[00:00] <xivulon> we should have the self-extracting inside the cd, and the non-selfextracting in ubuntu.com
[00:00] <xivulon> we should have the self-extracting inside the cd, and the non-selfextracting in ubuntu.com
[02:09] <giosue_c> as per my earlier question:  i'm trying to build a hardy alternate installer cd with cdimage.  germinate isn't finding some dependencies of the xubuntu-desktop package.  I think it is because the packages it requires are in universe, but the germinate command cdimage is using only looks at main.
[02:10] <giosue_c> i just want to make sure the solution gets in the logs
[02:10] <giosue_c> cjwatson advised me to make sure CDIMAGE_UNSUPPORTED was getting set.
[02:12] <giosue_c> he also advised me to workaround the strange cdimage mirror location (ftp-universe instead of just ftp).  The key here is not to do anything dumb in your workaround, which is what i did. :)
[02:13] <giosue_c> my final solution was to change the ftp-uinverse link in run-germinate to be plain old ftp.
[02:13] <giosue_c> that's all really.
[16:34] <davmor2> xivulon: afternoon (well almost eveing)
[16:40] <davmor2> Just doing the wubi install tests pronto
[16:41] <opapo> I want to create a bootable iso
[16:41] <davmor2> xivulon: Wubi is still not functioning from cd-rw but is from dvd-rw
[16:42] <opapo> I have copied/modified files from a cd and what to create a new bootable iso
[16:43] <opapo> I know about genisoimage, but I don't know about how to make a cd bootable
[16:46] <opapo> I will try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization?action=show&redirect=InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[16:50] <evand> davmor2: we had to back out the change that fixed bug 207137
[16:50] <evand> It wont make it for 8.04.1
[16:51] <davmor2> evand: No worries I clocked it after :)
[16:51] <davmor2> Thought I'd test it anyway as I had reported the original bug :)
[16:52] <davmor2> evand: xivulon: Vista's self extractor seems to be working okay so far from umenu I'll keep you informed :)
[16:58] <evand> fantastic
[17:00] <davmor2> evand: xivulon: Works nicely cd ejected bar completes and the system is currently installing Ubuntu after reboot :)
[17:03] <evand> hooray
[17:05] <davmor2> evand: Yeap
[17:06] <davmor2> evand: xivulon:  Migration-Assistant still isn't working with wubi though
[17:08] <davmor2> evand: is m-a working with vista yet do you know?
[17:12] <xivulon> hi davmor2, all good?
[17:12] <evand> negative, that will take some time that I don't have at the moment.  Hopefully I'll find a free weekend for it as it's not too much work (the registry format is largely unchanged).
[17:14] <evand> m-a as a whole needs updating though.  Firefox 3 doesn't seem to want to migrate old preferences over, so it looks like I'll have to rework that code with sqlite.
[17:14] <evand> err bookmarks
[17:14] <xivulon> evand see #release for non-selfextracting wubi.exe stand-alone
[17:27] <evand> xivulon: indeed
[17:30] <davmor2> Yay success on Vista :) full installed :)
[17:43] <davmor2> xivulon: quick query why does grub stall for 8 seconds when the norm is 3?
[18:08] <xivulon> davmor2 check what is the timeout in c:\ubuntu\disks\boot\grub\menu.lst
[18:09] <xivulon> I do not recall preseeding the timeout, would have thought that it would default to the standard case
[18:09] <xivulon> evand any clue?^
[18:09] <davmor2> xivulon: I'll check it out another time?  In a qa meeting and am now testing m-a
[18:09] <xivulon> np
[18:10] <xivulon> I would expect it to be 10 though from what you say
[18:25] <davmor2> evand: m-a is working on xp :)
[18:25] <davmor2> in i386 anyway
[18:29] <evand> hooray
[18:37] <giosue_c> I thought I understood how the installer worked, but now I'm not so sure.  I'm going to put some of my assumptions here and I would be obliged if somebody could point out the parts I am missing or don't understand....  Thanks in advance!
[18:37] <giosue_c> After the installer has booted itself it uses debootstrap to setup the target system.
[18:39] <giosue_c> ok.  maybe i don't understand at all how the thing works.
[18:39] <giosue_c> :(
[18:39] <giosue_c> i've got a ISO with a pool on it and an installer.  How does it know what to install?
[18:40] <giosue_c> Does it use the "Tasks"?  If so where do you specify what tasks to add?
[18:40] <cjwatson> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/talks/debconf6/paper/ might be a helpful thing to read
[18:40] <cjwatson> assuming you've already gone through the installation guide
[18:41] <giosue_c> ok.  i'll start there.
[18:41] <cjwatson> to set up the target system, it uses debootstrap followed by tasksel and a few additional tweaks
[18:41] <cjwatson> debootstrap installs Priority: required and important, while tasksel uses the Task fields
[18:42] <cjwatson> the default set of tasks to install is preseeded (/preseed/ in the ISO image)
[18:42] <cjwatson> and the preseed file to use is passed as file= on the kernel command line
[18:43] <giosue_c> so in the preseed file... when you preseed xubuntu-desktop to tasksel it is the task... not the metapackage of the same name.
[18:43] <giosue_c> right.
[18:43] <giosue_c> that would explain.
[18:44] <giosue_c> it kinda feels like xubuntu-desktop metapackage and xubuntu-desktop task are redundant.
[18:45] <giosue_c> i'm missing something subtle here.  why use the tasks at all, why not just install the xubuntu-desktop metapackage straightaway?
[18:46] <giosue_c> or if we have to use tasks why not just have the xubuntu-desktop task just install xubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[18:47] <cjwatson> it's the task, yes
[18:47] <cjwatson> there are some subtle differences
[18:47] <cjwatson> the metapackage is useful for convenient installation
[18:48] <cjwatson> but telling apt to install the task in the installer means that each component of the task can be separately recorded as explicitly installed, rather than automatically installed
[18:48] <cjwatson> both are useful
[18:51] <giosue_c> hmm.  interesting.  I guess i didn't know there was a difference between a package that was automatically vs. explicitly installed.
[18:51] <cjwatson> apt-get autoremove
[18:52] <cjwatson> also apt-mark
[18:53] <giosue_c> ok.  clearly i have some reading to do. :)
[18:55] <davmor2> evand: including the FF book marks from IE favourites
[18:56] <evand> curious.
[18:57] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I just noticed that d-i asks about using ntp if you don't setup a network connection
[18:57] <bdmurray> cjwatson: Is that worth reporting?
[19:01] <davmor2> evand: I got mail imap for google, bliss backdrop (making me puke) and FF bookmarks too
[19:01] <evand> heh, great
[19:06] <davmor2> evand: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/FFbm.png
[19:41] <opapo> I am creating a custom Ubuntu CD
[19:41] <opapo> I can get it to boot, but it says it is not an ubuntu cd
[20:37] <opapo> I get an "Unknown suite Hardy" error using dfsbuild
[20:38] <opapo> everywhere where there is a suite or dlrepos there is a "hardy"
[21:05] <evand> cjwatson: Do you know of a way to shoehorn cdebconf onto the live cd environment?
[21:38] <cjwatson> just install the package of that name? should be coinstallable
[21:39] <cjwatson> opapo: that usually means you left out the (hidden) .disk directory on the CD, specifically .disk/info
[21:40] <cjwatson> bdmurray: mm, yes, probably - file it on clock-setup please
[21:40] <evand> that's what I figured, but it complains about being unable to initialize the database once I try to write to it.
[21:40] <cjwatson> you probably have to set one up by hand with its debconf-loadtemplate implementation
[21:41] <cjwatson> see Debian bug 451130
[21:41] <evand> ah, I was actually just looking at that a moment ago.
[21:41] <evand> thanks!
[22:05] <opapo> cjwatson: I did not have .disk included
[22:07] <opapo> that did not work
[22:26] <cjwatson> evand: what are the cdebconf-specific things you ran across in localechooser?
[22:26] <cjwatson> oh, column alignment?
[22:49] <cjwatson> evand: I think we should probably add the directive and column alignment stuff to debconf ...
[23:06] <evand> that bit me at first, but I was referring to Choices-en.UTF-8
[23:18] <cjwatson> that should be supported in debconf, I thought
[23:21] <evand> I thought so, but it appears to report back nothing.  There definitely seems to be some disparity between localechooser in d-i and on the live cd as in the latter you don't end up with the correct default selections for the country questions.
[23:22] <evand> whereas it works just fine in d-i and the previous version works fine on the live cd.  I appear to have everything it needs in the PATH, and I don't see anything else I might've set up wrong.
[23:22] <cjwatson> happy to have a look tomorrow if you can throw me over a WIP patch
[23:23] <evand> surely, will do
[23:23] <evand> and thanks


[00:28] <Velveeta_Chef> howdy
[04:44] <chuckmcm> urraka: you still there?
[08:34] <haudrauf> good morning - I run xubuntu since 2weeks, and like it very much. But, after the last installation I can think of (i2p), after the successfull login the session end automatically and returns to the user selection screen. when I start a console, and type 2"startx" all seems to work normal. Any idea how to find the error?
[08:39] <haudrauf> I'v put the dmesg log here https://paste.ubuntu.com/17023063/
[09:46] <jdwwatts> hello world
[14:57] <yoLo_> hello
[14:57] <yoLo_> is the bashrc file where i add my new path ??
[14:59] <yoLo_> i want to add a path
[15:00] <krytarik> yoLo_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#Persistent_environment_variables
[15:03] <marvinisan> Hi, everyone! Am I right to think that xUbuntu is the fastest and user friendly Linux distribution?
[15:05] <marvinisan> By the way, I am from Brazil. So some fails on written English may occur.
[15:05] <yoLo_> marvinisan: .. we're all individuals and our opinions may vary
[15:06] <marvinisan> But do known some other user friendly Linux fastest than xUbuntu?
[15:06] <marvinisan> I am new at Linux enviroments!
[15:07] <yoLo_> marvinisan: i can't really tell you which distro is fastest..
[15:07] <yoLo_> we get distros for certain purposes
[15:09] <marvinisan> It seems to me that this distribution is similar to the user experience by WindowsXP! (Sorry if it seems a dumb comparission)
[15:21] <ranu> marvinisan, I am brazilian, if you want to talk, I'm open :-)
[17:01] <freerider> hello
[17:02] <freerider> I have installed xubuntu on my htpc and I currently having a issue everytime I turn off and on again my tv.
[17:03] <freerider> currently running 16.04 but this bug seems to around sin at least 14.04 from what I have found online.
[17:04] <freerider> Those are pages talking about the bug I'm having:
[17:04] <freerider> https://askubuntu.com/questions/477138/xubuntu-14-04-black-screen-after-monitor-off-on
[17:04] <freerider> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1308105
[17:06] <freerider> Any help would be appreciated...
[17:09] <freerider> ubottu: have you succeed to fixed this problem?
[17:09] <freerider> k :)
[17:10] <freerider> Is there someone watching this channel at the moment?
[17:22] <flocculant> freerider: I managed to deal with it by using https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107#c48
[17:23] <flocculant> made a script - added it to session startup
[17:23] <flocculant> that said - others with the same issue didn't get that to help - you could at least try
[19:04] <xubuntu79d> can somevan help me
[19:05] <xubuntu79d> how to use window border numix with compiz on xubuntu 16.04
[19:12] <xubuntu79d> nobady here
[19:12] <xubuntu79d> somevan alive around here
[19:22] <xubuntu79d> pls help me
[19:22] <xubuntu79d> somevan here
[19:23] <knome> !patience | xubuntu79d
[19:25] <xubuntu79d> can somevan help,i enable compiz on xubuntu 16.04,how to change my window border,i try in window decoration,dconfig,not changing enithing
[23:20] <kilbith> hello, does Compton currently uses xrender or glx as backend ?
[23:39] <kholdstayre> i have set my xubuntu to never sleep, and the monitor to never go black, in the power manager settings. nevertheless, it times out after about 10 mins of inactivity, anyone know how to get it to stop sleeping?


[08:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4630 Updates pocket
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4662 Failed to build (impish/gcc-11). Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (impish/binutils)
[16:44] <Guest42> is the ci for Cloud-init, or continuous integration?
[20:51] <Guest42> anybody can help with cloud-init?