[00:22] <_Techie_> hatake_kakashi, i believe it was the 2.0 being detected as 1.1 bug
[00:22] <_Techie_> i disabled 2.0 in the bios and it works perfectly now
[01:40] <MobiusJedi> xubuntu reset my desktop settings! why?
[02:48] <dbdii407> There was a development server that xUbuntu has with all the wallpapers, and stuff. Anyone have that link?
[02:55] <JackVermicelli> Hiyas. Could someone point me to instructions for getting fullscreen games to display on only one screen or the other, under Twinview?
[04:23] <dbdii407> I'm attempting to find the Murrina Storm Cloud GTK. The only place I remember finding it was that development server.  Will formatting the partition that I installed xubuntu to remove grub as well?
[06:09] <_Techie_> are you removing it from a dualboot system?
[06:09] <GoddamnmaddoG> yeah.
[06:09] <_Techie_> whats the other operating system thats installed?
[06:09] <GoddamnmaddoG> xp.
[06:10] <_Techie_> do you have the cd?
[06:10] <GoddamnmaddoG> for xp or for xub?
[06:10] <_Techie_> xp
[06:10] <GoddamnmaddoG> No. Eeepc preinstall bs.
[06:10] <_Techie_> oh
[06:10] <_Techie_> hrmm
[06:11] <GoddamnmaddoG> no cd drive either :S
[06:11] <_Techie_> this makes things awkward
[06:11] <GoddamnmaddoG> yeah. I installed xub from usb.
[06:11] <_Techie_> its entirely possible to remove xub but heres the catch
[06:11] <GoddamnmaddoG> :S
[06:11] <_Techie_> you remove the partition, you remove grub
[06:12] <_Techie_> no grub = no bootloader
[06:12] <GoddamnmaddoG> aah.
[06:12] <_Techie_> no bootloader = no booting
[06:12] <GoddamnmaddoG> I need xp bootloader.
[06:12] <_Techie_> so what is needed
[06:12] <GoddamnmaddoG> I have an xp cd from another pc.
[06:12] <_Techie_> is to boot into a xp CD, and run the recovery console
[06:12] <GoddamnmaddoG> make a minimalist usb bootdisk?
[06:12] <_Techie_> once in recovery console run the command fixboot and fixmbr
[06:12] <_Techie_> hower
[06:12] <_Techie_> however*
[06:13] <_Techie_> if its a SP3 CD it doesnt include the recovery console so you will have to download an iso of the SP3 recovery console
[06:13] <GoddamnmaddoG> sp2. ;)
[06:13] <_Techie_> your in luck
[06:14] <_Techie_> find a way to boot that CD and youll be on your way
[06:14] <GoddamnmaddoG> k. so. usb bootdisk, fixboot and fixmbr
[06:14] <GoddamnmaddoG> from commandline i'm guessing?
[06:14] <_Techie_> yeah its a command line
[06:14] <GoddamnmaddoG> I'm not used to recovering systems.
[06:14] <GoddamnmaddoG> thanks heaps techie.
[06:15] <GoddamnmaddoG> saved my life(pc)
[06:15] <_Techie_> no problem, come back if you get stuck
[06:15] <GoddamnmaddoG> willdo.
[06:15] <_Techie_> i like his palindromic name
[06:30] <AppleSaq> ok _techie_
[06:30] <_Techie_> ~477b75e0@gateway/web/freenode/x-yrtjrifqfzkfgiwq
[06:35] <MobiusJedi> how do i edit keyboard shortcuts in xub?
[06:38] <embeddedRobot> hey guys, i've just compiled Xubuntu 9.10 for my BeagleBoard (arm-based), but the only user displayed is "Ubuntu System User".  I've searched around, but I'm not sure how to add another user, or login as root from here.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
[06:38] <_Techie_> does the system user have sudo?
[06:39] <embeddedRobot> well, that's the thing, i can't get to a terminal.  Im stuck at the login window
[06:39] <_Techie_> hrmm
[06:39] <_Techie_> so you ompiled it with no inbuilt account
[06:39] <_Techie_> compiled*
[06:40] <embeddedRobot> apparently so, forgive my n00bness, this is the first time i've compiled a linux distro
[06:40] <_Techie_> well youve gotten further than i have
[06:40] <embeddedRobot> i used rootstock to compile it
[06:40] <embeddedRobot> haha
[06:41] <embeddedRobot> it wasn't hard, but it took bout 30 min :p
[06:41] <_Techie_> although ive never had to compile a distro for anything
[06:41] <_Techie_> have you tried asking in #linux and #ubuntu
[06:41] <embeddedRobot> no i haven't
[06:41] <embeddedRobot> i'll check there next
[06:41] <_Techie_> ask for help adding users before you compile
[06:42] <embeddedRobot> oh well, thanks for the response though :)
[06:42] <_Techie_> or
[06:42] <_Techie_> im sure theres a way of getting into the system account
[06:43] <embeddedRobot> haha, yeah i was hoping, but it seems they keep a lid on the default root password
[06:43] <_Techie_> there is no root password
[06:43] <embeddedRobot> really....hmmm
[06:43] <_Techie_> root is disabled by default in all *buntu distributions
[06:43] <embeddedRobot> right
[06:43] <_Techie_> its activated by giving it a password
[06:44] <embeddedRobot> hmm....yeah sort of a catch 22 since i can't get to a terminal though...
[06:44] <_Techie_> in a normal *buntu distro you would do so by issuing sudo passwd root
[06:44] <embeddedRobot> right
[06:44] <_Techie_> what keys do you have?
[06:44] <embeddedRobot> sorry, what do you mean?
[06:44] <_Techie_> is it a standard keyboard?
[06:44] <embeddedRobot> yes
[06:44] <embeddedRobot> USA
[06:45] <_Techie_> ctrl + alt + F1
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> ok
[06:45] <_Techie_> should put you into a TTY terminal
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> yes
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> im there now
[06:45] <_Techie_> is it pre logged in?
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> no
[06:45] <_Techie_> i just had an idea
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> it's just a tty login
[06:45] <_Techie_> is it using grub to boot>?
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> what's that?
[06:45] <_Techie_> youll see
[06:45] <embeddedRobot> no it's a custom u-boot image
[06:46] <_Techie_> no, i mean the bootloader
[06:46] <_Techie_> !grub
[06:46] <embeddedRobot> that is the boot loader
[06:46] <_Techie_> is there anway to change the startup commands
[06:46] <embeddedRobot> i think so
[06:46] <embeddedRobot> ...
[06:47] <embeddedRobot> yes you can
[06:47] <_Techie_> suffix the startup command with single
[06:47] <_Techie_> that will tell it to boot into single user mode aka insta root
[06:47] <_Techie_> with luck
[06:47] <embeddedRobot> ok, i'll give that a shot
[06:48] <faron> Hello everybody.Hopefully all are well today.I was wondering-I am currently using Xubuntu 8.04 {Hardy Heron} & decided to give the new 3.6 version of Firefox a try. Well,I'm having some problems & I was wondering if anybody else was.It seems that I can no longer watch my favorite late night show  http://www.cbs.com/late_night/late_late_show/ {Craig Fergusons Late,Late Show}-{flash player 10.0 r45 not working} Anybody have any ideas
[06:48] <embeddedRobot> thanks a lot for the help!
[06:48] <embeddedRobot> I'll be back later with the results
[06:48] <_Techie_> huh
[06:49] <_Techie_> oh wait.... i confused myself, i gotta stop reading IRC too fast
[06:49] <_Techie_> faron, have you updated your flash player and mozilla firefox plugin?
[06:49] <MobiusJedi> I am far too UbNewbish to have ideas for helping you faron, other than. . . what Techie just said
[06:49] <faron> Gee techie-I usually read it too slow ! Ha,ha.
[06:50] <faron> updated ? Uh,no.I alredy have the latest version
[06:50] <_Techie_> i saw embeddedRobot's name and read you problem faron, so what i read was
[06:50] <_Techie_> hello heres my problem, thanks for the help, ill be back later
[06:52] <MobiusJedi> . . . would it be wrong if I did that later?
[06:53] <_Techie_> faron, sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:54] <faron> thanks for your reply anyway mobiusjedi
[06:54] <faron> ookay
[06:54] <_Techie_> if your flash palyer is out of date that will update it
[06:54] <_Techie_> and every other out of date package on your system
[06:54] <MobiusJedi> "hello here's my problem, thanks for the help, later!"
[06:54] <MobiusJedi> here's my problem though: in gnome i could edit shortcuts through a dialogue, but i can't find anything in xubuntu's menu to edit system keyboard shortcuts...
[06:54] <MobiusJedi> anyone point me in the right direction?
[06:56] <_Techie_> i cant exactly be much help with that, im a windows user with benefits and i use standard ubuntu as my secondary OS so i could tell you how to do it in gnome, but not in xfce4
[06:56] <faron> techie.....looks like all is well there
[06:57] <_Techie_> hrmm
[06:57] <_Techie_> just to make sure, sudo apt-get update then run sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:57] <_Techie_> just to make sure
[06:58] <faron> what I would like to do maybe is like uninstall all the plugins & extensions & start from scratch......maybe that would work.Do you know how to do that ?
[06:58] <faron> hmmmmm
[06:59] <_Techie_> umm, im thinking
[06:59] <_Techie_> other than usign apt to remove each plugin im at a blank
[07:01] <faron> techie could you explain to me how to do that "apt remove" thing ? ?
[07:01] <faron> sorry..........
[07:01] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get remove packagename
[07:01] <faron> I'm kinda new to this
[07:02] <faron> oh that's all ?
[07:02] <_Techie_> yeah
[07:02] <faron> now from what I understand....I should be able to remove all of those extensions &pluginbs all at once Am I right ?
[07:03] <_Techie_> no
[07:03] <_Techie_> you will have to do it one by one
[07:03] <faron> oh okay.............
[07:03] <_Techie_> as i cant think of a way to nuke em all at once
[07:04] <_Techie_> sudo apt-get remove *flash*
[07:04] <_Techie_> might do something
[07:04] <faron> aha ! let me ask you this...............
[07:05] <MobiusJedi> Oh, hey faron
[07:05] <MobiusJedi> mozilla has a page on what to copy to start from scratch
[07:05] <MobiusJedi> let me find the bookmark
[07:05] <faron> alright mobiusjedi !
[07:05] <faron> nevermind that last statement {I think}
[07:06] <faron> wait.......
[07:06] <_Techie_> ask anyway
[07:07] <faron> so after I remove {all that I want} I want to be sure to have like the latest versions of everything
[07:07] <_Techie_> re install it
[07:07] <MobiusJedi> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Recovering%20important%20data%20from%20an%20old%20profile#Your_important_data_and_their_files
[07:07] <_Techie_> if you apt-get install it then itl be the latest on the repository
[07:08] <faron> will using the terminal {sudo apt-get package} pull in the latest versions for my version 3.6 Firefox ?
[07:08] <faron> alright mobiusjedi ! thanks for ALL the help guys
[07:08] <_Techie_> it will pull the latest version thats on the repo's
[07:09] <faron> see now that's 1 thing thats confusing me techie...........
[07:09] <faron> it pulls in what I have in Synaptic package mgr right ?
[07:09] <faron> let me ask this.........
[07:10] <_Techie_> !ask
[07:11] <faron> apparently,I have version 3.50 of mplayerplug-in iinstalled for Firefox......I undestand that there is a version 3.555 of this how would I go about getting this ?
[07:11] <_Techie_> apt-get install it if its on the repo's
[07:11] <faron> sudo apt-get {packagename } ?
[07:11] <faron> ahhhhhhhhh
[07:12] <_Techie_> install {packagename}
[07:12] <_Techie_> apt-get install
[07:13] <faron> I {think} you've been  a great help techie.thank you very much.Now I think I'lll copy alll these instructions somewhere & get to work on this in the morning.Again....thank you very much
[07:13] <_Techie_> no problem
[07:14] <embeddedRobot> _Techie_: got it figured out, just had to edit the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file to reset the root password.  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[07:15] <_Techie_> no problem
[07:15] <embeddedRobot> (since the FS resides on a SD card, it wasn't to bad)
[07:15] <embeddedRobot> cool, well gnight all
[07:15] <faron> damn embeddedrobot.......that sounds confusing !
[07:16] <faron> how do yopu spell ...aye yi yi ! ?
[07:29] <MobiusJedi> ai ai ai
[07:29] <MobiusJedi> ? maybe
[07:29] <MobiusJedi> if monty python holds the answers, i will discover them
[07:44] <MobiusJedi> i need keystrokes for my workspaces!
[07:53] <MobiusJedi> I found them!
[07:53] <_Techie_> grats MobiusJedi
[11:12] <_Techie_> [AMSG] Goodnight Everyone
[11:14] <_Techie_> [AMSG] ill+
[11:14] <_Techie_> [AMSG] ill
[11:14] <_Techie_> [AMSG] ill be on tomorrow hopefuly
[11:14] <_Techie_> [AMSG]
[14:10] <dbdii407> Anyone actually alive today that can help?
[14:11] <Sysi> what's up
[14:12] <dbdii407> There's a development server (at the bottom of it somewhere it says 'No hotlinking' or something) that has wallpapers and such, does anyone still have that link?
[15:30] <orl> Salut
[15:31] <orl> J'ai un kernel panic juste après l'install (sur un Mac Intel avec ReFiT), et je n'arrive pas à voir dans quel sens m'orienter
[15:31] <orl> panic: early exception 0e rip 10:ffffffff8022a93 error 0 cr2 ffffffff5fc0f0
[15:34] <orl> Sorry, I thought I was on xubuntu-fr!
[16:39] <fuge> Hello
[16:39] <fuge> is it possible to install an older kernel with apt then the xubuntu 9.10's default?
[16:43] <Sysi> that doesn't sound reasonable
[16:55] <tontsa_> how can i edit the right click menu?
[17:01] <tontsa_> if it is even possible?
[17:03] <fuge> Sysi, if i boot 9.04 i have a working tv tuner, if i boot a 9.10 i havent. if i boot 9.04 and after 9.10 than it is working there too. yesterday somebody said that it is because of the driver module
[17:04] <Sysi> that sounds very odd
[17:11] <WierdAAR> Hello, what is the command for running a search in terminal?
[17:11] <fuge> find?
[17:11] <Sysi> find and locate
[17:13] <fuge> i thought that it is because of some configuration what i made, but when i removed it it was working than too. so it is simply because i boot the older os before. now i can watch tv but it isnt the best solution :)
[17:14] <fuge> and not i am the only one who using that trick
[17:33] <hannes|> short question which gtk theme uses xubuntu by default
[17:35] <dbdii407> It used to use MurrinaStormCloud or something close to that. No clue what it uses now
[17:35] <dbdii407> Which I'd love to get my hands on atm...
[17:36] <Sysi> i'd say albbatross
[17:36] <Sysi> -b
[17:37] <dbdii407> Which reminds me. Anyone know where I can download that?
[17:38] <hannes|> dbdii407, http://shimmerproject.org/hg/albatross
[17:38] <hannes|> but not sure
[17:38] <hannes|> just doing it right now
[17:39] <Sysi> http://shimmerproject.org/hg/albatross?f=5511eefebc45;file=releases/Albatross-1.0.0.tar.gz;style=raw
[17:40] <dbdii407> And this is for Murrina?
[17:40] <Sysi> no but default
[17:41] <dbdii407> Was looking for Murrina. Can't mount my CD atm
[17:42] <hannes|> thanks
[17:42] <hannes|> bye
[18:45] <gekko_> can somebody help me with an nvidia driver prob?
[18:47] <Sysi> what's up
[18:48] <gekko_> trying to install latest driver for nvidia on here..and its only showing up to 180
[18:52] <dbdii407> Oh wow. I'm gonna like the new xUbuntu website. :D
[18:52] <gekko_> are they changing xubuntus theme along with ubuntus?
[18:53] <Sysi> it'll also change propably but i think that not to same direction
[18:54] <dbdii407> what i'm looking at has less blue that the current website
[18:55] <tontsa_> does anyone know if its possible to hide the xubuntu panels behind a window
[18:57] <Sysi> press f11 or alt+f11
[18:58] <gekko_> not going to lie, i like xubuntu's splash WAY better than Ubuntu's
[18:59] <tontsa_> yes that works, but what i mean is, as i have made a AWN like dock with xfce panel, its on top of my firefox window, i could do that key combination always when i start firefox but it would be easier just to set the panel to be on top of desktop, but under open windows
[19:03] <Sysi> it shouldn't go over windows
[19:04] <Sysi> it sometimes happen when it's hiding automatically but stucks
[19:06] <tontsa_> hm, well, its not on autohide
[19:48] <mtrg> what's the best cd burner?
[19:48] <residentgrey> jp5
[19:48] <residentgrey> microwave
[19:49] <residentgrey> :D
[19:49] <mtrg> ha ha not funny
[19:49] <Sysi> i've used k3b
[19:49] <mtrg> i'm using xfburn but so far 5 CDs vailed burn and threw them in trash
[19:50] <mtrg> i have 20 CDs left, but I guess i need to be a little wise this time :D
[19:50] <mtrg> Sysi: does it use Qt?
[19:51] <mtrg> screenshots say "Y" :/ bad.
[19:52] <Sysi> it does, but it's working
[19:52] <Sysi> i never succeeded with brasero
[19:52] <residentgrey> oh?
[19:52] <residentgrey> if it's so phail why is it in there by default???
[19:53] <mtrg> welcome to linux
[19:53] <mtrg> i'm trying gnomebaker, i heat it's good
[19:53] <Sysi> i don't use exaile either..
[19:54] <mtrg> but ppl keep saying k3b is da best
[19:55] <mtrg> which is sad coz i hate anything Qt-based
[19:55] <residentgrey> any good suggestions on music players?
[19:56] <Sysi> what do you like?
[19:56] <residentgrey> ?
[19:56] <mtrg> Sysi: GTK based apps
[19:56] <Sysi> my favourite is rhythmbox
[19:56] <residentgrey> slim and sexy like my women lol
[19:56] <mtrg> you got excess women?
[19:56] <mtrg> *nerd alert*
[19:56] <residentgrey> all mine dammit
[19:57] <residentgrey> LOL
[19:57] <mtrg> but.. :/ ok
[19:57] <residentgrey> how do you change gtk and qt apps theme?
[19:57] <Sysi> women are ok, if they're surname is .jpeg
[19:57] <residentgrey> lol
[19:57] <Sysi> *their
[19:57] <residentgrey> worst: .tiff
[19:57] <Sysi> gtk theme goes with xubuntu theme
[19:57] <residentgrey> lol
[19:58] <mtrg> hmmmm women.. um
[19:59] <residentgrey> ok so qt is bad for system?
[19:59] <Sysi> there's nothing bad with qt
[19:59] <Sysi> exept kde-logic ocasionally :p
[19:59] <mtrg> Qt is the bloat
[20:00] <mtrg> problem is C++ are getting a message the wrong way
[20:00] <Sysi> as well as gnome-stuff
[20:00] <mtrg> C++ programmers*
[20:00] <mtrg> they keep doing too much C++ fancy stuff when it's not good
[20:01] <mtrg> thus i hate anything C++ based
[20:01] <Sysi> like gtk?
[20:01] <mtrg> gtk is C
[20:09] <mtrg> alright, C No.# 6.. with gnomebaker
[20:10] <saad_> Hey
[20:11] <residentgrey> sysi gtk looks more c based with use of structures mostly
[20:11] <residentgrey> unless that changed
[20:12] <mtrg> more C baased? I though it's 100% C?
[20:12]  * residentgrey hasn't touched that style of programming in a long time
[20:13] <residentgrey> i also have yet to see a completed compiled program come out of my computer yet
[20:13] <mtrg> residentgrey: any other linux disto u used beside noob ones like debian-based?
[20:14] <residentgrey> no I only have been messing with ubuntu for about a week or so
[20:14] <residentgrey> at least I know what sudo means ;)
[20:14] <saad_> I just installed xubuntu on my computer
[20:15] <saad_> And it's going really slow, like opening programs takes forever and minimizing is extremely slow.
[20:15] <mtrg> saad_: weird.. what r the specs?
[20:16] <saad_> mtrg, AMD athalon 1600+ 1.4ghz. 256mb ram
[20:16] <mtrg> weird
[20:17] <residentgrey> ram?
[20:17] <saad_> 256MB
[20:17] <residentgrey> meaning that could be the issue
[20:17] <residentgrey> the version
[20:17] <residentgrey> could be 1 not 2
[20:17] <residentgrey> acronym escaping me
[20:18] <_Techie_> anyone need help?
[20:18] <Sysi> i'd try minimal xubuntu with that ram
[20:18] <saad_> oh ok. I read that ubuntu only requires 60MB of ram and xubuntu is better for lower spec computers
[20:19] <saad_> Here is my lspci output
[20:19] <saad_> http://pastebin.com/ZqGAQMZT
[20:19] <Sysi> !puregnome
[20:19] <Sysi> argh no xfce
[20:20] <mtrg> saad_: what's your "top", is swap used?
[20:20] <Sysi> or well, that won't be good way to do it
[20:21] <saad_> mtrg, here's my top output:
[20:21] <saad_> http://pastebin.com/SUFj3TvC
[20:21] <mtrg> yay, gnomebaker worked for me!
[20:21] <saad_> Sysi, so I shouldn't try that in terminal?
[20:21] <Sysi> saad_: i'm just thinking to irc
[20:21] <Sysi> bad habit that
[20:22] <saad_> ohk
[20:22] <Sysi> i thought this: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090504
[20:23] <Sysi> and http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[20:23] <saad_> Could it be my video driver?
[20:23] <Sysi> i think it's jut the ram
[20:23] <Sysi> you should get more of it with that cpu
[20:25] <saad_> oh
[20:25] <saad_> This is just a computer I had in the garage. Just need to be able to run messenger and browse the web
[20:25] <Sysi> but about those instructions, you'd get lighter system with that but it's not very sensible to remove everything and then install almost all of it back
[20:26] <_Techie_> what about damn small linux, or puppy dog
[20:26] <mtrg> saad_: need something ubber minimalist? Gentoo Linux
[20:26] <Sysi> browsing web is quite heavy these days, all flash and javascript
[20:26] <Sysi> gentoo is not light if you make it fat
[20:27] <mtrg> yeah, but it gives the choice
[20:27]  * mtrg is on gentoo now, with Albatros theme, just like Xubntu but faster ;)
[20:27] <Sysi> did you check that distrowatch url?
[20:28] <mtrg> no
[20:28] <saad_> yes
[20:28] <Sysi> my fedora was also very fast with optimised kernel, but lucid is very fast too
[20:28] <saad_> This computer originally ran windows XP and that ran fine
[20:29] <Sysi> you *could* make minimal *buntu installation also
[20:29] <Sysi> saad_: you could try lxde-desktop
[20:30] <saad_> Sysi, is there anything I can do in xubuntu right now to make it quicker or would i have to get another distro?
[20:30] <residentgrey> are there some things to make the installation run even leaner?
[20:30] <residentgrey> it's lean enough but sill
[20:30] <residentgrey> i mean from default install besides the removing kde
[20:31] <_Techie_> remove KDE and Xfce4 and install Lxde
[20:31] <Sysi> check what unuseful you have in settings -> sessions&startup
[20:31] <Sysi> lxde is when you want extreme fast, but then we talk about lubuntu actually
[20:32] <mtrg> Sysi: didn't know that xubuntu is so nasty on reasources
[20:32] <residentgrey> lubuntu?
[20:32] <saad_> I can remove KDO and xfce4 within xubuntu and have it install lxde?
[20:32] <saad_> KDE*
[20:32] <Sysi> !lubuntu
[20:33] <_Techie_> http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html
[20:33] <Sysi> but, i'd need to go to bed, schoolday tomorrow
[20:37] <residentgrey> screenshots look the closest to windows yet lol
[20:47] <mtrg> compressing 900MB with bzip, wondering how small could it get. it's all text
[20:49] <mtrg> that's sad. only one core is being used :(
[20:56] <mtrg> oh beautiful.. compressed file is just larger
[23:51] <erikN> *waves*


[05:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:28] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[07:28] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[07:29] <diplo> Was well worth getting +r put on here, nice and quiet now :)
[07:30] <brobostigon> :)
[07:43] <zmoylan_pi> it will keep out irc newbs too...
[07:45] <brobostigon> pathfinder playtest release today, :)
[07:46] <diplo> Yup, which is a good thing, leave them to #ubuntu :)
[09:31] <Gargoyle> Looking for anyone using packer + lxd + ansible ?


[12:59] <zul> @schedule
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 09 Oct 14:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 20:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 12:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 12:00: Edubuntu
[12:59] <zul> @schedule montreal
[12:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 09 Oct 10:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 16:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 16:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 08:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 08:00: Edubuntu
[01:00] <Hawkwind> @schedule chicago
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 09 Oct 09:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 15:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 15:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 07:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 07:00: Edubuntu
[04:56] <freeflying|away> @schedule Shanghai
[04:56] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 09 Oct 22:00: MOTU | 11 Oct 04:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 04:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 20:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu
[08:58] <siretart> @time europe
[08:59] <siretart> @time berlin
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: October 09 2006, 08:59:12 - Next meeting: MOTU in 7 hours 0 minutes
[08:59] <ajmitch> hi siretart  :)
[08:59] <siretart> heyho ajmitch!
[08:59] <GNAM> @schedule rome
[08:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu
[09:07] <siretart> :)
[10:47] <sivang> @schdule Israel
[10:47] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:20] <lucas> @schedule paris
[11:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 09 Oct 16:00: MOTU | 10 Oct 22:00: Technical Board | 11 Oct 22:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 14:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 14:00: Edubuntu
[11:20] <lucas> ok, won't make it.
[11:38] <Fujitsu> @now
[11:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 09 2006, 09:38:35 - Next meeting: MOTU in 4 hours 21 minutes
[02:46] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[02:46] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 09 Oct 22:00: MOTU | 11 Oct 04:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 04:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 20:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu
[03:55] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[03:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: Current meeting: MOTU | 11 Oct 04:00: Technical Board | 12 Oct 04:00: Edubuntu | 12 Oct 23:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 17 Oct 20:00: Community Council | 18 Oct 20:00: Edubuntu
[03:56] <sivang> so, MOTU meeting is now?
[03:56] <dholbach> anytime soon, yes
[03:57] <Toadstool> hey here
[03:58] <freeflying> hi all
[04:00] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[04:00] <zul> hi
[04:01] <dholbach> OK everybody - welcome to the MOTU meeting
[04:01] <Gloubiboulga> I can only stay ten minutes :/
[04:01] <dholbach> We try to keep this meeting short, as we all want to get back to fixing the last bugs in Edgy. :-)
[04:01] <dholbach> Our agenda is quite short, it's over here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Meetings
[04:01] <dholbach> First point on the agenda is: "Prepare check lists for Universe/Multiverse for release."
[04:02] <dholbach> In the previous release cycles we always had lists of things we wanted to get done
[04:02] <dholbach> like the python transition, the unmet dependency lists, ftbfs lists and other transitions
[04:02] <dholbach> not to forget: Bug lists!
[04:02] <dholbach> What do we have on the plate for Edgy release?
[04:03] <Fujitsu> We ideally need to get a FTBFS list, 'cause an unmet deps. list is trivial...
[04:03] <dholbach> Ok
[04:03] <dholbach> 1) UnmetDeps list - easy to do, we can massfile bugs on that one
[04:03] <Fujitsu> Yup.
[04:04] <dholbach> 2) for the FTBFS list we can take the list of failed builds on launchpad
[04:04] <dholbach> because I think that Adam (infinity) is too busy to do an archive rebuild at this stage.
[04:04] <Fujitsu> dholbach, not really. A lot of things haven't been built in ages.
[04:04] <Fujitsu> Yeah, true.
[04:04] <dholbach> if anybody else has a feasible idea on that one, I'm all ears. :-)
[04:05] <dholbach> Do we have any open transitions we don't get by looking at the unmet deps list?
[04:05] <sivang> dholbach: what about the python transition, is it all done ?
[04:06] <dholbach> sivang: for Universe: I doubt it
[04:06] <sivang> I see :-/
[04:06] <dholbach> sivang: doko_ fixed a lot and synced a lot from Debian, but I guess it's not complete (for Universe)
[04:06] <sivang> yes, I see
[04:06] <dholbach> Ok - anything else specific for the last days before release?
[04:07] <dholbach> (If you can think of anything later on, just mail ubuntu-motu@)
[04:08] <siretart> dholbach: we have that gnustep transition open
[04:08] <dholbach> siretart: ah! how many packages does that involve?
[04:08] <siretart> dholbach: you surely remember a series of UVF exceptions the last dats
[04:08] <dholbach> siretart: yeah I do - are there other packages involved?
[04:08] <siretart> dholbach: I'm not sure as I'm not familiar with gnustep at all
[04:08] <dholbach> I see
[04:09] <dholbach> I'll follow up with him.
[04:09] <siretart> I remember a message from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>that this transition isn't complete even in debian/etch
[04:09] <dholbach> I'll write him after the meeting - let's hope we get that done for release
[04:09] <siretart> ok
[04:10] <sistpoty> what's that transition about... I remember quite a bunch of gnustep uploads at the beginning of edgy...
[04:10] <geser> the gnustep transition will need several packages to be rebuilt or synced but I haven't checked in detail yet
[04:10] <geser> I'm still trying to get all pieces built
[04:10] <minghua> gnustep transition is almost finished in Debian from what I read from debian-release list
[04:11] <minghua> some packages are still in NEW
[04:11] <geser> gnustep-back needs to be built
[04:11] <sivang> yes, also curious to know what the gnustep transition is about
[04:11] <sistpoty> maybe s.o. could investigate and post to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:11] <dholbach> Ok, that sounds as if we're on a good way to get it fixed.
[04:12] <siretart> yes, lets not block the meeting with that transitions. let's move on
[04:12] <dholbach> For Universe/Multiverse Bugs:         1   75  of 2778 results            is, what I currently see.
[04:12] <dholbach> What is a good way to address those bugs?
[04:12] <dholbach> ( http://tinyurl.com/p7moy )
[04:12] <StevenK> dholbach: Close the lot of them, of course.
[04:12] <dholbach> ;-)
[04:12] <dholbach> Right.
[04:13] <Fujitsu> Write a script that iterates through and rejects them. Problem solved.
[04:13] <StevenK> dholbach: Some of those 2778 probably apply to Hoary which can be found and slaughtered.
[04:13] <Fujitsu> We have a bug-free universe.
[04:13] <dholbach> I'm sure that a lot of old ones can indeed be rejected.
[04:13] <Fujitsu> StevenK, probably.
[04:13] <dholbach> that's rather a task for the opening of edgy+1
[04:14] <Fujitsu> True...
[04:14] <dholbach> in the process of uploading a fix for universe and multiverse in the last days we should always make sure to check the bugs in launchpad for that package
[04:14] <dholbach> that way we can easily find bugs that can be closed with the upload and some even point to the debian bug with a patch
[04:14] <Fujitsu> I've generally tried to do that for all of my uploads.
[04:14] <dholbach> Fujitsu: Good work!
[04:15] <dholbach> 1   75  of 157 results     Uni/Multiverse bugs with patches
[04:15] <dholbach> those are lowhanging fruit, I guess
[04:15] <siretart> dholbach: I don't really see what we as motu team can decide or discuss about high bugnumbers, besides encouraging to participate in bug squashing sessions
[04:15] <dholbach> I'll write a mail to ubuntu-motu@ about that later on
[04:15] <dholbach> siretart: I only try to identify low-hanging fruit
[04:16] <dholbach> things we can get fixed easily.
[04:16] <siretart> dholbach: what we can do is to try to create reports about how many bugs we have open, how many are confirmed, important and have a patch, and list them in a report
[04:16] <dholbach> siretart: nice idea - that would go well into a MOTU section on UWN
[04:16] <sistpoty> from taking a glimpse on some bugs, some basic triaging (getting info etc.) might help... maybe we could do a hug day?
[04:16] <siretart> in the hope that this encourages uploaders actually looking at bugs. debian has a weekly report about RC bugs
[04:16] <dholbach> sistpoty: sure - sfllaw will be happy to see some people working on universe packages
[04:17] <dholbach> Ok, I'll write a mail about Universe bugs.
[04:17] <sistpoty> dholbach: great!
[04:17] <dholbach> Who wants to massfile bugs on unmet deps?
[04:18] <dholbach> I have a script for that - but if somebody else wants to do that, that's cool
[04:18] <Fujitsu> I can do it, if others won't :)
[04:18] <dholbach> Fujitsu: I think I'll also point to the failed builds on launchpad
[04:18] <dholbach> Fujitsu: http://daniel.holba.ch/bzr/massfile
[04:18] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[04:18] <sistpoty> would be good to have the packagename in the bug title (i guess that was a script bug last time *g*) ;)
[04:18] <dholbach> hehe :-)
[04:18] <dholbach> ok, let's move on - if some of you have clever ideas which bugs/fixes to address - follow up on the mailing list
[04:19] <siretart> and tag them! :)
[04:19] <dholbach> 2) Find agreement on StableReleaseUpdates for Universe/Multiverse
[04:19] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[04:19] <Fujitsu> Yes, that's particularly important to me, as I've got an update or two that need doing ;)
[04:19] <siretart> dholbach: 1st question: do we have a -proposed upload target for universe?
[04:19] <dholbach> Usually shortly after releases we get lots of requests for updates to <stable>-updated
[04:19] <dholbach> -updates
[04:20] <dholbach> siretart: I'm not quite sure, I'll investigate and let you all know.
[04:20] <sistpoty> just curious: did anyone do a SRU for uni/multiverse recently?
[04:20] <dholbach> not recently
[04:20] <siretart> dholbach: is someone only who we can ask? because I think this could be important for our further discussion of this point
[04:21] <siretart> s/only/online/. gnarf
[04:21] <siretart> sistpoty: I think LaserJock tried to do one, but mdz told him that we need a process for that first
[04:21] <siretart> sistpoty: thats why we are discussion that here
[04:21] <dholbach> I asked in #ubuntu-devel
[04:22] <siretart> thanks
[04:22] <sistpoty> imo the entry barrier as proposed in SRU-updates is too high for universe...
[04:22] <dholbach> that's my feeling too, sistpoty
[04:22] <Fujitsu> siretart, I see an SRU for matplotlib by LaserJock.
[04:22] <sistpoty> maybe we could get s.th. like motu-uvf in place for SRU policies and just get a final ack after the -proposed upload from ubuntu-archive?
[04:22] <siretart> Fujitsu: oh. i see
 What is the current state of -proposed? Does it work? Does it work for universe and multiverse as well?
[04:22] <sivang> what's the SRU?
 dholbach: working but restricted by policy (StableReleaseUpdates); yes; yes
[04:22] <dholbach> sivang: STABLE RELEASE UPDATES
[04:22] <sivang> dholbach: ah, right, sorry ! :-)
[04:22] <dholbach> *cough* :)
[04:23] <sivang> hehe
[04:23] <siretart> I like sistpoty's idea (in fact, I wanted to propose something similar)
[04:23] <dholbach> sistpoty: how do you think the testing process should work?
[04:23] <dholbach> ... testing part of the process ...
[04:24] <sistpoty> dholbach: just some ideas so far...:
[04:24] <sistpoty> only updates allowed with bug numbers
[04:24] <sistpoty> then we could "abuse" the ppl. filing the bugs to participate in testing
[04:25] <siretart> (they are likely interested in actually testing fixed packages)
[04:25] <sistpoty> the motu-uvf-alike team would also need to do some basic tests I guess
[04:25] <dholbach> yeah that's the interesting part of the question: who do we ask to test?
[04:25] <dholbach> bug reporters: good idea
[04:26] <siretart> dholbach: the bug submitters and subscribed ppl to that lp bug
[04:26] <dholbach> motu-uvf: bad idea - too much mails already ;-)
[04:26] <dholbach> siretart: do you think that's enough?
[04:26] <siretart> dholbach: let's call that group 'motu-sru'
[04:26] <sistpoty> yay
[04:26] <sistpoty> of course the uploader needs to test thoroughly *g*
[04:27] <siretart> dholbach: I think yes. we cannot afford the same level of testing as in main
[04:27] <dholbach> and that would be people who agree to do tests in the stable release now and then?
[04:27] <rmjb> uvf?
[04:27] <dholbach> rmjb: upstream version freeze
[04:27] <dholbach> What about mailing them to UWN and announcing them - for people to test and have a look?
[04:27] <siretart> dholbach: I don't understand, announce what exactly?
[04:27] <dholbach> that would make sure we have a reasonably big tester community
[04:28] <dholbach> "fixed packages of <...> available for testing."
[04:28] <siretart> in form of a report section of UWN? sounds great!
[04:28] <dholbach> yeah
[04:28] <minghua> sounds a good idea, but I'm not sure how well that will work
[04:28] <Fujitsu> Although some bugs already have large communities built up around them, so have a large testing ground already :P
[04:28] <sistpoty> dholbach: sounds great... maybe we could increase the testing time a little bit (2-4 weaks?)?
[04:28] <Toadstool> dholbach: and point the testers to the sru bug report, otherwise we'll get a whole load of dupes :)
[04:29] <sivang> Yes, sounds like UWN would encourage people to do testing.
[04:29] <siretart> minghua: we have to test. do you have another proposal?
[04:29] <dholbach> because we need to get thorough testing done: be honest: all of us run the development release and seldomly test stuff in the last stable
[04:29] <minghua> I have some input method related package I want to propose for SRU, but I doubt many testers are interested in testing them
[04:29] <sistpoty> dholbach: so that proposed will become a kind of testing *g*
[04:29] <dholbach> sistpoty: >= 2 weeks - yes, what I thought
[04:29] <sivang> dholbach: well, setting up a dapper chroot is not hard :)
[04:29] <siretart> dholbach: how does the -propsed queue work? do uploads get automatically built and published?
[04:29] <minghua> siretart: not really, but I think the uploader/proposer should be more responsible
[04:30] <dholbach> sivang: thoroughly using it, is
[04:30] <dholbach> minghua: we have a cjk-testers team in launchpad - maybe you could subscribe them to that bug?
[04:30] <dholbach> siretart: yes, in the <stable>-proposed section
[04:30] <sistpoty> just a side though: we should try to limit new upstream versions though, maybe only for utterly broken packages or small diffs, since these would be a target for -backports imo
[04:30] <sivang> so, that measn testers will have to have another box runnign dapper..
[04:31] <minghua> dholbach: a lot of bugs I want to fix have cjk-testers subscribed, not much activity from what I see
[04:31] <dholbach> sistpoty: agreed
[04:31] <siretart> dholbach: cool. I imagined that would be a moderated queue, similar to NEW or something
[04:31] <sivang> sistpoty: indeed, make a lot of sense.
[04:31] <dholbach> minghua: you could try to prod jono about making the team more active - maybe ask in the loco teams to get people involved there
[04:31] <Fujitsu> sistpoty, of course.
[04:31] <minghua> dholbach: sure, I'll think more about this
[04:31] <dholbach> Wow, looks like we got some good ideas on that one.
[04:32] <siretart> :)
[04:32] <minghua> I'm just expressing my interest on SRU for universe here :-)
[04:32] <sistpoty> for testing, maybe we could make some silly "acks >= n" guidelines for packages, to see if updating in fact makes sense
[04:32] <dholbach> Anyone wants to add something to it?
[04:32] <dholbach> minghua: :-)
[04:32] <freeflying> minghua: anything relate to zh_CN, ubuntu-cn would like test
[04:32] <minghua> I think strict ack >= n is a good idea
[04:33] <dholbach> might be a bit tough for obscure packages
[04:33] <sivang> sistpoty: I'd say not >= , but they will have to provide X benefits on ground which we will update them.
[04:33] <dholbach> but this is something we'll figure out along the way
[04:33] <minghua> freeflying: not really, the things I have in my head is scim-chewing and scim-m17n
[04:33] <minghua> freeflying: but thanks for the information
[04:33] <sivang> so having something like "Does it fulfill A,B,C and E? okay let's update"
[04:33] <dholbach> We need to flesh out this process perfectly, so it'll be easy for people to get involved in approving, forwarding, testing, etc
[04:33] <minghua> freeflying: on the other hand, most zh_CN related scim stuff are in main anyway
[04:33] <sistpoty> I wouldn't make it a strict policy (as dholbach just mentioned)... but rather a guideline which the sru-team could still override
[04:33] <freeflying> minghua: but we wtill can test
[04:33] <dholbach> yeah
[04:34] <rmjb> testing on stable can be done in a virtual appliance? if users are running development?
[04:34] <dholbach> Ok - let's put all of this into a wiki page later on and work on it together
[04:34] <sivang> rmjb: for sure
[04:34] <minghua> back to the ack >= n thing - if we can't get enough acks, it should mean not many users are interested in this package, shouldn't it?
[04:34] <siretart> did we agree on a 'motu-sru' team? how many members and what quorum do we want to have?
[04:35] <sivang> and when Xen is ready in edgy, it will even come out of the box IIRC.
[04:35] <dholbach> I have the feeling that we won't solve the process entirely today.
[04:35] <sivang> we need to start with somethign modest,
[04:35] <sivang> and refine the process as we go
[04:35] <sistpoty> minghua: it would... but some obscure packages that are utterly broken anyway would get of starved from this... so I'd make it just a guideline which can be overridden...
[04:35] <sivang> *something
[04:36] <Fujitsu> dholbach, of course, there is a lot to be decided.
[04:36] <dholbach> Yes
[04:36] <sivang> We can start with a very basic set of guidlines, and see what more we require by experience
[04:36] <rmjb> the sru will also apply to dapper since that's LTS or does that already have something in place?
[04:36] <sistpoty> minghua: also, testing by s.o. who's really knowing what he's doing is worth more then 5 tests of ppl. who don't have much clue ;)
[04:36] <minghua> freeflying: you mean ubuntu-cn can still test packages in main, or test packages not about zh_CN?
[04:36] <dholbach> I'll start on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Processes/SRU later on and will try to make the wiki page so everybody can add their proposal in easily
[04:36] <dholbach> we should discuss the strict guidelines in another meeting
[04:36] <siretart> or perhaps on the mailing list
[04:37] <dholbach> good idea too
[04:37] <sistpoty> +1
[04:37] <sivang> +1
[04:37] <Fujitsu> +1
[04:37] <dholbach> so it gets some eyeballing before we finally agree in a meeting
[04:37] <freeflying> minghua: we'd like test anything we can do :)
[04:37] <siretart> next item?
[04:37] <minghua> sistpoty: very true.  if some one is willing to be responsible for the upload, then things can be overridden. :-)
[04:38] <dholbach> MOTU Build Farm and Donation (HW, CPU time, and $) process (JordanMantha)
[04:38] <dholbach> laserjock is not here
[04:38] <dholbach> I think we probably should leave this one out for the next meeting - what do you guys think?
[04:38] <sistpoty> yep
[04:38] <minghua> is TheMuso here?
[04:38] <TheMuso> TO be honest, I think its something that should be discussed on the ml.
[04:38] <siretart> dholbach: perhaps you can give some details about this proposal?
[04:38] <minghua> the proposal mail to -motu is his
[04:38] <TheMuso> Its not something thats easily talked about on IRC>
[04:38] <bddebian> I think some should just send me a PPC, Sparc, and amd64 and be done with it.. ;-P
[04:39] <siretart> bddebian: I have a spare ultra1 ;)
[04:39] <dholbach> siretart: I have no idea
[04:39] <dholbach> siretart: it's his item :)
[04:39] <siretart> ic
[04:40] <siretart> hm. the original proposal was from Luke Yelavich
[04:40] <siretart> dholbach: can we abuse edgy-proposed for that?
[04:40] <TheMuso> A few of us were talking about it in -motu earlier today, and were throwing ideas around, but due ot the complexity of what might have to be done, I feel it it would be easier on the mailing list.
[04:40] <dholbach> siretart: for what?
[04:40] <TheMuso> IMO
[04:40] <Fujitsu> I think this is fairly important, because I've run into a couple of bugs/FTBFSes in various things that only appear in PPC or [insert other obscure architecture here] . It's pretty much impossible to debug this sort of stuff without access to machines of the target architecture.
[04:40] <siretart> dholbach: testuploading packages to see if they build on all architectures or for testing of patches?
[04:40] <Fujitsu> And not all of us have non-x86 machines.
[04:40] <dholbach> hmrmhrmhmrmhrmhrmhrmhrmhr
[04:41] <dholbach> I don't like the idea much - the buildds are usually somewhat blocked already
[04:41] <TheMuso> I wasn't thinking of using the build servers.
[04:41] <siretart> dholbach: buildds can be prioritized. I imagine that very low priority
[04:41] <Fujitsu> *cough* openoffice *cough* kde *cough*
[04:41] <dholbach> not blocked, but you know that other stuff will be delayed
[04:41] <dholbach> I don't like the idea much
[04:42] <TheMuso> I am very well aware of their busy schedule.
[04:42] <dholbach> you can ask on #ubuntu-devel - as it's not my decision
[04:42] <sistpoty> imo it's not so much the problem to test if a package builds on all arches before a package is uploaded, but rather to get access to arch-xy if there is a build-failer on that arch
[04:42] <TheMuso> Has everybody here read the original email I sent?
[04:42] <sistpoty> failure even
[04:43] <minghua> TheMuso: I read :-)
[04:43] <minghua> I think TheMuso's idea is not really a build farm, but something like Debian's developer's machine for all archs
[04:44] <minghua> which MOTUs can log in and do test builds or debugging
[04:44] <minghua> TheMuso: is that correct?
[04:44] <minghua> and in that case we don't need the official buildds
[04:44] <minghua> some machines in a MOTU's house works just fine
[04:45] <TheMuso> minghua: SOmewhat. I was thinking of something where anybody who has hardware can donate its use for building/testing, but on a purely volintary basis.
[04:45] <Fujitsu> Like what a couple of people do now.
[04:45] <TheMuso> And have such systems in place so that if a user donates hardware, but has low bandwidth, their systems only build small packages. Same with CPU speed, and times of day.
[04:45] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Exactly.
[04:46] <TheMuso> ajmitch raised some interesting points about security. I'd have to dig back through my -motu logs to find them however.
[04:46] <_MMA_> Hello all. LaserJock and I talked at some length about this. I have a AMD AM2 4600+ machine that I would like to compile packages on. Currently I cant package. I wanna learn but my current situations gives me limited time to learn new things. So we discussed I could process files without configuring everything.
[04:47] <_MMA_> I also wanted to donate some $ for hardware.
[04:48] <dholbach> Can we start getting ideas together on a wiki page for that?
[04:48] <dholbach> It looks like it's not something we can decide easily
[04:48] <TheMuso> Thats a good idea.
[04:48] <sistpoty> hm... just as a side idea: maybe we could also form amd64/sparc/ppc/whatever teams, that have access to that hw and to whom we could assign arch-specific bugs to. usually it's easy for s.o. who has that arch to fix the bug because he will know what's the problem
[04:49] <StevenK> That's a big assumption.
[04:49] <sistpoty> well.. usually as in for the easy fixes... of course there are tough tasks, which the team could reject then
[04:49] <StevenK> I own an sparc64 and a parisc, doesn't mean I know anything about how the software functions in comparsion to an i386
[04:49] <TheMuso> StevenK: Same with myself and my ppc.
[04:50] <rmjb> sistpoty: with this proposal the person with the knowledge of the package can fix the bug since they'll have access to the different arches
[04:50] <dholbach> we could add a subpage to the wiki about people and their hardware
[04:50] <sistpoty> rmjb: sure... it was just an extra idea on top of that
[04:50] <dholbach> and decide on a process to form those teams, etc
[04:50] <tomveens> wiki idea: need a spokesperson for the page a one point to communicatie with about HW donation
[04:51] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Machines ;-)
[04:51] <sistpoty> the motu-machines :)
[04:51] <TheMuso> heh
[04:51] <dholbach> we can add all the security worries, process ideas, lists, mail addresses, everything to it
[04:51] <tomveens> who's first?
[04:52] <dholbach> I suggest we do that before we start to decide on something :)
[04:52] <dholbach> but it was great to see some ideas thrown into the mix ;-)
[04:52] <TheMuso> dholbach: Agreed. I just wanted to get it out in the open.
[04:52] <dholbach> TheMuso: thanks a lot for that.
[04:52] <TheMuso> np
[04:52] <dholbach> next time and date?
[04:52] <dholbach> I'd like to have it after the release
[04:53] <Fujitsu> A couple of days after?
[04:53] <TheMuso> Does anybody mind if I create the wiki page dholbach suggested above
[04:53] <dholbach> Fujitsu: sounds good
[04:53] <Fujitsu> Go ahead, dholbach.
[04:53] <tomveens> okay
[04:53] <TheMuso> SO I can flesh out my original proposal a little more?
[04:53] <dholbach> between release and UDS, after?
[04:53] <Fujitsu> Oops, *TheMuso, not dholbach.
[04:54] <TheMuso> :)
[04:54] <dholbach> Ok, we can handle that on the mailing list as well.
[04:54] <dholbach> Thanks a lot everybody for coming to the meeting!
[04:55] <TheMuso> np
[04:55] <sistpoty> thanks for the meeting ;)
[04:55] <dholbach> Have a good time until the release - I know you're all going to ROCK!
[04:55] <Fujitsu> THanks for running it :)
[04:55] <dholbach> de rien :)
[04:55] <Fujitsu> No, no rocking. Sleeping now :P
[04:55] <dholbach> Fujitsu: sleep tight.
[04:55] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: SOunds like a plan.
[04:55] <TheMuso> That page is going up tomorrow.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> Thanks dholbach :)
[04:55] <Fujitsu> Good idea, TheMuso.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> 'tis late.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> Or early.
[04:56] <TheMuso> Yeah. And I don't feel very awake. :p
[04:56] <Fujitsu> Neither.
[04:56] <Fujitsu> See you all on the morrow.
[05:06] <bddebian> Hey, what'd I miss.  Can you all start over? ;-P
[05:11] <Hobbsee> bddebian: heh


[00:46] <tonyb> I'm hoping to run edubuntu in something like a kisok mode.  (please forgive me for asking befoer I do the install) Are there tools to lock up a given account so the theme (icons, fonts, background etc) can not be changed?
[00:48] <kgoetz> yes, a number of them
[00:48] <kgoetz> iirc theres even some guides how to do it
[00:51] <tonyb> kgoetz: I did google for guides/howtos but couldn't find any I'll keep trying thanks.
[00:53] <tonyb> hopefully I'll get time to do the install this weekend.
[00:54] <kgoetz> !sabayon
[00:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sabayon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:54] <kgoetz> silly bot.
[00:54] <kgoetz> !pessulus
[00:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pessulus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:54] <kgoetz> siller bot
[00:54] <kgoetz> !info pessulus
[00:54] <ubotu> pessulus: lockdown editor for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.16.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 29 kB, installed size 1004 kB
[00:55] <kgoetz> tonyb: ^^
[00:55] <tonyb> kgoetz: Thanks.
[00:55] <kgoetz> np
[00:56] <tonyb> kgoetz: installing it on my laptop to have a play :)
[00:56] <kgoetz> :)
[00:56] <kgoetz> i know theres another one, but it doesnt spring to mind
[00:57] <kgoetz> !info sabayon
[00:57] <ubotu> sabayon: system administration tool to manage GNOME desktop settings. In component main, is optional. Version 2.20.1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 151 kB, installed size 2784 kB
[00:57] <kgoetz> there it is^^
[01:01] <tonyb> kgoetz: again thanks.  They shoudl do waht I need.  It's a shame I have to start from this position.  It'd be nice if I just /trusted/ the kids wouldn't do "the wrong thing" :(
[01:01] <kgoetz> tonyb: what are you worried they will do specifically?
[01:03] <tonyb> kgoetz: basically student A makign it hard for Student B to use the machine.
[01:03] <tonyb> kgoetz: also to a smaller degree "defacing" the machine.
[01:03] <kgoetz> tonyb: you might want to look at resetting the GUI on login/logout
[01:03] <kgoetz> so each login is clean
[01:04] <tonyb> kgoetz: Yeah I'll do that, and the teacher can ctl-alt-bkspace if needs be
[01:08] <tonyb> kgoetz: Thanks again.
[01:09] <kgoetz> tonyb: no problems
[01:09] <kgoetz> tonyb: let us kknow how it goes
[01:09] <tonyb> kgoetz: Will do.
[01:09] <kgoetz> :)
[02:28] <a|2121|e> assalamualaikum
[03:59] <kgoetz> RichEd: arvo
[08:44] <bcoudoin> Hi, there is a problem with GCompris on Gutsy, translations does not show up. At least french people are complaining
[11:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> bcoudoin, i hadnt heard of any issues. have you checked the BTS?
[12:01] <bcoudoin> nope, I checking now
[12:01] <bcoudoin> it's not there
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcompris/+bug/107971
[12:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107971 in gcompris "Incomplete French translation" [Undecided,New]
[12:10] <bcoudoin> I am installing gcompris here to double check but it's not a partial issue
[12:17] <bcoudoin> I am confused, on my gutsy, gcompris is partially translated
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> bcoudoin, the person with the problem may not have their computer setup properly?
[12:19] <bcoudoin> well, I found out that gcompris.mo is part of the gnome language pack. perhaps these persons don't have it
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> could be. ask them if they have ubuntu-desktop installed, and what gcompris parts - iirc gcompris has a -fr package
[12:22] <bcoudoin> yes but the -fr is for voices
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah right
[13:35] <spacey> hi
[13:37] <spacey> ogra: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.ubuntu.user.edubuntu/2006-08/msg00079.html
[13:37] <spacey> correct that that bug still exists?
[13:42] <stgraber> ogra: I just saw that "edubuntu-addon" has been rescheduled for today, is that correct ?
[13:43] <ogra> spacey, yes
[13:44] <spacey> ogra: is there some quick fix?
[13:44] <ogra> stgraber, yup, thats right, mvo wanted a discussion about the g-a-i changes
[13:44] <spacey> if i deinstall gnome-power-manager it also pulls gnome-session away and everything breaks
[13:44] <ogra> spacey, sudo gconf-editor ....
[13:44] <stgraber> ok
[13:44] <spacey> ogra: something systemwide?
[13:44] <sbalneav> Boo
[13:45] <ogra> go to g-p-m set "can_hibernate" "can_suspend" to false .... make them default and mandatory
[13:45] <spacey> ok
[13:46] <spacey> thanks
[14:07] <musashi1> can anyone explain what i need to do to get gutsy to auth with active directory? I'm looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto but not really sure what i need to do. I'm still rather new to all this. thanks
[14:12] <musashi1> i'm getting some feedback from other suggesting that this is not going to work in gutsy? can anyone confirm? should i reinstall with feisty?
[14:23] <bcoudoin> ogra: the french translation of gcompris 8.3.2 that comes on gutsy is really out of sync. It's unusable in schools.
[14:26] <bcoudoin> also as the gcompris.mo is provided as part of the gnome language pack, I am afraid it's not installed on non gnome based systems
[14:45] <dtrask> So how'd the profiles session go?  Anything to report?
[14:47] <moquist> dtrask: gobby installed & open by default on an Edubuntu server.
[14:49] <dtrask> ????
[14:51] <moquist> dtrask: by "gobby" I of course mean "sabayon"
[14:54] <dtrask> aha
[14:54] <dtrask> :-)
[14:54] <musashi1> can anyone explain what i need to do to get gutsy to auth with active directory? I'm looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto but not really sure what i need to do. I have installed kbr5-user but when trying to use kinit I get this -->  (v5): Preauthentication failed while getting initial credentials
[14:55] <musashi1> or this --> kinit(v5): KDC reply did not match expectations while getting initial credentials
[15:04]  * dtrask dtrask needs to learn to acknowledge the low power warning
[15:05] <dtrask> moquist: So...sabayon will be enabled by default?  What about gobby?
[15:05] <dtrask> moquist: You mentioned gobby earlier
[15:06] <stgraber> musashi1: first of all you must have the same time on both your server and client, so use ntp :), then set your krb5.conf and try : user@DOMAIN (the domain usually is uppercase)
[15:12] <moquist> dtrask: I typed the wrong thing.
[15:20] <dtrask_> what room you guys in at the moment?
[15:20] <dtrask_> trying to listen...no one home
[15:22] <stgraber> dtrask_: Hunsaker B
[15:22] <dtrask_> talk to me
[15:22] <dtrask_> say hi
[15:22] <stgraber> dtrask_: but waiting for mvo, so everyone working on the wiki :)
[15:22] <dtrask_> thanks
[15:22] <dtrask_> yes I'm here
[15:22] <dtrask_> I'm on listen mode
[15:23] <dtrask_> OK
[15:23] <calc> mvo was double scheduled
[15:23] <dtrask_> OK...just curious
[15:23] <dtrask_> I can't talk as I'm in class and the kids will look at me funny
[15:23] <stgraber> :)
[15:23] <dtrask_> Is RichEd there?
[15:23] <stgraber> nope
[15:24] <dtrask_> I need to catch him about plans for tomorrow
[15:24] <RichEd> dtrask: nope ...
[15:24] <dtrask_> I'll be back Wed
[15:24] <dtrask_> RichEd: LOL
[15:24] <dtrask_> RichEd: where are you?
[15:24] <dtrask_> ;-)
[15:24] <RichEd> dtrask: in the loco team meeting
[15:24] <dtrask_> I'll try and catch you later about plans
[15:24] <RichEd> when are you driving back ? after school on wed ?
[15:25] <dtrask_> yep
[15:25] <dtrask_> actually after my son's soccer game....so probably leave here 4:30 or so
[15:25] <RichEd> what time would work for the visit (actual school time that is) forgetting travel time
[15:25] <RichEd> 11:00-1:00 something like that ?
[15:25] <dtrask_> school is out at 2:30 pm so earlier is better
[15:26] <dtrask_> That could work
[15:26] <RichEd> okay ... let me chat to people here to see who would be keen to go, and if someone is able to drive
[15:26] <dtrask_> sure
[15:26] <RichEd> will chat to you later
[15:26] <RichEd> thanks
[15:26] <dtrask_> if you guys decide to make the journey....then let me know and I will then help make arrangements
[15:26] <dtrask_> brb
[15:34] <dtrask_> I'm back
[15:34] <dtrask_>  for  a min
[15:36] <musashi1> stgraber: thanks. i'll set that up
[15:37] <musashi1> can i do ntp from a term? i'm logged in over ssh at the moment
[15:37] <stgraber> ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com should sync the clock
[15:39] <musashi1> thanks
[15:39] <musashi1> stgraber: sweet!! that worked
[15:39] <musashi1> at least kinit did
[15:39] <musashi1> i still have more issues :(
[15:41] <musashi1> dtrask_: are you THE david trask of linux journal fame?
[15:44] <calc> RichEd is here now
[15:47] <dtrask_> musashi1: Yes...I guess  *blush*
[15:47] <musashi1> cool. you are doing amazing things.
[15:47] <dtrask_> musashi1: thanks  :-)
[15:48] <dtrask_> musashi1: funny...you mention this...had beer last night with Maddog
[15:48] <dtrask_> musashi1: heard the story of how he met Linus
[15:48] <dtrask_>  brb...lunch
[15:51] <musashi1> dtrask_: that's cool. enjoy lunch.
[16:44] <dtrask_> moquist: where's the file in xterminator with the variable I can adjust the amount of time to "wait"
[16:47] <dtrask_> moquist: never mind...I found it
[17:36] <moquist> dtrask_: hi. good. :)
[18:03] <highvoltage> moo
[18:16] <dtrask_> RichEd: You here?
[18:16] <RichEd> dtrask_: yebo
[18:17] <dtrask_> RichEd: looks like my sons game is Thursday or Friday....so I'll be able to leave right after school tomorrow....2:45 or so
[18:18] <dtrask_> RichEd: I realize it's a long drive so ya'll don't feel like you need to come up
[18:18] <RichEd> okay ... things are getting quie busy here with specs ... lots of classmate issues to go through
[18:18] <RichEd> i just don't want to take time out if i am stressing about missing sessions ...
[18:18] <RichEd> but will give you a final answer later today
[18:19] <dtrask_> RichEd: no problem...I understand completely....don't worry about it...stay there and I'll see you all tomorrow p.m.
[18:19] <RichEd> thanks ... maybe we can do a virtual session hook up with the kids
[18:20] <dtrask_> RichEd: by the time you got up here...the return on time invested might not be worth it
[18:21] <dtrask_> RichEd: Great idea!  Anyone got a webcam?  I have one on this laptop that works great with Ekiga OR maybe you can use moquist's MacBook and do Skype with video...I can do the same with my MacBook
[18:21] <RichEd> i'll check ...
[18:23] <dtrask_> a great time to do it would be sometime in the 10:10 to 10:50 time frame....I have 4th graders at that time....9-10 year olds...
[18:24] <dtrask_> RichEd: it'd be awesome for them
[18:24] <RichEd> okay ... lemme check if anyone has a webcam
[18:24] <dtrask_> RichEd: let me know...don't stress over it....looking forward to getting back down there.  :-)
[18:24] <dtrask_> I know moquist does
[18:48] <dtrask_> Is launchpad down?  Having trouble getting to blueprints
[19:05] <dtrask_> RichEd: the Mass maintenance spec....is that leaning toward Sabayon type stuff or Samba/LDAP, user account type stuff?
[19:06] <RichEd> ogra1: can you answer dtrask_ ... i am now confused by the mass maint deploy italc classmate control innards
[19:07] <dtrask_> ogra1: hence my question  ;-)
[19:07] <ogra1> dtrask_, rather transfer scripts for accounts etc
[19:08] <ogra1> you could call it "K12LTSP maintenance scripts revisited "
[19:08] <dtrask_> ogra1: I'm planning to attend via VOIP...just wanted a heads up on what the idea was based on
[19:08] <dtrask_> ogra1: AHA!  Now I know exactly what you're talking about...and I have lots of experience with them  ;-)
[19:09] <ogra1> dtrask_, we have some huge deployments going on in the future ... that spec is about finding the rigth tools
[19:09] <dtrask_> ogra1: gotcha'
[19:09] <ogra1> which will include looking at erics scripts again
[19:09]  * dtrask_ now understands
[19:10] <dtrask_> ogra1: I see one biggie being scripts to set OpenOffice paper sizes based on locale....on script in there does the A4 to letter....does most of Europe use A4?
[19:10] <ogra1> italc is sooo horrible *sigh*
[19:10] <ogra1> dtrask_, file a bug against libpaper
[19:11] <dtrask_> ogra1: yup...I only use it when I must...which ain't often
[19:11] <ogra1> dtrask_, thas not something to fix with a script
[19:11] <dtrask_> ogra1: is there really a libpaper?
[19:11] <ogra1> yes
[19:11] <dtrask_> ogra1: will do then
[19:12] <ogra1> Description: library for handling paper characteristics
[19:12] <ogra1>  The libpaper paper-handling library automates recognition of many
[19:12] <ogra1>  different paper types and sizes for programs that need to deal with
[19:12] <ogra1>  printed output.
[19:12] <ogra1> from the package desc.
[19:12] <dtrask_> ogra1: thx
[19:13] <dtrask_> ogra1: K12LTSP scripts revisited is at 16:15 right?
[19:13] <ogra1> dtrask_, also note that it works in the most parts of the world (afaik there is only one country where it doesnt)
[19:13] <ogra1> :P
[19:13] <ogra1> yeah 16:15
[19:14] <ogra1> so based on the amount of countries that exist thats a very low prop bug *grin*
[19:14] <dtrask_> ogra1: lemme guess....same place where they don't use the metric system?  ;-)
[19:14] <ogra1> s/prop/prio/
[19:14] <dtrask_> ogra1: ;-)
[19:16] <dtrask_> anyone know Carl's (from system76) nick?
[19:19]  * dtrask_ waits a LONG time for launchpad....I need a drink...brb
[19:46] <musashi1> so it seems, based on my experiences today, that gutsy has some issues. perhaps that's good so the bugs can be found and worked out (I'll be reporting a couple) but kind of disappointing too. has anyone else had issues? does anyone have a gutsy thin client lab up and running?
[19:48] <sbalneav> Yup
[19:49] <sbalneav> Lots
[19:49] <musashi1> out of the box or lots of tweaking?
[19:49] <sbalneav> Out of the box.
[19:49] <musashi1> does local media (like usb drives) work?
[19:49] <sbalneav> I've got 30 workstations at work.
[19:49] <sbalneav> Yes, absolutely
[19:49] <musashi1> well, mine fails over and over
[19:50] <musashi1> i can log in several clients but after that it complains about swap and the rest of the clients hang
[19:50] <sbalneav> You've read the debug wiki page.
[19:50] <musashi1> no, didn't know there was one
[19:50] <sbalneav> "complains about swap"?
[19:51] <stgraber> you are probably running out of ram
[19:51] <sbalneav> What complains about swap?  The clients? The server?
[19:51] <musashi1> not sure, someone else was watching that
[19:51] <sbalneav> What's the exact error?
[19:51] <musashi1> not sure. i didn't see the screen
[19:51] <musashi1> it was on a client though
[19:52] <musashi1> stgraber: server has 4gb of ram. for 26 clients i was assured that would be enough
[19:53] <stgraber> it should if you don't have tons of firefox running for days on them :)
[19:53] <stgraber> or any memory hungry software
[19:53] <musashi1> well, we couldn't even log in more than about 6 clients
[19:53] <stgraber> hmm, ok so there is really something wrong
[19:53] <stgraber> how much ram do you have on your clients ?
[19:53] <musashi1> right
[19:54] <musashi1> not sure they are a mix of old clients. i think some are 128 and some 256
[19:54] <musashi1> maybe more
[19:54] <stgraber> ok, >64MB should be fine
[19:54] <musashi1> yes, more than 64
[19:55] <stgraber> musashi1: did you check the disk and memory usage on the server ? ("df" and "free")
[19:55] <musashi1> i didn't when the class was there. i could now but probably not useful
[19:56] <stgraber> you can still try now
[19:56] <musashi1> hold on. let me connect
[19:57] <musashi1> all the lines on df say 1% or 2% used
[19:58] <musashi1> free - Mem:       3630688    1138316    2492372          0      94924     786728
[19:58] <sbalneav> How much disk space?
[19:58] <musashi1> that's total used and free
[19:58] <sbalneav> df -k
[19:58] <musashi1> 3 160gb SATA drives in raid 5 i think
[19:59] <musashi1> so 320gb total
[20:00] <musashi1> df -k == /dev/cciss/c0d0p1    297139140   2731272 279314000   1% /
[20:00] <musashi1> you want all the lines?
[20:01] <sbalneav> yes please
[20:01] <musashi1> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[20:01] <musashi1> /dev/cciss/c0d0p1    297139140   2731272 279314000   1% /
[20:01] <musashi1> varrun                 1815344<PHONE_NUMBER>   1% /var/run
[20:01] <musashi1> varlock                1815344         0   1815344   0% /var/lock
[20:01] <musashi1> udev                   1815344        88   1815256   1% /dev
[20:01] <musashi1> devshm                 1815344         0   1815344   0% /dev/shm
[20:01] <musashi1> lrm                    1815344     34696   1780648   2% /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/volatile
[20:02] <sbalneav> We'll need to get the exact error message you had about swap
[20:02] <musashi1> sorry, i'll have to ask the guy that was checking that what it way. he is gone now
[20:03] <musashi1> i think he said about network swap - does that make any sense?
[20:06] <stgraber> well not really as indeed the clients use nbdswap which is network exported swap but the swap is stored on the server where there doesn't seem to have any space problem ...
[20:08] <musashi1> okay. it was kind of crazy. we had 25 high school kids telling us they couldn't log in on top of some other issues so it was just hard to collect accurate data.
[20:08] <musashi1> i was going to reinstall the whole thing with feisty and see if that has fewer issues. there is some traffic on the list suggesting gutsy has issues
[20:10] <stgraber> musashi1: sbalneav is working on a debug wiki page
[20:11] <stgraber> musashi1: reinstalling on Feisty isn't a good idea as I personnaly had more issues with Feisty than I had with Gutsy + the clients take like 10x more time to boot :)
[20:11] <musashi1> i need to have this ready by thurs for our network admin to add us to the domain. i really want it all working by then
[20:11] <musashi1> yeah, they do boot fast but they don't log in.
[20:12] <stgraber> the wiki page will be ready in a few minutes :)
[20:12] <musashi1> okay. i can wait
[20:12] <musashi1> thanks
[20:19] <sbalneav> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
[20:19] <dtrask_> hey are you guys meeting yet?
[20:19] <stgraber> yes
[20:19] <dtrask_> can't hear very well
[20:19] <stgraber> 5007, 5107 for listen only
[20:19] <sbalneav> musashi1: Have a look at that wiki page.
[20:20] <musashi1> checking now. thanks
[20:20] <dtrask_> are you in the lan jen chu room?
[20:20] <stgraber> dtrask_: yep
[20:20] <dtrask_> I tried 5007 wouldn't connect, but 5107 would
[20:20] <dtrask_> hmmmm
[20:20] <stgraber> can you hear us ?
[20:21] <dtrask_> K12LTSP scripts revisited  ;-)
[20:21] <dtrask_> yes
[20:21] <dtrask_> Scotty was just speaking right?
[20:21] <stgraber> yes
[20:21] <dtrask_> hang on...going to try 5007 again
[20:21] <stgraber> ok, there was a paper on the mic, quality should be a bit better now
[20:22] <dtrask_> won't let me connect....on standby....is there something that needs to happen on that end?
[20:22] <stgraber> do you have an account on canonical sip server ?
[20:23] <stgraber> that's required to access the non-listen only ones
[20:23] <dtrask_> aha!  How do I get one?
[20:23] <stgraber> ping them on #canonical-sysadmin
[20:24] <dtrask_> who should I ping?
[20:25] <dtrask_> I can hear you for the most part
[20:27] <dtrask_> do we have a gobby going?
[20:27] <stgraber> yes
[20:27] <stgraber> MassUserManagement
[20:27] <dtrask_> hang on
[20:32] <dtrask_> I'm here and can now speak...where are we?
[20:32] <dtrask_> speak up
[20:33] <musashi1> sbalneav: checking the wiki, step one says the dev needs to be partitioned. is this a common state for new drives? i think students will be frustrated if we need to go through those steps to save to a flash drive?
[20:34] <musashi1> this could be a deal breaker. it worked in feisty and if i can't get it work in gutsy i'll have to roll back
[20:35] <sbalneav> It didn't change from feisty to gutsy
[20:35] <sbalneav> it was the same before.
[20:36] <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file?  /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[20:36] <sbalneav> !pastebot
[20:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:36] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[20:36] <LaserJock> hi all
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[20:37] <sbalneav> hello LaserJock
[20:38] <LaserJock> was there another Edubuntu Addon discussion today?
[20:38] <stgraber> eh, sort of :)
[20:38] <stgraber> we were waiting for mvo but he hasn't been able to attend
[20:38] <stgraber> so we spent an hour working on wikipage, trying italc, ... :)
[20:38] <LaserJock> ah
[20:39] <dtrask_> italc needs serious work
[20:39] <stgraber> dtrask_: I can hear some noice from the speaker here but nothing I can understand
[20:39] <LaserJock> I don't quite understand the similarities/differences between italc and TCM
[20:39] <dtrask_> i know I'm waiting for something important
[20:40] <stgraber> ok
[20:40] <sbalneav> Are you following the gobby document?
[20:41] <stgraber> LaserJock: italc can more or less do the same as TCM but also with real desktop computers (not thin clients), windows computers, ...
[20:41] <stgraber> LaserJock: it's VNC seems better than the TCM one too (from what I saw after switching a classroom to it)
[20:45] <LaserJock> I see
[20:47] <stgraber> the point I like is also that we have an upstream we just patch, we are no longer the upstream for this one (but for that we need italc to do at least what TCM does)
[20:48] <stgraber> (and find a way to improve its UI which is just ... ugly ? :))
[20:48] <musashi1> sbalneav: i'm going to run the install again. i'll test and get you that info in a bit. one wierd issue - the on board broadcom eth was always identified as eth0 and the pci-e intel was eth1. on the reinstall they were switched. first time to see that and i've done for or five installs. normal?
[20:49] <stgraber> musashi1: that can depend of the order the BIOS detects the card or the time required to load the kernel modules, the ethX won't change afterwards as they are then assigned by MAC
[20:49] <stgraber> LaserJock: you can ask ogra1 about what he thinks of italc UI :)
[20:49] <dtrask_> LaserJock: Italc is OK....just looks like hell  ;-)  To cartoon like
[20:49]  * ogra1 shudders
[20:49]  * dtrask_ vomits
[20:50] <ogra1> dtrask_, its far from being "ok"
[20:50] <ogra1> there are lots of other issues
[20:50] <ogra1> (nothig unsolvable though)
[20:50]  * dtrask_ realizes ogra speaks the truth
[20:50] <stgraber> it's not really "easy" to install :)
[20:51] <LaserJock> so is it going to be easier to make italic better or TCM?
[20:52] <stgraber> italc has a nice roadmap with interesting features to come that I think we don't have time to implement (the problem is that we have nobody with time to work on TCM AFAIK)
[20:52] <sbalneav> musashi1: On the server?  I have no idea, that's a kernel/dbus issue.
[20:53] <LaserJock> what is italic written in?
[20:53] <LaserJock> is that the one that gambas or some such?
[20:53] <stgraber> C or C++, let me check
[20:54] <stgraber> http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roadmap <-- that's their current roadmap
[20:54] <LaserJock> so something sane anyway
[20:55] <LaserJock> hehe, looks like their wiki got hacked
[20:55] <stgraber> we should see how easy it would be to remove some stuff (like those annoying help bubbles) from the UI
[20:55] <stgraber> yes, I saw that too
[20:56] <ogra1> LaserJock, its *very* similar to TCM ...
[20:56] <stgraber> it's C++
[20:56] <ogra1> from what it offers
[20:56] <dtrask_> LaserJock: where is the "hack"
[20:56] <stgraber> dtrask_: their wikipage, at the top of the main page
[20:56] <musashi1> stgraber: well, it's just odd that it flips after so many installs the "other way". didn't know if it point to possible causes of problems or a problem itself.
[20:56] <sbalneav> stgraber: just out of curiosity, ogra and I were discussing your idea of taking the screen snapshots
[20:57] <dtrask_> LOL...found it
[21:05] <dtrask_> over and out
[21:30] <dtrask_>  /quit
[21:40] <bddebian> Heya
[21:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[21:48] <bddebian> Heya Kamping_Kaiser
[22:35] <jamiej> Any on help. I have installed ltsp on gutsy. When I try and login using ldm the screen just goes black and ldm just restarts. I have tried ltsp-update-sshkeys.
[23:24] <jamiej> I was on earlier my problem was ldm just went to a blank screen and restarted. I have now checked ldms log on the client and it reports that no xauth data anyone help please.


[03:55] <anna_> (23:50)== Encourage other members of your LoCo to join this channel by mentioning it on your wiki page or in your IRC channel's topic.
[05:25] <Kilos> morning all
[15:12] <Kilos> hi TaeheeJang
[15:13] <TaeheeJang> Kilos: hi Kilos!
[15:13] <Kilos> he says you didnt message him yet
[15:15] <TaeheeJang> oh that's weird. I sent hima message but he must not be able to check it. I will send it again to check himself.
[15:16] <Kilos> He hasn't sent me any messages, but he has added me ;)
[15:16] <TaeheeJang> yes me too. he also didn't check my message, but he accecpted my friend request.
[15:17] <Kilos> lol
[15:17] <Kilos> i dont use facebook often
[15:17] <Kilos> im an irc man
[15:19] <TaeheeJang> yes. but he doesn't join irc nowadays...
[15:19] <Kilos> ya he works during our daytime
[15:25] <TaeheeJang> oh I got his message and he's playing a game with his brother..
[15:25] <Kilos> lol
[15:25] <TaeheeJang> maybe he and I should talk each other tomorrow!
[15:25] <Kilos> ask him
[15:31] <TaeheeJang> yes I'm asking. he's playing the game torchlight2


[00:28] <tsingi> anyone here got a delta 1010?
[00:29] <rlameiro> i just have an Edirol
[00:30] <tsingi> I'm having trouble getting it set up.
[00:30] <tsingi> As in, I don't even know where to start.
[00:31] <rlameiro> well, it should be supported
[00:31] <rlameiro> did you tried with jack?
[00:31] <tsingi> I did run Jack, and envy24control.
[00:32] <rlameiro> well, check the settings at the envy24control
[00:32] <tsingi> I see it, I have a midi keyboard connected, but I don't get any feedback.
[00:32] <rlameiro> i readed that on #opensourcemusician that you could setup soemthings
[00:32] <tsingi> I'll take a look there.
[00:33] <tsingi> Thanks
[00:33] <rlameiro> well, my FA101 dont have problems, but the delta1010 its well supported on linux
[00:33] <rlameiro> tsingi: are you using ubuntustudio?
[00:33] <tsingi> I have that instaled, yes.
[00:34] <rlameiro> well, if you can stick around the channel
[00:34] <tsingi> I can certainly leave it open.
[00:34] <rlameiro> never now you can help someone :D
[00:34] <tsingi> :)
[00:34] <rlameiro> or have someone that has a delta and helpyou straight
[00:34] <tsingi> That's what I was hoping to find
[00:36] <rlameiro> tsingi: you know, normally the channel users arent always looking at it
[00:36] <rlameiro> if you stick around you usually get some answers
[00:36] <tsingi> yeah, that's standard
[00:36] <tsingi> I will be patient
[00:37] <rlameiro> normally takes more time to have support from comercial companies :D
[00:37] <rlameiro> if you want you can also hang around #opensourcemusicians
[00:37] <tsingi> Well, Linux is all I have, so that's not an option for me.
[00:37] <rlameiro> iits a linus music podcast
[00:37] <rlameiro> great people there
[00:39] <tsingi> hehe, works better with the 's' on the end, thanks rlameiro
[00:40] <rlameiro> tsingi: oops
[00:40] <holstein> tsingi: pipemanmusic over in #opensourcemusicans has a delta1010lt
[00:40] <tsingi> cool
[00:40] <rlameiro> yeah holstein, he is going home right now
[00:40] <holstein> yeah, hes not in right now
[00:40] <rlameiro> he should log in later
[00:40] <tsingi> he's not there right now, I will watch for him
[00:40] <holstein> BUT i know he likes it
[00:41] <rlameiro> and that works very well :D
[03:45] <lifestream> Does anyone know what this problem could be? I am editing a xfc GIMP image RBG mode. When I ctrl click, instead of selecting the color i just clicked on, it selects... black. Then, I try to paint, and it's black. No matter which color I try to ctrl click to pick, it is always black
[03:45] <holstein> lifestream: hey
[03:45] <holstein> are you sure its black?
[03:45] <holstein> and not just dark hues?
[03:46] <lifestream> Hmmm...  always 000000
[03:46] <holstein> w0w
[03:46] <holstein> that sucks
[03:46] <holstein> hmmm
[03:46] <lifestream> Aparently the problem is that I was trying to select the color from the wrong layer @_@
[03:46] <holstein> i guess that could be a GIMP bug
[03:47] <holstein> OH
[03:47] <holstein> that'll do it
[03:47] <lifestream> Odd.
[03:47]  * holstein is an audio guy :)
[03:47] <lifestream> :-)
[03:47] <lifestream> I'm used to photoshop, it picks the visible color, no need to change layers
[03:48] <holstein> have you checked out http://www.rawtherapee.com/
[03:48] <holstein> i havent ;)
[03:48] <holstein> but ive heard good things
[03:48] <holstein> like CMYK
[03:49] <holstein> http://www.sourcetrunk.com/
[03:49] <holstein> thats the review source for me
[03:50] <lifestream> No I hadn't heard of it :O  *looks around the site*
[03:50] <holstein> i think the guy said adobe lightroom-like
[03:50] <lifestream> Looks like it's mostly automated photo enhancing tool
[03:50] <lifestream> But it looks good.
[03:51] <lifestream> I'm looking for painting program though ^.^
[03:51] <lifestream> But that does look like a really nice photo editor :O
[03:51] <holstein> yeah, the GIMP just need to get CMYK going on
[03:52] <holstein> lifestream: you like inkscape?
[03:52] <holstein> the tutorials are nice in inkscape
[03:52] <holstein> its still a little over my head though
[03:53] <holstein> i just dont do much with graphics
[03:53] <lifestream> holstein,  I just do digital painting, I don't touch vector :P   Like oil painting, but digital  :p
[03:53] <holstein> COOL
[03:54] <lifestream> I love vector images though :-) Just better at painting myself
[04:00] <tsingi> lifestream: I love vector images too, I'm one of the authors of SVG
[04:00]  * lifestream bows deeply  to SVG god
[04:00] <tsingi> :) Thanks
[04:01] <lifestream> Absolutely love it when I see svg in Wikipedia, also use a few SVG wallpapers, it works really well
[04:01] <holstein> w00t tsingi
[04:01] <tsingi> ever play with InkScape?
[04:02] <tsingi> It's nice to see it used in WikiPedia, they have lots of good SVG there.
[04:02] <lifestream> Me? I have, but I am not good at creating SVG art.  My primary concern is taking my pencil drawn art, scanning to computer, then painting it digitally, because I cannot afford real painting tools :P
[04:05] <tsingi> I pretty much use it for engineering purposes.  I do life drawing, but I use paper too.
[04:06] <lifestream> Oh yes, and I'm too clumsy, so I can easily ruin hours of work in just one second :P
[04:06] <lifestream> Digital gives me backups ! :P
[04:06] <lifestream> So do you use inkscape for that?
[04:07] <tsingi> no, I generate it.
[04:07] <tsingi> lifestream: take a look at this, something fun my daughter sent me, not SVG: http://mrdoob.com/projects/harmony/#chrome
[04:07] <holstein> tsingi: w0w
[04:08] <lifestream> What programming?
[04:08] <tsingi> yeah
[04:08] <tsingi> Professionally, I write air traffic control software on Linux.
[04:08] <tsingi> I use SVG for sisplay tech.
[04:08] <tsingi> display
[04:09] <lifestream> is there supposed to be a picture there? must be missing fireofx plugin
[04:09] <tsingi> no, you have to draw it.
[04:09] <tsingi> it's a sketch pad app, lots of neat features.
[04:09] <lifestream> ohj really? *picks up wacom stylus* :D
[04:10] <tsingi> I have a wacom too
[04:10]  * holstein just got one
[04:10] <lifestream> LOL I just attempted to use the stylus to draw on the laptop trackpad:P
[04:10] <holstein> if i cant figure out what to do with it, im going to give it to someone who can :)
[04:10] <tsingi> I can't really use it either, hehe.
[04:10] <tsingi> I bought my daughter one, she uses it.
[04:11] <holstein> i plugged it into lucid
[04:11] <holstein> to see if it was supported
[04:11] <holstein> seemed like it was
[04:11] <lifestream> holstein,  you have a cool daughter :)
[04:11] <tsingi> wacom is supported in linux, but not that well I think.  She uses Mac/Windows mostly.
[04:11] <holstein> nah, thats tsingi 's daughter
[04:11] <tsingi> right, and she is cool.
[04:12] <lifestream> xD wrong name. was too busy drawing circles on that web page :P
[04:13] <tsingi> it'll save your image and bring it back next time you visit.
[04:13] <holstein> thats awesome
[04:13] <holstein> i gotta save that
[04:13] <tsingi> totally
[04:13] <holstein> its acting a little funny in chromium
[04:13] <holstein> i want to mess with it in FF sometime
[04:15] <lifestream> Gimp drives me nuts. Going to need a straight jacket.
[04:16] <tsingi> price is right
[04:16] <lifestream> Haha
[04:16] <holstein> its almost like it could be split up
[04:16] <holstein> into a few different apps
[04:16] <lifestream> I have Photoshop, but the waccom does not work with the layers, in linux
[04:16] <holstein> that integrate well with each other
[04:16] <tsingi> photoshop does rock, bit it costs a fortune.
[04:16] <holstein> OH
[04:17] <lifestream> Thankgod for student discount :P Got it when I could
[04:17] <holstein> that would be helpbul
[04:17] <holstein> helpful*
[04:17] <holstein> i run it on the EEE sometimes
[04:17] <holstein> its a mess
[04:18] <lifestream> What, photoshop/
[04:18] <lifestream> ?
[04:18] <tsingi> I think I'm done working on setting up this card, someone influenced me to buy beer, and now I don't feel like thinking.
[04:18] <tsingi> bed time anyway.
[04:18] <holstein> lifestream: hehe, nah.. the GIMP
[04:18] <lifestream> Ahhhh
[04:18] <holstein> GN tsingi
[04:19] <tsingi> I have no problems using the gimp, but my requirements are low.
[04:19] <lifestream> good ngiht tsingi :)
[04:19] <tsingi> night
[04:22] <lifestream> Hmm this poses a problem.
[04:22] <lifestream> Oh nvm :) gimp can save to psd. yayers
[06:13] <Blank__> assuming my copy of ubuntu studio 10.04 b2 isn't corrupted like i suspect, are there any nasties in the beta i should know about?
[06:27] <lifestream> Anyone have wacom working in photoshop under wine?
[06:53]  * adorabelle wonders when is the official 10.04 release
[14:13] <helo> i was trying to use amsynth with jack-rack, by attaching jack-rack into my audio output, and running amsynth into jack-rack, and then my midi controller into amsynth... but i didn't get any sound with the few effects i tried
[14:20] <AutoStatic> Screenshot of your Connections window of QjackCtl?
[14:21] <AutoStatic> Or maybe the output of jack_lsp ?
[14:21] <AutoStatic> In your case jack_lsp -c
[14:24] <helo> not at home now... so that should work?
[14:25] <helo> i can plug amsynth into audio-out instead of into jack-rack, and i get output
[14:25] <helo> but plugging amsynth into jack-rack into audio-out is silent
[14:26] <helo> is there a passthrough (no-effect) jack-rack effect?
[14:26] <helo> is that the result if i have no effects loaded?
[14:27] <AutoStatic> No, jack_lsp only lists the available jack ports and the -c option shows any connections
[14:28] <AutoStatic> And JACK-Rack without effects should let your sound through unaltered
[14:29]  * AutoStatic test out if that's correct
[14:34] <AutoStatic> Yeah, JACK Rack should pass through your sound unaltered when no effects are inserted
[14:35] <AutoStatic> I'm now running a VLC instance through JACK Rack
[14:38] <AutoStatic> And with or without effects, works well
[14:43] <helo> hmmm... ok, must be something else. thanks :)
[14:46] <AutoStatic> ok :)
[14:56] <rlameiro> back
[15:47] <lifestream> Anyone here have photoshop and wacom tablet working in photoshop? (i wont ask for help, just want to know your wine and photoshop version, if the wacom works)
[15:49] <AutoStatic> I have a Wacom tablet
[15:49] <AutoStatic> But no Photoshop
[15:49] <AutoStatic> So sorry, can't help you
[15:50] <lifestream> Yeah, the wacom works very well in linux, it's wine that's driving me nuts  :P
[15:50] <lifestream> When I use photoshop, then use the stylus to draw, I can see that it was used, because history shows  'brush' was used.
[15:51] <lifestream> But nothing actually draws on the canvas p
[15:51] <lifestream> ;p
[16:53] <_pg_> lifestream: what version ps are you using
[16:53] <lifestream> _pg_,  I'm using  ps CS (1)
[16:53] <_pg_> lifestream: wow! lol
[16:53] <lifestream> uuh
[16:54] <lifestream> youre seriously suggesting i pay to upgrade everytime there is a new ps,  but they dont work in linux? thatd be masochist, woudlnt  it
[16:58] <lifestream> why
[16:58] <lifestream> _pg_,  do you have wacom working with another version?
[17:04] <lifestream> i definitely  would not mind  upgrading, if it works with wacom in wine
[17:12] <_pg_> lifestream: no, I havent yet taken the leap of trying to get ps cs4 working. been too busy.
[17:12] <_pg_> lifestream: i wasnt saying you have to upgrade Im just wowing because that is old.
[17:12] <lifestream> ah
[17:13] <_pg_> lifestream: ive only used cs2 and later
[17:13] <lifestream> I just use it for painting, not some snazy 3d stuff, so the newer features are irrelevant to me, thats all :)
[17:15] <_pg_> lifestream: I would like to use GIMP-but I havent had time to learn so i just look aimlessly and dont know how to do anything
[17:15] <lifestream> ;p
[17:15] <lifestream> gimp drives me nuts.
[17:15] <lifestream> cant paint on transparent area
[17:16] <lifestream> gotta switch layers if using eye dropper.
[17:16] <lifestream> the 'scale'   bar  is either too small or too big :P
[17:16] <lifestream> so I keep making mistakes, and thats using gimp for many years
[17:23] <_pg_> lifestream: ever use inkscape?
[17:23] <_pg_> id like to be fluent there as well
[17:23] <lifestream> inkscape is for vectors
[17:30] <holstein> you guys know about the tutorials in inkscape?
[17:31] <_pg_> holstein: no
[17:31] <_pg_> lifestream: yeah, as an alternative to Ai
[17:32] <lifestream> _pg_,  i use raster not vector (vector would be useless)
[17:34] <holstein> _pg_: i think you get to them from the help menu
[17:34] <holstein> i'll have to install it in lucid here and make sure
[17:40] <holstein> _pg_: the tutorials are right in the help menu
[17:40] <holstein> i did the first few a while back
[17:40] <helo> is it possible to run multiple instances of amsynth, triggered by the same midi controller?
[17:40] <holstein> very helpful for me
[17:41] <holstein> helo: i have not tried AMsynth
[17:41] <holstein> but i have done that with many others
[17:41] <holstein> they should just stack up in JACK
[17:42] <holstein> like AMsynth_01 AMsynth_02
[17:42] <holstein> something like that
[17:42] <holstein> AND you can route the controller to whatever you want
[17:43] <helo> holstein: what do you use to create sound from midi in?
[17:44] <holstein> helo: i dont really have a 'regular'
[17:44] <helo> amsynth is just the first one i tried that worked without trouble
[17:44] <holstein> i dont do a lot of MIDI
[17:44] <holstein> almost exclusively analog
[17:44] <holstein> acoustic instruments
[17:44] <helo> qsynth requires me to find some soundfonts, which are all distributed online in some compressed format without linux support
[17:44] <holstein> BUT when i do, i try different synths
[17:45] <holstein> helo: i found some soundfonts
[17:45] <holstein> i forget where
[17:45] <_pg_> holstein: cool thanks for that
[17:45] <holstein> they were free in some sense of the word
[18:22] <holstein> helo: did you try http://soundfonts.homemusician.net/collections_soundfonts/hollywood_gm.html
[19:53] <helo> not yet, thanks :)
[23:53] <HowardtheDuck> hey
[23:55] <rlameiro> Jude


[00:23] <pizza_time> sample text
[00:24] <pizza_time> interesting IRC here
[02:09] <gimzmoe> anyone know how to get network control to reappear on the status notification panel items?
[02:10] <gimzmoe> mine disappeared a few days ago for reasons I can't figure out and I can't get it back
[07:23] <diogenes_> gimzmoe: nm-applet
[14:41] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I once used an app that shows time for several world regions / time zones. Whats the app called?
[14:41] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Im not sure it was xfce... is it a good idea to use kde apps on a xfce environment?
[14:48] <tomreyn> you should be able to use multiple clock applets, each using a different time zone.
[14:50] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/23218/how-to-add-a-custom-timezone-clock-to-an-xfce-panel
[14:51] <tomreyn> some of these suggestions are very old, may no longer apply (but then xfce doesn't move that much either)


[01:36] <mhall119> ahoneybun: just remember to voice your disagreement respectfully, let's not start a flame-war over a beta review
[07:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:58] <popey> morning
[13:46] <ahoneybun> mhall119: tbh even if I have someone else write he would still find it disrespectful
[13:57] <mhall119> ahoneybun: then maybe it's best not to write a response post, but instead just promote Kubuntu on your own
[13:59] <ahoneybun> maybe
[19:30] <wxl> popey: mhall119: got a bit of a problem. something came up and i can't make lfnw. my hotel room was going to house ahoneybun and tsimonq2, but now that's not going to happen. can you divert my request for funds to ahoneybun so that he can get the hotel room?
[20:20] <mhall119> wxl: was the room not booked yet?
[20:20] <wxl> mhall119: i do have it reserved
[20:21] <mhall119> has Claire emailed you to transfer the money? If so, please let her know and tell her she can confirm with me or popey if needed
[20:21] <wxl> no
[20:21] <mhall119> ok, I'll make a note in our tracking spreadsheet for her
[20:21] <wxl> thank you
[20:22] <wxl> i'll work with the hotel to switch names