[00:00] <HmpfCBR> I do not know, there was for some time some home brewn python script, but that caused a lot of trouble and was ditched, if I recall correctly. Now all goes via kpackagekit I think.
[00:01] <anoneemouse> RadSurfer: software updates are now built into kpackagekit...
[00:01] <Seipher> any chance i could get some help trying to install nvidia driver?
[00:01] <anoneemouse> the updates always just launched a part of kpackagekit anyway iirc
[00:01] <anoneemouse> Seipher: look for a driver in apt
[00:02] <Seipher> aptitude?
[00:02] <anoneemouse> i used to install the driver manually but it would break everytime my kernel upgraded
[00:02] <anoneemouse> packagekit
[00:02] <HmpfCBR> Seipher: or you go to KMenu -> Applications -> System -> Additional Drivers
[00:02] <anoneemouse> if you dont find one you might find a ppa that you can add on launchpad
[00:03] <Seipher> i went to nvidias site
[00:03] <Seipher> there is a linux driver there... but it says to use the systems if its available
[00:04] <anoneemouse> Seipher: what driver does your model use
[00:04] <anoneemouse> if its a new card you can just install nvidia-current
[00:04] <HmpfCBR> anoneemouse: normally jockey detects that by itself
[00:05] <anoneemouse> jockey...
[00:05]  * anoneemouse shudders
[00:05] <Seipher> yah
[00:05] <anoneemouse> that thing bit me in 9.10
[00:05] <Seipher> it uses version 260.19.12
[00:05] <Seipher> its the newest nvidia card available
[00:05] <Seipher> i just did the applications add hardware devices or whatever
[00:05] <anoneemouse> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[00:06] <Seipher> gonna restart
[00:06] <Seipher> hmm
[00:07] <Seipher> kk brb in a few thanks
[00:12] <Seipher> woot
[00:12] <Seipher> worked
[00:12] <Seipher> thanks
[00:13] <Seipher> now to get my 2nd monitor configured
[00:32] <TSK> Howdy, y'all. Has anyone else been havin' problems with applications crashing/segfaulting with malloc/memory corruption errors since upgrading to Maverick?
[00:34] <anoneemouse> nope... all fine and dandy here
[00:35] <TSK> Hmmm...  I'm havin' troubles getting Blender game engine, XBMC, and Boxee to run since upgrading to Maverick.
[00:35] <TSK> Possibly other software, but those are the ones I've found thus far.
[00:37] <anoneemouse> i have boxee installed... let me see if mine works
[00:41] <anoneemouse> hmmm
[00:41] <anoneemouse> it didnt run
[00:41] <anoneemouse> let me try it from konsole
[00:42] <osiristhevirus> Sup
[00:43] <anoneemouse> TSK: I get another error: /opt/boxee/Boxee: error while loading shared libraries: libfaad.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[00:43] <osiristhevirus> Snyone know anything about setting up kubuntu so my 360 can see my media files??
[00:43] <anoneemouse> osiristhevirus:  get a ps3 :D
[00:44] <osiristhevirus> I just sold my ps3 I didnt like it
[00:44] <anoneemouse> ps3 supports standard media streaming...
[00:44] <anoneemouse> i dont know about 360
[00:44] <osiristhevirus> the 360 does too
[00:45] <osiristhevirus> But in windows I used umm tversity
[00:45] <osiristhevirus> or WMP
[00:45] <anoneemouse> yeah... i was just going to say tversity
[00:45] <anoneemouse> im sure there is a linux equivalent
[00:45] <TSK> anoneemouse: Aye.  My Boxee bombs out brutally, too.  Am in chat with the XBMC devs right now about the crash in XBMC.  Probably related.  :)
[00:45] <osiristhevirus> but they dont have tversity for linux lol ive been looking around for a few days now.
[00:47] <anoneemouse> osiristhevirus: try looking here: http://www.ps3news.com/forums/ps3-linux-news/dlna-media-server-linux-ps3-streaming-76584.html
[00:47] <anoneemouse> your looking for a dlna streaming app for linux
[00:49] <osiristhevirus> yeah ive been trying to figure out how to get mediatomb to work lol
[00:49] <anoneemouse> apparently it needs a multicast address on the network
[00:50] <anoneemouse> on your linux box even
[00:50] <osiristhevirus> Yeah..  This is well above my head lol
[00:50] <osiristhevirus> LoL.  I guess I shoulda dual booted *laugh*
[00:51] <anoneemouse> i dont know if this would work at all... but what about running tversity through wine
[00:51] <anoneemouse> its a long shot... but who knoes
[00:51] <anoneemouse> *knows
[00:51] <osiristhevirus> Hmmm
[01:01] <Seipher> does kubuntu support dual monitors even
[01:03] <RadSurfer> I need to know how to tweak via Terminal the screen display size! Kubuntu FAILS to set the proper screen size
[01:18] <RadSurfer> I need to know how to tweak via Terminal the screen display size! Kubuntu FAILS to set the proper screen size
[01:18] <RadSurfer> something about "manually saving a session", but all I see is a checkbox to re-call that
[01:19] <Kamawasaki> y a t'il du français dans le coin ?
[01:19] <bazhang> !fr | Kamawasaki
[01:19] <Kamawasaki> ok dsl je savais pas
[01:22] <KimLaRoux> I winz!
[01:22] <KimLaRoux> Moving a working kubuntu system from one hard drive to another using tar, it works!
[01:22] <KimLaRoux> woots
[01:32] <RadSurfer> ie. it worked this time.
[01:32] <RadSurfer> Wish Kubuntu had good sense to REMEMBER display settings.
[01:35] <RadSurfer> does ANYONE know what to edit to get Kubuntu to use PROPER display settings? Used to Xorg.conf or somesuch
[01:35] <KimLaRoux> do you have a nvidia card?
[01:36] <RadSurfer> Not sure what it is; but on TWO different boxes I have the exact IDENTICAL problem: Screen Size is NOT remembered
[01:36] <RadSurfer> apparently, LOTS of people complain about same issue in (K)ubuntu
[01:36] <RadSurfer> Surely, there must be a file that can be hand-edited to FIX this!
[01:37] <RadSurfer> what stupid idiot thought to have Screen settings always use MAXIMUM resolution anyway!
[01:37] <prower> hello :> i'm having an unusual problem with dosbox in kde (maverick) that i didn't have with gnome...occasionally when started the mouse will no longer move at all, and i need to both log out _and_ restart the x server to get it to work again :< has anyone else seen that?
[01:37] <KimLaRoux> yelling is probably not the best way to... oh just nevermind, insulting people wont help, you know
[01:38] <RadSurfer> It is the only worse problem I have yet to solve. :-)
[01:38] <RadSurfer> there is an X11 directory.
[01:38] <RadSurfer> Sure something in there must reflect what must be "tweaked"
[01:39] <RadSurfer> since I have 2 boxes, I can experiment on 1
[01:39] <KimLaRoux> Do you even know what type of graphic processor you have?
[01:40] <RadSurfer> there must be a terminal utility I can run that would help ID it.
[01:40] <RadSurfer> It's an old box; no telling whats in there.
[01:40] <RadSurfer> works fine. provided I _manually_ set resolution @ each boot.
[01:41] <RadSurfer> was nice when you could just edit Xorg.conf or whatever it was
[01:42] <KimLaRoux> try  #sudo lshw -c video
[01:42] <RadSurfer> why wouldn't it REMEMBER system-settings in the first place anyway? valid ques.
[01:42] <KimLaRoux> this should list the type of graphic card you have
[01:43] <RadSurfer> output -->  product: NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]
[01:43] <KimLaRoux> Ah!
[01:43] <KimLaRoux> great
[01:43] <KimLaRoux> have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[01:43] <RadSurfer> Nope.
[01:43] <KimLaRoux> why not?
[01:43] <RadSurfer> Scary stuff for us novices :-)
[01:43] <KimLaRoux> nah
[01:43] <KimLaRoux> you have kubuntu 10.04?
[01:44] <RadSurfer> Yes.
[01:44] <RadSurfer> 10.10 doesn't like my old box apparently.
[01:44] <KimLaRoux> go to Applications > System > Additional Drivers
[01:44] <RadSurfer> say what dude?
[01:45] <KimLaRoux> in the system menu... like window's start menu
[01:45] <RadSurfer> "applications"?
[01:45] <RadSurfer> I don't think we're on same page yet.
[01:45] <RadSurfer> I'm sorry.
[01:45] <KimLaRoux> it's the second tabs in the menu, no?
[01:46] <RadSurfer> Ok I see now.
[01:46] <KimLaRoux> =)
[01:46] <RadSurfer> that last item does not exist here. 'Additional Drivers'
[01:46] <KimLaRoux> =O
[01:46] <RadSurfer> Application -> System, has not 'A' items
[01:47] <KimLaRoux> it might be hidden somewhere else in the application tab... this menu is a mess
[01:47] <RadSurfer> 1st item starts with 'D'
[01:47] <KimLaRoux> it could be under Settings
[01:47] <KimLaRoux> or Utilities
[01:47] <RadSurfer> you're guessing. but thats for trying.
[01:47] <KimLaRoux> oh and btw, apps are not always listed by name
[01:47] <KimLaRoux> might be hiden lower in the list
[01:47] <RadSurfer> utility does not deal with Hardware issues
[01:48] <RadSurfer> ahah!
[01:48] <RadSurfer> typing "drivers" into search box says "Hardware Drivers" <-- helps to recognize that
[01:49] <RadSurfer> Ok, thats running. :)
[01:50] <RadSurfer> "graphics drivers version 96" recommended/not activated.
[01:50] <KimLaRoux> yay!
[01:50] <KimLaRoux> is there only one?
[01:50] <RadSurfer> only 1 listed,yes.  Thank you for being patient.
[01:50] <KimLaRoux> =)
[01:50] <KimLaRoux> activate it
[01:50] <RadSurfer> Gulp.
[01:50] <KimLaRoux> it should install Nvidia's drivers
[01:50] <KimLaRoux> it's all automatic =P
[01:50] <RadSurfer> Not right now. I know how to find this.
[01:51] <RadSurfer> I will do smart thing: backup critical things, then consider running this.
[01:51] <RadSurfer> me thinks, I will perform this operation on my #2 box first, to learn what to expect.
[01:51] <RadSurfer> just a moment.
[01:52] <KimLaRoux> well, once this is installed, you should then have a application named "nvidia x server settings" or something similar in your Settings menu
[01:52] <KimLaRoux> this application is just like Nvidia driver settings in windows; it writes the right settings where they should
[01:54] <RadSurfer> KimLaRoux: http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/7125/nvidiadriver.png
[01:54] <RadSurfer> dah-ta :-)
[01:55] <RadSurfer> me go see if this ruins #2 box now.
[01:57] <RadSurfer> Hmmm. Box #2 has that dialog box: _empty_.  Well pooh.
[01:58] <KimLaRoux> that sucks
[01:58] <RadSurfer> I still hate to think that Ku can't remember my screen size! only major issue I have now.
[01:58] <KimLaRoux> have you tried #sudo lshw -c video?
[01:58] <RadSurfer> I got filesharing to work between both boxes, and everything!
[01:58] <RadSurfer> on #2 yet? no
[01:01] <RadSurfer> KimLaRoux: Box2 says: product: 82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC)
[01:01] <KimLaRoux> eh
[01:01] <KimLaRoux> that's old
[01:02] <RadSurfer> obviously why 10.10 barfs.  Yet 10.04 has little problems by comparison.
[01:02] <KimLaRoux> 10.10 is still young
[01:02] <RadSurfer> also, thats da integrated motherboard video obviously
[01:02] <KimLaRoux> I too have a few problems with it
[01:03] <RadSurfer> I'd love to have a modern PC, but can't afford one.
[01:03] <RadSurfer> We make do, you know. :-)
[01:09] <smooph> hey anybody know how i can allow access to a truecrypt mounted disk to another user ?
[01:10] <smooph> following problem I run kubuntu (user1) it has the mythtv backend running
[01:10] <KimLaRoux> give it the key?
[01:11] <smooph> which runs as user2 ...  when I decrypt the disk I do that on the desktop using user1 probelm is user2 the backend cannot access the disk
[01:11] <smooph> KimLaRoux: what?
[01:13] <mirbot> hello
[01:13] <mirbot> my touchpad died
[01:13] <mirbot> i turned it off to type and when i turned it back on everything froze
[01:14] <mirbot> some how i fixed the frozen issue but now i am forced to use the touchscreen and wacom pen
[01:14] <mirbot> and wait this is freenode?!?!
[01:15] <Mir_ppc> \o/
[01:18] <Mir_ppc> i have betrayed my comrads and went with the buntu D:
[01:18] <Mir_ppc> but it work
[01:18] <Mir_ppc> ^^
[01:19]  * Mir_ppc glares at a [daemon]
[01:19] <Mir_ppc> you too betrayed the geeko?
[01:56] <smooph> anybody know how I can mount a truecrypt disk so it can be accessed by 2 users
[02:14] <davesnothere> So....I installed GNOME Do on my 10.10 MM kubuntu box, and started having crash problems.
[02:14] <davesnothere> I miss Quicksilver, but not enough to have the crash problems.
[02:17] <Moult> need somebody who uses multiple languages in kubuntu to help test this and provide feedback: http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea91158_page1
[03:16] <constanza_> Pagina En Español, Esclavos Por Favor.....!!!
[03:17] <constanza_> Nceesito la pagina en español para hacer una pregunta sobre como ejecutar Kubuntu 10.10 en Ktorrent en ....!!!
[03:26] <yeris> hola
[03:30] <constanza_> Hola Yeris
[03:32] <yeris> como stas??
[03:33] <Kalidarn> !Spanish constanza_
[03:33] <serenity> hi
[03:33] <yeris> dhello
[03:33] <yeris> hello
[03:33] <serenity> while updating this happens to me http://pastebin.ca/1977735
[03:33] <Kalidarn> bleh not sure how the language bot works
[03:33] <yeris> how r u??
[03:34] <serenity> depmod wants to update grub, but it can't
[03:34] <Kalidarn> serenity: what are you trying to do
[03:35] <serenity> Kalidarn: just a normal update of my machine
[03:35] <serenity> apt-get update, dist-upgrade
[03:35] <Kalidarn> hmm
[03:35] <constanza_> bien Yeris, medio bienn
[03:35] <serenity> all went fine, except the kernel/grub
[03:35] <constanza_> necesito de tu ayuda
[03:36] <serenity> and if i reboot, i will end up in a black screen i fear
[03:39] <Kalidarn> constanza_: ask in kubuntu-es
[03:39] <Kalidarn> bleh how do u get the language bot
[03:39] <Kalidarn> to tell people to go to their locale
[03:39] <Kalidarn> i forget
[03:39] <serenity> , spanish
[03:40] <serenity_> re
[03:41] <serenity> so, anyone an idea about fixing grub?
[03:43] <moetunes> !es
[03:43] <moetunes> !grub2
[03:43] <Kalidarn> ah :P
[03:43] <Kalidarn> someone finally got it
[03:43] <moetunes> I've had it for a while :)
[03:44] <serenity> moetunes: but my problem isn't listed there
[03:46] <moetunes> serenity:  have you tried running   sudo update-grub   ?
[03:46] <serenity> yes
[03:46] <moetunes> and ?
[03:47] <serenity>  /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: not a directory.
[03:47] <serenity> same there
[03:47] <moetunes> k
[03:54] <moetunes> serenity:  your grub.cfg file is in the dir /boot/grub/  right?
[04:08] <Seipher> mk
[04:09] <Seipher> so how do you make your wallpaper stretch across both your monitors
[04:09] <Seipher> lol
[04:09] <Seipher> been searching for 20min
[04:11] <Kalidarn> mmm good question it's been a long time since i've had two monitors
[04:11] <Kalidarn> they don't fit on my table anymore since i bought a 30" Dell
[04:11] <Seipher> hehe nice
[04:12] <Seipher> yah i have a 24" and 23" side by side
[04:12] <Kalidarn> but i would like to know for my work machine
[04:12] <Seipher> linux at work eh :)
[04:12] <Seipher> must not be american?
[04:12] <Kalidarn> :( they didn't want to buy me one
[04:12] <Seipher> don't think i have ever seen linux on a work station here
[04:12] <Kalidarn> lol
[04:12] <Kalidarn> this is concerning
[04:12] <Seipher> haha its truth
[04:12] <Kalidarn> when i go into plugins
[04:13] <Kalidarn> in kopete
[04:13] <Kalidarn> my webcam lights up
[04:13] <Seipher> well don't get nekad
[04:13] <Kalidarn> in the OTR configuration
[04:13] <Kalidarn> lol true
[04:13] <Kalidarn> it works really well actually
[04:13] <Kalidarn> the auto lighting and shit doesn't go all laggy like it used to
[04:14] <Kalidarn> i used to hate the fact that i had a quickcam 9000 decent camera but with generic UVC driver it was balls
[04:14] <Kalidarn> because on windows it could use that ritelight thing and also autofocus
[04:15] <Seipher> hmmm
[04:15] <Seipher> i havn't had a cam in a long time
[04:15] <Kalidarn> hmm can't reproduce that bug regarding the webcam so meh
[04:16] <Kalidarn> i wonder i i can get kopete running on windows
[04:16] <Kalidarn> as part of windows.kde.org
[04:16] <Seipher> i was just thinking about that with the music player
[04:16] <Seipher> amarok
[04:16] <Kalidarn> lol true amarok and kopete are awesome
[04:16] <Seipher> so true
[04:16] <Kalidarn> pidgin shits me because of the fact it's GTK+ and that blows
[04:16] <Seipher> i have always used trillion on windows though
[04:17] <Kalidarn> and also the fact that they REFUSE to store their logs as XML
[04:17] <Seipher> and it is pretty much the same as kopete
[04:17] <Kalidarn> time and time again bugs have been opened on the pidgin tracker
[04:17] <Kalidarn> adium is much nicer but it's osx only :P
[04:17] <Kalidarn> i hate gtk it likes a lot of balls
[04:18] <Kalidarn> every time i have to use wireshark or gimp it annoys me because it wants to run an X11 server
[04:18] <Seipher> yah this is my first day to actually be somewhat using liinux
[04:18] <Seipher> your speaking greek
[04:19] <Kalidarn> i used to be a massive gnome whore pretty much round 2.18+ because KDE 4.0-4.2 i found unusable, and 4.3 i found annoying
[04:19] <Seipher> i can't even find what folder the wallpapers are saved too
[04:19] <Kalidarn> also amarok 2 sucked a lot too but now it's awesome
[04:19] <Seipher> what version of kde are we on now?
[04:19] <Kalidarn> hmm, they're in the kde folder
[04:19] <Kalidarn> 4.5
[04:19] <Seipher> ahhh
[04:19] <Kalidarn> and its nice now :P
[04:19] <Seipher> i am actually amazed
[04:19] <Seipher> i mean
[04:19] <Kalidarn> also someone got their act together and made a decent Qt irc client
[04:19] <Seipher> this thing is doing what windows 7 can do and more so far
[04:20] <Kalidarn> ive been trying quassel out, i hope it becomes 'the next xchat'
[04:20] <Seipher> i can't play my games though so i did a dual boot
[04:20] <Kalidarn> yeah i have two ssds, a windows one and a linux one
[04:20] <Kalidarn> so rebooting for me takes about 20 seconds.
[04:20] <Seipher> hehe yah i have a x-25 160gb
[04:20] <Kalidarn> i just like to use the same software on both OSes
[04:21] <Seipher> intel
[04:21] <Kalidarn> nice Seipher bet that set you back
[04:21] <Kalidarn> how much ? :D
[04:21] <Seipher> 400
[04:21] <Seipher> newegg.com
[04:21] <Kalidarn> mm
[04:21] <Seipher> honestly though
[04:21] <Kalidarn> i paid $450 for a OCZ Vertex 1
[04:21] <Kalidarn> but that was like a year or so ago
[04:21] <Seipher> yah was about to say
[04:21] <Kalidarn> AU
[04:21] <Seipher> i just saw the OCZ
[04:21] <Seipher> speeds are twice that of intel
[04:21] <Kalidarn> i bought a OCZ Vertex 2 like the other week
[04:21] <Kalidarn> it was $315 dollars :)
[04:21] <Kalidarn> faster and cheaper
[04:21] <Seipher> like 260read and 150+ something write
[04:21] <Seipher> yah
[04:22] <Kalidarn> yeah
[04:22] <Kalidarn> its liek 275
[04:22] <Seipher> i like the warranty / stability of intel though
[04:22] <Kalidarn> OCZ get really good reviews too
[04:22] <Kalidarn> they're on par with intel i'd say
[04:22] <Seipher> i do have to say
[04:22] <Seipher> i would have considered the OCZ
[04:22] <Kalidarn> ive read heaps of ssd roundups and they rate very high
[04:22] <Seipher> had i seen the speeds pre-purchase
[04:22] <Kalidarn> especially with the garbage collection algorthm
[04:22] <Seipher> trim
[04:22] <Seipher> yah
[04:22] <Seipher> win 7 comes with TRIM
[04:22] <Kalidarn> all new ssds from OCZ vertex2+ use the sandforce controllers
[04:22] <Seipher> pretty sweet
[04:23] <Kalidarn> yeah
[04:23] <Kalidarn> so does linux
[04:23] <Seipher> WHAT!
[04:23] <Seipher> lol
[04:23] <Kalidarn> make sure you put discard in your fstab
[04:23] <Seipher> yah again.. that was greek
[04:23] <Kalidarn> and use EXT4
[04:23] <Kalidarn> greek?
[04:23] <Seipher> i did use ext4 on the install
[04:23] <Kalidarn> yes u have to do it manually
[04:23] <Kalidarn> also
[04:23] <FloodBotK2> Kalidarn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:23] <Kalidarn> make sure your partitions are aligned
[04:23] <Kalidarn> you want a 1MiB unallocated space before each partition
[04:23] <Seipher> hmm
[04:23] <Kalidarn> windows 7 does it automatically ubuntu does not
[04:24] <Seipher> yah
[04:24] <Kalidarn> it helps with wear leveling with large files
[04:24] <Seipher> i followed some install guide on ubuntu.com
[04:24] <Kalidarn> yeah i found a lot of guides
[04:24] <Kalidarn> a lot go into a lot of stuff u dont need to do
[04:24] <Seipher> created 2 ext4 and 1swap
[04:24] <Kalidarn> i use the NOOP scheduler too
[04:24] <Seipher> don't even know what the swap is
[04:24] <Kalidarn> as i think its better than CFQ for SSDs
[04:24] <Kalidarn> http://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/01/paragon-alignment-tool-increases-disk-performance-and-ssd-longevity/
[04:25] <Seipher> hmmm
[04:25] <Kalidarn> that's why you should align your partitions its easy to do with a gparted install disc
[04:25] <Kalidarn> also you want to use GPT because GPT is cool
[04:25] <Seipher> haha
[04:25] <Seipher> yah they said to use gpt
[04:25] <Kalidarn> http://www.johnlewis.ie/a-note-about-ssds-and-partition-alignment/
[04:25] <Kalidarn> http://www.johnlewis.ie/converting-to-gpt-in-ubuntu/
[04:25] <Kalidarn> it makes it easier
[04:25] <Kalidarn> that said you cannot use GPT if you dual boot
[04:25] <Seipher> gonna bookmark these
[04:25] <Kalidarn> i would not dual boot off a SSD
[04:26] <Kalidarn> because i do not think TRIM can work across partitions
[04:26] <Seipher> i put grub in the MBR of the ssd
[04:26] <Kalidarn> and it can't hardly TRIM a filesystem it cannot understand
[04:26] <Seipher> but Linux on a 250gb hdd seagate i grabed from work
[04:26] <Kalidarn> also SSDs are fairly small so use 1 SSD per OS
[04:26] <Seipher> yah i just put win 7 on my ssd
[04:26] <Kalidarn> OCZ also have excellent community support
[04:26] <Kalidarn> http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?54379-Linux-Tips-tweaks-and-alignment&p=472998&viewfull=1#post472998
[04:27] <Kalidarn> http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/other/157 this helps you verify alignment
[04:27] <Kalidarn> http://pastebin.com/4e8kcnum
[04:27] <Kalidarn> wait that's in sectors
[04:28] <Seipher> just bookmarked those
[04:28] <Kalidarn> http://pastebin.com/P4UER0Zk
[04:28] <Seipher> thats a lot of reading to do
[04:28] <Kalidarn> notice if you plug those bytes into the calculator
[04:28] <Kalidarn> it says they are aligned
[04:29] <Kalidarn> although it doesn't show it there's a 1MiB or 1048576 gap
[04:29] <Kalidarn> between each partition that's 2048 sectors
[04:29] <Kalidarn> http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?57599-RAID-Non-RAID-Partition-Alignment-for-max-performance that's also a good read
[04:29] <Seipher> hehe to much info to fast!
[04:30] <Kalidarn> http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=107126 :P
[04:30] <Kalidarn> i spent hours researching
[04:30] <Kalidarn> because there's tonnes of old info
[04:30] <Seipher> i can see that
[04:30] <Seipher> im just bookmarking left and right
[04:30] <Kalidarn> you do not need any scripts
[04:31] <Kalidarn> also Seipher http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6844478&postcount=5
[04:31] <KimLaRoux> meh
[04:31] <Kalidarn> that one tells you how to configure NOOP on your SSD while using CFQ on other disks
[04:31] <KimLaRoux> I just found another thing that does not work in 10.10 but worked fine in 10.04
[04:31] <moetunes> !bugs
[04:31] <Kalidarn> Seipher: that's probably most relevant to setting up TRIM http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1596214 on ubuntu
[04:31] <KimLaRoux> you can't drag select tracks in amarok, it resizes the window -_-'
[04:32] <Seipher> im actually using the ubuntu 10.04 server lts
[04:32] <Kalidarn> also Seipher you might ask "how can i test TRIM is working" well here's the answer to that http://pastebin.com/MrNMGsMD
[04:33] <Seipher> because i was hoping i could figure out how to set up my own ftp / web host / a=
[04:33] <Seipher> sweet
[04:33] <Kalidarn> as you can see there i created a test file, i read the sectors then i deleted the file read the sectors (they were still filled) then i synced and they all changed to 0000 0000 0000 0000
[04:33] <Kalidarn> that should get you started :)
[04:33] <Seipher> lol started
[04:34] <Kalidarn> ssds have a few caveats and if you do not look after them they wear out quicker ^_^ but they are new technology especially in linux
[04:34] <Seipher> quite the intro
[04:34] <Kalidarn> infact windows 7 is pretty much the best OS when it comes to SSDs
[04:34] <Kalidarn> as they've set it up to do everything automatically
[04:34] <Seipher> agred
[04:34] <Seipher> agreed*
[04:34] <Kalidarn> that's one thing microsoft has got right
[04:34] <Kalidarn> you might hear people say to disable journaling, don't do that
[04:34] <Kalidarn> it's not necessary and it's stupid
[04:35] <Kalidarn> unless you have a UPS
[04:35] <Seipher> i have a UPS
[04:35] <Seipher> hehe
[04:35] <Kalidarn> then i guess you could get away with it ^_^
[04:35] <Seipher> not sure what journaling is anyway :)
[04:35] <Kalidarn> EXT3 and EXT4 have it
[04:35] <Seipher> gotcha
[04:35] <Seipher> oh wait
[04:35] <Kalidarn> it helps the filesystem know what it was doing if there's a sudden power failure
[04:35] <Seipher> i think i remember seeing that when i installed linux
[04:35] <Seipher> was an option
[04:36] <Kalidarn> yeah it's a filesystem
[04:36] <Seipher> yah
[04:36] <Kalidarn> but only EXT4 seems to work with TRIM when you add the discard option to fstab
[04:36] <Kalidarn> also you might need ubuntu 10.10
[04:36] <Seipher> fstab?
[04:36] <Kalidarn> because you need a newer kernel
[04:36] <Kalidarn>  /etc/fstab
[04:36] <Kalidarn> it's in that last pastebin what you need.
[04:37] <Seipher> type that in terminal?
[04:37] <Seipher> /etc/fstab?
[04:37] <Kalidarn> UUID=7225aad3-aa04-4594-b1ca-aea56116873d /               ext4 errors=remount-ro,noatime,discard 0       1
[04:37] <Kalidarn> it's a configuration file so "nano /etc/fstab"
[04:38] <Kalidarn> you need to put the ,discard option there noatime is probably a good idea too
[04:38] <Kalidarn> it's automatically generated when you install ubuntu, but it does not know to put ,discard there because you have a SSD
[04:38] <Seipher> not sure if its necessary since i have linux on my 250gb hdd
[04:38] <Kalidarn> it's not
[04:39] <Seipher> my sdd just has the MBR that points to linux
[04:39] <Kalidarn> then it's only necessary if linux is installed ON a ssd :)
[04:39] <Seipher> sdd = ssd*
[04:39] <Kalidarn> i had my windows 7 on a ssd and linux on a normal disk, but it felt so bad
[04:39] <Seipher> actually both works
[04:39] <Seipher> solid disk drive
[04:39] <Kalidarn> windows being so fast, and everything else being so slow
[04:39] <Seipher> haha
[04:39] <Seipher> yah
[04:39] <Seipher> well linux is so small
[04:39] <Kalidarn> so i bought a second one
[04:39] <Seipher> its running really well
[04:39] <FloodBotK2> Seipher: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:39] <Seipher> on a regular hdd
[04:40] <Kalidarn> yeah but i don't recommend using partitioning and having two OSes on a ssd
[04:40] <Seipher> yah its seperated
[04:40] <Kalidarn> because as i said TRIM works with the kernel and it cannot work if it can't read the filesystem (and even if it can i dont think it works across partitions)
[04:40] <Seipher> windows 7 is on my intel ssd and linux on seagate 250gb hdd
[04:40] <Kalidarn> so thats why you have 3 partitions a teeny tiny small 100MB one for /boot and the rest for /
[04:40] <Kalidarn> maybe a swap one but my swap never gets used as i have 6GB of RAM
[04:40] <Seipher> ahhh is that what swap was for
[04:41] <Seipher> lol i have 6gb of ram as well
[04:41] <Seipher> thats why it wanted 1gb for swap file
[04:41] <Seipher> swap must be virtual memory
[04:41] <moetunes> yep
[04:41] <Kalidarn> it's used when you run out of RAM
[04:41] <Seipher> yah
[04:41] <KimLaRoux> Right, and now Amarok crashed on me
[04:42] <Seipher> same as virtual memory in windows
[04:42] <Kalidarn> KimLaRoux: what were you doing with it?
[04:42] <Kalidarn> when it crashed
[04:42] <KimLaRoux> I started typing "nir..." in the search box of my library
[04:42] <Kalidarn> hmm okay
[04:42] <KimLaRoux> and it crashed while I was typing oO
[04:42] <Kalidarn> that isn't good :)
[04:42] <Kalidarn> install amarok-dbg
[04:42] <KimLaRoux> it's like, the first time EVER that amarok crashes on me
[04:43] <Kalidarn> i do know a way to make it crash ;)
[04:43] <KimLaRoux> oh cool, how does this debug tool works?
[04:43] <Kalidarn> have a huge collection and on a network filesystem
[04:43] <Kalidarn> and close ;)
[04:43] <Kalidarn> it will destroy a thread that is being used :D
[04:43] <Kalidarn> but it's been fixed
[04:43] <Kalidarn> in the git version which im using
[04:44] <Seipher> lol
[04:44] <Seipher> ok
[04:44] <Seipher> so i notice if i mouse wheel up and down i change between desktops
[04:45] <Kalidarn> KimLaRoux:  just digging up the page
[04:45] <Kalidarn> its quite easy to debug KDE applications
[04:46] <Seipher> hmm
[04:47] <KimLaRoux> thanks for the tip
[04:48] <Kalidarn> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Debugging_%28documentation%29
[04:48] <Kalidarn> that's the amarok one
[04:48] <Kalidarn> there's a "meaningful backtrace" one too
[04:49] <Seipher> do you use quassel for irc?
[04:49] <Kalidarn> yeah i just switched over to it it's nice
[04:49] <Kalidarn> and it's multi platform too, windows linux macosx etc
[04:50] <Seipher> oh nice
[04:50] <Kalidarn> not as fully featured other clients but it seems the developers have thought it out
[04:50] <Seipher> its kind of bland
[04:50] <Seipher> but im sure they have skins for it
[04:50] <Kalidarn> with having a core a client
[04:50] <Kalidarn> you can customise the colours to whatever you want
[04:50] <Seipher> figures
[04:50] <Seipher> so under amorak
[04:50] <Seipher> can't figure out how to see my other hard drives
[04:51] <Seipher> i have a 2tb drive with music
[04:53] <Kalidarn> is it mounted Seipher?
[04:53] <Seipher> haha probably not
[04:53] <Kalidarn> if it's a NTFS disk you will need NTFS-3G
[04:53] <Seipher> i use all ntfs
[04:53] <Kalidarn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:54] <Kalidarn> The ntfs-3g packages comes pre-installed in currently supported versions of Ubuntu and most NTFS devices should work out of the box without further configuration.
[04:54] <Seipher> well then i should have ntfs-3g with 10.04?
[04:54] <Kalidarn> yep
[04:54] <Kalidarn> so u can just install ntfs-config
[04:55] <Seipher> now to open it! lol
[04:55] <Seipher> found it
[04:55] <Kalidarn> or if u know what label it is
[04:55] <Kalidarn> ie do fdisk -l
[04:55] <Kalidarn> then ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[04:56] <Kalidarn> and then put in the fstab entry for it
[04:56] <Seipher> yah i read about labeling of linux
[04:56] <Seipher> but... i can't remember it all in 1 read
[04:56] <Kalidarn> yah that UUID stuff is so much better :)
[04:56] <Kalidarn> than what we used to have
[04:56] <Seipher> lik sda1(0) or something
[04:56] <Kalidarn> yeah it will have a symbolic link
[04:56] <Seipher> sata disk 1 partiion 1
[04:56] <Seipher> or something
[04:57] <Kalidarn> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 2010-10-31 13:06 98E66610E665EF46 -> ../../sdc
[04:57] <Kalidarn> 1
[04:57] <Kalidarn> something like that
[04:57] <Seipher> just gonna install the ui
[04:57] <Kalidarn> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  10 2010-10-31 13:06 E23AFA063AF9D78D -> ../../sdc2
[04:57] <Kalidarn> true
[04:57] <Seipher> ntfs-config
[04:57] <Kalidarn> you can do that i haven't used that
[04:57] <Kalidarn> i hope it mounts by UUID
[04:58] <Seipher> we will see :)
[04:58] <Kalidarn> true
[04:58] <Kalidarn> we used to mount /dev/blah to /mnt/blah
[04:58] <Kalidarn> but the problem with that is, if the machine reboots and the disks change order in the BIOS
[04:58] <Seipher> now that is true
[04:58] <Kalidarn> they may be given different labels like /dev/sdb instead of c
[04:58] <Seipher> which is why i didn't like that
[04:58] <Kalidarn> that's why we have UUIDs
[04:58] <Kalidarn> which are set by the filesystem
[04:59] <Kalidarn> u can change it with tune2fs -U /dev/sdb <NEW UUID>
[04:59] <Kalidarn> but do not do that :)
[04:59] <Kalidarn> and don't do it while its mounted
[04:59] <Seipher> i just installed gksudo
[04:59] <Seipher> and ntfs-config
[04:59] <Kalidarn> yup
[04:59] <Seipher> so i have opened it up
[04:59] <moetunes> it is kdesudo in kubuntu
[04:59] <Seipher> lol wow
[04:59] <Seipher> that was to easy
[05:00] <Kalidarn> yeah don't use gksudo
[05:00] <Seipher> so ummm i just mounted all my drives lol
[05:00] <Kalidarn> that's a gnome dependency
[05:00] <Seipher> damn
[05:00] <Seipher> it worked lol
[05:00] <Kalidarn> and is GTK+ :P
[05:00] <Kalidarn> you want kdesudo
[05:00] <FloodBotK2> Kalidarn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:00] <Seipher> but i have gnome and kde installed both i believe
[05:00] <Kalidarn> oh :P
[05:00] <Seipher> not by choice
[05:00] <moetunes> if it worked... :)
[05:00] <Seipher> just didn't have any clue what i was doing
[05:00] <Seipher> soooo...
[05:00] <Seipher> lo
[05:00] <Seipher> lol this is what happens when you don't know what your doing
[05:00] <Seipher> you check / install it all
[05:00] <moetunes> heh it'll be fine
[05:01] <Kalidarn> true
[05:01] <Seipher> i really want to learn though
[05:01] <Kalidarn> least now u get to choose? :)
[05:01] <Kalidarn> do you like KDE or gnome more?
[05:01] <Seipher> kde
[05:01] <Seipher> fits my windows style more
[05:01] <Kalidarn> ^_^ true
[05:01] <Seipher> grew up on windows
[05:01] <Seipher> gnome was wack
[05:01] <Seipher> lol
[05:01] <Kalidarn> it has a few bugs prolly less more than gnome
[05:01] <FloodBotK2> Seipher: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:01] <Kalidarn> but gnome was ultra conservative and has nothing cool
[05:01] <Seipher> well
[05:02] <Seipher> i was THIS CLOSE """" to uninstalling ubuntu
[05:02] <Kalidarn> also KDE is much newer (KDE4 wa almost a complete re-write) so it's been set up nicely for future versions
[05:02] <Seipher> because i couldn't figure out what i was doing and there wasn't much help on installing the gui interface
[05:02] <Kalidarn> yeah apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ;)
[05:02] <Seipher> i basicaly did a search on my phone for commands
[05:02] <Seipher> and found aptitude
[05:02] <Seipher> lol yah kali
[05:02] <Kalidarn> ah yeah aptitude is also used
[05:02] <Seipher> but when you don't know what your doing... how do you find that
[05:03] <Kalidarn> how old are you btw?
[05:03] <Seipher> 26
[05:03] <moetunes> !manual
[05:03] <Kalidarn> ah :P i've been playing with linux since i was 15 :P
[05:03] <Kalidarn> (22) now
[05:03] <Seipher> nice
[05:03] <Seipher> i should have started earlier
[05:03] <Seipher> but i was like... why... lol
[05:03] <Kalidarn> its nice once you get to know it
[05:03] <Seipher> i will say the modifications of it are unending
[05:04] <Kalidarn> i find though because i LIKE kde i actually feel like reporting bugs and getting back traces when shit crashes
[05:04] <Kalidarn> because i actually like contributing my time, when it does because i can see a lot of other people do :P
[05:04] <Kalidarn> i've also kinda found that #kubuntu has lesss newbs in it than #ubuntu which is constant spammage
[05:04] <Seipher> i see
[05:04] <Seipher> i can tell you this
[05:05] <Kalidarn> also in a lot of the KDE application channels the devs often help you
[05:05] <Seipher> 99% of your normal users are not going to switch if it installs into a cmd prompt window
[05:05] <Kalidarn> it shouldn't do that
[05:05] <Seipher> well... maybe it was because i installed the server
[05:05] <Kalidarn> that would only happen if you type server
[05:05] <Kalidarn> yeah
[05:05] <Seipher> lol
[05:05] <Seipher> nvm then
[05:05] <Kalidarn> server install does that, and that's fine lol
[05:05] <Seipher> yah i was like wtf
[05:05] <Seipher> i don't know how to use the server yet
[05:05] <Seipher> help! haha
[05:05] <FloodBotK2> Seipher: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:05] <Kalidarn> you should have used the desktop disc ^_^
[05:06] <Seipher> i wanted to actually learn though
[05:06] <Kalidarn> or the DVD which is both :) that's true
[05:06] <Seipher> im interested in ftp support
[05:06] <Seipher> and web support
[05:06] <Kalidarn> i learnt using gentoo then got lazy and decided i liked an easier distribution
[05:06] <Kalidarn> and i really like Debian's package manager so ubuntu/kubuntu is the logical choice for me
[05:06] <Kalidarn> i hate rpm distributions until recently they sucked at removing 'orphan dependencies'
[05:07] <Kalidarn> ie when you install something, and it installs things that aren't needed anymore
[05:07] <Kalidarn> also aptitude is nice
[05:07] <Kalidarn> i used to use fedora when it used to use apt-get
[05:07] <Seipher> ok so i mounted my drives
[05:07] <Seipher> opened amarok
[05:07] <Kalidarn> go cat /etc/fstab for me
[05:08] <Kalidarn> im interested to see if the windows mount is done by UUID
[05:08] <moetunes> !paste
[05:09] <Seipher> in windows you can usualy just right click my computer and click on manage
[05:09] <Seipher> disk manager
[05:09] <Kalidarn> yeah, i just want to know how the program configures the config
[05:09] <Seipher> oh no idea
[05:09] <Kalidarn> if you do cat /etc/fstab
[05:09] <Kalidarn> it will show you each mount
[05:09] <Kalidarn> something like
[05:09] <Kalidarn> UUID=87feb1aa-9617-4911-99e1-cf628f466eea /mnt/sdb1      ext4    defaults,user 0 1
[05:09] <FloodBotK2> Kalidarn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:09] <Kalidarn> that's for an EXT4 disk
[05:10] <Seipher> oh yah
[05:10] <Seipher> i see that
[05:10] <Seipher> shows the Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS - Lucid Lynx 64 Bit on Dual Monitors with Twin View Nvidia Graphics
[05:10] <Kalidarn> for NTFS disks it should be a short one like UUID=98E66610E665EF46
[05:10] <Seipher> yah it is
[05:10] <Kalidarn> then the mount point /mnt/windows then the filesyste ntfs-3g
[05:10] <Kalidarn> ah that's good then if it' uses UUIDs
[05:11] <Seipher> 1 sec i havn't answered a question yet hehe... i could take a screen shot and send it!
[05:11] <Kalidarn> use ksnapshot
[05:12] <Kalidarn> Seipher: there's two things to remember about linux, also
[05:12] <Kalidarn> the commandline is not necessarily harder
[05:12] <Kalidarn> its a lot easier to direct someone to input a command
[05:12] <Seipher> i see
[05:12] <Kalidarn> than tell them where to click
[05:12] <Kalidarn> also the other thing is 'using the commandline' has this stigma about it
[05:13] <Kalidarn> of being a geek
[05:13] <Kalidarn> which unfortunately isn't really relevant either, because some stuff is a lot easier to do that way
[05:13] <Seipher> haha
[05:13] <Seipher> yah i do feel pretty geek using this command line
[05:13] <Seipher> but... i like to be a geek "tilts glasses"
[05:13] <Kalidarn> for example
[05:14] <Kalidarn> using regular expression lanague to say rename some files in a bash shellscript
[05:14] <Kalidarn> is probably easier than using this GUI program http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Screenshots.php
[05:14] <Seipher> how would you like me to send you this screen shot?
[05:15] <Kalidarn> imageshack.us will be fine
[05:15] <Kalidarn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression :P
[05:16] <Seipher> http://img121.imageshack.us/i/fstab.png/
[05:17] <Seipher> good luck if you can read that
[05:17] <Kalidarn> yeah i clicked on direct
[05:17] <Kalidarn> http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/1404/fstab.png
[05:17] <Seipher> how the hell
[05:17] <Seipher> lol
[05:17] <Kalidarn> that's good ntfs-config does everything as it's supposed to
[05:17] <Kalidarn> oh it looks like your not using graphics effects
[05:18] <Kalidarn> you using nvidia or ATI?
[05:18] <Seipher> nvidia
[05:18] <Seipher> i did install the nvidia driver
[05:18] <Seipher> to get my dual monitor working
[05:18] <Kalidarn> also turn off blur
[05:18] <Seipher> they called it something funning like xanurama
[05:18] <Kalidarn> there seems to be a problem with blur and CPU usage
[05:18] <Kalidarn> on nvidia
[05:18] <Seipher> location?
[05:18] <Kalidarn> system settings
[05:18] <Kalidarn> desktop effects
[05:19] <Kalidarn> all effects
[05:19] <Kalidarn> it might be on by default
[05:19] <Seipher> this under the Nvidia x server settings gui?
[05:19] <Kalidarn> "Blurs the background behind semi-transparent windows"
[05:19] <Kalidarn> no this is under KDE's system-settings
[05:19] <Kalidarn> ie click on the K then Computer
[05:20] <Seipher> now your talking my langauge!
[05:20] <Seipher> lol
[05:20] <Kalidarn> under Compositing State
[05:20] <Kalidarn> it should say "Desktop effects are innactive" because it looks like from that screenshot you have them off
[05:21] <Kalidarn> click the check box that tells you to enable them
[05:21] <Seipher> im looking
[05:22] <Seipher> alright so k> computer>system settings
[05:23] <Seipher> then im lost
[05:26] <ussher_> anyone know how to view the chat history for skype on kubuntu?  I read the docs here "http://www.skype.com/intl/en-us/support/user-guides/skype-for-mac/skype-features/" and it says go to “Contacts” > “View Chat History”. but that doesnt exist on the kubuntu version i have.
[05:26] <ussher_> i did find this "skype log viewer" http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/skype_log_view.html but its for windows.
[05:28] <ussher_> the skype log files are .dbb files if that helps.
[05:30] <epoxy> Hello.. When I browse files in Dolphin or a file menu from a program, 90% of the time it is really slow browing through directories
[05:30] <epoxy> like 30 second refresh times and it blocks the rest of the desktop processes
[05:30] <epoxy> any idea how to fix this?
[05:30] <ussher_> epoxy: same in konqueror?
[05:31] <moetunes> epoxy:  start dolphin from konsole to see any errors
[05:31] <Kalidarn> Seipher: in system settings look for desktop effects
[05:32] <Kalidarn> ussher_: yeah i think its some sort of binary format
[05:32] <Kalidarn> or database so that makes it hard
[05:32] <Seipher> yah
[05:32] <Seipher> im there
[05:32] <Kalidarn> u can get kopete to connect to skype
[05:32] <Seipher> playing with all sorts of fun stuff
[05:32] <Seipher> making stuff blow up!
[05:32] <Kalidarn> and then get it to do logging (skype has to be open for it to work)
[05:32] <Kalidarn> Seipher: turn off Blur
[05:32] <Kalidarn> if you have nvidia proprietary drivers
[05:32] <ussher_> cheers Kalidarn, I would have thought that there would be a button in skype, like there is in pidgin to read old chat messages.
[05:33] <Kalidarn> i found a CPU problem
[05:33] <Kalidarn> there is a button in skype
[05:33] <Seipher> blur is not an option under general or all effects tab for me
[05:33] <Seipher> so i assume i do not have it
[05:33] <Kalidarn> oh maybe then your card cannot do it
[05:33] <Seipher> i have a GTX 480
[05:33] <Kalidarn> oh then it should
[05:33] <Kalidarn> because i have a GTX 470
[05:33] <Seipher> but i installed the default driver
[05:34] <Kalidarn> probably is using noaveu
[05:34] <Seipher> from aptitude for nvidia
[05:34] <Kalidarn> not nvidia-proprietary
[05:34] <Seipher> i installed the nvidia driver from their site
[05:34] <Kalidarn> which is a closed source binary driver from nvidia
[05:34] <Seipher> but had no idea how to run the install
[05:34] <epoxy> I take that back. When I open dolphin is usually acts ok. It's mainly when browsing with the open/save dialogs
[05:34] <Kalidarn> hmmm :P your best getting it from the repositories :)
[05:34] <Seipher> there you go with big words again
[05:34] <Seipher> lol
[05:34] <Kalidarn> ie from the ubuntu servers
[05:34] <Seipher> gotcha
[05:35] <Kalidarn> that way it can update and configure and manage it
[05:35] <Seipher> so cmos > terminal > bash > all same thing
[05:35] <Seipher> just different name for different OS\
[05:35] <Kalidarn> cmos?
[05:35] <Seipher> windows
[05:35] <Kalidarn> no not really
[05:35] <Seipher> command prompt
[05:35] <Kalidarn> CMOS is nothing like those other things
[05:36] <moetunes> bash is a program not a terminal
[05:36] <Seipher> well it definitely doesn't have the vast features
[05:36] <Seipher> ahh
[05:36] <Seipher> ok
[05:36] <Kalidarn> CMOS is a non volotile BIOS memory
[05:36] <Kalidarn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonvolatile_BIOS_memory :P
[05:36] <Kalidarn> i think you mean MS-DOS
[05:36] <Seipher> yah
[05:36] <Seipher> that
[05:36] <Seipher> sorry
[05:36] <Kalidarn> ^_^
[05:37] <Kalidarn> the CMOS is the thing that tests your memory when you press the power button
[05:37] <Seipher> cmos sort of replaced ms-dos back in xp... in a way it was the only way to do a command
[05:37] <Seipher> you can actually do full commands in it though
[05:37] <Seipher> copy files
[05:37] <Seipher> move files
[05:37] <Seipher> simple stuff
[05:37] <Kalidarn> no that is MS-DOS
[05:37] <Kalidarn> or DOS
[05:37] <Kalidarn> ie Disk Operating System
[05:37] <Seipher> ahh
[05:37] <Seipher> ok
[05:37] <Seipher> then i am mistaken
[05:38] <Kalidarn> CMOS stands for Complementary metal-oxide-semiconductor (CMOS)
[05:38] <Kalidarn> and is  chip on the motherboard
[05:38] <Seipher> oh
[05:38] <Seipher> ok
[05:39] <Seipher> didn't know that was an actual chip
[05:39] <Kalidarn> ^_^
[05:39] <Seipher> do you use cairo-dock
[05:39] <Seipher> ?
[05:39] <Kalidarn> you do not use the CMOS within windows
[05:39] <Kalidarn> it is operating independant
[05:40] <Seipher> where are your applications installed
[05:40] <Kalidarn> ie the CMOS is where you press Delete or F11
[05:40] <Seipher> yah
[05:40] <Kalidarn> when your booting your machine up
[05:40] <Kalidarn> and it lets you set boot devices, ram timings and things like that
[05:40] <Kalidarn> that actually is saved to a chip not to a hard disk
[05:40] <Kalidarn> http://www.pctipstricks.com/pictures/AwardBIOS-CMOS-Setup-mainscreen.jpg :P that thing
[05:40] <Kalidarn> yours probably looks like that
[05:41] <Seipher> yah
[05:41] <Seipher> i am very familiar with bios
[05:41] <Kalidarn> and it's going to be probably phased out for UEFI
[05:41] <Kalidarn> :) some day
[05:41] <Kalidarn> if you have a mac it already has :P
[05:41] <Seipher> im constantly going through bios at work
[05:41] <Kalidarn> that is one of the things i love about macs actually
[05:41] <Kalidarn> you do not need grub
[05:42] <Kalidarn> because it's EFI it's able to boot the OS
[05:42] <Seipher> thats another thing im gonna have to learn
[05:42] <Seipher> is how to manipulate grub
[05:42] <Seipher> yah windows needs its own loader
[05:42] <Kalidarn> actually i think it actually calls grub
[05:42] <Kalidarn> i forget i don't use linux on my mac :P
[05:42] <Seipher> brb i need food
[05:42] <Seipher> :)
[05:43] <Kalidarn> but you can have an EFI menu which is nicer than a grub one
[05:43] <Kalidarn> boots straight into that, then that boots the OS
[05:43] <Kalidarn> as opposed to going through all the other stuff that it  normally does
[05:45] <Seipher> that would be nice
[05:46] <Seipher> right now it boots sort of looks like bios
[05:46] <Seipher> or still in post
[05:46] <Seipher> which i would think it has to since it looks at the mbr
[05:47] <Kalidarn> MBR is a partition format it has nothing to do wit it
[05:47] <Kalidarn> oh
[05:47] <Kalidarn> yeah lol sorry  :P
[05:47] <Kalidarn> i misread that
[05:47] <Seipher> hmmm
[05:47] <Kalidarn> i thought you said "looks like MBR" :P
[05:47] <Seipher> hehe no
[05:47] <Kalidarn> lol
[05:47] <Seipher> i do know how to look at the MBR though!
[05:47] <Seipher> hehe
[05:47] <Seipher> you get a huge hammer
[05:47] <Kalidarn> and then you use GPT
[05:48] <Seipher> no no just kidding
[05:48] <Kalidarn> but unfortunaly if your using windfailure
[05:48] <Kalidarn> you cannot use GPT if you want to boot
[05:48] <Kalidarn> unless you also have EFI
[05:48] <Kalidarn> grub lets you boot from GPT using BIOS :D
[05:48] <Seipher> yah
[05:48] <Seipher> i read a bit about that
[05:48] <Seipher> still have yet to use GPT
[05:49] <Kalidarn> you have to have it if you want filesystems over 2TB
[05:49] <Seipher> you can royally screw stuff up with software like that
[05:49] <Kalidarn> as you can't do that with MBR
[05:49] <Seipher> corrupt your drives
[05:49] <Kalidarn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table
[05:49] <Seipher> if you don't know what your doing
[05:49] <Kalidarn> well you back stuff up first obviously
[05:49] <Seipher> and i definitely dont' know enough
[05:49] <Kalidarn> then i'd boot with a livecd like http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
[05:49] <Kalidarn> format it how i like
[05:50] <Kalidarn> then install my operating systems
[05:50] <Kalidarn> OS installers do not let you often set GPT
[05:50] <Kalidarn> ubuntu doesn't :P
[05:50] <Seipher> that is true
[05:50] <Seipher> windows comes with its own little partitioning thing
[05:50] <Kalidarn> yeah it doesn't let you do it either
[05:50] <Seipher> yah
[05:50] <Seipher> plus it thinks everything is primary
[05:50] <Kalidarn> well not as nicely
[05:50] <Seipher> when you can really only have 4 primary
[05:50] <Kalidarn> logical partitions are crap
[05:50] <Kalidarn> that's why you use GPT
[05:51] <Kalidarn> and you can have heaps of primaries
[05:51] <Seipher> but you can't physicaly have more than 4 primaries
[05:51] <Seipher> it may call them that
[05:51] <Seipher> but it is logical
[05:51] <Kalidarn> its just windows doesn't know how to boot off GPT with a BIOS
[05:51] <Kalidarn> you can
[05:51] <Kalidarn> with GPT
[05:51] <Kalidarn> and if you have EFI
[05:51] <FloodBotK2> Kalidarn: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:51] <Kalidarn> on windows it will let you
[05:51] <Kalidarn> for example on my macbook i could
[05:51] <Seipher> hmmm are you sure... i believe i read that was the actualy hardware limitations
[05:52] <Seipher> of a hard drive
[05:52] <Seipher> some things call it primary
[05:52] <Kalidarn> nope
[05:52] <Seipher> i'll have to go back and re-read that one
[05:53] <Kalidarn> If the disk exceeds 2 TiB - the maximum partition size representable using the 32-bit LBAs of the legacy MBR (assuming a 512 byte block size) - the size of this partition is marked as 2 TiB, ignoring the rest of disk.
[05:53] <Kalidarn> that's why MBR sucks :)
[05:53] <Kalidarn> also GPT had redundancy information too
[05:54] <Seipher> your 22?
[05:54] <Seipher> lol
[05:54] <Seipher> amazing
[05:54] <Seipher> you must be going to college for some sort of computer program
[05:54] <Kalidarn> i have had my own computer since i was 3 :P
[05:54] <Kalidarn> i am doing a computer science degree this is true but
[05:54] <Kalidarn> i knew all this before then
[05:55] <Seipher> yah i need to go back
[05:55] <Seipher> lol i got my degree in business management
[05:55] <Seipher> now i work in IT Security
[05:55] <Kalidarn> my first computer was an IBM 286 AT
[05:55] <Seipher> its very difficult
[05:55] <Kalidarn>  network security?
[05:55] <Kalidarn> cisco stuff?
[05:55] <Kalidarn> security is an interest of mine, but more at a programming level
[05:56] <Kalidarn> im not really interested in networking
[05:56] <Kalidarn> my network works that's all i care about
[05:56] <Seipher> hehe
[05:56] <Seipher> no more of like
[05:56] <Seipher> camera systems
[05:56] <Kalidarn> oh
[05:56] <Seipher> security
[05:56] <Seipher> fire
[05:56] <Kalidarn> ;)
[05:56] <FloodBotK2> Seipher: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:56] <Seipher> programming them
[05:56] <Kalidarn> spying on people ^_^
[05:57] <Seipher> hehe
[05:57] <Seipher> well...
[05:57] <Seipher> investigations and stuff
[05:57] <Seipher> if someone does something they shouldn't
[05:57] <Seipher> we get a report
[05:57] <Seipher> and we basicaly have to try and extract the video and put a report together ourselves
[05:57] <Kalidarn> i have a camera by my front door
[05:58] <Kalidarn> which i connect to with a web client
[05:58] <Seipher> there ya go
[05:58] <Kalidarn> i can see when the tards for halloween come if they do
[05:58] <Kalidarn> i have a nasty surprise prepared
[05:58] <Seipher> i had one when i was in an apt... got tired of my truck getting broke into every other month
[05:58] <Kalidarn> i hate halloween and i don't want to have anything to do with it
[05:58] <Seipher> so are you in the states?
[05:58] <Seipher> im in Texas
[05:59] <Kalidarn> no australia
[05:59] <Seipher> ahh
[05:59] <Kalidarn> but consumerism has brought it here
[05:59] <Seipher> hehe
[05:59] <Kalidarn> as supermarkets have advertised the crap out of those pumpkins
[05:59] <Kalidarn> and stuff
[05:59] <Kalidarn> they want it here BAD.
[05:59] <Seipher> yah
[05:59] <Kalidarn> i think its wrong to teach children that they should get candy and if they don't to do vandalism
[05:59] <Seipher> i can tell ya right now there isn't many people in america who would be sitting on linux chatting in irc
[05:59] <Kalidarn> whats worse is parents often follow them around to make sure nothing happens to them
[06:00] <Kalidarn> its not really celebrated here
[06:00] <Kalidarn> though sometimes you do see people
[06:00] <Seipher> i did it occasionaly growing up
[06:00] <Seipher> it was fun dressing up
[06:00] <Kalidarn> one year when i pretended not to be home, my dad accidentally forgot
[06:00] <Seipher> but yes there are always those cases of kids getting into trouble
[06:00] <Kalidarn> and this stupid bitch put a icecream in our letterbox
[06:00] <Kalidarn> so this year i have a camera prepared and im going to run out the front door and take a photo of the parents
[06:00] <Seipher> haha
[06:00] <Kalidarn> and tell them if any shit happens i will report them to the police for vandalism
[06:01] <Kalidarn> as i dont want to have anything to do with it :P
[06:01] <moetunes> this is getting pretty offtopic
[06:01] <Seipher> it can be fun
[06:01] <Kalidarn> yeah well parties are fine but 'holiday sanctioned vandalism isn't exactly so fun' :P
[06:01] <Kalidarn> true it is offtopic.
[06:01] <Seipher> true
[06:01] <Seipher> so about that location of programs folder
[06:01] <Kalidarn> what programs folder
[06:02] <Seipher> where is the location of default programs
[06:02] <Seipher> windows = c:\program files
[06:02] <Kalidarn> ah in linux and UNIX we have a better system
[06:02] <Landgraf> who can to enable sound in tvttime via pulseaudio?
[06:02] <Kalidarn> it's called the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[06:03] <moetunes> !pulseaudio
[06:04] <Kalidarn> with windows you have a program files directory and everything is dumped in there
[06:04] <Kalidarn> because linux and unix makes use of 'shared libraries'
[06:04] <Seipher> yes
[06:04] <Kalidarn> there's a library directory a bin directory a etc directory for configs etc.
[06:04] <Seipher> ahhhhh
[06:04] <Landgraf> ubottu: already see - don't help
[06:05] <Kalidarn> applications things like kde are usually reside in /usr/bin /usr/share/kde4 for example
[06:05] <Seipher> were would terminal reside?
[06:05] <Seipher> so i can pin it to my deskto
[06:05] <Seipher> p
[06:05] <Kalidarn> oh you want to pin the shortcut just drag it from the menu
[06:05] <Kalidarn> out
[06:06] <Seipher> im using cairdo-dock
[06:06] <Seipher> cairo*
[06:06] <Seipher> you can set up your own icons
[06:06] <Seipher> its very cool
[06:06] <moetunes>  /usr/bin/konsole for kdes' terminal
[06:06] <Seipher> i just don't know where the fricken terminal file is to add it
[06:06] <Kalidarn> it would be in /usr/share/applications/
[06:06] <Seipher> thanks moe
[06:06] <Kalidarn> that's what your looking for
[06:06] <Kalidarn> no Seipher
[06:06] <Kalidarn> it's in /usr/share/applications/
[06:07] <Kalidarn> /usr/share/applications/kde4/konsole.desktop
[06:07] <Kalidarn> is the shortcut
[06:07] <moetunes> the .desktop file?
[06:07] <Kalidarn> yes
[06:07] <moetunes> k
[06:07] <Kalidarn> those are shortcusts and from memory you need to point it to that
[06:07] <Kalidarn> it it has the icon and all that
[06:07] <Kalidarn> also Seipher certain things in unix systems regarding the gui are standardized and are the same
[06:07] <Kalidarn> whether you use gnome or KDE
[06:08] <Seipher> yah i noticed that
[06:08] <Kalidarn> those standards are set out by freedesktop.org
[06:08] <Kalidarn> the .desktop shortcuts thing is one of them
[06:08] <Kalidarn> /usr/share/applications/kde4/konsole.desktop
[06:08] <Kalidarn> for example if you open that in a text editor
[06:10] <Kalidarn> you'll see that it contains the type, the binary name so /usr/bin/konsole, the icon, document parth, whether or not to run in a terminal, name under other languages
[06:10] <Kalidarn> and category where it should appear in the menu
[06:11] <Seipher> thats nifty
[06:11] <Kalidarn> for a user level they will be in /home/username/local/applications
[06:12] <Kalidarn> much better than the way windows does shortcuts
[06:13] <Seipher> yah i noticed i added a file to my desktop folder
[06:13] <Seipher> it did not actually display on my desktop
[06:13] <Seipher> was gonna figure that out later though
[06:13] <Kalidarn> yeah if u dragged it from the menu out to the desktop
[06:13] <Kalidarn> thats what you'd see on the desktop
[06:15] <Seipher> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V58BIo6A1Lo
[06:15] <Seipher> i would like to have a lot of those features
[06:16] <Kalidarn> oh desktop cubes ive found while pretty
[06:16] <Kalidarn> arent all that useful
[06:16] <Seipher> very cool though!
[06:16] <Seipher> hehe i want
[06:16] <Kalidarn> and yeah i think he's using compiz
[06:17] <Kalidarn> but you do not want to use that if your using KDE
[06:17] <Kalidarn> but KDE can do desktop cubes with its own compositing layer
[06:17] <Seipher> how?
[06:17] <Kalidarn> in Desktop Effects > All Effects
[06:17] <Seipher> kk
[06:17] <Kalidarn> you can check the shortcut there in System Settings
[06:18] <Seipher> im there
[06:18] <Kalidarn> it's control F11
[06:18] <Kalidarn> u can set a cylinder or a sphere if you want too
[06:18] <Seipher> OMG
[06:18] <Seipher> i love it! lol
[06:18] <Kalidarn> i use Present Windows
[06:18] <Kalidarn> that's the most useful one
[06:19] <Kalidarn> i Ctrl + F8
[06:19] <Kalidarn> for all desktops
[06:19] <Kalidarn> ctrl + F9 for current and F7  present
[06:19] <Seipher> wooo
[06:19] <Seipher> OOOOOYAH
[06:19] <Seipher> haha thats the goods
[06:20] <Kalidarn> especially if your like me who opens a tonne of stuff
[06:20] <Seipher> im actually really impressed with linux
[06:20] <Seipher> lol thats why i have multiple monitors
[06:20] <Seipher> you notice how he has 1 desktop spread across 2 monitors
[06:21] <Seipher> i spent 30min on that
[06:21] <Kalidarn> yeah
[06:21] <Seipher> can't figure it out
[06:21] <Kalidarn> Xinerama i used to use
[06:21] <Kalidarn> and twinview i think
[06:21] <Seipher> i have both enabled
[06:21] <Kalidarn> which works nicely with nvidia, its changed
[06:21] <Kalidarn> probably and is a lot easier to configure than it used to be
[06:21] <Seipher> yah i read somewhere they said they wouldn't support it because if the 2 monitors are set to different resolutions it would cause big issues
[06:22] <Seipher> they suggested just using gimp
[06:22] <Seipher> to cut the image in half
[06:22] <Kalidarn> i  hate monitors with different sizes
[06:22] <Kalidarn> infact i hate dual monitors i prefer one massive one
[06:23] <Kalidarn> i dont have to move my head
[06:23] <Kalidarn> and it's good for movies
[06:23] <Seipher> hahah
[06:23] <Kalidarn> it's also very good when doing modeling which i for software architecture stuff
[06:23] <Kalidarn> ERM diagrams all that kinda stuff
[06:24] <Kalidarn> stuff you prolly haven't seen :P
[06:24] <Seipher> thank the good lord!
[06:24] <Seipher> nah i am interested in this stuff and should have done it for school
[06:24] <Kalidarn> using like mysql workbench, rational software architect and alike
[06:24] <geekosopher> my maverick install doesn't log out cleanly, when I log out, it only shows some message, but not login screen, don't know whether its kdm or x
[06:24] <Seipher> but when i was 18 i didn't know what the hell i wanted
[06:25] <Kalidarn> what's the message?
[06:25] <geekosopher> Kalidarn: you asking me?
[06:25] <Kalidarn> yeah
[06:26] <moetunes> geekosopher:  using an nvidia card ?
[06:27] <geekosopher> Kalidarn: it is "(process: 284): GLib-Warning **: getpwuid_r(): gailded due to unknown user id (0)"
[06:27] <geekosopher> no nividia card
[06:27] <geekosopher> onboard intel graphics
[06:27] <moetunes> k
[06:27] <geekosopher> some 845G
[06:28] <geekosopher> *failed not gailed :)
[06:28] <moetunes> geekosopher:  is your user borked? - does this happen with other users?
[06:29] <geekosopher> moetunes: borked meaning?
[06:29] <moetunes> borked = 1/2 broken - still works but not well
[06:30] <geekosopher> ok
[06:30] <geekosopher> the rest is all fine.... so I don't know if its borked
[06:31] <moetunes> geekosopher:  the error is   unknown user id - so in konsole as that user try   id
[06:32] <geekosopher> you want the output of id?
[06:32] <moetunes> sure
[06:33] <geekosopher> jam
[06:33] <geekosopher> uid=1000(nitesh) gid=1000(nitesh) groups=1000(nitesh),4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),112(lpadmin),119(admin),120(sambashare)
[06:34] <geekosopher> this is a clean fresh install of maverick with no hacking
[06:34] <moetunes> geekosopher:  that looks fine - are you autologging in?
[06:34] <geekosopher> no
[06:34] <moetunes> k
[06:35] <moetunes> geekosopher:  and this happens all the time?
[06:35] <geekosopher> everytime
[06:35] <moetunes> have you updated through apt-get?
[06:35] <geekosopher> i have to switch over to tty1 login and then give reboot
[06:35] <geekosopher> no
[06:35] <geekosopher> fresh install from cd
[06:36] <moetunes> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:36] <geekosopher> update and upgrade goes fine
[06:36] <moetunes> sounds like something from the install didn't go right - bad cd burn maybe
[06:37] <geekosopher> :(
[06:37] <moetunes> maybe try   sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm   and see if it makes some new config
[06:37] <geekosopher> sure
[06:37] <moetunes> look for errors while it happens
[06:38] <geekosopher> did 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' it returned without any errors
[06:38] <moetunes> k - try a logout again :)
[06:38] <geekosopher> ok... will be back
[06:38] <moetunes> luck
[06:56] <geekosopher> moetunes: no luck :( though I tried a couple of things this time...
[06:56] <geekosopher> i tried testing with another user on tty7 (that is just after rebooting) but logging out from there also gave me the same error
[06:56] <moetunes> geekosopher:  I think kdm has a log you can check - X log might have a clue too
[06:57] <moetunes> geekosopher:  does sound like kdm is the prob
[06:57] <geekosopher> but if I am already logged in, and then log in to another user using new session, that new session logs out well
[06:58] <geekosopher> moetunes: where do i find this log?
[06:58] <moetunes> geekosopher:  should be in /var/log
[06:58] <moetunes> with the other logs :)
[06:59] <moetunes> The X log is in there too
[07:00] <moetunes> I don't think it will be an X issue but you never know...
[07:05] <geekosopher> the kdm.log has a backtrace and it complains about some segmentation fault... server aborting etc., Checking /var/log/Xorg
[07:08] <moetunes> geekosopher:  I would try to reinstall kdm  -  sudo apt-get -reinstall kdm
[07:08] <moetunes> iirc
[07:09] <geekosopher> ok
[07:10] <geekosopher> do you want to have a look at the log before I reinstall?
[07:11] <moetunes> geekosopher:  after a bit of a think - does kdm stop and start ok with   sudo service kdm stop   from a tty?
[07:12] <moetunes> it "might" not be kdm  - pays to check I think
[07:12] <geekosopher> let me try... you mean giving kdm start from tty1 right?
[07:12] <moetunes> nope
[07:12] <moetunes> stop it first
[07:12] <moetunes> in say tty2 do   sudo service kdm stop
[07:13] <geekosopher> ok
[07:13] <moetunes> don't have any running apps in the gui geekosopher
[07:13] <geekosopher> i just have a konsole running in gui, is that fine
[07:14] <moetunes> and then start it and see if any errors crop up]
[07:14] <moetunes> and then start it and see if any errors crop up
[07:21] <geekosopher> moetunes: I did stop and then start from tty2, it shows the same error on tty7 but gives me a login screen on tty8... but I guess I did not logout from tty7 becuase this irssi session is still running
[07:21] <geekosopher> and no errors on tty2
[07:22] <moetunes> kdm stop should have killed the X on tty7 afaik
[07:22] <geekosopher> when I gave stop it showed 'kdm stop/waiting' and then on start 'kdm start/running, process ...' and switched to tty8
[07:22] <geekosopher> yes, there is no gui on tty7, just that error message
[07:23] <moetunes> does tty7 still have the gui? - tty8 would be used for a second X server
[07:23] <moetunes> k
[07:23] <moetunes> so go with the reinstall of kdm then - it seems like that is what is having issues
[07:23] <geekosopher> ok
[07:24] <moetunes> geekosopher:  did you do the cd check from the live cd menu?
[07:25] <geekosopher> yes, it was a shipit cd, and I did cd check before going ahead with the install
[07:25] <moetunes> k - seems strange tho - haven't seen anyone else with this issue lateley
[07:26] <geekosopher> guess i pick up the rarest of the rare bugs :)
[07:28] <moetunes> stuff happens.. :)
[07:28] <elimental> Oh grate Ubuntu 11.04 will default to Unity desktop... Doesnt Mark know thats the reason I am here instead of buntu :)
[07:28] <elimental> Ubuntu*
[07:29] <moetunes> obviously not...
[07:29] <geekosopher> did 'sudo apt-get --reinstall kdm' and it says 'E: Invalid operating kdm'
[07:30] <geekosopher> was the syntax right? let me check manpage
[07:31] <moetunes> geekosopher:  I'm not on a box that uses apt so I can't check
[07:33] <geekosopher> i think it should have had a command after the --reinstall option
[07:33] <geekosopher> is it ok if I give sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdm?
[07:33] <moetunes> try -install
[07:34] <moetunes> or not
[07:35] <geekosopher> i checked the manpage for apt-get, it does not have any option like -install
[07:35] <moetunes> geekosopher:  yep I was wrong with the -install bit
[07:35] <geekosopher> I gave sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdm
[07:36] <moetunes> k
[07:36] <geekosopher> it installed kdm again
[07:36] <geekosopher> i am going to log out and reboot now and see
[07:38] <geekosopher> one little thing i observed while reinstalling... it did not download the package from internet, may be it was already there in cache; is it okay? no errors during install though
[07:39] <moetunes> geekosopher:  we repackaged the one in /var/cache/apt/packages before
[07:39] <geekosopher> so I guess it is fine, right?
[07:39] <moetunes> geekosopher:  try apt-get clean then update and reinstall maybe
[07:39] <geekosopher> ok
[07:41] <geekosopher> done, time to log out
[07:42] <jonbet> does anyone here talking about sound driver?
[07:43] <elimental> You haveing sund issues?
[07:43] <elimental> sound*
[07:44] <moetunes> basic sound steps are listed here
[07:44] <moetunes> !sound
[07:44] <jonbet> no, just my output sounds bad
[07:44] <moetunes> is it intel hd ?
[07:44] <jonbet> i'm going there
[07:44] <elimental> dam you stole my line :)
[07:44] <jonbet> its intel hd realtek alc1200
[07:45] <moetunes> !intelhda
[07:46] <elimental> I fixed mine with one simple command "apt-get remove pulseaudio"
[07:46] <geekosopher> moetunes: no luck, still the same
[07:46] <jonbet> i mean, i want to add equalizer function like this driver had on windows, so it will sounds good
[07:47] <geekosopher> should i go ahead and file a bug for this?
[07:47] <elimental> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto is alsy very helpfull
[07:48] <moetunes> geekosopher:  time to see if X has any issues and you could check   dmesg   in konsole
[07:48] <elimental> also
[07:50] <geekosopher> got the output of dmesg in a text file, now what?
[07:50] <jonbet> i've got it, want to send for a moment
[07:52] <jonbet> can i attach it using this smuxi? how?
[07:52] <geekosopher> at the end of the dmesg output there are some lines about 'info='Failed name lookup..."'
[07:53] <moetunes> geekosopher:  the lines just above that will tell what was trying a name lookup
[07:54] <jonbet> [    0.505039] PM: Resume from disk failed.
[07:55] <jonbet> no other failed word
[07:56] <geekosopher> it is '...apparmor-"DENIED" operation="file_perm"'
[07:58] <jonbet> its just apparmor="STATUS" operation="profile_replace" or "profile_load"
[07:59] <jonbet> than.. Intel AES-NI instructions are not detected
[08:15] <jonbet> elimental: apt-get remove pulseaudio give message: E: Unable to locate package pulse-aduio
[08:16] <elimental> oneword
[08:17] <jonbet> what do u mean
[08:19] <moetunes> pulseaudio not pulse-audio
[08:21] <jonbet> still got same message
[08:21] <jonbet> E: Unable to locate package pulseaduio
[08:22] <moetunes> it is aud not adu
[08:22] <moetunes> audio
[08:23] <elimental> jonbet: sorry dam isp decided now's the time to drop me and renew IP
[08:23] <jonbet> do u want to continue?
[08:23] <elimental> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
[08:23] <elimental> one word
[08:23] <jonbet> y
[08:24] <jonbet> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[08:48] <jonbet> im using alsa Driver Version 1.0.23 want to update to 1.0.9 does anybody know whare the alsa history link
[09:01] <jonbet> alsa Driver Version 1.0.23 is newer than 1.0.9
[09:20] <Kalidarn> no DBG package for akonadi-kde-resource-googledata ?
[09:58] <Seipher> #irc.freenode.net #cairo-dock
[09:59] <yofel> zz_Kalidarn: no -dbg package, but there is a -dbgsym package in the debug archives
[09:59] <yofel> zz_Kalidarn: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash for the sources
[10:04] <markus> hello, i want to rename directories with krename but this does not work, because it will rename files...
[10:05] <markus> the files are ok, but 50 directories got a wrong directory name.
[10:05] <markus> is someone able to help
[10:52] <monte_> can anyone offer some assitance
[11:22] <Peace-> hi channel
[11:28] <twist> zzz
[11:40] <smooph> Hi ... I have a problem with truecrypt ... when I mount truecrypt as user1 (my desktop kde user) I can access the mounted disk just fine with that user ... problem is that my mythtv backend runs as user mythtv and it cannot access the mountpoint ... truecrypt uses uid=gid=1000 (user1's uid and gid) ... how can I allow user2 access to the partition ...
[11:54] <Peace-> smooph: changing gid
[11:54] <Peace-> i guess
[11:54] <Peace-> should be 000 i guess?
[11:55] <Peace-> !permission
[11:55] <Peace-> !fat
[11:55] <Peace-> omg
[11:55] <FloodBotK2> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:55] <Peace-> !FUSE
[12:02] <smooph> !NTFS-3g
[12:20] <beaver74__> ich würde mir gern in dem miniprg "news" die aktuellen kubuntu 10.10 updates anzeigen lassen, welche adresse müsste dazu eingetragen werden?
[12:21] <beaver74__> hey erstmal :) habe kein rss feed finden können
[12:22] <moetunes> !de
[12:23] <beaver74__> sry :) now is see it, its not the german # ... sorrry, i will ask there ;)
[12:23] <beaver74__> -r
[12:23] <beaver74__> bye, thanks moetunes
[12:23] <moetunes> np :)
[12:23] <beaver74__> :P
[12:47] <olskolirc> where is my vlc log please?  I can't open my pvr 150 card with vlc anymore to watch tv
[12:48] <peace_> mmm
[12:48] <moetunes> olskolirc:  normally in ~/.config/vlc
[12:48] <olskolirc> thanks moetunes
[12:49] <peace_> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=57061
[12:49] <peace_> google vlc log where is
[12:49] <peace_> ,..
[12:51] <BluesKaj> howdy
[13:05] <olskolirc> i lost /dev/video0 how do i get it back please?
[13:07] <moetunes> is it called /dev/video1 now?
[13:07] <olskolirc> yes moetunes
[13:07] <olskolirc> what happened moetunes ?
[13:09] <moetunes> olskolirc:  no idea... :)
[13:12] <ilika> whats the recommended partition size for kubuntu? just basic use.. browsing web / pidgin and open office
[13:13] <peace_> ilika: you should use 10 15 gb for /
[13:13] <peace_> ilika: for home what you wnat
[13:13] <James147> ilika: 10-20 gig for the system + what you want for files
[13:13] <moetunes> ilika:  I would use 10gb for / some for swap and the rest for home
[13:13] <ilika> yeah thats what I figured, 15gb
[13:14] <ilika> So If i have 2gb ram, swap should be 3gb, right/
[13:14] <James147> ilika: doesnt need to be :)
[13:14] <ilika> well, recomended
[13:14] <James147> ilika: you dont really need more then 2gig
[13:15] <James147> ilika: but if your not doing anything that requires that much then you dont really need swap
[13:15] <moetunes> depends if you suspend/hibernate or not
[13:15] <James147> ^^ and that :)
[13:16] <ilika> is it the "filesystem" hd ram" ?
[13:17] <James147> ilika: basically, it is also used to stre the ram during a hibernation
[13:17] <ilika> ok, where would I find all drivers to my system? Asus eee pc, 1005ha
[13:18] <James147> ilika: that model should just work
[13:18] <ilika> ok cool
[13:19] <ilika> so when I browse for freeware, what type of linux package should I look for?
[13:19] <ilika> for kubuntu
[13:20] <James147> ilika: you would first use kpackagekit and see if it knows about it (it should be installed)
[13:20] <James147> ilika: but kubuntu uses the .deb packages
[13:20] <ilika> is it based on debian packages?
[13:21] <James147> yes
[13:21] <ilika> ok cool
[13:21] <ilika> so what's apt get <software> what kind of package is that?
[13:22] <James147> ilika: apt-get fetches .debs from the web and then runs dpkg on them
[13:22] <ilika> i see
[13:22] <moetunes> there are 20,000+ free apps in the repositories  - you   sudo apt-get install application
[13:22] <ilika> where is a full (official) list of all those apps?
[13:23] <ilika> sorted by popularity
[13:23] <moetunes> I don't think there is one...
[13:23] <James147> ilika: not sure you would get a list sorted by populatiry...
[13:23] <moetunes> !repos
[13:23] <James147> ilika: eaiest way to look for packages is useing kpackagekit
[13:23] <ilika> I guess Sorceforge
[13:24] <ilika> ok i'll check it
[13:24] <James147> ilika: no, sourceforge dosent list what is inside the kubuntu repos... although some of whats in sourceforge is in the repos there is no garente that everything is
[13:25] <ilika> I see, and is there a package to run Windows apps?
[13:25] <ilika> like Wine?
[13:25] <James147> ilika: umm... wine...
[13:25] <ilika> is it easy to use?
[13:25] <James147> !wine
[13:26] <James147> ilika: if it works it is... if it dosent then no :)
[13:27] <ilika> ok, installing kubuntu, I wonder why ubuntu's default xwindow system is gnome, kde is much better looking
[13:27] <orpras> I have a serious problem with my window controls flickering whenever the pointer passes over them.  Any ideas as to what is going on?  I am using the non-free radeon drivers on a Toshiba P500
[13:30] <ilika> James147: what boot manager does kubuntu install?
[13:30] <James147> !grub2
[13:30] <ilika> ok, i'll need to have win as default boot
[13:31] <ilika> and is it recommended to create ext3 ?
[13:31] <James147> ilika: you can cofigure grub to pick windows as the default
[13:31] <James147> ilika: I use ext4
[13:31] <ilika> I used Partition Magic 10, only options were ext 2 and 3
[13:31] <yofel> ilika: the default is ext4 which works fine, you can use ext3 if you want of course by doing manual partitionling
[13:32] <James147> ilika: the installer can formate the drive
[13:32] <yofel> (default in the installer)
[13:32] <ilika> ok im exactly on Disk Setup screen
[13:33] <ilika> I do see /dev/sda3 16.1 gb HD I made in windows
[13:33] <ilika> and I clicked "Install alongside other os's|" should I just continue with that?
[13:34] <James147> ilika: I would do manual partitioning... you can set it up exactly how you want it then
[13:35] <ilika> ah yeah, thats better
[13:36] <ilika> i see /dev/sda3 type: ext4 16gb, how would I take 3gb from that and make a swap
[13:37] <James147> ilika: I would just create a swap file after the installation...
[13:37] <ilika> hmm I clicked "new parition table" and created a swap, now it's thinking forever
[13:38] <James147> ilika: dont click that button :S
[13:38] <ilika> already did, and it said that there's no going back lol
[13:39] <James147> ilika: it will delete windows partitions.... (the change should be only in memory so you should be able to exit without actually doing anything
[13:39] <ilika> it will delete my windows paritions now? even though the ext4 parition was highlighted and then I clicked "new parition table"
[13:39] <ilika> ?
[13:40] <James147> ilika: new partition table create a new partition table for the disk.... dosent matter what partition is selected, it will delete them all
[13:40] <ilika> woops
[13:41] <ilika> can I just cancel it? reboot pc now?
[13:41] <James147> ilika: I would try going back then forward again (let it rescan the partitions, to see if it actually changed anything)
[13:42] <ilika> its still spinning..
[13:42] <James147> :S
[13:42] <ilika> I wonder what would happen if I just rebooted now
[13:44] <ilika> hey it worked fine
[13:44] <James147> ^^ you still have your partitions?
[13:44] <ilika> I see now /dev/sda3 swap  3000 mb, and free space 13,132 mb
[13:45] <ilika> yeah
[13:45] <ilika> i guess it formatted the ext only
[13:45] <ilika> i still see 2 ntfs (c: and d:)
[13:46] <ilika> ok, now, I need "device for boot loader installation"
[13:46] <James147> ilika: that should be /dev/sda for a single hdd system
[13:46] <ilika> yeah
[13:47] <ilika> i clicked install now it says "No root file system is defined"
[13:47] <James147> ilika: you need to sate which partition you want to install it to (set the mount point to '/')
[13:49] <ilika> i did, I highlighted /dev/sda4
[13:49] <James147> ilika: you need to edit it and set the mount point to /
[13:50] <ilika> yes
[13:50] <ilika> ext4 journaling file system, format partition, mount point /
[13:51] <olskolirc> i see according to the forums losing /dev/video0 happened when i plugged in my logitech 250 cam...how do I get /dev/video0 back its now /dev/video1 which just shows white space and no sound
[13:51] <ilika> James147: yeah I just edited it again, and it started setup
[13:52] <ilika> http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee14/apogee91/boot.jpg
[13:52] <James147> ilika: you havent set the mount point
[13:53] <olskolirc> how do I modprobe my video for my hauppauge pvr 150 please?
[13:54] <ilika> what keyboard should I choose if I have another language on my keyb?
[13:54] <ilika> Variant i mean
[13:55] <ilika> found it
[13:58] <ilika> what does sda stand for?
[13:58] <ilika> why isnt it hda
[13:59] <James147> ilika: sd started being used for the newer sata disks i believe, but is now just used for everything (on newer hardware at least) not entirly sure why
[14:14] <ilika> James147: it just loaded for first time, boy it looks different!
[14:15] <ilika> where do I setup wireless connection?
[14:16] <olskolirc> how do I modprobe for my hauppauge pvr 150 driver please?
[14:17] <James147> ilika: click the network widget thats probally in the systray
[14:17] <ilika> James147: it looks weird, the desktop has a search form i nthe middle, and all buttons are huge
[14:18] <James147> ilika: your using the netbook interface
[14:18] <ilika> how do I change it ?
[14:18] <ilika> i hate it
[14:19] <James147> ilika: system settings > workspace
[14:19] <James147> ^^ but the netbook interface is much better designed for smaller screens
[14:19] <ilika> what do you use? laptop appearnace
[14:19] <ilika> ?
[14:19] <James147> ilika: i use the desktop interface on my desktop and  the netbook on my netbook
[14:23] <ilika> hmm
[14:23] <ilika> i cant figure to change it to desktop look
[14:23] <James147> ilika: open system settings click on "workspace" and change the workspace type to desktop
[14:24] <ilika> Desktop theme?
[14:24] <ilika> air / air for notebooks / oxygen
[14:25] <ilika> i click apply and nothing happens
[14:25] <James147> ilika: no...
[14:25] <James147> not workspace appearence, just "workspace"
[14:26] <ilika> ahh
[14:26] <ilika> thats better
[14:30] <ilika> for some reason I am still not connected
[14:30] <ilika> I clicked network connections / wireless / add - scan
[14:30] <ilika> put the wpa2 personal password
[14:31] <ilika> and no ip yet
[14:31] <James147> ilika: click on the network widget in teh system tray
[14:32] <ilika> there we go
[14:34] <ilika> "the package firefox.... has not been found"
[14:34] <ilika> therefore it cannot be installed
[14:34] <James147> ilika: run this in a terminal: "sudo apt-get update"
[14:34] <ilika> ok
[14:34] <James147> (or click the "check for updates" button in kpackagekit)
[14:35] <ilika> kubuntu is really user friendly
[14:36] <James147> yup
[14:36] <ilika> James147: it's on 89% what does that cmd do?
[14:37] <ilika> updates all my packages?
[14:37] <James147> ilika: it fetches a new list of apckages and versions so that your computer knows whats availble (and what needs updating)
[14:37] <James147> ilika: it dosent actually upgrade the packages, just tells you what can be
[14:37] <ilika> and for installed packages does it auto update>?
[14:38] <ilika> ok
[14:38] <James147> ilika: this commands upgrades installed packages: "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[14:38] <ilika> whats the "winamp" for kubuntu?
[14:38] <James147> ilika: amarok :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> hi James147
[14:39] <James147> Hey BluesKaj
[14:39] <ilika> cool =]
[14:39] <ilika> i remember years agho it used to be xmmp or something
[14:39] <smooph> xmpp is more winamp style but kubuntu uses amarok as the default music player
[14:39] <James147> ilika: I would install 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' to get mp3 support as well as support for many other restricted formates
[14:40] <BluesKaj> google earth crashes ....here we go again , are we gonna have probs with them again , non of so called fixes on the forums work on my setup
[14:40] <ilika> how?
[14:41] <smooph> simplay play a mp3 in amarok
[14:41] <smooph> you will see
[14:41] <James147> ilika: to install kubuntu-restricted-extras search for it in kpackagekit or type on a command line (after the other commands have finished) "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-resstricted-extras"
[14:42] <BluesKaj> it seems libedvdcss2 isn't included in the restricted packages as before
[14:42] <smooph> it can't be for legal reasons i think
[14:42] <yofel> hm, there I want to try amarok again and I get no sound o.O
[14:42]  * yofel looks at phonon
[14:43] <ilika> happy holoween guys
[14:43] <yofel> +1
[14:43] <pipmuggen> Question about knetworkmanager and IPv6 in kubuntu 10.10. I do get an IPv6-address via DHCP if I am using dhclient manually, but with knetworkmanager I only get an IPv4 address. Why so? Do I have to enable something special in nm?
[14:43] <ilika> Halloween
[14:46] <yofel> great, pulse was last in the music output list o.O
[14:48] <ilika> how do I check how much GB is /home (sorry for such newbie questions)
[14:48] <yofel> ilika: not sure about the GUI method, cli would be 'df -h'
[14:51] <yofel> ah, opening the properties of a folder in /home will show the device size and usage too in dolphin
[14:51] <BluesKaj> pipmuggen, connected by ethernet ?, if so IPv6 is probly determined / set by your router
[14:52] <ilika> yofel: I cant see properties
[14:52] <yofel> ilika: right click -> properties
[14:53] <BluesKaj> net work manager is a pita , it should be banned , it works ok on common wifi chips on laptops
[14:53] <ilika> i only have add entires
[14:53] <ilika> entries
[14:53] <ilika> ah i see, thanks
[14:53] <ilika> file - properties
[14:54] <yofel> ah, that too, what I meant was: right click on the folder list (or a folder) and properlies is the bottom element in the list (at least here)
[14:54] <BluesKaj> Nm on ethernet is mainly useless../etc/network /nterfaces works well without NM
[14:55] <ilika> ok, thanks, and how can I disable the annoying window that pops up for a password each time I try to install a package
[14:56] <pipmuggen> BluesKaj: yep..
[14:57] <pipmuggen> ok, fuck nm then.. :/
[14:57] <IdleOne> !language | pipmuggen
[15:00] <BluesKaj> pipmuggen, check this out , http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[15:00] <smooph> hi i have a problem with the truecrypt
[15:00] <smooph> i want to allow 2 users access to the mounted volume
[15:00] <smooph> but truecrypt for some reason uses different options other from what i selected
[15:00] <smooph> http://pastebin.com/0vpgyVyZ
[15:00] <FloodBotK2> smooph: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> pipmuggen, and this , http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[15:01] <pipmuggen> BluesKaj: yeah, I know. thanks for ur help :)
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ok, hallowe'en stuff to do... later
[15:06] <TheLimeRunner> Hello
[15:06] <TheLimeRunner> I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 with Gnome, I want to try Kubuntu, installing the kubuntu-desktop package will let me use either Gnome or KDE right?
[15:10] <smooph> TheLimeRunner: yes
[15:11] <smooph> before you login you can choose the desktop
[15:11] <TheLimeRunner> Okay, thanks. I do it with LXDE as well but I just wanted to make sure it'd work with KDE too.
[15:11] <TheLimeRunner> Oh and one more question, can I use Synaptic in Kubuntu?
[15:11] <smooph> yes
[15:12] <TheLimeRunner> Okay, thanks. :)
[15:12] <smooph> kubuntu uses kpackagekit but you can of course use any gnome program you want ... it might look different than the rest
[15:13] <TheLimeRunner> I might try out kpackageit I've never really used it.
[15:13] <TheLimeRunner> Worth a shot.
[15:14] <smooph> its always good to try things ... I for example use pidgin (gnome) not kopete (kde)
[15:14] <TheLimeRunner> My gnome apps will work fine, just might look a little different?
[15:15] <smooph> yes
[15:15] <TheLimeRunner> Okay. :)
[15:15] <TheLimeRunner> KDE uses QT primarily, right?
[15:16] <smooph> yes
[15:17] <TheLimeRunner> ALright, thanks again.
[15:26] <deostroll> part
[15:51] <iksik> hello
[15:51] <iksik> any one is using INTEL GMA4500 under kubuntu mabe?
[15:53] <Frederick> hi folks justasmall foubst is it oki to install kubuntu 10.1 over an old install and rewrite the data over grub?
[15:54] <iksik> help please ;)
[15:56] <Seegorf> Afternoon peoples , i recently migrated to ubuntu  i'm looking for an irc client witch can be configured so i can have more them one channels in active view
[15:56] <Seegorf> any one can point me to the right client ?
[15:57] <Peace-> iksik: ?
[15:58] <Peace-> iksik: kubuntu 10.10 like ubuntu 10.10 has got some regression on intel video cards...
[15:58] <Peace-> unluckly
[15:58] <iksik> :/
[15:58] <iksik> then... there is no way to make it works?
[15:59] <Peace-> iksik: well thre could be....
[15:59] <Peace-> i mean upgrading the kernel
[15:59] <Peace-> with the new driver for intel card...
[16:00] <Peace-> but it's almost a waste of time...
[16:00] <Peace-> because ... is a danger thing
[16:00] <Peace-> unstability...
[16:00] <Peace-> and some stuff like that...
[16:00] <Peace-> iksik: i was on 10.10 but i came back to 10.04 here there is an intel gma945
[16:01] <iksik> well, i'm using 10.10. on mine desktop without issues ( but video is nvidia card )
[16:01] <iksik> 10.04 is installed on my developer worstation
[16:01] <Peace-> some video cards have problem with the new kernel
[16:01] <Peace-> i guess is written on the release note...
[16:02] <Peace-> !releasenote
[16:02] <Peace-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes
[16:03] <Peace-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes#Known Issues
[16:06] <iksik> hm
[16:06] <iksik> then i need to change distro :|
[16:21] <Peace-> iksik: well the kernel is alwasy a shit
[16:21] <tsimpson> Peace-: watch your language
[16:21] <Peace-> iksik: you always need to get a nice kernel
[16:21] <Peace-> tsimpson: yea yea
[16:22] <Peace-> tsimpson: could support a little more instead to controll this stuff?
[16:23]  * Peace- wandering if it0s abot
[16:23] <tsimpson> Peace-: my level of activity in this channel does not determine your adherence to the rules
[16:24] <iksik> Peace-, hmm, kernel is the only reason of it?
[16:24] <Peace-> iksik: kde it0s pretty  stable
[16:24] <Peace-> i mean kde 4.5.2 it's a good release so... the other problems must be only into the kernel
[16:25] <iksik> uhm
[16:25] <Peace-> iksik: i mean if you have not changed your devices
[16:26] <Peace-> you should keep the old kernel and upgrade kde
[16:26] <iksik> well this workstation is new, and in few days, i'll have another 3
[16:26] <iksik> ;/
[16:26] <iksik> with exactly the same intel;
[16:27] <Peace-> wow
[16:27] <Peace-> iksik: you could consider to keep kubuntu 10.04
[16:27] <Peace-> i guess it's nice release
[16:27] <andeeeuk> hey everyone
[16:27] <andeeeuk> has anyone in here installed unity to try it out?
[16:28] <iksik> Peace-, i've got 10.04 on my DVD, then it's default on all workstation
[16:28] <Peace-> iksik: **.10 release to me are not nice release
[16:28] <Peace-> andeeeuk: well this is kubuntu channel unity it's gtk stuff
[16:28] <Peace-> gtk stuff .... #ubuntu
[16:29] <andeeeuk> ok thanks
[16:29] <Peace-> iksik: i will consider to do not upgrade to XX.10 if you want a nice system anymore just use XX.04
[16:30] <Peace-> in these years i have seen less problem into XX.04
[16:32] <iksik> well, the system ( if it's not from MIcrosoft ) it's really doesn't matter for me... it can be recovered/reinstalled in few minutes if something will crash - developers are working on mounted filesystem from central server.. then ... ;] all files are safe
[16:52] <andreas> Sie haben den Kanal betreten
[16:52] <andreas> Sie haben den Kanal verlassen
[17:04] <cylob> why is ktorrent so slow
[17:11] <Argadan> Hi. I've got a problem that my NetworkManager does not see wifi. seems like it can't see the device itself. can someone help with that?
[17:11] <Argadan> using kubuntu 10.10
[17:31] <sinthetek> i seem to be having an issue in meerkat with my login themes. the 'get login themes' dialog indicates the new ones i chose have been installed but they don't show up in the selection
[17:32] <sinthetek> when i use 'Get New Themes', do i have to install them afterwards or something? if so, where do they get downloaded to?
[17:35] <maxp1864> ciao
[17:41] <Mamarok> sinthetek: that should be doable from the System Settings
[17:46] <sinthetek> Mamarok: yeah... it seems to 'Get' them but they do not appear
[17:47] <Spencer_> hello?
[17:47] <Spencer_> I need help
[17:47] <Mamarok> sinthetek: how did you get it anyway? Normally you do this in System Settings -> Workspace Appearance -> Desktop Theme, click on the Get New Themes button
[17:48] <Mamarok> that installs it
[17:48] <sinthetek> Mamarok: the only indication they are installed is that when i go to 'Get New Themes' again, it says 'Uninstall' next to the themes i installed
[17:48] <Mamarok> !ask  Spencer_
[17:48] <Spencer_> i need help
[17:48] <Spencer_> ;\
[17:48] <Mamarok> !ask | Spencer_
[17:48] <Spencer_> ok srry
[17:48] <sinthetek> Mamarok: i did it through system settings -> login screen -> Get new themes
[17:48] <Mamarok> sinthetek: and it is not in the list?
[17:48] <sinthetek> no
[17:49] <Mamarok> oh, you mean KDM theme
[17:49] <rethus> can i configure kde to show 2 virtual desktop at the same time on a big (26zoll) tft?
[17:49] <sinthetek> under the theme tab the only one it shows is still 'ethais'
[17:49] <rethus> background is:
[17:49] <Mamarok> maybe it's not working, these themes are 3rd-party, sometimes it goes wrong
[17:49] <Mamarok> sinthetek: which theme is it?
[17:50] <rethus> now i have 2 tft, but like to buy only one big one
[17:50] <sinthetek> i know one of them worked on my cousin's netbook, i tried to install several
[17:50] <Mamarok> sinthetek: give me an example so I can try
[17:50] <sinthetek> 'kubuntu close up edit', kstarboard kdm...
[17:51] <sinthetek> this is with meercat, by the way
[17:51] <Mamarok> yep, let me try that
[17:52] <sinthetek> brb
[17:52] <Spencer_> OK, I wanted to get ubuntu, and I have windows xp, so I got the ubuntu Windows installer and installed it, and I rebooted, and It had Windows xp on the boot menu and ubuntu, but when I go to ubuntu, it goes to either power saver mode then black, but the computer is still on, but its just black. or it goes to install ubuntu try ubuntu with out installing menu and its purple, when I click any of those things, it goes black then power sa
[17:52] <Spencer_> ver mode then black and repeats! So I went back on xp and I burned ubuntu to a CD and the same thing happpened but when I boot from CD, it goes black also. so I ordered a CD from the site and It should be here within 7-10 weeks but I dont want to wait, can someone help?
[17:53] <Mamarok> sinthetek: how silly, why does it give an external link? The Author should upload it to kde-looks.org, without causing that hassle to have to download it first
[17:53] <maco> Spencer_: same thing'll likely happen. teh shipit's are no different from your burned one. it seems to be mis-detecting your monitor
[17:54] <Spencer_> how  do i fix it
[17:56] <seawing> Can someone answer a question about a fresh 10.10 install?
[17:56] <Peace-> seawing: ?
[17:56] <Peace-> just jumped in
[17:56] <Peace-> what's your question
[17:57] <seawing> OK
[17:57] <Spencer_> can sum1 answer my question?
[17:58] <Spencer_> OK, I wanted to get ubuntu, and I have windows xp, so I got the ubuntu Windows installer and installed it, and I rebooted, and It had Windows xp on the boot menu and ubuntu, but when I go to ubuntu, it goes to either power saver mode then black, but the computer is still on, but its just black. or it goes to install ubuntu try ubuntu with out installing menu and its purple, when I click any of those things, it goes black then power sa
 ver mode then black and repeats! So I went back on xp and I burned ubuntu to a CD and the same thing happpened but when I boot from CD, it goes black also. so I ordered a CD from the site and It should be here within 7-10 weeks but I dont want to wait, can someone help?
[17:58] <seawing> so I did a fresh install and lots of things seem to be going wrong. things open really slow, firefox and opera will connect to the internet for a while then not. plasma crashed, etc.  do you think I just need to start over again?
[17:59] <maco> Spencer_: if someone knows the answer, they'll give it. repeating doesnt really help
[17:59] <Peace-> seawing: i suggest to  do
[17:59] <Spencer_> srry
[17:59] <Peace-> seawing: sudo apt-get update
[17:59] <Peace-> seawing: sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:59] <Peace-> seawing: sudo apt-get -f install
[17:59] <Peace-> seawing: if nothing happend
[17:59] <Peace-> seawing: create a new user , add to admin group
[18:00] <maco> Spencer_: the old cd mode, i'd have said hit f6 and remove "quiet splash" and put in "text" but the new cd is stupidly different... though, is this ubuntu or kubuntu? (you're in the kubuntu channel right now) -- the kubuntu cd is still the old way
[18:00] <Peace-> seawing: try to login with the new user
[18:00] <Peace-> seawing: if nothing happend i guess you have to remove kde and reinstall it
[18:01] <Peace-> to remove kde
[18:01] <Peace-> do this
[18:01] <seawing> reinstall KDE and not do a whole system install?
[18:01] <Peace-> seawing: you can install only kde
[18:01] <Peace-> before to reinstall everything
[18:01] <seawing> OK
[18:01] <Peace-> maybe some packaged is installed bad
[18:01] <Peace-> and so...
[18:02] <Peace-> seawing: you can find how to get pure gnome desktopp here http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome ...
[18:02] <Peace-> seawing: but... you have not to install gnome ...
[18:02] <Peace-> seawing: the last package is sudo apt-get install gnome-dektop
[18:03] <Peace-> and you have to remove that srting
[18:03] <Peace-> string
[18:03] <Peace-> and put sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:03] <Peace-> but it's a trick to get every kde packaged removed
[18:03] <Peace-> and reinstalled agaiun
[18:03] <Peace-> again
[18:04] <seawing> so, install gnome, remove KDE, then install KDE?
[18:04] <Peace-> no
[18:04] <Peace-> in that page there is a a stirng
[18:04] <Peace-> Remove Kubuntu
[18:04] <Peace-> that is a list of package
[18:05] <Peace-> to remove every kde -package
[18:05] <Peace-> so you have only the kernel
[18:05] <Peace-> ...
[18:05] <Peace-> but the last string is sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[18:05] <Peace-> you have not to copy that
[18:05] <Peace-> i mean it's something like that
[18:05] <Peace-> sudo apt-get remove akonadi-server akregator amarok amarok-commo adsfadfa basbbaabbadfasdkfghsahfashfiaosdhfioahsdfoahdfoidahfoa
[18:06] <Peace-> sudo apt-get remove akonadi-server akregator amarok amarok-commo adsfadfa basbbaabbadfasdkfghsahfashfiaosdhfioahsdfoahdfoidahfoa ; sudo apt-get install ubuntu-destkop
[18:06] <Peace-> you have to
[18:06] <Peace-> do instead
[18:06] <Peace-> sudo apt-get remove akonadi-server akregator amarok amarok-commo adsfadfa basbbaabbadfasdkfghsahfashfiaosdhfioahsdfoahdfoidahfoa ; sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:06] <Peace-> that is a trick to get kde removed
[18:06] <Peace-> and reinstalled again
[18:06] <Peace-> ...
[18:06] <FloodBotK2> Peace-: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:06] <Peace-> thank you FloodBotK2
[18:07] <Peace-> xD
[18:07] <Peace-> seawing: are you here?
[18:08] <maco> um what are the keyboard bashings for?
[18:08] <seawing> yyes
[18:08] <Peace-> maco: ?
[18:08] <maco> oh nevermind
[18:08] <Peace-> seawing: wait a moment
[18:08] <Peace-> seawing: have youi 10.10?
[18:08] <Peace-> seawing: or 10.04
[18:08] <seawing> 10.10
[18:08] <Peace-> ok
[18:08] <Peace-> wait
[18:09] <olskolirc> am in here/
[18:09] <olskolirc> ?
[18:09] <yofel> olskolirc: if you're asking if you're here, yes you are
[18:09] <olskolirc> thanks yofel
[18:10] <Peace-> seawing: you have to do http://pastebin.com/cL6rYa1t
[18:10] <Peace-> seawing: but only if the other solutions doesn't work
[18:11] <Peace-> good luck everyone reboting trying ppa kernel
[19:14] <leonardo_> !buona sera
[19:29] <buntunub> hey all, I am running Kubuntu Lucid and want to upgrade to KDE 4.5.2... Is there any way I can do this or does anyone know of a ppa that has it?
[19:30] <dborba> hey - anyone have any idea how i might be able to get beep to work on a shell? right now it produces no sound
[19:48] <yofel> buntunub: please see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.2
[19:50] <Spencer_> HELP PLZZZ
[19:54] <yofel> Spencer_: that's a rather tricky problem you have, I'm no expert on this, but can you try to add 'nomodeset' to the kernel boot line? if you didn't try that already (that should try a fallback video mode) do you know how?
[19:54] <Spencer_> no
[19:55] <Spencer_> how?
[19:57] <yofel> Spencer_: give me a sec, need to check how you do that on the live disk again..
[20:01] <yofel> Spencer_: maverick? kubuntu?
[20:02] <Spencer_> ubunto 10
[20:19] <slact> I have run out of ideas and knowledge on getting flash sound working with kde on linux mint...
[20:36] <chuy_max> hi, I want to login to my FTP server using a GUI. I can do it through ftp command (console), but I'm failing when I'm using any GUI, such as konqueror, filezilla and kftpgrabber
[20:36] <chuy_max> any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
[20:38] <dhalsimm> chuy_max, what is the error message you're getting
[20:39] <chuy_max> dhalsimm, in Konqueror I'm not getting any. I just get a blank page after entering my username and password. kftpgrabber stays here: *** Establishing data connection with <IP_ADDRESS>:30,107...
[20:40] <chuy_max> dhalsimm, filezilla says: Error:	Connection timed out. Error: Failed to retrieve directory listing
[20:40] <chuy_max> filezilla also says: Status: Server sent passive reply with unroutable address. Using server address instead
[20:41] <dhalsimm> chuy_max,  could it be from kde's proxy settings?
[20:44] <chuy_max> mmm, nope, no proxy settings
[20:58] <ForzaPalermo> hey guys how do you change back to ALSA in maverick... my sound card doesnt work now that it uses PULSE
[20:59] <david_> oups
[21:00] <ForzaPalermo> hmm actually it works, but only in my Virtual Machines.. not through Amarok, or anything in KDE
[21:00] <ForzaPalermo> that make any sense?
[21:03] <moetunes> !pulseaudio
[21:03] <yofel> ForzaPalermo: what is phonon set to use?
[21:04] <yofel> pulseaudio appears here as 'internal audio analog stereo'
[21:07] <ForzaPalermo> yofel: you wont bliev ethis, but since ive started my virtual machine, everyhting is working.
[21:07] <ForzaPalermo> my sound card now appears in kubuntu
[21:08] <ForzaPalermo> does that make any sense?
[21:09] <ForzaPalermo> hmm well ialso downloaded alsa-firmware-loaders. maybe that did it?
[21:10] <yofel> no idea, I don't know too much about sound, esp. not on the hardware side
[21:11] <ForzaPalermo> its just weird because it used to need specific drivers like a few versions back, then it just WORKED, now since the upgrade i had a problem, but never troubleshooted until tday.
[21:11] <ForzaPalermo> oh well as long as it works.
[21:23] <draik> What is the command for reinstalling grub?
[21:23] <neverwhere> sudo update-grub
[21:24] <neverwhere> have you completely removed grub?
[21:33] <draik> No, but I can't seem to boot from my 2nd HDD
[21:36] <yofel> update-grub doesn't reinstall grub, just updates the configuration
[21:37] <yofel> !grub2 | draik this should have some more info
[21:41] <sinthetek> Mamarok: no idea. also, why would it give an option to uninstall it if it isn't already installed?
[21:45] <javier__> hi.Got problems when upgrading to Maverick. kNetwork manager is my only program for connecting internet (just removed wicd, that was making problems) and shows "invalid state", though I'm connected to the internet. Someone can help me fixing it?
[21:51] <Mamarok> sinthetek: I didn't manage to install it either, but I also gave up a bit fast I think. We should talk to the author and suggest the packages are uploaded to http://kde-look.org instead of putting it on some external server. Also, making the splash screen more compliant with KDE would be a good idea, currently it's not
[21:54] <javier__> Hi. got problems with knetwork manager when upgrading to 10.10
[21:55] <javier__> im connected to the internet even when it says "invalid state" and it feels like its gonna make problems
[21:59] <chuy_max> hi, do you know how can I change Konqueror's ftp from passive mode to active mode?
[22:00] <javier__> I think it can be because I had knetwork maneger together with wicd, and now that I removed wicd, the problem persist
[22:00] <Sir_Konrad> after installing kubuntu-desktop on my Ubuntu 10.04 install, I get the KDE cursor on GNOME! How do I fix that?
[22:05] <yofel> Sir_Konrad: reconfigure the x-cursor-theme alternative
[22:09] <yofel> javier__: any errors in .xsession-errors
[22:10] <yofel> ?
[22:10] <yofel> and is the network-manager service started?
[22:10] <javier__> mmm
[22:10] <javier__> i will try to find an answer
[22:11] <yofel> 'initctl status network-manager' for the latter part
[22:12] <javier__> in konsole?
[22:13] <javier__> got "network-manager start/running, process 955"
[22:13] <yofel> ok, NM works then, I would look at ~/.xsession-errors for any KNM errors then
[22:15] <javier__> yofel: waw! that file is full of lines with errors :)
[22:15] <javier__> yofel: Im serching for KNM ones
[22:17] <yofel> that file contains all errors that the GUI applications you start in X would usually send to STDERR on konsole, so it's usually pretty large if you're logging in for a while
[22:18] <javier__> but couldnt find the word knetworkmanager there
[22:20] <yofel> javier__: are you using knm or the plasma applet? the plasma applet should be the default for maverick
[22:20] <javier__> yofel: I can't find it. But it must be a bug. KNM is the only program I have right now for connecting internet (I removed wicd a while ago) and it says Im not connect. And I am indeed
[22:20] <javier__> yofel: you mean I could be connected throw plasma applet?
[22:21] <amichair> after upgrade to maverick all the kmixer channel controls are gone, only main one left - any idea how to adjust the separate channels?
[22:21] <javier__> yofel: mmm, now I doubt. I could connected throw plasma applet
[22:23] <javier__> yofel: I mean, i dont know it. Im refering all the time as KNM to that icon I have in my sistem tray. The symbol of the program is kind of  blue "m"
[22:23] <yofel> javier__: can you check what package is installed? network-manager-kde or plasma-widget-management?
[22:23] <yofel> *plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[22:24] <yofel> (you can't have both installed by design)
[22:25] <javier__> yofel: you know, if got both of them. I checked it
[22:26] <javier__> yofel: thing is, is a new problem that connects with old problems im having
[22:26] <yofel> that somewhat... impossible, as the package manager should refuse to have them both installed...
[22:26] <javier__> so, i have installed kNM and wicd and unistalled them several times in the last few months
[22:26] <yofel> you *are* running maverick as you said?
[22:27] <javier__> yes, i am, i upgraded this afternoon
[22:27] <javier__> i went to kpackagekit and went to installed packages
[22:27] <javier__> and i have a lot of things
[22:27] <javier__> yofel: that one plasma-widget-networkmanager
[22:28] <javier__> and also "network-manager", "network-manager-pptp", "network-manager-pptp-gnome" and "network-manager-pptp-kde"
[22:29] <javier__> maybe somewhere there is the problem that is mixing up the whole thing
[22:29] <yofel> ok, installing the plasma widget should have removed knm though, do you have the widget actually in the panel? (the other NM package sound right)
[22:29] <yofel> *packages
[22:30] <javier__> but, what do you mean exacly with the widget in the panel? (sorry for my low knowledge with the english names :)
[22:30] <yofel> javier__: can you check .xsession-errors for *any* network messages? network messages here show up as 'kded(PID)/Network Management (service) ...'
[22:30] <javier__> in panel I have one icon
[22:31] <javier__> i find errors
[22:31] <javier__> I copy them
[22:31] <javier__> kded(1496)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig:
[22:32] <javier__> only that actually
[22:32] <javier__> in the panel what I have is an icon of the place where you connect the cable (meaning no cable connected, even I'm  using wired connection
[22:33] <javier__> if i click there, it says not available wired neither wlan
[22:33] <yofel> hm, ok, can you remove the Icon and add the widget again?
[22:34] <javier__> and i click in wlan (that's the weirdest) plasma breaks, something happens. I only see the icons of my desktop for 5 seconds (with no deskop behind them) and then everything comes back normal
[22:34] <javier__> ok, i'll do that
[22:37] <javier__> yofel: can you repeat that? I just lost your message
[22:38] <javier__> yofel: i have plasma-widget-networkmanager
[22:38] <yofel> javier__: try to remove the widget from the panel, then add the Network Management widget back again
[22:38] <javier__> ok, i did that already with no results
[22:39] <amichair> after upgrade to maverick all the kmixer channel controls are gone, only main one left - any idea how to adjust the separate channels?
[22:40] <yofel> javier__: do you get *any* reaction if you run 'sudo service network-manager restart' in konsole? (that will probably disconnect the network connection though)
[22:40] <javier__> yofel: well, I will try
[22:41] <javier__> yofel: got this: network-manager start/running, process 3197
[22:41] <James147> amichair: you should be able to via alsamixer (terminal app)
[22:41] <yofel> javier__: did widget react in any way?
[22:41] <javier__> yofel: no...
[22:42] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, seems like kded doesn't want to talk to network-manager o.O
[22:42] <amichair> James147: thanks, is this a known bug in kmix?
[22:42] <javier__> do you think i could remove some of those packages (those you said should have been removed) and restart?
[22:43] <javier__> maybe there is some interaction with so many packages and there is the problem
[22:43] <amichair> James147: actually, also in system settings multimedia device preferences there is no longer an option to select the output, they all appear the same ("Internal audio analog stereo")
[22:43] <yofel> javier__: well, can you first try if it happens with a blank kde configuration? (rename the .kde folder in your use home directory)
[22:43] <LOGAN> is there a version that has VLC, Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgen, Inkscape, Gimp and more apps that are multiplatform?
[22:43] <James147> amichair: Think it might be due to pulseaudio...  you could try clicking the configure channels button in kmix to see if they arnt just hidden
[22:44] <amichair> James147: nope, there's nothing there
[22:44] <yofel> *user home directory  - I'm getting tired :S
[22:44] <javier__> yofel: so, you mean, i just change .kde to .kdwhatever?
[22:45] <James147> javier__: or you can create a new user ^^
[22:45] <yofel> javier__: yes, or do it with a new user like James147 said
[22:46] <James147> LOGAN: version of what exactly?
[22:46] <javier__> mmm, im afraid i dont know how to do that...
[22:46] <javier__> close sesion and start with new user?
[22:47] <James147> javier__: you can create a new user from system settings (or run this in a terminal: sudo adduser USERNAME )
[22:48] <James147> javier__: then logout and login as the new user  (btw, what problem are oyu having?)
[22:48] <LOGAN> James147: version of Ubuntu or Kubuntu. (and in the future maybe Gubuntu?)
[22:48] <James147> LOGAN: umm... all of them
[22:48] <LOGAN> on live CD version actually
[22:48] <James147> LOGAN: all *ubuntu share the same repos so all the access to the same software... just install the programs you want
[22:49] <James147> LOGAN: hmm... then you might want to create a livecd from a desktop install with the software you want
[22:49] <LOGAN> want to showcase as live CD to friends, but with all the apps they know and love
[22:50] <javier__> ok
[22:50] <javier__> i will logout then
[22:50] <LOGAN> hmm making own live CD is to technical for me, I'm more of an graphician
[22:51] <James147> LOGAN: its not to hard: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[22:51] <James147> and will get you exactly what you want :)
[22:51] <amichair> James147: any idea if there's a pulseadio mixer or settings somewhere?
[22:52] <James147> amichair: not sure sorry
[22:52] <LOGAN> James147: lol no GUI for that?
[22:52] <amichair> James147: ok, thanks
[22:53] <LOGAN> James147: well thanks, that's not for me :)
[22:53] <James147> LOGAN: for creating a livecd? dont think so... although there someone has thorught it would be a good idea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCreator
[22:54] <James147> LOGAN: this might be easier to follow: http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/01/08/make-a-livecd-from-your-ubuntu-or-mint-system/
[22:55] <LOGAN> im more into 3D: http://picasaweb.google.com/albartus/TheRoom?feat=directlink
[22:55] <LOGAN> that at least I understand hehe
[22:55] <LOGAN> thanks for suggestions, Ill bookmark them
[23:04] <javier__> yofel: ey
[23:05] <javier__> in the new session everything was working well
[23:05] <LOGAN> LiveCDCreator probably isn't going to happen as the page itself is more than 2 years old
[23:05] <yofel> some configurations value is messing things up then :/
[23:05] <yofel> *configuration
[23:05] <diablodf> kubuntu too slow!
[23:06] <diablodf> kubuntu 10.10 too slow
[23:06] <javier__> i mean, the widget showed connection and plasma wasnt crashing when interacting with it
[23:06] <smooph> diablodf: maybe your computer is too slow
[23:06] <smooph> :D
[23:07] <amichair> James147: in case u ever need it, it's called pavumeter, and there's a panel icon overlord called padevchooser that among other things can open the former.
[23:08] <javier__> yofel: mhm... ay. and you could have any idea how to find that out?
[23:08] <diablodf> smooph: not the laptop! really has something wrong with kubuntu
[23:08] <diablodf> smooph: not the laptop! really has something wrong with kubuntu 10.10
[23:09] <yofel> javier__: I fear not, maybe someone else knows
[23:09] <yofel> diablodf: well, it's too slow doing.. what?
[23:10] <javier__> yofel: ok. thanks very much. well, you could help me a lot if you tell me how to ask about that... :/
[23:10] <James147> javier__: if its a problem with the widget then maby resetting plasma-desktop to its default settings might help (rename ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc)
[23:11] <diablodf> the screen is always crashing. I will upgrade again.
[23:11] <javier__> James147: i renamed it, but anything happened so far
[23:12] <James147> javier__: you need to restart plasma-desktop (logout and back in or run this: "killall plasma-desktop && sleep 2 && plasma-desktop"
[23:12] <javier__> ok
[23:12] <javier__> thanks a lot, I'll try that
[23:14] <javier__> James147: great, finally that worked :)
[23:14] <javier__> yofel: thanks also to you yofel
 possibly this will be my very slow here
[23:19] <javier__> James147: hell, i cannot remove now the other user :)
[23:19] <javier__> small damage for big improvements :)
[23:19] <James147> javier__: "sudo deluser --remove-home USERNAME"
[23:54] <Fanfare> Hi Folks, Desktop effect present windows slows down Desktop extremely. Anyone else having this issue?