[05:02] <aritchie_> Can someone answer a few questions about using apt-get ?
[05:08] <JoseeAntonioR> !ask | aritchie_
[05:08] <ubot2> aritchie_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[05:12] <aritchie_> Sorry :( How do I check the version of the program that will be installed with apt-get ? Using apt-cache show displays 3 different versions, apt-get doesn't say the version
[05:27] <geirha> apt-cache policy
[05:32] <aritchie_> Sweet, thank you.
[10:10] <raub> Have an ubuntu 12.04LTS install that when I reboot, it stops at the grub menu screen. And it does not do the countdown thingie
[10:12] <raub> i.e. I would expect it to wait a number of seconds before continuing on its own, but it instead just waits indefinitively at that screen
[10:19] <borozm> Hi, need to know hoy to recover icon of network devices at the bottom of desktop
[10:31] <semvoz> is there anyone from the ubuntu project around? :)
[10:33] <smartboyhw> semvoz, just tell us the problem
[10:35] <semvoz> hmm, I do not have 'a problem', I would like to give a hand to the ubuntu project
[10:35] <semvoz> I registered on launchpad (gpg, ssh, signed the ubuntu chart, etc)
[10:35] <semvoz> but don't really know where to start :)
[10:38] <smartboyhw> semvoz, ah good:D
[10:38] <smartboyhw> semvoz, what do you want to do? Development, documentation, testing, support or?
[10:38] <semvoz> I am a developper so, I guess it may be a good idea to develop ;)
[10:39] <smartboyhw> semvoz, joining #ubuntu-devel may be good for you:D
[10:39] <semvoz> I also speak French (my first language) and English (am living in Australia) so I can also help for some translations
[10:39] <smartboyhw> semvoz, good:D
[10:40] <semvoz> will do that, agreed it may be a good idea ^_^
[10:40] <smartboyhw> semvoz, ^^
[10:41] <semvoz> thanks for your help, will try to figure out what to do next around :D
[10:44] <smartboyhw> ;d


[12:04] <Tenris> Error 21
[12:04] <jrib> you'll have better luck in #ubuntu, this channel is usually dead
[12:05] <Tenris> i've tried :-(
[12:05] <jrib> try a bit later when new people are around, also try the forums and/or mailing list
[12:05] <Tenris> Yes :-(
[08:05] <nalioth> !firefox
[08:05] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins


[03:17] <pitti> Good morning
[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[09:50] <cjwatson> ubuntu-mir: please have a look at bug 1184927
[10:12] <yolanda> pitti, tested clamd locally and works, do you know why it can be failing?
[10:17]  * pitti runs it in a VM
[10:26] <pitti> whoa, this takes a long tie
[10:26] <pitti> time, even
[10:28] <brendand> it looks to me like touchpad's used to have a 'Touch mode' attribute in xinput --list, but now they don't? but touchscreens still do
[10:32] <cjwatson> didrocks,doko: could either of you have a look at bug 1184927?
[10:32] <didrocks> cjwatson: just answered on it, promoting now
[10:32] <cjwatson> ah, thanks
[10:32] <didrocks> yw :)
[10:33]  * cjwatson gives it a bug sub as well
[10:34] <pitti> yolanda: succeeds here too (I already ran it yesterday); perhaps this needs network access?
[10:35] <didrocks> (done)
[10:35] <pitti> yolanda: the DC has restricted network access; there is a proxy
[10:35] <yolanda> pitti, this just tests that the daemon starts, but let me try without internet access anyway
[10:36] <pitti> yolanda: the test runs awfully long, perhaps the daemon itself is downloading stuff at first startup?
[10:36] <pitti> yolanda: in that case, perhaps the test can put in a tiny dummy DB
[10:39] <yolanda> pitti oh, yes, the freshclam
[10:39] <yolanda> that's the issue, yes
[10:39] <yolanda> without that, clamd doesn't start
[11:11] <xnox> doko: when are you planning to have first archive rebuild? after Debian Import Freeze?
[11:11] <doko> xnox, when binutils is updated to the trunk, hopefully next week
[11:12] <xnox> doko: ok, awesome.
[11:13] <tvoss> ogra_, ping
[11:13] <ogra_> tvoss, jau
[11:15] <pitti> could anyone sponsor my systemd upload in http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/ (systemd_202-0ubuntu8_source.changes)
[11:15] <pitti> I lost my GPG key an hour ago, and it's kinda nontrivial to retrieve it :(
[11:16] <cjwatson> moment
[11:16] <pitti> cjwatson: ^ FYI, this adds the /sbin/udevadm symlink to the initramfs
[11:16] <cjwatson> ta, was hoping for that :)
[11:20] <cjwatson> pitti: done
[11:21] <asac> so i am not sure whats going on :)
[11:21] <asac> i am stuck at runlevel N 2 ... with / being ro mounted
[11:22] <asac> but can't find any error in dmesg etc.
[11:22] <asac> i can mount / -o remount to get a writeable FS
[11:22] <asac> and use irrsi now :)
[11:23] <asac> any ideas?
[11:23] <asac> this is raring
[11:24] <tseliot> cjwatson: do you mind if I remove ${misc:Depends} from nvidia-persistenced? It's because of this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709482
[11:25] <cjwatson> tseliot: uh, file-rc doesn't exist in Ubuntu, so there's no need to take account of that bug in Ubuntu
[11:25] <cjwatson> So yes, I mind :)
[11:25] <tseliot> cjwatson: oh but we don't have that version of sysv-rc either
[11:26] <cjwatson> Sure we do
[11:26] <cjwatson>    sysv-rc | 2.88dsf-41ubuntu1 |         saucy | all
[11:27] <tseliot> cjwatson: what about Precise? I'm supposed to backport this to Precise
[11:27] <cjwatson> tseliot: precise has a different dh_installinit
[11:28] <cjwatson> And it doesn't add that dependency - if it did we would be in trouble!
[11:29] <pitti> cjwatson: cheers
[11:29] <cjwatson> tseliot: You know that pretty much every other package in the distro that ships upstart jobs relies on dh_installinit, right?
[11:30] <cjwatson> If it works for them, it ought to work for you
[11:30] <cjwatson> I don't mind if you need some tweaks, but dh_installinit should be the baseline
[11:31] <tseliot> cjwatson: ok, it's the first time I use it and I'll keep it in mind for any other packages that install upstrart jobs
[11:55] <ogra_> xnox, if you feel like taking a look, i just uploaded android-tools with an adbd patch
[11:56] <ogra_> (surely needs more cleanup)
[11:56] <xnox> ogra_: cool.
[11:58] <hrw> ogra_: looks like it is around time for me to take a look at ubuntu changes ;D
[11:59] <ogra_> hrw, yeah, we're at ubuntu4 already :)
[12:00] <hrw> ogra_: ;)
[12:01] <hrw> ogra_: and I can do changes only though Debian now ;)
[12:01] <ogra_> well, you dont want my latest patch directly in debian i guess
[12:01] <ogra_> it largely duplicates core/adb
[12:02] <asac> xnox: hey ... any idea how i can find out why my system mounts / in ro?
[12:02] <hrw> ogra_: it adds new binary package so I would not be able to upload it anyway
[12:02] <asac> xnox: i cant find anything interesting in dmesg/syslog
[12:02] <asac> have run fsck in recovery ... no errors
[12:02] <ogra_> i guess you rather want to build twice in core/adb and have it spit out adb annd adbd in succession
[12:02] <asac> etc.
[12:03] <ogra_> hrw, oh, now i get it
[12:03] <asac> xnox: also nothing about mount in /var/log/upstart ... no clue what is going on :)
[12:04] <xnox> ogra_: to be honest your way is cleaner than doing two vpath builds & dealing with clashing objects. Why did you commit the tree instead of doing "cp adb/ adbd/" in debian rules as first step, and "rm -rf adbd/" in clean?
[12:04] <xnox> (s/commit/add to the patch/)
[12:04] <hrw> +1 to xnox note
[12:04] <xnox> or are the two trees different?
[12:04] <ogra_> xnox, because it isnt completely identical
[12:05] <mitya57> xnox, doko: hi, what's the status of qt4-x11/gcc fixes?
[12:05] <mitya57> do you want a patch from me that disables pch?
[12:05] <xnox> ogra_: i thought it was mostly conditionals + some extra files for the other one.
[12:05] <ogra_> well, diff the two dirs :)
[12:05] <xnox> mitya57: yes, that is the way forward at the moment.
[12:05] <xnox> ogra_: ok, I should.
[12:05] <xnox> ;-)
[12:05] <ogra_> most can likely be #IFDEFed
[12:06] <xnox> asac: /var/log/boot.log?
[12:06]  * mitya57 copies some lines from debian
[12:12] <ev> stgraber, ogra_: I don't suppose either of you know where we stand on the chroot flip on ubuntu mobile, and if there is a bug or ML thread or something that I can use to track progress?
[12:13] <ogra_> dunno, ubuntu mobile is dead since a few years :P
[12:13] <ogra_> ev, but joking aside, we should have something by end of the week
[12:13] <ev> hahaha
[12:13] <ev> cool
[12:13] <mitya57> xnox: lp:~mitya57/kubuntu-packaging/qt-no-pch (not tested, obviously)
[12:14] <ogra_> ev, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-containers-host-client-ubuntu-android
[12:14]  * Laney meeps at mitya57
[12:14] <Laney> I saw you were looking at getting vte.sh sourced somehow - where does that stand?
[12:14] <xnox> mitya57: thanks, will run a test build on arm here.
[12:14] <ev> ah! That's exactly what I was after. Thanks ogra_
[12:14] <ogra_> ev, i should be done with the initrd stuff today and will start working on the lxc bits
[12:15] <mitya57> Laney: after your update in Debian it stopped working for me
[12:16] <Laney> you should just have to source it
[12:16] <Laney> that works for me anyway
[12:16] <mitya57> I also asked doko to see if we can create something like /etc/bash.rc.d, but he didn't say anything yet
[12:16] <asac> xnox: doesnt complain about anythging there
[12:16] <asac> let me reboot one more time
[12:16] <doko> ugly
[12:17] <mitya57> Laney: but we aren't going to make all users source it from their ~/.bashrc, right?
[12:17] <Laney> no
[12:17] <Laney> but I don't know what a good solution looks like
[12:18] <mitya57> doko: maybe we can follow Fedora (i.e. source /etc/profile.d/* in both login and non-login shells)?
[12:18] <doko> apw, ogasawara : did you have a chance to have a look at the binutils in ubuntu-toolchain-r/test ?
[12:20] <Laney> mitya57: A parallel solution will have to be done for zsh too
[12:22] <Laney> (since vte.sh supports it)
[12:28] <mitya57> Laney: yes, and that sounds like the least hacky solution to me (following Fedora)
[12:28] <Laney> I don't know anything about the arguments for/against that, but I bet people have opinions
[12:29] <mitya57> Laney: "after your update in Debian it stopped working for me" — please ignore, works fine now
[12:33] <xnox> asac: not sure how to get more logs, as well filesystem is readonly and we need to output logs somewhere.... have you tried booting in to live CD and doing fsck / mounting the filesystem to see if everything is ok with it?
[12:38] <apw> doko, now i did start, but i can nolonger remember how far i got
[12:43] <yolanda> hi, i'm looking to install clamav-freshclam database files locally, but i'd like to have a set of smaller files to embed them, anyone knows about it? clamav-freshclam files are more than 30mb each
[12:59] <tvoss> mmrazik|afk, ping
[12:59] <mmrazik> tvoss: pong
[13:26] <tseliot> cjwatson: if the diff looks good to you I'll reupload nvidia-persistenced
[13:26] <cjwatson> tseliot: it's fine with the modification I sent by mail
[13:32] <psusi> cjwatson: the bzr branch of grub2 appears to be buggered... trying to build a clean bzr branch of lp:ubuntu/grub2 gets me a bunch of dpkg-source errors about upstream files changed, a number of which it thinks are binary files even though they are not.
[13:32] <cjwatson> psusi: wrong branch anyway
[13:33] <cjwatson> apt-cache showsrc grub2 | grep ^Vcs
[13:34] <psusi> cjwatson: I thought that lp:ubuntu/grub2 was an alias to that ( at the appropriate release )?
[13:35] <cjwatson> It is not
[13:36] <cjwatson> Sorry
[13:36] <cjwatson> If I make it an alias then the automatic importer will start mucking around with it and I don't want it to
[13:37] <zul> mterry:  ping
[13:38] <psusi> ugh... sucks having multiple branches especially when the canonical one is bad
[13:41] <cjwatson> Honestly I'd rather finish getting everything synced up with Debian and then completely ignore any Ubuntu branches
[13:43] <mterry> zul, pong, about the MIRs?  I'm going to look at them today
[13:43] <zul> mterry:  cool thanks
[13:44] <psusi> whether they are actively used for development or not, you should still be able to branch from them and get the correct and working sources
[13:45] <psusi> even if it is just an auto import of the source deb
[13:46] <cjwatson> Sorry, not a problem I'm going to spend any time on
[13:46] <cjwatson> I'm sure it can be made to work with some fiddling
[13:48] <cjwatson> But it's not worth any of my time, because any branches people create based on that won't be mergeable into the branches I care about anyway
[13:59] <psusi> cjwatson: lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/raring/grub2/raring also fails to build.. quilt patches won't apply because they are already applied... I am guessing you did a merge from the debiaan branch that already had them applied into the ubuntu branch, which keeps them unapplied?
[13:59] <psusi> maybe I'll have better luck with apt-get source...
[14:03] <iBelieve> Is there any requirement for the language and toolkit chosen for working on new Ubuntu apps? I worked on Contributor Console a while back (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributorConsole) using Gtk and Python, but I would prefer to use Qt and C++ or Python. Would this be okay?
[14:03] <xnox> iBelieve: yes.
[14:05] <iBelieve> xnox, Yes, meaning yes it is okay? I know Ubuntu apps can be written in any language & toolkit, but I wanted to double check on this since it is an Ubuntu-designed app for inclusion in Ubuntu.
[14:08] <xnox> iBelieve: we often have preferred technologies and toolkits, but it's not very constrained. Something GUI targetting desktop can be written in Gtk/Qt in any of languages those support. For touch friendly UI on Ubuntu Touch platforms QML/Qt is the only one supported at the moment.
[14:09] <xnox> iBelieve: all of above toolkits are in "main" and are good dependencies, that will be provided on Ubuntu for a long time.
[14:10] <brendand> xnox, thanks for the pyqt5 info :)
[14:10] <iBelieve> xnox, Okay, thanks for clarifying that for me.
[14:10] <xnox> brendand: =)))) hehe.
[14:11] <brendand> xnox, do you know anything about how to add bindings?
[14:11] <brendand> xnox, or someone who does?
[14:11] <xnox> brendand: i have a branch & ppa somewhere with best efforts. Not sure where mitya57 hosts his at the moment. But yeah, there are not enough bits to have Declarative2.0 nor even attempt running Ubuntu Touch components.
[14:13] <xnox> brendand: well riverbank uses "sip" to generate bindings from C++ libraries, so if you look into pyqt source package you will notice all the files that are used to create the bindings from the c++ Qt libraries. But I don't have more info/knoweledge in writing those.
[14:14] <brendand> xnox, having a look at your best efforts might be informative
[14:14] <brendand> xnox, yeah i saw about sip, but no idea how to use it
[14:14] <xnox> brendand: i'm guessing we'll need bindings for QtQuick + any other qtubuntu-* libraries we wrote.
[14:15] <xnox> but I'd rather wait for riverbank to wrap QtQuick, it's getting closer.
[14:15] <brendand> xnox, yeah, but we somewhat don't have the luxury of time
[14:15] <xnox> brendand: what's the story with python? I would rather thought that python uses too much memory and battery to run UI apps.
[14:16] <xnox> brendand: oh. we need python?! I see. when do you want it by? july? october?
[14:17] <tseliot> cjwatson: I think I've fixed it for good
[14:17] <brendand> xnox, well this isn't quite what you think it is i guess
[14:17] <brendand> xnox, we have the whole core of our application written in python
[14:17] <brendand> xnox, and we have to implement a ui in the next 3 months
[14:18] <brendand> xnox, so we need to decide the toolkit to use
[14:19] <brendand> xnox, ubuntu sdk sounds good, but then there's the question of interfacing with the python core
[14:19] <brendand> xnox, we aren't even neccesarily talking about running on the phone
[14:19] <ogra_> long trem that will be the same :)
[14:20] <xnox> brendand: i see.
[14:20] <ogra_> *term
[14:20] <ogra_> theoretically depending on the platform api should get you what you want
[14:21] <xnox> brendand: it's a hard choice. And python-qt5 is not here yet. But using pyqt4 (without deprecated / removed in qt5 functionality) should be ok. You will not have QtDeclarative 2 (aka quick) today, but there is declarative 1 packaged with pyqt4.
[14:22] <xnox> brendand: I am expecting that saucy will ship pyqt5 in one way or another. And there is a chance it will have declarative (aka QtQuick)
[14:22] <brendand> xnox, i was of the understanding that the ubuntu sdk will not work with Qt4
[14:23] <xnox> brendand: it doesn't. ubuntu-sdk = Qt5 + custom touch widgets for mobile/touch platforms + webkit (... and JS frameworks) + other libraries (e.g. android hw sensors)
[14:23] <xnox> it's a meta-package =)
[14:24] <xnox> brendand: at the moment python is not part of it, at all.
[14:24] <brendand> xnox, ok, so if we narrow down to just the widgets - can we use that with Qt4?
[14:25] <brendand> xnox, that's really all we want
[14:25] <xnox> brendand: but if you are after python, using pyqt4 with expectation to migrate to pyqt5 once it's availabe. is the best bet.
[14:25] <brendand> xnox, we mainly want to avoid writing our own widgets
[14:25] <cjwatson> psusi: I strongly prefer keeping patches applied, yes.  Use http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710351/ if it helps
[14:26] <xnox> brendand: well the desktop UI widgets is part of standard Qt and are available in both qt4 & qt5. (the ones to drive with mouse ;-) )
[14:26] <xnox> brendand: the UbuntuTouch components are for Qt5 with QML and QtQuick only at the moment.
[14:26] <cjwatson> psusi: You're mistaken that the Ubuntu branch keeps them unapplied - it's just that .pc isn't checked in
[14:26] <cjwatson> So you can use that dpkg-quilt-setup script to initialise things properly
[14:27] <xnox> brendand: maybe you should talk to ubuntu-sdk team. they might have better answers for you.
[14:32] <yolanda> anyone with experience with clamav?
[14:32] <Laney> yolanda: try ScottK
[14:33] <yolanda> ScottK , i'm trying to generate a set of small cvd files just for testing, without connecting to net and executing freshclam, but i'm having some issues
[14:34] <qengho> Hi all.  I'm talking with an upstream who is introducing a "helpful" step in their build system that bodily copies 'foo-dev' package's files into their source tree, overwriting ones there already, if you indicate that you don't want to use their bundled foo library.  There's no obvious "clean" step after this. I think I should argue with them that this is a bad idea, but I don't know all the rationalle in debian-policy for the clean step of rules.
[14:34] <qengho> What problems does it solve?
[14:35] <qengho> We compare the result of clean to the orig tarball, right?  Why?
[14:36] <xnox> qengho: whilst it's unhelpful, you just have to make sure you use e.g. a bzr branch for packaging and do $ bzr bd to do out of the tree builds. If you do not intend to patch the libraries, then you can extend ./debian/source/options to ignore diff in the mangled directory.
[14:36] <xnox> see dpkg-source manpage for more info.
[14:37] <qengho> xnox: okay, yes, am using bzr u-d-d and it's 3.0 (quilt) format.
[14:38] <xnox> qengho: the package should build twice in a row, as per debian policy. So clean; binary; clean; binary should work from the same unpacked tree. And there are plently of package that modify their original sources at build time.
[14:38] <xnox> so yeah, just extend ignore diff option, and carry on.
[14:38] <qengho> xnox: yes,  I do not intend to patch any of the files that they'd be copying in to their tree from the rest of the distro..
[14:41] <smb> pitti, Do "we" know of any udev related issues in current saucy? (maybe related to previous udevadm mentioned)
[14:42] <pitti> smb: until a few hours ago we didn't have the /sbin/udevadm compat symlink in the initramfs
[14:42]  * smb sees Xen guest failing to mount/find /dev elements and there are missing lvm symlinks
[14:42] <tvoss> mmrazik, ping
[14:42] <pitti> aka bug 1184066
[14:43] <pitti> smb: oh, I don't know about that one
[14:43] <smb> pitti, Yeah, the guests probably have that issue
[14:43] <smb> I mean not getting /dev/null and such
[14:43] <pitti> so far I have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bugs under tight control (and am subscribed)
[14:43] <cjwatson> 1184066 shouldn't affect xen guests itself, unless they have scripts that call /sbin/udevadm
[14:43] <mmrazik> tvoss: pong
[14:43] <pitti> even that, in the actual system the symlink has always been there
[14:43] <cjwatson> ... in the initramfs, yes
[14:44] <cjwatson> the only ones I found in my initramfs were casper and cryptsetup, and I fixed both
[14:44] <cjwatson> hardcoded paths are evil even if they're correct :)
[14:44] <smb> It feels like the mini-isos / pxeboot I use to install miss things in initramfs
[14:45] <cjwatson> It would help me if you could explain a bit more precisely what you're seeing?
[14:45] <cjwatson> e.g. which stage of installation / boot are things failing at, with what error messages, etc.
[14:46] <smb> cjwatson, I try pxeboot installs which get a kernel panic when trying to kill init and the last messages before say /dev/null cannot be found (twice) and mounting /dev/pts fails
[14:46] <cjwatson> smb: exactly which image?
[14:46] <cjwatson> (url)
[14:47] <smb> cjwatson, A second, I have to check what cobbler-ubuntu-import goes for
[14:47] <cjwatson> pitti: fwiw, udev-udeb is missing the symlink too - that might not hurt
[14:47] <cjwatson> rather, adding it there too might not hurt
[14:48] <pitti> cjwatson: ack; do you want that uploaded now, or should I just stage it in git?
[14:49] <stgraber> wgrant: FYI, I just "fixed" the lxc saucy branch in UDD. The old branch was completely messed up so I moved it to lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/lxc/broken-saucy, took the raring branch, re-imported all the .dsc for saucy and pushed to lp:~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/lxc/saucy then changed the branch for the saucy-release to point to it
[14:49] <smb> cjwatson, http://archive.ubuntu.com/dists/$REL/main/installer-$ubuntu_arch/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[14:49] <smb> cjwatson, But let me run the update again to make sure it really is current
[14:50] <cjwatson> should be easy for me to have a look - one sec
[14:50] <cjwatson> pitti: let me see how pervasive the problems are
[14:50] <stgraber> wgrant: I expect the importer to be a bit grumpy about this, however since it hasn't been working for us for over a year anyway, it's not really bothering us that much :)
[14:53] <smb> cjwatson, Ok not changed but the correct url is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[14:54] <cjwatson> smb: something is very unhappy here (testing i386), but I'm not sure it's udev's fault
[14:57] <cjwatson> smb: (bug 1185053, concurrently, from plars)
[14:57] <smb> cjwatson, It could be something else causing /dev elements to be missing. I was just first-guessing udev because on the already installed host running saucy I got this weird thing of not all symlinks (/dev/mapper and /dev/<vgname>) showing up
[15:04] <cjwatson> pitti: this installer failure is udev's fault somehow, and it's something different, so certainly don't upload yet :)
[15:09] <cjwatson> pitti: Shouldn't start-udev be mounting devtmpfs, not tmpfs?  It used to.
[15:10] <smb> cjwatson, When looking again on the bare-metal boot (the one with many LVs) I see a segfault of systemd-udevd and several "cannot open /dev/null"s
[15:10] <cjwatson> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710472/ - part of diff between broken/working installer images
[15:10] <pitti> cjwatson: I thought that moved to /lib/init/fstab ages ago
[15:10] <cjwatson> pitti: not in the udeb
[15:10] <cjwatson> smb: bare-metal boot of what stage?  the installer, or the installed system?
[15:10] <pitti> oh, for udeb
[15:11] <cjwatson> smb: these are completely different stacks and I really need clarity of which you're talking about
[15:11] <smb> cjwatson, installed system
[15:11] <cjwatson> smb: ok, that must be some different bug from the one I'm looking at, although it appears to share similar symptoms
[15:11] <smb> cjwatson, Yes, sorry for throwing them into the middle
[15:12] <cjwatson> specifically, "cannot open /dev/null" suggests an empty /dev rather than a devtmpfs
[15:12] <pitti> ah, found the script; I'll update that to the previous version
[15:12] <ogra_> now whats possibly wrong with that sentence :)
[15:13] <cjwatson> well, it doesn't have to be the *entire* previous version, which e.g. assumes udevd on $PATH and has a hardcoded /sbin/udevadm path
[15:13] <pitti> yeah, I mean the /dev and /dev/pts/ mounting
[15:14] <cjwatson> I wonder how the version in Debian manages to work
[15:14] <pitti> indeed, that seems ancient (make_extra_nodes..)
[15:14] <cjwatson> well, that's the version you're using here
[15:15] <cjwatson> but I don't understand how it works anyway, unless udevd is creating /dev/null manually
[15:15] <cjwatson> the bug here is basically that you seem to have reverted start-udev to the Debian version, so I'm wondering how the Debian version works :_
[15:15] <cjwatson> :)
[15:16] <cjwatson> it might be more sensible to go back to the previous entirely different version we had in Ubuntu, but just update the udevd and udevadm calls
[15:16] <pitti> yes, that's more or less what I'm doing now; I have the old and current script
[15:19] <pitti> so, the script more or less looks like the old one now, except for the added "modprobe -q scsi_wait_scan && modprobe -r scsi_wait_scan || true" bits
[15:20] <pitti> not sure whether d-i has some fake module with that, but it certainly doesn't exist in the running system
[15:20] <pitti> we didn't have it before, so I'll just drop it
[15:22] <pitti> cjwatson: after three cleanup commits, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5710512/ is the diff between the old and my current version of the script
[15:22] <cjwatson> d-i has no such things as fake modules
[15:22] <cjwatson> pitti: looks ok if you don't need the /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug bit any more
[15:24] <pitti> cjwatson: it's an alias for /sys/kernel/uevent_helper, and that's a more modern name
[15:24] <cjwatson> ok
[15:24] <pitti> i. e. if you echo something to /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug, you get the same if you cat /sys/kernel/uevent_helper
[15:25] <pitti> (and vice versa)
[15:26] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, http://lwn.net/Articles/166954/ mentions this as well
[15:26] <pitti> wow, that was 2006
[15:28] <zul> mterry:  thanks for looking, i replied to your pbr question
[15:28] <pitti> cjwatson, smb: ok, time for another upload then, I guess?
[15:28] <pitti> I should be able to again
[15:29] <cjwatson> pitti: yes please :)
[15:29] <smb> At least that sounds like fixing quite some badness. Not sure it also does something with the other oddness but yeah
[15:29] <mterry> zul, out of curiosity, why is it called pbr?
[15:30] <zul> mterry:  python build reasonableness
[15:30] <mterry> zul, :-|
[15:31] <zul> yeah
[15:31] <smb> pitti, I don't understand it yet. Somehow starting in xen mode systemd-udevd has some issues with device-mapper/lvm, and when I start in non-xen mode (at least on the amd server) it seems to hang trying to send some xen socket event
[15:31] <pitti> smb: the former certainly sounds related to the missing devtmpfs (you wouldn't have most stuff in /dev/)
[15:32] <cjwatson> But start-udev isn't called anywhere but the udeb, is it?
[15:32] <cjwatson> So if it's a similar bug, it seems like it must be in some other place too
[15:32] <zul> mterry:  im pretty sure when it hits debian it will come from us anywyays
[15:32] <smb> pitti, Though after boot at least /dev is a devtmpfs
[15:32] <pitti> cjwatson: right
[15:33] <pitti> I thought we arrived at start-udev while debugging smb's problem (sorry, no idea how xen works, I assumed it was during installation)
[15:33] <smb> pitti, Yeah, sorry the confusion is that I talked about two different issues
[15:34] <tvoss> didrocks, ping
[15:34] <smb> pitti, One is with the installation of guests which is what you likely solved
[15:35] <tvoss> slangasek, ping
[15:35] <smb> pitti, The other problem is on the already installed host during boot. There seems to be one fallback in initramfs if devtmpfs fails but I cannot say whether that is hit or not as I am not sure where that message would end up in
[16:07] <slangasek> tvoss: pong
[16:12] <pitti> cjwatson: as for bug 1185053, did that d-i rebuild include the new udev-udeb? i. e. were we still using the old version before?
[16:12] <cjwatson> Yes
[16:12] <pitti> ah, that explains it then
[16:12] <pitti> my plymouht change from yesterday really sounds unrelated
[16:12] <cjwatson> plymouth cannot possibly have anything to do with it; that was misdiagnosis
[16:13] <cjwatson> plymouth isn't even used at server installer boot time
[16:13] <cjwatson> I was expecting you to close that bug with your systemd upload, TBH :)
[16:14] <pitti> cjwatson: yeah, I saw it too late
[16:14] <pitti> but we need a d-i rebuild for it to really be fixed then
[16:18] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, I'm waiting for systemd to build everywhere
[16:18] <cjwatson> (and publish)
[17:33] <barry> @pilot in
[18:03] <ogra_> hmm
[18:03] <ogra_> Setting up android-tools-adbd (4.2.2+git20130218-3ubuntu4) ...
[18:03] <ogra_> All runlevel operations denied by policy
[18:03] <ogra_> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/android-tools-adbd not found.
[18:03] <ogra_> dpkg: error processing android-tools-adbd (--configure):
[18:03] <ogra_> does the new world order require that my package ships a sysvinit script ?
[18:05] <ogra_> (with the init_is_upstart stuff ... )
[18:05] <ogra_> i was assuming if i only create a .upstart file debhelper takes care of the rest, isnt that the case ?
[18:10] <ogra_> hmm
[18:10] <ogra_> Setting up libpam-systemd:armhf (202-0ubuntu8) ...
[18:10] <ogra_> All runlevel operations denied by policy
[18:10] <ogra_> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/systemd-logind not found.
[18:10] <ogra_> seems to have the same issue
[18:18] <pitti> cjwatson: seems we can rebuild d-i now; are you on it, or shall I upload a rebuild?
[18:22] <ogra_> ah, libpam-systemd makes all other arches fail too
[18:24] <ogra_> slangasek, ^^^ is having an debian/*.init script mandatory with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartCompatibleInitScripts ?
[18:25] <slangasek> ogra_: cjwatson and I discussed this bug already; this is actually an unanticipated bug in invoke-rc.d
[18:25] <slangasek> so I'm working on fixing that
[18:25] <ogra_> (teh wikipage doesnt really say that)
[18:25] <ogra_> ah, k
[18:26] <slangasek> Debian policy does say that you shouldn't ship upstart jobs without corresponding init scripts; however, that's Debian, not Ubuntu
[18:26]  * ogra_ will give up on image builds for today then
[18:27] <jdstrand> @pilot in
[18:27] <slangasek> I'll have a fixed sysvinit package uploaded sometime today.  Basically, this issue only arises in chroots where initctl can't talk to upstart (so chroots on really old hosts, basically)
[18:28] <barry> jdstrand: howdy.  let me know what you're working on so we don't step on each others toes
[18:28] <jdstrand> barry: sure, thanks. I'm starting with some security sponsoring bugs
[18:28] <barry> jdstrand: cool
[18:53] <cjwatson> pitti: doing
[18:53] <cjwatson> (interrupted by dinner)
[19:35] <slangasek> ogra_: fixed sysvinit uploading shortly, fwiw
[20:05] <geser> stgraber: is there a way to overwrite/modify upstart user sessions scripts with an own version? I just found out why my gpg card stopped working for ssh logins (the gpg-agent upstart session script is missing the option for it)
[20:06] <stgraber> geser: yep, you can dump your own copy in ~/.init/ or just a .override file if that's simpler
[20:18] <geser> stgraber: thanks, almost there. Can initctl set-env also set two variables or do I need two calls for this?
[20:19] <alexbligh1> I have a replacement package modules-tools-init-z which Provides: and Conflicts: with modules-tools-init (same package with zlib enabled) in my local repo (together with the rest of Precise). Try as I might I can't get debootstrap to use it. I'm using --include modules-tools-init-z and --exclude modules-tools-init. Any ideas?
[20:21] <stgraber> geser: I believe you need two calls for that
[20:21] <alexbligh1> (source at https://github.com/abligh/modules-init-tools-z if anyone is interested)
[20:24] <dobey> bdmurray: should i re-add verification-needed back to bug #1173249 as well?
[20:25] <geser> alexbligh1: not sure about it but as module-init-tools is priority required it might make you it more difficult to replace it
[20:27] <geser> stgraber: yeah, using my gpg card for ssh authentication works again. Thanks
[20:29] <dobey> bdmurray: oh, nevermind. i see it hadn't been removed
[20:38] <alexbligh1> geser, hmm, perhaps I should set mine to priorty: required. I can also exclude module-init-tools from my repo I guess. I am really hoping debootstrap looks at Provides:
[20:40] <alexbligh1> hmm, I suppose I could write my own debootstrap script
[20:43] <geser> alexbligh1: Provides only works if there is no versioned dependency on module-init-tools. Is there a reason why you don't just provide a modified version in your repo and keep the package name?
[20:46] <geser> Could someone please do a give-back of geoip-database in saucy-proposed. It builds now the the current geoip-bin package in saucy.
[20:49] <alexbligh1> geser, hmmm - I suppose I hadn't thought of the ability to filter module-init-tools on pull from the precise-upstream (I'm trying to make it update automatically)
[20:49] <alexbligh1> but you are probably right, that is the path of least resistance. I thought I was doing it properly :-/
[21:08] <infinity> alexbligh1: There are tons of versioned deps on module-init-tools, you really should just build your own differently-versioned package, rather than changing the name.
[21:10] <infinity> alexbligh1: More interestingly, is there an argument for why we might want/neet this in precise proper, rather than just your repo?
[21:12] <alexbligh1> infinity, yes, it saves 100MB out of 150MB on initramfs
[21:13] <alexbligh1> infinity, talk tomorrow - have company now!
[21:14] <geser> barry (or any other familiar with building for Python 2 and 3): if you have some time: could you check if my patch in bug #1185170 looks sane or if there is a better way to solve this?
[21:15] <barry> geser: possibly, if i can finish this current package in time.
[21:15] <geser> barry: no hurry
[21:36] <jtaylor> barry: could you look at syncing cython? as a source generator its good to have it early to avoid surprises in rebuilds later
[21:38] <jtaylor> or doko you probably know best if the patch is forwarded
[21:38] <jtaylor> please add dep3 headers ._.
[21:53] <slangasek> bdmurray: I've done some analysis on bug #1069019 and isolated the bug; I don't recall the right way to fix this particular class of python3 unicode problem though
[21:57] <slangasek> barry: ^^ I'm not doing enough bilingual python to remember the recommended approach for making sure the right encoding is used for I/O regardless of locale; can you remind me?
[21:58] <geser> slangasek: might it be: open(filename, encoding='utf-8') (or whatever encoding you want)?
[21:59] <slangasek> geser: that's not bilingual - it fails for the python2 case, which still needs to be supported here
[22:00] <geser> ah, than that's the same case I tried to fix in a FTBFS (which I asked barry to review)
[22:00] <slangasek> possibly io.open()
[22:02] <geser> stackoverflow suggests also io.open()
[22:05] <cjwatson> io.open is OK as long as it never gets passed bytes in Python 2
[22:06] <cjwatson> slangasek: perhaps the runes in germinate.seeds would be helpful
[22:06] <cjwatson> (if you need to tolerate being passed bytes)
[22:06] <cjwatson> oh, that was for writing, not reading
[22:07] <cjwatson> so, yeah, io.open is probably OK.  It was slow in 2.6 but I believe is OK in 2.7
[22:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: right; we should be able to ensure that anything we're writing is unicode, and the code does guard against writing out a file that it's previously failed to read in
[22:12] <slangasek> hmmm, though the code doesn't /currently/ ensure it's not doing bytes in python2
[22:16] <barry> @pilot out
[22:17] <barry> geser: okay, i won't get to it today, but i've got the tab open for tomorrow
[22:17] <barry> jtaylor: can you open a bug and paste me the #?  i won't get to it today, but possibly tomorrow
[22:18] <barry> slangasek: totally different ways to do it if it's python2 or 3 :)
[22:18] <geser> barry: no problem, I've added a 2nd debdiff which uses io.open() instead of my previous attempt (based on the recent discussion here)
[22:19] <slangasek> barry: whimper
[22:19] <barry> although codecs.open(..., encoding='whatever') is available in both
[22:19] <slangasek> barry: so do you advise against using io.open() ?
[22:20] <slangasek> barry: well, let me push what I have here for your review
[22:20] <barry> slangasek: io.open() can work, but it will be slow in py2 and non-existent in py2 < 2.7.  codecs.open() is probably better if it has to work in both
[22:21] <slangasek> barry: it's python-apt; so it doesn't have to be portable to anything except the current version of python2
[22:21] <slangasek> (I would argue)
[22:22] <barry> slangasek: i'd probably still use codecs.open().  io is pure python in py2.7 (iirc) so it can be slow.  it's nicely rewritten in c for py3
[22:22] <barry> :)
[22:22] <slangasek> barry: hmm, cjwatson seemed to think io.open() exists in 2.6 but is slow, and is improved in 2.7
[22:23]  * barry has to utsl
[22:23] <jtaylor> its implemented in C in 2.7 vs python in 2.6 I think
[22:23] <slangasek> anyway, let me know if you think this is bletcherous (or just wrong): lp:~vorlon/python-apt/lp.1069019
[22:23] <barry> jtaylor: yep, you're right
[22:23]  * barry just wants to put a stake through the heart of py2 already!
[22:24] <jtaylor> cythongs test suite is to excessive 40 minutes test and counting :(
[22:25] <barry> anyway, i'm eod for now.  ping me tomorrow!
[22:26] <slangasek> barry: sent you an mp for review instead :)
[22:26] <geser> Could someone please do a give-back of geoip-database in saucy-proposed. It builds now with the current geoip-bin package from saucy.
[22:27] <slangasek> geser: isn't that button available to anyone who can upload it?
[22:29] <slangasek> (well, retried)
[22:31] <geser> slangasek: as that package is in main, one has to be a core-dev to have this button
[22:31] <slangasek> oh bother :)
[22:33] <geser> slangasek: thanks for hitting that button, one FTBFS less now :)
[22:45] <jtaylor> barry: bug 1185191, ran in a clean saucy chroot, so you can skip this one hour build :)


[00:33] <raubvogel> Where can I get the rfc2307bis schema?
[00:53] <pmatulis> raubvogel: http://www.grotan.com/ldap/rfc2307bis.schema
[03:07] <Darkwing> jcastro: ping
[06:01] <bitmonk> hey guys, i see daily livecds of precise desktop (12.04), but none for server.  i tried building a vm with debootstrap, but it fails to start saying that there's no /bin/init .. anyone tried this?
[06:02] <twb> bitmonk: there isn't supposed to be a /bin/init; it's /sbin/init
[06:03] <bitmonk> right, that's probably just a mistake on my part in what i've said here.  i can verify.
[06:03] <EvilResistance> twb:  /query?
[06:03] <twb> EvilResistance: why?
[06:03] <EvilResistance> regarding the bug thing of TheEvilOne @ #debian-mentors @ OFTC (if you're the same one)
[06:03]  * EvilResistance is TheEvilOne over there
[06:03] <bitmonk> yah there is no /sbin/init
[06:03] <twb> bitmonk: also obviously the server install doesn't get a live CD
[06:04] <EvilResistance> otherwise you can ignore my request :P
[06:04] <twb> EvilResistance: sure wahtever
[06:04] <bitmonk> right, but there is no server iso yet at all afaict, which is not surprising, i only looked for it because my debootstrap failed.
[06:04] <twb> As to debootstrap, you probably don't have upstart installed
[06:04] <twb> bitmonk: if your goal is simply to get a working precise install, you should install 11.10 and d-r-u, or use one of the daily installer builds
[06:05] <bitmonk> hm.  ok.  i just took a script that worked for boostrapping lucid and pointed it at precise, i guess i need to tell it to include upstart.
[06:05] <bitmonk> well, i'm beginning to test it within our infrastructure, this is how we build vms, so if that changes for precise, i can update the chef recipe to get it working.
[06:05] <twb> archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-{i386,amd64}/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[06:05] <bitmonk> ah
[06:10] <bitmonk> i think that did it, just adding upstart to debootstrap --include
[06:11] <bitmonk> neat. :)
[06:12] <twb> I advise you to avoid deboostrap if possible, there are non-negligible edge cases that it doesn't hold your hand for (e.g. no /etc/hosts and /etc/hostnames and /etc/fstab, so e.g. some apache modules will mysteriously fail)
[06:12] <twb> They are surmountable but not worth your time learning to deal with
[06:14] <bitmonk> we write all of those out with chef.
[06:14] <twb> haha
[06:14] <twb> Well hopefully the chef client will have enough to start eh
[06:14] <bitmonk> no no, on the host machine
[06:14] <twb> Ah
[06:14] <bitmonk> we have a chef recipe for building vms
[06:15] <bitmonk> knife node list | wc -l : 320 ;)
[06:15] <twb> I just make a site-local template with everything set up, then (basically) dd that to provision a new host
[06:15] <bitmonk> it's an option we've considered, and which i've done in the past, but this seems to work fine.
[06:16] <bitmonk> we also use debootstrap on the physical machines via fai
[06:16] <twb> OK clearly you're not the noob I first took you for ;-)
[06:16] <bitmonk> it's super handy, i can install a machine in like 2 minutes.
[06:16] <bitmonk> heh
[06:16] <bitmonk> no worries.
[06:16] <bitmonk> i knew i should have upstart, i was just concerned that the init system had changed again..
[06:17] <bitmonk> i haven't tracked the non-LTS releases
[06:17] <twb> My main beef with fai (back in 2003) was that it wanted to be "self-hosting", as it were
[06:17] <twb> bitmonk: AFAIK Canonical isn't dropping upstart yet
[06:17] <bitmonk> we noticed today that karmic disappeared from the mirrors (we have <20 hosts, mostly old dev VMs) so i decided we should start testing the next LTS. :)
[06:17] <twb> karmic isn't LTS
[06:17] <bitmonk> right, we have mostly lucid
[06:18] <bitmonk> but it occurred to me..
[06:18] <bitmonk> if karmic just disappeared..
[06:18] <twb> Also LTS applies on a per-package basis, most packages are not 5 year support
[06:18] <bitmonk> lucid will at some point.
[06:19]  * bitmonk rubs his chin wondering where he's going to get chef debs for precise ;d
[06:20] <twb> Does chef have the same bullshit as puppet where they want you to install puppet and half of ruby from the latest bleeding-edge repo, instead of what shipped with the distro?
[06:20] <bitmonk> noop.
[06:21] <bitmonk> lucid ships with chef 0.9.6 or so, and we point at opscode's apt repo, and we get 0.10.whatever
[06:21] <bitmonk> standard ruby
[06:21] <twb> But it still needs ruby on both the master and slave nodes, right?
[06:21] <bitmonk> correct.
[06:21] <twb> Grumble grumble, ruby is overkill for some of my embedded boxes
[06:21] <bitmonk> which i'm not terribly concerned with, i think we keep perl, python, and ruby handy everywhere.
[06:21] <bitmonk> yeah i hear that.
[06:21] <bitmonk> it does not provide us with a solution for network gear.
[06:21] <twb> I wouldn't really care if ruby "infected" only the master
[06:22] <bitmonk> the server is being rewritten in erlang against mysql is my understanding, the client could probably be made smaller.
[06:22] <bitmonk> but i guess, yah, i mean.. chef's recipes are actually ruby code.
[06:23] <bitmonk> i liked that idea more a year ago than i do now.
[06:23] <Tm_T> rruubyyy... why it makes me think food now?
[06:23]  * bitmonk is hella hungry too
[06:27] <twb> Also because I don't really see a difference between perl, python and ruby, and ubuntu boxes already need the first two because that's what core debian and ubuntu stuff are written in
[06:28] <bitmonk> well, they're different because people wrote stuff in 'em ;d
[06:28] <bitmonk> i once wanted the whole world to be in python, but i gave up.
[06:28] <bitmonk> and damned if perl still ain't kickin.
[06:34] <bitmonk> wheezy chef repo seems to work
[06:36] <bitmonk> hm, or not.
[06:37] <twb> Mm, but you are using a random PPA for it rather than <what the distro ships>
[06:37] <twb> That kinda makes me nervous for configuration management
[08:04] <hallyn> SpamapS: bug 914155 fyi
[08:21] <hallyn> rbasak: stgraber: my take on lxc bugs to be fixed today or tomorrow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/799087/
[08:24] <stgraber> hallyn: looks good for the bugs. On the feature side, we still need to talk with the kernel team to get Daniel's patch applied and look at what we want to do with apparmor (ideally, draft a basic profile restricting as much of the bad stuff as we can)
[08:26] <stgraber> hallyn: for util-linux, the patch should be sent to lamont so it also gets into Debian (if not upstream)
[08:27] <hallyn> stgraber: i sent the reboot patch to the kernel team m-l, waiting for a response
[08:28] <hallyn> stgraber: for apparmor, yeah, we should go chat with jj at some point.  But I'd rather get the other bugs sorted first
[08:28] <hallyn> for util-linux, i was waiting for comment from you on whether my proposed patch is sane :)
[08:31] <gary_poster> hallyn, hi.  any availability for a conversation about the ephemeral script?
[08:31] <stgraber> hallyn: so the patch for util-linux is simply changing console.conf to start getty with "console" instead of "/dev/console" and changing logging from error to warning?
[08:32] <hallyn> stgraber: right.  two of the 3 s/err/warn/'s are in an upstream patch right now
[08:32] <hallyn> i assume the 3d needs to be sent upstream and argued
[08:32] <hallyn> gary_poster: can we do it this afternoon?  i'd like to work through these bugs first.
[08:33] <gary_poster> hallyn sure, cool
[08:33] <koolhead17> hi all
[08:33] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/799098/ <- updated bug list for the morning
[08:34] <hallyn> stgraber: so you recommend just mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>directly (as opposed to opening a debian bug)?
[08:40] <stgraber> hallyn: sending to the Debian BTS is fine too as lamont is the maintainer he'll surely see it (especially as I already mentioned it to him and we've been mentioning his nick a few times on this channel :))
[08:51] <hallyn> stgraber: are you planning to dput the cgroup-lite I posted last night?
[08:56] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I'll do that this morning
[08:57] <hallyn> stgraber: great, thanks.  Do I u ndestand right taht updating libcgroup is not *too* urgent, since its version # is lower?
[08:57] <stgraber> hallyn: that's right
[09:00] <hallyn> cool
[09:01] <similian> hello
[09:01] <similian> i have an issue with my br0
[09:02] <similian> when i add tap interfaces
[09:02] <similian> the mac of my br0 is changed to the tap0 instead of eth0
[09:02] <similian> sometimes it stays on eth0
[09:02] <similian> bridging works if mac is eth0 but not if its tap
[09:03] <similian> i have 10.04 (LTS) Kernel  2.6.32
[09:10] <CasmoNL> Anyone here have any idea if there's something like iptables for Windows (Windows 7, I have to route a port from Windows to my Linux server)?
[09:14] <bitmonk> twb: right, but it's not random PPA, it's apt.opscode.com.  it's the vendor managed repository.  for testing sake, i think this will do.  for some reason, precise ships chef from like 2009, worse than lucid by a major version.
[09:14] <bitmonk> 0.9 vs 0.10 chef was important enough for us to use a vendor repo, but i'd love if precise shipped with a modern chef.
[09:20] <stgraber> hallyn: cgroup-lite should still depend on upstart-job and conflict with cgroup-bin right?
[09:20] <hallyn> stgraber: the conflicts is there, no?
[09:21] <hallyn> depend on upstart-job: sounds right
[09:21] <stgraber> hallyn: they were on the old binary package, not the new one. I added that
[09:22] <hallyn> stgraber: did you grab my new one from p.c.c?
[09:22] <stgraber> hallyn: probably not
[09:22] <stgraber> hallyn: same url?
[09:22] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~serge/cgroup-lite.tar.gz
[09:23] <hallyn> (same name as yours was, not mine)
[09:23] <hallyn> i also addressed doko's comments in the other bug
[09:23] <hallyn> (but still dont' have the Depends: upstart-job)
[09:24] <alex88> update-rc.d vm_network_setup start 2 . -> error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?)
[09:24] <alex88> why?
[09:25] <stgraber> hallyn: looks pretty good. I'll just update your debian/copyright to have it cover everything, not just debian/ assuming the scripts are also GPLv2+
[09:26] <stgraber> hallyn: uploaded
[09:27] <hallyn> stgraber: \o/ thx
[09:51] <dob_> I created a raid5 array with mdadm. The build has been completed. There are no activities in top. The HDD activity LED is off, but i hear that the system is permanently accessing one or all hard drives. Like a permanent read.
[09:52] <dob_> Even if it's unmounted
[09:55] <_ruben> dob_: perhaps one of the disks is about to die ?
[09:55] <dob_> _ruben: Don't say such things ;-). I will check with smart.
[09:55] <dob_> Hoped there is another possibility....
[09:56] <_ruben> if the light stays off (and lights up when there's activity) during idle, i doubt there's anything reading from the disk
[09:58] <dob_> _ruben: Thank u. I will check that.
[10:18] <RoyK> dob_: smartctl -H /dev/asdf
[10:19] <RoyK> dob_: change asdf to whatever device name the disk has
[10:22] <RoyK> dob_: if that succeeds, try starting a selftest with smartctl -t short and list status for the test(s) with smartctl -l selftest
[10:26] <dob_> RoyK: I will try that later when I am back at the office with the server. Thank u!
[11:06] <chiggins> So I'm trying to enable HTTPS on one of my Apache virtual hosts, but after adding in the cert file, key file, turning the engine on and restarting Apache, I get an error in the log saying invalid request-uri, and chrome says error 107
[11:13] <dax_roc> Morning all
[11:19] <dax_roc> I'm switching nic configuration from round robin to lacp (switch upgrade), so I need ifenslave and just add the configuration to /etc/network/interfaces. I no longer need to edit /etc/modprobe.d/bonding.conf right ( ubuntu 10.04 )
[11:48] <patdk-lap> why would you need to edit that ever?
[11:54]  * andol is slightly confused...
[11:54] <andol> Despite USN-1322-1 having been sent out, the 3.0.0-15 kernel packages only seems to be availible in -proposed?
[11:55] <mdeslaur> andol: there was a snafu with the script that produced the USN email. The actual version and info for the USN is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1322-1/
[11:56] <andol> mdeslaur: Ahh, thanks.
[12:20] <Tixos> Hi, can someone please discuss with me the correct user layout/permissions for ubuntu servers, and apache?
[12:21] <memoryleak> Hi, I've encountered following problem: http://pastie.org/3159887
[12:21] <memoryleak> I installed pkg-config
[12:26] <memoryleak> still i get these errors
[12:44] <tilen1232> Hi, how to configure multiple ftp accounts (that each has its own public_html) and are managed with apache?
[13:12] <chmac> I'm using the default /etc/postfix/main.cf for a smart-host system. But all mail to user is being expanded to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and seems to ignore the /etc/aliases file.
[13:12] <chmac> I've run sudo newaliases and I can't see mydomain.com in the main.cf file.
[13:13] <chmac> Hmm, I see the channel has been quiet for a while... :-)
[13:27] <Tm_T> caribou: it happens occasionally, I believe office hours are closing for today in Europe, while US hasn't started yet
[13:30] <caribou> Tm_T: not sure I understand your answdr
[13:30] <caribou> answer
[13:31] <nandemonai> back
[13:36] <Tm_T> caribou: bah, failed with nick tabcompletion, meant chmac (:
[13:36] <Tm_T> sorry (:)
[13:36] <caribou> Tm_T: np :)
[13:51] <chmac> Tm_T: I wondered :-)
[13:59] <smoser> m_3, https://code.launchpad.net/~orchestra/orchestra/odev/ is where "odev" is.
[13:59] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, actually got me up to an (almost) deployed mysql<->wordpress juju
[14:42] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ?
[14:44] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, here.
[14:45] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, the 'odev' is at a point where "should work" for juju deploy of charms on precise.
[14:45] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: cool
[14:45] <RoAkSoAx> will give it a try later today
[14:56] <afeijo> hi guys, I cant run mysql anymore, it raise an socket error
[14:58] <zul> Daviey:  horizon MIR is waiting on the MIR team now fyi
[14:59] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, thatd' be great. i'd like to see someone else having have done it.
[15:01] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: btw... did you guys starting discussing anything about orchestra?
[15:01] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ^^
[15:01] <zul> RoAkSoAx: i havent
[15:01] <RoAkSoAx> k
[15:03] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, well... there is meetings all day yesterday and today on maas.
[15:04] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: right, so by the new project created about maas, is this a replacement for orchestra, complementing it, a different prohject?
[15:05] <smoser> of those options, closest to "complementing it"
[15:05] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so I'm guessing nothing has been discussed about extending cobbler?
[15:06] <RoAkSoAx> zul: nor cobbler and ocsinventory integration
[15:06] <zul> RoAkSoAx: nope I been doing oepnstack stuff
[15:06] <RoAkSoAx> k
[15:09] <hallyn> rbasak: ive been wasting time trying to get one patch working - im going to drop that and send you a debdiff in abt 30 mins
[15:10] <rbasak> hallyn: ok, thanks!
[15:17] <hallyn> gary_poster: came by to find you, failed.
[15:17] <gary_poster> hallyn, here now.  Maybe I was in restroom?
[15:17] <gary_poster> hallyn, I could come there if desired
[15:17] <raubvogel> quick check: If I am ssh'ing from A to B and want port 123 in A to be forwarded to 456 in B, I would do something like "ssh -R 123:localhost:456 user@B"
[15:22] <raubvogel> NVM. It's 456:localhost:123
[15:23] <hallyn> rbasak: ok, lxc-ps still needs some love, but I'm looking at http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc-rally-p.debdiff
[15:23] <hallyn> lxc-ps really needs to be re-written :(
[15:23] <hallyn> gary_poster: that'd be great, thx
[15:23] <gary_poster> hallyn ok coming over
[15:44] <lynxman> smoser: ping
[15:45] <smoser> here
[15:45] <stgraber> hallyn: did you move the MIR request for cgroup-lite from the cgroup-bin source package to the new cgroup-lite source package?
[15:45] <lynxman> smoser: I can see you from here
[15:46] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[15:46] <eagles051387|> !grub2
[15:47] <Deathvalley122> old
[15:47] <Deathvalley122> :/
[15:47] <Deathvalley122> it hasn't been  updated
[15:48] <eagles051387|> ok but still applies to grub 2 though
[16:19] <Birck> I'm trying to set up a cloud enviroment with OpenStack. I have a VM running in a machine located in a local network. I'm trying to ssh this VM from the gateway machine, but I'm getting this erro: Permission denied (publickey). I'm using a .priv archive with this command: ssh -i archive.priv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:19] <Birck> Anyone have a suggestion on how to solve this problem?
[16:26] <lborda> Birck, did you run euca-add-keypair and started the instance using that same keypair?
[16:27] <zul> Birck: is the permissions for the *.priv file correct: 600?
[16:31] <Birck> lborda: yes, i executed this command euca-add-keypair nuvemcpca > nuvemcpca.priv
[16:31] <Birck> lbroda: and created the instance with the same .priv file
[16:32] <Birck> lborda: with this command euca-run-instances  ami-00000002 -k nuvemcpca -t m1.tiny
[16:32] <Birck> zul: yes, i have changed that: chmod 600 nuvemcpca.priv
[16:34] <Birck> I'll try to terminate all the instances and generate a new .priv file and then create new instanves
[16:35] <pmatulis> Birck: well, did you properly place the appropriate public key on the server?
[16:38] <Birck> pmatulis: yes, because i already have a working VM with this key, now i'm just trying another network architecture, with 2 network interfaces in the gateway, one for the external and one for the local network
[16:39] <Birck> pmatulis: I mean i have another machines with the same installation process and the key is working fine
[16:41] <pmatulis> Birck: you must have missed something.  what about the server side permissions on ~/.ssh directory.  anyway, on client use 'ssh -vv ...' and on server you can start it in the foreground for debugging (see man sshd)
[16:43] <Birck> pmatulis: ok, I'll try to generate again the keys. If i can't succed then i will try what you are saying
[16:49] <lborda> Birck, try using another keypair
[16:49] <lborda> Birck, what do you get from euca-console-output?
[16:50] <gary_poster> hallyn, I had one more question for you.  It would be convenient to have lxc-tools (https://github.com/phbaer/lxc-tools/ , as linked by https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LXC#Host_configuration).  In particular, the graceful approach of lxc-halt would be nice for the people we are supporting.  lxc-status would be nice too.  The rest I've looked at are less interesting.  Are these packaged somewhere?  I looked and did
[16:50] <gary_poster>  not find.
[16:54] <hallyn> gary_poster: I don't know about them
[16:54] <gary_poster> hallyn, cool, np thanks
[16:56] <Birck> lborda: i should run ssh before euca-get-console-output ?
[16:56] <Birck> lborda: i didn't find anything important
[16:56] <Birck> lborda: I'm gonna paste bin the output
[16:57] <lborda> Birck, try euca-get-console-output >instance_id>
[16:57] <lborda> Birck, try euca-get-console-output <instance_id>
[16:58] <lborda> Birck, also ssh -vvv will tell more debug info
[16:59] <Birck> lborda: I didn't find anything about ssh on the console output. But look at this messages at the final of the output
[17:00] <Birck> lborda: follow the paste http://pastebin.com/HGisgi8q
[17:01] <lborda> Birck, i think iptables is playing a role in this case... did you say you changed your network config?
[17:03] <Birck> I'm working with a local network so i have to masquerade and enable ip forwarding on my gateway
[17:04] <Birck> then i can ping external network from my local network
[17:07] <GrueMaster> arosales: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-p-revalidate-arm-server
[17:08] <arosales> thanks GrueMaster
[17:12] <Birck> lborda: that was the onl things i have changed
[17:59] <talntid> anyone know of any tools that can compare a current ubuntu install, to a base ubuntu install, and display the differences between the 2? (like installed software, modified files, etc)
[18:01] <glebaron> wondering if ubuntu 10.04 64bit server is capable of addressing 128gb of RAM. A quick google search did not tell me.
[18:03] <raubvogel> talntid: AFAIK you can list all the installed packages
[18:03] <raubvogel> So, a first idea is to list them in the two machines
[18:15] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: still around?
[18:16] <smoser> here
[18:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: bug #887186
[18:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so according to http://www.squid-cache.org/Doc/config/cache_dir/
[18:17] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: the big directory is correctly using the directory
[18:17] <RoAkSoAx> as the 40000 stands for MB's that the dir can extend to
[18:17] <smoser> sure. thats fine.
[18:17] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: so the cache for that dir will grow up until 40000
[18:18] <smoser> but the intent of the 2 lines:
[18:18] <smoser> cache_dir aufs /var/spool/squid3/small 40000 16 256 max-size=40M
[18:18] <smoser> cache_dir aufs /var/spool/squid3/big 40000 16 256
[18:18] <smoser> is that small files (those under 40M) will go in 'small'
[18:18] <smoser> and large files in large
[18:18] <RoAkSoAx> right
[18:18] <smoser> and everything is going in large
[18:19] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: oh I see your point now
[18:19] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i understood it differently :P
[18:21] <smoser> and, per the doc there it seems that we have ti right... i think
[18:21] <smoser> 	max-size=n, refers to the max object size in bytes this cache_dir
[18:21] <smoser> 	supports.  It is used to select the cache_dir to store the object.
[18:21] <smoser> 	Note: To make optimal use of the max-size limits you should order
[18:21] <smoser> 	the cache_dir lines with the smallest max-size value first and the
[18:21] <smoser> 	ones with no max-size specification last
[18:21] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: yes
[18:21] <smoser>  but experience shows otherwise
[18:22] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: maybe it should be 'cache_dir aufs /var/spool/squid/small 40000 16 256 max-size=40' instead of '... max-size=40M'
[18:24] <RoAkSoAx> or maybe even use 'MB' instead of 'M'
[18:24] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: cause otherwise, it would be a squid error per se
[18:25] <eagles0513875> are there any cobbler users in here?
[18:25] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: yes
[18:25] <eagles0513875> in cobbler where does one specify a systems disk size ram etc
[18:25] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: there's no place where you can do so
[18:25] <eagles0513875> then how do you do that
[18:26] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: well, long story short, you can't just yet
[18:26] <RoAkSoAx> zu^^
[18:26] <RoAkSoAx> err zul not here
[18:26] <eagles0513875> was that for me that last long story short comment
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: yeah. Unfortunately we cannot specify the hw specification for a system in cobbler just yet
[18:27] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: can that be done when using koan to provision the guest and get it going
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: not that I know of. Are you trying to specify how much disk you want to assign for each partition and stuff like that?
[18:28] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: to this particular xen guest
[18:29] <eagles0513875> i have lvm setup on the system
[18:30] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: if it is for virtualization then you DO can
[18:30] <eagles0513875> do can what
[18:30]  * eagles0513875 waits for RoAkSoAx's rest of the last sentence
[18:31] <eagles0513875> guess ill have to dig up the koan man page
[18:31] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: sudo cobbler system edit --name <whatever> --virt-cpus=<xyz> --virt-ram=<xyz>
[18:32] <eagles0513875> thanks RoAkSoAx
[18:32] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: thats all in the koan man page
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: cool then, but that command is done in the cobbler server
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> I haven't actually tried to do it with koan
[18:33] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: what ive seen with koan is it connects to the cobbler server to setup the guest
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: yes
[18:34] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: let me look up the man page and ill let ya know if i can specify the guest requirements using koan instead :)
[18:36] <squidly> I'm trying to install cacti on my server but I get this. "no type given for question at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 22, <GEN1> line 2." I cant remove or install cacti
[18:36] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, well, i tried 40, and 400000
[18:37] <smoser> and stuff is still going into 'big'
[18:37] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: did you reconfigure squid?
[18:37] <kirkland> smoser: we're seeing some Ubuntu kernels in Amazon that don't have ecryptfs built in, or as a module: http://thecloudmarket.com/image/aki-8903cbe0--ubuntu-kernels-testing-ubuntu-lucid-amd64-linux-image-2-6-32-340-ec2-v-2-6-32-340-40-kernel
[18:37] <smoser> restart
[18:37] <smoser> yes
[18:38] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: squid3 -k reconfigure
[18:38] <smoser> surely restart re-reads config no?
[18:38] <kirkland> smoser: looks like these: http://thecloudmarket.com/search?search_term=2.6.32-340
[18:38] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: supposed to. I'm recreating the cache dirs and see what happens
[18:40] <smoser> kirkland, so you think that config for linux-ec2 kernels changed through the life of lucid-updates from lucid-release ?
[18:41] <kirkland> smoser: i'm trying to chase down what's changed exactly right now
[18:42] <smoser> kirkland, but fwiw, you almost certainly should not b e using that aki
[18:43] <smoser> you should be using pv-grub kernels
[18:43] <kirkland> smoser: that's a testing kernel, it looks like?
[18:44] <smoser> well, its a kernel that was published for a daily build
[18:44] <kirkland> smoser: okay, looks like those are just broken somehow;  i've confirmed that i can modprobe ecryptfs in 2.6.32-341-ec2
[18:44] <smoser> but ubuntu amis do not use those kernels
[18:44] <smoser> they use the pv-grub ones (after 2010-12 or so)
[18:45] <kirkland> smoser: thanks;  this isn't me, but rather a customer of ours
[18:45] <smoser> well they shouldn't be using that aki
[18:45] <smoser> for many reasons
[18:45] <smoser> a.) they should use pv-grub
[18:46] <smoser> b.) its listed as "testing", meaning it might "fall off" after no dailies use it
[18:46] <smoser> c.) its not even current
[18:46] <hallyn> rbasak: I've got another update to that debdiff I'm afraid :)  (to fix lxc-ls)
[18:50] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i'm starting to think this is a bug in squid3
[18:51] <smoser> well, it was also resent in squid 2
[18:51] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 54: cache_dir aufs /var/spool/squid3/big 40000 16 256 min-size=41M
[18:51] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I get that error if I try to restrict the min-size for that cache dir
[18:51] <smoser> hm..
[18:53] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: oh I see, maybe because of this:
[18:53] <RoAkSoAx> Changes in 3.2 cache_dir
[18:53] <RoAkSoAx> min-size option ported from Squid-2
[18:54] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: this strengthens my idea for which this is a squid bug
[19:05] <peppe9O> !list
[19:10] <eagles0513875> got a question for you guys what is the best way to change the default kernel grub 2 boots
[19:10] <eagles0513875> by default
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: /etc/default/grub
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 -> change the number in that option
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> then update-grub
[19:11] <eagles0513875> ok here is something odd im not seeing a list of kernels available
[19:11] <RoAkSoAx> q!
[19:12] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: maybe take a look at cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep menuitem
[19:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[19:12] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: maybe take a look at cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep menuentry
[19:13] <eagles0513875> and they start at entry 0 onwards right
[19:13] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: correct
[19:14] <eagles0513875> thanks :) that should solve the headache of trying to kvm to get to grub
[19:14] <eagles0513875> im at a total loss RoAkSoAx whats the best way when working with cobbler and koan to specify ram hard disk etc for a xen guest
[19:15] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: go to the cobbler server, and edit the virt-* settings for the system
[19:15] <talntid> anyone know of any tools that can compare a current ubuntu install, to a base ubuntu install, and display the differences between the 2? (like installed software, modified files, etc)
[19:15] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: or, from thje cobbler server, do: sudo cobbler edit --name <abcd> --virt-cpus <etc> --etc-etc-etc
[19:17] <pehden> i am on some random persons wifi
[19:17] <pehden> lol
[19:17] <eagles0513875> for modified source files there is diff not sure about compile stuff
[19:17] <RoAkSoAx> talntid: idk how to compare exactly, but you can get all the installed packages with sudo dpkg --get-selections
[19:17] <pehden> and cant use ff or it would drop the connection
[19:18] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: or, from the cobbler server, do: sudo cobbler edit --name <abcd> --virt-cpus <etc> --etc-etc-etc
[19:19] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: how come this cannot be done from the web interface
[19:19] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: this *can*
[19:19] <eagles0513875> how can it be done from the web interface O_o
[19:19] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: *edit* a *system* and go to "Virtualization"
[19:20] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: where most of it should show "<<inherit>>", bnut you can just go ahead and change it
[19:20] <eagles0513875> ahh file size
[19:20] <eagles0513875> is supposed to be hard disk
[19:20] <eagles0513875> and will this work with lvm
[19:21] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: I guess it should, haven't used xen
[19:21] <eagles0513875> does cobbler and koan work for provisioning lvm based xen guests
[19:21] <eagles0513875> yes it does actually :)
[19:21] <RoAkSoAx> eagles0513875: it should
[19:22] <hallyn> rbasak: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc-rally-p6.debdiff
[19:22] <eagles0513875> viva la little ? marks on the side of the text boxes
[19:29] <eagles0513875> RoAkSoAx: in cobbler whats the difference between xenpv and xenfv
[19:47] <smoser> eagles0513875, i'm guessing its pvm and hvm
[19:47] <smoser> para-virtualization hand hardware virtualization
[19:47] <eagles0513875> smoser: all it says in cobbler xenpv and xenFV
[19:47] <smoser> its almost certainly pvm and hvm
[19:47] <eagles0513875> found out xenpv = paravirtualization and fv = full virtualization
[19:47] <eagles0513875> ya paravirtualization is enough for what i need
[20:06] <eagles0513875> hey guys i need some help with lvm
[20:07] <eagles0513875> i have an extened partition which is setup as linux lvm
[20:07] <eagles0513875> does that mean i need to add it to a volume group and what do i do if one doesnt exist
[20:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: btw.. why aren't you enjoying budapest?
[20:16] <smoser> dont know.
[20:16] <smoser> felt like owking tonight.
[20:16] <smoser> i'm poking at juju local provider and openstack. trying to apply adams' work and get it functional
[20:17] <smoser> did you test my odev ?
[20:17] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: i'm about to start doing that
[20:17] <RoAkSoAx> just got back from lunch
[20:18] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: this is based on the cobbler-devenv right?
[20:19] <smoser> yeah.
[20:19] <smoser> reanmed to odev
[20:19] <smoser> probably to be renamed to maasdev
[20:19] <smoser> ;)
[20:20] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[20:25] <mgw> I'm trying to figure out how to push multi-homed routes via dhcp (we have several VLANs on each system)…. DHCP OPTION 121 (RFC1519) doesn't seem to me to be sufficient — any pointers?
[20:26] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i check to see if xen is compiled into the kernel
[20:33] <smoser> eagles0513875, grep CONFIG_XEN /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[20:34] <eagles0513875> smoser: i forgot to hit update-grub after changing the default kernel to boot from
[20:34] <ChmEarl> eagles0513875, oneiric has xen inside with kernel 3.0+
[20:36] <eagles0513875> ChmEarl: i know but you still have to boot onto a special xen kernel from the looks of it
[20:37] <eagles0513875> ugh
[20:37] <eagles0513875> ok its not a problem with ubuntu
[20:38] <eagles0513875> anyone here used koan in conjunction with cobbler
[21:05] <roaksoax> smoser: still around?
[21:19] <eagles0513875> any koan and cobbler users online atm here
[21:20] <smoser> roaksoax, here
[21:20] <chrislabeard> when your running your own dns and virtual servers do the domains point at the public ip or the local ip?
[21:20] <chrislabeard> I'm alittle confused about that
[21:21] <eagles0513875> public ip chrislabeard
[21:22] <eagles0513875> private ips are never seen by the external network
[21:24] <smoser> adam_g, around ?
[21:25] <chrislabeard> eagles0513875: so if you were to dig wwmcd.org it would show the external IP of the server.
[21:25] <roaksoax> smoser: so how can I log into zimmer?
[21:25] <roaksoax> smoser: doesn't accept my ssh key, nor passw0rd works
[21:26] <smoser><EMAIL_ADDRESS>should take 'passw0rd'
[21:26] <eagles0513875> chrislabeard: correct
[21:26] <eagles0513875> chrislabeard: yoru server running a 99 ip
[21:26] <chrislabeard> eagles0513875: yeah it is
[21:26] <roaksoax> smoser: does not
[21:27] <roaksoax> ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:27] <roaksoax> Permission denied (publickey).
[21:27] <eagles0513875> :) chrislabeard besides dig you can also use nslookup and the domain
[21:27] <chrislabeard> eagles0513875: its weird when I change it to the public ip I can't get the subdomains to work
[21:28] <smoser> roaksoax, i dont know. you're sure its going to zimmer there ?
[21:28] <roaksoax> smoser: yes
[21:28] <smoser> maybe something went wrong in the building of it.
[21:28] <smoser> can i see your build-console.log
[21:28] <smoser> (or whatever that is called)
[21:28] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah, cause can't even use a recovery console given that it asks for root pass
[21:30] <smoser> roaksoax, can you pastebin the log?
[21:32] <roaksoax> smoser http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/799870/
[21:32] <eagles0513875> chrislabeard: you need to create another a dns entry for the subdomain pointing to the 99 ip address
[21:32] <chrislabeard> eagles0513875: yeah I have it in there if I dig test.wwmcd.org
[21:32] <chrislabeard> it shows up with the public ip
[21:33] <smoser> roaksoax, i think it didn't execute anything
[21:33] <smoser> the cloud-init creation of the iso failed
[21:34] <smoser> or something went wrong there at least
[21:35] <chrislabeard> eagles0513875: welp looks like it hasn't propagated yet , I'll wait lol
[21:35] <roaksoax> smoser: $ ( cd cloud-init/doc/ovf/ && ./make-iso ovf-env.xml.tmpl ../../../ud-build.txt -o - ) > build.iso
[21:35] <roaksoax> wrote iso to -
[21:35] <smoser> yeah, something went wrong there.
[21:35] <eagles0513875> chrislabeard:  you have done everythign right
[21:36] <roaksoax> smoser: redoing it causes the same thing
[21:41] <smoser> roaksoax, isoinfo -i build.iso  -x "/OVF_ENV.XML;1" | pastebinit
[21:41] <roaksoax> smoser: too late, I did this: ./make-iso ovf-env.xml.tmpl ../../../ud-build.txt -o ../../../build.iso from cloud-init/doc/ovf and now it was created correctly
[21:43] <smoser> i dont know what could have gone wrong there.
[21:43] <smoser> roaksoax, note, that you can in ud-build.txt set your ssh_import_id
[21:43] <smoser> and also a local proxy
[21:43] <smoser> (or other cloud-init stuff)
[21:44] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah
[21:45] <smoser> and this is what lead me to want to proxy in cobbler-orchestra
[21:45] <smoser> so i could use one from outside the libvirt network (my existing squid proxy)
[21:46] <John-_> Hello there
[21:47] <John-_> I'm trying to set a file to only allow access to one user
[21:48] <John-_> This is obviously easy in Windows but having trouble doing this on a ubuntu server
[21:48] <smoser> John-_, the user 'thatusername' is probably in a group called 'thatusername'
[21:49] <smoser> if thats the case, you can
[21:49] <smoser> chgrp thatusername the-filename
[21:49] <smoser> chmod 440 the-file
[21:51] <John-_> Yeah, I mean, I'm running Samba as a file and print server.. If 7 people log on and all try to change the same file we run into problems. It would be easy to just set only one user access at one given time but let the hole 7 users roam and see files
[21:51] <John-_> does that make sence ?
[21:52] <smoser> sorry. can't help with samba
[21:52] <John-_> This is at the base level though
[21:53] <roaksoax> smoser: right, yeah the proxy thing Is something I've been thinking about for a while. But, the easiest way to do it is having another debconf question
[21:54] <smoser> well..
[21:54] <smoser> you dont need debconf questions for everything
[21:54] <smoser> is there some place we can add cobbler kickstart variables ?
[21:54] <smoser> that would get read?
[21:54] <smoser> adn then we just use them (with defaults) from the other snippets
[21:54] <roaksoax> smoser: yes, but it is an initial config when setting up orchestra (i.e. WE can installa  proxy for you if you don't have one already)
[21:55] <smoser> i dont think that is all that important really.
[21:56] <roaksoax> smoser: i guess we could add some default kickstart variables, but then, we would have to make them configurable
[21:56] <smoser> orchestra-provisioing-server owuld just install one, and it go unused
[21:56] <smoser> if the gave you a different variable
[21:56] <smoser> even just as files in /etc/kickstart/
[21:56] <smoser> that were read and the user could overwrite
[21:56] <roaksoax> right, yeah I think there's still thinkgs to consider about the snippets and stuff
[21:57] <mgw> what controls the order in which the scripts in /etc/dhcp/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/ are run?
[21:59] <John-_> Would it be possible to set a script in a user dir that, if file4 opened in dir 1 lock file4 then when file4 closed unlock file4
[22:05] <John-_> Help, windows is going to win over one simple function !
[22:18] <erichammond> If it were possible to run a standard PV (non-HVM) Ubuntu AMI on EC2's cluster compute instance type (cc1.4xlarge) would there be any dangers or expected problems with this combination?
[22:36] <Patrickdk> not sure what you mean
[22:36] <Patrickdk> but I run normal ubuntu ec2 ami's on xen pv's on my own cluster
[23:40] <jason> I was wondering if anyone has used GAMIN package before and if it allows notifications via email when changes occur?


[01:01] <jaysql> hi
[01:01] <jaysql> i want to install chrome browser via ppa on lubuntu 11
[01:01] <jaysql> older versions are too bloated for my pc
[01:02] <R0b0t1> Hey, how can I set up ARandR to configure screens from login
[01:03] <R0b0t1> like startup script
[05:34] <R0b0t1> Hi, after undecorating a window, how do I redecorate it?
[05:35] <vn151502510> alt+space
[05:35] <kristal> I wish I could re decorate from the taskbar
[05:37] <R0b0t1> How do I rebind run to something like ctrl+space, in steald of alt+f2?
[05:39] <vn151502510> R0b0t1: in config file "~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml"
[05:40] <R0b0t1>  'tis blank
[05:40] <R0b0t1> actually, it didn't exist
[05:40] <vn151502510> no way
[05:40] <R0b0t1> what about ~/.config/lxsession
[05:41] <R0b0t1> oh it's there
[05:41]  * R0b0t1 looks at vim funny
[05:44] <R0b0t1> what is the designation for space
[05:44] <R0b0t1> vn151502510: ^
[05:45] <vn151502510> <keybind key="C-space">
[05:45] <R0b0t1> Space, good enough
[05:45] <R0b0t1> I do not necessarily support the usage of xml, but, I guess it is easy enough to figure out
[05:46] <vn151502510> but ctrl+space is default of ibus
[05:47] <R0b0t1> I picked meta+space
[05:47] <R0b0t1> yeah
[05:47] <R0b0t1> Can lxde do focus on mouseover?
[05:47] <kristal> R0b0t1: Ya that's in the obenbox control
[05:48] <R0b0t1> how do I reload the config?
[05:49] <vn151502510> openbox --help
[05:49] <vn151502510> run in terminal
[05:50] <R0b0t1> sweet
[05:50] <R0b0t1> it focuses on mouseover now
[05:50] <R0b0t1> but no W-Space
[05:52] <vn151502510> W-space, not W-Space
[05:52] <R0b0t1>  winrar
[05:52] <R0b0t1> thanks
[07:10] <kristal> Where should I complain about a small bug with LXDE's menu not launching some programs, yes the programs work when i launch with the shortcut and from terminal, but not menu.
[07:11] <Unit193> IIRC, it was the menu that actually had the issue?  Can you try another menu/panel real quick to confirm?
[07:11] <Unit193> But, file it on lxpanel in launchpad.
[07:11] <kristal> lol yup i's the menu, it doens't launch some shortcuts becuase of funky tooltips
[07:12] <kristal> install kmines in 13.10, read the err the menu gives
[07:12] <Unit193> !bug
[08:43] <jokoon> I added some broadcom proprietary driver in the additionnal drivers tab in the synaptic settings, but when I click on apply change, it gets stuck
[13:48] <the_thought_forg> Hi, can anybody help me with installing Nvidia legacy drivers on my machine?
[17:00] <leszek> hi
[17:00] <zleap> hi
[17:00] <leszek> did I understand the mailinglist correctly that zram is now disabled by default in lubuntu 13.10 ?
[17:00] <zleap> that sounds familar
[17:00] <zleap> not that i know what zram is
[17:00] <zleap> what is it
[17:01] <leszek> compressed swap in ram
[17:01] <zleap> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zram
[17:01] <Soul-Sing> was zram enabled? by default?
[17:01] <zleap> not sure
[17:01] <Soul-Sing> 12.10 here, and i have to enable it
[17:02] <leszek> in earlier builds of 13.10 until we figured out that it caused freezes since kernel changes in 3.10.6 broke it
[17:02] <zleap> ah
[17:02] <zleap> so its taken out or disabled by default till there is a fix i guess
[17:03] <Soul-Sing> ok
[17:03] <leszek> zleap: the fix is there already in kernel 3.10.12
[17:03] <zleap> ah
[17:03] <leszek> Its quite an achievement of the kernel devs to break it as it was running pretty stable from 2.6.32 onwards till 3.10.5. And its an staging module :P
[17:03] <zleap> wasn't there a discusion on weather to implement the new kernel
[17:04] <leszek> zleap: correction kernel 3.12
[17:04] <leszek> zleap: yeah its still going on and there is a patched kernel already for testing but I am not sure if they took only one patch in it for zram or if they really imported the 3.12 module completely
[17:05] <leszek> the last thing works 100% as we have it running here at neptune for quite a while and even through chromium with 200 tabs open at it to test if it is really stable enough
[17:08] <zleap> nice
[17:08] <zleap> i am off to rugby training, chat laters
[18:29] <Gerre> Hi, I upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 (development branch) Does anyone know if I get the daily upgrades now or do I have to make a new install of 13.10 again later?  Thx
[18:42] <phillw> Gerre: you will updates as normal and need not re-install. Please be aware of bug 1227202
[18:43] <Gerre> Thanx a lot
[18:48] <phillw> Gerre: Using Menu --> System --> Software Updater will also warn you of partial updates (As a general rule of thumb, partial updates are not a good idea - instead, leave it a few hours and try again).
[18:49] <Gerre> Ok


[02:12] <altker128> Hey guys.  Tried to upgrade my N4 on OTA-11 to OTA-12 via ubuntu-device-flash ; adb seemsto have stopped working on the N4, any suggestions?
[02:14] <duflu> altker128: adb I think is actually a server daemon that stays running on your desktop. Try killing it on your desktop
[02:15] <altker128> duflu: I've done that several times now .  dmesg shows the phone is detected by the kernel
[02:17] <duflu> altker128: Obviously check if developer mode is still turned on. Then if all else fails, put the N4 in fastboot mode and reflash using the --bootstrap option
[02:17] <altker128> If I can ssh into the phone is there a way to update to OTA from the phone's command-line?
[02:18] <duflu> Good question. I'm not sure, since it's not apt-based the commands would be different
[02:19] <duflu> I wonder if adb on the phone also needs killing/starting
[02:20] <altker128> Hate that this uses adb , but I understand why.
[02:20] <altker128> adb is such a POS
[02:23] <duflu> altker128: It's surprisingly common that some USB cables fail and/or stop working. After you've retried restarting everything ADB also supports wireless instead: https://developer.android.com/studio/command-line/adb.html
[02:24] <altker128> Ah, you're right!  Forgot about the wireless adb
[02:24] <altker128> thx
[02:27] <altker128> err, how does one tell the adb daemon on the ubuntu phone to listen via tcp?
[05:55] <cc> hi
[05:55] <cc> anyone know how to use "display" on ubuntu phone?
[05:55] <duflu> Welcome cc
[05:57] <cc> duflu: thanks
[05:57] <cc> i'm new in ubuntu-touch
[05:57] <cc> sorry to trouble you
[05:58] <duflu> I don't understand the question. Do you mean external displays like TVs?
[05:58] <cc> i means
[05:58] <cc> there's a function in my phone,named "display"
[05:59] <cc> i think it can make my phone connectiong to my computer
[06:00] <cc> duflu: i now use Meizu pro 5 Ubuntu
[06:00] <duflu> cc: Wireless display is for the Meizu Pro 5 phone only I think. And wired display works on (some) phones with micro-USB ports if you have the correct type of HDMI cable
[06:01] <duflu> Cables that work properly are unfortunately difficult to find in many places
[06:02] <cc> duflu:  thanks
[06:03] <cc> but as far as i know,it cant work at windows 7
[06:03] <cc> is there any way to solve it?
[06:03] <duflu> Sorry, I don't understand. What do you want to do with Windows 7?
[06:04] <duflu> cc: No Ubuntu can't run Windows applications. Especially on a mobile phone
[06:04] <cc> hmm,i want to use my ubuntu phone connect to my computer,by display,that i can use ubuntu systerm on my computer
[06:05] <duflu> cc: Oh you want to see your Ubuntu phone in a desktop window?
[06:05] <cc> yes
[06:05] <duflu> That's a good question, but we don't have that
[06:05] <cc> that's correct
[06:05] <duflu> Sorry
[06:05] <cc> er,i search the internet
[06:05] <cc> it told me that my computer must be windows 8 if i want do it
[06:06] <cc> upsad
[06:06] <cc> duflu: anyway,thanks for your help
[06:06] <duflu> You can't display your phone's screen on your Windows computer. You might be able to display some of the phone's files within Microsoft Windows, but I have no idea what is expected to work there
[06:23] <cc> duflu: it seems that the computer must have Miracast
[06:24] <cc> http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/504055.htm
[06:30] <altker128> duflu: I just ended up putting the phone in bootloader mode and was able to flash OTA-12 .  Good thing I'm still in testing mode :)
[06:34] <lurkashflake> Hi I want to developpe a distro for Asus k007
[06:34] <lurkashflake> MemoPad
[06:35] <lurkashflake> Question: Is this channel active? :)
[06:36] <altker128> lurkashflake: Yeah
[06:40] <cc> ...
[06:48] <cc> it seems that i should buy a "Wireless Display Adapter"
[06:55] <RAOF> cc: That would let you stream your phone to whatever you plug into the wireless display adaptor, yes.
[06:56] <cc> RAOF: what i care about is that if i buy "wireless display adapter",can i use it on my computer wiht windows 7?
[06:57] <RAOF> Probably not? It's likely to be a physical dongle you plug into your monitory.
[06:59] <cc> hmm
[07:01] <cc> i really want to use my ubuntu phone on my computer...:(
[07:04] <lurkashflake> the 15GB are downloading; Will I likely need to edit the kernel of my tablet so that it work properly?
[07:23] <duflu> It should also be noted wireless display technologies are mostly lossy. You'll get better (perfect) quality from a decent cable
[08:04] <cc> duflu: can i use a usb-line or some other to make it possible?(that i can use ubuntu on my computer with my ubuntu phone)
[08:04] <duflu> cc: I'm not familiar with that sorry
[08:06] <cc> duflu: none,thanks for your listening
[10:27] <brunch875> non-working scopes now work again yaay
[10:34] <brunch875> I remember back then when I used to say "I'm not a big fan of scopes"
[10:34]  * brunch875 eats his words
[10:43] <brunch875> Is it possible to create a scope which attaches itself to an aggregator? I think it could be a good idea to develop a music scope which uses youtube-dl to stream. Soundcloud does a bit of a poor job finding music but the video scope (vimeo and youtube are good sources) isn't as great when it comes to playing music
[12:06] <peto> hi Lukasz, I will ask, can you please update clock and calculator app? stiil problem with start time, and no slovak locale
[14:26] <jgdx> zsombi, hey, are you working on bug 1587176 ?
[14:27] <zsombi> jgdx: noone is working on it yet...
[14:28] <zsombi> jgdx: but I will pick it up asap
[14:28] <jgdx> zsombi, thanks!
[14:31] <zsombi> jgdx: however I need to see the design, especially for the indeterminate...
[15:04] <javier4_> anybody could explain how to integrate stagefright from an android tree to the ubuntu one?
[15:15] <javier4_> ondra, sorry if I bother you, but I remember you were the dev of the lollipop branch. I'm having issues porting an AOSP tree in which I've found many files customized by Mediatek (some .mk also). framework/av/media/ is really different (both makefile and c/c++ sources) from the ubuntu one, I read on the wiki that media hal has to be ported from android tree, but how this is actually done?
[15:18] <ondra> javier4_ hi, for media best to ask abeato or jhodapp
[15:18] <ondra> javier4_ though I can't see them in this channel
[15:19] <javier4_> ondra, thanks man. Do you know where couldi find them? And for the other makefiles customized by mediatek (also some inside /build)
[15:20] <ondra> javier4_ abeato is in ubuntu-ci-eng
[15:26] <abeato> javier4_, hey
[15:27] <abeato> javier4_, are we talking about a port you are doing?
[15:28] <javier4_> yes, from a source tree i generated and that build correctly and boots/works quite well.
[15:29] <abeato> awesome
[15:29] <abeato> so you have ported hybris?
[15:29] <abeato> which part of media is working/non-working?
[15:32] <javier4_> No sorry. I think I've been misunderstood. My aosp source boots and works. My ubuntu building fails after less than a minute. I'm trying to understand which files customized by mediatek need to be substituted/merged to the ubuntu ones, and how can I port the media framework.
[15:33] <abeato> javier4_, well, then it is not about media, it is about initial bring-up if you still do not have ubuntu touch running at all
[15:34] <abeato> javier4_, I guess you've already seen https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/porting-new-device/ ?
[15:35] <javier4_> abeato, some of the build errors were about media component. In particular prebuilt proprietary libraries found inside vendor/.
[15:35] <javier4_> of course I know that page, but it's quite superficial.
[15:35] <abeato> yes, not that complete
[15:36] <javier4_> do you think I can try to solve the vendor issue, letting the media question for later?
[15:37] <abeato> I would do that and concentrate more on the initial bring-up. the most important thing in the beginning is to get adb access
[15:37] <abeato> once you have that you can start with graphics, media, ...
[15:37] <javier4_> yes I know, but I thought that without media porting, builds will fail anyway.
[15:38] <abeato> javier4_, don' worry about this that much for the moment, try to workaround those build issues if possible and get first an image that can be flashed
[15:38] <abeato> from that point you can start debugging
[15:39] <javier4_> abeato, ok. Have you some experience with source tree customized by mediatek?
[15:39] <abeato> ye
[15:40] <abeato> yes
[15:40] <javier4_> I found many customization also in build/*.mk files. Is that normal?
[15:41] <abeato> well, it is mediatek they modify terribly the aosp sources :)
[15:42] <javier4_> I realized that when I found that this source builds only with theri patched gcc... why anyone would patch a compiler?
[15:42] <abeato> lol
[15:44] <javier4_> abeato, Ok. Thanks for your time. I'll focus on the generic vendor/errors. I will find you on this channel eventually for some help?
[15:44] <abeato> as you know we have public kernels for the mtk devices we have ported: bq phones, mx4, bq tablets. I think that a good starting point would be to get the tree from the device that is more similar to yours and use its configuration options and apply the patches there
[15:44] <abeato> javier4_, sure
[15:46] <javier4_> abeato, now I'm using my original mtk aosp kernel source configured with check-config to fit ubuntu needs.
[15:47] <abeato> javier4_, you will want most of the patches too, take a look at those trees
[15:54] <javier4_> oh my god. I read for the 100th times the porting guide, and just now nticed this part:
[15:54] <javier4_> The main build file needs to be checked if updates are required to it to support new drivers or parts of the build not used before, its path is: build/core/main.mk
[15:54] <javier4_> The part of interest are the subdirs included in the build and if special treatment for devices need to be made. For example, make sure the new vendor subdirs are added!
[15:54] <javier4_> I'm a total idiot.
[15:56] <javier4_> abeato, reagarding the patches, that page talks about apparmor, that's not needed to a flashable (not totally functional) image, so I should be able to complete a build without them, right?
[15:57] <abeato> javier4_, correct, but note that there are kernel patches for mediatek drivers too, you will avoid some frustration if you apply the patches as a first step
[16:04] <javier4_> abeato, I'm giving a look to the mx4 kernel sources, but I can't find the patches you were talking about. https://github.com/meizuosc/m75
[16:05] <abeato> javier4_, all these commits https://github.com/meizuosc/m75/commits/master ?
[16:09] <javier4_> abeato, ok thanks. I think i will check in the near future if they are needed for my sources also. Now I will try to solve my beginner's issues. Thanks a lot. We will meet again soon. Bye.
[16:10] <abeato> ttyl
[16:21] <javier4_> which of the two should I keep?
[16:21] <javier4_> vendor/mediatek/proprietary/external/aee/binary: MODULE.TARGET.EXECUTABLES.debuggerd already defined by system/core/debuggerd.
[17:48] <jgdx> zsombi, I don't have that, maybe jounhi or mpt will know?
[18:33] <nik012003> hi guys, is there a way to use wireless display in other devies?
[18:35] <zsombi> jgdx: I got something from dobey, thx!!!
[18:35] <jgdx> zsombi, he's doing design now? :p
[18:36] <jgdx> what does it look like?
[18:36] <zsombi> jgdx: haha, don't think so, perhaps he got some sight of my request :)
[18:36] <jgdx> okay :)
[18:36] <zsombi> jgdx: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lBnDb3NUjudl5bgJwkiC6lKEckcqxz5r_pKLwFQE3Bo/edit
[18:36] <zsombi> dunno if u have access to it
[18:37] <jgdx> yep, perfect
[18:37] <zsombi> jgdx: I don't think I'll do anything for the spinner tbh, but the ProgressBar is on my desk
[18:39] <dobey> eh, i just fixed a bug in unity8 about progress bar usage, and someone complained it was ugly, so if you're fixing that anyway, yay :)
[18:39] <jgdx> zsombi, +1 from me.  Imagine a ubuntu number animation on its value
[18:40] <zsombi> jgdx: well, an indeterminate doesn't contain a significant value... or do you mean what animation will we use when switching from one mode to the other?
[18:41] <jgdx> zsombi, right.
[18:41] <jgdx> anyway, that's just my test case, ubuntu number animation on a the PB's value, then go to indeterminate when reaching 100% or whatever
[18:42] <zsombi> jgdx: not sure if we will have any transition when mode is changed from one to the other
[18:44] <jgdx> zsombi, that'll work
[19:02] <taiebot> Hi all, any news on progress regarding the UITK boost in performance ?
[20:36] <javier4_> my vendor/ sources ships a custom module that conflicts with one already registered by ubuntu sources
[20:36] <javier4_> build/core/base_rules.mk:156: *** vendor/mediatek/proprietary/external/aee/binary: MODULE.TARGET.EXECUTABLES.debuggerd already defined by system/core/debuggerd.  Stop.
[20:37] <javier4_> should I modify system/core/debuggerd to not define the stock one?
[21:07] <matv1> anyone know of a reason why tethering would not be working with my nexus4?
[21:08] <matv1> i have enabled rndis both manually and using tweak tool from the open store
[21:08] <matv1> lsusb shows the nexus connected and looking fine
[21:09] <matv1> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 18d1:4ee4 Google Inc. Nexus 4 (debug + tether)
[21:09] <matv1> i can connect to over adb as well
[21:59] <matv1> hmm is it this bug?
[21:59] <matv1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-property-service/+bug/1427697
[22:00] <matv1> my thats old
[22:02] <matv1> ogra_ is that bug the actual current state do you know?


[01:12] <genii-around> Just posted the Toronto release party, http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1659/detail/
[18:58]  * genii-around sips