[08:11] <doko> morning
[08:18] <doko> amu, haggai, Riddell: will you recompile KDE using -fvisibility?
[08:58] <hunger> Any chance of finding somebody willing to rebuild and upload a kdebase?
[09:42] <Jd101> will kubuntu get update to kde 3.4.x bug fix releases?
[09:44] <Jd101> anybody knows if kubuntu will get kde 3.4.x bug fix releases? ( kde 3.4.1 , kde 3.4.2 ...)
[09:51] <Riddell> Jd101: should do yes
[09:52] <Riddell> doko: we probably should yes?
[09:52] <Jd101> Riddell: thank you. I was hoping so. since they will be bug fixes and not new features.
[09:56] <Jd101> Riddell: in #kde ,  someone said kde 3.4.1 will branch before the end on this month. imo, kde 3.4.0 was released by kde.org too hastily so I would be happy for a kde 3.4.1 bug fix relase
[10:07] <amu> moin
[10:08] <amu> Riddell: 3.4.1 has such a option ? ( -fvisibility=hidden )
[10:14] <Riddell> amu: I think so
[10:16] <amu> as i understood, the deb are bit smaller, and only those, which use a lot of inline funktions ... right?
[10:23] <Riddell> and faster to load
[10:25] <amu> rocks, now i can get it faster crashed *meducks*
[10:43] <JRe> is there a kat package for kubuntu?
[10:44] <Riddell> JRe: nope
[10:44] <Riddell> but I think they have a debian package, you could see if it compiles
[10:45] <JRe> Riddell: yeah
[10:50] <JRe> Riddell: it's  an unofficial package btw
[10:52] <Riddell> see if you can improve it with your new elite packaging skills :)
[10:52] <Riddell> http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000130 "The Kubuntu Distribution"
[11:24] <amu> Riddell: cool
[12:16] <hunger> Looks like I have to rebuild kdebase myself:-(
[12:18] <KaiL_> you want support for new dbus/hal?
[12:19] <hunger> KaiL_: Basically I want a up to date breezy. I do not care about dbus/hal specifically.
[12:20] <KaiL_> maybe Riddell  is already woring on it?
[12:20] <KaiL_> +k
[12:21] <hunger> KaiL_: He wanted to wait for the gcc transition and/or kde 3.4.1.
[12:21] <KaiL_> I love breezy - updates every few hours :)
[12:21] <hunger> KaiL_: So do I:-)
[12:21] <KaiL_> bah
[12:21] <KaiL_> he waits to much
[12:22] <hunger> KaiL_: But that does not help if they are blocked by sensible maintainers that do not want to waste their precious time on updatejunkies like us.
[12:22] <KaiL_> apt-cache rdepends dbus-1 ...long list...
[12:33] <KaiL_> maybe there's more than just a recompile needed
[12:44] <hunger> KaiL_: Somebody started to rebuild kdebase yesterday... Too bad he is not around to report his findings.
[01:04] <JRe> allee: Wow i have made a package using the cdbs patch utilities it's impressive!
[01:05] <JRe> A kat package for kubuntu is comming ;) !
[01:05] <KaiL_> kat uploaded?
[01:05] <JRe> yes
[01:05] <JRe> 0.5.1
[01:05] <JRe> it works man i need to edit a manpage :( the copryght :(
[01:06] <JRe> it works BUT
[01:06] <JRe> allee: automatic control management is very good too ;)
[01:12] <hunger> JRe: Where is the kat deb? Can I test it?
[01:13] <JRe> hunger: Kat is a file indexer for Kde
[01:13] <JRe> hunger: i polish the package and give it to you!
[01:13] <JRe> hunger: take a look here http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22135
[01:14] <hunger> JRe: I know what it is, that is why I am asking where I can get it:-)
[01:16] <JRe> hunger: you want that i put a test version just right now are you prefere waiting to the copyright file to be written?
[01:17] <hunger> JRe: I am just volunteering to test whenever you are ready.
[01:18] <JRe> hunger: okay i will notify you in few hours ;)
[01:18] <hunger> JRe: I'll use whatever you think worth testing.
[01:44] <doko> amu, Riddell, haggai: please no new qt-x11-free upload until Monday
[01:45] <Riddell> doko: ok
[01:49] <doko> amu: I have the 3.3 already converted ... *slap*
[01:57] <amu> doko: do you have a buildlog?
[02:00] <doko> not yet
[02:01] <doko> amu: something wrong?
[02:11] <amu> doko: nope, just interessting
[02:12] <doko> uploading packages to chinstrap:~doko/cxxbin/
[02:13] <KaiL_> Riddell: now it's going to get even more funny with breezy
[02:14] <Riddell> KaiL_: what is?
[02:14] <KaiL_> apt-get now wants to remove kdebase-kio-plugins and everything depending on it
[02:28] <amu> KaiL_: wait for the new qtlibs :) that's real fun *eg*
[02:29] <hunger> amu: You bastards are breaking my box. ;-)
[02:29] <hunger> amu: Man, this is the fun of using a development distri!
[02:30] <KaiL_> that's why I have my K6-2
[02:30] <KaiL_> at least one box, which doesn't break ;)
[02:31] <hunger> Fun and excitement whenever upgrading something, the challenge of comming up with excuses whenever your boss needs you to do something:-)
[02:32] <hunger> KaiL_: I can always roll back the upgrades... no need to have a old box sit around.
[02:33] <KaiL_> hunger: year, apt-get install package/hoary is always a good way to get something back to work
[02:33] <KaiL_> but one think I know:
[02:33] <KaiL_> one day, maybe with the breezy release, this box will finally get a reinstall - here's to much debian leftover
[02:37] <KaiL_> afaik it's potato -> woody -> sarge -> hoary -> breezy
[02:37] <KaiL_> ...so maybe a reinstall won't be the worst idea
[02:41] <hunger> KaiL_: I do snapshots before upgrading... so I can examine the changes and back them out manually.
[02:42] <hunger> KaiL_: If everything breaks I can tar up the old state and copy that over the new one;-)
[02:42] <KaiL_> also a way
[02:43] <hunger> KaiL_: That screws up the dpkg db though:-( I tend to forget to snapshot /var;-)
[02:45] <JRe> http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kubuntu/kat/
[02:46] <JRe> for those who wants to test
[02:46] <KaiL_> what a timing - I just cleaned out the old one ;)
[02:47] <JRe> ;)
[02:49] <hunger> Why do all the kde apps need such an annoying intro-screen nowadays?
[02:50] <hunger> JRe: Help does not work for me... is that missing in the original?
[02:51] <JRe> yeah
[02:53] <JRe> so what do you thinks about the package?
[02:54] <JRe> kail seems to not appreciate at all ;)
[02:56] <hunger> Looks good to me.
[02:56] <hunger> JRe: You might want to add a help page saying that no help is available.
[02:57] <hunger> JRe: otherwise you might get bugreports about that:-)
[02:57] <JRe> ;)
[02:57] <Riddell> anyone got quark, photoshop or illustrator and want to design the kubuntu CDs?
[02:59] <KaiL> hmm
[02:59] <KaiL> needs a little bit to much RAM, if you ask me
[03:02] <hunger> Riddell: I do not use proprietary SW in non-business settings.
[03:02] <KaiL> hunger: it read the meta infos from pdfs
[03:03] <hunger> KaiL: I want the text, not the meta info...
[03:03] <hunger> KaiL: Nobody ever puts anything useful into the meta fields anyway:-)
[03:04] <hunger> JRe: Looks like you did good work.
[03:05] <KaiL> the app isn't really ready, but the package looks ok for me
[03:07] <JRe> hunger: thanx ;)
[03:08] <hunger> JRe: The deb works for me, the list of files seems to be OK,
[03:08] <JRe> the diffstat is quite good, also ;)
[03:08] <JRe> no unneeded file
[03:13] <JRe> hunger: okay i have contacted the usptream so that the patches will be included in the nex kat release
[03:14] <amu> Riddell: tackat?
[03:15] <hunger> Well, kat needs some more work...
[03:15] <hunger> JRe: But that is neither your fault nor unexpected;-)
[03:16] <JRe> hunger: yeah but i think it's a good project!
[03:19] <hunger> JRe: Still crashes a bit often... but that is normal for a KDE app:-(
[03:20] <JRe> hunger: yeah you're right :)
[03:21] <JRe> i hope that one day gmail will support khtml!
[03:26] <amu> $ gmail
[03:26] <amu> bash: gmail: command not found
[03:28] <JRe> amu: ???
[03:32] <amu> err tenor
[03:35] <Riddell> sssh amu, tango is a top secret project
[03:36] <hunger> Riddell: sssh? A secret ssh?
[03:37] <hunger> Riddell: Super Secure SHell?
[03:37] <Riddell> hunger: more super secret than that
[03:37] <amu> topsec ? :) On LinuxPlanet, Kurt Pfeifle explains details about Tenor
[03:38] <JRe> :)
[03:38] <Riddell> no no tenor isn't top secret at all
[03:38] <Riddell> tango is super secret
[03:38] <Riddell> which is why it's daft of this lady to have put it in her biography http://2005.guadec.org/schedule/speakers.html
[03:39] <amu> Riddell: :) ups
[03:42] <JRe> waa tango project seems great
[03:42] <JRe> ;)
[03:43] <Riddell> hmm, no
[03:43] <Riddell> it's the ximian half of novell being silly
[03:44] <JRe> !
[03:51] <Riddell> hunger: that means we must have been in the same room
[03:53] <JRe> hunger: try /usr/share/doc
[03:54] <JRe> hunger: the kat upstream wonders if the kat package will be in the universe?
[03:55] <Riddell> should be, just needs me and a couple of others to review it
[03:55] <JRe> okay i reply this to him
[03:59] <JRe> Riddell: should make an author section in KubuntuPackagingGuide to thanks the debian guide author, allee, cdbs tutorial author, ...
[03:59] <JRe> ???
[03:59] <Riddell> JRe: if you wish
[03:59] <JRe> Riddell: okay
[04:31] <allee> JRe: How about poke cdbs tut authors a bit too ;)  They flame KDE, so I guess a little (ironic) note with a smiley can't hurt ;)
[04:36] <amu> JRe: cool stuff that KubuntuPackagingGuide
[04:47] <JRe> allee: yeah they have flamed KDE but they have take it out from the new version
[04:47] <JRe> allee: but i will add a funny note, you're right
[04:47] <JRe> amu: thanks :)
[04:48] <allee> JRe: really? it still was there yesterday.  checking ...
[04:48] <dato> JRe: "take it out" what, and from were?
[04:49] <JRe> dato: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml => no more kde flame
[04:49] <dato> ah, right. the tutorial. nvm, then.
[04:51] <JRe> allee: he does not update the wiki anymore
[04:52] <hunger> Riddell: I had kat index / :-)
[04:53] <allee> JRe: right, I've seen the note.  But because was _this_ the page I read 'long' ago.  I didn't look for another version.  The flame version is also #4 in google.
[04:53] <JRe> hunger: you have indexed /proc?
[04:53] <JRe> allee: okay i have made a joke on him :)
[04:54] <allee> ;)   I hope they don't get it wrong.  They did a create job!
[04:55] <allee> JRe: and you too
[04:55] <JRe> allee: thanks :)
[05:03] <hunger> How do you update the DB?
[05:05] <JRe> Riddell: are the kubuntu policies exactly the same than debian ones?
[05:05] <JRe> hunger: i don't have any idea
[05:05] <hunger> JRe: I guess it does not yet work.
[05:06] <JRe> hunger: the package or the program?
[05:06] <hunger> JRe: The program.
[05:06] <hunger> JRe: As said earlier: The package seems fine to me.
[05:06] <hunger> JRe: It is version 0.5.1 after all, so such things are to be expected.
[05:08] <JRe> hunger: yeah i see it when i compile there was typical error of a 0.5.1 version ;)
[05:09] <JRe> hunger: even some text are written bad, like tat instead of Stats
[05:09] <JRe> hunger: but it's under active development!
[05:13] <hunger> JRe: It can only get better;-)
[05:13] <JRe> hunger: yeah and moreover this kind of application will be a serious advantage for kde
[05:15] <hunger> JRe: Dunno... Something like tonor (or however it was called) is.
[05:15] <JRe> waouw amarok 1.3 overview on planetkde ;)
[05:20] <JRe> hunger: what is dunno?
[05:21] <hunger> JRe: Whether kat is such a huge step forward.
[05:21] <hunger> JRe: It and its kind are basically a overhyped grep ;-)
[05:23] <JRe> hunger: yeah grep under amphetamine :)
[05:24] <hunger> JRe: well, grep has current data at all times... which I do not see with i.e. kat.
[05:25] <JRe> hunger: sure! i am also a great fan of command-line
[05:25] <hunger> JRe: This has nothing to do with commandline.
[05:26] <JRe> hunger: grep is powerfull with cat and for
[05:26] <JRe> hunger: no?
[05:26] <hunger> JRe: Generating an index implies the need to keep that current or the value of the information stored therein is going to dimish over time.
[05:27] <JRe> hunger: okay i see what you mean
[05:27] <JRe> hunger: yeah you're right grep is always up-to-date
[05:27] <hunger> JRe: So there needs to be a way to keep the index up to date... if that has to happen manually then the whole system is meaningless.
[05:28] <hunger> JRe: My parents will never ever figure out how to update some index or see the need to do so... they will just complain that Linux sucks, because it can not find their documents.
[05:28] <JRe> hunger: yeah for sure it would be meaningless to do a half an hour update before each search ;)
[05:30] <hunger> Well, I am positive that some solution will be found...
[05:30] <JRe> hunger: i hope too
[05:31] <hunger> Preferably some system wide indexing daemon (implies security issues)... otherwise lots of users will waste resources reindexing the same data all the time.
[05:31] <JRe> hunger: because in few months, my parents will have kubuntu on the computer ;)
[05:32] <JRe> hunger: basicly, it's the central point of such an application, no?
[05:32] <opi> Oi guys
[05:32] <JRe> lo
[05:32] <opi> is that a known bug:
[05:32] <opi> Unpacking replacement kdelibs-data ...
[05:32] <opi> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[05:32] <opi>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[05:32] <opi> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:32] <opi>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:32] <opi> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:32] <opi> after fetching security updates
[05:32] <hunger> JRe: Not in kat... or so it seems, guessing based on the use of sqllite.
[05:33] <JRe> hunger: yeah i had to install libsqlite3-dev
[05:34] <Riddell> doko: can I upload a new kdebase or will that get in the way of c++ transition?
[05:34] <hunger> Riddell: Fixing the hal/dbus issue?
[05:34] <JRe> opi yeah i had this bug too
[05:34] <doko> Riddell: thats ok
[05:34] <opi> Riddell: should I fill this?
[05:34] <Riddell> hunger: yes
[05:35] <JRe> opi: solution: remove knetworkconf
[05:35] <JRe> opi: install kdelibs4
[05:35] <opi> JRe: nah
[05:35] <JRe> opi: reinstall knetworkconf
[05:35] <Riddell> opi: that's known, waiting on mdz to approve the new knetworkconf
[05:35] <opi> JRe: dpkg --force-all will do the trick
[05:35] <hunger> Riddell: Great! Thanks for rebuilding this.
[05:35] <opi> Riddell: OK, I just wanted to notice you
[05:35] <JRe> opi: yeah it's an other option :) :)
[05:36] <uniq> --force-overwrite is enought force all is generally bad :)
[05:36] <uniq> +,
[05:38] <hunger> JRe: thinking about it: A global indexing service is not enough: You can not have the user's data in a central DB.
[05:38] <hunger> JRe: So you need a system DB plus user DBs... and indexing daemons to keep those updated.
[05:39] <JRe> hunger: yeah i would probably be the best!
[05:39] <hunger> JRe: ... might be worse considering replacing man then, that keeps an extra index for "man -k" IIRC.
[05:40] <JRe> hunger: it would take a lot of cpu
[05:41] <nanomad> just a quik questio...
[05:41] <hunger> JRe: Think of a university server... those have to handle 50 terminals and more.
[05:41] <nanomad> kubuntu broken now=
[05:41] <nanomad> ?
[05:41] <hunger> nanomad: On breezy?
[05:41] <nanomad> yes
[05:42] <hunger> nanomad: yes, Riddle has new debs, but does not know whether he should upload them yet.
[05:42] <JRe> hunger: i have always had many respects for this kind of servers;)
[05:43] <nanomad> hunger, hope he will upload them soon...
[05:43] <nanomad> Riddell, can u give me those debs...'cause i need konqueror...and the IO slaves...
[05:44] <uniq> nanomad: deb http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/breezy/ ./
[05:44] <nanomad> thx
[05:47] <nanomad> why dont add it in topic?
[05:47] <Riddell> and uploaded to breezy, should appear in a couple of hours
[05:47] <nanomad> hope that...
[05:48] <nanomad> thx for repos....just d/l
[05:52] <nanomad> all working...except for apt-listbugs...
[06:25] <hunger> Finally managed to log in again!
[06:26] <JRe> okay bye evrybody!
[06:28] <hunger> Riddell: Kontact broke during the upgrade: Kmail plugin is not found.
[06:29] <hunger> Riddell: Sorry, false alarm: I had to deinstall kmail.
[06:30] <uniq> kdebase-kio-plugins is missing on dev.kubuntu.org.uk.. fyi. it's kdebase too, right?
[06:30] <hunger> Is "icon for hotplug hds" supposed to work now?
[06:31] <uniq> konq wont install without kdebase-kio-plugins..
[06:34] <uniq> nevermind me.. duh.
[06:34] <uniq> apt-get update is generally a good idea.
[06:39] <hunger> The "icon on desktop on usbstick plugin" is supposed to work in ubuntu.
[06:40] <KaiL> ideas for both of you: first look, then let apt-get uninstall stuff ;)
[06:40] <KaiL> ...or better don't, if it's kmail and konq
[06:41] <hunger> KaiL: Apt always does the looking for me!
[06:41] <KaiL> hunger: and so uninstalled konqueror and kmail? :)
[06:42] <hunger> KaiL: Apt did that to me;-)
[06:42] <hunger> KaiL: I did not have trouble with konqi.
[06:43] <KaiL> except it got uninstalled due to the dbus update? ;)
[06:43] <hunger> KaiL: Yeap:-)
[06:44] <KaiL> oh, there's new kdebase? :)
[06:44] <hunger> KaiL: Yeap, but I installed that manually from Riddels site.
[06:45] <hunger> KaiL: So the usual apt-magic did not apply... hence the kmail trouble I had.
[06:45] <KaiL> aah!
[06:46] <amu> Riddell: qt3.3.4 build fine now, execpt some brocken automerge depends
[06:49] <amu> KaiL, hunger do you want the new qt-lib?
[06:49] <hunger> amu: I wouldn't mind...
[06:50] <KaiL> I guess it will break everythink, which doesn't run away fast enough? ;)
[06:50] <hunger> kubuntu-desktop still depends on the old dbus...
[06:50] <amu> nope, builded that kde still works :)
[06:51] <uniq> hmm.. where is libdbus-qt-1-dev supposed to be?
[06:52] <KaiL> hal needs a cleaned config file..
[06:55] <hunger> KaiL: It works is gnome...
[06:55] <KaiL> maybe I'd played to much in that file before
[06:55] <KaiL> gar
[06:56] <KaiL> hmm, I don't see hard disks any more in media:/ - bug or feature? :)
[06:58] <amu> misconfiguration ;)
[06:58] <KaiL> here or in the default?
[06:58] <amu> at your sys ... installed a brand new sys yesterday, it just works
[06:59] <hunger> Damn... turned of device icons on my desktop. No wonder nothing turned up.
[06:59] <KaiL> amu: with the new hal?
[06:59] <KaiL> ugh, also no icon for my usbstick :(
[07:01] <hunger> konqi fails to open the device now:-(
[07:01] <KaiL> hunger: you onl get an icon for the floppy in media:/?
[07:01] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-sleeve.pdf
[07:01] <KaiL> and same on the desktop?
[07:01] <hunger> KaiL: Yes.
[07:01] <KaiL> then that's not only me :(
[07:02] <hunger> KaiL: The dir is even mounted in media.
[07:02] <KaiL> Riddell: do you have your own packages running?
[07:02] <amu> KaiL: old one, breezy & hoary
[07:02] <uniq> riddell: where did you get libdbus-qt-1-dev from? to build kdebase..
[07:02] <hunger> KaiL: konqi is just unable to read it.
[07:02] <KaiL> libdbus-qt-1-dev - simple interprocess messaging system (Qt interface)
[07:02] <Riddell> uniq: from breezy
[07:03] <KaiL> pool/universe/d/dbus/libdbus-qt-1-dev_0.33-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:03] <uniq> ok.. so my apt-cache and packages.ubuntu.com is br0ken.
[07:03] <KaiL> Riddell: nice image!
[07:04] <KaiL> p.u.c is to slow for breezy ;)
[07:04] <KaiL> Riddell: nice that you recompiled it, but: it doesn't work :)
[07:05] <amu> Riddell: sweet
[07:07] <hunger> I can view my usbstick in konqui in /media/sda1, but not in media:/sda1 :-(
[07:07] <Riddell> KaiL: ah well, I'll take a closer look at it once the g++ stuff is done, thanks for the report
[07:07] <KaiL> :)
[07:08] <KaiL> should I file a bug? just to point asking people to..
[07:10] <amu> please file a bug
[07:10] <hunger> KaiL: A bug about what?
[07:10] <KaiL> hunger: empty media:/
[07:10] <hunger> KaiL: Good!
[07:10] <hunger> KaiL: I was just going to report that;-)
[07:10] <KaiL> damn
[07:11] <hunger> Which package should I report "wierd audio cd eject behaviour in kde" against?
[07:11] <KaiL> uhm?
[07:12] <amu> eject ?
[07:12] <KaiL> wired in which way?
[07:12] <KaiL> wierd..
[07:12] <hunger> I insert a CD, icon appears, I click on it and do "eject". CD is ejected, icon stays forever.
[07:12] <amu> xorg .. or loadkeys ;)
[07:12] <KaiL> oh, funny
[07:12] <amu> kdebase-kio-plugins
[07:12] <KaiL> hunger: do you get a second one with a second cd?
[07:13] <hunger> KaiL: Just searching for another CD:-)
[07:13] <KaiL> hunger: mail for cc in bug?
[07:13] <hunger> KaiL: tobias at aquazul dot com
[07:14] <hunger> KaiL: Next CD replaces the icon.
[07:14] <KaiL> seams to have worked
[07:14] <hunger> KaiL: Doesent work with data CDs though...
[07:15] <hunger> Strange... works now.
[07:17] <KaiL> dta CDs also don't work really good
[07:17] <hunger> KaiL: All will be well in kde 3.4.1 (I hope).
[07:18] <KaiL> amu: now you, let's break the other half :)
[07:18] <hunger> So far the hard part was broken dependencies on dbus:-)
[07:19] <KaiL> better 1 week with a deadly broken media:/ than without konqueror and kmail
[07:19] <amu> KaiL: probably some hours later, first i'll install it here, than on Riddell's maschine, if everything works fine you get it.
[07:20] <KaiL> first break your own - good idea :)
[07:22] <hunger> KaiL: My konqui behaves a bit different from yours.
[07:24] <amu> KaiL: sure :)
[07:25] <KaiL> hunger: interesting, I had what you described with a cdrom here
[07:27] <hunger> amu: As a developer you should not risk your own system! Who will provide you with fixes when your system gets broken? :-)
[07:45] <amu> ... it will not break *g*
[07:47] <hunger> amu: I think that qualifies for "famous last words".
[07:48] <KaiL> feature request (category: "you don't have? you damn bastards!" ;): system  restore..
[07:50] <hunger> KaiL: You do not know tar? ;-)


[03:06] <hallyn> arges: bug 1432644 - you had claimed that bug blocked qemu-kvm users from creating vms.  I don't see that.  i see a few (16) annoying messages in syslog but vms start just fine.
[11:49] <MasterPiece> !help
[19:23] <sidi> hi, currently developing patches for nautilus's ubuntu package. i know how to add patches and rebuild a deb, but what i want now is to build a source tree with all the existing patches added, so i can test my code on top of this tree. How can I achieve that?
[19:39] <sidi> somewhat bzr bd -S seems to be what I want but I dont know where the source ends up. orig.tar.xz packages dont appear to contain local patches
[19:41] <rbasak> sidi: a Debian source package consists of a .dsc, .orig.tar.gz and (usually) .debian.tar.gz. The .debian.tar.gz contains the patches. Build the .dsc with sbuild, which will pick up the other two files automatically.
[19:42] <rbasak> sidi: eg. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[19:44] <nabukadnezar43> are there minimal images of ubuntu daily?
[19:46] <nabukadnezar43> apperantly it's called core
[19:46] <sidi> rbasak, say i already have my own working tree, with some patches i wrote and applied and know are valid. I can of course build the whole package with bzr bd and test it, but what i want is to extract the source code of this working tree, along with the already written trees, to manually hack and build it like i'd do with a tarball downloaded off the internet (so I can write the next patch)
[19:46] <sidi> it seems to me most tools only want an existing source package (either from apt-cache) or local
[19:46] <sidi> so i'd need to build a source package from my working tree to set up this "hacking" source directory?
[19:47] <rbasak> sidi: you can install all build dependencies locally if you want (or in a schroot). Then apply all patches with "quilt push -a" but you'll need to set up quilt first - https://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
[19:47] <Unit193> nabukadnezar43: Like http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ?
[19:47] <rbasak> sidi: finally, run "debian/rules build" to build the tree. If the packaging is done well, then you can change the source and "debian/rules build" again
[19:47] <sidi> rbasak i'm using quilt atm, i followed http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/patches-to-packages.html
[19:48] <sidi> i'm not sure i got that bit.
[19:48] <sidi> what would be the benefit of using sbuild by the way, over just using quilt? I expect to have the non-amd64 packages built on the PPA, not to do it myself
[19:49] <rbasak> sbuild builds in a clean environment. Eg. without any additional packages apart from the build dependencies. So other stuff cannot influence the build.
[19:49] <nabukadnezar43> Unit193 thanks that's what i was looking for
[19:49] <Unit193> nabukadnezar43: Great!  I presume you can find the 32bit one if needed too.
[19:49] <rbasak> (also then you don't have to install all the build dependencies locally, so you don't clutter up your dev system itself)
[19:50] <nabukadnezar43> yes but amd64 is what i need
[19:50] <infinity> Unit193: FWIW, linking to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/ is a lot less typing and much easier for people to remember more than 5 seconds after you tell them. :)
[19:51]  * infinity notes that he needs to remove Saucy from that list, and does so.
[19:51] <Unit193> infinity: ...That, would help.  Yes.  Kind of wondered why it wasn't there at one point, turns out..
[19:51] <Unit193> Thanks.
[19:52] <Unit193> Well I'm a genius...
[19:52] <elfy> ...
[19:53] <sidi> rbasak i see. i dont think it's a very big deal though if i've only installed an ubuntu for that purpose? or will i reliably run into trouble if i dont use sbuild? (mainly trying to avoid some work here, i wont be needing this build system for more than 1 or 2 months...)
[19:55] <maxb> You can probably do most experimental dev work just find without sbuild, but you will always face the possibility of undeclared build-deps or other detected quirks causing a different result on builders to your local testing
[19:55] <rbasak> sidi: yeah, what maxb said. So it depends on what sort of thing you're changing.
[19:55] <rbasak> If you're messing with stuff that has little to do with the packaging, then you should be fine.
[19:56] <sidi> alright i see


[01:29] <marshall_> i've installed apache, I want to host a site under /var/www/jeff so that whenever you go to <my server's ip>/jeff it takes you there and recognizes it as a virtual host. What would the virtual host entry look like?
[02:49] <slestak> hey guys.  setting up a tinyproxy + dansguardian server at home for this kids.  the docs at ubuntu.com (community, i know) appear to have a typo.  wonder if im reading it incorrectly.  one place says to change dansguardian from the default port of 3128 to 8888, then it says to test your proxy on 8080?  this makes no sense to me.
[02:49] <slestak> url in tlking about is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Servers/DansGuardian
[02:49] <slestak> s/this/the
[02:52] <slestak> well, regardless of how it looks, it works.  strange.
[02:52] <slestak> when i proxy to 8888, it doesnt work, to 8080, it does filter.
[02:52] <slestak> thx
[07:25] <AnAnt_> Hello, debian made a new release of mutt that Recommend default-mta instead of exim4, which means, that it no more needs merge, but sync
[07:35] <twb> AnAnt_: that is probably an issue for -motu or -devel
[07:46] <soren> Oh, they finally did the default-mta thing?
[07:50] <DizzyDoo> hi, just trying to set up my static IP with my fresh Ubuntu Server installation by following this tutorial: http://bit.ly/EPWDi . I have confirmed I have put in my ISP's nameservers correctly, but I am unable to ping google, what should I look into?
[07:50] <AnAnt> soren: yup
[08:03] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, are you able to ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[08:05] <DizzyDoo> KurtKraut, that ip, like all the others, are 'unreachable'
[08:05] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, your ISP does not offer a DHCP server... you have to configure the static IP manually?
[08:06] <DizzyDoo> KurtKraut, is that not what I have been doing?
[08:07] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, I am asking if your ISP has a DHCP server from where you could pick up the IP address easily instead of being oblighated to configure it manually.
[08:08] <DizzyDoo> KurtKraut, I'm sure it does have a DHCP server, but I specifically require a static IP
[08:09] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, I am asking this because DHCP servers can offer a static IP address too, based on your MAC ADDRESS.
[08:09] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: we got that. does it work when your IP is set on dhcp?
[08:11] <DizzyDoo> KurKraut, ah okay, I had to phone my ISP in order to get a static IP though, so I don't think it's based on my MAC address (although it could be)
[08:11] <DizzyDoo> blue-frog, it works when set on dhcp, so clearly, something I have typed in is not correct, but I have no idea what
[08:11] <jmarsden> DizzyDoo: Default route may be incorrect?
[08:11] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: the error message is   connect: network is unreachacble, correct?
[08:12] <DizzyDoo> blue-frog, correct
[08:12] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: is your card up and running?
[08:12] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: ifconfig eth0 up
[08:12] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, do you have more than one ethernet card in your hardware?
[08:13] <DizzyDoo> KurtKraut, just the one
[08:13] <DizzyDoo> blue-frog, the card is running, yes
[08:14] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: what's it's address?
[08:15] <DizzyDoo> blue-frog, how can I find out it's address?
[08:15] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: wow
[08:15] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, please tipe in your terminal the following command: ifconfig
[08:15] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: you just set it , right? you don't rememeber where you set it?
[08:15] <KurtKraut> DizzyDoo, the information display is exactly how your ISP told you to set?
[08:16] <KurtKraut> *displayed
[08:16] <DizzyDoo> blue-frog, set 'it'? forgive me, I have no idea what 'it' is, I should of thought it quite clear I have very little clue at all about linux here
[08:17] <DizzyDoo> KurtKraut, the information in the nameservers resolv.conf is as my ISP has provided. I don't think that's the main problem right here, more to do with the network IPs I have provided
[08:18] <jmarsden> DizzyDoo: /sbin/ifconfig eth0     will display info about how eth0 is configured... KurtKraut was suggesting you check that, not DNS.
[08:18] <DizzyDoo> jmarsden, ah right, I'll try that now
[08:20] <DizzyDoo> right, it's running on inet <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:21] <blue-frog> DizzyDoo: ping <IP_ADDRESS>     gives what?
[08:22] <DizzyDoo> blue-frog, a series of successful pings are displayed, and their times taken
[08:23] <blue-frog> ok
[08:23] <jmarsden> DizzyDoo: <IP_ADDRESS> is probably not the static IP your ISP gave you... so either you have a router between the Ubuntu machine and the Internet, or you misconfigured that eth0 interface
[08:23] <ttx> soren: do you agree the eucalyptus task in bug 422870 is "invalid" (bug was in euca-commons-ext and was fixed) ?
[08:23] <DizzyDoo> jmarsden, I do have a router between my Ubuntu machine and the internet, yes
[08:23] <jmarsden> Then that router is where you configure the static IP, not in the Ubuntu machine :)
[08:24] <DizzyDoo> but the router has the static IP configured correctly, surely. I'm connected to freenode right now through it
[08:24] <jmarsden> DizzyDoo: Does the router provide DHCP to your local LAN?  If so, set the Ubuntu server eth0 back to using DHCP.
[08:25] <DizzyDoo> jmarsden, I'll do that now
[08:27] <soren> ttx: /me looks
[08:27] <soren> ttx: Oh, yes, definitely.
[08:28] <ttx> ok, I was wondering, since you set it to Triaged after opening the commons-ext task :)
[08:28] <soren> ttx: Not everything I do is supposed to make sense.
[08:28] <soren> :)
[08:35]  * soren goes to grab a snack
[10:16] <soren> Interesting. I'm consistently getting better throughput from host1 to vm-on-host2 than from host1 to host2 (as reported by iperf).
[10:16] <soren> Not by much, but still.
[10:17] <soren> The former ranging from 931 Mb/s to 936 Mb/s, and the latter between 924 Mb/s and 929 Mb/s.
[10:18] <ewook> I'm getting really weird results with iperf =(
[10:28] <soren> Weird how?
[12:44] <garymc> anyone know if i can remotley access my office router?
[12:44] <garymc> i need to open some ports on the router but im 9 miles away right now, so if there is a way of doing that without going back to the office that would be good?
[12:46] <_ruben> depends on which ports are already open
[12:46] <_ruben> and 9 miles aint all that much :)
[12:46] <garymc> no, but its a pain in the arse
[12:46] <garymc> can i do it?
[12:47] <_ruben> depends on which ports are already open
[12:47] <garymc> ok ports 21 21 80
[12:47] <garymc> 22
[12:48] <garymc> ok i reckon i cant
[12:48] <_ruben> 22 .. that means you should have ssh access, and thus can do pretty much anything on it
[12:49] <garymc> well i can get ssh access to a server on that port but no my router
[12:50] <garymc> nope I need to get to the main broadband router at the office
[12:50] <garymc> looks like ill have to go there
[12:50] <garymc> What about checkin UDP ports are open from herE?
[12:51] <_ruben> login on that server and then use a ssh tunnel to access the appropriate ports on the broadband router
[12:53] <zul> morning
[12:53] <_ruben> afternoon :)
[12:54] <garymc> im using winscp32 how would i do a tunnel on that software?
[12:56] <garymc> ok anyone know how to test if a UDP connection is open on a particular ip?
[12:56] <clusty_> hey. some qt code cannot compile on the server. complains about a lib missing: cannot find -lgobject-2.0
[12:56] <clusty_> any clue whatsoever what packages provides this?
[12:57] <clusty_> all serches inside packages were useless
[13:01] <_ruben> garymc: use a ssh client like putty instead
[13:01] <whalesalad> hey guys, a startup of mine running on debian boxes (small custer, 1 front-end, 2 app, 1 db) is really struggling all of a sudden. app servers are swapping like mad and have almost no free memory, any idea how to debug this?
[13:02] <garymc> yeah i got putty too
[13:02] <garymc> but dont knwo how to do this tunneling thing
[13:06] <pmatulis> garymc: "ssh tunnel" is an abused term, forget about it.  what you want to do is set up your reachable server as a proxy that will contact the router
[13:07] <pmatulis> garymc: unfortunately, i don't use putty so you need to research how to do this
[13:40] <garymc> ok i dont know how to do that, is there a simple way of testing if UDP ports are open to my server?
[13:40] <pmatulis> garymc: nmap can do this
[13:41] <garymc> what do i need to put in the nmpa text to test?
[13:41] <pmatulis> garymc: what?
[13:41] <pmatulis> garymc: you can install cygwin on your windows box to get a more native unix ssh client or of course just use linux/ubuntu
[13:42] <pmatulis> garymc: (in order to use the proxy idea)
[13:42] <garymc> ive installed nmap on my server in the office. I can ssh to it
[13:42] <garymc> and run an nmap command in the Server CLI
[13:43] <pmatulis> garymc: good
[13:50] <Jeeves_> Anyone here using kvm professionally?
[13:50] <Jeeves_> As in, offer kvm to customers?
[14:09] <soren> Jeeves_: Yes :)
[14:10] <Jeeves_> soren: Also the latter?
[14:10] <soren> Jeeves_: Sure.
[14:10] <Jeeves_> soren: What do you use for management and access for customers?
[14:10] <soren> ttx: Do you remember why Eucalyptus need to be able to tunnel ethernet frames? EBS is specific to an availability zone, so why does it need tunnelling between clusters?
[14:11] <soren> Jeeves_: You may need to refine your initial question. I work for Canonical. kvm is supported in Ubuntu by Canonical.
[14:11] <soren> Jeeves_: Canonical does not offer hosted virtual machines.
[14:11] <ttx> soren: IIRC in multicluster use, EC2 provides a VPN to other availability zones, for any purpose
[14:11] <ttx> not just EBS
[14:11] <Jeeves_> soren: :)
[14:12] <soren> ttx: Yes, but ethernet tunelling seemed to be a requirement.
[14:12] <soren> ttx: ...and I'm not sure why that is.
[14:12] <ttx> soren: I think that EC2 provides layer-2 tunneling to that effect... so Eucalyptus mimics it.
[14:12] <soren> ttx: If they could live with basic IP tunneling, they could just use the in-kernel tunelling.
[14:12] <Jeeves_> soren: Nevermind, I think I know the answer allready. :)
[14:13] <Jeeves_> There does not seem to be a usable frontend for kvm to do 'hosted' kvm
[14:13] <ttx> soren: that would not be strictly equivalent to what EC2 provides. But I agree with you it should satisfy 95% of use cases
[14:13] <soren> Jeeves_: /If/ I were to offer virtual machines to customers, I'd probably use something along the lines of zinn: http://www.niftyname.org/about/
[14:15] <ttx> soren: question is... do we prefer unsupported (and using a broken encryption scheme) that does exactly the same as what EC2 does... or something that works but isn't strictly equivalent
[14:15] <soren> Jeeves_: Are you sure EC2 lets you speak raw ethernet across availability zones?
[14:15] <soren> I'm not.
[14:16] <Jeeves_> soren: I guess you meant ttx there? :)
[14:16] <Jeeves_> soren: Thanks, I'll look into niftyname
[14:17] <soren> Jeeves_: Sorry, yes.
[14:17] <soren> ttx: Are you sure EC2 lets you speak raw ethernet across availability zones?
[14:17] <ttx> soren: I'm not. I thought the eucalyptoids would know, though.
[14:17] <soren> ttx: I seem to remember that AoE factored into it, and I don't quite understand why.
[14:21] <orudie> will my website break if i move it from /var/www to /var/www/mywebsite.com for example ?
[14:24] <_ruben> could be
[14:31] <Jeeves_> orudie: If you don't change your webserver configuration it will, obviously
[14:40] <kpettit> orudie: you would need to change your apache configuration to match your new location.  Not to hard.  Depending on your web app through it might have some hard coded file locations
[14:41] <orudie> kpettit-> yeah i'm thinking about using vhosts
[14:41] <kpettit> orudie: that's pretty easy to do and very common.
[14:42] <kpettit> is this a remote server or a desktop server?
[14:42] <orudie> remote
[14:42] <kpettit> You can see some examples in /etc/apache2/sites-available and sites-enabled
[14:44] <kpettit> I do alot of testing on my local ubuntu desktop so I just mess with my /etc/hosts file.  Makes it easy to test virtual hosts before I commit a DNS or Apache change
[14:46] <kpettit> orudie: This is a pretty good ubuntu type guide for doing vhosts.  http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-name-based-virtual-hosting/
[15:11] <Jeeves_> soren: Do you know a nice howto for this niftyname stuff?
[15:11] <Jeeves_> There's not really a howto-setup-document
[15:12] <Jeeves_> the API is very much documented, byut the rest... :)
[15:14] <soren> Jeeves_: Sorry, no.
[15:14] <Jeeves_> soren: Hmm :)
[15:14] <Jeeves_> That's a shame
[15:19] <Maleko> on *nix, what people usually use to setup socks 5 proxy?
[15:22] <giovani> Maleko: what would you like to use the SOCKS proxy for?
[15:29] <ahasenack> Maleko: openssh can behave as a socks5 proxy server
[15:29] <ahasenack> Maleko: I think it's the simplest way
[15:29] <Maleko> giovani: tunnel traffics from some applications..
[15:30] <Maleko> and ahasenack, yeah openssh but it needs a ssh client to create the tunnel
[15:31] <soren> I'd be hard pressed to find a system without an ssh client on it.
[15:31] <soren> I don't see how an ssh client is worse than a big, dedicated socks server.
[15:33] <giovani> the openssh client can creats a SOCKS4/5 proxy easily
[15:33] <giovani> I suggest using it
[15:33] <Maleko> soren: this is actually gonna be a public socks proxy..
[15:33] <giovani> Maleko: public SOCKS proxies are a bad idea
[15:33] <KurtKraut> soren, using SSH would require permanent TCP connection. He'd have to handle with disconnects.
[15:33] <giovani> you're going to get your internet connection abused very badly, and possibly get yourself in some legal trouble
[15:35] <Steve[work]> morning everyone
[15:35] <soren> Steve[work]: I disagree.
[15:36] <Maleko> giovani: sorry not really public but it will be used by a closed group of users
[15:36] <soren> Steve[work]: I have data that strongly suggests that it is no longer morning and that is hasn't been for quite a few hours.
[15:36] <zul> afternoon soren
[15:36] <giovani> Maleko: I don't see why they shouldn't each have their own SSH-tunneled SOCKS proxy then
[15:36] <soren> Maleko: How about you describe what you are trying to achieve instead of unveiling it a tiny bit at a time?
[15:37] <soren> zul: Thaaaaat's right.
[15:38] <Maleko> giovani: because not all of them are familiar with ssh and those techinical things
[15:38] <giovani> Maleko: but they're familiar with SOCKS?
[15:39] <giovani> it's just as technical
[15:39] <Maleko> is there ways to make the proxy authenticates login through username and password?
[15:39] <giovani> sure
[15:39] <Maleko> without using putty ofc
[15:39] <soren> ofc?
[15:39] <soren> Oregon Fried Chicken?
[15:39] <Maleko> of course*
[15:39] <giovani> "of course" I believe
[15:39] <Maleko> :D
[15:39] <soren> I see.
[15:41] <Maleko> giovani: so whats the solution?
[15:41] <giovani> use a socks server?
[15:41] <soren> Maleko: You still have no explained what you're trying to do.
[15:41] <giovani> that's clearly the solution you want
[15:41] <giovani> despite me recommending otherwise
[15:42] <Maleko> yeh, socks server software i mean
[15:42] <giovani> just search the package list
[15:42] <giovani> dante-server seems to do what you want
[15:45] <soren> ttx: When you upload a new axis2c, can you take care of the multithread thing, too?
[15:45] <soren> ttx: Or will you be longer than that?
[15:45]  * ttx looks
[15:46] <soren> ttx: it's just about adding another configure option to the build.
[15:46] <ttx> soren: then sure :)
[15:46] <soren> ttx: bug 428060
[15:51] <Maleko> giovani: what about socks 5 using openssh? any way to make it auth using username and pass?
[15:52] <zul> soren have you had a chance to look at that grub2 and vmbuilder issue yet?
[16:01] <ttx> soren: will take a few minutes, I'm testing the build w/testsuite in PPA build to make sure it's not playing funny network test games or anything else build-daemon-adverse
[16:14] <soren> zul: I did, and decided it was really hairy, and took a step away from it.
[16:14] <soren> zul:  I need peace and calm to work that out.
[16:15] <zul> soren: ah sucky
[16:15] <soren> zul: Peace and calm are a sparse resource these days.
[16:15] <zul> indeed ;)
[16:25] <giovani> Maleko: ssh will ask for a username/password by default -- I don't understand what you're asking
[16:33]  * soren goes to do dinner-ish sort of stuff
[16:38] <ttx> soren: axis2c_1.6.0-0ubuntu5 uploaded. Bug 428060 is still left todo.
[16:54] <incorrect> I have a server that is complaining about not being able to fork processes
[16:54] <incorrect> i think at some point it ran out of ram
[17:02]  * IanFHood thinks that's forked up
[17:09] <erichammond> smoser: You available to join an EC2 kernel status meeting over on #ubuntu-kernel?
[17:10] <kaushal> hi
[17:11] <kaushal> I have enabled ubuntu backports in Ubuntu 8.04 to install mysql-5.1, but i dont find it after apt-get update ?
[17:11] <kaushal> hi
[17:11] <kaushal> I have enabled ubuntu backports in Ubuntu 8.04 to install mysql-5.1, but i dont find it after apt-get update ?
[17:14] <ruben23> how about this guys are they any how to or guide to install my ubuntu server with proper setting of system partitions and LVM..?
[17:17] <ScottK> kaushal: This is because it's never been backported to Hardy.
[17:22] <kaushal> ScottK: ok
[17:27] <embrik> What do I do to let all my users to store  settings, homefolder and so on on the server?
[17:34] <kaushal> ScottK: any plans to backport it to ubuntu 8.04 hardy in near future ?
[17:34] <ScottK> Not as far as I know.  It'd take a fair bit of testing.
[17:35] <kaushal> ScottK: is it documented :)
[17:35] <kaushal> ?
[17:35] <ScottK> !backports | kaushal
[17:36] <kaushal> ScottK: i have read it already :)
[17:37] <ScottK> mysql is particularly tricky because the packages are not well designed to be co-installable for different versions.
[17:37] <ScottK> So if we provided 5.1 packages in backports, it'd have to work with ~all of the mysql rdepends.
[17:37] <kaushal> rdepends ?
[17:38] <ScottK> For Hardy, the testing for this would be a huge job.
[17:38] <ScottK> Reverse dependencies.
[17:38] <ScottK> The packages that depend on mysql.
[17:38] <smoser> jjohansen, erichammond i think that jjohansen is intending on / will fix bug 428692 .
[17:38] <smoser> but i wont insist on that being delivered for alpha-6.
[17:39] <kaushal> Hi,
[17:39] <kaushal> I have enabled ubuntu backports in Ubuntu 8.04 to install mysql-5.1
[17:39] <kaushal> server, but i dont find it after apt-get update ?
[17:39] <kaushal> Please suggest/guide
[17:39] <kaushal> Thanks,
[17:39] <kaushal> sorry
[17:39] <jjohansen> yes it will be fixed by either me or rtg
[17:39] <bhodder> Hey  I installed ubuntu server and LAMP but then I installed opensips and while doing so ruined my LAMP install
[17:39] <smoser> just because I know how much black magic any kernel work is on ec2, and with black magic comes time delays
[17:39] <erichammond> smoser: Then a workaround would be to include the kernel modules in the AMI and add "loop" to /etc/modules
[17:39] <kaushal> ScottK: co-installable ?
[17:39] <ScottK> You can't (in most cases) install two versions of mysql at the same time.
[17:40] <bhodder> is there any way to fix this without reinstalling the whole ubuntu server?
[17:40] <ScottK> The packages aren't designed for that and so getting it to work is tricky
[17:40] <kaushal> ScottK: so i need it to install it from src packages ?
[17:40] <ScottK> Probably.
[17:41] <kaushal> is there a HowTo install src packages on Hardy about mysql-server-5.1 ?
[17:41] <ScottK> No idea.
[17:42] <smoser> erichammond, yeah. its easily enough worked around for an alpha
[17:42] <jjohansen> smoser: what plans do we have for beyond alpha
[17:43] <smoser> and i agree that we need some way to solve eric's bug 429169
[17:43] <smoser> beyond alpha, assuming our kernel is fairly solid, i dont forsee much else kernel related, jjohansen or erichammond do you ?
[17:43] <bhodder> does anyone know how to fix a LAMP install?
[17:43] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=ec2-images is the bug list
[17:44] <jjohansen> smoser: only setting a few configs to y
[17:45] <jjohansen> hrmm, and we should test VOIP/Asterisk and consider the Hz setting
[17:45] <kaushal> Thank ScottK
[17:46] <erichammond> jjohansen: I have a user who will test Asterisk using Jaunty on the new kernel once it's stable and permanent-ish.
[17:46] <jjohansen> erichammond: that would be great
[17:46] <smoser> jjohansen, we should test that, yes. or have someone test it for us.
[17:47] <erichammond> He's currently using Jaunty on the Intrepid EC2 kernel (2.6.27)
[17:48] <smoser> a-n-d, he s-o-n-ds ch-o-ppy sometimes
[17:48] <smoser> and lossy
[17:48] <bhodder> hey can anyone help me install apache2
[17:48] <erichammond> smoser, jjohansen: Once we have a great EC2 Karmic kernel, the next step I see for the EC2 kernel is making sure we're just as solid for Hardy.
[17:49] <jjohansen> erichammond: have you gotten any feedback on your jaunty support question?
[17:49] <erichammond> ...unless you are confident that Hardy can run on 2.6.31 (?)
[17:49] <smoser> erichammond, right, which is where we should be for approaching beta
[17:49] <bhodder> It was installed with LAMP but then was reinstalled and removed via apt-get and now will not install?
[17:49] <jjohansen> erichammond: hehe, that may just happen
[17:52] <rickspencer3> HI all
[17:52] <erichammond> smoser: Was your "right" talking about that we should build a Hardy EC2 kernel?
[17:52] <rickspencer3> I see some incoming euc bugs, who is triaging these
[17:52] <rickspencer3> ?
[17:52] <rickspencer3> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=eucalyptus
[17:52] <smoser> i dont think so
[17:53] <smoser> for hardy, i do not have any plans to change the existing kernel.
[17:53] <smoser> if a user wants to start with a karmic kernel, then they're welcome to
[17:54] <erichammond> smoser: Were there no bugs against the Hardy kernel on EC2?  There were a lot of bugs against that release, but I didn't track to closely if any were in the kernel.
[17:54] <smoser> we will publish an updated hardy kernel with bug 420635 fixed.
[17:54] <jjohansen> smoser: I don't know how this affects what we are doing with EC2 but there are plans to provide backport kernels for hardy
[17:54] <smoser> the list of issues with hardy that i expect to address are https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs?field.tag=ec2-images
[17:54] <smoser> any service to that release requires a SRU request
[17:55] <erichammond> smoser: great, thanks.
[17:55] <erichammond> jjohansen: Nope (regarding Jaunty). I submitted a few bugs so people can respond officially: bug 429122, bug 429121, bug 429120
[17:55] <jjohansen> erichammond: yeah I saw those, but I haven't made it through all my mail yet this morning
[17:56] <smoser> jjohansen, the priority right now is karmic. if we can get fully kernel team serviced and updated kernels to hardy, that is a "very nice thing"
[17:56] <jjohansen> smoser: yes
[17:56] <smoser> erichammond, note, that outside of kernel, the amis will have all other SRU updates applied.
[17:56] <erichammond> smoser: Yes, I understand that.  Somebody asked a question about the future which is why I brought up Hardy.
[17:57] <jjohansen> smoser: I only asked because erichammond brought up the VOIP under Jaunty+Intrepid kernel
[17:57] <smoser> "someone" ? or you :)
[17:57] <smoser> erichammond, i'll respond to your query on the mailing list regarding service.
[17:57] <erichammond> smoser: You: "beyond alpha, assuming our kernel is fairly solid, i dont forsee much else kernel related, jjohansen or erichammond do you ?"
[17:58] <jjohansen> erichammond: no
[17:58] <jjohansen> erichammond: as time permits I plan to pursue the pv-ops kernel issues with amazon
[17:58] <smoser> in short, the priorities in order are karmic, hardy, intrepid, jaunty.  but once karmic releases, there is not a lot of use for jaunty and intrepid. and
[17:59] <smoser> and once karmic is released, the top priority will be karmic+1/10.04, but hopefully we'll have some more time to address the inadequacies of the other releases.
[18:06] <digilord> Does anyone here do network installs?  I am having a prob doing them where Ubuntu is not able to write a temp file for the dhcp client on the system being installed.
[18:10] <erichammond> Perhaps I misinterpreted this a bit too widely in anticipation :)
[18:10] <erichammond> smoser, jjohansen: I think all my questions are answered for this meeting now.
[18:10] <erichammond> smoser: I'd like to summarize my understanding of what the plan is so you can clarify if I'm incorrect:
[18:10] <erichammond> You do not plan to publish any further AMIs until Karmic Alpha 6.
[18:10] <erichammond> Alpha6 should include the loop module fix one way or another.
[18:10] <erichammond> Alpha6 should include the kernel modules.
[18:10] <erichammond> You will test the libc fix before Alpha6.
[18:10] <erichammond> ?
[18:10] <erichammond> smoser: Hm, taking a second glance at your comment about bug 429169, you didn't commit to anything but did want more discussion, right?
[18:11] <smoser> i dont want to promise the kernel modules in the image right now, but i'll look at it.
[18:11] <smoser> and we absolutely need a solution
[18:12] <smoser> if they're not there, I'll document how to get them (adn it should be a cut and pastable command line tha tcould even be run from a user-data)
[18:13] <erichammond> smoser: If it's that easy, why not add the commands to the vmbuilder --exec script so that the kernel modules are included in the image as they are with other AMIs?
[18:14] <smoser> erichammond, i thought exec script for vmbuilder ran at build time
[18:15] <erichammond> smoser: Exactly.
[18:15] <smoser> if so, then it would pull those into the image, which wastes space for uec portion
[18:15] <smoser> see my comment there (the bug) about less than ideal for uec
[18:17] <erichammond> smoser: Ah, I just woke up for this meeting and didn't see that comment yet.
[18:17] <erichammond> Well, my position would be that for Alpha6 we should make it work as expected for EC2 and slightly inconvenience the UEC folks :)
[18:18] <erichammond> I think it's more than an inconvenience not to have the kernel modules available on EC2.
really ? that surprises me</sarcasm>
[18:18] <smoser> i agree
[18:18] <smoser> we'll figure something out.
[18:18] <erichammond> We can document all we want and answer questions on the mailing lists, but this only reaches a small percentage of the user population.
[18:19] <smoser> the really nice thing about soren's "copy from initrd -> /" proposal is that it can work for ubuntu and non-ubuntu images (with a little enlightenment in user space)
[18:19] <smoser> and also, it has no negative side effects on uec
[18:20] <erichammond> smoser: Yep, it's pretty cool, which is why I suggest adding the kernel modules to the image be a temporary workaround.
[18:21] <erichammond> smoser, jjohansen: Ok, it's time for me to wake up and get on with my day job.  Thanks for a great meeting.
[18:22] <jjohansen> erichammond: thanks for comming
[18:39] <Jeeves_> soren: niftyname.org seems nice, but unfinished
[18:39] <Jeeves_> the serverpart is not documented at all
[18:39] <Jeeves_> There's no documentation on how to set it up
[18:46] <digilord> I am guessing that this is not the channel for Ubuntu server setup/deployment help?
[18:47] <Jeeves_> digilord: I think it is
[18:47] <digilord> Hmmm ok
[18:47] <Jeeves_> digilord: What's your problem exactly?
[18:48] <digilord> I am doing a netbooted install and the installer is failing because it can't write the temp files for the dhcp client.
[18:52] <kaushal> ScottK: is it safe to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Prevu/ to build mysql 5.1 ?
[18:54] <ScottK> It's not supported, but the author of Prevu is an Ubuntu developer who generally knows what he's doing.
[19:00] <digilord> Jeeves_: I think the problem is in the ramdisk part of the kernel init line.  http://pastebin.com/d1539f296 is from the installer.  Did I miss an option?  It's also not skipping the keyboard selection and using what is in the init line.
[19:02] <Jeeves_> digilord: We pxe-boot daily, and that works fine
[19:02] <digilord> Jeeves_: So there isn't anything wrong with my kernel init line
[19:03] <Jeeves_> digilord: We use this line
[19:03] <Jeeves_>     kernel 172.17.145/hardy-amd64/kernel append tasks=standard pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false base-installer/kernel/override-image=linux-server console-setup/ask_detect=false vga=normal initrd=172.17.145/hardy-amd64/initrd.gz --
[19:03] <Jeeves_> That works fine
[19:07] <digilord> Jeeves_: What are you using for the install repos? http, ftp, nfs, tftp?
[19:07] <Jeeves_> hmm? We pxe boot
[19:07] <Jeeves_> fetch the initrd and kernel via tftp
[19:07] <digilord> Jeeves_: Ahhh BOOT not INSTALL
[19:07] <Jeeves_> We boot the installer ...
[19:12] <smoser> bug/launchpad wizards (kirkland or anyone) , i've a bug that is currently open (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/398568).  is there a way to indicate that this bug is not relevant to the current devleopment release (karmic) without nominating it for a release ?
[19:13] <smoser> ie, this bug is now "fixed released" on karmic (or close to it) but I'd like to indicate somewhere that it affects jaunty
[19:16] <b0sc0> I have an 8.10 ubuntu install running Xen kernel 2.6.24-24. After about 3-4 weeks, I notice quite a few deadlocked processes on dom0 and eventually not long after, the system freezes until it is reboot. Any ideas?
[19:21] <digilord> Jeeves_: Is there a good place for me to look for info on netboot & install?  I changed a few of the things from the line you gave to add in the things that we have and I am still getting the language selection screen
[19:22] <geekboxjockey> I have an 8.10 ubuntu install running Xen kernel 2.6.24-24. After about 3-4 weeks, I notice quite a few deadlocked processes on dom0 and eventually not long after, the system freezes until it is reboot. Any ideas?
[19:22] <digilord> Jeeves_: I followed one of the Ubuntu How-To docs to get things booting and now it appears I am stuck.
[19:23] <kirkland> smoser: just nominate for jaunty
[19:24] <kirkland> smoser: and mark the main task fix released
[19:24] <kirkland> smoser: it's always assumed that the default task only applies to the current development tree
[19:28] <smoser> kirkland, yes, but doesn't "nominate for jaunty" indicate some request to have it fixed in jaunty ?
[19:28] <smoser> i really dont care about getting it fixed (at the moment) just want to mark that it affects jaunty only
[19:28] <kirkland> smoser: nominate for jaunty
[19:28] <kirkland> smoser: accept it
[19:28] <kirkland> smoser: mark won't fix
[19:28] <kirkland> :-)
[19:28] <kirkland> smoser: that's the tracking you need
[19:29] <kirkland> smoser: google will turn it up
[19:29] <kirkland> smoser: and show that a decision was reached not to fix it
[19:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: hey - do you have some time to a new package review later today?
[19:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: to *review* a new package
[19:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: probably, how big is it?
[19:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: also, are you aware of ubuntuserver.org ?
[19:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: small
[19:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[19:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: i stumbled upon it
[19:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: sure, point me at it
[19:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's a python program (the image-store-proxy)
[19:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm finishing testing it
[19:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'll upload it to REVU once I'm done
[19:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[19:37] <mathiaz> kirkland: just wanted to give you heads up
[20:02] <smoser> kirkland, can you please accept the nominate for release of 398568
[20:03] <kirkland> bug #398568
[20:03] <kirkland> smoser: done
[20:13] <smoser> kirkland, please click the same for bug 415032
[20:13] <kirkland> smoser: done
[20:14] <cemc> anybody using clusterssh ?
[20:14] <cemc> on ubuntu
[20:15] <pmatulis> for lvm, how can i view how much free space is available on a vg so i can grow a lv?
[20:16] <_ruben> vgdisplay
[20:31] <soren> smoser: The initrd->filesystem module copy thing doesn't strictly need help from the ec2-init script.
[20:31] <soren> smoser: I can think of at least two ways around it.
[20:32] <soren> smoser: One is to simply bind-mount the module directory directly on top of /lib/modules/`uname -r`.
[20:32] <soren> smoser: The disadvantage is that you don't get to reclaim the memory it takes up.
[20:32] <smoser> soren, yeah. you could do that
[20:33] <soren> smoser: The other approach is to remount the file system read-write and do it all from initramfs. On EC2, this is actually not /that/ bad, since the filesystem images are rarely in an inconsistent state :)
[21:39] <dan> how can I tell on the command line if I have ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop?
[21:42] <guntbert> dan: I just looked - jaunty server: 2.6.28-server - jaunty desktop:2.6.28-15-generic
[21:44] <dan> both of mine read generic
[21:44] <dan> I definitely have server installed because it's not even running an X server
[22:06] <frith> i have a fairly decent spec server, I was wondering which VM solution to use?
[22:09] <ruben23> hi how do i adjust screen resolution on terminal server...not graphical
[22:16] <pmatulis> on lvm, lvscan gives 'ACTIVE            '/dev/data/backuplv' [256.00 MB] inherit
[22:16] <pmatulis> what does 'inherit' mean?
[22:22] <soren> pmatulis: Probably the allocation policy.
[22:22]  * soren checks
[22:25] <soren> pmatulis: Yes, I think that's accurate.
[22:25] <soren> pmatulis: It means that it'll use the allocation policy set for the volume group.
[22:29] <pmatulis> soren: where did you "check"?
[22:29] <soren> pmatulis: lvm source code.
[22:30] <soren> pmatulis: ...which revealed that the lvm man page also explains it.
[22:30] <pmatulis> soren: alright, thx
[22:31] <soren> pmatulis: look for "inherit" on the lvm(8) man page.
[22:31] <pmatulis> soren: reading now
[22:31] <pmatulis> soren: lv inherits allocation policy from vg
[22:32] <soren> pmatulis: Exactly.
[23:28]  * soren looks forward to shutting down his eucalyptus testing machinery again. Having to wear noise cancelling earphones just to maintain sanity is no fun.
[23:44] <pixlbox> ive got a big problem, i have ubuntu server 9.04 (64 bit) installed and for some reason it keep randomly losing network connection, i cant connect to it via ssh or even ping
[23:45] <pixlbox> is this a common fault ?
[23:48] <soren> pixlbox: No.
[23:48]  * soren goes to bed