 @AdamOutler how do you feel about vdsl2 technology? I'm thinking of dropping Comcast 250/10 in favor of century link vdsl 100/60
 Well I guess the question goes to everyone
 It's generally more reliable.  You get exactly what you pay for instead of what's available.  I'd expect it to be faster all-around than Comcast at a faster speed.
 Less conversions, higher fidelity signal and dedicated channels means you get a much better connection. I'd be using anything else if my HOA wasn't forking over 6million dollars/year that I'd be wasting if I did.
 Cool. That's what I was thinking
 I was a bit effy on CenturyLink as a company but can't hurt to try
 Especially if they have a trial
 I can sign up month to month for that line and test it out before I drop Comcast.
 So I'd have both isps for a short time
 The 60 up sounds very tempting
 Before  you terminate, make sure to talk to comcast and let them know they will only keep you if they meet your pricing demands.
 It's actually not about pricing
 They will go substantially cheaper and there is a bot available that will negotiate your price.
 My Docsis 3.1 modem can't keep a signal locked
 It's always about price.  I'd buy a crappy service for $5 per month as a backup.
 I got best buy to give me a second sb8200 and it still happens
 I started a spreadsheet to keep track of the outages
 Comcast sees the modem go offline but can't find the issue.
 I think it's a line problem and arris support says it is too
 Did you talk to comcast?  They had me talk to tier1,2,3 customer service.  I exposed the fact that thier dudes were closing tickets without actually doing the work.
 Yea. I tried multiple times. They came out once.
 I tried a different jack and it grabs a downstream but no upstream
 I think the dmarc is having problems
 I would schedule them for Saturday when you are home.  They may take 2 weeks to get out there.
 Probably.
 And I'm just done dealing with it if vdsl will be more stable
 Everything outside your wall is their responsibility.
 I can live with 100mb over 250 down. I'm on a vpn most the time anyways
 Yup. They came out while I was home on a Saturday
 Showed him modem logs.
 He agreed it was dropping but signals looked good at the moment
 I'd schedule them to come out for saturday and they would come out and I'd make sure to waste as much of their time as possible showing them details about my experience and my thoughts on them closing tickets without working on it.
 "intermittant".
 Someone in your neighborhood has an old TV and it's their job to figure that out.
 He told me to keep track of times and then give them the report.
 Which I'll do, but at the same time, vdsl is sounding tempting for the advantagea dsl has over cable
 Except for the lower speed
 Do you know how vdsl latency compares to Docsis?
 no.
 I know its faster
 Your problem is that they are overloaded.
 I think it went south when I got a Docsis 3.1 modem
 And I did that to get away from the Intel puma chipset on the 6190
 going good for me.  They recently filled all my channels.
 I have 33 channels on the down. So only one channel for 3.1
 tell the rep that you need to reprovision your modem when you call.
 Usually you have 4.
 that's right.  You said you only had 1.
 Aaris claims upstream shouldnt be below 45db
 I am up to 5 TB this weekend (6 TB total this month)
 have you used my special zero server?
 @al
 @govatent go by Comcast rules.
 Not yet, been pulling down my whole NextCloud backup
 That's all that matters.
 Y U NO TAKE MY ZEROs?
 @KMyers are you on gig?
 @govatent, Yes and as Comcast is wanting to not honor the terms of our original agreement and try to tell me that I am at fault, I am being a bit of a dick right now
 https://twitter.com/KeithIMyers/status/1023247101160030208
 What's the upload speed on it?
 They say 35 mbps but I get around 45 normally
 I noticed aside from the gig plan, no other package offers more than above 10 mb up
 I know, which sucks
 Which the 60 mb up CenturyLink is offering is even more temping
 Assuming the signal works out
 I am in a fight right now with Comcast that may end up in arbitration as they lied to me. They told me that I would have no data cap on my account when I upgraded in April. It turns out that was a complete lie.
 I spoke to Comcast when I noticed the mistake, at first they did not want to do anything but their tone changed when they found out that I have a recording of the call. They even had me go to the local Comcast office to play it back to the manager there
 Their tone has changed in the last few days however, they are refusing to honor the deal, saying that I must have been confused and as they do not have a code for free unlimited data, it is now my problem
 BBB complaint.
 No, the BBB really has no power at all, Comcast seems to thrive on bad reviews and complaints. I am actually going to the FTC, FCC and a few consumer rights groups. I am also exploring arbitration
 I say give em hell
 I'm already on their 1tb datacap
 And if I make the jump to centurylink there is also a 1tb datacap
 What's funny is Comcast may not have a code for free unlimited data cap but sure as heck have a code for paid unlimited data
 @govatent, Actually that is true however as I keep pointing out, that is not exactly my problem
 @KMyers @Ivoriesablaze @AdamOutler
 Yes!!!
 XD
 Cortana is awesome!


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[12:00] <PlanarPlatypus> transparentdream, that is the right bit, there should be a section marked Driver


[08:13] <dpm> good morning
[09:40] <jokerdino> http://askubuntu.com/questions/105801/how-to-set-up-automatic-translation-importing-for-a-particular-branch-in-launchp
[09:40] <jokerdino> Anyone can answer that?
[11:17] <dpm> jokerdino, yep, onto it, thanks for the heads up!
[11:39] <TLE> dpm: hey
[11:40] <dpm> hey TLE :)
[11:40] <TLE> so it turn out that with a Android phone placed on a chair, on a desk, in a specific room on the first floor we have semi-reliable internet (though slow)
[11:41] <TLE> \o/
[11:42] <TLE> you gotta love love moderne technology, we are running local bzr exchanges via a local network running through the wifi hotspot functionality of the phone *G*
[11:44] <TLE> in any case, I trust you have seen mdke's email about the lang packs, for the natty lang packs the ball is now in your court
[11:45] <dpm> nice :)
[11:45] <dpm> yeah, I'll request the full export today
[11:48] <TLE> great, I also have also been looking at the reg exp'es for the server, but I need to do a little more reserarch, then I will send you and email with a python script that tests the regular expression I would like you to test
[11:49] <dpm> TLE, ok, cool. Btw, I didn't enable the admin interface on the site. Do you need it?
[11:50] <dpm> I mean the django admin interface
[11:50] <dpm> actually, I'll just enable it
[11:51] <TLE> I don't think I need it, I was thinking to always change the database (we only need to do that when adding a project anyway) in the coderepository, and then always make what is running on the server a copy of the latest archive version
[11:52] <dpm> TLE, I showcased the site to the other members of the Canonical Community team, and they thought it was great. When you've got some time, I'd like to talk about a couple of ideas, such as allowing people to upload images.
[11:52] <dpm> ack
[11:53] <TLE> uhh that sounds interesting
[11:55] <TLE> yeah we'll talk about that at some point
[11:56] <TLE> when I'm home
[11:57] <dpm> cool, have fun!
[11:59] <TLE> thanks, keep me updated aobut the natty lang packs


[04:01] <shtylman> anyone know how I put in translations/requests for the new words I added?
[08:44] <kim0> Hi there .. Is there any installer pre-seed statement that would clear away old disk layouts, especially old raid layouts .. such that they will not try to activate upon system's first boot ?
[08:53] <kim0> Morning cjwatson :D
[15:25] <cr3> Jul 26 14:24:50 in-target:   usb-creator: Depends: usb-creator-gtk but it is not installable
[15:26] <cr3> Ubuntu 9.10 "Karmic Koala" - Alpha amd64 (20090726)
[15:30] <davmor2> cr3: why isn't it installable?
[15:32] <cr3> davmor2: unmet dependencies
[15:46] <davmor2> cr3: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html
[15:46] <davmor2> you're right it's broken :)
[15:47] <cr3> davmor2: thanks, I keep forgetting to look at those reports
[15:49] <davmor2> cr3: :)  It happens I don't bother unless there is a problem :)
[15:50] <cr3> I wonder if it's machine generated so that I might have a hope of parsing it
[15:53] <davmor2> cr3: I think it is reported by the build server
[15:54] <davmor2> cjwatson: should be able to tell you tomorrow
[16:05] <shtylman> evand: how do I add translations? I have added new items (breadcrumbs) and the "Installation Process" label and I think all of those need translations...?
[16:26] <shtylman> evand: also, I have some more changes/fixes I just commited into my branch.. merge request or is telling you enough :) ?
[18:24] <evand> shtylman: debian/ubiquity.templates
[18:24] <shtylman> add it to the end?
[18:24] <evand> shtylman: it should be of the form ubiquity/text/name_of_the_widget
[18:25] <evand> indeed, or wherever looks the most logical
[18:25] <evand> and yes, telling me is enough
[18:25] <shtylman> :)
[18:25] <shtylman> alright... then don't merge yet ... I will do the template additions as well so you don't have to merge as much
[18:25] <evand> Sure, though you should be able to do the merge yourself.
[18:25] <evand> being in ~ubuntu-installer
[18:26] <shtylman> since when?
[18:28] <evand> oh, I thought we had already made you a member of the team.  You have my vote though
[18:29] <shtylman> :)
[18:32] <evand> shtylman: I've conferred with Colin and he agrees.  I've added you to the team.
[18:32] <shtylman> cool ... now I need to be extra careful with what I do :)
[18:32] <evand> Do keep invasive, major changes in separate branches and speak with the rest of the team before merging them.  But feel free to directly commit regular fixes.
[18:33] <evand> exactly :)
[18:33] <shtylman> gotcha...no prob at all
[18:35] <evand> fantastic.  Again, great work this cycle and last.  Glad to have you aboard.
[18:36] <shtylman> thanks... its great working with yall; yall have been very helpful to all my questions
[18:38] <evand> glad to hear it.  Do let me know if you need help with anything else.
[18:39] <shtylman> always
[18:39] <Riddell> yay for shtylman
[18:40] <shtylman> :)


 I hope you place also lxqt 1.2 to the Lubuntu dev backports!!!
 Yep, that's the plan
 The first goal is probably going to be to get Qt 5.15.7 out of the way, then straight to LXQt assuming the archive isn't looking messy :P
 So that's mean that will be avaliabe on 22.04 LTS too with the backports enabled
 Eventually yes
 Perfect!!
[15:09]  * arraybolt3[m] yawn
[15:10] <arraybolt3[m]> I see stuff about a Qt update going around, so I'll add that to the list for us.
[15:14] <arraybolt3[m]> New iteration of the list for those interested: https://notes.lubuntu.me/huOk59_iRSaAMZDl_my8bw?both
 Which IDE you use mostly in Lubunru?
[15:19] <arraybolt3[m]> @Thanos: It's really a matter of preference. Lubuntu can (at least theoretically) use all of the same software that Ubuntu can, so pretty much just pick an IDE that works with Ubuntu, install it, and roll with it. Personally I've just been using Featherpad in Lubuntu, but I do most of my development work on non-Lubuntu machines, where I use Visual Studio Code, Kate, and (eventually) Intellij.
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> That's one of the nice things about Ubuntu flavors - they can all run the same software (in theory), so just pick a flavor that acts as a good base for you and then turn it into pretty much whatever you want. (I should note, I've seen some incompatibilities between software that was designed for different desktop environments than the one I was using, like trying to use Yakuake in Lubuntu looked somewhat broken. But those events
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> are the exception rather than the rule.)
[15:21] <arraybolt3[m]> (In my experience at least.)
[15:22] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh I also use Nano a bunch.
 Is featherpad support programming languages? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> @Thanos: It's really a matter of preference. Lubuntu can (at least theoretically) use all of the same software that Ubuntu can, so pretty much just pick an IDE that works with Ubuntu, install it, and roll with it. Personally I've just been using Featherpad in Lubuntu, but I do most of my development work on non-Lubuntu machines, where I use Visual Stu
[19:14] <arraybolt3[m]> @Thanos: Yes, Featherpad supports several programming languages. It's just a text editor, not a full-on IDE though.
 What we call full IDE? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3[m]> @Thanos: Yes, Featherpad supports several programming languages. It's just a text editor, not a full-on IDE though.)
[21:23] <arraybolt3[m]> @Thanos: The difference between an IDE and a text editor is that an IDE generally works as a one-stop-shop for the entire development process (write - compile - test - debug), while a text editor only helps with the first step (writing the software). You then use other tools to do the rest of the steps. Which method of programming you use depends on your preference.
 Understood


[14:57] <ricotz> mlankhorst, hi, could you push your mesa upload to debian git?
[14:58] <mlankhorst> oh right..
[15:47] <mlankhorst> I'll fix that up when I get home
[18:04] <mlankhorst> hm it was pushed.


[06:31] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[14:17] <marek71> hello world
[14:17] <mhall119> hellp marek71
[14:17] <marek71> anybody here from LoCo Team Chile
[14:17] <marek71> ?
[14:18] <mhall119> marek71: you might try #ubuntu-cl
[14:18] <marek71> ok thank you
[14:19] <mhall119> np
[14:20] <bkerensa> Good Morning
[15:52] <paultag> good morning, folks
[21:23] <BigWhale> Greetings.


[13:10] <dholbach> ugh.... anybody here for the MOTU Q&A session today?
[13:10] <dholbach> sorry, I'm late
[13:12]  * Iulian waves
[13:12] <Iulian> Hiya dholbach
[13:13] <Iulian> It seems that I'm the only one here :)
[13:13] <dholbach> hey Iulian
[13:13] <dholbach> :-)
[13:13] <dholbach> I was completely drowned and didn't notice the time :)
[13:13] <dholbach> so how are you doing? any questions you brought with yout today? :)
[13:14] <Iulian> Yeah, me too, my mom was playing and I forgot about the session.
[13:14] <Iulian> I'm doing fine, thank you :)
[13:14] <Iulian> Well, not really.
[13:14] <dholbach> hehe :)
[13:14] <dholbach> you've been working on quite some patches in the last time, didn't you?
[13:15] <Iulian> Yes, that's right.
[13:15] <Iulian> 10 packages to be exactly.
[13:15] <dholbach> nice
[13:15] <dholbach> good work
[13:16] <Iulian> Heh, thanks ;)
[13:16] <Iulian> I think that's all for Hardy.
[13:16]  * Iulian is waiting for intrepid.
[13:17] <dholbach> it's fine to submit them package for intrepid already ;)
[13:18] <dholbach> brb
[13:18] <Iulian> Now I'm thinking to upgrade nxtvepg from 2.7.6 to 2.8
[13:18] <Iulian> Okay
[13:26] <dholbach> re
[13:26] <Iulian> Hey
[13:26] <dholbach> :-)
[13:27] <Iulian> Well, like I said I'm thinking to upgrade nxtvepg to 2.8
[13:27] <dholbach> cool
[13:27] <Iulian> It shouldn't be so hard though
[13:27] <dholbach> did you try to play with it a bit already?
[13:28] <Iulian> Nop, I was a bit confused about it. Should I wait to be uploaded to Debian first?
[13:28] <Iulian> Or I can make it now and submit to Debian as well.
[13:28] <dholbach> yeah both is fine
[13:29] <Iulian> I have enough time to start play with it.
[13:29] <dholbach> :)
[13:29] <Iulian> This will go in Intrepid right?
[13:29] <dholbach> I don't see why not :)
[13:30] <Iulian> I mean, it can't be uploaded to Hardy
[13:30] <dholbach> you'd first have to fix it
[13:31] <dholbach> you'd first have to upgrade it to see if it works, then ask for a freeze exception
[13:31] <dholbach> does that make sense?
[13:32] <Iulian> Ohh, ok, I will take a look at the upstream's changelog to see if there are some real changes.
[13:32] <Iulian> Yea
[13:32] <Iulian> If not, I should wait for Intrepid.
[13:33] <dholbach> that sounds good
[13:33] <Iulian> Is that correct? :)
[13:33] <Iulian> Okay
[13:33] <dholbach> if it's a bugfix only release we can try to get it still in
[13:33] <dholbach> if not we can still backport it
[13:33] <Iulian> Aww, yes, you're right.
[13:34] <Iulian> Forgot about the backport ;)
[13:34] <dholbach> so how do you like your MOTU journey up until now?
[13:34] <Iulian> I think it's really great.
[13:36] <dholbach> awesome :)
[13:36] <dholbach> anything you'd like to be different?
[13:37] <Iulian> To be honest it's really excellent how it is now.
[13:38] <Iulian> And shouldn't be any changes. :)
[13:40] <Iulian> Anyway, it would be great if we can have a class about 'How to sync/merge'
[13:41] <dholbach> yes
[13:41] <dholbach> we should definitely have it early in the release cycle
[13:41] <Iulian> And what's the difference between a sync and merge.
[13:41] <dholbach> in a sync we copy over the source package from debian
[13:41] <Iulian> That's great!
[13:41] <dholbach> we completely overwrite our changes
[13:41] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[13:42] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging describes the process where we merge the changes ranging from manually to semi-automatically :)
[13:42] <Iulian> Cool
[13:44] <dholbach> yeah :)
[13:45] <Iulian> Heh, great, thanks!
[13:45] <dholbach> anytime


[01:45] <davef> daftykins: only spoken to her in passing. music varies, but it's just the resonance from the bass that manages to get through.
[07:38] <zxmpi> surely you know the classic *UNTZ* *UNTZ* *UNTZ* :-P


[08:07] <xan_IT> hi
[08:07] <xan_IT> i have this problem http://askubuntu.com/questions/695761/plymouthd-crashes-on-startup-intel-hd-3000-15-10 in all of my 3 computer
[08:08] <xan_IT> all has ubuntu 16.04 gnome.
[08:08] <xan_IT> and i solved as suggested
[08:08] <xan_IT> why there is that problem?
[08:20] <mgedmin> very good question
[08:20] <mgedmin> did anyone file a bug?
[08:28] <Na3iL> xan_IT, you want to disable the rapport bug dialog?
[08:29] <xan_IT> Na3iL no, i want to resolve bug for everyone :D
[08:29] <xan_IT> Na3iL i have that problem in 3 computer
[08:29] <xan_IT> and i suppose that it's spread
[08:30] <Na3iL> that's great! :D Try to declare a bug in Launchpad
[08:38] <xan_IT> Na3iL it's strange that nobody open that bug, seams diffused
[08:39] <Na3iL> xan_IT, sometimes the bug dialog appears but the fact that there's no bug
[08:39] <mgedmin> filing bugs is hard work
[08:39] <mgedmin> (fixing them is even harder)
[08:40]  * Na3iL gives +42 to mgedmin
[12:03] <tmus> Hi guys... Is it possible to "hide" unmanaged devices from Gnome's NetworkManager applet?
[19:32] <jbicha> ricotz: I don't know why this seems to work, what do you think? https://paste.debian.net/791355/
[19:33] <jbicha> https://paste.debian.net/791356/
[19:57] <ricotz> jbicha, your python test looks wrong
[19:58] <ricotz> you are not querying the instance like "bool(AccountsService.UserManager.get_default().props.has_multiple_users)"
[19:58] <jbicha> ricotz: yeah, that's what halfline said in #gnome-shell
[19:58] <jbicha> I'm looking suspiciously at accountsservice's 0005-gdm_config_file_path_ubuntu.patch


[20:13] <Nafai> Hi guys
[20:13] <Nafai> Question.  What's the desired behavior when a user, when on Karmic removed the indicator applet, and then upgrades to Lucid?
[20:14] <Nafai> Not have the indicator applet?  Or re-add it?
[20:14] <Nafai> It currently isn't being re-added
[20:27] <hyperair> i wouldn't like the indicator applet re-added.
[20:27] <hyperair> at least, not if i have removed it.
[20:28] <Nafai> in this case (from a bug report), I believe the user removed it
[20:33] <qense> Nafai: it is desired behaviour that it is added. I recall a changelog entry mentioning it.
[20:36] <seb128> the indicator is added on upgrade to lucid
[20:36] <seb128> not sure what the discussion is about there
[20:36] <seb128> but lot of users removed the indicator because it had only the messaging icon they don't use
[20:36] <seb128> but it's used for other things in lucid
[20:37] <seb128> which would confuse users who would get those not working after upgrade
[20:37] <qense> what he said ^^
[20:41] <kenvandine> without the indicator-applet, users wouldn't have volume control, etc
[20:41] <kenvandine> things they still had in karmic


[13:35] <cyberanger> wrst: I even prefer reading the output, debugging info is nice
[22:13] <Unit193> 'Esc' brings you that.