[14:45] <Benemy> Im running 14.04 with 2 hdds. I installed to my 360gb hdd and i can confirm that the boot files on on the root of it. My problem is that without my 250gb hdd aslo in it wont boot. Ive tried different hdds together with the 360gb one and nothing. The weird thing is i formated the 250gb hdd but it still has to be present to boot.
[14:45] <cfhowlett> !encryption > Benemy
[14:46] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, JACK says I have 2 system:playbacks, and 2 system:captures, so I should at least have stereo playback in my ALSA mixer.
[14:46] <dav1dp0101> But it only shows a mono playback.
[14:47] <wheatthin> Benemy, It sounds like you need to update grub. Make sure only one hard drive has marked bootable partitions with parted -l
[14:48] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 Do you think I should set up JACK as my default input/output ports in my asoundrc config file? http://alsa.opensrc.org/Jack_%28plugin%29
[14:48] <SCHAAP137> yes
[14:49] <SCHAAP137> dav1dp0101, that is what my earlier URL described
[14:49] <SCHAAP137> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=171729
[14:49] <SCHAAP137> also here, seems like the same issue
[14:49] <Benemy> its saying my 250 is boot flaged but the one i installed to isnt. could i switch the flags with gparted?
[14:49] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 but it says that I would do that in order to use ALSA programs (like aplay) and have them routed through Jack. I don't need to do that because i'm not using ALSA programs.
[14:50] <SCHAAP137> well, i think it's like kind of "sink"
[14:50] <DrofoShaggins> If I were to create a USB with persistence, then install things like Chrome and Truecrypt, to include their respective PPAs, then shut it down and use dd to turn it back into an ISO file, would it work when burned to DVD?
[14:50] <SCHAAP137> any application that is not capable of talking to JACK directly, will talk to ALSA
[14:50] <SCHAAP137> which feeds it to JACK
[14:51] <SCHAAP137> if you only use jack, i would try setting JACK as default ALSA input/output like described on that page
[14:51] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, ok, gotcha. Yeah your last link above seems to think that I should do as described: rewrite asoundrc to default to JACK. Also ALSA has a JACK plugin, I should check that it's installed.
[14:52] <SCHAAP137> it seems like a logical fix, and there is not much that can break
[14:52] <SCHAAP137> cool, curious for the result
[14:53] <linuxboobiz> hello people.. i have setup a new server. and i have installed xrdp on it. however whenever i try to connect to it i get a grey screen for normal users. when i login as root xfce4 works fine.. works only for root :\
[14:53] <linuxboobiz> i tried making a new .xsession in /home/myuser but it doesnt work.
[14:53] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137 ok I'll get to it and let you know the results.
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> linuxboobiz  there's also #ubuntu-server
[14:53] <linuxboobiz> ok. idk that
[14:53] <cfhowlett> !server | linuxboobiz
[14:57] <Benemy> thanx people. Ima try switching the boot flag around and see what happens.
[15:02] <LarsN> can someone point out what it is I'm doing wrong here?
[15:02] <LarsN> lars@lynskee:~$ sudo route add -net $PublicAddress netmask <IP_ADDRESS> gw $VPNGateway dev vpn0
[15:02] <LarsN> SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[15:03] <LarsN> I can ping the VPNGateway address,  So I don't believe it's that network that's unreachable.
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> LarsN  first on my mind: the remote machine must allow to be reached or controlled by another computer, that's a setting somewhere
[15:07] <MonkeyDust> LarsN  is it a linux - linux connection?
[15:07] <LarsN> MonkeyDust: why would that be the case?  I'm just trying to adjust my local routing table.
[15:07] <kilonux> cfhowlett:  example: trying to open bluetooth-settings (i have the icon up right corner) , or the system-settings in the application-menu, never leads anywhere
[15:08] <dav1dp0101> Does anyone know if there is a supported package on Aptitude called 'alsa-plugins'? I see it on launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins but when I try to 'sudo apt-get install alsa-plugins' I get E: Unable to locate package alsa-plugins. I'm running ubuntu-server 14.04LTS.
[15:08] <LarsN> Effectively tere's a host on the internet that white lists access.  Our office is on the whitelist,  so I'm just trying to pipe access to that host through our office VPN
[15:09] <LarsN> MonkeyDust: ^
[15:09] <AdAMIM> hello ladies
[15:09] <theguy415> How to create a time based wallpaper (like the defaul installed one) in ubuntu?
[15:09] <kilonux> cfhowlett:  and every startup gives error messages
[15:09] <kilonux> ---system start up
[15:10] <kilonux> or wake from suspend
[15:10] <LarsN> MonkeyDust: but to answer your question, the remote machine isn't one I control, it is however running linux.
[15:11] <hw> hi, i was wondering why the openvpn package doesn't come with an upstart script?
[15:12] <netlar> I remember in 13.04 that you could do a Unity search on appication menus, can you still do that?
[15:14] <wheatthin> hw, are you sure that it didn't? Or that you possibly hadn't enabled it?
[15:14] <hw> wheatthin: what i meant is that it comes with a shell script in /etc/init.d/openvpn but not an upstart script in /etc/init/openvpn
[15:15] <hw> i was wondering if the process would be restarted automatically in case the vpn connection dropped (like upstart would do)
[15:15] <wheatthin> hw, maybe it has to wait until other hardware is initialized
[15:16] <frib> does ubuntu 14 properly utilize the speed switching feature (low speed vs. turbo speed) of 4th generation intel cpus?
[15:16] <wheatthin> frib, I would think so with acpi functions.
[15:17] <frib> wheatthin, is there a way to verify? my laptop is constantly burning up
[15:18] <wheatthin> frib, I think this might do it   cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "MHz"
[15:18] <wheatthin> if the frequency varies, it's switching
[15:19] <Blackthorn> I run older windows 2003 server and simply can not afford to upgrade to another windows platform. I have loaded a few *nix versions here and there. And I've narrowed it down to Ubuntu server or perhaps centos. For my first install I want to add the dns and radius services. How secure is the ubuntu server after a clean install?
[15:21] <wheatthin> frib, sudo dmidecode -t processor | grep Speed
[15:21] <Blackthorn> And do you know if you can run ubuntu server on Citrix Xen server 6.2.0
[15:21] <wheatthin> frib, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8115047/
[15:22] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, you'll have to compare your chipset with the HWCL
[15:24] <Blackthorn> each of my servers run 3-4 win server 2003, and i'm using asus p5vb-c motherboards and intel xeon processors
[15:25] <_shrine> why win server?
[15:25] <cfhowlett> !server | Blackthorn,
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> Blackthorn  sure you're in the right channel? this is for ubuntu
[15:25] <_shrine> ^^
[15:26] <wheatthin> that's why he's asking if Ubuntu can run on them.. I told him to check the hardware compadibility checklist
[15:27] <Blackthorn> Yes, i was trying to explain what I am running, and I'm wanting to repalce my win server 2003 servers that are running on top of citirx xen server with ubuntu server edition
[15:27] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, most likely, Yes.
[15:27] <frib> wheatthin, it says the max is 2400 Mhz as well as the current
[15:27] <frib> wheatthin, as I expected
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> Blackthorn  ok, type /j #ubuntu-server and ask there
[15:27] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, I'm running dual quad xeon server that was supposed to be for win 2003 server.
[15:28] <Blackthorn> thanks for the link monkey.
[15:29] <wheatthin> frib, yeah my cpu's are 2.66ghz, so the 2600mhz is at full speed. Boost is 5000? I dunno about that, but I think that might be complete maximum voltage before utter destruction.. I could be wrong :P
[15:30] <Blackthorn> and the suggestions from everyone else
[15:30] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, Nope.. just check your chipsets, and make sure.
[15:30] <frib>  wheatthin well my cpu I know is not supposed to run at 2.4ghz always
[15:30] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, More than likely, Ubuntu will run just great.
[15:31] <wheatthin> frib, and why wouldn't it? Isn't boost supposed throttle up from normal?
[15:31] <frib> wheatthin, yes when under heavy load, not always
[15:32] <wheatthin> frib, right.. normal being 2.4ghz
[15:32] <dyy> exit
[15:32] <frib> wheatthin, oh wait.. my cpu max speed is actually supposed to be 3.5 now that i think about it
[15:32] <wheatthin> see :)
[15:33] <dw1> frib: install indicator-cpufreq and it will scale down when not in use ?
[15:33] <Blackthorn> i'm having a little difficutly finding where to check the chipsets.. i went to the ubuntu website clicked on hardware. my chipsets are intel bigvy-v (intell 3200 memory controler) and southbridge is intel ich7r
[15:33] <wheatthin> yes, it should scale down to normal from the boost, back down to 2.4ghz
[15:34] <wheatthin> Blackthorn, you should be fine man.. if you have any doubts, try booting a livedvd
[15:34] <Blackthorn> kk
[15:34] <BigMike-`> is this a genuine ubuntu main repo??   http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/f/file-roller/
[15:34] <frib> dw1, i just realized its not running at max speed
[15:35] <frib> dw1, but now i also realize that it won't turbo boost when needed if it thinks this is max speed as according to dmidecode -t processor
[15:35] <dw1> BigMike-`: it would appear to be a mirror
[15:35] <frib> my cpu: http://ark.intel.com/products/75117/Intel-Core-i7-4700MQ-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_40-GHz
[15:35] <poutch__> bonjour
[15:35] <dw1> frib: im lost, i dont overclock :p
[15:35] <BigMike-`> dw1:  Ah....So, apt-get  won't use that repo ?
[15:36] <frib> dw1, me neither i think this is a new feature from intel
[15:36] <wheatthin> dw1, his chipset overclocks on demand
[15:36] <dw1> BigMike-`: dont know, it might smartly choose a good mirror for you
[15:41] <wheatthin> is that possible that my xeon processors could go up to 5000mhz/5Ghz with the right cooling?
[15:42] <wheatthin> 	Max Speed: 5000 MHz
[15:42] <wheatthin> 	Current Speed: 2660 MHz
[15:43] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I followed the instructions here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=171729 And I get the following error when I try to run jackd: ALSA: Cannot open PCM device alsa_pcm for playback. Falling back to capture-only mode
[15:43] <dav1dp0101> And: cannot load driver module alsa
[15:45] <wheatthin> frib, sudo watch -n 1  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[15:47] <wheatthin> hmm.. my xeons idle with 2Ghz, and then throttles up to 2.66
[15:48] <frib> mine is saying 800k constantly and rarely jumping up to 2.x
[15:48] <wheatthin> nice :)
[15:48] <wheatthin> frib, now do something like a compile and see it throttle
[15:49] <wheatthin> frib, I'm running blender 3d in an animation player, so it throttles a lil on each core randomly
[15:50] <SCHAAP137> ok dav1dp0101, then i don't rly know, i would suggesting to revert the changes to ~/.asoundrc
[15:50] <SCHAAP137> to restore the earlier setup
[15:50] <SCHAAP137> and work again from there
[15:50] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, yes, I've done that and I'm continuing to troubleshoot. I'm not sure what to do next.
[15:51] <SCHAAP137> mhm, me neither, not yet at least
[15:53] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, ok, well let me know if you think of something. I'm gonna take a break and mull it over.
[15:53] <frib> wheatthin, i actually don't have time to tinker with all of this but as long as i know i'm not over-using the cpu then it's fine
[15:56] <anarkhos> what's the correct way of using the xforcevesa boot code? just "xforcevesa" or "xforcevesa=xforcevesa"? ive seen both suggested. also, should i add the "nomodeset" option as well?
[15:59] <wheatthin> frib, well on your own time :) of course for curiosity sake
[15:59] <wheatthin> lol
[16:02] <LinuxTim> Needing help with xubuntu
[16:02] <compdoc> one can only ask
[16:03] <LinuxTim> how do you move the xubuntu xfce panel to the bottom
[16:03] <kilonux> hello I run : gnome-control-center and get : bus error ( core dumped)  any advice?
[16:04] <somsip> :q!
[16:04] <zerowaitstate> is there a tool in linux that shows a clear breakdown of memory usage of process trees on the machine? i've used htop, but the memory statistics it shows are not aggregated
[16:08] <emma> hi
[16:08] <_shrine> dat emma
[16:08] <emma> i search help for install sound card,
[16:09] <_shrine> what is the issue?
[16:10] <emma> i have try to read and type the process to install it but no result
[16:10] <emma> its the sound card tascam us 122
[16:10] <emma> the old
[16:10] <kilonux> somsip: what does "q!" mean?
[16:12] <zerowaitstate> kilonux: he was in the wrong window :) That's the command to stop vim
[16:13] <MonkeyDust> :q! means quit and overwrite :)
[16:13] <_shrine> I always wq
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: I thought :q!   was force quit, you need to add 'w' to write
[16:14] <_shrine> lol
[16:15] <Guest82581> hey can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[16:15] <emma> hi
[16:15] <ActionParsnip> Guest82581: probably better in #linux
[16:18] <anarkhos> are you able to find pm-quirks in the repositories?
[16:19] <Guest82581> hey can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[16:20] <frib> can anyone recommend a DE that consumes little power?
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip  you're 'write'
[16:21] <MonkeyDust> frib  i use lxde in this virtual machine, it's alot faster than unity... or is that not what you mean
[16:22] <frib> MonkeyDust, i'm trying to improve battery life
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: ba-dum!
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> frib: why use a DE at all? Just use Openbox or Fluxbox as standalone WM and ditch the DE :)
[16:23] <frib> ActionParsnip, I don't know what those are
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> frib: install fluxbox, log off and log in to the fluxbox session
[16:23] <frib> ok, i can leave my DE intact if i don't like it anyway right
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> frib: you can just log off and log back on to the session you are on nowq
[16:24] <frib> 4.0 ms/s     126.1        Process        cinnamon --replace <---- this seems to be consuming most of my battery, along iwth firefox
[16:24] <ActionParsnip> frib: you use right click to access apps, super light :)
[16:24] <eeee> frib: try enlightenment, it's very quick
[16:25] <frib> ActionParsnip, cool i'm going to relog right now
[16:25] <frib> eeee, first i'll try fluxbox thx
[16:26] <Guest82581> hey can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> Guest82581: ask in #linux
[16:28] <frib> is there any way i can have  likea a  quick launch bar in this fluxbox?
[16:30] <frib> i can't even open a terminal or find firefox :\
[16:32] <frib> how do you change volume / see battery life in fluxbox?
[16:35] <vominh> try to typing
[16:43] <Amis> Hello! I have two Ubuntu 12.04 LTS machines, one at home and one at work. The home computer is accessible from anywhere on the internet however my work computer is not. Currently I can fiddle on my work computer with Teamviewer but is it possible to open up a ssh connection to my home computer then reverse?
[16:43] <Amis> reverse it*
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> Amis  you can use Remmina, but make sure both pc's are 'visible', that's a setting you have to un/check
[16:45] <SchrodingersScat> Amis: I think what you described is fine, look up reverse tunnels, man ssh
[16:46] <Amis> MonkeyDust, I can reverse Remmina once the connection is established?
[16:47] <MonkeyDust> Amis  lemme try, i use it for my VM
[16:47] <Amis> SchrodingersScat, I'm doing that right now but making sure if there is any bumps that could permanently disble my teamviewer connection for the weekend
[16:47] <Amis> there are*
[16:48] <MonkeyDust> Amis  just ssh? that can be done from the terminal
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> Amis  reverse ssh doesnt sem to work
[16:50] <Amis> I may have missed one key element: I'm trying to forward the X aswell
[16:52] <MonkeyDust> Amis  ok, ssh works, now trying -X
[16:53] <MonkeyDust> Amis  Cannot open display, even after DISPLAY=:0.0
[16:54] <annoymouse> I'm back
[16:55] <annoymouse> Which should I pick for the bootloader installation (https://i.imgur.com/J2JVfLp.jpg)?
[16:56] <annoymouse> Shit... Didn't mean for the )? To be a part of the link
[16:56] <annoymouse> Whoops sorry for the cursing (again)
[16:56] <k1l> annoymouse: bootloader got to sit in the first drive that is booted
[16:57] <k1l> or do you want a intsall on the usb drive?
[16:57] <annoymouse> k1l: so same as /?
[16:57] <annoymouse> On the USB drive
[16:57] <hamiltont> on 14.04, how can I force the MOTD to be regenerated?
[16:57] <hamiltont> I've update the /etc/update-motd.d scripts, but it's been 5 minutes and I still see the same message
[16:57] <k1l> annoymouse: then choose the usb
[16:58] <k1l> annoymouse: and then choose the usb in the pc-boot order or list to be booted to boot up ubuntu
[16:58] <annoymouse> The device, or the root partition?
[16:58] <k1l> device. bootloader got to be sit in the MBR
[17:01] <annoymouse> Thanks k1l
[17:02] <Ziber> What's the proper way to mount an nfs share on ubuntu?
[17:03] <Amis> I think I found a bit of an insane workaround
[17:04] <Amis> I install a VPN server on my home comp then connect to that from my work comp. That way I have a direct connection to my work computer with whatever port forwards I want
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> Amis: why not use an SSH tunnel, little easier
[17:08] <Delta706> I would like to know if ubuntu supports all usb microphones
[17:09] <tomodachi> ms cd -
[17:09] <o11c> Hi, I just tried to download Ubuntu, and I got a 403 error
[17:10] <o11c> http://ubuntu.mirrors.pair.com/releases/14.04.1/ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:10] <yourfunworld> I love the new Ubuntu desktop
[17:10] <o11c> (I did manage to find a working download, just thought you should know)
[17:10] <wafflejock> o11c: yeah mirror is probably down
[17:11] <yourfunworld> hi o11c
[17:11] <Ziber> I've got a virtual nas appliance running, but I can't seem to mount it to an ubuntu server... any thoughts?
[17:11] <ActionParsnip> o1try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/trusty/daily-live/current/
[17:11] <Adam_ActiveState> anyone have links to videos from linux conf in chicago?
[17:11] <wafflejock> Delta706: http://www.sal.ksu.edu/faculty/tim/linux_mics.html
[17:11] <Adam_ActiveState> at least the keynote?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: how have you tried to mount it?
[17:12] <wafflejock> Adam_ActiveState: no I'm in Chicago but totally spaced the conference
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: what technology does the NAS use to share the storage with?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: can you ping the NAS?
[17:12] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: detaiils......
[17:12] <Ziber> ActionParsnip: mount <ip>:/path/to/share, mount -t nfs <ip>, a few others
[17:12] <At00mic> How do I cloak in my account? I need to ask a person of the staff?
[17:12] <Ziber> I can ping the share
[17:13] <Ziber> It's using nfs.
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#Mounts
[17:13] <wafflejock> Adam_ActiveState: also looks like they had live streams of the keynotes so perhaps they'll post the recordings soon http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-north-america/program/live-video-stream
[17:13] <trism> At00mic: ask in #freenode
[17:14] <Adam_ActiveState> wafflejock: nothing yet though, eh?
[17:14] <At00mic> ok thank you
[17:14] <Adam_ActiveState> youtube search it is then...
[17:14] <wafflejock> Adam_ActiveState: nope didn't see anything
[17:14] <Ziber> getting "wrong fs, bad superblock..." error.
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: have you fsck'd the data?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: you may need to use a different superblock
[17:15] <Ziber> well, i'm doing this all via openfiler, i thought it would've set it up however I needed automatically.
[17:16] <Ziber> on the appliance itself, it's mounted.
[17:16] <ActionParsnip> Ziber: you will need to unmount it and fsck it, sounds like the data isnt healthy
[17:16] <Delta706> thanks wafflejock
[17:17] <Ziber> hm
[17:17] <wafflejock> Delta706: yeah basically just YMMV will have to search around a bit once you find one you think you want
[17:19] <Delta706> wafflejock: my interest is in a USB adapter since I am getting a hum when recording which might be due to interference
[17:19] <wafflejock> Delta706: yeah definitely I've done some recording and my internal stuff gets lots of system noise
[17:20] <wafflejock> Delta706: I've considered a USB mic too since currently I just have a cheap headset and want to do tutorial videos
[17:20] <wafflejock> Delta706: but so far haven't bought one yet
[17:20] <trink> best soccer tips http://tinyurl.com/p5bpscx
[17:20] <Delta706> if I post the mp3, could you listen to it, to see if it is interference
[17:21] <wafflejock> Delta706: I used Adobe Audition to clean up the audio in my case but it still didn't come out great and was tedious... I'll take a listen and can tell you what I think, not a sound engineer by any means though
[17:21] <Delta706> I used audacity and it cleaned it up nicely but I need a live solution
[17:22] <wafflejock> Delta706: I actually didn't try with audacity, Audition is good my original capture was just very rough and didn't realize it until I had recorded everything (wasn't using a headset to test the audio)
[17:23] <Delta706> just let me post the audio, then I will come back with a download link
[17:23] <wafflejock> cool
[17:27] <priuon> hello. why would ubuntu actually read and write date when moving it within the same partition?
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> priuon: what is "it"?
[17:29] <priuon> ActionParsnip: the data
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> priuon: your question has no context, so has no meaning
[17:29] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Files
[17:29] <ActionParsnip> priuon: what files?
[17:30] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I am copying 70GB of files from one folder to another where both folders are on the same partition of the same physical harddrive.
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> priuon: ok, much better
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> priuon: so are you asking if the creatin dates get updated?
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> *creation
[17:30] <priuon> ActionParsnip: thunar as well as mc actually read the files and apparently write it to another place on the partition. This is a sever failure in procedure.
[17:31] <Delta706> wafflejock: go to https://www.sendthisfile.com/hhNce1Wd8liVL7CeW87k2U1y and click on xx.mp3 to download it
[17:31] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I am asking why ubuntu fails to conform to simple filesystem operation principles.
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> priuon: ext4 is standardized and ubuntu obeys them
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> priuon: if you feel somethig is amiss, you can always report a bug
[17:31] <RobbieCrash> you're copying data, not moving. Of course it reads and writes it.
[17:32] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Do you say that this is defined as such with the ext4 fs?
[17:32] <priuon> RobbieCrash: I am moving
[17:32] <omario> hello
[17:32] <priuon> RobbieCrash: sorry that was a typo above
[17:32] <ActionParsnip> priuon: i dont know the standard activity for ext4, but standards exist for a reason and ubuntu will follow them
[17:34] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Right. And I can't see how moving files as explained above will result in such a meaningless strain of a harddrive
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> priuon: not had an issue myself, does the same in many OSes as far as I have seen ever
[17:35] <priuon> ActionParsnip: ActionParsnip: Where can I read up on such definitions?
[17:35] <ActionParsnip> priuon: they are freely available online for all to see
[17:36] <priuon> ActionParsnip: they actually define that moving files within a partition will do such a nonsense?
[17:36] <priuon> "such nonsent"
[17:36] <ActionParsnip> priuon: its not nonsense
[17:36] <wafflejock> priuon: it has to update the inodes that have the file information like an index for the drive, ext4 is a journaling file system so it logs info about what is going to be done before it's done
[17:36] <wafflejock> priuon: windows is aweful about moving/copying files in my experience linux has been much better
[17:37] <moral_> I am trying to compile VLC 2.1.5 from source and it's complaining about "Can't read /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.la: No such file or directory" I've confirmed libxml2.la is not in that directory nor can `locate` locate it. I've removed libxml2-dev then reinstalled it. Then forced reinstalled it. Can anyone push m ein the right direction? Should I just compile libxm2 from source??
[17:37] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Why is it not nonsense? There is no upside on having this r/w operation
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> priuon: the journal is fantastic for data reliability
[17:37] <fantasma> alguem sabe algum programa para criar um boot do ubuntu no pendrive?
[17:37] <ActionParsnip> priuon: ever used SQL?
[17:37] <fantasma> que rode direto no ubuntu
[17:38] <wafflejock> Delta706: actually it kind of sounds like a ground loop problem or something the noise I typically hear from my machine (this might vary I'm not sure) sounds more high pitched and variable
[17:38] <priuon> wafflejock: yeah well updating the inodes etc is a task of seconds. I am talking about GByts of files read, written and deleted. I can just not see a reason to implement something like that.
[17:38] <priuon> ActionParsnip: yeah I have used MySQL.
[17:38] <k1l> !br | fantasma
[17:38] <fantasma> okay
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> priuon: so you will know about database log files, and how they are used and why they are sometimes more valuable than the actual database files themselves...yea
[17:39] <ActionParsnip> s?
[17:39] <priuon> ActionParsnip: honestly where is the move operation for the ext4 fs defined. And is there another fs that defines it correctly?
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> priuon: I dont have time to search the web for you, I'm sure you can do that yourself
[17:40] <wafflejock> priuon: not sure about that typically when I've moved things but they're staying on the same drive I haven't seen major performance issues at all how are you testing/extracting info would like to verify
[17:40] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I hoped you had an official source.
[17:40] <priuon> ActionParsnip: If you don't have I don't ask you to search
[17:40] <ActionParsnip> priuon: in short, the journal is making a list of all tasks completed so in the event of suddent power off, the data is not baked and you will see "replaying journal" when the drive comes back online
[17:41] <wafflejock> Delta706: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)
[17:41] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I myself just never find reliable=official sources
[17:41] <userings> It's not all about the fact that Linux file systems are journal. Linux and ext fs'es has better allocation algorithms than NTFS and Windows.
[17:41] <ActionParsnip> priuon: if you use ext2, you wont have this, the data will be much faster and you will use your drive less but a sudden power off and your data will probably be damaged
[17:42] <priuon> ActionParsnip: yeah well, that does not have anything to do with what I asked.
[17:42] <rim-k> still can't get my wifi working on ubuntu 14.04
[17:42] <rim-k> thinkpad t440s
[17:43] <rim-k> Realtek wifi
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> priuon: it does, the time taken to write the journal takes time
[17:43] <rim-k> I would appreciate any help
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: what is the output of:    sudo lshw -C network
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: us a pastebin to hold the output, like http://pastie.org
[17:43] <priuon> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu is reading writing and deleting 70GB of files for no reason.
[17:43] <ActionParsnip> priuon: how do you know?
[17:44] <priuon> ActionParsnip: updating the inodes would have sufficed. These are some 50 files or so.
[17:44] <omario> apple is good
[17:44] <priuon> ActionParsnip: because it is showing me that it does.
[17:44] <rim-k> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8115966/
[17:44] <Delta706> wafflejock: thanks for the wikipedia page.  would it indicate that my sound card is badly installed?
[17:44] <rim-k> ActionParsnip:
[17:44] <eli__> Hello
[17:44] <ActionParsnip> priuon: so you see individual files vanish as the move operation completes?
[17:45] <priuon> ActionParsnip: you don't really want to imply that Ubuntu's monitoring is fraud?
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: and the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[17:45] <omario> hey eli
[17:45] <eli__> I have a problem after upgrading to 14.04. Maybe a privileges issue? No idea...
[17:45] <rim-k> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[17:45] <priuon> ActionParship: I am not watching the fs manually.
[17:45] <ActionParsnip> priuon: is that what you are seeing though, individual files being made as they are removed from the source?
[17:45] <rim-k>  3.13.0-34-generic
[17:46] <wafflejock> Delta706: I'm not sure really it just sounds more like the "hum" I've heard from TVs in a building where there are ground loop problems, from what I've read around about it there are some things you can do to ground wires in the building that will fix it because it has to do with power that is floating in the wires or other metal that isn't properly grounded in the building
[17:46] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I see a transferrate
[17:46] <wafflejock> Delta706: I'm might be totally off though
[17:46] <moral_> I am trying to compile VLC 2.1.5 from source and it's complaining about "Can't read /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libxml2.la: No such file or directory" I've confirmed libxml2.la is not in that directory nor can `locate` locate it. I've removed libxml2-dev then reinstalled it. Then forced reinstalled it. Can anyone push m ein the right direction? Should I just compile libxm2 from source??
[17:46] <eli__> This is the first time I use this chat, after 7 years of using ubuntu. What do I have to do to get any help?
[17:46] <wafflejock> Delta706: just a guess
[17:46] <ActionParsnip> priuon: yes, but what actually happens on the drive itself?
[17:46] <priuon> ActionParsnip: my hw indicator shows hdd-access.
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: if you run:   dmesg | grep -i firm     what is output (if anything)?
[17:47] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I doubt that the datatransferrate is fraud as said above.
[17:47] <wafflejock> !ask | eli__
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> eli__  ask a question and wait, repeat your question 10-15 minutes later, all in one line
[17:47] <Delta706> wafflejock: would the ubuntuforum be the place to look for experts?
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> priuon: fine, but what is happening on the drive as the move occurs?
[17:47] <priuon> ActionParsnip: this is just a serious loss of resources. It's madness!
[17:47] <eli__> Thanks
[17:47] <ActionParsnip> priuon: how have you seen what is happening on the drive as the data is moved?
[17:47] <Guest92979> hello
[17:48] <wafflejock> Delta706: not really sure on that one ubuntuforum is good but for audio stuff there might be better places, like I recently started playing with phone systems and there are dedicated Asterisk and SIP forums so something audio specific might be good
[17:48] <wafflejock> Delta706: someone who can listen to that file and tell you more definitively what it is
[17:48] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I have not read the sources and or the definitions. So I don't know. All I know is that ubuntu is reading and writing 70GB from A to A.....
[17:48] <ActionParsnip> priuon: as far as I can see you are assuming taht because its taking longer than you would like, you are assuming taht the data is being copied, deleted then moved in some way.
[17:48] <Guest92979> i really need help with ubuntu!!! i want to format my whole HD via terminal!! don't know how....
[17:49] <Delta706> wafflejock: thanks, I will try the audacity site
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: you can use mk2fs  on an unmounted partition and it will wipe it
[17:49] <wafflejock> Delta706: do you have any alternative mics to try to reproduce to determine if it's mic related or system related? also could you use this mic on another device (perhaps a phone) those things might help narrow it down
[17:49] <Guest92979> ok
[17:49] <wafflejock> Delta706: yeah good luck
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> priuon: when really, you dont know how the file system works nder teh hood
[17:49] <eli__> Ubuntu does not mount my ereader nor any USB drive when plugging in. It says: unable to mount, not authorized (I also have other issues)
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> *the
[17:49] <priuon> ActionParsnip: obviously... updating 200 inodes won't take 20 minutes. this are some 200 maybe 64 bit values to be edited...
[17:49] <ActionParsnip> priuon: all I can suggest is report a bug
[17:50] <rim-k> [    0.189927] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
[17:50] <rim-k> [    6.039353] psmouse serio2: trackpoint: IBM TrackPoint firmware: 0x0e, buttons: 3/3
[17:50] <rim-k> ActionParsnip:
[17:50] <Delta706> wafflejock: thanks
[17:50] <Guest92979> can you give me a universal terminalcommand for formating HD
[17:50] <priuon> ActionParsnip: So if what I say is actually happening you agree that it is a bug then?
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: what file system do you want to use? There is no universal command
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> priuon: if what you say is happening then its either a bug or Ext4 is not as great as it says (in some cases)
[17:51] <Guest92979> under windows i would type : format C      what do i need to write in ubuntu?
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> priuon: considering its been the default in Ubuntu for a long time now, i'd say it was fine
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> Guest92979  boot a live cd, use gparted, delete partition
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1239578
[17:52] <Guest92979> yes, but i want to format the whole HD
[17:52] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: try:  sudo modprobe rtl8192ee     see if it loads ok?
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> Guest92979  ok, use gparted to delete all partitions, then format to what you want
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: yes, to what file system? Ext4? Ext3? ZFS?
[17:53] <eli__> !ask |eli_
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: just like in Windows, you need to specify the file system when you format
[17:53] <Guest92979> says: terminal -> gparted  and ready?
[17:53] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: the default may be NTFS, but it is still set
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: gparted is a GUI app. I though you wanted to do it in terminal?
[17:54] <MonkeyDust> Guest92979  no, boot from a live cd, you cannot format it while you're using it
[17:54] <rim-k> 10:51 < ActionParsnip> rim-k: try:  sudo modprobe rtl8192ee     see if it loads ok?
[17:54] <rim-k> I did compiled the module
[17:54] <rim-k> and loaded it
[17:54] <rim-k> but it ended up with a kernel panic
[17:54] <wafflejock> eli__: why do you think you have a permissions problem after upgrading (someone mentioned something similar yesterday and installed gdm and it fixed their problem want to know if your problem is the same but no details)
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: ah
[17:54] <rim-k> I had to blacklist it to correctly boot
[17:54] <Guest92979> can we switch to 1-1 conversation ActionParsnip, i don't exactly understand the format thing...
[17:55] <wafflejock> !details | eli__
[17:55] <eli__> wafflejock: Ubuntu does not mount my ereader nor any USB drive when plugging in. It says: unable to mount, not authorized.
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> Guest92979: format means to wipe the data from a partition
[17:55] <rim-k> ActionParsnip: that was odd
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: that does sound similar
[17:55] <priuon> ActionParsnip: While porting to linux I also lost valuable revision data (all files are the same now). I still pity that case. There was some unanalysed scientific data in one version that is lost now.
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: they said couldn't mount, couldn't adjust wifi couldn't adjust users
[17:55] <eli__> wafflejock: also, I can't install from software center
[17:55] <ActionParsnip> priuon: break out the backups
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: we tried checking the /etc/sudoers file and user groups but nothing was working
[17:55] <eli__> wafflejock: also, I can't fix user advanced settings
[17:55] <wafflejock> eli__: pretty sure the person installed gdm and it fixed it
[17:56] <priuon> ActionParsnip: I think the data didn't have a backup...
[17:56] <wafflejock> eli__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/152256/how-do-i-switch-from-lightdm-to-gdm
[17:56] <ActionParsnip> priuon: cant be that important then....
[17:56] <wafflejock> eli__: you might want to install from the command line since software center isn't working out for ya either it sounds like
[17:57] <eli__> wafflejock: thanks, I'm going to try it right now, let's see if it works
[17:57] <wafflejock> eli__: k good luck
[17:57] <priuon> ActionParsnip: funny. Well not as important as the finished results. no...
[17:58] <wafflejock> priuon: despite the side jabbing, ActionParsnip is right if it is critical data it should be backed up
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> priuon: then you have learned the value of backup the hardest way possible
[17:58] <xadi> #join limtext
[17:58] <ActionParsnip> wafflejock: people love to learn the hard way
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> xadi  try /j #limtext
[17:58] <wafflejock> priuon: rsync is a nice solution
[17:58] <rim-k> ActionParsnip: I guess I just have to wait
[17:59] <wafflejock> ActionParsnip: yeah it happens, I learn from experience sometimes too, it's a hard way
[17:59] <ActionParsnip> rim-k: could try the kernel from Utopic, from the mainline PPA, just to test
[17:59] <wafflejock> lately using dejadup in Gnome the front end app and all seems to work very well
[18:00] <wafflejock> cool integration in the file chooser too so I can roll back files or folders by right clicking
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> wafflejock: I have a weekly cron'd cp to USB, quick and dirty
[18:00] <rim-k> ActionParsnip: mmmm why not
[18:00] <eli__> wafflejock: ok, I reconfigured it, should I reboot now? (I can't even reboot, shut down or suspend via the menu, I have to do it via command line)
[18:00] <azochniak> @MonkeyDust thanks
[18:01] <wafflejock> eli__: yeah reboot to be safe, logout login is sometimes all you need but reboot and you'll be sure everything new is applied
[18:01] <eli__> ok thanks. if it doesn't work then I'll come here again for help. Thank you very much
[18:01] <wafflejock> eli__: np godspeed :)
[18:03] <klana_Laptop> Hi@all! I have a problem with my UI. When i log in the backround is shown not properly and unity is not loading. Just report error message. I updated a longer time ago from 13.10 auf 14.04 per "UI". Today i had black screen after some search i found that I was still running on the old Kernel. I installed the kernel generic lts trusty. Since then i can login. And now i have the described problem.
[18:03] <wafflejock> ActionParsnip: yeah I use clonezilla after I have a stable system setup so I can always get back to that if all else fails and not lose a day or whatever setting things up, then I was using rsync before switching to Ubuntu Gnome, but like the built in backup they got going here, only problem is duplicity support outside of Linux, but in terms of integrated backup it's pretty awesome
[18:04] <wafflejock> only problem I have in terms of my backup setup is my NAS is totally weak
[18:04] <wafflejock> so that takes some time but since it's incremental backups it's not really a problem with deja dup
[18:05] <wafflejock> I like that the NAS is mirrored (D-Links proprietary X-RAID) though so I keep it running despite having some ancient hardware and software in it... eventually will grab a NUC and setup RAID or something but it's fine for now
[18:07] <unkn-error> are there people with ubuntu installed on Mac (Apple Laptops)? I am curious
[18:08] <wafflejock> unkn-error: not me but I know there are, I think elementary OS is more Mac friendly though I don't have any Mac hardware so just hearsay
[18:08] <DJones> !mac | unkn-error Not something I'bve got, but maybe the Ubottu's link will have info useful to you,
[18:08] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, This a sudden change, no unity, any thing leading up to this?
[18:09] <klana_Laptop> Any Help would be appreciated! I have a NVIDIA card now running on the Ubuntu drivers. Already tried to reinstall unity/nouveau. Didn't help.
[18:09] <wafflejock> !nomodeset | klana_Laptop
[18:09] <wafflejock> if you suspect graphics card problems that might be worth a shot
[18:10] <unkn-error> thx!
[18:11] <klana_Laptop> Beldar last autoupdate isntalled new nvidia drivers which i guess wasn't compatible with the 13.11 kernel and so i got the first problem with blackscreen which i solved with installing new kernel.
[18:13] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, latest kernel is 3.13 besides the possible nvidia isssue I would wonder why your kernels are not upgrading, you might try the nomodeset boot to get a de.
[18:14] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, If you get in run a update and dist-uprade
[18:14] <Beldar> upgrade*
[18:17] <Daekdroom> How do I direct the output a command produces in a terminal to a text file?
[18:18] <miodi> what would be the best laptop option if you would like a free software compatible MBP-a-like with an optical drive?
[18:18] <Cyber> #ubuntu
[18:18] <SchrodingersScat> Daekdroom: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html
[18:18] <Daekdroom> SchrodingersScat, thank you
[18:18] <SchrodingersScat> Daekdroom: another helpful page for bash: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/
[18:18] <Cyber> #xubuntu-br
[18:18] <klana_Laptop> Beldar I did apt-get install linux-generic-lts-trusty and upgrade. now running on 3.13.0-34. That improved the situation from "black" to "login screen -> broken background no unity" i will try the nomodeset
[18:19] <Beldar> miodi, There are so many out there this is actual support not whats the best laptop.
[18:19] <miodi> Beldar, okay
[18:20] <priuon> sorry I got distracted. wafflejock: sure... I think I did a backup but it did the same thing to my backup there. wafflejock: yeah rsync is really nice and thorough. ActionParsnip (gone.. saying anyways): No people hate learning the hardway. Yet they get forced into having to learn it the hard way again and again...
[18:21] <Beldar> klana_Laptop, I would run a unity compiz reset as well. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:21] <Beldar> than reboot
[18:21] <Cyber> join #ubuntu-br
[18:21] <Beldar> Cyber, /join
[18:22] <rim-k> I think I vanished my Win8 partition when installing (replacing 13.10) with 14.04 (+LVM)
[18:22] <rim-k> ...
[18:22] <Beldar> priuon, forced is not a valid argument.
[18:22] <rim-k> I'm wondering how I can confirm this
[18:23] <Beldar> rim-k, can you run sudo parted -l and pastebin it
[18:23] <_shrine> these compiz jiggly windows never make me bored
[18:24] <rim-k> Beldar : http://paste.ubuntu.com/8116209/
[18:24] <rim-k> interesting
[18:25] <Beldar> rim-k, I see a ntfs on sdc a msdos, sda is a gpt any sdb?
[18:26] <priuon> Beldar: maybe not.
[18:26] <Beldar> priuon, maybe?
[18:26] <priuon> Beldar: they don't choose it by free will either
[18:27] <Beldar> priuon, that is another bogus argument. No substance, and by the way freewill is a illusion.
[18:28] <BigHatMonkey> hi there
[18:28] <BigHatMonkey> how are you guys ??
[18:28] <BigHatMonkey> i need some little help
[18:28] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, State the issue please.
[18:28] <Beldar> in one post
[18:29] <BigHatMonkey> is because dropbox always ask for a prompt after every reboot
[18:29] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: thank you very much
[18:29] <BigHatMonkey> im using ubuntu 14.04
[18:30] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, What is the prompt, dropbox has a preferences.
[18:30] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Is the inicial prompt, ask me for my email and password
[18:30] <Kankroc> Anyone here ever had a problem with watching youtube video with Opera on Ubuntu?
[18:31] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: after this, works correctly
[18:31] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: is like the first install, but its show after reboot and power off
[18:32] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, I would make sure all that is correct by un-linking and linking again, you must have made a mistake somewhere in there.
[18:32] <kostkon> !details | Kankroc
[18:33] <subsciou1> Beldar:
[18:33] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Ok, so i keep search about linking and unlinking on google
[18:33] <Beldar> BigHatMonkey, You can do it from the dropbox preferences
[18:33] <Kankroc> Alright, I just installed Opera instead of Firefox because I prefer that browser (nothing agains't Firefox). Now for some reasons, when I watch a video on youtube it keeps having some kind of "Hiccup". It's like a 0.5 sec lag.
[18:34] <priuon> Beldar: sorry ... techical issues here.
[18:34] <priuon> Beldar: freewill is a welldefined state as seen from within it's defining system
[18:34] <VolodymyrB> hi, is there any chat for mint?
[18:35] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Ok, i apreciate your time
[18:35] <wafflejock> Beldar: haha I love how flately you state above freewill is an illusion (LOL)
[18:35] <Beldar> !mint | VolodymyrB
[18:35] <Beldar> wafflejock, It is sorry if that is new news to you. ;)
[18:35] <VolodymyrB> thanks
[18:36] <streulma> just a short question: SSD in Optical Bay, HDD in normal place, Macbook Pro 13 inch 2012. GRUB installed on SSD > does not work. Grub installed on HDD > does not work. All blinking cursor. Boot repair did nothing...
[18:36] <Beldar> wafflejock, If you study quantum physics which no one really understands this is apparent.
[18:36] <ITAL0> hello all
[18:37] <MonkeyDust> streulma  short (quick) questions rarely have short answers
[18:37] <wafflejock> Beldar: it almost got me in some fights at work, I've actually heard QM used as an argument for free will (getting way OT though so will drop it)
[18:37] <streulma> :)
[18:39] <stevendumani> hello room please i need help installing nvidia drivers for fx5500 card
[18:39] <stevendumani> ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[18:40] <stevendumani> does it really affect 3D performance in vmware machines? cuz currently im getting (no 3D support, please install the OpenGL drivers for your card..)
[18:41] <stevendumani> I tried using this ppa http://www.howopensource.com/2012/10/install-nvidia-geforce-driver-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-using-ppa/
[18:44] <Kai__> nvidia drivers in vmware?
[18:44] <Kai__> dude
[18:44] <tawmu> Hey guys, anyone any good with ntlm_auth and samba?
[18:44] <Beldar> so many wrongs ther
[18:44] <Kai__> install vmware tools
[18:44] <Kai__> vmware has its own gfx drivers
[18:45] <blablab> hi, what is better between irssi and weechat please
[18:45] <Beldar> blablab, Not even close to support, decide which yo like.
[18:45] <MonkeyDust> Kai__  streulma i use vmware too, even the tools don't offer 3D support
[18:45] <iceroot_> tawmu: #samba
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> stevendumani  ^^^
[18:46] <tawmu> iceroot_: it’s dead :(
[18:46] <klana> Beldar wafflejock ubottu : setting nomodeset brought ubuntu unity back with 3 system errors. but it works. Any further steps i should take? your tip Beldar or installing nvidia drivers?
[18:47] <stevendumani> Kai__ not in vmware, but vmware guests performance is not as good as it should, vmware tools are installed, but each time I boot winxp (vmware client) I get a msg from vmware saying (install openGL drivers to get 3D support in the guest machines)
[18:47] <Kai__> ah ok
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> stevendumani  not only with xp, also with windows7 and ubuntu
[18:47] <Guest82581> Can anyone help me with a kernel compilation error?
[18:47] <stevendumani> exactly MonkeyDust
[18:48] <wafflejock> klana: yeah you may want to go with the nvidia proprietary drivers er whatever Beldar suggested
[18:48] <Kai__> if you're running ubuntu why don't you install proprietary drivers directly from system settings?
[18:48] <stevendumani> so now I have unmet dependencies.. and conflicts
[18:48] <klana> wafflejock he suggested resetting unity http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[18:48] <Kai__> They're available in the additional drivers section
[18:48] <stevendumani> Kai__ I'll try that now, but how?
[18:49] <stevendumani> Kai__ OK
[18:49] <stevendumani> Kai__ thank you
[18:49] <Kai__> That's the first thing you should have tried
[18:49] <Kai__> np
[18:49] <slops17> hey all
[18:49] <BigHatMonkey> Beldar: Ok, many many thanks, see you soon
[18:50] <stevendumani> Kai__ is it better than the drivers in this ppa? anyway thank you I don't need optimum performance I just need OpenGL support
[18:50] <slops17> whats the best way to disable the grub hold on ubuntu server 14.04. The server is running headless and sometime when i plug a monitor in it will be at a grub boot menu?
[18:50] <Kai__> they will work for sure
[18:51] <wafflejock> klana: might work... from what I've seen if nomodeset fixes the issue it just means there's a problem with the graphics driver but it could be some compiz or unity issue, wouldn't hurt to reset them really
[18:51] <Kai__> with manual installation it's easy to mess things up
[18:51] <uhhh> anyone here?
[18:51] <wafflejock> uhhh: maybe
[18:51] <stevendumani> Kai__ I got "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system
[18:51] <Kai__> sure
[18:51] <Kai__> about 1715 users
[18:51] <Kai__> oh
[18:52] <Kai__> are any available to download?
[18:52] <stevendumani> Kai__ the only available buttons in the window are "Help" and "Close"
[18:52] <Kai__> or is the list totally empty?
[18:52] <Kai__> ok
[18:53] <Kai__> maybe your gpu is too new for 12.04
[18:53] <uhhh> I'm having NIC issues
[18:53] <uhhh> with my realtek 8723ae
[18:53] <Kai__> oh
[18:53] <Kai__> wait
[18:53] <stevendumani> Kai__ it's too old, it's FX5500 (one of the first PCI Express models)
[18:54] <Kai__> omg
[18:54] <stevendumani> Kai__ but it's supported in that ppa
[18:54] <Kai__> no wonder
[18:54] <Kai__> well
[18:55] <Kai__> might be problematic if it's that old
[18:55] <wafflejock> stevendumani: do the proprietary drivers not work either? generally speaking the nvidia drivers have worked fine for me... I have an X600 now but even with older cards it's mostly worked well
[18:55] <uhhh> ubuntu says:
[18:55] <uhhh> 04:00.2 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0a)
[18:55] <uhhh> 	Subsystem: CLEVO/KAPOK Computer Device 3537
[18:55] <uhhh> 	Kernel driver in use: r8169
[18:55] <anarkhos> hey wafflejock
[18:55] <wafflejock> ah hello anarkhos
[18:55] <stevendumani> Kai__ btw i have compiz with all the effects and its running fine. just the guest machines performance is a little strange.
[18:56] <uhhh> but my wifi has been prompting for my password to reconnect several times
[18:56] <laze1989> Does anyone know if there are source packages for QT5 for Trusty in the archives?
[18:56] <uhhh> and one time couldn't reconnect at all, but when I booted windows my wifi was still working just fine
[18:56] <Kai__> so you do have opengl support
[18:56] <stevendumani> wafflejoke sorry but what are the proprietary drivers exactly?
[18:57] <Kai__> with free drivers but still
[18:57] <Kai__> official drivers from nvidia
[18:57] <stevendumani> Kai__ I think i do but it's not running on all applications, and from the user reviews of the drivers im trying to install i think it's encouraging
[18:58] <Kai__> proprietary because their source code is not available
[18:58] <stevendumani> Kai__ nVIDIA stopped supporting my card long ago
[18:58] <zetheroo> I have had Ubuntu 14.04 installed since it's release and wanted to give the plasma (kubuntu) desktop a try, so I installed it from SPM. Since then if I revert back to the Ubuntu desktop there are odd goings-on - for instance Pidgin looks like it still has the KDE look, as does Firefox. Also the menus coming from the top bar indicators all have black text which is really hard to read. Any way to fix this without removing the plasma de
[18:58] <Kai__> yup
[18:59] <faribamkm> msg nickserv negarmkm<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:59] <Kai__> That's why you might have some issues with eg. the kernel
[19:00] <Kai__> google up and check if someone has already managed to install those drivers on a modern (3.x) kernel
[19:01] <OerHeks> faribamkm, time to change password
[19:01] <anarkhos> is it bad to search for files on an NTFS partition using lubuntu?
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> Kai__  don't send people away by telling they have to google it, please
[19:01] <anarkhos> or perfectly harmless?
[19:01] <stevendumani> Kai__ I'm resolving the dependencies already, I'm on my way.
[19:01] <OerHeks> https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
[19:01] <Kai__> I'not sending ppl away
[19:02] <Kai__> I just told him what I would do
[19:02] <Beldar> zetheroo, Have you chosen the ubuntu desktop from the login?
[19:02] <stevendumani> btw is there a good way to install kik on ubuntu?
[19:03] <zetheroo> Beldar: yes sure
[19:03] <zetheroo> Beldar: it's all Ubuntu Unity, except for some strange oddities
[19:04] <Beldar> zetheroo, Was the ubuntu desktop the install version originally and did you remove any of it?
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> stevendumani  you mean kiki?
[19:05] <zetheroo> Beldar: was the original, and no, did not remove any part of it
[19:05] <Kai__> ok, back in front of my keyboard
[19:05] <Beldar> zetheroo, I would reset it and do a reboot. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/reset-unity-and-compiz-settings-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[19:05] <stevendumani> MonkeyDust kik it's a chat client I've heard of, it's on android
[19:05] <Kai__> controlling your desktop using a smartphone via RDP isn't nearly as good :P
[19:06] <Kai__> even if it's a galaxy note 3
[19:07] <Kai__> stevendumani, found something: http://askubuntu.com/questions/153915/how-to-install-drivers-for-nvidia-geforce-fx-5200-on-precise
[19:08] <the_f0ster> if i get locked out of ssh for failed attempts, does this lock my username, or my ip ? my sshd is configured as default
[19:08] <Kai__> if it works for FX5200 then it should work for any FX
[19:08] <Beldar> anarkhos, searching fine, modifying is another manner.
[19:08] <zetheroo> Beldar: will give that a go - thanks
[19:09] <anarkhos> Beldar: modifying as in editing documents?
[19:09] <Rwar> test
[19:09] <Rwar> Hello?
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> Rwar  it works, we see you
[19:10] <Kaiii> dammit
[19:10] <Kaiii> what the hell is with my connection... :/
[19:10] <Rwar> I'm a bit confused..
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> Rwar  aren't we all, sometimes
[19:10] <OerHeks> Kaiii, please watch your language, thanks.
[19:10] <Rwar> I don't normally use these type of chat things..
[19:11] <Rwar> I need some help getting something to work, I'm unsure if this is where I'd ask
[19:11] <MonkeyDust> Rwar  this is IRC, the ubuntu support channel
[19:11] <trijntje> Hi Rwar, just ask your question and people will try to help you
[19:11] <Kaiii> I didn't use the "f" word, come on :<
[19:11] <Kaiii> oh, he's gone
[19:11] <Rwar> I have this old Mac, and I'm trying to switch to Ubuntu so I can use Steam and Skype again (as of this month Steam stopped working for my build of mac).. I was hoping switching would allow me to use those again
[19:12] <Kaiii> how old is this mac?
[19:12] <Kaiii> and, most importantly, what cpu is inside?
[19:12] <Beldar> anarkhos, You ave to have a windows centric app to do configs is all, say a document from word is okay. However windows does do system checks so you want to be aware. If these are just documents and or media etc having a shared ntfs is a better storage.
[19:12] <Rwar> uhm..I don't know.. my grandmother gave it to me.. I'm currently viewing it with Teamviewer
[19:12] <Beldar> have*
[19:12] <Kaiii> press the apple logo and  "About this Mac"
[19:12] <Kaiii> and tell me the cpu name
[19:13] <Rwar> I forgot I restarted it, Logging in now
[19:13] <Kaiii> if it's a PowerPC I'm afraid steam won't run on it because of architecture differences
[19:13] <Kaiii> you can't run x86 binaries on a PowerPC
[19:14] <Rwar> I'm losing track of this chat
[19:14] <Beldar> we a;; are, lol
[19:14] <Kaiii> tetris level 5 :P
[19:14] <Beldar> all*]
[19:14] <anarkhos> Beldar: ok. well what i have in mind now is searching on the NTFS partition for an iso image. that way i wouldn't need to reboot and load xp.
[19:14] <saiarcot895> Kaiii and Rwar: It helps to include the name of the recipient at the start of the message
[19:14] <anarkhos> Beldar: so searching like that is totally fine?
[19:14] <uhhh> I was having NIC issues, some one told me to edit boot options to pcie_aspm=off
[19:14] <Beldar> anarkhos, Yes
[19:15] <uhhh> I haven't d/c'ed from wifi yet, but the signal strength is fluctuating a lot
[19:15] <anarkhos> Beldar: ok good
[19:15] <Beldar> anarkhos, The danger is actually using XP. ;)
[19:16] <uhhh> where as on windows I have no d/c issues
[19:16] <Beldar> on the web anyway
[19:16] <uhhh> I'm assuming it's a driver issue if anyone knows a solution for realtek 8723ae's
[19:16] <anarkhos> Beldar: haha
[19:16] <Beldar> just a joust, I use windows
[19:18] <dav1dp0101> SCHAAP137, I fixed it: I had to install a GUI, and refresh/reinstall my device drivers as detailed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> ahh, allright dav1dp0101
[19:19] <dav1dp0101> After that, my sound devices appeared in the input and output drop down lists
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> that is useful information indeed
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> sol u had to install X11
[19:19] <SCHAAP137> ?
[19:19] <dav1dp0101> But before that they didn't even appear, it's like it wasn't detecting any sound cards at all.  Thanks a ton for your help.
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> u running supercollider as well?
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> np, just trying to help fellow users
[19:21] <dav1dp0101> No, one day I'm gonna play with supercollider, but probably on OS X! Haha. That's where I do my sound design and music production (Reaper, MIDI, audio interface)
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> if u're into audio/music, and coding, i recommend SuperCollider
[19:21] <SCHAAP137> ah cool, u know what it is
[19:22] <dav1dp0101> The ubuntu server is for my local radio station to have an online audio stream and hourly archived mp3 files for download
[19:22] <SCHAAP137> also cool, ChucK, from princeton university, google it
[19:22] <dav1dp0101> Yeah, I've seen people perform with supercollider live. I am ordering a Korg nanoKontrol2, which my friend used with supercollider.
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> supercollider is awesome indeed, i "studied" sonology @ the hague netherlands conservatory for almost 3 years
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> but i had motivational problems, didnt finish it
[19:23] <loa> hello!
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> still, supercollider is sick
[19:23] <SCHAAP137> sup loa
[19:24] <loa> i have problem with my usb drive. it mounts ok, and i can browse it content, but when it try to add new files, system said that my harddrive is only read only.
[19:24] <blablab> hi, what is better between irssi and weechat please
[19:24] <loa> that's how system mounted it https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.22-23%3A24%3A25.png
[19:24] <loa> you can see that state is rw
[19:25] <dav1dp0101> ah cool! I'm a musician and programmer and I haven't combined the two fields much in the past.
[19:25] <wafflejock> blablab: http://subforge.org/blogs/show/21
[19:26] <blablab> wafflejock, thanks i like the comparison, but you, what is your favorite
[19:27] <wafflejock> blablab: I personally use a GUI based chat Quassel IRC
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> loa, was the content of the USB drive filled from a OSX or windows machine?
[19:27] <blablab> oh ok
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> if so, what is the filesystem on the USB device?
[19:27] <wafflejock> I tried XChat for a bit but can't get used to it, back the day I used mIRC
[19:27] <SCHAAP137> FAT32? HFS+ ?
[19:27] <wafflejock> quassel is a bit of a hog but on a good machine it's nice
[19:28] <loa> SCHAAP137, i think there is ntfs.
[19:28] <loa> i tried to use ntfsfix on it
[19:28] <blablab> wafflejock, i would like to get something similar to this http://pascalpoitras.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/2014-03-07-170223_1600x900_scrot.png
[19:28] <SCHAAP137> okay, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:28] <loa> and it said that all is ok.
[19:28] <loa> 14.04
[19:28] <SCHAAP137> the disk space is not physically full loa?>
[19:28] <loa> good question)
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> ntfs nowadays from standard ubuntu should work with r/w
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> in the early days, we had FUSE
[19:29] <loa> SCHAAP137, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.22-23%3A29%3A04.png
[19:29] <loa> it worked in the morning.
[19:29] <loa> maybe i unmount it unsaifly
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> okay, try eject/unmount
[19:29] <SCHAAP137> then remove
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> then maybe a reboot, and reinsirt
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> see what the result is
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> used any VM's inbetween?
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> processes on the device still running?
[19:30] <wafflejock> blablab: is that Awesome TWM?
[19:30] <SCHAAP137> TWM is cool, but Xmonad is cooler wafflejock
[19:30] <blablab> wafflejock, i dont know sorry
[19:31] <loa> SCHAAP137, yeah. i think i need reboot.
[19:31] <SCHAAP137> try, maybe it will fix it
[19:31] <SCHAAP137> could be hanging stuff, locked process whatever
[19:32] <wafflejock> SCHAAP137: hadn't previously checked that out at all not sure I could get used to the TWM idea really
[19:32] <SCHAAP137> i think xmonad is faily accessible, once you get to know the keycombos
[19:32] <SCHAAP137> havent checked twm that much rly
[19:32] <SCHAAP137> heard good stories about it though
[19:33] <blablab> wafflejock, someone said he use awesome wm
[19:34] <wafflejock> yeah I've always used key bindings for various window tiling tasks but still like my regular feeling windows that I can resize with a mouse
[19:34] <wafflejock> seems to work better multimonitor in KDE or Unity than Gnome really but I like the Gnome winkey to see everything or do whatever
[19:35] <wafflejock> similar to the lense but I think really actually better
[19:35] <klana> Beldar wafflejock ubottu thank you for the help! nomodeset fixed the problem for now. I would have liked to install the proprietary video drivers from Nvidia but in the Additional Driver program i cant chose them. Downloaded driver from side tells me that they are already installed. but there are no Nvidia packages. lshw -c video shows drivers: nvidia. Maybe that's also shown with Nouveau. I leave the status for now how it is. it work
[19:36] <apb1963> what tool and options will let me search for "*avahi*" and return those packages that match and are installed on my system?
[19:36] <wafflejock> apb1963: maybe apt-cache search http://www.tecmint.com/useful-basic-commands-of-apt-get-and-apt-cache-for-package-management/
[19:37] <eli_> wafflejock: gdm does not work, I had to login via command line and revert to lightdm
[19:37] <wafflejock> eli_: ah sorry to hear it you were gone for a while there
[19:37] <Beldar> klana, I know nothing really on nvidia, my goal was getting you to a updated and workable situation.
[19:37] <eli_> wafflejock: because all I saw was a black screen instead of the login screen
[19:37] <mugenbanto> "hi all, am I doing this right? "./~/.fritzing-0.9.0b.linux.AMD64/Fritzing"
[19:38] <mugenbanto> I can't seem to execute the program this way, while I am able to when I get into the folder
[19:39] <wafflejock> eli_: you did it as described here http://www.n00bsonubuntu.net/content/install-gdm-ubuntu-14-04/ ?
[19:39] <wafflejock> mugenbanto: ~/.fritzing-0.9.0b.linux.AMD64/Fritzing should do it
[19:39] <wafflejock> mugenbanto: the ./ is to say current directory run something (as in don't try to find it on the path it's in this folder)
[19:39] <apb1963> wafflejock: apt-cache pkgnames avahi is a very good start
[19:40] <eli_> wafflejock: wafflejock: well, gdm was already installed
[19:40] <mugenbanto> thank you
[19:40] <mugenbanto> that worked wafflejock
[19:40] <wafflejock> cool
[19:40] <z3ro3x> I normally leave my computer run 24/7.  I only turn off the monitor when I goto bed.  Twice in the last week my computer would be completely frozen.  When I wake up and turn my monitor back on and move the mouse or push keys on the keyboard the screen stays black.   Ctrl+Alt+F1 does nothing.  Ping and SSH from another device also does nothing.  My only option is hold the power button and force a hard reboot.  Sleep mode is disabled
[19:40] <z3ro3x> .  Only the screen is automatically turned off after a set amount of time.  This freeze never happens during the day when I leave the computer alone for a few hours and come back to it.  It only seems to happen at night when I sleep.  The only difference I can tell is that I physically turn off the monitor when I sleep.  I'm at a lost of trying to pin point the cause.  I can't make heads or tails of the logs in /var/log.  My mother
[19:40] <z3ro3x>  board is a MSI 870A-G54 and my video card is a Gigabyte AMD/ATI HD7870.
[19:40] <eli_> wafflejock: and the configuration window didn't appear
[19:40] <wafflejock> eli_: ah so you just tried to switch to it but it was a no go
[19:40] <klana> Beldar and we achieved that :) thanks again
[19:41] <apb1963> wafflejock: dpkg -l | grep avahi seems to be the magic incantation
[19:41] <amanthakur> hi guys, I seeking an advice from senior programmers about my programming carreer. Actually, i am confused in choosing the programming field. I have been coding application in C# for windows for more than 3 years now, i also like linux and wants to learn linux device driver development. I am also a RHCE on RHEL 5.0. But i am confused, that which field should i choose to make my carreer in. Shall i go with C# or shall i go with Linux Device Drivers?
[19:41] <amanthakur> ??? I really appreciate if someone can help me decide....
[19:41] <eli_> wafflejock: I tried that way, and also the last message on this thread http://askubuntu.com/questions/152256/how-do-i-switch-from-lightdm-to-gdm
[19:41] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: skip anything from Microsoft
[19:41] <Adam_ActiveState> they are becoming more and more irrelevant
[19:41] <UltraDMA> Hello, the updater of my old 9.10 Ubuntu popped up and requested me to update openssl and libssl. I accepted that (knowing about the recent SSL trouble). But ... the next dialog listed both packages under UNAUTHENTICATED. I aborted and decided to ask you. Is that normal or is my sys under control of the dark forces?
[19:42] <apb1963> I don't know that there's any money in device driver development ?
[19:42] <Adam_ActiveState> almost anything else (besides apple) is better
[19:42] <eli_> wafflejock: maybe I should mention that I do not have that Unity stuff
[19:42] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, do we have good chances of making money in Linux Device drivers?
[19:42] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: you can transition your programming knowledge to ruby, go and many others that will run in containers
[19:43] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: when you go the C# route, you get stuck
[19:43] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: take the time to learn docker, cloud foundry
[19:43] <wafflejock> eli_: ah yea the person yesterday was using Unity not sure if it matters, I upgraded Kubuntu 12.04 -> 14.04 and was generally okay but decided I wanted to try Gnome
[19:43] <Adam_ActiveState> then deploy go, ruby, node.js experiments
[19:44] <wafflejock> eli_: can check some basics on your user account I suppose too
[19:44] <wafflejock> eli_: run groups
[19:44] <wafflejock> in the terminal that should show you in sudo
[19:44] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: use your driver experience to contribute to open source like the linux kernel
[19:44] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, i was thinking to go on a low level programming like C for device drivers, instead of writing web applications.
[19:44] <Adam_ActiveState> it looks very good on your resume
[19:44] <eli_> wafflejock: do I paste the result here?
[19:44] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah it's fine
[19:44] <eli_> wafflejock: sudo groups ---> root
[19:44] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: you can do both
[19:45] <wafflejock> eli_: just groups
[19:45] <wafflejock> eli_: it should tell you current user groups if you don't specifiy an arg
[19:45] <wafflejock> otherwise it expects a username like groups shaun
[19:45] <Adam_ActiveState> the complexity of writing LoB (line of business) applications is way easier
[19:45] <eli_> wafflejock: eli sys adm lp dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev fuse lpadmin netdev admin sambashare mythtv
[19:45] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, ah ok good
[19:46] <wafflejock> eli_: oh wait so you aren't in sudo... that might be a problem
[19:46] <Adam_ActiveState> amanthakur: keep your skills up in the harder discipline. you can alway learn a new language or framework
[19:46] <wafflejock> eli_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/7477/how-can-i-add-a-new-user-as-sudoer-using-the-command-line
[19:47] <amanthakur> Adam_ActiveState, yes you are right....
[19:47] <kudakwashe> for a person wanting to learn how to program using ubuntu gnu/linux ( so they can understand the ubuntu os better ) which language would be good to start with? wouldn't it make sense to start with bash?
[19:48] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: bash isn't really a full on language
[19:48] <eli_> wafflejock: i added my user to sudo via sudo adduser eli sudo
[19:48] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: it is pretty robust but it's still fairly limited
[19:48] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: i mean as a starting point
[19:48] <wafflejock> eli_: log out and log in then
[19:48] <eli_> wafflejock: ah ok
[19:49] <eli_> wafflejock: thanks, I hope this will solve my problem!!!
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: C is everywhere, lots of python too
[19:49] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah fingers crossed
[19:49] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: i mean, if you learn python, that's a good scripting language, but wouldn't learning bash first help you understand the OS better
[19:49] <Gatis> For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: you know you can grab the source for most everything with apt-get
[19:49] <DJones> !ot | Gatis
[19:49] <Gatis> :D
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: it's good to check out the things you're interested in contributing to
[19:49] <Gatis> Who cares :D
[19:49] <Gatis> hahahaaahaahh
[19:49] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: then see what you need to know
[19:50] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: can a person develop software for ubuntu withough knowing bash at all?
[19:50] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: say, if all they know is c and python?
[19:50] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: you'll be using the terminal and build scripts but you don't necessarily need to be the one writing them
[19:50] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: seems like knowing bash is neccesary, even the boot process involves bash?
[19:51] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: in an established project that work will already be done
[19:51] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: I'm not saying not to learn about bash I just wouldn't take it to far as a "programming language"
[19:51] <wafflejock> it's more for getting things done
[19:51] <loa> SCHAAP137, reboot solved problem.
[19:51] <wafflejock> start this or that service up or shut it down but not interact with memory etc.
[19:51] <loa> how i hate solve problems with reboots.
[19:51] <loa> i feel abused.
[19:52] <TJ-> kudakwashe: The boot scripts don't rely on bash; only on busybox sh and (da)sh
[19:52] <SCHAAP137> loa: that is a good thing
[19:52] <SCHAAP137> loa: it means there was a malfunction on a application/library level
[19:53] <loa> ok, what i can do with this error? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.22-23%3A52%3A45.png
[19:53] <SCHAAP137> or user level, ;P
[19:53] <loa> i am trying to format my flash stick.
[19:53] <SCHAAP137> hmm, dont know loa
[19:54] <SCHAAP137> does not look familiar loa
[19:54] <kudakwashe> i was disconnected, so yeah bash isn't a programming language, granted
[19:54] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: ah wondered what happend :)
[19:54] <TJ-> kudakwashe: The boot scripts don't rely on bash; only on busybox sh and (da)sh
[19:54] <eli_> wafflejock: it's me again. I logged out and now sudo is on my groups list. But still, devices won't automount, I can't change user settings, or Disks settings...
[19:54] <kudakwashe> which would be the best language to start with in ubuntu would you say?
[19:54] <kudakwashe> using a mobile modem in rural zimbabwe, not very reliable
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: it depends on what part of ubuntu
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: hehe
[19:55] <TJ-> kudakwashe: What do you want to do? there are a wide variety of programming languages used in the various packages that make up Ubuntu
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: different packages written with different things so it sorta depends
[19:55] <loa> SCHAAP137, you meen russian?
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: C is a good general purpose general learning thing
[19:55] <loa> what was that last sentence about.
[19:55] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: but better if you have a specific goal
[19:55] <SCHAAP137> no, the application, the utility to format
[19:56] <kudakwashe> really i just want to learn how to program but using ubuntu, to understand it
[19:56] <SchrodingersScat> kudakwashe: you can program in almost any language in ubuntu
[19:56] <SCHAAP137> the USB was inserted after boot completed loa?
[19:56] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: better to learn to program separately to some degree, ubuntu has a variety of stuff but some of it is going to be really complex for a beginner
[19:56] <loa> SCHAAP137, yeah. it is another problem.
[19:56] <SCHAAP137> try eject, insert, retry action
[19:56] <loa> i am trying to format it fro gui.
[19:57] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: this is a nice place to just get your feet wet http://www.codecademy.com/
[19:57] <kudakwashe> i thought starting with bash then c
[19:57] <kudakwashe> would give a good understanding of shell then the foundation programming language of the os
[19:57] <SCHAAP137> u have a terminal/ something else open, on a directory @ the device?>
[19:57] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: once you feel like you kinda get the general gist of programming then I would find a package you're really interested in learning about and contributing to and grab the souce
[19:57] <wafflejock> source*
[19:57] <kudakwashe> wafflejock: cant afford the bandwidth ($90 USD per gig)
[19:57] <kudakwashe> need to learn offline
[19:57] <loa> SCHAAP137, i think problem is that earlier i dd on it iso of ubuntu server.
[19:58] <TJ-> kudakwashe: Learn to use and love the man-pages them, they are often invaluable
[19:58] <wafflejock> kudakwashe: understandable
[19:58] <SCHAAP137> loa, ok, dd can be destructive when used in a nonstandard way
[19:58] <SCHAAP137> u can use something like Unetbootin, or Rufus
[19:58] <TJ-> kudakwashe: also, look for the -doc packages for the programs/tools you're interested in, and install them, so you have good resources locally
[19:58] <wafflejock> indeed ^
[19:58] <wafflejock> you don't want out-dated resources
[19:59] <wafflejock> print has a hard time keeping up
[19:59] <ryan_> sup
[19:59] <Beldar> TJ-, Is that from learn to love the rack in the middle ages
[19:59] <TJ-> kudakwashe: If you want a challenge, figure out how to write a HTTP server and HTTP client using *only* Bash
[20:00] <SCHAAP137> loa, maybe u can retry making the USB, with unetbootin
[20:00] <TJ-> Beldar: No, it's from tough love :)
[20:00] <Beldar> lol
[20:00] <Beldar> ;)
[20:00] <kudakwashe> TJ-: sounds a little insane but i do think i'm starting with bash then c
[20:00] <kudakwashe> using vi as my editor
[20:01] <TJ-> kudakwashe: I use vim ... I set myself the challenge of writing the HTTP client and server recently, and it proved surprisingly easy
[20:01] <TJ-> kudakwashe: "man bash" is a real gem
[20:01] <kudakwashe> TJ-: i'm a complete beginner
[20:01] <kudakwashe> though
[20:02] <wafflejock> TJ-: assuming you have TCP taken care of?
[20:02] <wafflejock> TJ-: i mean something outside of bash is handling that level?
[20:02] <kudakwashe> thanks for the advice - got to run - take care
[20:02] <TJ-> kudakwashe: Experiment then... read the manual, try something, figure out why it didn't work the way you expected, fix it, gain the insight, and pick a new challenge :)
[20:03] <wafflejock> TJ-: In one of my Java classes we had to write some of the parts of TCP on top of an emulated UDP socket, definitely learned a lot about how TCP works but haven't really messed with socket programming stuff since then (I do web dev mostly)
[20:03] <TJ-> wafflejock: echo -n "GET / HTTP/1.1\rHost: yourserver.com\r\r" >/dev/tcp/yourhost.com/80
[20:05] <TJ-> wafflejock: I've implemented a full stack on a couple of architectures
[20:05] <napterk_> hi try to unmount a drive, which seems to be still busy. Is there a way to unmount it, though?
[20:05] <wafflejock> TJ-: interesting... so it actually is able to resolve if you have the domain yourhost.com pointing at the machine with that little script?
[20:06] <regno> napterk_, have you tried umount -l ?
[20:06] <napterk_> regno: no not yes
[20:06] <napterk_> regno: no not yet
[20:06] <MonkeyDust> guys, about iptables, the ubottu pages are rather cluttered... how do I allow ssh from any device in 192.168.1.* ?
[20:06] <regno> that should do the trick
[20:06] <wafflejock> TJ-: ah will read here http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-using-bashs-built-devtcp-file-tcpip
[20:07] <napterk_> regno: worked! tried umount -f ...
[20:08] <regno> glad to hear :) Also, you could try to find out which processes are using the files on the mounted device: lsof|grep "/<mountpoint>"
[20:08] <eli_> wafflejock: do I try that gdm thing again, now I am in the sudo group? or does that not make a difference? with lightdm it's still not working
[20:09] <SP33D> does some one in here speak frensh
[20:09] <loa> SCHAAP137, lol, what is broken with dd, need to be fixing with dd.
[20:09] <SP33D> what means TI or TE behind a price
[20:09] <loa> zeroed my flash with dd and all is ok now.
[20:09] <eli_> SP33D: I do speak french
[20:10] <SP33D> eli what means TI after a price
[20:10] <k1l> !ot | SP33D
[20:10] <wafflejock> eli_: well you should have been in the sudo group in 14.04 from what I understand
[20:10] <wafflejock> eli_: you can check your /etc/sudoers file too https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/adding-a-user-to-the-sudoers-list-in-ubuntu-14-04
[20:11] <wafflejock> eli_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43317/what-is-the-difference-between-the-sudo-and-admin-group
[20:12] <eli_> SP33D: maybe "tout inclus"?
[20:13] <wafflejock> loa: heh dd giveth and dd taketh away
[20:13] <eli_> SP33D: all included
[20:14] <SP33D> ya i got it thx
[20:14] <SP33D> it means tax include tax eclude
[20:14] <eli_> wafflejock: oh my god
[20:14] <eli_> wafflejock: i wanted to press quit and enter
[20:15] <eli_> wafflejock: and i didn't press the right keys
[20:15] <eli_> wafflejock: and it recorded the changes
[20:15] <eli_> wafflejock: how can it revert the etc/sudoers file
[20:16] <eli_> wafflejock:
[20:16] <eli_> wafflejocK. i got the message: permission denied
[20:16] <syllopsium> hi, this shouldn't be causing me so much of an issue but it is - how do I stop gnome from loading
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> eli_  don't abuse the enter key, it has rights too
[20:16] <syllopsium> it's not in rc2.d and there is no /etc/init/gdm.conf
[20:17] <loa> lol, dd is overcharged https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25725476/screenshot-2014.08.23-00%3A16%3A54.png
[20:17] <alive4ever> If you messed up with /etc/sudoers file, you should boot your system in single user mode or use chroot to fix it.
[20:17] <loa> so it is strange that Disk utility can't format that flash
[20:17] <eli_> MonkeyDust: I apologize for my ignorance... 7 years using linux and still, I make these mistakes...
[20:17] <loa> i just dded iso to that flash.
[20:17] <loa> maybe i need to fill a bug?
[20:18] <eli_> but what can I do now?? is there not a command for reverting the changes or something?
[20:18] <wafflejock> eli_: follow alive4ever's advice here, it happens, I personally use nano cause I could never get used to vi modes
[20:18] <eli_> wafflejock; alive4ever, I don't even know how to do that
[20:19] <wafflejock> eli_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[20:19] <alberto> ciao
[20:20] <alive4ever> Remember to use visudo for editing sudoers file.
[20:21] <junka> does apparmor confine every installed app from the repos or only the ones installed from ubuntu software center?
[20:21] <eli_> alive4ever, wafflejocK: I am a computer science ignorant, I do not understand...:(
[20:22] <wafflejock> eli_: not familiar with grub?
[20:22] <eli_> wafflejock: nope
[20:22] <eli_> 7 years using linux and still an ignorant
[20:22] <wafflejock> eli_: no biggie it's just the program that kick starts the OS, it typically isn't shown if you only have one OS installed
[20:23] <wafflejock> eli_: you able to open that SO link above?
[20:23] <eli_> wafflejock: I have two and it is shown
[20:23] <eli_> yes
[20:23] <wafflejock> ah okay so yeah when you have the one selected you want to get into you hit E
[20:23] <eli_> i ran sudo visudo and it doesn't look like the file has suffered changes
[20:24] <innocent95> Hi folks.
[20:25] <eli_> wafflejock, yes, I've done that before
[20:25] <innocent95> I get an error message when i open my ubuntu it says: System program problem detected, and there are two options button 'Cancel' or 'Report a problem'
[20:25] <eli_> wafflejock: but just a minute, the uncommented lines of my etc sudoers file are:
[20:26] <TJ-> !paste | eli
[20:26] <innocent95> actually i get 4 of them
[20:26] <eli_> i wasn't going to paste everything
[20:26] <eli_> just the starting of each line
[20:26] <eli_> to see if there were missing lines
[20:27] <TJ-> eli_: We usually use pastebin to share file contents, it's much easier than sharing multiple lines of text with 1600 people :)
[20:27] <eli_> Defaults, root, %admin, %sudo
[20:27] <IdleOne> eli_: use the pastebin it is much easier and less spammy in the channel
[20:27] <eli_> TJ: yes, but I am afradi to copy-paste on the terminal while reading a file, I don't want to modifyit!
[20:28] <TJ-> eli_: This is the "/etc/sudoers" from 14.04: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117029/
[20:28] <eli_> and I feel so clumsy
[20:28] <eli_> TJ thanks a lot!
[20:30] <eli_> TJ, wafflejock, alive4ever: I apparently deleted a couple of lines accidentally, but the changes weren't saved
[20:30] <eli_> even if it said: recording
[20:31] <eli_> so the file is OK
[20:31] <wafflejock> eli_: don't worry, it's easy to feel beat up when your troubleshooting problems suppose it's good to mention it's always good to cp fileImGonnaChange fileImGonnaChange.bak just in case
[20:32] <wafflejock> eli_: if you check out the man page on visudo it has options for checking the /etc/sudoers file as well, I'd seen that before but not used it
[20:32] <eli_> wafflejock: I knew about backups but I'm not used to do them. I'll learn about it
[20:33] <eli_> I'll keep that command
[20:33] <wafflejock> yeah simple copy just in case
[20:33] <syllopsium> fuck.. so that's why I'm having so many problems. Seriously, raring ringtail was only supported for 9 months!?
[20:33] <wafflejock> eli_: if you do cat /etc/sudoers              it will just print it out to the console too without opening it for possible editing
[20:34] <IdleOne> syllopsium: yes, please no swearing in here
[20:35] <jhutchins> syllopsium: The price we pay for shiney new software.
[20:35] <syllopsium> *9 months* though?
[20:35] <wafflejock> I just stick with LTSeses
[20:35] <eli_> wafflejock: nice
[20:36] <TJ-> syllopsium: that's 3 months longer than it took to release the next version :)
[20:36] <wafflejock> 14.04 is good for 5 years everywhere at least
[20:36] <syllopsium> seriously? I'm presuming the only way I can upgrade is via cd
[20:36] <syllopsium> and that dist-upgrade is a no
[20:37] <syllopsium> and I'm having a lot of hassle trying to disable unity, and my desktop logon is broken for some reason.
[20:37] <jhutchins> syllopsium: Even RedHat does dist-upgrades now.
[20:37] <TJ-> !eol | syllopsium
[20:37] <jhutchins> syllopsium: Sounds like a clean install might be a good idea anyway.
[20:38] <syllopsium> thank you for the link
[20:40] <wafflejock> yeah I have a ceremony where I upgrade then find some problems, then backup all my data (clonezilla plus NAS backup of regular files), clean install everything is great, move back my files from the NAS realize I need something from the clonezilla image still, make a new clonezilla image restore the old one, move the other files I forgot originally to the NAS re-image to the new system and I'm good :), lucily on my AWS box the server
[20:40] <wafflejock>  upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 went smoother than that
[20:41] <eli_> wafflejock: I read both threads about sudo and admins. I don't know what do I have to do next
[20:42] <wafflejock> eli_: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[20:42] <wafflejock> this utility will make sharing the files with us easier on you and us
[20:43] <eli_> wafflejock: done!
[20:43] <wafflejock> eli_: k cool so now you can do, sudo cat /etc/sudoers | pastebinit
[20:44] <wafflejock> eli_: that should spit you back a URL you can drop here for us to checkout
[20:44] <wafflejock> eli_: also groups | pastebinit
[20:44] <eli_> wafflejock: ooh how nice!
[20:44] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah pretty sweet eh
[20:44] <eli_> wafflejock: first one http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117108/
[20:45] <eli_> wafflejock: second one http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117110/
[20:45] <wafflejock> eli_: you might also want to try, sudo visudo -c
[20:46] <wafflejock> eli_: nothing popping out immediately but that will check the sudoers file too for syntax problems
[20:46] <eli_> wafflejock: /etc/sudoers: parsed OK /etc/sudoers.d/README: parsed OK
[20:46] <wafflejock> eli_: what flavor of ubuntu is it exactly, you said not using Unity right?
[20:47] <TJ-> eli_: what is the issue? I think I missed it!
[20:47] <wafflejock> TJ-: can't mount drives
[20:47] <TJ-> wafflejock: Thanks. eli_ how are you trying to mount the drives (GUI file-manager, or from the shell) ?
[20:48] <eli_> wafflejock: I think it's gnome. And nope, no unity
[20:48] <anarkhos> "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs" <--- is this about the simplest command there is to mount an NTFS partition as read-only?
[20:48] <eli_> TJ: the drives don't automount when plugging in, after the upgrade
[20:48] <eli_> TJ: and i also have other issues
[20:49] <wafflejock> eli_: yeah no users account permissions etc. right
[20:49] <eli_> TJ: can't change used advanced settings, can't install or uninstall form software center, can't change disks settings
[20:49] <eli_> yeo
[20:49] <eli_> *yes
[20:49] <wafflejock> TJ-: sounded to me like was missing from the admin group, and he originally wasn't in the sudo group
[20:50] <wafflejock> TJ-: but now that's all in place, not sure what else could be wrong... someone yesterday who was using lightdm switched to gdm and for whatever reason that fixed it but not in this case
[20:50] <TJ-> wafflejock: eli_  so "eli" user has recently been added to the "sudo" group?
[20:50] <Grant__> ect-trillek
[20:50] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session?
[20:50] <eli_> TJ: yes
[20:50] <TJ-> eli_: Have you completely logged out and logged in again since adding "eli" to the "sudo" group?
[20:51] <eli_> TJ: yes
[20:51] <arpd> If it helps, my machine still has 7 or 8 terminal sessions connected, can I redirect one of those to my current connection?
[20:51] <eli_> TJ: should I reboot instead of just doing logout-login?
[20:51] <TJ-> eli_: No.
[20:51] <eli_> TJ: but i am on the sudo group now, it says so on groups
[20:51] <TJ-> eli_: I was going to suggest checking the "/var/log/auth.log" but you'd need sudo permissions to do that :)
[20:52] <eli_> i can do sudo on the terminal
[20:52] <wafflejock> TJ-: he can successfully run commands with sudo
[20:52] <wafflejock> right just some gui thing
[20:52] <eli_> (I'm a she, by the way)
[20:52] <TJ-> eli_: OK ... and you can use 'sudo' of course
[20:52] <eli_> yes, I can
[20:52] <wafflejock> eli_: maybe sudo apt-get install gksu --reinstall ?? << TJ-?
[20:52] <eli_> I've been using it all this week
[20:53] <wafflejock> eli_: gksudo is the graphical one that prompts you
[20:53] <TJ-> eli_: Best to focus on one of them, and I think "software center" is the easiest
[20:53] <eli_> aren't all my issues related?
[20:53] <wafflejock> k go with TJ here generally knows best
[20:53] <ryan_> anyone know how to get macbuntu like for xfce to work
[20:53] <eli_> it seems to me as a privileges issue, as I am always getting messages like: "not authorized"
[20:54] <eli_> so i don't run sudo apt-get install gksu --reinstall then?
[20:54] <eli_> and do I check the "/var/log/auth.log" then?
[20:54] <wafflejock> eli_: don't think it can hurt really but TJ- typically has the right track
[20:55] <FreeSome> How do I forward data retrieved using ‘echo’ to my webserver?
[20:55] <wafflejock> eli_: checking the log is no change
[20:55] <eli_> yes, but TJ suggested it
[20:55] <wafflejock> eli_: I always do the things that don't change the system first always good to check the logs when you're having problems really
[20:55] <eli_> maybe to see it on pastebin?
[20:55] <anarkhos> hey again wafflejock
[20:55] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session? I have several local terminal sessions still active (under the same username), can I reroute any of those perhaps?
[20:55] <frib> im trying to turn off monitor with "xset dpms force off" but it only lasts 2 seconds.  anyone know how to fix? thanks
[20:55] <eli_> ah ok sorry i didn't understand
[20:55] <TJ-> eli_: At a terminal shell run the S.C. by typing "software-center-gtk3". This will run it but we should see any errors in the terminal window when they happen
[20:56] <anarkhos> wafflejock: what would you prefer of the following?: "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs" or "mount -r /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs"
[20:56] <TJ-> eli_: Then, in the S.C. GUI try to install some trivial software package so we can trigger the issue. When it fails, take a look in the terminal window and lets see what messages (if any) it reports
[20:57] <wafflejock> anarkhos: not sure what you're asking there my mount foo is limited :)
[20:58] <anarkhos> wafflejock: im just curious about the simplest way of mounting an NTFS partition as read-only
[20:58] <eli_> TJ: 2014-08-22 22:57:45,434 - softwarecenter.backend - WARNING - _on_trans_error: 'AuthorizationFailed(u"('system-bus-name', {'name':  ':1.257'}): org.debian.apt.install-or-remove-packages",)' '<AptTransaction object at 0x940509dc (aptdaemon+client+AptTransaction at 0xb012680)>' 'five-or-more'
[20:58] <eli_> TJ: sorry, I should have pastebined it
[20:58] <TJ-> eli_: That's fine, it's one line
[20:58] <eli_> TJ: I don't know how to, though
[20:58] <TJ-> eli_: OK, I know where we are now
[20:58] <TJ-> eli_: give me a few minutes to look up the solution; I saw this a few days ago too
[20:59] <eli_> thanks TJ :)
[20:59] <wafflejock> anarkhos: yeah not sure about that
[20:59] <anarkhos> ok
[21:00] <wafflejock> anarkhos: I thought -t was required honestly but perhaps it can autodetect the filesystem
[21:00] <anarkhos> hmm
[21:01] <anarkhos> wafflejock: the longer one certainly works. the shorter one is simpler, but -might- not work, that's your point?
[21:01] <wafflejock> anarkhos: no wrong on that just checked the man page
[21:01] <wafflejock> -t is optional
[21:01] <anarkhos> ok...
[21:02] <wafflejock> anarkhos: think most of the examples I've seen just have it explicitly though
[21:02] <Guest6021> I'm looking to recover my passphrase.  Someone had given me the command line command, but I lost it.
[21:02] <anarkhos> ok
[21:03] <wafflejock> Guest6021: think this is it ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase ~/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase
[21:03] <trijntje> does anybody know how to report bugs for steam on ubuntu?
[21:03] <Guest6021> I"m gonna try that. thx
[21:04] <wafflejock> trijntje: probably just here http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=912
[21:04] <TJ-> eli_: This is bug 785117
[21:04] <anarkhos> wafflejock: how to check the umask of a partition?
[21:04] <FreeSome> How do I forward data retrieved using ‘echo’ to my webserver?
[21:04] <bekks> anarkhos: partitions dont have a umask.
[21:04] <anarkhos> hmm ok
[21:04] <Sander^lap> how do I set up a second wlan interface (connected over usb)?
[21:04] <arpd> FreeSome: you can use 'netcat'
[21:05] <anarkhos> bekks: so, how do i know what the correct umask is?
[21:05] <bekks> anarkhos: correct umask for what?
[21:05] <wafflejock> anarkhos: yeah you set the umask it's just allowing you to control the permissions http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html
[21:05] <bekks> anarkhos: Did you change the umask?
[21:05] <TJ-> eli_: There's a service that should be running in each user session, PolicyKit, which for some reason isn't enabled for your user's session. So, we need to enable that
[21:05] <wafflejock> bekks: with regard to using mount
[21:05] <FreeSome> Ty arpd will look into that
[21:05] <Sander^lap> how do I set up a second wlan interface (connected over usb)?
[21:06] <awesomess3> FreeSome, echo whatever >> /var/www/output.txt  #? orrrrr...hmm...idk
[21:06] <bekks> wafflejock: Then most likely uid and gid mount options are to be preferred.
[21:06] <anarkhos> bekks: no, but the example of mounting an ntfs partition that i came across includes a part about umask=, so i thought it was mandatory
[21:06] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session? I have several local terminal sessions still active (under the same username), can I reroute any of those perhaps? I am using ubuntu utopic unicorn preview
[21:06] <eli_> TJ: and is that related to my mounting problem, too?
[21:06] <wafflejock> bekks: fair enough I didn't have much info for anarkhos about mount
[21:06] <bekks> anarkhos: Ah, umask on ntfs - thats a workaround actually, since ntfs doesnt know about linux permissions at all.
[21:07] <trijntje> wafflejock, I'm a bit confused by the navigation on that forum. Is the page you linked for bugs about all games or only DogFighter?
[21:07] <anarkhos> bekks: yeah im learning about mounting ntfs partitions as read-only
[21:07] <genaerft> hey
[21:07] <bekks> anarkhos: So mount them as "ro".
[21:07] <eli_> TJ: should i try this? "First thing to do is to check that the policy kit authentication agent is activated in your list of start up programmes."
[21:07] <TJ-> eli_: Yes, it's all because the PolicyKit agent isn't there to get permissions for these privileged operations. I don't use Unity/Gnome so I can't guide you to precisely where to find the Session auto-start programs dialog box is, but maybe wafflejock or someone else who use those can help you there.
[21:07] <StevenXL> Hello everyone; I reinstalled my linux system, but I had created an id_rsa key; how can I import that "identity" into my new system?
[21:08] <genaerft> I changed the board and CPU and RAM and no Grub refuses to boot. because of wrong uuids
[21:08] <wafflejock> trijntje: ah sorry that was just for that game
[21:08] <StevenXL> I have copied the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub key but don't know what to do from there
[21:08] <TJ-> eli_: Yes, that's exactly what you need to do
[21:08] <anarkhos> bekks: here are two examples ive found: "sudo mount -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs" or "mount -r /dev/sda2 /mnt/ntfs"
[21:08] <eli_> TJ: I use gnome, but not unity. I found the auto-start dialog box
[21:08] <anarkhos> bekks: what do you think is preferable?
[21:08] <TJ-> eli_: Do you see PolicyKit listed there?
[21:08] <wafflejock> trijntje: you have a problem with Steam itself?
[21:08] <bekks> anarkhos: mount the ntfs filesystem as ro.
[21:08] <eli_> nope
[21:08] <TJ-> eli_: That's not going to help then :)
[21:08] <genaerft> do I need to correct the UUIDs? bklid shows no difference (via boot-repair)
[21:09] <bekks> anarkhos: the first command will not force it to be read-only.
[21:09] <anarkhos> bekks: what is the command you would haev used?
[21:09] <anarkhos> ok
[21:09] <bekks> anarkhos: mount -o ro
[21:09] <trijntje> wafflejock, portal2 keeps crashing on a certain community test chamber, bug I guess the portal2 bug page is thishttp://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1849054
[21:09] <eli_> TJ: can't I add it?
[21:09] <anarkhos> bekks: ok thanks ill try
[21:09] <genaerft> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8116143/
[21:10] <TJ-> eli_: Does this show the file exists: "ls -l /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop"
[21:10] <Sander^lap> Have anyone managed to get a usb wireless card working?
[21:10] <eli_> TJ: oh wait, those were the ADDITIONAL startup programs
[21:10] <mjrbordo> Hello. I have problem with mozilla or system configuration. I mean that on google translete or other similar sites i can't hear the speaker
[21:10] <wafflejock> trijntje: maybe here too https://github.com/ValveSoftware/portal2/issues
[21:10] <eli_> maybe there is another dialog box?
[21:10] <eli_> I will look for it
[21:10] <trijntje> wafflejock, yeah, its not really clear, looks like someone reported the same issue here as well https://github.com/ValveSoftware/portal2/issues/147
[21:11] <eli_> TJ: the result to your command was: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 358 Feb 11  2012 /etc/xdg/autostart/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1.desktop
[21:11] <exarkun> Sander^lap: Sure
[21:11] <anarkhos> bekks: and now id like to use the FIND command to search that partition for some key words. i was told earlier that that is not harmful
[21:11] <bubbasaure> arpd utopic is #ubuntu+1
[21:11] <TJ-> eli_: OK, so the file is there. As the directory name infers, that should auto-start... so it is possible it starts but then stops through some kind of error
[21:11] <LamP0> Hello. Is there a way to allow only certain file formats to upload to samba share?
[21:11] <trijntje> I wish I knew a workaround, but steam automatically selects the chambers for you in order, so I cant even play untill they fix this :(
[21:11] <exarkun> Sander^lap: edimax works out of the box
[21:11] <arpd> bubbasaure: I don't think this is a utopic specific question but thanks, I'll ask there too
[21:12] <anarkhos> so "find /mnt/ntfs -name xubuntu" shouldn't cause any trouble i reckon
[21:12] <wafflejock> trijntje: can't edit the save files to take it out or something huh?
[21:12] <Sander^lap> exarkun, I have an asus one.. its supposed to work out of the box. Do you know what I need to type in, to choose it?
[21:13] <TJ-> eli_: If you can find the system autostart programs list that'd be the place to ensure this is set to start for your user account. Really we need someone that uses gnome 3 and knows where that should be
[21:13] <trijntje> wafflejock, I don't think so, community test chambers are downloaded from the net automatically
[21:13] <wafflejock> trijntje: yeah maybe doesn't even get written to disk
[21:13] <eli_> TJ: I ran gnome-session-properties and got "startup application preferences" Additional startup programs. The same dialog box
[21:14] <exarkun> Sander^lap: When you plug it in and run `lsusb`, does one of the lines in the output (there is one for every usb device you have) correspond to the device?  It might help to run lsusb before you plug it in so you can compare the output.
[21:14] <eli_> TJ: with just 8 applications, one of which I added myself
[21:15] <eli_> TJ: so should I add "/usr/lib/polkit-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1" to the list of applications?
[21:16] <exarkun> Sander^lap: And what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[21:16] <trijntje> wafflejock, I'm asking in #steamlug now, thanks for your help
[21:16] <Sander^lap> exarkun, 14.04
[21:17] <eli_> TJ: excuse me, not that one, because there is no such file or directory
[21:17] <TJ-> eli_: I'm not sure. I'm reading conflicting information about what Gnome 3 does regarding auto-start programs
[21:18] <wafflejock> trijntje: np good luck, portal 2 is a fun one
[21:18] <eli_> TJ: I read this http://gnomeshell.wordpress.com/2011/08/28/manage-the-startup-applications/ there's the command for the policykit one; don't know if it'll work
[21:19] <anarkhos> yea the searching on the ntfs partition works, great
[21:20] <wafflejock> anarkhos: nice yeah you shouldn't have any problems glad you peeps got it sorted
[21:21] <TJ-> eli_: Good catch - I'd say that looks like being worth trying. My concern is that your current list doesn't display it yet you already have the .desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/
[21:21] <stillaftermath> Hi all, I need to alter a service script on Ubuntu 12.04 to run an additional command -    │ actinide
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | specifically, I have a VPN server that creates a tap adapter, and once that's done, I need │ active8
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | to run an /sbin/ifconfig command on the newly created virtual adapter to set it's IP.      │ adamm
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | What's the best way to do this? I tried just sticking the command in after the line that   │ adreno
[21:21] <stillaftermath>                         | starts the VPN server, but that didn't work
[21:21] <stillaftermath> ...damnit. sorry.
[21:22] <unopaste> stillaftermath you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[21:23] <helter_> clear
[21:23] <arpd> So I installed openssh-server, and just connected, but I cannot use sudo (user is not in sudoers file), but I could do so when I was physically at my machine, and not connected over ssh. Is there something I can do from my now remote session? I have several local terminal sessions still active (under the same username), can I reroute any of those perhaps?  I browsed it and fount it at /usr/lib/policykit1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[21:24] <eli_> or something like that
[21:24] <theadmin> anarkhos: Searching how?
[21:24] <TJ-> eli_: Yes, I saw it lives there from doing "apt-file list policykit-1-gnome"
[21:24] <eli_> TJ: now, should I reboot, or just a logout-login will do
[21:24] <TJ-> eli_: logout is sufficient
[21:24] <eli_> TJ: ok, I'll try, thanks a lot TJ!
[21:24] <anarkhos> tharkun: find /mnt/ntfs -name *.txt
[21:25] <anarkhos> theadmin
[21:25] <theadmin> anarkhos: Put that in single quotes to avoid shell expansions
[21:25] <anarkhos> oh
[21:25] <theadmin> anarkhos: find /mnt/ntfs -name '*.txt'
[21:25] <anarkhos> yeah that worked, thank you
[21:26] <theadmin> anarkhos: Also, in this kind of search you may want -iname rather than -name (case-insensetive)
[21:26] <anarkhos> another problem: how to enter directories with space in their names?
[21:27] <theadmin> anarkhos: Escape spaces or use quotes. For example, if you have a directory named "blah blah", you can do either "cd blah\ blah" or "cd 'blah blah'"
[21:27] <eli_> NJ: unfortunately, it didn't work
[21:28] <eli_> NJ: and I even got a message when logging in, about the software center
[21:28] <theadmin> anarkhos: Also, you can type few first characters of the folder's name, then hit Tab, shell will complete the rest, handling escapes/quoting.
[21:28] <faelhs> :D
[21:28] <faelhs> Oi galera :D
[21:28] <frib> i just decided to start using fluxbox.  but when i close laptop lid pc suspends and i don't want it to.  what can I do? thanks
[21:29] <kostkon> !pt | faelhs
[21:29] <eli_> sorry, I wrote the wrong name
[21:29] <eli_> TJ:  unfortunately, it didn't work
[21:29] <eli_> TJ: and I even got a message when logging in, about the software center, internal error
[21:30] <anarkhos> theadmin: tab didn't handle anything. ill try the other methods
[21:31] <Sander^lap> exarkun, I suppose I need to blacklist the built in one?
[21:31] <TJ-> eli_: Do you see a running program listed if you do "ps -efly | grep policy" ?
[21:31] <TJ-> eli_: I see "S root      2215     1  0  80   0  8456 70593 poll_s Aug15 ?        00:00:17 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug"
[21:31] <anarkhos> theadmin: sorry tab did handle it. i neglected a case sensitivity
[21:31] <eli_> TJ: I see two lines
[21:31] <eli_> first one: S root       969     1  0  80   0  4928  9102 poll_s 21:27 ?        00:00:02 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
[21:31] <eli_> second one: S eli      14969 14900  0  80   0   820  1173 pipe_w 23:31 pts/4    00:00:00 grep --color=auto policy
[21:32] <TJ-> eli_: OK, so that is the service running
[21:33] <data> hi, i am looking for information on how to update a module source package. Reason being: We need the newest kernel, but the openvswitch-datapath package does not support the newer kernels. Therefore I would like to update its package
[21:34] <TJ-> eli_: Without hands-on it's difficult to know what else to look at.
[21:34] <eli_> TJ: ok, don't worry, thank you very much
[21:35] <eli_> TJ: at least now I know it's something related to that authentication stuff
[21:35] <snake69> hi there im trying to solve this issue with vsftpd not working on amazons ubuntu 14 image https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/1313450
[21:35] <snake69> i installed what i thought was the correct linux-image but the problem persists
[21:35] <snake69> can someone point me in the right direction
[21:36] <eli_> TJ: I'll leave it for now (I have a lot of work to do) and I'll try again a couple of weeks later
[21:36] <TJ-> eli_: hang on... check this: "ps -efly | grep polk" ... do you get more than 2 lines?
[21:36] <eli_> TJ: just two
[21:37] <eli_> TJ: first: S root       969     1  0  80   0  4928  9102 poll_s 21:27 ?        00:00:02 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
[21:37] <eli_> TJ: second: S eli      14990 14900  0  80   0   824  1173 pipe_w 23:36 pts/4    00:00:00 grep --color=auto polk
[21:37] <TJ-> eli_: We got the issue!
[21:37] <eli_> TJ: really? :)
[21:37] <TJ-> eli_: On mine, there's a "polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1" running
[21:38] <TJ-> eli_: I'm using KDE, so you won't have that, but there should be the equivilent for Gnome
[21:38] <eli_> TJ: and is it solvable?
[21:40] <skulltip> could someone test out my little demo distribution?  https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8ur742gtc5y7ai/mytest-Linux.zip     It's written with JME3 and is the default demo, just extract and click 'launch.sh'. I get 15k FPS on my machine.
[21:41] <TJ-> eli_: That agent you added to the autostart list has failed to start. We need to know why, so let's start it manually from the shell and see "/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &"
[21:43] <eli_> TJ: eli@elisa-laptop:~$ /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 &
[21:43] <eli_> [1] 15130
[21:43] <eli_> eli@elisa-laptop:~$
[21:43] <eli_> (polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1:15130): polkit-gnome-1-WARNING **: Unable to determine the session we are in: No session for pid 15130
[21:43] <awesomess3> skulltip, you meant 15 FPS, right?
[21:43] <TJ-> eli_: hmmm. has it stopped running? type "jobs" and see if it is listed as running or stopped
[21:44] <skulltip> no, 15000 FPS. it's just a cube, you use mouse to move view around it and the numbers are displayed in the window
[21:44] <eli_> TJ: jobs
[21:44] <eli_> [1]+  Exit 1                  /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[21:44] <TJ-> eli_: Right, so we're onto the real problem then, which is more than we were 5 minutes ago
[21:44] <TJ-> eli_: I'll check bug reports for " Unable to determine the session we are in: No session for pid"
[21:45] <TJ-> eli_: bug 1240336
[21:48] <TJ-> eli_: This could well fix your issue: "sudo pam-auth-update --force"
[21:48] <eli_> TJ: I get a window
[21:48] <eli_> TJ: PAM configuration
[21:49] <eli_> TJ: there are 3 options: unix authentication, winbind NT/active directory authentication, and register user sessions in the systemd control group hierarchy
[21:49] <TJ-> eli_: hmmm! let me check on that :)
[21:50] <TJ-> eli_: Ok, running it here too. Are all the options selected (the "*" is present in between the "[ ]" on the left of each item?
[21:51] <eli_> TJ: yes
[21:51] <Alopex> switching distro... 1. install software 2. replace home or otherway around or.... 1. copy all from home 2. install software 3. replace home stuff again?
[21:51] <eli_> TJ: some people on the thread said post number 32 helped them, though
[21:51] <TJ-> eli_: Good :) ... now press the Tab key to get to the "<OK>" button and press the Space bar
[21:51] <grr-distupgrade> hey guys, is there a way i can do a dist-upgrade to a specific version? I have a server running 12.04.3 and i want to upgrade it to 12.04.4
[21:52] <eli_> TJ: done
[21:52] <eli_> TJ: look, there's one who says: "
[21:52] <eli_> In my case #19 didn't work but appending
[21:52] <eli_>  session required pam_loginuid.so
[21:52] <eli_>  session required pam_systemd.so
[21:52] <eli_> to /etc/pam.d/lxdm fixed everything.
[21:53] <eli_> "
[21:53] <unopaste> eli_ you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[21:53] <TJ-> eli_: Do a reboot, test. If that doesn't solve it completely try the recommendations in that bug report in comment #32 and #33. Bookmark that bug report, too!
[21:53] <eeee> grr-distupgrade: i think that's what dist-upgrade does, do-release-upgrade will take you to another release (14.04.1)
[21:53] <grr-distupgrade> dist-upgrade will upgrade to the newest version i think, which is 12.04.5
[21:53] <eeee> ah
[21:53] <askon> hello everyone, just a question struggling to find on the net, why am i requested to enter my pass 4 times before i actually get into the system?
[21:54] <eli_> TJ I'll do that, thanks a lot!
[21:54] <TJ-> eli_: It's important to try one solution at a time, so we know what each achieves
[21:54] <eli_> ok, rebooting
[21:54] <usr13>  grr-distupgrade That is not a distribution upgrade, it is a point release upgrade, but all you need to do is keep your system up-to-date.  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  *(BTW, we are up to 12.04.5 now)
[21:55] <grr-distupgrade> yes but i want to go to 12.04.4
[21:55] <usr13> eeee: I don't think that is what he wants.
[21:55] <grr-distupgrade> i have 4 servers in a cassandra cluster, 3 of them are on 12.04.4 and the 4th is on 12.04.3
[21:55] <Alopex> guys should i'm switching distro should i install the new software first or after copying all the ~/.___ folders ? or even before and after?
[21:56] <usr13> grr-distupgrade: The point release is different from the actual version, 12.04 is the version, .3 or .4 is the point release numbers
[21:57] <kostkon> grr-distupgrade, if you are up-to-date you are already on 12.04.5  if you are talking about the specific X and kernel stacks of each point release then check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:57] <Alopex> anyone?
[21:57] <askon> 5th time in here with the same question, totally ignored, thanks everyone
[21:58] <usr13> askon: What is your question?
[21:58] <Alopex> askon: are you sure you are typing it correctly?
[21:58] <frib> i just installed fluxbox in ubuntu and any program that tries to create sound freezes permanently .. what can I do?
[21:58] <askon> yep, 4 times to log in into the system, what else could be ?
[21:58] <Alopex> askon: tried to change pw?
[21:58] <usr13> askon: What else could *what* be?
[21:59] <LostNva> askon: what does it say if anything the first few times you type it
[21:59] <askon> nothing just another window for the pass
[21:59] <usr13> askon: 2 possibilities:  1) user-name  2) password
[21:59] <grr-distupgrade> kostkon: thanks good info
[21:59] <kostkon> grr-distupgrade, np
[22:00] <Alopex> askon: are you sure you are not typing passwd ?
[22:00] <askon> i do
[22:00] <usr13> askon: Hint:  They are both case sensitive.
[22:00] <Alopex> that CHANGES the password
[22:00] <askon> after typing it 4 times correctly everything works fine
[22:00] <Alopex> http://serverfault.com/questions/370829/passwd-asks-for-new-password-4-times
[22:00] <Alopex> http://www.unix.com/suse/249463-suse-passwd-username-ask-password-4-times.html
[22:00] <askon> 4 times consecutive correctly
[22:01] <usr13> askon: What happens after the 4th time?
[22:01] <askon> eveerything works fine
[22:01] <askon> i just need to type it 1 time
[22:01] <eli_> TJ: It worked!!!Hurray! :)
[22:01] <askon> googled it and nothing
[22:01] <usr13> askon: I think you need to start over.  What is your question?  (What exactly is your problem?)
[22:02] <Alopex> askon: if you do sudo -s   do you have to type it 4 times too?
[22:02] <eli_> TJ: I keep getting windows with error messages though. but everything works now! it mounts and the software center can install stuff
[22:02] <askon> Aloepx didn't try it though
[22:02] <Alopex> askon: try it first
[22:02] <usr13> askon: What exactly are you logging into?
[22:02] <eli_> TJ: i didn't have to follow #32, i just rebooted after following #19 and that did it
[22:02] <askon> usr13, to be able to work i need to type in my pass 4 times each time
[22:03] <askon> usr13, just name and pass
[22:03] <annoymouse> So I installed Ubuntu onto the USB thumb drive (following everyone's directions), yet it's not showing up in my Mac's boot menu...
[22:03] <askon> and the the pass pass pass
[22:03] <askon> and then the pass pass pass
[22:04] <eli_> TJ: nevertheless, i will keep #32 and 33 on a text file, just in case...
[22:04] <usr13> askon: I for one, do not understand what you are trying to tell us.
[22:04] <annoymouse> I only had the root partition, and I installed the bootloader on the device itself.
[22:04] <LostNva> usr13: he logs into system I think, and enters pass 4 times before it lets him in.
[22:04] <annoymouse> Does Ubuntu support boot.efi (the  default Mac boot loader)?
[22:04] <annoymouse> *bootloader
[22:05] <Kai__> yes
[22:05] <usr13> LostNva: So we assume, but what *really* is he doing?
[22:05] <Kai__> it's not only a mac bootloader anymore
[22:05] <Kai__> new pc have uefi too
[22:05] <Kai__> pcs*
[22:05] <Alopex> can someone quickly answer my question?
[22:05] <Alopex> guys should i'm switching distro should i install the new software first or after copying all the ~/.___ folders ? or even before and after?
[22:05] <annoymouse> Kai__: But Mac uses a modified version of the UEFI standard
[22:05] <askon> usr1, sorry, just starting up the system after the sleep, it requires me the password and username, entering the username and the password, then it goes back to the login screen and asks for the password 3 more times until i am able to work
[22:06] <usr13> Alopex: Copy them where?
[22:06] <Kai__> yeah
[22:06] <Alopex> usr13: on new machine from backup
[22:06] <askon> usr1, if a fresh reboot it asks only once for the username and the password
[22:06] <rh1n0> annoymouse you could try http://refit.sourceforge.net/
[22:06] <annoymouse> Kai__: So why do you think it's not showing up as a bootable drive in the boot menu?
[22:06] <eeee> Alopex: copy them later
[22:06] <Kai__> but in essence it's the same stu
[22:06] <eli_> TJ: I bookmarked the bug, and thank you very much TJ, I am very grateful; and so am I to wafflejock
[22:06] <Kai__> stuff*
[22:06] <usr13> askon: Oh, so the issue is with recovering from "sleep"?
[22:06] <annoymouse> rh1n0: I don't want to replace the boot loader?
[22:06] <annoymouse> didn't mean the ?
[22:06] <rh1n0> gotcha
[22:07] <Kai__> ubuntu has special mac+pc images available
[22:07] <rh1n0> are you trying to install or boot from the usb stick?
[22:07] <Alopex> eeee: ok thx thats what i thought, because maybe the programs overwrite my stuff right?
[22:07] <askon> usr13, the issue is that i have to log in 4 time everytime i go out from sleep
[22:07] <eeee> Alopex: yeah
[22:07] <Alopex> eeee: i.e on first launch
[22:07] <Alopex> thx
[22:07] <eeee> np
[22:07] <annoymouse> rh1n0: I already installed onto the USB stick, but the USB stick isn't showing up in the boot menu
[22:07] <annoymouse> And I'm pretty sure I did everything correctly...
[22:07] <kostkon> Alopex, they are gonna do it anyway, the next time you run them
[22:08] <estragon_> hello
[22:09] <usr13> askon: I think the choices are Suspend and Hibertate. Don't know which you are using but which ever... it's not working well for you so my advise is to just not use it.
[22:09] <usr13> askon: (turn it off)
[22:10] <annoymouse> Kai__ and rh1n0: And ideas?
[22:10] <askon> usr13, it looks to me that i have upgraded ubuntu 4 times and it asks for the login for every upgrade, this explaines me the each login, it even changes the login screen for each .04.10. .04.10 distribution, but i really enjoy to use the "sleep", "suspend" option, any ideas?
[22:11] <Kai__> what did you use to install it on the stick?
[22:11] <annoymouse> Kai__: I used the default installer from another USB stick
[22:11] <Kai__> try YUMI/Universal USB Installer/UNetbootin
[22:11] <TJ-> eli_: that's great :)
[22:11] <Kai__> any of these should do the job
[22:12] <annoymouse> Kai__: It's strange that my method didn't work though
[22:12] <annoymouse> I was trying to avoid a "third-party" software
[22:12] <Kai__> this one should work fine
[22:12] <Kai__> nah
[22:12] <usr13> askon: it "changes the login screen for each .04.10. .04.10 distribution"?  Not at all sure what you are talking about.
[22:12] <askon> Usr13, i mean 04. 14 or something, the way they are upgraded.. sorry quite a noob
[22:12] <Kai__> welcome to the world of free software
[22:12] <usr13> askon: What is your native language?
[22:13] <askon> romanian
[22:13] <usr13> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[22:13] <eli_> TJ: it was nice being helped by you, I learnt new stuff (at my newbie level of course). Thanks a lot!
[22:14] <Kai__> those programs are designed to create bootable linux usb sticks
[22:14] <askon> thanks
[22:15] <eli_> bye everyone
[22:15] <Kai__> bye
[22:17] <sundrop> will touchscreen monitors work with Ubuntu 12.04?
[22:20] <askon> usr13, sorry no one on that channel, maybe you still have some ideas? what do you not understand?
[22:23] <askon> P.S. clicking on the "password" setting and it is not workable
[22:25] <LostNva> askon: how does your computer work otherwise, is it really slow or anything?
[22:25] <askon> no it is good
[22:25] <LostNva> askon: do you have a swap partition?
[22:26] <askon> just annoying thing to log in 4 times after closing the screen
[22:26] <askon> yes i do sir
[22:26] <askon> 4 gigs
[22:26] <askon> as my RAM is
[22:26] <Zer000> how can I see what ubuntu is doing on startup - I want to see why a network drive (nfs) is not being mounted
[22:27] <LostNva> askon: when it goes to sleep is the screensaver also running?
[22:27] <askon> no, turned the saver off
[22:27] <Sander^lap> How do I select which band to use for a wireless interface?
[22:28] <LostNva> askon: i really don't have any ideas, but did you try waiting a min or so before trying the password from sleep?
[22:29] <LostNva> askon: it sounds like its not ready or ignoring your password entry because its just running hard doing something.
[22:29] <nashant> Hey, how do I see which disk is attached to ata1.00 ?
[22:30] <Beldar> text | Zer000
[22:30] <Beldar> !text | Zer000
[22:30] <askon> yep, it goes, one password request 2 times in a row with the same background image, after that i can do something on my desktop for about 30 secs and then another request for 2 passwords with an older ubuntu background
[22:31] <askon> this is why i can't find a solution in googleing
[22:31] <Zer000> Beldar, isn't there a log?
[22:31] <askon> nobody knows about it
[22:32] <Beldar> Zer000, Not sure I never look at logs.
[22:33] <HellTiger> hello, after do-release-upgrade i got the question to remove obsolente packages, i pressed details, now i hang in this screen, whats the trick to get over it_
[22:33] <HellTiger> ?
[22:34] <askon> LostNva it looks i will have to reinstall the system, thanks for the help
[22:34] <LostNva> askon: why
[22:35] <askon> LostNva what else can i do? it is obviously coming from previous upgrades
[22:35] <eeee> askon: can you access the system right now?
[22:35] <LostNva> askon: I'd sleep on it a while and keep checking
[22:36] <askon> i am typing from it, it works good, the thing is that i need to write my pass 4 times after the sleep before accessing the system
[22:36] <eeee> askon: cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:37] <eeee> paste what you get
[22:37] <eeee> !paste
[22:37] <Beldar> HellTiger, A upgrade needs to be with the stock packages if you have added 3rd party repos and or ppa's purge them to return to packages from the ubuntu repos.
[22:37] <askon> cat /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:37] <Beldar> !ppa-purge | HellTiger
[22:37] <askon> sorry
[22:38] <askon> # /etc/pam.d/common-auth - authentication settings common to all services
[22:38] <askon> #
[22:38] <askon> # This file is included from other service-specific PAM config files,
[22:38] <askon> # and should contain a list of the authentication modules that define
[22:38] <askon> # the central authentication scheme for use on the system
[22:38] <askon> # (e.g., /etc/shadow, LDAP, Kerberos, etc.).  The default is to use the
[22:38] <unopaste> askon you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[22:38] <HellTiger> i just was hanging in the screen, i did now ctrl c and it proceed to upgrade
[22:38] <Beldar> HellTiger, Look if there is a hidden popup on the screen.
[22:39] <netsjanek> hi
[22:39] <netsjanek> why litwa is banned
[22:39] <eeee> askon: use the link
[22:39] <Beldar> askon, Did you see the pastebin info from the bot?
[22:39] <askon> yes i did, got it
[22:40] <Beldar> netsjanek, Ask in #ubuntu-ops
[22:40] <askon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117747/
[22:40] <ac_slater_> hey all, I want to automate `dpkg-reconfigure dash` (to choose bash) ... what's a good way to do this non-interactively?
[22:42] <askon> eeee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117747/
[22:42] <eeee> ok
[22:44] <eeee> askon: type sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:46] <eeee> askon: in the line "auth	[success=1 default=ignore]	pam_winbind.so krb5_auth krb5_ccache_type=FILE cached_login try_first_pass" , change try_first_pass to use_first_pass
[22:46] <askon> eeee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117777/
[22:46] <eeee> askon: dont type "type"
[22:47] <askon> sorry, sec
[22:48] <askon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117792/
[22:48] <eeee> ok go down to where it says auth	[success=1 default=ignore]	pam_winbind.so krb5_auth krb5_ccache_type=FILE cached_login try_first_pass
[22:48] <MonkeyDust> guys, the !dns factoid is outdated... how do i set the dns permanently?
[22:49] <askon> eeee : is it good?
[22:49] <eeee> askon: yes
[22:49] <eeee> wait a sec
[22:50] <eeee> are you in nano? or you did sudo nano .... | pastebinit
[22:50] <askon> just sudo
[22:50] <eeee> ( after the | pastebinit )
[22:50] <eeee> so you're in the text editor right now?
[22:50] <askon> nope, terminal
[22:50] <uhhh> can some one help me out? my wifi keeps d/c'ing, I can see OTHER available networks but not mine
[22:51] <eeee> ok, run the command again without | pastebinit
[22:51] <uhhh> rebooting fixes this, but everything works fine on windows
[22:51] <uhhh> 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723AE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[22:51] <uhhh> 04:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 5289 (rev 01)
[22:51] <uhhh> 04:00.2 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 0a)
[22:52] <askon> don't get it, could please paste it here?
[22:52] <OerHeks> MonkeyDust, put it in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base  & update it > sudo resolvconf -u
[22:53] <askon> eeee : don't get it, could please paste it here?
[22:53] <eeee> askon: sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[22:53] <eeee> don't add anything to it
[22:53] <MonkeyDust> OerHeks  just found it, but tnx
[22:55] <glk> hi
[22:55] <askon> eeee: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8117826/
[22:55] <wafflejock> glk: hello
[22:56] <glk> i have some scripts which are running screen sessions on some parameters, sometimes, these screen sessions are started fine and sometimes they're dead
[22:56] <glk> where should i look for a reason for this?
[22:56] <glk> some suggestions?
[22:57] <eeee> askon: nano is a text editor, stop using pastebinit
[22:58] <eeee> askon: just type "sudo nano /etc/pam.d/common-auth"
[22:58] <eeee> askon: it will open a text based editor, called nano
[22:58] <eeee> askon: you can edit and save
[22:59] <askon> eeee sec
[23:00] <askon> eeee: no editor, just the terminal
[23:00] <eeee> askon: the editor is in the terminal
[23:00] <askon> yes
[23:00] <askon> not familiar with it though, sorry
[23:00] <sajan> hello
[23:00] <sajan> i m new to ubuntu
[23:01] <askon> write out?
[23:01] <sajan> can any one teach me how to install .gz file
[23:01] <askon> been using the DOS for some time in the past :)
[23:01] <sajan> i have downloaded java from website
[23:01] <sajan> i want to install
[23:01] <sajan> no
[23:01] <ubuntu-studio> sorry OOT just want to share my art maybe anyone need it
[23:02] <ubuntu-studio> http://www.fiverr.com/s/521ho6
[23:02] <eeee> askon: gksu gedit /etc/pam.d/common-auth
[23:02] <uhhh> does anyone know of driver updates for realtek 8723ae?
[23:02] <eeee> askon: it's extremely easy, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit, and the rest is ordinary
[23:02] <askon> oh, here it goes si
[23:03] <askon> oh, here it goes sir
[23:03] <uhhh> because I can't reboot every time my wifi d/c's, might have to just use windows
[23:03] <wafflejock> uhhh: usually the easiest way is to lspci then use the identifier at the beginning of the line for the hardware to search for your version of ubuntu
[23:03] <askon> eeee: ready to do stuff there
[23:03] <eeee> ok great, switch try_first_pass with use_first_pass
[23:03] <eeee> ctrl+s and exit
[23:04] <wafflejock> uhhh: lscpi -k to see the kernel driver in use
[23:05] <uhhh> wafflejock: it's using r8169
[23:06] <uhhh> some one told me to update my kernel so I'm on 3.14.1 now, but it didn't fix the issue
[23:06] <wafflejock> uhhh: possibly this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-backports-modules-3.0.0/+bug/839393
[23:07] <askon> eeee: did it
[23:07] <h9x> باخ
[23:07] <h9x> hi
[23:07] <h9x> guys
[23:07] <askon> eeee: should relogin?
[23:07] <h9x> i remove the compiz
[23:07] <eeee> askon: ok, yeah
[23:07] <uhhh> wafflejock: any idea how I would update to v3.1?
[23:07] <h9x> and still working
[23:07] <h9x> http://im49.gulfup.com/byiUAi.png
[23:07] <askon> eeee:thanks sir, doing that
[23:08] <wafflejock> uhhh: think you're above the version they're suggesting there, uname -a
[23:08] <NeO--o___> hi