[01:45] <daftykins> oh, so that's popey's default quit message ;)
[01:45] <daftykins> TJ-: you should be in bed, sir! (with my respect :) )
[01:48] <TJ-> LOL is that an offer?
[01:48] <TJ-> I'm about to start an overnight apple pipe making pipe-line... aiming for another 100 or so pies
[01:48] <daftykins> :D
[01:49] <TJ-> s/apple pipe/apple pie/
[01:49] <daftykins> i just rode back from a friends house, who usually works on the larger island of Jersey, but is back over for the weekend for his birthday
[01:49] <TJ-> That issue of Ownasarus is weird; only the single PC is refused WPA connection to the AP, all other are fine
[01:50] <daftykins> MAC address restriction? i doubt anybody does that these days
[01:50]  * TJ- recalls his only Jersey vacation :)
[01:50] <daftykins> :D
[01:51] <daftykins> pff you should've come to Guernsey ;)
[01:51] <daftykins> that island is just little England
[01:51] <TJ-> That's the only thing that makes sense but its disabled according to the GUI. There was an IP address reservation for the MAC though, so I'm suspecting there's something screwy in the stock Netgear firmware
[01:51] <TJ-> I was only 9 at the time!
[01:51] <daftykins> XD
[01:51] <daftykins> sounds like a dualboot user?
[01:51] <TJ-> I think I spent most of my time climbing the gun emplacements :)
[01:52] <TJ-> He said he's at his parents house, and all other devices connect OK. That says to be its definitely an auth issue. The PC can connect to a 2nd AP in the place, too
[01:53] <TJ-> The AP is actively refuses to associate
[01:53] <daftykins> weird!
[01:53] <daftykins> by the way don't forget the clock change ;)
[01:54] <wileee> apple pie and guns, we are little england
[01:54] <daftykins> i just did a double take on my clock, glancing back and forth between my laptop time
[01:54] <daftykins> wileee: :D that's how they roll
[01:54] <wileee> ;)
[01:54] <TJ-> oh yeah, back to GMT isn't it. No wonder I feel tired
[01:54] <daftykins> or we, rather - in the Channel Islands
[01:55] <TJ-> wileee: no guns, just the bunkers the Germans left behind
[01:55] <daftykins> apple pies, German occupation fortifications... yep
[01:55] <TJ-> and the overarching smell of pee!
[01:55] <daftykins> XD
[01:55] <daftykins> is that what you remember of the gun emplacements? :)
[01:55] <daftykins> i met a young lady from Albania tonight who enjoyed speaking of cycling o0
[01:55] <wileee> TJ-, Yeah I saw that, I used to chase around a state mental hospital that had tunnels as a kid "not a resident", among other cool places
[01:56] <wileee> as of yet anyway
[01:56] <TJ-> Really? You remind me of a 'Hamish & Dougal' sketch with Miss Monica Deisel
[01:57] <daftykins> wileee: that sounds really cool
[01:58] <TJ-> something keeps activating the CCTV but cannot figure out what it is.
[02:00] <Ben64> idk why flash hasn't been killed off forever
[02:00] <daftykins> i blame Google for making pepperflash
[02:00] <wileee> daftykins, Cool looks somewhat accessible.
[02:01] <Ben64> btw, thanks for the java TJ-, looks good, but crashes on large numbers :(
[02:01] <TJ-> Ben64: segfault?
[02:01] <daftykins> wileee: yeah i think i just missed the open season, normally it's open in summer :D
[02:01] <Ben64> doesn't say segfault
[02:03] <Ben64> http://pastebin.com/mkxLC0AB
[02:08] <TJ-> interesting, let me try it... it's probably the whole Java signed thing again, since ff x 8 is -1
[02:09] <Ben64> yeah, and the mask seems a bit off too, or maybe some other problem relating to that
[02:10] <TJ-> yeah, parseLong()
[02:10] <TJ-> hmmm, really? I tested it with the original value you demoed initially and it flips it correctly in both directions
[02:10] <TJ-> make that value 0x7f.... and it works, so yes, signed issue
[02:11] <TJ-> shouldn't be a problem though because those initial bitmappings you showed indicated the highest byte is no used in the NFC data - one octet was zeroed
[02:11] <Ben64> 0xffffffffffffffff should be<PHONE_NUMBER>10655, put in<PHONE_NUMBER>10655 and it returns ffff003f03ffffff
[02:11] <TJ-> unless that was just incidental
[02:12] <TJ-> Ben64: but no, because<PHONE_NUMBER>10655 can't be stored :) it'll truncate and flip it to a negative
[02:13] <Ben64> it should be able to be stored
[02:13] <TJ-> Ben64: this is why us REAL programmers that work with real machines get annoyed with the Java design decision not to support unsigned numbers
[02:13] <Ben64> its 2^48-1
[02:13] <Ben64> unless i'm doing something wrong
[02:13] <TJ-><PHONE_NUMBER>10655 == 0xffffffffffffff ... largest positive integer in a long is 0x7ffffffffffffff
[02:15] <TJ-> the most-significant-bit is the sign flag
[02:15] <Ben64> 0xffffffffffffff =<PHONE_NUMBER>7927935
[02:16] <TJ-> how many f's are we talking ? :D
[02:16] <Ben64> yeah its confusing
[02:16] <TJ-> 16 f's is what I'm referring to
[02:16] <TJ-> as in a 64-bit with all bits set is -1 in java
[02:16] <Ben64> the highest number the rfid supports would be<PHONE_NUMBER>10655 = 0xf(12)
[02:17] <TJ-> Hmm, that should work then. Let me check !
[02:17] <Ben64> since it moves bits around and not all of them get used
[02:17] <Ben64> oh whoops thats my mistake
[02:17] <Ben64> ffff3f00c0ffffff is right, since it drops the bits that are unused
[02:18] <Ben64> although the latest version returned ffff003f03ffffff
[02:18] <TJ-> so i see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12937580/
[02:20] <Ben64> i think java 8 adds unsigned numbers
[02:23] <TJ-> No, but there was some static parsing added to Integer and Long
[02:25] <Ben64> how did minecraft get written in this?
[02:25] <Ben64> how do people make stuff with android :S
[02:26] <TJ-> I see why it fails, in the NFC representation the high bits are set even though the 'real' magnitude of the value represented is less, so parseLong() fails
[02:27] <TJ-> Hmmm, what tricks can I pull to keep that code clean? I know, write the damn thing in C!
[02:28] <Ben64> ha
[02:33] <TJ-> I've fixed that by splitting the NFC hex value into 2 and parsing it as 1 separate 32-bit values. But the value is wrong in the end! I've uploaded the source to the same location
[02:34] <daftykins> if you guys are ok with having your eardrums violated, my friend has shared an audio stream with me of an RTLSDR fan who is picking up a nearby bar's karaoke night wireless microphone: http://mixlr.com/atouk/
[02:35] <daftykins> oh my dear Tux it's bad XD
[02:35] <TJ-> Please don't torture me!
[02:36] <daftykins> you have to :)
[02:38] <Ben64> oh no
[02:38] <Ben64> pink floyd
[02:38] <Ben64> don't do it
[02:38] <TJ-> Ben64: OK, I had the new split shift and substring offsets completely wrong!  Where? D=
[02:56] <daftykins> lol nah my friend who linked me to it is from Kansas
[02:56] <Ben64> oh
[02:56] <daftykins> DosTuMai: http://mixlr.com/atouk/
[02:56] <DosTuMai> Boooo.
[02:56] <daftykins> he thinks it's from the east coast, somewhere
[02:56] <Ben64> how does he not know
[02:57] <daftykins> this is the trouble with software defined radio fans :(
[02:57] <daftykins> DosTuMai: we're currently hearing the raw talent of "Yami"
[02:57] <TJ-> Ben64: and again, sorted it, it builds the input value nibble by nibble
[02:58] <TJ-> Ben64: latest is on my server now
[02:59] <Ben64> oh wow i didn't even recognize this song at first
[02:59] <daftykins> oh my god Elton John
[02:59] <DosTuMai> FSM's Noodley Appendage...
[02:59]  * daftykins sways
[03:00] <DosTuMai> I need to stop this before my head implodes...
[03:00] <daftykins> "haunting the horny-back toad" - i'm not sure that's the real line?!
[03:00] <Ben64> Hunting the horny back toad
[03:02] <daftykins> no thanks Rick
[03:02] <daftykins> ok Tony, give us some gold
[03:03] <daftykins> oh "Toni" :D
[03:03] <DosTuMai> I'm cackling like she just did...
[03:05] <daftykins> she just devolved to the na-na-na's
[03:05] <daftykins> she's not drunk!?
[03:05] <Ben64> maybe she should be
[03:05] <daftykins> i'd buy her a round just to sit down :)
[03:05] <DosTuMai> Britney, eh?
[03:05] <daftykins> Britney, omw
[03:06] <Ben64> i went to a karaoke bar thing once
[03:06] <daftykins> never again? :)
[03:06] <Ben64> dude went up and chose hank williams jr
[03:06] <Ben64> i was like "oh no"
[03:06] <Ben64> then he killed it, it was so amazing
[03:06] <daftykins> is that country?
[03:06] <DosTuMai> I've been kicked out of karaoke bars for obvious trolling.
[03:06] <Ben64> yeah, like old school
[03:06] <Ben64> really twangy and stuff
[03:07] <Ben64> wait no he did hank williams
[03:07] <Ben64> not jr
[03:07] <TJ-> I remember seeing Hank at the theatre
[03:07] <daftykins> DosTuMai: how does one troll an already offensive event?
[03:07] <DosTuMai> By singing Kate Bush in the worst possible way.
[03:08] <daftykins> zomg it died
[03:08] <daftykins> ok we're back
[03:08] <TJ-> Can't get any worse than Kate Bush!
[03:08] <Ben64> don't like this song but she's not bad
[03:08] <Ben64> gj britney
[03:09] <daftykins> hmm to talk shop for a moment i can't think why this guy has mode setting disabled
[03:09] <DosTuMai> You can get worse than Kate Bush if it's me singing Wuthering Heights.
[03:09] <daftykins> pesky KMS is like an enigma
[03:09] <Ben64> which guy?
[03:09] <daftykins> "asdpoa"
[03:09] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12938668/ - line 173
[03:09] <daftykins> Britney i wouldn't want to meet you on a dark night
[03:09] <Ben64> people do weird stuff
[03:10] <TJ-> daftykins: but that would be expected as the VESA driver can't provide DRI
[03:11] <Ben64> fleetwood mac
[03:11] <TJ-> daftykins: the problem stems from the nvidia kernel driver not being loaded, I think.
[03:11] <daftykins> oh wait i'm too drunk, i only just noticed the nvidia module didn't load
[03:11] <Ben64> said so
[03:11] <daftykins> we've had words with me before about assistance whilst intoxicated! that's a bad daftykins!
[03:11] <Ben64> you should do karaoke and let us listen daftykins
[03:11] <TJ-> :D
[03:12] <Ben64> uh oh, bad start
[03:12] <daftykins> there's an mp3 out there of me singing The Chauffeur by Deftones
[03:12] <daftykins> i think i destroyed all evidence, though
[03:12] <Ben64> ... don't do a song if you only know the chorus
[03:12] <daftykins> XD
[03:13] <daftykins> i did get drunk with some friends in a local pub and try a Rage Against the Machine song
[03:13] <Ben64> which song
[03:13] <daftykins> we forgot just how fast 'Renegades of Funk' got :(
[03:13] <Ben64> ha
[03:13] <daftykins> our other friend said it was more 'Renegades of Pop'
[03:14] <DosTuMai> I couldn't listen to any more of that...
[03:14] <Ben64> wa wa wa wa wa
[03:16] <daftykins> DosTuMai: call yourself a Canuck!?
[03:16] <daftykins> MY DAWTAH
[03:16] <daftykins> sounds like a Jersey thang.
[03:16] <Ben64> boston?
[03:16] <daftykins> oh that's true
[03:16] <daftykins> i'm not hot on accents :(
[03:16] <daftykins> i'm still learning the UK
[03:17] <Ben64> maybe this is from kansas?
[03:17] <Ben64> they sound generic
[03:17] <DosTuMai> I'd say Kansas, too.
[03:18] <daftykins> just to let me down ~
[03:18] <Ben64> just need them to say the time or something
[03:21] <DosTuMai> What the...
[03:21] <Ben64> she just had a root canal
[03:21] <daftykins> XD
[03:21] <daftykins> police forces should demand karaoke as a sobriety test
[03:21] <Ben64> "no thanks" = sober ?
[03:22] <DosTuMai> No, because I'd troll on the mic sober.
[03:23] <daftykins> my something foooor a centrefold
[03:23] <daftykins> Ben64: yeah :D
[03:26]  * daftykins emails Ownasaurus the karaoke link
[03:26] <daftykins> :D
[03:27] <DosTuMai> xD
[03:28]  * daftykins sways to more Elton John
[03:28] <daftykins> despite the time change it's now already half 3
[03:28] <daftykins> DosTuMai: what's your excuse!?
[03:28] <DosTuMai> Insomnia.
[03:29] <daftykins> oh yeah
[03:30] <TJ-> Apple Pie
[03:30] <daftykins> DosTuMai: i was talking downhilling with a young lady from Albania of all places, tonight o0
[03:30] <DosTuMai> Awesome. =D There's some real nice mountains there.
[03:31] <daftykins> she was telling me she never had a bike because of the way life was over there when she was young o0
[03:31] <daftykins> now she's over on Jersey (bah!) and riding on the road
[03:31] <TJ-> mainly cart horses and wooden trailers
[03:31] <daftykins> kept asking me what kind of bike to buy, to ride road over there and also go to Wales for downhill
[03:31] <daftykins> i was like, mmmm none? :D
[03:31] <daftykins> TJ-: those infernal horseless carriages!
[03:32] <DosTuMai> No, don't road on a DH rig, and - unless you're suicidal - don't DH on a road bike...
[03:32] <daftykins> omg James Brown is coming...
[03:33] <daftykins> Ricky!?
[03:33] <DosTuMai> And Spice Girls...
[03:33] <daftykins> _NO_
[03:33] <daftykins> that's where i draw the line
[03:37] <DosTuMai> So unprofessional...
[03:37] <daftykins> they just said sunday night!?
[03:37] <daftykins> are... are we on a stream with the future?
[03:38] <DosTuMai> D=
[03:38] <TJ-> It's a bar.. they, or you, or both, are pished!
[03:38] <DosTuMai> Something to do with entangled particles?
[03:38] <daftykins> more than particles are entangled right now
[03:38] <DosTuMai> Tone, tempo, vocal abilities...
[03:38] <daftykins> ooh, meanwhile in real life a couple are having a domestic outside my front door
[03:39] <TJ-> Live stream!
[03:39] <DosTuMai> And I'm trying not to wake my gf...
[03:39] <daftykins> dafty, ruining your relationships, since 2015
[03:40] <DosTuMai> She'll just tell me to STFU and try to laugh quieter...
[03:40] <daftykins> that's the spirit
[03:40] <daftykins> halloween!?
[03:41] <daftykins> seriously this stream is from the future
[03:41] <TJ-> there have been other Sundays :)
[03:43]  * daftykins sings Boston - More Than a Feelin'
[03:43] <DosTuMai> xD
[03:43] <daftykins> i wonder if there's a good song that could be parodied with Ubuntu
[03:43] <daftykins> i'd do that for you guys
[03:44] <daftykins> but you have to have my back if the ops ban me again
[03:44] <DosTuMai> Same Britney? D=
[03:44] <daftykins> hasn't she done enough :(
[03:45] <DosTuMai> Obviously not!
[03:45] <daftykins> poor lass, born tone deaf
[03:45] <TJ-> U boon to be free ?
[03:46] <DosTuMai> B-b-b-bash to the kernel.
[03:46] <daftykins> you just reminded me of the guy that refused to take advice from me because i didn't know "how to get bash from the liveCD"
[03:47] <daftykins> which it transpired was this guy meaning how to run a terminal :D
[03:47] <TJ-> Yeah, I remember him!
[03:47] <daftykins> XD
[03:47] <TJ-> We get all sorts!
[03:48] <daftykins> "sorry daftykins you don't sound professional enough to me, you don't use the wrong terms for things like me!"
[03:48] <DosTuMai> xD
[03:48] <daftykins> alright i think that's my cue to head to bed, as much as Britney is entertaining me
[03:49] <DosTuMai> Yes, I'm going to stop listening because this is making what's left of my brain ache...
[03:49] <daftykins> maybe if we keep going we'll regress and try to install DOS
[03:49] <daftykins> could be a happier life... who knows?
[03:50]  * DosTuMai NP: Sometimes I see - Atomic cat
[03:51] <DosTuMai> Much better.
[03:51] <DosTuMai> Wish I didn't put 'dos' on my highlights...
[03:52] <daftykins> Sometimes I see Fukushima?
[03:52] <DosTuMai> Song title & artist...
[03:52] <daftykins> too soon.
[03:53] <daftykins> yeah i was just being... tipsykins
[03:53] <daftykins> i'm so glad this channel is logged in public 8D
[03:54] <DosTuMai> So no random hentai tentacle links? D=
[03:59] <daftykins> logging doesn't exclude that :P
[04:01] <DosTuMai> Awesome. Well, I'm going to try & sleep. Night all. o/
[04:03] <daftykins> good morrow ma'am \o
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:00] <wileee> ah another star trek with dueling good and bad kirk's, twice the overacting ;)
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> wileee: :p
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> sunday calmness :p
[09:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
[11:12] <lordievader> o/
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> hi lordievader and daftykins
[11:13] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Phone-Ex-Screen
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> ioria: good afternoon mate
[12:13] <ioria> lotuspsychje, Good Afternoon to all .....................
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> hi tieinv
[12:55] <tieinv> lotuspsychje, hello
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> bll have a great sunday guys
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> many steam questions, these last few days
[13:43] <TJ-> I'm steaming already!
[13:43] <cfhowlett> I steamed some buns ...
[13:44] <TJ-> I'm doing an apple pie marathon :)
[13:44] <TJ-> Trying to turn all the orchard apples into something tasty and frozen :)
[13:47] <MonkeyDust> oddly, i'm unable to run in 15.10, wmware player guest ... i want to try lxd
[13:48] <MonkeyDust> to run lxc*
[14:05] <TJ-> Wow! Now Ubuntu is to blame for having to walk 10 blocks?
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:32] <ioria> hi there
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> hey ioria :p
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> ioria: whats the time in italy?
[16:35] <ioria> lotuspsychje, so and so.... usually it's still warm...  but nowdays  isfreezing
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> ioria: and hows the weather :p ?
[16:35] <ioria> oh...
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[16:35] <ioria> thetime is 17:35 :þ
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> 17h35 here and also freezing
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:36] <ioria> yes ... legal/solar time
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> .be not so far away from you
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> my friend travel to rimini with the car in 14hours
[16:36] <ioria> wow....  rimini is  fun ....
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> ioria: my friend has familly there
[16:37] <ioria> Emilia-Romagna is oneofthe best  region in Italy
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> why do so many italians say !list in #ubuntu?
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> because many many italians like big warez channels :p
[16:38] <ioria> MonkeyDust, really idk ...  i heard  of an italian programmer wrote something related to it ...
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> they look at you MonkeyDust and think your a serving bot :p
[16:38] <TJ-> I don't know why we just don't have ubottu respond with a list of useful links
[16:38] <TJ-> Rather than the negative 'warez' reprimand
[16:39] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  i'm only a bot, please don't think i'm intelligent
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[16:39] <ioria> :P
[16:39]  * lotuspsychje feels so n00b now
[16:41]  * lotuspsychje throws a xenial xerus is MonkeyDust's neck
[16:44]  * MonkeyDust strips its skin and makes it a pair of gloves
[16:44]  * OerHeks is now known as OerHeks
[16:45] <TJ-> So it's now XXX :)
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you thinking of latex gloves?
[16:45] <TJ-> I think an "Ubuntu XXX" release would double user numbers
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[16:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I wasn't but now that you mention it...
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:47] <ioria> also KidUbuntu ...  dedicated  to  children
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> ioria  edubuntu is supported release, for kids
[16:48] <ioria> with  HUGE icons ....
[16:48] <ioria> oh yes
[16:48] <ioria> i installed once
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> grannybuntu would be something...
[16:48] <ioria> i  meant   something simplified
[16:49] <ioria> yep .... for my granpa..  icannot use a cell  phone
[16:49] <ioria> *he
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinner
[16:51] <ioria> bon  appetit
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> 请享用
[17:23] <daftykins> i can see motaka is going to be one of those high maintenance question askers
[17:24] <daftykins> demands explanations of every single command before running them *sigh*
[17:28] <OerHeks> Yes, and ignoring full /tmp whatever
[17:30] <daftykins> i thought it got cleared on every boot?
[17:30] <daftykins> how is it that some people end up with a full one or having a strangely small one?
[17:31] <daftykins> i seem to be using 500KB out of 37MB on mine, server install
[17:49] <EriC^^> anybody worked in computer stuff, Bashing-om you've worked and programmed and or been a sys admin right?
[17:51] <MonkeyDust> i also don't get why some people have the computer problems they have
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> ioria: grazie
[17:52] <ioria> Eric^^ what's up ?
[17:52] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Professionally, communications technical controller .
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> daftykins, EriC^^ Bashing-om OerHeks good evening :p
[17:53] <daftykins> heya, how's it going?
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> fine fine tnx
[17:53] <daftykins> EriC^^: i do support for a living?
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> i don't want to do computing anymore, professionally
[17:53] <Bashing-om> I looked when I re-joined the channel .. and I thought .. Hail hail, the gang is all here .
[17:54] <daftykins> MonkeyDust: i think people are their own worst enemies, especially the ones we see on here :)
[17:54] <EriC^^> i want to know how much the stuff learnt in uni is important
[17:54] <daftykins> Bashing-om: :D
[17:54] <daftykins> yeah full house today, is it the winter bringing us all in? :)
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im hardware guy, but worked after hours not proeffsional and did back support for mediamarket
[17:55] <EriC^^> would you say the stuff learnt in uni is mandatory for working in a professional position?
[17:55] <daftykins> EriC^^: well i can certainly say my networking degree was useless, i learnt some theory of protocols... had lab sessions that forced me to learn more Linux usage... that was about it
[17:55] <daftykins> nah i think you'd learn more on the job than in education
[17:55] <TJ-> Always
[17:55] <daftykins> but then i've always been self-taught so education for me was more getting that piece of paper than learning much
[17:55] <TJ-> IT is more about intuition based on long experience
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ICT titles are also very exagerated for jobs
[17:55] <daftykins> TJ-: +1
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> they ask a big list of capabilities
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> wileee: good evening
[17:56] <TJ-> Before I retired, when I was taking on new employees... graduate applications were marked down compared to slef-starters
[17:56] <EriC^^> would you think a company would hire someone without a degree in cs?
[17:56] <EriC^^> they all say degree in cs or equivalent at the bottom
[17:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: I certainly would
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: depends on your backgrouns really
[17:57] <daftykins> depends on your experience i guess, often they want you to have a degree for more than just the educational aspects
[17:57] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: I did 5+ years @ university to support my professional knowledge . In my case, not a good thing . best done in-house through company assetts . MHO ! .
[17:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: If someone can demonstrate they CAN do rather than just use lots of TLAs
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> many companys also hire ex-hackers with no degrees
[17:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: where Uni comes in, is if the person did Comp Sci so they have a glimmering of understanding of what goes on underneath everything
[17:58] <EriC^^> yeah
[17:58] <TJ-> I generally found with new graduates we had to retrain them for about 12 months
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: are you considering an ICT job?
[17:58] <EriC^^> that's what i mean about the first question
[17:59] <EriC^^> yeah lotuspsychje
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wanna share us what kind?
[17:59] <TJ-> I'd always want someone who wants to take things apart to find out how they work. At my companies I had a playroom with Lego and Mechano and so on... and would ask applicants to build anything they liked in 10 minutes
[17:59] <EriC^^> i'm getting pretty bored with no job
[17:59] <lotuspsychje> butbutbut then we wont see you on irc anymore lol
[18:00] <EriC^^> i like linux'y stuff, i'm not very keen on programming stuff, i'm finding alot of php/mysql/java jobs though
[18:00] <EriC^^> and some linux admin jobs
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: with your hardware/uefi knowlegde you could repair pc as technician right?
[18:01] <EriC^^> i guess yeah but there's no job like that here
[18:01] <EriC^^> lol :D 1-800-eric-support
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: or maybe maintain a php website?
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> webmaster
[18:01] <EriC^^> yeah there's a lot of jobs in php java sql stuff
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: other jobs come in mind for eric?
[18:02] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Get your foot in the door, see what opportunities open up, and more importantly, what opportunities you can make .
[18:03] <EriC^^> i got a job offer like 9 months ago from someone i met here, but i blew it away cause i thought i'm going to suck at it, it was a linux admin position
[18:04] <TJ-> I'm racking my brains. I know the best way is to get in front of someone to showcase what you can do, without it being an interview situation. I've taken on my best people just through a fluke of seeing them do something clever/amazing/insightful and wanted their skills
[18:05] <daftykins> :D
[18:05] <TJ-> EriC^^: the best thing I can suggest is set yourself up a professional Local network at home, and practice managing/monitoring/securing it. Even if it is just lots of virtual machines/containers. Practice with the things that most SMEs will have
[18:05] <EriC^^> he was someone i helped in #linux and became friends then one day he said their company needed another linux guy
[18:05] <EriC^^> and he gave me a test, i did well on the linux stuff and bad on the windows and networking stuff (pretty much bombed those) he said it's ok he could get me in
[18:05] <daftykins> i think Linux sysadmin could be fun, but i feel i don't know enough to do it
[18:05] <DosTuMai> I'd love to go for an interview at your place, TJ-. I'd probably make a mechano trebuchet. xD
[18:06] <EriC^^> but i thought i'm going to go there and no uni background so i'd suck
[18:06] <daftykins> no idea on resources to learn more, either
[18:06] <EriC^^> daftykins: yeah me too i tried the linux inode tutorials
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: alot of sql database jobs out there also
[18:07] <DosTuMai> Loads in the UK, EriC^^.
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: not sure howto get jobs like hosting companys, but that could be an idea also 'work from home'
[18:07] <TJ-> DosTuMai: Someone did!
[18:08] <TJ-> DosTuMai: we spent 1/2 hour shooting gob-stoppers at the window
[18:08] <DosTuMai> Person after my own heart, there. xD
[18:08] <daftykins> DosTuMai: loads of what in the UK?
[18:09] <TJ-> EriC^^: the first thing you need to do, is lose the inferiority complex vs a graduate. Most graduates I see do the minimum work, crib of others, and barely know more than a switched-on 14 year old
[18:09] <DosTuMai> SQL DBA/Dev jobs.
[18:09] <lotuspsychje> the problem is, alot of jobs are windows based...and they pretty s*ck on security
[18:09] <TJ-> EriC^^: have you ever considered getting in the cybersecurity side of things?
[18:10] <daftykins> blech SQL :P
[18:10] <EriC^^> TJ-: i feel like i'm being an imposter or like reaching out to something that doesn't belong to me, if i go to a job
[18:10] <EriC^^> i dunno if you get what i mean, it's stupid but i feel like that
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: in my country .gov asking cybersecurity guys
[18:10] <ioria> Eric^^ you do what  you  love
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i have the same feeling, many of your skillz dont belong to what jobs really ask
[18:11] <TJ-> EriC^^: Right. And you need to lose that. You have talents way beyond what most graduates have, AND you have something more important too: life experience and patience
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its like you have own special talents
[18:11] <ioria> Eric^^ not what you're a genius to
[18:11] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: yeah i get what you mean, i also feel that too
[18:12] <TJ-> EriC^^: Are you in Lebanon?
[18:12] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:12] <ioria> marhaban  bika
[18:12] <TJ-> EriC^^: Hmmm, that sort of makes things more challenging. Are you able/willing to relocate?
[18:12] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Pardon me. But, the 1st thing in any job .. does it interest you ? The 'want to know' is the more important aspect in a job relationship .
[18:13] <EriC^^> TJ-: no, must be in a lebanon
[18:14] <wileee> EriC^^, You have family there right?
[18:14] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:14] <TJ-> EriC^^: OK, so local, or remote working
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.itgholding.com/careers?page=9
[18:15] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: yeah i love learning about grub and disk stuff and linux stuff and trouble shooting
[18:15] <wileee> EriC^^, Cool, some of the nicest people I have known and worked for were Lebanese, interesting cultural history, I would want to stay as well. ;)
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> bachelor degrees been asked everywhere these days...makes me sick
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> wanna work in the wall market= bachelor degree...
[18:17] <EriC^^> wileee: hehe ;)
[18:19] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Like TJ- advised. cyber security is where it is at now-a-days, CS touches every aspect of a operating system . IF one is familiar with cyber security, they know a system well !
[18:19] <TJ-> EriC^^: with cybersecurity there are lots of organisations running competitions for you to hone your skills
[18:19] <EriC^^> i really like the grub fixing stuff
[18:19] <daftykins> :)
[18:20] <daftykins> EriC^^: you've become quite the boot pro!
[18:20] <EriC^^> lol it's what i like the most
[18:20] <wileee> it does feel good when fixed, heh, people are really happy
[18:20] <ioria> Eric^^ you could write   a tutorial
[18:21] <EriC^^> just need a company that needs a grub -fixer
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: repair pc's as technician, uefi,win,linux
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: macs
[18:21] <EriC^^> nobody uses linux here lotuspsychje
[18:21] <ioria> i think  companies  use redundancy
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: pc shops needs repair technicians in your area?
[18:22] <EriC^^> i dunno about that though
[18:22] <EriC^^> i suck at hardware and networking a lot
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: send your Cv to some ict stores localy
[18:23] <ioria> Eric^^  the  Arab  Springs passed through social forums
[18:23] <daftykins> i'd always be happy to answer any questions you have if i can
[18:23] <EriC^^> and i'd be just formatting windows pc's and reinstalling windows
[18:23] <daftykins> best way for Windows machines a lot of the time :D
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah while you working, leave irc open and we all help
[18:23] <EriC^^> they probably will give like $20 / format
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> gonna do the same with ubuntu shop, you guys gave me alot of hints already
[18:24] <daftykins> :)
[18:24] <wileee> I think you're on the right track, reinstalls are what I've had to do for all my friends due to infections basically, user errors
[18:24] <DosTuMai> Best way for fixing windows is reformatting and installing Linux. >_>
[18:24] <wileee> all MS
[18:24] <daftykins> i've never really done a flat rate service, just charge an hourly rate but only count it when i'm actually actively doing something
[18:24] <daftykins> DosTuMai: bullshit
[18:24]  * TJ- has been debating launching a security and quality focused Debian-derived distro :D
[18:25] <daftykins> and that attitude really frustrates me :P
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: doesnt that exist already on distrowatch?
[18:26] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I've not seen anything that meets my standards so far - as in, developer who won't release code until there are ZERO warnings or errors in the log files, and actually write unit-tests, and run everything through test suites and continuous integration to avoid regressions!
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> ive seen many distro's comming by on softpedia also
[18:26] <TJ-> I've been keeping tabs on a handful of dev's that actually work professionally :p
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah i understand your standards are pretty high
[18:27] <wileee> TJ-, I think you would have a lot of support here if needed. ;)
[18:27] <TJ-> wileee: thanks :) You never know what the New Year might bring :)
[18:28] <TJ-> I'm trying to avoid becoming another Shuttleworth, that's the problem!
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> the opensource thinking is the future
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> we are born to follow a different way, beyound traditional thinking
[18:29] <wileee> TJ-, Never met the big S, but you've showed a very fair model of help that gets to the issue with the user understanding if possible, that is a challenge of patience at the least.
[18:30] <wileee> with a big tool set heh heh
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: sysadmin of a local school might be another idea
[18:35] <EriC^^> yeah im thinking to apply to whatever computer fixing jobs i can find
[18:35] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: lotuspsychje : ^^ Here in the US that is a great idea !
[18:35] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: another important thing is to have an organized CV
[18:35] <EriC^^> i dont even like programming that much to be honest, i was thinking more along the lines of what i should do whats in the paper and bullshit stuff
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: talk to someone with CV/recruitment knowlegde and let them help you setup your skillz
[18:36] <daftykins> EriC^^: i've always been the same, i do home + small biz fixing but not enough to keep me busy
[18:36] <daftykins> need moar work :D
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ive quit my job at mediamarket (after-sale-support) because my teammember were very unproffessional
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: broken hardware==back in the box to the store ready to be sold to new customers
[18:38] <EriC^^> that sucks
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so new customers got used pc's with data on it..
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> unbelievable methods
[18:39] <EriC^^> i used to work at a job i didn't like, i studied mechanical engineering in uni cause at the time i was into cars a lot, and working sucked i dont like it
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: even the electronic part of car job dont like?
[18:40] <wileee> I have been happiest as an owner operator overall self employed, you answer to yourself
[18:40] <lotuspsychje> wileee: explain that abit mate?
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> wileee: what do you dod practicaly
[18:41] <daftykins> yeah i enjoy self employment
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> did
[18:41] <EriC^^> it's not really car stuff lotuspsychje , i thought it was entering uni and i kept saying soon i'll learn all these cool stuff about cars but it never happened
[18:41] <wileee> lotuspsychje, I use to have a carpet upholstery and windows cleaning biz, about 100$ an hour, not 8 hrs a day is all.
[18:42] <EriC^^> i used to work in a company that made food processing stuff, i used to draw and design food processing automation machines like a robotic cutter or whatever
[18:42] <wileee> I dev epilepsy from an earlier head injury and lost my licensee to drive is all
[18:42] <wileee> license*
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: same happened to me, learned car body operator in school, now more interested >IT jobs
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> wileee: nice
[18:43] <wileee> I think there is excellent money in the service industry room for self employment is all
[18:44] <EriC^^> self imployment is awesome
[18:44] <EriC^^> one thing i really didn't like about my old job was that i had to take it up the ass
[18:44] <EriC^^> ( to be frank )
[18:45] <daftykins> there are always going to be people that need our skills, or even tasks you'd think too simple on computers for anyone to need
[18:45] <daftykins> or for my main client, he just doesn't have the time to deal with things
[18:45] <EriC^^> like call this company who messed up a laser cutting job, after we've had it for 6 months, and it's just a $20 screw up and demand a refund
[18:46] <EriC^^> wtf i'd commit suicide before doing that personally, and bosses are like i own you almost, it sucks
[18:46] <wileee> be nice to make money at music, I play multiple instruments know theory am a high level jazz player, nothing except edu is really possible and very little available
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah company ownerships over the sheeps is nightmare!!
[18:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: this should motivate us to find something different
[18:47] <EriC^^> but what lotuspsychje
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: take my shop example, the lost jobs from the past made me realize
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: we need to think out of the box
[18:48] <daftykins> i need to get some biz cards made up or something to just get my name out there more
[18:48] <EriC^^> yeah thats true i meant for me haha
[18:48] <daftykins> though when i used to get asked to cycle the whole length of the island to go look at a non-functioning printer that was like, hah no thanks :P
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> a lxc container in a vm, please tell me this is overkill
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: with your skillz, there's alot to think of
[18:49] <EriC^^> yeah daftykins self promotion goes a long way i hear at least
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: maybe lordievader knows alot of vm's
[18:49] <daftykins> *nod* my regular clients are all from word of mouth
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  it'w working, i simply have no use for it, but it's fun
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: start with a nice CV, tweaked with someone's knowlegde
[18:50] <lordievader> MonkeyDust: We do that...
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: and start spreading around your interested places
[18:51] <lordievader> MonkeyDust: Webserver vm where every website is its own lxc container.
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: even if they dont seek somebody, send your cv anyway
[18:51] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: good idea
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: taking control is very important
[18:51] <daftykins> does lxc just virtualise processes atop a single host kernel, so there's not a kernel per instance... or?
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> lordievader  yes, but for a websierver, my computer should be always-on, that's not the case here
[18:55] <TJ-> daftykins: yes
[18:55] <daftykins> neat :)
[18:55] <TJ-> daftykins: Linux Containers, makes use of the kernel's Control Groups and Namespaces
[18:56] <daftykins> i'm a digitalocean fanboy though, super cheap VPSs are amazing
[18:56] <TJ-> daftykins: I am using unprivileged containers to contain many things now, most interestingly, the web-browser
[18:56] <daftykins> ah har
[18:56] <TJ-> I've been with Linode since they started
[18:57] <daftykins> :D
[18:57] <TJ-> I used to have space in TeleHouse London but once I packed in that was too much overkill
[18:58] <wileee> TJ-, In a sense I can relate to your concerns as a leader on a OS, even when self employed I had on occasion asked for help, but paid them way beyond a normal wage to be sure it was fair.
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> nice   <-- talking to myself
[18:58] <TJ-> MonkeyDust: :)
[18:59] <TJ-> That's the first sign of Sanity
[18:59] <daftykins> must be a hassle to drive out there to replace things if say, a disk dies?
[18:59] <daftykins> if you still had it i mean
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> halfway to sanity
[19:00] <TJ-> daftykins: rarely happens and there are always several spares. I've always believed in deploying identical hot spares of all systems, which includes the laptops, so its quick and simple to swap to another
[19:00] <daftykins> :)
[19:00] <daftykins> how do you manage that on a laptop? models with space for a secondary internal, or just using a caddy and regularly imaging over?
[19:01] <TJ-> daftykins: I've always used some form of RAID with several spares. Even then, the only time we had a major incident was caused by a web-dev that tried to adminster a Windows server for a client, and messed up the registry
[19:01] <TJ-> I spent a tiring 40 hours living in the data-center doing forensics and recovery because he'd also not had the backups running
[19:01] <daftykins> heh
[19:01] <daftykins> oi what an idiot
[19:02] <daftykins> mmm i do love my RAID setups
[19:02] <TJ-> It took about 36 hours to do the forensics and figure out what had been done... and 2 minutes to fix it!
[19:02] <daftykins> speaking of which, i allowed my old 6 x 1TB to rebuild and now all it's doing is wasting my electricity bill, those disks add about 45W to my server :)
[19:02] <daftykins> gotta come up with something to do with it :/
[19:02] <TJ-> Ouch.
[19:03] <TJ-> I've trying to move everything here off-grid, looking at installing some big  solar panels, and a decent wind turbine since we are hit by the south-westerly wind hard year-round
[19:03] <daftykins> that'd be fun
[19:04] <daftykins> i only pay about £40/mo electric
[19:04] <TJ-> Yeah; never enough time to do everything
[19:04] <daftykins> the islands get their power from France these days, big cable link from Cherbourg
[19:04] <TJ-> Our problem is with interruptions to the power because the lines to the farm and the sub-stations often have issues
[19:04] <daftykins> used to have such regular power cuts when i was a kid
[19:04] <daftykins> ah yeah
[19:05] <TJ-> I'm slowly building out a 12V DC circuit around the house for lighting, monitors, and PCs. Using some big tractor batteries... just need to keep them charged
[19:07] <TJ-> In #ubuntu is lrs comes back point him to the T520 service manual link, and tell him Bluetooth module is mentioned on page 86, at  http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01365079830
[19:07] <ioria> diesel dynamo  ?
[19:07] <daftykins> is longevity not an issue with those?
[19:07] <MonkeyDust> brb
[19:07] <TJ-> I have to do some real-world stuff now
[19:07] <daftykins> TJ-: roger that
[19:07] <TJ-> daftykins: longevity of... batteries?
[19:08] <TJ-> s/T520/T530/
[19:08] <TJ-> batteries are 120Ah, several strung together rather like an old submarine :)
[19:09] <daftykins> :D
[19:09] <daftykins> funky
[19:17] <TJ-> Feeding time at the zoo... Huskies only howl for food!
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit
[19:18] <daftykins> hahaha, at full volume?
[19:25] <TJ-> It's about the only time they howl... that and when I'm tardy in taking them out around the fields for a run
[19:25] <TJ-> uhoh! here they come... mad race to get to the sofa first :D
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> huskies in a sofa?
[19:26] <daftykins> XD
[19:26] <daftykins> yeah TJ-'s shown a great pic before
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> wolves in the bathtub
[19:26] <lotuspsychje> scary
[19:26] <TJ-> They are right soppy things :)
[19:27] <TJ-> I came into the study this morning and found all 6 sofa cushions on the floor, looked like a whirlwind had hit
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> oO
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: do you let em sleep in your bed also :p
[19:28] <OerHeks> are you a sleepfighter?
[19:29] <TJ-> they have their own beds
[19:29] <TJ-> this sofa is for them, too
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> aahh
[19:29] <daftykins> i think TJ- would need a 12 foot wide bed to have them all in XD
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> i loved that liam neeson movie the grey
[19:32] <TJ-> This is them just now: https://iam.tj/photos/Sofa_Dogs.jpg
[19:32] <daftykins> :D
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> nice
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> beautiful animals
[19:33] <daftykins> note to self, when visiting TJ- take a folding chair
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: my gf asks whats that cloud on the wall is
[19:36] <TJ-> Oh... my white-board
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> what does that mean? to pin to-do's?
[19:37] <daftykins> writable surface with pens, modern blackboard :)
[19:37] <MonkeyDust> to do: get milk
[19:38] <TJ-> Look at the Whiteboard photo at https://iam.tj/photos/
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you can wipe the text afterwards on that cloud?
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: my gf also wants it she says :p
[19:39] <daftykins> :D
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> TJ-: leave his gf alone
[19:39] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Yes. instead of a flat rectangular board, you can buy paint-on stuff.
[19:39] <MonkeyDust> (joke)
[19:39] <TJ-> MonkeyDust: I'll make one for a 15% mark-up :D
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the idea
[19:41] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: see http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000PGBCOC?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so you made the cloud pattern, and painted that stuff inside?
[19:43] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: other way around, I painted the dry erase paint on first, then after a week or so when it was fully hardened painted around the edge
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: the whole wall?
[19:46] <TJ-> No, just the cloud shape. with it being white on white for the sloped ceiling it needed a contrasting border so I thought blue would look good
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> and it looks good too
[19:47] <OerHeks> secure cloud, no ssh login
[19:47] <TJ-> OerHeks: I only use the VPN :p
[19:48] <daftykins> now i've got mine i consider using it when in public, got openVPN on my android phone too :)
[19:49] <TJ-> I've always insisted on VPN for remote access; no public access to any remote admin services
[19:50] <lotuspsychje> i got https access to his cloud: https://iam.tj/photos/Study_Whiteboard.jpg
[19:50] <TJ-> LOL
[19:59] <TJ-> this 'lrs' is determined that Linux is at fault for not miraculously detecting the missing Bluetooth device
[19:59] <daftykins> indeed
[19:59] <daftykins> definitely a high maintenance helpee
[20:00] <OerHeks> some combochips need some work
[20:01] <TJ-> At least he actually took the laptop apart and proved there is a device there. I recall a similar incident a few years ago and the user kept insisting for days the PC had BT since it said so on the advertising... a week later admitted defeat, opened it up... no BT module - it was optional
[20:01] <TJ-> OerHeks: Yes, but they are almost always on the PCI bus and we can see the co-WiFi device
[20:01] <OerHeks> hah, had that too, switch on the model, but no bt
[20:01] <daftykins> TJ-: hehe that's always the scenario i have in mind when we get the bluetooth folk
[20:02] <TJ-> :D
[20:02] <TJ-> Amazing how long folks can have a PC before checking all the hardware is actually there
[20:04] <daftykins> TJ-: not sure if you ever bother with TV, i typically don't, but i found an amazing add-on for Kodi that lets you jump on live BBC iPlayer feeds with super high quality
[20:04] <daftykins> probably get shutdown at some point but for now ;)
[20:07] <TJ-> I generally don't, although I did set up the HTPC and projector for it a long time ago. Only really use that for watching discs once in a blue moon
[20:09]  * daftykins shakes his head at parapan
[20:09] <daftykins> TJ-: yeah same :)
[20:10] <daftykins> this guys attitude is terrible
[20:10] <daftykins> "no i refuse to run commands, just throw the magical switch to fix it for me please"
[20:15] <Bashing-om> ^^ My thoughts; You ask for our help, then follow our thought process - if you caould fix it yourself - you would not be here . Else, forget about it !
[20:16] <daftykins> indeed :D
[20:16] <daftykins> hey guys, Enya has a new album coming out that's named after one of the islands near me :)
[20:19] <TJ-> Did you see that!? lrs - specifically told him to include the quote marks as I typed them, and he still repeated it wrong!
[20:19] <daftykins> XD
[20:19] <TJ-> it shows how our brains remember patterns not exactly what we see
[20:20] <daftykins> yep
[20:20] <daftykins> i had to ignore english, guy kept PMing me even when i said not to.
[20:23] <TJ-> I have /umode +g set
[20:25] <TJ-> Have you noticed how you can almost tell the personality from a nickname?  You have buhdism, they have duh-ism :P
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[20:38] <TJ-> Dinner time. someone repeat my last LONG message to 'lrs' if he returns. Also check if he booted the system correctly with the setting active by doing "cat /proc/cmdline; dmesg | grep Windows" - we WANT to see ACPI _OSI(Windows 2012) as the active ACPI OS ID
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> alot of acpi firmware bugs on 15.04 lately
[20:39] <lotuspsychje> had tons of acpi errors in syslog users
[20:41] <daftykins> TJ-: *nod*
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> trusty solves alot of acpi headaches
[20:57] <lotuspsychje> nite nite all
[20:57] <daftykins> ta-ra sir o/
[22:32] <TJ-> Grrrr
[22:33] <daftykins> that guy is a tad bad :)
[22:34] <EriC^^> just tried an .iso in /boot didn't work
[22:34] <TJ-> he's a whirlwind... like me really :)
[22:34] <EriC^^> guess there's more to it
[22:35] <TJ-> EriC^^: strange, update-grub reported found iso
[22:35] <EriC^^> hmm tried a debian iso
[22:35] <EriC^^> and a tinycore first didnt work
[22:50] <TJ-> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12963315/
[22:51] <Ben64> what
[22:51] <Ben64> !enter is gone
[22:51] <Ben64> why
[22:52] <TJ-> yeah, I noticed that a while ago, annoying
[22:53] <Ben64> i miss !work too
[22:53] <wileee> drone does the 5 post ignore
[22:53] <TJ-> Weren't those removed because the IRC Council decided they were too impersonal
[22:53] <Ben64> yeah i think, but they were fun
[22:53] <TJ-> I agree
[22:54] <EriC^^> oh
[22:54] <EriC^^> thanks TJ-
[22:55]  * wileee dreams of an algorithm that covers this automatically, no personal spanking, just the bot
[22:55] <Ben64> i miss floodbots too
[22:56] <EriC^^> TJ-: installed grub-imageboot , copied an iso to /boot/images and it picks it up
[22:56] <EriC^^> it's so cool
[22:57] <TJ-> I think so too
[22:58] <TJ-> If I put all my ISO images there, sym-link that to the virtual machine ISO directory, I can use them for both bare metal boot tests, and the VMs
[22:58] <TJ-> lrs is suffering all for Bluetooth :)
[22:59] <wileee> heh I use grml here, a multiboot usb, with supergrub amongst others, I'm in no matter what if open-able
[23:01] <TJ-> I wish grub-core could do mountpoints!
[23:02] <TJ-> wileee: I do a lot of daily ISO testing, and custom ISOs I'm developing, so making it streamlined with grub-imageboot will save me a lot of 'faffing' about
[23:03] <wileee> TJ-, I will have to look at it more, I had not noticed it before, having usable tools, but goggled it immediately of course
[23:05] <EriC^^> TJ-: i wonder how it works, it's not like the grub iso booting guide where it makes it a loop and then uses the stuff as usual, it has linux16 /boot/memdisk iso, and then initrd /path/to/iso
[23:05] <wileee> I messed with custom iso's out of curiosity but really I'm short of the skills in the end
[23:11] <TJ-> EriC^^: see "man grub-mkstandalone"
[23:12] <EriC^^> ok thanks
[23:30] <wileee> mmmm nothing like blah blah to make me wince
[23:31] <wileee> we hardly communicate when we think we understand each other


[09:11] <schnuffle> hello, I'm setting up a java based upstart service which spawns a sub process on each job it gets. we need to capture the stdout from that process to a file. When I launch the service manually or wirh a init.d script there's no problem to get stdout. Using upstart the capture of stout fails. Has anybody a hint what could be the problem. CentOS6 uses upstart 0.65
[10:08] <schnuffle> Okay, problem solved, it was the difference of umask between the two, in upstart the process inherits 022 from root, which leads to the problem


[00:57] <Takyoji> Gah, I hate when people overcommercialize FOSS
[00:59] <Takyoji> I occasionally hear of puppet for sysadmin across numerous workstations, but the fact that it's written in Ruby, and therefore requires Ruby and it's further dependencies to be installed, turns me off. So I was thinking of making something with Python, and quite simplistic as well. So I went to get the source code of Puppet for the hell of it (for ideas) aaand: http://info.puppetlabs.com/download
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: No no - what I wanted to make was an inventory system, of which ticketing would be one component.
[01:03] <Takyoji> and any other components?
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: lol.  For what it's worth, this is the real page:  http://puppetlabs.com/misc/download-options/
[01:04] <Takyoji> and yes, I know
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Monitoring and configuration management would be other good things to integrate.
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> But the inventory itself is the part most lacking.
[01:05] <Takyoji> And to what depth of inventory or what organizational fashion?
[01:06] <Takyoji> Because we could easily draft a database model in MySQL Workbench or directly make a Django model.
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> It should understand logical systems, physical machines, individual machine components, application-level tasks, networks, addresses, contacts, maintainers, and customers, for starters.
[01:08] <Takyoji> 'logical systems' such as?
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> For instance if you had a cluster or cloud where multiple physical machines behaved as one.
[01:09] <Takyoji> also, there could be scripts made for it as well for detecting internal hardware and automatically adding it
[01:09] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> Or even having a machine with a web server and another with a database server working together.


[00:01] <wileee> personal intension's though are not how others see us though we all look from our own reality, seems similar to others. ;)
[00:02] <daftykins> :)
[00:06] <wileee> latest fmri info in the brain sciences shows a 10 sec brain decision before conscious of it, the decision is measurable. Weird stuff man
[00:10] <Bashing-om> wileee: A hear tell a genius uses 10% of the brain, makes one wonder what the purpose of that other 90 % is .
[00:11] <wileee> me to, I'm all I can and still wonder what I'm doing
[00:13] <wileee> I have epilepsy, my neurologist admitted they know maybe 1% really.
[00:14] <wileee> good meds though rarely a seizure here, so no empathy needed
[00:14] <Bashing-om> I too have my limitations, I just make do the best I can with what I have to work with . Learn and go on .
[00:15] <wileee> Yes, I remember now, hope things are going best as possible
[00:16] <Bashing-om> They are what they are, and glad they are .
[00:17] <wileee> ;)
[02:12]  * daftykins cringes
[02:34] <Bashing-om> Look'n like this might be a real good time to run away .
[02:36] <daftykins> indeed :D
[02:38] <wileee> the over abundance of info meaning nothing and not asked for was my first clue
[02:39] <Bashing-om> ^^ LoL .
[02:40] <daftykins> :D
[02:40] <daftykins> we're definitely getting swamped by the kinds of users that would normally be out in the sunshine
[03:11] <wileee> I'm watching public tv, an artist is showing their cast iron sculptures that has gas running through and are lit on fire, looks dangerous
[03:22] <daftykins> wileee: :D is it a wily werewolf?
[03:28] <wileee> imagine me wearing coveralls
[03:28] <wileee> don;t own any but ya know
[03:28] <daftykins> :)
[03:31] <wileee> wily-nily was the model I think I was wilee-nilee or something before
[03:31] <daftykins> yeah that rings a bell!
[03:31] <daftykins> ok i think i'm falling asleep at the keyboard, g'night for now everyone :)
[03:31] <wileee> closed that email account so could not retrieve
[03:32] <wileee> night
[03:32] <daftykins> \o
[03:33] <Bashing-om> Me too, closing down for this session. Yall have to hold it all together .
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:22] <daftykins> :o eric is ready to blow!
[18:22] <daftykins> hi all \o
[18:23] <explosive> lol
[18:23] <explosive> hi
[18:24] <explosive> people keep leaving without any notice
[18:25] <daftykins> where from?
[18:25] <explosive> i mean from #ubuntu
[18:26] <daftykins> ah
[18:28] <explosive> one day somebody is going to be like "my pc isn't working right" , you "type cat something | something" , him "ok, let me try restarting *leaves* "
[18:28] <TJ-> That happens ALL the time!
[18:28] <TJ-> hiya daftykins :)
[18:31] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[18:31] <ioria> Hi
[18:34] <daftykins> hi hi hi! :D
[18:34] <pauljw> :)
[18:34] <daftykins> explosive: yeah, i always feel sad for those ones, it's like the xkcd about forum posts on problems that never get an answer
[18:34] <daftykins> "WHAT DID YOU SEE USER!?"
[18:35] <TJ-> Ho li, hi lo, its off to play we go, with hovel and a snick, and a rhubarb stick hi lo hi lo hi lo hi lo
[18:36] <daftykins> you'll be pleased to know i'm typing from the little sony ultraportable today which has a full xubuntu install on!
[18:36] <daftykins> amusingly one of the rare chances where i get to apply my skills to my own stuff XD
[18:37] <TJ-> :D
[18:37] <TJ-> which is that? I've still got my treasured little SRX-51's
[18:38] <daftykins> not too too old, a TZ31WN
[18:39] <TJ-> I was going to find some time to but 15.10 on the SRXs
[18:39] <daftykins> lol grep'd cpuinfo on the wrong host
[18:39] <TJ-> that's always a fun operation; need to build a non-PAE kernel
[18:40] <daftykins> 1.2GHz core 2 U7600 :) so dual core and 2GB RAM
[18:40] <TJ-> oops! now you know why I have 6 monitors. When remoting I have 1 monitor per host so as not to mess up
[18:40] <daftykins> :)
[18:40] <daftykins> you'd think i could read the hostname
[18:41] <TJ-> its so easy to do though
[18:41] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:41] <TJ-> I see folks madly tabbing between ssh sessions on production hosts and I worry
[18:41] <daftykins> this thing even has a PATA SSD :)
[18:41] <TJ-> nothing wrong with PATA!
[18:42] <TJ-> PATA and SCSI introduced cabling  as an art form
[18:42] <daftykins> :)
[18:45] <daftykins> my my, this cat demands warmth
[18:49] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/u0skyiy6x644p6j/IMG_20151030_184742.jpg?dl=0
[18:50] <daftykins> :)
[18:53] <daftykins> TJ-: i used to have discussions about how if 'IDE' stood for integrated drive electronics, then when SATA drives came on the scene surely they were IDE too since they had them too! so i preferred PATA as a term, care to weigh in? :)
[18:54] <daftykins> at the time a hardware review site guy i knew said SATA drives weren't even vaguely IDE
[18:55] <TJ-> They're all IDE now
[18:55] <TJ-> IDE term came about when we switch from separate MFM controller boards with a ribbon cable to a totally dump hard disk, to a drive with the controller built in
[18:56] <TJ-> I still remember iniatiing low-level formats by calling the routine at c800:0000 in the controller BIOS ROM
[18:56] <TJ-> s/iniatiing/initiating/
[18:57] <TJ-> or was it c800:0010? something liek that
[18:57] <daftykins> :D
[18:57] <daftykins> i knew you'd be the person to ask :)
[18:57] <TJ-> http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/showthread.php?26382-Low-Level-Format-XT-Class-Hard-Drive
[18:57] <TJ-> c800:005!
[18:58] <daftykins> well that was half way between what you said :)
[18:58] <explosive> i've a usb 3.0 that keeps suddenly corrupting or something, it's pretty new and had arch installed
[18:58] <TJ-> it differed based on the manufacturer
[18:58] <explosive> after i run sync after a system update it gives an error about blocks or something, any advice? i tried to zero it dunno if that helps or what
[18:59] <TJ-> where did this Biosphere spring from?
[18:59] <daftykins> no idea, his advice looks quirky to me?
[18:59] <TJ-> a bit too 'rush in' for me at times, but we'll see
[18:59] <daftykins> explosive: hmm bad blocks on a flash drive huh? not good
[19:00] <daftykins> explosive: did it maybe have a swap partition put on it and that's killed it?
[19:00] <TJ-> my dinner time thankfully
[19:01] <explosive> he left
[19:01] <explosive> he wasn't making sense, he doesn't get grub, he's asking him to update-grub from a live session no chroot
[19:02] <explosive> then he wants him to edit the live session's grub os-prober set to false
[19:03] <TJ-> who do we know from Ottawa, Canada then?
[19:03] <TJ-> explosive: too right, you beat me to jumping in
[19:03] <daftykins> explosive: i'm certain that from last night it's down to the wrong boot entry in the EFI being selected, the user isn't very good with basically anything though
[19:04] <daftykins> it's a windows 8 or 10 dualboot
[19:04] <daftykins> hell, you were probably there too :D
[19:04] <TJ-> it sounds like the UEFI setup has 'quickboot' enabled, which boots the default boot entry immediately
[19:04] <TJ-> this is NOT the same as Windows FastBoot (Hibernation)
[19:04] <daftykins> ah he did claim he couldn't find that one, last night
[19:04] <explosive> daftykins: yeah it had a swap
[19:04] <explosive> it's a tiny 16gb usb 3.0
[19:05] <TJ-> the other option is, it is one of those setups which needs to set the grub loader to be 'trusted'!
[19:06] <TJ-> even with SB disabled, that option is needed. So you have to enable SB, then go into Setup, find the 'Trust...' menu, use its file-browser to navigate to the /EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi, shimx64.efi and mark them both trusted. Can disable SB after that
[19:06] <explosive> my money's on hardwired bios
[19:06] <explosive> efi entry isn't there so there's a slight chance installer messed up
[19:07] <explosive> so i'm taking it easy before switching the files, but i bet on hardwired bios
[19:07] <daftykins> i never did hear the brand of that laptop, is it possible it's like that one TJ- had a bit ago where the entry was somehow buried down in the list?
[19:07] <daftykins> nm will leave you to it, boot masters :D
[19:07]  * daftykins bows
[19:10] <pauljw> my brain hurts
[19:10] <OerHeks> itch in my wallet
[19:10] <OerHeks> you'll get over it, pauljw
[19:10] <pauljw> ya think?
[19:11] <pauljw> :)
[19:11] <OerHeks> If i try, it might going to hurt too
[19:11] <OerHeks> What were you reading, #ubuntu support?
[19:11] <pauljw> yep
[19:13] <daftykins> hehe
[19:13] <daftykins> pain is normal there ;)
[19:14] <OerHeks> he is too soon with 'wifi not working' to my taste.
[19:15]  * OerHeks wonders if mataka2 = KSFT ..
[19:15] <daftykins> the fact he's already done two laptops leads me to believe we're being used as proxy support for him doing paid IT work :P
[19:15] <daftykins> haha
[19:15] <daftykins> nah mataka had a desktop that wouldn't even boot the installer :)
[19:22] <daftykins> still found that one weird
[19:51] <daftykins> wileee: heya o/
[19:51] <daftykins> hmm i should get back on that simple edx.org Linux course i was doing before i got hospitalised
[19:51] <daftykins> even though it had a tonne of basic stuff, it still taught me some things i didn't know :)
[19:51] <daftykins> and it's free!
[19:54] <wileee> howdee
[19:55] <wileee> free edu is the best
[19:59] <daftykins> i remember when Windows XP media refused to boot if it noticed a Linux install present, that was very irritating
[19:59] <daftykins> evil Microsoft :P
[20:04] <wileee> that uefi w10 adder is gonna have issue, the linux is in the first partitions,
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah, installing backwards
[20:05] <wileee> I didn't look for any unallocated with there sizes, but I doubt there is any there
[20:05] <daftykins> parted is a real pain and doesn't show unallocated :(
[20:06] <daftykins> it's definitely not got any free space though
[20:06] <daftykins> and 128GB is way too small to dualboot
[20:06] <daftykins> makes me laugh that guy having an SSD called 'INTENSO' though, reminds me of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq-HglQqtwQ
[20:10] <wileee> heh, sounds cool
[20:22] <daftykins> hmm just had an adventure with MTP here on xubuntu with my android phone
[20:22] <daftykins> certainly not working out of the box with the default file manager, but i have nautilus installed which showed my phone up fine :)
[20:24] <wileee> the android thing moves around for sure as far as reading it, depends on the release or releases it seems.
[20:26] <wileee> never heard a file system blocking, bad thunar
[20:30] <daftykins> *nod*
[20:30] <daftykins> devices too new to be picked up and all that too
[20:33] <wileee> I have a nexus 7 and the latest android, still no usb etho, that is really irritating, I have to have wifi on, not a fan of wifi
[20:34] <wileee> unless needed
[20:34] <wileee> there was etho support early on
[20:36] <daftykins> android 5 or 6 on that one?
[20:37] <wileee> 5.0, updating now, did not of the 6
[20:37] <wileee> know*
[20:38] <daftykins> i'm not sure every model got it, depends which N7 you have :D i think i heard they properly broke MTP on it though unless you toggle the setting every time or once
[20:42] <wileee> I have the first model, there have been issues with touch as well I think, ran it a few times early on and several linux ubuntu base with lubuntu added trying to tweak it around to be usable, a bit slow is all and a touch screen, heh.
[20:44] <wileee> android is okay, it really has had a best use for irc at the coffee shop, and some web
[20:44] <daftykins> :D
[20:51] <wileee> mmm marshmallow, downloading now
[20:51] <daftykins> :D
[21:16] <daftykins> hmm, tempted to pop to the pub
[21:16] <daftykins> though right now i'm dist-upgrading my older HTPC o0
[21:29] <wileee> ah, mr gentoo filled the trash and can't empty it
[21:30] <daftykins> :D
[21:31] <daftykins> "type rabbit, stupid!" </the film "Hackers">
[21:31] <pauljw> dinnertime... bbl guys.
[21:33] <daftykins> where's mine ;_;
[21:33] <daftykins> ah well cookies and cider it is again ;)
[21:38] <daftykins> haha HTPC booted to initramfs :P
[21:38] <daftykins> now it's me who has no clue!
[21:43] <wileee> heh, me either really
[21:45] <daftykins> all those RAM disks on yuken's paste look weird
[21:47] <wileee> yeah I could not tell what that was
[21:49] <daftykins> probably not even ubuntu ;)
[22:14] <daftykins> raaaaaaaah! where is nomodeset coming from o0
[22:40] <daftykins> TJ-: i have one to run by you if you have any time tonight :)