[07:07] <Psi-Jack> action09: Why can't you use it?
[07:07] <Hmmmm> hey guys, i have a lil problem
[07:07] <Mabus06> fangorious, but ssh the router? you mean ssh <IP_ADDRESS>?
[07:07] <action09> and never see OO crashing so many times
[07:07] <Psi-Jack> My OOo works fine.
[07:07] <Madpilot> action09: upgrade to Breezy...
[07:07] <Hmmmm> i have a program that needs /dev/pty*
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> iantec, (using Gnome, not sure how analogous it is) The computer section (viewing / (the root directory)) in that viewer.
[07:07] <sampan> cvt|kde  did you figure out the ignore?
[07:07] <fangorious> Mabus06: I wasn't sure what the router comment was for, forgot I asked about firewalls
[07:07] <iantec> im in kde....
[07:07] <nbound> NCLife, linux will stay fast far longer than windows
[07:07] <john043> i have a weird problem with my computer, mprime fails everytime, although if i run the ubuntu live cd and reboot mprime can run for days on my installed OS.  It of course does not work if I shutdown and start back up.
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> action09, Never had it crash either.
[07:07] <action09> Madpilot  yes i'm on , i'm still using Ubuntu till Hoary never had a problem, now im' on Breezy with OO and can't use it :(
[07:08] <Mabus06> fangorious, well no, 'ssh <IP_ADDRESS>' does not work
[07:08] <action09> what can i do so ? make a strace ? submit a bug ? reinstall it ?
[07:08] <cvt|kde> sampan, no
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> nbound, Why is it that they eventually slow down?
[07:08] <Madpilot> action09: my mistake, i took "using ubuntu from Hoary" to mean that you were still using Hoary... in any case, I've never had any trouble with OOo
[07:08] <fangorious> Mabus06: so on the target machine you can connect with 'ssh localhost' (logged in and everything) but the netstat command run on the target machine doesn't show anything with LISTEN on port 22, that's really  weird
[07:08] <NCLife> nbound, the last couple of days it was reaally slow.. but now it suddenly became very fast
[07:08] <bodaciousb> ok, nvidia wont install,      how do i install nvidia?
[07:08] <Psi-Jack> action09: You could always try to reinstall OOo, to fix it. I mean, sounds easy enough.
[07:08] <Mabus06> Psi-Jack, you will find more knowledgable people in #ati, but not as alert or helpful unfortunately
[07:09] <sampan> cvt|kde  two ways: /ignore <mask> <type> <option>  (just type /ignore and read the help screen), or go to "window" on menubar, and select "ignore list" and you can add/delete there
[07:09] <nbound> tonyyarusso, well windows generally becomes overloaded with temp files, and if ur not careful viruses and spyware
[07:09] <NCLife> nbound, im trying to find out way so that i can get this speed more often
[07:09] <Psi-Jack> Mabus06: I see. Thanks.
[07:09] <fangorious> obuto: tell bodaciousb about nvidia
[07:09] <Mabus06> fangorious, I ran the netstat command on this computer, sorry
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> nbound, Any good ways to fix that?  (My family still has computers running Windows, and has that problem big time.)
[07:09] <NCLife> why*
[07:10] <nbound> tonyyarusso, u can keep it upto speed by cleaning ur registry, deleting old temp files, defragmenting, regular virus and spyware scans
[07:10] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso: switch to Linux :P
[07:10] <bodaciousb> fangorious, i dont think that bot is in here
[07:10] <K_Dallas> Q: is there a client like gaim which supports at least voice ?
[07:10] <timfrost> !tell bodaciousb -about nvidia
[07:10] <cvt|kde> sampan, i do that and i still see their text . oh well
[07:10] <nbound> K_Dallas, i THINK kopete might
[07:10] <fangorious> helps if i get the name right
[07:10] <Mabus06> fangorious, on the target machine there is indeed a 'listen' entry
[07:10] <Mabus06> for 22
[07:10] <K_Dallas> nbound, i try it thanks
[07:10] <tonyyarusso> nbound, Okay, I know how to defrag, and have Norton and AdAware.  There seem to be temp directories all over though, and I have no idea how to clean the registry.  Any suggestions?
[07:10] <sampan> cvt|kde  even with the <type>?  you have to tell xchat to ignore their msgs regular-chat, etc?
[07:11] <fangorious> ubotu: tell bodaciousb about nvidia
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot, Well, that's what I did, but they're a little slower to catch on.
[07:11] <nbound> regcleanXP is a good registry cleaner
[07:11] <Mabus06> tonyyarusso, that sounds like a windows question to me :P
[07:11] <fangorious> bodaciousb: that work?
[07:11] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso: heh - they'll come around when the next virus hits!
[07:11] <nbound> Norton is WAY TOO BULKY, it slows down the system, there are free lightweight alternatives such as AVG or Avast!
[07:11] <bodaciousb> fangorious, yeah, thanks
[07:11] <Sweetest> !mount
[07:11] <ubotu> mount is, like, totally, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> Mabus06, Well yeah, but where am I going to find a dedicated space of people that know things about how to make Windows work?
[07:11] <Mabus06> #windows ?
[07:12] <Mabus06> #Xp ?
[07:12] <Mabus06> Dunno.
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot, Could be.  I got one of the machines set up dual-boot, so that's a start.
[07:12] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Well, since I got no real resolution to that.. I got another area of need.
[07:12] <fangorious> Mabus06: ok, so we've confirmed that it's running on the target machine, and you can ping the target machine by IP address from the host machine
[07:12] <Mabus06> Just be glad no irritated ops are present, tonyyarusso
[07:12] <nbound> disc cleanup in ur hard drives properties will get rid of ur temp files
[07:12] <ubuntu> hello
[07:12] <Mabus06> fangorious, yes
[07:12] <cvt|kde> sampan, it shows them as being on ignore for all options.
[07:12] <ubuntu> i have a weird problem with my computer, mprime fails everytime, although if i run the ubuntu live cd and reboot mprime can run for days on my installed OS.  It of course does not work if I shutdown and start back up.
[07:12] <Madpilot> later all, need sleep
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> Mabus06, Yeah, I suppose.  It was (fairly) brief anyway.
[07:12] <sampan> cvt|kde  weird -- i use irssi, but i'm gonna test xchat -- so strange
[07:13] <bodaciousb> fangorious, that whole time all i had to do was sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:13] <fangorious> Mabus06: and from the host machine, at the command line, both 'ssh <ip>' and 'telnet <ip> 22' fail to connect
[07:13] <nbound> tonyyarusso, u get all that?
[07:13] <Psi-Jack> I have two conflicting packages that one's installed, one's depended upon by another. libfame is the culprit. How could I take the working, already installed one, and, locally alias it to be the other being desired by the other package?
[07:13] <sampan> cvt|kde  it works on my xchat just fine.
[07:13] <Mabus06> fangorious, correct
[07:13] <capricous> tony, Registry Mechanic is a good (commercial) program to clean up the registry
[07:13] <fangorious> Mabus06: if you leave either long enough, do they time out and give an error?
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> nbound, Yeah.
[07:14] <Mabus06> fangorious, a timeout error yeah
[07:14] <nbound> capricous, regcleanxp is free :)
[07:14] <jamesstansell> gustavo: when you have the universe repository setup you might try installing the eclipse-jdt package
[07:14] <sampan> cvt|kde  it's looking for more than just a nick, it wants a "mask", so if you're using just the nick, try putting a * on the end (e.g., /ignore sampan* ALL)
[07:14] <fangorious> on the target machine, run 'sudo iptables -L'
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> nbound, capricous: Have taken note of those.
[07:15] <nbound> but yeah norton will slow down a windows system like nothing else
[07:15] <gustavo> some use xfce .. with ubuntu??
[07:15] <Mabus06> ok, fangorious
[07:15] <cvt|kde> sampan, if i don't hear from them again i'll know that worked. thx
[07:15] <gustavo> someone use xfce .. with ubuntu??
[07:15] <capricous> tony: be careful with "deep scans" that clean the whole registry as they can cause problems with some programs, especially debuggers
[07:15] <fangorious> gustavo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[07:15] <sampan> cvt|kde  heheheh hope it works!  :D
[07:15] <jamesstansell> gustavo: xubuntu-desktop package in universe
[07:15] <tonyyarusso> gustavo, I tried it, didn't really like it though, so sticking with Gnome.
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> Okay, capricous.
[07:16] <action09> anyway i'll try to reinstall it :) i'm just angry cos on myhome workstation i have problems with OO, and at work none :)
[07:16] <tonyyarusso> All right, now we've entered off-topic territory, so that's as much as I really need.
[07:16] <capricous> tony: one more, there is a free program called CCleaner I used recently
[07:16] <gustavo> but.... the colours seems to be sheat
[07:16] <nbound> !tell nbound about edubuntu
[07:17] <gustavo> caca!
[07:17] <nbound> oops
[07:17] <Mabus06> nbound, you can just type /msg ubotu edubuntu
[07:18] <nbound> Mabus06, ive always wondered what edubuntu was
[07:18] <Mabus06> fangorious, I did what you last said
[07:18] <gustavo> !tell gustavo xubuntu
[07:18] <NCLife> wee, my computer is flying for the first time since ive installed ubuntu
[07:18] <gustavo> !tell gustavo about xubuntu
[07:18] <Erasmus> does anyone know about getting the Toshiba Media Center to work with Ubuntu?
[07:19] <NCLife> could someone tell me how could i find out what was or is making my computer slow?
[07:19] <Blippe> !xubuntu
[07:19] <ubotu> hmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[07:19] <tonyyarusso> For anyone using an IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad (esp. T series, but any responses appreciated): What kind of battery life do you have, and what did you have to do to configure power management for it?
[07:19] <Blippe> gustavo #xubuntu
[07:19] <fangorious> Mabus06: and? with no rules it should give 8 lines of output (3 sets of 2 lines, with blank lines between the sets)
[07:20] <Mabus06> that's what it gives, fangorious
[07:20] <fangorious> NCLife: no real way to see what was making it slow, except to casually observe what you are doing different now
[07:20] <Khisanth> NCLife: would be easier to figure while it's slow :)
[07:20] <dooglus> Mabus06: what if you run "ssh localhost" on the machine where you're running the ssh server?
[07:20] <dooglus> Mabus06: does it ask you to log in?
[07:20] <fangorious> NCLife: but you could run top to see what's consuming CPU or memory when it is running slow
[07:20] <Mabus06> dooglus, yes, it works fine
[07:20] <Locke> does anyone know about the Toshiba Media Center?
[07:20] <dooglus> Mabus06: well, that's something :)
[07:21] <fangorious> Mabus06: do you have tcpdump installed?
[07:21] <Mabus06> fangorious, if you have to explictly install it no
[07:21] <NCLife> fangorious, top? is it a command
[07:21] <dooglus> Mabus06: what happens if you "ssh <whatever>" in a shell on the remote host?
[07:21] <NCLife> oh yeah, nicee
[07:21] <dooglus> Mabus06: where <whatever> is the internal IP address of the ssh server
[07:21] <fangorious> NCLife: yes, run it on a console or terminal
[07:21] <Mabus06> dooglus, internal ip address? Wouldn't know what it is.
[07:22] <NickZA> I get this error when trying to load up phpmyadmin that has just been installed, any ideas ? cannot load mysql extension
[07:22] <Nelo> I have a laptop just inserted a SmartMedia card and Ubuntu does not read it...
[07:22] <NCLife> fangorious, yeah, no i see.. thanks for the tip :)
[07:22] <dooglus> Mabus06: when you run "ifconfig" on the ssh server, what IP address do you see for your network interface?
[07:22] <fangorious> Mabus06: it's the IP address (internal meaning not publically routable over the internet)
[07:22] <SweetestSavage> Question: I'm trying to format my new partition on my hard drive, and in System -> Admin -> Disks, it shows the device located at /dev/hda3. However, when I type sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hda3 it tells me: Could not stat /dev/hda3 --- No such file or directory. What's going on?
[07:23] <UncleD> Anyone here running bind9?
[07:23] <dooglus> Mabus06: something like:    ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr'    is what you're looking for
[07:23] <SweetestSavage> !nvidia
[07:23] <ubotu> nvidia is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[07:23] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, fangorious: Is it possible to view the one that is public over the internet?
[07:23] <UncleD> hey dooglus :)
[07:23] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: rephrase, please?
[07:23] <dooglus> hi Unc!
[07:23] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: depends on the router you're connected through
[07:23] <Mabus06> dooglus, it says <IP_ADDRESS> but the internal IP for my router is <IP_ADDRESS> (are those different values?)
[07:24] <Nelo> I have a laptop just inserted a SmartMedia card and Ubuntu does not read it... is there a way i could see if ubuntu detected the smarmedia card?
[07:24] <dooglus> Mabus06: those are different.
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, A command of some sort to find the public IP of a machine, matching the result given by such sites as www.whatismyip.com, when behind a router.
[07:24] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: my linksys has a web interface
[07:24] <dooglus> Mabus06: what does your router have to do with it?
[07:24] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: your local machine doesn't know its external IP address, I don't think
[07:24] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, Siemens SpeedStream 6520 if that means anything to you.
[07:24] <Mabus06> dooglus, works fine now
[07:24] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: you have to ask a machine that's outside the LAN - hence the "whatsmyip" sites
[07:25] <Mabus06> dooglus, sshing the internal ip from the target that is
[07:25] <fangorious> Mabus06: what IP were you giving before then?
[07:25] <dooglus> Mabus06: so you were trying to connect to the ssh server on your router, instead of on your ssh server?
[07:25] <bshumate> Nelo: open a terminal > type in: tail -f /var/log/syslog  then insert the card and see what kinda relevant message ya get. ;-)
[07:25] <xcall> hallo
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, Odd.  You'd think there would be some way of getting it.  At least by asking the router or something.
[07:26] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: not familiar with it. have you looked at their documentation?
[07:26] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: maybe there is.  but I don't think there's any standard way of getting that info from the router.
[07:26] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: I'm assuming that's a router, and not a cable/dsl modem
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, Haha, you're funny.  You think Bell gave me documentation worth anything.  And if they did it would be Windows-only.
[07:26] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: I can get mine from the router using its http interface, but that means logging in to it first
[07:26] <Nelo> bshumate,  nothing on that log
[07:26] <xcall> good day everbody
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, It's a dsl modem/router.
[07:27] <xcall> good day nelo
[07:27] <Nelo> xcall howdy
[07:27] <Mabus06> fangorious, I can ssh to tristan@localipoftristan
[07:27] <bshumate> Nelo: see anything relevant if you use the command : dmesg ?
[07:27] <Locke> does anyone know about the Toshiba Media Center?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, Do you think it would be simple enough for a developer with a few spare minutes to throw together, or totally not worth the effort?
[07:27] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: so you get assigned a non-routable IP by Bell, and somewhere upstream of your modem is a router with public IP
[07:27] <dooglus> Mabus06: is your problem solved?  or what is the problem if not?
[07:27] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: what?
[07:27] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, Correct.
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, A standard way.
[07:28] <Mabus06> dooglus, I can ssh to the target computer if I use the local ip address of that computer as the ip address... but not if I use it's actual ip address
[07:28] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: I'm going to assume that whatsmyip.com is the simplest way for you then
[07:28] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: I think it would involve replacing all the routers worldwide.
[07:28] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: quite a big job...
[07:28] <fangorious> Mabus06: what is "it's actual ip address"?
[07:28] <Nelo> bshumate, i see this cs: IO port probe 0xa00-0xaff: clean. does it mean anything to u?
[07:28] <Mabus06> fangorious, the one that whatismyip.com says
[07:28] <dooglus> Mabus06: it doesn't have an actual IP address - it's on a LAN, not a WAN, right?
[07:29] <fangorious> Mabus06: that will give you the public IP on the other side of your router
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, dooglus: Well then, that would be a piece of work.
[07:29] <Mabus06> its connected wirelessly to my router that this computer is connected to via ethernet
[07:29] <bshumate> Nelo: nahh...is it a usb interfaced doo-dad that accepts smartmedia?
[07:29] <dooglus> Mabus06: what is your goal?
[07:29] <Mabus06> dooglus, to fool around with ssh and learn how to use it
[07:29] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: dooglus: UPnP can probably give you the router's public IP, probably let you control DHCP leases and static configuration, too, but I always turn it off
[07:29] <Badm4n> need help. i'm using ubuntu 5.10, with internet connection LIMITED ... what the name of packaged so i can monitoring how much bandwitdh that i use .....
[07:30] <dooglus> Mabus06: the router is the only bit of kit with a real IP address
[07:30] <Nelo> bshumate,  yeah I tried this back in previous release and it work. thanks though
[07:30] <Mabus06> dooglus, oh, well that explains something then
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, How do I access that?
[07:30] <dooglus> Mabus06: the other 2 machines are given local addresses 192.168.whatever by the router
[07:30] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, (And what is it?)
[07:30] <dooglus> Mabus06: what you can do is tell the router to forward all incoming connections to port 22 on to the machine with ssh on it
[07:30] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: I don't think you can access the router, it sounds like Bell doesn't want you too (since they directly give you a private IP) and would probably terminate your service if you try
[07:30] <dooglus> Mabus06: then we can all have fun trying to guess your password :)
[07:31] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: UPnP is a network protocol for plug n' play
[07:31] <Mabus06> dooglus, the target computer is only with me temporarily
[07:31] <Mabus06> I'm returning it to my friend who I was fixing it for tommorow.
[07:31] <Mabus06> I'd like to be able to ssh into his computer and mess with his head a bit.
[07:31] <midwinter> hm, when I install samba is there meant to be windows networking options in network settings?
[07:31] <dooglus> Mabus06: if he has a router too, then you'll need to get at that as well.
[07:32] <bshumate> Nelo: yeah, seems like it is not being seen at all...when I plug the same kinda thing in my machine, I get messages in /var/log/syslog like "SCSI subsystem initialized" and "usb-storage: device found at 3", etc... that's the same kinda stuff you should be seeing too
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, Bah.  I actually can access a modem/router setup thing by going to <IP_ADDRESS> in a web browser, if that means anything.
[07:32] <Badm4n> need help. i'm using ubuntu 5.10, with internet connection LIMITED ... what the name of packaged so i can monitoring how much bandwitdh that i use in a month cause if i use mrtg the data is not valid for monthly report :( .....
[07:32] <dooglus> Mabus06: installing the ssh server on a machine is no use if the router won't let you get at it
[07:32] <Mabus06> dooglus, he connects to some poor unencrypted and loud router actually
[07:32] <Mabus06> That isn't his.
[07:32] <dooglus> Mabus06: http://www.portforward.com/ is a good site for telling you how to configure the router
[07:32] <Mabus06> dooglus, yeah, I've been there.
[07:33] <narles> when i try to ./configure libgpod i get this error... checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is require d for intltool
[07:33] <narles> how do i fix this??/
[07:33] <Mabus06> dooglus, the people who own the router he connects to haven't changed the login info for the router, either. :)
[07:33] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: well, maybe the modem has a built-in router, have you looked as seimen's site for docs?
[07:33] <dooglus> Mabus06: you should probably set up the remote desktop too.
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, No, will do that.  What am I looking for?
[07:33] <dooglus> Mabus06: so you can wiggle his mouse, etc.
[07:34] <fangorious> narles: install XML::Parser
[07:34] <Mabus06> dooglus, remote desktop?
[07:34] <dooglus> Mabus06: system>preferences>remote-desktop
[07:34] <dooglus> Mabus06: lets you control his GNOME session remotely
[07:34] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: if have a Products or Support link, search for your modem's model number and hope you get something useful in the search results
[07:34] <dooglus> Mabus06: set a password on it, obviously
[07:35] <dooglus> Mabus06: consider installing 'knockd' too to make it a little safer
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, (I'm not sure what "useful" would be).
[07:35] <Mabus06> dooglus, and how do I use it?
[07:35] <Badm4n> need help. i'm using ubuntu 5.10, with internet connection LIMITED ... what the name of packaged so i can monitoring how much bandwitdh that i use in a month cause if i use mrtg the data is not valid for monthly report :( .....
[07:35] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: anything labeled manual, or guide
[07:35] <dooglus> Mabus06: you use "vncclient"
[07:35] <narles> fangorious, i'm getting alot of results for XML Parser in synaptic manager, is there anything in particular i want to apt-get?
[07:35] <screeble> I'm going to go on holidays soon and wondering what the best way to ssh into my local machine over the internet from a cafe if they don't have a ssh client installed? Anyone know of a good/free web based ssh client?
[07:35] <Mabus06> dooglus, do I have to ssh into his computer first or is this separate?
[07:35] <Nelo> bshumate,  thanks for your time.
[07:36] <bshumate> Nelo: no problem!
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, On another interesting note, I just discovered something in the "Advanced" section of the tool at the modem's IP in the browser.  One of those tabs actually lets me see what I was looking for.  So, it is available, through that method if nothing else.  Any chance other means would then be able to access that information too?
[07:36] <s_spiff> what is a desktop-publisher?
[07:36] <dooglus> Mabus06: this is separate
[07:37] <varsendagger> narles, i had that problem but i think you can apt-get somehting to fix that... maybe try a google search with that stuff in it
[07:37] <Sweetest> Does anyone know how to connect to a local windows network?
[07:37] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, Can you ssh into a modem/router?
[07:37] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: possibly UPnP, but I have no familiarity with that
[07:37] <brandome> any help on firefox wmv playback?
[07:37] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: if it's running sshd
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, I have no idea... got ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> .
[07:38] <Nihil85> hi! i've installed xfce through synaptic. Now how can i decide wich gui to run?
[07:38] <devwal> Could someone help me out with my MacOSX / Ubuntu install on an external firewire drive?
[07:38] <fangorious> narles: not sure,maybe libxml-perl has it
[07:38] <Mabus06> dooglus, error can't open display
[07:38] <C-O-L-T> I have just seen the new imac with intel core duo. I want that :(
[07:38] <fangorious> narles: looks like libxml-perl works in tandem with it though
[07:38] <C-O-L-T> it is so beautifull
[07:38] <tonyyarusso> Anyone familiar with UPnP, to answer a question about routers/public IP?
[07:38] <varsendagger> brandome, install mplayer and mozimplayer both on ubuntu multiverse
[07:38] <dooglus> Mabus06: when you run what?
[07:38] <Mabus06> dooglus, that's after I type 'vncviewer <IP_ADDRESS>'
[07:38] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: that answer's that
[07:38] <dooglus> Mabus06: did you set up the remote desktop?
[07:38] <Mabus06> dooglus, yep
[07:39] <bshumate> Nihil85: easy, just log out, click the session selector and choose Xfce
[07:39] <dooglus> Mabus06: hmmm
[07:39] <apollyon> i hate to just inject myself midconversation, but i was wondering if ubuntu has some bleeding edge devel files?
[07:39] <fangorious> narles: or maybe libxml-parser-perl
[07:39] <apollyon> I'd like to try firefox1.5 among others :)
[07:39] <dooglus> Mabus06: don't try "vncviewer localhost" on his machine.  it can crash X
[07:40] <devwal> Could someone help me out with my MacOSX / Ubuntu install on an external firewire drive?
[07:40] <dooglus> Mabus06: you're running that vncviewer inside an ssh connection, aren't you?
[07:40] <narles> thanks fangorious, it's working
[07:40] <fangorious> anyone know if konqueror (web browsing) has an autoscroll mode like middle-click in firefox and internet explorer
[07:40] <fangorious> ?
[07:40] <dooglus> Mabus06: you need to run it on the remote machine, outside of ssh
[07:41] <timfrost> ! tell apollyon -about ff1.5
[07:41] <ubotu> timfrost: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[07:41] <Blippe> !ff1.5
[07:41] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:42] <capricous> brandome: you can try the vlc firefox plugin, vlc rocks =)
[07:42] <Mabus06> dooglus, how come I can't gedit files through ssh? Do I have to copy them first, edit them out of ssh, and then put them back, edited?
[07:43] <apollyon> thank you
[07:43] <aithnea> I have just installed the 64 bit Ubuntu and got a SIOCGIFFLAGS error, what does this mean?  Thanks for the help
[07:44] <julian> anyone here familiar with vmware? how do i browse my windows files?
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> siemens site: "6520 is only sold in Australia".    Aargh.
[07:44] <fangorious> Mabus06: you could vi them, or you could use -X when connecting to setup X tunneling through the ssh connection
[07:45] <timfrost> julian, what are you actually tryimg to do?
[07:45] <tonyyarusso> Might still be something useful here though.
[07:45] <julian> play my mp3
[07:45] <Mabus06> fangorious, so 'ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-X' ?
[07:45] <julian> in ubuntu, but their saved on my windows desktop
[07:46] <fangorious> Mabus06: ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:46] <Mabus06> fangorious, thanks
[07:46] <fangorious> julian: you have dual-boot?
[07:46] <fangorious> julian: or Windows installed under vmware?
[07:47] <julian> i have ubuntu installed using vmware
[07:47] <NickZA> can anyone recommend a good reference for a newbie mysql user, how to create databases etc etc ?
[07:47] <fangorious> julian: did you install it allowing network access? because then you could share the folder in windows, and mount it in ubuntu
[07:47] <Mabus06> fangorious, oh that's pretty cool actually
[07:48] <god> How do I compile using 64 bit?
[07:48] <god> instead of a 32 bit program I want a 64.
[07:48] <fangorious> Mabus06: you can also use -C # to set compression, where # is 0-9, with 9 being max compression
[07:48] <julian> yea i have network access
[07:48] <RememberPOL> How do internet backbones on different continents maintain a state of connection?
[07:48] <julian> how would i mount
[07:48] <fangorious> Mabus06: that can help improve performance of tunneling X when on a slow link
[07:49] <Mabus06> fangorious, any disadvantages to that?
[07:49] <dooglus> Mabus06: you can't run any X programs through ssh by default
[07:49] <dooglus> Mabus06: if you use "ssh -X" instead, then you can
[07:49] <fangorious> julian: sudo mount -t cifs //winhostname/share /mount/point
[07:49] <julian> let me try
[07:50] <timfrost> RememberPOL, they use a routing information exchange protocol to advertise that 'network x is over here'
[07:50] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, How does it know which display's X stuff to send?
[07:50] <fangorious> julian: where /mount/point is the folder you want the mp3s to show up in, and already exists before the mount command (and is hopefully empty, as you won't be able to see the local contents after the mount)
[07:50] <fangorious> Mabus06: higher compression uses more CPU power
[07:50] <Mabus06> fangorious, on both computers?
[07:50] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: the machine which you run the ssh client on has DISPLAY set.  it uses that DISPLAY variable.
[07:50] <fangorious> Mabus06: yes, because the remote host has to uncompress
[07:51] <brandome> whats the install for that pluglin
[07:51] <brandome> i know it rocks
[07:51] <brandome> you use it for DVD too?
[07:51] <fangorious> julian: you might also want to put '-o username=winusername' at the end of the mount command
[07:51] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: on the remote machine, if you look at the value of $DISPLAY, you'll see it's something like localhost:10 - that somehow ends up going through the secure tunnel to the ssh client, which displays it on your local host
[07:51] <julian> ok
[07:52] <god> How do I make a C++ program compile and use 64 bits?
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, So it would just put it on your default?  (As in, if you have an ssh connection on tty2 with -X, and try to run a graphical program on the remote computer, it will open on your desktop?)
[07:52] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: yes
[07:52] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: wait - is tty2 a virtual console?
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, Cool.  (Yes.)
[07:52] <NickZA> can anyone help me with phpmyadmin please ?
[07:53] <RememberPOL> Thanks
[07:53] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: ssh opens a port that it listens on and sets DISPLAY to that port, and the forwards packets to the X server on the machine you're connecting from
[07:53] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: virtual consoles don't have $DISPLAY set
[07:53] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: so it won't work
[07:53] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: if it's a terminal that you can run 'xclock' in and see a clock displayed locally, then you can 'ssh -X' and run the clock remotely
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, so I'd have to do it on tty7 (Where my desktop is).
[07:53] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: correct
[07:53] <julian> how do i give myself administrator privileges
[07:54] <NickZA> can anyone help me with phpmyadmin please ?
[07:54] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: or maybe set DISPLAY to localhost:0 on tty2 before running the ssh command (never tried that)
[07:54] <god> How do I make a C++ program compile and use 64 bits?
[07:54] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: or set DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY in your virtual console
[07:54] <Mabus06> fangorious, will the ssh server start up automatically each time I start the comp?
[07:54] <timfrost> ! tell julian -about sudo
[07:54] <ubotu> timfrost: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, fangorious: Odd question: Could I make something open on the remote computer's display?  (Such that I wouldn't see it, but I could make it pop up for that computer's user.)
[07:54] <fangorious> julian: sudo gpasswd -a username adm
[07:54] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, dooglus: How would I set that?
[07:55] <dooglus> fangorious: setting DISPLAY isn't enough, due to X server authentification.  you need to either set XAUTHORITY to the right value, or turn off X's authorisation
[07:55] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: possibly, depends on the xhost permissions on that machine
[07:55] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: look in a terminal inside GNOME.  that will have the right value in XAUTHORITY
[07:55] <julian> sweet thanks
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, If it's allowed, do you know how to do it?  And/or how to make it allowed?
[07:55] <god> How do I make a C++ program compile and use 64 bits?
[07:55] <apollyon> usethe 64bit version of C++
[07:56] <god> how?
[07:56] <SweetestSavage> Does anyone know what the name of this library is: ./stepmania: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:56] <fangorious> Mabus06: it might, but to be sure you can run 'sudo update-rc.d ssh on' and it should create S##ssh symlinks in the /etc/rc?.d folders
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, I don't know anything about these variables, so I don't know how to view or set them, fyi.
[07:56] <apollyon> do you have a 64bit OS?
[07:56] <god> Yeah
[07:56] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: you would set DISPLAY to be "localhost:0" - and if the remote machine's X server is poorly configured it will let you pop up windows
[07:56] <fangorious> SweetestSavage: have you googled it?
[07:56] <apollyon> then it will compile it as such
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, But how does on "set DISPLAY"?
[07:56] <apollyon> as long as you have the corresponding 64bit libraries
[07:57] <SweetestSavage> fangorious, no I didn't know that was an efficient way of finding packages, I will try that, thanks
[07:57] <apollyon> which should come with your install
[07:57] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: one runs "export DISPLAY=localhost:0"
[07:57] <fangorious> SweetestSavage: well, it might tell you what that lib is packaged with, then you can run apt-cache search to see if there's a package for it inthe repos
[07:58] <dooglus> SweetestSavage: there's no libavformat.so in ubuntu.  you've got binaries for the wrong distro I'd guess
[07:58] <Mabus06> fangorious, can you check that command for a typo? it only gave me the usage for the command
[07:58] <Mabus06> sudo update-rc.d ssh on
[07:58] <SweetestSavage> dooglus, nah I've had it working before.. it's StepMania again, I had to reformat with 32-bit Ubuntu
[07:58] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: or if you use csh/tcsh you would run 'setenv DISPLAY localhost:0' (but most distros default to bash, so dooglus's command would work)
[07:58] <SweetestSavage> dooglus, or wait.. well you might be right =)
[07:58] <dooglus> SweetestSavage: heh.  it's you again, eh?  :)
[07:58] <dooglus> still dancin'?
[07:59] <SweetestSavage> dooglus, haha, yep.  Ah well.
[07:59] <SweetestSavage> dooglus, haha, yep of course.
[07:59] <Badm4n> need help. i'm using ubuntu 5.10, with internet connection LIMITED ... what the name of packaged so i can monitoring how much bandwitdh that i use in a month cause if i use mrtg the data is not valid for monthly report :( .....
[07:59] <fangorious> Mabus06: use defaults instead of on
[07:59] <SweetestSavage> It's a special binary of Linux, suppose I'll just go get another version of the program
[07:59] <devwal> can anyone help me install ubuntu on my external firewire drive -- OS X?
[07:59] <apollyon> install gcc-4.0-base, gcc-4.0,  g++-4.0,
[07:59] <devwal> Puhleez?
[07:59] <SweetestSavage> dooglus, there IS a libavformat-dev, is it possible to build a working library from this?
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, fangorious: Okay, I think I got that.  How do I view it still though?
[07:59] <Mabus06> fangorious, already exist, I assume that means it already starts up by default?
[07:59] <fangorious> Mabus06: yes
[08:00] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: well, you can't put it on two DISPLAYs (that I'm aware of)
[08:00] <dooglus> tonyyarusso: view what?  the current value?  you "printenv DISPLAY"
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> dooglus, Yes, that's what I meant.
[08:00] <fangorious> tonyyarusso: I would think creating a file on their desktop titled "i'm watching you" would be more unnerving than random apps starting
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, All right.  That would be cool, but I can use VNC when I need that.
[08:01] <timfrost> tonyyarusso, dooglus, SSH uses :10 by default.
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> fangorious, I like it.  I like it a lot.
[08:01] <ardchoille> How does one install xfce in Ubuntu 5.10? Is there a single package that I can install that will bring all of the xfce desktop with it? Or, do I need to track down deps?
[08:01] <Mabus06> lol tonyyarusso are we both up to the same hijinx?
[08:01] <dooglus> ardchoille: "xubuntu-desktop"
[08:01] <fangorious> the port can be changed in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:01] <tonyyarusso> Mabus06, Close.
[08:02] <ardchoille> dooglus: Thank you :)
[08:02] <dooglus> ardchoille: welcome.  try it, it's nicely put together :)
[08:02] <s_spiff> ! psi
[08:02] <ubotu> s_spiff: I don't know
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> Mabus06, I would mainly be using remote access things to help teach a friend a new OS, but I might as well have some fun while I'm at it, right?
[08:02] <jiangguowei_> accessories/dictionary,it report:cannot connect to server .How can I use this ?
[08:02] <Mabus06> tonyyarusso, same here :)
[08:03] <s_spiff> anyone ? whats a psi? the desklet gui, talks of desklets with psi themes..or based on psi something..
[08:03] <fangorious> well, i'm turning in for the night, good luck all!
[08:03] <Mabus06> thanks a ton fangorious
[08:03] <Mabus06> you too dooglus
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> Mabus06, Sweet.
[08:03] <fangorious> s_spiff: psi is a jabber app written in qt. psi.sf.net
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> Goodnight fangorious, thanks.
[08:04] <s_spiff> umm ok..
[08:04] <Badm4n> need help. i'm using ubuntu 5.10, with internet connection LIMITED ... what the name of packaged so i can monitoring how much bandwitdh that i use in a month cause if i use mrtg the data is not valid for monthly report :( .....
[08:05] <timfrost> Badm4n, what is wrong with the mrtg data?
[08:06] <i_am> any girl in thsi side
[08:06] <XiCillin> anybody use mldonkey
[08:06] <XiCillin> ?
[08:07] <devwal> can anyone help me install ubuntu on my external firewire drive -- OS X?
[08:09] <julian> wats better mplayer or vlc player
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> julian, I like vlc for the simplicity of its interface, but mplayer is well-functional.
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> julian, I actually use both, depending on my mood.
[08:10] <julian> tony, how did u install mplayer
[08:10] <julian> its been a pain
[08:10] <Mabus06> how do I find my computer's local ip?
[08:11] <K_Dallas> why not install both and see if for oneself?
[08:11] <glyph> where do I set my locale to specify that I want to use UTF-8?
[08:11] <julian> i have vlc
[08:11] <tonyyarusso> julian: sudo apt-get install mplayer-386.
[08:12] <julian> but cant intall mplayer
[08:12] <tonyyarusso> julian, What's your error?
[08:12] <K_Dallas> canot you dont want to
[08:13] <XiCillin> anybody know how to configure mldonkey and its core
[08:14] <SweetestSavage> Does anyone know how to connect to a local windows network? Via terminal?
[08:14] <K_Dallas> Q: how can i make nautilus to show the complete path in its bar and not just tabs of ech folder?
[08:14] <timfrost> Mabus06, depends on what you mean.  The IP on your actual ethernet card is shown by ipconfig eth0.  If your ADSL/CABLE/Whatever is hidng the IP address behind a NAT, try http://www.myipaddress.com/
[08:15] <Badm4n> mrtg cannot give me the valid total usages...
[08:15] <julian> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:15] <julian> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:15] <Badm4n> timfrost, mrtg cannot give me the valid total usages...
[08:15] <tonyyarusso> julian: Are you trying to use apt through the command line while Synaptic is open?
[08:16] <julian> cool its dl
[08:16] <Badm4n> need help. i'm using ubuntu 5.10, with internet connection LIMITED ... what the name of packaged so i can monitoring how much bandwitdh that i use in a month cause if i use mrtg the data is not valid for monthly report :( .....
[08:17] <Badm4n> any1 ? have a information for me ?
[08:17] <nnonix> Anyone have any insight into a keyboard problem I'm having where the C, G & H keys are entering cryptic info while all the other keys work fine. For example, pressing the C key results in "BC" being entered.
[08:18] <tomaj> Is it possible to use ubuntu for network load balancing using two NICs?
[08:18] <yggdrasil_> whats up guys
[08:18] <specialbuddy> how do I bring up root
[08:18] <tomaj> nnonix, you have entered the wrong keyboard into settings
[08:18] !lilo:*! small regional server routing died, about 50 users affected
[08:18] <tomaj> specialbuddy, you use sudo
[08:18] <specialbuddy> ok
[08:18] !lilo:*! and I swallowed some toothpaste, but you don't care about that :)
[08:19] <nnonix> tomaj: setup defaults which should be correct. I don't know, but figured that if the keyboard layout was incorrect more than 3 keys would be messed up.
[08:19] <specialbuddy> I need to open it from the run command
[08:19] <dooglus> Badm4n: I've been trying to find out how to measure network usage for some time now.  Nobody seems to have a good answer.
[08:19] <specialbuddy> I need a console of some sort
[08:19] <SweetestSavage> Question: With winrar, you can make two-parted or however-many parted files, example, winrar.part1.rar, how do you extract these kind of files with archive manager?
[08:19] <tonyyarusso> For anyone using an IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad (esp. T series, but any responses appreciated): What kind of battery life do you have, and what did you have to do to configure power management for it?
[08:20] <ajmitch> Badm4n: I'd use ipac-ng or similar ip accounting software
[08:20] <nnonix> tomaj: or am I incorrect?
[08:20] <tomaj> nnonix, i'm not sure. it just sounded to me like it might be a keyboard setup error
[08:20] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to get to a console?
[08:20] <tonyyarusso> specialbuddy, Either Ctrl-Alt-F1 (F7 to return),
[08:20] <tomaj> nnonix, just check to make sure
[08:21] <tonyyarusso> specialbuddy, Or use gnome-terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal).
[08:21] !lilo:*! pruning some dlines, expect the odd bot
[08:21] <julian> wats the command to get fonts
[08:21] <tomaj> !fonts
[08:21] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[08:21] <Stork> so does gnome support print screen?
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> specialbuddy, By default ttys 1-6 are consoles, and 7 is your first graphical display, with others you open after that (Such as through Applications > System > New Login) opening on 8 and so on.
[08:22] <tomaj> Stork, what do you mean?
[08:22] <Stork> how can i take a screenshot of my game on ubuntu
[08:22] <tomaj> Is it possible to use ubuntu for network load balancing using two NICs?
[08:22] <Locke> does anyone know anything about the Toshiba Media Center?
[08:22] <tomaj> Stork, print screen button should work
[08:22] <tonyyarusso> Stork, Yes.
[08:23] <tonyyarusso> Stork, You can also do something with export for screenshots.  (Would have to look it up.)
[08:23] <Badm4n> dooglus, so i cant monitoring how much my traffic usages ? :(
[08:23] <specialbuddy> awesome
[08:23] <Stork> and then i paste in an application?
[08:23] <specialbuddy> just learned a bunch tonyya
[08:23] <Stork> also how can i switch from my full screen program back to the desktop?
[08:23] <Badm4n> ajmitch, ipac-ng ? is this can be used to monitoring my bandwidth usages monthly or weekly ?
[08:23] <tonyyarusso> Stork, Mine actually went to "Save screenshot as" by default, but yeah, I'm sure you can do whatever you need to.
[08:23] <tomaj> Stork, try opening a program to alt tab to
[08:23] <ajmitch> Badm4n: yes
[08:24] <ajmitch> Badm4n: assuming you set it up correctly
[08:24] <KeithWeisshar> I'm having a problem with the ubuntu dvd that i burned at 4x
[08:24] <KeithWeisshar> it's unreadable when i insert the dvd
[08:24] <jiangguowei_> accessories/dictionary,it report:cannot connect to server .How can I use this ?
[08:25] <Stork> tomaj, alt-tap doesn't work
[08:25] <Badm4n> ajmitch, when i use this ipac-ng .. is i need to re setup my iptbles ?
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> Stork, With the export thing, you do it on a command line, so you can do things like say on a virtual console that you want a screenshot of display 1 thirty seconds from now, so you have time to arrange things how you want them.
[08:25] <Mabus06> what's the converse command for startx
[08:25] <tomaj> Stork, did you try having a program open in the bg?
[08:25] <KeithWeisshar> my dvd burner locks up when i reload the burned dvd
[08:25] <ajmitch> Badm4n: it uses iptables to keep track of data usage
[08:25] <tomaj> Mabus06, killall xorg
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> tomaj: What is it that you are telling him about with alt tab?
[08:25] <tomaj> tonyyarusso, to get out of a fullscreen program
[08:25] <Stork> if i do ctrl+alt+f1 how do i get back to the gnome screen?
[08:25] <Badm4n> Starting IP Accounting: Error in config file near line 8: syntax error
[08:25] <Badm4n> ipac-ng.
[08:25] <tonyyarusso> tomaj, Oh, I see.
[08:26] <tomaj> Stork, F7
[08:26] <Mabus06> thanks Toma-
[08:26] <Mabus06> tomaj that is
[08:26] <tomaj> Mabus06, np
[08:26] <Stork> ah
[08:26] <tomaj> Mabus06, if you just want to restart use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[08:26] <tomaj> Mabus06, restart x that is
[08:26] !lilo:*! Thanks to everyone for your concern. I'm drinking lots of water. :)
[08:26] <Mabus06> tomaj nah, I need to do it via the console
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> Stork, You can also (depending on the program, but often works) put it on another workspace, and have a keyboard shortcut for switching workspaces, this leaving it up full screen and easily accessible, but being able to get it out of the way and see other stuff quickly.
[08:27] <tonyyarusso> Stork, Ctrl-Alt-F7, that is of course.
[08:27] <tomaj> Stork, tonyyarusso's idea is actually better than mine
[08:27] <Stork> my ubuntu just crashed ;(
[08:27] <tomaj> Is it possible to use ubuntu for network load balancing using two NICs?
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> Stork, Actually, just Alt-F7 will do it; you only need Ctrl when leaving a graphical display.
[08:28] <Stork> oh ok
[08:28] <tonyyarusso> Stork, Uh oh, how?
[08:28] <Stork> i was playing quake and it froze, so i hit ctrl
[08:28] <ITSa341> anyone willing to help with ndiswrapper?
[08:28] <Stork> i was playing quake and it froze, so i hit ctrl+alt+f1, and nothing happened, so i did a manual restart
[08:29] <SweetestSavage> Does anyone know how to connect to a local windows network? Via terminal?
[08:29] <Set> Does anyone know what promiscuous mode on a wlan card is?
[08:29] <NickZA> ok 2 hrs of googling and im no closer to a solution, can someone pls help me with a myphpadmin error ? cannot load mysql extension
[08:29] <timfrost> !tell timfrost -about freeformats
[08:29] <tomaj> Set, basically your card starts to pimp itself out for money
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> SweetestSavage, Use samba.
[08:30] <sampan> set, it means it's had one too many drinks and will follow home any guy with a bad pickup line that dares to make a pass
[08:30] <tomaj> and tries to fuck as many hecards as possible
[08:30] <SweetestSavage> tonyyarusso, thanks
[08:30] <Mabus06> tomaj, the killall xorg comand didnt work
[08:31] <tomaj> Mabus06, are you using xorg?
[08:31] <boogie> where do i go to learn how to work linux?
[08:31] <Mabus06> Tomaj I assume so
[08:31] <tomaj> try killall x
[08:31] <boogie> they say linux is better than windows?
[08:31] <SweetestSavage> tonyyarusso, how do I use it?
[08:31] <Stork> so how can i make my print screen button save automatically to a file?
[08:31] <Mabus06> tomaj doesn't work either
[08:31] <tomaj> boogie, for reasons other than userfriendlyness
[08:32] <tomaj> Mabus06, i dont know then, killall xorg works for me
[08:32] <tomaj> Is it possible to use ubuntu for network load balancing using two NICs?
[08:32] <boogie> can you play windows based games?
[08:32] <specialbuddy> boogie, yeah
[08:32] <tomaj> boogie you can using cedega
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> SweetestSavage, Now that there is an entirely different can of worms.  First, I'll give you the caveat that I first learned about it last month, mainly from cdubya, so my knowledge base is sketchy at best.
[08:32] <SweetestSavage> tonyyarusso, alrighty
[08:32] <Stork> so how can i make my print screen button save automatically to a file?
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> SweetestSavage, The wiki from !samba will at least get you started.
[08:33] <SweetestSavage> !samba
[08:33] <ubotu> somebody said samba was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[08:33] <boogie> i just tried loading half life 2 and it wouldn't play
[08:33] <specialbuddy> boogie, you can but it's not always easy, I have been trying to play a dvd all night and have had no luck
[08:33] <julian> how do u integrate mplayer into firefox
[08:33] <Mabus06> tomaj, it's in a login shell via ssh I should specify
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> SweetestSavage, After that, man smb, smbclient, smb.conf, etc.
[08:33] <boogie> its driving me nuts
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> SweetestSavage, My main issues were figuring out what to put in smb.conf.
[08:33] <tomaj> Mabus06, do you have permission to shut down xorg through ssh?
[08:33] <tomaj> oh Mabus06 make sure you use sudo
[08:33] <boogie> but my windows has screwed up again, so i'm stuck here
[08:34] <Mabus06> tomaj, did use sudo
[08:34] <boogie> what is cedega?
[08:34] <tomaj> Mabus06, maybe you just dont have permission to killall through ssh
[08:34] <cafuego> whut?
[08:34] <tonyyarusso> boogie: Sorry, noone really answered your initial question.  I'll see if I can pull up something for initial learning...
[08:34] <Set> sampan, tomaj, wow. now I know it all. thanks!
[08:34] <specialbuddy> cedega costs money
[08:34] <Mabus06> tomaj, I did use the -X option to ssh
[08:34] <ssstormy> does anyone know of a repositry that has cvs mplayer?
[08:35] <cafuego> specialbuddy: Windows costs more.
[08:35] <tomaj> Set, any time
[08:35] <ITSa341> grrrr   anyone got time to help me with a D-Link dwl-g122  ??
[08:35] <Mabus06> ITSa341, what's the problem? I have a similar model.
[08:35] <tonyyarusso> boogie, Cedega lets you play certain Windows games under linux, but isn't free.  (But like cafuego said...)
[08:35] <tomaj> cafuego, windows works better for games
[08:35] <sampan> set, ;)  i think though, the principle is the same: your card will accept (or is actively looking for?) any connection/signal it can find
[08:35] <cafuego> tomaj: Rebooting sucks.
[08:35] <specialbuddy> that's true
[08:35] <tomaj> cafuego, performance doesnt
[08:35] <specialbuddy> I just want to play a dvd
[08:35] <Mabus06> tomaj, bill gates does
[08:36] <cafuego> tomaj: The games I play works fine in Cedega.
[08:36] <boogie> hahaha
[08:36] <tomaj> Mabus06, theres no denying that
[08:36] <jiangguowei_> accessories/dictionary,it report:cannot connect to server .How can I use this ?
[08:36] <OX> and windows costs a ton more in HD space, and reb00ting eats it
[08:36] <tonyyarusso> specialbuddy, What's your issue with a dvd?
[08:36] <tomaj> cafuego, it didnt for me thats why i installed windows
[08:36] <OX> id rather use cedega and take the small performance hit
[08:36] <tomaj> plus windows is free as far as im concerned
[08:36] <specialbuddy> it won't play
[08:36] <ITSa341> Mabus   I can get it to load the module and even find an ap but no connection no matter what I try
[08:36] <cafuego> tomaj: Your soul is free?
[08:36] <tomaj> Is it possible to use ubuntu for network load balancing using two NICs?
[08:37] <tomaj> cafuego, i have none
[08:37] <tonyyarusso> boogie, For command line stuff, check out the links in !cli, as well as using <anycommand> --help and man <anycommand> for more information about it.
[08:37] <cafuego> tomaj: Just use bonding
[08:37] <tomaj> cafuego, well i dont really believe in soul per se
[08:37] <tomaj> cafuego, bonding?
[08:37] <boogie> thanks...but i shall return
[08:37] <cafuego> Yes, make linux think both nics are in fact a single nic.
[08:37] <tonyyarusso> tomaj, How is it free for you?  (I had to buy it with my computer, so it wasn't a choice expenditure, but not free either.)
[08:38] <mae> how can you make sed replace changes in the same stream its reading from
[08:38] <cafuego> -i (inplace)
[08:38] <tomaj> tonyyarusso, i cant say that
[08:38] <mae> cafuego you rock!
[08:38] <mae> :)
[08:38] <tonyyarusso> boogie, We look forward to seeing you back.
[08:38] <cafuego> (I think!)
[08:38] <ITSa341> Mabus06 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7058  when I get to number 6 I get errors
[08:38] <cafuego> mae: test that first
[08:39] <mae> cafuego: i tested the sed script on stdout
[08:39] <specialbuddy> windows is free if you get a free copy
[08:39] <mae> works like a charm
[08:39] <specialbuddy> haha
[08:39] <Mabus06> ITSa341, my dlink card worked without drivers
[08:39] <Mabus06> ITSa341, are you sure it's configured properly in network-admin ?
[08:39] <mae> grep -lRi '<script language="javascript">' ./ | xargs sed 's/<script language="javascript">/<script language="javascript" type="text\/javascript">/g'
[08:39] <tomaj> Is it possible to use ubuntu for network load balancing using two NICs?
[08:39] <tonyyarusso> specialbuddy, And by what completely non-legal means are you doing that?
[08:40] <ITSa341> Mabus06  I configured it and activated it.
[08:40] <tomaj> specialbuddy, shh
[08:40] <tomaj> specialbuddy, answering tonyyarusso would be unwise
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> specialbuddy, (If you are.  Sorry to seem accusatory if it was a general comment.)
[08:40] <specialbuddy> well I go to a school where everyone gets laptops so there are lots of copies floating around
[08:40] <Mabus06> ITSa341, configured it properly is the key though :) make sure all the settings on your router match what you setup in network admin
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> tomaj, You make a good point.  I'm not any sort of Microsoft police, but I suppose you don't know that, do you?
[08:41] <tomaj> tonyyarusso, its just unwise to even suggest anything along those terms in public
[08:41] <ITSa341> Mabus06  using the same configurations with this card and I'm here now  :-)
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> tomaj, Point granted.
[08:42] <julian> how do i intergrate mplayer into firefox
[08:42] <specialbuddy> !firefox
[08:42] <specialbuddy> !firefox1.5
[08:42] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> julian, You'll need the plugin.
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> julian, The 1.5 wiki just referenced talks about the plugin, and removing the totem one, so that should start you off.
[08:43] <ITSa341> Mabus06  this is a usb adapter if that helps at all
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> julian, The package name is mozilla-mplayer.
[08:44] <julian> ok
[08:44] <capricous> julian, vlc is good too
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> (It's in multiverse.)
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> Can mplayer let you fit something to the screen size?  Simply choosing full screen just blacks out the rest of the screen around it, rather than expanding.
[08:45] <capricous> tony, you can probley force the image size while @ full screen - at least you can in VLC
[08:47] <sixslap> can anyone here help me
[08:47] <sixslap> hmmmm guess not
[08:47] <tonyyarusso> capricous, Yeah, I've done it in VLC, wondering how it's done if it is in mp.
[08:49] <julian> ok how do i install from tar file
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> julian, If it's a theme there's a different process, but I can walk you through general program installs.
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> julian, Or you can see !source and !compile for information.
[08:51] <capricous> tony, I would like to know also, I tried to "make" a file and it gave me a "gcc compile error" and so I "install gcc" and now when I do "make" it just gives me "directory not found" errors all over the place
[08:52] <capricous> I was trying to install oss2jack but I may want emu10k1 instead
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> julian, Is it .tar.bz2 or .tar.gz?
[08:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Oy - anyone know of a packaged set of Elvish fonts? :D
[08:56] <capricous> I know there are fonts that are made after the lord of the rings language on the swords and rings, but I don't remember the name of the language
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> Uh, that would be a no, PuMpErNiCkLe.  Sorry.
[08:57] <Mabus06> PuMpErNiCkLe, wow, very nerdy ;-)
[08:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> capricous: Do you know of a package in the repos that has them?
[08:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Mabus06: Yes, thank you :)
[08:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I'm trying to make a new login theme with the eye of sauron surrounded by the ring instead of the ubuntu logo.
[08:58] <timfrost> capricous. have you installed buid-esential?
[08:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> And around that, on a black background, the words "Dudester" written in Elvish like a ring-projected glow.
[08:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> *word
[08:58] <selinium> PuMpErNiCkLe, http://www.sci.fi/~alboin/tengwartutorial.htm   look in google!
[08:59] <capricous> timfrost: no I havn't but I used apt-get to install make and gcc
[08:59] <PuMpErNiCkLe> selinium: Been there, done that... I was hoping for an official package.
[09:00] <Hmmmm>  hey guys i have an app that needs to use /dev/ptyXX, nay idea how i can get it going in breezy?
[09:01] <refuze2looze> firefox keeps crashing on me when there's embedded media.. is there a way to fix this, or disable embedded media?
[09:02] <timfrost> capricous, build-essential covers the other tools as well.  Yyou need the dependant -dev packages that the thing you are compilig requires
[09:02] <selinium> PuMpErNiCkLe, http://www.acondia.com/font_tengwar/index.html  maybe?
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> refuze2looze, Are you using the totem, mplayer, or vlc plugin?
[09:03] <lyggdrasi> whats up
[09:03] <capricous> timfrost: I see, I'll try installing it all then
[09:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> selinium: nm, I found an online app that transcribes them and outputs as .png :O
[09:03] <selinium> PuMpErNiCkLe, cool!
[09:03] <lyggdrasi> can somone point me to a how to on dual montitor xorg.conf ?
[09:03] <lyggdrasi> how you doing selinium
[09:03] <refuze2looze> tonyyarusso, vlc
[09:03] <selinium> lyggdrasi, not bad, you?
[09:04] <refuze2looze> tonyyarusso, with the mozplugger plugin
[09:04] <lyggdrasi> just kickn it
[09:04] <lyggdrasi> you remember me i had the p900
[09:04] <PuMpErNiCkLe> selinium: Amazingly cool... I'm in awe right now :D
[09:04] <timfrost> capricous, try 'sudo apt-get install build-dep oss2jack
[09:04] <timfrost> '
[09:04] <selinium> lyggdrasi, cool! Yep How could I forget the tree of life? :)
[09:05] <lyggdrasi> roger
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> refuze2looze, Hmm, I haven't heard of any issues with that, but you could try switching it and see if it helps.
[09:05] <capricous> timfrost: thanks much, I'll try that
[09:05] <lyggdrasi> so any chace on getting some help with dual xorg.conf ?
[09:06] <Mabus06> dual xorg.conf?
[09:06] <refuze2looze> tonyyarusso, i've tried and it didn't help
[09:06] <Mabus06> do you mean 'dual head'?
[09:06] <lyggdrasi> uh eh xorg.conf for dual monitors
[09:06] <timfrost> capricous, good luck :)
[09:06] <lyggdrasi> with 2 diffent cards
[09:06] <Mabus06> lyggdrasi, 2 different cards? Nope sorry. I have two monitors on one card.
[09:06] <lyggdrasi> yea
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> refuze2looze, So it's independent of plugin?  Okay...
[09:07] <refuze2looze> tonyyarusso, i've tried the mplayer plugin and i had the same problem
[09:07] <tonyyarusso> refuze2looze, I'm afraid that was the only idea I had.
[09:10] <refuze2looze> why isn't firefox 1.5 on the repositories yet?
[09:10] <timfrost> capricous, what source for oss2jack are you using?  I can't find a source for it, so can't get build-dep
[09:10] <selinium> PuMpErNiCkLe, Take a look at the unrtf application. Converts rtf font to other formats.
[09:10] <knubbe> refuze2looze:  there are problems with it.
[09:11] <tonyyarusso> refuze2looze, Also because Ubuntu policy is to only include new software in the currently under development release (Dapper), and rely on users moving what they want to backports, so the development team can concentrate their efforts.
[09:12] <refuze2looze> is it available in the backports?
[09:13] <julian> can anyone help me install vmware tools?
[09:13] <Mez> refuze2looze, it's not in backports no - but there are pages on the wiki on howto install the new firefox (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> selinium: okay
[09:13] <tonyyarusso> How can I use apt-cache search to only check versions in a particular repo?
[09:14] <skapl> is there a ubuntu network install?
[09:14] <selinium> PuMpErNiCkLe, Saying that, i just downloaded one of the fonts, and it has rtf and ttf in the zip file
[09:14] <refuze2looze> Mez, thanks
[09:14] <tonyyarusso> skapl, What exactly do you mean by that?
[09:15] <s_spiff{away}> guys need help
[09:15] <tonyyarusso> Just ask, s_spiff{away}.
[09:15] <s_spiff{away}>  i 'm trying to view a blog.. but i cant..
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> selinium: awesome
[09:15] <julian> how do u install vmware tools
[09:16] <skapl> network install
[09:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> selinium: I can work on my theme now :)
[09:16] <timfrost> julian, what Host and what guest OS?
[09:16] <selinium> Cool! Have fun! :)
[09:16] <julian> host is xp guest ubuntu 5.10
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> skapl, Server install, installing on a computer from a network, installing and setting up computers to be uniform on a network, ?
[09:17] <skapl> installing on a computer from a network,
[09:17] <nbound> hmmm how do i get ubuntu to read shared folders from other (windows) computers?
[09:19] <capricous> timfrost: I was planning to compile it from here http://fort.xdas.com/~kor/oss2jack/ using the fusd-kor-1.10-9.tar.gz since it works with the older Kernel ubuntu uses
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> skapl, See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot.
[09:19] <timfrost> julian, tere should be a menuitem in the T VMare app, to make the VMWare tools available to the guest OS. TH Linux VM menu has 'install VMware tools'.  Find that, then your VM should have a tools "cd" in the logical CD drive.
[09:19] <julian> let me try that
[09:20] <julian> ok i c the files in cd drive
[09:20] <lyggdrasi> will xinerama work with fvwm ?
[09:20] <julian> now wat
[09:21] <zho[ngantuk] > anybody know how to auto rollback the user desktop setting?
[09:21] <zho> anybody know how to auto rollback the user desktop setting?
[09:21] <timfrost> julian, that *should* attach the VM CD to the VMware tools drive. It may *not* automount it correctly.
[09:22] <zho> anybody know how to auto rollback the user desktop setting?
[09:22] <julian> i checked my cd drive and it has the vmware tools files there
[09:23] <nbound> hmmm how do i get ubuntu to read shared folders from other (windows) computers?
[09:23] <timfrost> julian, the assi
[09:23] <zho> nbound: Samba
[09:23] <tonyyarusso> nbound, Samba.
[09:23] <julian> ?
[09:25] <gimmulf> What is the best way getting a file when connected to my machine thru Putty to a windows machine
[09:26] <zho> gimmulf: using sftp
[09:26] <zho> gimmulf: using sftp
[09:26] <gimmulf> hmmm ok dont i need an ftp server on the windows machine then
[09:26] <gimmulf> :)
[09:26] <zho> -_-! of course you need ftp server on windows :lol:
[09:27] <gimmulf> :)
[09:27] <julian> ???
[09:27] <nbound> zho, tonyyarusso thanx, also what can i use to access rar files, or give archive manager rar access???
[09:28] <timfrost> julian, theere should be a .tar.gz with the files to install.
[09:29] <julian> yea i see it
[09:29] <julian> wats the command
[09:29] <zho> nbound: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/RAR_for_Linux/1053350629/2
[09:29] <zho> :LOL:
[09:29] <tonyyarusso> nbound: I'm guessing unrar-free and/or unrar-nonfree.
[09:29] <nbound> thanx again both of u's
[09:29] <zho> you're welcome :D
[09:31] <timfrost> julian, If the VM is ubuntu, you need to browse and install the .tar.gz file.  Once istalled, you need to start 'nohup vmware-toolbox >/dev/null 2>&1 &' in a terminal to get vmware tols working
[09:31] <ihatexp> hi i have download Wine and i cant get it work well i got it to work and umm i installed kazaa but it wont run ?
[09:31] <SweetestSavage> What's the pathname to the xorg.cong file?
[09:31] <SweetestSavage> conf*
[09:31] <theconartist> where is the menu icon for gnome set?
[09:31] <tonyyarusso> SweetestSavage, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:31] <SweetestSavage> Thank you
[09:32] <zho> anybody know how to auto restore gnome desktop setting at startup after somebody change it?
[09:32] <capricous> timfrost: I was planning to compile it from here http://fort.xdas.com/~kor/oss2jack/ using the fusd-kor-1.10-9.tar.gz since it works with the older Kernel ubuntu uses
[09:32] <ihatexp> well ?
[09:33] <timfrost>  julian, to install that tar.gz file, extract it and them run the vmware-install.pl tool.
[09:33] <SweetestSavage> Also, what's the command to configure the x-server?
[09:34] <ihatexp> also i get this
[09:34] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:/tmp$ rm -f Kazaa Lite Resurrection
[09:34] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:/tmp$ ls
[09:34] <ihatexp> gconfd-korptix  Kazaa Lite Resurrection  mapping-korptix  orbit-root
[09:34] <ihatexp> gconfd-root     keyring-gZG3N9           orbit-korptix    ssh-SxuffM7755
[09:34] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:/tmp$
[09:34] <ihatexp> it wont delete ?
[09:34] <Mabus06> SweetestSavage, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:34] <SweetestSavage> Thank you sir =)
[09:34] <Mabus06> ihatexp, use pastebin please
[09:34] <Mabus06> SweetestSavage, backup your xorg.conf first!
[09:34] <ITSa341> ihatexp  why would you want kazaa?   Use limewire or another native linux file sharing program?
[09:34] <siimo> hi anyone have a sempron 64bit pc?  will the amd64 breezy install disk work on it
[09:35] <timfrost> capricous, I haven't dealt with oss2jack so can't advise whether that will work.
[09:35] <ihatexp> ok i will do that
[09:35] <SweetestSavage> Mabus, no worries, it already is.
[09:35] <ihatexp> but how do i remove kazaa now ?
[09:35] <theconartist> how do i get rid of the ubuntu icon on the menu?
[09:35] <ITSa341> ihatexp  much easier :-)
[09:35] <theconartist> iwant it to set to the theme's icon, not the ubuntu one
[09:35] <timfrost> ITSa341, any progress?
[09:35] <theconartist> does anyone know how :?
[09:36] <ihatexp> yes but
[09:36] <ihatexp> but how do i remove kazaa now ?
[09:36] <siimo> hello..
[09:36] <ihatexp> and whats the link for limewire ?
[09:36] <ITSa341> timfrost  I got it to start compiling but then the error just changed  I fixed that and then another error farther along
[09:36] <intelikey> what cd burner is no the install cd ?
[09:36] <cvt|kde> i have kobodeluxe installed but i can't seem to start it
[09:36] <ITSa341> timfrost  I'm in relax mode now. I'll get back to it tomorrow
[09:37] <cvt|kde> intelikey, i think k3b
[09:37] <ihatexp> but how do i remove kazaa now ?
[09:37] <ihatexp> and whats the link for limewire ?
[09:37] <theconartist> nobody knows :(
[09:37] <ITSa341> limewire.com
[09:37] <intelikey> cvt|kde that's kde  would they put that on a gnome system be default ?
[09:38] <ihatexp> ok
[09:38] <ihatexp> and whats the link for limewire ?
[09:38] <ITSa341> but, I can't help ya with the uninstall
[09:38] <ihatexp> ahh sorry
[09:38] <ITSa341> yup
[09:38] <ihatexp> but how do i remove kazaa now ?
[09:38] <cvt|kde> intelikey, not sure, but i saw it in synaptic as installed. looks fun
[09:38] <ITSa341> they have a native linux installer. I ran it and if I can anyone can.
[09:38] <Mabus06> intelikey, serpentine is on by default
[09:38] <Mabus06> intelikey, otherwise, I believe you'd just use 'write to disc'
[09:39] <intelikey> Mabus06 you mean cdrecord ?
[09:39] <ihatexp> "so how do i remove kazaa now ?"
[09:39] <intelikey> k thanks
[09:39] <zdux0012> does anyone know how I can assign a keystroke to highlight the "Applications" menu  ?
[09:39] <Mabus06> intelikey, no, right clicking on a file and writing it to disc. But cdrecord too, maybe. I can't say.
[09:39] <ITSa341> ihatexp  if I remember right, you can uninstall kazaa from wine but I'm a newbie and that was a while ago I used wine and crossover office.
[09:40] <Mabus06> who chats on irc as root? :D
[09:40] <ihatexp> well does anyone else now?
[09:40] <ihatexp> *know
[09:40] <zho> ihatexp: rm -rf kazaa can be?
[09:40] <ihatexp> one sec
[09:41] <zdux0012> also I am trying to get a capture card to work,, is anyone familiar with these or a program called xawtv ?
[09:41] <ihatexp> no
[09:41] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:/tmp$ rm -rf Kazaa Lite Resurrection
[09:41] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:/tmp$ ls
[09:41] <ihatexp> gconfd-korptix           keyring-gZG3N9     orbit-korptix
[09:41] <ihatexp> gconfd-root              libgksu1.2-eNf24G  orbit-root
[09:41] <ihatexp> Kazaa Lite Resurrection  mapping-korptix    ssh-SxuffM7755
[09:41] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:/tmp$
[09:41] <siimo> hi anyone have a sempron 64bit pc?  will the amd64 breezy install disk work on it
[09:41] <zho> zdux0012: what chipset of your tv card?
[09:42] <zho> ihatexp: rm -rf "Kazaa Lite Resurrection" can be?
[09:42] <zdux0012> zho: sorry I am a newbie, it is a PVR-150
[09:42] <zdux0012> zho: does that tell you what you wanted to know?
[09:43] <zho> zdux0012: nope :D
[09:43] <zdux0012> zhop: lspci:  Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[09:43] <blahbnlah> can someone tell me
[09:44] <blahbnlah> can someone tell me how to enter the refresh rates for my lcd monitor in my xorg.conf file?
[09:44] <zdux0012> zho: xawtv comes up with a blank screen, there is an error message and a warning
[09:45] <ihatexp> and also how do i open rpm format files ?
[09:46] <sudharsh> s
[09:46] <zdux0012> ihatexp: there is a way to convert rpm files,, I think it is a program called alien
[09:46] <sudharsh> ihatexp: use alien
[09:47] <sudharsh> if u wanna open em...any file archiver would do...
[09:47] <sudharsh> installe em usin alien
[09:47] <ihatexp> ok
[09:47] <ihatexp> whats the command line ?
[09:48] <ITSa341> alien filename.rpm filename.deb   or something like that   use alien --help
[09:48] <sudharsh> aline -c <rpm file>
[09:48] <ITSa341> shows examples if my memory is right
[09:49] <sudharsh> of course u must be sudo
[09:49] <devwal> Hey I'm very close to having Ubuntu working on my external firewire hd, the only problem is that Im getting a kernel panic when i start up
[09:49] <devwal> anyone have any advice
[09:49] <zdux0012> zho: does iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder answer your question ?
[09:49] <ihatexp> dude whats the command line ?
[09:50] <sudharsh> ihatexp: sudo apt-get install alien
[09:50] <sudharsh> first...and see if its installed
[09:50] <ihatexp> man
[09:50] <ihatexp> its already installed
[09:50] <sudharsh> k
[09:50] <ihatexp> i wanna convert a file thats rpm ?
[09:50] <sudharsh> sudo alien -c <some rpm>
[09:51] <ihatexp> sec.
[09:51] <blahbnlah> can someone tell me the dpkg command to reconfigure xorg?
[09:52] <blahbnlah> i thought it was sudu dpkg - reconfigure xorg
[09:52] <GNULinuxer> blahbnlah: dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[09:52] <GNULinuxer> blahbnlah: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver
[09:53] <fek> moin
[09:53] <ihatexp> whats deb ?
[09:53] <blahbnlah> GNULinuxer: it says xorg-xserver is not installed?
[09:54] <sudharsh> ihatexp: kinda like rpm for redhat
[09:54] <sudharsh> deb for debian, ubuntu, knoppix.....
[09:54] <s_spiff> ok me back..
[09:54] <ihatexp> and how do i open the file now ?
[09:54] <Seelenzorn> what is the package "ubuntu-standard" and "ubuntu-minimal"? is this a risk to delete (sorry 4 my bad english)
[09:54] <GNULinuxer> blahbnlah: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:54] <s_spiff>  some one tell me ..why a site is not loading as pic
[09:54] <s_spiff>  but only as code!
[09:54] <ihatexp> or install it
[09:54] <s_spiff> http://runway09.rediffblogs.com
[09:54] <sudharsh> ihatexp: to install 'sudo dpkg -i <name of the deb>
[09:54] <GNULinuxer> Seelenzorn: it's a metapackage
[09:55] <Seelenzorn> so i can delte this?
[09:55] <Seelenzorn> delete
[09:55] <GNULinuxer> Seelenzorn: why do you want to delete it?
[09:55] <ihatexp> ok
[09:55] <sudharsh> Seelenzorn:  meta packages are really tweeny weeny
[09:56] <Seelenzorn> i dont use the wireless and bluetooth ..
[09:56] <zho> s_spiff: hey? where is the head of <html>
[09:56] <ihatexp> ahh thanx alot ppl
[09:56] <ihatexp> :)
[09:56] <Seelenzorn> my english suxx... i dont know what how i say it
[09:57] <ITSa341> ihatexp  you'll like limewire
[09:57] <ihatexp> yeh i guess so
[09:57] <blahbnlah> is it possible to use an ipod with ubuntu
[09:57] <nbound> blahbnlah, yes, afaik
[09:57] <sudharsh> Seelenzorn: they r used to logiaclly grp stuff...kinda lika an index
[09:58] <ihatexp> but theres one more thing it wont let me delete a dir ?
[09:58] <blahbnlah> afaik?
[09:58] <nbound> as far as i know
[09:58] <Seelenzorn> mkay
[09:58] <sudharsh> ihatexp: dats because u have the wrong permisiions
[09:58] <blahbnlah> is it possible to use the gnome desktop manager under kubuntu?
[09:58] <ihatexp> sudo -i
[09:58] <ihatexp> im r00t ?
[09:59] <mjr> blahbnlah, yes
[09:59] <nbound> blahbnlah, why didnt u just get ubuntu? ;)
[09:59] <SweetestSavage> Anyone know what package libkdecore.so.4 falls under?
[09:59] <s_spiff> no clue
[10:00] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, i'd guess one of the kdelibs packages
[10:00] <sudharsh> ihatexp: thers no root in ubuntu....u r the root user
[10:00] <sudharsh> !suo
[10:00] <ubotu> sudharsh: What?
[10:00] <sudharsh> !sudo
[10:00] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:01] <sudharsh> ihatexp: check the link given by ubotu
[10:01] <nbound> ihatexp, u become a super user to do root functions in ubuntu
[10:01] <zho> type 'sudo su' you will be the root :D
[10:01] <zho> then you can login as root :D
[10:02] <gavcos> SweetestSavage, it's kdelibs4c2 (run the command dpkg -S /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4)
[10:02] <zho> must change the password before :D
[10:02] <CarinArr> why do you want change to root
[10:02] <sudharsh> zho: neat.......
[10:02] <ihatexp> ok
[10:02] <CarinArr> why not use sudo
[10:02] <dean_> i was trying to get rid of the synaptics thing on the taskbar but now gaim doesn't show up there either
[10:02] <dean_> how can i get it back? preferably with out the synaptics thing
[10:02] <s_spiff> hey zho, i checked out the template.. of the blog... the <html> head is there...but not there!
[10:03] <s_spiff> as in the pic is not there
[10:03] <ihatexp> thanx
[10:03] <sudharsh> dean_: u dleted the panel
[10:03] <sudharsh> ?
[10:03] <sudharsh> on top.....
[10:03] <dean_> nah just the notification bit
[10:03] <zho> s_spiff: there but not there? i think you're on wrong channel :P
[10:03] <dean_> have it back now
[10:04] <dean_> but i would like to get rid of synaptics from it
[10:04] <s_spiff> lol.. sorry watching a movie..so sort of distracted..
[10:04] <zho> s_spiff: ---> #html
[10:04] <s_spiff> the head's there..
[10:04] <sudharsh> jus remove it...there'll be a dim separator..
[10:04] <s_spiff> but i cant c the page as the '[age' but as html!
[10:04] <sudharsh> u gotta rite click there
[10:05] <sudharsh> and not on the icon itself
[10:05] <SweetestSavage> gavcos, it says /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 not found
[10:05] <ihatexp> is it ok to have 3 os's install such as koeppix
[10:05] <dean_> i want the notification area because gaim goes up there too
[10:05] <dean_> but i don't want synaptics there :(
[10:05] <ihatexp> i already have xp and ubuntu
[10:05] <sudharsh> dean_: yeah i know
[10:05] <Katie^> erm, is grub the best or is there a better one
[10:06] <zho> s_spiff: maybe something wrong with your template :P
[10:06] <klip> _I_ like GRUB more. =)
[10:06] <sudharsh> dean_: trust me mate...remove the synaptic icon
[10:06] <Katie^> lol
[10:06] <ihatexp> also have this
[10:06] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, and you've installed kdelibs4c2?
[10:06] <ihatexp> root@korptix:/home/korptix/Desktop# ls
[10:06] <ihatexp> all info      Vegeta the Ultimate - Dragonball Z - DBZ - _Very Sweet___tmp.jpg
[10:06] <ihatexp> all info~     xchat.desktop
[10:07] <ihatexp> whats all info~ ?
[10:07] <bobslaede> hey everybody
[10:07] <ihatexp> all info is a text but whats. ~ ?
[10:07] <zho> ihatexp: did you know? --> Use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org for pasting
[10:07] <bobslaede> anybody tried with ubuntu on an iMac?
[10:07] <ihatexp> nah i didnt know
[10:07] <sudharsh> ihatexp: its kinda like a backup
[10:07] <ihatexp> ohh k
[10:09] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, yes
[10:10] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, and does /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 exist?
[10:10] <gavcos> SweetestSave, do you have /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4.2.0 ?
[10:11] <gavcos> sweetestsavage, on my system /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 is a symbolic link to /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4.2.0
[10:11] <CarinArr> yeah, same here
[10:11] <SweetestSavage> I don't have it
[10:11] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, either of them?
[10:11] <SweetestSavage> Neither =(
[10:13] <gavcos> SweetestSavage, what is the output of "dpkg -l | grep kdelibs4c2" on your system?
[10:13] <SweetestSavage> ii  kdelibs4c2                             3.4.3-0ubuntu1                     core libraries for all KDE applications
[10:13] <ihatexp> ok ok
[10:13] <ihatexp> hes my pasteBIN
[10:13] <ihatexp> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7059
[10:13] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, and: dpkg -L kdelibs4c2 | grep libkdeco
[10:13] <CarinArr> ?
[10:13] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, it doesn't display anything.
[10:13] <bobslaede> anybody with a mac/ppc?
[10:14] <ihatexp> is that the way u complie a .c file ?
[10:14] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, how about dpkg -L kdelibs4c2
[10:14] <CarinArr> (you might want to use pastebin)
[10:14] <ihatexp> ..
[10:15] <SweetestSavage> !pastebin
[10:15] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:15] <SweetestSavage> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7060
[10:15] <ihatexp> ?
[10:16] <sudharsh> ihatexp: install stdc++
[10:16] <sudharsh> libstdc++
[10:16] <zdux0012__> does anyone know about capture cards? I am getting a blank screen
[10:16] <ihatexp> link ?
[10:16] <sudharsh> and jus a suggestion....dont do it as root
[10:16] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, er.. odd.. same package as mine but mine has a lot more stuff in it
[10:16] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, you might want to try reinstalling it
[10:16] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, yeah, that is odd..
[10:16] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, I did try that.
[10:17] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, I used Synaptic though, would the terminal give any different results?
[10:17] <ihatexp> dont do it as root ?
[10:17] <ihatexp> what do u mean sundharsh ?
[10:17] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, i used synaptic too.. but it shouldn't make a difference anyway
[10:17] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, bleh. Weird..
[10:17] <ihatexp> also do i have to install "The GNU Standard C++ Library v3"
[10:18] <ihatexp> coz it sayz it already installed
[10:18] <sudharsh> root is for administration only...u mite mess ur system out
[10:18] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, what repositories are you using?
[10:18] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, I'll pastebin my servers.list thing.
[10:18] <sudharsh> ihatexp: sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[10:18] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, oops I forgot, what's the path to it?
[10:18] <ihatexp> how do i logout of root ?
[10:19] <sudharsh> su <ur username>
[10:19] <msi1029> hi i just installed ubuntu on my msi 1029 and i just went to compile ndiswrapper when i realize it doesnt have gcc where can i download gcc so i can install it and get my wireless card working i have no wired connection at the moment
[10:19] <tomaj> is the bonding driver enabled in the ubuntu kernel by default?
[10:19] <ihatexp> also i got this.. korptix@korptix:~$ apt-get install libstdc++5
[10:19] <ihatexp> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:19] <ihatexp> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:19] <tomaj> how would i find out?
[10:19] <sudharsh> do u hav synatic open
[10:19] <ihatexp> nope
[10:19] <tomaj> ihatexp, close any synaptic updater or synaptic itself
[10:19] <SweetestSavage> !repository
[10:19] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, SweetestSavage
[10:19] <SweetestSavage> Oops.
[10:19] <SweetestSavage> !repositories
[10:19] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:19] <sudharsh> u should use sudo
[10:20] <sudharsh> sudo apt-get install libstdc++5
[10:20] <ihatexp> k
[10:20] <ihatexp> ok done
[10:20] <tomaj> how do i find out if the bonding driver is installed in the ubuntu kernel?
[10:20] <sudharsh> sudo apt-get install libstdc++6
[10:20] <sudharsh> sudo apt-get install libc
[10:21] <sudharsh> install these pkgs foist
[10:21] <ihatexp> ok
[10:21] <SweetestSavage> !easysource
[10:21] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:21] <ihatexp> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop$ sudo apt-get install libc
[10:21] <ihatexp> Reading package lists... Done
[10:21] <ihatexp> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:21] <ihatexp> E: Couldn't find package libc
[10:21] <zdux0012__>  can some one help me to set up a tv capture card ?
[10:21] <sudharsh> sudo apt-get install libc6...sorry
[10:22] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, tbh i do stuff through synaptic mostly.. you can look at what your repositories are through there as well
[10:22] <ihatexp> ok i done that now
[10:22] <ihatexp> but when i complie i still get them error's ?
[10:22] <sudharsh> same errors
[10:22] <sudharsh> ??
[10:22] <SweetestSavage> !pastebin
[10:22] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:23] <SweetestSavage> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7061
[10:23] <ihatexp> yes
[10:23] <sudharsh> ihatexp: well check the terminal...mate and the packages has to be fetched fromt he internet
[10:23] <ihatexp> yeah i did mate
[10:24] <sudharsh> so soon.....
[10:24] <ihatexp> or am i using the wrong command line ?
[10:24] <ihatexp> gcc kaiten.c -o korptix
[10:24] <sudharsh> ihatexp: knaa it doesnt matter
[10:24] <ihatexp> bro i installed them all
[10:24] <sudharsh> sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[10:24] <ihatexp> k
[10:25] <ihatexp> thanx
[10:25] <ihatexp> i think it works now
[10:25] <sudharsh> ihatexp: dont log into root
[10:25] <sudharsh> avoid it
[10:26] <sudharsh> use sudo instaead to do admin stuff
[10:26] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, hang on.. just having a look if there's any difference between that package and the one i used
[10:26] <ihatexp> whyz dat?
[10:26] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, i might be going in the wrong direction on this but it might be worth checking;)
[10:26] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, alrighty =)
[10:26] <ihatexp> also when i open the file.c it wont let me edit it why?
[10:27] <sudharsh> see....
[10:27] <sudharsh> ihatexp: u have the wrong permisiions
[10:27] <KeithWeisshar> i'm having problems with the ubuntu dvd+r that i burned at 4x
[10:27] <sudharsh> the files must be owned ny root
[10:27] <KeithWeisshar> it's an arita 8x dvd+r disc
[10:27] <sudharsh> try this .
[10:27] <ihatexp> on the file it has a red Lock
[10:27] <KeithWeisshar> i'm unable to read it
[10:28] <sudharsh> chown <usr name> /path/to/file
[10:28] <sudharsh> dont forget sudo
[10:28] <dean_> sudharsh, sorry had to go away, I dunno how to remove jsut the synaptic icon, when i click on the faint bar and select remove the whole thing disappears :(
[10:28] <sudharsh> dean_: do u have th synaptic running
[10:28] <ihatexp> ty
[10:29] <sudharsh> the pkg manager
[10:29] <dean_> i havn't run it my self
[10:29] <dean_> i have the big red icon and lightbulb
[10:29] <sudharsh> k remove the big red icon
[10:29] <dean_> _how_?
[10:29] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, what's does uname -r say?
[10:29] <sudharsh> go near it...rite click and voila
[10:30] <dean_> that removes the whole notification area which I want to keep!
[10:30] <sudharsh> yes i get do that
[10:30] <kestas> does anyone here know how I can delete all MS-DOS newlines from a file using a shell script? I know ^M is fine when you're in a console but I can't put ^M into a shell script
[10:30] <tomaj> how do you find out if a module is installed in the kernel?
[10:30] <kestas> Seveas, Im looking at you ;p
[10:31] <Mabus06> How do I set my jumpers if I have one drive that has ubuntu on it and another with xp
[10:31] <CarinArr> kestas, could tell you how to do it in vim.. not big on shell scripts tho;)
[10:31] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, 2.6.12-10-386
[10:31] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, this is really bizarre
[10:31] <kestas> CarinArr, I'm hoping there's something line \n but for DOS newlines instead of UNIX ones
[10:31] <kestas> \m or something
[10:31] <sudharsh> dean_: after removing.....rite click on the location where u want to add the notification stuff
[10:31] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, I agree.
[10:31] <mjr> kestas, \r\n
[10:31] <tomaj> Mabus06, you need to set the hdd with ubuntu in it as the booting device in bios
[10:31] <kestas> mjr, cheers
[10:31] <zdux0012__> CarinArr, there is a command that does that
[10:31] <sudharsh> Add to panel > notification region
[10:32] <CarinArr> sweetestsavage, a diff between the package from the ca archive and the package i'm using says they're identical..
[10:32] <CarinArr> so why is yours not complete
[10:32] <CarinArr> heh
[10:32] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, hmm..
[10:32] <owner> if you install grub ther eis no need to do that tomaj
[10:32] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, is there deb I can d/l somewhere?
[10:32] <owner> *their
[10:32] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, I could uninstall this one and install it from a deb and see if that works
[10:32] <Mabus06> tomaj so have the ubuntu one as master and the other as slave?
[10:32] <dean_> sudharsh, that always brought it up, I killall'd update-notifier and brought it back up and its now empty woo! now i just need to stop it loading on start up :)
[10:32] <zdux0012__> CarinArr: I'll look it up
[10:32] <CarinArr> well you can get the debs from : http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/
[10:32] <CarinArr> mine are from: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdelibs/
[10:32] <tomaj> Mabus06, all you need to do is set the hdd with ubuntu as the boot device
[10:32] <sudharsh> dean_: it wont load
[10:33] <dean_> sudharsh, ever again?
[10:33] <sudharsh> works for me
[10:33] <CarinArr> but it shouldnt' make a difference, i just thought i'd double check it wasn' a weird package on ca.
[10:33] <Mabus06> tomaj, I'm speaking jumper-wise
[10:33] <tomaj> owner, whats grub/how is it used?
[10:33] <sudharsh> yeah..,mate...that thing pissed me off
[10:33] <CarinArr> i had some problesm before with packages from the default mirror
[10:33] <dean_> :)
[10:33] <tomaj> Mabus06, i know, i wouldnt touch them if its already been installed personally
[10:33] <tomaj> Mabus06, you can though
[10:33] <Mabus06> tomaj, it hasnt been installed yet
[10:34] <tomaj> Mabus06, on my system ubuntu drive is master and xp is slave
[10:34] <Mabus06> I'm wondering how I should have the jumpers set up before I do
[10:34] <tomaj> Mabus06, you might run into problems though
[10:34] <tomaj> Mabus06, if you run into problems with installing XP set it to master then install
[10:34] <sudharsh> k me off
[10:34] <tomaj> Mabus06, after that's done set XP drive to slave and ubuntu drive to master then install ubuntu
[10:35] <Mabus06> ty
[10:35] <dean_> how can I stop things from running at startup?
[10:35] <tomaj> Mabus06, ubuntu will automatically recognize xp
[10:35] <CarinArr> kestas, it's the same as vim.. ctrl+v then ctrl+m
[10:35] <tomaj> how do i find out if a certain module was installed in the kernel?
[10:36] <zdux0012__> CarinArr, I can't find it I was just reading about  it today, there is a command to do it
[10:36] <CarinArr> zdux0012__, do what?
[10:37] <zdux0012__> CarinArr, there is a command to covert \r\n to \n or vice-versa
[10:37] <CarinArr> er yes.. i know
[10:37] <zdux0012__> Also a different format for UNIX?
[10:37] <CarinArr> it was kestas that was asking;)
[10:37] <zdux0012__> do you remember it? I'm looking in O'Reilly but can't find it
[10:37] <zdux0012__> oh,, sorry
[10:37] <CarinArr> well i would guess it's like in vim
[10:38] <CarinArr> s/[ctrl+v] [ctrl+m] //
[10:38] <CarinArr> or something of that sort
[10:38] <zdux0012__> do you know if vi was built for a different keyboard? or the standard qwerty?
[10:38] <CarinArr> zdux0012__, dunno.. why you ask?
[10:39] <zdux0012__> ait just seems it must have been,, the keys are so crazy
[10:39] <CarinArr> you reckon
[10:39] <CarinArr> ?
[10:39] <zdux0012__> that's what I suspect,,
[10:39] <CarinArr> i mean.. how are they crazy
[10:39] <zdux0012__> as long as I'm asking you questions, do you know if ubuntu is GNU?
[10:40] <zdux0012__> CarinArr,, I mean not what I would have picked
[10:40] <CarinArr> oh.. heh
[10:40] <CarinArr> i suspect they weren't made for another type of keyboard tho. normally when that's the case you find your hands twisting in odd angles to hit basic key combinations
[10:41] <CarinArr> vim's key combinations aren't uncomfortable, just slightly confusing
[10:41] <zdux0012__> I haven't  seen or used another type
[10:42] <CarinArr> zdux0012__, i would think ubuntu is gnu yes.. i'm hardly an expert with these things but i thought most linuxes were
[10:42] <pinkisntwell> can someone help me with printing? I can't print in ubuntu?
[10:42] <docta_v> what do you mean by GNU?
[10:42] <zdux0012__> I have an idea for a program I want to write but it msut be totally GNU
[10:42] <CarinArr> well i was assuming he meant GNU licence
[10:42] <docta_v> it uses the GNU utility set
[10:42] <Seveas> kestas, dos2unix
[10:43] <docta_v> it's not completely GPL
[10:43] <CarinArr> isn't it?
[10:43] <docta_v> nah...i doubt it
[10:43] <CarinArr> as i said, i was just assuming;)
[10:43] <dean_> how can I remove update-notifier from starting up at boot?
[10:43] <docta_v> almost no distros are 100% GPL software
[10:43] <juri> so, dapper is being interesting again
[10:43] <zdux0012__> actually I'm not sure what is stands for Gnu's not unix,, it means that it is completly open source and usuable by anyone for anything?
[10:43] <juri> any idea about this "Predefined macro file '/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/mcpp_gcc40_predef_std.h' is not found" stuff?
[10:44] <SweetestSavage> What exactly is the 686 kernel? Like, how does it differ from the 386?
[10:44] <docta_v> zdux0012__: you should head over to gnu.org and do some reading. the important thing about GNU is the GPL licensee
[10:44] <docta_v> license
[10:44] <zdux0012__> thanks, I'll check it out
[10:44] <Katie^> whats the website for GRUB
[10:44] <Mabus06> SweetestSavage, it's for 64 bit processors instead of 32 bit
[10:44] <Mabus06> iirc
[10:44] <CarinArr> mabus06, er no it isn't
[10:45] <Mabus06> oh?
[10:45] <bobslaede> anybody with experience in the ppc/mac field?
[10:45] <SweetestSavage> Mabus06, yeah, but there's an AMD64 kernel.. so why use that over AMD64?
[10:45] <docta_v> Katie^: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
[10:45] <Mabus06> ignore me, Swedish_Chef
[10:45] <Mabus06> SweetestSavage, I mean
[10:45] <CarinArr> 686 = pentiums and celerons
[10:45] <Katie^> Oh die.
[10:45] <dean_> 686 is _NOT_ 64bit
[10:46] <Katie^> I hate peopel like you.  You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:47] <zdux0012__> was "<3" chat slang ?
[10:47] <Mabus06> zdux0012__, it's a heart
[10:47] <CarinArr> correct me if i'm wrong but as faras i know the 386 kernel is the basic one that suits both amds and intels, the 686 is for pentiums/celerons, the k7 for athlons etc
[10:47] <zdux0012__> I am not familiar with almost all chat slang so I try to ask what it is when I see it
[10:47] <Mabus06> CarinArr, I use 386 for a pentium. Should I be using 686?
[10:47] <Katie^> dean_, <3!
[10:48] <CarinArr> aargh.. heh don't ask me;) i was told i should be using 686 for my laptop cause it's a pentium, and the k7 for my desktop cause it's an athlon
[10:48] <onispawn> ls
[10:49] <bobslaede> CarinArr: the Athlon is the AMD k7
[10:49] <bobslaede> so it makes sense
[10:49] <pinkisntwell> can someone help me with printing? I can't print in ubuntu?
[10:49] <ardchoille> floating panels in gnome: http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7031/screenshot6jz.jpg  :)
[10:49] <bobslaede> but its also an 686
[10:49] <docta_v> i'm not following the CoC? just referring a user to a relevant website
[10:49] <zdux0012__> I thought 686 was for amd, and 386 was for pentiums,, I suspected was a 32 / 64 bit thing. But actually I don't know
[10:50] <Mabus06> docta_v, if you think you were following the coc you need to reread it
[10:50] <bobslaede> and the pentium4 is also a 686
[10:50] <Mabus06> bobslaede, I am using a p4, but using 386
[10:50] <Mabus06> What's the disadvantage to me?
[10:50] <zdux0012__> which prooves that I don't know 383 vs 686
[10:51] <bobslaede> you could probably use the 686, wouldnt do no harm i spose
[10:51] <Mabus06> could probably? What's the advantage?
[10:51] <CarinArr> bobslaede, you might be right about the athlon being a 686 too, just based what i just said on the information of the 686 and k7 image packages
[10:51] <bobslaede> Mabus06: it would probably be able to use more of the cpu power, or what ever its called
[10:51] <bobslaede> the Athlon is a 686 as far as i know
[10:51] <bobslaede> but i usually just use the 386 kernel anywho
[10:52] <bobslaede> that always works for me
[10:52] <Mabus06> Is it worth a few hours downloading and reinstalling ubuntu over?
[10:52] <bobslaede> Mabus06: why not just the kernel image
[10:52] <CarinArr> i was told to use the 686 and k7 for speedup.. not sure if i've noticed any but i seldom use my systems to the extent where it would show much
[10:52] <Mabus06> Why not? Dunno. Why? What is that?
[10:52] <preglow> hi, i need to compile my own kernel with better realtime caps, and special version i should use for ubuntu, or can i use whatever is newest?
[10:52] <bobslaede> Mabus06: the basic kernel, no need to reinstall the whole sytstem
[10:52] <Katie^> configure: error: Could not find yacc < what's Yacc?
[10:53] <bobslaede> system*
[10:53] <Mabus06> bobslaede, so what do I do to 'upgrade'?
[10:53] <bobslaede> Mabus06: apt-get it, it should configure your bootloader, or you might have to do that your self, depends i spose
[10:53] <Marlun> In the wiki page which tell you how to install LAMP it says in the description that it will install MySQL 4.1, but later they do "apt-get install mysql-server" when I can see that theres a "mysql-server-4.1" available. If I want the 4.1 version, should I install "mysql-server-4.1" instead? or are they the same?
[10:53] <bobslaede> You can then boot both kernels
[10:54] <bobslaede> *either kernels
[10:54] <CarinArr> they will both turn up in grub and you can choose between them
[10:54] <Mabus06> I can? Will it make me each boot?
[10:54] <Mabus06> Or will it just use one by default
[10:54] <Mabus06> which I can override
[10:54] <bobslaede> it will use  your current as default
[10:54] <bobslaede> and you can choose the new one when booting
[10:55] <Mabus06> Ah well, I rarely use over 10 percent of my cpu anyway.
[10:55] <bobslaede> try it out :)
[10:55] <CarinArr> actually i think it will use the new one as default won't it?
[10:55] <bobslaede> hmm.. it might
[10:55] <Mabus06> bobslaede, I'm doing a bunch of installing right now so maybe
[10:55] <SweetestSavage> CarinArr, it should
[10:55] <bobslaede> yeah, it probably will actually
[10:55] <CarinArr> newly installed stuff normally end up right at the top
[10:56] <bobslaede> yeah... it will...
[10:56] <Mabus06> SweetestSavage, are you a veteran of another distro or something?
[10:56] <bobslaede> i have a bunch of kernels in this one, the newest is the default
[10:56] <CarinArr> lol.. the experts would so pity us atm
[10:56] <bobslaede> yeah :D
[10:56] <SweetestSavage> Mabus06, no, I'm not actually very skilled in Linux. Ubuntu is my first Linux distro, and I've been using it for about a month.
[10:57] <bobslaede> ive been on/off linux since '98... but really not that skilled
[10:57] <Mabus06> SweetestSavage, just wondering why you were asking relatively newbie questions earlier but now you're correcting us about installing new kernels. heh
[10:57] <CarinArr> i've, pathetically, used linux for 7 years, and i've never bothered to dig particularly deep into how things work unless they go wrong
[10:57] <dean__> how can I disabled update-notifier from running on boot?
[10:57] <SweetestSavage> Mabus06, I've done one thing but not the other ;)
[10:57] <bobslaede> CarinArr: i usually mess stuff up, and pick up the phone, using my lifeline... calling a friend
[10:58] <CarinArr> what i do in the office.. "help the poor helpless woman" always works wonders
[10:58] <Mabus06> bobslaede, #ubuntu is my lifeline
[10:58] <Seveas> dean__, remove it from your session (system -> preferences -> session)
[10:58] <bobslaede> Mabus06: :)
[10:58] <bobslaede> just found the chan right now... i need help too :(
[10:58] <Mabus06> right now?
[10:58] <Mabus06> I recall seeing you before I am quite sure.
[10:58] <CarinArr> bobslaede, what you need help with?
[10:58] <bobslaede> right now, or later
[10:59] <bobslaede> powerpc
[10:59] <CarinArr> oh
[10:59] <bobslaede> got sick and tired of macosx
[10:59] <bobslaede> need linux
[10:59] <bobslaede> :D
[10:59] <Seveas> bobslaede, grab an Ubuntu PPC cd and install it
[10:59] <tomaj> how do i find out if a certain module was installed in the kernel?
[10:59] <bobslaede> but my install wont work... or, i installed the whole system
[10:59] <Mabus06> I haven't used a mac since 8th grade.
[10:59] <bobslaede> did that, dvd
[10:59] <Katie^> how do i get a list of devices from the terminal
[10:59] <tomaj> i wana get a mac now that they use intel
[10:59] <bobslaede> it freezes up
[10:59] <Mabus06> Katie^, what sort of devices?
[10:59] <Seveas> tomaj, look in /boot/config-* and in the output of lsmod
[11:00] <tomaj> i reckon macs will soon be able to run windows stuff antively
[11:00] <tomaj> thanks Seveas
[11:00] <Katie^> all of them, i need the name of my hd, wil it just be hda?
[11:00] <Katie^> or what
[11:00] <Katie^> lol
[11:00] <bobslaede> Seveas: i got the dvd
[11:00] <Mabus06> lspci will cover your needs probably, kafeine
[11:00] <bobslaede> installed it last night
[11:00] <Mabus06> oh, for hds and stuff... dunno
[11:00] <olicat> hi all. i've got 4 machines that run software which runs listens on 10 different ports, but i need to access it from outside the network
[11:00] <Seveas> bobslaede, how far does it get?
[11:00] <tomaj> Seveas, isnt lsmod just the active modules?
[11:00] <pinkisntwell> can someone help me with printing? I can't print in ubuntu
[11:00] <bobslaede> Seveas: well, depends, i cant boot X, well i can, but it freezes
[11:01] <bobslaede> Seveas: i can run a terminal while booting, but it freezes
[11:01] <Seveas> tomaj, that's where the /boot/config-* comes in :)
[11:01] <olicat> i can use port forwarding, but would i need to set up port forwarding to each port on each machine ? (30 rules)
[11:01] <bobslaede> believe its something with the ide module, ata module or something
[11:01] <Seveas> olicat, yes
[11:01] <Mabus06> are the canadian repo archives down?
[11:01] <bobslaede> Seveas: during install, the hdd is a scsi, but in macosx its a sataq
[11:01] <bobslaede> sata*
[11:01] <Seveas> bobslaede, boot into recovery mode and check the logs
[11:02] <Seveas> bobslaede, sata and scsi discs both get /dev/sd* names
[11:02] <bobslaede> Seveas: the thing is, i have some seconds before it freezes, its different from each boot
[11:02] <bobslaede> yeah
[11:02] <Seveas> bobslaede, even in recovery mode?
[11:02] <bobslaede> so during install, had to do the expert install, i told it not to load the ide modules, but i think it does, however, theyre not in /etc/modules
[11:03] <bobslaede> Seveas: didnt try that, suddenly it was 2am, and i was tired
[11:03] <Seveas> hehe
[11:03] <Seveas> try it when you're awake then :)
[11:03] <bobslaede> had to get up for work too :)
[11:03] <bobslaede> haha
[11:03] <bobslaede> im at work now
[11:03] <bobslaede> so ill try it tomorrow
[11:03] <Seveas> good plan
[11:03] <bobslaede> when i come home... late christmas party at work today :D
[11:03] <Seveas> without logs we can't do anything about it
[11:03] <Seveas> wow, VERY late :)
[11:04] <bobslaede> :D
[11:04] <olicat> Seveas, cheers. do you have an idea how it would work? the software used to connect to these machines wants to use port 3100 (so <IP_ADDRESS>:3100 goes to <IP_ADDRESS>:3100)?
[11:04] <tomaj> anyone here live in australia and use optus?
[11:04] <bobslaede> going bowling/drinking/eating later
[11:04] <Seveas> olicat, man iptables :)
[11:05] <olicat> Seveas, there's a prob, the machine doing the routinig uses rinetd
[11:05] <Mabus06> are the canadian repo archives down?
[11:05] <bobslaede> Seveas: funny thing though... it stalled when booting the live image too
[11:05] <bobslaede> when entering x, just when it loads gnome
[11:05] <bobslaede> or, just before
[11:06] <iti3g> hi
[11:07] <Katie^> will my hd just be hda? how do i find out
[11:07] <Katie^> and yes ive googled.
[11:07] <Mabus06> bowling and drinking... that could have comical consequences
[11:07] <bobslaede> Katie^: probably
[11:07] <bobslaede> Mabus06: i hope so :)
[11:07] <bobslaede> Mabus06: well, i hope my coworkers will get drunk and act funny, especially my boss
[11:08] <Mabus06> don't throw the ball! ;)
[11:08] <bobslaede> haha
[11:08] <dean__> Seveas, brilliant! :) thanks
[11:08] <Mabus06> Why is it that text appears better on my monitor, but movies and games are better on my TV?
[11:09] <bobslaede> Mabus06: your tv is low res, and your monitor high res. the tv signal is also low res, so you dont notice on the tv, but you do on your monitor
[11:10] <bobslaede> and high res text on a low res monitor doesnt look good
[11:10] <bobslaede> your tv is something 500x400 and proably like 15 hz
[11:10] <Mabus06> can I configure my tv (it has it's own video driver) to make the text better?
[11:11] <bobslaede> Mabus06: lower the res of the text, and dont antialiaze (spell?) it
[11:11] <weedar> I've just got kubuntu installed and working with my wireless adapter (with the help of ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant), but an update will install a new kernel image (<IP_ADDRESS>) - will this break anything?
[11:11] <Mabus06> lol this installation message is funny
[11:11] <Mabus06> 'with windows xp you can encrypt your files, so your offline data will be safe'
[11:12] <Mabus06> How do you get hacked when you're offline?
[11:12] <bobslaede> hehe
[11:12] <gavcos> wii finn
[11:12] <bobslaede> Mabus06: windows hacks itself
[11:13] <Mabus06> lol true
[11:13] <tomaj> Mabus06, it means data you store offline ie on your harddrive
[11:13] <tomaj> versus your online data ie stuff you submit when visiting website
[11:13] <korptix> hmm
[11:14] <korptix> i have this tar error
[11:14] <korptix> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop$ tar zxvf scan.tar
[11:14] <korptix> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[11:14] <korptix> tar: Child returned status 1
[11:14] <korptix> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[11:14] <korptix> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop$
[11:14] <bobslaede> korptix: tar xvf
[11:14] <Mabus06> 'if you can read this text, click continue'
[11:14] <bobslaede> not the z
[11:14] <Mabus06> man, windows is retarded
[11:14] <bobslaede> korptix: the z is if its gzipped
[11:14] <bobslaede> Mabus06: lol
[11:14] <korptix> thanx
[11:15] <bobslaede> np
[11:15] <Mabus06> sweet, finally have xp installed
[11:15] <bobslaede> i havent really used windows for like 7-8 months... only in vmplayer for some random IE testing
[11:15] <Mabus06> bobslaede, I plan to use it for games and dvd ripping/burning
[11:16] <korptix> and also how do i tar files ?
[11:16] <bobslaede> Mabus06: :)
[11:16] <bobslaede> korptix: man tar
[11:16] <bobslaede> tar -cvvf foo.tar foo/
[11:16] <bobslaede> tar contents of folder foo in foo.tar
[11:17] <bobslaede> from the man pages
[11:17] <mwe> the - is not needed
[11:17] <dean__> did hoary have alt + f4 assigned to close window?
[11:17] <bobslaede> btw, its not cool to do a recursive gzipping without first making a tarball out of the stuff, it messed alot of stuff up...
[11:18] <korptix> ty
[11:18] <dean__> yea thats great fun eh :)
[11:19] <bobslaede> its a whole bunch of fun
[11:19] <thegladiator> how can I reinstall ubuntu splash ?
[11:21] <korptix> also i cant get into a dir
[11:21] <KeithWeisshar> my newly burned ubuntu dvd isn't working
[11:21] <korptix> all info~                                                         ssh scanner
[11:21] <korptix> kaiten.c                                                          xchat.desktop
[11:21] <korptix> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop$ cd ssh scanner
[11:21] <korptix> bash: cd: ssh: No such file or directory
[11:21] <korptix> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop$
[11:21] <owner> whats not working keith
[11:21] <nbound> korptix, use pastebin
[11:21] <korptix> sure.
[11:21] <KeithWeisshar> i have an 8x dvd+r, could not burn at 8x, burned at 4x sucessfully but is unreadable
[11:22] <nbound> KeithWeisshar, try doin it again at 2x if u want to wait for it
[11:22] <bimberi> korpios: cd ssh\ scanner
[11:22] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[11:22] <KeithWeisshar> i already deleted the iso
[11:22] <korptix> k
[11:22] <bimberi> korptix: ^^^^ (sorry korpios)
[11:23] <wckdkl0wn> ubuntu uses .deb files right?
[11:23] <Ng> yes
[11:23] <owner> yes
[11:23] <nbound> KeithWeisshar, lmao, either dload it again, or get the cd iso
[11:23] <wckdkl0wn> k
[11:23] <wckdkl0wn> just wanted to double check
[11:23] <Ng> but that doesn't mean you can just install any .deb file ;)
[11:23] <nbound> wckdkl0wn, yep its based off debian linux =)
[11:23] <Katie^> finally grub is in stalling
[11:24] <Psi-Jack> Konversation is an interesting little IRC client.
[11:24] <Psi-Jack> Not really... powerful, though, it seems. No actual way to script in it, or anything. heh
[11:25] <korptix> i got this error now
[11:25] <korptix> tar: korptix: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[11:25] <korptix> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[11:25] <korptix> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop/korptix$ tar -cvvf korptix.tar korptix\
[11:25] <korptix> >
[11:25] <korptix> tar: korptix: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[11:25] <korptix> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[11:25] <korptix> korptix@korptix:~/Desktop/korptix$ tar -cvvf korptix.tar korptix
[11:25] <nbound> korptix, USE PASTEBIN
[11:25] <korptix> ohh k
[11:25] <korptix> my bad
[11:25] <nbound> =P
[11:25] <korptix> ;]
[11:25] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: irssi :)
[11:25] <Ng> korptix: if you're trying to tar up the current directory, use "." at the end, not "korptix" - it's saying it can't find that
[11:26] <Psi-Jack> bobslaede: I like a more functional client, myself. :p If there were a KDE front-end for irssi, I might consider it.
[11:26] <de_silva> hello there. ubuntu 5.10 (base system) refuses to install on my pentium 2 computer... any chance of some assistance?
[11:26] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: i have it set up on a server, i just ssh it
[11:26] <Ng> Psi-Jack: irssi is extremely functional :)
[11:26] <korptix> Nh i did that and it didnt tar all of the files
[11:27] <nbound> de_silva, what error does it say?
[11:27] <korptix> *Ng
[11:27] <Psi-Jack> bobslaede: Heh, on a server, eh? You IRC from a server? Now that's just silly. :)
[11:27] <KeithWeisshar> even with the dvd disk in i still get a message to please insert the cd in the drive even whhen the dvd is already in the drive
[11:27] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: no no, its advanced
[11:27] <Ng> korptix: go up a directory and try your command again then, but that sounds very unlikely I have to say
[11:27] <blue-frog> Seveas, on some of your package (w32codec), I get permission denied (synaptic). Is that normal today?
[11:27] <de_silva> nbound: unable to install initrd-tools
[11:27] <Seveas> !tell blue-frog about seveas
[11:27] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: i never have to log off
[11:27] <nbound> de_silva, make sure ur cd isnt damaged =)
[11:28] <blue-frog> seveas am in but have permission denied...
[11:28] <Psi-Jack> bobslaede: Not that that's really always a good thing. :)
[11:28] <korptix> ok wait
[11:28] <korptix> !pastebin
[11:28] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:28] <de_silva> nbound, ok cool i'll try again w/ different cd.... thx
[11:28] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: sure it is ;)
[11:28] <KeithWeisshar> when i run nero it says no disc inserted even with the ubuntu dvd+r in the drive
[11:28] <thegladiator> how can I change the default brown background color of the ubuntu splash screen ?
[11:28] <nbound> de_silva, no worries =)
[11:28] <KeithWeisshar> i'm running nero cd-dvd speed
[11:28] <thegladiator> i know to change the splash but what about the background ?
[11:28] <lunatech> anyone here with whom I could talk about Ubuntu Asia Tour ?
[11:29] <Ng> thegladiator: it'll be somewhere in the gdm session I think
[11:29] <nbound> KeithWeisshar, why do u run that it slows down ur cd drive...
[11:29] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: it rocks
[11:29] <hawking> I have neither bluetooth nor any printing device but printing services and bluetooth services are started at startup also tor is started at startup and I  want to prevent those somehow can someone help?
[11:29] <Seveas> lunatech, probably not, better mail them
[11:29] <korptix> ok here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7062
[11:30] <Ng> hawking: the servers that run at boot are in /etc/rc2.d/ you can remove the symlinks from there of things you don't want to start
[11:30] <Katie^> ooo
[11:30] <Katie^> i thin it worked
[11:30] <thegladiator> Ng, did you mean system->admin>login screen setup ? it is not there
[11:30] <hawking> Ng : thanks
[11:30] <korptix> Ng ?
[11:30] <Ng> korptix: like I said, use "." instead of "korptix" at the end. you put "*.*" which means any file with a . in it, not . as in the current directory
[11:30] <thegladiator> hawking, you can also install something like bum from the repo's
[11:31] <hawking> thegladiator : you mean bum?
[11:31] <Ng> korptix: notice that the only directories/files in the tarball have . in their name
[11:31] <Psi-Jack> bobslaede: I used to always be on IRC. Wether here, or not. I got over it. :)
[11:31] <thegladiator> hawking, bum = boot up manager
[11:31] <lunatech> thanks Seveas
[11:31] <Ng> thegladiator: no, I mean somewhere in /etc/gdm/
[11:31] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: me too, but now im back
[11:31] <Psi-Jack> Heh, cool. Konversation supports colored nicks. :D
[11:31] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: its easy, i can log on from home, or the office
[11:31] <korptix> so what do i use Ng ?
[11:31] <hawking> thegladiator : I know that I just need an easy solution without any proggys :)
[11:31] <Psi-Jack> bobslaede: Heh, what do you do, use screen?
[11:32] <Ng> korptix: to make a tarball of the current directory: "tar cvf foo.tar ."
[11:32] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: yeah
[11:32] <korptix> Ok
[11:32] <thegladiator> hawking, ah k
[11:32] <bobslaede> Psi-Jack: and a dummy user, no trouble
[11:32] <Ng> hawking: /etc/rc2.d/
[11:32] <Ng> is quite simple
[11:32] <hawking> Ng : cupsys is the printing service right?
[11:33] <Ng> yes
[11:33] <Mabus06> I plugged in another hard drive and now my computer boots really slow... anyone know why
[11:33] <korptix> Ng : can u just give me the command
[11:34] <nbound> Mabus06, it may have made ur other dirve default to PIO mode
[11:34] <hawking> I get this error at startup for like 10 times : "device mapper dmlinear device lookup failed" why is that?
[11:34] <Mabus06> nbound, pio mode?
[11:34] <tikuck> Hi - I'm having problems starting new X sessions after I changed my root partition's size using acronis discdirector. (the error log says that, e.g., creating /dev/X is not possible.)
[11:34] <nbound> Mabus06, its slower than dma access, if it was windows i could tell u how to check
[11:34] <Ng> korptix: I just did!
[11:34] <korptix> well it didnt work sir
[11:34] <preglow> hi, i need to compile my own kernel with better realtime caps. any special version i should use for ubuntu, or can i use whatever is newest?
[11:35] <Mabus06> nbound, and now also the cd I just used to install windows won't work
[11:35] <korptix> ahh wait
[11:35] <tikuck> Changing it back to its original size didn't help (again, using the acronis tool).
[11:35] <nbound> Mabus06, sounds like ur PC has some serious probs =P
[11:35] <tikuck> Anybody have a hint on what to try next?
[11:35] <dean__> !mp3
[11:35] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:35] <Ng> preglow: rebuilding the version in breezy would be your best bet imo
[11:36] <preglow> Ng: then that's what i'll do, thanks
[11:37] <tikuck> no one? =(
[11:38] <som1> there's no way to install ubuntu with a floppy, right? :s
[11:38] <nbound> tikuck, google it maybe
[11:38] <korptix> thanx Ng
[11:38] <Mabus06> som1, not even close lol
[11:38] <BadInput> hello all
[11:38] <bobslaede> som1: you probably could with a net install
[11:39] <Mabus06> som1, I imagine it is 'possible' but you'd have to use many floppies and it would be very hard, way beyond my scope
[11:39] <bobslaede> but another distro might a better choice for that
[11:39] <BadInput> anybody successfully get the ati driver working?
[11:39] <yatesy> yes
[11:39] <BadInput> debian can be installed off the net
[11:39] <nbound> som1, maybe if u had ~600 floppies, and knew what you were doing ;)
[11:39] <bobslaede> BadInput: once apon a time yes
[11:39] <Mabus06> BadInput, any reason why you aren't using fglrx?
[11:39] <tikuck> nbound: ok, I'll try that using elinks. thing is, I don't have anything but a console right now.
[11:39] <bobslaede> BadInput: flgrx or something
[11:39] <som1> haha.
[11:39] <som1> :(
[11:40] <bobslaede> arh, fglrx :p
[11:40] <BadInput> well i have it installed, but its using the mesa opengl instead of the ati gl that the drivers come with and glxgears moves at about 2.1 fps with the mesa open gl :)
[11:41] <yatesy> checked error log? checked kernel module is built and inserted into the kernel?
[11:41] <BadInput> well according to synaptic i don't need it since 5.10 has the module support built in
[11:41] <korptix> i also have Os: Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"
[11:41] <Mabus06> I'm installing XP on a hard drive which is set to master and I have my other unplugged. I'll then plug my other HD in and set it to master and the xp one to slave, and install ubuntu on the master. Am I about to do something that I will encounter problems with?
[11:41] <korptix> is there an update to a better os ?
[11:41] <Mabus06> korptix, yes and no.
[11:42] <Mabus06> You 'can' use dapper, but it's unstable.
[11:42] <Ng> don't use dapper
[11:42] <Ng> stick with breezy until dapper is released (April)
[11:42] <korptix> anything else ?
[11:42] <Mabus06> Other than 'look at me, I'm using dapper' there's no real reason to use it.
[11:42] <BadInput> meh im never going to be able to play wow :(
[11:42] <korptix> ohh k
[11:42] <bobslaede> Mabus06: yeah
[11:42] <nbound> Mabus06, yes that will work if u want to change boot order each time u wanna change OSes
[11:42] <bobslaede> Mabus06: xp install itself in the mbr of your master harddrive
[11:42] <BadInput> actually it shouldn't matter
[11:42] <nbound> Mabus06, there are easier ways
[11:42] <Mabus06> nbound, huh? how should I have it set up then?
[11:43] <thegladiator> does festival run default when yopu boot into a system ?
[11:43] <BadInput> once xp is installed and then you change it to slave and then install ubuntu grub will add a entry for other os'
[11:43] <Katie^> if grub loads on boot
[11:43] <Katie^> does that mean it works?
[11:43] <Katie^> lol
[11:43] <bobslaede> Mabus06: you probably want to delete the mbr, and use grub to load it
[11:43] <Katie^> i mean it doesnt say anything about partitions or well anything
[11:43] <BadInput> i have a dual boot system just to play wow lol
[11:43] <nbound> Mabus06, id imagine give each a partition on drive one, and share the space on drive 2
[11:43] <thegladiator> is it safe to remove festival while booting ?
[11:43] <Ng> Katie^: does it boot ubuntu? if so, yes ;)
[11:43] <korptix> is it ok if i install koeppix now
[11:43] <nbound> Mabus06, but i havent dualbooted linux with anything yet =)
[11:43] <Mabus06> nbound, I would rather have them on separate drives
[11:44] <korptix> i have xp and ubuntu installed already
[11:44] <Katie^> yes it does
[11:44] <korptix> so it isnt ok ?
[11:44] <Katie^> i wasn't sure if maybe it was supposed to say other things you know, lol
[11:44] <Mabus06> korptix, breezy is the best OS out there right now anyway
[11:44] <korptix> Ok
[11:44] <Katie^> okay, well i have to reboot agani i shall return in a mo
[11:44] <Mabus06> in april or whatever, when dapper is released, get it
[11:44] <nbound> Mabus06, you could put linux on the master and edit GRUB/LILO to boot off the other drive if u tell it too
[11:44] <korptix> aight
[11:44] <tikuck> nbound: problem solved - I just had to remove my ~/.ICEauthority file. thanks for that tip ;)
[11:44] <Ng> kafeine: I think by default it just says "Press ESC for the boot menu" or something like that :)
[11:45] <Ng> err
[11:45] <korptix> and i have a file and its got a red lock on it why?
[11:45] <Ng> bahh
[11:45] <BadInput> since your not root :)
[11:45] <Mabus06> I'm confused by all the conflicting advice.
[11:45] <thegladiator> can I remove festival from boot up ? someone ?
[11:45] <korptix> ...
[11:45] <BadInput> the red lock means that you don' t have the specified permissions to access the file
[11:45] <Ng> thegladiator: if you don't want it to start when your PC boots, yes
[11:45] <nbound> tikuck, i dont remember what i helped you with the irc window doesnt go back that far =P
[11:45] <Mabus06> I want to be able to pick either xp or ubuntu to boot when I'm starting the computer up. I want each OS on different hard drives.
[11:45] <nbound> damn he left
[11:46] <nbound> Mabus06, what i just mentioned before will do that
[11:46] <yatesy> maddler: thats what a boot manager like grub or lilo is for :)
[11:46] <siimo> hi does ubuntu amd64 cd work with sempron 64bit?
[11:46] <yatesy> sorry maddler i mean Mabus06
[11:46] <nbound> siimo, yes i t should
[11:46] <Mabus06> I dont know how to use grub though
[11:46] <thegladiator> Ng, I can run it if its needed from the terminal , yes ?
[11:46] <BadInput> Mabus06, you can do it, install xp on one drive aka master for now, then replace it as slave install ubuntu on the new master hdd after ubuntu installs it will detect the windows xp os and then add a entry to boot from in grub
[11:46] <nbound> siimo, it should work with any x86-64 cpu =)
[11:47] <bobslaede> Mabus06: sorry, it was probably me who was wrong, the mbr shouldnt matter when its on the slave, however, i would delete it
[11:47] <thegladiator> does the service make any considerable difference ?
[11:47] <nbound> Mabus06, what badinput said will get you goin
[11:47] <siimo> ok i will try installing it
[11:47] <thegladiator> I have not yet some across its use in my system , where is it used really ?
[11:47] <Ng> thegladiator: yep, something like "sudo /etc/init.d/festival start"
[11:47] <mwe> siimo: think twice before installing the 64bit version though. there are several problems with the 64bit version
[11:47] <Ng> festival is a speech synthesiser
[11:47] <BadInput> bah got spammed
[11:47] <Mabus06> BadInput, and then I just pick which one I want to use whenever grub comes up?
[11:47] <BadInput> yup
[11:48] <korptix> also how do i check who has loged in my ssh box ?
[11:48] <siimo> mwe, what kind of problems
[11:48] <BadInput> it will show you the linux os' first then it will say other operating systems and windows xp will be there
[11:48] <mwe> siimo: like things not working or only half-working
[11:48] <nbound> Mabus06, yep its as easy as that
[11:48] <thegladiator> time for a reboot
[11:48] <mwe> siimo: flahs, java plugin for example are not working. bad multimedia performance
[11:48] <mwe> flash*
[11:49] <BadInput> Mabus06, what kind of cpu do you have? its weird how ubuntu doesn't allow you to install a 686 kernel from the cd you have to download it afterwards
[11:49] <nbound> mwe, there is a flash workaround isnt there?
[11:49] <siimo> yeah i will run 32bit emulation for flash/java/media
[11:49] <korptix> ok ok hes one more erro
[11:49] <korptix> r
[11:49] <Mabus06> pentium 4, BadInput
[11:49] <BadInput> flash works fine for me
[11:49] <bobslaede> i got flash
[11:49] <BadInput> so once you get in first thing install the 686 kernel
[11:49] <mwe> siimo: you'll have to install a 32bit chroot environment then
[11:49] <nbound> siimo, i run x86-64 version its fine =)
[11:49] <Mabus06> BadInput, but I've been using 386 for the past few months just fine. what's so good about 686
[11:49] <korptix> its limewire http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7063
[11:49] <dean__> korptix, 'users'
[11:49] <BadInput> it has improved support for p4 cpus
[11:50] <nbound> Mabus06, 686 is more optimized
[11:50] <korptix> sorr y?
[11:50] <SweetestSavage> Hey, mwe, I got the problem fixed and my computer is 100% again
[11:50] <korptix> *sorry dean_
[11:50] <dean__> the command users shows who's logged in
[11:50] <korptix> i dont understand what u mran
[11:50] <korptix> ohh k
[11:50] <mwe> siimo: I don't think there's mych point in installing the 64bit version at this point, for the average user.
[11:50] <korptix> what about ip's ?
[11:50] <zuverink> can anyone help me figure out why I cant connect to my machines ftp server, it says connection refused.  I am using proftp.
[11:50] <nbound> mwe, why not?
[11:51] <Ng> korptix: the command "w" will show you who is logged on and from where
[11:51] <SweetestSavage> zuverink, are you connecting with your WAN IP or LAN?
[11:51] <Mabus06> BadInput, any idea why now that I have this new hard drive in instead of my old one the screen where it says '1024mb ram ok' and whatnot sticks for a long time?
[11:51] <siimo> i didnt get a 64bit cpu for running 32bit os
[11:51] <mwe> nbound: because too much stuff is broken or only half working
[11:51] <Katie^> okay
[11:51] <bobslaede> zuverink: use scp :)
[11:51] <dean__> Ng, thats neat
[11:51] <SweetestSavage> siimo, it's unstable and it has a lot less support
[11:51] <korptix> thanx Ng
[11:51] <BadInput> are you using auto detect?
[11:51] <BadInput> for the hdd?
[11:51] <nbound> mwe... its been fine for me
[11:51] <korptix> N: what about this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7063
[11:51] <siimo> yeah i will play around with it
[11:51] <SweetestSavage> siimo, my entire computer crashed after about 2 weeks of using it, due to 32-bit chrooting.. it wasn't good
[11:51] <korptix> *Ng
[11:51] <Mabus06> BadInput, I don't know... I'm having problems and I don't know whats up
[11:51] <zuverink> SweetestSavage: Connecting to local host and tried via lan
[11:51] <SweetestSavage> zuverink, did you configure it properly? Are you connecting to the right port?
[11:52] <BadInput> if you had 2 hdd's in there and its set to auto detect it will sit there looking for the hdd you just removed
[11:52] <Ng> korptix: follow the Sun Java section of the RestrictedFormats wiki page
[11:52] <Mabus06> BadInput, so what do I do
[11:52] <korptix> whats the link ?
[11:52] <nbound> mwe, u can use gflash (??) to do it
[11:52] <BadInput> go into your bios and set them up manually
[11:52] <Ng> mwe: some people might view the lack of flash as a bonus ;)
[11:52] <Ng> mwe: but you could easily run a 32bit firefox
[11:52] <BadInput> usually you can just hit enter on the device and it detects the CHS auto for you
[11:52] <siimo> mwe, from the documentation ive read you can just install 32bit firefox and use flash and java plugins
[11:52] <Mabus06> BadInput, and now it says to put in proper boot device... but it's set to boot from cdrom and the xp cd is in it
[11:52] <zuverink> SweetestSavage: I installed it via synaptic, and I am connecting to the right port.
[11:52] <SweetestSavage> siimo, be warned that it is experimental at best, so you may run into stability issues
[11:52] <BadInput> you got a option for a boot menu?
[11:53] <nbound> mwe, as ng said u can also run 32bit firefox, its the same as u would do on XP x64
[11:53] <mwe> siimo: you cannot just install 32bit firefox. you need a 32bit chroot
[11:53] <Ng> siimo: you can. Personally I went back to the 32bit version because I'm too lazy to do that, but it is entirely possible
[11:53] <siimo> i think blackdown has 64bit java too
[11:53] <zuverink> SweetestSavage: always says connection refused
[11:53] <SweetestSavage> zuverink, hmm that's a little strange. I'm sorry, I only know the basics of FTP servers.
[11:53] <Ng> siimo: blackdown sucks ;)
[11:53] <Mabus06> BadInput, nope... reboot or retry
[11:53] <BadInput> do you hear the cd spin up?
[11:53] <bobslaede> Mabus06: can you boot from your xp disk, if its set to master?
[11:53] <korptix> Ng: whats the link ?
[11:53] <nbound> !restricted formats
[11:53] <ubotu> well, restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[11:53] <siimo> linux is my experimental os anyway
[11:54] <mwe> nbound: so you're saying you don't need 32bit chroot to run ff 32bit on 64bit ubuntu?
[11:54] <mwe> nbound: that's new to me
[11:54] <SweetestSavage> mwe, it's impossible to run 32-bit firefox on 64-bit ubuntu
[11:54] <SweetestSavage> Without chroot
[11:54] <nbound> no i didnt say that :p
[11:54] <zuverink> also, what does it mean when it says "cant stat source package list http://..."
[11:54] <Ng> it's not impossible
[11:54] <mwe> SweetestSavage: that's what I stated
[11:54] <nbound> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-f4b5a0e592cf89fac0bb7f5388c8e1733413af21 <--- flash for x86-64
[11:54] <Ng> you'd probably just need to compile some more compatibility libs yourself
[11:54] <Mabus06> ok BadInput i'm at the ide settings of my bios
[11:55] <Mabus06> do I turn pio mode off or something?
[11:55] <SweetestSavage> Ng, well, yeah. But I don't think everyone here is a C++ programmer =P
[11:55] <jneves> has anyone ever seen evolution stop showing a folder?
[11:55] <mwe> why bother the trouble of 64bit ubuntu?
[11:55] <Mabus06> errr, not off... but to something other than auto?
[11:55] <Ng> SweetestSavage: you wouldn't need to do any programming, just compiling, which is quite a bit different ;)
[11:55] <SweetestSavage> siimo, and if you're thinking about using it for performance.. there's virtually no difference
[11:55] <SweetestSavage> Ng, if you run into errors you may
[11:55] <mwe> you'll get worse performance for multimedia or have to run 32bit chroot
[11:55] <jneves> other folders work - but Inbox doesn't
[11:55] <SweetestSavage> Ng, and if you're compiling from a 32-bit source, you most definitely will
[11:55] <mwe> why not just install 32bit then
[11:55] <Ng> SweetestSavage: rubbish
[11:56] <zuverink> SweetestSavage: what does it mean when it says it cant stat source package list?
[11:56] <SweetestSavage> Ng, how so?
[11:56] <BadInput> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7064 <-- is ther esomething im missing for the vid driver to work properly?
[11:56] <SweetestSavage> zuverink, it means it can't find it
[11:56] <Ng> SweetestSavage: because all of this code compiles in 32bit and 64bit compilers already
[11:56] <bobslaede> Mabus06: check the dma stuff, if thats what its called
[11:56] <bobslaede> or dba
[11:56] <BadInput> well attempt to detect the hdd settings
[11:56] <siimo> because i already run 32bit ubuntu on my athlon xp machine
[11:56] <BadInput> what bios is this?
[11:56] <Mabus06> bobslaede, dma is on auto.. what do I put it at?
[11:56] <zuverink> SweetestSavage: why would it say that, like its gone off the server or something?
[11:56] <mwe> fill your own shoes. Personnaly I don't think 64bit is mature enough for the desktop
[11:56] <SweetestSavage> Ng, well yes, but I'll give you an example. I was compiling a program, StepMania, under 64-bit and I ran into loss of focus issues. I had to hack the source code to get it to work.
[11:56] <BadInput> leave dma as is