[00:09] <ali1234> what's the deal with this guy driving his 4x4 up snowdon?
[00:11] <ali1234> i mean why leave it up there
[00:11] <ali1234> why not just drive it back down before anyone even notices
[00:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Get Your App In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/29/get-your-app-in-ubuntu/
[00:18] <ball> He left a quad up there?
[00:18] <ball> ...or a landrover?
[00:19]  * ball isn't sure what a 4x4 is
[00:20] <ali1234> a landrover yes
[00:20] <ali1234> but not a landrover, a different one
[02:05] <Adriannom> lo
[02:11] <Adriannom> just upgraded to natty.  problems.  apt-get-install nfs-common returns "Errors were encountered while processing:nfs-common".
[02:12] <Adriannom> *reinstalled with natty
[02:12] <Adriannom> bizarrely, just before the error it takes me to ctrl-alt-f1 where there's a screen of errors
[02:12] <Adriannom> not had that happen before, is that new? :s
[02:13] <Adriannom> i thought it was a kernel panic at first
[02:13] <Adriannom> ah yeah, probably the wrong time to ask questions in a uk channel :|
[02:54] <Adriannom> i'm beginning to think that natty isn't so much of an upgrade, more a test of endurance
[06:59] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:00] <MartijnVdS> morning AlanBell
[07:04] <AlanBell> Pendulum: happy birthday
[07:04]  * AlanBell looks forward to an evening of curry
[07:11]  * AlanBell wants an SSD in this laptop
[07:14] <diplo> Morning
[07:16] <daubers> Morning
[07:31] <popey> Morning all!
[07:31] <daubers> o/
[07:31] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:31] <daubers> Last day of work for 2 weeks today \o/
[07:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all - A lovely Friday morning only shattered by Mrs TheOpenSourcerer screaming at the kids for 20mins ;-)
[08:10]  * daubers converts all of his OU guides pdf's to mp3's using espeak
[08:16] <oimon> developer.ubuntu.com "Ubuntu is the third most popular operating system in the world." - really?
[08:17] <popey> they dont reveal who they asked :D
[08:17] <popey> ask me, go on.
[08:17] <oimon> does android count
[08:17] <popey> "most popular" is very wooly
[08:17] <oimon> maybe most popular desktop OS
[08:17] <oimon> 3rd
[08:18] <popey> i think you're thinking numbers of installs?
[08:18] <oimon> yep
[08:18] <popey> it doesnt say that ☺
[08:18] <oimon> it doesn't say anything :)
[08:18] <popey> well indeed
[08:18] <oimon> :-\
[08:32] <Laney> that site also barely mentions free software
[08:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeoples :)
[08:40] <popey> wheeeeee
[08:40] <bigcalm> popey: fun, isn't it?
[08:49] <danfish> I never know when there's a netsplit - turned off a load of stuff in irssi and can't remember how to selectively re-enable
[08:51] <popey> you have stuff on ignore?
[08:51] <popey> type /ignore to see what you're ignoring
[08:52] <popey> then /unignore N (where N is the number next to the thing you're ignoring)
[08:52] <oimon> danfish: i enabled a load of pidgin extras that turn off joins too
[08:54] <bigcalm> Aww, the mono font hasn't come though update manager yet
[08:55] <gord> danfish, irssi has a setting to hide netsplits, hide_netsplit_quits
[08:56] <popey> handy
[08:57] <gord> i used to use it back in the irssi days
[08:57] <gord> good stuff
[08:59] <Daviey> "back in the day"
[08:59] <danfish> gord: tx
[08:59] <Daviey> when i were a lad, these here ircd's were all forest.
[09:00] <selinuxium> Morning Daviey  o/
[09:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:00] <selinuxium> Hi all o/
[09:00] <selinuxium> hi czajkowski :) #
[09:00] <czajkowski> hows everyone?
[09:03] <Daviey> hey selinuxium
[09:05] <selinuxium> Daviey, You still got the thumb drive of mine? lol  (seriously, no issues fella)
[09:08] <Daviey> Hmm.
[09:09] <Daviey> It did go into an envelope.
[09:09] <Daviey> erk.
[09:09] <bigcalm> Out of context is amusing
[09:10] <Daviey> bigcalm: 1), that will teach you to reboot.  2) I'm not sure the context was family friendly.
[09:10] <bigcalm> Daviey: you're just making it worse now :P
[09:12] <Daviey> :)
[09:12] <Daviey> Wouldn't it be really good if Oneiric wasn't released for another month.
[09:13] <bigcalm> Well, I doubt I'll upgrade for at least a month. Hopefully with similar results
[09:14] <bigcalm> Or did you just want an 11.11.11 release date?
[09:14] <czajkowski> ohhh 11.11.11
[09:14] <czajkowski> and  12.12.12
[09:14] <czajkowski> seeing as we got 10.10.10
[09:14] <czajkowski> should have changed all the releses to that
[09:15] <bigcalm> Might make for better pr
[09:15] <czajkowski> hindsight is a great thing
[09:15] <bigcalm> If it were to release on 11.11.11, don't do it at 11am :(
[09:15] <Daviey> czajkowski: nah, it messes with the cycle length too much
[09:16] <popey> i dont think 11.11.11 is wise
[09:16] <popey> isnt that armistice day?
[09:16] <bigcalm> Yes
[09:16] <bigcalm> Hence 11am
[09:16] <Daviey> ofc' PR is more importiant than having enough time to get stuff done.
[09:16] <popey> you worry too much
[09:16] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:16] <Daviey> 329 upgraded, 36 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[09:16] <Daviey> Need to get 379 MB of archives.
[09:16] <popey> yeah, its been quite intense this cycle
[09:16] <popey> love it
[09:16] <Daviey> Glad to see we are stablisng.
[09:18] <czajkowski> armistice day
[09:18] <czajkowski> *googles*
[09:18] <bigcalm> Really?
[09:18] <bigcalm> My goodness
[09:18] <Daviey> czajkowski: You are kidding, right?
[09:19] <bigcalm> A min silence at 11am on 11th November each year
[09:19] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:19] <bigcalm> Hi brobostigon
[09:19] <gord> unity has 84 bugs fix released yesterday :)
[09:19] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:19] <czajkowski> Daviey: nope sure how would I know that
[09:19] <Daviey> gord: I know, i tried to review the mess of a diff. I gave up.
[09:20]  * Daviey wonders what they teach kids at school these days.
[09:20] <bigcalm> Eire were not involved in the great war, so no need to mark the end of it I guess
[09:21] <Daviey> Oh rly.
[09:21] <bigcalm> They weren't in ww2. I need to check on ww1
[09:21] <brobostigon> wow, it is 19c already, :(
[09:21] <Daviey> bigcalm: only 200K were involved, not that many i guess.
[09:22] <czajkowski> Daviey: you know what april 24th means to the irish eh ?
[09:22] <Daviey> :/
[09:22] <Daviey> czajkowski: yes
[09:22] <gord> brobostigon, last bit of warm of the year i think, enjoy it whilst it lasts :)
[09:22] <gord> czajkowski, ireland celebrates the sixth day after gords birthday? weird holiday
[09:22] <brobostigon> gord: i hope so. i dont enjoy it, because the heat messes with my eczema.
[09:23] <bigcalm> Daviey: http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/worldwar1/a/ww1countriesalp.htm
[09:24] <czajkowski> Daviey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_of_the_Irish_Republic
[09:24] <brobostigon> !info libgweather-common
[09:25] <Daviey> bigcalm: and a bunch of those countries no longer exist, does that mean the residents of the area were not involved?
[09:26]  * bigcalm shrugs
[09:26] <bigcalm> Daviey: I was just being specific about Eire
[09:28] <Daviey> ah, ok :)
[09:30] <bigcalm> Eire was also not in ww2 but NI was. There were [Eire] markers along the coast line to stop air invasion. But there were also numbers in each marker that the Allies knew about so they knew were they were along the coast.
[09:31] <bigcalm> The things you learn from Coast :)
[09:32] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Hayley is really getting into planning for her 40th b'day in Ireland. Would you recommend air or sea travel? Sea would be Holly Head to Dublin
[09:32]  * AlanBell recommends going at some time czajkowski isn't travelling
[09:33] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:33] <AlanBell> bigcalm: the fast ferry from hollyhead is quite fun, it is a giant jetboat
[09:33] <JGJones> aye it is :)
[09:34] <AlanBell> otherwise the overnight one from swansea is good
[09:34] <JGJones> but depends on where you want to go in Ireland? If just in Dublin, I'll take the ferry.
[09:34] <AlanBell> on the Julia
[09:34] <czajkowski> I wouldnt recommend going to dublin for a holiday
[09:35] <AlanBell> swansea-cork ferry, or fly to shannon
[09:35] <czajkowski> bigcalm: head to shannon or cork
[09:35] <czajkowski> and go Cork or galway
[09:35] <czajkowski> prettier and down to kerry
[09:35] <bigcalm> We will be travelling around, mostly in NI this time but starting in Eire
[09:36] <bigcalm> Looking at a driving holiday. Haven't decided if to take my car or hire one there
[09:41] <czajkowski> hmm always find it odd seeing NI and eire - it;s ireland dude :)
[09:41] <AlanBell> 4 green fields
[09:41] <jpds> It's all part of the EU, dude.
[09:41] <bigcalm> Tell that to my wallet :(
[09:48] <czajkowski> yeah same way I find it kinda offensive I guess if people ask me am I from the south
[09:48] <czajkowski> I'm from ireland
[09:48] <czajkowski> only people in NI will ever say they are from NI
[09:49] <directhex> on second thoughts, let us not go to northern ireland. it is a silly place.
[09:50] <czajkowski> I went once and never again was rather scared and didn't feel safe at all
[09:51] <AlanBell> I have been there quite a few times
[09:51] <AlanBell> some bits were odd, where they painted the kerbs red white and blue
[09:51] <czajkowski> yes but yo've an english accent
[09:52] <czajkowski> I ended up in areas for me with an irish accent was not safe or smart
[09:52] <czajkowski> didn't like it will never go up there again till we're joined as one .
[09:54] <dwatkins> I really hope things calm down there soon.
[09:54] <directhex> never happen.
[09:54] <directhex> too many people are invested in it remaining how it is
[09:55] <bigcalm> It's nice to dream
[09:55] <dwatkins> it saddens me to think of the people who have been victims of a centuries-old battle
[09:56] <directhex> dwatkins, http://images.wikia.com/babylon5/images/c/c2/DraziPurpleGreen01.jpg
[09:56]  * popey is filling the pool
[09:56] <popey> going to be a wet weekend at popey towers
[09:57] <popey> is flash broken (aside from usual) in 11.10?
[09:57] <popey> in chrome
[09:57] <czajkowski> popey:  nice for the kids
[09:57] <czajkowski> hope it stays as nice
[09:58] <bigcalm> popey: I thought you'd ditched flash?
[09:58] <Mez> pop	not for me as of yesterday's upgrade...
[09:58] <Mez> but then I'm on canary.
[09:58] <popey> I'll put the heater on so it's nice and warmy inside
[09:58] <dwatkins> directhex: indeed, Babylon 5 had many parallels to 20th century Earth
[09:58]  * popey redownloads
[09:58] <czajkowski> directhex: dwatkins I hope one day the island can be reunited as one. it should be. but wiht that comes the extra burden of health care taxes, education, and we do things very differently in ireland.
[09:59] <Mez> popey: it should have installed an apt-get source for you ... are you using chrome-stabele?
[09:59] <Mez> (and it may have broken since yesterday - lemme do an upgrade)
[09:59] <popey> 14.0.835
[09:59] <popey> but its not chrome thats broken
[09:59] <popey> its flash
[10:00] <Laney> chromium in general is broken for me, sadly
[10:00] <Mez> pop	I thought chrome had it's own flash thing built in?
[10:00] <dwatkins> broken how, popey?
[10:00] <popey> browser claims it has no flash
[10:00] <Laney> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=91962
[10:00] <czajkowski> I've to keep killing chrome on 11.10
[10:00] <czajkowski> it keeps hanging
[10:00] <popey> fixed by reinstalling flashplugin-installer
[10:00] <dwatkins> oh bah
[10:01] <davmor2> morning all
[10:01]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski
[10:01]  * davmor2 ^5's MooDoo
[10:01] <czajkowski> keeps dying as I use tweet deck so it just hangs
[10:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: run top in terminal I'd imagine that something is use all your memory or all your cpu
[10:02] <czajkowski> davmor2: nope
[10:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: onlyu thing is gwibber running at 18 even though I've not opened it as it just is not fast enough for real time tweeting of stuff as 5 min delay is just too slow
[10:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: kill it the service still runs in the background even if you have it switched off,  check the startup apps and see if anything is listed in there for gwibber or gwibber service
[10:05] <Mez> czajkowski: yeah, gwibber noms memories.
[10:05] <czajkowski> davmor2: aye
[10:05] <czajkowski> Mez: I knows
[10:05] <Mez> czajkowski: though, apparently, in oneiric, compiz n oms the most.
[10:06] <czajkowski> I get nautilis crashing
[10:06] <czajkowski> a lot
[10:07] <davmor2> Mez: 3.7 isn't that much
[10:07] <davmor2> Mez: admittedly I have 3Gb in this box
[10:13] <bigcalm> I re-install flash just to listen to some music on last.fm and it still breaks :(
[10:13] <davmor2> Mez: approximately 111Meg
[10:13] <BigRedS> bigcalm: why not just install lastfm?
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: is it a paid account?
[10:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: no
[10:14] <bigcalm> It works in windows just fine
[10:14] <bigcalm> BigRedS: don't want to pay for another music service
[10:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: install Rhythmbox and use the last.fm plugin :)
[10:14] <bigcalm> Does it really work?
[10:14]  * bigcalm plays
[10:15] <BigRedS> bigcalm: you don't need to
[10:15] <BigRedS> just apt-get install lastfm, then run lastfm and ask it for some music
[10:15] <BigRedS> I've never paid lastfm
[10:15] <bigcalm> Aha!
[10:16] <bigcalm> I tried to listen to absolute80s
[10:16] <bigcalm> And it did just the same thing
[10:16] <bigcalm> Played for a while and then died
[10:16] <bigcalm> I can blame flash and be sure of it!
[10:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: lastfm and absolute radio both in Rhythmbox by default
[10:18] <davmor2> hmmmmmmmmm rhythbox,  I remember the good old days when music just used to play
[10:18] <bigcalm> Ooo, that seems to work now. Wonderful
[10:18] <bigcalm> Thank you davmor2
[10:19]  * bigcalm uninstalls flash again :D
[10:19] <davmor2> hahaha
[10:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can go to the other extreme and treat yourself to a dab radio and get most of the radio channels you can think of, like what I did :)
[10:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: I have a DAB radio in the kitchen
[10:21] <bigcalm> I tend to leave it on 6 music
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: I leave it on absolute 80's :)
[10:21] <bigcalm> I have a fairly good sound setup in my office. Don't want to have to have another poor speaker system to add on
[10:22] <bigcalm> I tend to listen to absolute80s in my car via TuneIn Radio on my Nexus One
[10:22] <bigcalm> Great station
[10:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: there is an absolute 80's app hmmmmmm you know it makes sense :)
[10:23] <bigcalm> Why would I need another app when TuneIn works
[10:23] <bigcalm> ?
[10:23] <bigcalm> Coffee time!
[10:24] <bigcalm> 2 hours since my last mug. I'm slipping
[10:28] <bigcalm> czajkowski: you've been promoting a lot of apps recently on twitter. Are you being sponsored to do so? ;)
[10:28] <czajkowski> bigcalm: nope
[10:28]  * Mez bungs czajkowski a fiver
[10:29] <czajkowski> I tweets stuff either A) I use or b) interesting
[10:29] <Pendulum> AlanBell: thank you!
[10:29] <czajkowski> I tweet redhat and ubuntu stuff, depends on what I like
[10:29] <davmor2> bigcalm: I went straight for the official app so never had tunein
[10:29] <AlanBell> Pendulum: is there cake with candles?
[10:29] <bigcalm> Ah
[10:29] <bigcalm> TuneIn gives you all of the DAB stations and then some I think
[10:30] <bigcalm> I'm not too sure as I've not used it for anything other than 6 music and Absolute80s ;)
[10:32] <shauno> I use tunein to listen to the world service.  that's my dirty little secret.
[10:34] <Pendulum> AlanBell: there will be! and a fancy dinner out
[10:59] <bigcalm> Yikes 12pm
[11:09] <oimon> what's that program to install lots of applications on windows at once? sounds like nitin ?
[11:10] <gord> anything advertised as free, will come with eight different spywares and toolbars ;)
[11:12]  * czajkowski waves a packet of jammy dodgers in front of gord  :p
[11:13] <bigcalm> oimon: http://ninite.com/
[11:13] <oimon> \o/ thanks bigcalm
[11:13]  * davmor2 nicks off with czajkowski dodger of jam
[11:13] <bigcalm> Or you could download the Open Disc :)
[11:13] <oimon> installing a win xp box/ubuntu dual boot for my bro
[11:14] <oimon> just want a quick way to install some stuff
[11:14] <gord> czajkowski, have a packet of digestives sitting on my desk :P
[11:15] <zleap> nice
[11:15] <czajkowski> gord: got a cuppa tea to dunk em in
[11:16] <gord> czajkowski, yup
[11:16] <gord> although out of tea now.. will need to go shopping
[11:17] <davmor2> czajkowski, gord: I trump your biscuits with the best bottle of dandelion and burdock in the world oh and liquorice allsorts
[11:19] <oimon> even cheapo d&b is still nice
[11:19] <oimon> but i do like that fentimans stuff
[11:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: man is no channel I'm on out there safe from you?
[11:21] <oimon> wow that ninite thing just saved me 1/2 hour
[11:22] <oimon> although not nearly as good as apt-get
[11:22] <davmor2> oimon: Tis Fentimans that I have
[11:24] <oimon> just noticed this: http://www.ulule.com/debian-handbook/?utm_campaign=project_1973&utm_source=ohso&utm_medium=widget1
[11:24] <czajkowski> davmor2: I left the last channel
[11:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: linaro now though ;)
[11:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't suppose it helps that I'm on most channels the same as you :P
[11:25] <czajkowski> davmor2: been there for a long time
[11:30] <directhex> czajkowski, you're welcome to 'em. nobody outside NI cares about NI being part of the union. the people from NI might object to my analysis though
[11:36] <shauno> heh, I'm not touching that one ;)
[11:44]  * daubers does the happy dance
[11:46] <dogmatic69> if files are chown'ed www-data:www-data, how can i make the user 'ubuntu' able to edit/delete them
[11:47] <dogmatic69> without using sudo
[11:47] <daubers> dogmatic69: Add the user ubuntu to the "www-data" group
[11:47] <dogmatic69> im trying to do that
[11:47] <dogmatic69> useradd -G www-data ubuntu
[11:48] <dogmatic69> right?
[11:48] <daubers> You'll also need to check that the files are group read/write
[11:48] <daubers> dogmatic69: You'll need to restart any terminal sessions for that change to take effect
[11:48] <dogmatic69> its www-data:www-data in ls -al
[11:48] <dogmatic69> ah
[11:48] <daubers> dogmatic69: The rwx part is more important for the second bit
[11:49] <dogmatic69> its all drwxr-xr-x
[11:49] <daubers> Yeah, so group members don't have write permissions
[11:49] <AlanBell> chmod g+w
[11:49] <dogmatic69> nice, thanks
[11:50] <dogmatic69> now drwxrwxr-x 10 www-data www-data
[11:50] <dogmatic69> still cant :/
[11:51] <dogmatic69> ubuntu user is not in www-data
[11:51] <daubers> dogmatic69: Have you restarted the terminal session since adding yourself to the group?
[11:51] <dogmatic69> groups
[11:51] <dogmatic69> ubuntu adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev admin
[11:51] <dogmatic69> yep
[11:51] <dogmatic69> i exit'ed and ssh'ed back in
[11:51] <monster__> I just pwned a linux/unix session
[11:51] <monster__> awesome
[11:52] <dogmatic69> this is what im getting
[11:52] <dogmatic69> useradd -G www-data ubuntu
[11:52] <dogmatic69> useradd: user 'ubuntu' already exists
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> adduser ubuntu www-data
[11:52] <daubers> dogmatic69: Can you pastebin the contents of /etc/groups please?
[11:53] <dogmatic69> daubers: no such file
[11:53] <daubers> /etc/group even
[11:53] <daubers> sorry
[11:53] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: i think that was the one :)
[11:54] <dogmatic69> yep, thanks MartijnVdS (again) :D
[11:54] <daubers> dogmatic69: If yuo do "grep www-admin /etc/group" you can see who's in the group
[11:55] <shauno> (www-data)
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> Remember: you have to log out and back in for group changes to take effect
[11:55] <daubers> shauno: Yeah... that :)
[12:34] <Hippychick> wahoo, put popey into my google+ now i have somthing interesting to read in there :)
[12:36] <shauno> I added a few hundred photographers, and it's now my constantly streaming distraction from work :)
[12:36]  * daubers has cleaned out all his SD cards ready for holidaying!
[12:37] <shauno> that's right, you're a free man for a couple of weeks ain't ya?  where you got planned?
[13:07] <Laney> PHWOAR EET EEZ WELL 'OT
[13:13] <czajkowski> http://www.bcs.org/content/ConWebDoc/41634  pass it onto any women you may know who might be interested in attending
[13:14] <aptanet> does anyone know why ufw doesn't work properly from cron?
[13:19] <popey> iphone mounting broken again in 11.10 with ios5 beta ☹
[13:24] <daubers> popey: Using a beta with a beta and it's broken?
[13:24] <MartijnVdS> And that's why you use Android phones
[13:24] <daubers> shauno: Off to egypt on sunday \o/
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> daubers: you're HazRPG?! :)
[13:25] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Hmmmm?
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> daubers: he's from there
[13:26] <daubers> Ah, ok.
[13:29] <aptanet> aha, I need something other than just the path to ufw itself, time to narrow things down
[13:45] <gord>  neat -_-
[13:46] <gord> aww doesn't look so good in xchat
[13:46] <bigcalm> Doesn't look at all in xchat
[13:46] <gord> you need to be on an up to date 11.10 :P
[13:46] <bigcalm> Or irssi :S
[13:46] <bigcalm> Why would I want to do that? :P
[13:47] <bigcalm> Might upgrade in November or December
[13:47] <davmor2> gord: oh mono font
[13:47] <bigcalm> _might_ upgrade my laptop in October
[13:47] <bigcalm> Oh, yeah. I downloaded the mono font on my laptop. Doesn't seem to have made it to 10.10 or 11.04 though
[13:48] <gord> its a great font to code in
[13:48] <gord> going back to non ubuntu fonts to code in just feels wrong
[13:48] <AlanBell> I have been using it for ages, I like it
[13:48] <bigcalm> I've change the system font on the laptop to be it. It is indeed great
[13:48] <davmor2> gord: hahaha
[13:49] <davmor2> AlanBell: I was till it disappeared out of the ppa when it got added to the font family package
[13:49] <gord> yeah been using it for at least a year, feels like forever ago, surprised it took this long
[13:50] <Laney> x→y ☺unneat
[13:50] <Laney> :P
[13:50] <davmor2> gord: indeed but lets be fair it had to be right, all the devs will be using it most of the day
[13:50] <gord> i can't tell the difference between now and when i first got it :P
[13:52] <davmor2> gord: lots of really minor subtle tweaks and usage to make sure it was right before release
[13:53] <bigcalm> There we go. Monospace installed for use in Eclipse
[13:53] <bigcalm> Ubuntu monospace is a lot smaller than monospace
[13:53] <bigcalm> How odd
[13:54] <gord> yeah fonts are weird, whack it up a bit
[13:54] <czajkowski> hmm
[13:55] <czajkowski> how many women in the Ubuntu UK team actually in the UK ?
[13:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ^^
[13:55] <AlanBell> totally depends on how you count who is in the team
[13:56] <czajkowski> hmmm
[13:56] <czajkowski> true
[13:57] <czajkowski> you could say the same for people who joined the team, yet no longer live in the UK.
[13:57] <AlanBell> there are about a thousand people in the mailing list and launchpad, no idea where most of them are or their genders
[13:58] <AlanBell> oggcamp attendees are probably a fairly representative selection
[13:59] <bigcalm> Wow
[13:59] <Myrtti> and on the definition of living in uk
[13:59] <AlanBell> yes indeed Myrtti :)
[13:59] <bigcalm> Myrtti: join us!
[13:59] <oimon> there were lots of women at oggcamp
[14:00] <bigcalm> My Hayley wanted to come along, I didn't even have to ask her. But she doesn't have any interest in Ubuntu. Swings and roundabouts :)
[14:00] <Myrtti> bigcalm: eventually... I do consider being more active in the uk loco than fi one
[14:00] <czajkowski> yeah I guess just hard to judge is all
[14:00] <czajkowski> Myrtti: you are too
[14:01] <czajkowski> just be nice to get a rough idea of women in UK loco
[14:01] <czajkowski> some of the women at oggcamp aren't in Ubuntu either
[14:01] <Myrtti> indeed
[14:01] <czajkowski> so while it was a great turn out
[14:01] <bigcalm> I have to say that the lower case i looks a little odd in monospace
[14:01] <czajkowski> doesn't actually give us an idea
[14:02] <AlanBell> czajkowski: some of the men too had not much to do with ubuntu
[14:02] <Myrtti> census
[14:02] <AlanBell> czajkowski: so how would you count marianna?
[14:02] <Myrtti> I suggested one for Meego in the spring
[14:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye as it was oggcamp some were LO
[14:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: marianna, I consider her Ubuntu but I don't think she's in the UK team
[14:04] <Myrtti> just to get a ballpark idea of the users
[14:04] <czajkowski> not sure how many of millbank are on the team or the list tbh. I know some area
[14:04] <czajkowski> Myrtti: exactly
[14:04] <bigcalm> popey: how do LO and UUPC listening figures compare?
[14:04] <czajkowski> rather than feeling like the only one always turning up :/ be kinda nice to know there are more over here
[14:04] <AlanBell> turning up is a whole other issue
[14:05] <czajkowski> http://pix.ie/czajkowski/1319568/size/720 4 aint so bad
[14:18] <oimon> anyone tried the ubuntuone for windows?
[14:20] <gord> worked okay last time i tried, but that was before the latest cool stuff
[14:25] <davmor2> gord: why won't the app launcher appear over a fullscreen Firefox?
[14:27] <ali1234> because it is incredibly buggy
[14:28] <gord> davmor2, not sure :) but i would expect its because its got the fullscreen hint, would be rather annoying if your in a game for example and every time you try and click something on the left, the launcher came out
[14:30] <ali1234> that actually happens
[14:30] <ali1234> except you can't see it
[14:30] <ali1234> but it still steals clicks from the game
[15:10] <oimon> if i'm setting up ubuntu for a family of 5, what's the recommended way to setup 5 accounts but keep the non-default settings i've set up on the first account? do a cp -r /home/user1 /home/user2 etc?
[15:11] <oimon> talking bout gnome settings on lucid
[15:12] <Hippychick> popey, i envy you having a pool!!!
[15:12] <ali1234> oimon: there was a question about that on ask ubuntu
[15:12] <Azelphur> Hippychick: I have a huge pool :D
[15:12] <oimon> ali1234: good idea :)
[15:12] <davmor2> Hippychick: You should put a space in between l's and ! that looked so inappropriate for a minute :)
[15:12]  * Azelphur lives a couple blocks away from the sea
[15:13] <Hippychick> oops
[15:13] <oimon> although people who just say /etc/skel aren't answering the question fully
[15:13] <Hippychick> i dont have a pool :(
[15:14] <Hippychick> though im hoping oly will let me go to the beach tomorrow
[15:14] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/62927/how-do-i-set-the-default-icon-set-and-wallpaper-for-new-users
[15:18] <oimon> ali1234: i'm gonna try just copying .gconf for the new users
[15:20] <Myrtti> czajkowski: d'oh, of course I'll be flying to UK on Saturday :-<
[15:20] <Myrtti> (re: email)
[15:50] <oimon> :( installing windows and ubuntu side by side caused the lucid installer to resize the windows data partition without asking
[15:50] <hamitron> you didn't do manual?
[15:51] <oimon> i did the option that suggested side-by-side
[15:51] <hamitron> :/
[15:51] <oimon> obviously the wrong option :(
[15:51] <oimon> i had left a 20gb partition for the ubunt
[15:52] <hamitron> I've always done manual, so interesting to hear what happens
[15:52] <hamitron> :)
[15:52] <hamitron> I'm kind of picky how things are done
[15:52] <oimon> yeah,
[15:52] <Myrtti> aww, the good old Facebook Like-jacking...
[15:53] <oimon> since it was a new install, i fogured this was the best time to best it
[15:53] <oimon> /best/test
[15:54] <hamitron> you gonna move the install to the partition you want now?
[15:54] <hamitron> manually :D
[15:54] <oimon> it's a nightmare
[15:54] <oimon> i don't have time for this crap
[15:54] <oimon> xp install already wasted most of the time
[16:06] <zleap> hi
[16:06] <joni> Hi there
[16:25] <bigcalm> This isn't good
[16:26] <popey> ?
[16:26] <bigcalm> In the Ubuntu monospace font, space is tiny and not the same as a character
[16:26] <BigRedS> that's not very monospace
[16:26] <bigcalm> Humm
[16:26] <bigcalm> I have a feeling my system isn't correct
[16:27] <bigcalm> Things aren't feeling very mono at all
[16:27] <bigcalm> Console is ok, it's Eclipse
[16:27] <bigcalm> Doh
[16:27] <sladen> bigcalm: has the 'm' got a shorter (raised) stem in the middle?
[16:27] <BigRedS> Oh. Well you should be using vi then :)
[16:28] <bigcalm> sladen: no :(
[16:28]  * bigcalm kicks something
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> oi, that's my PC!
[16:29] <bigcalm> Soz :D
[16:29] <kirrus> bigcalm: don't you mean vim?
[16:29] <bigcalm> You tell Eclipse to use the system font. Instead it uses Ubuntu
[16:30] <bigcalm> That's better
[16:30] <bigcalm> *shakes fist at Eclipse*
[16:38] <czajkowski> bigcalm: whinge at Daviey everyone else does
[16:51] <bigcalm> czajkowski: that's his use, yes?
[17:08] <gord> aww berlios.de is shutting down, sadface http://www.berlios.de/
[17:15] <bigcalm> Goodness
[17:43] <zleap> hi
[17:44] <popey> HULLO!
[17:47] <zleap> how are you /
[17:47] <zleap> ?>
[17:47] <zleap> just got a new printer and trying to get it to work with ubuntu
[18:03] <ali1234> according to google my gmail is 2.7GB
[18:04] <ali1234> so why is thunderbird using 9GB of disk space for the mail db?
[18:05] <KrimZon> does thunderbird store the same email with different tags as separate emails in separate folders?
[18:05] <bigcalm> Attachments as blobs?
[18:06] <jacobw> KrimZon: i really hope not
[18:07] <ali1234> also i installed gnome-shell on oneiric and now lightdm segfaults
[18:09] <zleap>  think i messed cups up again as it insists i install a lpr driver before i try and install cups
[18:09] <zleap> then theprinter install program says it can't fid a driver
[18:13] <zleap> Printer 'Brother-MFC-J615W' requires the 'brlpdwrappermfcj615w' program but it is not currently installed.  Please install it before using this printer
[18:13] <zleap> but I installed it
[18:15] <brobostigon> ali1234: the issue might be, that here, gnome-shell/gnome3 required gdm3. i should try lightdm, and see. but that maybe why.
[18:16] <ali1234> also unity no longer works
[18:16] <ali1234> apparently i no longer have opengl support
[18:16] <zleap> how do i view stored passwords in firefox ?
[18:16] <brobostigon> ali1234: that would explain why gnome-shell wouldnt start.
[18:16] <ali1234> gnome shell seems to work
[18:17] <jacobw> why does gnome-shell require gdm3?
[18:17] <ali1234> only unity and lightdm are now broken
[18:17] <brobostigon> jacobw: here in debian sid/unstable, it installed both togather.
[18:18] <ali1234> hmm this is exactly as retarded as i thought it would be
[18:21] <bigcalm> zleap: Edit -> Preferences -> Security -> Saved Passwords...
[18:21] <zleap> thanks
[18:22] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[18:22] <brobostigon> ali1234: elaborate please.
[18:23] <zleap> ok i need to get the printer working now
[18:23] <ali1234> brobostigon: gnome-shell combines the usability nightmare that is unity with the slapdash visual design of kde
[18:23] <zleap> why is it saying i need to install the lpr driver for cups
[18:24] <bigcalm> !lpr
[18:25] <bigcalm> lpr is the system command used to push printing jobs to the queue
[18:25] <bigcalm> CUPS makes use of it
[18:25] <ali1234> it has the exact same nothing is ever in the same place twice" problem that unity expose has
[18:25] <brobostigon> ali1234: unity has some interesting hid ideas, but not functionally fitty for my mind, kde just plain doesnt work, at all, in any way. gnome-shell is simply, logical. like gnome2, but evolved.
[18:25] <ali1234> there is nothing logical about this
[18:26] <ali1234> if it were logical, there would be a consistent way to switch to a specific window that was always the same
[18:26] <zleap> so i have installed the lpr part of the driver from the brother site and installed the cups wrapper and now its saying there is a problem and suggess thats usually caused by missing dependancies,  i can't even run synaptic
[18:26] <brobostigon> ali1234: the new alt-tab is miles better, sorting by workspacem then by app, then their windows. makes miles more sense.
[18:26] <ali1234> alt-tab is a terrible design metaphore and it needs to die
[18:26] <ali1234> "oh yeah just find your window in this list of every window on the system"
[18:26] <zleap> super tab is good too
[18:26] <brobostigon> ali1234: i like it,
[18:27] <ali1234> the list is never in the same order so you can't go to the approximate place where your window is
[18:27] <ali1234> you just have to go through every window, one at a time
[18:27] <ali1234> this is a horrible way to manage windows
[18:27] <brobostigon> ali1234: as i said, it is always sorted in a specific way, by workspace first.
[18:28] <ali1234> expose is exactly the same, except instead of going through them one at a time, it just puts them all on the screen at the same time
[18:28] <ali1234> once again, in a different arrangement every single time
[18:28] <brobostigon> ali1234: like now for example. i have gnome-terminal open in workspace 1, and chromium open in the second. so gnome-terminal come first, and the  chromium.
[18:29] <ali1234> i need a button for "give me the terminal window on the current workspace, or if there isn't one on the current workspace, make one"
[18:29] <ali1234> opening 1 window on each workspace is pointless
[18:29] <ali1234> all you've done is reimplement windows as workspaces
[18:30] <ali1234> you might as well only have 1 workspace
[18:30] <ali1234> the reason to use workspaces is so you can have a set of windows all on the screen at once
[18:30] <ali1234> neither unity nor gnome shell understands this
[18:30] <ali1234> kde does, but of course they take it too far the other way, with kde sessions and activities
[18:30] <brobostigon> ali1234: i could have both open in the same workspace, and it would do the same thing, it would order thewm, as i open them.
[18:31] <ali1234> but what it wouldn't do is offer you a convenient way to switch between windows on the current workspace
[18:31] <brobostigon> alt-tab or superkey.
[18:31] <ali1234> no
[18:32] <brobostigon> yes.
[18:32] <ali1234> neither of those is convenient
[18:32] <ali1234> one gives you a list of every single window
[18:32] <ali1234> the other takes you to this crazy dashboard where you can move windows between workspaces
[18:32] <brobostigon> and yhe other a visual view of those windows. yes.
[18:32] <ali1234> unfortunately the visual view is just a 1" square version of the workspace
[18:33] <ali1234> the same thing you'd see if you were just on the workspace normally
[18:33] <ali1234> and in the middle you have the same old list of "every window every"
[18:33] <brobostigon> here. that takes up most of my screen. and i have gnome 3.2.0 here.
[18:34] <ali1234> almost everything is too small here
[18:35] <zleap> ok should i unstall both the lpr and cups driver and start over
[18:35] <brobostigon> i am on my eeepc, and certain apps have some scaling issues, like evolution, othehrwise, it works wells.
[18:35] <ali1234> even if you have two fullscreen windows the thumbnails are tiny
[18:36] <ali1234> there is absolutely no way you will be able to distiguish between two terminal windows using this system
[18:36] <ali1234> at least with unity the thumbnails are bigger if you only have a couple
[18:36] <brobostigon> ali1234: they will automatiaclly scale, to fit the space.
[18:36] <zleap> or copy the ppd file somewhere and then start over and point the printer install program at that
[18:36] <ali1234> no, they won't
[18:36] <brobostigon> ali1234: they do here.
[18:36] <ali1234> they will automatically scale to fit a grid
[18:37] <brobostigon> ali1234: well, with the over a year, i have used gnome-shell now, they have always scaled, depending on the windows you have open, within the activities menu.
[18:39] <ali1234> it;s very simple
[18:40] <ali1234> all i want is the ability to have two windows on a workspace
[18:40] <ali1234> and have a simple way to go to "the other one" that is always the same, and always works
[18:41] <brobostigon> i see those conditions as solved.
[18:41] <ali1234> me too
[18:41] <brobostigon> gnome-shell does it.
[18:41] <ali1234> it was solved in '95
[18:41] <zleap> why is csh lacking stuff like tab complete and history
[18:41] <ali1234> then apple came along and invented the dock, making it impossible
[18:42] <ali1234> brobostigon: which button do i press to switch between the two windows on the screen?
[18:42] <ali1234> it should be possible to do this without looking at the screen to make sure you did it right
[18:42] <brobostigon> ali1234: alt + tab.
[18:42] <ali1234> no, that does not work
[18:43] <brobostigon> it dpoes.
[18:43] <ali1234> if you press alt+tab and then do nothing else, nothing happens at all
[18:43] <ali1234> the alt-tab control briefly appears and then disappears
[18:43] <brobostigon> you only have two windows, so hitting it once, will send you to the other window, it has no other option.
[18:43] <ali1234> current window does not change
[18:43] <ali1234> no, it doesn't do that
[18:43] <ali1234> if you press alt tab when you have two windows open, it just shows one icon. then when you release alt, nothing happens
[18:44] <brobostigon> ali1234: i have two windows now on the same worspace. and i hit alt-tab, and it goes to chromium, i hit it again, and it goes back to gnome-terminal, so what i am experiencing here, disagress,
[18:44] <ali1234> great
[18:44] <ali1234> open two gnome-terminal windows and try it again
[18:45] <brobostigon> ali1234: it shows both icons here, for gnome-terminal and chromium, within alt-tab.
[18:45] <ali1234> or two chromium
[18:45] <ali1234> or two anything
[18:45] <brobostigon> ali1234: done it, two windows, within the same app,s show as seperate windows, undernath the app choice in alt-tab.
[18:46] <brobostigon> anyways, i need food, so bbl.
[18:47] <ali1234> in order to actually do this switch in gnome-shell 3.2 you have to do this:
[18:47] <ali1234> press alt+tab
[18:47] <ali1234> hold down alt while peering at the tiny thumbnails
[18:47] <ali1234> try to figure out which one is the one you want
[18:47] <ali1234> move to select that one with the arrow keys
[18:47] <ali1234> release alt
[18:48] <ali1234> if you just press and release alt-tab, nothing happens and you stay on the current app
[18:53] <zleap> why can't printer drivers be easy to install
[18:53] <ali1234> in fact if you have two terminal windows open, it is impossible to switch between them with alt-tab alone
[18:56] <popey> it is in unity isnt it?
[18:56] <popey> using the new alt-tab thing which zooms in
[18:57] <ali1234> i dunno, i never use alt-tab for reasons given above^
[18:57] <popey> heh
[18:57] <ali1234> is this new thing in oneiric?
[18:57] <popey> yes
[18:57] <ali1234> ok hang on, i will try it
[18:57] <ali1234> it should be noted that i hate the window management of both of them anyway
[18:57] <popey> you alt-tab and if you have multiple terminals open you hold alt-tab down and it zooms in
[18:57] <popey> then you can alt-tab between them
[18:57] <ali1234> and it wouldn't surprise me at all if unity has also got worse
[18:58] <ali1234> see that is exactly what is wrong
[18:58] <popey> yeah, i do find it odd
[18:58] <ali1234> when i want to switch to another window i should be able to complete the entire operation in 1 step without thinking
[18:58] <popey> yup
[18:58] <ali1234> i should not have to stop and look at the screen and think about what to do next
[18:58] <ali1234> switching between two windows should not be a maze oftwisty passages waiting to trip me up
[18:59] <gord> so i just opened two terminals, i pressed alt tab, it went to the next terminal
[18:59] <ali1234> good
[18:59] <ali1234> that's what it *should* do
[18:59] <gord> thats what it did do
[18:59] <popey> open more
[18:59] <gord> i actually had three open
[18:59] <ali1234> if you have only two windows open, alt-tab should always take you to the other window, or never
[18:59] <popey> no, more stuff
[18:59] <popey> not terminals
[18:59] <popey> have two terminals and two chrome windows
[18:59] <ali1234> not "it takes you to the other window as along as the other window is a different app" which is what gnome-shell 3.2 does
[18:59] <popey> easy to flip bwteen two windows, but when you want to get to the third its hard
[19:00] <popey> xp had it right imo
[19:00] <gord> so if you just press alt-tab, it uses the last focus order to take you to the previously focused window
[19:00] <zleap> where do i copy deb files to so synaptic can find them ?
[19:00] <gord> if you want to get further then you have to hold it down and go to the window you want in the alt-tab list
[19:00] <popey> zleap: you dont, you double click them and software center opens
[19:00] <zleap> ok
[19:00] <popey> gord: that presumes you only use alt-tab
[19:01] <zleap> i get starting without admin priveliedges
[19:01] <popey> it all goes to pot when you start manipulating windows with the mouse
[19:01] <gord> eh, works fine for me
[19:01] <popey> its painful for me
[19:01] <popey> might have to video it
[19:01] <gord> prolly best, hard to understand
[19:02] <ali1234> if i hadn't just rebooted i'd post a screenshot of what i normally seen if i click on the terminal icon twice in unity
[19:02] <gord> i'm not a heavy alt-tab user mind
[19:02] <ali1234> it's basically 20 or so identical black rectangles
[19:02] <ali1234> with some tiny white smudges on them
[19:03] <zleap> popey, should it start and allow me to do stuff
[19:04] <popey> yes
[19:04] <ali1234> i did notice that in oneiric, the white triangles are unfilled if the window is on another desktop
[19:04] <zleap> well it starts synaptic
[19:04] <ali1234> of course that doesn't help if you have windows of that app on this desktop and also on another desktop
[19:04] <zleap> with E: The package mfcj615wlpr needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[19:04] <zleap> E: Internal error opening cache (1). Please report.
[19:04] <ali1234> but it indicates that unity does know about workspaces
[19:04] <ali1234> which means i should be able to patch it to only consider windows on the current one
[19:04] <zleap> this happened before,  as it insists on trying to install the lpr package which I don't want then it just screws everything up
[19:05] <popey> zleap: why dont you want lpr?
[19:05] <zleap> I have no idea i just want to get a printer working
[19:05] <zleap> i need the cups wapper package for the ppd file
[19:05] <popey> where did the deb come from?
[19:05] <zleap> brother website
[19:05] <popey> which printer is it?
[19:05] <popey> ah
[19:05] <popey> and what happens when you "sudo dpkg -i file.deb" ?
[19:06] <popey> (with the downloaded deb)
[19:07] <zleap> popey, http://pastebin.com/ivA0RzaF
[19:07] <zleap> i get loads of errors
[19:08] <ujjain> Anybody seen Mock the Week? :p
[19:08] <popey> yes, frequently
[19:08] <zleap> as i said i had this issue before with my old brother printer, which i got help fixing now i have the same issue with the new printer, (once installed it works fine) but just getting stuff working is difficult
[19:08] <popey> zleap: remove the package and reinstall it
[19:08] <ujjain> popey: Last episode? I have a question about a joke.
[19:08] <zleap> popey, it won't let me
[19:08] <zleap> it says to re-install before i remove
[19:08] <popey> sudo dpkg -r mfcj615wlpr
[19:08] <popey> what does that do?
[19:08] <popey> looks like a crappy package from brother
[19:09] <popey> ujjain: whats the question?
[19:09] <ujjain> popey: "How many (Economy?) seven(s?) saving you money as long as your using it in 1986?" *hahaha* ... but I don't get it.
[19:09] <popey> ujjain: economy 7 is cheap overnight electricty
[19:09] <popey> it was popular about 30 years ago
[19:09] <popey> maybe 20 years ago
[19:09] <zleap> popey, http://pastebin.com/Hkbpe07B
[19:10] <popey> ujjain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_7
[19:10] <ujjain> popey: hmm, do you find it funny? it's 7 hours a night cheap electricity, but I don't get the fun-factor,
[19:10] <popey> ujjain: because nobody now promotes / uses it
[19:11] <popey> ujjain: it's probbaly seen by some as the kinda thing an old granny might do
[19:11] <zleap> popey if it helps, this is what i got help with last time, i have pasted the history relating to some of the stuff i had to type http://pastebin.com/v9nFafdq
[19:11] <ujjain> ah ok, it's a bit a diss :p
[19:11] <ujjain> ah, I get it.
[19:11] <popey> yeah
[19:11] <zleap> i also had to edit some files lprng or something to remove lines to make things work
[19:13] <popey> zleap: nicely broken
[19:13] <popey> its fixable there's guides to un-screwing-up packages in that state
[19:15] <jacobw> as mentioned on mock the week by andy parsons ;)
[19:17] <popey> yeah, i did see that episode
[19:17] <popey> its funny ujjain because i went on holiday to a house in the middle of nowhere and it had economy 7 heating!
[19:18] <popey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ashcombe+Country+Cottages,+Dawlish&hl=en&ll=50.601712,-3.531198&spn=0.000729,0.001662&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=22.330721,54.448242&vpsrc=6&hq=Ashcombe+Country+Cottages,&hnear=Dawlish,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=20
[19:18] <popey> that house :D
[19:18] <popey> middle of _nowhere_
[19:28] <zleap> popey, yeah
[19:29] <zleap> all i did was install2 files and this happens
[19:29] <zleap> brb watching something on tv
[19:31] <ali1234> i remember the advert for economy 7
[19:31] <ali1234> with the guy with those two little money bags
[19:31] <ali1234> "this is how much money you'd save with economy 7"
[19:31] <ali1234> and then the guy is like feeling the weight of both bags
[19:34] <ali1234> cd /opt
[19:34] <ali1234> oops
[19:40] <ujjain> popey: ahhh :P
[20:24] <majdekalel> hi i need help plzzzzzzz
[20:24] <majdekalel> what the hell is this mesge " Expired Request
[20:24] <majdekalel>     Your password request has expired. Please submit your request again. "
[21:07] <ball> hello windmill!
[21:31] <czajkowski> hmmm
[21:40] <czajkowski> gah there really is always 1 who misses the point of women meet ups in it
[21:40] <czajkowski> most flipping annoying
[21:40] <czajkowski> in fact it's infuriating!
[21:41] <mgdm> someone who turned up? Or just someone flaming?
[21:42] <czajkowski> uk ml
[21:42] <mgdm> I wonder if I'm even still subscribed to tha
[21:45] <shauno> I gotta admit, I kinda agree with his sentiment, even if he did misunderstand this particular event
[21:46] <mgdm> czajkowski: is it in fact a women-only event? Nothing in either of your posts really states that
[21:48] <czajkowski> it also doesnt state men not allowed
[21:49] <mgdm> that's what i mean
[21:49] <czajkowski> same way girl geek dinners includes men
[21:49] <mgdm> I didn't realise that
[21:49] <czajkowski> so for him to jump to that conclusion is words that I cannot describe
[21:49] <czajkowski> and is it any worder then you wont have more women at events
[21:49] <czajkowski> when you have mails like that sent around!!!!!
[21:50] <mgdm> czajkowski: so does that mean that the ada lovelace day is coming around again? I meant to write a blog post last year and never did :)
[21:51] <czajkowski> yes they've moved it back from march to october
[21:51] <czajkowski> 3rd year a row to celebrate the event
[21:51] <czajkowski> which is good to see happening
[21:52] <mgdm> Try and remind me and I might write that post, then :)
[21:53] <czajkowski> mgdm: thanks
[21:54] <davmor2> Moo
[21:59] <davmor2> czajkowski: you muppet hello
[22:01] <czajkowski> and then he fecks off
[22:01] <mgdm> muppet
[22:01] <mgdm> :)
[22:38] <shauno> I wonder if there's anything nerdy I can get up to with an rs485 port.  figure it's got to be useful for *something*
[23:04] <shauno> this is difficult.  introducing my amiga to the LAN, means it finally needs a name.  19-20 years old and she's never had a name
[23:06] <mgdm> hehe
[23:08] <shauno> most my machines are just named for their role, but calling a host 'childhood' seems wrong
[23:09] <mgdm> Hmmmm :)
[23:11] <hamitron> Anette
[23:11] <hamitron> ;/
[23:22] <shauno> firewall's starting to look incredibly messy with 3 internal interfaces now :/  funny feeling I'll have to rewrite that just to keep it sane
[23:23] <hamitron> sounds like mine atm
[23:23] <hamitron> :/
[23:24] <hamitron> I'm tempted to simplify mine
[23:25] <hamitron> shauno, why do we overcomplicate things? :/
[23:25] <shauno> because there's nothing on TV at this time of night :)
[23:26] <shauno> I'm slowly but surely turning this machine into the computer I wanted when I was 12 :/
[23:26] <mgdm> hehe
[23:26] <hamitron> :D
[23:30] <shauno> slattach: tty_open: /dev/ttyS0 (fd=3) slattach: tty_set_speed: 19200
[23:30] <shauno> except for that bit :(
[23:31] <hamitron> certainly not the 10mbit you dreamed of
[23:31] <hamitron> ;/
[23:41] <ali1234> ok i'm on oneiric for real
[23:43] <ali1234> anyone know how i make the user switching widget not show my full name all the time?
[23:44] <ali1234> already reported one regression in dual head :(
[23:46] <hamitron> :/
[23:55] <directhex> ali1234: what if you forget your name? Without that there, you'd be stuffed


[19:54] <hoonetorg> hi
[19:55] <hoonetorg> isn't it a security issue, if vfat, iso9660 or http(s) is used as datasource?
[19:56] <hoonetorg> if i put f.e. private ssh hostkeys into user-data, and the datasource is available via http
[19:56] <hoonetorg> anybody can see the private ssh host keys with wget or curl
[19:57] <hoonetorg> with vfat or iso9660 it's not that easy, but
[19:58] <hoonetorg> imagine you use a cloud instance as terminal server (x2go+lxde or similar f.e.), then could any user mount the datasource via filemanager
[19:59] <hoonetorg> it's mounted as user and the user has full read access to vfat or iso9660
[20:00] <hoonetorg> afaik xfs, ext4 or btrfs ... are not supported as datasource filesystem
[20:01] <hoonetorg> but they could solve that problem and make the data on the datasource virtual drive as secure as on the rootfs.
[20:01] <hoonetorg> anybody thought about that yet?
[20:03] <hoonetorg> I know, it's not the fault of cloud-init, because it only implements what cloud providers did.
[20:07] <hoonetorg> probably i'm here at the wrong time to ask and should ask again, when people write each other here.
[20:07] <hoonetorg> my conclusion is: do not put sensitive data into meta-data, user-data, vendor-data.
[20:10] <kwadronaut> hoonetorg: it's irc. just stick around. for a long time. if you can't try the mailinglists.
[20:10] <kwadronaut> sometimes it's quiet here for days, sometimes a lot of activity.
[20:13] <hoonetorg> kwadronaut: hi, that's exactly what i thought. normally i connect to a channel, am quiet as a little mouse and hv a look what's going on in that channel
[20:14] <hoonetorg> kwadronaut: but today i did opposite. i was so surprised, that datasources are so insecure, that i must ask immediately if somebody else thinks the same way.
[20:16] <hoonetorg> will put this channel to my list and stay and reconnect and wait for "traffic" :)
[20:17] <kwadronaut> if you take the example of private host keys, i wonder why you would preseed them and not generate them on your 'secure' cloud instance? entropy is already a big issue there, in general.
[20:18] <kwadronaut> if your 'cloud provider' is simply you/your employer, ie, a private cloud, the issue should remain on the internal network anyway.
[20:19] <kwadronaut> but i'm sure others can give you better answers.
[20:19] <hoonetorg> should only be an example
[20:20] <hoonetorg> i thought on deploying my salt minion keys via cloud-init
[20:21] <hoonetorg> instances are deployed and redeployed multiple times, so salt-minion-keys must find their way to the instance.
[20:22] <hoonetorg> once salt is running i can deploy ssh host keys and certificates and other sensitive stuff more or less secure via salt.
[20:23] <hoonetorg> ...... but to get salt running .... i scratch my head
[20:24] <hoonetorg> probably it's a better approach to do this more dynamic
[20:24] <hoonetorg> create new keys on every new deploy of the same instance.
[20:26] <hoonetorg> .... but that is like with ssh host keys then: your ssh hostkey changed.... man in the middle attack... do you want to remove the old key from ...line...
[20:26] <hoonetorg> ------> yes
[20:26] <hoonetorg> (did i reinstall that machine???)
[20:27] <hoonetorg> kwadronaut: thx so far, your answer implies somehow my initial conclusion: no sensitive data in datasources.
[20:45] <kwadronaut> yeah, i've also ran into that problem, and distributing changed ssh keys upon reinstalling yadayada, i'm not happy with how we do things now, and improvements would be welcome, as usual.
[20:46] <kwadronaut> and there will be sensitive data in there, but we try to minimalise it.
[20:51] <hoonetorg> every new  bare metal i use, gets an usbstick formatted with ext4 label "sensitive".  i put salt-keys on it (manually generated), chmod 400, chattr +i
[20:52] <hoonetorg> that way data on the stick should be as secure as on rootfs (/)
[20:54] <hoonetorg> but with vfat or iso9660 it's difficult
[21:00] <hoonetorg> yeah but entropy is still an issue, for sad i hv no QKD device lying around for producing real random :)
[21:02] <hoonetorg> (sorry for OT, i'm quite now)


[00:14] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I'll try from home
[00:53] <pace_t_zulu> missed cyberanger again
[03:54] <vychune> hello people
[16:02] <vychune> hey everyone
[16:22] <Juzzy-> hi
[23:29] <vychune> o/
[23:30] <vychune> wrst?


[13:33] <nameless__> helloo
[13:34] <cfhowlett> greetings nameless__
[16:42] <kyda> hi :)
[16:42] <kyda> could somebody help me?
[16:48] <kyda> hello?
[16:49] <cfhowlett> !ask | kyda,
[16:50] <kyda>  i have problem with mouse and dropdown menus. Everytime i click dropdown menu it appears and dispappear again if i move my mouse while doing it. Any solution? Thanks
[17:17] <kyda> !ask
[17:17] <kyda> !patience
[22:44] <studio-user999> hello you speak spanish?
[22:45] <Unit193> !es


[08:20] <mpt> Could someone who uses Ubuntu in a non-English language please verify bug 434601? I don't know the person who marked it fixed, and they haven't left a comment explaining it.


[07:45] <kim0> G' Morning
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <kim0> dholbach: morning man
[08:10] <dholbach> hi kim0
[08:10] <kim0> hey
[08:14] <dholbach> hola dpm
[08:15] <dpm> hola dholbach!
[08:15] <dpm> good morning all
[08:16] <kim0> dpm: morning :)
[08:18] <dpm> hey kim0
[08:21] <pleia2> dholbach: I am heading to bed, but just a quick reminder for dev week start in the morning, everyone with an ubuntu member cloak can get ops in classroom, so if you have problems and classroom team people aren't around (like sleeping :)) you can op up w/ chanserv and handle things
[08:21] <dholbach> pleia2, thanks a lot for setting things up
[08:21] <pleia2> others did most of the work :) good luck tomorrow!
[08:23] <dholbach> thanks :-)
[08:31] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:33] <huats> morning
[09:36] <duanedesign> o/
[09:48] <jussi> does anyone know what the program is that people are using to create http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/unity-netbook-maximised.png this kind of drawings?
[09:49] <duanedesign> hello jussi
[09:49] <jussi> hi duanedesign
[09:49] <duanedesign> i think doctormo had a blog post about that
[09:50]  * duanedesign goes and looks
[09:52] <duanedesign> jussi: found it.  http://doctormo.org/2010/12/05/doing-mockups-like-doctormo/
[09:56] <vish> jussi: http://www.balsamiq.com/builds/mockups-web-demo/
[09:57] <jussi> vish: AWESOME!!!
[09:58] <vish> jussi: np, the demo just annoys you with a popup every 20 mins or something to buy the app.. you can just select "later" and can keep working..
[09:59] <jussi> vish: is the app availabe for linux?
[10:00] <vish> jussi: i think it is a webapp.. been a while since i used it, used it only a couple of times.. and went back to inkscape :)
[10:03] <vish> i think mark was also using the demo ;) , iirc , it adds the "created by balsamiq" only for the demo versions..
[10:10] <popey> canonical have a license for it iirc
[10:11] <jussi> yeah, looks like there is a deb there - you get 7 days free
[10:12]  * jussi tries it out
[10:12] <jussi> hrm, cant install because no adobe air... wonder where I get a ubuntu'ised version
[10:15] <AlanBell> jussi: there is an firefox extension called pencil which does the same thing
[10:15] <jussi> AlanBell: I found adobe air in some ppa (ppa:dajhorn/adobeair) (yes, IM 64bit)
[10:16] <jussi> AlanBell: also, Im not a firefox user :)
[10:16] <AlanBell> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/ScreenShots/ShotDetail.aspx?DocumentPath=screenshots%2fshots%2fsketchy-stencil
[10:16] <AlanBell> it is almost a standalone gecko based application
[10:42] <Pendulum> dholbach: hiya, can I PM you about something?
[10:51] <dholbach> Pendulum, sure
[11:34] <dpm> kim0, did the nvidia + xorg update recently went well for you? I can now only run in classic mode, no unity
[11:37] <duanedesign> seems to have gone ok for me
[11:37] <duanedesign> though I am in Classic Mode at the moment
[11:37] <duanedesign> :)
[11:38] <popey> nvidia pics the wrong res for me :(
[11:39] <popey> bug 725600
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 725600 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "nvidia EDID issue, wrong resolution selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725600
[11:39] <dpm> ok, thanks for the feedback guys, I'll go and file a bug for my case
[11:49] <kim0> dpm: it went well for me I think .. I'm not on unity yet though (awaiting for it to be really ready, so that it doesn't turn me off)
[11:49] <dpm> kim0, are you using the classic mode with effects?
[11:49] <kim0> no plain gnome :)
[11:49] <dpm> (that didn't work for me either)
[11:49] <kim0> I am the kind of guy who can't tolerate compiz
[11:50]  * kim0 hides
[11:53] <dpm> :)
[11:55] <dpm> I'm on classic desktop with no effects now (i.e. metacity), and while it works, it's not perfect either (applets crashing on log in, white bar on the bottom panel for some strange reason)
[13:47]  * nigelbabu hugs dholbach
[13:47] <nigelbabu> Thanks! I just made it out and back home :)
[13:55] <duanedesign> nigelbabu: hello!
[13:56] <nigelbabu> hey duanedesign
[13:56] <duanedesign> o/
[14:10] <AlanBell> nigelbabu: \o/
[14:12] <dpm> jussi, feel free to RT ;)
[14:13] <dpm> http://twitter.com/ubuntul10n/status/42225500441165824
[14:13] <dpm> http://identi.ca/notice/65631546
[14:13] <nigelbabu> AlanBell: \o/
[14:15] <jussi> dpm: I retweeted, but no one reads my tweets :P
[14:23] <doctormo> jussi: What is a tweet and who are you?
[14:24] <jussi> dpm: bwahahaha... I am the devil in dusguise :P
[14:24] <jussi> no, Im jussi01 :)
[14:24] <jussi> and that was aimed at doctormo
[14:24] <nigelbabu> lol
[14:25] <doctormo> jussi: That's one question down, now how about all this RT (Request Ticket) nonsense?
[14:25] <cjohnston> jcastro: http://goo.gl/8gn2l  <-- something to look forward to in Florida
[14:25] <jussi> doctormo: its retweet ;)
[14:26] <doctormo> jussi: That's just 'R'
[14:27]  * doctormo thinks the world would be a better place without all these tweetering twits
[14:27]  * jussi huggles doctormo
[14:28] <nigelbabu> ok, I'm getting out of IRC and onto bed
[14:28] <nigelbabu> laters all!
[14:58] <dholbach> nigelb, ROCK!
[15:24] <jcastro> dholbach: dev week is today!!!
[15:33] <dholbach> jcastro, yeehaw
[15:43]  * popey cuddles jcastro
[15:46] <manish> jcastro: look at this
[15:46] <manish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek
[15:46] <manish> the timetable is empty
[15:46] <manish> and it says
[15:46] <manish> The schedule is full so we've tacked on some extra slots (because hey, if you're going to show up we might as well make use of the time!) If you are interested in running a session that will benefit application developers, get hold of JorgeCastro.
[15:46] <manish> is the template used?
[15:51] <dholbach> manish, are you looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek?
[15:51] <manish> dholbach: nope, not that
[15:51] <manish> someone on #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[15:51] <manish> by mistake mentioned that page
[15:52] <dholbach> ah ok
[15:52] <manish> dholbach: I wont confuse between the two pages, I am giving a session in UDW :P
[15:52] <dholbach> :-D
[15:52] <dholbach> thanks for that manish
[15:56] <jcastro> jono: our call conflicts with me/jason's UDW session, mind if we move it up or back?
[15:56] <jono> hey all
[15:56] <jono> jcastro, np
[15:56] <kim0> jono: morning
[15:56] <jcastro> jono: I can go whenever
[15:57]  * popey tickles jono
[15:59] <dholbach> 265 people, not bad :-D
[16:00] <jono> hey kim0
[16:00] <jono> popey, lol
[16:00] <jono> kim0, just give me a few mins
[16:00] <kim0> sure
[16:02] <dholbach> how do I mute a channel?
[16:02] <dholbach> so only +o and +v can speak?
[16:02] <maco> +m
[16:03] <dholbach> ah now it worked
[16:13] <jono> kim0, alright
[16:13] <jono> calling
[16:14] <kim0> k
[17:01] <cjohnston> jcastro: did you see my rt about updating the theme on uds.ubuntu.com?
[17:01] <jcastro> yeah
[17:01] <jcastro> one sec, busy with other things
[17:01] <cjohnston> yup
[17:19] <jcastro> cjohnston: today is the day for you
[17:19] <jcastro> new xorg, new unity
[17:20] <jcastro> you will either be happy or your computer will be a molten pile of slag
[17:20] <popey> "yay"
[17:20] <cjohnston> I like what popey said
[17:20] <cjohnston> lol
[17:21] <cjohnston> I like option 1 better
[17:37] <doctormo> jcastro: I watch time team, molten piles of slag are great evidence of iron age culture.
[17:38] <doctormo> Possibly even british/roman conquest computers.
[18:11] <jcastro> http://people.canonical.com/~njpatel/Screenshot-2.png
[18:11] <jcastro> yeah baby
[18:12] <dholbach> ok my friends - I need to head out
[18:12] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[18:12] <dholbach> big hugs
[18:12] <Technoviking> jcastro: niiiceee
[18:13] <AlanBell> jcastro: should that be displaying stuff that starts with "f"?
[18:13] <AlanBell> good that it displays *something* at least
[18:13] <jcastro> dunno wha'ts up with that
[18:14] <doctormo> AlanBell: It's all things that contain 'f'
[18:14] <doctormo> AlanBell: Which goes as much for 'fire' as it does for 'afraid'
[18:16] <doctormo> Oh, and it includes the comments/decription and possibly even the translations. I forgot to check the code.
[18:16]  * AlanBell looks for the f'in application names
[18:16] <AlanBell> there is no f'in calculator
[18:22] <doctormo> AlanBell: Comment=Perform arithmetic, scientific or financial calculations
[18:41] <doctormo> AlanBell, jcastro: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bamf/+bug/726711
[18:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 726711 in bamf "Unintuative Application Matching" [Undecided,New]
[20:01] <jcastro> jono: class done, I can do whenevs
[20:02] <jono> thanks jcastro
[20:02] <jono> will ping you in a bit
[21:31] <Technoviking> jcastro: have you heard when the Ubuntu Mono font maybe released?
[21:31] <jcastro> sladen mentioned it the other day
[21:31] <jcastro> let me see
[21:32] <jcastro> someone asked in rick's Q+A
[21:32] <jcastro> he said soonish
[21:32] <jcastro> he's usually on IRC, if you poke him I think you should be good
[21:32] <jcastro> or if you're still in the font interest group in launchpad you should be good
[21:32] <Technoviking> coolness thanks
[21:47] <Technoviking> jcastro: is it true every time you use Banshee in Ubuntu a kitten dies?
[21:47] <Technoviking> :)
[21:47]  * popey gets a broom to sweep up all the dead kittens in his house
[23:28] <Technoviking> anyone know Eric Hammond's irc nick
[23:28] <Technoviking> he just sent a cease and desist to my blog
[23:29] <kim0> Technoviking: erichammond
[23:30] <Technoviking> thanks


 Is al meer as 'n maand
[05:10] <mazal> Telscum het nog nie my account reggemaak nie ( Bill my vol al het ek Feb laas werkende lyn gehad )
[05:10] <mazal> En dan 'n groot pyn , ek sit nog steeds sonder warm water in die huis. ( Is al 2 weke )
[05:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:11] <mazal> En nou is ek nie by die werk om hulle aan te jaag nie so weet nie wat is hulle plan nie. Is bad sukkel sonder warm water :(
[05:11] <mazal> Morning anton_may
[05:11] <Kilos> hi anton_may
[05:12] <anton_may> Bounjourno come se va?
[05:13] <mazal> uhm..ok...ook so
[05:13] <Kilos> you speak french
[05:13] <anton_may> Italiano
[05:13] <Kilos> poor bush
[05:13] <Kilos> ah
[05:13] <anton_may> Married into an Ita family
[05:13] <Kilos> thats wise for those that enjoy pasta
[05:14] <anton_may> Yes but not the waist and liver
[05:14] <mazal> We have Italian memorial here on our terrain
[05:14] <Kilos> lol
[05:14] <anton_may> Zandspruit?
[05:14] <mazal> Zonderwater
[05:14] <mazal> There was a concentration camp during the war
[05:15] <anton_may> Ja ok that is where the Ita WW2 soldiers are buried
[05:15] <anton_may> We go there every year
[05:15] <mazal> That's where I live and work
[05:16] <mazal> Just across the hill
[05:16] <anton_may> Oh ok so you know the PnP in Rayton
[05:16] <mazal> Yep
[05:17] <anton_may> Friend has a farm behind Baviaanspoort prison
[05:17] <anton_may> and also another friend used to live in Cullinan
[05:18] <mazal> Kewl , small world
[05:19] <anton_may> Yip, there was a bar in Rayton that used to frequent. Closed now
[05:20] <mazal> Oi , some more updates
[05:20] <mazal> Thought it was finished now ai !
[05:20] <mazal> I need a " Make sure you do everything now " button
[05:56] <Kilos> oh my no dvd's this release
[05:56] <Kilos> will be usb sticks
[05:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:23] <mazal> Kilos, you mean there will be no dvd iso ?
[06:24] <Kilos> yeah looks like they gonna supply the iso on usb sticks
[06:24] <mazal> That sucks
[06:24] <Kilos> nono
[06:24] <Kilos> dvds are on the way out
[06:24] <Kilos> same as cds went
[06:24] <Kilos> soon only videos will be on dvd
[06:25] <mazal> Bad decision that
[06:25] <Kilos> i dont mind, this writers is broken anyway
[06:26] <mazal> They assume everyone will know how to take an iso to usb and how to setup their bios for usb booting
[06:26] <Kilos> but of course you will be able to download the iso and burn it to dvd yourself
[06:27] <Kilos> these sticks will be to replace the dvds cannonical shipped
[06:27] <mazal> That's what I asked. Will there still be a dvd iso that one can burn yourself ?
[06:27] <Kilos> yes downloads will be the same
[06:28] <mazal> Ok then it's fine. Though the dvd iso will not be available anymore
[06:28] <Kilos> and i thinks the sticks will be small
[06:28] <Kilos> maybe 2g or 4g
[06:28] <mazal> Even my own remastered iso's I prefer on dvd. Way more reliable than usb sticks
[06:28] <Kilos> no man
[06:29] <Kilos> i use remaster on stick
[06:30] <mazal> And I had many issues in the past with ubuntu taking an iso to a stick. Failed many times
[06:30] <Kilos> did you use unetbootin
[06:30] <Kilos> i havent had one fail
[06:31] <mazal> Can't remember that app's name , but isn't very reliable
[06:31] <mazal> No the build-in one from Ubuntu
[06:31] <mazal> Then when that fails I revert to unetbootin and even that one sometime fail
[06:32] <Kilos> eish
[06:32] <mazal> The only advantage of stick is the install is way faster from one
[06:32] <Kilos> i always use unetbootin
[06:33] <mazal> Trying to remember the build-in app's name , but forgot now
[06:33] <Kilos> if you format the stick to fat 32 and add the mbr on it it works everytime with unetbootin
[06:33] <Kilos> usb creator
[06:33] <mazal> Something like that yes
[06:33] <Kilos> you first need to open disks and format to mbr
[06:34] <Kilos> stick must be bootable
[06:34] <mazal> DVD easier. Put in , burn , done
[06:34] <Kilos> lol
[06:34] <mazal> And cheaper
[06:34] <mazal> For multiple difirent iso's
[06:35] <Kilos> i think small sticks are going to be phased out soon
[06:35] <Kilos> so they will be very cheap when bought in bulk
[06:35] <Kilos> can you still buy 2g sticks
[06:36] <mazal> Not a fan of sticks at all. They only good for good transfer of small files from one pc to another
[06:36] <mazal> quick*
[06:36] <Kilos> nee man
[06:36] <Kilos> i made a working ubuntu on one and ian still uses it at customers
[06:36] <mazal> Way too slow
[06:37] <Kilos> slow yes
[06:37] <mazal> Did that once , never again
[06:37] <Kilos> will be better with usb3
[06:37] <mazal> Then I rather do it properly and use a external hdd
[06:37] <Kilos> same thing
[06:38] <Kilos> just faster
[06:38] <mazal> No , hdd way faster than stick
[06:39] <Kilos> and much more expensive
[06:39] <mazal> Much more versitile also
[06:39] <Kilos> when usb3 is the standard you wont worry about speed anymore
[06:39] <Kilos> usb2 is whats so slow
[06:40] <mazal> Either way , I will stick to DVD for iso's I want to keep
[06:41] <Kilos> yes i have many of old ubuntu releases but they not of any use really
[06:41] <mazal> But I guess it isn't long before you won't be able to buy dvd drives anymore
[06:42] <mazal> I despise the laptops that already comes out without them
[06:42] <Kilos> things are changing too fast for older people
[06:42] <mazal> It makes one struggle that's the problem. Reduces options
[06:42] <Kilos> we are creatures of habit
[06:42] <mazal> It doesn't make anything better
[06:43] <Kilos> external dvds work well though
[06:43] <mazal> Now when said laptop breaks down you can't use your dvd boot tools for example
[06:43] <Kilos> i tried ians one, works kiff
[06:44] <mazal> It reduces options and makes work more and harder
[06:44] <mazal> Doesn't improve anything
[06:45] <Kilos> we dont have much choice
[06:45] <mazal> One thing I have seen many times is that change does not always equal better
[06:46] <mazal> I needs coffee , have babelas and don't even drink
[06:51] <superfly> mazal: that's how I feel every morning -_-
[07:02] <mazal> Oi
[07:02] <mazal> I'm too old for the midnight thing man
[07:02] <mazal> maaz what's for breakfast
[07:02] <Maaz> mazal: *blink*
[07:09] <mazal> I wonder where is TheMurdz today ?
[07:16] <chesedo> morning Kilos mazal anton_may inetpro superfly and all others
[07:16] <mazal> Morning chesedo
[07:18]  * mazal goes to recover some zzzzzzzzzzz's
[07:26] <superfly> chesedo: morning
[07:27] <superfly> chesedo: to answer your question: https://debconf16.debconf.org/get-involved/
[07:29] <chesedo> ty superfly
[07:29] <Kilos> hi chesedo superfly
[07:30] <superfly> hi Kilos
[08:08] <anton_may> wazzup chesedo
[08:08] <chesedo> Books and self anton_may?
[09:02] <anton_may> sorting out a corrupt mysql db
[09:15] <chesedo> ouch
[10:12] <theblazehen> anton_may: What happened to it?
[10:12] <theblazehen> Hi guys
[10:29] <superfly> sup theblazehen
[10:29] <theblazehen> Hey superfly how's things going?
[10:29] <superfly> theblazehen: going
[10:30] <superfly> at work we've been working on our continuous integration/deployment system recently
[10:30] <superfly> we're using Go.CD and Docker
[10:30] <mazal> Telscummmmmmmmmmm !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[10:30] <mazal> Will this battle never end
[10:30] <superfly> gotten to the point where we build the docker images for our system using GoCD in a docker container
[10:30] <superfly> mazal: no
[10:31] <mazal> *sigh*
[10:31] <mazal> How hard can it be for one person to just do their work , nothing more , nothing fancy , nothing great , just their job
[10:35] <mazal> In contrast Afrihost , I logged a call an hour ago. They replied and sorted the problem already.


[01:33] <gabriel> The staff all right?
[03:01] <drwhite>  I just upgraded to 18 from 16, and the pc now takes over 1 minute to shut down.
[03:01] <drwhite> in 16 it only took 5 seconds.
[03:01] <drwhite>  Is there anything that has gone wrong on install to cause this please?
[03:01] <drwhite> Or is ther esomething else?
[03:02] <drwhite> I'm at a complete loss.
[03:03] <drwhite> Is it something to do with it haveing SystemD so tightly integrated into it now?
[03:12] <drwhite> Found the slow issue. I was searching for version 18, but it was happenning to people in 16, which I didn't have the issue in 16. Found it now.   "sudo systemctl disable cups-browsed.service"
[04:25] <Diego-_-> hola!
[06:19] <gid3on> Hello ev'rbody - a question regarding booting into 18.04 kernel 4.15.0-24: Does anybody in here have the question described in #1780009 and #1780131 over at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate ?
[06:19] <gid3on> I do - running on a ThinkPad x230 i5
[07:15] <ryan_> who is that
[13:39] <gid3on> Hello ev'rbody - a question regarding booting into 18.04 kernel 4.15.0-24: Does anybody in here have the question described in #1780009 and #1780131 over at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate ?
[13:39] <gid3on> I do - running on a ThinkPad x230 i5
[20:42] <gid3on> Hello ev'rbody - a question regarding booting into 18.04 kernel 4.15.0-24: Does anybody in here have the question described in #1780009 and #1780131 over at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate ?
[21:13] <m4t> gid3on: not sure, sounds like a kernel issue, but you can hold the kernel at a working version if you want
[21:15] <m4t> e.g. sudo apt-mark hold linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic linux-generic
[21:41] <gid3on> m4t: Thanks - actually there are updates right now relating to the present kernel, so I'll see if that's the solution


[05:36] <didrocks> good morning
[06:03] <duflu> Morning did
[06:03] <duflu> Oops
[06:12] <didrocks> nothing else than loosing the session in the early Monday morning :p
[06:22] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:22] <oSoMoN> happy Monday!
[06:24] <didrocks> joyeux lundi oSoMoN
[06:25] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:07] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers!
[07:08] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:08] <oSoMoN> finies les vacances?
[07:08] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ? bon w.e ?
[07:08] <seb128> et oui :-(
[07:08] <oSoMoN> très bon week-end, piscine, apéros et wake-board
[07:10] <didrocks> salut seb128, bon retour de vacances
[07:10] <seb128> lut didrocks, merci ! en forme ?
[07:11] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ? bien reposé ?
[07:13] <seb128> ouais, les vacances m'ont fait du bien !
[07:14] <seb128> the Costa Brava is really nice :-)
[07:15] <oSoMoN> I concurr :)
[07:16] <didrocks> super :)
[07:24] <duflu> Morning didrocks, oSoMoN, seb128
[07:24] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:24] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e?
[07:26] <duflu> seb128, wish I didn't google Costa Brava. It's raining at the moment. Weekend was busy and not much fun either
[07:26] <duflu> seb128, nice holiday?
[07:26] <seb128> :(
[07:26] <seb128> the holidays were excellent yes :-)
[07:28] <seb128> nice weather, we stayed in a nice small place which wasn't packed with tourists or big building, had a big swimming pool next to our building and a nice small beach 3 min away
[07:28] <duflu> Perfect
[07:28] <seb128> indeed :)
[07:28] <didrocks> I would have thought that this area would be packed at that time of the year
[07:29] <seb128> yeah, I was positively surprised
[07:30] <seb128> return is a bit cahotic though, the universe is making it clear holidays are over
[07:31] <seb128> the kid is stomach sick since yesterday and we are redoing our living room/kitchen floor and they told us a week ago then can come this week, so we spent sunday emptying the room and moving fridges and furnitures in other rooms of the appartement
[07:31] <didrocks> argh, hardly back to the reality
[07:31] <seb128> they start tomorrow, I don't know yet how cahotic and noisy that's going to be but I expect I will have to spend a few days outside
[07:31] <didrocks> yeah, sounds like it
[07:32] <seb128> hopefully the kid is better and can go to the childcare tomorrow...
[07:32] <duflu> Looks like someone has subscribed teams to bugs recently
[07:32] <didrocks> ok, at least, you won't have to jungle between kid at home & house work
[07:32] <didrocks> (& work)
[07:40] <seb128> right
[07:40] <seb128> duflu, what team to what bug?
[07:52] <duflu> seb128, snaps and network manager
[07:52] <seb128> duflu, you are saying that because of the ubuntu-desktop bug emails?
[07:52] <duflu> I used to think everyone should be subscribed to bugs, but if it's the team subscribed then you can't unsubscribe or mute bug mail :(
[07:57] <duflu> seb128, I guess it probably is. But let's ignore it for now in case it's just an outlier spike
[07:58] <seb128> yeah, I don't think things changed there
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> morning didrocks, duflu, oSoMoN, and welcome back seb128
[07:59] <seb128> it's bugs affecting the upstream n-m component which trigger emails
[07:59] <seb128> not the package
[07:59] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[07:59] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[07:59] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:21] <willcooke> morning all
[08:23] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:23] <didrocks> hey willcooke, wb to Europe
[08:23] <seb128> hey willcooke, how are you? had a good flight back?
[08:25] <seb128> duflu, it's not really clear to me what's the status of the current bionic pulseaudio SRU, it's not good to be validated for some reason? or did you just stack a new one to include that oem fix extra?
[08:25] <willcooke> Got an upgrade to premium on the way back, but meh, wasn't much difference really
[08:25] <willcooke> #1stworldproblems
[08:25] <duflu> seb128, started with two bugs, dropped one and added another. Still two bugs
[08:27] <duflu> seb128, one of the bugs failed verification and one passed. I would like to drop the current proposed version. Another is awaiting sponsorship
[08:28] <seb128> duflu, it failed because it creates issues or doesn't work? if one fix work and the other is a no-op we could argue that the current one should be moved to -updates so the one fix is rolled out to users
[08:30] <duflu> seb128, it's not a priority so I'd rather not force it through when errors.ubuntu.com shows the other crash still happens
[08:30] <duflu> Although that's an illusion -- it's the stack matching on errors.ubuntu.com that's wrong I think
[08:31] <seb128> duflu, k, wfm, bionic SRUs are sort of frozen this week anyway due to .3 images coming so I will sponsor the new one
[08:31] <marcustomlinson> morning willcooke
[08:34] <seb128> duflu, sponsored
[08:35] <duflu> Oh, thanks seb128
[15:01] <seb128> willcooke, I don't seem to be able to edit that weekly rls bugs post?
[15:02] <didrocks> yeah, you can reply but not edit it apparently
[15:02] <didrocks> (can you update other's post if you are not an admin?)
[15:04] <willcooke> damn it
[15:04] <willcooke> I forgot to make it a wiki
[15:04] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks fixed
[15:04] <seb128> thx
[15:06] <didrocks> great ;)
[17:37] <willcooke> night all
[19:22] <rbalint> hi all, i just uploaded systemd 243~rc1 to eoan which will fail in autopkgtest because it starts really disliking gdm.service and gdm3.service doing the same, please ship only one of them
[19:23] <rbalint> ppa-based test log<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:23] <rbalint> look for ERROR: test_gdm3
[19:24] <rbalint> the error in journal:  systemd[1]: gdm.service: Two services allocated for the same bus name org.gnome.DisplayManager, refusing operation.
[19:51] <linuxr> hello anyone, I'm just trying to install a "laserjet p1006 printer", with little success so far...I can find and install the printer (usb), but when I print something it vanishes from the queue after some seconds without the printer doing anything
[21:13] <linuxr> hi, any cups/printing expert around? My printer doesn't do anything when I'm trying to print
[21:19] <sarnold> linuxr: you may have more success in #ubuntu -- this channel is mostly used for coordinating development activities
[21:21] <linuxr> okay, thanks sarnold


[16:57] <ceres> hi
[16:58] <ceres> my name is Piter
[16:58] <ceres> :>
[16:59] <ceres> hello
[16:59] <pleia2> ceres: this channel is for classes and there aren't any on the schedule at this time
 ok