[00:00] <silverlightning> however i have no sound
[00:00] <silverlightning> on system at all?
[00:00] <silverlightning> I have been in alsamixer and all parameters are on top
[00:00] <silverlightning> some are 00 some are MM
[00:00] <silverlightning> ?
[00:00] <silverlightning> this is a newly installed 11.10
[00:00] <silverlightning> today
[00:02] <KM0201> hmm
[00:02] <silverlightning> I could make a picture
[00:02] <KM0201> you can try adjusting all the volume meters up on alsamixer
[00:02] <KM0201> see if that helps
[00:03] <KM0201> if that doesn't help, find your sound device by typing     lspci     in a terminal
[00:03] <silverlightning> http://imagebin.org/178584
[00:03] <silverlightning> all parameters are up in alsamixer
[00:03] <silverlightning> I mean meters
[00:04] <KM0201> ok
[00:04] <KM0201> lspci
[00:05] <silverlightning> http://imagebin.org/178585
[00:06] <silverlightning> not sure if that made any sense ?
[00:06] <KM0201> ok
[00:07] <KM0201> sudo apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol
[00:08] <silverlightning> in buntus it usually has worked by default, with simple alsamixer adjusting
[00:09] <KM0201> well, all i can tell you, is my problem is resolved w/ pulseaudio (have the same problem when i first install)
[00:11] <silverlightning> maybe I need a restart?
[00:11] <KM0201> after you install pulseaudio you will, but.. you an try restarting and see if that fixes it before installing pulseaudio (but i wouldn't get your hopes up)
[00:13] <silverlightning> hmm
[00:13] <silverlightning> is this a bug thing+
[00:13] <silverlightning> ?
[00:13] <silverlightning> brb reboot
[00:14] <KM0201> no
[00:14] <silverlightning> no?
[00:14] <silverlightning> oh yes
[00:14] <KM0201> pulse audio apparently isn't installed by default w/ lubuntu (in favor of alsamixer)
[00:14] <silverlightning> maybe just audio card issues
[00:15] <KM0201> you can reboot, but its not a bug.
[00:15] <KM0201> just reboot, and when that doesn't fix the problem, install pulseaudio
[00:15] <silverlightning> alsamixer has always worked though
[00:15] <KM0201> well, you are using the beta,..
[00:23] <silverlightning> no sound
[00:23] <silverlightning> I think trouble is the MM
[00:23] <Ibis> How can I install Ubuntu software center in Lubuntu?
[00:23] <silverlightning> I usually have most of them on 00
[00:23] <Ibis> And I have a friend who is having issues using WIFI in            Medion  Laptop -.-
[00:24] <silverlightning> ibis, package manager is not enough?
[00:24] <KM0201> Ibis: its in synaptic.. search for "software center".. i think its called "ubuntusoftwarecenter" not sure though
[00:24] <silverlightning> no sound at all
[00:24] <Ibis> silverlightning: It's not for me, It's to "easy-mode" some things for a linux newbie.
[00:24] <silverlightning> oh, sound is on
[00:24] <silverlightning> !!
[00:24] <Ibis> I prefer installing things with apt-get.
[00:24] <KM0201> Ibis: sudo apt-get install software-center   i just checked, its there
[00:25] <silverlightning> well, terminal works
[00:25] <Ibis> Sweet KM0201.
[00:25] <KM0201> Ibis: my point was, use synaptic to find the package.. it's a lot easier to search w/ synaptic, than apt
[00:25] <Ibis> Okay.
[00:26] <Ibis> Gawd, this is really dumb for me to mention anything of my friend's issue. It's basically an "IT DONT WORK" sorta thing -.- Which isn't helping.
[00:27] <KM0201> whats wrong?
[00:27] <Ibis> He for some reason can not get onto the internet with his laptop. Via, wifi.
[00:28] <KM0201> whats his wifi device?
[00:28] <KM0201> i'm gonna guess broadcom or ralink
[00:28] <Ibis> That's what I'm trying to get out of him, but he logged off.
[00:28] <Ibis> He's all frustrated with no internet.
[00:29] <KM0201> i can imagine, but just saying "it won't work" wont' help
[00:29] <silverlightning> broadcom needs activation of additional drivers,
[00:29] <silverlightning> at least often
[00:29] <KM0201> silverlightning: sometimes
[00:29] <silverlightning> and reboot lol
[00:29] <Ibis> He doesn't even know his computer module.
[00:29] <Ibis> Model.
[00:30] <silverlightning> ralink usually work straight away
[00:30] <Ibis> Only that it says Medion.
[00:30] <KM0201> well, just tell hin to type lspci in a terminal, find the wireless line, and tell us what it says
[00:30] <silverlightning> should be a sticker under?
[00:30] <silverlightning> or something written some where
[00:30] <KM0201> silverlightning: depends, some ralinks work fine, others, are a pain.
[00:30] <silverlightning> I see
[00:30] <silverlightning> I might have been lucky then
[00:31] <silverlightning> though I have a usb dongle not working at all, have no idea what chip is
[00:31] <Ibis> I asked for that, I get no good feedback.
[00:31] <KM0201> then don't worry about it.. you can't help him if he won't help you
[00:31] <silverlightning> after hours of driver search, I went out and bought a new wireless
[00:31] <silverlightning> much easier
[00:32] <Ibis> Oh well, too bad, now he's going back to windows. At least one other friend is staying on linux.
[00:33] <silverlightning> lol
[00:33] <silverlightning> buntus happily exist alongside windows
[00:33] <silverlightning> often at least
[00:35] <silverlightning> there are some incompatibilities popping up now and then
[01:09] <wxl> why do links get highlighted in lxterminal but they're not clickable or rather they can be clicked but nothing happens?
[01:10] <silverlightning> oh have you marked off and pressed tab?
[01:10] <wxl> hah say what? :D
[01:10] <silverlightning> that one is stricky until you figure it out
[01:11] <silverlightning> but really very simple
[01:11] <Ibis> I know right!? I've actually tried to click, nothing ever happens.
[01:11] <silverlightning> mark of with mouse
[01:11] <silverlightning> then press tab
[01:11] <wxl> so mouse-over you mean silverlightning ?
[01:11] <silverlightning> the arrow key up in left corner
[01:12] <wxl> wtf
[01:12] <wxl> what arrow key? :D
[01:12] <wxl> OH
[01:12] <silverlightning> yes, just highlight the "OK" or "accept" or what ever, then tab
[01:12] <wxl> wait i think i get it now
[01:12] <silverlightning> old fashion tab
[01:12] <wxl> nope don't get it
[01:12] <wxl> i'm dumb
[01:12] <wxl> pisses me off tho
[01:12] <silverlightning> http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/o/om/omironia/394281_tab_key.jpg
[01:13] <wxl> if only i could click on that :D
[01:13] <silverlightning> very simple
[01:13] <silverlightning> what?
[01:13] <silverlightning> you know what tab is?
[01:13] <wxl> uh
[01:13] <wxl> yes
[01:14] <wxl> so that doesn't really work
[01:14] <silverlightning> it is a key (one single) with two arrows pointing in two directions
[01:14] <wxl> i know what the tab key is silly
[01:14] <silverlightning> lol
[01:14] <silverlightning> sorry
[01:14] <wxl> but i don't have a clue what that has to do with hyperlinks
[01:14] <silverlightning> hey, what are you doing in terminal?
[01:15] <wxl> ssh'ing to a server and running bitlbee+irssi in it
[01:15] <silverlightning> hmm
[01:15] <silverlightning> nothing regular works?
[01:15] <wxl> well if by regular you mean click on the link, no
[01:15] <silverlightning> not tab, not enter, not y?
[01:16] <wxl> ok let's say you want me to go to http://google.com
[01:16] <wxl> i mouse over it
[01:16] <wxl> it gets highlighted
[01:16] <wxl> i get the little finder pointer
[01:16] <wxl> i click
[01:16] <wxl> nothing
[01:16] <silverlightning> hmm
[01:16] <silverlightning> can you middle click?
[01:17] <wxl> hm not so easily with a touchpad
[01:17] <silverlightning> of not double click
[01:17] <silverlightning> you know, right and left click at ones
[01:17] <wxl> right opens context menu
[01:17] <silverlightning> old terminals had to be maneuvered like that
[01:17] <wxl> left does nothing
[01:17] <silverlightning> hmm
[01:18] <silverlightning> but both at the same time
[01:18] <wxl> don't have a middle
[01:18] <silverlightning> right AND left
[01:18] <wxl> hmmmmm not sure that will be super easy because i touch-click to right click
[01:18] <wxl> yeah i can't imagine how to do that
[01:19] <silverlightning> highlight, then press two mousepad buttons simultaneously
[01:19] <wxl> ii only have one button
[01:19] <wxl> i touch-click to right click
[01:19] <silverlightning> I see
[01:19] <silverlightning> hm
[01:20] <wxl> ah ha
[01:20] <wxl> got it
[01:20] <wxl> ctrl-left click
[01:20] <silverlightning> stuck in terminal
[01:20] <wxl> should have known
[01:20] <wxl> thank god
[01:20] <silverlightning> lol
[01:21] <silverlightning> you really have to get inventive when you are on alternative hardware
[01:21] <silverlightning> there's usually a way about it
[01:21] <wxl> NO SHIT <:D
[01:21] <silverlightning> ; )
[01:21] <wxl> well what's funny is it's not half as bad as when, a good decade or so ago, i tried to get slackware on a thinkpad
[01:22] <wxl> back then only the brave and stupid bothered with linux and laptops from what i could gather :O
[01:22] <wxl> frankly i'm pretty darn happy with the way my powerbook is running ocelot
[01:22] <silverlightning> I am rather happy with the latest 11.10 issue
[01:23] <silverlightning> last friday's was a mess
[01:23] <silverlightning> or maybe my install
[01:23] <wxl> for whatever reason natty was funky. very very very very very slow.
[01:23] <wxl> possibly
[01:23] <silverlightning> I think it was a but, I read others had the same issues, in crash reports
[01:23] <wxl> my iso is pretty old (30 sept i think)
[01:23] <silverlightning> a bug*
[01:23] <wxl> but now it's all updated and upgraded and everything
[01:24] <wxl> seems to me that the installer is where the real issues are
[01:24] <silverlightning> very slow, then something is woring
[01:24] <silverlightning> like driver, or hard ware issues
[01:24] <wxl> i still would like to figure out some sort of flash solution but that's a ppc problem, not lubuntu
[01:24] <wxl> yeah, i think it was processor scaling
[01:24] <wxl> first it ran really hot and i managed to calm it down, but i think that just made it all draggy
[01:25] <wxl> out of the box, ocelot is perfect
[01:26] <wxl> what were your problems?
[01:26] <silverlightning> do you have firefox
[01:26] <silverlightning> ?
[01:26] <wxl> yep
[01:26] <silverlightning> it has a great addon, flash replacer
[01:26] <silverlightning> or flash video replacer
[01:26] <wxl> currently on 7.0.1
[01:27] <wxl> oh?
[01:27] <silverlightning> plays youtube, and some flash streams,
[01:27] <silverlightning> and no adobe flash
[01:27] <silverlightning> and then there's html5
[01:27] <wxl> i'm using gnash right now
[01:27] <silverlightning> I  mean as alternative to flash
[01:27] <silverlightning> gnash works fine?
[01:27] <wxl> it's ..  um .. well .. somewhat functional
[01:28] <wxl> i wonder if i can get compiz going on this bad boy :D
[01:29] <wxl> (kind of kidding.. it's antithetical to the very purpose of having lubuntu)
[01:29] <silverlightning> you might
[01:30] <wxl> what do you use for email?
[01:30] <silverlightning> so far only pidgin
[01:30] <silverlightning> or direct in browser
[01:31] <wxl> i have too many email accounts for that
[01:31] <silverlightning> I haven't configed anything yet
[01:31] <silverlightning> I installed 11.10 today
[01:31] <wxl> i'm tempted to just run thunderbird but the thought of something more lightweight is attractive
[01:31] <silverlightning> had major issues with mplayer gecko
[01:31] <silverlightning> and tured out to be a silly setting
[01:31] <silverlightning> like hours of fuzz
[01:32] <silverlightning> very true
[01:32] <silverlightning> default is sylfeed
[01:32] <silverlightning> some like it a lot
[01:33] <wxl> i spent DAYS trying to get that installer going because it was trying to download from "mirror" instead of "ports.ubuntu.com"
[01:33] <wxl> eventually figured out doing a little creative editing in /etc/hosts could clean it up
[01:34] <wxl> as for sylpheed, it seems tolerable but it doesn't have like a unified inbox if you know what i mea
[01:34] <wxl> +n
[01:34] <silverlightning> hmm, not sure
[01:37] <silverlightning> seamonkey might have an email client
[01:38] <silverlightning> if I remember correctly
[01:38] <wxl> yeah it does
[01:38] <wxl> basically thunderbird more or less
[01:40] <wxl> hahahahah
[01:40] <silverlightning> I see
[01:40] <silverlightning> claws?
[01:40] <wxl> apparently it's the same as claws mail
[01:40] <wxl> it has the same "about" at least :D
[01:41] <wxl> http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/General_Information#What_are_the_differences_between_Claws_Mail_and_Sylpheed.3F
[01:42] <silverlightning> I find what we like depends very  much on habit
[01:42] <wxl> yep
[01:42] <silverlightning> just give it a go for three weeks and your can happily live with it
[01:42] <silverlightning> wonder what opera has
[01:42] <wxl> yeah i think you're right
[01:42] <wxl> i'll just set it up and see where i get annoyed
[01:43] <wxl> or rather if
[01:43] <silverlightning> thought, it is worth trying different stuff
[01:45] <wxl> i might end up using thunderbird+muttator just because i like the vim-ish keybindings
[01:46] <silverlightning> one thing missing in sylpheed, it doesn't have spell check I think unless it has been added lately
[01:46] <silverlightning> there use to be something called pine
[01:46] <silverlightning> or alpine
[01:46] <silverlightning> hmm
[01:46] <wxl> doesn't bother me none
[01:46] <wxl> yeah it's particularly frustrating to deal with when moving messages to folders in gmail imap
[01:48] <silverlightning> thunderbird isn't bad, as long as you don't get lag on your pad
[01:49] <silverlightning> I am a bit slow to use new functions, and sort of need sometime to figure out how to go about stuff
[01:50] <silverlightning> I was hoping there was skype in pidgin, but doesn't look like it
[01:50] <wxl> yeah nope
[01:50] <wxl> skype sucks
[01:51] <wxl> if you don't care about communicating specifically through skype, there are some nice voip apps
[01:54] <silverlightning> voip?
[01:54] <wxl> voice over internet protocol
[01:55] <silverlightning> I mostly on skype because some I know are
[01:55] <wxl> yeah just have them switch :D
[01:55] <wxl> (i know that doesn't work)
[01:55] <silverlightning> lol
[01:55] <silverlightning> needs a workaround
[01:56] <silverlightning> I figuring how to apt-get youtube dl
[01:56] <silverlightning> I use to have it
[01:56] <silverlightning> but it's not in package manager
[01:57] <wxl> do u just use skype for chat?
[01:57] <wxl> like not voice?
[01:58] <silverlightning> yes, mostly chat
[01:58] <silverlightning> voice has happened
[01:59] <wxl> i think there's skype support in bitlbee now but that's a whole different ball of way
[01:59] <wxl> wax
[01:59] <silverlightning>  I see
[02:00] <silverlightning> I usually end up with something
[02:00] <silverlightning> either msn or skype
[02:00] <silverlightning> would be nice to have everything in pigin
[02:00] <wxl> agreed
[02:00] <wxl> that's why i like bitlbee
[02:00] <silverlightning> I think skype would have been added to  pidgin if they allowed it
[02:01] <wxl> but instead of being irc in im it's im in irc
[02:01]  * silverlightning googeling bitlbee
[02:01] <wxl> i love it but i'll warn you-- i'm very comfortable with the command line and living in text mode
[02:02] <silverlightning> terminal horror
[02:02] <silverlightning> lol
[02:02] <wxl> heh
[02:02] <silverlightning> I am no good with terminal
[02:02] <wxl> i ran finch (the ncurses version of pidgin) for a good long while
[02:03] <silverlightning> I find a guide some where; copy, paste, see what happens
[02:03] <wxl> what' nice about it especially in im is i can have it running on an always-on server and use tmux (like screen if you know what that is) to always be on even when afk and not use resources on it
[02:03] <wxl> careful with that or you'll end up with a frankenmachine
[02:04] <silverlightning> I often do
[02:04] <wxl> heheheh
[02:04] <silverlightning> a new install is sometimes only remedy
[02:04] <silverlightning> they often last until next issue though
[02:05] <silverlightning> I'm not that difficult with my os really
[02:05] <silverlightning> however I do install a lot of junk to get medias to work, like streams, tv, restricted
[02:06] <silverlightning> I still haven't checked if DVD works
[02:08] <wxl> python is runniing all super hot all of a sudden
[02:08] <wxl> weird
[02:09] <silverlightning> you need a parcel tongue
[02:09] <wxl> hah
[02:10] <silverlightning> there is that guy
[02:11] <silverlightning> I'm off to bed
[02:11] <wxl> night man
[02:11] <wxl> be well
[02:11] <silverlightning> see you anther day ; )
[02:12] <silverlightning> you too
[02:12] <silverlightning> I shall deal with DVD tomorrow
[02:13] <KM0201> what's wrong w/ DVD?
[02:16] <silverlightning> ok, testing one
[02:16] <silverlightning> my head is mush
[02:18] <silverlightning> KM0201: gnome reluctently reads
[02:18] <silverlightning> never finishes loading
[02:18] <KM0201> did you install libdvdcss?
[02:18] <silverlightning> oh, and it works
[02:18] <silverlightning> !!
[02:18] <silverlightning> must hve
[02:19] <silverlightning> even menus work
[02:19] <silverlightning> must have been the  medibuntu stuff
[04:17] <PsyCl0ne> Hi all
[04:18] <PsyCl0ne> Guys I have a netbook (Acer D02553). Last week I got Lubuntu installed on it, also installed the restricted extras so I could watch youtube videos but now I can not adjust my volume... If I click the speaker icon in my task bar it says that no audio devices were found or that there are dependancies missing from gstreamer. But if I sudo apt-get check GStreamer it checks out. what am I doing wrong??
[04:18] <M0hi> Hi PsyCl0ne
[04:18] <PsyCl0ne> Sorry M0hi
[04:19] <M0hi> Lubuntu 11.10 ?
[04:20] <Unit193> Check alsamixer too
[04:22] <bodhizazen> does your flash video have it's own volume control ?
[04:25] <PsyCl0ne> Sorry Im at work atm... Vidoes do have volume if I connect external speakers
[04:25] <PsyCl0ne> and alsa mixer? and correct this is the latest Lubuntu
[04:27] <PsyCl0ne> alasmixer does see my sound card and I can adjust volume from in there
[04:28] <PsyCl0ne> Although, how would I get that widget working again?
[04:29] <PsyCl0ne> Actually scrap that I previously had sound, now I have none at all
[04:31] <PsyCl0ne> If anyone is still here is there a possibility that the flash installer could have uninstalled something that is needed for Lubuntu sound?
[04:33] <bodhizazen> I doubt it PsyCl0ne
[04:33] <bodhizazen> I am not familiar enough with the apps lubuntu uses
[04:33] <bodhizazen> but flash is a single lib
[04:34] <PsyCl0ne> Well its more the restricted extras
[04:34] <bodhizazen> /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[04:35] <PsyCl0ne> I dont know what thats supposed to be exactly...
[04:36] <PsyCl0ne> Im still kind of new to linux...
[04:58] <wxl> https://www.xkcd.com/963/
[05:11] <PsyCl0ne> hey guys if I run sudo /sbin/alsa reload I get this output http://pastebin.com/1JU5Euw5 what have I dont to my system lol
[05:16] <munikar> hi, when will Lubuntu 11.10 will be officially released? i heard 9 october but no so
[05:18] <munikar> ?
[05:21] <munikar> what is the MININUM ram requirement of lubuntu? will it run smoothly in 256 Mb RAM?
[05:25] <Unit193> PsyCl0ne: You said it had problems detecting your device, what does    sudo aplay -l   output? That's a terminal command
[05:25] <Unit193> munikar: It will be out the 13th
[05:25] <munikar> that means tomorrow! can't wait to install it
[05:26] <munikar> by the way, will it run smoothly in 256 Mb RAM?
[05:26] <Unit193> Depends on how much swap and CPU
[05:27] <munikar> i have a intel motherboard and 2.4 GHz processor
[05:27] <munikar> what's "swap"?
[05:27] <JohnDoe_71Rus> swap memory on hard disk
[05:27] <Unit193> I would think it'd work in that case
[05:28] <munikar> how to create swap memory? can u tell me in brief?
[05:28] <Unit193> It's done during the install
[05:29] <munikar> during install by CD or by HD?
[05:30] <Unit193> If you're on Lubuntu now, you should already have swap
[05:31] <munikar> no, i'm using win xp. just decided to change into Lubuntu. (Other distros won't work, not even xubuntu)
[05:31] <Unit193> When you install Lubuntu, the installer will make it for you
[05:32] <munikar> can we change the size of that swap file?
[05:33] <Unit193> You could. Are you going ro keep XP too?
[05:33] <munikar> nah............never
[05:34] <munikar> its goodbye to windows from me forever :)
[05:34] <Unit193> Great! If you happen to mess up, nothing wrong :D
[05:36] <JohnDoe_71Rus> munikar: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=669059&seqNum=2 lubuntu similar
[05:37] <Unit193> Heh, 2007 :P
[05:38] <munikar> Unit193: it's about ubuntu, is lubuntu the same way too?
[05:38] <Unit193> munikar: As JohnDoe_71Rus said, only a few things have changed in the installer
[05:39] <JohnDoe_71Rus> yes. just ansver installer
[05:39] <Unit193> Ubuntu and Lubuntu use the exact same installer
[05:39] <munikar> ok :)
[05:52] <munikar> isn't there an alternative installer for Lubuntu? :(
[05:52] <Unit193> There will be if you wait a few days :P
[05:53] <munikar> there ain't for Lubuntu 11.04 as fas as i know
[08:12] <PsyCl0ne> Would anyone happen to still be around this early in the morning?
[13:54] <systemclient> Can I publish a virtual appliance that I made with lubuntu publicly?
[13:58] <KM0201> i don't see why not
[14:18] <systemclient> KM0201: I was wondering about the Ubuntu brand maybe
[14:18] <systemclient> other than that, everythign should be free, as I see it
[14:18] <KM0201> what do you mean?..
[14:18] <KM0201> oh yeah, exactly
[14:18] <KM0201> the ubuntu brand--- that could be an issue.
[14:18] <systemclient> that is why I am asking
[14:18] <KM0201> but.. it shouldn't be an issue to just share a lubuntu virtual appliance
[14:19] <systemclient> I mean I did change the standard package selection … but it is all out of the ubuntu repo
[14:19] <KM0201> look at how many people rewrite Ubuntu into their own little distro.
[14:19] <KM0201> it shouldn't be an issue.. think about it, that's how Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, FluxBuntu, etc.. all came about.
[14:49] <systemclient> right, but they have different names, technically
[15:03] <andantino> anyone tried out  11.10 yet
[15:07] <M-n-M> is it morning anywhere?
[15:07] <andantino> noon here
[15:08] <M-n-M> its 9 pm here :)
[15:08] <M-n-M> can't wait to use Lubuntu 11.10
[15:09] <andantino> i was just asking if anyone has tried the beta
[15:09] <andantino> i think you could download it now
[15:09] <andantino> you just have to keep running your updates
[15:10] <M-n-M> beta are beta, final is final :)
[15:10] <M-n-M> no, i'm going to do a fresh install in my old desktop which has xp
[15:11] <andantino> if im not mistaken all you have to do is update beta when it is released and you should be good
[15:12] <M-n-M> when updating from beta, how much will i have to download?
[15:12] <andantino> no idea
[15:12] <M-n-M> that's why
[15:12] <andantino> might as well wait for the release i guess
[15:12] <andantino> its tomorrow
[15:13] <andantino> isnt it?
[15:13] <M-n-M> yup
[15:13] <andantino> im running the ubuntu beta now
[15:14] <M-n-M> i have ubuntu 11.04 in my laptop, i'm going to install lubuntu in my old desktop with 256mb RAM :)
[15:14] <andantino> i have lubuntu on an old pc
[15:14] <andantino> works like a charm
[15:14] <M-n-M> hope so...
[15:15] <andantino> mine has 512 mb ram though
[15:15] <andantino> someone added ram for me one time years ago
[15:15] <ahma> Works fine with 256ram
[15:16] <andantino> lubuntu is an awesome distro
[15:16] <M-n-M> yea
[15:16] <ahma> Just install using alternate or minimal install
[15:16] <andantino> im considering putting it on my moms laptop even though its new
[15:16] <M-n-M> lot better than that over-featured Ubuntu
[15:17] <andantino> i have become accustomed to both gnome3 and unity now
[15:17] <andantino> but
[15:17] <M-n-M> i'll put ubuntu 11.10 in my laptop and Lubuntu in my desktop :)
[15:17] <andantino> there is still part of me that thinks there should be a taskbar down there
[15:18] <M-n-M> the hidden menubar of Unity is cool, saves space
[15:18] <ahma> M-n-M: use alternate or minimal install
[15:18] <andantino> yeah i have no problem with unity or gnome3 either
[15:18] <M-n-M> yup, i'm going to do exactly that
[15:18] <andantino> but im thinking a taskbar is more intuitive for my mom
[15:18] <ahma> Adantino: gnome :)
[15:19] <M-n-M> i tried to install xubuntu in my old pc through Live CD. lol my RAM could take it...
[15:19] <andantino> and i like lxde better than xfce
[15:19] <M-n-M> Gnome3 and Unity are pretty much the same, i guess
[15:19] <andantino> i actually prefer gnome3
[15:19] <M-n-M> yeah, xfce is hung in the middle of lightweight and heavyweight
[15:20] <andantino> to show all open apps you just press the super key in gnome3
[15:20] <M-n-M> lxde is the pure lightweight, for old computers and for faster computing
[15:20] <M-n-M> what's the "SUPER KEY" ?
[15:20] <andantino> windows key
[15:21] <M-n-M> to show all open apps, you just throw your mouse to the left.. :)
[15:21] <andantino> in unity you press super - w
[15:21] <M-n-M> in UNITY
[15:21] <andantino> no
[15:21] <andantino> you mean on the dock in ubuntu?
[15:21] <M-n-M> no!! ?
[15:21] <M-n-M> its called the launcher
[15:21] <M-n-M> not dock
[15:22] <M-n-M> just wondering, can we use lxde in Ubuntu as well?
[15:22] <andantino> you can download it
[15:22] <andantino> but i have had trouble with it
[15:23] <andantino> are you on ubuntu now M-n-M?
[15:23] <M-n-M> no, i'm using that old desktop with xp
[15:23] <andantino> ah
[15:23] <andantino> when you use it later
[15:23] <M-n-M> why, did u want me to do sth?
[15:23] <andantino> press windows key with 'w'
[15:24] <M-n-M> okz
[15:24] <andantino> and you will see the window switcher
[15:24] <andantino> whatever its called
[15:24] <M-n-M> what about Alt+Tab
[15:24] <andantino> not sure
[15:24] <andantino> does that do the same thing?
[15:24] <M-n-M> i always swith apps in Ubuntu using alt + tab :/
[15:25] <andantino> windows key - w zooms out and shows all open apps on work space
[15:25] <andantino> smaller versions of each window on the screen
[15:25] <andantino> then you can just click the one you want to switch to
[15:25] <M-n-M> oh, don't need to use that i think
[15:25] <ahma> Alt+tab best imo
[15:25] <M-n-M> yup
[15:27] <andantino> i never use that. i will have to try that later
[15:27] <andantino> i think lubuntu would be a good option for my mom's laptop
[15:28] <andantino> even though she has more than enough resources
[15:28] <M-n-M> why?
[15:28] <andantino> well first off, i dont think she needs anything fancy
[15:28] <andantino> she does not do much
[15:28] <andantino> and secondly
[15:29] <andantino> i think she would just find the taskbar more intuitive
[15:29] <ahma> Ofc it is, just do some "set up" so she would't start hating "that lubuntu thing" ;)
[15:29] <andantino> but maybe not
[15:29] <andantino> right now i have her using fedora with gnome 3
[15:30] <andantino> but she only goes on firefox
[15:31] <andantino> fedora was the only option because ubuntu had problems with certain mousepads
[15:32] <andantino> touchpads rather
[15:32] <M-n-M> i have never used fedora. how's it?
[15:32] <andantino> its pretty good
[15:32] <ahma> I did not like it
[15:32] <andantino> but
[15:32] <M-n-M> but?
[15:32] <andantino> you really have to fix things
[15:32] <andantino> at first
[15:32] <M-n-M> what do you mean?
[15:32] <andantino> part of it is gnome3
[15:33] <andantino> but also it has some weird default settings on its own
[15:33] <andantino> for instance by default in fedora
[15:33] <haemogoblin> hey there
[15:33] <andantino> touchpad tapping is not enabled
[15:33] <andantino> in gnome3 gui the mouse settings allow you to change that
[15:33] <ahma> There was no options to customize in default and community support is minor
[15:33] <andantino> in lxde and xfce
[15:33] <haemogoblin> Does anyone know how do add desktop icons in Lubuntu? i've done it before but i can't for the life of me remember how
[15:33] <M-n-M> i think gnome 3 is made for screen touch devices
[15:34] <andantino> in fedora lxde and xfce tapping is not enabled and the gui provides no tool
[15:34] <andantino> to enable it
[15:34] <andantino> you can only increase speed
[15:34] <andantino> so you have to create a file in xorg.conf
[15:35] <haemogoblin> i'd be greatful if someone could point me in the right direction :) As not being able to work out how i did it before is really annoying
[15:36] <M-n-M> time to sleep :)
[15:36] <andantino> but after you get fedora configured well enough
[15:36] <andantino> its pretty good
[15:36] <andantino> haemoglobin
[15:37] <andantino> just right click the app in your launcher menu
[15:37] <andantino> and add to desktop
[15:37] <haemogoblin> what about if i'm wanting to add network??
[15:38] <haemogoblin> every time i want to access the network i have to click on the file manager and then click on go.
[15:38] <tzhuang> hello lubuntu users
[15:38] <haemogoblin> is there not a way to put a network icon on the desktop or even the taskbar?
[15:38] <andantino> i think it should be in the taskbar
[15:38] <tzhuang> i was thinking of switching to lubuntu for 11.10
[15:39] <ahma> It should be in taskbar by default
[15:39] <andantino> i cant remember, i havent even touched my lubuntu machine for while
[15:39] <tzhuang> will there be a noticeable speed increase from ubuntu->lubuntu?
[15:39] <haemogoblin> hmm no i dont have one
[15:39] <haemogoblin> i just have filemanager
[15:39] <andantino> lubuntu is much faster
[15:39] <andantino> much lighter i should say
[15:39] <haemogoblin> i like lubuntu, but lord the interface is sooooo cut down from ubuntu
[15:39] <ahma> Tzhuang, depends about your machine
[15:40] <tzhuang> hang on lemme check my specs
[15:40] <andantino> thats weird hemoglobin it should be in there
[15:40] <haemogoblin> nope
[15:41] <haemogoblin> i installed from the Alternative-install iso
[15:41] <haemogoblin> could that be the reason?
[15:41] <andantino> maybe
[15:41] <ahma> No
[15:42] <andantino> have you googled it to see if others have had similar problems?
[15:42] <haemogoblin> i seem to recall on a previous install of lubuntu i just clicked a tick box
[15:42] <haemogoblin> and it enabled the trashcan ect to appear on the desktop
[15:42] <haemogoblin> but at the moment my desktop it totally blank
[15:44] <andantino> you only have file manager now?
[15:44] <andantino> no other icons?
[15:44] <tzhuang> hmm i have 2G of RAM
[15:44] <tzhuang> and a dual core cpu at 1.6GHz each
[15:45] <tzhuang> i think my computer used mostly for the browser, vlc player, music player, and gnucash
[15:45] <tzhuang> that's about it
[15:46] <ahma> No dramatical increase I think
[15:46] <ahma> Ubuntu should run fine with those
[15:46] <andantino> i bet startup would be faster
[15:47] <tzhuang> hmmm
[15:47] <haemogoblin> you think ubuntu would be have on a 1.6ghz intel duo?
[15:47] <tzhuang> well im a minimalist when it comes to these things
[15:47] <tzhuang> if start up will be faster i think i might switch to lubuntu
[15:48] <andantino> i think you will notice certain things are much faster
[15:48] <ahma> Then lubuntu :)
[15:48] <tzhuang> that sounds good
[15:48] <tzhuang> only thing is
[15:48] <tzhuang> will lunbuntu play nice with my /home partition
[15:48] <haemogoblin> So long as your not going to miss the conforts of ubuntu
[15:48] <tzhuang> which comforts are those >__>
[15:49] <haemogoblin> Well for a start it's a bit more cut down in my opinion
[15:49] <haemogoblin> I've discovering things like Network icons and just short cuts in general are not availible
[15:49] <andantino> i had an acer with 3gb ram and amd dual core, cant remember the speed
[15:49] <haemogoblin> to navigating the OS is laborious
[15:49] <andantino> and i noticed a difference between ubuntu and lubuntu
[15:49] <ahma> Icons cant be drawd to panels etc.
[15:49] <andantino> i have never had that issue here though haemoglobin
[15:50] <ahma> Me neither
[15:50] <haemogoblin> Well if you can tell me how to make the trashcan appear i'd be greatful
[15:50] <tzhuang> the community here on irc seems better than the the one on ubuntu lol
[15:50] <andantino> in fact because there is less on the system, i dont think i have noticed any bugs with lubuntu
[15:50] <tzhuang> o pssht i never even use the trashcan. everything goes striaght to obliteration
[15:50] <tzhuang> loool
[15:50] <andantino> nothing i remember anyways
[15:51] <haemogoblin> i'm just a bit annoyed with constantly having to go via the filemanager when i need to get somewhere
[15:51] <andantino> and i think lxde actually looks pretty sharp
[15:51] <ahma> Haemogoblin, open folders and it should be in menu left
[15:51] <tzhuang> 11.10 is scheduled release tmr same time as ubuntu?
[15:51] <andantino> especially with lubuntu's default panel
[15:51] <haemogoblin> open folderS?
[15:52] <haemogoblin> you mean filemanager?
[15:52] <ahma> Like homefolder
[15:52] <haemogoblin> thats my filemanager
[15:52] <andantino> your app launcher menu thing
[15:53] <haemogoblin> one sec
[15:53] <andantino> if you find network
[15:53] <andantino> just right click and add to desktop
[15:53] <andantino> but there is something weird there, because it definitely should be in your systray thingy
[15:53] <haemogoblin> want to run that past me one more time
[15:53] <haemogoblin> on my system tray i have
[15:53] <andantino> it should be on the right side
[15:53] <andantino> over by the clock
[15:54] <haemogoblin> filemanager, chrome, iconify all windows
[15:54] <haemogoblin> ok
[15:54] <haemogoblin> i've got it open
[15:54] <andantino> do you have stuff on the right side?
[15:54] <haemogoblin> Yes
[15:54] <haemogoblin> sound
[15:54] <haemogoblin> clock
[15:54] <haemogoblin> and power icon
[15:54] <andantino> thats where it should be
[15:54] <haemogoblin> for shutting down
[15:55] <andantino> right click on the panel itself haemoglobin
[15:55] <haemogoblin> will i find it under the add/remove panel window?
[15:55] <andantino> in an empty place
[15:55] <andantino> panel preferences
[15:55] <haemogoblin> yep
[15:55] <haemogoblin> i'm there now
[15:56] <haemogoblin> panel prefs
[15:56] <andantino> anything for adding icons
[15:56] <andantino> or
[15:56] <andantino> maybe its not panel preferences
[15:56] <andantino> right click on panel again
[15:56] <andantino> and is there anything for adding stuff to panel
[15:56] <andantino> i could go on my lubuntu pc
[15:57] <andantino> ill do just that....brb with exact instructions
[15:57] <andantino> unless you figure it out first
[15:58] <haemogoblin> i've been at it over and hour
[15:58] <haemogoblin> an hour
[15:58] <haemogoblin> and had no luck
[15:58] <haemogoblin> i've not got a clue what i'm doing wrong
[15:58] <haemogoblin> i KNOW i had it working before
[15:58] <haemogoblin> but i reinstalled
[16:02] <andantino> hmmm
[16:02] <andantino> weird i figured out how to delete items from the systray
[16:02] <andantino> there should be a way to reset the panel
[16:02] <tzhuang> 11.10 is scheduled release tmr same time as ubuntu?
[16:03] <haemogoblin> well i've been through all the panel plugins and nothing
[16:03] <haemogoblin> i cant seem to add icons to my desktop
[16:03] <andantino> i would think so tzhuang
[16:03] <andantino> lubuntu is now officially part of the ubuntu family with this release
[16:03] <andantino> you will find out tomorrow
[16:04] <andantino> to add items to the desktop
[16:04] <andantino> you use your launcher menu
[16:04] <andantino> navigate to the program you want
[16:04] <andantino> like you would when you want to use it, but right click on it and select add to desktop
[16:05] <haemogoblin> ok
[16:05] <haemogoblin> i know this
[16:05] <andantino> but it does not work
[16:05] <haemogoblin> bare with me
[16:05] <andantino> ?
[16:05] <haemogoblin> open your filemanager
[16:05] <haemogoblin> on the menu click GO
[16:05] <haemogoblin> Network Drives
[16:05] <haemogoblin> I want a short cut for Network drives
[16:05] <haemogoblin> on the desktop
[16:05] <andantino> have you tried right clicking on it?
[16:06] <haemogoblin> it's not an icon it's a menu option
[16:06] <haemogoblin> if you try on your lubuntu you will see what i mean
[16:06] <andantino> ok one sec
[16:06] <haemogoblin> on the left panel of the filemanager window
[16:06] <haemogoblin> i have
[16:07] <haemogoblin> my user, desktop, rubbish, Applications
[16:07] <andantino> im not talking about file manager
[16:07] <andantino> do you not have like a start menu?
[16:07] <haemogoblin> yes i do
[16:07] <andantino> can you find your network in there?
[16:07] <haemogoblin> nope
[16:07] <andantino> ok one sec
[16:07] <andantino> really though
[16:07] <andantino> i think you should reinstall
[16:08] <KM0201> you want it on your desktop?
[16:08] <haemogoblin> yes
[16:08] <KM0201> that shouldn't be that difficult.
[16:08] <KM0201> hold on
[16:08] <andantino> you never had a network icon in your systray
[16:08] <andantino> even after install?
[16:08] <haemogoblin> i hade one before
[16:08] <haemogoblin> but i had to reinstall
[16:08] <haemogoblin> and since then
[16:08] <andantino> are you using the beta?
[16:08] <KM0201> oh, you want a network icon in your system try
[16:09] <andantino> well he just wants a network icon somewhere
[16:09] <KM0201> wait, i'm confused.
[16:09] <andantino> that should be there by default
[16:09] <haemogoblin> i like one on the system tray or the desktop
[16:09] <KM0201> ok.
[16:09] <andantino> i think something is screwed up with his install
[16:09] <haemogoblin> just so i can skip the whole, taskbar/filemanager/go/
[16:09] <KM0201> andantino: and you currently don't haveone on the taskbar, right?
[16:09] <andantino> i do
[16:09] <haemogoblin> i dont
[16:10] <haemogoblin> :)
[16:10] <andantino> he never had one
[16:10] <KM0201> ok
[16:10] <KM0201> i take it lubuntu gets online normally?
[16:10] <andantino> which seems kinda strange
[16:10] <haemogoblin> i installed the alternate iso and upgraded to 10.04
[16:11] <KM0201> lubuntu didn't have a verssion prior to 10.04
[16:11] <haemogoblin> i used the alternative-iso as originally i was using a 4gb microdrive
[16:11] <haemogoblin> i mean 11.04
[16:11] <haemogoblin> sorry
[16:11] <KM0201> ok
[16:11] <KM0201> what did you upgrade? 10.10?
[16:11] <haemogoblin> one sec
[16:13] <KM0201> if you didn't upgrade from 10.10, to 11.04.. thent hat could be some of the problem, even w/ the alt cd as the upgrade source, you cannot skip releases (unless going LTS to LTS)
[16:13] <andantino> if its not too much of a hassle
[16:13] <andantino> i would just download and reinstall
[16:14] <haemogoblin> i think i will
[16:14] <andantino> KM, if i install the beta all i would need to do is update and upgrade
[16:14] <haemogoblin> that is the one thing i didn't do
[16:14] <KM0201> andantino: i'm not suggesting install the beta
[16:14] <andantino> and it will upgrade me to 11.10 when it is released ya
[16:14] <haemogoblin> when i installed the alt iso
[16:15] <haemogoblin> i didn't update it
[16:15] <andantino> no i know, im asking personally
[16:15] <haemogoblin> i just let it upgrade
[16:15] <KM0201> yes, if you install the beta, and keep it up to date, when the final release hits, you'll have "final"
[16:15] <haemogoblin> perhaps thats the difference
[16:15] <haemogoblin> maybe thats why i'm missing menu options
[16:15] <andantino> im considering putting it on my moms lappy
[16:15] <haemogoblin> i might download the full iso and see how i get on
[16:15] <andantino> yeah those things should be there by default haemoglobin
[16:16] <haemogoblin> thanks
[16:16] <haemogoblin> i'll do that tonight
[16:16] <haemogoblin> i didn't think lubuntu was THAT different to ubuntu
[16:16] <haemogoblin> which is what was throwing me
[16:16] <andantino> well, i have never had problems with it here
[16:16] <andantino> i think maybe when you reinstall everything should be a bit rosier for you
[16:17] <andantino> though i gotta admit i rarely touch this computer
[16:17] <haemogoblin> I just built this one
[16:18] <haemogoblin> i've made a sort of vintage looking mini ITX system
[16:18] <andantino> i like a lot of lubuntu's included software
[16:18] <haemogoblin> looks like a mini Altair 8800
[16:18] <andantino> not that its hard to change in ubuntu
[16:18] <andantino> but there is much less of it and i prefer pidgin to empathy
[16:18] <andantino> i prefer abiword to libreoffice
[16:19] <andantino> KM, 11.10 will be released tomorrow, ya?
[16:19] <wxl> morning kids
[16:19] <KM0201> andantino: id assume so
[16:19] <wxl> haemogoblin: what's the specs on that miniITX box?
[16:19] <KM0201> andantino: but the odds of Lubuntu 11.10 being released tomorrow, seems far fetched
[16:20] <andantino> ah
[16:20] <andantino> have you tried the beta?
[16:20] <wxl> i'm planning on doing a miniITX NAS
[16:20] <wxl> using it for other things too, e.g. icecast
[16:20] <tzhuang> sry im like hopping back and forth to the keyboard
[16:20] <tzhuang> andantino: thanks a lot for your help
[16:21] <KM0201> wxl: i'm running ubuntu server on my NAS
[16:21] <KM0201> it's easy
[16:21] <wxl> sweet
[16:21] <andantino> no problem
[16:21] <KM0201> mine is basic.. FTP, Torrent, Samba, Mediatomb, Firefly
[16:21] <andantino> did you install it already tzhunag?
[16:21] <andantino> tzhuang*
[16:22] <wxl> i really wanted an asus hummingbird mboard but it seems they're gone
[16:22] <KM0201> hmm
[16:22] <KM0201> mine's just on an old PC i had
[16:22] <KM0201> well, old "semi-rebuilt" PC
[16:22] <wxl> yeah i could do that
[16:22] <wxl> my wife wouldn't let me ;)
[16:22] <wxl> i actually have a machine that's perfect for that
[16:22] <wxl> i think it would be fun to build a miniITX box
[16:22] <KM0201> not the fastest thing on the planet, but slapped a couple 1tb drives in there, and it's awesome as a home server
[16:23] <KM0201> why mini-itx?
[16:23] <wxl> small
[16:23] <KM0201> i see
[16:23] <wxl> run it headless on the bookshelf
[16:23] <wxl> means wife doesn't complain
[16:23] <KM0201> well, headless... that goes w/o saying
[16:23] <wxl> sure, sure
[16:24] <KM0201> although.. you'll probably need some sort of display temporarily (along w/ an optical drive) till you get the OS installed and set up
[16:24] <wxl> so does ubuntu server offer a desktop environment by default
[16:24] <wxl> yeah and that's no prob
[16:24] <KM0201> no
[16:25] <wxl> oh that's good!
[16:25] <KM0201> its totally command line.. managed by SSH from a client machine
[16:25] <wxl> exactly my thinking
[16:25] <KM0201> i practiced w/ Vbox, before fully implementing it onto my server
[16:25] <KM0201> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112265
[16:25] <wxl> the think that's nice about that asus hummingbird is it offers BIOS LEVEL remote access
[16:26] <KM0201> really?
[16:26] <KM0201> thats impressive
[16:26] <wxl> http://www.asus.com/Server_Workstation/Server_Motherboards/Hummingbird/
[16:26] <wxl> i just can't find any anywhere
[16:27] <KM0201> that looks expensive
[16:27] <wxl> yeah it'snot the cheapest thing around
[16:27] <wxl> i'm of the mindset tho you get what you pay for
[16:27] <KM0201> yeah, but.. for me, thats overkill for my home server
[16:28] <KM0201> all i need is a few sataports, wakeonlan, and thats about it
[16:28] <wxl> raid's important to me
[16:28] <wxl> wake on lan
[16:28] <wxl> watchdog timer
[16:28] <KM0201> i use raid1 (software)... i considered getting a raid controller, but changed my mind.
[16:29] <wxl> why for?
[16:29] <KM0201> honestly, cuz i had the software raid working fine, no reasn to mess with it.
[16:29] <KM0201> i've got my 1tb drives mirroring just fine, i've got the actual OS installed on an old 80gig 2.5in hard drive i had...
[16:29] <KM0201> overkill on space.. but.. meh, i don't care
[16:30] <wxl> i've not had the experience with software raid but concerns i've read about reliability have me worried
[16:30] <KM0201> software raid is very dependable.
[16:31] <KM0201> another issue you'd want to consider, if you bought a motherboard that obscure, is if ubuntu(assuming you used ubuntu server) woudl 100% support it
[16:31] <wxl> yep, good point
[16:31] <andantino> anyone know if 11.10 will have an official 64 bit release?
[16:31] <wxl> it does have general linux support
[16:31] <wxl> i'm sure 11.10 will have everything eventually
[16:31] <wxl> in the near term, i don't think we'll see it or ppc for that matter (my gripe)
[16:32] <KM0201> well, PPC ubuntu's are a community project.. i don't think they ar eofficially suppoted by canonical any longer
[16:32] <wxl> they're always offering ppcs in daily which is encouraging
[16:33] <wxl> i've seen seasons where that was too much to ask
[16:33] <KM0201> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[16:33] <KM0201> yea
[16:33] <KM0201> Is Ubuntu supported on PowerPC?
[16:33] <KM0201> Ubuntu 6.10 was the last officially supported PowerPC version of Ubuntu. Future versions will be community supported. This was announced on the mailing list.
[16:33] <wxl> i'm running ocelot on a powerbook :D
[16:33] <KM0201> but it's an intel isn't it?
[16:33] <wxl> ubuntu wikis are RIDDLED with outdated info
[16:33] <wxl> nope
[16:34] <wxl> g4
[16:34] <KM0201> hmm,
[16:34] <KM0201> interesting
[16:34] <KM0201> like i said though, i don't think it's an official ubuntu port
[16:34] <KM0201> could be wrong though.
[16:34] <wxl> used one of the dalies and it's wonderful
[16:34] <wxl> way faster than leopard (os x) was
[16:46] <haemogoblin> back
[16:46] <wxl> sounds like ppc isn't being totally swept under the table: http://v.gd/9EOhTW
[16:46] <haemogoblin> hey just a thought, but i read online someone mentioning openbox
[16:47] <haemogoblin> and that it doesn't support desktop icons
[16:47] <haemogoblin> could this have any bearing on what i'm having trouble with?
[16:59] <haemogoblin> Yay i found how to do it!
[16:59] <haemogoblin> :D
[17:03] <silverlightning> hi
[17:31] <silverlightning> hi
[17:36] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo silverlightning
[17:37] <silverlightning> ; )
[17:37] <silverlightning> my oneric is still working
[17:51] <silverlightning> I miss all kinds of plugins stil
[17:53] <silverlightning> anyone clever with plugins?
[17:53] <silverlightning> what is running here http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=23173131
[17:53] <silverlightning> ?
[17:54] <silverlightning> for live events on the web
[17:55] <silverlightning> hi KM0201
[17:55] <silverlightning> just the right guy
[17:56] <KM0201> uh oh
[17:56] <silverlightning> ; )
[17:56] <silverlightning> are you in lubuntu now?
[17:56] <KM0201> yes
[17:56] <silverlightning> can you test this one for me http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=23173131
[17:56] <silverlightning> I am missing a plugin and can't figure out which?
[17:57] <KM0201> works for me.. they're talking about money.
[17:57] <KM0201> horrible audio though
[17:57] <KM0201> sounds like a tatoo gun is in the background
[17:57] <KM0201> lol
[17:57] <KM0201> silverlightning: it seems to need flash... (thats what i'm using to play it..) do you have flash
[17:58] <silverlightning> I don't have flash?
[17:58] <silverlightning> hmm
[17:58] <silverlightning> package manager?
[17:58] <KM0201> i don't know, do you have flash?
[17:58] <KM0201> thats what i'm using to play it, and ti works.
[17:58] <KM0201> can you view youtube videos?
[17:59] <silverlightning> it is probably so, I miss flash
[17:59] <KM0201> well, then install flash
[18:00] <silverlightning> I usually get flash very fast
[18:00] <silverlightning> like first thing I install
[18:00] <silverlightning> this time I went straight for html5
[18:01] <silverlightning> hmm, It seems some flash packages are installed ?
[18:01] <wxl> are we all on firefox?
[18:01] <KM0201> no way
[18:01] <KM0201> Chrome
[18:01] <wxl> you too silverlightning ?
[18:01] <KM0201> or Chromium... whatever
[18:02] <silverlightning> I am in chromium,
[18:02] <silverlightning> but I might get ff
[18:02] <silverlightning> because of the plugin
[18:02] <KM0201> why? flash works fine w/ chromium
[18:03] <silverlightning> but doesn't have flash video replacer ; )
[18:03] <KM0201> i have no idea what that is, so... ok
[18:03] <KM0201> if i could get totem to adjust brightness, i'd be thrilled
[18:04] <KM0201> but i can't find an equalizer on it anywhere
[18:04] <negueba> how can i watch 720p utube videos on totem???
[18:04] <silverlightning> a clever plugin KM0201
[18:05] <silverlightning> no totem here
[18:05] <silverlightning> mplayer is much nicer on this system
[18:05] <wxl> i thought chrome was the natural default for lubuntu but every time i've installed i've gotten firefox. maybe there's no ppc version
[18:06] <wxl> admittedly i'd miss vimperator
[18:06] <silverlightning> really weird, only chromium here
[18:06] <silverlightning> the last two 11.04 and 10
[18:07] <KM0201> wxl: thats probably what it is.. strange though (i always get chromium)
[18:07] <wxl> yeah that's what it is
[18:07] <wxl> ppc
[18:12] <wxl> just loaded up my intel vm and it's got chromium
[18:16] <KM0201> yeah, makes sense i guess
[18:16] <KM0201> i'm trying to find a good icon to shortcut my NAS..
[18:16] <KM0201> not realy coming up w/ one though
[18:17] <silverlightning> back in a while
[18:27] <silverlightning> hi again
[18:27] <silverlightning> now it says I need to update flash player?
[18:28] <KM0201> well, what version of flash are you using?
[18:28] <silverlightning> i just installed flash player?
[18:28] <silverlightning> hmm, hard to tell
[18:28] <silverlightning> adobe flash is not listed as app
[18:29] <KM0201> type "about:plugins" in the URL of chrome, and hit enter
[18:29] <silverlightning> with tongue out+
[18:29] <silverlightning> ?
[18:29] <Gene> hey guys, is the lubuntu 'minimal diskspace' iso a 'live cd' ?
[18:30] <KM0201> minimal disk space?...
[18:30] <wxl> Gene: minimal INSTALL is not
[18:30] <silverlightning> I really should have all plugins
[18:30] <wxl> and i think that those are synonymous
[18:30] <KM0201> Gene: minimal install, is a command line only OS...
[18:30] <Gene> yeah, claims to be the same thing except using a different installer and requireing less disk
[18:31] <wxl> oh right it is a live cd i forgot
[18:31] <wxl> but true, it is cli only
[18:31] <silverlightning> I think regular lubuntu needs 4 point something GB to install
[18:31] <KM0201> hmm, neer heard of that one
[18:31] <Gene> I have a friend with a toshiba laptop, and a counterfeit windows, looking for something light to put in for him.
[18:32] <Gene> looking for something he could 'try out' before we actually install
[18:32] <wxl> Gene: if you want light and graphical, go lubuntu
[18:32] <silverlightning> lubuntu might be ideal Gene
[18:32] <wxl> if you want to try it out, just make a dvd out of the standard desktop
[18:32] <bioterror> make USB pendrive
[18:32] <wxl> or a usb key if his bios supports it
[18:32] <bioterror> if you hardware supports usb
[18:32] <bioterror> it's faster
[18:32] <silverlightning> regular lubuntu would boot fine into live cd? regardless of disk space?
[18:32] <Gene> not sure if his does or not
[18:33] <wxl> one way to find out-- look at the bios settings
[18:33] <Gene> yeah, he ( and his comp) aren't here at the moment
[18:33] <wxl> i had a near-full hard drive that i ran the live cd on silverlightning
[18:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> silverlightning: try add cannonical partner repo and install adobe-flashplugin
[18:33] <Gene> just trying to find something to burn to disk to be prepared
[18:34] <wxl> Gene: then i'd just make a live dvd
[18:34] <silverlightning> Gene, have you tipped him about irc? pigin is default in latest lubuntu
[18:34] <Gene> is it? good
[18:34] <silverlightning> yes, I like it
[18:34] <Gene> he's 77, an artist, and relatively computer illiterate (so far)
[18:34] <wxl> cool good job gene
[18:35] <Gene> i'm getting ready to educate him
[18:35] <silverlightning> gene, do you have specs for the toshiba?
[18:35] <Gene> not right off hand, like i said, not here
[18:35] <wxl> is it a desktop or laptop?
[18:35] <silverlightning> JohnDoe_71Rus: I think I have,
[18:35] <Gene> laptop
[18:36] <wxl> know what windows he's running?
[18:36] <Gene> somewhere around 1.6 ghz, and a bit less than 1 gig of memory
[18:36] <silverlightning> JohnDoe_71Rus: unusual issue this time
[18:36] <wxl> ok well that's telling
[18:36] <Gene> counterfeit xp
[18:36] <wxl> my guess is it will work
[18:36] <wxl> ..with usb
[18:36] <KM0201> i think i got my desktop how i want it now, i'm happy...lol    http://imagebin.org/178658
[18:36] <silverlightning> lubuntu is very easy transition from xp
[18:36] <KM0201> silverlightning: thats ridiculous
[18:37] <silverlightning> nice dekstop
[18:37] <haemogoblin> xp / lubuntu lol
[18:37] <silverlightning> I must have messed up somewhere
[18:37] <KM0201> messed up what?
[18:37] <silverlightning> butus are so easy
[18:37] <silverlightning> my flash or related plugin
[18:38] <KM0201> ubuntu's are easy, but there is a very steep learning curve when coming from windows, to linux
[18:38] <KM0201> and telling people it's an "easy transition" is just simply a lie.
[18:38] <KM0201> most of us have been "Window'd" since we were in first grade.
[18:38] <haemogoblin> KM0201: how did you get that nas icon?
[18:38] <KM0201> haemogoblin: i downloaded it..lol
[18:39] <haemogoblin> oh do tell
[18:39] <silverlightning> yes, you do have to go through the fickely restricted stuff, unless you are lucky with restricted packages and everything works
[18:39] <Gene> no transition for him, just learning curve, he's pretty illiterate
[18:39] <KM0201> Gene: then he's perfect.
[18:39] <haemogoblin> i've not been able to get any icons on the desktop
[18:39] <Gene> hopefully
[18:39] <haemogoblin> and thats exactly what i was after
[18:39] <haemogoblin> :D
[18:39] <silverlightning> KM0201: true, me too. It was all windows
[18:39] <silverlightning> and the odd mac
[18:40] <KM0201> haemogoblin: well, the way *I* did it.... (there's other ways of course
[18:40] <KM0201> go to menu/accessories/file manage
[18:40] <haemogoblin> there
[18:40] <KM0201> and right click file manager in the menu, and choose 'add to desktop"
[18:40] <KM0201> (sorry, right click it in the menu)
[18:40] <silverlightning> seriously, I have never had issues with flash before
[18:40] <KM0201> that will add it to the desktop
[18:40] <silverlightning> ever
[18:40] <silverlightning> well, at least only cpu heavy
[18:40] <KM0201> then, right click the new icon on your desktop, and choose "Leafpad"
[18:41] <haemogoblin> one sec
[18:41] <haemogoblin> i'm catching up with you
[18:41] <haemogoblin> :P
[18:41] <KM0201> no pro
[18:41] <KM0201> *b
[18:41] <silverlightning> I had a medibuntu page last night
[18:41] <haemogoblin> ok i'm there
[18:41] <wxl> anyone had a lot of experience with themeing? i've tried to get a couple from box looks or whatever it is going but no such luck
[18:41] <haemogoblin> leafpad is open
[18:41] <KM0201> haemogoblin: ok, did you open it in leafpad..
[18:41] <KM0201> ok..
[18:42] <haemogoblin> Yes
[18:42] <KM0201> now.. most of that stuff in there, is totally irrelevant, but...
[18:42] <KM0201> but.. first... at the very top, you'll see "Icon"... download an icon to your computer, and put the path to that icon there. (for instance, mine is /home/username/icons/icon.png)
[18:42] <silverlightning> what about gnash?
[18:42] <KM0201> then "Name"  this is the actual name of the icon on the desktop... change that from "file-manager" to whatever you want... I choose "NAS" obviously
[18:42] <wxl> running my vm with 256mb of ram and it's really not too bad.. especially given i've got the cpu throttled back to max at 70% usage (in the vm)
[18:43] <KM0201> haemogoblin: got that so far?
[18:43] <wxl> as far as i know the flash options are adobe, gnash, lightspark, and swfdec silverlightning
[18:43] <haemogoblin> well i'm going to skip the icon bit
[18:43] <silverlightning> wxl: you  mean choose default themes in dekstop manager+
[18:43] <KM0201> haemogoblin: thats fine
[18:43] <haemogoblin> i've changed the name to NAS
[18:43] <KM0201> ok
[18:43] <silverlightning> sort of look and feel+
[18:43] <silverlightning> ?
[18:43] <KM0201> haemogoblin: now, scroll to the very bottom
[18:43] <haemogoblin> rgr, done
[18:44] <wxl> i haven't had much luck with any but i'm on ppc
[18:44] <KM0201> and like 3-4 lines up, you'll see   "Exec=pcmanfm ..."
[18:44] <haemogoblin> yep
[18:44] <wxl> and yeah, you're right silverlightning .. there's an option to install a new theme that i can never get to work
[18:44] <KM0201> make that.. "Exec=pcmanfm /path/to/NAS".. so for me.. it was.. "Exec=pcmanfm smb://<IP_ADDRESS>"
[18:44] <silverlightning> wxl, I seem only to have trouble with live audio transmission, "need to update adobe"
[18:44] <silverlightning> daft issues
[18:44] <KM0201> obviously, that is assuming you're using samba.
[18:45] <KM0201> on your server
[18:45] <haemogoblin> could i use the address network:///
[18:45] <KM0201> um... you can try.
[18:45] <haemogoblin> just to give me the top of the network?
[18:45] <silverlightning> what is my nick really?
[18:45] <silverlightning> here it says silverarrow?
[18:45] <KM0201> it won't hurt to try
[18:45] <KM0201> then after that, save the text file
[18:45] <KM0201> and then double click the icon, and see if it opens where you want it.
[18:46] <haemogoblin> KM0201: you are the man!
[18:46] <haemogoblin> :)
[18:46] <KM0201> ;)
[18:46] <haemogoblin> worked like a charm!
[18:46] <haemogoblin> thank you
[18:46] <haemogoblin> that is just great
[18:46] <wxl> that should be in a wiki somewhere
[18:46] <KM0201> you can creat ecustom ones, but.. i generally find that finding one to to modify, is easier
[18:46] <wxl> makes complete and total sense but is definitely not obvious
[18:46] <KM0201> wxl: i think it is in the faq (how to add .desktop files)
[18:46] <haemogoblin> where is a good place to find an icon online?
[18:46] <wxl> oh ok
[18:47] <KM0201> haemogoblin: i just did a google image search for that one.. since my server runs ubuntu, i put in something like "Ubuntu network icon" or something like that
[18:47] <haemogoblin> i've been looking all over and i've not had much luck finding anything in regards to desktop icons and lubuntu
[18:47] <wxl> you could look on box looks or deviant art
[18:47] <silverlightning> I do have flash plugin installer,
[18:49] <silverlightning> KM0201: I discovered why I was having trouble with streaming tv
[18:49] <KM0201> why is that?
[18:50] <haemogoblin> just downloading some icons now :)
[18:50] <haemogoblin> cheers man
[18:50] <silverlightning> KM0201: apparently this old laptop doesn't handle highest resolution
[18:50] <silverlightning> and aborts
[18:50] <KM0201> hmm
[18:50] <wxl> frankly i like the clean desktop
[18:50] <KM0201> wxl: so do i
[18:50] <wxl> i only like to have on the desktop what i am currently working on
[18:50] <KM0201> but i do like my NAS linked on my desktop, cuz i access it a good bit
[18:50] <wxl> that was something i hated about windows
[18:50] <silverlightning> I set it on medium and it runs fine, probably bogs up graphic card?
[18:50] <KM0201> hmm
[18:51] <wxl> why don't you stick it in your fstab to automount?
[18:51] <KM0201> wxl: it does auto mount
[18:51] <KM0201> but then i still have to constantly open file manager, etc.
[18:51] <wxl> bind a key to open it ;)
[18:51] <KM0201> i put a shortcut in pcmanfm... and i just didn't care for it there, so i wanted it on the desktop
[18:52] <KM0201> wxl: honestly, you'll probably think i'm a nut, i HATE keyboard shortcuts
[18:52] <KM0201> i always hav
[18:52] <wxl> i don't think you're a nut
[18:52] <KM0201> lol
[18:52] <wxl> but that's the total opposite of me
[18:52] <wxl> i'm one of those oddballs that actually understands why ratpoison exists
[18:52] <wxl> although that's an extreme i don't take it to
[18:54] <wxl> here's a question i have
[18:54] <wxl> i've had a bunch of problems trying to get my hidden wifi to connect on start up
[18:54] <haemogoblin> just got some nice icons
[18:54] <haemogoblin> :D
[18:54] <wxl> what's stranger is that when i try to connect to a hidden network it just sits and spins
[18:54] <haemogoblin> going to try adding it now
[18:54] <wxl> so i have to go into connections and delete it and start over
[18:54] <wxl> wtf?
[18:55] <KM0201> hmm, i have no idea on that one
[18:56] <haemogoblin> nice
[18:56] <haemogoblin> Cheers man that worked!
[18:56] <silverlightning> how do I check for flash player version?
[18:56] <KM0201> silverlightning:    about:plugins   in the URL bar of chrome
[18:57] <haemogoblin> KM0201: would you mind if i put this little trick up on my blog? i'll credit your name
[18:57] <haemogoblin> just i have spent all of today trying to work this out
[18:57] <KM0201> haemogoblin: yeah, learning how Lxde handles desktop shortcuts, but its not bad.
[18:57] <haemogoblin> and you've solved it in 5 minutes
[18:57] <KM0201> haemogoblin: lol, of course man
[18:57] <KM0201> haemogoblin: lol, had i known you had that problem, i could have told you, i figured out how to do that months ago when i had this issue..lol
[18:58] <haemogoblin> well i'll upload it to my blog at some point
[18:58] <silverlightning> KM0201: adobe or flash not listed?
[18:58] <KM0201> haemogoblin: obviously... if you want to create a shortcut to something other than a file browser, you'll have to modify it a little bit.
[18:58] <haemogoblin> keep an eye on here http://bytemyvdu.wordpress.com/
[18:58] <silverlightning> though, it shows as installed in package manager?
[18:59] <haemogoblin> yeah for right now, all i needed was a network shortcut and a computer shortcut
[18:59] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:00] <KM0201> haemogoblin: then how you did that, will work perfectly. it actually works perfect for anything you want to view w/ pcmanfm
[19:00] <KM0201> silverlightning: look at the very top..   http://imagebin.org/178665
[19:00] <KM0201> Gene: i meant to ask you, do you have solid linux experience... so this newb will have someone to rely on for help?
[19:00] <Gene> tried using : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CheckISO_CD to check the md5, doesn't work. help?
[19:01] <wxl> i agree
[19:01] <wxl> and you need to make sure update-manager is set up, Gene
[19:01] <Gene> using ubuntu 10.10
[19:01] <wxl> what do you mean, doesn't work? wrong md5?
[19:01] <silverlightning> http://imagebin.org/178666
[19:01]  * KM0201 never checks md5's..
[19:01]  * silverlightning always does
[19:02]  * wxl rarely does either, unless there's issues
[19:02] <Gene> doesn't show the cd on the desktop, even though it's there
[19:02] <KM0201> wxl: if there's issues, i burn another cd...lol, if there's issues again, i download the ISO from another source and burn again
[19:02] <wxl> heh
[19:02] <silverlightning> mostly after two months of use, my puppy linux cd gave "check sum error" on boot
[19:02] <KM0201> checking the md5, is about number 9 on the list of things i check for that sort of thing.
[19:02] <wxl> i don't like puppy
[19:03] <silverlightning> KM0201: what is it with my plugins?
[19:03] <KM0201> i've honestly never had a properly burned *buntu cd fail me
[19:03] <wxl> that whole thing about checking teh md5 on the CD with dd is like.. uhhhhh... a little OCD
[19:03] <KM0201> silverlightning: honestly, i have no idea.
[19:03] <wxl> and it takes bloody FOREVER
[19:03] <haemogoblin> which is better firefox or chrome in lubuntu?
[19:03] <KM0201> silverlightning: disable html5 on youtube, and see if you can watch youtube w/ flash
[19:03] <Gene> ok, thanks anyway
[19:03] <wxl> haemogoblin: there are those that would argue for both
[19:03] <haemogoblin> hmm if this was my windows system it would be firefox
[19:03] <haemogoblin> for my
[19:03] <haemogoblin> me
[19:03] <wxl> chrome is a little lighter
[19:03] <haemogoblin> ah
[19:04] <wxl> anyone tried arora?
[19:04] <wxl> (i do prefer webkit)
[19:04] <haemogoblin> well i'm using an intel duo 1.6ghz
[19:04] <KM0201> i like them both, but.. i figure pretty soon, google is gonna take over the world, might as well get in line now.
[19:04] <KM0201> lol
[19:04] <silverlightning> KM0201: smart
[19:04] <haemogoblin> haha
[19:04] <wxl> doesn't f'in matter then haemogoblin  :)
[19:05] <haemogoblin> i choose lubuntu as it's a mini itx with 512mb ram
[19:05] <haemogoblin> So i wanted something light
[19:05] <KM0201> i have both on my system, but very rarely use firefox.. oddly enough, i have opera to.. why i don't know, but i do.
[19:05] <wxl> i'm running lubuntu on a vm with 256 and chrome seems good
[19:05] <haemogoblin> i seem to spend a lot of time running apps from the terminal
[19:05] <wxl> i personally find firefox a little memory happy
[19:05] <wxl> but there are plugins you can get to deal with that
[19:05] <wxl> haemogoblin: USE ELINKS :D
[19:06] <haemogoblin> elinks?
[19:06] <haemogoblin> what is that?
[19:06] <wxl> i want to hear about your miniitx system btw
[19:06] <haemogoblin> i'm using IRSSI at the moment
[19:06] <haemogoblin> this one i'm on now?
[19:06] <wxl> elinks is an awesome cli brwoser
[19:06] <KM0201> isn't elinks a text browser?
[19:06] <haemogoblin> ooh sounds good
[19:06] <wxl> yeppers, but if you like the terminal, there you go
[19:06] <haemogoblin> i'll have a look at that
[19:06] <KM0201> i tried it... it's a little to minimal for me
[19:06] <silverlightning> missing plugin?
[19:06] <wxl> if you want minimal graphics try dillo
[19:06] <haemogoblin> well ok
[19:06] <KM0201> silverlightning: there you go, you don't have flash installed
[19:06] <wxl> if you need all the bells and whistles and shit, do chrome
[19:06] <silverlightning> I do
[19:07] <silverlightning> weird
[19:07] <KM0201> silverlightning: lol, if it's telling you "missing plugin"... when you go to youtube, you don't
[19:07] <silverlightning> ...once more to package manager
[19:07] <haemogoblin> i was looking at the old Altair/Mits systems from the late 70's and i thought how cool they looked
[19:07] <KM0201> or you're using a really old version
[19:07] <KM0201> silverlightning: hold on a second
[19:07] <KM0201> close package manager
[19:07] <silverlightning> ok
[19:07] <haemogoblin> As i had a spare mini itx board sitting around
[19:08] <KM0201> silverlightning: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
[19:08] <wxl> who has a spare mini itx board lying around? i'm moving in with you, dude
[19:08] <haemogoblin> i built it into a box with a front panel with LEDS and switches
[19:08] <KM0201> silverlightning: go there, choose your version of ubuntu, and download the .deb
[19:08] <wxl> you built your own box?
[19:08] <wxl> like the enclosure?
[19:08] <KM0201> silverlightning: actually, wait
[19:08] <KM0201> don't do that
[19:08] <haemogoblin> No i found a case very similair to the old Altair cases
[19:08] <wxl> cool
[19:09] <wxl> you got pics of this thing somewhere?
[19:09] <haemogoblin> i didn't want to work on metal, cutting out the holes for stuff
[19:09] <haemogoblin> it would have been murder
[19:09] <haemogoblin> luckily this is plastic
[19:09] <silverlightning> KM0201: ? tar.gz, rpm, YUM?
[19:09] <haemogoblin> it's sitting here, flashing it's LEDS as me
[19:09] <haemogoblin> :P
[19:09] <wxl> i got a buddy into cnc.. that would be fun.. but those mini itx boxes (the fanless ones) ROCK
[19:09] <KM0201> silverlightning: hold on, i thought they had a .deb package
[19:09] <KM0201> trying to figure out where it goes... download th e.tar file
[19:09] <haemogoblin> one sec, i will find pics
[19:09] <wxl> kewl
[19:10] <silverlightning> I should be able to get latest adobe via terminal really
[19:10] <haemogoblin> i had to build my own regulator for the front panel, as the 5v and 12v feed from the itx psu was to much
[19:10] <silverlightning> backports are enabled in betas
[19:10] <KM0201> silverlightning: well, something isn't computing for you if youve failed to install it numerous times
[19:10] <KM0201> silverlightning: did you download the tar file?
[19:10] <silverlightning> no
[19:10] <KM0201> lol, ok
[19:11] <silverlightning> not yet at least
[19:11] <haemogoblin> http://bytemyvdu.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/heaven-im-in-blinkie-heaven/
[19:11] <haemogoblin> Ok this isn't the latest picture
[19:11]  * KM0201 remembers his teacher telling him about "leading horses to water..."
[19:11] <silverlightning> yes, but you said wait
[19:11] <haemogoblin> but it's a movie file showing the front panel working
[19:11] <wxl> cool. can't wait to finally get my nas built. i told my mother in law to get me an amazon.com gift cert so i can start getting some of the pieces (like the enclosure) i need
[19:11] <KM0201> silverlightning: well, then download it.
[19:11] <wxl> i also need a new router, unfortunately
[19:12] <wxl> i didn't realize i don't have gig ethernet on it :''''(
[19:12] <haemogoblin> what was that terminal web browser??
[19:13] <haemogoblin> i'm going to go download it
[19:13] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:13] <KM0201> you mean that browser that is totally unusable in 2011? ;)   elinks
[19:13] <wxl> elinks
[19:13] <haemogoblin> YES :D
[19:13] <haemogoblin> Woohoo
[19:13] <haemogoblin> hi ho hi ho...it's off to download i go
[19:13] <wxl> oh i forgot about w3m
[19:14] <wxl> it's a fork that's a little bit nicer
[19:14] <haemogoblin> I'm alreadying using Alpine to get my email
[19:14] <haemogoblin> ;)
[19:14] <wxl> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/W3m
[19:14] <wxl> look at that screenshot
[19:15] <wxl> inline images :D
[19:15] <KM0201> haemogoblin: do you keep media on your NAS? (movies, etc..) to watch from there?  if you do, you might wanna check out xbmc  it's awesome
[19:15] <haemogoblin> I do and i do
[19:15] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:15] <wxl> haemogoblin: if you're hardcore about text, use irssi and bitlbee for im/irc
[19:15] <haemogoblin> started out with it on my old Xbox some years ago
[19:15] <KM0201> oh ok.
[19:15] <wxl> heck i use it for twitter, identi.ca, facebook
[19:16] <haemogoblin> and now got my dad using it on his AppleTV
[19:16] <haemogoblin> :P
[19:16] <KM0201> man, i tried irssi... i'm just not l33t enough for that... i like at least a "little bit" of a GUI..
[19:16] <haemogoblin> i'm using IRSSI right now
[19:16] <wxl> for irc a gui is pointless but htat's my opinion
[19:16] <haemogoblin> i love the thing
[19:16] <bioterror> oh you youngsters, when I started to irc, we had only ircII, EPIC and BitchX ;)
[19:16] <bioterror> and ScrollZ
[19:16] <haemogoblin> i have my terminal old skool green text
[19:17] <mark76> Why do I get a pop up about an encrypted page when I click that link?
[19:17] <KM0201> wxl: i agree.. it is... but.. i'm usualy on 3 servers and about 10-12 channels.. it's just so easy to just click on them when i see them highlight
[19:17] <KM0201> lol
[19:17] <wxl> yeah now add bitlbee to it and you'll never need pidgin/finch again
[19:17] <wxl> bioterror: oh you're young. when i started we only had ircII :D
[19:17] <wxl> mark76: i use http-everywhere in firefox
[19:17] <haemogoblin> bitlbee
[19:17] <wxl> sorry https
[19:17] <haemogoblin> might have a look at that
[19:18] <bioterror> I would rather keep im clients off from irc clients
[19:18] <KM0201> that i agree w/
[19:18] <wxl> KM0201: this is the joy of linux-- different strokes for different folks
[19:18] <bioterror> you can use multiplexers like screen or tmux
[19:18] <KM0201> wxl: absolutely...
[19:18] <wxl> i luuuuv tmux
[19:18] <bioterror> and run finch or centerim for IM networks
[19:18] <silverlightning> really daft about flash player
[19:19] <silverlightning> o
[19:19] <wxl> i will admit alpine with gmail imap is annoying
[19:19] <haemogoblin> Elinks is AWESOME!!
[19:19] <KM0201> silverlightning: i have tried to help you... you won't listen
[19:19] <wxl> :)
[19:19] <wxl> play with that for a while and then try w3m haemogoblin
[19:19] <haemogoblin> I've surfing my blog with it
[19:19] <bioterror> wxl, I like cone more
[19:19] <haemogoblin> hahaha
[19:19] <haemogoblin> screen text
[19:19] <wxl> cone?
[19:19] <haemogoblin> green text i mean
[19:19] <KM0201> haemogoblin: lol, you're a glutton for punishment
[19:19] <wxl> link me bioterror
[19:19] <silverlightning> KM0201: sorry, I do listen, but hesitate a bit about direct download from adobe site
[19:19] <haemogoblin> w3m
[19:19] <bioterror> wxl, apt-cache show cone
[19:19] <KM0201> silverlightning: then i don't know what to tell you
[19:19] <wxl> oh well duh
[19:20] <haemogoblin> w3m?
[19:20] <haemogoblin> what is that
[19:20] <KM0201> another text browser
[19:20] <wxl> w3m is elinks+ -- it can do inline images
[19:20] <KM0201> you didn't really think linux would only have 1 text browser did you?
[19:20] <silverlightning> KM0201: it's all right, I'm just trying to detect where I have messed up
[19:20] <haemogoblin> Well i was struggling with the bloody icons, so i dont assume anything now!
[19:20] <silverlightning> bioterror, I figured out why tv stream didn't work
[19:20] <haemogoblin> Well i was struggling with the bloody icons, so i dont assume anything now!:P
[19:20] <KM0201> silverlightning: my first thought, would be adding that totally unecessary medibuntu repository, but i told you that yesterday
[19:21] <haemogoblin> what was that im program
[19:21] <silverlightning> KM0201: might very well be it. I thought I had plugin / codeks trouble
[19:21] <haemogoblin> i'll go add it now
[19:22] <wxl> thanks for the tip bioterror i'll check into it
[19:22] <KM0201> silverlightning: all iknow, is i don't have medibuntu, and every site you've linked me to, works just fine...
[19:22] <silverlightning> KM0201: to get all the mess cleaned up, new install I suspect
[19:22] <KM0201> now that i don't know, flash should be easy, you can uninstall al lthat crap you installed w/ medibuntu, then use lubuntu-restricted-extras and restricted-addons to add flash, etc
[19:22] <KM0201> to your system
[19:22] <KM0201> and you should be fine
[19:23] <haemogoblin> KM0201: what was that im app you suggested?
[19:23] <KM0201> thats all i installed, and honestly, i never run into online media i can't play, unless ever so rarely, i hit a silver light site
[19:23] <KM0201> for?.. instant messaging?   Pidgin
[19:23] <wxl> finch or centerim haemogoblin
[19:23] <wxl> finch is better tho imho
[19:23] <haemogoblin> someone suggested a text/terminal app
[19:23] <KM0201> yeah, if you're wanting a true command line thing.. finch is probably what you want
[19:23] <wxl> it's basically textpidgin
[19:23] <wxl> i mean it IS text pidgin
[19:23] <silverlightning> KM0201: this usually works here to, but not with this install
[19:23] <wxl> (thus the name)
[19:24] <silverlightning> I need a brake
[19:24] <KM0201> silverlightning: i don't know, like i said, i can lead you to water, but i'm not gonna drown you.
[19:24] <wxl> what kind, silverlightning ? disc? hydraulic?
[19:24] <bioterror> is finch fixed in ubuntu now
[19:24] <silverlightning> lol
[19:24] <bioterror> that it wont pull all X11 packages
[19:24] <silverlightning> break
[19:25] <haemogoblin> just installing finch and w3m now
[19:25] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:25] <haemogoblin> this should be fun
[19:25] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:25] <haemogoblin> btw control-alt-f1 put you in terminal right?
[19:26] <haemogoblin> How the heck do you exit out of it?
[19:26] <wxl> ctrl-alt-f7
[19:26] <KM0201> um... .f7
[19:26] <KM0201> woops
[19:26] <wxl> that technically is virtual terminal
[19:26] <KM0201> console..
[19:26] <wxl> ctrl-alt-t is terminal
[19:26] <wxl> (lxterminal)
[19:26] <KM0201> for some reason, lxterminal always screws up my dual screens
[19:26] <KM0201> have no idea why
[19:26] <KM0201> so i had to install gnome-terminal
[19:27] <wxl> ew
[19:27] <KM0201> it's just a terminal, i don't care
[19:27] <haemogoblin> the reason i ask is because i did a really stupid thing ealeir.. i was saw the control-alt-f1 thing..Though "ooh cool" pressed it and realised i didn't know how to get out.
[19:27] <haemogoblin> Had to reset the damn machine
[19:27] <haemogoblin> DOH!!
[19:27] <KM0201> haemogoblin: lol, if you had kept pressing (f2, f3, f4, etc.. ) you'd have gotten new consoles, till you hit 7, then you'd have been back at your desktop
[19:28] <haemogoblin> right let me just try that
[19:28] <haemogoblin> brb
[19:28] <haemogoblin> WOOOHOO
[19:28] <haemogoblin> i'm back
[19:28] <KM0201> lol
[19:28] <haemogoblin> well that was exciting
[19:28] <haemogoblin> God i'm easily pleased
[19:28] <haemogoblin> :P
[19:28] <wxl> :)
[19:29] <haemogoblin> maybe tomorrow i'll find a penny, who knows
[19:29] <wxl> and some abc gum
[19:29] <haemogoblin> :)
[19:31] <haemogoblin> i thought w3m showed images?
[19:31] <wxl> it should
[19:31] <haemogoblin> its not showing anything on google
[19:31] <haemogoblin> :/
[19:33] <haemogoblin> nope
[19:33] <haemogoblin> just had a play and it's not showing anything
[19:33] <haemogoblin> hmm
[19:33] <wxl> working on it
[19:34] <haemogoblin> ok
[19:35] <wxl> ohhhhhh
[19:35] <wxl> there's probably another w3m package compiled with image support
[19:35] <wxl> my bad
[19:36] <wxl> sorry i actually prefer bells and whistles and use firefox
[19:36]  * wxl ain't totally cli-only
[19:37] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/w3m
[19:37] <wxl> see that it recommends w3m-img
[19:37] <wxl> make sure you have that
[19:37] <haemogoblin> one sec
[19:37] <haemogoblin> :)
[19:37] <haemogoblin> thanks
[19:38] <wxl> btw i linked this last night but did you guys see the latest xkcd? http://xkcd.com/963/
[19:40] <wxl> THAT made me laugh
[19:41] <wxl> should change that to /usr/share/applications :D
[19:45] <KM0201> lmao
[19:45] <KM0201> thats pretty funny
[19:45] <wxl> right? i love xkcd
[19:46] <wxl> this is a favorite that would make sense to most irssi users regardless of bitlbee experience http://www.bitlbee.org/img/comic_3.0.png
[19:47] <KM0201> http://xkcd.com/958/
[19:48] <wxl> hehehe
[19:48] <haemogoblin> apparently people are having trouble getting w3m to work showing images
[19:49] <wxl> the one on the >c neutrinos was funny
[19:49] <haemogoblin> you need to install rxvt
[19:49] <wxl> wow that's lame
[19:50] <haemogoblin> what is rxvt?
[19:50] <wxl> another terminal
[19:50] <wxl> slimmed down xterm
[19:50] <haemogoblin> i thought so
[19:50] <bioterror> urxvt > *
[19:51] <haemogoblin> ahh
[19:51] <haemogoblin> i have discovered something else
[19:51] <haemogoblin> virtual terminal? ctr-alt-f1
[19:52] <haemogoblin> if i try w3m through there, it works
[19:52] <wxl> weird
[19:52] <wxl> extremely weird
[19:52] <wxl> that's unexpected
[19:52] <haemogoblin> so something about using the terminal through the GUI, throws it out
[19:52] <haemogoblin> :S
[19:53] <wxl> well at least you have a new project now :D
[19:53] <haemogoblin> yeah
[19:54] <haemogoblin> i just dont know how to quit w3m
[19:54] <wxl> try u try ctrl-c?
[19:55] <KM0201-NAS> ok, i'll try irssi
[19:55] <KM0201-NAS> lol
[19:55] <haemogoblin> nope
[19:56] <haemogoblin> it didn't work
[19:56] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:56] <KM0201> if you're in more than one channel, how do you switch in irssi?
[19:56] <wxl> ctrl-x KM0201 but i don't remember if that's something i set up or not
[19:56] <KM0201-NAS> oh ait, i seee... alt+1,2 ,3.."
[19:56] <haemogoblin> brb
[19:56] <wxl> i have so tweaked my config it's not even funny
[19:56] <haemogoblin> :D
[19:57] <wxl> even *I* don't remember how to do it
[19:57] <wxl> haemogoblin: press q
[19:57] <KM0201> someone say my name here as a test
[19:57] <wxl> KM0201:
[19:58] <KM0201-NAS> hmm, it seems the channel #s change colors when someone says your name (which is fine)
[19:58] <KM0201> KM0201
[19:58] <wxl> i've tweaked it so that it offers a bell too
[19:59] <KM0201> KM0201-NAS: test
[19:59] <KM0201-NAS> hmm
[19:59] <KM0201-NAS> now did you do that?
[19:59] <KM0201-NAS> cuz i have xchat set up for an audible alert as well
[20:00] <wxl>  /set bell_beeps ON
[20:00] <MnM> hello, i need step-by-step guide of how to move my /home folder to another partition........... any good links (i've googled some but i can't understand them)
[20:00] <wxl>  make sure HILIGHT is included in /set bell_beep_msg_level (run it once to see how it's set up)
[20:00] <KM0201> KM0201-NAS: test
[20:00] <KM0201> KM0201-NAS: test
[20:00] <KM0201> hmm, i don't hear anything
[20:01] <KM0201> or do i need to restart irssi?
[20:01] <wxl> might be you doing it
[20:01] <wxl> KM0201-NAS
[20:01] <wxl> oh he left
[20:01] <KM0201> yeah, hold on
[20:02] <KM0201> was restarting irssi, to see if that was the issue
[20:02] <wxl> (i ignore quits and joins.. too much bullshit)
[20:02] <KM0201> hehe
[20:02] <KM0201> KM0201-NAS: test
[20:03] <KM0201> hmm, no didn't hear anything out of xchat
[20:03] <wxl> KM0201-NAS: now?
[20:03] <KM0201> no
[20:03] <KM0201> you know what
[20:03] <wxl> that's weird
[20:03] <KM0201> i just thought of why this is.
[20:03] <wxl> ?
[20:03] <KM0201> i'm SSH'd into my server.
[20:03] <wxl> ah ha
[20:03] <KM0201> if i had speakers on my server, the sound is probably local
[20:03] <wxl> turn the volume up on the NAS ;D
[20:03] <KM0201> lol
[20:04] <KM0201> eh, i'll figure that one out later
[20:04] <wxl> you on lxterminal ssh'ing?
[20:04] <wxl> cuz if you are open prefs and click audible bell
[20:04] <wxl> might have been obvious but...... ;)
[20:05] <KM0201> naa, i'm using gnome-terminal
[20:05] <KM0201> and terminal bell is enabled
[20:06] <KM0201> lxterminal causes unusual behavior on my desktop
[20:07] <wxl> you said that
[20:07]  * wxl ain't paying attention
[20:07] <wxl> 'tis odd, that
[20:07] <KM0201> wxl: http://imagebin.org/178677
[20:08] <KM0201> it only happens on my PC (which is dual screens).. but when ever i open a terminal
[20:08] <KM0201> it opens up a huge black blotch in the upper left of the left monitor
[20:08] <haemogoblin> i can't seem to quit w3m from the virtual terminal
[20:08] <KM0201> if i drag windows over it like you would in "paint"... they disappear.
[20:08] <haemogoblin> :/
[20:08] <wxl> Q haemogoblin
[20:08] <KM0201> yup
[20:08] <haemogoblin> just Q
[20:08] <haemogoblin> not shift?
[20:08] <haemogoblin> ctr-q
[20:08] <wxl> no shit
[20:08] <wxl> just q
[20:08] <wxl> just the ltter q
[20:09] <haemogoblin> lol
[20:09] <haemogoblin> ok
[20:09] <KM0201> lol
[20:09] <wxl> nothing else
[20:09] <KM0201> absolutely nothing else
[20:09] <KM0201> just Q
[20:09] <haemogoblin> cheers that works
[20:09] <KM0201> not alt q, not shift q, not tab Q, insert q, end q, home q, page down q
[20:09] <haemogoblin> is there an reason why my virtual terminal isn't filling the screen?
[20:09] <KM0201> anyway, wxl did you see that screenshot of my prob?
[20:10] <wxl> hahahahahha whwat about qq?
[20:10] <KM0201> lol
[20:10] <wxl> sorry KM0201 waiting on chrome to load
[20:10] <wxl> 256mb ram does have its faults
[20:10] <KM0201> it only happens on my dual screen PC.. the "single display PC".. and a laptop, it works fine
[20:10] <KM0201> so the pc, i just use gnome-terminal
[20:10] <KM0201> yeah th image is kinda huge
[20:11] <KM0201> i thnk its 2700x1200 or something
[20:11] <haemogoblin> virtual terminal is taking up only a quarter of the top left of the screen and the rest is just black
[20:11] <wxl> oh and i forget that i'm running in a vm and that vm is limited to 70% processor and i have TONS of stuff on my actual desktop not tomention the os here is windows which we all know is freaking BLOATWARE
[20:11] <wxl> try clear haemogoblin ?
[20:11] <KM0201> lol
[20:11] <haemogoblin> WinBlows
[20:11] <KM0201> when are you gonna install lubuntu as a dual boot?
[20:12] <wxl> work computer
[20:12] <wxl> not my choice
[20:12] <KM0201> meh, good point
[20:12] <wxl> the vm is there so i can feel some level of sanity :D
[20:12] <haemogoblin> tried it just now
[20:12] <KM0201> tried what
[20:12] <haemogoblin> using the clear command
[20:12] <KM0201> oh yeah, it's useful
[20:12] <haemogoblin> the prompt starts at the top of the screen
[20:13] <haemogoblin> but say i do a DIR
[20:13] <KM0201> what do you mean?
[20:13] <wxl> KM0201: his tty/virtual terminal is only filling a portion of his screen
[20:14] <KM0201> oh
[20:14] <KM0201> i have no idea on that one
[20:14] <haemogoblin> yes
[20:14] <KM0201> i don't use TTY that ofte
[20:14] <haemogoblin> correct
[20:14] <wxl> btw KM0201 that image is weird
[20:14] <wxl> i'm not much of a tty user either
[20:14] <haemogoblin> oh well i'll google it
[20:14] <wxl> if i'm gonna go that route i'll just not have a desktop environement
[20:14] <haemogoblin> see if i can find a solution
[20:15] <haemogoblin> well tbh i wouldn't mind being able to boot in to the prompt occasionally
[20:15] <haemogoblin> so i can go on irssi and alpine without need of the gui
[20:15] <wxl> haemogoblin: you should remember you do have others
[20:15] <KM0201> wxl: yeah, like i said, i tonly happens when i open lxterminal, on my dual screen machine
[20:15] <wxl> you have tty1-6
[20:15] <wxl> KM0201: have you dropped that on the lxde folks?
[20:15] <KM0201> wxl: naa
[20:16] <wxl> you might want to
[20:16] <haemogoblin> ttyl-6?
[20:16] <wxl> tty 1-6
[20:16] <KM0201> it's done it for as long as i've used lxde (at least 6-7mo).. it's nt a huge deal, like i said, i just use gnome-terminal.
[20:16] <wxl> meaning you have more than one
[20:16] <KM0201> wxl: i imagine others have had that problem. i can't imagine i'm the only one
[20:16] <wxl> try ctrl-alt-f1,2,3,4,5,6
[20:17] <haemogoblin> ooh
[20:17] <wxl> yeah well i think for lubuntu to really do its job well it should have shit like that figured out
[20:17] <KM0201> wxl: well, it doesn't do it on my other PC, or on my laptop.
[20:17] <KM0201> so... i can only assume it's something to do w/ my dual screens
[20:17] <wxl> with dual monitors tho?
[20:17] <wxl> yeah see that's what i'm saying
[20:18] <wxl> and i will tell you dual monitor setups are pretty common place among the linux users i know
[20:19] <KM0201> yeahm they are
[20:23] <wxl> is there something like gnome-system-monitor we could be using to watch memory usage?
[20:24] <haemogoblin> i wish there was a way to throttle back this system fan
[20:24] <haemogoblin> it's giving me a headache
[20:24] <KM0201> wxl: task manager... menu/system tools
[20:24] <KM0201> there's also a panel applet.
[20:24] <wxl> haemogoblin: probably is but not necessarily without detrimental circumstances
[20:24] <haemogoblin> yeah
[20:24] <wxl> there's a panel applet for memory?
[20:24] <KM0201> yes.
[20:24] <wxl> i found the one for cpu
[20:24] <haemogoblin> i've ordered a new silent fan
[20:25] <haemogoblin> hoping it will fix it
[20:25] <haemogoblin> I have to mini itx boards
[20:25] <haemogoblin> Epia m10000
[20:25] <bioterror> wxl, free -m
[20:25] <wxl> yeah there's all that
[20:25] <wxl> i was hoping for something visual
[20:25] <haemogoblin> and the MSI fuzzy thats inside this machine
[20:25] <wxl> like the cpu panel applet
[20:25] <wxl> what's the name of the memory applet?
[20:25] <bioterror> wxl, take LSD and say free -m in terminal :D
[20:26] <KM0201> hmm, ther was one, i guess its gone now
[20:26] <KM0201> i remember it specifically
[20:27] <bioterror> htop shows nice bars and what ever you want
[20:27] <bioterror> but it just doesnt tell you the "truth"
[20:27] <wxl> htop yeah
[20:27] <wxl> forgot about that
[20:27] <wxl> but what do you mean about the truth?
[20:27] <wxl> doesn't show root processes?
[20:27] <bioterror> compare it to free -m, and you will see
[20:28] <haemogoblin> i'm i better doing a search for ttyl or virtual terminal if i'm looking for a fix for the screen size issue?
[20:28] <wxl> tty or "virtual terminal"
[20:28] <haemogoblin> thanks
[20:28] <haemogoblin> :D
[20:28] <bioterror> what screen size issues?
[20:30] <wxl> bioterror: after playing with w3m his tty only filled up a fraction of the screen
[20:30] <bioterror> oh well, w3m is horrible if you compare it to elinks
[20:31] <wxl> oh?
[20:31] <wxl> i thought it was just elinks with extra shit
[20:31] <haemogoblin> bioterror: in virtual terminal
[20:31] <haemogoblin> the text of the terminal only uses about a quarter of the entire screen
[20:32] <haemogoblin> it's like having a console window open in the GUI and having the space to the right and bottom just empty
[20:32] <haemogoblin> i dont know if it's meant to look like that
[20:33] <haemogoblin> i would have thought a full screen terminal would take up, the fullscreen :/
[20:33] <haemogoblin> so i'm doing a search
[20:34] <KM0201> bioterror: do you know of an app that will view pictures on a UPNP server?
[20:34] <bioterror> xbmc for example?
[20:34] <KM0201> well, xbmc is a bit overkill for just pics
[20:35] <wxl> can't scrot take a screenshot of your tty session?
[20:35] <bioterror> isnt upnp overkill for pics ;)
[20:35] <bioterror> wxl, no it cannot
[20:35] <bioterror> scrot is a x11 program
[20:35] <KM0201> well, thats a good point
[20:35] <wxl> aw that's a bummer
[20:35] <bioterror> you can use snapscreenshot
[20:35] <KM0201> snapscreenshot?
[20:35] <bioterror> yes
[20:36] <KM0201> not in the repos.
[20:36] <bioterror> http://ricecows.org/snap.png from my desktop computer
[20:37] <KM0201> hmm, i dont' think thats gonna do what i want
[20:37] <KM0201> basically (similar to rhythmbox)... i want to enable a service, open up some graphics app, and it detect the share.
[20:38] <bioterror> use samba and what ever you want?
[20:38] <bioterror> or nfs
[20:38] <KM0201> yeah, i think samba is gonna be the only solution
[20:38] <haemogoblin> brb
[20:40] <KM0201> back in a bit folks, later
[21:14] <haemogoblin> hey
[21:14] <haemogoblin> back
[21:14] <haemogoblin> :)
[21:19] <haemogoblin> anyone know how to disable overscan?
[21:20] <haemogoblin> my desktop has suddenly started stretching itself :/
[21:20] <haemogoblin> so the taskbar vanishes off screen
[21:49] <haemogoblin> anyone around?
[21:51] <wxl> here but i can't help you with that problem aforementioned
[21:51] <wxl> neither of them to be frank
[21:53] <haemogoblin> what the stretched screen?
[21:53] <haemogoblin> it's weird
[21:53] <haemogoblin> i rebooted
[21:54] <haemogoblin> and not the left side of the screen is off screen
[21:54] <haemogoblin> it's there when i boot in to the gui, but then the screen flickers
[21:54] <haemogoblin> and suddenly it all shifts
[21:55] <bioterror> laptop or desktop computer?
[21:56] <haemogoblin> desktop
[21:56] <haemogoblin> i dont know if i've installed something
[21:56] <haemogoblin> but i'm really worried now
[21:56] <haemogoblin> i dont want to reinstall
[21:57] <bioterror> make a xorg.conf with forced resolution?
[21:57] <haemogoblin> i've had to reposition the taskbar down the right of the screen just to i can get to the menu's
[21:57] <haemogoblin> if i put it along the bottom it goes off screen
[21:57] <haemogoblin> So all i have is the clock ect
[21:59] <bioterror> it's 1am and I made today ~12h workday
[21:59] <bioterror> so I dont have much patience to guide
[22:00] <haemogoblin> oh well reinstall i guess
[22:00] <haemogoblin> :(
[22:00] <bioterror> stop lxdm
[22:00] <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure
[22:00] <bioterror> sudo mv org.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:00] <bioterror> and add
[22:01] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Workarounds#Screen_resolution_is_wrong.2C_no_matter_what_I_do.21.21
[22:01] <bioterror> there's some information
[22:02] <bioterror> so much for the help
[22:13] <haemogoblin> i fixed it
[22:13] <haemogoblin> i reinstalled xorg
[22:13] <haemogoblin> :)
[22:13] <haemogoblin> thanks for the help tho
[22:13] <haemogoblin> just wanted to come on and thank you, now i'm of to bed
[22:13] <haemogoblin> laters
[22:24] <silverlightning> hi
[22:27] <silverlightning> I reinstalled lubuntu
[22:27] <silverlightning> made a mess of packages
[22:28] <silverlightning> but now I have no sound
[22:28] <silverlightning> I have checked Alsamixer
[22:28] <silverlightning> all parameters are on full
[22:29] <bioterror> and nothing is muted?
[22:30] <silverlightning> several of them are MM and a few 00
[22:30] <silverlightning> I cannot change the setting
[22:30] <silverlightning> I have tried highlighting and press tab or enter
[22:32] <silverlightning> I always have so daft problems
[22:32] <silverlightning> everything is checked, stuff is on
[22:32] <bioterror> M changes them muted or not-muted
[22:32] <silverlightning> I have beep when bios boot
[22:32] <silverlightning> aha
[22:33] <wxl> beep != sound
[22:33] <bioterror> meep meep
[22:34] <bioterror> remember to alsactl -f save, when you have it fixed
[22:34] <bioterror> with SUDO POWERS!
[22:35] <silverlightning> thanks
[22:35] <silverlightning> !!
[22:35] <silverlightning> ; )
[22:35] <silverlightning> working
[22:41] <silverlightning> hmm
[22:55] <silverlightning> anyone clever with terminal and apt-get?
[23:58] <wxl> shhh the baby's sleeping