[00:00] <Ken8521_> arctic ape
[00:00] <yofel> ^^
[00:00] <MJEvans> I know there's a list of proper names... Arctic Ape I could buy as being a valid combination from that list.
[00:00] <MJEvans> Zebra may be on the list too, but not the other word.  Maybe Zainy (sp) or something...
[00:01] <bjsnider> there are no apes in the arctic
[00:01] <MJEvans> So what
[00:01] <Ken8521_> i don't think they plan the names very far in advance
[00:01] <MJEvans> Welly ship one up on a boat
[00:01] <virtuald> unless you count humans as apes
[00:01] <Ken8521_> they've not come up w/ a name for 11.04 yet
[00:01] <MJEvans> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[00:01] <Spreadsheet_> So it would be n
[00:02] <Spreadsheet_> Nauseous Narwhal anyone?
[00:02] <MJEvans> Zany Zebra
[00:02] <MJEvans> Zen Zebu
[00:03] <bjsnider> i hope they name a release after steve monkey boy ballmer
[00:03] <MJEvans> Zesty Zebrafish
[00:03] <MJEvans> It's not monkey
[00:03] <MJEvans> Mavrick Meerkat according to the page
[00:03] <Ken8521_> it's maverick meerkat
[00:04] <MJEvans> So...
[00:04] <virtuald> bjsnider: would that be the crazy chimp release?
[00:04] <MJEvans> freenode/#ubuntu+1(+Ccfntz #ubuntu-unregged) << Does this mean I can stay in here?
[00:04] <Ken8521_> virtuald, lol
[00:04] <Ken8521_> that's a ways off
[00:04] <virtuald> 8]
[00:04] <Ken8521_> for N, im going to propse Nifty Newt
[00:05] <bjsnider> virtuald, yeah they could use ballmer's picture for it
[00:05] <virtuald> hehe
[00:05] <h4writer> wow, 10.04 is realy nice :D
[00:05]  * virtuald plays developers.wav
[00:05] <Ken8521_> Nefarious Nightingale
[00:05] <MJEvans> Ken8521_: that sounds like some kind of Spy's codename
[00:06] <MJEvans> (In other words, awesome)
[00:06] <Ken8521_> MJEvans, lol, which one?
[00:06] <h4writer> one huge thing: restarting and shutting down doesn't work ?!
[00:06] <MJEvans> < Ken8521_> Nefarious Nightingale < MJEvans> Ken8521_: that sounds like some kind of Spy's codename (In other words, awesome)
[00:06] <LinuxGuy2009> h4writer: Are you asking or stating?
[00:06] <Ken8521_> h4writer, there's been some folks w/ issues on that...
[00:06] <h4writer> LinuxGuy2009, stating
[00:06] <h4writer> it doesn't work here
[00:07] <Ken8521_> MJEvans, i kinda like Nifty Newt
[00:07] <LinuxGuy2009> h4writer: Im sure by the time 10.04.1 comes out it will run like a raped ape. ;)
[00:08] <MJEvans> h4writer: What sort of install profile do you have?  Any new/(or really old)/odd hardware?  Any unusual partition layouts or network mounts?
[00:09] <h4writer> MJEvans, I'm using a Aspire 5920G. Nothing that special. I have dual boot with windows, so linux is on second partition sda5 or something
[00:10] <Guest5117> does anyone know how to install enlightenment in Lucid?
[00:10] <h4writer> but I'll try updating first, maybe there is already a fix :D
[00:11] <ZykoticK9> Guest5117, "sudo apt-get install e16" perhaps?  or are you looking for e17? -- haven't used enlightenment myself in years, and never on Ubuntu
[00:11] <Guest5117> ZykoticK9, couldnt find package
[00:11] <yofel> !info e16
[00:12] <MJEvans> h4writer: I too have an Acer Aspire laptop running it.  My issue relates to having multiple _crypt partitions that I need unlocked in the initrd/initramfs, including swap...
[00:12] <yofel> e17 is only available in debian sid as version 0.16.999.063-1
[00:12] <westinghouse> i disabled swarp
[00:12] <snowveil> anyone know how poulsbo support (if any) is in 10.04?
[00:13] <bjsnider> snowveil, no support except vesa
[00:14] <Guest5117> yofel, what does that mean?
[00:14] <yofel> Guest5117: not  available in lucid
[00:14] <yofel> Guest5117: (e17) e16 is there
[00:14] <Ken8521_> MJEvans, i've got an acer aspire, and things are working great here
[00:14] <snowveil> shame :-/
[00:17] <chadi> guys, upgrade or clean install of lucid?
[00:18] <chadi> i have /home on a separate partition
[00:21] <Ken8521_> chadi, whichever you want... we've all heard "Upgrades gone Wrong" stories... so just do whatever you want
[00:21] <crimsun> chadi: clean tends to have fewer residual issues for fairly obvious reasons ;-)
[00:21] <chadi> okay
[00:21] <chadi> i'll go clean
[00:21] <chadi> but I have a question though
[00:22] <chadi> how to I tell the installer to use my old /home ? I've never done that before; is it straightforward?
[00:22] <Ken8521_> never done that either
[00:22] <Hillshum> chadi: Do you have room for a new as well as the old?
[00:22] <Ken8521_> i guess you could copy/paste the old one, over the new one
[00:22] <chadi> Hillshum, not really, I allocated all the space
[00:23] <yofel> pretty much, you need to use manual partitioning, and set it to use the old home as /home and tell it not to format it
[00:23] <jorge> anyone here have any idea why my sound would work on everything EXCEPT for all of my linux games???
[00:23] <jorge> all videos, all youtube, all music, everything, just not games
[00:23] <chadi> yea, i hope it works, i'm gonna backup home anyway
[00:23] <crimsun> jorge: which specific games, i.e., which audio library is used?
[00:24] <jorge> for instance abuse has no sound whatsoever
[00:24] <jorge> nor airstrike
[00:24] <jorge> atomic tanks, bugsquish
[00:24] <crimsun> so, libsdl-based?
[00:24] <jorge> youre probably right, i am new to linux and ubuntu
[00:25] <crimsun> which of libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio, libsdl1.2debian-alsa, or libsdl1.2debian-all do you have installed?
[00:25] <jorge> how can i check?
[00:25] <jorge> i am running a term now
[00:25] <crimsun> dpkg -l libsdl1.2debian\*|grep ^ii
[00:26] <jorge> ii  libsdl1.2debian                      1.2.14-4ubuntu1                                 Simple DirectMedia Layer
[00:26] <jorge> ii  libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio           1.2.14-4ubuntu1                                 Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and Pulse
[00:26] <overmacht> @release
[00:26] <crimsun> jorge: ok, can you get a verbose log, then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[00:27] <jorge> ok
[00:28] <Hillshum> chadi: I have room for two installs, so I can try a beta or something but go back if it breaks
[00:29] <jorge> ok i have tthe log crimsun
[00:29] <chadi> Hillshum: sorry, saw your message after d/cing :P so do you use the same /home for both then?
[00:30] <Hillshum> yup
[00:30] <jorge> want me to email it to you or?
[00:30] <Hillshum> jorge: paste.ubuntu.com
[00:31] <jorge> ok
[00:31] <jorge> crimsun:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/424293/
[00:32] <box> gvfs or something appears to be broken on my ubuntu, upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04. whenever i try to open an sftp:// or ftp:// location, anything other than a regular folder, i get "The specified location is not supported". And the only type in Connect to server... is "Custom Location". looks like i don't have protocol support? Worked before upgrade.
[00:37] <jorge> crimsun: that was attempting to play abuse
[00:37] <Random832> has anyone else had problems with screen flashing after resuming suspend on an i915?
[00:38] <lucas-arg> how do i change plymouth theme?
[00:40] <FGTrooper> I loss the name of the chat of lucid party, can someone give me please ?!?
[00:41] <Ken8521_> !party > FGTrooper
[00:41] <arand> FGTrooper: #ubuntu-release-party ?
[00:41] <FGTrooper> Thank ! ^_^
[00:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Oh boy, a party!
[00:42] <Ken8521_> lol
[00:42] <crimsun> jorge: can your pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo, please?
[00:43] <jorge> ok
[00:43] <Random832> is there a way to like, kill RANDR dead? i'm convinced resolution switching is the cause of these screen flashing problems
[00:44] <Random832> i never switch resolutions so if i could just disable it entirely
[00:44] <crimsun> randr is an extension; I'm unsure why you would want to "kill" it.
[00:44] <jorge> crimsun: how do i gett hat again?
[00:45] <crimsun> jorge: cat /proc/cpuinfo |pastebinit
[00:45] <jorge> ok
[00:45] <jorge> thank you.
[00:46] <jorge> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424299/
[00:46] <pcrov> speaking of resolution - how can i change my virtual console resolution now with grub 2?
[00:47] <samsonite> hey all
[00:48] <samsonite> i have the age old question... fresh install of 10.4 or upgrade?
[00:49] <dagny_ta1gart> samsonite: if you have /home on a seperate partition I say fresh install
[00:49] <crimsun> jorge: are you able to switch back to the desktop while abuse is running? If so, please first install pavucontrol, then start abuse, then switch back to the desktop, then see which device is being used for output.
[00:50] <samsonite> dagny_ta1gart yeah unfortunatly i didnt pretition that way
[00:50] <Hardwire03> hi
[00:50] <samsonite> partition*
[00:50] <samsonite> dagny_ta1gart is it possible to partition the disk and move the mount point?
[00:51] <Hardwire03> can someone help me
[00:52] <dagny_ta1gart> samsonite: i think if you repartition the disk you will lose data.  you may be able to resize a partition
[00:53] <Hardwire03> Anyone know if Ubuntu 9.10 or 10.4 support ( Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio VARPAK 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card )
[00:53] <samsonite> dagny_ta1gart yeah im thinking resize, add a partition, copy /home there, and then reinstall and use the new partition as the mount point
[00:53] <samsonite> for /home
[00:53] <jbuncher> This may be nit-picking, but please, it's 10.04, not 10.4
[00:53] <Pici> 10-4 good buddy
[00:53] <crimsun> Hardwire03: not well. The driver is very crude currently because of lack of Free specs.
[00:55] <jorge> crimsun switch back to the desktop? you mean minimise abuse?
[00:55] <crimsun> jorge: sure
[00:55] <felon> seriously tho
[00:55] <jorge> yes i can do that
[00:55] <felon> when is 10.04 supose to come out
[00:55] <crimsun> Hardwire03: also, please don't send me private queries; it tends to end up in my killfile.
[00:55] <Pici> !isitout > jorge
[00:55] <bjsnider> more sound cards should be pci-x1. at least creative did that right
[00:55] <felon> in witch time zone does it release at
[00:56] <Pici> !isitout
[00:56] <Pici> felon: all time-zones, at once.
[00:56] <jorge> ok i will install pavucontrol
[00:57] <jorge> pavucontrol is already the newest version.
[00:57] <jorge> so what do i need to do?
[00:58] <jorge> wow
[00:58] <samsonite> ugh i want to upgrade tomorrow but i dont want to deal with re-setting up everything
[00:58] <jorge> i just tried to run pavucontrol and got this error
[00:58] <jorge> connection failed: connection refused
[00:58] <Volkodav> yofel: I got a reply from Kingston on TRIM and why we did not see zeroes on that test
[00:59] <yofel> oh?
[00:59] <fabiobik> hello
[01:00] <fabiobik> ive upate to 10.04
[01:00] <fabiobik> and now its not working
[01:00] <arand> fabiobik: Define "not working"
[01:00] <Volkodav> he said that the controller does not erase blocks right away - they utilize their garbage collector and then at some point TRIM is triggered
[01:00] <crimsun> jorge: remember to remove ~/.pulse/client.conf
[01:00] <fabiobik> not appears the login screen
[01:00] <crimsun> jorge: it looks like you forgot to undo the changes ;-)
[01:00] <fabiobik> the pc continue rebooting
[01:01] <samsonite> fabiobik use the live cd to recover your data
[01:01] <fabiobik> how?
[01:01] <samsonite> boot from the disk, then backup your data
[01:01] <felon> Pici : ok then what time
[01:01] <samsonite> then you can safely reinstall
[01:01] <felon> midnight ?
[01:01] <Pici> felon: When its done
[01:01] <fabiobik> the version installed after de upgrade is 9.10
[01:02] <samsonite> ??
[01:02] <bjsnider> Volkodav, you running ubuntu off an ssd?
[01:02] <fabiobik> the version installed before de upgrade is 9.10
[01:02] <fabiobik> :D
[01:02] <Volkodav> yes
[01:02] <yofel> Volkodav: ah, that sould make a bit more sense indeed
[01:02] <fabiobik> so burn live cd and i have the option to recover?
[01:02] <arand> fabiobik: Do you get to the grub bootmenu?
[01:02] <bjsnider> Volkodav, does it have 4k sectors?
[01:02] <fabiobik> arand yes
[01:03] <jorge> ok i deleted it
[01:03] <Volkodav> bjsnider: you can allign it as you wish
[01:03] <crimsun> jorge: if it turns out that libsdl-based games are playing to the wrong device or the volume is set to zero, you can change that in pavucontrol. Also, try export PULSE_NO_SIMD=1 in your ~/.bashrc, logout and login.
[01:03] <mikelifeguard> Will Lucid still have the min/max/exit buttons at the left?
[01:03] <felon> its done already
[01:03] <crimsun> jorge: I need to catch a train
[01:03] <felon> you just dont know it
[01:04] <fabiobik> arand yes the boot menu appears
[01:04] <arand> fabiobik: And if you select "recovery mode" there is it able to boot?
[01:04] <fabiobik> arand no still not bot the pc restart
[01:05] <bjsnider> Volkodav, how do you figure that?
[01:05] <DasEi> mikelifeguard: yes, but can change it back
[01:05] <fabiobik> arand so to downgrade or not loose any personal data how to ?
[01:05] <DasEi> !buttons | mikelifeguard
[01:06] <DasEi> ..wrong trigger
[01:06] <mikelifeguard> np, I can find it
[01:06] <DasEi> :)
[01:06] <mikelifeguard> I just thought it might not have been kept in the final release of an LTS
[01:06]  * mikelifeguard shrugdances
[01:07] <arand> fabiobik: Hmm, if you just need to get to the data on the disk, you can get a liveCD and boot from that, and you ahould be able to get to the data on the disk using that.
[01:07] <fabiobik> arand i want to restore
[01:07] <fabiobik> arand i want to put like before the upgrade
[01:08] <fabiobik> without looses
[01:08] <Volkodav> bjsnider: http://www.nuclex.org/blog/personal/80-aligning-an-ssd-on-linux%22
[01:10] <fabiobik> its possible to downgrade without loosing data?
[01:10] <arand_> fabiobik: Ubuntu does not support downgrades, your options are to try to fix the issue here with this version, or to backup your personal data and completely reinstall the old version. Basically
[01:11] <fabiobik> arand and how to fix my issue?
[01:11] <fabiobik> :S
[01:13] <fabiobik> media error
[01:13] <fabiobik> :S
[01:13] <fabiobik> autorealocate faild
[01:13] <fabiobik> :S
[01:13] <fabiobik> 1/0
[01:13] <fabiobik> and restart
[01:13] <arand_> fabiobik: I don't know, I'm afraid... When you choose the options from the boot menu, is the reboot instantaneous or does it start to boot the kernel and you see some messages before it reboots?
[01:14] <arand_> fabiobik: is "autorelocate failed" what you see when it fails to boot?
[01:14] <fabiobik> i see messages
[01:14] <fabiobik> arand its the last message i see. after that the pc restart automatic
[01:15] <arand_> fabiobik: Ok, that's at least something to go by with google..
[01:15] <arand_> fabiobik: Have you tried booting older versions of the kernel?
[01:15] <fabiobik> ya
[01:16] <fabiobik> the last one i see the ubuntu logo
[01:16] <fabiobik> i think is the most oldest
[01:17] <fabiobik> but not the login screen
[01:18] <fabiobik> <IP_ADDRESS>
[01:20] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[01:20] <arand_> fabiobik: Hmm, the reallocation error seems like read errors, which is _bad_ I would go with a liveCD and try to backup important data first of all.
[01:21] <arand_> fabiobik: Truth is, I'm clueless as to what the problem/solution is...
[01:21] <Antiga> I'm having an Issue with the fan on my laptop W7Sg Asus. It runs at a constant speed (slow) regardless of temp. sensors-detect/ pwmconfig are not doing the trick. Ideas?
[01:21] <Antiga> Nothing in the acpi/fan folder either
[01:21] <bob_k> Question about 10.04 and Ruby and RubyGems:
[01:22] <bob_k> 'gem list --local' produces an empty list, but 'sudo gem list --local' does not.  Why?
[01:23] <fabiobik> arand this is very anoying situation
[01:24] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[01:26] <samsonite> bob_k are you having gem issues after an upgrade or fresh install?
[01:26] <bob_k> samsonite: Fresh install.
[01:27] <samsonite> ok
[01:27] <bob_k> And thank you for responding to me.  I've gotten no help from #ruby nor #rubyonrails today.
[01:27] <samsonite> bob_k honestly i dont have 10.04 yet so im not sure
[01:28] <fabiobik> samsonite
[01:28] <samsonite> what version of ruby and what version gems?
[01:28] <fabiobik> dont doo the upgrade
[01:28] <fabiobik> this upgrade sucks
[01:28] <bob_k> ruby 1.8 (<IP_ADDRESS>), and gems 1.3.6
[01:28] <fabiobik> my system not working. even i cant see the login screen
[01:28] <samsonite> fabiobik dude its not out yet
[01:29] <samsonite> fabiobik you must have done the beta or RC?
[01:29] <fabiobik> and now i cand downgrade
[01:29] <fabiobik> cant
[01:30] <samsonite> bob_k hmm im really not sure
[01:30] <samsonite> thats what im running on my mac and its working as expected
[01:31] <bob_k> samsonite: Well darnit... I've tried almost everything I can.  I'm not sure how to continue.
[01:33] <switchgirl> Warning: call to rand()
[01:33] <switchgirl> is a warning i get when i run vlc in terminal
[01:34] <progre55> is it out yet??
[01:34] <progre55> it's the 29th here =)
[01:36] <yofel> !outyet | progre55
[01:36] <progre55> haha =) thanks
[01:40] <CyberKitsune> Is there any way to fix the Plymoth resolution/color depth issue yet?
[01:41] <yofel> CyberKitsune: proprietary driver?
[01:42] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, which one?
[01:43] <CyberKitsune> The one when you update to the nVidia Propietary driver, the color depth and screen res of plymouth reset to the lowest possible.
[01:43] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, plymouth support in nvidia's proprietary driver isn't much of a priority
[01:43] <CyberKitsune> ah
[01:43] <cwillu_at_work> it's trickier than you might think
[01:43] <CyberKitsune> is there an open source alt to the proprietary drivers that isn't half bad?
[01:44] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, yes, it's used by default if you don't have nvidia's driver installed
[01:44] <cwillu_at_work> no 3d acceleration yet though
[01:44] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, -> http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[01:45] <cwillu_at_work> subtitled: (or why your $500 nVidia card only displays in 16-colors)
[01:45] <BiggFREE> Hi
[01:46] <CyberKitsune> So either pretty bootup or 3D acceleration
[01:46] <fabiobik> how to solve my problem? when i try to boot from the lastest kernel the pc restart. if i try to boot from the oldest version i can see the ubuntu logo but not the login screen!
[01:46] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, well, you could probably hack usplash back in
[01:46] <fabiobik> ive updated from 9.10 version
[01:46] <BiggFREE> How disable the auto lock of the screen ?
[01:46] <CyberKitsune> It boots too fast anyway =V, who needs a splash at all really
[01:46] <cwillu_at_work> BiggFREE, which, when the screensaver kicks in?  it's under the screensaver settings
[01:47] <BiggFREE> Ok I will check it.  ty
[01:47] <arand> fabiobik: Wht happens if you try to boot the recovery version of the old kernel?
[01:47] <BiggFREE> Yes Every 30 seconds
[01:48] <BiggFREE> I need my password
[01:48] <fabiobik> arand let me see
[01:48] <BiggFREE> brb-AFK
[01:51] <BiggFREE> Back
[01:51] <BiggFREE> It is not tick for locking
[01:52] <BiggFREE> It is not the screesaver
[01:52] <BiggFREE> screensaver
[01:53] <fabiobik> arand the recovery version are saying something. i think is about the hard disk
[01:53] <tangodown40> hey guys, i have a small prob with power management
[01:54] <arand> fabiobik: It sounds more and more like hardware failiure, the harddisk having given up...
[01:56] <digifor> What time does Lucid get released?
[01:57] <jpds> !isitout | digifor
[01:58] <digifor> thanks jpds
[02:00] <foxmulder881> I am Linuxless until the release of 10.04. Hurry up already. How long to go?
[02:00] <Pici> !isitout | foxmulder881
[02:00] <foxmulder881> Cheers.
[02:01] <roffe> If I've done a fresh install of Lucid, am I running Nouveau drivers or the blob? and how can I tell?
[02:01] <Pici> roffe: It should say in your xorg log which drivers you are currently using. Likely nouveau, if you haven't touched jockey.
[02:02] <roffe> Pici: ok, thanks. I can't find the xorg log. I tried /etc/X11/xorg.conf but there was no file
[02:03] <Pici> roffe: /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or similar)
[02:04] <roffe> Pici: Thanks. which line says what driver I'm running?
[02:05] <Pici> roffe: It should be listed in one of the LoadModule lines
[02:07] <roffe> Pici: Well, it mentions nouveau on several occasions, so I assume it's running it. And I can't enable "normal" or "extra" visual effects, so I assume that's due to nouveau
[02:08] <Pici> roffe: I'd guess, but I don't really have any experience with nouveu.
[02:08] <milo4> hello dose anyone know much about mysql server
[02:08] <roffe> Pici: ok, ATI? :)
[02:08] <rmrfslash> Is anyone else having issues w/ suspend-to-ram?
[02:09] <Pici> roffe: Yeah.  One computer using fglrx and the other using the open source driver.
[02:09] <kevin009> if we remove pulseaudio from 10.4, does the volume control break?
[02:09] <rmrfslash> in that it just does a screen lock?
[02:10] <gaysquirrel> how do some people have 10.04 alrady>
[02:10] <crdlb> kevin009: the indicator applet one? I'd expect it to
[02:10] <milo4> there probly beta testers
[02:11] <kevin009> yeah i had to use a ppa to fix that in 9.10, so i guess i can't upgrade until that is worked around again
[02:11] <milo4> can someone help me with a small problem i have ran in to ?
[02:11] <gaysquirrel> should I upgrade when it is released
[02:11] <gaysquirrel> or fresh install?
[02:12] <crdlb> kevin009: indicator-sound has a hard dependency on pulseaudio
[02:12] <gaysquirrel> its on my main work terminal so I would RATHER upgrade, but i need stability
[02:12] <kevin009> the one i typically use is the volume control applet
[02:13] <crdlb> well, lucid uses the new indicator one by default
[02:14] <virtuald> rmrfslash: suspend issues are very hardware specific. file a bug (run ubuntu-bug linux)
[02:14] <rmrfslash> yeah, I did that
[02:14] <virtuald> :>
[02:14] <rmrfslash> actually, that reminds me I need to collect all kinds of friggin data
[02:15] <rmrfslash> got an automated message
[02:15] <virtuald> what's the bug number?
[02:15] <virtuald> or link
[02:15] <rmrfslash> "run this, run that, run this thing, run that thing, download and install the mainline kernel and try it... etc"
[02:15] <rmrfslash> mmmmmm
[02:15] <rmrfslash> lemme grab it
[02:15] <rmrfslash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/569624
[02:16] <virtuald> yes that's debugging, the only way to solve these bugs
[02:16]  * meowbuntu reverts from ubuntu 9.10 back to ubuntu 8.0 lts its easier and works better on my os
[02:16] <rmrfslash> :)
[02:16] <meowbuntu> for older machines ubuntu should look at keeping ubuntu 8.0 lts supported officially forever
[02:16] <woodyjlw> will I be able to download 10.04 after midnight tonight?  I am so pleased with 10.04 I want to try it on my desktop now
[02:17] <GSF1200S> does anyone know when 10.04 is going to be released (time approx)? Im trying to get the ISOs right away so I can seed them
[02:17] <GSF1200S> I already have it installed..
[02:17] <meowbuntu> 8.0 os more stable on my p4 with 768 mb ram
[02:18] <rmrfslash> I don't seem to even have a swap partition.
[02:18] <Antiga> Having an issue with 10.4 recognizing my fan, sensors-detect isn't yielding anything. Fan stays at a constant/slow speed that is not sufficient. acpi/fan etc nothing in that folder. Looking at modprobe stuff? really lost? somewhat new to ubuntu. Any help would be wonderful!
[02:19] <gaysquirrel> 9.10 is pretty damn stable on this celeron with 768 megs
[02:19] <gaysquirrel> compiz, too
[02:19] <virtuald> rmrfslash: where are you looking?
[02:19] <rmrfslash> df -k
[02:19] <meowbuntu> gaysquirrel, every computer is different
[02:19] <GSF1200S> Antiga: had a similar issue- I recommend downloading the lm-sensors source from their webpage
[02:19] <virtuald> rmrfslash: swap is not a file system and therefore does not show
[02:20] <rmrfslash> oh
[02:20] <virtuald> rmrfslash: the free commanand shows it
[02:20] <rmrfslash> I need to check the dize of my swap partition
[02:20] <Antiga> GSF: lm-sensors runs sensors-detect?
[02:20] <woodyjlw> GSF1200S,  you already have it installed?  the alpha ver ? or the final?
[02:21] <rmrfslash> apparently I have 11 GB of swap
[02:21] <rmrfslash> wowzie
[02:21] <rmrfslash> I think I have 4 GB of physical mem
[02:21] <virtuald> hehe
[02:22] <GSF1200S> woodyjlw: apologies for the confusion- I installed the release candidate and have kept it up to date. It is not a "stable version" yet, but its working fine and im not gonna reinstall
[02:22] <virtuald> the auto partitioning option is a little greedy
[02:22] <GSF1200S> im just gonna update in a few days
[02:22] <switchgirl> !hammertime
[02:22] <virtuald> switchgirl: STOP! Hammertime!
[02:22] <vernr> will fluxbuntu come out as a subdistro with this?
[02:22] <switchgirl> !STOP
[02:22] <GSF1200S> I think its safe to say that downloading updates will be a bad idea for the next few days
[02:22] <switchgirl> !Hammertime
[02:23] <switchgirl> !Hammershmit
[02:23] <vernr> what is hammer time?
[02:23] <virtuald> switchgirl: stop! collaborate and listen..yadda yadda
[02:23] <vernr> hello?
[02:23] <woodyjlw> GSF1200S,  oh thats cool I am running the same and it is great! this is best performing linux I have had on this 64 bit laptop but I want to try the final as soon as it becomes available lol....like a kid in the candy store :)
[02:24] <vernr> will fluxbuntu come out as a subdistro with this?
[02:25] <vernr> it only takes up less than 170 mb
[02:25] <GSF1200S> woodyjlw: :) I here you.. If you can maybe on a second computer, try to seed the install ISO's (bittorrent) because the mirrors are going to be slammed and slow.. Torrent will be the best way to get the ISO's
[02:25] <GSF1200S> thats what im trying to do
[02:25] <virtuald> vernr: it's something from an mc hammer song "you can't touch this"
[02:25] <vernr> why is she talking about it in a support channel?
[02:26] <GSF1200S> works great here as well, except my monitors shut off if X isnt loaded. Seems like a framebuffer issue, but nothing ive tried fixes it- prolly due in large part to my nvidia card..
[02:26] <woodyjlw> GSF1200S,  yes I will use torrent and seed it for as long as I can. was just hoping I could find it tonight before it gets real late
[02:27] <vernr> no one wants to talk about fluxbuntu
[02:27] <GSF1200S> yeah, me too.. im not sleeping until its released and im seeding ;)
[02:27] <GSF1200S> so the earlier it comes out, the more sleep I get
[02:28] <GSF1200S> vernr: fluxbuntu is pretty nice- I run it in virtual, although admittedly im still using 9.04.. need to upgrade
[02:28] <westinghouse> fluxbuntu is the bttf version?
[02:30] <vernr> GSF1200S, could you tell me where i can find network manager and the system notification area in fluxbuntu?
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> um, how do I disable the login sound?  (without disabling sounds once I'm all logged in and ready to go)
[02:30] <djbeenie> has anyone used vmware workstation in 10.4 yet?
[02:30] <trism> tonyyarusso: the sound before or after login?
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> trism: uh, during, although I suppose it's what you mean by after.  While the desktop is loading, not at GDM.
[02:31] <trism> tonyyarusso: well, the sound before is System/Administration/Login Screen, the sound after is System/Preferences/Startup Applications, Gnome login sound
[02:31] <coachj> if i have 10.4 beta 1 installed will updating bring the install up to the 10.4 LTS?
[02:31] <GSF1200S> vernr: no, im sorry I cant.. I dont have a network manager- it just connects via CLI to ethernet which is how an OS gets inet from the host on a virtual machine. Do you have network manager installed? try typing nm-applet in a terminal and see what it says
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> trism: Startup Applications eh?  Yeah, never would have thought to look there.
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> trism: Thanks a million - now I can stop getting awkward stares in class.
[02:32] <trism> tonyyarusso: yeah, spent a while searching for it the other day
[02:32] <woodyjlw> the open source ati driver for my laptop is MUCH! better on 10.04  now and I can see much better 3d support and my suspend and wake work perfect.   ati 200m on all other ubuntu ver. would lock the keyboard and mouse on wake most of the time and I have had the test ver of 10.04 for a month now and it has not done it once on me. only prob is my blue-tooth will not reconnect to mouse from wake or restart and I have to make it visible
[02:32] <woodyjlw>  every time.
[02:33] <GSF1200S> vernr: if not, you can install network manager, ensure the panel you are running has a systray (which fluxbuntu does by default) and run nm-applet in a terminal. you can create a script to launch nm-applet on fluxbox's start, which will make this automatic
[02:33] <vernr> GSF1200S, it starts gnome network manager. is there a way to run it without leaving a terminal window open?
[02:35] <GSF1200S> vernr: yes, use "Run Command" in the flux menu and type nm-applet there
[02:35] <GSF1200S> CLOSE the terminal first
[02:35] <GSF1200S> As I said, to make this automatic, you can create a script and have it autoload at fluxbox startup
[02:36] <GSF1200S> its very easy to make such a script: #!/bin/bash     as the first line,  nm-applet        as the second line, save, make executable, and then link to the script
[02:37] <woodyjlw> anyone know the best torrent site to find 10.04 when it dose come out?
[02:38] <alex87> woodyjlw, i think the torrent is available from ubuntu.com
[02:39] <woodyjlw> alex87,  ok thanks :)
[02:39] <alex87> np
[02:41] <td123> so, when is lynx coming out?
[02:42] <arand> !outyet | td123
[02:43] <alex87> what time is it over in the US?
[02:44] <td123> alex87: 20:44 central
[02:44] <alex87> ah, so it should be out in the next 27 hours or so?
[02:44] <td123> hopefully :P
[02:44] <gaysquirrel> woooot
[02:44] <gaysquirrel> 27 hours!
[02:44] <td123> although I personally don't use ubuntu :P
[02:46] <alex87> td123, haha, then why are you here?
[02:47] <meowbuntu> hi all when does official support frun out for ubuntu 8.0 lts i cnt find any info
[02:47] <meowbuntu> td123, then y come here
[02:50] <td123> because I like to check out what ubuntu comes out with :)
[02:50] <td123> curiousity is all
[02:50] <coachj> will an updated 10.4 beta 1 by current with the 10.4 LTS coming tomorrow?
[02:50] <td123> coachj: just do a fresh install
[02:50] <arand> td123: It's social networking galore this release, imo.
[02:51] <arand> !final | coachj
[02:51] <TerminX> sure, why not, it's not like a reinstall is going to give you packages that aren't in the repositories
[02:51] <Losha> meowbuntu: 8.04 lts desktop should be supported until April 2011
[02:51] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[02:52] <jacobuntu> it's that time of year again
[02:52] <arand> td123 coachj: If there are no problems, a fresh install is kind of pointless...
[02:52] <coachj> ok thks
[02:52] <rmrfslash> All right, I just added a bunch of stuff to my bug report
[02:52] <jacobuntu> im on beta 2 still how do i upgrade to RC
[02:52] <TerminX> lucid was finally what murdered my 8 year old install though (had installed debian in 2002 and switched to ubuntu via dist-upgrade when things were first forked)
[02:52] <jacobuntu> or do i not do that
[02:52] <rmrfslash> hopefully this can be solved. too bad too because everything was working great under 9.10
[02:52] <meowbuntu> Losha, REALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPORTED TILL TEH NEXT LTS CAME OUT
[02:52] <jacobuntu> My OCD won't let me just upgrade, I fresh install baby
[02:52] <rmrfslash> now all of a sudden suspend is done broked
[02:53] <jacobuntu> !intrepid
[02:53] <jacobuntu> oops
[02:53] <jacobuntu> !heron
[02:53] <gaysquirrel> jacobuntu, im contemplationg
[02:53] <gaysquirrel> i dopnt know if i wanna go through the hassel of a fresh install
[02:53] <gaysquirrel> i have my dev stuff set up the way i want
[02:53] <Losha> meowbuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop "....those who prefer longer deployment cycles can stay with Ubuntu 8.04 for three years before moving to the next LTS release...."
[02:54] <Nonpython> Ubuntu is freezing on boot with 5 red orbs.
[02:54] <jacobuntu> (meowbuntu quit)
[02:55] <MagicFab> I am sharing my Ubuntu Manual copy here, if anyone cares: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Jh/
[02:55] <arand> MagicFab: Um, diff from official release?
[02:56] <rmrfslash> !jaunty
[02:56] <coachj> MagicFab: nice thks
[02:57] <MagicFab> arand, no, but the official release is getting hammered - no torrent in sight
[02:57] <arand> MagicFab: Ah, true that.
[02:59] <johanbr> Hi. Does anyone else have broken sound with the -21 kernel? (in particular, on an HP laptop)
[02:59] <johanbr> -19 works fine
[02:59] <crimsun> johanbr: you should know better ;-)  Where's your debugging info?
[03:00] <johanbr> crimsun, :) unfortunately I don't have that readily available atm
[03:00] <johanbr> it's my girlfriend's laptop... just thought I'd ask if anyone else had seen the problem
[03:01] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[03:01] <arand> Nonpython: try to boot with the kernel option   nomodeset
[03:01] <johanbr> lastelement0, wired or wireless connection? and which network card?
[03:02] <lastelement0> johanbr: wired RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[03:02] <pcrov> johanbr: sound is working fine on my hp laptop with -21
[03:02] <Nonpython> how do I do that? (I am not a n00b, and in fact have made my own distro in the past, ubuntu's new boot thing is fracking weird)
[03:02] <crimsun> johanbr: without that info, you're really shooting in the dark.
[03:03] <FFForever> Hi
[03:03] <FFForever> Anyone else having an issue browsing the network location?
[03:04] <eurythmia> I used add-apt-repository to add the gnome2-globalmenu/ppa, but it installed with the Lucid repo (which doesn't exist) ... how would I fully clean out this repository so that I can "start from scratch" as it were?
[03:04] <johanbr> crimsun, yep, I know... I'll see if I can ssh to her machine and get the debugging info
[03:04] <FFForever> I get an error saying Nautilus cannot handle network locations
[03:04] <johanbr> pcrov, alright, thank you
[03:04] <crimsun> pcrov: unfortunately it's so audio hw-specific that your case probably isn't at all relevant
[03:05] <pcrov> i know, crimsun. just answering the question given.
[03:06] <Nonpython> How do I pass kernel options to Lucid?
[03:06] <johanbr> lastelement0, no experience with that one, but looks like others have the same problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/system76/+bug/565787
[03:07] <Nonpython> (I don't like this new boot thing at all)
[03:07] <crimsun> Nonpython: the same way you did before.
[03:07] <Nonpython> Huh>
[03:07] <Nonpython> Huh?
[03:07] <crimsun> Nonpython: press Shift during the grub2 init, edit the kernel command line, choose boot.
[03:07] <cornwalldfgdfggg> Nonpython: Lots of people don't. Just be glad you can boot! :)
[03:07] <lastelement0> johanbr hmmm not entirely the same but thanks
[03:08] <Nonpython> I went straight from intrepid to Lucid, due to hardware that hates me.
[03:09] <pcrov> Nonpython: see /etc/defaults/grub and /etc/grub.d/ if you want to tweak things more permanently
[03:09] <Nonpython> cool
[03:10] <Wicked> hmm.. cannot get ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-amd64.iso to boot for me...it gets to where it looks like its gonna load the desktop but then just stops and said it couldnt start...but it would start the desktop so i could see what was wrong....but then it just shuts the computer down
[03:10] <arand> Nonpython: edit the boot line in the grub menu
[03:11] <Nonpython> kk
[03:11] <Nonpython> It did boot in the past, it stopped working when I set up my wireless mouse.
[03:12] <Nonpython> (nomodeset did not help.
[03:13] <Fudge> hi my logitech usb microphone detected fine in beta but not in rc2, how can i check to see what could be wrong?
[03:16] <Wicked> yea... 10.04 rc livecd will not boot for me.
[03:17] <Wicked> hope it gets fixed by tomorrow
[03:19] <Nonpython> I resorted to burning a -desktop cd and removing my change.
[03:26] <wick94> guys will ubuntu 10.04 be available today at midnight?
[03:28] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: Probably not
[03:28] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: it will be released when it's ready
[03:28] <wick94> and thts on april 30th
[03:28] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: but it will be on the 29th. It may be tomorrow night, depending on where you are in the world
[03:29] <wick94> oh wats their time zone
[03:29] <Losha> cornwalldfgdfggg: actually, it will be released *before* it's ready, if the other releases are any guide....
[03:29] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: Hardy released on Midnight for me, Karmic released in the afternoon for me
[03:30] <wick94> ok
[03:30] <lastelement0> hey johanbr, it actually did solve my problem lol... go figure. thanks again
[03:30] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: dunno their time zone, it's in Europe
[03:30] <wick94> bt wat time zone does canonical follow
[03:30] <johanbr> lastelement0, great! you're welcome
[03:30] <wick94> do u knw the country
[03:32] <Waistless> hi, I'm using an Ati 3850, and when I try installing fglrx, on boot the xorg.0.log throws up "undefined symbol ResVgaShared" and it fails to load fglrx. Is there any solution?
[03:36] <Blue11> does this channel become #ubuntu at midnight?
[03:36] <arand> Blue11: Some short time after release it will be closed, yep.
[03:36] <Blue11> kewl
[03:37] <Blue11> many bugs remain
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> Blue11: when it's released yes, but that will not be at midnight
[03:42] <arand> Blue11: Many bugs _always_ remain :(
[03:44] <ircuser> When is the Final Release supposed to be there?
[03:45] <Waistless> has anyone tried the official fglrx 10.4 (from ati website)? do they work ok with lucid?
[03:45] <Blue11> Waistless: what is it?
[03:46] <Waistless> well as I posted earlier, I'm getting an error with the fglrx drivers in the lucid repo, so I was wandering if they worked
[03:46] <Blue11> Waistless: I am running the stock ati driver
[03:46] <arand> ircuser: No fixed time
[03:46] <Waistless> oh, you joined before that post.. the driver in lucid repo, when I boot gives an error "undefined symbol resVgaShared" and doesnt load
[03:47] <ircuser> arand: oh. I've been waiting since midnight.. I don't want to try Beta or RC
[03:47] <Blue11> Waistless: i thought all ati drivers (for linux) were in legacy mode
[03:47] <ircuser> I will waioy a bit more
[03:48] <Waistless> blue11: what do you mean? I was under the assumption that ubuntu always got pre-release drivers so that they would work upon release (ati treats them special :P )
[03:48] <Blue11> Waistless: i mean that ati doesn't maintian the driver, and depends on the distributor to solve any issues
[03:50] <Waistless> oh, I mean the fglrx driver in the lucid repo, i know ati doesnt maintain radeon or radeonhd
[03:51] <Blue11> Waistless: yp...I have an old radeon that suxeth
[03:51] <Freeaqingme_> are there ubuntu developers in here?
[03:51] <Blue11> hellifino
[03:52] <Waistless> well mine's an ati 3850 (sort of old), last release of ubuntu (9.10) gives me a black screen regardless of fglrx version. anyway Ill try fglrx from the ati website now anyway, ubuntu early look support looks promising...
[03:53] <crdlb> Waistless: I think the driver in the repo is indeed newer than the official release
[03:53] <Flynsarmy> 10.04 comes otu today (29th) ?
[03:53] <crdlb> Waistless: and from what I've heard, 10.4 does not work on lucid
[03:54] <Waistless> crdlb: are you sure about that? official 10.4 was just recently released
[03:55] <Waistless> and the fglrx in the lucid repo was around before then
[03:55] <crdlb> let's see
[03:57] <crdlb> Waistless: it seems I was mistaken
[03:58] <ArtVandalae> Hello all... is it still the 28th in the US (east coast/west coast?)
[03:58] <arand> !party | ArtVandalae
[03:58] <ArtVandalae> arand, thanks
[04:00] <Waistless> oh, umm.. xulrunner isn't compatible with firefox... somethings not right
[04:02] <Waistless> why doesnt lucid get firefox 3.6?
[04:03] <crimsun> Waistless: eh? It has 3.6.3.
[04:04] <Waistless> strange.. i'm using lucid repos... firefox-3.6 doesn't show up
[04:04] <crimsun> that's b/c it's 'firefox'
[04:04] <Waistless> hmm.. well the firefox package shows up as 3.5.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[04:05] <Waistless> no upgrades.. i know im using the lucid repo
[04:05] <crimsun> your cache is broken?
[04:05] <crimsun> apt-cache policy firefox
[04:06] <Waistless> apt-get update apt-cache policy firefox only 3.5.5 shows up. the mirror im using probably hates me..
[04:07] <crimsun> Waistless: http://pastebin.com/DUSehL5i
[04:07] <Waistless> well you're using ppa launchpad.. arent they more up to date always?
[04:07] <crimsun> Waistless: read the second candidate
[04:08] <crimsun> line 8
[04:08] <Waistless> i guess my mirrors horribly outdated :(
[04:08] <Random832> anyone know how to completely disable KMS on intel video? or completely disable putting the display to sleep? they're interacting badly
[04:10] <abhijain> is ubuntu 10.4 is final released?
[04:11] <abhijain> need a best download link . confused with alpha1 and beta
[04:12] <arand> !outyet | abhijain
[04:12] <abhijain> ubottu: thnaku
[04:15] <Random832> well that did SOMETHING at least
[04:15] <Random832> time will tell i suppose
[04:17] <bp0> ho to prevent the flash movie from exiting fullscreen mode when i push the volume buttons
[04:18] <bp0> i dont care so much about those stupid bubbles, if i could turn them all off that would be fine
[04:18] <gaysquirrel> have lynx been released yet?
[04:18] <crimsun> ...
[04:18] <crimsun> you'll have been kicked from the channel when it has been released. So, no.
[04:18] <gaysquirrel> whats that supposed to mean
[04:19] <crimsun> when 10.04 LTS releases, this channel is no longer the Ubuntu+1 support channel.
[04:19] <gaysquirrel> oh okay i though that was an insult of some sort
[04:19] <crimsun> hah
[04:19] <StormMage> is that at midnight or when?
[04:19] <crimsun> it's when you stop asking plus X hours
[04:19] <crimsun> ;-)
[04:20] <gaysquirrel> thats not nice!
[04:20] <crimsun> seriously, none of us really know.
[04:20] <gaysquirrel> thats better ;)
[04:20] <StormMage> lol
[04:20] <StormMage> ok
[04:20] <crimsun> if you want the final images, it's a good idea to zsync the current ones.
[04:21] <StormMage> i am just trying to figure out if i will have time to dl and burn it off before running to class
[04:21] <gaysquirrel> why not just do an apt get and update it
[04:22] <crimsun> BTW, if you don't have lucid-security, lucid-updates, and lucid-proposed enabled, now would be a *really* wise time to do so.
[04:22] <gaysquirrel> any advice to a noob on how to get said prerequisites
[04:23] <crimsun> meaning the pockets I just mentioned? You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list then update && upgrade, or you can use Software Sources
[04:24] <gaysquirrel> amd whats the purpose of getting them
[04:26] <crimsun> to get them before the mirrors are slammed
[04:26] <jzacsh> so uh.. i'm sure this is the main que. ppl are asking -- but what time will the new release be available?
[04:26] <DanaG> argh, firefox segfaults when I try to add the security device /usr/lib/pkcs11/libopencryptoki.so
[04:26] <fauzy> hi
[04:27] <crimsun> jzacsh: 23:20 < crimsun> seriously, none of us really know.
[04:27] <fauzy> I am wondering if I can just roll 10.04 Lucid Lynx beta by running apt-get upgrade to the LTS
[04:27] <crimsun> and I've been at this since 4.10, so really, none of us know.
[04:27] <fauzy> is that possible?
[04:27] <crimsun> fauzy: yes, you can.
[04:28] <fauzy> crimsun: ty
[04:28] <DanaG> oh, and apport won't let me submit bugs on the ubuntu-mozilla-dailies.
[04:28] <fauzy> so has anyone got a sync sytem setup?
[04:28] <fauzy> Trying to get help running Unison
[04:29] <jzacsh> crimsun: :) i believe you. how does it work? only the lead developers know?
[04:29] <fauzy> I hope they fix the ALPS issue in the LTS
[04:29] <crimsun> jzacsh: no, literally when the major mirrors have synced and the release manager presses the red button on LP.
[04:29] <DShepherd> how do i query what video driver my buntu is using?
[04:30] <bryanr> ok i am here
[04:30] <jzacsh> crimsun: LP?
[04:30] <bryanr> i told ya i would be here for the release
[04:30] <bryanr> only 30 minutes to go
[04:30] <crimsun> jzacsh: Launchpad
[04:30] <jzacsh> crimsun: ah. k, thanks for the info.
[04:30] <crimsun> bryanr: don't hold your breath; it's likely to be a lot longer than 30 minutes.
[04:31] <fauzy> Can I please get some help with something?
[04:31] <bullgard4> What does 'drm mean in »ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-21.32-generic <IP_ADDRESS>+drm33.2«? See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/571530/
[04:31] <crimsun> bullgard4: it means the DRM component (for graphics) is from <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:32] <crimsun> bullgard4: if you remember, a decision was made to use 2.6.33's DRM stack instead of 2.6.32's
[04:32] <fauzy> Should I be in another hub to get help?
[04:32] <crimsun> fauzy: don't ask to ask, please
[04:32] <fauzy> ok, so is this the correct hub for technical issues? or is that another hub
[04:33] <fauzy> :-D
[04:33] <crimsun> fauzy: for 10.04 LTS, yes, at least for a few more hours
[04:33] <crimsun> afterward you'll be redirected to #ubuntu
[04:33] <fauzy> ok, I need help with a sync issue.
[04:33] <bullgard4> crimsun: I do not remember. What do the letters 'DRM' stand for in this acronym?
[04:34] <crimsun> direct rendering manager
[04:34] <bp0> what package is the notification bubbles part of so i can report a bug>?
[04:34] <crimsun> bp0: notify-osd
[04:34] <fauzy> rather, I could use some advice as to issues regarding syncin across a network.
[04:34] <bullgard4> crimsun: Thank you very much for your help.
[04:35] <bp0> crimsun, thanks
[04:35] <fauzy> bp0: do the OSD tags fade when moused over then come back?
[04:35] <bp0> bug 571533
[04:36] <bp0> no, but i hate that too
[04:36] <fauzy> weird huh. 8)
[04:37] <bp0> is there a bug for that one
[04:37] <bp0> ill got join it
[04:37] <johnjohn101> is lucid finished officially?
[04:37] <bp0> *go
[04:37] <fauzy> well i tried.
[04:38] <fauzy> happy crackin
[04:38] <crimsun> johnjohn101: "finished"?
[04:42] <Cygnia> Anyone know whether Empathy can do IRC again in Lucid?
[04:43] <crdlb> Cygnia: it can, but it was semi-accidentally hidden
[04:43] <crdlb> Cygnia: you must make an account for some other service (can be gibberish) with the wizard, then you can use the real accounts editor, which contains IRC
[04:44] <Cygnia> crdlb:IRC just isn't in the drop-down, no matter that I create another account first.
[04:46] <almoxarife> never had video flicker before, been seeing it for a few days, anyone else?
[04:47] <crdlb> Cygnia: so when you go to edit->accounts, you don't see a wizard with the header Welcome to Empathy"?"
[04:47] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Yes, Empathy can do IRC in Lucid.
[04:48] <Cygnia> crdlb: Yes I get the wizard. I connected my Facebook chat first, then went back in...
[04:49] <Cygnia> But IRC still isn't part of the list of services.
[04:50] <crdlb> Cygnia: even with facebook chat enabled, you still get the wizard?
[04:50] <Cygnia> crdlb: No, at that point I choose Edit > Accounts. Every other imaginable service is in the dropdown, but not IRC.
[04:51] <crdlb> is telepathy-idle installed?
[04:51] <Cygnia> crdlb: Let me check...
[04:51] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Check to see it the underlying telepathy DEB program package is installed.
[04:52] <bullgard4> s/it/if/
[04:52] <Cygnia> crdlb & bullgard4: Yes telepathy-idle is installed, according to Synaptic.
[04:54] <Cygnia> Should I install either telepathy-core and/or telepathy-gnome? They are not installed.
[04:55] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Yes, please install telepathy-core.
[04:56] <tucemiux_> is it out yet?
[04:56] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Yes, please install telepathy-gnome too.
[04:56] <tucemiux_> it's april 29th in europe, is it not?
[04:57] <bullgard4> tucemiux_: Yes it is.
[04:57] <crdlb> I don't have telepathy-core or telepathy-gnome either
[04:57] <tucemiux_> 3 minutes till april 29th in the east coast
[04:57] <crdlb> and they're in universe, so definitely not required
[04:58] <pcrov> !outyet | tucemiux_
[04:58] <Cygnia> bullgard4: That fixed it. Thank you for your help!
[04:58] <tucemiux_> pcrov, thanks
[04:58] <BiggFREE> Hi
[04:58] <bullgard4> crdlb: But my Ubuntu did install them for me automatically.
[04:58] <BiggFREE> Will it be ready at midnight ?
[04:59] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Enjoy ubuntu!
[04:59] <Cygnia> And you too, crdlb.
[04:59] <BiggFREE> EST ?
[04:59] <Meeko> Have ubuntu put the header on the frontpage (the search-header) the wrong way? :P
[04:59] <tucemiux_> BiggFREE, what are you talking about? it's going to be the 30th in a few hours
[04:59] <johnjohn101> i did the distro upgrade yesterday and got everything back in order. Is there anything I need to do tomorrow?
[05:00] <bullgard4> Meeko: What frontpage do you speak about?
[05:00] <BiggFREE> No It will be 29 here (IN Eastern Canada)
[05:01] <Meeko> bullgard4: The ubuntu custom google-search
[05:01] <BiggFREE> It is 29th now
[05:01] <Meeko> http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[05:01] <BiggFREE> How to get the LST version ?
[05:01] <crdlb> Cygnia: well, that's odd, but I try not to look the gift horse in the mouth :)
[05:03] <johnjohn101> when does this channel officially close?
[05:03] <bullgard4> Meeko: I cannot answer you question. Because I am using a personally customized Google search page.
[05:03] <BiggFREE> It is 29th now
[05:03] <BiggFREE> How to get the LST version ?
[05:04] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: There is none.
[05:04] <Meeko> bullgard4: http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[05:04] <BiggFREE> Why ?
[05:04] <BiggFREE> I got it many days ago.
[05:04] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: You probably meant something else.
[05:05] <BiggFREE> I got the RC one.
[05:05] <BiggFREE> Lucid
[05:05] <BiggFREE> How do I upgrade now ?
[05:06] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: You better wait and see.
[05:06] <BiggFREE> Ok
[05:06] <BiggFREE> :)
[05:10] <BiggFREE> It is not release yet.
[05:10] <BiggFREE> released
[05:10] <Meeko> The ubuntu -way s to wait untill 11:59 on the west side of the international dateline
[05:10] <BiggFREE> ty
[05:11] <BiggFREE> Eastern Canada here
[05:11] <beyondcr> #ubuntu-release-party
[05:11] <BiggFREE> Quebec
[05:11] <BiggFREE> ok
[05:12] <bullgard4> beyondcr: We will celebrate an Ubuntu Release party tomorrow in Berlin, Germany.
[05:13] <beyondcr> lol cool it will be released the same time all around wont it?
[05:13] <donpdonp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseParties
[05:14] <donpdonp> whoops, thats deprecated now
[05:14] <donpdonp> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/16/detail/
[05:15] <dunas> So Ubuntu One's music store has been stuck on transferring to your ubuntu one storage for about 45 minutes, help
[05:16] <jpds> dunas: #ubuntuone is your friend.
[05:16] <MJEvans> dunas: click the close button and reload after killing it?
[05:17] <MJEvans> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/  << So do only server and alternate ISOs get jigdos?
[05:17] <jpds> MJEvans: jidgo isn't completely supported for ISO images downloads.
[05:19] <MJEvans> Yeah, but jigdo + zsync get me there without downloading shared components at varrying offsets.
[05:22] <MJEvans> jpds: more or less I'm stuck behind a lower end DSL connection, but want to download most of the .isos between release and the launch party so I can burn a few copies of everything.
[05:23] <KnifeySpooney> historically, when does the ubuntu homepage get update for each release? I really want to see the new design. :D
[05:23] <MJEvans> Most of their contnets is going to be the same, it's really going to be the desktop components that will differ.
[05:23] <KnifeySpooney> I know, but they are going to update their homepage (ubuntu.com) with thew new colors
[05:23] <KnifeySpooney> I'll find a link in a minute
[05:27] <Error404NotFound> have waited for this for like a million years... :P
[05:27] <hemanth> does lsb_release give us info about the version, just wanted to check if i'm on beta2 to RC
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> hemanth, cat /etc/issue, lsb_release -a
[05:28] <KnifeySpooney> MJEvans: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-gets-new-themes-logo-more.html
[05:29] <hemanth> Error404NotFound, both say Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but i want to know if i'm on beta2 to rc
[05:29] <KnifeySpooney> About halfway through the article they mention a website
[05:29] <KnifeySpooney> hemanth: if you've updated through the update-manager or apt, you should be on the release candidate
[05:29] <KnifeySpooney> if not, you can update now and you'll be on the release candidate
[05:30] <Error404NotFound> hemanth, hmmm, may be open the Help, System > Help, sorry, haven't used Lucid for more than couple of days, still running on a test box though...
[05:30] <hemanth> KnifeySpooney, i was on beta2, then i rembr doing update, upgrade
[05:31] <KnifeySpooney> hemanth, well there is no definitive "this is rc" because the packages are constantly being updated in the repos. Run the update-manager again and if you have updates, install them
[05:33] <hemanth> KnifeySpooney, i have now updates, so must be on RC, after the final release today, i will do a upgrade-manager -d thank you :)
[05:34] <KnifeySpooney> hemanth, just make sure you run `sudo apt-get update` before you check for updates :)
[05:34] <KnifeySpooney> otherwise it will use your existing package list which could be outdated
[05:39]  * shachaf wonders if it makes any sense to install the release candidate right now and upgrade later, rather than just waiting for tomorrow and installing the final release.
[05:40] <PlainFlavored> hey
[05:40] <PlainFlavored> how many hours until the release?
[05:41] <PlainFlavored> sorry if this question has been asked a million times already :D
[05:41] <KnifeySpooney> PlainFlavored, i'm curious too :) in my experience it's never early in the morning (12am for me)
[05:42] <KnifeySpooney> Not sure if they have a set time
[05:42] <donpdonp> PlainFlavored: im not sure even ubuntu knows
[05:42] <PlainFlavored> i see
[05:42] <KnifeySpooney> I was disappointed to see they haven't updated the home page yet.
[05:43] <Victory444> the countdown image they've had simply has a smiley face where the days used to be :P
[05:43] <donpdonp> it'll be out when this url exists: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/release
[05:45] <arand> Nah, it's out when the official email goes out to the mailing list. The CDs will likely be mirrored earlier, right?
[05:45] <donpdonp> im just looking for the bits, not the official timestamp
[05:46] <KnifeySpooney> donpdonp, maybe I can write a quick script to check for the release and start the torrent
[05:47] <donpdonp> KnifeySpooney: yeah as long as its not too hard on the server
[05:47] <donpdonp> is already very slow to respond
[05:48] <arand> donpdonp: You could grab the current daily (27th apr), and check the sha1sum when the final is out... I have a suspicion they'll be the same, unless some major thing stops it. :)
[05:48] <donpdonp> arand: thats a good point, though im in no hurry to get it
[05:50] <red2kic> donpdonp: You could obtain the RC now. When the final is out, zsync it. :)
[05:50] <MJEvans> red2kic: does zsync handle relocations?
[05:51] <red2kic> MJEvans: I don't know. You can copy iso just to be on safe side.
[05:51] <Meeko> Is there any major changes in UNR?
[05:56] <MJEvans> red2kic: So I'm trying out rc-alternate-amd64 as the basis for rc-desktop-64
[05:56] <Kalidarn> hi, lucid release cycle follows UTC time right? it's currently 4:56AM UTC i'm wondering if it might be out in the next few hours (before i go home from work) because i want to use my work's fibre connection
[05:57] <spvensko_> so, is there a countdown yet? :)
[05:57] <MJEvans> Target 5.0% complete.  Ouch
[05:57] <MJEvans> Hopefully it works better for the final
[05:58] <arand> Kalidarn: Download the current daily iso, and use zsync to take the final diff, if any.
[05:58] <arand> MJEvans: I can see that not working very well, no :)
[05:59] <Kalidarn> arand: i have a few more hours yet before i go home :) so i might just wait until im ready to leave
[05:59] <arand> MJEvans: desktop-alternate I would expect a rather huge delta.
[05:59] <arthurh> did the dontzap package make it into the lucid repos yet?
[05:59] <DanaG> !find trousers/tss.h
[06:00] <DanaG> wait, why did it remove the slash?
[06:00] <DanaG> !find tss.h
[06:00] <arand> Kalidarn: My vague guess is that it will be until afternoon/evening UTC, so might be  while still.
[06:01] <Kalidarn> right, thanks
[06:01] <DanaG> ah, libtspi-dev
[06:02] <quentusrex> which ubuntu release is based on debian lenny? or where do I go to find this info?
[06:03] <mosno> quentusrex, aren't they all snapshotted from sid?
[06:03] <crdlb> quentusrex: my understanding is that ubuntu is based on unstable
[06:03] <quentusrex> then since lenny released in jan 2010
[06:04] <quentusrex> I would say it would be safe for a lenny user to use a karmic ppa?
[06:04] <crdlb> not really
[06:04] <MJEvans> quentusrex: would it maybe work?  Yes.  Would it be known stable; very much no.
[06:05] <MJEvans> You'd find out very very quickly if it would let you install.  You'd probably never find out if it was the cause of instability or not.
[06:05] <crdlb> btw, lenny was frozen quite a long time ago
[06:09] <hiredgoon>
[06:12] <coldfire> what is the channel for the 10.4 release?
[06:13] <woodyjlw> its the 29th!
[06:13] <symptom> !Lucid
[06:16] <MJEvans> Wed Apr 28 22:16:32 PDT 2010
[06:16] <MJEvans> Still the 28th for me
[06:16] <MJEvans> Thu Apr 29 05:16:49 UTC 2010
[06:17] <MJEvans> About... 7 more hours till internation dateline expires all 28s
[06:17] <woodyjlw> 12:17 AM here
[06:17] <NinoScript> 1:17 here :P
[06:18] <woodyjlw> im in kansas city
[06:20] <NerdsMcGee> Hey guys, I just installed 10.04, and installed the nVidia restricted drivers on my MacBookPro5,5. When I boot now though, my boot resolution is very low. It was fine before I installed the nVidia drivers. Any ideas as to how I can fix this?
[06:23] <donpdonp> 10:23pm in oregon
[06:28] <underdev> after days of being pissed off and confused as to what keeps pinning my quadcore to 100% under lucid- i remembered top- it's gwibber-service
[06:29] <underdev> anyone else seeing this
[06:29] <underdev> ???
[06:29] <bullgard4> NerdsMcGee: I would look up this bug in Launchpad and any remedy there too.
[06:30] <pcrov> NerdsMcGee: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[06:30] <bullgard4> underdev: No. My gwibber-service works all right but I am using an old-fashioned Thinkpad T43 computer.
[06:31] <underdev> maybe it's x64 weirdness?  I used gwibber-daily forever under karmic and i don't remember this crap happening
[06:31] <NerdsMcGee> So Vesa = Highres Booting, and nVidia = lowres? :(
[06:32] <Viper1432> gwibber on my RC still chews memory like a pig and desktop couch still crashes a lot.  primetime it ain't imho.  no cpu nastiness though.
[06:32] <Viper1432> its why I'm using pino on my arch partition.
[06:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/505583
[06:32] <underdev> Viper1432: bullgard4 ty
[06:32] <DanaG> argh, I still have this issue:
[06:33] <tucemiux_> how can i update to the official release?
[06:33] <DanaG> as soon as I try to enter so much as one letter of my password, it says "login incorrect".
[06:33] <Viper1432> np underdev
[06:33] <Viper1432> it really REALLY knows you DanaG ?  :D
[06:33] <DanaG> And with serial console, it doesn't accept ctrl-d, either!
[06:34] <freezway> will ubuntu 10.04 have RGBA support by default?
[06:34] <Viper1432> iirc that was pushed back to 10.10 freezway
[06:34] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, Hey! I'm using 10.4 with a MacBookPro5,5 :D … btw, are you still here? you still have your problem?
[06:34] <NerdsMcGee> Yes, and Yes. :P
[06:34] <NinoScript> what was it?
[06:35] <NerdsMcGee> When you first booted, the ubuntu graphical loader was high res, right?
[06:35] <NerdsMcGee> I installed the nVidia restricted drivers and my high res went away. :(
[06:35] <underdev> no pino in Software Center
[06:35] <NinoScript> to me everything works (except the ctrl on the command key, because of a bug of xmodmap in lucid u.u)
[06:35] <underdev> nor apt-get
[06:35] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, there are 2 restricted drivers, which one did you install?
[06:36] <Viper1432> underdev,  check omgubuntu.co.uk for links for that.
[06:36] <NerdsMcGee> 195
[06:36] <freezway> will ubuntu 10.04 have RGBA support by default?
[06:36] <Viper1432> freezway, didn't you just see my reply to you on that?
[06:36] <underdev> omgubuntu- i lol'd
[06:36] <Viper1432> underdev, its a great site for 'all things ubuntu'.
[06:37] <freezway> Viper1432, no i didn';t
[06:37] <freezway> oh i c
[06:37] <Viper1432> freezway, that was pushed back.
[06:38] <jzacsh> progress?
[06:38] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, I use the one that says (version current) [Recommended], I don't see the 195 :P maybe it's the same?
[06:38] <Viper1432> underdev,  here's the link to the twitter reviews on that site:  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/twitter-applications-for-linux-ubuntu.html
[06:38] <silversk8r> hi everyone, any idea when the Final is getting out?
[06:38] <NerdsMcGee> Yeah, That's the one
[06:38] <underdev> reminds me of one of my favorite online poker players: OMGClayAiknen
[06:39] <Blue11> !nvidia
[06:39] <Viper1432> lol @ underdev
[06:39] <underdev> Viper- thanks for the link- reviewing
[06:39] <NerdsMcGee> NinoScript: I'm trying something out, gimme a sec.
[06:39] <Viper1432> no sweat underdev
[06:39] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, I had to update and restart before it actually worked… try that :D
[06:39] <dermoth> ubottu, I use the nvidis binary driver in 10.04
[06:40] <dermoth> ubottu, nv and nouveau both have issues for me :(
[06:40] <dermoth> lol
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> AHAH!
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> That
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> is what fixed it
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[06:41] <basix> Is it out yet?!
[06:41] <basix> Where the heck is the ubuntu release party??
[06:41] <pcrov> !outyet | basix
[06:41] <basix> its already the 29th on the east coast!!!
[06:42] <basix> geez...nobody is excited about lucid? I remember a lot more excitement for karmic!
[06:42] <arand> basix: note the *sometime*
[06:42] <digital_1> Is Mark Shuttleworth out of town?
[06:42] <pcrov> and the #ubuntu-release-party
[06:43] <basix> arand, yes, so it is *sometime* on 29th right *now*
[06:43] <digital_1> I saw a Lynx run out of the woods
[06:43] <pcrov> and it'll still be "sometime" on the 29th later too
[06:43] <underdev> basix i think there's a lot of ambivilance towards luic
[06:43] <underdev> lucid
[06:44] <digital_1> ubottu is a Lynx an animal?
[06:44] <basix> underdev, what does ambivilance mean?
[06:44] <Viper1432> good link NerdsMcGee .  too bad that couldn't have been 'fixed' without the hoops to go through.  (nvidia prop. user here as well.) meh.
[06:44] <digital_1> what hoops for nVidia users?
[06:45] <roxan> !isitout
[06:45] <Viper1432> to get hi-rez booting going digital_1 .
[06:45] <NerdsMcGee> It was really straight forward and works on Lucid, so no complaints.
[06:45] <Meeko> Is it possible to set up software raid with ubuntu live-cd on install?
[06:45] <digital_1> Viper1432:  As in lots of hoops?
[06:45] <underdev> basix
[06:45] <pcrov> yeah, i'm just happy there were hoops instead of walls
[06:46] <Viper1432> guys, that link NerdsMcGee  put up isn't a "lot" for folks who know the OS, but for a "grandma can do it" POV, its a lotta hoops for something that shouldn't have looked so crap in the first place.  my 2 cents.
[06:46] <underdev> basix it means i can't spell ambivalence
[06:46] <NerdsMcGee> It's not just nVidia users, ATI too
[06:46] <BiggFREE> Why does the RC 10.04 always locking ? It is really bad.
[06:46] <BiggFREE> It is always asking my password every 30 seconds.
[06:46] <NerdsMcGee> Agreed Viper1432
[06:46] <digital_1> NerdsMcGee what is the link again?
[06:47] <NerdsMcGee> Scroll up. ;)
[06:47] <digital_1> I just got here
[06:47] <NerdsMcGee> Ahh, lol
[06:47] <digital_1> Up is just a short distance
[06:47] <underdev>  the coexistence within an individual of positive and negative feelings toward the same person, object, or action, simultaneously drawing him or her in opposite directions.
[06:47] <NerdsMcGee> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[06:47] <pcrov> Viper1432: i started with ubuntu like a week ago and it was no sweat for me.
[06:47] <digital_1> Thanks!
[06:47] <Viper1432> pcrov, you can read.  congrats.  heh heh.  Most folks...don't much.  ;-)
[06:47] <underdev> yeah, closing gwibber has made my computer very happy
[06:48] <BiggFREE> Any available solution for my request ?
[06:48] <NerdsMcGee> Viper1432: what are you running at the moment?
[06:48] <Viper1432> If this release were a non LTS, I could see the low rez stuff...but for "polished"...its not.
[06:49] <digital_1> You know I read a Shuttleworth interview and he just didn't seem as excited about 10.4 as he was about 10.10
[06:49] <Viper1432> NerdsMcGee, I'm currently using Arch and ubuntu 10.04 RC....but more and more I'm on the arch partition, and less and less on the ubuntu side.
[06:49] <digital_1> So maybe they're kinda looking more forward than usual.
[06:49] <NerdsMcGee> Wonder how much a PITA Arch would be on a MBP. T_T
[06:49] <BiggFREE> Any tag about this auto  lock ?
[06:50] <pcrov> last time i tried getting a linux desktop running was like 8 years ago, so this RC ain't getting complaints outta me
[06:50] <arand> digital_1: Obviously, since all the exciting stuff happened a month ago...
[06:50] <digital_1> BigFree- locking every 30 seconds?
[06:50] <Viper1432> what's got me boggled is my arch partition + apps = 300 meg less than my ubuntu parition + same apps. I know 'why', but shocked me at first.
[06:50] <BiggFREE> yes
[06:51] <pcrov> BiggFREE: overzealous screensaver settings?
[06:51] <Viper1432> (ram is what I was referring to.)
[06:51] <leifw> where has notify-send gone in lucid, and what can I use instead?
[06:51] <digital_1> arand:  I think it was more along the lines that the LTS is always a bit conservative in features.
[06:51] <Ian_Corne> It's almost over again :)
[06:51] <BiggFREE> No active screensaver. Or it is blank.
[06:51] <digital_1> BiggFREE, I've not experienced that at all
[06:51] <arand> digital_1: I wouldn't claim Lucid was though, if you compare to Karmic..
[06:52] <donpdonp> whats the next release name after lucid lynx?
[06:52] <digital_1> arand:  Agree- at least asthetics
[06:52] <digital_1> Mercat
[06:52] <digital_1> or something along that
[06:52] <BiggFREE> Is it a bug according you ? pcrov
[06:52] <leifw> meerkat
[06:52] <digital_1> sorry yeah that
[06:52] <donpdonp> M* Meerkat?
[06:53] <Viper1432> meowing meercat?  -ducks.
[06:53] <underdev> oh god, not cats
[06:53] <leifw> maverick I think
[06:53] <digital_1> "ManWeScrewedUpWithTheNewThemes" Meerkat I think it is.
[06:53] <Viper1432> lmao digital_1
[06:53] <leifw> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/ubuntu-1010-to-be-codenamed-maverick-meerkat.ars
[06:53] <arand> Maverick Meerkat
[06:53] <donpdonp> Maverick Meerkat. cool
[06:54] <leifw> there is no notify-send or gnome-osd-client
[06:54] <leifw> this is super annoying
[06:54]  * arand dislikes the three-syllable ones.
[06:54] <underdev> lets call it snow leppard!  snotty snow leapord!
[06:54] <donpdonp> lol
[06:54] <underdev> leopard
[06:54] <Viper1432> Merrkbuntu.
[06:54] <underdev> dammit
[06:54] <arand> leifw: installed libnotify-bin?
[06:55] <leifw> arand: nope, thanks
[06:55] <BiggFREE> pcrov ... You solved my problem. Thanks
[06:55] <pcrov> yw
[06:55] <arand> leifw: at least that's the one for notify-send iirc
[06:56] <NinoScript> any other MacBook users here? (specially looking for MacBookPro5,5 users, but it would be nice to contact any Mac user out there :D)
[06:56] <leifw> it is, now I just have to figure out how to port gnome-osd-client's bizarre xml syntax to notify-osd
[06:56] <digital_1> NinoScript:  I have a Mac plus!
[06:57] <digital_1> But I doubt Linux would ever run on it.
[06:57] <NinoScript> digital_1, whoah! my first mac was an LCII, the mac plus is older than me :P
[06:58] <digital_1> Although someone got an Apple //e to send tweets I guess.
[06:58] <digital_1> NinoScript:  I grabbed it along with a //e for collectors items.
[06:58] <digital_1> I'd rather have had the original Mac but no dice.
[06:59] <Ian_Corne> flashplugin-nonfree broken for anyone else?
[06:59] <NinoScript> but I meant, one running linux :P
[07:00] <digital_1> How so Ian_Corne?
[07:00] <NinoScript> Ian_Corne, not here, just a little glitchy on playing video, but definetely not broken
[07:00] <BiggFREE> I am using Ubuntu as a VM.
[07:00] <Mikerhinos> hi all
[07:01] <Ian_Corne> NinoScript: I meant the package
[07:01] <digital_1> Hello Mikerhinos
[07:02] <BiggFREE> digital_1: ... Are you a bot ?
[07:02] <digital_1> Anyone running the last daily build?
[07:02] <Ian_Corne> I'm running a totaly uptodate system
[07:02] <Ian_Corne> that should be the same
[07:02] <digital_1> I've been accused of worse, BiggFREE :-D
[07:03] <BiggFREE> lol  Sorry :(
[07:03] <digital_1> lol tis ok
[07:03] <Mikerhinos> digital_1, i am
[07:03] <underdev> Ian_Corne: someone was complaining about it this morning too - how did you install it, may i ask?
[07:04] <digital_1> Mikerhinos:  Cool.  All went well with the install?
[07:04] <underdev> Ian_Corne: (its working for most, btw)
[07:04] <digital_1> Ian_Corne - 32 or 64bit?
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> underdev: it works for me
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> 32 but
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> bit*
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> I just can't upgrade the package
[07:05] <underdev> oic
[07:05] <Ian_Corne> And I installed it 3 years ago or so :p
[07:05] <Ian_Corne> via apt, ofcource
[07:05] <Mikerhinos> oh sorry i didn't understood , i meant i'm running the latest lucid but it is alpha2 with daily patches in fact
[07:06] <leifw> can someone help me test this by sending me a message?
[07:06] <digital_1> It looked to me as if the last daily build in 9.10 became the release
[07:06] <leifw> as in, just say something with my nick in it
[07:06] <rww> leifw: no
[07:06] <Mikerhinos> and i have problems with metacity i think , i don't have cursor nor windows borders until i activate compiz effects
[07:07] <leifw> rww: you're wonderful
[07:07] <Mikerhinos> Lucid is still arriving today ?
[07:07] <rww> Mikerhinos: It's still scheduled for the 29th, yes
[07:09] <Mikerhinos> cool , i think i'll burn the final image and do a fresh install this evening so , because i have a few problems , like broken tty
[07:09] <digital_1> Do they always release on a Thursday?  I can't seem to recall.
[07:10] <echosystm> is 10.04 still due to come out today?
[07:10] <donpdonp> if i go to sleep, will the ubuntu fairy make 10.04 available when i wake up?
[07:10] <Lilarcor> I can't type anything under my LL VM under fusion!
[07:10] <leifw> donpdonp: yes, of course
[07:10] <Lilarcor> what the hell is going on?
[07:10] <rww> echosystm: if by "today" you mean the 29th, yes
[07:10] <echosystm> or has there been an official announcement that it has been delayred or anything?
[07:10] <echosystm> ok
[07:10] <donpdonp> leifw: yea!
[07:10] <echosystm> is it usually at the start or end of the day that they release?
[07:10] <echosystm> and in what timezone? :P
[07:11] <BiggFREE> bbl
[07:11] <BiggFREE> tc
[07:11] <maco> echosystm: at some point while it is the 29th in some timezone
[07:11] <echosystm> i have to go away tomorrow and it would have been nice to get 10.04 installed on my laptop before i leave
[07:11] <echosystm> is the current beta fairly stable?
[07:11] <DanaG> Wed Apr 28 23:11:48 PDT 2010
[07:11] <digital_1> echosystm:  yes
[07:12] <digital_1> imho
[07:12] <echosystm> ok
[07:12] <DanaG> echosystm: still, if you're about to go away from other computers, it's better to err on the side of caution.
[07:12] <digital_1> I never bothered to load the RC.  Beta was pretty stable.
[07:12] <pcrov> working well here, echosystm
[07:12] <DanaG> Or at least, make sure you have a working Windows or other Linux partition.
[07:13] <echosystm> is there a netinstall cd, so i can be sure it only sucks down the latest files?
[07:13] <echosystm> i dont want to install off a cd then have it updating again
[07:13] <DanaG> You can just upgrade your existing distro to Lucid, though that'll take a while.
[07:13] <echosystm> i dont have ubuntu installed currently
[07:13] <echosystm> only debian
[07:13] <digital_1> bah do a clean install
[07:14] <maco> DanaG: not like much if anythig is going to change between now and tomorrow
[07:14] <digital_1> never upgrade an OS IMHO.
[07:14] <maco> DanaG: archive's been frozen for a couple days now. they're spinning ISOs
[07:14] <DanaG> I have too many tweaks I'd lose if I'd fresh-install.
[07:14] <echosystm> so point remains - is there a netinstall cd?
[07:16] <power> hi,probably this is asked 526326 times, is there a way to get iso of release (iirc it was scheduled for today)
[07:16] <Meeko> !raid
[07:16] <DanaG> !netinst
[07:16] <DanaG> !netinstall
[07:16] <NerdsMcGee> How exactly do I restart HAL in Lucid? It's depreciated, no?
[07:18] <Ian_Corne> echosystm: You can update the installer
[07:24] <kwtm> Just had an epiphany which I will share so the rest of you won't waste hours trying to get KMail running.
[07:26] <pakete> hey all
[07:27] <pakete> is it coming today???
[07:27] <Meeko> Yes.
[07:27] <pakete> 10.04 final?
[07:27] <Meeko> Yes.
[07:27] <pakete> netbook remix also?
[07:27] <Meeko> I would assume that, yes.
[07:27] <pakete> no bugs with plymouth?
[07:27] <power> it looks like the mirrors are getting their copies, i guess.
[07:27] <KeithWeisshar> what time will ubuntu 10.04 be officially released?
[07:27] <pakete> i mean well...hopefully
[07:28] <pakete> looking fwd...about 12GMT or later
[07:28] <Meeko> KeithWeisshar: Today.
[07:28] <Lilarcor> anybody get LL working under Fusion?
[07:28] <Lilarcor> I can't type anything!
[07:29] <k00giez> w00t
[07:29] <k00giez> where the party at
[07:29] <k00giez> tonight is the release night?
[07:29] <digital_1> Jono Bacon's garage
[07:30] <pakete> we should all celebrate!!
[07:30] <KeithWeisshar> i'm in the united states
[07:30] <Mikerhinos> anybody has a wacom bamboo tablet ? i need to reconfigure buttons on gimp , but i can't install the control panel .deb because there is not wacom-tools dependance in synaptic :s
[07:30] <pakete> this ine is a hell of a release! it doesnt matter where you are. all celebrate!
[07:30] <rww> k00giez: #ubuntu-release-party
[07:30] <vish> KeithWeisshar: there is no specific time set , but today for sure  ;)
[07:31] <KeithWeisshar> what's the time difference between edt and ubuntu.com time zone
[07:31] <rww> KeithWeisshar: there isn't an "ubuntu.com time zone"
[07:32] <KeithWeisshar> should i get the 64-bit version if i have a lot of ram
[07:34] <PythonPup> KeithWeisshar, to use more than 3.5 gigs of RAM, you need the 64 bit version.
[07:35] <PythonPup> But, a few things don't work on the 64 bit version.  Nothing I care about, but maybe something you care about.  That is what you should check, KeithWeisshar
[07:35] <HagenaarsDotNu> PythonPup: if you're running on an Intel 945 chipset, the 64 bit version will not help
[07:36] <PythonPup> So, check that, too, KeithWeisshar.  I don't use systems that new, or have that much ram.  I could go 64 bit, but see no real reason to.
[07:37] <KeithWeisshar> i have 12gb of ram
[07:37] <KeithWeisshar> i have an x58 chipset
[07:37] <DanaG> .
[07:37] <vish> whaaaaaaaaaaT!
[07:37] <HagenaarsDotNu> hmm, that's a lot of ram
[07:39] <vish> heh , i was expecting a KeithWeisshar to say "No, wait , its actually 2gb" ;p
[07:39] <HagenaarsDotNu> :)
[07:39] <PythonPup> KeithWeisshar, do you have any reason to believe your new motherboard will work with Lucid?  I am not saying it won't, but new chipset drivers take some time.
[07:41] <crdlb> I should probably install these updates before the servers get swamped
[07:42] <Meeko> Does UNR have a textbased install, like the ubuntu desktop alternative cd's?
[07:42] <amereservant> Is there something I have to do to be able to choose what installs from the mini install?  It never prompts me to choose what packages I want.
[07:43] <amereservant> I don't get the option to choose what desktop etc. I want.  It finishes and has only installed the CLI, no gnome.
[07:43] <HagenaarsDotNu> KeithWeisshar: Have a look at post 6 and 7 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7209584#6
[07:44] <HagenaarsDotNu> especially the PAE part
[07:44] <vish> HagenaarsDotNu: he aint here ..
[07:45] <NinoScript> amereservant, I thought that was were you chose, in the CLI do a sudo apt-get install ?buntu-desktop
[07:45] <NinoScript> amereservant, replacing U or KU or XU where the ? is. I think that should do it
[07:46] <NinoScript> amereservant, or at least, that's what I would do, I'm no expert :)
[07:46] <amereservant> NinoScript: Well sometimes I get the option while installing the mini image.
[07:47] <amereservant> It actually has a menu where you select it.
[07:47] <amereservant> But for some reason it usually skips that menu.
[07:48] <kwtm> Since I am already using Lucid Lynx, I can spoil it all for the rest of you guys by asking "Is it out yet?" yet another time, right PartyBot?
[07:48] <vish> how do i find my PCI card ADDR  ?
[07:49] <NinoScript> amereservant, Should it appear at the start? I think with Lucid CDs, when you see a little keyboard and a guy in the bottom of the screen, you should press something so the menu appears
[07:49] <vish> kwtm: looks like you want   #ubuntu-release-party   ;)
[07:49] <Mikerhinos> anyone knows how to configure buttons on a wacom tablet with lucid ? i'm left hand , so when i press the stylus on the tablet , it is considered as right clic and opens the menu :s
[07:50] <kwtm> vish: Oh, darn, I was spoiling the wrong party!    The menu usually appears after creating a user and before installing Grub.
[07:52] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, That should be under mouse preferences.  I am rebooting my lucid system and I'll check in a moment.
[07:53] <Mikerhinos> PythonPup, thanks
[07:54] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, System/Preference/Mouse.  It should show the option for left hand when it comes up.
[07:55] <Meeko> !/boot
[07:55] <blue102> is the final release out yet
[07:55] <Jeeves_> nope
[07:55] <blue102> when ?
[07:55] <Meeko> blue102: Today.
[07:55] <Mikerhinos> PythonPup,  yes for the mouse , but for the wacom tablet ? do you have a dedicated menu ? i don't :s
[07:56] <Meeko> blue102: ask in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:56] <Meeko> *silent evil laugh*
[07:56] <blue102> is it for download yet
[07:56] <Blue11> !nvidia
[07:56] <Meeko> Yes.
[07:56] <Meeko> !rc | blue102
[07:57] <blue102> have the link
[07:57] <Meeko> !download | blue102
[07:58] <blue102> ubuntu server as well
[07:58] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, I assumed the Wacom was acting as your mouse.  I don't have a tablet, so I guess I don't know how it shows up.  Sorry.  There might be a xorg.conf tweak.  If you don't find a setting, that is where I would look.  Edit that file, with caution.
[07:59] <blue102> thanks guys
[07:59] <Daijoubu> Are there going to be magor changes for the final release today O_o i mean will i have trouble with the RC install?
[08:00] <Mikerhinos> PythonPup, yes that's the problem : wacom is acting like my mouse , so left and right click are switched. That's what i want with my mouse (i'm left hand) but not the wacom pen , as when i press it on the tablet , it doesn't draw anything but opens right clic menu :s
[08:00] <shawnboy> This is probably been asked a hundred times, but will Lucid definitely be available Apr 29 and if so does anyone know what time?
[08:00] <Meeko> Daijoubu: Probly not, just run an update.
[08:00] <Daijoubu> Meeko, phew thanks ^^
[08:00] <shawnboy> all I can find is RC
[08:00] <Meeko> shawnboy: Becaouse it's the last release.
[08:01] <Meeko> !release date | shawnboy
[08:01] <Meeko> !release | shawnboy
[08:01] <Meeko> hmmz
[08:01] <PythonPup> shawnboy, the schedule is not until the night of the 29th.  I don't speak for the team, so I don't know what time it will really be.
[08:02] <shawnboy> PythonPup, I never understood if that meant now (it's 29th and is nighttime) or the eve of 29th.
[08:02] <PythonPup> At the end of the day on the 29th
[08:03] <shawnboy> I understand. Thanks, PythonPup.
[08:06] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, wacom looks to be officially supported.  There is an official xserver package for it.  Sorry, I don't know more.
[08:08] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, If you don't find anything else, I'd try the xorg.conf tweak listed in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25151   The message is old, but it looks pretty generic.  Don't install the package they mention.  That seems to be depracated.
[08:08] <pakete> hey all
[08:09] <Meeko> Not yet, pakete =)
[08:09] <pakete> mein gott
[08:09] <pakete> how long!
[08:09] <Mikerhinos> yes wacom-tools doesn't exist on lucid , too bad , because that's what i need to install the button configuration tool .deb i found :s
[08:10] <Meeko> pakete: The release date is today. When today is tomorrow you can ask again (thats on international dateline).
[08:10] <Meeko> or when today is yesterday is probly better.
[08:11] <pakete> i celebrated yesterday, i am going to celebrate today and will re-celebrate tomorrow!
[08:11] <pakete> lucid lynx is worth celebrating every day and night =)))) lol maybe
[08:14] <cjae> 10.04 available?
[08:14] <Kalidarn> cjae: probably not until later today
[08:14] <Kalidarn> it's currently 7:14AM UTC
[08:15] <cjae> ahh
[08:17] <iceroot> 10.04 still using init-scripts or are they complety removed for startup?
[08:18] <Jeeves_> iceroot: Partially
[08:18] <Jeeves_> Unfortunatly
[08:18] <iceroot> hm
[08:18] <Jeeves_> It's kindof confusing now
[08:18] <iceroot> not good for an lts-version to mix something important like that (imo)
[08:18] <cjae> where is canonical located
[08:18] <Jeeves_> Some packages still leave files in /etc/default, which aren't used
[08:18] <Jeeves_> iceroot: I agree
[08:18] <Jeeves_> Canonical doesn't :)
[08:19] <Jeeves_> cjae: Uk, Us.
[08:19] <Guest16373> I tried using jigdo-lite to download the 10.04 RC source DVD -- it fails with 96 source files missing.
[08:19] <iceroot> maybe i will have a look today at 10.04 in a vm to see if it is worth upgrading
[08:20] <cjae> thanks
[08:20] <amereservant> So far I like it quite a bit better than 9.10.
[08:20] <amereservant> Some very nice improvements.
[08:20] <RnFstRuckHrd> I am sure I am to 1 x 10 ^96 person to ask this but...... when will we all get to upgrade?
[08:21] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: Next week, it's been delayed due to too many asking.
[08:21] <iceroot> RnFstRuckHrd: when its done
[08:21] <PythonPup> RnFstRuckHrd, I already upgraded.
[08:21] <amereservant> They got nervous and withheld it an additional week.
[08:22] <PythonPup> If you install the RC, and then do the updates, it gets you to the same setup.
[08:22] <RnFstRuckHrd> Amereservant/iceroot - TY ;-)      |        PythonPup - LUCKY!!!!!
[08:22] <PythonPup> Lucid is nice.  You'll like it.
[08:22] <amereservant> PythonPup: Ohhh, that's what all those updates just earlier were all about.
[08:23] <RnFstRuckHrd> I have the RC on my laptop - but it has not gotten any updates :-s
[08:23] <nishanth> does anyone know if the final release of  lucid is out?
[08:24] <amereservant> Nope, they're waiting another week.
[08:24] <amereservant> nishanth: ^^
[08:24] <Jeeves_> :)
[08:24] <RnFstRuckHrd> I have only been a complete linux (kubuntu) user for 5 months now so this will be my first big upgrade. Will downloading an .iso to make an install disk take forever due to the demand tomorrow?
[08:24] <amereservant> Check back then and it'll be there.
[08:24] <Guest16373> RnFstRuckHrd, use BitTorrent to download it.  Having lots of people downloading it at the same time will make it faster, not slower.
[08:24] <amereservant> Nah, not very many people will be downloading 9.10 now.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> Just update using the update manager
[08:25] <PythonPup> RnFstRuckHrd, Just do a torrent download of the RC iso.  I and a lot of other people are seeding it and it will come down fast.  Or, be patient and wait a week.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> you don't need the whole iso
[08:25] <amereservant> 10.04 next week will be another story.
[08:25] <RnFstRuckHrd> I figured as much for the bitorrent method - but what about the mirrors? just not sure how they work
[08:25] <nishanth> i thought they said april 29th
[08:25] <Jeeves_> and there'll always be packages you need to download
[08:25] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> nishanth: It is :)
[08:25] <Jeeves_> amereservant is messing around :)
[08:25] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: It's peer-to-peer sharing.
[08:26] <nishanth> so is it out?
[08:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - mirrors??
[08:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> nishanth - NOT YET
[08:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> 1 wk
[08:26] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: No, bittorrent.
[08:26] <nishanth> ok
[08:26] <nishanth> waiting.........
[08:26] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: No mirrors involved in that.
[08:26] <amereservant> Yeah, check back next week and it'll for sure be here.
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> right - but can a mirror only handle one anounce at a time? or is it only limited by the connection speed of the mirror and the person downlaoding?
[08:27] <amereservant> That is if all of humanity doesn't end before then.
[08:27] <ph0xide> in how many hours will be released
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> LOL
[08:27] <amereservant> ph0xide: 72 hours.
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> 148
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> hrs that is
[08:27] <PythonPup> ph0xide, I predict the number will fit in a small int.
[08:27] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:28] <ph0xide> PythonPup, u had the smartest answer
[08:28] <RnFstRuckHrd> fact
[08:28] <ph0xide> :)
[08:28] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, can you click? can you move? :O
[08:28] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: Since they're all up in some cloud computing business, I don't think they'll have any issues with download server loads.
[08:29]  * RnFstRuckHrd formats laptop and desktop to Gutsy Gib. - I always wanted a stable release!
[08:30] <amereservant> I was watching a Youtube video on the Spring Board manager for iPhone/iTouch and I cried when I realized it had to be compiled with no instructions on how to do so.  What a tease.
[08:31] <amereservant> The guy shows it off and yet it's not done in time to be in the 10.04 release.  He should be kicked.
[08:31] <ojii> my keyboard on my lucid notebook stopped working today, and after logging in using the on-board keyboard the touchpad also stops working, anyone have an idea what I could do?
[08:32] <amereservant> Eat a banana.  That's what I"m fixing to do.  Not sure if it'll help your keyboard issue though.
[08:32] <RnFstRuckHrd> ojii - just wait for the updates
[08:33] <ojii> RnFstRuckHrd, i'll try updating using SSH
[08:33] <ojii> god bless ssh!
[08:33] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: How's he going to get them if he has no keyboard?
[08:33] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:33] <amereservant> NM, he answered.
[08:33] <ojii> :D
[08:33] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol
[08:33] <ojii> but yea
[08:33] <ojii> that would've been something to consider
[08:33] <b0w> ojii erase everything! wait for a new clean fresh aromatic install of th final version
[08:33] <ojii> b0w, not really an option
[08:33] <RnFstRuckHrd> remote desktop via telepathy
[08:33] <RnFstRuckHrd> what? you cant do that???
[08:34] <ojii> can I start synergy over ssh?
[08:34] <amereservant> b0w: That's my solution.  Backup what I need, reformat it til it works.
[08:34] <b0w> yeah thats the mose healthy thing to do
[08:34] <b0w> it walywas lkike this on new releases
[08:34] <b0w> you have to wait like 1 week or two
[08:35] <amereservant> It's the only way I know to fix Windows' sluggish ways after a year or so.
[08:35] <ojii> wewt for ynergy
[08:35] <b0w> and then everything is fixed
[08:35] <RnFstRuckHrd> when I was on XP I formated every 6 months - glad those days are over
[08:35] <bbordwell> RnFstRuckHrd, +!
[08:35] <bbordwell> +1
[08:36] <amereservant> Yeah.  I'm hoping Windows 7 holds more promise.  It's looking a little better than Vista so far, but not by much.
[08:36] <PythonPup> Has anyone here used the btrfs on Lucid?  If so, what do you think of it?
[08:36] <pcrov> somehow i managed to run xp, and actually upgrade to vista, and keep that going fine on 2 comps for years (still going fine, actually) without wiping/reinstalling
[08:36] <amereservant> I just hate how much it bogs my boxes down over time.
[08:37] <bbordwell> pcrov, My windows install last forever now that i never use it
[08:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> going home to introduce my parents to Kub 10.04 when I can get my install CD downloaded. They are done with paying for AV software and other apps. Pretty excited to see them explore a new OS, they are not tech savvy at all but had no problem getting around my 9.04 laptop I let them try out
[08:38] <amereservant> pcrov: Hmmm.  I have to wipe Vista about 18-24 months to "refresh" it.  I do like Vista over all previous versions though.   I installed xubuntu on my uncle's new gf's ancient hardware (p3 800mhz 192MB RAM) Running XP with no service packs before.
[08:39] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: :P i meant more lik e10 hours, 2 hours, 5 hours, …
[08:39] <amereservant> pcrov: I think the issue all comes down to people buying junky cheap computers and wanting a Ferrari from it.
[08:40] <RnFstRuckHrd> I was more then pleased with how XP ran on my desktop and laptop machines. I was just curious what all of this linux business was about. I liek what I saw and liked that I could stop pirating software ;-)
[08:40] <pcrov> amereservant: that and folk loading their comps up with every flashy "screensaver" that lands in their inbox
[08:40] <misse-> amereservant: :P why would you want to buy any computer just to run vista on it? I wouldn't even use a computer with vista on it if it was given to me for free.
[08:40] <amereservant> LOL, yeah, no joke.
[08:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittl: it will be sometime in the next week. Just freeze yourself like Eric Cartman did when he was waiting for the Wii - it worked for him
[08:41] <bbordwell> pcrov, the biggest problem is all the bloat that major OEMs put on their windows machines
[08:41] <amereservant> misse-: Everyone has their opinions.  There are some things I still just cannot do as efficiently in Linux as much as I love it, as I can in Windows.
[08:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse: WOW no service packs. what was that like lol
[08:41] <amereservant> Otherwise I would've ditched it a while back.
[08:42] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant: I agree - emulating win in linux is not as good as just having a machine run win
[08:42] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: sometimes next week? it's today -.-
[08:42] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: couldn't connect to the wifi since XP didn't know what WPA was :P "The network is using a secure WEP encryption" :P .. no it wasn't and no it's not (wep, being secure) :)
[08:42] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse: LOL! yikes
[08:42] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: Nah, it doesn't work if you try running video-editing software or games.
[08:43] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittle - patience is a virtue
[08:43] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - most certainly true
[08:43] <misse-> amereservant: Agreed, but there are much better versions of windows available then vista. I would argue that XP's better.. but I think you'll atleast agree that W7 is a much better OS than vista was when it was released.
[08:43] <RnFstRuckHrd> I tried emulatiing EAC - fail
[08:43] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: i was just asking. i'v been using it anyway for months now
[08:43] <knittl> s/now/already/
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittl: I am not riding you - I am here for the same thing. I was just asking the same Q in fact not more than 20 mins ago. I am just here now because I am too giddy with excitment to sleep.
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> seriously
[08:44] <knittl> lol
[08:44] <knittl> it's 9 am here
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> :-p
[08:44] <pcrov> bring photoshop and bridge natively to linux (w/ 64 bit support) and i could probably switch over completely. but there's no way i can settle on the gimp.
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> its 01:44 here
[08:45] <amereservant> misse-: Well, in some cases.  I like Vista and up because of the 64-bit.  XP 64-bit was a joke.  I do like some things better about Windows 7, but there's some things they should've left alone.  XP was and is light, but the extra features Vista has was a big improvement for my needs.
[08:45] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: i think you can go to sleep
[08:45]  * RnFstRuckHrd pleads for the adobe suite - primarily LightRoom
[08:45] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: idd ^^. I should've almost donated a clone of the partition to a museum or something.. don't think there can be much XP installs out there without even SP1
[08:45] <knittl> it was usually released around 6 pm here
[08:45] <amereservant> My box has 8GB RAM and therefore anything less than Vista wouldn't do me any good.
[08:46] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse: fact
[08:46] <misse-> amereservant: oh, totally agree on the XP 64bit part ^^.
[08:46] <sharky> I ended the MS money machine in 07, do I use MS and there apps Yep I paid for it , I wont pay any more
[08:46] <SandGorgon> amereservant, seriously (and I will be committing heresy here)... just drop vista and take win7 atleast. Your life on the other side, would be that much less miserable
[08:46] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: No kidding....LightRoom.  That's a Godsend when it comes to editing large numbers of photos.
[08:47] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - vista wouldnt do you any good either. you need the CS4 master collection in its entirety running simultaneously to use all of that mem
[08:47] <SandGorgon> the only reason for windows is..... TF2
[08:47] <misse-> SandGorgon: doesn't run in wine?
[08:47] <amereservant> SandGorgon: Oh, I am.  I'm running 7 on three PCs now to see how it plays out.
[08:47] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - absolutely
[08:47] <SandGorgon> misse-, performance suffers... i hae an old nvidia 7xxx
[08:48] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: LOL, that RAM was my way of combating my tendency to overload my PC with too much heavy multi-tasking.
[08:48] <misse-> SandGorgon: oh, want another one? Just dumped my old P4 with dual 7xxxGTX in SLI.. Never got the SLI to function under linux
[08:48] <pcrov> RnFstRuckHrd: i often work with source images that are half a gig each.. throw some layers on that and it adds up quick. 8gig mem definitely comes in use here
[08:48] <RnFstRuckHrd> does anyone here have a a dock app preference? I gave cairo dock a shot today - best expereince so far (offtopic I know) how about a dock preference for Kub 10.04 ;-)
[08:49] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant: haha!
[08:49] <amereservant> Plus it was really cheap and my motherboard could handle it so why not?
[08:49] <amereservant> My newest box is another story.  DDR3 is a little pricey.
[08:49] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: tried it yesterday and am still using it. Was using docky or gnome-do with docky before and I must say cairo is a great alternative.. most noticable is the notification animation that doesn't just run once and then has an invisible little red glow beneath it.
[08:50] <bbordwell> RnFstRuckHrd, cairo dock is what i liked, i do not use one though
[08:50] <RnFstRuckHrd> pcrov: all my photos are imported in RAW  -  never more then two or three layers during editing. 4 gigs works for me. Not saying I wouldnt love 8 just for funzzies!
[08:50] <misse-> it keeps spinning or bouncing until I notice it, that's perfect
[08:50] <Noble> Will Lucid be relased today?
[08:50] <amereservant> Noble: Nope, major defect.
[08:50] <amereservant> Check back next week.
[08:51] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse/bbordwell: TY - cairo is in front for me. I do honestly like the K Menu though but docks a pretty
[08:51] <bbordwell> amereservant, the memory leak?
[08:51] <amereservant> Yeah.
[08:51] <pcrov> RnFstRuckHrd: scanning film, much of it medium format. 8 lets me check my email while working on that :)
[08:51] <amereservant> It's spilling all over the place.
[08:51] <RnFstRuckHrd> Noble - 4/29/2010 + 7 days
[08:51] <Noble> Roger that.
[08:51] <Noble> Is it the X-issue thats keeping it?
[08:51] <bbordwell> RnFstRuckHrd, So will it be called 10.05? lol
[08:51] <RnFstRuckHrd> pcrov: NICE!  well there you go :-p
[08:51] <amereservant> We're trying to get the problem mopped up though.
[08:52] <RnFstRuckHrd> bbordwell - no, 10.0499999999999999999999999999999999
[08:52] <amereservant> Noble: yeah, we're re-verting to the X in 9.10 for now.
[08:52] <RnFstRuckHrd> sorry 10.04.999999999999999999999999999999
[08:52] <bbordwell> amereservant, do you know if it will be fixed or if they are going to pull the change that introduced the bug?
[08:52] <Noble> amereservant: According to the bugreport there is a fix out there, or am I missunderstanding?
[08:52] <amereservant> bbordwell: We're scrapping the whole X for 10.04 because of it.
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey huckle barry
[08:53] <amereservant> End of story.
[08:53] <ojii> is there a way to prevent gwibber from jumping to top all the time when I'm reading stuff further down?
[08:53] <LucidFox> I just did a fresh install for Lucid, and the Install button in the Software Center isn't working
[08:53] <arand> RnFstRuckHrd: Hardly, 10.04.1 is reserved for the point-update...
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> should I even dare joining #ubuntu-releaseparty?
[08:53] <LucidFox> Any ideas?
[08:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> arand - I joke
[08:53] <LucidFox> I just press it and nothing happens, apt-get install works fine
[08:53] <amereservant> Server will go on to 10.04 and so will the core of the Desktop/netbook, but the X will be 9.10
[08:53] <misse-> amereservant: that spoils my day somewhat. but hey, it's a valid decision to postpone the relase, the bug is kinda showstopping :P
[08:54] <amereservant> LMBO!!!
[08:54] <Noble> amereservant: What featuers will be removed from the current 10.04 X?
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> Noble: why do you expect anything to be removed?
[08:54] <amereservant> Man, I'm jerking your legs.
[08:54] <arand> RnFstRuckHrd: Of course, but jokes can also be perfected ;)
[08:54] <pcrov> well played, amereservant
[08:54] <Noble> Yeah, you got me.
[08:54] <RnFstRuckHrd> arand - just deposited that one in the bank! ;-P
[08:54] <amereservant> LOL!!!
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> !OT
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> !links
[08:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> foul
[08:55] <Heliwr> perhaps I misjudged the purpose of this channel, are we supposed to all be total feminine hygiene products and mislead everyone about the release date?
[08:55] <LucidFox> "all be total feminine hygiene products"?
[08:55] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:56] <RnFstRuckHrd> wtf?
[08:56] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: If this annoys you? Stay five miles from #ubuntu-release-party :-)
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> !coc | Heliwr
[08:56] <bullgard4> Heliwr: Don't talk rubbish, please.
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: I plan too
[08:57] <Heliwr> every person coming in here asking when lucid will be released is being told to check back next week
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> but I'm here to provide support
[08:57] <LucidFox> Oh, and also
[08:57] <Bunbury> morning a;;
[08:57] <Bunbury> all
[08:57] <RnFstRuckHrd> Heliwr - theya re being told that it will be available then = TRUE
[08:57] <Heliwr> it will be available within 24 hours
[08:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> and also in 7 days
[08:58] <Bunbury> so countdown now says soon lol
[08:58] <LucidFox> In the restricted driver manager, when I press Activate, it says
[08:58] <LucidFox> "You are not authorized to perform this action."
[08:58] <LucidFox> Any ideas?
[08:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> morning BunBury
[08:58] <LucidFox> Sounds like a PolicyKit problem
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Heliwr: please stop trolling! redirect your burst of energy to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:58] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:58] <bbordwell> LucidFox, did it ask your password when you opened jockey?
[08:58] <LucidFox> No
[08:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> BUGabundo_remote - +1
[08:59] <LucidFox> It used to ask for it when I pressed Activate, before reinstall
[08:59] <amereservant> On that note....
[08:59] <bbordwell> LucidFox, well did it ask for it at all?
[09:00] <LucidFox> No
[09:00] <LucidFox> Just said I'm not authorized
[09:00] <bbordwell> LucidFox, try "gksu jockey-gtk"
[09:00] <mk4> say me. please. where(which site) i can get exact information about ubuntu release date?
[09:01] <LucidFox> That's a hack...
[09:01] <LucidFox> I want to get PolicyKit working
[09:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> does anyone know if mounted filesystems (through a SMB share) will stay that way thorugh my upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04?
[09:01] <bbordwell> mk4, today sometime
[09:01] <LucidFox> Meanwhile, Update Manager does correctly ask me for the password, and updates with no errors
[09:02] <RnFstRuckHrd> LucidFox - progress ;-)
[09:02] <mk4> bbordwell, thanks
[09:04] <RnFstRuckHrd> right well, off to spend the rest of my wait it peaceful slumber. night all - see you on the 10.04 side
[09:04] <LucidFox> What else uses PolicyKit that I can try?
[09:04] <LucidFox> Network Manager?
[09:05] <LucidFox> Okay, the user/group manager: pressing Add does nothing
[09:06] <LucidFox> Definitely a PolicyKit problem
[09:06] <LucidFox> And it was fine before I reinstalled Lucid from the RC ISO
[09:07] <JohnFlux> LucidFox: you can try system activity as well - ctrl+esc  and try to kill a process that you don't own
[09:07] <rob__944> Is there a way to disable the 'waiting' cursor? It's kind of annoying, because when I open Firefox or Open a file with Audacious it keeps waiting for about 10 seconds, even if the application is loaded withing a sec.
[09:07] <LucidFox> Ctrl-Esc does nothing
[09:07] <JohnFlux> LucidFox: oh, not KDE?
[09:07] <LucidFox> GNOME
[09:07] <JohnFlux> LucidFox: sorry dunno
[09:10] <allo> hi
[09:10] <allo> if any dev is here ...
[09:10] <allo> http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting#Apparmor is still an issue in lucid rc with all updates installed
[09:10] <LucidFox> ...Oh wait
[09:10] <LucidFox> policykit isn't even *installed*
[09:11] <LucidFox> which is weird
[09:13] <arand> allo: Maybe... But ask away, anyway.
[09:13] <SandGorgon> allo, disable akonadi and ur computer will work faster
[09:13] <Mandrew> hiya ppl
[09:14] <LucidFox> ...policykit is in universe?
[09:14] <LucidFox> How does it make any sense?
[09:14] <Mandrew> at what time do they release the 10.04?
[09:14] <Bunbury> 2500 hours
[09:14] <Bunbury> :P j/k
[09:15] <Mandrew> nice need to get a new watch then
[09:15] <Mandrew> maybe one with the brand name of Bunbury
[09:16] <Bunbury> lol that would be a priceless timepiece
[09:16] <Mandrew> naa timeless ;)
[09:16] <Bunbury> lol
[09:18] <SandGorgon> does anybody know of any archiving/compress manager other than Ark for kubuntu 10.04... it really, really sucks compared to Gnome's file-roller
[09:25] <rob__418> Is there a command to rename all files in a directory to random names?
[09:25] <Ruscour7> not that i'm aware of, a script could do it though
[09:26] <rob__418> could you assist me with that? I'm not familiar with Linux...
[09:26] <RomD> rob__418: do you know a scripting language like ruby or python?
[09:26] <rob__418> No, sorry
[09:27] <RomD> well, that would have helped
[09:27] <tavasti> rob__418, do they need to be random, or is just running number ok?
[09:27] <progre55> !outyet?
[09:27] <progre55> !outyet
[09:27] <rob__418> tavasti: Number is fine, anything.
[09:27] <kwtm> rob__418: Why, yes there is.  Do you need it?
[09:28] <FeasibilityStudy> Come on, some dev here needs to send me the .iso.
[09:28] <rob__418> kwtm: Do I need what? Sorry my English is not the best.
[09:29] <kwtm> rob__418: Oh.  What language, then?  You asked "is there a program to rename a file to random names"
[09:29] <rob__418> kwtm: German :), yes that's what I need.
[09:40] <yellabs> hello there
[09:40] <yellabs> is the release today?
[09:40] <pirx> yellabs: i am waiting for it too
[09:41] <yellabs> is there some trouble , that its not out yet?
[09:41] <l3on> is there a dedicated channel ?
[09:41] <pirx> if there will be a delay, i hope they write about it on the webpage
[09:41] <yellabs> i have the time, so its not really a problem
[09:41] <yellabs> might be a time difference?
[09:42] <yellabs> thats causing the delay?
[09:43] <yellabs> pirx : we can start by reading about 10.04
[09:43] <yellabs> there is an very nice pdf book, have you seen it?
[09:44] <pirx> yellabs: nope
[09:44] <yellabs> okey, i sent it ?
[09:44] <yellabs> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ubuntu-manual-beta.pdf
[09:45] <yellabs> really cool project, dont you think?
[09:45] <yellabs> hmm, just love open source
[09:45] <pirx> thye only thing i will need to know is 1. how do i change so that the window buttons are on the right side, and 2. will a 10.04 server beta be able to be upgraded to the final version without problems :)
[09:46] <yellabs> for the first question , bookmark this page here
[09:46] <yellabs> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[09:46] <yellabs> you can also print it to an pdf file, and read it later
[09:47] <yellabs> for the second, back up all data of your server, then upgrade, this is ,and will alway's be a tricky thing to do...no ,matter what brand you are using
[09:48] <yellabs> if you are not in a hurry, i would wait untill
[09:48] <yellabs> its a bit clearer as to what bugs are still in there..
[09:50] <pirx> yellabs: i got two weeks to test 10.04 on the new server:)
[09:51] <yellabs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades
[09:51] <yellabs> good
[09:51] <RomD> rob__418: ruby -e "Dir['*'].each {|f| File.rename(f, (0...8).map{97.+(rand(25)).chr}.join + '.' + f.split('.').last) }"
[09:51] <RomD> you need ruby installed
[09:51] <yellabs> okey , i am off to do some work
[09:52] <yellabs> see you and good luck
[09:52] <rob__418> RomD: thank you!
[09:53] <RomD> np
[09:59] <bp0> how much ram should you have to go without swap?
[10:11] <Rahux> Hi guys - I was wondering if someone can give me advise on how to report a Lucid alpha->beta regression? My bluetooth keyboard/mouse no longer work.
[10:11] <bp0> omg too late Rahux !
[10:11] <Rahux> snap =p
[10:12] <Bunbury> lol
[10:12] <Rahux> snooze you lose I guess - but might be useful for the future..there seems to be an easy workaround
[10:12] <bp0> :)
[10:13] <Rahux> still worth throwing it in somewhere? It was fine on the alphas, but with beta and RC, a dialog comes up asking if I want to grant permission to the bluetooth device.. and unfortunately, w ithout my bluetooth input devices, I can grant no access
[10:14] <Bunbury> use a psr/usb spare to do it?
[10:14] <Bunbury> ps2
[10:14] <Rahux> yeah that's what I plan to do .. was just feeling a little lazy and thought I'd file a report in the mean time
[10:14] <Rahux> though obviously probably not going to be much use for this release
[10:16] <westinghouse> bananas are required to meow
[10:17] <Bunbury> huh
[10:17] <vish> anyone know how to find the PCI address of my graphics card?
[10:18] <popey> vish: lspci -n
[10:18] <mikehh> vish: lspci in a terminal window
[10:20] <vish> thanks guys.. so 00:1c.0  and sort is the addr..
[10:21] <theadmin> Something weird with network manager here
[10:22] <theadmin> Connection was lost (nothing was working), yet it still thought it's there
[10:22] <vish> theadmin: it disconnects on its own?
[10:22] <vish> heh , mine is different issue then ;p
[10:22] <westinghouse> yeah song for guy is great but he died
[10:23] <Rahux> crap. This was not as easy as anticipated - granting access is not enough
[10:24] <Rahux> it makes the receive behave like a standard bluetooth hub - one that doesn't like the keyboard and mouse that it is bundled with
[10:25]  * Rahux sighs
[10:26] <mikehh> Rahux: what keyboard and mouse are you using
[10:27] <Rahux> Logitech MX Desktop Revolutions
[10:27] <Rahux> Revolution*
[10:29] <Rahux> just checked: Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution - http://www.logitech.com/en-au/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/3481
[10:30] <mikehh> Rahux: just wondering - I have - Bus 003 Device 003: ID 045e:00f9 Microsoft Corp. Wireless Desktop Receiver 3.1
[10:31] <Rahux> is that bluetooth also?
[10:32] <mikehh> Rehux: haven't a clue, I would asume so
[10:33] <Rahux> a lot of them use radio not bluetooth - the bluetooth ones tend to be quite (over)pricey - I just got lucky ending up with this because logitech lost my actual desktop combo when they sent it for repair
[10:33] <Rahux> so they sent me this sexy new kit
[10:34] <hemanth> is libgjs0 missing in rc? gnome-shell dependency
[10:34] <mikehh> My son has a few Logitech desktops, but he is still on 9.10 so I haven't heard of any problems there
[10:35] <arand> !info libgjs0 | hemanth
[10:36] <Rahux> yeah I used alpha 3 without a problem.. when I tried the final beta the problem started but I was so busy I didn't have time to report
[10:36] <Rahux> and I just tried the RC and to my terror, I had the same issue
[10:36] <Rahux> now I'm kicking myself for not reporting earlier lol
[10:36] <hemanth> arand, gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages, you suggest apt-get install libgjs0?
[10:37] <arand> hemanth: use aptitude and see what it claims to be broken
[10:39] <hemanth> arand, okies, updating aptitude
[10:41] <echosystm> WHERE DA NEW UBUNTUS AT
[10:41] <rohan> lol, echosystm
[10:41] <echosystm> do you have them rohan?
[10:41] <echosystm> are you hiding them all to yourself?
[10:41] <rohan> yes
[10:42] <mikehh> Rahux: just checked - mine uses RF rather than Bluetooth
[10:42] <echosystm> ive been refreshing my browser all day
[10:42] <coz_> echosystm,  I dont think it is officially released yet
[10:42] <rohan> echosystm: try to swipe them off your /dev/null
[10:43] <hemanth> arand, score 20 on downgrade on xulrunner!
[10:43] <echosystm> coz_, its meant to be coming out today
[10:43] <coz_> echosystm,  right but my guess is that this channel will not exist when it is released :)
[10:43] <arand> hemanth: Have you install that from some unofficial repo?
[10:44] <echosystm> my isps mirror synced quite late today
[10:44] <coz_> echosystm,  so when you are redirected to #ubuntu you will know it is released :)
[10:44] <echosystm> perhaps the repo is already in release state
[10:44] <mikehh> Rahux: I am sure there must be some other users of the Logitech Cordless Desktops
[10:44] <hemanth> arand, no, but my repo list is pretty big, some other dep might have been xulrunner, is there a way to find out which guy installed this ?
[10:45] <Rahux> mikehh: One would think so.. I guess the first week or 2 will show us
[10:45] <arand> hemanth: apt-cache xulrunner will tell you which versions are available and which are installed
[10:46] <Rahux> though it is rather annoying.. if I tinker with it I'm sure there must be a way to use an older bluetooth module or something.. haha though I should probably be studying for my emergency medicine exams :P
[10:46] <hemanth> arand, its says E: Invalid operation xulrunner; but i have xulrunner-1.9.2
[10:47] <arand> hemanth: Ah, sorry, "apt-cache policy xulrunner"
[10:48] <hemanth> arand, Installed: (none), Candidate: (none), but aptitude suggests an upgrade when i try to install gnome-shell, very strange
[10:49] <c3l> whats up with the new release? why isnt it out yet?
[10:49] <c3l> is it the graphics driver issue slowing it down?
[10:49] <arand> hemanth: check that it isn't xulrunner.0 xulrunner1 or something...
[10:49] <lightbricko> c3l: It is supposed to be released "sometime" today, and today is not ovvr yet.
[10:49] <lightbricko> over
[10:49] <c3l> aha, I see. thanks
[10:50] <coz_> c3l,  as I mentioned before... it is more than likely this channel wont be here   you will be redirected to #ubuntu when it is released
[10:50] <lightbricko> c3l check #ubuntu-release-party.
[10:52] <c3l> nice
[10:54] <robban_> Anyone else having problem with external usb disks, only accessible for owner i.e. can't be shared using e.g. samba
[10:54] <mikehh> Rahux: I was going to try a Wave Cordless Desktop my son has, but that is also 2.4 GHz wireless, not bluetooth, sorry
[10:55] <pirx> looks like a dist-upgrade on a lucid-beta server brings it up to LTS
[10:55] <Fudge> im on rc1 and dist-upgrade says im up to date, how can i tell if its already updated?
[10:55] <Ken8521_> pirx, well yeah
[10:56] <Ken8521_> Fudge, what do you mean?... if you ran dist-upgrade, and it says you're up to date, then you're up to date.
[10:56] <Rahux> mikehh: Thanks anyway - I think I'll try and hti the books for now.. hopefully I can work out who to harrass this weekend =p
[10:56] <Fudge> but i hadnt run it before so thought shoudl still be rc1, i have updated and upgraded how ever
[10:57] <Ken8521_> well, there you go.
[10:57] <Rahux> take care
[10:57] <pirx> Fudge: what does this say?  cat /etc/lsb-release | grep DESCR
[10:57] <Mandrew> anyone here that know what the power consumption on a 5400rpm hdd?
[10:58] <Mandrew> is*
[10:59] <Fudge> LTS :D
[10:59] <Fudge> that was easy
[11:00] <Ken8521_> Fudge, you'd have got the same thing with lsb_release -a
[11:01] <HawkMan_> Need soome tips to activate compiz/effects on my atom/ion system, I got working Nvidia drivers installed. and it asks if I want to keep my settings, but when I answer yes it's still just basic.
[11:01] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else getting an errormessage when using the loadkeys command ??  it only works as root for me
[11:03] <mikehh> Mandrew: which drive
[11:03] <Mandrew> in generall
[11:04] <Mandrew> what im trying to compare is the power consumption on a hdd 5400 rpm vs a ssd
[11:04] <Fudge> thanks
[11:04] <bp0> release delayed
[11:05] <Mandrew> if im bettter of with a ssd
[11:05] <mikehh> Mandrew: look at http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=773 - bottom of page - i.e. read/write = 6.0 watts
[11:05] <Mandrew> man thats a big dif the ssd im looking at have a 2 Watt when its getting used
[11:06] <mikehh> that's called solid state rather than moving parts :-}
[11:07] <mikehh> Mandrew: yeah but how much does a 2TB SSD drive cost?
[11:07] <Mandrew> i might even get more out of my battery with a ssd
[11:07] <Mandrew> i dont need that in my netbook thoug ;)
[11:08] <Mandrew> i need boot speed wright speed and better battery
[11:08] <mikehh> get an external drive for extra storage and backup
[11:08] <hemanth> arand, sorry for the delay, but i'm positive about the version
[11:10] <arand> hemanth: If aptitude only shows an upgrade as the broke-fix, it should be ok to follow through with it a would guess...
[11:10] <lapion> Hmm I use a 8GB  CF acrd in stead of a harddiskdrive
[11:11] <hemanth> arand, okies will take the risk :) thank you
[11:11] <Mandrew> is that faster then a hdd
[11:11] <lapion> well I am getting 40GB read speeds
[11:12] <lapion> 40Mb/s
[11:12] <Mandrew> thats nice :P
[11:12] <lapion> only the writing speeds is realy slow
[11:12] <lapion> so slow I have to use a ramdisk for the firefox profile
[11:13] <Mandrew> sorry but i need to split  now c ya ppl l8r
[11:13] <Mandrew> thanks for the info lapion
[11:13] <lapion> but that's because it's an old card
[11:16] <lapion> the beauty about it that to connect a cf card to an ide controller all you need is a 1:1 adaptor
[11:16] <lapion> however only for P-ATA
[11:18] <unknown__> hello, since yesterday I'm getting strange problem. After I reboot PC, I need to change USB port for my mouse, otherwise it doesn't work. Do you know what can cause that?
[11:19] <unknown__> maybe some advice what logs should I provide..
[11:20] <unknown__> btw. mouse is logitech mx air if its matter..
[11:21] <lapion> At boot I sometimes have the same problem with ubuntu-64
[11:21] <unknown__> lapion: yes, my is also x64 :/
[11:21] <lapion> I have to reconnect keyboardhub
[11:22] <lapion> that is diconnect reconnect
[11:22] <unknown__> the last time when I swap ports, keyboard has stopped to respond
[11:22] <unknown__> If I use the same port, it doesn't work, I need to change to other
[11:22] <lapion> keyboard is my hub for the mouse
[11:23] <lapion> takes a long time tpo activate the port if I use the same port
[11:24] <bullgard4> Why did my Lucid RC install the DEB program package gnupg and not gnupg2?
[11:26] <kjele> bullgard4: Intended or bug
[11:26] <lapion> I have to be off..
[11:26] <cozziemoto> oooo very strange ...no wallpaper with today's updates  :)
[11:26] <kirai> salut
[11:27] <bullgard4> kjele: Your answer was not helpful.
[11:27] <om26er> why are we still on GNOME Terminal 2.29.6 ?
[11:28] <cozziemoto> anyone here use secure-delete?
[11:28] <kjele> bullgard4: Well if you do not need gnupg2 then it is intended but if you need it then it is a bug.
[11:28] <vistakiller> anyone else have suspend problem?
[11:29] <kjele> vistakiller: What video driver you using?
[11:29] <om26er> vistakiller, its a notebook?
[11:29] <vistakiller> nvidia binary
[11:29] <vistakiller> no dekstop 285gtx
[11:29] <vistakiller> is break from alpha 3
[11:29] <kjele> vistakiller: They ought to have problems.
[11:29] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[11:29] <vistakiller> was work great two years now
[11:30] <kjele> vistakiller: nvidia faults
[11:30] <vistakiller> any solution?
[11:30] <vistakiller> to edit grub or anything else?
[11:30] <cozziemoto> whoa trying to change background is opening a limitless number of file manager windows minimized o0
[11:31] <lapion> I had to chkdsk my ntfs partition for grub to recognise it
[11:31] <ikey> ...grub not recognising other OS's? o_o
[11:31] <ikey> wow.
[11:32] <kiall> lapion, thats the bug holding up 10.04 ;)
[11:32] <kiall> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[11:32] <kjele> vistakiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/510004
[11:32] <vistakiller> is not work at all kjele
[11:32] <ikey> gotta admit..
[11:32] <ikey> Not exactly bugs
[11:32] <ikey> More like insane flaws.
[11:33] <BUGabundo_remote> oh damn :( 10.04.1
[11:33] <ikey> Hope to God they don't release with those issues..
[11:33] <kiall> ikey, the grub one, IMO, is a feature rather than a bug!
[11:33] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, kubuntu ruled out, desktop UNE for a respin but still only xubuntu is left I think
[11:33] <ikey> kiall: Yeah that don't wash with me.
[11:33] <ikey> lol
[11:33] <kiall> ;)
[11:33] <kjele> vistakiller: click on the link and read the bug report
[11:33] <ikey> Unless you argued that they were solving bug #1
[11:33] <vistakiller> i just read it
[11:33] <ikey> xD
[11:33] <vistakiller> i have this problem with binary driver form nvidia
[11:33] <vistakiller> in 9.10
[11:34] <vistakiller> i have update my driver to new from ppa
[11:34] <vistakiller> and i have fix the problem
[11:34] <vistakiller> the suspend works fine from then in 9.10
[11:34] <vistakiller> after i have upgrade to lucid and after one week the suspend stops to work
[11:35] <kjele> vistakiller: The bug report is for lucid
[11:35] <cousin_mario> hello
[11:35] <cousin_mario> release ETA?
[11:35] <ZykoticK9> cousin_mario, no one knows - sometime today
[11:35] <cozziemoto> hey guys after update this morning  I get   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot.png    the actual desktop image flashes for about 2 seconds when starting compiz then goes back that that
[11:36] <cousin_mario> ok
[11:36] <vistakiller> i see it was begin from jaunty
[11:37] <vistakiller> is any bug fix or in this version i will forgot suspend?
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> vistakiller: purge the PPA
[11:37] <joaopinto> argh, we have an emergency delay :( ?
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: yes :(
[11:38] <vistakiller> i think to install newest nvidia driver from ppa
[11:40] <joaopinto> likely to be a +1 delay ?
[11:41] <arand> joaopinto: How come?
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[11:41] <vistakiller> just upload a fix for plymouth in proposed
[11:41] <Lazy^> Lucid works perfectly, update-manager offered stable version for me =)
[11:43] <brosen> Hello. I may be blind, but how do I change the font size for IRC in Telepathy?
[11:44] <pakete> is it out yet?
[11:44] <Jaymac> pakete, i am sure you can answer that yourself :)
[11:44] <fromspace> no
[11:45] <joaopinto> arand, not sure, I am assuming the iso respinning will cascace into a mirror synchronization delay
[11:45] <joaopinto> cascade
[11:45] <joaopinto> it must have been an hard decision
[11:45] <pakete> so when???
[11:45] <ZykoticK9> pakete,  no one knows - sometime today
[11:45] <joaopinto> or tomorrow :P
[11:45] <pakete> it's been so aited for...we can't wait any longer
[11:45] <Jaymac> joaopinto, what's happened with the mirrors?
[11:45] <coz_> pakete,  when you log onto t his channel and you are redirected to #ubuntu you will know for sure it has been released :)
[11:45] <pakete> we need it NOW
[11:45] <pakete> =)))
[11:46] <arand> joaopinto: Oh, is there any ref. for it, and what caused it?
[11:46] <Jaymac> pakete, you already have it if you're running the RC
[11:46] <joaopinto> arand, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2010-04-29-Late-respin-for-bug-570765
[11:46] <HagenaarsDotNu> pakete, how often are you going to ask? Reminds me of me and my sister in the car ('are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?')
[11:46] <BUGabundo_remote> pakete: $ update-manager -d
[11:46] <BUGabundo_remote> don't need to wait
[11:46] <BUGabundo_remote> bye
[11:46] <ikey> pakete: while 0; do sleep 5 && wget -O - http://www.ubuntu.com | grep -i "released" ; done
[11:46] <lightbricko> What is the difference between the latest RC and the final release that will be released today?
[11:47] <ikey> Eventually you'll find out.
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> ikey: don't abuse the servers... ok?
[11:47] <joaopinto> !final | lightbricko
[11:47] <Jaymac> joaopinto, looks like a good decision... would have been crazy to release 10.04 with a grub but
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> subscribe announce mailinglist
[11:47] <Jaymac> bug*
[11:47] <ikey> BUGabundo_remote: oh come on every 5 seconds?
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> you will get an email as soon as it is out
[11:47] <ikey> Fine. 120 seconds.
[11:47] <mrp> when will the new website comelive?
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> ikey: make that 80M ppl
[11:47] <joaopinto> Jaymac, stilll an hard decision because it affects a minimal portion of users :P
[11:47] <ikey> 80 minutes?
[11:47] <ikey> ._.
[11:47] <lightbricko> joaopinto: I see
[11:47] <Jaymac> joaopinto, yeah but i think it was the right call... a lot of people dual boot
[11:48] <joaopinto> dual boot users without an internet connection :)
[11:48] <BUGabundo_remote> 80 milio
[11:48] <BUGabundo_remote> 80 milion
[11:48] <ikey> ...lol.
[11:48] <coz_> is anyone getting this  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot.png after this mornings  updates?   the desktop image will flash on for about 2 seconds when starting compiz then back to that :)
[11:48] <arand> joaopinto: Ah, well definitely the right call I'd say.
[11:48] <Jaymac> so i imagine if it comes out today, it will be 23:59 in Hawaii :)
[11:49] <mrp> is it utc?
[11:49] <vega> there should be some kind of autokick that detects "is it out yet" questions
[11:49] <ikey> lol
[11:49] <Jaymac> why people don't just check the website is beyond me :)
[11:49] <stevecam> are there complications with releasing the new ubuntu?
[11:49] <pakete> ha
[11:50] <ikey> Jaymac: For the exact same reason people don't google their issue before asking in support channels
[11:50] <ikey> That would require initiative and effort
[11:50] <pakete> i ran RC - i disliked it for its minor sucky bugs...
[11:50] <lukehasnoname> Iced Earth: great band.
[11:50] <Jaymac> ikey, i can sympathise with that sometimes, depending on the competence of the user - it can be easier to be talked through something than read instructions
[11:51] <Jaymac> ikey, but no excuse for "Is it out yet?" :)
[11:51] <ikey> aye
[11:51] <pakete> well
[11:51] <lightbricko> Jaymac: Would be even worse to write "it is out".
[11:51] <ikey> heh.
[11:51] <stevecam> is there a problem that the community could help fix
[11:51] <pakete> well...
[11:52] <ikey> stevecam: ehh..
[11:52] <ikey> "Ubuntu is an operating system built by a worldwide team of expert developers."
[11:52] <Jaymac> stevecam, it has been fixed afaik
[11:52] <ikey> So... no.
[11:52] <pakete> there'd better be a difference between Rc and final
[11:52] <pakete> cause RC has sucky minor bugs
[11:52] <stevecam> ok, just noticed it was taking a while
[11:52] <pakete> which hopefully will be non-present in final
[11:52] <joaopinto> pakete, if you care about those, you have reported them, and youa re aware if they were fixed or not
[11:52] <lightbricko> pakete: Even the fully updated version of RC?
[11:52] <coz_> pakete,  there will be ... maybe with release my webcam will not work  :)
[11:53] <coz_> as usual
[11:53] <ikey> Is that the big bad bug then?
[11:53] <pakete> nonono...everything works just fine, besides plymouth...which always blackscreens, unlike when you use it live from flash stick
[11:53] <ikey> Just the grub issue?
[11:53] <ikey> pakete: Plymouth is more trouble than its worth.
[11:54] <ikey> Add that to the KMS issues, intel i8xxx issues, ATi legacy issues
[11:54] <pakete> like 2-3 seconds of black screen before giving boot splash
[11:54] <joaopinto> ikey, right, but it's not optional anyway
[11:54] <pakete> that is minor but sucky bug\
[11:54] <stevecam> maybe the release will be forcing people to use signed hardware drivers and will only have a 30-day trial period
[11:54] <ikey> Read: 60,000 distressed users.
[11:55] <pakete> all the rest is fine...so i will try final of course, if not solved - i guess i ll downgrade to windows 3.11, as a part of revenge ))) sort of
[11:55] <ovis> hello
[11:55] <pakete> hi ovis
[11:55] <ikey> s/down/up/
[11:55] <pakete> whasap
[11:55] <stevecam> lol at PartyBot1 increasing by an hour every time
[11:55] <ovis> could you help me
[11:55] <ovis> like
[11:56] <ovis> i installed virtualbox
[11:56] <ovis> installed windows on it
[11:56] <pakete> sure what's the problem
[11:56] <ovis> and the sound on linux stoped working
[11:56] <clemyeats> hi ikey
[11:56] <Ganymede> !enter
[11:56] <ikey> hi
[11:56] <pakete> have you tried recent updates? or donwgrades?
[11:56] <BUGabundo_remote> 500 users in here :(
[11:56] <clemyeats> and Suhana
[11:56] <ovis> yea
[11:56] <BUGabundo_remote> no rest today :|
[11:57] <Suhana> hola ;)
[11:57] <pakete> make sure you ue latest update manager installed
[11:57] <ovis> like when i go to sound preferences
[11:57] <ikey> Alternatively install VirtualBox from the Sun website.