[02:26] <Ahmuck> how many instructors are involved in the edubuntu project?
[02:26] <Ahmuck> K-12 educational instructors
[02:26] <sbalneav> None, as far as I know.
[02:26] <sbalneav> Contributers, at least.
[02:27] <Ahmuck> what is a contributer?
[02:27] <sbalneav> Well, someone contributing code, writing docs, etc.
[02:27] <Ahmuck> so it's not just code, correct?
[02:28] <sbalneav> Well, there's packaging, fixing bugs, writing docs, maintaining the wiki, etc.
[02:28] <Ahmuck> beyond the edubuntu project, there is kde education, etc.  does gnome also have an educational department?
[02:28] <sbalneav> No, there's no parallel with kde-edu team in Gnome, AFAIK
[02:29] <Ahmuck> what other organizations in the linux world are there targeting education?
[02:30] <sbalneav> Well, there's The Fedora K12 project, Edubuntu, and upstream, kdeedu.
[02:30] <sbalneav> In europe, there's also skolelinux
[02:31] <sbalneav> skolelinux uses an older version of Debian
[02:32] <sbalneav> A large number of the people who are involved with the Fedora K12 are ALSO involved with Edubuntu
[02:32] <Ahmuck> http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7181/ - i found this article
[02:32] <sbalneav> and most are actively involved with LTSP
[02:33] <Ahmuck> ltsp is used by major distros (commercial)
[02:33] <Ahmuck> ?
[02:34] <sbalneav> Yes, LTSP is now included as part of Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, and SuSE.
[02:34] <Ahmuck> sold commercially with comercial support?
[02:34] <Ahmuck> though i don't think debian sells anything
[02:35] <sbalneav> Well, The LTSP project itself doesn't have commercial support.  But Ubuntu sells commercial support.
[02:35] <sbalneav> And Warren Togami, who's the founder of the Fedora project, is actively involved in LTSP, and I'm sure it will eventually make it's way into RHEL.
[02:35] <Ahmuck> as well as Fedora, Suse ?
[02:36] <Ahmuck> er, RedHat
[02:36] <Ahmuck> Are you aware of any large installations (commercial) of LTSP?
[02:36] <sbalneav> Define large?
[02:36] <Ahmuck> Blue Cross and Blue Shield
[02:37] <Ahmuck> American Family Insuranse
[02:37] <Ahmuck> A college
[02:37] <Ahmuck> A state government
[02:37] <Ahmuck> or a medium sized business
[02:37] <sbalneav> Well, where I work, we run on LTSP, which is 200+ workstations.
[02:38] <sbalneav> I know the telecentros project in Brazil uses it, which is 10,000 + terminals.
[02:38] <sbalneav> the University of Amazonia uses it.  Several thousand terminals.
[02:38] <sbalneav> etc.
[02:39] <Ahmuck> in the usa, are you aware of any large educational installations?
[02:41] <sbalneav> I'm not in the USA, but I know Ellesworth High School uses Edubuntu, and there's some municiple government in Florida that has 400+ ltsp terminals.
[02:42] <Ahmuck> http://www.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SuccessStories#Local_Net_Solutions_installs_7_s
[02:44] <sbalneav> K so, there you go.
[02:46] <Ahmuck> so there are no educators in edubuntu or kde education, etc?
[02:46] <Ahmuck> that you are aware of, primarily coders
[02:46] <sbalneav> No, unfortunalely.
[02:47] <sbalneav> We'd love to have some.  But until we get some, you're stuck with us.
[02:47] <sbalneav> You're an educator, right?
[02:50] <Ahmuck> my mother is.  i teach, but not in the education system.  i teach via lugs and promotion via lugs through county fairs, and creating lugs
[02:51] <Ahmuck> i'm connected to the education system through people
[02:53]  * Ahmuck goes to peruse edubuntu's website
[02:57] <Ahmuck> does the ubuntu site list a set of apps for homework management, etc.?
[02:57] <Ahmuck> school planning, school calendar?
[03:02] <sbalneav> I can't remember the one that's an installable package in Ubuntu.
[03:03] <sbalneav> but there is a CMS for classrooms.
[03:06] <Ahmuck> essentially edubuntu provides a base and then requires the educator to set up the other aspects
[03:06] <Ahmuck> would there be a reason to build a ubuntu ltsp distro with a set of pre-installed pre-configured packages for educators?
[03:07] <sbalneav> Um, that's what Edubuntu is/
[03:07] <sbalneav> Edubuntu comes with a set of pre-installed apps, and sets up an LTSP network for you.
[03:08] <sbalneav> Or is there something that you feel Edubuntu ISN'T providing that it should.
[03:08] <sbalneav> Ah
[03:08] <sbalneav> Moodle.
[03:09] <sbalneav> i   moodle  - Course Management System for Online Learning
[03:52] <sbalneav> wb Ahmuck
[04:14] <nothingman> I'm not getting anything when I log into my edubuntu server from a graphical login screen; just a black screen with the arrow cursor; I also can't seem to add users from the users-admin screen, though my user is the only one I've added so far
[04:14] <nothingman> PS: hi, all!
[04:15] <Ahmuck> from a ltsp client?
[04:15] <Ahmuck> or from the gdm on the server?
[04:15] <nothingman> from a client
[04:16] <nothingman> from the gdm on the server, I login fine, but am unable to add users
[04:16] <Ahmuck> [22:15] <nothingman> I also have my edubuntu ltsp server here at home to troubleshoot before I bring it back to the school tomorrow, but no screen to attach to it and the 'net-side interface is a wireless one set to connect to the school's AP; can I ssh into the terminal-side interface if it's connected to my router?
[04:17] <nothingman> thx, Ahmuck
[04:18] <Ahmuck> so ur sshing from home to the server at home via a thin client you've connected through ?
[04:18] <Ahmuck> headless server?
[04:18] <Ahmuck> thin client at home?
[04:19] <nothingman> haven't tried one yet
[04:19] <nothingman> only have one cat5 cable here, I think
[04:19] <Ahmuck> i'm confused
[04:19] <nothingman> sshing from my laptop to the server
[04:20] <Ahmuck> server is at home and headless, and your connecting from the laptop to the server via ssh wirelessly
[04:20] <nothingman> right
[04:20] <nothingman> but the server is plugged in from the term-side interface to the router
[04:21] <nothingman> is ssh available by default on that interface?
[04:21] <Ahmuck> laptop (wireless) --> router (wireless AP) --> server
[04:21] <nothingman> I work for two private schools in my area with laptops whose drives have been dying since the warranty expired; a working edubuntu server would be a big win
[04:21] <sbalneav> nothingman: What kind of thin client are you using?
[04:22] <nothingman> Ahmuck, yes, but with the server connected by a wire
[04:22] <nothingman> sbalneav: none atm
[04:23] <sbalneav> So, the "nothing at the graphical login screens" at the console?
[04:23] <Ahmuck> i assume your wanting to do it this way because you are testing it this way to do it similar at school?
[04:23] <sbalneav> of the server?
[04:23] <nothingman> sbalneav: laptops with dead HDs at the school, where I get the black screen
[04:24] <sbalneav> Do you have one there to test with?
[04:24] <Ahmuck> ur wanting to boot the laptops with ltsp?
[04:24] <nothingman> Ahmuck: no, have a monitor I'd like to attach but it's not capable of the same resolution, so I have to change xorg.conf first
[04:24] <nothingman> sbalneav: yes, but I don't think I have another cord
[04:25] <Ahmuck> can you boot your laptop hooked up directly to the ltsp server via a cord?
[04:25] <sbalneav> Kinda hard to help you debug a problem without the problem being there to work on. :)
[04:25] <Ahmuck> cord/cable
[04:25] <Ahmuck> hook the laptop up to the server client side and boot via network.  open a terminal and change the resolution
[04:27] <nothingman> Ahmuck; I don't have a crossover cable, and no extra cat5
[04:27] <Ahmuck> inet --> wireless router --> server --> laptop
[04:27] <Ahmuck> the nics aren't auto sense?
[04:27] <nothingman> is ssh enabled by default on the termside nic, or no?
[04:27] <nothingman> Ahmuck: no
[04:27] <sbalneav> nothingman: yes it is.
[04:28] <nothingman> OK, strange
[04:28] <Ahmuck> sorry
[04:28] <nothingman> no prob
[04:28] <sbalneav> ltsp uses ssh to log in, so it should be enabled.
[04:28] <sbalneav> if it's not, that's a problem.
[04:38] <nothingman_> back again
[04:38] <nothingman_> had to mess with my ip config
[04:38] <nothingman_> now I was able to log in
[04:38] <nothingman_> and change my xorg.conf
[04:38] <nothingman_> now, can anyone answer my question about getting a black screen on login from a terminal?
[04:39] <nothingman_> a client, I mean
[04:39] <nothingman_> and about not being able to administer users from users-admin
[04:40] <sbalneav> OK, are you talking about administering the users from a thin client?
[04:40] <Ahmuck> blinking cursor ?
[04:40] <sbalneav> Because there's a bug in the consolekit that makes the user config fail if done from a thin client.
[04:40] <nothingman_> Ahmuck: no, pointer, from the ldm screen login to just a black screen with the cursor
[04:40] <sbalneav> as for the blinking cursor on a thin client, once again: can you hook up one of them to try?
[04:41] <Ahmuck> sbalneav: he's getting a mouse arrow with black screen
[04:41] <Ahmuck> it's failing after login
[04:41] <nothingman_> sbalneav: no, from a gdm-logged-in console attached directly (kv&m) to the server
[04:41] <nothingman_> separate issues
[04:41] <nothingman_> black screen is logging in from a thin client, users-admin I'm trying to run from a gdm login
[04:41]  * Ahmuck goes back to being quiet
[04:41] <sbalneav> ok, so what happens when you try to add a user?
[04:43] <nothingman_> absolutely nothing, all buttons are greyed out except for "Manage Groups", "Help" and "Close"
[04:43] <sbalneav> are you trying to run users-admin from a user that has admin priviledges?
[04:43] <sbalneav> try this
[04:43] <nothingman_> afaict, yes
[04:43] <nothingman_> the only user I set up
[04:43] <nothingman_> not root, though
[04:43] <sbalneav> as that user open up a terminal
[04:43] <sbalneav> then type "id"
[04:43] <nothingman_> OK
[04:43] <sbalneav> paste the results
[04:44] <nothingman_> groups: adm,dialout,cdrom,plugdev,lpadmin,admin,sambashare,jmarris
[04:44] <nothingman_> uid=1000(jmarris) gid=1000(jmarris) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),110(lpadmin),119(admin),126(sambashare),1000(jmarris)
[04:44] <nothingman_> the first line I typed by hand to be quick, not that it was
[04:45] <nothingman_> what group am I missing?
[04:46] <sbalneav> So, there isn't an "unlock" button on the bottom of the users and groups manager?
[04:46] <nothingman_> correct
[04:47] <sbalneav> ok, at the same command prompt, what happens if you type "sudo -i"
[04:47] <nothingman_> I get the root prompt
[04:48] <sbalneav> And what version of ubuntu are you running?
[04:48] <nothingman_> 8.10
[04:48] <sbalneav> Not sure then.
[04:49] <sbalneav> works here on mine, but I'm running hardy.
[04:49] <sbalneav> I never use the graphical user manager anyway, I always just use the command line tools.
[04:50] <sbalneav> I'd say it sounds like a bug, myself.
[04:50] <sbalneav> are all your updates... up to date? :)
[04:51] <nothingman_> yeah, when I left on Thursday they were
[04:52] <sbalneav> hmm
[04:52] <sbalneav> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/231246
[04:52] <sbalneav> Seems to indicate it's related to what's in /etc/hosts
[04:52] <sbalneav> cat you paste your /etc/hosts to the pastebin?
[04:52] <sbalneav> !pastebin
[04:53] <nothingman_> interesting
[04:53] <nothingman_> I have <IP_ADDRESS> localhost
[04:53] <nothingman_> and <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu
[04:53] <nothingman_> I thought I changed it to tech-server or something like that
[04:53] <sbalneav> that's it for your /etc/hosts?
[04:54] <sbalneav> what do you have for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:54] <nothingman_> no, I'll do that
[04:55] <sbalneav> so whatever the hostname is
[04:55] <nothingman_> strange that mozilla SeaMonkey doesn't open in new tabs like FF
[04:55] <nothingman_> ubuntu
[04:55] <nothingman_> ubuntu again
[04:55] <sbalneav> then you'll want a line like <IP_ADDRESS> ubuntu
[04:55] <nothingman_> that's what it is
[04:57] <nothingman_> I'm getting silence; is everyone there?
[04:58] <sbalneav> I'm here
[04:58] <nothingman_> k, thx
[04:59] <nothingman_> I have a Win machine that has crapware installed using my connection, too
[04:59] <nothingman_> trying to get to Wupdate on it
[04:59] <nothingman_> so it's taking up quite a bit of bandwidth
[04:59] <sbalneav> As for the black screen, in order to help you debug that, I'd need to have you hook up the thin client.
[05:00] <nothingman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/76254/
[05:01] <sbalneav> when you type the "hostname" command at the prompt, that's what you get?
[05:01] <nothingman_> OK
[05:01] <nothingman_> there's nothing I could do once I have a user enabled to login from it to ensure a desktop shows up eventually on the thin client?
[05:02] <sbalneav> A user should be able to log into the thin client no problem
[05:02] <nothingman_> yup
[05:02] <sbalneav> Does the thin client get the login screen?
[05:03] <nothingman_> yeah
[05:03] <nothingman_> and after I login as my (sole) user from that term, it goes away and there's just a black background and the pointer cursor
[05:03] <sbalneav> K, well, that shounds like the ssh wasn't running.
[05:04] <nothingman_> actually, I've been logged into the termside ssh this whole time
[05:04] <nothingman_> since I changed my laptop's and router's IPs
[05:05] <Ahmuck> interesting, i had the same problem with user addition
[05:06] <Ahmuck> so i thought i would use sabayon, but sabayon crashes on me
[05:06] <nothingman_> how did you fix it?
[05:06] <Ahmuck> i haven't
[05:07] <nothingman_> no clues from my hosts file, sbalneav?
[05:09] <sbalneav> What does the output of 'polkit-auth --show-obtainable' give you
[05:12] <nothingman_> com.ubuntu.devicedriver.install
[05:12] <sbalneav> that's it?
[05:13] <nothingman_> yup
[05:15] <sbalneav> Something's broken with your policykit then, I'd say.
[05:15] <sbalneav> what does ck-list-sessions give you?
[05:15] <nothingman_> what's the command for the gnome policykit admin utility?
[05:16] <sbalneav> darned if I know, like I say, I always use the command line for all admin activities.
[05:16] <sbalneav> That always works :)
[05:19] <nothingman_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/76265/
[05:19] <sbalneav> how are you doing this?
[05:20] <sbalneav> You're logged in via ssh?
[05:20] <sbalneav> I thought you were logged in at the console?
[05:21] <sbalneav> your display device is /dev/ssh
[05:21] <sbalneav> That shouldn't be if you're on the console.
[05:22] <nothingman_> huzzah!
[05:23] <nothingman_> I changed "root" in PolicyKit.conf to "jmarris"
[05:23] <nothingman_> shabizzle!
[05:23] <sbalneav> Shouldn't need to do that.
[05:24] <sbalneav> You've got something else wrong, but whatever.
[05:24] <nothingman_> yeah, but I couldn't run the gui policykit tools from the command line
[05:24] <nothingman_> so ftm, it works
[05:25] <nothingman_> now I can change my defaults in the gui, then change that back and I'm secure again
[05:37] <nothingman_> still there?
[05:40]  * Ahmuck writes that down
[05:42] <sbalneav> I'm still here, yeah
[05:42] <Ahmuck> is that a bug?
[05:42] <Ahmuck> any reason a default install would have to modify the policykit.conf?
[05:42] <Ahmuck> shouldn't the su be able to do this?
[05:44] <sbalneav> Policy kit's tied up with the hostname, so since he's taken the machine out of the school and has it at home, I'd say it now has a different concept of "who it is" and that's where the problem lies.
[05:45] <nothingman_> had this problem at the school, actually
[05:45] <Ahmuck> same here
[05:45] <Ahmuck> vanilla install
[05:46] <Ahmuck> so, only able to change on physical host?  unable to change via a thin client?
[05:46] <nothingman_> reading through that launchpad, it seems the default policy is for *no* user but root to have any control over the system
[05:46] <Ahmuck> this might fix a lot of things for me
[05:47] <sbalneav> Yes, currently, policy kit doesn't know anything about ltsp terminals.
[05:47] <nothingman_> and adding a line -- something to do with auth_as_admin, or some such, will allow an admin group user to change it, rather than mucking the way I did
[05:47] <nothingman_> Ahmuck, I was sshing from an Ubuntu laptop connected through the term-side interface
[05:48] <Ahmuck> ran across a firefox addon called glubble
[05:48] <Ahmuck> interesting, but not sure i want it on, as everytime the browser opens, it opens that as an added tab
[05:56] <Ahmuck> nm, glubble is great for what were trying to do
[05:57] <Ahmuck> i can restrict children to children's pages by setting up firefox on that user with gubble kid's page
[06:03] <Ahmuck> that is a kewl kid's browser
[06:24] <Ahmuck> edubuntu needs a firefox extension similar to glubble.  a whitelist browser
[15:53] <nothingman> hi, all
[15:53] <nothingman> still having the trouble with a black screen on logging in via thin client
[16:00] <nothingman> I don't see anything in the documentation about setting up a desktop for users, though I assume having an appropriate .xsession file would be sufficient
[16:07] <nothingman> hi, all
[16:07] <nothingman> still having trouble logging in from a thin client
[16:10] <nothingman> I get a black screen with the arrow cursor
[16:12] <nothingman> nothing in the documentation seems to explain how to create a desktop for a user
[16:13] <nothingman> can anyone explain why I wouldn't have user home directories in my /opt/ltsp/i386?
[16:21] <nothingman> is anyone here?
[18:16]  * highvoltage could do with a chocolate milkshake right now
[19:40] <Fritz87> hello
[20:27] <Knight709> hey everybody! I'm looking for statistics or research about the disadvantages that comes with a lack of computers in education, has anyone had any experience on the subject or have any suggestions for a good place to look?
[20:28] <Knight709> I'm finding a lot of opinions but I havent had much luck with finding anything research-supported
[21:22] <Fritz87> hey guys, what do you think of this idea for a school: laptop carts moved from room to room with netbooks running edubuntu
[21:23] <Fritz87> 1 cart per 5 classrooms
[21:23] <Fritz87> preferrably the eee pc 1000/1000h/1000ha (good keyboard, other stats are good, ~450 dollars)
[22:15] <Ahmuck> Fritz87: actually our school district here is doing that with windows
[22:24] <nubae> Ahmuck: did u try and contact me for something yesterday?
[22:24] <nubae> fatclient related I suppose :-)
[22:58] <Ahmuck> ah, yes
[22:59] <Ahmuck> i followed your tutorial, and everything works, thin clients boot, etc. until i modify the dhcpd.conf and add the fat client section
[22:59] <Ahmuck> then i can no longer boot fat or thin clients
[22:59] <nubae> can u paste your dhcpd.conf
[22:59] <nubae> to pastebin.be


[02:10] <spy> hi
[02:12] <louvetvicente> Hello I have several entries in the 'Computer' Section of Caja that are inaccessible, how do I clean them up?
[02:13] <louvetvicente> The drives are installed and I am able to access them by visiting the mount location, but clicking on the icon in the computer section of caja causes an error message
[02:14] <louvetvicente> https://imgur.com/a/1952d
[02:14] <louvetvicente> Anyone have experience with this error message?
[13:06] <sale> can anyone help me to set my Display to the right resolution ?
[13:06] <ouroumov> hello sale
[13:06] <ouroumov> what have you tried?
[13:08] <sale> at fist i have updated ubuntu then i have tried it with prefrences but i cant change the resolution or anything when i tried to search for drivers firefox popped up and i became an error message form there i cant reach the internet  btw sorry for my bad english
[13:10] <marosg> sale: have you tried Display from application menu?
[13:10] <marosg> *Displays
[13:11] <sale> what do you mean?
[13:14] <sale> ive heard that i can fix this thru the terminal via any command but could not find that command without internet connection
[13:17] <marosg> when you go to applications menu, find application named Displays
[14:57] <ubuntu-mate> I am using a bluetooth speaker ... it disconnects and connects every often
[14:57] <ubuntu-mate> Everytime I have to change the sound preference and restart the page
[14:58] <ubuntu-mate> how to fix this can anyone help
[15:02] <mate-mait-mayt> bluetooth power saving "feature"?
[15:04] <ubuntu-mate> can we turn off power saving to use it continuously?
[15:07] <mate-mait-mayt> Looks like that may already be the default. Check this forum post: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327665
[15:14] <mate-mait-mayt> Did setting the timeout manually help?
[15:25] <ubuntu-mate> Actually I am using live on usb... it is mentioned there to reboot ...
[15:25] <ubuntu-mate> Changed the setting but no luck ... i think restart is a must
[15:25] <ubuntu-mate> will check after installing it ...
[15:41] <ubuntu-mate> @mate-mait-mayt thank you
[17:11] <jnewt> how do i save from firefox to network location?  i can't figure out how to navigate there using the dialog box that pops up.
[17:35] <mate-mait-mayt> is the network location mounted?
[20:43] <uofm49426> can some help me with why 17.04 halt for 5 to 10 minutes after slash screen closes and before login screen popsup
[20:44] <uofm49426> im using mate 17.04 xubuntu 17.04 has same problm
[20:45] <uofm49426> is there a bug with swap file
[23:27] <clovis> Para que serve isso?


[12:31] <gnomefreak> knix_: 19thish
[12:33] <knix_> great, ty
[12:34] <knix_> hey gnomefreak do you have a sec
[12:34] <gnomefreak> lna little bit yes
[12:37] <knix_> gnomefreak, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406220
[12:38] <gnomefreak> give me a few its taking a while due to uploads
[12:38] <knix_> no prob, ill be here
[12:40] <gnomefreak> knix_: im not sure i have never used it before sorry :(
[12:40] <knix_> no prob
[12:40] <knix_> ty for looking
[12:40] <gnomefreak> hang out here long enough someone will come along that knows more about it
[12:45] <knix_> heehee, ok
[04:16] <alcros> hi everyone
[04:17] <alcros> I'm new to edubuntu and by that, I'm stuck on the login screen of one of the thinclients, why can't I login?
[04:17] <alcros> I added the new users to the server
[04:17] <alcros> but that doesn't seem to help
[04:21] <bimberi> alcros: can you log onto the server as one of the users
[04:21] <bimberi> ?
[04:21] <alcros> yes
[04:21] <alcros> I have three different users and they all work
[04:22] <alcros> on the server
[04:22] <alcros> but not on the thin client
[04:22] <bimberi> hm
[04:25] <bimberi> alcros: try running 'sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys' on the server.  Then rebooting the client.
[04:26] <alcros> ok, give me a couple of minutes cuz *this* is my thin client
[04:27] <alcros> I'll have to reboot
[04:27] <alcros> by the way, and just out of curiosity
[04:27] <alcros> I saw that on /opt/ltsp/i386/etc is a set of files just like in /etc
[04:27] <alcros> should I copy passwd and group to that directory?
[04:28] <bimberi> No.
[04:29] <knix_> is think client manager/x11vnc suppose to work out of the box?
[04:29] <bimberi> alcros: That's the /etc loaded onto the thin client.  There should be no need to log in locally.
[04:30] <alcros> ok, thanks bimberi I'll be right back... I'll just reboot to see if that works
[04:30] <knix_> thin*
[04:30] <bimberi> knix_: no idea sry
[04:30] <knix_> :(  ty anyway
[04:32] <greg_g> knix_: not having good luck today huh?
[04:33] <ScottyK> anybody have a minute to help a newbie?
[04:34] <knix_> greg_g, not really, I can't find the answers to this issue anywhere.  and i dont want to bug too much in here and piss people off
[04:34] <knix_> ScottyK, whats the beef?
[04:34] <ScottyK> just downloaded 6.10 how do I get it to fit on a blank DVD? it's a little too big
[04:35] <knix_> it should only be like 698 megs or something like that
[04:35] <knix_> just burn it as a iso and you should be ok
[04:35] <ScottyK> really? the one I downloaded is 4.8 GB
[04:36] <knix_> ughhhh
[04:36] <ScottyK> humm
[04:36] <knix_> i have never seen that one, i guess i a n00b right with ya.  The standard isos are 698 megs roughly
[04:37] <knix_> could you point me to where you dl it?
[04:37] <ScottyK> ok, i'll go back and check.. maybe I downloaded really weird!
[04:37] <ScottyK> sure..
[04:37] <ScottyK> let me get the URL
[04:37] <greg_g> this is where it should come from:
[04:37] <greg_g> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[04:37] <knix_> nice one greg_g
[04:38] <greg_g> there is a 4.4 (amd64) and a 4.5 (i386)
[04:38] <ScottyK> feisty-dvd-i386.iso          08-Apr-2007 17:21  4.5G  Install/live DVD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)
[04:38] <knix_> have you tried to burn it yet?
[04:39] <greg_g> and it was from that link I posted right ScottyK?
[04:39] <knix_> you still have 200 megs free, you should be A-ok
[04:39] <ScottyK> yes
[04:39] <greg_g> ok
[04:39] <ScottyK> used nero 6.12
[04:39] <knix_> fail?
[04:39] <greg_g> yeah, it should work then, unless something borked during the download
[04:39] <knix_> right
[04:39] <ScottyK> said I needed more space
[04:39] <greg_g> what speed is your connection?
[04:39] <knix_> was your dvd a rw?
[04:40] <knix_> or just r?
[04:40] <ScottyK> just r
[04:40] <knix_> hmmm
[04:40] <ScottyK> oh crap
[04:40] <ScottyK> rw
[04:40] <greg_g> that is probably it ;)
[04:40] <ScottyK> don't remember getting rw's!
[04:40] <knix_> there ya go
[04:40] <greg_g> it probably already has data on it or something
[04:41] <knix_> go dl the standard cd iso, then add the packages later
[04:41] <ScottyK> no it's blank, right off the spindle
[04:41] <greg_g> or sometimes RWs end up being "smaller" after they are formatted
[04:41] <bimberi> ScottyK: or try the beta.  a bit older but smaller - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/beta/
[04:41] <greg_g> I second knix_
[04:41] <ScottyK> I've got some other blank DVD's at work, i'll try those tomorrow
[04:41] <knix_> glhf
[04:42] <greg_g> good luck h? friend???
[04:42] <greg_g> have fun?
[04:42] <knix_> good luck have fun
[04:42] <knix_> standard counter strike chat
[04:42] <ScottyK> thanks. if the other dvd's don't work then i'll try the beta. thanks!
[04:42] <greg_g> it has been a while since I have been on IRC
[04:43] <greg_g> no worries ScottyK
[04:43] <knix_> no prob, me too
[04:43] <knix_> greg_g, minnesota?
[04:43] <greg_g> yep
[04:43] <knix_> nice
[04:43] <greg_g> Minneapolis actually
[04:43] <knix_> even cooler, literally
[04:43] <ScottyK> greg - went to school in the twin cities many moons ago
[04:43] <greg_g> it is a good place
[04:44] <knix_> o.0
[04:44] <greg_g> I'm going to Michigan in the summer to attend the University of Michigan.. Grad student
[04:44] <knix_> and to you greg_g GLHF
[04:44] <knix_> lol
[04:45] <greg_g> yeah, I hope I am ready for grad school
[04:45] <knix_> I am trying t0 finish my college too, but I am waiting on edubuntu feisty to be flawless, and it's not looking to good
[04:45] <greg_g> knix_ that is a weird graduation requirement
[04:46] <alcros> bimberi: I just came back to thank you... that command "ltsp-update-sshkeys" did the job
[04:46] <knix_> well, it's what I chose.  I want to get Linux into education.  And I want to show the "bobs" all the great benfits of it.  If I cant get x11vnc to work, im SOL
[04:47] <bimberi> alcros: cool! np :)
[04:47] <greg_g> knix_ good point
[04:47] <greg_g> I am thinking of ways of using edubuntu (and other thin client OSes) for my studies also
[04:47] <knix_> greg_g, do you use aim, yahoo or what not?
[04:47] <knix_> sweet
[04:47] <alcros> I'm going back to keep poking around... thanks again !!!
[04:48] <greg_g> haven't used an IM program for a long time, gmail mostly
[04:48] <greg_g> good luck alcros
[04:48] <knix_> greg_g, do you mind if I email ya?
[04:48] <greg_g> no worries
[04:48] <knix_> mines stormchas3r at gmail dot com
[04:48] <greg_g> take my nick, replace the "_" with a "." and add "rossmeier"
[04:49] <knix_> gotcha
[04:50] <knix_> sent
[04:51] <greg_g> replied
[04:51] <greg_g> knix_: you an undergrad right now?
[04:52] <knix_> ya, im 27 and decided to go back
[04:52] <greg_g> right on
[04:52] <knix_> you?
[04:52] <greg_g> 24, took a year and a half off between undergrad and applying to grad school
[04:52] <knix_> i hear ya
[04:53] <greg_g> Computer Science and Anthropology undergrad (weird mix huh?) and going to Michigan for a Masters of Science of Information
[04:53] <knix_> not too shabby, very nice
[04:53] <greg_g> the degree that librarians need to be a librarian, but the school at Michigan is very multidisciplined, I am going to study "Community Informatics"
[04:54] <knix_> kewlness
[04:54] <greg_g> basically it is how communities can use (or better use) information to benefit themselves.  everything from how to write grant proposals for park improvements to libraries to whatever
[04:56] <knix_> i like that
[04:56] <knix_> always good to learn something new
[04:56] <knix_> well im off to bed.  check your mail, and hope to see ya again on here
[04:56] <greg_g> will do
[04:56] <greg_g> g'night
[04:58] <knix_> nighty night, dont let the windows bugs bite
[07:13] <pranav_> hi
[07:14] <pranav_> #code4lib
[07:28] <pranav_> Hi
[07:28] <pranav_> I want to know more about the schoolbell
[07:29] <pranav_> can somebody explaint me ??
[07:32] <pranav_> ??
[07:32] <pranav_> hello
[07:40] <bimberi> pranav_: what do you need to know?
[07:41] <bimberi> pranav_: http://www.schooltool.org/products/schoolbell is its website
[07:41] <pranav_> I need to know whether schooltool/schoolbell has an assignment submission system....
[07:43] <pranav_> bimberi: ^^^??
[07:44] <bimberi> pranav_: I don't think so (but could be wrong).
[07:44] <pranav_> hmm........
[07:45] <bimberi> pranav_: http://www.schooltool.org/st-products/schooltool-2006/index_html  doesn't seem to indicate that it does
[07:45] <pranav_> yes It doesent .....,
[07:46] <pranav_> bimberi: are a developer of edubuntu
[07:46] <pranav_> ??
[07:46] <bimberi> pranav_: no
[07:46] <pranav_> oh!!
[07:47] <pranav_> so you use edubuntu is that so??
[07:48] <bimberi> I use Edubuntu as a standalone workstation.  I don't have a LTSP setup.
[07:50] <pranav_> oh is it
[08:15] <juliux> morning
[08:17] <pranav_> morning
[08:18] <pranav_> may I know if you are one of the mentors for the GSOC
[08:21] <pranav_> juliux: ?
[08:22] <juliux> pranav_, no i am not a mentor;)
[08:23] <pranav_> oh ok
[08:24] <pranav_> may i know the nick of matthias Klose
[08:24] <juliux> his nickname is doko
[08:25] <juliux> you can find him in ubuntu-devel i think
[08:25] <pranav_> oh thank you very much
[12:21] <pygi> well, hya :)
[12:22] <ajmitch> hi pygi
[12:23] <bimberi> hi pygi, ajmitch
[12:23] <ajmitch> hey bimberi
[12:24] <pygi> ho bimberi and ajmitch ... how is it going?
[12:24] <ajmitch> ok
[12:25] <ajmitch> how are you?
[12:25] <pygi> tired, otherwise fine
[12:25] <ajmitch> :)
[12:25] <bimberi> pygi: pretty good thanks.  helped a couple of people in here today
[12:25] <ajmitch> too busy
[12:25] <pygi> still playing with cd-recording =)
[12:26] <bimberi> i've been putting TiVo recordings onto DVD
[12:26] <bimberi> discovered a brilliant script "dvdwizard"
[12:26] <pygi> I've been working on getting you ways to do that ;)
[12:27] <bimberi> pygi: coolies :)
[12:27] <pygi> (put data on DVD :P)
[02:09] <cliebow_> ogra:boy this is a newb question..but im having a time getting feisty at 708 meg burned on a cd..
[02:10] <cliebow_> guess i may have yo go that route..or do a server install
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds odd to go just over size, not under :O
[02:12] <bimberi> cliebow_: where's that iso?
[02:12] <cliebow_> err..cdimage.ubuntu i think
[02:12] <jsgotangco> well there's a report at the bottom of the download page to check if there are errors on the build
[02:13] <cliebow_> its on my apple..just need to rebuild this rhel3 server..
[02:22] <cliebow_> jsgotangco, looks like the durrent mage will make it..
[02:22] <cliebow_> Balls
[02:22] <cliebow_> jsgotangco, looks like the current image will make it..
[02:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:23] <ogra> hmm, thats ppc ? i need to look at it and probably drop some stuff there after RC
[02:29] <cliebow_> ogra:sorry..that was i386..but i tried to burn it on an ibook
[02:30] <ogra> hmm, i386 should be fine size wise
[02:30] <ogra> at least the current one is
[02:30] <cliebow_> todays looks fine..
[02:30] <cliebow_> at 699
[02:30] <ogra> feisty-server-i386.iso               11-Apr-2007 07:29  699M
[02:30] <ogra> yeah
[02:30] <cliebow_> the one i had was 708
[02:31] <ogra> well, i dont check them every day :)
[02:31] <cliebow_> whats wrong with you?
[02:31] <ogra> so might be that there wqas a temporary glitch
[02:32] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:34] <cliebow_> 8~)
[03:03] <knix_> cliebow_, you there?
[03:13] <knix_> ogra, Im still having no luck with x11vnc.  Is this suppose to work out of the box?  To be able to see the desktops of the clients?
[03:13] <ogra> no, its not
[03:13] <ogra> we'll need documentation for it post release
[03:13] <ogra> but i currently have no time for it
[03:14] <knix_> I understand.
[03:15] <knix_> I tried everywhere to find how to get it working
[03:15] <cliebow_> knix_: i dont think i can help on the ubuntu side..but wanna meet me in #cliebow?
[03:15] <ogra> you just need to run x11vnc with the right parameters on the client ...
[03:16] <knix_> cliebow_, sure
[03:16] <knix_> ogra, I got it lauched on the client, but no go on the server to see it
[03:16] <ogra> have you tried with tsclient ?
[03:17] <knix_> nada
[03:17] <ogra> well, then something is wrong with your config ...
[03:17] <ogra> i remember x11vnc needinbg a ton of options set right to work
[03:17] <knix_> ie, x11vnc -display :0 -auth path/to/
[03:18] <ogra> way more iirc
[03:18] <knix_> ok, i will mess with it tomorrow.  ty
[03:18] <ogra> check the manpage r online howtos
[03:18] <ogra> err
[03:18] <ogra> thin clients dont use :0
[03:18] <knix_> :1?
[03:18] <ogra> by defauklt its :6 i think ...
[03:19] <ogra> ttynumber-1
[03:19] <knix_> cool, ill keep hammering out google for the answer
[04:10] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <knix_> bddebian, hello
[04:18] <bddebian> Hello knix_
[04:22] <cberlo> Hey folks.  Just dropped 9 new thin clients onto my "massive" Edubuntu server (4GB, dual 1GHz cpu), and I'm having speed issues all of a sudden.  Authentication is done through ADS, so I think that's the issue, but any pointers on what I can tweak?
[04:34] <cberlo> Okay, is anyone else using Active Directory as a source for client accounts?
[04:36] <knix_> how do you get ADS to work with edubuntu?
[04:37] <cberlo> knix_: Glad you asked.  :)  Basically, just set up samba and winbind to do the backend authentication.  Then, have PAM mkhomedir (can't recall the exact name at the moment) make home directories for the users on the fly.
[04:37] <knix_> o wow, crazy stuff there
[04:37] <knix_> ty
[04:37] <cberlo> ...and you use wbinfo (from winbind) to find out user groups and such -- which is where the big slowdown for me is.
[04:38] <knix_> gotcha
[04:38] <cberlo> We have over 10,000 users in our ADS, and multitudes of groups.  So basically I need a way to cache all of this stuff locally so login is bearable.
[04:38] <knix_> for real
[04:39] <knix_> sorry I cant help
[04:39] <cberlo> that's okay.  I'll get it sorted out -- with or without help.  Generally, with help is faster.  :)
[04:39] <knix_> Is this for a school?
[04:39] <cberlo> Yes.
[04:40] <knix_> K-12?
[04:40] <cberlo> Yes.
[04:40] <knix_> how did you get it in there?
[04:40] <cberlo> More on the 9-12 side.
[04:40] <knix_> kk
[04:40] <cberlo> Pilot program to try recycle older hardware
[04:40] <knix_> very nice
[04:40] <cberlo> Yeah, and up to now it's worked excellently -- but with only 4 users.  hehe
[04:40] <knix_> ack
[04:41] <cberlo> Jumping to 14 is showing strain.
[04:41] <cberlo> ...but the plan has been for up to 60 users.
[04:41] <cberlo> So this is an issue I need to figure out!
[04:41] <knix_> on one server?
[04:41] <cberlo> Yes.
[04:42] <knix_> yeah, I think 4gb is good there.  what about network wise?  10-100m?
[04:42] <cberlo> 100MB -- can move it to 1000 if necessary, but that's not where the backlog appears to be
[04:42] <knix_> roger
[04:43] <cberlo> FYI - 10 MB is a bit slow but usable for just a few clients -- more than just 3 or 4 and you get major lag.
[04:43] <knix_> do you have x11vnc running on the clients, to be able to see the desktops from the server?  I hear ya
[04:43] <cberlo> No.  Waiting for student-control-panel to support that.
[04:44] <knix_> ok
[04:44] <cliebowx> thin-client-manager is out in edubuntu
[04:44] <cberlo> Would *love* that feature, but for now it's not essential -- we filter everything the kids can do with an edited menu, policies to eliminate the command line and squid to block sites we don't want them on.
[04:44] <knix_> cliebowx, edgy?
[04:44] <cliebowx> err feisty
[04:45] <knix_> roger
[04:45] <cberlo> cliebowx: Can't touch that yet.  Love to, but I *need* this to be stable.
[04:45] <cberlo> cliebowx: But thin-client-manager allows shadowing of student desktops?
[04:45] <cliebowx> cberlo yes
[04:46] <cberlo> cliebowx: Awesome.  I'll have to set up a test server and play with that.  If I can get ADS to work right with that kind of setup, and have teachers able to snoop on the kids, that would make my boss very happy!
[04:46] <cliebowx> we used ads for several years with our only prob being i had to restart winbind all the time
[04:46] <knix_> cberlo, please dont mind me asking, but how did yo get involved with this?
[04:46] <cberlo> I'm also looking at getting openMosix to work on the thin clients, if I can -- that would hopefully help things, too...
[04:46] <cliebowx> hourly cron job
[04:46] <cberlo> knix_:  which?  thin client, edubuntu, linux...?
[04:46] <cliebowx> i dont think anyone has had much luck with that yet
[04:47] <knix_> edubuntu in schools
[04:47] <cberlo> knix_: started last June.  Pilot is ongoing, and so far has been good.  Also running a Pilot at a local college -- 30 clients there, edgy.
[04:47] <cberlo> That one just started in January.
[04:47] <knix_> this is something I am pushing toward where i work " a 9-12 votech hight school"  but I need to feel comfortable first with it
[04:48] <knix_> wow
[04:48] <knix_> do you consult or something?
[04:48] <cberlo> cliebowx: So far, just hacked a Debian setup with LTSP 4.1 to use the openMosix kernel and tools -- haven't got client going yet.
[04:48] <cberlo> knix_: No, just a Computer Tech here that is fanatical about Open Source.  :)
[04:48] <cberlo> knix_: I *do* consult on the side, but there's not much call for it around where I live -- yet.
[04:48] <cliebowx> cberlo:touch base with neuralis in #ltsp if you have a chaance
[04:49] <knix_> wow, were all on the same boat.
[04:49] <knix_> last ? I swear.
[04:49] <cberlo> cliebowx: I'll do that!
[04:49] <knix_> How did you get the "bobs" to give in and say ok for edubuntu etc...?
[04:50] <cliebowx> jammcq and sbalneav are travelling to fisl today i think so it will be tomorrow before you see them there..they are heart and soul of the original ltsp
[04:51] <cberlo> Well, my boss is a very good guy.  He's been keeping an eye on what I can do with Linux -- we've used Squid in the past to alleviate network traffic at High Schools, and as a DSL router at remote sites.  Biggest obstacles is the manager in one of the other departments.
[04:51] <knix_> nice
[04:51] <knix_> nice, dansguardian?
[04:52] <cberlo> knix_: Nope.  Much simpler:  /etc/squid/squid-block.acl (filled with regexes of what they can't view).
[04:52] <knix_> nice
[04:52] <cberlo> In the squid.conf file, set a redirect url for anything in that file and you're done.
[04:52] <knix_> crazy, no proxy?
[04:52] <cberlo> Yeah, squid *is* the proxy.
[04:52] <greg_g> morning
[04:53] <knix_> my bad
[04:53] <knix_> morn greg_g
[04:53] <cberlo> And I set the firefox.cfg file so they can't get around that.
[04:53] <cberlo> Morning, greg_g
[04:53] <knix_> nice
[04:53] <knix_> brb
[04:53] <cliebowx> cberlo:suppose you are up against a samba issue?
[04:54] <cliebowx> with wbinfo?
[04:54] <cberlo> cliebowx: Yeah, that sounds about right -- technically not LTSP, is it?
[04:54] <cliebowx> sure it is
[04:55] <cliebowx> oh i see..
[04:55] <cliebowx> from what i can see samba has had some issues lately
[04:55] <cberlo> Oh no...  Hope a recent update didn't mess me up!
[04:56] <cliebowx> but i am sure..anyone with some knowledge would pitch in
[04:57] <cberlo> Well, I'll have to do a bit of googling around and see what I can bring up.  For now, I need to move my "office" to another classroom and fix another issue.  Thanks for the input!
[04:57] <pygi> highvoltage still holds his op :)
[05:04] <knix_> dang, i missed him
[05:04] <juliux> hi highvoltage
[05:04] <knix_> pygi, its been while
[05:04] <knix_> a*
[05:04] <pygi> knix_, hm?? :)
[05:05] <highvoltage> hi pygi and juliux!
[05:05] <knix_> we havent talked in a while.  my other nick is stormchas3r
[05:05] <highvoltage> juliux: howzit going?
[05:05] <juliux> highvoltage, bad bad bad
[05:05] <pygi> knix_, ah! :P
[05:05] <pygi> hm, jsgotangco ... long time no see :)
[05:05] <pygi> hi highvoltage :)
[05:05] <juliux> highvoltage, i have to write an examen a second time next week
[05:06] <knix_> pygi, do you know how to get x11vnc working on the client side?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> pygi: hey dude!
[05:06] <juliux> highvoltage, by my first try i needed one more point to pass the examen
[05:06] <jsgotangco> how is the legendary pygi doing?
[05:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, what would you expect from him ... ?
[05:07] <ogra> indeed he's nagging everybody about SoC :P
[05:07] <ogra> ;)
[05:07] <pygi> jsgotangco, I'm not legendary :P
[05:07] <pygi> + I didn't mention SoC, ergh!
[05:07] <jsgotangco> ahh its that time of the year
[05:07] <ogra> heh
[05:08] <pygi> I shall be quiet then :(
[05:08] <pygi> jsgotangco, how are you?
[05:08] <pygi> knix_, I don't know much =)
[05:09] <knix_> no prob, jw
[05:09] <highvoltage> juliux: ouch!
[05:09] <juliux> highvoltage, and the examen is on feisty release day;)
[05:10] <jsgotangco> pygi: not bad, just busy trying to make a living
[05:10] <pygi> jsgotangco, I hear you :-/
[05:10] <highvoltage> juliux: I'm sure you'll make it, needing just one more point than last time ;)
[05:10] <jsgotangco> while i watch the world change
[05:10] <juliux> highvoltage, i am also sure that i will make it, but it is a bullsh**** date, i want to test feisty not to learn for an examen
[05:11] <pygi> juliux, look, I had and have tons of exams :P
[05:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, "trying to make a living while watching the world change" ? you mean you live from ordered pizza watching tv ???
[05:11] <pygi> And I'm still quiet, tho I failed most of them :P
[05:11] <juliux> pygi, i write 4 in february;)
[05:11] <pygi> juliux, just 4? :P
[05:11] <juliux> pygi, yes;)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> ogra: partly yes?
[05:12] <juliux> pygi, in june i will have around 6 or 7
[05:12] <ogra> :)
[05:12] <pygi> juliux, well, around 13 here in june :P
[05:12] <pygi> tho I gotta go to London next month, and probably birmingham (ergh, spelling) in July :)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: its not really a good time for me lately though but its alright
[05:13] <juliux> pygi, what are you studying?
[05:13] <pygi> juliux, informatics and organization :P
[05:13] <juliux> pygi, sound similir to information managment;)
[05:13] <juliux> similar
[05:14] <pygi> knix_, what exactly is not working with x11vnc? :)
[05:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, meh ...
[05:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, are you coming to UES ?
[05:14] <knix_> pygi, one sec
[05:14] <jsgotangco> ogra: i wish :-)
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ogra: i never really did anything for feisty to be UES worthy anyhow
[05:15] <knix_> pygi, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406220&highlight=edubuntu
[05:15] <ogra> UES is for feisty+1 :P
[05:15] <ogra> feisty is over ...
[05:18] <jsgotangco> yeah I dunno, its not really my time lately
[05:19] <jsgotangco> i can only help test isos for now
[05:19] <ogra> thats already a major thing ... you know that ...
[05:20] <greg_g> can testing livecds but not installing help with devel?
[05:20] <greg_g> if so, I can do that ;)
[05:20] <ogra> livecd tests help as well indeed :)
[05:21] <ogra> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[05:21] <ogra> there we log the results now
[05:22] <jsgotangco> are we getting DVD for edubuntu now
[05:22] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/20070411/
[05:22] <ogra> its currently mirroring
[05:22] <jsgotangco> ill grab the am64
[05:22] <ogra> not sure the size is right
[05:22] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:22] <ogra> still waiting to see its not oversized
[05:22] <jsgotangco> what's Edubuntu upgrade?
[05:23] <ogra> edgy->feisty
[05:23] <jsgotangco> right that's interesting
[05:23] <ogra> gah
[05:23] <ogra> amd64 4.4G
[05:24] <pygi> :-/
[05:24] <pygi> it needs to be 4.3?
[05:24] <pygi> cbx33, hello pete!
[05:24] <cbx33> hey pygi
[05:24] <juliux> hi cbx33
[05:25] <cbx33> hey juliux
[05:26] <juliux> cbx33, did you have on your todo list the point change the icon of edubuntu-school-support group?
[05:26] <juliux> ;)
[05:27] <cbx33> yes i did
[05:27] <cbx33> I'm so sorry juliux
[05:27] <juliux> good;)
[05:27] <juliux> cbx33, and pls approve rockprinzess for this group, she makes a great job in vienna
[05:30] <jsgotangco> ogra: great, we're like 1 DVD disc of Etch now hehe
[05:31] <jsgotangco> probably in 2 years we'll eclipse the 3 DVDs of Debian
[05:31] <cbx33> juliux, who are you on there?
[05:31] <juliux> cbx33, sorry?
[05:32] <cbx33> what's your full name?
[05:32] <cbx33> as on LP?
[05:32] <juliux> cbx33, juliusbloch
[05:32] <cbx33> Tehre you go
[05:32] <cbx33> I maed you an administrator
[05:32] <juliux> ok
[05:33] <juliux> i will change the icon then you can make am a normal user back;)
[05:33] <cbx33> no
[05:33] <cbx33> I'm not taking it back
[05:33] <cbx33> ;)
[05:33] <rockprincess> 'lo everyone! :)
[05:33] <cbx33> I want you as an admin
[05:33] <cbx33> yo yo yo rockprincess
[05:33] <rockprincess> cbx33: pete, thanks for approving me ;)
[05:33] <cbx33> np
[05:33] <cbx33> wow taht was quick
[05:34] <rockprincess> cbx33: hihi i'm always on the quicky front :)
[05:34] <juliux> cbx33, ok
[05:34] <juliux> cbx33, crap the changed the size of the icon from 16x16 pixel to 14x14pixel
[05:34] <cbx33> heheh
[05:38] <juliux> yeah know we have a edubuntu icon
[05:39] <knix_> we?
[05:40] <juliux> edubuntu-school-support team in launchpad;)
[05:40] <knix_> neeeeeice
[05:41] <juliux> https://launchpad.net/~edubuntu-school-support cbx33 i also change the logo in the left corner
[05:42] <cbx33> awesome
[05:42] <cbx33> what baout a big one?
[05:42] <juliux> i also can make a big one for the right side
[05:42] <cbx33> yes pelase
[05:46] <juliux> cbx33, done
[05:46] <cbx33> awesome
[05:46] <cbx33> dude you rock
[05:47] <pygi> =)
[05:47] <juliux> cbx33, i will upload the svg file of the logo to the wiki side so everybody can use it
[05:48] <cbx33> cool
[05:48] <cliebowx> you guys All rck
[05:48] <juliux> cbx33, but not for tommorow;) i have a inviation for a dinner today;)
[05:49] <cbx33> ooooh
[05:49] <juliux> a company wants to know more about ubuntu,edubuntu and linux distributions;)
[06:09] <cliebowx> ogra:fwiw this i386 feisty iso failed..perhaps an unconfigured interface..
[06:09] <cliebowx> i d/l ed current iso
[06:09] <ogra> define failed
[06:10] <cliebowx> ltsp-server piece failed..so i chose the next step
[06:10] <cliebowx> just rebooting to see what i have
[06:10] <ogra> what did it say ?
[06:10] <ogra> any error message ?
[06:10] <cliebowx> just ltsp-server install failed
[06:11] <cliebowx> then on the next step an error about unconfigured interface for dhcp=derver
[06:11] <ogra> i'd like to see the /var/log/installer/syslog from that install
[06:11] <cliebowx> ok..be a sec
[06:11] <ogra> its 0700 root, you need to make it world readable ...
[06:11] <cliebowx> k
[06:17] <cliebowx> having trouble getting in..be a minute
[06:21] <cliebowx> ogra:pasted #ltsp
[06:21] <ogra> yep, saw it
[06:24] <ogra> cliebow_, bad CD i guess
[06:25] <ogra> or you burned it to fast
[06:25] <ogra> Apr 11 12:10:20 in-target: Ign file: feisty/restricted Packages
[06:25] <ogra> Apr 11 12:10:23 in-target: Failed to fetch file:///cdrom/dists/feisty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[06:25] <ogra> Apr 11 12:10:23 in-target: Fetched 24.5kB in 2s (8204B/s)
[06:25] <ogra> is the error your install broke on ...
[06:26] <ogra> but given that you already installed the complete system from the same CD with the same md5sum before the ltsp installer runs there must be something worng with reading it
[06:27] <cliebow__> k..figures
[06:28] <rockprincess> l,dm m ,+
[06:28] <rockprincess> 0p+
[06:28] <rockprincess> u 890huiomghplkj hjikp
[06:28] <rockprincess> ooops ;) lol
[06:29] <ogra> kitty kitty kitty
[07:10] <LaserJock> ogra: got a sec for SoC?
[07:11] <ogra> got socks ?
[07:12] <ogra> :)
[07:12] <ogra> sure
[07:12] <ogra> i'm pondering to mentor the webgui stuff ... even i find it totally pointelss to have one, the spec was awesome ...
[07:17] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:18] <LaserJock> ogra: did you get my email?
[07:19] <ogra> oh, right that was one of the hundret with SoC in the subject ...
[07:19] <ogra> fine with me :)
[07:20] <ogra> if we dont find someone for the webapp i'll take it nd we're set with mentoring
[07:20] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, there weren't any other "we've got to have this" apps?
[07:21] <ogra> the only "we've got to have" apps i see was the parental control nobody applied for ... all others are nice to have imho but not essential
[07:23] <LaserJock> does parental control = willowng or more?
[07:23] <ogra> willowng is only a webcontent filter ... parental control goes way further
[07:23] <LaserJock> would that include things like lockdown?
[07:23] <ogra> right
[07:23] <ogra> its a concept that involves the whole system ...
[07:24] <LaserJock> probably usage timers
[07:24] <ogra> for that SoC i would have been fine with a survey where to change what and a minimal app that includes settings for the low hanging fruit
[07:24] <ogra> yes, usage timers as well
[07:24] <LaserJock> yeah, that would be good indeed
[07:25] <ogra> we'll get it at some point
[07:25] <ogra> i wont stop bringin it up and some day a enthusiastic programmer will come ... i'm sure :)
[07:25] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:28] <LaserJock> most, if not all, of the apps were more upstream (brand new app)
[07:29] <OgMaciel> hi... anyone can point me to some documentation on running schooltool?
[07:29] <ogra> i dont care ... we're upstream for ltsp as well ...
[07:29] <ogra> OgMaciel, hmm, only schooltool.org afaik
[07:29] <cbx33> hey ogra LaserJock
[07:29] <ogra> they should have some docs
[07:29] <ogra>  hi cbx33
[07:29] <cbx33> it's been a while dude ;)
[07:29] <LaserJock> hi Pete
[07:29] <cbx33> fancy seeing you here LaserJock
[07:29] <LaserJock> *cough*
[07:30] <OgMaciel> hey ogra
[07:31] <ogra> OgMaciel, packaging it ? how ?
[07:31] <ogra> we have a package
[07:31] <OgMaciel> ogra: not for (x)buntu
[07:31] <ogra> sure
[07:31] <ogra> its in the repo
[07:31] <OgMaciel> ogra: I meant, I'm not packaging it for Ubuntu
[07:31] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ apt-cache madison schooltool
[07:31] <ogra> schooltool | 0.11.4-1ubuntu4 | http://de.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main Packages
[07:31] <ogra> schooltool | 0.11.4-3ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[07:31] <ogra> ah, ok
[07:32] <OgMaciel> ogra: I need to know how to actually lunch it
[07:32] <ogra> ah, ok
[07:32] <ogra> i think there is an install howto on the site anywhere
[07:32] <OgMaciel> hummmm
[07:33] <ogra> and there should be instructions in the tarball as well i guess
[07:39] <OgMaciel> http://source.schooltool.org/svn/branches/schooltool-0.11.x/README.txt
[07:39] <OgMaciel> thanks ogra
[07:39] <ogra> yeah :)
[07:52] <cliebow__> any slapd gys here..i have apermiosson denied writing to slapd.args..perms look fine
[08:13] <greg_g> any specific tests you want me to do when I run the edubuntu live cd and dvd??
[08:15] <ogra> install it and use it ...
[08:15] <ogra> or for live just use it ...
[08:15] <ogra> if you note breakage, file a bug
[08:16] <greg_g> yeah, can't install at this time
[08:16] <ogra> thats fine ...
[08:16] <ogra> try browsing some webpages ... use the apps and look if you find weird stuff
[08:16] <greg_g> will do
[08:16] <greg_g> ok, be back later
[09:22] <pygi> well, do I see RichEd, HedgeMage and willvdl here =)
[09:22] <RichEd> hey pygi, HedgeMage , willvdl
[09:22] <pygi> long time no see =)
[09:22] <RichEd> busy busy ... etc.
[09:23] <HedgeMage> what he said
[09:29] <pygi> :)
[09:29] <willvdl> pygi, yes you do. back after a month's absence
[09:29] <pygi> willvdl, "yes I do" ? what's with me ? :P
[09:29] <pygi> ah, see :P
[09:30] <pygi> well, I couldn't see you for a year or so since I wasn't here :p
[09:30] <pygi> so wouldn't know what to say :)
[09:30] <willvdl> see, exactly :P
[09:30] <willvdl> you did alright
[09:47] <willvdl> [09:47] <pygi> willvdl, I did alright with what? :)
[09:48] <pygi> hm, pretty, meeting :P
[09:49] <LaserJock> woah, I forgot about the meeting
[09:50] <LaserJock> good thing I poked my head in
[09:50] <pygi> LaserJock, I see you are blaming stuff on me again :P
[09:50] <pygi> (on the planet)
[09:50] <LaserJock> pygi: hehe
[09:51] <pygi> LaserJock, that's evil from you ;)
[09:54] <LaserJock> me? evil? :-)
[09:54] <LaserJock> o:-)
[09:54] <willvdl> [09:55] <willvdl> LaserJock, hey there
[09:55] <LaserJock> hi willvdl
[09:58] <willvdl> [10:00] <willvdl> [10:26] <greg_g> well, the livecds went well
[10:33] <greg_g> adding info to the stgraber iso testing site
[10:39] <ogra> thanks ! :)
[10:39] <ogra> i386 server and serveraddon seem fine as well
[10:45] <greg_g> right on
[10:45] <greg_g> I wish I could help out more, but can't install right now
[10:59] <LaserJock> willvdl: I'm glad to see that doc spec for UES. I hope I can get in on that :-)
[11:00] <willvdl> rightous
[11:00] <ogra> LaserJock: did you see my pm answer ?
[11:01] <LaserJock> ogra: no :(
[11:01] <ogra> we talked on the phone
[11:01] <willvdl> ogra, hey. long time no see
[11:02] <ogra> so you want the webfrontend stuff ?
[11:02] <willvdl> pygi, ping
[11:02] <pygi> willvdl, I listen
[11:02] <ogra> oh, crap we have a meeting today, right ?
[11:02] <pygi> ogra, done already
[11:02] <LaserJock> ogra: I guess so. I'm not great with LTSP stuff, but in general I don't mind
[11:02] <ogra> pygi: thats not possible ... less than 1h ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> well, you weren't there
[11:03] <RichEd> willvdl ran a short sweet meeting
[11:03] <ogra> LaserJock: ah, so its my fault ?
[11:03] <pygi> ogra, yup
[11:03] <pygi> (not fault, less then one hour :P)
[11:03] <ogra> good to know ... i will only attend every second onwe then :P
[11:03] <LaserJock> ogra: I didn't see any other apps that I fell in love with so ...
[11:04] <LaserJock> might as well
[11:04] <ogra> LaserJock: it is no ltsp stuff at all ... all ltsp related things he needs to do are reachable through python-tcm
[11:04] <LaserJock> I just hope I can do it justice
[11:04] <LaserJock> ah, so it really should be just a web frontend
[11:05] <ogra> the main focus will be to take the existing frontend, rip out the gtk stuff, put in html/CSS instead and make that whole thing respond to a network port
[11:05] <LaserJock> mhm
[11:06] <ogra> if you call student-control-panel --web or something, it starts to listen on port XYZ for http requests ... if it sees a GET it sends html ...
[11:06] <ogra> similar to beagle in webserver mode
[11:06] <LaserJock> yep, makes sense
[11:07] <ogra> preferably he should use existing webserving suff for python ... urllib2 or so
[11:07] <ogra> we dont want a webserver involved and he shouldnt write one :)
[11:07] <LaserJock> right
[11:08] <ogra> as a goodie it should be possible to switch off headers of the html output ...
[11:08] <ogra> this way you can merge multiple of these frontends in a summary page ;)
[11:08] <LaserJock> that would be nifty
[11:09] <ogra> i dint think the vnc stuff via web is doable ...
[11:09] <ogra> *dont
[11:09] <ogra> but i like to be proven wrong here ;)
[11:10] <LaserJock> I can't imagine that working all that well
[11:10] <LaserJock> but once the initial web interface is set up I'm sure there are cool things that one can think of doing
[11:11] <LaserJock> ogra: is your nick not identified?
[11:12] <ogra> likely
[11:12] <ogra> even though i gave gaim the pw
[11:12] <ogra> i'm working from a freh install here ... no personal data around :)
[11:12] <ogra> *fresh
[11:14] <LaserJock> ok, so to test all that stuff I'll need a working LTSP setup? to test TCM
[11:15] <LaserJock> can I do that via vmware?
[11:18] <ogra> apparently
[11:19] <ogra> i never did it though, but some people do
[11:23] <stgraber> LaserJock: I usually use VMWare for LTSP testing, it works just fine for that
[11:23] <LaserJock> stgraber: how do you set it up?
[11:23] <ogra> amd64, here we go
[11:23] <LaserJock> like is the client in vmware?
[11:23] <LaserJock> or the server?
[11:24] <stgraber> LaserJock: Everything in VMWare
[11:24] <stgraber> LaserJock: Server and client in vmware, using the host-only network
[11:24] <LaserJock> with an existing DHCP server on the "outside"?
[11:25] <stgraber> I've set up two network interfaces on the server, one bridged to my real network card and the other being the host-only network
[11:25] <stgraber> then created 2-3 clients with only the host-only network
[11:26] <stgraber> then it's virtually the same setup as WAN on a port of the server and a LAN on then other
[11:26] <LaserJock> ok, cool