[00:09] <Fujitsu> fta: Take the distros/ out of the URL, and it will work.
[00:09] <Fujitsu> I filed a bug on that many moons ago.
[00:21] <fta> oh, i remember, not the 1st time i report that here either.
[00:32] <Fujitsu> fta: I thought I'd answered that question from you before, yeah.
[00:41] <fta> broken rss feed i guess
[00:41] <fta> strange it's fine most of the time
[01:02] <Fujitsu> fta: It's only for SPRs with epochs.
[01:15] <emgent> hello
[02:42] <clsk> how long does it normally take to import an svn tree after I edit the trunk details to do so?
[02:43] <mwhudson> clsk: it can take a long time if you don't ask a question or ask in here
[02:44] <mwhudson> clsk: which import is it?
[02:47] <clsk> oh
[02:47] <clsk> for mira
[02:47] <clsk> https://launchpad.net/mira/trunk specifically
[02:52] <clsk> Should I ask a question in launchpad or would someone from here be able to do it?
[03:02] <mwhudson> clsk: i'll do it
[03:03] <mwhudson> clsk: do you want one branch with all of mira-client, mira-server, mira-common in it?
[03:04] <clsk> hmm
[03:05] <clsk> if it's all one branch will it be possible for people to get only mira-client later?
[03:07] <mwhudson> no
[03:07] <clsk> oh.. then no. It'd be better to have separate branches for them.
[03:08] <clsk> We only need mira-client and mira-server though
[03:09] <mwhudson> i guess you might want to set up mira-client and mira-server products then
[03:09] <mwhudson> or just separate series
[03:10] <mwhudson> clsk: tell me when you've put the new details in :)
[03:10] <clsk> hm lets see
[03:11] <clsk> how can I register separate products within the project?
[03:14] <mwhudson> oops
[03:14] <mwhudson> i meant to say project above
[03:14] <mwhudson> 'project groups' can contain projects
[03:15] <mwhudson> but it takes an admin to create a project group
[03:16] <clsk> hm I'll just create two separate series then
[03:17] <mwhudson> ok
[03:27] <clsk> now here's the thing, what we're planning to do is to move to bazaar completely and the branch be hosted at launchpad. so I'll only need to for it to be imported once and not updated
[03:28] <mwhudson> oh right
[03:28] <mwhudson> there are other options for a one shot conversion
[03:28] <mwhudson> like svn2bzr
[03:28] <mwhudson> which require less depending on operator assistance
[03:29] <mwhudson> (also: cool that you're moving to launchpad)
[03:32] <clsk> hm perhaps I should just do that
[03:34] <clsk> hm so with bazaar it's not possible to check out a part of a branch?
[03:34] <spiv> Not yet.
[03:35] <spiv> The bazaar community discussed how to do it at a recent sprint.
[03:35] <spiv> It's just a matter of waiting for someone to write it now ;)
[03:52] <clsk> hm well in that case then, mwhudson, if you could just do the import the way it is right now (with mira-client mira-server and mira-common).
[03:52] <clsk> right now it is necessary to get all the folders, I was only worried for the future since that won't be a requirement later on
[03:53] <mwhudson> i've started it
[03:55] <clsk> thanks
[03:55]  * Hobbsee wonders if the criteria for a cherry pick ever got made public
[03:57] <lifeless> of launchpad ?
[03:58] <emgent> morning
[04:19] <Hobbsee> lifeless: yes
[04:19] <lifeless> Hobbsee: there isn't strict criteria
[04:20] <thumper> Hobbsee: something baaaaad !
[04:20] <Hobbsee> lifeless: oh, i thought there was a list of the.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> m
[04:21] <Hobbsee> thumper: that affects a large number of people, i take it
[04:22] <thumper> Hobbsee: something like that
[04:22] <Hobbsee> thumper: so i hadn't gottne it wrong.  I'll mark in the release todo lists to check that launchpad hasn't broken, so we won't be in this same situation for intrepid.  Thanks.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hurrah, wiki changing works
[04:44]  * Hobbsee files a bug on the breakage, just so it doesn't get lost, and hopes it gets fixed
[04:45] <jamesh> Hobbsee: the criteria is that the change gets approved by kiko or SteveA
[04:46] <Hobbsee> jamesh: ahhh
[04:46] <Hobbsee> jamesh: cool, thanks.
[04:48] <jamesh> there isn't any strict rules about what they'll approve, but we try to keep mid-release cherry picks to a minimum
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #217570 in soyuz "Accepting packages from the launchpad UI causes OOPSes." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217570
[04:52] <Hobbsee> jamesh: yeah.  Although there's no guarentee that other things underneath won't have broken too, so it's safer to leave it as it is, as it does work on drescher still
[04:57] <jamesh> Hobbsee: for stuff like the above, we might not cherry pick if it only affects a small number of people and we can make edge usable in that time.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> jamesh: oh, so you might look at making edge work?
[04:58] <jamesh> not me personally
[04:58] <jamesh> while we're in database freeze, edge is running the current development version of LP
[04:59] <jamesh> so, if the problem gets fixed there it should be usable within a day
[05:00] <Fujitsu> Ah, so you have a set DB freeze? I wondered why edge always tracked RF for a significant part of the month.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> jamesh: yeah, i meant you collectively.
[05:01]  * Hobbsee nods.  cool
[05:01] <jamesh> Fujitsu: yeah.  We bunch up the database changes so that we can test current code against production.
[05:01] <Fujitsu> That makes sense.
[05:01] <jamesh> once the current code depends on a modified database schema, that isn't possible any more
[05:01] <Fujitsu> Right.
[07:42] <Ademan> hey this is mildly offtopic, i'm looking at using zope to write a community website, and i was told launchpad uses it.  My first question is: does launchpad use CMF? (if that is known) and secondly am i the only one launchpad is pretty slow for?
[07:46] <jamesh> Ademan: it doesn't use CMF
[07:47] <jamesh> it doesn't use any Zope 2 stuff
[07:54] <Ademan> jamesh: ? zope3? or what? (i honestly have yet to touch zope, i'm trying to get a feel for what's out there before i dedicate time and energy to learning them, which may turn out to be a bad way to go about things.... but whatever)
[07:54] <jamesh> Ademan: zope 3
[07:54] <Ademan> jamesh: ah, so cmf is zope2?
[07:54] <Ademan> well i noticed the package depended on zope2
[07:54] <jamesh> yeah
[07:54] <jamesh> we're just using zope 3 component framework
[07:55] <Ademan> are you part of the dev team? (i know i've seen you around before, i just assumed you were sorta a community guru lol)
[08:05] <Ademan> jamesh: oh wait it's #gnome-hackers i've seen you in before...
[08:05] <jamesh> Ademan: I am a Launchpad developer, and have done a lot of Gnome stuff too
[08:06] <Ademan> jamesh: ah, awesome actually, are you in a position to make a comment one way or another about using zope? like i said i'm trying to get a feel for what's out there, i'm a big fan of python so i wanted to check out zope
[08:07] <jamesh> Ademan: grok is probably the easiest place to get started on writing Zope 3 apps
[08:07] <jamesh> http://grok.zope.org/
[08:08] <Ademan> thanks, i actually haven't the slightest clue what zope really provides the developer, so i'm probably better off doing some reading rather than bugging people.
[08:24] <al-maisan> Ademan: just in case you consider buying a book on zope: I am currently reading http://www.amazon.com/Web-Component-Development-Zope-3/dp/354076447X/ and it's worth a look..
[08:25] <Ademan> al-maisan: thanks, zope definitely has my attention right now
[08:34] <carlos> morning
[09:06] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:10] <Fujitsu> Hi bad-timezoned mpt.
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #217626 in rosetta "Firefox / Xulrunner better explanations for command / access key translating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217626
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #201398 in soyuz "generate-contents doesn't have permission to write to its temporary configuration file" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201398
[11:08] <jscinoz> PPA seems broken >_<
[11:08] <jscinoz> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13461391/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.urbanterror-data_4.1-0ubuntu3_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:08] <jscinoz> failed to build, but log says it built fine
[11:09] <cprov> jscinoz: can you point me to the build page ? I guess it's failed-to-upload error.
[11:10] <jscinoz> yes, one sec
[11:10] <jscinoz> https://edge.launchpad.net/~jscinoz/+archive/+build/562758
[11:10] <jscinoz> and yes it is failed to upload
[11:11] <jscinoz> hmm
[11:11] <jscinoz> why are superseded packages still counted in archive size?
[11:11] <jscinoz> shouldnt the old versions be deleted?
[11:11] <cprov> jscinoz: you should have received a email with more details about the failure
[11:11] <jscinoz> one moment.
[11:12] <cprov> jscinoz: they are excluded when they get removed from the archive.
[11:12] <jscinoz> so... i'd need to compeltely delete that package, then reupload just the latest?
[11:13] <jscinoz> cprov pastebin of email http://pastebin.com/m7b2763ed
[11:13] <jscinoz> wait i see the problem >_<
[11:13] <jscinoz> ah darnit, i get to upload the whole 710mb package again with a one line change >_<
[11:14] <jscinoz> hmm thats strange,
[11:14] <jscinoz> i already had the pre-depends line it wanted in my debian/control...
[11:15] <cprov> jscinoz: you don't have to re-upload the orig
[11:15] <jscinoz> oh?
[11:15] <jscinoz> what changes need to be made to the dput line to exlude orig?
[11:15] <cprov> jscinoz: create a new source version with 'debuild -S' based on the orig that launchpad already has
[11:15] <jscinoz> oh thanks
[11:15] <jscinoz> still its strange
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #217656 in rosetta "Menu overlay while translating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217656
[11:16] <jscinoz> it complains about not having the pre-depends
[11:16] <jscinoz> and its there...
[11:20] <jscinoz> very strange.
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #217681 in rosetta "Super fast imports slow again" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217681
[13:03] <hubuntu> so I have sort of a bug but this one is very irritating to many people besides me
[13:04] <hubuntu> I can'æt unsubscribe the Spanish Speaking LoCoTams from the System76 team
[13:04] <hubuntu> and all bugs messages get sent to me and many other members of the team.. which is, of course, irritating for hundreds of people
[13:05] <hubuntu> I see something similar but not wuite the same bug, shall i file it as a standalone bug or try to link it to similar bugs?
[13:05] <hubuntu> suggestions anyone?
[13:06] <Fujitsu> hubuntu: Do you mean your team is a member of the System76 team?
[13:06] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: are you the administrator of System76?
[13:06] <hubuntu> nope
[13:06] <hubuntu> but the admin for the spanish team
[13:06] <hubuntu> guive you an example
[13:06] <hubuntu> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/system76/+bug/136467 se the subscribers
[13:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136467 in system76 "Add Windows to a System76 Computer" [Medium,Fix released]
[13:06] <hubuntu> I can't find a way to unsubscribe
[13:06] <Fujitsu> Ah, the system76 project?
[13:07] <hubuntu> yeah, the project, not the team
[13:07] <hubuntu> sorry
[13:07] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: https://launchpad.net/system76/+subscribe
[13:08] <Fujitsu> Why that's not on the Bugs tab I don't know.
[13:08]  * Fujitsu files a bug.
[13:08] <andrea-bs> Fujitsu: the team is subscribed to mail notifications
[13:08] <Fujitsu> andrea-bs: I'm aware.
[13:08] <hubuntu> I should have seen it, but it's not like intuitive if you see the number of correlated bugs (or maybe I am just a bit slow today...)
[13:08] <Fujitsu> But the link for that should be on the Bugs tab.
[13:09] <andrea-bs> Right
[13:10] <hubuntu> the individaul bug doesn't have the option, it is just at the project level it seems
[13:10] <hubuntu> anyway, thanks!
[13:10] <hubuntu> :)
[13:10] <hubuntu> I just tested openID on liveJournal.. it works like a charm
[13:10] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: did you open the page I have linked you?
[13:11] <hubuntu> now I want to use it in our loco team website: ubuntu.ec
[13:11] <hubuntu> should i just add the openID module to drupal and add Launchpad as a OpenID provider or is there something else I should do
[13:11] <hubuntu> ?
[13:11] <hubuntu> yeas andrea-bs AND IT WORKED
[13:11] <hubuntu> sorry for the caps
[13:15] <hubuntu> andrea-bs, I did and i have already unsubscribed the team
[13:16] <andrea-bs> hubuntu: great ;)
[13:18] <hubuntu> I'm gonna test OpenID and get back to you guys and girls if i need help ;)
[13:21] <ubotu> New bug: #217698 in malone "Project/distro bugmail subscription page should be under Bugs tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217698
[13:23] <coolbhavi> hi andrea-bs
[13:23] <andrea-bs> heya coolbhavi
[13:24] <coolbhavi> As a member of the help team I wanted to ask one thing... Is it possible for the ubuntu guys to make helpteam assign questions to each individual depending on their efficiency to solve a problem so that we can ensure better quality support?
[13:24] <coolbhavi> andrea-bs your thoughts
[13:24] <coolbhavi> ?
[13:25] <andrea-bs> coolbhavi: I agree with you (in fact I have confirmed your bug on Launchpad), but I can't do anything else :(
[13:28] <andrea-bs> mh... I see that I didn't confirm it only now
[13:28] <coolbhavi> :)
[13:44] <hubuntu> coolbhavi, it should be implemented through an option and make it possible to unsubscribe from the "i'm good at answering questions" option ;)
[13:44] <coolbhavi> yes hubuntu
[13:45] <hubuntu> so \sh don't get mad if he gets a bug ;)
[13:45] <hubuntu> assigned I mean...
[13:45] <coolbhavi> hubuntu hehe
[13:46] <bimberi> mrevell: thanks :)
[13:47] <mrevell> hi bimberi - what for? :)
[13:47] <bimberi> mrevell: beta testers approval
[13:47] <mrevell> bimberi: Ah, you're welcome!
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #217718 in launchpad-documentation "We don't communicate manual data exports" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217718
[14:21] <Hobbsee> bugs by email don'tn work now?
[14:22] <Hobbsee> oh, it's finally come up.  nvm
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #217738 in malone/1.2 "Make it possible to block comment pushing for a single bug tracker" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217738
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #217746 in ubuntu "Launchpad bug report me only when someone else changes  (dup-of: 548)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217746
[15:43] <Adam24> can anyone help me?
[15:45] <stdin> have you asked a question?
[15:46] <stdin> "<Adam24> can anyone help me?" you have to ask an actual question to get help
[15:47] <Adam24> Can anyone help me register for launchpad?
[15:48] <intellectronica> Adam24: sure, what's the problem?
[15:59] <Adam24> intellectronica: did you get my answer?
[15:59] <intellectronica> Adam24: i don't think so
[16:00] <intellectronica> Adam24: my question was: did you check your spam folder to see whether the confirmation email landed there by accident?
[16:01] <intellectronica> Adam24: b.t.w there's a pretty good help document on registering new accounts at https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/NewAccount which you may be interested to read
 What is the email address the confirmation comes from?
[16:05] <intellectronica> Adam24<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:09] <adam24> intellelectronica  sory for disconnecting.
[16:14] <adam24> intellelectronica: you there?
[16:29] <intellectronica> adam24: still around?
[16:29] <intellectronica> adam24: any luck finding that confirmation email?
[16:30] <adam24> intellectronica: nope
[16:31] <intellectronica> adam24: so, you entered your email, clicked [Register], but never received the confirmation email?
[16:31] <intellectronica> adam24: would you like to try again, to see whether something got confused the first time around?
[16:31] <adam24> intellectronica: nope
[16:31] <adam24> yes
[16:32] <adam24> i would
[16:33] <intellectronica> adam24: cool. let me know how that worked
[16:35] <adam24> intellectronica: It worked!  Did you fix it?
[16:36] <intellectronica> adam24: no, i guess something just went wrong the first time around. maybe you misspelled the email or something?...
[16:36] <adam24> intellectronica: thanks for your help!
[16:36] <intellectronica> adam24: pleasure. and welcome to Launchpad!
[16:38] <adam24> intellectronica: I'll definitely enjoy launchpad!  Do you have a profile on launchpad?
[16:39] <intellectronica> adam24: https://launchpad.net/~intellectronica
[16:43] <adam24> intellectronica: ok, thanks.  cya!
[16:46] <adam24> intellectronica: Oh yeah, is there a way I can get an Ubuntu 7.10 cd mailed to me?
[16:47] <intellectronica> adam24: i don't think so. i think only the latest version gets emailed. i'm no expert on ubuntu stuff, though
[16:48] <adam24> intellectronica: the site says they can be sent via ShipIt.
[16:48] <al-maisa1> adam24: try https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[16:48] <adam24> ShipIt is currently closed  We'll be back in a few days, shipping Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) CDs.
[16:49]  * intellectronica wrote emailed instead of posted. huh huh
[16:49] <intellectronica> adam24: that must be a mistake. the next version is 8.04
[16:50] <adam24> intellectronica: ShipIt is currently closed while we prepare for the Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) release. We'll be back in a few days.
[16:50] <salgado> it is a mistake indeed. we'll be back in a few days shipping 8.04
[16:51] <Hobbsee> so, if i accept packages from staging, it won't touch the regular archive, right?
[16:53] <Hobbsee> i sure hope not, anyway
[16:57] <Hobbsee> matsubara: why do things not die when you test them again?  it's really quite annoying.
[16:58] <matsubara> Hobbsee, nope, it won't touch the regular archive
[16:59] <Hobbsee> matsubara: good, else slangasek would kill me, and i don't feel like dying today
[16:59] <matsubara> Hobbsee, and yes, it's annoying when things just work when you're showing that they're broken.
[16:59] <Hobbsee> matsubara: it had repeatedly broken for me before. :(
[17:00] <Hobbsee> matsubara: want it as invalid / fix released / something else, as you want to deal with the general load problems?
[17:00] <matsubara> yep, I noticed that, the OOPSes i added to the report have your name all over them
[17:00] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[17:00] <Hobbsee> well, i *am* the only one who actually has to use that section, so tha'ts logical.
[17:01] <Hobbsee> everyone else just uses the queue on drescher, it apperas.
[17:01] <matsubara> hehe that's what cprov told me. you're the only one using that page. :-)
[17:01] <Hobbsee> matsubara: it's unfortunate in a way - means i can never justify my own bugs for it getting fixed, due to so little people using it.
[17:02] <matsubara> anyway, the soyuz guys are planning a page redesign and told me that they'll keep the timeout in mind. I'll also keep an eye for a spike in timeouts in that area
[17:03] <Hobbsee> matsubara: cool.  Yeah, i've heard about more people being added to it - i just hope they fix my bugs (mostly cosmetic) before htey do.
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #217803 in launchpad-documentation "+junk branches are not documented" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/217803
[21:32] <XiXaQ> there was a question in a Ubuntu channel about how many unique bug reporters there are. Is there any way to find that information on launchpad.net?
[21:35] <XiXaQ> and if not, if someone with database access could find out? It should be a simple sql statement..
[21:38] <kiko-fud> XiXaQ, yes, I could query for you. for ubuntu, right?
[21:38] <XiXaQ> right.
[21:41] <kiko-fud>  count
[21:41] <kiko-fud> -------
[21:41] <kiko-fud>  48265
[21:48] <XiXaQ> that's unique registered users who has been the initial reporter of a bug?
[21:52] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud?
[21:58] <kiko-fud> XiXaQ, yes
[21:59] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud, how many anonymous are there? :)
[21:59] <kiko-fud> none
[22:01] <XiXaQ> huh?
[22:02] <XiXaQ> you don't have to register in order to file automatic crash reports, for instance, but they are available on launchpad anyway, aren't they?
[22:08] <kiko-fud> XiXaQ, no, you need to register in launchpad to file bugs, always.
[22:09] <kiko-fud> automatic crash reports can be uploaded anonymously, but just that.
[22:09] <kiko-fud> they aren't linked to a bug until you report it.
[22:09] <XiXaQ> oh..
[22:10] <kiko-fud> oh. :)
[22:10] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud, does that mean all automated bug reports must be reported manually by someone else?
[22:10] <kiko-fud> by the user himself!
[22:11] <XiXaQ> kiko-fud, luckily, it's been a while since I've seen that crash report thingie, but I haven't noticed any login-box there?
[22:13] <kiko-fud> you're confused. you upload the crash report, but then firefox starts up so you can complete the report!
[22:15] <XiXaQ> oh, I see. :)


[02:24] <snap-l> brousch: THat's good news
[02:40] <rick_h> snap-l: you liked this physics guy book?
[02:41] <rick_h> man I can't get going into it. It's like it's written by a freaking high schooler
[02:49] <snap-l> rick_h: The story's the thing
[02:49] <snap-l> They're not physics books
[02:50] <snap-l> Genius by Gleck might be better
[02:50] <snap-l> (according to JoDee)
[02:50] <snap-l> But yeah, they're science pablum
[03:19] <rick_h> snap-l: I was just surprised you gave it 5 stars. I'm at 2 myself atm, but only a few dozen pages in I guess
[11:35] <brousch> http://askubuntu.com/questions/105226/what-does-this-python2-error-mean-and-what-should-i-do-about-it
[12:00] <rick_h> nice, so arch user on ask ubuntu now
[12:01] <rick_h> heh, and arch ships with py3
[12:33] <brousch> he can easily translate it
[12:33] <brousch> i thought only cluefull people used arch
[14:03] <jrwren> nope, just clueless hipsters
[15:08] <snap-l> irc
[15:08] <snap-l> is the command I use to bring up IRC.
[15:09] <snap-l> bah, I think my URL thingie is busticated.
[15:11] <snap-l> Nice, got a cold-call e-mail for a "Python WEb Developer" in MI
[15:11] <snap-l> With e-mail click-tracking links abounding
[15:13] <snap-l> And no details about the job at all
[15:25] <rick_h> heh, suckered in
[15:25] <snap-l> Nah, I cut out the referral stuff
[15:26] <snap-l> The only details are what I've posted. :)
[15:26] <rick_h> the money pit begins! fish tank is out of storage and the amazon wishlist is loading up
[15:26] <snap-l> rick_h: so, are blue tangs on the wishlist?
[15:27] <snap-l> Would love to see UPS try to ship that two-day. ;)
[15:27] <rick_h> heh no
[15:27] <rick_h> that's salt water
[15:27] <rick_h> heh, I've mailed ordered fish and shrimp before
[15:27] <snap-l> Doing fresh water?
[15:28] <rick_h> yea, planted fresh water again
[15:28] <rick_h> the decision is who's going to be center stage
[15:28] <rick_h> angel, gourami, or rainbow fish
[15:28] <snap-l> Danios. :)
[15:28] <snap-l> 1,000 danios
[15:28] <rick_h> hah!
[15:29] <snap-l> Still debating on getting a new tank
[15:30] <rick_h> went day dreaming through moby dick store yesterday
[15:33] <snap-l> http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11785666
[15:33] <snap-l> http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4449731
[15:33] <rick_h> don't go non-standard, you'll end up regretting it
[15:34] <snap-l> Yeah, that's what i thought
[15:34] <rick_h> for instance, my tank stand had a crack, so because it's standard, I just hit up moby dick and came home with a new one easy enough
[15:34] <rick_h> you don't want custom sized lighting, top, base, etc
[15:35] <snap-l> http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=11164160
[15:38] <rick_h> come on, you know you want http://www.amazon.com/Midwest-Tropical-Rectangle-Aqua-Tower/dp/B000K7HL8W/ref=sr_1_50?s=pet-supplies&ie=UTF8&qid=1329579484&sr=1-50 :)
[15:39] <snap-l> Oh hell yes.
[15:39] <snap-l> JoDee would love that
[15:39] <snap-l> "Yeah, it's real pretty, except it's a grand. :)"
[15:40] <rick_h> well don't tell her that part, it's only 30gal though :/
[15:40] <snap-l> Too late.
[15:41] <rick_h> we'll go hit up the fish store when you come over for the sprint
[15:43] <brousch> that is cool
[15:44] <brousch> but i can't think of a space where we could put it
[15:44] <snap-l> It would actually fit wher we have
[15:46] <brousch> make it so
[15:46] <snap-l> Something tells me that would be an awful lot of weight in a small area
[15:49] <rick_h> it's ok, just make sure you're over a joist
[15:49] <rick_h> <3 https://twitter.com/#!/hmason/status/170896118106959873
[15:50] <rick_h> well, hopefully by next weekend I'll have water running and a few plants
[15:50] <snap-l> Did anyone tell Fab that their site sucks
[15:50] <rick_h> stuff's been in storage for 5yr so having to get a bunch of new stuff still
[15:53] <brousch> i can't even see the site because there is a giant signup form blocking it all
[15:53] <snap-l> yes
[15:54] <brousch> damn fools
[19:09] <snap-l> W00000t!
[19:09] <snap-l> Got discount cards for logitech.com for MUG
[19:09] <snap-l> 35% discount
[19:11] <jrwren> so, 10%more than newegg :)
[19:37] <Dekkard> msg/nickserv identify 308cal
[20:39] <brousch> snap-l: for logitech? so you can buy mice and speakers?


[00:14] <marienz> we've not had much luck explaining to shellmix that it'd be a good idea for them to run a reliable ident and discuss ilining/cloaking with us
[00:15] <Corey> Instead they periodically have abusive users ruin things for everyone.
[00:18] <Aadya> are you there ikonia?
[00:18] <Aadya> are you there bazhang?
[00:18] <Aadya> or Pici?
[00:18] <Aadya> rww?
[00:19] <IdleOne> Aadya: How can we help you?
[00:19] <bazhang> Aadya, whats up
[00:19] <Aadya> ummm , Did you guys know Vibhav went to a vacation to USA?
[00:19] <bazhang> yes
[00:19] <Aadya> I am Vibhav
[00:19] <bazhang> ok
[00:19] <Aadya> in USA
[00:20] <Aadya> so is my home IP unbanned?
[00:21] <bazhang> Aadya, since you were to come here after your month break and discuss before its removal, no
[00:21] <Aadya> bazhing - vibhav=rpande=Adaya
[00:21] <Aadya> on 7 July , will I be unbanned?
[00:22] <bazhang> come and discuss then. why are you in #ubuntu now
[00:22] <Aadya> Very Sorry!
[00:22] <bazhang> thanks
[00:22] <Aadya> Can I go to offtopic then?
[00:22] <bazhang> were you banned there?
[00:22] <IdleOne> yes
[00:22] <Aadya> this is what ikonia did
[00:23] <Aadya> Thanks1
[00:23] <IdleOne> err not yes to him
[00:23] <bazhang> yes banned? or yes, can go
[00:23] <IdleOne> yes to your question bazhang
[00:23] <bazhang> heh
[00:23] <bazhang> well lets see if he behaves
[00:23] <IdleOne> lol but he was fast on the draw
[00:23] <IdleOne> the fact that he came here to let us know is a good step I think
[00:24] <bazhang> yep
[00:24] <bazhang> and he parted #ubuntu immediately
[00:24] <IdleOne> right
[03:59] <bazhang> he never even tried any of the proposed fixes
[03:59] <Corey> bazhang: Of course not.
[03:59] <Corey> He was looking for a way to rant at people.
[04:00] <bazhang> remastersys could do that, but thats a PPA
[04:00] <IdleOne> he could just use !clone
[04:01] <IdleOne> no need remaster, who knows what changes they go make and break everything and then try to get support
[04:01] <IdleOne> only tell you after you break your head for 3 hours trying to troubleshoot
[04:01] <Corey> You can't win them all.
[04:02] <IdleOne> nor should you try
[04:02] <bazhang> * [mikevPussyboy] (~none@DARIASIL.MIT.EDU): none
[04:02] <bazhang> got a bad feeling...
[04:07] <J_E_S_U_S> #ubuntu
[04:09] <J_E_S_U_S> oh
[04:09] <J_E_S_U_S> Banned.
[04:09] <J_E_S_U_S> guess i won't be helping people today
[04:09] <bazhang> for what?
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> why was I banned?
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> for speaking french, "flooding", and telling an op to f* off
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> all the while I was helping 5 people
[04:10] <J_E_S_U_S> at the same time
[04:10] <bazhang> that would do it
[04:11] <bazhang> there is not karma that lets you flout guidelines
[04:11] <J_E_S_U_S> yeah
[04:12] <bazhang> so why mention helping people
[04:12] <MrCleaWithHair> because it was an awkward situation
[04:12] <bazhang> !guidelines | MrCleaWithHair
[04:12] <bazhang> !coc | MrCleaWithHair and this too
[04:13] <MrCleaWithHair> ubottu: YOU WERE ONE OF THEM
[04:13] <MrCleaWithHair> you and floodbot and Justin_??
[04:13] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, pardon? you wish to resolve this? or not
[04:13] <MrCleaWithHair> yeah
[04:13] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, if yes, then take a few minutes to read those.
[04:14] <MrCleaWithHair> you want me to sign the code of conduct?
[04:15] <bazhang> just reading the two linked guides is sufficient
[04:15] <IdleOne> Don't need to sign the code of conduct but you do need to abide by it if you wish to help in #ubuntu
[04:15] <MrCleaWithHair> I can do that for you
[04:16] <bazhang> take your time
[04:18] <MrCleaWithHair> ok done. I'm sorry for trolling last night.
[04:18] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, so you will abide by channel guidelines and rules?
[04:18] <MrCleaWithHair> yes
[04:18] <bazhang> okay
[04:20] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, try to join now
[04:20] <MrCleaWithHair> bazhang: thank you. i'll behave.
[04:20] <bazhang> you're in it seems
[04:21] <bazhang> MrCleaWithHair, as we have resolved the issue, please part this channel thanks
[07:38] <bronaugh> ok, so can someone perhaps un-quiet me in #ubuntu?
[07:43] <Flannel> bronaugh: Howdy.
[07:44] <bronaugh> hey, Flannel
[07:44] <Tm_T> good morning
[07:44] <Flannel> bronaugh: So, from what I can tell, it seems you were getting a bit frustrated and blew off some steam.
[07:45] <bronaugh> pretty much.
[07:45] <bronaugh> I ended up upgrading to 11.04 from 8.04 anyways. so whatever; in the end he was right.
[07:45] <bronaugh> of course, new distro, new problems
[07:45] <Flannel> bronaugh: I'm not sure why this quiet still exists, I imagine it's mistakenly forgotten about, but just to be thorough, I'm going to just make sure you're comfortable participating in a non-grating manner.
[07:46] <Flannel> bronaugh: That is to say, people shutting you down rudely or otherwise merely for asking about EOL isn't something I endorse,
[07:47] <bronaugh> alright...
[07:47] <Flannel> but, being friendly (even if remaining friendly means taking a step away for a while) is also certainly something we like to see.
[07:48] <Flannel> (That helps you anyway, since people are less likely to help someone who is grating)
[07:48] <Flannel> anyway, I think I've rambled long enough, let me see about removing the quiet.
[07:48] <bronaugh> alright.
[07:49] <Flannel> bronaugh: I think I got it.  Please join #ubuntu and say something so we can verify I didn't miss something.
[07:49] <Flannel> or, just say something, I guess, as you're already there.
[07:50] <bronaugh> Flannel: I think you need -q
[07:51] <Tm_T> done
[07:51] <Flannel> They should be equivalent in the backend, but that may not be true anymore.
[07:51] <bronaugh> Tm_T: thanks :)
[07:51] <Flannel> Did you actually try to say something after the -b?
[07:51] <Tm_T> it's not the same
[07:51] <Tm_T> IIRC never been exactly the same
[07:52] <Flannel> Tm_T: The ircd-seven for hyperion users faq said they were translated to be equivalent, or something similar to that.
[07:52] <Flannel> Ah, no, it said that it no longer translates them.
[07:53] <Flannel> I knew I read something about that.
[07:53] <Tm_T> (:
[07:53] <Flannel> Bantracker still translates them.  That's unfortunate.
[07:53] <Tm_T> bronaugh: please confirm you can talk in the channel, and if you can, then you're free to leave this channel
[07:56] <bronaugh> yeah, it's fine.
[07:56] <Tm_T> jolly good
[07:57] <bronaugh> thanks again.
[11:29] <ikonia> I'm talking to pythonsnake in pm (if he responds)
[11:52] <ikonia> Pythonsnake responded well in pm, took the guidelines URL and genuninly appears to have read it, so there should be an improvement in his contribution
[12:50] <bazhang> already complaining about 11.10
[12:52] <bazhang> xvilo and comics same IP
[13:19] <Pici> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/ is rather handy.  /me bookmarks
[13:19] <ikonia> agreed
[13:20] <ikonia> Pici: not very handy if the person you've just given it to doesn't read it
[13:20] <Pici> ikonia: can you help me answer that last question, I'm not familiar with PCI compliance. I think I remember seeing you field a question on it previously.
[13:21] <ikonia> yes, sure, sorry, I wasn't paying attention
[13:21] <Pici> ikonia: thats why I asked here ;)
[13:41] <bazhang> seems an odd way to remove older kernels
[13:41] <ikonia> I suspect he's removed the package somehow and it's not picked up the file
[13:51] <bazhang> pythonsnake is telling every user to PM him for support
[13:52] <ikonia> yes, I've spoke to him about it earlier
[14:28] <bazhang> anyone got a clue what dood is saying?
[14:45] <ikonia> hello there BluesKaj
[14:47] <BluesKaj> hi ikonia ..is there some kind of personal dislike amongst some members here ..I see a lot of picky coments about off topic talk when there little conversation in the chat
[14:48] <ikonia> which channel/where
[14:48] <ikonia> I've not been paying %100 attention, so you'll need to fill me in, and be a little specific if possible
[14:48] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1
[14:48] <ikonia> ok, what's happened and when
[14:48] <ikonia> I've not seen anything in #ubuntu while I was active, so just offer the details
[14:50] <BluesKaj> between em and tsimpson ...tsimpson seems to ahgve an "attitude"  that I haven't seen before . Personally i think new linux users find that discouraging
[14:50] <ikonia> BluesKaj: people are playing games and trying to be a problem in the channel, so on occasion you have to be direct/to the point/%100 clear
[14:51] <ikonia> BluesKaj: I agree it's not useful and it won't be continuing
[14:51] <BluesKaj> undesrtood but I saw no game playing
[14:51] <ikonia> yes, that's the intetion
[14:51] <ikonia> emma / em is a long term problem user in the #ubuntu channels, and is for some reason upset about something and trying to make a point
[14:52] <ikonia> all this has happened in other channels and now #ubuntu is being used to play games
[14:52] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: me and em have been discussing the issues already
[14:52] <ikonia> it will stop
[14:52] <BluesKaj> anyway ..a personal observation... a little levity doesn't hurt occasionally when the chat isn't busy
[14:52] <ikonia> BluesKaj: agreed,
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok thanks ikonia , that's all I have to say
[15:05] <bazhang> genii-around, congrats! and an email from sabdfl himself as well!
[15:05] <genii-around> bazhang: Thanks
[15:06]  * genii-around ponders the "somewhat dubious" part
[15:17] <em> Hi
[15:17] <ikonia> hello
[15:17] <bazhang> hi
[15:18] <em> I do not accept that this is true:
[15:18] <ikonia> what?
[15:19] <em> ikonia: emma/em is a long term problem user in the #ubuntu channels, and is for some reason upset about something and trying to make a point
[15:19] <ikonia> ok - don't accept it
[15:19] <em> I could just as well say you are a long term problem in #ubuntu channels and be equally correct.
[15:19] <ikonia> if you want, that's fine
[15:19] <em> Thanks then. :)
[15:19] <ikonia> ok, bye
[15:19] <em> Okay sure one moment.
[15:38]  * Pici passes out a bottle of aspirin to everyone
[15:39] <bazhang> dood! where's my aspirin!
[15:40] <mneptok> Pici: why is the pill you handed me labelled "Drano?"
[15:40] <bazhang> :0
[15:44] <Pici> mneptok: its a special pill just for you
[15:44] <bazhang> dont even remember his issue, lost the link
[15:45] <mneptok> Pici: i feel the love ;)
[15:50] <LjL> DOOD, do you realize the channel has 1500 people and it's hard enough to follow it without people flooding and demanding immediate answers?
[15:50] <DOOD> well
[15:51] <DOOD> i have been waiting for the links to a forum u know
[15:51] <DOOD> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:51] <DOOD> for along time
[15:52] <DOOD> ok. LjL
[15:52] <LjL> DOOD: people can be busy or whatever. anyway, we have a first problem i can see here
[15:52] <LjL> !enter
[15:53] <LjL> the best way to keep #ubuntu the least busy is to ask an articulate question on one line, and reply on one line
[15:53] <LjL> think about what you need to say, and then say it and press enter when you're ready - don't follow it with a trail of other stuff
[15:53] <DOOD> what do u mean enter key
[15:53] <LjL> the Return key. the key that lets you send a line.
[15:53] <maco> DOOD: return
[15:54] <DOOD> so can i speak to dazhang
[15:54] <LjL> i don't know whether bazhang is busy now or not, but meanwhile i want you to check out these factoids before you're allowed back into #ubuntu
[15:54] <LjL> !etiquette > DOOD
[15:55] <genii-around> DOOD: For instance, what you wrote here earlier in five lines where you hit enter five times, starting with: "well" on a line of it's own, and ending with" "ok. LjL"  could have been written together at once, then hit the Enter key only at the end of it all.
[16:02] <bazhang> now in #ubuntu
[16:02] <Pici> who?
[16:03] <Pici> nevermind.
[16:03] <Pici> thanks mneptok
[16:04] <mneptok> yessah
[16:04] <LjL> dood, are you stoned?
[16:04] <LjL> whops
[16:04] <LjL> that was to pici :)
[16:04] <LjL> dooood: please don't try rejoining #ubuntu until the issue is resolved
[16:04] <doood> what do u mean
[16:05] <mneptok> doood: changing your nick to avoid a ban
[16:05] <LjL> i mean you are currently banned from #ubuntu and redirected to here, and you're not supposed to attempt rejoining #ubuntu using other nicknames and stuff
[16:05] <doood> because what did i do
[16:05] <mneptok> doood: you just did it. you know you did it. please do not insult our intelligence by feigning ignorance.
[16:05] <doood> ok
[16:05] <mneptok> thank you.
[16:05] <doood> but what else did i do
[16:06] <LjL> doood: i've tried to explain what you did, and until i'm sure you've got it, i won't remove the ban
[16:06] <LjL> doood: you kept asking and asking again for something, *demanding* it be provided
[16:06] <doood> could u explain again plz
[16:06] <LjL> doood: you're simply not supposed to do that in #ubuntu
[16:06] <doood> i stopped afterwords
[16:06] <doood> when i was DOOD
[16:07] <LjL> doood: ask a question, in ONE line, have some patience, and if there is no answer, ask again later (let at least 10 minutes or so pass), again in ONE line without saying things like "did you see my question"
[16:07] <LjL> doood: yes, you stopped because you were banned ;)
[16:07] <doood> plz uplift the ban
[16:07] <LjL> doood: only if it's clear that you understand the rules. have you read the !etiquette thing i sent you?
[16:08] <doood> yes and i am sorry
[16:08] <mneptok> LjL: i'm off for a confcall. the ban i set is all yours to remove, if you wish.
[16:08] <LjL> doood: another small thing, please type in full words. "plz" and "u" may not be clear to non-native speakers of english, of which #ubuntu has a large number
[16:08] <LjL> mneptok: ok
[16:09] <doood> ok
[16:09] <doood> please you
[16:09] <LjL> doood: you need to understand now that if i remove the ban, you won't be cut ANY more slack. you're supposed to know the rules now. if you misbehave again, you will be banned for much longer.
[16:09] <doood> ok understood
[16:10] <doood> but can i change my username back to DOOD
[16:10] <bazhang> yes
[16:10] <LjL> doood: you can change it to whatever you want, although i personally think it's important to maintain a single identity on freenode
[16:10] <LjL> doood: the ban has been removed
[16:10] <doood> thanks
[16:11] <ikonia> I've seen that "well" <cr> before
[16:12] <LjL> (i also prefer not to have to chase my highlights, but i thought i wouldn't tell him that)
[17:51] <Tm_T> hi COOLDOOD, can we help you with something?
[17:58] <COOLDOOD> can i speak to LjL
[17:59] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: you've just spent 15 minutes discussing this with me
[17:59] <ikonia> you can take a break for a day and come back after you've absorbed what I told you
[18:00] <ikonia> if LjL is available you're welcome to speak to him
[18:01] <COOLDOOD> please un ban me
[18:01] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: come back in 24 hours - I explained things in great detail to you
[18:02] <ikonia> if you keep asking, I'll assume you've not understood what I explained to you and ask that you take longer to consider it
[18:02] <COOLDOOD> bur iwant wireless internet quickly
[18:02] <ikonia> I understand that
[18:02] <COOLDOOD> within at most1 hour
[18:02] <ikonia> but maybe your need is clouding how you should behave, ljl spent time explaining it, and I've just done it again
[18:02] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: less haste = more speed
[18:03] <COOLDOOD> ok i uderstood very quickly i do 1 more bad thing and ban me 4ever
[18:03] <ikonia> no
[18:03] <ikonia> I've explained it to you in pm for 15 minutes - no
[18:03] <COOLDOOD> ineed wirless quick
[18:04] <ikonia> you can come back to tomorrow when you've thought it through
[18:04] <COOLDOOD> come on with a pat on the back
[18:04] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: no - please stop asking. We'll see you in 24 hours if you wish
[18:04] <COOLDOOD> i wish2 minutes
[18:05] <ikonia> no, 24 hours
[18:05] <COOLDOOD> 10 hours
[18:05] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: it's not a negotion
[18:05] <ikonia> negotiation
[18:06] <COOLDOOD> but u dont know how i feel so upset an crying
[18:06] <ikonia> I'm sorry about that
[18:06] <ikonia> COOLDOOD: I think we are done now - I'll speak to you (or anyone in this channel) in 24 hours
[18:06] <nhandler> COOLDOOD: I would suggest parting this channel and waiting until tomorrow as ikonia has requested
[18:06] <ikonia> please try to consider the information LjL gave you
[18:07] <COOLDOOD> i swear iam crying now
[18:07]  * LjL rolls eyes until they fall out
[18:08] <ikonia> LjL: you're welcome to give him more time, I've just tried for 15 minutes in pm
[18:08] <LjL> eh, my own PM was long enough
[18:08] <ikonia> fair enough
[18:08] <Pici> I think you both handled it well here.
[18:09] <ikonia> I'll take and appreciate the compliment
[18:09] <LjL> :)
[18:17] <mneptok> the users that *really* need networking support aren't asking for it on IRC, as IRC require a functioning network connection *somewhere*
[18:18] <mneptok> and i can assure you, people that have paid for a support contract from Canonical have far, far fewer constraints on their behavior than do IRC users. be as rude or demanding as you want. you paid good money.
[18:20] <ikonia> I wouldn't take that attitude from paying customers
[18:22] <genii-around> Me either
[18:24] <mneptok> Canonical does not pay support engineers to teach etiquette. you're paid to solve problems. if a customer becomes unmanageable, that's why there's management. :)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> true in most customer support positions
[18:25] <genii-around> customer: $^%#@!!!    tech: Let me patch you through to my supervisor
[18:28] <mneptok> genii-around: better - "I'm sorry. I did not quite hear that. Could you repeat it?"
[18:28] <mneptok> (most people won't repeat it)
[19:14] <oCean> DOOD: what's up?
[19:15] <DOOD> is LjL around
[19:15] <oCean> I think you where told to return tomorrow
[19:16] <oCean> DOOD: if there's nothing else, you can part now
[19:17] <DOOD> unban please
[19:17] <oCean> not now - you where told what to do
[19:17] <DOOD> u cant just do it 4 me
[19:19] <DOOD> can u sole a problem with my wir;ess stick
[19:19] <DOOD> solve wireless
[19:19] <mneptok> DOOD: you will not be unbanned for at least 24h. that is non-negotiable. continuing to /join this channel and ask will result in increases to 48h, 72h etc. evetually the ban will become permanent if you do not stop asking.
[19:19] <genii-around> DOOD: When one operator has banned you and says "come back in 24 hours" .. another operator will not unban you before the original one would have.
[19:20] <DOOD> ok but can u solve aproblem 4 me
[19:20] <mneptok> no. this is not a support channel.
[19:20] <DOOD> so what is ? the one i got banned from ?
[19:21] <mneptok> DOOD: yes. #ubuntu is the support channel.
[19:21] <DOOD> oh bye
[19:22] <mneptok> DOOD: please "/part #ubuntu-ops" until tomorrow.
[19:23] <DOOD> ok
[19:23]  * mneptok resets the timer
[19:23] <mneptok> wagers? anyone?
[19:24] <genii-around> I give em maybe 2 hours
[19:25] <genii-around> mneptok: Since it will be midnight in their timezone in about 1 hour 45 minutes, my bet is they return like 1 minute after midnight local time hoping ban auto-expires
[19:27] <mneptok> 24h != tomorrow
[19:27] <mneptok> but i'll bet you're right.
[19:58]  * popey spies DOOD turn up in -uk
[19:58] <popey> (joined and left)
[19:58] <Pici> :(
[20:12]  * jpds wonders how useful usr13 really is.
[20:33] <ikonia> why is it when you help people and ask questions to get them the help they need, they ignore them and give you other random bits of information that's just usless and do random things like reboot in the middle of debugging
[20:34] <jpds> ikonia: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[20:34] <ikonia> he's doing that on his own :)
[20:34] <jpds> He knows what a button looks like?
[20:37] <genii-around> ikonia: I had that lots before. My usual response is something like: When you suddenly begin improvising on what you think you need to do, it makes it much more difficult to assist
[20:38] <Pici> If I had a nickel for every time I saw ikonia write "thats not the command I asked you to run"...
[20:38] <genii-around> Heh
[20:45] <genii-around> ikonia: It looks like md127 is a fallback name when there is a problem, as the link i posted indicates
[20:45] <ikonia> yes
[20:45] <ikonia> already tried to explain that to him
[20:45] <ikonia> just seen your link too
[20:52] <ikonia> hello shockrates
[20:55] <ikonia> shockrates: do you need/want something ?
[20:58] <ikonia> shockrates: hello ?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[22:40] <bazhang> hey
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> can we support users whom make custom ISOs using remastersyst?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> *remastersys
[22:41] <bazhang> its a PPA so no
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> i see
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> cheers man
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> :)
[23:30] <jpds> Cheers? Where's the beer?
[23:31] <knome> jpds, it's in the fridge
[23:52]  * nhandler isn't seeing it on fridge.ubuntu.com
[23:55] <knome> nhandler, in *my* fridge ;)


[12:15] <nixternal> [Tue Jul 11 2006]  [12:59:41]  <nixternal>	mdz and mgalvin, if you need help with it, i can lend a hand today after the cc meeting
[12:15] <nixternal> it was mdz
[12:15] <Riddell> guess that didn't happen :)
[12:16] <nixternal> heh...is there a lot that still needs to get completed?
[12:16] <nixternal> or is it ready for release?
[12:19] <Riddell> I'm just about to release it
[12:19] <nixternal> cool
[12:19] <nixternal> when your done, and need me to update wiki at all..let me know
[12:19] <Riddell> update with what?
[12:19] <nixternal> i can get #7 started when you are done
[12:19] <Riddell> groovy
[12:19] <nixternal> hehe
[12:20] <nixternal> well, move #6 up the the current position, and put #7 into the "next issue" position..thats what i meant there ;0
[12:25] <Riddell> nixternal: ok sent, please clean up the wiki
[12:25] <nixternal> thanks for releasing it !!!
[12:47] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter       page updated
[12:47] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue7    created
[01:26] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you around?
[01:29] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do you have a couple minutes to look at a wiki page for me?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yep
[01:30] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:30] <LaserJock> we've been adding some stuff
[01:30] <LaserJock> and I'd like your overall opinion  on structure/organization
[01:30] <LaserJock> it seems like it could use some help to me
[01:31] <Burgundavia> it can
[01:31] <Burgundavia> first impression: too much bold
[01:31] <Burgundavia> however, you do clearly state what motu is
[01:31] <Burgundavia> the list of useful links needs to be subdivided
[01:31] <Burgundavia> maybe break out the "how do I become a motu" section
[01:32] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia
[01:32] <Burgundavia> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvNetInstallationHowTo
[01:32] <nixternal> heh, my brother called and says his "Windows" computer is broken
[01:32] <Burgundavia> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/openChrome
[01:32] <nixternal> go go go..keep going
[01:33] <Burgundavia> nixternal: did you tell him you have this great fix?
[01:33] <nixternal> haha ya
[01:33] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: so maybe less bold and more use of sectioning?
[01:34] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:34] <LaserJock> what about a TOC?
[01:34] <Burgundavia> maybe talk about about the lifecycle of a package, and organize links around that
[01:35] <LaserJock> interesting idea
[01:36] <LaserJock> right now CategoryMOTU has 109 pages
[01:36] <LaserJock> I'd like to condense that down a bit
[01:37] <nixternal> jeesh
[01:37] <nixternal> i was going to make a motu joke, but decided against, it, as i need help from some of them
[01:38] <LaserJock> ah, go ahead, we're good sports ;-)
[01:45] <nixternal> done deal Burgundavia
[01:46] <Burgundavia> nixternal: thanks
[01:46] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you can't move pages?
[01:46] <nixternal> Burgundavia is way to busy to move them
[01:46] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: too lazy
[01:46] <nixternal> lol
[01:46] <nixternal> he can find them though
[01:47] <Burgundavia> I am currently researching why my potato plants have little holes in the leaves
[01:47] <nixternal> type of potato?
[01:49] <nixternal> the little holes could be caused by aphids
[01:49] <nixternal> as the leafhopper which is common to the tator plants usually causing curling of the leaves or yellow spots
[01:50] <LaserJock> so it seems he's useful for more than just moving wiki pages
[01:50] <nixternal> also, fleabeetles can create holes that looks like you shot the leaf with a shotgun
[01:50] <nixternal> i told you LaserJock that i did some environmental science classes within the past year or 2
[01:50] <nixternal> horticulture was some too
[01:51] <LaserJock> cool
[01:51] <nixternal> i got certified in the state of illinois to apply pesticides
[01:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:51] <LaserJock> I avoided the biology end
[01:51] <LaserJock> I like the chemistry/physics
[01:51] <nixternal> biology was fun
[01:51] <nixternal> heh, and i hated chem/phys
[01:51] <nixternal> i shouldn't say hate, but it wasn't my cup of tea
[01:52] <Burgundavia> looks like the holes are colorado potato beetle
[01:52] <Burgundavia> http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/CPB-HarmBIG.jpg
[01:52] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, people seem to usually love it or hate it
[01:52] <Burgundavia> leaves looks like this
[01:52] <nixternal> can you see white dust looking stuff on the leaves?
[01:52] <Burgundavia> no
[01:52] <nixternal> also, most beetles leave "poop" behind
[01:52] <crimsun> I liked 'em both so much I decided to stay in school a year more
[01:52] <Burgundavia> and there is nothing on the underside of any of the leaves
[01:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe
[01:53] <nixternal> haha
[01:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:53] <nixternal> i can give you the email of a professor that is a freakin' genius with this stuff..although he doesn't respond to mine at all
[01:53] <LaserJock> we should have a horticultural encyclopedia package
[01:54] <Burgundavia> sweet, gardeningforgeeks is available
[01:54] <Burgundavia> .com,.ca and .org, that is
[01:54] <nixternal> gahaha
[01:54] <nixternal> lets do it
[01:54] <nixternal> as i have a fairly large pepper patch
[01:55] <nixternal> when the mowers come through though, they tend to rob them blind
[01:55] <LaserJock> we grow some nice sage brush here in NV ;-)
[01:55] <nixternal> hehe
[01:57] <Burgundavia> hmm, it appears I am stumped on this pest
[01:57] <Burgundavia> there are just large holes in the leaves, but the undersides of the leaves are clear
[01:57] <Burgundavia> something has been eating them
[01:57] <nixternal> whoa
[01:57] <nixternal> they are clear in color?
[01:57] <nixternal> like the chlorophyll is gone?
[01:57] <Burgundavia> no, just eaten
[01:58] <Burgundavia> by clear, I mean there is no debris, eggs or anything similar
[01:58] <nixternal> that isn't white flies then
[01:58] <nixternal> it could be aphids or spider mites
[01:58] <Burgundavia> wouldn't I see aphids? I didn't see any
[01:58] <nixternal> both are very very hard to see with the eye
[01:59] <nixternal> ya...actually aphids would be easier to see then a spider mite
[01:59] <nixternal> thrips are good for green leaf distruction as well
[02:00] <Burgundavia> nope, that isn't it
[02:00] <Burgundavia> it most resembles colorado potato beetle, but I didn't see any egg layings
[02:01] <nixternal> heh, you are reading good info if you looked for eggs..also look for poop...that will infer some sort of beetle or worm as well
[02:01] <nixternal> none of the leaves have curled over have they?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> nope, not that
[02:01] <Burgundavia> the internet is a wonderful place to learn about these things, because you can look for images
[02:02] <nixternal> hehe ya
[02:02] <Burgundavia> it very clearly resembles this Search
[02:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1561
[02:02] <Burgundavia> or not
[02:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/CPB-HarmBIG.jpg
[02:02] <Burgundavia> that
[02:02] <nixternal> lol
[02:03] <Burgundavia> http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/BH03May01CPBeggsBIG.jpg <-- but I not seeing this
[02:03] <Burgundavia> or this http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/BH-CPBegg5_26_01.jpg
[02:08] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[02:08] <Madpilot> hi
[02:09] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot
[02:16] <nixternal> Burgundavia: http://www.attra.org/images/coloradopotato/cpb_beetles.jpg
[02:16] <nixternal>
[02:16] <Burgundavia> trust you to find the one of the beetle having sex
[02:16] <nixternal> rofl
[02:16] <Burgundavia> no, haven't seen any of them
[02:17] <nixternal> everything on those beetles make it sound like they feed on the terminal portions..how ever the larvae eat everything
[02:17] <nixternal> the reason you may not see the eggs, is because the issue is past that stage
[02:18] <nixternal> there might actually be larvae doing the damage now
[02:18] <nixternal> but then again..it may not be an insect that is paticular to potatoes as well
[02:19] <nixternal> so that would be anything like grasshoppers, caterpillars, beetles, grubs, and bugs of that nature
[02:20] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:20] <Burgundavia> ok, this ted stevens "tube" thingy is pretty fun
[02:20] <nixternal> lol
[02:20] <nixternal> guess
[02:21] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I was talking about my potatoes and the bug that appears to be eating the leaves
[02:21] <Madpilot> ah
[02:21] <Madpilot> you're becoming terribly domesticated, Burgundavia
[02:21] <Madpilot> unless you're going to be home-distilling vodka out of those potatoes, of course!
[02:21] <Burgundavia> one cannot be domesticated and be single
[02:22] <Burgundavia> bah, vodka
[02:22] <mpt> mmmmmm, bugs
[02:23] <nixternal> mmmm, tequila
[02:23] <nixternal> cabo wabo tequila
[02:24] <Burgundavia> not warm enough to agave here
[02:24] <nixternal> thats why i am moving to mexico
[02:24] <nixternal> cabo here i come
[02:25] <nixternal> or aranjas where all the agave fields are
[02:26] <Burgundavia> http://frem.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/internet.JPG
[02:26] <LaserJock> uggh, I want to move somewhere cooler
[02:26] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: lol
[02:27] <Burgundavia> cooler as in lower temp or cooler as in less sucky?
[02:27] <LaserJock> both
[02:28] <Burgundavia> ok, there are some good pithy comments in rebuttal to this whole ted stevens debate
[02:28] <LaserJock> perhaps somewhere in Colorado
[02:28] <LaserJock> ted stevens?
[02:28] <Burgundavia> senator from alaska
[02:28] <Burgundavia> his grand daughter bought him an ipod and he had a change of heart about fair use
[02:29] <LaserJock> ha
[02:29] <Burgundavia> http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=9695 <-- read the last two comments
[02:29] <crimsun> oh man, I remember that
[02:29] <crimsun> TUBES
[02:29] <crimsun> it's all tubes for your personal internets
[02:31] <LaserJock> jeeze, you'd think his aides would keep him from sounding so dumb
[02:31] <LaserJock> that's why they pay them the big bucks
[02:32] <Burgundavia> bah, term limits
[02:32] <Burgundavia> we need term limits
[02:32] <Burgundavia> no more than 8 years
[02:32] <mpt> Push them through the tubes faster?
[02:33] <Burgundavia> heh
[02:33] <mpt> That wouldn't change their composition...
[02:33] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: +1
[02:33] <Burgundavia> if you make them stay out of off for at least 8 years, we might have new blood
[02:34] <mpt> ...just their age
[02:34] <mpt> Exhibit A: the POTUS
[02:34] <mpt> aaaaaanyway
[02:34] <Burgundavia> POTUS is a vagarity
[02:34] <Burgundavia> a blip
[02:39] <LaserJock> I think the presidency is a bit different than the legislature, I can't really imagine a President being able to stay in office more than probably 4 terms
[02:39] <LaserJock> but in the legislator you could do like 60 years
[02:40] <LaserJock> that seems a bit long IMO
[02:40] <Burgundavia> whats his name, the crazy 100 year old senator, thurman or something
[02:40] <Burgundavia> he was in office 60 years
[02:40] <LaserJock> yep
[02:40] <mpt> Strom Thurmond
[02:40] <nixternal> ol' strom
[02:40] <nixternal> ya
[02:40] <nixternal> hehe
[02:41] <mpt> Burgundavia, have you come across a bugtracker for Gramps?
[02:41] <mpt> (the program, I mean, not the senator)
[02:41] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:41] <mpt> I don't see one linked from the Web site
[02:42] <Burgundavia> gramps appears to use sourceforge
[02:43] <Burgundavia> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=385137&group_id=25770&func=browse
[02:44] <Burgundavia> ok, more random stupidity http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/14/911.misuse.ap/index.html
[02:45] <mpt> thanks Burgundavia
[02:45] <Burgundavia> no worries
[02:46] <mpt> This will give me an excuse to remind myself how Sourceforge's bugtracker's UI works
[02:47] <mpt> Burgundavia, I work on Launchpad
[02:47] <crimsun> he's a glutton for punishment!
[02:48] <crimsun> let's throw bugzilla back into the mix, shall we?
[02:48] <Burgundavia> "I would rather have my fingers gnawed by rabid chimpmunks than use Launchpad some days"
[02:48] <mpt> *sigh*
[02:48] <mpt> Bugzilla has abused developers into being accustomed to horrid bugtrackers
[02:48] <crimsun> quite unfortunately
[02:49] <Burgundavia> gnome bugzilla has a few nice features
[02:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I've never used bugzilla
[02:49] <Burgundavia> bkor said he has been getting lost of pushback on getting those changes into upstream bugzilla
[02:49] <LaserJock> oh I did file a bug once on gnome's bugzilla
[02:49] <mpt> Burgundavia, really? b.g.o is relatively brilliant
[02:50] <Burgundavia> mpt: no idea why. There was a great deal of sighing when we learned of that
[02:50] <Burgundavia> mozilla as a whole seems to be very hostile to new ideas and people
[02:50] <crimsun> I'm very bummed that my first exposure to bugzilla is via red hat's
[02:51] <Burgundavia> have you seen that ridiculous rpm bug?
[02:52] <crimsun> I haven't
[02:52] <LaserJock> hehe, I thought you mean rpm ;-)
[02:52] <LaserJock> meant
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm, so do you guys have any suggestions about the best way to say that I derived parts of the PG from Debian docs?
[02:57] <crimsun> what's wrong with saying basically that?
[02:58] <crimsun> Portions of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide are derived from the Debian New Maintainer's Guide and from the Debian Policy Manual.
[02:58] <crimsun> I think that covers what you want, no?
[02:58] <LaserJock> yes
[02:59] <LaserJock> I'm wondering though if perhaps the GPL wants more from me
[02:59] <crimsun> no
[02:59] <LaserJock> tbh, I don't quite follow the GPL when it comes to derivatives
[02:59] <crimsun> by using "derived from" and then stating explicitly from what, you've covered it.
[03:00] <LaserJock> k
[03:01] <Burgundavia> crimsun: this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185
[03:01] <LaserJock> OT: is irc.gnome.org the same as irc.gimp.org
[03:02] <Ubugtu> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 119185 in rpm "if rpm exits in mid-transaction, the RPM data base can be left in an inconsistent state" [Normal,Closed: upstream]
[03:02] <mpt_> LaserJock, yes
[03:02] <LaserJock> :(
[03:02] <mpt_> "We have located 1 accounts"
[03:02] <mpt_> Go Sourceforge, you illiterate, you
[03:04] <crimsun> Burgundavia: that is the best soap opera I've read in a while
[03:09] <Burgundavia> crimsun: utterly ridiculous, eh?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> mpt_: I would love a search in lp for bugs that have changed state more than X number of times (to see state warring like that)
[03:11] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, interesting bug report. Why do people with room-temp.  Linux is a system for experts only. If you make a mistake you deserve to have your database corrupted."...
[03:15] <Madpilot> actually, scratch that. The post that came from is actually finely crafted sarcasm :)
[03:16] <mpt_> heehee
[03:16] <mpt_> I don't believe that duke.edu page, it has an invalid certificate
[03:21] <crimsun> I admit my sides hurt from laughing
[03:26] <LaserJock> crap, there are 2 projects named sabayon
[03:26] <LaserJock> and I managed to find the IRC channel of the one I didn't want
[03:26] <LaserJock> I must have looked like an idiot
[03:26] <LaserJock> haha
[03:27] <Burgundavia> there is a distro called sabayon
[03:28] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, that's who I was talking to about profile editing ;-)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:29] <Burgundavia> I am off, back later
[03:29] <LaserJock> I tried to find the sabayon channel on irc.gnome.org
[03:29] <LaserJock> but nobody was home
[03:30] <nixternal> whee
[03:31] <nixternal> SFW is gonna be funnnnnnn
[03:31] <jjesse> yeah?
[03:31] <nixternal> well hello there
[03:32] <nixternal> im going through the svn now looking at it..i thought there was a little bit there
[03:32] <nixternal> nothing but empty files and a ToC
[03:32] <jjesse> there was at one time an old file that i deleted because it was pretty pathetic
[03:32] <jjesse> in kubuntu/switching/
[03:33] <nixternal> i was thinking...since there are 3 main version of MS Office people use, 2000, XP, and 2003 right now..that would make it a real pain as there are some signifigant differences there
[03:33] <jjesse> well 2003 is just for servers
[03:34] <nixternal> however, i was thinking about grabbing one of those "Office for Dummies" books as that covers the basics basics
[03:34] <nixternal> office 2003 jjesse..not windows
[03:34] <jjesse> oh yeah
[03:34] <nixternal> and take the information that comes in one of those books, and show the OOo or KO counterpart
[03:34] <nixternal> however, i think KO is unnecessary, as it doesn't even have Office support really
[03:35] <jjesse> should just focus on default installed applications
[03:35] <nixternal> ya, since it is switching from windows the defaulte apps are good
[03:36] <nixternal> that would also be good documentation at a later date, either via docbooks, or wiki..a switching from MS Office
[03:38] <nixternal> it would be nice to have "Windows Basics | Office Basics | Internet Basics | Communications Basics (Email & Chat) | Multimedia Basics | Windows Admin"
[03:38] <nixternal> take those and do the Ubuntu style of them
[03:38] <jjesse> i think that's streaching things
[03:39] <jjesse> making the SFW guide bigger then it needs to be
[03:39] <nixternal> ok
[03:40] <nixternal> is this going to entail stuff like "start menu, explorer, control panel, my documents, my computer, network neighborhood, maybe outlook express & internet explorer, stuff like that?
[03:40] <jjesse> i think so
[03:41] <jjesse> hmmm need to take dog out, i'll be back later i think
[03:41] <nixternal> hehe k
[03:41] <Riddell> jjesse: should I be looking at packaging the edgy docs next week?
[03:41] <Riddell> mostly for the sake of fixing the packaging rather than having anything near final docs
[03:42] <nixternal> he must of already grabbed the dog
[03:42] <nixternal> or the dog grabbed him
[04:16] <mpt_> The sourceforge tracker is quite pleasant for reporting bugs
[05:41] <robotgeek> has anybody else come aboard for Kubuntu documentation?
[05:51] <Madpilot> robotgeek, don't think so. -doc has been pretty quiet lately
[05:57] <nixternal> popeye the movie is coming on in 30 minutes..i think im crawling in bed and watchin' it
[06:27] <Madpilot> hi robitaille
[06:28] <robitaille> Hi Madpilot
[06:40] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[06:43] <robotgeek> hey nixternal
[06:44] <robotgeek> do you know what's status of Kubuntu docs? nixternal
[06:44] <nixternal> can't say that i do
[06:46] <Laser_away> they're just there :-)
[06:52] <robotgeek> okay
[06:54] <nixternal> was hopin' jjesse was gonna fill us in, but i know he has been busy with business travel this week
[06:55] <nixternal> if there is anything i can do to help, anything needs some quick editing or what not...i am more then willing to do so
[06:57] <robotgeek> i need to migrate docs to edgy :)
[06:58] <nixternal> fun stuff
[06:58] <nixternal> what has to be done on this end in order to get them ready for you to migrate?
[07:00] <robotgeek> got to see if anything is changed
[07:03] <nixternal> ya, then jjesse is going to be the man for that one
[07:08] <robotgeek> yup. i probably need about a week or so before i can start working on it
[07:14] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hey sorry was afk for a while, talking to my mom =)
[11:12] <mdke_> Laser_away: pong
[11:14] <mdke_> Riddell: speaking of kubuntu-docs packaging, did you upload the dapper-update?
[11:17] <Riddell> mdke_: don't think so
[11:17] <Riddell> mdke_: well, no.  what should I upload?
[11:18] <mdke_> Riddell: I added lots of translation updates to the repo and iirc I updated the changelog too, should be ok just for you to give it a quick once over and upload
[11:18] <mdke_> it's at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper
[11:19] <Riddell> mdke_: ok, there's an update of jjesse's chapter from the book that should go in too
[11:20] <mdke_> Riddell: looks like you uploaded it actually
[11:20] <mdke_> yeah -11
[11:21] <mdke_> sorry, should have checked
[11:22] <mdke_> hmm
[11:23] <mdke_> Riddell: actually, you didn't upload it, there is just an upload by you with the same version number (-11) that wasn't merged into our repo. My changes aren't in the package that is in the archive
[04:24] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:24] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:25] <nixternal> well hello there
[04:25] <jsgotangco> what's up dude
[04:26] <nixternal> not a whole lot..gonna be about 100 degrees today
[04:27] <jsgotangco> brrrrrrrrrrrrr
[04:27] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:27] <jsgotangco> ahh the scent of summer..when its already typhoon season here
[04:30] <nixternal> hehe
[04:30] <nixternal> me too
[04:30] <jsgotangco> sundays can be really boring
[04:31] <jsgotangco> im thinking of installing drupal for the loco site but i dunno the db password and the other loco contacts using it ain't online
[04:31] <nixternal> ahh
[04:31] <jsgotangco> we have this *HUGE ASS* server just sitting
[04:32] <jsgotangco> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:32] <jsgotangco> /dev/hda2             107G  8.6G   93G   9% /
[04:32] <jsgotangco> AFAIK only 5 locoteams using it
[04:32] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:34] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:37] <jsgotangco> hmm i will probably just play some videogames in my xbox
[04:39] <nixternal> hehe
[05:16] <robotgeek> nixternal: btw, i wont be able to attend this weeks meeting (again)
[05:16] <nixternal> which meeting?
[05:17] <robotgeek> heh, check email
[05:17] <nixternal> oh..the 21st?
[05:17] <nixternal> heh, there are a bunch of meetings for me this week
[05:17] <robotgeek> i will be on a flight, and be really busy. the week after that, things should have settled down
[05:17] <nixternal> fun stuff there
[05:18] <robotgeek> there should not be too much stuff to do with the Desktop Guide this time, i guess
[05:19] <nixternal> you would think the desktop guide would almost have to wait for for a release or 2, so you can actually document the changes to the desktop and what not
[05:20] <nixternal> the kubuntu desktop guide shouldn't change much at all...as it will be kde 3.5.3 which doesn't have many differences, just improvements really
[05:20] <robotgeek> yup. it will be adding some more polish, bugfixes etc
[05:20] <nixternal> ya
[05:21] <nixternal> i haven't looked..is there some doc bugs that need fixing...type of fixing i can do...i shall check
[05:21] <robotgeek> nixternal: essentially looking through and seeing if we can improve a few things.
[05:22] <nixternal> ya, which there is always a way to improve
[05:30] <nixternal> heh, i just realised that i am a wiki member, not a doc member...shows you how much i pay attention to the list of teams on the launchpad
[05:30] <nixternal> 13,517 bugs to fix
[05:30] <nixternal> lets go!!!
[05:33] <nixternal> 13,516
[05:35] <robotgeek> nixternal: :)
[05:35] <robotgeek> alrite, i gotta get back to work. later
[08:22] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[08:22] <jjesse> hello
[08:23] <nixternal> keepin' busy are ya?>
[08:23] <jjesse> every day :)
[08:23] <nixternal> hehe
[08:23] <nixternal> people havin' been asking about kubuntu docs..and if they will be ready for mergin
[08:23] <nixternal> g
[08:24] <jjesse> ummm there have been no updates since dapper really so nothing to merge
[08:24] <nixternal> that is what i kind of figured, but wasn't 100% positive
[08:25] <nixternal> i have been going through the kubuntu documentation, looking for typo's, and stuff like that..haven't found anything out of the ordinary that would warrant changes
[08:25] <jjesse> well the releasenotes have to be completly re-written which i'm working today on
[08:25] <nixternal> if i find something, should i create a bug, and then possibly attempt to make a fix, create the diff, and post it to the bug or email it to ya?
[08:25] <jjesse> after i finish reading the official copy of the book
[08:26] <nixternal> ok
[08:26] <nixternal> "official copy" of what book?   i want one
[08:26] <jjesse> the official ubuntu book
[08:26] <nixternal> hehe
[08:27] <jjesse> sending it to the printer on monday
[08:27] <nixternal> i can't wait
[08:27] <nixternal> add that to the list of books to buy
[08:48] <Newb> hey...can someone tell me how the hell to navigate the channels on this server?  I"ve never seen one this big...
[08:49] <nixternal>  /j #channel
[08:49] <nixternal> that will get you to join a channel
[08:49] <Newb> ya...i know that...but...
[08:49] <Newb> how do you find the right channell?
[08:49] <Newb> lol
[08:49] <Newb> theres so many
[08:49] <Newb> thousands, looks like
[08:49] <nixternal> what are you looking for?
[08:49] <nixternal> help?
[08:49] <Newb> php
[08:49] <Newb> and lots of it
[08:49] <nixternal> #php
[08:49] <Newb> friggin sweet.  is there a CMS topic room as well?
[08:50] <nixternal> #cms
[08:50] <Newb> what's this room?
[08:50] <nixternal> #ubuntu-doc
[08:51] <Newb> lol i had gathered as much
[08:51] <Newb> but
[08:51] <nixternal> ubuntu documentation project
[08:51] <nixternal> team channel
[08:51] <Newb> looks like tech-jargon too specific for a newb
[08:51] <Newb> ubuntu
[08:51] <nixternal> ubuntu linux
[08:51] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <Newb> is that a new release?
[08:51] <nixternal> 2 years old
[08:51] <nixternal> debian based
[08:51] <nixternal> #1 on distro charts
[08:51] <Newb> whoa
[08:52] <nixternal> currently the most popular linux os out there
[08:52] <nixternal> and by far my favorite of course
[08:52] <Newb> i thought red hat was?
[08:52] <Newb> lol
[08:52] <nixternal> hrm
[08:52] <Newb> or maybe debian
[08:52] <dsas> redhat probably is, amongst people that pay for it. :)
[08:52] <Newb> good point
[08:52] <nixternal> http://distrowatch.com/
[08:53] <nixternal> we are free..free as in freedom, as well as free as in beer
[08:53] <Newb> damn.  how does devil-linux not get the shit sued out of them?  isn't it a violation of the GNU license to mimic debian so closely?
[08:53] <Newb> well, you can't beat free beer
[08:53] <Newb> so..
[08:53] <Newb> if I buy ubuntu....I get...
[08:53] <Newb> free beer?
[08:54] <Newb> lmao
[08:54] <nixternal> if you buy ubuntu, you got ripped off
[08:54] <Newb> oh.
[08:54] <Newb> so
[08:54] <nixternal> since they will ship you CD's for free
[08:54] <Newb> where does the free beer kick in?
[08:54] <nixternal> it is a "GNU/Linux" slogan from many years ago
[08:54] <Newb> j/k; are you guys the developers?
[08:54] <nixternal> the one thing Richard Stallman said that made since
[08:55] <nixternal> some in here are developers, but this isn't a developers channel
[08:55] <Newb> oh
[08:55] <Newb> so
[08:55] <Newb> you guys just talk about....the release?
[08:55] <Newb> lke...
[08:55] <nixternal> dsas, forgot about the dvd
[08:55] <Newb> 'this feature is cool'
[08:55] <Newb> or
[08:55] <Newb> 'this feature isn't cool, i hope they change that'
[08:55] <nixternal> no, we write the documentation you see
[08:55] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com
[08:55] <nixternal> as well as maintain the wiki's
[08:56] <Newb> ohh
[08:56] <Newb> neat.  so maybe you could help me find a good CMS?
[08:56] <Newb> or uh
[08:56] <nixternal> when you use "Help" and see all that text, this team was involved with it in some form
[08:56] <Newb> #cms is what thats for
[08:56] <Newb> right
[08:56] <nixternal> yup
[08:56] <Newb> sorry im used to a very. very. small server with 12 users total
[08:56] <Newb> and two channels.  one i dont even have access to
[08:57] <nixternal> heh, not here..loaded with channels
[08:57] <nixternal> worldwide here
[09:16] <Newb> worldwide??
[09:17] <Newb> jesus
[09:44] <nixternal> wb
[09:45] <Caterpillar_Memb> hello, can anyone tell me where to go when i've been improperly banned from a room?  I asked for help with my site and got banned.  The ops in #php are extremely ignorant.
[09:45] <Caterpillar_Memb> is there a room for that? lol
[09:45] <Caterpillar_Memb> was extremely inappropriate
[09:46] <nixternal> you got banned for a reason im sure...however, this isn't a channel to ask for help in, unless of course you are having issues with documentation or website issues
[09:46] <nixternal> thanks
[09:46] <Caterpillar_Memb> well, he told me to stop spamming, and I was like...dude...I'm not spamming, I'm just asking for help with php...this is #php
[09:47] <Caterpillar_Memb> but...i mean...where to i go for help?
[09:47] <nixternal> help for what?
[09:47] <Caterpillar_Memb> help with removing improper bans?
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> it says 'you can always message a staffer'
[09:48] <nixternal> there is no place to go for a channel ban
[09:48] <crimsun> sorry, but we don't have any control over #php
[09:48] <nixternal> then message a staffer
[09:48] <nixternal> and yes, what crimsun just said
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> ! that's what I'm trying to do!
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> lol
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> can you please help?
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> where do I go?
[09:49] <Caterpillar_Memb> is there a channel?
[09:49] <Caterpillar_Memb> staffer.
[09:49] <crimsun> /stats p
[09:49] <crimsun> type that. There's at least one who's active.
[09:50] <nixternal> this channel is logged for documentation purposes, and used to confer documentation topics, you are currently spamming this channel with stuff not related to Ubuntu documentation. If you decide to stay, keep the chatter on-topic, otherwise please feel free to check out #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:50] <nixternal> thank you
[09:51] <Caterpillar_Memb> oh, jesus man.  I was asking innocent questions, and you were being intentionally vague.  Please.  Thanks for the help, anyway, it's been very helpful.
[09:52] <Laser_away> mdke_: I was just wondering about the newletter and where mgalvin was, but Riddell already took care of it
[09:53] <nixternal> Laser_away: mgalvin has been very busy, so ya Riddell took care of it last night...mgalvin stated previously we could help get it out..so i started #7 last night
[09:55] <Laser_away> nixternal: yeah, but my feeling is that these newsletters need to really be on time and consistent
[09:55] <Laser_away> but I think everybody knows that
[09:55] <nixternal> they should have been, but i am kind of at fault because i said i could help, and didn't with the last one
[09:56] <Laser_away> well, that's where it seemsed to be a tad bit of a lack of communication there
[09:57] <nixternal> ya there was, as i had to refer back to the log file in order to find that
[09:57] <nixternal> i believe i offered to help him and mdz get it out
[09:58] <nixternal> i will try to stay up to date with it, and i will mark it so i know not to forget about it..but i believe we need some other's to help contribute stories/news
[09:59] <Laser_away> I would think better use of the mailing list would help
[09:59] <Laser_away> it's not easy to coordinate these tasks on IRC
[10:01] <nixternal> oh, i agree 100% with you on that
[10:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: nixternal at CaboWabo ?
[10:05] <nixternal> shhh
[10:05] <nixternal> ;
[10:05] <nixternal> i know what you are referrring to
[10:06] <nixternal> dch -i grabs my hostfile info
[10:06] <LaserJock> you can set DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL in ~/.bashrc
[10:07] <nixternal> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:07] <nixternal> wth is wrong with me
[10:07] <nixternal> wrong winder
[10:07] <LaserJock> I think you need ""s
[10:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: what were you trying to do with lyx?
[10:11] <nixternal> woohoo
[10:11] <nixternal> who knows what i was trying to do...i was following instructions, and accidentally uploaded all 3 source.changes
[10:11] <nixternal> export<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:12] <nixternal> source ~/.bashrc
[10:12] <LaserJock> lol
[10:12] <nixternal> that fixed it..thank you!!!
[10:12] <LaserJock> no problemo
[10:12] <LaserJock> Mr. CaboWabo
[10:13] <nixternal> hehe
[10:14] <nixternal> http://www.cabowabo.com & http://www.redrocker.com
[10:14] <nixternal>


[07:02] <ara> morning!
[07:09] <grantbow> It's always morning somewhere!  Hi ara!
[07:10] <ara> hey grantbow, how are you doing?
[07:10] <ara> how was UGJ @ Berkley?
[07:10] <grantbow> Went very well, thanks!  Jono and pleia2 blogged about it.  I need to fire up my blog still.
[07:11] <grantbow> I'm getting ready for bed still as it's only just after 11 PM here, lol.
[07:11] <ara> grantbow, :)
[07:11] <ara> grantbow, are you coming to uds this time?
[07:11] <grantbow> not sure yet
[07:12] <grantbow> I can't drive and sponsor myself this time, lol.
[07:30] <grantbow> ara, how are things going for you?
[07:31] <grantbow> I already updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/LoCos for beta2
[07:31] <ara> grantbow, nice :)
[07:31] <ara> grantbow, have you applied for sponsorship?
[07:31] <grantbow> yes, I think choices will be announced this week.
[07:32] <ara> grantbow, I would love to see you there :) good luck :)
[07:33] <ara> grantbow, have you seen the projects (and blueprints) of the Italian loco team to be discussed at uds?
[07:33] <grantbow> not yet, thanks for the hint :-)
[07:35]  * grantbow looks
[07:35] <ara> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-m-laptop-testing
[07:35] <ara> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-m-loco-testing
[07:37] <grantbow> not listed on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m yet - are those only for accepted ones or something?
[07:39] <grantbow> I see in my scollback the problems jcastro was having submitting test data - have you heard if that's been fixed yet?
[07:57] <ara> grantbow, I will accept them today
[07:57] <ara> grantbow, about the submitting issue, I don't know :(
[11:19] <davmor2> morning all
[11:39] <ara> morning davmor2
[12:51] <ara> mvo, one question, the pop up window that appears when you install a package and it requires running actions, is it part of update manager?
[12:51] <ara> the one that says "Run this action now"
[12:51] <mvo> ara: that is part of update-notifier, its a interactive upgrade hook
[12:52] <mvo> ara: why? is there something wrong with that?
[12:52] <ara> mvo, yes, I installed apt-file, and it says that you can create the cache now, when I click on "Run this action now" I get:
[12:53] <ara> There was an error creating the child process for this terminal
[12:53] <ara> :\
[12:53] <ara> nothing else
[12:53] <mvo> oh
[12:55] <mvo> ara: odd, I just tried that and it works, I will try in a clean VM next
[13:00] <ara> mvo, ok
[13:00]  * ara -> lunch
[14:05] <davmor2> morning fader_ cr3
[14:05] <cr3> davmor2: hey dude
[14:05] <fader_> davmor2: Howdy
[14:06] <cr3> fader_: do you happen to know what virtual box might do differently than kvm? I've noticed that stuff under /sys isn't quite the same
[14:06] <fader_> cr3: Is this in relation to the checkbox bug about vbox not providing all the info you need?
[14:07] <fader_> Unfortunately I don't know anything about vbox or kvm internals :/
[14:07] <cr3> fader_: well, that bug initiated the question about whether we should add vbox to the certification network in addition to the existing kvm instances
[14:09] <fader_> cr3: File a bug against virtualbox :)
[14:43] <jcastro> grantbow: someone is looking at fixing it
[16:21] <sbeattie> cr3: the the virtual hardware that they present to the guest is different.
[16:22] <sbeattie> cr3: but yes, I'd like to see us include virtualbox in the certification network rotation, as it's essentailly another (commonly used) hardware platform.
[16:23] <sbeattie> and we should do the same for kvm, if we don't already.
[16:25] <cr3> sbeattie: we do kvm already
[16:26] <cr3> sbeattie: but noted regarding virtualbox
[16:43] <ara> mvo, hey, can you have a quick look to bug 551782
[16:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 551782 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Not able to dist-upgrade, "calculating changes" can't solve dependencies and fail (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551782
[17:53] <plars> anyone running une on x86 that could confirm something for me?
[17:55] <davmor2> plars: what up dude?
[17:56] <plars> davmor2: hi
[17:56] <plars> davmor2: enabling accessibility, I can't login after
[17:57] <plars> davmor2: if it breaks you, I have an easy fix though
[17:57] <davmor2> hang on a second then
[17:57] <plars> davmor2: bug #551860
[17:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 551860 in metacity (Ubuntu) "Crash on login with accessibility enabled (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551860
[18:01] <davmor2> plars: Yeap happens here to it just loops back around to login
[18:01] <plars> davmor2: ok, good, so not specific to my arch.  Thanks!
[18:03] <davmor2> added a note to the bug
[18:56] <elopio> hello there.
[18:59] <davmor2> elopio: hello
[19:06] <elopio> hello davmor2.
[19:06] <elopio> I'm executing laptop tests on ubuntu 10.04 beta 1
[19:06] <elopio> but where it says suspend in http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Plans/LaptopTesting
[19:06] <elopio> shouldn't it be sleep?
[19:08] <davmor2> elopio: yes probably these were written before the changes to that dialogue
[19:17] <elopio> ok. And do you know where is the option to install only free software?
[19:19] <davmor2> elopio: one sec I'll find out for you
[19:29] <elopio> thanks davmor2
[20:45] <elopio> I've just aptitude-upgraded my 10.04 and now the menu shows suspend instead of sleep.


[01:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:40] <sysRPL> hello
[03:40] <sysRPL> is anyone awake?
[09:15] <Walex> where?
[21:51] <gry> !update


[00:36] <Name141> Is "Ubuntu Classic" going to be dropped in next release ?
[00:36] <Chotaz> yeah
[00:36] <Chotaz> --'
[00:36] <Name141> Will we still be able to install xfce and all that ourself ?
[00:37] <rww> Name141: yup
[00:37] <Name141> okie dokey.
[03:40] <knight_> can someone help me play a wmv movie file in ubuntu
[04:36] <myrmidette> I have a question about unity, is this the place to ask it?
[04:36] <rww> myrmidette: Which version of Ubuntu are you using?
[04:36] <myrmidette> 10.04
[04:37] <myrmidette> it's about unity development and is sort of offtopic
[04:37] <rww> myrmidette: try #ayatana
[04:37] <myrmidette> ty
[05:13] <mrdeb> what improvements will 1110 bring
[08:28] <zniavre> hello using oneiric i can't open gnome-tweak-tools thats right ?
[08:32] <nit-wit> zniavre, for your eading pleasure, notice the need for gnome3    http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1704-installing-gnome-tweak-tool-on-natty
[08:32] <nit-wit> *reading
[11:32] <kalon33> topic forgot to say that things are already broken because of gnome 3 entry in archive ^^
[17:08] <pozic> How can I disable connecting to a wireless connection when I already have a wired connection>
[17:09] <pozic> Does it even work? I.e., can you download/upload faster with two connections?
[17:15] <charlie-tca> pozic: click network manager, disconnect under wireless
[17:15] <charlie-tca> it should stay off when you until you tell it to connect again
[17:16] <charlie-tca> Sometimes I have to tell it two times to get it to stay off
[17:17] <pozic> charlie-tca: that is remembered across reboots?
[17:18] <charlie-tca> seems to be.
[19:56] <butter_fs> never an mvo when you need one
[22:16] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Good evening, BUGabundo
[22:32] <arand> upgrade time \o/
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I got two more weeks
[22:37] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:37] <BUGabundo> arand: yeah, finally nothing hanging back
[22:37] <BUGabundo> just no gtk themes
[22:37] <BUGabundo> so it looks awful
[22:38] <arand> Only 91 pkgs, tut tut
[22:39] <BUGabundo> Current status: 66 updates [-11].
[22:39] <BUGabundo> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome-icon-theme:
[22:39] <BUGabundo>  gnome-icon-theme depends on libgtk-3-bin; however:
[22:39] <BUGabundo>   Package libgtk-3-bin is not installed.
[22:39] <BUGabundo> dpkg: error processing gnome-icon-theme (--configure):
[22:39] <BUGabundo>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[22:42] <arand> Heh, when you actually look for it, there's loads of packages using epochs.. messy ^__^