[01:24] <_stink_> if there's a meeting and i'm not here, i vote yes on everything
[01:31] <Gib> Penguicon meeting today had a good turn out. I'm not sure how we dan use that group to help us build a better Ubuntu local. I'm working on MDLUG attendance  . . .
[01:44] <Gib> Penguicon meeting today had a good turn out. I'm not sure how we can use that group to help us build a better Ubuntu local. I'm working on MDLUG attendance  . . .
[01:58] <jrwren> meeting!
[02:00] <cmaloney> Hey folks!
[02:00] <cmaloney> Hey Gib, thanks for that
[02:00] <Gib> Penguicon meeting today had a good turn out. I'm not sure how we can use that group to help us build a better Ubuntu local. I'm working on MDLUG attendance  . . .
[02:01] <cmaloney> Gib: repetition is unncecessary
[02:02] <cmaloney> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-mi/921/detail/
[02:02] <Gib> Penguicon is also looking to build a computer lab for use during Penguicon. I'm thinking of heading that up if I can get some support.  Load Ubuntu on a bunch of computers and let people try it.
[02:02] <cmaloney> That's the agenda for the meeting
[02:02] <cmaloney> Gib: Cool deal.
[02:03] <Gib> Okay, I didn't know if you could see comments entered before you arrive.
[02:03] <cmaloney> I know there was another group that did the lab for Penguicon before
[02:03] <cmaloney> Not sure if they're still interested in doing that or not
[02:04] <Gib> Do we want to work on helping people at penguicon to see Ubuntu and try it out?
[02:05] <Gib> Topic is to verify the group. I know, that you put a lot of work into this group. I'm thinking we need to find people to join in to provide more workers.
[02:06] <cmaloney> Well, I'd like to explain why we didn't pursue re-verification
[02:06] <cmaloney> partly because we don't have sustained contribution
[02:07] <Gib> My time on MDLUG has been proof to me that it takes several people all putting in time for anything to keep going.
[02:07] <cmaloney> and it seems that it takes a "special event" for folks to come out of the wood-work. :)
[02:07] <cmaloney> Part of the reason we don't have a lot of folks to help out is one of the best reasons: they got hired. :)
[02:08] <Gib> Perhaps we can leveage more of the existing events.  Penguicon, and other cons, other clubs . . .
[02:08] <cmaloney> I look at the list of nicks that are Canonical employees and it makes me very happy
[02:09] <cmaloney> Gib: That's a good idea
[02:09] <cmaloney> we already have some presence with Penguicon
[02:09] <cmaloney> I'm looking forward to getting us another release party at Pcon
[02:09] <Gib> Join Ubuntu local - get a job?  Sounds like an interesting advertising claim.
[02:10] <cmaloney> but outside of Penguicon there's not a whole lot of movement in the group
[02:10] <cmaloney> Part of which I attribute to the changing focus of Canonical and Ubuntu writ large
[02:11] <cmaloney> eg: Convergent devices and Cloud-based services
[02:11] <cmaloney> the desktop isn't the happening place anymore
[02:11] <Gib> Okay we have PCON, MUG.  I plan to attend Confusion the weekend of jan 22.  A fall event is Conclavesf.net. Any others?
[02:12] <Gib> Alright, so we move to other interests since the desktop is done?
[02:12] <cmaloney> I don't know
[02:13] <cmaloney> I'm still running Ubuntu
[02:13] <Gib> I still run Ubuntu too.
[02:13] <cmaloney> But that's my perspective on why participation is low
[02:14] <Gib> Yup. We got it as far as it is going to go it seems.
[02:14] <Gib> I certaninly have a long list of interests.  I could move on to a number of other things.
[02:15] <cmaloney> Regardless, I don't see this as the end by any stretch
[02:15] <cmaloney> but merely a course correction
[02:15] <Gib> So, do we talk about convergent devices and cloud services to follow Canonical?
[02:16] <cmaloney> I don't know. that's a question for the loco council
[02:16] <Gib> The've hit the penetration levle that they can do on the desktop.  They have to widen out to other things to keep growing.
[02:18] <Gib> I have a professional interest in convergent devices and cloud services. I'm looking at both of those at work.
[02:18] <cmaloney> cool
[02:19] <Gib> Speaking of which, I have to go to sleep now.  I have $56K worth of equipment that just arrived at work Friday that I need to install.
[02:19] <cmaloney> Have fun!
[02:19] <cmaloney> Hope to see you on Tuesday!
[02:20] <Gib> Ta ta for now.  See ya at Mug on Tuesday night.
[02:20] <Gib> Bye.
[02:21] <cmaloney> ...
[02:21] <Scary_Guy> why just Ubuntu?  why not also a VM and a bunch of other distros, maybe some live CDs too
[02:21] <cmaloney> in what context?
[02:22] <Scary_Guy> computer lab should have multiple flavors of linux if you just want to expose people.  I know many who hate the default unity interface
[02:22] <Scary_Guy> I mean yeah you can change it but how many newbies know that?
[02:22] <cmaloney> True. I think Gib was just looking for an activity for the Ubuntu loco to get involved in
[02:23] <cmaloney> and his current activity is building this lab
[02:23] <Scary_Guy> too bad I got back just after he took off
[02:23] <cmaloney> But yeah, that's something to discuss with him. I think it would be neat to see different distros
[02:24] <cmaloney> I haven't played with much of anything since I picked up Ubuntu
[02:24] <Scary_Guy> well I'm sure you'll run into him before I do.  unless you can point him out on Tuesday assuming you are both there
[02:24] <cmaloney> I think I'll be there
[02:24] <cmaloney> I have a presentation. :)
[02:24] <cmaloney> (Which I'm sort of working on now)
[02:25] <Scary_Guy> awesome, on what?
[02:25] <Scary_Guy> wait, I'll just go look
[02:25] <cmaloney> It's nothing big
[02:25] <cmaloney> More of an aperitif
[02:25] <cmaloney> or a digestif
[02:26] <Scary_Guy> nice, I like it
[02:27] <Scary_Guy> be sure to mention BSD, Apple, Android, damn near every router probably, toasters, etc..
[02:27] <Scary_Guy> cars
[02:27] <cmaloney> heh
[02:27] <Scary_Guy> technically some cars that run linux can have android head units in them, so you can linux while you linux
[02:30] <Scary_Guy> I'm not sure what OnStar runs.  I have a friend who works for them.  I should ask her what OS is in it
[02:31] <cmaloney> Yeah, not sure
[02:31] <cmaloney> I thought my CD player might have Linux on it in my VW, but I think it's QNX
[02:32] <Scary_Guy> meh, any *nix is good *nix
[02:32] <Scary_Guy> afterall it's MUG, not MLG
[02:32] <cmaloney> damn straight
[02:32] <cmaloney> that's part of the reason for the presentation
[02:32] <cmaloney> UNIX won
[02:35] <Scary_Guy> I'll be happier though when mac and win are dead
[02:36] <cmaloney> I have no quarrel with Macintosh save for their stupid patent lawsuits and idiotic Macintosh licensing
[02:36] <cmaloney> They used to have every system 7 and prior disk available for folks to download
[02:36] <cmaloney> no more
[02:36] <cmaloney> so instead I gave money to Cloanto for the Amiga OS
[02:38] <Scary_Guy> I liked them better before the iPod.  then hipsters got on board and everything went south.
[02:39] <cmaloney> Apple was hipster before hipsters knew they were hipsters
[02:39] <cmaloney> the Macintosh looked at home in Starbucks before there was a Starbucks
[02:39] <Scary_Guy> I suppose, I just really hated trying to load anything on windows.    This is a contentless pong.  Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[16:16] <jcastro> lol I hate you
[16:17] <_stink_> haah
[16:17] <greg-g> what do you need lazy person? :)
[16:18] <jrwren> use ping -p to set some payload content :p
[16:19] <greg-g> jcastro: ack
[16:19] <jcastro> greg-g: hey are you still a wikipedian?
[16:27] <cmaloney> jcastro: R40 DVD is awesome
[16:27] <cmaloney> that is all
[16:28] <jcastro> oooh
[16:28] <cmaloney> Geddy's singing is a little rough around the wedges
[16:28] <cmaloney> edges
[16:29] <cmaloney> But something tells me this is the last tour for a while.
[16:29] <cmaloney> if not the last tour
[16:29] <cmaloney> at least until Neil recouperates and has more time with Olivia
[16:29] <greg-g> jcastro: yup
[16:30] <jcastro> greg-g: hey is there like a contrib section or something for mediawiki? We'd like to maintain our charm more in lockstep with upstream
[16:31] <greg-g> git pull master every week? :)
[16:31] <jcastro> no I mean for our code to live
[16:31] <greg-g> oh, extensions
[16:31] <cmaloney> aka: they want to make it your problem. ;)
[16:31] <jcastro> like, is there a place where people collect puppet and chef scripts, etc.
[16:31] <greg-g> oh...
[16:31] <greg-g> not within mediawiki itself
[16:31] <jcastro> right
[16:31] <greg-g> there's projects like MW-Vagrant
[16:32] <greg-g> but yeah, we don't care :)
[16:32] <jcastro> ok so you guys don't have like a forge or something
[16:32] <cmaloney> as evidenced by the MW install instructions. ;)
[16:32] <jcastro> or whatever people call it
[16:33] <greg-g> cmaloney: yes yes :)
[16:33] <greg-g> we're a "HEAD or gtfo" kind of dev team
[16:33] <greg-g> ungenerously
[16:33] <jrwren> nice! I like that.
[16:33] <greg-g> but really, we really care, we just don't have the time to care
[16:34] <cmaloney> greg-g: TOngue was firmly in cheek
[16:37] <jcastro> greg-g: so other than the core wikitech puppet production stuff, everything else just lives on the rest of the internet?
[16:39] <greg-g> everything we care about is in gerrit
[16:39] <greg-g> our gerrit, gerrit.wikimedia.org
[16:39] <greg-g> (migrating to Phabricator for code-review this next year, if all goes well!)
[16:39] <greg-g> but yeah, they'd be a separate project/repo
[16:40] <jcastro> can people apply for project/repos?
[16:40] <greg-g> it'd be an interesting discussion to include them in the mw repo itself
[16:40] <greg-g> yep
[16:40] <jcastro> this is similar to what postgres has, we're doing the same with them
[16:40] <jcastro> greg-g: link me up to some instructions and we'll do it!
[16:44] <greg-g> jcastro: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/New_repositories
[16:45] <jcastro> awesome, thanks dude!
[16:46] <jcastro> greg-g: do you recommend requesting or should I bring it up on a list first?
[16:46] <jcastro> just in case they get all craig and be like "code dumpers!"
[16:46] <greg-g> :)
[16:47] <greg-g> a conversation on-list is never a bad idea, honestly
[16:47] <greg-g> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[16:47] <jcastro> ack, will do so, <3 thanks
[16:47] <greg-g> np
[16:48] <jcastro> out of curiosity, does mediawiki run on php7 yet?
[16:48] <cmaloney> Does anything?
[16:48] <cmaloney> How big is the change?
[16:49] <jcastro> I am debating asking aisrael to do a mediawiki performance benchmark between normal php, hhvm, and php7 for great justice
[16:49] <cmaloney> iirc it was only released last week Thursday
[16:49] <jrwren> that would be sweet!
[16:50] <cmaloney> also: I really, really hate MySQL's laxness
[16:51] <cmaloney> Searches with = are case insensitive
[16:52] <aisrael> jcastro: I wouldn't be opposed to it. I still do plenty of PHP stuff on the side that I could use that kind of testing.
[16:52] <aisrael> jcastro: any progress on finding/suckering someone in to write a php layer?
[16:53] <greg-g> jcastro: no re php7, see the gory details at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118932
[16:54] <greg-g> (that's about min version)
[16:54] <greg-g> re php7: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/maniphest/?statuses=open%28%29&projects=PHID-PROJ-uvzjhw46mbirlh2cho4z#R
[16:59] <jcastro> greg-g: that doesn't look as bad as I was expecting for a large project
[16:59] <jcastro> aisrael: yeah I think we need to not have an apache-php one before I impress anyone
[16:59] <jcastro> aisrael: the dude who started cacti is part of the AA PHP group
[16:59] <jcastro> it was pretty fun, I'm going to go regularly I think
[17:00] <aisrael> jcastro: Nice. How often do they meet, once a month?
[17:00] <jcastro> still deciding on that, sounds like every other month for now
[17:00] <jcastro> http://michigandevs.com/ has a slack channel for them
[17:00] <aisrael> I need to come over a little more regularly
[17:00] <jcastro> I idle in there
[17:00] <cmaloney> Speaking of meetings, MUG meeting tomorrow
[17:01] <jcastro> in #annarborphp
[17:01] <cmaloney> SSL and "Oh the Places UNIX'll go"
[17:01] <jcastro> everytime I see a slack link I actually think of you greg-g
[17:01] <aisrael> Oh good. I like slack more than telegram
[17:01] <greg-g> jcastro: I'm glad, I hope you think "he would hate it"
[17:01] <greg-g> :)
[17:01] <jcastro> I do
[17:01] <cmaloney> hah
[17:01] <cmaloney> That's what I figured.
[17:02] <greg-g> irssi4life
[17:02] <jcastro> when I saw the blog post going around "stop using slack for oss projects" I was like, aha! GREG probably wrote that
[17:02] <cmaloney> I remember seeing that on Identi.ca
[17:03] <jrwren> high 5 greg-g !
[17:03] <jcastro> irssi is weaksauce
[17:03] <jcastro> weechat 4 eva
[17:04] <cmaloney> Weechat fistbump
[17:06] <jcastro> It's sad that slack is so awesome
[17:06] <jcastro> and irc is not fun
[17:06] <cmaloney> IRc is fun
[17:06] <cmaloney> we just don't have emoji and vieo
[17:06] <cmaloney> video
[17:06] <jcastro> or push
[17:06] <jcastro> or persistance. :)
[17:06] <cmaloney> what's push?
[17:06] <cmaloney> Persistence is overrated
[17:06] <cmaloney> We're like Twitter
[17:06] <cmaloney> Ephemeral
[17:06] <cmaloney> fleeting
[17:06] <cmaloney> whoosh, there it goes
[17:07] <cmaloney> Oh, mobile push notifications?
[17:07] <cmaloney> Bah
[17:07] <cmaloney> sit in a ssh channel like a gentleman
[17:07] <cmaloney> ;)
[17:08] <cmaloney> Allow yourself the freedom to disconnect for a while
[17:08] <cmaloney> *om*
[17:08] <cmaloney> IRC: The zen way to communicate
[17:09] <cmaloney> Dammit, Mr. Rumbold from Are You Being Served passed away
[17:09] <cmaloney> There goes the reunion rumors.
[17:12] <jcastro> man guys, I got some ubiquiti gear because I am tired of crappy consumer wifi
[17:12] <jcastro> and it's glorious
[17:34] <cmaloney> heh
[17:35]  * The_Machine shivers
[17:35] <The_Machine> what flavor ubnt gear?
[17:35] <The_Machine> i use it all of the time
[17:35] <cmaloney> Go Enterprise or go home
[17:35]  * The_Machine isn't sure he would call unifi AP enterprise, but it's aiight
[17:36] <The_Machine> so cold in my house dammit
[17:53] <cmaloney> http://www.computerworld.com/article/3012278/microsoft-windows/microsoft-sets-stage-for-massive-windows-10-upgrade-strategy.html
[17:55] <jrwren> i'm about to block update.microsoft.com on my home network.
[17:56] <jrwren> apparently all that spy stuff people complain about in win10 got pushed as updates to win 8 and 7 too.
[17:56] <jrwren> so it doesn't matter if you didn't upgrade to 10. you are getting spied on just teh same.
[17:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's ridiculous
[18:12] <The_Machine> heh
[18:13] <The_Machine> you guys think it's actually identifiable information?
[18:13] <The_Machine> I think they're sending a lot of data
[18:13] <The_Machine> but not traceable in the scary sense of things
[18:13] <greg-g> what makes you think that?
[18:15] <jrwren> i don't care what it is. I demand the ability to turn it all off.
[18:15] <The_Machine> do you demand that ability with your phone as well?
[18:16] <jrwren> There has been no evidence that it is identifiable. My IP address is identifiable, so it is identifiable.
[18:16] <jrwren> Yes, I do demand it of my phone.
[19:01] <cmaloney> And regardless it's yet another breach of trust
[19:02] <jrwren> exactly.
[19:02] <cmaloney> It's basically saying "We understand you don't want Windows 10 for some reason but we don't care"
[19:03] <cmaloney> "Your preference is irrelevant"
[19:03] <cmaloney> And that's unacceptable
[19:03] <cmaloney> What pisses me off is folks think that's OK in the first place
[19:04] <cmaloney> I wouldn't be nearly as pissed if Microsoft said "we need to concentrate on Windows 10 instead of supporting Windows 7 so we want as many folks on Windows 10 as possible"
[19:05] <cmaloney> Renegotiate the agreement
[19:05] <cmaloney> allow me the choice to understand your position
[19:05] <cmaloney> telling me it's for my own good is when I check my fingers, wrists and wallet
[19:05] <The_Machine70x7> good points
[19:07] <cmaloney> And Microsoft is making their "Scroogled" campaign woefully ironic
[19:07] <cmaloney> Apple is demonstrating they care about privacy
[19:08] <cmaloney> Even though it's hurting their image as the "it just works" company
[19:08] <cmaloney> I have to give them credit
[19:09] <cmaloney> I wanted to believe in Nardelli's Microsoft. I think he can still do good things
[19:09] <cmaloney> but Windows 10 is really screwing with my belief.
[19:10] <jrwren> same here.
[19:10] <jrwren> i'll forgive them when the enable posix in all windows versions.
[19:10] <jrwren> them not doing so it stpuid and pointless.
[19:11] <cmaloney> I have a line about Posix in my presentation for tomorrow
[19:11] <cmaloney> something about "what the hell were they thinking"? :)
[19:11] <jrwren> :)
[19:11] <cmaloney> Good to know someone loves it
[19:12] <jrwren> well, not NT posix
[19:12] <jrwren> but the idea of std posix api has worked.
[19:12] <jrwren> varying linux distros, BSDs, other unixes, they all work with same source code largely because of posix.
[19:13] <cmaloney> Well, I blame NT Posix on Microsoft following the letter and not the spirit
[19:13] <jrwren> http://brianreiter.org/2010/08/24/the-sad-history-of-the-microsoft-posix-subsystem/
[19:13] <jrwren> i blame nt posix on them not shipping it.
[19:13] <jrwren> no would coudl ship software based onit because it was only in enterprise windows.
[19:13] <cmaloney> I thought NT was POSIX-compliant?
[19:13] <cmaloney> ah
[19:13] <cmaloney> Shows how much I paid attention
[19:14] <cmaloney> Though I think at this point it's almost like getting mad at them for no longer supporting CORBA
[19:16] <cmaloney> Honestly it's become a UNIX vs Windows world by my reckoning
[19:19] <cmaloney> Apparently I'm about one porch shy of going full-southern
[19:20] <jrwren> i just get angry because nothing works.
[19:20] <jrwren> win7 was the best env I had, but it was lacking so much... so much like actual unix tools.
[19:21] <jrwren> if msft would jsut ship win7 with posix enabled so I could build unix tools on top, without the cygwin stupid layer... it would be a nice OS IMO
[19:21] <cmaloney> heh, and say Dennis Ritchie was right?
[19:21] <cmaloney> Never
[19:22] <jrwren> they could claim best of both worlds.
[19:22] <cmaloney> I think Microsoft would sooner set themselves on fire
[19:22] <jrwren> their VMS roots fused with UNIX roots.
[19:22] <jrwren> stranger things have happened.
[19:22] <cmaloney> http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/DennisRitchie.gif
[19:22] <jrwren> lol


[01:41] <astrodon> Why is there no 3.2.0-24  Complete lowlatency kernel?
[01:41] <astrodon> Do the low latency kernels come out days or weeks after the generic?
[01:47] <len-dt> astrodon, we are still working that out.
[01:52] <astrodon> len-dt, working on the "process" to keep up with the generic ?
[01:56] <astrodon> or this is just normal wait-time to release the lowlatency version and you are working on that?
[05:15] <studio-user292> 1204 is looking great!
[13:58] <MaynardWaters> do any of you guys have lenovo thinkpads? I have a dual boot between vista and ubuntu stdio on my T400.  the screen has gone out and the only indicator light that will turn green is the bluetooth.  I am able to plug it into an external monitor and everything works fine on there, but nothing shows up on the laptop screen, ever.  I am hoping i just need to reseed the screen wires or something like that, anyone have recommendati
[14:04] <ailo> MaynardWaters: I don't know what would cause that (I've had a screen stop working, as well as a keyboard on some laptops - not Lenovo), but seems like if this is likely to happen to your model, there should be info about it on the web
[14:07] <MaynardWaters> ailo: yea Ive done a fair amount of research, and was just looking to discuss possibilities with other people who might have similar moels/problems
[14:09] <ailo> On my machines I think the problem has simply been that something got broken on the MB
[14:09] <ailo> Or, the screen (but to check, I'd have to replace it)
[14:10] <ailo> Maybe because of heat
[15:05] <holstein> i have just plugged monitors in and used them as desktop rigs or whatever
[15:05] <holstein> OR.. ripped the screens off and ran headless servers ;)
[15:20] <MaynardWaters> holstein: ailo its a hunge disappointment, since I had basically just got ubuntu studio all set up and running nicely, yea i had already considered just turning it into a server
[15:21] <holstein> MaynardWaters: plug a monitor into the the side and enjoy :)
[15:22] <holstein> theres a recycler here where you can get monitors for $20.. unless you want a fre CRT :)
[15:22] <holstein> free*
[15:22] <MaynardWaters> yea, i have extra monitors around, its just so sad since I was turning this thinkg into an ideal portable  powerhouse  :(
[15:23] <holstein> eh... get an LCD and its just a little less portable
[15:46] <MrNaz_out> hi all... anyone around?
[15:47] <MrNaz_out> im having trouble getting my dv cam to work in ubuntu, and i've been lead to believe this is THE community for firewire related questions
[15:47] <holstein> MrNaz_out: i would try running "lspci"
[15:47] <holstein> i would want to see that the kernel "sees" the device, and shows its plugged
[15:47] <holstein> i would want to try a few different firewire chipsets ideally
[15:48] <MrNaz_out> i'm running a laptop that has worked with the old firewire stack
[15:48] <holstein> you could be troubleshooting the camera, and have an unsupported firewire chipset
[15:48] <MrNaz_out> its a dell e4300 and i know that the firewire chipset works in the old firewire stack because ive been using this same laptop for a while now
[15:48] <holstein> MrNaz_out: i would try a few different live CD's to see if it "just works"
[15:49] <holstein> i would try something 10.04 based, something 12.04 based, and then maybe try a daily 12.10
[15:49] <MrNaz_out> im also sure that the camera works, i've sampled from it using another dell laptop (different model) which can dvgrab from ti fine
[15:49] <MrNaz_out> whats the procedure for getting a cam to work in the new firewire stack?
[15:49] <holstein> MrNaz_out: should be like this...
[15:49] <holstein> plug it in.. use it
[15:50] <holstein> did the camera work in the old setup?
[15:50] <MrNaz_out> yes
[15:50] <MrNaz_out> and still does
[15:50] <MrNaz_out> i have a laptop running the old setup and the cam works fine with it
[15:50] <holstein> could be the kernel though.. you cant assume its something with the FW
[15:50] <MrNaz_out> well
[15:50] <MrNaz_out> ive tried with debian 6 and ubuntu 12.04
[15:51] <holstein> right.. both having different, newer kernels, as well as FW software
[15:51] <MrNaz_out> im about to install 10.04 on the laptop to see if that works just to rule out some other issue
[15:51] <holstein> MrNaz_out: i would just try them live... save some time
[15:51] <MrNaz_out> hm
[15:51] <MrNaz_out> hmm... i didnt trust that to work btu if you sya so i'll trust you :)
[15:52] <holstein> MrNaz_out: it literally wont hurt to try
[15:52] <MrNaz_out> ok
[15:52] <MrNaz_out> booting 10.04 live now... will report back in 3 minutes (or however long it takes to boot)
[15:53] <holstein> best case, you save install time, and hassle.. worst case, you install from the live CD that didnt "work" for your tests
[15:53] <holstein> MrNaz_out: i need to run
[15:53] <MrNaz_out> thanks btw
[15:53] <holstein> MrNaz_out: if no one is here, you should try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-beginners maybe
[15:54] <holstein> since thats not really ubuntu studio specific, try back here as well though :)
[19:17] <userfriendly> hi guys. having a wee problem with the keyring on ubuntu studio 12.04
[19:17] <userfriendly> when i do something like git clone, i get a warning:
[19:17] <userfriendly> WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-Bml89i/pkcs11: No such file or directory
[19:17] <userfriendly> any ideas?
[19:17] <holstein> looks like theres no such file or directory
[19:18] <holstein> you could put it in place
[19:18] <userfriendly> i also get it when i run
[19:18] <userfriendly> lpstat -r
[19:18] <holstein> could be an issue iwth git
[19:18] <holstein> with*
[19:18] <userfriendly> and lpstat?
[19:18] <userfriendly> :D
[19:18] <userfriendly> and svn?
[19:18] <holstein> userfriendly: could be
[19:18] <holstein> its plausible. is it not?
[19:19] <holstein> anyways, i wont be able to give you an answeer
[19:19] <userfriendly> seems strange that lots of software would have the same issue
[19:19] <holstein> i will only give you troubleshooting advice that you can take or leave
[19:19] <userfriendly> seems rather like it's a problem with the keyring itself
[19:19] <userfriendly> ah well
[19:19] <userfriendly> thought someone here might have come across it
[19:19] <holstein> userfriendly: this is *not* ubuntustudio specific though, so feel free and try #ubuntu
[19:19] <holstein> userfriendly: you are literally the first person to mention it
[19:20] <holstein> userfriendly: have you looked in the forums?
[19:20] <holstein> userfriendly: i would *not* search "ubuntustudio blah"
[19:20] <userfriendly> i've googled, seems it occurs not only on LXDE
[19:20] <userfriendly> yeah
[19:20] <holstein> i would search xubuntu or ubutnu
[19:21] <userfriendly> are you on ubuntu studio just now? if so, just to quickly check, run lpstat -r
[19:21] <holstein> userfriendly: i have only 10.04 installed
[19:21] <userfriendly> ah right :) never mind then
[19:21] <holstein> yup
[19:21] <userfriendly> cheers!
[19:21] <holstein> userfriendly: try ubuntu
[19:21] <holstein> #ubuntu
[19:21] <holstein> its not studio specific
[19:21] <userfriendly> roger
[19:22] <holstein> OR better yet #xubuntu
[20:03] <Unit193> Hey jussi, would you mind changing the topic to indicate 12.04 is out rather than 11.10?
[20:22] <jussi> Unit193: ^^
[20:23] <Unit193> Danke!
[20:23] <holstein> jussi: THANKS!... you could drop the "we dont have a live CD" part too
[20:23] <holstein> at your leisure, of course :)
[20:23] <jussi> holstein: did it change?
[20:24] <holstein> yup... our iso is live now
[20:24] <jussi> ok!
[20:24] <jussi> there we are
[20:24] <holstein> jussi: :)
[20:25] <jussi> wiat, one more thing...
[20:25] <holstein> yeah, i agree with that...
[20:26] <jussi> given its now based on xubuntu, not ubuntu propper
[20:26] <Unit193> Topicdiff. <3
[20:42] <MaynardWaters> has anyone written, or know of good sources for creating a persistent usb flash drive with ubuntu studio on it?
[20:44] <ailo> MaynardWaters: Try Debian or Ubuntu regular wikis
[20:46] <ailo> MaynardWaters: Also, you might want to look for reference on how puredyne was created
[20:46] <holstein> or, just install ubuntustudio onto a flash drive
[20:47] <holstein> put grub there, right on the stick
[20:47] <MaynardWaters> im currently working on my first ubuntu usb drive with persistent storage... I was going to install studio from the repo on to that
[20:48] <holstein> i would just do a normal install
[20:48] <holstein> you get all the perks and none of the hassle
[20:48] <holstein> i dont see the point in live with persistent personally
[20:49] <MaynardWaters> it was the method i found the most info on the web on, ill install directly if this doesnt work well.... thats kinda what I wanted to do from the beginning
[20:49] <ailo> It might be interesting for security reasons, but if a normal install will work on any platform, I guess there's no benefit?
[20:50] <holstein> there was some argument, a valid one... i forget what it was though
[20:50] <holstein> didnt do anything for me... i believe it was security related
[20:51] <MaynardWaters> well ill let you know what I find once i get it working
[20:52] <holstein> i mean, it'll work.... i just prefer a normal install
[20:52] <holstein> normal user, ext filesystem
[20:52] <holstein> all the goodies
[20:53] <holstein> last time i did persistent was 9.10.. then i actually felt a little silly when i just installed to the USB stick ;)
[20:54] <MaynardWaters> will the direct install avoid this casper-rw stuff?
[20:55] <MaynardWaters> i suspect it will
[20:55] <holstein> it'll just install, and boot, and run, and work
[20:55] <MaynardWaters> holstein: can I ask you do google around for a quick sec and offer me a method that looks sound that follows the way you would do it
[20:56] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i would just install.. just use the installer to install to the USB stick
[20:56] <MaynardWaters> ok
[20:56] <holstein> MaynardWaters: it'll look just like normal... just with the USB stick as the destination for the intall and GRUB
[20:57] <MaynardWaters> got ya
[20:58] <holstein> i might use an alternate xubuntu iso, make sure grub either doesnt get installed, or goes where i want it to
[20:59] <MaynardWaters> reason for using xubuntu?
[20:59] <holstein> worst case, you end up with GRUB looking for that USB stick each time you boot, and you have to fix that
[20:59] <holstein> MaynardWaters: xubuntu is closest to ubuntustudio with an alternate iso
[21:00] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i would use that or something minimal
[21:00] <holstein> like, a commandline only install from alternate
[21:00] <MaynardWaters> k


[13:55] <sunny_> hey
[14:04] <highvoltage> hey
[19:12]  * stgraber waves to queuebot
[19:12] <alkisg> ...what does it queue?? :D
[19:12] <stgraber> it notifies on IRC when a package gets into the queue or when a build is available for testing
[19:13] <alkisg> Cool :)
[19:13] <stgraber> it's been running for a while in #ubuntu-release and #ubuntu-testing, but I now added flavour support so it only notifies #edubuntu for Edubuntu stuff
[19:16] <stgraber> oops
[19:16] <stgraber> wrong filter for Edubuntu ;) it was monitoring "core" instead of "edubuntu"
[19:33] <bencer> stgraber: highvoltage do u know the status of auth-client-config and sssd ?
[19:36] <highvoltage> bencer: I used sssd last year and it was working quite well, I didn't need auth-client-config anymore because of it, I'm planning to try it out against edubuntu-server again once we have some sambaness
[19:37] <bencer> ok
[19:37] <bencer> we should have samba ready for next week
[19:37] <bencer> i was examining 2 days ago the things with kernevil, our samba guy
[19:38] <bencer> he needs to change some things from the packaging to our scripts to we can use pristine samba4
[19:38] <bencer> but maybe we could upload everything but zentyal-samba


[10:25] <xnox> mpt: how does the new software updater suppose to show the upgrade to new release?
[10:25] <xnox> mpt: i can't seemed to be able to trigger Raring -> Saucy upgrade at the moment
[13:30] <mpt> xnox, my design for that part has never been implemented, but fwiw, it's at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseUpgrades>
[13:31] <mpt> xnox, the only way I know of to manually trigger it is from the command line
[13:31] <xnox> mpt: well i did screenshots and they are up on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/upgrade
[13:31] <xnox> mpt: but they look aweful =/
[13:36] <mpt> Oh, right, I'd forgotten about the "However, Ubuntu 13.10 is available"
[13:36] <mpt> But yeah, the steps past that haven't been touched in several years
[13:37] <mpt> (since before we had a Design team, probably)


[07:37] <ara> good morning!
[08:29] <alourie> good morning everybody!
[08:32] <ara> morning alourie
[08:33] <alourie> hi ara
[08:33] <alourie> ara: I've read your report. It's great
[08:33] <ara> alourie, thanks :)
[08:34] <alourie> ara: I've been thinking about helping new people, and I think that the new website should play major role in that
[08:35] <ara> alourie, yes, I agree, I am collecting experiences, so I can work on that next cycle
[08:35] <ara> alourie, it would be great if you would help with that
[08:38] <alourie> ara: I'll gladly help with anything needed. I really think we should get QA to a new level
[09:22] <alourie> ara: so just let me know how I can help :-)
[10:56] <ara> morning davmor2ª
[15:24] <zul> is the iso ready?
[15:28] <zul> gah...
[15:30] <hggdh> is it?
[15:38] <charlie-tca> hmm, could be a long week of trying to test. Blew up the cd-rw, today I lost a motherboard... Another good week.
[15:39] <davmor2> charlie-tca: do you go out of your way to harm your machines?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Not really harming them. Breaking them real good, instead.
[15:40] <davmor2> haha
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Maybe they are getting old? (That motherboard was a 866MHz PIII)
[15:41] <charlie-tca> I think I will have to buy some newer than 2001 hardware
[15:41] <hggdh> charlie-tca: there is, I agree, a non-zero chance they are sort of, er, ancient ;-)
[15:41] <charlie-tca> lol
[15:42]  * hggdh looks behind self, and also sees some rather old machines
[15:43]  * charlie-tca still has a PII tester working
[15:43] <hggdh> wow!
[15:44] <hggdh> I gave up on mine many years ago... my old machines are P4's
[15:44] <charlie-tca> old?
[15:45] <charlie-tca> My new machines are a P4 and an athlon 64 single-core
[15:48] <hggdh> uh, perhaps not-so-old, just ~7/8 years...
[15:52] <charlie-tca> huh? You mean my "new" P4 is more than a year old already?
[16:00] <marcavis> hello folks, how would I be able to limit the bandwidth usage for updating to Maverick RC?
[16:01] <marcavis> I've got trickle installed, but it looks like "trickle -d 45 do-release-upgrade -d" doesn't work as do-release-upgrade must be calling something else
[16:07] <mvo> marcavis: there is acquire::http::dl-limit "45"; that you can set in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[16:08] <mvo> marcavis: that applies to all things that uses apt as the downloader (like update-manager, synaptic, apt itself etc)
[16:08] <marcavis> hmm, there is no single apt.conf file, I'll check those in apt.conf.d/ then
[16:10] <marcavis> mvo: hmm, unless I just create that file?
[16:12] <mvo> marcavis: apt.conf.d will work just fine too
[16:13] <marcavis> mvo: okay, thanks! :)
[16:13] <mvo> yw
[16:28] <highvoltage> I'm having a bizarre issue with today's Edubuntu daily build under KVM.   Game on
[16:59] <bladernr> highvoltage:  are you sure that's the right ISO?  they're just now starting to show up on the iso tracker, so the images may not be as fresh as you think.
[17:00] <bladernr> either way, I'd suggest holding off until the edubuntu images show up on the iso tracker then sync them to be sure
[17:09] <kamusin> :D
[17:11] <charlie-tca> I have been attempting to sync mine for 5 1/2 hours already. You want me wait now?
[17:23] <ara> hey guys! ubuntu desktop ready to rock!
[17:25] <kamusin> ara, wohooo!
[17:26] <ara> yes, let the fun begin
[17:28] <highvoltage> bladernr: oops, whatever the last daily build was, I meant :)
[17:28] <bladernr> highvoltage:  yeah, no worries.  Theres plenty of fun now and more coming soon
[17:28] <highvoltage> bladernr: but I guess it could be kvm related, because I had the same happen in a Lucid VM too this morning
[17:29] <bladernr> honestly, I don't use kvm because I never could get them to be stable.  VirtualBox works all the time for me while KVM was mostly fail
[17:31]  * ara syncs desktop i386
[17:31] <ara> (and hopes that cdimage is not overloaded)
[17:32] <highvoltage> bladernr: kvm works great, depending on how you use it and on what
[17:35]  * bladernr really really wishes the dl-ubuntu-test-iso script worked for him :(
[17:39] <skaet> ubuntu alternate has been put up now too...
[17:43] <skaet> ara, bladenr, highvoltage,   looks like the images put down so far, are going to need to be refreshed.
[17:43] <bladernr> skaet:  groan....
[17:43] <bladernr> :-)
[17:44] <skaet> new images should be available in about 1/2 hour..
[17:44]  * bladernr starts: while true; do syncisos.sh; done
[17:44] <bladernr> heh
[17:44] <bladernr> skaet:  ack
[17:44] <skaet> sorry... :(
[17:45] <bladernr> heh.. no worries.  I was wondering if you're enjoying the madness that is release time :-D
[17:45] <charlie-tca> A helpful reminder: QA meeting in 15 minutes in #ubuntu-quality
[17:46]  * bladernr thinks this is the most fun... heh... I can almost hear the dramatic theme music playing in the background... oh, wait... that's my ipod ;-)
[17:46] <highvoltage> skaet: ok
[17:46] <bladernr> skaet:  the no worries was for you, btw...
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody. I thought this was going to be an easy day :-)
[17:46] <highvoltage> despite it being a short cycle it felt quite long, can't wait for maverick to finally be out there :)
[17:54] <bladernr> skaet:  does the respin apply to the server ISOs as well? I've already done two test cases for server
[17:55] <skaet> we need to rebuild the images to get them labeled correctly,  no functional changes expected.
[17:55] <skaet> bladenr: ^^
[17:56] <bladernr> skaet:  roger that :)
[17:56] <skaet> bladernr, cjwatson has the new images built for server, and they'll be up soon.
[17:57] <skaet> bladenr,  they're up now.
[17:57] <bladernr> skaet:  cool. Thanks!
[18:08] <bladernr> anyone remember an issue with encrypted LVM where the text line "Unlocking the disk /dev/disk/by-uuid/FOO" would be repeated for every character typed as you entered the passphrase to decrypt the LVM?
[18:10] <ara> bladernr, yes, let me find it for you
[18:10] <bladernr> cool... I thought I had a duplicate of that one but can't find it now
[18:10] <ara> bladernr, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/566818
[18:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 566818 in plymouth (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[Lucid] cryptsetup passphrase prompt during boot: every character typed repeats the prompt (affects: 12) (dups: 3) (heat: 80)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:11] <bladernr> ara:  thanks! you're awesome
[18:12] <ara> bladernr, the awesomeness comes from firefox's awesome bar :)
[18:13] <bladernr> ara:  that's only a factor in the awesomeness equation ;-) a fair bit of that is natural talent
[18:16] <fader_> Awesomebar is the one thing I miss when I use chrome :/
[19:13]  * charlie-tca grabs the ubuntu alternate images
[20:26] <bladernr> pedro_:  are you doing the 32bit OEM install?
[20:39] <pedro_> bladernr, yes doing it now
[20:40] <bladernr> pedro_:  let me know how that works for you :-) it fails on my 64bit attempt due to a bug fader found with RC
[20:40] <bladernr> I'm just curious if that's only on 64bit or if it's across the board
[20:40] <pedro_> bladernr, what's failing ?
[20:40] <fader_> bladernr: Eh?  What are you testing and which bug?
[20:40] <bladernr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/650703
[20:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 650703 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "OEM config appears to work but user setup is not run after reboot (affects: 2) (heat: 500)" [Undecided,New]
[20:40]  * fader_ is syncing images and will start testing soon.
[20:40] <pedro_> ah ok let me try that since it just finished to install
[20:41] <fader_> I was having some weird issues that nobody else could reproduce, and I thought that was one of them
[20:41] <fader_> Maybe not though
[20:41] <bladernr> it just hit me, so ... you are not alone... or at the very least, you and I fail the same way :-)
[20:44] <fader_> It must be the kilts.
[20:44] <charlie-tca> quadrapassel still fails silently in VBox
[20:55] <pedro_> bladernr, fader_ works fine on the 32bit image
[20:58] <charlie-tca> anyone see a blurry logo on the ubuntu images?
[20:58] <fader_> charlie-tca: At which point?
[20:58] <charlie-tca> starting the installation
[20:58] <charlie-tca> the  splash screen
[20:59] <fader_> Ah, I don't get the nice graphics in vbox
[20:59] <fader_> :/
[20:59]  * charlie-tca needs to know if it is the image or the eyes
[20:59] <charlie-tca> heh, I don't seem to get nice graphics on hardware!
[21:00] <fader_> Hehe
[21:24] <jibel> bladernr, can you comment the lines "loopback loop0 /ubuntu/disks/root.disk" in grub.cfg and try to boot.
[21:25] <jibel> re your comment in the wubi bug ^^
[21:25] <bladernr> jibel:  maybe later... I'll have to recreate again. I've already wiped it so I can do wubi cases from iso.qa
[21:26] <jibel> bladernr, okay, no problem.
[21:27] <bladernr> I saved the grub.cfg file to look at for some reason (not sure why) but after I get the current wubi cases out of the way tonight or tomorrow I'll circle back to that one
[21:43] <jibel> bladernr, Are you able to run wubi.exe from a usb key ? I get the error: Internal error: Cannot copy ù''.exe
[21:54] <bladernr> yeah, I'm just finishing up an install now that was run from usb key
[21:54] <bladernr> 64bit Ubuntu
[21:57] <jibel> Anyone with Windows 7 ?
[21:59] <bladernr> yeah...
[21:59] <bladernr> me
[22:00] <jibel> and you can run wubi ?
[22:04] <bladernr> yep... just did it
[22:04] <bladernr> Win7 64bit ran wubi from the Ubuntu Desktop 64bit ISO put on usb key via usb-creator
[22:06] <jibel> hmm, wubi sucks.
[22:06] <jibel> I'll try on another system.
[22:07] <bladernr> hahaha... it does indeed :-D
[22:07] <bladernr> FWIW, Ive never gotten wubi to work on my netbook (but that's w/ 32bit WinXP)
[22:08] <jibel> the previous version was working on the same hardware.
[22:11] <bladernr> bad usb key or ISO transfer?
[22:13] <jibel> 2 different keys and md5 is correct. This looks like a problem with uninstalling the previous installation.
[22:24] <jibel> haha, restart windows and wubi is happy again.  Windows sucks :D
[22:29] <ara> hey! how's everything going?
[22:31] <bladernr> ara:  it'
[22:31] <bladernr> it's all broken!
[22:31] <bladernr> RESPIN RESPIN RESPIN!!!!
[22:31] <bladernr> ;-P
[22:33] <ara> classic :P
[22:34] <ara> I had an I/O error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/655999
[22:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 655999 in ubuntu "Error input/output when installing in a KVM (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[22:34] <ara> probably a HW issue, but I prefer to report it and have cjwatson, or ev to have a look
[22:35] <bladernr> yeah... I've had no problems with virtualbox... I gave up on KVM because I had too many errors that weren't reproducible in VBox
[22:35] <bladernr> everything mostly is working... I'm failing the OEM cases because oem-config is still broken.
[22:36] <bladernr> jibel is having wubi troubles (or windows troubles) but I'm not (wubi working fine so far)
[22:37] <jibel> ara, that's the same hw which takes 6 hours to upgrade ?
[22:37] <ara> jibel, no, different one
[22:39] <ara> OK, anyway, I am going to bed, I will keep on testing tomorrow morning
[22:40] <ara> have a nice evening all
[22:40] <ara> good nigh
[22:40] <jibel> good night ara
[22:40] <bladernr> just opened a security bug... ;-)
[22:40] <bladernr> sigh... and it'll probably get shot down
[22:42] <bladernr> wheeee! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/656004
[22:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 656004 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity allows for rediculously easy passwords (tried in Kubuntu installer) (affects: 1) (heat: 258)" [Undecided,New]
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Fun!
[22:48] <bladernr> charlie-tca:  yeah...
[22:48] <bladernr> my new password is 'a'
[22:48] <bladernr> shhh... don't tell anyone.
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Wow! Easier to remember that way
[22:51] <fader_> bladernr: Hey, were you seeing the oem-config-prepare error on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[22:51] <bladernr> However, the default policy AFTER installing is still at least somewhat strict.  I tried in shell and gui and was forced to use a minimum of 6 chars
[22:51] <bladernr> fader_:  both
[22:52] <fader_> bladernr: Okay, re-confirmed on kubuntu :(
[22:52] <bladernr> hey fader... ^^^ I found out how I'm going to force a respin this time
[22:52] <bladernr> ;-)
[22:52] <fader_> bladernr: Heh, haven't you done enough of that? :P
[22:53] <bladernr> well, yeah...
[22:54] <fader_> I'm going to try it on 32-bit, pedro_ to the contrary ;)
[23:12] <fader_> Hmm, same thing in 32-bit for me :/
[23:12] <fader_> kubuntu
[23:18] <bladernr> fader_:  oem?
[23:18] <fader_> bladernr: Yep :/
[23:22] <jibel> wubi i386 finally passed. Enough for today, good night all!
[23:25] <bladernr> jibel:  congrats!
[23:25] <bladernr> cheers
[23:26] <charlie-tca> jibel: thanks
[23:32] <bladernr> wow... so d-i allows me to set a single character passphrase for encrypted lvm as well...
[23:32] <bladernr> :(
[23:33] <charlie-tca> heh, my kind of password to remember
[23:34] <fader_> Well, nobody would guess it right off ;)
[23:35] <fader_> "Hmm, pet's name?  No.  Significant Other's Birthday?  No.  Middle name?  No."
[23:35] <fader_> It has that Spaceballs appeal that way.
[23:35] <bladernr> true...  the combination is 1
[23:35] <bladernr> 2
[23:35] <bladernr> 3
[23:35] <bladernr> 4
[23:35] <charlie-tca> That's what I'm thinking too. Does it fail if the first letter entered is right but they type 2 letters?
[23:35] <bladernr> 5
[23:35] <mdeslaur> "Favorite programming language? AHA!"
[23:42] <charlie-tca> So, that OEM bug is limited to Desktop images?
[23:42] <charlie-tca> my alternate 64 OEM worked
[23:43] <fader_> I was using alternates
[23:44] <fader_> charlie-tca: Were you testing on real hardware or VMs?
[23:44] <charlie-tca> VBox
[23:44] <charlie-tca> I have a hardware 386 running now
[23:45] <fader_> Bah... I've angered the Technology Gods or something
[23:45]  * fader_ kicks his computer.
[23:45] <fader_> Ow, that hurt :(
[23:45] <charlie-tca> Hm, maybe the changed motherboard made mine behave?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> I can not do the ltsp tests
[23:48] <fader_> charlie-tca: Out of curiosity, is your host system on maverick?
[23:48] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:48] <fader_> There goes that theory then :)
[23:49] <charlie-tca> Host = Xubuntu maverick 64bit; test = Ubuntu Alternate 64 in VBox
[23:50] <fader_> So weird... no idea why it's hitting bladernr and me but not you
[23:53] <charlie-tca> I'm good?
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is the kilts?
[23:54] <fader_> Heheh a little from column A, a little from column B...
[23:54] <fader_> bladernr: d-i on xubuntu prompts me for weak passwords on encrypted LVM
[23:55]  * charlie-tca makes note to self; borrow a skirt for UDS - no, that should be "kilt"
[23:57] <charlie-tca> fader_: my 386 hardware oem is rebooting the first time
[23:57] <fader_> charlie-tca: I don't know whether to root for it working or against it :P
[23:58] <charlie-tca> heh :-)
[23:58] <charlie-tca> If 64bit worked, this one should ;-)


[00:05] <elky> so who wants to deal with LiDaR
[00:09] <cprofitt> what channel?
[15:33] <bazhang> nothingspecial, was there anything you needed help with?
[18:09] <Jordan_U> I think t3hl33tb34t in #ubuntu might be a troll.
[19:56] <Pici> !dns =~ s/10/12/
[20:45] <Pici> updated.
[22:18] <frowzy> Hey hey hey!
[22:18] <frowzy> What's the Polite & Decent response to #ubuntu users constantly suggesting I switch to a console application because "console is better" whenever I ask for help with a GUI app?
[22:22] <IdleOne> frowzy: thank them for the suggestion and ask if they can help with what you actually need.
[22:23] <frowzy> Okay. I will try that.
[22:23] <IdleOne> if there is nothing else please don't idle in this channel.
[22:24] <frowzy> Okay!


[12:24] <sander_m> Thanks for your help guys. I have to reboot now
[03:21] <alex_> hello
[03:21] <alex_> kernel is web cam
[03:21] <alex_> anubis tipphon(lidl silvercrest)
[09:30] <BenC> zul_: ping?
[12:24] <zul_> BenC: pong
[12:25] <BenC> zul_: when a bug is fixed in edgy, and filed against dapper, just add a new dist target for linux-source-2.6.17, and mark that closed, rather than closing the 2.6.15 target
[12:25] <zul_> ok
[12:25] <BenC> thanks
[12:25] <zul_> sorry about that
[12:25] <BenC> no biggy
[12:25] <Keybuk> ~.
[12:25] <Keybuk> err
[12:25] <BenC> just makes it easier to track
[01:11] <zul_> way too early in the morning
[03:32] <fritsch> hi, i try to load it821x during boot up, because my root filesystem etc. everything is attached on disks to this controller
[03:32] <fritsch> added it in /etc/mkinitrd/modules and recreated the initrd, but does not come up and in the grub shell module is not added
[03:36] <fritsch> anyone?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> the new nvidia drivers are out as of yesterday but before edgy can use them it look like the kernel modules have to be changed
[03:51] <fabbione> changed?
[03:52] <fabbione> what do you mean?
[03:52] <zul> oh hey fabbione
[03:52] <fabbione> hey zul
[03:52] <gnomefreak> fabbione: i wish i knew but the kernel modules are mismatch thats all it gives me
[03:53] <fabbione> gnomefreak: ok. you didn't install them properly
[03:53] <fabbione> that's all
[03:53] <gnomefreak> the .sh installer tries to correct them and says it does it but with stock modules or the ones the .sh gives you dont work
[03:54] <fabbione> nvidia requires update of both kernel modules and userland
[03:54] <gnomefreak> fabbione: i installed them as normal (without sudo nvidia-glx-config enable) since it doesnt have that file
[03:54] <fabbione> you need to de-install our packages if you want to use their .sh
[03:54] <fabbione> and you are messing up stuff this way
[03:54] <gnomefreak> de install the nvidia-glx package
[03:54] <fabbione> because their .sh doesn't know that X11R6 doesn't exists anymore
[03:54] <gnomefreak> did that before downloading from nvidia
[03:55] <fabbione> also linux-restricted modules
[03:55] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[03:55] <gnomefreak> i will try it see what happens ty
[09:56] <zul> later


[05:00] <Geoffrey2> libindicate-0.2.3 make is failing for me
[05:01] <Geoffrey2> the first burp I encounter is the following... make[3]: Circular s-enum-types-h <- indicate-enum-types.h dependency dropped.
[05:02] <Geoffrey2> then in complains the package indicate can't be found, and proceeds to shoot numerous syntax errors at me


[04:33] <rodney77> hello, i hope this isn't too off-topic, but I am running normal ubuntu on a convertable laptop that has a touchscreen and no touchpad. I'm trying to replicate right-click, middle-click, click-drag and mousewheel functionality on my touchscreen and I'm wondering how to do this
[04:33] <rodney77> I am running 14.04
[04:36] <rodney77> also I should mention that I always have my keyboard out, so I can use key combinations e.g. touch+win key. I am just ditching the mouse
[09:16] <matv2> is this the right place to ask about clickstore uploads gone bad?
[09:17] <matv2> I did an update of an app of mine that got aproved fine but hasn't got published
[09:17] <matv2> cant figure out why  that is
[09:33] <popey> matv2: url to app?
[09:33] <popey> or app name
[13:13] <brunch875> aha! the mesa drivers now work for my video card, which enabled me to check out unity
[20:24] <mangas> hello guys, I was trying to get a bq m10 but it's proving hard, does anyone know a vendor/distributor that still has some stock? Is this a good time to buy one? It looks strange that the stock is gone everywhere.