[00:25] <virtuald> sarvatt: have you stopped doing radeon-kms ppa updates?
[00:26] <Sarvatt> yep, things have moved into xorg-edgers
[00:26] <virtuald> ok, in short what will i gain from edgers over regular ubuntu packages?
[00:27] <virtuald> i guess i'll get better support for my rv570xt
[00:29] <virtuald> i don't mind x breaking if it's fixed in a few days
[00:32] <Sarvatt> its just adding an extra layer of things that can go wrong supporting the radeon-kms one at the same time as xorg-edgers now that edgers can support radeon KMS directly. the things in radeon-kms were building against karmic's xserver that does not have the updated dri2 stuff but they had the same package names so there were lots of oppurtunities for things to go wrong
[00:33] <Sarvatt> yeah edgers has all the latest stuff for that
[00:33] <Sarvatt> i dont think anythings been broken longer than an hour or two in edgers for months
[00:35] <Sarvatt> i havent put xserver <IP_ADDRESS> in there so its pretty straight forward, thats when things are going to get ugly because most of the libs need updating too for that :)
[00:46] <virtuald> :)
[00:48] <virtuald> you're going to warn before you do that right?
[00:52] <virtuald> sarvatt: do you know how to boot isos in grub2?
[00:53] <Sarvatt> yeah i'll put a big old warning on the page a few weeks before i do it virtuald, no worries :D
[00:53] <virtuald> heh i don't look at the page very often
[00:54] <Sarvatt> nope i dunno how to boot iso's in grub2 though :(
[00:54] <virtuald> ok
[00:55] <virtuald> google does :>
[05:20] <Sarvatt> hmm, somethings definitely wrong with g-s-d. the touchpad settings in the mouse preferences applet is the old one and is modifying the /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse keys, not the new /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad ones
[05:21] <Sarvatt> its reading the default settings every boot with no way to change it outside of manually adjusting the gconf settings for /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad or using synclient, it overrides the HAL settings even
[05:22] <Sarvatt> the keys in /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/ all work as intended, if i enabled tap to click there it enables it right away for instance
[05:22] <Sarvatt> but the gui to change those settings is broken..
[06:02] <Sarvatt> ahh we need gnome-control-center to be updated to work with the new touchpad stuff, no wonder
[06:02] <Sarvatt> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=e14a84a718d9882d320de1f359c0547836a9b4e3
[10:13] <Sarvatt> hmm, whats the deal with the radeon files in firmware-linux from debian?
[10:17] <Sarvatt> is it built into our kernels with CONFIG_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL or something? didnt know they were there
[10:20] <Sarvatt> ah ok i see how it works in drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_cp.c
[17:56] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/404428
[17:56] <Sarvatt> silly silly bugs
[18:01] <Sarvatt> should be a wishlist if anything, theres 0 chance the mesa r600 dri driver is going to make it into karmic


[05:58] <RAOF> Excellent. There's a solid reproducer for that deadlock...
[12:15]  * kdub should have needed stronger coffee this morning before trying to clean up the mcl::BufferStream unit test
[12:15] <kdub> *should have had


[05:16] <hebrews2124> Good evening all.  I have not used a chat service in a number of years, so please forgive any lack of etiquette, as it is purely unintentional.  I have an issue browsing Samba shares in Thunar over an OpenVPN connection.  I have been searching the internet for quite some time now and haven't been able to find an answer to my question.  I'm not even
[05:16] <hebrews2124> sure I'm looking in the right place, which is why I'm here.  Anyone out there willing to point me in the right direction?
[05:21] <Andrio> hebrews2124, what question?
[05:25] <hebrews2124> Hello Andrio.  Whenever I open Thunar on my local network and click on "Browse Network" in the left hand navigation pane, it shows a list of local servers, which is what I would expect.  When I am connected over OpenVPN back into my network and I click "Browse Network", none of the servers on my local domain are visible.  I can navigate to them
[05:25] <hebrews2124> using either their domain name or their IP address.  They just don't show up in the list of servers found.  Is there anyway to get the servers on my local network to show up when connected over my VPN?
[05:38] <hebrews2124> I have done quite a bit of Googling.  I can't seem to find a thread anywhere that talks about my specific issue.  I'm not sure if this is an OpenVPN configuration problem, a Thunar settings problem a route configuration problem or what.  My server, fs1, is available on the local network, so I don't think it's a Samba configuration problem, but I
[05:38] <hebrews2124> don't know for sure.  I have taken care to make sure that my DNS settings on both my wireless LAN connection and my OpenVPN connection are set to Automatic (No DNS) with the appropriate DNS server input into the box.  I also set the search domain.  A simple nslookup reveals that I am using the correct DNS server for queries.  Any help getting me
[05:38] <hebrews2124> going in the right direction would be very much appreciated.
[13:52] <nikolam> how to det lightdm to auto-sense resolution on the screen and not putting one fixed resolution ?
[13:53] <nikolam> I have example of changed monitor and lightdm is displaying just a black picture
[13:53] <nikolam> after blidly logging in, it then log in to user desktop
[13:54] <nikolam> Obviously, solution is to set lightdm resolution for a new monitor, but even doing it?
[21:47] <bleb> my tv has overscan, so the edges of the screen are cut off
[21:48] <bleb> so i can't see the xfce panel on the top
[21:49] <bleb> can i resize the area used by xfce?  so that the signal effectively has black bars on the edges and the entire screen including xfce panes are visible?
[21:49] <bleb> i tried xrandr --output HDMI-2 --fb 1925x1055 --transform 1.05,0,-50,0,1.05,-50,0,0,1
[21:50] <bleb> this makes it so my mouse no longer scrolls off screen, but the xfce panels are still off screen
[22:00] <well_laid_lawn> bleb:  tried using the buttons on the front of the tv to adjust the picture ?
[22:00] <bleb> well_laid_lawn: it's a smart tv :(
[22:00] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[22:03] <well_laid_lawn> bleb:  https://turlucode.com/xrandr-custom-resolution/
[22:03] <well_laid_lawn> try using a new modeline


[06:40] <elfy> cyphermox: been unable to check for a day or two, unfortunately now I have, reboot works in hardware and kvm, guess where it failed :(
[07:03] <ochosi> morning
[07:03] <ochosi> elfy: where?
[07:03] <elfy> hi ochosi :)
[07:03] <elfy> fails to reboot after installing, just sits there waiting for the next Ice Age I think
[07:04] <elfy> just checking 32bit on vbox
[07:04] <elfy> vbox really is a pita seemingly
[07:05] <ochosi> oh, that again
[07:05] <elfy> yep
[07:10] <elfy> cyphermox: so 64bit vbox, exits desktop then hangs, 32bit ends like this http://i.imgur.com/nztUBKK.png
[13:29] <cyphermox> elfy: ok, yeah that looks broken
[15:05] <cyphermox> ochosi: your ubiquity-dm fix doesn't seem to work for me; have you tested it in ubiquity-dm itself?
[18:14] <pleia2> elfy: social mediaed the expectation for RC landing on Friday
[18:14] <pleia2> err, proposed RC
[18:14] <elfy> pleia2: awesome sauce - thanks pleia2 :)
[18:14] <pleia2> like this: https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/588404831473299456
[18:14] <pleia2> :)
[18:14] <elfy> posting to -testers works for you then :D
[18:14] <pleia2> it does!
[18:15] <pleia2> lands in my inbox, -dev does not
[18:15] <elfy> pleia2: nice tweet - thanks :)
[18:15] <elfy> yep - no reason to not carry on doing that at all, though if I do then I'll just CC you instead :D
[18:15] <pleia2> :)
[18:17] <pleia2> ok, back to conferencing
[18:18] <elfy> cya :D
[19:37]  * pleia2 shares default app decisions (and apologizes for failure to formally vote)
[19:37] <Unit193> Danke.
[19:49] <ochosi> no worries pleia2
[19:50] <ochosi> had your sort-of vote affected the final outcome i would have reconsidered
[19:50] <ochosi> but as it is, it was no biggie
[19:50] <ochosi> and thanks for social-media-ing
[19:50] <pleia2> woo, already got one sad-gimp note
[19:50] <ochosi> :)
[20:17] <Unit193> Back with the raring cycle or so I was tasked with tracking the progress of libdvdcss, well it's now made it into Debian NEW: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libdvd-pkg_1.3.0-1-1.html
[20:19] <knome> mm
[20:20] <knome> up in the 15.10 queue then!
[20:20] <Unit193> It was tracked for xubuntu-restricted-*
[20:20] <knome> yep
[20:21] <knome> i acknowledge
[20:21] <knome> won't make it into 15.04 repositories though.
[20:21] <Unit193> Hah, no, of course not.
[20:22] <Unit193> OK, I'm done with my quantal/raring tasks now.
[20:34] <knome> laaaate.
[20:45] <slickymaster> !team ! Meeting in 15 minutes
[20:45] <slickymaster> bah silly bot
[20:46] <slickymaster> !team | Meeting in 15 minutes
[20:48] <krytarik> slickymaster: "keycode  10 = exclam 1 exclam 1 bar exclamdown bar exclamdown" :P
[20:48] <krytarik> Rarely used it ever since though.
[20:56] <elfy> balloons: ping if you're still showing up
[20:57] <ochosi> cyphermox: i forgot to add a note to that bugreport stating that my patch doesn't fully work. it does hide the desktop icons, but persistently, i.e. in the live session too (where we actually want them to show up). since it was late in the cycle and it's more of an aesthetic than a really critical issue we decided to ignore it and fix it in 15.10 by using feh to draw the background
[20:58] <ochosi> cyphermox: that change (switch to feh) seemed to risky and last-minute just to fix those icons showing up
[20:58] <cyphermox> well, not really
[20:58] <cyphermox> ubiquity-dm doesn't get used for the live-session
[20:58] <cyphermox> do you rather mean that it breaks the installed system?
[20:59] <cyphermox> but if you're fine with just ignoring it and fixing things in 15.10, I'm fine with that too
[21:00] <ochosi> no, xfdesktop uses xfconf to store/load its settings, and that's what is persistent
[21:01] <slickymaster> !team | meeting time!
[21:01] <slickymaster> #startmeeting
[21:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 15 21:01:14 2015 UTC.  The chair is slickymaster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[21:01] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[21:01] <slickymaster> Who's here for the meeting?
[21:01] <elfy> yup
[21:02] <micahg> o/
[21:02] <slickymaster> hey micahg elfy
[21:02] <ochosi> o/
[21:03] <slickymaster> well, knome will be joining us in a moment
[21:03] <slickymaster> so I think we can start
[21:03] <slickymaster> #topic Open action items
[21:04] <slickymaster> Unit193 to tie up with elfy for xubuntu-core upgrade testing needs
[21:04] <slickymaster> elfy, the floor is yours
[21:04] <elfy> that was long done
[21:04] <elfy> shouldn't be an open item
[21:04] <slickymaster> bah, it's still showing up in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:05] <elfy> mmm
[21:05] <slickymaster> I'm assuming that the other two would also be done, then
[21:05] <elfy> the game one is
[21:05] <slickymaster> ok, moving on then
[21:05] <slickymaster> #topic Team updates
[21:05] <elfy> the knome is tying up ochosi
[21:06] <elfy> no-one remembers what that even is
[21:06] <ochosi> i think we did that now
[21:06] <ochosi> the only thing left would be the games discussion
[21:06] <slickymaster> elfy, said that's done ochosi
[21:06] <ochosi> yeah, i'm not keen on having that anyway ;)
[21:06] <elfy> I put it on the agenda - it got removed
[21:07] <elfy> bah
[21:07] <elfy> that sounds wrong lol
[21:07] <elfy> it got removed because 15.10 :)
[21:07] <balloons> ohh my
[21:07] <slickymaster> hey balloons, be welcome
[21:08] <ochosi> i have few to no updates
[21:08]  * balloons waves
[21:08] <elfy> same
[21:08] <slickymaster> nothing from me also
[21:08] <slickymaster> micahg, anything?
[21:08] <pleia2> o/
[21:08] <ochosi> #info the hacky patch from bug #1437180 won't get shipped in 15.04, the bug will remain as it is and we will have to resolve it in 15.10
[21:09] <micahg> no updates
[21:09] <pleia2> #info we'll be sharing on social media soon, but here first - polos and sweaters! https://www.hellotux.com/xubuntu
[21:10] <slickymaster> great pleia2
[21:10] <ochosi> #info Gimp, Abiword and Gnumeric will be dropped for 15.10, LibreOffice (or parts of it) will be installed by default (result of the team vote from last week)
[21:10] <slickymaster> anything else?
[21:10] <Unit193> That was for/from last meeting, not this one? :P
[21:10] <slickymaster> bah, too late Unit193 :P
[21:10] <knome> i'm here
[21:10] <slickymaster> ;)
[21:10] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, whatever ;)
[21:10] <knome> what am i tying?
[21:11] <ochosi> knome: some action item nobody knows about anymore
[21:11] <knome> hah.
[21:11] <ochosi> "knome to follow up with ochosi on setting up a team vote - or allowing more time for discussion"
[21:11] <knome> it's the XSD stuff
[21:11] <slickymaster> yeaps
[21:11] <ochosi> oh ok
[21:11] <knome> so we should probably just boot up the vote
[21:12] <slickymaster> knome, any updates from you?
[21:12] <knome> not really
[21:12] <slickymaster> moving on, then
[21:12] <slickymaster> #topic Announcements
[21:13] <elfy> you can announce I'd really like to see people testing
[21:13] <slickymaster> go ahead elfy
[21:14] <knome> elfy, i'll do at least one upgrade test on hardware with real data
[21:14] <elfy> ty
[21:14] <slickymaster> ftr: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010712.html
[21:15] <slickymaster> no other announcements?
[21:15] <ochosi> not from my sie
[21:15] <ochosi> side
[21:15] <knome> not announcements really
[21:15] <slickymaster> #topic Discussion
[21:16] <slickymaster> #subtopic Rebooting the FAQ articles
[21:16] <slickymaster> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010697.html
[21:16] <slickymaster> knome?
[21:16] <knome> this is my item, but i'd really just want discussion on it.
[21:16] <slickymaster> this one is yours
[21:16] <elfy> not much discussion happened there
[21:17] <knome> nope...
[21:17] <slickymaster> I just become aware of it with the email on m7l
[21:17] <slickymaster> * m/l
[21:17] <ochosi> i like the idea/s, but i don't think i'll have time to really contribute
[21:17] <knome> slickymaster, yeah, that was when i first wrote a public message on it
[21:17] <knome> it's 8 days ago though, so i expected some feedback
[21:18] <ochosi> wouldn't that be one way to get some new folks on board?
[21:18] <knome> but maybe everybody just wanted to say they want LibreOffice in in the mailing list
[21:18] <ochosi> :)
[21:18] <knome> ochosi, absolutely.
[21:18] <ochosi> maybe some folks on the forums that have already written tutorials..?
[21:18]  * ochosi doesn't read any forums anymore
[21:18] <elfy> knome: or perhaps no-one is that interested
[21:19] <knome> elfy, which is what i snarkily tried to imply:P
[21:19] <Unit193> Or everyone thinks it's a good idea, so no objections.
[21:19]  * elfy is well used to mails to the list being ignored
[21:19] <slickymaster> my impression knome was that your email was addressed more to the community than to the team
[21:19] <slickymaster> am I reading it wrong?
[21:19] <knome> isn't the team part of the community?
[21:19] <knome> it was pretty much directed at everybody
[21:20] <elfy> knome: I'll be able to find some time for that
[21:20] <knome> so let's just move on, and hope that slickymaster replies on the thread and it picks some wind
[21:20] <slickymaster> me too
[21:20] <knome> elfy, great
[21:20] <knome> elfy, i think there might be some parts that might overlap with the new slideshow project here
[21:20] <knome> elfy, so let's keep an eye open for that
[21:20] <elfy> was thinking similar tbh
[21:21] <knome> so anyway, move on slickymaster
[21:21] <slickymaster> we could have a sprint on that knome
[21:21] <knome> sure
[21:21] <elfy> slickymaster: mmm
[21:21] <slickymaster> what elfy?
[21:21] <elfy> they generally end up being 2 or 3 people
[21:21] <knome> let's try to get some lurkers from the ml to join us
[21:21] <elfy> hardly worth calling it a sprint imo
[21:22] <knome> elfy, that's exactly what i would call it :)
[21:22] <elfy> you might, I'd call it a dawdle
[21:22] <knome> ;)
[21:22] <slickymaster> we did one of those for the installer slideshoe, the three of us and it worked elfy
[21:22] <knome> #nick xubuntu-docs
[21:22] <knome> #action xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles
[21:22] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-docs to throw the ball around about the FAQ articles
[21:23] <elfy> slickymaster: just a matter of noun - not important :)
[21:23] <slickymaster> yeaps
[21:23] <slickymaster> oving then
[21:23] <slickymaster> m
[21:23] <slickymaster> #subtopic Xubuntu session in Ubuntu Online Summit on May 5-7
[21:23] <knome> balloons, ping!
[21:23] <slickymaster> also yours knome, I believe
[21:24] <knome> yes and no.
[21:24] <knome> let me dig stuff up
[21:24] <balloons> I'm here :-)
[21:24] <elfy> could me mine too
[21:24] <slickymaster> do you want to start elfy?
[21:24] <elfy> but let's let balloons talk
[21:24] <slickymaster> balloons, the floor is yours
[21:24] <knome> balloons, while you do it, i'll approve your message to the list...
[21:24] <balloons> ahh brillant. So I trust you saw the email to the list ... Oh, tehe
[21:25] <slickymaster> so balloons, on the Xubuntu session in Ubuntu Online Summit on May 5-7 item
[21:25] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-April/010715.html
[21:25] <knome> ^ there we go
[21:25] <balloons> I'll recap quickly however. I am inquiring to see if someone wishes to run a session or session advocating xubuntu at UOS
[21:25]  * micahg misses UDS
[21:26]  * knome passes micahg the sherlock hat
[21:26]  * slickymaster never attended one tbh
[21:26] <balloons> My proposal was to have either a planning session, an open FAQ/community session, or even simply just hosting a 'show and tell' session or two showcasing xubuntu
[21:27] <knome> i can help plan and prepare for the sessions if somebody needs that support, but i'm not around on those days, so can't run one.
[21:27] <balloons> I think having a presence would be useful to you and would certainly be welcomed by the rest of the community. It would be nice to get some quick updates about what is happening in each flavor
[21:28] <slickymaster> it won't be easy for me, working hours and you all know the lousy connectivity I have at work
[21:28] <ochosi> yeah, sorry same for me (just checked my calendar), won't be around that day
[21:28] <knome> ochosi, it's three days
[21:29] <balloons> indeed, 3 days with your choice of timeslots..
[21:29] <ochosi> yeah, sry, my eyes are tired :/
[21:29] <pleia2> unfortunately I can't make the time either
[21:29] <balloons> now, it needn't be someone in the meeting at the moment even, if perhaps others might be willing to step up and host something. It really doesn't require much more than showing up
[21:29] <balloons> we've tried to make it easy :-)
[21:30] <knome> what i proposed earlier when this was originall brought up in the quality channel was a Q&A session, which would have very little overhead. just turn up and know the right answers ;)
[21:30] <balloons> The information should be in the mail, and you needn't decide right now of course. I'll be around as usual if you have questions, or need help. I hope to see something, but I understand the world is a big place and timezones suck sometimes :-)
[21:31] <knome> and yeah, Unit193 and krytarik are good to go too.
[21:32] <slickymaster> I will try to make the Q&A session
[21:32] <slickymaster> it will mostly depend at what time it will occour
[21:33] <slickymaster> is there any schedule yet?
[21:33] <elfy>  we need to decide if we're going to do something, then what, then who - then time it accordingly
[21:33] <balloons> the schedule can be seen here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/
[21:33] <slickymaster> thanks balloons
[21:33] <elfy> effectively the last slot is 20:00 UTC
[21:33] <balloons> We try and send something out a couple weeks in advance, so you have a week or so to nail things down
[21:33] <balloons> we won't turn you away last minute should it come to it, but :-0
[21:34] <knome> :P
[21:35] <elfy> you can generally do these things with more than one person obviously
[21:35] <knome> yep
[21:36] <slickymaster> any volunteers?
[21:37] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/WybNkNw.gif?1
[21:37] <slickymaster> balloons, when is your deadline to have the confirmations?
[21:38] <elfy> perhaps we can discuss on list, see if we can get a *user* involved in it
[21:38] <slickymaster> yes, will you make the call for that in the m/l elfy?
[21:38] <balloons> slickymaster, ideally by end of next week I think
[21:39] <elfy> if it is the last session I could possibly be about, but there's no way I'm running on my own
[21:39] <elfy> balloons: mmm - holy timing batman
[21:39] <balloons> just after release, haha!
[21:39] <balloons> really though, whenever, as long as it's before May 5th :-)
[21:39] <elfy> we're a small team and most of next week we'll be running about on that :(
[21:40] <slickymaster> the idea balloons, is run a call on our m/l and see if we manage to get some/a user(s) to get himself involved
[21:41] <balloons> slickymaster, yes that would be ideal I think
[21:41] <elfy> thinking about it - a Q&A is going to be people asking how to deal with light locking ...
[21:41] <balloons> perhaps even pair up
[21:41] <slickymaster> yes
[21:41] <elfy> 2 works, balloons helped me when I did some QA thing once
[21:42] <knome> 1 works, but it's not nice.
[21:42] <elfy> yep
[21:42] <balloons> yes.. 1 is like talking to yourself.. 3 or 4 is amazing and 2 is nice
[21:42] <knome> btw, should we move on?
[21:42] <elfy> imo 3 would be the thing to aim at, 2 rabbiting, one backstage
[21:42] <slickymaster> right
[21:43] <elfy> knome: yep
[21:43] <knome> this discussion tastes stale
[21:43] <knome> i even browsed the web during it :P
[21:43] <slickymaster> there are no other items on the agenda, so I think that's it for this meeting
[21:43] <knome> no
[21:43] <knome> i have other things to discuss :P
[21:44] <slickymaster> shoot knome
[21:44] <elfy> now?
[21:44] <elfy> or later :p
[21:44]  * pleia2 hands elfy a blaster
[21:44] <knome> please #topic Other discussions or sth
[21:44] <micahg> we should just announce freezes
[21:44] <knome> it has to be now
[21:44] <slickymaster> #topic Other discussions
[21:44] <knome> thanks
[21:44] <knome> so basically,
[21:45] <knome> version 96 of the installer slideshow was released first of april.
[21:46] <knome> after that, some strings were changed for xubuntu
[21:46] <knome> since the translations are handled via the upstream package, and there hasn't been any new release after that, the strings aren't translatable
[21:46] <knome> this is OK as long as there will be no more ubiquity slideshow releases before the release
[21:47] <ochosi> oh, so we're hoping no other team will want a release?
[21:47] <knome> which looks unlikely, since there has been some changes since that which i believe people want in
[21:47] <ochosi> can't we just revert the changes - or are they badly needed?
[21:47] <knome> so at this point, i'd actually propose to revert the change.
[21:48] <knome> this way if there is a new upload, we're good
[21:48] <ochosi> what change is it specifically? or: what do we lose by reverting?
[21:48] <knome> let me dig that up
[21:48] <knome> it's not huge
[21:49] <knome> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/677
[21:49] <knome> (and tbe, this was before v96, but the translation templates weren't updated for that version...)
[21:50] <ochosi> right
[21:50] <ochosi> hmm
[21:50] <knome> it's an improvement, but not something that is worth the risk of breaking those two strings for all languages
[21:50] <ochosi> i agree
[21:50] <slickymaster> me tto
[21:50] <slickymaster> sighs
[21:50] <slickymaster> me too
[21:51] <knome> i'll revert this change tonight then
[21:51] <elfy> yep - ack that too
[21:51] <ochosi> thanks for handling that, knome
[21:51] <knome> np
[21:51] <slickymaster> yes, thanks
[21:51] <slickymaster> is that all?
[21:51] <elfy> one last thing after that
[21:51] <slickymaster> go ahead elfy
[21:51] <elfy> we need to deal with 12.04 going EOL a few days after 15.04 release
[21:52]  * micahg has one last thing as well
[21:52] <knome> i should be around for the rotating of the website
[21:52]  * ochosi thought EOL actually meant *not* having to deal with it anymore..
[21:52]  * slickymaster too
[21:52] <elfy> how we going to deal with that? blog post and social media and a mail to Fridge or something?
[21:52] <ochosi> i think a brief blog post would be good
[21:52] <ochosi> plus social media
[21:52] <knome> yes
[21:53] <slickymaster> Ĩ can take of the wiki occurences
[21:53] <ochosi> fridge is an option too
[21:53] <knome> and rotate all outlets with information that talks about 12.04
[21:53] <slickymaster> * occurrences
[21:53] <knome> we can probably get reposted to fridge
[21:53] <knome> pleia2, or?
[21:53] <elfy> ochosi: I think probably Fridge needs to be done tbh
[21:53] <elfy> anyone can mail that
[21:53] <ochosi> k
[21:53] <pleia2> are we the only one going EOL?
[21:54] <knome> no
[21:54] <slickymaster> micahg, you also have an item, right?
[21:54] <micahg> ye
[21:55] <knome> pleia2, at least studio too
[21:55] <knome> pleia2, that might be it though.
[21:56] <elfy> lubuntu was 18 months
[21:56] <micahg> #info Final Freeze tomorrow, Apr 16 at 21:00 UTC
[21:56] <pleia2> knome: I think this is a first for the community, so I'm just wondering if we could collaborate with others going EoL to propose an announcement for fridge
[21:56] <knome> zequence, ping
[21:56] <micahg> #info any last fixes that aren't RC for Xubuntu need to be in by then (preferably all the RC fixes as well)
[21:57] <micahg> knome: he disappeared for the night
[21:57] <knome> he'll get back to it :)
[21:57] <knome> pleia2, sounds like a plan
[21:57] <micahg> #info final freeze for unseeded packages is sometime next Tuesday, anything that's not on any images can still get bugfixes until then
[21:57] <knome> anybody WANTS to draft that announcement?
[21:58] <elfy> action me for it
[21:58] <knome> #action elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors)
[21:58] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to draft an EOL announcement (with other flavors)
[21:58] <knome> elfy, thanks - don't hesitate to ask me for help
[21:58] <micahg> oh, I'll do one last upload of xubuntu default settings since Launchpad has been kind enough to deposit translations there
[21:58] <zequence> knome: pong
[21:59] <knome> zequence, see the last ~20 lines
[21:59] <knome> well i guess 30-40ish
[21:59] <zequence> We
[21:59] <knome> You
[21:59] <slickymaster> great micahg, thanks
[21:59] <zequence> Sorry. We've had a 5 year plan, but I guess we'll go EOL with you guys
[22:00] <slickymaster> does anyone else still have anything to discuss?
[22:00] <elfy> nope
[22:00] <knome> zequence, i think i overtalked you to 3 years 3 years ago :)
[22:00] <knome> zequence, at least your release notes say 3...
[22:00] <slickymaster> #endmeeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 15 22:00:36 2015 UTC.
[22:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2015/xubuntu-devel.2015-04-15-21.01.moin.txt
[22:00] <zequence> No, that was for trusty, I believe
[22:01] <zequence> I wasn't as involved in that 3 years ago
[22:01] <elfy> "Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is a 5 year Long Term Support release and will be supported until April 2017. "
[22:01] <knome> oh
[22:01] <knome> where did i read something different then.
[22:01] <knome> let me dig that up.
[22:02] <elfy> anyway - I'm off now
[22:02] <elfy> thanks slickymaster :)
[22:02] <knome> "Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is a 3 year Long Term Support release and will be supported until April 2015. "
[22:02] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudio-12.04
[22:02] <micahg> "Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS is a 5 year Long Term Support release and will be supported until April 2017. "
[22:02] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[22:02] <zequence> Heh
[22:02] <elfy> but you missed pleia2 setting next meeting
[22:02] <pleia2> woo, no chairing
[22:03] <slickymaster> yeah, pleia2 ^^
[22:03] <knome> linked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/12.04
[22:03] <pleia2> but seriously, I don't even know when we want to have the next meeting
[22:04] <pleia2> next week is no good because release, week after maybe we'll all be sleeping
[22:04] <elfy> well if we had one next week - I'll just be mithering about people testing - so best not :p
[22:04] <elfy> pleia2: week after is UOS week
[22:04] <pleia2> yeah
[22:04] <knome> avoid that like plague
[22:04] <micahg> there's a week in between
[22:04] <knome> i'm offline then
[22:05] <pleia2> oh, end of april week
[22:05] <knome> micahg, that was the week we were sleeping
[22:05] <pleia2> yeah
[22:05] <elfy> anyway - I'm away now - night all :)
[22:05] <knome> nighty elfy
[22:05] <micahg> I thought that was UOS week :p
[22:05] <elfy> LOL
[22:05] <knome> nope
[22:06] <knome> that's the week after the sleepy one
[22:06] <pleia2> nah, that's when we wake up and have lots of work so UOS is hard
[22:06] <ochosi> sry guys, was already falling asleep
[22:06] <knome> haha
[22:06] <ochosi> heading to bed now, night
[22:06] <slickymaster> minutes are up
[22:06] <pleia2> night elfy and ochosi
[22:06] <slickymaster> night elfy, ochosi
[22:16] <knome> ok, took care of the slideshow thingy
[22:17] <slickymaster> great knome, thanks for that
[22:17] <knome> again np


[10:22] <frankban> hi gmb?
[10:30] <frankban> gmb: if you have time: https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/lpsetup/steps/+merge/98815
[10:41] <gmb> frankban, Hi. Sure, I'll take a look in a few minutes
[10:41] <frankban> thanks gmb
[10:51] <frankban> Oh, I almost forgot gmb: approve that code or I will put a random "strong" (in place of "outstanding") in your allhands review ;-)
[10:56] <gmb> Haha.
[10:57] <gmb> It's approved, it's approved! Don't do it!
[11:00] <frankban> :-) thank you gmb
[11:00] <gmb> np.
[11:27] <bac> perhaps we should teach @leankitkanban how to quickly redeploy with juju
[11:28] <gmb> Hah.
[11:28] <gmb> Although if it goes wrong, you wonder how loudly they'd lay into us in a public forum.
[11:50] <bac> gmb: well juju is careful *not* to claim 100% success rate.  personally i'd steer clear of any hosting provider that makes such a silly claim.
[11:50] <gmb> Yeah, fair point.
[13:04] <bac> hi frankban, i'm reviewing your lpsetup branch.  can you explain the change to the ssh call?  you replaced -a with -s.  does -s imply -a?
[13:06] <frankban> bac: that fixes a previous commit, -s is the new -a, actions are now called "steps"
[13:07] <bac> frankban: so it has nothing to do with disabling the forwarding agent?
[13:08] <frankban> bac: no
[13:08] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb call in 2
[13:08] <gary_poster> also, kanban board is back; please update before call if appropriate
[13:09] <frankban> bac: that's just an lpsetup option that was renamed in the previous change
[13:10] <gary_poster> frankban, ping
[13:33] <bac> frankban: how did you do the debian packaging for lpsetup?  by hand, pkgme, other?
[13:34] <frankban> bac: by hand, copy/paste, and using dch for the changelog
[13:34]  * gmb lunches
[14:38] <gary_poster> frankban, approved objectives.  I *think* you should now be able to enter your evaluation.
[14:43] <benji> gary_poster: I'm looking for something to do.  Do you know if anyone is working on adding the /dev/random hack to setuplxc
[14:43] <frankban> gary_poster: thanks, I still don't have the self assessment task, but maybe that's because i've set next monday as target. np
[14:43] <gary_poster> benji, frankban was the only one who mentioned it
[14:43] <gary_poster> frankban, yeah, that sounds believable
[14:44] <gary_poster> benji, bac might or might not appreciate someone pairing on the translations thing
[14:45] <gary_poster> I know it's been tricky/annoying
[14:45] <gary_poster> and you are our translations expert ;-)
[14:45] <benji> bac: it looks like a fun bug, I'm interested if there's anything I can do to help
[14:45] <bac> benji is neither tricky nor annoying
[14:45] <benji> gary_poster: it's a sad state
[14:45] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:45] <bac> benji: sure, want to chat in a second?
[14:45] <benji> heh
[14:45] <benji> bac: sure
[14:45] <frankban> benji: I've not started that, so, you can take it if you want
[14:46]  * bac -> tea
[14:46] <gary_poster> I suggest that frankban should do the setuplxc thing, and benji help bac
[14:46] <benji> frankban: it looks like I'm going to work with bac first
[14:46] <benji> +1
[14:46] <gary_poster> assuming that still fits with your schedule frankban
[14:48] <frankban> gary_poster, benji: ok, that should be a fast fix, do you think initialize_host is the good place for the random trick?
[14:48] <gary_poster> yes, frankban
[14:48] <benji> seems so to me
[14:58] <bac> benji: normal hangout?
[14:58] <benji> bac: sure
[16:09] <frankban> gary_poster: 2 mps are ready (random/urandom hack).
[16:09] <frankban> https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/launchpad/setuplxc-random-trick/+merge/99044
[16:09] <frankban> https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/charms/oneiric/buildbot-slave/urandom-script-argument/+merge/99056
[16:10] <gary_poster> awesome, thanks frankban.  I'll look at them now so you can wrap this up...
[16:11] <frankban> thanks
[16:13] <gary_poster> frankban, approved both with no changes.  thank you!
[16:15] <frankban> cool gary_poster, I am going to land them
[16:15] <gary_poster> perfect
[19:16] <gmb> gary_poster: Is it okay with you if I take Tuesday off and work Sunday instead?
[19:16] <gary_poster> sure gmb
[19:17] <gmb> gary_poster: Thanks. I'll submit a request in CA now.
[19:17] <gary_poster> cool  have a great weekend
[19:17] <gmb> gary_poster: Thanks; likewise.
[19:17]  * gmb -> exeunt.
[19:21] <bac> benji: sorry i haven't caught back up with you.  i've been doing reviews since lunch.
[19:22] <benji> bac: no worries, I've been plugging away; nothing of interest to report yet.
[20:38] <benji> bac: I have convinced myself that the second half of the asserts in test_splits_and_merges are meaningless; I've removed the guts of the tests and they still pass
[20:39] <benji> I'm still not sure what the root problem is though.
[20:55] <benji> bac: I have it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/896964/
[21:10] <benji> gary_poster: I don't know why the diff isn't updating, but if you can review https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/bug-953913/+merge/99120 (diff at 16:55 < benji:#launchpad-yellow> bac: I have it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/896964/
[21:10] <benji> oops
[21:10] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:11] <gary_poster> ok benji
[21:11] <benji> gary_poster: I don't know why the diff isn't updating, but if you can review https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/bug-953913/+merge/99120 (diff at http://paste.ubuntu.com/896964/) then I can get EC2 crunching over the weekend.
[21:11] <gary_poster> cool
[21:12] <gary_poster> approved benji
[21:12] <benji> gary_poster: thanks
[21:12] <gary_poster> thank you benji.  have a great weekend
[21:13] <benji> gary_poster: you too
[21:18] <benji> man, why is this EC2 instance taking so long to start
[21:24] <bac> benji: hey i just saw your diff
[21:25] <benji> bac: it's running though EC2 now.  Hopefully it'll work as well there as on my machine.
[21:25] <bac> benji: i don't understand why that fixes things
[21:26] <benji> bac: it provides a constant sort order for sharingKey, the product focus is early in the sharingKey tuple
[21:27] <bac> hmmm, so it was the sort order then
[21:27] <benji> I can't explain why, but aparently variations in sharingKey is the culpret.
[21:27] <bac> i'm *very* glad you figured that out
[21:28] <bac> have a good weekend