[13:25] <gr1dlocked> i don't have many blank cds tho
[13:25] <gr1dlocked> i'm running out of options %P
[13:25] <kadargo> its alpha2... i have to work with my machine ;)
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> i bet the kopete issue is still there, but i wonder if the libqt3mt thing is still there
[13:26] <kadargo> whats the kopete issue ? what happens ?
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> kadargo: did you get passed it through console?
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> kadargo: You know where you can change the default webcam port?
[13:26] <gr1dlocked> kadargo: Well you can change it, but for some reason kopete INSISTS on using 6891
[13:26] <kadargo> i tried some howtos i find on the net... but nothing worked
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> kadargo fix your sources.list       --> /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> then just upgrade again from console sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> after updating
[13:27] <gr1dlocked> it'll go through, but you have to put in YES or nO
[13:28] <kadargo> i dream of a world where i can install linux without handwork ;)
[13:28] <gr1dlocked> :/ i know.. buntu was SO CLOSE
[13:28] <kadargo> 6.06 was close ;)
[13:28] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:28] <risto> is there pacage for eclipse to install PDT?
[13:28] <gr1dlocked> i don't know what eclipse or pdt is
[13:29] <gr1dlocked> mercury msn is nice, but it won't detect my webcam at all :/
[13:29] <gr1dlocked> and amsn just freezes trying to connect
[13:30] <gr1dlocked> to server
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> yeah 6.06 uses less power too .. feisty makes my hard drive click
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> i think i'm going back to 6.06
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> UHG
[13:31] <gabbah> hello folks. I want to create an img of my linux installation, and put it on another partition. How can i do that?
[13:31] <gr1dlocked> unless i can get someone to show me how to install gentoo :)
[13:32] <kadargo> gentoo is easy now ;)
[13:32] <kadargo> they got livecds ;) otherwise try sabayon ;)
[13:32] <gr1dlocked> hmm
[13:32] <kadargo> sabayonlinux is gentoo based
[13:32] <kadargo> and well preconfigured ;)
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> then how come you are still working with buntu ;D
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> (just outta curiousity)
[13:33] <kadargo> gentoo is.....bleeding edge......... i have to trust my system ;)
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> oh right
[13:33] <gr1dlocked> that is what any non lts release feels like tho
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:34] <kadargo> maybe i try (hmpf) opensuse 10.3........ my last suse ver was 7.00 ;)
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> fedora?
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> yah
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> hahaha
[13:34] <kadargo> fedora got quite some long boot times
[13:34] <gr1dlocked> what about opensuse ? you lieked it?
[13:35] <voonte> Gentoo isn't that bleeding-edge if you don't use ~ARCH
[13:35] <gr1dlocked> i went from freebsd/openBSD to slackware, to redhat, to madrake, to buntu
[13:35] <kadargo> the old one... yes... but till 10.2 the boot time was very long... but now with 10.3 they said its much faster ;)
[13:35] <gr1dlocked> hrmm
[13:35] <kadargo> mandrake is cool... i like metisse ;)
[13:35] <gr1dlocked> well it was mandrive when i used it
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> mandriva*
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> long time ago
[13:36] <kadargo> yeah...ok .... mandriva
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> lol
[13:36] <kadargo> mandrake was the old name
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> see i already forget
[13:36] <kadargo> before merging with connectiva
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> riiight
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> ;D
[13:36] <gr1dlocked> hrmm.. i am going to try open suse
[13:37] <kadargo> be  carefull... new artwork is green ;)
[13:37] <gr1dlocked> i like green
[13:37] <gr1dlocked> :D
[13:37] <kadargo> gooodo
[13:37] <kadargo> goood
[13:37] <gr1dlocked> green like the special herb
[13:38] <gr1dlocked> http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/iso/cd/openSUSE-10.3-GM-KDE-Live-i386.iso
[13:38] <kadargo> i dont know what you mean (roll eyes...cough cough ;))
[13:38] <gr1dlocked> hehehehhe
[13:38] <kadargo> yes.. try live ;)
[13:38] <gr1dlocked> well i think i'm gonna play some nexuiz while this downloads
[13:39] <kadargo> i will log out now.... trying 10.3..... nice to met you ;)
[13:39] <gr1dlocked> u 2 man .. see you round :)
[13:39] <fudus> I managed to uninstall the updater :P
[13:39] <fudus> go me
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> hahhahaha
[13:40] <fudus> how do i get it back? :P
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> nice one
[13:40] <fudus> i also uninstalled libc
[13:40] <fudus> that was fun
[13:40] <fudus> lesson: purge is bad
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> what was it called .. did you uninstall it via terminal or the gui
[13:40] <fudus> purged cupsys
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> :/
[13:40] <fudus> ended up removing everything
[13:40] <fudus> libc adept udpater :P
[13:40] <gr1dlocked> eek
[13:41] <gr1dlocked> *goes back to game of nexuiz
[13:41] <gr1dlocked> :P
[13:41] <gr1dlocked> gl
[13:44] <romunov> haha, check out the xmess card: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/wrhcard.jpg
[13:44] <fudus> going to stay in add/remove progs now like a good linux newb :(
[13:49] <fudus> how do i stop join/quit showing up in kopete?
[13:51] <posingaspopular> hey all i installed some program to monitor my traffic in and out on my computer, but i cant remember what it's called. it's not wireshark, but can anyone guess?
[14:00] <FSHero> posingaspopular: I don't know if this is what you need... but I use bmon. It's a command line based monitor of network interfaces.
[14:01] <FSHero> I use it to monitor my wireless network speeds and the data transferred.
[14:09] <posingaspopular> hmm
[14:09] <posingaspopular> works for me
[14:09] <posingaspopular> thanks FSHero
[14:09] <virtual> how can you set it so that the mouse wheel scroll always goes one page down?
[14:09] <virtual> All i can do is set it to 12 maximum, and i'd like it to scroll a page down always
[14:09] <posingaspopular> virtual: you mean for desktops?
[14:10] <FSHero> posingaspopular: np; glad I could help!
[14:10] <virtual> i mean like in windows control panel/mouse/wheel there is an option to set wheel to "one screen at a time"
[14:10] <virtual> all i can do in kubuntu is set it to 12 max
[14:11] <FSHero> virtual: I don't know about pages: but I bet you could change some sort of configuration file. Which one I don't know, however. Sorry.
[14:12] <virtual> how can i add kcontrol to the kde menu?
[14:12] <virtual> i don't like settings in kubuntu
[14:13] <FSHero> virtual: I guess that you could right-click the K-menu, click Menu Editor, then choose a category on the LHS into which you want to place the shortcut...
[14:13] <FSHero> ... then click File --> New Item --> Type a name e.g. "KControl", then click next...
[14:14] <FSHero> ... In the command box for the newly-created item, type kcontrol and finally click File --> Save.
[14:15] <FSHero> Does anyone know how to change the 'sensitivity' of the mouse?  Merry XMas
[14:17] <FSHero> BluesKaj: which one? "clever" or "rich"?
[14:17] <FSHero> BluesKaj: I kid, I kid!
[14:17] <FSHero> Okay, question time: Does anyone know how to change the 'sensitivity' of the mouse? Not the acceleration factor (I turned acceleration off anyway), but how much the pointer moves for a given mouse movement.
[14:17] <BluesKaj> yeah Merry Christmas To All !
[14:18] <bazhang> you too!
[14:18] <usr002> Well mates after trying to install ati proprietary drivers for my radeon hd 2400 hd
[14:19] <BluesKaj> FSHero, ... both , I'm an old retired guy on fixed income so i belong to the ATI onboard graphics club , no fancy schmancy stuff for this guy :)
[14:19] <usr002> and reading the forums and wiki and i don't know what
[14:19] <usr002> more
[14:20] <BluesKaj> what isn't working , usr002 ?
[14:20] <usr002> ati
[14:20] <usr002> lol
[14:21] <virtual> how can i run as sudo all the time so i don't get any prompts anymore?
[14:21] <blizzzek> hi
[14:21] <llutz> virtual: you don't want to do that
[14:22] <llutz> virtual: if, sudo -s
[14:23] <farooq_m23> hi
[14:24] <lightman> hi room, anyone know what error 2 is for the grub loader
[14:24] <posingaspopular> hi farooq_m23
[14:24] <hannes_> how can I gain root rights in desktop mode? I mean if i want to edit config files or something like that
[14:24] <BluesKaj> AMD releases Catalyst 7.12 drivers, but only for Redhat and Suse
[14:24] <posingaspopular> !sudo | hannes_
[14:25] <ubotu> hannes_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[14:25] <pag> hannes_, for configfiles: kdesu kate /path/to/file
[14:25] <pag> !kdesudo
[14:25] <ubotu> In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[14:25] <hannes_> so I can only do it in terminal or what?
[14:26] <lightman> anyone know how to fix grub loader for dual boot system, i get error 2 on boot up...
[14:26] <hannes_> if I browse to the files in dolphin there's no way of opening them by double clicking and then editing it?
[14:28] <bazhang> lightman: want a factoid on that?
[14:28] <pag> hannes_, if your dolphin is opened as root user (which it shouldn't ever be) then (double?)clicking will open in root editor - otherwise kdesudo kate  is probably one of the easiest ways
[14:28] <lightman> whats that bazhang
[14:28] <bazhang> !grub | lightman
[14:28] <ubotu> lightman: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:29] <hannes_> okay, thanks
[14:29] <lightman> ok thanks will have a read...
[14:29] <pag> hannes_, in konqueror, if you right click on text file, there is "edit as root" option in Actions.. maybe Dolphin supports that as well..
[14:31] <DreadKnight> yes, dolphin has edit as root action
[14:31] <hannes_> I don't think dolphin has that feature
[14:31] <hannes_> it has?
[14:31] <DreadKnight> yup, use it all the time
[14:31] <hannes_> but I don't see it by right clicking on files
[14:31] <Hamra> i have a question about the kde 4 live cd mentioned in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , can we install kde4 from it, or just try it?
[14:31] <fudus> in konqueror how can i do sesssion restore like firefox?
[14:32] <Jeroi> lol
[14:32] <hannes_> oh, my bad, it's there alright :)
[14:32] <DreadKnight> fudus: well, in kde4 konqueror has the undo close tab feature..
[14:32] <Jeroi> why peeps want to use kde4 so hard?
[14:32] <Jeroi> Wwwhy cant wait for the official package
[14:32] <Jeroi> ?
[14:32] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: because people suffer from the "quiet desktop syndrome"
[14:33] <fudus> I'm enjoying kubuntu much more than ubuntu so far :P
[14:33] <DreadKnight> fudus: me 2... made the switch a while ago
[14:33] <Jeroi> :)
[14:34] <Jeroi> fudus
[14:34] <Jeroi> you enjoy kde then not gnome
[14:34] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: thinking myself to get hardy and kde4 actually xD
[14:34] <Jeroi> I will upgrade to hardy when apt will inform mee distro update
[14:34] <DreadKnight> xD
[14:35] <Jeroi> then it will be official update
[14:36] <Jeroi> I just wonder how much programs will be better with kde4 or does they get developed at all
[14:36] <Pennycook> Okay, really need help as I've gotten myself into a huge mess.  I deleted /home/john, but had updated /etc/passwd to point at my new home folder.  I can log into the console no problem, but trying to startkde results in an error telling me to check my installation.  Help?
[14:37] <Jeroi> kde has alot to do in my opinion, before it starts to compete explorer
[14:37] <DreadKnight> well, hope kubuntu will still have amarok.. juk is nice.. but i prefer amarok..
[14:37] <Jeroi> :D
[14:37] <Jeroi> ofcourse
[14:37] <Jeroi> they are making amarok2
[14:37] <Jeroi> I thinks
[14:37] <DreadKnight> which will be cross platform
[14:37] <Jeroi> yes
[14:38] <DreadKnight> but not sure if amarok will be in the kde-multimedia package..
[14:38] <VotaN> бгг
[14:38] <Jeroi> I think no time when you install it yourself
[14:38] <VotaN> есть тут хоть один БЛЯ русский?!!!!
[14:38] <Jeroi> I just want virtualdub clone into linux
[14:38] <Jeroi> and avisynth
[14:39] <Jeroi> avisynth would be fantastic tbh to port into linux
[14:39] <jpatrick> !ru | VotaN
[14:39] <ubotu> VotaN: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:39] <Hamra> !ru | votan
[14:39] <ubotu> votan: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:39] <VotaN> esty tut hoty odin  kto govorit po 4elove4essky????
[14:39] <Jeroi> omg
[14:39] <Jeroi> they are making it
[14:39] <VotaN> TY BOT???
[14:39] <Jeroi> http://avisynth.org/AviSynth30
[14:39] <Jeroi> avisynth 3.0
[14:40] <DreadKnight> :))
[14:40] <Jeroi> for win and linux
[14:41] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: never used avisynth before...
[14:42] <DreadKnight> just hope they will use QT not GTK for the gui xD
[14:43] <Jeroi> DreadKnight
[14:43] <Hamra> hi, what is avisynth?
[14:43] <Jeroi> avisynth has never got gui
[14:43] <Jeroi> it is framserver
[14:43] <Jeroi> frameserver
[14:43] <Jeroi> you can gut, join to efects add subtiltes to video via textfile
[14:44] <tolecnal> damn kde + firefox + flash + compiz.. those four don't mix too well :/
[14:44] <Jeroi> you then open this textfile as "videofile" to mediaplayer
[14:44] <Hamra> ok
[14:44] <virtual> how do i get the winkey to open the kde menu?
[14:44] <Jeroi> and mediaplayer plays that textfile like it was real avi file
[14:45] <DreadKnight> hmm.. would be nice for the winkey to open katapult (alt+space)
[14:45] <Jeroi> and that new texfile is like 0.01kt where can be joined 3 movies, removed adds, added some text like tranlsations of some japanese signs
[14:46] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: sound neat :)
[14:46] <Jeroi> yes
[14:46] <Jeroi> I love it
[14:46] <Jeroi> it is very usefull in encoding
[14:46] <Jeroi> you build your own videofile with avisynth script, then open that script to encoder and encode it to myfile.avi
[14:46] <jpatrick> DreadKnight: I tried that but qt doesn't support Winkey alone
[14:48] <DreadKnight> jpatrick: that's... too bad... i need to clean the key to get rid of the "win" logo xD
[14:48] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: I'm looking more into it :)
[14:50] <Hamra> is there keyboards designed for linux? :P no winkey, maybe some other key(s) ? would be nice :D
[14:51] <llutz> Hamra: check cherry-keyboards, they offer a linux-one
[14:52] <DreadKnight> Hamra: i've seen people blogging about ubuntu-keyboards
[14:53] <Jeroi> :D
[14:54] <Jeroi> why cant windows keyborad fit with *buntus's?
[14:55] <DreadKnight> that key should just be called "super" and should have "spr" on it ... same principle as ctrl, alt, shift..
[14:55] <Jeroi> DreadKnight if just, MY main reason for sticking with windows was encoding, it is really hard in linux, as it misses avisynth.
[14:56] <Jeroi> but when avisynth comes, it helps encoding alot.
[14:56] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: well, on linux i'm pretty much using mencoder
[14:56] <Jeroi> yeah, but wait when you get hands on avisynth
[14:56] <Jeroi> you just need a encoder then
[14:56] <Jeroi> avisynth does the rest
[14:56] <DreadKnight> hmm
[14:56] <Jeroi> filters I mean
[14:57] <Jeroi> remove interlace
[14:57] <Jeroi> blurred
[14:57] <DreadKnight> i usually record from desktop xD
[14:57] <Jeroi> :D
[14:57] <Jeroi> well I some times make backups from dvd:s
[14:58] <Jeroi> avisynht is great when doing really super quality avi files from dvd
[14:58] <DreadKnight> nah.. life moves on :D
[14:58] <Hamra> the spr key sounds a good idea, but i dont think M$ monopoly will be happy about it. ubuntu keyboards? thats good, we can fianlly get rid of this nasty dirt on the bottom keys :P
[14:58]  * DreadKnight is scratching the "win-logo" keys
[14:59] <Jeroi> you just rip, dvd with indexer
[14:59]  * DreadKnight is scratching the "win-logo" keys
[14:59] <DreadKnight> :D
[14:59] <Jeroi> indexer makes mpeg file
[14:59] <DreadKnight> hmm
[14:59] <Jeroi> you can "mount" that file into avisynht script and edit it like the original source was a avi file
[15:00] <Jeroi> you can trim scenes off the video
[15:00] <Jeroi> add your own video to start or end or middle
[15:00] <Jeroi> resample audio
[15:00] <Jeroi> do it all
[15:00] <Jeroi> what you need
[15:00] <DreadKnight> v3 has an ETA? :D
[15:01] <Jeroi> no I think
[15:01] <Jeroi> I just wait it.
[15:01] <DreadKnight> xD damn
[15:01] <Jeroi> when it comes, I really start to think do I need windows anymore?
[15:01] <DreadKnight> i haven't used windoze for at least one year
[15:02] <virtual> how do you add a trash can to the desktop?
[15:02] <DreadKnight> lol
[15:02] <Jeroi> well, I am mainly tied into because I run anime fansub group, and mainly do encoding and typesetting
[15:03] <bazhang> nice
[15:03] <Jeroi> and because linuc has been bad with encoding choiches you are bit tied down to microsoft
[15:03] <Jeroi> I would want uTorrent also ported into linux
[15:04] <DreadKnight> ktorrent is my fav
[15:04] <Jeroi> but meanwhile kTorrent is good also.
[15:04] <DreadKnight> liked uTorrent very much
[15:04] <bazhang> !info transmission
[15:04] <ubotu> transmission: free, lightweight BitTorrent client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.72.dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 56 kB
[15:04] <DreadKnight> liked deluge on gnome, way better than transmission
[15:04] <Jeroi> transmission? website?
[15:05] <Jeroi> is it good
[15:05] <Jeroi> ?
[15:05] <DreadKnight> but the default from ubuntu/gnome is ugly... no multiple downloads in the same window
[15:05] <DreadKnight> for GTK both :P
[15:05]  * DreadKnight runs away from GTK+
[15:05] <Jeroi> kTorrent seems to do same thing than uTorrent, but I prefer uTorrent because some features not included in kTorrent
[15:05] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: check out the ktorrent plugins..
[15:05] <BluesKaj> I still use windows due to poor results kooka gives on documents and photos vs the windows equivalent  which gives excellent results
[15:06] <DreadKnight> for example what features?
[15:06] <Jeroi> kooka?
[15:06] <Jeroi> pdf?
[15:06] <DreadKnight> the scaner application..
[15:06] <DreadKnight> n
[15:06] <Jeroi> yeah
[15:06] <Jeroi> I have scanner
[15:06] <BluesKaj> kooka = linux scanning software
[15:06] <Jeroi> I never use it tho
[15:06] <DreadKnight> me 2
[15:07] <DreadKnight> it's not even supported on linux
[15:07] <DreadKnight> xD
[15:07] <Jeroi> my gf has windows laptop, I sacan with it then :D
[15:07] <DreadKnight> i have no use for it
[15:07] <BluesKaj> err sorry kde scanning software
[15:07] <Jeroi> poor results?
[15:07] <Jeroi> what do you mean?
[15:08] <BluesKaj> my tv wonder pro gives a better picture on my monitor then tvtime does as well
[15:08] <DreadKnight> play around with settings ? :P
[15:08] <BluesKaj> on windows
[15:08] <DreadKnight> eh
[15:08] <Jeroi> ah
[15:08]  * DreadKnight is going to upgrade* to hardy and kde4 xD
[15:08] <Jeroi> Fortunately I have nvidia
[15:08] <DreadKnight> me 2
[15:08] <Jeroi> no problmes with gfx in linux
[15:09] <Jeroi> I even played steam in linux
[15:09] <Jeroi> half life2
[15:09] <BluesKaj> poor results = illegible docs , and very dark jpegs
[15:09] <DreadKnight> i play wc3.. too much... dota
[15:09] <Jeroi> no problems
[15:10] <DreadKnight> be back later hopefully.. xD
[15:10] <Jeroi> lol
[15:10] <Jeroi> is hardy btw out?
[15:10] <Jeroi> or alpha version?
[15:10] <DreadKnight> if i will still be able to start a session
[15:10] <DreadKnight> rc2 i think
[15:10] <bazhang> alpha2
[15:10] <DreadKnight> xD
[15:10] <Jeroi> I dont install then
[15:10] <DreadKnight> i am doomed
[15:10] <DreadKnight> oh well
[15:11] <Jeroi> I have still other problems with linux than installing new versions of software that works already with the older version
[15:11] <DreadKnight> sure
[15:11] <DreadKnight> ^^
[15:11] <Jeroi> :D
[15:12] <Jeroi> hopely they make my suggest in konversation that middlebutton closes tabs
[15:12] <DreadKnight> um
[15:12] <DreadKnight> i forgot where to find sources.list
[15:12] <DreadKnight> hehe neat
[15:12] <Jeroi> /etc/apt/
[15:12] <DreadKnight> ah right ^^ thanks
[15:12] <Jeroi> np
[15:23] <meeowzers> Hey, where can I find an Ubuntu package for the newest nvidia drivers?
[15:24] <djdarkman> hello, I just bought a webcam, wich program do I need to set it up?
[15:24] <pros922> webcam-server
[15:24] <pros922> the applets and stuff are in wierd places and have to be copied to your /var/www but it works great
[15:24] <BluesKaj> meeowzers, dunno if this will help : http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.07.html
[15:25] <BluesKaj> !nvidia | meeowzers
[15:25] <ubotu> meeowzers: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:27] <meeowzers> BluesKaj: I want the beta drivers though
[15:30] <BluesKaj> meeowzers, try a google-linux search
[15:30] <Jeroi> alsa store
[15:30] <Jeroi> what command was that?
[15:30] <Jeroi> alstls store
[15:30] <Jeroi> alsatls store?
[15:32] <meeowzers> BluesKaj: bleh. I will just download it off nvidia's site and install it the old fashioned way.
[15:33] <andreas_> hello i have a problem
[15:33] <andreas_> anybody ?
[15:33] <meeowzers> you didnt ask a question
[15:33] <meeowzers> :P
[15:34] <andreas_> ok so when i try to delete a folder from dolphin, it can not delete it
[15:34] <bazhang> hi andreas_
[15:34] <bazhang> what folder?
[15:34] <andreas_> i don't get an error msg, just that dialog for deletion, and it stays at 0%
[15:34] <andreas_> well the folder is in the windows partition
[15:34] <andreas_> i didnt create it on linux
[15:34] <bazhang> hmm
[15:35] <andreas_> so?
[15:36] <bazhang> ntfs?
[15:36] <andreas_> if i create  a new folder in linux i can delete it, but i can't delete the windows folder
[15:36] <andreas_> probably ntfs
[15:37] <bazhang> !ntfs | andreas_ probably this is your solution then
[15:37] <ubotu> andreas_ probably this is your solution then: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[15:38] <andreas_> i don't get it
[15:39] <andreas_> so what am i supposed to do?
[15:40] <bazhang> andreas_: do you have a web browser?
[15:41] <andreas_> lol yes i am reading now...
[15:41] <bazhang> !ntfs-3g
[15:41] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[15:41] <bazhang> see above andreas_
[15:42] <bazhang> !permissions > bazhang
[15:42] <inciner9> Are the KDE4 RC2 packages that are in the repositories stable enough for day-to-day use?
[15:43] <bazhang> inciner9: how stable is stable by your definition?
[15:43] <andreas_> so !ntfs-3g is a program?
[15:43] <inciner9> bazhang: Usable; Occassional crashes are tolerable.
[15:43] <hydrogen> inciner9: they are stable.. but rc2 is still missing a good deal of stuff
[15:43] <bazhang> inciner9: I would wait, but that is just me
[15:43] <hydrogen> current svn is a bit better
[15:43] <inciner9> hydrogen: What's missing?
[15:44] <bazhang> !info ntfs-3g | andreas_
[15:44] <ubotu> andreas_: ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[15:44] <hydrogen> inciner9: some of the more useful parts of the desktop were still a bit behind at that point
[15:44] <hydrogen> I forget exasctly what
[15:44] <inciner9> hydrogen: They're in svn though?
[15:44] <hydrogen> yea
[15:45] <inciner9> hydrogen: So you would say that SVN has all the components of a usable desktop environment?
[15:45] <andreas_> well i don't  think you get it then
[15:45] <andreas_> i can read the files
[15:46] <andreas_> i can't delete them though
[15:47] <bazhang> read write permissions andreas_?
[15:49] <inciner9> I think I'll just try the Kubuntu LiveCD first, just to avoid having to compile from source... I want to be able to update and all using apt.
[15:50] <andreas_> for others it is forbidden
[15:50] <andreas_> only the owner can read & modify
[15:52] <andreas_> so do i have to change the permissionS?
[15:54] <andreas_> bazhang: are you there?
[15:54] <bazhang> andreas_: yes?
[15:55] <andreas_> i thought you were trying to help
[15:57] <bazhang> andreas_: you want my attention? use my nick--I am in other channels as well :}
[15:59] <andreas_> bazhang: ok then what am i suppposed to do?>
[16:00] <bazhang> andreas_: do you have permissions issue with those folders?
[16:03] <Jeroi> hmm
[16:03] <Jeroi> how can I test my front input mic
[16:04] <Jeroi> I edited alsamixer to go for front mic
[16:04] <Jeroi> I am trying to get teamspeak2 to work
[16:04] <Jeroi> installed alsa-oss
[16:04] <Jeroi> and starting teamspeak with aoss command
[16:06] <Selfarian> Hello
[16:06] <NickPresta> hello, Selfarian
[16:07] <Selfarian> Anyone has an idea for me:
[16:07] <Selfarian> i have kubuntu, my gf has windows
[16:07] <Selfarian> and i want to play mp3 from her sharings
[16:07] <bazhang> networked computers Selfarian?
[16:09] <Selfarian> Yes
[16:09] <Selfarian> bazhang
[16:09] <Selfarian> :-)
[16:10] <awag22> isn't samba automatically installed with ubuntu?
[16:10] <awag22> eer, kubuntu
[16:10] <bazhang> Selfarian: via samba?
[16:11] <Selfarian> i can access it
[16:11] <Selfarian> but
[16:11] <Selfarian> ...
[16:11] <Selfarian> when i click on an mp3, amarok couldn't play it
[16:11] <bazhang> Selfarian: via samba?
[16:11] <Selfarian> yes..
[16:12] <zorg_the_false> q. any ssh user around ? i got 2 ubuntu and do ssh between the 2. but after some time the connection freeze. any hint on how to fix that ?
[16:12] <Selfarian> i was in the amarok channel and they told me to mount it, but i don't know how :/
[16:13] <bazhang> Selfarian: mount the windows computer?
[16:13] <Lynoure> zorg_the_false: most common reason for freezes is that the network connection is choppy. How are these ubuntu's located in respect to each other?
[16:13] <zorg_the_false> Lynoure: the connection is fine. i got 20ms latency between the 2
[16:13] <Selfarian> mount the sharing
[16:13] <Selfarian> via samba
[16:14]  * bazhang is not sure if this is a ntfs-g or a samba issue
[16:14] <HS^> where can i set keybord layout
[16:14] <jussi01> !keyboard
[16:14] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[16:15] <zorg_the_false> Lynoure: moreover tcp is supposed to handle that without issue. and if i keep using the ssh, the connection is find without any trouble. i smell like a buggy timeout/keepalive
[16:17] <Selfarian> is there a function like map network drive under linux?
[16:17] <bazhang> !info nmap
[16:17] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.20-2 (gutsy), package size 732 kB, installed size 2640 kB
[16:18] <awag22> bazhang: does that work for windows shares as well?
[16:18] <Selfarian> bazhang: is it also able to map windows sharings?
[16:18] <Selfarian> :D
[16:18] <awag22> hehe
[16:18] <awag22> or do you have to use smbmount for that?
[16:19] <bazhang> haha no idea awag22 Selfarian
[16:19] <Selfarian> :D
[16:19] <Selfarian> hm
[16:19] <Selfarian> is there a good tool for painting?
[16:19] <bazhang> awag22: smbmount sounds right though
[16:19] <Selfarian> maybe gimp? or is it better for photo editing?
[16:19] <bazhang> tuxpaint
[16:19] <bazhang> !info tuxpaint
[16:20] <ubotu> tuxpaint: A paint program for young children. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.9.17-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 149 kB, installed size 388 kB
[16:20] <Selfarian> young children? ;)
[16:21] <bazhang> haha sorry
[16:21] <awag22> lol
[16:21] <bazhang> first thing that came to mind :}
[16:22] <awag22> man, i hate apple, my ipod works great with amarok, artwork and everything uploads correctly
[16:22] <awag22> but if i plug it into my girlfriend's computer and use itunes with it
[16:22] <awag22> it automatically rapes my artwork
[16:22] <awag22> so that i have to go back and redo it in amarok
[16:24] <Selfarian> anyone could tell me, how i can change the standardbrowser?
[16:25] <Selfarian> that, when i click on a link, firefox opens instead of konqueror?
[16:26] <giuseppe> noobuntu: Hi, do u know why sometimes appears this message:
[16:26] <giuseppe> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/giuseppe/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[16:26] <giuseppe> noobuntu: :)
[16:26] <NickPresta> Selfarian, in a Konsole: sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/konqueror
[16:28] <giuseppe> hi, is there anyone can help me?
[16:28] <kub^> giuseppe: i have had that error and i needed to change the permissions on the bookmarks.xml
[16:28] <Selfarian> NickPresta: when i click a link, konquerer opens :/
[16:28] <giuseppe> noliobed: correct... but do u know how I can change permissions?
[16:29] <NickPresta> giuseppe, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+question/15881
[16:29] <NickPresta> Selfarian, isn't that what you wanted?
[16:29] <NickPresta> Selfarian, oh, I misread your question. :)
[16:29] <noliobed> im having problem installing things here in ubuntu
[16:29] <NickPresta> Selfarian, in a Konsole: sudo update-alternatives --set x-www-browser /usr/bin/firefox
[16:29] <noliobed> im using kde
[16:29] <noliobed> can someone help me?
[16:29] <NickPresta> noliobed, what is your problem?
[16:30] <noliobed> hi nick
[16:30] <noliobed> i want to install xchat and have an mp3 support for my amarok
[16:30] <noliobed> i was looking at some forums about my problem
[16:30] <noliobed> all i saw was about the gnome ubuntu
[16:31] <noliobed> i installed kubuntu
[16:31] <NickPresta> noliobed, to install xchat, using the terminal, you can do: sudo apt-get install xchat
[16:31] <noliobed> Couldn't find package xchat - this is what showed up after i did that
[16:32] <Selfarian> NickPresta: i tried to klick on the faq url and konqueror opens :(
[16:32] <noliobed> probably i need to add some repositories
[16:32] <noliobed> how can i do that?
[16:32] <Selfarian> do i have to reboot?
[16:32] <noliobed> sorry im such a dummy
[16:32] <gabbah> how can i move my ubuntu installation to another partition_
[16:32] <noliobed> its my 1st time to use this
[16:33] <kub^> Selfarian: you can also set the default browser in system settings | default applications i think
[16:34] <Selfarian> kub^: works, thanks ;)
[16:34] <giuseppe> NickPresta: thanks for URL... solved my problems...
[16:34] <NickPresta> noliobed, that's okay. Everyone has to start somewhere :) Go to your KMenu > System > Adept. Put in your password. Then click on "Adept" and "manage Repositories". Make sure the (universe) and (multiverse) lines are checked off. If they aren't, check them off and restart adept. You should see xchat now
[16:35] <noliobed> thanks nick, ill try it then go back to you after i do it
[16:36] <noliobed> nick
[16:36] <Selfarian> anyone know where firefox safes the bookmarks?
[16:36] <noliobed> i have another problem
[16:36] <noliobed> my adept manager is not opening
[16:36] <noliobed> :((
[16:36] <noliobed> yikes
[16:36] <NickPresta> noliobed, it takes a moment to open.
[16:37] <noliobed> ok ill try to wait
[16:37] <padlefot> how do i enable compiz with kde? (kubuntu)?
[16:37] <noliobed> nick
[16:37] <NickPresta> Selfarian, I would imagine: .mozilla/firefox/RANDOM.default/bookmark* would have what you want,
[16:37] <NickPresta> !compiz | padlefot
[16:37] <ubotu> padlefot: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[16:38] <noliobed> it didnt open
[16:38] <padlefot> and i guess emerald is outdated now that compiz is back instead of beryl, so how do I change window decos?
[16:38] <padlefot> NickPresta, thx
[16:38] <noliobed> i waited and the icon with my pointer disappeared
[16:38] <noliobed> plus the one at the taskbar
[16:38] <awag22> padlefot: what window dec do you want to use? kde-window-decorator --replace & will give you this kde window dec
[16:39] <padlefot> no id like to use emerald
[16:39] <awag22> oh
[16:39] <padlefot> so many nice themes for it
[16:39] <NickPresta> noliobed, I have to run for a little bit but try using the terminal to open up adept: kdesu adept_manager
[16:39] <awag22> i don't use emerald, so not really sure :)
[16:39] <NickPresta> noliobed, then follow my Adept instructions.
[16:39] <padlefot> ok :) ill google around
[16:42] <Selfarian> NickPresta: didnt
[16:42] <Selfarian> 'find it :(
[16:43] <voonte> How can I install Kubuntu and not install the extra applications I don't need?
[16:43] <noliobed> it still didn't work:(
[16:43] <hdevalence> voonte: what do you mean?
[16:43] <bazhang> minimal install voonte?
[16:44] <awag22> what does it dell you?
[16:44] <awag22> dell = tell
[16:44] <noliobed> arrghhh
[16:44] <Smurf-Slayer> Does anyone know why GAIM was replaced by Pidgin?  My GAIM worked fine, and now neither of them work...
[16:44] <kurt_> can someone help me to install virtualbox or al link to do it on kubuntu, it's already installed but get that kernel dev error + i have to get usb working
[16:44] <awag22> Smurf-Slayer: aol sued i think
[16:44] <noliobed> nick this adpet manager is making me nuts
[16:44] <hdevalence> Smurf-Slayer: GAIM --> Pidgin
[16:44] <awag22> noliobed: what does adept tell you when you try to start it?
[16:44] <bazhang> noliobed: use konsole instead
[16:45] <Smurf-Slayer> Ahh... That figures...  Anyword on how to get Pidgin to work?  It tries to start, and the head bounces, and then nothing...
[16:45] <voonte> bazhang: Exactly, a minimal install. I just tried the "Alternative CD" of Kubuntu, but apparently it doesn't work very well unless you have a CD.. Any other way?
[16:45] <bazhang> !minimal | voonte
[16:45] <ubotu> voonte: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:46] <voonte> But if the installer is like the one on the Alternate CD, it won't work...
[16:46] <Selfarian> ah got it with importing ;)
[16:46] <voonte> Thanks though
[16:46] <hdevalence> like the debian netinst?
[16:46] <jussi01> !netinstall | voonte
[16:46] <ubotu> voonte: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[16:46] <Smurf-Slayer> Does anyone here have Pidgin working?
[16:46] <bazhang> hdevalence: a bit similar to netboot for debian
[16:46] <giuseppe> is there anyone can help me for using kopete like messenger???
[16:46] <voonte> Thanks! I'll try that.
[16:46] <jussi01> :)
[16:47] <giuseppe> when I try to connect it says: the application Kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[16:47] <hdevalence> Smurf-Slayer: If you can't find anyone here, you might try #ubuntu pidgin is a GNOME app
[16:47] <bazhang> Smurf-Slayer: try launching it from the konsole and tell us the error messages (dont paste them here)
[16:47] <hdevalence> giuseppe: I had the same problem
[16:48] <hdevalence> guiseppe: try running the adept updater and then try kopete again
[16:48] <hdevalence> guiseppe: something about the encryption library
[16:49] <giuseppe> hdevalence: hi, wgere I find adept updater???
[16:49] <Smurf-Slayer> It says failed device 158
[16:49] <NickPresta> !baddevice | Smurf-Slayer
[16:49] <ubotu> Smurf-Slayer: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[16:50] <kurt_> what is that line i have to add for getting usb support
[16:50] <Smurf-Slayer> I just typed pidgin and that is what I got
[16:51] <giuseppe> hdevalence: or u mean adept manager?
[16:52] <Smurf-Slayer> So if the error can be safely ignored, why doesn't the application start?
[16:55] <NickPresta> Smurf-Slayer, post the complete output in a !pastebin for when you start pidgin
[16:59] <Smurf-Slayer> !Pastebin
[16:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:00] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - it is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49424
[17:00] <Smurf-Slayer> But the erroe information is useless, from what I can see.
[17:01] <althair> Hi! Does someone know if it is better for the perfomance to not include modules in the kernell, installing only the things that you really need?
[17:01] <althair> (desactivating the option of having modules in the kernel configuration)
[17:02] <llutz> althair: that only saves some diskspace, the kernel only load modules it needs
[17:02] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - Did you get a chance to look at that?
[17:03] <sigma_123> havent heard of that b4. sounds a bit dangerous. did u google it?
[17:03] <althair> yes, but checks if you need a module or not when linux is loading
[17:03] <Artimus> althair: Won't be worth enough performance to waste your time.  compile things as modules.  Setting your exact processor in the kernel config is probably going to be better...
[17:03] <althair> not?
[17:05] <althair> I will recompile the kernel setting my exact processor, yes. because of that I am thinking of removing all the things that I dont need
[17:05] <althair> but, ok. I will not spend more time on it
[17:05] <sigma_123> why would it load things it doesnt need?
[17:06] <sigma_123> its not windows. lol
[17:06] <llutz> althair: removing all stuff and testing costs much more time you ever win with a personified kernel :)
[17:06] <cj_> hi
[17:06] <cj_> how do i get compiz on kubuntu gutsy
[17:06] <althair> hehe
[17:06] <giuseppe> Sorry...anyone for help me???
[17:06] <acee1234> can someone tell me why xgl is eating 500mb of ram?
[17:07] <llutz> !ask | giuseppe
[17:07] <ubotu> giuseppe: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:07] <cj_> !compiz
[17:07] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:07] <giuseppe> well, I don't know how solve problem connection with kopete
[17:07] <giuseppe> my version is 0.12.7
[17:08] <DreadKnight> how the heck to i install kde4 on kubuntu hardy? :|
[17:08] <sigma_123> hey did u guys here that *nix based systems cant keep a date past 19 jan 2038?
[17:08] <giuseppe> When I try to connect it says:
[17:08] <giuseppe> Qt: 3.3.7
[17:08] <giuseppe> KDE: 3.5.8
[17:08] <giuseppe> Kopete: 0.12.7
[17:08] <giuseppe> sorry...
[17:08] <giuseppe> when I try to connect it says
[17:09] <llutz> sigma_123: welcome in reality
[17:09] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: i've heard it's because of the 32bits thingy...
[17:10] <sigma_123> perhaps we should file a lauchpad bug 4that :)
[17:10] <llutz> 2038 story at http://www.deepsky.com/~merovech/2038.html
[17:10] <giuseppe> kopete crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
[17:10] <llutz> sigma_123: positive thing is: we never had a year 2000 problem ;)
[17:10] <giuseppe> llutz: any idea?
[17:10] <llutz> giuseppe: using msn-account?
[17:10] <sigma_123> llutz: lol. so true
[17:11] <giuseppe> llutz: yes
[17:11] <pag> giuseppe, update your system. alt+f2 -> konsole -> "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade "
[17:12] <al-mestar_> pls i need audio codec for mp3
[17:12] <giuseppe> pag: I'm updating it...
[17:12] <llutz> !mp3
[17:12] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:13] <sigma_123> llutz: but why does it end at such a weird date? and which sad sad person actually discovered that:) would have been funny if no one did. then the internet would have shut down!
[17:13] <pag> giuseppe, wait 'till it's updated completly and restart KDE (log out and back in)
[17:13] <llutz> sigma_123: read link above, it's described there
[17:13] <giuseppe> pag: well, after a little time it says impossible obtain lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[17:14] <giuseppe> pag: etc..
[17:14] <giuseppe> pag:
[17:14] <giuseppe> pag: any idea?
[17:14] <DreadKnight> giuseppe: you probably got adept opened
[17:14] <bazhang> !aptfix | giuseppe
[17:14] <ubotu> giuseppe: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:14] <DreadKnight> giuseppe: restart and try again
[17:14] <sourcemaker> I am sorry, but the lastest kernel 2.6.22-14-generic is a flop. How can I update without compiling my self?
[17:15] <giuseppe> pag: u are right...
[17:15] <NickPresta> sourcemaker, I don't know of a way to 'update' without doing it yourself.  You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:17] <complexity> an someone tell me the solution for multi key press bug.. when I type something, it repeats the key and apt-get becomes appppppppptttttttttt---ggggeet
[17:18] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: Well... I have installed the last kubuntu gusty version on my dad's workstation. The WLAN is not working => Kernel panic! Today, I have tried to rip 3 audio cd's... One cd is scratched => Unable to read media => kernel panic.
[17:18] <nosrednaekim> complexity: systemssettings-> keyboard and mouse
[17:18] <complexity> nosrednaekim: after that ?
[17:19] <melkor> Konquror has a new feature that makes it unuseable.  When I fill in a form and it prompts for auto complete it doesn't let me keep typing is there a way to change this?
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> complexity: its in there somewhere under keyboard, sorry not running kde3 right now.
[17:19] <nosrednaekim> melkor: this in KDE4?
[17:19] <DreadKnight> nosrednaekim: do you also have hardy?
[17:19] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: In my opinion... Kernel Panic's are inadmissible.... for this kind of minor problems... :-)
[17:20] <complexity> yeah.. in that there is an option called enable keybord repeat. and it is enabled.. now I disabled it..
[17:21] <melkor> nosrednaekim yes
[17:21] <complexity> nosrednaekim: thanks. the problem seems to have gone away :-)
[17:21] <NickPresta> sourcemaker, well, I don't know of any bugs off hand which relate to your situation. Perhaps you could create a topic on the Ubuntu forums and/or submit a bug report (if it is indeed a bug). Aside from compiling your own kernel, I don't know of another solution. =(
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> complexity: I thought there was also a setting for how long before the keyboard auto-repeated
[17:21] <complexity> nosrednaekim: but why in the first place should it auto repeat ? I dint understand this
[17:21] <nosrednaekim> melkor: yes, I noticed that. I use firefox though, so didn't really bother me.
[17:22] <melkor> nosrednaekim I turned off the form complete and it works much better.
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> melkor: ah.. ok
[17:23] <cj_> !compiz
[17:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[17:23] <white_eagle> !ping
[17:23] <ubotu> pong
[17:23] <nosrednaekim> complexity: most people prefer keyboard auto-repeat
[17:24] <sourcemaker> NickPresta: Well, I am using Linux since 5 years... but over the years... the kernel is getting more and more unstable... So... ok... I will compile the kernel my own... back to the root ... nice :-)
[17:24] <complexity> nosrednaekim: any specific reason ? I mean I don't find any specific usage for turning apt-get to appppppppptttttttttt---ggggeet
[17:25] <nosrednaekim> complexity: not everyone holds down their keys for several seconds before moving on to the next one....
[17:25] <awag22> lol
[17:25] <white_eagle> !!ping
[17:25] <ubotu> pong
[17:25] <sourcemaker> !ping !ping
[17:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping !ping - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:26] <white_eagle> !lag
[17:26] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[17:26] <white_eagle> lolz
[17:26] <LjL> !botabuse
[17:26] <sourcemaker> !lol
[17:26] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[17:26] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[17:26] <white_eagle> oh, sorry
[17:26] <DreadKnight> who can help me out installing kde4 on hardy?
[17:26] <complexity> nosrednaekim: I am not holding it for several seconds.. I type the normal way as others do..
[17:26] <white_eagle> I forgot
[17:26] <complexity> nosrednaekim: :-)
[17:26] <giuseppe> pag: sorry, I tried what u told me, but it says: 0 to install, o to update
[17:26] <nosrednaekim> complexity: hmm well, then somerhing is probably funky with your keyboard.
[17:26] <giuseppe> pag: any idea?
[17:27] <pag> giuseppe, have you already restarted KDE?
[17:27] <complexity> nosrednaekim:   I think this has some meaning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/82156
[17:27] <complexity> nosrednaekim: :-D
[17:28] <jussi01> !kde4 | DreadKnight
[17:28] <ubotu> DreadKnight: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[17:28] <giuseppe> pag: not yet... u mean I have to turn off and turn on my PC?
[17:28] <pag> giuseppe, just log out and log back in - that should be enough
[17:28] <giuseppe> pag: another thing... I don't know if it's important... I'm on line using my mobile phone
[17:28] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - Did you get a chance to look at my Pidgin error?
[17:29] <Smurf-Slayer> NickPresta - it is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49424
[17:29] <pag> giuseppe, if it had an effect, it would have it on much more programs than only Kopete
[17:30] <giuseppe> pag: ok... now I try... see u later :)
[17:30] <Smurf-Slayer> Can anyone help me get Pidgin working?  GAIM worked fine, upgraded to 7.10 and now it appears GAIM was replaced by Pidgin, but it won't start up.
[17:31] <LimCore> recent update gayified all my fonts - they are now very thin, is this a known problem?
[17:31] <DreadKnight> jussi01: already tried that
[17:32] <complexity> nosrednaekim: So now only I realized that disabling key repeat will make me press backspace a thousand times before I delete a line.. now what shall I do, enabling key repeat brings me back to my old problem.. and this bug has been discussed in lot of forums with no answers
[17:32] <white_eagle> !ask
[17:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:32] <nosrednaekim> complexity: is this just a run-of-the-mill ps2 keyboard?
[17:33] <acee1234> can someone tell me why xgl is eating 500mb of ram? mempry leak?
[17:34] <complexity> no its a laptop keyboard.. HP laptop.. and believe me its not a keyboard problem.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/82156
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> complexity: in system settings,right below "enable keyboard repeat" there are two sliders to let you adjust your keyboard repeat...fiddle with them a bit
[17:34] <jussi01> DreadKnight: and what went wrong?
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> complexity: turn the delay ll the way up and the rate all the way down
[17:34] <complexity> nosrednaekim: Ya I tried both of them nothing helps..
[17:35] <giuseppe> pag: well, the first thing it asks is: the application kopete has requested to open kdewallet... is it ok right?
[17:35] <nosrednaekim> complexity: thats odd, does GNOME do the same thing or is a it a KDE issue?
[17:35] <complexity> nosrednaekim: but thats the same as disabling the keyboard repeat
[17:35] <pag> giuseppe, yup. it is the expected behaviour.
[17:35] <complexity> nosrednaekim: I am having kubuntu fiesty
[17:35] <DreadKnight> jussi01: broken packages (dependecy problems)
[17:36] <jussi01> DreadKnight: did you have kde4 previously?
[17:36] <BluesKaj> what's the setting for konq to download rather than open a download in a textfile ?
[17:36] <giuseppe> pag: sorry, the password is msn password?
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> complexity: can you upgrade to gutsy? the problem might be fixed.
[17:36] <DreadKnight> jussi01: never
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: can't you right lick on it and "save as"?
[17:37] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, it's asks to 'save the link as'
[17:37] <complexity> If so how should I do..  but I am using it in a Virutal Machine from windows.. I had this problem during my previous installations.. but they used to happen only once.. this time its not stopping at all
[17:37] <giuseppe> pag: required password for KDE wallet is msn password?
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: whats the difference?
[17:38] <NickPresta> Smurf-Slayer, sorry for the late reply. As I said before, that isn't a Pidgin error. It's an error due to your xorg.conf have entrys for wacom devices. You can ignore them. Information at !baddevice
[17:38] <pag> giuseppe, erm.. the password for KWallet has to be set manually.. there's no defaults for thet
[17:38] <Smurf-Slayer> More info on my Pidgin problem... I have AIM running on a windbloze box, and I got a message from someone, and it popped up here too...  But I can't see the main Pidgin window to start a converstation, or see who is on, etc...
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok nosrednaekim ,I see it now
[17:39] <giuseppe> pag: same error
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> Smurf-Slayer: pidgin is a GNOME program, go to #ubuntu for that
[17:39] <pag> giuseppe, what, kopete still crashes?
[17:40] <giuseppe> pag: yes
[17:40] <Smurf-Slayer> nosrednaekim - What does that mean?  Does that mean that GAIM was Ubuntu, or KDE or something, and now it was replaced by something that wasn't?
[17:41] <pag> giuseppe, strange.. you could try rebooting, but I'm not sure if it helps.. I should've worked already :\
[17:41] <giuseppe> eventually I try with amns... online I read many people had problems with kopete
[17:42] <giuseppe> pag: eventually I try with amns... online I read many people had problems with kopete
[17:42] <Smurf-Slayer> W/B Dr Willis
[17:44] <sigma_123> how come kde4 is default in kubuntu now?
[17:45] <awag22> it is?
[17:45] <sigma_123> hardy i mean
[17:45] <white_eagle> yes
[17:46] <sigma_123> yeah i read a article online saying it was
[17:46] <hackstacy> I have a quick question
[17:46] <dreamcoder> i have justr used devede to encode a video, but it hasnt give me an iso or .bin file so how do i make the .mpeg file and the .xml file into a iso to burn to dvd
[17:46] <hackstacy> does anybody know what type of hash this is ENC96a28b5b7a147477891e4e90c1b
[17:46] <white_eagle> !pong
[17:46] <ubotu> pong is an old atari game. It's fun!
[17:46] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: users will get to choose in 8.04 betwork 3.5 and 4
[17:46] <sigma_123> i thought it was 2unstable
[17:46] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: betwen
[17:47] <sigma_123> but dreadnight why isnt it lts anymore?
[17:47] <DreadKnight> sigma_123: i have kubuntu hardy, i can't manage to get kde4 installed :(
[17:48] <althair> Does someone know if the ICH-M configuration in the kernel (wich says that it is for ICH-2, 3 and 4) works for the ICH7 Intel southbridge (Core2Duo)
[17:48] <Yorokobi> sigma_123, have you read the IRC log from the #kubuntu-devel meeting where they decided on going with two CD images for 8.04?
[17:49] <killer_> question: what happened to /etc/inittab?
[17:49] <crimsun> althair: yes, it will.
[17:49] <crimsun> killer_: see upstart.
[17:49] <althair> ok, thanks crimsun
[17:50] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[17:50] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[17:50] <DreadKnight> kde4 packages seem broken, even the ones from the PPA :(
[17:51] <Artimus> If I find a bug in the Kubuntu Installer, under which package do I file the bug on Launchpad?  I'm thinking kubuntu-live...
[17:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm. Somthing ive never figrued out yet. K3b starts to burn. top Info box says Writing Speed 16.4x The Lower  "Estimated Writing Speed" then goes from 4x to 9x..  Why are the #'s so different
[17:52] <sigma_123> whats the bug?
[17:52] <Dr_willis> the DVD+Rs are 16x - is that what the upper box is reporting?
[17:52] <Artimus> sigma_123: Can't create new partitions if the drive doesn't have a parititon table.  You can create a new partition table, but never any new partitions.  This is under manual partitioning, guided is fine
[17:52] <althair> Its better to let the bios recognize the pci devices, or letting linux doing this?
[17:52] <crimsun> Artimus: ubiquity.
[17:55] <chemicalvamp> i need help installing grub to a windows computer (for using my linux installation on usb key) i have a 100mb partition for it.
[17:55] <sigma_123> dr willis: is dma on?
[17:56] <Dr_willis> sigma_123,  well lets see..
[17:56] <Artimus> crimsun: Thanks
[17:56] <Dr_willis> using_dma     =  1 (on)   - So thats a yes.
[17:56] <Dr_willis> It can burn a 4.4 gb DVD in about 10 min...
[17:57] <Dr_willis> well k3b says 12 min now..  :)
[17:57] <Dr_willis> so is that about normal? Ive never really paid attention to the times much. I tend to get it burning then go do somthing else.
[17:57] <Dr_willis> But today im sitting at the machine watching it.
[17:58] <Dr_willis> I just moved this dvd burner out of a USB bay, to internal also. the burn times seem about the same. So i thogh  it was odd that the ide wasent a lot faster.
[17:59] <sigma_123> i had that prob when dma was on. only when i forced it in hdparm.conf did my writer use ful speed
[17:59] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis:  something is wrong then...
[17:59] <tehm0nk> if you went from USB to Internal...
[17:59] <sigma_123> forced it to be on that is
[17:59] <tehm0nk> and you didn't see any differance something is def. wrong :-P
[17:59] <Dr_willis> or i just wasent paying attention
[17:59] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:00] <Dr_willis> 4 gb disk in  12min. it seems.
[18:01] <tehm0nk> Number wise.... there is a HUGE differance in transfer speeds between hardwire and USB
[18:01] <killer_> upstart
[18:01] <killer_> bash: upstart: command not found
[18:01] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  yes.. but its not usb any more. so the question what SHOULD the time to burn a 4gb disk be... 12 min? 5 min?
[18:02] <Dr_willis> !upstart | killer_
[18:02] <ubotu> killer_: Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[18:02] <killer_> what replaced /etc/resolv.conf?
[18:02] <Dr_willis> My internel burner was actint weird then stopped working. I had external set up to use untill today.
[18:02] <Dr_willis> i still have a /etc/resolov.conf
[18:02] <llutz> killer dhclient, avahi
[18:02] <tehm0nk> if i remember right, i've burned 8gb dual layers in 16 minutes i think
[18:03] <killer_> it's quite a bit of work after installing gutsy fresh on my laptop, to get wifi, ifup/ifdown no work
[18:03] <chemicalvamp> I need a hand installing grub to a 100mb partition (for using my linux installation on usb key) Ive done it before maybe a year ago. sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda1/ /dev/hda says a file cant be read correctly? Ive updated grub to latest version..
[18:03] <tehm0nk> what kind of wire is it using in the computer?
[18:04] <Dr_willis> IDE Internal dvd burner.
[18:04] <tehm0nk> Dr_willis: there is multiple types of IDE cables :-P
[18:04] <tehm0nk> ata150, ata100, etc
[18:05] <Dr_willis> shoul be ata150 i belive.
[18:05] <tehm0nk> really thin flat cable?
[18:06] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: that will install it to the MBR...
[18:06] <tehm0nk> i know it sounds trivial, but if my burner was freshly stuck in my computer, and it didn't seem to be burning the right speed, i'd check to make sure it's the right cable, and then check the bios settings
[18:07] <chemicalvamp> hello again :) had to go xmas shoppin yestarday :)
[18:07] <chemicalvamp> i need it to install to the MBR and keep its files on my hda1 partition
[18:07] <tehm0nk> sup nosrednaekim
[18:07] <nosrednaekim> NM tehm0nk.
[18:08] <tehm0nk> nosrednaekim: i've got things working, twice over again lol
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: so do you already have its files on HDA1?
[18:08] <tehm0nk> on ubuntu now...
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: :(
[18:08] <tehm0nk> i wanted avant window manager...
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> you can have that in Kubuntu.... kinda
[18:08] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim that command copies a few and says "The file /mnt/hda1//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[18:09] <tehm0nk> http://picpaste.com/neato.jpg
[18:10] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: right, because its looking in that partition for al of the grub files, which probably aren't there unless made that /boot when you originally installed
[18:10] <chemicalvamp> so open qtparted and try again?
[18:11] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: no.... qtparted won't do you a bit of good. you need to find your existing /boot and copy the files from it to hda1 or reinstall and mount hda1 as /boot
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> this computer has windows on it. nosrednaekim i think i may just be using the wrog command.. i dont remember the one i used last time
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> what would grub-install /dev/hda0 do?
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: what are going to be booting linux from? where is / going to be?
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> sda1
[18:13] <chemicalvamp> my usb flash drive
[18:14] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: and how are you installing it there?
[18:14] <chemicalvamp> its already installed
[18:15] <chemicalvamp> i can boot it without grub
[18:15] <chemicalvamp> i mean can't
[18:16] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: where did you install grub to when you installed it to the flash drive? or is it a persistent install.
[18:17] <chemicalvamp> it was installed on the usbkey
[18:17] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: then copy the /boot from there onto hda1
[18:17] <chemicalvamp> it still has windows mbr then wont it?
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> of course, you are going to have to fiddle with alot of things in the grub.conf
[18:18] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: what will
[18:18] <chemicalvamp> the harddrive
[18:19] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: yes
[18:22] <tehm0nk> !ntfs
[18:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[18:23] <tehm0nk> is it possible to run 2 Firefox Browsers?
[18:23] <tehm0nk> in seperate X sessions?
[18:24] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: knowing firefox, probably not <_<
[18:25] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: two konquerors should work fine tho ;)
[18:25] <chemicalvamp> nosrednaekim i have a few commands written down, i know one of them must have been what i used
[18:26] <nosrednaekim> chemicalvamp: well, I'm just saying, there is nothing there right now that can be installed, so that one command isn't going to do you a bit o good
[18:26] <chemicalvamp> #grub-install /dev/hda0 and #grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda
[18:26] <chemicalvamp> all it took the last time was one command
[18:26] <tehm0nk> dude konq sucks.
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... but you already had your /boot on the hard drive!
[18:27] <chemicalvamp> no i didnt
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> you NEED /boot and all the files that go there on hda1
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> you must have.
[18:27] <chemicalvamp> nope
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> and there is no such thing as hda0
[18:27] <nosrednaekim> well,then I have no clue how you did it
[18:28] <chemicalvamp> hda0 for frub is master channel first partition
[18:28] <chemicalvamp> grub*
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> umm thats "hd0,0"
[18:28] <tehm0nk> anyone with fakeraid able to mount an NTFS partition or windows ntfs partition?
[18:28] <nosrednaekim> !raid
[18:28] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[18:29] <nosrednaekim> tehm0nk: someone was just asking about that
[18:29] <Dr_willis> aha - If i make the .iso file first then burn it.. :) it burns a lot faster.
[18:32] <jussi01> DreadKnight: did you get your kde4 fixed?
[18:32] <jussi01> !brokenkde4 | DreadKnight
[18:32] <ubotu> DreadKnight: If you're having trouble installing KDE4, in a !Terminal run: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | grep "4:3.97.0" |awk '{print $2}') » then run « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » - After that install KDE4 as normal
[18:33] <tehm0nk> !NTFS-3g
[18:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[18:35] <chemicalvamp> well whatever all these commands where copied out of the grub manual. i know one of then worked, i just need to figure out what im missing
[18:37] <nosredna_ekim> chemicalvamp: as I have said about 20 times, you need files in your /boot
[18:41] <Novell> Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel but I'm getting this error: /root/epia/linux-<IP_ADDRESS>/scripts/gen_initramfs_list.sh: Cannot open 'initramfs'
[18:44] <chemicalvamp> nosredna_ekim just to check.. i copied all the files in /boot/ from another working install.. and it still says the same "The file /mnt/hda1//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
[18:48] <chemicalvamp> and the installer creates the file too.. i dont know what the deal is
[18:48] <tehm0nk> wow files copy WAY faster on linux than windows for some reason...
[18:49] <chemicalvamp> ext file systems are more efficient
[18:49] <tehm0nk> it's going from EXT to NTFS tho
[18:49] <tehm0nk> heh
[18:49] <tehm0nk> i can actually Hear my HD working...
[18:49] <chemicalvamp> smarter kernel :)
[18:50] <tehm0nk> i wish i could DL a decent wow installer at speeds
[18:50] <tehm0nk> intead of... 40 KB/s or something stupid
[18:50] <tehm0nk> for a 3.5gb file...
[18:51] <nosredna_ekim> chemicalvamp: yeah, I don't have a clue I think it would be better to reinstall, moun hda1 as boot and write grub to hd1 from the installer (hd0 would be your flash drive)
[18:51] <tehm0nk> ok gonna go brave windows vista... and install wow on there ....
[18:51] <tehm0nk> be back later guys
[18:52] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk, Hmm.. given up on wine?
[18:53] <Old_Gregg> Anyone running WoW and Ubuntu?
[18:53] <tehm0nk> Attempting
[18:54] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  some guy in #ubuntu is fighting with Wine and WoW. :) told him to come here and Chat with YOU! :) Live up to your rep!
[18:54] <Old_Gregg> He's here.
[18:54] <Dr_willis>  thers an downloadable installer/ no need to swap cd's ? he
[18:54] <tehm0nk> which method of install are you trying to use Old_Gregg
[18:54] <Dr_willis> that would be handier..
[18:54] <tehm0nk> yeah it's a HUGE file tho
[18:54] <Dr_willis> well if it includes all the updates..
[18:54] <tehm0nk> and you have to download the Normal installer and the BC patch
[18:54] <tehm0nk> well i'm thinking the normal installer gets you Further than normal wow CDs
[18:55] <tehm0nk> it's wow 2.0
[18:55] <Old_Gregg> tehm0nk:  I was using CrossOver, but the sound was borked and now it won't recognize disk 5, so Dr. Willis suggested Wine.  Tried that, and it won't install over multiple disks, so now I'm copying the files to a folder on the desktop
[18:55] <Dr_willis> well I dont do WoW.. so i am out for a while.
[18:55] <tehm0nk> http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine
[18:55] <tehm0nk> woah i'm sorta new here lol :-P
[18:55] <tehm0nk> so you lost me there
[18:56] <Old_Gregg> tehm0nk:  do you know how to create a windows-capable partition from Ubuntu?
[18:56] <tehm0nk> right now i was about to try to unzip the wow installer i DL'd from a differant source than the blizzard downloader
[18:56] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  why do you want to do that?
[18:56] <tehm0nk> windows capable?
[18:56] <tehm0nk> i finally figured out how to have a shared partition
[18:57] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  i though you had no windows installed at all on that box.
[18:57] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I don't currently
[18:57] <tehm0nk> i'm gonna go into windows and install wow from there... then run it off there i think
[18:57] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I have the installation files on the Ubuntu desktop
[18:57] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I can't get them to burn to an El Torito CD
[18:58] <prasoon> hi there.. does anyone know how to detect my battery  under kubuntu?? after installing kubuntu on my laptop.. it is not recognizing my battery at all
[18:58] <noaXess> !vfat
[18:58] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  i always kept a clean bbackup of my isntalled wow dir. :) learned that one time that WoW update was trashing peoples installs. heh
[18:58] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[18:58] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg, You seem to be Jumpping all over the place here.. what does burning stuff to cd have to do with this?
[18:59] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  The end goal:  Windows XP on the computer again.
[18:59] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  you planing on removing Linux ? or dual booting?
[18:59] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I have the installation files ready to go, but I can't run it except from a bootable CD, because Ubuntu owns my only partition.
[18:59] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Death to linux.
[19:00] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  fire up k3b then. i doubt if the files will fit on cd. may need a dvd.
[19:00] <Dr_willis> unless the files have some amazingly freaky names.. they should burn.
[19:00] <Dr_willis> Lets see.. reinstalling xp. then wow. then the updates..  Your weekend is full.. :)
[19:01] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  what's k3b?
[19:01] <Dr_willis> !k3b
[19:01] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[19:01] <Dr_willis> the cd burning app for Kubuntu :) i dont know what gnome uses
[19:01] <Dr_willis> gtoaster perhaps..
[19:01] <noaXess> what kde tool to use for creating and formatin partitions?
[19:01] <Old_Gregg> I was using GnomeBaker, but it can't make bootables
[19:01] <jussi01> noaXess: qparted
[19:02] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  WHY do you need the data files for WoW to be BOotable?
[19:02] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: try brasero
[19:02] <tehm0nk> he i need to reboot
[19:02] <noaXess> jussi01: okey..
[19:02]  * Dr_willis is just geting more and more lost.
[19:02] <Old_Gregg> Not WoW
[19:02] <Jeroi> hello
[19:02] <Old_Gregg> Windows XP
[19:02] <prasoon> hi there.. does anyone know how to detect my battery  under kubuntu?? after installing kubuntu on my laptop.. it is not recognizing my battery at all
[19:02] <Jeroi> does anyone know how to get teamspeak klient work with alsa?
[19:02] <Jeroi> I have installe alsa-oss
[19:02] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: if you burn an iso, it should be bootable anyway...
[19:03] <Jeroi> using amd64bit
[19:03] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  You have a copy of xp disk 'files' in a dir. and you want to create a bootable cd from them? Or do you have an iso file?
[19:03] <noaXess> jussi01: you mean qtparted?
[19:03] <Jeroi> starting teamspeak aoss
[19:03]  * Dr_willis wonders at the legality of this.. but......
[19:03] <Jeroi> but my headphones and mic is muted
[19:03] <jussi01> noaXess: yeah
[19:03] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Exactly.
[19:03] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  No ISO.  Need one.  Can't make one.
[19:03] <Jeroi> amarok plays fine on my headphones
[19:03] <DreadKnight> jussi01: i tried that a while ago and still nothing
[19:04] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Tried all day yesterday until I got pretty angry.
[19:04] <Jeroi> but teamspeak dont
[19:04] <murchadh> Hi all! I can't log in from kdm as some of my keyboard keys aren't recognised. Switch to terminal and they're fine. Any ideas?
[19:04] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  See, this is the problem I have with Ubuntu.  The link you gave me, the "K3B Howto", shows how to install it.  THAT'S IT.  The lack of support is appalling.
[19:05] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  not meaning you.
[19:05] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  you are my hero.
[19:06] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Okay, so I am running k3b.  Do I do "New Data CD Project" or "Burn CD Image"?
[19:06] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: go install k3b, then start it from the menu, click help -> k3b handbook. how is that hard?
[19:06] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,   you aparently cant bother to look at the actual program docs eh? :)
[19:06] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  How do I know where there are any?
[19:06] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  k3b is rather straight forward.
[19:06] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Understand, until last weekend, I'd never heard of Ubuntu
[19:07] <Dr_willis> list of files at top. buttons at bottopm for type fo disk to make.
[19:07] <Dr_willis> drag from top to bottom. click burn
[19:07] <jussi01> Old_Gregg: usually pressing f1 when you are in a program will give you the help for it
[19:07] <Dr_willis> MAKING a xp bootable iso however.. is somthing ive never done.
[19:07] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: new data cd project means you wanna make a custom compilation cd, burn cd image means you want to burn an .iso or some cd image
[19:07] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: And that will create the CD as El-Torito?
[19:07] <Dr_willis> I have xp iso image files ive.. lets say.. aquired.
[19:08] <jussi01> *cough*
[19:08] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  email it to me?
[19:08] <Dr_willis> there is a XP slipstreaming howto out on the net. that proberly details it.
[19:08] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: :D
[19:08] <Dr_willis> I dont even have xp on this box
[19:08] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  If I have the files I want to make an El Torito (I think ISO) on my desktop, can I copy them as such to a CD to make it bootable?
[19:09] <Dr_willis> actually i cant recall ever making a bootable cd from scratch
[19:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:09] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: what the heck is el torito? xD
[19:09] <Dr_willis> You need to find the boot floppy image i recall. and use it somewhere.
[19:09] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Done it in windows countless times.
[19:09] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever needing to do it. :)
[19:09] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: if the .iso image is designed to be bootable, you just need to burn it to a cd ;) nothing more
[19:09] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  Okay, I want to be able to put this CD into the drive, boot up the computer, and have it run from the CD.
[19:10] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: operating system cd images are made to be bootable, just burn..
[19:10] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you just copied all the 'files' from a cd.  its highly likely you did not copyover the 'boot file' needed. since its normally not accessable from the cd.
[19:10] <DreadKnight> operatin system virtual images* i mean
[19:10] <Dr_willis> I think.. I may be wrong on that.
[19:11] <Old_Gregg> well... the catch is I don't actually have the image.  Just the files.
[19:11] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: then don't bother
[19:11] <Old_Gregg> damn
[19:11] <Jeroi> Old_Gregg then just burn those files into cd
[19:11] <DreadKnight> xD
[19:11] <Jeroi> man
[19:11] <Jeroi> I dont get teamspeak work
[19:11] <Old_Gregg> Well, if I create an NTSF partition in Ubuntu, can I copy the XP files into it and run them on it from Ubuntu?
[19:11] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  oh? i use that all the time.
[19:11] <Jeroi> mu headphones and mic is muted
[19:12] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  you want to run the windows installer files with wine? DOnt think thats a good idea.
[19:12] <Jeroi> I have but go for front mic, backmic and mig boost
[19:12] <Jeroi> in alsamixer
[19:12] <Jeroi> Dr_willis can you help me?
[19:12] <Old_Gregg> I want to install windows on this computer on a seperate partition, make it bootable, and boot from it.  I do not have a bootable windows CD, but I have the installation files.
[19:12] <Jeroi> I use mobo audio
[19:12] <Jeroi> ac97
[19:13] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  ick. :)
[19:13] <Jeroi> 7.1 channels
[19:13] <Jeroi> amarok works
[19:13] <Jeroi> with alsa
[19:13] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  you may want to do some googling for that.. I imagine its possible.. but it may be easier to just go get a xp disk somewhere.
[19:13] <Jeroi> trhue mu head phones
[19:13] <Jeroi> and same time movie players work
[19:13] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: just download an iso from all over the internet and burn it, install it on a separate partition. this is what it's called dual booting
[19:13] <Jeroi> but teamspeak is oss
[19:13] <Old_Gregg> awesome!
[19:14] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  yep. I have no issues with it on my Creative card. but onbosrd cards often dont want to share the audio as well.
[19:14] <Jeroi> on windows they do
[19:14] <Jeroi> mobo sound works perfect
[19:14] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: so if you have windows installed and ubuntu/kubuntu on a cd, you can still make dual boot..
[19:14] <Jeroi> and all the alsa apps work perfect also in linux
[19:14] <Dr_willis> Jeroi,  windows also has actually drivers from the company.. :) and all the apps have aggred on how to do it. Unlike Alsa vs OSS.
[19:15] <Dr_willis> the issue is the old OSS apps :)
[19:15] <Jeroi> ?
[19:15] <Jeroi> do I need to do something?
[19:15] <Jeroi> I am on amd64 also
[19:15] <noaXess> !thunderbird
[19:15] <ubotu> Thunderbird is a free email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox (both by the Mozilla Foundation). To make Thunderbird links open in Firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[19:15] <Dr_willis> sound under linux used to use the OSS 'way' - now everything is changing to the ALSA way.  I guess ya can say
[19:15] <Jeroi> there was teamspeak amd64 packages in apt
[19:16] <sigma_> Riddell: i read on downloadsquad.com very recently that kubuntu 8.04 won't be lts, is this true?
[19:16] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: since when is teamspeak oss? O_o
[19:16] <Jeroi> ?
[19:16] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  thats what i was wondering also...
[19:16] <Jeroi> now
[19:16] <DreadKnight> xD
[19:16] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  but ive never noticed. :) its always worked for me.
[19:16] <Old_Gregg> Dreadknight:  Any idea on where I can DL an ISO?
[19:16] <Old_Gregg> :D
[19:16] <Jeroi> installed teamspeak-client and server
[19:16] <Dr_willis> Best "Sound" Advice.. get a decent sound card. Heh heh..
[19:17] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: yeah, mininova.org is a popular tracker
[19:17] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: isohunt.com also
[19:17] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  and if we say more.. we may get in trouble..
[19:17] <DreadKnight> Dr_willis: right :D
[19:17] <Riddell> sigma_: seems to be
[19:17] <Jeroi> teamspeak default configuration is oss /dev/xxx
[19:17] <Jeroi> or something
[19:17]  * DreadKnight goes to check out about teamspeak ...
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> Really?
[19:18] <mc_> do you know any decent bittorrent client that I can use on my server(so without X11). I'm currently using the bittorrent and bittornado package,but both of them do not support distributed tracking which sucks.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you are planing on dual booting. I find it a Lot easier to have Windows on the first HD. and linux on its own seperate hard drive.
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> But I bought the disk
[19:18] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  then legally I Gues syou can call up MS and ask for a replacement.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> Old_Gregg, http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> I legally purchased windows.  Made a back-up, in several moves, lost the original and have always just used the back-up
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> now that I have linux, I can't.
[19:18] <Dr_willis> what backup are you refering to?
[19:18] <Old_Gregg> Did that when I lost the original.
[19:18] <sigma_> Riddell: it also said that it will only have kde4 (well thats if i read correctly), I thought kde4 was considered too unstable to be the default desktop in kubuntu?
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> The CD I have the installation files on.  I was stupid and didn't make it bootable
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> hence my problems now
[19:19] <Dr_willis> and How did you 'use' those befor?
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> Running Windows, I just popped in the CD and ran the installer
[19:19] <Old_Gregg> or, from a C:/, I'd go to the D: and run the installer
[19:20] <Old_Gregg> Linux won't let me.
[19:20] <Old_Gregg> tried.
[19:20] <Dr_willis> so you 'reinstalled' the os.. over the existing os. :)
[19:20] <DreadKnight> well, i checked out... teamspeak is not oss, it's just free for non-commercial use
[19:20] <Old_Gregg> Yea, basically
[19:20] <Riddell> sigma_: that's not right
[19:21] <pros922> I think I've been unfairly banned from #ubuntu. Can anyone here help me?
[19:21] <Dr_willis> Linux isent stopping you. :) its just not doable at all with your setup. Stop blaming Linux. :) If you had a totally blank/new HD.  and Dident have Linux at all.. you wouldent even be here chatting with us getting help. Heh
[19:21] <sigma_> Riddell: which part of it? kde4 being the default desktop or it being too unstable?
[19:21] <jussi01> pros922: please join #ubuntu-ops
[19:21] <Jeroi> DreadKnight what you mean?
[19:21] <Jeroi> that teamspeak dosent use oss sound system?
[19:21] <Riddell> sigma_: "only"
[19:21] <sigma_> pros922: what do you guys do to get banned? you are the second guy to say that
[19:21] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: i mean it's not oss
[19:21] <Old_Gregg> dr_willis:  lol!  But if I had a blank/new HD, I wouldn't NEED to be chatting with you getting help.
[19:21] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: open source software
[19:22] <Jeroi> atleast  I checked that I have latest v2 installed
[19:22] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  How do you utilize a torrent in Ubuntu?
[19:22] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  how so? if your HD was empty..you have no XP to install to it...
[19:22] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  you make a good point.
[19:22] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  theres a bittorrent client installed by default.. UNLIKE windows..
[19:22] <Artimus> Old_Gregg: Open the thing in ktorrent?
[19:22] <Dr_willis> ktorrent is for Kubuntu, some other one for ubuntu.
[19:22] <Jeroi> DreadKnight if your teamspeka works, what have you done to get it work without sound and mic muted?
[19:23] <sigma_> Riddell: ok but kde3 and kde4 will both be on the shipit cd for the user to make a choice hey?
[19:23] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  Im suprised the guy at frys dident try to sell you a Uber-Vista-edition claminguit would run your games 4% faster
[19:23] <DreadKnight> Jeroi: eh.. haven't used teamspeak for years :\
[19:23] <cplusplus> hi how could i install libcurl?
[19:24] <Artimus> sigma_: I don't think they've figured that out yet.
[19:24] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  the torrent has 581mbs to install... at 1.7kbs/sec.  Will take about 2 days to get it all....
[19:24] <jussi01> cplusplus: Go to adept, search for curl and install it.
[19:24] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I don't want Vista.  Adamently refused it.
[19:24] <Riddell> sigma_: kde 4 mostly
[19:24] <cplusplus> what about the packetmanger?
[19:24] <cplusplus> curl != libcurl
[19:24] <jussi01> cplusplus: adept is the package manager
[19:25] <Artimus> cplusplus: adept_manager is the program, not sure what it's called on the KDE Menu
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  shame that its going to get forced on you in the next year or so.. but thats MS's way.
[19:25] <DreadKnight> cplusplus: press alt+space to launch katapult and start typing adept..
[19:25] <Artimus> libcurl3
[19:25] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  now ya see why so many of us perfer linux with its quirks over windows. :)
[19:25] <Artimus> That's the openssl version
[19:26] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Hence why I wanted to do Linux.  I haven't completely given up on Linux.  I just need some help.  I bought a big book, but it's chinese to me.
[19:26] <Artimus> libcurl3-gnutls is also a choice
[19:26] <sigma_> Artimus: it would make sense to, that is if they want lots of people to test it, after all its not going to be a lts release
[19:26] <mauri> keffeine is not able to read a dvd movie
[19:26]  * Dr_willis has a link for Old_Gregg  for FREE books.. :) just a sec
[19:26] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  So how good at Linux would you say you are?
[19:26] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  theres very little i Cant do with it.. that i need to do. :)
[19:27] <cplusplus> DreadKnight i only have ssh now
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[19:27] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Guide me.  I want to do 2 things.  That's it.  Run WoW and Ventrilo.  That's all.
[19:27] <Artimus> sigma_: At this point, it's all politics to me.  I jump from release to release.  I'm currently working on finding and fixing bugs in Hardy.  I'll leave the LTS politics to the people that are involved.
[19:27] <BluesKaj> !dvd | mauri
[19:27] <ubotu> mauri: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Free Ubuntu "student/teacher" books like for a Class on Ubuntu -->   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[19:27] <mauri> BluesKaj: yes, i re-installed kubuntu 7.10 and now i'm not able to see agian the dvd movie
[19:27] <Dr_willis> Thats a must bookmark link . to give out to the various new users.. too bad its ubuntus specific. :(
[19:28] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  You were doing that earlier..  You know the basics.. its all the quirks with the game thats the issue.. theres more to life and PC's then games.
[19:28] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you had kept your earlier WoW install.. you would proberly bee playing it now.
[19:28] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  That's all I want this machine to run.  I have my other computer set up as my home office.
[19:29] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  Ok.. lets back up here. with what you just said..
[19:29] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I lost my sound.  Can't play it without sound.
[19:29] <sigma_> Artimus: well it dont make much difference to me, when theres a upgrade, i upgrade! lol. its probably only about 5% of users that hang onto dapper, mainly those who are supported by canonical i guess, i doubt anyone is running dapper in this forum
[19:29] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  with a xi-fi card - you are not going to have sound under linux anyway. at least not at this time on 32bit.
[19:29] <mauri> BluesKaj: libdvdcss2 is not found by adept
[19:29] <Artimus> sigma_: Heck with LTS people, I want KDE4 :P
[19:29] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Right.  I'm exchanging the card at Fry's, if I stay with Ubuntu.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> read the whole post , mauri
[19:30] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  if you have a 2nd windows machine. You could install WoW on it. then copy over the Installed Dir. to the linux box.
[19:30] <DreadKnight> Artimus: want kde4 too, can t manage to install it
[19:30] <Artimus> I had it installed at one time.  It was very very unfinished
[19:30] <DreadKnight> Artimus: damn broken packages :(
[19:30] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Installing WoW wasn't the problem.  I had it installed, up and running and everything was peachy.  I just couldn't have vent running with sound and WoW running with sound.
[19:30] <Artimus> DreadKnight: I had no issue with them being broken, just unfinished software
[19:31] <k4ever> hi all.  i'm using kubuntu 7.10 and i'm having trouble with compiz fusion.  is this a good place to ask for help?
[19:31] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I followed CrossOvers guide on how to make it do that, and then I had no sound whatsoever.
[19:31] <jussi01> !compiz | k4ever
[19:31] <ubotu> k4ever: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:31] <DreadKnight> k4ever: kwin will have compositing features in kde4 :P
[19:31] <Artimus> DreadKnight: Been here yet?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[19:31] <BluesKaj> !compiz | k4ever
[19:31] <BluesKaj> oops
[19:31] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Hey wait a minute... I can make a boot disk from my windows machine and use it on the linux machine, yea?
[19:32] <pros922> k4ever what kind of video card?
[19:32] <k4ever> ok will go there
[19:32] <DreadKnight> Artimus: yes, dependencies issues => broken packages
[19:32] <Dr_willis> I dont use crossover so cant tell ya how good they do things. If you want to be serious about running WoW on Linux . you may want to check out Cedega. its a coemrcial version of wine with focus ong ames.. and a very large forum on wine/Wow/Othergames issues.
[19:32] <k4ever> pros922:  nvidia geforce fx 7700
[19:32] <BluesKaj> DreadKnight, do you have synaptic installed ?
[19:32] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  No idea on the windows boot thing. :) CAN you do it? :) you are the Leet-Windows-haxor.
[19:32] <DreadKnight> BluesKaj: adept
[19:32] <jussi01> DreadKnight: did you try the remove command? even though you never had it before?
[19:32] <pros922> k4ever. You're in great shape then. NVIDIA works very easily. Minimal configuration compared to ATI
[19:32] <Artimus> DreadKnight: Bummer.  I'm sticking with KDE3 for now...  I'll be messing with KDE4 in Hardy, though...  I've got it installed in vmware
[19:32] <DreadKnight> jussi01: yes
[19:33] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  for a sound card. You might want to get a Creative Audigy 2zs or similer.. they are older cards.. but mine works like a champ
[19:33] <DreadKnight> Artimus: virtual machine get's stuck ... 512 ram.. hmm
[19:33] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  not sure how well some of the newer creative cards are supoported.
[19:33] <scart> anybody know where to turn for a compile error in kdebase in KDE 4.0?
[19:33] <Artimus> DreadKnight: I've got a gig.  384 for the VM
[19:33] <BluesKaj> DreadKnight, try synaptic ,..it has an option to fix broken pkges under it's edit tab
[19:34] <Artimus> ...  We really need to fix adept and borrow some features from Synaptic
[19:34] <sigma_> Artimus: lol same here, the screenshots that the kde devs are uploading are making me drool, lol. I don't have a high volume i-net connection so can't download the live cd's, all i got ahold of was the opensuse one and it was hopeless :), i think it was the suse backbone and not kde!
[19:34] <k4ever> for some reason the compiz settings manager will not store my changes when i log out.  i select "png" so i can use the splash and cube caps but when i log back into kde the splash is not there.  i go to ccsm and png is not select.
[19:34] <DreadKnight> BluesKaj: it's more a dependency issue... :| heh.. think i ll have to wait
[19:34] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  check the following
[19:34] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[19:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:34] <Artimus> sigma_: The one I used was pretty bad...  The applications were great, Konqueror definitely looks better, as does Dolphin.
[19:34] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  I'm tempted to yank the one out of the old computer and put it in here.  And Cedega appears to want me to subscribe in order to DL their software.  I'm not big on a monthly subscription fee.
[19:34] <Artimus> sigma_: But the actually "shell" so to speak is bad.
[19:35] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  kde/ccsm/compiz has an issue with one of the ways ccsm stores the settings.
[19:35] <il12> ok. question: Are there any particular advantages/disadvantages of using Kubuntu over Ubuntu?
[19:35] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  i think the 'flat file' setting is what you need.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> that's what synaptic does, it uninstalls the broken packages if the dependencies aren't met
[19:35] <Artimus> il12: KDE instead of GNOME
[19:35] <Artimus> il12: Only real difference, really.  Look at screenshots and see what you like more.
[19:35] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,  You just said somthing really odd.. You play WoW but said ' I'm not big on a monthly subscription fee.'
[19:35] <BluesKaj> DreadKnight, sorry for repeating myself, but that's what synaptic does, it uninstalls the broken packages if the dependencies aren't met
[19:36] <il12> Artimus: ty. SO it's just the GUI that is the difference?
[19:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[19:36] <DreadKnight> il12: i started with gnome... and converted recently  xD hated kde... but now i just love it
[19:36] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  Wow is worth it.
[19:36] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,   thats debateable...
[19:36] <k4ever> dr_willis:  i'm using flat file backend
[19:36] <Dr_willis> cedega has a Demo I recall also.
[19:36] <pros922> Agreed on WoW. Been a while, but what a great game
[19:36] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  im out of ideas then. sorry.
[19:36] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: Consider for an entire month of WoW, I spend less than a single night at the movies, and get a whole lot more enjoyment.
[19:36] <pros922> Anyone here do second life?
[19:36] <Artimus> il12: Correct.  They share the same packages for the other software
[19:36] <DreadKnight> BluesKaj: hmm :)
[19:36] <jussi01> !ot | pros922
[19:36] <ubotu> pros922: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[19:36] <il12> Artimus: tyvm.
[19:36] <aslam> can i downgrade from 64bit ubuntu to 32bit
[19:36] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: 6 months of WoW costs less than a single date night.
[19:36] <cj_> hi. how can i tell which package a file is from?
[19:36] <Dr_willis> of course theres the 'issue' i hear of - with Blizzard every so often Banning accounts using WINE/WoW.
[19:37] <Artimus> aslam: Nope, reinstall, sorry
[19:37] <jussi01> aslam: with a full reinstall
[19:37] <llutz> cj_: dpkg -S file
[19:37] <_Redondos_> Hi
[19:37] <mauri> BluesKaj: it told that the dvd is crypted and that i'm not allow to see it
[19:37] <Dr_willis> Old_Gregg,   if you play WoW enough. You dont ever have a date also! ;)
[19:37] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis: True.  That's the goal.
[19:37] <aslam> thanks
[19:37] <Old_Gregg> Dr_willis:  :D
[19:37] <Dr_willis> 1 Month of Cedega = Big Mac and Fries.
[19:37] <pros922> Big Mac sounds good right about now
[19:37] <aslam> is there anyway i can backup all my settings and programs and transfer it to my new install?
[19:38] <Dr_willis> I will stick with my LordOfThe Rings Online and its Lifetime accont i have.. :) I dont feel i have to play it every day
[19:38] <k4ever> don't worry, i'm asking the question in the #compiz-fusion channel now
[19:38] <Dr_willis> Plus my brother plays it more then i do.
[19:38] <Dr_willis> k4ever,  yea compiz - is such a... well.. work in progress
[19:38] <Artimus> aslam: You could copy your home directory to a flash drive
[19:38] <cj_> llutz: cheers
[19:38] <DreadKnight> aslam: um.. leave the home partition intact ? :P well, won't save the programs, just the settings
[19:39] <Artimus> Does Kubuntu make a home partition by default?
[19:39] <sigma_> Artimus: which live cd did you try? funnily enough alot of people have told me that the base was perfect
[19:39] <aslam> Artimus: wat about settings in the modprobe.d folder?
[19:39] <Artimus> (I always manually partition)
[19:39] <Artimus> sigma_: This was a while ago
[19:39] <_Redondos_> I installed the nvidia driver and enabled the tv out with dual view. The tv works fine, but in the pc monitor I see like the screen is higher than the monitor and when I move the cursor to the borders it "raises" to show me the complete screen...why that?
[19:39] <Dr_willis> aslam,  you may want to archive the home dir. then copy the archive to a other drive. then restore it fromt he archive.. permissions Might get messed up otherwise
[19:39] <mauri> I tried to see a dvd movie but kaffeine told that the dvd is crypted and that i'm not allow to see it
[19:39] <Artimus> aslam: Oh, those will be gone...
[19:39] <Old_Gregg> Can you run an ISO from a CD-RW?
[19:39] <Artimus> aslam: You could try to copy /etc over.  It'd probably mostly work...
[19:40] <Dr_willis> _Redondos_,  thats desktop panning. so you dont have dead zones  :)
[19:40] <aslam> Artimus: thanks
[19:40] <mauri> Old_Gregg: no is a origina dvd movie
[19:40] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: if you mount it to a virtual drive or if you burn it to a disk
[19:40] <Artimus> marui: You need to install libdvdcss2.  Someone gave you a link to it.
[19:40] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: aha...
[19:40] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: yes Desktop  panning...
[19:40] <Dr_willis> _Redondos_,  I normally have tv out + pc monitor. . want my xorg.conf?
[19:40] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  Right, so I can burn the iso to a CD-RW and it will work just as well as a CD-R?
[19:40] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: yes please
[19:40] <Artimus> mauri: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[19:40] <Hamra> hi, im installing kde4, and was following the instruction at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , im installing xserver-xephyr, after that, what should i do to run KDE4 as a full session? the commands mentioned are to be run in KDE? or with KDE not running?
[19:40] <cj_> Old_Gregg: mount it on a loop
[19:41] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  And when I tried to burn to my CD-RW last night, it said the disk was protected.
[19:41] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: do you understand what's my problem? because my english is not well
[19:41] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: re-writable disks are slower, but heh, you got plenty of time :P
[19:41] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  ass.  :P
[19:41] <sigma_> Artimus: ah i see, ya the one i tried was also one of the first ones, rather horrible, the icons were even missing (well most of them). at least the kubuntu devs will have a while to play with it between when the final comes out and hardy is released
[19:41] <Dr_willis> _Redondos_,  I dont have that issue on my setup. I have the tv set to one res. and the monitor set to another. Yours may be trying to be smart. hers is my xorg.conf ---->     http://pastebin.com/d1e30c7dc
[19:41] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: perhaps you re-write it too many times ?
[19:42] <cplusplus> sudo apt-get install openssl? i need lcrypto....does openssl include that?
[19:42] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  Is there a limit?
[19:42] <Dr_willis> well off for food.. back in a few hrs.
[19:42] <DreadKnight> Old_Gregg: yes, you can't rewrite the same re-writable cd for ever :D
[19:42] <Artimus> sigma_: Fair enough.  I hope to see good things in Hardy
[19:42] <BluesKaj> mauri , install the medibuntu repository on your sources.list or open adept , click on adept/manage repositories/kubuntu software "x" all the boxes , then open the third party tab and 'x" all the boxes there as well.
[19:43] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis:  ok. well I have enabled "dual monitor" from systemsettings "monitor" section
[19:44] <BluesKaj> mauri , then you can install libdvdscss2
[19:44] <sigma_> Artimus: dont we all. not too sure what gutsy did, dolphin was rather sad, along with strigi, and for some reason gdebi was trying to crash the hdd;s on my intel pc's. but on the brightside it did stop my laptop hdd from clicking at shutdown and reading the drive every 5secs during use
[19:44] <BluesKaj> mauri,  libdvdcss2
[19:45] <Hamra> can anyone help me?
[19:45] <sigma_> and that im rather grateful for
[19:45] <BluesKaj> !ask | Hamra
[19:45] <ubotu> Hamra: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:45] <Hamra> i already asked :  im installing kde4, and was following the instruction at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php , im installing xserver-xephyr, after that, what should i do to run KDE4 as a full session? the commands mentioned are to be run in KDE? or with KDE not running?
[19:45] <Dragnslcr> Hamra- if you want to run KDE4 as a normal session, select it on the login screen
[19:46] <Hamra> ok thnx
[19:46] <Old_Gregg> DreadKnight:  How utterly depressing.
[19:46] <sigma_> oh guys, if my cdrom is known as "scd" and my hard drive "sda" does this mean that they are both sata devices?
[19:46] <DreadKnight> Hamra: you lucky....  i could't get to install kde4 xD
[19:46] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis:ahh but you used nvidia-xconfig
[19:46] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: I used nvidia-glx-config to setup the card
[19:46] <coverer> hello!
[19:46] <sigma_> DreadKnight: tried the live cd?
[19:46] <_Redondos_> Dr_willis: and then systemsettinmgs to set dual view
[19:47] <jussi01> DreadKnight: I assume you have: sudo apt-get install - f
[19:47] <DreadKnight> sigma_: nope, perhaps i'll just do that :\
[19:47] <DreadKnight> jussi01: that too
[19:47] <DreadKnight> jussi01: trying with synaptic in a minute
[19:47] <Schuenemann> I unzip a superkaramba file, edited one file and zipped it back, now I can't open it: "Could not read config file". What's wrong?
[19:47] <coverer> I've just successuflly insalled kubuntu 7.10 and now having problems with mp3
[19:47] <sigma_> DreadKnight: sometimes its better to not install alongside kde3, may cause some issues with kde3
[19:47] <jussi01> !mp3 | coverer
[19:47] <ubotu> coverer: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[19:48] <DreadKnight> sigma_: hmm... yeah..
[19:48] <mauri> Artimus: thank you very much. It had been easy with your help
[19:48] <mauri> Old_Gregg: : thank you very much. It had been easy with your help
[19:48] <Old_Gregg> mauri:  I didn't do nothing.
[19:48] <Old_Gregg> mauri:  But you're welcome.
[19:49] <BluesKaj> hehe
[19:49] <coverer> i cant't use only free formats - i have a lot of disks with mp3 files
[19:49] <jussi01> coverer: check the first link.
[19:49] <mauri> Old_Gregg: just a question...is ti 7.10 a stable versions or you had find some problems?
[19:49] <Old_Gregg> Alrighty, in about an hour, Ubuntu DIES!  :D  Thanks for your help DreadKnight and Dr_willis.  Have a great day!
[19:50] <BluesKaj> mauri, it was me who helped you :)
[19:52] <mauri> BluesKaj: sorry sorry
[19:52] <mauri> BluesKaj: thanks you
[19:52] <mauri> BluesKaj: I made a mistakes with the name
[19:53] <mauri> BluesKaj: : just a question...is ti 7.10 a stable versions or you had find some problems?
[19:55] <Schuenemann> oh, well, the problem was solved not zipping it back
[19:55] <Gast263> hi
[19:55] <Gast263> can someone help me plz?
[19:55] <jussi01> !ask | Gast263
[19:55] <ubotu> Gast263: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[19:56] <Gast263> ok sry, well, i ve just installed wine but it always shows that i havent a c: drive
[19:56] <Gast263> and i want to run WoW with wine
[19:56] <DreadKnight> Gast263: in your home  under /.wine you have a folder drive_c
[19:57] <coverer> one more kubuntu 7.10 problem... i've tried "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" command as suggested, but got a message that kubuntu-restriced-extras not found...
[19:57] <Gast263> how can i check this?
[19:57] <Gast263> cause . means that it is invisible, aight?
[19:57] <jussi01> Gast263: view -> show hidden files
[19:58] <DreadKnight> Gast263: indeed :), if using dolphin, you have a button the edit the location, go from there (auto completion very helpful) of just reveal the hidden files from the view menu
[19:58] <Schuenemann> yes, the dot means hidden
[19:58] <Gast263> ok, well
[19:59] <Gast263> i have the folder .wine but it only contains system.reg and user.reg
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Gast263: sudo apt-get purge wine
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Gast263: sudo apt-get install wine
[19:59] <DreadKnight> Gast263: hope that will fix it
[19:59] <Gast263> which one first?
[20:00] <DreadKnight> Gast263: that order
[20:00] <coverer> one more kubuntu 7.10 problem... i've tried "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras" command as suggested, but got a message that kubuntu-restriced-extras not found... where can I add external packages sources and where can I find the list of those?
[20:00] <jussi01> Gast263: before you do, have you run winecfg yet?
[20:00] <jussi01> coverer: in adept - manage repositories
[20:01] <Gast263> yes and if i try to make a C: dir with the cfg, it works, and when i restart wine again the c: dir is disappeared
[20:01] <jussi01> Gast263: follow DreadKnight 's instructions then :)
[20:01] <Gast263> just doin it
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> hello, I have the following problem: I bought a new LCD monitor, Kubuntu is fine, X runs fine
[20:02] <BluesKaj> coverer ,install the medibuntu repository on your sources.list,  or open adept , click on adept/manage repositories/kubuntu software "x" all the boxes , then open the third party tab and 'x" all the boxes there as well.
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> but during load when I have to see kubuntu splash screen it says: Please, change your resolution to ... and refresh rate to 60 Hz
[20:02] <Dr_willis> DreadKnight,  Purging wine will NOT remove the users configuration files.
[20:02] <Zvezdichko> where can I do that?
[20:02] <Dr_willis> at least Id hope it wont.. :)
[20:03] <Gast263> ok now i resintalled wine
[20:03] <jussi01> Dr_willis: isnt that what a purge is supposed to do?
[20:03] <Dr_willis> jussi01,  SYSTEM config files.. Not user config files
[20:04] <Dr_willis> it would really suck if the package manager started messing in the /home dirs of every user
[20:04] <NeoFax> Hello everyone
[20:04] <Gast263> now i started the config and recieved a few warnings, is this normal?
[20:05] <Dr_willis> what if you removed say.. kde with purge. would that get rid of every .kde* dir  that all the users have? :)
[20:05] <LjL> Dr_willis: well, being able to track who created which config files wouldn't be a bad thing, though
[20:05] <jussi01> Dr_willis: point taken ;)
[20:05] <Dr_willis> LjL,   it does.. for the system settings. :) but then again.. what happens in /home stays in /home :)
[20:06] <Dr_willis> if you want  the users /home/whatever/configfile to be updated syste wide. I gyuess ya could make links from it to a system config.
[20:06] <LjL> Dr_willis: yes i don't see anything against the *user* being provided with a command to purge *their own* applications' config files
[20:06] <Dr_willis> or edit /etc/skel so new users get the right settings.
[20:06] <Gast263> however it doesnt work
[20:06] <LjL> yes=yet
[20:07] <Dr_willis> There is getting to be way way way too much config cruft in my home dir sadly. :(
[20:07] <Dr_willis> every little program wants its own .configname dir or .configfile
[20:07] <LjL> Dr_willis: that's why such a facility as i mentioned would help, imo.
[20:07] <Dr_willis> of course getting a decent 'standard' discussed would be good also.
[20:08] <LjL> it doesn't have to be black or white, where black is "a purge by root removes everything", and white is "home files are never ever touched"
[20:08] <Dr_willis> Theres some progress.. but i still see a lot of cruft. and redundantcy
[20:08] <Dr_willis> Heck. I dont think the default theme for Ubuntu is even saved in a theme file. I recall.
[20:08] <Dr_willis> its setup that way.. if a user changes themes. they cant easially go back to the original. (that may bee changed now however)
[20:09] <Dr_willis> Is Kubunu default desktop/theme the same way? i never noticed.
[20:10] <cplusplus> what is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lidn ?
[20:12] <ardchoille> Did /usr/bin/find change recently?
[20:14] <Schuenemann> where is kubuntu's temperature info stored? I need that for a karamba theme
[20:14] <jpatrick> cplusplus: I think you have to install libidn11
[20:15] <cplusplus> whats that?
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> !sensors | Schuenemann
[20:15] <ubotu> Schuenemann: You might find something useful at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto
[20:15] <cplusplus> libidn11 is already the newest version.
[20:15] <cplusplus> @<jpatrick>
[20:16] <jpatrick> cplusplus: no idea then :/
[20:16] <cplusplus> hm
[20:16] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, is there an overhead for enabling those sensors?
[20:16] <Schuenemann> not taking karamba into account
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: if you have anything over a 100mhz computer,you certainly won't notice it :D
[20:17] <Schuenemann> hmm looks good
[20:18] <Schuenemann> thanks
[20:19] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, This is usually safe though <- I hate this message
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> what? yeah, it can't hurt your computer
[20:20] <Schuenemann> then, why USUALLy safe, not ALWAYS safe? :p
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> where is that?
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> if its on the howto... i've never read it ;)
[20:21] <Schuenemann> Some chips are also accessible through the ISA I/O ports. We have to
[20:21] <Schuenemann> write to arbitrary I/O ports to probe them
[20:21] <Schuenemann> oops, sorry
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> Sch
[20:21] <Schuenemann> well, it's on the sensors detection itself
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> ah ok
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> I have NEVER heardof it harming someone.
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> don't worry ;)
[20:22] <Schuenemann> thanks... btw, have you ever tried it? :p
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> yes
[20:22] <rinaldi_> when i try to access my second hard drive (containing my other OS) in konqueror, i get the eroor message "hal-storage-mixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000". why would this be and how can i fix it?
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: several times on several computers
[20:23] <Schuenemann> hehe alright
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: you need to either mount it as root, or change the mount permissions
[20:23] <rinaldi_> ok
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: change the mount permissions can be done from system settings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[20:24] <rinaldi_> nosrednaekim: ok thanks
[20:24] <JM> good evening folks! .... Anyone know when KDE4 is going to be released? Any good web sources please?
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> JM: january 17 I think
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[20:24] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[20:24] <NeoFax> JM: In Jan 08
[20:24] <Dragnslcr> JM- last schedule I saw was for January 11
[20:25] <Dr_willis> of 2050 :)
[20:25] <JM> brilliant thanks peeps
[20:25] <Schuenemann> is anyone using RC2? is it stable?
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: been running it for 3 weeks
[20:25] <NeoFax> Schuenemann: I have tried it.
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: rock solid
[20:25] <Schuenemann> how's it look?
[20:25] <Schuenemann> heh cool
[20:25] <NeoFax> It is missing some features that 3.5.8 has, but a much better foundation I think.
[20:26] <Dragnslcr> I tried it a bit. Seemed like a lot was still missing, especially in the configuration area
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: looks great. but yeah, alot of things aren't configurable (yet)
[20:26] <JM> is it a good idea 2 use as a production environment or wait for a few release hence
[20:26] <nosrednaekim> JM: wait.
[20:27] <Schuenemann> I'd wait
[20:27] <Dragnslcr> Production environment?
[20:27] <NeoFax> JM: I would wait until 4.1 for a production system.
[20:27] <Schuenemann> in his work computers :)
[20:27] <Dragnslcr> Like company workstations?
[20:27] <ardchoille> How do I get konqueror to download a .pdf file instead of displaying it?
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> I'm only using it only because I need to be prepared to help people with it when everyone goes to it.
[20:27] <JM> prithass it ... where ur life would depend on it :o)
[20:27] <NeoFax> ardchoille: Right vlick and save as.
[20:27] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, you're part of the development team?
[20:27] <Dragnslcr> I always think of "production environment" as servers, but I guess that's just me
[20:27] <ardchoille> NeoFax: The right click tried to save a .php file
[20:27] <rinaldi_> nosrednaekim: im in disks and filesystems yet can't find how to change permissions...
[20:28] <JM> production environemnet i mean ... whwere ur life would depend on it
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: not really, more of a over-dedicated community support member :D
[20:28] <NeoFax> ardchoille: Sorry, I don't know.  In firefox I use an extension for PDF's that aloows exactly that.
[20:28] <Schuenemann> JM, you use it in a hospital?
[20:29] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't think that "where your life would depend on it" would be running a generic version of Kubuntu anyway
[20:29] <ardchoille> NeoFax: ok
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> rinaldi_: select te disk you want to mount. and select edit on the bottom of the page (you may need to be in admin mode)
[20:29] <theunixgeek> Hi. I just installed the Apache server software on a Kubuntu box; how do I get it up and running now?
[20:29] <NeoFax> Dragnslcr: Why not?  Linux is just as good or better in most instances than Windows.  Especially Real Time setups.
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> !LAMP
[20:29] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[20:30] <JM> Scheuenemann: of course not in a hospital env :o) .... just as a main day o day desktop env
[20:30] <Dragnslcr> NeoFax- Linux != off-the-shelf Kubuntu
[20:30] <Schuenemann> JM, you're very dramatic :-)
[20:31] <Dragnslcr> I would expect a place like a hospital would run a highly customized distribution
[20:31] <NeoFax> Yes, you can use OTS Kubuntu and change it how you want.  Linux is the kernel., everything else is a compilation that a distribution decides to bundle.
[20:31] <JM> yes sorry. its sunday night and ive had a bad day :o)
[20:31] <theunixgeek> nosrednaekim: I only want the A  in LAMP tho
[20:32] <NeoFax> There is software specifically for hospitals and I know of clinics that do use linux distros as their work environments.
[20:32] <Schuenemann> ardchoille, why do you use konqueror?
[20:33] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: Apache is already pre-setup with a generic config.  To start it just do sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start.
[20:33] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: thanks
[20:33] <ardchoille> Schuenemann: It's part of kde, it's not as bloated as firefox, it doesn't have the many memory leaks as firefox, it runs faster?
[20:33] <jpatrick> Schuenemann: it rocks? :)
[20:33] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: ok. now what? like where do I put my webpage?
[20:34] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: what directory, that is
[20:34] <ardchoille> jpatrick: :)
[20:34] <JM> i read recently that Kubuntu 8.04 will not be deemed a LTS editions due to the new KDE4 being included. wonder why?
[20:34] <Dr_willis> We talking about Opera? :)
[20:34] <Schuenemann> I think it sucks as web browser
[20:34] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: In /var/wwww
[20:34] <emilsedgh> yes, the answer is 'It Rocks'
[20:34] <jpatrick> JM: help us develop KDE4?
[20:34] <Dr_willis> When in doubt take the cautious approach for LTS  editions. :)
[20:34] <JM> i cant sorry. not a developer unfortunatley otherwise i would no question
[20:34] <NeoFax> JM: It will be a LTS distro.  The KDE4 will be an additional CD.
[20:34] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: thanks
[20:35] <cheguevara__> huh
[20:35] <jpatrick> JM: maintaining KDE3 and KDE4 versions of hardy would be hard
[20:35] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: would someone by able to access it by ip address?
[20:35] <cheguevara__> NeoFax, who sai that
[20:35] <cheguevara__> *sai
[20:35] <jpatrick> NeoFax: it won't
[20:35] <ardchoille> NeoFax: 8.04 won't be LTS
[20:35] <JM> what u mean take a cautious apporach? sorry should have mentioned, I'm a new linux user and want to move from vista asap
[20:35] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: If you open your router to point to that IP
[20:35] <jpatrick> NeoFax: because Canonical has decided not to support it
[20:35] <theunixgeek> NeoFax: what do you mean?
[20:35] <NeoFax> cheguevara__: Jonathan Riddel on his blog
[20:36] <Dr_willis> JM,   when comming out with New products  that your company will be supporting for several years.. its good business sence to be very.. conservitive.
[20:36] <JM> dr_willis: i see thanks
[20:36] <Dr_willis> Im suprised they even put compiz in by default in Gutsy. :) but there was such a demand for the eye candy.
[20:37] <NeoFax> cheguevara__: Check out this website:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-December/002066.html
[20:37] <Dr_willis> Wiggly windows addiction!
[20:37] <JM> jpatrick: i see also. good point. didnt think of it like that
[20:38] <jussi01> Can we keep this to Kubuntu support? If you want to chat, please head to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:38] <jpatrick> NeoFax: nop, Kubuntu Hardy won't be LTS
[20:38] <JM> i got compizfision working in ubuntu (cant remember how) but would love to get it working in kubuntu. can someone point me to a good site that explains all?
[20:38] <Schuenemann> !lt
[20:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:38] <Schuenemann> !lts
[20:38] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[20:38] <NeoFax> theunixgeek: The system you are using needs to be accesible to the internet for people to see it.  If you are behind a router that NATs your address, you will need to open the ports to forward to your system.  Also, if you want people to go to your website without using a long revolving IP, use a dunamic DNS service.
[20:38] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[20:38] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:44] <execut> selam
[20:45] <execut> arkadaşlar kubuntu kullanıyorum bir problemim var
[20:45] <execut> yardımcı olabilecek bir arkadaşım varmı?
[20:45] <Schuenemann> !tu
[20:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:46] <jussi01> !tr
[20:46] <ubotu> Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[20:46] <NeoFax> To all; I am sorry for the previous statement about the LTS release.  I assumed Kubuntu 8.04 would be an LTS version based off of some statements I had read on plaet.kde.org, but jpatrick corrected my assumption.
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> turkish? wouldna guessed :D
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> !tk
[20:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:46] <Schuenemann> !tr | execut
[20:46] <ubotu> execut: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[20:47] <Schuenemann> oops, someone already did it
[20:47] <Dragnslcr> 8.04 was supposed to be an LTS version
[20:47] <Dragnslcr> This is actually the first time I've heard that it won't be
[20:47] <jpatrick> please take all LTS talk to #kubuntu-offtopic
[20:48] <intelikey> Dragnslcr whence is the information "<Dragnslcr> 8.04 was supposed to be an LTS version" ?
[20:48] <Dr_willis> the most ive heard talk about LTS in ages.. :) i wonder if anyone in here is actually running the LTS version?
[20:48] <intelikey> Dr_willis
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: !!!! welcome back!!!
[20:48] <Dr_willis> :) we still suport the old lts  here at least. :)
[20:49] <Dragnslcr> intelikey- just what I kept hearing from everyone around here
[20:49] <Dragnslcr> I can't remember where I first saw it
[20:49] <intelikey> nosrednaekim :)
[20:49] <Dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  in #ubuntu+1 they were discussing it. and on the forums
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> hows the world of two bit color?
[20:50] <intelikey> Dragnslcr hmmm ok.    but wouldn't the place to check be the distro page ?
[20:50] <intelikey> !release
[20:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[20:52] <Dr_willis> 5 years,, thats like.. eons! in Comptuer time. :)
[20:52] <Dr_willis> 5 Years ago. where were we..
[20:52] <jussi01> Dr_willis: Please take it to Offtopic!
[20:52] <Dragnslcr> intelikey- https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> Windows ME
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> XD
[20:53] <Dr_willis> Ok ok.. :) has ubuntu even been around for 5 years? Time to check the book at   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[20:53] <intelikey> Dr_willis no.  but almost.
[20:53] <Schuenemann> ubuntu is the best invention since the wheel
[20:54] <intelikey> Schuenemann heh. the wheel was an invention  ubuntu is and adaptation.
[20:54] <Dr_willis> and Kubuntu is the Wheel with Nice treads.. and Compiz is the Wheel with those useless spinning Hubcaps!
[20:54] <Dr_willis> :P
[20:54] <Schuenemann> :D
[20:54] <Dragnslcr> Hehe
[20:56] <execut> This backtrace appears to be of no use.
[20:56] <execut> This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the crash.
[20:56] <execut> (no debugging symbols found)
[20:56] <execut> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[20:56] <jussi01> !paste | execut
[20:56] <ubotu> execut: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:56] <execut> im sory
[20:56] <Schuenemann> I don't think he'll read that
[20:56] <intelikey> it's like fishing for improved-brim   more flounce per ounce but more work before you can eat...
[21:00] <Bardamu> Hello
[21:00] <execut> hello
[21:01] <Dr_willis> Jello
[21:01] <intelikey> Bardamu
[21:01] <Bardamu> http://pastebin.ca/830181
[21:02] <Bardamu> execut has this message when he close kde
[21:03] <Bardamu> and he can't change the system's language
[21:03] <intelikey> install the needed language pack ?
[21:04] <intelikey> as to the "crash" i'm like the message it's writen in.   "there is no useful information there"
[21:05] <Bardamu> it's a crash of kde when he try to install needed language pack
[21:05] <bentob0x> how do you 'disable' fonts  you have installed without deleting them?
[21:05] <bentob0x> !fonts
[21:05] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[21:05] <ardchoille> !nickspam | Rommel
[21:05] <ubotu> Rommel: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[21:05] <execut> !fonts
[21:06] <intelikey> Bardamu kde4 ?
[21:08] <intelikey> !ot > intelikey
[21:08]  * intelikey was anticipating
[21:08] <Bardamu>  kde 3.5.8
[21:08] <Bardamu> intelikey:
[21:09] <intelikey> Bardamu hmmm.   and adept brings down the xserver when installing language*pack*
[21:09] <intelikey> ?
[21:11] <Bardamu> intelikey: yes
[21:11] <paRaDoX> hi
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> hey paRaDoX
[21:12] <intelikey> Bardamu drop to a console and use    apt-get install    on the same package.  it will show any error messages that might be pertanant.
[21:12] <paRaDoX> next version of kubuntu will use KDE 4 ?
[21:12] <intelikey> Bardamu you do know about linux console/tty  correct ?
[21:13] <Bardamu> intelikey: what is the name of language package for turkish ?
[21:13] <intelikey> Bardamu  apt-cache search turk
[21:13] <Bardamu> intelikey: i know ubuntu a litle , but yes i know about linux console/tty
[21:13] <intelikey> should list what's apropose
[21:13] <paRaDoX> KDE 4 in next kubuntu ?
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> paRaDoX: yes
[21:14] <paRaDoX> nICE !!!!!!!!!
[21:15] <intelikey> paRaDoX i'd say it depends on when kde4 is officially released relative to when the package inclusion is "frozen" for the next release
[21:15] <intelikey> always works to figure it that way.
[21:16] <Bardamu> intelikey: it's fixed i believe. It worked after updating the system
[21:16] <intelikey> Bardamu tov
[21:17] <Bardamu> intelikey: what does it mean "tov" ? :p
[21:17] <intelikey> good
[21:18] <Bardamu> Ok, i'm french , thanks for your help
[21:18] <intelikey> welcome.
[21:18] <Dr_willis> French! Egads! :)
[21:18] <Dr_willis> So is my brother in law..
[21:19] <intelikey> oh.  well i started to say   "be nice"  but in that case you probably have plenty to say....
[21:19] <Dr_willis> Hes a good sport about all the kidding we give him.  Of course he calls us Fat Lazy Americans. and we are all real real skinny.
[21:19] <intelikey> flab  ^
[21:19] <Dr_willis> he got stopped for speeding.. so he dident speak any english on purpose.. he got off with a warning. :)
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> !ot
[21:20] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[21:20]  * intelikey anticipated to early.
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> :D
[21:20] <intelikey> :)
[21:20] <Dr_willis> Heh.. he IS a real French Chef also.  How sterotypical is that.
[21:20] <Dr_willis> well back to reading.
[21:21] <Dr_willis> On a Ubuntu Topic - anyone else been reading/checking out the books at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[21:21] <intelikey> !i
[21:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:21] <Bardamu> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[21:22] <intelikey> silly bot.    i wish ubotu would ignore single char calls.
[21:22] <Bardamu> i spoke so far , for kopete it's not fixed :p
[21:22] <jussi01> !u > intelikey
[21:22] <intelikey> jussi01 !i  :)
[21:23] <intelikey> jussi01 if you are a code haxor then !i is the only way you can remember to say "not me"  :)
[21:24] <gabriel__> hello, i have geforce 8800 and have the latest driver installed. Now i just need to actually active compiz fusion... but i still don't get any wobbly windows :(
[21:24] <gabriel__> what do i need to check?
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> gabriel__: you ran "compiz --replace?
[21:24] <Schuenemann> who maintains ubotu's list of commands?
[21:24] <gabriel__> hmm i did compiz config BEFORE i installed my new gf card though..
[21:25] <gabriel__> nosrednaekim: so maybe i need to configure compiz once again?
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> !bot
[21:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:25] <nosrednaekim> gabriel__: maybe... you may have disabled wobbly windows.
[21:25] <youri> hello all
[21:25] <gabriel__> nosrednaekim:  wow it worked
[21:26] <intelikey> Bardamu you installed both the language-pack-tr and the language-pack-kde-tr as well as kde-i18n-tr   ?
[21:26] <Dr_willis> all bow down to the power of the Wobbly Windows!
[21:26] <gabriel__> nosrednaekim: so how do i automate that?
[21:26] <jussi01> !autostart | gabriel__
[21:26] <ubotu> gabriel__: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> gabriel__: you need to add compiz --replace to your !autostart
[21:26] <intelikey> Bardamu you probably want each of them.
[21:27] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, what does that "suggest" mean?
[21:27] <intelikey> Bardamu there is also  language-pack-gnome-tr   if you use gnome any...
[21:27] <gabriel__> aha thanks.. i thought that would be more automated :P
[21:27] <Bardamu> hm.. Ok
[21:27] <Schuenemann> You can also suggest new factoids to ubotu
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: what suggest?
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> Schuenemann: yeah, I don't know how to do that
[21:27] <nosrednaekim> #ubuntu-bots should have more info
[21:27] <Dr_willis> How about a factoid for the Training books ... --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[21:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:28] <Schuenemann> nosrednaekim, there is the syntax there, I just wonder what is  that "suggest" exacly
[21:28] <intelikey> Bardamu if that doesn't get you fixed up.  maybe Dr_willis or someone can help you trubble shoot,    i have to go now.
[21:28] <jussi01> Schuenemann: start a pm with ubotu  and then do !facoid is <reply> suggestion
[21:28] <Bardamu> intelikey: ok thanks no problem excit it's gone also :p
[21:28] <intelikey> tre bon chance with it.
[21:28] <jussi01> Dr_willis: Ok, we know about the training books...
[21:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:29] <Dr_willis> Im trying to figure out how to order a few copies for friends at work.
[21:29] <Bardamu> merci :)
[21:29] <Schuenemann> jussi01, well, now they'll have to bother with a useless test factoid :)
[21:30] <conrad_> hey, anyone know what's up with apt-get only checking the cd for packages, not the internet?
[21:30] <jussi01> Schuenemann: please dont do that to us...
[21:30] <Schuenemann> jussi01, it was your fault.  I just wanted to know how the factoid was supposed to be added and you told me to add one.
[21:32] <conrad_> oh. i feel dumb, thanks neofax
[21:32] <jussi01> conrad_: or even easier, use the manage repositories in adept
[21:33] <jussi01> conrad_: just untick the cd in there
[21:33] <conrad_> ah. crazy graphical UIs!
[21:33] <conrad_> heh, didn't know about that one. thanks guys
[21:34] <il12> Is there a codec I can get for Amarok so that it will be compatible with MP3 files?
[21:34] <Schuenemann> !libxine-extracodecs
[21:34] <jpatrick> il12: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[21:34] <NeoFax> gabriel__: In ccsm there is a extension that allows you to tell compiz what programs to not mess with.
[21:34] <gabriel__> ccsm?
[21:35] <jussi01> !ccsm
[21:35] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[21:35] <gabriel__> ok that i have
[21:35] <jussi01> Schuenemann: no, I told you how to add one...