[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:23] <genii-around> Doing: sudo apt-get remove linux-headers-3.4.0-2* linux-image-3.4.0-2* linux-headers-3.4.0-3* linux-image-3.4.0-3*  for some reason also removes the current running kernel 3.4.0-5 as well as linux-image-extra-3.4.0-5-generic for some reason ( which had my ethernet drivers)
[11:24] <ikonia> genii-around: possibly as that kernel depends on them
[11:26] <genii-around> ikonia: But shouldn't it only remove stuff for the 3.4.0-2 and 3.4.0-3 kernels? I didn't use --purge
[11:26] <ikonia> genii-around: depends on the depend
[11:26] <genii-around> ( wanted to keep the current kernel and the just previous 0
[11:27] <genii-around> Hm
[11:27] <ikonia> genii-around: are there any other versions of the headers installed ?
[11:28] <genii-around> ikonia: Yes, I had headers and -image-extra for the current plus all the previous ones
[11:28] <ikonia> genii-around: so what's the current headers version that's installed
[11:29] <penguin42> right, time to take my main machine upto qq - I was holding off until I finished an android project in Eclipse; but since Eclipse just eat itself on pp I may as well
[11:31] <genii-around> ikonia: linux-headers-3.4.0-5-generic is installed.
[11:31] <ikonia> genii-around: sounds like a depend bug then
[13:02] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg , winff etc still have broken dependencies
[13:02]  * penguin42 really should have cleaned up this machine before kicking off the upgrade - it's got zillions of packages on it
[13:05] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Odd, not here
[13:05] <genii-around> Then again maybe it's still my old packages from 12.04 that are working and a clean install might not
[13:06] <BluesKaj> genii-around, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1045539/
[13:07] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Ah.. yes, same if i try to install ffmpeg over the one i already have
[13:10] <BluesKaj> ok genii-around , lemme do some checking
[13:16] <yofel> ffmpeg is only a transitional package anyway, replaced by libav
[13:16] <BluesKaj> genii-around, it looks like ffmpeg might convert within a container app like mplayer and vlc ..but it won't install on it's own
[13:16] <yofel> for me the libav*-extra-* stuff is missing so libav is held back
[13:17] <yofel> (libav-tools has an 'ffmpeg' command for compatibility reasons)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> yofel, so ffmpeg is going to be included in a generic sounding lib? :)
[13:17] <yofel> no, we don't ship 'ffmpeg' anymore, libav is a fork and the apps are in libav-tools
[13:18] <BluesKaj> oh , ok that's good to know
[13:19] <BluesKaj> yeah libav-tools won't inswtall either
[13:20] <BluesKaj> ok , guess I'll have to go back on 12.04 to convert some files
[13:21] <genii-around> Hm
[13:29] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I have 12.04 on a differnt HDD
[13:30] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Yeah it's good to have a strategy for recovery when running the pre release stuff
[13:33] <BluesKaj> genii-around, yeah , since my other pc mobo died I added the HDD to this pc , rather than fooling with partitions...gotta keep an eye on grub tho
[13:35] <genii-around> Yes, that is one thing on my grub wishlist. That you could choose a primary boot OS which always has control of the mbr, the others do updates but don't mess with it
[13:35] <BluesKaj> exactly
[13:42] <BluesKaj> tried setting up fstab , on the 2 drives , but that just lead to total confusion when doing commands like df -h and fdisk -l
[13:45] <FernandoMiguel> with UEFI you no longer have that problem
[13:46] <BluesKaj> FernandoMiguel, UEFI ?
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: you will bypass grub
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> and store each OS loader on UEFI
[13:47] <FernandoMiguel> even windows
[13:48] <BluesKaj> ok FernandoMiguel , looking
[13:48] <FernandoMiguel> assuming your board supports it
[13:48] <yofel> didn't Microsoft plan to get manufacturers to require signed blobs for EFI and block anything else from booting?
[13:48] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: that's tottaly unrelated
[13:49] <genii-around> Hm
[13:49] <yofel> k, haven't read into it much yet
[13:49] <FernandoMiguel> leet me get you a couple of artichels
[13:51] <FernandoMiguel> yofel: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12897.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12745.html  http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html
[13:52] <yofel> thanks
[13:53] <FernandoMiguel> they are all from the same guy, a RH guy too :)
[13:53] <FernandoMiguel> but pretty good source of details
[13:54] <penguin42> oh yeh his blog is a great source of pain and wonder of how boot processes work and go horribly wrong
[13:55] <genii-around> Looks like coreboot is doing some work in the UEFI area too
[13:55] <FernandoMiguel> genii-around: see my 2nd link :)
[13:55] <genii-around> Ah, cool.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> look like i won't be installing W8 on anything soon :)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> looks
[14:05] <penguin42> hmph - my update-manager window has disappeared
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> lulz
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> upgrades on the weekend :D
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> you don't love your system
[14:08] <penguin42> why?
[14:08] <FernandoMiguel> never upgrade after Friday :D
[14:08] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: I don't use my own machines during the working week, I can only break my work machines during that time....
[14:16] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: But why do you suggest that stuff breaks more on the weekends?
[14:17] <FernandoMiguel> cause everything gets commited before the weekend :)
[14:17] <FernandoMiguel> and only fixed on Monday
[14:18] <penguin42> ah yeh, that's a common problem in a lot of stuff - I think there is generally a feeling of if your simple test passed on friday morning then you commit and run away
[14:19] <BluesKaj> heh, some stuff doesn't seems to get any attn , no matter what day of the week
[14:20] <BluesKaj> been waiting for ffmpeg/libav fix for almost a week
[14:21] <penguin42> sometimes it's because the guy who is involved in it is away that week, or there is a nastier problem on the table
[14:21] <penguin42> right, main machine works in QQ - although it's missing the boot splash
[14:21] <BluesKaj> no doubt , but it's still annoying
[14:23] <penguin42> hmm, something is different about the KDE hmm - a bit darker background?
[14:35] <genii-around> penguin42: Odd, my screen also seemed darker after the latest updates
[14:37] <penguin42> gnome or kde?
[14:38] <genii-around> kde
[14:38] <genii-around> penguin42: 4.8.90
[14:39] <penguin42> same here
[14:40] <penguin42> genii-around: I can't quite figure out if it's intentional and whether it's just the background
[14:40] <genii-around> penguin42: I figured it was just my backlight or something
[14:40] <penguin42> genii-around: Do you get the lightbulb icons occasionally on the panel and when you click them do you get a sensible thing - for me I get  abig black band
[14:41] <genii-around> I don't seem to get those light bulbs
[14:41] <penguin42> hmm odd
[14:53] <jag> low graphics, no screen, graphics card input device detected
[14:54] <jag> hi
[14:54] <penguin42> jag: What graphics card do you have?
[14:55] <jag> thanks
[14:55] <jag> intel internal graphics media accel 3150
[14:55] <jag> i915 ..
[14:56] <penguin42> hmm, that shouldn't be a problem (I'm testing on Radeon)
[14:56] <jag> tried startx lightdm boots the system ..
[14:56] <jag> able to access full system... but network no...
[14:56] <penguin42> jag: Can you get to a plain terminal prompt?
[14:56] <jag> yes sure everything works..
[14:57] <jag> terminal gedit
[14:57] <jag> everything.. but no network....
[14:57] <penguin42> oh sorry, I thought you had problems not getting graphics up
[14:58] <jag> at boot... yes... boot into dev. mode and access as root... start lightdm... full interface exists..
[14:58] <penguin42> jag: OK, so what network card do you have, what does ifconfig -a show?
[14:58] <jag> i am on windows partition.... i have no network
[14:59] <penguin42> jag: Wired or wireless?
[14:59] <jag> wireless.. 3g stick...
[14:59] <penguin42> ah hmm, don't know much about those - they're a bit magical
[14:59]  * penguin42 always prefers to follow the cable to know where his packets are going
[15:01] <jag> i installed webmin...
[15:01] <genii-around> Gah webmin
[15:01] <jag> i guess which is not supported.. that messed up the install...
[15:01] <penguin42> jag: I think there is a thing called modemmanager which is the stuff that handles 3g modems
[15:01] <jag> yes..
[15:02] <jag> 12.04 modem manager supported on 12.10?
[15:02] <jag> i did upgrade but ... i guess it was partial...
[15:02] <penguin42> don't know - but it's probably better just to figure out what's going on in 12.10
[15:03] <jag> i tried deleting xorg.conf .... renaming xorf failsafe to xorg.cong.. no avail.
[15:03] <jag> no proper boot...
[15:03] <penguin42> jag: Does network manager show the interface? Does it show up in lsusb? Is there a modemmanager log?
[15:04] <jag> is there a manual way to detect graphics, screen and input device?
[15:04] <jag> may be some kind of entries in conf files to revive the install...
[15:04] <penguin42> jag: You shouldn't need to - can you take a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of lspci onto a usb stick and then get that to a pastebin from windows so we can see it?
[15:05] <jag> will you be online for long...
[15:05] <jag> ?
[15:05] <penguin42> yeh a few hours
[15:05] <jag> thanks... will catch u earliest..
[15:06] <jag> just enquisitive.. what config files control display, input device and screen
[15:06] <jag> ?
[15:06] <penguin42> jag: Well it should all be autodetected
[15:06] <penguin42> jag: So you shouldn't need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:07] <penguin42> (especially on intel chips)
[15:07] <jag> ok
[15:07] <penguin42> you can add one if you need it - but it's very rare
[15:07] <jag> i upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10
[15:07] <jag> did cleaning of old files from root
[15:08] <penguin42> maybe a bit too much cleaning?
[15:08] <jag> yes i guess you are absolutely right..
[15:08] <jag> is there a possibility of revival.
[15:08] <jag> ?
[15:09] <jag> any good links on internet or guide dealing with such issues will be great...
[15:09] <penguin42> you can almost always fix a Linux box if you know where to look
[15:10] <jag> yes... thats what i was trying to do?
[15:10] <jag> any good links on net..
[15:10] <penguin42> nod - the trick is to try and figure out what's going wrong first and that's really about looking at the log files
[15:10] <jag> var/log/
[15:10] <penguin42> nod
[15:11] <jag> where are the system boot configs maintained...?
[15:11] <penguin42> there are a lot of different ones; so things like /boot is the initial boot, there are lots of files in /etc for different things
[15:12] <genii-around> Some important ones in /etc/default/
[15:12] <jag> copying some imp. ones to main boot will help.?
[15:13] <penguin42> jag: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is good for display problems, stuff in /var/log/lightdm for starting the log in system
[15:13] <penguin42> jag: from where?
[15:13] <jag> what files control input devices.. screen... etc.
[15:14] <jag> ?
[15:14] <penguin42> jag: mostly the xorg - there is also evdev but it's rare
[15:14] <jag> reconfiguring xorg-xserver should help?
[15:15] <penguin42> no
[15:15] <penguin42> jag: Work from what the logs tell you
[15:15] <jag> ok...
[15:15] <jag> network manager shows not supported ?
[15:16] <jag> 12.04 to 12.10 no support from network manager?
[15:16] <penguin42> I think 12.10 still uses network manager
[15:16] <Daekdroom> The package might have been renamed.
[15:17] <jag> is there a way to enable compatibility?
[15:17] <penguin42> jag: No, stop guessing and lets see the logs!
[15:17] <jag> ok....thanks ... will get them..
[15:17] <jag> thanks....
[15:32] <penguin42> hmph - my eclipse is very broken
[15:57]  * penguin42 plays in /proc to see what's new
[15:59] <penguin42> wth is /proc/sys/net/token-ring still there
[16:09] <bazhang> !info linux
[16:53] <FernandoMiguel> have you gusy been following the Linus VS nvidia news?
[16:54] <FernandoMiguel> I can't even link it here, since it has hars words
[16:54] <penguin42> I saw a link but hadn't followed it?
[16:55] <FernandoMiguel> penguin42: see PM
[16:59] <penguin42> FM: That's just his normal mild mannered encouragement :-)
[17:47] <jag> hi penguin42
[17:48] <penguin42> hey
[17:48] <jag> hi i hve the log on pastebin http://pastebin.com/embed.php?i=hVf2BbmC
[17:49] <jag> can you check and suggest solution..
[17:49] <penguin42> yep, just give me a min
[17:50] <jag> thanks
[17:52] <penguin42> http://pastebin.com/hVf2BbmC is the right URL
[17:52] <jag> ya
[17:54] <penguin42> well, there are no errors - running at 1024x600 ?
[17:54] <jag> i guesss my old kernel is creating some problem...
[17:55] <jag> but the boot screen says running in low graphics mode your screen graphics and iput device settings could not be detected...
[17:56] <penguin42> why are you running with an old kernel?
[17:56] <jag> there are other logs also . xorg.1.log xorg1.log.old... any suggestions..
[17:57] <penguin42> they're just versions of the same thing - if that was your most recent then it should be the correct one
[17:57] <jag> most recent is xorg1.log
[17:58] <jag> uname -r says 3.4.0
[17:59] <penguin42> ok, that pastebin that
[17:59] <jag> any other wild guess what could be possibly wrong...
[18:00] <jag> is there a way to switch to new kernel?
[18:01] <penguin42> 3.4.0 is the new kernel
[18:01] <jag> i will paste all the logs not .old ones. back in 5 mins.
[18:01] <jag> thanks
[18:05] <penguin42> erm, if he reappears - I'll be back in 25min
[18:14] <jag> hi penguin42
[18:14] <jag> i have 4 logs.
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> he's away for a bit
[18:15] <TheLordOfTime> he'll be back in about 15 minutes or so
[18:16] <jag> i will be back in 15 min ... thanks
[18:27]  * penguin42 burps apple crumble
[19:02] <jag> hi penguin42
[19:02] <penguin42> hi, better hurry - almost time to switch off here
[19:02] <jag> i just uploaded old log on http://pastebin.com/WAmtwj8L
[19:02] <jag> this might be the faulty one..
[19:03] <jag> i am booting into ctrl+alt+f2 to access root maintainence menu
[19:03] <jag> from there i am able to start lightdm and login as root...
[19:03] <jag> or normal user...
[19:03] <penguin42> jag: That's got an interesting set of faults; it's complaining about errors on fb ioctls - and the synaptics touchpad  - look for lines that start with EE
[19:04] <jag> what is the solution...
[19:04] <jag> fbdev.. not loading...
[19:05] <penguin42> jag: I've not seen that set of errors before - it seems like a disagreement between kernel and X server
[19:06] <jag> can i reconfigure x server with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg --phigh
[19:06] <penguin42> you can if you like - it's unlikely to help
[19:07] <jag> what could be most likely cause and how to come out of it... can i restore my old kernel ... if yes how..?
[19:07] <penguin42> what do you mean by 'old kernel' ?
[19:07] <jag> precise kernel 12.04
[19:08] <penguin42> it should still be there unless you removed it, failing that you might try grabbing the .deb for the precise kernel from the ubuntu archive and just trying installing that deb
[19:09] <jag> can you suggest how to revive networking to use apt-get or archive
[19:09] <jag> ?
[19:09] <penguin42> no, you'll need to try and understand what's going on with your 3g modem - I've never used one
[19:09] <jag> ok
[19:10] <jag> what would you suggest with these set of xserver log is it worth reviving 3.4.0 or fallback to precise 12.04 kernel???
[19:11] <penguin42> it's worth trying the precise kernel
[19:12] <jag> thanks ... i have spent enough time on this... i would revert to old kernel..
[19:12] <jag> thanks for your assitance...
[19:12] <jag> best regards..
[19:12] <penguin42> np, time to go
[19:12] <jag> :)


[02:05] <mwhudson> vorlon: it's src:cargo, but only the new version
[02:05] <mwhudson> mwhudson: which is only in ppa:mwhudson/rust-stuff so far
[13:17] <tarzeau> ~,
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> tarzeau, I don't think this is a good way to kill a stuck ssh shell...
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> unless your irc chat is redirected through a bash shell :D
[13:42] <tarzeau> my irssi runs in a gnu screen
[14:23] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[20:09] <mwhudson> doko: thanks
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[05:03] <superfly> sp
[05:19] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:20] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:57] <nuvolari> o/ mornings everyone
[05:57] <nuvolari> morning superfly, oom Kilos
[05:57] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[05:57] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit vanoggend oom?
[05:58] <Kilos> kop pla maar anders goed dankie en daar seun
[05:59] <nuvolari> kan nie kla nie dankie oom, werk is net baie en die rugby het tyd gevat gister
[05:59] <Kilos> lol
[05:59] <Kilos> eina wedstryd gewees
[06:02] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[06:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: ja dit was nie 'n game nie oom
[06:05] <Kilos> shame
[06:07] <Kilos> superfly, hows the family
[06:07] <Kilos> and the grass hehe
[06:09] <superfly> oom, the grass is growing! it's looking really good, though it's still not quite lawn size yet ;-)
[06:09] <Kilos> hehe
[06:39] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[06:40] <superfly> hi nlsthzn
[06:41] <nlsthzn> Hi Kilos , superfly ... and all :)
[06:42] <nlsthzn> bai again... duty and all :p
[06:42] <Kilos> toods
[06:42] <Kilos> sjoe that was fast
[09:21] <magespawn> good day
[09:21] <nlsthzn> Hi magespawn
[09:21] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[09:22] <magespawn> what up, on this fine flip flop friday?
[09:23] <nlsthzn> it's Friday?
[09:25] <magespawn> last time i checked.
[09:26] <magespawn> he left because it is friday?
[09:27] <Kilos> lol
[09:31] <magespawn> thats a bit extreme.
[09:32] <Kilos> no man he is busy or something
[09:32]  * Kilos looks the poor yanks getting thrashed
[09:34] <magespawn> not at as bad as Namibia, at least they got themselves on the scoreboard.
[09:34] <Vhata> Namibia were on the scoreboard
[09:34] <Vhata> right next to the number zero
[09:34] <magespawn> lol
[09:35] <Kilos> lol
[09:35] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[09:46] <DraZoro> Hello everyone
[09:47] <Kilos> hi DraZoro long time no see
[09:48] <DraZoro> Yeah Kilos
[09:48] <DraZoro> I am back in the game
[09:48] <Kilos> good
[09:48] <DraZoro> I will see if I can get a copy of 11.10 over the weekend
[09:48] <DraZoro> I am still behind :)
[09:49] <Kilos> lol i am on maverick still
[09:49] <Kilos> natty isnt happy with my pc
[09:49] <Kilos> but i checked it out and looks good
[09:50] <DraZoro> Same here Natty is fighting with me after updates ...but I experimented with gnome-shell so I am not surprised
[09:50] <DraZoro> I am glad fluxbox is working fine even after crashing unity
[09:50] <Kilos> ian has gone kubuntu with natty and loves it
[09:50] <Kilos> but his new work is all windows orientated
[09:51] <DraZoro> Yeah Kubuntu has attracted a lot of candidates since Natty release
[09:51] <superfly> hi DraZoro
[09:52] <DraZoro> Hello superfly
[09:55] <DraZoro> I missed the Software Freedom Day but I was lucky to be updated by Kodez
[09:57]  * superfly is a Kubuntu fanatic
[09:57] <Kilos> lol we noticed
[09:58] <DraZoro> I am planning to give Lubuntu a try with 11.10
[09:58] <Kilos> i tried xubuntu in natty too
[09:58] <Kilos> not bad but gnome is more me friendly
[09:58] <Kilos> less thinking
[09:58] <DraZoro> lol
[09:58]  * nlsthzn strokes his Unity and it purrrrrs back at him
[09:59] <DraZoro> So many choices I wonder what will be like in 10 years time in open source world
[10:00] <Kilos> i think the fly is using 11.10 on his server already
[10:06] <superfly> Kilos: on my desktop, yes, but not on my server
[10:06] <superfly> my servers run the LTS
[10:06] <Kilos> ah ty
[10:07] <nlsthzn> It wouldn't be advisable running Beta software on a server (except for testing I guess) :)
[10:20] <morgs> Running a non LTS version on a server has bitten me big time because I couldn't just upgrade the OS every 6 months - the downtime on the site is too risky. We need to redeploy the whole stack.
[10:30] <magespawn> i am running natty in my shop but with gnome. most of the user are used to windows gnome is the closest of the two
[10:32] <DraZoro> I remember last year when I configured a basic internet cafe. The user in my area kept on asking what version of Windows is this ....and funny it was Ubuntu Maverick.
[10:34] <magespawn> how did you control the internet access?
[10:37] <DraZoro> magespawn: That guy closed the business before I could get that step right.
[10:37] <magespawn> ohh right. so it was a long term business then.
[10:38] <DraZoro> I was planning to use Outkafe
[10:38] <DraZoro> No it was just a small business ...just 3 computers
[10:39] <magespawn> had a look at that. i only have 2 at the moment.
[10:39] <DraZoro> Are you using Outkafe ?
[10:57] <superfly> Anyone else heard of Desura?
[10:57] <DraZoro> No
[10:58] <superfly> heard of Steam?
[10:58] <DraZoro> All this is new superfly I will check them out
[10:59] <superfly> DraZoro: they are digital distribution programs for games
[10:59] <superfly> but I was accepted into the Linux beta programme for desura this morning
[10:59] <DraZoro> Yeah busy googling
[11:00] <DraZoro> Those are good news
[11:09] <DraZoro> So you will hosting game severs superfly ?
[11:11] <superfly> DraZoro: no, it just means I can download the Linux client which is in beta testing at the moment
[11:11] <DraZoro> Oh
[11:14] <DraZoro> All the best of luck superfly I hope to join you one day.
[11:14] <DraZoro> Guys I will check in later bye for now.
[11:14] <Kilos> cheers DraZoro
[11:15] <DraZoro> cheers everyone
[11:15] <DraZoro> Thanks for sharing information ...
[11:22] <Kilos> DraZoro, dont stay away for months again
[11:23] <DraZoro> I won't this time ...every time I am online I will visit the channel.
[12:29] <Kilos> hiya Blunt_Man
[12:30] <Kilos> never seen you here before
[12:30] <Kilos> hmmm he didnt wanna be seen
[12:56] <magespawn> hey back again had work to do.
[12:57] <Kilos> wb
[13:09] <magespawn> can anyone tell me if there is a package that is in more recent use than  outkafe?
[13:49] <Kilos> what does it do magespawn
[13:51] <magespawn> Kilos it is software to manage an internet cafe. server side control for client computers.
[13:52] <Kilos> what does maaz say
[13:52] <Kilos> is there nothing in the repos
[13:54] <Kilos> maaz google internet cafe management with ubuntu
[13:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "cafe con leche: Internet cafe management software - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=777093 :: "Linux Cyber Café and Internet Café management software" http://www.cyber-cafe-software.com/Eng/Linux/ :: "Mkahawa - Open-Source Cyber / Internet Cafe Management Software" http://mkahawa.sourceforge.net/downloads.php :: "Cybercafe, Internet Timer software mycafecup Cybercafe, Internet ..." http://cafe.qarchive.org/
[13:55] <Kilos> whew
[14:12] <magespawn> i would like to find one that is under active development.
[14:14] <magespawn> the mkahawa one seems promising.
[14:17] <magespawn> ty Kilos am busy downloading now
[14:18] <Kilos> which one mage
[14:18] <Kilos> grr
[14:18] <Kilos> magespawn,
[14:19] <Kilos> i have learned to try use whats available to us as much as possible . i tried some other things a while back and caused big probs on my pc and the fly fought me
[14:19] <Kilos> hehe
[14:21] <magespawn> mkahawa
[14:21] <Kilos> good luck. hope it works kiff for you
[14:23] <magespawn> the softvision one is for sale, they only give you a 15 day trial quite pricey 119 usd
[14:23] <Kilos> eish
[14:24] <magespawn> not too bad, but out of the budget for now.
[14:25] <Kilos> there is normally something along the freeware paths that is almost as good and at times better
[14:26] <Kilos> or some linux guy has worked out a better way
[14:30] <magespawn> there is a piece of software called DD-WRT i think, that allows you to flash your router and control everything from there.
[14:30] <magespawn> maaz google DD-WRT
[14:30] <Maaz> magespawn: "www.dd-wrt.com | Unleash Your Router" http://www.dd-wrt.com/ :: "Router Database | www.dd-wrt.com" http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database :: "Supported Devices - DD-WRT Wiki" http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices :: "What is DD-WRT? - DD-WRT Wiki" http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F :: "DD-WRT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT :: "Hack Attack:
[14:31] <magespawn> yup thats it.
[14:33] <Kilos> found a thingie in synaptic called pessulus you can look at.
[14:34] <Kilos> lockdown editor for gnome
[14:34] <Kilos> can do things i dont understand
[14:34] <Kilos> hehe
[15:23] <magespawn> having a look now
[15:25] <superfly> afternoon magespawn
[15:25] <magespawn> hi superfly
[15:26] <magespawn> Kilos looks like it stops ppl from changing things on the machine, virtually all can be locked.
[15:27] <magespawn> might also be useful for use with my kids, they have a tendency to randomly change things.
[15:28] <magespawn> there  is probable a more powerful may to do it using the terminal
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <magespawn> i was looking more for software to control the billing of the internet usage, a plus would a way to bill wifi and printing.
[15:30] <magespawn> there are plenty of pay options, but most of the usually require a monthly sub.
[15:31] <magespawn> i plan to put up an external antenna so that people can access the wifi from other places
[15:33] <superfly> magespawn: don't be scared to pay for something... there are plenty of times when the open source solutions are not at the same level as the commercial solutions
[15:37] <magespawn> not scared to pay for things just do not have the money available at the moment. had to move premises and various other problems.
[15:44] <magespawn> if there is not a free open version that is good will definitely go the paid root.
[16:12] <magespawn> good night all
[16:53]  * sakhi needs a web authenticator for squid proxies... (authentication will point to an ldap server)
[17:01]  * nlsthzn is back... back again...
[17:02] <sakhi> wb
[17:02] <nlsthzn> ty


[10:03] <SteveA> hi
[10:03] <SteveA> is there a meeting here now?
[10:03] <thumper> #bzrlp on Canonical server


[00:31] <ziz15> can i install ubuntu touch on a device other than the official supported using the guide on ubuntu site?will it be somehow "safe"?thanks
[02:46] <ahoneybun> mm I hope tablets get some love in OTA12
[02:53] <ATDT911> I'd just like to have ubuntu on my pixel c
[06:47] <kaisoz> hi there
[10:33] <Mirv> mardy_: hi! I did largely automated fix for bug #1583079 including MP for ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/stop_depending_on_transitional_packages
[10:33] <Mirv> (I noticed you had already assigned it to yourself)
[10:34] <Mirv> that bug is incomplete regarding affected packages, I only started with reverse dependencies with UITK. but it should be a good start.
[10:34] <mardy_> Mirv: ah, gret, then please go on :-D
[10:58] <RainyTues> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LG-Nexus-4-E960-16GB-Black-with-UBUNTU-installed-/131813780607
[11:19] <hight_def1> hi, does anyone know what is the support email for ubuntu store? i can't find it
[11:20] <hight_def1> there is a link to report a bug, but i don't want to report a bug, i need to ask some questions about private packages and payment
[11:31] <Jarlath> @bfiller I'm looking for info on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1377996
[11:33] <Jarlath> I think a re-flash would relieve me of the issue but I'd rather stay with it if it will help QA/dev. Is it likely to be investigated in OTA-12 or 13?
[12:44] <Jarlath> @bfiller  ping!
[12:45] <bfiller> Jarlath: pong
[12:46] <Jarlath> @bfiller I'm looking for info on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1377996
[12:46] <Jarlath> I think a re-flash would relieve me of the issue but I'd rather stay with it if it will help QA/dev. Is it likely to be investigated in OTA-12 or 13?
[12:47] <bfiller> Jarlath: looking
[12:47] <Jarlath> Although I realise now it was Pat McGowan I was speaking with and not yourself - apologies!
[12:48] <bfiller> Jarlath: so it looks like you provided the appropriate logs and I'll change the status as it's no longer incomplete. Will target it for ota-12. Sorry you are having this problem, I have not been seeing it
[12:49] <bfiller> Jarlath: are you tenleftfingers?
[12:50] <Jarlath> Correct, I'm tenleftfingers. And thank you.
[13:10] <bfiller> pmcgowan: Jarlath was asking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1377996, was marked incomplete but I moved to new as he provided logs. Are we seeing this on any devices? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1377996
[13:11] <pmcgowan> looking
[13:16] <pmcgowan> bfiller, as I noted I have not seen other complaints, but the reporter is quite reliable
[13:16] <pmcgowan> worth a look but may not be able to repro
[13:17] <bfiller> Jarlath: which device are you seeing this on?
[13:17] <Jarlath> bfiller: E4.5 with OTA 11
[13:19] <pmcgowan> Jarlath, any specific steps to trigger it?
[13:19] <Jarlath> pmcgowan: It's 100% reproducible every time without fail.
[13:20] <pmcgowan> Jarlath, and you have only done updates, no side loading or anything? really sounds like your config is busted somehow
[13:20] <Jarlath> No side loading of any kind
[13:20] <Jarlath> I've kept it 'above board' for reporting purposes.
[13:20] <pmcgowan> indeed
[13:20] <pmcgowan> this is the only report of it I have seen
[13:21] <pmcgowan> hence I suspect somethig is busted on your device
[13:21] <Jarlath> So if it's from normal usage. Well, I'm happy to reflash if it's just me.
[13:21] <pmcgowan> but it would be good to find, although its terrbile for you
[13:22] <pmcgowan> Jarlath, let us look at the logs and come up with some ideas before flashing
[13:22] <pmcgowan> sory for the delay
[13:22] <Jarlath> pmcgowan: no problem, will do. Many thanks.
[13:30] <pmcgowan> Jarlath, when you say the tone dial icon what do you mean?
[13:32] <Jarlath> pmcgowan: looking
[13:33] <Jarlath> pmcgowan: I think I mean the icon that reveals the dial pad. It's not responsive. But no icon is so not sure why I zoned in on that particular one. I could make a demo video easily actually, that illustrates it 100%.
[13:34] <pmcgowan> Jarlath, you mean the one in the header area
[13:35] <pmcgowan> in the indicator bar showing active call?
[13:36] <pmcgowan> demo video would be good
[13:48] <Jarlath> pmcgowan: I'm talking about the ten-dot grid that appears when you make a call after the numbers go away. It lets you restore the dial pad rather than the current display for mute speaker etc. Video in progress :)
[13:49] <pmcgowan> ack
[14:19] <Jarlath> bfiller: pmcgowan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuxbRzV3jhc&feature=youtu.be
[14:28] <pmcgowan> Jarlath, very odd, thanks
[14:29] <Jarlath> pmcgowan: I did enable developer mode once ... but that's it AFAIK.
[14:29] <pmcgowan> yeah no reason that should happen
[14:33] <saavento> Is OTA11 out already?
[14:39] <Jarlath> saavento: it's in QA. Not released yet, nor expected until end of this month/beginning of next.
[14:39] <Jarlath> AFAIK
[14:40] <saavento> jarlath: Oks thx.
[16:33] <hasan> hi, how to access to ubuntu files on my xubuntu desktop!? means internal storage of phone
[16:33] <hasan> aquaris e4.5
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> plug your device in with usb?
[16:34] <hasan> yes, but “mount failed mtp device“
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> hasan: did you swipe your screen lock on your phone?
[16:35] <dobey> what version of xubuntu?
[16:35] <hasan> yes, Active Screen is running on ubuntu phone
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> weird
[16:35] <hasan> 14.04 LTD
[16:35] <hasan> LTS
[16:43] <pmcgowan> ah hes gone
[16:47] <hasan> I install mtp tool and just access to default folders in my ubuntu phone on xubuntu, how to access to share folder in desktop!?
[16:50] <dobey> pmcgowan: ^^ he's back :)
[16:51] <dobey> hasan: it should just work afaik, but i'm not sure how well the xubuntu file manager supports mtp
[16:51] <dobey> i thought it used gvfs and should just work, but maybe xubuntu is missing something. not sure
[16:53] <pmcgowan> hasan, I think its missing the device id perhaps
[16:57] <pmcgowan> check if its listed in /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules
[17:03] <hasan> still can't access to device!!
[17:12] <pmcgowan> hasan this is what I have
[17:12] <pmcgowan> # bq Krillin (MTP)
[17:12] <pmcgowan> ATTR{idVendor}=="2a47", ATTR{idProduct}=="2008", SYMLINK+="libmtp-%k", MODE="660", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_MTP_DEVICE}="1", ENV{ID_MEDIA_PLAYER}="1"
[17:12] <pmcgowan> # bq Krillin (MTP+ADB)
[17:12] <pmcgowan> ATTR{idVendor}=="2a47", ATTR{idProduct}=="0c02", SYMLINK+="libmtp-%k", MODE="660", GROUP="audio", ENV{ID_MTP_DEVICE}="1", ENV{ID_MEDIA_PLAYER}="1"
[17:12] <pmcgowan> oh heck hes gone again
[17:41] <ogra_> hasan, did you notice that people are talking to you here ? you seem to drop off all the time
[17:43] <hasan> i'm so sorry i have some issue with chatter app in my phone
[17:43] <pmcgowan> last try
[17:44] <pmcgowan> hasan, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16497678/
[17:44] <pmcgowan> that needs to be in  /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules
[17:45] <hasan> thank you
[17:45] <hasan> i will check it
[17:45] <hasan> Chatter in aquaris is the best IRC but some time crashed
[17:47] <dobey> hasan: chatter is an app like any other. when it is not in the foreground it is stopped, and loses any network connections
[17:49] <hasan> no it is foreground but sometime when I want to type crashed
[17:49] <dobey> oh
[17:50] <hasan> my screen is active for try mtp...
[17:50] <hasan> I found 2 items in the libmtp rules file
[17:51] <hasan> bq devices
[18:04] <hasan> nope! does not work... gmtp and file manager show error during running
[21:03] <nhaines> Could anyone pastebin a custom ~/.local/share/libertine/ContainersConfig.json from a flo or frieza for me?
[21:05] <bregma> nhaines, what have you done?
[21:05] <nhaines> bregma: forgot to remove the symlink before updating.  :)
[21:06] <bregma> you could just copy the Puritine one and manually add stanzas for your custom containers
[21:07] <nhaines> bregma: I don't have a Puritine one.
[21:07] <nhaines> Although if someone does, I'll take that as well.
[21:10] <bregma> nhaines, do you need the Puritine entry or will any ContainersConfig.json do?
[21:10] <nhaines> bregma: any will do.
[21:14] <bregma> nhaines, here's mine from a test machine (no Puritine) if it's any help -- lxc on a flo or frieza is not supported but the rest might help http://paste.ubuntu.com/16500566/
[21:14] <nhaines> Thanks!  Not that I wasn't looking forward to digging through the frieza filesystem image but... I wasn't, lol.
[21:30] <nhaines> Hmm, nevermind.  It looks like the system update wiped ~/.config/libertine-container as well.
[21:31] <nhaines> I mean .cache
[21:31] <nhaines> So I guess I won't be using my tablet today after all.
[21:53] <bregma> nhaines, system updates shouldn't be wiping your data, that's scary
[21:53] <bregma> the containers are in ~/.cache/libertine-container
[21:54] <bregma> and their home directories are bindmounted from ~/.local/share/libertine-container/user-data/
[21:55] <nhaines> bregma: yes, but the error message is:
[21:55] <nhaines> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ libertine-container-manager install-package -i puritine -p light-themes
[21:55] <nhaines> ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored.
[21:55] <nhaines> /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to get attributes of ‘/home/phablet/.cache/libertine-container/puritine/rootfs’: No such file or directory
[21:56] <bregma> nhaines, is there nothing under /home/phablet/.cache/libertine-container ?
[21:56] <nhaines> No.
[21:58] <bregma> huh.
[21:58] <Acou_Bass> i thought on the tablet the containers were under / not ~/
[21:59] <nhaines> Considering it took two hours to build the container and another hour to actually install four apps, I'm not very happy.
[22:00] <bregma> Acou_Bass, nope...  the Puritine container is because a click can not install into a user directory, but user-created containers are purely user data and can not go in /
[22:00] <Acou_Bass> ahhh right
[22:00] <bregma> nhaines, what kind of update did you do?  This has me worried....
[22:02] <nhaines> bregma: just a regular system update through System Settings.
[22:02] <bregma> I've done that plenty and not lost my containers, I wonder what's up
[22:03]  * bregma goes and updates a test phone just in case
[22:06] <nhaines> I'm happy to grab any logs or whatever before I wipe this tablet.
[22:10] <bregma> hmm, my test phone is pretty messed up -- don't remount your / partition read-write, kids
[22:10] <nhaines> I try to avoid it.  :)
[22:11] <bregma> my daily-use phone still has containers on it but I can't upgrade until OTA-11
[22:12] <bregma> nhaines, I don't think there's any logs to collect or anything, I'll have some people test through upgrades tomorrow to see if they can reproduce
[22:13] <nhaines> bregma: thanks.
[22:13] <nhaines> Now if I can just find a way to get the "Day" scope, I'll really be happy.  :)
[23:16] <Funmungus> Hello ogra_ are you listening?  I had some comments for my experience with the libertine-container-manager
[23:38] <muka> From my testing, it looks that browser does not load images, css and scripts over ssl when self-signed certificate is created.
[23:50] <nhaines> Hmm, I wonder if phablet-shell is confined.


[19:07] <jrwren> whoa. https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2019/08/28/virglrenderer-state-of-virtualized-virtual-worlds/
[19:09] <cmaloney> Oh, that's nice!


[12:16]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[19:52] <djsiegel> mrooney: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tango-icon-theme/+bug/277309 can you take care of this in hundedpapercuts, please
[19:52] <djsiegel> mrooney: you seem to me familiar with the bug
[19:52] <SiDi> mrooney: i didnt manage to find you at uds !
[19:53] <mrooney> SiDi: oh yeah I saw your name badge at the desk but never saw you!
[19:53] <SiDi> i arrived thursday just after the photo :(
[19:54] <SiDi> and i think you left friday early. and i was with the xfce people all time :p
[19:55] <mrooney> SiDi: oh okay, I left saturday afternoon
[19:55] <SiDi> crap :|
[19:55] <SiDi> and you were at the karaoke too ? :o
[19:55] <mrooney> djsiegel: hm I don't even think that dialog is exposed anymore is it? I don't know how to get to it, my comment indicates I thought the bug was fixed
[19:55] <mrooney> SiDi: I was!
[19:57] <SiDi> mrooney: damn, epic failure then cause i was there too.
[19:57] <mrooney> SiDi: alas! there is always next UDS though
[19:57] <SiDi> (btw they didnt have any necklaces so i never wore my badge :X which i now use as a bookmark for my books :p)
[19:57] <SiDi> Yeh


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[01:19] <angel> where can i look for a solution about ubuntustudio and wifi? in the forum there's no solutions
[01:25] <angel> can i ask you without all of you feel ofended?
[01:26] <angel> are you a kind of Elite or Secret organization that can't help common persons that look for some help
[01:27] <angel> i think taht you are creating very bad fame to ubuntu
[01:27] <angel> see you i'm a very famous musician and you are destroying the best of ubuntu
[01:27] <angel> bye
[01:28] <angel> this room is not useful i'll write to ubuntu to take out irc
[03:52] <holstein> wow
[06:23] <apollo> anybody there want to help a newb get started with a setup?
[06:25] <cfhowlett> apoll
[23:41] <dbolton_> Is there a way to add a search bar to the file manager windows  in Ubuntu Studio (XFCE)
[23:43] <dbolton_> I've come across "Caatfish File Search" but it isn't integrated with the file manager (so you have to navigate to a folder manually instead of using the currently open folder in the file manager)
[23:43] <dbolton_> Also Catfish File Search doesn't display the context of the full text searches
[23:44] <dbolton_> (think google search results on the web, or Windows 7 search, where it highlights the matching words in context)


[00:20] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Was it overridden while it was building?
[00:21] <Hobbsee> wgrant: no, but it looks like it was copied by building
[00:21] <Hobbsee> giveback seems to have worked
[00:34] <wgrant> Aha, it looks like r7390 should be the fix for that ridiculous account deactivation bug.
[00:34] <wgrant> Finally.
[00:39] <lamont> Hobbsee: ew
[00:39] <lamont> failed to upload is generally either transient or "interesting":
[00:41] <wgrant> Ooh, I see we have copy archives now.
[00:41] <wgrant> And multiple PPAs.
[00:41] <wgrant> (on dogfood)
[00:46] <Hobbsee> lamont: yes...
[00:46] <Hobbsee> wgrant: oh, excellent!  where'd you find that?
[00:48] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I tries to poke my PPA on dogfood and it 404'd, and https://dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archives has stuff on it.
[00:49] <Hobbsee> wgrant: i meant the account deactivation bug, but, cool
[00:49] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Ah, well, that I found on the LP 2.1.12 test plan.
[00:50] <wgrant> Because the bug is still private :(
[00:50] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:50] <_MMA_> Can "projects" have mailing lists or are they only for teams?
[02:17] <stdin> _MMA_: only for teams, but you can create a team for your project. even with the same name iirc
[02:18] <_MMA_> stdin: Sure. I have a -dev team but its a small project and wanted a general list for all. Thanx for the answer.
[02:20] <stdin> you could create a -users team I guess
[02:22] <_MMA_> stdin: Yeah, like I said, small. :) Don't want the separation. And man, I really don't need to be on more lists. :P
[02:51] <pygi> jml, available for just a second?
[03:03] <mwhudson> pygi: he's giving a talk at osdc _right now_ :)
[03:03] <pygi> mwhudson, perhaps you have his mail? :)
[03:03] <mwhudson> address?
[03:04] <pygi> well e-mail,yea :)
[03:04] <mwhudson> see private
[03:04]  * pygi sees private
[08:40] <jamesh> sourceforge has updated their bug tracker, and it still sucks
[09:07] <wgrant> jamesh: Mmmhmmm.
[09:07] <wgrant> A project I work on for uni is considering moving from there to Google Code... I'm hoping to make them come here instead.
[09:10] <jamesh> wgrant: if you ask nicely, you can get your bugs migrated from SF to LP
[09:14] <wgrant> jamesh: I'm aware, yes.
[09:15] <wgrant> That's one thing LP wins on. Having real people to talk to.
[10:13] <NCommander> wgrant, try #sourceforge
[10:13] <NCommander> It used to have real people ...
[10:57] <nbjayme> good evening from the philippines! :)  I am getting a connection timeout on port 22 when pushing my project;  bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>    it was working before or i'm just too way clumsy.
[11:11] <nbjayme> regenerating keys.... :(
[11:57] <nbjayme> okay... my clumsiness... :-[  bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net <---- is the right url.
[14:09] <darius12> isn't debuild -S -sa the right way to produce the source package to upload if the package is new?
[14:10] <darius12> I keep getting No signer, therefore ACL not processed
[14:17] <darius12> hmm, from the build log it seems that the package builds ok and then the problem is during the 'upload' to the ppa from the build host  ..
[14:19] <cprov-away> darius12: can you point me to the buildlog ?
[14:20] <darius12> sure, wait a sec
[14:20] <darius12> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20229558/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.google-gadgets_0.10.4%2Bsvn20081205-0~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:21] <darius12> oops, wrong sorry
[14:21] <darius12> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/20231881/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.google-gadgets_0.10.4%2Bsvn20081205-0~ppa7_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:22] <darius12> this is the correct one
[14:23] <darius12> cprov-away: Or maybe you want this page: https://launchpad.net/~pktoss/+archive/+build/805515
[14:24] <cprov-away> darius12: thanks, let me check.
[14:24] <cprov-away> darius12: 2008-12-05 13:54:03 WARNING 	Require Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.14.12ubuntu3) when using lzma compression.
[14:24] <darius12> would this be a fatal problem?
[14:25] <cprov-away> darius12: yes, see the build upload log -> https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Epktoss/+archive/+build/805515/+files/upload_805515_log.txt
[14:26] <cprov-away> darius12: the line above says: "WARNING Upload was rejected:" ;)
[14:27] <darius12> cprov-away: what confused me was the line above: No signer, therefore ACL not processed
[14:27] <darius12> so I kept thinking there was something wrong with the way I signed the source file :-)
[14:28] <cprov-away> darius12: it's an INFO message, can't be dangerous.
[14:28] <cprov-away> darius12: binaries come unsigned from the builders.
[14:29] <darius12> I see. From now on, I 'll know better :-)  Thanks a lot for your help :-)
[14:30] <cprov-away> darius12: you are welcome.
[14:31] <enygmata> is bazaar.launchpad.net under maintenance ?
[14:33] <Ursinha> enygmata, are you having issues?
[14:34] <enygmata> im getting "There was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." message
[14:35] <Ursinha> enygmata, it works here, and this address redirects me to launchpad.net
[14:36] <enygmata> the full address is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rexpert-team/rexpert/trunk/changes
[14:41] <Ursinha> enygmata, it's also working
[14:41] <Ursinha> for me
[14:41] <Ursinha> :)
[14:55] <philn> hi
[14:56] <philn> i'm trying to use launchpadlib to update bugs but transitionToStatus() doesn't seem to work
[14:56] <philn>     bug.transitionToStatus('Fix Released')
[14:56] <philn> TypeError: __call__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
[14:59] <salgado> philn, bug.transitionToStatus(status='Fix Released')
[15:00] <salgado> currently, launchpadlib doesn't take positional arguments
[15:03] <philn> oh, i see
[15:04] <philn> working ;)
[15:05] <philn> and one other thing, each time i start the script using LP lib, i have to authenticate via the browser
[15:13] <salgado> philn, I think lplib provides some facilities to store the credentials on disk so that you can re-use them
[15:14] <salgado> yeah, Credentials.load() and Credentials.save()
[15:17] <philn> where can i find an up-to-date API doc?
[15:17] <salgado> leonardr, ^
[15:19] <philn> nvm, i'll just use pydoc...
[15:19] <leonardr> philn, https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib is up to date
[15:19] <leonardr> it's not a reference, if you want a pydoc type reference then pydoc is the way to go
[17:25] <Gregorio> hi folks
[17:26] <Gregorio> I'm looking for any blueprints, groups, channels, e-mails lists or any other information or communities to learn about latest thinking re: web services plan (aka webplications) in Ubuntu. Any pointers really appreciated
[17:26] <Gregorio> I want to help define it and make a contribution...
[18:07] <jkakar> Is there a way to push a branch to launchpad such that it is auto-linked to the bug it's associated with?
[18:08] <salgado_> jkakar, yeah, just pass --fixes=lp:bug-number in one of the commits on that branch
[18:09] <jkakar> salgado_: I was afraid you'd say that. :)  I don't really like that because --fixes implies, at least to me, that the branch really does solve the problem, but the first few pushes are always about getting a review to see if that is really true.
[18:09] <jkakar> salgado_: But anyway, I guess I'll do that, thanks.
[18:10] <salgado_> jkakar, yeah, we don't like that either, but that's all we have now, I'm afraid


[22:38] <mamarley> apw: It looks like the amd64 lowlatency kernel for v4.6.1-yakkety is busted and won't boot.  Here is the output I get: https://i.imgur.com/U9XvJEl.jpg.
[22:41] <mamarley> By grepping dmesg, it appears that the "ahci" driver is not loading, which would explain the lack of root device.
[22:43] <mamarley> The ahci.ko file is included in the initramfs and loads properly if I modprobe it.
[22:53] <mamarley> It looks like udev isn't working correctly, first because the module doesn't load to begin with and then if I load the module manually, the device files don't get created.
[23:08] <mamarley> I am doing my own build of 4.6.1 now to see if that acts any differently.


[06:32] <dholbach> good morning
[13:56] <exagon> hi
[13:57] <exagon> anyone knows when 14.04 will be exactly released?
[13:59] <Saibuntu> Hai
[14:02] <evo> exagon: tomorrow it will be released. or you're asking about the hour?
[14:02] <exagon> about the hour
[14:02] <exagon> :D
[14:02] <evo> exagon: normally between 00h and 23h59 but IDK exactly :D
[14:03] <exagon> -_- yeah thats realy exact xD
[14:03] <jcastro> hi everyone!
[14:03] <exagon> hi
[14:04] <nik90> mhall119: you are online
[14:04] <mhall119> if you have a question you can ask it here, starting with "QUESTION"
[14:06] <Ayong> hi
[14:14] <CrusaderAD> QUESTION: With the axing of Ubuntu One, are there plans for cloud storage in the future? Anything for contacts syncing, photos, docs etc with an Ubuntu Account?
[14:15] <exagon> "QUESTION" will mir be in 14.04
[14:16] <stakoov_> a
[14:17] <CrusaderAD> Switched to OwnCloud... it's great.
[14:18] <jcastro> owncloud is deployable out of the box via Juju!
[14:18] <BriZzZ> Just Installed 14.04 LTS 20 mins ago. First thing when I booted: Compiz crashed...
[14:18] <CrusaderAD> jcastro: nice!
[14:18] <mhall119> unity8-desktop-session-mir is the Unity 8 desktop session package
[14:19] <mhall119> http://www.olli-ries.com/unity-8-on-ubuntu-14-04/
[14:23] <mhall119> if you have a question you can ask it here, starting with "QUESTION"
[14:28] <mhall119> last chance, if you have any questions ask them now
[14:29] <exagon> "QUESTION" at which time 14.04 will be released tomorrow?
[15:54] <pragun> hey
[15:54] <pragun> i just want to know when 14.04 is going to roll out ??
[15:55] <k1l> after 24h
[15:55] <pragun> but the release date is 17 april
[15:56] <k1l> yes, but its not 00:01 on 17th april
[15:57] <pragun> ohh you mean at 00.00 of 18 april
[15:57] <pragun> exactly what time according to GMT 5:30
[23:12] <msgol> 17th of april give me an hour of relase please and time zone


 can qtwebkit be built without gstreamer (temporarily)? with gstreamer broken in proposed qtwebkit depending on it is one blocker I think?
 @acheronuk, @mitya57


[19:22] <atk> I have a pango development question. Is it possible to get pango_ft2_render_layout to render to a FT_Bitmap with the FT_PIXEL_MODE_BGRA?
[19:22] <atk> It seems to just assume that everything is greyscale.
[19:23] <atk> I want subpixel font rendering (not just greyscale)
[20:01] <atk> actually, looks like it's not possible to do this at all without using cairo?
[20:01] <atk> I guess I will just look at using cairo.


 I tried it, and I ran 8x2 samples latency at 44.1khz (0.363 ms) stable it seems.
[20:07] <bobbyroberts> does this channel help with video issues?
[20:23] <bobbyroberts> MBP 2.4/2gib Ubuntu 9.10 Nvidia driver issues
[21:04] <RemunJ66> Great being here
[21:59] <meatron> hi, i installed ubuntu studio yesterday, huge difference since i tried it last couple of years ago, congrats!
[22:00] <meatron> i have couple of questions though: I can't change the sample-rate on Creole, it seems fixed on 48000, any way to change it?
[22:01] <meatron> or alternatively any suggestions for a similar software?
[22:01] <meatron> i read about rackarrack, but can't find a package... compile it from source??
[22:02] <meatron> Beast looks pretty interesting, but it doesn't work with jack. So what's the point?
[22:09] <meatron> ok, seems no one is listening. anyway, i am pretty impressed... thank you maintainers! me goes compiling rackarrack and guitarix...
[22:30] <meatron> one more thing, jackbeat refuses to start, here the log: http://pastebin.org/107890


[04:40] <Steve_Jo1> anyone got a wacom tablet to install properly?
[04:40] <Steve_Jo1> I get mine to install (ubuntu 15.10 with unity) but it stops working after a reboot
[04:40] <Steve_Jo1> any clues where to start?
[04:41] <Steve_Jo1> there is a error reported dialog after reboot but I'm not sure which error log to start in
[04:41] <Steve_Jo1> I followed the instructions on the linux wacom project site
[04:50] <Steve_Jo1> I also see that the syslog is getting flooded with control queue full messages for wacom
[06:13] <hikiko> Hi
[06:16] <duflu> Morning hikiko
[06:48] <hikiko> Hi duflu :-)
[07:30] <desrt> good morning, desktop!
[07:30] <desrt> hikiko, duflu: hi!
[07:35] <hikiko> hi desrt :)
[07:35] <hikiko> are you in EU or jet lagged?
[07:35] <desrt> EU
[07:35] <hikiko> :D
[07:35]  * desrt gives the matrix a workout
[07:35] <hikiko> brussels?
[07:35] <desrt> köln
[07:36] <desrt> 2nd home :)
[07:36] <hikiko> germany?
[07:36] <desrt> ya.  NRW.
[07:36] <hikiko> :D
[07:37] <duflu> desrt: Morgen
[07:57] <ricotz> desrt, hey
[07:58] <ricotz> desrt, could take a look at these patches? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761337
[07:58] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 761337 in introspection "Fix some annotations" [Normal,New]
[08:32] <happyaron> hey seb128
[08:41] <Laney> yo
[08:45] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock could you review this branch (if you are here): https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.shadows-on-existing-pixmaps/+merge/284068 ?
[08:50] <seb128> hey happyaron Laney hikiko
[08:51] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:51] <hikiko> hey seb128 happyaron Laney desktopers
[08:53] <Laney> what's up
[08:56] <darkxst> hey seb128 Laney hikiko
[08:56] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:57] <darkxst> is there some reason that the valac package ended up back in universe?
[08:57] <darkxst> (just that binary package only)
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, getting something to eat, I wish I was at the hotel with you guys now, their buffet is quite nice ;-)
[08:57] <Laney> seb128: I'll post you some cheese if you want
[08:57] <seb128> darkxst, likely because nothing was depending it/pulling it in main
[08:57] <seb128> Laney, :-)
[08:58] <seb128> Laney, did you guys work all night?!
[08:58] <darkxst> seb128, build-deps don't count there?
[08:58] <seb128> they do
[08:59] <seb128> yeah, it's showing on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html
[08:59] <seb128> [Reverse-Build-Depends: d-conf (MAIN)]
[08:59] <seb128> maybe that was not the case when it got demoted?
[09:00] <Laney> or an error when the new source got newed
[09:00] <Laney> seb128: until like 12:30 or 1
[09:00] <Laney> then we went for falafel
[09:01] <darkxst> seb128, there are more than just d-conf, g-c-c and u-c-c for example
[09:01] <seb128> well, dunno then, as Laney said, maybe when it was NEWed if it comes from a different source
[09:02] <seb128> does it matter much how it ended up being in universe?
[09:02] <darkxst> no, just needs to be promoted again
[09:02] <seb128> it feels like arguing for the sake of arguing
[09:02] <seb128> yeah, it's on component mismatch, it's going to be promoted
[09:02] <seb128> let me look at that in a minute
[09:03] <darkxst> ok, thanks
[09:03] <willcooke> morning / evening
[09:03] <TheMuso> Hey folks. :)
[09:03] <willcooke> hey TheMuso!!
[09:03] <willcooke> How goes?
[09:04] <darkxst> hey willcooke
[09:04] <TheMuso> Not too bad thanks. :)
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:04] <seb128> evening TheMuso
[09:04] <Laney> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/html/xenial/main/index.html
[09:05] <Laney> nice drop in warnings ;-)
[09:05] <willcooke> Laney, nice!
[09:05] <Laney> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/html/xenial/main/issues/index.html & some work for us to do
[09:05] <Laney> hey willcooke
[09:05] <Laney> wie gehts?
[09:06] <willcooke> Laney, what time did you guys get done last night?
[09:06] <willcooke> Not too much later I hope
[09:06] <Laney> I guess like 12.30
[09:07] <willcooke> oh boy, well thank you
[09:07] <davmor2> willcooke: you say last night like you think he went to bed ;)
[09:07] <willcooke> :)
[09:07] <willcooke> tbh, they probably didnt
[09:08] <seb128> they just had a small pause for falafel apparently
[09:08] <willcooke> seb128, doing some house keeping.. if I remove didrocks from the desktop team that will probably break things for him won't it?
[09:08] <seb128> they went straight back to business
[09:08] <willcooke> dedication right there
[09:08] <willcooke> oh, and it's review time as well
[09:08] <seb128> willcooke, no, it shouldn't
[09:08] <willcooke> ;)
[09:08] <seb128> he's going to stop receiving your weekly meeting reminders
[09:08] <willcooke> seb128, oki, I'll remove him then ( :(( )
[09:08] <seb128> but that should be it
[09:09] <seb128> diiiddrroocccks
[09:09] <seb128> you are going to be missed in the team!
[09:09] <seb128> he's coredev so he's still going to have access to our vcs-es etc
[09:09] <willcooke> pssch, he's not even online. Slack.
[09:09] <seb128> those marketing people...
[09:09] <seb128> I'm sure they had a nice dinner with after meal drinks
[09:09] <larsu> good morning!
[09:10] <willcooke> HAHA!  It's funny because its true.
[09:10] <seb128> hey larsu :-)
[09:10] <willcooke> morning larsu
[09:10] <seb128> willcooke, :-)
[09:10] <larsu> hi willcooke
[09:17] <alexarnaud> Hello all!
[09:19] <pitti> good morning everyone! (forgot  to say earlier, *tsk*)
[09:19] <larsu> hi pitti!
[09:20] <Laney> hey pittiiii
[09:21] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:21] <pitti> c'est comme printemps !
[09:21] <larsu> it's rainy here
[09:21]  * pitti looks at a sunny garden with hundreds of crocusses and thousands of snowdrops..
[09:22] <larsu> was ist hier los?
[09:22] <larsu> pitti: nice!
[09:22] <pitti> larsu: simple -- this isn't Belgium any more :)
[09:22] <larsu> haha
[09:22] <larsu> good point
[09:23] <seb128> hey alexarnaud pitti
[09:24] <alexarnaud> hey seb128 pitti larsu
[09:25] <pitti> bonjour alexarnaud et seb128, comment allez-vous ?
[09:25] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[09:25] <alexarnaud> pitti: fort bien et toi ?
[09:26] <pitti> argh, compose key broken
[09:26] <pitti> a bit tired, I just keep  going to bed late as we have another virtual sprint this week
[09:28] <happyaron> hey pitti larsu
[09:28] <larsu> hi happyaron
[09:28]  * larsu and Laney are searching for icons
[09:28] <larsu> ARGH
[09:28] <larsu> seb128!!!!
[09:28] <happyaron> seb128: would you mind approving open-gram in trusty queue when you got some time? (for SRU)
[09:29] <larsu> seb128: we know what you did in summer of 2010
[09:29] <larsu> AND WE DON'T LIKE IT
[09:29]  * happyaron is curious about what was done
[09:31] <seb128> larsu, whatever that is you simply don't understand young padawan!
[09:32] <seb128> is that icon theme related? ;-)
[09:32] <larsu> Laney tells me this is a star wars reference
[09:32] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/51121591/gnome-icon-theme_2.30.3-1ubuntu1_2.30.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[09:32] <Laney> THIS
[09:32] <Laney> IS NOT ACCEPTABLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[09:32] <seb128> lol
[09:32] <larsu> seb128: yes. We wondered why everyone has nice font viewer icons from adwaita
[09:32] <larsu> except for us
[09:33] <seb128> that's bs
[09:33] <seb128> g-i-t is in universe
[09:33] <Laney> the change lives on
[09:33] <seb128> it's not even installed on my machine
[09:33] <Laney> in adwaita
[09:33] <seb128> that I don't claim responsability for ;-)
[09:34]  * larsu hugs seb128
[09:34] <Laney> it's going to be okay
[09:34]  * seb128 hugs larsu back
[09:34] <Laney> good icons coming your way
[09:34] <Laney> 2016 is our year
[09:34] <larsu> e're having a blast here becasue of that change
[09:34] <seb128> that rm removes emblems emotes and status
[09:34] <seb128> why are apps having their icons on those folders?
[09:34] <Laney> hahahahaha
[09:34] <seb128> and not in apps?
[09:34] <Laney> stop trying to wriggle out!
[09:34] <seb128> :p
[09:34] <Laney> it got expanded later on to remove all 256
[09:35] <larsu> there's no escaping the blame for this
[09:35] <seb128> that also I deny responsability for :p
[09:35] <larsu> it's because he has a low res screen and x86
[09:35] <larsu> doesn't need big icons
[09:35] <Laney> go fight for i386 on devel instead
[09:35] <Laney> it needs you
[09:35] <seb128> I've svg
[09:35] <seb128> why would I need 256 pixmaps
[09:35] <seb128> ?
[09:36] <larsu> software center wants them
[09:36] <seb128> does it?
[09:36] <larsu> and the icon is blurry in my dash
[09:36] <seb128> or you mean gnome-software? ;-)
[09:36] <larsu> yes, it wants 64 and (optionally) 25
[09:36] <seb128> iz GTK bog
[09:36] <larsu> *256
[09:36] <seb128> ah
[09:36] <seb128> 64 is what is missing then :-)
[09:36] <larsu> seb128: gnome-software implements the app stream spec which  mandates it
[09:36] <larsu> seb128: well, no.
[09:36] <seb128> yeah for another crappy spec!
[09:38] <larsu> making people have better icons is good
[09:38] <larsu> same for descriptions and screenshots
[09:38] <seb128> forcing people to have a stack of big bitmaps on their disk is not especially good
[09:38] <seb128> you can have good svg icons
[09:39] <seb128> it should be the choice of the appdev to provide a bitmap or a svg as their convinience
[09:39] <larsu> yeah I think we should only ship 8x8 then
[09:39] <larsu> don
[09:39] <larsu> don't have that much disk space
[09:39] <larsu> it's expensive these days
[09:39]  * seb128 slaps larsu
[09:39] <larsu> :P
[09:39] <seb128> dude
[09:39] <larsu> also, think of all the bandwidth!
[09:39] <seb128> don't tell me that a svg can't look good at 256x256
[09:39] <Laney> you don't have an svg for the font viewer
[09:39] <seb128> well, you could
[09:39] <Laney> you have a symbolic icon svg
[09:40] <Laney> yes
[09:40] <seb128> it' stupid that spec forbid you to use a svg if you would prefer so
[09:40] <seb128> or rather that it forces you to provide a 256 pixmap
[09:40] <seb128> oh well
[09:40] <larsu> seb128: it doesn't. You can have svg if you want
[09:40] <larsu> it's just that adwaita chooses not to
[09:40] <seb128> yeah, but it mandates to have a pixmap as well
[09:40] <seb128> according to what you said before
[09:41] <Laney> o
[09:41] <Laney> no
[09:41] <Laney> you need to have something which is at least 64
[09:41] <Laney> if that's a scaled svg that is ok
[09:41] <seb128> k
[09:41] <seb128> all good then :-)
[09:41] <larsu> :)
[09:43] <seb128> larsu, and I know that disk space is not an issue for most people, but you add 15M there and there and end up having a
[09:43] <seb128> 3G iso instead of a 1G one
[09:43] <seb128> and it has a cost, even if you find that being funny ;-)
[09:44] <seb128> more mirror, bandwith, datas to copy (= slower install)
[09:45] <seb128> not saying we shouldn't add those icons back
[09:45] <seb128> but the change was not that crazy
[09:48] <larsu> yeah fair enough
[09:48] <seb128> sorry for the argument :-)
[09:49] <seb128> is that change also going to fix my sound panel having a low res icon? ;-)
[09:49] <larsu> it does?
[09:49] <larsu> no, this change is for adwaita
[09:49] <seb128> k
[09:49] <seb128> yes
[09:49] <seb128> if you open u-c-c -> sound and alt-tab you should see that the icon is low res
[09:49] <larsu> we noticed it when running the app stream generator for which I fixed the icon loading last night
[09:49] <seb128> k
[09:49]  * Trevinho forgot to say hi...
[09:49] <seb128> hey Trevinho! had a good fosdem & trip back?
[09:49] <larsu> Trevinho: you get another chance tomorrow
[09:50] <Trevinho> Finally St home though
[09:50]  * pitti hugs seb128 for trying to fight back against cruft and fat a bit
[09:50] <larsu> seb128: you're right
[09:50]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[09:50] <larsu> ugh, ugly
[09:50] <pitti> we already have an 1.5 GB image, this just grows unbounded
[09:50] <pitti> even though we didn't really add anything significant on the desktop in several cycles -- in xenial we even disabled some stuff
[09:50] <Trevinho> seb128: yes thanks, all good... I'm sorry I didn't say you but on Friday :-(
[09:51] <larsu> pitti: do we install adwaita-icon-theme bu default?
[09:51] <pitti> Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, xubuntu-core, xubuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-frontend, mythbuntu-frontend, mythbuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-backend-master, mythbuntu-backend-master, lubuntu-core, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop-core, ubuntu-gnome-desktop, ubuntu-sdk-libs,
[09:51] <larsu> I'd be fine if theme authors only include svg at those sizes
[09:51] <pitti> ubuntukylin-desktop, ubuntu-mate-core
[09:51] <pitti> larsu: yes
[09:51] <larsu> hm, k
[09:51] <larsu> maybe we should ask them to fix it
[09:51] <larsu> but I'm not fine with blurry icons
[09:51] <pitti> why would svg be blurry?
[09:51] <larsu> and apparently seb128 isn't either ;)
[09:52] <pitti> isn't the whole point of svg to always look good at any scale?
[09:52] <seb128> Trevinho, no worry, we see each other again in not so long
[09:52] <Trevinho> ;-)
[09:52] <larsu> pitti: sorry, that came out wrong. They don't install svg right now, but 256x256 pngs. Out "fix" is to just drop those, which makes icons blurry
[09:52] <larsu> pitti: real fix: make them include svg for those sizes
[09:52] <pitti> ack
[09:53] <seb128> I wonder if they didn't have .svg back then when we did the change
[09:53] <larsu> s/out/our, of course
[09:53] <pitti> or maybe nautilus should just stop having icons a quarter the size of my screen again
[09:53] <larsu> seb128: dunno. Source has been svg for a long time, but back then rendering times might have been unacceptable
[09:54] <larsu> pitti: haha, this is about gnome-software, the dash, alt-tab, etc
[09:54] <seb128> pitti, yeah, we plan on reverting nautilus for the LTS
[09:54] <larsu> REVERT ALL ZE THINGS
[09:54] <seb128> but different issue
[09:54] <seb128> :-/
[09:54] <pitti> hm, it would be great if we could only ship the svgs, and they would then be rendered and cached for your DPI/chosen icon size
[09:56] <larsu> we can't do that for smaller sizes, as they're sometimes tweaked
[09:57] <seb128> larsu, Laney, the icon is provided by the server? if that's an Ubuntu server we should probably run the collector using our theme rather than adwaita no?
[10:00] <larsu> seb128: of course. Humanity doesn't include preferences-desktop-font and we fall back to Adwaita
[10:00] <larsu> this is how we noticed
[10:01] <seb128> k
[10:16] <alexarnaud> seb128: I don't understand exactly why but if I restart from scratch everything compile
[10:16] <seb128> alexarnaud, why wouldn't it compile?
[10:17] <alexarnaud> seb128: I don't know exactly, maybe something wrong in copy from VBox shared folder
[10:17] <alexarnaud> I need to investigate to understand
[10:18] <alexarnaud> I've tried today morning to give you a proper log and everything was good
[10:18] <alexarnaud> The day begins well :)ù!
[10:18] <seb128> :-)
[11:35] <dpm> hi willcooke, did you get the chance to look further at the webbrowser app log to debug why apps weren't starting on the unity 8 session?
[11:37] <willcooke> dpm, no sorry, haven't looked
[11:37] <dpm> willcooke, np, just wondering if it had been something obvious
[11:38] <willcooke> dpm, from the log file it looked like a seg fault, so I expect it will be something in Mir that has changed and the apps need to catch up
[11:40] <dpm> willcooke, ack. What's the best project to file the bug against, unity8-desktop-session-mir?
[11:40] <willcooke> I think the app which is crashing is better
[11:41] <dpm> it's all of them :)
[11:41] <dpm> anyway, I'll see if I can get a crash report
[11:51] <larsu> Laney: wie kann das sein?
[11:53] <larsu> didrocks: thanks!
[11:53] <larsu> for helping Laney write that script
[12:02] <didrocks> larsu: euh… ok :p
[13:19] <willcooke> andyrock, hikiko Trevinho - could you quickly make sure your cards are up to date on the Trello board before we start the meeting?
[13:19] <andyrock> sure
[13:19] <hikiko> sure
[13:20] <willcooke> tghx
[13:20] <willcooke> thx
[13:25] <hikiko> Reboot :-/
[13:28] <Laney> meow
[13:31]  * seb128 gives some milk to Laney
[13:32] <willcooke> andyrock, hikiko - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/unity-7-sprint?authuser=0
[13:34] <seb128> andyrock, you are laaate ;-)
[13:34] <Trevinho> :-D
[13:34] <andyrock> like always
[13:34]  * andyrock is joining
[13:34] <willcooke> :)
[13:36] <larsu> what's this meeting that we're missing
[13:36] <larsu> ?
[13:38] <seb128> larsu, unity7 trello board review
[13:38] <seb128> larsu, feel free to join if you want
[13:39] <seb128> it's a regular meeting, we just skept over some because of travels
[13:40] <larsu> seb128: nah Laney is making me do work right now :/
[13:40] <seb128> get Laney to join the unity7 review while you work ;-)
[13:41] <seb128> Laney, btw, do you know if the plan is to remove aptdaemon from the archive when we land policykit 1.0?
[13:41] <seb128> or is that a robert_ancell question
[13:42] <seb128> it makes me a bit nervous
[13:48] <Trevinho> hikiko: I've double checked... The classes are fine, but just add also "google-chrome-unstable"
[13:48] <Laney> it doesn't work any more with pk 1.0
[13:48] <Laney> so yes
[13:48] <seb128> k
[13:50] <seb128> let's see how that goes
[13:50] <seb128> it makes me a bit nervous...
[13:52] <larsu> why?
[13:53] <hikiko> ok Trevinho will do after the meeting :)
[13:54] <seb128> because we have been using aptdaemon for ever and I'm not confident that there is not some package in the archive, kubuntu, ... which rely on some specific api it's providing or that everything is going to work with packagekit
[13:55] <larsu> ah, right
[14:35] <hikiko> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.handles-chrome-chromium-windows-in-fullscreen/+merge/282426
[14:36] <hikiko> could you approve it?
[14:36] <seb128> tedg, mterry, do you know what code positions the indicator menus in unity-greeter?
[14:36] <hikiko> (the google-chrome-unstable addition)
[14:37] <tedg> seb128: We specify the position in the indicator ini file, is that useful?
[14:37] <tedg> seb128: Or do you need the code itself?
[14:38] <seb128> tedg, no, I mean the popdown menu on screen
[14:38] <seb128> not the indicators order
[14:38] <seb128> tedg, if we enable hi-dpi scaling the menus are opened shifted from the indicators position
[14:38] <tedg> Oh, I see.
[14:39] <seb128> but I can't figure out what set the position
[14:39] <tedg> I thought we were using GTK for that, because it has all that placement code.
[14:39] <tedg> But I haven't looked for a long time.
[14:40] <seb128> it's possible, but then for some reason it doesn't work :-/
[14:40] <tedg> Yeah, I imagine that GTK has new API for more information that we're not using.
[14:40] <tedg> When they added HiDPI support.
[14:41] <seb128> who is "we" in that case
[14:41] <seb128> I don't find much gtk_menu code in unity-greeter
[14:41] <seb128> and the indicators work in an unity session so I assume they are fine
[14:41] <tedg> I think it's probably libindicator
[14:41] <seb128> or unity is doing something...
[14:42] <tedg> I imagine the greeter never ditched that.
[14:42] <seb128> to replace it with what?
[14:43] <tedg> Oh, oh, larsu's name is on code here. It must be all his fault :-)
[14:43] <seb128> lol
[14:43] <tedg> seb128: I think that the main unity started going directly to the models instead of using the lib.
[14:43] <tedg> Which makes sense.
[14:44]  * larsu hides under the conference table
[14:44] <seb128> ok, I give up for now
[14:44] <seb128> I just can't find it
[14:44] <seb128> thanks tedg
[14:45] <tedg> We had always said we wanted to deprecate libindicator, it just never really got pushed to the final state.
[14:45] <seb128> well, I doubt it's going to be a priority for this cycle
[14:45] <seb128> but I don't see any code in libindicator that set the x,y for the menu popdown
[14:46] <tedg> seb128: Perhaps that's the issue ;-)
[14:46] <tedg> I think it's the gtk_menu in indicator-ng.c that is being used.
[14:47] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[14:47] <seb128> going for some exercice before our weekly meeting but I'm going to have another look once I'm back
[14:48] <larsu> seb128: enjoy!
[14:48] <seb128> larsu, thanks ;-)
[14:49] <tedg> np, I think the widget actually gets passed up. So it'd have to be the caller that was setting the position.
[14:49] <seb128> that seems complex
[14:49] <seb128> how is it positioned atm?
[14:50] <tedg> I believe there was a gtk function that positions a menu based on another widget.
[14:50] <seb128> looks like whatever does it should know about the scaling factor and take into account to position
[14:50] <larsu> ya, probably that doesn't account for hidpi
[14:50] <larsu> but simply passes pixels
[14:50] <seb128> tedg, gtk_widget_translate_coordinates?
[14:51] <seb128> larsu, "that"?
[14:51] <tedg> I think we were using gtk_menu_popup()
[14:51] <seb128> tedg, no such function in the libindicator source
[14:51] <larsu> seb128: the menu positioning function
[14:51] <tedg> Yes, I think the caller had to call that on the menu passed up from libindicator
[14:51] <seb128> nor in unity-greeter
[14:52] <larsu> it's in unity-panel-service, not libindicator
[14:52] <tedg> Hmm...
[14:52] <seb128> larsu, we are speaking about unity-greeter, does that use ups?
[14:52] <seb128> I don't think it does
[14:52] <larsu> oops
[14:52]  * larsu is silent and continues fixing bugs for Laney
[14:52] <seb128> menus are well positioned in unity ;-)
[14:53] <Laney> SILENCIO
[14:53] <seb128> k, really need to go if I want to be back for the meeting
[14:58] <tedg> seb128: It looks like in menubar.vala it is creating an IndicatorMenuItem which subclasses Gtk.MenuItem. Then it sets the indicator menu as a submenu of the widget on the panel. So I think it is the GTK code for opening submenus that is positioning the menu.
[15:25] <willcooke> desktoppers - in a meeting which might over run a little bit
[15:25] <desrt> vote seb!
[15:31] <willcooke> ok done
[15:31] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-02
[15:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb  2 15:31:31 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <qengho> Dang!
[15:32] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron, hikiko, laney (maybe out), larsu (maybe out), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <desrt> hello willcooke and fellow teammates!
[15:33] <Trevinho> \o/
[15:33] <willcooke> looks like it's just us three :)
[15:33] <attente> hi :)
[15:33] <willcooke> 4
[15:33] <desrt> hi attente.  how's toronto? :)
[15:33] <larsu> hi!
[15:33] <andyrock> \o
[15:33] <attente> desrt: you're missing out on the chinatown gang violence
[15:33] <larsu> uh oh
[15:33] <desrt> attente: ya... i saw that.
[15:33] <desrt> toronto is going to hell.  i'm staying in köln.
[15:34] <willcooke> :D
[15:34] <Texou> hi
[15:34] <Texou> hi didrocks
[15:34] <willcooke> Let's get this meeting started then
[15:35] <willcooke> Texou, please hold on a little while, while we do a quick meeting
[15:35] <alexarnaud> hi pepito !
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <andyrock> hey
[15:35] <andyrock> I'm working on g-s launcher integration
[15:35] <andyrock> should be done soooon!
[15:35] <andyrock> \eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:36] <attente> hey, not much news besides fixing a lot of the patches at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579
[15:36] <attente> (eof)
[15:36] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 756579 in Widget: GtkMenu "GTK should let GDK position menus" [Normal,New]
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> hi!  just back from fosdem/hackfest
[15:37] <desrt> the hackfest was not the _most_ productive one that i've had (due to an uncharacteristic bout of intense jetlag) but i managed to get some reviewing and small patches done, along with discussing crack ideas
[15:37] <desrt> in particular, i got a chance to sync up with alex on dconf containersation issues (he is driving the effort to make gnome apps container-friendly)
[15:38] <desrt> working now on finishing up some patches to fundamentally change how we do type utility macros in gobject -- g_typeof()...
[15:38] <desrt> after that, i'm back to the gsettingsbackend work... it seems that really a lot of people are suddenly interested in this (for about three separate reasons)
[15:38] <desrt> finally: i'm on CEST this week and next
[15:38] <desrt> (eof)
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:39] <dgadomski> hey
[15:39] <dgadomski> * fix to old and annoying bug 1337873 has been released!
[15:39] <ubot5`> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Debian) "ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873
[15:39] <dgadomski> * backported fix and prepared debdiffs for SRU for bug 1538724 - completely preventing users from launching firefox in some configurations
[15:39] <ubot5`> bug 1538724 in firefox (Ubuntu Wily) "GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1]: Unknown cairo format 3" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538724
[15:39] <dgadomski> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> cool, thanks dgadomski
[15:40] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic FJKong_
[15:40] <willcooke> sogou bug tracking
[15:40] <willcooke> display garbled code reported by user.
[15:40] <willcooke> cannot adjust order of candidate words.
[15:40] <willcooke> record pinyin search video.
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> happyaron, please let me have your update by email
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:43] <seb128> lag?
[15:43] <larsu> lug?
[15:43] <seb128> log?
[15:43] <larsu> leg?
[15:43] <qengho> gal?
[15:43] <Laney> lyg
[15:43] <hikiko> fixed the last shadow issues and proposed for review (here's a demo with the shadow of a blob-shaped window that changes in real-time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg), added the change for chrome-unstable we discussed on the meeting and my next task will be to transform the nux and unity components using the enhanced zoom plugin transformations eof
[15:43] <hikiko> sorry guys :)
[15:44] <larsu> hikiko: nice work!
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:44] <willcooke> • SRUed gstreamer 1.6.3 point releases to wily - please test if you're
[15:44] <willcooke> running wily
[15:44] <willcooke> • Uploaded gvfs to D + U
[15:44] <willcooke> • Fixed some tests to make gvfs migrate
[15:44] <willcooke> • Worked with IS to get appstream.ubuntu.com deployed - currently doing
[15:44] <willcooke> initial run
[15:44] <willcooke> • FOSDEM
[15:44] <willcooke> • Appstream sprint - fix icon handling code, work on charm/server, bug
[15:44] <willcooke> fixes to extractor, some looking at gnome-software
[15:44] <willcooke> ☬
[15:44] <desrt> lig.   (see what i did there?)
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:44] <larsu> git@github.com:larsu/appstream-dep11.git
[15:45] <larsu> oops (wrong paste)
[15:45] <larsu> my penultimate meeting :/
[15:45] <larsu> two hackfests and a fosdem
[15:45] <larsu> gnome: a bit low on discussions, but did some glib work and talked to pwithnall about making glib log to the journal
[15:45] <larsu> apstream: improve icon finding code of the appstream generator; test new stuff with gnome-software
[15:45] <larsu> also managed some progress on geonames in between

[15:45] <willcooke> :) thanks larsu
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:47] <willcooke> lag!
[15:47] <seb128> seems like a recurrent one
[15:47] <willcooke> he was here a minute ago
[15:47] <seb128> it persists through weeks :p
[15:47] <seb128> I've seen that somewhere...
[15:47] <qengho> * Reviving no-shared-object Chromium on non-32-bit, if the builder has enough RAM.
[15:47] <qengho> * Cr packaging for snapcraft2.
[15:47] <qengho> * Other small tasks: zfs-related patches (grub) and 16.04 docs. tor middle-relay snap.
[15:47] <qengho> * Away next week!
[15:48] <qengho> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks qengho, just fixed the calendar entry
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:49] <seb128> hey
[15:49] <seb128> • looked at wrong handling of day events in the indicator
[15:49] <seb128> • went to fosdem for a day
[15:49] <seb128> • catchup on things after travelling, trying to get a good idea of what's the status of the features for xenial and what we need to focus on
[15:49] <seb128> • spent some time doing administrative work (trips booking&expenses, some hr issues)
[15:49] <seb128> • looked a hidpi issues in the greeter
[15:49] <seb128> • joined several discussions about current work & next cycle

[15:49] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:50] <willcooke> seb128, that reminds me (even though it's written on a piece of paper in front of me...)
[15:50] <willcooke> desktoppers, at the end of the meeting let's have a quick Feature Freeze review
[15:50] <seb128> "discuss status of the features"? ;-)
[15:50] <desrt> seb128: we're annoyed that you didn't say goodbye :p
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Checked and discussed how to submit the printing work. Waiting for willcooke and product management about dicesion.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - LSB: Looked into Debian's dropping of the set of LSB meta packages to allow running LSB (distribution-independent) binary packages on Debian and Ubuntu, leading to OpenPrinting printer driver packages not working any more, bug 1536353, re-introduction probably best and easiest solution.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Foomatic: Thoughts about Foomatic's future. Gutenprint will remove their Foomatic/IJS driver flavor, removing the main scalability issue, will add Google Summer of Code project idea to create a way to generate a CUPS *.drv (PPD generator) file from the Foomatic data.
[15:51] <ubot5`> bug 1536353 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) "[regression] Printer drivers install is broken as lsb package is not available anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1536353
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:51] <seb128> desrt, yeah, sorry, too many people at the beer event and then you were not at breakfast and I had to leave :-/
[15:52] <seb128> trreeeviiiiinho
[15:52] <desrt> i saw him!
[15:53] <larsu> in Köln?
[15:53] <Trevinho> Oh
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Some upstream work for libwnck
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Work with kylin for some tunings
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Reviews, reviews, reviews (compiz, unity)...
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Attended FOSDEM
[15:53] <Trevinho> 
[15:53] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic Status of features ahead of feature freeze
[15:54] <willcooke> So we had a bit of a Gnome Software meeting yesterday to check on the status of the components
[15:54] <willcooke> it's looking close, but things are moving
[15:55] <willcooke> but, seb128 you have some concerns about others things which depend on pk1.0
[15:55] <seb128> well, it just that nobody seems to really own that landing
[15:56] <seb128> and I'm unsure how much testing we got from the different pieces
[15:56] <seb128> like if removing aptdaemon is going to be smooth and work
[15:57] <seb128> or if we are going to notice that britney hits n regressions and things get stucked until somebody fix language-selector or some kde app
[15:57] <willcooke> is a sensible next step to send an email to the desktop mailing list?
[15:58] <seb128> I'm not sure it's going to help
[15:58] <seb128> we need somebody to own that landing, who go ahead with the update and file the aptdaemon removal and deals with britney issues and bugs
[15:59] <willcooke> who can deal with that?  volunteers please
[16:00] <willcooke> seb128, would Robert be a suitable person?
[16:00] <seb128> if we wants to do it
[16:01] <seb128> he set up a ppa and did part of the job but he seems busy dealing with actual coding on g-s
[16:01] <seb128> anyway I guess there is no point blocking the meeting on that
[16:02] <willcooke> alright, I wil speak to Robert and let you know
[16:02] <seb128> thanks
[16:03] <willcooke> alright, next week then please everyone come with a list of the features you want to land in to 16.04 and the current status
[16:03] <willcooke> I will send out an email to remind you all next Monday
[16:03] <willcooke> qengho, you're off, but I think we're clear there anyway
[16:04] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[16:04] <willcooke> Please book your sprint travel
[16:04] <larsu> will do!
[16:04] <willcooke> :D
[16:04] <attente> lol
[16:05] <willcooke> oki, tough meeting this week gang
[16:05] <attente> were there any really interesting talks at fosdem?
[16:05] <larsu> attente: not really. Fosdem's mostly about meeting the people
[16:06] <Laney> oh yeah
[16:06] <larsu> I, for example, met Laney
[16:06] <Laney> but we should all demand that companies don't claim copyright on our code done in work time
[16:06] <Laney> that is one thing I learned at fosdem
[16:06] <Laney> so go forth and do that
[16:06] <larsu> isn't this what every company does
[16:06] <seb128> trooooll day
[16:07] <larsu> attente: sabdfl was there and gave a lightning talk, but I didn't make it there
[16:07] <willcooke> let's end the meeting, but please carry on re FOSDEM
[16:07] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb  2 16:07:31 2016 UTC.
[16:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-02-15.31.moin.txt
[16:07] <seb128> thanks everyone
[16:07] <attente> ok, thanks
[16:08] <larsu> thanks
[16:08] <seb128> willcooke, do we have a list of the features we had planned for the cycle somewhere? we have the blueprint from the sprint but I don't think it's complete?
[16:09] <willcooke> seb128, let me check the BP, it should be up to date
[16:10] <seb128> willcooke, well, that blueprint doesn't have gnome-software mentioned for example
[16:11] <seb128> nor updating libreoffice to 5.1
[16:11] <willcooke> That's (supposed to be) covered by [robert-ancell] Software Centre (moving up the list as we will have some required actions from BUD): TODO
[16:11] <Trevinho> seb128: what do you think about doing https://code.launchpad.net/~jplacerda/zeitgeist/vacuum ? I think it would really help with unity-files-lens slowdowns....
[16:11] <seb128> Trevinho, what is "vacuum" doing?
[16:12] <Trevinho> seb128: cleaning up the DB, compressing stuff...
[16:12] <seb128> Trevinho, how long does that take?
[16:12] <Trevinho> seb128: https://sqlite.org/lang_vacuum.html
[16:12] <seb128> unsure if every time is best, but why not
[16:12] <Trevinho> seb128: I didn't try that on mine....
[16:13] <seb128> there is an auto-vacuum
[16:13] <seb128> maybe the daemon should do that
[16:13] <Trevinho> yeah, in fact having that enabled would be the best
[16:13] <seb128> rather than having us to explicitly do it?
[16:16] <Trevinho> I would like to enable that, yeah...
[16:16] <Trevinho> As for timing, a couple of seconds in my 100mb activity.sqlite file
[16:17] <seb128> cool
[16:19] <Trevinho> seb128: however.... See that doc, autovacuum and vacuum commands are different...
[16:20] <Trevinho> «Auto-vacuum does not defragment the database nor repack individual database pages the way that the VACUUM command does»
[16:21] <Trevinho> « In fact, because it moves pages around within the file, auto-vacuum can actually make fragmentation worse.»
[16:23] <Trevinho> So... Maybe having somehting like a "cron job", no idea whether timed events have ever landed to upstart.
[16:23] <seb128> that seems a bit hackish
[16:23] <seb128> maybe doing it on every start is fine
[16:24] <Trevinho> Yeah, but maybe with some sleep to ensure it happens on "idle"?
[16:24] <ogra_> have a look at /etc/init.d/ondemand ;)
[16:24] <ogra_> it does such stuff
[17:01] <shookees> Hello, I have a question regarding ssh tunneling
[17:01] <seb128> attente, hey, would you be interested by looking at bug #1434094?
[17:01] <ubot5`> bug 1434094 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "indicator menus are misplaced when the display scaler is used" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434094
[17:01] <shookees> oops, sorry, wrong channel
[17:01] <seb128> shookees, hey, you are not on the right channel, ssh and tunnels are not really desktopish
[17:01] <seb128> no worry!
[17:06] <seb128> tedg, I'm still unsure to understand your suggestion of what needs to happen there, what is currently doing the menu popup? seems to not be in libindicator nor the greeter code...
[17:06] <tedg> seb128: I think that it is GTK itself. We're telling GTK that it's a menu, and the indicator is a submenu of that one.
[17:07] <tedg> seb128: So I think the "place submenu" code in GTK is what is being called.
[17:07] <seb128> but why would that be wrong in the greeter, it works on other environments
[17:08] <tedg> I don't think that's how unity-panel-service does things. It renders the icons itself, and then uses GTK to show the menu with custom placement.
[17:09] <tedg> I'm unsure why the GTK code would be wrong, I'd expect it to work as it does in apps, but I think that's where the placement code *is*.
[17:09] <seb128> right, that was my points
[17:09] <seb128> applications just use gtk and have menubars
[17:09] <seb128> and that works
[17:09] <seb128> I guess it needs debugging then
[17:09] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[17:10] <seb128> I'm going to see if attente wants to have a look
[17:10] <seb128> he's hacking on gtk and menu placement for a while so would probably be a good fit for him
[17:10]  * tedg says sorry to attente, I didn't know
[17:10] <tedg> :-)
[17:11] <seb128> heh
[17:12] <seb128> didrocks, sorry, I didn't have time to look again at that n-m issue, did you try to install dbgsym packages to see if the bt is better than the retracing? the current bt is a bit confusing
[17:13] <seb128> cyphermox, you don't have an idea about bug #1540153 by any chance? (didrocks hits it on xenial when trying to use the citizenM wifi)
[17:13] <ubot5`> Error: Launchpad bug 1540153 could not be found
[17:15] <cyphermox> is didrocks really upgrading network-manager libnm-util2 libnm-glib4 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 ?
[17:15] <cyphermox> as you pointed out that commit sounds like it should fix things. it's the first time I hear about this
[17:17] <cyphermox> oh, wait a second
[17:17] <seb128> cyphermox, didrocks, hum, the rh bug has an user who still had an issue but different (hitting an assert then) and http://cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager/commit/?h=nm-1-0&id=e0e043ef3918de54f8d19a3af07d3367962970e5 resolved it
[17:17] <seb128> didrocks, ^ could you try that as well?
[17:26] <alexarnaud> seb128:
[17:27] <alexarnaud> sorry
[17:27] <seb128> ?
[17:27] <alexarnaud> I'm trying to get the source of pkgbinarymangler on launchpad
[17:27] <alexarnaud> seb128: error of manipulation
[17:28] <alexarnaud> Where to find it ?
[17:28] <seb128> alexarnaud, https://launchpad.net/pkgbinarymangler
[17:28] <alexarnaud> I'm trying the trunk, it's marked at "DEPRECATED" and the link inside it is wrong
[17:28] <seb128> the source is the ubuntu package one
[17:29] <alexarnaud> seb128: the ubuntu package ?
[17:30] <alexarnaud> If I try :  "bzr branch lp:pkgbinarymangler"
[17:30] <seb128> no
[17:30] <alexarnaud> I get nothing
[17:30] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgbinarymangler
[17:30] <seb128> dget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/pkgbinarymangler_129.dsc
[17:31] <alexarnaud> seb128: no VCS exists?
[17:31] <alexarnaud> thanks
[18:01] <attente> seb128: tedg: sure, i'll take a look
[18:07] <seb128> attente, thanks
[18:14] <andyrock> seb128: do you know if app-install-data pkg is going to be used once g-s transition is done?
[18:22] <seb128> andyrock, unsure, that's a question for Laney rather, I would guess that no
[18:22] <attente> seb128, tedg, what exactly is the bug there? the menus seem to be positioned properly for me in unity-greeter @2x
[18:22] <seb128> attente, do you have a dual screen?
[18:22] <andyrock> mmm ok... wondering if there is something similar for gnome-software
[18:23] <seb128> andyrock, the server Laney is working on? unsure about a local db
[18:23] <attente> seb128: yes
[18:23] <seb128> attente, try with only one, for some reason it seems to work on dual screens
[18:23] <attente> ok
[18:24] <seb128> I though it stopped happening earlier until I closed my laptop lid
[18:24] <seb128> and it started doing it again once I was on external display only
[18:25] <seb128> attente, btw unsure how you test it but I did a mv unity-greeter unity-greeter.real and made unity-greeter a sh script that does export GDK_SCALE=2 and then start unity-greeter.real
[18:25] <seb128> that makes easy to test even on lowdpi config
[18:26] <attente> seb128: yeah, i can reproduce it on just one screen now, thanks
[18:26] <seb128> attente, great, thanks for looking at it
[18:27] <seb128> the fact that it works on dual screen puzzles me even more
[18:27] <attente> that is pretty puzzling
[18:43] <didrocks> seb128: I'll try this
[18:43] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, I'm uprading everything
[18:43] <didrocks> seb128: hum, they did revert that one, didn't they?
[18:44] <seb128> didrocks, oh, they did? :-(
[18:44] <seb128> didrocks, can you check at least if you still get a segfault and if the bt is still the same?
[18:44] <didrocks> few commits after
[18:44] <didrocks> yeah, will do (tonight)
[18:45] <seb128> did they commit another fix instead?
[18:45] <didrocks> no, just revert, but I did check only quickly
[18:45] <seb128> I'm going to have another look tomorrow
[18:45] <seb128> if you can look at least if the error is still the same that would be useful
[18:51] <didrocks> yeah,; will do!
[18:51] <seb128> 'ci
[19:38] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[19:39] <willcooke> we meet again
[19:39] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[19:39] <willcooke> how's it going?
[19:39] <robert_ancell> willcooke, good
[21:24] <willcooke> night all
[21:38] <rickspencer3> hi all
[21:38] <rickspencer3> someone mentions that only us old guys use xchat-gnome these days and that there is some newer one that I should use
[21:38] <rickspencer3> I'm setting up a new laptop, thought I would start with the good one
[21:38] <rickspencer3> anyone know?
[21:42]  * pitti mumbles "weechat" :)
[21:42] <mdeslaur> rickspencer3: there's hexchat, but that's gtk2
[21:42]  * mdeslaur uses xchat-gnome
[21:44] <rickspencer3> hey mdeslaur
[21:44] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[21:44] <rickspencer3> maybe it was hexchat
[21:45] <rickspencer3> weechat?
[21:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: it's curses, not graphical; I find it awesome (particualrly the vertical splits), but you might find it a bit arcane
[21:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/photos/pitti-virtual-desktop.png is from like 2006, but this is still by and large my layout
[21:46] <rickspencer3> "arcane" does not sound like a strong recommendation ;)
[21:46]  * rickspencer3 looks
[21:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: heh, and look who I was talking to at that time :)
[21:47] <rickspencer3> wow
[21:47] <mdeslaur> so many awful clients to choose from, which one to pick?
[21:47] <rickspencer3> that is old school :)
[21:47] <rickspencer3> mdeslaur, dang it, don't try to get me to write an irc client
[21:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: I haven't yet found another client with the same efficiency..
[21:48] <pitti> it's dense, with horizontal splits I can follow three things, and the keyboard commands are awesome
[21:48] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[21:48] <pitti> like Ctrl+G iterates through the channels in descending order
[21:48] <rickspencer3> looks like a bit of learning curve
[21:48] <pitti> first through the ones you got pinged on, then through the ones that have new messages, and finally back to where you came from
[21:48] <pitti> rickspencer3: yeah, it surely is if you never used irssi and friends
[21:49] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, speaking of the "good old days" ...
[21:49] <rickspencer3> I bought a new computer today, just a random desktop
[21:49] <rickspencer3> and am running Xenial
[21:49] <rickspencer3> I am getting random screen freezes
[21:49] <rickspencer3> it's like Jaunty all over again!
[21:49] <pitti> ugh, I didn't get one in the last years (literally)
[21:50] <rickspencer3> well, I am on the tip of development on a brand new computer that it not certified in any way
[21:52]  * rickspencer3 gives hexchat a try
[21:53] <rickspencer3> hello from hexchat :)
[22:12] <pitti> ¿noʎ ǝɹɐ ʍoɥ 'ollǝɥ :Ɛɹǝɔuǝdsʞɔᴉɹ


[00:33] <cj> o/
[00:33] <cj> oh, wait.  I just said that :)
[00:33] <cj> \o
[01:48] <valorie> lol
[01:49]  * valorie shares the homemade soup around the channel
[01:54] <cj> nice!
[01:58] <Salt> does it fix bones?
[02:16] <valorie> what's wrong with your bones?
[02:16] <valorie> the broth is made from bones, so yes
[02:17] <valorie> it'll fix 'em all up
[02:17] <valorie> the best thing is that I discovered some dried mushrooms
[02:17] <valorie> OMG it was the best soup evar
[02:40] <Salt> eww mushrooms
[03:18]  * valorie picks them out from Salt's bowl and eats them herself!


[12:53] <hazmat> what's the state of bzr colocation support in core?
[12:55] <hazmat> from the rel notes it would appears its in 2.5
[13:27] <jelmer> hazmat: there is basic support for it in 2.5
[13:27] <jelmer> hazmat: it's not yet really polished, and we haven't really advertised it for that reason
[15:23] <hazmat> jelmer, thanks
[18:14] <Pikkachu> how to deactivate and how to change location of bazaar log instead?
[23:47] <Pikkachu> how to deactivate or how to change location of bazaar log?