[00:01] <jakubo> night
[00:01] <magn3ts> is 11.10 not LTS?
[00:01] <magn3ts> I thought it was .
[00:01] <jakubo> nope
[00:01] <jakubo> 12.04 will be
[00:01] <magn3ts> Ah
[00:01] <jakubo> 8.04, 10.04, 12.04
[00:02] <BUGabundo> not there's an hard rule for it
[00:03] <jakubo> but i wonder how much behind they will be in systemd and stuff since the incoming "threat" of stableizing until 12.04 is to be attacked
[00:03] <jakubo> guess until 12.10 the releases will remain rather boring...
[00:06] <magn3ts> Heh, Natty wasn't enough for you?'
[00:07] <jakubo> i like natty
[00:08] <BUGabundo> natty is old
[00:08] <BUGabundo> I used it 6 months ago
[00:08] <jakubo> so did i
[00:08] <jakubo> and it didnt change much^^
[01:48] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:37] <n0yd> Is there a way to download a daily/nightly build of ocelet? im fine with breakage
[02:42] <micahg> n0yd: try testdrive
[02:43] <n0yd> ie. testing in a vm?
[02:43] <micahg> n0yd: yes, but testdrive can rsync the latest ISO
[02:43] <n0yd> id really prefer a striaght iso...
[02:44] <n0yd> oh ok
[02:44] <n0yd> i just fine it odd its nit available anywhere
[02:44] <micahg> n0yd: you don't have to run it in the VM if you don't want to
[02:44] <micahg> n0yd: oh, hmm, I guess there are no images yet
[02:44] <n0yd> i know its knew and plenty of breakage occurs, but still
[02:44] <n0yd> new*
[02:49] <n0yd> Anyone know if wubi keeps the iso it downloaded via torrent for sebsequent installs?
[03:04] <jbicha> n0yd: daily images haven't been built yet, things are still in very early transition
[03:56] <knightautwell> hey hows everyone doing today
[03:57] <pooltable> when will the 11.11 or 10.11 going to start testing ?
[03:58] <IdleOne> !schedule
[03:58] <knightautwell> whats the new verison going to have?
[03:59] <knightautwell> anyone?>
[03:59] <pooltable> not sure
[03:59] <IdleOne> it isn't even alpha yet
[04:00] <pooltable> i do not like the unity thing
[04:00] <knightautwell> i know lol but what are they planning on implementing
[04:00] <knightautwell> me either thats why i use classic
[04:01] <knightautwell> i personally like classic better. it screws with my graphics card
[04:02] <knightautwell> i mean unity screws with my graphics card
[04:02] <pooltable> make it look more like mac i know some people will not like it but is easy to use like ubuntu is easy to use for most first timers
[04:02] <knightautwell> you mean make ubuntu look more like a mac?
[04:02] <IdleOne> if I wanted to use OSX I would buy it
[04:02] <pooltable> in a way yes
[04:02] <IdleOne> make it look like Ubuntu
[04:03] <knightautwell> lol i tried to dual bot osx lion it didnt work out as planned lol
[04:03] <pooltable> i know
[04:04] <pooltable> i like osx i just wish there way a cheaper why to buy a mac
[04:04] <pooltable> for the price of a mac i can buy al most two computers
[04:04] <knightautwell> i know lol. it messed up. they are more exclusive too. more support as well
[04:05] <pooltable> another question if you may help is i have a picture with the word proof on it like to edit it out what the the best way to do that?
[04:05] <knightautwell> gimp lol
[04:06] <pooltable> any other ?
[04:06] <knightautwell> uhm not to sure you could try paint shop pro using wine other than that im not sure.
[04:07] <knightautwell> i havent used ubuntu much lol i had to switch back because of a tracking bug on my laptop haha
[04:08] <pooltable> i only useing ubuntu due to a bad sector on hard drive linux or ubuntu know how to handel them better
[04:09] <knightautwell> i like ubuntu alot because if somethings wrong its easier to fix it than windows lol. windows is too locked down for my liking
[04:10] <knightautwell> cant you fix the bad sector tho with a repair disk? or hirens boot cd?
[04:12] <pooltable> well at the time i think i refomat the hadr drive 1 windows 7 2 ubuntu 3 windows 7 4 ubuntu so  4 times ever time i went back to windows 7 xp it run for about a month then i get errors
[04:13] <LLStarks> there are serious focus issues with firefox with these gnome3 updates
[04:13] <knightautwell> lol sounds about what i do lol i do mine on purpose tho i get tired of one and i switch to the other lol
[04:15] <pooltable> so now i on ubuntu to i get  one new hadr drive or new computer
[04:15] <pooltable> hard
[04:15] <knightautwell> lol that sucks
[04:18] <pooltable> well i am looking and wating for the new AMD X8
[04:19] <pooltable> so i will jump from what i have to a X8 a huge junp
[04:20] <pooltable> i cant to get my deam computer under 1000 no matter what i do if i buy the part i not sure how to put the motherboard in the caes or the CPU on the monther board so that will cost me money
[04:22] <pooltable> what do you think of no OPEN OFFICE ?
[04:22] <pooltable> the new one for me takes longer to load
[04:34] <knightautwell> i have a question login screen settings wont unlock when i press the unlock button
[05:11] <knightautwell> hey i have a problem i tried  to uninstall KDE and it screwed up bad lol now it wont boot to the log in screen it hangs
[05:12] <knightautwell> how can i fix my boot up files?
[05:15] <knightautwell> anyone?
[05:20] <braiam> knightautwell: go to #kubuntu , they should know ;)
[05:21] <knightautwell> why kubuntu?
[05:24] <braiam> knightautwell: kubuntu is the kde flavor of ubuntu :/
[05:25] <knightautwell> hey whats your take on gnome 3?
[06:42] <litropy> First, I want to thank you guys for everything you do. Where can I find a discussions and/or collated list of intended changes for Oneiric Ocelot?
[06:43] <bazhang> litropy, some major blogs covering UDS
[06:43] <litropy> s/find a/find
[06:43] <litropy> bazhang, thanks. searching ...
[06:43] <bazhang> litropy, I saw at webupd8
[07:08] <bobweaver> anyone know where i can get a daily build of 11.10? if there is one?
[07:17] <bobweaver> I see that alpha1 comes out june 2nd
[07:20] <nit-wit> can't find any
[09:49] <DocPlatypus> who's bright idea was it to get rid of the classic GNOME interface for 11.10?
[09:50] <daedaluz> Shuttleworth, I presume
[09:50] <kklimonda> gnome developers'
[09:50] <kklimonda> there is no "classic" gnome in gnome3 anyway.
[09:52] <daedaluz> was 11.10 the new LTS again
[09:52] <DocPlatypus> no 12.04 is the new LTS, I think
[09:52] <daedaluz> good. there's just too much new stuff flying around to make it LTS
[09:53] <DocPlatypus> I still like GNOME 3's interface much more than Unity, looking at the screenshots
[09:53] <kklimonda> don't judge the book by its cover.
[09:54] <kklimonda> it's nice but, at least for now, less polished than unity
[09:54] <DocPlatypus> though in honesty... I still prefer GNOME 2 to either
[09:56] <daedaluz> luckily there's XFCE. I heard quite a lot GNOME developers defected to that project
[09:58] <DocPlatypus> XFCE does look interesting, and it looks like they borrowed a lot from GNOME
[10:01] <DocPlatypus> looks like I am sticking to 11.04 for a while then
[10:02] <DocPlatypus> or maybe someone will make a GNOME variant of Ubuntu a la Kubuntu, Xubuntu et al
[10:13]  * tsimpson would say "GNOME variant of Ubuntu is Ubuntu", but people are all like "OMG CHANGE!! I HATEZ CHANGE!!!"
[10:18] <daedaluz> I still think Unity is a terrible idea. nothing wrong with change, but GNOME3 is much better thought out entity, has more developers & distros backing it and has fewer dependencies.
[10:20] <tsimpson> OMG!! CHANGE, IT BURNS!!
[10:21] <daedaluz> well, name one thing that's better in Unity than in GNOME3
[10:22] <tsimpson> I haven't tried GNOME3 yet, so anything I say would be baseless
[11:43] <matrixa1> daedaluz, nautilus, because i'd rather look for the executable and click it than use unity
[11:44] <matrixa1> though, it's the best solution for tablets
[11:58] <ior3k> does the gnome3 panel support app indicators?
[11:58] <ior3k> I use xmonad and gnome, so unity is out of the question for me, but I'm pretty fond of app indicators (including appmenu)
[15:24] <hifi> ok, what the heck is broken that gimp, eye of gnome and even ristretto is broken
[15:25] <hifi> gimp can still load images but whines about unsupported type png, eog just fails to open and ristretto says "loading" but does not show anything
[15:25] <hifi> some common component is missing
[15:28] <hifi> is it gtk that is borked
[15:38] <arand> hifi: Works for me on uity2d, before opening the floodgates of recent updates..
[15:38] <hifi> (gpicview:32532): Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon from file '/usr/share/pixmaps/gpicview.png':
[15:38] <hifi>         Couldn't recognize the image file format for file '/usr/share/pixmaps/gpicview.png'
[15:38] <hifi> /usr/share/pixmaps/gpicview.png: PNG image data, 48 x 48, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
[15:38] <hifi> it has lost all image formats except jpg
[15:39] <hifi> some recent update broke it
[15:39] <hifi> during this week
[15:39] <hifi> this is starting to get a bit annoying, would like to find out what it was...
[15:42] <hifi> right, reinstalling libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 fixed it
[15:42] <hifi> back to business
[16:33] <arand> hmm, eog and co. still works, though the upgrade borked gtk theme engine for me :)
[16:34] <IdleOne> !partial
[17:07] <g0bl1n> In Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.10 the Workspace Switcher was much more awesome than in Unity 11.04. It "ordered" all hidden the windows. Can't Unity do that ? Will it be planned to 11.10 ?
[17:07] <g0bl1n> * the hidden
[19:33] <gnomefreak> anyone know if libgvfscommon0 is safe to remove?
[19:33]  * gnomefreak not seeing a problem with removing it
[19:37] <gnomefreak> also what do i need to do to read an .azw?
[22:41] <lucas-arg> pleeease make ubuntu boot look niceeeee with all video cards!... go back to usplash if its neccesary!
[23:25] <BUGabundo> so who broke metacity?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> as if compiz wasn't bad enough already
[23:25] <BUGabundo> did we drop the entire WM now?
[23:33]  * charlie-tca thinks it might be the latest in improvements
[23:35] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: no WM is NOT an improvement
[23:35] <charlie-tca> heh
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I have a BIG blue "desktop" that I can't click
[23:35] <BUGabundo> even if my soccer club is blue and won't the europe championchio yesterday
[23:35] <BUGabundo> its not fun to see that much blue
[23:35] <BUGabundo> plues no composite
[23:36] <BUGabundo> and very ugly GTK unthemed
[23:36] <IdleOne> BUGabundo: have you tried ubuntu classic (no effects)?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> tried to reload metacity and load compiz
[23:36] <BUGabundo> no luch
[23:36] <BUGabundo> it just kills the terminal
[23:36] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: I'm on classic
[23:36] <BUGabundo> since for ever
[23:45] <arand> Yea, I got no gtk theme engine as well, though the unity2d stuff around it seems to still be working a-ok
[23:46] <BUGabundo> arand: so anything posted to LP?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> or is it a feature?
[23:47] <arand> I think it's in the feature stage yet, did a quick search..
[23:49] <BUGabundo> and updates are getting slower and slower
[23:49] <IdleOne> it's funny how people are always surprised about breakage at the beginning of a dev cycle
[23:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:50] <IdleOne> btw this may be of interest to some in here
[23:50] <IdleOne> !poweruser
[23:51] <arand> Not really, that's why I'm being naughty and not reporting it, guessing that it will just fix itself with more syncing or sommat..
[23:52] <IdleOne> !no poweruser is <reply> If you are interested in helping the Ubuntu Power User community or want more information / join #ubuntu-power-users Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerUsers
[23:52] <IdleOne> err
[23:52] <IdleOne> !no poweruser is <reply> If you are interested in helping the Ubuntu Power User community or want more information /join #ubuntu-power-users Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerUsers
[23:52] <mdel> anyone know the proper PPA for freenx on natty?
[23:52] <IdleOne> not sure there is one
[23:53] <arand> freenx was going proprietary last time I heard about it..
[23:53] <mdel> hmm.. guess I'll have to build it
[23:53] <arand> Oh, and for natty you want #ubuntu
[23:53] <mdel> arand: yes, i know
[23:53] <mdel> this applies to +1 as well, as I'm trying to find the same for ocelot
[23:54] <IdleOne> http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/posts/freenx-server-is-dead-vive-neatx-server
[23:54] <BUGabundo> wut?
[23:54] <IdleOne> that says maverick but you can check the PPA and see if they have 11.10 packages


[14:03] <damianos> Hello errbody
[15:51] <damianos> I'm primarily a web developer that's been teaching myself gtk3 and rust. I'd like to start hacking on some of the Ubuntu Studio packages and contributing some patches. Not sure where I can find the git repos. Could somebody point me in the right direction please ?
 *pokes @Eickmeyer*
[15:52] <Eickmeyer> damianos: Our repos are at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: ERR:NeedCoffee
[15:53] <damianos> Thank you kindly sir
 Eickmeyer: ERR:NotEnoughCoffee … In the process of raising the error, another error was thrown: … ERR:ChaosRisesThisDay
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> damianos: They're actually spread in several areas on launchpad, but at least they're indext under Code>View Git Repos
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> *indexed
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: oof
[15:55] <teward> yup
[16:03] <damianos> So out of curiosity, are the packages being delivered via snaps yet?
[16:04] <damianos> Just wondering if that is also something I need to brush up on
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> damianos: Not any of the ubuntustudio-* packages, which are the only ones we really touch.
 *sits on Eickmeyer*
 your package has flaws.  either that or LP Git is busted again
 probably the second one :P
 What's broken?
 git
 Shocker.
 y'all should run your own git somewhere :P
 but not phab :P
 I've been considering mirroring to github, but that hasn't been a huge priority.
 ewwww github
 Microsoft owns that now
 I have no problem with that.  Looks like wgrant posted an issue with it.
[16:25] <Eickmeyer> teward: So, uh... bummer with your issues then.
[16:25] <teward> yep
[16:25] <teward> but that's only while i'm here at work
[16:25] <teward> i'll be home and pull it later
[16:25] <teward> i get to leave in 3.5hrs
 Sweet.
[16:33] <studiobot> dszidi was added by: Eickmeyer
 @dszidi Thischannel is bridged to #ubuntustudio-dev. I encourage you to work with OvenWerks on any UI improvements. Pull Requests are nice. :)
 Will do. I will install Ubuntu studio into a VM.  I just reloaded my thinkpad so I have to finish getting up and running with my angular stuff.
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> Be careful, Ubuntu Studio doesn't play nice in VMs (specifically, the lowlatency kernel).
 Well for UI and cosmetic stuff that shouldn't be too big of an issue. At least not in the beginning
 Well, I hope so. The problem is that it typically freezes on boot.
 In that case, I have another desktop I can load it onto
 Is Carla part of this Ubuntu Studio or is there an upstream project?
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> There's an upstream project for that, but I'm the package maintainer.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Meaning, I don't touch the code, I just touch everything in the debian directory.
 ah, gotcha
 So which UIs do we touch then.  Installer and configuration utilities + XFCE?
[17:04] <Eickmeyer> Really, the only things we really do any development on are ubuntustudio-controls and ubuntustudio-installer. Everything else is upstream.
[17:05] <Eickmeyer> Though, like I said, we do want to fork Non Session Manager.
 Cool
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> The Xubuntu team mostly handles xfce. We do handle some of the configuration, but right now that's pretty much set.
 Got it
 @Eickmeyer got the code downloaded now going over the packaging this time
 👍


[00:37] <blackboxsw> thank smoser
[00:37] <smoser> blackboxsw, tox && git pushing now
[00:38] <smoser> then i'll upload again
[00:46] <smoser> blackboxsw, ok. that is uploaded. i go away for the night now.
[00:49] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330954
[00:49] <smoser> and now i really *am* gone.
[00:49] <smoser> later.
[00:50] <smoser> uploaded
[16:13] <rharper> smoser: do we know if any public cloud where we can test DataSourceOVF ?
[16:14] <smoser> well you can test it locally
[16:14] <smoser> by providing an ovf iso. doc shows how to create one
[16:15] <rharper> ok
[16:15] <smoser> sankaradita has one
[16:16] <rharper> ok
[16:17] <rharper> https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/330995    this is what I'm going to test;  I think it's a good cleanup w.r.t reducing the number of devices we actually probe (and re-using blkid cache)
[16:18] <dpb1> rharper: for a workaround for the case?  or a medium term fix?
[16:18] <rharper> long term
[16:19] <dpb1> k
[16:19] <rharper> it's only looking for devices with iso9660 filesystem, blkid can do that quite quickly (and cloud-init respects the blkid cache); ds-identify will probe this early
[16:19] <rharper> so, this should speed up OVF probing dramatically for systems with more than just one block device
[16:27] <smoser> rharper, i'm pretty sure the mounting we're doing in the default case is doing a mount -t iso9660
[16:27] <smoser> which i'd think would fail unless youhad iso9660
[16:27] <smoser> so i'm not sure how this would cause races with other mounts.
[16:34] <smoser> not sure why we're failing https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+recipe/cloud-init-daily-xenial
[16:36] <blackboxsw> test_openstack_on_non_intel_is_maybe   hmm
[16:36] <blackboxsw> checking maybe it's a leaked mock thing?
[16:36] <blackboxsw> or unmocked leak I mean
[16:40] <smoser> yeah. thats all i can think of.
[16:41] <smoser> i can't reproduce it on the branch (ubuntu/xenial) though
[16:41] <smoser> even with patches applied
[16:41] <smoser> so trying in a container
[18:32] <smoser> blackboxsw, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/331012
[18:50] <seven-eleven> hi
[18:50] <seven-eleven> how can i run something after cloud-init is done?
[18:50] <seven-eleven> basically i want my custom systemd unit file "openvpn2.service" run after cloud-init setup the hostname
[18:51] <blackboxsw> smoser: approved
[18:54] <seven-eleven> what i tried and didn't work: (1) appending After=cloud-init.target to openvpn2.service, (2) supplying user-data via droplets **user-data kwargs "systemctl daemon-reload; systemctl restart openvpn2"
[18:55] <blackboxsw> seven-eleven: :n
[18:56] <blackboxsw> seven-eleven: sorry I'm looking now. I thought systemd chaining would do that for you. but I'm checking which service you need to be after
[18:56] <seven-eleven> maybe i can tell cloud-init in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg   @ cloud_final_modules:  to restart my openvpn2, so it grabs the new hostname :]
[18:56] <seven-eleven> blackboxsw, let me paste my service
[18:57] <seven-eleven> blackboxsw, my customized openvpn2.service unit http://dpaste.com/1YF2AV0 which uses %H for hostname
[19:15] <seven-eleven> it's actually starting my service fine, but when i want to restart the service i have to run `systemctl daemon-reload`, else it fails. i can leave it like that, but it's not perfect :-)
[19:16] <seven-eleven> it fails with the error "Failed to start OpenVPN connection to bus1." and bus1 is the hostname of the vm i created the snapshot from
[19:18] <rharper> smoser: re mount -t iso9660, we passed mtype to the util.mount_cb, all this does is change the list of candidate devices from os.listdir(dev)  to blkid -odevice -tTYPE=iso9660;  we still pass mtype into mount_cb;
[19:19] <blackboxsw> seven-eleven: not sure if this helps, but what about After=cloud-final.service
[19:19] <blackboxsw> that's the last stage to run
[19:19] <blackboxsw> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/boot.html#final
[19:20] <blackboxsw> seven-eleven: you could also add a runcmd: ['systemctl daemon-restart <yourservice>']   and that should be run in final stage
[19:20] <smoser> rharper, right.
[19:20] <smoser> but two things i was suggesting
[19:21] <seven-eleven> blackboxsw, let me try. i was also thinking to maybe add Before= to cloud-final
[19:21] <smoser> a.) you can/should further limit th results through the regex that was already being done. otherwise you risk extending the breadth inadvertantly.
[19:21] <smoser> b.) the fact that we were passing '-t iso9660' makes me think that this was not actually the bug
[19:22] <smoser> because there is basically no way that 'mount -t iso9660' was going to work on any of the entries in the fstab provided.
[19:22] <smoser> so i dont know how it would have caused issues.
[19:23] <rharper> a) already limits to block devices with iso9660; the regex is likely too narrow but practically I see you point;  if there were possibly a block device that's outside of the regex, OVF claims to not want to look at it even if it has an iso9660;  that's debatable but certainly increased the "scope" however unlikely
[19:24] <rharper> b) is more interesting;  I wonder if mount's -t opens and peeks at the filesystem type
[19:25] <rharper> if that's done via exclusive-open, it could race with a .mount unit
[19:25] <rharper> which expects an exclusive-open
[19:25] <smoser> right. so we should just avoid inadvertantly extending the scope.
[19:25] <smoser> (and by doing so actually further *limit* this questionable search, which is good)
[19:25] <rharper> smoser: yes; I can add the regex check back into the search;
[19:25] <rharper> pratically it won't matter but it's certainly possible
[19:25] <smoser> so yeah, it could be doing a exclusive open and a read-check for the fs magic
[19:26] <smoser> but that'd seem *so* fast
[19:26] <smoser> that i cant imagine we'd actually hit the issue
[19:26] <smoser> open; read(4096); check; close()
[19:26] <smoser> that is really really really fast
[19:26] <rharper> races are races, however small
[19:26] <rharper> the block device can be slow to respond
[19:26] <smoser> but you woudlnt have seen someone report this
[19:26] <smoser> or if you did, they couldnt reproduce
[19:27] <smoser> thats my feeling.
[19:27] <rharper> right, and
[19:27] <smoser> i dont deny that it *could* happen
[19:27] <rharper> its mostly only reproducible with large sets of mounts
[19:27] <rharper> agreed
[19:27] <smoser> just very unlikely that it is the source of the bug if i understand it right.
[19:28] <rharper> the data from wolsen was that after disabling OVF datasource, some multi-hundred reboots never reproduces, where with OVF in, it reproduces every 3 or so
[19:28] <rharper> this on a contrived instrance with like 26 ebs volumes
[19:30] <smoser> that sounds plausible
[19:33] <smoser> rharper, also limiting the mount-callbac-umount
[19:33] <smoser> we are also passing -o ro
[19:35] <rharper> it was also doing util.peek
[19:35] <rharper> which does an open and a read
[19:35] <rharper> well, filtering the set of devices we poke to zero (unless they have an iso9660) will surely work
[19:36] <rharper> I generally expect that OVF run much faster that we're not checking all that regex devices, opening/read and also mount_cb each one
[19:38] <smoser> rharper, well, blkid is going to also do an open
[19:38] <smoser> fwiw
[19:38] <rharper> no
[19:38] <rharper> it's cached
[19:38] <rharper> ds-identify runs blkid first
[19:38] <rharper> then we just read the cache
[19:38] <smoser> i'm not sure that is the case
[19:39] <rharper> why do you think not?
[19:39] <smoser> we do call find_devs_with with no_cache=False. but i have never actually been able to determine what blkid does wrt its cache.
[19:39] <smoser> when it determines something is valid and when not
[19:40] <smoser> run:
[19:40] <smoser> sudo strace -o /tmp/out blkid
[19:40] <smoser> and then run it again
[19:40] <rharper> with -c/dev/null
[19:41] <smoser> we only pass -c/dev/null if no_cache == true
[19:41] <smoser> ie, thats supposed to be the "re-read everything"
[19:41] <smoser> it should re-use its cache if *not* given that
[19:41] <rharper> right, I just meant to compare the syscalls
[19:41] <rharper> so you can see what the cache buys you
[19:43] <rharper> w.r.t the cost;  for the instance with 26 volumes or so,  we have a total of 1.5 seconds time spent do 1) read /proc/mounts 2) regex match 3) peek file  4) mount_cb;
[19:43] <rharper> thats about 60 ms per device;  the filtering helps eliminate all of those;  that's pretty nice;
[19:47] <smoser> so i just never really understood what -c/dev/null does
[19:47] <smoser> it seems to still do stuff
[19:49] <rharper> -c means to ignore the cache; I suspect it depends on the query to some degree,
[21:00] <rharper> smoser: around?  have time for a ho on the mount race?  I've got some questions I wanted to bounce off you if you're available
[21:03] <smoser> quick. yeah. i got 10 minutes
[21:05] <rharper> k
[21:05] <rharper> smoser: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/cloud-init?authuser=1
[21:06] <smoser> in
[21:24] <seven-eleven> blackboxsw, sorry i was afk and could test only now. After=cloud-final.service didn't help. but by using run_cmd it worked. I used digitalocean's API and provided run_cmd through the user_data attribute: http://dpaste.com/29JDA2Z
[21:39] <akik> firewall-cmd --reload on centos 7 eats DOCKER-USER iptables chain. is that a problem?
[21:39] <akik> sorry wrong channel
[21:51] <blackboxsw> :)
[22:20] <blackboxsw> seven-eleven: good work!


[15:49] <linuxr> hi all, so I read about "Bleeding Tooth" and find this link (https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2020/CVE-2020-12351.html)...what is the status of this?
[16:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hey all! Noticing 20.04 isn't mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack yet. Got people wondering about it. I told them that HWE is enabled by default in 20.04 and not to worry, but you know how people are. :)
[16:32] <bjf> Eickmeyer[m], https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle is the more official documentation which we are trying to keep updated.
[16:32] <bjf> linuxr, we are aware of it and working to address it as quickly as possible
[16:33] <linuxr> bjf, alright, thanks!
[16:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> bjf: Yes, but that shows nothing about HWE and kernel versions.
[16:41] <bjf> Eickmeyer[m], did you scroll down to the Ubuntu Release Cycle portion where the point releases and kernel versions are in the graphic? yes, we are missing the 20.04.x point releases even from that.
[16:44] <bjf> Eickmeyer[m], *sigh* i just noticed the link back to the wiki page
[16:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> bjf: :)


[14:31] <hyperair> bleargh, so evdev thinks my bluetooth keyboard is a mouse
[14:31] <hyperair> =_=
[14:32] <hyperair> oh wait, it works after all


[01:02] <wldcordeiro__> What's the name of the fallback dm? I'm getting annoyed with it appearing instead of sddm when I open my laptop up from a suspend
[01:17] <jdm64> wldcordeiro: probably lightdm
[01:43] <eryndiamonds> I need some serious help. I am having an issue with Grub. I have tried repairing it, but still having issues. I'm getting a g-io-error-quark
[01:44] <eryndiamonds> This started after the last security update
[01:44] <eryndiamonds> I'm using 15.04
[01:45] <eryndiamonds> anyone here???????
[01:47] <krytarik> !patience | eryndiamonds
[01:48] <krytarik> eryndiamonds: For that, you could also ask in #ubuntu, btw.
[01:48] <eryndiamonds> How do I fix grub?
[02:13] <Irish_canon> Anyone here tonight
[02:14] <Irish_canon> trying to mount a harddrive and cant get it to work...   used fdis -l and kde partition
[02:52] <z4sk4> hi i can run on background this command: vboxheadless --startvm name &
[02:52] <z4sk4> on console i must pres ENTER to continue and on script still stop in this command
[02:52] <z4sk4> what can i do?
[03:32] <viyyer> Hi I am having difficulty starting X after upgrading to 15.04
[03:33] <viyyer> this is the error thrown by lightdm http://paste.ubuntu.com/11072521/
[05:20] <helloli> whoami
[07:40] <ejay> hi all
[08:56] <reader960> hello?
[09:17] <spiros23> ok my kubuntu break through the upgrade to new version
[09:17] <spiros23> the muon stop to responce and hangs at 87 install
[09:17] <spiros23> what can i do to save the installation now?
[09:18] <spiros23> 87%
[09:20] <spiros23> anyone
[09:20] <spiros23> ?
[09:22] <chek2fire> can anyone help me?
[09:23] <chek2fire> muon stops at 87% of installation through upgrade
[09:23] <chek2fire> how can restart the upgrade?
[09:42] <hateball> chek2fire: is there no "detail" button to click? it might show a terminal window expecting input
[09:42] <hateball> I don't do release-upgrades using GUI so I am not sure how it behaves
[11:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:41] <jalcine> so the package `extra-cmake-modules` should be a dependency of `libkf5runner-dev`; I wasn't able to use its sources without it
[13:06] <est31> hi there, after migrating my laptop to kubuntu 15.04 I've seen that all my widgets were lost
[13:06] <est31> I had to recreate them
[13:06] <est31> can I avoid that when I switch to 15.04 on my desktop?
[13:07] <Zippi> how can I disable vsync from cli? I turned it on from settings on my laptop and it makes the desktop unusable
[13:52] <mokush> is ksshaskpass pass working for you guys? I can't get it to work on vivid
[13:53] <slaknub> can i install kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop on the same pc?
[13:56] <Avihay_work> slaknub: yes you could, as there are no conflicts between them: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ...0 upgraded, 570 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. ...
[13:56] <Avihay_work> can*
[13:57] <slaknub> thanks
[13:58] <chek2fire> after the upgrade to newer version of kubuntu i cant see plasma dekstop anymore
[13:58] <chek2fire> i can see login screen but after login i have a black screen with the programmes windows
[13:58] <chek2fire> how can i run plasma 5 dekstop?
[14:01] <chek2fire> anyone know?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> chek2fire, drop to a tty/vt at the login and update and upgrade
[14:08] <chek2fire> but it has not new updates and upgrades
[14:09] <chek2fire> i have use in command line plasmashell and it returns kf5.kiconthemes: "Theme tree: (Breeze)"
[14:10] <chek2fire> when i use kdesudo plasmashell i can see kde 5 plasma desktop
[14:10] <chek2fire> but after login logout is the same dark dekstop
[14:13] <rsd> hello, using 15.04 + plasma 5.2 for a few days now.  Today, plasma won't start (.xsession-errors) point to a possible problem with \maybe\ kaccess and/or dbus.  has anyone seen something like this?
[14:15] <chek2fire> ok i can load plasma 5 desktop only with kdesudo plasmashell
[14:16] <chek2fire> but every time i login to desktop i have a black screen only with the programme windows
[14:22] <jalcine> chek2fire: are you running any special/exotic hardware?
[14:22]  * jalcine notes he couldn't use his nvidia drivers with 15.04
[14:24] <chek2fire> no
[14:24] <jalcine> you mentioned that muon didn't complete the upgrade
[14:24] <jalcine> you might want to run `sudo dpkg --configure -a` to fix any dangling setup options from the upgrade process
[14:24] <chek2fire> i have an solution from #kde channel they say to rm all the root owner files from /.cache$
[14:25] <chek2fire> i have problem in 87% with muon but i can complete installation from command line
[14:25] <chek2fire> i have to restart to see if this works
[14:27] <BluesKaj> wonder if he had a network dropout during the install
[14:27] <jalcine> ^ interesting
[14:28] <jalcine> think /var/log/dpkg.log would show that? if not /var/log/apt.log
[14:29] <BluesKaj> the symptoms seem so
[14:55] <chek2fire> ok i have some question with kde 5
[14:55] <chek2fire> how can i install the default bottom panel?
[15:09] <sysop2> hi, how can I get the bluetooth button on my bluetooth headset to run script when pressed?
[15:13] <chek2fire> when i try to open a widget like application launcer it returns this plasmoids/org.kde.plasma.pager/contents/ui/ main.gml:25:1:module "org.kde.plasma.private.pager" is not installed
[15:13] <chek2fire> any idea?
[15:49] <chek2fire> i use kubuntu from dapper and i think this is the worst version ever
[15:49] <chek2fire> it simple didnt work and plasma 5 is a crap desktop
[15:49] <chek2fire> now every time i login in it crashses
[15:50] <BluesKaj> chek2fire, I asked you a question overat #kde
[15:51] <chek2fire> yes i see it
[15:51] <chek2fire> how can i see the version?
[15:53] <BluesKaj> it will be plasma 5.2 if you used a regular 15.04 iso image
[15:53] <chek2fire> ok
[16:11] <jalomann> I tried to install Kubuntu 14.04 32bit. File check says there is error in 18 files on DVD.
[16:12] <jalomann> Checksum matches
[16:14] <jalomann> http://wstaw.org/w/3mGp/
[16:15] <jalcine> might need to rebuild that installation media, jalomann
[16:15] <jalomann> You mean reburn?
[16:20] <jalcine> if you burned it, sure :) I typically use USB disks, none of my laptops have CD or DVD drives
[16:20] <OerHeks> check your iso first
[16:21] <jalcine> jalomann: also check the ISO's SHA256
[16:21] <jalcine> darn
[16:21] <jalomann> sha matches. also on DVD
[16:22] <jalomann> What was the preferable DVD creation method?
[16:25] <genii> jalomann: The safest burn is at 2X with error checking
[16:27] <OerHeks> even on gnome, i'd use K3b :-)
[16:40] <jalomann> Did somebody boot with 14.04.2 DVD?
[16:43] <hyper_ch> yes
[16:54] <jalomann> 3rd DVD burning
[16:57] <jalomann> Burned 2nd with wodim. Only 2 errors left.
[17:41] <ik_> hi
[17:46] <sudoBacon> Whenever I reboot Kubuntu on plasma 5 vivid I i have two monitors and set them both to folder layouts change folders locations on both and on restart one stays a folder and one goes to desktop and power options dont work and keeps going to sleep even though i turned that off
[17:48]  * BluesKaj wonders if sentence structure is taught in schools anymore
[17:48]  * sudoBacon Not really
[17:49] <sudoBacon> BluesKaj: Its the internet why do I have to type properly?
[17:49] <BluesKaj> to get your ideas across in an organized fashion
[17:50] <BluesKaj> why doesn't internet deserve proper expression ?
[17:51] <sudoBacon> Because typing properly takes more time.
[17:52] <BluesKaj> not understanding what you type takes even more time
[17:53] <sudoBacon> Okay point proven now I'm typing even more properly than you.
[17:54] <BluesKaj> if you think so
[17:56] <sudoBacon> BluesKaj:
[17:56] <sudoBacon> I'm running Kubuntu Vivid 15.04 , running KDE plasma 5.2.2 and QT version 5.4.1. I found a couple bugs I think is their a fix?  I have dual monitors on running AMD with drivers fglrx-updates.  I change both monitors to folder layout in replace of Desktop layout views and change their locations.  Then on reboot my main monitor is back to a Desktop layout and the secondary monitoy is still a folder layout yet even the wallpaper
[17:56] <sudoBacon> changed
[17:56] <sudoBacon> [13:56] <sudoBacon> to what I had on primary folder layoud desktop view.  Also the power settings dont seem to work because I turned off dim screen and everything and it still dims the screen.
[17:57] <sudoBacon> It turned them into two copy and pasted my bad
[18:02] <BluesKaj> suggest you try upgrading to plsama 5,3 with this ppa , it fixes a lot of problems. I can't promise it will fix everything to do with dual monitors and folder layout/view, but it's more stable than 5,2   https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:03] <BluesKaj> err plasma :)
[18:05] <qdata> I run dual monitor set up here. Main is HD LCD 24 inch, the second one to the right is an old CRT type. SDDM inability to come up on anything other than the CRT as the main display is just so annoying. Did the people who packaged all this stuff up for general release to the world just never try it out first?
[18:06] <sudoBacon> Same here qdata
[18:06] <qdata> I went back to my old 14.10 KDE 4 setup; too many things wrong with the 15.04 - imho it was not ready to be tagged as a 'Release'
[18:06] <sudoBacon> except on the left
[19:06] <kolja> hi there.. my kde plasma 5 often crahses.. i solve right now deleting .cache .local and kde folde.. coould you tell me if there is a more selective way to get kde run again ? thnx
[21:11] <z4sk4> hi all
[21:11] <z4sk4> i ahve problems with some wifi tools
[21:11] <z4sk4> i dont know why some of then log out of my kde session
[21:11] <z4sk4> i try to put echo on the code but imposible see what its the line, i each case are diferent echos...
[21:12] <z4sk4> where i can see why log out the system???
[21:13] <z4sk4> i the syslog i dont see nothing relevant...
[21:18] <genii> z4sk4: You might get some more useful information if you tru to run the app inside of Konsole
[21:22] <z4sk4> genii: i run on console
[21:22] <z4sk4> and pum! log out in some step next to scan wifis, like airoscript
[21:22] <z4sk4> same issue
[21:23] <z4sk4> on 15.04 havent got this problem in 14.04 yes, but on 15.04 i must stop network-manager, maybe here the demon can make problems too, not sure
[21:23] <z4sk4> i will try and connect again 1 min
[21:47] <z4sk4> genii: http://pastebin.com/MecmFapW only i ahve the echo "2" >> 2.txt
[21:47] <z4sk4> and i can do the command of was alone on terminal with out issues, so strange
[22:48] <sysop2> hi, how can I get the bluetooth button on my bluetooth headset to run script when pressed?
[23:17] <OerHeks> Installing Kubuntu 15.04 .. what a beautifull & clear install procedure !