which is hosted ubuntu server,  and again if i download it back, the same file value gets changed to this: 'Ã§a' , do you read me!!
[13:01] <franjpr> at least they are identified and fsck checks them
[13:01] <franjpr> afterwards, in the init steps...
[13:04] <alvin> whom: We're not a helpdesk. Read up on ASCII vs BINARY file transfers by FTP.
[13:05] <alvin> franjpr: Still halts? (try 'M' now if it does)
[13:06] <whom> alvin, i am not  a client also, came in the community, i did ASCII and Binary transfer both same result, but when i cent my centos box to another remotelocation same centos the same characters output same. What is the point, ubuntu ftp server is not listening or miss configured?
[13:12] <whom> alvin, anyway you are not listening, like all of those broken neck. you dont know this simple point dont you? shame on you, playing with big toys.
[13:49] <franjpr> alvin: I changed in fstab all uuid to /dev/... with the same result
[13:49] <franjpr> the partitions are correctly identified
[13:49] <alvin> This is bad. What could it be then?
[13:49] <franjpr> no idea
[13:49] <alvin> Did you press 'm' this time?
[13:50] <franjpr> partitions are checked
[13:50] <franjpr> then stops
[13:50] <alvin> You could file a bug against mountall, but I wouldn't know what information to provide in your case, except for the description; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall
[13:50] <franjpr> after the last line init:whatever...
[13:51] <franjpr> the cursor blinks
[13:51] <franjpr> you can type m or M
[13:51] <franjpr> hit enter
[13:51] <franjpr> go to the next line
[13:51] <franjpr> but nothing happens
[13:51] <alvin> No, it should give you a rescue shell. In your case, something crashes, but I don't know what.
[13:52] <franjpr> yes
[13:52] <franjpr> i do not know
[13:52] <franjpr> and i do not know what to report
[13:55] <alvin> Just where your boot halts, what the last messages are, your kernel version, mountall version and /etc/fstab I think.
[13:56] <ttx> smoser: around ?
[13:56] <smoser> here
[13:56] <smoser> whats up ?
[13:57] <ttx> smoser: about openldap's latest comments from mathiaz, I assume you uploaded before he commented ?
[13:57] <ttx> smoser: if so, We should create a bug to track the remaining items
[13:58] <ttx> alvin: re: mountall logs: you can edit /etc/init/mountall.conf so that the mountall line reads:
[13:58] <smoser> we did upload before he commented, kyes.
[13:58] <ttx> exec mountall --debug --daemon $force_fsck $fsck_fix > /dev/mountall.log
[13:59] <ttx> smoser: ok, I'll create a bug for the remaining stuff
[14:01] <smoser> ttx, yeah. i can try to gake a quick stab at it and race the Final Freeze
[14:01] <ttx> smoser: I doubt that, given we are already frozen
[14:02] <smoser> oh.
[14:02] <smoser> did not realize that.
[14:02] <smoser> so yeah, thats an unlikely race to win
[14:03]  * smoser searches for that flux capacitor ... i know its around here somewhere
[14:03] <ttx> alvin: about your boot issues on 10.04
[14:04] <ttx> alvin: iiuc you have two issues: one is that it fails to mount things, and the other is that it fails to tell you about it. Is that correct ?
[14:05] <ttx> alvin: about the first, are you running on LVM ? about the second, what are your kernel options ? About both, do you already have opened bugs about those ?
[14:06] <alvin> franjpr: look at what ttx posted for your mountall debug options. (I'll enable that too)
[14:07] <ttx> alvin, franjpr: fwiw I usually make a copy of /dev/mountall.log to /ev/copy.log while in M mode, I saw some file clobbering when I made the install continue after that
[14:08] <ttx> franjpr: that said, I don't think it would work for 9.10
[14:08] <alvin> ttx: Actually, I have more than those 2 issues with Lucid. Still examining a bit before filing the bug. Plymouth fails to tell me when using ubuntu-server, but the keys do work (S, M,...) The other one is: as soon as I create a snapshot, one machine gets into grub rescue, the other will not be able to mount all filesystems.
[14:09] <ttx> alvin: I'll try to reproduce the "fails but keys do work" one
[14:09] <alvin> and the last is: when creating a snapshot, sometimes the snapshot gets mounted instead of its parent. I filed that one yesterday and it's only on upgrades. > bug 563117
[14:09] <alvin> ttx: Easiest way is to snapshot an lvm volume
[14:10] <alvin> and reboot
[14:10] <ttx> I know that Foundations are still working on a slew of mountall issues
[14:10] <alvin> WHat is Foundations?
[14:11] <ttx> the group that works on ubuntu foundations for both desktop and server, that includes the boot process
[14:11] <alvin> Ah, cool
[14:12] <alvin> I see the trouble with lvm snapshots on both server and desktop, but they react differently. Probably because the server has mdadm raid1 too. That one is the worst because it only gets into as far as grub rescue.
[14:25] <Jeeves_> Any apt specialists here?
[14:29] <Pici> Depends what the question is.
[14:32] <Genk1> hello, is there a way to crypt all the traffic network of a LAN ? I mean for every protocol used in the LAN !
[14:33] <Jeeves_> Pici: It's about the gpg checking.
[14:33] <Jeeves_> But I found what's going wrong
[14:34] <Jeeves_> All I need to do now is fix my mirror :)
[14:34] <Pici> Jeeves_: Why not just ask the question and we'll see if we can answer.  Or nevermind.
[14:34] <alvin> Genk1: You can tunnel about anything over ssh, but I have no experience with that. All traffic is a bit much, no?
[14:35] <Genk1> alvin, yes it's a high traffic !
[14:35] <Jeeves_> Pici: Nevermind :)
[14:37] <alvin> I think encryption is easier for point to point connections. For example, file transfers over sftp. CIFS also has encryption, but that is really th protocol itself. If you want all X traffic in the lan encrypted, I wouldn't know the answer to that.. You can tunnel X through ssh easily, but a broadcast is something else.
[14:39] <Genk1> alvin, hmmm.. I see !!
[14:39] <Genk1> thank you
[14:56] <_ruben> Genk1: that's pretty much what ipsec is used for
[14:59] <zul> Daviey: ping wtf with the ubuntu-fortunes-server?
[15:00] <Daviey> zul: what about it?
[15:00] <Daviey> zul: it's all fixed now.. but it seems the MIR wasn't actioned ages ago.
[15:00] <zul> Daviey: ok
[15:01] <Daviey> zul: fwiw, i thought it was in main already - prepaired an upload yesterday, and didn't notice.
[15:01] <zul> Daviey: gotcha
[15:02] <iclebyte> anyone familar with drbd? after creating and performing the inital sync, should you only create the file system on /dev/drbd0 on the primary note? i.e. will the creation of the filesystem replicate to the slave node via the block device?
[15:09] <zul> ttx: is it your day for daily triage?
[15:10] <ttx> zul: no, was yesterday
[15:10] <ttx> today's smoser's
[15:10] <smoser> yeah. my triage day.
[15:11] <alvin> You assign each other triage jobs?
[15:12] <smoser> alvin, its just that each of us has agreed to spend time doing triage one day of the week.
[15:13] <smoser> you, and anyone, is more than welcome to triage server bugs any time you'd like (and I suggest you help out on Thursdays :)
[15:13] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=datecreated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.importance%3Alist=UNDECIDED&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=ubuntu-server&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.affects_
[15:13] <smoser> me.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_no_package.used=&search=Search
[15:13] <smoser> wow. silly long link.
[15:13] <zul> smoser: slacker
[15:14] <alvin> I'm currently at work. We use ubuntu-server a lot, so a bit of triaging during work hours couldn't hurt
[15:14] <smoser> http://ubuntu-server-new-bugs.notlong.com
[15:15] <alvin> If you're triaging now, try rebooting lucid after you made a snapshot of an lvm parition. I have yet to file the bug though.
[15:15] <ttx> link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Bug%20Triager%20resources
[15:16] <mathiaz> zul: bug 561750
[15:17] <mathiaz> zul: it seems that squid reload kills squid
[15:17] <zul> mathiaz: ok ill have a look
[15:18] <alvin> Ah, triaging is not testing, but setting the importance and status of bugs. I see.
[15:18] <ttx> mathiaz !
[15:18] <mathiaz> ttx: o/
[15:24] <Italian_Plumber> so... wget doesn't recursively follow javascript links?
[15:31] <_ruben> i doubt wget does any javascript at all
[15:32] <Italian_Plumber> well fudgenuggets
[15:41] <Italian_Plumber> what about links that exist on the pages as <area> instead of <a>... or is that javascript
[15:53] <ttx> alvin: reproduced, filing bug
[15:54] <alvin> ttx: Wait, I just filed two
[15:54] <ttx> ah
[15:54] <ttx> bug # ?
[15:54] <alvin> bug 563895
[15:54] <alvin> looking for the other one
[15:55] <alvin> bug 563902
[15:55] <alvin> I hope I chose the right packages
[15:55] <ttx> ok, will file for the lack of M / S prompt
[15:55] <alvin> Good, I didn't file that one. Please, post the number here so  can subscribe
[16:00] <persia> So, I installed a new lucid server, and have a new, cool, byobu theme.  On an upgraded server, I still have the old theme.  What do I need to do to get the new theme on the upgraded server?
[16:01] <kirkland> persia: F9-> Select background (black), Select foreground (white)
[16:01] <persia> kirkland: Thanks!
[16:01] <kirkland> persia: or ... printf "BACKGROUND=k\nFOREGROUND=w\nMONOCHROME=0" > ~/.byobu/color
[16:02] <kirkland> persia: if you want the "monochrome" theme to make the grey-and-white look of Lucid
[16:02] <jasonmchristos> what tracker software does torrent.ubuntu.com use? i want to setup my own tracker
[16:04] <ttx> alvin: bug 563916
[16:04] <persia> kirkland: That's even better: now if I get a custom selection I can just scp it about.  Thanks again.
[16:05] <alvin> ttx: thanks
[16:07] <kirkland> persia: cheers, yeah
[16:12] <kirkland> persia: i actually use different color combinations for each host (so that i recognize what machine i'm on by a visual cue)
[16:12] <Pici> Me too
[16:12] <persia> Hmm.  So maybe I oughtn't have "fixed" that :)
[16:13]  * persia reverts to prevent a future mistake in advance
[16:17] <kirkland> persia: ?
[16:17] <kirkland> persia: it's totally up to you
[16:17] <persia> kirkland: Yeah, but it's a *really* good idea to have a visual cue to differentiate hosts :)
[16:18] <persia> kirkland: Also, thanks for the seed changes: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ports/daily/current/ is all <700MB now.
[16:18] <kirkland> persia: http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/colors.png
[16:19] <persia> Oh my.  I don't have quite that server count, but I can see why you almost need it.
[16:20] <binBASH> I rebooted the machine where cloud controller etc. is on, now it shows 0 free vms :/
[16:20] <binBASH> anyone knows what's wrong?
[16:20] <binBASH> in logfile I see it gets timeout on select()
[16:39] <mathiaz> ttx: bug 423252
[16:39] <mathiaz> ttx: ^^ we should have a look at this one as well
[16:40] <ttx> ew
[16:41] <mathiaz> hggdh: are you using the uec test rig?
[16:42] <ttx> mathiaz: added to watch list on ReleaseStatus page
[16:42] <hggdh> mathiaz: was, but I can give it up
[16:43] <mathiaz> hggdh: kirkland and I are going to look at the multi-machine topo
[16:43] <hggdh> mathiaz: a Q: the /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus-ipaddr.conf should point to the correct addresses of the CLC, CC, Walrus, etc, correct?
[16:43] <mathiaz> hggdh: is this the topo that is currently installed?
[16:43] <mathiaz> hggdh: yes
[16:43] <hggdh> mathiaz: lucid-adm64-topo2
[16:43] <hggdh> mathiaz: they are not
[16:43] <hggdh> mathiaz: to the point I am not sure how it even works
[16:47] <mathiaz> hggdh: they all look good
[16:48] <mathiaz> hggdh: eucalyptus-ipaddr.conf is only used by the avahi publishing jobs
[16:48] <kirkland> hggdh: mathiaz: actually, /etc/eucalyptus/eucalyptus-ipaddr.conf isn't very accurate ... i started working on a fix for that (using avahi, and grepping the logs)
[16:48] <mathiaz> hggdh: to pick up the correct IP address to publish on the nework
[16:48] <hggdh> ah, OK
[16:48] <kirkland> hggdh: mathiaz: but i figured it was too late to commit that kind of a change
[16:49] <hggdh> mathiaz, kirkland: the rig is all yours. Want me to logoff?
[16:50] <mathiaz> hggdh: ok thanks
[16:50] <ttx> hggdh: you have three work items on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-uec-testing about testing of the Beta2 milestone, it would be good to cover them soon, with whatever topology works at the time... If already done please mark those work items as "DONE"
[16:50] <ttx> because next week we'll switch to testing RC candidates
[16:51] <ttx> so the beta2 post-milestone tests need to be covered by then
[16:51] <mathiaz> ttx: doesn't the WI cover *all* topologies?
[16:51] <ttx> or should they be considered covered already ?
[16:51] <hggdh> ttx: as soon as mathiaz and kirkland are done
[16:51] <hggdh> ttx: only the all-in-one was tested
[16:51] <ttx> mathiaz: I prefer partial results this week to no results at all for B2
[16:52] <mathiaz> hggdh: have you already tested beta2 on topo1?
[16:52] <hggdh> mathiaz: I had, yes
[16:52] <ttx> hggdh: you still have a few days, so let's give all the topologies a chance :)
[16:53] <ttx> hggdh: just saying that next week you'll be busy with RC candidates validation, so we'll have to go with whatever you can come up with by... Monday
[16:53] <hggdh> ttx: ack
[16:53]  * hggdh runs around
[16:55] <e-DIO-t> seeya
[17:30] <kirkland> smoser: ping
[17:30] <kirkland> smoser: see nurmi's noted;  neil +1'd your euca2ools change
[17:30] <kirkland> smoser: shall i sponsor and get that uploaded?
[17:45] <matt3206_> is this purely server support
[17:46]  * matt3206_ wonders wtf is everyone
[17:48] <ScottK> matt3206_: This is Ubuntu Server support and development.
[17:49] <matt3206_> thanks
[17:49] <matt3206_> i need multimedia support
[17:49] <smoser> kirkland, please do sponsor that
[17:49] <matt3206_> do you know which channel i could find that in?
[17:50] <smoser> kirkland, bug 551847
[17:51] <matt3206_> anyone work with sun micro system hardware?
[17:52] <ScottK> matt3206_: General Ubuntu support is #ubuntu
[17:52] <jzy> anyone using nginx on ubuntu-server?
[17:52] <matt3206_> cool thanks
[17:52] <matt3206_> scott you ever heard of an NCC
[18:32] <mathiaz> hggdh: I've fixed the bug on the uec test rig
[18:32] <mathiaz> hggdh: and pushed it to my branch
[18:32] <mathiaz> hggdh: I've also merged your console output patch
[18:32] <mathiaz> hggdh: everything can be found at lp:~mathiaz/+junk/uec-testing-scripts
[18:32] <mathiaz> hggdh: could you mark your branch merged?
[18:34] <hggdh> mathiaz: ẁill do
[18:34] <hggdh> mathiaz: and I will update my local copy of your branch
[18:34] <hggdh> mathiaz: what was it?
[18:37] <hggdh> mathiaz: forget it, read the comments ;-)
[18:38] <hggdh> mathiaz: can I use the rig now?
[18:38] <mathiaz> hggdh: yes
[18:38] <hggdh> mathiaz: thank you
[19:07] <hggdh> ttx: I do not have access to the beta2 images from the rig, can I use the daily?
[19:10] <aaaccc> !search: german: No such pack or chat room
[19:12] <cemerick> is there any easier way to get the unlimited java policy files installed, short of going to oracle's site?
[19:12] <RoyK> cemerick: aren't those in the repository?
[19:13] <hggdh> nowadays I do not know, but Sun used to require you to get there and accept the conditions
[19:13] <cemerick> RoyK: not that I can see
[19:13] <cemerick> hggdh: they're totally unrestricted at this point *shrug*
[19:13] <RoyK> apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[19:16] <cemerick> RoyK: sheesh, not sure how else I would have found that.  Been googling for a while.  Thank you very much :-)
[19:18] <RoyK> that installs a bunch of stuff, though
[19:21] <cemerick> I can live with that vs. carrying around another couple of jars or automating a wget from somewhere. :-)
[19:26] <binBASH> Hi RoyK
[19:26] <RoyK> hi, shelly :)
[19:28] <smoser> mathiaz, ping
[19:29] <binBASH> Hi smoser
[19:29] <smoser> hey binBASH
[19:37] <cemerick> RoyK: that doesn't seem to actually include anything related to JCE -- just a metapackage that happens to include the sun jvm I think...
[19:37] <RoyK> comwhat is JCE?
[19:38] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ping!!
[19:38] <cemerick> java cryptography -- the API for using AES, etc
[19:38] <cemerick> if you want to use larger keys, etc., you need to have the "unlimited strength" crypto policy files installed.  These used to be export-controlled, but are now free and clear.
[19:38] <RoyK> oh - I'm not a java person, really, except for the blackish fluid, so I don't know - sorry
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, I just upgraded and libvirt seems to have broken something since I cannot launch any VM from virt-manager
[19:39] <binBASH> RoAkSoAx: Sounds like you're doomed :/
[19:39] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, it shows me something like: Error starting domain: could not remove profile for 'libvirt-f0530b2a-fe14-70cb-e036-7f50c06e2b67'
[19:39] <RoyK> is there something like a nice gui for kvm?
[19:40] <RoAkSoAx> binBASH, LoL i'm actually am... have a presentation later today and have to reinstall everything :'(
[19:40] <RoAkSoAx> RoyK, virt-manager?
[19:40] <RoyK> does that allow stuff like live migration?
[19:40] <RoyK> sorry - I'm on a slow link - asking too many questions :þ
[19:41] <binBASH> RoAkSoAx: I was doomed today. my Cloud Controller didn't show any free vms, neither totals. 6 hours later I noticed it was caused by a firewall rule :/
[19:42] <RoAkSoAx> binBASH, haha but in my case is totally local ;/
[19:42] <binBASH> RoyK: Maybe proxmox or abicloud, dunno if virt-manager does live migration.
[19:43] <binBASH> RoAkSoAx: Luckily I'm just testing, not productive yet :p
[19:43] <RoyK> heh - 25% of european air traffic is down... :)
[19:44] <RoyK> seems the Icelanders have made their payback for the finincial crisis
[19:44] <binBASH> hehe
[19:44] <binBASH> I read on a newspage that there will be a second erruption at another crate maybe.
[19:45] <binBASH> In history it was always like this...
[19:45] <RoyK> the bad thing is that Eyjafjallajökull has never erupted in known history (1200 years) without trigging Katla, which is the largest volcano in Iceland
[19:46] <binBASH> They wrote, maybe it could be like in a hollywood movie.
[19:46] <RoyK> the two eruptions so far are quite small
[19:46] <RoyK> if Katla wakes up, it'll be bad
[19:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, it is not even creating new VM's with same kind of error
[19:53] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, nevermind I just foudn the bug report :/ will have to wait till the fix is published
[21:11] <thebishop> hello
[21:12] <thebishop> got a question about nfs configuration.  I'd like for owner on the client side to appear as a different user than the owner on the host side.  is this possible?
[21:15] <alvin> thebishop: You want user mapping. I never did that, but I think it's possible. There's probably a config file for that kind of thing. (idmap?)
[21:17] <mathiaz> smoser: hi!
[21:17] <smoser> hey.
[21:17] <smoser> you've a mail from me, regarding server-dev team
[21:18] <alvin> apparently not idmapd.conf I just read the man page
[21:18] <mathiaz> smoser: yop - I'll reply to it
[21:18] <mathiaz> smoser: just discussed that with kirkland
[21:22] <alvin> thebishop: I found something for you. Look here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=552579
[21:23] <alvin> map_static. I have need of such a thing too. Just never got around to it until you asked your question.
[21:30] <ewook> mathiaz: and you'll get one from me soon, since I don't know what do do ;)
[21:31] <ttx> hggdh: the idea of the B2 test is to use the milestone to get a reference point...
[21:37] <hggdh> ttx: but we did go thru them when beta2 was being released (at this time I was still doing it in a way not to be hit by the issue)
[21:38] <hggdh> and I did use the beta2 ISO
[21:38] <ttx> hggdh: then you should mark them as done :)
[21:38] <hggdh> ttx: anyway -- the rig does not have access to archive.ubuntu.com
[21:38] <hggdh> ttx: so this should be considered -- how do we get it open to archive?
[21:38] <ttx> there is some redundancy in those items
[21:39] <hggdh> yes I thought so, but a list is a list...
[21:39] <ttx> there is one about candidate testing and one about milestone testing. Obviously the last candidate is also the milestone :)
[21:39] <hggdh> indeed
[21:40] <hggdh> but I am going thru them, anyway, using today's image
[21:40] <ttx> ok, feel free to mark those as done, with a note about having run only topo1
[21:41] <hggdh> ttx, I only did not run the multi on the last candidate
[21:41] <ttx> hggdh: I'll let you handle it, going to bed :)
[21:42] <ewook> aw man. my landscape trial just died out, without me even testing it once =(
[21:44] <hggdh> ttx: marked done (but still testing the daily ;-)
[21:44] <hggdh> ewook: it is interesting, been testing it
[21:46] <ewook> hggdh: oooh. what did you think of it?
[21:46] <kirkland> smoser: RoAkSoAx: sorry, been busy ... just catching up to backlog
[21:46] <kirkland> smoser: sponsoring 551847 now
[21:46] <smoser> ok
[21:47] <hggdh> ewook: seems really nice, only thing is to have mail filters set if you subscribe to all alerts
[21:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, np :), the fix was already in the archives but by the time It wasn't built yet, so I just build it locally and install it :)
[21:48] <hggdh> ewook: really nice to command selective updates remotely
[21:49] <ewook> hggdh: hurpf.. I'll try to beg for a new trial when I know I have time for it :)
[21:56] <kirkland> smoser: the patch at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/euca2ools/+bug/551847 does not apply cleanly to euca2ools in lucid
[21:56] <kirkland> smoser: please doctor accordingly
[21:56] <kirkland> smoser: neither hunk
[21:56] <smoser> what ?
[21:57] <smoser> i'll look at it
[21:58] <smoser> kirkland, it applies here to trunk of lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/eucalyptus/euca2ools
[21:59] <smoser> is that not where this should be going ?
[21:59] <kirkland> smoser: hrm
[21:59] <kirkland> smoser: what rev is head?
[22:00] <thebishop> alvin, the thing i'm consistently seeing about user masking is that it doesn't work
[22:00] <smoser> kirkland, 277
[22:00] <thebishop> if you have the UIDs don't match between host and client, inconvenient things can happen
[22:02] <alvin> That's why I make sure users have the same UID. It's a bit of a pain though. I have yet to try that masking so I can't say whether it works or not.
[22:04] <sandberg> I'm looking into bug #423252, but I'm afraid I'm stuck. Anyone feel like giving a hand, or just some hints?
[22:04] <smoser> kirkland, ^^
[22:05] <kirkland> smoser: bugger, i had a push fail
[22:05] <kirkland> smoser: no ...
[22:05] <kirkland> hmm
[22:05]  * kirkland starts over
[22:06] <smoser> i applied that both to your  ~coredev branch and to lp:ubuntu/lucid/euca2ools cleanly
[22:10] <kirkland> smoser: jeebus.  my fault.  trying to do too many things at once
[22:10] <kirkland> smoser: applies perfectly
[22:10] <kirkland> smoser: when i apply the right patch
[22:10] <kirkland> smoser: and use p0
[22:10] <kirkland> yeesh
[22:20] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay, good, so you're back on track with libvirt?
[22:21] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, you mean if its working correctly? Yes everything is working smoothly.
[22:23] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: cool
[22:24] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, btw I'm almost done with school so I'll be also be poking you about testdrive
[22:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/564075
[22:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: can you take a look at the dmesg output attached to that bug?
[22:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44314688/bug.txt
[22:28] <kirkland> jdstrand: there's an apparmor issue in the dmesg, it looks like
[22:28] <kirkland> jdstrand: but also a kernel bug
[22:28] <jdstrand> kirkland: have the person update to .21. jjohansen did a lot of work to fix some of these issues
[22:28] <kirkland> jjohansen: can you take a look at that stck trace to?
[22:29] <kirkland> jdstrand: ah
[22:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: jjohansen: bug updated
[22:30] <jdstrand> kirkland: also, make sure that the person has the latest libvirt ubuntu24 from today
[22:31] <jdstrand> kirkland: once the person has ubuntu24, virt-aa-helper denied reads are non-fatal (it is virt-aa-helper trying to see if the file has a backingstore-- something that a file in /dev/mapper won't)
[22:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: thanks
[22:33] <jdstrand> kirkland: what bug is that? is the xml available?
[22:33] <jjohansen> kirkland: interesting trace
[22:34] <kirkland> jdstrand: jjohansen: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/564075
[22:34] <jdstrand> ah 564075
[22:35] <jjohansen> kirkland: yeah I caught that
[22:36] <jdstrand> kirkland: actually, you can see in the dmesg that the denied messages were non-fatal: right after those, you get a profile_load of the VM-- that means virt-aa-helper did its job
[22:36] <jjohansen> I'm subscribed
[22:50] <arthurjohnson> If you have any servers running clamav, you might want to make sure its 0.95 or later.
[22:51] <arthurjohnson> I'm getting segfaults, causing a race condition, on my older mailservers.
[22:59] <hggdh> kirkland: got some failures on a stress test on euca
[22:59] <kirkland> hggdh: oh, interesting
[22:59] <kirkland> hggdh: bug filed?
[23:00] <hggdh> kirkland: not yet, just ended a stress on single, (in)famous topo2
[23:01] <hggdh> kirkland: trying to figure out how many different failures there were
[23:03] <kirkland> hggdh: pastebin the results somewhere that mathiaz and i can see them
[23:20] <hggdh> kirkland, mathiaz: http://people.canonical.com/~cerdea/single_test.log.2010-04-15_171304
[23:25] <kirkland> hggdh: is this against beta2, or today's archive?
[23:27] <kirkland> hggdh: also, what version of the kernel, qemu-kvm, and libvirt are on those NCs ?
[23:37] <hggdh> kirkland: all based on today's daily, 20100415
[23:37] <kirkland> hggdh: and the guest image?  same?
[23:37] <kirkland> smoser: around?
[23:39] <smoser> whats up kirkland
[23:39] <hggdh> kirkland: uec is also from 20100415
[23:39] <kirkland> smoser: did the newest kernel make it into today's uec image build?
[23:40] <kirkland> hggdh: smoser: in http://people.canonical.com/~cerdea/single_test.log.2010-04-15_171304, looks like 2.6.32-20-server
[23:40] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/20100415/ has manifests of whats in it
[23:40] <smoser> http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/lucid/20100415/lucid-server-uec-amd64.manifest
[23:40] <smoser> linux-image-2.6.32-20-virtual 2.6.32-20.30
[23:40] <kirkland> we should be testing 2.6.32-21-server at this point
[23:40] <kirkland> smoser: thanks
[23:40] <smoser> it pulls whatever is in the archive
[23:40] <kirkland> smoser: timing issue then
[23:40] <kirkland> smoser: can you push the button that says "make a new uec image now" ?
[23:41] <smoser> i can. the whole thing takes 2 hours or so
[23:41] <smoser> it will organically pop out in about 5 or 6
[23:41] <hggdh> then we can wait for tomorrow's
[23:41] <smoser> so pushing button now saves 2
[23:41] <smoser> err 4.
[23:43] <smoser> yesterdays' thing was published at 03:39:14 UTC
[23:43] <smoser> so, right at 5 hours from now


[13:45] <realtime-neil> What's the ubiquity equivalent for `d-i partman-efi/non_efi_system boolean true` ? That is, how do I force the installation of a UEFI-bootable system in all cases?
[14:36] <xnox> bionic ubiquity does not do that, focal one does.
[14:36] <xnox> realtime-neil:  you must boot in UEFI mode, to install in UEFI
[14:37] <xnox> realtime-neil:  why are you booting in bios, instead of UEFI?
[14:37] <xnox> it's trivial to boot in UEFI with either baremetal or VMs, on Ubuntu.
[14:37] <realtime-neil> Because some of my co-workers can't find the "EFI" checkbox in VirtualBox.
[14:38] <xnox> realtime-neil:  and? what's the point in install in UEFI mode, if they failed to find the checkbox and will not boot in uefi mode.....
[14:38] <xnox> realtime-neil:  why are you not sharing prebuild virtualbox machines with them, and making isos?
[14:39] <xnox> realtime-neil:  you do know that Ubuntu publishes virtualboxes directly, that one can download and customize in-place, or on first boot with cloud-init?
[14:39] <xnox> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/
[14:39] <xnox> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/
[14:41] <realtime-neil> xnox: regarding the always-UEFI, because business reasons; regarding the virtualbox images, I really don't want to wed myself to any VM manager that isn't qemu/kvm but I have to support lots of VM methods; regarding published virtualboxen, is it really possible to cloud-init-customize a BIOS vbox to a UEFI vbox?
[14:42] <realtime-neil> xnox: if Focal does what I want, how does it do that?
[14:43] <xnox> all our cloud-images are prebuilt as hybrid UEFI with secureboot or BIOS
[14:43] <xnox> on amd64
[14:44] <xnox> realtime-neil:  it has ubiquity & partman fixes to always create ESP parition with secureboot, shim and grub. I do not believe it's available in bionic.
[14:44] <xnox> i'm not sure why you are customizing bionic from scratch. instead of customizing focal desktop iso.
[14:44] <xnox> they both use ubiquity, and are the same, but there are most of the things you are after fixed in focal already.
[14:44] <xnox> i.e. better hybrid ubiquity/partman-efi, etc.
[14:45] <realtime-neil> xnox: because business reasons and support and people paying money; also, supporting BIOS firmware via hybrid things isn't really what I need; foisting a UEFI installation in all possible cases is what I need.
[14:46] <realtime-neil> xnox: if you have a magic xorriso incantation that will produce a UEFI-only bootable *.iso, then I'm definitely interested
[14:47] <xnox> drop any references to mbr boot / isolinux etc. and just keep the things that add ESP
[14:48] <xnox> realtime-neil:  https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu/view/head:/tools/boot/groovy/boot-arm64#L32
[14:48] <xnox> is how we create arm64 UEFI only .iso
[14:48] <xnox> it should work for amd64 UEFI only .iso too
[14:48] <realtime-neil> excellent
[14:49] <xnox> yeah, cause "simply" doing partman-efi force uefi install, when installer booted in bios mode will usually not help. as most often the system one installed will continue to try to boot in bios mode. you really do want to boot installer in uefi mode, if uefi is all you want to support.
[14:50] <xnox> *s/one/once
[14:57] <realtime-neil> xnox: Oh, I was fine having media that, having booted from BIOS, then deposits an as-yet-unbootable installation. My main goal is to prevent anything thusly deposited from being BIOS-booted. A BIOS complaining for lack of bootable media following a successful installation is a happy result for me.
[14:58] <realtime-neil> What I must _not_ have, is a MBR on my product --- again for business and money concerns.
[15:38] <xnox> realtime-neil:  i see. but i thing given those constraints your installer media should not have bios bits either, and should not be bios bootable either.
[15:38] <xnox> realtime-neil:  i.e. hard fail if [ -d /sys/firmware/efi/efivars ] is not there
[15:40] <realtime-neil> xnox: you're entirely correct --- which is why I'm currently stripping the `-isohybrid-mbr "/usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isohdpfx.bin"` out of my little `mkiso` script
[15:40] <realtime-neil> xnox: where would that check for sysfs efivars go? I can't get ubiquity to run my preseed/early_command
[15:43] <xnox> because it is done "differently"
[15:43] <xnox> You can use preseed/early_command with the live CD; it will be run by "casper" (the component which sets up a live environment at boot time) from the initramfs. Please note that, if you want to affect files in the live environment, this means that you must prefix their filenames with /root.
[15:43] <xnox> so it should be executing, but it will be executing in the intird, when nothing is booted mounted yet
[15:44] <xnox> realtime-neil:  dunno, modify something on filesystem.squashfs to fail boot. I.e. add a systemd unit that checks for that and thus fails the boot.
[15:49] <realtime-neil> xnox: executing from the initrd is fine; as long as I can print an ugly message to the terminal
[16:04] <xnox> i dont' think efivars is mounted from initrd.
[16:04] <xnox> but not sure
[16:04] <xnox> so you might need to attempt to mount it, and if it fails, explode
[18:39] <realtime-neil> xnox: it might be moot; I just ripped out everything from `-isohybrid-mbr` to `-eltorito-alt-boot` and it's working great; i.e., qemu seabios doesn't see it, but qemu ovmf does
[18:41] <realtime-neil> once i dd it to a USB stick, the AMI firmware on my testbox recognizes it as a "UEFI USB CD/DVD"; which is exactly what I was going for
[19:31] <xnox> horay!
[22:24] <Norm_42> Hi I'm very new to linux but i'm need to get the oem "out of box setup" to allow the user to setup a static network config (IP, mask, dns, gateway).  I am trying to modify the oem-config/ubiquity setup that is already on the rootfs for the nVidia jetson nano.
[22:27] <Norm_42> The text setup that uses the debconf_ui asks the networking questions, but the GUI based setup doesn't.  Is there an easy way to turn this on?  Does it already exist in the gtk_ui and I just need to enable it somehow?
[22:28] <Norm_42> Anyway I hope some kind soul can help me or point me somewhere where I might ask...
[22:36] <xnox> Norm_42:  if you have gtk ui, users are simply expected to login, and use network-manager ui to configure static network.
[22:37] <xnox> Norm_42:  there is no "guided" graphical ux for netwroking as part of first-boot user configuration
[22:43] <Norm_42> Thanks, this is supposed to be an unattended device that you config once.  I was hoping to ditch the GUI and just go with the text setup but I couldn't figure out how to prevent the messages that were coming to the console from interfering with the debconf_ui
[22:43] <Norm_42> After configuring the device the user is never supposed to have to login
[23:04] <xnox> Norm_42:  why do you have gui? why do you have oem-config? why are you not using cloud-image and configure it non-interactively with cloud-init?
[23:05] <xnox> Norm_42: did you boot quiet and/or change tty, or force debconf_ui oem-config to own the console? (whichever is the right console for you)


[06:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4699 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination
[10:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- paelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4700 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination


[07:06] <KombuchaKip> Off topic, but how do I set the default language of my LP project so that the message catalog template isn't marked as "0%" translated when it's already in the native language?
[07:26] <vila> KombuchaKip: Sorry, no idea about that but may be #launchpad is more appropriate ?


[00:11] <paultag> Ah, issue resolved, thank, czajkowski (etc!)
[00:15] <ajmitch> paultag: darn, did I miss the chance to own the team? :)
[00:15] <paultag> yep :)
[00:15] <paultag> at least edit it :)
[00:15] <paultag> I'm not sure what else :)
[00:15] <ajmitch> probably not a lot, really
[00:16] <ajmitch> you filed/found a bug about the token not being expired after use?
[00:16] <paultag> it's expired now, so someone fixed it
[00:16] <paultag> ajmitch: now i've got a better problem :)
[00:16] <ajmitch> yeah, but it could happen for other teams
[00:16] <paultag> aye
[00:16] <paultag> if oyu google search for the token url, oodles show up
[00:16] <paultag> and some were valid when I tested it
[00:17] <ajmitch> disturbing
[00:17] <paultag> ajmitch: bzr git import is now blowing up on git signed tags - I just re-made the branch, I'll get you logs in a skitch
[00:17] <ajmitch> I doubt I can help with that
[00:17] <wgrant> There's no way around that
[00:17] <paultag> :'(
[00:18] <paultag> Wellp, end-goal is recipies, so I s'pose I can bring back my dput-every-night-bot
[00:27] <washuu_de> dobey: Tnx. I wonder why all documentation links go to lauchpad. Ubuntu should separate user problems and bugs.
[00:27] <wgrant> washuu_de: Launchpad is a project hosting service that Ubuntu uses to track bugs, user questions, and other things
[00:28] <washuu_de> But... Is unsufficient or too-well-hidden documentation a launchpad matter? Or 'ubuntu?
[00:29] <washuu_de> I'm always sent to launchpad... That can't be right.
[00:29] <wgrant> Sent from where?
[00:30] <wgrant> Launchpad doesn't store Ubuntu documentation, but Ubuntu does use our support tracker (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu)
[00:30] <wgrant> But we're just a hosting service. The content is the reponsibility of the Ubuntu community
[00:35] <washuu_de> I can't document that right now. I usually click a link and "whoops" I'm in Lauchpad again.
[00:38] <washuu_de> wgrant: It is the links. But I can't pinpoint them right now. I'll look into my history (browser et al...) tomorrow. T'is sleeping time ,here.
[00:39] <washuu_de> tnx for your attention anyway
[00:45]  * washuu_de is away: Till tomorrow...
[02:54] <tao> hello
[02:54] <tao> Is there anybody online
[02:55] <tao> I have some questions on Linaro gcc's simd features
[03:02] <wgrant> tao: You probably want to ask in a Linaro channel
[03:03] <wgrant> This channel is for the Launchpad.net project hosting site
[03:07] <tao> yes. wgrant
[03:09] <tao> but I don't know how to find that channel
[03:10] <mwhudson> tao: #linaro is probably a good first guess :)
[03:10] <mwhudson> but it'll be pretty quiet now
[03:49] <tao> ok, thank you very much
[16:20] <pinky> Hi! I received an email from launchpad saying "A new OAuth token consumer was enabled in Launchpad" and that if I didn't make the change I should contact someone on this channel
[16:20] <pinky> czajkowski: is that going to be you that I should contact?
[16:20] <czajkowski> pinky: yup
[16:21] <czajkowski> pinky: can you file a question on lp please with the details
[16:21] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[16:22] <pinky> czajkowski: sure can
[16:22] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:24] <pinky> czajkowski: #218958 if you are interested. thanks.
[16:27] <czajkowski> pinky: looking now
[16:27] <pinky> ta
[16:28] <czajkowski> pinky: doing anyting lately
[16:28] <czajkowski> adding new device for 2FA ?
[16:28] <czajkowski> adding U1 to a machine?
[16:28] <pinky> czajkowski: nope. new 2FA about a week ago
[16:28] <pinky> but that's it
[16:41] <czajkowski> pinky: resolved.
[16:51] <pinky> czajkowski: cool, thanks
[17:14] <mgz> czajkowski: perversely the same traceback as bug 884327
[17:14] <mgz> and ubot5 is smart, thanks ubot5
[17:15] <czajkowski> lol
[17:15] <mgz> so, the problem is that builder is using bzr 2.4.0
[17:15] <mgz> which doesn't have the fix for that issue
[17:19] <czajkowski> ah
[17:20] <mgz> I'm not sure how, if ever, we'll get the packages used on the builders updated
[17:20] <mgz> we've wanted the new bzr-builddeb on them forever so recipe v4 with all the nice new features would work
[17:20] <czajkowski> is this somewhere in a RT ?
[17:21] <mgz> I think so, but would need to poke jelmer to find out.
[17:21] <czajkowski> mgz: if you can find out and assign me the ticket I'l follow up with IS and see if I can make any headway on it
[17:21] <czajkowski> please
[17:23] <mgz> czajkowski: rt #46345
[17:24] <mgz> got bogged down because IS were making jelmer backport the entire universe to hardy
[17:24] <mgz> hopefully they have a less insane path for upgrade now
[17:24] <czajkowski> mgz: cheers
[17:25] <czajkowski> ah it's one of them RTS
[17:25] <czajkowski> I need to ope and come back to it later once it's loaded
[17:25] <mgz> (universe as in hyperbole, not as in the repository universe)
[17:25] <czajkowski> lordie
[17:31]  * maxb would make some sort of snide comment, except for still running quite a few Debian etch servers. glass houses, stones...
[17:31] <maxb> Backporting python2.7 to etch was amusing
[17:32] <czajkowski> heh
[19:03] <paultag> Heyya LP! :)
[19:03] <paultag> https://launchpad.net/debian-project ← what's up with this guy?
[19:26]  * washuu_de is back (gone 00:02:30)
[19:53] <czajkowski> paultag: that user no longer uses lp
[19:53] <dobey> or never did?
[19:54] <czajkowski> or that
[19:54] <paultag> OK
[21:27] <tgs3> hello. why would username of user https://launchpad.net/~opensource-m3  not match the name visible in the url after ~ ?
[21:30] <mapreri> tgs3: Which proof do you have to say this?
[21:38] <czajkowski> tgs3: display name is different from the LP id
[22:50] <tgs3> czajkowski: well in short, how to set own ~name ?
[22:50] <tgs3> LP id is the part in url after ~ ?
[22:57] <dobey> typically you choose your username when you create an account
[23:07] <wgrant> tgs3: https://launchpad.net/~/+edit
[23:07] <wgrant> You can change it there


[00:25] <ubports_bot> Project daily-hammerhead build #327: SUCCESS in 11 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-hammerhead/327/
 Good job, bot.
[00:27] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1044: SUCCESS in 1 min 53 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1044/
 @UniversalSuperBox, Good job, Dalton.
 @mariogrip, Hey, read the message 9 messages up from here
 @UniversalSuperBox, browser pushed to devel, not to rc yet.
 what
 anyone with nexus 7 or nexus 4 in here that can help me do some testing?
 cough @wayneoutthere
 yeah!
 i'lm like YOUR MAN man
 Now kith @mariogrip
 hit me.  hit me hard
 my phone is liek messed up hoooped bug master
 so anything should help it
 oh! if you give me a second and i'll push a new something to devel
 awesome cakes
 so then I re-flasth it/
 ?
 if you are on devel, a update would be fine
 i'm on rc
 N4
 As soon as ubports_bot says ota_push is don... yeah, you'll have to reflash
 ok cool
 @UniversalSuperBox, jep!
 @wayneoutthere, does it have wifi?
 yep
 jep*
 then channel switch
 @mariogrip, i mean jep
 how?
 still reflash right?
 settings -> update -> Uodate settings -> Channels -> select development
 thx
 But wait
 until after ubports_bot tells us the goods
 @UniversalSuperBox, it's fine if he switches before, he just need to update again when the bot tell him to do so
 i wont'
 but  my update settings aren't where you say
 unless on updates screen there is a secret finger swipe I have to do to make it go to update settings
 i gave it the middle finger and it didn't help..
 are you on the latest rc?
 i think... i did it from the ubports site with that sudo code
 ok, then we need to do a manuall flash if thats fine
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \ … —channel=15.04/devel —bootstrap
 that's what I did but i did 'rc'
 ok i'll find my usb
 'oh usb! usb! wherefore art thou??'
 green robot on operating table.  Chest is open.  Awaiting command SIR!
 terminal open! … sudo scalpel in hand!
 make me proud Gripsgarden!
[00:51] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1045: SUCCESS in 52 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1045/
 gogogogo :D
 yaaaaahoooo@!!@!!!!
 wait!
 what channel?
 devel
 that sounds... scary. but ok
 ok. where are my horse race soudns??
 anything @wayneoutthere ?
 i was doing bookkeeping.. but something pink is showing up
 setup screen
 ohoho
 merry christmas?
 soon tm
 -_-
 cool. ok im in
 tell me what you want me to do.
 browesr with ball earth.
 neat
 @wayneoutthere, test it all
 ok thanks
 try the things that was broken before
 ok then, someone with a magic nexus 7? :D
 ok whre do you want bug reports
 github is best
[01:07] <tgBot10> Muyeezus was added by: Muyeezus
 here is some great news: video camera WORKING
 :)
 ok i'll try
 wait!
 the 'report a bug' thing is supposed to be right with the device on get-ubuntu-touch but it's not
 @UniversalSuperBox we need to fix this bug right away.  remmeber that screenshot I sent way back?
 What?
 i'll try to find....
 (Photo, 1171x960) https://irc.ubports.com/tFcl55g8/file_651.jpg
 that red circle is still missing and I"m left to go 'uhhhh... git hub... report bug... where..."
 Oh. Interesting.
 so while we are fixing that one for everyone... maybe someone knows where on git hub?
 github.com/ubports/ubports-touch
 @wayneoutthere, that is the old device page, this is the new one https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 @mariogrip, He knows, silly
 https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
 that's where i'm pulling fro
 @UniversalSuperBox, thanks
 Also, if you have some downtime @mariogrip, I hear that devices.ubports.com needs to be gimped
 great! music player working on N4
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Anc8UXDj/file_652.mp4
 the ringer works!!
 it's like... a phone!~
 now... what was the decision for where I should install telegram from?
 OpenStore
 open store.. ubn...thanks
 marius.  did you do all these bug fixes today??? haha  wow.  it's nearly working pefect
 telegram bugs seem gone now too
 i'm removing your #audiocast ban from 6 months back to 3
 @wayneoutthere, 3 month :P
 -s
 next test - Dekko 2!
 i love open store becuase you just simple start installing stuff
 we should make a skull and crossbones app and call it 'the bricker'
 naaaaah
 when someone bugs us here (like me) you can have tech support tell them to install the bricker
 but for real so far so good marius
 Very soon (tm) I'll have a oneplus one to play with... Any chance to have a good Ubports on it? How is at the moment?
 The camera and GPS work now!
 @deedend, Eveything works on that device :)
 Oh good!!
 @wayneoutthere, good to hear :)
 having issues making my IMAP emai work so I think i'm doiugn something wrong but the gmail email worked (so much irony) for the test
 Eventually! I was hoping to be able to try Ubuntu on phone since Canonical announced it in 2011
 @deedend, sweet! this will be a good week for yiou then
 you will never go back
 the N4 is acting MUCH quicker now.
 this behaviour that I sometimes see when the keyboard doesnt' pop up.. this is realted to system and multiple windows, right?  It seems to rsolve when i right swipe and scroll through other open apps and come back...
 @wayneoutthere, yeah, this is a known issue on all devices
 👍
 will start looking into that after ota2 is out
 le me doing million of things at the same time :D
 no prob just checking to make sure i don't file it for N4
 @wayneoutthere, 👍
 anyone now which of the github dekko things is the dekko 2 page?
 It's on gitlab, isn't it?
 dont know.  i had a small bug i was going to report before i forget but can't seem to find it..
 hey! cool. i didn't now nextcloud calendar still syncs with ubuntu touch calendar.  nice!
 i have my phone almost back to where canonical left it and better..
 ok i have to take off but amazing work, guys, thanks Marius.
 Any credibility of this news??? … http://www.techvillz.com/2017/09/gnome-partners-purism-to-build-librem-5-linux-smartphone.html?m=1
 @hawk_is_here, What's wrong with that?
 There is nothing wrong...
 But strange
 KDE have their own plasma project
 It's unfortunate that those jokers don't contact ubports...
 Maybe we should reach out to them
 @kz6fittycent, I think we should have tried
 They have a promising Capital inflow
 Let's see
 I'll do it...I ain't scared. Just need the permission and bullet points. @UniversalSuperBox
 @hawk_is_here, Yes but with a GNU/Linux base is possible to swap between more "desktop" manager, like on the desktop world, according to what Purism says
 @kz6fittycent, They said that they'd be willing to entertain our software on their phone in a tweet.
 https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/909488108281921537
 @kz6fittycent, gotta say i always agree with this
 Well, they contacted KDE. There's actually a business behind KDE
 whoever the N4 people are here, just wanted to say probably goold idea if you reflash to wahtever update @mariogrip did on the devel channel. Working *really * well compared to usual
 Purism is committed to creating all of the phone pieces that they need with GNOME and GTK, though. I think that'll delay the shipment. We'll just have to see.
 @UniversalSuperBox, I seriously don't understand this OS business...
 How do people earn money...
 I have no business trying to reason that out. :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, Hahahahaha... that was just a statement... not a question this time
[04:27] <ubports_bot> Project vivid-rootfs-armhf build #134: SUCCESS in 9.1 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/vivid-rootfs-armhf/134/
[04:27] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1046: SUCCESS in 0.48 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1046/
 @UniversalSuperBox, I reckon that is because of that that they have partnered with KDE, to bring plasma mobile (that is in a more advanced stage of development) on the Librem 5 and ship in time
 What I see on the plasma mobile website seems to be far behind from what Ubuntu touch and you guys have reached.
 so is plasma maybe fully FOSS but UT not?
 could that be the reason why they partnered with plasma and not us?
 @bastos777, Ubuntu Touch having failed their first chance really badly it seems logical to want to avoid association
 I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but Canonical blew it, Ubuntu Touch was released way before it was useable at all
 So it ruined the public image of UT
[06:09] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, Hi Peter, try to use my translations, I do so with yours, it helps a lot. Just add Czech in Weblate settings
[06:14] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/pMD0e8Wj/file_654.jpg
[06:15] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Click on: Spravujte svoje jazyky
[06:15] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/WPmH1LfD/file_656.jpg
[06:18] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> It will open the above window and add czech in Alternativní jazyky
 (Photo, 317x373) https://irc.ubports.com/zz9qrPpw/file_658.jpg :) do you mean like this? :D
 I got that, but it was just too much for yesterday night :)
[06:21] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Yes, ok
 @thepeter, ...Wait, do I read that right, something is in the translation system that shouldn't be translated? Why the hell is it not marked as untranslatable :/
 youknow 759 phrases is too much to star at midnight with 😅 it will have to wait until this late evening again 😂
 @Lorxu, that is just translators life 😁 we just deal with  it this way
[06:25] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Yes it is hard, my wife is constantly asking me what am I doing on phone 🙃
 @thepeter, Sure, but it means a dev messed up
 And knowingly messed up and did something stupid instead of, well, fixing it properly
 @Milan Korecky, I know exactly what you mean :) that's why I do it just from time to time, and was so happy to see everything was done before
[06:27] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Some words, like the hotspot one, I keep them in English, it is better
 @Lorxu, it is too many words to request fix on ... so we just copy paste them and go for those which makes sense ... and maybe in other languages they translate it differently ...
[06:28] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> It happened to me also, with open store, thanks to you I realize I am not finished
 @Milan Korecky, yeah expecially the hotspot I was pointing out that the name itself should be changed - since it is tethering service and not hotspot (just btw 🤠)
[06:33] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I agree, tethering would be better, maybe @Flohack could change IT in originál Englisch, I will change in Czech
 @Milan Korecky, yep he knows already, I've put it into OTA 3 requests 😀😃😄😁😁
 Has UBports Spanish support (translation)?
[06:36] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> If you find something else, just ping me pls.
 @Lorxu, Well, some languages may not use the anglicism and prefer to translate it. Especially if they don't use the Latin alphabet
 @Lorxu, you know, more messed up is that on not switched device i have all system-settings translated into my language, and in weblate there is version which didn't have even my language created, that is more serius issue to fix 🙃
 @patrix0, Yep: translate.ubports.com
[06:38] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Sakra, I should look at weblate and check it also
 @neothethird, I'm talking about a string that would break things if translated because it's a key, that seemed to be the translator note.
 (Sticker, 314x512) https://irc.ubports.com/HP1qd0qQ/file_659.webp
 (Photo, 350x200) https://irc.ubports.com/9qYQC7ob/file_661.jpg GNOME Foundation Gives its Backing to Purism’s Linux Phone … https://goo.gl/vM9w2m
 @patrix0, Is GNOME present in UBports OS?
 @Milan Korecky, system settings you have clear, but maybe check other modules ...
 @Lorxu, oh, i'm sorry, didn't get that. Yes, that's bad behavior :D
 @patrix0, Nothing visible UI wise, like GNOME shell but some of their stuff is used in the lower levels
 @patrix0, what's their logic? first KDE, now GNOME ...
 Well they were always going to use GNOME just didn't ahve the foundation on board
 oh ...ok
 Morning. The convergence on mu oneplus one, is not working.... ?
 Mu is my...
 @thepeter, They have always said that they are open to every FLOSS project, KDE or Gnome or wathever, not only one... That's their logic I guess
[07:27] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @deedend, @mariogrip 'everything works' is maybe a little bit too optimistic 😅. At least flash light, automatic brightness and mtp are not working on r143. I'll file a few bug reports this evening. Just flashed yesterday from lineage as the main blocker for me (cam) is fixed. 👍
 Hello. I'm russian slowpoke
 ду ю спик рашен?
 @Darren Shipp, да )
 Велком )
 @reliable1, :)
 Да много тут русских - шифруются только
 Ничего себе
 @reliable1, I've red that before I think do I? :)
[07:39] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @Flohack Hello, pls can you confirm: 1 Dekko, 2 OpenStore, 12 Core apps at Weblate for translation? Thanks.
 @Milan Korecky, oh ... I count 11 together with system-settings from ubports ... do doesn't sound good
 @Milan Korecky, I see the same
 (Photo, 382x594) https://irc.ubports.com/y9f0h40M/file_663.jpg okay... so which one I am missing then?
 ubports/ubports-app
 https://translate.ubports.com/projects/ubports/ubports-app/
[08:17] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Yes ubports app is the one
[08:19] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> The hardest one for translating
[08:23] <ubports_bot> Project daily-fp2 build #345: SUCCESS in 13 min: http://ci.ubports.com/job/daily-fp2/345/
[08:24] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1047: SUCCESS in 1 min 4 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1047/
[08:26] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Something that sound in English absolutely fine translated to Czech sounds little to much pathetic ☀
[08:27] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> But why not
 Things usually sound bad in whatever language you translate to, Unfortunately.
 @Lorxu, How do you know that Hotspot is untranslatable? In some languages they might have a word for it. For example WiFi in German it is more common to use WLAN
 @Flohack, Because that seems to be the translator note in the screenshot...
 For as far as I can read it, which is why I explicitly say "Wait, do I read that right"
 @Flohack, WLAN isn't the actual word, is it? That sounds really uncomfortable to say lol.
 And translators seemed to have confirmed that, yes, I did read it right
 @Milan Korecky, I dont know. If you say so :)
 @Lorxu, Oh sorry yes i see now ;)
 @Schyken, We pronounce it like W€lan - e like in energy
 its very comfortable actually
 @Flohack, Ah! That's really interesting. Cool! :D
 Waylan
 @Lorxu, Waylaaaand? @wayneoutthere
 I'm still waiting until I can run Wayland on a Linux laptop. Drivers, ugh.
 It's still only my watch...
 "Personal hotspot" is what my wife's iPhone says. What do Apple use for their translation?
 @alan_griffiths, probably Wireless Fruits Network :P
 WFN
[08:39] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> We have to ask are wife's , we do not have. They are expensive family members
 @DanChapman Milan oh cool, I always liked challenges 😅but this I won't make up to saturday obviously 😃
[08:44] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> OK, my wife confirms personnel hotspot
[08:45] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> My daughter with android has tethering
 oh it's just 25 phrases ... 521 word ... well maybe ... will see
 @Milan Korecky, tethering is official name for technology AFAIK
 and slovak tech magazines (printed) uses that :)
[08:51] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> It looks like hot spot is when you want to connect and tethering when you want to share with somebody else your own data connection
[08:52] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Hot spot is The place with wifi free
[08:53] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> Cafeteria , restaurant
 @Milan Korecky, I am checking it ... yeah it sound like the '80 to me (no offense please :) ) especially the ubports-app 😃
[08:54] <tgBot10> Maximilian Laule was added by: Maximilian Laule
 @Maximilian Laule, welcome
[08:55] <tgBot10> <Maximilian Laule> Thank you! 🙂
[09:00] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, My last  Weblate version was not yet updated to the app so follow only Weblate one, your feedback is welcome Peter
 @Flohack, Wahahaa
 Hi guys. … Anyone is experiencing isues with all webapps and webbrowser in RC R4? … I can't open any of these since tonight, when I upgraded to R4. I tried to reboot but it still happens.
 my device is E4.5
 @neothethird, I have an oneplus one, what can I do to help... With OTA2
 @j2g2rp this bug is reported for rc, seems to be fixed on devel branch
 Since I lost part of the conversation during the night, @wayneoutthere, can you tell me if the bad bugs about sound and network were fixed on mako?
 @j2g2rp, see https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/247
 @lduboeuf, Thankyou Lionel, i didn't know if it was reported or not or it was a problem with my image.
 Hi all
 Can anyone tell me how to use ubports-installer? Because when I try to run the AppImage I get  … ```./ubports-installer-0.1.6-beta-x86_64.AppImage  … bash: ./ubports-installer-0.1.6-beta-x86_64.AppImage: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error```
 While when I try to build from source I don't know what to execute then
 Hello everyone, finally got a Nexus 5 :)
 @bhdouglass, Where is the translate link?
 I am trying to install Ubuntu but it says "recovery mode : NOT FOUND" but I am in the Ubports Recovery, is it normal (like a known bug ?)
[10:15] <tgBot10> AQLIVE was added by: AQLIVE
 @AQLIVE, welcome
 thanks a lot
 If I am not at the right place juste tell me :)
 It us the right place.
 usually you get quick response.
 have you tried to install with the magic device tool?
 or are you on windows and installing with the UBport ttool?
 both CPT and this one
 Ubuntu
 MDT has a separate telegram group
 Cool, where is it ?
 After installing MDT on your desktop and launched the..sh   .sh it should be announced.
 Got it, thanks
 tg://join?invite=AAAAAAiC4TTYHRddjUbpXg
 Thank you for everything. See you later for dev maybe :)
 Welcome and have as much fun with your UT device as i have since may as my daily driver.
 Thank you, I will probably contribute to the project as I am an IT student since years (almost done !)
 This would be great!
 @sorcier777, great! good luck, as well as with your studies! 🙂
 Thank you, I am in France bye the way.
 I am only a fighting for privacy as a precondition for democracy nerd and no developer.
 and it is 12:41 and still didn't eat
 (this explain maybe the "bye the way" mistake lol)
 so I try to support UT as much as I can, but development is the core contribution one can provide.
 I am German but currently in france too.
 What's a coincidence :)
 you have a really great country!
 Well, yes, but you don't know anything about it :)
 I see this 😍 :
 Especially now, if your disagree with the government, you shouldn't be to much activist because you will regret it.
 "Fight against terrorism" has finally destroyed a lot of our rights
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/nUpPbtGo/file_665.jpg
 But, yes, it is a beatifull country :)
 You're lucky to be there, here in East it is not the same weather :D
 Yes freedom against security.
 I am with franklin the former us president who said, if you give up freedom for security reasons you deserve none of both...
 Well, you know, if you plan to organise some sort of undesired action to protest against something, now, you can easily be raided (and not softly) and under house arrest for months.
 @wayneoutthere, Wow! he really did black magic! Now music and network is working properly! Thank you @mariogrip
 Even if you just distribute leaflets on the road.
 Well, it is absolutelly off topic, let's go back to UBports
 that is one of the reasons for me to promote and use promote gnu Linux, UT and matrix.org
 @Milan Korecky, Seems to work a bit better now
 Ok, going to dinner, bye :)
 @sorcier777, I've studied in France half a year while on Erasmus :) but yep keep up to the topic 😄😁
 It is not so much off topic. AFAIK there are mainly two reasons for people to be here. 1. -my main reason btw- privacy respecting free and full featured mobile os. 2. Convergence.
 Did really the government can force us to put a backdoors in our applications ?
 Our off topic chat is lightning out a little bit the first aspect.
 I mean, if I make a lossless compression program, is it considered as "encryption" ?
 @Milan Korecky, for the GPL licencing text have you tranlated it manually or was there available example? (cause we don't have approved GPL slovak licence )
 how much time does it take to backup  an OPO and install Ubuntu Touch on it?
 @thepeter, oh I'll just use the text from GIMP :D
 @mariogrip, I've a nexus7 (flo) here...
 Anyone has a Nexus 5 ? What should I do when I see the wite Google logo and the litle opened panlock ?
 Ok seems to be waiting an no more :D
 reads to me like it's tryoing to boot normally but gets stuck.
 @sorcier777, padlock tells you its unlocked
 Otherwise should come up with our boot anmiation sooner or later
 I've flashed the rc channel on my opo(bacon) after I read that camera and video were fixed. I did it via Ubuntu-device-flash and got ota 1. Am I missing something? Is there any other way to install the image where camera and videos are working?
 @sorcier777, it happened to me as well, I thought it was stuck, but no
 https://ubports.com/forum/wiki-2/question/release-channels-6
 sudo system-image-cli —switch [channel name]
 You can switch channels without having to reinstall
 @jakko, Install the latest rc and test it. In the blog post you'll find a testing plan
 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/road-to-ota-2-75
 @neothethird, Okay....sorry ...I read it very quickly....thx...
 Haha, np
 Everyone can still help: https://nc.ubports.com/s/VUiW8rZnOR2hMYg
 @neothethird, yeah I'll do my best with missing sk translation for system-settings module for now
 but no promisses. you know
[12:12] <tgBot10> Galhi was added by: Galhi
[12:16] <tgBot10> Germo Veltmaat was added by: Germo Veltmaat
 Couldn't find my language in https://translate.ubports.com/accounts/profile/#languages is there any way to add
 @Galhi, Dhivehi (maldivian)
 @Galhi, yes, register and you can add language
[12:38] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @Jujuyeh, It depends 😬 Yesterday it took me approx. 1h to backup photos and some app settings and flash UT.
[12:40] <tgBot10> Esc476 was added by: Esc476
 welcome
 Thanks.
 @bastos777, Is Convergence already available for FP2 ? Or do we have to wait for the connecting device being developped by marius?
[12:48] <tgBot10> Mubashshir7 was added by: Mubashshir7
 @Mubashshir7, welcome
 any ubuntu rom for Mote e Condor
 @Mubashshir7, see list of supported devices https://ubports.com/page/get-ubuntu-touch
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[13:16] <tgBot10> tembleking was added by: tembleking
 buenaas
 I'm gonna install ubports in a few minutes
 on my OPO
 do you have any advise?
 @tembleking, In case you need help tg://join?invite=AAAAAAiC4TTYHRddjUbpXg
 @tembleking, I would recomend the rc channel
 @sorcier777, thanks, joined
 @sorcier777, what is this tool for?
 Flashing and installing
 @mariogrip, ty
 @sorcier777, k, a friend is gonna help me through the process, I don't feel quite confident about doing it by myself, don't wanna brick it
 mdt is pretty safe
 okay thanks
 and if I flash it and install ubports, is any chance to get back my android in case I need it?
 also no dual boot yet right?
 You should ask on the mdt chan
 thaks
 @Lorxu, i think worse than that was the fact that they didn't do *much more* to make sure UBports was rolling well. I ranted about this in #audiocast
 @Flohack, lol
 @Milan Korecky, your daughter has android???  hmmmmm
 LOL
 @wayneoutthere, When a company layoff 100 persons, i guess management doesn't really care about the project they were working on.
 @garrogarri, awesome, eh???
 @sorcier777, not off topic... problem is... where do we discuss? Let's fix that bug... ping me on the side...
[14:00] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, Yes, but she envy my Ubports , I promised her one when all study will be perfect, ubports is not for everybody!!!
[14:01] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I am very strict father
 @Milan Korecky, good. you will save her from the powers of googles tentacles then ;)
 question... about CPT tool: … So... it does the main core devices, but at what point and how are new devices added to the CPT tool?   … And what is the benchmark for a device becoming "core" … I'm just wondering because the N4 now seems to be pretty awesome and stable (on devel channel) so can it be added to CPT tool somehow?
 @Milan Korecky, until she finds out there's no snapchat 🙈
 man.. i just don't know what to say.  it's a hard topic.  i just love my old memories of NO ONE having a camera.  We used to print pictures once per year or so.  That was it.
 i was invited to a birthday party, and the invitation was printed! in color! the guy's dad had a printer! a color printer!
 good times
[14:10] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> My daughter does not use Snapchat, Facebook , what's up, only Telegram , we convinced all her classroom to go for Telegram
[14:12] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I did not knew it, she surprised me the other day, good daughter
 i guess my kid's invitaitions will have to be 3d printed.
 @Milan Korecky, I think we might just have to talk about her.... somewhere..... #audiocast  !
 I find it so weird we all act like Telegram is the best thing since sliced bread
 Telegram works better for me than either Whatsapp or Signal.
 It is a platform owned by the guy who used to own the Russian version of Facebook (VKontakte), the devs often don't release source code for new releases (which is a GPL violation with ffmpeg) and the crypto is a joke
 Signal's crypto keys are tied to your phone number; change your SIM and it breaks. I often have to uninstall and reinstall, or desynchronise and resync, to get it working -- and every time it loses all my history and messages.
 Whatsapp is also tied to a mobile number and so gets very confused if you swap SIMs.
 Telegram mostly just works™.
[14:33] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere Nevertheless and regarding the privacy, how to build home nexcloud it is a topic. No idea where should I start. All NAS I have seen are with some private os preinstalled. And the devices on nexcloud webpage? I don't ged it.
 So, Matrix is the solution?
[14:38] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @wayneoutthere, She is only 12, I am still and who knows how long, the number 1 men in her life. But the privacy and safety for children connected to internet is a everyday topic!!!!! All what is available on YouTube ... disaster
 yessir
 i'm with you
 @Milan Korecky, i'm also with you on this.  good news... not hard.  I have lots of ideas on this one too.  Also on my mind regulary
 @Guido, I think it might be. @Lorxu and others raise good points.  Just because Telegram has 'great features' (and it does) doesn't mean we should embrace it.  The people in this group are SMART and capable....
 @Milan Korecky, Our Russian Youtube videobloggers is not very good
 are*
 @Guido, Definitely more promising long-term than Telegram, but unfortunately not that user-friendly yet
 Matrix may... stay too techy
 @Lorxu, That is what happens if you take the red pill! 😉
 @Lorxu, do we have an example of something that started techy and ended awesome?
 GNU/Linux? KDE? :P
 KDE? Techy? what?/
 :P
 Most things start off overly technical, but the Matrix team seems to focus on that, the Telegram team focuses on being user-friendly
 KDE was supposed to be Kool
 :P
 @bhushanshah, That never happened! *quickly burns old KDE documentation*
 The kool thing was... so uncool ;-;
 (Sticker, 362x512) https://irc.ubports.com/tUMIL3xO/file_666.webp
 @Lorxu, agree. Unity was the coolest and classiest  of the OS's so far in my opionni
 I see what you have done there @wayneoutthere
 Milan in system settings there is lock device when not used: in czech you use "telefon" but it can be as well tablet 😜
 Also timing of lock is in seconds now, you have mimutes ^
[15:09] <tgBot10> solarkraft was added by: solarkraft
 @Lorxu, but it is pretty damn cool
 I just clicked the link on the website and now I'm talking to people on a well designed platform with open clients and a chat history
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EpkVVNLv/file_667.mp4
 Also hell yeah, real Linux on phones
 Paul made the most spectacular entrance of anyone into this group yet
 Thanks :D
[15:12] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, I was going to translate It as: zařízení or přístroj, but did not liked, you are right, what have you used ?
[15:13] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> @thepeter, Thanks many thanks
 @Milan Korecky, Zariadenie 😁
[15:16] <tgBot10> <Milan Korecky> I will follow 👍
 @solarkraft, Well-designed, lol...
 Have you ever looked at Telegram's code? It's a surprise it works at all, and sometimes you see it doesn't. I've had it randomly add someone to my contacts, WITH phone number, that I didn't know and whose number I didn't had. I've also several times had it suddenly show me chats again on launch that I left weeks before
[15:18] <tgBot10> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> @Lorxu, in russian tech world Telegram creator is under suspicion about connections with russian special services and mafia (also, the first investors of vk.com was mafia) … i do not recommend to trust telegram your secrets, but it's pretty ok for public conversations
 @Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜, Interesting, got a source for that?
[15:28] <tgBot10> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> @Lorxu, yes, in short, cuz it is offtopic: … Mikhael Mirilashvili was first investor of vk.com and he is famous criminal (was in prison) and billionaire; … vk.com sending all user data to russian FSB and police; … Telegram had no proper security audit; … latest scandal about Durov: former dev of it claims that Telegram office placed in Russia (where authorities has total control on any business) … So, for cypherpunks this e
[15:28] <tgBot10> trust to Telegram :)
 A source is a link to a news article or so :P
[15:33] <tgBot10> <Zhang Zhou 🥜🥜🥜> it's a complex of gossips in tech industry, there's many proofs, but all in russian, so think about it as "inside"
 Where can I found stored the videos viewed with Vulgry?
 @solarkraft, that's a... fair point.  We love telegram as much as we can, rest assured.
 @wayneoutthere, bump.  anyone?  Just curious and I"ll surely forget.
 @Sylvia And who can now evaluate which one is better or rather which one has the better API and is more widly used? … I still have some beef with Telegram as this is bascially also on someone else hand.
 Darn I should have read till the end. But this here is horrible to keep track of chats :o
 Zhang Zhou Thanks. That is also exactly what I heard about telegram. That's why I also was so hesistant to join
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 @Jujuyeh, stuck at this point
 how long does it take?
[16:27] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @krishnan_ts, Unless @mariogrip pushed the camera fixes already to RC, you need to switch channel to devel.
 Does anybody know if there's some kind of log where I can read about the updates? RC for N5 just got an update but I don't know where to go to read about what's been changed.
 Is there any active development for the OnePlus 3(t)
 (Photo, 2560x1440) https://irc.ubports.com/EGQsa6tN/file_671.jpg
 help pls
 did you have android on your phone? maybe you have to install before canonical ut to unlock the bootloader and then install ubports (with mdt you have to do this, idk with this tool...)
[17:10] <tgBot10> Patrick was added by: Patrick
 ok thanks
 Welcome Patrick!
 @Guido, +1
[17:13] <tgBot10> <W M> I AM NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THIS, … -but- … I believe Android phones appear to be a completely different device to computers depending on if they are in fastboot, recovery, or normal mode. … I've had to go and add my phone (recovery) to the udev rule (normal) before to get my computer to recognize it. … As far a what Mike said, flashing the Ubuntu recovery onto the phone will probably help a lot too. It might be the only thing you need to do. … You
[17:13] <tgBot10> command … lsusb … to list attached USB devices and their vendor/device codes.
[17:15] <tgBot10> <W M> Installing the Android ADB package from your repo would probably help too. If I am right about the device not being recognised due to vendor/device code changes, then installing that package may fix it for you. That's all the advice I can give.  I hope it helps.
 @Stefan Kalb, Yup.. did that today :)
 @krishnan_ts, Wait.. camera is fixed on bacon??!!
 @Esc476, It works on the devel channel.. I don't think it's pushed to rc yet.
 Anyway to multi select files from the file browser?
 Oh ok. I'll have to check that out. I wish my opo didn't have the mic and network issues.. waiting for the op3t port haha
[17:27] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @Jujuyeh, There should be the ubports recovery...
[17:30] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> And not the cyanogen one I think
[17:32] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> And there is no canonical build for opo by the way 😅
 @W M, It worked, thank you ❤
[17:54] <tgBot10> <W M> You're welcome.  … (Yay, I helped. :D )
 @Milan Korecky, About double tap space explanation ... do you have  confirmed that it adds all those hings you are mentioning there and not just end period?
 I recently joined the group. pleasure to be part of it. Greetings from Italy
[18:04] <jcjordyn120> Cool
 Is possible change the scope's backgroud?
 in rc and devel yes
 but it's the same of the lock screen
[18:57] <tgBot10> Volarics was added by: Volarics
 well, I think I'm pretty hosed with my n4. It won't boot into UTouch so I can't reflash or anything.  … Maybe a dumb question but can I flash anything via fastboot?
 @kz6fittycent, are you on devel channel?
 yes
 @kz6fittycent, Yes fastboot should always still work, even if the installed ROM does not
 stuck at "Google" screen. It was working prior to a couple of days ago
 I did it with the command line on the ubports site and everything got awesome with devel channel
 @kz6fittycent, There should be some key combination to enter fastboot
 sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=mako \--channel=15.04/devel … 2017/09/21 14:14:16 Device is |mako| … 2017/09/21 14:14:17 Flashing version 144 from 15.04/devel channel and server http://system-image.ubports.com to device mako … 2017/09/21 14:14:17 Target device cannot be reached over adb
 right I'm IN fastboot, as that's the only dialog I can actually use. I've tried reflashing and that's the error I got
 On my phone I can access a development menu when pressing volume up or down while booting if the bootloader is unlocked, which contains an easy way to enter fastboot etc
 I'm IN fastboot. But it's whining about adb
 @kz6fittycent, Flash TWRP first maybe ...
 TWRP has working adb, so maybe it works then
 got it...I was leaving OFF - - bootstrap as I thought that was for first time installation...it's working now
 How?? Because I get change the background in multitask and lock page. How can I change the white.
 thanks for the help guys..
[19:18] <tgBot10> <demokrit atomos> there seems to be some instability for the Nexus 4, probably should include that on the device page... I had to flash 2 times to make it work on first install and now after updating from r143 (devel) to r144 i got the same problem as you james -.-
 the one device I'd love to see with UTouch is the grouper...crazy, I know but I am getting nowhere with porting it. I can't get my head wrapped around porting.
 OpenStore v2 is now available to the public, get it while it's hot! https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/openstore.openstore-team
 Thanks to the wonderful @sverzegnassi !
 @kz6fittycent, Since there is tegra inside, IMHO you probably could be able to run pc version of ubuntu
 @bhdouglass, +1 @sverzegnassi
 @thepeter, Yeah, I did that and yuck....
 what I'm trying to do is get to a stable platform to start building/updating my old click apps
 my n4 is pretty janky. I don't own any of the other devices in current development
 but I got this old grouper here, doing nothing....and jeeze
[19:41] <tgBot10> <Stefan Kalb> @bhdouglass, Hey, looks awsome 👍 … Is it intentional that the "my apps" list is displayed in reverse order?
 I blame @sverzegnassi :D We just had someone mention this to us, we totally missed it in our testing
 It's not a bug, it's a feature!
[19:42] <tgBot10> * sverzegnassi going to hide somewhere
 @kz6fittycent, OIC getting compatible device to experiment work on is an challenge for me too
 @bhdouglass, 😂😂😂
 Haven't heard that one for a while 😁
 New version of open store is amazing 😀
 Thanks to the team behind the store 👍👏
 Hey guys!
 We have a sprint in NYC next week, and I know the (old, ubuntu) store team will be there, and there will be discussions about the shutdown process
 Are there any things I need to bring up?
 I guess you guys are all good now, with open store, but I just wondered if there were any concerns you had.
 @popeydc, Well I guess they can't just give us all the apps they hsve database or can they? 😇
 Anyone can do that
 Use the API to download them all.
 Well, download all libre apps. You can't redistribute proprietary ones
 UBports Community Update 12 | UBports … https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubports-community-update-12-77
 In Open Store when pressing "my apps" I'd like to see what app may I update.
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[21:03] <ubports_bot> Project ota-push build #1049: SUCCESS in 54 sec: http://ci.ubports.com/job/ota-push/1049/
 Hi everybody
 Someone here with Bose QuietComfort 35?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/MbNcWZLx/file_673.jpg
 It wants to downgrade my file manager. Where the heck did my version come from?
 is it because I'm on devel?
 Or did I sideload it some time ago? I cant remember doing that🤔
 FP2 15.04/devel r145 if that matters
 Ok, found it. Preinstalled version of File Manager in UBports system images comes from the Ubuntu Store
 @popeydc, Just let us know the deadline. :)
 Received rc 6
 Improvements?
 I'm in devel.. If i upgrade filemanager with openstore and after i check on systemsettings if there are updates i find the canonical version of filemanager waiting to be installed..
 @andreasimonetti, That's no good. @mariogrip any ideas,
 Thanks !!! It looks great! amazing work 👍
 @geminis65, Reverted to older version of Oxide because the BQ E5 can't handle the newer Oxide
 @UniversalSuperBox, tbh we should disable click updates from the old store
 Im not sure how the versioning works there, it might belive there is a new version when there is not
 Brian Douglass, [21.09.17 22:36] … OpenStore v2 is now available to the public, get it while it's hot! https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/openstore.openstore-team
 let's just bump the filemanager from openstore to be bigger then the cllick store
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/ON6u9Z6W/file_674.mp4
 Open store, new and improved face
 @mariogrip, You just need to upload it, we use an internal *magic* number (i.e. revision number)
 @sverzegnassi, ah!
 Thanks for new open store! :) … A few minor suggestions though: … - I don't think openning app's page should appear from the bottom - rather as a normal stack page. It should also have a "back" chevron instead of a cross in upper-left. … - I'd replace the "open app" in the upper right corner with the icon - green button on the header doesn't look the best, and it's out of sync with all the other apps. Alternatively, move it to beside a delete
[22:09] <tgBot10> that delete and open app would be in the same row. … - Swiping through the screenshots would be a nice feature. … - I'd replace the bottom bar with the classical SDK tabs - again, for the sake of the design compatibility with the core apps and Ubuntu visual design in general. To maintain the discoverability of the updates, I'd add at the list item just below the header and tabs, which would appear only if updates are available. … - Personally I'd remove
[22:09] <tgBot10> from top bar and make a search bar function exactly the same as in the scopes or messaging app - there's just an action in the header, and after clicking the search box appears. It's only one click too, as after clicking the action search box should appear and get focus instantly. In the header I'd place the "OpenStore" text and a search action on the right - under it there would be a tabbar with three tabs - Discover, Categories and My apps. … That's my op
[22:09] <tgBot10> it may help. And thanks for the great work :)
 @sverzegnassi  Pressing "my apps" I'd like to see what apps may I update. … 23:02
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/n0HnM5Ba/file_676.jpg
 @Cesar_Herrera, Not sure if there's something broken for your case, but *in theory* available updates are displayed at the top of "My Apps" page, and it should appear a badge in the navigation bar
 @sverzegnassi SORRY
 No problem :)
[22:39] <tgBot10> Lazmol was added by: Lazmol
 @theMitu, *taking note* … Just giving a bit of context for some UI behaviors: … 1) The page appear from the bottom because it's actually a bottom edge panel. It probably makes sense only on tablet, where there is some margin on the three sides. We might want to change this on phones. … 2) Same as 1 :) … 3) Placing that button has a bit challanging, since we wanted to keep visible even when "Upgrade" and "Uninstall" buttons are visible (
[22:52] <tgBot10> phone there is no much space). We will see if we can make it a bit more 'neutral' … 4) Yes, it would be cool! It's already on our list! … 5) NO WAY! I guess the bottom navigation bar will be a thing also in Clock app. To be honest, there has never been a certain amount of consistency between core apps, since not all of them received feedbacks from the design team (and a few appa still use old designs from 2013). … I wanted to test if the bottom navigati
[22:52] <tgBot10> eventually work on UT too. Nav buttons at the top (e.g. back btn) are not so comfortable for being used on a phone - on UT I really miss those bottom button I have on Android  :) … 6) Yeah, another experiment. We might revert it and show the tab title instead
 @sverzegnassi yep navigation on the buttom is awesome, i strugle to reach the back button on mx4 X-)
 @Lorxu, I agree 100%...