[15:36] <tim> padhu?
[15:36] <padhu> ikonia: is live CDs contain gparted?
[15:36] <neongas> OerHeks, seems a bug then, doesn't it? If you can reproduce it, please report.
[15:36] <padhu> tim: what?
[15:36] <ikonia> it contains parted
[15:36] <sudormrf> padhu, yes, live CDs contain gparted
[15:36] <tim> gnome .. after last reboot, after login.. ubuntu faill message end backrogund screen, mouse only remains
[15:36] <Beldar> padhu, Yes gparted is on the live ubuntu
[15:37] <OerHeks> neongas, afaik it is not a bug, i never succeeded with an iso on the same HDD, booting from it and install on the same hdd
[15:38] <eoeo> somebody knows about the problem??
[15:38] <tim> padhu gnome .. after last reboot, after login.. ubuntu faill message end backrogund screen, mouse only remains
[15:40] <tim> gnome .. after last reboot, after login.. ubuntu faill message end backrogund screen, mouse only remains..?? any halp?
[15:40] <DarkAceXtreme> is there a way to connect to a wireless network (WiFi) via a terminal command?
[15:40] <gamera> Does anyone know how I enable scroll lock on Ubuntu trusty? The button does nothing.
[15:41] <bazhang> DarkAceXtreme, sudo dhclient wlan0
[15:42] <neongas> OerHeks,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/684280
[15:42] <SteelGolem> wow, 1800 users, wasn't expecting that kind of load
[15:43] <erry> How do you turn off the screenreader?
[15:43] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, and about 15 are active :D
[15:43] <SteelGolem> i read the rules but i don't see anything about whether this was specifically a help channel only, or if chitchat is allowed
[15:43] <erry> oh i see.
[15:44] <OerHeks> neongas, old bugreport, 2010-12-02
[15:44] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, it is a help channel.  #ubuntu-offtopic is used for chit-chat.
[15:46] <OerHeks> neongas, keep lkooking for bugreports if you want, i say it is a no go.
[15:46] <SteelGolem> sudormrf thanks
[15:46] <OerHeks> neongas, by the way, that bugreport is invalid too
[15:46] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, no worries.  if you have a question make sure to ask away!
[15:46] <padhu> tim: I resolved the same problem long time before. I forgot the solution
[15:47] <neongas> OerHeks, see the last comment on that bug
[15:47] <SteelGolem> i'm a linux newbie so i'm going to keep the questions as few as possible
[15:47] <mos_> ла ла Россия
[15:48] <mos_> нууу
[15:48] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, we all start somewhere and we are all in some stage of learning.  Do not be afraid to ask, no matter how trivial it may seem.  Also, a good place to start learning a lot of things is the man page for whatever you are curious about.
[15:49] <KGM70> !ru | mos_
[15:49] <bazhang> !manual | SteelGolem and here
[15:49] <SteelGolem> sudormrf no i mean, i'm going to google as hard as i can, ideally i'll find most of the answers there
[15:49] <mos_> мне не нужна помошь.
[15:49] <DarkAceXtreme> didn't work
[15:49] <DarkAceXtreme> oh well
[15:49] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, I would say man page first, google second.
[15:49] <mos_> hello
[15:49] <bazhang> mos_, speak english here thanks
[15:49] <SteelGolem> time to learn man then
[15:50] <mos_> begin LOL end
[15:50] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, man is a command.  so you do something like man COMMAND
[15:51] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, to learn all about man, from a CLI type man man
[15:51] <SteelGolem> sudormrf a "CLI" must be the equivalent to cmd.exe
[15:51] <SteelGolem> still trying to find everything
[15:51] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, correct.  CLI = command line interface.  also called the terminal
[15:52] <logikos> After upgrading our server to 14.04 LTS our virtual hosts now respond with a 403 error to the browser
[15:52] <sudormrf> SteelGolem, if you are using unity click the top left icon (ubuntu logo) and type "terminal" in the search box.
[15:52] <logikos> any idea where i start to resolve this issue please?
[15:52] <SteelGolem> oh good, that helps, thanks sudormrf!
[15:52] <bazhang> !rute | SteelGolem also this
[15:53] <sudormrf> bazhang, nice one :)
[15:53] <bazhang> SteelGolem, the ubuntu.manpages.com is on the net
[15:53] <SteelGolem> bazhang i figured as much, but i want to get use dto using a terminal again anyways
[15:53] <SteelGolem> especially a *nix terminal
[16:02] <randolph`> test
[16:10] <wad> Hey guys. Does the google.com rubicks cube work for you guys? Mine just emits a message saying I need to use Chrome, Firefox, or Safari. I'm using Chromium, does that not work?
[16:11] <wad> (By the way, I *love* that it doesn't work with IE.)
[16:12] <randolph`> Works on firefox nightly on ubuntu 14.04
[16:13] <wad> Yeah, mine works on firefox. Wish it worked on Chromium.
[16:14] <wad> I wonder what it does if you solve the cube....
[16:14]  * wad is tempted to try.
[16:15] <uri-> hi
[16:15] <uri-> i have a problem with amule, some files are 100% complete but never goes green, never complete
 whats happens
[16:16] <prodnix> hi all, im using trusty, need some tips as ive come over from debian. I need "People near by" in empathy and a decent replacement for alacarte for subitems and such. thanx in advance for any help.
[16:17] <OerHeks>  uri- looks like you need to share back to a certain % before your files are released.
[16:17] <OerHeks> uri-, bad luck for you :-D
[16:19] <allen> hey folks, any ever see some programs that don't see all their drives. All drives work and are available in the file manager, and by most programs, but i have a few that only see the main drive. any thoughts ?
[16:22] <prodnix> allen: Have you checked under /media/username/drive_name?
[16:23] <joao> Hi guys
[16:23] <joao> how can i change screen without a special keyboard key?
[16:23] <joao> I want change to my hdmi television
[16:23] <joao> what can i do?
[16:25] <prodnix> joao: Not sure what you mean by "without special key" but u can make a launcher that runs a xrandr command
[16:25] <joao> special key mean fn + f8 in my notebook keyboard
[16:25] <allen> prodnix, thanks this is only my second day running ubuntu, loving it so far
[16:25] <allen> and that worked
[16:26] <joao> prodnix - how can i do that?
[16:26] <joao> runs a xrandr command?
[16:27] <prodnix> joao: Sorry, im not sure that would suit your situation.
[16:27] <Mantissa> My boot time is very long due to trusty being installed on my slower drive. Could I re-partition my /boot/ onto my faster drive?
[16:27] <wols_> Mantissa: that won't make it boot faster
[16:28] <gamera> wols_: it would if the computer booted from that drive
[16:28] <kchengue> hi
[16:29] <wols_> gamera: /boot only has grub, the kernel and initrd. that is all loaded inside 1 second or two. it's all the rest in userspace which takes that long
[16:29] <Mantissa> Should I install trusty to my faster drive and just put /home/ on the slower one instead?
[16:29] <joao> prodnix - i understand. But is there a option inside of video or display configuration that changes screen?
[16:29] <gamera> Mantissa: probably
[16:30] <prodnix> Im with wols_ on this 1
[16:30] <gamera> I suggest making a copy of your added repositories and installed packages beforehand though.
[16:31] <wols_> Mantissa: yes. easily
[16:31] <Suboru> hello all
[16:31] <Mantissa> Okay thanks I shall do that
[16:32] <Suboru> I've tried to install AMD catalyst driver to my Ubuntu 14.02 box. and after that there is only blank screen what should I do? please help
[16:32] <Suboru> 14.04
[16:32] <fartface> I'm trying to VNC to a headless Ubuntu 14.04 box running Vino, but every time I do, I just get a black screen.  If it has a monitor hooked up to it, Vino and VNC work fine, but the whole point of me wanting VNC/Vino is not needing a monitor.  I can't seem to find any help, anyone have any ideas of where I should even look for a configuration file or something I can see where the error is?
[16:32] <Guest53878>  I am trying to find the right repository to use for saucy for x2goserver
[16:34] <Guest53878> I would like to add it manually to sources.list if possible.
[16:35] <prodnix> fartface: I hate to sound a dick but try using console. more powerful than any desktop environment
[16:35] <williamtdr> yey consoles
[16:35] <fartface> prodnix: I am primarily using console, but I need a desktop for certain things
[16:35] <williamtdr> seriously, you'll resist it at first
[16:35] <Suboru> how to install ati catalyst driver for the Ubuntu 14.04
[16:35] <Suboru> ?
[16:35] <williamtdr> but hwne you're done it's twice as efficent
[16:37] <Guest53878> prodnix:  not for graphics
[16:37] <fartface> True, but set up a virtual machine with specific settings, using a specific path, launching an ISO that's located in another path from the console vs the like, 4 clicks it takes from the DE.  There are applications for both, hence why I'm asking, and not just using the console exclusively.
[16:37] <Guest53878> fartface: x2go is lightyears better
[16:37] <fartface> Guest53878: than vino?
[16:37] <Guest53878> vino?
[16:38] <fartface> I was trying to use vnc4server like I was with 12.04, but it just *won't* work right with 14.04 gnome for some reason
[16:38] <KGM70> Guest53878, http://wiki.x2go.org/doku.php/doc:installation:x2goserver
[16:38] <fartface> Guest53878: What is x2go better than?
[16:39] <Guest53878> vnc
[16:40] <Guest53878> but if it isn't your server then you are stuck with vnc
[16:40] <fartface> If I was connecting solely from linux machines, it might be.
[16:40] <fartface> But I'm not, so it isn't.
[16:40] <Guest53878> you can connect FROM anything to an x2goserver
[16:40] <prodnix> I use xen daily and I have given up on any GUI tool. I know where i am with a config file and nano. Cant trust those pesky GUIs lol
[16:40] <Guest53878> but only TO linux machines
[16:41] <KGM70> Guest53878, python-X2Go is in the repos
[16:41] <Guest53878> yes I use x2go,  it is the x2go server I can't find
[16:41] <Guest53878> x2goserver
[16:42] <Suboru> HEEEEEEEEEELPPPP!
[16:42]  * ichat shoots to kill
[16:42] <ichat> no screeming and shouting :P
[16:42] <prodnix> did you rub it so hard that it caught fire?
[16:43] <SteelGolem> they make a lotion for that
[16:44] <Suboru> i need fucking help!!!
[16:44] <SteelGolem> i'll say.
[16:44] <IdleOne> Suboru: Keep the language clean please
[16:44] <prodnix> Suboru: Did u install from the repo?
[16:45] <Suboru> prodnix yes I've tried both cases
[16:45] <Suboru> official repo and amd zip
[16:45] <prodnix> what hardware you got?
[16:45] <Suboru> prodnix I have 6850
[16:45] <Suboru> not sure about the board
[16:46] <Suboru> sorry for my bad english
[16:46] <prodnix> ye just the card is fine
[16:46] <Suboru> prodnix are u using same hardware?
[16:46] <prodnix> i cant help you. would have thought it would work just fine
[16:47] <prodnix> Suboru: I use open drivers sorry
[16:47] <Suboru> when I run sudo startx
[16:47] <Suboru> there is
[16:48] <Suboru> fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID )
[16:48] <kfizz_> New build. System boots up fine. Installed Ubuntu. However, I can't get the system to reboot or shut down unless I hold the power button. Even from the BIOS it won't reboot. When I select reboot, all peripherals get disconnected, but the case fans and CPU fan stay on. MoBo: MSI Z87I; RAM: 4GB PNY; SSD: Patriot 60GB; CPU: Intel i3-4150 Any idea what would keep the system from powering off?
[16:50] <SteelGolem> i may be a noob, but that sounds like sleep mode to me, kfizz_
[16:50] <YOUR_MOM> indeed
[16:51] <Suboru> MOM please help
[16:51] <SteelGolem> MOM i'm hungry
[16:51] <kfizz_> SteelGolem, it's very similar to sleep mode. But it's like it's getting 99% of the way to powering off, but then it doesn't actually power off.
[16:52] <prodnix> kfizz_: You tryed restoring to default bios settings and see if that solves it?
[16:52] <prodnix> kfizz_: or just short the cmos pins
[16:52] <kfizz_> prodnix, yes. UPdated to most recent BIOS. Returned the MoBo, got a new one thinking the original one was defective, but same results.
[16:52] <YOUR_MOM> I'll gave you life son
[16:53] <prodnix> kfizz_: have you got another PSU for testies?
[16:53] <kfizz_> Only other thing I can think of is the PSU, but I'm not sure what role it plays in the shut down process.
[16:53] <kfizz_> prodnix, no. But I think I may just return this one for a new one and see if that helps.
[16:54] <Node_448> how do i install latest nvidia drivers? i dont want nouvea bullshit ones
[16:54] <Node_448> i got cancer from using nouvea drivers
[16:54] <OerHeks> Node_448, tone down your language please
[16:55] <Node_448> if you tell me how to install 'em
[16:55] <Node_448> because ubuntu repo has version from 2007
[16:55] <Node_448> which isnt very usefl
[16:55] <prodnix> kfizz_: Your PC may have turned off but if your PSU isntr shutting down properly then your fans will keep running. Are you sure your PSU doesnt have a cooldown feature which keeps the fans runnin for a minute or 2 after poweroff?
[16:56] <Node_448> ubuntu drivers are worse than aids
[16:56] <kfizz_> prodnix, I don't think so. I've even let the computer sit for 10 minutes after shut down to see if that was the case.
[16:57] <YOUR_MOM> Node_448 -> ubuntu drivers are very good
[16:57] <prodnix> kfizz_: If you have run the system at default settings then I suspect the PSU but Im guessing. Good luck
[16:57] <kfizz_> prodnix, thanks
[16:58] <OerHeks> kfizz_, sounds like a ACPI issue, check your bios and manual
[17:03] <YOUR_MOM> I'm leaving my guys by my sons
[17:03] <robbie> how can I mount my ntfs data drive as read-write instead of read-only?
[17:04] <boze> is there anyway to bind a specific window to a hotkey? like make it pop-up and minimize?
[17:05] <kchengue> yei
[17:07] <robbie> you should be able to make key assignments to commands -- you have to find the wm command to use first I guess
[17:07] <boze> robbie: wm == windows manager?
[17:08] <robbie> how can I mount my ntfs data drive as read-write instead of read-only? I tried remounting it:  sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=000 UUID=FOOOOBAAAA3 /media/ntfs1 (UUID different but otherwise like that)
[17:08] <robbie> boze: yea
[17:08] <robbie> it still comes up read-only
[17:10] <robbie> oo I think I found my own answer just guessing: add to -o a "rw" tag too
[17:10] <robbie> it is rw now but Im not certain that I won't damage the data if I try to write to it
[17:10] <SGnix> there's only one way to find out, robbie
[17:11] <robbie> :) yes, taht is to find out before you screw anything up!
[17:12] <robbie> SGnix: you think I have it right, then?
[17:13] <SGnix> sorry, i'm really new to *nix, i've got no idea
[17:13] <fridaynext> I've set up an AFP share from my Ubuntu 12.04 server for Time Machine backups, but this pops up about once every 2 months http://share.pho.to/5gIkf
[17:13] <fridaynext> is there any way to make TM backups to Ubuntu more reliable?
[17:14] <grimeton> so, when upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 and there is secrets.tdb in /var/lib/samba or /var/lib/samba/private it stops configuring the packages and the upgrade fails
[17:21] <Draconis> hi running ubuntu 14.04 and fullscreen video is a bit laggy. windowed is fine. This applies to youtube etc. I've tried proprietary ATI drivers and the open source driver. Anyone experience this before?
[17:28] <daftykins> Draconis: what's the system spec?
[17:29] <Beldar> Draconis, Youtube has different qualities they call it, in download info, you checking this and have made sure this is a valid concern with your hardware setup.
[17:30] <Kekai> Can Ubuntu be ran off a netbook with a 1GB of ram?
[17:31] <Draconis> daftykins, Beldar I found a solution for chrome where you override software rendering to enabled in the chrome://flags
[17:31] <Draconis> this makes fullscreen lag dissapear. Once again ATI dissapoints heh
[17:35] <Edna93> Does anyone know how to install Ubuntu using the minimal CD? Whenever I boot it (after doing everything in UNetbootin) all I see is a black screen with some white error text about no operating system found. :(
[17:35] <Locke2002> Kekai: Ubuntu maybe, maybe not. Lubuntu seems to fare ok
[17:35] <forzajuve> xiO
[17:35] <forzajuve> CIAO
[17:35] <forzajuve> !LIST
[17:37] <Beldar> Draconis, The perils of open source in general. ;)
[17:41] <r3v3rb> guys I need to add my ftpusr to my www-data group so that I can alter files/directories when logged in via ftp - how can I do that?
[17:41] <r3v3rb> and gals too :)
[17:43] <daftykins> r3v3rb: man chgrp
[17:43] <r3v3rb> daftykins: I’l read it but fear I’ll be back :)
[17:43] <daftykins> in that case you won't have read it!
[17:44] <r3v3rb> daftykins: maybe not, I read change thegroup of each file as the opposite of what I want though
[17:45] <r3v3rb> surely I want to be able to add my ftpusr to another group? not change all the files groups
[17:46] <daftykins> r3v3rb: my bad, 'man usermod'
[17:46] <verodeb> hi
[17:46] <verodeb> is there any kind of dependencies between postgresql 9.1 and cron
[17:46] <verodeb> ??
[17:46] <verodeb> yesterday i was having problems with cron so i decided to reinstall cron i did a "apt-get remove cron --purge"
[17:47] <verodeb> and it removed all postgresql packages
[17:47] <verodeb> too
[17:47] <r3v3rb> daftykins: no problem :)
[17:47] <r3v3rb> btw, wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0pFZG7j5cE
[17:47] <allen> prodnix, if your still around, thanks for the help, sorry for the delay getting back to you, breakfast was ready :)
[17:48] <prodnix> allen:  no problems :)
[17:48] <allen> i had looked under mnt folder, thinking that was right because the drives are mounted, but didn't realize about the media one
[17:49] <rra> hey, I just installed lubuntu in dual boot with win 7. I 'm having 2 problems. 1. Lubuntu drops to intframs 2. WIn7 is not recognised in the grub or even by the pc prober. help?
[17:49] <allen> i can' t get over the differences between this and mint, this is much more stable, and way faster
[17:49] <Dreadlish> if it drops to initramfs it just can't mount root.
[17:49] <Dreadlish> at most
[17:49] <paperman> wow. I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 on intel i5 3 GHz with 6GB ram. I have grooveshark playing, opened couple imgur albums on r/malefashionadvice, and songs started skipping. mouse stuck. wow. windows 8 i can run 3x more applications smoothly simultaneously
[17:49] <paperman> typing this message was a pain
[17:50] <robbie> why doesn't my sound show 5.1 output?
[17:50] <rra> Dreadfish, I tried boot repair
[17:50] <allen> paperman, something must be wrong then bud, i have several graphics programs open, plus web browser wth multi-tabs, and this, and there is no issue at all
[17:50] <Beldar> rra, You save the bootinfo summary from bootrepair?
[17:51] <Dreadlish> paperman: i dont have any issues
[17:51] <paperman> allen: what could be the issue?
[17:51] <paperman> the only thing I can think of is I didn't specify any swap space during install
[17:51] <booo_> ciao
[17:51] <booo_> !list
[17:51] <rra> er, I made a persistance disc so maybe it might be there?
[17:51] <allen> paperman, sorry man, i'm a total noob myself, but there are some very knowledgable guys in here
[17:51] <paperman> this has been going on for a while
[17:52] <robbie> I have a solution in my system's local wiki for adding 5.1 to this system from years ago, on the 12.04 build I think, but by now I don't think I should have to go and configure custom drivers from pulseaudio-ac3's alsa-lib
[17:52] <allen> paperman, and i'm transferring files between external HD's with no issues, and all that other stuff running :)
[17:52] <Beldar> rra, That was given as a url, use the app again and just run the bootinfo summary only and send me the url, use nicks here.
[17:52] <Dreadlish> paperman: swap is redundant with such amount of ram
[17:52] <paperman> yes, thats what I thought
[17:52] <Dreadlish> paperman: it wouldn't be used at all.
[17:52] <paperman> but then why is my OS freezing up?
[17:53] <rra> ok Beldar, I'll post itin abit
[17:53] <Beldar> paperman, If you want to hibernate swap is needed is all.
[17:53] <Dreadlish> check average load
[17:53] <Dreadlish> check what gets at most resources
[17:53] <Dreadlish> and so on
[17:53] <Beldar> rra, Thanks. ;)
[17:53] <paperman> how do I do that? Dreadlish?
[17:54] <Dreadlish> some kind of htop or something like that
[17:54] <Dreadlish> iotop for disk usage
[17:54] <paperman> is that an app?
[17:54] <mbff> Question: I am looking for a tool I saw on HackerNews that you installed on a server and when you ssh and visit a localhost you can see you server performance and stuff. It was kinda like new relic
[17:55] <paperman> ok, my computer is practically unusable. I will restart and be back.
[17:55] <Beldar> mbff, This is ubuntu support for apps in the ubuntu repos.
[17:55] <allen> so any photographers in here today ?
[17:55] <robbie> how do I use my system's 5.1 audio instead of sterio?
[17:56] <allen> i'm interested in knowing what some people are currently using for a photo workflow
[17:56] <lonix> mbff: Are you pherhaps refering to Byobu
[17:56] <mbff> nope. thanks though
[17:56] <Beldar> allen, This is support for actual issues polling is not really part of the schema, just a heads up is all.
[17:57] <JohnOliverIsAwes> Hey guys... I'm installing Ubuntu 12.04 on my sister's laptop. There's something weird going on. I can connect to my Wifi router administration pages, but not to the internet. Other devices on the same network have no problems browsing.
[17:57] <mbff> this was a ruby app or something that display a web page showing real time server stats.
[17:57] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: "nslookup google.com" and "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" in a terminal result in...?
[17:57] <allen> ok Beldar, recommend somewhere i may find someone to discuss that sort of thing ?
[17:57] <Beldar> JohnOliverIsAwes, You are accessing through the browser right? This using wifi?
[17:58] <OerHeks> allen, i use gimp and darktable, see the ubuntustudio-photography package
[17:58] <robbie> JohnOliverIsAwes: does netstat -rn have a <IP_ADDRESS> destination at the top?
[17:58] <paperman> Hi, I'm back. trying to solve my ubuntu freezing up problem.
[17:58] <JohnOliverIsAwes> Beldar- yes
[17:58] <Beldar> allen, Not sure to be honest, not really within my pay scale, research you can do. ;)
[17:58] <paperman> could google chrome be responsible f?
[17:59] <daftykins> paperman: certainly. have you memtest'd?
[17:59] <allen> Beldar, no worries man, i have found some forum info, but some of them are kinda old, was just hoping to chat with a live body lol
[17:59] <Beldar> JohnOliverIsAwes, Hmm that is strange, not sure myself.
[17:59] <allen> OerHeks, would you be ok with a pm ?
[17:59] <paperman> daftykins: no, how do I do that? On day 2 on ubuntu. sorry
[17:59] <Beldar> allen, Cool, there is the #ubuntu-offtopic, and ##linux are two I can think of. ;)
[17:59] <robbie> Question: how do I use my system's 5.1 audio instead of sterio?
[18:00] <daftykins> paperman: hold left shift just before your system is about to boot from the hard disk, then look for the memtest boot option
[18:00] <robbie> JohnOliverIsAwes: does "netstat -rn" have a <IP_ADDRESS> destination at the top?
[18:00] <daftykins> !memtest
[18:00] <paperman> Robbilie: under sound setting you can change from stereo to 5.1
[18:00] <robbie> paperman: it doesn't show up
[18:00] <allen> Beldar, thanks very much, i'll keep the questions here to technical issues
[18:00] <daftykins> wow, ubottu
[18:00] <paperman> Robbilie: can you paste a screenshot of your sound setting dialog box?
[18:01] <hploser> can lubuntu do what ubuntu can do as far as for the normal user..?
[18:02] <robbie> paperman: I could if it was important .. there are just two options, both sterio, in Output: Digital Output (S/PDIF) Built-in Audio ... and Analog Output Built-in Audio
[18:02] <Beldar> daftykins, a few of our favorite ubottu links have been removed I tend to check here at times. http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=wifi
[18:02] <daftykins> Beldar: :D thanks
[18:02] <Beldar> ;)
[18:02] <JohnOliverIsAwes> robbie - yeah.. there is a <IP_ADDRESS> at the top of the dedtination column
[18:03] <robbie> paperman: but I have a 5.1 system and in a earlier version of ubuntu I got it to work .. just now on 14.04 I have to find it again.
[18:03] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: you haven't run my two commands yet.
[18:04] <robbie> JohnOliverIsAwes:  does it have flags "UG" and point to the Same iface as the 192.168 destination?
[18:05] <hploser> can lubuntu do what ubuntu can do as far as for the normal user..?
[18:05] <JohnOliverIsAwes> robbie - Yeah! It's like you're looking at my laptop!
[18:05] <Beldar> hploser, yes, just a bit more configs than gui to tweak
[18:06] <daftykins> robbie: really, DNS is far more likely
[18:06] <robbie> JohnOliverIsAwes: sounds like the router has to be configured to allow your machine to connect to the internet -- they might be using MAC address restrictions or something
[18:06] <Beldar> hploser, You are linked to the ubuntu repos with lubuntu, it is all there.
[18:06] <hploser> Beldar, Well, Ubuntu 13.10 is feeling sluggish, everything slow to open and reaction time is bad...
[18:07] <robbie> daftykins, JohnOliverIsAwes - daftykins is right -- I was assuming a network issue because he said everyoneone else's connection (and their DNS) were working
[18:07] <hploser> Beldar, This system has 2.8GB ram..I thought it should be able to run Ubuntu fast and with no problem, but something doesn't feel right.
[18:07] <JohnOliverIsAwes> robbie- Nope..I'm the router admin. I checked the MAC filter list, and there are no bans active.
[18:07] <legatux> who-s here_
[18:07] <Beldar> hploser, 32 or 64 bit?
[18:07] <legatux> ?
[18:07] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: can you run the commands i recommended now please? "nslookup google.com" should return a bunch of IP addresses.
[18:07] <hploser> Beldar, 32-bit
[18:08] <legatux> holy.... IRC still alive!!
[18:08] <Beldar> hploser, You might be swapping you can change that, just a guess at this point.
[18:08] <robbie> JohnOliverIsAwes: okay, I pass to daftykins: looking like he's got it
[18:08] <daftykins> legatux: this channel is for support only, if you have a question feel free to ask it, otherwise please join #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[18:09] <robbie> how can I get 5.1 sound option to show up on 14.04 ?
[18:09] <JohnOliverIsAwes> robbie - alright thanks!
[18:09] <legatux> i do have a question. im unable to download all my content from Ubuntu one at once. Ive upgraded to 14.04
[18:09] <Beldar> !patience > robbie
[18:09] <hploser> Beldar, Well I wa just guessing that lubuntu may run faster...
[18:09] <hploser> Beldar, of course it may not..
[18:10] <rra> Hey Beldar, here is the log url http://paste.ubuntu.com/7489628/
[18:10] <Beldar> hploser, It is a bit lighter for sure, less gpu and cpu used for sure.
[18:10] <robbie> beldar - give me a break man, it's been some minutes since I asked last :)
[18:10] <JohnOliverIsAwes> daftykins - yeah..there's a bunch of ips listed
[18:10] <homeX11> Hello I'm using Ubuntu but somehow i cann't get Vidalia to work
[18:10] <homeX11> I always get errors starting it
[18:10] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: and what happens when you type "ping google.com" ? does it get replies successfully?
[18:11] <legatux> someone know how download all Ubuntu One content? i have quite a bit data to take off
[18:11] <JohnOliverIsAwes> daftykins- nope..the ping doesnt work.i tried thst already to rule out browser issue
[18:11] <legatux> private message acceptedf
[18:11] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: can you run "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" ?
[18:12] <JohnOliverIsAwes> daftykins - hang on.. the ping google.com is working
[18:13] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: interesting. did you say this is a clean 12.04.4 install, or a live session?
[18:13] <JohnOliverIsAwes> daftykins- but the browser still doesnt open google!
[18:14] <daftykins> we're talking about firefox here?
[18:14] <Beldar> rra, Not exactly sure, however I see uefi notations, this is a uefi computer that has a msdos partition table correct?
[18:14] <JohnOliverIsAwes> daftykins- a live usb session. laptop already has win 7. But there were issues with that, hemce the install
[18:15] <daftykins> JohnOliverIsAwes: what's wrong with 7?
[18:17] <Roel> Hello
[18:17] <legatux> anyone manages Ubuntu One
[18:17] <Roel> I have developed a good functioning Gothic keyboard for ubuntu
[18:17] <Roel> where can I go to to ask if it might be useful for an official Ubuntu release?
[18:17] <legatux> as of to take down all contents off Ubuntu 1_
[18:17] <legatux> ?
[18:17] <Beldar> legatux, It gas been discontinued
[18:17] <Beldar> has*
[18:18] <rra> Beldar, so any suggestions?
[18:18] <lduros> when I run a 'tar czf' command as my regular user I have no problem, however in a rc0.d/ script I get the following: tar: Options `-[0-7][lmh]' not supported by *this* tar
[18:18] <lduros> this only happens when it is run at shutdown
[18:18] <lduros> not with my regular user even using sudo, is it using a different tar? Which tar should I use? :)
[18:19] <Beldar> rra, I would put that url in this thread, best help around concentrated on this area, besides on occasio here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[18:19] <legatux> Beldar - I know, that's why i want my data off
[18:19] <daftykins> legatux: only volunteers are here, i can only direct you to ubuntu one emails you may have received to do with the closing down to try for some contact details
[18:19] <Beldar> legatux, And you can't?
[18:19] <legatux> Beldar / i cannot
[18:19] <rra> Beldar, I did http://paste.ubunintu.com/7489628/ here it is aga
[18:20] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - Phone battery died... on a different laptop now. So yeah.. any ideas on what's possibly wrong with the LiveUSB?
[18:20] <Beldar> rra, Dead link, I'm not sure I understand as well.
[18:20] <legatux> daftykins - define contact details. i have receive that mail so, i want all my data off
[18:20] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - dammit nick changed. This is JohnOliverIsAwes
[18:21] <daftykins> legatux: email, phone.. support links...
[18:21] <rra> Beldar, oh sorry,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7489628/ here
[18:21] <onlygod1>  i'm using a usb 3g modem, but i don't find out why it sucks at connecting ... http://pastebin.com/gE5J71cr
[18:21] <onlygod1>  and this way i've configured wvdial.conf http://pastebin.com/EXnNaEsV
[18:21] <daftykins> qwebirc589068: ok, what's wrong with windows 7?
[18:21] <legatux> daftykings - i'll try looking other places
[18:22] <Beldar> rra, Post it to that thread at the ubuntu forums.
[18:22] <Beldar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[18:22] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - Don't know.. like I said.. it boots to a guest session by default..doesn't show any files or anything. Plus, it's become really, really slow.. to the point of unusability. I didn't bother doing anymore troubleshooting, since I had the LiveUSB
[18:23] <Beldar> rra, The people who work on that thread are online US day time, you will get an answer today, probably quite soon.
[18:23] <daftykins> qwebirc589068: i see, well there's not much use diagnosing a live session, so you need to decide whether you're fixing windows or installing ubuntu :)
[18:23] <skinux> I've been having problems with Ubuntu warning about low disk space. but it's inconsistent and inaccurante. 3 days in a row it was warning less than 100MB remaining (decreasing each time) and then yesterday it warned that only 1.1GB was available.
[18:24] <franzhblake> hi
[18:24] <Beldar> skinux, How big is the HD and how full is it?
[18:24] <franzhblake> I have a little problem with ubuntu 14.04
[18:24] <franzhblake> I got once a day a kernel panic
[18:24] <daftykins> franzhblake: please ask with detail on one line
[18:24] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - Definitely installing Ubuntu. But it doesn't help if the net doesn't work.
[18:24] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - And just as I say that..it's back and working magically..
[18:24] <skinux> I have 'home', 'www' and 'opt' directories on a separate partition and have removed software since the warnings started happening.
[18:24] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - let me run the same terminal commands and check if anything changed
[18:24] <daftykins> qwebirc589068: is the flash drive 12.04.4 ?
[18:24] <franzhblake> daftykins, ok, sorry, I have one kernel panic a day, and don't know why, it happens only with ubuntu
[18:26] <skinux> 31.6GB total, says 29.1 used right now
[18:26] <daftykins> skinux: can you pastebin "df -h" ?
[18:26] <Beldar> skinux, You should not have that full period to be honest ssd or not, a ssd actually is supposed to have a unused space.
[18:27] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - no... it's <IP_ADDRESS> LTS
[18:27] <daftykins> franzhblake: hmm, some logs if possible would be handy but kernel panics are out of my experience i'm afraid.
[18:27] <Beldar> skinux, read this link on that issue. https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[18:27] <skinux> http://pastebin.com/1kRRRLKk
[18:27] <daftykins> qwebirc589068: ok, if you do install i would fully update the system over a wired network connection if it has one
[18:28] <Voyage> how can I access a remote ms access database?
[18:28] <qwebirc589068> daftykins - yeah.. installing now, and I've checked download updates during install.. lemme find out how it goes. Thanks for the help!
[18:32] <franzhblake> http://i57.tinypic.com/28vszeg.jpg
[18:33] <skinux> Beldar: The disk should'n't be full.
[18:34] <franzhblake> yep, I know it's a photo, but I don't have more
[18:34] <skinux> Part of my problem is that two days ago Ubuntu warned less than 30MB was available, but yesterday warned I only had 1.1GB. It doesn't make any sense at all since I hadn't added anything to the system.
[18:35] <franzhblake> skinux, I didn't read all your problem, may it be related to cache or similar? perhaps you did and update two days ago, then yesterday you rebooted and flushed cache or /tmp and you gained almost 1gb
[18:35] <Voyage> how can I access a remote ms access database?
[18:36] <Beldar> skinux, Yeah, you are risking a completely filling it with just error logs, and HD in general "although many will argue this" have a percentile used below 98%, 10% to 30% empty has been the idea. And ten percent of a ssd should not be formatted per the link I gave you.
[18:36] <michaelaguiar> If I need to give users ftp access, is it better to create then a shell account, for SFTP, or just setup an FTP server?
[18:37] <Beldar> skinux, What you have not verified is how full it should be from what you put in there, all we have gotten so far is I have errors.
[18:38] <Beldar> and a full HD
[18:38] <Voyage> ?\\
[18:39] <Beldar> Voyage, some patience and no cryptic posts go a long way here.
[18:39] <Roel> Does anyone know how to log in as operator of your IRC channel?
[18:39] <systest> anyone have a pointer to docs related to kernel packages in 14.04? specifically, trying to find out when 3.15 will be out and/or if a bug patch has been back ported to the latest package
[18:39] <Beldar> Roel, ask #freenode
[18:39] <skinux> I'm not sure how full it should be, but the amount of free disk space should not have changed, much less have been so low.
[18:39] <Roel> Ok Beldar
[18:40] <Beldar> skinux, there are good cleaners if you think it is just logs....etc.
[18:40] <Roel> Beldar, I have developed something for Ubuntu, and I wonder where I can go to to ask if it might be useful for an official release
[18:40] <skinux> I've already run bleachbit a few times.
[18:41] <franzhblake> can anyone help me with a kernel panic?
[18:41] <Beldar> Roel, Long process and you have to be a ubuntu member, not sure the link you need someone will know.
[18:41] <aw80> Good afternoon
[18:41] <Beldar> franzhblake, Do you have any more kernel sets onboard?
[18:41] <aw80> Anyone with USb cards experience?  Just upgrade to 14.04 and my usb DL-195 card giving me a green screen
[18:42] <franzhblake> Beldar, I'm currently on 3.14.3
[18:42] <franzhblake> I know it's not official, but I can't believe that any other kernel apart from official (and this one is vanilla from ubuntu kernel team afaik) can cause a kernel panic
[18:43] <Beldar> franzhblake, This the only working kernel on board, it is not supported is all.
[18:43] <franzhblake> Beldar, I have also the official kernel on board
[18:44] <Beldar> franzhblake, Yeah regular ones "from repos" should work, not really an area I'm really able to help with efficiently is all.
[18:46] <franzhblake> Beldar, thank you anyway
[18:46] <Voyage> I have a machine that has 5005 port open. I want to access an ms access database in it. How can that be done?
[18:46] <Voyage> the machine is a thumb impression device. obviously having linux smb share and ms access on it. I am also on linux
[18:46] <Beldar> skinux, In the end it is to full and not explicitly set up correctly overall, for long term use and protection of a ssd. Do you have trim setup?
[18:47] <Beldar> franzhblake, NO problem, I have on occasion had a specific kernel that crashes, I just remove it, but others work.
[18:48] <aw80> Any ideas?
[18:48] <Beldar> aw80, please keep the details and request together, confusing otherwise.
[18:50] <Beldar> Voyage, what does lsb_release -a   say
[18:51] <Voyage> Beldar,  on the server that holds the msaccess db?
[18:51] <Guest53878> do ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu etc. require accelerated graphics?
[18:51] <Beldar> Voyage, on your linux
[18:51] <Voyage> hm
[18:51] <Beldar> Voyage, What is the OS Is the question.
[18:51] <Voyage> No LSB modules are available.
[18:51] <skinux> I haven't setup trim, so probably not.
[18:52] <Voyage> mine is linux, the server is a biometric thumb impression device for attendance running 5005 port and using ms access db
[18:52] <Voyage> Beldar, ^
[18:52] <Beldar> skinux, Read that link I sent you it has a cron and manual trim and tweaking of specific areas.
[18:52] <Beldar> Voyage, What is the linux operating system?
[18:52] <skinux> I have been reading through it.
[18:53] <Voyage> Beldar,  ubuntu
[18:53] <Voyage> Beldar,  mine is linux
[18:53] <Voyage> Beldar, server: i dont know
[18:53] <Beldar> skinux, Cool, I have a ssd, but much bigger, I have all the OS in single partition 4 in all I run a trim manual at the end of daily updates.
[18:54] <Beldar> Voyage, Your use of the term Linux, just had me wondering are we dealing in this situation with ubuntu, this is ubuntu support, not linux is all.
[18:54] <Roel> Beldar: I 'm using Ubuntu 13.04, does that mean that I 'm an ubuntu user?
[18:55] <aw80> I just upgrade to 14.04 and my USB card DL-195 is giving me a green screen, any ideas/help please?
[18:55] <michaelaguiar> If I have a bunch of VOIP phones, that are frozen and need to be restarted every morning, can that have something to do with my DHCP server?
[18:55] <Beldar> Roel, Yeah, ubuntu is ubuntu.
[18:55] <Beldar> !13.04
[18:55] <Voyage> Beldar,  isnt ubuntu a linux
[18:55] <Roel> Beldar: Ok. I have looked at the Ubuntu site, but I can't find where you can send e-mails for asking if something you have done can be used for an official relase.
[18:55] <Roel> *release
[18:55] <Beldar> Roel, EOL Is all, and not supported here.
[18:56] <Voyage> Beldar,  there might be some tools in ubuntu that I can use?
[18:56] <Beldar> Voyage, Not sure I have not messed with smb, should be some help here though.
[18:56] <Voyage> k
[18:56] <Beldar> Roel, YOU a ubuntu member?
[18:56] <JokesOnYOu77> Is there a way to use ps to track a process and all of its children?  e.g. I now have while kill -0 $PID ; do ps --pid $PID --format foo,bar done But I'd also like to track all of the children of $PID
[18:57] <Roel> Beldar: I 'm using Lubuntu, but technically I believe that is Ubuntu
[18:57] <tgm4883> Roel: what did you create?
[18:57] <Beldar> Roel, yes, same question, you at the least would have to join ubuntu, and go from there, outside offers I doubt will even get an answer.
[18:58] <Roel> tgm4883: I have created a Gothic keyboard. You can select it from the keyboard lay-outs and directly use it to type in Gothic
[18:58] <tgm4883> Roel: is it just a package you install?
[18:58] <Roel> How can I turn it into a package?
[18:58] <Roel> I know which files need to be changed, but I don't know how to create packages, I would need to learn that
[18:59] <Roel> I also wonder if you can translate the ubuntu operating system
[18:59] <Beldar> viva Diamanda Galás the goth Queen.
[19:00] <randolph`> test
[19:00] <tgm4883> Roel: so you'll need to get it packaged. I'm going to point you here, as I believe it's the standard starting place for developers now  http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[19:00] <skinux> I just tried trim manual, it didn't work.
[19:00] <tgm4883> Roel: if that doesn't give you info on packaging and getting it into the repos, then we can discuss packaging in general
[19:01] <Roel> ok thanks
[19:01] <tgm4883> Roel: minimally, you'll want to get a launchpad account, then you can push your packaging up their for testing.
[19:01] <Jordan_U> Roel: To get it included in Ubuntu, I would recommend trying to get it included as far upstream as possible. So first figure out what package normally ships keyboard layouts, then look at that package in Debian and see what upstream project they get their files from (or if the upstream is Debian itself), and submit a patch adding your new layout to the final upstream.
[19:02] <Roel> Jordan_U: Can you explain that in simple words to a noob
[19:02] <Roel> Jordan_U: upstream projects = the last projects ??
[19:03] <Beldar> skinux, You have multiple partitions on sda, did you make sure you ran that trim correctly? I have the feeling you are just ignoring the obvious here I have shared.
[19:04] <tgm4883> Roel: if you do a "dpkg -S <path to file>" on one of the files you need to change, you can see which package that is in. Then from there, you can find out where the package comes from
[19:04] <tgm4883> Roel: ideally, you wouldn't submit a patch for it to Ubuntu, you'd submit the patch to the original project
[19:04] <Roel> So I should look for Ubuntu Keyboard Layouts project?
[19:04] <tgm4883> Roel: for instance, if you patched Gnome, you would submit the patch to Gnome, not Ubuntu
[19:05] <tgm4883> Roel: no, you should run that above command on one of the files and see what package it's in. Then we look to see where that package comes from
[19:05] <Roel> ok I will do it, one second
[19:06] <Roel> It doesn't work, do I first have to install Ubuntu developer tools?
[19:06] <Roel> I get this result:
[19:06] <tgm4883> Roel: no. Are you getting an error message?
[19:07] <Roel> at first it did nothing but now it says:
[19:07] <Roel> xkb-date: /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules
[19:07] <Roel> that's the path, it echoes it.
[19:07] <michaelaguiar> in my network interfaces, should my LAN address be included in the dns-nameservers range?
[19:07] <tgm4883> Roel: yes, that is actually what we want to see
[19:07] <tgm4883> Roel: so the package "xkb-date" is what put that file there
[19:08] <Roel> So we are looking for the xkb-date package?
[19:09] <tgm4883> Roel: Do you have any PPA's or installed packages from elsewhere? I don't see that package in the official repos
[19:09] <tgm4883> !info xkb-date
[19:10] <Roel> Well, I installed ibus, xkb might be installed too
[19:10] <Roel> I don't know anymore, to be honest
[19:11] <michaelaguiar> So I use PPTPD for VPN, but when I VPN in, I don’t seem to have access to the internal network
[19:12] <michaelaguiar> In my LAN interface, I have my dns-domain set for LAN
[19:12] <michaelaguiar> do I need to set the DNS domain for WAN as well?
[19:12] <tgm4883> Roel: is it xkb-date or xkb-data
[19:12] <tgm4883> !info xkb-data
[19:12] <Roel> xkb-date, not xkb-data
[19:13] <Roel> no wait
[19:13] <Roel> xkb-data
[19:13] <Roel> NOT xkb-date
[19:13] <tgm4883> Roel: yea that is what it is on mine :)
[19:13] <Roel> it's for me the same too
[19:13] <michaelaguiar> anyone familiar with PPTPD?
[19:14] <Roel> so if I want to help those guys by adding the Gothic keyboard to xkb-date, how can I do that?
[19:14] <Roel> since it's not part of the official release I guess
[19:14] <Mikerhinos> if I have a "/" and a "/home" partition on separated drives, when I install an app, will it be on the "/" or "/home" drive ?
[19:15] <Beldar> Mikerhinos, most likely a bit in both, what is the issue?
[19:16] <Samizdata> I would say app in / and configs in /home.  That is, of course, based on the idea he is installing it system wide and not just a personal install.
[19:17] <tgm4883> Roel: ok, so that looks like it comes from debian. http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/xkb-data  You've got a few options. Upstream for that package is going to be the freedesktop devs (  http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/ )  So ideally, that is where you could send a patch so that it is now available in all distros that use freedesktop.
[19:17] <tgm4883> If they won't accept it, your next bet is to contact the maintainer of the package (see the first link) and talk with them regarding the patch
[19:17] <Samizdata> Is there any news on getting Empathy working with Facebook?
[19:17] <Roel> Ok, but first I would need to make a patch for that
[19:17] <Roel> is it difficult to learn? As I have 0% experience.
[19:18] <tgm4883> Roel: it's not difficult to learn, but I don't have any links handy on it
[19:18] <Mikerhinos> Beldar: not really an issue, just that my "/" is on a RAID-0 420mo/s reading, and my "/home" is on a 90mo/s reading HDD lol, I want speed for launching apps, but not killing my SSDs by writing too much on it, and use my HDD as a storing drive for my settings, videos, photos etc...
[19:18] <Roel> Do I need this? http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/sdk/tutorials/creating-an-sdk-app-project/
[19:19] <tgm4883> Roel: no you don't need that
[19:19] <Beldar> Mikerhinos, statistically a modern ssd has an equal life to a spinning HD.
[19:19] <Roel> What do I need to write a patch? Just a simple text editor?
[19:19] <bekks> Mikerhinos: Unless your SSD is about 10y old today, you wont kill by writing too much onto it.
[19:19] <Mikerhinos> Beldar: in fact I'd want to have my system and apps on the RAID-0, and personnal files like settings, photos etc... on the HDD.
[19:20] <tgm4883> Roel: Well, basically you get the source, copy it to a second (working directory), make the changes you need to make, and then run diff on the directory
[19:20] <tgm4883> Roel: that will make a patch (or rather, you run 'diff > my.patch')
[19:20] <Mikerhinos> SSDs are Intel 320 40Go, so 2x40Go, it's not that much, it's not the latest technology, but in RAID-0 it's pretty quick
[19:20] <Roel> I 'm sorry, but this is incomprehensible for me.
[19:20] <Beldar> Mikerhinos, Sure, I have no knowledge of raid, so that is your thang, not sure I can help beyond this.
[19:21] <tgm4883> Roel: How many files did  you need to change
[19:22] <Roel> Do I also have to include one file which you need to ADD and not MODIFY?
[19:22] <tgm4883> no
[19:22] <Roel> ok
[19:22] <tgm4883> Roel: just modified files
[19:22] <Roel> should the file to add also be in the patch?
[19:22] <Roel> ok
[19:22] <Roel> 7 files
[19:23] <Samizdata> So, nothing on Empathy/Facebook then.
[19:23] <Roel> in fact it could be that only 4 are needed, but I modified 7 files to be 100% sure that it will work.
[19:24] <tgm4883> Roel: can you run that same dpkg -S command on the 7 files and see if they are all part of the same package
[19:24] <Roel> Well, one of the files is an ibus file
[19:24] <Roel> so I can already see they are not all of the same package most likely
[19:24] <Roel> I will run a dpkg on it
[19:24] <tgm4883> how many different packages
[19:25] <Roel> ibus, and xkb-data
[19:25] <Roel> those are the two packages to change
[19:26] <tgm4883> Roel: good. Ok, so now the hard part
[19:26] <Samizdata> Well, cheers, all.
[19:26] <Roel> writing a patch?
[19:27] <tgm4883> Roel: I'm going to give you the basics of doing a patch, but then you're going to have to read through their rules for patch submission and such   http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/XKeyboardConfig/Development/
[19:30] <tgm4883> Roel: basically (and keep in mine that this is all from my limited patch writing experience), you need to checkout their repo (makes a copy of their source files on your desktop), then you can copy the repo into a second directory (this second directory is where you will make your changes and add any new files you have), then you'll run the diff command (eg.
[19:30] <tgm4883> 'diff <SOURCEDIR> <MODIFIEDDIR> > my.patch') that will make a file called my.patch that will have all of your changes
[19:31] <tgm4883> Roel: where this gets difficult, is that the files you are changing may not be where you are expecting them in the source. Unfortunatlely I don't know much about that package
[19:32] <Roel> So I guess
[19:32] <Roel> I need to download the code?
[19:32] <tgm4883> Roel: well first read though their rules for patch submission. They might have some other info or pointers for doing the patch
[19:33] <tgm4883> Roel: but generally yes, you need to download their sourcecode
[19:35] <Guest37152> thanks to those who tried to help me with my problem. Hope you all have a great day. bye : )
[19:36] <thumbee> new to ubuntu. is there a quick way to load up a pre-configured color scheme so i can see filenames/folders easier? as oppose to manually setting 1 color at a time?
[19:36] <thumbee> right now its all just black/white bash terminal
[19:36] <soultitanium> Hi, I'm having some trouble with a new version of ubuntu server (14.04) vs an old version (8) as I'm running the same custom application on both of them (same hardware) and the one with 8 shows cpu usage of about 30% - does that seem reasonable?
[19:37] <soultitanium> I'd like to upgrade to 14, but I can't have that much loss in performance
[19:38] <rickest> thumbee: terminals themselves are responsible for setting their primary fore/background colors.  google 'LS_COLORS' to find different themes for using ls
[19:38] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: What do you mean by "CPU usage of about 30%"?
[19:38] <thumbee> for example.. background color, filename color, folder color. im sure there's a way to manually change it all 1 at a time. but looking for a quick way to load up some template ? ie. someone did that all for me already
[19:39] <thumbee> ah LS_COLORs ok
[19:39] <masoud_> hi all
[19:39] <masoud_> i need laf for grub in ubuntu. whos is help me?
[19:39] <soultitanium> Jordan_U, when I look at top, it shows all the tasks that are running. our app (irtracker), under the cpu column is using 114 on ubuntu 14 and 70 on ubuntu 8
[19:40] <soultitanium> Jordan_U, sorry, I meant to say it's a difference of 30%...
[19:40] <path_of_exile> display server Mir uses license GPLv3
[19:41] <soultitanium> Jordan_U, I'd like to upgrade all of these boxes running our custom app to the newest version of ubuntu, but it doesn't seem right that there such a difference in processor utilization between the two different OSes.  I was hoping someone might be able to suggest somewhere to look to see if there's an obvious configuration error that I'm making
[19:41] <tgm4883> soultitanium: that sounds odd. Was their any customization done to the server? A 30% loss of performance while running on the same hardware for Ubuntu server sounds weird
[19:42] <tgm4883> soultitanium: since it's a custom app, the only people that could tell you where to look is... um... you
[19:42] <soultitanium> tgm4883, it does sound weird!  I install it, install vsftpd, telnetd, build-essentials, and setserial and copy the files over
[19:42] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: Is your application actually performing less well, or is it only using less CPU? Using less CPU but performing just as well is possible for many applications, and would clearly be a good rather than a bad thing.
[19:43] <tgm4883> Jordan_U: my understanding is it's using more CPU, not less on trusty
[19:43] <soultitanium> Jordan_U, it still seems to be performaing well...
[19:43] <soultitanium> tgm4883, more cpu on trusty, less on ubuntu 8
[19:43] <tgm4883> Jordan_U: ^
[19:44] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: OK, is it using more CPU for the same tasks, or is it performing more tasks per unit time?
[19:44] <tgm4883> Jordan_U: +1, good question
[19:44] <soultitanium> Jordan_U, sorry, I'm a bit confused by your question.  The program is just one task - is that the answer you were looking for?
[19:45] <thumbee> is LS_COLORs for ubuntu?
[19:46] <tgm4883> soultitanium: lets say on Ubuntu 8, it processes 10000 records in 10 seconds and uses 50% CPU, but on Ubutnu 14 is processes 10000 records in 5 seconds but only uses 75% CPU. Obviously the second one is running better, even though it's using more CPU
[19:46] <tgm4883> soultitanium: and again, we're just making general guesses about your custom app
[19:47] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: No. For instance if your custom application were calculating digits of pi, and on Ubuntu 8.04 (there is no "Ubuntu 8") it was calculating 1,000 digits per second, and on Ubuntu 14.04 (again, not just 14) it was calculating 10,000 digits per second, but using twice the CPU cycles per second, that would be an overall improvement.
[19:47] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: What does this app actually do?
[19:47] <soultitanium> tgm4883, ahhh.. yes, I understand.  This is a time-sensitive application that pulls frames from our gigabit camera, processes those frames, and sends information to the server.  So if the main loop timing gets longer than 5ms, we're in trouble.  so, I could look at that timing between the two of them and let you know if it's different
[19:48] <tgm4883> soultitanium: yea, lets see if it's processing them faster but using more CPU
[19:48] <soultitanium> so the application always needs to be able to process about 178 frames per second, and as long as we can keep up with that, we're good..
[19:49] <tgm4883> soultitanium: sweet, any way you can bench test how many FPS it can process?
[19:49] <soultitanium> Ok.. the programmers put some timing information in there so lemme see if that processing time is faster on ubuntu 8 than 14.. I'll take a look and let you know.
[19:49] <tgm4883> soultitanium: which is almost exactly the scenario that Jordan_U mentioned
[19:50] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: Please stop talking about versions of Ubuntu that don't exist. There is 8.04 and 8.10, and there is 14.04 and (in development) 14.10. There is no Ubuntu 8, and no Ubuntu 14.
[19:50] <soultitanium> tgm4883, I think it might be difficult to recode the software because everything is synchronized to a trigger..... so all I can do is see how fast it processes the data per frame, but I think they have that timing information in there so it should be a pretty quick test.. lemme check
[19:51] <soultitanium> Jordan_U, the versions are 14.04 and 8.04...
[19:51] <robbie> how can I get 5.1 audio to appear as an option in Sound properties?
[19:52] <mistawright> alright guys i have been stuggling with logrotate and rsyslog. i have to manully restart rsyslog to have it send my logrotated files. is there anyway to fix on this on ubuntu 12.04 lts
[19:54] <thumbee> i just tried uncommenting "force_color_prompt=yes" in .bashrc. and rebooted. any idea why still no color ?
[19:58] <fhf> Does any1 know when updated translations are released as SRUs?
[19:59] <tendo> ]does anyone know why swat for samba is no longer available?
[19:59] <fhf> tendo: In 14.04 have samba4 where some things changed
[19:59] <fhf> without in*
[20:00] <tendo> oh ok, that's too bad i hate making the samba config files.  is there an alternate tool to do this?
[20:02] <fhf> tendo: Have you tried system-config-samba app? BTW your nick is from Pacific Rim movie isn't it?
[20:02] <tendo> i've been tendo for about 15 years :)
[20:02] <tendo> i'll check it out thanks for the tip fhf
[20:03] <fhf> tendo: np. ;)
[20:06] <thumbee> whats a good google search term for enabling color in my ubuntu terminal :
[20:06] <thumbee> :s
[20:07] <shtrwlf> i think aterm is most configable
[20:07] <fhf> thumbee: colored terminal ubuntu <insert version here>
[20:08] <thumbee> thanks fhf. lemme try that
[20:08] <Pici> thumbee: what colors are you trying to enable?
[20:09] <thumbee> any color. lol. i use secureCRT to ssh into an aws isntance of ubuntu
[20:09] <thumbee> its black and white. need it give it some life :(
[20:12] <Pici> thumbee: does ls --color=auto   give anything?
[20:13] <thumbee> it just dislays whats in the folder
[20:13] <thumbee> like normal. no color
[20:13] <fhf> thumbee are `ls -l` colored?
[20:13] <fhf> or mby "is"..
[20:14] <thumbee> fhf: no. still just black
[20:14] <thumbee> maybe its cause of my securecrt?
[20:15] <fhf> thumbee it looks like wrong or missing .bashrc file
[20:17] <thumbee> HMM. shtrwlf just told me why. it was my securecrt after all..
[20:18] <wotan147> how to execture script at shutdown?
[20:18] <wotan147> a script that backups things on my aharrdrive
[20:18] <thumbee> hmm. thats kindda annoying. would have hoped secureCRT would just leave the colors for ubuntu terminal to set
[20:18] <wotan147> I placed it in /etc/rc0.d but did not work
[20:18] <bekks> !backup | wotan147
[20:19] <bekks> !upstart | wotan147
[20:25] <Jordan_U> wotan147: At shutdown seems like an odd time to trigger a backup. What is your end goal, and how long do you expect each backup to take?
[20:25] <randolph`> testing keyboard
[20:26] <wotan147> Jordan_U usually I manually backup with rsyn after graphical session log off then I ctrl+alt+f1 sudo service lithgtdm stop <to ensure it is not writing files while I save and then I am rsyncing
[20:27] <wotan147> basically I want to automate that task so that it does that all the time automaitcally when I shutdowhn the computer
[20:27] <Troy__> Anyone have any suggestions on remote desktop connection server software for linux? I want to control the gui via another computer
[20:29] <shtrwlf> realvnc is one option
[20:30] <lmat> I upgraded recently and now I get a ding every time I press backspace at an empty prompt (Terminal). What is the setting to reverse this ?
[20:31] <Jordan_U> lmat: In gnome-terminal, or at a tty?
[20:32] <lmat> Jordan_U: gnome-terminal
[20:32] <lmat> Jordan_U: I haven't reset the terminal :)
[20:32] <Voyage> smb://admin:admin@<IP_ADDRESS>:5005     is time out. I can ping the ip though. can anyone tell why?
[20:32] <Jordan_U> lmat: Edit > Profile Preferences, uncheck "Terminal Bell".
[20:32] <lmat> Jordan_U: Thanks. We'll see how that goes
[20:33] <Jordan_U> lmat: You're welcome.
[20:33] <lmat> Jordan_U: Another artifact: it's *terribly* behind... oh well
[20:33] <Ugb3> Voyage: ports opened in firewall ?
[20:33] <Voyage> no
[20:34] <Ugb3> Voyage: It's maybe a good starting point.
[20:37] <thumbee> successs! there is color in my life xD
[20:38] <Guest82424> hola
[20:38] <thumbee> Emulation -> Terminal: Xterm: ANSI Color
[20:39] <Guest82424> que haceis??
[20:39] <abdelmitri> hello
[20:39] <Guest82424> hy
[20:40] <Theory``> anybody can help with a lubuntu question in here?
[20:43] <adamcunnington> Hi, I am receiving the following error when trying to copy a DVD that I own - it's a handbrake error output but it looks the same in vlcmedia player when trying to scan the title so I believe it may be an ubuntu-related issue. Can anyone shed some light? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7490198/
[20:45] <OerHeks> adamcunnington, CSS key ... are you able to play that dvd on your system?
[20:45] <soultitanium> Hi, I was here ealier testing a custom application on two systems (identical hardware), one running ubuntu 8.04 and the other 14.04.  We noticed that the main program loop runs a hair faster (.1 ms) on 14.04 vs 8.04, but it's using about 20% more cpu to do it.  Can I attribute this very slightly faster processing, yet higher cpu utilization to OS optimization from 8.04 to 14.04?
[20:45] <Jordan_U> adamcunnington: Please pastebin the output of "dmesg".
[20:45] <OerHeks> if not, follow the !dvd factoid to get the css script to read the contents
[20:46] <Jordan_U> soultitanium: Is the same binary being used for both systems, or did you build one with 8.04's gcc and the other with 14.04's gcc?
[20:46] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7490198/
[20:46] <OerHeks> soultitanium, ofcourse in the years the kernel is getting bigger. as 8.04 is EOL., i won't look for answers
[20:47] <Lihis> What would be best way to clone my HDD to another different size HDD?
[20:47] <soultitanium> OerHeks, I guess I'm trying to understand if it's running more ineffeciently because it's taking more processor power to do the same thing as what is being done in 8.04
[20:48] <adamcunnington> OerHeks: i'm not, no
[20:48] <OerHeks> !dvd
[20:48] <Jordan_U> adamcunnington: I'm not used to dmesg output being in quite that format. Did you run literally just "dmesg" to get that?
[20:48] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: yea
[20:49] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 && sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[20:49] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: weird, maybe not... try http://paste.ubuntu.com/7490226/
[20:50] <john_rambo> My SSO acount which I use to login to ubuntuforums.org wont let me login in ....It says wrong username password combination ...This has happened before and I did reset my password ....but same thing is happening today ....
[20:51] <Jordan_U> adamcunnington: That looks more like what I was expecting.
[20:51] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: yea no idea what happened the first time
[20:52] <Jordan_U> adamcunnington: Might want to check your CPU fan, and maybe vaccum out your case :)
[20:52] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: on that note.. the first time I did dmesg | pastebinit | xclip but i find xclip behaves really weird, half the time it doesn't save anything to my clipboard
[20:52] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: need a new machine fullstop to be honest but how an earth did you get that from that output?!
[20:52] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: is it getting rather warm?
[20:53] <Jordan_U> adamcunnington: "CPU2: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 24)", all over the place :)
[20:55] <john_rambo> Do SSO people maintain an  IRC channnel ?
[20:55] <adamcunnington> Jordan_U: lol ok but with regard to the issue, would you agree with OerHeks on installing libdvdread4?
[20:56] <adamcunnington> OerHeks: ah just checked, i already have libdvdread4
[20:56] <adamcunnington> OerHeks: would i still need to run sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[20:57] <Jordan_U> adamcunnington: Yes.
[20:57] <OerHeks> adamcunnington, yes, that install-css is adding the key, you obviously missing according to the paste
[20:57] <OerHeks> restart any dvd application after that
[21:08] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Okay I found what is wrong, on the kernel v3.13-rc1 it seems that for the radeon driver, radeon.audio was on 1 by default, and it just seems that is what makes my card crashes and why I have to used radeon.audio=0, so i guess I won't be able to get audio over hdmi even with older kernel.
[21:09] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: And I checked, if i boot 3.12 with radeon.audio=1, it crashes.
[21:09] <Theory``> lubuntu freezes on install lubuntu screen..whats up
[21:09] <duckchat> Jordan_U: Do you have any experience with radeon dual monitor?
[21:10] <antlong> is there a difference between saying environment or environmental variables?
[21:13] <darky_> which format is recommended for installation by usb?
[21:14] <darky_> I'm going to format first then run unetbootin'
[21:14] <ntz> darky_: rephrase please
[21:14] <legrandin> does anyone here have any experience downgrading php from 5.5
[21:14] <adamcunnington> OerHeks: ran that, still getting the same error
[21:14] <OerHeks> darky fat32
[21:14] <Theory``> lubuntu freezes on install lubuntu screen..whats up
[21:14] <adamcunnington> OerHeks: and btw, I've copied several DVDs with success - it's just this 1 dvd that is causing me problems - could the dvd be broken / corrupt?
[21:15] <OerHeks> adamcunnington, could be an newer copy protection, not all dvd's will work on linux, see the factoid
[21:15] <darky_> OerHeks: Ok, going to run arch now... Thanks.
[21:18] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: And it seems that even on windows, people experience problem with audio over hdmi with this precise card.
[21:19] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: All the more reason to make Linux handle the brain damage better if we can :)
[21:20] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Do you think there is a way to make audio works ?
[21:20] <adamcunnington> OerHeks: this dvd is from 2006 so i doubt it, will try and play it in a different system, thanks
[21:21] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Clearly, as it works with the older kernel.
[21:22] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I'm not sure it does, I think i confused it working with another computer, I actually booted it with 3.12 and there is no HDMI sound card recognized and no audio goes over the TV...
[21:24] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: And i can't boot 3.12 with radeon.audio=1 :'(
[21:28] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Ahh, so maybe 3.13 just enable HDMI audio by default. Still, it would be good to let the kernel developers know that, until there is a proper fix, radeon=0 needs to be the default for your card.
[21:29] <xangua> what's wrong with radeon/hdmi¿ Jordan_U
[21:29] <xangua> Mine works ok
[21:31] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: It seems on forums that people got it working in the past, and alsa mixer sees my card, so there is some hope.
[21:32] <skinux> How do we set Python 3 as default version of Python?
[21:35] <tgm4883> skinux: system wide, or just for you user?
[21:35] <ki7mt> skinux, you probably dont want to do that, just set you scripts to use python3 v.s. the default python or use virtualenv
[21:36] <skinux> I just changed it by reassigning python symlink. However, now it says a library doesn't exist.
[21:39] <motaka2> hello I am trying to share a folder in ubuntu and I get this error:  'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error Permission deniedYou do not have permission to create a usershare. Ask your administrator to grant you permissions to create a share.
[21:39] <ki7mt> skinux, have a read of /usr/share/doc/python/python-policy.txt.gz .. that will shed light on your questions.
[21:40] <ntz> how are you doing it .. what exactly ?
[21:40] <ntz> motaka2: ^^
[21:41] <motaka2> right click on the folder and clicking share
[21:41] <ntz> it should ask you for a admin/root password
[21:41] <motaka2> then ticking share this folder and so on ...
[21:41] <motaka2> ntz: it doesnt
[21:41] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Tried to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa to works with the hdmi audio card detected with aplay -l, but it doesn't work, i don't see any device in control panel, i guess the radeon.audio=0 just kill it, maybe the driver just doesn't handle audio over hdmi...
[21:42] <ntz> i now don't know because I'm using kde .. i know only "hard way" in commandline, but if you run your filebrowser with gksudo (under root) it will work
[21:43] <motaka2> what is gksudo ?
[21:44] <ntz> it's UI dialog asking you for a password like sudo does in commandline
[21:44] <ramkamx> i'm trying to install arduino on 12.04, but it keeps on dumping me errors with openjdk-6-jre-headless
[21:44] <ntz> should be iirc in package gksu .. apt-get install gksu
[21:45] <motaka2> ntz: and what should I do with that box?
[21:45] <ramkamx> it's a netbook, with a very slow internet connexion, and nothing is up to date, and i can't afford waiting hours (or days) so that everything updates / fix dependancies because i jumped too many updates. any quick fix ?
[21:46] <ntz> you'd better wait until someone more suitable for answer answers you or run your filebrowser temporarily under root and enable share there
[21:46] <root> help
[21:46] <root> ?
[21:47] <ntz> motaka2: or if you want to it super-properly just find on unbuntu wiki article describing "samba" and do like that
[21:47] <ntz> !samba
[21:48] <ntz> s/want to it/want to do it/; s/and do like that/and do it like that/
[21:50] <ki7mt> ramkamx, have you install 6-jre and updated alternatives : sudo update-alternatives --config java and selected 6-jre
[21:51] <ramkamx> ki7mt: 6-jre-java refuses to install, due to openjdk-6-jre-headless, and openjdk-6-jre-headless refuses to install due to 6-jre-java
[21:51] <DavidOD> hi! does anyone know how to add more options to this list (like openvpn)? https://i.imgur.com/PlHBDWH.png
[21:52] <ramkamx> sudo update-alternatives --config java  --> error no update alternatives for java
[21:52] <ramkamx> also: libnss3-1d seems to be in the state "keep as is" (translated from french)
[21:56] <ki7mt> ramkamx, nothing like a little circular dep issue to start one's day ey .. I'd try to purge --force sun-java6-jre .. autoclean, autoremove, then reinstall 6-jre
[21:56] <ramkamx> yeah ... i feel it's going to eat my night ...
[21:56] <ramkamx> let's leave it as is
[21:57] <ramkamx> is there a utility that allows to pipe the USB of a machine on the USB of another machine ?
[21:57] <adamcunnington> Hi, xclip seems to behave inconsistently, often when i type some_command | pastebinit | xclip, nothing is copied to my clipboard, any ideas / how can I debug?
[21:57] <ramkamx> heard about something like that a long time ago, but cant remember, and it's hard to find
[21:58] <ramkamx> adamcunnington: try somecommand > somefile.txt
[21:59] <ramkamx> and check the output, maybe your command output is not on stdout but on stderr
[21:59] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I got it to work, I added the corect hardware reference in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[21:59] <Ugb3> and then, the secret magical command : xrandr --output HDMI-0 --set audio on
[21:59] <Ugb3> And woot, it works.
[21:59] <skinux> Where can I find out what Python2.7 libraries Ubuntu relies on?
[21:59] <ntz> adamcunnington: depends .. what command exactly ? some commands just does weird things with theirs stdout
[22:00] <ramkamx> ntz: like whois ?
[22:00] <ramkamx> :)à
[22:00] <ki7mt> ramkamx, also, make sure something has not removed updates from your source list. precise-updates precise-security precise-backports etc.
[22:00] <skinux> I need to install libraries for Python3.4, but I don't have enough disk space without removing them from Python2.7
[22:00] <ramkamx> ki7mt: yeah, seems to be an uncommon error, it's a dummy machine i'll reinstall all someday, easyier, faster
[22:02] <ramkamx> ki7mt: any clue on creating a virtual usb device on one machine, and forwarding the data (both ways actually), to a remote machine ?
[22:02] <ramkamx> ki7mt: i've lost so much time recently on compilation dependancies that i'd be happy to tackle another type of problem :D
[22:03] <ki7mt> ramkamx, Nada clue on that one, never even thought about it actually.
[22:03] <adamcunnington> ramkamx: how does that fix my issue with xclip?
[22:03] <adamcunnington> ntz: in this case, dmesg
[22:04] <ramkamx> adamcunnington: test each piping step, does it give an output ?
[22:05] <ramkamx> and can the output contain characters that might produce an error (" or non utf8 chars)
[22:05] <ki7mt> skinux, apt-cache show python.27 will give you a good start.
[22:05] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: With what kernel, and what kernel parameters?
[22:05] <ki7mt> whoops ..  apt-cache show python2.7
[22:07] <Tristanex> Hello
[22:07] <Guest43008> Can someone help me I am getting internet connection problems with Ubuntu only
[22:08] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Any kernel (with radeon.audio=0 for any 3.12+)
[22:08] <DavidOD> hi! why do i never get the option to import my .ovpn file?
[22:08] <Tristanex> I need some help installing Ubuntu on a preloaded win 8 laptop
[22:09] <DavidOD> every guide shows me that that should be done
[22:09] <adamcunnington> ramkamx: it does when i don't use xclip yes
[22:09] <Guest43008> I am able to connect to sites at first then after a while I try installing something or trying to update I get "failed to download repository information"
[22:09] <adamcunnington> ramkamx: maybe something is broken - typing xclip into terminal does nothing
[22:10] <Guest43008> I also can't connect to sites or anything even though my other computers work fine
[22:11] <a930913> How can I set up a bandwidth limiting proxy for my brother to torrent through?
[22:14] <DavidOD> is anyone using an openvpn connection on ubuntu here? :/
[22:15] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: A DNS issue ? .. what returns different -> ping -c3 <IP_ADDRESS> , ping -c3 google.com <- ?
[22:16] <rrva_> are there any trusted virtualbox images where ubuntu desktop is preinstalled?
[22:16] <Ugb3> Mhh guyz, how I can reinstall the current updated kernel ?
[22:17] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: Thank you I will try this I am just rebooting the computer
[22:17] <Ugb3> Which one is the current 14.04 one ? linux-image-generic-lts-trusty  ?
[22:19] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: I got a response from <IP_ADDRESS> but not google.com
[22:20] <Jordan_U> Ugb3: Very interesting. Please file an Ubuntu bug report requesting that working default configuration be added, and also add a comment to the Fedora bug report explaining how you got this working in Ubuntu (and ideally, try to reproduce the working configuration in Fedora as well).
[22:20] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: Will do, thank you so much for your help.
[22:21] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I have a lil question before i go to bed, i'v messed up quite a bit with my kernel, i don't even know which one i'm supposed to run, how can i find out ?
[22:22] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: On my other PC using the same DNS server I am able to access any sites, so I'm kind of baffled
[22:25] <Ugb3> Jordan_U: I will figure it out, bye i'm gonna sleep.
[22:25] <Ugb3> Bye everyone.
[22:25] <Guest43008> Can anyone else help me I can't access any sites or update on my 14.04 machine but I am able to access anything on my other computers. :|
[22:25] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: Look'n more and more like a DNS issue -> cat /etc/resolv.conf | pastebinit <- you might have to install that tool .
[22:25] <harumph> hey guys, i'm installing ubuntu alongside windows xp. when i'm "trying" ubuntu with the install media, wired and wireless internet connections work fine. when it's fully installed, can't get either ethernet or wifi working. any ideas why?
[22:27] <daftykins> harumph: you're installing with "download latest updates" enabled, so something changes between your install media and the final install
[22:28] <harumph> must be it. i'll try installing without enabling latest updates to see.
[22:30] <Bashing-om> harumph: Maybe NOT select "3rd party software" also .
[22:31] <harumph> Bashing-om: I'll give it a shot.
[22:31] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: I can't install anything now I don't have any connection even though I am connected to Wifi
[22:32] <Guest43008> I even changed my DNS server
[22:32] <Guest43008> I guess I will just try a fresh install
[22:33] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: Sirry, my bad ! .. do in terminal -> cat /etc/resolv.conf <- do you see 2 lines similar "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:34] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: It says "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[22:34] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: I expect this is but a simple config issue. Not a reason to (RE-)install.
[22:35] <daftykins> dnsmasq.
[22:36] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: See, a config issue. OK, is this a "managed Network" ? such that you have the icons in the task bar ? ( can enable DNS from there).
[22:36] <erlis> Good afternoon everyone
[22:37] <erlis> I need help with an error I'm getting in emacs "starter-kit"
[22:37] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: Sorry I don't know what you mean
[22:37] <erlis> basically I cannot install "starter-kit"
[22:37] <erlis> It's failing with message Wrong type argument: listp, "No commentary"
[22:38] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: Ask'd another way, do you have a standard desktop installation of ubuntu ?
[22:38] <erlis> anyone with emacs24 ?
[22:38] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: Yes just the standard 14.04 desktop installation (amd64)
[22:41] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: Be aware, I do not run with a "managed network", nor have I got 14.04 installed; so a bit of flying by the seat of our pants. In the tak bar you should have network icons - as 2 arrows in opposing directions, right click -> wired connection -> edit connection.
[22:42] <Bashing-om> *tak/task
[22:43] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: I have a wireless connection but I clicked edit
[22:45] <jost> When using ufw, how do I open a port for use with IPv4, but not IPv6?
[22:45] <jost> (just don't want to have an unused open port)
[22:46] <Guest43008> I tried changing the DNS server in IPv4 but no success
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: OH, my, Wireless I am gravely lacking in.. but still got to get ya a "nameserver" activated. // in the edit connections are fields to add the nameservers, right ?
[22:47] <daftykins> jost: is this system not behind a NAT router?
[22:47] <jost> daftykins: I'm not sure, but probably not.
[22:47] <daftykins> how come you're not sure?
[22:47] <daftykins> is it on your home network?
[22:47] <jost> daftykins: it's a cloud server
[22:48] <daftykins> ah i see
[22:48] <daftykins> i am of no use then, sorry
[22:54] <ki7mt> jost, if this is a hosted server, you need to speak with the host provider on how / if they configure 6to4 or 4to6, but here's the basics of enabling ports, it can be much more complex: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[22:54] <harumph> ugh. installing without recent updates and 3rd party software didn't fix the issue - still no wireless or wired connection after install. any other reasons why running the install media would have working networks but not when installed?
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: How are you doing ? Have you found the nameserver fields ?
[22:58] <ntz> harumph: depends.. does `ip a' command print something other than "lo" interface ?
[22:59] <Beldar> harumph, Run in the ubuntu terminal lspci and find the ethernet and wifi hardware and ket us know what it is
[22:59] <Beldar> let*
[22:59] <harumph> ntz: it prints: 1: lo: <LOOPBACK, UP, LOWER_UP> ....
[22:59] <Guest43008> Bashing-om: Sorry was afk. Yes it works now! I set it to <IP_ADDRESS> thanks for the help!!
[22:59] <harumph> i can type the whole thing here if that's helpful. i'm on a different computer, so no copy/paste.
[23:00] <ntz> harumph: I asked if it shows other interfaces than lo
[23:00] <harumph> no, just lo
[23:00] <ntz> so if there is 2: eth0
[23:00] <ntz> does `dmesg | grep eth' show something signicicant ?
[23:00] <ntz> **significant
[23:00] <ki7mt> Guest43008,  a quick test fer DNS checks: dig @<IP_ADDRESS> yahoo.com or something you know should render
[23:01] <harumph> ntz: nothing
[23:01] <ntz> so then just show us please an output from `lspci -v'
[23:01] <harumph> Beldar: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corp BCM4401-B0
[23:02] <ntz> save it to flash drive and pastebin please
[23:02] <Bashing-om> Guest43008: Good deal. Ya might wqnt to look at the name servers on the other machine and match this machin's nameserver. ( but nothing wrong to continue to use googles <IP_ADDRESS> and secondary <IP_ADDRESS> //.
[23:02] <Megabyte> hi guys
[23:02] <Megabyte> What do you think of open source documentation quality in general?
[23:02] <bastetx> howdy all
[23:03] <superlou> Megabyte, typically as good or better than proprietary documentation
[23:03] <Megabyte> superlou, Super, as what kind of computer user would you describe yourself?
[23:04] <ntz> harumph: in short, paradoxly, licevcd contains proprietary and non-oss drivers which you have to add after installation by enabling respective option in menu
[23:04] <harumph> ntz:
[23:04] <harumph> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
[23:04] <harumph> 	Subsystem: Dell Device 01bd
[23:04] <harumph> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
[23:04] <superlou> Megabyte, uh, linux user, embedded and web programmer, also I smell nice
[23:04] <harumph> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[23:04] <harumph>
[23:04] <unopaste> harumph you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[23:05] <Megabyte> superlou, and what documentation do you usually read? Compiler documentation?
[23:05] <harumph> 	Memory behind bridge: efc00000-efcfffff
[23:05] <harumph> 	Prefetchable memory behind bridge:<PHONE_NUMBER>000000-00000000801fffff
[23:05] <harumph> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[23:05] <harumph> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[23:05] <harumph>
[23:05] <ntz> omg
[23:05] <harumph> 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 4 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
[23:05] <superlou> Megabyte, library documentation, wiki pages, etc.
[23:05] <harumph> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
[23:05] <harumph> 	Bus: primary=00, secondary=0c, subordinate=0d, sec-latency=0
[23:05] <harumph> 	I/O behind bridge: 0000d000-0000dfff
[23:05] <harumph> 	Memory behind bridge: efa00000-efbfffff
[23:05] <harumph> 	Prefetchable memory behind bridge: 00000000e0000000-00000000e01fffff
[23:05] <harumph> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[23:06] <superlou> Megabyte, what are you getting at, sorry?
[23:06] <harumph> 	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
[23:06] <harumph>
[23:06] <Beldar> !pastebin | harumph
[23:06] <harumph> 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
[23:06] <harumph> 	Subsystem: Dell Device 01bd
[23:06] <harumph> 	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 20
[23:06] <harumph> 	I/O ports at bf80 [size=32]
[23:06] <ntz> seems like *unopaste bot has bug :D
[23:06] <harumph> 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
[23:06] <harumph>
[23:06] <harumph> 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [UHCI])
[23:06] <Beldar> yeah
[23:06] <harumph> 	Subsystem: Dell Device 01bd
[23:06] <harumph> 	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0, IRQ 21
[23:06] <harumph> 	I/O ports at bf60 [size=32]
[23:06] <unopaste> harumph you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[23:06] <pakair> maybe lspci -nn would be better
[23:06] <Megabyte> superlou, I'm trying to figure out what open source users expect of their documentation
[23:07]  * ntz goes for some coke before next chapter begins
[23:07] <harumph>
[23:07] <harumph> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e1) (prog-if 01 [Subtractive decode])
[23:07] <harumph> 	Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0
[23:07] <harumph> 	Bus: primary=00, secondary=03, subordinate=03, sec-latency=32
[23:07] <harumph> 	Memory behind bridge: ef900000-ef9fffff
[23:07] <ntz> !ops
[23:07] <harumph> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[23:07] <harumph>
[23:08] <harumph> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
[23:08] <harumph> 	Subsystem: Dell Device 01bd
[23:08] <harumph> 	Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 0
[23:08] <harumph> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[23:08] <harumph> 	Kernel driver in use: lpc_ich
[23:08] <harumph>
[23:08] <harumph> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7-M Family) SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 01) (prog-if 80 [Master])
[23:08] <unopaste> harumph you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[23:08] <apb_> Megabyte: Accuracy.  Detail.   Plus Quick Start summary info.
[23:08] <superlou> Megabyte, relatively thorough, or at least clear where the "todos" are.  Also, DRY and readable code can go a long way
[23:08] <admin1> looking for rdp program to remote to windows 8 computer
[23:08] <apb_> I like my code a bit wet
[23:09] <pakair> admin1, rdesktop
[23:09] <harumph> 	Memory at efdf0000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
[23:09] <harumph> 	[virtual] Expansion ROM at efd00000 [disabled] [size=128K]
[23:09] <harumph> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[23:09] <harumph> 	Kernel driver in use: radeon
[23:09] <harumph>
[23:09] <harumph> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02)
[23:09] <unopaste> harumph you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[23:09] <apb_> moist might be the right word
[23:09] <ntz> hahaha
[23:09] <gotxi> hi everyone! i need some help with mounting a raid with ntfs partition, anyone can help me? :)
[23:11] <harumph> gawd. i broke irc.
[23:11] <CyberSix> harumph, doit again!
[23:12] <Megabyte> superlou, If you guys had the power to ask for detailed documentation of anything for one day to make your life easier, what would you ask for?
[23:12] <CyberSix> manual on women.
[23:12] <superlou> Well played.
[23:13] <pakair> harumph, go to http://pastebin.com and paste the result of lspci -nn Then post that url
[23:13] <ki7mt> Megabyte, that's a question only the end user can answer, and would very per user. I may want technical information, someone else may want just the facts, that doesn't mean the docs are good or bad if they don't provide either.
[23:13] <superlou> Agreed
[23:13] <Megabyte> ki7mt, you wouldn't consider yourselves end users?
[23:13] <harumph> http://pastebin.com/fwJhumUv
[23:13] <superlou> Right now, I'd like to know the URL of the link behind the stream at http://lmctvny.swagit.com/live/
[23:14] <daftykins> gotxi: what kind of RAID?
[23:14] <daftykins> !ot
[23:14] <daftykins> guys, keep it relevant or join -offtopic please.
[23:15] <gt8ost4l> i need help how do i get to the commandline in eclipse
[23:15] <ki7mt> Megabyte, I would and do, but what I want, and what I want, and other want, may be two different things. This is really OT for Ubuntu channel, probably better for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:15] <gotxi> daftykins: i have a ISW raid 0 of 2 discs, the only way i can mount it is with the gnome automount, if i try to manually mount it it is mounted as read only
[23:16] <admin1> i need to rdp in to my windows 8 pc any program best for that
[23:16] <gotxi> i would like to mount it manually with /etc/fstab or with some command in etc/rc.local
[23:16] <Megabyte> ki7mt, don't you think Ubuntu would benefit from better documentation? Or do you think it is well-documented?
[23:16] <ki7mt> !best
[23:16] <ki7mt> whoops, that used to work.. LOL..
[23:16] <daftykins> gotxi: hmm, intel chipset RAID-0? nasty. i don't think that's without risk
[23:17] <superlou> Megabyte, Ubuntu is a huge project.  There's pieces that could use better documentation, but there's also a huge community that is constantly providing updates
[23:17] <gotxi> daftykins: i managed to mount it creating a new dev/mapper device with "#ldmtool create all" command, and then clicking over it in nautilus, and gnome auto mount does it
[23:18] <superlou> To the end user, it's not much different than any other OS.
[23:18] <Megabyte> superlou, that is true... Ubuntu has a huge community
[23:18] <ki7mt> Megabyte, Yes I do, and Im part of the docs team, but there is a a channel for that, ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-manual
[23:18] <gotxi> daftykins: but i need to do that click to mount it, if i mount it with a manual mount, it mounts as read only, besides it has rw in the mount
[23:18] <daftykins> ^indeed please move all non-support talk to those other channels
[23:20] <gotxi> daftykins: i would like to auto mount it when system starts without me doing that click in nautilus. It is posible?
[23:23] <daftykins> gotxi: i have no experience with the ldmtool you mentioned so i don't see how you would do that
[23:23] <daftykins> is one click really too much? :)
[23:24] <gotxi> the idea is to have a media streaming system without screen mouse or keyboard, so yes, it is a problem for me to do that click
[23:25] <gotxi> it would be really weird to do a vnc connection just for doing one click, besides it should mount it correctly
[23:25] <daftykins> why is an NTFS RAID-0 used in a Linux system then? :)
[23:25] <daftykins> it'd be fine if the RAID were created with native tools
[23:26] <gotxi> i have almost 4 tb of data in that raid, i cant burn it to dvd or upload to dropbox
[23:26] <harumph> pakair: http://pastebin.com/fwJhumUv
[23:26] <daftykins> 4TB in a RAID-0? omw.
[23:26] <gotxi> yes, why not?
[23:26] <daftykins> because one disk dies and it's all gone.
[23:26] <buu> gotxi: Do you hate your data?
[23:27] <gotxi> that's what everyone tell me, but the HDD also does half of the work each
[23:27] <gotxi> i have that raid for 5 years and still intact
[23:27] <daftykins> lol.
[23:27] <buu> So its nearing its MTBF ?
[23:27] <daftykins> ok well anyway sorry i don't know
[23:28] <gotxi> no problem, thanks for caring anyway :)
[23:28] <buu> gotxi: Anyway, you have a raidcard exposing this raid to linux?
[23:28] <gotxi> nope, asus motherboard "hardware" raid (ISW)
[23:28] <gotxi> my old mobo was an asus too, the raid migrated correctly from the old mobo to this one without losing data
[23:29] <buu> gotxi: Uh, how does the kernel see it? As a device?
[23:29] <HotSwap> Hey, anyone have a suggestion for a web administration panel?  Both webmin and zentyal are broken in ubuntu 14.04 with no apparent workarounds.
[23:29] <buu> HotSwap: ssh
[23:29] <HotSwap> funny
[23:29] <buu> thanks
[23:29] <gotxi> ls /dev/mapper -> "isw_deibedgabi_DEIMOS" and "isw_deibedgabi_DEIMOS1"
[23:30] <loa> how i can use ssh key auth in cronjob?
[23:30] <gotxi> thats how ubuntu sees the raid
[23:30] <gotxi> with "#ldmtool create all" command it creates a new mapper device: "ldm_vol_PHOBOS-Dg0_Volume1"
[23:30] <feitinge1> gotxi: first, take backup, second, try mount -o rw -t ntfs /dev/asd /where/ever and see if you can write
[23:30] <gotxi> that ldm is what i can mount
[23:31] <buu> gotxi: Do you have a /dev/dm-* device?
[23:31] <feitinge1> gotxi: i feel sorry for you knowing that you will probably lose your data within a year or so
[23:31] <anom> I have two laptops running Ubuntu, the newer (1080p) displays  colors differently to my older laptop. Is there anyway to see  which laptop has the correct settings?
[23:32] <gotxi> yes -> dm-0  dm-1  dm-2
[23:32] <jon-work> im on 12.04 and 'sudo do-release-upgrade' says 'checking for new release. no new release found' why cant it find 14.04?
[23:32] <feitinge1> anom: unless you have proper color profiles loaded, they are probably both "wrong"
[23:33] <gt8ost4l> anyknow know how to access keytoool.exe via commandline?
[23:33] <Jordan_U> gotxi: Why are you using Windows Dynamic Disks rather than just an msdos or GPT label?
[23:33] <anom> They both give the same xgamma output: red 1.000, green 1.000, blue 1.000 urghhhhh
[23:33] <feitinge1> Jordan_U: he probably don't have space to migrate 4TB away from what he's stuck with
[23:33] <HotSwap> jon-work, do-release-upgrade -d will make it find it
[23:34] <jon-work> so i have to upgrade to 13.xx to get to 14?
[23:34] <gotxi> i just switched from windows 7 to ubuntu, formatted my old C:\ partition and installed ubuntu. I have a D: partition with almost 4 tb of data that i created with windows 5 years ago
[23:34] <HotSwap> shouldn't have to
[23:34] <HotSwap> i did 12.04 straight to 14.04 on a system
[23:34] <jon-work> i dont understand why i need -d then, isnt that for devel releases?
[23:34] <Jordan_U> gotxi: Do you know what LDM/ Windows Dynamic Disks is?
[23:35] <HotSwap> it is, but i they havent pushed 14.04 out to LTS clients yet
[23:35] <gotxi> barely
[23:35] <HotSwap> that will happen later
[23:35] <HotSwap> so if you want to force it now, gotta -d it
[23:35] <HotSwap> or such is my recollection from what i did this the other week
[23:35] <jon-work> ok. very strange to have a release but it not being ready yet..
[23:35] <Yelu> anom, maybe not a ubuntu problem => http://www.qualitylogoproducts.com/lib/why-monitors-display-different-colors.htm
[23:36] <Beldar> jon-work, The LTS even though released is still a development till july with the official LTS upgrade.
[23:36] <HotSwap> jon-work, they decided to wait for the first point release i think
[23:36] <HotSwap> makes sense since lts is supposed to be rock solid
[23:37] <HotSwap> and, for example, try to install zentyal on 14.04 (why im here now)
[23:37] <buu> gotxi: Ok, so since I'm just coming in here, what happens when you try to mount the device created by ldm create all
[23:38] <daftykins> HotSwap: do not recommend running release upgrades with -d, at some point that will update people to 14.10 instead.
[23:38] <HotSwap> daftykins, then what's the appropriate way to upgrade to 14.04 now?
[23:38] <gotxi> root@deimux:~# mount -t ntfs /dev/mapper/ldm_vol_PHOBOS-Dg0_Volume1 /media/gotxi/Datos/ -> and it mounts well, i can read it but i cant write on it
[23:39] <daftykins> gotxi: ah, maybe just add -o rw
[23:39] <buu> gotxi: Can you mount ntfs-3g instead?
[23:39] <ki7mt> Check cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades |grep ^Prompt  that should stay as lts .. unless your willing test.
[23:40] <Beldar> HotSwap, 5 years support, the official update is in july.
[23:40] <Beldar> er upgrade
[23:40] <gotxi> ok that seems to work :) i can create and delete files
[23:40] <HotSwap> "you can't do it" is never an answer I'll give :P
[23:41] <buu> gotxi: which worked?
[23:41] <ki7mt> If you want to upgrade to 1.40 now, use -d thencheck to ensure Prompt-lts is set again.
[23:41] <ki7mt> to 14.04 sri
[23:41] <gotxi> ntfs-3g also seems to work
[23:41] <gotxi> both
[23:41] <buu> huh
[23:41] <gotxi> -t ntfs and -t ntfs-3g both worked
[23:41] <buu> Oh well
[23:41] <gotxi> with the -o rw option
[23:42] <buu> That does seem like a useful option.
[23:43] <feitinge1> gotxi: you'll probably ignore me, but you should think about backing up or moving your data to other disks since disks normally fail before 5 years and most good disks won't last longer than 6 years
[23:44] <feitinge1> gotxi: install smartmontools and do smartctl -AiH /dev/sda to check the health to at least get a warning
[23:44] <Schnabeltierchen> setting up an ubuntu system, needing to do all the typing on an tablet-keyboard, cause i was running out of normal usb-keyboards... now my fingers feel twisted, broken and raped...
[23:44] <Beldar> HotSwap, None of your comments on this upgrade were said with any real clarity other than the -d that is all we want here, clear concise informed help.
[23:44] <gotxi> maybe, but i cant backup 4 tb, i dont have that space. Most i have in those disks are movies and games, i can redownload them if the disks fail, but i wont buy more while these work
[23:44] <ki7mt> Any good data recovery plan has at least 2 methods / levels of reduncy
[23:46] <feitinge1> ki7mt: so raid+tapes? but raid isn't backup :P
[23:46] <ki7mt> If you can't do a full back up, at least get the mission critical stuff onto some other media.
[23:46] <Jeeves_Moss> how do I connect my USB 3G modem to the Bell canada netwrok from the cli?
[23:46] <Schnabeltierchen> gotxi, i went to my local computer dealer and borrowed an external drive for this... copied all data from my nas to the external, fixed my nas and deleted/formated the ext and gave it back without needing it, cause no data were lost while fixing my nas :D
[23:47] <ki7mt> feitinge1, it's up to the CIO as to what is acceptable for recovery, but "anything" is better that "nothing"
[23:48] <gotxi> for that, i should borrow a couple of  2tb usb drives, or 4 1tb usb drives, i dont know anyone who can borrow me that :(
[23:48] <Schnabeltierchen> gotxi is there an pc dealer/shop in your neightbourhood?
[23:48] <gotxi> yes, 4 or 5 stores
[23:49] <Yelu> Wasn't gotxi telling us, that his backup/recovery strategy in case of emergency is called "cloud"? - I think, he's quite aware of his situation ...
[23:49] <feitinge1> gotxi: as ki7mt says, at least copy your photos and stuff you don't want to lose out somewhere
[23:49] <Schnabeltierchen> go, ask and offer some money for renting an hdd
[23:49] <gotxi> ah, those are backed up, dont worry :) small and important data is easy to backup
[23:49] <Schnabeltierchen> the guy in the shop borrowed me an hdd for free, cause i´m doing all my pc shopping in there :D
[23:50] <ki7mt> That's a good point, even cloud storage, all be it slow,  is a cheap alternative to hardware solutions.
[23:50] <gotxi> i have a personal account on mega.co.nz and also i burned them on dvd
[23:50] <gotxi> i do all my computer shopping on amazon, in the stores is too expensive :P
[23:50] <Schnabeltierchen> i don´t like online-shopping....
[23:51] <gotxi> here in spain is the only way to save cash, stores are way too expensive for our wages
[23:51] <Schnabeltierchen> i like talking with the guys in the shop, get some pieces for free, cause the owner likes me....
[23:51] <ki7mt> gotxi, I think that's the case just about everywhere unfortunately.
[23:52] <gotxi> :(
[23:53] <gotxi> anyway, you helped me, and i owe you a big thanks to you people :D
[23:53] <Schnabeltierchen> and now: trying to run minecraft on arm, take 9999
[23:53] <shtrwlf> open source like ubuntu will help innovation shift global trends to green, renewable ... intelligent .. SMART
[23:53] <shtrwlf> hopefully that will create jobs
[23:54] <Schnabeltierchen> anybody here running minecraft with ubuntu on arm? could need some help..
[23:54] <Beldar> shtrwlf, really, you hold your breath for that. ;)
[23:54] <loa> how i can use ssh key auth in cronjob?
[23:54] <jrib> loa: is your key encrypted with a password?
[23:54] <shtrwlf> well if people dont utilize the information given them and choose entertainment and distraction I'd say were cooked
[23:55] <gotxi> thanks again for your help, its late here so im going to sleep. see you guys :)
[23:55] <zhangjie> hello
[23:58] <cyborgcygnus> Where to find out where or when ubuntu mobiles & tablets will be available in Australia (O-stralia)