[02:29] <axw> wallyworld_: reviewed, let me know what you think
[02:29] <wallyworld_> sure ty
[02:36] <wallyworld_> axw: i had to move providerregistry to avoid circular imports, from memory with LoopProviderType. i think adding a registry package is a good idea
[03:47] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld_: thnx for env destroy and suggestions :D
[03:47] <anastasiamac_> waigani: ^^ not wallyworld_
[03:47] <waigani> anastasiamac_: welcome :)
[03:47] <anastasiamac_> waigani: i'll put on my todo list
[03:48] <anastasiamac_> waigani: but while tests pass with calling RemoveEnvironment
[03:48] <anastasiamac_> waigani: probably not so high a priority to change :D
[03:48] <waigani> anastasiamac_: absolutely. Nothing urgent. I just wanted to follow up from last week.
[03:49] <anastasiamac_> waigani: it's awesome! thank u :D
[03:49] <anastasiamac_> waigani: ur thoughtfulness is highly appreciated!
[03:50] <waigani> :)
[06:54] <wallyworld_> jam: hey, did you discuss with mark the storage CLI?
[06:55] <wallyworld_> axw: ty for review, that branch now merged
[06:55] <axw> wallyworld_: cool :)
[06:58] <wallyworld_> axw: i'll now convert Pool to storage.Config etc
[08:17] <jam> dimitern: poke?
[08:18] <dimitern> jam, I've got kicked out
[08:18] <dimitern> jam, and now I'm the only one in the hangout
[08:25] <TheMue> morning
[08:28] <dimitern> TheMue, o/
[08:28] <TheMue> dimitern: o/
[10:00] <dooferlad> dimitern, TheMue, voidspace: standup?
[10:00] <TheMue> dooferlad: sure ;)
[10:01] <dimitern> omw
[11:21] <TheMue> phew, all those nested references to network parameters :/
[11:40] <wallyworld> jam: hey there
[11:43] <jam> wallyworld: hey
[11:44] <wallyworld> jam: have you had a chance to talk to mark about the storage CLI changes we are proposing?
[11:44] <jam> I have not, though I'd still advise you to make progress and I'll chat with him about it.
[11:45] <wallyworld> ok, will do, thanks
[11:50] <axw> wallyworld: which changes are those?
[11:50] <wallyworld> axw: the ones where we use 3 levels
[11:50] <wallyworld> juju storage pool create
[11:50] <wallyworld> as oposed to
[11:50] <wallyworld> juju storage create-pool
[11:51] <axw> wallyworld: I thought nobody liked it?
[11:51] <wallyworld> the spec says create-pool
[11:51] <wallyworld> axw: i sent an email saying we were revisiting it (or at least i thought i did)
[11:51] <axw> ok, I probably just forgot
[11:52] <wallyworld> np, i thin storage pool create etc is better
[11:52] <wallyworld> so want to try and get that approved
[11:53] <wallyworld> axw: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1JMDDOPXHV6SPrTSA3SRb_qyyRUYcz7huo_tTIjD8UOc
[11:53] <axw> wallyworld: ta
[11:56] <axw> wallyworld: I think we'd still have "juju storage add", at the top level, allowing you to add storage instances to a unit or service
[11:57] <axw> wallyworld: just saying since it's missing from the first "--help" output example .. not sure if that's meant to be complete
[11:57] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld: axw: jam: thnx :D
[11:57] <wallyworld> axw: yes, true. i was mainly focusing on what we had implemented so far
[11:57] <wallyworld> axw: feel free to add to doc to make it more completed
[11:58] <wallyworld> i just update dsharing
[12:53] <wwitzel3> wallyworld: thanks for the review
[12:53] <wallyworld> sure, np
[12:53] <wallyworld> thanks for fix, will be good to get 1.21/1.22 out
[13:20] <wallyworld> axw: oarsome, thanks for review
[13:20] <axw> wallyworld: nps
[13:42] <rogpeppe> where can i go to to find out whether juju-core updates are currently blocked?
[13:42] <jw4> rogpeppe: http://goo.gl/4zd1e9
[13:43] <rogpeppe> jw4: so, any critical bugs == blocked ?
[13:43] <jw4> rogpeppe: yeah, that's basically the same query CI uses
[13:43] <rogpeppe> jw4: ta
[13:43] <jw4> rogpeppe: if you prefer json: https://api.launchpad.net/devel/juju-core?ws.op=searchTasks&status%3Alist=Triaged&status%3Alist=In+Progress&status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&importance%3Alist=Critical&tags%3Alist=regression&tags%3Alist=ci&tags_combinator=All
[13:43]  * rogpeppe puts the PR on hold for a bit more
[13:44] <rogpeppe> jw4: that json query doesn't give me any results
[13:44] <jw4> rogpeppe: hmm; my JSON query shows zero though... yeag
[13:44] <jw4> yeah
[13:45] <rogpeppe> jw4: (JSON is indeed preferable for me in this case)
[13:45] <jw4> rogpeppe: I personally use the JSON one :)
[13:46] <rogpeppe> jw4: except it doesn't work :)
[13:46] <jw4> rogpeppe: I wonder if the 'Incomplete' status is why it's not showing
[13:48] <rogpeppe> jw4: this one also return empty: http 'https://api.launchpad.net/devel/juju-core?ws.op=searchTasks&status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&importance%3Alist=Critical&tags%3Alist=regression&tags%3Alist=ci&tags_combinator=All'
[13:48] <anastasiamac_> jw4: this query is helpful in most cases... however, in this particular case, it's not right
[13:48] <anastasiamac_> jw4: TRUNK IS NOT BLOCKED
[13:48] <anastasiamac_> jw4: sorry for caps...
[13:48] <rogpeppe> jw4: but removing the Fix+Committed qualification makes it work
[13:48] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: that's useful to know!
[13:48] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: thanks
[13:48] <jw4> anastasiamac_, rogpeppe yeah - thanks!
[13:49] <anastasiamac_> jw4: did not mean to cap :D
[13:49] <jw4> anastasiamac_: lol
[13:49] <rogpeppe> so it seems that it might be nice to have an indepdendent source of truth maintained so that we can actually see whether it's blocked or not
[13:49] <anastasiamac_> jw4: but landing has been happening today :D
[13:49] <anastasiamac_> rogpeppe: +1 this would be gr* and was the intention of jw4's query...
[13:49] <rogpeppe> and so that the criteria can be changed without everyone needing to update their search query
[13:50] <rogpeppe> perhaps someone can grab are-juju-core-commits-blocked.com :)
[13:51] <anastasiamac_> rogpeppe: and make it branch specific too, so if u were curious about 1.21, u'd b able to "know" at a glance..
[13:51] <rogpeppe> it would be even better if the 'bot automatically retried previously blocked commits after blocking is removed
[13:51] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: yeah
[13:52] <anastasiamac_> rogpeppe: not sure about automatically re-try but at least notifying the person that tried to merge :D
[13:53] <anastasiamac_> rogpeppe: it's nice to dream... especially since it's midnight here :D m eod-ing
[13:53] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: i think an automatic retry would be best, particularly if no further commits have been pushed or comments made since the block message
[13:53] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: good night
[13:53] <anastasiamac_> rogpeppe: nite
[13:53] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: i had no idea you were that far east!
[13:56] <anastasiamac_> rogpeppe: Surprise :D
[13:58] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac_: eastern australia?
[14:01] <TheMue> yummy, api/apiserver tests are passing again
[14:12] <TheMue> dimitern: I'll keep the NetworkInfo. we've several other types and fields named based on it. so we (a) would get inconsistent or (b) change the wire protocol
[14:15] <dimitern> TheMue, what are these cases?
[14:16] <TheMue> dimitern: e.g. MachineNetworkInfoResult with the Info field and MachineNetworkInfoResults containing the former
[14:18] <dimitern> TheMue, that's fine - the field can be called Info, but the internal type should be params.NetworkConfig
[14:19] <TheMue> dimitern: and so don't change the name of the types too?
[14:19] <dimitern> TheMue, I'd add a TODO comment there to change the field from Info to Config
[14:19] <dimitern> TheMue, or even name the field Config but leave the json:"Info" tag on it
[14:20] <dimitern> TheMue, which types?
[14:20] <TheMue> dimitern: MachineNetworkInfoResult in MachineNetworkConfigResult, and ...Results too
[14:21] <dimitern> TheMue, ah, ok - let's call them MachineNetworkConfigResult etc. as the type names don't matter
[14:21] <TheMue> dimitern: also in the code we reference it as info :D
[14:21] <TheMue> dimitern: but that's easy to change
[14:21] <dimitern> TheMue, cheers :)
[14:24] <rogpeppe> so can someone tell me a definitive query that lets me know whether juju-core commits are blocked, please?
[14:24] <TheMue> dimitern: networks counterpart in one place is InterfaceInfo *lol* the trail of the info
[14:29] <dimitern> TheMue, indeed, we'll likely change that at some point as well
[14:29] <mgz> rogpeppe: `bzr branch lp:juju-ci-tools; cd juju-ci-tools; ./check-blockers.py master ${YOUR_PR}`
[14:29] <dimitern> TheMue, but the params.NetworkConfig should correspond to network.InterfaceInfo for now
[14:29] <rogpeppe> mgz: thank you
[14:29] <TheMue> dimitern: I'll add TODOs
[14:30] <dimitern> TheMue, +1
[14:32] <rogpeppe> mgz: one tiny change - the "-" should actually be "_" there
[14:32] <jw4> mgz: thanks, i've been looking this morning for that repo again, but I couldn't remember where it was
[14:32] <mgz> ups yeah, underscores
[14:34] <rogpeppe> mgz: it would probably be better overall if it was an online status, because if someone changes the criteria, i'll have to re-pull that repo
[14:39] <mgz> we've talked about putting it on reports
[14:41] <mgz> you could still have an out of date page, running the script is just what the lander does in practice
[14:41] <mgz> I struggle to believe pull/run script is that complex for a bunch of elite programmers
[14:42] <jw4> mgz: tsk tsk.. .snarkiness ill becomes you ;)
[14:43] <mgz> hey, I struggle to get underscores vs hyphens right :)
[14:43] <jw4> haha
[16:41]  * dimitern eod-s
[17:41] <rogpeppe> anyone know how to enable feature flags?
[17:49] <jw4> rogpeppe: export JUJU_DEV_FEATURE_FLAGS="<flag name>"
[17:50] <rogpeppe> jw4: i just managed to work that out...
[17:50] <jw4> heh
[17:50] <jw4> :)
[17:50] <rogpeppe> jw4: if i set it when bootstrapping an environment, it'll be inherited by all that environment's instances, right?
[17:50] <rogpeppe> jw4: (i *think* i saw that in the code, but just making sure)
[17:50] <jw4> rogpeppe: that is beyond my ken
[17:50] <jw4> rogpeppe: but that sounds plausible :)
[17:51] <rogpeppe> jw4: well... we'll see what happens if/when this bootstrap works
[17:56] <rogpeppe> jw4: it worked!
[17:56] <jw4> rogpeppe: suhweet
[18:43] <voidspace> ok, EOD
[18:43] <voidspace> g'night
[20:31] <waigani> wallyworld: thanks for the review
[22:29] <waigani> wallyworld_: I've addressed your review, thanks: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/928/
[22:30] <wallyworld_> ok
[22:40] <wallyworld_> waigani: reviewed, have to head to dentist in about 20 mins, will check as soon as i'm back if not before I go
[23:02] <waigani> wallyworld_: thanks


[17:49] <badbodh> on the flipside unity is really terrible with tearing on my intel laptop. hope it gets rid of compiz in near future.
[17:49] <rpm_45> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12428321/ My nvidia graphics card is listed here, but I don't know how to access it or switch it on. How do I know if I have drivers etc.?
[18:13] <OneM_Industries> So, I am having an issue with a printer. Every job I send to it comes out in point .1 font. A job that is supposed to take up the whole page comes out as roughly 1X2 inches. Any ideas?
[18:15] <pbx> OneM_Industries, you said "a printer" - do other printers work as expected?  what happens when you save to PDF?  have you gone through all the settings? are you using an application's special print dialog (e.g. chrome) or the system one?
[18:19] <OneM_Industries> The other printers work correctly, save to pdf works, I am going through Libreoffice, and I have gone through all the settings.
[18:19] <hanyop> can you tell dou i have blutouth in my laptop ??? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12428513/
[18:21] <hanyop> ???
[18:23] <OerHeks> hanyop, likely yes
[18:23] <OerHeks> what is not clear about that output?
[18:25] <hanyop> OerHeks : when i open the blutouth device manager it only shows the view and the help tabs , i am trying to connect my phone with my laptop , it's not working
[18:25] <OerHeks> hanyop, maybe there is a bt-key or bt key combination to enable it?
[18:26] <luckyJack777> what's a model of you phone?
[18:26] <hanyop> no idea what you just said
[18:26] <hanyop> what's bt-key ?
[18:26] <hanyop> android
 it's android galaxy 3
[18:27] <OerHeks> bt = bluetooth
[18:28] <hanyop> <OerHeks ; to enable it in my laptop or phone ?
[18:28] <balance> hi
[18:28] <OerHeks> hanyop, i don't get you ... you ask for bt on your ubuntu laptop?
[18:29] <balance> How can I mirror a folder? e.g. I have folder A and B and if I save a file to A or copy it to A etc. it should get mirrored to B. How can I do that?
[18:29] <OerHeks> balance i would use rsync
[18:29] <Spec> balance: google -> rsync
[18:29] <luckyJack777> rsync i guess
[18:29] <hanyop> <OerHeks : sorry , y?es i already have it enabled in my phone , so could you please tell me how to enable it in my ubuntu ?
[18:30] <balance> thanks
[18:30] <OerHeks> hanyop, see the manualof your laptop
[18:30] <shlant> hi all. How do I install this binary? https://stedolan.github.io/jq/download/ (1.5 64bit).  Thanks for being condescending. I _know_ I can use apt-get. I'm asking about the binary because I don't want to use apt-get because this is for a CI build process and running apt-get update everytime is much slower than going the binary route. Don't assume ignorance please
[18:46] <shlant> either way, this is what works
[18:46] <shlant> sudo curl -o /usr/bin/jq -L https://github.com/stedolan/jq/releases/download/jq-1.5/jq-linux64 && sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/jq
[18:46] <shlant> reisio: thanks for the help
[18:53] <zalg> hi
[18:53] <zalg> ^_^
[18:53] <reisio> ohai
[18:53] <reisio> shlant: if it's not installed, you didn't read the page
[18:53] <reisio> apt-get install it
[18:54] <shlant> you must have missed my response to OerHeks. No worries, thanks all the same
[18:57] <KIARA20> ciao
[18:58] <daftykins> hi
[18:58] <daftykins> !it
[18:58] <DecomputerGi> whats the best ide i can learn c#
[18:58] <daftykins> DecomputerGi: that's a dev question which doesn't belong in this channel.
[19:00] <locosp> #rpi
[19:02] <mtl11> Hi. Does anyone have any idea why "modprobe btrfs" might hang on an unmodified 14.04 cloud image?
[19:03] <boze> How can I get this open source AMD video card driver? https://goo.gl/mvNPam It's not listed under additional drivers.
[19:03] <boze> The proprietary ones seem buggy and x.org has me at a super low resolution
[19:05] <daftykins> boze: what card and which drivers are you trying? with which ubuntu? (3 questions there)
[19:05] <boze> or maybe this article is describing the x.org x server  and it doesn't work for me.
[19:06] <genii> boze: Only proprietary drivers are listed under Additional Drivers. The radeon driver there is the one provided by package xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[19:06] <swenzel> Hi, when mounting an encrypted partition I'm asked to type in the passphrase. There are three options as to how long the passphrase will be remembered. I'd like to change the default from 'remember until logout' to 'forget immediately'. How do I do that?
[19:08] <boze> daftykins, I have a radeon 5750. The proprietary drivers look good, but are a little buggy. I'm on the x-server-xorg-video-ati opensource drivers and the only resolution available is 800x600 mirrored. on 14.04
[19:08] <daftykins> HD 5750 i take it?
[19:08] <boze> daftykins, yes
[19:08] <daftykins> you should be on 'radeon' or 'fglrx'
[19:08] <daftykins> boze: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:08] <daftykins> (you'll need to install pastebinit)
[19:09] <boze> daftykins, thank you for looking http://pastebin.com/fDZfjsTy
[19:11] <daftykins> boze: right modesetting is off which is breaking your setup, causing a nasty legacy 'FBDEV' driver to be in use
[19:12] <daftykins> boze: do you get anything for "dpkg -l | grep fglrx" ?
[19:14] <boze> daftykins, it says fglrx-updates and fglrx-updates-core. I did try to purge it like the instructions say
[19:14] <daftykins> boze: "sudo apt-get purge fglrx* " (note the *)
[19:15]  * boze reboots
[19:16] <boze> daftykins, x.org looks great thank you! you are a wizard
[19:17] <daftykins> :) no problemo
[19:19] <kinnu323>  /join #ffmpeg-devel
[19:24] <denni397> hai :)
[19:25] <reisio> ohai
[19:26] <Illusioneer> Is anybody familiar with ssh tunneling?  I have been trying to route traffic from a redis box only my jumphost can access, but my jumphost has a public IP.  so basically I want to let the jumphost act as the tunnel to the redis box.
[19:26] <Illusioneer> I tried this, but it neither times out nor does it answer to 9999 (theport is open) -> ssh -L 9999:jumphost-publicIP:6379 redis-host
[19:27] <mantise> can you guys comfirm that i did my ubuntu partitions right ? my fresh install isnt running as it should. i removed all partitions first.. windows partitions, even efiboot by a mistake so i created this :
[19:27] <daftykins> mantise: hope you're gonna use a pastebin site
[19:27] <daftykins> :>
[19:28] <compdoc> mantise, why not let Ubuntu create the partitions it needs?
[19:28] <mantise> swap almost 20gb, efiboot with 400 mb, 200 gb / and 300 gb /home
[19:28] <mantise> ive been reading that it was best option to do it manual ?
[19:28] <mantise> thing is, when i turn my laptop on, it sometimes doesnt even boot ubuntu :S
[19:29] <mantise> i did create the efiboot area myself tho.. and gave it 400 mb ish
[19:30] <mantise> compdoc: because i wanted to make my own /, /home ect
[19:34] <Guest41866> Hello. One question. A few years ago there used to be live cd's, is that still available for download?
[19:34] <reisio> Guest41866: yes
[19:34] <reisio> ubuntu.com, download
[19:35] <mantise> but my ubuntu only boot sometimes.. other times screen is just black
[19:36] <Guest41866> Thank you reisio. Do I choose the desktop version, and will it automaticly be livecd?
[19:36] <mantise> should i reinstall it, and make it do the partitions by itself ?
[19:37] <rww> Guest41866: yes
[19:38] <Guest41866> rww: thank you :)
[19:42] <davidmichaelkarr> I'm having trouble remapping the control key on a ubuntu 12.04 vm. Inside the vm, I set capslock to be an additional ctrl key, but after exitiing that dialog, it still acts likke capslock.
[19:44] <egonsen> Hi. My xorg log says that it is using a bumblebee config file. I removed bumblebee with dnf (I'm under Fedora, hope you don't mind). What is telling x to load the bumblebee config file?
[19:44] <daftykins> 'dnf' ?
[19:44] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge bumble*
[19:45] <daftykins> egonsen: yes we do hugely mind you coming in here with fedora questions, your own distro should have its' own support! for shame!
[19:45] <tgm4883> lol
[19:46] <egonsen> daftykins: they don't seem to be able to answer my question :/ all I wanna know for now is what part of the system tells x Server to load that config
[19:46] <daftykins> well that's up to Fedora.
[19:46] <tgm4883> egonsen: well then we have something in common with Fedora support. We don't know how fedora works either
[19:47] <daftykins> :D
[19:47] <daftykins> probably some remnant left in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[19:49] <egonsen> There's nothing inside that folder related to bumblebee. Guys, come on :) if I had that problem under Ubuntu, what would you suggest then?
[19:49] <EriC^^> i thought bumblebee was deprecated?
[19:49] <daftykins> i already did suggest, i said "sudo apt-get purge bumble* "
[19:49] <reisio> EriC^^: they carry the pollen
[19:49] <daftykins> but you can't run that because you're on Fedora trying to get help in an Ubuntu channel
[19:50] <daftykins> egonsen: so it is you being the idiot here :)
[19:50] <EriC^^> reisio: i see
[19:50] <egonsen> daftykins: why so rude?
[19:50] <daftykins> statement of fact comes with no intention to be rude
[19:50] <reisio> egonsen: dunno, why're you being so rude
[19:50] <egonsen> reisio: am I?
[19:50] <tgm4883> egonsen: that really isn't how this works
[19:51] <reisio> egonsen: help me make some rice & beans, this is #ricenbeans, isn't it?
[19:51] <OerHeks> switch to Ubuntu, so you would have working dual gpu, with nvidia-prime
[19:51] <egonsen> Wtf, I just thought you guys would be so nice trying to help a Linux newbie
[19:52] <egonsen> Nvm, good bye
[19:52] <MonkeyDust> well, at least it wasnt a Mint question
[19:52] <daftykins> for once :P
[19:53] <netameta> anyone familir with jenkins ?
[19:53] <mantise> ?? pastebin
[19:53] <daftykins> ask the actual question :)
[19:53] <davidmichaelkarr> Still having trouble remapping capslock in ubuntu 12.04 vm. I set it to an addl ctrl key, but it's still behaving like capslock.
[19:54] <tgm4883> MonkeyDust: I'm not sure if that's better or worse
[19:54] <mantise> !! pastebin
[19:54] <OerHeks> netameta, jerkins, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server
[19:54] <daftykins> mantise: stop that
[19:55] <netameta> well, i have jenkins set up, Not insde a container. now i am trying to run a job, the job should clone a repo from github, and then run a bash script. , i am not sure how to tell jenkis where to clone the repo to.
[19:56] <guntbert> !brain | mantise
[19:58] <davidmichaelkarr> Never mind. It appears I had to reboot the vm.
[19:58] <AndChat|396416> How canni get rails server -E production to start on Ubuntu 14 server boot up??
[19:58] <mantise> daftykins: why ? just couldnt remember the pastebin sites
[19:59] <mantise> isnt for bot for everyone to use ? :)
[19:59] <joeman1> Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:59] <EriC^^> !msgthebot | mantise
[19:59] <mantise> i know joeman1 :) the bot just told me
[20:00] <joeman1> heh :)
[20:00] <daftykins> mantise: 'cause you were spamming :)
[20:00] <mantise> i just asked it 1 question :)
[20:02] <jophish_> Hi everyone
[20:02] <Norbin> hi hi jophish_
[20:02] <joeman1> Greetings ;)
[20:02] <daftykins> mantise: let's move on now, ask the channel in future when you don't know how to interrogate the bot
[20:03] <jophish_> My elderly grandad is having some problems with his computer and it would be really great to be able to help him remotely. What options are there for me to connect to his computer over the internet to help with things
[20:03] <jophish_> He won't be able to open any ports on his router, so ssh might be tricky
[20:04] <mantise> jesus..
[20:04] <jophish_> It would be best to be able to show him where to click and all that jazz
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> jophish_  teamviewer comes to mind, but that's 3rd party and not supported here
[20:04] <joeman1> jophish_: I like https://www.teamviewer.com/
[20:05] <jophish_> I've seen software like this for windows, where the user just has to send the support a code
[20:05] <joeman1> LOL
[20:05] <joeman1> I use it for my elderly mom on her Mint system and it works great
[20:06] <jophish_> I'll give it a try, thanks all!
[20:06] <joeman1> Here is another resource for you if you are interested - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/help/427-How-do-I-install-TeamViewer-on-my-Ubuntu-system
[20:07] <dtaz> how do I find out what is current version of avidemux in ubuntu?
[20:08] <AndChat|396416> Anyone know how I can get rails server to startup on boot????
[20:08] <joeman1> dtaz: I do dpkg -l |grep <package name or some part of it>
[20:09] <peekaboo> riseup
[20:10] <joeman1> dtaz: apt-cache policy <packageName> may also help
[20:10] <dtaz> joeman1: ty
[20:10] <joeman1> dtaz: you bet :)
[20:11] <joeman1> dtaz: for reference - http://askubuntu.com/questions/340530/how-can-i-check-the-available-version-of-a-package-in-the-repositories
[20:15] <OneM_Industries> So, I am having an issue with a printer. Every job I send to it comes out in point .1 font. A job that is supposed to take up the whole page comes out as roughly 1X2 inches. Any ideas?
[20:15] <OneM_Industries> The other printers work correctly, save to pdf works, I am going through Libreoffice, and I have gone through all the settings on this printer.
[20:15] <OneM_Industries> And yes, I have turned it off and on again.
[20:19] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: look for a better driver maybe? you haven't even stated make and model
[20:21] <Guest31575> hello everybody
[20:21] <daftykins> hi
[20:23] <nug700> I have a terminal set to a specific directory with an executable named "setup" in it (with no file extension?). how do I run it? "sudo setup" fails saying command not found
[20:24] <genii> nug700: What says the result of command: file setup
[20:24] <nug700> All I get is "sudo: setup: command not found"
[20:24] <w30> nug700, sudo /path/setup
[20:25] <bekks> nug700: Out of curiousity - thats the setup application for what exactly? :)
[20:25] <bprompt> nug700:    is it set to +x? that is, with executable permission?
[20:26] <nug700> I got it run. It was set to +x, but was giving permission error when running it via double click, and setup file for maya 2015
[20:27] <genii> nug700: Before you try to run it, you should find out if it's a file which can be executed with bash, python, perl, or windows by the command I gave earlier: file setup
[20:27] <nug700> adding the full path worked
[20:27] <OneM_Industries> It is a cannon MG3500, daftykins.
[20:27] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: alright so look that up
[20:28] <dtaz> why doesn't linux store file create time? is there any filesystem that supports it?
[20:29] <pod15_> how can i get "rails server -e production" to start on reboot of ubuntu 14 server?  Tried cronttab @reboot and rc.local and not worked
[20:29] <dtaz> thats one thing that stops me using it as a desktop.. (replacing windows)
[20:31] <bekks> dtaz: So you are stuck with Windows then.
[20:31] <OneM_Industries> daftykins: one odd note. A test page comes out with the correct size.
[20:31] <daftykins> must be your application then
[20:31] <OneM_Industries> Dang it, libreoffice.
[20:32] <daftykins> check paper size etc.
[20:32] <daftykins> maybe try running it in the guest session to rule out your configs
[20:33] <w30> dtaz, ls -la show creation time
[20:33] <OneM_Industries> Ok, fixed it by deleting the printer out of print settings and reinstalling it.
[20:33] <bekks> w30: It doesnt. Sind linux doesnt record the creation time.
[20:33] <OneM_Industries> Ok, but now a new issue.
[20:33] <pod15_> can anyone help "rails server -e production" to start on reboot of ubuntu 14 server?  Tried cronttab @reboot and rc.local and not worked
[20:34] <OneM_Industries> It is a colour printer, and any colour prints are coming out really dark.
[20:34] <bekks> w30: To be precise: On Linux, it is stored in many filesystems including ext4. There's no kernel API yet to get it though.
[20:34] <w30> bekks, what does the date mean?
[20:35] <dtaz> linux is nice idea.. wish some of the problems would be fixed..
[20:35] <OneM_Industries> dtaz: It is recorded, just you cannot really get to it via the command line.
[20:36] <OneM_Industries> If you use the GUI and right click and select properties though, it shows up.
[20:36] <bekks> w30: -l shows the modification time
[20:36] <bekks> OneM_Industries: Not really, since there is no kernel API for it.
[20:36] <nug700> ugh why must everything always break
[20:37] <luckyuser> gccvc
[20:38] <dtaz> in this day on age any hardware should have linux app.. it might come with Windoze / Mac... but no linux app
[20:40] <mantise> uhm, would the newest release of ubuntu be better than LTS ? i dont really see the point in getting LTS?
[20:40] <dtaz> ty. bekks/onem some info I didn't know
[20:41] <RevertToType> i'm having some trouble with networking on my 15.04 install... through lots of tutorials I finally got connecting to a hidden wpa2 network up but now the connection only stays up for about 30 minutes, then it drops... running dhclient in terminal picks it back up why isn't this happening automatically as it should be?
[20:41] <reisio> mantise: there is indeed virtually no point in going with LTS over a more recent version
[20:41] <reisio> mantise: well deduced :)
[20:41] <RevertToType> the lease hasn't expired according to the leases, changing the dhclient.conf doesn't renew the lease more regularly...
[20:42] <Ben64> except you know, having 5 years of support and not having to worry about upgrading every 6 months
[20:42] <reisio> 6 months?
[20:42] <Cipher45> ^^
[20:42] <mantise> reisio: thats what i tought :) so 15.04 would be the choice you suggest
[20:42] <Ben64> yes. 6 months
[20:42] <reisio> that's silly, why upgrade at all
[20:42] <mantise> hm, isnt it just an upgrade in the software updater ?
[20:42] <reisio> it's something you should do more than every 6 months
[20:43] <Ben64> so you still have security updates
[20:43] <reisio> so upgrading is good?
[20:43] <Cipher45> For your home pc the recent version is fine
[20:43] <tgm4883> reisio: please don't confuse a distro upgrade with a package upgrade
[20:43] <reisio> tgm4883: sure thing
[20:43] <Cipher45> LTS is useful for say large deployment in servers or schools etc
[20:43] <reisio> how's that?
[20:43] <Ben64> or if you just want to have LTS and not worry about upgrading every 6 months
[20:43] <tgm4883> Can we move this to #ubuntu-discuss
[20:43] <Ben64> I don't really see the point of non-lts
[20:44] <reisio> I don't see the point of LTS
[20:44] <mantise> but as i can read.. the newest version is the dist with all the new stuff ?
[20:44] <reisio> it seems like a license to procrastinate
[20:44] <reisio> because:
[20:44] <tgm4883> !OT
[20:44] <Cipher45> systemd mainly
[20:44] <reisio> mantise: it is newer, yes
[20:44] <mantise> yeah we can.. i just woundered which one to choose? why they even made the 2 choices ?
[20:44] <reisio> tgm4883: we're talking to mantise
[20:44] <reisio> mantise: I think your reasoning is quite sound
[20:45] <mantise> reisio: well i just got back to ubunto, as i stopped playing WoW. so now i can use plain ubuntu on my pc. i installed LTS.. but now i changed my mind. i want the 15.04 insted
[20:45] <mantise> :p
[20:45] <reisio> WoW actually runs great on Ubuntu
[20:45] <reisio> I've even heard better than on Windows
[20:45] <mantise> thru wine ?
[20:45] <Ben64> It is very simple. if you want the "newest" everything, go with the latest version and upgrade every 6 months. If you want stability, install LTS
[20:45] <reisio> (not to damage your productivity, but just FYI)
[20:45] <reisio> mantise: yeah
[20:46] <reisio> Ben64: how's it more stable?
[20:46] <mantise> i tryed to configure lol to run thru wine. i couldn't :s so now i gonna do steam only
[20:46] <mantise> Ben64: so non lts isnt stabel ?
[20:46] <reisio> mantise: you'd want to click a version at left on https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1922 and follow instructions
[20:46] <reisio> mantise: Ubuntu has no stable/unstable paradigm
[20:46] <Ben64> reisio: look at the definition of stable
[20:47] <reisio> Ben64: where's Ubuntu's definition?
[20:47] <OneM_Industries> Arg. Anyone have an idea why all colour prints are coming out extremely dark on this printer? I have tried the brightness setting with no luck.
[20:47] <reisio> I think you're confusing old-and-having-more-bugs-reported-and-possibly-fixed with stable
[20:47] <Ben64> reisio: look up the definition
[20:47] <reisio> Ben64: I'm good
[20:47] <samthewildone> This annoying thing happens when I reboot my laptop, brightness is set to high, sound set to max and wifi is a hit or miss when it comes to autoconnect; maybe because of hidden ssid.
[20:48] <mantise> reisio: well i quitted wow for good now.. canceled my sub :) but id love if i could be able to run lol thru wine
[20:48] <reisio> OneM_Industries: test page not good?
[20:48] <OneM_Industries> Even the test page is really dark.
[20:48] <reisio> mantise: what's lol? I don't follow games anymore
[20:48] <reisio> OneM_Industries: then it's the hardware
[20:48] <OneM_Industries> All colours are coming out almost black.
[20:48] <mantise> reisio: oh, League Of Legends :)
[20:48] <OneM_Industries> Odd thing is, it was working 2 days ago under Windows XP.
[20:48] <reisio> mantise: did you say it was in steam?
[20:49] <reisio> has a similar rating for Wine, anyway: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=10436
[20:49] <reisio> OneM_Industries: is it working now under xp?
[20:49] <mantise> reisio: no LoL isnt.. steam was just for CS GO :) you really dont know League Of Legends ? go youtube a gameplay :)
[20:49] <OneM_Industries> Yes. It is a software, not hardware issue.
[20:50] <reisio> OneM_Industries: what printer is it?
[20:50] <reisio> mantise: I play life now :p
[20:50] <OneM_Industries> Cannon MG3500
[20:50] <reisio> it costs slightly less, and can be just as satisfying
[20:51] <mantise> reisio: your right :D but a good game to play sometimes, is fine for me :) ill install the 15.04 insted of this LTS
[20:51] <mantise> reisio: and try working with that lol with wine
[20:51] <mantise> reisio: if i can get it to work :)
[20:52] <reisio> lol, terrible initialism :p
[20:52] <reisio> more interesting things to do than game, IMO :)
[20:53] <mantise> reisio: what else should i be doing with my PC :)
[20:53] <reisio> overthrow a poorly run country
[20:56] <mantise> ^ :p
[20:57] <mantise> reisio: wine doesnt require a windows install at the pc, right ?
[20:57] <reisio> mantise: noe
[20:57] <reisio> nope*
[20:58] <mantise> reisio: Ok, thanks :)
[20:58] <reisio> it's sort of like an open source alternative implementation of Windows land
[20:58] <mantise> ok:)
[20:59] <tgm4883> reisio: a translation layer
[20:59] <akik_> i can't believe it's not windows
[20:59] <mantise> so when i do a fresh install of 15.04 tomorrow, is it fine to make ubuntu make the partitions itself ? i assume it will make my 1 tb HD all / ?? insted of making /home ect
[21:00] <reisio> tgm4883: a translation layer?
[21:00] <tgm4883> reisio: yes, wine is a translation layer
[21:00] <reisio> mantise: yes, if there's nothing on the disk currently that you want to keep
[21:00] <reisio> tgm4883: oh Wine, I already know what Wine is
[21:01] <mantise> there isnt. just thinking a manual setup is better, so i can split the space up as /, /home, /tmp, /var ect
[21:01] <reisio> mantise: why do you think that'd be better?
[21:01] <alistair> hello i had a sys problem which a boot restore disk fixed but its put a windows loader on a sda 3 when i only need it on sda 2 so now ive got an unwanted entry in the grub menu, how do i get whatever the boot repair disk put on sda3 that relates to grub of sda3 so ive just got my linux and windows option at boot menu and not 2 windows options? thanks :-)
[21:01] <mantise> ubuntu will only create a / partition
[21:02] <reisio> mantise: why would more than just / be better?
[21:02] <mantise> reisio: so ive been reading at askubuntu.. so there is an harddrive for all /home programs ect
[21:02] <mantise> reisio: i dont know tho.. just what i tought
[21:03] <akik_> mantise: you mean /home partition
[21:03] <mantise> akik_: yes, / and /home
[21:03] <reisio> mantise: so they didn't say how it's better
[21:03] <mantise> efiboot and swap
[21:03] <mantise> reisio: ehm yes, i can go find the page :D
[21:04] <mantise> reisio: says so here i think http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[21:04] <mantise> first it says i should take "something else" insted of letting ubuntu do it
[21:04] <reisio> mantise: I don't see explanations for why it's better :)
[21:05] <mantise> reisio: no, it just say it is? :p
[21:05] <mantise> i mean, the page is suggesting to do that
[21:05] <mantise> so why should i doubt it?
[21:05] <Ben64> mantise: only useful partition would be /home, don't make a /tmp /var /etc
[21:05] <tgm4883> mantise: what reisio is trying to get at (although poorly), is that unless you have a specific reason to do so, you likely don't need to
[21:06] <tgm4883> although I would agree with Ben64 that having a separate /home directory is nice
[21:06] <mantise> tgm4883: i tought it was safer or somehow more stable to have a drive for your /home
[21:06] <reisio> mantise: why should you doubt something based on no reasoning to do it?... :p
[21:06] <mantise> yes exactly!! thats why i cant make ubuntu do the partitioning itself.. as it would only make /
[21:07] <reisio> tgm4883: what's nice about it
[21:07] <Ben64> reisio: you're very argumentative today
[21:07] <tgm4883> mantise: well the reasoning behind that would be so your root partition wouldn't fill up in the event you filled your home partition (similiarily why some may want a different partition for /var/log)
[21:07] <reisio> Ben64: I require reasons to eat a suggestion today, just like every other day :p
[21:07] <mantise> Ben64: he is :p
[21:08] <tgm4883> reisio: I'm not getting into a merit discussion with you in this channel. Take it to #ubuntu-discuss if you want to have this conversation
[21:08] <netameta> is it possible that ec2 servers only support logging with 1 user?
[21:08] <reisio> "is nice" is not exactly a reason
[21:08] <reisio> merit is not a factor
[21:08] <reisio> netameta: dunno, but there's an #aws channel somewhere
[21:08] <mantise> tgm4883: yes i see. that still force me to do the manual partitioning, if i want to make / and /home
[21:08] <Ben64> mantise: correct
[21:09] <tgm4883> mantise: yep
[21:09] <mantise> also i need to make a efiboot manual, otherwise ubuntu wont be able to boot
[21:09] <tgm4883> reisio: as I said before. I'm not going to have a discussion with you in this channel
[21:10] <mantise> i made one now.. 400 mb ish, but ubuntu wont boot every time i turn on my pc, so something is still wrong
[21:10] <Ben64> mantise: you need to use efi?
[21:10] <mantise> yea my pc/bios require it
[21:10] <Ben64> are you dual booting with windows8/9/10?
[21:10] <reisio> tgm4883: you keep saying that, even when I'm not talking at you :p
[21:11] <mantise> when i removed the partition efiboot with windows.. i couldnt start anythig up
[21:11] <mantise> Ben64: no i removed all windows partitions
[21:11] <reisio> maybe just stop saying it?
[21:11] <Ben64> mantise: then you should be able to legacy boot it
[21:11] <Ben64> much easier to get working
[21:11] <netameta> reisio, cannot seem to talk in that channel
[21:11] <mantise> reisio: but even ubuntu couldnt start without it, also when i install ubuntu, it give me a warning about i dont have a efiboot
[21:11] <reisio> netameta: which, #aws?
[21:11] <reisio> netameta: try ##aws
[21:11] <netameta> reisio, Yes
[21:12] <reisio> netameta: freenode has a conspiracy to waste users' time, you see
[21:12] <mantise> Ben64: well it didnt work without efiboot. and now when i reinstalled with efiboot, it doesnt work every time
[21:12] <wileee> that's why I use it
[21:12] <reisio> mantise: sorry I wasn't following your efi discussion, you probably meant to send that to someone else
[21:12] <akik_> was /boot/efi supposed to be a fat partition?
[21:12] <netameta> reisio, I dont know what you mean, but ##aws seems to work
[21:12] <mantise> reisio: anyone that could help
[21:13] <mantise> akik_: yeah i think it is
[21:13] <reisio> netameta: I mean they forced that channel to have a redundant #, is all
[21:13] <netameta> reisio, Ah.
[21:13] <mantise> akik_: its just named as Efiboot
[21:13] <akik_> /boot/Efiboot ?
[21:13] <Ben64> mantise: yeah but you could set it up to just boot regularly
[21:15] <pooe> hello all
[21:15] <Gramszu> hi
[21:15] <pooe> could someone could tel me name of program like wireshark on windows ?
[21:15] <Ben64> wireshark
[21:15] <pooe> i have to find my nas adress
[21:16] <pooe> there is ver for linux ?
[21:16] <mantise> akik_: yes
[21:16] <mantise> Ben64: u sure ? my bios fucks up when i do so..
[21:16] <Ben64> i'm pretty sure it started on linux
[21:16] <mantise> Ben64: and ubuntu didnt boot when i removed my efiboot
[21:16] <pooe> any tips how to easy-way check adress by direct connect do pc ?
[21:16] <pooe> with ubuntu ?
[21:16] <OerHeks> nmap could show it too
[21:17] <OerHeks> nmap -sP 192.168.1.*
[21:17] <Ben64> mantise: watch the language in this channel, and if you installed it using efi and still had the bios set to boot efi, that makes sense
[21:17] <mantise> Ben64: but i can try to remove all partitions tomorrow, inclusive efiboot.. and see if my fresh 15.04 will start up
[21:17] <mantise> Ben64: yeah sorry. well ive been reading about my motherboard on this laptop.. think its made like that
[21:18] <Ben64> mantise: what model
[21:18] <akik_> does ubuntu take care of building /boot/Efiboot for you during the install?
[21:18] <OerHeks> sometimes a EFI upgrade unlocks features.
[21:18] <mantise> its called UEFI
[21:18] <mantise> Asus G750J series
[21:19] <mantise> gaming laptop
[21:20] <Ben64> mantise: i have to leave now, but you might be able to find something if you google the model + "legacy boot"
[21:20] <mantise> Ben64: will try.. thanks for your help
[21:22] <mantise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT-N4HCNrN8
[21:22] <mantise> found it
[21:23] <fury__> hello, how can I check what gpu is ubuntu using (integrated or dedicated)?
[21:24] <reisio> fury__: lspci -k | grep -i vga -B 5 -A 5
[21:24]  * OerHeks was looking @ sudo ubuntu-drivers devices , but does not show active gpu
[21:25] <atXyc0> is this a good place to ask about ubuntu snappy on RPi2?
[21:25] <k1l_> atXyc0: better ask in #ubuntu-arm (but most active guys there are asleep now)
[21:25] <OerHeks> atXyc0, better ask in #snappy
[21:25] <fury__> reisio: thank you
[21:26] <atXyc0> thanks k1l_ and OerHeks
[21:35] <haskellberry_pie>  how do I give the path to usr?
[21:47] <jhutchins> haskellberry_pie: Do you mean /usr?
[21:50] <jcstarken> is there a safeway to remove all source list to make sure you do not keep getting duplicates thank you
[21:50] <k1l_> jcstarken: can you give more details? what duplicates?
[21:51] <ubuntu-mate> Just installed ubuntu MATE. SO Excited
[21:51] <jcstarken> kil:sent you a message ty
[21:51] <OerHeks> jcstarken, use paste.ubuntu.com for the output of:  ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:52] <tgm4883> also, use tab
[21:52] <tgm4883> !tab | jcstarken
[21:52] <k1l_> jcstarken: yes, just put it all in a pastebin and link it here so others can have a look and help, too
[21:53] <jcstarken> ok I believe I did it right thank you
[21:56] <tgm4883> jcstarken: you also need to post the link
[21:56] <jcstarken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12430767/
[21:56] <ubuntu-studio> ggggrtrt
[21:56] <jcstarken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12430749/
[21:56] <ubuntu-studio> fgffrtfg
[21:57] <jcstarken> tgm4883: thank you
[21:57] <OerHeks> jcstarken, see line 5 > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[21:57] <OerHeks> normally the standard sources.list does not contain duplicates. ( unless you editted it)
[21:58] <jcstarken> OerHeks: yes I have done it about 10 times I have also remove a lot of list and it is still doing it
[21:59] <OerHeks> jcstarken, oke, then give us:  cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:00] <jcstarken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12430820/
[22:01] <k1l_> jcstarken: that is a elementary OS. you better ask the elementary guys what sources they want to have and be used
[22:02] <OerHeks> i do not understand the last line .. deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security restricted universe main multiverse
[22:03] <tgm4883> jcstarken: comment out line 36
[22:03] <jcstarken> kil: I did try there and no one answer, and I thought since it is basically ubuntu with different gui I could ask here
[22:03] <OerHeks> oh, cdrom freya ..
[22:03] <OerHeks> elementary has its own issues
[22:04] <tgm4883> OerHeks: well, more we don't know what they changed
[22:04] <jcstarken> Ok thank you all for your help, I have had good luck with mint but not ubuntu so I was trying elementary
[22:05] <reisio> luck? :p
[22:05] <jcstarken> reisio:every time I try to update the video drivers in ubuntu it will not boot
[22:05] <tgm4883> jcstarken: don't engage
[22:06] <reisio> jcstarken: how far does it get?
[22:07] <nex> hello
[22:07] <reisio> 'lo
[22:08] <nex> bye
[22:11] <reisio> later on :p
[22:13] <haskellberry_pie> how do i use libopencv_core.so.3.0 instead of libopencv_core.so?
[22:14] <reisio> haskellberry_pie: any particular reason why?
[22:14] <ravila> Hi, I want to install a driver for a calcomp digitizer tablet. I found this link: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man4/calcomp.4.html , but I have no idea how to install this file.
[22:14] <haskellberry_pie> it is needed by imgcodecs
[22:22] <puppy> hi
[22:22] <Len> hello
[22:23] <puppy> i have a laptop lenovo g5070 with amd radeon r5 230m
[22:23] <puppy> i installed today ubuntu 14.04.3
[22:24] <puppy> how can i installe the driver of the graphic card plz ??
[22:26] <k1l> puppy: see in system settings -> software and updates.> last tab. there are some drivers listed
[22:27] <puppy> ahhh okay yeah thnx bro
[22:31] <OerHeks> ravila, that driver was removed, back in 2009 .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/xserver-xorg-input-calcomp/
[22:32]  * NGC3982 loves the terminal.
[22:32] <NGC3982> I have kind of fallen in love with using Windows PC computers and a terminal server.
[22:32] <NGC3982> Putty windows might be the most cozy thing ever.
[22:34] <talntid> anyone elses /boot drive get full of old kernels?
[22:34] <mcphail> talntid: "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[22:35] <talntid> yes i know to do that, just, it fails cause /boot is 100%
[22:35] <talntid> so i have to manually remove stuff, then do cleanup
[22:35] <mcphail> talntid: I'd suggest your problem is one of the commonest mentioned on this channel
[22:36] <talntid> just didn't know if there is something that should be happening automatically to automatically discard the old kernels
[22:36] <talntid> perhaps there should be a package made that runs and keeps it clean, idunno. :)
[22:36] <talntid> i got it sorted out, just didn't know if it was supposed to do that, sounds like it is whate everyone else experiences too
[22:37] <mcphail> talntid: no. Ubuntu doesn't create a separate /boot by default. If you go against the defaults, it should be your responsibility
[22:37] <talntid> hmm, these are default installs
[22:37] <talntid> server installs
[22:37] <talntid> didn't create separate things at all
[22:37] <mcphail> talntid: really???
[22:37] <talntid> just followed the wizard
[22:37] <talntid> really.
[22:37]  * mcphail is gobsmacked
[22:37] <talntid> pop in the cd, follow the wizard, end up with a server with /boot
[22:38] <mcphail> talntid: what size?
[22:38] <joeman1> if you want to remove old kernels: apt-get remove --dry-run --purge $(dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d')
[22:38] <joeman1> just remove --dry-run to make it actually do it
[22:38] <talntid> /dev/sda1                      236M   79M  146M  35% /boot
[22:38] <OerHeks> joeman1, no need for that anymore with autoremove.
[22:39] <mcphail> talntid: that is pretty awful, tbh
[22:39] <talntid> joeman1, thanks, i do know how to do it, just that shouldn't have to be the case, IMO
[22:39] <k1l> talntid: sounds like a small /boot and like you dont reboot often enough :)
[22:39] <joeman1> OerHeks: yeah, but my way is sexier ;)
[22:39] <OerHeks> true
[22:39] <joeman1> LOL
[22:39] <talntid> k1l, well, these are production servers.... they shouldn't have to reboot all that often :P
[22:40] <mcphail> talntid: I would consider that a bug
[22:40] <talntid> yeah, i have 8 servers all installed the same way, with the same issue. lol :-)
[22:40] <talntid> on 14.04
[22:40] <k1l> talntid: i have heared that quite often now that it doesnt work for servers that good. on desktops that is not a problem since it changes the kernel on reboot and marks the old kernel as "to be autoremoved"
[22:40] <talntid> not a huge deal, easy fix, just, didn't know if it was common
[22:41] <mcphail> talntid: you should ask on #ubuntu-server why they have that default
[22:41] <talntid> ahh, gotcha, k1l
[22:42] <mcphail> talntid: what is the default filesystem for / on ubuntu server? Is it ext4?
[22:42] <talntid> did autoremove, rebooted, autoremove again, rebooted, and finally it seems clean
[22:42] <k1l> on my desktop i never have more than 2 kernels installed with usual apt update&&apt full-upgrade and a apt-get autoremove afterwards if a kernel is marked as removable
[22:42] <daftykins> talntid + mcphail - there were some server with LVM and/or encryption installs that were defaulting to very small /boot partitions a bit ago, thought it was all done though - essentially the trick is to either not use a separate one, or make it huge
[22:42] <daftykins> also, if you make one EXT4 - some space will be reserved for root. though it's probably best not to mess with that since then you can get out of the bad situation :D
[22:43] <daftykins> 5% is quite a lot, though
[22:43] <talntid> It is EXT4
[22:43] <talntid> and I am on LVM, yes
[22:43] <mcphail> daftykins: agreed. A default of a 300MB /boot is asking for trouble
[22:43] <daftykins> talntid: yeah i don't need to know that, just saying that certain configs made a tiny /boot :)
[22:44] <daftykins> all i can say is clear early and clear often, but always keep the current version before installing a new in case you need to go back
[22:44] <talntid> yeah
[22:44] <talntid> nice to know it isn't just me, i suppose. :)
[22:45] <mcphail> talntid: honestly, there's someone on here every day with the same problem
[22:45] <amendoza> hello
[22:45] <daftykins> lo
[22:46] <amendoza> !fact
[22:55] <haskellberry_pie> i want to run lconfig -v then only print the opencv stuff, is there a cmd for this? use grep somehow?
[22:55] <haskellberry_pie> ah, i did something stupid i think, how can I undo?
[22:55] <haskellberry_pie> :-1: warning: libopencv_core.so.3.0, needed by //usr/local/lib/libopencv_imgcodecs.so, may conflict with libopencv_core.so.2.4
[22:55] <haskellberry_pie> /sbin/ldconfig.real: relative path `opencv' used to build cache
[22:56] <haskellberry_pie> how can i undo the last post?
[22:58] <daniel> I'm having trouble with my nic card
[23:01] <devolinux> salve a tutti
[23:06] <ratrace> devolinux: ciao, come sta
[23:06] <haskellberry_pie> :-1: warning: libopencv_core.so.3.0, needed by //usr/local/lib/libopencv_imgcodecs.so, may conflict with libopencv_core.so.2.4
[23:07] <haskellberry_pie> I cannot solve this, what do I do?
[23:21] <ptidav42100> !ping
[23:27] <asdfwqer_> @search sharepoint
[23:31] <haskellberry_pie> how do i use ldconfig to see what version is used?
[23:32] <haskellberry_pie> how do I filter output from ldfilter -v?
[23:38] <jcstarken> pipelight yes or no
[23:39] <daftykins> pretty sure pipelight was the ancient version before a lot of changes happened
[23:39] <daftykins> depends what you're trying to achieve
[23:40] <jcstarken> daftykins: thank you
[23:40] <hackputer_> hi
[23:42] <daftykins> !pm
[23:44] <jcstarken> every time I have tried to update the video drivers on 14.04 lts, system will not boot after AMD A4-5300 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics
[23:47] <jcstarken> and the last couple of times I downloaded the 15.9 from amd website ubuntu said it was bad
[23:47] <daftykins> hmm, 14.04 with the vivid HWE?
[23:47] <daftykins> (which kernel?)
[23:48] <Bashing-om> jcstarken: ATI supported card ? ' lspci -vnn | grep -i VGA | pastebinit ' and we can check for support .
[23:48] <jcstarken> uname -r
[23:48] <jcstarken> 3.19.0-28-generic
[23:50] <jcstarken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12431897/
[23:51] <haskellberry_pie> this is my exact problem but i have already tried the solution...
[23:51] <haskellberry_pie> http://answers.opencv.org/question/57999/qt-error-maino-undefined-reference-to-symbol-_zn2cv6string10deallocateev/
[23:56] <Guest49981> Hi


[00:40] <jo-erlend> I would like to delete my account at Launchpad.net, including my membership in Ubuntu and my Ubuntu.com email address address.
[00:42] <sarnold> jo-erlend: https://launchpad.net/~/  -- hit the "change details" link, then there's a "Deactivate your account" link at the bottom of the page
[00:43] <jo-erlend> sarnold; I want to permanently delete it.
[00:48] <sarnold> jo-erlend: there's a mention on https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Closing about changing your name that might be useful
[00:48] <sarnold> I probably wouldn't have thought of that myself, anyway, heh
[00:51] <jo-erlend> Well, if I have to jump through hoops I will jump through hoops, but they won't be nice hoops. I just pretty much want to undo the last 18 years. If it needs to be loud, then it needs to be loud.
[00:52] <sarnold> I'm not about to risk it myself, but the description on that help page suggests it's like four clicks
[00:56] <jo-erlend> But I still want to keep my relationshipts with third-parties I've made using Ubuntu OIDC.
[01:02] <jo-erlend> No. I opened myself as part of Ubuntu. I'm leaving it. It's all ok. We just delete it. All of it.  Oh, man, this feels big. This is literally more than a death sentence in Norway. Let's get'r done.
[01:02] <jo-erlend> Yes. My account has been deactivated. How do I delete it all?
[01:07] <jo-erlend> sabdfl isn't even here. It's all bullshit.
[01:10] <pabs3> ...
[14:27] <rbasak> Am I right in thinking that a git branch must exist in order to file an MP against it?
[14:54] <cjwatson> rbasak: t


[20:08] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:38] <ajmitch> morning
[20:43] <hads> morning
[20:45] <ibeardslee> kiwipycon go well?
[20:45] <ajmitch> yeah I think it went pretty well
[21:47] <hads> Anyone need a Viewsonic 22" 1080p monitor?
[21:49]  * kcj raises hand
[21:49] <kcj> Are you giving it away?
[21:49] <hads> Negative.
[21:49] <kcj> Ah.
[21:50] <ibeardslee> need, no. Hmm that could be handy, yes. ;)
[21:55] <ajmitch> hads: somehow I don't have room for another monitor anymore :)
[21:56] <hads> heh not suprised :)
[21:56] <hads> This is a follow on from mine, monitors got shuffled around the house and this one ended up unused.
[22:57] <mwhudson> morning
[23:06] <Atamira> morning
[23:06] <Atamira> what a wet day
[23:09]  * ibeardslee wonders of the sanity of having a cron job that swapoffs and then swapons
[23:17] <chilts> ibeardslee: I've never used swapon/swapoff - sounds like a Karate Kid thing
[23:17] <chilts> maybe I should read up and see if it ever makes sense
[23:17] <chilts> and good morning
[23:19] <ibeardslee> occasionally I notice that I'm using swap .. but can't really see why I should be .. especially logging in first thing on a Monday (even of the PC was on, but logged out, over the weekend).
[23:20] <kcj> ibeardslee: Can't you just adjust your swappiness?
[23:24] <ibeardslee> kcj: yeah, probably could do that as well/instead.
[23:27] <ibeardslee> swapoff/swapon just gets rid of swap and starts fresh.  Don't normally get swap being used in any great depth for extended periods of time
[23:27] <ibeardslee> the swapoff/swapon just forces everything out of swap that thinks it wanted to hang around