[12:13] <Corbeaux> hi
[12:13] <Corbeaux> anyone here?
[12:15] <Corbeaux> I'm trying to reinstall GRUB on an HP-DL380, I tried using the rescue option on th install CD but I'm probably entering the wrong options for root(hdx,y). Anyone has suggestions?
[01:24] <kr8> hello people... anyone here care to help me with a mdamd raid issue on edgy?
[01:24] <kr8> make that, mdadm :)
[01:26] <kr8> why on earth does mdadm-raid try to assemble md0 on boot when i have no md0 ?
[01:27] <kr8> or rather, why does initrd do this even after a dpkg-reconfigure mdadm with a sensible and accurate mdadm.conf for an md10 ?
[01:28] <kr8> i have a feeling this issue is resolved in feisty from what i have read but I wondered if there was a hack/fix/patch magic spoon that will help me now...
[01:29] <kr8> many thanks, i hope you have a nice hot cup of coffee standing by ;-)
[04:20] <Gruelius> Hey all, im having trouble getting samba to work. I had it setup perfectly on gentoo however i cant get it to work right on ubuntu. What i want to do is have all users who dont have the right credentials get set to a guest account however if i login with my details i can shift files e.t.c.
[04:36] <Rescue9> anyone home?
[04:36] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:36] <Rescue9> Kewl... usually freenode has full rooms but no one chatting. :-P
[04:37] <Rescue9> I'm thinking about switching from Gentoo to ubuntu-server, but have a few questions first
[04:38] <Rescue9> How "stable" is the apt-get upgrade? I do upgrades with gentoo, but EVERY time I do, something breaks! I'm tired of that. How does ubuntu fair in the upgrade department?
[04:41] <Rescue9> come on guys.... someone has to have experience upgrading their server?!?!?!?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> if you are using a stable version of Ubuntu, it is very stable
[04:43] <Burgundavia> however, that depends on your server needs
[04:43] <Burgundavia> what are you doing with this?
[04:44] <Rescue9> LAMP, IMAP server, Firewall, ispconfig, etc.
[04:45] <Burgundavia> ok, that is pretty simple stuff
[04:45] <Burgundavia> do you understand the divide between main and universe?
[04:45] <Rescue9> yea... nothing big... Gallery2 and WOrdpress w/mysql takes up most my processing power
[04:46] <Rescue9> Um... I believe so. Main is stuff that ubuntu people make sure works well... universe is just opensource that others work on??
[04:46] <Burgundavia> sort of
[04:46] <Burgundavia> main is supported by Canonical with free security updates
[04:46] <Burgundavia> universe is supported by teh community and only some packages get security update
[04:46] <Rescue9> aah. ok...
[04:47] <Rescue9> I had something like that in mind... just didn't come out right.
[04:47] <Burgundavia> basically, figure out exactly which packages you need and look them up on packages.ubuntu.com
[04:48] <Rescue9> what am I looking for?
[04:48] <Rescue9> Not "packages" but what am I looking for when I look them up. :-P
[04:48] <Burgundavia> the package name
[04:48] <Burgundavia> whether they are in main or not
[04:48] <Burgundavia> which version you can get
[04:48] <Burgundavia> basically, for a server, you have two different version choices
[04:49] <Burgundavia> you can use 6.06, which is now a year old, but is supported on the server until 2009
[04:49] <Rescue9> yea... LTS and non"lts"
[04:49] <Burgundavia> or you can use 7.04, the recently released version, which is only supported for 18 months
[04:49] <Burgundavia> or sept 09, basically
[04:50] <Rescue9> Personally... I don't want or expect to use Canonical support. I've worked with linux enough to fix my own problems. My main reason for moving to Ubuntu is to avoid too many problems though. :-P
[04:51] <Burgundavia> ye[
[04:51] <Burgundavia> I enjoy the security support
[04:51] <Burgundavia> it makes my life a lot easier
[04:51] <Rescue9> So what you're saying basically is that if it's in main or universe, then it should upgrade cleanly every time, but if it's not, then it's anyones guess?
[04:52] <leonel> yes
[04:53] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:53] <leonel> and  remember  universe has no official  security updates  even  there are    and  not   security announces
[04:53] <Burgundavia> the packages in the ubuntu archive have fairly high standards
[04:53] <Burgundavia> you may run into issues still, but remember to report them as bugs
[04:53] <Rescue9> kewl. That helps lotz. At least I'm only taking a chance with a few packages, vs the whole system when upgrading.
[04:53] <leonel> so  you  must  know what  are you using from universe   and if there's  a bug  you should report it  in lauchpad
[04:54] <leonel> so it can get attention and get fixed
[04:54] <Rescue9> when a new ubuntu comes out though, the universe will be upgraded most of the time to include the bugfixes right?
[04:54] <leonel> but remember  there's no oficial support  for universe
[04:54] <leonel> Rescue9: yes
[04:54] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:54] <Rescue9> kewl.
[04:54] <Burgundavia> and there is an update tool
[04:55] <leonel> in case  you need  a newer package  you can  backportit   or request  a backport  from the next new version
[04:55] <Rescue9> my biggie was the compile time gentoo took up when updating my 800mhz 256M server. :-P
[04:55] <Burgundavia> heh
[04:55] <Burgundavia> welcome to binary distros, they are much better
[04:56] <Rescue9> ok... elaborate on backports a bit.... sorry if this is newbie stuff but I'v only been using ubuntu for 3 weeks. loaded it on my laptop and have loved it since!
[04:56] <Burgundavia> the only place I can see compiling to gain 1% is if you have that massive server farm and 1% means an hour or more of processing time
[04:56] <leonel> easier  cleaner   and  faster to install
[04:56] <Burgundavia> backports are packages taken from the development version of Ubuntu and rebuild in a stable environment
[04:56] <Rescue9> I liked the saying that I saw in the forums "I want to spend time working with my OS, not on my OS."
[04:57] <leonel> ha ha
[04:57] <Rescue9> so I can request backports of security issue packages, and they "might" get built?
[04:57] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[04:58] <Rescue9> Ok... that brings another question. Gentoo has a GLSA (Gentoo linux security advisories) that kept me informed of security holes. If the package isn't in main and I have to keep an eye on it myself... where do I find out about holes?
[04:58] <Rescue9> amd i going to have to monitor the cert myself?
[04:59] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn
[04:59] <leonel> or suscribe to the announce list for that package
[05:00] <leonel> Burgundavia: there's only  for main and restricted  not  for  universe
[05:00] <leonel> universe has no announces
[05:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[05:01] <leonel> Rescue9: I use  clamav   and it's on universe   and  I'm suscribed to the clamav announce list
[05:01] <Rescue9> where would I go to subscribe? I can't find it on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:01] <leonel> Rescue9: even  you can  fix  those packages  backporting the  bugfix   and let a sponsor  to upload your fix
[05:01] <Rescue9> yea... clamav was one I was looking at in the univ.
[05:02] <leonel> Rescue9:  I've patched  today  clamav  for  feistyt
[05:02] <Rescue9> I'm good at fixing problems... but not coding. :-(
[05:02] <Rescue9> anyway.... how to subscribe?
[05:02] <Burgundavia> for the security stuff?
[05:02] <leonel> and  I'm looking to fix  dapper's  clamav
[05:02] <Burgundavia> rss or security-announce
[05:03] <leonel> Rescue9: what packages  need  a  from universe
[05:03] <leonel> ?
[05:03] <Rescue9> not sure right now... have to look them all up. :-P Clamav for sure.
[05:04] <leonel> clamav  is  safe now  even  there's the  message that the package is outdated  but has the  security bugs  fixed
[05:04] <Rescue9> I'm starting from scratch on a new machine... so there is a lot going into it. spamassassin, etc.
[05:05] <leonel> for this case  you can  go to the  spamassassin  mailing list  and suscribe for announces   once there's a security bug
[05:05] <Rescue9> WOW..... mysql isn't in main?!
[05:05] <leonel> you can  reportit in launchpad
[05:06] <Burgundavia> shoudl be
[05:06] <Burgundavia> look for mysql5
[05:06] <leonel> mysql-server-5.0  is in main
[05:06] <Rescue9> you mean the spamassassin mailing list through http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists
[05:07] <leonel> yes
[05:07] <leonel> for that package
[05:07] <Rescue9> I was looking at mysql-client
[05:07] <leonel> or search for the CVE
[05:07] <Rescue9> it's not
[05:07] <Rescue9> See... I'm getting a bit of a lesson in security, and thats what I need more than anything.
[05:08] <Rescue9> I always relied on building the newest package to fix bugs, but if I can track the bugs myself... then I don't have to constantly upgrade.
[05:08] <leonel> mysql-client-5.0  is in main
[05:08] <Rescue9> Are you guys on all the lists that aren't in main?
[05:08] <leonel> just the packages I use :)
[05:09] <Rescue9> leonel: yea... duh. :-P
[05:09] <leonel> squirrelmail  clamav   for example
[05:09] <Rescue9> yea... squirelmail is another I need.
[05:09] <leonel> that's updated
[05:09] <Rescue9> so by looking at the packages.ubuntu.com site... if it says universe next to it, it's not in main... but if it doesn't say anything, it's in main?
[05:09] <leonel> yes
[05:10] <Rescue9> thats where I was mistaken. I thought it would say (main)
[05:11] <Rescue9> Ok.... here's an OT, but how do you keep up with what you've installed?
[05:12] <leonel> ???
[05:13] <Burgundavia> dpkg has a list of installed packages
[05:13] <Rescue9> does it tell if they are in main, univ, etc?
[05:14] <Burgundavia> there are different components
[05:14] <leonel> good question ..
[05:15] <Rescue9> leonel: ??
 does it tell if they are in main, univ, etc? ...
[05:15] <leonel> that question ..
[05:15] <Rescue9> aah.. thx.
[05:16] <Rescue9> lets get back to the backporting. whats the site to request a backport or to "submit" a backport?
[05:16] <Burgundavia> via the backports team and launchpad
[05:17] <Burgundavia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=153402
[05:17] <Rescue9> thanks. I'm looking at the launchpad page too.
[05:18] <Rescue9> I registered a few days ago in response to pigdin not getting any love. :-P
[05:18] <Burgundavia> pidgin is a tricky one, apparently
[05:18] <Rescue9> why? WOrks good with the get-deb pkg I got
[05:18] <Burgundavia> get-deb should be not trusted on a server
[05:19] <Rescue9> I'd assume they don't want to backport cause it "clases" with gaim.
[05:19] <Burgundavia> the other issue is the sheer number of other package they would need to backport
[05:19] <Rescue9> Burgundavia: agreed... it's on my lappy.
[05:19] <Burgundavia> the same issue exists with FF
[05:19] <Rescue9> yea... but theres a bin for FF isnt' there?
[05:20] <Rescue9> in the repository?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> yes, but Firefox is the rendering engine for about 15 other apps
[05:20] <Burgundavia> anything that uses gecko thus also needs to be backported
[05:20] <Rescue9> aah... yea. I see what you're meaning now.
[05:22] <Rescue9> it was unfortunate that Sean had to change the names, but thats what happens with big money gets threatened.
[05:22] <Burgundavia> he should have bowed sooner
[05:23] <Rescue9> ROFLOL!!!! someone has already put up a pigdin.im site. for aMSN.
[05:23] <Rescue9> we'll agree to disagree there. I think he should have stuck it out.
[05:26] <Rescue9> Thanks a lot for the information guys. I'll definitely be lurking the room.
[05:26] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[05:33] <Rescue9> leonel: I'd like to chat with you more about security one day soon.
[05:34] <Rescue9> Thanks again guys!
[06:20] <Gruelius> Do you guys know how i can speed up printing using windows drivers through samba?
[06:20] <Gruelius> windows almost locks up
[06:24] <Gruelius> using the http://server:631/printers/name prints things real fast
[06:27] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone got any "hard" problems they want to throw @ me, please feel free to do so.
[06:31] <foo> r00tintheb0x: Help! How can I change the root password!?!?
[06:31] <r00tintheb0x> lol
[06:31] <r00tintheb0x> just type it in here
[06:31] <r00tintheb0x> easy
[06:31] <r00tintheb0x> :)
[06:31] <foo> passwd r00tpwindab0x
[06:31] <foo> oh, wait, the user goes there, darn it
[07:03] <Gruelius> how do i rebuild my raid5 array if the partition names have changed
[07:15] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone with advanced problems that no one else can seem to solve... please don't hesitate to contact me. If i don't answer right away, thats because im in #guruhelp.  This samba server is also going to be our NIS and NFS server. For some reason, i can pull users and groups from the AD with gwbinfo... but i can tconnect to samba shares through the AD accounts.
[11:13] <ivoks> http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba3-HOWTO/domain-member.html#ads-member
[12:14] <kr8> anyone have a clue whats broken on 7.04 latest kernel and what the fix is? i'm running on last 6.10 kernel for now... :(
[12:15] <kr8> for some reason a remount of / fails with a device busy and then the /root/dev dir creation fails (of course) and i get dumped into a busybox prompt with nothing...
[04:34] <eldunco> need a quick hand if at all possible
[07:45] <Wooksta> im having a problem with ubuntu feisty server... i have an old box which was running ubuntu desktop (edgy eft) and i just re-installed to fiesty server but now every time when the system tries to start it gets past grub, i get a "Starting up..." message and then the system resets, how can i debug this issue?
[08:28] <kr8>  Wooksta: boot the recovery image or edit the boot line and remove "quiet" to see more details.
[08:29] <Wooksta> kr8, thanks just re-installing atm then i'll give it a try :)
[08:30] <kr8> Wooksta: if you run the recovery image, remember you get dumped into single user and an exit will continue to boot. not sure if all the modules are the same between that and the regular kernel image for the same version.
[08:33] <Wooksta> kr8, ok cheers
[08:33] <kr8> Wooksta: np :)
[08:34] <Wooksta> kr8, while im here, do you know of a good ftp server i can install? (wanna set this system up as a LAMP server with ftp & subversion as well)
[08:34] <kr8> Wooksta: i use vsftp but proftp might be better - if its in ubuntu...
[08:35] <Wooksta> kr8, ok cheers :)
[09:00] <Wooksta> kr8, i've tried booting the recovery image / removing the quiet from the normal grub entry but it still dont work, i get "Starting up..." in the top corner for about 1-2 seconds then it resets
[09:01] <Wooksta> could it somehow be pointing to the wrong kernel or something?
[09:02] <kr8> no you would see that...
[09:02] <Wooksta> bizzare :<
[09:02] <Wooksta> im just checking my install cd to make sure everything is ok
[09:02] <kr8> have you tried removing/disconnecting any non-essential peripherals?
[09:03] <Wooksta> not yet, its bizzare though i installed debian 4.0 just to test it and it installed / ran fine :S
[09:03] <kr8> some usb devices and sata devices cause loooooong delays in starting but perhaps something you have attached is causing the box to reset.
[09:03] <Wooksta> no periphrials bar monitor/keyboard/network attached
[09:03] <kr8> maybe a memory issue? running it too close to the end of its max speed?
[09:03] <Wooksta> scsi cdrw in it
[09:04] <kr8> if you don't need it too boot remove it. its a good place to start.
[09:04] <Wooksta> ok will try that after this check
[09:04] <kr8> run the memtest on it thru 1 pass minimum just to see.
[09:04] <Wooksta> its been runing fine with edgy dekstop on it
[09:04] <Wooksta> will do as well
[09:05] <kr8> the server kernel is more tuned though and will likely contain drivers not used for desktop.
[09:05] <kr8> can you boot the live version?
[09:05] <Wooksta> ok, i'll rip out the scsi controller after the tests
[09:06] <Wooksta> is the live version on a seperate disk?
[09:06] <kr8> yeah, on one of the other cd/dvd's
[09:07] <kr8> try booting the live version of 7.04
[09:07] <Wooksta> i could try , i know for desktop i cant install using the live gui as there aint enough ram
[09:07] <Wooksta> its an old machine
[09:07] <Wooksta> cyrix 700mhz cpu with 256 of ram :D
[09:07] <kr8> can't recal how to get rid of the splash screen though so you see all the goings on, going on :)
[09:07] <kr8> is cyrix even supported?
[09:07] <Wooksta> no idea :P
[09:08] <Wooksta> edgy worked well on it
[09:08] <Wooksta> :P
[09:08] <kr8> best check then, you could be chassing a red herring...
[09:09] <kr8> you not trying to run the 64bit version are you? ;-)
[09:09] <Wooksta> no :P
[09:09] <kr8> lol
[09:09] <kr8> just checkin
[09:09] <Wooksta> give me a lil credit :P
[09:09] <Wooksta> not too much though :P:
[09:09] <Wooksta> hmm
[09:09] <Wooksta> the cd integrity check failed
[09:10] <Wooksta> on a samba .deb file
[09:10] <kr8> well i only say that as i expect the loader is still going to be 32bit... so you would get so far... then die. no idea what 64bit code does on a 32bit cpu... it may just cause a reboot :D
[09:10] <Wooksta> think i should try another download / burn?
[09:10] <kr8> do a mem check, you need to know your minimum spec is capable and stable.
[09:11] <Wooksta> mem test running just now
[09:11] <Wooksta> i tell a lie its 128 mb :D
[09:12] <kr8> get some more ram you fool. lol
[09:12] <Wooksta> nah i just need it to run apache for my dev and thats it :P
[09:12] <kr8> s/to/tu/
[09:12] <Wooksta> its just an old banger made out of parts from pcs lost long ago
[09:13] <kr8> and you want to dev what on it?
[09:13] <Wooksta> php
[09:13] <Wooksta> well dev on my system
[09:13] <Wooksta> test / run web server on it
[09:13] <kr8> don't think that box is upto it inho...
[09:13] <kr8> imho even
[09:14] <Wooksta> hehe it was running a vent server well enough for about 3-4 months ne ways :P
[09:14] <kr8> better off runnin a minimal vm to do that.
[09:14] <kr8> anyway teatime here... have fun :)
[09:15] <Wooksta> will do & cheers for the help, enjoy ur tea
[10:30] <cottima> hello
[10:30] <Burgundavia> hello
[10:32] <cottima> I am confused about ubuntu in general, but my main questions are:  If server edition has just what it needs (I like) how does LTSP work without graphics?  2)does the desktop edition have everything or could I used the server then add what i need from the ubuntu repos?
[10:33] <Burgundavia> both servera nd desktop come from the same repos, use similar kernels, etc.
[10:33] <Burgundavia> to use LTSP, you would need to install stuff ont eh server
[10:33] <cottima> So, the only diff is a config file on what packages to install?
[10:34] <Burgundavia> basically yes
[10:34] <Burgundavia> what is installed is controlled through seeds and tasks
[10:34] <cottima> so I should read up on seeds and tasks
[10:34] <Burgundavia> seeds are pretty easy
[10:35] <Burgundavia> tasks are controlled through tasksel and are generally highlevel things, like a dns server or a lamp server
[10:35] <Burgundavia> basically, in the case of the server, the server seed is enough to get your computer up and running and nothing more, not even an ssh server
[10:35] <Burgundavia> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[10:36] <Burgundavia> those are the seeds
[10:36] <Burgundavia> then you choose a task afterwards
[10:37] <cottima> so ubuntu has centralized the configuration in tasks?
[10:37] <Burgundavia> tasks are actually a debian thing and are still pretty new in ubuntu
[10:37] <Burgundavia> the server team is still building more tasks
[10:38] <Burgundavia> of course, a task is nothing more than a group of packages to install
[10:38] <cottima> oh, I am a lazy fedora user, so that is why I do not know about tasks
[10:38] <Burgundavia> right
[10:39] <cottima> Sounds very simple
[10:39] <Burgundavia> so the key difference between fedora and ubuntu is the sheer number of packages in our repository, based on our debian heritage
[10:39] <Burgundavia> also, there is a difference in how long things are supported and what those things are
[10:39] <Burgundavia> basically, each version of Ubuntu is supported for 18 months, except for our LTS release, which is supported for 5 years on the server
[10:40] <Burgundavia> by support, we are referring to free security updates
[10:40] <Burgundavia> however, only things which are in the "main" repository are supported in this way
[10:40] <Burgundavia> those in universe may or may not be, that depends on the community
[10:41] <cottima> is it pretty simple to upgrade between versions?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> recently, yes
[10:41] <Burgundavia> between 6.10 and 7.04 there is a tool to update servers
[10:41] <Burgundavia> that tool existed for earlier versions of ubuntu, but only graphically
[10:42] <cottima> that is still good for desktop use.
[10:42] <cottima> Are you a debian user by default?
[10:42] <Burgundavia> nope
[10:42] <Burgundavia> came from RH8 to Ubuntu in 20045
[10:42] <Burgundavia> 2004, rather
[10:46] <cottima> With your transition did you find ubuntu easier and the same for easier in terms of managing?
[10:47] <Burgundavia> much easier
[10:47] <Burgundavia> I run a group of WBEL and Ubuntu at work
[10:47] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu stuff is a magnatude easier to control
[10:48] <cottima> And do you think a lazy linux user could improve linux skills in ubuntu (commandline, security, etc.)?  In other words so a lazy user such as myself would do better to the point of being on other distros in command line?
[10:48] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:49] <Burgundavia> ubuntu has a lot more sane defaults, so it is less hard to really screw up
[10:49] <Burgundavia> such as no open ports or running services by default
[10:49] <Burgundavia> or sudo by default
[10:50] <cottima> okay, is swtiching between run levels in desktop possible, so if I need I could kill graphics?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> debian/ubuntu do not use run levels in the same way
[10:51] <Burgundavia> there is no 3/5 distinction
[10:51] <cottima> ouch
[10:51] <cottima> is it possible to turn the graphic server X on and off though
[10:52] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:53] <cottima> How would that be done?
[10:53] <Burgundavia> YourMomsHero: your nick is a little bit rude
[10:53] <Burgundavia> hmm, not certain
[10:53] <Burgundavia> I run all my servers headless and my desktops not
[10:53] <cottima> HAHAHA
[10:54] <cottima> COX communications has needed a new new for a while, but fits the prices sometimes
[10:54] <YourMomsHero> Burgundavia: thx
[10:57] <cottima> if I do not know how to do a command though and want to do it graphically, do I do it from another machine or could i turn the start X or whatever ubuntu does and then kill it?
[10:58] <cottima> YourMomsHero do not feel bad, all I can get is that cable co. for my internet
[10:58] <Burgundavia> YourMomsHero: no, I am qute serious. I would like you to change it
[11:00] <cottima> oh, i was looking at his ip not his nickname, sorry.  yeah our society is too vulgar
[11:00] <cottima> Burgundavia I really appreciate your help.
[11:01] <Burgundavia> no worries
[11:01] <cottima> Thank you!
[11:01] <Burgundavia> I am frequently here
[11:01] <cottima> That is good to know
[11:01] <cottima> I am looking for a distro away from Fedora
[11:01] <YourMomsHero> Burgundavia: do you have nothing better to do than worry about my nick....?  I wasn't even actively chatting in this channel til you started talkin to me.  Either way, no I won't change it :)
[11:03] <cottima> YourMomsHero do you live near the star city?
[11:03] <YourMomsHero> star city? i'm in phx, az
[11:03] <pirroh> hi, maybe someone of you have read the same question on the general channel, I beg pardon for that
[11:03] <cottima> OH, you have Cox Comm. as your ip
[11:03] <pirroh> anyway, I'm trying to upgrade a dapper minimal install to a fresh feisty server
[11:03] <YourMomsHero> cottima: yeah they're pretty big here
[11:04] <cottima> same here, but I would like to have Verizon since they are a bit pricy
[11:06] <pirroh> oops, gotta go, hope to find you here later :)
[11:06] <YourMomsHero> if Verizon ever brings their FiOS service to my area I'll jump on it
[11:19] <cottima> YourMomsHero SAME HERE!!!
[11:23] <cottima> Everyone, food time for me, thanks and have a blessed evening.  Hope to see everyone again soon.
[11:29] <foo> cottima: See ya
[11:48] <gejr> I'm trying to add python to my apache server
[11:48] <gejr> How does ubuntu's apache handle this? as of now it recognizes .php files, but no .py files
[11:49] <gejr> I thought there would be an addhandler for .php in apache2.conf, but php isn't even mentioned in the file
[11:49] <leonel> sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-python
[11:49] <gejr> so how does the apache server know how to handle php files?
[11:49] <gejr> leonel: I have added that and the module is loaded
[11:49] <gejr> added/installed
[11:50] <leonel> http://modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/inst-testing.html
[11:50] <gejr> what is this mptest? I have no file called mptest on my system
[11:51] <gejr> i'll try following that guide
[11:51] <gejr> thank you
[11:51] <leonel> it's your python script    mptest.py
[11:51] <leonel> you can use   a handler    or  a dispacher
[11:52] <leonel> i mean
[11:52] <leonel> you can use   a handler    or  a  publisher
[11:52] <leonel> the handler is a script that will respond to all requests in a directory
[11:53] <gejr> I don't want python to only work for one filename?:)
[11:53] <leonel> and with a publisher  you can make python work  with  many  python scripts
[11:53] <gejr> so with this example it'll only work for mptest.py and no other .py files?
[11:53] <leonel> that's a handler
[11:53] <gejr> i feel pretty useless now. Guess I have to read up a lot on this :/
[11:54] <leonel> for that example
[11:54] <gejr> ok..with that in my apache2.conf i get "No module named mptest"
[11:54] <leonel> is configured for    /test  on  your   htdocs
[11:54] <gejr> I altered it to /
[11:54] <leonel> of you  request  http://yourserver.com/test/a/b/s/c/e/e/f/sa/as
[11:54] <gejr> since my example .py file is in /var/www/
[11:55] <leonel> that request will be responded by mptest
[11:55] <leonel> you need to put  mptest  in your  python  path
[11:55] <gejr> and mptest is any python file i create?
[11:55] <leonel> yes
[11:56] <gejr> it's confusing...is this python script valid? #!/usr/bin/python \n print "something"
[11:56] <gejr> with a real new line of course..
[11:57] <leonel> yes
[11:57] <leonel> but that something  must be    Content-type
[11:57] <gejr> that's what's in my mptest.py now
[11:57] <gejr> it's now in /var/www/mptest.py
[11:57] <hads> Yeah, does mod-python require you to send a Content-type header first?
[11:57] <leonel> yes
[11:58] <leonel> gejr: if  you want  like  php  does    check the config  for   the publisher
[12:01] <gejr> what's the publisher?:)
[12:01] <gejr> I'm trying my best to get it to work the way of that guide now
[12:01] <leonel> http://modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/tut-pub.html
[12:03] <gejr> i'm really struggling.. :S
[12:03] <gejr> it keeps trying to download the script
[12:04] <gejr> i now have /var/www/test/mptest.py
[12:04] <gejr> which contains what i found in the first link you gave at http://modpython.org/live/current/doc-html/inst-testing.html
[12:04] <leonel> you need to put  mptest  in your  python  path
[12:04] <leonel> not in your browser
[12:05] <leonel> i mean
[12:05] <leonel> not in your apache
[12:05] <leonel> in your python path
[12:05] <gejr> hm..this might be the problem
[12:05] <gejr> what's my python path?:D
[12:05] <gejr> /etc/python?
[12:05] <leonel> sys.path
[12:06] <leonel> print that in python
[12:06] <gejr> got a lot of hits on that one
[12:06] <gejr> /usr/lib/python2.5 ?
[12:06] <leonel>  or
[12:06] <leonel> you can
[12:06] <leonel> mkdir  /home/mypythonscripts
[12:06] <leonel> and in your apache cnfiguration
[12:07] <leonel>   PythonPath "sys.path + ['/home/mypythonscripts'] "
[12:07] <gejr> anywhere in apache conf?
[12:07] <leonel> where you configured  your  mptest ..
[12:08] <gejr> [ ]  as in optional right? I don't need the brackets?
[12:08] <leonel> have you worked with  python before ?
[12:09] <gejr> barely..I've only created really simple scripts.
[12:09] <hads> http://docs.python.org/tut/tut.html
[12:09] <gejr> I'm used to using php for web-stuff. Now I just wanted to try python for that


[00:06] <OldAl> I see Patrick is still online - is that correct?  I am still in the bzr chat room.
[02:33] <Peng> Am I doing something dumb, or is BzrDir.create_branch_and_repo('foo') supposed to raise a KeyError?
[02:33] <Peng> (Seems the format argument is less than optional.)
[02:33] <lifeless> Peng: I imagine you're doing something unusual
[02:33] <lifeless> or its broken
[02:36] <Peng> D'oh. Of course it works now when I try to reproduce it. :|
[02:47]  * Peng watches get_parent_map try to figure out that the repo is empty.
[02:59] <Peng> I can't reproduce it now. :\
[02:59] <Peng> The target *may* have already had a .bzr directory in an odd state.
[03:00] <Peng> No, wait, that raises a different error.
[03:01] <Peng> Here's the traceback, FWIW: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/152176/
[03:04] <lifeless> untested code path I imagine
[03:05] <lifeless> file a bug please
[03:16] <Peng> lifeless: filed bug #486535, fwiw
[05:29] <OldAl> Anyone there?
[05:35] <OldAl> pidgin tells me there are 116 people in room, but there does not seem to be any activity, viz people coming or going, nor do I see my nick on the list...
[05:39] <mwhudson> it's usually pretty quiet on the weekend
[05:40] <lifeless> OldAl: it doesn't matter who is here or not
[05:41] <lifeless> OldAl: everyone might be here, and noone able to answer your question. Just Ask.
[05:41] <OldAl> ah, geat!
[05:42] <OldAl> I only want to ascertain that I have connected to #bzr chat room.
[05:42] <lifeless> pidgin is correct, you are connected ;)
[05:43] <OldAl> where are you from, lifeless?
[05:43] <OldAl> I am from Canberra
[05:44] <OldAl> May I put you down as a buddy?
[05:46] <lifeless> IRC isn't like IM networks
[05:46] <lifeless> there isn't the same social-network / buddies aspect
[05:46] <OldAl> Here is a question - when I connect, I get a message: (15:51:49) NickServ: (notice) OldAl is not a registered nickname.  So, should I a) ignore it b) register and if so where?
[05:47] <lifeless> http://freenode.net/
[05:47] <OldAl> But I have registered on freenode.net - else I would not be here, would I?
[05:48] <lifeless> what do you mean by upgrade :)
[05:48] <lifeless> sorry
[05:48] <lifeless> by registered
[05:49] <OldAl> Well, I did fill out some details and was able to connect under an OldAl nick, but it showed my real given name...
[05:50] <OldAl> so I suspect that it was not complete or something.
[05:50] <bob2> you register your nick by talking to nickserv using your irc client
[05:51] <bob2> pidgin is not a very useful irc client
[05:51] <lifeless> OldAl: so each time you connect you need to login
[05:51] <lifeless> and that message says you haven't actually registered a usercode
[05:52] <OldAl> OK, so what is the button to press to start registration?
[05:53] <lifeless> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[05:53] <OldAl> and, lifeless, did you have to type in "OldAl:" in your previous message?
[05:53] <lifeless> no
[05:54] <OldAl> so what is the smart way of getting that?
[05:54] <lifeless> getting what ?
[05:54] <bob2> irc clients tab complete nicks, so you type o<tab>
[05:55] <OldAl> lifeless: OK :
[05:55] <OldAl> lifeless: That's a great help.
[05:55] <OldAl> lifeless: Many thanks for that.
[05:56] <OldAl> lifeless: I do appreciate your help.  Will read up the FAQ on registration of a user name.
[05:56] <lifeless> so actually, I was answering 'did I need to have OldAl present at the start of the message' with 'no'.
[05:57] <lifeless> not how I went about putting it there :)\
[05:58] <OldAl> lifeless: You wrote parts of FAQ for pidgin?
[05:58] <lifeless> nope
[05:59] <OldAl> lifeless: Oh, I was at cross purposes there - I am now using the tab - great "invention".
[06:00] <OldAl> lifeless: Since my nick is apparently not registered. how can I talk to you?  Is it a temporary "registration"?
[06:01] <bob2> this isn't IM
[06:01] <bob2> registration just means that a) you're allowed in some channels that forbid unregistered users and b) you can kick off other people who use your nick
[06:02] <OldAl> lifeless: Well, I don't know IM.
[06:02] <lifeless> for a) bob2 meant 'not allowed in'...
[06:02] <lifeless> OldAl: imagine that this is a table in a restraunt
[06:02] <lifeless> when you are connected, you are at the table. And everyone here can hear everyone else.
[06:02] <OldAl> lifeless: yap
[06:02] <OldAl> fine
[06:03] <lifeless> *if* you get an 'official' name badge, then you can grab someone and talk to them privately, and sit at some tables that require people to have official names
[06:05] <OldAl> lifeless: But I have chatted with people already, in separate "table" (or room), as it were.
[06:51] <mneptok> lifeless: missed you at UDS :(
[06:52] <lifeless> mneptok: Swings and roundabouts
[06:53] <lifeless> had stuff going on I would have had to shove around, and no specific things I needed to be at UDS for this time
[06:53] <mneptok> and i thought we had something *special*
[06:54] <mneptok> *sniff*
[06:55] <lifeless> we do
[06:55] <lifeless> I hear you made an unrepeatable quote
[06:56] <lifeless> so bad only its existence hit the Quotes page
[06:56] <mneptok> it wasn't that bad.
[06:57] <mneptok> Keybuk likes to paint me as a greater rogue than i am. i think it's part of his rich fantasy life.
[06:57] <lifeless> it wasn't Keybuk :)
[06:58] <mneptok> hrmf. he said he had added it.
[06:58] <mneptok> trying to make himself more attractive to me, i s'pose.
[06:58] <lifeless> I think I'd need to go check I guess.
[06:59] <mneptok> not that his rugged good looks and commit rights don't make him attractive enough.
[07:02] <mwhudson> mneptok: i even clicked a link in your blog and didn't regret it too much!
[07:02] <mneptok> mwhudson: oh nice! you got that Thorazine scrip and lobotomy you were asking for!
[07:03] <mneptok> (or you're just insanely drunk)
[07:03] <mwhudson> c'mon, the police aren't that bad
[07:03] <mwhudson> (i am disturbingly hungover for 20:00 though :/)
[07:04] <lifeless> mwhudson: hungover or drunk ?
[07:04] <mwhudson> lifeless: hungover
[07:04] <lifeless> wow
[07:04] <mwhudson> i didn't even drink _that_ much last night :/
[07:04] <mwhudson> getting old, it's terrible
[07:05] <lifeless> sneaks up on ya
[07:05] <mneptok> i have t-shirts older than both of you.
[07:12] <chx_> hi. i was wondering whether it would be possible / feasible / desirable to integrate trac-bzr-loggerhead together.  I guess a post commit hook that posts to trac and an apache rewirte rule so that the commit linking to the bzr source viewer ties into loggerhead instead?
[07:13] <lifeless> chx_: I don't know what that means
[07:13] <lifeless> nor have any idea about whether it would be good or bad to do it.
[07:14] <chx_> well, currently we use svn and commit messages (re #1234) post followups to tickets
[07:14] <chx_> that's awesome
[07:14] <chx_> The other part of the svn integration in trac is the source code browser
[07:14] <chx_> that's what i was considering replacing with loggerhead.
[07:15] <lifeless> so loggerhead showing svn?
[07:15] <chx_> no, we are migrating to bzr
[07:15] <chx_> oh now we are talking... anyone from Canonical here ?
[07:17] <lifeless> yes
[07:17] <lifeless> loggerhead can show svn btw
[07:17] <lifeless> wonders of bzr-svn :)
[07:27] <chx_> lifeless: pm?
[07:28] <lifeless> I guess
[07:30] <mneptok> oh no! the *bad* Monty!
[07:30]  * mneptok hides
[07:32] <lifeless> mneptok: does that make you the Full one?
[07:33] <mneptok> lifeless: not if you can't be bothered to visit UDS.
[07:37] <lifeless> mneptok: Sif a matter of botherment.
[07:43] <kgoetz> stupid python, stop making bzr complain about my locale :(
[07:45] <lifeless> kgoetz: install the locale data for it :)
[07:47] <kgoetz> lifeless: I'm not aware of any en_AU.UTF-8 python packages ;)
[07:51] <lifeless> kgoetz: its generally just missing langpacks, if you're on Ubuntu
[07:51] <lifeless> or it can be a missing langpack on a server.
[07:56] <kgoetz> nothing leaps out at me from the debian stable repos, so I might just put up with it
[07:56] <lifeless> kgoetz: a ew questions
[07:56] <lifeless> is it local or when pushing/pulling?
[07:58] <kgoetz> its local. and the install is pretty minimal - its netinstall of debian+a handful of packages
[07:59] <lifeless> check your local is being created
[08:00] <lifeless> kgoetz: also please file a bug if this is happening with bzr installed from a package; we shouldn't behave wrong from a package
[08:01] <kgoetz> lifeless: I don't follow - 'your local is being created'?
[08:01] <kgoetz> oh, *smacks self*
[08:03] <lifeless> kgoetz: I'll be afk for a bit, but it sounds like you've found a cluebat?
[08:04] <kgoetz> lifeless: checking local setup atm.
[08:08] <kgoetz> dpkg-reconfigure locales to the rescue.
[08:11] <OldAl> Why is it so quiet here?
[08:12] <OldAl> nobody wants to chat about bzr?
[08:13] <kgoetz> OldAl: seems no one needs support ;) it is sunday...
[08:13] <OldAl> kgoetz: No, it is not support - just signs of life!
[08:14] <OldAl> kgoetz: and just tell me, is this the bzr chatroom? (I expect so, but just to be sure. yes/no will do :) )
[08:15] <kgoetz> OldAl: I'm looking at my screen+scrollback, and i see lots of conversation
[08:15] <OldAl> Well, it must be #bzr, I hope.
[08:16] <OldAl> kgoetz: Sunday or not, I've just completed registering my nick - or so I hope.
[08:16] <kgoetz> it would seem your identified, so yes, your registered
[08:17] <OldAl> kgoetz: Thanks for that.
[08:18] <kgoetz> *you're
[08:18] <kgoetz> np. /whois OldAl to see
[08:18] <OldAl> kgoetz: I will log off and leave you in peace!  Thanks for helping me to check what is going on
[08:18] <kgoetz> OldAl: catch you nex time :)
[13:08] <OldAl> me_too: Like your nick...
[13:09] <OldAl> me_too: Are you watching the screen of bzr?
[13:09] <OldAl> menesis: Hi there!
[13:10] <OldAl> Actually it is a bit late for me - down under Canberra, the time is past midnight
[13:19] <OldAl> Noldorin: Alex, where are you? (I am in Australia, Canberra)
[13:20] <OldAl> Noldorin: irc informs me that you are on bzr, so ...
[14:42] <matt_p> Hi, where is a downloadable version of the User Reference?
[14:43] <matt_p> It can be viewed as a HTML, but there is no PDF version...
[14:45] <GaryvdM> matt_p: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/downloads/
[14:45] <GaryvdM> or http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/downloads/
[14:45] <matt_p> GaryvdM: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/downloads/pdf-en/
[14:46] <matt_p> GaryvdM: There is only the Quick Ref.
[14:46] <matt_p> I need this: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/en/user-reference/index.html
[14:47] <GaryvdM> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/downloads/pdf-en/bzr-en-user-guide.pdf ?
[14:48] <matt_p> GaryvdM: It is User Guide, not User Reference
[14:48] <GaryvdM> matt_p: It's the same thing as far as I can tell.
[14:49] <matt_p> GaryvdM: So you mean that this http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/en/user-guide/index.html and this http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.2.0/en/user-reference/index.html are the same documents? :-)
[14:50] <GaryvdM> matt_p: Sorry - I'm wrong. It's not the same.
[14:51] <GaryvdM> matt_p: Sorry  - I don't know then.
[14:51] <GaryvdM> matt_p: igc will know. But he will probably be asleep now. He is in Austraila
[14:52] <matt_p> GaryvdM: OK, thanks.
[14:57] <matt_p> Oh, I have a second question... I use Bzr and I understand its concepts as a user. But what is the right relation between branches and repositories? (Shared) repo contains the revisons in their physical forms and the branches only point to the relevant revisions?
[14:58] <GaryvdM> matt_p: Yes. A branch has just a pointer to the latest revision, tags, and config
[14:58] <gioele> matt_p: yes, repositories holds all the information: file contents, deltas, other common info
[14:58] <GaryvdM> matt_p: A stand alone branch has a repository
[14:59] <GaryvdM> *has it's own repository
[14:59] <gioele> matt_p: http://bazaar-vcs.org/CategoryTerm
[14:59] <GaryvdM> gioele: Nice collaboration :-)
[14:59] <gioele> GaryvdM: :)
[15:00] <matt_p> GaryvdM, gioele: great, thank you.
[15:00] <gioele> matt_p: in particular the first sentence of http://bazaar-vcs.org/Branch
[15:09] <pitseleh> hi, i'm trying to host a bazaar server
[15:09] <pitseleh> so i start the server with bzr-2.6  server --directory=/mnt/md1/public/Glen/Repos
[15:09] <pitseleh> and i can branch from it fine
[15:09] <pitseleh> but when i try to push it tells me operation not possible: readonly transport
[15:10] <pitseleh> pushing to bzr://ip/myrepo
[15:10] <pitseleh> i'm obviously missing a step..
[15:10] <GaryvdM> pitseleh: you need bzr server --allow-writes
[15:10] <pitseleh> GaryvdM: ah, thanks for that :)
[15:11] <pitseleh> works perfectly :D, wonderful
[17:14] <Lo-lan-do> Hi jelmer :-)
[17:15] <jelmer> hey Lo-lan-do
[17:15] <Lo-lan-do> For some reason my changes don't work anymore.
[17:15] <Lo-lan-do> (Even given the stretched value of "work" I used)
[17:18] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: it might be nice to have some tests for this code first and figure out the right approach
[17:20] <Lo-lan-do> Probably, yes.  Is there a tutorial on that, or should I just read the existing tests?
[17:21] <Lo-lan-do> Also, it might be a bit complex, since I'm trying to do git+ssh:// with a git client…
[17:33] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: There isn't anything like that at the moment, in fact I don't think we have any tests for the server side
[17:34] <jelmer> you should be able to test with the git:// server though, since the protocol should be the same
[17:35] <jelmer> testing with ssh will be trickier
[17:36] <Lo-lan-do> I think maybe the "git proxy" configuration could help
[17:49] <Lo-lan-do> Actually, $GIT_SSH pointing at a custom script can do the trick :-)
[17:50] <jelmer> Lo-lan-do: isn't that kinda hard to set up in the tests though?
[17:58] <Lo-lan-do> I don't think so.  It's just an environment variable.
[17:59] <Lo-lan-do> And a 30-line shell script.
[18:03] <Lo-lan-do> http://pastebin.com/f1db8ac6c
[18:03] <Lo-lan-do> Stick that in a script, point $GIT_SSH at it, and there you go, git+ssh:// without ssh :-)
[18:04] <Lo-lan-do> I'm off to dinner, but I'll probably start doing unit tests afterwards.
[18:48] <eli_> hi, when you do 'bzr init' and then 'bzr add' it should add all subdirs. correct?
[18:49] <eli_> the part is that when i do 'bzr status' i get a good chunck of unknown objects
[18:50] <Lo-lan-do> Objects that were created later on?
[18:50] <eli_> even doing 'bzr add foldername' and then do 'bzr status' the foldername will still show up under unknown
[18:50] <eli_> nope, the objects are already there
[18:51] <eli_> it only adds two directories out of about 10
[18:52] <eli_> that is not how bzr normally acts. right?
[18:52] <beuno> eli_, that is not expected behavior, no
[18:53] <LarstiQ> it should either add or ignore, no unknowns
[18:53] <eli_> hmm
[18:53] <eli_> it even treats .bzrignore as an unknown
[18:53] <LarstiQ> that can happen
[18:53] <eli_> i'm using version 2.0.1
[18:54] <LarstiQ> if you manually create the file
[18:54] <LarstiQ> without using `bzr ignore`
[18:54] <LarstiQ> eli_: it's not perchance already versioned? (Different vcs maybe)
[18:55] <eli_> you mean having .svn in the subdirs?
[18:56] <LarstiQ> eli_: oh, that might explain it
[18:56] <LarstiQ> eli_: if you also have bzr-svn installed that is
[18:57] <eli_> LarstiQ, i think your suggestion may have hit it.
[18:57] <eli_> It was not .svn, there were .bzr in each subdir
[18:58] <LarstiQ> yeah
[18:58] <eli_> bingo, adding everything now :)
[18:58] <eli_> Thanks!
[18:58] <LarstiQ> that is indeed a case I forgot that will result in unknown dirs :)
[18:58] <LarstiQ> eli_: cheers!
[19:00] <eli_> is there a way to list just the unkowns in bzr?
[19:01] <LarstiQ> `bzr ls --unknowns`
[19:01] <LarstiQ> optionally with -R
[19:02] <eli_> excellent. bzr is already proving much more handy than hg and svn :)
[19:03] <LarstiQ> I'm glad to hear that :)
[19:03] <LarstiQ> though a bit surprised perhaps, how is hg lacking?
[19:12] <eli_> hg is creates larger histories than bzr. at least in my case
[19:19] <chx_> So yeah i was trying to research hg vs bzr vs git (not in speed) for recetn versions and ... hmm...
[19:21] <GaryvdM> chx_: and ?
[19:21] <chx_> empty/
[19:21] <chx_> i cant find anything
[19:22] <LarstiQ> chx_: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Benchmarks ?
[19:22] <chx_> as said, not in speed
[19:22] <chx_> we can simply take it granted they are all fast.
[19:22] <LarstiQ> chx_: no, this is disk space
[19:22] <GaryvdM> chx_: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/migration/en/why-switch-to-bazaar.html
[19:24] <GaryvdM> chx_: Both my url, and LarstiQ's are up to date documents.
[19:26] <chx_> oh
[19:26] <chx_> the latter is very nice
[19:26] <chx_> how come i couldnt find it this with google
[19:27] <LarstiQ> chx_: what did you google on?
[19:27] <GaryvdM> I found it with http://www.google.com/search?q=why+bzr , But I knew the name of the doc.
[19:27] <chx_> bzr git comparison
[19:27] <chx_> bzr vs git
[19:28] <chx_> I am reading this
[19:28] <chx_> and though i myself am using bzr since long, i find interesting pieces
[19:28] <chx_> how do i create a bound branch?
[19:28] <GaryvdM> chx_ bzr checkout
[19:29] <chx_> oh that
[19:29] <chx_> i see.
[19:29] <GaryvdM> chx_: or if you allready have a branch, bzr bind
[19:29] <chx_> nice
[19:30] <chx_> another question , hardlinks
[19:30] <chx_>   --hardlink            Hard-link working tree files where possible.
[19:30] <chx_> i see that
[19:30] <chx_> this hardlinks files inside .bzr i presume?
[19:31] <GaryvdM> I'm not sure
[19:31] <Peng> It explicitly says "working tree files", so probably not.
[19:31] <LarstiQ> 'working tree' suggest otherwise, but I don't know what it does
[19:31] <LarstiQ> hey Peng ;)
[19:31] <chx_> huh that would be nice but challenging what happens if someone edits one such file...?
[19:32] <Peng> chx_: Yeah. If your text editor doesn't break links, it won't work for you. That's why it's not the default.
[19:33] <chx_> Peng: and which editors breaks...?
[19:33] <Peng> chx_: No idea!
[19:33] <LarstiQ> vim breaks hardlinks, so that should work
[19:33] <LarstiQ> I'm sure emacs can too
[19:34] <chx_> it would need to save the file under a diff name , rm the oriiginal and mv back
[19:34] <chx_> i presume that's not hard.
[19:35] <Peng> It's a nice way of making the write a bit safer, too.
[19:39] <eli_> is there a way to have bzr to not create histories of binary files?
[19:39] <eli_> rather than an outright ignore?
[19:41] <eli_> for example, i have several subdirs with binaries and scripts
[19:41] <eli_> i would like to version control the scripts
[19:41] <eli_> but not the binaries.
[19:42] <eli_> but, if i do push or pull with bzr i'd like to have the binaries move between systems
[19:42] <eli_> probably sounds like a dream, but that would well for me
[19:42] <LarstiQ> nope, something is either versioned or not.
[19:42] <LarstiQ> (likewise, there is no 'precious' class of unknowns)
[19:43] <LarstiQ> eli_: you fear the binaries would take up a lot of space?
[19:43] <eli_> yep
[19:43] <eli_> tons
[19:43] <eli_> but i do need them synced between two computers
[19:44] <eli_> and keep version control on the scripts
[19:44] <LarstiQ> can the binaries be generated from something else?
[19:45] <eli_> nope, the binaries are data files. they are not dynamically generated
[19:45] <LarstiQ> ok
[19:45] <LarstiQ> could you maybe version them in a separate branch?
[19:45] <LarstiQ> and have symlinks in the original?
[19:46] <eli_> that would seperate out the binaries from the scripts
[19:47] <eli_> generating the symlinks would be the next complication. we're talking +10,000 binaries
[19:48] <LarstiQ> woha
[19:48] <eli_> yeah, lots
[19:48] <LarstiQ> not your typical usecase :)
[19:48] <eli_> nope ;)
[19:48] <eli_> would it be possible to do a layer of rsync with bzr?
[19:49] <eli_> rsync for the binaries
[19:49] <LarstiQ> you could maybe hack up a plugin (based push-and-update?) to do something like that
[19:49] <eli_> and bzr for version control
[19:49] <LarstiQ> eli_: yeah
[19:49] <eli_> even with the binaries in the same dirs as the scripts?
[19:49] <LarstiQ> yes
[19:49] <eli_> hmmm
[19:50] <eli_> that would work then
[19:50] <LarstiQ> it would be a plugin tailored to your workflow
[19:50] <LarstiQ> (or more general if you wish)
[19:50] <eli_> i know quite a few people in my field who would use such a workflow
[19:50] <eli_> ill write it up then
[19:51] <eli_> thanks for your help in brainstorming on this :)
[19:51] <eli_> adios!
[19:51] <LarstiQ> eli_: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/plugins/en/push_and_update-plugin.html is what I'd start with
[19:52] <eli_> Thanks
[19:52] <eli_> will looks into
[20:33] <maxb> I am not familiar with the bzr test system. Can anyone suggest what I should look into when a test 'fails'  because it starts thinking normal progress messages are errors?
[20:34] <maxb> errors:
[20:34] <maxb> 'All changes applied successfully.\nCommitting to: /tmp/testbzr-LDqLMO.tmp/bzrlib.plugins.rebase.test_blackbox.TestRebaseSimple.test_rebase_merge/work/main/feature/\nCommitted revision 3.\nAll changes applied successfully.\nCommitting to: /tmp/testbzr-LDqLMO.tmp/bzrlib.plugins.rebase.test_blackbox.TestRebaseSimple.test_rebase_merge/work/main/feature/\nCommitted revision 3.\nAll changes applied successfully.\nCommitting to: /tmp/testbzr-LDqLMO.tmp/bzrlib.plugins.re
[20:34] <maxb> base.test_blackbox.TestRebaseSimple.test_rebase_merge/work/main/feature/\nCommitted revision 4.\nAll changes applied successfully.\nCommitting to: /tmp/testbzr-LDqLMO.tmp/bzrlib.plugins.rebase.test_blackbox.TestRebaseSimple.test_rebase_merge/work/main/feature/\nCommitted revision 5.\n'
[20:35] <LarstiQ> that's a bit unreadable
[20:36] <LarstiQ> maxb: but blackbox tests especially look at the output the cli produces
[20:36] <LarstiQ> if that doesn't match with what the test expect, it flags
[20:38] <lifeless> maxb: ask 'is the new output what I want'?
[20:38] <lifeless> maxb: if yes, change the test. If no, change your code.
[20:38] <maxb> hmm. I wonder why I am getting stderr output when before there was none at all
[20:39] <maxb> All I've done is change rebase parent selection logic
[22:13] <igc> morning
[22:15] <OldAl> igc: good morning.
[22:15] <OldAl> poolie: top of the morning, to you too.
[22:15] <poolie> hello
[22:16] <OldAl> poolie: Strange, but have no questions to  ask right now...
[22:16] <igc> hi poolie
[22:16] <poolie> hi igc
[22:18] <poolie> spiv, hi?
[22:18] <igc> OldAl: so pull, merge and push are all in handled in the one qbzr module IIRC
[22:19] <igc> OldAl: bound branch or otherwise, pull is the way to update a local mirror
[22:19] <igc> so it's pretty useful
[22:21] <OldAl> igc: I am sure it is.
[22:22] <igc> OldAl: so starting on a small change to qpull is a good, safe way of beginning qbzr hacking
[22:22] <OldAl> Have 'they' (who?) used gtk or Qt for the GUI of qrun?
[22:22] <OldAl> I would prefer to put my hands into Qt rather than gtk
[22:23] <igc> OldAl: any command startng with 'q' is Qt based, not Gtk
[22:23] <OldAl> igc: Ah, great!
[22:23] <OldAl> igc: that puts my mind at ease on that score.
[22:24] <igc> OldAL: one more social thing: in open source, we value self-selection over central assignment
[22:24] <igc> so me assigning bits of work to people isn't the way to go
[22:24] <OldAl> igc: I know tha well.
[22:25] <OldAl> igc: Why not suggest stuff to start on - individually.  Nobody should mind suggestions...
[22:25] <igc> instead, I ask for volunteers, people enter changes in our bug/wishlist tracker and assign them to themselves instead
[22:25] <OldAl> igc: not if they want to work on it.
[22:25] <igc> OldAl: sure, individual suggestion for people keen to get started in excellent
[22:26] <igc> that's why I'm suggesting you working on qpul first :-)
[22:26] <igc> OldAl: I'll raise the minor bug I'm thnking of now
[22:26] <OldAl> igc: I gather that and am happy to look at.  But then there is a bigger question of how to get
[22:27] <OldAl> igc: things to speed up in the "documentation" group and I thought I would make a suggestion - to you :)
[22:28] <OldAl> igc: But I don't want to do it in public before I suss out if you would be agreable.
[22:28] <OldAl> igc: No conspiracies - but just that I don't want to be too big a PITA with suggesting something that my appear as extra work.
[22:30] <OldAl> igc: If you are satisfied with the response, that is fine: if not, then there is a suggestion that I want to make, if agreeable to YOU, as it would affect you if you accept it.
[22:32] <igc> OldAl: here's the bug you could work on: bug 486843
[22:32] <igc> OldAl: don't worry about public suggestions being a PITA
[22:33] <igc> OldAl: even if I don't agree, someone else may step up and do it or refine your idea
[22:34] <igc> OldAl: if in any doubt, favour open communication over private emails and IRC chats
[22:34] <OldAl> ubottu: Thanks for the bug 486843. "Being too verbose" is my problem, usually. I do feel that verbosity is superior to lack of clarity.
[22:35] <OldAl> ubottu: So who is the midget inside of you? (Reminds me of a chess playing "machine")
[22:37] <igc> OldAl: ubottu really is code, not a person
[22:38] <OldAl> igc: I am in agreement with "public" preference to "private".  Alas, some things, like disabilities, may want to be kept private.
[22:38] <igc> OldAl: very useful though - just say "bug xxx" and ubutto will display the bug summary
[22:38] <igc> OldAl: right. Personal stuff is best kept personal
[22:38] <igc> and private
[22:38] <OldAl> igc: xxx is the number?
[22:39] <igc> yep
[22:39] <igc> just #xxx might be enough as well
[22:39] <igc> iirc
[22:40] <OldAl> igc: Actually, I don't mind to talk about *my* disabilities, but what I do - or do not do - affect the disabilities of others and that I want to keep private.
[22:42] <OldAl> igc: also things like my experience and qualifications - it is rather a long list and requires explanation, but I feel it would be helpful to know for people that may try to get something useful done by me...
[22:43] <OldAl> igc: Basically, again I try not to be a PITA, seldom successfully.
[22:44] <OldAl> igc: Clarify: my tries at avoiding being a PITA are seldom successful.
[22:45] <igc> OldAl: so my suggestion is to create a Wiki page or blog with your experience and skills. See http://ianclatworthy.wordpress.com/about/ for an example
[22:50] <OldAl> igc: Just looked at your blog. Impressive! I guess for me it would be easiest to make something vaguely similar in my home page on PCUG and just pass on the open address, which, however, is not obvious to casual visitors (like there are no links to it in the face page.)
[22:54] <OldAl> igc: clarification: PCUG is the PC Users Group in Canberra, very supportive of ONE OS, though not from the bunch of people who run the Internet Service, the admins.  (The admins are very supportive of their independence of any elected bodies of PCUG :) )
[22:55] <OldAl> igc: My last  sentence is clear as mud...
[22:55] <igc> OldAl: sure. Or add http://bazaar-vcs.org/OldAl
[22:57] <OldAl> igc: OK, that is simpler!  Easier to see for anyone that may be interested in my experience and qualifications.  Will give it a good run!
[22:57] <OldAl> igc: Thanks - have a call from my real boss!
[23:04] <spiv> Good morning.
[23:08] <igc> hi spiv
[23:18] <poolie> hello spiv
[23:19] <poolie> spiv, enquiring minds want to know about the patch pilot project :)
[23:19] <lifeless> poolie: well I'm on this week
[23:19] <lifeless> in my personal time
[23:19] <poolie> i know
[23:20] <poolie> i am obliquely asking spiv to send a mail about how the first week went
[23:20] <spiv> poolie: composing mail about that :)
[23:20] <poolie> :)
[23:20] <poolie> thanks for doing it this week lifeless
[23:22] <lifeless> spiv: be sure to call for more folk
[23:22] <spiv> lifeless: good idea
[23:28] <jdub> what's the sanest way to get a recent bzr for RHEL? EPEL appears to have 1.3
[23:28] <jdub> somehow this system has 1.5, but i dunno where from
[23:29] <lifeless> jdub: wget the tar
[23:37] <mlh> jdub: IF you wanted an rpm ANd you were comfortablish with src.rpms, you could try the src.rpm for F12 (which is bzr 2.0.2)


[07:43] <wliao> hi. i'm trying to help iso-testing.
[07:43] <wliao> however, it seems that all the build cannot be found.
[07:44] <wliao> i always get this error msg.This build wasn't found on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20101007/maverick-alternate-amd64.iso (may no longer exists)
[07:44] <ara> good morning
[07:44] <ara> wliao, iso testing starts the week before alpha 1
[07:45] <wliao> sorry. i didnt quite under stand the schedule.
[07:45] <ara> wliao, Nov 30th is a good date to come
[07:45] <wliao> ara, thanks.
[07:45] <ara> wliao, any time
[07:45] <wliao> ara, im wondering what else can i do?
[07:47] <ara> wliao, it is a bit earlier in the cycle for testing the development version
[07:47] <ara> wliao, you can help with SRU
[07:47] <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[08:08] <ara> mvo, good morning
[08:09] <ara> mvo, I added a ppa to the software sources and it didn't refresh the apt cache (maverick)
[08:25] <mvo> hey ara
[08:25] <ara> mvo, hey
[08:25] <mvo> ara: did you use add-apt-repository?
[08:26] <ara> mvo, I used the gtk interface ("Software Sources")
[08:27] <mvo> ara: meh, that should do that automatically
[08:27] <mvo> ara: it did not ask you nor did it automatically?
[08:28] <ara> mvo, no :(
[08:30] <mvo> on mav? dang, I check it out
[08:30] <mvo> ara: what was the ppa?
[08:30] <mvo> ara: did you do it via software-center or run software-sources directly (just so that I can easier reproduce it)?
[08:31] <ara> mvo, via software-center
[08:31] <ara> ppa:gm-dev-launchpad/ppa
[08:43] <primes2h> ara: 'morning.
[08:43] <primes2h> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/DevEnv
[08:44] <primes2h> .htaccess doen't exist on ubuntu-qa-website/code
[08:44] <ara> hello primes2h
[08:44] <primes2h> s/doen/doesn
[08:44]  * ara checks
[08:44] <primes2h> ara: hold on,
[08:45] <primes2h> I found out, it is in modules subdir
[08:45] <primes2h> ara: I update the wiki
[08:45] <ara> primes2h, ok, thanks
[08:47] <primes2h> ara: do you think it is worth adding a procedure to force installing php 5.2 on Lucid/Maverick?
[08:49] <primes2h> I mean "how to force"
[08:50] <primes2h> like creating /etc/apt/preferences.d/php file
[08:50] <ara> primes2h, sure, any thing you might find missing in the documentation, feel free to add it
[09:14] <mvo> ara: hrm, odd - I can not reproduce the failure here (the worst kind of bug)
[09:15] <ara> :(
[09:21] <ara> mvo, traceback when I close the software sources dialog: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/533401/
[09:43] <mvo> oh
[09:43] <mvo> ara: anything in /var/crash ?
[09:46] <mvo> ara: do you have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gm-dev-launchpad-ppa-maverick.list ?
[09:46] <ara> mvo, nothing in /var/crash. and yes, I have it in /etc/apt..
[09:47] <mvo> odd, the error looks like it was expecting it and not finding it
[11:37] <primes2h> ara: I get this psql: FATAL:  Ident authentication failed for user "qatracker"psql: FATAL:  Ident authentication failed for user "qatracker"  trying to populate the database
[11:37] <primes2h> Just one :-) psql: FATAL:  Ident authentication failed for user "qatracker"
[13:19] <primes2h> ara: in fact I get the same error reconfiguring drupal with qatracker as username, password and db name and using default options (ident as authentication mode)
[13:24] <primes2h> if I re-try the reconfiguration, it works but I get the same error after psql qatracker < /tmp/dump_qatracker_safe.tar.gz
[13:27] <pokrak> l
[14:59] <jibel> spineau, hi, any update on the totem testcase ?
[14:59] <jibel> pedro_, thanks for brasero, I'm reviewing it.
[15:00] <pedro_> jibel, awesome! thanks
[15:01] <spineau> jibel: hi, I found a way to check that a playback is well ... played with some fft stuff. I'm designing the mago class for that now
[15:01] <pedro_> jibel, i'm modifying the baobab one following your recommendations on the brasero , will update the branch and propose shortly
[15:03] <pedro_> spineau, nice!, perhaps we could use that class for checking banshee ;-)
[15:05] <jibel> spineau, great, do you think you'll get some results today ?
[15:05] <spineau> pedro_: sure !
[15:06] <spineau> jibel: I expect to have results this week
[15:06] <spineau> jibel: I will let you know of course
[15:06] <jibel> pedro_, thanks, i'll review boabab with pleasure
[15:07] <jibel> spineau, if you can post even a basic testcase today that would be great.
[15:15] <mvo> what branches do you guys have this in? I'm curious too see what the code looks liek
[15:16] <mvo> (and how to leverage it for software-center ;)
[15:23] <jibel> mvo, lp:mago
[15:30] <mvo> thanks
[16:05] <jibel> mvo, your help is more than welcome, that would be awesome.
[16:51] <charlie-tca> QA meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 10 minutes
[21:14] <cprofitt> hggdh: I need some advice on loco-testing if you have a few minutes
[21:15] <hggdh> cprofitt: shoot
[21:15] <cprofitt> when does ISO testing start?
[21:16] <cprofitt> do we have people on -testing that would be willing to walk some loco folks through the process via IRC?
[21:21] <hggdh> ISO tests could start now; care should be taken in that Natty is changing frequently right now, though
[21:21] <cprofitt> ok.. sounds good... ISO testing goes through beta?
[21:22] <hggdh> and yes, any of us would be happy to walk testers through the process
[21:22] <hggdh> ISO testing goes on until release :-)
[21:22] <cprofitt> awesome
[21:22] <hggdh> and we want to add more tests (not necessarily ISO)
[21:23] <cprofitt> Alright... I am working on crafting an email to go out on the loco teams list
[21:23] <cprofitt> and invite them all to come help with testing...
[21:23] <cprofitt> the first step being ISO testing
[21:23] <cprofitt> I am shooting for next week
[21:23] <hggdh> the only issue on ISO testing now is the site is not accepting input (it is only officially opened for the milestones
[21:24] <cprofitt> do you think it would be possible (or even necessary) for a class to be run on how ISO testing is done?
[21:24] <cprofitt> I am thinking IRC
[21:24] <hggdh> IDK, but it probably would not hurt
[21:24] <hggdh> and yes, IRC
[21:25] <hggdh> if you go -- right now -- to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ you will see that we still have the results from the 10.10 final test
[21:27] <cprofitt> yep
[21:27] <cprofitt> I noticed that the week back from UDS
[21:27] <cprofitt> which is why I was asking
[21:28] <hggdh> so what would happen is we can still use the tests instructions, but we cannot update iso.qa.u.c -- but we still can open bugs and tag them QA
[21:28]  * cprofitt nods
[21:28] <cprofitt> sounds good...
[21:28] <cprofitt> when does the iso.qa.u.c open?
[21:29] <hggdh> it will open for alpha1 -- the week before or so (officially)
[21:29]  * cprofitt nods
[21:29] <cprofitt> ok
[21:30] <cprofitt> I will send you an email when I get the rough draft done and work with Paolo and pleia to see if we can get an IRC session setup for loco leads
[21:38] <hggdh> OK


[03:34] <foxbuntu> unimaginative, which kernel?
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> I'm running mythtv .21 on mythbuntu
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> my understanding is that all I should have to do for firewire priming is modify the backend init.d file to execute mythprime
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> I have done that
[04:52] <Cyber-Dogg> but I'm still not able to get firewire working from my STB
[04:53] <unimaginative> foxbuntu, Linux livingroom 2.6.28-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Sat Jul 25 01:19:55 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:53] <Cyber-Dogg> prior to coming to mythbuntu (last night in fact) I had a gentoo box working with firewire on this STB, so I know it's not a 5C issue or anything
[04:56] <Cyber-Dogg> i also can't get my ati remote wonder working... but I'm less concerned about that :-)
[05:52] <styelz> Eagle Eye wasnt bad
[05:53] <styelz> woopsies
[06:00] <Cyber-Dogg> hey
[06:00] <Cyber-Dogg> I just installed mythbuntu
[06:00] <Cyber-Dogg> I'm looking for the source to get the 6200ch
[06:00] <Cyber-Dogg> apt-get source mythtv doesn't work for me
[06:01] <Cyber-Dogg> it says could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists....
[09:15] <croppa> hi all
[09:18] <croppa> I have just reinstalled mythtv and all is working on the main box however I cannot get into see tv or recordings on another computer
[09:18] <croppa> the error is "No UPnP backends found"
[09:19] <croppa> I rember once having to change permissions or something but I connot remember
[09:20] <croppa> Can someone remind me please?
[09:20] <croppa> Thanks
[10:34] <kavorka> how do i stop the mythbuntu splash screen from showing on startup? basically i want to see the console scroll past to pinpoint potential problems
[12:12] <styelz> i thought it did that, if any probs were found
[12:12] <styelz> oh
[12:15] <notlistening__>  Hi is there still a know issue with the channel scranning when using DVB-T an it getting the wrong frequencies? I ma using version 0.21.0
[12:15] <notlistening__>  with the latest fixes
[12:27] <Kavorka_> hi guys, finally got my mythbuntu frontend working the way i want it but for the life of me i cant figure out how to get myth in fullscreen...ie i have the xfce panel stuck at the top
[12:38] <styelz> Kavorka_: do you have compiz running
[12:38] <styelz> trun it off
[12:38] <Kavorka_> no i dont
[12:38] <styelz> ok
[12:39] <Kavorka_> this is a real showstopper for me
[12:39] <styelz> 2 screens?
[12:39] <Kavorka_> no its compenent out to my tv
[12:39] <Kavorka_> component*
[12:40] <Kavorka_> maybe i should have selected gnome instead of xfce?
[12:46] <styelz> i have the same prob.. but it only happens if i force the frontend to open on screen 1 instead of 0
[12:50] <Kavorka_> just checked, mines on screen 0. this only happened once i used the resize screen option in the myth settings
[19:56] <MythbuntuGuest84> Hi, I am having a problem with telnet control, once I start a movie from the library I lose all telnet control, any command I give it it just pauses until mplayer exits, I am looking to be able to control mplayer from telnet as well, Thanks
[20:12] <notlistening> hi i have a DGGomerun i am from the uk using the DVB-t version and can tune into channels with windows but have myth running get the backend to scan for channels it picks them up but then the front end just sit saying no lock singal strength 0%
[20:13] <notlistening> HDhomerun
[20:14] <notlistening> I have seen a post about getting the wrong frequencies into the database from the backend that there is an issues with the stored frequencies not being correct
[20:15] <notlistening> then i am scuppered
[20:19] <rza11> have you tried the command line tuning? http://www.nerdlogger.com/2007/05/linuxosx-command-line-reference-for.html
[20:19] <rza11> w/ VLC
[20:20] <notlistening> i need some pointing in the right direction tx
[23:08] <unimaginative> I'm having an issue with tearing on my intel video card. Anyone know of a way to fix it short of replacing the card with a different brand?
[23:14] <jimmypopali> Hey guys, my IRC crashed, anyone have a log of on answer to the telnet control question?
[23:17] <Daviey> !logs
[23:17] <Zinn> MythTV logs are stored in /var/log/mythtv/   You can use mythbuntu-log-grabber from the Applications menu to automatically post the most relevant logs to our pastebin.
[23:17] <Daviey> not helpful Zinn
[23:26] <jimmypopali> yah no kidding :P
[23:27] <jimmypopali> !echo 25
[23:27] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about echo 25
[23:27] <jimmypopali> darn


[00:25] <belkinsa> .nws 45069
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[02:10] <thafreak> .nws 44256
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[07:03] <Unit193> Tornados hit several places around where I am now.
[13:50] <canthus13> never blindly run apt-get autoremove.
[14:39] <dzho> never blindly run any of the things
[15:20] <thafreak> bitcoin hit new high of $620 just now...
[15:21] <dzho> volatility really just means no one has any idea what it's worth
[15:22] <dzho> drastic changes in fundamentals can underpin drastic changes in price/exchange rate
[15:40] <thafreak> it hasn't been really volatile...just keeps going up
[15:40] <thafreak> we were discussing how it was about to hit $500 just this past friday at lunch
[15:40] <dzho> no, it has been hella volatile
[15:41] <thafreak> a few months ago it was way up and way down
[15:41] <thafreak> latelty, it's just going up
[15:41] <dzho> yes, and currencies don't do that, usually
[15:41] <thafreak> the last few weeks
[15:41] <thafreak> which is why i'm cashing in a little here and there, like 0.01 at a time
[15:42] <thafreak> converting it to USD, but leaving the funds in mtgox, so when (hopefully) it crashes, I can buy back much cheaper
[15:42] <dzho> the housing bubble took years to pop
[15:43] <dzho> and there was an identifiable asset, there (usually)
[15:43] <thafreak> well, this is like the housing market on pcp+meth+steroids+crack+a few pounds of coke
[15:43] <thafreak> and redbull
[15:43] <dzho> not counting the whole derivatives thing, in which there was no "there" there
[15:44] <thafreak> so, if this market's time is like dog years compared to normal markets, how long before it bursts?
[15:44] <thafreak> People were talking about $1000/btc by sometime next year...but at this rate, it could hit that in a week or two
[15:45] <thafreak> before Christmas
[21:30] <dzho> timing the burst is the real problem with bubbles
[21:30] <dzho> if you have a mercenary mind, that is
[21:30] <dzho> or, rather, if you're a bear, you'll get hit by the burst, and you want to get the hell out of the way.
[21:32] <thafreak> what'd i say the high was? :)
[21:32] <thafreak> it just hit $750 a few minutes ago
[21:33] <thafreak> after the people in this congressional hearing kept saying that virtual currencies aren't necessarily illegal, as long as you don't use them for things like money laundering
[21:33] <thafreak> boom, jumped almost $100
[21:35] <dzho> oh, so good thing no one uses it for *that* then
[21:35] <dzho> buttcoiners apparently struggle with the conditional
[21:36] <thafreak> the guy testifying now says the problem with the internet, is that people are becoming more anonymous on the internet
[21:37] <dzho> heh
[21:38] <dzho> welcome to the late 20th century, dude
[21:38] <dzho> who is this schmoe?
[21:40] <thafreak> some guy involved with a child exploitation group
[21:40] <thafreak> well, a group you know, against exploitation
[21:40] <thafreak> his closing argument was basically, we shouldn't allow a completely anonymous internet
[21:41] <dzho> because that's how the world works:  you just ban everything that is scary, dangerous, or you don't understand.
[21:41] <dzho> I mean, look at how well that worked out for drugs & alcohol!
[21:41] <dzho> what could possibly go wrong
[21:56] <thafreak> so...i just put 2 disks in an optical drive and was wondering  why it was making really bad sounds
[22:28] <dzho> heh
[22:28] <dzho> thafreak: you mean, you put them in the retractable cup holder?


[04:41] <huff3r> lunix
[05:49] <pen> linux
[05:50] <DanaG> huh¿n.x
[06:30] <DanaG> Anybody know how to fix the channel order in a multichannel FLAC file?
[06:31] <DanaG> I have a multichannel FLAC file with one channel arrangement, but PulseAudio uses a different order.
[06:31] <DanaG> So.... LFE ends up on rear-right, for example.
[06:46] <DanaG> aah, "channels" in mplayer.
[06:52] <DanaG> Odd:
[06:52] <DanaG> decode_frame() failed
[06:52] <DanaG> FRAME HEADER not here
[06:56] <DanaG> Additionally, it also seems to be treating the FLAC file as 16-bit.  It's a 24-bit, though!
[07:00] <DanaG> IF anybody has any tips, even later on, please give them.
[07:00] <RAOF> Does it work with gstreamer?
[07:00] <RAOF> It's possible that the file is broken?
[07:06] <DanaG> Yeah, the ordering is broken under gstreamer, but it doesn't pop and click.
[07:07] <DanaG> Under ffmpeg, it can get the order correct if I do it manually, but the audio pops and clicks.
[07:07] <DanaG> http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html
[07:07] <DanaG> 24-bit 96-kHz 6-channel FLAC.
[07:07] <DanaG> The first music piece linked.
[07:08] <DanaG> Pulse expects this: FL, RL, C, FR, RR, LFE
[07:08] <DanaG> er
[07:08] <DanaG> wait, something's odd: the ordering on "simultaneous" and on "surround51" are different!@
[07:09] <DanaG> Simultaneous is that, but with side instead of rear.  Device is FL, FR, RL, RR, C, LFE
[07:12] <DanaG> It also seems to mix the channels oddly.
[07:12] <DanaG> If I move the stream to the device, the rear-right-as-LFE acts like it should (stays low volume), but if I move it to "duplicate", it acts like all the other channels.
[07:13] <DanaG> PulseAudio's channel ordering seems to be a bit screwed up.
[07:13] <DanaG> It needs to decide: is 6 channels using "side" or using "rear"?
[07:15] <DanaG> FL, SL, C, FR, SR, LFE  →    FL, FR, RL, RR, C, LFE
[07:15] <DanaG> S for Side, and R for Rear.
[07:16] <DanaG> I think I may write up a bug report on that, some time later this week.  Or I may look for an existing bug to add to.
[07:18] <RAOF> Probably worthwile.
[07:19] <DanaG> I'd use the FLAC file as an example, but mention that the actual screwed-up ordering is not the issue in that bug.
[07:29] <DanaG> Yeah, there are two issues: screwed-up FLAC ordering, and screwed-up PulseAudio ordering.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> !info fakesync
[12:29] <jussi01> !info waon
[12:29] <jussi01> gnomefreak: ^^
[15:16] <mib_pjc21h26> hi anyone...
[15:17] <mib_pjc21h26> help installing firefix rc1 on ubuntu
[15:17] <mib_pjc21h26> firefox rc1 that is
[19:17] <jandem> hello, i installed hardy nightlies quite early, but i haven't tried intrepid yet,
[19:17] <jandem> are there major updates already?
[19:26] <geser> jandem: there is a perl 5.10 transition going on
[19:30] <jandem> geser: ok.. i will wait two weeks for alpha 1 then
[21:05] <mohbana_> why is ubuntu so slow? it seems it takes a life time for ubuntu to even upgrade a package
[21:05] <mohbana_> i am using a version of mercurial dated back to last year november
[21:05] <mohbana_> highly annoying
[21:06] <jrib> mohbana_: you are in intrepid?
[21:07] <pen> mohbana_, this is for intrpid
[21:07] <mohbana_> jrib: no i'm not, it's a general question ubuntu is so packed out it's ridiculous more than 1000+ people
[21:09] <jrib> mohbana_: this channel is for intrepid
[21:09] <jrib> mohbana_: ask your question in #ubuntu
[21:15] <mohbana_> well?
[21:17] <jrib> mohbana_: your question is for #ubuntu.  I'll answer it there
[21:44] <eagles05> hey guys
[21:44] <sigma_1234> are the intrepid or hardy kde4 beta 1 packages available ?
[21:45] <sigma_1234> kde4.1 beta1 packages i mean
[21:49] <scizzo-> sigma_1234: not sure if intrepid will use KDE 4.1
[21:50] <sigma_1234> wasnt that the plan?
[21:51] <scizzo-> looks like kubuntu is going to use 4.1
[21:51] <scizzo-> after some checking on the forums for kubuntu
[21:51] <scizzo-> however I do not believe anyone should upgrade to intrepid since it is still in high development
[21:52] <sigma_1234> i wanted to use 4.1 on hardy just to test it. im currently running 4.0.3
[22:00] <sigma_1234> stdin: are the kde4.1 beta1 packages still not ready?
[22:00] <stdin> nope
[22:01] <stdin> don't hold your breath, you'll turn blue
[22:01] <sigma_1234> lol. the desperation:-) compiling it myself will be too much a mission
[22:02] <sigma_1234> but they are coming out hey?
[22:03] <stdin> several parts have already been uploaded to intrepid, so it's a bit late to turn back now ;)
[22:47] <smallfoot-> what will ibex bring me?
[22:47] <smallfoot-> i want new compiz plugin to show off
[22:47] <smallfoot-> i want colored buttons on the calculator
[23:45] <smallfoot-> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/9190/
[23:48] <Pici> smallfoot-: ?
[23:48] <smallfoot-> Pici, look pictures, it has pretty