[00:22] <skay> I'd like to use juju with a rackspace account. based on a quick search, people use manual provisioning?
[00:22] <skay> if there is another approach, or if someone has tips, please let me know!
[00:28] <marcoceppi> skay: not at the moment. The Rackspace openstack setup is to heavily modified from upstream openstack so our openstack provider code won't work against it
[00:28] <marcoceppi> skay: it's possible, with some code, to wrap the rackspace API and provide a "manual provider" like was done with digital ocean, but someone would have to do that
[00:30] <skay> marcoceppi: I may not bother for the rackspace stuff. thanks for telling me about it
[00:30]  * skay has donated rackspace services to work with
[14:29] <arbrandes> Hey guys!
[14:29] <arbrandes> Is there a reason why many Juju/OpenStack/HA guides recommend Percona over, say, MariaDB or MySQL?
[18:29] <captine> Hi all.  Am a bit of a tech hobbiest and am looking at using a mac mini server for either a hypervisor like proxmox to play with containers and vms, or installing MAAS and learning a bit of juju.  anyone done anything like this and have advice?
[18:37] <jcastro> captine, we've used juju and maas with intel nucs before
[18:37] <jcastro> minis should work fine if it's similarly powerful hardware
[18:38] <captine> jcastro, mini has bios based raid0 2x1TB HDD, 16Gig ram and i7 processor.  only have 1, so hence was thinking of using proxmox to then run 3 or so VMs to mimic MAAS.
[18:39] <jcastro> yeah that sounds much more powerful than the i5 nucs we have
[18:39] <captine> can MAAS and juju give me similar virtualization ability to a hypervisor?
[18:40] <jcastro> I've not done that personally
[18:40] <mbruzek> captine: MAAS can *manage* those VMs that you create on the mini, and by that I mean install Ubuntu on them when the boot pxe
[18:41] <mbruzek> captine: Once juju is orchestrating the MAAS you can deploy charms and or bundles to them.
[18:42] <captine> mbruzek, thanks.  I think i will go with a hypervisor + some "MAAS" vm's.  that way, if I understand you correctly, I can run a windows vm or other linux distro's/ubuntu flavours which doesnt sound possible with MAAS only.
[18:42] <captine> appreciate the responses all.
[18:44] <mbruzek> captine: Your original idea looked fine to me, I have 2 intel NUCs (i5) and created 8 VMs on one of them.  Then set up MAAS to manage those VMs.  Then I have juju controlling the MAAS
[18:45] <mbruzek> captine: I believe the latest version of MAAS can do other linux distros, but you will have to check the documentation on that, I haven't played with that yet.
[18:47] <mbruzek> captine: I am not a MAAS expert, but I have set it up on my NUC machines, several versions ago.  For more information on that you might want to ask in #maas
[18:48] <captine> mbruzek, thanks a mil.  what were you using for hosting the vms?  e.g. hypervisor wise?
[18:49] <mbruzek> captine: I used KVM.  But as long as the VM can boot pxe (from network) and MAAS controls that network interface it will set up the VMs for you.
[18:52] <mbruzek> captine: So my setup is:  NUC1 Ubuntu 14.04 with Juju and MAAS installed.  NUC2 Ubuntu server 14.04 with KVM, and 8 VMs created with 2GB of RAM each.  The two NUCs are connected via a switch and MAAS controls NUC1's eth0 adapter.
[18:53] <mbruzek> captine: NUC1 has a separate wireless adapter that I use to connect to the Internet, and all traffic is routed through there.  In the MAAS documentation you will see it recommended to have more than 1 network adapter.
[18:54] <mbruzek> captine: It is worth noting that MAAS can be installed on a VM itself, but again needs to control a network interface so it can send boot images over pxe.  I have not done this, but version 2 might be set  up with MAAS in a VM.
[19:03] <captine> awesome info.  thanks
[22:34] <marcoceppi> mbruzek: captine you'll need more than pxe boot because Maas needs to be able to turn the vms on. So you'll need anything that works with libvirt/qemu
[22:50] <designated> I have a service in a dying state that will not remove.  What can I try besides destroying the machine?
[22:51] <designated> I've tried "juju destroy-service ceph" and "juju destroy-unit ceph/0", neither produce a result or any logs.
[22:53] <marcoceppi> designated: is it in an error state?
[22:55] <designated> marcoceppi: agent state is started
[22:55] <designated> marcoceppi: life shows dying
[22:56] <marcoceppi> designated: okay, was anything related to it?
[22:56] <designated> nope
[22:57] <marcoceppi> designated: can you pastebin your juju status output?
[22:58] <designated> marcoceppi: http://pastebin.com/Mm3Tg4ar
[22:59] <designated> marcoceppi: I recently deployed ceph-osd but no relationship was built between ceph and ceph-osd
[23:00] <designated> marcoceppi: this all started out of the ceph charm not forming a ring due to it not finding the keyring.  So I tried to destroy the ceph service and reinstall.
[23:00] <designated> well tried to destroy, have to get past that first.
[23:00] <marcoceppi> designated: there are probably hooks still running in the machines
[23:01] <designated> marcoceppi: it's been at least an hour
[23:02] <marcoceppi> You can be patient (lame) or terminate-machine --force 2 3 4
[23:02] <marcoceppi> designated: a him might be stuck and blocking
[23:03] <marcoceppi> That will destroy the service since there are no units at that point and the service is dying
[23:03] <designated> marcoceppi: i want to avoid destroying the machine if possible as this will not be a suitable solution in production.
[23:08] <designated> marcoceppi: so i have to destroy the whole machine because one service messed up?
[23:28] <designated> For anyone that might be interested, SSHing into the machine and restarting the problem juju agent allowed me to resolve the unit and eventually destroy the service as a whole.
[23:28] <designated> does james page hang out in here?


[20:28] <daker> hi
[20:30] <daker> the launchpad-developer-dependencies package doesn't exist on 13.10
[23:28] <StevenK> daker: It is not in the Ubuntu archive, it is only in the launchpad PPA.
[23:29] <wgrant> But it wasn't in trusty in the PPA until about 2 minutes ago :)
[23:30] <daker> StevenK: i used the rocketfuel-setup script
[23:30] <wgrant> Wait, 13.10 is saucy, I'm apparently asleep
[23:30] <wgrant> daker: What was the error message?
[23:31] <daker> wgrant: deps error wait a sec
[23:31] <daker> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6506826/
[23:32] <wgrant> Ah, so it does exist, it's just not installable.
[23:32] <daker> wgrant: also i am seeing http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[23:32] <wgrant> That shouldn't be a problem.
[23:33] <wgrant> I'm looking at the lp-dev-deps uninstallability.
[23:34] <StevenK> wgrant: pgbouncer in Saucy itself is a higher version than the pgbouncer in the PPA
[23:34] <StevenK> I've had it pinned locally for a long while
[23:36] <wgrant> Yeah, I know
[23:36] <wgrant> Fortunately we don't use that as a build-dep
[23:36] <wgrant> So a versioned alternative should be fine
[23:36] <wgrant> (my patch made it upstream ages ago)
[23:39] <wgrant> Hm, though it doesn't seem to have been in a release since then.
[23:39] <wgrant> I'll upload a patched 1.5.4 everywhere.


[07:05] <Saviq> Morn'
[07:52] <alan_g[m]> <insert time of your day>!
[07:53] <Saviq> ?
[07:53] <alan_g[m]> s/</\</, s/>!/\>!/
[09:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2546](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2546): [miral] Tidy up event filtering API... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c6a75662377ac97a1112e1e926c5f526c414bbd6)
[10:24] <alan_g[m]> Saviq want to review and merge a suggestion? IMO we can then land the v8 stuff: https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2508#discussion_r943319792
[10:26] <Saviq> Sure
[10:43] <alan_g[m]> Oh, and this ought to be easy: https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2545 (failure on Debian SID is "not us")
[10:53] <Saviq> alan_g why is it legacy? mirclient, or got fixed in the mean time?
[10:53] <Saviq> And if it wasn't fixed, we'd see failures in CI?
[10:54] <alan_g[m]> Was workaround for a race using mirclient
[11:23] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2545](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2545): Delete obsolete workaround
[11:58] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2508](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2508): Bump wl_seat to v8 and implement hi-res scrolling
[11:58] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2499](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2499): Upgrade to wl_seat v7
[13:52] <alan_g[m]> I got MultiThreadedCompositor to crash locally, which gives a chance of finding a cause for its flakiness. \o/
[14:15] <alan_g[m]> Why does it need to be so hard to find out why I don't have a core file. I remember when it was just there waiting to be looked at. Now I havwe to track down a log entry: `ERROR: apport (pid 1189810) Thu Aug 11 15:05:00 2022: host pid 1189741 crashed in a separate mount namespace, ignoring`
[14:15] <alan_g[m]> (Naturally, it works perfectly under a debugger)
[14:27] <alan_g[m]> This is what makes software such fun! It crashes reasonably often when run from the CLion snap. But then apport eats my core. Run from the terminal it isn't crashing.
[14:28] <alan_g[m]> Who decided I wanted apport anyway...
[14:35] <Saviq> Does it not drop it in `/var/crash`?
[14:36] <alan_g[m]> It did not. I finally got it to crash outside a namespace and it landed in `/var/lib/apport/coredump/`
[14:38] <alan_g[m]> What I really want is "Please, before I cleanup the process would you like me to attach gdb and download symbols for any dependencies"?
[14:39] <Saviq> Something going that direction was recently presented at one of the sprints
[14:40] <alan_g[m]> Something like that was in Fedora when I was testing Mir there a few years ago
[14:40] <Saviq> Will try and find a reference
[14:41] <alan_g[m]> I don't want a reference (I saw it too), I want it an hour ago
[14:41] <Saviq> https://wiki.debian.org/Debuginfod anyway
[15:01] <Saviq> sophie I rebuilt Mir in the armhf environment with ccache, so it should behave better now. Using `-j4` is likely to help as well
[15:03] <sophie-w> Nice, I have some suspicions as to what's going wrong, but it's really weird that main also seems to be broken in that container.
[16:12] <sophie-w> Update: changing the name of our mmap wrapper (so real mmap is used instead) fixes the failing tests. It's definitely something to do with that.
[16:14] <alan_g[m]> In the past, things like that have turned out to signatures being different on different targets
[16:18] <Saviq> Good evening all o/
[16:28] <sophie-w> This looks suspiciously similar, however when I print `dlInfo.dli_fname` I get `/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so.6` (which seems correct), so maybe that's not the problem. https://optumsoft.com/dangers-of-using-dlsym-with-rtld_next/
[16:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [issue #2547](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2547): MultiThreadedCompositor.when_compositor_thread_fails_start_reports_error is flaky... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/bd8bfb7c511f0171021bb34aea49a50dc9ca5d30)
[16:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths assigned AlanGriffiths to [issue #2547](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2547): MultiThreadedCompositor.when_compositor_thread_fails_start_reports_error is flaky
[16:49] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** graysonguarino marked [pull request #80](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/80): Add crash reporter as ready for review
[17:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths drafted [pull request #2548](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2548): Don't destroy CompositingFunctors that are not ready
[17:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[17:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes: #2547
 "**[MirServer/ubuntu-frame..." <- Regarding this, I'm not *totally* sure if `draw()`ing in `CrashReporter::Self::draw_on_diag_update()` is wise. I am writing to the buffer from two different threads, but it `draw()`s under a lock, so that isn't a problem, right?
[17:17] <grayson-g[m]> > <@github:maunium.net> **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** graysonguarino marked [pull request #80](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/80): Add crash reporter as ready for review
[17:17] <grayson-g[m]>  * Regarding this, I'm not _totally_ sure if `draw()`ing in `CrashReporter::Self::draw_on_diag_update()` is wise. I am writing to the buffer from two different threads, but it `draw()`s under a lock, so that isn't a problem, right? It's worked properly in all my testing, but I'm not sure if this could become an issue.
[18:12] <grayson-g[m]> Moving that back to a draft because I wasn't thinking about the snap when I tested and I got a snap-related bug (plus I screwed up the merge).
[20:51] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/ubuntu-frame]** graysonguarino marked [pull request #80](https://github.com/MirServer/ubuntu-frame/pull/80): Add crash reporter as ready for review


[00:36] <mrmowgli> Anyone else using the wintv-hvr-1600 for cable tv?
[00:45] <mrmowgli> When running the mythtv-setup.real, how do you see the error log?  I don't think 'Fetch Channels From Listing Source' is working, and I'm using schedules direct
[01:05] <mrmowgli> when I try to run mplayer I get win32 LoadLibrary failed to load avisynth.dll
[01:05] <mrmowgli> how do I fix that?
[01:19] <mrmowgli> mythfilldatabase just doesn't seem to add any channels to my analog capture card, using schedulesdirect.org
[01:20] <mrmowgli> anyone know a troubleshooting guide or something for schedulesdirect?
[01:29] <mrmowgli> I actually get a http 401 error, unauthorized - then it tries again which is kinda screwy.  It does find my subscription and seems to find the listing info
[01:46] <mrmowgli> ok mythfilldatabase --refresh-all seems to have fixed it
[01:51] <mrmowgli> I vote for the livecd to install the kernel header and compiler's needed to get the current V4L drivers compiled as part of the install, or have them sucked down as part of the install.  I ran into more problems because my card Huappauge HVR-1600 drivers weren't on the livecd and the installer fails on setup leaving bogus data in various places.
[01:52] <mrmowgli> I'm still cleaning out cruft
[03:21] <TechTygr> Running into a problem installing 8.10... it doesn't install the drivers for my video card.  It's an nVidia GeForce4 MX 440, says the drivers need to be 96.x or older, and 8.10 is installing 173.x
[03:23] <toorima> are there any new features in 8.10 compared with 8.04?
[03:27] <toorima> TechTygr: isn't there some nvidia-legacy driver or something like it for older nvidia cards?
[03:29] <TechTygr> There is the older drivers, but when I try to install them, it still complains, "No device found"
[04:24] <mrmowgli> Anyone have an idea how to tell if a card is working properly? I'v got an Huappauge wintv-hvr-1600 and the drivers seem to load ok in dmesg and are detected by mythtv-setup but the 'Watch TV' doesn't do anything
[04:25] <mrmowgli> I tried to run mplayer on /dev/video0 and I get a 'Can't Seek' message
[04:25] <mrmowgli> I also have a /dev/video24 and a /dev/video32 - what are those?
[05:34] <mrmowgli> I get: eno:Device or resource busy (16)  / MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: error reading from: /dev/video0
[05:57] <planeracer> hio all
[05:57] <planeracer> anyone knows how to setup remote with 8.04?
[06:18] <mrmowgli> planeracer: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html
[06:18] <mrmowgli> do a search for lirc
[06:26] <planeracer> thx
[06:27] <superm1> or just use mcc
[06:27] <superm1> !mcc | planeracer
[06:27] <Zinn> planeracer: Mythbuntu Control Centre, one of the biggest advantages of Mythbuntu.  You can configure a lot of normally complex tasks from one location.  You can find it in your System menu after installing Mythbuntu.
[06:33] <planeracer> I tryed allready. I like to use my twinhan remote with it
[06:34] <planeracer> problem is now, digits works ok , but some other buttons is wrong
[06:35] <superm1> oh you might be describing a fun bug
[06:35] <planeracer> other think i like to install a wireless keyboard. I can even pair a keyboard with rf trans.
[06:35] <superm1> the digits work without LIRC
[06:35] <planeracer> when i restarting lirc, it goes ok
[06:35] <superm1> bug 279472
[06:35] <Zinn> Bug 279472 in lirc (Ubuntu) "Lirc does not respond after upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 Beta" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/279472
[06:36] <superm1> if your remote is using standard input stuff then this is what's probably happening
[06:36] <superm1> and you need to add an fdi file to block it like that bug
[06:37] <planeracer> I went adams how2. all looks ok, but no luck with remote
[06:38] <superm1> adam's how to?
[06:40] <mrmowgli> http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html#s8
[06:40] <planeracer> http://www.doctort.org/adam/nerd-notes/mythtv-and-the-twinhan-remote.html
[06:41] <superm1> things have probably changed a bit since then
[06:41] <superm1> especially with hal and X taking input devices
[07:12] <Herla> Hi all
[07:13] <Herla> I am currently running Mythbuntu 8.04.01 and I am trying to get nv ram wakeup to work
[07:14] <Herla> The box shutdowns and start up correctly but the problem is that if frontend is on more than five minutes and I shutdown the frontend then also mythwelcome crashes
[07:15] <Herla> I have read some topics from internet but didnt found the exact solution to the problem
[07:16] <superm1> get a trace on mythwelcome if you can
[07:17] <Herla> ok, how can I do that?
[07:17] <superm1> you can turn on apport by modifying /etc/default/apport
[07:17] <superm1> and make sure apport-gtk is installed
[07:18] <superm1> and hopefully you should see something like this next time it crashes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[07:18] <superm1> which can be submitted directly as a bug with (hopefully) a useful trace
[07:18] <Herla> if i have figured out right the problem is the following:
[07:18] <Herla> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/352315
[07:19] <superm1> ah ah its even been committed to trunk already
[07:19] <superm1> swell!
[07:21] <superm1> so if you are nice enough to laga, can get this into a weekly build
[07:22] <superm1> if you want to test the fix your self sooner, then you can always apt-get source mythtv
[07:22] <superm1> and apply this patch http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18671
[07:22] <superm1> but to see it land in the weeklies, i say just file a bug against mythtv in ubuntu and ask to pull that patch
[07:23] <superm1> too bad you couldn't report this 2 or 3 weeks ago, we could have squeezed it into intrepid :(
[07:23] <Herla> yep, i found this myself only few days ago
[07:25] <Herla> can you give me a clear advice how to apply this patch to my box?
[07:29] <superm1> not easily atm
[07:29] <superm1> i've written some directions on the forums at some point
[07:29] <superm1> but dont have that handy
[07:32] <Herla> but you think that this patch will come to weekly builds soon?
[07:51] <mrmowgli> I get: eno:Device or resource busy (16)  / MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: error reading from: /dev/video0
[07:51] <mrmowgli> I also have a /dev/video24 and a /dev/video32 - what are those?
[07:56] <mrmowgli> Anyone else using the Huappage wintv-hvr-1600 for cable tv?
[08:04] <mrmowgli> is selinux running on mythbuntu 8.04.01?
[08:31] <mrmowgli> Well one thing is for certain, don't set up any of the mythbackend-setup from the livecd
[10:34] <zeltak> hi
[10:34] <zeltak> can i ask a Q?
[13:06] <mrmowgli> anyone know why a previously recorded via a sceduled record doesn't show up in the Media Library?  I only see the livetv recordings
[13:06] <mrmowgli> ???
[14:36] <tgm4883_laptop> mrmowgli, sounds like you have you filter set to live tv only
[14:42] <mrmowgli> tgm4883_laptop: hmmm where is that under?
[14:42] <tgm4883_laptop> If you are in the frontend and in the scheduled recordings, I think you hit the guide button and select filters
[14:42] <mrmowgli> so it's when your setting up the recording?
[14:44] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[14:44] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry, go into "watch recordings"
[14:45] <tgm4883_laptop> then hit the guide button and change group filter
[14:45] <mrmowgli> Ah, don't have the remote working yet
[14:47] <mrmowgli> m key I think
[14:47] <mrmowgli> Ahhhhhh that did it
[14:47] <mrmowgli> Thanks!
[14:47] <tgm4883_laptop> np
[14:49] <mrmowgli> Now I can go to sleep happy
[14:55] <Chase> I want to add the frontend role to my system but I don't want to add all the artwork that gets installed with it
[14:55] <Chase> how can I do this?
[14:58] <tgm4883_laptop> you need to use synaptic.  Install mythtv-frontend
[14:58] <benzon> Got a minor problem trying to get apturl working but it dossent look like i got any luck with it ad all
[15:00] <tgm4883_laptop> benzon, you will get more help if you tell what the problem is
[15:01] <benzon> Its hard when you cant find the problem hehe :) used the guide to set up the apturl program so it works with firefox and even installed opera to se if that changed any thing
[15:02] <tgm4883_laptop> guide?
[15:02] <tgm4883_laptop> apturl should work OOBE
[15:02] <tgm4883_laptop> err, OOB
[15:03] <tgm4883_laptop> apturl should work OOB since gutsy, feisty is EOF so you shouldn't be using that anymore
[15:03] <tgm4883_laptop> bah
[15:03] <tgm4883_laptop> EOL
[15:03] <tgm4883_laptop> I need coffee
[15:03] <benzon> aha and im lost now with the OOB and EOF hehe
[15:04] <Chase> out of box and end of life
[15:04] <benzon> ahh
[15:05] <benzon> damn then i screwed it up proberly by installing it true sudo apt-get hehe
[15:07] <benzon> but hey screw that have to do a reinstall any ways - since im new to the mythbuntu, and messed arround alot in it just to learn it to know still missing my antenna cable hehe :D so cant use it for what its supposed to do
[15:08] <benzon> Just a nother question if i got a Microsoft IR Reciver, and MCE Remote, i shut sellect the MCE remote thats named something with philips inside the brackets right? - and MCE IR Reciver Direct
[15:09] <zeltak> hi guys
[15:09] <zeltak> i have a question
[15:09] <zeltak> does anyone know hoe to disable mythfrontend from popping up on startup?
[15:09] <zeltak> (ive tried cancelling the autorun)
[15:10] <zeltak> but it always pops up on bootup
[15:15] <benzon> that i cant help you with miss alot of the features from normal ubuntu
[15:15] <benzon> thinking about installing ubuntu and then adding mythbuntu to it
[16:55] <mighty-d> Hi
[16:55] <mighty-d> im having a bad time with mythtv on rc
[16:56] <mighty-d> i get No setting found for this machine's backenedserver
[16:56] <mighty-d> can you help me please?
[18:39] <Seeker`> my recordings seem to have recorded fine, and I can watch them, once
[18:40] <Seeker`> if i start watching them, go back to the main menu and try to watch anything else, i just get a blank screen, sound works fine though
[18:40] <Seeker`> if i restart mythfrontend, I am able to play a video again. once.
[18:52] <toorima> Seeker`: try starting mythfrontend from a terminal and see if you get any errors
[19:03] <Seeker`> toorima: not that I can see
[19:14] <foxbuntu> Seeker`, ati card?
[19:15] <Seeker`> foxbuntu: nvidia
[19:15] <foxbuntu> Seeker`, which card?
[19:16] <Seeker`> 6600 I think
[19:16] <foxbuntu> Seeker`, are using you using OpenGL for your painter?
[19:16] <foxbuntu> or QT?
[19:19] <Seeker`> foxbuntu: OpenGL
[19:21] <foxbuntu> Seeker`, ok..google for the nvidia xorg options and play around with them, prob something to do with overlay and/or vsync, you can also get at some of the options via nvidia-settings
[19:25] <Seeker`> fixed it
[19:26] <Seeker`> I changed one of the options to use opengl as the renderer in the playback options - this was obviously a mistake
[19:27] <foxbuntu> good
[19:27] <foxbuntu> glad you fixed it
[19:28] <benzon> okay i got a problem, im able to find loads of channels when i do a scan but when i launch the frontend - im trying to push watch tv
[19:29] <benzon> but it makes a short flicker and returns to the selection part again
[20:56] <a1fa> ;)
[20:56] <a1fa> woo
[20:56] <a1fa> i would like to dist-upgrade from 8.4 to 8.10
[20:57] <a1fa> what is the best way?
[20:57] <hads> update-manager
[20:57] <hads> update-manager -d will let you upgrade to devel releases
[20:58] <a1fa> is that the current release 8.10 RC?
[20:58] <hads> Is what?
[20:58] <a1fa> devel release?
[20:58] <hads> Yes, it's a devel release.
[20:59] <a1fa> hm.. so when stable gets rolled out
[20:59] <a1fa> how do you switch from devel to stable?
[20:59] <hads> You don't need to switch, it's automatic
[21:00] <a1fa> what agp card do you recommend?
[21:01] <a1fa> my nvidia 7600 burned up a month ago
[21:01] <hads> Nvidia work well
[21:02] <a1fa> 7xxx series is hard to come by
[21:02] <a1fa> nothing on newegg
[21:02] <a1fa> is there a card in particular?
[21:03] <hads> No
[21:04] <a1fa> i may go with 7600 again
[21:04] <a1fa> at $90 its a bit pricey
[21:08] <a1fa> brb
[21:25] <Decepticon> will mythbantu come out when ubuntau comes out ?
[21:25] <Decepticon> 8.10
[21:35] <TechTygr> Running into a problem installing 8.10... it doesn't install the drivers for my video card.  It's an nVidia GeForce4 MX 440, says the drivers need to be 96.x or older, and 8.10 is installing 173.x
[21:35] <TechTygr> (Decided to post this when I'm not falling asleep at the keyboard)
[21:42] <superm1> TechTygr, unfortunately NV does not have drivers for 96.xx for 8.10
[21:43] <TechTygr> That's what I was afraid of
[21:43] <TechTygr> Then... does anyone have a 7.10 ISO I can get?
[21:45] <superm1> 8.04.1 will be fine
[21:51] <toorima> what packages do i need to install to make my 8.04 mythbuntu into a printserver
[21:51] <toorima> cups and what more?
[21:52] <TechTygr> superm1: 8.04.1 won't install on the box... it goes through the motions, then boots into the liveCD afterwards
[21:53] <superm1> toorima, cupsys i think, and probably a gui tool for managing it
[21:53] <superm1> TechTygr, that sounds right, if it boots into the livecd? what's wrong?
[21:53] <toorima> superm1: k thx
[21:53] <TechTygr> I'm not booting into the liveCD, I'm doing the install
[21:54] <superm1> both will get the same goal though
[21:54] <TechTygr> It goes through, asks all the questions, looks like it installs, then starts the liveCD
[21:54] <superm1> you can install when booted into the live cd
[21:54] <TechTygr> And when I do, it goes through, asks all the questions, looks like it installs, then starts the liveCD
[21:54] <superm1> so it crashes the session?
[21:54] <TechTygr> Near as I can tell... I wasn't watching both times I tried
[22:09] <TechTygr> Going to rerun the install again
[22:15] <Decepticon> will mythbantu 8.10 come out when ubuntau 8.10 come out?
[22:21] <TechTygr> Booted into the LiveCD, and ran 'Install Mythbuntu', selected the nvidia GeForce2-4 driver
[22:29] <TechTygr> Where does 8.04.1 store its install logs?
[22:34] <andreita> im having some bad time with mythtv, when i try to play some tv i get GetEntryAt(-1) failed.  and then a message failed to get pginfo, what should i do?
[22:34] <andreita> so far i can see the channels on mplayer
[22:34] <andreita> but not on mythtv
[22:38] <Mighty-D> im having some bad time with mythtv, when i try to play some tv i get GetEntryAt(-1) failed.  and then a message failed to get pginfo, what should i do?
[23:16] <TechTygr> OK, that's screwy... Installing from the menu at the beginning, it keeps failing
[23:17] <TechTygr> Let it boot to the LiveCD, it installed fine
[23:23] <fishsponge_> hey people - does anyone have a script to automatically generate thumbnails for video files?
[23:23] <fishsponge_> iv'e download one off the web, but it just doesn't work.. does anyone have a working one?
[23:31] <tgm4883_laptop> fishsponge_, I think oobe has one
[23:32] <tgm4883_laptop> fishsponge_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938760
[23:37] <hicK> Hello,  I am interested in Mythbuntu.  I have 1 desktop I just put Ubuntu on and love it.  I will be building a HTPC with a TV-TUNER to record OTA HIDEF programming and watching DVD/BLUERAY movies with it.
[23:37] <fishsponge_> thanks for that tgm4883_laptop but it all seems to be related to imdb - these videos are going to be in IMDB, so i think i need a different script...
[23:37] <fishsponge_> *aren't going to be in IMDB
[23:38] <hicK> I will also need it to use Firefox (or similar) and to Play counter-strike over the TV.  My question is should i use mybunutu or ubuntu with add ons?
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> fishsponge_, read the post
[23:39] <fishsponge_> hmm... i thought i had... i'll read it again
[23:39] <tgm4883_laptop> hicK, either is the same
[23:41] <hicK> I was under the impression that mythbuntu pretty much took everything out of ubuntu and was strickly for HTPC's.
[23:42] <oobe> fishsponge_, its an all in one script it will simple ignore videos that arnt in the movie directory you specify
[23:42] <oobe> you need to specify the paths
[23:43] <oobe> i think i need to re write that howto as people seem confused to its purpose
[23:46] <fishsponge_> oobe: none of my videos are in any onliine movie directory anywhere... so does this actually generate thumbnails, or is it just for downloading info and pictures from mthe internet?
[23:46] <fishsponge_> i've re-read it and i can't see anywhere where it actually generates thumbnails from the videos themselves...
[23:46] <oobe> if you all you want is to add thumbnails the just run metacleanup.sh
[23:47] <oobe> you need to edit it to your correct details
[23:47] <fishsponge_> ah, OK, so metacleanup.sh is what generates thumbnails...
[23:48] <fishsponge_> i've just run "./metacleanup.sh" and it just complains about a lack of a cover file
[23:51] <fishsponge_> ERROR: Couldn't find any data for show bikes.mpeg, not updating
[23:51] <fishsponge_> i think i'll give up on this tonight... i'm falling asleep...
[23:51] <oobe> fishsponge_, its purpose is to do more than thumbnails
[23:51] <oobe> thats all its talking about
[23:51] <fishsponge_> thanksk for the help people, but if this really is for generating thumbnails, oobe could you please /msg me so i can follow it up?
[23:51] <oobe> it will still make them
[23:52] <fishsponge_> oobe: i can't get it to generate thumbnails, let alone do more...
[23:52] <oobe> did you edit the script
[23:52] <oobe> or just ignore the instuctions and blindly hope it works with little effort
[23:53] <fishsponge_> i edited the variable at the top - i've not edited anything else though because the script says i don't have to unless i've moved the other scripts
[23:53] <fishsponge_> i've put in my paths and password
[23:53] <fishsponge_> MOVIEHOME is my movies root dir
[23:53] <fishsponge_> POSTERHOME=/home/username/.mythtv/MythVideo/Images/
[23:54] <fishsponge_> and i'm running "./metacleanup.sh"
[23:55] <fishsponge_> also... i have several videos with the same filename, but in different folders... does this script cope with that?
[23:55] <oobe> you need to put your mysql password in aswell
[23:56] <fishsponge_> i notice that THUMBNAIL="$POSTERHOME/$TITLE.jpg"     which would mean 01.mpg from one folder and 01.mpg from another folder would both share the same thumbnail! is this true?
[23:56] <oobe> yeah that will make things difficult if all your videos have the same name in different folders
[23:56] <fishsponge_> oobe: i did put the password in - it's finding all the files from the database, but then saying     ERROR: Couldn't find any data for show AstonH_21_4_John.mpg, not updating
[23:57] <fishsponge_> in that case, i think i'll write my own script when i can be bothered! lol
[23:57] <fishsponge_> and then make it public, of course :-)
[23:57] <oobe> that just means its not scraping a database for that title info
[23:58] <fishsponge_> but it's not doing thumbnails either... it's not generating them, and it's not putting them in the database
[23:58] <fishsponge_> anyway, i'm going to bed i'm afraid... can't keep my eyes open any more and have a presentation to give first thing in the morning!
[23:58] <fishsponge_> thanks for your help though!
[23:58] <fishsponge_> given that i have videos all of the same name though, very often, i think this script is not good for my needs... it did look promising though!'
[23:59] <oobe> promising is an understatement


[05:28] <Guest91271> have some knowledge about idjc, streaming out is very low outcome on the internetradio, but cannot see anything to change these in the gui by frerence or something else :|
[05:32] <johanvds> seems in sleepingmode :|
[09:41] <SuperRoach> hello. Is it ok to update ubuntustudio 12.10 to 13.04 using the software update prompt?
[10:54] <vesko> hello dudes
[10:54] <vesko> I just installed ubuntustudio and I need help about raw1394
[10:55] <vesko> I have old mini dv cam
[10:55] <vesko> and I want to download content form it on the PC
[10:56] <vesko> the cam is connected with my PC with firewire adapter
[10:59] <vesko> I want to use Kino application as I used before
[11:00] <vesko> when I used debian etch
[11:01] <vesko> I don't wnat to install windows xp to work with the cam
[11:12] <zequence> vesko: The way firewire stuff works is a little different these days
[11:12] <zequence> vesko: There's a new firewire stack in the kernel
[11:13] <vesko> so what I must to so?
[11:13] <zequence> all known audio devices are given user privilege through the audio group
[11:13] <vesko> so what I must to do?
[11:13] <zequence> I haven't looked at video devices -  let me google a bit
[11:13] <vesko> ok
[11:13] <vesko> thank you!
[11:14] <vesko> I'm waiting
[11:15] <zequence> http://sharpeespace.blogspot.se/2012/06/capturing-firewire-1394-camcorder.html
[11:15] <zequence> So, there seems to be a permission problem
[11:16] <zequence> And could be kino is not modernized yet, don't know
[11:16] <zequence> Otherwise, one could probably set up permissions as with audio devices
[11:17] <zequence> vesko: You can find the udev rules for audio devices here /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[11:17] <zequence> But, as said, it's not sure at all kino would work with a similar rule set up for the mini dv
[11:18] <zequence> SuperRoach: We recommend doing a fresh install, but it should be quite safe to do the upgrade. Some people experience a few glitches from doing an upgrade
[11:19] <vesko> I just installed ubuntu studio before 30 min
[11:20] <vesko> SUBSYSTEM!="firewire", GOTO="ffado_end"
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000166", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # TC GROUP A/S
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x0001f2", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Mark of the Unicorn, Inc. (aka MOTU)
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x0003db", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Apogee Electronics Corp.
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000595", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Alesis Corporation
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x0007f5", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Bridgeco Co AG
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000a92", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Presonus Corporation
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000aac", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # TerraTec Electronic GmbH
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000d6c", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # M-Audio
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000f1b", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Ego Systems Inc.
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000ff2", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Loud Technologies Inc.
[11:20] <zequence> vesko: Please don't paste text here
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x001260", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Stanton Magnetics,inc.
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x00130e", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Focusrite Audio Engineering Limited
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x001486", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Echo Digital Audio Corporation
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x001496", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Phonic Corporation
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x001564", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # BEHRINGER Spezielle Studiotechnik GmbH
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x001c2d", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # FlexRadio Systems
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x001c6a", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Weiss Engineering Ltd.
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x0040ab", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # ROLAND DG CORPORATION
[11:20] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x000f64", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # DnR
[11:20] <vesko> # The devices below are by vendors who make other firewire devices in
[11:21] <vesko> # addition to their audio interfaces.  They need more specific rules to
[11:21] <vesko> # ensure only audio interfaces are covered here.
[11:21] <vesko> ATTR{vendor}=="0x00022e", ATTR{model}=="0x010067", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_FFADO}="1" # Tascam, a subsiduary of TEAC (the OUI is TEAC's)
[11:21] <vesko> # The devices below abuse another Vendor's ID, and therefore we need more advanced rules for those.
[11:21] <vesko> this is the rules
[11:21] <vesko> ok sorry
[11:21] <zequence> vesko: As i said, those are rules for audio devices. Not video devices
[11:21] <vesko> I see
[11:24] <zequence> vesko: Did you try what the blog suggested?
[11:24] <vesko> no, I see it
[11:24] <vesko> I see it now
[11:24] <zequence> The thing you have to realize is that when you use an application as root, the output files will not be writable by the user
[11:25] <zequence> vesko: If it works, make sure you put the files in the root folder, which is in /root
[11:25] <zequence> Ah, well. doesn't really matter
[11:25] <zequence> But, you'll need to change the permissions for the files aftwerwards
[11:25] <vesko> you talk about this blog: http://sharpeespace.blogspot.se/2012/06/capturing-firewire-1394-camcorder.html
[11:26] <vesko> is it?
[11:26] <zequence> yes
[11:29] <vesko> I tried, but kino says:
[11:30] <vesko> No AV/C compliant cam connected or switched on
[11:30] <vesko> I'll try with windows XP
[11:30] <zequence> vesko: you probably need to reconnect the device after you made the link
[11:30] <vesko> OK
[11:31] <zequence> This creates a link, called raw1394 "sudo ln /dev/fw0 /dev/raw1394"
[11:31] <zequence> In the /dev folder, where all the devices are
[11:32] <zequence> Any sign of the computer recoginizing the cam at all?
[11:32] <zequence> wait, let me see..
[11:33] <vesko> no I reconnected the cam but the same
[11:34] <vesko> I need to try if it works with windows first because I started to think that the problem maybe is in the hardware
[11:35] <zequence> Well, ok. But, doesn't seem like enough people are working on this
[11:37] <vesko> if it still work with win xp, I'll install on one partition debian lenny or etch
[11:38] <vesko> now I'm burning live dvd with win xp
[11:40] <vesko> thank you for your help zequence
[11:40] <vesko> see you
[20:07] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[20:07] <holstein> !audio
[20:08] <holstein> !proaudio


[01:50] <jjesse> i never remember these simple things, if there is a lock is bzr break-lock or force break-lock?
[01:57] <mwh> jjesse: that doesn't seem like an actual question
[01:59] <jjesse> mwh: if i get a locking problem, how do i break it?
[01:59] <jjesse> bzr force break-lock?
[01:59] <mwh> bzr break-lock
[01:59] <jjesse> do i have to be the one who has it locked?
[01:59] <mwh> uh, i don't think so
[02:00] <mwh> you need to be able to write to the branch
[02:00] <mwh> (but i'd hope that was obvious)
[02:00] <mwh> it may work better over sftp rather than bzr+ssh
[02:00] <jjesse> mwh: ok will try that
[02:38] <dcode> is there any plan to ever release the source of launchpad?  or is it to remain IP of Canonical?
[02:38] <dcode> sorry if that's a dupe...I didn't seem to be connected
[02:43] <Hobbsee> eventually, is the plan
[02:43] <dcode> okay....I wasn't looking for a date or anything....just the general idea of the plan
[02:44] <dcode> that's cool though....it's the cleanest project tool I've used to date by far...I love it
[03:24] <musashi> are there any admins here that can look into some inappropriate posts on answers?
[03:25] <musashi> see https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23430
[03:25] <musashi> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23366
[03:27] <musashi> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/23439
[03:28] <musashi> and others by aznmhc see rather pointless
[03:29] <musashi> s/see/seem
[03:54] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: please see https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/~mhc7791
[05:09] <skyfaller_ppc> hey folks... the person who is "team owner"
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> on my "team
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> has gone missing
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> do you folks know who I should talk to to get admin powers in his place?
[05:10] <skyfaller_ppc> it's https://launchpad.net/~fcowebteam  if you're curious
[05:10] <Fujitsu> skyfaller_ppc: Ask a question on the launchpad project, as no admins appear to be around.
[05:11] <skyfaller_ppc> Fujitsu: could you give me a link?
[05:12] <Fujitsu> skyfaller_ppc: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[05:13] <skyfaller_ppc> Fujitsu: thanks! :)
[07:20] <Laibsch> I am getted repeated rejects with "MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive. Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification."
[07:20] <Laibsch> I verified the md5sums and everything is OK
[07:20] <Laibsch> What is the likely problem?
[07:20] <Laibsch> s/getted/getting/
[07:26] <stdin> Laibsch: have you uploaded anything to the repository (I'm guessing PPA?) before?
[07:27] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: is an .orig.tar.gz referenced in the source.changes?
[07:27] <Laibsch> stdin: yes
[07:27] <Laibsch> worked fine
[07:28] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive
[07:28] <Laibsch> I deleted the failed packages now
[07:28] <stdin> Laibsch: are you trying to upload another version or the same one but for another version of ubuntu?
[07:28] <Laibsch> Hobbsee: I don't think so, let me check
[07:28] <Laibsch> stdin: this is about qemu
[07:29] <Laibsch> stdin: I had been trying for different version
[07:29] <Laibsch> s
[07:29] <Laibsch> Let me prepare the thing and put it up on a webserver so you guys can take a look
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: which version of qemu are you uploading?
[07:31] <Laibsch> 0.9.1
[07:31] <Laibsch> but a patched version
[07:31] <Laibsch> http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/
[07:31] <Laibsch> the qemu stuff in there
[07:32] <stdin> what's the version in debian/changelog ?
[07:33] <Laibsch> stdin: http://oz.leggewie.org/wip/qemu_0.9.1-0oh1ubuntu1_source.changes
[07:33] <Laibsch> 0.9.1-0oh1ubuntu1
[07:33] <Laibsch> What I did to prepare this is "debchange && debuild -S && dput -f ../qemu*.changes"
[07:34] <stdin> ahh, you need "debuild -S -sa" to make sure the source is uploaded too
[07:34] <stdin> also, why -0oh1ubuntu1 ?
[07:34] <Hobbsee> stdin: it's native...
[07:34] <stdin> as opposed to  "-0ubuntu1~ppa1"
[07:35] <stdin> Hobbsee: ah, duh :P
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: do you have a crappyconnection?
[07:36] <Laibsch> no
[07:36] <Laibsch> not at all
[07:37] <Laibsch> stdin: I am fairly new to packaging debs
[07:37] <Laibsch> ipks only so far ;-)
[07:37]  * Laibsch will try -sa
[07:37] <stdin> Laibsch: did you create an orig.tar.gz ?
[07:37] <Laibsch> no
[07:38] <Laibsch> there was none
[07:38] <Hobbsee> if it's native, there won't *be* an orig.tar.gz
[07:38] <Laibsch> what is native?
[07:38] <stdin> Hobbsee: it's not supposed to be native afaik
[07:38] <Hobbsee> stdin: by version number, though...
[07:42] <Laibsch> guys, what is native?
[07:42] <Laibsch> stdin: -sa is not documented in "man debuild"
[07:43] <stdin> Laibsch: "man dpkg-buildpackage"
[07:44] <stdin> debuild calls dpkg-buildpackage (amongst other things)
[07:46] <stdin> Laibsch: you need to move debian out of the qemu directory, then "mv qemu qemu-0.9.1" then make an orig.tar.gz "tar czf qemu_0.9.1.orig.tar.gz qemu-0.9.1" then move the debian dir back in and rebuild the package. a native package is one that is build for debian only, it has no .orig.tar.gz and no diff.gz
[07:47] <Laibsch> OK
[07:47] <Laibsch> Thanks for the explanation
[07:47] <stdin> you may also want to change the version, bacause -0oh1ubuntu1 won't be replaced by an official -0ubuntu1
[07:47] <Laibsch> I think I was kind of going for the native version even for non-native packages
[07:47] <stdin> it's a good idea to add "~ppa1" to the end too
[07:47] <Laibsch> Uploading the complete source makes sure it is available ;-)
[07:48] <stdin> Laibsch: if it's native, then every time you change something, you need to re-upload the whole source again
[07:48] <stdin> that's why you'll only see some small packages that are native
[07:49] <Laibsch> what would be a good version?
[07:49] <stdin> personally, I'd go for "0.9.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1"
[07:50] <Laibsch> 0.9.1-0ubuntu1-oh~ppa1
[07:50] <Laibsch> ?
[07:50] <Laibsch> OK, thank you for the suggestion
[07:50] <stdin> what's with you and the "oh"'s? :p
[07:50] <Laibsch> I want the oh in there as an indication for openedhand
[07:50] <Laibsch> The guys preparing all the qemu patches
[07:51] <stdin> Laibsch: then have it "0.9.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~openhand1" or "0.9.1-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~oh1" ;)
[07:52] <Laibsch> Basically, I just package " svn co http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/misc/trunk qemu-packaging"
[07:54] <stdin> a good way to do that is to have a svn copy, then "cp svn-dir working-dir; find working-dir -type d -name ".svn" -exex rm -r {} +" then "mv working-dir package-version"
[07:54] <stdin> then you can tar it up into an orig.tar.gz and create your debian stuff after
[07:55] <Fujitsu> stdin: What's wrong with `svn export'?
[07:55] <stdin> Fujitsu: nothing, if it works. I'd had some problems with it a while ago and just got into the habit of doing it manually
[07:55] <Laibsch> BTW, another question if I may, how do I easily create packages for all ubuntu versions from the same source?
[07:56] <Laibsch> dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy, hardy
[07:56] <Laibsch> Just debchange and replace the version?
[07:56] <Fujitsu> You'll need to change the version string and release in the changelog.
[07:57] <Fujitsu> One would normally dch -i, set the release to gutsy, and append ~gutsy1 to the version.
[07:57] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[08:24] <Laibsch> It seems debuild made a native package again
[08:24] <Laibsch> What do I need to name the orig tar for version  0.9.1-0oh1~ubuntu1 ?
[08:26] <stdin> qemu-0.9.1.orig.tar.gz
[08:27] <Laibsch> Ah, thanks
[08:37] <carlos> morning
[08:59] <Laibsch> I guess I am back to square one
[08:59] <Laibsch> The tar file is not being uploaded, it seems
[08:59] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/~r0lf/+archive/
[09:00] <Laibsch> Why is the orig.tar.gz not referenced in *.changes?
[09:00] <Laibsch> Do I need the -sa switch?
[09:00] <stdin> yes
[09:01] <Laibsch> OK, thanks
[09:02] <stdin> you may have to bump the version in order for it to upload, or remove the old package (which will take time to actually be removed)
[10:02] <coolbhavi>  hi
[10:02] <coolbhavi>  I cant access launchpad...
[10:02] <coolbhavi> It comes connected to launchpad and then no activity
[10:02] <coolbhavi> I can access other sites
[10:03] <coolbhavi> its happening from past 3 hours
[10:04] <coolbhavi> Launchpad page opening is mighty slow..
[10:05] <intellectronica> coolbhavi: really? any URL, or anything specifically?
[10:05] <kiko> coolbhavi, sounds like problems with your internet connectivity
[10:05] <kiko> coolbhavi, have you tried to "mtr launchpad.net" and seeing what the packet loss looks like?
[10:05] <coolbhavi> No
[10:06] <coolbhavi> Not a problem with my internet connectivity
[10:11] <oojah> Seems to be working fine here.
[10:14] <coolbhavi> --- launchpad.net ping statistics ---
[10:14] <coolbhavi> 68 packets transmitted, 34 received, 50% packet loss, time 67258ms
[10:14] <coolbhavi> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 422.024/435.886/459.624/11.294 ms
[10:17] <kiko> 50% packet loss is pretty high coolbhavi
[10:17] <kiko> you can use mtr to figure out where it is happening
[10:17] <coolbhavi> yes
[10:17] <coolbhavi> OK
[10:22] <coolbhavi> vanadium.canonical.com 51.7% packet loss
[10:31] <coolbhavi> Any suggestions?
[10:38] <simira> Beklager at dette har tatt lang tid! Det har stoppet opp litt med administrasjonen i teamet. Håper du fortsatt vil bidra med oversettelser!
[10:38] <simira> oops
[10:38] <simira> sorry, mipaste
[11:09] <mgunes> is marking blueprints as obsoleted no longer possible, or can it be done only by the drafter?
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #187285 in soyuz "queue reject fails with TypeError" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187285
[11:16] <intellectronica> mgunes: no, it should be possible to mark blueprints as obsolete, as long as you have the permissions to set the blueprints' status
[11:17] <intellectronica> mgunes: more specifically, what are you looking at?
[11:17] <mgunes> intellectronica, just figured that out, thank you.
[12:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:01] <Fujitsu> Morning mpt.
[12:02] <kiko> yo mpt
[12:04] <Hobbsee> evening mpt
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #187297 in rosetta "po-files exported from rosetta contain insufficient information about translator credits" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187297
[13:54] <Hobbsee> now, why can't i search bzr branches?
[13:56] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: What fields would you search on?
[13:56] <Fujitsu> Or, where are you trying to search?
[13:57] <Hobbsee> hm, by name of the branch, or by project i think
[13:57] <Hobbsee> i thought we used to have a search for it
[13:57] <Hobbsee> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/
[13:57] <Hobbsee> or at least a "filter by: <box>"
[13:58] <Fujitsu> Hm, you're right. It used to be a textbox followed by a status selector.
[13:58] <Fujitsu> I guess 1.2.1 fixed that.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> fsvo "fixed".  how was it broken?
[14:00] <Hobbsee> in fact, being able to filter by the first 5 options in that dropdown look good...
[14:01] <Hobbsee> ie, automagically filter if "hardy" is in the title, project name, lifecycle status (yes, i know there are easier ways to do it), branhc name, or register name.
[14:01] <Hobbsee> project or name would be the most useful
[14:08] <kiko> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: guess thumper did away with it in one of the previous month's changes. file a bug on him, I'm sure he'll get it
[14:11] <Hobbsee> kiko: ...yay.  will do
[14:12]  * Hobbsee wonders how one accidently does away with features.
[14:14] <Fujitsu> kiko: You don't happen to know what criteria Launchpad uses to decide if a branch is to be marked as dormant, do you?
[14:15] <kiko> Hobbsee, one doesn't use them, doesn't check if other users do, and removes them. it's pretty easy.
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #187312 in launchpad "Standalone global announcements page doesn't seem useful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187312
[14:16] <kiko> Fujitsu, I don't -- it used to be just abandoned branches, and there's no hint in the page help.
[14:16] <Fujitsu> I did try to check the page help, and was rather surprised to see there was actually some there, albeit not useful for this.
[14:17] <Fujitsu> I presume it's something to do with how recently the branch has been updated, or it would be redundant with the status selector.
[14:22] <kiko> Fujitsu, agreed. time to ask a question on launchpad-bazaar and get thumper to update the page help <wink>
[14:23] <Fujitsu> The latter being achieved by filing a bug?
[14:25] <Fujitsu> Um, is /people/+teamlist not respecting the inactive/merged flag? I see a few that seem to have been merged with others, so 404.
[14:59] <kiko> Fujitsu, bug too
[15:21] <ingrediant> http://PRIVAT-GEKNIPST.dnsdojo.net/?id=5420a7e0
[16:19] <ScottK> I'm bug contact for a package and now on a team that's bug contact for the same package.  I get two copies of the bugmail.  Bug or Feature?
[16:20] <Hobbsee> ScottK: bug
[16:20] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm
[16:20]  * Hobbsee can't see how that would be intentional.
[16:21]  * Hobbsee can't see how removing search dialog boxes are intentional though, either.
[16:21] <Hobbsee> mpt: are there efforts going on to make the launchpad tables act the same way?  ie, click on a column, and they sort by that column?
[16:21] <Hobbsee> having some that do, and some that don't is confusing
[16:22] <Hobbsee> see https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?batch=500 for those that do
[16:29] <mpt> Hobbsee, we know that needs doing, but nobody is working on it at the moment afaik
[16:30] <Hobbsee> mpt: right
[16:32] <mpt> bug 98950, bug 61735
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98950 in rosetta "Column sorting doesn't work on distribution series language pages" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98950
[16:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 61735 in malone "Can't sort by column on +reportedbugs, +subscribedbugs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61735
[16:33] <mpt> It needs reporting for each *type of* page where it's missing, because it needs to be implemented separately for each type afaict
[16:38]  * ScottK braves the new bug reporting scream at you box to report the bug then.
[16:41] <ScottK> Hobbsee: After it turned out removing *-security from *-changes mail was intentional, I no longer make assumptions about the design.
[16:43] <elmo> is there a bug about being able to search for bugs against a specific project?  I can't seem to see that option in advanced search
[16:44] <mrevell> Launchpad users meeting in #launchpad-meeting in 15 minutes.
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #187346 in launchpad "Multiple bug mails received when both package bug contact and on a team that's contact" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187346
[16:57] <mpt> elmo, what page are you on where you expect to be able to see that option?
[16:57] <mpt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[16:59] <elmo> mpt: actually, no, I was going the wrong way round
[16:59] <elmo> mpt: I went to my page, to try and search from there
[16:59] <elmo> eventually figured I have to go to the project page's bugs and advanced search from there
[17:00] <mrevell> users meeting in #launchpad-meeting now! :)
[17:02] <mpt> elmo, maybe that should have worked
[17:03] <mpt> e.g. maybe the search field on your Bugs page should have contained "involving:elmo" by default, which you could have deleted before entering "package:name-of-package-here" then your search terms
[17:03] <elmo> mpt: that'd be nice
[17:04] <elmo> mpt: the UI for advanced search is sucky in a couple of other ways too
[17:04] <elmo> mpt: the tag madness, which I have to assume is known, for a start
[17:04] <mpt> yeah
[17:04] <elmo> mpt:  but also the tick boxes for status, some of which are implicit, AFAICT
[17:04] <intellectronica> elmo: the tag madness?
[17:04] <mpt> Yes, if you uncheck all of them it searches for everything except Invalid + Won't Fix + Fix Released
[17:04] <mpt> Too many pages and controls, not enough power
[17:05] <elmo> intellectronica: https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Eelmo/+bugs?advanced=1
[17:05] <mpt> That looks like milestone madness to me
[17:06] <intellectronica> elmo: right, you mean the milestone madness
[17:06] <elmo> oh, right
[17:06] <elmo> I saw a long list of crap
[17:06] <elmo> assumed it was tags ;-)
[17:06] <elmo> sorry
[17:06] <intellectronica> yeah that's bonkers
[17:06] <mpt> bug 50970
[17:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50970 in malone "Don't list irrelevant milestones for person Bugs advanced search" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50970
[17:06] <intellectronica> that entire page could do with a redesign
[17:06] <mpt> first reported on 2006-06-26 by  Matthew Paul Thomas
[17:07] <intellectronica> sorry, elmo, i only picked that up because we introduced new behaviour for tag searches, and i wanted to hear if ppl have problems with it
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #187353 in launchpad-answers "project/+myquestions initial search uses different criteria than those shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187353
[17:12] <mpt> elmo, but if we didn't have an implicit default for status search, then by unchecking all the statuses it'd be possible to do a search that always returned zero results, and what would be the point of that? :-)
[17:18] <elmo> mpt: then don't allow them all to be unchecked - but "nothing selected => 3 states selected you don't know about, haha" is evil
[17:20] <mpt> fair point
[17:20] <mpt> though GUIs don't (and therefore HTML forms don't) have a standard "at least one of these" widget
[17:21] <elmo> yeah
[17:39] <edu710> hi everyone
[17:39] <edu710> i discover this forum by the launchpad-meeting
[17:40] <mrevell> edu710: welcome :)
[17:40] <edu710> re hi
[17:40] <edu710> ;-))
[17:41] <edu710> a good page https://help.launchpad.net/
[17:42] <Iulian> Indeed
[17:44] <ssh_rdp> Hi, just a question? those this url works for you? http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~exaile-devel/exaile/main/files
[17:45] <ssh_rdp> I am trying to branch lp:exaile and it doesn't work
[17:48] <ssh_rdp> It gives me a CherryPy error
[17:52] <LaserJock> quick question, is it possible to let *any* team member set the team as a bug contact?
[17:53] <LaserJock> I haven't found any option for it but I could be looking in the wrong place
[18:13] <mpt> Hobbsee, what did you mean by "removing search dialog boxes"?
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #187367 in launchpad "Offering mentorship seems to be a no-op" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187367
[18:21] <PaulSmits> is it possible for a translator to ask the developers a question about a certain word, sentence, etc.?
[18:29] <LaserJock> PaulSmits: you can always try :-)
[18:29] <mpt> elmo, the statuses problem is bug 150867
[18:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150867 in malone "Status defaults in advanced search page are misleading" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150867
[18:31] <ubotu> New bug: #187369 in malone "Can't use any Bugs search form for searching in any context" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187369
[18:31] <elmo> mpt: thanks
[18:35] <PaulSmits> yes, im trying, LaserJock... but it might be a nice feature: being able to (directly) ask a developing team about a word/sentence/etc that's hard to translate because of e.g. double meanings.
[18:36] <LaserJock> PaulSmits: ah
[18:36] <LaserJock> that's a good question
[18:41] <PaulSmits> so i figure it isn't possible?
[18:42] <mpt> PaulSmits, it's not possible within Launchpad
[18:42] <PaulSmits> ok
[18:42] <mpt> but you should be able to go to "Overview" (perhaps opening the link in a separate window) and find out who the developers are, and get their contact info
[18:43] <LaserJock> PaulSmits: it wouldn't seem feasible from LP directly as I don't know that LP would know who to talk to
[18:43] <LaserJock> but yeah, as mpt said, it should be fairly straightforwad to figure out an email list or something to ask
[18:44] <mpt> bug 211 might be relevant here
[18:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211 in rosetta "Add comments to POFile for communication between translators" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211
[18:50] <anathaniel> hi there
[18:50] <anathaniel> looking for an Ubuntu enthusiast from Bangalore
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #187376 in soyuz "Distribution source package release page links to non-existent distribution series source package release page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187376
[18:52] <anathaniel> anybody there?
[18:52] <PaulSmits> i found this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rosetta/+spec/suggestion-approve-rejection-explanation
[18:52] <PaulSmits> seems to solve the problem a bit
[18:54] <mpt> anathaniel, this channel is about Launchpad, not about Ubuntu or India
[18:54] <mpt> anathaniel, I suggest looking for an Indian Ubuntu LoCo team on the Ubuntu Web site
[18:57] <anathaniel> ok
[18:57] <anathaniel> thanks mpt
[18:57] <anathaniel> is there an Ubuntu room on Freenode?
[18:57] <mtaylor> anathaniel: yup... #ubuntu
[18:58] <anathaniel> thanks mtaylor
[19:06] <PaulSmits> where can i find information about the next meeting?
[19:30] <thumper> Hobbsee: what'd I kill?
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #187410 in launchpad "In launchpad translations, adding a second template doesn't work if the name of the second template is a prefix of the first" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187410
[23:06] <Odd_Bloke> What's the best way to upgrade a branch from knits to packs?  Rename the old one to something else and push the new one?
[23:07] <Rinchen> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/developers/packrepo.html#upgrading-an-existing-branch-or-repository-to-knitpack-format
[23:08] <Rinchen> Odd_Bloke, look just above that for the --upgrade method
[23:13] <Odd_Bloke> Oh yeah, totally forgot I could upgrade remotely. /o\
[23:13] <Odd_Bloke> Rinchen: Thanks. :)
[23:14] <Rinchen> Odd_Bloke, you're welcome!


[01:58] <OvenWerks> holstein: ZFS looks pretty good. I think in a higher class production facility where a number of disks are used in a machine, disk read/write speeds could be improved as well as the data protection benefits.
[01:59] <OvenWerks> Fuse zfs would not help though.
[01:59] <OvenWerks> interesting how open sw licences can conflict.
[09:04] <zequence_> alright, vacation!
[09:05] <zequence> I have a few things to take care of today, but I'll have about 3 weeks to spend at my will, so hopefully I can help forward the development progress somewhat during that time
[11:12] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, hello! zequence is now on holiday:p
[11:12] <smartboyhw> So he can spend more time with us:)
[11:13] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, hi
[11:13] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, well, for now my time is over, my laptop died
[11:14] <smartboyhw> DarkEra, :O
[11:14] <DarkEra> all i have at the moment is this old crappy netbook
[11:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, DarkEra I will be leaving for London on Wednesday, will not stay in computer till 31st July.
[11:15] <smartboyhw> STUDY TOURE
[11:15] <DarkEra> ok :)
[11:26] <DarkEra> see you later, gotta go
[14:11] <zequence> smartboyhw: Sounds like a fun trip
[14:12] <smartboyhw> zequence, heh
[20:52] <zequence> OvenWerks: I was investigating options on how to override stuff from other DEs, and finally, decided to see just how much would work from installing xubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-default-settings, logging in with the Ubuntu Studio session
[20:53] <zequence> Haven't looked so much at the details yet, but pretty much everything worked, except for the icons
[20:54] <zequence> I'm kind of leaning towards dropping our desktop completely from the seeds, and just depending on Xubuntu
[21:01] <zequence> I think if we can "blacklist" some dependencies, we could fine tune that a little
[21:01] <zequence> if needed
[21:16] <zequence> OvenWerks: Since you're turning the menu into its own package, we might just as well do it that way
[21:16] <zequence> ah, well. that's not really a factor come to think of it.
[21:17] <zequence> but, for some DEs, maybe all we need is the DE and some extras, like the menu package, linux-lowlatency, etc
[21:18] <zequence> then there's the question, do we override artwork at all? At the very least, one might want to change a menu icon and the wallpaper
[21:18] <zequence> ..this is for any non-default DEs
[21:41] <OvenWerks> zequence: there are a few things we may need to watch for to do that. In the same way we have set the libav-extra libs to get loaded first there is at least one other package we load in the desktop seeds that needs to be there. (the one I added when our ISO would not build, I would have to look it up)
[21:42] <OvenWerks> xubuntu has fixed their menu file now so ours should just work over top. If we add our settings, it would override that anyway.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> zequence: would we name the sessions ubuntustudio-kde -gnome -unity? would xfce be just ubuntustudio? or would it be ubuntustudio-xfce?
[21:46] <OvenWerks> I am not asking becasue it matters what, but so that we take it into concideration.
[21:48] <OvenWerks> I think our icon-theme will work with whatever. I think it should be possible to have our backdrops all in one place and still have the different DEs use them. They do need to be in /usr/share/whatever/ though so that they can be used for lightdm also.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> I would like to see all of our settings for all DEs in one package. At boot time it should be easy enough to set up an upstart config that looks to see which DEs are there and creates a link (or kills one) to a presetup session for that DE.
[21:52] <OvenWerks> that way There would be no ghost sessions (sessions the user can see listed but don't work).
[21:54] <OvenWerks> it would also give us the oportunity to remove a plain DE session. For example, if KDE is installed, there would be a KDE session with KDE defaults. We would want to replace that with a ubuntustudio-kde session with our defaults. It would be the same for xfce, gnome, lubuntu or whatever.
[22:14] <OvenWerks> Looking at our current install in /usr/share/xsessions/ there are two desktop files one for ubuntustudio and one for xfce. Removing the one for xfce would leave us with just the one session and not confuse people. I am not sure of the correct way of doing that though. Just removing that might mean it is just replaced on any xfce update or that xfce never gets updated.
[22:16] <OvenWerks> I have had this problem with my kernel on my server becasue I have set it up to use a serial device as console by editing a config file the system holds them back untill I force the new ones to instal. an apt-get upgrade won't touch them.
[23:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'll experiment with that tomorrow. On icons, they weren't loaded by default - on a clean (yet unpopulated) user home
[23:02] <zequence> this was when installing: xubuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-default-settings
[23:03] <zequence> bb tomorrow
[23:43] <OvenWerks> zequence: ubuntustudio-icon-theme has to be installed too.
[23:43] <OvenWerks> I am not sure that settings depends on it... it should


[05:50] <jphilips> @Sick_Rimmit: thanks. can you help get quotes from non-kubuntu team members who are engaged in testing.
[07:55] <valorie> I just wrote a bit jphilips but as it is nearing 1am I'm off to bed
[07:56] <jphilips> valorie: thanks. have a good night
[07:56] <valorie> tsimonq2: I'm not going to sign that letter because I think it misses the point. The FSF needs to get its house in order, and RMS is just a symtom of the problem
[07:57] <valorie> the KDE e.V. Board has a very helpful statement about the mess, and it sounds like the FSF is listening -- or at least I hope so
[07:57] <valorie> we need decent licenses
[08:13] <RikMills> at the moment I am rather glad of my normal inclination to stay out of 'bun fights' like this
[15:10] <jphilips> reminder that the announcement goes out today for the testing week
 https://ev.kde.org/2021/03/24/job-documentation/
 Interesting. I'll pass that along
 I was thinking about it tbh though I don't like that it's a contract position and it doesn't sound like it would be full time which is needed for this area.
 Yeah


[06:01] <kwwii> good morning all, /me is back after a day sick in bed
[06:02] <wedderburn> hope yu're feeling better now then?
[06:02] <kwwii> yepp, almost 100% again ;)
[06:03] <wedderburn> sweet stuff :)
[06:03] <kwwii> scared to open my mail client for fear of the amount of unanswered email but hey ;)
[06:05] <wedderburn> :), mostly mailing list stuff i hope
[06:06] <DanRabbit> kwwii: glad you're no longer sick :)
[06:12] <kwwii> DanRabbit: hehe, me too...I think I had food poisening
[06:12] <DanRabbit> kwwii: ah, that sucks :(
[06:12] <kwwii> essentialy, I had to puke every half an hour for 24 hours
[06:12] <kwwii> I wanted to sleep in the bathroom :p
[06:13] <DanRabbit> wow
[06:14] <kwwii> it was not a nice experience (and I had to postpone my trip to london this week)
[06:14] <DanRabbit> kwwii: btw, in case you want to taste the dark side: http://www.elementary-project.com/downloads/elementary-os/elementary_OS_0.0.9.iso
[06:14] <DanRabbit> oh that's even worse :(
[06:15] <kwwii> oooh, cool...what did you change in that iso?
[06:15] <DanRabbit> a lot of stuff :p
[06:15] <DanRabbit> I removed openoffice and use gnome office instead.
[06:15] <DanRabbit> so that made a lot of room for docky and Do
[06:16] <kwwii> killer, you should post a description and link to the art list
[06:16] <DanRabbit> well, it's not ready for prime time yet :p
[06:16] <DanRabbit> I'm just seeding out a few alphas here and there ;)
[06:17] <DanRabbit> but magical things are coming
[06:17] <DanRabbit> kwwii: did you see the new nautilus stuff we're working on? :D
[06:18] <kwwii> DanRabbit: nope, link?
[06:19] <DanRabbit> h/o
[06:19] <kwwii> kinda funny, the only time we get to chat is when I get up at 6am :p
[06:19] <DanRabbit> kwwii: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/nautilus-simple-install-ppa-streamlined.html
[06:20] <DanRabbit> lol
[06:20] <DanRabbit> it's 10:20 PM here
[06:20] <kwwii> oh wow, that is nice
[06:21] <kwwii> killer stuff
[06:21] <DanRabbit> I'm really excited about that one
[06:21] <DanRabbit> we have redo/undo and RGBA ;)
[06:21] <kwwii> yeah, no doubt....that can really change the way you interact with the computer
[06:21] <kwwii> nice...I bet djsiegel likes it too ;)
[06:22] <DanRabbit> I actually haven't talked to him about it
[06:22] <kwwii> hehe
[06:22] <DanRabbit> but I hope so ;) we're kinda picking up where marcus left off :p
[06:23] <kwwii> nautilus really needs fixing. It seems oyu are going down the right road :)
[06:23] <DanRabbit> thanks :)
[06:24] <DanRabbit> all in all, I'm really excited about the stuff we're doing with elementary, and hopefully it can be a proving ground so you can get some sexyness into ubuntu ;)
[06:25] <kwwii> it is an excellent way to get your ideas seen and incorporated into ubuntu...just explaining things doesn't always do the trick
[06:27] <DanRabbit> kwwii: I'm just really excited because now I'm running elementary OS full time :p
[06:28] <kwwii> hehe, that is a good feeling, isn't it? to know that your OS is something you made
[06:29] <kwwii> years ago, all my computers at home ran a system which I built myself. Hard, but satisfying
[06:29] <DanRabbit> yea, it feels awesome.
[06:29] <kwwii> actually, that just proves that I am a geek ;)
[06:29] <DanRabbit> I'm glad this is a lot easier thanks to Reconstructor.
[06:30] <kwwii> no doubt ;)
[06:30] <DanRabbit> I've been keeping in close contact with the main dev and it's been awesome to work with him :)
[06:30] <kwwii> I used to spend an entire week or so, bootstrapping, building everything myself, etc
[06:31] <DanRabbit> haha, yea I don't have to do any of that >.<
[06:31] <DanRabbit> It's just based on shell scripts :p
[06:31] <kwwii> once you find someone you work well with, stick with it at all costs...a good developer is the most important thing a designer with ideas needs
[06:31] <DanRabbit> I'm lucky because I keep running into all kinds of awesome developers :D
[06:31] <DanRabbit> there is so much talent out there its incredible
[06:32] <kwwii> yeah, that is the feeling I get at every UDS
[06:32] <kwwii> you look around and realize that there are a *lot* of intelligent people working on ubuntu
[06:33] <DanRabbit> yea
[06:36] <kwwii> btw, where did you say you live?
[06:36] <kwwii> we are going to be in portland the first week of feb
[06:37] <DanRabbit> kwwii: I'm in Sacramento, CA
[06:37] <DanRabbit> so that's not terribly far away :p
[06:38] <DanRabbit> kwwii: hey my gf wants attention, so mail me or just leave a message and I'll check it later ;)
[06:38] <DanRabbit> btw, my email is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:38] <DanRabbit> bye
[06:38] <kwwii> DanRabbit: cool, have fun!
[06:39] <kwwii> thnx
[06:39] <DanRabbit> haha, not that kind of attention :p
[06:39] <kwwii> lol
[06:39] <DanRabbit> she has some Hunny-Do's
[06:39] <kwwii> still sweet ;)
[06:50] <troy_s> Greets coz_
[06:51] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[06:51]  * wedderburn greets troy_s
[06:51] <wedderburn> and coz_
[06:51] <wedderburn> and all
[06:51] <troy_s> Wow... a couple of faces moving.
[06:51] <troy_s> How are you two doing?
[06:51] <wedderburn> can't complain :P
[06:51] <wedderburn> and your self?
[06:51] <coz_> I am well   thanks:)  how about yourself
[06:51] <troy_s> Holding down the fort.
[06:51] <coz_> wedderburn,  hey guy
[06:53] <coz_> so ..have any Odd Nerdrums appeared  lately
[06:54] <troy_s> coz_: Lol... more than a few.
[06:54] <coz_> :)
[06:55]  * wedderburn is updating the deluge icon :P
[06:56] <coz_> wedderburn, ooo...cool... I always thought that needed a bit of tweaking
[06:56]  * vish always wondered why the deluge icon was a *single* drop ;)
[06:56] <wedderburn> well it was only ment to be a 48x48 icon, and its a single drop with a wave in it :P
[06:57] <vish> ah..
[06:57] <wedderburn> and if you pay real attention to the icons on your computer you'll notice that i reused the deluge icon for the compiz water effect plugin ;)
[06:59] <wedderburn> http://andrew.wedderburn.googlepages.com/deluge_256_2.png is what i got so far, still very much a WIP
[06:59] <coz_> wedderburn,  much nicer... I always wondered why that strange curve was there...
[07:00] <vish> wedderburn: the 256 to keepup with gnome ? yeah those things take a lot of time :(
[07:00] <wedderburn> ya, updating ubuntu studio's icons for 256 as we speak :P
[07:00] <wedderburn> they take a fair ammount of time
[07:01] <vish> wedderburn: i thought cory wanted something based on breathe
[07:02] <wedderburn> cory left the project recently
[07:02] <wedderburn> and i've got holidays so i decided to come back and see what i could do
[07:02] <troy_s> vish: Did you and thorwil sort out the gongshow on u-m?
[07:02] <vish> yea..k..  nice
[07:03] <vish> troy_s: not yet... its been slow progress
[07:03] <coz_> who would be responsible for cursor themes in ubuntu?
[07:03] <troy_s> vish: It is hard trying to explain things like that because most of the time you get those blinking eyes and the very clear idea that the folks you are speaking to have no clue what you just tried to explain.
[07:03]  * wedderburn misses the black cursor from ubuntu old
[07:03] <vish> coz_: kwwii ? i asked earlier , but are there better ones?
[07:04] <troy_s> coz_: If you mean mouse cursor, that is a hand-me-down from jimmac's.
[07:04] <coz_> troy_s,  oh  mm
[07:04] <troy_s> coz_: Rather it is jimmac's
[07:04] <troy_s> coz_: Hasn't changed ... ever?
[07:04] <wedderburn> and he made a rather nice dark version :P
[07:04] <coz_> vish,  yeah there are much better themes    I believe the  fellow who did the   ubuntu crystal cursor is one
[07:05] <troy_s> coz_: It's like bickering over the number of sesame seeds in a hero shot of the burger.
[07:05] <coz_> :)
[07:05] <coz_> troy_s,  I kind of figured it might be a useless cause
[07:05] <troy_s> coz_: Incremental minutiae of irrelevance.
[07:05] <vish> coz_: i'v asked kwwii about this , but I didnt know of any better cursors at the time  :( ... maybe you can point out the cursor to kwwii
[07:06] <troy_s> coz_: It is dead easy to make them.
[07:06] <troy_s> coz_: xcursorgen
[07:06] <coz_> vish,  ok   thanks....
[07:06] <wedderburn> fedora's got a nice default cursor
[07:06]  * vish uses oxygen-extra cursors ..
[07:06] <coz_> troy_s,  thanks... I maybe...or might...perhaps try
[07:07] <troy_s> wedderburn: What does nice mean?
[07:07] <wedderburn> troy_s: i have a preference for it over ubuntu's default
[07:07] <troy_s> wedderburn: Ah.
[07:07] <vish> i like the animation the fedora one has for the "waiting"
[07:08] <wedderburn> yeah thats what i liked best about it vish
[07:10] <wedderburn> coz_: heres the two cursor sets jimmac made btw http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themes.php?skin=7
[07:11] <coz_> mm I have tried those in the past
[07:12] <troy_s> ugh
[07:12] <troy_s> Ok... it's time for bed methinks. Chat soon folks. Keep the torch burning.
[07:12] <coz_> troy_s, sleep well guy
[07:12] <wedderburn> troy_s: sleep well n all
[07:21] <coz_> darkmatter,  morning guy
[07:22] <darkmatter> morning coz_
[07:22] <darkmatter> freaking metacity patch broke policykit. that was fun to fix
[07:22] <coz_> eeww
[07:23] <darkmatter> had no desktop. just mouse/wallpaper xD
[07:23] <darkmatter> but got it temporarily working then removed the patch and locked metacity so I don't get the 'omg! update me!" garbage later
[07:42] <kwwii> wow, quite a discussion this morning :p
[07:42] <kwwii> I think the DMZ cursors are too blocky (but well done)
[07:54] <kwwii> if anyone hasn't seen http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/01/nautilus-simple-install-ppa-streamlined.html they should take a look at it
[07:54] <darkmatter> DMZ-AA is awesome. and non-bulky. it's the whole color inversion thingy
[07:55] <darkmatter> I'll install a simplified nautilus when I see a simplified nautilus ;P
[07:55] <vish> kwwii: 6month old news if you were involved in papercuts ;p Marcus did the work long back , and has had a ppa , but the nautilus devs havent merged his changes yet ;)
[07:55] <vish> s/;)/:(
[07:57] <kwwii> vish: if only I had more time for papercuts :p
[07:58] <coz_> what is the ppa address?
[07:58] <kwwii> coz_: that page has all the info
[07:59] <vish> DanRabbit: "following patched version of Nautilus by the Elementary Team." would be nicer if Marcus was actually given credit for the work ;)
[07:59] <coz_> kwwii,  ah sorry didnt see that
[08:00] <coz_> mm I have a few issues with the "Elementary team"
[08:00] <kwwii> darkmatter: what bugs me in DMZ is the hand and the corner arrows
[08:00] <vish> coz_: hmm?
[08:00] <kwwii> coz_: hehe, creative people can be hard to deal with
[08:00] <coz_> no consitency with the elementary icons  and I had to redo them to for my own use to keep them consitent
[08:01] <darkmatter> kwwii: ahh.. yeah. the resize cursors are a bit large
[08:01] <coz_> kwwii,  :)  I know   .... i can also be difficutlt
[08:02] <vish> kwwii: David knows about the nautilus changes too , btw[just read a bit of scrollback] ;)
[08:02] <vish> coz_: yeah , there are a few inconsistencies :)
[08:03] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, right
[08:04] <kwwii> oh well, I think I will take a break and have a late breakfast...bbl
[08:04] <coz_> kwwii,   sounds like a good idea:)
[08:04] <coz_> kwwii,  i just ate breakfast here but it is onley 3am :)
[08:05] <kwwii> hehe, 9 here...but I amazingly started work today at 6am
[08:05] <kwwii> ;)
[08:05] <coz_> :)
[08:05] <kwwii> coz_: are you getting up now or going to bed soon?
[08:06] <coz_> kwwii,  getting up actually.. I took a long nap last night and found "morning" when a woke :)
[08:07] <kwwii> hehe, killer...having a kid pretty much ended any chance of that happening to me again
[08:07] <coz_> lol
[08:08] <coz_> kwwii,  thank god mine are all gone :)
[08:11] <darkmatter> I just woke up myself. well. technically my wife woke me up. women are so naughty and selfish. I shoulda just gotten a cat. but the behavior is about the same *shrug*
[08:12] <coz_> darkmatter,   I like cats...but I only get male cats :)
[08:12] <darkmatter> hehe
[08:12] <coz_> :)
[08:13] <darkmatter> I like cats too, but their dander hates me
[08:13] <wedderburn> hope you got it de-sexed, mate of mine her family breeds them :\
[08:13] <wedderburn> i don't go over there when they're all active
[08:13] <coz_> wedderburn,  oh yeah ...the first time he sprayed in the house I kicked him into the street...he was gone 3 days  and I decided i prefer to keep him so off they came :)
[08:14] <wedderburn> sounds like good thinking to me :P
[08:14] <coz_> he is still the bully of the neigborhood  but I try to keep him indoors
[08:15] <wedderburn> when i lived in perth in western australia, they have a bit of a feral cat issue well at night you would get about 4-5 of them fighting over my back yard
[08:15] <coz_> whoa
[08:15] <coz_> wedderburn,   that is definitly a nuisance
[08:16] <darkmatter> wedderburn: my brother has a female tabby currently in heat. he has a heated catbox outside for strays to warm up in. every time she sees one through the window she gets all giddy and exorcist like (rotating head thing). it's so annoying. little furball biting at your ankles and attempting to drag you to the door so she go 'boy crazy' or what ever
[08:16] <coz_> wedderburn,   how is perth?  I wanted to go there sometime!
[08:16] <darkmatter> like I said, the parallels are so uncanny they're crazy
[08:16] <wedderburn> coz_: in summer its the best place to be, good beachs all over and if you drive a little more than most you'll have the place to your self :)
[08:17] <coz_> wedderburn,  cool :)  and in the winter?
[08:17] <wedderburn> darkmatter: sounds about right
[08:17] <wedderburn> coz_: well its not actually that bad, it just rains alot
[08:17] <coz_> wedderburn,  what about cost of living?
[08:17] <wedderburn> in winter
[08:17] <wedderburn> coz_: depends how close you want to live to the CBD
[08:17] <wedderburn> the further out you are the cheaper it is
[08:18] <coz_> cool
[08:18] <wedderburn> its cheeper than melbourne to rent though so thats good
[08:18] <coz_> wedderburn,  people still live underground  near the opal mines?
[08:18] <darkmatter> the spca here has a program to fix them for free (for people with low wages etc). he's on the list but hasn't gotten a vet appointment yet
[08:19] <wedderburn> coz_: thats in coopapedie( or how ever you spell it) and thats in the outback in south australia
[08:19] <coz_> darkmatter,  :)
[08:19] <coz_> wedderburn,  oh !
[08:19] <wedderburn> coz_: nah most of australia is above ground in fairly modern cities near the coast
[08:19] <coz_> wedderburn,  i was under the impression there were underground homes near perth
[08:20] <wedderburn> maybe in kalgoolie
[08:20] <wedderburn> suppose thats relativly close to perth
[08:20] <coz_> wedderburn,  oh ok
[08:20] <coz_> anywhere but the US would be fine :)
[08:21] <wedderburn> well sydney's even relatively(883kms / 549 miles) close to melbourne so its all pretty relative :P
[08:22] <coz_> austrailia is mostly coastal living like south america  right?
[08:22] <darkmatter> speaking of underground homes, who wants to donate to my Hobbit-Hole Fund? I intend to die an eccentric recluse ;)
[08:22] <coz_> darkmatter,  :)   I dont blame you for that :)
[08:22] <wedderburn> coz_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_living for your underground living question, and yeah its all coastal living our capital and alice springs are the only real places of note that arn't near the coast
[08:23] <coz_> yep that's them :)
[08:23] <coz_> I always found this interesting.... and cool  no pun intended
[08:24] <coz_> although they could do with a little colour on the walls :)
[08:24] <wedderburn> basically you got the coast line then the center which is just dessert not much out there
[08:27] <coz_> that elementary nautilus is not that impressive
[08:29] <wedderburn> looks nicer than before
[08:29] <coz_> wedderburn,  well yeah as long as they included a quick   "revert"  tick box or button.... I somehow think that the average user is not going to fair well with this
[08:30] <wedderburn> average user just wants to copy and paste things :P
[08:30] <wedderburn> and find documents
[08:30] <coz_> wedderburn,  and have some sense of reliability even with changes
[08:30] <wedderburn> i know thats all i use nautilus for really
[08:30] <coz_> :)
[08:30] <coz_> me too
[08:30] <darkmatter> coz_: it's not impressive because it's not simplified as per the claim. it's 'compacted' perhaps, but it's still the same mess as usual
[08:31] <wedderburn> and since it doesn't hinder that i can't see the negative side :P
[08:31] <coz_> darkmatter,  I agree  which is one of my complaints with elementary project
[08:31] <coz_> wedderburn,  yeah I kind of like nautilus as is.... when a really good design change comes along I might give it a try
[08:33] <wedderburn> the thing that needs fixing the most is the UI system  open office uses to get themes from gnome, its a wee bit broken on anything other than clearlooks :\
[08:34] <darkmatter> coz_: my complaint with th 'improved' nautilus is that it's more cluttered than before. sure, the unpatched nautilus has slightly to much chrome, but at least there is enough whitespace to distinguish the elements from eachother.
[08:34] <coz_> wedderburn,  agreed
[08:34] <kwwii> wedderburn: OOo and firefox don't count :p
[08:34] <coz_> darkmatter,   i agree with that also
[08:35] <wedderburn> kwwii: love that theory :P, but OO really does stop most distro's from shipping vastly different gtk themes :\
[08:35] <darkmatter> coz_: I have the same issues with other 'minimal' ui's as well. chrome being a fine example. as a general rule less ui is better, but not if it sacrifices usability or usefulness
[08:35] <kwwii> darkmatter: I think part of that comlaint is due to the simplicity of the theme though
[08:35] <kwwii> wedderburn: trust me, I know...there is little one can do about either of them
[08:35] <vish> darkmatter: we dont need a lot of the buttons on the chrome... a lot of those can be removed
[08:35] <coz_> darkmatter,  or clean appearance as well
[08:35] <kwwii> at least firefox listens before they say no :p
[08:36] <vish> nautilus chrome*
[08:39] <coz_> personally ... I prefer kde's  dolphin over nautilus
[08:40] <darkmatter> vish: by default, no we don't. but I wasn't talking exclusively about buttons, so I should actually thank you for mentioning that. because simplification for the sake of simplification is criminal. nearly as criminal as bloated ui's like OO.o, I'll explain in a bit. need coffee. brb
[08:40] <coz_> :)
[08:41] <vish> ;)
[08:52] <thorwil> vish: first wolter says hi to me and disappears immediately, then Kolorguild comes and goes like that ^
[08:53] <vish> >.<
[08:53] <vish> heh , liferea is great , cuts out all the comments [mainly comments from OMG :D]
[08:54] <vish> thorwil: i think they are not in a hurry  , since it can be done even near the end
[08:54] <vish> probably after beta Lucid release..
[08:55] <thorwil> vish: i'm not in favor of the student approach
[08:55] <vish> :)
[08:59] <darkmatter> back
[08:59] <vish> thorwil: did you send the mail to David Nel and benjamin as well? [I didnt see them in the cc]
[09:00] <thorwil> vish: they were supposed to be in To:
[09:01] <thorwil> vish: i just noticed something went wrong, as David is missing in my Sent copy
[09:01] <vish> thorwil: oh.. i dont see them in the To: either
[09:03] <thorwil> in same places, Evolutions hasn't been intelligently designed
[09:05] <thorwil> vish: send again, with David in To and you and wolter in CC. please confirm
[09:06] <vish> yup
[09:06] <vish> good now
[09:06] <thorwil> phew :)
[09:07] <vish> brb
[09:09] <darkmatter> coz_: I'm working on a new class of ui, though I'm not sure what to call it
[09:10] <coz_> darkmatter,   cool....I cant think of a name off hand :)
[09:12] <vish> Damn it .. "Avatar" is kinda taken
[09:13] <darkmatter> coz_: basically it's a matter of removing the cons of ui design. atm there are two major types. inductive and deductive. though they aren't really used in conjunction in a consistent or meaningful way. we see inductive ui's primarily on the web, and local ui's are almost exclusively deductive
[09:13] <thorwil> call it nooclass
[09:14] <vish> thorwil: i'm not sure Wolter's assessment that the manual is supposed to a help documentation is not right... IMO ,it seems more like an introduction to Ubuntu.. just have a look at most of the chapters
[09:15] <vish> it has history/geograhy/etc.. ;)
[09:16] <thorwil> vish: you are not sure that he is not right ... ever programmed something? ;)
[09:16] <vish> argh! damn! you are not sure that he is right ;0
[09:16] <darkmatter> now, as a general rule, induction should take precedence over deduction, as it utilizes a faster approach to pattern recognition, is simple yet powerful in its own right, and tends to be elegant when executed properly
[09:16] <vish> s/you/I'm
[09:17] <vish> thorwil: xchat has this small single line input box and i cant notice what I'v typed :(  so many mistakes i'm bound to make
[09:18] <darkmatter> however since inductive ui's tend to deal with one task per view, they slow productivity for more complex tasks or repetitive tasks (such as adding accounts to a system with numerous users for example)
[09:18]  * vish needs to stick to single line replies... easier to catch mistakes
[09:19] <thorwil> vish: i'm using xchat, too. but i don't know the number of mistakes i'm bound to make
[09:20] <vish> thorwil: well,  i'm sure to make a *lot*... so expect more :D
[09:20] <darkmatter> the basic idea is to create a schedule based interface metaphor that takes the strongest selling points of both the inductive and deductive interfaces while weeding out as many of the negatives as possible
[09:21] <coz_> darkmatter,  you lost me on this one :)
[09:22] <coz_> guys I thought I was well rested but apparently not...going for nap
[09:22] <coz_> be back later
[09:24] <darkmatter> schedule based, because, well, I've been trying to sell the idea for years. basically timelines (not unlike what is now provided by zeitgeist), but presented on a task/activity level, both within individual libraries/interfaces as well as through a global history function
[09:26] <darkmatter> organized by relevance instead of just the 'day one, day two *all my crap is crammed together!*' approach
[09:55] <kwwii> does anyone here understand how the metacity left_left_background and such work?
[11:11] <wedderburn> cool, youtube now supports html5 vid :P
[15:18]  * kwwii is off to the store for groceries...bbl


[03:27] <cmaloney> NVidia?
[06:33] <Scary_Guy> Probably, though they all tend to suck
[13:54] <cmaloney> Also I would put opencl as something for desktop Linux.
[13:54] <cmaloney> s/would/wouldn't/
[13:54] <cmaloney> unless I'm missing something
[13:54] <cmaloney> (note: I'm living in the past)
[14:01] <jrwren> AMD
[14:01] <jrwren> i did finally get clinfo to show the AMD device, but xmrig still doesn't see it.
[14:01] <jrwren> It is worse than I would have guessed.
[14:43] <jrwren> it is 2021 and old kernels still aren't automatically removed. sometimes I think the linux world isn't even trying.
[14:47] <cmaloney> iirc they are under 18.04
[14:47] <cmaloney> I haven't had to purge old kernels in quite a while
[15:08] <jrwren> running impish here. just purged.
[15:09] <jrwren> do you have byobu installed?
[15:09] <jrwren> i know it includes purge-old-kernels. not sure if it is called regularly
[15:10] <jrwren> oh, i guess apt-get autoremove does do it. silly me.
[15:11] <cmaloney> I don't use byobu. I use tmux. :)
[15:33] <jrwren> Good morning. I would like to share with you about how I am a fucking moron.
[15:34] <jrwren> for years I’ve used explicit ssid names on wifi at home so that I could be sure that I am on 5Ghz v. 2.4Ghz.
[15:34] <jrwren> it was only a few days ago that I learned that dual band wifi has features to move you between the two as needed and that I shouldn’t worry about being stuck on 2.4 when 5 is available, but that they have to have the same SSID name for this to work.
[15:55] <greg-g> huh, TIL, I do the same (open2.4 and open5 are my ssids)
[16:09] <cmaloney> Are you kidding me?
[16:09] <cmaloney> I do the same thing too
[16:10] <cmaloney> FFs
[16:12] <cmaloney> Apparently we're all in good company
[16:21] <jrwren> thanks guys. you make me feel better.
[16:22] <jrwren> yeah, it is called "band selection". my tp-link AP has it on by default under "Dual Band Selection"
[16:23] <jrwren> it only effects 2.4Ghz clients and moves them seamlessly to the 5Ghz.
[16:28] <cmaloney> Funnily enough this guild says to do the opposite: https://learntomato.flashrouters.com/setup-dual-band-router-tomato-firmware/
[16:28] <cmaloney> so I think the dual band selection is newer
[16:30] <jrwren> could be
[16:31] <jrwren> that is also for tomato. it is possible tomato doesn't support it.
[16:32] <jrwren> also possible that whoever wrote that article was as clueless as us.
[16:32] <greg-g> no way, we're pretty clueless
[16:42] <jrwren> aka band steering if you are searching things.
[16:42] <jrwren> https://www.maketecheasier.com/24ghz-5ghz-band-steering/
[18:29] <cmaloney> Interesting
[18:29] <cmaloney> I'm not seeing that as an option so will need to do some more digging.
[18:42] <jrwren> what kind of AP?
[19:03] <cmaloney> Tomato
[19:03] <cmaloney> on a Netgear something something (would have to check, WNR3800 sounds right.
[19:05] <cmaloney> Feh, that's not right
[19:05] <cmaloney> R6300
[19:06] <cmaloney> v2
[19:19] <jrwren> i don't recall why, but I gave up on tomato many years ago. :(
[19:19] <cmaloney> The maintenance got complicated
[21:35] <Scary_Guy> Lol tp-link, bottom of the barrel for me.  Got a router once, sure it was cheap, but I tested the cable that came with it with the blinky thing and you'd expect them all to blink.
[21:35] <Scary_Guy> They did not, in fact, all do the blinky thing.
[21:36] <Scary_Guy> I mostly got it for a friend so she could connect to her laptop with her tablet at shows and control a lightshow from anywhere.
[21:38] <Scary_Guy> Also the first time I'm hearing about the dual band thing.  Not that I trust anything to work as it should.     I love the backup firmware option so I can just switch and restore.
[22:04] <Scary_Guy> It was made to work with *WRT so it's really hard to brick it.
[22:04] <Scary_Guy> Not that I trust a lot, and it's probably still backdoored in the hardware so whatever three letter agency wants in can get in.
[22:28] <jrwren_> i don't use wifi routers as routers, only as AP
[22:31] <Scary_Guy> Fair enough.  Still probably doesn't help much.  I was thinking of getting another for the IoT home automation stuff I want to do.  Maybe yet another for a security system.
[22:32] <Scary_Guy> I've got four ports on my mo...  oh wait I don't anymore.  Took tha back to stop paying the rental fee.
[22:32] <Scary_Guy> Also got rid of a WiFi that I wasn't using too.
[22:33] <jrwren_> that's always good.
[22:35] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, less saturation of the airwave frequencies is nice.  Still pretty saturated though.  Seems like everything has WiFi these days
[22:35] <Scary_Guy> Routers, phones, IoT...
[22:36] <cmaloney> MUG tonight (mug.org)


[06:53] <ganapati> no menu is being displayed on right click in the desktop
[06:53] <ganapati> but right click works in other apps.. like terminal, firefox, etc
[08:18] <MacSlow> for "lshw -C network" I get a listed "*-network UNCLAIMED" (that's eth0, which should be associated to the sky2 kernel-module)
[08:19] <MacSlow> how do I fix that, so that a "sudo ifconfig eth0 up" automatically loads the correct kernel-module
[08:51] <pochu> hey seb128
[08:51] <seb128> hello pochu
[08:52] <pochu> I removed vinagre-common. the problem was mostly with the documentation images being copied for every language when they weren't translated, instead of symlinked, but that's now fixed upstream in gnome-doc-tools, so the size will be reduced again when that's packaged
[08:53] <seb128> right
[08:53] <seb128> I've read the discussion on #gnome-debian
[08:53] <pochu> ok :)
[08:54] <seb128> see there is a better way than adding new binaries ;-)
[09:13] <lool> asac: Woohoo NM 0.7 \o/
[09:14] <lool> thanksgiving present!
[09:53] <asac> lool: me?
[09:54] <asac> what did i do?
[09:54] <asac> oh final ;)
[10:48] <james_w> huats: is bakeryconfig.h the only header needed in bakery2.6-dev?
[10:49] <huats> james_w: hey
[10:49] <james_w> hi huats
[10:49] <james_w> how are you?
[16:10] <seb128> mvo: hey, how busy are you and do you have an intrepid environment? ;-)
[16:11] <mvo> hello seb128
[16:11] <mvo> seb128: busy but not super busy - yes
[16:15] <seb128> mvo: could you build and upload the fix for bug #204770?
[16:16] <seb128> mvo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/15139212/tracker.debdifff is the change, intrepid just need the same
[16:16] <mvo> seb128: sure
[16:16] <seb128> mvo: I did upgrade my desktop to jaunty and my laptop is in a weird intrepid-jaunty mix
[16:17] <seb128> mvo: I don't want to set an intrepid environment now only for that and it was on the remaining sru list
[16:17] <seb128> mvo: danke!
[16:19] <mvo> seb128: done
[16:19] <seb128> mvo: you rock ;-)
[16:20] <mvo> heh .)
[16:20]  * seb128 is fighting jaunty today
[16:20] <mvo> thanks, but that was really a minor thing :)
[16:20] <seb128> right, I should have uploaded that before upgrading
[16:20] <seb128> anyway that's one thing less on the intrepid todolist
[16:24] <mvo> happy to help
[16:25] <lapo> hi
[16:25] <lapo> I got a dell mini9 congrats guys for the ui, very very nice
[16:30] <seb128> lapo: thanks ;-)
[16:31] <seb128> I didn't work on that but nice to see happy ubuntu users ;-)
[16:32] <lapo> I just wanted to say congrats since the product is slick, I'm even feeling the urge of producing hires icons of all the applications there :-)