[00:10] <raj>  GUYS i HAVE finally completed my AUDIO FIX post on the forums. if any of you are having problems with the sound. follow the steps in this link: you can thank me later :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8789064   3 STEPS are provided try them and see if any works for you:)
[00:13] <raj> hey guys what do you use instead of gedit in xubuntu?
[00:14] <charlie-tca> mousepad
[03:26] <leming> can i pull a serial number out of my OS...this computer has no serial nuymber on it?
[03:26] <leming> all stickers gone?
[03:30] <EndlessNameless> why would someone ask a question, wait 2 minutes and then part the channel?
[03:30] <EndlessNameless> makes no sense
[03:32] <raevol> EndlessNameless: some people don't use IRC much, they don't understand how it works
[03:34] <EndlessNameless> ahh yeah, i suppose so. still strikes me as kind of impatient.
[03:35]  * genii does a sudo lshw -C system | grep serial:
[04:07] <Balsaq> good evening Legends of The Code...
[07:34] <Evet> how to change xfce's default file manager?
[07:43] <gil> How do I figure out a version of a package in a Terminal?
[07:45] <Sysi-> aptitude show $package
[07:46] <Gil_> Thanks a lot.
[10:08] <Balsaq> what id the terminal command, which will tell me the serial number of my computer?
[10:08] <Balsaq> id=is*
[10:10] <knome> Balsaq, serial number?
[10:11] <Balsaq> hey
[10:11] <Balsaq> a girl want me to do soemthing to her computer...gateway wants to know the serial number...it has none on the case or in the case?
[10:12] <Balsaq> so i wonder if a terminal command would reveal it
[10:12] <Balsaq> now someone telle me: dmidecode
[10:12] <Balsaq> hmmm maybe it will work
[10:12] <bazhang> didn't someone in ##linux just suggest something?
[10:12] <Balsaq> that is what i just said!
[10:13] <Balsaq> 05:12
[10:13] <Balsaq> i asked it in 2 places
[10:13] <Sysi>  sudo lshw -C system | grep serial:
[10:13] <bazhang> perhaps if you explained the 'something' you want to do, it would be more helpful
[10:13] <Sysi> someone asked here earlier :)
[10:13] <Balsaq> thank you Sysi
[10:14] <Balsaq> that is different than the person suggsted in linux, it will be nice 2 have 2 chances
[10:17] <Balsaq> bazhang: what i want to do is learn how to retrieve a serial number when there is no visible one on the computer case. i think betweeen the 2 answers i got, i will be able to retrieve the serial number.
[10:18] <bazhang> Balsaq, why would you need it is the question
[10:18] <Balsaq> becasue she has asked to to do a complete reinstallation and i cannot locate the correct drivers from gateway unless i give them a serial number.
[10:27] <Balsaq> well... thank you all for taking interest in this question.
[11:33] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hello, it is me again. Installed xubuntu successfully on a bit ancient machine, 600MHz, 256RAM, 10GB HDD 5400. However, there isn't seem to be Bulgarian BDS keyboard layout, just two phonetics. BDS is present in ubuntu and kubuntu however. Ideas?
[11:35] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Could changing keyboard type (i. e. US, US International, etc.) affect available layouts?
[11:36] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Hmph, quite quiet today :)
[11:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Um, anyone?
[11:41] <Kangarooo> just try something changing. try changing layouts try adding language
[11:42] <Kangarooo> [BG]ZloboMiR: i think ading language will help. left click top panlel add new items
[11:42] <Kangarooo> Keyboard layouts
[11:43] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ok, just a moment, the machine in ? is already deployed on the first floor :)
[11:43] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Ah, the gadjet you mean
[11:43] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Added it
[11:44] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And from there selected Ctrl+Shift as key for changing
[11:44] <[BG]ZloboMiR> But it is still only phonetic
[11:44] <Kangarooo> then go in its properties (left click icon properties)
[11:44] <Kangarooo> what? gadjet? maybe in ur language its gadgjed
[11:45] <Kangarooo> add language
[11:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> just a moment
[11:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> will try chat from there..
[11:47] <Kangarooo> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot634.php [BG]ZloboMiR
[11:50] <lubka> Hello, it is me, Zlobi
[11:51] <lubka> Start over pls
[11:51] <TheSheep> lubka: pardon?
[11:52] <lubka> Kangarooo, was about to explain about adding kbd layout :)
[11:52] <lubka> I am [BG]Zlobomir, this is the PC in ?
[11:55] <lubka> So, I am clicking on the flag, Properties, Add, there is no BDS under Bulgaria, just two phonetics
[11:56] <lubka> xubuntu , forgot to mention
[11:56] <lubka> xubuntu 9.10, forgot numlock
[11:57] <Kangarooo> for numloc to alway be on on start install numlockx or numlocx
[12:00] <lubka> this is minor :)
[12:00] <lubka> Letś fix BDS
[12:00] <Kangarooo> whats BDS?
[12:01] <lubka> BDS = Bulgarian National Standart.It is alternative kbd layout, widely used
[12:01] <lubka> I can give you the map
[12:02] <Kangarooo> no no i dont know how to fix something :)
[12:02] <Kangarooo> i know only bug reporting for now
[12:02] <Kangarooo> post bug to launchpad
[12:03] <lubka> Say, if in BG phonetic С is on S key, in BDS S is on I (right to U) key
[12:04] <lubka> Well, this is not a bug, I would call it mising function
[12:04] <lubka> Do you have ubuntu or kubuntu around?
[12:04] <lubka> You can check the Bulgarian layouts there
[12:05] <lubka> Or can I edit sone conf file?
[12:05] <lubka> Which, where?
[12:06] <bazhang> lubka, have you asked in #ubuntu-bg ?
[12:07] <lubka> Но, гоод идеа :)
[12:07] <lubka> 10ь
[12:07] <lubka> good idea :)
[12:07] <bazhang> np
[12:07] <lubka> 10x and bye
[12:09] <lubka> I just founded #xubuntu-bg :)
[12:09] <lubka> no one there
[12:10] <bazhang> 'founded' ?
[12:11] <lubka> made the channel ;)
[12:11] <bazhang> you'd need the Ubuntu irc council approval for that
[12:11] <lubka> No, I mean there is not much helpthere
[12:21] <kora> hi, i'm using karmic and i tried to remove the gtk menus in the windows.  i tried to put "export GTK_MODULES=globalmenu-gnome" in my bashrc, zshrc and profile, after logoff/reboot the menus still are there. where would be the place to put this so it works?
[12:25] <lubka> kora, if I understand right, you installed KDE over Gnome and want to remove Gnome
[12:25] <lubka> There is not an automated way for this afaik
[12:26] <deathcannon> here's the wiki if this is what you meant?
[12:26] <deathcannon> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE
[12:26] <bazhang> also !purekde
[12:27] <lubka> good that there is a list already :)
[12:28] <kora> lubka: no, i only have xfce. what i want is to set the environment variable before xfce is loaded. this variable removes all menu bars from any gtk windows
[12:28] <kora> it is required for xfce-globalmenu plugin to work
[12:30] <deathcannon> http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/wiki/FAQ
[12:31] <deathcannon> check the 10th entry
[12:31] <kora> that crashes my xfce
[12:31] <kora> i tried that
[12:32] <kora> i had a setup on 9.04 where i put the export line in my .profile
[12:32] <kora> this worked
[12:32] <deathcannon> hmm, odd
[12:32] <kora> but it seems to not work on 9.10 anymore (don't ask me why)
[12:33] <kora> *rebooting
[12:41] <lubka> All: regarding BDS, fixed. It is just not very user-friendly to select just Bulgaria to have it. I was opening it as a menu :)
[12:49] <lubka> bye and thanks to all for help
[13:07] <Kangarooo> omfg. another bug.
[13:08] <jarnos> My removable drive is not automounted anymore, even if set to be.
[13:10] <Kangarooo> i installed chrome since theres 1px firefox bug- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034
[13:10] <Kangarooo> but ithought the pidgin doesnt understand witch is default browser so i made bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/531325
[13:10] <Kangarooo> but actually i just opened about window of keyboard layout plugin and clicked button Heres more plugins. and it also opened in firefox..
[13:10] <Kangarooo> so not pidgin doesnt understands witch is default but whole xubuntu doesnt understands
[13:15] <deathcannon> did you try going through settings->preferred applications and setting it there?
[13:16] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+bug/531325
[13:16] <Kangarooo> deathcannon: chrome on 1st start asked do i want it to be default and i put that.
[13:17] <Kangarooo> as in bug is written yes i checked prefered apps and chrome is checked there
[13:17] <mr_pouit> then that's a pidgin bug
[13:18] <Kangarooo> no couse in xubuntu programm. wtf.. ive already wrote
[13:18] <mr_pouit> yeah, so that's a pidgin but because it doesn't care of xfce's preferences
[13:18] <Kangarooo> ive clicked keyboard layout about window. theres button Other plugins awailable
[13:18] <Kangarooo> ive clciked it and again in ff
[13:19] <Kangarooo> so its maybe also a pidgin problem but definatly a xubuntu problem
[13:19] <mr_pouit> did you try to close & reopen your session first?
[13:19] <Kangarooo> xubuntu also doesnt care for its preferences. yes i restarted pc
[13:20] <deathcannon> try removing ff then?
[13:20] <mr_pouit> and check which browser is by default at the system level: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[13:20] <Kangarooo> im gonna still need it. thats not a solution
[13:22] <Kangarooo> There are 2 choices for the alternative x-www-browser (providing /usr/bin/x-www-browser).  Selection    Path                    Priority   Status-----------------------------------------------------------* 0            /usr/bin/firefox-3.5     40        auto mode  1            /usr/bin/firefox-3.5     40        manual mode 2            /usr/bin/google-chrome   35        manual mode Press enter to keep the current choice[*], or type selection number:
[13:23] <mr_pouit> then select the one you want
[13:24] <Kangarooo> then write in istallation that xubuntu is unable to understand whats set in settings
[13:24] <deathcannon> you can just temporarely remove ff to make troubleshooting easier
[13:24] <Kangarooo> no better then write in installation that it doesnt works. dont suggest to everyone to do theese commands to make chrome default.
[13:25] <Kangarooo> im ok with not using special commands but someking of bug there is and a solution needs to come with next update
[13:25] <deathcannon> sorry, i for one ca't understand  what you are saying
[13:27] <Kangarooo> what would u do if 100 peolpe now comes in channel and asks about this same problem? again give this command to set it manually? there are already 100 people who just happen not to be in this channel. so a bug needs to be removed
[13:27] <deathcannon> well, it works for me
[13:28] <mr_pouit> same here
[13:28] <knome> Kangarooo, it's a bug in pidgin, not xubuntu.
[13:28] <mr_pouit> it doesn't mean there's no bug
[13:28] <bazhang> a bug with chrome?
[13:29] <Kangarooo> 5 days ago i installed xubuntu for 4 friends. i can also go to their computers and do the same thing again. install chrome add as default open link.
[13:29] <bazhang> chrome is not part of xubuntu, is it?
[13:29] <mr_pouit> it not even part of the repositories (only in lucid)
[13:29] <Kangarooo> knome: if u read then ull see that i opened also a link from keyboard plugin about window. its a xubuntu bug
[13:29] <mr_pouit> *it's
[13:29] <bazhang> Kangarooo, you are using lucid?
[13:29] <Kangarooo> 9.10
[13:30] <bazhang> Kangarooo, and how was chrome installed?
[13:30] <Kangarooo> from http://www.google.com/chrome
[13:31] <bazhang> that's not a supported installation afaik
[13:31] <Kangarooo> wait ill give screenshot what else i clicked so no one again says its pidgin only bug.
[13:32] <mr_pouit> anyway, if you want, file a bug for your keyboard layout about window, but add all info needed to reproduce it
[13:32] <bazhang> !bug > Kangarooo
[13:32] <Kangarooo> this is where i clicked and it opened still in FF http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-244.php
[13:34] <Kangarooo> Here more news.. when i clicked open large picture as in here http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-427.php it opened in chrome
[13:35] <Kangarooo> so some programms read one settings other read other settings
[13:37] <Kangarooo> where bugs for xubuntu are filled? Xubuntu does not use Launchpad for bug tracking.
[13:38] <mr_pouit> you need to file bugs against packages, not projects
[13:38] <mr_pouit> so use the link "also affects package", not "also affects projects"
[13:38] <mr_pouit> "also affects distribution" (not packages, it doesn't exist)
[13:39] <Kangarooo> i have only Also affects project Also affects distribution Nominate for releaseA
[13:41] <Kangarooo> ah ok so distribution
[13:42] <Kangarooo> then whats the name of this programm? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-244.php
[13:43] <mr_pouit> probably xfce4-xkb-plugin
[13:48] <Psilocybin_Elf> I'm gonna be installing 9.10 on my bro's laptop later (I'm using 8.10 on mine) but I hear there's issues with Flash in 9.10
[13:48] <Psilocybin_Elf> Should I install 8.10 instead..? Is it more stable?
[13:49] <Sysi> there shouldn't be more problems that in flash overall
[13:49] <Sysi> if you want stable, 8.04 is lts
[13:49] <Sysi> but next, 10.04 will replace it
[13:50] <Sysi> !intrepid
[13:50] <Sysi> lets see how long it's supported
[13:50] <bazhang> 18 months
[13:51] <Kangarooo> yes Psilocybin_Elf i made one bug about flash also. theres link on video. but it doesnt affect youtube. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/530062
[13:51] <Psilocybin_Elf> Ok, that's cool
[13:52] <Psilocybin_Elf> I was just wondering, as long as 9.10 can play YouTube vids ok then it should be cool
[13:52] <Kangarooo> it only affected only one websites flash for now. speedtest
[13:52]  * Psilocybin_Elf nods.
[13:52] <Psilocybin_Elf> How long will 9.10 be supported for?
[13:53] <Kangarooo> if ull experience some more flash flickering find that bug and add video or link
[13:53] <Kangarooo> it doesnt matter. on next realease ill upgrade :)
[13:53] <bazhang> non-lts 18 months
[13:54] <Kangarooo> yes some specific date
[13:54] <Psilocybin_Elf> Ok
[13:54] <Kangarooo> i mean some specific count of months
[13:54] <Psilocybin_Elf> 8.10 is April isn't it?
[13:55] <Kangarooo> 8.04 comes in month nr 4. 8.10 comes in month nr 10
[13:55] <Kangarooo> no month nr 10 is october
[13:56] <Kangarooo> first nr is year in row. second nr is month of comming out. and comming out happens every 6 months
[13:56] <Kangarooo> so only 04 and 10 occurs
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> I should update more regularly
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> But I never get round to it...
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> 8.10 seemed pretty stable to me
[13:57] <Psilocybin_Elf> So I stuck with it
[13:57] <Kangarooo> to me too
[13:58] <Psilocybin_Elf> Had I known 9.10 didn't use PulseAudio I would've upgraded sooner
[13:58] <Psilocybin_Elf> That's what put me off...horror stories from Ubuntu users about PulseAudio
[14:02] <Kangarooo> where horror in there? tell me :)
[14:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> Just ppl saying how horrible Pulse was....clippy sound, etc.
[14:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> No sound output & stuff
[14:05] <Psilocybin_Elf> ALSA works fine for me
[14:11] <Balsaq> good morning Xubuntu...
[14:14] <Kangarooo> its 16L14 in latvia
[14:14] <Kangarooo> and its snowing
[14:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Holy drok!
[14:15] <Psilocybin_Elf> Snowing.......Spring has arrived here
[14:17] <Kangarooo> what is drok?
[14:17] <Kangarooo> where ar u?
[14:19] <Psilocybin_Elf> UK
[14:19] <jarnos> I guess hald was crashed
[14:21] <PimR> I'm runnin
[14:21] <PimR>
[14:22] <Balsaq> i am in the eastern usa...lots of snow here-iam freezing
[14:22] <Balsaq> new england...
[14:23] <PimR> I'm running VMware Version 2.0 (116369), just installed Xubuntu 9.10 amd64, instalation is fine, but installing vmware-tools breaks the whole install
[14:23] <PimR> won't go past log-in screen, as if x11 is broken
[14:26] <PimR> installed gcc and all, but the script can't build some parts of the tool
[14:31] <Balsaq> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-2-0-x-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic.html
[14:36] <PimR> running vmware fusion on mac osx as host
[14:38] <Balsaq> oh sorry
[14:40] <PimR> its ok
[14:40] <PimR> maybe just should upgrade my vmware
[14:44] <Kangarooo> what for u need vmware? maybe if good reason ill use it too
[14:45] <PimR> well I use vmware fusion to run xubuntu in OS X.
[14:47] <mr_pouit> PimR: what's the symptoms? Does it display the blue loading screen with sparkles?
[14:47] <PimR> yes
[14:48] <PimR> and then flickers
[14:48] <PimR> and I get the log in screen again
[14:48] <Kangarooo> ive found a new bug. screensaver not working. and another one- no place to remove screen getting black
[14:48] <deathcannon> PimR: try selecting the other Xfce session when logging in, there might be two
[14:48] <mr_pouit> Kangarooo: gnome-screensaver won't auto-enable in 9.10, that's a known issue
[14:49] <PimR> there are two, both do the same
[14:49] <PimR> and why are there two :P
[14:49] <mr_pouit> PimR: try to disable/uninstall xsplash, and see if it improves (sudo mv /usr/bin/xsplash /usr/bin/xsplash.disabled)
[14:50] <PimR> will do
[14:50] <mr_pouit> PimR: because one is the xfce session, and the other is a symbolic link called default.desktop (used by gdm to know which one is the default session). And in xubuntu, default.desktop points to xfce.desktop.
[14:51] <mr_pouit> (that's why gdm thinks there are two session =])
[14:51] <PimR> ok, but why should one work, and the other not
[14:51] <mr_pouit> both work (or do not work :p)
[14:52] <deathcannon> well, i managed to screw up my session and just logged in with the other and it worked...
[14:53] <PimR> Well it broke when I installed vmware-tools
[14:53] <PimR> but I read on the net that it also occured just by changing desktop resolutions
[14:53] <Kangarooo> where can i change screen after some minutes to go black?
[14:53] <PimR> so gonna check that first
[14:53] <PimR> (gota fresh install)
[14:54] <PimR> yep
[14:54] <PimR> I just broke it with adjusting the resolution
[14:55] <mr_pouit> yeah, so try to disable xsplash
[14:55] <Kangarooo> my friend to who i installed xubuntu 9.10 5 days ago watched movie and he say after a while screen goes black. how to make not that happen while watching video or at least where to remove it?
[14:55] <deathcannon> Kangarooo: specifics?
[14:56] <Kangarooo> hess watching movie and screen goes black after a while. then he moves mouse and he can see movie again
[14:56] <deathcannon> that sounds like the default screensaver to me...
[14:57] <Kangarooo> itryd if its screensaver- put one screen saver to be after 1min. we waited and and screensaver didint came up after 1min
[14:57] <Kangarooo> not after 2min
[14:57] <deathcannon> what player is he using?
[14:59] <PimR> nice that works mr_pouit
[14:59] <PimR> what makes it break?
[15:00] <mr_pouit> xsplash uses the maximum resolution available. In the meantime, xfce4-settings-helper sets the resolution wanted by the user
[15:00] <mr_pouit> something goes wrong between them I guess
[15:00] <Kangarooo> deathcannon: vlc and about 10 to 15 min waiting makes screen black. but not screensaver. screensaver is put matrix and after 1min\
[15:00] <mr_pouit> and X crashes => returns to the login screen
[15:01] <Kangarooo> and screensaver doesnt comes up
[15:01] <Kangarooo> at least not that one. maybe screensaver it is and he cant read somehow seetings put in screensaver settings
[15:02] <Kangarooo> the default screesiver timer if i remember coretly was 5 min yes?
[15:02] <deathcannon> have your tried using another player and other video files?
[15:03] <Kangarooo> other players not tried other videos tryd yes. other videos cant change that.. other player can?
[15:04] <Kangarooo> so is there somwhere possible in some gui settings to change blank screen coming up?
[15:04] <deathcannon> try some other players to see if the same problem still persists
[15:07] <Kangarooo> so its not possible to remove black screen coming up? then its a bug that theres no settings gui
[15:07] <deathcannon> try another player so we can narrow down the problem
[15:07] <Kangarooo> ok ill try other
[15:07] <Kangarooo> then i can give result after 1h couse now is hockey on. ok?
[15:08] <Kangarooo> ah ill just put video to play silent. results in 20min
[15:08] <Kangarooo> so ill try movie player
[15:15] <PimR> well thanx for the fix mr_pouit
[15:15] <PimR> im off
[15:31] <Kangarooo> Latvia 5:3 Russia in hockey woohoo :)
[15:32] <Kangarooo> deathcannon: Tryd movie player and after 10 min not screensaver turns on but monitor turns off
[15:32] <deathcannon> the whole monitor turn off or it goes to standby?
[15:34] <Kangarooo> eeem to standby? whats the difference? well when mouse is moved then monitor turns on again
[15:34] <Kangarooo> im confused
[15:35] <deathcannon> okay, so then it's definitely standby mode. have a look at the power manament settings make sure the sleep timeout is set to never
[15:37] <Kangarooo> i dont have power management settings
[15:38] <Kangarooo> aaah i found it in settings manager
[15:38] <Kangarooo> why its not in just settings.. :( icould already 1h ago change then that
[15:39] <deathcannon> because it's different :)
[15:39] <Kangarooo> ah here is both display sleep and monitor turning off.. i think they should be together with screensaver settings
[15:40] <deathcannon> they are in regular ubuntu
[15:40] <deathcannon> just a little quirk of xubuntu i guess
[15:41] <Kangarooo> well here somthing to make change to :)
[15:41] <Kangarooo> what programming language is neede to know how to change/programm that?
[15:42] <Kangarooo> im sick of full bugs maybe i can somehow start changin something with tutorials
[15:42] <deathcannon> if you really want to change that much you should probably try another distro
[15:43] <Kangarooo> no. lets make xubuntu better
[15:43] <Kangarooo> xubuntu i like
[15:43] <knome> Kangarooo, programming language depends on the app where the bug is at
[15:43] <knome> Kangarooo, do you have any experience in programming?
[15:44] <Kangarooo> html and php only. tryd ruby on rail alittle. my work is more with advertisment project managment
[15:44] <knome> then you probably should try starting with learning maybe some python
[15:44] <knome> and gtk stuff
[15:45] <knome> is there anything PARTICULAR you'd like to fix?
[15:45] <knome> i mean, like some app having many bugs
[15:45] <deathcannon> he doesn't actually mean bugs... more like design features
[15:45] <PimR> yeah
[15:46] <deathcannon> like putting a button for the power managment with the screensaver-settings
[15:46] <knome> right, well is there any particular apps you think need more features?
[15:46] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-xkb-plugin/+bug/531325 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/531262 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530050 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/529422
[15:46] <PimR> wall of text hits you for 100000
[15:46] <deathcannon> o_o
[15:46] <deathcannon> too much pasting
[15:47] <Kangarooo> some of them needs programming some only making changes and making good packages. so packagin ill also need to learn
[15:47] <knome> Kangarooo, https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Developer_Guide for fixing stuff in firefox.
[15:48] <Kangarooo> ok im writing it all down. notes
[15:48] <PimR> gl with that
[15:48] <PimR> byebye
[15:48] <mr_pouit> which ones are packaging issues?
[15:48] <knome> Kangarooo, and what comes for the xfce4-xkb-plugin, you probably should try adding a bug in the xfce bugzilla (bugs.xfce.org) and volunteer in fixing/coding the feature in, and you should get more info on how to start.
[15:49] <mr_pouit> (no, it's not a bug in xfce4-xkb-plugin, please don't)
[15:49] <knome> wishlist?
[15:49] <knome> :P
[15:49] <Kangarooo> bad package becouse it contains bad settings. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/531262 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/530034
[15:50] <mr_pouit> knome: this needs to be reproduced with an official package in lucid before (e.g. not chrome installed from a third party package in karmic)
[15:50] <knome> mr_pouit, aight.
[19:02] <slow-motion> hi
[19:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> hi
[19:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> slow-motion, just ask your ? after hi using coma, saves time :)
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Maybe slow-motion is just saying hi, though, without a question, today.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Hello, [BG]ZloboMiR
[19:16] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Maybe... :)
[19:16] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I thought that a person enters a support channel only for help...
[19:17] <charlie-tca> No, many just idle in here, and say hi / goodbye coming and going
[19:18] <charlie-tca> Although it is impossible to know who is wanting help, too, when all they say is "hi"
[19:18] <[BG]ZloboMiR> that's why I didn't leave :)
[19:18] <charlie-tca> +1 for [BG]ZloboMiR
[19:18] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yep, that was my point
[19:18]  * charlie-tca thinks it is valid, too
[19:19] <[BG]ZloboMiR> If they just come and say hi and look for smo alive... :D
[19:24] <slow-motion> then they kill him and eat him
[19:26] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Exactly ;)
[19:27] <Balsaq> the command: sudo lshw -c system | grep serial:                    failed to produce a serial number on the computer..any ideas?
[19:28] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Balsaq, illegal xfce copy?
[19:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Being more serious, seems like you are trying to start wireless
[19:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And you need newer kernel?
[19:30] <Balsaq> no
[19:30] <Balsaq> just trying to pull a serial number off a mchine that doesnt have one anywhere on the case
[19:31] <Balsaq> also tried this    dmidecode
[19:31] <Balsaq> no good either
[19:31] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this is gm independant, lemme see, I am on KDE
[19:32] <Balsaq> she is on ubuntu
[19:32] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Well, here it jumped shortly over drvices like pci and scsi
[19:32] <[BG]ZloboMiR> And gave a blank row
[19:33] <Balsaq> gave a bunch a nothing...stuff like...no dimm  no dimm   no dimm
[19:33] <[BG]ZloboMiR> pls run sudo lshw -version
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> B.02.14 here
[19:34] <Balsaq> its ubuntu 8.10
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 9.10 kubuntu
[19:34] <Balsaq> i installed it for her myself
[19:34] <Balsaq> ubuntu 8.10
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Well, try sdo apt-get install lshw
[19:34] <[BG]ZloboMiR> should update
[19:36] <Balsaq> one moment please
[19:36] <Balsaq> its not online will that still work
[19:37] <[BG]ZloboMiR> No
[19:37] <[BG]ZloboMiR> It needs I-net connection
[19:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> May I ask why do you need a serial number?
[19:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Seems a bit cosmetic
[19:38] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this is not windows, so it is not required
[19:39] <Balsaq> yes i know
[19:39] <Balsaq> on phone with her
[19:42] <Balsaq> i installed buntu-she cant handle it-and we are trying to reinstall her old windows-but i need to get the drivers and cannot w/o the serial number according to the manufacturer
[19:48] <Balsaq> so that package, is a package that allows me to run a command that will then allow me to see the serial number?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Try looking in the bios?
[20:00] <Balsaq> yes i did
[20:01] <Balsaq> trying to figure out why someone ditched their serial number....
[20:01] <charlie-tca> My system gives me serial: System Serial Number
[20:01] <charlie-tca> It doesn't actually give a number, though
[20:02] <charlie-tca> If it has windows, what about looking at the system screen?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Doesn't it give a serial number?
[20:03] <Balsaq> i wiped out windows when i installed buntu in it
[20:03] <Balsaq> on purpose
[20:03] <Balsaq> it was loaded with virus
[20:03] <Balsaq> she likes the buntu...but misses some stuff she can't fugure out...she cant handle buntu
[20:04] <Balsaq> we were all hoping she would like buntu
[20:06] <Balsaq> but if this issue keeps up much longer...she is gonna be keeping buntu!
[20:06] <Balsaq> which is alright by me!
[20:11] <clutch> what are you trying to do Balsaq?
[20:16] <Balsaq> use linux software or commands to pull aserial number out of a desktop computer...that appears to have lost it
[20:17] <Balsaq> i am trying to determine the serial numbner of a destop computer
[20:18] <Balsaq> someone removed it from the machine case
[20:19] <Balsaq> i installed ubuntu 8.10 in the computer myself a couple months ago
[20:21] <Balsaq> when people at work bring their virus filled boxes to me...i offer buntu....this lady wanted to try it, but in this case, she want to try fighting virus' all over again
[20:21] <clutch> So you need a Windows serial?
[20:22] <clutch> Just call their support line and tell them you lost it.  They'll probably give you one.
[20:22] <Balsaq> nope...i ned the serial number to her computer itself
[20:22] <clutch> I did it once, it was awesome
[20:22] <clutch> Orly...
[20:22] <clutch> Idk then.
[20:22] <Balsaq> no gateway will not tell me the correct dirvers until i give them the serial number ..period amen
[20:23] <Balsaq> and without the correct drivers i will not install windows back inti her computer
[20:23] <Balsaq> whoever took the serial number off it also took the model id off it too
[20:23] <clutch> Wow, that's crazy.  Try googling the make and model along with windows drivers?
[20:23] <clutch> oh wow
[20:23] <clutch> lol
[20:23] <Balsaq> all the model info is also gone
[20:24] <Balsaq> somw jag off really screwed it up
[20:24] <clutch> Somebody doesn't want you to fix that machine, lol.
[20:24] <clutch> Yeah
[20:24] <Balsaq> so its a perfect buntu racer...4.3 gig intel !!!!
[20:24] <Balsaq> 3,4 i mean
[20:24] <clutch> ah
[20:24] <clutch> I was gonna say...
[20:24] <clutch> hly overclock
[20:24] <Balsaq> and a gig of ram...she's nuts, she got a perfect machine now
[20:25] <clutch> And wants to put Windows back on it?
[20:25] <Balsaq> yup
[20:25] <clutch> Does she like sitting in a wheelchair even though she's got perfectly good legs, too?
[20:25] <Balsaq> prolly
[20:25] <clutch> lol
[20:25] <Balsaq> i fixed her up real nuce too
[20:26] <clutch> Idk what to tell you, other than look at pictures on Gateway's site and find the one it looks most like.
[20:26] <Balsaq> cleaned all the tar and nicotene out of it...cat hair...got it runnin like a wild banshee
[20:26] <Balsaq> yeah did that too
[20:26] <clutch> That'd probably be close at least.
[20:26] <Balsaq> the picture get is down to about 6 models
[20:26] <clutch> damn
[20:27] <Balsaq> killin me
[20:27] <clutch> I'm assuming the customer has no idea either
[20:27] <Balsaq> oh yeah
[20:27] <clutch> Naturally.
[20:27] <Balsaq> i told em
[20:27] <Balsaq> i work with her dad
[20:28] <Balsaq> when they gave it to me it could do anyhting...
[20:28] <Balsaq> virus disabled everthing
[20:28] <Balsaq> was hilariuos
[20:28] <clutch> I would just install Windows blind and then try to deal with missing driver issues as they come up.
[20:28] <clutch> Probably be a pain in the ass
[20:28] <clutch> But you might get lucky
[20:28] <Balsaq> yeah i thought of that
[20:29] <Balsaq> reminds me of pzzzin into the wind
[20:29] <clutch> Yeah, a little.
[20:30] <Balsaq> but in the end she'll keep t he buntu she is getting better at it
[20:30] <Balsaq> if need be
[20:30] <clutch> Honestly, its easier than Windows in the first place.
[20:30] <Balsaq> see these people get hung up on one lttle piece of software that doesnt quite work in buntu
[20:30] <Balsaq> and they dont have time to learn
[20:31] <Balsaq> but she was movin right along...and will continue if she has too
[20:31] <clutch> Eh, she'll figure it out.  Point her in the direction of Ubuntu for Dummies or something.  ;)
[20:31] <clutch> gotta run, bbl
[20:32] <Balsaq> ok thanks
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Yes, Balsaq. It is like they think they learned everything in windows in one sessions
[20:32] <Balsaq> yup
[20:33] <Balsaq> of course she lost all her disks for her xp home too
[20:33] <Balsaq> or neve made them at all
[20:33] <Kangarooo> so what will happen with that xubuntu screensaver will it work in june?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> xscreensaver should work, gnome-screensaver probably won't
[20:34] <mr_pouit> deinstreplace gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver in karmic, and it'll work
[20:34] <mr_pouit> s/deinst//
[20:35] <Kangarooo> xfce will make it or who?
[20:35] <Kangarooo> noooo heres fix released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/411350
[20:35] <mr_pouit> not, gnome-screensaver won't be automatically removed on upgrades
[20:35] <charlie-tca> According to the gnome developers, gnome-screensaver is designed to work with gnome desktop only
[20:43] <Kangarooo> what tools are u using for launchpad? how u use LP ?
[20:43] <tamran> hello everyone
[20:44] <tamran> does anyone know how to enable "move mouse to corners" expose effect in xfce?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: I use firefox
[20:45] <tamran> changing settings in the compiz settings manager does not seem to take effect
[20:47] <Kangarooo> ok well i know about making in launchpad email if is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>then making in LP email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will still deliver bugs to email and then using labeling to all emails who goes to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will be only LP emails/bugs since only to LP is known that email.
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I don't use email, normally, to respond to any bugs. I open the bug in firefox instead.
[20:48] <tamran> ok, I just did "compiz --replace" which seemed to work
[20:49] <JoshuaL> a user in #ubuntu-nl wants to know how to access a shared folder from a xubuntu machine on a xubuntu machine?
[20:49] <Kangarooo> but to know witch bug has new response best way is email and autolabeling
[20:49] <charlie-tca> JoshuaL: Applications -> System -> Shared folders
[20:50] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: then u go to ur bugs page and open all latest bugs?
[20:50] <charlie-tca> or use fuse or NFS
[20:50] <Kangarooo> to see to witch one theres new response
[20:50] <charlie-tca> I am subscribed to all bugs with Xubuntu in them
[20:50] <Kangarooo> so then how u know when new bug arives?
[20:50] <JoshuaL> thanks :)
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Which generates an email to me everytime one changes
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I also check about 5 lists of new bugs a day
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I am looking at about 100 bugs a day, minimum
[20:51] <Kangarooo> launchpad like wave would be cool
[20:52] <Kangarooo> but who is fixing them? is there any programmers who fixes them? today i already asked what languages should i learn to finaly be at least one who removes bugs.
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Developers fix them, such as mr_pouit and cody-somerville in Xubuntu.
[20:54] <Kangarooo> maybe forgeting about 9.10 and installing 10.04 would be better and reporting bugs to 10.04 would have better responses in bug fixing?
[20:54] <charlie-tca> It depends on where the package is. If a source is Main, then Ubuntu developers fix them. If it is in universe or multiverse, MOTU fixes them
[20:54] <Kangarooo> ah ok.. well im coming to help also :)
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I test the bugs in 10.04 or the next development version, myself
[20:55] <Kangarooo> yes i read ur profiles
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I triage the bugs, which is to make sure there is enough information for the developer to fix the bug
[20:56] <Kangarooo> thats one strange word. i need a googtransalte
[20:56] <charlie-tca> triage?
[20:56] <Kangarooo> yes triage translated for me a sick people diognisting :)
[20:57] <charlie-tca> That is the process to make sure the bug has all the attachments needed, and information present for the developer to not have to ask for more
[20:57] <charlie-tca> Just like a hospital triage is to diagnose illness and try to get enough information for the doctor to work on the sickness
[20:58] <charlie-tca> If I did the triage right, the developer does not have to ask for more information from the bug reporter. He just fixes the bug.
[20:59] <Bytesunfish> I have an issue. My apache and ventrilo servers accessible. Apache not even when browsing local host on the server machine. They are both fresh installations. What can I do to check out what might be going on? Can anybody give me some direction?
[20:59] <Bytesunfish> inaccessible**
[21:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Bytesunfish, what is the error you have in browser window?
[21:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Have you checked for conflicting ports?
[21:02] <Bytesunfish> Can't establish a connection to the server at <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:02] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Are you sure that the services are actually running?
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: this is one page I use: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/UsingDevelopmentReleases
[21:02] <[BG]ZloboMiR> <IP_ADDRESS> is localhost
[21:02] <Bytesunfish> Right
[21:02] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: this is another one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[21:02] <charlie-tca> and all the pages they tell you about...
[21:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Umm, check for anorher application on port 80
[21:03] <Bytesunfish> using netstat?
[21:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo netstat -tupl
[21:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ports are in oreder
[21:04] <Bytesunfish> Nothing shows up for eighty
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> so even apache is not running
[21:04] <Bytesunfish> 3784 has the ventrilo server
[21:04] <Bytesunfish> but its not accessible on the lan
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo /etc/init.d/spache2 start
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> afaicr
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[21:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> typo
[21:05] <knome> just as a sidenote: http://open.knome.fi/2010/03/03/new-ubuntu-branding/ + http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1991
[21:05] <Bytesunfish> apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using <IP_ADDRESS> for ServerName
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> This is ok
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> does it says ok?
[21:05] <Bytesunfish> Yes
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I have the same error and my serv is fine
[21:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Try now
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> Wow... I feel foolish..
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> It does indeed work
[21:06] <[BG]ZloboMiR> it happens :)
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> Okay...
[21:06] <Bytesunfish> Any ideas on the ventrilo issue not being accessible?
[21:06] <[BG]ZloboMiR> A PC reboot should have fixed it also, but we are not working on Win :D
[21:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> No, not using ventrillo
[21:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> It was some voice?
[21:07] <Bytesunfish> Yes
[21:07] <Bytesunfish> it's a voice chatroom kinda application
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> very nifty
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Aha, for gamers
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> Precisely
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Like teamspeak
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> Exactly
[21:08] <slow-motion> bye
[21:08] <Bytesunfish> So with apache, it should start every time the system reboots right?
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, this guy is just polite... :D
[21:08] <[BG]ZloboMiR> 2:0 for me
[21:09] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Well, what errors about ventrilo, some logs?
[21:09] <Bytesunfish> Very cool
[21:09] <Bytesunfish> Well originally it was saying that it couldn't bind to the TCP socket
[21:09] <Bytesunfish> But I found that to be simply because the service was already running
[21:09] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, all init.d are short of initial daemons I think
[21:10] <[BG]ZloboMiR> At every reboot they load the important sh*t
[21:10] <[BG]ZloboMiR> If not happening, check that apache2 has adequate permissions
[21:11] <[BG]ZloboMiR> read write execute will work, tho some security guru will kill me if here
[21:11] <Bytesunfish> How do you set permissions for apache
[21:12] <Bytesunfish> is it just 'chmod 777' or something similar?
[21:12] <[BG]ZloboMiR> right click on it > Properties, but you have to be root
[21:12] <[BG]ZloboMiR> My way: sudo thunar (dolphin) /etc/init.d/
[21:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or sudo chmod NO path/file
[21:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> see chmod -help
[21:13] <[BG]ZloboMiR> afaicr sudo chmod 775 /etc/init.d/apache2
[21:13] <Bytesunfish> Okay
[21:14] <[BG]ZloboMiR> just careful
[21:14] <Bytesunfish> What is the 'afaicr'?
[21:14] <[BG]ZloboMiR> as far as i can remember
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> my acronim, I admit
[21:15] <Bytesunfish> Okay. That seemed to do the trick
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> nice
[21:15] <Bytesunfish> Thank you very much for your help.
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> when it does the trick it just doesn't return anything
[21:15] <[BG]ZloboMiR> yw
[21:16] <Bytesunfish> Yes, that is what happened
[21:16] <Bytesunfish> Unfortunately my lunch break never seems to be quite long enough and I need to get back to the grindstone. Thanks again for your help.  Nothing ! Anybody got any ideas ?
[21:23] <knome> faron, have you pressed f5 on the desktop?
[21:24] <faron> nop should I ?
[21:24] <knome> you could try. the desktop might not be updated for some reason
[21:24] <faron> hmmmm,okay
[21:25] <charlie-tca> You could also open the desktop folder in thunar and create the folder
[21:26] <faron> ahhhhhhh,I knew there was another way to do it.I just did the F5 thing & desktop kind of like flashed at me but no new folders yet.........gonna go try
[21:27] <faron> well,first wat still isn't working
[21:30] <faron> tried to create folder in thunar..........won't let me....I type in the name of the folder & the word "create" is greyed out
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> maybe you have to be root
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or sudo
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I mean start thunar via terminal
[21:30] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo thunar
[21:31] <[BG]ZloboMiR> not much logic however
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Is it in your own /home ?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> You should not have to be root if you own the Desktop
[21:34] <faron> the word "create is still grey
[21:35] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: there is also a news feed where all new bugs show up, it gets about 1000 new bugs a day. Do you want it?
[21:35] <knome> faron, open terminal, and at your home dir (should open at it), type 'ls -l' and paste the line with "Desktop"
[21:36] <Kangarooo> ok ill use it from tomorow. since im now diging up designers to make new themes for loco webs similar to next ubuntu branding
[21:36] <faron> Does anybody have any idea what's going on ? desktop won't let me create a folder
[21:36] <knome> faron, see my reply
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: okay, all this does is give the new bugs filed in launchpad: http://feeds.launchpad.net/ubuntu/latest-bugs.atom
[21:39] <faron> I'm sorry I must be comnpletely lost..............
[21:39] <knome> faron, open terminal, okay? :)
[21:39] <faron> yes
[21:40] <faron> I have closed & now reopened term
[21:42] <faron> did I lose you Knome
[21:42] <faron> ?
[21:42] <knome> faron, oh, sorry
[21:42] <knome> faron, now run 'ls -l'
[21:42] <faron> aha !
[21:42] <knome> faron, and paste me the line with "Desktop"
[21:43] <faron> ahhhhhhhh that's what you mean
[21:43] <faron> I didn't understand that part
[21:43] <faron> hold on
[21:44] <faron>  Desktop
[21:44] <faron> drwxr-xr-x  2 bobby bobby  4096 2010-02-25 20:59 Templates
[21:44] <jarnos> Can anyone tell when support for USB device  0fd9:0011 is added in linux kernel that is used in ubuntu?
[21:45] <[BG]ZloboMiR> jarnos, kernels are updated even between releases, so try more often
[21:46] <faron> Knome ?
[21:46] <knome> faron, yeh, sorry
[21:46] <faron> that's ok
[21:46] <knome> faron, can you pastebin the complete output?
[21:46] <knome> !pastebin | faron
[21:48] <faron> complete out put is... Desktop
[21:48] <faron> drwxr-xr-x  2 bobby bobby  4096 2010-02-25 20:59 Templates
[21:48] <faron> knom
[21:49] <faron> oops knome
[21:49] <knome> no, that's the templates line
[21:49] <faron> that's all that came out
[21:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> give him a ready chown command :P
[21:49] <[BG]ZloboMiR> should help
[21:49] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, :P
[21:50] <[BG]ZloboMiR> If he has the pass
[21:50] <knome> faron, okay, try 'sudo chown bobby:bobby Desktop'
[21:50] <faron> Ohhhh man  am I lost !
[21:50] <faron> pass ?
[21:50] <faron> okay knome
[21:50] <[BG]ZloboMiR> pass=password, paste his row starting with sudo in terminal, no "
[21:51] <faron> uh oh.......
[21:52] <faron> I got nothing !
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this is fine
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> probably worked
[21:52] <faron> it asked for pass & then nothing
[21:52] <Kangarooo> ok bye till tomorow
[21:52] <faron> see ya kangaroo
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Unlike windows, linux screams out on errors, to save time
[21:52] <[BG]ZloboMiR> bye Kangarooo
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> this nothing is ok
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> it did his job
[21:53] <faron> okay.... wassss nxt ?
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> try to create the folder
[21:53] <faron> should I try to make a folder on desk now ?
[21:53] <[BG]ZloboMiR> ya
[21:53] <faron> okay
[21:54] <knome> sorry for getting lost now and then :)
[21:54] <knome> have a few discussions + stuff going on
[21:55] <faron> doessn't look good...... went to desk right clicked clicked on create folder typed in name of folder clicked create & nothing !
[21:55] <faron> that's okay buddy
[21:55] <[BG]ZloboMiR> You are on xubuntu, sure?
[21:55] <knome> faron, okay, open thunar and navigate to "/home/bobby/Desktop"
[21:56] <knome> faron, and try to create the folder there
[21:56] <faron> okay......... yes Xubuntu
[21:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> knome, not working still
[21:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Maybe owner still lacks permissions
[21:56] <[BG]ZloboMiR> spell out a chmod correctly pls
[21:57] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, please feel free to do that yourself.
[21:57] <faron> try to create folder once I've navigated to desk in thunar ?
[21:57] <knome> faron, yes.
[21:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> knome, I am not so good
[21:57] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Not mocking at you
[21:58] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, ;) np
[21:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> sudo chmod 777 /home/bobby/Desktop bobby
[21:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or swap path and bobby if error
[21:58] <knome> [BG]ZloboMiR, it definitely should NOT be 777, though
[21:58] <faron> nope."create folder still greyed out knome
[21:58] <[BG]ZloboMiR> see?
[21:59] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I know when I am risking smo's security
[22:00] <faron> uh ohhhhhh....... maybe I can't use "/" in folder name ?
[22:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> However not so sick as the ubuntu guys
[22:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Yes, you can't
[22:00] <knome> that's correct. no / allowed
[22:00] <faron> soon as I type in "/"  the word "create" goes grey
[22:00] <[BG]ZloboMiR> * No, you can't
[22:00] <knome> faron, you can use \ though :)
[22:00] <faron> hmmmmm............
[22:00] <knome> (that's what i do pretty much)
[22:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> and maybe even / on another layout
[22:01] <[BG]ZloboMiR> say Bulgarian :P
[22:02] <faron> thats great........
[22:02] <faron> I could swear I used to be able to use "/"
[22:02] <faron> well thanks alot everybody
[22:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> in a previous version?
[22:03] <faron> thank you very much mr knome
[22:03] <[BG]ZloboMiR> faron, yw
[22:03] <faron> so where's everybody at ?
[22:03] <knome> faron, np. enjoy xubuntu :)
[22:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> I guess the OS is just running very smooth
[22:04] <faron> sometimes I do knome.now I have to figure out why my memory use is up so high
[22:04] <[BG]ZloboMiR> Because you clever?
[22:04] <knome> faron, you can use apps like the taskmanager or 'top' to find out
[22:04] <faron> yeah ! that must be it
[22:04] <faron> ha ha
[22:05]  * charlie-tca thinks firefox and gnome system-monitor
[22:05] <[BG]ZloboMiR> or bugged skype
[22:05] <faron> knome do you mean type "top" in a term ?
[22:06] <knome> yes, that would be it :)
[22:06] <faron> heh heh
[22:06] <knome> faron, you can also install htop, which is somewhat better version of top
[22:06] <faron> i installed a feew things last night to try out......don't have FF open
[22:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> is there some good appy to monitor pc temperature?
[22:07] <[BG]ZloboMiR> not much luck in building conky
[22:09] <faron> wow doesn't seem to be much using the mem but my little mem monitor I have on panel says 186 of 248 used
[22:09] <knome> charlie-tca, wouldn't that ^ be gnome system monitor?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> That should be about right. Xubuntu should use close to 192
[22:10] <charlie-tca> sure, it can be, knome
[22:10] <knome> my xubuntu is using 712 ;)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> The actual app is gnome-system-monitor
[22:11] <faron> usually when I do a fresh boot I'm only at around 130 at highest
[22:11] <knome> well, what matters in the end is the load average.
[22:11] <faron> I can use FF for awhile until mem use gets real high then I close & reopen & mem use sometimes goes down as low as 72
[22:11] <knome> 186 from 248 is pretty much.
[22:13] <faron> this time though when I reopened FF mem use was stil way up there & that's with out even opening FF...........
[22:14] <faron> probably has sojmething to do with those new programs I installed last night


[00:41] <Basketball> why is compiz window rules not working
[14:00] <jaimed> Hello anyone has this problem in which you get no login screen with "Stopping User Manager for UID 121..." after upgrading to kernel linux-signed-image-4.8.0-44-generic:amd64 ?
[14:00] <jaimed> no nvidia driver
[15:49] <filyforasec> guys
[15:49] <filyforasec> how to set gnome top panel?
[15:49] <filyforasec> i want to do soem customize
[15:49] <filyforasec> HELLO


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[00:42] <dashua> kwwii: Do you need any help with Karmic's theme or are things going to remain pretty much status quo until 10.04?
[00:42] <dashua> I'd be more than happy to hack around in my free time. :)
[07:04] <macvr> guys... has anyone seen this?  http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/06/13-things-to-get-excited-for-in-ubuntu.html
[07:05] <macvr> there is a lot of hype about the new theme... which should be nipped in the bug... otherwise a lot of disappointed souls :(
[07:06] <macvr> the origin is mostly from Marks's comment that a new theme/color will be used in Karmic, which i dont think is gonna happen till karmic+1
[07:11] <kwwii> macvr: although nobody said it directly it was understood that a new theme would come but there is not going to be a new theme for karmic
[07:12] <kwwii> we are working on the basis for new theming but we want to get it right
[07:12] <kwwii> so the planning took longer than expected
[07:14] <macvr> kwwii: actually , Mark has said there will be a new color they "might" use in karmic...  i too have read this some where, but not able to find the link... but also mark has said on the wiki irc interview log that it might be karmic+1 , but this second change doesnt seem to have reached many...
[07:15] <macvr> kwwii: maybe you could blog about it?
[07:16] <macvr> let me see if i can search my history, for the links... :)
[07:19] <kwwii> macvr: well, mark said it would happen and then took that back in another post so it is confusing
[07:20] <kwwii> also, I have been working on a new theme myself...so maybe there will be something different in karmic but it will not be default
[07:20] <macvr> maybe someone cold clear it up :) , we dont want to disappoint anyone,do we ;P
[07:20] <macvr> could^
[07:20] <macvr> oh!
[07:21] <macvr> kwwii: links for the theme? so that i could test it out?
[07:22] <kwwii> at this point it is little more than pictures
[07:22] <kwwii> but I have a good idea how I am going to make it
[07:22] <macvr> :)
[08:41] <darkmatter> as long as it's not wood grain we won't have to kill ya
[11:56] <thorwil> already: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners
[12:07] <SiDi> you didnt upload the svg ?
[12:09] <thorwil> SiDi: the guy who put up that page didn't think of adding the attachment. the text is just from last time. good thing you notice :)
[12:10] <SiDi> i see :D
[12:13]  * thorwil decides to quickly adjust the template
[12:26] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/KarmicCountdownBanners?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=countdown_09-10_template.svg
[12:26] <thorwil> hooray for cloned copies!
[15:13] <macvr> thorwil: so it was your banner they used for jaunty... i liked that one... was nice :)
[15:40] <thorwil> macvr: thanks :)  the last 2, even
[15:43] <macvr> oh... i particular like the last one... it was a "kinda" futuristic design :)
[15:45] <thorwil> i already started to think about the next one. i wonder if i could pull off something with photography. though that is bound to be time consuming
[15:46] <macvr> i hope your energy is directed more towards a new background ... its used more than a 30 day banner
[15:47] <thorwil> yes, but the countdown banners are great fun and i have a very high chance of being picked again, totally unlike the background situation
[15:47] <macvr> :P
[15:51] <macvr> thorwil: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-4%20-%20File%20Browser.png <<<what is the icon label for the mime below?
[15:52] <macvr> i'm just not able to find it!
[15:52] <thorwil> macvr: no clue
[15:53] <macvr> thorwil: do you like that behavior? it is the mime which shows , during the wait time for the preview to load
[15:53] <macvr> i'm thinking of editing one for breathe
[15:54] <thorwil> macvr: i rarely get to see that. i think it's fine
[15:55] <macvr> me too... i had a tought ime getting that screenshot :P... but while videos are loading the preview it shows for a bit longer... so i feel the transparent appearance gives it a incomplete feel
[15:55] <macvr> tough^
[16:13] <macvr> found it /usr/share/icons/gnome/.../status/gnome-fs-loading-icon :)
[16:14] <thorwil> :)
[18:05] <macvr> thorwil: have you seen madsRh's branding mail? doesnt it seem a bit too loud?
[18:06] <macvr> i thought of sending a comment about it , but didnt ...
[18:23] <thorwil> macvr: well, it's not exactly elegant to plaster ubuntu branding all over the place
[18:25] <macvr> thats true... but isnt the branding being considered or is it a proposal? also instead of the gnome logo ubuntu's logo wouldnt hurt...but what do you think is wrong with that card?
[18:26] <macvr> thorwil: i didnt like the dark blue, it kinda hurt my eyes :( , felt the blue from the gnome was more pleasant
[18:27] <thorwil> macvr: i didn't look that closely. sometimes i decide to just not care
[18:27] <macvr> :P
[18:28]  * macvr hopes thorwil cares a little bit more about ubuntu :P
[18:28] <thorwil> macvr: pay me and i would ;p
[18:29] <macvr> i vote for thorwil being inducted into canonical
[18:29] <macvr> thorwil: i think SABDFL will pay more than me
[18:29] <macvr> :P
[18:31] <thorwil> macvr: already tried that route
[18:32] <macvr> thorwil: ah... well their loss :/
[18:40] <SiDi> the cards dont need SPECIFIC branding | they just need to look decent enough for "end user" to dare clicking them :)
[18:41] <macvr> ^ +1
[18:42] <macvr> SiDi: well as Scott  pointed out... ayatana runs the show in a lot of things
[18:46] <SiDi> ayatana has grown so big in the past weeks that i can barely follow now
[18:46] <SiDi> ill try to cross-read that whole update-manager essay tonight and resume it in a wiki page
[18:47] <SiDi> (i hope noone did yet)
[18:49] <macvr> thorwil: inkscape question: i find that when copying between 2 svg images , if i open the svgs separately , i cannot copy paste among each other, but if i open the second svg from the menu of the first svg, i'm able to copy paste , is this the intended behavior or am i doing something wrong?
[18:50] <thorwil> macvr: inkscape is a little broken regarding copy-paste. i usually use Import
[18:50] <macvr> oh... ok... i'v never tried import, will try it... :)
[18:52] <macvr> thorwil: i totally forgot... did you check the 2nd version of the emblem unreadable...? i made it symmetrical , does it look better now?
[18:55] <thorwil> macvr: the angles in the 1st look better. so if could combine similar angles with symmetry, that would be best
[18:56] <macvr> yeah i like the first one too...
[18:56] <macvr> thorwil: both are symmetrical, you can cut them in any plane
[18:57] <macvr> i mean vertical and hori :P
[18:59] <thorwil> macvr: why did you imply it wasn't, then?
[19:00] <macvr> maybe you forgot... the first version i had done , i took it down , you said that the X didnt look  symm ,
[19:00] <macvr> thats y


[17:51] <lindenle> I/j #packer
[21:22] <anotheral> i'd asked on tuesday about an AMI that won't populate ssh keys
[21:22] <anotheral> ~ubuntu has an empty authorized_keys file in the AMI, and it's not getting filled out when I launch an instance
[21:22] <anotheral> here's the log entry:
[21:22] <anotheral> Nov 20 21:15:41 ip-10-10-4-181 [CLOUDINIT] __init__.py[DEBUG]: handling ssh-import-id with freq=None and args=[]
[21:22] <anotheral> nothing after it
[21:31] <anotheral> full log is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9132258/
[21:32] <anotheral> and ec2metadata has the correct keys
[21:53] <sauce> which AMI? 12.04?
[21:54] <sauce> the cloud-init on the 12.04 is so old, mostly nothing works, so i basically use runcmd echo a ton.  "echo mydata >> /home/ubuntu/.ssh/authorized_keys" for example
[21:56] <anotheral> sauce: yeah, 12.04
[21:56] <anotheral> ok, that helps a bunch
[21:56] <sauce> thats your problem
[21:56] <anotheral> at least i'm not crazy
[21:56] <sauce> whatever ssh module you're using won't work
[21:56] <anotheral> guess i get to tell my users we're upgrading :-D
[21:57] <sauce> well before you do that, check out how 14.04 AMIs behave. i have no experience with 14.04 yet
[22:00] <anotheral> what I'm trying to do is just extend the base AMI with some company-specific stuff
[22:00] <sauce> oh. so take 12.04 and upgrade the cloud-init
[22:01] <sauce> then do your stuff
[22:01] <sauce> then AMI it


[02:16] <mj8741> Hi all: just installed Edubuntu - getting this upon startup: 15.264138 nForce2_smbus 0000:00:0a.1: Error probing SMB1.  computer seems to work ok though.  any ideas?
[02:33] <mj8741> ok, nobody knows about his one... guess I'll figure it out...
[20:56] <Feynman> Can someone point me towards a guide to whitelisting websites for an edubuntu box?
[20:58]  * Feynman is entirely inexperienced
[21:10] <Lns> Feynman: I don't thnk there is a built-in content filter in Edubuntu, is there?
[21:10] <Feynman> Oh.  That would be good news.
[21:10] <Lns> You can probably just install DansGuardian on it though!
[21:11] <Lns> Feynman: is this a standalone PC or on a network with a bunch of other systems?
[21:11] <Feynman> Standalone.
[21:11] <Feynman> I just want to make a box my kid sister can use, and get off of the computers we need to watch her on.
[21:12] <alkisg> Adblock also works for some cases...
[21:13] <Lns> Might wanna look at the results here, too: http://www.google.com/search?q=firefox+whitelist+addon&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a
[21:17] <Lns> hrmm, /me thinks a simple add-on to Firefox would be a good edition to Edubuntu default installation.. http://procon.mozdev.org/doc/help-en.htm looks nice
[22:40]  * alkisg didn't even remember to ask if there was a meeting... :)
[22:41] <dgroos> Right!  I had planned on it today but...


[09:43] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:36] <lazyPower> o/
[14:31] <icey> hey lazyPower
[14:31] <lazyPower> hey icey
[16:37] <ChinnoDog> Hi peeps
[18:01] <lazyPower> whattup chinno
[18:35] <ChinnoDog> Work. Lots of work.
[19:23] <lazyPower> them feels


 I found a useful infographic
 http://brendangregg.com/Perf/freebsd_observability_tools.png
 Hector - I still cannot believe we got Chris and @ahoneybun to eat grasshopper tacos last week
[00:28] <floridagram-bot> <Hector Arista> Lol
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZx-LJH5J_I
 @KMyers @AdamOutler http://hackaday.com/2016/01/13/cheap-smartwatch-teardown/ Look like fun?
 If you could custom code them you could have tiny wireless "badges" you could stick onto anything X)
 looks like fun
 those are two different items though.  the first one looks like a Samsung Gear Wear.   That's a quad core processor.
 Oh yeah the first one was just silly
 But then I noticed amazon had ridiculously cheap smartwatches
 and my hacking senses tingled
 Here's the teardown https://www.sodnpoo.com/posts.xml/u8plus_smart_watch_quick_teardown_and_uart.xml
 I had to post that.
 @KMyers
 Haha.. I swear it was me doing backups
 It's cool.  Somebody's got to back up the internet.
 http://imgur.com/a/xSiE7
 Google Calendar?
 yep
 @AdamOutler @KMyers If you know any project where someone has taken the GT08 the  U8 or the DZ09 watches and managed to get linux running on them- or anything open source really I'd love to know. These watches are ~10usd, have wifi, screens, bluetooth, I mean dang!
 @RazPi https://asteroidos.org/
 @RazPi, I am not aware of anything
 @RazPi do you know the processor?  That's the first place to start.  Get the Chipset and find the ancestry to the kernel.org
 @AdamOutler CPU: MTK6261D, 533 MHz
 http://hackaday.com/2016/01/13/cheap-smartwatch-teardown/
 http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/08/14/sony-announces-new-android-auto-head-unit-dvd-player-xav-ax200/


[07:27] <Unit193> canthus13: I know it's yet another pen testing distro based on Ubuntu, but have you seen http://www.backbox.org/ ?
[16:11]  * Derath-Srvr sighs
[16:18] <Derath-Srvr> Paultag: removing yourself?
[16:26] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: yessir. I figure I've done all I can do, and I've tried to make the transition an easy one - since I'm both no longer in-state, and cleaning up my memberships, I figured I'd quietly remove myself :)
[16:26] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[16:26] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: I'll still be here on IRC :)
[16:26] <Derath-Srvr> np man
[16:26] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: how's OLF plotting?
[16:27]  * Derath-Srvr shrugs, I've been pretty hands off other than getting the booth registered and paid for...
[16:27] <paultag> gotcha
[16:27] <Derath-Srvr> Had to cancel my hotel room... finances not working out for me to stay fri/sat nights
[16:28] <paultag> that will happen
[16:28] <paultag> last year the timing was perfect
[16:28] <paultag> I stayed over and got trashed with the other freetards
[16:28] <paultag> 'twas a good day
[16:28] <Derath-Srvr> lol last year I didn't have the money to stay at the hotel either...
[16:28] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[16:29] <Derath-Srvr> Although I did receive an offer to crash with someone... need to reply back to that one... still don't have the money to even split a room...
[16:29] <paultag> Derath-Srvr: how's that teaching gig?
[16:30] <Derath-Srvr> Haven't had a class for the last two quarters... nothing available in my time slots...
[16:30] <Derath-Srvr> brb...
[16:43] <Derath-Srvr> back
[17:00] <thafreak> Afternoon Ohio
[17:10] <Derath-Srvr> Sup freak
[17:24]  * canthus13 yawns.
[17:26] <canthus13> blargh.  I need a different job. :/
[17:27]  * canthus13 still needs to figure out where to stay for linuxfest.
[17:27] <canthus13> We're *not* driving back and forth from toledo... :/
[17:38] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[17:38] <Derath-Srvr> Why not? I will be from Dayton
[18:16] <canthus13> Gas is more expensive than a hotel room. :/
[18:16]  * canthus13 ponders the possibility of camping.
[19:21] <paultag> canthus13: Hahahaahahahahaha
[19:21] <paultag> canthus13: you should!!!
[20:02] <canthus13> paultag: I may...
[20:28] <Unit193> Cheri703: Congrats on being an Ubuntu Member!
[20:28] <Cheri703> thanks!
[20:31] <jrgifford> Cheri703, congrats!
[20:31] <Unit193> I didn't even know you had a meeting today :P
[20:32] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[20:33] <Unit193> She is now an Ubuntu Member!
[20:33] <Derath-Srvr> Cool!!!
[20:34] <Unit193> I was actually for this next guy :P
[20:45] <jacob> now how did I miss that, congrats, Cheri703!
[20:53] <thafreak> congrats Cheri703
[20:53] <thafreak> !
[20:53] <thafreak> !!
[20:53] <thafreak> !!!
[20:53] <thafreak> !!!!
[20:54] <Unit193> We all seemed to miss it ;P
[20:54] <jrgifford> Unit193, I didn't know it until you mentioned it.  :P
[22:05] <jacob> gilbert: I may not have this disk kiosk thing ready by OLF. I'll try, but no guarantees. In the meantime, I've posted my current source here: https://github.com/jpeddicord/kisok
[22:06] <Unit193> It'll have lubuntu too I would assume ;)
[22:06] <jacob> well, it will burn/flash any disc you throw at it. that is, if it gets finished. ;)
[22:06] <Unit193> Hope it does as the ML made it sound cool
[22:07] <jacob> i'm going to try to give this a go again this week, but a) i don't have a CD drive to test, b) i'm still moving in to my apt
[22:08] <Unit193> appt?
[22:08] <jacob> yes
[22:08] <jacob> well, house, but renting
[22:16] <gilbert> jacob: i would help but i have to finish preparing for my candidacy exam, which is on friday
[22:17] <jacob> gilbert: that definitely takes priority! good luck


[01:04] <etwarrior> Why does my Firefox occasionally go opaque? Is there something I'm doing wrong? It seems to be when I scroll with my trackpad at times, I am using a White Macbook.
[01:04] <etwarrior> But I am on Xubuntu.
[01:11] <GridCube> etwarrior, opaque?
[01:11] <etwarrior> Yes.
[01:12] <etwarrior> GridCube, yes.
[01:12] <GridCube> etwarrior, are you sure you are not just moving the horizontal scroll over the title bar?
[01:13] <etwarrior> GridCube, that's it!
[01:13] <GridCube> :)
[01:13] <etwarrior> Why does Linux do that GridCube?
[01:13] <GridCube> that makes windows transparent
[01:13] <GridCube> its a feature of xfce
[01:13] <etwarrior> :D
[01:13] <GridCube> you can make any particular window transparent
[01:13] <etwarrior> I kind of like it now that I understand.
[01:14] <GridCube> you used to be able to do that pressing alt-scroll but that now zooms
[01:14] <GridCube> so only people with horizontal scrolls can do that now :(
[01:14] <GridCube> that makes me sad because i loved to be able to do that when watching movies
[01:15] <etwarrior> Well, you can always customize your own xfce, right?
[01:15] <etwarrior> or downgrade.
[01:16] <etwarrior> It's open-source, right GridCube?
[01:16] <GridCube> i can sure, both thing, downgrading is never a good idea
[01:16] <GridCube> P:
[01:17] <etwarrior> Not necessarily GridCube, sometimes updates break things.
[01:17] <GridCube> and configuring myself is not really an option because i just update and it get overwrited
[01:17] <etwarrior> You know?
[01:17] <GridCube> yep
[01:17] <etwarrior> I kind of like xfce, because it's like my Mac OS
[01:17] <etwarrior> But it can also be like Windows. D
[01:17] <etwarrior> :D
[01:17] <GridCube> i like xfce becuase its like xfce, and i like xfce P:
[01:18] <etwarrior> I like many DEs
[01:18] <etwarrior> Xfce is good
[01:18] <etwarrior> LXDE
[01:18] <etwarrior> uhh
[01:18] <etwarrior> I kind of liked GNOME 2
[01:18] <etwarrior> I don't like Gnome
[01:18] <etwarrior> GNOME 2 is now MATE
[01:18] <etwarrior> I guess?
[01:18] <etwarrior> I don't like the bottom bar though.
[01:18] <GridCube> mate is a fork of gnome2
[01:18] <GridCube> remove it
[01:18] <etwarrior> You can?
[01:18] <etwarrior> Hm..
[01:18] <GridCube> sure
[01:18] <GridCube> you can do whatever you want
[01:18] <etwarrior> I'm sticking with my Xubuntu. :D
[01:19] <etwarrior> There's a new project that's unofficial called Ubuntu-MATE, but I like my Xubuntu.
[01:19] <etwarrior> My little mouse with Whiskers. :)
[01:19] <etwarrior> Anybody know why Docky closes occasionally?
[01:20] <GridCube> nope
[01:20] <etwarrior> Is there a #docky channel?
[01:20] <etwarrior> Let's try...
[01:20] <GridCube> probably
[01:21] <etwarrior> GridCube,  looks like it
[01:21] <etwarrior> GridCube, care if I message you?
[01:21] <GridCube> sure
[01:21] <etwarrior> It didn't open a new window...
[01:22] <etwarrior> I guess I have to wait for you to reply.
[01:37] <krytarik> GridCube: For that matter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2228495&p=13044180#post13044180
[01:38] <GridCube> krytarik, that makes sense
[01:38] <GridCube> :)
[01:38] <GridCube> thanks
[01:39] <krytarik> Welcome.
[01:40] <GridCube> :D
[01:40] <GridCube> it works!
[01:40] <AgAu> heh that transparency is pretty cool
[02:32] <Xypher> Hello
[02:32] <Xypher> I need help
[02:33] <Xypher> anyone?
[02:33] <AgAu> just ask your question
[02:34] <Xypher> I have a problem with Python, is this the right place to ask about this?
[02:35] <holstein> Xypher: just ask, friend.. and a volunteer may be a able to help
[02:37] <Xypher> I found that, most of my programs in Python 3 don't work...why this could happen...it run good on python2
[02:38] <holstein> Xypher: run them in python2..
[02:38] <holstein> Xypher: whoever creates the applications may not have made them for python3
[02:38] <Xypher> But, it lack of Unicodes
[02:38] <Xypher> and python 2 will discontinued support in 2020
[02:39] <holstein> Xypher: sure, and we are *not* talking about python2, but, some unmentioned python applications.. if *they* dont support python3, they dont
[02:39] <Xypher> or I just need to convert Python 2 program using 2to3 script?
[02:40] <holstein> Xypher: i have no idea, friend. ask the creators of the application it they intend you to run them in python3, and if so, how
[02:41] <Xypher> Thanks for the advice
[02:41] <Unit193> Xypher: That may work in a few cases, but really just wait for upstream to support it.  Do you have any good reason to try and get all python2 based programs you use to use python3 other than "it's newer"?  2020 is a long way away, and gives application devs plenty of time to do it right™
[02:42] <Xypher> I also don't know how to change higlighting text color from blue to color I want...I'm using 14.01
[02:42] <holstein> Xypher: in what?
[02:42] <holstein> Xypher: are you using 14.10? or 14.04?
[02:43] <Xypher> Xubuntu, 14.04.01 (sorry)
[02:43] <Unit193> Xypher: Open gtk-theme-config.
[02:44] <Xypher> Where I should I find that...
[02:45] <holstein> Xypher: open a terminal, and type "gtk-theme-config"
[02:45] <Xypher> ohh, thx (^^)
[02:46] <Unit193> It's also in the Settings Manager, Theme Config IIRC.
[02:46] <Xypher> ahh...I tried to change the highlight color..but nothing happened
[02:47] <Xypher> highlight text*
[02:47] <Xypher> it's still in same color
[02:48] <Unit193> Some applications will require you to restart as they don't read that on the fly.
[02:48] <holstein> logout and back in should do
[02:48] <Xypher> ah, ok
[02:48] <Xypher> thanks
[02:49] <Xypher> and this is last question from me...Does using Tor is safe?
[02:49] <holstein> Xypher: "safe" is always a matter of opinion
[02:50] <holstein> Xypher: depends on what you want to be safe from, and its more a matter of what you can trust.. which, ideally is realistically nothing
[02:50] <Xypher> Ahh, i heard Tor having some issue with NSA, I can be in NSA watchlist just from using Tor
[02:50] <holstein> i would try a security irc channel, and search around and form an opinion about it
[02:51] <holstein> Xypher: sure. *if* nsa related to safety in any way, that could be relevant
[02:51] <holstein> maybe it does for you, in some way.. you'll have to decide that for yourself through research of facts
[02:52] <Xypher> ahh....ok..then
[02:52] <Xypher> bye and thanks for help.
[03:08] <Tom84> if you type CTRL+L in a terminal it will clear it
[04:07] <_guest_> is there any reason parole media player can no longer play .acc files after updating to 14.04?
[04:08] <holstein> !restricted
[04:09] <holstein> _guest_: if you updated, from 13.10, then, you would need to codec support again
[04:09] <_guest_> ?
[04:09] <holstein> _guest_: you need to add codec support
[04:10] <_guest_> ah ok.  why though? that doesn't make sense
[04:10] <holstein> _guest_: in a terminal, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[04:11] <xangua> _guest_: you would maybe be better with VLC
[04:11] <_guest_> i aready started the install. my question was why would that get removed with the upgrade?
[04:11] <holstein> _guest_: there is a gstreamer plugin for acc... the restricteed extras pack installs more that just acc support
[04:12] <xangua> not that parole is not any good, but last time I tried it it couldn't even open some comercial DVD's, even when I had the gstreamer and libdvdcs installed and totem could
[04:12] <holstein> _guest_: you get stock 14.04.. in many ways
[04:13] <_guest_> holstein, i get that. but thats completely counter intuitive
[06:08] <chettikandathil> xubuntu 14.10. when using the power manager to put the machine on 'suspend' when the lid is closed, there is a problem. the machine goes to suspend. but it wakes up, there is a blank screen (black but backlit screen) for ~10 seconds. then there comes the login screen. after i type the password, the screen goes black. no response from that point. i tried increasing the brightness. only the switch off button works. (maybe it has lo
[06:08] <chettikandathil> gged in, but can't see a thing)
[07:43] <rxubuntu536> off to a good start
[07:44] <rxubuntu536> instlling xubuntu on toshiba lap top no problems so far
[11:02] <Safiyyah> Hi all I have a log in loop.  Every time I enter my password the screen goes black and it goes back to the login screen.  I  am able to access my terminal via ctrl +alt +f1
[11:02] <Safiyyah> Is anyone present to help?
[11:03] <Safiyyah> Please?
[11:10] <cfhowlett> !help | Safiyyah,
[11:11] <Safiyyah> Sorry
[11:12] <Safiyyah> Cfhowlette have you got any ideas?
[11:12] <cfhowlett> Safiyyah, looking ...
[11:13] <cfhowlett> Safiyyah, 14.04???
[11:13] <Safiyyah> Cfhowlette,  I  tried deleting Xauthority,  rebooted and it didn't work,  I also tried reinstalling Xubuntu-default-settings and rebooted also no joy
[11:13] <Safiyyah> Yes 14.04
[11:15] <cfhowlett> Safiyyah, when did you last clear out old kernels?
[11:15] <Safiyyah> Not since the install,  it's a clean install
[11:15] <Safiyyah> I  just copied my files over
[11:16] <cfhowlett> Safiyyah, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2248447&page=2&s=0f75a56aa43cb403093854a571dd6b7e
[11:18] <Safiyyah> Cfhowlette it's not disk space already check with df - h
[11:20] <cfhowlett> Safiyyah, ask in #ubuntu.  more eyes.
[11:27] <Safiyyah> I  am doing so on ubuntu-uk,  just thought you guys might see something different
[12:57] <littlebit> hi people, I have installed in the additional drivers section my nvidia driver, and now after rebooting I do not have that xubuntu logo with that animated circle anymore. Is there a way how to restore that?
[12:57] <cfhowlett> littlebit, that rather suggests the driver isn't doing its job ...
[12:58] <Pici> Do you still get to the desktop?
[12:58] <cfhowlett> littlebit, also: let's not cross-post.  choose ONE channel
[12:58] <littlebit> Pici: yes i still get the desktop and everything
[12:58] <littlebit> cfhowlett: ok
[12:58] <littlebit> cfhowlett: sry
[12:59] <Pici> I've heard other nvidia users say that they get a greenish screen at boot now, but I'm unsure of a fix or anything.
[12:59] <littlebit> the system is booting normally only that this splashscreen is missing
[13:05] <littlebit> my system has an ion vga from nvidia and I chose the version 331.38(proprietary), maybe that could help
[13:23] <philc> question, on Toshiba NB505 netbook,  still having touchpad problems erratically stops working.  Its standard synaptics pad, have checked fixes and none listed work for more than one reboot.
[13:24] <philc> question, on Toshiba NB505 netbook,  still having touchpad problems erratically stops working.  Its standard synaptics pad, have checked fixes and none listed work for more than one reboot, pad just stopped working again, stuck in page
[13:50] <xubuntu86w> Boa tarde!
[13:52] <xubuntu86w> Estou com um problema ao utilizar este SO, pois ao decorrer algum tempo a tela bloqueia e solicita senha. Mas ao inserir a senha a tela não desbloqueia. Pode me orientar?
[13:52] <ochosi> !po | xubuntu86w
[13:52] <Unit193> :D
[13:52] <ochosi> errm
[13:52] <ochosi> !pt | xubuntu86w
[13:53] <xubuntu86w> Obrigado!
[15:50] <akiva-thinkpad> Ubuntu Q and A going on soon: come join #ubuntu-on-air, and tune into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rODyNKhMqZ8
[16:22] <etwarrior> GridCube, who was it I was supposed to speak to in developer?
[16:23] <GridCube> join #xubuntu-devel
[16:23] <GridCube> and just explain who you are and what you are able to do and what you can do to help
[16:24] <GridCube> again, testing is the thing we always need most and you dont need to be much of a tech expert to do it
[16:24] <etwarrior> Okay, thanks brother.
[16:25] <GridCube> it just needs commitment and time from your part
[16:35] <xubuntu76w> hello, someone know how remove Oracle Java 8?
[16:36] <GridCube> xubuntu76w: did you installed it from a ppa?
[16:36] <GridCube> !info ppapurge
[16:36] <GridCube> !info ppa-purge
[16:36] <GridCube> xubuntu76w: ^
[16:38] <xubuntu76w> so, my system could be damaged?
[16:40] <GridCube> ?
[16:40] <xangua> damaged from what¿
[22:19] <etwarrior> Hey, I made my Xubuntu look more like Windows 7, but how do I fix my notifications so that they fit the bar on the bottom, better?
[22:19] <etwarrior> For instance, Skype, if I click on the icon, it makes it so I have to "scroll" downward to see the rest of  my options.
[22:21] <brainwash> etwarrior: does this happen if you place the panel on the top?
[22:21] <holstein> etwarrior: "skype", basically comes "as-is".. not sure they will allow you to re-work any of the UI elements
[22:22] <brainwash> bug 965953
[22:23] <etwarrior> holstein, brainwash: It doesn't happen when the bar is on the top, only on the bottom.
[22:23] <etwarrior> brainwash,  thanks.
[22:24] <AgAu> having the bar on the top is superior anyway
[22:27] <etwarrior> AgAu, I guess it is with Docky.
[22:27] <AgAu> yeh i use docky
[22:27] <etwarrior> AgAu, still though, I kind of like the Windows 7 look, and fool.,
[22:27] <etwarrior> feel*
[22:29] <etwarrior> Where are the default wallpapers located? I changed it to a custom wallpaper, and now I've lost the file destination... Speaking of which, does anybody know where applications are located? For instance, Firefox browser itself, not the files included with it.
[22:30] <AgAu> /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/
[22:31] <AgAu> .mozilla in your home directory is where your firefox user data is store
[22:32] <etwarrior> Thanks.
[22:33] <etwarrior> What about openvpn, does anyone know exactly the commands to connect, and disconnect from it?
[22:33] <etwarrior> Well
[22:33] <etwarrior> Maybe I should take this to #openvpn if that's a real station
[22:33] <AgAu> well
[22:34] <AgAu> you can just use openvpn through the nertwork manager
[22:34] <AgAu> that's what i do
[22:34] <etwarrior> How do you do that?
[22:34] <AgAu> openvpn network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[22:34] <AgAu> i tihnk you need those packages
[22:35] <AgAu> and you should be able to add open vpn connections through the nm applet
[22:37] <etwarrior> I think I found a way... thanks.
[22:38] <AgAu> k
[22:39] <etwarrior> pptp isn't as good, but I guess I'll just go that route.
[22:41] <etwarrior> brainwash, so in other words, there's not really a fix for the bottom UI bar, bug?
[22:41] <brainwash> etwarrior: I did no read any of the bug comments
[22:41] <etwarrior> Oh, okay.
[22:43] <brainwash> etwarrior: I suggest that you take a look at the linked upstream report
[22:46] <brainwash> it mainly affects the linux mint guys, but no proper fix is available yet
[22:55] <etwarrior> I see... brainwash.