[01:45] <daftykins> anyone attempted to get a discounted HP TouchPad? ^_^
[01:50] <Azelphur> me
[02:35] <daftykins> Azelphur: tempted to buy one at the higher rate and hope for the price cut to come in?
[02:36] <Azelphur> huh?
[02:36] <daftykins> we drove around here in the US today (i'm on holiday) but only one place had one and he refused to sell it, as it was the display model
[02:36] <daftykins> well i'm looking at UK shops and they're all showing the high price still
[02:36] <daftykins> like:
[02:36] <daftykins> http://www.expansys.com/hp-touchpad-eu-black-32gb-209143/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=base&ito=1701
[02:36] <daftykins> still at £430
[02:37] <Azelphur> daftykins: amazon has it cheap
[02:37] <Azelphur> but they don't seem to have any in stock, they will let you order though
[02:41] <daftykins> oh? but will they really get anymore stock ;x
[02:42] <daftykins> also from here, amazon.co.uk has the higher prices
[02:42] <daftykins> well it's only showing me third party sellers
[02:46] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, that's what I wonder :)
[02:46] <daftykins> Azelphur: eh?
[02:46] <Azelphur> whether they really get any more stock.
[02:46] <daftykins> ah
[02:47] <daftykins> some amazon.com sellers seem to think they still have it
[03:33] <ali1234> http://www.facebook.com/nokia?sk=app_222130677837526
[03:34] <ali1234> wtf nokia you delay the anna update by 6 months and then you obsolete it a week after release?
[05:09] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[05:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: delays
[07:04]  * AlanBell taps fingers and waits for czajkowski
[07:06]  * directhex taps fingers & waits for touchpad price drops
[07:06] <directhex> daftykins, you were done a favour. do NOT buy display model touchpads
[07:07] <directhex> display models have blacklisted serial numbers, to prevent them being stolen & reflashed with retail firmware
[07:19] <daubers> Morning
[07:20]  * daubers needs a cheap android tablet that can be flashed with 2.3 that has an ethernet port on it
[07:23] <AlanBell> wifi won't do?
[07:23] <daubers> No, it's being used at a trade show, so wifi can't be guarenteed
[07:23] <popey> it can :D
[07:23]  * popey hands daubers a WNDR3700 and a wifi dongle
[07:23] <AlanBell> tether to a phone
[07:23] <popey> s/wifi/3g
[07:23] <daubers> popey: It's not for interwebs access :) It's for configuring appliances, and we're not allowed to setup an ap apparently
[07:24] <popey> all the android tabs I've seen that have ethernet are cheap/crap
[07:25] <daubers> Doesn't need to be good! Just have a web browser that works and look ok on a trade stand
[07:25] <popey> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-tft-lcd-google-android-1-6-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-via-wm8505-arm926-42070
[07:25] <popey> eg
[07:25] <daubers> http://theandroidshop.tv/products/1/6/102_inch_android_tablet_with_wifi_camera_and_22os/ <- best we found and it's an ipad lookalike
[07:25] <popey> and probably wont run 2.3
[07:25] <popey> why not use an ipad?
[07:26] <daubers> we've some custom app we wrote for android. Can't get full socket access to an ipad so can't rewrite it
[07:26] <daubers> also, ipads are out of budget
[07:28] <popey> I'd flout the rules and setup an access point anyway :D
[07:29] <daubers> 'tis tempting
[07:29] <popey> so chaps. I have been offered some free stuff if I blog about it (i.e. write a review).
[07:29] <popey> pondering what wording to put on my blog to make it clear it's been given to me
[07:29] <daubers> Do the standard "Disclaimer: This was given to me for free by x"
[07:37] <ali1234> if i had a blog, i would blog about the stuff i got for free
[07:37] <ali1234> but only when it doesn't work
[07:37] <ali1234> if you're honest in your review i don't see why what you paid for it matters
[07:55] <directhex> ali1234, nokia didn't obsolete anna 1 week after release, they obsoleted it 2 years before they started developing it
[07:55] <ali1234> well of course
[07:56] <directhex> it's a sick world when symbian devices are not discontinued but webos ones are
[07:56] <ali1234> that's not really true
[07:56] <ali1234> 2 years ago was a long time
[07:58] <ali1234> oh, btw, webos sucks
[07:58] <ali1234> writing apps in html and javascript? lol
[07:59] <ali1234> what i don't understand is why anyone thought it would be a good idea
[08:00] <directhex> android spent the first year of its life using a java *interpreter*
[08:00] <ali1234> i mean why would i write an app for webos, when i could just write the same app, put it on a server, and have it run on all smartphones ever made?
[08:00] <ali1234> well you know i hate java and .net too
[08:00] <ali1234> do it in C, or don't bother
[08:00] <directhex> c's for girls. do it in assembler
[08:01] <BigRedS> I use the disk platter and a very fine magentised needle
[08:01] <ali1234> i don't really care as long as the end result is native machine code with no dependencies beyond libc and platform apis :)
[08:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <directhex> BigRedS, no butterflies?
[08:02] <wintellect> o/
[08:03] <BigRedS> directhex: only for calls to rand() :)
[08:28] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning
[08:30]  * TheOpenSourcerer is watching HP's website carefully. Apparently the Pre3 will be dumped at £49
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/08/22/hp.fire.sale/index.html
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> And the touchpad will be in Dixons online this afternoon(?) for £89... http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/hp-touchpad-uk-price-drop-confirmed--995403
[08:38] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: isnt that story a day old?
[08:38] <oimon> hence, been and gone
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - PC World have the 32G for £115.99
[08:39] <oimon> in stock?
[08:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apparently
[08:39] <oimon> ooh
[08:40] <diplo> morning all
[08:40] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:41] <oimon> would love a touchpad...i just don't need one and money is a bit tight :(
[08:41] <oimon> it's a good exercise in self control at these prices :(
[08:42] <diplo> I'm very tempted, anyone here bought one yet ?
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> They have just gone I think.
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm more interested in the Pre3 phone
[08:44] <oimon> no doubt android will be on them by the end of the week
[08:44] <brobostigon> good morning.
[08:46] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:46] <MooDoo> ls
[08:46] <MooDoo> ls -lsa
[08:46] <MooDoo> damn
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning brobostigon
[08:46] <MooDoo> *sigh*
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo and TheOpenSourcerer
[08:48] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, http://imgur.com/95ulb ?
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/uk/en/smartphone/pre3.html
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Twitter now saying they'll be £46 when dumped.
[08:49] <popey> Morning all!
[08:49] <MooDoo> morning popey
[08:49] <matti> Morning folks ;]
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning popey
[08:49] <MooDoo> hello matti
[08:49] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, paid £300 last week ¬_¬
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ouch.
[08:50] <daubers> directhex: devaluation ftl
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I did read that PC World/DSG would offer refunds to peeps who bought touchpads at full price. But that was unconfirmed.
[08:51] <matti> Hey MooDoo
[08:51] <directhex> company credit card, don't much care
[08:52] <directhex> http://yfrog.com/kk3vkp
[08:53] <oimon> anyone tried the twitter client called turpial?
[08:54] <directhex> nein
[08:56] <oimon> seems quite good and light, just struggling a bit with getting a few things working
[08:57] <directhex> touchpads @ Staples
[08:57] <popey> ""Server is too busy
[08:57] <daubers> heh
[08:57] <daubers> Anyone know if they've ported android to it yet
[08:59] <Psychobudgie> there are a group of 12 year olds working on it apparantly
[08:59] <directhex> daubers, why kill a good product'?
[08:59] <daubers> directhex: Ask HP?
[09:00] <DJones> Psychobudgie: I guess you've just read the same as me
[09:00] <DJones> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/22/android_on_touchpad_project/
[09:00] <oimon> pc world have the £115 one in stock
[09:04]  * daubers ponders ordering a big wadge of electrical components off t'interwebs
[09:04] <popey> i ordered one from amazon and fully expect it to not be fulfilled
[09:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer has a farnell order winging its way to him. New soldering iron tip, sucker, FTDI cable and thin (avec lead) solder.
[09:05] <gord> woo my japanese candy arrived
[09:06] <popey> yay TheOpenSourcerer
[09:06] <s-fox> Hello/
[09:06] <popey> hi
[09:06] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm trying to coat my flat in sensors over the next couple of months, seems that buying sensors from the US is _much_ cheaper than from this side of the pond
[09:07] <s-fox> Hello popey
[09:07] <daubers> i.e. I can get the bits to build a geiger counter for about £25 from 'merkia, where it would cost me ~£70 over here
[09:07] <gord> http://ubuntuone.com/p/1CFx/ -_-
[09:09]  * TheOpenSourcerer slowly navigates through Staples checkout. With a Touchpad (hopefully)
[09:10] <diplo> Nice gord, let me know if it's any good
[09:11] <diplo> Is that from the site popey mentioned ?
[09:11] <gord> tis
[09:11] <diplo> :)
[09:11] <diplo> Debated it myself, so will await your thoughts :)
[09:12] <gord> not opening it for a while, waiting for a friends packet to arrive
[09:13] <oimon> popey: trying to download episodes from http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ fails spectalularly - known issue?
[09:13] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: link? i saw sold out when i checked 10 mins ago
[09:13] <gord> diplo, http://blip.tv/youcanplaythis/i-love-candy-anpanman-grape-gummy-5414392 <-- where i got the idea from, if you want to see what its like
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: I'm halfway through checkout.  FF on my windows gaming box at home is fast, ff on the same box running 'nix is achingly slow
[10:33] <oimon> no it's not that
[10:34] <directhex> BLARG. hurry hurry, argos!
[10:35] <oimon> directhex: £349
[10:43] <andylockran> howdy all :D
[10:44] <diplo> People who went to Oggcamp, anyone know where to get the CLI Track python app
[10:44] <diplo> Fancy a play, links on cli track are obsolete
[10:46] <freakyclown> im not releasing it yet ;)
[10:46] <freakyclown> i am giong to eventually split it into seperate parts then release those
[10:47] <diplo> aha, was about to look for your name :)
[10:47] <popey> :D
[10:47] <diplo> Was looking back at the vid to find it
[10:47] <diplo> Great, will you tweet when done ? Just added you
[10:48] <freakyclown> yeah when i find time to do work on it :)
[10:48] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're quiet....busy?
[10:48] <diplo> Cool, something I have been interested in ages but not got round to looking at
[10:49] <davmor2> MooDoo: yeap, well it's that or picking on you ;)
[10:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: back to work you :)
[10:49] <davmor2> haha
[10:55]  * andylockran needs to purchase some wireless headphonse
[10:55]  * directhex needs to purchase a £89 touchpad
[10:56] <freakyclown> whats so good about these touchpads? other than being cheap?
[10:56] <diplo> heh, if you find some where shout in here directhex :)
[10:56] <directhex> freakyclown, they're nice?
[10:56] <gord> everyone just got bored of their jogglers ;)
[10:56]  * freakyclown strokes his xoom
[10:56] <directhex> freakyclown, this is proper xoom-grade competition, not those £100 android tablets you can buy with 1.6 on them
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> woo 1.6
[10:57] <freakyclown> right on that happy note..ive done far far too much work today - time for the pub!
[10:57] <freakyclown> back after some lunch i think
[11:01] <oimon> staples website is still down way after they sold their stock..
[11:01] <oimon> the "touchpad effect"
[11:01]  * TheOpenSourcerer is getting pissed off. Staples site died during checkout as did DABS and BT... Come ON ARGOS! Do the right thing.
[11:02] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, crescent electronics site: down
[11:02] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: argos have the high price, but no stock
[11:02] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer,  https://twitter.com/#!/ArgosHelpers/status/105711228139220992
[11:03] <directhex> oimon, everyone did reserve-in-store
[11:03] <oimon> :(
[11:03] <oimon> think it's taking a risk to reserve at high prices
[11:03] <directhex> argos tip: if the price has not dropped by 5:15 today, loiter on the site at 5:30 (standard argos closing time), or the closing time for your local argos, and as soon as the store is officially closed, any expired reservations reopen
[11:04] <directhex> so you can steal a reservation at 5:30
[11:04] <directhex> oimon, reservations have no commitment involved.
[11:04] <oimon> orly?
[11:04] <directhex> ya rly
[11:05] <DJones> The argos expiry for reserves is normally that they last for 48 hours though, so the order would have to have been made yesterday
[11:05] <directhex> also, pc world have half price touchpad accessories - i have a reservation for a charging dock and BT keyboard
[11:05] <directhex> DJones, right. some people did them the day before!
[11:05] <oimon> check stock in locations though shows no stock
[11:05] <directhex> every touchpad argos have has been reserved, but not purchased :p
[11:06] <directhex> oimon, that search excludes reserved items
[11:06] <oimon> do i sound confused? i am :P
[11:06] <directhex> so as soon as monday's reservations expire, they suddenly gain stock
[11:06] <oimon> my missis would like one to use as a posh kindle
[11:07] <directhex> mobile pornstation!
[11:10] <DJones> Argos is still showing them priced at around £400, are they discounting them at the checkout?
[11:10] <DJones> AT least the ones I just looked at
[11:13] <directhex> DJones, not discounting yet - everyone's holding reservations at full price & awaiting the drop
[11:13] <directhex> related note: if you tweet @argoshelpers, they can extend your resevation :p
[11:14] <DJones> Heh http://www.microscope.co.uk/news/reseller-news/touchpad-firesale-causes-server-crashes-and-sell-outs/
[11:16] <DJones> http://ipad2news.co.uk/hp-touchpad-stock-checker Play.com website says they have stocks
[11:17] <directhex> they do. full price
[11:18] <DJones> Yes, but I wondered whether you could do a reserve & collect from store as with argos and just hold onto the reservation until the price drops
[11:19] <oimon> argos arent' allowing reserve for me since there's no stock
[11:20] <directhex> gah, i'm clearly failing to communicate here.
[11:20] <oimon> directhex: i saw...i need to loiter at 5.30ish
[11:21] <directhex> argos store has 10 touchpads. 10 people reserve them. argos store states it has 0 stock, as 10 stock - 10 reservations = 0 available. reservations last until the close of business the day after a reservation is made - so if those 10 people reserved on monday, their reservations are deleted at closing time on tuesday. so at closing time on tuesday, they now have 10 in stock again, even though they didn't sell any or get any deliveries
[11:23] <oimon> maybe i should take a irl trip to staples round the corner
[11:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just emailed my mate in HP to see if he can blag me a couple.
[11:23] <directhex> they sold out at 8am. staples only carry 2 stock per store of computery items
[11:24] <directhex> so they can avoid needing storage space in stores, they calculate an estimate of how much of a given item might be needed at once, and never have more than that in stock. mcdonalds made that into an art form
[11:25] <oimon> how many people would be dashing to buy @ £199 i wonder
[11:25] <oimon> breaking even/small loss on the tablets could have built up a big customer base
[11:26] <directhex> oimon, i would.
[11:28] <directhex> loldongs, argos are extending reservations until sept 1st
[11:30] <Laney> O_O
[11:32] <directhex> i guess i'll go buy my accessories from pcw then. argos seems a dead cert at this point
[11:33] <penguin42> Amazon still not listing a delivery date on the one I ordered last night
[11:36] <ali1234> lol, it's MSM/QSD based
[11:37] <ali1234> good luck getting a real OS to run on that
[11:39] <directhex> what's a "real os" in today's context?
[11:39] <directhex> ubuntu chroots are common enough
[11:39] <ali1234> linux 3.0.0+
[11:40] <ali1234> it's qualcomm so you'll never get graphics drivers that work with anything other than the one kernel they adapted to it
[11:41] <directhex> as opposed to every single other ARM embedding company
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[11:41] <ali1234> as opposed to nvidia and TI, yes
[11:42] <penguin42> there is a chance that the drivers are in Cyanogen?
[11:42] <directhex> lolomap
[11:42] <Daviey> directhex: running inside a chroot is not that appealing to me TBH.
[11:43] <penguin42> Daviey: If you can run in the chroot I'm sure someone will figure out how to run as the main build but with the existing kernel; it's not that hard if you can do it in a chroot
[11:43] <penguin42> getting a new kernel on is of course more challenging
[11:44] <ali1234> yeah you can easily build a new rootfs to run directly on their kernel
[11:44] <ali1234> what you can't do is change any of: toolchain, kernel, glibc, xorg - and expect it to still work
[11:46] <Daviey> penguin42: well yes
[11:47] <penguin42> ali1234: No, I'd expect anything other than the kernel to work - possibly not x depending where they put the graphics driver
[11:50] <penguin42> especially if you hit it with a big enough hammer :-)
[11:50] <ali1234> given the mad rush to buy them, the hammer might just be big enough
[11:51] <ali1234> but don't expect any help from qualcomm
[12:00] <diplo> kazade, not sure if you follow hotukdeals, but they jus ttweeted Expansys, Prepaymania and Misco all going to have movement in the next hour
[12:01]  * Daviey might have a movement in the next hour.
[12:01] <MooDoo> O_o
[12:02] <freakyclown> tmi
[12:05] <popey> misco seems hosed
[12:05]  * BigRedS assumed Daviey is waiting on a touchpad delivery
[12:06] <Daviey> BigRedS: exactly.
[12:09] <DJones> A bit off topic, but can anybody recommend a free windows 7 pdf printer, I used to use CutePDF, but that seems to have changed a bit & doesn't work as well as I want
[12:10] <andylockran> DJones: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/
[12:11] <DJones> I need to be able to print multiple tabs from spreadsheets, but cutepdf doesn't do that anymore, every tab is an individual page
[12:11] <DJones> Looking
[12:11] <andylockran> DJones: used that in the past
[12:11] <andylockran> not sure how much to recommend it though
[12:12] <DJones> I'll give it a try
[12:12] <DJones> Was also looking at Bullzip pdf creator
[12:13] <andylockran> not come across that one
[12:13] <directhex> palm eurostore is DOWN
[12:13] <Daviey> DJones: Perhaps not quite what you want, but i wonder about creating a network pdf printer via cups on Ubuntu and sharing it? :)
[12:13]  * Daviey has never tried this, but it should work
[12:14] <DJones> Daviey: The machines at work only have windows on them :)
[12:16] <popey> directhex: I am enjoying your updates :D
[12:16] <DJones> The only non-windows hardware owned by the business is the sales directors ipad
[12:16] <Daviey> DJones: Gah!
[12:16] <directhex> popey, BLARG
[12:17] <directhex> popey, i have all the accessories now - half price at pcworld
[12:17] <Daviey> directhex: For your action man?
[12:17] <popey> directhex: buy me a touchpad, there's a good lad
[12:18] <directhex> Daviey, i've given up on getting multiple touchpads now. i'd settle for one.
[12:18] <popey> directhex: get me two, I'll let you keep one
[12:18] <popey> :D
[12:19] <DJones> popey: Email HP and ask for a review copy :)
[12:19] <popey> hah
[12:19] <directhex> rumour: pc world getting more stock delivered later this week
[12:20] <Daviey> directhex: i've been pondering getting 1 or 5.
[12:20] <directhex> Daviey, i could easily shift five - debian BBQ is this weekend
[12:22] <Daviey> directhex: Ah dammit!  I was thinking about going this time.
[12:23] <AlanBell> o/
[12:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> hello AlanBell#
[12:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell even
[12:23] <MooDoo> hi AlanBell
[12:23] <AlanBell> home at last
[12:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have been trying to blag a couple of cheap HP touchpads...
[12:24] <AlanBell> waved to czajkowski as we passed at the airport
[12:25] <MooDoo> AlanBell: did you karate chop her to the floor?
[12:25] <AlanBell> £89 here are they not?
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you can find one yes. AlanBell
[12:25] <AlanBell> and as rare as rocking horse poop
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> I managed to get 1/2way through checkout on 3 stores but their sites crashed.
[12:26] <popey> Busy day.
[12:26] <freakyclown> phone up?
[12:26] <MooDoo> AlanBell: i'm sorry rocking horse poop isn't rare ;) http://www.totallystupidgifts.com/
[12:26] <AlanBell> none left in bricks and mortar shops
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> I also quite fancy one of these for £46.00 http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/uk/en/smartphone/pre3.html
 rumour: pc world getting more stock delivered later this week
[12:27] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, £46?
[12:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's the rumour mill price.
[12:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> $75
[12:28] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Now you're trying to make directhex a sad bunny
[12:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> or €75
[12:28] <freakyclown> woohoo they are giving them away on ebuyer if you spend £100 or more!
[12:28]  * popey spends
[12:29]  * freakyclown giggles
[12:29] <daubers> freakyclown: ddos-ing ebuyer?
[12:29] <directhex> freakyclown, link?
[12:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[12:29] <freakyclown> not really i just made that up for lols...
[12:29]  * diplo wonders if they have the microserber on there
[12:29] <directhex> gah
[12:29] <directhex> popey, kickban time
[12:29] <diplo> server*
[12:29] <popey> hah
[12:29] <freakyclown> i just got back from teh pub - cant be btohered working so trolling it is ;)
[12:29] <davmor2> still makes me laugh the USA get the HP touchpad for $99 we get it for $184 not much difference there then
[12:29] <daubers> Bah, why doesn't anyone make a powerline adapter that does PoE
[12:30] <directhex> daubers, power over ethernet over power?
[12:30] <directhex> daubers, i want powerline ethernet that works over wireless power!
[12:31] <daubers> directhex: power over ethernet over ethernet over power :)
[12:31] <directhex> davmor2, ours includes 20% VAT
[12:31] <daubers> over
[12:31] <davmor2> directhex: 85 dollars isn't 20%
[12:31] <directhex> davmor2, it is if you squint hard enough
[12:32]  * popey squits hard
[12:32] <davmor2> nope
[12:32] <directhex> HARDER
[12:32] <davmor2> still nearly 100% more
[12:32] <daubers> davmor2: You have to take in account export/import tax as well
[12:34] <davmor2> daubers: This is why big companies have their Euro HQ here or Northern Ireland so they can dump the bulk of the tax off :)  There are ways and means my friend ways and means :D
[12:34] <daubers> davmor2: Yes, but it looks like HP have enough problems already before you start the tax/duty evasion tactics :)
[12:35] <davmor2> daubers: true enough
[12:35] <Daviey> daubers: There was one PoE adapter i came acorss 2 years ago IIRC
[12:36] <Daviey> (I was equally frustrated that it wasn't default)
[12:36] <daubers> Daviey: an EoP PoE adapter? I've found one that will do it, and it's more expensive than a EoP adapter plus a PoE injector
[12:36] <daubers> Which is rubbish
[12:37] <Daviey> that was why i didn't go for it :)
[12:37] <daubers> heh
[12:41] <directhex> expansys just sold out at full price
[12:41] <directhex> people have a LOT of faith in distance selling regs
[12:41] <directhex> tesco stock has reappeared, full price
[12:43]  * daubers just wants to run arduinos powered by PoE talking via EoP
[12:43] <BigRedS> hah, I've considered that sort of mess a few times
[12:43] <BigRedS> I keep meaning to raid some LVs just for the pointlessness, too
[12:50] <oimon1> !oneiric
[12:51] <BigRedS> before I reinvent the wheel, someone *must* already have some script/binary/something that I can run on a new server, wait, and have it tell me if it's good or not?
[12:51] <BigRedS> ideally where I get to define 'good' :)
[12:53] <freakyclown> geekbench?
[12:53] <penguin42> well if you're going to define goodness you're also going to have to write the script
[12:53] <popey> phoronix test suite?
[12:55] <BigRedS> Ah yeah, I knew someone had made one but couldn't remember the 'phoronix' bit
[12:55] <daubers> how well it copes with a fork bomb?
[12:55] <BigRedS> penguin42: yeah, I was hoping for a big script where I could just set the params at the top
[12:56] <oimon> geekbench produces metrics and is simple to install. didn't have much luck with phoronix
[12:56] <popey> Hugo Random Benchmark!
[12:56] <popey> Everyone must run that!
[12:56] <oimon> "by install", geekbench is a simple script not rquiring installation
[12:56] <popey> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[12:56] <popey>  time perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<1e8;$i++) { }'
[12:56] <popey> run that :D
[12:57] <popey> see if you can beat Seeker`
[12:57] <bigcalm> Somebody ask for a long wait?
[12:57] <BigRedS> hah, yeah, I've had a few ideas like that
[12:57] <popey> or indeed see if you can get a slowe machine than Simon
[12:58] <popey> still chuffed my desktop pc is still in the top ten after a few years
[12:58] <freakyclown> freakyclown@guerrilla:~$ cat vpenis.sh
[12:58] <freakyclown> #!/bin/sh
[12:58] <freakyclown> LC_ALL=C
[12:58] <freakyclown> echo `uptime|grep days|sed 's/.*up \([0-9]*\) day.*/\1\/10+/'; \
[12:58] <freakyclown> cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep MHz|awk '{print $4"/30 +";}'; free|grep '^Mem' \
[12:58] <freakyclown> |awk '{print $3"/1024/3+"}'; df -P -k -x nfs | grep -v 1k \
[12:58] <freakyclown> | awk '{if ($1 ~ "/dev/(scsi|sd)"){ s+= $2} s+= $2;} END \
[12:58] <freakyclown> {print s/1024/50"/15+70";}'`|bc|sed 's/\(.$\)/.\1cm/'
[12:58] <popey> !paste freakyclown
[12:58] <popey> bah
[12:58]  * Laney hands popey the pipe
[12:58] <andylockran> !pastes | fe
[12:58] <bigcalm> !paste | popey
[12:58] <andylockran> !fail
[12:58]  * popey smokes it
[12:59]  * freakyclown cares not
[12:59] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/673110/
[13:00] <bigcalm> real	0m7.685s
[13:00] <bigcalm> user	0m7.680s
[13:00] <bigcalm> sys	0m0.000s
[13:00] <BigRedS> wait, is that some voodoo to convert a mass paste into a pastebin
[13:00] <popey> haha, thats quite funny
[13:00] <freakyclown> oddly i do use it to compare servers :/
[13:01] <freakyclown> my laptop is 231.8cm
[13:01] <freakyclown> as a rough guide for people
[13:01] <oimon> are hantslug selling touchpads now? their site is down too
[13:02] <daubers> freakyclown: Interestingly my work dev box is 1678.4cm
[13:02] <freakyclown> damn!
[13:02] <daubers> I suspect that's because of the RAID
[13:02] <Laney> 383.3cm
[13:02] <andylockran> cm?
[13:02] <Laney> it should print out some ascii art instead though
[13:03] <andylockran> my laptop is 13"
[13:03]  * freakyclown suspects andylockran is doing it wrong
[13:04] <andylockran> 755.4cm
[13:04] <freakyclown> damn it is my laptop the worst thing on the planet or something?!
[13:04] <Laney> phwoar, come here big boy
[13:05]  * bigcalm horribly confused
[13:05] <daubers> This topic may be drifting somewhat away from the !CoC (as amusing as it may be)
[13:06]  * BigRedS has settled on his new benchmarking tool, ta freakyclown  :)
[13:06] <andylockran> hmm. my vps is 37.7cm
[13:06] <freakyclown> glad to amuse/help where i can :D
[13:06] <BigRedS> I just hope nobody asks for the justification behind the numbers...
[13:07] <bigcalm> 317.8cm
[13:07] <bigcalm> For my workstation
[13:08] <Laney> which part of the code of conduct does this conversation violate, then?
[13:08] <freakyclown> bigcalm: or come in half way into the channel of people pasting the results!
[13:08] <bigcalm> 391.4cm for my revo
[13:08] <Laney> the no fun clause
[13:08] <bigcalm> I have no idea which direction we're ment to be looking
[13:08] <daubers> andylockran: My NSLU2 beats your VPS at 136.6cm
[13:08] <penguin42> bah only 216.5cm
[13:09] <penguin42> freakyclown: You may just have invented the worlds most awesomely pointless measurement
[13:09] <bigcalm> iain@banana:~$ sh bench.sh
[13:09] <bigcalm> bench.sh: 7: bc: not found
[13:09] <bigcalm> Damn you Bytemark!
[13:10] <jpds> 6.5k cm, anyone?
[13:10] <bigcalm> Same on the Viglen
[13:11] <bigcalm> Back to work we go
[13:11] <BigRedS> Oh, I thought 600cm was high :(
[13:11]  * Laney rubs up against jpds
[13:11] <daubers> jpds: Which massive server was that on?
[13:12] <BigRedS> and why isn't it part of the touchpad selling effort?
[13:15] <daubers> \o/ senseless metrics
[13:15] <freakyclown> if you use the same senseless metric for all your stuff it still works :)
[13:16] <AlanBell> 1237.4cm
[13:16] <bigcalm> I still don't know if we're meant to be looking for a high or low number?
[13:16] <shauno> I can't .. no /proc on osx
[13:16] <bigcalm> Plus, without installing bc, it fails on 2 of my servers :)
[13:16] <daubers> The metric for DVD players should be "How many pringles can you load into the drawer before it stops working"
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Ah, subject matter expert? :)
[13:18] <BigRedS> bigcalm: prime is good, non-prime is bad
[13:18] <BigRedS> :)
[13:18] <bigcalm> Eh?
[13:19] <daubers> MartijnVdS: We didn't have a DVD player when I was that young. You can however put a whole bag of Pom Bears into a VHS player and it still works! (After the grown ups take it apart and take out all the pom bears, poor hungry VHS player)
[13:19] <AlanBell> subwoofers fill up with stuff
[13:20] <shauno> I recall a sibling doing something similar witha  peanut butter sandwich.  our grown ups were less successful
[13:20] <davmor2> hey Daviey does Sever still install w3m by default?
[13:20] <daubers> shauno: Where they disappointed it didn't appear on the TV too?
[13:21] <bigcalm> We didn't get a VCR until the mid 80s, so I wasn't young enough to be feeding it
[13:21] <daubers> bigcalm: That makes you old
[13:22] <bigcalm> Thank you :)
[13:22] <daubers> bigcalm: Any time :p
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> Same for me, and it was too high up on the TV for my little sister to reach :)
[13:22]  * bigcalm is a 70s child and proud of it
[13:22]  * MartijnVdS is from '80
[13:23]  * daubers was mid 80's
[13:23] <bigcalm> Sod. Stop making the rest of us feel old
[13:23] <DJones> kids
[13:23]  * penguin42 pretty much wore out the start of one tape with the daily recordings of Dangermouse :-)
[13:23] <daubers> penguin42: But he _is_ the greatest!
[13:23] <freakyclown> our first vcr had a LEAD to the remote control!
[13:24] <mgdm> mine too
[13:24] <daubers> heh :)
[13:24] <popey> yeah, just not quite long enough to reach the sofa
[13:24] <popey> WARNING: Trip hazard.
[13:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Our TV didn't have remote control - you had to get up and select one of 4 buttons.
[13:25] <oimon> was that a hitachi vcr?
[13:25] <daubers> we broke one of the mega drive controllers because it wasn't quite long enough
[13:25] <freakyclown> BUTTONS!!!
[13:25] <freakyclown> try an analog dial!
[13:25] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: My old man always points out that when he was a kid, you had to go put a coin in the slot on the TV to make it work
[13:26] <Laney> and it was uphill both ways!
[13:26]  * bigcalm goes to lick road clean wi't tongue
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> freakyclown: You are not old enough to remember the tuning dial on the front of the telly.
[13:26] <freakyclown> am to
[13:26] <freakyclown> :(
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> VHF FTW!
[13:26]  * daubers had a black and white tv with a tuning dial
[13:26] <freakyclown> me too
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> 405 line.
[13:26] <daubers> Used to run the spectrum through it
[13:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> pre PAL
[13:27] <directhex> i just had a box, and my parents would throw puppets in there. they didn't even animate the puppets at all, they just put them in the box. that was my tv!
[13:27] <freakyclown> ive just realised that after what 150 years since logey baird invented it....we have come full circle with 3d tvs?
[13:27] <directhex> (not really)
[13:27] <daubers> directhex: That sounds like AWESOME FUN!
[13:27] <freakyclown> with the flickering zoatrope esk viewing of images
[13:27] <oimon> used to have an HMV telly :-\
[13:28] <popey> i have my first black and white telly in the boot of my car
[13:28]  * MartijnVdS didn't have his own tv, just his own pc
[13:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I never had anything of my own.... joys of being the middle child
[13:29] <freakyclown> we didnt own a tv till i was about 10
[13:29] <oimon> popey: like pimp-my-ride? or are you taking it to the dump?
[13:29] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/JB4CM.png <- touchpad
[13:29] <freakyclown> oimon: you just invented a new show!!!
[13:29] <freakyclown> retro-my-ride!
[13:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: lol
[13:30] <freakyclown> do 70-80s versions of pimp my ride
[13:30] <directhex> popey, thief!
[13:30] <popey> I saw it in another irc channel :p
[13:30] <oimon> freakyclown: hey good idea :)
[13:32] <oimon> ugh i need to take the dog out before the missis returns with sprog...its raining :(
[13:32] <freakyclown> oimon: just open the door let it run out
[13:33] <freakyclown> leave the front door ajar and then when misses turns up say "oh you silly bint you must have let it out when you left"
[13:33] <oimon> doesn't work...doggy gets hyper if she hasn't been walked sufficiently..wifey would know
[13:33] <oimon> requires ball-throwing
[13:33] <daubers> oimon: Some kind of roomba hack?
[13:34] <oimon> on the plus side, if there is an olympic sport of throwing a ball with a throwing stick at an object 60 yds away, i would be up for a medal
[13:34] <oimon> daubers: swingball maybe
[13:35] <mgdm> any Arduino users in?
[13:35] <mgdm> (or clones)
[13:35] <mgdm> (not cloned humans, users of arduino clones)
[13:37] <daubers> mgdm: o/
[13:38] <mgdm> daubers: \o/
[13:38] <mgdm> Just acquired one last weekend, looking for ideas now :)
[13:38] <daubers> mgdm: I also have a clone.....
[13:38] <daubers> mgdm: \o/ i'm currently planning to put assorted sensors around my flat reporting back to a server using mqtt :)
[13:39] <mgdm> My first project is http://jimmieprodgers.com/kits/lolshield/ :)
[13:39] <daubers> mgdm: Ordering a smoke,gas and humidity sensor to start off with
[13:39] <mgdm> nice
[13:40] <daubers> I often wonder how much money people make by selling arduino shields
[13:40] <mgdm> http://yfrog.com/h3cl3zbrj \o/
[13:40] <AlanBell> so given that I have a chicken house 10m or so from the house, which is internally dry and could have solar panels mounted on it, what should I do with a nanode?
[13:41] <mgdm> weather station?
[13:41] <freakyclown> robot chickens!!
[13:41] <daubers> AlanBell: pir, temperature/humidity sensor inside the house?
[13:42] <daubers> Then a sign outside that says "The chickens are: " and 2 bits of plastic saying "in" and "out" that light up
[13:42] <AlanBell> egg alarm
[13:42] <oimon> argh wifey returned early...oimon is in the doghouse
[13:42] <AlanBell> oimon: hope that is a bit bigger than the chickenhouse
[13:43] <brobostigon> any chinese wheat noodle, suggestions for tea, by mind has gone blank.
[13:43] <brobostigon> my mind*
[13:46] <daubers> AlanBell: You could make super advanced seaweed! Simple moisture sensor, so when it's wet it's "raining" or has been raining and when it's dry it's sunny!
[13:47] <Daviey> mgdm: seriously... $25!? for  PCB board and some LED's?
[13:48] <mgdm> Daviey: I didn't pay that as I bought it off then at FrOSCon
[13:48] <mgdm> it is a lot of LEDs, though :P
[13:55] <Catbuskris> anyone ever play industrial craft?
[13:57] <AlanBell> yikes, the rasberry pi computer thing looks to be ARM V6
[13:57] <penguin42> AlanBell: In which direction are you surprised at that?
[13:57] <AlanBell> it isn't supported by Ubuntu any more
[13:58] <AlanBell> so if they put Ubuntu on it then it will be something like Jaunty
[13:58] <shauno> are there many £15 computers that are supported by ubuntu?
[13:59] <AlanBell> not really my point
[13:59] <penguin42> AlanBell: Yeh it's an ARM11 - what do you expect for that money?
[14:00] <AlanBell> ARM11 would be fine
[14:00] <Seeker`> popey: oooh, am I still in the lead?
[14:19] <AlanBell> anyone know about ARM? what would it take to build for ARM6?
[14:21] <AlanBell> or it might be ARM11
[14:24] <popey> an SoC?
[14:24] <popey> Seeker`: seems so
[14:24] <Seeker`> \o/ I'm invincible!
[14:25]  * mgdm watches as the liquid nitrogen tanks burst behind Seeker`
[14:25] <Seeker`> :D
[14:26] <AlanBell> popey: yes it is an SoC, the documentation seems conflicting about whether it is v11 or v6
[14:27] <penguin42> AlanBell: It's ARM11 - which is v6 - two different numbering schemes
[14:27] <AlanBell> or it could be both
[14:27] <AlanBell> penguin42: yeah, just twigged that
[14:28] <penguin42> AlanBell: The difficulty is that some ARM11's have different varients of v6, but that one is the plain v6 as far as I can tell; it doesn't have Thumb2
[14:28] <penguin42> or a bunch of other v7 stuff
[14:29] <AlanBell> the datasheet linked says it does thumb
[14:29] <penguin42> Thumb != Thumb2
[14:29] <AlanBell> ok
[14:29] <AlanBell> so it is not going to run recent Ubuntu ARM code then
[14:30] <penguin42> indeed
[14:30] <AlanBell> could a new Ubuntu server be compiled for v6?
[14:30] <penguin42> too much of a pita - just run the Debian builds
[14:49] <DJones> *&^%$&^& Windows, 4 hours to install updates
[14:54] <BigRedS> Hah, I get exactly the opposite complaint from my brother
[14:54] <BigRedS> that dpkg will not parallelise work
[14:55] <BigRedS> while apt is downloading, it's not installing
[14:56] <DJones> I guess its partly my own fault, I perhaps _could_ have booted into windows once in the last 5 months :)
[14:58] <BigRedS> haha
[14:59] <gord> i stopped applying updates to my windows machine, i have a methodology of "eh, i don't care." that has worked out well
[15:00] <DJones> I probably wouldn't have bothered, but since I'm going to run the payroll on it tomorrow, I thought it was better to get it up to date
[15:00] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't have anything of value on Windows, if it all goes horribly wrong I'll just get someone else to reinstall it again
[15:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Tansom] Ubuntu ATI driver - http://www.linuxlore.co.uk/2011/08/23/ubuntu-ati-driver/
[15:24] <penguin42> arrrgggghhhh - hmrcs phone menus are awful
[15:24] <MooDoo> penguin42: tell me about it, and they had me on hold for AGES!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:24] <daubers> penguin42: Press 7i to speak to the department for telephone interactions human interactions technical issues section
[15:25]  * daubers really reckons phones should have imaginary numbers on it, for people who have no friends
[15:25] <penguin42> it's like 15 levels of menus with them spending 5 minutes telling you how you really don't want to be there and want to listen to something else or look at their website instead
[15:25] <MooDoo> daubers: friends?  what at they?
[15:25] <MooDoo> s/are
[15:26] <penguin42> daubers: I like the concept of complex phone numbers
[15:26] <MooDoo> penguin42: go look on the website, you can't do anything regarding child benefits but if you go take a look, and realise you can't you can wait for hours on hold again
[15:26] <daubers> penguin42: Just dial an international number, thats complex enough :p
[15:27] <penguin42> MooDoo: Well, they say you should practice safe sex - otherwise you'll have to spend ages on hold for information about the benefits
[15:27] <MooDoo> penguin42: don't worry, as soon as this one is born, my wife's getting the bricks out ;)
[15:30] <freakyclown> daubers: thats why they invented IRC :)
[15:30] <daubers> :p
[15:31] <DJones> I wonder what mark Zucherberg would have "invented" if everybody had no friends
[15:32] <andylockran> DJones: irc
[15:32] <daubers> DJones: EnemyBook?
[15:32] <freakyclown> DJones: facebook..so you can find people you stopped talking to years ago and random people you dont know
[15:33] <freakyclown> people on facebook dont really have friends
[15:34] <davmor2> DJones: Hatebook
[15:34] <daubers> freakyclown: I have millions of friends!
[15:34] <daubers> I built them myself
[15:34] <gord> :D
[15:35] <freakyclown> bacteria from yakult yoghut doesnt count!
[15:35] <freakyclown> even if they are friendly bacteria!
[15:35] <daubers> Awh
[15:35] <DJones> Heh
[15:36]  * daubers builds some self replicating bots to continuously tell him how awesome he is
[15:36] <MooDoo> hay daubers you're awesome :)
[15:36] <daubers> \o/
[15:36]  * davmor2 removes MooDoo's batteries to stop him lying :D
[15:36] <daubers> MooDoo: I'd tell you to replicate too, but that's kinda creepy in a mind bleach requiring way
[15:37]  * penguin42 <holds>
[15:37] <freakyclown> while true; do echo "daubers is awesome";done
[15:37] <DJones> Seing "replicate" mentioned, did anyone see that a new Bladerunner was being made
[15:37] <penguin42> freakyclown: That's what 'yes' is for
[15:37] <MooDoo> daubers: so what you're saying it go forth and multiply ;)
[15:37] <hamitron> what if it is not true?
[15:37] <hamitron> ;)
[15:38] <daubers> freakyclown: You're missing some kind of forking method in that to make it replicate
[15:38] <MooDoo> freakyclown: 10 print "daubers is awsome"   20 goto 10
[15:38] <davmor2> freakyclown: No he said they tell him he is awesome that script would never run ;)
[15:38] <daubers> MooDoo: Maybe, but I'm not supplying the calculator
[15:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: shush you ;)
[15:38] <MooDoo> davmor2: eeeek i sound like czajkowski
[15:39] <davmor2> MooDoo: more importantly I'll be over your way tomorrow I can Thump you at will ;)
[15:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're not tall enough ;)
[15:39] <MooDoo> lol
[15:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: what you coming up here for any way?
[15:41] <davmor2> I have hardware voidspace that another coworker brought in for him from the states and then there is a geek bbq at 7:00 too
[15:41] <davmor2> "hardware for" even
[15:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: ^
[15:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i remember now you mentioned it
[15:44]  * daubers fills his crontab with "notify-send" commands
[15:46] <davmor2> daubers: cron != self replicating bot ;)
[15:47] <DJones> davmor2: cron might not be self replicating, but at least it'll keep daubers regular :)
[15:47] <davmor2> DJones: That Bran not Cron ;)
[15:47] <daubers> Also, apparently it doesn't work :(
[15:47] <DJones> :)
[15:48] <freakyclown> daubers: write an irc bot that does /name on the channel, then does a whois on each name then finds all the channels that they are on and get it to join those channels and rinse repeat
[15:48] <daubers> (CRON) error (grandchild #10093 failed with exit status 134)
[15:48] <daubers> freakyclown: .... interesting idea... not sure it would help bolster my ego much
[15:49] <freakyclown> and when it joins a channel it just says "daubers is awesome"
[15:49] <daubers> \o/
[15:49] <daubers> Freenode instaban I'd suspect
[15:49] <freakyclown> dont do it on freenode then ;)
[15:52] <daubers> :p
[15:52] <daubers> \o/
[15:54] <daubers> Got it working
[15:54] <daubers> now every 10 minutes, my computer will remind me that I'm awesome
[15:54] <daubers> Automatic ego massage complete
[15:55]  * hamitron tuts at knowingly coding errors
[15:55] <freakyclown> daubers: you spent FAR too much time on that
[15:56] <daubers> freakyclown: It's been bad couple of weeks :(
[15:56] <freakyclown> awww *hugs*
[15:56] <hamitron> :/
[15:56] <freakyclown> we all <3 you really
[15:56] <hamitron> it will be as annoying as windows update wanting to restart your computer
[15:57] <daubers> hamitron: At ;east it doesn't steal focus
[15:57] <hamitron> I suppose
[15:57] <hamitron> :)
[15:59] <daubers> \o/ http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4839
[15:59] <hamitron> haha
[16:00] <hamitron> so not only do you waste time making it.... but pasting screen shots of it :/
[16:00] <freakyclown> and we encourage him :(
[16:00] <daubers> hamitron: The ego massage is worth it :(
[16:00] <davmor2> daubers: wow I'm awesome you said so in that picture :D
[16:00] <hamitron> :D
[16:00] <daubers> davmor2: Everyone is awesome \o/
[16:01]  * daubers should really get back to smacking samba VFS modules with a hammer
[16:01]  * hamitron is just more so than most
[16:01] <hamitron> ;)
[16:01] <daubers> \o/
[16:01] <hamitron> :D
[16:01]  * daubers hugs a popey
[16:02] <freakyclown> right im off to sunny nodnol.....catch you lot laters
[16:02] <popey> o/ freakyclown
[16:02] <hamitron> cya
[16:02] <hamitron> :)
[16:02] <freakyclown> daubers: keep being awesome!
[16:02] <jml> it's not sunny :(
[16:02] <popey> haha
[16:03] <daubers> \o/ \o/
[16:19] <Seeker`> anyone here still use mythtv
[16:23] <diplo> Afraid not, Moved to xbmc now
[18:18] <daubers> lo
[18:33] <dwatkins> fuppes + PS3 here
[18:36] <diplo-> evening all
[18:40] <alexcockell> HI all..
[18:52] <Azelphur> successful previously mentioned headset hack was successful, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/August%202011/IMG_20110823_175853.jpg
[18:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: will ^ try and overcharge the headset battery? just thought of that :P
[18:53] <ali1234> it depends how you wired it up
[18:53] <Azelphur> I just plugged the battery into the headset.
[18:53] <Azelphur> nothing special of eventful.
[18:53] <ali1234> then no
[18:54] <Azelphur> cool :D
[18:54] <Azelphur> so yea, from 600mAh to 5600mAh, that pretty much means 10x battery life right? :)
[18:55] <ali1234> not really no
[18:55] <Azelphur> oh :(
[18:55] <ali1234> it depends on the charging circuit
[18:55] <Azelphur> ah, the charging circuit will waste some power
[18:55] <ali1234> lithium batteries are 3.2v or something
[18:55] <ali1234> the new battery pack is probably 5v
[18:56] <ali1234> so it depends on how the voltage regulator works
[18:56] <ali1234> since it is designed to run off the power adapter and be as small as possible it is probably a bit innefficient
[18:57] <ali1234> it will be a linear dc-dc probably, those are pretty bad
[18:58] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:59] <Azelphur> the stock 600mAh battery does 5-8 hours, I only want a full days usage so I can charge it at night
[18:59] <Azelphur> hopefully the extra 5000 gets me there :)
[19:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Little Brother - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/08/23/little-brother/
[19:09] <popey> evening all
[19:10] <diplo-> evening
[19:11]  * MartijnVdS finishes run
[19:16]  * TheOpenSourcerer has something probably called Labyrinthitis :-(
[19:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Getting vertigo - like being drunk but without any of the pleasure.
[19:18] <brobostigon> :(
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> swelling of the inner ear?
[19:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - something like that.
[19:18] <brobostigon> misalignment.?
[19:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> Virus
[19:18] <brobostigon> ah.
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: apt-get install clama
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> v
[19:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinthitis
[19:19] <brobostigon> :)
[19:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Hah
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> Dr Who fans.. http://i.imgur.com/rchqp.png
[19:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> The doctor has prescribed these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prochlorperazine which sound quite serious...
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Neuroleptic means "nerve seizing," and describes the semi-paralyzing effect these drugs have on the brain and nervous system"
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: at least you'll sleep well?
[19:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm.
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: is this something permanent, or will it go away?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> (usually)
[19:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I bloody hope it goes away
[19:22] <popey> My mum had that
[19:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dr seems to think it will.
[19:22] <popey> it was the menopause
[19:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[19:22] <popey> maybe you have the same thing?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: OK, that's good then.
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> men-o-pause?
[19:23] <popey> indeed
[19:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Arrghhh
[19:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> The jokes are getting worse.
[19:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Can I drink on these do you reckon?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> water, probably
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> maybe tea
[19:24] <brobostigon> i think TheOpenSourcerer. was wanting a beer, or similer.
[19:25] <brobostigon> a hot toddy, or similer, might be ok?
[19:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> The instructions advise against it but not in a "THIS WILL BE VERY BAD" way. Just like they say on a pack of Paracetamol.
[19:28] <diplo-> Guys, just trying to teach myself some python
[19:28] <diplo-> Installed pyexiv2
[19:28] <diplo-> After installing a module do you need to do anything ?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I wouldn't risk it
[19:28] <diplo-> As in reload python in any way
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: no.. as long as you used apt to install it everything should work automagically
[19:28] <diplo-> As reading the modules site it seems I'm doing wat the docs say
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: you might need to restart any running programs before they can use the module
[19:29] <diplo-> import pyexiv2
[19:29] <diplo-> metadata = pyexiv2.metadata.ImageMetadata("/home/andy/Pictures/2010/12/18/CIMG3804.JPG")
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: As long as you used "apt-get" to install, it should work.
[19:29] <diplo-> yeah i did
[19:29] <diplo-> getting this
[19:29] <diplo->   File "./exif2.py", line 4, in <module>
[19:29] <diplo->     metadata = pyexiv2.metadata.ImageMetadata("/home/andy/Pictures/2010/12/18/CIMG3804.JPG")
[19:29] <diplo-> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'metadata'
[19:29] <diplo-> Any thoughts ?
[19:29] <diplo-> Seems correct from http://tilloy.net/dev/pyexiv2/api.html
[19:31]  * MartijnVdS tries
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: works fine here in ipython shell
[19:33] <diplo-> :(
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: did you specify an explicit python version in the first line of your script?
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> or just /usr/bin/python
[19:36] <diplo-> Just /usr
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: can you try the two lines in the python interpreter (command line)
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> or ipython (it has tab completion even)
[19:37] <diplo-> Not heard of ipython
[19:37] <diplo-> Will look into now
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: it's a very cool interactive shell to test python stuff in
[19:39] <diplo-> Same error in python console
[19:39] <diplo-> kk, grabbing next
[19:41] <daftykins> directhex: nice diseases on them from being fondled is it? or just rumped <that word for the sensor input hardware> ?
[19:41] <diplo-> Still not working
[19:41] <diplo-> :(
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: what happens if you do the import, then type "x = pyexiv2.<tab>"
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: does it show a list?
[19:42] <diplo-> ah didn't try that, ok..
[19:42]  * diplo- likes
[19:42] <diplo-> Hadn't tried that
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> diplo-: ipython = win :)
[19:42] <diplo-> Yep!
[19:42] <diplo-> I like, easier way to learn
[19:43]  * TheOpenSourcerer turns on his nightly cronjob to zsync oneiric daily iso files. Will commence at 1am. Probably about time I started looking at it.
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> oneiric is getting better
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> though unity still crashes sometimes, out of nowhere
[19:45] <directhex> daftykins: blacklisted serial numbers. can't put retail firmware on a display unot
[19:46] <daftykins> oic
[19:46] <daftykins> good call
[19:47] <daftykins> directhex: i've got an order through a friends educational account on a US website, but they're delayed until the end of August - possibly they're in talks with HP about the price drop
[19:47] <daftykins> are you going to get one? ^_^
[19:47] <directhex> daftykins: i have fingers in many pies
[19:48] <daftykins> you hate straight answers don't you ^_^
[19:48] <directhex> daftykins: i've got at least three active efforts to get a touchpad on the go at the same time
[19:48] <daftykins> ah right
[19:48] <daftykins> US or UK? :>
[19:49] <directhex> when one goes green, i'll cancel the others
[19:49] <directhex> daftykins: co-workers in canada are under orders
[19:49] <daftykins> :D
[19:49] <daftykins> win
[19:49] <daftykins> i'm gonna have to get my friends to post it over as i leave here soon
[19:50] <daftykins> but got it ordered to their place
[19:52] <oimon> just reserved one at argos
[19:52] <oimon> no price drop yet though
[19:53] <daftykins> indeed
[19:53] <daftykins> expansys had 100+ last night but they're gone today
[19:53] <daftykins> no idea if people bought them hoping HP would honour the refund, or whether they marked them down in the night
[19:54] <oimon> i'm not that much of a risk taker
[19:57] <daftykins> we phoned up HP support in the US and they said they should honour the deal for the site we bought from
[19:57] <daftykins> i know that's not exactly written in stone, but it was a little better than *just* hoping
[19:57] <daftykins> plus i'm hoping we can still cancel beforehand if not
[19:58] <oimon> argos twitter feed has been ballistic today, poor guys
[19:58] <daftykins> with questions?
[19:59] <daftykins> looking now
[20:01] <oimon> daftykins: @argoshelpers
[20:02] <daftykins> interesting
[20:02] <daftykins> gotta run, battery dead, no mains nearby
[20:02] <daftykins> bbl \o
[20:47]  * daubers considers what to do on his getting old day
[20:47] <daubers> got the day booked off work, want an adventure to go on now
[20:53]  * penguin42 has the week off
[20:53] <penguin42> daubers: Bake a cake - that's what I did
[20:53] <penguin42> (last month)
[20:54] <daubers> penguin42: I do that occasionally anyway. I have the option of going and having a painting lesson at games workshop, doing something exciting with sensors and arduinos or taking a bus/train somewhere and going exploring in the big blue room
[20:54] <daubers> It'll be a monday in september so the world is my oyster
[20:54] <daubers> or anywhere within an hour and a halfs train journey of Reading is anyway :)
[20:55] <penguin42> daubers: Yeh I basically do the same thing from Manchester
[20:55] <Pendulum> daubers: get your wife to book the day off and then book a weekend away?
[20:56] <daubers> Pendulum: Too much money, we're off on holiday abroad in october so 'tis better saved
[20:56] <Pendulum> ah, yeah. if there's a bigger holiday planned already :)
[20:57] <daubers> Just had a look at the nerd day lists, nothing very exciting within my train circle
[20:57] <daubers> 'tis quite tempting to go be taught how to paint
[21:01] <penguin42> nerd day list?
[21:02] <penguin42> daubers: 1.5h from Reading I guess you can do London?
[21:02] <daubers> penguin42: http://t.co/PRsdbNn also, the problem with london is that I hate it
[21:02] <penguin42> ah
[21:03] <penguin42> daubers: Have you done Bletchley?
[21:03] <daubers> penguin42: No, but it's not very easy to get there on the train (from what I understand)
[21:04] <penguin42> daubers: Yeh I've been, it's got a station within a few minutes walk
[21:04] <daubers> Ooooh... has it
[21:06] <penguin42> transport direct reckons it's a little under 2hr from Reading
[21:07] <daubers> penguin42: National rail recons 2h13 mins and upto 3 changes (including tube)
[21:07] <daubers> also... £41 in train charges :(
[21:07] <daubers> Might do bletchley a day when I have the car
[21:07] <penguin42> daubers: Yeh I guess it depends on the time - Transport direct is showing me; reading->Paddington- Rail; Paddington UG->Euston UG->Euston Rail->Bletchley
[21:08] <penguin42> daubers: Did it with a couple of equally geeky friends a year or so ago - was a fun day
[21:08] <daubers> We should do that as a UUK think one day
[21:10]  * daubers sets another video uploading before heading to bed
[21:11] <penguin42> daubers: If you go then keep your eyes open; the things just lying around are sometimes more interesting than the things they make a fuss about - and you can ask the guys doing restoration etc
[21:11] <daubers> penguin42: Remind me tomorrow and I'll put an email to the group
[21:11] <penguin42> daubers: Here's my album from our visit: https://picasaweb.google.com/118251468822440261663/Bletchley
[21:12] <daubers> penguin42: Cool! Shall definatley try and arrange something then :)
[21:12] <daubers> Right, upload is running. Now time for bed
[21:12] <jacobw> goodnight
[21:13] <jacobw> i've just gotten back from an rms lecture
[21:15] <jacobw> so many issues raised :| somehow, the lecture was diverted in to a debate about whether council tennants should be evicted if they or their children were involved in rioting
[21:16] <barrydrake> jacobw:  I'm at tomorrow's rms talk in Nottingham.  Hope that meeting doesn't get siphoned away!
[21:20] <jacobw> it was enjoyable
[21:21] <barrydrake> great.  Hope it is enjoyable tomorrow.  I gather rms is a great speaker
[21:21] <jacobw> i think people asked him political questions just to find out what he thought about X issue regardless of whether it was relevant to the lecture
[21:21] <barrydrake> sad really
[21:23] <jacobw> he was a great speaker, but his method of answering questions didn't satisfy most people
[21:23] <barrydrake> ah!  he's a diplomat!
[21:23] <popey> hah!
[21:23] <popey> he _so_ isnt
[21:23] <AlanBell> that is something he isn't!
[21:23] <barrydrake> yeah
[21:23] <bigcalm_lappy486> I have heard other terms used for rms
[21:23] <popey> out they come :D
[21:23] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hehe. Evening peeps :)
[21:24] <Myrtti> aahhhhhhhh... fish and chips ♥
[21:24] <jacobw> he seemed to refute questions rather than answering them
[21:24] <barrydrake> [opens can o worms]
[21:24] <bigcalm_lappy486> Myrtti: late night fish and chips?
[21:24] <bigcalm_lappy486> Myrtti: do you like batter bits if they have them?
[21:24] <AlanBell> he is a bit of a character, he should stick to technology really, some of the political rants are rather damaging to his main cause
[21:25]  * bigcalm_lappy486 could go for a few batter bits right about now
[21:25] <bigcalm_lappy486> Leave the politics to Simon Phipps?
[21:25] <AlanBell> no, Simon sticks to technology really
[21:26] <AlanBell> and the impact of technology on society
[21:26] <Myrtti> bigcalm_lappy486: we've been having a project today, so dinner got a bit postponed...
[21:26] <bigcalm_lappy486> I missed the Saturday morning talk, but I thought it got a little political?
[21:26] <jacobw> simon phipps?
[21:26] <bigcalm_lappy486> Myrtti: aaaah. It's good to eat :)
[21:27] <AlanBell> bigcalm_lappy486: and we accidentally deleted the video :(
[21:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> I should watch the video
[21:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> Oh
[21:27] <bigcalm_lappy486> Doh
[21:27] <popey> heh
[21:28] <AlanBell> there will be audio somewhere I think
[21:28] <Myrtti> we changed the kitchen tap (it had been welded directly to the mains without any cut off valves) and got a dishwasher popped in too :-D
[21:28] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ooooo
[21:28] <Myrtti> been up since six to dash off to plumber supply store before the co-op guys turned up at 10
[21:28] <bigcalm_lappy486> Myrtti: at dsample's place or back in Soumi?
[21:28] <Myrtti> but eventually got everything done around 8pm :-<
[21:29] <AlanBell> RMS can go off and rant about guns and the age of consent at times, which is utterly irrelevant to anything he actually knows about
[21:29] <bigcalm_lappy486> Ah, coop makes me think UK
[21:29] <Myrtti> my flat doesn't have enough space for a dishwasher of any size :-<
[21:29] <Myrtti> apart from me myself and I
[21:29] <bigcalm_lappy486> AlanBell: why do I have this image of Alan Moore replacing RMS?
[21:29] <bigcalm_lappy486> That would be weird
[21:30] <barrydrake> hey guys, gotta go.  gnight
[21:30] <bigcalm_lappy486> Night
[21:30] <jacobw> i don't think he wanted to talk about politics, i think he can't not give his opinion on a subject, so its inevitable there will be some political content
[21:31] <jacobw> nevertheless, i enjoyed the lecture and agreed his statements.
[21:31] <AlanBell> the freedom issues of council tenants being booted out because of their sociopathic offspring is actually something he probably has a coherent view on
[21:32] <jacobw> the issue was approached from the view of people being guilty of being suspicous
[21:34] <jacobw> there was a lot of issue to take in from the lecture
[21:36] <jacobw> i found richard stallman like string theory, both posess an internal logical consistency but the statements of neither are easy to apply to real world
[21:41] <AlanBell> lol, I like that
[21:41] <AlanBell> I think he serves a useful purpose as a line in the sand
[21:41] <AlanBell> if you go past this point, you have gone *far too far*
[21:42] <Myrtti> AlanBell: past?!?!
[21:42] <Myrtti> :-D
[21:42] <bigcalm_lappy486> Hehe
[21:53]  * Laney is at rms tomorrow too
[21:56] <jacobw> slightly offtopic, is anyone else here an open university student?
[21:57] <jacobw> i've been getting errors from their web system for over a week
[21:58] <jacobw> i'm starting to wonder whether its a bad handling of a this-weeks-version-of-firefox incompatibility
[22:19] <steve__> hi is anyone there?
[22:20] <AlanBell> hi steve__
[22:20] <bigcalm_lappy486> I was, but now I sleep
[22:20] <steve__> hi AlanBell :)
[22:20] <hamitron> no stamina
[22:20]  * hamitron sighs
[22:20] <AlanBell> gord: seen bug 739812 ? is that your area at all?
[22:21] <AlanBell> night all o/
[22:21] <steve__> I was just wondering, I have Ubuntu 10.04, and I've installed the default Flash plugin, but my videos are quite choppy, and I remember someone telling me before not to install the default but to install flash a different way, and then the videos were grand...does anyone know of the other method?
[22:23] <steve__> I'm using an nVidia Geforce 5200 FX if that helps
[22:23] <steve__> I remember the videos being good on youtube etc when I installed a different way, I should have saved the other file or method, its been a while
[22:23] <steve__> :S
[22:24] <hamitron> was it some file you put somewhere in ~/.mozilla ?
[22:24] <steve__> its a fresh install so it wouldn't be on computer
[22:24] <steve__> i'll just search online i guess
[23:47] <penguin42> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/computers/ref=zg_bsms_nav_sg_1_sg   gee 1300% sales increase for touchpads :-)
[23:47] <Azelphur> omg o.O