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[07:33] <juliank> sil2100: Can we let python-apt go from proposed to release? apport fails a bit on i386, but it does most of the time (fix pending). I want to upload a new python-apt with f/e locking soon, going back to the 1.7 branch, so I'd like the revert to stable 1.6 to go in now so we don't break the py3.7 migration
[07:34] <juliank> (The new one might cause failures again, I don't know yet)
[07:36] <juliank> (Fix is a strong word for the apport stuff - it connects to real Launchpad which produces 502 and friends sometimes, hence I'm adding automatic retrying of LP API calls on those errors)
[07:53] <sil2100> juliank: looking at the apport failure itself, strange thing on the failing case I see
[07:54] <juliank> sil2100: What's strange? It faisl to install packages from launchpad because launchpad times out
[07:56] <sil2100> juliank: so test_install_packages_from_launchpad times out? There's no retries done right now, right?
[07:56] <juliank> sil2100: Yeah, you essentially see the same thing in<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:56] <juliank> which was for qterminakl
[07:56] <sil2100> I was just wondering since the printed out API urls aren't properly urlencoded, just hope they're not used literally as they're printed out
[07:57] <juliank> Well, it does not time out client side, it times out on the server side and LP gives you the 502 error
[07:57] <juliank> You must have seen those in the browser too
[07:58] <sil2100> The printed out urls felt strange to me, but I guess they're probably are properly urlencoded before the actual API call happens
[07:58] <sil2100> Anyway, yeah, let me hint it
[07:58] <juliank> yeah, they work fine in the other runs
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, for some reasons php-net-ldap2 migrated again :/
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> instead of kicking it again to proposed, what about ignoring the testsuite? autopkgtest for php-net-ldap2/2.2.0-3ubuntu1: amd64: Regression ♻ , arm64: Regression ♻ , armhf: Regression ♻ , i386: Regression ♻ , ppc64el: Regression ♻ , s390x: Regression ♻
[08:37] <LocutusOfBorg> this way we can move forward with php, and not demoting it forever, since it might be just a testsuite bug
[08:37] <LocutusOfBorg> (the failure is in phpunit changes in testsuite, it doesn't seem to affect the normal usage, but I'm not a php savvy man anymore=
[08:43] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, sigh, or it should have been blocked in -proposed via a bug
[08:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ceph (bionic-proposed/main) [12.2.4-0ubuntu1.1 => 12.2.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[08:50] <Laney> sil2100: hey, I'm getting spammed with emails about that new ubuntu-image PR because autopkgtest-web can't post its results back
[08:50] <Laney> maybe something broke with the recent change to require 2fa and it needs a new token or something? could you help please?
[08:51] <Laney> if you go to autopkgtest-web0 and run "DEBUG=1 ~/autopkgtest-cloud/webcontrol/update-github-jobs bionic-amd64-ubuntu-image-156-1350dac39be5aa92eadde8c1ebb558e730f4829f" you can see it's getting a 404
[08:51] <Laney> which according to https://developer.github.com/v3/troubleshooting/ means authentication problem
[09:19] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, but why blocking a set of packages if just testsuite is broken? isn't an hint better in this case?
[09:22] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, possibly so, but you seem to be just assuming the test suite is broken, rather than the package is broke
[09:22] <Laney> "just"
[09:26] <cpaelzer> to be sure an ordering question
[09:26] <cpaelzer> dovecot <IP_ADDRESS> is in c-proposed and there waiting on the new queue
[09:27] <cpaelzer> I know that later on we will need to push a new dovecot-antispam no change rebuild against the new ABI
[09:27] <cpaelzer> can I upload the latter already while the former is waiting in new queue?
[09:28] <cpaelzer> or would the build not pick up the new ABI from dovecot in -proposed
[09:28] <rbasak> I don't think the rebuild will see the package in the new queue (whether new source or binary).
[09:28] <cpaelzer> TL;DR if in new queue, is it never the less available and will be pulled on builds
[09:28] <rbasak> So I think you need to wait.
[09:28] <rbasak> Oh
[09:28] <rbasak> OK :)
[09:28] <cpaelzer> the above was a question
[09:28] <cpaelzer> the TL;DR
[09:28] <cpaelzer> add a ?
[09:28] <rbasak> Oh
[09:29] <rbasak> Well in that case I think my answer stands.
[09:29] <cpaelzer> great
[09:29] <rbasak> I believe binaries in new are invisible to builds.
[09:29] <rbasak> (since they are not published until accepted)
[09:29] <cpaelzer> I understand, but the particular binary that the rebuild would need is not in NEW
[09:30] <cpaelzer> only a few other new binaries that were added to the dovecot source
[09:30] <rbasak> Is the new binary build dep visible and installable by apt with cosmic-proposed enabled? Eg. can chdist on cosmic-proposed see it?
[09:30] <rbasak> That's I think the crucial question.
[09:34] <cpaelzer> no, even though the LP page says "published" the new versions do not show up yet in a system with proposed enabled as of now
[09:35]  * cpaelzer continues to wait then
[09:36] <Laney> You could use a versioned build-dep if you wanted
[09:36] <cpaelzer> to wait until it is available?
[09:36] <cpaelzer> I guess that is too mcuh for the case here
[09:37]  * Laney shrugs
[09:37] <cpaelzer> hehe
[09:37] <Laney> Just giving you a suggestion that will let it work automatically. If you want to be a human poll(), be my guest.
[09:38] <cpaelzer> I don't want to change the package, currently is is a sync with a bunch of no change rebuilds
[09:38] <cpaelzer> the versioned dep would break that
[09:38] <Laney> No.
[09:38] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, the new php changed the naming of *test* classes, and the ~15 packages I had to patch, were just lots of sed in the testsuite code
[09:38] <cpaelzer> no?
[09:38] <cpaelzer> please explain
[09:38] <Laney> Make it a buildN version and add a changelog comment saying why you did it
[09:38] <LocutusOfBorg> but I honestly don't care too much, the package is out of debian testing, so removing is fine too
[09:38] <LocutusOfBorg> I can open a bug if you hint it
[09:39] <Laney> autosync only looks at the version, so the diff will still be killed the next time
[09:39] <apw> cpaelzer, right things in New do not yet exist, as we might reject them
[09:39] <apw> in an archive pool sense
[09:39] <cpaelzer> Laney: that is very interesting - so a ...build1 delta will still be sync killed
[09:39] <mwhudson> i have a shell script that runs curl and grep-dctrl to see when things are /really/ published...
[09:39] <cpaelzer> didn't know that
[09:39] <cpaelzer> Thanks ++
[09:41] <Laney> 👍
[09:43] <sil2100> Laney: hey! Ugh
[09:43] <sil2100> Laney: ok, didn't know anything about it, I'll look into it today
[09:43] <Laney> sil2100: thanks
[09:44] <Laney> There's some ubuntu-autopkg-bot thing that's probably somehow involved
[09:44] <Laney> Maybe it lost permissions or something
[09:44] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: Is this really actually hard to fix? And did it need 5 retries per arch?
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[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, for me it is hard to fix, and retries were part of a bunch of fixes I did, I just didn't remove the package from the list
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> we got lots of new phpunits in the meanwhile
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> btw the package is unmaintained even upstream, so I don't know, how to fix
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> I fixed the renaming, but testsuite fails after that point
[09:55] <LocutusOfBorg> I honestly would remove unmaintained upstream packages, in case nobody here or in Debian wants and know how to fix them
[09:58] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg: I don't have a particular problem with kicking stuff out. I do have a problem with saying that "just" testsuite breakage is fine.
[09:58] <Laney> I don't think we know if the thing is busted or not given how early it breaks.
[09:59] <Laney> and I do request people to not submit excessive retries please
[10:12] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, ack on all of them
[10:13] <Laney> Maybe that upload fixes it and you can argue about the removal under less pressure. :P
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm I did that change already...
[10:18] <LocutusOfBorg> but maybe something else changed in the meanwhile
[10:27] <Laney> dunno, the error looked pretty clear to me
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> I even looked at the new prototype in phpunit to see differences, and I found that return issue
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> but maybe I crafted a wrong patch
[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, hold on, NULL is different from '', probably I changed only the return value and not the parameters passed in the function
[10:37] <Laney> :>
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[11:29] <sil2100> Laney: I think the u-i issue should be fixed now, give me a sign if you still get the spam
[11:29] <Laney> sil2100: sweet!
[11:29] <Laney> check the PR to see if the results came in
[11:31] <sil2100> Yep!
[11:31] <sil2100> So all good
[11:31] <Laney> 🕺
[11:31] <Laney> good work!
[11:32] <Laney> was the bot account losing its authorisation right?
[11:32] <sil2100> Yeah, got kicked out of CanonicalLtd because of missing 2fa
[11:32] <Laney> that ol thing
[11:32] <sil2100> So actually it was IS that did most of the work here ;)
[11:33] <Laney> TEAM!
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[14:28] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/saods9/cosmic/arm64 can we please hint it?
[14:28] <LocutusOfBorg> it is regressed in release
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[17:51] <GunnarHj> Several packages in cosmic-proposed are blocked on ffmpeg 7:4.0.2-1. Is anybody working on that?
[19:27] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, anybody please update mariadb hint to mariadb-10.1/1:10.1.34-1ubuntu2
[19:33] <rbasak> I can't do it, but hear you can send MPs now :)
[19:33] <rbasak> (but I hear)
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[20:22] <tsimonq2> GunnarHj: Yeah, it's a tangled mess at the moment.
[20:25] <jbicha> I think it would be appropriate to reject budgie-desktop from cosmic NEW because of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2018-August/005408.html
[20:28] <tsimonq2> jbicha: I would agree that it's not good that the uploader did that, but I disagree that it is grounds for rejection.
[20:28] <tsimonq2> If that's the only problem with the package, it's relatively simple to fix.
[20:29] <jbicha> well anyway, I filed bug 1786107 instead
[20:30] <rbasak> I think it'd be more painful to fix when users have had those files taken over by this other new package
[20:31] <jbicha> as long as it doesn't leave -proposed, it won't cause much pain. I was just thinking rejecting from NEW keeps it out of -proposed too
[20:31] <infinity> It's also a nonsensical relationship.
[20:31] <infinity> It's using a made-up version of caffeine.
[20:32] <infinity> A versioned breaks/replaces like that is only sane if the target package is removing those files at that version.
[20:34] <rbasak> Oooh, while you're here, I have one for you.
[20:34] <rbasak> mysql-server-core-8.0 breaks/replaces mysql-server-core-5.7.
[20:34] <rbasak> Normally unversioned breaks/replaces are a red flag, AIUI.
[20:35] <rbasak> But in this case, we seem be artifically inserting one for no real reason. Can this breaks/replaces remain unversioned?
[20:35] <rbasak> Or perhaps we should move towards mysql-server-core instead?
[20:35] <rbasak> We once shipped two MySQL versions in one release (Trusty IIRC), but I never want to do that again anyway.
[20:36] <rbasak> (because though it is technically unversioned it is effectively versioned by the version being in the package name)
[20:37] <rbasak> infinity: ^
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected budgie-desktop [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180806.01.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1]
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected budgie-desktop [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180806.01.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1]
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected budgie-desktop [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180806.01.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1]
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected budgie-desktop [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180806.01.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1]
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected budgie-desktop [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180806.01.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1]
[20:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected budgie-desktop [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [10.4+git20180806.01.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1]
[20:38] <infinity> rbasak: An unversioned Breaks/Replaces is a Conflicts, for all intents and purposes, and should be.
[20:39] <rbasak> I was under the impression that it was mildly preferable to allow the avoiding of deconfiguring before replacement
[20:39] <rbasak> (this matters more for mysql-server-5.7 vs -8.0)
[20:39] <infinity> rbasak: (At the dpkg level, it's subtly differnt, and *wrong* for it to be a Breaks/Replaces, as Replaces lets you arbitrarily overwrite files without removing the original package, and not having a version constraint on that can lead to unforseen consequences of file disappearance)
[20:39] <infinity> rbasak: People using Breaks/Replaces for Conflicting packages are just wrong and got bad advice from somewhere.
[20:40] <rbasak> OK
[20:40] <infinity> rbasak: Breaks = I'm compatible with versions outside the given constraint, Replaces = I overwrite files in versions that match the constraint, Conflicts = Fuck this package, I hate it and can't coexist.
[20:41] <infinity> rbasak: Basically, if your Breaks/Replaces can't be sanely versioned, it's a Conflict.  If your Conflict CAN be versions, it's a Breaks (and maybe B/R if file overlaps).
[20:48] <fossfreedom> infinity, jbicha quick clarification if poss on the caffeine situation.  If caffeine is split into two packages one for icons, one for the main body, how is that going to help?  On upgrade, both packages will still be installed and will clash with what upstream budgie has done
[20:49] <infinity> fossfreedom: I'm not sure splitting is the answer here.  It looks like budgie-desktop includes a full version of caffeine.  Correct me if I'm wrong...
[20:50] <rbasak> fossfreedom: either they're the same files and you should both depend on a package that provides them, or they're entirely different semantaically and you can ideally rename to avoid conflict to permit concurrent installation of the same packages, or declare a Conflicts.
[20:50] <rbasak> Oh
[20:50] <infinity> fossfreedom: Which means that budgie-desktop shouldn't be arbitrarily overwriting files from caffeine, it should either just straigh tup conflict with it, or the embedded copy should be namespaced to not conflict.
[20:50] <rbasak> But also, unembed?
[20:50] <infinity> fossfreedom: Or, yes, budgie-desktop shouldn't ship any of that, and should just depend on caffeine instead.
[20:51] <fossfreedom> it has its own caffeine budgie applet now infinity - built in the same source package
[20:51] <infinity> fossfreedom: Yes.  I see that.  Is it somehow better/different?
[20:52] <fossfreedom> The difference is that it is native to budgie and as one extra capability not in the appindicator - you can add a timer.  Other than that - similar, using the same icons
[20:52] <fossfreedom> has
[20:53] <infinity> fossfreedom: If it's indeed better/different, it should either be namespaced to not conflict, or you should just conflict with caffeine (and stop including it in your desktop seed :P)
[20:54] <infinity> fossfreedom: The Breaks/Replaces is entirely wrong here, as you don't want to just be overwriting files from other packages, you want to not coexist with them.
[20:54] <fossfreedom> not really understanding the terminology - "namespaced" ?
[20:54] <infinity> fossfreedom: Namespaced, as in you could rename the budgie variant "budgie-caffeine" so it doesn't have any file overlaps.
[20:54] <infinity> fossfreedom: But if they're basically the same thing, I don't see why you'd want both installed at all.
[20:54] <infinity> fossfreedom: So a Conflict makes more sense.
[20:55] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, I did it once or twice, but I think it is not worth the double effort...
[20:55] <fossfreedom> hmm - I would have to devise a patch to build a binary - its not something upstream would be interested in doing - they insist all applets to be installed in one go (in this case "budgie-core")
[20:56] <infinity> fossfreedom: Erm, I'm not suggesting building another binary.
[20:57] <fossfreedom> Just replacing the breaks/replace with a provides/conflicts/replace ?
[20:57] <infinity> fossfreedom: I'm suggesting either the caffeine stuff in budgie should be renamed to make it clear it's a budgie fork of caffeine, or budgie-desktop should just "Conflict: caffeine"
[20:57] <infinity> fossfreedom: Not provides/conflicts/replaces, no.  Just a Conflict.
[20:58] <fossfreedom> k - we can do that
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~costamagnagianfranco/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/3527837
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg> rbasak, ^^ do you like it?
[20:58] <infinity> fossfreedom: provide/conflicts/replaces is a magic trio for interchangeable metapackages (like mail-transport-agent).  Unless you're suggesting budgie-desktop would be an approrpriate thing to get when a GNOME user asked to install caffeine, that would not be appropriate.
[20:58] <rbasak> It doesn't seem right to me to have the conflict.
[20:58] <rbasak> They should be concurrently installable. There's no fundamental reason they can't be.
[20:59] <rbasak> One user might want the caffeine applet and another one the budgie one.
[20:59] <infinity> rbasak: Making them coinstallable is maybe the better option, but also required either selling upstream on it, or carrying a large local patch.
[20:59] <infinity> s/required/requires/
[20:59] <rbasak> IMHO, not being hostile to other packages is part of the packagers responsibility.
[21:00] <infinity> rbasak: I don't disagree.  Though it seems mostly academic here, as caffeine has no rdeps other than (ironically) ubuntu-budgie-desktop
[21:00] <rbasak> People use caffeine directly
[21:01] <rbasak> People also like having multiple desktop environments concurrently installed.
[21:01] <rbasak> (eg. for a two-user home computer)
[21:02] <infinity> fossfreedom: Does the budgie version provide all the same functionality as the non-budgie version, just with a few extra bits?
[21:02] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: 404?
[21:02] <fossfreedom> infinity, all the same functionality + the extra timer capability
[21:02] <rbasak> What's with the extra 7? :)
[21:03] <tjaalton> infinity: hi, do you have time to review the x driver removals sometime soon?
[21:03] <infinity> fossfreedom: Is there any intent to push the extra functionality upstream, or will it stay forked forever?
[21:03] <infinity> tjaalton: Sometime, but I'm in the middle of 3 discussions right now.
[21:03] <tjaalton> sure
[21:03] <tjaalton> but like this week maybe :)
[21:04] <rbasak> LocutusOfBorg: the MP looks fine. I don't know if the actual intent is sane, but I can't review anyway, remember? I'm not on the release team.
[21:04] <rbasak> (for the development release)
[21:04] <fossfreedom> infinity, it isnt a fork - written from scratch by Solus (or a contributor).
[21:04] <rbasak> fossfreedom: then I think it should take care to install to paths that don't collide.
[21:04] <infinity> fossfreedom: Err, really?  They rewrote it from scratch and used the same name?
[21:05] <rbasak> fossfreedom: or the packaging should ensure this is the case, and encourage upstream to take that.
[21:05] <jbicha> I think the only file names in conflict are the icon names, and there are reasonable reasons to keep the same icon names (to make things slightly easier for icon theme devs)
[21:06] <fossfreedom> They used the hicolor icon names because that is what some/most iconsets use to provide their caffeine icons.  The hicolor icons is a fallback if the icontheme in use doesnt have a caffeine icon
[21:06] <rbasak> If you want theme devs to be able to replace the icons, then the icons should be in their own package. Or depend on caffeine to get them.
[21:07] <rbasak> (or, at the least, they should be provided by _one_ package)
[21:07] <rbasak> Either they're treated as the same and should be shipped by exactly one package, or they're treated as different and should be shipped at different paths.
[21:09] <infinity> Eh, they're not even the same icons.
[21:09] <fossfreedom> icon theme devs are unlikely to provide budgie caffeine icons and "caffeine" icons
[21:10] <fossfreedom> infinity, yeah - Solus designed their own for the fallback icons.
[21:11] <infinity> fossfreedom: If it's your intent to keep shipping 'caffeine' as well, for the CLI tools, I'd just stop shipping the budgie icons and make budgie-desktop depend on caffeine.
[21:12] <infinity> Now that I realise they're really not the same thing.
[21:12] <fossfreedom> so hold a local patch then?
[21:13] <infinity> Choosing not to ship two files isn't really a "local patch".
[21:14] <rbasak> Your sense of "hold a local patch" is exactly what package maintenance is. Your job is to adjust everything to make it comply with distribution expectations. Ideally this is done by sending patches upstream such that both distribution and upstream needs are met by the same code base.
[21:14] <infinity> Other options include dpkg-divert (please don't), update-alternatives (meh)...
[21:14] <fossfreedom> They are in the Solus source package - so would need to change the meson.build stuff to not install those icon files
[21:14] <infinity> fossfreedom: Or change the packaging to not ship them.
[21:14] <infinity> fossfreedom: You already have a massive override_dh_auto_install, adding two "rm -f" to it wouldn't be hard. :P
[21:16] <fossfreedom> umm - wait though - a depends on the caffeine package would install the appindicator - so budgie users will see both the native and appindicator at the same time
[21:16] <infinity> fossfreedom: caffeine is in your desktop seed currently, so that's likely already true?
[21:17] <fossfreedom> I removed it today from the seeds for cosmic - it is in the seed for bionic - so 18.04 to 18.10 users will travel with the caffeine package installed
[21:17] <infinity> fossfreedom: Also, caffeine-indicator.desktop has:
[21:17] <infinity> OnlyShowIn=GNOME;KDE;LXDE;LXQt;MATE;Razor;ROX;TDE;Unity;XFCE;EDE;Cinnamon;Pantheon;
[21:17] <infinity> Are you one of those?
[21:18] <fossfreedom> GNOME
[21:18] <infinity> That seems poorly thought-out. :P
[21:18] <fossfreedom> I'll send Ikey Doherty around to argue with you :P
[21:18] <infinity> I've heard that's super fun.
[21:19] <infinity> And I already know what his reasons would be.
[21:19] <infinity> Doesn't make 'em right.
[21:19] <infinity> Oh well.
[21:19]  * rbasak senses some extensive distro patching coming on
[21:19] <fossfreedom> It sounds like the least worse solution is a Conflict on caffeine
[21:20] <infinity> The least bad solution is probably renaming the icons and fixing the two references in the source.
[21:20] <infinity> Indeed, that means you wouldn't get caffeine icon themes "for free", but... It's not caffeine.
[21:20] <infinity> And you ship your own icons anyway, so meh?
[21:21] <rbasak> The Conflicts would unreasonably inflict your insanity on others, which is why I think it's just about the worst solution here.
[21:21] <fossfreedom> reluctant - users like theming ... so budgie just using a fallback may look odd
[21:21] <rbasak> So fix your broken desktop then
[21:22] <fossfreedom> ... no sway with upstream I'm afraid
[21:22] <rbasak> Then you get to patch.
[21:23] <rbasak> "Upstream won't like it" is not a valid reason for shipping a bad/hostile distribution package.
[21:24] <rbasak> The point of packaging is to produce an integrated distribution for users. If upstream is hostile to that integration, then it sucks to be the package maintainer.
[21:24] <infinity> fossfreedom: Here, while we were talking: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gcCvvyjNts/
[21:25] <infinity> Oh, that's one patched file too many. ;)
[21:27] <fossfreedom> is your other nickname speedy gonzales ?!
[21:29] <fossfreedom> going to have a close look - thanks for the patch :)
[21:29] <wxl> that's not the name i usually give him :/
[21:29] <wxl> (j/k)
[21:31] <infinity> fossfreedom: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q9m6FGVJ3s/ <-- That might even work.
[21:31] <infinity> wxl: Meanie.
[21:32] <wxl> infinity: yep, that's closer ;)
[21:33] <fossfreedom> cheers. Much appreciated.
[21:39] <rbasak> stgraber: do you realise some of the unrelated patches in bug 1785499 are changed, including some functional changes?
[21:39] <rbasak> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t37ngVTSTP/ is what I see.
[21:40] <rbasak> stgraber: eg. line 236/237 and 252/254
[21:40] <rbasak> stgraber: eg. line 236/237 and 252/253
[21:41] <stgraber> I hate reading diffs of diffs, one sec
[21:42] <infinity> rbasak: Just looks rebased to me.
[21:42] <infinity> rbasak: The patches themselves didn't change.
[21:43] <stgraber> rbasak: I think it's diff being utterly confusing here, it suggests that write_xattr was in the stickybit patch which it never was
[21:43] <infinity> (check indentation of +/-)
[21:43] <rbasak> Oh
[21:43] <rbasak> I'm sorry.
[21:43] <stgraber> looking at the individual patches in debian/patches I see the content I'd expect for those patches
[21:43] <rbasak> Long day. Perhaps I should stop for the day.
[21:43] <stgraber> I did mention on IRC that the tricky part of reviewing this one is making sense of the diff :)
[21:43] <rbasak> Usually I'm fine with reviewing a diff of a diff.
[21:44] <rbasak> I do it all the time. But I've lost it today.
[21:44] <rbasak> I'll look again with fresh eyes tomorrow.
[21:44] <stgraber> well, the issue here is that it's diff of diff when some files got re-numbered in debian/patches
[21:44] <stgraber> and with multiple of those patches touching the same lines
[21:44] <stgraber> so doesn't make for a pleasant output
[21:45] <infinity> stgraber: The renumbering is actually tracked here (I assume he used git diff), but the rebasing is unpleasant to read for some, I imagine. :)
[21:46] <rbasak> Yeah I got git to handle the renumbering for me.
[21:46] <rbasak> git ubuntu queue sync etc
[21:46] <rbasak> That paste is three easy commands away :)
[21:46] <infinity> rbasak: Anyhow, the rebasing looks correct to me, if you want to just review 007 and 008 as the new patches.
[21:46] <rbasak> I no longer trust my eyes for today.
[21:46] <rbasak> But accept if you're happy?
[21:51] <infinity> stgraber: Did you quilt refresh (or similar) while you were in here?
[21:52] <infinity> stgraber: Some line number changes and an odd context line change are curious.
[21:52] <infinity> The context line change being most curious, cause how was that not previously fuzzy>
[21:53] <infinity> Oh, hahaha, that's not in context, it's in the patch header.
[21:53] <stgraber> infinity: I re-synced the patch content with what's in bionic/cosmic
[21:54] <stgraber> which look like someone ran a quilt refresh on at some point (possibly the Debian maintainer did)
[21:55] <infinity> stgraber: So, looks like the only change not accounted for as a refresh or rebase is a 1-liner in 0005-add-fstime.patch
[21:55] <infinity> -+time_t forced_time = NULL;
[21:55] <infinity> ++time_t forced_time = (time_t)0;
[21:56] <stgraber> yeah, apparently that was changed in a more recent version of that patch... not sure why though the two should be identical in this case.
[21:57] <infinity> Changed twice, even.
[21:57] <infinity>   * debian/patches/0005-add-fstime.patch: Fix -Wint-conversion warning by
[21:57] <infinity>     initializing the time_t variable with (time_t)-1 instead of NULL
[21:57] <infinity>   * debian/patches/0005-add-fstime.patch: initializing the time_t variable
[21:57] <infinity>     with (time_t)0 instead of (time_t)-1 to avoid creating all filesystems
[21:57] <infinity>     on "Wed Dec 31 23:59:59 1969"
[21:57] <infinity> stgraber: I don't object to backporting that fix too, but it should be mentioned in the changelog, IMO.
[21:57] <stgraber> haha, yeah I can see how -1 would be a bad idea :)
[21:58] <stgraber> sure, let me update the changelog quickly
[21:59] <infinity> stgraber: Ta.
[21:59] <infinity> Is squashfs upstream dead, or do we just never update?
[22:02] <rbasak> The time_t one was the first one I saw. Then I started interpreting every line as a real change without noticing it wasn't a double-barreled diff change prefix
[22:02] <rbasak> Anyway, thank you for taking over.
[22:02]  * rbasak goes to bed
[22:02] <stgraber> kinda looked dead, people seem to e-mail LKML for it instead which is a bit odd
[22:02] <infinity> Hrm.  Last upstream release 2014, last upstream commit 2017.
[22:02] <infinity> So, not dead, but very slow.
[22:03] <infinity> That's unfortunate.
[22:03] <infinity> Also, upstream git has zstd support (which is the last commit).
[22:03] <infinity> That sounds fun.
[22:03] <stgraber> would be neat if they felt like releaseing every once in a while :)
[22:03] <stgraber> especially given that they haven't released since a CVE fix...
[22:03] <infinity> Yeah, 4.4 is long overdue, I'd say. :P
[22:04] <infinity> And all our local patches should probably go upstream.
[22:04] <infinity> But I'm very not going to do that.
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: squashfs-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [1:4.3-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 1:4.3-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[22:04] <infinity> But with so much of our infra (livefs, some virt/container images, snaps) relying on squashfs, it'd be nice if we could help revitalize upstream.
[22:05] <stgraber> both of the new patches are upstream at least
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected squashfs-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:4.3-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:06] <infinity> stgraber: I didn't really care about the two non-functional changes, but thanks. :)
[22:07] <stgraber> well, figured if I was going to be listing changes due to the resync with bionic :)
[22:08] <stgraber> I can easily find about half of our patches upstream, maybe more are there and I just can't match them in the git history
[22:08] <stgraber> kfreebsd appears missing (not super surprising) and I'm not seeing the lzma magic one either
[22:09] <stgraber> ah and no mention of stickybit
[22:09] <infinity> Kay, so maybe it's not that dire, and someone just needs to poke upstream to release more than once every 4 years.
[22:09] <stgraber> the rest appears to all be upstream in one way or another at least
[22:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted squashfs-tools [source] (xenial-proposed) [1:4.3-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[22:11] <infinity> I'm always slightly terrfied when I run into a project that's still hosted on SourceForge.
[22:11] <infinity> Although, SF looks much more pleasant than when it went through that awful "let's try to monetize with nasty ads" phase.
[22:13] <infinity> stgraber: Any plans to do the same thing to trusty, or no carefactor there?
[22:14] <stgraber> infinity: wasn't planning on it, mostly because the trusty kernel isn't going to get unpriv file caps so caps will just remain busted with LXD on that one...
[22:15] <infinity> stgraber: Kay.
[22:15] <stgraber> just looked and it's on 4.2, so would need to check what else changed between that and that 4.3 we have everywhere else now
[22:15] <infinity> stgraber: Yeah, I wans't suggesting you had to, or even should, as just asking if I should look out for an upload.
[22:16] <infinity> Generally, I despise the "backport all the things" mentality that makes people want to make trusty and xenial be exact copies of bionic. :P
[22:16] <infinity> (THough, for utils like this that almost never change, I get it)
[22:17] <stgraber> yeah, I only really cared about the fscaps fix but the different numbering in patches bugged me so I just decided to check what else was missing and include that too, at which point, making debdiff cross-series be clean by reshuffling things a bit usually makes sense
[22:17] <stgraber> so trusty -> xenial looks like:
[22:17] <stgraber>  132 files changed, 28145 insertions(+), 21015 deletions(-)
[22:17] <stgraber> that doesn't look very pleasant, looks like upstream decided to reshuffle things a bit between 4.2 and 4.3
[22:18] <infinity> Yeah, pass on that, then.
[22:18] <infinity> Honestly, I'm happy for enough functionality lacking in old LTSes that it's easier for you guys stuck on the front lines of Mark-facing projects to just say "No" when suggested that you should backport all the things.
[22:19] <infinity> I'd much rather our users have incentive to upgrade long before an LTS goes EOL.
[22:20] <stgraber> well, in this case, the LXD snap is available on 14.04 and will include the new unsquashfs after the SRU has gone through, so that takes care of shiny new LXD on old trusty
[22:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: budgie-desktop [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180806.02.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: budgie-desktop [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180806.02.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: budgie-desktop [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180806.02.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[22:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: budgie-desktop [i386] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180806.02.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: budgie-desktop [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180806.02.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: budgie-desktop [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [10.4+git20180806.02.933f78fc03d-0ubuntu1] (personal-fossfreedom, ubuntu-budgie)
[23:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: console-setup (bionic-proposed/main) [1.178ubuntu2.4 => 1.178ubuntu2.5] (core)
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted console-setup [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.178ubuntu2.5]
[23:18] <wxl> exit
[23:18] <wxl> oooops
[23:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: console-setup (bionic-proposed/main) [1.178ubuntu2.5 => 1.178ubuntu2.6] (core)
[23:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted console-setup [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.178ubuntu2.6]


[07:39] <flexiondotorg> ogra_, https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org/blog/ubuntu-pi-flavours-for-raspberry-pi-3/
[07:40] <flexiondotorg> ogra_, I've had a busy weekend and can speak freely now. Any chance Pi 3 support can be added to 16.04?
[07:40] <flexiondotorg> ogra_, Perhaps even the first native arm64 implementation?
[08:01] <infinity> flexiondotorg: is the kernel support upstream?  If so, talk to me about it sometime.
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Mostly the existing linux-rpi2 kernel will work "I think".
[08:02] <infinity> flexiondotorg: But it's not a 32-bit CPU...
[08:02] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Although it will need modifying to support the new integrated wifi and bluetooth.
[08:03] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Yes, hence my question. I'm wondering about what is involved with that.
[08:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I suspect simply recompling the linux-rpi2 kernel on arm64 would result in a working kernel.
[08:04] <infinity> I'm doing some arm64 images shortly for the dragonboard anyway.  The infra will all be there.  But we'll need a kernel that boots (ideally, the generic kernel) to support the Pi3 as arm64.
[08:04] <infinity> flexiondotorg: "recompiling it on arm64" would still give you an armv7 kernel.
[08:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Oh. OK.
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> infinity, So what are the arm64 architecture build exactly?
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> Not ARMv8-A?
[08:05] <infinity> arm64 is ARMv8-A, yes.
[08:06] <infinity> But the raspi2 kernel is ARMv7.  Building it on a different userpsace doesn't change that.
[08:06] <infinity> Just like you can build an i386 kernel on amd64.
[08:06] <infinity> That said, it's possible that the rpi2 kernel boots on the pi3 in v7 mode, but that would be a terrible waste of hardware.
[08:07] <infinity> Anyhow, I have no Pi3 (nor Pi2, for that matter).  I maye have to pick one up and play.
[08:07] <infinity> I should also sleep...
[08:26]  * popey pokes flexiondotorg
[09:44] <ogra_> infinity, oh, really, you will be doing non snappy dragonboard images ? how do you solve the bootloader issues =
[09:44] <ogra_> ?
[09:49] <ogra_> (i imagine it gets pretty tricky to get that 8 partition GPT setup into d-i)
[10:11] <popey> ogra_: do we have a snappy image for Pi 3 yet? It's been out for 3 hours now.. chop chop! :)
[10:12] <popey> (I have two arriving tomorrow)
[10:15] <ogra_> i would have to order one :)
[10:16] <popey> apparently the pi2 images should work fine on it, but will miss the modules for wifi/bt
[10:16] <ogra_> popey, ah, thats a ppisati thing then, he just needs to enable that module in our pi2 kernel
[10:17] <ogra_> (not sure if the firmware is distributable etc, but thats definitely the first step)
[10:17]  * flexiondotorg pokes popey back
[10:18] <ogra_> so once you got your board, see if you can get one of our images to boot and ask ppisati what data he needs to knwo what module is missing (if it is some std. thing it might even be in, we compile a lot of extra modules)
[10:18] <flexiondotorg> ogra_, My understanding is the firmware is redistributable. The Raspberry Pi Foundation will be updating their various repositories today.
[10:18] <ogra_> flexiondotorg, right ... for a non-snappy image you want that packaged though
[10:19] <ogra_> (for a snappy image too, but there the archive isnt mandatory)
[10:28] <popey> ogra_: ok
[10:28] <flexiondotorg> Yes, The is a new firmware for the wifi/bt and another blob that patches that firmware. Sadly, I've not been able to get the blod to download, so not BT just yet :-(
[10:29] <flexiondotorg> By download, I mean via hciattach to the uart.
[10:29]  * flexiondotorg is of to rest.


[01:30] <CiPi> How to update to java <IP_ADDRESS> from repository ?
[02:57] <xubuntu038> валасымае валасы
[02:57] <GridCube> !ru | xubuntu038
[02:58] <Unit193> xubuntu038: Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join  #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.
[04:32] <asterismo> hi people i need help with something
[04:33] <asterismo> im using ubuntu 11.10 with XFCE
[04:34] <asterismo> and i do not have the network icon in thunar to see the network
[04:34] <asterismo> i have a home network
[04:41] <holstein> asterismo: samba you mean?
[04:41] <holstein> i have been using gigolo to connect to ssh shares and other things
[04:41] <holstein> i forget who suggested it... Unit193 ? maybe?
[04:41] <holstein> i like it anyways...
[04:42] <Unit193> Could have been, just remember to install gvfs-backends on new Xubuntu Oneiric install as it isn't in by default
[04:49] <asterismo> i installed ubuntu oneiric and then installed XFCE desktop
[04:49] <asterismo> and set XFCE by default
[04:50] <asterismo> but its wierd, because i have the "network" shortcut in 2 machines but not in another one
[04:50] <Unit193> That's not going to be the same as Xubuntu >_>
[04:52] <asterismo> anyway i want to set up my public share in my home network and i cannot acces any public of any ubuntu machine
[04:52] <asterismo> and i installed samba
[04:52] <holstein> i share via ssh these days
[04:53] <holstein> and i use http://www.swish-sftp.org/ when i need to have windows access a linux box like that
[04:54] <asterismo> Unit193 > gvfs-backends need to restart?
[04:55] <Unit193> Nope
[04:56] <asterismo> and what it does?
[04:56] <asterismo> i need to fix this
[04:57] <asterismo> i have no network icon in my left side icon shortcut in thunar
[04:57] <asterismo> and i do have that icon in my laptop
[04:57] <holstein> i use gigolo
[04:57] <holstein> asterismo: is that XFCE ?
[04:57] <Unit193> Allows you to use gigolo more easily
[04:58] <asterismo> holstein > is a desktop environment
[04:58] <holstein> asterismo: the machine that is 'working', is that XFCE? xubuntu?
[04:59] <asterismo> ubuntu + XFCE
[04:59] <asterismo> and xfdesktop
[04:59] <asterismo> xfwm4
[05:00] <asterismo> almost xubuntu
[05:00] <asterismo> ;)
[05:00] <holstein> im not sure what you are looking for
[05:00] <asterismo> in thunar
[05:00] <asterismo> the file manager
[05:00] <holstein> but, if you want to browse, and connect to a samba share, id try gigolo
[05:01] <asterismo> there is network icon
[05:01] <asterismo> just like nautilus
[05:01] <holstein> ok
[05:01] <asterismo> but there is missing in one of my machines
[05:01] <holstein> mabye tis a plugin or something you didnt pull in
[05:01] <Unit193> Are you looking for xfce4-places-plugin ?
[05:01] <holstein> that sounds like it ^^
[05:01] <Unit193> (Ubuntu + Xfce != Xubuntu)
[05:01] <n2diy> Do Ubuntu FIrefox version numbers correspond with Firefox's version numbers? I'm running version 3.6.24 here on Xubuntu 10.10, and a webmaster is telling me the latest version is 8.x
[05:02] <holstein> its not that far off though n2diy
[05:02] <holstein> they've been moving fast
[05:02] <Unit193> Ubuntu Firefox is the same as normal Firefox versions
[05:03] <holstein> you can try https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[05:03] <asterismo> Unit193 > do you use xfce?
[05:03] <Unit193> Xubuntu uses Xfce, so yes I do
[05:03] <holstein> asterismo: did you try that plugin?
[05:03] <holstein> the places plugin?
[05:04] <asterismo> i installed but maybe i need to restart
[05:04] <asterismo> Unit193 > go to XFCE menu > Settings > Desktop
[05:04] <asterismo> icons tab
[05:04] <asterismo> i have no network icon there, only file system, and stuff
[05:05] <asterismo> maybe the plugin i need to re login
[05:05] <holstein> its in thunar
[05:05] <holstein> the 'network' icon
[05:06] <n2diy> Ok, maybe I'm running 10.04 here, but it is Firefox 3.6.24. I'm playing with an interactive Python tutorial at www.learnpython.org, and it isn't working for me here, with Firefox or Xonquer. The webmaster is suggesting I upgrade to Firefox 8.x. Seems to me, he should be supporting as many browsers as possible?
[05:06] <asterismo> yes
[05:06] <holstein> n2diy: you can add that PPA i linked
[05:06] <asterismo> in thunar and in the desktop as well
[05:06] <asterismo> so
[05:06] <holstein> n2diy: you can read there.. 'its aimed at lucid....'
[05:06] <asterismo> i cannot acces to network folders
[05:07] <holstein> asterismo: im not sure what you have or dont have, but gigolo is quite nice
[05:07] <n2diy> holstein, I'll take a look, thanks.
[05:08] <asterismo> holstein > in thunar file manager > "Go" menu
[05:08] <asterismo> and there should be "network" in there
[05:08] <holstein> asterismo: sure.. but i have it ;)
[05:08] <asterismo> you have thunar?
[05:08] <holstein> yes
[05:08] <w30> What's that cabbage the Chinese bury in the ground for about a week?
[05:08] <asterismo> so i have to reinstall thunar?
[05:08] <holstein> i have thunar, running in xubuntu, in XFCE
[05:08] <asterismo> bump
[05:09] <holstein> asterismo: i have no idea
[05:09] <holstein> i think theres a plugin you dont have
[05:09] <holstein> i thought the 'places' one sounded promising
[05:09] <asterismo> but which one
[05:09] <asterismo> there are few thunar-options in apt-get
[05:10] <holstein> apt-cache search thunar turns up a few
[05:10] <holstein> see if you have those installed
[05:11] <asterismo> installing everything
[05:11] <asterismo> ;)
[05:12] <holstein> sure, as long as you dont blame me ;)
[05:12] <asterismo> i'm a gnome refugee
[05:12] <holstein> yeah, me too
[05:12] <asterismo> won't complain
[05:12] <asterismo> xfce its been good so far
[05:12] <holstein> and since i found gigolo, i havent bothered with anything else
[05:12] <asterismo> but there are this minor details
[05:13] <asterismo> how do i set up a public folder in it?
[05:13] <holstein> asterismo: i use ssh
[05:13] <Unit193> I'd recommend you install Xubuntu as it will be easier for you to use, and easier for others to help you
[05:13] <asterismo> i have my home wireless network and laptop, desktop
[05:13] <holstein> i dont do samba anymore
[05:13] <holstein> you set up samba shares just like before though
[05:32] <n2diy> holstein, is upgrading Firefox with Launchpad going to confuse my package/upgrade manager?
[05:33] <Unit193> Not at all, just remember to reload the package list
[05:34] <n2diy> ok
[06:46] <dirtycookie> hi, i installed gedit onto my xubuntu OS and wanted to know how to change the font of my embedded terminal. Here is a pix of what I mean. http://picpaste.com/-0DE32bmV.png
[06:59] <dirtycookie> hi, i installed gedit onto my xubuntu OS and wanted to know how to change the font of my embedded terminal. Here is a pix of what I mean. http://picpaste.com/-0DE32bmV.png
[06:59] <Sysi> repeating doesn't help
[07:00] <Sysi> gedit is defalult in ubuntu. not xubuntu, you probably have better luck in #ubuntu
[07:01] <dirtycookie> Sysi: true, i thought that it could be some settin in the os itself
[07:01] <dirtycookie> that is y
[07:02] <dirtycookie> and i couldnt know if someone is actually there since there is low activity
[07:05] <Sysi> then you should just be patient
[07:11] <dirtycookie> i will
[07:44] <vancevep> hello? i've never used IRC, so excuse my noobness
[07:45] <vancevep> i have a question about the sound settings
[07:52] <dirtycookie> vancevep: lets hear your question
[07:53] <vancevep> for some reason, i have to crank the volume on both my desktop and laptop just to hear videos very well
[07:53] <vancevep> I've checked the volume control within the video and they are turned up
[07:55] <vancevep> with Ubuntu, I didn't need to turn the volume up so high, but Xubuntu is a whole different story
[08:25] <Ascavasaion> Morning.  Can someone recommend me a lightweight music programme like Rhythmbox for my old AMD Duron machine?
[10:25] <incorrect> does anyone know how to get the config options back in vinagre?
[10:57] <bigbrovar> anyone able to get bluetooth headset work with xubuntu 11.10
[11:10] <bigbrovar> my issue with blueman on xubuntu 11.10 concerning connecting to headset is related to this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/892318
[12:06] <ablomen> bigbrovar, not sure it helps but did you try checking "Advanced audio receiver" in the local services window?
[12:06] <ablomen> (click on the blueman icon in your system tray, then click local services)
[12:06] <ablomen> ehm right click on the blueman icon that is
[12:07] <ablomen> oh and in plugins there seems to be  a pulseaudio plugin, if you havnt tried that it might be worth checking out
[12:09] <RoadsterGT> locate blacklist
[12:09] <RoadsterGT> ehm
[12:09] <RoadsterGT> how can i deactivate and blacklist the OSS module?
[12:26] <xubuntu813> hello there
[12:26] <xubuntu813> I just want to know couple of things
[13:14] <bigbrovar> ablomen, I did try that, when I try to enable the pulseaudio plugin I get this http://pastebin.com/QVJLAtUP
[13:14] <bigbrovar> seems to be   a blueman bug
[13:16] <ablomen> lol i see the problem
[13:16] <ablomen> or a problem anyway
[13:17] <bigbrovar> yeah a bug has been filed on the issue
[13:17] <ablomen> the plugin just checks if the third number (15 in 0.9.15) is bigger or equal to 15, but it is now version 1.0.0..
[13:17] <ablomen> so its just bad coding
[13:18] <ablomen> if your up for it, you could try commenting a few lines of code, but ofc this is at your own risk etc
[13:29] <bigbrovar> ablomen, yeah I think so, too. would let u know how it goes thanks
[13:35] <kraut> if i want to defince a shortcut for XF86AudioPrev, which command do i need for it?
[13:36] <babble> kraut: I dunno if there's an easy way to do it systemwide in Xubuntu, but I enabled editable accelerators and assigned next and prev. track in banshee if that works
[13:37] <kraut> hmm, ok
[13:37] <kraut> from my understanding i just need to define the global xfce commands for such things but can't find any list for that
[13:37] <babble> (it does require switching to your media player, of course, so that may not be ideal)
[13:38] <babble> I don't know for sure that there is a list for it as a system event a la gnome
[13:39] <kraut> my understanding comes from gnome, maybe xfce differs in that point
[13:42] <babble> yeah, I went hunting for a global media-key event sort of like the gnome keyboard shortcuts control when I switched, too :)
[13:43] <babble> I don't think it's in Xfce, but don't quote me
[13:45] <kraut> no prob
[13:45] <kraut> i do this know with the rhythmbox tools
[13:45] <kraut> since gnome3 i don't care about gnome anymore
[13:46] <babble> I keep trying to get into either Unity or Gnome 3
[13:46] <babble> I lived in Unity for 11.04, but I'm happy I switched to Xubuntu for 11.10
[13:47] <kraut> i hated unity from the beginning ;)
[13:47] <babble> hehe.
[13:47] <babble> Apple's doing some of the same stuff to my OS X, too, sigh.
[13:54] <Sysi> media keys usually work if you set gnome-services to be launched at startup
[13:55] <babble> oooh, I hadn't thought about that :)
[13:55] <babble> how much of gnome do I need to install along with?
[13:56] <Sysi> I think most of it is there already
[13:56] <babble> hm, lemme go play. (cool beans!) :)
[14:31] <kora-chan> Hey guys, I'm using xubuntu 11.10 and was wondering if theres any way to completely turn off the touchpad, since I have a trackpoint, that I mainly use.
[14:38] <kraut> hrrrrm, how is this volume applet called, if i want to start it by hand?
[14:53] <Sysi> kora-chan: synclient TouchpadOff=1
[14:54] <kora-chan> Sysi: thanks, worked perfectly
[14:56] <Sysi> you can put that to settings -> sessions and startup -> autostart
[14:57] <Sysi> 0 instead of 1 enables touchpad, you could set hotkeys for that too
[14:57] <Sysi> (theme might be toggle too)
[14:59] <puff> I use my laptop by itself at home and at work I plug it into a large monitor.  Every day I have to bring up Applications/Settings/Settings Manager/Display and click "use this monitor" to get video out to start working.  Is there a shortcut key combo, or a way to make a shortcut icon, to do this?
[15:00] <kora-chan> Sysi: hm true, i could map it to my fn keys, where it belongs anyway, but i think i'll just add it to the startup since this touchpad is too small to use anyway ;)
[15:01] <puff> When I restart firefox (xubuntu 11.10 oneiric) it comes up with all of the firefox windows in background in the same virtual desktop.     Every time I drag one, I go back to that window and I'm looking at the wallpaper.  I have to alt-tab to make the next firefox window visible so I can drag it around. Is there a way to bring them all to foreground
[15:01] <puff> at once?
[15:02] <Sysi> puff: you could maybe get them to open straight to right desktop with devilspie
[15:03] <Sysi> puff: you can export script with arandr and put that to hotkey or panel launcher
[15:03] <Sysi> latter for display
[15:05] <puff> arandr?
[15:05]  * puff googles.
[15:05] <puff> Sysi: thanks.
[15:06] <Sysi> !info arandr
[15:21] <Lantizia> Lo, does anyone know a menu editor other than Alacarte that won't depend on 225mb of extra gnome stuff?
[15:23] <Sysi> apt-get install --no-install-recommends alacarte
[15:28] <Lantizia> Sysi, course :P thanks - damn that much depends on it!
[15:28] <Lantizia> or rather is recommended by it
[15:29] <Lantizia> rather impressed by the way with xubuntu 11.10 - last time I tried xubuntu i think it was 6.06
[15:29] <Lantizia> must have loads of unity/gnome3 haters coming your way :P
[15:30]  * puff raises his hand.
[15:30] <puff> Recent convert... not so much hating but when I jumped from 10.4 to 11.10 and saw the dramatic drop in performance, well...
[15:30] <Lantizia> been using lxde for a while - but it's very incomplete in parts... however at least pcmanfm has tabs, thunar doesn't by looks of it
[15:33] <Sysi> I hate tabs on filemanager
[15:34] <Lantizia> Sysi, right but it wouldn't get in your way if it had the feature - you just wouldn't open a tab
[15:38] <Sysi> it would because I couldn't open folders to new windiows sith middleclick
[15:39] <Lantizia> Sysi, so you'd expect the middle click would become new tab - a default option that could be changed back
[15:48] <urthmover> what is the default pdf reader recommended for xfce?
[15:48] <urthmover> evince is heavy I fear
[15:48] <urthmover> llpp?
[15:48] <Lantizia> urthmover, i'm on xubuntu 11.10 and it comes with evince
[15:48] <urthmover> ok Lantizia
[15:50] <urthmover> I'm gonna try epdfview
[15:51] <urthmover> 4MB vs 40MB
[15:51] <urthmover> we'll see if it looks alright
[15:53] <urthmover> awesome epdfview is perfect
[15:53] <urthmover> thanks for speaking up Lantizia
[15:58] <The_Loko> Hi all, I need help with sharing folders with samba. I have shared a folder in my network, but when i try to open it from other computer, it need a password and user, Where can I disable it??
[16:01] <ergj-> does anyone know a wireless usd adapter that would work out of the box with wpa personal also being able to work?
[16:06] <CiPi> Yes.
[16:07] <CiPi> Is TP-LINK TL-WN422G
[16:07] <CiPi> By Atheros.
[16:07] <ergj-> k
[16:07] <ergj-> thank you
[16:07] <CiPi> Is not expensive also...
[16:07] <CiPi> U r welcome.
[16:08] <ergj-> i just cant ffind one that will work with wpa under linux
[16:08] <ergj-> ive been having hell with it
[16:08] <ergj-> thank you thank you
[16:08] <CiPi> You may have problem with the Network manager...
[16:08] <CiPi> That may also be an issue...
[16:08] <ergj-> im sure i dont lol
[16:09] <CiPi> Than your router may have ASCII instead of HEX password in WPA.
[16:10] <ergj-> its aeu
[16:10] <ergj-> wpa 2 personal
[16:10] <ergj-> aes i mean
[16:10] <ergj-> typo
[16:10] <The_Loko> I have solved my network prolemas, other question is how can I run a .jar file if it doesn't have the option of make it executable? D:
[16:12] <CiPi> java -jar filename.jar
[16:12] <CiPi> Try that...
[16:16] <The_Loko> it works :D, thanks
[16:16] <CiPi> U r welcome 2.
[16:16] <CiPi> :)
[16:17] <The_Loko> i have to run it with this always?
[16:18] <CiPi> You can link to it...
[16:19] <CiPi> ln -s <file your want to link> <file you want to link to>
[16:22] <The_Loko> or a "shortcut" in menu with that
[16:23] <CiPi> A launcher.
[16:23] <CiPi> Leftclink on desktop - Create launcher...
[16:24] <CiPi> command java -jar
[16:24] <CiPi> working directory /dir/yourfile.jar
[16:26] <The_Loko> ok
[16:29] <CiPi> Is an official from Xubuntu arround here?
[16:40] <Sysi> CiPi: how "official" and for what matter?
[16:40] <Sysi> Lantizia: I think I can't configure it on nautilus or dolphin, I think pcmanfm still uss HAL
[17:01] <Houly> Hello
[17:33] <AlexLove> hi 2 all
[17:34] <AlexLove> heed help(
[17:35] <AlexLove> mkisofs -D -r -V «$IMAGE_NAME» -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o ../myubuntu-10.04.iso             <-I correctly entered? or bug
[17:57] <incorrect> where have all the options that  vinagre used to have gone?
[17:58] <incorrect> i know the ubuntu team thing removing all the features is a good idea, but it is really irritating when you can't set the remote desktop resolution
[17:58] <holstein> could have been upstream
[17:58] <holstein> im not missing anything...
[17:58] <incorrect> weird
[17:59] <holstein> vinagre --geometry ??
[18:00] <incorrect> you used to be able to set it in the ui, not from the cli
[18:01] <holstein> i dont recall that
[18:02] <holstein> but, i ran the LTS til this cycle mostly, so i could have missed something in 10.10 or 11.04
[18:21] <incorrect> it was 11.10 that vinagre changed from a v2 to a v3
[19:56] <Benkinooby> what's the difference between xubuntu and xfce login?
[19:57] <TheSheep> Benkinooby: the layout of panels at the first login
[19:58] <TheSheep> Benkinooby: xfce one will use the xfce defaults, xubuntu will use defaults that are more similar to ubuntu
[20:22] <Benkinooby> would there be a differnec in result when isntalling xubuntu or using ubuntu minimal and the istlal xubuntu-desktop?
[20:23] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: probably not much difference
[20:33] <Benkinooby> contains xubuntu the ubuntu sftware center too?
[20:33] <Benkinooby> and this ubuntu one stuff?
[20:35] <baizon> Benkinooby: yes
[20:37] <Benkinooby> baizon, so if i don't want it i'd have to go for ubuntu minimal and then isntall xubunut-desktop?
[20:40] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: maybe install xfce not the xubuntu-desktop meta package
[20:44] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, the packages list says it xubuntu-desktop relies on software center
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: you want the software center?
[20:45] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, no
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: then you'll need to use something other then xubuntu-desktop
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> like install xfce + apps you want
[20:46] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, yep... that's what i'll do
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[20:46] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, but i will start from the ubuntu minimal cd
[20:47] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: I do that
[20:47] <Benkinooby> :)
[20:47] <well_laid_lawn> it's a good learning experience
[20:47] <Benkinooby> on this system i use ubuntu minimal and fluxbox
[20:48] <Benkinooby> but i hope that xfce will bring most auto-things (liek auto mount, power management,...) so that i don'T have to add them manually like i had to with fluxbox
[20:49] <well_laid_lawn> it should set things up right as it is a desktop environment
[20:49] <well_laid_lawn> fluxbox is just a window manager
[20:49] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, yep... hm, no "make startup disk" doesn'T like minimal iso :(
[20:50] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: what doesn't like it?
[20:50] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, i con't choose it as iso in the disk creator
[20:51] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: checked the iso?
[20:51] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[20:52] <Benkinooby> md5 is ok
[20:53] <Benkinooby> well_laid_lawn, if i want to add it to the isos it won't go
[20:53] <xubuntu551> Hi I have a question
[20:54] <well_laid_lawn> Benkinooby: maybe the iso isn't ok - check it first
[20:54] <well_laid_lawn> !hi | xubuntu551
[20:55] <xubuntu551> I am currently installing xubuntu as we speak but I am curious, I am installing on a different system then the one I want to run it on because the dvd drive wasnt working on the computer this is meant for
[20:55] <xubuntu551> is it like windows where you can't swap it around between computers??
[20:58] <nikolam> bah, how to disable this awfull nautilus, grabbing desktop from xfdesktop in LTS ?
[20:58] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu551: you can swap the hdd's ok
[20:59] <well_laid_lawn> nikolam: use  nautilus --no-desktop
[21:00] <nikolam> I guess I would need to make script doing that instead of /usr/bin/nautilus ?
[21:00] <nikolam> since i do not even start it, it is there by himself started
[21:00] <well_laid_lawn> probably is in a saved session
[21:01] <well_laid_lawn> use   exo-preferred-applications   to set up nautilus --no-desktop
[21:01] <nikolam> I see it in "session and startup" in xfce settings
[21:01] <well_laid_lawn> remove it from there then
[21:02] <nikolam> I wish I could. It seems non-editable
[21:04] <nikolam> but pstree is saying xfce4-session is starting it. So yes, seems I need to configure some xfce file or logout without remembering session...
[21:08] <well_laid_lawn> nikolam: I think you'll have to remove it from sessions and startup
[21:08] <well_laid_lawn> try the settings editor
[21:10]  * nikolam would like to understand what in its startup invokes nautilus in first place.
[21:13] <well_laid_lawn> at a guess it could be the ubuntu login manager
[21:28] <Benkinooby> hi, is there a way to see the full window content instead of the windows borders only when alt-tabbing. i'd need it to differentiate differente windows of the same program
[21:33] <Sysi> Benkinooby: with default window manager, no
[21:33] <Benkinooby> :(
[21:35] <nikolam> I also have multiple (say 7 xfdesktop processes running, too :)
[21:36] <nikolam> I can kill them one by one with kill -9 pid but it seems they accumulate somehow. Maybe because I used to get xfce desktop instead of gnome, by kill xfdesktop to restart it.
[21:41] <nikolam> I fixed nautilus starting, by turning ON "Display chooser on login" under General>Session Chooser in Session and startup Xfce settings.
[21:41] <nikolam> And I made/named new session and now nautilus is gone :D
[21:42] <osteocephalic> Question:  Is it possible to upgrade from a broken 9.04 to 11.10 using the 11.10 cd?
[21:43] <nikolam> After that I turned it off, saved session on logout and on next loging, in, .. it behaves :)
[21:47] <osteocephalic> hmm.
[22:53] <seanmc98> hello, Does compiz work on the xde interface?
[22:53] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[22:53] <well_laid_lawn> !compiz
[22:54] <seanmc98> hmmmm, its not working for e :-/
[22:54] <seanmc98> me*
[23:13] <seanmc98> hello, i have compiz installed on xubuntu and i cant get the desktop cube to work, any ideas?
[23:13] <TheSheep> !compiz | seanmc98
[23:13] <seanmc98> everything else works but the desktop cube though
[23:13] <seanmc98> just didnt know if there was someone in here willing to help
[23:14] <TheSheep> we generally don't know much about compiz, try at #compiz
[23:14] <seanmc98> ok thanks TheSheep
[23:18] <echoJONES> was just wondering: are there supposed to be up/down arrows for the scroll bars in 11.10?  i don't seem to have any
[23:23] <seanmc98> hey i have a issue with my workspaces. it says i have 4 but when i try to move to them it is really only 2. any ideas?
[23:25] <echoJONES> are you using ctl+alt left/right?
[23:25] <TheSheep> he's using compiz, not xubuntu
[23:25] <seanmc98> no compiz is disabled
[23:25] <seanmc98> for now
[23:26] <echoJONES> do you have 2 rows of workspaces?
[23:26] <echoJONES> you may need to use ct+alt+up/down
[23:26] <echoJONES> to reach the other rows
[23:27] <seanmc98> i have four boxes up top but only allows me to use 2 of them, if i put the window at the botom left or right that fills up the boxes on the workspace switcher
[23:28] <seanmc98> nevermond
[23:28] <seanmc98> looks like it was a compiz issue, odd though why compiz will only allow mw 2 workspaces
[23:37] <dvance> afternoon ladies and gentlemen
[23:37] <GridCube> :)
[23:38] <dvance> I was curious if anyone knew how or if it is even possible to configure lightdm to prompt for the username to be typed in
[23:38] <dvance> as opposed to listing them and having you click on them
[23:51] <dvance> found it
[23:51] <dvance> greeter-hide-users=true
[23:56] <Paimun> dvance do I need to restart lightdm to apply that change?
[23:56] <dvance> I tested it via a full boot
[23:56] <dvance> but I would imagein so
[23:58] <Paimun> alright
[23:58] <Paimun> xubuntu is acting funny for me lately, every time I reboot it just sits at the xubuntu screen and I have to TTY and start lightdm manually
[23:59] <dvance> update-rc.d lightdm defaults perhaps?


[16:55] <erik_> hi , i found  bug, i need report it
[16:56] <wxl> erik_: that process is well-documented online. do you need help with it?
[16:56] <erik_> ok, where i post it ?
[16:57] <wxl> erik_: you should be able to run `update-bug <package>` in a terminal, where <package> refers to a package where the bug exists, such as firefox
[16:57] <wxl> it will collect all the necessary information and submit the bug report to launchpad, then open a browser window so you can finish the report
[16:57] <erik_> i need to create a package ?
[16:57] <wxl> do you have a launchpad account?
[16:58] <erik_> yes...
[16:58] <wxl> erik_: no, you need to refer to the package where the bug exists.
[16:58] <erik_> i dont know witch package it refer.
[16:58] <erik_> i am not a developer...
[16:58] <wxl> where is the bug? in what?
[16:58] <wxl> you don't have to be a developer to know this
[16:58] <erik_> on keyboard setup
[16:58] <wxl> explain
[17:00] <erik_> ok... i install ubuntu, on my language,so this setup to my keyboard PT (portuguese brasil). That will able me to use the abnt2 keyboard that is the default on my country.
[17:00] <erik_> one first moment the keyboard is ok. but after turn off the keyboard lost the setup
[17:01] <wxl> what version of the OS?
[17:02] <erik_> the keyboard notification show that still pt (portuguese brasil - abnt2) but action is like the english keyboard
[17:02] <erik_> ubuntu 14.04 LTS (updated )
[17:02] <wxl> ok so that's good
[17:02] <erik_> corious, that...
[17:03] <erik_> after i include another leanguage and remove , that does work
[17:03] <wxl> does running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard configuration && sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup` fix things?
[17:03] <erik_> but i need to do this all time i turn on my ubuntu
[17:03] <wxl> OOPS
[17:03] <wxl> keyboard-configuration i mean
[17:05] <erik_> i open it now,
[17:05] <erik_> what do you want to do ?
[17:05] <wxl> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration && sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[17:05] <erik_> rightm, is on screen
[17:06] <erik_> is marked on "pc (intl) generic 105 keys"
[17:06] <wxl> what i'm saying is run that and reboot and see if it fixes it
[17:08] <erik_> let me test
[17:08] <erik_> i will restart and test if this bug persist...
[17:16] <erik_> hi
[17:16] <erik_> i come back
[17:17] <erik_> the keyboard apear fine now
[17:18] <erik_> the keyboard seems fine now
[17:18] <erik_> wxl: why this is happening ? i need to use this comand always when i install on a new machine ?
[17:19] <wxl> erik_: so if you want you can file a bug agaist keyboard-configuration
[17:19] <wxl> it MAY be a bug against ubiquity (the installer) but that would be a good place to start
[17:19] <erik_> yes, i would like to do it, but i need help to do it
[17:21] <wxl> erik_: in terminal `ubuntu-bug keyboard-configuration`. it will walk you through the whole process
[17:22] <erik_> i need write this on term ?!
[17:22] <erik_> ubuntu-bug keyboard-configuration
[17:23] <wxl> yes erik_
[17:24] <erik_> what i can write to more explain ?!
[17:25] <wxl> erik_: exactly what you already told me
[17:25] <erik_> this bug report, show smething like a  "log" of something i did last hours ?
[17:25] <wxl> it collects relevant information
[17:27] <erik_> can you "copy and past" our chat ? because i turn off and lost what i talk to you...
[17:28] <erik_> "like a pastbin"
[17:29] <wxl> erik_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10598308/
[17:30] <wxl> erik_: do NOT link that to the bug report. copy and paste it. ubuntu pastes disappear over time.
[17:30] <wxl> erik_: also developers/triagers don't have time to sort through a bunch of stuff.  etc ;)
[17:31] <erik_> right
[17:47] <erik_> wxl
[17:47] <erik_> take a look
[17:47] <erik_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/1432208
[17:47] <erik_> right !?
[17:53] <wxl> erik_: should work, thanks!
[17:53] <wxl> for more info on bug reporting:
[17:53] <wxl> !bugs | erik_
[17:54] <wxl> …unless explicitly requested
[17:54] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[18:30] <erik_> thanks
[18:30] <erik_> and i would like to post a "feature request"
[18:31] <erik_> but that could wait...


[00:14] <guiverc> thanks tomreyn, #ubuntu-ops never occurred to me at the time.. hopefully will remember next time :)
[00:15] <tomreyn> guiverc: thank you.


[15:17] <quadrispro> hi all
[15:17] <falktx> hi
[15:19] <quadrispro> falktx, http://bugs.debian.org/593985, http://bugs.debian.org/594075, http://bugs.debian.org/594041
[15:19] <quadrispro> falktx, NASPRO is pending
[15:20] <falktx> quadrispro: cool
[15:20] <falktx> quadrispro: did you got it working ?
[15:20] <falktx> eheh, I package it for my ppa without really knowing how to make it work...
[15:21] <quadrispro> yep
[15:21] <quadrispro> it's really cool
[15:21] <quadrispro> I touched upstream, too
[15:21] <quadrispro> he's italian
[15:21] <falktx> quadrispro: it bridges dssi-lv2 or what?
[15:22] <quadrispro> no, yes it does too
[15:22] <quadrispro> naspro-bridges-bad
[15:24] <falktx> quadrispro: did they make any tutorial/explanation/doc on how to make it work ?
[15:24] <quadrispro> regarding bridges I can't find anything at the moment
[15:24] <quadrispro> but naspro-core provides a bunch of interesting examples
[15:24] <falktx> that's the problem...
[15:25] <quadrispro> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/naspro-core.git
[15:25] <falktx> the code is there, we just don't know how to use it
[15:28] <quadrispro> naspro-core gives some good stuff
[15:29] <falktx> I never coded a plugin
[17:57] <scott-work> it looks like gnome-network-admin has a fix to allow configuration of connections :)
[17:58] <falktx> scott-work: will you use it or change to nm-applet ?
[17:59] <scott-work> falktx: probably stay with gnome-admin since it uses less resources
[17:59] <falktx> scott-work: oh, ok
[18:00] <scott-work> falktx: do you think we should swtich to nm-applet?
[18:00] <falktx> scott-work: not sure... depends on who will use it
[18:00] <falktx> scott-work: i think the dvd should at least contain it, for those who will prefer to install it
[18:01] <scott-work> falktx: it still does contain nm-applet and network-manager as well
[18:02] <falktx> scott-work: ok, that's cool