[12:00] <stvn> linux_mafia: hm, beagle/best was complaining didn't really look into it since i blamed the new kernel
[12:01] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> nop, sypnaptic didn't find it
[12:01] <linux_mafia> stvn, im using a stock hoary kernel, if you dont use reiser or a another fs (you have to compile in extended attribute support) it should be fine as it is
[12:02] <stvn> linux_mafia: ah ok, will try again than
[12:02] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: ah ok, sorry monodevelop isn't in the stock ubuntu IIRC, check the wiki
[12:03] <AndyR> anyone using ess maestro sound?
[12:03] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, ok, thanks, so i need to bould from source?
[12:03] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: no, do you have hoary?
[12:04] <thenuke> http://www.koreus.com/files/200406/umbilical_brothers.html
[12:04] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> stvn, hoary ?? what is that?
[12:04] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: hoary is the upcoming ubuntu release, unstable developer kinda thing
[12:05] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> ahh no, i have warty dog or something
[12:05] <devFran> hola
[12:06] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: but it appears not, you can have a look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreakMyUbuntu
[12:06] <linux_mafia> monodevelop is in hoary's universe, or you can use tsengs repo
[12:06] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: i think it has monodevelop
[12:07] <stvn> AlbertEin_ZaYa: or you could go for hoary it does contain monodevelop but it's still in an unstable state
[12:07] <linux_mafia> http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/
[12:07] <devFran> First, hello, i'm from spain, sorry my bad english. I have a new Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo M 7427, and I install XP and ubuntu, but the pc when i restart don't work, show two lines of grub, and lock. The amilo is a laptop, and the installation of xp first and later ubutu are without parametres.
[12:08] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> thanx linux_mafia
[12:08] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> dpkg -i ?
[12:08] <linux_mafia> although even if you use tsengs repo, monodevelop probably depends on other stuffonly available in hoary
[12:08] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> well, if that doesn work, i'll install it from source
[12:09] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> i've already did it on slackware
[12:09] <tuppa> gah
[12:09] <tuppa> anyone installed hoary on an IBM thinkpad r40?
[12:09] <stvn> devFran: if you are very unsure of your english, you could try #ubuntu-es but otherwise we are willing to help
[12:09] <tuppa> ACPI still doesn't let me suspend
[12:10] <AlbertEin_ZaYa> agrrr!!! now k3b :(
[12:12] <linux_mafia> tuppa, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops/ mentions the r40, you looked at that?
[12:13] <tuppa> linux_mafia:  yep
[12:14] <Syberius> does anyone know how to keymap / bind the additional keys on logitech keyboards?
[12:15] <linux_mafia> tuppa, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2881&highlight=r40
[12:16] <devFran> Thanks for all, AlbertEin_Zaya and cia ;)
[12:16] <scoon> Syberius, using metacity ?
[12:16] <devFran> I tri with ubuntu -es
[12:18] <scoon> Syberius, yes
[12:20] <Syberius> scoon: how do you go about switching window manager then?
[12:20] <scoon> Syberius, i use the BT cordless elites w/ metacity.  And almost all the keys are mapped
[12:20] <scoon> Syberius, http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=14
[12:21] <farruinn> does someone know where "stickies" applet keeps its data?
[12:21] <scoon> Syberius, see if that will help you.  But different wm's have different ways they suggest switching away from metacity
[12:22] <Syberius> tbh im quite happy with gnome,
[12:22] <farruinn> my x is borked because I installed some packages from hoary but I was stupid enough to only save the list of packages installed in a stickie
[12:22] <socomm> ...
[12:23] <farruinn> n/m that, I paniced and asked before I tried to find it myself
[12:25] <titanfox> hello, I was just curious on what core Ubuntu 4.10 is built
[12:25] <socomm> Debian Unstable.
[12:25] <titanfox> oh, so its a debian core
[12:25] <titanfox> but why unstable ?
[12:26] <titanfox> will the next ubuntu release be based on a stable core ?
[12:26] <paspourtoi> gen: what are you doing? ctcp versioning the whole channel? !!
[12:26] <farruinn> titanfox, 4.10 was debian unstable made stable =)
[12:27] <rjek> gen did that the other day, too, IIRC.
[12:27] <socomm> titanfox: No Ubuntu is meant to be on the bleeding edge. Only stable-ized for day to day use.
[12:28] <farruinn> any apt wizards that can help?  I get an error "Invalide record in the preferences file, no Package header."
[12:28] <Kamion> titanfox: we start with unstable so that we're free to make our own release management decisions (mostly) independently of whatever mode Debian happens to be in.
[12:29] <lizdeika> reiserfs4 in hoary ?
[12:29] <titanfox> but if I download for example VLC, what package should I use ?
[12:29] <neoxed> any one know how i can share a folder over the network in linux
[12:29] <titanfox> the woody or the unstable sid ?
[12:29] <Kamion> lizdeika: likely to depend on whether it gets into the upstream kernel.
[12:30] <farruinn> oy, n/m again, sorry
[12:30] <Kamion> we don't have filesystem experts on staff to evaluate its suitability, so trusting Linus et al to decide is probably a better plan
[12:30] <lizdeika> hehe. ok
[12:31] <neoxed> if i download Video Lan Player For Red Hat Linux it wont work for ubuntu will it?
[12:33] <lizdeika> neoxed: you should install ubuntu's deb
[12:33] <farruinn> neoxed: always always, if there is a deb for something it's better to go with that
[12:33] <farruinn> otherwise you're just asking for a broken system
[12:34] <neoxed> all i see is red hat
[12:34] <neoxed> mandrake
[12:34] <neoxed> gnu/linux
[12:34] <lizdeika> O_O
[12:34] <neoxed> familliar linux
[12:34] <neoxed> but no ubuntu
[12:34] <farruinn> neoxed, to search for a program, use synaptic or apt-cache search
[12:35] <neoxed> its got the Source code on here but i dont know how to compile it heh
[12:35] <lizdeika> neoxed: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[12:35] <socomm> neoxed: Sometimes it will but you gotta use something like alien for it to install under your distro.
[12:35] <neoxed> okia
[12:37] <AndyR> lo ppl
[12:42] <tuppa> linux_mafia:  thanks
[12:44] <infie> anyone know of an editor which can be used to edit files over ssh
[12:45] <rjek> infie: Both Vim and Emacs let you do that.
[12:46] <infie> I'm setting up an environment for an Electronics head to edit a lua script remotely
[12:46] <farruinn> infie, nano is a bit more user friendly if you don't know vim or emacs
[12:46] <infie> I don't think Vim or emacs would be appropriate
[12:47] <paspourtoi> infie: nano then
[12:47] <nicktaylor> Hey everyone.  My parents have this old HP that has a busted on-board video chip.  Do you guys know of anyway that I could boot into Linux (which is not installed currently) and set it up as a file server over ssh?
[12:47] <socomm> nicktaylor: Maybe via paralell port.
[12:47] <decklin> nicktaylor: serial console? you'll have to buy a null modem cable.
[12:48] <amish_geek> Anyone familiar with installing Ubuntu on a hardware raid 1 setup?
[12:48] <infie> now nano doesn't seem to want to edit files over ssh
[12:49] <infie> I meant in this fashion:
[12:49] <nicktaylor> socomm, decklin: Thanks.  I'll look into both.
[12:49] <lil_anthony> what does it mean when you type mozilla-firefox and get segmentation fault?
[12:49] <infie> nano roy@geomonitor:/mnt/vibmon.lua
[12:49] <jon1012> lil_anthony, memory error, usually produced by conflicting version of dependencies
[12:50] <decklin> infie: you want something like shfs then.
[12:50] <amish_geek> why wont ubuntu make use of my hardware raid?
[12:50] <paspourtoi> infie: ssh foo@bar nano /file/to/edit
[12:50] <lil_anthony> ok thanks
[12:51] <Kamion> nano isn't that clever
[12:51] <infie> oh.. silly me
[12:51] <jon1012> paspourtoi, ah pour qui alors ? mdrrr
[12:51] <paspourtoi> pour personne !
[12:51] <Kamion> paspourtoi: you need ssh -t there
[12:51] <paspourtoi> ;)
[12:51] <usual> man, that new white theme in xchat was driving me crazy in hoary
[12:51] <jon1012> expdr
[12:51] <Kamion> at least if you want to do it with a single command
[12:51] <infie> thanks...
[12:51] <paspourtoi> Kamion: good point
[12:51] <jon1012> usual, hey it's better than dark :p
[12:52] <jon1012> usual, I love the new white theme :p
[12:52] <lizdeika> way better
[12:52] <paspourtoi> Kamion: why not just ssh in then edit?
[12:52] <usual> jon1012, I hated it, I changed it back
[12:52] <amish_geek> can anyone help me?
[12:53] <jon1012> usual, there should be a theme selector ;)
[12:53] <usual> jon1012, agreed
[12:54] <socomm> jon1012: Nothing stopping you from writing one.
[12:54] <infie> paspourtoi: This is for someone who has never once used unix
[12:54] <jon1012> socomm, right :)
[12:54] <infie> ie my boss
[12:54] <jon1012> socomm, maybe I will write one so :p
[12:54] <Kamion> paspourtoi: that works too, take your pick
[12:55] <amish_geek> has anyone here installed ubuntu on a raid setup?
[12:55] <socomm> infie: How about MS-Word2k?
[12:55] <infie> eh?
[12:55] <paspourtoi> Kamion: the -t option is good if you want out after editing I guess
[12:55] <infie> That includes remote-ssh editing?
[12:55] <lizdeika> damn i dont understand what happened to menu in hoary "Computer" became "Actions"
[12:56] <socomm> infie: I was kidding ...
[12:57] <infie> ah well, looks like he's going to have to use a console editor
[12:57] <Amaranth> lizdeika: GNOME got a new menu design and the Ubuntu changes haven't been applied to it yet
[12:57] <paspourtoi> infie: you'd have to be accurate with the path to the file: I think it's easier to log in over ssh then cd to the dir, ls , start nano
[12:57] <socomm> infie: Anyways if you want your boss to edit something just use nano, it has the list of commands on the lower section of the screen.
[12:57] <socomm> paspourtoi: Assuming that the server has a copy of nano installed.
[12:57] <lizdeika> ahh ok then. waiting
[12:58] <infie> pasourtoi: It is for a specific file on a tiny embedded device used in mine sites
[12:58] <paspourtoi> socomm: indeed
[12:58] <infie> a lua script to control the parameters
[12:58] <GotD0t> anybody know anything about wine, and why it keeps telling me it cant find the windows, system, and dos drives, and then cannot find what im trying to run, even though it exists
[12:59] <socomm> GotD0t: Did you use winesetuptk?
[12:59] <GotD0t> socomm: yea
[12:59] <infie> Anyway, just on the side
[12:59] <socomm> GotD0t: Make sure you used it as the same user who's trying to run wine.
[01:00] <kleedrac> Any reason why gmplayer tries loading mplayer.conf then exits with the message Illegal instruction
[01:00] <amish_geek> anyone have any experience with raid?
[01:01] <socomm> amish_geek: Try the ubuntu mailing list.
[01:01] <DonL> Hi. This is my first time here. Just downloaded Warty today, and I'm mighty impressed
[01:01] <amish_geek> socomm: whats the address?
[01:01] <jon1012> (for wine, the best thing to use is crossover for the apps ^^)
[01:01] <kleedrac> DonL: I'm with you ... installed earlier today :)
[01:02] <socomm> amish_geek: ubuntlinux.org search for it there.
[01:02] <DonL> Had a major Fedora crash, and wasn't ready to go back there.
[01:02] <jon1012> GotD0t, (maybe try http://www.codeweavers.com)
[01:02] <kleedrac> DonL: heh ... same here!!
[01:02] <DonL> lol
[01:03] <infie> Warty is very nice
[01:03] <kleedrac> Now I just need to get gmplayer working and I think I'm about done :)
[01:03] <infie> Grub vomited on my old bios/new HDD combo
[01:03] <DonL> Yes. I've been wanting to like Debian for a long time
[01:03] <infie> But other than that, def. nice
[01:04] <kleedrac> lol ... last time I tried Debian it didn't support my USB kb/mouse so I went back to Suse
[01:04] <kleedrac> I think Ubuntu might just keep me away from Suse for a while :)
[01:04] <DonL> infie, too bad. Mine went in and set itself up really nicely
[01:05] <|QuaD-> kleedrac: i tried suse for 3 days before i put ubuntu on, i cried daily (came from 2.5 years of debian unstable  and 1.5 years of debian testing/stable)
[01:05] <Quest-Master> I hated Suse too.. my first Linux distro
[01:06] <DonL> I've always used rpm's - first Mandrake for about 3 years, then Fedora for one.
[01:06] <jon1012> DonL, always used rpms too :)
[01:06] <|QuaD-> DonL: i started on mandrake, then to debian
[01:06] <|QuaD-> Quest-Master: i tried suse for no more then 3 days
[01:06] <jon1012> DonL, until ubuntu of course :p
[01:06] <|QuaD-> after day 1 i knew i had to get a new distro
[01:07] <DonL> I learned to love apt-get and synaptic with the version on Fedora
[01:07] <DonL> It didnt' work as well as it does on this distro though
[01:07] <Yakfisher> whats wrong with suse?!
[01:08] <ficusplanet> I'm trying to set up some nfs shares, but when I try to mount it, I get: mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused.  Any ideas?
[01:09] <scoon> ficusplanet, either your firewall is blocking that traffic or you do not have all of the daemons needed for nfs started
[01:10] <AndyR> can anyone do a skype call to me to test, im not having much luck with echo123
[01:10] <marsjays> i'm having some trouble with my prism54 wifi card.. when i insert it the modules load and it shows up when i run iwconfig, but it says "status: not ready!", i think the firmware doesn't load correctly.. anyone know how to fix it?
[01:10] <AndyR> skype id = andrew_rogers
[01:10] <ficusplanet> scoon, How can I check to see if my firewall is blocking it?
[01:11] <scoon> ficusplanet, different firewalls have different places that they log that kinda of thing to
[01:11] <scoon> ficusplanet, check the docs for the firewall that you are using.
[01:11] <marcellus> Any tips on getting a jdk etc installed on amd64? I just get broken dependencies (I use hoary).
[01:11] <ficusplanet> scoon, I don't know if I'm using any.  I just installed warty.
[01:11] <Amaranth> marcellus: does sun's java support amd64?
[01:11] <scoon> ficusplanet, then you are not.
[01:12] <Amaranth> marcellus: it wouldn't be a deb package, it would be a bin
[01:12] <scoon> ficusplanet, the default install does not use firewall if i remember correctly.
[01:13] <marcellus> Amaranth: Well there are packages for debian and I can always use the IA32 mode, I guess.
[01:13] <ficusplanet> Hmm ... then what could I be missing?  I have nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server installed.
[01:13] <usual> yay the menu is fixed in hoary
[01:13] <usual> hip hip hoaryy
[01:13] <Amaranth> marcellus: You'll need an entire 32-bit toolchain
[01:13] <ficusplanet> usual, Is it Apps, Places, System?
[01:14] <usual> ficusplanet, yeds
[01:14] <usual> yes
[01:14] <ficusplanet> usual, Great.  Right as I go back to warty, the new menus go in.
[01:14] <usual> ficusplanet, you went to warty because of menus?
[01:15] <ficusplanet> usual, No, because of crashing.
[01:15] <gen> you were using unstable, what do you expect?
[01:15] <gen> :)
[01:15] <ficusplanet> gen, I'm not complaining.  I just had to move back so I can get some work done tomorrow.
[01:16] <gen> makes sense.
[01:16] <DonL> I'm off to play some more with this distro, but I'm glad I found it and this irc
[01:17] <scoon> ficusplanet, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/
[01:17] <scoon> ficusplanet, bookmark tldp.org that will quickly become one of your favorite ref's
[01:18] <ficusplanet> scoon, Thanks.
[01:18] <neoxed> how can i share a folder over my network?
[01:18] <scoon> ficusplanet, np.
[01:19] <neoxed> any one know how i can do that?
[01:19] <neoxed> iv been trying for like 20 mins cant figgur it out
[01:19] <neoxed> hehe
[01:20] <s0cks> 160 GB Western Digital for 50 bucks
[01:20] <Gwildor|elsewher> but it
[01:20] <Gwildor|elsewher> buy it
[01:21] <Gwildor|elsewher> get me one too
[01:21] <Gwildor|elsewher> its christmas
[01:21] <gen> i just bought a 400 from seagate
[01:22] <marsjays> anyone got a clue on how to get cpu frequency scaling working on an amd athlon xp-m based machine?
[01:23] <s0cks> SWEET!
[01:23] <s0cks> I just got 750 gig storage up to a TB.\
[01:23] <s0cks> Raid, only with less expensive drives.
[01:24] <leverkusen> modprobe powernow-k7; apt-get install powernowd
[01:25] <leverkusen> there is another module that selects the policy (performance, powersave)
[01:25] <leverkusen> I don't remember the name
[01:25] <leverkusen> just src bash_completion and let it respond
[01:28] <marsjays> leverkusen: ok, i'll check it out..
[01:29] <scoon> neoxed, look into samba or nfs
[01:30] <marsjays> leverkusen: ah, perfect, thanks! i was struggling with cpufreqd, but apparently that wasn't right :)
[01:31] <bpd1069> is it cpu intensive to run my own DNS?
[01:31] <leverkusen> yeah, I tried some of them but powernowd gave me the silence I needed
[01:31] <carthikSchool> bpd1069, not at all
[01:31] <linux_twin02> hi i just installed ubuntu 4.10 and it's not able to startx
[01:32] <marsjays> now it's only the matter of the wifi firmware which wont load :-/
[01:32] <leverkusen> I'm a bit disappointed besides the centrino performance I've seen in newer laptops
[01:32] <bpd1069> carthikSchool: thanks...  didn't want to invest the time and effort if it would make my system crawl
[01:32] <carthikSchool> bpd1069, I have it running on my server (not at home) and it takes very little cputime
[01:33] <bpd1069> linux_twin02: a goo place to start is to check out the /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[01:33] <bpd1069> err googd
[01:33] <bpd1069> ack
[01:33] <amathis> how can I see how much HD space I am using?
[01:33] <marsjays> amathis: df -h
[01:34] <amathis> marsjays: gracias
[01:34] <bpd1069> carthikSchool: cool... want to make my webbrowsing a bit snappier... relying on my ISPs  DNS is a bit problematic at times
[01:39] <GotD0t> anybody know a tool for ripping a dvd to the hard disk?
[01:40] <tuppa> k3b?
[01:40] <tuppa> dvdrip?
[01:40] <tuppa> both are interfaces to transcode
[01:40] <scoon> tuppa, dvdbackup + mkisofs
[01:41] <Amaranth> dd if=/dev/hdc of=dvdrip.iso ;)
[01:41] <tuppa> Amaranth:  depends... if your DVD is encrypted, then it's not going to work very well at all...
[01:41] <Amaranth> sure it will
[01:42] <Amaranth> dd doesn't care about encryption, it'll be a bit for bit copy of the original, encryption and all
[01:42] <tuppa> Amaranth:  yes, but you'll get a metric ton of I/O errors from the drive
[01:42] <Amaranth> heh
[01:42] <tuppa> and dd won't be able to read a thing
[01:43] <tuppa> because your drive won't hand anything to dd
[01:43] <scoon> tuppa, Amaranth is correct.  The problem w/ that approach is when you need to compress the dvd for fit on a single layer disc
[01:43] <tuppa> depends on what DVD you're talking about
[01:43] <Amaranth> so i can't test
[01:44] <tuppa> if it's data, then dd works fine
[01:44] <tuppa> if it's a movie DVD from Hollywood... thaen you've gotta get libdvdread to decrypt it first
[01:44] <tuppa> i.e. the drive must have the key to decrypt the CSS
[01:44] <infie> bleh.
[01:44] <tuppa> otherwise it's all I/O errors from dd
[01:44] <tuppa> (I've done it before)
[01:45] <infie> I run a script which should detach a process and exit, by using ssh roy@device /mnt/runterm.sh
[01:45] <infie> Where runterm just does a "/mnt/vib /mnt/interface/term.lua&"
[01:45] <neoxed> how can i find out what my router ip is
[01:45] <neoxed> ?
[01:46] <Amaranth> neoxed: it should be <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:46] <infie> However the ssh process blocks, waiting for /mnt/vib /mnt/interface/term.lua& to complete
[01:46] <scoon> neoxed, what kind of router is it ?
[01:46] <infie> despite the "&"
[01:47] <neoxed> linksys router
[01:47] <jon1012>  good night everybody :)
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Can I get the link to the Ship-It page where my friend can check the status of his order?
[01:47] <scoon> neoxed, probably check w/ linksys.com com for your router
[01:47] <scoon> neoxed, but i bet yours could be <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:49] <AndyR> anyone able to call me using skype to test it out?
[01:49] <neoxed> i know that im trying to find out what ip the router gave me
[01:49] <RubenV> Quest-Master: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[01:49] <neoxed> Kernel IP routing table
[01:49] <neoxed> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[01:49] <neoxed> <IP_ADDRESS>     *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[01:49] <neoxed> default         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[01:49] <neoxed> thats whats in there
[01:51] <GotD0t> why is it k3b btw?
[01:52] <tuppa> k3b has preminary support for transcode
[01:52] <tuppa> not as good as dvdrip, then again not as complex
[01:52] <GotD0t> no, i mean why is it called k3b
[01:52] <tuppa> although I haven't used k3b before
[01:52] <tuppa> no idea, ask the guy who wrote  it ;)
[01:54] <scoon> neoxed, go to linksys.com and read the manual for your router.
[01:54] <scoon> neoxed, your router's ip is <IP_ADDRESS>, by default linksys uses dhcp
[01:55] <GotD0t> wow... k3b is SLOW
[01:56] <Sophistication> GotD0t, what flags did you use when you recompiled k3b btw?
[01:57] <GotD0t> Sophistication: i didnt recompile k3b...
[01:57] <n-y-c-boy> wow
[01:57] <GotD0t> ?
[01:57] <neoxed> kkk
[01:58] <GotD0t> this isn't gentoo...
[01:58] <Sophistication> GotD0t, then why say its slow on the default & not try to speed up for your cpu?
[01:59] <Sophistication> GotD0t, :) Im just saying its linux & its possible to speed things up sometimes thats all
[01:59] <GotD0t> Sophistication: it shouldnt be so poorly made that it takes 45 minutes to rip a dvd that has no sort of encryption
[02:00] <Sophistication> GotD0t, You do know k3b uses cdrecord?
[02:00] <GotD0t> yea...
[02:00] <scoon> GotD0t, maybe it is your burner ?  anything in dmesg, do you have dma on your drives ?
[02:01] <GotD0t> no dma as far as i know
[02:01] <Sophistication> GotD0t, have you tryed a new firmware on the dvd drive
[02:01] <scoon> GotD0t, well that will do it.
[02:01] <steakum> what does everyone use in ubuntu to burn ISO's?
[02:01] <GotD0t> all im saying is windows takes 5 minutes to rip a dvd that IS encoded
[02:01] <scoon> GotD0t, why not just be certain and do a hdparm /dev/whatever-your-drives-devices-id's-are
[02:01] <scoon> GotD0t, and check
[02:02] <scoon> GotD0t, if dma is not enabled then you should look into enabling.
[02:02] <GotD0t> scoon: what am i looking for in hdparm?
[02:02] <trans_err> steakum, gnome?
[02:03] <trans_err> just right click on an ISO and burn it
[02:03] <scoon> GotD0t, if dma is enabled
[02:03] <steakum> oh
[02:03] <steakum> ok
[02:03] <steakum> thanks
[02:03] <scoon> GotD0t, you were not certain
[02:03] <GotD0t> scoon: no its not
[02:04] <infie> Is there a reason ubuntu packages XFree86 rather than X.org?
[02:04] <infie> I am guessing that is a can of worms.
[02:04] <tuppa> infie:  try hoary ;)
[02:04] <GotD0t> infie: hoary has it
[02:04] <GotD0t> scoon: what is dma and how do i enable it
[02:04] <infie> hoary is the next version of U?
[02:05] <zenwhen> infie, yes
[02:05] <Sophistication> infie, I say give it time for a move to xorg Im sure
[02:05] <scoon> GotD0t, check out man hdparm
[02:06] <scoon> GotD0t, that will tell you how to enable it.
[02:06] <GotD0t> scoon: it says its off
[02:06] <scoon> GotD0t, and of course google will help you decide if dma is something you want
[02:06] <GotD0t> scoon: can you explain it briefly?
[02:06] <infie> Anyway, I'm finding Ubuntu very useful for my job- nice work and so forth to whoever put it together
[02:07] <Sophistication> example /sbin/hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[02:07] <scoon> GotD0t, the short answer is that is makes everything go faster.
[02:07] <GotD0t> scoon: there is a catch, considering its not defaulted on
[02:07] <tuppa> scoon:  let me tell you that typing dma in google and then press "I'm feeling lucky" is not what you would expect ;)
[02:07] <scoon> GotD0t, well no.
[02:07] <scoon> tuppa, but you could try dma + linux
[02:08] <scoon> tuppa, that would cut it down a bit.
[02:08] <GotD0t> scoon: there isn't a catch?
[02:08] <scoon> GotD0t, it is probably not enabled becuase your hw is old or can't use it.
[02:08] <scoon> GotD0t, but you SHOULD check out man hdparm
[02:08] <GotD0t> scoon: its an 8x dvd burner... it cant be THAT old
[02:09] <tuppa> scoon:  I was just mucking around
[02:09] <scoon> GotD0t, well i don't know why yours would be disabled.  when i installed warty, mine was enabled.  look, read the man page for hdparm
[02:10] <ultrafunk> GotD0t: you could probably also try "-u1" with hdparm, if your DVD and a faster device (say, an HDD) are on the same controller
[02:10] <Sophistication> GotD0t, whos the maker of the drive?
[02:10] <GotD0t> Sophistication: light-on
[02:12] <Sophistication> GotD0t, Check in your bios to see if DMA is supported there first before the OS
[02:12] <GotD0t> Sophistication: ah... that requires reboot
[02:13] <GotD0t> ill just have to tell my sisters girlfriend shes gotta wait for her dvd
[02:13] <scoon> GotD0t, unless she is hot, then invite her to make a diff one !!!!!!!!!!!1
[02:14] <GotD0t> wow
[02:14] <GotD0t> pervert
[02:14] <scoon> GotD0t, i said if she is hot
[02:15] <scoon> GotD0t, not -> IF
[02:15] <GotD0t> like i said, pervert
[02:15] <Sophistication> Im shocked a pervert is on irc quite frankly
[02:16] <linux_mafia> what pervert? where?
[02:17] <scoon> GotD0t, i guess she is not hot then
[02:17] <scoon> eh, reboot and check for a dma
[02:18] <arthur> how do i get mplayer to install using apt?
[02:20] <linux_mafia> arthur, its in multiverse
[02:20] <ineedhelp> im having a problem installing mplayer following the writeup on ubuntuforums.org, its telling me that libpng isnt installed
[02:21] <ineedhelp> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94 this is the thread im refering to
[02:21] <arthur> trying to install with multiverse, but no success too.. :(
[02:22] <amathis> it isn't that hard
[02:22] <arthur> i get some broken-packages
[02:22] <ineedhelp> i found my problem
[02:23] <ineedhelp> i needed libpng12-dev
[02:23] <arthur> Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but its not going to install
[02:23] <arthur> same with: libfribidi0, libggi2, libungif4g
[02:24] <GotD0t> arthur: its not going to install, or its uninstallable?
[02:25] <arthur> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:25] <arthur>   mplayer-nogui: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
[02:25] <arthur>                  Depends: libfribidi0 (>= 0.10.4-5) but 0.10.4-3 is to be installed
[02:25] <arthur>                  Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not going to be installed
[02:25] <arthur>                  Depends: libungif4g (>= 4.1.3) but 4.1.0b1-6 is to be installed
[02:26] <crazney> hrm, for some reason in the standard virtual consoles (not x), my | key (shift \) gives me a ~, \ gives me #. it works normally in X. what could be going on there? dodgy keymap?
[02:26] <Sophistication> ps2 or usb
[02:26] <crazney> ps2
[02:26] <arthur> how to solve that broken packages?
[02:26] <Einzelganger> I have installed flash, but I seem to be missing some fonts, for example in macromedia.com, the menu in the top doesn't display the text, just an "empty menu-structure"
[02:27] <crazney> hrm, and my " comes out as @
[02:27] <crazney> crazy
[02:28] <pepsi_> hrm
[02:28] <Einzelganger> even in the right-click => settings of flash, there is no text visable
[02:29] <arthur> GotD0t, you know how to solve that broken packs?
[02:29] <pepsi_> is there a command that will tell me if a window with a certain name is active? and one to bring that window to the front? ie. i want an application launcher that will open gcalctool if it is not already open and bring it to the front if it is already open
[02:36] <Amaranth> yippee, the GNOME menus are almost usable again in hoary
[02:46] <neoxed> how do you install a run/run.bat?
[02:46] <neoxed> root@NeoXed:/home/neoxed/j-ftp # dir
[02:46] <neoxed> build      doc                  hs_err_pid32439.log  LICENSE  src
[02:46] <neoxed> build.xml  hs_err_pid13614.log  hs_err_pid7083.log   readme   TODO
[02:46] <neoxed> CHANGELOG  hs_err_pid19369.log  jalopy               run
[02:46] <neoxed> CVS        hs_err_pid32343.log  lib                  run.bat
[02:46] <netsplit> Did you read the readme?
[02:47] <neoxed> nope
[02:47] <neoxed> lol
[02:47] <neoxed> brb
[02:47] <punkrockguy318> what's the diffence between universe and multiverse?
[02:48] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, whats almost mean?
[02:48] <mjr> punkrockguy318, free/non-free
[02:48] <Amaranth> linux_mafia: You still can't remove items.
[02:48] <neoxed> ba
[02:48] <punkrockguy318> mjh oh
[02:48] <neoxed> whats the name of a good ftp program
[02:48] <neoxed> to download and upload things like BPFTP for windows
[02:48] <punkrockguy318> mjr, so can I install java through  multiverse?
[02:49] <punkrockguy318> neoxed, are you looking for a gui of cli?
[02:49] <mjr> punkrockguy318, don't know
[02:49] <neoxed> gui
[02:49] <punkrockguy318> neoxed, gftp is really nice
[02:49] <neoxed> ok thank
[02:49] <linux_mafia> punkrockguy318, universe == if it breaks you get to keep the pieces, multiverse == the devs kicking them away from your hands as you crawl on the floor trying to pick them up, heh
[02:49] <neoxed> thanks.
[02:50] <punkrockguy318> linux_mafia, lo
[02:50] <MasterFox> Greetings
[02:56] <huamn> Hello
[02:56] <punkrockguy318> can I get java through multiverse?
[02:57] <neoxed> any one know any ftp servers i can connect to so i can see if this thing is working right
[02:57] <punkrockguy318> idsoftware.com
[02:57] <squeegy> ftp.kernel.org
[02:57] <neoxed> thanks
[02:57] <huamn> I've got this little problem with Ubuntu running on AMD64... just about every program bitches about shared libraries... For example the Firefox 1.0 installer says something like this: ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:58] <huamn> that libgtx is in /usr/lib/, I checked.. but it's not found... does anybody know why?
[02:58] <punkrockguy318> does ubuntu have an fstab tool?
[02:58] <linux_mafia> Amaranth, hmmm, apps, places, system, i think i preffered the setup before
[03:00] <linux_mafia> punkrockguy318, no java through multiverse, and nano, gedit, vi for fstab
[03:01] <punkrockguy318> linux_mafia, okay
[03:01] <punkrockguy318> i'm really pleased with ubuntu
[03:02] <punkrockguy318> it doesn't take the power away... like overwriting conf files all the time like YaST
[03:02] <farruinn> Is there a way to run the automatic X configuration that runs during the installation?  My X is borked and I've dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xfree86 at least three times to no avail.
[03:04] <farruinn> no errors in the log either (less XFree86.0.log | grep EE gives nothing)
[03:04] <punkrockguy318> how can I add a menu entry globally? (for all users)?
[03:16] <punkrockguy318> hello
[03:17] <Pluk> hi punkrockguy318
[03:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> hey guys, has the ATI FGLRX drives been modified to actually work well yet?
[03:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> and work for x300 cards properly (like me 9700 pro)
[03:26] <DeepSpaceAnt> my*
[03:31] <punkrockguy318> how can I install the new firefox?
[03:31] <RuffianSoldier> ummm
[03:33] <tuppa> errr...
[03:33] <tuppa> apt-get install mozilla-firefox? :)
[03:33] <lek> arg..
[03:34] <lek> punkrock, can add "deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe" to sources.list (sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list) in terminal
[03:34] <lek> then sudo apt-get update
[03:34] <lek> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[03:34] <lek> would work.
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> warty-backports/
[03:34] <lek> Yes.
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> warty-backports?
[03:34] <punkrockguy318> what's that?
[03:35] <NixerX> HEy all.
[03:36] <punkrockguy318> lek?
[03:37] <lek> what
[03:37] <lek> just do what i said
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> what's warty-backports
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> yeah i know, but I'm just wondering what it is
[03:37] <lek> backports from hoary that are safe on warty with its on repository
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> oh
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> awesome :)
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> stable?
[03:37] <lek> yes
[03:37] <punkrockguy318> good
[03:38] <lek> only a few main programs
[03:38] <punkrockguy318> thanks a lot!
[03:38] <lek> xchat, firefox, etc
[03:38] <lek> no problem
[03:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> man I wish the  dev team could work on the fglrx driver
[03:38] <khad> Anyone want to field a Fedora dual-boot question?
[03:38] <DeepSpaceAnt> only reason I cant really use ubuntu
[03:38] <|QuaD|> khad: i can try
[03:39] <khad> |Quad|: I installed Fedora. No problem. THen I installed Ubuntu in leftover space. How do I access my Fedora installation since GRUB didn't autodetect it?
[03:39] <NixerX> What packages do i need to play mp3's?
[03:39] <lek> nixerx, depends on the program you use to play, some come with decoders
[03:39] <lek> xmms, etc
[03:39] <NixerX> ok.
[03:39] <DeepSpaceAnt> khad do u know what partitions fedora is on
[03:40] <khad> |QuaD|: Um. Let me check
[03:40] <DeepSpaceAnt> khad like hd1 etc..
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> lek, that's awesome!! the only packages I actually cared about (gaim, synaptic, firefox, xchat) are getting upgraded :) an no stupid libraries and getting upgraded to bork everything
[03:40] <punkrockguy318> and I can use my old configs from arch
[03:40] <Gmail> woooooow got my self +q in #gentoo
[03:40] <Gmail> party in my new house
[03:40] <lek> punkrockguy318, yep.
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> i have an apt-get question
[03:41] <DeepSpaceAnt> khad edit the /boot/grub/grub.conf or something like that file and add in another line for fedora pointing to the right partition
[03:41] <lek> what is it?
[03:41] <|QuaD|> khad: also what does your grub file look like
[03:41] <natex> khad, actually edit /boot/grub/menu.1st
[03:41] <punkrockguy318> let's say we have repo A and repo B.  Repo A has package X version 1.  Repo B has package X version 2... which one will be installed when I apt-get install X?
[03:42] <DeepSpaceAnt> natex: opps ty, that's what I ment im not in ubuntu rite now
[03:42] <khad> I am not sure because FC2 uses weird LVM stuff
[03:42] <natex> DeepSpaceAnt, np
[03:42] <|QuaD|> punkrockguy318: i believe version 2 (unless you modify pinning)
[03:42] <khad> I don't quit get it
[03:42] <lek> punk, latest version
[03:42] <punkrockguy318> lek, okay
[03:42] <khad>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb1               1          13      104391   83  Linux
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb2              14        1837    14651280   83  Linux
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb3   *        1838        4803    23824395   83  Linux
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb4            4804        4865      498015    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[03:42] <khad> /dev/hdb5            4804        4865      497983+  82  Linux swap
[03:42] <|QuaD|> khad: NOOOO
[03:42] <khad> It is somewhere in there
[03:43] <punkrockguy318> another question:  is this any burning software available besides nautius (without installing kde)?
[03:43] <lek> if there happens to be a conflict, you could comment on a repos for temp
[03:43] <punkrockguy318> thanks
[03:43] <lek> punkrock, k3b is honestly the best, requires the kde stuff though.
[03:43] <DeepSpaceAnt> punkrockguy318 u could alwys install k3b..
[03:43] <natex> punkrockguy318, try http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php
[03:43] <|QuaD|> khad: where was redhad installed to?
[03:44] <punkrockguy318> natex are there debs available?
[03:44] <khad> I installed it on the whole drive (plus a swap) and then resized the partition with Ubuntu's installer
[03:44] <natex> punkrockguy318, hold on
[03:44] <khad> I think they share the swap partition
[03:44] <|QuaD|> khad: ?
[03:45] <khad> Quite frankly I don't know why W95 is listed on the drive
[03:45] <|QuaD|> do u have a fat partition?
[03:45] <khad> I never put one on that drive.
[03:45] <fast> can i use k3b with ubuntu?
[03:45] <khad> I have NTFS and FAT32 on hda
[03:45] <lek> fast, yes
[03:45] <RuffianSoldier> fast - I did
[03:45] <punkrockguy318> thanks a lot guys... you rock :)
[03:46] <lek> no problem
[03:46] <RuffianSoldier> k3b = only good K App
[03:46] <lek> agreeing with ruffian here
[03:46] <lek> oh and kbounce :)
[03:46] <gnoob> hey, how do i get root permissions in ubuntu?
[03:46] <fast> hmm... must say i quite like kde
[03:46] <khad> It looks like the sawp is just listed as being inside of the extended partition. Defaults to calling it W95?
[03:46] <lek> gnoob, use sudo
[03:46] <fast> just installed ubuntu out of curiosit
[03:46] <gnoob> lek; ok
[03:47] <fast> i like it
[03:47] <lek> fast, who doesn't? :)
[03:47] <fast> but feel a bit restricted
[03:47] <lek> fast, how so?
[03:47] <fast> by synaptic
[03:47] <gnoob> lek; su tells me i need a password. I don't have the password.
[03:47] <khad> The only boot partition listed is hdb3, I think that is Ubuntu?
[03:47] <lek> gnoob, sudo -s
[03:47] <lek> then use default password your set for your user
[03:48] <lek> you set*
[03:48] <fast> do u guys generally use synaptic?
[03:48] <lek> fast, no
[03:48] <punkrockguy318> ah :-D new xchat firefox and gaim :-D i'm happy
[03:48] <gnoob> lek; so now i could set my password with no problems right?
[03:48] <fast> ok say u want to install firefox 1.0... what do you do? download the source?
[03:48] <lek> gnoob, password for?
[03:48] <fast> i am used to gentoo... just emerge -u...
[03:48] <gnoob> lek; for root
[03:49] <lek> gnoob, why do you want a root account?
[03:49] <lek> you don't need one
[03:49] <punkrockguy318> fast, lek will give you a line to add your your sources.list
[03:49] <lek> and it's not safe
[03:49] <natex> gnoob, ubuntu doesn't use su it uses sudo. If you really need a root account you can 'sudo passwd root'
[03:49] <gnoob> lek; i don't know, it on other linux distros.
[03:49] <gnoob> ok
[03:50] <natex> gnoob, but sudo is "supposed" to be secure
[03:50] <khad> Hm.. I guess I'll find help somewhere else...?
[03:50] <fast> lek, can i have line for sources list?
[03:50] <lek> line for?
[03:50] <punkrockguy318> why is a root account insecure?
[03:50] <punkrockguy318> lek, for the backports
[03:50] <gnoob> natex; cool.  Is that question asked a lot?
[03:50] <natex> not sure :)
[03:51] <DeepSpaceAnt> natex - last time I checked my friend was able to do "su -" "pasword" and it workd..dunno why
[03:51] <gnoob> sudo -s workd
[03:51] <lek> it is "deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe"
[03:51] <gnoob> to get me a # prompt
[03:51] <natex> khad, you need to tell us which partition is Redhat
[03:52] <khad> I'm trying to figure it out because FC3 (maybe earlier versions as well) use some weird LVM stuff so it's not a simple matter of a single partition.
[03:52] <punkrockguy318> how is a root account insecure?
[03:52] <lek> how is it not?
[03:52] <natex> khad, which is Ubuntu then? And is there only two linux OS on this box?
[03:53] <khad> It looked as though there was a small boot partition that pointed to the actual partition. Am I crazy?
[03:53] <lek> punkrock, you must be a windows native kind of guy
[03:53] <khad> I have two hard drives. I am ignoring hda for the purpose of this discussion because it is only NTFS and FAT32 for Windows stuff
[03:53] <natex> khad, ok good
[03:53] <khad> On my hdb there is FC3 and Ubuntu only
[03:54] <RuffianSoldier> FC3?
[03:54] <RuffianSoldier> TRAITOR!
[03:54] <lek> haha
[03:54] <RuffianSoldier> FC3 killed my Ubuntu box!
[03:54] <natex> khad, and you are in ubuntu now?
[03:54] <lek> fc3 kills anything that lives
[03:54] <|QuaD|> why would you want fc3 and ubuntu?
[03:54] <punkrockguy318> okay.. i installed the "qc-usb-source" package... how do I compile and install it?
[03:54] <khad> natex:  Yes, I cannot access my FC3 installation becuase I am stupid and Ubuntu/GRUB did not autodetect it.
[03:55] <natex> khad, ok do a 'df' in a console for me.
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> hmm ubuntu detected my other linux partition
[03:55] <khad> I want to test KDE and XFCE and FC3 seems to better support them
[03:55] <lek> punkrock, ./ configure && make && sudo make install
[03:55] <punkrockguy318> lek, where is it installed to?
[03:55] <khad> (i.e.: I can just click a checkbox when I install FC3 to also get KDE and XFCE)
[03:55] <lek> you'll see when it installs
[03:55] <Agrajag> /usr/local usually
[03:56] <fast> lek, this backports thing is what exactly? and why isn't it there by default?
[03:56] <natex> khad, "df" in a console will tell us which is the Ubuntu partition
[03:56] <punkrockguy318> lek, i mean, where is the source installed to?  i got the ubuntu package
[03:56] <lek> fast, a friend of mine made it, it's not really known by many
[03:56] <khad> Fedora is weird. I would assume just one partition for Fedora and then Ubuntu gets its own and they can share swap partition?
[03:57] <fast> lek, so it will always have more up2date software on it?
[03:57] <khad> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[03:57] <khad> /dev/hdb3             23450068   3547732  18711120  16% /
[03:57] <khad> tmpfs                   128172         0    128172   0% /dev/shm
[03:57] <khad> /dev/hda5            109654312  65804156  43850156  61% /mnt/backup
[03:57] <punkrockguy318> how do I find out what files are installed by a particular package/
[03:57] <lek> fast, not always, whenever he puts it up
[03:57] <|QuaD|> khad: NO PASTING!!!!
[03:57] <lek> fast, pretty up to date for now though
[03:57] <khad> |QuaD|, where is the rulebook?
[03:57] <|QuaD|> khad: its irc etiquitte
[03:57] <lek> be back in a second
[03:58] <trans_err> i have an A7N266-wm motherboard and I just replaced the integrated video card with a GeForce 5700... However, now I get random freezes when using any form of AGP (rather it be agpgart or nvagp)... These freezes are not temp related as it runs fine with no agp support, the free driver also works with out any freezes...
[03:58] <khad> Apologies for the bad etiquette, but it is merely four lines
[03:58] <|QuaD|> khad: doesn't matter
[03:58] <khad> |Quad|, How am I to know this?
[03:58] <natex> netcops will catch you
[03:58] <|QuaD|> :)
[03:59] <khad> Uh-oh! I hear sirens on my speakers
[03:59] <khad> Seriously, though, is there something I should read before chatting in here?
[03:59] <gnoob> is this the officia ubunto help channel?
[03:59] <tuppa> watch out for gestapos with the canonical logo as the armpatch
[04:00] <neoxed> lease Remember Me.mp3 at 10132.59 KB/s
[04:00] <khad> Is there an AOL Terms of Service? I mean.. Ubuntu IRC terms of service?
[04:00] <trans_err> anyone at all?
[04:01] <fast> man evolution has improved a lot since i last used it!
[04:01] <infie> Anyone know of a nice flowchart program?
[04:01] <fast> i suppose that is novells doing? many new releases?
[04:02] <natex> trans_err, sounds like more of a hardware question. not really ubuntu related
[04:02] <|QuaD|> infie: i like 2 programs (depending what you need)
[04:02] <|QuaD|> first dia
[04:02] <tiago> hi there, I reinstall my system and just maked backup of /var/cache/apt, how can I back this previus packages in my new installation?
[04:03] <|QuaD|> infie: looking for the name of the second, this is a program i like better, hold up
[04:03] <rushibhai> tiago: dpkg?
[04:03] <natex> khad, hdb1 is probably the FC boot partition
[04:03] <tiago> rushibhai, humm, I try
[04:03] <infie> Kivio perhaps?
[04:03] <natex> infie, I'll pipe in while he's looking, openoffice-draw works pretty good
[04:04] <infie> ok thanks
[04:04] <|QuaD|> infie: nope
[04:04] <infie> I'm grabbing dia
[04:04] <natex> inkscape?
[04:04] <infie> and I'll see which I like better
[04:04] <trans_err> natex, well I use ubuntu- so i thought there might be some folks who know... i really hope this room does not turn into another #debian elitist chat
[04:04] <|QuaD|> infie: its a java prog... dia is really nice for flowcharts though
[04:04] <infie> ok
[04:04] <infie> well thanks
[04:04] <|QuaD|> trans_err = troll?
[04:04] <infie> I just hope it handles larger flowcharts
[04:04] <tiago> rushibhai, just dpkg install package.deb, right?
[04:04] <infie> in a nice way
[04:04] <natex> trans_err, well if you'd like to get a good answer, why not ask where you are likely to get one?
[04:05] <|QuaD|> infie: dia will, this other program probably not
[04:05] <natex> trans_err, if it were me I'd ask in a hardware forum, that's all
[04:05] <rushibhai> tiago: you can do something like dpkg --install --recursive directory
[04:06] <rushibhai> where directory contains your packages.
[04:06] <|QuaD|> infie: its called freemind, more of a mindmap then a flowchart, but it is a lot cooler (imho), not on the repos though)
[04:06] <rushibhai> check out the man page.
[04:07] <zenwhen> Hey you all are welcome in #ubuntuforums for light hearted linux chat and stupidity. :)
[04:07] <infie> freemind- thanks
[04:07] <infie> I'll look it up
[04:07] <lek> go fix your computers zenwhen
[04:07] <zenwhen> hehe
[04:07] <trans_err> |QuaD|, not quite
[04:08] <tuppa> lovely
[04:09] <tuppa> no more pissing around with thinkpad-source to get dynamic cpu speed to work
[04:12] <fast> i got the latest versions now!!!
[04:14] <fast> is kde available for ubuntu?
[04:14] <Agrajag> yes
[04:14] <Agrajag> you need ot use the universe repository
[04:14] <natex> careful fast, you are going to break your ubuntu ;)
[04:14] <Agrajag> instructions to do that are in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:15] <|QuaD|> fast: can i reccomend against kde?
[04:15] <|QuaD|> fast i love kde.... i don't use it with ubuntu hough
[04:15] <fast> hmm i may stay clear
[04:16] <RAK2> Is there a problem with KDE under ubuntu, it seems to run fine here, anything I should know?
[04:16] <neoxed> any one know where i can get some cool gnome skins?
[04:16] <natex> hehe...gnome skins
[04:16] <natex> sorry.
[04:16] <Agrajag> gnome themes
[04:16] <Agrajag> I tihnk the package you want is gnome-themes-extras
[04:17] <neoxed> ok thanks
[04:17] <Agrajag> I highly recommend Ximian Industrial.
[04:17] <neoxed> okia
[04:17] <|QuaD|> ximian industrial?
[04:17] <neoxed> ;0
[04:17] <|QuaD|> link?
[04:17] <tomchuk> neoxed: gnome-look.org and art.gnome.org are good too
[04:18] <KeeGold> Hi! Anybody care to help me with upgrading discover?
[04:18] <|QuaD|> KeeGold: what do you mean
[04:18] <neoxed> oo
[04:18] <neoxed> kool
[04:19] <s0cks> can we run dual procs?
[04:19] <KeeGold> ubuntu seems to be using discover1 which never works from the command line.
[04:19] <KeeGold> I would like to upgrade to v2
[04:19] <tomchuk> s0cks: yes
[04:19] <KeeGold> But ubuntu-base depends on discover1
[04:19] <khad> neoxed: There are good things at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/theme.php
[04:20] <neoxed> koool
[04:20] <neoxed> im loaded now :)
[04:21] <Agrajag> |QuaD|: industrial is basically the same as Human, only blue instead of brown, and rounded
[04:21] <Agrajag> Human was based on Industrial
[04:22] <zenwhen> I like the human window boarder.
[04:22] <Agrajag> eh
[04:22] <zenwhen> I use it with the industrial GTK engine
[04:22] <zenwhen> I dont like rounded crap.
[04:22] <Agrajag> well, that's what the human theme uses anyway
[04:23] <zenwhen> Oh?
[04:23] <Agrajag> yeah
[04:23] <zenwhen> Not the one I have
[04:23] <Agrajag> the windows borders are very similar too
[04:23] <Agrajag> o rly
[04:23] <Agrajag> let me check on that, I could have sworn...
[04:23] <zenwhen> yeah
[04:23] <zenwhen> human is square for me
[04:23] <Agrajag> looks the exact same to me
[04:23] <Agrajag> the windows you mean?
[04:23] <zenwhen> yes
[04:23] <Agrajag> or the buttons?
[04:24] <Agrajag> oh
[04:24] <zenwhen> the windows
[04:24] <natex> I wish it was rounded and stipple titlebar
[04:24] <Agrajag> well that's metacity, not the GTK engine
[04:24] <zenwhen> Oh
[04:24] <zenwhen> whatver
[04:24] <Agrajag> they both use the same GTK engine
[04:24] <zenwhen> >:(
[04:24] <Agrajag> owned
[04:24] <Agrajag> >:)
[04:24] <zenwhen> I am going to curse you in #ubuntuforums now
[04:24] <Agrajag> >:(
[04:30] <wasabi> Trying to get a SiS 82C204 to work right. Ubuntu's GDM won't start by default.
[04:30] <wasabi> Detects everything perfectly though, just doesn't load
[04:33] <tomchuk> wasabi: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[04:34] <DigiKill> evenin.....
[04:34] <wasabi> (EE) No devices detected.
[04:34] <wasabi> tomchuk, which is odd because right above it it talks about the SiS card being hte primary device. ;0
[04:34] <wasabi> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00:0c:0
[04:34] <wasabi> (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
[04:34] <wasabi> (EE) No devices detected.
[04:34] <DigiKill> curious if anyone's runnin ubuntu on PPC cpus in here?
[04:34] <tomchuk> wasabi: weird, what driver is listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config?
[04:34] <wasabi> sis
[04:35] <|QuaD|> is there a way to turn off auto redirect in firefox?
[04:35] <wasabi> It detects it fine. Loads the module. Prints out the info.
[04:35] <tomchuk> wasabi: try vesa to see if it'll start
[04:35] <wasabi> And then says no device.
[04:35] <wasabi> k
[04:35] <farruinn> DigiKill: I am
[04:35] <wasabi> vesa worked. =(
[04:35] <wasabi> which is fine. Just sucks.
[04:35] <DigiKill> cool farruinn
[04:35] <farruinn> DigiKill: works rather well
[04:36] <DigiKill> did it pick up hardware pretty well?
[04:36] <tomchuk> wasabi: hmm, you might try installing a dri snapshot from dri.sf.net
[04:36] <farruinn> DigiKill: well the first time it did... I'm reinstalling right now and it's not going as well as it did the first time
[04:37] <DigiKill> what kind of issues?
[04:37] <tomchuk> DigiKill: what graphics card?
[04:37] <DigiKill> ati and an geforce2
[04:38] <farruinn> DigiKill: for some reason openoffice.org didn't install correctly - I ended up with broken packages, but I'm running apt-get install ubuntu-desktop now to fix it all
[04:38] <bpd1069> <-- went through the ATI hell
[04:38] <farruinn> and it didn't detect my X settings like it did last time.
[04:39] <DigiKill> its an old ATI card.....fairly well supported on other linux ive used...
[04:39] <DigiKill> just ive never used it w. Mac hardware
[04:40] <tomchuk> DigiKill: should be fine, you'll have to do some reading on configuring Xinerama
[04:41] <DigiKill> bpd1069: what ati card you using?
[04:41] <DigiKill> xinerama?
[04:41] <bpd1069> discount bin : PCI 93200SE 128mb
[04:41] <billytwowilly> ick
[04:41] <bpd1069> oops 9200SE
[04:41] <billytwowilly> ati=poo
[04:41] <billytwowilly> nvidia=good on linux
[04:41] <bpd1069> my budget is configured for poo
[04:42] <billytwowilly> heh
[04:42] <tomchuk> ati = good on linux with ope source driver
[04:42] <billytwowilly> well, on the windows side ati is currently destroying nvidia in the highend and medium end.
[04:42] <DigiKill> ahh...yeah...last good ati card for linux i knew was around the Ati radeon 7k...
[04:42] <tomchuk> well, decent on linux
[04:42] <DigiKill> at least that ive used
[04:43] <bpd1069> well PCI ati cards are horrible.. low memory bandwidth... thats all I can say, can't get over 250fps with glxgears  :(
[04:43] <DigiKill> yeah...this is a pci ATI card in here
[04:43] <DigiKill> anyone have issues w. SCSI Cards at all?
[04:43] <tomchuk> it'll work fine, just don't expect miracles regarding 3D
[04:44] <bpd1069> word of advice...  I commented out the dbe module for XF and it improved performance 2 fold...
[04:46] <farruinn> ah, fresh installation
[04:47] <DigiKill> what else other than Gnome is default installed for a Window Manager?
[04:47] <DigiKill> icewm i'd guess
[04:47] <farruinn> nothing =)
[04:47] <farruinn> it's only one cd though
[04:47] <DigiKill> nothin?
[04:48] <farruinn> you can install anything (but kde) easily using apt
[04:48] <DigiKill> yeah....
[04:48] <billytwowilly> woot. gnome menus update installing now.
[04:48] <DigiKill> ive moved away from kde...
[04:48] <farruinn> it's all available on the repositories, but by default just gnome
[04:48] <billytwowilly> Does this mean we're back to good menus?
[04:48] <DigiKill> i like xfce at the moment
[04:48] <farruinn> heh, I was just going to ask you that =)
[04:49] <farruinn> DigiKill: yeah, just install it with apt once you're in
[04:49] <DigiKill> well its the only window manager i can really use since my OSX install's fubar'd
[04:49] <DigiKill> actually i have xfce running w. Fluxbox as the actual 'window manager'
[04:50] <DigiKill> on top of the OSX Gui..<quartz-wm
[04:50] <DigiKill> its rather interesting having 3 toolbars
[04:51] <bpd1069> since my hardware is a bit dated sticking with wmaker for now...
[04:51] <farruinn> I prefer fluxbox or afterstep actually over wmaker
[04:51] <DigiKill> bpd1069: i'd guess you are on pc architecture
[04:52] <farruinn> bpd1069: how old is your machine?
[04:52] <bpd1069> was my first wmanager from waaaaaaay back.. so i have a soft spot for it..
[04:52] <DigiKill> i really like the *box's
[04:52] <DigiKill> open/black/flux
[04:52] <bpd1069> yes...  wish i had an mac to play with
[04:52] <DigiKill> enlightenment is fun too...
[04:52] <DigiKill> a bit unstable....
[04:52] <bpd1069> farruinn : celeron 466...
[04:52] <DigiKill> but isnt that the point ;)
[04:53] <DigiKill> bpd1069: if you wanna pick up a cheap mac check out Retrobox.com
[04:53] <DigiKill> if you are in the US
[04:53] <DigiKill> they have all sorts of cheap stuff there
[04:53] <DigiKill> quad sparc cpu servers for like 300$
[04:53] <DigiKill> crazy stuff...
[04:53] <bpd1069> DigiKill thanks for the info.. will keep my eye open... I have an old PowerComputing box somewhere in my closet...  hehe  maybe I should revive it
[04:54] <DigiKill> put debian on it for ppc ;)
[04:54] <alakdan> hello, im trying to install zopex3-sandbox, it seems there are broken dependencies, since it looks for zope3-lib when the package is zopex3-lib , and the zopex3-lib suggests installing zope3-sandbox
[04:54] <DigiKill> since i know that'll run on even the oldest of boxes
[04:54] <alakdan> how do I get around this?
[04:54] <DigiKill> i have a buddy runnin it on a 99mhz box
[04:54] <bpd1069> DigiKill damn good Idea... can use it as a headless server for DNS/www/etc..
[04:55] <DigiKill> good idea
[04:55] <DigiKill> or else put a nice Router Distro on there...
[04:55] <DigiKill> devil linux or ipcop
[04:55] <bpd1069> DigiKill : just remembered, its in the trunk of my car.. think I'll see if it still powers up...
[04:55] <bpd1069> brb
[04:55] <bpd1069> ehhe
[04:55] <DigiKill> hahaa
[04:55] <DigiKill> kk
[04:57] <farruinn> hey, it's a ppc party!
[04:57] <farruinn> pugio, how goes it?
[04:57] <DigiKill> i love my ppc's
[04:57] <DigiKill> tho its hard to not like Dual CPUs
[04:58] <billytwowilly> bah.
[04:58] <DigiKill> same here billytwowilly
[04:58] <DigiKill> those loook like FUN
[04:58] <billytwowilly> how about dual cpu dual core processors?
[04:58] <billytwowilly> BOO YAH!
[04:58] <billytwowilly> ;)
[04:59] <DigiKill> or a nice quad cpu setup ;)
[04:59] <billytwowilly> Heh. same shizizzle, different pizzizzle;)
[05:00] <|QuaD|> i have a somewhat off topic question... i have a password, and it enrypted... how can i figure out the encryption scheme?
[05:00] <billytwowilly> heh.
[05:00] <unperson> Anyone willing to field a question about sed?
[05:00] <K-otiK> is there a way in debian to copy a DVD onto your hd? or an iso image of an OS?
[05:00] <DigiKill> yes K-otiK
[05:00] <tomchuk> unperson: I can try
[05:00] <DigiKill> there is
[05:00] <geppy> Are there any rippers that let you make use of more of the CDDB than grip does?
[05:00] <K-otiK> what prog do i use Digikill?
[05:01] <DigiKill> wait...my bad
[05:01] <billytwowilly> |QuaD|, http://www.phrack.org/
[05:01] <DigiKill> i read that wrong
[05:01] <DigiKill> was thinkin you wanted ot install debian from hdd
[05:01] <DigiKill> my bad..
[05:01] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: thanks
[05:01] <|QuaD|> billytwowilly: do you knwo where on that to look?
[05:01] <geppy> K-otiK: transcode?
[05:01] <K-otiK> bah, so you wouldnt' know? im interested in putting OS's for download on my ftp server anyone know how to copy ISO's to your hd?
[05:01] <RuffianSoldier> OSOO REFRRESHING
[05:01] <geppy> K-otiK: oh
[05:02] <K-otiK> ill google it
[05:02] <geppy> K-otiK: dd if=/dev/hdx of=changeme.iso
[05:02] <billytwowilly> |QuaD|, no idea, that's just all sorts of hacking goodness
[05:02] <billytwowilly> search google, I bet there is a really good brute force password breaker that will tell you.
[05:02] <K-otiK> hackers are the devil
[05:02] <bpd1069> omg this thing is ancient...
[05:03] <unperson> I want to use sed to edit a file and replace it with the edited version.  I tried sed -e [script]  file > file, but the file ends up blank.  How do I do this correctly?
[05:03] <DigiKill> haha bpd1069
[05:03] <K-otiK> |Quad|
[05:03] <K-otiK> whats the password from?
[05:03] <bpd1069> PowerCenter 132...  I think it has an XLR8R in it though at 233 or so
[05:03] <unperson> Clearly I could do sed -e [script]  file > temp; mv temp file.  Is that the best choice?
[05:03] <K-otiK> pm me i might be able to help
[05:04] <pridkett> does openoffice ship with the PyUno (python scripting module)?  It doesn't seem like it does, even though OO.o says that its part of the default install
[05:04] <DigiKill> mac clone i'd guess?
[05:04] <geppy> pridkett:  The Ubuntu install is _not_ the default install.
[05:04] <bpd1069> DigiKill : yes...  my MacII is officially dead  : )
[05:05] <lek> a dead mac is a good mac
[05:05] <regeya> ha.  ha.  ha.
[05:05] <pridkett> geppy: I'm aware of that.  I'm wondering if anyone knows where I could find pyUno then.
[05:05] <regeya> lek: *everything* sucks.
[05:05] <geppy> pridkett:  What's the package name?
[05:06] <lek> regeya, clearly
[05:06] <geppy> pridkett: You could try apt-cache searching for oo.o packages.
[05:06] <pridkett> geppy: I'm not sure of the package name, I've been doing some searches and I can't seem to find that intuitively makes sense for it
[05:07] <geppy> pridkett:  I don't know what to say.  Google?
[05:07] <pridkett> yeah, google let me down.  That's why I figued I'd try the lazyweb.
[05:07] <merovigiam> hello ! :D
[05:07] <bpd1069> gonna steal this monitor and see if it actaully posts
[05:08] <DigiKill> im just hopin Ubuntu will like my dual monitors...
[05:08] <merovigiam> the ubuntu have xorg ?
[05:08] <merovigiam> default
[05:08] <lek> meroigiam, hoary does
[05:08] <lek> merovigiam*
[05:09] <merovigiam> my inglish is very bad :(
[05:09] <tomchuk> is anyone's English good on IRC???
[05:09] <billytwowilly> me speaky goood engrish
[05:09] <Agrajag> tomchuk: yes, of course.
[05:10] <regeya> oh dear god.
[05:10] <lek> mother of god
[05:10] <billytwowilly> I also butcher french and german;)
[05:10] <merovigiam> the ubuntu have xfree86  4.3 default !?
[05:10] <Rene_S> and I like to gas people who seem to thinks its ok to butcher Germans
[05:11] <Agrajag> merovigiam: yes
[05:11] <lek> whats wrong with butchering germans
[05:11] <merovigiam> humm, good :)
[05:11] <Agrajag> merovigiam: the next release will use xorg
[05:11] <billytwowilly> lek, depends when you decide to do it...
[05:11] <lek> now
[05:11] <billytwowilly> lek, ie now would be bad, 1942, not so much.
[05:12] <DigiKill> dont butcher the germans.....they use linux
[05:12] <lek> lunixxx
[05:12] <billytwowilly> That's true. They are also have a remarkably low level of retards in their population... I wonder why that could be...
[05:12] <Rene_S> Well I got a easy bake oven for my first birthday, It sat 10
[05:13] <billytwowilly> ***cough** Hitler **cough**
[05:13] <tuppa> anyone here using hoary?
[05:13] <lek> of course tuppa
[05:14] <Rene_S> any how lets discuss something more interesting, like Aliens and why the Americans are lying to protect them
[05:14] <billytwowilly> it's nice
[05:14] <lek> i'm a alien
[05:14] <tuppa> lek:  found the main GNOME menu is, well, back as how GNOME originally was?
[05:14] <billytwowilly> because americans are dumb and can't handle the truth. It would conflict too much with their religion.
[05:14] <merovigiam> Ubuntu Linux 4.10 --> server graphics Xorg Correct ?
[05:14] <geppy> billytwowilly:  Oh, right... the American Religion.
[05:15] <Rene_S> Ok Capitalism and War are not really religions.
[05:15] <billytwowilly> geppy, evangelical christians
[05:15] <geppy> billytwowilly:  Not all Americans are evangelical christians.
[05:15] <Agrajag> merovigiam: no
[05:16] <billytwowilly> geppy, I realize that. it's called over generalizations;)
[05:16] <Agrajag> 4.10 is Warty, the current version.
[05:16] <Agrajag> Warty uses Xfree86
[05:16] <natex> billytwowilly, only the ones in the Red States
[05:16] <billytwowilly> aka jesusland
[05:16] <geppy> natex:  hahaha
[05:16] <natex> yah
[05:16] <merovigiam> ok
[05:16] <merovigiam> tanks
[05:16] <merovigiam> :D
[05:16] <regeya> there's very little difference between X.Org and Xfree86 yet; most the changes in the former are code cleanup.  I wouldn't worry about it.
[05:16] <regeya> and I'm in a blue state and surrounded with evangelical christians.
[05:17] <regeya> or at least they think they're christians.
[05:17] <Agrajag> I dunno, I kind of got used to compose and damage for the month or so I used xorg in gentoo
[05:17] <Agrajag> only a few months till hoary though
[05:17] <regeya> you got that to work in gentoo, eh?
[05:17] <Agrajag> yeah, worked great
[05:17] <regeya> hell, I had trouble getting xkb working in gentoo. ;-D
[05:17] <geppy> anyone know of any _good_ rippers out there that aren't grip, and aren't cli?
[05:17] <regeya> um.
[05:17] <mbp__> geppy: abcde
[05:17] <mbp__> it's great
[05:17] <regeya> what's wrong with grip, eh?  just curious...
[05:18] <DigiKill> ripit.pl
[05:18] <regeya> abcde is great
[05:18] <Agrajag> I didn't bother using xcompmgr for any shadows effects though, they caused too much crap, I just used it to enable damage
[05:18] <mbp__> i run it under screen, so i can log out
[05:18] <DigiKill> ive heard that works nice
[05:18] <geppy> mbp__:  _not cli_?
[05:18] <mbp__> oh
[05:18] <mbp__> nevermind,
[05:18] <regeya> kaudiocreator
[05:18] <mbp__> it's barely cli, you don't need to specify anything
[05:18] <geppy> regeya:  Grip doesn't let you use any other CDDB info
[05:19] <regeya> what other cddb info?
[05:19] <regeya> it's hard to recommend a tool when we don't know what you're looking for :-D
[05:19] <kirt> Ok, i just updated my system in hoary and my menus are back (thank you), but now in my Places menu I have entries for folders that don't exist.. I assume these came from the filechooser's favourites.. does anyone know how to clear it?
[05:19] <regeya> and if it's possible that you just missed a feature in grip, and I know about it, I could recommend doing that.  *shrug*
[05:20] <bpd1069> hmmm... well that didn't work...
[05:20] <geppy> regeya:  http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:k0z6wS4PFlYJ:www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html+vorbis+comments&hl=en&start=1&client=firefox
[05:21] <bpd1069> is there anyway to make a ubuntu install disk (floppy) and telnet into that thing to install? (yes I know just grasping at straws
[05:21] <bborkk> Anyone have any experience using the Casio Exilim line of digital cameras with Ubuntu?  Is the cradle necessary, or can everything be done using only a USB cable?
[05:21] <regeya> geppy: um, that's the proposed ogg vorbis comment spec.  what's that got to do with cddb?
[05:21] <wasabi> What's a linux command that is equivilent to netstat on FBSD? Netstat -aw1 specifically. It prints the number of packets and bytes that pass the network interfaces once a second.
[05:22] <bpd1069> wasabi  : i know the -c makes the updating continuous /per sec
[05:22] <geppy> regeya:  Eh, sorry;  I should've linked to the CDDB pages.  But there are CDDB counterparts for all of those fields, and I'd like to utilize all of them.
[05:23] <regeya> geppy: you have a client that displays an isrc number?
[05:23] <regeya> neato.
[05:24] <mbp__> wasabi: maybe 'watch ifconfig'? not an exact match.
[05:24] <geppy> regeya:  No, but I'm looking into getting all of the information in _now_ so that I don't have to change anything once I've ripped my CD collection.
[05:24] <regeya> does freedb really give isrc, version, etc. numbers?  I feel lucky if tracks have the correct trackname, artist, track number, and genre.
[05:24] <geppy> regeya:  I've already ripped it once in ogg, and now, I'm going back for flac.
[05:25] <geppy> regeya:  Hmm...  They should have called it ubhuti
[05:34] <billytwowilly> that would have been awesome.
[05:34] <regeya> BLOOTBLOT
[05:34] <regeya> ubhuti: no, regeya is a hopeless raving idiot.
[05:34] <ubhuti> regeya: okay
[05:35] <regeya> we've gotten that out of the way...
[05:35] <bpd1069> nmap has an obscene number of options...  any decent GUI front ends for this monster?
[05:35] <regeya> ubhuti, regeya?
[05:35] <ubhuti> regeya: Wish i knew
[05:35] <billytwowilly> fenmap
[05:35] <regeya> GAH!
[05:35] <billytwowilly> err.
[05:35] <billytwowilly> nmapfe
[05:35] <bpd1069> billytwowilly thanks
[05:35] <bpd1069> er.. ok that too!
[05:36] <khad> I still can't figure out how to boot into my FC3 installation
[05:36] <khad> Argh...
[05:36] <khad> Maybe I should find an FC3 channel
[05:36] <DigiKill> wasabi: i had a friend try netstat -aw1  on Slackware....it worked fine for him on there
[05:37] <wasabi> netstat: invalid option -- 1
[05:37] <DigiKill> hmm....
[05:38] <DigiKill> could always check your manpages on netstat
[05:38] <wasabi> did. i don't see anything similar
[05:38] <DigiKill> i cant check...i have bsd based netstat
[05:40] <GotD0t> i need an app that will be able to read encrypted DVD's and save a decrypted image file on the hard disk
[05:40] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformats
[05:40] <ubhuti> Since there are some legal restrictions on what Ubuntu can freely release, some software my need to be aquired elsewhere.  See http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats to find out how you can get this non-free software.
[05:40] <GotD0t> hehe
[05:41] <GotD0t> ubhuti: ubhuti
[05:41] <ubhuti> Hello, I'm Ubhuti, a simple blootbot.  :D
[05:44] <farruinn> oh sure
[05:44] <farruinn> didn't know about that channel
[05:44] <zenwhen> Im getting the word out
[05:47] <GotD0t> farruinn: you're right, his db is borked
[05:47] <farruinn> yeah, I think it's a permissions thing
[05:47] <farruinn> I'm looking into it
[05:47] <farruinn> don't say borked though - I don't think it's that bad!
[05:49] <DigiKill> GotD0t: DVD Ripping : http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/
[05:49] <DigiKill> check that out
[05:49] <GotD0t> farruinn: well it doesnt work as of know, therefore db = borked
[05:49] <GotD0t> thankd DigiKill
[05:49] <DigiKill> its lookin complicated...
[05:49] <DigiKill> mplayer and a bunch of other stuff needed
[05:50] <GotD0t> all i need is the dvd iso unencrypted... i have other uses for the iso
[05:52] <wasabi> What's that program I run to set the hostname and such?
[05:52] <Gmail> !ping
[05:52] <Gmail> please
[05:53] <Gmail> i need to see if i am still connected
[05:53] <crimsun> you are
[05:53] <natex> lol
[05:53] <GotD0t> wtf?
[05:53] <Gmail> good
[05:53] <Gmail> well there is no pppd running
[05:53] <Gmail> very strange
[05:54] <alakdan> wasabi: ifconfig will list the number of tx rx packets
[05:54] <Gmail> and i can't ping anything
[05:54] <wasabi> alakdan, duh.
[05:54] <wasabi> alakdan, i asked my question the way I did for a reason.
[05:54] <Gmail> well ifconfig show its there
[06:05] <DigiKill> wasabi: what exactly are you lookin for ?  printout to printer? or just updated all the time?
[06:05] <wasabi> exactly what netstat -aw1 does. It prints out the bytecount once a second since the last printout.
[06:08] <GotD0t> does anybody know off an app that will make a dvd iso from a properly structured directory?
[06:08] <DigiKill> wasabi: netstat -ac
[06:08] <Rene_S> Connection reset by peer ?  Who's that peer guy and why is he reseting connections ?
[06:09] <GotD0t> Rene_S: good question
[06:09] <geppy> GotD0t:  ISO is a standard;  you don't need to make a "dvd iso"
[06:09] <wasabi> DigiKill, that isn't anything near it.
[06:09] <geppy> GotD0t: mkisofs
[06:09] <crimsun> wasabi: -aw1 doesn't even work here
[06:09] <GotD0t> geppy: hmm, ok
[06:09] <wasabi> I KNOW
[06:09] <wasabi> is anybodyr eading my question? heh.
[06:10] <DigiKill> im watching netstat -aw1 right now
[06:10] <crimsun> wasabi: why not use watch(1) and `netstat -a --statistics'?
[06:10] <DigiKill> i'd use bmon for that instead
[06:10] <wasabi> crimsun, because that command is Really Long
[06:11] <wasabi> and doesn't show a packet count
[06:11] <crimsun> then use -n
[06:16] <farruinn> yay, ubhuti's well again
[06:17] <DigiKill> wasabi: bmon shows packets updated every second  on both rx/tx sides
[06:17] <DigiKill> only thing i can think of w.out havin a linux box in front of me
[06:17] <DigiKill> the netstat -aw1 is nice tho.
[06:18] <GotD0t> ubhuti: gotd0t
[06:18] <ubhuti> [gotd0t]  the coolest
[06:18] <davide> hello, i got this problem with eth1. for some reason linux started seeing my eht1 as eth2. now my wireless connection doesn't work. if i start cardmgr it just makes me wait forever. does anybody knows what i can do? i tried to go in recovery mode but if i use cardmgr there it tells me that i have no pcmcia entry in /proc/devices.
[06:19] <GotD0t> hehe
[06:21] <DigiKill> no clue davide : ive yet to toy w. Linux and WiFi
[06:21] <farruinn> davide, you might take a look at the ubuntu-users mailing list archive
[06:21] <farruinn> there was a thread on wireless+ubuntu not long ago
[06:21] <farruinn> I didn't follow it though :/
[06:21] <wasabi> i'm having trouble with postfix. I am using the mail command to send me mail.
[06:22] <wasabi> But it is trying to send to hostname.domainname.domainname.
[06:22] <wasabi> And saying bad delivery
[06:22] <omalley> davide: what does iwconfig tell you?
[06:23] <Triple5> Anyone here using a slow pc
[06:23] <|QuaD|> Triple5: me
[06:23] <Triple5> |QuaD|, wat u running
[06:23] <davide> iwconfig sees my card as eht2 but the light on the card goes up and down
[06:23] <|QuaD|> p 2.6Ghz
[06:23] <|QuaD|> *p4
[06:23] <Triple5> please
[06:23] <Triple5> that aint slow
[06:23] <Triple5> Something like this instead
[06:24] <Triple5> Gateway Desktop Flex Case
[06:24] <Triple5> Celeron 635mhz 256mb sdram 20gb hd western digital 5400rpmDriver: i810 (intel)
[06:24] <Triple5> Card: 82810E CD-133 CGC (Chipset Graphics Controller)
[06:24] <|QuaD|> i think mine is slow, i want a new
[06:24] <|QuaD|> wow that is slow
[06:24] <Triple5> yes it is
[06:25] <Triple5> its so slow Ubuntu can't run there
[06:25] <Triple5> but then Progeny Debian flies
[06:25] <|QuaD|> really?
[06:25] <wasabi> Im using a 400mhz and it's fine.
[06:25] <Triple5> Yea Ubuntu runs too slow there
[06:25] <Triple5> I dont know why
[06:25] <wasabi> graphics problem?
[06:25] <Triple5> BeatrIX (alternative of Ubuntu) its great
[06:25] <Triple5> wasabi, yup
[06:25] <Triple5> Slow
[06:25] <wasabi> switch to vesa and see if it changes.
[06:25] <Triple5> hmm
[06:25] <Triple5> should try
[06:26] <Triple5> but probably its already in Vesa?
[06:26] <wasabi> no clue.
[06:27] <omalley> davide: on my old fedora 2 box, i had to reload yenta-socket module
[06:27] <tritium> Hmm...my panel is completely empty.
[06:27] <Triple5> wasabi, you running hoary or warty
[06:27] <tritium> Is there a current bug affecting the panel that makes the menus/applets/etc disapper?
[06:28] <tritium> disappear?
[06:28] <davide> omalley: how would i do?
[06:28] <crimsun> tritium: hoary?
[06:28] <tritium> crimsun, yes.
[06:28] <crimsun> tritium: the affected packages were updated today
[06:28] <omalley> davide: do a lsmod, see if yenta_socket shows up
[06:28] <wasabi> Triple5, warty
[06:28] <Triple5> check to see if you're on vesa :-p
[06:28] <tritium> crimsun, I just did an update/upgrade.  Nothing new now.
[06:29] <crimsun> 2.9.2cvs041212-0ubuntu3?
[06:29] <tritium> crimsun, Yeah, installed.
[06:30] <tritium> Is that what's causing the breakage?
[06:30] <crimsun> possibly, though it's supposed to _correct_ it
[06:31] <tritium> crimsun, definitely not the effect for me...
[06:31] <crimsun> I can't log out and choose a gnome session for another 20 mins
[06:31] <tritium> Why's that?
[06:31] <crimsun> waiting for a transfer to complete
[06:32] <tritium> That's odd that these packages are supposed to fix a problem that I didn't have until I installed them.
[06:32] <crimsun> were you using warty before, or...?
[06:32] <tritium> Yes, warty.
[06:32] <crimsun> that's why.
[06:32] <crimsun> The menu layout has changed for current Hoary
[06:33] <crimsun> (and Hoary is quite in flux currently wrt menus)
[06:33] <amathis> anyone here good with ssh / sftp?
[06:33] <tritium> I had some problems earlier in the week, then it was fixed.
[06:33] <amathis> how can I throttle my download to 100k?
[06:33] <tritium> I just checked /var/cache/apt/archives to be sure.  Those packages were just installed today.
[06:33] <crimsun> tritium: `gnome-menus' installed?
[06:33] <tritium> They have to be the cause.
[06:34] <tritium> crimsun, yep
[06:34] <crimsun> tritium: the packages have been "broken" for a few days
[06:34] <crimsun> tritium: like I said, Hoary is in development; one should expect things to break every so often
[06:34] <tritium> Yes...I know.  Too bad they don't have apt-listbugs working with bugzilla.
[06:35] <tritium> I usually avoided this kind of problem in Debian with apt-listbugs.
[06:35] <crimsun> I normally peruse ubuntu-users to see if there are any glaring problems, then I check in here
[06:36] <crimsun> only then do I allow apt-get to actually upgrade the hoary packages, since my system is pinned to sid+experimental
[06:37] <tritium> Well, thank goodness I had saved my session with some gnome-terminals.  They're all I've got.
[06:37] <crimsun> well, there's always the tried-and-true method of `app&' in a gnome-terminal
[06:38] <tritium> right
[06:39] <davide> hello, i am tring to reload yenta socket , how can i do?
[06:40] <tritium> crimsun, well, thanks.  I'm going to get going.
[06:40] <crimsun> np, g'luck
[06:40] <tritium> thanks.  take care.  bye
[06:40] <K-otiK> does anyone know how to copy DVD's onto your hd?
[06:41] <DigiKill> wb bpd1069
[06:41] <bpd1069> DigiKill : hey finally confirmed the Mac still works...  took a bit of time to get it to warm up..
[06:41] <DigiKill> nice bpd1069 : now to just rip out os9 and put a real distro on there ;)
[06:42] <bpd1069> DigiKill : don't have a adb mouse keyboard though.. so I might be able to install via the nic
[06:42] <pepsi_busy> how do i get my flash drive to work in hoary?
[06:42] <bpd1069> DigiKill : turns out it was 8.6
[06:42] <DigiKill> lan install should be fairly easy if you can get into cfdisk the drive
[06:42] <amathis> how can I throttle download speed in sftp??
[06:42] <DigiKill> lol...even more reason to cfdisk
[06:43] <DigiKill> sftp?  not sure....gftp has an option in it i know
[06:43] <bpd1069> DigiKill well first time even attempting something like that... the CDROM is missing...
[06:44] <tritium> crimsun, 1 reboot did not fix anything, but a second did.  I have new menus now.  Strange.
[06:44] <tritium> Anyway, bye again.
[06:44] <K-otiK> does anyone know how to copy DVD's onto your hd?
[06:45] <GotD0t> K-otiK: explain more of what you want to do
[06:45] <K-otiK> im starting an ftp server, i want to have DVD's like movies on their. but i dont 'know how to copy one to my harddrive
[06:46] <GotD0t> K-otiK: it depends how you want people to use the DVD's... for burning would be one way, for watching would be another
[06:46] <wasabi> Is there a way to set a per-user timezone? :)
[06:47] <DigiKill> bpd1069: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install     should have all the info ya need for a LAN install
[06:47] <K-otiK> i want them to be able to burn them and to play them
[06:47] <bpd1069> thanks...
[06:47] <DigiKill> thats the only ppc distro ive seen w. lan install :S
[06:47] <mercurus> K-otiK: apt-cache search dvd
[06:47] <mercurus> (with universe enabled)
[06:48] <GotD0t> K-otiK: ok, now heres the kicker... im assuming the movies are encrypted... as in store bought?
[06:49] <GotD0t> K-otiK: ?
[06:49] <K-otiK> yea, totem wont play them
[06:49] <DigiKill> yeah...i like debian alot.
[06:50] <K-otiK> is that a problem?
[06:50] <DigiKill> Slackware tho, i do like that....and if they had made a better "Slackintosh" i woulda tried it
[06:50] <GotD0t> K-otiK: does bring up an extra layer of processing... but not anything you cant work around
[06:50] <Se7h> daammm
[06:51] <pepsi_busy> how can i mount my usb flash drive?
[06:51] <GotD0t> K-otiK: check out ubhuti restrictedformats
[06:51] <Se7h> just watched a movie...
[06:51] <GotD0t> err
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restricted formats
[06:51] <ubhuti> GotD0t: I don't know
[06:51] <Se7h> man i crap my self
[06:51] <Se7h> lol
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformats
[06:51] <ubhuti> GotD0t: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: restrictedformat
[06:51] <ubhuti> Wish i knew, GotD0t
[06:51] <GotD0t> damn... his memory got killed
[06:51] <GotD0t> farruinn: his db is gone...
[06:51] <GotD0t> ubhuti: gotd0t
[06:51] <ubhuti> extra, extra, read all about it, gotd0t is the coolest
[06:51] <GotD0t> thats still there
[06:51] <GotD0t> hehe
[06:51] <farruinn> I know =(
[06:51] <farruinn> but at least we can add to him now
[06:52] <GotD0t> farruinn: true...
[06:52] <farruinn> there really wasn't that much to begin with
[06:52] <GotD0t> farruinn: there was restricted formats
[06:52] <GotD0t> K-otiK: im assuming you run warty?
[06:52] <farruinn> I need to go to bed now, but if you'd like to fill his little mind with tons of useful stuff be my guest =)
[06:52] <farruinn> I'll put the restrictedformats one back in
[06:52] <alakdan> how do I force install a package using dpkg or apt-get?
[06:52] <khadyoung> Well, I can't boot FC3
[06:53] <khadyoung> Does Ubuntu not support ext3?
[06:53] <gfg> it supports ext3
[06:53] <GotD0t> khadyoung: sure it does... im sure most people in here run ext3
[06:53] <GotD0t> khadyoung: i have 5 or so partitions with ext3
[06:53] <alakdan> khadyoung: what are you trying to do?
[06:54] <khadyoung> I can't boot into my FC3 install
[06:54] <munkee> alakdan: man dpkg. specifically the -i and --force-<blah> stuff
[06:54] <GotD0t> khadyoung: thats not an ubuntu problem... thats a grub problem
[06:54] <khadyoung> I can't even mount the FC3 partition in Ubuntu, though?
[06:54] <GotD0t> khadyoung: what happens when you try to mount it?
[06:55] <khadyoung> GotD0t, something about filesystem error
[06:55] <khadyoung> GotD0t, that's why I asked about ext3
[06:55] <GotD0t> khadyoung: please supply the exact error
[06:56] <dreamer> can anyone give me a hand for a sec? I can't seem to connect to freenode from my own box with irssi, but I can from a shell. Is there something I need to set up, like identd?
[06:56] <khadyoung> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb2,
[06:56] <khadyoung>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:57] <GotD0t> khadyoung: what mount options are you using
[06:57] <DigiKill> dreamer: not that i know of...i dont have identd going
[06:57] <dreamer> hrmm
[06:57] <DigiKill> tho im here in xchat
[06:57] <khadyoung> GotD0t, mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb2 /mnt/fedora
[06:58] <GotD0t> khadyoung: does /mnt/fedora exist?
[06:58] <khadyoung> GotD0t, Yep
[06:59] <GotD0t> khadyoung: are you sure of two things... is it located on /dev/hdb and is it actuallyn an ext3 fs?
[06:59] <khadyoung> GotD0t, I am pretty sure I resized /dev/hdb2 to make room for hdb3 when I installed Ubuntu. Could the Ubuntu installer have messed up the partition when it resized it?
[06:59] <mercurus> khadyoung: is there a valid filesystem on the partition since it was resized \ altered ?
[07:00] <khadyoung> mercurus, It doesn't seem like it now. I thought that the Ubuntu installer could do nondestructive resizing. Does it not?
[07:00] <GotD0t> :/
[07:01] <mercurus> khadyoung: I believe it is destructive ... but I'm no authority on the point
[07:01] <mercurus> it is standard fdisk, is it not ?
[07:01] <khadyoung> mercurus, Then that explains everything. And it sure looks like that's the case
[07:01] <khadyoung> There should be a warning or something... (Then again, maybe there was.)
[07:02] <khadyoung> I didn't have anything on it worth keeping so it's not that big of a deal
[07:02] <khadyoung> I guess I can just reinstall FC3
[07:02] <DigiKill> ubuntu uses grub?   is that what i saw?
[07:02] <khadyoung> DigiKill, Yes
[07:03] <DigiKill> dammit.....i like lilo better...hehe
[07:03] <DigiKill> wonder if ubuntu will install onto a 2nd partition
[07:04] <DigiKill> gonna try for a dualboot i think...
[07:09] <mercurus> DigiKill: Ubuntu will, most happily, install to any partition or partitions you so desire
[07:09] <DigiKill> i hope so....im trying to save my osx install....
[07:11] <DigiKill> wtf....someone made a FightClub Video game
[07:11] <DigiKill> thats hilarious
[07:11] <GotD0t> how can i write a UDF filesystem?
[07:12] <DigiKill> write to a udf system?
[07:12] <GotD0t> no... make an image file of a UDF filesystem
[07:13] <GotD0t> something like mkisofs... but for the UDF filesystem (not ISO9660)
[07:13] <DigiKill> hmm.....
[07:14] <GotD0t> ah... i gotta sleep
[07:14] <DigiKill> UDF Tools
[07:14] <GotD0t> thanks
[07:14] <GotD0t> ill look into that tomorrow
[07:14] <DigiKill> makeudfimage
[07:14] <DigiKill> nite GotD0t ...sleep well
[07:15] <GotD0t> thanks DigiKill
[07:15] <DigiKill> no prob.  Linux google is a good friend ;)
[07:26] <bpd1069> DigiKill : welp after research, it looks like it is possible to install on this Mac'n'Stien... but it would require a bit more effort than I am willing to give...
[07:27] <bpd1069> goes in the closet!
[07:27] <DigiKill> hahaa
[07:27] <DigiKill> i can understand that
[07:27] <bpd1069> not having a CDROM/keyboard/mouse makes it hard
[07:27] <DigiKill> no cd drive eh.....
[07:27] <bpd1069> right
[07:27] <DigiKill> yeah...that'd be difficult
[07:29] <bpd1069> has the old buggy 1.0.5 Openfirmware...
[07:29] <bpd1069> sooooo too much hassle for now
[07:29] <DigiKill> yeah....at 1am it'd be for me too
[07:29] <DigiKill> too much hassle
[07:29] <bpd1069> night
[07:29] <bpd1069> hehe
[07:30] <DigiKill> thats a early morning , bored outta ya mind kinda install
[07:30] <DigiKill> early morning meaning before 3pm ;)
[07:30] <bpd1069> well yes, but i need more machines in this place...  kinda boring not being able to ssh into something
[07:31] <DigiKill> i know what ya mean
[07:31] <bpd1069> haha
[07:31] <DigiKill> hahahaa
[07:32] <bpd1069> oh well... off to bed...  thanks for the help Digi
[07:32] <DigiKill> no prob bpd1069 : have a good nit
[07:36] <neoxed> any one know where i can get some awsome wall paper?
[07:36] <crimsun> themes.org
[07:36] <ctd> google? your local digital camera? :)
[07:36] <ctd> Depends what you like.
[07:36] <crimsun> http://www.themedepot.org/
[07:37] <crimsun> and yeah, it depends
[07:37] <neoxed> i want crazy wired wallpaper
[07:38] <Gmail> ubuntu-art.org
[07:38] <Gmail> gnome-look.org
[07:38] <Gmail> art.gnome.com
[07:40] <amathis> Girls don't seem to like it when you ask them if you can suck their blood as a sign of affection.
[07:41] <zenwhen> ...
[07:41] <amathis> whoops.
[07:41] <Gmail> i vote amathis should be banned if ever says rated R stuff again
[07:41] <amathis> wrong window.
[07:41] <Gmail> sure like we all belive you
[07:41] <amathis> =[
[07:41] <Gmail> amathis: where is the "right" window?
[07:41] <amathis> Gmail: #noodlebot
[07:42] <Treenaks> Gmail: stfu
[07:43] <Gmail> Treenaks: lol
[07:44] <Gmail> OMG
[07:44] <Gmail> look at this gdm bug
[07:45] <HcE> *drums*
[07:45] <billytwowilly> so, has totem/gstreamer ever actually worked for anyone? I decided to fire it up again and see if it was still broken (haven't used it since warty install, now on latest hoary) and it is still broken..
[07:45] <Treenaks> billytwowilly: yes
[07:45] <billytwowilly> I get audio, but no video
[07:46] <Treenaks> billytwowilly: only on ogg/theora movies though
[07:46] <billytwowilly> heh.
[07:46] <billytwowilly> so divx/mp3 just doesn't work?
[07:47] <billytwowilly> so it's not just something screwy with my system then? avi files aren't supposed to play?
[07:47] <zenwhen> get totem-xine and the w32codecs
[07:47] <billytwowilly> that's dirty.
[07:47] <zenwhen> dirty?
[07:48] <billytwowilly> dirty as in hackish.
[07:48] <zenwhen> if it works, why does it matter.
[07:48] <Agrajag> hackish?
[07:48] <zenwhen> ?
[07:48] <Agrajag> and mplayer isn't?
[07:48] <creeperz> Who here hates Gmail because he belongs in #pussy-whiners?
[07:48] <Rene_S> ?
[07:48] <zenwhen> risc is going to change everything
[07:48] <Agrajag> haha
[07:48] <billytwowilly> mplayer is, but mplayer is way faster than xine.
[07:48] <Rene_S> Man this place is degenerating
[07:48] <zenwhen> creeperz, you said it, not me.
[07:48] <Gmail> creeperz: hey i don't have any player installed
[07:48] <Treenaks> Rene_S: the mods are all in one timezon, that's the problem
[07:48] <billytwowilly> so I'll take hackish and fast over slightly less hackish and slower;)
[07:49] <Treenaks> Rene_S: once they wake up gmail will be banned again
[07:49] <Agrajag> but you don't get the nice GNOME gui
[07:49] <Gmail> i don't watch "illegal" movies
[07:49] <creeperz> Gmail: so... uh... why is my favorite channel not allowed on the network?
[07:49] <Gmail> Treenaks: why will i be banned?
[07:49] <creeperz> and why do you need op in it to see your imaginary rulebook?
[07:49] <zenwhen> he came into #ubuntuforums earlier just to say he didnt want t be there
[07:49] <NetSurfAU> G'day, Have just tried three times to install Ubuntu and each time after reboot I keep getting Error 18 when "Grub stage1.5 starts loading.  Ideas
[07:50] <Treenaks> Gmail: yeah.. why ban.. read the Ubuntu Code of Conduct please
[07:50] <Gmail> creeperz: i thought it was a channegl like #nigel anyway offtopic
[07:50] <Treenaks> anyway...
[07:50] <creeperz> Gmail: #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #
[07:50] <creeperz> pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner #pussy-Whiner
[07:50] <creeperz> #pussy-Whiner
[07:50] <creeperz> #pussy-Whiner
[07:50] <amathis> o god
[07:50] <billytwowilly> Gmail, go to #politics. Lots of people looking to fin in there.
[07:50] <Agrajag> hey man
[07:50] <Gmail> OMG
[07:50] <Agrajag> that was just plain uncalled for
[07:50] <amathis> you cannot take creeperz anywhere can you?
[07:50] <amathis> :P
[07:51] <billytwowilly> see, If I was op I could just kick ban them both and be done with it. And I'm in north america.
[07:51] <amathis> billytwowilly: both == ?
[07:51] <billytwowilly> gmail + creeperz
[07:51] <amathis> ah
[07:51] <amathis> ok
[07:52] <billytwowilly> Plus I'm a responsible guy. I'm the VP Finance for my University's opensource advocacy group. LSD
[07:52] <amathis> :P
[07:53] <billytwowilly> see, VP Finance = conservative tight ass, and opensource advocacy = good with people. It's the perfect fit for a moderator.
[07:53] <billytwowilly> check us out. digital-liberation.ca
[07:54] <NetSurfAU> I thought this is where I came for help with issues with Ubu, not listen to off-topic winging
[07:54] <crimsun> NetSurfAU: you're correct on the first part
[07:54] <Gmail> OMG all staffer are away
[07:54] <crimsun> what can we help you with?
[07:54] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, You can do both here, the ops are asleep;)
[07:55] <NetSurfAU> Re-post - G'day, Have just tried three times to install Ubuntu and each time after reboot I keep getting Error 18 when "Grub stage1.5 starts loading.  Ideas
[07:55] <billytwowilly> The lights are on, but nobody is home;)
[07:55] <ironwolf> is there a known problem installing themes on hoary?
[07:56] <creeperz> Gmail: we're all starting a club...
[07:56] <creeperz> youre in it
[07:56] <creeperz> but everyone else isnt
[07:56] <billytwowilly> NetSurfAU, hmm. I thought the forum was ubuntuforum.org, but that doesn't appear to be it. I'd check the forum about your error though.
[07:56] <creeperz> its called "Little Baby Girly Whiners"
[07:56] <amathis> wtf
[07:56] <amathis> you got the wrong nick
[07:56] <amathis> and why isn't the channel topiclocked
[07:56] <amathis> ?
[07:56] <Gmail> opps
[07:56] <crimsun> heh
[07:57] <NetSurfAU> my screen says this group is "Topic  	 Ubuntu support channel"
[07:57] <Agent86> Gmail: Nice job.  I think people can handle their own ignoring, no? :-P
[07:57] <billytwowilly> so gmail is an op? I thought everyone was complaining about him.
[07:57] <amathis> serioiusley.. why is topiclock not on?
[07:57] <creeperz> billytwowilly: we are!
[07:57] <Gmail> billytwowilly: no
[07:57] <crimsun> amathis: self-policing
[07:57] <crimsun> amathis: I'm sure the ops will adjust it if necessary
[07:57] <amathis> billytwowilly: topiclock isn't on o.o
[07:57] <billytwowilly> heh.
[07:57] <amathis> crimsun: I was just taking off the part added.. o.0
[07:58] <creeperz> mainly because Gmail is in the club that nobody else is in
[07:58] <NetSurfAU> checked on-line documentation b4 coming in here - no help there for my issue
[07:58] <crimsun> amathis: that's fine
[07:58] <creeperz> (See above)
[07:58] <Gmail> cya all till creeperz gets klined
[07:58] <crimsun> NetSurfAU: SATA HD? ATA?     I have a cookie for you!  That stuff is a seretonin receptor neuro toxin
[08:06] <amathis> you know how that makes me feel inside :P
[08:06] <Gmail> thats it this channel full of lamers
[08:07] <amathis> Gmail: then leave?
[08:07] <creeperz> billytwowilly: /me doesnt do ex
[08:07] <creeperz> that crap is bad
[08:07] <creeperz> and so is meth
[08:07] <amathis> heh
[08:07] <ctd> Gmail: Sorry if we're not cool enough for you.
[08:07] <creeperz> just stuff that should be legal but isnt
[08:07] <billytwowilly> meth isn't really that bad.
[08:07] <billytwowilly> it's just a really cheap to produce amphetamine
[08:07] <Amaranth> This place is _not_ self policing.
[08:07] <creeperz> Gmail: my DEEPEST apolagies
[08:07] <amathis> Gmail: dude, quit.
[08:07] <creeperz> lol
[08:08] <billytwowilly> Could you guys please stop screwing with the channel topic?
[08:08] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to talk about drugs here;)
[08:08] <amathis> billytwowilly: I am just restoring it.
[08:08] <creeperz> :-)
[08:08] <Gmail> CYA
[08:08] <Amaranth> billytwowilly: Cut it out.
[08:08] <amathis> billytwowilly: heh, creeperz is a lightweight when it comes to drugs
[08:08] <creeperz> amathis: screw you :-)
[08:08] <amathis> compared to (blank )
[08:08] <amathis> :D
[08:08] <Amaranth> off-topic
[08:08] <ctd> Thank the lord, he's gone.
[08:09] <creeperz> just cuz i cant choke down 2 bacardis doesnt mean i cant take shots of vodka all night :-)
[08:09] <amathis> how do you add windows to grub off a slave HD?
[08:09] <creeperz> wow
[08:09] <creeperz> there's some interesting people in this channel
[08:09] <Amaranth> amathis: no clue but the grub config should give a nice example
[08:09] <creeperz> ctd: good to meet you :-)
[08:09] <amathis> Amaranth: I added it exactly like example said
[08:09] <amathis> but it didn't do it
[08:09] <amathis> :/
[08:09] <creeperz> billytwowilly: good to meet you too :-)
[08:10] <calc> amathis: did you set hd to 1,0 (or whatever drive/partition it is seen as?)
[08:10] <ctd> creeperz: Have a nice life. :)
[08:10] <Amaranth> Amaranth: hd0 in grub is like /dev/hda in linux
[08:10] <Amaranth> so if you have it pointing to hd0 it won't work
[08:10] <amathis> hmm
[08:10] <Amaranth> hd1 is like /dev/hdb, etc
[08:10] <creeperz> when Gmail comes back... tell him I'm in the closet
[08:10] <creeperz> like
[08:10] <creeperz> HIS closet
[08:10] <creeperz> not *the* closet :-)
[08:10] <amathis> Amaranth: hrm.. ok
[08:10] <billytwowilly> creeperz, yes, It is nice to meet you also. If you want to know more about drugs message me;) I'm taking a pharmacology course on them right now;)
[08:11] <Amaranth> creeperz: You should come out already, no one will make fun of you. ;)
[08:11] <neoxed> any one got x-java-vm?
[08:11] <amathis> .msg billytwowilly HOOK ME UP
[08:11] <amathis> j/k
[08:11] <Amaranth> neoxed: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:11] <creeperz> lol
[08:11] <billytwowilly> heh, I don't do drugs, I just find them intrigueing.
[08:11] <amathis> billytwowilly: I did too... right as they entered my arm.
[08:11] <amathis> :P
[08:11] <ctd> Panadol does wonders to fix my gmail "issue".
[08:12] <zenwhen> can ANYONE change the topic?
[08:12] <zenwhen> Wow, just wow.
[08:12] <creeperz> billytwowilly: never snort half a pill of oxycodone :-)
[08:12] <creeperz> thats all i can tell yu ;-)
[08:12] <Amaranth> He was so wow'ed his connection gave out. :D
[08:12] <amathis> hmm.. Amaranth what file controls grub?
[08:12] <|QuaD|> does anyone here know about apache's ssi's?
[08:12] <ctd> |QuaD|: Apache's docs do. ;)
[08:12] <billytwowilly> creeperz, that a designer drug that acts like morphine?
[08:13] <creeperz> somewhat
[08:13] <creeperz> not as addictive
[08:13] <|QuaD|> ctd: isn't answering my question
[08:13] <Se7h> oh man
[08:13] <creeperz> and your legs will feel like jell-o :-)
[08:13] <Se7h> jackass2 rules
[08:13] <Se7h> LOL
[08:13] <amathis> ugh
[08:13] <amathis> what file controls grub loaders?
[08:13] <Amaranth> amathis: I'm looking
[08:13] <amathis> I have always been used to lilo
[08:14] <Agrajag> isn't it /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[08:14] <amathis>  ah
[08:14] <amathis> ok
[08:14] <DigiKill> same here...lilo all the way :S
[08:14] <Amaranth> Agrajag: yep, thats it
[08:14] <amathis> title		Windows XP Professional
[08:14] <amathis> root		(hd1,0)
[08:14] <amathis> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
[08:14] <amathis> chainloader	+1
[08:14] <amathis> makeactive
[08:14] <amathis> how should this look?
[08:14] <ctd> |QuaD|: Then ask your question. :)
[08:15] <|QuaD|> ctd: is there a way to use a ssi without starting <!--
[08:16] <neoxed> still cant find the install for x-jav
[08:17] <neoxed> x-java.
[08:17] <creeperz> if any of you cool people want to get ahold of me, I'll be in #Noodlebot ... The channel that your "fearless leader" doesn't think should be on the network :-D
[08:17] <creeperz> peace
[08:17] <billytwowilly> anyone know how to bring back the crossover office additions to the menu that got wiped out when hoary did that whole menu change?
[08:18] <Synek> morning
[08:18] <ctd> |QuaD|: Have you looked at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/howto/ssi.html ?
[08:19] <Gmail> is the lamers still here
[08:19] <ctd> Gmail: Dude.
[08:19] <ctd> Gmail: Flaming people isn't going to help you in life.
[08:21] <|QuaD|> ctd: yeah
[08:21] <Amaranth> Gmail: Drop it.
[08:22] <|QuaD|> ctd: it didn't say we COULD or couldn't
[08:22] <neoxed> QuaD where can i get x-java-vm.?
[08:22] <Gmail> |QuaD|: your a lot more than creeperz and amathis and billytwowilly
[08:22] <amathis> o.0
[08:23] <Gmail> oh wait is amathis ment to be on that list?
[08:23] <Amaranth> neoxed: You need to install Java, see http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:23] <|QuaD|> neoxed: there is a faq on the website
[08:23] <|QuaD|> Gmail: be nice
[08:23] <Gmail> to you
[08:23] <|QuaD|> to everyone
[08:23] <Gmail> no amathis is ment to be on that list
[08:24] <amathis> Gmail: consult a dictionary... it is all the new rage... *meant
[08:24] <ctd> |QuaD|: So you want to do SSI's without the <!-- --> thing?
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> IW
[08:24] <|QuaD|> yeah.... more of just curious if you can
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> daniels?
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> peeps trollin in here?
[08:24] <Amaranth> daniels is away
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> goodnight all
[08:25] <amathis> Good night.
[08:25] <Amaranth> he has been idle 8 hours :P
[08:25] <Amaranth> night RuffianSoldier
[08:25] <ctd> RuffianSoldier: Were you the one last night asking about X?
[08:26] <ctd> |QuaD|: Can't say I've seen it done before
[08:26] <|QuaD|> ctd: s'ok
[08:27] <ironwolf> Ok, Theme's are borked in Hoary... No eta yet.
[08:28] <gecko[au] > gday
[08:28] <ironwolf> gday gecko
[08:28] <gecko[au] > need some help with java setup
[08:28] <|QuaD|> gecko[au] : did you read the wiki?
[08:28] <gecko[au] > been told java-package should be used
[08:29] <gecko[au] > checking
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> i want Sun JDS
[08:29] <Amaranth> *shudder*
[08:30] <neoxed> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:30] <neoxed> any one know how to fix dpkg?
[08:30] <crimsun> neoxed: it's not dpkg's fault; it's the package's
[08:30] <crimsun> neoxed: what's the error above that?
[08:31] <neoxed> muddleftpd error in file ftpwho.c line 602: No parent pid in inetd mode.
[08:31] <neoxed> CANNOT RESUME. Goodbye
[08:31] <neoxed> invoke-rc.d: initscript muddleftpd, action "start" failed.
[08:31] <neoxed> dpkg: error processing muddleftpd (--configure):
[08:31] <neoxed> Starting FTP server: muddleftpd error in file proxy.c line 329: Cannot bind to port 21, ip <IP_ADDRESS>, skipping!
[08:32] <crimsun> neoxed: is something else listening on tcp/21?
[08:32] <neoxed> i dunno
[08:32] <crimsun> neoxed: netstat -ntpl|grep 21
[08:33] <neoxed> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:21              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     3112/inetd
[08:33] <neoxed> 112/inetd
[08:33] <crimsun> neoxed: inetd is already listening on 21, which implies you probably have another ftp daemon configured to use inetd
[08:34] <neoxed> how can i stop it
[08:34] <crimsun> neoxed: try `sudo invoke-rc.d inetd stop'
[08:34] <neoxed> woot worked
[08:34] <neoxed> thank
[08:34] <neoxed> thanks
[08:35] <Gmail> ohh
[08:35] <Gmail> new menu thing is soo cool
[08:36] <Gmail> applications
[08:36] <Gmail> places and system
[08:38] <zenwhen> Now I am REALLY tempted to upgrade to hoary.
[08:38] <Gmail> why don't you
[08:39] <zenwhen> Because my system has to be stable.
[08:39] <ironwolf> zenwhen: define stable.
[08:39] <gecko[au] > anyone got notes 6.5.2 working on ubuntu
[08:39] <zenwhen> I dont have time to piss around with reinstalling.
[08:39] <Gmail> hoary hasn't crashed on me ever
[08:39] <zenwhen> Gmail, it has for many people.
[08:40] <Gmail> zenwhen: i have never reinstalled
[08:40] <zenwhen> I am setting up another machine soon to do testing with soon.
[08:40] <Gmail> i was using from the second the merge was finished
[08:40] <zenwhen> Nice
[08:40] <ironwolf> zenwhen: best off with warty.  Hoary crashes aren't pleasant.
[08:40] <zenwhen> But still, many have had issues.
[08:40] <Gmail> zenwhen: the only problem you'll have is dependces
[08:40] <zenwhen> I cannot deal with them on my main system.
[08:41] <Gmail> hoary had a huge isue a few days ago
[08:41] <gecko[au] > one more question... thanks for the help on the java one
[08:41] <Gmail> zenwhen: wait till gnome 2.9.3 gets into hoary the day after itsrelested
[08:41] <gecko[au] > what is ubuntu live?
[08:42] <Gmail> then hoary will be a huge upgrade
[08:42] <ironwolf> gecko[au] : it's a cd that you can pop in and run off the CD, without installing.  Think of it as a test drive.
[08:42] <Gmail> gecko[au] : a os that boot off your cd drive
[08:42] <zenwhen> Im going to use hoary when there is a preview ISO.
[08:42] <gecko[au] > Gmail: how useful
[08:42] <Gmail> gecko[au] : it doesn't touch your harddrive
[08:43] <gecko[au] > Gmail: are you serious?
[08:43] <Gmail> gecko[au] : good to see if there are the driver needed for your hardware
[08:43] <Gmail> gecko[au] : yes
[08:43] <Gmail> this is linux
[08:43] <gecko[au] > Gmail: wow thanks!
[08:43] <Gmail> bot winbloze
[08:44] <Gmail> gnome 3 is going to kill a big part of windoze share market and so is kde 4 for those people who like it
[08:44] <gecko[au] > Ubuntu is great but their are a lot of desktop holes... still needs work to make it good for dummies
[08:45] <Synek> true
[08:45] <gecko[au] > its still a lot more stable than winblowz
[08:45] <Ubuntu-Linux> ooops
[08:45] <Synek> But it needs an extra skill to instal and "dget to work"
[08:46] <gecko[au] > yep - its a lot closer to the mark than most
[08:46] <gecko[au] > I so want a SOE linux desktop it almost hurts
[08:47] <declan> hello all
[08:47] <Gmail> gecko[au] :  true linux user don't know what a crash is
[08:47] <declan> i was wondering if anyone could help me with a little mounting problem I am having I would greatly appreciate it
[08:47] <gecko[au] > gday declan, now where do I know that name from
[08:47] <Gmail> thats how stable it is
[08:47] <declan> a movie maybe, the jackal, lol
[08:48] <gecko[au] > ahh yes
[08:48] <declan> also my name haha
[08:48] <declan> gecko would you be willing to help me out if ya could
[08:48] <gecko[au] > Gmail: yes but true linux user dont see the need for seemless desktop... where as IT companies require it.
[08:49] <gecko[au] > yeah sure
[08:49] <Gmail> you guys should now the tab key auto complates a nick in most irc clients
[08:49] <Gmail> gecko[au] : yes they do
[08:50] <declan> I am mounting an NTFS drive in linux, edited /etc/fstab created a windows folder in /media to mount it to, but its only allowing root to access it, i have it to be able to be user mounted, but it only allows root to access it, wondering how to allow user to access it
[08:50] <Gmail> linus officaly uses x
[08:50] <gecko[au] > declan: you need to use the "user" option in fstab on the line that refers to the mount point
[08:51] <declan> yes i have that
[08:51] <declan> hold on lemme get you ms fstab line
[08:51] <gecko[au] > ok then are the perms correct on the directory/
[08:51] <gecko[au] > ?
[08:52] <gecko[au] > declan: on the mount directory? (hmm not sure if it affects mounts)
[08:53] <declan> /dev/hda1   /media/windows   ntfs    ro,user, auto         0          0
[08:53] <declan> on the mount directory chmod to myself
[08:53] <declan> well not myself, but to allow all, to r,w,x
[08:53] <gecko[au] > ok so perms are 777
[08:53] <Agrajag> here's mine
[08:53] <declan> yes
[08:54] <Agrajag> /dev/hdb4               /mnt/nt         ntfs            users,ro,umask=0222,nls=utf8,exec       0 0
[08:54] <Agrajag> try that
[08:54] <Agrajag> or... you know, something like it
[08:55] <neoxed> any one know any proragms that will read large tex docs for you?
[08:56] <ironwolf> neoxed: I like vi, others like emacs.
[08:56] <neoxed> vi easy to use?
[08:56] <declan> Agrajag, Thanks, that worked, im really not sure why, could you explain, the difference with users, as opposed to user, and whats the umask, and nls....if you could thanks
[08:57] <ironwolf> neoxed: it's not the most user friendly piece of software on the market, but it's easy to work with if you find a quick reference.
[08:57] <neoxed> i c
[08:58] <Gmail> why doesn't the gnome team take the distro patches that make gnome more user friendly?
[08:58] <gecko[au] > declan: users will work, user may not
[08:58] <declan> thanks a lot guys...
[08:58] <neoxed> i got alot fo c++ ebooks and well i need glass;s cuz if i sit and read for more then 10 mins my eyes burn so bad
[08:58] <Agrajag> well, umask isn't really needed, it just forces everything to appear to be r-xr-xr-x
[08:59] <Agrajag> nls=utf8 sets language for the filenames to utf8, I need it or some of my mp3s have broken filenames
[08:59] <gecko[au] > declan: its a bit like the difference between kill -1 PID and kill - 1 PID
[08:59] <Agrajag> and users makes it so any user can mount/umount
[08:59] <declan> wanna help me with one more thing....im new to the way debian gets packages, im using ubuntu, i want to install xmms, how would i go about doing it seeing as im not sure if i can use rpm(im coming from using mandrake)
[08:59] <neoxed> is it called emacspeak?
[09:00] <Agrajag> declan: sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:00] <gecko[au] > beat me
[09:00] <KonvIRC> ubuntu is based on debian so any debian packages will work right?
[09:00] <gecko[au] > mostly yes
[09:00] <Agrajag> not necessarily
[09:00] <declan> im guessing that would be the same for most things, and if debian doesn't have a package i would need to build from source correct?
[09:00] <gecko[au] > the cup is half full?
[09:00] <KonvIRC> im just gonna try it out and iso is only 500mb so im assuming its missing a lot
[09:01] <Agrajag> yes
[09:01] <KonvIRC> so im just thinking of where i can get everything
[09:01] <KonvIRC> w/o having to compile
[09:02] <gecko[au] > discussing the ubuntu "experience"...
[09:02] <declan> Anyone know of any C++ or Java Developement editors, that will color code and do indents, that aren't emacs or Vi
[09:03] <Gmail> vim
[09:03] <Gmail> declan: there are like another 1000 of them
[09:04] <declan> lol ok
[09:04] <gecko[au] > discussing the ubuntu "experience"... starting with the web experience, firefox is a great browser but all the attachments are missing. Quicktime, Flash, Java and robust multimedia players need to be working from first install
[09:05] <declan> i agree
[09:05] <neoxed> any one know how to use emacspeak
[09:05] <neoxed> and if it reads tex?
[09:05] <declan> i think that an MP3 plugin should be included on first install as well, or is that a legal issue
[09:06] <gecko[au] > mutimedia player should cover that
[09:07] <Agrajag> it shouldn't be a legal issue, I thought the mp3 license says you can distribute a decoder for free if you don't charge for the software
[09:07] <gecko[au] > on the software side, if you want install on demand, it must be seemless... yes/no simplicity
[09:07] <declan> i tried music player but it said no plugin avail to play MP3
[09:08] <gecko[au] > Synaptic is nice but useless for the average windows user
[09:08] <Agrajag> you mean rhythmbox
[09:08] <declan> yea rhythmbox
[09:08] <calc> Agrajag: well it just says "Music Player" on the menu ;)
[09:09] <Agrajag> yeah that annoys me
[09:09] <gecko[au] > in fact the whole package management system should be totally transparent. They want something, they search and click go...
[09:09] <gecko[au] > anyway - thats enough heresy from me
[09:10] <declan> Do any of you develope for a career or for open source?
[09:11] <gecko[au] > I wish, I dont have the discipline
[09:11] <declan> gotcha
[09:11] <calc> i'm just a package monkey right now
[09:12] <declan> gecko whats the profession, just curious
[09:12] <calc> written a few minor things like kernel drivers, menu-xdg, etc
[09:13] <Gmail> calc: i got something you will love to package
[09:13] <calc> if it doesn't suck like kde i might ;)
[09:13] <kleedrac> I've got a couple questions for the ubuntu gurus here ... 1) How do I get .wma support for xmms?  2) Why does mplayer crash after beginning to parse the .conf file?
[09:13] <Gmail> calc: its nothing in that sence
[09:14] <declan> xmms would have a plugin not sure if it supports wma, i know for a fact xine does
[09:14] <KonvIRC> i used to program for OSS full time paid
[09:14] <calc> Gmail: wow is that like a cpanel replacement?
[09:14] <KonvIRC> for about 1.5 years
[09:14] <kleedrac> I can find xmms-wma.rpm can't find the .deb though ... can ubuntu use rpms?
[09:14] <KonvIRC> company spent all their money and laid everyone off
[09:15] <KonvIRC> wouldnt the best way to get stuff be apt-get ?
[09:15] <Gmail> calc: yes
[09:15] <ctd-goslar> kleedrac: No.
[09:15] <declan> not sure if it can use rpm, probably not, someone else comment there, you can always build from source
[09:15] <calc> Gmail: thats pretty nice :)
[09:15] <Gmail> calc: yes in #vhcs
[09:15] <KonvIRC> http://www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt
[09:15] <KonvIRC> theres a thing on getting mplayer in ubuntu
[09:16] <KonvIRC> via google
[09:16] <ctd-goslar> KonvIRC: To get mplayer, you just install it from multiverse.
[09:16] <kleedrac> I got mplayer installed but it crashes with Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[09:16] <kleedrac> Illegal instruction
[09:18] <neoxed> any one know a good program this will read out loud large tex files?
[09:19] <snipes> Hi
[09:20] <crimsun> 'lo
[09:20] <snipes> My computer is doing something strange. Gkrellm says there is disk activity. How can I find out what it is doing?
[09:21] <crimsun> top(1) is also useful for that, snipes
[09:22] <snipes> yea top doesnt tell me anything useful in this instance.
[09:23] <snipes> not that I can notice anyway
[09:26] <snipes> does linux automaticly do any defrag type thing that could cause disk activity? It is reading about 4 MB/s and writing about 2MB/s.
[09:27] <Synek> snipes: disk acitivity? it can be updatedb or sth
[09:27] <Synek> logrotate?
[09:28] <snipes> hmmm, possibly but its been going on about 20 minutes now
[09:28] <Synek> hm
[09:28] <Synek> no idea
[09:29] <crimsun> snipes: what sort of programs are running?
[09:29] <crimsun> and what file systems are you using?
[09:30] <gecko[au] > is their a one line command to install a locally created package which has a dependancy on multiverse package.. can apt-get do all this?
[09:30] <snipes> apache, mysqld, azureus, vncserver, quite a few programs but for the last few days it hasnt been this much activity
[09:30] <crimsun> I venture it's probably the java vm reading from disk for azureus
[09:31] <crimsun> particularly if any of your torrents are moving quickly
[09:31] <crimsun> reading/writing from/to disk
[09:31] <Celery> um
[09:31] <Celery> small problem
[09:31] <Celerex> i was never asked to set a root password..
[09:31] <crimsun> gecko[au] : unfortunately, no
[09:31] <Celerex> ah, sudo :)
[09:31] <crimsun> Celerex: use sudo with your user's password. This is explained in the FAQ.
[09:32] <Celerex> just found it :)
[09:32] <miausX> hi! :)
[09:32] <crimsun> gecko[au] : you can apt-get install the dependency, then dpkg -i the local package
[09:32] <crimsun> hi miausX
[09:33] <miausX> excuse me, I have added a few lines to the SettingUpSamba howto, can anybody read it to see if it's correct? I don't speak english very well :)
[09:33] <miausX> hi crimsun :)
[09:33] <crimsun> sure, miausX. Use a paste web site if necessary.
[09:33] <snipes> would excessive swapping cause visible diskactivity? its on an XBox with 64MB RAM.
[09:33] <crimsun> snipes: certainly
[09:33] <Celerex> i've got a problem with apt, it complains that it can't open the locals 'en'. is there something else is hould use?
[09:34] <crimsun> Celerex: try exporting LANG=C and LC_ALL=C
[09:34] <snipes> thanks a lot everybody
[09:34] <miausX> crimsun, oh, it's in the Ubuntu web site --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[09:34] <maswan> Does bugfixes like this go into warty? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256185
[09:34] <miausX> you can see my changes with the "history" tab :)
[09:36] <miausX> I have changed that section because the old settings are not secure, now it works fine (at last on my server)
[09:36] <Celerex> so default of C is a sufficent language locale?
[09:37] <crimsun> maswan: that NMU is dated [Sat,  3 Jul 2004 09:34:31 +0200] , long before the release of Warty
[09:37] <crimsun> maswan: what version of python2.3-zsi is in Warty?
[09:38] <miausX> crimsun, Version: 1.5.0-2
[09:39] <crimsun> miausX: not sure. It seems like a minor bugfix. Ask doko himself. :) It'll definitely be in Hoary; you can check yourself via 'universe' in apt-cache policy.
[09:39] <crimsun> err
[09:40] <crimsun> maswan: ^
[09:40] <miausX> ;)
[09:40] <crimsun> (thanks though, miausX)
[09:40] <crimsun> miausX: looks fine to me
[09:40] <Celerex> i'm trying to do an apt-get install locales lsb ubuntu-desktop and all it does it complain about locales. I've reset LANG and LANGUAGE to C but it complains:
[09:40] <miausX> thanks crimsun :)
[09:40] <Celerex> en.ISO-8859-1... cannot open locale definition file 'en': No such file or directory
[09:40] <miausX> en_EN.ISO-8859-1
[09:40] <miausX> or en_US
[09:41] <Celerex> the error is exactly like i see it
[09:41] <crimsun> hum.
[09:41] <crimsun> locales should already be installed
[09:41] <Celerex> that's what's failing
[09:41] <crimsun> why are you attempting to (re)install it?
[09:42] <miausX> Ohmer, I have to study a bit, see you later :)
[09:42] <Celerex> the intial install complained that it failed
[09:42] <Celerex> and no every tim ei do an apt-get it complains it can't install those packages
[09:42] <crimsun> ah, I see
[09:42] <Celerex> that was "and now every time i do.."
[09:42] <declan> night folks
[09:44] <crimsun> Celerex: I don't even see "en_EN*" as a choice
[09:45] <Celerex> yeah well i don't know where it's set
[09:45] <crimsun> Celerex: I think you mean en_US or en_US.UTF-8
[09:45] <Celerex> if i could change it i would
[09:45] <crimsun> /etc/locale.gen
[09:46] <crimsun> you would put:
[09:46] <crimsun> en_US ISO-8859-1
[09:46] <crimsun> like that.
[09:46] <crimsun> :q!
[09:46] <crimsun> err, woops ;-)
[09:46] <Celerex> bah
[09:46] <Celerex> finally
[09:46] <Celerex> what's the entry in your locales.gen?
[09:46] <Celerex> it was en ###...
[09:47] <Celerex> it doesn't like en_US.###...
[09:47] <Celerex> (it just says bad entry)
[09:47] <crimsun> I have the line I just pasted + "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8"
[09:47] <Celerex> k
[09:55] <maswan> crimsun: thanks
[09:55] <crimsun> np
[09:57] <Alex1> hi
[09:57] <Alex1> someone can help me?
[09:59] <Emanuelez> hello *
[09:59] <spiritz> hi
[09:59] <Emanuelez> backing my debian up to switch to ubuntu :)
[09:59] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: i like to hear that
[10:00] <Emanuelez> what's a safe way to backup emails (evolution)? should i just burn the Mail dir and copy it back once ubuntu is installed?
[10:00] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: that would probably work
[10:00] <Celerex> omg
[10:01] <Celerex> ubuntu provides FireFox 0.9.3??
[10:01] <Alex1> i`ve a problem with acpi_power_off called, i edit the file as guide said but my pc does not turn off
[10:01] <Emanuelez> |QuaD|: probably? LOL
[10:01] <Alex1> someone can help me?
[10:01] <alessio_> i'ahve the same problem
[10:02] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: i normally just back up my /etc and /home directories
[10:02] <Emanuelez> |QuaD|: that's what i'm doing :)
[10:03] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: :)
[10:03] <Emanuelez> is ubuntulinux.org working for u? it seems like freezing to me..
[10:03] <|QuaD|> Emanuelez: yup
[10:04] <Alex1> noone can help me?
[10:04] <Emanuelez> mmm... i guess my isp is having problems then :-S
[10:04] <Emanuelez> Alex1: is acpi turned on in your bios?
[10:04] <Alex1> yes it is
[10:05] <Emanuelez> Alex1: and u have a standard kernel with acpi enabled?
[10:05] <Alex1> yes
[10:05] <Alex1> apcid is also active
[10:05] <calc> i've seen the no turn off issue on several pcs
[10:05] <calc> i think <IP_ADDRESS> was bugged
[10:06] <Celerex> anyway i can sim an intall?
[10:06] <Celerex> ie, tell apt that a package is installed without it being installed?
[10:06] <calc> equivs will do that
[10:07] <housetier> Celerex look at equivs
[10:07] <calc> its probably in universe
[10:08] <Celerex> bah i'm blocked now.. stupid dependancies
[10:09] <Celerex> i'm trying to install this package and it's complaining that a file is provided by another package. can i tell apt to just overwrite orskip?
[10:09] <Emanuelez> is there an ubuntu channel for amd64 users?
[10:10] <calc> Emanuelez: i think its here as well
[10:10] <calc> i have two ubuntu amd64 boxes here
[10:11] <Emanuelez> calc: cool... what issues will i have to face? :)
[10:14] <calc> hoary seems to work fine for me
[10:14] <calc> a few of the applets crash every once in a while
[10:16] <seb128> calc, any backtrace of the crash ?
[10:17] <calc> seb128: i'll try to grab one the next time it happens
[10:17] <seb128> calc, I made -dbg packages for panel/applets/gnomevfs ... just install them :)
[10:17] <calc> the applet that seems to crash most often is the weather one
[10:17] <seb128> ok
[10:17] <seb128> please install gnome-applets-dbg
[10:17] <calc> ok
[10:17] <seb128> so you get a decent bt
[10:17] <seb128> thanks
[10:18] <calc> none of them crash very often probably less than once a day
[10:21] <hazza96> is hoary the next release after warty?
[10:22] <seb128> yes
[10:23] <hazza96> what stage is it at? beta?
[10:24] <Celerex> wow
[10:24] <Celerex> just a FEW packages to upgrade from the ubuntu tree to unstable debian tree
[10:26] <Emanuelez> mmm... i guess i will be installing the 32 bit version... or my ati radeon 9600 will never be accelerated
[10:27] <hazza96> is it possible to install Warty and do a update to get it to hoary?
[10:27] <seb128> yes
[10:27] <Celerex> Emanuelez don't forget the fglrx drivers ;)
[10:27] <hazza96> cool cause I just downloaded warty and don't want to download the whole thing again
[10:28] <Emanuelez> Celerex: what r those?
[10:28] <Celerex> those are the ATI drivers
[10:28] <Celerex> specically done for the Radeon cards. HUGE difference over the generic ATI driver or radeon driver included with xfree
[10:28] <hazza96> thanks seb128
[10:29] <Emanuelez> Celerex: for 64 bit kernels too?
[10:29] <seb128> np
[10:29] <Celerex> well you can build them yourself if you so desire. i dn't have any 64 machines and i've never heard either way whether they work or not
[10:30] <Emanuelez> Celerex: aren't those the official ati drivers for linux?
[10:33] <daniels> fglrx on amd64 does not work, full stop
[10:35] <fabbione> tsk :-)
[10:35] <daniels> thanks, forgot about that one
[10:36] <Emanuelez> daniels: thx :)
[10:36] <trukulo> daniels, have you seen jane there? i have to talk with her
[10:37] <daniels> trukulo: she's away, sorry; is there anything I can help with?
[10:37] <trukulo> yes, two things i have to inform
[10:37] <trukulo> in private, please
[10:38] <daniels> sure
[10:44] <Alessio> where cani i find php5?
[10:44] <Alessio> where can i find php5?
[10:44] <Alessio> only form source?
[10:44] <Alessio> only from source?
[10:44] <Alessio> is there any .deb?
[10:44] <ctd> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3657.html
[10:45] <Alessio> tx
[10:45] <Alessio> then only form source!
[10:45] <Alessio> *from
[10:46] <Emanuelez> any gaim-vv user here?
[10:46] <Emanuelez> i need webcam support for yahoo messenger and gaim-vv was the only one i could make work on debian
[10:47] <Alessio> ctd, i have installed mysql and apache from apt
[10:47] <Alessio> can i install only php5 from.. source?
[11:06] <jiyuu0> any suggested good newsreader program?
[11:06] <linux_mafia> pan
[11:06] <jiyuu0> can evolution do it?
[11:06] <jiyuu0> how bout thunderbird?
[11:06] <linux_mafia> jiyuu0, maybe
[11:07] <linux_mafia> jiyuu0, evo that is, not sure on tbird
[11:07] <iMeXdiAC> i use thunderbird :) ..
[11:07] <iMeXdiAC> works nice ..
[11:07] <jiyuu0> so no need to recommend extra program for newsreader
[11:07] <jiyuu0> thanks :)
[11:07] <iMeXdiAC> np
[11:08] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, anything in particular you like about tbird over evo?
[11:08] <iMeXdiAC> hmm ..
[11:08] <Keybuk> Burgundavia_: gleetings
[11:09] <iMeXdiAC> i like tbird a bit more .. in the 1.0 release vers .. as now its a prerelease thats in the standard warty repository
[11:10] <iMeXdiAC> its the layout i like in tbird
[11:11] <iMeXdiAC> and the possibility to write an extension or add one if i ever feel to have the need to
[11:11] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, ok, i might have to try it, only using evo, just cause i always have, no other reason really, although its a damn good app
[11:12] <iMeXdiAC> they both are for sure ..
[11:12] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, you using hoary?
[11:12] <iMeXdiAC> nah wardog ..
[11:13] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, ok, just gonna comment on the new menu setup, seems kinda weird to me, guess i'll get used to it
[11:13] <iMeXdiAC> dont know the upgrade procedure .. i came from debian .. havent read the docs yet
[11:13] <linux_mafia> wondered if others thought so too
[11:14] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, came from debian? dist-upgraded to warty, or switched?
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> i switched ..
[11:15] <linux_mafia> oh\
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> as i had some trouble ..
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> tried gentoo ..
[11:15] <iMeXdiAC> had problems to get the kernel running compiling correctly
[11:15] <linux_mafia> well upgrade procedure is same as stable -> testing -> sid, if youve done that before
[11:16] <iMeXdiAC> as some pam dependency wasnt included and i couldnt login
[11:16] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, in gentoo?
[11:16] <iMeXdiAC> yup ..
[11:17] <iMeXdiAC> im on a ppc proc .. :)
[11:17] <linux_mafia> iMeXdiAC, i must admit gentoo intrigues me, but all that compilation, im just not masochistic enough
[11:17] <linux_mafia> plus im impatient
[11:18] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. i thought why not try it as it was on second hardware i didnt need at that time
[11:18] <iMeXdiAC> and wanted to get used to another distri
[11:19] <iMeXdiAC> and my proc has only 466mhz
[11:19] <Keybuk> Daniel is *evil*
[11:19] <bluewheel> linux_mafia, I tried gentoo once, after 2 hours of getting basicly nothing done I instlled sarge in 30 mins and had a working X system, much quicker than the days of noting but gcc screens
[11:20] <Keybuk> tempting people over with the promise of chocolate, and giving them that stuff
[11:20] <iMeXdiAC> blueweel :) well i had it nearly running ..
[11:20] <linux_mafia> bluewheel, yeah thats kinda how i see it, plus from what ive read, although im not an os programmer, the speed gains from optimisation are negligable
[11:21] <bluewheel> linux_mafia, speed gains are almost nothing on ppc i think. Since gcc for the g4's is not too stable above 02 anyway
[11:21] <iMeXdiAC> hmm well im on a g3 ..
[11:21] <bluewheel> g3 is pretty much base ppc which is what most .debs would be anyway
[11:21] <bluewheel> no point as far as i can see it
[11:22] <iMeXdiAC> well my point was to take a peek at gentoo ..
[11:22] <iMeXdiAC> as im a comp science stud
[11:22] <bluewheel> but then i could be wrong and it could be the greatest thing in the world but then do i need an optimised version of ls ?
[11:23] <iMeXdiAC> ;)
[11:23] <linux_mafia> bluewheel, yeah and although many packages on debian/ubuntu are made for the lowest common denominator, the devs do use flags etc that give improvements when making packages
[11:23] <bluewheel> yea i am a comp sci student too, but i'd rather do something with my computer than watch it compile stuff :-)
[11:23] <bluewheel> kinda like watching static on TV as far as i am concerned :-)
[11:23] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. well .. it wasnt my main machine then ..
[11:24] <iMeXdiAC> so i wouldnt watch gcc compile the whole day
[11:24] <bluewheel> oh yea it would be fun to do once, just to say you did :-)
[11:25] <bluewheel> it's kinda like doing rm -rf / as root, ever comp sci person should do it once, more than that if they want but once is enough :-)
[11:25] <linux_mafia> bluewheel, plus i read about one of the ubuntu devs showing the gentoo devs about how to compile something "specially", that they didnt even know about, heh
[11:25] <Agrajag> learning gentoo to help you in CS is like watching Cops to make you a better police officer
[11:25] <jiyuu0> linux_mafia, just found nice feature in evo "threaded message list"
[11:25] <iMeXdiAC> anyway i got the ubuntu image and made a fresh install .. was around a week ago
[11:25] <jiyuu0> that's something thunderbird doesn't have
[11:25] <Agrajag> gentoo doesn't teach you anything other than how to run emerge
[11:26] <linux_mafia> jiyuu0, yep i use that, good aye, perfect for my mailing lists
[11:26] <jiyuu0> yub
[11:26] <jiyuu0> now i found a reason to use mailing list
[11:26] <jiyuu0> i always hated em... unsorted.. hard to read
[11:27] <jiyuu0> that's a plus point for evo
[11:28] <iMeXdiAC> rm -rf / doesnt work that efficient .. rm -rf /* would be a bit better .. but not sure ..
[11:29] <iMeXdiAC> as i just tried it some time ago ..
[11:29] <davmor2> bob2 are you about
[11:29] <ctd> rm -rf /'s are best done in UMLs.
[11:29] <bluewheel> linux_mafia, everytime i convince myself gentoo is better than debian i think how long it would take to install and debian wins again
[11:29] <ctd> That's how I did mine.
[11:30] <Synek> huh
[11:30] <Synek> i've recalled myself "Gentoo is rice" ;-)
[11:30] <crimsun> iMeXdiAC: um, what's the difference between / and /* with `rm -rf' ? :)
[11:30] <crimsun> moin Tsjoklat
[11:31] <Tsjoklat> crimsun :)
[11:31] <davmor2> can anyone help I have a problem trying to unpack an iso any apps to help or plain english man page? it says it isn't iso 9660
[11:32] <davmor2> yet the second disc burnt fine
[11:32] <crimsun> davmor2: you don't unpack an iso; you mount it using a loopback device
[11:32] <davmor2> how? crimsun
[11:32] <crimsun> davmor2: mount -t loop foo.iso /somemountpoint
[11:32] <crimsun> -o loop
[11:32] <crimsun> not -t
[11:33] <davmor2> ta
[11:33] <mgedmin> rm -rf /* will not remove files in / that start with a dot
[11:33] <iMeXdiAC> crimsun somehow rm -rf doesnt descend in all directories with the / alone resp wants to remove / and not the contents of / as it would with /*
[11:33] <mgedmin> don't know how useful that is ;)
[11:33] <davmor2> is the loop command already in warty or do i need to dl it
[11:33] <bob2> davmor2: ?
[11:34] <crimsun> davmor2: it's built into mount(8) and the kernel
[11:34] <crimsun> davmor2: you don't need anything extra
[11:34] <davmor2> thanx a lot I'll try that
[11:36] <crimsun> iMeXdiAC: the corner case is as mgedmin described.~
[11:39] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. how about rm -rf /* /.*   -- as im quite sure as i only used the / it didnt really work on all files
[11:40] <crimsun> will remove / recursively, but /* /.* will require a rmdir / afterward to achieve the same
[11:41] <bob2> if you're deleting a directory, just give the directory name, with no * on the end at all
[11:42] <Tsjoklat> hey bob2
[11:42] <crimsun> yeah my leading '/' was eaten by irssi because I forgot to use / /
[11:42] <Gmail> bob2: you mist the trolls in here
[11:43] <Tsjoklat> Gmail what do you mean.. you are still in here
[11:43] <iMeXdiAC> hmm .. but isnt the / alone a special case as its the main entry point .. or not
[11:43] <bob2> no
[11:43] <bob2> Tsjoklat: hola.  made it back in one piece?
[11:44] <Tsjoklat> bob2 still breathing :)
[11:45] <iMeXdiAC> hmm what is then a better expl that rm -rf / doesnt work that well ..
[11:45] <crimsun> iMeXdiAC: a simple / is the most effective
[11:45] <crimsun> (and hence the most dangerous)
[11:46] <iMeXdiAC> well i issued this command once .. and the harddrive wasnt empty after that as i recall ..
[11:46] <linux_mafia> Gmail, what trolls?
[11:47] <iMeXdiAC> but its hair splitting prolly ;)
[11:47] <Gmail> linux_mafia: you mist them probbly
[11:48] <Gmail> someone flooded Gmail: join bla bla with bla bla being repeated 100 times
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> Gmail take it to offtopic
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> nobody cares
[11:48] <Gmail> i banned from offtopic
[11:48] <Gmail> this is why bob2 you need to unabn me
[11:48] <Tsjoklat> then start your own channel: Gmail
[11:49] <Gmail> no
[11:49] <bob2> Gmail: 'unabn'?
[11:50] <daniels> Gmail: if we are awake, we are going to be monitoring the channel.  putting 'staffers please monitor this channel' in the topic is pointless and incredibly annoying.  don't do it.
[11:50] <daniels> Gmail: and whining about #ubuntu-offtopic in here is also offtopic for #ubuntu.  i've asked you many, many times to stop it, but it appears you are unable to respect that.