[05:13] <Arnia> PacoBCN: The volume manager works using HAL across DBUS
[05:13] <PacoBCN> Arnia, and what's the reason why it doesn't show at the beginning?
[05:13] <Arnia> PacoBCN: Is HAL being loaded after DBUS?
[05:14] <black_nightmare> whats 'pseudo filesystems' anyhow?
[05:14] <Arnia> Misunderstood what you were saying before. Sorry
[05:14] <PacoBCN> Arnia, I don't have a clue
[05:14] <black_nightmare> oh and if I delete a line from 'partition types' that would just mean it can't set up a partition in that particular filetype anymore....right?
[05:15] <PacoBCN> I just wanted my drives to be shown in gnome when I boot
[05:15] <dex1> Pfft. I rebooted having installed the linux-headers, ready to re-run the vmware tools installer and now when it starts it loads to the gnome login screen. It ignores ctrl-alt-f1. and ctrl-alt-backspace takes me to a login prompt for a moment but then it exists back to the greeter login (it's chosen a different one now). aah!
[05:15] <dex1> how can i exit?
[05:15] <^thehatsrule^> change the runlevel to 2?
[05:15] <black_nightmare> anyone? :-)
[05:16] <^thehatsrule^> i dont get what youre saying black_nightmare :/
[05:16] <black_nightmare> sorry...I think I better go to bed and ask again tomorrow
[05:16] <black_nightmare> a bit tired now here
[05:16] <Flonne> black_nightmare, it means it can't handle it at all.
[05:16] <sal002> woah...upgraded to waory and GDN is wavy
[05:16] <black_nightmare> thanks for the bit of help at start anyhow
[05:17] <black_nightmare> flonne..ok ty...there's many that I wouldn't even need.. especially amiga partitions?? rofl
[05:17] <black_nightmare> bye now :p
[05:17] <robertj> dex1: kill it 6 times in a minute and it won't restart
[05:17] <^thehatsrule^> holy crap... you must have a lot of partitions...
[05:17] <Flonne> ^thehatsrule^, the Linux kernel supports a lot of stuff.
[05:18] <^thehatsrule^> hehe :P
[05:18] <saik0> yay for macrokernels? =\
[05:18] <Flonne> Monolithic kernel design is love.
[05:19] <^thehatsrule^> monolith.... nice game engine ;p
[05:19] <sal002> How do you configure Xorg fromt eh command line? Xorg -configure says "Missing output drivers.  Configuration failed"
[05:19] <saik0> hey, building gimp 2.2.4 from source requires GTK+ 2.2.4. Is this avialaible from the repoos or am I gonna have to buld that from source or maybe find a deb?
[05:20] <^thehatsrule^> gtk has binaries i believe
[05:20] <sal002> Is the vesa driver broken in Xorg?
[05:20] <saik0> sal002, u mean edit the xorg.conf?
[05:21] <sal002> Yes...generate it again...since it is clearly broken
[05:21] <camargo> saik0, gtk-dev 2.6.4 is on the repoos
[05:22] <sal002> apt-get configure xorg-server?
[05:22] <saik0> camargo, danke was looking for the wrong package
[05:24] <sal002> Is there a way to reconfigure a previously installed package?
[05:24] <Flonne> dpkg-reconfigure, sal002.
[05:24] <kpeterson> On hoary, when I download things and "save to disk" using firefox, they do not show up until I restart gnome.  Has anyone else experienced this problem?
[05:25] <Homie> hey can someone help me with setting up my sound card
[05:25] <Homie> it didnt detect it
[05:25] <Flonne> What type of card, Homie?
[05:25] <sal002> Thanks!
[05:25] <Homie> sound blaster
[05:25] <Homie> or a cmi 8330
[05:25] <Homie> there is 2
[05:25] <Homie> lol
[05:25] <Homie> one is built in
[05:25] <Homie> and i have another one added
[05:26] <saik0> looks like alsa is outputting to the onboard sound by default
[05:26] <Flonne> Do you get any results when you run `cat /proc/asound/cards`?
[05:26] <Homie> havent done anything
[05:26] <Homie> i jsut got linux like a few days ago
[05:26] <Homie> jsut learning how to do shit
[05:26] <Flonne> Ah.
[05:27] <Flonne> As saik0 suggested, try changing the card to which your speakers are connected.
[05:27] <Homie> hey
[05:27] <Flonne> If that works, you can fix it easily.
[05:27] <Homie> there is something in my device manager
[05:27] <Homie> but how do i enable it
[05:27] <Homie> ?
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> ok, hoary is officially cool
[05:28] <Dreamer3_> and i'm officially hungry
[05:28] <saik0> hungry hungry hedgehogs?
[05:28] <jsgotangco> hhehe
[05:28] <Arnia> Do you have form HTR3-7 to verify your state of hunger?
[05:29] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: no, can you fax it to me? *laughs*
[05:29] <DocUb> lol
[05:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:29] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[05:29] <Dreamer3_> man, i don't know were else to look for cool stuff in hoary though
[05:29] <Jamminpotato> randabis, fixdisk didnt work
[05:29] <DocUb> Synaptic
[05:29] <Homie> flonne: it says ensoniq audio pci
[05:29] <jsgotangco> just look at synaptic
[05:29] <Jamminpotato> neither did a repair install
[05:29] <DocUb> apt-get
[05:29] <Homie> when i do that command
[05:29] <Arnia> If not, please fill out form HTR3-1 in triplicate and signed by a high-court barrister
[05:29] <jsgotangco> youll see the stuff that might interest you
[05:30] <jsgotangco> or just apt-cache search blah
[05:30] <PacoBCN> Guys, one question. I found the script to link xine through moxplugger to firefox (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17727&page=3&pp=10) but when I try to run it I find an error in first line (syntax error near unexpected token `[,] '). Can you hel me?
[05:30] <DocUb> yea
[05:30] <Flonne> Okay, Homie, so what if you plug your speakers into the other card?
[05:30] <Homie> shit i gotta go
[05:30] <Homie> nothing
[05:30] <Homie> i get nothing
[05:30] <Arnia> Send it to the Home Office and they'll send your HTR3-6 which can be exchanged for HTR3-7 at the post office on Tuesdays when its raining
[05:30] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: you busy?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i find useless stuff in the repos but are fun nonetheless
[05:30] <johtrsamp\> hay how come ubuntu doesn't have things such as sshd by default?
[05:31] <Homie> but what do i have to install ?
[05:31] <Flonne> Homie, how are you testing them?
[05:31] <Dreamer3_> johtrsamp\: because it's a "Secure by default" install... just apt-get install sshd
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hi Flonne
[05:31] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: do you use lots of GTk1 apps?
[05:31] <Flonne> johtrsamp\, a lot of people have no idea what SSH is. :(
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> i tried to boot winXP after installing ubuntu yester aday and ubuntu works fine...but when i try to run xp through grub it says NTLDR missing
[05:31] <johtrsamp\> Dreamer3_, it says there is no sshd, is that because I have a bad mirror?
[05:31] <Flonne> Hi, jsgotangco.
[05:31] <Homie> when i open volume control
[05:31] <Homie> it says
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> and i tryed running repair console with the command fixdisk
[05:31] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: nah, but thinking of putting together a nice custom DSL cd, and i'd want it to look good :)
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> it didnt work
[05:31] <Jamminpotato> then i did a reapir install it didnt work
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> johtrsamp\: apt-cache search ssh
[05:32] <jsgotangco> your xp is borked
[05:32] <Homie> no mixer elements or devices found
[05:32] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Ah
[05:32] <Jamminpotato> jsgotangco, any way to fix it
[05:32] <^thehatsrule^> XP recovery console!
[05:32] <sal002> woah...opening terminal in hoary crashed my system
[05:32] <johtrsamp\> ic Flonne ,  so I suppose ubuntu is aimed at the less linux expearenced crowd
[05:32] <drbombay43> yellow all , just installed hoary cant get sound audigy2? please help
[05:32] <Homie> flonne: what will i have to do to get that to work ?
[05:32] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, what exaactly should id do in xp recovery console
[05:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: what's up?
[05:32] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i've been playing around with DSLinux in my spare time and have falled in love with the idea of a silent (no moving parts computer) running from Flash, but that limits you spacewise a lot
[05:32] <Flonne> Homie, you'll probably have to change the order in which your cards are loaded.
[05:33] <Homie> yeah but it only loaded one card
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> well... guess youd have to resort to format...
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> then install hoary
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> :)
[05:33] <Homie> it only detected one
[05:33] <Arnia> johtrsamp\: Its aimed at anyone who wants a system that Just Works ;)
[05:33] <Homie> that onboard one wasnt detected
[05:33] <Homie> cause it doesnt detect in widows wiether
[05:33] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, well i already have hoary on here i just also want xp to work
[05:33] <Homie> i had to manulay install it
[05:33] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: I guess it would... you do have a few gig to play with though
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> lol dang
[05:33] <johtrsamp\> yes Arnia :)
[05:33] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, i tried running fixdisk from recovery ocnsole but it didnt work
[05:33] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu has everything it needs to run out of the box no more no less thats its aim thats why it fits only on 1 CD
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, what is the error?
[05:33] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: few gig? you must be talking more flash than I am :)
[05:33] <Flonne> Homie, what card did you add to your system?
[05:33] <^thehatsrule^> when you try to boot that is
[05:34] <saik0> Homie, if you never use the onboard sound you might try just diabling it in your BIOS
[05:34] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, "NTLDR missing"
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: the original ISO is 50mb... i was thinking a 512mb or 1g flash
[05:34] <johtrsamp\> Dreamer3_, does the package ssh have sshd in it too?
[05:34] <Homie> ok
[05:34] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, hm ive seen that before.... seomtime...
[05:34] <Homie> well i have to go
[05:34] <saik0> Homie, that fixed my alsa problems when I was running 2.4
[05:34] <Homie> ill be bck on tomorrow
[05:34] <Dreamer3_> johtrsamp\: that's why i said apt-cache show ssh, it should tell you
[05:34] <light_punch2> does ubuntu have kernel 2.4.x as option?
[05:34] <Arnia> johtrsamp\: open-ssh?
[05:34] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, and i ahve a lan party tommorow and i dont have time for a clean install so i have to get it cooking soon
[05:34] <geneo93> Homie:  thats because it diabled in bios
[05:35] <^thehatsrule^> clean install only takes 1/2 hour ;p
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: it's sold on as little at 64mb flash... 54 mb iso parition, 10mb data... :)
[05:35] <Arnia> Hmm...
[05:35] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: but i think i'd want to add a lot of stuff... make a real cd with all my fav apps to use anywhere, anytime
[05:35] <johtrsamp\> ic Dreamer3_ , it does :)
[05:35] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: What device is this?
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: Damn SMall LInux, running on a mini-itx board with flash to IDE converter
[05:36] <Jamminpotato> ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THE "NTLDR missing" ERROR WHEN I BOOT XP?, ith nk it has something to do with the ubuntu install i did yester day, and i try and boot xp through grub and it gives me sid error
[05:36] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i'm really tired of my noisy even my laptop is
[05:36] <HKSDU> light-punch2: does ubuntu install 2.6 as default?
[05:36] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, its hl2 nad ut2004 that take a while to isntall
[05:36] <robertj> HKSDU: sure does
[05:36] <brainZzZ> the hdd on my laptop is dead...
[05:36] <Bukkake> So is my dog
[05:36] <HKSDU> robertj: thanks
[05:36] <johtrsamp\> when trying to apt-get install ssh I get this
[05:37] <johtrsamp\> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:37] <johtrsamp\>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ssh_1%3a3.8.1p1-8.sarge.4_i386.deb
[05:37] <johtrsamp\> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:37] <randabis> Jamminpotato: /fixmbr
[05:37] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, those works in ubuntu too :P well, nothing on google?
[05:37] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, consult Micorosft's support stuff. It isn't an uncommon error, even on systems that only have NT5 installed.
[05:37] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Aha... I'm thinking about building custom information systems hardware for field agents of businesses to integrate with the server and desktop software we're designing. Would this be suitable?
[05:37] <Flonne> NT breaks very, very easily.
[05:37] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, ^thehatsrule^  and randabis thank you
[05:37] <i0n_st0rm> hmm.. i know i saw a link to this is one of the forums but i can't seem to find it again. does anyone happen to know the fix for more than one sound playing at once?
[05:37] <kakalto> is there a guide to getting scanning working under ubuntu?
[05:37] <ice_1963> good night
[05:37] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Although I guess writing symbian stuff for mobiles might be better
[05:37] <randabis> Jamminpotato: if that doesn't work, you broke your windows
[05:37] <Jamminpotato> randabis...is fixmbr run from the recovery ocnsole?
[05:37] <randabis> yes
[05:38] <dex1> Anyone have experience of Ubuntu under Vmware or other 'virtual' software under a Win32 system and fancy relaying their experiences?
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> http://www.buildorbuy.org/win2000ntldr.html
[05:38] <Flonne> randabis, won't fixmbr overwrite GRUB?
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato http://www.buildorbuy.org/win2000ntldr.html
[05:38] <randabis> Flonne: yes
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: um yeah... mini-itx is just mainboard, processor, video, etc... on tiny board... good for small, silent, embedded systems... you still need keyboard, mouse, etc...
[05:38] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, i jwill deal with grub later, ireally need xp up tommorow
[05:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[05:38] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: but if i had a large company and most people did data entry or something i think i'd put silent PCs on everyone's desk :)
[05:38] <brainZzZ> but you still need to add that acct to acl's if you want your iis server to be secure.
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato, it just seems like youre missing boot info... or it has been moved/deleted/corrupted
[05:39] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Worth bearing in mind if a client needs that though...VNCing through to a server that does the meaty stuff
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: about the same cost as a NICE XP system, but no noise at all
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i'm just telling you you're talking real computers, not hand helds :)
[05:39] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: I have two silent machines
[05:39] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: mini-itx?
[05:39] <mercurus> no, wafer
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: wafer?
[05:40] <mercurus> Wizards they're called
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: PCs?
[05:40] <mercurus> 233s, with 32 MB RAM
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: x86?
[05:40] <mercurus> Cyrix based x86
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: what do you run on them?
[05:40] <mercurus> I ran one for about a year as a router with debian woody
[05:40] <Flonne> Cyrix chips are nice.
[05:40] <mercurus> best uptime I got was about 4 months
[05:40] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: you have hard drives in them though?
[05:40] <Jamminpotato> if i fixmbr and it doesnt acutally fix windows, i wont have nay working os installed
[05:40] <mercurus> Dreamer3: yeah, laptop HDDs, 5 gigish
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: see i'm talking all run from flash :)
[05:41] <mercurus> but I have put a 40 gig laptop drive in one (which I need to setup)
[05:41] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, correct
[05:41] <johtrsamp\> I can not get this ssh working :(
[05:41] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: once you add a HD you add moving parts, noise... and it becomes really EASY to do anything
[05:41] <Jamminpotato> martinhj, well i ahve hoary live cd
[05:41] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, download and burn a LiveCD.
[05:41] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: it has 2 USB controllers, so I could plug a thumbdrive in and run from flash :)
[05:41] <dex1> HOW can I get the machine out of the Gnome greeter gui thing? When I ctrl-alt-backspace it goes to text mode for about 3 seonds then back to the logon screen. it ignores ctrl-alt-f1. I need to be in full text mode
[05:41] <martinhj> Jamminpotato, it's solveable :-)
[05:42] <mercurus> dex1, open a terminal, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:42] <rdw200169> i have hoary 5.04 on amd 64... tried upgrading to kernel 2.6.11 by installing the kernel image... but it won't load gdm
[05:42] <mercurus> then Ctrl-Alt-F1
[05:42] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, already have hoary live :)
[05:42] <mercurus> rdw200169, do you have nvidia or ATI binary drivers ?
[05:42] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: i'm just thinking for normal client (e-mail, surfing, web design) use a silent PC could be really cool
[05:42] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, just making sure you have something to fallback on. ^^
[05:42] <rdw200169> mercurus: nvidia
[05:42] <saik0> rdw200169, are you using proprietary drivers as a kernel module?
[05:42] <johtrsamp\> do different apt mirrors have different files on them?
[05:42] <Jamminpotato> Flonne, thanks
[05:42] <rdw200169> mercurus: for the video card?
[05:42] <dex1> merc: is that something I need to reverse after I've done what I need to do from the login prompt?
[05:43] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: webdesign with that little space? Err...
[05:43] <saik0> rdw200169, ah, you'll need to build the kernel module for your new kernel
[05:43] <kakalto> has anyone got their scanner working under linux?
[05:43] <mercurus> rdw200169, ok, you need to either change your X config to use the nv driver, not the nvidia0 driver ... or just re-install drivers, and change the config back
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: sure :) firefox, a slim gtk editor ftp, scp, rsync :)
[05:43] <Br34ch> Scanner . . . as in, paper scanning and such on? Or IP scanning?
[05:43] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: what more do i need :)
[05:43] <Br34ch> u h4x0r..
[05:43] <mercurus> dex1, that'll stop GNOME, so you just need to restart it with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[05:43] <saik0> rdw200169, you can download the installer from nvidia's site
[05:44] <mercurus> what do you need to do from a tty that you can't do from a pty ?
[05:44] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: i have to install the drivers while booted in the 2.6.11 kernel, right
[05:44] <mercurus> rdw200169, yep
[05:44] <dex1> mercurus: installing vmware tools
[05:44] <geppy> Egads!
[05:45] <saik0> rdw200169, you'll need to grab the kernel headers to do so
[05:45] <geppy> =(
[05:45] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: i guess that goes the same for my wireless drivers...?
[05:45] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: Different idea of design to me then
[05:45] <mercurus> lol @ april fools day lilo msg
[05:45] <geppy> OH!
[05:45] <geppy> Damnit.
[05:45] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: *laughs* what's your idea? :)
[05:45] <mercurus> dex1, fair enough
[05:45] <geppy> It's not April Fools' day here, yet.
[05:45] <kakalto> april fools is over.
[05:45] <mercurus> rdw200169, maybe ... how did you get them ?
[05:46] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: i got them from some monkeys...
[05:46] <turf> where could i get flash player for ppc arch.?
[05:46] <mercurus> kakalto, where are you ... it is midday April 1 here ...
[05:46] <Arnia> Dreamer3_: I'd need Gimp, Inkscape etc
[05:46] <Liz> if the servers are going down, will it affect us in here?
[05:46] <kakalto> it's past 12:00 here, so april fools is over
[05:46] <kakalto> anyone who does jokes now is the fool
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: ah, gimp isn't THAT huge... i'm thinking i might get up to 100mb or so... :)
[05:46] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: I really need some time to get my wizards going again, they were really great ... because they were silent.
[05:46] <kakalto> 15:46
[05:46] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: i think the one they sell is the store comes with 256mb flash
[05:46] <kakalto> 1st April
[05:47] <mercurus> they are smaller than a Liteon Optical drive unit
[05:47] <saik0> always wondered why the GIMP came packaged with ubuntu base?
[05:47] <Dreamer3_> mercurus: link?
[05:47] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: not sure, they're pretty rare ... hang on
[05:48] <geppy> Agh, that's a sick, sick joke.
[05:48] <Dreamer3_> Arnia: my bad, 512mb flash, 256 memory, i'd prolly reverse it
[05:48] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: so, all i need is nvidia drivers and kernel headers right?
[05:49] <kakalto> has anyone here got the hp psc 2410 photosmart all-in-one printer/scanner/copier to scan something under warty?
[05:49] <saik0> rdw200169, not sure about the wireless. thats all you'll need to get X running though
[05:49] <rdw200169> mercurus, saik0: thanks
[05:49] <Dreamer3_> ok, brb
[05:50] <Liz> bye all
[05:50] <kakalto> ?
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <helio7> did everyone else get that lilo message from the irc server?
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <Jamminpotato> :(
[05:52] <fabbione> helio7: yeah..
[05:52] <helio7> I guess the irc server is Windows and under attack or something is that right?
[05:52] <fabbione> it's 1st of Apr
[05:53] <fabbione> you know?
[05:53] <helio7> oh no LOL i'm still in 31 of march here
[05:53] <Jamminpotato> randabis, it didnt work.... any ideas Flonne
[05:54] <rdw200169> we work in GMT here...
[05:55] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: I can't find the sodding thing ... there are a few pages describing them
[05:55] <geneo93> spammer
[05:56] <Nariab> i <3 ubuntu
[05:56] <^thehatsrule^> spammer? where!
[05:56] <^thehatsrule^> oh
[05:56] <geneo93> lilo
[05:56] <brainZzZ> i knew a guy who made an anagram out of the soliloquy from hamlet
[05:56] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, how do i install grub form a live cd?
[05:56] <^thehatsrule^> Jamminpotato... did you check out my link?
[05:56] <geneo93> all them
[05:56] <Jamminpotato> ^thehatsrule^, ilooked at it.... its somewhat confusing
[05:57] <mercurus> Dreamer3_: http://lists.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/pipermail/wizard/ <-- mailing list with info
[05:57] <^thehatsrule^> oh... why? it seems liike what i did before
[05:59] <dex1> STILL NOT WORKING. :( Vmware tools installer asked the directory of C header files that matched my running kernel.
[05:59] <dex1> As advised here I'd run the command "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and was advised to then enter the path on request as: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r). It complained it was not an existing directory. I'm currently logged in at the prompt via sudo -s -H if that makes any difference (possibly wasn't when I installed that pkge above). Suggestions??
[06:00] <crimsun> dex1: I believe you need to pass /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include
[06:00] <dex1> thanks, trying now
[06:00] <crimsun> dex1: vmware requires additional tomfoolery
[06:01] <dex1> Does it work better under M$oft Virtual PC? (which I don't have thus far)
[06:02] <crimsun> dex1: no idea.
[06:03] <^thehatsrule^> install kernel sources yet?
[06:04] <dex1> me? yes I sudo apt'get'd install linux-headers yeah
[06:04] <dex1> crimsun: that didn't work, still 'not an existing path or directory' :/
[06:04] <jakeb> Gah, I'm trying to get Java going... I am using java-package to create a package... but Java programs/applets seem to be hanging
[06:05] <dex1> is it because I sudo -s -H  'd to swtich to root user but had installed that while under my own username with the sudo prefix?
[06:05] <jakeb> for example Azureus detects Java then hangs for a long time and then gives an error:   java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out
[06:05] <Zepticon> hi... Im new in linux and Ubuntu is my first distro. I have a LCD screen that supports 1280x1024 pixels, but i cant seem to adjust the screen size to anything bigger than 1024x768... What am i doing wrong?
[06:05] <_phate_> Is the release candidate the same as the preview?
[06:05] <robitaille> _phate_,  no
[06:05] <jakeb> _phate_: no
[06:06] <martinhj> what is the greatest differences?
[06:06] <synd`> hey guys
[06:06] <_phate_> whats the diff?
[06:06] <martinhj> saw the rc iso file was a little bigger
[06:06] <synd`> whats the DMA command to enable it?
[06:06] <brainZzZ> which means that to see that information you need to enable it and reboot.
[06:06] <synd`> i mean the command to enable DMA in hoary
[06:06] <^thehatsrule^> Zepticon, change the xorg/xfree config?
[06:06] <jakeb> well for one, it will have updated packages, and maybe the installer is updated too, not sure
[06:06] <Zepticon> how do i do that?
[06:07] <^thehatsrule^> synd`, parma something i belive
[06:07] <robitaille> marcus|,   hopefully less bugs in the release candidate; they had quite a few days there to solve bugs
[06:07] <synd`> ^thehatsrule^, yeah..
[06:07] <_phate_> synd`: it should be enabled by default if your sys supports it
[06:07] <dex1> any ideas anyone? :D
[06:07] <synd`> _phate_, im in hoary.. i dont think it does.
[06:07] <^thehatsrule^> Zepticon if you cant do it in the gnome preferences, you can edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 i think
[06:08] <_phate_> synd`: when you boot up it should tell you if your sys has DMA
[06:08] <synd`> _phate_, CD is skipping. just upgraded today.. didnt do it in warty
[06:08] <alka_trash> anyone seen gimpshop around these parts
[06:08] <alka_trash> ?
[06:08] <synd`> _phate_, is there not a command to see if its enable w/o having to reboot?
[06:08] <icarus> synd:  you can try hdparm /dev/hda at the prompt and see what it says.
[06:08] <deFrysk>  sudo hdparm -d /dev/hda
[06:09] <_phate_> alka_trash: gimpshop is for mac only
[06:09] <_phate_> synd`: i dunno
[06:09] <synd`> icarus, deFrysk: thanks
[06:10] <synd`> /dev/hda:
[06:10] <synd`>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[06:10] <synd`> ugh
[06:10] <deFrysk> cool
[06:10] <synd`> if its not the DMA, then what is it? I have the same exact problem on my laptop which i upped to hoary today as well
[06:11] <pablo928> Hi, can't remember the command to set-up the driver for Xorg. Can anyone help?
[06:11] <alka_trash> about gimp shop from the website
[06:11] <alka_trash> UPDATE! codemills.com has graciously ported GIMPshop to Linux. RPMed. Heres the link to his post where you can find the file. Thanks, Anshuman!
[06:11] <PacoBCN> what problem are you talking about in laptops?
[06:11] <sal002> what gives you autogen.sh (which package)?
[06:11] <alka_trash> http://codemills.com/blog/?p=4
[06:12] <synd`> PacoBCN, when I play a CD.. it skips awkwardly
[06:12] <dex1> Not existing directory?? The VMware tools installer [on XP host]  asked the directory of C header files that matched my running kernel.  As advised I'd run the command "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and as advised then entered the path on request: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r). It complained it was not an existing directory. I *also* tried that path with /include on the end without success; still claims not an existing path. :/ I'm cur
[06:12] <alka_trash> the site has exceeded the given bandwidth, but there was a RPM there and source
[06:12] <PacoBCN> synd, I don't have this problem
[06:13] <synd`> PacoBCN, I have it on both of my hoary computers
[06:13] <icarus> synd: check man hdparm to tweak the cd drive.
[06:13] <synd`> icarus, how exactly do i do that
[06:13] <synd`> sudo man hdparm
[06:13] <synd`> ?
[06:13] <dex1> would the /usr/ directory I'm referencing be the same once I changed to su (via sudo -s -H) ?
[06:14] <dex1> synd: with the keyboard from a terminal mode. type :)
[06:14] <icarus> synd, just man hdparm.  it's detailed and should help you.
[06:14] <sal002> Is there a meta package for gcc and all that fun stuff (including autogen.sh)?
[06:14] <helio7> by responding to lilo that doesn't broadcast to everyone on the server does it?
[06:14] <synd`> dex1, thanks, i know.
[06:15] <inva|id> is there a way to become root in a terminal, so you don't have to type sudo in front of everything? (like su in mandrake)
[06:15] <dex1> inv: su -s -H
[06:15] <kpeterson> inva|id sudo -s -H
[06:15] <deFrysk> inva|id, sudo gnome-terminal
[06:16] <dex1> sal: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[06:16] <dex1> So does anyone know what the path to enter should be? :(
[06:16] <inva|id> ty
[06:16] <deFrysk> kpeterson, cool
[06:17] <sal002> dex1: Does that include autogen.sh?
[06:18] <dex1> sal: dk
[06:18] <sal002> perfect!  Thank you!
[06:18] <sal002> Heh - I like PearPC.net's April fools message
[06:18] <inva|id> another question: say I want to change all files ending in .XXX to .xxx - how to do this? mv *.XXX ?
[06:18] <dex1> crimsun: Might "/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include" not be a valid path because I installed linux headers whilst logged in as the normal username prefixed with sudo BUT are running the vmtools installer from root by way of sudo -s -H ?
[06:19] <_phate_> is there a feature comparison somewhere between GNOME and KDE?
[06:19] <pablo928> I need to set my video driver from terminal, can't start desktop. Can anyone help? I'm running an old SIS onboard video card .
[06:19] <Br34ch> I'm gonna do that.. thing.. that thing the girl did in Milwaukee, kidnapper herself for April's fool last year. Yeah. I'm gonna do that.
[06:19] <sal002> dex: Still don't have autogen.sh
[06:19] <Kamakazie> I doubt anyone knows how to mount a psp in Ubuntu do they?
[06:20] <Kamakazie> didnt think so
[06:20] <dex1> sal: I've no idea. you could search at http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/. I'm new to this myself
[06:20] <Kamakazie> guess ill try it as sda
[06:21] <crimsun> dex1: no, that's not generally the cause
[06:21] <mindwarp> anyone here running on amd64
[06:21] <crimsun> dex1: would you paste onto pastebin.com the entire error message?
[06:21] <mindwarp> After updating to the newest packages for amd64 ia32-libs_0.5ubuntu3_amd64.deb does not install: "error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1`: No such file or directory
[06:22] <infie> Where might I find information on 5.04?
[06:22] <awb4422> the wiki
[06:22] <Kamakazie> Anyone know if its even possible to mount a Sony PSP in linux?
[06:22] <calc> infie: comes out next wed
[06:22] <icarus> dex1, did you compile your own kernel?
[06:23] <sartek> how do I mount a partition from a hdd I just connected (it's from another pc so it's already partitioned)
[06:23] <infie> is it likely to change from the release candidate
[06:23] <infie> and for that matter, can the RC be updated to the release?
[06:23] <synd`> ugh anyone know what to tweak in hdparm for this damned cdrw drive
[06:23] <infie> without a reinstall
[06:23] <mindwarp> infie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[06:23] <calc> infie: you can install warty and upgrade to current
[06:23] <kpeterson> Kamakazie I know there are people working on the inverse proccess
[06:23] <dex1> icarus: no
[06:23] <konstantinos> hello folks!
[06:23] <Kamakazie> yea,
[06:23] <inva|id> how might I rename a bunch of files from .XXX to .xxx ?
[06:23] <dex1> ic: but I may have to
[06:24] <calc> hell if you knew enough about debian you could probably install debian 0.9x and upgrade through to hoary ;)
[06:24] <ChaosZ3RO> alsaconf was the only way I could get my sound to work before this release :S
[06:24] <calc> though the elf and libc6 transitions might be a bit of a pita
[06:25] <icarus> dex1, you could install kernel-package and build headers for your kernel.
[06:25] <konstantinos> while my USB modem is recognized (as seen in the "device manager"), the /dev/modem entry is apparently empty because whenever I try to connect using wvdial, I get the correspondent error message
[06:25] <konstantinos> what to do now?
[06:25] <mikelds> #ubuntu-es
[06:26] <ChaosZ3RO> oh nevermind....some sound is working
[06:26] <^thehatsrule^> inva|id, use mv *.xxx *.XXX ?
[06:26] <dex1> crimsun, that IS the entire error message. Pretty much? It's in mid-install (of vmware tools). It suggests "/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386/build/include" which isn't there so I override to tell it the "C header files that matched my running kernel" are at /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)/include
[06:26] <dex1> still moaned though and said not a valid directory.
[06:27] <ChaosZ3RO> ahhhh beautiful, sound's working
[06:27] <ChaosZ3RO> well, erm, that's all from me
[06:27] <konstantinos> thehatsrule - you got it backwards, that should be:    mv *.XXX *.xxx
[06:27] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: oh... UseBios "false" doesn't work... it init the video and moving windows or anything results in snow... so it's not a permanent solution... any other ideas?
[06:27] <synd`> is /dev/hda my cdrom??
[06:28] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^,
[06:28] <inva|id> # mv *.MOB *.mob
[06:28] <inva|id> mv: when moving multiple files, last argument must be a directory
[06:28] <inva|id> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[06:28] <^thehatsrule^> ah konstantinos, i read it wrong
[06:28] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: nope, sorry.
[06:28] <konstantinos> help anyone with an empty /dev/modem entry? how do I fix this?
[06:28] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: :-/
[06:28] <crimsun> dex1: use the recommended /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include instead.  That's the preferred manner anyhow.
[06:28] <crimsun> dex1: make sure you have it installed.  dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii
[06:28] <Nekohayo> hey people.. I'm looking for a name for an open source app... what do you prefer between Specto and Vigilo? ^^
[06:29] <dex1> trying now.
[06:29] <PacoBCN> anyone ever made irda work?
[06:29] <Flonne> What will it do, Nekohayo?
[06:29] <linuxpoet> Is there any package creation tools for Ubuntu?
[06:29] <^thehatsrule^> hm inva|id, im not sure if ubuntu has rename command... i usually use mv, but you could use cp *.a *.b then rm *.a
[06:29] <Nekohayo> Flonne, notify you of what happened while you were gone :)
[06:29] <linuxpoet> I am considering packaging up some of our products for it
[06:29] <icarus> synd, probably /dev/hdc
[06:29] <Nekohayo> Specto and vigilo are latin words for "watch"
[06:29] <^thehatsrule^> or rather rm -f *.a
[06:29] <^thehatsrule^> ;p
[06:30] <synd`> icarus,  thx again
[06:30] <Flonne> linuxpoet, it uses dpkg, the same basic tools as Debian.
[06:30] <dex1> neko: specto makes me thing of reading glasses wearers and vigilo makes me think of either a vagina or all-night vigil.
[06:30] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^, ah I never thought about that, thanks
[06:30] <Flonne> Yes, I've taken several years of Latin.
[06:30] <^thehatsrule^> hehe np inva|id, if youre really lazy, and need it in the future, make an alias ;p
[06:30] <inva|id> hehe
[06:30] <Nekohayo> XD
[06:31] <turf> any one here havesuccessfuly install flash player in a ppc architecture?
[06:31] <synd`> icarus, i do the sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[06:31] <Flonne> That said, what will it do?
[06:31] <synd`> icarus, and it comes up using_dma = 0 (off)
[06:31] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^, actually, I get the same error with cp as I do with mv
[06:31] <inva|id> ^thehatsrule^, rename exists, I suppose I'll read the man file
[06:32] <synd`> icarus, but the man hdparm said that if i do hdparm -d, that it toggles it on
[06:32] <icarus> synd, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc and see if it enables dma
[06:32] <Hmmmm> hi, guys
[06:32] <Hmmmm> anyone tried the new beta release or hoary?
[06:32] <^thehatsrule^> that is odd inva|id.... always worked for me :S
[06:33] <Flonne> Hi, Hmmmm.
[06:33] <Flonne> Yes; many of us have.
[06:33] <^thehatsrule^> Hmmmm
[06:33] <linuxpoet> This alone make it better than fedora
[06:33] <linuxpoet> Ubuntu is released regularly and predictably; a new release is made every six                     months. You can use the current stable release or the current development                     release. Each release is supported for at least 18 months.
[06:33] <Hmmmm> Flonne, will it be a good idea for me to try the beta?
[06:34] <Hmmmm> im geting my new box thsi weekend
[06:34] <Hmmmm> and i cnat wait for the final release
[06:34] <brainZzZ> i will be b uying a new box very soon
[06:34] <Hmmmm> btw when is hoary final to be released?
[06:34] <Flonne> Hmmmm, there's no real reason not to; you can upgrade everything to the final version when it hits.
[06:34] <Hmmmm> brainZzZ, go for the amd64
[06:34] <brainZzZ> 0
[06:34] <Flonne> April 8th.
[06:34] <paulproteus> Hmmmm: I suggest installing as early as today.
[06:34] <jsgotangco> in a few days
[06:34] <brainZzZ> i only go for the chicks, though
[06:34] <Hmmmm> paulproteus, i like ur advice a LOT
[06:35] <kpeterson> any one here have m4a support working on xmms?
[06:35] <Em> is there a Nekohayo around ?
[06:35] <Hmmmm> so i think i'll start my torrent for the amd64 hoary
[06:35] <Nekohayo> Flonne, it will tell you things like "while you were gone: 3 mails were received, nekohayo messaged you, 2 comments were added to your blog, 7 packages were outdated.." etc
[06:35] <Flonne> Nekohayo, that sounds like it will take a lot of work to complete.
[06:36] <geneo93> crimsun:  since yesterdays updates my cdrom aren't seen
[06:36] <Flonne> That said, I think "Vigilo" sounds more appropriate.
[06:36] <Em> Nekohayo, oh hi, somebody linked your mockup in another channel.  :x  i came to say you've quite miscredited the icons...
[06:36] <Nekohayo> I did? what should I write?
[06:36] <Hmmmm> paulproteus, is the 5.04 preview the last release before final?
[06:36] <crimsun> geneo93: dmesg information?
[06:36] <Em> Nekohayo, look at http://www.brisgeek.com/etiquette
[06:36] <g14> jeff this is jeff :)
[06:36] <Em> Nekohayo, also http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19853
[06:36] <Nekohayo> XD
[06:36] <synd`> UGH
[06:37] <Nekohayo> ok, thank you Em (this is my first time..)
[06:37] <brainZzZ> this my first time in this channel in years, probably first time actually saying anything haha
[06:37] <Em> Nekohayo, all it's fine, dear.  also, about your mockup, it looks a LOT like a gdesklet, and is a lot like something a gdesklet would exist to take care of.  like individual little gdesklets
[06:38] <Nekohayo> Em, but it's meant to be independant.. I think.. like beagle for instance
[06:38] <Hmmmm> Flonne, is the 5.04 preview the last release before final?
[06:38] <Nekohayo> Em, so the author is Andrew Fitzsimon?
[06:38] <Em> Nekohayo, **shrug**  that's fine, it's kinda what gdesklets exists to do, but otherwise this might be a bit harder to write (if it's standalone, ya know ?)
[06:38] <Em> Nekohayo, as far as i know
[06:38] <saik0> Hmmmm, yes, final will be out in 5 days
[06:38] <Flonne> Hmmmm, no, there's a Release Candidate.
[06:39] <Nekohayo> Em, besides, never got to make gdesklets work.. Xd
[06:39] <Flonne> saik0, it was pushed back to the 8th because of Gnome.
[06:39] <saik0> Hmmmm, I guess I lied
[06:39] <Em> Nekohayo, i know, it's a really immature project, i do wish they'd polish it up more, it's such a pain to make any of it work the way you want
[06:39] <Hmmmm> so the current preview release has the latest gnome?
[06:40] <Em> Nekohayo, that said, this is what it exists for.  :x
[06:40] <dex1> crimsun: still says not a valid directory. when I use /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include instead.   I first ran dpkg -l linux-headers-$(uname -r)|grep ^ii and it echoed it back to me (to say it'd found it)
[06:40] <Nekohayo> Em, anyways, I'm thinking of writing down thoughts, better mockups (fixing that one) and all during the week end, and then maybe start publicizing to get some help out there or something.. but it needs to be foretought
[06:40] <saik0> Flonne, is the problemw ith gnome redering 2d windows only with CPU going to be fixed?
[06:41] <synd> ugh
[06:41] <Em> Nekohayo, well good luck, you'll probably run into the "show us the code" attitude a lot though...  :x   if you really want it, keep at it i guess.
[06:41] <synd> hdparm isnt helping out my damn cd drive from skipping
[06:41] <Hmmmm> how does ubuntu comapre to gentoo in terms of speed?
[06:41] <Nekohayo> yeah but I think we'll have to wait for this like you say..
[06:41] <Flonne> saik0, I have no idea. I'm not a dev. ^^
[06:41] <brainZzZ> Nekohayo: now i have to wait for it to fill in
[06:41] <Nekohayo> but the only thing I can do for now is write text...
[06:41] <crimsun> dex1: and with linux-source-foo?
[06:42] <crimsun> dex1: (Hoary -> linux-source-2.6.10)
[06:42] <inva|id> This is what I get with the rename function
[06:42] <inva|id> # rename MOB mob *.MOB
[06:42] <inva|id> Bareword "MOB" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at (eval 1) line 1.
[06:43] <Em> Nekohayo, well good luck.  maybe you could learn to do programming ?
[06:43] <dex1> <warty
[06:44] <crimsun> dex1: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:44] <Nekohayo> hmm easy to say XD I can't write 3 lines of php without the phone pole exploding
[06:44] <pablo928> On a new install, I can only boot to terminal (no desktop). How can I configure my video driver from terminal?
[06:45] <dex1> crimsun: sorry, where do I put that? :(
[06:45] <crimsun> dex1: sudo apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:45] <dex1> *nod*
[06:46] <dex1> and then point the installer to which directory when asked about the C header files?  still /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include ?
[06:46] <icarus> pablo928, edit the /etc/X11/XFree86 file
[06:46] <andrewski> pablo928: what kind of vid card do you have?
[06:46] <pablo928>  icarus:I can do that fro terminal?
[06:47] <andrewski> pablo928: yes, you can.
[06:47] <icarus> pablo928, use nano or something of the like.
[06:47] <PacoBCN> artwork is already updated :)
[06:47] <pablo928> It's a SIS onboard
[06:47] <Em> poor Nekohayo.  good luck all the same.  learn python maybe.  buh bye.
[06:47] <Nekohayo> heheh good night folks
[06:48] <pablo928> It's a sis onboard and I have warty.
[06:49] <andrewski> pablo928: ok, yeah, edit the /etc/X11/Xfree86 config.  done that before?
[06:49] <andrewski> pablo928: are you getting an error, or is X just not starting?
[06:50] <crimsun> dex1: no, that's where it becomes "fun"
[06:50] <crimsun> dex1: you have to alter EXTRAVERSION to fit your --append-to-version
[06:51] <crimsun> dex1: (see make-kpkg(1))
[06:51] <crimsun> dex1: then you have to make prepare in the toplevel of your kernel source
[06:51] <sono> hi... quick question: has left click button changed for nautilus at recent updates? Left clicking a folder opens de new window and autocloses current one...
[06:51] <crimsun> dex1: only then can you point the vmware installation to your kernel source dir
[06:51] <Krys_> crimsun, I still have not been able to get xmms working properly, or anything to play mp3's.. think you can help me?
[06:52] <pablo928> andrewski.No' I've never edited the /etc/X11/Xfree86 configuration
[06:52] <dex1> crimsun: Yessss.. Sounds fun :P Is there a detailed step-by-step howto guide which tells one exactly how to do all that?
[06:53] <andrewski> pablo928: xfreeconf, IIRC.
[06:53] <sono> that means, default action is autoclose previous window at nautilus... anyone with a fast solution?
[06:53] <crimsun> dex1: not that I'm aware of
[06:53] <andrewski> pablo928: sorry, xfreeconfig
[06:54] <dex1> crimsun: Mmm hmm... As a person new to Linux (let alone this distro), what should I do then
[06:55] <crimsun> dex1: essentially what I stated above :)
[06:56] <dex1> This??: crimsun: dex1: no, that's where it becomes "fun" crimsun: dex1: you have to alter EXTRAVERSION to fit your --append-to-version crimsun: dex1: (see make-kpkg(1))
[06:56] <crimsun> dex1: you can deduce what you need to add to EXTRAVERSION from your uname -r
[06:56] <andrewski> pablo928: does that work?
[06:56] <crimsun> EXTRAVERSION is a field in /usr/src/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/Makefile
[06:56] <dex1> ok, I'll go type uname -r at the command prompt once it finishes downlading the last thing
[06:57] <pablo928> andrewski the command xfreeconfig isn't working, "command not found"
[06:57] <saik0> Totem-xine is telling me I need libdvdcss, and it's not in the repos (at least not under that name)
[06:57] <andrewski> pablo928: xfreecfg?
[06:58] <pablo928> andrewski i'll try that next
[06:58] <andrewski> pablo928: :)
[06:58] <Krys_> crimsun, any idea how to help my sound problem?
[06:58] <Xira> what apt package has the kernel source?
[06:58] <lunitik> X --configure ... or dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf ... or just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ...
[06:58] <andrewski> lunitik: Xfree for pablo928
[06:58] <lunitik> Xira: linux-source-`uname -r`
[06:59] <andrewski> lunitik: so i don't remember the right command names. ;)
[06:59] <icarus> pablo928, sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:59] <andrewski> icarus: except that pablo928 doesn't really know how to edit it.
[06:59] <lunitik> andrewski: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:59] <andrewski> lunitik: tell pablo928 :)
[06:59] <icarus> andrewski, can i post links in here?
[06:59] <andrewski> icarus: huh?
[06:59] <geneo91> crimsun:  http://pastebin.com/265528
[06:59] <icarus> web page links...
[07:00] <lunitik> haha... I'm high... first command would have been Xorg --configure ... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... (last part was right)
[07:00] <andrewski> icarus: uh, yeah?  why are you asking me?
[07:00] <lunitik> pablo928: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:00] <icarus> andrewski, never done this before.  don't know who to ask... ;)
[07:00] <lunitik> bob2 got famous for that line  8)
[07:00] <andrewski> icarus: oh. ;)  yeah, sure.
[07:00] <lunitik> ~be bob2
[07:00] <lunitik> :'(
[07:01] <andrewski> lunitik: which line?
[07:01] <dex1> crimsun: The vmware support forums aren't much use, but did say this, in reference to telling it the path of the C header files (follows). is this what we're doing? "make sure that you have installed kernel-headers (or equivalent of it under ubuntu; it is kernel-headers under Debian and kernel-sources on SUSE, Mandrake and old RedHat; on FC3 it is just part of kernel package). Make sure that version of kernel-{headers,source} package exactly matches with ve
[07:01] <lunitik> andrewski: no idea... I wasn't following the question... just trying to figure out wtf xfreeconf was supposed to be  ;)
[07:01] <andrewski> lunitik: which line was bob2 famous for?
[07:01] <Xira> couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[07:02] <lunitik> andrewski: ohh.... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:02] <DAC1138> has anyone here ordered the free ubuntu cds that ubuntulinux.org ships?
[07:02] <DAC1138> im wondering if they ship the live cds or the installation cds
[07:02] <lunitik> DAC1138: yes
[07:02] <andrewski> lunitik: ah, ok. :)
[07:02] <lunitik> DAC1138: both
[07:02] <DAC1138> i just set an order for the 5.04 hoary cds
[07:02] <Xira> guys
[07:02] <Xira> help >.>
[07:02] <Xira> couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[07:02] <DAC1138> lunitik: for the hoary, they didnt ask for live or installation, they just asked what architechture i wanted
[07:03] <fabbione> Xira: linux-source-2.6.10
[07:03] <andrewski> pablo928: so did you catch all that?
[07:03] <fabbione> there is no source for linux-source-2.6.10-5-386
[07:03] <wetnoodle> looking for some help >> how to kill x server to install updated display driver
[07:03] <Xira> uhh
[07:03] <crimsun> it's linux-source-2.6.10
[07:03] <DAC1138> lunitik so are they shipping the live version on the same cd as the installation in the new hoary release?
[07:03] <saik0> uhhh even VLC is'nt playing DVDs what gives?
[07:04] <lunitik> Xira: see what crimsun said... apt-cache search linux source | grep linux-source
[07:04] <lunitik> 2.6.11 is there too...
[07:04] <crimsun> saik0: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:04] <crimsun> please do not use 2.6.11 from universe
[07:04] <fabbione> 2.6.11 is NOT supported
[07:04] <andrewski> crimsun: why not?
[07:04] <lunitik> DAC1138: alll archs have a live cd now... (or rather, the livecd can run on all arches... if I'm not mistaken...)
[07:04] <fabbione> andrewski: because it is not 2.6.11
[07:04] <andrewski> ??
[07:05] <fabbione> andrewski: it's a bk snapshot between 2.6.10 and 2.6.11 final
[07:05] <fabbione> version 0.2
[07:05] <andrewski> fabbione: and thusly not very stable, eh?
[07:05] <fabbione> and in universe = we don't support it
[07:05] <alka_trash> oh
[07:05] <lunitik> crimsun: wouldn't the universe package be 'kernel-source' etc (following Debian's naming scheme...)
[07:05] <andrewski> fabbione: well, yes.
[07:05] <fabbione> and can trash your machine
[07:05] <lunitik> fabbione: ^^
[07:05] <mindwarp> I had bad results with 2.6.11 today also
[07:05] <fabbione> lunitik: not necessrely
[07:06] <mindwarp> my X  kept freezing randomly
[07:06] <lunitik> fabbione: that was the impression I was under... Ubuntu kernels are 'linux-blah-foo' and Debian's (Universe) was 'kernel-blah-foo'...
[07:07] <saik0> crimsun, ahhh theres libdvdcdd =)\
[07:07] <crimsun> lunitik: yes, but in this case, there was a snapshot of 2.6.11 generated for testing.
[07:07] <saik0> css*
[07:07] <fabbione> lunitik: as crimsun says
[07:07] <geneo91> hehe all you geeks on the edge
[07:08] <geneo91> even i didn't use that
[07:08] <fabbione> edge is not always good
[07:08] <lunitik> fabbione: /me shuts up after looking @ maintainer line
[07:08] <geneo91> fabbione:  true
[07:08] <mindwarp> 2.6.10 has known issues with cedega which is why I wanted to go 2.6.11
[07:08] <alka_trash> fabbione: ( sorry to butt in ) but it's exciting !
[07:08] <crimsun> mindwarp: wait a week or so for Breezy's opening ;)
[07:09] <Greg___> I need to recompile PHP, where does ubuntu put the folder I do that in?
[07:09] <wetnoodle> looking for some help >> trying to install updated NVIDIA driver >> how do I kill xserver
[07:09] <geneo91> crimsun:  did you get a look at that
[07:09] <Greg___> or do i need to redownload the source?
[07:09] <fabbione> alka_trash: i agree :) but i don't reccomend it for users that want stability and a working system
[07:10] <fabbione> specially when: A) they are not ready to deal with breakage b) they don't have the knowledge to handle it
[07:10] <alka_trash> fabbione: yep I agree with you too
[07:10] <lunitik> fabbione: grr... should have like a 'test' or something in the ubuntu part of the name if they are not in main...
[07:10] <PD> wetnoodle: just make the changes and llog out and log in, your V server is restarted
[07:10] <fabbione> lunitik: if they are not in main, they are not supported. the separation is clear
[07:10] <andrewski> fabbione: aren't a) and b) usually the same? :P
[07:10] <fabbione> andrewski: no
[07:10] <dex1> crimsun: It's still downloading linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>.  When it's finished and I've typed uname blah a bit, will "the version of the kernel-{headers,source} package exactly match with version of kernel package I have installed"
[07:11] <fabbione> andrewski: a lot of people like to run on edge 'cuz 15 l337
[07:11] <lunitik> fabbione: except for those that have universe enabled... and recognize prior naming schemes...
[07:11] <fabbione> andrewski: but they don't have the knowledge to recover
[07:11] <andrewski> fabbione: what i find funny is that there are so many users switching from distros like gentoo, so they mostly likely 'know' how to deal with breakage... and don't like to on a regular basis. ;P
[07:11] <fabbione> lunitik: name scheme has nothing to do with main/universe
[07:11] <dex1> Heck, I'd be happy if I could just install.
[07:11] <holycow> http://bloodshed.net/wired/?sid=5  <-- holy shit
[07:11] <wetnoodle> PD: i log out but i can't figure out how to get to a shell
[07:11] <holycow> man that sequences looks nice
[07:11] <lunitik> fabbione: I have taken it for granted for 6 months that kernel-*-* was Debian and linux-*-* was Ubuntu... and that the ubuntu one was supported...
[07:11] <crimsun> dex1: no, hence the finagling with EXTRAVERSION
[07:12] <lunitik> fabbione: its a few letters to add to the package name  *shrug* .
[07:12] <PD> wetnoodle: you type Ctrl+Alt+F1 you well get a shell prompt
[07:12] <andrewski> holycow: holy cow!
[07:12] <crimsun> geneo91: look at your dmesg and note the spew regarding hdd:
[07:12] <wetnoodle> PD: at the logon screen?
[07:12] <andrewski> holycow: for kde?
[07:12] <fabbione> lunitik: we are allowed to add unsupported packages.. you know? ;)
[07:12] <PD> wetnoodle: any screen
[07:12] <wetnoodle> PD: okay
[07:12] <geneo91> crimsun:  i booted with audio cd in drive just for that
[07:12] <holycow> andrewski, probably, i found it by accident
[07:13] <fabbione> holycow: that looks neat...
[07:13] <andrewski> holycow: reading web site to see... :)
[07:13] <lunitik> fabbione: not the point... I didn't see that it was in Universe till just now... I assumed via naming scheme that it was...
[07:13] <fabbione> is there any package around for it?
[07:13] <alka_trash> that does look good
[07:13] <geneo91> crimsun:  prior to that it reported to be normal
[07:13] <holycow> nope
[07:13] <holycow> wxgtk
[07:13] <Greg___> does anyone know..if I want to recompile PHP (i.e. run ./configure) what directory that is in?
[07:13] <holycow> :)
[07:13] <ruffian> crimsun: Hi, i found a easy solution on google regarding the sound problem. I have posted on the forum - http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22001
[07:13] <holycow> thats why it looks right in kde
[07:13] <Greg___> or do I need to get the latest source?
[07:14] <alka_trash> don't for Rosegarden :) http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[07:14] <andrewski> alka_trash: this looks a bit different....
[07:14] <alka_trash> true
[07:14] <holycow> *ooo* bookmark
[07:14] <holycow> right right :)
[07:14] <holycow> danke!
[07:14] <mindwarp> anyone else check out planet.gnome.org?
[07:14] <mindwarp> lol
[07:15] <andrewski> holycow: this may be enough to get a friend of mine to give up windows. :P
[07:15] <alka_trash> another good shot of rosegarden
[07:15] <alka_trash> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/tour/audio/
[07:15] <holycow> test it first, you don't want it to be too buggy
[07:15] <andrewski> holycow: well, i don't think it's release-ready, but i'll let him know to keep his eyes peeled. :P
[07:15] <alka_trash> I looks more mature, hard to tell from the shots though
[07:16] <pablo928> andrewski thanks for your help. I edited the xfree configuration, still no display, Guess it doesn't like my old sis video.
[07:16] <holycow> *nod* me too
[07:16] <andrewski> pablo928: dunno, i'd search on google for that card to see if there are any tips already out there.
[07:16] <andrewski> pablo928: i'm no Xpert. :P
[07:16] <crimsun> ruffian: it should be fixed already.
[07:17] <alka_trash> I hope the gnome gets some of it's fatty code cleaned out, I would really like it to run better on my old laptop
[07:17] <ruffian> crimsun: Alright :)
[07:17] <crimsun> ruffian: right, that mute/unmute works fine.
[07:17] <andrewski> alka_trash: xfce. :)
[07:18] <ruffian> crimsun: Yep, i just tested my self :)
[07:18] <pablo928> andrewski i can always put my ati card in again, but i'm short pci slots.....have to talke out my soundcard again
[07:18] <scott> how do I configure ubuntu to show drop shadows on windows?
[07:18] <alka_trash> andrewski: is there a good menu system for xfce though?
[07:18] <icarus> pablo928, what happens when you type startx at the prompt?
[07:18] <helio7> err how do I tar -czvf a directory?
[07:18] <alka_trash> I can't stand building all my icons
[07:18] <wetnoodle> PD: didn't have any luck with that
[07:18] <andrewski> alka_trash: uh... it uses the system menu and actually has a menu editor. :P
[07:18] <helio7> err how do I tar -czvf a directory? (and everything in it)
[07:18] <alka_trash> really
[07:18] <saik0> crimsun, ahhh works, but the video is choppy with DVDs in both VLC and with gstreamer. any suggestions?
[07:18] <alka_trash> I give it a shot again
[07:19] <Flonne> helio7, tar -cvzf mytar.tar.gz mydir/
[07:19] <andrewski> alka_trash: make sure to get 4.2.  see os-cillation for a repository maintained by one of the xfce devs.
[07:19] <helio7> ty Flonne
[07:19] <holycow> someone has to figure out how to point apt at source forge and autogenerate packages
[07:19] <holycow> >_>
[07:19] <holycow> theres just so much incredible stuff on there
[07:19] <holycow> man
[07:19] <holycow> i've been on there for years and it still amazes me
[07:20] <wetnoodle> PD: i was able to get into a shell using Ctrl+Alt+F1 - but when i tried to run the driver installer it still said i was running x
[07:20] <Flonne> holycow, some other distros do that; they also tend to be quite unstable.
[07:20] <g14> holycow: But that would totally screw the dependency tree
[07:20] <g14> holycow: if you expect developers of each app to create a dependency list you are asking for problems
[07:21] <pablo928> icarus:when I type startx, i get command not found
[07:21] <icarus> wetnoodle, edit /etc/inittab and change the default runlevel to 2.  or uninstall your login manager until you're done.
[07:21] <crimsun> andrewski: we're merging XFce <IP_ADDRESS> already.  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[07:21] <helio7> Ok, If i'm ssh'ed into my webhost and want to retrieve something can I scp to my machine from within the ssh shell, or should I quit and scp or ftp?
[07:21] <Flonne> wetnoodle, just kill X.
[07:21] <holycow> g4, it was more of a comment in passing :)
[07:21] <Flonne> It's easier than hacking files.
[07:21] <andrewski> crimsun: hmm, why the delay?
[07:21] <andrewski> (no offense)
[07:21] <holycow> *nod* i don't run gentoo for a reason as well
[07:21] <holycow> hehe :)
[07:21] <wetnoodle> Flonne: that's what i'm trying to do
[07:22] <PD> wetnoodle: in the shell prompt do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:22] <saik0> hmm, does anybody know why DVD video would be choppy?
[07:22] <helio7> hope the general linux questions aren't too far off topic winces*
[07:22] <Flonne> wetnoodle, sudo kill `pidof gdm` `pidof X`
[07:22] <Flonne> That should do it...
[07:22] <ruffian> brb
[07:22] <Flonne> Or stop it cleanly. >.>
[07:22] <Flonne> listen to PD.
[07:22] <crimsun> andrewski: those packages are horridly complicated, not to mention several have severely screwed licenses.  Moreover, our pool master has been very busy.
[07:22] <wetnoodle> okay
[07:22] <g14> saik0: linux isn't real time enough for video
[07:22] <andrewski> crimsun: horribly complicated and screwed licenses?
[07:23] <wetnoodle> PD: and I can do this from any shell as root correct?
[07:23] <Flonne> helio7, I tend to use FTP and SSH together.
[07:23] <holycow> g14, tell that to the guy that directed sin city
[07:23] <g14> saik0: thats why there are patches for the kernel for true audio / video distros like agnula
[07:23] <holycow> robert rodriguez
[07:23] <helio7> Flonne: in seperate windows?
[07:23] <Flonne> Yes.
[07:23] <saik0> g14, nonsense.....I had a mythTV box working perfectly with fedora as a distro...
[07:23] <PD> wetnoodel: yes, make sure you are in the Ctrl+Alt+F1 mode
[07:23] <helio7> brilliant; thanks
[07:23] <holycow> g14, oh you mean stock kernel? *nod*
[07:23] <saik0> g14, at least I hope it's nonsense
[07:23] <PD> wetnoodle: as root or you can use sudo
[07:23] <dex1> crimsun: It's finished downloading that. I type uname -r but all that happens is <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 is echoed onto a line and it goes back to the prompt. What should it/I be doing?
[07:24] <crimsun> andrewski: non-DFSG free
[07:24] <andrewski> crimsun: hmm, thought it was GPL... /me looks it up.
[07:24] <wetnoodle> PD: when I'm done installing - how do I come back into my session
[07:24] <crimsun> andrewski: not all the sources are
[07:24] <PD> wetnoodle: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[07:24] <g14> saik0: nonsense? I am talking about professional av stuff
[07:24] <andrewski> crimsun: know off-hand which aren't?
[07:24] <wetnoodle> PD: that's what I thought
[07:25] <crimsun> andrewski: noted on the wiki page
[07:25] <g14> saik0: you might want a bit more before you call something nonsence you dont know about
[07:25] <andrewski> crimsun: ubuntu's?
[07:25] <PD> wetnoodle: if it doses not come back it means the drivers are not proper, so be care full and make backup of the X file if needed
[07:25] <g14> *read a bit more*
[07:25] <crimsun> andrewski: the one I pasted above
[07:25] <PD> wetnoodle: cool
[07:25] <PD> :)
[07:25] <wetnoodle> PD: thanks - i'll give it a shot
[07:25] <dex1> Should I have been expecting more when I typed "uname -r" ? :/
[07:26] <hohlraum> hey guys.. whats the magic package to enable DVD playback in totem?
[07:26] <g14> I set up a professional recording studio using ardour, rosegarden, and jack on agnula
[07:26] <andrewski> crimsun: a theme?!
[07:26] <saik0> g14, hey all I was trying to say was that I have sucessfully played DVDs without any skipping on other distros. I never meant to offended you and apologize if I did
[07:26] <crimsun> yep.
[07:27] <archangel_> hey guys I got point2play recently and I'm running Hoary and everytime I try to lauch transgaming with aptget it says package not found
[07:27] <ruffian> Everytime i run gvim, i get the following message: (vim:7994): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[07:27] <ruffian> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[07:27] <archangel_> I saved it to my desktop
[07:27] <ruffian> The program runs fine
[07:27] <ruffian> but why does it do that?
[07:27] <andrewski> crimsun: and shouldn't all the references be to "Xfce", not "XFce"?
[07:28] <crimsun> andrewski: sure
[07:28] <g14> saik0: thats fine. Linux having timing and sync issues with audio / video is a known issue. Fedora also uses a highly modified kernel
[07:29] <archangel_> can anyone help me install point2play?
[07:29] <crimsun> archangel_: #cedega
[07:29] <archangel_> as root?
[07:29] <crimsun> archangel_: join the irc channel on this network
[07:29] <g14> type /join #cedega in the chat window
[07:30] <archangel_> ok thanks
[07:30] <dex1> crimsun:  I type uname -r but all that happens is <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 is echoed onto a line and it goes back to the prompt. I'm meant to  deduce what I need to add to EXTRAVERSION from your uname -r output. All I get is those numbers. Without much real idea of where/how to add them either. *cries*
[07:30] <andrewski> crimsun: well, all banter aside, thanks for helping to get Xfce in hoary; maybe one of these days, i'll be an MOTU and i can help out too, but who has time? :P
[07:30] <crimsun> andrewski: (it's a matter of whether you make time)
[07:30] <Quarupt> anyone know what this error means, comes when i try to mount my PSP?
[07:30] <Quarupt> root@ubuntu:/home/sean # libhal.c 911 : Error sending msg: No property info.cate gory on device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_usb_device_54c_1c8_100_- 1_noserial_0
[07:30] <geneo91> crimsun:  its only audio cds it cant see
[07:30] <andrewski> crimsun: maybe.  priorities, right?  i have a baby on the way.... :)
[07:30] <mike8901> HOLY SHIT!   I've already upgraded to hoary sometime ago so I'd think htat they would do the same thing.
[07:34] <dex1> crimsun: What, you mean type "nano /usr/src/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/Makefile" ?
[07:34] <wetnoodle> PD: i hate to keep pestering - but when I ran the nvidia installer - it told me something to the extent of not having a kernel interface
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> Mestapheles: upgrade doesnt change system packaes
[07:34] <saik0> g14, I figured out the problem DMA was diabled on my DVD drive
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> Mestapheles: they dont do the same thing, either
[07:35] <g14> saik0: that would definatly do it :)
[07:35] <sono> Hi friends.  Why has spatial nautilus adopted the autoclose previous window policy as default after yesterday's updates?  How may I change that back?
[07:35] <PD> wetnoodle: may be you have to install the kernel headers
[07:36] <saik0> g14, sure would! not sure why ubuntu would come installed like that, I'm sure they have some reason. now to figure out a way to do this globally
[07:36] <Mestapheles> thnks
[07:36] <PD> wetnoodle: do uname -r find out the kernel version and install the headers for that
[07:36] <PD> wetnoodle: you can get the headers by apt-get
[07:37] <wetnoodle> PD: so - apt-get '?'
[07:37] <g14> saik0: hdparm has a save option
[07:37] <PD> wetnoodle: well apt-get gets the packeage from the repo
[07:38] <topyli> hmm... wanda is in a playful mood today
[07:38] <Mestapheles> da_bon_bon: but the thing is that both a this point in time, already being upgraded to hoary, you'd think they should both just update software already installed. Shouldn't they?
[07:38] <PacoBCN> still can't understand why I have to restart dbus-1 for showing my drives icons in gnome...
[07:38] <saik0> g14, found /etc/hdpram.conf also works
[07:38] <brainZzZ> u.s. uses thai base as tsunami relief hub networks.org/?src=ap:tsunami-us-help
[07:38] <g14> saik0: man hdparm will show you that the -k option will allow you to keep settings over reboot. Yep
[07:38] <dex1> bbl
[07:38] <newbie1> hi, i'm having a bit of  a problem with my screen resolution, i wonder if anyone can help me?
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> Mestapheles: as i said, update doesnt update system packages
[07:38] <PD> wetnoodle: whats the output of uname -r
[07:39] <wetnoodle> PD: 2.6.10-5-386
[07:39] <Mestapheles> xfce4 a system package?
[07:40] <PD> wetnoodle: you are using hoary preview right
[07:40] <wetnoodle> PD: i believe so - i just installed it tonight
[07:40] <brainZzZ> i just installed it
[07:40] <wetnoodle> PD: yes - it is the hoary preview
[07:41] <Mestapheles> xfce4 and plugings were bring held back by upgrade while dist-upgrade installed them.
[07:41] <crimsun> Mestapheles: they're being rebuilt.
[07:41] <crimsun> Mestapheles: please see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[07:41] <Mestapheles> sure
[07:42] <mercurus> about how big is the Warty base footprint ?
[07:42] <mercurus> ie. how big is the basic, GUI-free install ?
[07:42] <geneo91> crimsun:  any ideas why it wont see audio cds
[07:42] <andrewski> Mestapheles: there's also a repository maintained by an xfce dev at os-cillation.com
[07:42] <crimsun> Mestapheles: the core of Xfce <IP_ADDRESS> should be completely done in ~2 hours.
[07:42] <cam> I'm having troubles with out of range resolutions
[07:42] <andrewski> crimsun: oh, that soon?  wow.
[07:43] <PD> wetnoodle:do apt-get kernel-headers-2.6.10 and try
[07:43] <hohlraum> does totem/gstreamer not support dvd playback at all? .. installed the css lib and still no go.
[07:43] <crimsun> andrewski: actually I have them completely done locally (these are Benny's, btw, but we've fixed his errors)
[07:43] <wetnoodle> PD: will do
[07:43] <andrewski> crimsun: it'll be nice not to need the os-cillation.com repository anymore. :)
[07:43] <cam> gdm is in 1280x1024, but my desktop is in 1024x768
[07:43] <andrewski> crimsun: his errors?  the ones mentioned on the wikipage?  bad control files?
[07:43] <Mestapheles> kool
[07:43] <newbie1> i'm stuck at 640x480, and i keep getting "Not using default mode... hsync out of range" in the xfree86 log
[07:43] <tritium> wetnoodle, you want linux-headers rather than kernel-headers
[07:43] <PD> wetnoodle: if tht does not work try apt-get linux-headers-version
[07:43] <crimsun> andrewski: not just, but they don't build cleanly on Ubuntu.  We fixed that.
[07:44] <andrewski> crimsun: oh, nice.  are there major changes from an end-user perspective, i.e. ones that a user would notice?
[07:45] <crimsun> andrewski: no.  If you already use os-works.com debs, you won't notice any difference.
[07:45] <andrewski> crimsun: and is xfwm4 built with the compositor enabled?
[07:45] <crimsun> no, would you like it to be?
[07:45] <andrewski> crimsun: yes.
[07:45] <andrewski> crimsun: you can en/disable it then from the command line when you start it up.
[07:46] <crimsun> andrewski: have you used it under Hoary?
[07:46] <wetnoodle> PD: apt seems to be borked
[07:46] <andrewski> crimsun: no, i used to use it in gentoo.  it's much more stable and performs better than xcompmgr.
[07:46] <wetnoodle> PD: apt-get linux-headers-2.6.10 returns an invalid operation
[07:47] <crimsun> andrewski: I'm hesitant to enable it by default unless at least a few people say they've pleasant experiences with it.
[07:47] <andrewski> crimsun: i'm not very good at building from source, otherwise i would've used it in hoary.  i've never figured out a good way to do that in a package-based distro. :)
[07:47] <tritium> wetnoodle, linux-headers-2.6.10-5
[07:47] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: yes, please build the compositor in - i've heard good things :)
[07:48] <andrewski> crimsun: well, you could enable it in the build and make the default xinitrc disable it.  you'd never know the difference, but those users (however few) who wanted it would be able to make the change.
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: if i can put in my 2 cents :)
[07:48] <geneo91> dont forget install
[07:48] <andrewski> crimsun: i'll scour the forums real quick to see if anyone mentions using it.
[07:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: heard != experienced on Hoary.
[07:48] <tritium> wetnoodle, you can also use `uname -r` for the version number
[07:48] <wetnoodle> tritium: same thing
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: true :) but on other boxes... hoary is just X.org :)
[07:48] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: keep in mind we're targetting a few million users here.  It _must_ be stable.  :)
[07:48] <fabbione> holycow: wired is a royal pain to compile. it has too much specific code that is not really good
[07:48] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: well, i agree with andrewski, not default, just "there"
[07:48] <fabbione> holycow: too bad because it looks nice
[07:49] <Dreamer3_> crimsun: who has usage stats for ubuntu?
[07:49] <Mestapheles> newbie1: what was your question?
[07:49] <crimsun> Dreamer3_: good question.
[07:49] <hohlraum> anyone know if the resolution switching bug is going to be fixed before the final?
[07:49] <newbie1> mestapheles: i'm stuck at 640x480 @ 60 hz
[07:50] <Mestapheles> did you edit /etc/X11/xorg.cong ?
[07:51] <newbie1> mestapheles: i've tried tu run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:51] <newbie1> mestapheles: that didn't work
[07:51] <holycow> fabbione, really? oh too bad :(
[07:51] <Mestapheles> yes that might work but editing the file by hand is sometimes necessary
[07:51] <holycow> maybe its just a factor of being very very early code
[07:51] <wetnoodle> PD: i forgot to type 'source'
[07:51] <holycow> thanks for letting me know :)
[07:52] <holycow> wetnoodle, haha!
[07:52] <Mestapheles> are you sure your video card and moniter support that?
[07:52] <holycow> love the nick
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> hey, this update thing is cool, but it died after it updaded itself
[07:52] <Dreamer3_> i'm assuming it might restart if i restart gnome
[07:52] <wetnoodle> holycow: it suits me
[07:52] <holycow> you wouldn't happen to be the same wetnoodle for izwares mirai forums, wouldja?
[07:52] <PD> wetnoodle: try it
[07:52] <newbie1> mestapheles: and what do i have to look for when i open xorg.cong?
[07:53] <Mestapheles> section screen
[07:53] <wetnoodle> holycow: if that is code for [M]  then yes - if not - no
[07:53] <Mestapheles> do it as sudo. but before you do that, you did try the gnome moniter utility right?
[07:53] <andrewski> crimsun: nothing quick on the forums.  #xfce! :)
[07:53] <holycow>  i have no idea what [m]  stands for, mirai is a piece of 3d animation software long defunct, there was a frequent poster on their forum with your nick, just curious
[07:54] <newbie1> mestapheles: ok, i'll try to work it out from there. do you know what does "hsync out of range" mean?
[07:54] <|QuaD-> is there a reason i am missing System.data in mono on hoary??? i am missing a bunch of libraries, am i missing a package?
[07:54] <jesusfish> what's the advantage to running Ubuntu over Deian?
[07:54] <jesusfish> Debian
[07:54] <Mestapheles> what are your running?
[07:54] <g14> ubuntu is great for a desktop
[07:54] <wetnoodle> PD: do i have to do anything with the headers after apt-get gets them?
[07:54] <g14> debian sucks for a desktop
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> i find that ubuntu is more polished.. and has much nicer set of beginner/faq/docs
[07:55] <Mestapheles> hoary I take it if your're using xorg
[07:55] <g14> And ubuntu has alot of money behind it making it good on the desktop
[07:55] <andrewski> crimsun: why don't you try it out? :)
[07:55] <PD> wetnoodle: it might work wit out doing anything mostly
[07:55] <Mestapheles> well if you upgraded ther could be something missing bu I doubt it.  I upgraded and only missed locales
[07:55] <crimsun> andrewski: as it stands, it's already enabled. :)
[07:55] <andrewski> crimsun: i.e. i couldn't find anything. :P
[07:55] <wetnoodle> PD: okay - i'll try installing the driver again
[07:55] <jesusfish> I'm guessing my best way to migrate is to install from scratch
[07:55] <wetnoodle> PD: is there a way to keep this session running?
[07:56] <crimsun> andrewski: i.e., it was already enabled in debian/rules
[07:56] <andrewski> crimsun: ah, ok.
[07:56] <newbie1> mestapheles: actually i'm not, i went back to hoary
[07:56] <Mestapheles> try apt-get update then dist-upgrade, then update.  If something goes wrong try sudo apt-get -f install .  That solved a few problems for me
[07:56] <andrewski> crimsun: have you tried it?
[07:57] <crimsun> andrewski: I'm not going to try it until 'xfce4' will succeed in installing from pool.  (I'm waiting on the buildds.)
[07:57] <PD> wetnoodle: didnt get you
[07:57] <jesusfish> how stable is Hoary compared to Sid?
[07:57] <Mestapheles> hoary is the second release.  Did you upgrade
[07:57] <Mestapheles> ?
[07:57] <andrewski> crimsun: over my head, but i understood "not yet". :)
[07:57] <gunnmjk> i'm having trouble mounting my powerbooks hd when running off of the hoary live cd
[07:57] <newbie1> mestapheles: i still haven't worked out my problem with the dsl modem
[07:58] <Mestapheles> so you're using warty
[07:58] <wetnoodle> PD: this gdm session - i would imagine there isn't -
[07:58] <newbie1> mestapheles: so i don't have any i'net connection yet :(
[07:58] <crimsun> andrewski: not for another couple hours.  It has to finish on 4 different architectures.
[07:58] <andrewski> crimsun: oh, ok.
[07:58] <wetnoodle> PD: i just want to keep xchat running so i don't have to connect again if possible
[07:58] <wetnoodle> PD: not that it's a big deal
[07:58] <Mestapheles> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 is the file you want to edit then
[07:58] <andrewski> crimsun: FWIW, i won't touch xcompmgr with a 10-foot pole, but i would use xfwm4's. :)
[07:59] <newbie1> mestapheles: ok, thanks!!
[07:59] <Mestapheles> buena suerte
[07:59] <jesusfish> how stable is Hoary compared to Sid?
[07:59] <PD> wetnoodle: there are command line tools available like irssi to connect to IRC from the command, so you can have that running in Ctrl+Alt+F2
[07:59] <Mestapheles> I think hoary is more stable
[07:59] <DanC_ub> hmm... "download changelog" doesn't seem to work for ubuntu in synaptic. does ubuntu not publish changelogs in the expected way?
[08:00] <PD> wetnoodle: you can use command line terminals from F1 to F6
[08:00] <mdz> we do, they just aren't updated very often at the moment
[08:00] <andrewski> jesusfish: it'll be officially released this month, but i've been using it since january. :)
[08:00] <jesusfish> and how good is Ubuntu's KDE support?
[08:00] <Mestapheles> hoary has a lot of fixes over warty.  My accel now works
[08:00] <andrewski> jesusfish: kubuntu has a website. ;)
[08:00] <wetnoodle> PD: sounds good
[08:00] <jesusfish> andrewski: I thought Ubuntu had kde in it anyways
[08:00] <Flonne> jesusfish, www.kubuntu.org; #kubuntu
[08:01] <andrewski> jesusfish: yes, kubuntu aims to make it better and has a default install with KDE *instead of* Gnome.
[08:01] <PD> wetnoodle: for connecting through irssi you can try the #man irssi
[08:01] <geneo91> jesusfish:  kde 3.4 is great
[08:01] <Mestapheles> kubuntu
[08:01] <Dreamer31> crimsun: you repackaging xfce for ubuntu? did that wiki page ever happen?
[08:01] <andrewski> jesusfish: but yes, you can get it installed too with ubuntu, just not on the install CD.
[08:01] <jesusfish> geneo91: ya, been using it for a while
[08:01] <andrewski> Dreamer31: yes, he pasted it a while ago.
[08:01] <Dreamer31> crimsun: you need xterminal and mousepad too :)
[08:01] <andrewski> crimsun: Dreamer31's right... xterminal, anyway. :)
[08:02] <jesusfish> are there any netinstalls?
[08:02] <crimsun> Dreamer31: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[08:02] <crimsun> Dreamer31: they're in, too, but they're lower on the merge priority list.
[08:03] <rdw200169> this sucks... i just went throught this big pain in the *** getting kernel 2.6.11-1 working
[08:03] <rdw200169> and now the mouse won't work
[08:03] <andrewski> rdw200169: why use 2.6.11?
[08:04] <crimsun> bbl
[08:04] <rdw200169> and the forums are telling me that 2.6.11-2 magically fix the problem
[08:04] <rdw200169> so i can play Pirates!
[08:04] <geneo91> rdw200169:  its a kernel snapshot thats why
[08:04] <andrewski> rdw200169: yeah, it's kinda bleeding edge.
[08:04] <rdw200169> i know... so now i'm gonna find source and do that even bigger pain in the ass...
[08:04] <Dreamer31> crimsun: ah
[08:05] <Dreamer31> crimsun: i'm reviewing the page now
[08:05] <rdw200169> what page?
[08:05] <Mestapheles> newbie1:  "hsync out of range" probibly means that you don't have the horizontal out of sync
[08:05] <andrewski> rdw200169: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUXfce
[08:05] <awb4422> ok why are there 3 weird dudes on GDM lol
[08:05] <andrewski> rdw200169: Xfce wikipage on adding it to hoary.
[08:05] <lewwy> whats better, gnome of KDE?
[08:05] <rdw200169> oh, thanks
[08:05] <andrewski> lewwy: preference. :)
[08:05] <lewwy> gnome or* KDE
[08:06] <Mestapheles> lewwy:xfce4 is the best
[08:06] <Mestapheles> really
[08:06] <dex1> Is Crimsun still around?
[08:06] <rdw200169> lewwy: i like KDE... menu editing is MUCH easier... and you can add Karamba Themes...
[08:06] <andrewski> heh, lewwy's gone already.
[08:06] <awb4422> oh apparently it was an april fools joke
[08:06] <topyli> throw in the bait, and run
[08:06] <andrewski> april trolls!
[08:07] <geneo91> andrewski:  he just wanted to stirr the pot
[08:07] <dex1> Crimsun: Hi, I can't work out what I'm supposed to be doing?? The uname -r output is just "<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386". Am I meant to be typing "sudo nano /usr/src/linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS>/Makefile" to type that number into? Because that's an empty non-existing file.
[08:07] <andrewski> geneo91: yeah, the channel isn't busy enough already. :P
[08:07] <Mestapheles> what do you do with fbsd trolls?  anyone?  I'm thinking of making a shirt for install-fest that says something like "sudo rm -rf fbsd"
[08:08] <dex1> Or does anyone else have any ideas?
[08:08] <geneo91> andrewski:  i dont really care what others use as long as its linux
[08:09] <Flonne> Mestapheles, I use fBSD. :(
[08:09] <andrewski> geneo91: yeah, really.  kde may be windows-like, but it's pretty sweet.
[08:09] <dex1> Apparently I need to alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version :((
[08:09] <jesusfish> so basically ubuntu/kubuntu are cutting-edge Debian geared for desktop
[08:09] <Mestapheles> I really don't mind, I just want ot get on his nerves simply because he's a troll
[08:09] <dex1> jesus: when/if they work
[08:09] <Flonne> That's one way of looking at it, jesusfish.
[08:09] <geneo91> i had xp on this box for two weeks and put 98se back on
[08:09] <lunitik> jesusfish: sure...
[08:10] <lunitik> geneo91: that was smart.
[08:10] <Mestapheles> I am not hostile to bsd really, but I really dislike him because he is hostile to gpl and anything gnu-linux
[08:10] <Flonne> Ah...  It's been several days, two machines and it's really getting me down now. :(
[08:11] <jesusfish> 170KB/s
[08:11] <jesusfish> it's like crawling
[08:11] <holycow> geneo91, isn't xp an abomination?
[08:11] <holycow> i just bloody hate that thing
[08:11] <holycow> heh
[08:12] <Flonne> dex1, I would, but my responses may be a bit intermittent for about half an hour.
[08:12] <geneo91> yes i fix more boxes with xp on them than any other
[08:13] <holycow> geneo91, me too
[08:13] <holycow> i've seen all sorts of bizarre things
[08:13] <dex1> Flonne: Well, if you do become open to volunteering I'll take it. Been several days; I appreciate all the volunteer help so far of course :/
[08:13] <holycow> on one we had to reinstall the entire os to get it to like modem drivers
[08:13] <gunnmjk> I was reading some *old* documentation and it was saying that linux can't read an HFS+ partition, and macos X can't read a linux partition. Is this still true in the current versions of Ubunto?
[08:13] <geneo91> most of them have exploit on them
[08:13] <holycow> spyware? heh, thats windows for ya *nod*
[08:13] <Flonne> dex1, query away.
[08:14] <dex1> It's installing on vmware, should I stop now?
[08:14] <gunnmjk> hmmm guess nobody here's a mac user
[08:15] <geneo91> had one it took four days to fix with over 700 infected files
[08:15] <Dreamer33> crimsun: looks like most of the work is done :)
[08:16] <dex1> flonne: I was told to type uname -r. That just returned "<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386" (this was all after downloading a source file first). Then, apparently, I need to "alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version"? That's where I'm lost.
[08:16] <Flonne> dex1, well, I've installed VMWare under Arch, Debian, and Gentoo in the past two years... I'll help as much as I can, but my methods may be unorthodox.
[08:16] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: I beleive newer kernels support hfs+
[08:16] <dex1> If unorthodox=nevertheless-works then it's good to me ;)
[08:17] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: haven't booted into Linux on my PowerBook for a while though, so I can't remember for sure
[08:17] <grover> dex1: I am installing on vmware too
[08:17] <dex1> grover: on what operating system?
[08:17] <grover> XP
[08:17] <PD> gunnmjk: linux can read it you have to recomplile the linux kernel with hsf+ pathch and thats it
[08:17] <DanC_ub> hmm... I can't install realtime-lsm-source because kernel headers are not available for <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386; newer kernels don't seem to work with this VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) ... I think I found out why one night, but now I have forgotten
[08:17] <Flonne> unorthodox=might-not-be-upgradable, since it might require using a custom kernel.
[08:17] <dex1> grover: ditto. hope yrs goes better ;)
[08:17] <Dreamer33> dex1: is installing vmware that hard, or youre trying to install UNDER vmware?
[08:17] <ipcopnewbie> hello, i'd like to try out firestarter, but the latest version seems to be only in debian's unstable archive. can anyone put the format of the line to add to sources.list so i can use apt-get to fetch the latest firestarter?
[08:17] <gunnmjk> jesusfish, thanks. I'm planning on making my system dual boot, so it'd be nice to know what partitions i need to make before I start trying to install
[08:17] <dex1> dreamer: the latter
[08:17] <PD> gunnmjk: but by default i doubt
[08:18] <grover> dex1: what probs were you having?
[08:18] <dex1> flonne: I'm having to do that whole kernel thing currently, because it couldn't find a path to any C header files. (this is while installing VMWare tools.
[08:18] <jesusfish> PD: hmm...I thought they introduced hfs+ a few kernels back
[08:18] <dex1> Ubuntu installed ok initially
[08:18] <Flonne> Er... You're trying to install Ubuntu in VMWare?
[08:18] <andrewski> crimsun: status update? :P
[08:19] <dex1> Flonne: Platform (host) is XP. The Guest OS is Ubuntu. Or would be.
[08:19] <Flonne> I've actually never done that. I only use VMWare for FreeBSD to avoid dual-booting to test stuff.
[08:19] <Flonne> I'm not sure where to begin. :(
[08:19] <andrewski> is vmware FOSS?
[08:19] <dex1> It's okay.
[08:19] <Flonne> No, andrewski.
[08:19] <lunitik> andrewski: no
[08:20] <andrewski> that's where wine comes in?
[08:20] <gunnmjk> jesusfish, you would think so. but I wasn't able to mount my HD from the live CD doing the normal mount function
[08:20] <ipcopnewbie> anybody willing to copy their unstable dist line from /etc/apt/sources.list for me?
[08:20] <ipcopnewbie> (trying to apt-get install firestarter 1.0.3)
[08:20] <dex1> andrew: The VMware runs under windows and creates a virtual machine. On which one installs anyOS
[08:20] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: the vanilla kernels would have it, not necessarily compiled ones
[08:20] <lunitik> andrewski: entirely different mechanism... wine is emulation ... vmware is virtualization
[08:21] <andrewski> lunitik: ah, ok.
[08:21] <Flonne> WINE Is Not an Emulator. =P
[08:21] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: you mean you want to install firestarter from hoary onto a warty installation?
[08:21] <Flonne> It's just really similar.
[08:21] <andrewski> Flonne: almost said it. :P
[08:21] <dex1> Well, lets looks at this from another way.
[08:21] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: just uncomment the universe repository.
[08:21] <gunnmjk> so I shouldn't expect ubuntoto have it?
[08:21] <lunitik> andrewski: you could compare vmware more closely with BOCHS or Xen ..
[08:21] <Flonne> dex1, VMWare runs under a lot of OSes.
[08:22] <gunnmjk> It'll be my first linux install, so i'm trying to make things easy for myself
[08:22] <andrewski> lunitik: never heard of them. dunno, just wondering because i hear a lot about it.
[08:22] <Flonne> I'd cry if I had to see Windows on one of my computers.
[08:22] <geneo91>         deb http://soulmachine.net/debian unstable/
[08:22] <dex1> flonneL: I know, but I was referring to a Wine comment
[08:22] <Flonne> Ah.
[08:22] <elcu> Flonne: Not a gamer then?
[08:22] <Flonne> Console gaming is all I need.
[08:23] <lunitik> andrewski: Xen is a new feature of Linux ... nice... and being pushed by IBM, HP, Red Hat and Novell
[08:23] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: prolly not by default
[08:23] <andrewski> lunitik: hmm, i'll check it out.
[08:23] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: "Yes. HFS+ support was added to the Linux kernel early in the 2.6 series."
[08:23] <gunnmjk> Oh, so I don't need the patch? nice
[08:23] <lunitik> andrewski: heh, Novell even has Netware running under it ... sound like what Microsoft is doing with NT4 and Virtual PC anyone?  :P
[08:24] <dex1> This is what I was told to do. 1) sudo apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> (I did, it downloaded. 2) Type uname -r (I did and saw "<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386"). 3) THEN... I was told to "alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version" and "make prepare in the toplevel of my kernel source". Neither of which (#3) I know how to do. Being new to this all.
[08:24] <Flonne> I'm quite opposed to the existence of Windows.
[08:24] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: no patch, but u may need to compile ur own kernel
[08:24] <andrewski> lunitik: dunno. :D
[08:24] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: the version of firestarter in the ubuntu stable is < 1.0 so no dhcp config support
[08:24] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: which i was hoping to use.
[08:24] <gunnmjk> compile my own kernal, eh. that sounds tricky
[08:24] <dex1> Any ideas on what to do next there Flonne?
[08:24] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: you could get the hoary source and build  a package on warty. it's more likely to succeed than trying to install the binary
[08:24] <PD> jesusfish: sorry my knowledgee was not updated apt-get update PD-reading-habits
[08:24] <Flonne> gunnmjk, it's really not so bad, but you probably won't have to do it.
[08:25] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: easier than patching at least
[08:25] <Flonne> dex1, "next"? Sorry -- I missed your last line.
[08:25] <jesusfish> PD: lol
[08:25] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: i got the source from the firestarter home page, it failed tom configure with a perl dependency
[08:25] <jesusfish> PD: I used to keep tabs...but I mainly use OS X on my Mac now anyways
[08:25] <dex1> This is what I was told to do. 1) sudo apt-get install linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> (I did, it downloaded. 2) Type uname -r (I did and saw "<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386"). 3) THEN... I was told to "alter EXTRAVERSION to fit my --append-to-version" and "make prepare in the toplevel of my kernel source". Neither of which (#3) I know how to do. Being new to this all.
[08:25] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: i figured, before i went to a lot of hassle, maybe i could get apt-get to do it, just for this package
[08:25] <gunnmjk> heh heh
[08:25] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: backport?
[08:25] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: use debianized sources from hoary, they will build more easily (with apt)
[08:26] <gunnmjk> I havnt even considered compiling a kernal myself yet. I think for a task like that, I'm going to need some help
[08:26] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: if there's a version in hoary that you want, you should be able to get it from the backports project.
[08:27] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: insert the hoary source repository in your sources.list. then do 'apt-get build-depend firestarter'. then 'apt-get source -b firestarter' and voila! you have a working package
[08:27] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: i'll give that a whirl. i haven't heard of the backports project... the first time i tried ubuntu was today. it's only the second debian installation i've done (much more experience w/rh)
[08:27] <eyequeue> or .. just wait until 8 april
[08:27] <topyli> it's in universe IIRC
[08:27] <andrewski> eyequeue: or ipcopnewbie could just upgrade now. :)
[08:27] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: well, you may find a backport too
[08:28] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: did you say that firestarter is in universe? yes, i think thats the <1.0 version i got initially
[08:28] <dex1> Apparently I can deduce what I need to add to EXTRAVERSION from your uname -r ?? :/
[08:28] <dex1> *my
[08:28] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: i mean if you get the hoary source, that'll be in hoary universe as well :)
[08:28] <gunnmjk> jesusfish, how would you recommend partitioning? From what I heard Linux is first, I'm thinking of giving it 5GB or so. Setting aside 1GB for a "swap" whatever that is (i'll figure it out later, I don't even know if I need it) and the rest for MacOS X
[08:28] <andrewski> topyli: but if the source is in universe, why couldn't ipcopnewbie just get the package?
[08:29] <topyli> andrewski: he wants a new version from hoary
[08:29] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: i presume that source would be missing the dhcp support
[08:29] <dex1> anyone?
[08:29] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: honestly, it's been a long time since I last installed Linux on my PB, so I can't remember exactly
[08:29] <grover> is the fact that there's a /.dev mounted or is this intentional?
[08:29] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: since the packaged version doesn't have it
[08:29] <andrewski> gunnmjk: 5G may be a little close.
[08:29] <grover> is it a bug, rather
[08:29] <Flonne> gunnmjk, my suggestion is RAM x 1.5 swap, ~50-100 meg /boot, 3-4gig / (2.5 if you can't spare that), and the rest for /home. In that order.
[08:29] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: but a newer package would; i thought that's what you were saying?
[08:29] <Dreamer33> andrewski: i have ubuntu on a 5g paritiont, but that's not counting home :)
[08:30] <andrewski> Dreamer33: what's with all the names?
[08:30] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: plus, I've never installed Ubuntu before and know that Debian was a bit of a pain when I last did it on the Mac
[08:30] <Flonne> That should be universal, regardless of platform.
[08:30] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: right, because according to firestarter's home page, versions > 1.0 have the dhcp support
[08:30] <Dreamer33> andrewski: i dunno, keep getting disconnected
[08:30] <Dreamer3> well, gotta run, may be back later :)
[08:31] <Flonne> messaged*
[08:31] <ipcopnewbie> andrewski: this is all because i want to config dhcp on my internal LAN and don't want to learn the whole dhcpd.conf format. hell, seems like more trouble than it's worth just fora  GUI
[08:31] <andrewski> ipcopnewbie: so, if topyli is telling you to add universe, you'll get the same version, package or source, so why not use package?
[08:31] <jesusfish> gunnmjk: so I'm prolly not the nest one to answer that question
[08:31] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: they do. but the hoary package probably won't work on warty, so you need to build one, or find a backport. i recommend building
[08:31] <gunnmjk> so, I'll need 4 partitions total?
[08:32] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: ok, let me see if i can find a backport then.
[08:32] <andrewski> topyli: oh, "it probably won't work".  heh, didn't realise that.
[08:32] <topyli> hehe
[08:32] <ipcopnewbie> thanks all for the tips... have to hit hay because of toddler alarm clock at 6am. :-) cheers!
[08:32] <eyequeue> andrewski:  -b source would be guaranteed to work with his libraries, a hoary package may not
[08:33] <andrewski> eyequeue: yes, didn't realize that. :P
[08:33] <topyli> ipcopnewbie: happy hacking
[08:33] <HiddenWolf> Can anyone give me the command to burn an ISO from the command line?
[08:34] <ipcopnewbie> topyli: thanks a ton! i love ubuntu so far! (loved debian previously, but that was my ISP's installation; love it slightly less now that I've actually tried doing a fresh install)
[08:34] <topyli> HiddenWolf: copy one from the EXAMPLES section of the cdrecord man page
[08:34] <HiddenWolf> topyli: good piont
[08:35] <jeffsch> Flonne: awesome re: partition sizes. Everything I have read on partition sizes leaves me wondering how I should partition my disk, so I end up guessing. The way you put it makes it sound so easy.
[08:36] <randabis> heh I wonder who was trying to talk with me earlier
[08:36] <randabis> this tab was flashing
[08:37] <geneo91> who has hoary with all the qt libs installed
[08:37] <randabis> me probably considering I'm running kde/kubuntu
[08:38] <geneo91> you have qt-designer
[08:38] <topyli> geneo91: i don't know what "all the libs" are, but i do have qt
[08:39] <geneo91> well i was going to share an app i use to chat and share files
[08:39] <topyli> geneo91: dcgui-qt?
[08:39] <geneo91> it uses a muscled server
[08:40] <geneo91> topyli:  no special thing
[08:40] <Flonne> jeffsch, it's always open to experimentation. The values I suggest are just what tends to fit best from my experience.
[08:40] <woodywarty> How do I use GnuPG in Evolution 2 ?
[08:42] <jsgotangco> woodywarty: just add your key to the required tab and its set
[08:42] <woodywarty> Well which key do I have to add:  gpg --list-keys
[08:42] <woodywarty> Which one ?
[08:43] <jsgotangco> your public key of course
[08:43] <woodywarty> I did that and it did not work out
[08:43] <HiddenWo1f> Cdrecord gives me an error 'can't acces scsi<something>'
[08:43] <elcu> Any LaTeX users?
[08:43] <dracflamloc> hey
[08:43] <jsgotangco> the 8 digit hex key
[08:44] <HiddenWo1f> topyli: Can you assist?
[08:44] <dracflamloc> anyone know if the process of getting the nvidia 3d drivers workin on unbuntu is easy? i'm itching to ditch my curent distro
[08:44] <synd> how do i edit hdparm.conf in hoary to automatically do hdparm -u1 -d1 /dev/hdc upon booting?
[08:44] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: if you are lucky yes. :)
[08:44] <dracflamloc> HiddenWo1f, not what i wanted to hear =P
[08:44] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: Usually it works in ~2 commands, but I'm usually unlucky
[08:45] <dracflamloc> anything special that needs to be done?
[08:45] <synd> how do i edit hdparm.conf in hoary to automatically do hdparm -u1 -d1 /dev/hdc upon booting?
[08:45] <synd> anyone?
[08:45] <randabis> dracflamloc: not really...it generally takes 2 commands, and a restart of the x server
[08:45] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:46] <HiddenWo1f> I however am an unlucky sob who can't get them to work. :)
[08:46] <dracflamloc> doh
[08:46] <dracflamloc> i assume it uses the 2.6 kernel?
[08:47] <dracflamloc> ubuntu, that is
[08:47] <randabis> dracflamloc: but of course :)
[08:47] <jeffsch> Flonne: yea but most of the people who write about partioning write pages and pages, and still I end up wondering what the heck is good. You put 5 pages of geek-speek into a couple of lines of advice. Very nice.
[08:47] <HiddenWo1f> Can anyone here tell me what I need to pass to cdrecord to burn an iso with /dev/hdd?
[08:48] <dracflamloc> one last question. does it come with the kernel sources?
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> dev=/dev/hdd
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: you can easily install them.
[08:48] <dracflamloc> that wasnt my question ;)
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> hrdwrbob: can you give me the entire command to be sure
[08:48] <dracflamloc> i'm on a very restrictive firewall
[08:48] <dracflamloc> i cant ftp
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc: I don't think they're on the cd, no.
[08:48] <HiddenWo1f> dracflamloc, apt-get will work fine for you.
[08:48] <HrdwrBoB> HiddenWo1f: cdrecord -v -eject speed=24 dev=/dev/hdd file.iso
[08:48] <geneo91> dracflamloc:  its http
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> though if you right click in nautilus
[08:49] <dracflamloc> so unless its on the cd i pretty much have no chance of getting it
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> and click burn
[08:49] <HrdwrBoB> it should be fine
[08:49] <dracflamloc> geneo91,  oh ok
[08:49] <ohfuzzhead> hello
[08:49] <dracflamloc> so does apt-get work on http?
[08:49] <HiddenWo1f> hrdwrbob: i went to reinstall, my hoary iso was fucked, so I installed warrty, but I can't get xfree to run, so I am in rescue mode about now
[08:50] <geneo91> dracflamloc:  it will net you nvidia-glx nvidia kernel-headers
[08:50] <dracflamloc> kernel-headers?
[08:51] <dracflamloc> i need the full source
[08:51] <dracflamloc> i assume apt-get kernel-source?
[08:51] <topyli> HiddenWo1f: sorry, went out for smokes. what's up?
[08:51] <geneo91> no
[08:51] <kakalto> could someone please tell me why gnome won't load, after I just installed some new printer/scanner drivers (hpoj)?
[08:51] <helio7> what's the ftp put command for a whole dir?
[08:52] <dracflamloc> do you recommend 5.04?
[08:52] <geneo91> yes
[08:52] <randabis> dracflamloc: linux-source
[08:53] <dracflamloc> wow only one cd?
[08:53] <andrewski> dracflamloc: yeah, sweet, huh?  you can enable additional online repositories once you're installed.
[08:53] <dracflamloc> ah, very cool
[08:53] <dracflamloc> and apt-get uses http then?
[08:54] <helio7> in terminal ftp how do I put a directory?
[08:54] <randabis> yes, it is http
[08:54] <dracflamloc> awesome
[08:54] <dracflamloc> =D
[08:54] <lewwy> okay, i'm officially partial to Kubuntu now.    Anyone know any cool stuff i can download or show him to prove him wrong?
[08:55] <andrewski> lewwy: kde's a good start.
[08:55] <geneo91> lewwy:  bb
[08:55] <Flonne> lewwy, just disable your firewall for a few days.
[08:55] <lewwy> andrewski, I showed him the cool fading in thingos, did nothing
[08:56] <lewwy> flonne, dont have one man
[08:56] <andrewski> lewwy: run filelight on your music directory (if you have one); that's real slick.
[08:56] <Flonne> Then just show him all the spyware on his system, then comment on how *all* your software can be upgraded with a single click.
[08:57] <dracflamloc> andrewski, how do i get that?
[08:57] <andrewski> lewwy: or leave your system on for a week. :P
[08:57] <geneo91> bb is a cool cli app thats doing gfx with letters and has sound
[08:57] <lewwy> i can't really use windows xp cost factor as a arguing point.
[08:57] <andrewski> dracflamloc: it's in universe, i think.  a kde app.
[08:57] <Flonne> Or three years... (Yes, it's doable.)
[08:57] <kakalto> is gimpshop available in deb?
[08:58] <andrewski> Flonne: i believe it. :)  but even a week would surprise most windows users. :D
[08:58] <kakalto> I know it's available in rpm, but ubuntu doesn't support that
[08:58] <kakalto> does it
[08:58] <lewwy> hey guys, is there some sort of frontend for samba?
[08:58] <lewwy> if its something like samba-GUI then i'll kick myself
[08:58] <Flonne> lewwy, the single most convincing argument I've been able to use is package management.
[08:58] <Flonne> And the fact that you (usually) never have to go driver hunting.
[08:58] <jdub> lewwy: for the server? swat
[08:59] <geneo91> kakalto:  yes u can use alien to install rpms
[08:59] <kakalto> ohk
[08:59] <kakalto> thanks
[08:59] <scott> how can I have ubuntu show an image while it boots up (instead of all the kernel output)?
[08:59] <lewwy> jdub, client man, I want to be able to see my brothers shares as a GUI
[08:59] <Flonne> Gone are those fifteen hours of searching for that soundcard driver some company in Taiwan didn't feel like including with their product.
[08:59] <randabis> heh
[08:59] <jdub> lewwy: you can browse servers and shares in nautilus, just click places > network
[09:00] <andrewski> Flonne: that can backfire though, if the driver doesn't exist in linux but does in windows.  *cough wireless LAN cough*
[09:00] <randabis> scott: usplash, but it isn't released yet...only early betas are available for testing
[09:00] <dracflamloc> andrewski, i meant how do i get kubuntu
[09:00] <Arnia> April Fools is a chore
[09:01] <Arnia> http://planetkde.org
[09:01] <Arnia> http://planet.gnome.org
[09:01] <andrewski> dracflamloc: oh. :)  #kubuntu, dunno the website.
[09:01] <dracflamloc> interesting
[09:01] <dracflamloc> i prefer gnome anyway, but i like to have both
[09:01] <scott> randabis, is it safe to run?
[09:02] <andrewski> dracflamloc: oh, well, you can get kde in the apt repositories....
[09:02] <lewwy> argh crap, synaptic wont start up.  I killed it using ctrl+x in terminal, then it kept alive, and then i made it crash.  how can i make it work again?
[09:02] <lewwy> made it crash via hitting X
[09:02] <randabis> scott: I have it running, no problems so far
[09:03] <andrewski> lewwy: run it again?
[09:03] <scott> randabis, where do I get it?
[09:03] <Flonne> andrewski, that's an unfortunate exception, and worth writing letters to the manufacturer over.
[09:03] <lewwy> randabis, omg dude ur a genius.   :P
[09:04] <lewwy> andrewski, lol ok sorry. My bad. Any other suggestions?
[09:04] <holy_cow> hey guys, if i have a multiuser system, and the users ofthe system want to have a shared area for storing and working on documents ... how would one set that up on linux?  ideally they cannot access each others files, just the files in the 'shared' area.  any ideas?
[09:04] <andrewski> lewwy: did you run it again?
[09:05] <dracflamloc> andrewski, nope
[09:05] <lewwy> andrewski, yes i did
[09:05] <andrewski> lewwy: and what's the error?
[09:05] <dracflamloc> theres an old piece of software i have that i wrote, but i lost everything but my old rpm =P
[09:06] <scott> holy_cow, I don't know, but ifolder.com might be useful
[09:06] <lewwy> andrewski, no error, it just runs, and dies.  No gui either
[09:06] <randabis> scott: http://kalatlug.nanofreesoft.org/Projects/usplash/snapshots/
[09:06] <andrewski> lewwy: run it in a terminal and paste any error it reports.
[09:07] <lewwy> andrewski, im running it in terminal, and getting no error
[09:07] <lewwy> hang on andrewski i'll restart
[09:07] <andrewski> lewwy: not yet
[09:07] <lewwy> lol
[09:07] <andrewski> lewwy: try killall synaptic
[09:07] <andrewski> lewwy: and run it again.
[09:08] <lewwy> yep, just tried andrewski, still nothing
[09:08] <holy_cow> scott, thanks for that
[09:08] <holy_cow> looks interesting
[09:08] <andrewski> lewwy: ok, dunno.
[09:08] <lewwy> andrewski, restart?>
[09:08] <lewwy> sounds like a plan, brb
[09:12] <andrewski> good night all.
[09:15] <kakalto> does anyone have a deb of gimpshop?
[09:15] <MaRk-I> dang finally
[09:16] <gunnmjk> i saw that gimpshop looks tight
[09:16] <gunnmjk> why didn't anybody do that before
[09:16] <sono> hello friends... this afternoon, I had a terrible problem I exposed here.  Different suggestions were given.  While processing som hi-res images at GIMP, I switched to evolution to quick send an email.  Suddenly my system began doing an infinite swapping... the HD never stop spinning and I lose the system response...
[09:16] <kakalto> probably because it was under development :P
[09:17] <kakalto> ah-huh!
[09:17] <kakalto> I found one
[09:17] <Mestapheles> is this HAPPY APRIL FIRST! gdm background for real?
[09:18] <sono> ...so I was tracking for memory leakage at any of my apps through "top" and other tools
[09:18] <MaRk-I> can anyone help me why I cant connect with eth0 and router??
[09:19] <kakalto> MaRk-I: April Fools.
[09:19] <MaRk-I> kakalto, sorry I'm on pacific time
[09:19] <sono> the problem is: MY SWAP PART. REPORTS 0 total space... and it is perfectly mounted... that was done automaticly by Ubuntu...
[09:19] <MaRk-I> kakalto, try in another hour or so
[09:20] <lewwy> hey guys, when i try to start synaptic in KDE, it says "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:20] <lewwy> " any suggestions?
[09:20] <sono> Mark-I : WArty or Hoary Mark?
[09:20] <MaRk-I> sono, warty
[09:21] <MaRk-I> I barely install it about 4 days ago and until today finally got connection
[09:21] <sono> did you ever achieved a network connection Mark-I ?
[09:21] <kakalto> aww
[09:21] <MaRk-I> sono, nope not with router
[09:21] <MaRk-I> right now I have it directly to the dsl modem and eth0
[09:22] <sono> have you got an IP Address? could you post  the ifconfig eth0 result?
[09:22] <sono> of course, connected to the router
[09:22] <lewwy> can anyone suggest a course of action for synaptic seeings it is not working?
[09:22] <MaRk-I> sono, ok let me check
[09:23] <sono> ok MaRk-I, then, check if your router has the DHCP turned on by the way
[09:23] <geneo91> lewwy:  try apt-get -f install
[09:23] <lewwy> Music Player is such a ripoff of iTunes its almost sad
[09:23] <lewwy> thx geneo91
[09:23] <sono> are you able to access the router config from your computer? MaRk-I?
[09:24] <lewwy> geneo91, "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 327 not upgraded."
[09:24] <Mestapheles> yeah but apple did not make iTunes, they bouht it
[09:24] <MaRk-I> sono, yes I can
[09:24] <geneo91> lewwy:  now what do you want to do
[09:24] <MaRk-I> sono, http://pastebin.com/265560
[09:24] <MaRk-I> thats my ifconfig results with router
[09:25] <lewwy> geneo91, i want to run synaptic
[09:25] <MaRk-I> how do I check for updates with apt-get??
[09:25] <kakalto> If I have the source code for something, how do I compile it?
[09:26] <sono> ok MaRk-I, your router's connection and IP assignment looks pretty fine so...
[09:26] <lewwy> man, who else here finds people that ask questions with more than one !/? annoying?
[09:26] <MaRk-I> sono I know but it just wont connect at all
[09:26] <ells> tritium: What is up Mike
[09:26] <sono> MArk-I the problem there is lack of internet acces right?
[09:26] <lewwy> geneo91, any ideas?
[09:26] <tritium> ells, hey, just running disk-diagnostics on my laptop
[09:27] <tritium> and just got back from the game earlier
[09:27] <ells> tritium: I have beens so busy with graduation and everything
[09:27] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:27] <tritium> ells, Congratulations!
[09:27] <ells> tritium: did you find out what was wrong
[09:27] <ells> tritium: thanks again
[09:27] <MaRk-I> sono, don't know what it is seriously I can ping sites, I can ping my router etc. but I just wont connect to anything i.e. internet or irc
[09:27] <geneo91> lewwy:  apt-get install synaptic
[09:27] <tritium> ells, not yet, but it's looking like the hardware is okay, so it's likely filesystem
[09:27] <ells> tritium: that will work
[09:28] <Mestapheles> lewwy: "iTunes was developed from SoundJam MP, a popular commercial MP3 application distributed by the Macintosh software company Casady & Greene" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes
[09:28] <netmonk> kakalto, usualy there is a readme file with the source
[09:28] <sono> MaRk-I: strange!  what about firewalls?
[09:28] <kakalto> ahk, thanks netmonk
[09:28] <lewwy> so... did apple actually make anything in OSX?
[09:28] <MaRk-I> sono, hhmmm not that I know of except the router
[09:28] <bdale> hoary-rc... why would the X server fail to initialize the nvidia GLX extension?
[09:28] <lewwy> or is it a compilation of thrown together GNU/Free software?
[09:28] <MaRk-I> sono, but with mdk I even log on wireless
[09:28] <Mestapheles> mybe just Aqua
[09:29] <netmonk> kakalto, usualy ./configure   make    make install
[09:29] <kakalto> is that all in one, or different commands?
[09:29] <sono> ok Mark-I, I had a similar problem with my ehternet card and the iptables package
[09:29] <Mestapheles> since darwin is a ripoff of net abd fbsd.  And I got to say I am not imressed with darwin.  Have you ever tried to run released as per apple?
[09:29] <MaRk-I> sono and what did you do?
[09:30] <sono> after upgrading at warty, to the most recent version available to warty, I had no internet access
[09:30] <sono> I removed the iptables package
[09:30] <geneo91> kakalto:  it 3 commands
[09:30] <kakalto> ahuman01, thanks
[09:30] <kakalto> err
[09:30] <dracflamloc> yay ubuntu is almost done downloadin
[09:30] <sono> unfortunately I couldn't recreate the fault, so my case was somehow useless for the community base.
[09:30] <kakalto> that autocompleted
[09:30] <kakalto> geneo91, thanks
[09:30] <DeadZed> are there any deletable folders in linux .. to regain disk space
[09:31] <dracflamloc> i hope this installs nicely next to my windows server 2003
[09:31] <lewwy> hey guys, I want to remove the DRM from WMA. Is there any applications for linux that will remove this?
[09:31] <geneo91> DeadZed:  apt-get clean
[09:31] <holy_cow> http://labs.google.com/ridefinder
[09:31] <Flonne> DeadZed, "apt-get clean"
[09:31] <dracflamloc> i know one way in windows is just playing the song and having winamp output the playback to a wav
[09:31] <holy_cow> click on one of the taxi links
[09:31] <lewwy> dracflamloc, takes too long
[09:31] <DeadZed> lewwy Ive heard that avisynth in win can be used for DRM
[09:31] <holy_cow> check out the shadow below the fucking popup
[09:31] <kakalto> geneo91, is that ./configure <source file> ?
[09:31] <holy_cow> holy mother of god
[09:31] <holy_cow> heh
[09:31] <DeadZed> Thanks
[09:32] <geneo91> kakalto:  cd into the dir file is in
[09:32] <MaRk-I> sono
[09:32] <Mestapheles> guys, should I be concerned that I found two dirs in my ~ that I did not create after upgrading?
[09:32] <kakalto> then ./configure <file>, right?
[09:32] <sono> yes Mark-I
[09:32] <MaRk-I> this are pings I did to google with router
[09:32] <Mestapheles> they are empty
[09:32] <MaRk-I> mark@mark:~ $ sudo ping www.google.com
[09:32] <MaRk-I> PING www.l.google.com (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[09:32] <MaRk-I> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=86.4 ms
[09:32] <MaRk-I> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=86.2 ms
[09:32] <DeadZed> heh .. apt-get clean gave me 200 MB :)
[09:32] <scott> anyone use rhythmbox? I can't get it to edit the id3 tags of my files. they are -rwxr--r--
[09:33] <kzm> Hi all
[09:33] <sono> Mark-I: well those pings are pretty normal
[09:33] <Dreamer3> are there any tips out there on remastering the Ubuntu live ISO?
[09:34] <MaRk-I> sono, see so how come I cant connect ??
[09:34] <sono> MaRk-I can you access with the w3c browser?
[09:34] <MaRk-I> the card just sits there sending and receiving .5kbs
[09:35] <MaRk-I> sono, sorry don't understand the w3c part
[09:35] <geneo91> MaRk-I:  what is the mtu set at
[09:35] <MaRk-I> 1500
[09:35] <geneo91> change it to 1524
[09:35] <MaRk-I>  BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:36] <MaRk-I> geneo91, I'm a newbie how do I do that?
[09:36] <lewwy> crap, how can i force apt-get to release the lock?
[09:36] <kzm> Hmm....Hoary is in flux, I see (21 new since yesterday)
[09:36] <geneo91> ifconfig mtu 1524 (dev)
[09:36] <kzm> Anybody else have problems running gnome-session?
[09:36] <kzm> (Or know what could be wrong?)
[09:37] <MaRk-I> geneo91, ifconfig eth0 mtu 1524???
[09:37] <geneo91> kzm:  what it doing
[09:37] <sono> yes MaRk-I
[09:37] <MaRk-I> or just the way you wrote it?
[09:37] <siimo> hi anyone have problems with latest nautilus in hoary?? the desktop doesnt REFRESH automatically anymore, gotta hit CTRL+R to see files saved on desktop
[09:37] <kzm> Just displaying the new splash, and hanging.
[09:37] <MaRk-I> thanks
[09:38] <Myrtti> siimo: same problem
[09:38] <kzm> strace says it's doing a poll(), I suspect it is waiting for gconfd or something like that.
[09:38] <Myrtti> thanks for the hint on how to bypass the prob
[09:38] <sono> same problem siimo... but I just downloaded new updates right now...
[09:38] <siimo> Myrtti, it seems theres another update to nautilus again, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade  try if its fixed, im doing it too
[09:39] <geneo91> kzm:  explain what you have done so far after install
[09:39] <siimo> sono, i had downloaded updates last night
[09:39] <Myrtti> siimo: I'll try that at home today
[09:39] <siimo> there seem more again
[09:39] <kzm> Nothing much.  I've s/warty/hoary in sources.list and dist-upgraded
[09:39] <sono> siimo right siimo, I did it too, but new updates are available some hours ago
[09:39] <sono> s/are/were
[09:39] <lewwy> so, anyone know any cool apps that i can wow my brother with?
[09:39] <lewwy> he seems to not like linux atm
[09:40] <kzm> I'm using an .xsession, containing gnome-session as (basically) the only command.
[09:40] <sono> siimo: specially for nautilus
[09:40] <Myrtti> lewwy: games
[09:40] <MaRk-I> neither one works
[09:40] <geneo91> kzm:  you still have warty in list
[09:40] <MaRk-I> mark@mark:~ $ sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1524
[09:40] <MaRk-I> SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
[09:40] <lewwy> Myrtti, suggest some plz
[09:40] <Myrtti> lewwy: scribus, sodipodi, gimp
[09:40] <kzm> list?
[09:40] <siimo> sono, dpkg -l | grep nautilus
[09:40] <Myrtti> lewwy: tuxracer for one
[09:40] <siimo> sono, could you please post exact version you have
[09:40] <geneo91> repositories list
[09:40] <MaRk-I> mark@mark:~ $ sudo ifconfig mtu 1524 eth0
[09:40] <MaRk-I> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[09:40] <MaRk-I> mtu: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[09:40] <MaRk-I> eth0: Unknown host
[09:40] <Myrtti> those others were just good applications
[09:41] <kzm> No.  Well, the CD-ROM.  But it's not available.
[09:41] <siimo> sono, i just got nautilus_2.10.0-0ubuntu8_i386.deb
[09:41] <sono> thats mine as well
[09:42] <dan_t> hello
[09:42] <geneo91> kzm /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:42] <dan_t> i'm just installed ubunto hoary on my ibook but i'm unable to make suspend to work
[09:42] <kzm> geneo91: no warty there.  'least not now -- I removed the CDROM for good measure.
[09:42] <dan_t> there is any known issue ?
[09:43] <sono> Ill restart now, important files were  updated too, and I will tell you about it siimo.
[09:43] <siimo> sono, it was fine 2 days ago
[09:43] <gunnmjk> dan t, i would like to talk to you ;)
[09:43] <siimo> sono, ok
[09:43] <geneo91> kzm thats a problem then
[09:43] <MaRk-I> how do I check for upgrades with apt-get??
[09:43] <MaRk-I> or updates
[09:44] <geneo91> MaRk-I:  apt-get update
[09:44] <kakalto>  ./configure: command not found
[09:44] <kakalto> ahh
[09:44] <kakalto> never mind
[09:44] <kzm> what is?
[09:44] <kakalto> (me silly)
[09:44] <lewwy> kakalto, i think ur silly
[09:44] <Dreamer3> man they keep updating hoary :)
[09:44] <MaRk-I> geneo91, so if it doesn't d/l anything there's no updates to d/l?
[09:44] <Dreamer3> can't wait until release!
[09:45] <kakalto> what's tbz?
[09:45] <siimo> Myrtti, fixed for me :D
[09:45] <kakalto> file format
[09:45] <kakalto> like, what opens it?
[09:45] <geneo91> kzm:  if you have started updaying to hoary and still have warty in list
[09:45] <lewwy> hoary updates....300mb.... :|
[09:45] <kzm> Btw -- and this  h a s  to be a FAQ -- how do I get mplayer with a reasonable set of codecs?
[09:45] <kakalto> kzm, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[09:45] <holycow> does anyone know how to setup setings for printers under cups?  the web gui requires a pass but i can't find one, and an error message says that it has been disabled.  i need to send a printjob to a specific tray.  anyone run into something like this?
[09:46] <kakalto> something like that
[09:46] <kzm> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[09:46] <Dreamer3> are there any tips out there on remastering the Ubuntu live ISO?
[09:46] <kakalto> maybe it's w32codec
[09:46] <Myrtti> siimo: good to know
[09:46] <kakalto> I can't remember
[09:46] <dracflamloc> well here goes nothin
[09:46] <dracflamloc> ubuntu cd booted
[09:46] <tritium> kzm, it's on ftp.nerim.net
[09:47] <dracflamloc> god its amost 3am
[09:47] <kzm> right -- I tried it under warty, but couldn't get it to work.  If it does on hoary, I'll give it a whirl.
[09:47] <MaRk-I> man this is frustrating
[09:47] <MaRk-I> hhmmm
[09:47] <sono> siimo: I just rebooted and found the problem is solved with the last upgrade
[09:47] <lewwy> what the heck does this mean "synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable".  That package isnt availible anywhere...
[09:47] <siimo> sono, yep
[09:47] <kakalto> dracflamloc, april fools, I set your clock forward :P
[09:47] <kzm> tritium: this one? deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main
[09:47] <tritium> kzm, unstable main
[09:47] <siimo> sono, didnt have to reboot. just open a term and 'killall nautilus' :D
[09:48] <dracflamloc> wtfbomb!
[09:48] <sono> siimo: well, that's for nautilus, but as I said, there were core components upgraded too
[09:48] <MaRk-I> wireless broadcom chipsets are not supported are they??
[09:48] <kzm> tritium - hehe, coming from Debian, I'm a bit worried about unstable.  But who wants (his computer) to live forever?
[09:48] <dracflamloc> MaRk-I, if they were i'd wet myself. so if you get one workig let me know
[09:49] <sono> siimo: I am still annoyed by the latest ubuntu-nautilus policy of closing previous window
[09:49] <nuge> there's lot of talk of people that have wireless broadcomm working
[09:49] <MaRk-I> dracflamloc, only with mdk and ndiswrapper I did
[09:49] <nuge> have you checked the forums.. ?
[09:49] <sono> siimo: that's happening after yesterday's upgrade
[09:49] <nuge> ndiswrapper + the windows driver is all you need
[09:49] <brainZzZ> heh all you need is a trailer now
[09:49] <dracflamloc> hm
[09:49] <MaRk-I> dracflamloc, linksys dwmp54gs
[09:50] <lewwy> anyone suggest any good reasons to upgrade horay? (via apt-get)
[09:50] <dracflamloc> ?
[09:50] <lewwy> hoary*
[09:50] <MaRk-I> connected at 125Mbs (or so thats what kwifi says)
[09:50] <dracflamloc> hm
[09:50] <dracflamloc> weird
[09:51] <corza> LoL anyone about Google's NEW Google Gulp ?? http://www.google.com.au/googlegulp/
[09:51] <geneo91> lewwy:  how else you going to update
[09:51] <corza> its very interesting in the fact that its an april fools prank
[09:52] <dracflamloc> oh
[09:52] <lewwy> geneo91, I could update manually via cvs...
[09:52] <dracflamloc> can ubuntu by default mount ntfs drives as readonly
[09:52] <MaRk-I> I might work on this one for wireless but I need to resolve my router problem first
[09:53] <geneo91> lewwy:  go for then
[09:53] <lewwy> geneo91, thats the thing...391mbs worth of update.  I'm looking for a REASON to update
[09:54] <geneo91> wait a few more days and it will be more
[09:54] <geneo91> lewwy:  they are debugging it now
[09:55] <Mestapheles> is getting a notice to install a plugin, selecting it to install, and comming back to the page a sign that there is no ppc plugin?
[09:55] <Mestapheles> firefox
[09:55] <geneo91> Mestapheles:  that just dont work
[09:56] <geneo91> use apt-get or synaptic to install plugins
[09:56] <Mestapheles> should install into /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins right?
[09:57] <geneo91> yes if u use the right thing
[09:57] <turf> geneo91: where could i get flash player for ppc architecture? for my mozilla borser?
[09:58] <Mestapheles> if it were to install with the plugin notice, I believe anyway
[09:58] <scott> anyone use rhythmbox? I can't get it to edit the id3 tags of my files. they are -rwxr--r--
[09:58] <MaRk-I> I still couldn't change the MTU
[09:58] <Mestapheles> I don't think there is a lfash for ppc
[09:58] <cvd> hi all, how do i get Xchat to play a sound when a user sends me a new private message, initiating a conversation?
[09:59] <Mestapheles> I could never get rhythmbox to recognize a change in file name I'd made.  I didn't try hard though
[09:59] <Mestapheles> cvd: preferences
[09:59] <cvd> Mestapheles, which sound preference? there are hundreds of options
[10:00] <MaRk-I> cvd settings/preferences/general check beep on pvt msgs
[10:00] <cvd> MaRk-I, k thanks. is there a way to distinguish between a pvt msg that opens a new tab, and another pvt msg in an existing tab?
[10:00] <Mestapheles> chantting/general/Alerts/beep on ...
[10:00] <MaRk-I> cvd not really
[10:00] <cvd> ok
[10:01] <cvd> thanks guys
[10:01] <MaRk-I> they all beep the same :P
[10:01] <MaRk-I> cvd unless you install the tcl scripts on the xchat page
[10:01] <MaRk-I> plays a diff sound on first msg
[10:02] <A-z-i-z> does Hoary have gnome 2.10 ?
[10:02] <geneo91> yes
[10:02] <Sung> hi
[10:02] <brainZzZ> and yes broadband is availible, even for cheep
[10:02] <A-z-i-z> is it the stable version ?
[10:02] <Sung> can someone help me with ubuntu installation ?
[10:03] <geneo91> yes
[10:03] <Sung> actually i am done installing it.
[10:03] <Mestapheles> ?
[10:03] <bob2`> Sung: it's way easier if you just ask your specific question right up
[10:03] <Sung> but when i reboot it the comp and start running it, it never gets pass checking or loading grub something or another.
[10:03] <Mestapheles> so what's the prob?
[10:03] <lewwy> hey guys, should i feel more secure when i put my credit card details in paypal under linux? (compared to windows)
[10:03] <bob2`> lewwy: less chance of spyware stealing it
[10:03] <bob2`> lewwy: but the same chance of paypal ripping you off
[10:04] <Mestapheles> lol
[10:04] <Sung> i am using a LIVE CD atm.
[10:04] <Sung> but it just automatically reboots the comp.
[10:04] <Sung> over and over again.
[10:04] <bob2`> Sung: did you install windows or sometihng?
[10:04] <lewwy> why does every1 always diss paypal
[10:04] <bob2`> Sung: or install a new kernel?
[10:04] <Mestapheles> I'v never used the live to install from, try installing from reg cd
[10:04] <Sung> windows was already installed.
[10:04] <bob2`> lewwy: because they have a bad history with being honest
[10:04] <MaRk-I> Sung, press F1 for help or F3 for diff booting options
[10:04] <Sung> no i used the real one.
[10:05] <bob2`> lewwy: I'm sure on the whole they're great, but there are examples of them being completely useless
[10:05] <Mestapheles> Sung: windows should have nothing to do with it
[10:05] <bob2`> Sung: did you do anything after the install finished?
[10:05] <Sung> i used the i386 install version.
[10:05] <cvd> MaRk-I, which script has the useful functionality?
[10:05] <bob2`> Mestapheles: unless windows killed grub
[10:05] <Sung> no except take the CD out.
[10:05] <scizzo> A-z-i-z: hoary is not marked stable yet...
[10:05] <Mestapheles> a windows update might mess up the bootloader but that's it asik
[10:05] <Sung> but after it failed i tryed to to switch book sectors on the patitioner
[10:05] <scizzo> A-z-i-z: it is going to be in April sometime
[10:05] <Mestapheles> afaik
[10:05] <geneo91> Sung:  can you mount your linux ext3 partition with live cd
[10:06] <bob2`> Sung: you mean "mark a partition as bootable"?  linux doesn't care about that.
[10:06] <Sung> i dunno .
[10:06] <Sung> oh
[10:06] <Sung> hehe
[10:06] <MaRk-I> cvd, hhmm there's several but some are included already you just have to put them in the ~/.xchat folder to load automatically
[10:06] <FlimFlamMan> does the live cd boot on dual-proc systems?  i tried it on a dual-athlon system, and a friend tried it on a dual ppc system - both failed.  it worked on a single-cpu intel box though
[10:06] <cvd> MaRk-I, thanks
[10:07] <geneo91> FlimFlamMan:  yes
[10:07] <Sung> i am running the live CD on a single processor sys.
[10:07] <MaRk-I> cvd np I'd give you the names but just installed ubuntu and really havent done so in this xchat
[10:07] <holycow> anyone have hoary insist on printing to a4 regardless of settings?
[10:07] <bob2`> FlimFlamMan: it should work fine
[10:07] <FlimFlamMan> geneo91, have you used it on dual-proc system?
[10:07] <Mestapheles> has anyone noticed emplty dirs in ~ after updates or dist-upgrades?
[10:07] <FlimFlamMan> ok...
[10:07] <geneo91> yes this one here
[10:07] <bob2`> FlimFlamMan: it has the same kernel as the install cd
[10:08] <bob2`> Mestapheles: nothing should touch anything in ~/
[10:08] <holycow> i think i haveto change this in the locale ... not to google that
[10:08] <Sung> hmmmm.
[10:08] <FlimFlamMan> actually come to think of it when i tried it on mine i got a coffee-colored background and mouse pointer but no login dialog
[10:08] <brainZzZ> things that make you go hmmmm....
[10:08] <Sung> how do i mount the linux ext3 partition ?
[10:08] <FlimFlamMan> or desktop
[10:08] <bob2`> FlimFlamMan: might be an X problem, or a corrupt cd
[10:08] <FlimFlamMan> cd is ok - worked on another sys
[10:09] <Mestapheles> bob2: well I have two funny empty folder under /home/USER
[10:09] <bob2`> Mestapheles: called?
[10:09] <Sung> so anyone have any advice on what i can do ?
[10:09] <roel> Mestapheles: so you keep saying, which ones?
[10:09] <Mestapheles> one named 'P' and another "ync"
[10:09] <lunitik> haha @ www.planetkde.org and planet.gnome.org
[10:09] <roel> who owns them?
[10:10] <roel> sounds like you typoed or so
[10:10] <Mestapheles> says I do, and there are no other users registered as user either
[10:11] <siimo> hi how do i use UTF8 ?
[10:11] <Sung> should i just reinstall ubunta ?
[10:11] <siimo> or change my encoding to that ?
[10:12] <Mestapheles> I know some utils can be replaced with hacked ones so as to cover trails but can Admin/Users and Groups be hacked fairl easily?
[10:12] <lewwy> anyone want to explain why when i try to install synaptic (i uninstalled it) i get an error saying " synaptic: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 but it is not installable"  I have tried installing the package to do with this, but its older then the one i've got installed.  suggestions?
[10:13] <geneo91> well its bed time here
[10:13] <geneo91> nite all
[10:13] <bob2`> lewwy: on hoary?
[10:13] <brainZzZ> what does a glock have to do with this, exactly?
[10:13] <lewwy> bob2, yeh, on hoary
[10:13] <bob2`> try updating
[10:14] <dracflamloc> um
[10:14] <bob2`> I'd be very very surprised if synaptic was uninstallable atm
[10:14] <dracflamloc> woh
[10:14] <dracflamloc> my laptop touchpad isnt working at the login screen of ubuntu
[10:14] <lewwy> i have like trillians of repositries, this may take a while
[10:14] <bob2`> subterrific: you could just try reinstalling, maybe your disk got corrupted in some weird way
[10:14] <bob2`> lewwy: why?
[10:14] <brainZzZ> it will take a while before you are all the way well and you can relapse if you don't take care
[10:14] <bob2`> what's not in hoary?
[10:14] <dracflamloc> oh here we go
[10:14] <bob2`> brainZzZ: please try to stay on topic
[10:14] <brainZzZ> try to stay on topic
[10:15] <holycow> anyone know which dpkg-reconfigure command lets one changed the default page size?
[10:15] <lewwy> bob2, just did what wiki told me
[10:15] <bob2`> lewwy: no wiki page tells you to add lots of random untrusted and untested lines to your sources.list
[10:16] <lewwy> bob2, actually theres not millions, and i only did what wiki told me to do
[10:16] <bob2`> lewwy: *what* wiki?
[10:16] <lewwy> bob2, sides, security = not a big issue
[10:16] <dracflamloc> um
[10:17] <dracflamloc> whats the default root password for ubuntu
[10:17] <lewwy> bob2, bugger now i have to find it, hope ur happy
[10:17] <bob2`> dracflamloc: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:17] <bob2`> lewwy: I want to correct such misinformation
[10:17] <siimo> LOL nice april fools login screen on hoary
[10:17] <lewwy> go ahead bob2
[10:18] <bob2`> oh lordy
[10:18] <lewwy> bob2, op me!
[10:19] <bob2`> lewwy: I will fix it when you give me the url ...
[10:19] <lewwy> crap, wheres the sources directory?
[10:19] <bob2`> directory?  or the sources.list file?
[10:19] <MaRk-I> lol
[10:19] <lewwy> where would have dpkg-source: extracting synaptic in synaptic-0.55+cvs20050330 gone too?
[10:20] <bob2`> lewwy: the directory you're in
[10:20] <bob2`> lewwy: why are you rebuilding synaptic?
[10:20] <lewwy> i dont think thats any of your business bob2`
[10:21] <MaRk-I> dang
[10:21] <bob2`> just wondering if there was a reason or not
[10:21] <lewwy> lol
[10:21] <scott> is it true that neither muine or rhytmbox can edit id3 tags?
[10:21] <lewwy> bob2`,  theres sorta a reason
[10:21] <lewwy> bob2`, im hoping it'll fix me apt problems
[10:21] <bob2`> lewwy: it won't
[10:22] <bob2`> unless you magically got a version of synaptic no one else has
[10:22] <bob2`> which is unlikely
[10:22] <lewwy> i mean, synaptic problems
[10:22] <dracflamloc> whats the best way to make sure that the nvidia-drivers are installed correctl
[10:22] <dracflamloc> y
[10:22] <bob2`> dracflamloc: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto