[03:02] <Rushikh> Hello everyone
[03:03] <Rushikh> How is everyone doing?
[22:14] <coz_> troy_s,  you asked a while back if I posted any of my work somewhere.... well the answer is still no but i have seen some of my images popping up some places... dont know how they got there  .... cant find one now thogh
[22:14] <troy_s> coz_: You need to get some up at some point you donkey.
[22:14] <troy_s> coz_: It really isn't hard.
[22:15] <coz_> troy_s,  lol... wel  I will try my best
[22:30] <troy_s> coz_: You tried your best last time I talked to you. I'll be 97 before it happens.


[13:39] <MichealH> Omega: I have a nice layout ATM
[14:03] <MichealH> The website looks brlliant :D
[14:14] <MichealH> :/ ubuntutour.org is down
[19:44] <MichealH> muPING
[19:44] <MichealH> Muscovy: ^^
[19:44] <MichealH> ping :
[19:44] <MichealH> *:D
[19:50] <MichealH> Muscovy: ubuntutour.org is down?
[19:51] <MichealH> It's not just you! http://ubuntutour.org looks down from here.
[19:51] <MichealH> :/
[19:59] <Muscovy> Hi MichealH.
[19:59] <Muscovy> THe host just did a switch.
[20:00] <Muscovy> Everything's been a bit wacky for the last few hours.
[20:00] <MichealH> Ah
[20:00] <MichealH> I was a little like WTF :P
[20:00] <MichealH> So how do I do FTP now?
[20:02] <MichealH> brb
[20:04] <Muscovy> It'll be same ftp as before, if that's working yet.
[20:04] <Muscovy> It may take another day for them to get things set up.
[20:04] <MichealH> What was the host ans my username again?
[20:05] <MichealH> I know my pass
[20:05] <MichealH> But not the host + username
[20:07] <Muscovy> ubuntutour<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:07] <Muscovy> That silly thing.
[20:08] <Muscovy> If you can, just as a warning, make sure you have a local copy of recent changes.
[20:08] <Muscovy> I may or may not have to bulk-revert oddities.
[20:10] <MichealH> I started again
[20:10] <MichealH> It looks more liek ubuntu.com now
[20:14] <MichealH> It looks, to put it in a way... Stunning!
[20:18] <MichealH> Muscovy: Wanna screenshot? :D
[20:44] <UndiFineD> ...
[20:44] <UndiFineD> darkness
[20:44] <MichealH> UndiFineD: Intrested in the website?
[20:44] <Muscovy> I'd like to see it. :D
[20:44] <MichealH> Want a screenie?
[20:44] <MichealH> :D
[20:44] <UndiFineD> sure
[20:44] <Muscovy> Sure.
[20:46]  * MichealH screams WINDOWS IS *NOT* GREAT AT PRINT SCREENS
[20:46]  * MichealH hides
[20:46] <UndiFineD> oh man
[20:46] <UndiFineD> get away from that platform
[20:46] <jasono> UndiFineD is not a good person.
[20:46] <UndiFineD> it only causes you grieve
[20:47] <UndiFineD> MichealH, which hosting do you use ?
[20:47] <MichealH> http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/443/tourwebsite.png
[20:47] <MichealH> Fow what?
[20:47] <MichealH> My website?
[20:48] <MichealH> Or for my loclahost stuff?
[20:48] <MichealH> *localhost
[20:48] <UndiFineD> heh
[20:49] <MichealH> It look good? :P
[20:50] <Muscovy> I like it. :D
[20:51] <UndiFineD> yes, looks good MichealH
[20:51] <MichealH> Its gonna have a blog, a sort of forum for discussion and potential bug reports ect. all hand coded by meh :)
[20:52] <MichealH> It should be done for Feb?
[20:52] <Muscovy> That would be great.
[20:53] <MichealH> If not it will be done before my birthday
[20:53] <MichealH> I am saying the Beta should be out by Feb
[20:53] <MichealH> And used globally
[20:54] <MichealH> But on My bday heavy development stops
[20:54] <MichealH> Thats my goals
[20:54] <MichealH> :D
[20:54] <MichealH> BTW, my Bithday is 03/03
[20:54] <MichealH> HOPEFULLY released fully by then :D
[20:55] <MichealH> Muscovy: Can you please put phpmyadmin in your webserver :P
[20:55] <MichealH> So then I dont have to wast my time with silly SQL :P
[20:57] <MichealH> 4 kB ATM :P
[23:57] <AndrewMC> ubuntutour.org is down right now actually


[05:06] <paddy_melon> can anyone get me a dump in XML of the Ubuntu wiki?
[05:06] <paddy_melon> is that possible?
[05:06] <paddy_melon> like the dumps of Wikipedia?
[05:16] <paddy_melon> Any ideas?
[05:17] <paddy_melon> Anyone?
[05:30] <paddy_melon> can anyone get me a dump in XML of the Ubuntu wiki?
[05:30] <paddy_melon>  is that possible?
[05:30] <paddy_melon>  like the dumps of Wikipedia?
[05:30] <paddy_melon> come on guys
[05:35] <nigel_nb> paddy_melon: I'm not sure I understand what you want
[05:36] <nigel_nb> but the best course of action would be ask in the mailing list
[05:37] <paddy_melon> nigel_nb... I want to sort of... mirror the wiki of Ubuntu
[05:37] <paddy_melon> and need the XML dump
[05:38] <paddy_melon> if I have an OP or admin of the wiki, they can do it in one click
[05:38] <nigel_nb> I have no clue how its done, but if its of any help, we use moinmoin, you could search with that
[05:52] <paddy_melon> I just need an admin/op on the site... r u an admin or op?
[05:53] <nigel_nb> nope
[05:53] <nigel_nb> I'm just a contributor
[05:53] <nigel_nb> thats why I said you'd have bettter luck asking in the mailing list
[06:11] <paddy_melon> ok
[06:11] <paddy_melon> thanks
[06:12] <nigel_nb> paddy_melon: no problem :)
[14:03] <ebel> is there anyway to download the ubuntu wiki?
[21:56] <nhandler> I added a section to the system docs for karmic about adding a PPA to /etc/apt/sources.list. Do you think we should update that section to suggest using
[21:57] <nhandler> I added a section to the system docs for karmic about adding a PPA to /etc/apt/sources.list. Do you think we should update that section to suggest using
[21:57] <nhandler>                      add-apt-repository (which lets you do sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nhandler/ppa), which also takes care of downloading the key for the PPA
[21:57] <nhandler> (sorry, failed copy/paste)
[22:27] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, any changes like that should go into lucid docs
[22:28] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, also, unless it's targeted for the serverguide, it may be better to explain how to do it from Software Sources rather than CLI
[22:30] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Yeah, it would be for lucid docs. And the issue with Software Sources is that it doesn't fetch the GPG Key. I also think there is an explanation right above my section talking about that. My section was specifically for PPAs, where add-apt-repository is the easiest and most efficient option
[22:32] <Rocket2DMn> yeah nhandler , i think you have to add it explicitly from Authentication
[23:47] <Rocket2DMn> Anybody seen mdke recently?


[03:22] <yano> https://youtu.be/ZTWQLWj1uoU
[03:22] <jenni> [ aldi song - YouTube ] - https://j.mp/1Gm1k1J
[22:00] <Unit193> Happy Thanksgiving, Ohio!


[09:49] <bazhang> "need help ubutnu plz"  yields 5trillion results, did you mean to search for "help ubuntu"?
[09:58] <bazhang> it changed some things in kernel??
[09:58] <bazhang> seriously?
[10:08] <bazhang> tsimpson, he's crossposting that in #ubuntu as well and we informed him to register earlier
[10:35] <bazhang> lolipop seems to be extremely ill informed, or just deliberately making things up
[10:37] <bazhang> @mark #ubuntu [lolipop] (~joel@<IP_ADDRESS>): joel   cursing , ill-informed rants/complaints offtopic
 wilee-nilee: I'd appreciate if you would RTFM
[22:27] <bazhang> not seen that for a while


[01:41] <tgm4883> Anyone looking for a Systems Engineer position around Lake Oswego? http://www.hirebridge.com/v3/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?cid=7158&jid=361638&m=0  (Don't mind that it says georgia, we've got a LKO office)
[01:41] <tgm4883> bah
[01:42] <tgm4883> this is the completely wrong channel :/
[01:42] <sarnold> which lake oswego? :) heh
[01:42] <tgm4883> This was supposed to be in the Ubuntu Oregon channel
[01:43]  * tgm4883 falls on his sword
[01:57] <patdk-lap> don't abuse the sword like that
[02:55] <arooni_______> how do i get tmux 2.1 on ubuntu 14.04 ?  it exists here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/tmux but not sure how to get it on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[02:57] <tarpman> arooni_______: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/backportpackage.1.html
[02:59] <sarnold> tarpman: coooool
[02:59] <sarnold> that saves about a thousand messages :)
[02:59]  * tarpman wonders if ubottu would let him add a factoid...
[03:01] <tarpman> sarnold: which part is new to you, backportpackage or manpages.ubuntu.com? just out of curiosity :)
[03:01] <sarnold> tarpman: backportpackage
[03:01] <arooni_______> tarpman, i found the dsc at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/224976217/tmux_2.1-2.dsc ... but i'm not really sure how i get tmux 2.1 on my system
[03:02] <tarpman> arooni_______: please read the above link and then ask a more specific question
[03:02] <arooni_______> i did read that page; i still cant figure out the command
[03:02] <tarpman> arooni_______: I don't have time to give you the step-by-step, sorry... as sarnold said, it would be a thousand messages
[03:02] <sarnold> arooni_______: "pull-lp-source tmux xenial" would grab all files needed for the source
[03:03] <tarpman> backportpackage has grabbing built in ;)
[03:03] <sarnold> it does??? clearly I skimmed too quickly :)
[03:03] <tarpman> backportpackage -s xenial -d trusty -u ppa:rtandy/somepackage-backports somepackage is usually all I need
[03:06] <arooni_______> this is as far as i've gotten: backportpackage --dont-sign -s xenial -d trusty . https://launchpadlibrarian.net/224976217/tmux_2.1-2.dsc
[03:07] <tarpman> arooni_______: so that will have made a backported source for you, and dumped it somewhere - I forget where - now you have to build it. either sign it and upload it to a ppa, or build it in a local pbuilder or sbuild
[03:08] <arooni_______> i have to do all this just to get a working version of tmux huh
[03:08] <arooni_______> its still not dropping the source anyway; its complaining "backportpackage: error: You must specify a single source package or a .dsc URL/path.
[03:08] <arooni_______> "
[03:09] <arooni_______> aah ha!  there is already a 2.1 version built on this ppa
[03:09] <arooni_______> https://launchpad.net/~pi-rho/+archive/ubuntu/dev
[03:10] <sarnold> arooni_______: what's wrong with trusty's tmux?
[03:10] <arooni_______> sarnold, i like to run the same version of tmux/fish/and other utilities across my environments .. (i use os x in addition to ubuntu)
[03:10] <sarnold> tarpman: man, thats cool. 48 seconds later I've got the built tmux package. :)
[03:10] <tarpman> :D
[03:11] <arooni_______> sarnold, what did you use for the URL/dsc?
[03:11] <sarnold> arooni_______: "backportpackage tmux -b -B sbuild -w work"
[03:11] <sarnold> it defaults to grabbing from current dev, defaults to building for the current target
[03:12] <arooni_______> ah so i had the command all wrong
[03:12] <arooni_______> i wish that man pages had more examples
[03:13] <tarpman> I'm sure the ubuntu-dev-tools maintainers would happily accept contributions :)
[03:40] <B0bsF1sh> With netflow collecting, what moves the flow files from the collection directory /dev/shm/ into the capture directory /opt/netflow/capture/ ? I'm getting data collected in the former but not captured in the latter, but I don't know what to check for troubleshooting.
[03:40] <B0bsF1sh> I followed the instructions here: http://wvnetflow.sourceforge.net/INSTALL.ubuntu
[04:03] <patdk-lap> why aren't you asking #wvnetflow
[04:04] <patdk-lap> that isn't even a package offered at any level by ubuntu
[04:53] <arooni-mobile> how can i stop my ssh agent from always offering my ~/.ssh/id_rsa key even when in my ssh config i specify for a given hostname; to use a different ssh key ?  https://gist.github.com/arooni/55731accce5fea4a4eb1  ?
[05:00] <patdk-lap> -i
[05:16] <arooni-mobile> fixed it
[14:46] <B0bsF1sh> patdk-lap: There's a #wvnetflow?  wow, ok thanks. --->
[14:46] <B0bsF1sh> Except there isn't. I thought I could get some general linux help from people that may have used netflow
[17:16] <Voyage> I might be sllightly off topic but can anyone help? http://pastie.org/10701958#12-13
[19:49] <yeats> Voyage: looks to be the same issue as https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=808466


[17:22] <romare> trying to install lubuntu
[17:22] <romare> The ext4 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed.
[17:22] <romare> got this error
[17:23] <romare> what would that be? of course I googled it but no solution
[18:54] <testdr> romare: that looks like there is no partition table -- more info?
[18:58] <romare> testdr what do you mean? forgive me, I'm really new to it
[18:58] <romare> I clicked "do something else" and new there's a free space
[18:58] <testdr> romare: its what i said -- such error can be triggered if the writing is not possible
[18:58] <romare> with 40GB
[18:59] <romare> you mean it's hardware-related?
[19:00] <testdr> romare: could be - but you can create such things. If you install from an usb-stick - first dont do the install, run the live-version and try to partiition and format your medium, where you want to install later --this is to check for errors. Without errors its not necessary.
[19:02] <romare> shall I format it in what type? ext4?
[19:02] <romare> I'm running it on cd right now
[19:03] <testdr> romare: yes - and mount it then from your running ubuntu-live-version and check it works -- same goes for all your hardware if you dont know.
[19:03] <romare> I'm so sorry, what do you mean by mounting?
[19:04] <romare> ok it's formatting. gosh looks like it'll take too much time
[19:04] <testdr> romare: if you have a faulty harddisk - you may have to run a "badblocks"-check and if there are a lot of errors you may need a replacement
[19:05] <testdr> romare: if formating takes a lot of time - check the error logs like syslog, kern.log -- and if there are a lot of read/write errors and timeouts for this drive .. it may be old and defective
[19:06] <romare> it's pretty old, but I'm quite sure there's no problem with the disc
[19:06] <romare> I need to know how to check those logs
[19:07] <testdr> romare: the logs are in /var/log    and i already had a faulty drive with defect cables - changing the cables was the repair - but i too had defect drives with defect drive-head
[19:08] <testdr> romare: this is only a check - it only proves where to look for errors and maybe the cause, why the installation breaks at that point
[19:12] <romare> can't find a HFS filesystem on dev sda2
[19:13] <romare> this is what I saw couple of times in the logs
[19:15] <romare> I've tried installing arch linux a week ago, I remember I typed shitloads of commands with "sda"
[19:15] <romare> I wonder if that fucked it up
[19:33] <testdr> romare: sometimes it helps to blank the first part of harddisk and create a new partition -- you know how to blank sda with dd command?
[19:34] <romare> no
[19:34] <romare> :(
[19:34] <romare> I'm super new
[19:34] <testdr> romare:  and always remember - old data will be lost! You need a backup!
[19:34] <romare> I'm not concerned about the data. it's an old computer that I'm not using
[19:35] <osho0000> hi guys i can't get the speed of the momory of my laptop with sudo dmidecode | grep -A 15 Memory nor with sudo lshw -short -C memory
[19:36] <testdr> romare: if you dont need anything from your first harddisk sda, then you can blank it in a linux terminal/console as root (or with sudo) with this:     dd    if=/dev/zero    of=/dev/sda          and after some harddisk-action you can terminate it with   ctrl/strg-c   or use the count-option  (  count=10000 ) to stop it after such number of writen blocks
[19:38] <testdr> osho0000: check the bios settings -- and from the boot-meny try the "memtest" program -- it will display the timing it can measure
[19:39] <osho0000> so, i must go in the Bios?
[19:40] <testdr> osho0000: normaly the compute-boot will show bios-messages about such things - but if bios is set to boot quick, you have no time to read it (humans are too slow)
[20:04] <romare> testdr, thank you so much for all the answers
[20:13] <osho0000> redwolf in the bios i can't find the mhz od the ram
[20:15] <osho0000> only the size
[20:15] <redwolf> in the BIOS?
[20:16] <redwolf> well, that will depend on your computer and core version
[20:16] <redwolf> but osho0000, if you want to know your memory and other physical things about your computer use Hardware Profiler
[20:17] <osho0000> it is a program?
[20:19] <testdr> romare: if you install for a special language setting - then it may help to cut the internet during the first install and install language-parts later, after you are shure the install works
[20:23] <romare> testdr, I installed and restarted it. now it won't boot to lubuntu. it says "out of range" (it's the monitor's interface) for a while and then screen goes dark and the led of the monitor becomes orange.
[20:26] <testdr> romare: yes - could happen with some hardware. Does it work to switch to a console with      ctrl/strg alt F1   (all pressed together)
[20:27] <romare> forgive me, what is strg?
[20:28] <romare> oh oh okay
[20:28] <romare> at what screen should I press them?
[20:28] <testdr> romare: the same like "ctrl" .. some keyboards have this written on --its the key left from alt
[20:31] <romare> nothing works
[20:33] <testdr> romare:  then reboot and in the grub-boot-menu select the repair option to boot into the non-graphic-screen --- looks like your install uses a setting for a wrong monitor or graka-output. You know what graphic-card is used?
[20:33] <testdr> romare: to get into the boot-menu (if it is not enabled to pop up) press Shift-key at booting
[20:34] <Chaotic_Fear> Heya. How can I make desktop notifications play an alert sound in Lubuntu? Google has failed me.
[20:37] <testdr> romare: the menu-entry in the gub-boot-menu is in an submenu called "extended" or advanced and there it is called "recovery mode"
[20:38] <testdr> romare: if you can use google for more infos - there are web-hints with images how to get into the ubuntu recovery mode and reset drivers like a wrong graphic-card-driver
[20:48] <cimbakahn> Hello!
[20:48] <cimbakahn> Does Lubuntu come with PPAs when it is first installed?
[20:49] <cimbakahn> How fast is Lubuntu?
[20:52] <krytarik> cimbakahn: Nope.  Very.
[20:52] <Unit193> No official Ubuntu flavor does.
[20:53] <cimbakahn> You mean no official flavor in the Ubuntu camp comes with PPAs, correct?
[20:54] <cimbakahn> And it is very fast, yes?
[20:55] <testdr> cimbakahn: if you speak about 32bit-enhanced memory usage for old computers - only very old ones had it enabled, its a kernel-build thing
[20:55] <testdr> cimbakahn: a think ubuntu-10.04 or 8.04 32bit had it as default
[20:56] <cimbakahn> I just want a operating system that is lite on CPU and resorce usage.
[20:56] <cimbakahn> resource
[20:57] <testdr> cimbakahn: sorry -- what you tink is PPA -- do i understand it wrong?
[20:58] <Unit193> testdr: PPA == Personal Package Archive (or something like that.)
[21:01] <testdr> Unit193: thanks .. right -- i thought (why? dont know) its the access to extended memory in old 32bit mode
[21:01] <Unit193> testdr: Tjat
[21:01] <Unit193> Erm..
[21:01] <Unit193> That's PAE.
[21:01] <cimbakahn> A PPA is what you paste into your sources to be able to get extra programs that normally don't come with the distro.  <---- These PPAs is what i wanted to know about.
[21:01] <testdr> Unit193: yes .. thats the 3 chars .. i got into mind
[21:02] <romare> testdr I press shift but it won't work
[21:03] <romare> fuck I gotta walk my dog
[21:03] <romare> it's not a good day
[21:04] <Unit193> romare: No cursing please.
[21:05] <testdr> romare:  you have a "long way" to fix it, first check this for press SHIFT at boot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[21:07] <testdr> romare:  a single press of SHIFT is not enough -- you have to keep it down or click it all the time at boot
[21:48] <romare> it's cancer. I stop now
[21:48] <romare> for a long time.


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[04:55] <locodir-user> i guys, i have a cuestion
[04:56] <locodir-user> i have a viewsonic and a princeton monitor, and my princeton monitor sometimes goes black  and says that is out of frecuenzy
[04:56] <locodir-user> can anyone help me with that?
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[16:44] <czajkowski> paultag: ping
[16:44] <paultag> czajkowski: pong
[16:45] <paultag> czajkowski: good $time_of_day, friend
[16:45] <czajkowski> paultag: *HUGS* MISS YOU!!!!!!!!
[16:45] <paultag> awwwwww!
[16:45] <paultag> czajkowski: *hug* miss you too
[16:45] <paultag> czajkowski: what's new?
[16:45] <czajkowski> paultag: we reall have to have a G+ hangout and catch up sometime
[16:45] <czajkowski> namely when I've a bottle of jd in me!
[16:46] <czajkowski> paultag: GOT A NEW GALAXY NEXUS
[16:46] <paultag> totally!
[16:46] <czajkowski> oops caps
[16:46] <paultag> czajkowski: NICE!
[16:46] <czajkowski> VERY :D
[16:59] <mhall119> exceptional!
[16:59] <czajkowski> mhall119: brilliant!
[17:00] <paultag> perspicacious@
[17:00] <paultag> s/@/!/g
[17:00] <mhall119> I don't have the right accent for "brilliant"
[17:00] <mhall119> +1 paultag
[17:00] <czajkowski> mhall119: had ribs at the weekend, spoilt by yours no where near as nice
[17:00] <mhall119> czajkowski: I didn't even know they *had*  BBQ over there
[17:00] <czajkowski> course!
[17:01] <czajkowski> we even have kettles that plug into the wall and are electric too :p
[17:01] <mhall119> is it like biscuits, where it's called the same thing, but really something totally different?
[17:01] <czajkowski> no ribs do exist you loon
[17:01] <mhall119> I meant BBQ
[17:01] <mhall119> :P
[17:01] <czajkowski> yup
[17:01] <czajkowski> not like yours though the falling off the bone and soo tasty
[17:01] <czajkowski> tasty but never falls off the bone
[17:02] <czajkowski> mhall119: I need to invade again
[17:02] <mhall119> yes you do
[17:03]  * mhall119 will give aid and comfort in the event of an invasion
[17:03] <czajkowski> :D
[17:03] <czajkowski> and blake hugs :D
[17:04] <czajkowski> huats: did you enjoy the game at the weekend :)
[19:41] <JanC> ha, wait until Belgium climbs a bit higher on the world rankings of the IRB  ;)
[19:43] <czajkowski> it's always good to have more teams taking part
[19:43] <JanC> well, Belgium's last match went very well (58-3 or something like that against The Netherlands)
[19:44] <paultag> come back when y'all can play baseball
[19:44] <JanC> in the ENC
[19:44] <JanC> hehe
[19:45] <paultag> ;)
[19:45] <JanC> there *are* baseball teams in Belgium, but I'm pretty sure there are no professional players...
[19:45] <JanC> and most professional rugby players on the Belgian team play in the French competition
[19:46] <czajkowski> cool
[19:49] <JanC> but at least we are good in cyclocross (and cycling in general), cycling in general, "korfbal" (translates to basket ball, but it isn't that), triatlon, snowboarding and some other sports  ;)
[19:50] <czajkowski> paultag: in my uni folks play softball a lot
[19:50] <czajkowski> and compete all over ireland
[19:50] <czajkowski> really taken off
[19:50] <paultag> that's grand
[19:50] <paultag> baseball is fun
[19:50] <paultag> go sox!
[19:50] <czajkowski> go shoes :)
[19:51] <paultag> czajkowski: how can you *not* like the red sox? You spent time in new hampshire, you're *IRISH* for god's sake, and they're clearly the best team on the planet.
[19:52] <czajkowski> no liek or dislike just dont know one from the other :)
[19:52] <Pendulum> paultag: +1
[19:52] <czajkowski> Pendulum: heerrro
[19:52] <paultag> see? Pendulum knows what's up
[19:55] <JanC> oh, and Belgium has a world champion boxing since a couple of weeks (women's lightweights title)
[19:55] <czajkowski> paultag: Pendulum is rather smart
[19:55] <paultag> I totally agree
[19:56] <Pendulum> JanC: I can't think of any Belgian baseball players, either
[19:56] <JanC> hehe
[19:56] <Pendulum> There are some Dutch ones
[19:57] <JanC> we have some well-known female basketball players though
[19:59] <JanC> best known is probably Ann Wauters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Wauters
[19:59] <JanC> as she played in the WNBA
[20:00] <JanC> apparently plays there again after her pregnancy (for Seattle Storm)
[20:00] <paultag> wow
[20:01] <paultag> I had no idea the WNBA was still around, I don't hear much from them these days
[20:07] <JanC> apparently korfbal is translated to "korfball" in English  ;)
[20:08] <paultag> hahahaha, whaa?
[20:08] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korfball
[20:08] <JanC> it's one of the only sports played with mixed male/female teams
[20:09] <JanC> and most years The NEtherlands is world champion, with Belgium winning silver
[20:09] <JanC> unless Belgium is world champion and The NEtherlands win silver  ;)
[20:09] <paultag> interesting


[06:20] <magespawn> Morning all you bright and early peeps.
[06:21] <bakuman> goede more
[06:38] <kbmonkey> more o/
[07:12] <magespawn> Hey what's up this morning?
[07:19] <KilosX> good morning all
[07:23] <KilosX> Maaz, hi
[07:23] <Maaz> Hello KilosX
[07:26] <magespawn> KilosX good day to you.
[07:31] <KilosX> xubuntu might make a good server
[07:31] <KilosX> nm works much faster than maverick
[07:32] <magespawn> Do not like it for a desktop though?
[07:32] <KilosX> hi amanica long time no see
[07:33] <KilosX> i like gnomes desktop more. in x you gotta hunt for stuff
[07:34] <superfly> morning magespawn, KilosX, kbmonkey
[07:34] <KilosX> like places and preferences and admin. they kinda hidden
[07:34] <KilosX> hi superfly
[07:34] <magespawn> Did you do a complete xubuntu install?
[07:34] <KilosX> monkey not here
[07:34] <magespawn> Morning superfly
[07:34] <KilosX> yip magespawn and updated
[07:35] <KilosX> but its already giving popups there are more updates
[07:35] <magespawn> Maybe install the gnome on top
[07:35] <superfly> KilosX: they all do
[07:35] <KilosX> 148m data download
[07:36] <KilosX> superfly, ?
[07:37] <KilosX> do what?
[07:37] <superfly> KilosX: no matter what distro you use, they all constantly look for, and have, updates
[07:38] <magespawn> You can lock the updates and also only take security or critical updates
[07:38] <KilosX> oh that ya. was meaning that its only 2 weeks since update upgrade and now theres another 50m
[07:39] <KilosX> i have switched off updates but the stupid boot-repair somehow saw there are new ones
[07:39] <KilosX> now i boot-repair offline
[07:39] <KilosX> boot-repair is a wonderful tool
[07:44] <magespawn> That it is
[07:48] <magespawn> I am getting request time out on a ping over my Adsl, very strange
[07:48] <KilosX> from who magespawn ?
[07:48] <KilosX> irc?
[07:49] <magespawn> No I noticed I was waiting for pages to load so I pinged Google
[07:49] <KilosX> ah
[07:51] <KilosX> lol gotta funny sound here. couldnt find the bloep on maverick but imported all the other sounds to here
[07:51] <KilosX> now channel messages go peeeeoooo
[07:52] <magespawn> Okay then.
[08:04] <magespawn> Okay and that KilosX?
[08:05] <KilosX> ticked the detach goodie in settings to see what detaches
[08:06] <KilosX> lol tried to close only the detached window and all went
[08:06] <magespawn> Ahh right.
[08:15] <magespawn> Man this irksome, Adsl spee is all over the place, fell like it is 1999
[08:15] <magespawn> Speed even
[08:15] <KilosX> lol
[08:28] <KilosX> lo inetpro
[08:32] <KilosX> hi queery
[08:32] <queery> hi oom KilosX
[08:32] <queery> whats up with the X?
[08:33] <KilosX> methinks a plugin beit python or perl isnt installed properly
[08:34] <KilosX> on xchat
[08:34] <KilosX> trying to find it in synaptic
[08:36] <magespawn> Found this for those on mweb https://www.facebook.com/MWEB/posts/393461210672928
[08:38] <magespawn> Was beginning to think it was me
[08:47] <KilosX> ah penny dropped. using xubuntu natty queery
[08:48] <queery> haha
[09:15] <KilosX> bbl
[10:03] <magespawn> Later all
[10:22] <Kilos> hmm ubuntu.mirror.ac.za is kinda sick
[10:23] <Kerbero> ai
[10:23] <Kerbero> not again
[10:23] <Kilos> 458k/s
[10:23] <Kilos> eish
[10:23] <Kilos> 458b/s
[10:23] <Kilos> and then stops for a while
[10:24] <Kerbero> seems fine here
[10:24] <Kilos> strange
[10:24] <Kilos> must be vodacom
[10:25] <Kilos> just gone to 658B/s
[10:30] <Kilos> Fetched 194kB in 10min 14s (315B/s)
[10:30] <Kilos> sigh
[10:31] <Kilos> bbl
[13:59] <queery1985> bad interwebs
[14:27] <Kilos> was that when you were born queery1985
[15:12] <kbmonkey> hello o/
[15:13] <kbmonkey> cocooncrash, are you around, I have an Ibid question...
[15:17] <tumbleweed> kbmonkey: I recommend #ibid on atrum
[15:17] <Banlam> crashed cocoon could almost  be the name of an ubuntu release
[15:18] <kbmonkey> ten-4 that tumbleweed
[15:33] <Kilos> hi sakhi hometime
[15:43] <Kilos> bbl
[17:41] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey superfly and others
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[17:41] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[17:41] <Kilos> hi morgs
[17:42] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:55] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos superfly
[17:56] <kbmonkey> bmg505,
[17:56] <kbmonkey> sakhi, Tonberry and psydroid
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <Kilos> you winning laddy
[17:57] <Kilos> yo magespawn
[17:57] <Tonberry> what did i do?
[17:57] <Tonberry> oh
[17:57] <Tonberry> hi
[17:57] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn
[17:58] <magespawn> Howdy Kilos, kbmonkey and others
[17:58] <kbmonkey> I hope you did nothing bad Tonberry :p
[17:59] <magespawn> gc coffee on
[17:59]  * gc starts grinding coffee
[17:59] <kbmonkey> gc coffee please
[17:59] <gc> kbmonkey: Yessir
[17:59] <kbmonkey> gc romany creams?
[17:59] <gc> kbmonkey: Huh?
[17:59] <kbmonkey> gc romany creams please
[17:59] <gc> kbmonkey: Sorry...
[18:00] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:00] <psydroid> hi kbmonkey
[18:00] <magespawn> kbmonkey I have git my second program done
[18:00] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[18:00] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[18:00] <magespawn> git  or got whichever
[18:00] <magespawn> Hi psydroid
[18:00] <kbmonkey> :D
[18:01] <psydroid> hi Tonberry
[18:01] <kbmonkey> cool magespawn
[18:01] <psydroid> hi superfly
[18:01] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you got your greeter bot working?
[18:01] <kbmonkey> writing some Python now meself
[18:01] <kbmonkey> Im learning the system a bit first Kilos
[18:01] <Kilos> ah
[18:02] <kbmonkey> may have it done by a little later :)
[18:03] <gc> Coffee's ready for magespawn and kbmonkey!
[18:03] <kbmonkey> gc danke
[18:03] <gc> kbmonkey: Huh?
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <magespawn> Thank you bc
[18:04] <magespawn> Thank you bc
[18:04] <magespawn> Thank you gc
[18:05] <magespawn> Touch screens and auto correct
[18:05] <magespawn> tv thank you
[18:05] <magespawn> gc thank you
[18:05] <gc> magespawn: np
[18:07] <kbmonkey> gx thanks
[18:07] <kbmonkey> gc, than
[18:07] <gc> kbmonkey: What?
[18:07] <magespawn> My next chapter in the book is Branching and while loops.
[18:07] <kbmonkey> meh, im moving too fast :p
[18:09] <Kilos> you two are really struggling tonight
[18:10] <Kilos> inetpro, why so quiet
[18:22] <superfly> hi psydroid
[18:23] <superfly> magespawn: which book are you using?
[18:23] <magespawn> Guide to Programming with Python by Michael Dawson
[18:39] <magespawn> Why superfly?
[18:39] <superfly> magespawn: just wondering. In my opinion, the best book to learn python with is probably A Byte of Python
[18:39] <bakuman> the internetz
[18:41] <magespawn> Do have the PDF version of that one, this is a hard copy, I like toread through the chapter first then do all the exercises.
[18:41] <magespawn> This one also seemed a bit more basic to start with.
[18:42] <Squirm> I think I have A byte of Python somewhere
[18:43] <Squirm> hmm, nevermind
[18:43] <magespawn> The one I have is only 110pages is that the same one?
[18:44] <Kilos> ya looks like
[18:45] <Squirm> http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/files/120/byteofpython_120.pdf
[18:45] <Kilos> oh mine is only 99 pages
[18:46] <magespawn> Does anyone here actively program in python?
[18:46] <Kilos> no it is 110
[18:47] <Kilos> yes the fly
[18:47] <Kilos> and the crash kid
[18:47] <bakuman> i do as well, but not big projects
[18:47] <Kilos> magespawn, have you see 365
[18:48] <magespawn> No what's that?
[18:48] <Squirm> I used to, but just for personal gain, nothing big
[18:48] <magespawn> What ide do guys use?
[18:48] <Kilos> im trying to member its some thing the fly is writing in python
[18:48] <Kilos> something 365
[18:49] <Kilos> superfly, give your links please
[18:49] <Squirm> magespawn: I never used any. my programs ran in a terminal session.
[18:49] <Squirm> so nothing exciting
[18:49] <Squirm> well, exciting, but not pretty :P
[18:49] <superfly> Kilos: oh the blog? I haven't looked at that in MONTHS
[18:50] <magespawn> I am doing this on windows at the moment using Idle, on my ubuntu I use Eric.
[18:50] <Kilos> ya but then the guys can get an idea superfly
[18:50] <superfly> magespawn: when I'm not digging in C++, C and Assembler, I'm doing Python
[18:50] <superfly> magespawn: http://openlp.org/ is written in Python
[18:50] <magespawn> Working my way up from here.
[18:50] <Kilos> i though i gave the link to maaz but i dont find it
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: http://code365.info/
[18:51] <Kilos> ya code365
[18:51] <Kilos> magespawn, ^^
[18:51] <magespawn> Open source?  Trying all sorts just to see which I like.
[18:54] <Kilos> ty superfly
[18:54] <magespawn> Geeky is gedit
[18:55] <bakuman> vim and emacs is nice if you go through the trouble of learning all the shortcut keys
[18:55] <superfly> magespawn: everything I do in my personal capacity is open source
[18:55] <superfly> http://launchpad.net/scribeengine
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: heh
[18:58] <Kilos> naand boetie gaan dit goed?
[18:58] <inetpro> Kilos: ok en jy
[18:58] <Kilos> goed dankie inetpro
[19:02] <magespawn> superfly thought better to ask than assume. I think most of that stuff is a little ahead of my skills at the moment.
[19:02] <superfly> magespawn: you never know until you dive in ;-)
[19:03] <magespawn> True.
[19:04] <inetpro> superfly: what IDE do you use?
[19:05] <inetpro> good evening evryone
[19:05] <superfly> inetpro: Eric
[19:05] <superfly> though these days I've moved to PyCharm for OpenLP - we got an open source license
[19:06] <inetpro> interesting
[19:06] <inetpro> with dependancies like bicyclerepair
[19:07] <magespawn> Everbody know Star Wars?
[19:08] <Kilos> the movies?
[19:08] <Kilos> and series?
[19:08] <magespawn> Yup
[19:08] <Kilos> on the idiot box
[19:08] <magespawn> No series
[19:08] <magespawn> Jsut the movies.
[19:08] <Kilos> i have a few here
[19:08] <Banlam> are you asking do people know about the start wars movies?
[19:09]  * bakuman and Banlam have 1-6 in HD
[19:09] <Banlam> what a coincidence
[19:09] <magespawn> Yes again thought it better to ask than assume.
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <kbmonkey> fair to assume most of us here know about star wars :)
[19:10] <Kilos> what about them magespawn
[19:10] <magespawn> I feel like Luke on the Falcon when he first feels the force.
[19:10] <Banlam> lol
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <kbmonkey> its the mitochondria
[19:10] <Banlam> not quite
[19:11] <kbmonkey> pythocondria
[19:11] <inetpro> superfly: what is wrong with eric?
[19:11] <inetpro> looks quite nice
[19:11] <magespawn> Old Ben says " You have taken your diets steps into a wider world."
[19:11] <Banlam> midichlorians
[19:11] <superfly> inetpro: it is quite nice
[19:12] <magespawn> diets = first
[19:12] <superfly> but the code completion is brilliant, and the Python integration works just so much better in PyCharm
[19:12] <kbmonkey> gedit is nice but only after you setup some plugins and settings
[19:12] <inetpro> kbmonkey: yuck
[19:12] <kbmonkey> lol inetpro
[19:13] <inetpro> :-)
[19:13] <kbmonkey> use vim too, about 50/50 of the time
[19:13] <superfly> inetpro: I do with PyCharm would pick up all the identifiers in the file as well, like Eric does
[19:13] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I'd rather go for emacs than gedit
[19:14] <magespawn> Does anybody use Git?
[19:14] <superfly> magespawn: I do my best to avoid it
[19:15] <magespawn> Why? And what would you use instead?
[19:15] <superfly> and I generally recommend others avoid it too
[19:15] <inetpro> superfly: why?
[19:15] <superfly> magespawn: I use Bazaar. Git is overcomplicated and unnecessarily complex
[19:16] <superfly> it has too many commands, and too many ways of doing things, such that you can be told to do the same thing in 3 different ways, with apparently very good reasons for why you should do each of them
[19:17] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:17] <inetpro> so many peeps talking about GitHub
[19:18] <superfly> Never used it.
[19:19] <superfly> Apparently the code reviewing tools on GitHub are pretty good
[19:19] <superfly> But Github is cool because of Github, not Git
[19:21] <inetpro> but don't you use git to push code to github?
[19:21] <kbmonkey> yup github uses git
[19:22] <magespawn> That's what I thought
[19:22] <kbmonkey> it has a lot of commands, but it doesnt intrude on you
[19:25] <kbmonkey> superfly is right about it being complex, it was created to host the linux kernel source after all
[19:25] <magespawn> And CVS and SVN?
[19:26] <superfly> kbmonkey: I can argue, with experience, that git intrudes on you. I had more issues with Git in 6 months than I ever had with Bazaar in 4 years
[19:26] <superfly> magespawn: CVS = don't go there; Subversion = doing CVS right (but that doesn't make Subversion right)
[19:28] <magespawn> one of the programs for web sites wanted one of those can't remember which though. Had a look at a lot of programs.
[19:30] <kbmonkey> one technical difference is bzr stores changes on a file leve, whereas git stores deltas of changes
[19:30] <kbmonkey> but that differnce is academic
[19:33] <Kilos> night all you clever peeps
[19:33] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:35] <superfly> kbmonkey: in this day and age of disk space, that's hardly a point worth debating ;-)
[19:36] <kbmonkey> oh no I agree :) just pointing it out
[19:37] <kbmonkey> superfly, have you used Ibid before?
[19:37] <superfly> kbmonkey: I've been using Ibid for a while already
[19:37] <kbmonkey> asked a Q on #ibid but seems like everyone is idle
[19:38] <kbmonkey> I'm trying to receive events in the channel for joins
[19:39] <superfly> ah
[19:39] <kbmonkey> sure enough I can test for event.state/type, but my method only runs if the bot is named, or in a pvt channel
[19:39] <superfly> I think I dug around for that before... no wait, that was when I was still using Knab
[19:40] <kbmonkey> Is it possible? the debug output shows these events, I just need to receive them in my plugin class somehow
[19:58] <superfly> kbmonkey: I don't know if you'll be able to do it at the plugin level
[19:58] <superfly> kbmonkey: look for where all the IRC events are being logged to the log files, and then take it from there
[20:00] <magespawn> How would you get the bot to respond?
[20:11] <superfly> magespawn: you'd make it respond :-P
[20:12] <magespawn> superfly, no really, that's amazing.
[20:15] <kbmonkey> ah okay I'll dig through the code superfly :)
[20:18] <magespawn> Some clue as.to how would be most appreciated.lol
[20:19] <superfly> magespawn: perform an action when an event happens
[20:19] <superfly> that's pretty much how most programming works
[20:21] <magespawn> So you right a small program that checks the log every x seconds and when it finds the event it does its program
[20:24] <superfly> magespawn: you can do that if you want... kbmonkey was asking me about Ibid specifically
[20:29] <magespawn> Lots of ways to solve the same problem
[20:36] <magespawn> So change the ibid code itself?
[20:38] <superfly> magespawn: not necessarily, it depends on if the plugins have access to that level of stuff
[20:38] <superfly> magespawn: I have never hacked on Ibid, I don't know what it supports
[20:38] <superfly> magespawn: it depends totally on the tools you have, and what you want to do
[20:39] <superfly> magespawn: and having never looked at Ibid's internals, I cannot tell you what to do
[20:40] <kbmonkey> magespawn, Ibid uses a plugin system, where it loads your code. So your methods you write get run when the bot is spoken to, for example
[20:41] <magespawn> Okay I see. Ty
[20:41] <kbmonkey> then in your method, you can do various things, depending on who the message came from, and what they asked to do
[20:43] <magespawn> You might get requests you had not thought of, would you log them and add them in if required?
[20:45] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell me a story
[20:45] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Okay, I'll tell me on freenode
[20:45] <kbmonkey> oops :p
[20:45] <kbmonkey> okay well for commands that Maaz does not know, he usually says he does not understand
[20:46] <kbmonkey> my bad example used the 'tell' command by accident
[20:46] <kbmonkey> Maaz, gargleblaster
[20:46] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What?
[20:46] <kbmonkey> ^ there
[20:49] <magespawn> So there might already be a greeter plugin?
[20:49] <superfly> magespawn: no, what kbmonkey is illustrating is that Ibid is largely a send-and-response program
[20:49] <superfly> you send a query, and it responds to it
[20:50] <superfly> *send-and-respond
[20:50] <superfly> magespawn: the problem with that is that a "greeter" plugin does not conform to that design
[20:50] <superfly> a greeter would have no "send" part
[20:51] <kbmonkey> yes, without someone initiating a conversation with the bot, it cannot send a message on it's on
[20:51] <kbmonkey> own*
[20:52] <kbmonkey> this could be achieved by patching the functionality into Ibid, or by using a bot framework which does
[20:53] <kbmonkey> setting up bzr now, will ganter at the code
[20:53] <magespawn> Cool.