[12:00] <soren9580> find is very cool
[12:00] <soren9580> thank you
[12:00] <ompaul> sabdfl, there are a couple of us looking at moving testing (daily updates) across, given that this box is the least critical it should be first to go, might be interesting to | tee all commands, I have a whole office to consider for april that is going to be fun, a couple of the developers have made the case to go Apple and got away with it - I need to get a blackberry to work with ubuntu that might be interesting :)
[12:00] <mcphail> np
[12:01] <cwillu> heh... I've lost X :)
[12:01] <sabdfl> ompaul: if you get the blackberry to work it would make a great addition to the wiki
[12:01] <ompaul> this is true
[12:02] <woodywarty> Can somebody help me out with this:   smb://192.168.x.x thing
[12:02] <woodywarty> It's not working man
[12:02] <beowuff> What's the web site for the unoffical Ubuntu faq?
[12:03] <thr1ce> what vresion of gnome does warty-release live contain?
[12:03] <zenrox> beowuff, www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:04] <andrewski> how do i set up mod_php on apache in ubuntu?
[12:04] <zenrox> thr1ce, 2.8 2.7 something like that
[12:04] <_miracoolix_> hi, i just finished installing and configuring ubuntu 4.10. i used fc3 in the meantime and it seams, that there are some newer packages in fc3. what is ubuntu hoary array-6? is there a roadmap?
[12:05] <drspin> java on hoary???
[12:05] <thr1ce> how does ubuntu do updates?  does it update software regularly, or just with new distro releases?
[12:05] <zenrox> _miracoolix_,  hoary is the devel of ubuntu
[12:05] <drspin> the METHOD0 doesn't work from the wiki
[12:05] <_miracoolix_> zenrox, i see. is it on par with debian unstable?
[12:06] <soren9580> mcphail, is there any way to make find not recursive?
[12:06] <zenrox> drspin, read www.ubuntuguide.org for java install
[12:06] <zenrox> _miracoolix_, better no major show stopers
[12:06] <thr1ce> like...lets say a new Gaim comes out; must I compile it myself ?
[12:06] <soren9580> i've tried looking through the man pages and i can't find anything
[12:06] <zenrox> thr1ce,  if your on werty
[12:06] <zenrox> warty
[12:06] <blizah> is there any terminal you can copy and paste in?
[12:06] <mcphail> i think -maxdepth may help
[12:06] <thr1ce> zenrox, and if not?
[12:07] <thr1ce> is there an update tool?
[12:07] <mcphail> mcphail: man find - it is a difficult command
[12:07] <zenrox> stick aroudn for hoary then
[12:07] <ompaul> thr1ce, you can, however you could wait for it to put into hoary and then upgrade to hoary
[12:07] <zenrox> thr1ce, ya
[12:07] <thr1ce> so it only upgrades the distro, and not the software?
[12:07] <zenrox> thr1ce, i wont recomend you to upgrade to hary
[12:08] <thr1ce> why not?
[12:08] <zenrox> warty = stable only security updates for it
[12:08] <zenrox> hoary is unstable and unreliabe at times
[12:08] <zenrox> so one day somehitng will work the next it wont
[12:09] <TomAraya> I have a question regarding Gaim.. it isn't changing my screen name, it changes but it appears the same as it did as last time I logged into MSN under Windows. It never reflects what I change it to in Gaim.
[12:09] <TomAraya> I have the stable version for Warty.
[12:09] <thr1ce> TomAraya, #gaim
[12:09] <zenrox> ya
[12:09] <thr1ce> wow...that makes me not want to try ubuntu :(
[12:10] <thr1ce> what kernel does warty ship with?
[12:10] <zenrox> 2.6.8
[12:10] <zenrox> hoary is 2.6.10 soon to be 2.6.11
[12:10] <TomAraya> thr1ce, Thrice is a good band.
[12:10] <thr1ce> so hoary is like a "current" , bleeding edge sorta deal?
[12:10] <cwillu> xorg
[12:10] <thr1ce> :)
[12:10] <zenrox> thr1ce,  yes
[12:10] <thr1ce> i'm using slackware...not sure if anyone's familiar
[12:11] <Loiosh> Heh
[12:11] <zenrox> ya some ppl do
[12:11] <Loiosh> Slackware pwnes me =)
[12:11] <thr1ce> they have a stable, and a -current; I use the -current, which updates every other day or so
[12:11] <zenrox> thr1ce,  yep
[12:11] <thr1ce> similar to that?
[12:11] <zenrox> then hoary is what you want
[12:11] <thr1ce> not tryign to start a distro war or anything...just the best comparison that comes to mind :)
[12:12] <tims> exit
[12:12] <blizah> does linux ever work like in windows you download an exe and double click install and then tell it where to install?
[12:12] <blizah> sorry im completly new at this
[12:12] <zenrox> thr1ce,  change all your warty sources to hoary then do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:12] <zenrox> thr1ce,  make shure x ant running
[12:12] <zenrox> and make shure xorg gets installed
[12:12] <thr1ce> is that stable?  auto-updates can screw things up...
[12:13] <zenrox> and configured right
[12:13] <TomAraya> blizah, not really, no.
[12:13] <ompaul> blizah, there is a tool called synaptic, use it and it does a lot of that kind of work for you
[12:13] <blizah> k
[12:13] <zenrox> thr1ce,  no major breaks that dont casue it to be dist-upgraded
[12:13] <zenrox> and used
[12:13] <thr1ce> ok
[12:13] <Loiosh> It won't really tell you where things are installed though, Bliz =)
[12:13] <thr1ce> i'm gonna try the live CD
[12:13] <zenrox> the array cds dont work for me
[12:13] <TomAraya> Does anyone know if there are any issues with Hoary and NDISWrapper?
[12:13] <thr1ce> does it have any other WM's, or just gnome as a DE
[12:14] <Loiosh> If you want bleeding edge, the Array 6 CD came out yesterday, thr1ce
[12:14] <zenrox> thr1ce,  kubuntu is in hoary
[12:14] <thr1ce> what abotu fluxbox?
[12:14] <cwillu> so, how would I go about getting x started again to something recognizable?
[12:14] <zenrox> you can d/l and install it just like any thange else
[12:14] <zenrox> but thay dont support it
[12:14] <zenrox> read the forums
[12:14] <thr1ce> like...I can apt-get fluxbox?  I've never used debian before
[12:14] <zenrox> for help
[12:14] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I have my cupsd.conf file set up to share my printers and other stuff on the network, allowing 192.168.1.* to access it, but a windows computer on the network (<IP_ADDRESS>) can't access the printer
[12:14] <Marble2> any ideas?
[12:15] <andrewski> thr1ce: it's in the universe repository.
[12:15] <zenrox> thr1ce, more like sudo apt-get install fluxbox
[12:15] <zenrox> but ya
[12:15] <thr1ce> right..I guess I just was wondering if I had to install it myself, or just get it
[12:15] <thr1ce> so does horay give regular updates of things like glibc?
[12:15] <zenrox> icevwm, enlightment, wmmaker, kde ,gnome(default), and others too
[12:16] <zenrox> thr1ce, id asume so
[12:16] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:16] <cwillu> I guess that "uninstalling gdm... this can't be good" was actually the case
[12:17] <jbailey> thr1ce: Until it's released, yes.  After that just security and critical fixes.
[12:17] <thr1ce> jbailey, until what is released?
[12:17] <cwillu> abort! abort!
[12:17] <jbailey> thr1ce: Hoary.
[12:17] <cwillu> and so we reinstall
[12:18] <cwillu> why does this remind me of windows?
[12:18] <jbailey> cwillu: You shouldn't need to reinstall.
[12:18] <ompaul> cwillu, apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:18] <thr1ce> so hoary is like the on-going development; the sort of next release in progress?
[12:18] <jbailey> thr1ce: Right.
[12:18] <cwillu> thank you :)
[12:18] <thr1ce> ok...just curious :P
[12:18] <Loiosh> Once it's released, the new software / updates will be moved to the next version
[12:18] <thr1ce> i'm gonna try the live CD
[12:18] <jbailey> thr1ce: This happened with warty before it.  It got developped until it was released, and then that's that, and hoary was born.
[12:18] <Loiosh> I don't remember the name off the top of my head.
[12:18] <rvirani> How do I install KDE on this thig?n
[12:19] <rvirani> Is there a KDE port to PPC?
[12:19] <shock> i just love ubuntu for having an allmost equally well tested powerpc version as the i368 version of stuff
[12:19] <thr1ce> so technically if I update regularly I would be already running hoary the day it's released?
[12:19] <shock> likes it alot
[12:19] <Loiosh> #KUbuntu may be a little more helpful, rvi. It's the KDE version.
[12:19] <Riddell> rvirani: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE
[12:19] <rvirani> more importantly java
[12:19] <rvirani> JAVA is important
[12:19] <cwillu> I knew if I made an obnoxious enough comment I'd get an answer eventually :p
[12:19] <soren9580> when i try and run the following command, i get the following error
[12:19] <soren9580> [nicholsc@redcoats downloads] $ find /home/nicholsc/downloads/ -name '*.avi' -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec cp '{}' /nicholsc/nottrans/ \;
[12:19] <soren9580> cp: cannot create regular file `/nicholsc/nottrans/chris.avi': No such file or directory
[12:19] <jbailey> shock: There are a few things that don't work quite as well, but we're getting there.
[12:19] <shock> thr1ce - pretty much, yes
[12:19] <shock> :D
[12:20] <shock> I know - its working like a charme here
[12:20] <soren9580> any idea why it would be saying no such file on a cp
[12:20] <jbailey> rvirani: Depends what you need from the Java.  I saw a report today that gij is able to run eclipse now in Hoary.
[12:20] <cwillu> heh... or apt-get install gdm... but I'll do the desktop anyway, I'm sure this is still horibly broken
[12:20] <shock> compared to any distro before - even native debian (packages needed a lot of private tweaks there)
[12:20] <thr1ce> is ubuntu .rpm based?
[12:20] <shock> jbailey - r u ubuntu core team?
[12:20] <soren9580> i figured it out
[12:21] <mrproper> When I try to compile something, I get configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check.  What package fixes that?
[12:21] <shock> I was looking at that "searching kernel dudes" thingy today
[12:21] <wigyori> hi
[12:21] <ompaul> rvirani, if it important to you reading the FAQ about java on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=java might be of help to you :)
[12:21] <zenrox> thr1ce,  ubuntu is .deb based
[12:21] <shock> might be checking back on that once my exams are done (wednesday)
[12:21] <jbailey> shock: I'm not sure what that means.  I work full time on distro, yes.
[12:21] <shock> :D
[12:21] <shock> thx man!
[12:21] <Kly> www.otomotivshow.com
[12:21] <jbailey> mrproper: bulid-essential
[12:21] <aurax> anyone here uses 915G chipset of intel on linux ?
[12:22] <thr1ce> any troubles with ATI drivers with the new kernel, or doesn't anyone use them anymore?  :P  (3d accel)
[12:22] <aurax> the D915GAVL mobo of intel*
[12:22] <wigyori> i'm trying to run 32-bit binaries on an ubuntu/amd64, but gets 'exec: no such file or directory'. when linking ld-2.3.2.so -> ld-linux.so, gets corrupted library. where should i start reading?
[12:22] <zenrox> aurax, what are you trying to do
[12:22] <airox> hi, is there a way to mount a .bin/.cue file ?
[12:23] <zenrox> airox,  no
[12:23] <rvirani> ompaul, you dont understand I am on a mac
[12:23] <thr1ce> nope
[12:23] <thr1ce> gotta bin2iso it
[12:23] <aurax> im buying 8 new desktops next week and want to make sure this mobo will work well
[12:23] <zenrox> thr1ce,  is right
[12:23] <shock> something really needed in ubuntu though is: more usb devices support (teledat isdn cards, usb wireless devices...)
[12:23] <jbailey> rvirani: I have ati 3d accell on my ppc box, but it's not very fast.
[12:23] <airox> ok, let's do that :)
[12:23] <shock> that would rock and make ubuntu the distro I'd install for customers
[12:23] <ompaul> rvirani, missed the reference
[12:23] <LinuxJones> ohh the Ubuntu-quickguide is excellent
[12:23] <thr1ce> how does one set up ati drivers on ubuntu; is it touch?
[12:24] <thr1ce> especially with 2.6.1x kernel
[12:24] <zenrox> airox, sudo apt-get install bchunk
[12:24] <shock> id shure donate some, as soon as i make money *g*
[12:24] <jbailey> thr1ce: I did mine by hand, but the ppc box I'm running isn't supported yet.
[12:24] <rvirani> jbailey, whats your point?
[12:24] <aurax> whats bchunk ?
[12:24] <zenrox> bin2iso
[12:24] <zenrox> an easer ver
[12:24] <mcphail> airox: i'm not sure if mountiso can do it (needs KDE)
[12:24] <Loiosh> Someone URLed me a nice sit for that, thr1ce
[12:24] <Loiosh> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:24] <jbailey> rvirani: Sorry, I thought you were the one who mentioned that you needed ati support.
[12:24] <thr1ce> i use the 2.4.29 kernel still...I think it's as solid as a rock :)
[12:24] <mrproper> How do I enable myself to install devel packages in Ubuntu?
[12:24] <zenrox> bchunk your.bin your.cue isoname
[12:24] <jbailey> rvirani: I'm only sort of paying attention to the channel.
[12:24] <aurax> so zenrox u think it will work well ?
[12:25] <shock> jbailey - what ati r u having? - I dont have 3d - but at least I have working suspend =)
[12:25] <zenrox> aurax, it does work
[12:25] <jbailey> shock: radeon
[12:25] <airox> Which package contains bin2iso ?
[12:25] <shock>  9600 M10 - powerbook
[12:25] <zenrox> airox,  bchunk
[12:25] <shock> thats what i have
[12:26] <zenrox> airox,  the command is bchunk your.bin your.cue yourisoname
[12:26] <jbailey> shock: Check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for error messages then.
[12:26] <zenrox> airox, no sudo
[12:26] <shock> allright
[12:26] <airox> The command isn't there zenrox
[12:26] <zenrox> airox,  you got to do sudo apt-get install bchunk
[12:26] <zenrox> first
[12:26] <shock> I am not running an ubuntu kernel, though
[12:27] <jbailey> shock: Oh.  All bets are off then, sorry.
[12:27] <shock> still some modified kernel including one of benh's patches
[12:27] <shock> ;)
[12:27] <thr1ce> ok...suppose I'll try this live C
[12:27] <OMarin> how can I install a kernel compiled for athlon xp??
[12:27] <thr1ce> thanks for the help :P
[12:27] <shock> since it works rather well I'm still waiting for those r300 project dudes to come up with something more =)
[12:27] <shock> they rock allready
[12:27] <zenrox> thr1ce,  n/p
[12:27] <jbailey> OMarin: apt-get install linux-k7
[12:27] <thr1ce> see ya guys around
[12:28] <ompaul> have fun
[12:28] <OMarin> jbailey: thanks
[12:28] <thr1ce> always :P
[12:28] <cwillu> okay, here goes nothign...
[12:28] <cwillu> and...
[12:28] <jbailey> OMarin: Don't remove the old one until you've tested it ;)
[12:28] <cwillu> I've got hoary up on a laptop! :)
[12:28] <cwillu> now, what other trouble can I get myself into :)
[12:28] <shock> (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled
[12:28] <mcphail> airox: will this help - http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ ?
[12:28] <shock> *sigh*
[12:28] <zenrox> cwillu,  woohoo the ubuntu virus strikes agine
[12:29] <shock> some day...
[12:29] <jbailey> shock: Yeah, but there should be something above that explaining why.
[12:29] <cwillu> heh
[12:29] <shock> (**) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled
[12:29] <shock> ?
[12:29] <cwillu> I've already put in on 400mhz intel chipset, a 1gig dell box
[12:29] <jbailey> shock: Which patch keeps you from using the Ubuntu kernel?
[12:29] <shock> oh ok
[12:29] <shock> (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon 9500 and newer cards
[12:29] <cwillu> a bleeding edge 3.3 gig
[12:29] <darkcmd> hmm... can I use different themes for GNOME.. under ubuntu
[12:29] <darkcmd> and a different GDM splash
[12:29] <jbailey> shock: That'd be the reason then. =)
[12:29] <shock> the benh sleep patch
[12:29] <mrproper> How do I get gtk-devel packages in Ubuntu?
[12:29] <cwillu> but the laptop's been troublesome for years
[12:29] <airox> mcphail: Already have the iso now :)
[12:29] <zenrox> cwillu, i have it runnin on my server warty any way
[12:29] <shock> :)
[12:29] <airox> Thanks anyway!
[12:30] <soren9580> is there a way to execute multiple commands with find?
[12:30] <shock> its like one of the sleep support patches for this kind of hardware
[12:30] <zenrox> cwillu,  400mhz celron 64 mbs of ram
[12:30] <rem> .
[12:30] <cwillu> sounds familiar
[12:30] <darkcmd> ok.. can I use the standard apt-get commands in ubuntu?
[12:30] <zenrox> cwillu,  no montor tho just a headless box
[12:30] <Loiosh> We did it with awk, Soren
[12:30] <soren9580> something like this
[12:30] <soren9580> find /home/nicholsc/downloads/ -name '*.avi' -mmin +10 -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec cp '{}' /home/nicholsc/nottrans \; rm '{}' \;
[12:30] <airox> darkcmd: yep
[12:30] <cwillu> I'm actually using a beatrix on a 400 as a vpn server
[12:30] <shock> and since i didnt find any hints of it being integrated in te default kernel i kept using this kernel for like 5 months now
[12:30] <OMarin> jbailey: I'll do it tks
[12:30] <shock> maybe only 4
[12:30] <zenrox> cwillu,  tho i do run apps thru ssh
[12:30] <Loiosh> find . -name "*/CVS/*" | awk -i 'rm -rf {}' or something like that
[12:30] <shock> 2.6.9-ppc-sleep7
[12:30] <zenrox> on this box
[12:31] <Loiosh> I don't remember the exact command
[12:31] <selinium_> hi all, does anyone have any idea on how i can get my palm ique 3600 to talk to ubuntu?
[12:31] <zenrox> cwillu,  including the gui apps
[12:31] <blizah> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    does that upgrade me to hoary?
[12:31] <darkcmd> airox, are the GNOME packages the standard GNOME packages.. or are they special?
[12:31] <Marble2> Can someone help me out? I have my cupsd.conf file set up to share my printers and other stuff on the network, allowing 192.168.1.* to access it, but a windows computer on the network (<IP_ADDRESS>) can't access the printer
[12:31] <shock> jbailey - could you do me a favor an check wether you 3d support enables the float - pbuffer extensions?
[12:31] <mcphail> soren9580: as i said, find is tricky. I think you can use it to call a function (hence multiple commands)
[12:31] <shock> cause that would be a point of interest to me
[12:32] <jbailey> shock: You do I check that?
[12:32] <blizah> im reading a mplayer howto install and it says first make sure everything is uptodate sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  --will that upgrade me to hoary?
[12:32] <shock> glxinfo
[12:32] <jbailey> shock: Bah.  *how* do I check that? =)
[12:32] <shock> probably |grep float
[12:32] <jbailey> shock:     GLX_SGIX_pbuffer is listed under client glx extensions.
[12:32] <selinium_> blizah: have a look at www.ubuntuguide.org it has all the commands there
[12:32] <shock> hmmmm
[12:32] <Marble2> anyone?
[12:32] <blizah> k
[12:32] <jbailey> shock: I don't see the word 'float' in here.
[12:33] <shock> i'd need to check for that one
[12:33] <darkcmd> does ubuntu use its own apt repository
[12:33] <shock> I'm trying to do matrix-calculations in the gpu - so I kindof need the float extensions ;)
[12:33] <cwillu> hmm
[12:33] <zenrox> darkcmd,  yes
[12:33] <shock> but thx
[12:33] <cwillu> I've still got disappearing synaptic syndrome
[12:33] <shock> is you suspend working?
[12:33] <shock> your
[12:33] <mrproper> Is Horay or Warty newer?
[12:33] <cwillu> hoary
[12:34] <monoxide> hoary
[12:34] <airox> Hmm.. There isn't a /dev/loop0 nod in my filesystem? Would I have to create it ?
[12:34] <mrproper> Does Horay have inotify?
[12:34] <selinium_> mrproper: hoary is the beta
[12:34] <mrproper> k
[12:34] <mrproper> It has GNOME 2.8?
[12:34] <shock> AA2.10
[12:34] <yoko-omo> wow
[12:34] <yoko-omo> core dump and everything
[12:34] <yoko-omo> nice
[12:34] <cwillu> anyone know anything about synaptic?
[12:34] <OMarin> nice site  www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:34] <airox> mount foo.iso -t iso9660 -o loop=/dev/loop0 /mnt/cdrom/ That won't work right ?
[12:34] <zenrox> airox,  read www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:35] <WillCooke> greets apokryphos
[12:35] <apokryphos> hi there
[12:35] <selinium_> Hi shock and zenrox, good to see you again!
[12:36] <shock> hoi
[12:36] <WillCooke> apokryphos, how goes it?
[12:36] <zenrox> hi selinium_
[12:36] <airox> zenrox: Thanks.
[12:36] <zenrox> airox,  n/p
[12:37] <yoko-omo> ok, post script viewer in hoary will crash your s
[12:37] <apokryphos> WillCooke: all pretty swell. Some kde issues, but they're fixing up. Yourself?
[12:37] <yoko-omo> system
[12:37] <selinium_> shock and zenrox: Thanks for all your help over the last few days. I will be glad when I have worked it all out! Can you suggest any good linux books?
[12:37] <zenrox> selinium_,  any thang that has linux in them
[12:37] <WillCooke> apokryohos, Bad!  I stuck Warty on the wife's box, and now it's fooked.
[12:38] <selinium_> zenrox: LOL!
[12:38] <zenrox> i found a good one i use that covers 5 difent distros and has good basic info
[12:38] <zenrox> all the distros are really old tho
[12:38] <zenrox> but the info is still bacickly the same
[12:38] <zenrox> still
[12:38] <apokryphos> WillCooke: Heh. Best thing I ever did to my Ubuntu ;-). 3.4 is really sweet now, too. Put some screenies on the forum.
[12:38] <mdke> help! i can't log into gnome. permissions are screwed. Anyone else got this problem?
[12:38] <blizah> gotta love being a n00b im just plugging in stuff in the terminal based on this howto to get mplayer installed :D
[12:38] <blizah> no idea what im doing :D
[12:39] <mdke> help help help
[12:39] <airox> blizah: heheeh
[12:39] <WillCooke> apokryphos, turns out the install CD I burnt was bad.  Having to download again!
[12:39] <selinium_> mdke: www.ubuntuguide.org has a few things you could try!
[12:39] <cwillu> Why.  Does.  Synaptic.  Keep.  Freezing.
[12:39] <WillCooke> apokryphos, I quite fancy trying kbuntu
[12:39] <ompaul> selinium_, I suggest the debian bible and the linux 2005 bible linux trouble shooting bible all by wiley and any number of books from oreilly
[12:39] <mdke> selinium_, hmm. I can't change the permissions in my home directory. Has it got something for that?
[12:40] <shock> off to sleep now... n8 all
[12:40] <apokryphos> WillCooke: a good idea, I think. They're testing things out at the mo. Haven't tried the iso myself. Can just use hoary and install from there
[12:40] <WillCooke> apokryphos, Why KDE instead of Gnome for you?
[12:40] <selinium_> mdke: As i remeber it has how to overide permissions in there. With an install cd and the like
[12:40] <selinium_> ompaul: Cheers for the pointer!
[12:41] <apokryphos> WillCooke: Power, efficiency, programs, options, general feel etc.
[12:41] <ompaul> selinium_, I hope you find it of use
[12:41] <mdke> Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!
[12:41] <mdke> selinium_, will have a look
[12:41] <LinuxJones> mdke, create a new user account and log into that one
[12:41] <mdke> LinuxJones, ok i'll do that
[12:41] <mdke> LinuxJones, will that help?
[12:41] <LinuxJones> mdke, yes
[12:42] <selinium_> mdke: yuo can then sudo with the new user
[12:42] <mdke> LinuxJones, how?
[12:42] <mdke> ah is that the reason?
[12:42] <OMarin>  use
[12:42] <OMarin> [20:41:52]  <mdke> Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!
[12:42] <LinuxJones> mdke, it will create all necessary files with correct ownership
[12:42] <OMarin> soory
[12:42] <mdke> LinuxJones, yes but what about my previous user?
[12:42] <WillCooke> apokryphos, I haven't used KDE for ages, I always thought it was a little "heavy" compared to gnome.  KDE certainly looks pretty
[12:43] <selinium_> Anyone here connected ubuntu to a palm device?
[12:43] <ompaul> if you can create such a user you can edit /etc/sudoers and make your new user have access to `ALL`
[12:43] <woodywarty> Is Gentoo more secure than Ubuntu ?
[12:43] <selinium_> Goodnoght shock!
[12:43] <WillCooke> selinium, yes and no!
[12:43] <ompaul> mdke that last comment by me was for you
[12:43] <mdke> ompaul, yeah but i'll need to be root to do that
[12:43] <cwillu> what do you mean by security?
[12:43] <LinuxJones> mdke, or you could try chown -R user:user /home/userfolder  ie user= user account name
[12:43] <WillCooke> selinium, Yes I have, No it doesn't work (properly)
[12:43] <apokryphos> WillCooke: first word that came to my mind with the new kde was "lite", funnily enough :D. Heh. I don't think KDE or Gnome suits everyone. Different needs, different tastes, different aesthetics.
[12:44] <cwillu> out of the box?  as a server?
[12:44] <soren9580> how do i tell when my crontab has been executed?
[12:44] <cwillu> coffee shop?
[12:44] <mcphail> selinium_: Linux books? Try Linux from Scratch - you'll learn a lot
[12:44] <mdke> LinuxJones, it already has the right owners.
[12:44] <cwillu> woodywarty
[12:44] <mcphail> soren9580: you should get mail
[12:44] <soren9580> cool
[12:44] <warty_> hello
[12:44] <mdke> cron should log as well
[12:44] <selinium_> Cheers mcphail I'll give it a look!
[12:45] <airox> hi warty_ :))
[12:45] <LinuxJones> mdke, well something is messed up try creating the new user account
[12:45] <warty_> seems like ubuntu liveCD doesn't support smbmount huh?
[12:45] <mdke> LinuxJones, ok what groups?
[12:45] <WillCooke> apokryphos, I'm told CD/DVD burning is a lot better in KDE, which is a good reason to try it for me
[12:45] <zenrox> selinium_,  biger the book the better
[12:45] <selinium_> zenrox: :D
[12:45] <LinuxJones> mdke, when you create the suer Ubuntu will create a group for you
[12:45] <LinuxJones> err user
[12:45] <mcphail> selinium_: the SuSE manuals are good as well
[12:45] <apokryphos> WillCooke: I think k3b is the best program out there for it, yes.
[12:46] <mdke> LinuxJones, umm. i need to specify the groups that a user will be in right?
[12:46] <zenrox> WillCooke, also try graveman
[12:46] <ompaul> right so I am off to bed, night all
[12:46] <LinuxJones> mdke, Ubuntu will add you to the groups
[12:46] <WillCooke> zenrox, Ta, I'll have a look
[12:46] <mdke> LinuxJones, so just "useradd nick"?
[12:46] <selinium_> Cheers for all the pointers, I'm am off for some well desevred ZZZ's :D
[12:46] <LinuxJones> mdke, are you in the account that you installed the system on ?
[12:47] <mdke> yes
[12:47] <warty_> any ideas for smbmount alternatives for the ubuntu liveCD?
[12:47] <LinuxJones> mdke, ok sudo admin-users
[12:47] <WillCooke> does graveman to dvd?
[12:47] <LinuxJones> mdke, use the gui it's easier :)
[12:48] <mdke> LinuxJones, you read my question at the beginning right?
[12:48] <warty__> alright...worked!
[12:48] <warty__> er...
[12:48] <airox> :)
[12:48] <LinuxJones> mdke, no
[12:49] <mdke> *sighs*
[12:49] <thr1ce> ok...may I ask a few more questions?
[12:49] <LinuxJones> mdke, you can't use sudo ?
[12:49] <soren9580> is there a way to use rsync and include my password?
[12:49] <soren9580> so i can put it into a crontab file?
[12:49] <thr1ce> so, fluxbox can be installed easily?
[12:49] <mdke> LinuxJones, "Pleeeease somebody help me? My problem is thus: I cannot log into gnome and I've noticed that most of the permissions in my home directory are not readable for my user. I have attempted to change the permissions as root as nothing happens. Help!"
[12:50] <warty_> mdke, chmod 755 /home/$user/* -R
[12:50] <LinuxJones> mdke, what is your user account on the system ?
[12:50] <mdke> warty_, as i said, I've done that
[12:50] <sabdfl> mdke: where $user should be your username
[12:50] <warty_> mdke, ls -lh /home/$user
[12:50] <warty_> who owns everything?
[12:50] <mdke> i've done it goddammit and the permissions don't change
[12:50] <mdke> the user owns everything
[12:51] <thr1ce> ok...where can I see what programs are available to be installed through apt-get?
[12:51] <apokryphos> thr1ce: synaptic
[12:51] <LinuxJones> mdke, what happens when you try to login, does it just hang or is there an error that comes up ?
[12:51] <mdke> it hangs and then gdm restarts
[12:51] <mcphail> gn
[12:52] <mdke> some of the permissions have changed, and some remain drwx------
[12:52] <cwillu> how does one change the synaptic touchpad settings?
[12:52] <thr1ce> what is the root password on a live CD?
[12:52] <thr1ce> lol
[12:53] <mdke> anyone?
[12:53] <LinuxJones> mdke, were you ever able to log in ?
[12:53] <mdke> sure
[12:53] <mdke> until this evening
[12:53] <LinuxJones> mdke, ok did you do any system upgrades or anything ?
[12:53] <warty_> how can i get smbfs support on the liveCD?
[12:53] <Sk8Phate> Does anyone know the minimum system specifications to install and run ubuntu?
[12:53] <warty_> or is there any way i can mount any remote systems on the Ubuntu LiveCD?
[12:53] <thr1ce> ok...I tried synamptic, but I cannot do it without root access; what is sudo password on live CD?
[12:54] <AndyR> lo all
[12:54] <cwillu> Sk8Phate:  32 megs ram
[12:54] <AndyR> has anyone seen this on hoary? usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -110
[12:54] <mdke> linuxboy, just did some more
[12:54] <airox> thr1ce: Your account password.
[12:54] <mdke> LinuxJones ^^
[12:54] <mdke> LinuxJones, its up to date now
[12:54] <Sk8Phate> thanks, what about cpu speed?
[12:54] <mdke> lemme restart
[12:55] <LinuxJones> mdke, alright you on the system right here in irc or is it another machine ?
[12:55] <cwillu> How do I configure my touchpad?
[12:55] <thr1ce> cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[12:55] <thr1ce> should work...
[12:55] <mdke> LinuxJones, another machine
[12:55] <andrewski> how do i change the default boottime keyboard map?
[12:55] <thr1ce> so the list in synaptic is a list of packages that aren't upgraded...?
[12:55] <LinuxJones> mdke, ok hit ctrl + alt + F2 then login your user account
[12:56] <mdke> yes
[12:56] <LinuxJones> mdke, type sudo -s and re-enter your user's password
[12:56] <mdke> yes
[12:56] <yasoo> after installing the new kernel linux-image-686 the x server crashes. i think the problem is the nvidia driver(geforce 6800). it was fine on the old kernel..
[12:56] <thr1ce> where can I find packages that are available to be added through apt-get
[12:56] <Loiosh> You have to reinstall the driver, Yasoo
[12:57] <Loiosh> It attaches itself to the kernel
[12:57] <yasoo> how?
[12:57] <OMarin> waht the diference between su and sudo? if my english is so bad sorry, I'm not american
[12:57] <mdke> lol
[12:57] <King_Crimson> i have a problem
[12:57] <mdke> LinuxJones, ok done those things
[12:57] <robertj> OMarin: su runs a new shell as a user
[12:57] <LinuxJones> mdke, now create a new user account by typing   useradd linux  (or whatever account name you want to use)
[12:57] <apokryphos> thr1ce: erm, I answered before: synaptic. It's the GUI front-end of apt-get
[12:57] <robertj> sudo runs a command as another user
[12:58] <yasoo> Loiosh: nvidia-glx-config disable/enable? this is the only command i know
[12:58] <Loiosh> yasoo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <King_Crimson> can anyone help me?
[12:58] <thr1ce> apokryphos, yeah, I ran that, and it only lists pacakges that I have running currently
[12:58] <Loiosh> Hopefully that'll work =)
[12:58] <apokryphos> robertj: nope, it runs the command as you, but simply you with root permissions
[12:58] <thr1ce> or are all of those the ones that can be upgraded?
[12:58] <LinuxJones> mdke, type passwd username (username is the name of the account you just created)
[12:58] <thr1ce> (i have the warty live CD)
[12:58] <tck> King_Crimson, just ask away
[12:58] <apokryphos> thr1ce: no it doesn't. You're telling me they're all "checked"?
[12:58] <robertj> apokryphos: hrmm
[12:58] <mdke> LinuxJones, interesting. I hasn't been able to create a home directory
[12:58] <mdke> *it
[12:58] <apokryphos> thr1ce: or rather, they're all green?
[12:58] <OMarin> robertj: how can i use sudo?
[12:58] <robertj> yeah, your right, and you can of course specify a non-root user
[12:58] <thr1ce> apokryphos, um...they're all green
[12:58] <King_Crimson> ok
[12:59] <thr1ce> apokryphos, what does that mean ?
[12:59] <King_Crimson> i  i burnt a live cd
[12:59] <tck> King_Crimson, ok
[12:59] <robertj> OMarin: sudo <command>
[12:59] <apokryphos> thr1ce: then you have all the packages installed from apt, weirdly enough. Not quite sure why you did, but hey...
[12:59] <robertj> and then use the password of the current user
[12:59] <LinuxJones> mdke, dude I have no idea what's going on with your system best to re-install.
[12:59] <King_Crimson> and wen i put it in, the ubuntu loading screen comes up, it loads all the way, and then it makes hte logon noise.
[12:59] <robertj> as long as that user is in the admin group, which the first user is by default
[12:59] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I have nothing installed (it's a live CD)
[12:59] <mdke> LinuxJones, :(
[12:59] <apokryphos> thr1ce: though, I'm sure you couldn't :D, since some packages confict..
[12:59] <King_Crimson> but hten the screen is black, my monitro goes into power save mode
[12:59] <apokryphos> thr1ce: oooh. That's different then.
[12:59] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I was told that I could install things like fluxbox from apt-get
[12:59] <tck> King_Crimson, have you checked the ubuntu wiki for compatiblilty
[01:00] <apokryphos> thr1ce: for the live CD?
[01:00] <LinuxJones> mdke, your system is messed up it only takes 1/2 an hour to re-install
[01:00] <apokryphos> err..
[01:00] <King_Crimson> compatibility with wat?
[01:00] <tck> King_Crimson, what is the computer
[01:00] <OMarin> robertj: thanks for the definitions
[01:00] <thr1ce> apokryphos, no...just in general- if I were to switch
[01:00] <tck> what is the monitor
[01:00] <King_Crimson> its a Pentium 3, windows xp
[01:00] <apokryphos> thr1ce: If you make the switch, then you can of course install fluxbox etc.
[01:00] <mdke> LinuxJones, i have to back up too
[01:00] <King_Crimson> brb
[01:00] <thr1ce> apokryphos, yes... i was just looking for a list of the "etc"
[01:00] <thr1ce> :P
[01:01] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you can browse the repositories, if you want.
[01:01] <apokryphos> not the funnest of things, naturally.
[01:01] <thr1ce> apokryphos, of course...I'm just curious what's available...are many packages easy to find?  mostly like aterm, fluxbox, mplayer...etc.
[01:01] <ells> does anyone know about smb or samba
[01:01] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: im running flux
[01:02] <johnnybezak> ells a bit
[01:02] <apokryphos> thr1ce: of course
[01:02] <Loiosh> I do a little, ells
[01:02] <OMarin> what version of gnome have in ubuntu 4.10 by default in the cd of installation??
[01:02] <ells> well, know that I am using a wep, I cannot connect using smb
[01:02] <apokryphos> thr1ce: Ubuntu has a debian backbone... repositories are super.
[01:02] <thr1ce> 2.8.1
[01:02] <HiddenWolf> Omarin: 2.8
[01:02] <airox> 2.8.1
[01:02] <LinuxJones> OMarin, 2.8
[01:02] <airox> :))
[01:02] <thr1ce> apokryphos, ok...I'm a slackware user...so i'm used to doing things by hand... :)
[01:02] <ells> is that normal
[01:02] <OMarin> thanks everybody
[01:02] <Loiosh> As far as I'm aware, the connection method shouldn't matter, ells.
[01:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: whatever blows your hair back ;-)
[01:03] <thr1ce> i'm a big fan of "the best linux distro is the one that you like the best..."
[01:03] <thr1ce> so, i'm trying a few out
[01:03] <ells> Loiosh, can you tell me what might be wrong
[01:03] <ells> first i had the files shared, it worked
[01:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: which is, of course, true :P. No such thing as an objective linux distro, and -- quite frankly -- there never will be.
[01:03] <ells> and then I used the wep and cannot
[01:03] <Loiosh> Well, I can try to guess with a little more information. Is the Windows machine doing the sharing, or the linux machine?
[01:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: objective *best linux distro
[01:03] <ells> the windows is sharing
[01:04] <thr1ce> apokryphos, so...updates are available (lets say a brand new Gaim is released) regularly?
[01:04] <thr1ce> i run slackware -current, which is updated once or twice a week
[01:04] <Loiosh> Ok, what mount command do you use? Make sure you remove your password if you paste it here =)
[01:04] <apokryphos> thr1ce: good thing with running Ubuntu, or perhaps debian systems in general, is that the vast majority of the time, you're on the cutting edge of the distro. Kind of like running your OS's cvs
[01:04] <ells> smb:IP
[01:04] <ells> smb://IP
[01:04] <apokryphos> thr1ce: regular updates are easy; only take two commands...
[01:05] <thr1ce> and apt-get is pretty stable?  i've used a few auto-updaters that can bork some deps pretty bad
[01:05] <Loiosh> Ahh
[01:05] <andrewski> apokryphos: but that's not as much the case as it is with gentoo, for example.  not to flame, just to put it into perspective.
[01:05] <ells> Loiosh, am I doing something wrong
[01:05] <Loiosh> What ip address does your linux machine have, and what is for your Windows one?
[01:05] <apokryphos> thr1ce: sure
[01:05] <Loiosh> I've never used the smb:// feature before
[01:05] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, apt-get is awesome
[01:05] <apokryphos> andrewski: what's not the case?
[01:05] <thr1ce> ok
[01:05] <OMarin> somebody know if modem intel 537ep works in ubuntu?
[01:06] <andrewski> apokryphos: that you're on the "cutting edge"
[01:06] <ells> linux, <IP_ADDRESS>, win, <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:06] <ells> both firewalled
[01:06] <thr1ce> so i just run a distro-update from apt-get every few days, and I'm as bleeding edge as it comes...?  :P
[01:06] <Loiosh> Ohh
[01:06] <Loiosh> Try this
[01:06] <ells> yeap
[01:06] <ells> okay
[01:06] <Loiosh> smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:06] <ells> okay, hold on
[01:06] <Loiosh> /msg me what it says
[01:06] <thr1ce> damnit!  now i want to switch to ubuntu...
[01:06] <thr1ce> er, wait!
[01:06] <Loiosh> LoL
[01:06] <thr1ce> is xfce available?
[01:07] <thr1ce> :)
[01:07] <apokryphos> andrewski: Sure. Gentoo isn't based on debian though, is it :P
[01:07] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, you type apt-get update (updates the package list) then apt-get upgrade (downloads and installs all updates)
[01:07] <apokryphos> thr1ce: of course
[01:07] <andrewski> thr1ce: no, not as bleeding-edge as it comes.  almost, but only as close as packages are released.
[01:07] <andrewski> thr1ce: yup, 4.2 packages, provided by one of the developers.
[01:07] <thr1ce> LinuxJones, and that is pretty reliable and efficient?
[01:07] <andrewski> thr1ce: but not on ubuntu's repositories; it's on os-works.com
[01:07] <Loiosh> Gentoo is totally bleeding edge crazy =)
[01:07] <thr1ce> so is slackware -current
[01:08] <ells> Loiosh, in console
[01:08] <aspro> i use xfce4.2 works great!
[01:08] <Loiosh> Yes
[01:08] <jcurry> i'm an debian user looking to use ubuntu xorg packages...can someone tell me where ubuntu installes xorg?
[01:08] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, I bet all of your systems will be running Ubuntu within 2 weeks :)
[01:08] <aspro> and it is in the hoary repos
[01:08] <apokryphos> Every computer in our house has a different Distro :P
[01:08] <thr1ce> lol
[01:08] <apokryphos> different tastes
[01:08] <thr1ce> well, I'm pretty impressed with this liveCD
[01:08] <andrewski> aspro: is it?
[01:08] <aspro> aye
[01:08] <thr1ce> i've never used a debian-based system
[01:09] <aspro> thats where I got it form
[01:09] <Xappe> oh, god, i'm drun...sorry...
[01:09] <Loiosh> Yes, ells in console
[01:09] <molson> Anyone get their Palm Tungsten E to sync with Ubuntu?
[01:09] <andrewski> wow, it wasn't a little while ago.  i'll have to check it out; maybe i could get rid of a repository or two. ;P
[01:09] <Xappe> *drunk
[01:09] <tck> thr1ce, is that the hoary live cd, and if so did you try the warty one ?
[01:09] <cwillu> thr1ce, you might want to have a look at beatrix as well, it's debian, and draws off ubuntu.  Not quite as polished in many ways, but it does what it does well
[01:09] <mz2> is there a way of installing ubuntu without a bootable cd?
[01:09] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, I would check out www.ubuntuguide.org it answers all the basic questions about using Ubuntu for new users.
[01:09] <ells> Loiosh, it says it failed
[01:09] <cwillu> http://www.watsky.org I believe
[01:09] <mz2> or rather a cd drive at all
[01:09] <Loiosh> Failed to connect?
[01:09] <ells> yeap
[01:09] <Loiosh> I need to see the exact fail message
[01:09] <ells> okay
[01:09] <mdke> hi all, thanks to seb128 I am making a little progress with my problem. My partition is mounted errors=remount-ro. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[01:09] <thr1ce> this is the warty CD
[01:09] <tck> ok
[01:09] <jcurry> i'm an debian user looking to use ubuntu xorg packages...can someone tell me where ubuntu installes xorg?
[01:10] <Loiosh> I'm betting your firewall is blocking the connection.
[01:10] <ells> Error connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> (Operation already in progress)
[01:10] <ells> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed
[01:10] <apokryphos> thr1ce: and, ubuntulinux.org will answer other questions such as history/philosophy.
[01:10] <Loiosh> Oh, hmm
[01:10] <thr1ce> LinuxJones, well, yeah...i just wanted a few specific questiosn answered, seeing as how i'm not really a linux newb
[01:10] <Loiosh> Operation already in progress
[01:10] <ells> that is what it said
[01:10] <tck> jcurry, prob. /usr/bin/X11
[01:10] <Loiosh> That means it's already trying to connect
[01:10] <ells> I will check, hold on
[01:10] <jcurry> tck, k, thanks
[01:10] <thr1ce> so, if I install this, apt-get distro upgrade will pretty much get me running hoary ?
[01:10] <Loiosh> To see the exact error message, you may have to log out / log in. But I'm not certain.
[01:10] <King_Crimson> im back
[01:10] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence or anything, but there is alot of good info on there with regards to how Ubuntu does things
[01:11] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you'll have to change your sources.list first, but yes, it will.
[01:11] <LinuxJones> :)
[01:11] <aspro> thr1ce, not from warty, you'd need to change repo's
[01:11] <thr1ce> what's the difference between a fully upgraded warty and hoary ?
[01:11] <aspro> alot
[01:11] <Fleebailey33> please come to #palm. were really new a channel. its support for palm. we would like you guys to help us grow
[01:11] <aspro> :P
[01:11] <ells> Loiosh, it now shows the network, but when clicked, it hangs, and does nothing
[01:11] <thr1ce> aspro, like...?  newer packages?
[01:12] <aspro> yeah, xorg and the like
[01:12] <apokryphos> thr1ce: They're different entirely. Warty is the older version (and it is a version). Like you running FC2, while Hoary is FC3
[01:12] <scorpix> i do ln -sf /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd , how can i remove/undo it?
[01:12] <Loiosh> Ok, ells, try logging out / in. I need you to close that connection and run the smbclient command.
[01:12] <thr1ce> warty fully upgraded doesnt' have X 6.8.2 ?
[01:12] <ells> okay
[01:12] <woodywarty> ells, are you using Hoary ?
[01:12] <apokryphos> thr1ce: warty uses xfree
[01:12] <andrewski> scorpix: delete the link
[01:12] <thr1ce> oh man...
[01:12] <ells> warty
[01:12] <thr1ce> lol
[01:12] <apokryphos> thr1ce: I'm sure you could dream of it in terms of slackware
[01:13] <OMarin> a package for debian works in ubuntu?
[01:13] <woodywarty> Slackware rocks
[01:13] <thr1ce> apokryphos, xfree was gone at slackware 9.1!!!
[01:13] <apokryphos> my socks
[01:13] <jcurry> OMarin, ubuntu is based of debian
[01:13] <apokryphos> thr1ce: there you go ;-). Running warty is like you running slack 9.1 when 10.0 is out.
[01:13] <LinuxJones> OMarin, the package is probably available for install in the Ubuntu repositories
[01:13] <woodywarty> ells, I think that your subnet mask or some basic network setup is little mixed up
[01:13] <ells> root@steveslaptop:/home/steve # smbclient -L <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:13] <ells> timeout connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:445
[01:13] <ells> timeout connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>:139
[01:13] <ells> Error connecting to <IP_ADDRESS> (Operation already in progress)
[01:13] <ells> Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed
[01:13] <apokryphos> though hoary is technically still in developement :P
[01:13] <thr1ce> but running warty fully upgraded wont' get me to slackware 10 ?
[01:13] <woodywarty> Can you ping it
[01:14] <thr1ce> ells, ping the IP
[01:14] <ells> woodywarty, what you suggest
[01:14] <jcurry> OMarin, and debian doesn't currently package xorg...and i want it :)
[01:14] <ells> okay, hold on
[01:14] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: nope you need hoary for bleeding edge
[01:14] <apokryphos> thr1ce: hoary is where it's at. Why would you not want to go for it? ;-)
[01:14] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I would definitely go for it
[01:14] <woodywarty> Slackware beats Ubuntu 3 times in terms of speed
[01:14] <thr1ce> really?
[01:14] <ells> root@steveslaptop:/home/steve # ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:14] <ells> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:14] <LinuxJones> jcurry, why not install Ubuntu ?
[01:14] <OMarin> LinuxJones: yeah, when I install I'll search
[01:14] <Loiosh> Ohoh, ells
[01:14] <AndyR> anyone have an answer about usb 1-1: device not accepting address 11, error -110
[01:15] <ells> Loiosh, what
[01:15] <woodywarty> But loses 3 times in terms of package management
[01:15] <johnnybezak> woodywarty: but you lose that time downloading deps for all the packages you wnat to install :)
[01:15] <Xappe> OMarin, don't trust me (i'm drunk as hell) but if you're lucky debian packages willl work
[01:15] <Loiosh> No ping replies?
[01:15] <LinuxJones> OMarin, ;)
[01:15] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i have my debian system *way* too customized
[01:15] <ells> I will retry, hold on
[01:15] <mz2> or can i even do a dist-upgrade from woody to hoary? :D
[01:15] <Loiosh> Heheeh
[01:15] <thr1ce> ls -a /var/log/packages is the best type of package management IMO
[01:15] <LinuxJones> jcurry, cusom kernels qnd whatnot ?
[01:15] <AndyR> all usb mass-storage has stopped working
[01:15] <jcurry> LinuxJones, migrating would simply take too much time, which i don't have
[01:15] <OMarin> jcurry: xorg 6.8 have in ubuntu?
[01:15] <jcurry> LinuxJones, that too :)
[01:15] <soren9580> i need to run rsync as a cronjob
[01:16] <thr1ce> woodywarty, you've really noticed a big decrease in speed?  even if I've got a 2100 athlon with a gig of ram?
[01:16] <jcurry> OMarin, what? ubuntu has 6.8, debian doesn't
[01:16] <soren9580> is there a way to just stick my password in the crontab file
[01:16] <soren9580> to make it work?
[01:16] <Loiosh> I'm not much for slack. It's.. too manly for me.
[01:16] <apokryphos> Yeah, heard of quite a few debian users taking the ubu xorg
[01:16] <jcurry> LinuxJones, but i do recommend ubuntu to my friends
[01:16] <soren9580> or how should i go about getting the password stuff to work?
[01:16] <woodywarty> Well just reduce the configuration by 2 times and you will see the difference
[01:16] <ells> Loiosh, how can I find out what my own IP ish
[01:16] <ells> is
[01:16] <Loiosh> ifconfig ath0
[01:16] <ells> okay
[01:17] <Loiosh> If you're using wireless?
[01:17] <Loiosh> Or just ifconfig
[01:17] <thr1ce> man...I feel so leet running slackware...lol
[01:17] <jcurry> apokryphos, i tried compiling my own first, but apt upgrading xfree would mess with that
[01:17] <thr1ce> you guys make it seem like the impossible
[01:17] <LinuxJones> jcurry, changing distros is a pain but It was worth it for me to switch to Ubuntu, man it's awesome
[01:17] <Loiosh> Hehehe thr1ce, if you can do that, Ubuntu will be nothing =)
[01:17] <thr1ce> Loiosh, yeah, so I imagine
[01:17] <OMarin> jcurry: ubuntu use xorg or xfree?
[01:17] <jcurry> LinuxJones, what benefits will i get, exactly?
[01:17] <ells> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[01:17] <ells> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:17] <ells> From <IP_ADDRESS> icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
[01:17] <thr1ce> as long as I can be bleeding edge, I think I'll do ti
[01:17] <jcurry> OMarin, hoary uses xorg, warty uses xfree
[01:18] <Yomic> I'm having truble installing java. Can anyone help me?
[01:18] <thr1ce> AND as long as I can have fluxbox :)
[01:18] <LinuxJones> jcurry, well there are regular release cycles for 1, the irc channel is full of cool people and the developers are very nice to offer help when they have time
[01:18] <Yomic> I'm using the ubuntuguide faq but I'm getting an error.
[01:18] <ells> Loiosh, what ya think
[01:18] <OMarin> jcurry: hoary was released?
[01:18] <tck> lads King_Crimson has a geforce fx5200 ultra
[01:18] <jeff_> does anyone know if you can run windows visual stuido under linux
[01:18] <jcurry> OMarin, i don't know
[01:18] <tck> anyone have problems with that before ?
[01:18] <ells> Loiosh, do you think it is my router
[01:18] <jeff_> or compile sources for it
[01:19] <jeff_> with linux
[01:19] <jdub> jeff_: relatively unlikely.
[01:19] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: once youve had it you cant go back hey? :)
[01:19] <thr1ce> just not a big gnome fan unfortunately
[01:19] <thr1ce> a little bloated for me
[01:19] <Zotnix> :D Someone pingbacked my blog and I'm happy.
[01:19] <LinuxJones> jcurry, there is also 18 months support for a release which will co-incide with the gnome release schedule afaik ;)
[01:19] <woodywarty> Try FreeBSD
[01:19] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i run sid, which has updates whenever i want it, and #debian has the coolest bot ever, dpkg :)
[01:19] <Loiosh> Ells: How is your network configured? I'm guessing you have a cable modem/DSL router, your windows computer connected to that, then a wireless router?
[01:19] <thr1ce> netBSD he menas :P
[01:19] <Zotnix> I wrote a small piece on Ubuntu and basically explained why *I* liked it... and someone said I explained it very well.
[01:19] <jcurry> LinuxJones, and i don't run gnome :)
[01:20] <ells> cable modem, yes
[01:20] <thr1ce> does hoary use betas and RC's ?
[01:20] <LinuxJones> jcurry, the only thing I miss about the Debian irc channel is the bot, doesn't say much for the other people there :D
[01:20] <thr1ce> like, gnome 2.9 for example
[01:20] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i think i only talk to the bot
[01:20] <apokryphos> thr1ce: well, kind of. Hoary is technically in developement.. and arrays are issued every so often
[01:20] <Loiosh> Ells: How are your connections setup?
[01:20] <LinuxJones> jcurry, IMHO there are some real lamers in that channel
[01:20] <jcurry> LinuxJones, it tells me all i need to know, and people to have to answer the same question a million times
[01:20] <ells> Loiosh, what do you mean exactly
[01:20] <beowuff> Why are the multimedia Plugin for firefox different for Pentium 4 and everything else on ubuntuguide?
[01:20] <apokryphos> thr1ce: but, they're more just snapshots on ISOs
[01:21] <ells> I can see the computers name
[01:21] <ells> when clicking network
[01:21] <Loiosh> Nono, nothing technical
[01:21] <LinuxJones> jcurry, I wish they would install it here
[01:21] <thr1ce> apokryphos, right...so, it's stable in theory >?
[01:21] <Loiosh> You have a cablemodem. What is connected to the cablemodem?
[01:21] <ells> when I click the link, they wont come up
[01:21] <ells> the router
[01:21] <jcurry> LinuxJones, i still don't think lamers in #debian is a reason i should switch to ubuntu
[01:21] <apokryphos> thr1ce: very much so, yes.
[01:21] <Loiosh> Ok, this is the wireless router?
[01:21] <ells> yes
[01:21] <LinuxJones> jcurry, no but it's another fringe benefit :P
[01:21] <jcurry> LinuxJones, and if i get a new computer (i plan to), i will install debian on it anyway
[01:22] <ells> with a land line connection as well
[01:22] <Loiosh> What is its ip address?
[01:22] <Yomic> I'm having truble installing java. I'm using the ubuntuguide.org faq but I'm recieving an error.
[01:22] <ells> <IP_ADDRESS>, I think
[01:22] <LinuxJones> jcurry, if your happy with Debian that's cool I ran it for 3 years
[01:22] <Loiosh> And your Windows computer?
[01:22] <jcurry> LinuxJones, imho, ubuntu only has user-friendlyness over debian, and i am a power user...i can manage
[01:22] <woodywarty> Well FreeBSD is the best
[01:22] <thr1ce> netBSD *
[01:22] <jcurry> LinuxJones, but i do recommend it to beginners, for that same userfriendlyness
[01:23] <thr1ce> :)
[01:23] <HiddenWolf> jcurry: it has over debian that it actually goes somewhere
[01:23] <Yomic> I didn't like netbsd too much.
[01:23] <thr1ce> woodywarty, you truly think that slackware is quicker?
[01:23] <Zotnix> I think Ubuntu at this very moment is not very user friendly.
[01:23] <Loiosh> I would believe that slax is quicker.
[01:23] <Zotnix> It's between, say, using Slackware, and using Mandrake.
[01:23] <thr1ce> what!?
[01:23] <Loiosh> Than Ubuntu
[01:23] <thr1ce> those are complete opposites
[01:23] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, the distro is only like 4 months old :D
[01:24] <Zotnix> I know. We are in the middle.
[01:24] <jcurry> HiddenWolf, i see what you mean, but i don't necessarily see debian's current state as problematic
[01:24] <thr1ce> oh...lol
[01:24] <out_of_focus> Hello
[01:24] <Zotnix> Ubuntu has some nice "user friendly" features but I don't think it is quite as easy as some other distros.
[01:24] <apokryphos> thr1ce: Can't really compare ubuntu to anything other than debian, I don't think.
[01:24] <thr1ce> what about on a fast machine?  will a big difference be noticed?
[01:24] <apokryphos> maybe Mepis, but never tried it
[01:24] <jcurry> HiddenWolf, they'll sort everything out, i think
[01:24] <HiddenWolf> jcurry: How long have we been waiting on sarge?
[01:24] <out_of_focus> Zotnix: what other distros are more user friendly than Ubuntu?
[01:24] <johnnybezak> mandrake
[01:24] <mdke> seb128, sorry to bother you again, but maybe you are the only person that can help. Why would my partition mount -ro like that? I've run fsck and there are no errors
[01:25] <johnnybezak> any one with a graphical installer :)
[01:25] <Zotnix> Mandrake, SUSE, Red Hat, (and in essense Fedora and CentOS)
[01:25] <knapjack> Anyone know if bzflag 2.0 is in Hoary sources?
[01:25] <out_of_focus> graphical installers require more resources and such
[01:25] <thr1ce> what about odd pacakges; like gtkpod ?
[01:25] <Zotnix> Not graphical installer wise.
[01:25] <HiddenWolf> jcurry: they will sort it out, but they'll have to get their groove on
[01:25] <seb128> mdke: what line do you have in /etc/fstab for this partition ?
[01:25] <Zotnix> not talking graphical installer at all.
[01:25] <Zotnix> I mean general use.
[01:25] <mdke> seb128, defaults,errors-ro...
[01:25] <thr1ce> is gtkpod atp-get able?
[01:25] <johnnybezak> well shit they all run gnome or kde so there is hardly any difference
[01:25] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, all those distro run like crap for me
[01:25] <OMarin> when hoary will release?
[01:25] <Loiosh> I haven't tried Mandrake. I don't like them trying to sell me crap when I just want to download the dists.
[01:26] <mdke> seb128, its just one partition as .
[01:26] <mdke> */
[01:26] <seb128> mdke: the option comes from here, dunno why you get errors on the drive tough
[01:26] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, lot of bloat. Oddly once I disabled a lot on Mandrake it ran faster than most distros I've used.
[01:26] <seb128> though
[01:26] <out_of_focus> distros in which you are paying for something, i don't consider them to be true open source
[01:26] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: the difference is great ;-). If it wasn't, this channel would be *very* small and #gnome/#kde would be huge.
[01:26] <out_of_focus> such as xandros and mandrake
[01:26] <Zotnix> Mandrake for me was free.
[01:26] <mdke> seb128, should i eliminate that line in fstab?
[01:26] <seb128> probably not
[01:26] <mdke> well not the whole line obviously
[01:26] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: you dont have to pay for mandrake
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, I started with Mandrake back in 2000 it was a real breath of fresh air coming from windows
[01:26] <seb128> in remounts on ro on errors
[01:26] <Loiosh> It is free, Zot
[01:27] <OMarin> when hoary will release?
[01:27] <Loiosh> But, when I go to download it, I have to click through advertisements of their paid-dists.
[01:27] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, I loved Mandrake. I just didn't like the fact it didn't have more obscure packages.
[01:27] <out_of_focus> the mandrake that you can download for free is a crippled version compared to the $80 pay version isn't it
[01:27] <LinuxJones> OMarin, in April
[01:27] <johnnybezak> apokryphos: i'm talking about user friendliness not what happens when stuff doesnt work
[01:27] <Loiosh> That kinda of attitude I detest.
[01:27] <out_of_focus> otherwise they wouldn't be able to make money off of their $80 version
[01:27] <Zotnix> And urpmi seemed sluggish. Not as bad as yum though.
[01:27] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: no it isn't it just doesnt have non free packages in it
[01:27] <rubixXx> whats a good game server browser for enemy-territory
[01:27] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, rpm's are poison that's why I switched to Debian
[01:27] <OMarin> LinuxJones: no choice to change this date?
[01:27] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: this channel isn't for just when stuff doesn't work, believe it or not, but sure, you're quite right otherwise.
[01:28] <mdke> seb128, i don't see any errors reported in dmesg
[01:28] <johnnybezak> i liked urpmi, it worked sweet for me
[01:28] <thr1ce> so...can I browse apt-get able (install) extra packages anywhere?
[01:28] <JDahl> out_of_focus, I think alot of people buy the mandrake CDs just to help the company
[01:28] <johnnybezak> apokryphos: hehe of course :)
[01:28] <out_of_focus> hmm
[01:28] <LinuxJones> OMarin, they should be getting ready to freeze hoary in a few weeks
[01:28] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: i think there is a web mirror
[01:28] <Loiosh> The point is that they force those adds on me. I don't appreciate it =)
[01:28] <Loiosh> So I won't use them.
[01:28] <out_of_focus> i'm downloading the Hoary live cd for ppc right now--i've never seen a ppc live cd before this
[01:28] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, yes...any idea where?
[01:29] <Marble2> what do I use to extract a .gz file?
[01:29] <rubixXx> thr1ce): take a look at Synaptic Package Manager's GUI frontend for ubuntu
[01:29] <OMarin> LinuxJones: thanks
[01:29] <soren9580> anyone know how to use a stored password using rsync when not using an rsync server?
[01:29] <thr1ce> a tar.gz?
[01:29] <Marble2> no
[01:29] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, that's because they coded urpmi in like ruby or something
[01:29] <Marble2> just .gz
[01:29] <thr1ce> tar xvfz file.tar.gz
[01:29] <LinuxJones> OMarin, ;)
[01:29] <seb128> mdke: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages ?
[01:29] <thr1ce> rubixXx, I am...I want a list of extra packages, like fluxbox
[01:29] <Zotnix> LinuxJones, both yum and urpmi liked to randomly freeze on me and take forever rebuilding indexes.
[01:29] <Zotnix> I suspect bad coding perhaps.
[01:29] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: just google ubuntu repository
[01:29] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, yeah exactly
[01:30] <Zotnix> But I have to say I loved right clicking on a folder and enabling sharing.
[01:30] <JDahl> thr1ce, fluxbox is universe or multiverse, I think
[01:30] <Loiosh> Heheh
[01:30] <Loiosh> That SuSE, Zot?
[01:30] <Zotnix> Or sharing internet without writing a dhcpd.conf file.
[01:30] <thr1ce> JDahl, that means nothing to me... :(
[01:30] <Zotnix> Loiosh, Mandrake.
[01:30] <HillTop> Anyone have trouble rebooting from hte latest hoary live CDs? I tried both the GNOME and KDE versions. I exit and after a little activity, nothing. So I try consol: # shutdown -r now  and after many lines and final reboot announcement -- nothing.
[01:30] <LinuxJones> Zotnix, I don't know why they didn't adopt apt4rpm it's just stupid to re-invent the wheel, especially something as good as apt
[01:30] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: the flux versiion with hoary is 0.9.9-1
[01:30] <mdke> seb128, should it be "root=/dev/hda1 ro single" in grub?
[01:30] <apokryphos> thr1ce: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[01:30] <Zotnix> I noticed GNOME implemented the right click -> share recently.
[01:31] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, aaw, that's an older version of fluxbox!
[01:31] <Zotnix> On Hoary.
[01:31] <ros_> i have a question about the thrash bin
[01:31] <Zotnix> Doesn't work very well yet.
[01:31] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: i just compiled from source here
[01:31] <thr1ce> i wanted fluxbox .9.12  :(
[01:31] <ros_> everytime i delete something, it does not show up in the thrash bin
[01:31] <jeff_> how do i mount a bin/cue file
[01:31] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: was no big deal at all
[01:31] <apokryphos> thr1ce: pretty much any package that debian has, ubu does, so this would mostly be easy to use: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages. Some differences, of course, though.
[01:31] <thr1ce> jeff_, you can't; man bin2iso
[01:32] <seb128> mdke: no, "single" is the "single user" mode
[01:32] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, yes, I know...but was hoping I wouldn't have to as much anymore...
[01:32] <jeff_> sure you can, if my memory serves me correcterly
[01:32] <jeff_> i just cant remeber
[01:32] <johnnybezak> i think that packages are ubuntu's single biggest weakness atm, but they are getting better
[01:32] <mdke> seb128, but ro is correct?
[01:32] <ros_> i have a question about the thrash bin
[01:32] <ros_> everytime i delete something, it does not show up in the thrash bin
[01:32] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: yeah ive had to build a few things from source with ubuntu
[01:32] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: what's wrong with them?
[01:32] <johnnybezak> apokryphos: theres not enough of them :D
[01:33] <apokryphos> I've built about very few things from source; mostly because they were cvs
[01:33] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, yes...but when a newer version of flux comes, it's a pain to rid of
[01:33] <apokryphos> johnnybezak: The repos are hu-uge.
[01:33] <johnnybezak> not huge enough for my liking :D
[01:33] <apokryphos> I thought that was among its primary strengths
[01:33] <Loiosh> Oopsi
[01:33] <Loiosh> I think I killed ells
[01:33] <seb128> mdke: right
[01:33] <apokryphos> not quite as big as emerge, from what I hear of it, though.
[01:33] <woodywarty> Ubuntu is Human
[01:34] <jeff_> yea what does ubuntu mean
[01:34] <johnnybezak> yeah i had gentoo damn portage is sweet
[01:34] <Xirdneh> hi there, i inserted a vcd into my cd rom and i was watching it, after a while i wanted to change cds but now the cd rom wont open, is there any way tu forcefully open it?, thnx
[01:34] <jeff_> and how do you pronouce it
[01:34] <knapjack> dang, bzflag source in hoary is still 1.10
[01:34] <apokryphos> jeff_: ubuntulinux.org
[01:34] <Loiosh> I like source building.
[01:34] <Loiosh> X.org was my fav.
[01:34] <johnnybezak> Loiosh: what are you masochistic?
[01:34] <apokryphos> Whatever blows your hair back. =)
[01:34] <Loiosh> It's a nice challenge when I have time to waste =)
[01:35] <johnnybezak> Xirdneh: sudo eject /mnt/cdrom
[01:35] <Loiosh> I get impatient waiting for updates.
[01:35] <johnnybezak> Loiosh: lol
[01:35] <Xirdneh> thnx johnny
[01:35] <Loiosh> They won't move to a new dist yet.
[01:35] <thr1ce> man...I can't find fluxbox anywhere on ubuntu archives
[01:35] <apokryphos> heh
[01:35] <mdke> seb128, only thing i can see in syslog is "RAMDISK: cramfs filesystem found at block 0. VFS: Mounted root (cramfs filesystem) readonly
[01:35] <knapjack> Loiosh: Me to, but I prefer to keep everything integrated with my package management, so I tend to rob sources from Debian unstable or hoary.
[01:36] <johnnybezak> is there some shorthand way of cd'ing up a directory?
[01:36] <Loiosh> Well, if I can ever get Ubuntu to install, that would be lovely =)
[01:36] <Loiosh> No one's been able to diagnose my problem yet though
[01:36] <knapjack> johnnybezak: like 'cd ..' ?
[01:36] <johnnybezak> thr1ce: its there
[01:36] <thr1ce> johnnybezak, aaah, got it
[01:36] <johnnybezak> knapjack: thats what im looking for :)
[01:36] <thr1ce> yeah...0.9.9-1 :(
[01:37] <thr1ce> if it had .9.12, i'd be sold instantly
[01:37] <knapjack> johnnybezak: Same trick works on Windows/DOS
[01:37] <thr1ce> what about packages like Gaim...how quickly are they updated ?
[01:37] <GNAM> INCREDIBLE
[01:37] <GNAM> ubuntu is the first linux distro that works
[01:37] <apokryphos> heh
[01:37] <mdke> bah
[01:37] <thr1ce> GNAM, though it may not be the distros that have failed... :)
[01:37] <johnnybezak> knapjack: never used dos really :) (mac background)
[01:37] <GNAM> aauua
[01:37] <GNAM> beh
[01:37] <knapjack> Ah.  Same trick works in a Terminal on OSX. ;)
[01:37] <Loiosh> Ahh, Johnny
[01:38] <GNAM> warty won't install, hoary rulez
[01:38] <Loiosh> What do you think of it so far? It's -so- different from Mac
[01:38] <johnnybezak> knapjack: yeah i presume it would, i've just never looked for how to do it :)
[01:38] <johnnybezak> what linux or ubuntu?
[01:38] <hou5ton> hey ... i have an interesting situation that we have been unable to solve .... I have a laptop with two harddrives, and on the orginal one was xp, and on a second one I installed Ubuntu
[01:38] <johnnybezak> (linux in general or ubuntu specifically)
[01:38] <Loiosh> Ubuntu? =)
[01:38] <knapjack> johnnybezak: I have a friend on OSX that I keep giving bash hints to slowly but surely.
[01:39] <johnnybezak> knapjack: hehe
[01:39] <hou5ton> the install "said" it was putting grub on the xp drive, but didn't
[01:39] <knapjack> johnnybezak: ...but I love my wife's iBook.
[01:39] <thr1ce> ok...so, if I install hoary, and hoary is released...will it automatically switch me to the next, upcoming release?
[01:39] <jeff_> is there a package on synaptic for something like bin2iso
[01:39] <johnnybezak> well i've got ubuntu installed on my iMac 17" so you might say i voted with my feet :)
[01:39] <thr1ce> I assume I can just change a few files, and it will make me bleeding edge?
[01:39] <knapjack> johnnybezak: I would invest in a Mac if I weren't so invested in PC hardware already.
[01:39] <thr1ce> when I uggrade-distro, that is
[01:39] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you only need to put in two commands to update your hoary
[01:39] <hou5ton> so I switched the bios to boot to the linux drive, but the choice to boot windows doesn't work
[01:39] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, yes
[01:39] <knapjack> johnnybezak: But, a co-worker loaded Ubunut warty on an old iMac and it ran very nicely.  I was impressed.
[01:40] <out_of_focus> how come nobody has came up with a good linux/windows program that is similar in functionality to Mac OS X's Expose?
[01:40] <thr1ce> apokryphos, yes...but I always want to be as updated as possible; when a new gaim comes out, I want it instantly
[01:40] <apokryphos> thr1ce: when the next distro is out, it'll be the same. A change of repositories, and away.
[01:40] <johnnybezak> knapjack: it's pretty nice, linux on ppc has some annoying things though
[01:40] <hou5ton> some linux guru friends have looked at it too, and we haven't been able to make it work
[01:40] <hou5ton> any ideas?
[01:40] <johnnybezak> no 3d drivers no flash
[01:40] <thr1ce> apokryphos, and how do I change repositories?
[01:40] <knapjack> I've used Linux on PPC before, but I was wondering how Nautilus would hold up on such an old PPC.
[01:40] <thr1ce> apokryphos, a simple conf. file ?
[01:40] <apokryphos> yes
[01:40] <apokryphos> sources.list
[01:40] <out_of_focus> get the hoary livecd for ppc
[01:40] <johnnybezak> knapjack: i use flash
[01:40] <johnnybezak> knapjack: i use flux *
[01:40] <knapjack> johnnybezak: I hate that for things like Flash it would take Macromedia all of ten minutes to produce a PPC port.
[01:41] <knapjack> Citrix client, too.
[01:41] <johnnybezak> knapjack: yeah the problem is ppc linux is a niche in a niche
[01:41] <apokryphos> thr1ce: if it's just a package you want to install, then you just update that from the repository. No need for a whole system upgrade (if you don't want to make one)
[01:41] <thr1ce> how long do packages like Gaim take before they are updated ?
[01:41] <apokryphos> thr1ce: I have no idea; I don't use gaim.
[01:41] <knapjack> thr1ce: security updates happen as fast as possible.
[01:41] <apokryphos> current is 1.3
[01:41] <thr1ce> knapjack, i mean any given package
[01:41] <apokryphos> *1.4
[01:41] <out_of_focus> then find a 3rd party flash player for ppc linux, or make one yourself.
[01:41] <thr1ce> 1.1.4
[01:41] <tck> thr1ce, what fucntion are you awaiting for with gAIM
[01:41] <apokryphos> *1.1.4
[01:41] <apokryphos> eek, yeah
[01:41] <Zotnix> Woah
[01:42] <Zotnix> That was the biggest... butcher of the gaim name ever.
[01:42] <thr1ce> no, just curious as to how long it would take for it to be updated in the repository
[01:42] <apokryphos> hehe
[01:42] <Zotnix> tck, don't let Gaim developers catch you saying gAIM.
[01:42] <knapjack> thr1ce: usually version updates require you to wait for a new version of that distribution, build from source (not too bad), or try to install the binary from the newer distribution.
[01:42] <thr1ce> like, lets say Gaim 1.1.5 came out yesterday; how long would it take before I can apt-get upgrade it
[01:42] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: not that interested man :)
[01:42] <sabdfl> night all
[01:42] <Zotnix> They're rabid.
[01:42] <knapjack> thr1ce: Probably never.
[01:42] <apokryphos> thr1ce: 0.2 hours
[01:42] <tck> Zotnix, *mental note*
[01:42] <thr1ce> um...
[01:42] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, you can always take the initiative and package the latest gaim and submit it for inclusion in Ubuntu :)
[01:43] <the_grey_ghost> has anyone had experince with using the miniram how to on the website?
[01:43] <out_of_focus> then just use mac os if you want flash on ppc.
[01:43] <Zotnix> What is gaim on now?
[01:43] <Zotnix> They keep releasing.
[01:43] <thr1ce> 1.1.4
[01:43] <thr1ce> 1.1.3 was bugged to hell
[01:43] <thr1ce> that's why it was released to quickly
[01:43] <knapjack> thr1ce: But, you can add hoary's source packages, do an 'apt-get build-dep gaim' and 'apt-get -b source gaim' and you'll get the new version.
[01:43] <Zotnix> Didn't notice.
[01:43] <knucks> and im back kids
[01:43] <out_of_focus> i don't see why somebody would use linux on a ppc instead of os x--the only reason i can think of is if os x is slow on the machine
[01:44] <knucks> so i cant get libmikmod working
[01:44] <Loiosh> Or, they just hate OSx =)
[01:44] <knucks> why
[01:44] <out_of_focus> i love os x
[01:44] <out_of_focus> but i hate windows!
[01:44] <the_grey_ghost> OSX costs money legallly
[01:44] <knapjack> out_of_focus: linux on PPC rocks.  If I needed linux and had my choice between x86 and PPC, I would run PPC.
[01:44] <thr1ce> knapjack, I would be running hoary...or, cvs style ubuntu, whatever the term is
[01:44] <out_of_focus> i got panther from my friend
[01:44] <thr1ce> i was assuming packages get updated regularly
[01:44] <knapjack> thr1ce: You would be running warty with just the one package from hoary.
[01:44] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: i just like flux better :) and apps like gimp inkscape etc. work better on linux
[01:45] <the_grey_ghost> I have 20 Imacs with os9 and I don't know what to do with them! Half cannot use ubuntu
[01:45] <thr1ce> knapjack, no, if I ran ubuntu, i would run hoary
[01:45] <apokryphos> naturally
[01:45] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: why not?
[01:45] <out_of_focus> but are all the same packages for x86 linux able to run on ppc without having to recompile for the ppc platform?
[01:45] <thr1ce> no
[01:45] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: ubuntu has all packages compiled for ppc
[01:45] <out_of_focus> does ppc ubuntu have universe?
[01:45] <thr1ce> otherwise everyone woudl run os x on x86 :P
[01:45] <knapjack> thr1ce: So you're asking how long before the latest version of package X is in the unstable version of Ubuntu?  It's up to the developer.
[01:45] <out_of_focus> or at least a partially complete universe
[01:46] <esher> whats the difference between latest ubuntu hoary and latest gnoppix 0.9.90b1 Hoary ?
[01:46] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: yes
[01:46] <the_grey_ghost> Johnny: half cannot boot from CD. I cnould do a net install, but the machines only have 32Mb ram.
[01:46] <out_of_focus> okay then thats good
[01:46] <out_of_focus> in that case i'd be able to get java and such
[01:46] <johnnybezak> out_of_focus: ppc is supported by ubuntu
[01:46] <knapjack> thr1ce: Because Ubuntu shares packages with Debian, the turnaround is usually quick.
[01:46] <knucks> why cant i get xmms working
[01:47] <thr1ce> knapjack, I'm just trying to understand the way ubuntu works...sorry :(  (i've been running slackware for a year or so)
[01:47] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: i thought all newish macs could boot from the cd - other wise how did you install os 9 on them?
[01:47] <knapjack> thr1ce: ...and I've found that as long as the package in question has a maintainer, you can just email them and say, hey, did you know a new version just came out?
[01:47] <the_grey_ghost> Anyone know a free opensource text browser for os9 macintosh?
[01:47] <out_of_focus> mozilla?
[01:47] <thr1ce> linx?
[01:47] <Loiosh> Hehe
[01:47] <Loiosh> lynx!
[01:47] <the_grey_ghost> Openoffice and Abiword say they need osx
[01:47] <Loiosh> My baby
[01:47] <thr1ce> y
[01:47] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: BBEdit, but it's not open source
[01:47] <out_of_focus> anybody still using os 9 is umm, why?
[01:47] <johnnybezak> text editor?
[01:47] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: There's also VIM
[01:47] <out_of_focus> either use os x or linux, cuz os 9 just sucks.
[01:47] <GoneBoB> the_grey_ghost: www.ubuntulinux.org
[01:48] <GoneBoB> it's a free browser
[01:48] <GoneBoB> but it comes with a free OS as well
[01:48] <knapjack> out_of_focus: old world PPC, maybe.
[01:48] <blizah> to get cs working under linux do i have to have cs installed on a windows drive and run it under wine or can i install it on linux and run it under wine?
[01:48] <the_grey_ghost> Out_Of _Focus Because I need to do things Legit. OSX costs money dosen't it?
[01:48] <knucks> ..
[01:48] <knapjack> out_of_focus: or 680x0
[01:48] <thr1ce> knapjack, so...if I change my repositories to the latest and greatest, I could upgrade Gaim regularly whenever it's released?
[01:48] <out_of_focus> 680x0 can't run os 9 :-P
[01:48] <knapjack> Yep, pretty much
[01:48] <johnnybezak> blizah: there is a cs install how to on linux games
[01:48] <thr1ce> is there a changelog of sorts for ubuntu?
[01:48] <apokryphos> thr1ce: you don't change your repositories for new packages
[01:48] <andrewski> thr1ce: as soon as a package is released.
[01:48] <out_of_focus> the highest mac os that a 68k can run is 8.1
[01:48] <the_grey_ghost> Else I would upgrade them
[01:48] <out_of_focus> but linux it can run quite a lot
[01:48] <johnnybezak> blizah: but it can be on your linux filesystem
[01:49] <apokryphos> thr1ce: only for a new distribution version. Like hoary/warty. Taht's the only time...
[01:49] <blizah> yay
[01:49] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I change them to be able to get the latest, right ?
[01:49] <thr1ce> yeah
[01:49] <blizah> linuxgames.com?
[01:49] <thr1ce> ok
[01:49] <johnnybezak> blizah: yep
[01:49] <thr1ce> is there a changelog to see what's new?  or does apt-get update do that?
[01:49] <apokryphos> thr1ce: only when a new version of ubuntu is out. Like when a new version of Slackware would be out.
[01:49] <knapjack> apokryphos: You can add repositories for unsupported packages, or add Debian source repositories if you want a slightly faster turnaround.
[01:49] <apokryphos> thr1ce: for new packages you only need to *update* your sources, and then and then get/install package.
[01:49] <knapjack> apokryphos: Case in point: MPEG support.
[01:50] <thr1ce> apokryphos, well, slackware is different; I read a changelog every few days, find a mirror, and download the new packs
[01:50] <apokryphos> knapjack: of course. :)
[01:50] <knapjack> thr1ce: Compared to that model, ubuntu (and debian) like to keep the same version of the app but patch it for security issues.
[01:50] <apokryphos> thr1ce: the whole apt system is not that hard to understand at all, really; I think you'll see entirely what I mean when you try it.
[01:50] <jeff_> ok how do i mount an .iso file
[01:51] <knapjack> thr1ce: ...until the number of new packages released changes enough to warrant a new release
[01:51] <Loiosh> Use the gui interface though, Thr1ce, hehe =)
[01:51] <King_Crimson> ok lemme tell you wat happened
[01:51] <Loiosh> If you don't want to use the cli apt-get, Synaptec will do the same thing with pretty colors.
[01:51] <DoppelGanger> ha ha
[01:51] <knapjack> jeff_: Something like 'modprobe loop && mount -o loop -t iso9660 some.iso somemountpoint'
[01:52] <satur_no> help me
[01:52] <the_grey_ghost> MPEG support? How do I play MPEG movies on UBUNTU. NO program has worked for me yet!
[01:52] <satur_no> ubuntu italy?
[01:52] <DoppelGanger> dove
[01:52] <thr1ce> yes, I knwo I can pick it up easy (I suppose starting with slack helped kicked my b utt in terms of learnign things quickly)
[01:52] <mdke> ubuntu-it
[01:52] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: There's an entry in the FAQ.  MPEG is IP-encumbered, so you need to add Someone Else's Repository to get the libraries you need.
[01:52] <satur_no> doppel il canale italiano?
[01:52] <King_Crimson> #nvidia
[01:53] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: google "ubuntu restricted sources"
[01:53] <mdke> satur_no, ubuntu-it
[01:53] <knapjack> the_grey_ghost: But one you have the right libraries, Totem works just fine.
[01:53] <johnnybezak> the_grey_host: google "ubuntu restricted formats"
[01:53] <johnnybezak> sorry
[01:53] <jeff_> ahh knapjack : when i do that useing sudo first says only root can do that
[01:53] <thr1ce> that's how slackware is; -current is updated regularly, until it's new and stable enough for a new release; then its' snapshotted, boxed up and shipped out
[01:53] <satur_no> grazie
[01:53] <thr1ce> just curious as to if I can do that with ubuntu
[01:53] <knapjack> jeff_: Add another sudo in front of mount
[01:53] <thr1ce> stay bleeding -edge, and have the latest and greatest
[01:53] <apokryphos> thr1ce: it's similar
[01:53] <the_grey_ghost> > thanks guys
[01:53] <apokryphos> I'll try to explain again ;-)
[01:53] <knapjack> jeff_: or now that the loopback module is installed, just sudo mount blah blah blah
[01:54] <thr1ce> apokryphos, I pretty much get it...just reading a few mixed remarks
[01:54] <Cindux> hey all
[01:54] <thr1ce> are there ops in here, out of curiousity?
[01:54] <Loiosh> Yes, thrice
[01:55] <thr1ce> ok :)
[01:55] <Cindux> um i ran visudo to change myself to a sudeor
[01:55] <Cindux> but i dont know what to do ?
[01:55] <Cindux> at all
[01:55] <Loiosh> They just normally don't stay opped
[01:55] <Loiosh> Prevents msg spamming =)
[01:55] <apokryphos> thr1ce: At the moment Warty is the current stable, and Hoary is the current "in developement". Most people (at least as far as I've seen) are running hoary. I do an apt-get dist-upgrade about once a week, and the whole distro is "updated". Bleeding edge, like you say.
[01:55] <Loiosh> Bleeding edge -Ubuntu- =)
[01:56] <apokryphos> That's why I made the comment that it feels like running OS cvs ;-)
[01:56] <thr1ce> apokryphos, ok...I am making sure that I can run those upgrades regularly; with the gaim example, if a new version is out, I don't want to wait for a new distro release to get the latest Gaim
[01:57] <apokryphos> thr1ce: it doesn't work like that at all. Above I'm referring to the "ubuntu-core", not other packages.
[01:57] <Loiosh> Thr1ce: You will still have to wait until Ubuntu gets around to packaging the install though =)
[01:57] <apokryphos> to get the latest packages, well, you just apt-get install gaim, and it installs the newest version.
[01:57] <blizah> does ubuntu (warty) use a fairly new version of wine?
[01:57] <thr1ce> and the newest version don't take very long to be released ?  a few days or so ?
[01:58] <Loiosh> It depends
[01:58] <thr1ce> lets say major packages
[01:58] <Loiosh> Quickly for those (like X.org)
[01:58] <thr1ce> what glibc does hoary currently have?
[01:58] <the_grey_ghost> Any tips in doing a miniram install?
[01:58] <the_grey_ghost> has it worked for anyone?
[01:58] <jeff_> how would i use mplayer to play a vcd mounted at /mnt/cdrom
[01:59] <GoneBoB> jeff_: unmount it
[01:59] <GoneBoB> and run mplayer on the device
[02:00] <thr1ce> anyone...?
[02:00] <thr1ce> does hoary have glibc 2.4.5 yet?
[02:00] <ells> is anyone familiar with acid rip
[02:01] <apokryphos7> thr1ce: sorry, router problems. Wouldn't have got any replies you might have sent..
[02:01] <thr1ce> lol
[02:01] <thr1ce> apokryphos7, can you tell me which glibc is running on hoary currently?
 what glibc does hoary currently have?
[02:01] <jbailey> CVS 2.3.2 snapshot from September 2003 + patches.
[02:01] <ells> who here has experience burning dvds
[02:02] <jeff_> gonebob: its a .iso file i have on my hard drive
[02:02] <soren9580> is there a way to include a password in a shell script?
[02:02] <thr1ce> apokryphos, any idea ?
[02:02] <soren9580> like, if i want to ssh into a machine, and i just want to put the password in the shell script
[02:02] <soren9580> can i do that?
[02:02] <hou5ton> if on an istall, grub was put on the wrong drive, is can it be safely moved to the windows drive?   .... or am i looking at a reinstall?
[02:02] <alavista> Hi All. Just installed Ubuntu (warty). I am in Synaptic, I click Mark All Upgrades but no packages are marked for installation. What's wrong with this one?
[02:02] <johnnybezak> soren: why dont you just change permissions so you dont need a password
[02:02] <GoneBoB> jeff_: simply run mplayer file.iso
[02:02] <apokryphos> thr1ce: hmm, glibc... don't know of it
[02:03] <knapjack> soren9580: Depends.  For ssh, you're better off generating keys and using them to auto-login.
[02:03] <thr1ce> apokryphos, youc an't compile things without it... :)
[02:03] <jbailey> thr1ce: CVS 2.3.2 snapshot from September 2003 + patches.
[02:03] <soren9580> i tried that
[02:03] <thr1ce> jbailey, that's hoary current?
[02:03] <soren9580> but i need to get the sysadmin to turn on RSA
[02:03] <apokryphos> thr1ce: ahh. not gcc?
[02:03] <soren9580> so i can use the keys
[02:03] <jeff_> gonebob: its allll messe dup
[02:03] <soren9580> because its not working now
[02:03] <knapjack> soren9580: And?
[02:03] <jbailey> thr1ce: Yeah.  Basically same as Warty and Debian Sarge.
[02:03] <soren9580> so instead, i'd like to just use my password in cleartext
[02:04] <knapjack> soren9580: You can use DSA keys
[02:04] <soren9580> cause its only gonna be running on my local machine
[02:04] <soren9580> that's what i meant
[02:04] <soren9580> DSA
[02:04] <thr1ce> see, that's what I'd miss; glibc is currently 2.6.3
[02:04] <soren9580> he has to enable something in sshd for dsa to work
[02:04] <tims> ala: need to reload the package list from edit menu
[02:04] <soren9580> which he hasn't currently done
[02:04] <ells> anyone here have experience burning dvds
[02:04] <jbailey> thr1ce: You're probably looking at glib, not glibc.
[02:04] <thr1ce> gcc is 2.3.5
[02:04] <thr1ce> glibc2 is 2.6.3
[02:04] <knapjack> soren9580: There's both RSA and DSA keys.  It may be that only one works on his installation.
[02:05] <soren9580> hrm
[02:05] <soren9580> how can i tell?
[02:05] <apokryphos> erm, gcc here is 3.4.3-9
[02:05] <thr1ce> what is hoary current gcc then ?
[02:05] <knapjack> soren9580: It would be worth trying them both.
[02:05] <hou5ton> i have two harddrives in my laptop .. and on the install, grub was put on the linux hd instead of the windows hd.  Is there a way to safely move it there, or will it require a reinstall?
[02:05] <jbailey> thr1ce: Those version numbers you're spitting at are very very wrong...
[02:05] <thr1ce> d/gcc-3.3.5-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to gcc-3.3.5.
[02:05] <soren9580> can i just use the password in cleartext?
[02:05] <thr1ce> nope.
[02:05] <apokryphos> thr1ce: no wait... it's 3.3.5
[02:05] <thr1ce> l/glib2-2.6.3-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to glib-2.6.3.
[02:05] <knapjack> soren9580: I think you can do a ssh -v and get debugging messages where it will tell you.
[02:05] <jbailey> Right.  That glib, not glibc.
[02:06] <thr1ce> jbailey, yes, I corrected myself :P
[02:06] <jbailey> =)
 glibc2 is 2.6.3
[02:06] <jbailey> You need to drop the 'c' from there. =)
[02:06] <thr1ce> so, it seems as though the "cvs" is updated pretty regularly
[02:06] <knapjack> thr1ce: Why do you need the latest glibc2?
[02:06] <thr1ce> jbailey, sorry :(
[02:06] <jbailey> thr1ce: Don't be.  I'd just hate for people to be confused.
[02:07] <ells> anyone here burning dvds on ubuntu
[02:07] <blizah> when in synaptic how to i tell it where to install a package?
[02:07] <knapjack> blizah: The package already knows where it should be installed.
[02:07] <knapjack> blizah: If you want it installed somewhere else, you would need to recompile it, most likely.
[02:07] <blizah> ah k
[02:08] <soren9580> knapjack, i'm getting debug1: read PEM private key done: type DSA
[02:08] <knapjack> soren9580: So it sounds like if you generate DSA keys and put them in the right places, you should be set.
[02:08] <soren9580> well, i've generated DSA keys
[02:08] <thr1ce> is apt-get pretty efficent at removing packages?  like, without leaving files lying around?
[02:09] <soren9580> and i've put one in .ssh/authorized_keys2
[02:09] <knapjack> thr1ce: Very
[02:09] <soren9580> on the server
[02:09] <apokryphos> thr1ce: heh, naturally :D. It removes the ones it would install.
[02:09] <blizah> any reason wine is isntalling in the mplayer folder i just created a little while ago?
[02:09] <blizah> is it supposed to be there?
[02:09] <jbailey> thr1ce: "dpkg --purge" is probably the most complete way.
[02:09] <soren9580> and one in .ssh/id_dsa
[02:09] <knapjack> thr1ce: There's also a package called debfoster that can remove no-longer-needed dependencies.
[02:09] <soren9580> on the local machine
[02:09] <tims> exit
[02:09] <knapjack> thr1ce: ...to prune the tree.
[02:10] <thr1ce> :P
[02:10] <thr1ce> the only thing that's holding me back is lack of fluxbox updates...!
[02:10] <thr1ce> i'm worried now
[02:11] <knapjack> soren9580: My man page says to use authorized_keys instead of authorized_keys2
[02:11] <knapjack> thr1ce: You can always build and install fluxbox from source and skip the package.
[02:11] <eyequeue> knapjack:  2 was used earlier, it's deprecated now, but still sourced for backwards compatibility
[02:12] <thr1ce> knapjack, then it's a pain to remove
[02:12] <knapjack> eyequeue: Ah, gotcha.  Thanks.
[02:12] <aurax> anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ?
[02:12] <thr1ce> and update
[02:12] <soren9580> i put the public key on the server and the private key on my machine right?
[02:12] <knapjack> thr1ce: I give.  It's easy to update.  If you want to remove it, then why are you worried about it in the first place?
[02:12] <apokryphos> off to bed now; 'night
[02:13] <thr1ce> see ya apokryphos
[02:13] <thr1ce> are non-default ubuntu packs (like fluxbox) maintained regularly ?
[02:13] <cavediver> Anyone tried installing oo2 in hoary. I can't install the packages-
[02:13] <cavediver> Tried openoffice.org2-common, but it fails
[02:14] <soren9580> i tried authorized_keys
[02:14] <soren9580> no such luck
[02:14] <thr1ce> how'd you try to install it?
[02:14] <eyequeue> cavediver:  what was the error (don't paste)
[02:14] <soren9580> i just think he hasn't got it enabled on the machien
[02:14] <soren9580> so how do i do it in cleartext?
[02:14] <jeff_> how can i play a .iso file with gxine?
[02:15] <eleazar-> hi guys, i have this problem with xmms http://pastebin.com/249872
[02:15] <knapjack> thr1ce: Case in point: I *want* (not *need*) the latest bzflag.  There is no package for 2.0 in Warty or Hoary yet.  I added the Debian Unstable repository, did an 'apt-get update && apt-get build-dep bzflag && apt-get -b source bzflag && dpkg -i bzflag*deb' and voila, I'm done, and I have the latest, and it's a package.  No big deal.
[02:15] <LinuxJones> jeff_, usually you need to burn it to dvd or cd
[02:15] <cavediver> eyequeue: package is not available, but is referred to by another package--- E: package has no installation candidate
[02:15] <aurax> so anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ... ?
[02:15] <eyequeue> knapjack:  you're aware of the dangers with that?
[02:15] <knapjack> eyequeue: Such as?
[02:16] <thr1ce> knapjack, that was run from the source directory ?
[02:16] <knapjack> eyequeue: I'm using the source repository, not the binary.
[02:16] <eyequeue> cavediver:  ah, the pleassures of unstableness, heh ... i'd suggest trying again in a few days, though i don't know specifics about that package
[02:16] <King_Crimson> #nvidia
[02:16] <knapjack> thr1ce: yep, run from /usr/src
[02:16] <eleazar-> anyone?
[02:16] <thr1ce> from /usr/src...? or the bzflag source
[02:16] <cavediver> eyequeue: ohh i see..
[02:16] <cavediver> Will try later then
[02:17] <eyequeue> knapjack:  deb-src?  yes, probably less risky.  generally mixing debian dna ubuntu packages leads to nothing but headaches, but deb-src, that's probably imune to many of them
[02:17] <knapjack> thr1ce: from /usr/src, because the apt-get commands for building from source will automatically do the right thing.
[02:17] <soren9580> so how would i feed the password into the prompt?
[02:18] <eyequeue> soren9580:  i came in late, is this something i could help with?
[02:19] <eyequeue> soren9580:  what are you trying to accomplish?
[02:19] <optish> how do you get gnome or alsa to remember volume levels after a reboot?
[02:20] <DoppelGanger> ask it nicely
[02:20] <eleazar-> anyone here had problems running xmms?
[02:20] <drspi1> eleazar-: do you have libmikmod installed?
[02:21] <thr1ce> ok...thanks for the help; i'll play with this CD for a bit
[02:22] <kaos> I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb packages and howto run it
[02:23] <drspin> WTF -- I couldn't use my nick...
[02:23] <eleazar-> drspil: nope, i just installed it and it work, thx so much
[02:23] <drspin> eleazar-: Glad I could help!
[02:24] <optish> is gnome/alsa suppose to remember the volume levels through a shutdown/reboot or do i have to enable that somehow?
[02:24] <drspin> why isn't my soundcard working?
[02:24] <thr1ce> so xfce 4.2 is in hoary ?
[02:24] <thr1ce> drspin, because you configured it wrong
[02:24] <optish> thr1ce, it seems like it...i'm downloading it right now
[02:24] <drspin> yes -- so how do i fix it?
[02:24] <drspin> LOL ;)
[02:24] <thr1ce> did you run alsaconf?
[02:25] <drspin> no
[02:25] <thr1ce> ok...
[02:25] <thr1ce> run alsaconf
[02:25] <drspin> LOL... ok ;)
[02:25] <LinuxJones> alsaconf is not included in Ubuntu
[02:26] <DoppelGanger> hmmm
[02:26] <thr1ce> ?!
[02:26] <thr1ce> wow
[02:26] <tck> drspin, try speaker-test in console
[02:26] <LinuxJones> thr1ce, the devs think it's too buggy for inclusion
[02:26] <thr1ce> sorry
[02:26] <drspin> hmmm... K
[02:26] <optish> hey guys....is there a option/config to make alsa/gnome remember volume levels each session?
[02:26] <thr1ce> is alsamixer included?
[02:26] <thr1ce> lol
[02:26] <optish> cause everytime i reboot my volume levels are all muted
[02:27] <thr1ce> alter alsamixer
[02:27] <thr1ce> and then run alsactrl store
[02:27] <thr1ce> unless alsamixer isn't there either
[02:27] <tck> it should be
[02:27] <LinuxJones> alsactrl is there
[02:27] <thr1ce> phew
[02:27] <thr1ce> lol
[02:27] <LinuxJones> :D
[02:27] <thr1ce> sorry bout the alsaconf
[02:28] <optish> do i have to run alsactrl store each time?
[02:28] <thr1ce> no
[02:28] <tck> nope
[02:28] <thr1ce> store will store yourt settings and default them
[02:28] <thr1ce> man alsactrl for other stuff
[02:28] <bulverseburrito> hey guys got a question is it possible for me to rn unbuntu on a p 256 with 60mb ram
[02:28] <binomial> !rules
[02:28] <optish> seems like alsactrl isnt installed but alsamixer is there
[02:28] <knapjack> bulverseburrito: Barely.  Not really.
[02:28] <GoneBoB> bulverseburrito: yes and no
[02:28] <LinuxJones> optish, gnome should be saving those settings for you if you use the gnome-volume-control
[02:28] <thr1ce> optish, root
[02:28] <GoneBoB> mostly no
[02:28] <drspin> tck: no such file or directory...
[02:28] <kaos> hello
[02:28] <knapjack> bulverseburrito: I wouldn't recommend it, but there's an Ubuntu Mini-RAM HOWTO
[02:28] <bulverseburrito> GoneBoB: why not
[02:29] <optish> LinuxJones, i am running it but its not saving it
[02:29] <DoppelGanger> bulverseburrito: cause ubuntu is a ram hog
[02:29] <optish> more over it keeps crashing
[02:29] <optish> if i open the volume control
[02:29] <LinuxJones> optish, yikes
[02:29] <LinuxFire> Compile alsa into the kernel
[02:29] <optish> but everything works fine
[02:29] <knapjack> bulverseburrito: Meaning I would recommend the Mini-RAM if you were going to attempt it, but Nautilus is a RAM hog, and not friendly to older machines.
[02:30] <optish> LinuxFire, i want to stay away from compiling my own kernel..want to stick with the stock
[02:30] <tck> drspin, really ?
[02:30] <GoneBoB> bulverseburrito: it will 'run'
[02:30] <GoneBoB> but there's not enough ram to run a lot of the GUI stuff
[02:30] <thr1ce> how tough is the ubuntu install?  I sorta knwo what I'm doing
[02:30] <bulverseburrito> ok
[02:30] <LinuxJones> bulverseburrito, you might want to try damn small linux on that system
[02:30] <optish> so....any ideas on why gnome volume control aint remembering the levels?
[02:30] <thr1ce> will it find my slack partition and overwrite it?
[02:30] <drspin> tck: it says "Sine wave rate is 440.0000Hz"
[02:31] <bulverseburrito> yeah i was afraid of that
[02:31] <GoneBoB> thr1ce: it's very easy
[02:31] <drspin> tck: ten it says Playback Open Error: File Not Found
[02:31] <johnwlittle> thr1ce: ive installed it 4 times with zero problems..pretty simple actually
[02:31] <tck> well ur sound card aint working :))
[02:31] <DoppelGanger> thr1ce: stick to slack
[02:31] <thr1ce> ?
[02:32] <DoppelGanger> it will run better than ubuntu
[02:32] <DoppelGanger> oh and bulverseburrito you prob can run slack on thath comp
[02:32] <knapjack> DoppelGanger: ...but not the same apps
[02:32] <DoppelGanger> infact i guarantee it
[02:33] <binomial> hey, can anyone help me to get ubuntu to recognize my d-link ethernet card?  the install is telling me it can't find the hardware.
[02:35] <knapjack> DoppelGanger: You can run Ubuntu on anything you can run Slackware on, but it's the app combination that matters.  bulverseburrito isn't going to be happy running GNOME 2.x on that box, no matter which distro.
[02:35] <LinuxFire> Im just pissed the 2.6.11 kernel broke the nvidia installer
[02:38] <Sk8Phate> ...
[02:38] <Sk8Phate> im having truoble installing ubuntu
[02:38] <binomial> the only other distro i know anything about is Arch, and i don't know much about linux at all.  i couldn't find a modprobe.conf or an rc.conf, so not sure what to do here.
[02:38] <bulverseburrito> i'm just pissed i have mental problems :-)
[02:39] <blizah> ubuntu come w/ any bittorrent clients?
[02:41] <ells> anyone here familiar with burning dvds in linux
[02:42] <tims> gnome bittorrent
[02:42] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:43] <ells> again, is anyone  have experience with burning dvds in linux
[02:43] <OrangeSlice> I burn dvds with nautilus
[02:43] <ells> can you walk me thru it
[02:43] <OrangeSlice> 1.) open nautilus
[02:44] <ells> okay
[02:44] <OrangeSlice> 2.) type "burn:///" into address
[02:44] <OrangeSlice> 3.) push enter
[02:44] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:44] <ells> okay
[02:45] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:45] <hou5ton> is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file ... ????
[02:45] <ells> Orangeslice, what about it says burn to disc?
[02:46] <ells> Orangeslice, do I need to create iso first
[02:46] <OrangeSlice> you drag the files you want to burn into the window
[02:46] <ells> okay
[02:46] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:47] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:47] <kaos>  I'm tryin to install limewire my intent is to find a repository for synaptic .deb any help is good
[02:47] <ells> Orangeslice, I see that but what about the drive being one and only
[02:47] <OrangeSlice> what?
[02:47] <hou5ton> hmm ... please ... is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file?
[02:48] <ells> Orangeslice, will it prompt me to put in a dvd
[02:48] <DoppelGanger> wow kaos you go boy
[02:48] <ells> I am on a laptop with just the one drive
[02:48] <OrangeSlice> I don't know, I always put my disc in beforehand
[02:48] <ells> I will try and see
[02:48] <blizah> are tgz, deb, and rpm all diff package types?
[02:48] <OrangeSlice> yes
[02:49] <blizah> and for ubuntu id want deb?
[02:49] <OrangeSlice> yes
[02:49] <blizah> or tgz?
[02:49] <blizah> k tnx
[02:49] <DoppelGanger> he eh
[02:50] <hou5ton> hey ... can someone at least let me know that my messages are coming through?
[02:50] <Xenguy> hou5ton: hello world :-)
[02:50] <DoppelGanger> hou5ton: your messages are not coming thru
[02:50] <hou5ton> whew ...
[02:50] <hou5ton> :)
[02:50] <hou5ton> hmm ... please ... is Ubuntu supposed to have a grub.conf file?
[02:51] <binomial> i know what driver i'm supposed to install my ethernet card, i just need help with what to put where.
[02:51] <ells> OrangeSlice: it kind of locks up, what tools do I need for this process
[02:52] <hou5ton>  i know i have a /boot/grub/menu.lst .... I'm not understanding how it goes together
[02:52] <aurax> so anyone here uses the realtek ALC 860 audio on-board ... ?
[02:52] <aurax> i just want to know if ubuntu will support it
[02:54] <DoppelGanger> well from bulverseburrito problem i would say nope
[02:54] <DoppelGanger> then again i am lying
[02:55] <johnnybezak> hey guys what is a dangling symlink
[02:55] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: a symlink that points to nothing
[02:55] <eleazar-> anyone knows how can i access my windows partition without being root (mostly with xmms)?
[02:56] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: you can verify by doing -> ls -l <symlink>
[02:56] <johnnybezak> change the owner of your windows partiotion to you
[02:56] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: cool i am just getting mail from cron telling me about it, does it really matter?
[02:56] <elm> mount -t vfat -o uid=1000,gid=1000 /dev/hdaX /media/windows
[02:57] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: it's not a problem, but if you verify the symlink points to nothing (see above), then you can safely delete it to 'cleanup'.
[02:57] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: ok thanks
[02:57] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: yw
[02:57] <skel_home> anyone using the amd64 version of ubuntu (warty) experiencing problems with firefox?
[02:59] <Sk8Phate> problem solved :)
[03:00] <eruin> eleazar-:fstab: /dev/hdXX       /media/windows     vfat    users,umask=000                 0       0
[03:01] <eleazar-> eruin: my hda is in ntfs
[03:01] <eleazar-> eruin: i should change vfat for ntfs right?
[03:02] <eruin> yeah
[03:03] <skel_home> anyone know if there's any plan to update firefox for warty? to 1.0.1 ?
[03:03] <skel_home> I figured that'd be covered in the security updates
[03:03] <skel_home> but not as of yet
[03:03] <eruin> skel_home: not even hoary has that yet
[03:03] <blizah> can i install tar.gz files on ubuntu?
[03:03] <eruin> blizah: you don't install tar.gz files in general :P
[03:04] <eruin> but sure
[03:04] <blizah> oh heh
[03:04] <blizah> ok
[03:04] <skel_home> eruin: know any reason why? just maintainer swamped or something?
[03:04] <eruin> I'd remove the ubuntu package first though, if you've got the program installed already
[03:04] <eruin> skel_home: probably.. I think they discussed it in ubuntu-dev the other day but I forgot what was said ;-)
[03:05] <larsson_> When i watch videos through tv-out, im getting "tearing" in the picture so i need some good video drivers. Any ideas?
[03:05] <skel_home> eruin: okie ty =]
[03:06] <hou5ton> by the way ... I finally found the answer in the Gentoo channel .... Ubuntu does NOT have a grub.conf file ...
[03:06] <DoppelGanger> eheh
[03:06] <eruin> ubuntu has menu.lst
[03:06] <eruin> :P
[03:06] <DoppelGanger> blind leading the blind
[03:06] <larsson_> Is anyone using tv-out here?
[03:07] <Yomic> Is it possible to run ROSE online in Linux?
[03:07] <larsson_> To watch videos.
[03:09] <bmbet1> Hey.  I just installed Warty and when I logged in there was a X bang centre of screen, but not on the desktop, couldn't figure how to get rid of it, then it just disappeared after I started X-Chat. WTF?
[03:09] <Yomic> So no one here knows if it is possible to run ROSE in Linux?
[03:09] <eleazar-> eruin: thx you it worked
[03:10] <hou5ton> what is the purpose of the line "savedefault" in menu.lst ... under the windows boot options?
[03:11] <eruin> eleazar-: I hear ntfs write support is still kind of experimental though :->
[03:11] <ells> using acid rip it says I need mencoder. I have mplayer, would I automoatically have acidrip
[03:11] <ells> it with acidrip
[03:11] <eleazar-> anyone here has tried to install the nvidia drivers in hoary?
[03:11] <eruin> eleazar-: yeh
[03:12] <hou5ton> what is the purpose of the line "savedefault" in menu.lst ... under the windows boot options?
[03:13] <eleazar-> eruin: i did everything (apt-get the nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-glx, modprobe nvidia, change the X11 config file) and still i dont get acceleration =/
[03:13] <eruin> eleazar-: using the offical drivers though
[03:13] <eleazar-> eruin: and you didnt have any problems with the official drivers?
[03:14] <eruin> eleazar-: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[03:14] <eruin> done that?
[03:14] <eruin> eleazar-: no
[03:14] <eleazar-> ok, lemme restart the X
[03:16] <LinuxJones> eruin, are you sure that your not still running xserver-xfree86 ?
[03:16] <Yomic> Is it possible to run ROSE online in Linux?
[03:16] <LinuxJones> Yomic, what is that ?
[03:16] <eruin> LinuxFire: lol
[03:16] <eruin> I've never had xserver-xfree86
[03:17] <Yomic> A windows based MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game)
[03:17] <LinuxJones> eruin, is there an XF86Config-4 file in your /etc/X11/ directory ?
[03:17] <eruin> no
[03:17] <eruin> as I said, I've never had xfree on this install :P
[03:17] <LinuxJones> eruin, well most peopel upgrade from warty
[03:18] <eruin> me too, but I never had it install X ;)
[03:18] <Frodo> I upgraded from Warty
[03:18] <eleazar-> eruin well i dont know if it works.. but it didnt show the NVIDIA logo when it started
[03:18] <LinuxJones> eruin, ahh
[03:18] <eruin> a package named "seb" horribly stopped me
[03:18] <eruin> :P
[03:18] <eruin> sed maybe
[03:18] <eruin> eleazar-: what does glxgears give you if run from an x terminal?
[03:19] <LinuxJones> eruin, i get 1700
[03:19] <eleazar-> glx missing on display ":0."
[03:19] <LinuxJones> eruin, with a crappy GF2MX
[03:19] <eruin> ehehe
[03:19] <LinuxJones> eruin, there you go
[03:19] <Yomic> Well if nobody knows about ROSE; are there any good games for Linux (preferably RPG)
[03:20] <Yomic> ?*
[03:20] <LinuxJones> eruin, you don't have them installed properly
[03:20] <eruin> don't worry... 2600 here with a gffx5600
[03:20] <eruin> LinuxFire: I do ;-P
[03:20] <eruin> LinuxFire: I run accelerated games like bf1942 through cedega
[03:21] <eruin> can't do that without properly installed nvidia drivers I'm afraid :P
[03:21] <eruin> eleazar-: humm, I'm not familiar with using the ubuntu package for it
[03:21] <DoppelGanger> poor LinuxFire always getting the blame for ppl not tab completeing properly
[03:22] <eruin> eleazar-: I just got the drivers off nvidia.com, apt-get installed linux-headers-k7 and installed the driver
[03:22] <LinuxFire> eruin that would be LinuxJones mot I
[03:22] <LinuxJones> or linuxboy
[03:22] <eruin> stop having similar names you bastards!
[03:22] <eruin> :p
[03:22] <DoppelGanger> how about linuxgirl
[03:22] <DoppelGanger> i wanna be linuxgirl
[03:22] <eleazar-> ok, eruin thx anyway you're a great helper.. ill try that
[03:23] <phate> I want a linuxgirl
[03:23] <eruin> eleazar-: might wanna dpkg --purge nvidia-glx first
[03:23] <phate> Who wouldn't ;D
[03:23] <StoffBox-Steve>  ;)
[03:23] <eruin> and replace linux-headers-k7 with whatever flavour you're running ;-)
[03:24] <eleazar-> eruin: my processor is an athlon, what headers are good for me?
[03:25] <bulverseburrito> ha ha
[03:25] <bulverseburrito> better than a fat cat
[03:26] <StoffBox-Steve> :)
[03:27] <eleazar-> eruin: the k7 ones will work fine with me?
[03:28] <dottedline> I let synaptic update ubuntu-base on my PC, and now I have an empty ubuntu UI - that happen to anyone else?
[03:29] <StoffBox-Steve> *GG* this is so funny, i have a B/W Pic here, windows/Photoshop shows the tumb in color .. but when you open it its B/W ...
[03:29] <eruin> eleazar-: yes :)
[03:30] <eruin> dottedline: nope, not here
[03:30] <Kraeloc> Howdy.
[03:31] <dottedline> eruin: I don't have a clue
[03:31] <TerminX> perhaps someone can help me with this problem that just popped up.. one of my panels detached, and won't reattach to the bottom where it goes.. it's not a drawer/child panel, either, it's just a normal panel and now it's floating
[03:31] <dottedline> I am sure glad I can use the console...
[03:32] <DoppelGanger> oh no the world is gonna end
[03:32] <TerminX> ah, "expand" checkbox.. must've gotten reset when the panel crashed ;)
[03:36] <Sk8Phate> hmmm. does anyone know how to set up USB internet on ubuntu
[03:37] <Kraeloc> I don't have any problems yet, but the Aptiva I just installing warty on is hateful and cranky, so I expect some soon.
[03:37] <kaos> has anybody found an answer to how I install Limewire
[03:38] <jesuel> Kraeloc: my laptop is cranky too.
[03:39] <otterit> hello..has anyone used an atmel wireless device and ndiswrapper?
[03:39] <Benoni> Where would I find the Kerberos 5 command line tools (e.g. "kinit") for Ubuntu Hoary?
[03:40] <dottedline> eruin: it looks like my gnome desktop is somehow corrupted, at least the panels are.  I will figure it out eventually.
[03:40] <Kraeloc> Ok....
[03:40] <otterit> * sigh * no wireless users with an atmel chipset?
[03:40] <JDahl> benoni, (as allways): apt-cache search kerberos
[03:42] <Benoni> JDahl: Right, that's where I am looking.  All I see are libraries and development packages.  Nothing that looks like user command-line tools.
[03:42] <Kraeloc> I have a Mac with a USB to Serial adapter plugged in to my PC running Warty via DB9, and the PC is connected to my router via standard 100MBPS ethernet. I need the PC with Warty to be act as a router. Who can help? /msg, please.
[03:42] <kaos> please can somebody help find an anwser to how I install 'Limewire'?
[03:42] <_phate_> what is the package tree for Ubuntu so out of date?
[03:42] <JDahl> Benoni, I would look at krb5-user
[03:42] <Kraeloc> Anybody?
[03:43] <Benoni> JDahl, I see no package named "krb5-user" in the Ubuntu Hoary package list.
[03:43] <Kraeloc> Shall I repeat my question, or give up?
[03:43] <Benoni> (Which is why I'm a bit puzzled, because that's where I expected to find it.)
[03:43] <JDahl> Benoni, I use Warty.. do you have universe and multiverse enabled?
[03:43] <_phate_> Kraeloc: IPtables?
[03:44] <Kraeloc> _phate_, what about them?
[03:44] <Kraeloc> Rather, what are they/it?
[03:44] <Benoni> JDahl, I've just come over from Fedora-land.  Can you explain further what you mean by universe & multiverse, and what it means to enable them?
[03:45] <Kraeloc> Even a link to a nice tutorial would suffice,
[03:45] <_phate_> they are a way of specifing where certain IP traffic goes
[03:45] <_phate_> try googling for one
[03:46] <LinuxJones> Benoni, universe and multiverse are repositories with a very large amount of unsupported software
[03:46] <JDahl> Kraeloc, I think you can safely assume that if noone answers your question, it's because we dont know...
[03:46] <netpuppy> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[03:46] <netpuppy> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[03:46] <Kraeloc> Ok.
[03:46] <netpuppy> why the hell does it try to use /lib/cpp?
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Benoni, things like fluxbox and xfce and tons of other stuff like fonts..etc
[03:47] <Kraeloc> Well, I guess I figured a channel named #ubuntu with nearly 400 people in it would have someone who could help.
[03:47] <netpuppy> I have a cpp binary in /usr/bin
[03:47] <Kraeloc> My bad.
[03:47] <Benoni> LinuxFire: OK, cool.  Sounds like just what I need.
[03:47] <JDahl> Benoni, you need to enable additional repositories... use either Synaptic, or directly edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:47] <_phate_> Kraeloc: sorry
[03:47] <_phate_> I'm a n00b to a good extent
[03:47] <LinuxJones> Benoni, most user enable universe at least like 15000 packages available
[03:47] <Kraeloc> Not a problem, there's some helpfulk things at tldp.org
[03:48] <LinuxJones> errr users
[03:48] <Benoni> JDahl, understood.  I am familiar with apt repository configuration.  All I need is the URLs.  Do you have those handy?
[03:48] <Kraeloc> Toodles,
[03:48] <larsson_> Hi, when using vidix and tv-out everything looks good on my monitor but on my TV the xine window is pink. Any ideas? Cause im all out.
[03:48] <JDahl> Benoni, just add "universe multiverse" to the end of every line with "hoary"
[03:48] <DoppelGanger> man no one can tab complete LinuxFire
[03:48] <LinuxJones> Benoni, check out www.ubuntuguide.org it has lots of great stuff for the new Ubuntu user
[03:49] <Benoni> JDahl: Oh, I see.  So these are different sections of the official distribution, not completely different repositories on some other server somewhere.
[03:50] <avirox> hi, i have a question
[03:50] <Benoni> LinuxJones: OK, thanks for the pointer.  Reading....
[03:50] <LinuxJones> ;)
[03:50] <avirox> after i use dpkg in the shell window
[03:50] <avirox> where do programs install to?
[03:50] <avirox> Unpacking winesetuptk (from winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb) ...
[03:50] <avirox> Setting up winesetuptk (0.7-1.1) ...
[03:50] <avirox> and that's it..
[03:50] <JDahl> Benoni, yes.. I doubt you will ever need unofficial repositories
[03:51] <larsson_> What are ,deb-source good for?
[03:51] <usual> can someone ban Crissy^^?
[03:51] <larsson_> I mean, does apt compile it for me?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> avirox, you can use the whereis command to find programs like whereis mozilla-firefox
[03:51] <Benoni> JDahl & LinuxJones, thank you very much for your help.  I should be good to go from here.
[03:51] <LinuxJones> Benoni, gl you will love Ubuntu :)
[03:52] <usual> Crissy^^ is doing onjoin porn msg's
[03:52] <Benoni> Actually, one last question beore I go.  What's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse"?
[03:52] <GoneBoB> universe is everything that's not ubuntu main
[03:52] <JDahl> usual, cant you use /ignore?
[03:52] <_phate_> way is the package tree for ubuntu so out of date? FireFox 1.0 has been around for awhile, yet Ubuntu only has FF 0.9.3, what gives?
[03:52] <GoneBoB> multiverse is packages with questionable legality
[03:53] <Benoni> GoneBoB: heh.  Got it.  Thanks.
[03:53] <GoneBoB> _phate_: that was current when warty was released
[03:53] <JDahl> and there's also a "restricted" repository
[03:53] <utsav> _phate  use Hoary .. It's stable and has all the l8st
[03:53] <utsav> I'm on it right now
[03:53] <utsav> It's gr8 stuff
[03:53] <_phate_> GoneBoB: How can a package have questionable legality?
[03:54] <GoneBoB> _phate_: quite easily.. for example mplayer
[03:54] <usual> JDahl, does that solve the problem?
[03:54] <eruin> by including packages that are illegal under some jurisdictions
[03:54] <utsav> specifically w32codecs
[03:54] <eruin> like american
[03:54] <JDahl> _phate_, warty only receives security updates
[03:54] <_phate_> utsav: I though Hoary was still in beta
[03:54] <GoneBoB> _phate_: it is
[03:54] <avirox> linuxjones i still cant find it :/
[03:54] <GoneBoB> however you can use it if you wish
[03:54] <utsav> It is... but It doesn;t feel like beta
[03:54] <eruin> _phate_: it's in freeze
[03:54] <utsav> It's going to be released next month
[03:54] <utsav> so it's pretty good right now
[03:54] <eruin> _phate_: so pretty stable
[03:54] <Benoni> Good high-level description of main/restricted/universe/multiverse: <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components>
[03:54] <avirox> root@ubuntu:/ # whereis wine*
[03:54] <avirox> wine*:
[03:55] <avirox> and thats it
[03:55] <LinuxJones> avirox, did you install wine ?
[03:55] <utsav> Haven't had a single hickup.. in fact. no hickups
[03:55] <avirox> i installed the tar gz of cedega
[03:55] <NobleArc> what version of X-Chat is in Hoary?  The one in Warty pains me. :0
[03:55] <avirox> and i use dpkg on winesetupTK
[03:55] <avirox> I'm looking for winesetuptk
[03:55] <eruin> can you use * in whereis?
[03:55] <avirox> but i cannot find it
[03:55] <eruin> I dont think you can
[03:55] <avirox> eruin u can
[03:55] <LinuxJones> avirox, wine is in the universe repository, you can use apt-get/synaptic to installit
[03:55] <avirox> i just tried it
[03:55] <avirox> it found my other files
[03:56] <eruin> hmm yeah
[03:56] <Benoni> NobleArc, I just installed Hoary and am using X-Chat 2.4.1.
[03:56] <NobleArc> ah, good. Thanks.
[03:56] <avirox> jones: it's nto in mine
[03:56] <avirox> atleast not in the gui
[03:56] <avirox> heh
[03:56] <utsav> I have a quick question.. I want to compile a vanilla ubuntu kernel.. How should I go about getting the source?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> avirox, you need to enable universe go here an look for adding repositories >> www.ubuntuguide.org
[03:57] <avirox> i know how to add repositories
[03:57] <LinuxJones> utsav, you need to search for linux-source
[03:58] <avirox> hmm but this universe thing
[03:58] <avirox> ill check that out :o
[03:58] <JDahl> utsav, kernel-source
[03:58] <GoneBoB> utsav: there is a package for the source, I would not recommend compiling your own kernel
[03:58] <LinuxJones> avirox, ok just add universe and in synaptic click reload then search for wine
[03:58] <avirox> aaaand ubuntu is freezing on me again
[03:58] <LinuxJones> Benoni, universe is awesome :)
[03:59] <utsav> GoneBob : thanks for the concern. but I'm from gentooland
[03:59] <avirox> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ isnt loading for me
[03:59] <utsav> I actually just want to apply a silly patch for my touchpad
[04:00] <Benoni> Thanks again, JDahl & LinuxJones!
[04:00] <avirox> brb n thanks jones
[04:00] <avirox> :P
[04:00] <LinuxJones> avirox, have fun :)
[04:01] <pugio> hello, I will now render the classic and most common phrase used here
[04:01] <pugio> "HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLP"
[04:02] <pugio> good, now. I am having the weiredes problem I've ever seen in Warty
[04:02] <pugio> I had a friend who started up the worms game (at least, that's what he thinks the last thing is he did) and all of a sudden a bunch of programs disappeared
[04:02] <pugio> those programs were gdm and some other pieces of gnome
[04:03] <pugio> so now, the user couldn't log in normally, AND gnome isn't working correctly
[04:03] <_phate_> After reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components, I take it Ubuntu is sticking to the Debian philosophy
[04:03] <pugio> giving errors like "Failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[04:03] <utsav> silly question:   so is the kernel-source package just the stock linux kernel.. or will it give me a ubuntu kernel.. Do I have to find any ubuntu patches and apply those?
[04:03] <pugio> (no such file or directory)
[04:04] <JDahl> pugio, look at /var/log/gdm*
[04:04] <pugio> ok, but it uninstalled gdm
[04:04] <pugio> I had to reinstall it
[04:04] <pugio> this is the second time it happended, but the first time only gdm was affected, and not other parts of gnome
[04:04] <JDahl> pugio, gdm was uninstalled by a crashing program?
[04:04] <LinuxJones> utsav, the ubuntu source will have ubuntu patches
[04:05] <pugio> JDahl:  that's what it looks like (or for some other reason) as well as other parts of gnome
[04:06] <JDahl> pugio, I flat out refuse to believe that a package can be uninstalled by a crashing program
[04:06] <LinuxJones> utsav, why are you compiling the kernel ?
[04:06] <pugio> JDahl: well, then HOW did that happen?
[04:06] <pugio> JDahl: now I have no idea how to fix it.... is there some way to redo gnome?
[04:07] <pugio> for instance, the settings daemon isn't there (/usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[04:07] <JDahl> pugio, what does "dpkg -l gdm" tell you?
[04:07] <pugio> well, seeing as how I just "apt-get install gdm"'d
[04:08] <pugio> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[04:08] <pugio> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[04:08] <pugio> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[04:08] <pugio> ||/ Name                                  Version                               Description
[04:08] <pugio> +++-[04:08] <pugio> ii  gdm                                   <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu20                     GNOME Display Manager
[04:08] <pugio> wooooooops
[04:08] <pugio> sorry everyone
[04:08] <pugio> anyway, there it is
[04:09] <JDahl> pugio, try to make the problem happen again, then look at the logs and try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart"
[04:10] <pugio> JDahl: right, well, this problem occured once before, and I'm telling you - GDM DID NOT EXIST
[04:10] <pugio> seriously, one minute it was there
[04:10] <pugio> the next, the /usr/bin/gdm was gone
[04:10] <pugio> not even an error log
[04:10] <pugio> zip zilch nadda
[04:11] <pugio> it was gone, I had to reinstall it
[04:11] <pugio> anyway, I'm still having issues with Gnome
[04:11] <pugio> is there any way to reset that?
[04:12] <JDahl> pugio, what problems? one thing that often bugged me is that .ICEauthority got wrong permissions if gnome crashed
[04:12] <Sk8Phate> does anyone know how to get a USB DSL modem to work with ubuntu?
[04:12] <pugio> JDahl:  when I try to start gdm, it works fine (now) but when I log in I get a brown screen with only a single program started
[04:13] <pugio> there are no menus, top or bottom, only a brown screen and a single program
[04:13] <JDahl> pugio, killall gnome-panels
[04:13] <pugio> additionally, the error message "Failed to execute /usr/lib/control-center/gnome-settings-daemon (No such file or directory)
[04:13] <utsav> LinuxJones Once I saw that with an alps patch, my touchpad could have circular scrolling, I decided it's amust do
[04:13] <pugio> and.... it's right, /usr/lib/control-center/ does NOT exist
[04:14] <pugio> JDahl:  that 'killall' responded with "gnome-panels: no process killed"
[04:14] <LinuxJones> utsav, nice
[04:14] <utsav> LinuxJones  Hopefully my last question.. I've got all the patches applied now.. I was just wondering if I can use an existing kernel config from ubuntu
[04:15] <_phate_> how would I install Xfce?
[04:15] <utsav> Instead of having to figure out what to install or not to install
[04:15] <pugio> in fact, JDahl  the message I am gettting is this: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=5649355&forum_id=4714
[04:15] <utsav> I think xfce is in universe
[04:15] <LinuxJones> utsav, yeah it's in /boot/
[04:15] <pugio> JDahl:  while I'm running a normal Ubuntu system on x86, the message in the top thread is what pops up when I log in and get the blank brown screen
[04:16] <_phate_> so just 'sudo apt-get install xfce'? Then how do I set it up so I can use it?
[04:16] <LinuxJones> utsav, just copy it over to /usr/src/linux and make your changes and your good to go
[04:16] <LinuxJones> utsav, of course you will have to rename it
[04:17] <JDahl> pugio, I am sort of clueless... but if you can reproduce the error and document that part of gnome gets uninstalled you need to file a bugreport.. if nothing works, you can purge everything related to gnome and reinstall it, to get a clean slate
[04:17] <pugio> JDahl: will that work ok with Ubuntu? will everything be configured properly (the full re-install that is)
[04:18] <JDahl> pugio, yes... it's general frawned upon but occasionally you just want to get rid of all debconf info and started over.. use dpkg --purge for that
[04:19] <Sk8Phate> does anyone know how to get a USB DSL modem to work with ubuntu?
[04:19] <maximaus> _phate_, just install xfce, log out, kill gdm with crl alt backspace, and choose xfce in the login manager.
[04:19] <tux_> hey, I just heard from a friend's 8 year old... he's using Ubuntu on his laptop - the kid is
[04:20] <tux_> and loves it
[04:20] <maximaus> my 13 and 15 y/o cousins in Sweden use it, and we know how finicky teenagers are.  (It is an istallation package)
[04:22] <LinuxJones> Yomic, sh whatever.bin
[04:23] <Yomic> But it's a .run file
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Yomic, you might need root priviliges tho
[04:23] <JDahl> pugio, try "dpkg --purge gdm gnome", "apt-get install gdm gnome"... you might need to need to add --force to the dpkg command
[04:23] <NobleArc> sh whatever.run :P
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Yomic, that's ok
[04:23] <Yomic> Okay ;P
[04:23] <pugio> JDahl: ok thanks
[04:23] <Yomic> Thanks ;)
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Yomic, sorry too much vodka :P
[04:23] <_phate_> How do I setup a printer in Ubuntu?
[04:23] <_phate_> never mind
[04:24] <_phate_> its under system config
[04:24] <Yomic> No problem :P
[04:30] <aluser> I like the near-hourly updates to hoary
[04:30] <the_grey_ghost> anyone using a low end pc there
[04:31] <dinet> wath packages are needed for compiling on a ubuntu-system?
[04:31] <JDahl> dinet, build-essential is an easy way to get it
[04:31] <LinuxJones> dinet, install build-essential
[04:32] <dinet> oh
[04:32] <JDahl> the_grey_ghost, I am using a P3-1GHz, 256MB ram
[04:32] <the_grey_ghost> jdahl I'm after lower then that. Having trouble with Miniram install
[04:33] <the_grey_ghost> Got Ubuntu going on my 400 MHZ 192mb ram
[04:33] <the_grey_ghost> But need to go lower
[04:34] <pugio> hey, does anyone here have a "/usr/lib/control-center/" direcotry in their ubuntu install?
[04:35] <JDahl> pugio, yes.
[04:35] <pugio> JDahl: AH HAH, well, mine isn't there
[04:35] <pugio> JDahl: as I said, parts of the install just disappeared!
[04:35] <maximaus> JDahl, I wish I'd known about build-essential a few weeks ago--is it a standard metapackage for all Debian distros?
[04:36] <JDahl> maximaus, I think it's Ubuntu specific... Debian used to have a task package called "software development" or something like that
[04:37] <aluser> build-essential is wonderful
[04:37] <redissexy> indeed
[04:37] <Yomic> I just got an error while installing a game:
[04:37] <Yomic> tommy@TommyCockrell:~ $ sh PlaneShift_CBV0.3.007-1.x86.run
[04:37] <Yomic> Verifying archive integrity... All good.
[04:37] <Yomic> Uncompressing Planeshift Crystal Blue..........................
[04:37] <Yomic> /home/tommy/.setup6719: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:37] <maximaus> a smart package, I'll turn my converts on to it. :D
[04:37] <Yomic> Can anyone help?
[04:37] <JDahl> pugio, "dpkg -S /usr/lib/control-center" shows that capplets provides the directory
[04:38] <pugio> "dpkg: /usr/lib/control-center not found." JDahl
[04:38] <JDahl> pugio, so your capplet is probably not there :S
[04:39] <pugio> well, I don't have the GNOME Control Center installed
[04:39] <pugio> it says "rc" next to it's list in dpkg -l, what does that mean?
[04:40] <_phate_> I'm reading the Ubuntu FAQ, what the heck is ment by the question: "What happens with the version number in 2100?"
[04:41] <JDahl> Yomic, you probably need libgtk1.2-dev
[04:42] <Yomic> How would I go about getting that?
[04:42] <maximaus> Yomic, open up Synaptic and have a search
[04:42] <JDahl> pugio, c means removed but not purged (config files are still there), Try purge capplets
[04:42] <maximaus> or just "sudo apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev"
[04:43] <zenrox> whoops
[04:43] <Yomic> apt-get, alright
[04:43] <Yomic> Thanks.
[04:43] <pugio> JDahl: well, I did "apt-get install gnome-control-center" - as that also mysteriously got uninstalled
[04:44] <pugio> JDahl: which leads me to the issue of WHY do random parts keep disappearing???
[04:45] <JDahl> pugio, it's weird indeed... are you out of diskspace?
[04:45] <pugio> JDahl: not in the least
[04:45] <pugio> things just DISAPEAR
[04:46] <pugio> and not in a random way too, when something disappears, the entire package disappears all otgehter
[04:47] <JDahl> pugio, I am afraid this is out of my league... maybe you could try asking jdub next time he is around (provided the problem is gnome related)
[04:48] <pugio> alrighty
[04:49] <JDahl> pugio, to temporarily fix things, you could just install fluxbox...
[04:49] <pugio> heh heh
[04:49] <pugio> unfortunately, my buddies who use it wouldn't like that, they're new to linux and I told them it was less buggy than windows
[04:49] <maximaus> or XFCE or post a query to http://ubuntuforums.org/
[04:50] <JDahl> pugio, if you'd installed Warty it would be :P
[04:50] <maximaus> I wouldn't say it's less buggy, but it's more stable. :P
[04:50] <maximaus> I <3 Warty.
[04:56] <phester> hello
[04:57] <ells> is anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed
[04:57] <ells> apt-get wont do it
[04:58] <thierry> I'd like to fix ubuntu bug 3176 but I don't know where to make the changes in the firefox source... any ideas?
[04:59] <phester> I can't install gpp with apt-get, it can't find the package!
[04:59] <ells> you know, i am so pissed about acid rip and some packages not working, I think I might just go ahead and put debian on here
[04:59] <phester> what to do?
[05:00] <phester> hehe
[05:00] <JDahl> phester, Isnt it called g++?
[05:01] <phester> JDahl, I don't know, my friend told me gpp
[05:01] <phester> I'l test!
[05:02] <_phate_> Any idea how to setup a HP PSC 1315v? I can't get it to work as a postscript printer so I'm assuming its not one
[05:02] <ells> is anyone familiar on how I can get transcode and get it installed
[05:04] <phester> JDahl, It did the trick!!
[05:04] <_phate_> ells: whats transcode?
[05:04] <phester> thank you!!
[05:04] <ells> it is necessary to install dvd rip and use acid rip
[05:04] <ells> it wont install thru apt get
[05:05] <ells> it says it is a broken package
[05:05] <_phate_> it might be in either universe or multiverse
[05:06] <ells> I have tried that
[05:06] <Levander> can someone tell me how to change my domain name?
[05:06] <ells> _phate, can you burn dvds
[05:06] <NobleArc> scower the web for a .deb of transcode? o_O
[05:15] <pussfeller> Levander, you mean in /etc/hostname?
[05:17] <hayden> hi
[05:18] <_phate_> GAH! FireFox keeps crashing! Stupid old version...
[05:19] <hayden> is kde of gnome better?
[05:19] <NobleArc> can't..stand..0.9.3..
[05:19] <NobleArc> need..1.0.1...
[05:19] <_phate_> if it wasn't for the fact that ubuntu desktop requires it, i'd just apt-get remove it,
[05:19] <_phate_> same here
[05:20] <NobleArc> Oh well.
[05:20] <NobleArc> I just have to wait another month. >.<
[05:20] <hayden> update to hoary
[05:20] <NobleArc> waiting for Hoary to be released, heh.
[05:20] <hayden> at least u get to firefox 1.0 then
[05:20] <_phate_> I ain't waiting I'm dling the binary from mozilla.org right now
[05:20] <NobleArc> I'm too lazy.  For the first time ever, both Unreal Tournament 2004 and Counter-Strike -- cedega -- work in Linux.  They never, EVER have both before.  I always had one or the other.  I'm not messing with it.
[05:22] <_phate_> NobleArc: Thats why you dualboot Ubuntu and Win2k (on a 4GB partition)
[05:22] <NobleArc> eh.
[05:22] <NobleArc> I don't like Windows. -_-
[05:22] <NobleArc> haven't booted into it in about six days now.
[05:22] <_phate_> I also believe that there is a UT2k4 binary for linux
[05:22] <NobleArc> I'm using the UT2K4 Linux binary,
[05:22] <NobleArc> but CS is through Steam with Cedega.
[05:22] <NobleArc> Either UT2K4 or Cedega would work, in every distro I ever used -- 'cept Debian, neither with it, although I love Debian. =\
[05:23] <NobleArc> Never both, 'til now.  I will /not/ touch it. :P
[05:23] <_phate_> Steam? On Linux? Thats just bad taste!
[05:24] <NobleArc> lol.
[05:24] <NobleArc> I could live without Steam, but I love CS.
[05:24] <_phate_> leave the crap on windows.
[05:24] <NobleArc> not as much as UT2K4 of course. :0