[18:21] <ssc_> `https://cloud.vantibolli.com/remote.php/webdav /home/ssc/owncloudMount davfs user,rw,auto 0 0` bekks
[18:22] <Exagone313> ssc_: wait 2s before pressing enter
[18:22] <bekks> ssc_: As can be seen there is a extra character after the second 0
[18:22] <Repsej11> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/529pcb/
[18:22] <Exagone313> ssc_: remove the auto option, or use a manual way. network isn't available at boot time
[18:22] <EriC^^> Repsej11: what problems, give details
[18:22] <ssc_> I put that myself before and after for this chat
[18:23] <Repsej11> EriC^^ I posted an link to my Reddit post ;)
[18:23] <ssc_> Exagone313, so what if I want it to automatically mount after startup?
[18:23] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Have you rebooted since the attempt to install boot-repair As the added source will not persist (unless you built the usb with persistence enabled ).
[18:23] <EriC^^> Repsej11: ok
[18:23] <bekks> ssc_: for network mounts, use "_netdev" option in addition to your options.
[18:23] <ssc_> bekks: so replacing auto with _netdev should work?
[18:23] <apb1963> Bashing-om: It's trying to connect to MIR... but what is MIR?
[18:24] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I have not.
[18:24] <bekks> ssc_: replacing it is nonsense. When replacing, you dont need auto and you dont need _netdev
[18:24] <bekks> ssc_: I told you: "... in addition...".
[18:25] <EriC^^> Repsej11: you need to boot ubuntu in legacy mode, choose the USB option that doesn't have UEFI in it
[18:25] <Repsej11> EriC^^ how do I do that?
[18:25] <Bashing-om> apb1963: MIR got me .. maby the alternate fir  X that is in development ?
[18:25] <ssc_> https://abc/remote.php/webdav /home/ssc/owncloudMount davfs user,_netdev,rw,auto 0 0 is that correct?
[18:25] <EriC^^> Repsej11: try to access the boot options menu while the pc boots, or fiddle with the bios and choose usb booting in csm legacy or uefi disabled
[18:26] <Repsej11> Oh ok Thanks
[18:26] <apb1963> Are you able to install boot repair?  I'll retry in case it's a machine that fell down and hopefully came back up.
[18:26] <EriC^^> np
[18:29] <apb1963> Bashing-om: ^^^
[18:30] <Bashing-om> apb1963: ?? In reference to which/what ?
[18:31] <apb1963> Bashing-om: It wanted to report the crash... so I let it.  It gathered up a bunch of info that would have been very useful to us, however I was unable to copy it from the report window.  It also failed to provide a URL so I don't know how to find the bug, or the report submitted with the bug report.
[18:31] <apb1963> Bashing-om: in reference to the crash.  Are you able to install boot repair?
[18:31] <ssc_> bekks: I added _netdev, now system boots fine but filesystem is not mounted on startup
[18:32] <Pishuw> Hi all
[18:33] <Bashing-om> apb1963: I run a real tight install . I do not install what I have no immediate need of . Presently we do not need boot-repair . If ya want to concentrate on getting grub removed from 12.04 we can continue .
[18:33] <ssc_> bekks: This is how it looks like now: https://cloud.vantibolli.com/remote.php/webdav /home/ssc/owncloudMount davfs user,rw,auto,_netdev 0 0
[18:35] <k1l_> t0rWh0r3: the channel was shut down and beginners should ask in here instead.
[18:37] <bekks> ssc_: Does ist mount manually, when running "mount /home/ssc/owncloudMount" as user ssc?
[18:38] <dave_uy> Is there a log for tasks setup in crontab for each user?
[18:38] <Tims_Tech> my sound doesnt work
[18:40] <ssc_> bekks: yes it does
[18:40] <ssc_> Does the sequence of parameters matter? bekks
[18:41] <apb1963> Bashing-om: You requested I install it yesterday... i was attempting to satisfy that request today.  If we don't need it, fine.
[18:42] <apb1963> Bashing-om: lets just continue
[18:42] <bekks> ssc_: No.
[18:44] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Good deal . Rge reason for boot repair was to identify all the parttitions . You have done that . // OK . 12.04 is installed to sdc1, can you boot sdc ?
[18:49] <hsk3> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS uses systemd. But "service" still works fine ("sudo service nginx restart"). Why?
[18:51] <k1l_> hsk3: "service" is not upstart only.
[18:52] <ssc_> k1l_ Hello
[18:52] <k1l_> hi
[18:52] <darchix> hi k1l
[18:52] <ssc_> k1l_ today I am stuck with another problem xD That is related to auto mount on boot
[18:52] <apb1963> Bashing-om: it's stuck on waiting for network configuration.  Will be past it in a minute.  Two points of note.  This disk has a full boot menu for all OS's.  And, I have disabled the other disks in the system.
[18:53] <k1l_> ssc_: davfs mount is not my business :)
[18:53] <vanit> quit
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> hsk3  /etc/init.d/[foo] restart works also
[18:53] <ssc_> k1l_ aaah I see
[18:54] <apb1963> Bashing-om: OK, it's booted.  I'm at a console.
[18:55] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Since I disabled the other disks, there is no /home and therefore I can't login through the GUI... but again... I have a VT console.
[18:56] <Bashing-om> apb1963: All we need is that terminal . confirm this is the 12.04 install ' lsb_release -a ' returns as what ?
[18:57] <atralheaven> does the order of "/etc/fstab" lines matter?
[18:57] <cncr04s> must be a valid config
[18:57] <k1l_> atralheaven: it starts on the first lines and mounts line by line.
[18:57] <apb1963> Bashing-om: confirmed.  Lets proceed please.
[18:58] <atralheaven> k1l_: so why "/boot/efi" is not first and / is?
[18:58] <k1l_> atralheaven: so mounting / partition before mounting /home makes sense.
[18:59] <k1l_> atralheaven: because / is the base layer.
[18:59] <atralheaven> k1l_: oh I got it
[18:59] <ssc_> bekks: any idea what can be wrong?
[19:00] <atralheaven> k1l_: and may I ask what "noatime" option mean? its for dates of files in their metadata?
[19:01] <k1l_> yes.
[19:01] <atralheaven> k1l_: I was suggested to set that option when im using SSD
[19:01] <atralheaven> does that really matter...?
[19:01] <apb1963> atralheaven: it's Access Time.
[19:01] <Bashing-om> apb1963: K; we procedd . tell me again you do not want to be able to boot 12.04, and we remove grub from this install . End goal is that 16.04 will boot any desired install; except 12.04  .
[19:01] <czwolf> Hi :) I have running xfce4-terminal, I would like to start a mono program running IN IT using a script. Can that be done, I mean not to start new terminal but to use that one running?
[19:01] <atralheaven> apb1963: like touch command?
[19:01] <lordcirth> atralheaven, relatime, which is the default now, is best
[19:01] <k1l_> atralheaven: isnt noatime standard now?
[19:02] <apb1963> atralheaven: If you update the SSD with each and everytime someone looks at the file, it puts unnecessary wear on the SSD which has a limited lifetime.  So yes.. you want it.
[19:02] <lordcirth> I thought relatime is default
[19:02] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Yes.  Correct.
[19:02] <apb1963> atralheaven: Like ANYTHING.  touch, ls... whatever.
[19:03] <atralheaven> lordcirth: what does relatime do?
[19:03] <OerHeks> today i worry more about traditional hdds with those whitespots.
[19:03] <apb1963> shitespots?
[19:03] <apb1963> lol  typo.  whitespots?
[19:03] <atralheaven> apb1963: oh so that does make a lot of writes!
[19:03] <k1l_> atralheaven: actually the old "atime" was the one writing everytime to the disk. that was a massive issue on the first ssd generation (called public alpha ) because it massively wore out the ssds lifecycle.
[19:03] <lordcirth> atralheaven, relatime updates Last Read time to match Last Modified time when you write, so they stay sane.  noatime never updates last read time, so it can be before last modified.
[19:04] <ctarx> Guys, why whois on irc returns ip instead of domain? I've my domain added to /etc/hosts
[19:04] <atralheaven> k1l_: and I think that date time doesn't matter? which partitions should it be set on?
[19:04] <lordcirth> atralheaven, anyway, the defaults are sane now, so don't worry about it
[19:04] <Bashing-om> apb1963: run: ' sudo apt-get remove --purge grub grub-pc grub-common ' and then ' sudo rm /boot/grub/grub.cfg ' . Grub on sdc will be history .
[19:05] <k1l_> atralheaven: you set it in the fstab. but relatime should be ok on todays ssds.
[19:05] <lordcirth> SSDs don't have wear problems anymore
[19:05] <b-jazz> i can't seem to enter text in a PDF like i used to. i upgraded from 15 to 16.04 but that doesn't seem to help. to repro, download this tax form (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040es.pdf) and type in a field. as soon as you hit tab, the text disappears. when you go back to that field, the text is still there. it just disappears when you leave it. is this a bug in document viewer, or in the PDF itself?
[19:05] <atralheaven> ok so I won't touch it :)
[19:07] <atralheaven> TRIM is an cron job now, right? for all partitions?
[19:09] <k1l_> atralheaven: yes
[19:09] <k1l_> it calls fstrim weekly
[19:09] <OerHeks> * all mounted
[19:09] <apb1963> Bashing-om: not installed, so not removed.  and..... /boot/grub/grub.cfg doesn't exist, nothing to delete.  There is however a /etc/grub.d/06_custom file.  I'm ready to rm it...
[19:09] <apb1963> Bashing-om: it's the only file in that dir.
[19:10] <klimt> which was the last Ubuntu version which did NOT have PHP7 as its default version?
[19:10] <k1l_> klimt: 14.04
[19:10] <klimt> thanks k1l_
[19:10] <k1l_> so 14.04.5 is the latest 14.04 now
[19:11] <klimt> sounds good. thanks
[19:13] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Yeah, you can remove /etc/grub.d/06_custom file ; However, I do not think it matters .. but for the sake of cleanness, go ahead and remove it .
[19:13] <atralheaven> k1l_: I have another drive, which I want to use for my personal files, I thought of using it as /data, how can I add it to this file? what options, dump and pass?
[19:14] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Done.  Next?
[19:14] <Bashing-om> apb1963: We install grub for 16.04 in the drive sdb . Boot the lifeUSB .
[19:15] <riqj> hello everyone, in gnome disk utility my HDD is shown as 'smart not enabled' how can I change this?
[19:15] <riqj> I'd like to see the usual disk health status
[19:15] <k1l_> riqj: enable it in the bios
[19:16] <riqj> k1l_ ah, where is it in the bios?
[19:16] <riqj> where do I find it?
[19:16] <apb1963> Bashing-om: ok.  Booting
[19:16] <k1l_> riqj: dont know. depends on the actual make and model. look into the manual :)
[19:16] <riqj> k1l_ ok, I
[19:16] <riqj> will search a
[19:17] <riqj> thank you for the hint :)
[19:17] <k1l_> !fstab | atralheaven
[19:17] <k1l_> atralheaven: the link explains what it is and gives some examples
[19:18] <atralheaven> k1l_: thanks!
[19:22] <NetworkingPro> Anyone know how to extract/edit an lzma image
[19:22] <NetworkingPro> ?
[19:23] <Phryq> so can I shrink a partition that has data on it from within Ubuntu? Or do I need to boot into a live-disk?
[19:23] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Installing
[19:23] <lordcirth> Phryq, is it a critical partition, like / or /home?
[19:23] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Installing from a full CHange Root ?
[19:23] <Phryq> no, just a regular ext4
[19:24] <lordcirth> Phryq, If you can unmount it and still have a functional system, you can shrink it.
[19:24] <Phryq> I want to shrink it to make room for another linux distro
[19:24] <lordcirth> Actually I think there's an online resizer for ext4 these days
[19:25] <lordcirth> Phryq, 'man resize2fs'
[19:25] <apb1963> Bashing-om: What???
[19:26] <apb1963> Bashing-om: oh crap... I misread what you said.  I thought you said to install 16.04 :/
[19:27] <Bashing-om> apb1963: You say "installing" and I make an assumption that "installing" is installing grub . My query then is how are you "installing" ?
[19:27] <Phryq> lordcirth, I'm not getting any option to either mount or dismount, it's a W95 FAT32
[19:27] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I'm installing the OS... again.  I thought that's what you said to do.  My bad.
[19:27] <lordcirth> Phryq, I thought you just said it was an ext4??
[19:27] <Phryq> I was wrong. I thought it was now I'm see it's not
[19:28] <Phryq> sorry
[19:28] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I'm at a point where it will let me quit the installation.
[19:28] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Well that too will work ! As it is a fresh install . no harm done ;)
[19:29] <lordcirth> Phryq, ok np.  I'm not aware of any safe way to shrink a FAT32.  How much data is in it?
[19:29] <apb1963> Bashing-om: well that's what I figured... but I can quit the installation now... should I?  I'd rather not wait the long, long minutes for a reinstall.
[19:29] <Phryq> not too much, but I'm really novice. The only thing in it I need to save is a VM image
[19:30] <Phryq> is that something I can just copy-paste?
[19:30] <czwolf> Hi. Can I start a command in an already running console? By a script.
[19:30] <lordcirth> Phryq, if you have somewhere to put it, just move it all out, remake the partition smaller, put it back.  And make it ext4 this time!
[19:31] <Phryq> ya, I don't know why I made a fat32- maybe I thought it was safer/more compatible
[19:31] <lordcirth> czwolf, not sure what you mean
[19:31] <Bashing-om> apb1963: And I never ever ever want to interrupt the system in anything it is doing . I am not looking at your terminal and I have no idea of where the process is . Your call if it is safe to abort . If the system is hosed up ,,, can always re-install the OS .
[19:31] <Phryq> oh, I just changed it into a Linux LVM. Is that possible?
[19:32] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Yes... there is a Quit button.
[19:32] <apb1963> Bashing-om: It's paused. I think it's safe.
[19:32] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I'm quitting.  Next command?
[19:32] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Your call . I can not advise .
[19:32] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Booted in the liveUSB ?
[19:33] <Phryq> ok, I'm going to boot into the other OS and try moving it
[19:33] <czwolf> lordcirth ty for response. I do not want to start a new console but use the one already running on my remote desktop, I mean to redirect that command to it. The command will run an application which crashed before in that console.
[19:34] <atralheaven> in /etc/fstab, defaults option is file for /data partition right?
[19:34] <atralheaven> also with pass 2
[19:34] <apb1963> Bashing-om: It's about to be, so yes.
[19:35] <atralheaven> fine*
[19:35] <lordcirth> czwolf, still not understanding you, I think. You have a remote desktop open, in which you have a terminal?  You ran a command in it, it crashed, and you want to run it again?
[19:35] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I'm at the Try/Install menu.
[19:36] <Bashing-om> apb1963: We want a terminal .. so choose ' try ubuntu" .. and load to the desktop . then ctl+alt+t to get that terminal .
[19:38] <czwolf> lordcirth yes. The window has a name, is on a a certain position, I see the output there and when I start a new console by the scriptit goes to another desktop, if it crashes again I will not have any output. So I want it in the same console.
[19:38] <apb1963> Bashing-om: black screen.  Note I re-enabled all drives for this run.
[19:39] <lordcirth> czwolf, how are you running the script right now?  From File Manager?
[19:40] <Shadowbird1231> mv /../smartphone_photos_folder /home/Pictures/"$(date +%F)" would this command/script work if i wanted to use it for moving all my pictures from smartphone in to my computers pictures folder and name a folder for them by date?
[19:40] <czwolf> The program run by script is being monitored. If it does not run it is being restarted. Then new window opens. The old console stays there too. When new console crashes it dissapears completely. Restart is being done by sh script which just makes the program run in new console.
[19:40] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Cold boot up - with the bios priority et to the USB as 1st priority - and try again . as we know that USB will boot as you have booted it a number of times .
[19:41] <Noobunto> ... ich bin drin ... faszinierend
[19:42] <lordcirth> czwolf, so change to launch a terminal, then call the program 'while true' or something like that
[19:42] <czwolf> lordcirth So the command restarting the app may look like: sh /home/user/start.sh
[19:43] <lordcirth> czwolf, yes
[19:44] <apb1963> Bashing-om: The problem was that I didn't have networking enabled.  I do now.  I'm booted and have a console.  Did NOT do what you just mentioned.  Next?
[19:44] <czwolf> lordcirth "while true" - what you mean by that? In start.sh is something like: mono  /home/user/monoap/app.exe
[19:44] <lordcirth> czwolf, you want the program to eternally restart if it quits/crashes, didn't you say?
[19:45] <apb1963> Bashing-om: wireless networking I might add :)
[19:45] <czwolf> lordcirt yes, in the same terminal where it run before. Is that possible?
[19:46] <lordcirth> czwolf, so if your program is run by 'sh  /home/user/start.sh' then you want to open a terminal, and run this program again and again forever.
[19:46] <Bashing-om> apb1963: K; we set up a full CHange Root and change into the install: ' sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt ; - for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done - ; sudo chroot /mnt ' Advise when there ,, and we test .
[19:46] <czwolf> lordcirth yes, that program never stops running
[19:47] <lordcirth> czwolf, so, " gnome-terminal -x while true; do sh /home/user/start.sh; done "
[19:47] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I can do that but keep in min... /dev/sdb1 already has a full install on it.  So all of those devices already exist.
[19:47] <apb1963> s/min/mind
[19:47] <lordcirth> czwolf, should open a gnome-terminal, which will eternally loop start.sh until you close the terminal.
[19:48] <Bashing-om> apb1963: We are in a live environnmet, and are going to switch to the install . we will need to mount the directories of the install .
[19:49] <czwolf> lordcirth you mean it will keep trying to run it again and again even if it is already running? It is a server.
[19:49] <anon_wolf> jelou
[19:49] <lordcirth> czwolf, no, it will run start.sh, then pause until start.sh exits.  Then it will loop and do it again.
[19:49] <Fleuv> Hi, why is git still asking for a password while my ssh config is properly configured and working fine with ssh
[19:50] <lordcirth> czwolf, if you put a '&' after start.sh, it would spawn a ton of them forever and probably crash the server.  Don't do that.
[19:50] <teknoprep> i am happy i moved from windows 10 to ubuntu
[19:50] <teknoprep> i haven't used a linux desktop is years.. just tons of servers
[19:50] <teknoprep> its pretty good now
[19:51] <Noobunto> Test
[19:51] <apb1963> Bashing-om: OK
[19:51] <teknoprep> test back
[19:51] <czwolf> lordcirth ty I will look into it, it sounds promissing. The test will be - I will start a program, will let it monitor, I will stop it by ctrl-c and will see if start.sh will do what you said = to start it in the same console. Should I expect that yes?
[19:51] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Are you there ??
[19:52] <anon_wolf> wow
[19:52] <anon_wolf> i,m new
[19:52] <stoneRsonmi-451> ubuntu is such a beauty
[19:52] <lordcirth> czwolf, It depends on what this start.sh does
[19:53] <c-ssi> hey so i did apt-get irssi but i got an old version (8.15)
[19:53] <lordcirth> czwolf, if start.sh execs the program, it will work fine.  If start.sh forks it with '&', then it might spawn a ton of copies
[19:53] <lordcirth> czwolf, read start.sh to find out how it behaves.
[19:53] <stoneRsonmi-451> running ubuntu gnome 32bits on a compaq laptop: intel celeron 1,5mhz and 4gb of ram
[19:53] <c-ssi> i kind of wanted the new version for integrated sasl
[19:54] <teknoprep> does compiz work well with ubuntu
[19:54] <k1l_> c-ssi: you mean apt-get install? 8.15 is in the repos for 14.04
[19:54] <czwolf> lordcirth In start.sh is something like this: mono /path/tomyapp/app.exe
[19:54] <c-ssi> yeah k1l_
[19:54] <k1l_> teknoprep: compiz is included in unity desktop.
[19:54] <lordcirth> czwolf, ok, then it should work, assuming the app.exe doesn't do anything weird.
[19:54] <c-ssi> i have the ubuntu for windows thing not sure why its not getting 8.18
[19:54] <teknoprep> gotcha
[19:55] <lordcirth> czwolf, actually, you know what?  Put a "sleep" command in the loop too
[19:55] <teknoprep> how is xfce on ubuntu ?
[19:55] <lordcirth> czwolf, so it will wait, say, 5 seconds before relaunching the program.  So it won't spin out of control.
[19:55] <k1l_> c-ssi: ah, that is a difference.
[19:55] <lordcirth> teknoprep, it's great, see Xubuntu screenshots
[19:55] <k1l_> !ubuwin | c-ssi
[19:55] <czwolf> lordcirth Should not be nothing weird, it is opensim
[19:56] <lordcirth> czwolf, put the sleep command in just in cas.e
[19:56] <anon_wolf> *
[19:56] <Bashing-om> teknoprep: xfce is my preferred DE . not a problem .
[19:56] <k1l_> teknoprep: xfce works on ubuntu :)  there is even the xfce preinstalled iso xubuntu
[19:56] <c-ssi> thatks
[19:57] <Noobunto> Anyone time to help me adding my native resolution to ubuntu?
[19:57] <Noobunto> i tried for 4 days now and wnna give up
[19:57] <apb1963> Bashing-om: almost there
[19:57] <anon_wolf> emmm no entiendo nada xD
[19:58] <czwolf> lordcirth xfce4-terminal -x while true; do sh /home/user/start.sh; sleep 5 done
[19:58] <czwolf> this way?
[19:59] <lordcirth> czwolf, put a ; after sleep 5, but yes
[19:59] <k1l_> Noobunto: if you give more details and error messages in a pastebin then people could see and help
[19:59] <czwolf> lorcirth Ty very much. I will experiment, hope it helps :)
[20:00] <Noobunto>  k1l I do
[20:00] <apb1963> Bashing-om: OK, those mount points don't exist.  Make them I presume?
[20:01] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Nope .. let me check mu stntax on the fiven command sequence . stand by .
[20:04] <Noobunto> I try now to paste from pastbin
[20:04] <Noobunto>  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30andre@andre-System-Product-Name:~$ cvt 1680 1050 60 # 1680x1050 59.95 Hz (CVT 1.76MA) hsync: 65.29 kHz; pclk: 146.25 MHz Modeline "1680x1050_60.00"  146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync  andre@andre-System-Product-Name:~$ xrandr --newmode "1680x1050_60.00" 146.25  1680 1784 1960 2240  1050 1053 1059 1089 -hsync +vsync   andre@and
[20:04] <Bashing-om> apb1963: My command looks good . verify that you ran exactly as given . Waht results ' mount' ?
[20:04] <Noobunto> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23166212/
[20:04] <Noobunto> sry
[20:04] <Noobunto> :-D
[20:05] <c-pin> hey so im on the ubuntu for windows thing and it searches for an irssi to install from 14.04
[20:05] <c-pin> i want the new irssi from later ubuntu repos
[20:06] <k1l_> c-pin: ask in the named channel if you can add a PPA or upgrade the ubuntu to a 16.04 base
[20:06] <k1l_> !ubuwin | c-pin
[20:07] <Bashing-om> c-pin: Join #irssi for instructions to install a later version .
[20:07] <c-pin> thanks
[20:13] <Noobunto> I do not understand why it is such a problem for the programmers of linux to update the actual resolutions at 2016
[20:13] <Noobunto> in
[20:13] <lordcirth> Noobunto, so you have a 1680x1050 screen?
[20:13] <apb1963> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23166260/
[20:14] <Noobunto> nooo :(
[20:14] <lordcirth> Noobunto, what then?
[20:14] <Noobunto> since 4 days not 1152x864
[20:14] <lordcirth> Noobunto, your monitor is 1152x864 ??
[20:15] <Noobunto> tried to xrand it
[20:15] <Noobunto> no itś 1680x1050
[20:15] <Noobunto> but no choice there
[20:15] <k1l_> Noobunto: is there a adapter involved? what video card? what video driver?
[20:15] <lordcirth> Noobunto, Your physical monitor is 1680x1050, but it's running at 1152x864?
[20:15] <lordcirth> Noobunto, what graphics card and driver?
[20:16] <Noobunto> correct, gtx 460, nvidia 370.28
[20:16] <k1l_> lspci -nnk will tell
[20:16] <Noobunto> it doesnt depend on driver, tried with given ubuntu driver from nv as well
[20:16] <lordcirth> Noobunto, I have a 1680x1050 screen, and every Linux distro I've ever used has detected it fine.
[20:16] <Noobunto> now i installed this one, blaklistet necaei
[20:17] <Noobunto> ok
[20:17] <Noobunto> thats strange
[20:17] <k1l_> Noobunto: is there a dvi adapter involved? what mode comes per edid?
[20:17] <lordcirth> I suspect your monitor is not following standards or something
[20:17] <Noobunto> ohoh
[20:17] <Noobunto> itś a dvi to vga cable adapter there
[20:17] <lordcirth> Oh, well then
[20:17] <k1l_> aha
[20:18] <Noobunto> ??
[20:18] <Noobunto> is that the problem?
[20:18] <k1l_> adapters are known to be rubbish :/
[20:18] <lordcirth> VGA can't do 1680x1050, I don't think
[20:18] <Noobunto> lol
[20:18] <Noobunto> i don believe, i try it out on wondows later
[20:18] <Noobunto> if that's the case ...  go to the cellar and laugh a week
[20:18] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I re-copied it and re-ran it... it seems to be OK.  I think it barfed on the last command, but I reran that one too and I'm in the env.
[20:19] <lordcirth> Just looked it up, so apparently VGA can technically do any resolution, it just gets blurry
[20:19] <lordcirth> But yeah, I bet the adapter is preventing detection
[20:20] <Noobunto> vga can managage up ti 1280x720, which I tested also
[20:20] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Well .. still in the live environment " /dev/sdd on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro,noatime) " .. I am unsure how to gracefully get out of this . What returns ' ls -al /mnt/ ' ? // OK, O se your last . TBC
[20:20] <Noobunto> ok,. but thanks for the hint
[20:20] <lordcirth> Noobunto, I am using DVI, btw
[20:21] <Noobunto> i normaly, too, but in this test configuration i had to adapt vga
[20:21] <apb1963> Bashing-om: ok you lost me.
[20:21] <Noobunto> how can i highlight usernames here
[20:21] <Bashing-om> apb1963: In the chroot you are root .. no messing about ! Now is there a positive return ' ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' ? before we proceed we must know we have networking .
[20:21] <Noobunto> @lordcirth
[20:21] <Noobunto> no
[20:21] <Noobunto> :D
[20:21] <k1l_> Noobunto: "k1<tab>"
[20:21] <lordcirth> Noobunto, just the name
[20:22] <Noobunto> test
[20:22] <k1l_> but dont know if pidgin supports tabcompletion. pidgin is not really good at irc.
[20:22] <Noobunto> aah, ok
[20:22] <apb1963> Bashing-om: unknown host
[20:22] <Noobunto> was my first choice beeing new to all this, wich is better?
[20:23] <Noobunto> but smth is happening tabbing you
[20:23] <k1l_> Noobunto: a good irc client is hexchat.
[20:23] <Noobunto> Noob
[20:23] <Noobunto> ok
[20:24] <Noobunto> sooo, let's try how to get this now via cosole :D
[20:24] <apb1963> Bashing-om: /etc/resolv.conf is empty
[20:24] <stoneRsonmi-451> woot
[20:24] <stoneRsonmi-451> '
[20:24] <Bashing-om> apb1963: OK - not  try ' systemctl enable NetworkManager.service ; systemctl start NetworkManager.service ; ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' .
[20:30] <apb1963> Bashing-om: http://paste.debian.net/817119/
[20:31] <apb1963> Bashing-om: This is taking me forever because I can't ssh in to that machine so I have to transfer text files back and forth.  What I need to do is create a user for me to use for ssh and also add him to the sudoers file.
[20:33] <Guest77661> Can I ask a shell question about copying files?
[20:33] <Noobunto> test
[20:34] <MonkeyDust> Guest77661  let's hear it, in one line
[20:34] <Guest77661> How would I copy files from directory A to each of directories C, D, E, etc... as in B/C, B/D, B/E ?
[20:34] <kzisme> Has anyone experienced a SQUASHFS error while using an Ubuntu live usb?
[20:34] <Guest77661> cm -r A/* ...?
[20:34] <Guest77661> cp rather
[20:34] <Noobuntu> test HexChat
[20:34] <Noobuntu> aha
[20:34] <lordcirth> Guest77661, copying all files in A to each directory?  Or 1 file from A to each?
[20:34] <Noobuntu> compicatet thing here :)
[20:35] <Guest77661> all files from a into each of C, D, and E (those contained in B)
[20:35] <Noobuntu> k1l_, Test
[20:35] <Guest77661> where B is in the same directory as A
[20:35] <lordcirth> Guest77661, for loop?
[20:35] <Noobuntu> k1l_, Seems to ork
[20:35] <Guest77661> hm, was looking for something more terse than a for loop
[20:36] <Ben64> Guest77661: might want to ask #bash
[20:36] <lordcirth> Guest77661, problem is, cp assumes that the last argument is the destination, and all previous are to be copied
[20:36] <Guest77661> thanks for that info
[20:36] <Guest77661> so can the destination be simply B/* i wonder?
[20:36] <Bashing-om> apb1963: I did wonder at the delays .. no biggy .. what is the big thing is not able to establish networking . Let's attempt a different approach that might work to install grub for 16.04 . Back out of the chroot ' exit ; for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo umount  $i /mnt$i; done ; sudo umount /mnt . Back in the liveUSB . Advise when complete and at liveUSB terminal .
[20:37] <Ben64> Guest77661: no
[20:37] <Guest77661> hmm ok
[20:37] <lordcirth> Guest77661, no, I suspect that would overwrite existing stuff in B
[20:37] <lordcirth> Guest77661, there's also xargs
[20:37] <Ben64> Guest77661: really though, #bash would be the best place to ask this question
[20:41] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Done.  Ready.
[20:42] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Do we have networking here ? ping -c3 ubuntu.com ' gives a positive response ?
[20:43] <lordcirth> ^Is it normal for a mass-ban to happen?
[20:43] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Yes.
[20:44] <ikonia> lordcirth: no-one has been mass-banned
[20:44] <lordcirth> ikonia, Drone literally just hit 6 people with a wildcard ban.  Are they all the same person?
[20:45] <ikonia> lordcirth: it's a shell provider that is flooding with network connections
[20:45] <th0r> lordcirth, I saw that too
[20:45] <Guest98668> ghbdtn
[20:45] <Guest98668> privet
[20:48] <apb1963> Bashing-om: ok, I fixed sudoers so now I have a window into that machine with sudo privs.
[20:48] <Bashing-om> apb1963: OK, run ' sudo  mount  /dev/sdb1   /mnt ; sudo  grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sdX ; sudo umount /mnt ' One command at the time not all at once . We want to see any errors as generated .
[20:50] <apb1963> Bashing-om: all good... no errors.
[20:50] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Syntax error on my part !
[20:50] <apb1963> Bashing-om: except I changed  X to b.
[20:51] <apb1963> Bashing-om: reboot now?
[20:51] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Great glad ya caught it ! ..reboot setting sdb as the boot priority . let's see if it worked .
[20:55] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I get the grub menu with 16.04 ... booting results in a black screen.  Other drives have NOT been enabled for boot, but enabled otherwise.
[20:58] <Bashing-om> apb1963: A black screen such as from a failed graphic's driver, perhaps ?
[20:59] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I don't know why it would fail... it worked earlier.  but... anything is possible... I don't know what else it might be.
[20:59] <apb1963> Bashing-om: if you have a fix, lets try it... otherwise my suggestion is to reinstall fresh.... all the other disk should be clean enough that grub should be happy on a new install.
[21:00] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Let's look .. and see if boot code is there . boot to grub ; 'c' key for a prompt .. and what returns ' ls -al ' ?
[21:01] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Your above is true also .. You can re-install and be done with this .
[21:05] <apb1963> Bashing-om: well there's a ton of output, some of which says "No known filesystem detected"
[21:06] <jenrexxer> LOL: "Don't want your neighborhood enriched by these guys?  You should be locked up for your hate." https://twitter.com/RadioRenegades/status/775023571290783745/photo/1
[21:06] <jenrexxer> Thanks Jews!
[21:07] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Basically it's a list of disk devices with partitions and filesystems and types listed.
[21:07] <nicomachus> again?
[21:07] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Not seeing your terminal a lot here is a guessing game . in that ls output is there ( hd1,msdos1) ?
[21:08] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Most oftem grub will set the booting hard drive to hd0 .. that may confuse the issue a lot !
[21:08] <apb1963> Bashing-om: Yes.  File system type ext*
[21:09] <LordDragon> hey all. when im going to install from an ISO on a thumb drive, should i boot the thumb drive in UEFI mode or regular mode? someone mentioned somehting about going the UEFI route causes headaches and can overwrite windows bootloader and cause issues with windows. can someone advise me?
[21:09] <apb1963> Bashing-om: hd0,5 is labled /home ... so now we know which disk this is.
[21:10] <Bashing-om> apb1963: K.. then we need to verify the config file ' ls (hd1,nsdos1)/grub/boot/grub.cfg' give a positive return ?
[21:11] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Ouch .. dylexia strikes again (hd1,msdos1) !!
[21:11] <nicomachus> trying to separate my music library into FLAC and MP3 parent directories. Currently organized as ~/Music/$ArtistName/$Trackname.flac, want to just move anything that ends in .flac to ~/Music/FLAC/$Artist/$Track.flac, and same for all the mp3s. Cant seem to get it right. a
[21:12] <apb1963> Bashing-om: well... it seems to ignore the part in (), and says the rest doesn't exist.
[21:13] <BuckHere> Howdy folks :) Running Ubuntu 16.04 on a remote server. Would like to install VNC on it so I get some GUI going. Any good guides around? I'm planning to install 'wine' afterwords to run 'remux' related programs.
[21:14] <ikonia> BuckHere: there are many native linux remux programs
[21:14] <ikonia> there is no need for wine
[21:14] <BuckHere> ikonia, first off thank you for taking a look at my situation.
[21:14] <ikonia> you then wouldn't need vnc
[21:14] <ikonia> you could run it over ssh
[21:15] <BuckHere> ikonia, can you recommend any native remux programs?
[21:15] <BuckHere> well, I've been trying to do the ssh way. But, coming from windows GUI, I've a steep learning curve
[21:15] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Yeah .. understandable .. why does the system not have a "dumb ass" respose ? .. try as ' ls -al (hd1,msdos1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg '. That is the correct path .
[21:16] <ikonia> ffmpeg, mplayer, have a quick google, they mostly work fine
[21:16] <ikonia> BuckHere: people will help if you just ask, seems silly to make a problem harder/over kill if you can get help to make it simpler, more effective
[21:16] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I'm not seeing the difference between this command and the previous one??
[21:17] <BuckHere> ikonia, I hear you.
[21:17] <Bashing-om> apb1963: The path .. /grub will not exist under the root directory . where as amended to /boot/grub .
[21:17] <apb1963> I know what mux and demux are... what's remux?
[21:19] <BuckHere> apb1963, the same! muxing/remuxing just different lingo
[21:19] <apb1963> Bashing-om:  ls (hd1,nsdos1)/grub/boot/grub.cfg   ls -al (hd1,msdos1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg        << OK, I see the first one is ls and the second has options to ls.   Was there another difference?
[21:20] <apb1963> other than the typo of course.
[21:20] <BuckHere> Is GUI use frowned upon here?
[21:20] <lordcirth> BuckHere, no, not at all.  Every control system has its place
[21:21] <BuckHere> lordcirth, ty. I totally agree with you.
[21:21] <ikonia> BuckHere: not fround upon at all
[21:21] <lordcirth> BuckHere, however, when it's a remote server, a command line is much more efficient than VNC
[21:21] <ikonia> BuckHere: however, it's possibly overkill to do all the work and dependencies for just a function that will work very well on the command line
[21:21] <Bashing-om> apb1963: It is hoped that ' ls -al (hd1,msdos1)/boot/grub/grub.cfg ' gives a return for a boot config file .
[21:21] <apb1963> file /grub/boot/grub.cfg not found
[21:22] <apb1963> oh look... at what you just typed
[21:22] <BuckHere> lordcirth, I get that, I really do. It's just that I can't seem to wene myself off of the graphical interface that I'm so used to!
[21:22] <apb1963> Bashing-om: what you just typed is different.
[21:23] <apb1963> Bashing-om: before you had /grub/boot... now you have /boot/grub
[21:23] <BuckHere> *wean
[21:23] <Bashing-om> apb1963: K.. then we are back to trying to install grub from that full chamge root routine ,. where we must have networking . OR do a freah clean install .
[21:23] <lordcirth> BuckHere, yeah I get it.  However, I really suggest you learn the command line, it's not as hard as it looks :)
[21:24] <kngninja1> its slow as shit
[21:24] <ikonia> kngninja1: please stop swearing
[21:24] <apb1963> Bashing-om: ok... with the corrected path... it stopped returning an error, and now just gives a blank line as a response.
[21:24] <ikonia> BuckHere: we are here to help you, so you won't struggle on your own
[21:24] <BuckHere> lordcirth, ty :) Actually I do a lot of cli now with my server.
[21:24] <ikonia> BuckHere: if you ask clear questions and work with people - we will help
[21:25] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I say take the path of least resistance.  Building a complete chrooted env. takes time if you don't have a perfect list of what's needed.
[21:25] <apb1963> Bashing-om: and even better... a tested script.
[21:25] <BuckHere> ikonia, ty. I appreciate the fact that you guys volunteer your time helping other folks who could really use some help.
[21:26] <ikonia> BuckHere: you'll also get better performance remux'ing as it won't have to echo updates to a remote screen, it can just process it
[21:26] <apb1963> Bashing-om: So... with your blessing... reinstall?
[21:27] <Bashing-om> apb1963: That file should exist .. it is the control file for booting . test to confirm ' ls -al (hd0,msdos5)/boot/grub/grub.cfg ' will list 14.04's boot file .
[21:28] <apb1963> same response.. prints a blank line as output.
[21:28] <Bashing-om> apb1963: At this point . a re-install is the easiest solution .
[21:28] <BuckHere> ikonia, this is what I wanna accomplish: 1) working eac3to 2) MakeMKV'mkvtoolNIX 3)BDInfo/MediaInfo 4) Screenshot program all done on a remote linux server.
[21:28] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I agree.  so... last time I ask... reinstall now?
[21:29] <BuckHere> I've had the server for a while now, I've re-installed the OS..God knows howmany times!
[21:29] <warren_> anyone know of a program I can run on ubuntu to set up a login website for my laptop running a wireless ap?
[21:29] <Bashing-om> apb1963: I have no clue what that may mean that the config files are not there ! sysop@1404mini:~$ ls -al /boot/grub/grub.cfg >> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 45542 Aug 29 11:43 /boot/grub/grub.cfg .
[21:30] <ikonia> BuckHere: why do you want a screen shot program on a remote desktop ?
[21:30] <ikonia> BuckHere: the first 3 things - no problem without a desktop at all
[21:30] <apb1963> Bashing-om: maybe because I didn't put them on the boot device list in the bios????
[21:31] <BuckHere> ikonia, so any good guides you can recommend to me? My level of cli understanding is that of a Windows guy who is kinda lost at the moment..
[21:32] <ikonia> BuckHere: not really good guides, best thing I can suggest is do a little bit of basic research into the tools that can do what you want
[21:32] <ikonia> then ask people to help you set them up how you want
[21:33] <Success> How do I install the latest python 2
[21:33] <Success> it's not preinstalled in docker :P
[21:33] <BuckHere> ikonia, ty for the tips.
[21:33] <ikonia> Success: nothing is pre-installed in docker
[21:33] <ikonia> Success: you have to build up your container image
[21:33] <horsehoes> hello, can someone help me with nvidia drivor
[21:34] <lordcirth> !ask | horsehoes
[21:34] <Success> ikonia: yeah but how do I install python, the online stuff wants custom repositories and man-handled dependency resolution...
[21:34] <ikonia> Success: python is already installed in ubuntu
[21:36] <Success> horsehoes: what's wrong with your nvidia "drivors" ?
[21:36] <horsehoes> How do i install the nvidia drivor? it says: The distribution-provided pre-install script failed!  Are you sure you want  to continue?
[21:36] <horsehoes> So I am leery to continue
[21:36] <k1l_> horsehoes: ubuntu ships already nvidia drivers. so what are you doing there exactly?
[21:37] <Bashing-om> apb1963: If grub sees ' (hd0,msdosX) (hd1,msdosX) and (hd2,msdosX) .. then it is not a bios thing .
[21:37] <horsehoes> k1l_ I am trying to install it. I downloaded it from the geforce site
[21:37] <apb1963> Bashing-om: yeah, doesn't seem to be.
[21:37] <blinkblink> Hi. my wifi is not working!
[21:38] <k1l_> horsehoes: ok, so why dont you use the ubuntu ones?
[21:38] <horsehoes> They disable my brightness and it blinds me
[21:38] <blinkblink> I am using ethernet now. i've tried every solution online but nothing worked!
[21:38] <horsehoes> @k1l
[21:39] <k1l_> horsehoes: what ubuntu? what video card? what driver used?
[21:39] <wabbits> having a little trouble with pulseaudio startup
[21:39] <Bashing-om> apb1963: We know sda - 14.04 - is good because it boots . It blows me away that 16.04 grub can not list the 14.04 config file .
[21:39] <nicomachus> blinkblink: what do you mean by it's "not working"? won't connect, no signal, what?
[21:40] <wabbits> I think it is being launched by upstart how can I stop upstart from launching it?
[21:40] <horsehoes> @k1l_ The newest one with the gnome with my laptop nvidia, the drivor is the one from geforce.com
[21:40] <blinkblink> nicomachus: using Lenovo x220, wifi been working fine, all of a sudden wifi is off, always off. i have installed missing drivers but still
[21:41] <nicomachus> blinkblink: can you run 'sudo lshw -C network' in a terminal, paste the output at paste.ubuntu.com, and link here?
[21:41] <t0rWh0r3> maybe its turned off in the uefi settings?
[21:41] <ikonia> how can they be missing if it was working
[21:41] <ikonia> that makes no sense
[21:41] <k1l_> horsehoes: ubuntu ships several different nvidia versions. if you use the geforce.com one we are out of the business when it comes to support.
[21:41] <blinkblink> nicomachus: sure
[21:41] <ikonia> either it wasn't working or it was working, in which case the drivers where not missing
[21:42] <horsehoes> who can help me then, the one in the drivors page on the OS blinds me and makes all the icons 10x bigger
[21:43] <blinkblink> nicomachus: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23166596/
[21:43] <nicomachus> blinkblink: does your laptop have a wifi switch? like an actual physical switch?
[21:43] <k1l_> horsehoes: "the one". i just explained there are several different ones. and we still dont know facts like what driver number exactly and what video card exactly and what ubuntu release
[21:44] <horsehoes> Hang on let me try to find it
[21:46] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I don't know what to say... other than to reinstall.... waiting for your blessing to do so.
[21:46] <blinkblink> nicomachus: there is a switch on the side which i have not used at all, please lemme disconnect ethernet and try
[21:46] <nicomachus> blinkblink: because it says "DISABLED", which means the switch is turned to off, or you were messing around with something and disabled your wifi card. which isn't real easy to do.
[21:47] <blinkblink> nicomachus: errr i nearly reinstalled the entire distro!
[21:47] <blinkblink> nicomachus: am so sorry and thanks
[21:47] <nicomachus> blinkblink: was the switch off?
[21:47] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Sure .. re-install is the easiest solution .. I am, in this case. all for easy as we have tried the more difficult with no joy .
[21:48] <apb1963> Bashing-om: OK then
[21:52] <hexicpyth> Hi. I have an AMD Radeon HD 4650 in my PC. Because this card is "legacy", I opted to install ubuntu 14.04 rather than 16.04, as I have read that 16.04 wont support legacy cards. I'm attempting to install fglrx now, but my problem is that apparently, I have trusty installed, with xenial xorg packages. How did this happen?(Fresh install of 14.04.5 trusty)
[21:53] <hexicpyth> Also: how can I remove Xorg(doesn't sound like a good idea :D) and reinstall it with the trusty packages?
[21:56] <Bashing-om> hexicpyth: ATI dropped suport for your card a long time past . There is no proprietary driver available . As to the xenial stack on 14.04 . see below.
[21:56] <k1l_> hexicpyth: first: 16.04 supports all amd cards. its just amd stopped making fglrx from now on but they now make "amd_gpu" as open source kernel driver (which supports latest cards only).
[21:56] <Bashing-om> !hwe | hexicpyth
[21:56] <k1l_> hexicpyth: but the open source driver radeon is still working with all amd cards.
[21:57] <nicomachus> hexicpyth: my HD 6450 is purring with the radeon driver on 16.04
[21:57] <k1l_> hexicpyth: and secondly: the 14.04.5 ships the 4.4 kernel and xorg backported from 16.04. you can downgrade that to original 14.04 kernel and xorg if you want
[21:57] <hexicpyth> Sorry for my 8 year old card. The only reason I have it is because apparently, its faster than my entry-level nvidia gt 610 xD.
[21:57] <nicomachus> hardware is hardware
[21:58] <k1l_> hexicpyth: the open source radeon should work with that card.
[21:58] <hexicpyth> how do I install the open-source radeon driver?
[21:58] <apb1963> Bashing-om: What do you think... format it?
[21:58] <Bashing-om> hexicpyth: Nothing wrong with that card and the radeon driver . so long as 3D gamming is not in the picture . I too run an old old ATI card with no problems .
[21:59] <k1l_> hexicpyth: its loading as standard. since its included in the kernel already
[21:59] <hexicpyth> bashing-om: interestingly enough, the test I used for figuring out it was "faster" was a 3d game :)
[21:59] <hexicpyth> (not the minecraft is at all resource intensive, but technically its 3d)
[22:00] <hexicpyth> do you know the package name to the radeon driver? apt-get install radeon doesn't work
[22:01] <KMart27[PSU|GB]> anybody know the files to update for weather-util to point to the new NOAA URL?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> apb1963: If were me I would just fire up GParted. delete partition .. maybe as ya want a seperate /home shrink sdb2 (407.1G  the /home for 14.04 ) .. in the installer " something else" and install as desired .
[22:01] <k1l_> hexicpyth: you have that already
[22:01] <apb1963> hexicpyth: apt-file search radeon
[22:01] <hexicpyth> oh xD
[22:02] <hexicpyth> I was wondering why I got 60fps with no drivers installed on MC... :D
[22:02] <k1l_> hexicpyth: i explained that the radeon is in the kernel and is loaded as standard on ubuntu. so before you install your fglrx you already see a desktop, righ? that is radeon
[22:02] <k1l_> hexicpyth: and that is the same you get on 16.04
[22:02] <stoneRsonmi-451> hey there
[22:02] <k1l_> (since you just now run 16.04 kernel and 16.04 xorg already)
[22:03] <hexicpyth> So I can safely upgrade without breaking anything?
[22:03] <apb1963> bash... yeah... no sharing of /home...  I need to share my data files... ~/Documents and ~/Downloads being uppermost in my mind, but just plain old files in ~ as well.
[22:03] <apb1963> Bashing-om: ^^
[22:03] <blinkblink_> please now with wifi fixed i have a problem with a package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23166661/
[22:04] <blinkblink_> I need to remove Caffeine-developers
[22:04] <nicomachus> blinkblink_: you'll have to remove it or contact the developers
[22:05] <Bashing-om> apb1963: What I have is a shared data partition . works real well .
[22:05] <blinkblink_> nicomachus: i removed it from Ubuntu Software Center but it is still there!
[22:05] <k1l_> blinkblink_: sudo ppa-ourge ppa:caffeine-developers/ppa
[22:05] <apb1963> Bashing-om: yes you mentioned that before... but unless I physically move specific files there... I don't see how to use it.
[22:05] <Bashing-om> hexicpyth: That be xserver-xorg-video-radeon for the driver . Make sure you purge all vestiges of the old driver prior to the install .
[22:06] <nicomachus> k1l_: beat me to it
[22:06] <hexicpyth> So my next question: Will I be able to install the drivers to my GT 610(Its a mix-gpu setup :() without screwing things up?
[22:06] <k1l_> blinkblink_: and in future: before you activate those ppas again, see if they even ship packages for your new ubuntu relaease at all. in this case this doesnt ship packages since 15.04
[22:06] <Bashing-om> apb1963: That is what you do .. move the files to that directory .
[22:07] <hexicpyth> I would like to be able to use both my GPUS
[22:07] <blinkblink_> k1l_: ok. anyway "update failed for some reason" http://paste.ubuntu.com/23166727/
[22:08] <k1l_> blinkblink_: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:09] <hexicpyth> (I realize how non-driver-friendly my setup is; I literally built it out of a closet ;)...)
[22:09] <blinkblink_> k1l_: http://termbin.com/v0kl
[22:10] <k1l_> blinkblink_: "sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/caffeine-developers-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list*"
[22:10] <k1l_> blinkblink_: after that "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[22:11] <newbsie> I F'up and got myself locked out of sudo. How can I recover from this?
[22:11] <k1l_> what did you do?
[22:12] <blinkblink_> k1l_ wow. work like a charm! thank you so much
[22:12] <newbsie> During an update, I overwrote the /etc/sudoers file with the default.
[22:12] <blinkblink_> please where should i start reading on commands and such?
[22:12] <hexicpyth> newbsie: I've done that before, I believe you can use the recovery mode to reset your root password, and work from there...
[22:12] <k1l_> newbsie: make sure your user is in the sudo group
[22:13] <lordcirth> Yeah, default /etc/sudoers should actually work
[22:13] <newbsie> k1l_: that's the problem. I'm not.
[22:13] <lordcirth> newbsie, why not?  The default Ubuntu account is
[22:13] <k1l_> newbsie: so there is something different wrong on your system
[22:13] <newbsie> hexicpyth: I can't do that, because it is a live server sitting at digitalocean.
[22:14] <hexicpyth> newbsie: oh, I didn't know that...
[22:14] <k1l_> newbsie: you got another user account on that machine?
[22:14] <Bashing-om> !manual | blinkblink_
[22:14] <Bashing-om> !terminal | blinkblink_
[22:14] <newbsie> k1l_: not that I setup for login.
[22:15] <newbsie> k1l_: The problem is that everytime I try to just "su", it says authentication failure.
[22:15] <k1l_> newbsie: so does digitalocean offer a recovery? if not there is no solution
[22:16] <nathan__> I feel almost like I have malware on my ubuntu machine. Whenever i use apt or apt-get, (apt-get autoremove, apt-get install anything, etc) it says "setting up minecraft-installer (1.6.1-xenial1.1)..." and then goes through trying and failing to install it... how can I stop this?
[22:16] <k1l_> newbsie: on the standard ubuntu setup the main user (at least) is in the sudo group and is capable of using sudo because of that.
[22:16] <k1l_> nathan__: well, you can actually start to solve that issue so it doesnt need to try to start the install again. that is not a virus.
[22:16] <lordcirth> nathan__, do you mean that it tries to install Minecraft even when you don't want to, or is that an example?
[22:16] <nathan__> I've even removed the minecraft ppa I had, but that didn't stop the problem
[22:17] <newbsie> k1l_: I'm on the server version headless.
[22:17] <nathan__> I might say "apt-get autoremove", and it will download a jar file and attempt to install minecraft again
[22:17] <k1l_> newbsie: that is not different from desktop or server.
[22:17] <lordcirth> nathan__, sounds like apt was interrupted and is attempting to finish a transaction.
[22:18] <nathan__> lordcirth: thanks... so how do I get it to stop doing that?
[22:19] <lordcirth> nathan__, you could try 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[22:19] <k1l_> nathan__: run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" and show the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[22:19] <newbsie> k1l_: is there a way to see what the usernames are?
[22:20] <nathan__> "sudo dpkg --configure -a" did the exact same thing (and failing with exist status 8 after downloading the jar file ayet again
[22:20] <lordcirth> newbsie, you don't know the username that you've been using?
[22:20] <bekks> nathan__: Can you pastebin the entire output please?
[22:20] <k1l_> nathan__: details matter, show that in a patebin
[22:20] <newbsie> lordcirth: I do, but I was hoping there was another one I setup that I forgot.
[22:21] <k1l_> newbsie: list what usernames?
[22:21] <newbsie> k1l_: I guess I can't read the passwd file without being root, huh.
[22:21] <k1l_> newbsie: "cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd"
[22:21] <lordcirth> newbsie, yes you can
[22:22] <newbsie> can I see the sudoers file?
[22:23] <lordcirth> -r--r----- 1 root root 755 Aug 17 09:20 /etc/sudoers  <- no
[22:28] <minitrue> exit
[22:30] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I've decided to format it, but otherwise leave everything alone at this time.  I can always adjust it later.
[22:31] <santiago_> hola
[22:31] <santiago_> saludos desde chile
[22:32] <nathan__> k1l_: lordcirth: apparently update is taking a really long time
[22:32] <nathan__> so... still waiting
[22:32] <lordcirth> nathan__, is it making progress, though?
[22:32] <Steveeee> Hello. Trying to install ubuntu on a new laptop
[22:33] <nathan__> every 30 seconds or so it moves on it moves to a different get. I'll post the pastbin where its at right now
[22:33] <nathan__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23166888/
[22:33] <lordcirth> nathan__, is your internet really slow?
[22:33] <Steveeee> I am not familiar with these UEFI options that were asked me for the first time during this install. I haven't seen it in my years of installing ubuntu on older computers
[22:33] <hexicpyth> Does anybody know if a mixed GPU setup will work on ubuntu?
[22:33] <k1l_> nathan__: just let it run
[22:34] <Steveeee> And when I finish install apparently successfully, it still boots to Windows
[22:34] <lordcirth> hexicpyth, nearly anything will work, it's just a question of how much setup will be required.
[22:34] <hexicpyth> Ok, how would I go about installing the Nvidia drivers without messing up the open-source radeon ones?
[22:35] <hexicpyth> Or: DO I even need the nvidia drivers? All i need that card for is the extra 48 cuda cores.
[22:35] <Bashing-om> apb1963: That too will work . An eased mind is a good thing to have when re-partitioning !
[22:36] <lordcirth> hexicpyth, I think you need nvidia-cuda for that, which depends on the driver
[22:36] <hexicpyth> lordcirth: So should I just try installing the nvidia drivers, and come back if it wacks up my system?
[22:37] <lordcirth> hexicpyth, well, try, and see if apt wants to remove anything important, etc.
[22:37] <hexicpyth> ok. I'll do that now.
[22:38] <hexicpyth> whats the difference between nvidia-304 and nvidia-304-updates? Is the nvidia-304 one not maintained or something?
[22:40] <apb1963> Bashing-om: I think what I'll do eventually is create a /data partition and symlink ~/Documents to /data/apb/Documents  That way I don't have to worry about copying it.  Do the same for other similar subdirs.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> hexicpyth: Mind ya .. running bith ATI and nVidia cards, I do not know, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME may be of interest .
[22:42] <Bashing-om> apb1963: While that symlink method will work . I am always concerned about corrupting my system, why I use a data partition that is mountable without interferring with the OS .
[22:42] <hexicpyth> Im going to reboot now that I've installed the drivers and see what happens
[22:43] <lordcirth> apb1963, my Documents, Downloads, and Pictures are symlinked like this
[22:46] <joao1> hello
[22:51] <hexicpyth> nick, welp that definitely screwed things up...
[22:51] <hexicpyth> oops
[22:51] <hexicpyth> accidentaally put nick into that message :)
[22:53] <hexicpyth> but... now that I installed the nvidia drivers, Xorg would not work, so I removed them, and lightdm wont log me in as anyone other than guest...
[22:53] <lordcirth> hexicpyth, well that's quite strange
[22:54] <k1l_> hexicpyth: login on tty1 as your user, then do "ls -al" and see if your .xauthority belongs to your user or root.
[22:54] <hexicpyth> ok
[22:54] <apb1963> Bashing-om: And we have bootup!!!  Thank you sooooooooooo much!!!  I have to run out for a bit, but I'll be back hopefully within the hour or so.  Thank you!!!!
[22:54] <k1l_> hexicpyth: to tty1 you get with ctrl+alt+f1 and back you come with ctrl+alt+f7
[22:55] <hexicpyth> k1l_ I know how to switch ttys, but thanks. Anyway, .XAuthority is owned by root
[22:55] <energizer> What is the best im/irc client in ubuntu?
[22:56] <isene> Weechat
[22:56] <v3n0x> irssi
[22:56] <k1l_> then sudo chown user:user .Xauhtority  #replace user with your actual username
[22:56] <hexicpyth> will it work considering im logged on as guest rn?
[22:56] <k1l_> energizer: hexchat is a widely used irc client for gui
[22:56] <k1l_> hexicpyth: no, do that on tty1 while logged in on tty as your user.
[22:56] <isene> After using irssi for years, I tried weechat a couple of years ago. I'm in love now.
[22:57] <energizer> I would like to use the same client for gmail chat, facebook chat, irc. Do weechat, irssi, and hexchat do that?
[22:57] <Bashing-om> apb1963: Great !  no step for a stepper .
[22:57] <v3n0x> ive tried a couple, keep coming back to irssi
[22:57] <isene> Weechat does all that.
[22:57] <hexicpyth> just did that. Ill dry to log in again
[22:58] <isene> Check my blog post on this here: https://isene.me/2015/10/25/weechat/
[22:58] <riqj> hello everyone, in gnome disk utility my HDD is shown as 'smart not enabled' and I found a solution that suggested using 'hparm' or 'smartctl' commands..but when I use these I get 'command not found'
[22:59] <hexicpyth> OK, i did that, and lightdm works again, but now, I get a "System error" message on login. not that much of a problem, but just an annoyance.
[22:59] <hexicpyth> *"System problem detected"
[22:59] <k1l_> riqj: make sure smartmontools is installed
[22:59] <v3n0x> weechat actually looks pretty cool
[23:00] <hexicpyth> Its an Xorg error
[23:00] <riqj> k1l_ yes, I just found it in the wiki, installing now :)
[23:00] <k1l_> hexicpyth: press cancel if you like. its only from the last unsuccesful login attempts
[23:00] <hexicpyth> ok
[23:00] <energizer> isene: have you tried sms with weechat?
[23:01] <hexicpyth> So back to the drawing board I guess. Let me read that prime link. I noticed that the nvidia drivers installed "nvidia-prime", but I assumed it was just a dependency
[23:01] <isene> energizer: No. I don't have a need for that. But I will try it one day when I get the urge :-)
[23:02] <wabbits> how do I get rid of overscan on my hdmi display(acutally a tv)?
[23:02] <isene> And then I will connect my HP-41 sms gateway solution onto that to be able to send sms from a 1983 calculator via weechat to the world ;-)
[23:02] <riqj> I could enable smart via command line, but it is still shown as not enabled in gnome disk utility
[23:02] <linman> hi, how do i unmount a partition in use and try to fix the bad blocks?
[23:02] <isene> More on weechat setup here: http://zanshin.net/2015/01/10/a-guide-for-setting-up-weechat-and-bitlbee/
[23:03] <linux__> Hi, When I run text file by kate does not run the file from start line, it is run from last edited line , How I can stop this option?
[23:05] <freefall> howdy... question can i disable knotify4? seen i think it need 1.5g of VM ?
[23:05] <v3n0x> isene: thanks for sharing
[23:05] <freefall> better yet can i just uninstall it?
[23:05] <isene> v3n0x: You're welcome :-)
[23:06] <freefall> im running lubuntu btw
[23:06] <riqj> besides, I couldnt find anything about smart test in bios, when I searched for it there to enable..there was an HDD diagnostics section, but it only contained the machine's own hdd test
[23:15] <riqj> short smart test completed without error, yet when I check smart statistics via command line all values say either 'old-age' or 'pre-fail', and 'when failed' column is all '-' (empty)..so should I worry?
[23:16] <riqj> old-age is meant to be something else, as I just read..and another text also says pre-fail is a statistic value. but is there a hint here?
[23:16] <Steeeve> Hello! I got booted into ubuntu
[23:16] <Steeeve> I unfortunately have to rely on Bluetooth network tethering = mobile data usage for internet until I get my drivers working
[23:18] <riqj> a user post on superuser says 'so long as the normalized value > threshold value, nothing to worry about
[23:18] <freefall> ?
[23:19] <Steeeve> I'm on bluetooth tethered data on my other laptop until I can get my Intel driver working
[23:19] <Steeeve> Strangely, I can access internet through its Firefox but terminal applications (apt-get update; wget) don't work
[23:19] <Steeeve> Any ideas?
[23:20] <bumblefuzz> Hi!
[23:21] <jordan2> Have you tried turning it off and on again? :p
[23:22]  * riqj kneels in front of the wall and waits
[23:27] <winsen> Hi all
[23:27] <bumblefuzz> how do I know if a ppa is trustable?
[23:27] <OerHeks> bumblefuzz,
[23:28] <Bashing-om> !PPA | bumblefuzz You dont know
[23:28] <OerHeks> depends what ppa, 1 maintainer/group and do you read a lot about it?
[23:28] <winsen> does anyone know the difference between distro "ubuntu-16.04.1-desktop-amd64" VS debian-live-8.5.0-amd64-hamradio"? thanks
[23:28] <winsen> *and
[23:29] <OerHeks> winsen, see the releasenotes.
[23:29] <bumblefuzz> but what about my-weather-indicator?
[23:29] <OerHeks> hard to compare,debian and ubuntu. and hamradio
[23:30] <winsen> OerHers: I am just asking in general not in details
[23:31] <bazhang> winsen, there are websites that explain that, this ubuntu support only
[23:32] <OerHeks> https://www.debian.org/blends/hamradio/
[23:33] <winsen> OerHers: This also support question. I'd like to know the difference in order to know which one is light and stable.
[23:33] <nathan__> k1l_: lordcirth: didn't get back earlier(sorry), but k1l_ 's suggestion fixed it. It no longer asks about minecraft at all
[23:35] <OerHeks> winsen, you want to compare ubuntu amd64 with that debian compilation ?
[23:36] <winsen> OerHers: I thought both are based on debian isn't it?
[23:36] <k1l_> winsen: ubuntu is based on debian but it isnt debian.
[23:37] <OerHeks> yes, but why ?
[23:37] <OerHeks> why do you crosspost btw?
[23:37] <OerHeks> go test it yourself, we don't know your hardware and demands
[23:38] <winsen> OerHers: "what do you  mean debian compilation" and which one is?
[23:39] <winsen> K&l_: sure but our friend OerHeks seems to say that one of those is "debian compilation"?
[23:39] <lordcirth> nathan__, excellent
[23:39] <k1l_> winsen: please ask #debian how that spinoff is related to debian. we focus on technical ubuntu support in here.
[23:40] <winsen> bazhang: please don't torture yourself. It's also support question
[23:40] <OerHeks> polling is useless.
[23:40] <bazhang> winsen, not here it isnt
[23:40] <winsen> bazhang: are you gardian of this channel?
[23:41] <bazhang> winsen, yes
[23:41] <bazhang> please take the chit chat elsewhere winsen
[23:42] <winsen> bazhang: respect yourself otherwise I'll kick your ass right now
[23:42] <k1l_> winsen: please dont start a drama. you can have a read of the channel guidelines if you are unsure what this channel is for and what is allowed.
[23:42] <dirty_pages_joe> lol
[23:43] <k1l_> and that attitude and language is of course not wanted in the ubuntu community :/
[23:55] <dylan> h
[23:55] <Guest40933> hello people
[23:56] <winsen> k1l_: "
[23:56] <winsen> Self-respect is the cornerstone of all virtue."
[23:56] <BuckHere> Howdy :) Anyone wanna take a look at my ruTorrent settings and see why I'm getting so many of the files 'queued' ? here's a paste bin: http://pastebin.com/eCwGrzPF
[23:56] <bazhang> !ot | winsen
[23:56] <dirty_pages_joe> kkkkk on Internet???
[23:57] <Guest40933> people?