[05:33] <guiverc> my `chromium-browser` isn't accepting any text input into page/url/window... i've logged out, restarted but no difference. `snap refresh --beta chromium` to try a different version; no change. any clues appreciated
[11:23] <oerheks> guiverc, clear the cache of ~/.cache of chromium-browser
[11:24] <guiverc> thanks oerheks ... `rm`ing now...
[11:25] <oerheks> :-)
[11:27] <guiverc> that just increased disk space .5GB !  (2.2gb free increased to 2.7gb)
[11:29] <guiverc> alas starting chromium didn't fix issue
[11:31] <oerheks> oh :-(
[11:32] <oerheks> one could clear the ~/.config folder too, but then you loose all settings/bookmarks/plugins/malware
[11:34] <guiverc> thanks, I'll give it a go (the malware sounds interesting...)
[11:34] <oerheks> :-D
[11:34] <guiverc> no change, and nothing lost - maybe cause it's a snap; it's stored elsewhere..
[11:35] <oerheks> i had this once .. https://www.dropbox.com/s/eakrho2sfpgdvbw/virusaanval.png?dl=0
[11:36] <guiverc> i do have a ~/snap/chromium/ folder so looking there.
[11:36] <oerheks> oops, yes, my bad, snaps store their malware there
[11:36] <oerheks> err config
[11:37] <guiverc> yeah a windows security alert doesn't quite have the same effect when we're not using windoze
[11:38] <guiverc> :) on malware err ..
[11:39] <oerheks> still looking for my C: drive..
[11:40] <guiverc> my ~/snap/chromium/common/.cache/chromium/Default/Cache looks huge too, you've given me loads of disk space back here too
[11:41] <guiverc> what was 2.2gb free is now 3.3gb
[11:42] <oerheks> great
[11:42] <guiverc> no keybd yet with cache,  next is the malware i guess
[11:42] <oerheks> how about the logfiles?
[11:43] <oerheks> if they growing fast too..
[11:44] <guiverc> nope; (I omitted Code Cache)  .. no go, looking for config
[11:54] <guiverc> lost malware, but still no keyboard input :(  (but only plus site; 3.6gb of space in $HOME instead of 2.2)
[11:54] <guiverc> s/site/side
[11:58] <guiverc> oerheks, success !!!  (my continual re-load of chromium must have re-introduced issue whatever it was (into cache possibly), I redid some of prior commands (rm cache) & now it's working)...   Thanks HEAPS !!  (x2; problem solved & I have more disk space to fill!)
[12:00] <oerheks> great. still i like to find out what happens so often with chromium browser, is it because of the snap confinement?
[12:02] <guiverc> i have no idea, and too tired to look tonight..  (I'm adding back privacy.badger, ublock etc)
[12:03] <guiverc> I can't say I like snap; on reboot so often I find it reporting "Restore session?" & it returns to what it was a ~week prior  (and never as I close down with a single window; always 4-5 windows)
[12:03] <oerheks> "Privacy Badger blocks spying ads and invisible trackers. " nice
[12:12] <guiverc> thanks heaps oerheks, nice to have silence with box besides me now off (where I was browsing sites I use chromium with)
[16:53] <adrian_1908> Hello. Do I see it right that 20.04 LTS won't be defaulting to Wayland? I only found various news articles, so I wasn't sure how authoritative that is.
[17:10] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: (as already discussed on #ubuntu) it won't.
[17:12] <tomreyn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=No-Wayland-Default-20.04-LTS is maybe not the best source, you *may* be able to find a better source on blog.ubuntu.com
[17:15] <adrian_1908> tomreyn: Sorry, the large response drowned out your early "no". Yeah, that's one of the articles I read. Was just looking for an informed opinion, as those tend to be more current than articles on some topics.
[17:19] <tomreyn> adrian_1908: FWIW, the daily builds don't default to wayland (except for gdm), and i've seen ubuntu developers confirming it won't be defaulting to wayland for gnome-shell.
[17:23] <adrian_1908> tomreyn: Nice. I have an Nvidia GPU and need to use proprietary drivers for feature/perf reasons. If the upcoming LTS defaults to- and support X, then I know I have a solid workhorse for the forseeable future. In a few years I can then consider new hardware or a different distro if need be.
[17:25] <tomreyn> nvidia'S driver situation is probably a major reason why the default isn't changing, yet. sooner or later X will die, though.
[17:25] <tomreyn> it's already pretty much in bugfix only mode upstream
[17:26] <tomreyn> where 'already'  is ~ 50 years ;)
[17:26] <tomreyn> actually more like 35#
[17:27] <tomreyn> 33 for X11
[17:28] <adrian_1908> :)
[20:49] <elhoir> hello folks, i have a trange behavior in Synaptic
[20:49] <elhoir> it doesnt let me to uninstal packages due to "broken packages"
[20:50] <elhoir> but i have no broken debs!
[20:50] <elhoir> uninstall*
[20:50] <elhoir> can anyone help me?
[20:52] <oerheks> try first: sudo apt install -f
[20:52] <oerheks> then run sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[20:52] <oerheks> then try again to remove?
[20:53] <oerheks> else; run sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[20:53] <elhoir> oerheks, i did - system is clean
[20:53] <elhoir> wwell i run sudo apt full-upgrade
[20:53] <elhoir> its the same thing, isnt it?
[20:53] <oerheks> that is oke
[20:53] <oerheks> can you paste the output when you try to remoe?
[20:54] <oerheks> c/remove
[20:54] <oerheks> paste.ubuntu.com
[20:54] <elhoir> whth synaptic?
[20:54] <oerheks> try from terminal?
[20:55] <elhoir> ok, well i dont know theexact package name... i try to use * (wildcard) but terminal doesnt seem to allow them
[20:56] <elhoir> https://pastebin.com/4vkW3UiX (its in spanish)
[20:57] <oerheks> no visit pastebin, thanks
[20:57] <oerheks> it needs js
[20:57] <elhoir> oh sorry
[20:58] <elhoir> here you are - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5VTktysBhF/
[20:59] <oerheks> that is not the way to remove a kernel
[20:59] <elhoir> hm?
[20:59] <elhoir> well i did that with previous versions ans no  problem
[20:59] <elhoir> and*
[21:00] <oerheks> sudo apt-get purge linux-image-x.x.x-x-generic
[21:00] <oerheks> then run update-grub
[21:01] <oerheks> after reboot, autoremove
[21:01] <elhoir> i have just made it, tried to remove 5.4.0-12 ... and kernel image is still in /boot
[21:01] <elhoir> O_O
[21:01] <elhoir> O_O
[21:02] <elhoir> wtf
[21:05] <elhoir> few days ago i triedreinstalling packages && purging, no success
[21:06]  * oerheks lost interest due to bad language
[21:09] <elhoir> few days ago i tried reinstalling packages && purging, no success
[21:09] <elhoir> sorry
[21:14] <elhoir> ok
[21:55] <nmrp3> hi
[21:55] <nmrp3> so because I love to try out new things I did an do-release-upgrade to 20.4
[21:56] <Bashing-om> nmrp3: Welcome :D
[21:56] <nmrp3> cheers :)
[21:56] <nmrp3> so essentially everything works so far except my kde plasma workspace didn't start up - I have a blank desktop with no task bar or anything
[21:57] <nmrp3> I can start processes with alt-f2, and tab through them, but windows have no borders
[21:57] <nmrp3> they can be dragged around though - so I have a functioning window manager I guess
[21:58] <nmrp3> the only other minor thing is that my wireless mouse stopped working, but the wireless keyboard it came with works - go figure
[22:03] <nmrp3> Running "kstart5 plasmashell" prints out a lot of warnings and errors
[22:08] <Bashing-om> nmrp3: Await here for one who has KDE experience - not me, see then :)
[22:13] <nmrp3> I think "/usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session" may perhaps be to blame? It's got a bunch of error/warning entries in systemctl
[22:16] <Bashing-om> nmrp3: the log file .xsession-errors on your /home may have some hints ?
[22:18] <nmrp3> mm, loads of "could not connect to relay relay://******" messages
[22:18] <nmrp3> I'm going to try sddm and see if things boot with that - back in a couple of minutes
[22:25] <nmrp3> back
[22:27] <nmrp3> going to try with clean .cache .confg .local and try again ...
[22:34] <nmrp3> ok - so that hasn't fixed things
[22:37] <nmrp3> I@m wondering if I should drop down to a terminal, uninstall everything gnome and kde, reboot, then re-install?
[22:38] <Bashing-om> !Info kubuntu-desktop
[22:39] <Bashing-om> !info kubuntu-desktop
[22:39] <nmrp3> ah ... that wasn't installed any more somehow
[22:40] <nmrp3> so let's try that then
[22:40] <Bashing-om> !info ssdm
[22:40] <Bashing-om> !info sddm
[22:43] <nmrp3> ok -- going to reboot after installing kubuntu-desktop -- fingers crossed
[22:49] <nmrp3> hi - that's fixed it I thinl
[22:49] <nmrp3> thanks
[22:49] <nmrp3> so the version upgrade somehow lost the desktop pacakge
[22:50] <Bashing-om> nmrp3: :D Strange things can happen.
[23:28] <nmrp3> ain't that the truth


[00:00] <shauno> I'm kinda hoping it's just audio though.  because I want to see if I can replicate it on the ubuntu phone, so only expecting the headphone to do what it says on the tin, seems much easier
[00:01] <ali1234> http://paste.debian.net/172258/
[00:01] <ali1234> seems to be 4KB
[00:03] <ali1234> looks kinds like a firmware, and then a data section at 0x600
[00:04] <ali1234> i guess it could also be the encryption keys
[00:11] <shauno> heh, meaningless to me
[00:12] <shauno> although if that was the firmware, I'd kinda expect to see ANS & co in there as literal strings?
[00:12] <ali1234> yeah
[00:13] <ali1234> it could be the firmware for the serial -> whatever microcontroller
[00:13] <ali1234> if it just passes stuff straight through
[00:13] <ali1234> but that seems unlikely
[00:13] <ali1234> must be the encryption keys really
[00:13] <moreati> shauno: could you wire your own cable to feed the left (and/or) right headphone output of the iphone, to the mic in on you laptop - then just use audacity to record the output of triggertrap?
[00:14] <shauno> that's pretty much what I've tried, but it doesn't end up with anything usable
[00:14] <shauno> I suspect if it is sending actual signals, they'd be square waves on the wire, and my soundcard's probably not going to capture that properly
[00:16] <shauno> otoh, the app on the phone tells you to turn the headphone volume up full, so I'd have thought if there was some magical "send data out" mode, that wouldn't be required
[00:16] <ali1234> yeah it won't be sending data with magic APIs
[00:16] <moreati> shauno: the app wil be limited to audio frequencies signals that the iphone can play. AFAIK the headphone port doesn't do anything your laptop's headphone port could also do
[00:17] <shauno> right, I guess that's what I was asking.  since I know there's other dongles that live on the iphone headphone (like the Square creditcard readers) I wasn't sure if the phone did something interesting to accomodate those, or if they're all just hack
[00:19] <moreati> shauno: iphone -> world doesn't do anything special. There is a custom protocol for world -> iphone on the microphone wire. That's for play/pause/volume etc
[00:21] <moreati> namely http://david.carne.ca/shuffle_hax/shuffle_remote.html
[00:24] <shauno> this is what I get off it; https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/trigger.wav
[00:24] <shauno> but playing that back into the dongle does nothing
[00:28] <moreati> shauno: WHat input did you use to record that? It's stereo so I'm guessing line in
[00:28] <shauno> bingo
[00:30] <shauno> (I don't have mic in on my laptop because apple are weird, and didn't bother fishing out my little usb soundcard because I figured headphone level would swamp mic-in anyway)
[00:31] <moreati> shauno: IIRC line level signals are lower voltage than headphone level. Is it possible what your recording is clipped?
[00:33] <moreati> Can you just plug headphones into your iphone and listen to the signal directly? Perhaps use a Y splitter to be plugged into the dongle simultaneously
[00:33] <shauno> it shouldn't be.  it was the first time (audacity shows them nice big & red), so I turned the volume down one notch and tried again, now they don't go red & don't hit the ceiling
[00:33] <shauno> it just sounds like clicks in headphones
[00:34] <moreati> ok, sounds reasonable
[00:35] <shauno> it' got me stumped because, as you said, you'd expect some very mundane limits to what the headphone port can do - somewhere around 40/44/48k of boringness
[00:36] <moreati> another shot in the dark: if the dongle uses ultrasonic carriers then your recording at 44.1 kHz could be distorting it, recording at 48 kHz would rule that out
[00:41] <shauno> HAH
[00:41] <shauno> my soundcard *is* on 48, audacity doesn't seem to see this
[00:42] <shauno> if I get them to agree with each other, it comes out as a really annoying tone instead
[00:42] <moreati> sounds more promising
[00:43] <ali1234> seems like the soundcard might have jitter
[00:43] <ali1234> which might affect the ability of it to work
[00:48] <shauno> hm.  weird, but working
[00:48] <shauno> if I record with audacity set on the wrong rate, it sounds like clicks, and if I push the gain, it still sounds like clicks
[00:48] <shauno> at 48 or 96, it still sounds like clicks, but if I push the gain, now it sounds like tones ... and the camera works
[00:52] <ali1234> i just learned a new tool... binwalk
[00:53] <moreati> shauno: looks like one channel controls focus and the other the shutter http://www.diyphotography.net/building-diy-trigger-trap/
[00:55] <shauno> hm.  if that circuit's similar to the original, any loud noise should work
[00:56] <moreati>   shauno: not necessarily, it may require a particular frequency. Also the necessary waveform probably varies by camera manufacturer/model
[00:57] <shauno> oh sheesh.  audacity's "click track" works, you just have to push it until it clips
[00:58] <shauno> I've been so obsessed with figuring out what these clicks were, I hadn't thought to just yell down the wire
[00:59] <shauno> well, that's going to make things much easier lol .. thanks
[01:00] <shauno> (and nice that the dongle looks very easy to replicate.  they started off all nice and free on arduino, and morphed it into a "noooo, mine" smartphone world)
[01:02] <shauno> but the arduino version didn't use the dongle (going to audio and back would make no sense), so it didn't help me much
[01:03] <moreati> glad I could help, now time for bed
[05:32] <mappps> hi all
[05:32] <mappps> ;]
[05:37] <mappps> this ch4 show first dates is just brilliant
[05:38] <mappps> so many fools
[07:02] <diplo> Morning all
[07:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:31] <popey> yo
[07:32] <elfy> yo ahoy
[07:34] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:35] <elfy> morning
[08:19] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:20] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:20] <zmoylan-1i> o/
[08:21] <davmor2> Morning MooDoo how am ya chap long time no annoy I must get back on track with that :D
[08:22] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i've missed your trolling ;)
[08:23] <zmoylan-pi> a better scope on your rifle perhaps? :-P
[08:23] <davmor2> Yeah I have a my ethernet working again \o/ it only took an hour and a half of reading bits and pieces till I found a random link to a kernel bug and the alx driver \o/
[08:24] <davmor2> in not and
[08:24] <directhex> alx bugs?
[08:24] <directhex> tell me more
[08:24] <directhex> i'm using alx
[08:25] <directhex> popey: those poor laptop users :(
[08:25] <davmor2> directhex: apparently the driver would allow the ethernet to work for 1-2 seconds and then on receiving the first packet over run.
[08:25] <directhex> davmor2: huh. which network chip?
[08:27] <davmor2> directhex:  AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet
[08:29] <davmor2> directhex: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70761
[08:30] <directhex> hm. wonder if it's silicon-specific, and wonder if i'm fine on my default MTU
[08:33] <davmor2> directhex: you would know within 5 seconds if there were an issue or not, apparently it was fine in 14.04, flakey in 14.10 and then just refuses to work in 15.04 even though the driver itself by all accounts hasn't changed since 2012 by all accounts
[08:33] <directhex> i'm using 15.04 fine with alx
[08:34] <davmor2> directhex: I have the Lenovo y580 which is the laptop that seems to feature the most on bug
[08:34] <directhex> yeah, lots of y580s on that bug
[08:34] <directhex> maybe a firmware issue
[08:34] <directhex> can't be a coincidence that only lenovo users have it
[08:34] <davmor2> directhex: indeed
[08:35] <davmor2> directhex: apparently it was affecting dell users too
[08:36] <foobarry> davmor2: did you test the beta?
[08:36] <foobarry> did it get flagged up before release?
[08:38] <davmor2> foobarry: I was a beta tester but I was using wifi which works fine. But I noticed that transfers were slower as the chipset doesn't use 5g only 2.4g so now I am using it as my main pc I hooked up the ethernet and the networking died
[08:52] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Roast Leg Of Lamb Day! 😃
[08:53] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[08:55] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[08:55] <zmoylan-pi> and not vegemite chocolate day? http://www.independent.ie/life/food-drink/food-news/cadbury-confirm-a-vegemite-flavour-chocolate-bar-is-in-the-pipeline-31202508.html
[08:56] <popey> directhex: wat wat wat?
[08:56] <directhex> popey: your AMD ubuntu laptop retweet
[08:56] <popey> ah yes
[08:59] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, the date is wrong on that article. Should be April 1st. 😉
[09:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: It's not Sunday there is no time to be roasting legs of lamb
[09:02] <JamesTait> davmor2, that's one of the benefits of working from home!
[09:03] <MooDoo> working from home would be cool
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> your lunches in the fridge would be untouched
[09:03] <davmor2> JamesTait: you are meant to be working not tending a flock of sheep so you can have legs of lamb on tap :P
[09:06] <JamesTait> davmor2, if your taps are emitting legs of lamb, you need to get your plumbing checked.
[09:06] <JamesTait> Or tell me how you did it.
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> or open a butchers...
[09:07] <davmor2> You mean yours don't
[09:08] <foobarry> how do i find the authoritative name server for a dns entry?
[09:08] <foobarry> wnat to see the TTL rather than time left
[09:09] <nucc1> look what what NS is listed in the DNS recordes
[09:09] <foobarry> with dig?
[09:09] <nucc1> i imagine you could, i'd personally use a GUI.
[09:09] <nucc1> but if you can do an NS query for the name
[09:09] <foobarry> which one?
[09:10] <nucc1> http://network-tools.com/
[09:10] <nucc1> http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=dnsrec&host=gmail.com
[09:10] <nucc1> the two NS records in that page are the authoritative name servers for gmail.com
[09:10] <nucc1> well, there are 3 NS records, but you get what I mean :)
[09:12] <foobarry> times out for my entry...weird
[09:12] <nucc1> if your dns name is not on the public internet...
[09:13] <foobarry> it is :D
[09:13] <nucc1> if you don't mind sharing the name...
[09:14] <foobarry> Pm'd you
[09:15] <foobarry> but I can now query internally so i think i have the info now, cheers
[09:17] <nucc1> cool
[09:17] <nucc1> looks like the delegation is only done for internal users then :)
[09:44] <NET||abuse> hi folks, casting the net out there for London City area jobs.. Just wrapping up contract in a week, need to get on the hunt :) Anyone know any good places hiring? Devops roles.
[09:58] <foobarry> NET||abuse: i know a good london agency
[09:58] <foobarry> for linux devops roles
[09:59] <foobarry> pm'd
[09:59] <MooDoo> anyone know if there are any teaboy jobs going at canonical lol
[09:59] <NET||abuse> foobarry: cheers, though for perm roles, i'm attempting to find direct application options.
[10:01] <foobarry> we hired 2 perms roles from them too
[10:02] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:02] <NET||abuse> who's peeps?
[10:02] <foobarry> took us about 18 months to hire
[10:02] <NET||abuse> yeh, ouch, it's a hard task getting a reasonable candidate,
[10:03] <NET||abuse> COFFEEEE!!!
[10:03] <NET||abuse> back in 10
[10:03] <foobarry> we found some who had unrealistic salary expetations, others who just lived too far etc
[10:03] <foobarry> and plenty of numpties
[10:05] <bashrc> if it's the centre of London then you need a centre of London realistic salary to be able to live somewhere in the area
[10:07] <foobarry> its zone2
[10:07] <foobarry> you could live in the slums and travel cheaply to work
[10:08] <foobarry> and still get decent salary
[10:08] <Laney> slums, shit commute, shit salary
[10:08] <foobarry> the salary is decent, some people don't understand why
[10:08] <Laney> soudns like a great package to me :P
[10:09] <foobarry> pro rata i believe it is better value than the banks..
[10:09] <JamesTait> Holy cannoli, I think the apocalypse is here. The sky's gone black and it's raining and hailing like there's no tomorrow.
[10:09] <bashrc> one strategy which seems to work where I am is to employ a hardhore of hackers and then just employ recent PhDs who like Linux. Even if they know nothing to begin with people who are intelligent will learn quickly and after a few months they're pretty much as good as the rest
[10:09] <bashrc> s/hardhore/hardcore
[10:09] <foobarry> yeah, we tried attracting some phds
[10:10] <foobarry> some are weird. they think a paid job is an excuse to still continue their research
[10:10] <foobarry> no..you will have other things to do instead. "oh, and what about my research?" i don't think you're ready for a salaried post..
[10:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:28] <czajkowski> JamesTait: keep your rain it's sunny down south!
[10:29] <directhex> just had a downpour
[10:29] <JamesTait> czajkowski, thank you - now you've jinxed it, maybe it'll head down there!
[10:29] <directhex> with car plugged in. blerf
[10:33] <nucc1> bashrc and you use phd as a proxy for intelligent?
[10:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: I told you worship Thor but you insisted your god was the only one ;)
[10:45] <bashrc> nucc1: the place I'm at does. Roughly an indication that someone is able to learn complicated things
[10:52] <nucc1> bashrc: yea, it's fair. I just hope it's not an "if you don't have a PhD, we won't talk to you" policy though. :)
[10:53] <shauno> I'm not sure a phd actually shows whether they can or cannot learn.  if anything, it shows they have the ability to survive years-long projects
[10:54] <nucc1> ultimately, it proves very little to be honest, but as far as a filtering mechanism, if you draw randomly from a set of PhDs, i think your score for above average intelligence would be higher.
[10:54] <bashrc> nucc1: I don't have a phd, so that's not necessarily a barrier, particularly if you're already a known hacker with a track record
[10:54] <shauno> (but far too often it just means the person deciding has a phd and is still trying to convince himself it's value outside of academia.  yes I'm biased lol)
[10:56] <bashrc> phd really just indicates that someone has studied some complicated topic in depth
[10:58] <awilkins> Some of the worse code I've ever seen came from a PhD
[10:58] <awilkins> *wrost
[10:58] <awilkins> arrgh
[10:58] <awilkins> *worst
[10:59] <awilkins> My organization basically bought the fruits of his PhD project I think
[10:59] <awilkins> It was TERRIBLE
[10:59] <awilkins> He essentially re-implemented RCS, but badly, and in a KV store, and without any kind of client program to make it easier to use
[10:59] <awilkins> As a versioned object store (for one kind of object)
[11:00] <awilkins> 500,000 lines of Java-big-ball-of-mud
[11:00] <awilkins> He had classes that implemented 12 (twelve!!) interfaces, had over 200 methods
[11:01] <awilkins> Many of the interfaces inherited each other
[11:01] <davmor2> awilkins: let me guess you reimplemented it in 5 lines of python
[11:01] <awilkins> davmor2, No
[11:01] <awilkins> davmor2, I did develop a plan to reimplement it properly, but $$ had been spent on it. Full on sunk-cost-fallacy inertia
[11:02] <awilkins> At the beginning of the project immediately after acquisition I recommended that it was thrown away and started again from scratch.
[11:02] <awilkins> 4-5 years later they were still pouring money into the pit
[11:03] <davmor2> awilkins: hahahahaha sounds about right
[11:04] <MooDoo> awilkins: give davmor2 a tenner and he'll fix it for you ;)
[11:04] <awilkins> User preferences AND global application logic were stored in a binary-serialized blob
[11:05] <awilkins> Ugh, I'm going to stop
[11:05] <awilkins> I wrote a report on how bad it was once, I could go on for hours
[11:06] <Flashtek> lol
[11:06] <Flashtek> sounds about right
[11:06] <davmor2> well I can break it for you
[11:07] <awilkins> One more horror for you : the class that implemented 12 interfaces was also a generic, defined in terms of a class that took itself as a parameter
[11:07] <awilkins> Yes, there was code that was it's own grandpa
[11:09] <awilkins> public abstract class ConceptComponent<R extends Revision<R, C>, C extends ConceptComponent<R, C>>
[11:09] <awilkins>         implements I_AmTermComponent, I_AmPart<R>, I_AmTuple<R>, I_Identify, IdBI, I_IdPart, I_IdVersion,
[11:09] <awilkins>         I_HandleFutureStatusAtPositionSetup
[11:09]  * awilkins shudders
[11:10] <JamesTait> https://youtu.be/eYlJH81dSiw
[11:10] <ne2k> Java and the Java universe does tend to lend itself to that sort of horror
[11:11] <directhex> java!
[11:12] <awilkins> The diagram in that is about the same as the class diagrams involved.
[11:13] <awilkins> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/ConceptComponent.png
[11:13] <awilkins> Methods omitted, because you only have so many pixels
[11:16] <awilkins> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/Description.png
[11:16] <awilkins> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/doomcloud.png
[11:20] <czajkowski> JamesTait: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/596273052033404928
[11:21] <JamesTait> czajkowski, cute! But you'll have to try harder than that to get me to tell you what the weather is like here now. 😉
[11:21] <bashrc> awilkins: coding is really a skill and having code review goes a long way towards improving the quality
[11:22] <bashrc> and also transfering knowledge from elder hackers
[11:26]  * davmor2 looks at phone to see what the weather up T'north is like.......T'north not found must be an app written by a Londoner JamesTait :D
[11:28] <daftykins> wow not all telco engineers are blessed with social skills
[11:29] <daftykins> Mr.Grumpy was there this morning at a friends place :)
[11:29] <awilkins> bashrc, This guy was older than me .. but clearly not a hacker
[11:30] <bashrc> the point being that if you have a good process with code review then it's easier for beginners to learn how to code well
[11:30] <awilkins> It was tools for managing a somewhat large graph of objects
[11:30] <awilkins> Yeah, he worked on it alone for 5 years I think
[11:31] <awilkins> I agree
[11:31] <awilkins> You do improve
[11:31] <awilkins> Been having to write VBA code recently to do reports because bossman insists that the timesheets get done in Excel
[11:32] <bashrc> sounds hellish
[11:32] <awilkins> I am staggered at just how radically different the VBA code I write now is from the VB / VBscript code I wrote 10 years ago
[11:33]  * bashrc hasn't written any VB code for 10+ years
[11:33] <awilkins> I got to being a pretty good VB6 developer (as in, total wizard, could write VB code that did things faster than the runtime libraries did it)
[11:33] <awilkins> I refuse to learn VB.NET because it will erase my VB6 EEPROMS
[11:33] <awilkins> VB6 is like the COBOL of my generation - retirement plan language
[11:36]  * daftykins wonders if a tazer would wipe awilkins
[11:38] <MooDoo> daftykins: only one way to find out......TTTAAAZZZEEERRRRR
[11:39] <daftykins> 8D
[11:42] <awilkins> Don't taze me, bro!
[11:43]  * daftykins glances down at the two smoking electrodes protruding from awilkins' abdomen
[11:45] <davmor2> oh man now you made awilkins mad, you won't like him when he is angry :D
[11:45] <awilkins> If it kills a few fat cells, meh
[12:31] <foobarry> why put calorific values per 100g and then don pu the weight on the pack
[12:32] <daftykins> Admiral Ackbar would have something to say about that
[12:33] <shauno> they like to pretend you're not going to eat the whole pack
[12:33] <foobarry> i want to know in case i need to buy a mars bar to supplement it
[12:33] <shauno> like novelty-sized energy drinks giving you info per 100ml
[12:35] <popey> Afternoon slackers
[12:36] <daftykins> o/
[12:41] <davmor2> popey: you just got up and then have the nerve to call us slackers :P
[12:41] <popey> lies
[12:42] <nigelb> Hello yourself, popey
[13:30] <Seeker`> popey: you made me dizzy!
[13:36] <popey> :)
[13:46]  * Seeker` eyes popey's latest tweet, wonders if he realises it's almost 3pm :P
[13:48] <popey> ya
[14:08] <foobarry> who are all these people on facebook saying every vote counts?
[14:09] <Laney> people that don't live in a safe seat
[14:09] <foobarry> only the winners votes count!
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> first past the post silly system
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> proportional representation is where real chaos lies :-)
[14:15] <mappps> how do they find such thickos
[14:15] <mappps> girl on first dates doesn't realise belgium is its own country
[14:15] <mappps> somehow thinks its germany
[14:15] <mappps> ;[
[14:15] <foobarry> one girl said "i didn't know you could get egyptians nowadays. i thought they were only in old times"
[14:15] <foobarry> the blokes face was :-O
[14:16] <mappps> hahahahahahahah yea
[14:16] <mappps> honestly it's incredible
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> well in her defence germany sometimes thinks it's theirs too...  :-P
[14:32] <shauno> I had a really strange conversation with my little sister when she found out how much I earn.  she was trying to figure out how many multiples of the minimum wage it was
[14:32] <shauno> she's mid-20s, and still doen't seem to grasp that minimum wage isn't a target
[14:32] <foobarry> my salary peaked around 2005
[14:33] <zmoylan-pi> it is sadly for some
[14:33] <foobarry> or nearer 2000
[14:33] <foobarry> i use the yardstick of "you are well off if your salary in K is more than your age in years"
[14:34] <zmoylan-pi> can't use the thatcher if your cycling to work one anymore :-)
[14:35] <zmoylan-pi> or was she on about the buses...
[14:38] <mappps> n&p closed my account due to my 'conduct'
[14:38] <mappps> pretty annoying
[14:39] <foobarry> overdrawn?
[14:39] <mappps> had a balance there but only ever used it for gambling
[14:39] <mappps> and sometimes abroad
[14:39] <foobarry> i have 11£ in a N&P account that i never got bac
[14:39] <mappps> got a nasty letter telling me theyre closing it..i carried on using it lol
[14:39] <mappps> they then told me its still due for closure
[14:39] <mappps> asked if they'd transfer the balance to a diff ac in my name ..nope
[14:39] <mappps> they'd only send me a cheque..how helpful
[14:39] <mappps> I'm not in the uk:P so i didn't want a cheque
[14:40] <mappps> but didnt want to mention that to them
[14:40] <foobarry> say you can't trust your mailbox
[14:40] <foobarry> you live with a pet chimp who rips up cheques
[14:41] <shauno> not sure that'd help, they'd probably offer that he can come into the branch with ID and collect
[14:41] <mappps> nevermind
[14:41] <mappps> new bank opening here soon..got an appointment 20th may:D
[14:41] <mappps> gib national bank!
[14:41] <mappps> barclays/natwest stopped taking customers here..and are closing..i guess because they're gonna run their own bank
[15:26] <daftykins> found diddledan :D https://i.imgur.com/ZpY9xAN.webm
[15:30] <nucc1> mapps, i think it's a grave mistake to conflate ignorance with stupidity.
[15:30] <shauno> I never realised how similar oxford & cambridge look.  or at least, I didn't know they had exactly the same busses
[15:32] <directhex> looks like an enviro 400h to me
[15:34] <directhex> stagecoach run busses in most of the UK
[15:36] <diddledan> lol, daftykins , that's awesome
[15:36] <daftykins> :D
[15:40] <diddledan> so should I buy an E4.5?
[15:40] <diddledan> just to see what all the fuss is about :-p
[15:40] <directhex> ?
[15:40] <diddledan> http://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5
[15:53] <awilkins> My daughter just had her phone nicked. Should I get an ubuntuphone for her?
[15:53] <popey> :(
[15:53] <popey> does she use whatsapp?
[15:53] <awilkins> No
[15:53] <popey> seems to be the main question :)
[15:53] <popey> what does she use?
[15:53] <awilkins> I don't get WhatsApp at all
[15:53] <diddledan> I don't even know what whatsapp does
[15:53] <awilkins> It was an Android phone
[15:53] <popey> wat
[15:53] <popey> it's IM
[15:54] <popey> with voice, photo, video sharing and groups and stuff
[15:54] <diddledan> so it's skype?
[15:54] <awilkins> So, it's Google Talk?
[15:54] <diddledan> :-p
[15:54] <awilkins> Hangouts/Whatever
[15:54] <diddledan> awilkins: jinx, sorta
[15:54] <awilkins> Basically it's spreading the NSA "donations" to another company?
[15:55] <diddledan> we could be standards compliant and say "so it's webrtc?"
[15:55] <awilkins> I like that
[15:55] <awilkins> I wish all the flipping webconf companies would all go WebRTC
[15:55] <diddledan> aye
[15:55] <awilkins> And just trade on the extras they added like collaborative document editing
[15:56] <diddledan> I'm glad firefox are on-board with their hello thing
[15:56] <awilkins> WebRTC + Operational Transform document editor 4tw]
[15:56] <awilkins> We have to use this thing that doesn't work on Linux
[15:56] <diddledan> webex?
[15:57] <diddledan> seems everyone businessy want their employees to use webex
[15:57] <diddledan> it's even a verb to some folk
[15:57] <diddledan> "webex me"
[15:57] <awilkins> Webex works on Linux
[15:57] <diddledan> nowai
[15:58] <awilkins> It even works properly if you try
[15:58] <awilkins> I have an /opt/webex folder with a working install of the environment you need
[15:58] <awilkins> Webex is basically a Java app with links to 32-bit native DLLs
[15:58] <awilkins> So you need a 32-bit Firefox / Java combo
[16:00] <awilkins> Then it all works, the audio, the annotations, etc
[16:00] <awilkins> GotoMeeting, that doesn't work on Linux, not the native client
[16:01] <awilkins> But they now have a limited WebRTC client that can join meetings at least
[16:02] <awilkins> As soon as someone comes up with a shiny WebRTC client that offers all the wingwangs that WebEx and GotoMeeting have they are...well, going to coast on with their inertia
[16:07]  * bashrc has heard people complaining about WebEx, but knows nothing about it
[16:45] <diddledan> I suppose I should go vote
[16:46] <dutchie> got a whole 4 and a bit hours yet!
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> could be a queue
[16:48] <popey> there was a UKIP woman lurking outside the polling station where I was.
[16:48] <diddledan> grr @ ukip
[16:49] <simondbull> popey, did anything controversial slip out of her mouth?
[16:49] <dutchie> i managed to restrain myself from starting an argument with the ukip campaigners outside the supermarket last weekend
[16:52] <popey> simondbull: only "thank you"
[16:54] <Laney> the tellers aren't allowed to be political
[16:55] <bashrc> are they not allowed to vote?
[16:55] <Laney> while telling
[16:56] <Laney> one of our councillors was doing it when i voted earlier
[16:56] <bashrc> I guess by not being political you mean that they shouldn't be encouraging voters to vote one way or another at the ballot box
[16:57] <Laney> they are only there to record who has voted
[16:57] <popey> she didnt seem interested in tat
[16:57] <popey> *that
[16:57] <popey> had no clipboard or owt
[16:58] <popey> also, discovered my neighbour from 2 doors down is a Green party candidate for the council
[16:58] <popey> which surprised me, didn't know
[16:58] <Laney> guessing they didn't campaign much then
[16:59] <popey> yeah
[16:59] <popey> solid Tory round here
[16:59] <popey> not much point it seems
[17:00] <Laney> kind of the same here (but Labour)
[17:00] <Laney> Greens managed to get a full set of candidates but they didn't really bother campaigning
[17:00] <Laney> for the council, this is
[17:01] <Laney> Not going to change the system by giving in to it
[17:01] <Laney> suppose it is early days for them as a larger party...
[17:02] <popey> https://twitter.com/DaphneFlap is funny
[17:02] <popey> usually tweets pics of the cat coming and going
[17:03]  * Laney goes climbing so that he can be back before The Vote on More4
[17:03] <Laney> tara
[17:03] <popey> o/
[17:05] <zmoylan-pi> the greens did campaign but didn't use electricity, snail mail or cars or vans to do so...
[18:56] <directhex> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamuniverse/discussions/1/620712999971814660/
[19:03] <diddledan> directhex: I've added it to my mirroring torrent thingy
[19:03] <directhex> \o/
[19:04] <directhex> should have no speed limiting set, but it's slow anyway
[19:04] <directhex> traffic shaping by BT maybe
[19:05] <directhex> pushing to someone running Deluge <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:06] <diddledan> I've got a 31.5 ratio on the 153plus2 release (previous version to this one?)
[19:10] <directhex> diddledan: yes, that was the previous release
[19:14] <diddledan> just fyi - while the readme has the correct .horse address the github metadata (at the top of the file list) has a github.io address which 404s: https://github.com/steamos-community/stephensons-rocket
[19:16] <diddledan> and directhex.github.io (without the /stephensons-rocket suffix) shows an older version of the page with very out-of-date info (as far as I can see)
[19:39] <popey> directhex: is steam buggered?
[19:40] <popey> yes, it is
[19:42] <directhex> diddledan: fixed
[20:11] <dogmatic69> guys, I think I have fixed my borked upgrade..
[20:12] <awilkins_> Anyone who hasn't yet voted you're VERY NAUGHTY, polling stations close in 49 mins, get your butt out there
[20:12] <awilkins_> Unless you vote Tory, 'natch
[20:12] <dogmatic69> cant remember who was around last night 20ish hours ago
[20:12] <awilkins_> Borked upgrade from the 6 years out of date distro?
[20:13] <shauno> I think 6 years was someone with a shorter nick
[20:13] <shauno> iirc dogmatic69 just had a bumpy ride trying to skip one coming up to current?
[20:14] <dogmatic69> nope, 14.04 -> 14.10
[20:14] <dogmatic69> totally crashed
[20:15] <dogmatic69> this seems to be the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/1385817
[20:15] <dogmatic69> someone in there asked for new tickets with output which I posted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1452505
[20:15] <dogmatic69> I have now added the comments per the last comment on the first bug and its runnning so far...
[20:16] <dogmatic69> still a couple errors happened but mostly seems working now
[20:43] <dogmatic69> wow, pc seems considerably more snappy on 14.10
[20:46] <dogmatic69> ok, anyone know how I can format reinstall 15.04 and then make my software RAID1 work again without formatting the raid?
[20:51] <dogmatic69> the raid is not my boot drive btw...
[20:51] <diddledan> surely it'll "just work"?
[20:59] <awilkins_> Polls close in 45 seconds
[20:59] <ali1234> okay i'm dumping the firmware from the picture frame CPU... the part that would normally talk to the baseband stack
[20:59] <ali1234> it's in a SPI eeprom ;)
[21:00] <diddledan> I thought you were fiddling with a DECT handset?
[21:01] <ali1234> i am
[21:01] <diddledan> o_O
[21:01] <ali1234> it's not a handset though
[21:01] <ali1234> it's a picture frame which has a DECT baseband and handsfree built in and shows a picture of who is calling you when they call
[21:01] <Laney> holy shit
[21:01] <Laney> that exit poll
[21:01] <diddledan> Laney: ?
[21:01] <diddledan> what did I miss?
[21:01]  * diddledan plops the beeb on
[21:02] <Laney>  EXIT POLL: Conservatives largest party with 316 seats, Lab 239, LD 10, SNP 58, UKIP 2, Green 2, PC 4, Others 19.
[21:03] <diddledan> LD 10?!
[21:03] <diddledan> wow
[21:04] <directhex> that's the exit poll. i hope it's nonsense
[21:04] <directhex> if not, the coalition remains entrenched
[21:04] <Laney> was pretty good last time
[21:05] <ali1234> how many do they need for a majority again?
[21:05] <Laney> 323 discounting sinn fein
[21:05] <Laney> that's quite skinny without any others
[21:05] <directhex> ali1234: technically 326. but sinn fein won't show up, so that means 2 or 3 off the required total
[21:05] <diddledan> how have libdems dropped to a measly 10?!
[21:06] <diddledan> that's shoddy for them if true
[21:06] <ali1234> why?
[21:07] <directhex> why what?
[21:07] <ali1234> why is it shoddy?
[21:07] <diddledan> because that's a big loss compared to last time
[21:07] <ali1234> it's about what everyone expected
[21:07] <diddledan> it's still shoddy for them
[21:08] <Laney> you expected 57 -> 10?
[21:08] <ali1234> yes
[21:08] <Laney> not what I heard at all
[21:08] <ali1234> didn't everyone?
[21:09] <Laney> you should go into psephology
[21:09] <ali1234> tbh i reckon a lot of embarassed UKIP voters have said they voted tory
[21:10] <ali1234> SNP probably wont get that many seats
[21:10] <ali1234> and LD will probably get a bit more than 10, but not much
[21:10] <awilkins_> Exit polling suggests SNP hold every seat but 1 in Scotland
[21:10] <awilkins_> Arrgh
[21:10] <ali1234> arrgh?
[21:11] <awilkins_> I really hope there is a massive flaw in the exit polls
[21:11] <ali1234> what's wrong with the SNP?
[21:11] <awilkins_> No, arrgh Tories
[21:11] <awilkins_> Don't mind the SNP
[21:11] <ali1234> haha
[21:12] <ali1234> the real tragedy is we'll get another five years of murdoch being that actual ruler of the country
[21:12] <diddledan> lolo
[21:12] <diddledan> I shouldn't laugh
[21:12] <Myrtti> I've already learnt to rejoice in small mercies wrt elections back from the Finnish one. Although we heard from the future prime minister today what the coalition back home will be like and it's grim, let me tell you
[21:12] <diddledan> but funny
[21:12] <Myrtti> griimmmm.
[21:13] <diddledan> Myrtti: :-(
[21:14] <awilkins_> Aren't they going to try out Basic Income in Finland?
[21:14] <Myrtti> centre-right, with some really conservative values in 2/3rds of the party leaders. One is even Catholic Millwall supporter.
[21:15] <Myrtti> awilkins_: not really
[21:15] <Myrtti> where not really means no
[21:15] <Myrtti> and especially now, not.
[21:17] <awilkins_> Bah.
[23:45] <Laney> waiting for the flood
[23:45] <Laney> come on!
[23:45] <daftykins> the what?
[23:45] <Laney> flood
[23:48] <OerHeks> waiting for Progress59 to splash ?
[23:48] <Laney> quite soon many seats will declare
[23:51] <directhex> it's slow until around 1:30am, when dozens declare at once
[23:52] <daftykins> oh politics
[23:52]  * daftykins switches off and wanders off :D
[23:54]  * Laney does some election night washing up
[23:55] <daftykins> :>
[23:55] <directhex> election night dishwasher is running
[23:57] <popey> suppose I should empty the dishwasher
[23:57] <popey> don't announce anything till I'm back y'hear!
[23:58] <OerHeks> I am ... <pause>
[23:58]  * OerHeks goes for an election-night-chihuahua-walk


[00:55] <Erthe> Hey folks.  Kubuntu 15.04 Beta 2, plugged in a USB 3 thumb drive formatted with FAT32; Dolphin sees the volume but it's inaccessible to my user account (who has sudo privs)
[00:56] <Erthe> Couldn't find a bug for this, just wondering if I've done something wrong.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> holstein: thats long time ago mate :p
[04:12] <holstein> lotuspsychje: ?
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> holstein: you did support long time in #ubuntu right, we never see you anymore?
[04:13] <holstein> correct, im not in #ubuntu anymore
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> holstein: why's that mate?
[04:13] <holstein> i dont feel its constructive for me to be there anymore
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> did you have a sort of issue perheps?
[04:14] <holstein> im also just busy..
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> holstein: i always found you very helpfull to users
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> ok, i understand no sweat mate
[04:14] <holstein> there *always* some sort of issue.. ;)
[04:15] <holstein> anyways, im running some 15.04 places, so i thouht i should be keeping an eye here, as i update..
[04:15] <holstein> lotuspsychje: cheers, and good to see you :)
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> holstein: im sticking to good ol LTS :p
[04:18] <holstein> i have that running some places as well..
[07:47] <sbarreros> hi, I have a question about mac addresses, can anybody help, please..
[07:50] <SwedeMike> sbarreros: just ask, and stick around until someone might answer.
[07:50] <SwedeMike> nobody can answer the question until you've actually said it out loud.
[08:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:55] <elfy> morning lordievader
[08:55] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you?
[08:57] <elfy> sun's shining, it's Saturday :p
[08:57] <elfy> you?
[08:58] <lordievader> Waking up late...
[08:58] <lordievader> At least, trying to do so.
[08:59] <elfy> :)
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[19:42] <BornToFlyBert> Hello Everybody! Is there anybody insinde who can help me with cups, ubuntu and lexmark printers
[19:42] <BornToFlyBert> ?


[19:37] <melodie> hello
[19:38] <melodie> I would like to see the ubuntu wiki doc be updated on the page "LiveCDCostumizationFromScratch". I would be willing to do it but one I am a newbie there and two I can't get a login at the moment, the page just does not want to be displayed.
[19:38] <melodie> I there someone who could help me ?
[19:39] <melodie> here the page:
[19:39] <melodie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[19:39] <melodie> here the comment #44 in that one page:
[19:39] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430224/comments/44
[19:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 430224 in upstart "init: support chroots" [Medium,Fix released]
[19:40] <melodie> and now I see upstart is even more recent, with version 1.5.x
[19:41] <melodie> ok bbl
[20:29] <melodie> back
[20:29] <melodie> still no one  here ?
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, what?
[20:49] <MrChrisDruif> melodie; ^
[20:56] <melodie> oh ?!
[20:56] <melodie> Hi MrChrisDruif
[20:56] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha
[20:57] <MrChrisDruif> About what section on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch were you enquiring?
[20:57] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, I am almost gone to get to sleep, as I can't get a login on that page I am now writing a bug report instead
[20:57] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, about /sbin/initctl
[20:57] <melodie> solved here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430224/comments/44
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 430224 in upstart "init: support chroots" [Medium,Fix released]
[20:58] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, do you need other clues ?
[20:58] <melodie> how could I classify this bug ?
[20:59] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not familiar with either that page or /sbin/initctl , but if you could edit the text you get from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch?action=raw to what it should be, I can alter it for you?
[21:00] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, interesting page
[21:00] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, does this help you ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/1002062
[21:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1002062 in ubuntu-docs "LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch page needs an update" [Undecided,New]
[21:00] <melodie> :)
[21:01] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, did you just try "refresh" once you came back on that page?
[21:02] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, I will try to build a Openbox Ubuntu Precise Remix, based on openbox-menu package. See the menu here for an example :
[21:02] <melodie> http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/2-Ubuntu-Openbox-desktop.png
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> So "Login" return to page and "refresh"?
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> lint2?
[21:03] <melodie> Login takes me to this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> Español btw?
[21:04] <melodie> which I could eventually edit, but this was not my purpose. Then trying to reach again the page I am interested it makde me loose the login status
[21:04] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but when you go back to /LiveCDetc and refresh/f5?
[21:04] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, no, no soy de Espana y no puedo hablar espanol mucho
[21:05] <MrChrisDruif> (It's one of the many "bugs" I've found with the new "light" theme)
[21:05] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, I didn't try that
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Could you try that?
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> For me? Pretty please? ^_^
[21:06] <melodie> I am trying right now, and it is so long before displaying next page !
[21:06] <melodie> now:
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[21:07] <melodie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=login&login=1&oidstage=1&stage=openid&-blablabla-my_name-and-so
[21:07] <melodie> I put back in the uri field : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[21:08] <melodie> and back to no-login anymore. so I clicked on refresh, and still not logued in
[21:08] <melodie> end of line.
[21:08] <melodie> I can't do more.
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm, okay.
[21:08] <melodie> and also I am a newbie here and I get very tired now. :D
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> It worked for me..
[21:08] <MrChrisDruif> Understandable
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Please go to bed and sleep well
[21:09] <melodie> very good ! can you edit that page and add the relevant information, or make use in any what that you think is good ?
[21:09] <melodie> MrChrisDruif, thanks ! :)
[21:09] <melodie> Eres Espanol ?
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Nee, Nederlands ^_^
[21:09] <melodie> ok
[21:09] <melodie> I don't know how to say good night in Dutch, but I wish you a good one ! :)
[21:09] <melodie> bye
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> You too
[21:10] <melodie> thanks a lot ! :)
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> Buenas noches!


[01:39] <Nivex> holstein: that firefox PPA works like a champ!
[03:47] <_marx_> ops sorry yall
[03:54] <holstein> Nivex: :)
[18:57] <Nivex> has anyone seen a speaker list for SELF 2011?  They said "this week" back on the 8th, but that's the last thing I can find.


[23:36] <Strangerdanger8> Hello
[23:36] <Strangerdanger8> somebody sabotaged the meeting bot in #ubuntu-meeting-2
[23:37] <Strangerdanger8> And the tech board couldn’t finish their meeting
[23:50] <Unit193> That's a channel I entirely forgot about.


[18:10] <Mooncairn> Has anyone tried using fish? How do you rate it vs bash or zsh?
[18:11] <ben> i've been using fish for years
[18:11] <ben> it's great
[18:11] <ben> i don't write scripts in fish but i use it interactively and it's lovely
[18:12] <Mooncairn> I like how certain features that require plugins in zsh are built-in with fish.
[18:13] <Mooncairn> There's one or two nit-picky things that it doesn't have, and I haven't even started looking at fisher and its ecosystem.
[18:13] <Mooncairn> Migrating over to it from zsh and zprezto is taking some time, though.
[18:14] <llua> those plugins aren't adding features, just configuring them.
[18:15] <Mooncairn> Good to know. I'm still learning what featuers fish has and how they work.
[18:16] <cmaloney> I'm sticking with bash because I'm a curmudgeon. :)
[18:17] <llua> fish's completion system is weaker than zsh, but most people don't understand shell completion systems so its kinda a moot point
[18:18] <Mooncairn> Yea, that's the nit-picky area. :)
[18:20] <greg-g> I thought I knew who ben was but I'm wrong, based on /whois :)  Welcome ben.
[18:20] <greg-g> and others like Mooncairn who I don't think I've met before.
[18:29] <ben> how greg-g!
[18:29] <ben> howdy* even
[18:29] <ben> howdy to the fellow Michiganders
[18:31] <Mooncairn> Hi greg-g!
[18:32] <ben> where in MI y'all at?
[18:32] <ben> I'm originally from Marquette, been living in TC for a little over 5yrs now
[18:35] <greg-g> I'm no longer in Michigan, sadly, I'm now in SoCal (by way of the bay area). But I kinda started this here channel thing and I want to move back someday (but my wife may not like the weather anymore :) )
[18:40] <cmaloney> metro detroit area
[19:02] <llua> ditto
[20:16] <Mooncairn> Globbing in fish is also much weaker than zsh. I use extended globbing quite a bit, mostly for things like "mv foo{,.bak}".
[20:17] <llua> that isn't globbing but brace expansion
[20:21] <Mooncairn> Ok, I'd miss brace expansion. I also do enough actual extended globbing that it'd be annoying to miss it, but I think fish has some utilities to ease that pain.
[20:22] <Mooncairn> The reason I'm considering fish in the first place is that zsh is really slow and I have to track and insall a plethora of plugins and add-ons.
[20:28] <llua> the plethora of addons usually lead to that, like internet explorer.
[21:19] <ben> iirc brace expansions work as you would expect in fish
[21:19] <ben> i tried zsh some years ago and was very happy to find the stuff i had to get plugins for was already-included
[21:19] <ben> (in fish, that is)
[21:24] <Mooncairn> D'oh! Because I had erroneously lumped brace expansion into globbing in my thinking, I didn't catch that fish does have the former.


[05:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: just clementine
[05:23] <flocculant> tried qmmp, audacious, didn't expect the mpd things to work anyway
[05:26] <flocculant> ochosi: will turn it on again :)
[05:30] <flocculant> ochosi: anythng in particular to test there?
[12:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: and do those work with indicator-sound
[12:16] <bluesabre> flocculant: looks like audacity doesn't support MPRIS playlists
[18:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: no idea tbh - never used it
[18:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: also audacious and audacity - while slightly confusing namewise - are different things :p
[18:20] <flocculant> https://i.imgur.com/yXudAnn.png apparently it's on here
[18:21] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you want me to do so - I can install and check as many different music players that I can find
[18:53] <tacocat> is anyone able/willing to push https://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/vcswatch?package=lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings to debian? my usual sponsor has been inactive lately
[19:34] <ochosi> flocculant: mostly whether the state of the panel icon is always correct
[19:39] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - added the panel thing - will see what happens (was correct when added - assuming it lists all that's been logged until I cleared the log)
[19:40] <ochosi> yes
[19:40] <ochosi> plus the icon changes if new/unread notifications come about
[19:41] <flocculant> ok - will see what goes on, currently I am logging blocked apps
[19:41] <flocculant> yea - assumed that to be the case
[19:41] <flocculant> ok - will see what goes on, currently I am logging blocked apps - always
[19:46] <ochosi> okeydokey
[22:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: woops, meant audacious
[23:13] <Unit193> flocculant: I'm presuming you aren't around, right?
[23:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Want to pretend to be floc a minute?
[23:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm sure I can be flocculant...
[23:16] <bluesabre> the bugs are bad and everywhere
[23:17] <bluesabre> when are they getting fixed?
[23:17] <bluesabre> ...
[23:17] <bluesabre> forums
[23:17] <bluesabre> :D
[23:17] <bluesabre> (I'm sorry flocculant)
[23:18] <Unit193> I saw he was a mod on discourse. 0_o
[23:20] <Unit193> bluesabre: You've been linked.


[03:32] <lotuspsychje> juergh: tnx for the tip, i created bug #2018128
[03:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-kernel- Bug 2018128 in apport (Ubuntu) "Apport does not collect all logs when the package is HWE kernel" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2018128


[00:37] <SpamapS> wookienz: sure, whats up?
[04:43] <wookienz> sorry busy with hobby #2. I am trying to write an upstart job for pyload. The /init.d/ script works fine, but not he /init/ one im writing. ill paste bin what i have. Need heklp trouble shooting why it isnt working
[04:43] <wookienz> SpamapS,
[04:44] <wookienz> http://pastebin.com/iv6kwVr3
[14:45] <SpamapS> wookienz: ok, problem #1 is that there is no space between runlevel and [2345] ... that means "an event named runlevel[2345]" which is an event that will never be emitted. :)
[14:48] <SpamapS> wookienz: also if the '--daemon' argument is meant for pyLoadCore, that is probably going to require you to specify 'expect fork' or 'expect daemon'. You can verify which one by running 'strace -e trace=process -f ...' with ... being the command line. If you see one new process, that is 'expect fork', and if you see two, that is 'expect daemon'.
[22:52] <wookienz> SpamapS, legend. thanks.
[23:27] <wookienz> from all the gobble-d-gook, i wonder if it is two or one!


[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy Authors' Day! :-D
[13:42] <grammoboy> how do you get your music in ubuntu store?
[14:31] <davmor2> grammoboy: We are not the content owners 7digital is so you would need to get it in there initially as I understand it
[14:31] <grammoboy> I see


[15:59] <caribou> I would need someone to sponsor LP: #1346703 for an SRU to Trusty
[15:59] <caribou> it has now made it to Utopic
[16:03] <bigjools> roaksoax: ^ ?


[08:02] <Knight_Wrk> hey everyone
[08:46] <zmoylan-pi> hey
[09:06] <Knight_Wrk> he zmoylan-pi
[15:35] <mycha> y
[16:53] <brobostigon> evening boys and girls.
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> salutations mammals o/
[17:01] <daftykins> 'ey up
[17:02] <DJones> annihilator: How do
[17:03] <DJones> How do
[17:06] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: and what about us birds?
[17:07] <zmoylan-pi> a nod of respect to any ex dinosaurs haunting the channel...
[17:15] <DJones> Define dinosaurs? Growingup with a ZX80 and Commodore 64 probably makes me a dinosaur :)
[17:16] <zmoylan-pi> i was more leaning towards all modern birds been descendents of dinosaurs... but 8-bit fans are included too...
[17:17]  * penguin42 probably counts as both
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> dinosaur²
[17:37]  * brobostigon wrote a dinosaur into his D&D game, as the final boss monster, hopefully it wont kill everyone, hehe, :D
[17:37] <penguin42> that depends how hungry it is
[17:38] <brobostigon> exactly, :D
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> make it a vegetarian dinosaur... but a very stompy one... :-)
[17:38] <brobostigon> thats boring, :(
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> or a stegasaurus so someone can be thagamized... :-)
[17:39] <brobostigon> :)
[17:40] <brobostigon> 2d6 claw damage, 2d4 bite damage.
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> 1d8 halitosis... 1d20 tail... :-)
[17:41] <brobostigon> :)
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> that'll teach some smart arse for trying to flank the dinosaur from behind... :-)
[17:45] <brobostigon> hehe, :)
[17:46] <DJones> flanking a dinosiur from behind, eeew, I'll wait for it to break wind
[17:46] <brobostigon> they are on a planet called abydos, in the mountains outside a village called blerontin, :)
[18:45] <penguin42> hmm odd
[18:46] <penguin42> I've got a form to return and it's got a postal address on the form and I've got a prepaid that envelope that's the same except for the last few digits of postcode
[18:48] <daftykins> must've typo'd it, in the past i've confirmed addresses with the post office
[18:50] <penguin42> I suspect it might be multiple divisions of the same company in the same building and they got themselves unique postal codes
[18:50] <daftykins> :D


[21:15] <enyc> ** topic needs updating?  or dev version just isn't 24.04 yet ?
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> enyc: 24.04 isn't open for development, therefore daily images aren't spinning, so 24.04 which doesn't even have a codename yet, doesn't exist. So, can't update the topic until then.
[21:22] <enyc> ok =)
[21:23] <enyc> somewhere there was some page once explainnig when/how fork from debian / deltas applied / etc
[21:23] <enyc> when in cycle etc
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> Debian is not Ubuntu.
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> Different ways of doing releases.
[21:23] <enyc> Eickmeyer: indeed but ubuntu sync with debian changes as part of the 'new release generation' aiui
[21:24] <enyc> take upstream new pkgs, apply ubuntu deltas updated/merged, .......
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Yes, but different ways of doing releases. For instance, Ubuntu doesn't have an "unstable" or "experimental" branch.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Applying Ubuntu deltas is a manual process, actually.
[21:24] <enyc> Eickmeyer: indeed not, but do you know what the name of page is where the cycle/approx timing / etc is documented?
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> One that I don't enjoy.
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> The cycle opening is always a matter of "when" and varies.
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> enyc: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/n-n-release-schedule/35649, but is subject to change. You'll notice no actual "opening date". That goal is today, but is not guaranteed.
[21:27] <Eickmeyer> As you know, this past release had a few setbacks.
[23:16] <enyc> Eickmeyer: actualyl, I did not know.
[23:20] <Eickmeyer> enyc: Release had to be pulled due to vandalism of the Ukranian translation of the installer application. Only the installer was affected and it was fixed and re-released Monday.
[23:31] <enyc> aah i didn't know that pulled entire release, I guess now i think about it all languages on single image etc... so that figures.
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Only Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Budgie were affected. All other flavors released on time.