[08:48] <mardy> jelmer: hi, about that git import, should I file a bug?
[09:04] <mrevell> Morning
[11:06] <jelmer> is there anything I can do about some of these broken build requests scheduled to run on 26 October? They're still pending, and preventing any other builds of the recipes in question.
[11:45] <geser> I guess only ping a LP admin to kill them
[11:52] <bigjools> jelmer: I can cancel them, give me URLs
[12:34] <jelmer> bigjools: that'd be great - I've listed the URLs in pastebin here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/733035/
[12:36] <allenap> jelmer: Can I borrow you to discuss a stacking problem?
[12:37] <allenap> jelmer: It doesn't seem possible to bzr push --stacked-on lp:project/series unless you manually expand it to bzr push --stacked-on bzr+ssh://.../~owner/project/series
[12:37] <jelmer> allenap: bug 296592 ?
[12:38] <allenap> jelmer: That'll be the one. Thank you :)
[12:39] <bigjools> jelmer: all done
[12:39] <jelmer> bigjools: thanks!
[12:39] <allenap> jelmer: Actually, what happens is that the branch pushes fine, but then the page in Launchpad says "Invalid stacked on location: lp:project/series"
[12:39] <allenap> jelmer: https://code.launchpad.net/~dle-credativ/openobject-addons/test-6.0 for example.
[12:39] <jelmer> allenap: can you clone the branch ok afterwards?
[12:40] <allenap> jelmer: I was able to branch it fine, but I did it into a repo that already had revisions from the stacked on branch. I can try outside now.
[12:41] <allenap> s/repo/shared repo/
[12:41] <jelmer> allenap: translating lp: URLs requires an extra step in bzr, so it might just be that bzr is doing that when it's interpreting the stacked-on location but the scanner is not
[12:42] <allenap> jelmer: Ah, okay. It seems to be branching fine (it's a ~500MB branch so there's rather a long wait to see if it completes...), so that sounds reasonable. Shall I file a bug or would you prefer to?
[12:43] <jelmer> allenap: it looks like we're doing a lookup in BranchSet of the location, so it seems like that's not interpreting lp:openobject-addons/6.0
[12:45] <jelmer> yeah, we're relying on getByUniqueName() to work. Perhaps we should also be checking getByUrl
[12:46] <jelmer> allenap: either works for me
[12:47] <jelmer> mardy: hi
[12:47] <jelmer> mardy: I'm going to file a bug about the issue you ran into
[12:47] <allenap> jelmer: Can you file it? You have a better context, and can probably judge its importance better than I can. And my wife is nagging me to go and have lunch.
[12:49] <mardy> jelmer: thanks! please ping me with the bug number once it's done, so I'll subscribe to it
[12:49] <jelmer> allenap: sure
[12:50] <allenap> Thanks.
[12:52] <jelmer> allenap: actually, I wonder if this is a dupe of bug 660358
[13:36] <allenap> jelmer: Yes, sounds like it. Thanks for doing that.
[14:31]  * czajkowski hugs sinzui
[14:32] <sinzui> :)
[14:34] <czajkowski> thank you
[15:06] <askhl> I have a PPA with a package for Maverick, Natty and Oneiric.  I fixed a bug in the maverick package and dputted it successfully.  How do I release the same package to natty and oneiric?
[15:07] <geser> does it need a rebuild?
[15:07] <askhl> I tried changing 'maverick' to 'natty' and re-running debuild.  And the changes-file says it's natty now.  But dput says 'Package has already been uploaded to askhl on ppa.launchpad.net'
[15:08] <maxb> Tweak the changelog to specify a different verion and upload target, then reupload
[15:08] <askhl> geser, not really, but I wanted a changes-file which had the correct series info (natty)
[15:08] <maxb> (Note that you need to change the version too)
[15:08] <askhl> Thanks, I hadn't changed the version
[15:08] <geser> askhl: how you did do it the first time? just repeat what you did for the first version
[15:08] <maxb> You should ensure that the version increases from older to newer distroseries
[15:09] <maxb> This will ensure that upgrades work sensibly
[15:10] <askhl> geser, the first time I uploaded for maverick, then used 'copy package' (rebuilding binaries in case there were any dependency changes I needed to fix).  This seemed to work.  But for the update, I tried to copy packages and it gave an error.  Hmm, which one was it...
[15:10] <askhl> It said there were already existing binaries for that package.
[15:10] <askhl> (even though the package version number had been ramped up)
[15:10] <maxb> uhm
[15:11] <maxb> You cannot "Copy packages" between series in a single PPA, and rebuild the binaries
[15:11] <askhl> Evidently not...
[15:11] <askhl> Is there a good reason for this?
[15:12] <maxb> Yes - without changing the version, there's nothing to identify the separate builds
[15:12] <askhl> At that time I had name_version~ppa2 for maverick and  ...~ppa1 for natty/oneiric.  And I tried to copy the ppa2 to the two newer series
[15:13] <geser> having different packages with different dependencies for different release doesn't make apt really happy and it doesn't help you while debugging a bug
[15:13] <maxb> You can do that if you do not rebuild the binaries
[15:13] <geser> askhl: what is your PPA url?
[15:13] <maxb> You cannot rebuild the binaries because then you would have multiple .deb files with the exact same filename
[15:14] <askhl> https://launchpad.net/~askhl/+archive/ppa
[15:15] <askhl> The debfilename includes ~ppa2, however.  So I don't understand that there should be a naming conflict
[15:15] <geser> askhl: make sure you copy the binaries too (not only the source)
[15:16] <askhl> geser, regarding the dependencies: Between two ubuntu versions a number of MPI/BLAS dependencies changed radically (packages were added/removed/renamed), and I *had* to change the dependencies
[15:16] <askhl> So now I'm explicitly asking it to rebuild for each new series
[15:17] <askhl> Not sure which two versions it was.  But it broke the gpaw package at least
[15:17] <maxb> The conflict is between ~ppa2 (maverick-built), ~ppa2 (natty-built) and ~ppa2 (oneiric-built)
[15:17] <geser> then you need to upload different version (e.g. ~ppa2~maverick, ~ppa2~natty, ~ppa2~oneiric) to get then rebuild for each release
[15:18] <askhl> Ah, okay
[15:18] <askhl> How do "normal people" deal with the possibility of dependencies changing?
[15:18] <askhl> I mean the whole package repository is subject to this, and presumably it isn't a big problem
[15:19] <askhl> If I simply copied, *keeping* the binaries, would that be considered perfectly all right?
[15:20] <askhl> Sorry for all these questions, but perhaps I can avoid coming back asking more if I figure these things out :)
[15:20] <maxb> For packages that do not contain any binary code, it is often sufficient
[15:20] <maxb> Binary code tends to have awkward things like ABIs and such, that may differ from release to release
[15:20] <askhl> okay, so for the ASE package it is sufficient.  But GPAW is quite complicated so that one I will explicitly rebuild
[15:20] <maxb> Of course, binary code isn't the only issue - paths on disk might change from release to release
[15:21] <maxb> e.g. a package which just existed to do something with a CUPS printer driver might need to refer to the driver with a different ID string in different releases
[15:21] <geser> other PPA user have the same problem, the main archive is not really affected as the devs only upload to the current development version
[15:22] <maxb> Or, in the case of SRUs, backports, etc., the package is individually prepared for a specific release anyway
[15:24] <askhl> But do I really need to ramp up to ~ppa3 or write ~ppa2~natty?  I can see that other complicated packages (python-numpy) do apparently not need something like that.  Although they come from debian, not ppa
[15:24] <maxb> In the case of the ~bzr PPA, for example, we have a separate packaging branch for each Ubuntu release, for packages for which differences are required in various releases
[15:25] <maxb> ~ppa2~natty is fine, but make sure you understand what the ~ means
[15:25] <maxb> For example, if you currently have ~ppa2 in maverick, ~ppa2~natty would be wrong
[15:25] <maxb> I find people overuse ~ a lot in PPAs for some reason
[15:27] <askhl> Embarrassingly, a lot of this information is actually on https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading .  But I think some of it has been changed after I read it the first time.
[15:29] <askhl> I think I can figure it out from here.  Thank you very much for the help, maxb and geser
[15:30] <maxb> IRC is here for a reason, and Debian versioning is tricky until you're familiar with it :-)
[15:35] <askhl> So if I ramp up to ~ppa3~maverick and ~ppa3~natty etc., then it should work.  Right?
[15:38] <zyga> hi
[15:38] <zyga> https://code.launchpad.net/lava-deplyoment-tool
[15:38] <zyga> could someone rename this project
[15:38] <zyga> I just made a typo there :P
[15:38] <zyga> deployment
[16:11] <deryck> rick_h, hi! :)
[16:31] <rick_h> deryck: party!
[16:44] <Wardje> I know karma decays over time, but is there a log somewhere of all things you've done on Launchpad over time?
[16:50] <bigjools> Wardje: https://launchpad.net/~/+karma is the closest thing
[16:51] <Wardje> I feared as much, thanks anyway
[18:22] <Kre10s> hello.
[18:23] <Renegade15> hello
[18:23] <Kre10s> I have made a package, and uploaded it to my ppa repository... however when the package is installed, the executable is not copied into /usr/local/bin/...
[18:24] <Renegade15> well, I've never dealt with LP's PPA system, but if the package is installed, that sounds like the PPA is working just fine
[18:24] <jelmer> Kre10s: that's really more of a packaging question, #ubuntu-packaging is probably a better place to ask
[18:24] <Kre10s> I have a install target in my makefile. what else do i have to do to get the compiled binary installed?
[18:24] <Renegade15> iow, your package is the issue
[22:20] <gustonegro> hey, how can I send a message or request to a group in launchpad?
[22:20] <EvilResistance> gustonegro:  define "Request" or "message"
[22:21] <EvilResistance> gustonegro:  if the group has an email address email it.
[22:21] <gustonegro> specifically, I want to ask the maintainers of the libpeas package for ubuntu why they don't include a JS loader (seed or gjs)
[22:22] <gustonegro> EvilResistance: oh, okay
[22:22] <EvilResistance> one sec
[22:22] <EvilResistance> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpeas
[22:22] <EvilResistance> that's the source package, you could try there
[22:22] <EvilResistance> or here https://launchpad.net/libpeas
[22:22] <gustonegro> I'd like to make  a feature request, I guess.  Or maybe its abug in their  build
[22:22] <gustonegro> oh, how did you find that?
[22:23]  * EvilResistance searched launchpad for 'libpeas' :po
[22:23] <EvilResistance> :P *
[22:23] <EvilResistance> youi'd have to file a question to the source  package
[22:23] <EvilResistance> or send it to the Gnome Project
[22:23] <EvilResistance> since the package's project is a part of the Gnome Project
[22:24] <gustonegro> I searched lp for libpeas too...but wasn't given anything where I could send a message - "ask a question"
[22:24] <EvilResistance> https://launchpad.net/gnome  <-- "Ask a Question"
[22:24] <EvilResistance> since libpeas' project is part of the gnome project :p
[22:24] <gustonegro> when I go here, however, there is not "ask a question" https://launchpad.net/libpeas
[22:24] <gustonegro> it's all blanked out
[22:24] <EvilResistance> you dont read do you
[22:25] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> youi'd have to file a question to the source  package
[22:25] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> or send it to the Gnome Project
[22:25] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> since the package's project is a part of the Gnome Project
[22:25] <EvilResistance> and
[22:25] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> https://launchpad.net/gnome  <-- "Ask a Question"
[22:25] <EvilResistance> <EvilResistance> since libpeas' project is part of the gnome project :p
[22:25] <EvilResistance> oop, i'm hungry...
[22:25] <EvilResistance> mustbe dinner time
[22:25] <gustonegro> yes, I read that.  thank you for your patience too.  I'm only aksing how am I suppse to know that ahead of time as a user of the website
[22:25]  * EvilResistance walks off to get dinner
[22:26] <EvilResistance> gustonegro:  you sometimes need to be able to do some digging
[22:26] <EvilResistance> here's an idea.
[22:26] <EvilResistance> "If a project has nothing configured for asking questions, btu the project page shows "Part of <other project>", then post to that other project.
[22:26] <EvilResistance> Otherwise, contact the maintainer if they accept emails
[22:27] <EvilResistance> Otherwise, file a bug against the source package itself.
[22:27] <EvilResistance> at least that's my advice to ya
[22:27]  * EvilResistance really must eat now
[22:29] <gustonegro> Thanks for you help EvilResistance.  Sorry if I am testing your patience.  I only find the lp way confusing.  Not sure why though, its all there.  I just can't ever seem to find what I am looking for.


[00:31] <kaeles> ok, I tried copying my lts.conf to the /var/lib/tftpboot/i386 to keep it from overwritting my fstab, but its still overwritten to the default every boot, do I need to add the mounts to the image and rebuild or whats the best way to go about getting my nfs mounts to stay in the fstab?
[00:36] <hads> I have [default]\nCONFIGURE_FSTAB=false in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[00:37] <kaeles> me too
[00:37] <kaeles> aah
[00:37] <kaeles> I don
[00:37] <kaeles> t think the [default is there]
[00:37] <kaeles> err
[00:37] <kaeles> [default] is there even ^
[00:37] <hads> :)
[00:38] <kaeles> thanks :P
[00:38] <kaeles> ill try and see
[00:41] <kaeles> nope, still overwrites on reboot
[00:42] <hads> I don't know a lot about LTSP but that works for me.
[00:43] <kaeles> did you have to reboot the server?
[00:47] <hads> Naw, it's not Windows :)
[00:48] <kaeles> lawl
[00:48] <kaeles> I meant the tftp server or didn't know if there was a specific ltsp server deal
[00:49] <kaeles> ok
[00:49] <kaeles> I erased everything from the file BUT the [default] and the configure_fstab=false and it works
[00:49] <kaeles> I wanna hug you right now, I haven't been able to figure this out for like 2 months
[00:50] <hads> haha, cool.
[00:50] <hads> I have other stuff in mine
[00:50] <kaeles> its annoying to have to remount everything everytime someone decides to turn the tv off
[00:50] <kaeles> :)
[00:50] <kaeles> yea, I dunno why it didn't work, I did reboot the tftp and myth-backend, dunno if it helped, but I don'
[00:50] <kaeles> t really care :)
[00:50] <hads> Actually, come to think of it, I've needed to mount -a on one of my boxes the last couple of reboots. D'oh
[00:51] <kaeles> thanks again man
[00:51] <hads> No worries
[00:52] <kaeles> oh, one other quesiton, in the fstab, if I'm mounting a cifs share, I can just put the user="",pass="" with the defaults option?
[00:52] <kaeles> I don't usually use cifs/smb but my roomy has 2 tb drives in his desktop shared, and would liek to be able to mount them :P
[00:53] <hads> Not sure, I don't use CIFS at all so don't know much about it
[00:53] <hads> I sure you can somehow though
[00:53] <kaeles> I'll just try it, and if it blows up I'll figure it out :P
[01:12] <NavY-Seal> hi to all i am planing to turn my ubuntu box in to a dvr for my cable service any one can sugest me a tested and good hd capture card for this purpouse ?
[01:21] <kaeles> the happauge series are all pretty well tested insofar as I know.
[01:32] <NavY-Seal> do i need a pvr or an hvr card ?
[02:18] <Xel-> Hey all
[02:18] <Xel-> I'm having an issue where I'm hearing echoing.  The Wiki said to make sure that the Line In (which I'm using for capture) is muted for output, and it is muted, but I'm still getting that echo.
[02:19] <Xel-> Any ideas?
[02:19] <Xel-> This is an SBLive 5.1
[08:20] <kaeles> On the diskless server, its mounting the directory off the backend nbd server, so when I'm ripping a dvd, is it saving the file back to the backend in the mythdvd/temp folder/
[08:20] <kaeles> ?
[08:21] <kaeles> If so, I'm gonna have to move everything to gigabit :P
[14:00] <Essobi> Morning
[14:01] <Essobi> kaeles: I think you answered your own question...
[14:46] <MythbuntuGuest48> hello
[14:46] <MythbuntuGuest48> i have a problem, maybe somebody can help me (sry for bad english)
[14:47] <MythbuntuGuest48> i use mythbuntu (jaunty) with a elo touchscreen
[14:48] <MythbuntuGuest48> and in music player window i cannot select buttons, music, etc
[14:48] <MythbuntuGuest48> i`ve tryed with the mouse - same problem
[14:48] <MythbuntuGuest48> only keyboard work
[14:48] <MythbuntuGuest48> there is some solution for this?
[14:49] <MythbuntuGuest48> i really need to use touchscreen for select and playing songs
[14:49] <MythbuntuGuest48> thanks
[15:01] <MythbuntuGuest48> nobody? :(
[15:02] <rhpot1991> forums | MythbuntuGuest48
[15:02] <rhpot1991> !forums | MythbuntuGuest48
[15:02] <Zinn> MythbuntuGuest48: The Mythbuntu forums are located at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301.  If you aren't getting a timely response here, there are lots of very active individuals there that may be able to help.
[15:02] <MythbuntuGuest48> allready searched the forum
[15:02] <MythbuntuGuest48> no answer to my problem
[15:02] <rhpot1991> prob a better place to ask there, I don't use mythmusic so I can't help much
[15:02] <rhpot1991> make a new post and wait, someone should answer
[15:02] <MythbuntuGuest48> ok, thanks
[15:07] <rhpot1991> np
[23:47] <Guest75757> hi guys ... another stupid question ... in order to conect the capture card with a time warner cable service digital what card should i look at any sugestion
[23:54] <kaeles> Well, I was really trying to make sure that the mythdvd/temp directory really IS on the shared drive of the backend server.
[23:54] <kaeles> I'm just gonna do it all gigabit anyhow now though, its so cheap, I might as well.
[23:54] <kaeles> Thanks anyways Essbi.
[23:54] <kaeles> :P


[03:09] <KombuchaKip> If someone can confirm, we're having a meeting tomorrow. Among the agenda, my application for membership. I am expected to be here when the meeting commences at 1700 PST (21 of Oct).
[13:00] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil. Do you know if we're meeting this week?
[13:01] <thorwil> godbyk: theoretically it happens every week. practically i never know in advance ;)
[13:01] <godbyk> thorwil: Yeah, that's how it goes here, too.
[13:02] <thorwil> godbyk: since uds is at the door, i wonder if mpt said something ... he's not online
[13:02] <godbyk> thorwil: I'm not sure. I was under the impression last week that we'd have a regular meeting today.
[13:02] <thorwil> hi JanC
[13:03] <godbyk> (Seeing as how I was assigned homework and all.)
[13:03] <thorwil> vish
[13:05] <aday> hi all...
[13:06] <godbyk> Hey, aday
[13:06] <aday> anything on the agenda?
[13:08] <thorwil> so iva-not-highlighting-vanka said:  "we are in Orlando. I think he thinks the meeting is at 9am our time which is in an hour", referring to mpt
[13:08] <godbyk> aday: Good question. I just emailed the ayatana-ux list with the usability testing script introduction thing I was tasked with writing.
[13:08] <godbyk> thorwil: aha. well, he's off by an hour. :-)
[13:09] <thorwil> have you guys seen http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/design-center/ ?
[13:09] <aday> godbyk: ah cool - i'll look at that. where is it going to live when it's done?
[13:09] <thorwil> doctormo took matters in his hands
[13:09] <godbyk> aday: Good question.
[13:10] <thorwil> https://code.launchpad.net/~doctormo/erato/trunk
[13:10] <thorwil> https://launchpad.net/erato
[13:10] <thorwil> hi andreasn
[13:11] <aday> godbyk: i'd like to be able to at least link to it from the gnome usability pages
[13:11] <godbyk> thorwil: Do you distinguish between artwork and, say, UI mockups?
[13:12] <thorwil> andreasn: i'd prioritize eating, as mpt is not there (perhaps off by 1 hour in orlando)
[13:12] <godbyk> aday: There's a copy in my public dropbox you can link to if you like: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5067756/usability-testing-script.pdf
[13:12] <andreasn> so meet back in one hour?
[13:12] <thorwil> godbyk: yes and no. it's all design assets
[13:13] <aday> andreasn: can do
[13:13] <andreasn> cool
[13:13] <andreasn> later!
[13:14] <godbyk> andreasn: see ya
[13:14] <godbyk> thorwil: I see.
[13:14] <aday> thorwil: why not use/contribute to design hub? seems like they're trying to do the same thing, or am i missing something?
[13:15] <godbyk> brb
[13:15] <thorwil> godbyk: everyone else in the team seems to see the needs of ubuntu-artwork first, but there have been no objections to my proposal to make it neutral
[13:17] <aday> yes, anyway, back in a bit
[13:17] <thorwil> aday: yes to some degree. but mairin's mockups already include details i don't agree on. aside of that, i can't steer the project on that level, now doctormo started development of a minimalistic first implementation and got others in
[13:18] <thorwil> arg
[13:20] <godbyk> heh. don't ya hate that? :)
[13:21] <godbyk> What aspects of Mairin's designs do you disagree with?
[13:23] <thorwil> godbyk: mainly the simple up/down voting
[13:23] <godbyk> Hey, wers-android.
[13:23] <thorwil> lol

[13:25] <godbyk> thorwil: Do you have another voting scheme in mind?  Would up/down voting that requires comments/constructive criticism/critiques be better?  Or do you not want voting at all?
[13:25] <godbyk> wers?
[13:25] <wers> wassup?
[13:25] <wers> godbyk, hello
[13:25] <godbyk> hey, there you are. :)
[13:25] <wers> hehe
[13:25] <wers> so has the meeting started?
[13:26] <godbyk> wers: yes and no. we think mpt may arrive in half an hour or so, but it's unclear.
[13:26] <wers> ooh ok
[13:26] <godbyk> a couple others were hear, but they're eating now.
[13:26] <thorwil> godbyk: i've been thinking about a "how well does this asset meet the briefing?"
[13:26] <godbyk> so thorwil and I are just shooting the breeze.
[13:26] <wers> lemme have quick dinner :D
[13:26] <godbyk> wers: lol. no problem.
[13:26] <wers> I'm online on my mobile anyway :D
[13:27] <godbyk> thorwil: I like that. Instead of a simple up/down vote, you could have a few parameters with Lickert scales or something.
[13:27] <wers> i'd like to discuss the UX survey we (GNOME.Asia) are going to conduct. we could do persona research there and some other stuff
[13:27] <godbyk> cool
[14:21] <aday> hi all, anything happening?
[14:23] <SergioMeneses> aday, hi
[14:23] <SergioMeneses> what's up?
[14:23] <godbyk> aday: No activity for quite a while.
[14:27] <thorwil> aday: refering to earlier: yes to some degree. but mairin's mockups already include details i don't agree on. aside of that, i can't steer the project on that level, now doctormo started development of a minimalistic first implementation and got others in
[14:27] <thorwil> that was to: "why not use/contribute to design hub? seems like they're trying to do the same thing, or am i missing something?"
[14:29] <aday> thorwil: fair enough. seems like a shame (mainly cos i'd like to see design hub get moving again ;) )
[14:30] <thorwil> aday: it's also that we have 3 people all in favor of django, 2 of them not interested in any other option. designhub is ruby
[14:30] <thorwil> on rails, of course
[14:31] <aday> i figured it might be something like that *sigh*
[14:31] <thorwil> aday: mizmo told me designhub is blocked on design/mockup issues. so a designer could step in , perhaps
[14:32] <aday> thorwil: oh really? a designers tool blocked because of design issues... we're all doomed
[14:33] <thorwil> aday: nah, missing design because of mizmo's lack of time
[14:34] <aday> thorwil: sounds about right
[15:12] <vish> aday ¦ they did try to do it the designhub way.. :) , but django was the main factor and none were familiar with ruby …
[15:12] <vish> aday ¦ so its better to get it done so how right? ;)
[15:12] <vish> s/so/some
[15:16] <aday> vish: sure! there were some pretty clear requirements behind design hub which might not tally with what's being aimed for with this new site
[15:16] <aday> i want my design site!
[15:16] <vish> :)


[20:02] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: about petri-foo, ok, one hopes there is something similar somewhere... perhaps in the v1 set of plugins


[02:22] <michaelh1> Hi there.  launchpadlib loging against staging seems to be broken with a gateway timeout.  Any ideas?
[02:23] <wgrant> michaelh1: staging's down at the moment.
[02:23] <michaelh1> wgrant: ta.  Any ETA?
[02:24] <wgrant> michaelh1: Not really. Could you use qastaging? It's likely to be a little more reliable.
[02:25] <michaelh1> wgrant: I'm looking for a sandbox to write to.  Does qastaging throw away its data like staging?
[02:25] <wgrant> We generally manually erase it every couple of months.
[02:25] <wgrant> But it's not automated like staging.
[02:26] <michaelh1> OK.  But it's a different database to production and emails etc don't go out?
[02:26] <wgrant> Yup.
[02:27] <michaelh1> Ta.
[04:25] <cheako>  I don't know what email address my account used https://launchpad.net/~mmestnik Can some one please send me an email or tell me the address I need to use for the login screen?
[04:26] <wgrant> cheako: It's @nagios.com
[04:27] <cheako> wgrant: thx.
[04:28] <cheako> Can I get locked out for too many failed login attempts?
[04:28] <wgrant> Not easily.
[04:29] <cheako> Yay!  I'm in.
[04:29] <cheako> Thank you a mess.
[04:29] <wgrant> Excellent.
[07:09] <mrevell> Hello
[08:29] <wgrant> We're about to go down for a couple of minutes for a database upgrade.
[08:30] <wgrant> http://blog.launchpad.net/notifications/fast-down-time
[08:31] <mvo> hello
[08:34] <wgrant> And we're back.
[08:34] <mvo> wgrant: so apt-ftparchive is hanging when writing out the Translations-en ? do you have access to the machien ? did it actually write anything at all?
[08:34] <mvo> wgrant: any chance to get a strace of what its doing?
[08:34] <wgrant> mvo: It's reproducible locally. Can we take this to #launchpad-dev in a couple of minutes, once I've finished post-deployment checks?
[08:37] <mvo> wgrant: sure, thanks. I will fire up a lucid vm and see what I find there, good that its reproducable at least
[08:37] <wgrant> mvo: May be specific to our config, of course. I can give you that if it's not trivially reproducible.
[08:37] <wgrant> It works fine on oneiric.
[09:54] <odony> Hello everyone! Is there a help contact now?
[09:55] <wgrant> odony: I don't think there is a specific contact right now, but ask your question and someone will answer if they can.
[09:55] <odony> We have someone sending LinkedIn invitations as bug comments - could we remove these comments? Comment #7 on bug 715570
[09:55] <wgrant> odony: Could you file a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, with links to the offending comments?
[09:56] <wgrant> odony: If it continues to be a problem, we can suspend their account until they stop. But it seems to have stopped already.
[09:56] <odony> wgrant: sure, I'll do that, didn't know it was the proper procedure :) Thanks!
[09:58] <odony> wgrant: presumably this person asked LinkedIn to send an invitation to all his address book, I guess that would be a one-shot thing
[09:59] <wgrant> Let's hope.
[10:00] <odony> wgrant: here we go - question #170879  - is that correct?
[10:00] <odony> wgrant: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/
[10:00] <odony> wgrant: err https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/170879  sorry
[10:01] <wgrant> odony: That's fine, thanks.
[10:01] <wgrant> odony: Someone should get to it in a few hours.
[10:01] <odony> wgrant: perfect, thanks for your help
[10:39] <gour> what is the procedure for removing projects/groups at launchpad?
[10:41] <wgrant> gour: Ask at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[10:41] <gour> wgrant: thank you
[10:52] <adeuring> wgrant: I'll start a bit later, but gnerally, sey
[10:52] <adeuring> yes...
[11:52] <ams_cs> is the current lack of diffs on merge proposals a known problem ... or is it just happening to me?
[11:52] <ams_cs> example: https://code.launchpad.net/~ams-codesourcery/gcc-linaro/merge-from-fsf-20110906-4.5/+merge/74213
[11:53] <ams_cs> 6 days and still no diff ....
[14:04] <deryck> adeuring, I'll take IRC now.
[14:04] <adeuring> deryck: cool, thanks!
[14:30] <h00k> Greetings! I just got a 'Please Try Again' page in Launchpad, when trying to 'Contact all members' in the Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo.
[14:30] <h00k> It told me to check back in if it happens.
[14:30] <h00k> But apparently it send the mail...twice now ;)
[14:31] <deryck> h00k, did you get an OOPS number in the email or web page?
[14:32] <h00k> deryck: no, just http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/687656/
[14:33] <deryck> h00k, can you try to reload again?  and what URL is this?
[14:35] <h00k> deryck: it was: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin/+contactuser
[14:35] <h00k> deryck: if I reload it, it actually sends another copy of the email, so I don't want to annoy the LoCo members ;)
[14:35] <h00k> deryck: so, it's sending out the mail, it's just not...redirecting me or something
[14:35] <deryck> ah, ok.
[14:36] <deryck> I'm sure we have a bug for this.  Looking to see....
[14:36] <h00k> whatever it does after you 'post' the contact-submission form
[14:37] <deryck> We have bug 735992.  Hard to know for sure if it's the same or not without an OOPS.
[14:38] <deryck> h00k, thanks for letting us know, though.
[15:17] <h00k> deryck: I just went to report a bug (via apport), and the page that opened gave me two confirmation boxes the emails had sent, along with the box that said it's processing the new crash data
[15:17] <deryck> ok
[15:18] <pfefferz> howdy
[15:18] <pfefferz> I'm trying to assign a bug
[15:18] <pfefferz> and I launchpad can't locate the person
[15:20] <pfefferz> asac, pfefferz, andy-warmcat all can't be located
[15:21] <deryck> pfefferz, you mean the little picker widget that comes up to search for someone can't find the person, i.e. says no matches found?
[15:22] <pfefferz> yeah
[15:22] <pfefferz> I'm on this bug:
[15:22] <pfefferz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-android/+bug/845642
[15:22] <pfefferz> And I click Unassigned
[15:22] <pfefferz> and put in
[15:22] <TheEvilPhoenix> is LP lagging for any of you?
[15:22] <pfefferz> andy-warmcat
[15:23] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm getting semi-horrid lag
[15:23] <pfefferz> and I see andy-warmcat
[15:23] <pfefferz> No items matched "andy-warmcat".
[15:23] <pfefferz> https://launchpad.net/~andy-warmcat
[15:23] <pfefferz> exists
[15:23] <pfefferz> same thing happens with asac
[15:23] <pfefferz> https://launchpad.net/~asac
[15:24] <nigelb> pfefferz: oh hai!
[15:24]  * nigelb looks as well.
[15:25] <nigelb> pfefferz: Works for me.
[15:25] <nigelb> oh wait.
[15:25] <nigelb> I see what you mean.
[15:27] <pfefferz> is this a known issue?
[15:32] <sinzui> pfefferz, nigelb, does the assign me link in the picker work?
[15:32] <nigelb> Let me check on qastaging.
[15:33] <pfefferz> yeah
[15:33] <nigelb> Oh. Picker on bug assigning is not finding names.
[15:33] <nigelb> I can reproduce on other projects (launchpad)
[15:34] <sinzui> nigelb, pfefferz the picker works for me. I can search for you or nigelb and find people. I think this is an issue where the feature flags enable operations for testers, but cripple other users
[15:35] <sinzui> pfefferz, nigelb, can either of you provide the bug and task you are trying to assign to
[15:35] <pfefferz> Trying to assign https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-android/+bug/845642
[15:35] <pfefferz> to Andy Green
[15:36] <sinzui> nigelb, consider that you cannot assign someone to a bug that affects a target your do not control
[15:36] <pfefferz> https://launchpad.net/~andy-warmcat
[15:36] <sinzui> nigelb, for example. I cannot assign anyone but my self and my teams to an ubuntu bug since I am not an Ubuntu owner/driver/supervisor
[15:37] <nigelb> let me try a bug in a project I maintain.
[15:38] <nigelb> sinzui: OH, ok.
[15:38] <nigelb> *now* I understand.
[15:38] <sinzui> nigelb, the old search let you find someone, then gave you an error saying they were invalid :)
[15:39] <nigelb> THis makes sense in so many ways, except for the odd fallouts :)
[15:40] <nigelb> sinzui: I wonder if we could give that as a feedback instead of the "not found".
[15:40] <nigelb> I couldn't find myself for a launchpad bug.
[15:40] <sinzui> pfefferz, you are not a in a linaro-android role. You can only assign yourself via the link, or your teams via search.
[15:41] <pfefferz> pfefferz, but I am, I thought
[15:41] <sinzui> The text "Select a team of which you are a member" could explain who can be searched
[15:41] <pfefferz> sure
[15:42] <nigelb> Hrm Zach is on the ~linaro-drivers who are drivers for linaro-android.
[15:42] <sinzui> pfefferz, https://launchpad.net/~andy-warmcat/+participation does not list either team listed on https://launchpad.net/linaro-android
[15:44] <pfefferz> sinzui, cool, thanks for the clarification
[15:44] <sinzui> pfefferz, I am reporting a bug. I I think we can fix the instructions to make it clear
[15:44] <pfefferz> cool
[15:45] <pfefferz> alternatively, you could just make it possible to assign bugs regardless of group membership
[15:45] <sinzui> pfefferz, No
[15:46] <sinzui> pfefferz, we will not entertain security/privacy/spam intrusions.
[15:46] <pfefferz> sure...
[15:47] <pfefferz> though you can subscribe someone else
[15:47] <pfefferz> so its not all that different
[16:21] <fbond> Hi.  I'm getting an error branching from LP using bzr:
[16:22] <fbond> bzr branch lp:ubuntu/maverick/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.maverick
[16:22] <fbond> bzr: ERROR: Revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not present in "Graph(StackedParentsProvider(<bzrlib.repository._LazyListJoin object at 0x9121e8c>))".
[16:22] <fbond> Any ideas?
[16:53] <deryck> fbond, I would guess the branch is in a bad state somehow.  I'm not completely sure, though.
[16:53]  * deryck looks around the room for bzr experts.....
[16:54] <deryck> or maybe james_w knows whats up with that branch?
[16:54] <james_w> I don't
[16:55] <deryck> ok, thanks
[16:55] <james_w> I think that's the second branch in that state though
[16:55] <james_w> fbond, would you file a bzr bug please?
[16:55] <deryck> yeah, that's probably the best way to handle it.
[16:55] <fbond> james_w: Sure thing.
[16:58] <fbond> james_w: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/848064
[17:18] <deryck> abentley, hi.  irc tag. :)
[17:18] <abentley> deryck: sure thing
[18:57] <idnar> it looks like https://code.launchpad.net/~jjacobs/pymeta/generate-parser-stdin is "stuck", anyone know what's up with that?
[19:15] <lifeless> idnar: looks like abentley is on help contact and also is a great person to help with such an issue ;)
[19:16] <idnar> okay ;)
[19:17] <idnar> I just happened to notice the problem when I was browsing some old branches
[19:20] <abentley> idnar: I don't know what's up with that, because we don't keep logs around from 2010.  However, you can encourage launchpad to re-attempt scanning the branch by pushing to it.


[20:36] <pleia2> nhaines: this Ubuntu Security talk is going to be great, thanks again for the topic suggestion :)


[12:44]  * bac is back
[13:11] <benji> frankban: if you have a couple of minutes, I have a branch up for review that fixes the charmheplers problem with log messages containing "--" (bug 1130793).  The MP is at https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/charm-tools/bug-1130793-add-log-option-escaping/+merge/150442
[13:11] <_mup_> Bug #1130793: For safety, Python charm-helpers juju-log command should insert a "--" before the log message. <Juju Charm Tools:In Progress by benji> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130793 >
[13:12] <gary_poster> benji, I don't think any of us are reviewers.  Was thinking about that last night after the baby woke me up again :-P  We may need to ping Mark Mims
[13:12] <benji> gary_poster: ah; will do
[13:21] <gary_poster> benji, utlemming *might* also be able to give a review.  both he and m_3 are out west though (UT and CO respectively), so probably won't show up till later.
[13:22] <benji> gary_poster: yeah, after I invoked him I wonderd where he was and looking him up; I'll try again later
[13:23] <gary_poster> cool benji.
[13:40] <rogpeppe> bac: feel free to submit that CL
[13:41] <bac> rogpeppe: already done.  thanks.
[13:42] <rogpeppe> bac: ah, only just showed up in my inbox. thanks.
[13:47] <gary_poster> hey frankban and teknico.  I was thinking of asking Roger if the watcher branch is far along enough for the three of us to talk with him about what you might do to start exploring the mega watcher.  Does that sound good/interesting/workable?
[13:47] <frankban> gary_poster: sounds good
[13:47] <gary_poster> cool
[13:47] <frankban> gary_poster: do you have a minute? juju-gui?
[13:48] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: the watcher branch is hopefully ready to be submitted - just a prereq to be submitted and a final signoff required.
[13:49] <gary_poster> sure frankban great rogpeppe.  you available for a call with us soonish?  Maybe in half an hour or hour, so we have time for teknico to return, and to review the code some more
[13:49] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: yeah. i've got a in 70 mins, otherwise i'm free.
[13:49] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[14:09] <hatch> about 2" of snow lastnight....of course right after I washed my truck hah
[14:12] <teknico> gary_poster, I'm back
[14:13] <gary_poster> cool teknico.  frankban, teknico, how do you want to do this?  I propose that the three of us get on juju gui and look together at  https://codereview.appspot.com/7390043/ and talk about it; once we feel good, we ask Roger to join us.  I'm open to ther plans too. :-)
[14:14] <gary_poster> other
[14:14] <frankban> gary_poster: sounds good
[14:14] <teknico> gary_poster, SGTM :-)
[14:15] <gary_poster> cool frankban teknico let's do it!  I'm there
[14:18] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: i'm afraid that CL is showing spurious noise because of the undeclared prereq (oh how i wish we could add prereqs after creating a merge request!)
[14:18] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, s'ok :-) we're doing our best and will call you in when we give up/understand everything
[14:26] <hatch> is ther any way to adjust the frequency of emails from a group on lp?
[14:29] <benji> bac: I added some notes to that document
[14:31] <bac> benji: thanks
[14:35] <hatch> gary_poster: so I have been attempting to write proper tests for this app-extension branch - but I can't really do it properly without the sub-app class and fake subapp which are in other branches. What is the policy regarding this issue?
[14:37] <gary_poster> hatch will ping
[14:44] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: re-warning: i'm in a call from 15 minutes from now, for probably around 30 mins.
[14:45] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, ack, we just finished our call, and since you only have 15 minutes now, I was going to suggest we have a call in 1 hour from now.  Good?
[14:45] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: how about i ping you when i'm out of my call? it's sometimes pretty quick.
[14:45] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, we have a 15 minute call in 45 minutes :-)
[14:45] <rogpeppe> lol
[14:46] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: ok, 1600 UTC sounds good
[14:46] <gary_poster> so one hour works for us
[14:46] <gary_poster> cool thanks talk to you then
[14:46] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: rather, 1545 UTC, presumably
[14:46] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, yes, exactly
[14:46] <gary_poster> hatch, sorry for wait.  call in juju gui?
[14:46] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: did you manage to penetrate the code BTW?
[14:47] <hatch> gary_poster: np sure
[14:47] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, yes, pretty well we think!  We have several questions to verify assumptions and so on, so you can evaluate our understanding yourself :-)
[14:49] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: cool
[15:04] <bcsaller_> Makyo: did you seem my message yesterday about the two branches?
[15:05] <Makyo> bcsaller_, yeah, looked through the diffs, makes sense.  Will try them out before the call.
[15:05] <bcsaller_> Makyo: great, thanks
[15:06] <m_3> gary_poster: I'm prepping two talks for later today... so sorry tomorrow's best for me
[15:07] <gary_poster> m_3, cool,  Are you the only ~charmer who is doing regular reviews now?
[15:07] <gary_poster> Or is there someone else we can ping
[15:08] <m_3> gary_poster: nope, jamespage, negronjl, marcoceppi, imbrandon, bbcmicrocomputer, SpamapS
[15:09] <m_3> gary_poster: should all be in the rotation
[15:09] <gary_poster> m_3, oh, cool!  thanks.  didn't know SpamapS was still active
[15:10] <m_3> gary_poster: np, yup... I'll check out the queue tomorrow for a bit to see if somebody's hit it
[15:10] <gary_poster> cool
[15:10] <m_3> bbcmicrocomputer is on point this week
[15:10] <gary_poster> yeah, looks like he is flooded
[15:10] <m_3> ack
[15:11] <hatch> bcsaller_: I'm a little confused as to what you wanted me to do on your last review - were you saying i should change the code? or were you just pointing that out? re the middleware route stuff
[15:12] <bcsaller_> hatch: talking about the problem, if any action was needed it would happen in another branch
[15:12] <hatch> alright thanks
[15:13] <gary_poster> bcsaller_, I liked both options.  I might prefer the second (ordering one) but if the wind blew the other direction I might switch sides. :-)
[15:24] <Makyo> bcsaller_, running juju/delta-annotations and merging my work with juju-gui/landscape-links, I now see the landscape controls on the bottom bar as applicable \o/
[15:25] <bcsaller_> Makyo: sweet
[15:28] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[15:30] <gary_poster> bac not sure if you are here but starting without you.
[15:33] <bac> i am.  have my sound off so i didn't hear the alert.  joining now.
[15:33] <gary_poster> cool
[15:39] <bcsaller_> improv changes  lp:~bcsaller/juju/delta-annotations  gui-side  lp:~bcsaller/juju-gui/landscape-links
[15:41] <hatch> bac: do you call in ondialup? :)
[15:42] <bac> er, no
[15:42] <bac> hatch: usually my 4G phone is better, though.  i'll start using it for daily.
[15:43] <bac> hatch: though i had trouble a few weeks ago when in NC using FIOS.  go figure.
[15:43] <hatch> heh maybe it's your laptop :)
[15:52] <bac> benji: i just added the new section. take a look.
[15:52] <benji> bac: looking now
[15:56] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: are we doing the call?
[15:57] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, yes.  sorry, on call with mramm now, almost done
[15:57] <rogpeppe> gary_poster: np
[15:58] <benji> bac: looks good, I had a couple of suggestions
[15:58] <gary_poster> rogpeppe frankban teknico https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoQnpJ43nBkJdEFIZVg0dnN0SXNNREpTMTd6X1FMS1E#gid=1
[15:58] <bac> benji: great
[16:00] <gary_poster> rogpeppe, frankban teknico oops :-P https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7fb7c30f3a232db57dd8549738fb98e723d90d4a
[16:01] <teknico> gary_poster, nice X's though ;-)
[16:01] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:03] <hatch> does mocha have a way to log to the console?
[16:04] <hatch> their documentation kind of sucks :)
[16:08] <bcsaller_> hatch: console.log
[16:08] <hatch> bcsaller_: yeah odly enough nothing is getting logged to the console
[16:08] <hatch> the test is showing as completing
[16:09] <bcsaller_> using the prod build the console is disabled, maybe thats what you're seeing
[16:10] <hatch> I'm getting loader: Has Skin? cssreset-context : false  these logs in there
[16:10] <bcsaller_> you're using make test-server and using the browser?
[16:10] <hatch> `make test-server debug`
[16:10] <hatch> and in the browser
[16:10] <bcsaller_> the browser should have no issue with logs
[16:11] <bcsaller_> mocha-phantomjs can fail on logging objects that can't serialize to JSON (usually objects with cycles)
[16:11] <bcsaller_> but the browser can handle it
[16:12] <hatch> hmm then wth is going on here
[16:13] <hatch> we really need a way to run individual test suites heh
[16:14] <bcsaller_> hatch: its easy, there are a few ways to do this, the simplest is to change describe to describe.only
[16:14] <bcsaller_> or change 'it' to 'it.only'
[16:14] <bcsaller_> to run a suite or a single test
[16:14] <hatch> so there is some type of command which will only run a single js file?
[16:15] <bcsaller_> with .only applied any method of running the tests will do the right thing
[16:15] <bcsaller_> another option is to pass ?grep=somestring at the end of the URL you're accessing
[16:15] <bcsaller_> which also works
[16:15] <bcsaller_> but .only is very simple if you have the test in the editor already
[16:15] <hatch> yeah the grep fails every time with a 404
[16:16] <hatch> but the only worked nicely
[16:17] <hatch> now to figure out what's going on with this logging
[16:17] <bcsaller_> the current skin around grep puts a trailing slash where there shouldn't be on, remove the slash and it works
[16:18] <hatch> https://gist.github.com/hatched/5638c5dde8fcfeac49b8
[16:19] <hatch> so those console.logs should output to the browser console?
[16:20] <hatch> I just want to make sure I didn't mess something up which would cause them not to
[16:21] <hatch> if I enable YUI debug logs those end up in the console so I'm going to guess that these console.logs are being trapped somehow
[16:22] <hatch> I should mention that if I use console.log in any other test file the logs aren't outputed to the console
[16:28] <hatch> yeah looks like console.log is being clobbered
[16:28] <hatch> darn
[16:30] <teknico> gary_poster, sorry, lost both land lines at once, connected via mobile now, which is not very much conducive to hangouts
[16:31] <gary_poster> teknico, :-( sorry.  we'll fill you in when we can
[16:32] <hatch> yikes - must be a lot of construction around you guys :)
[16:32] <hatch> or the nom nom fiber eating moles
[16:32] <teknico_mobile> hatch, nah, just rotten countryside copper wires :-/
[16:34] <hatch> ahh that'll happen
[16:34] <hatch> our primary telco is a crown corp so we have pretty unreal communications
[16:35] <hatch> something like 95% of the prov can get high speed internet
[16:35] <hatch> and we only have ~1M people hah
[16:36] <hatch> of course that comes with its own side effects....primarily being that the customer service SUCKS!
[16:38] <hatch> there is only one real competitor for landline/internet but they have bandwidth limits
[16:38] <hatch> and there are a ton of mobile competitors but they don't have many towers
[17:05] <hatch> victory!
[17:05] <hatch> at least debugger; still worked :)
[17:16] <hatch> gary_poster: ok subapp-extension branch now has tests - much to the chagrin of mocha I'm sure
[17:16] <hatch> :P
[17:17] <gary_poster> :-) will look soon
[17:28] <benji> gary_poster: I'm looking to start a new card (pausing my slack one) since my charmhelpers branch was reviewed and approved.  The "Story 1" lane is the only one not at the WIP limit and it has no high priority cards.  Is there one you would prefer I take?
[17:28] <gary_poster> on call...
[17:29] <gary_poster> benji, new command?
[17:29] <benji> gary_poster: sounds good, that's what I was thinking
[17:29] <gary_poster> cool
[17:30] <benji> gary_poster: should "get_annotations" be blocked because there aren't "annotations" in go-juju?
[17:30] <gary_poster> y benji
[17:30]  * benji blocks that card, and set_annotations
[17:31] <benji> er... "update_annotations"
[17:32] <benji> and "remove_annoations"
[17:38] <Makyo> bcsaller_, minor on the delta-annotations branch.  The annotation is being passed as 'landscape-needs-rebooot'.  Can we settle on either two or five 'o's for 'reboot'?
[17:38] <bcsaller_> ha, wonder how that happened, I'll push an update now
[17:39] <bcsaller_> Makyo: pushed
[17:39] <Makyo> bcsaller_, thanks.
[17:59] <Makyo> bcsaller_, everything's working with one change to the gui branch.  Will grab a diff.
[17:59] <bcsaller_> Makyo: excellent
[18:00] <Makyo> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5568288/
[18:01] <Makyo> bcsaller_, er, the last bit is from merging, never mind that.
[18:02] <bcsaller_> ha, ok
[18:06] <hatch> lunch &
[18:54] <benji> gary_poster: let me know when you have a second for a post-pre-implementation call
[19:02] <bcsaller_> Makyo: ahh, thanks for the diff, I read it wrong the first time missing _where_ in the file you were doing the update, makes sense and applied
[19:02] <Makyo> bcsaller_, thanks.  +1 from me, then.
[19:03] <gary_poster> benji can have quick one now or longer one later
[19:03] <gary_poster> which do you prefer
[19:03] <benji> gary_poster: lets try now
[19:03] <gary_poster> ok
[19:03] <benji> the regular place?
[19:03] <gary_poster> yeah
[19:05] <Makyo> guihelp - If someone's got time, a quick review of https://codereview.appspot.com/7369054/ would help move the landscape stuff along quickly.
[19:06] <hatch> I'll take one
[19:06] <hatch> give me a few
[19:06] <Makyo> hatch, thanks.
[19:07] <hatch> Makyo: does this after update stuff have anything to do with the reason the app call dispatch() so much?
[19:08] <Makyo> hatch, possibly on views other than the environment view.
[19:09] <Makyo> hatch, that'd be another branch, though.  Goal is to try and have branches for the rest of the landscape work today.
[19:09] <hatch> yep that's fine
[19:11] <hatch> so this 'update' event is actually from another view/model?
[19:12] <bac> benji: do you know how to run 'go test -gocheck.v' for juju-core?  it seems to have a different syntax.
[19:12] <Makyo> hatch, update happens when a delta is received from the server.
[19:12] <bac> that is, you can run 'go test ./...' from launchpad.net/juju-core
[19:12] <bac> but if you add -gocheck.v it says there is no go source there
[19:12] <bac> annoying
[19:13] <gary_poster> bac is the jujucore exercise done now that you sent out the email with instructions?  (have not yet read and will do so)
[19:14] <bac> gary_poster: i think yes
[19:14] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[19:14] <bac> card moved
[19:14] <gary_poster> thx
[19:16] <hatch> Makyo: can you point me to the file where it's being fired from?
[19:17] <bcsaller_> hatch: app/models/models.js:Database is the primary source
[19:17] <Makyo> hatch, bcsaller_ line 511
[19:18] <hatch> got it thanks guys - just writing my response right now
[19:18] <bac> benji: nm, it doesn't look like you can run 'go test -gocheck.v' recursively.
[19:23] <hatch> bcsaller_: Makyo done
[19:26] <bac> gary_poster: roger is working on 'juju set' config, bug 1130169.  not sure how you want to handle the card
[19:26] <_mup_> Bug #1130169: Support set_config in juju-core env <jujucore> <juju-gui:In Progress by rogpeppe> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130169 >
[19:26] <bac> i linked the bug to his branch and assigned him the bug
[19:26] <gary_poster> bac set_config bug 1130169 also right?
[19:26] <_mup_> Bug #1130169: Support set_config in juju-core env <jujucore> <juju-gui:In Progress by rogpeppe> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130169 >
[19:27] <bac> gary_poster: that is the same bug
[19:31] <gary_poster> bac I put it in tracking for now
[19:32] <hatch> gary_poster: because it looks like you aren't doing anything today ;) I have added tests to both of the tasks blocking the kanban
[19:32] <bcsaller_> Makyo: its in if you didn't get that notification
[19:32] <gary_poster> hatch, heh
[19:32] <gary_poster> looking
[19:32] <Makyo> bcsaller_, thanks, grabbing some food now, will merge after lunch.
[19:35] <hatch> crap sorry I committed the test code with only in it
[19:35] <gary_poster> hatch, huh?
[19:35] <hatch> describe.only()
[19:35] <hatch> vs describe()
[19:35] <gary_poster> oh
[19:35] <hatch> re-proposing now
[19:36] <gary_poster> cool, will be back in a few
[19:53] <bac> gary_poster: ping me when you're back
[19:53] <gary_poster> bac, I'm back
[19:54] <bac> gary_poster: for things like bug 1130159 the work entails only the juju-core side, no?
[19:54] <_mup_> Bug #1130159: Support expose in juju-core env <jujucore> <juju-gui:In Progress by bac> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130159 >
[19:55] <bac> it has that right in the title but the body shows juju-gui env bits
[19:55] <gary_poster> bac, the bug represents both sides.  You are welcome to subdivide it
[19:55] <bac> gary_poster: is it your expectation that they be done in lockstep?
[19:55] <bac> or close
[19:55] <gary_poster> bac, juju-core env can also refer to the JS juju-core env
[19:56] <gary_poster> bac, close
[19:56] <gary_poster> bac, we should verify practically each step of the way that JS is working fine with what we implement on the Go side, so we don't get nasty surprises
[19:57] <gary_poster> I don't expect them, but that's why they are called surprises :-P
[19:58] <bac> gary_poster: not to nit picks, but those bugs should at least have two bug tasks, one for juju-core and one for juju-gui.  i'll update the expose one.
[19:58] <gary_poster> thanks bac
[20:00] <bac> rats, i can't change importance on the juju-core bugtask.
[20:07] <benji> teeny-tiny review up at https://codereview.appspot.com/7377056
[20:24] <gary_poster> benji and bcsaller, I philosophically support both of your small branches, though I won't have time for reviewing them till later.  hatch, am I right in assuming that your changes to the branch have been ready for me for some time now?
[20:24] <hatch> gary_poster: yeah :) I knew you were busy so that's alright
[20:24] <benji> gary_poster: my branch has been reviewed and landed.  Where is your philosophy now!?
[20:24] <hatch> lol
[20:25] <gary_poster> benji, lol, happy to see that was unnecessary
[20:25] <benji> :)
[20:27] <gary_poster> bcsaller and hatch I have to specify goals for the sprint.  I'd like you to focus on getting the continuous integration and IE fixes.  The goal would be to have CI working with Jenkins on Canonistack, which will have a few interesting challenges; to have at least some of the integration tests passing on IE, which will also be interesting; to fix at least four IE bugs; and to identify remaining necessary work.
[20:27] <gary_poster> Is that alright?  I can help as possible.  We can have some remote help to from Diogo Matsubara
[20:27] <gary_poster> who has done some Jenkins set up in the past
[20:27] <hatch> gary_poster: I won't have any way to test IE10 there
[20:27] <gary_poster> hatch, no virtualbox?
[20:28] <hatch> my laptop only has 4GB of ram but I could attempt it :)
[20:28] <gary_poster> heh
[20:28] <gary_poster> I hear ya
[20:28] <hatch> if I can get it running then I have no issues with that task
[20:30] <hatch> ok I lied I only have 3GB according to `free -m`
[20:30] <hatch> so it doesn't look like I'll even be able to run win 8
[20:32] <hatch> or am I going to have to buy a new laptop before Sunday? ;)
[20:33] <gary_poster> heh
[20:33] <gary_poster> no, but darn.  best laid plans
[20:34] <hatch> maybe I can buy some more ram
[20:34] <hatch> I wonder if my old mac mini ram will fit
[20:34] <hatch> if so then....problem solved
[20:38] <Makyo> I only have 4GB
[20:38] <Makyo> I think I assigned 2 to the Win8 VM.
[20:38] <gary_poster> hatch ^^
[20:38] <Makyo> hatch, It'll run IE, at least, but not much more :)
[20:38] <hatch> yeah I only have 3 - I tried to assign less than 2 on my desktop here and it locked up every time
[20:40] <hatch> it appears to be running...
[20:40] <hatch> ubuntu loaded
[20:41] <hatch> free -m gives me.....
[20:41] <hatch> BOOM
[20:41] <hatch> 8GB
[20:41] <hatch> ok problem solved
[20:41] <hatch> pfft and my wife always complains that I keep too much junk around
[20:41] <hatch> :P
[21:08] <hatch> jujugui - any chance I could get final reviews on https://codereview.appspot.com/7384059/ and https://codereview.appspot.com/7381055/ today please ? :)
[21:09] <benji> hatch: if your original reviewers can't make a return appearance, let me know and I can take a look
[21:09] <gary_poster> :-) I will do mine starting in 5.
[21:09] <bcsaller_> hatch: I'll review in 5 or 10 as well
[21:10] <hatch> thanks!
[22:08] <gary_poster> hatch https://codereview.appspot.com/7381055/ is done
[22:08] <gary_poster> looking at others
[22:08] <hatch> thanks - loosk like I have a few things to add/change I'll be sure to do those tonight
[22:13] <hatch> bcsaller_: thoughts on passing in factories vs strings for the sub app registration?
[22:13] <hatch> gary_poster would prefer factories/constructor, I used strings to match the view syntax
[22:13] <hatch> but I'm impartial either way
[22:14]  * gary_poster waves
[22:15] <bcsaller_> hatch: I think explicit passing is pretty simple, I went with that for the component system we use as well.
[22:15] <hatch> ok I'll change that syntax then
[22:16] <hatch> bcsaller_: wrt the navigate overwrite - it worked as expected in the prototype but I also anticipate there will be side effects but without a more complex example I have no idea what those might be
[22:16] <bcsaller_> hatch:  topo.addModule(views.ServiceModule); It is explicit and can still reveals the namespace.
[22:18] <bcsaller_> hatch: maybe it leaves enough of the code inert, but there are still bound handles to history events I think, guess we'll see
[22:19] <hatch> I'll spend some time tonight to investigate further
[22:21] <hatch> thanks for the reviews!
[22:35] <gary_poster> ok hatch, did the other one now :-P https://codereview.appspot.com/7384059/
[22:37] <hatch> thanks :) I want this out of my hair so I'll fix everything in the comments and have it ready in the morning
[22:37] <gary_poster> hatch, is the namespace you describe just a convention, or part of a YUI feature?  https://codereview.appspot.com/7369054/diff/1/app/app.js#newcode259
[22:38] <hatch> it's a little bit of both actually
[22:38] <gary_poster> cool hatch.  I said LGTM, so for me you don't need me follow-up review unless you want it
[22:38] <hatch> one sec let me find an example
[22:38] <gary_poster> The "cool" was re the "fixing everything"
[22:38] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[22:40] <hatch> here is an example of it being part of yui archiecture http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hatch/juju-gui/1130790-extend-app-subapp/view/head:/test/test_sub_app.js#L30
[22:40] <hatch> see because I 'published' the event and included a 'facade' it namespaces the events automatically
[22:41] <gary_poster> ah!
[22:41] <gary_poster> ok cool
[22:41] <gary_poster> ty
[22:41] <hatch> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hatch/juju-gui/1130790-extend-app-subapp/view/head:/app/assets/javascripts/sub-app.js#L19
[22:41]  * gary_poster is exhausted :-P
[22:41] <gary_poster> I need to run
[22:41] <gary_poster> have a great evening everyone
[22:41] <hatch> alrighty have a good night :)
[22:41] <bcsaller_> nite
[22:42] <gary_poster> hatch, yeah I remembered that from review, thx
[22:42] <gary_poster> bye
[22:42] <hatch> yeah so if you don't publish the event it's usually convention to namespace it
[22:42] <hatch> just to avoid collisions
[22:42] <hatch> :)
[22:42] <hatch> and then anyone reading the code knows where it's from too
[22:43] <hatch> but yeah, my comment was moreso just a `FYI` :)
[22:53] <bcsaller_> Makyo: https://codereview.appspot.com/7381060/  is the menu wip branch, I suspect we both have code to push the landscape object to the topo, but thats a minor merge.
[22:54] <Makyo> bcsaller_, Was just about to ping.  Running into scope problems.
[22:54] <bcsaller_> Makyo: need a call about it?
[22:54] <Makyo> bcsaller_, Yeah, I think I'm basically stuck :P
[22:55] <bcsaller_> Makyo: in hangout


[02:36] <Captainkrtek> hey
[03:00] <Captainkrtek> hey jjesse and jbicha
[03:01] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-doc-list/2011-May/msg00008.html
[03:02] <Captainkrtek> very cool!
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> Wish I could go :/ Finals are around that week
[03:03] <jbicha> finals in June?
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> ehh late may early June
[03:04] <Captainkrtek> also don't have the money to travel right now :/
[03:04] <Captainkrtek> brb going to go test the printer setup directions
[04:51] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, got the doc nearly done for printing
[05:02] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, please commit this: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help/revision/1567
[05:16] <jbicha> ok, I've merged it into my private branch & will check it again in the morning
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> okay
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> I just loaded up a live cd on a diff. pc with a printer
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> wrote the doc from there
[05:21] <jbicha> did it find the driver automatically?
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> yes
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> but I also wrote the part for adding it manually
[05:21] <jbicha> on mine, I had to click through
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> yeaha
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> I made the two guides
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> either auto or manual setup
[05:22] <jbicha> maybe because there's 2 drivers, simple & the other one
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> who knows
[05:22] <jbicha> so it was half auto/half manual for me
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> hmm
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> odd
[22:55] <Rocket2DMn> hey mdke , are you setting up for a maverick SRU?


[06:21] <paddatrapper> morning everyone from the wet CT
[06:28] <andrewlsd> Wonderful rain for CPT. So glad.
[06:28] <andrewlsd> morning paddatrapper
[06:29] <magespawn> good morning
[06:31] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:41] <chesedo> Morning paddatrapper andrewlsd magespawn inetpro and others from a wet and cold PRT too
[06:41] <Langjan> Good morning all
[06:41] <Maaz> Langjan: Langjan: By the way, you have a pile of memos waiting for you, too many to read out in public. PM me
[06:42] <andrewlsd> morning chesedo magespawn inetpro
[06:42] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:43] <inetpro> I mean good morning Langjan
[06:43] <Langjan> Hi inetpro are you well?
[06:43] <inetpro> oh and chesedo and all others as well
[06:43] <inetpro> Langjan: good and yourself
[06:43] <Langjan> Very well thanks
[06:44] <Langjan> Havent seen kilos around
[06:44] <inetpro> Langjan: am not sure whether you can read the pile of messages from Maaz
[06:44] <Langjan> I have tried but cannot get to them
[06:45] <Langjan> Opened up PM but how do I ask Maaz for them?
[06:47] <inetpro> Miles wrote, "...doc forgot to fill in admittance form to 9.3 then tells me I'm not having an attack now so I can go hom"
[06:47] <inetpro> "I refused and got him to read the report from monash health now ibooked into 9.3 again when there is an empty bed"
[06:47] <inetpro> "Sigh. Such incompetence."
[06:48] <inetpro> was sitting in a lazyboy for three days at steve bikho because they didn't have beds
[06:48] <Langjan> inetpro, it's shocking what happens in hospitals, even the private ones
[06:49] <Langjan> So hes been admitted at emergency?
[06:49] <inetpro> he just told me that he will try to come online here in about an hour
[06:49] <Langjan> Good, thanks
[06:50] <inetpro> yep, still in there... think since Monday
[06:53] <inetpro> traffic on this rainy day in Pretoria was a real disaster this morning
[06:55] <andrewlsd> Channel topic needs to be updated with next meeting date. still states 24 Jan.
[06:55] <andrewlsd> inetpro: I think you can change it.
[06:56] <inetpro> andrewlsd: oops... will do that asap
[07:11] <inetpro> andrewlsd: done... thanks for the reminder
[07:11] <andrewlsd> +1 inetpro
[07:24] <inetpro> Langjan: you can always chat with him directly on Telegram as well
[07:27] <Langjan> OK thanks inetpro
[07:48] <nsnzero> morning guys'
[08:34] <pavlushka> Morning back to everyone :)
[08:34] <pavlushka> So Kilos is in Hospital, good to know.
[09:41] <chesedo> inetpro: did you mark that on trello as well?
[09:41]  * chesedo has to restrict his internet until the 1st (cap almost out)
[09:43] <inetpro> chesedo: ouch, I'll do it quick
[09:43] <inetpro> at least the end of the month is close
[09:43] <inetpro> \
[09:43] <chesedo> thanks inetpro
[09:43] <chesedo> yip...
[09:45] <inetpro> hashtag CappedInternetMustFall
[09:50]  * chesedo is waiting for fibre is his area
[09:50] <jerit> mweb has uncapped starting around R200
[09:50] <tumbleweed> my parents had a fibre project in their area
[09:51] <tumbleweed> and immediately after that started, telkom launched fibre
[09:51] <tumbleweed> the original fibre project hasn't got started in their street, yet
[09:51] <chesedo> jerit: adsl and 3g are not options for... telkom will not serve my area and I have poor 3g/LTE reception...
[09:52] <chesedo> s/for/for me/
[09:52] <chesedo> only have WISP and fibre to look forward to
[09:52] <jerit> I'd give my left nut for fibre
[09:53] <jerit> google fibre if it was available
[09:55] <chesedo> atleast the entire community is working together to get open fibre here (for that last 2 years about)
[09:56] <chesedo> inetpro: you might also be insterested in it http://ptanorthfibre.co.za/
[12:00] <inetpro> chesedo: oh of course I am, thanks
[15:25] <magespawn> later all
[18:26] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[18:52] <smile> hi :)
[19:43] <smile> bye :p
[21:02] <smile> hi