[17:33] <Dr_Willis> via gksudo whatever, or in the menus.. it should ask at startup
[17:33] <Cryp71c> I distinctly recall being able to run synaptic and it would auto-elevate itself, but I was logged in as a non-super user...is my memory failing me, or?
[17:34] <rapha> guys, after editing /etc/defaults/grub, what do i do to apply the changes?
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> update-grub command
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> !grub2 | rapha
[17:34] <rapha> thx!
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> Theres getting to be a lot of good grub2 docs out now
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275    at the end - has some VERY good links
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> and good docs :)
[17:38] <chorse> rapha: i was afk, have you solved your issue?
[17:38] <rapha> update-grub2 was all i needed for now :-)
[17:38] <rapha> chorse: yes, thanks for asking - looks like i only need to disable the splash screen tpo make it boot
[17:38] <chorse> nice ;)
[17:39] <rapha> chorse: now i have another probblem :-( - nvidia driver won't install properly
[17:40] <chorse> rapha: is there an error message?
[17:41] <Urda> mvo: ping
[17:41] <ninjai> anybody know how I can map an xev-recognized keyboard shortcut to a /sys/ file? (controls my keyboard backlight)
[17:41] <Cryp71c> Where are application icons typically stored (eg, firefox icon, synaptic icon, etc.)
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> they can be in several different dirs.
[17:42] <Urda> mvo: I have the upgrade running now that launchpad had a build
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> try a 'locate .png'   or locate .png | grep program
[17:42] <markl_> i realize that it is tough to predict an exact date, but when do we expect Lucid to be officially released?
[17:43] <markl_> e.g. 4/20 or later?
[17:43] <markl_> or any minute now
[17:43] <rapha> chorse: yeah, to look into jockey.log - but that contains an awful lot of information, i don't know what to make of it :-(
[17:43] <mvo> Urda: aha, nice
[17:43] <markl_> trying to motivate a vendor to get their PPA up to date
[17:43] <Urda> mvo: thank you for that pointer :) just got to wait for a crap down of packages to download
[17:44] <chorse> rapha: does the installation process fail?
[17:44] <ninjai> markl_: I believe they said something like the 26th.
[17:45] <markl_> ah, "The final stable version will be released on April 29, 2010."
[17:45] <ninjai> markl_: Also, you should try the beta... it updates often, and it's surprisingly stable for an ubuntu beta.
[17:45] <ninjai> crap I was going to say 29th lol
[17:45] <Cryp71c> k, I'll be back, gotta get rid of gnome-xchat
[17:46] <markl_> ninjai: i installed alpha 2 and have been using it since then, it seems to mostly work well
[17:46] <markl_> except that the FSCK screen is extremely broken
[17:47] <rapha> chorse: yes. but i do have the nvidia settings tool installed.
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> I will be amazed if theres not some delay..  but we will see
[17:47] <rapha> chorse: would it help if i uploaded you that log file somewhere?
[17:48] <chorse> rapha: you can upload it to a nopaste service, but i don't know much about the nvidia driver, i use the free one
[17:48] <ninjai> markl_: fsck broken? I haven't used it... I see it pop up when it boots but nothing messed up looking.  Also I get no boot screen anymore lol
[17:51] <markl_> i made a big mistake and left my macbook pro unplugged when i went home yesterday
[17:51] <markl_> when it booted up it tried to fsck 3 filesystems at once
[17:52] <markl_> and this new purple screen doesn't seem to like it
[17:52] <markl_> i had to boot without the splash screen to get it to come up
[17:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. the mount/fstab file has options to set what orders they get fscked in.. ive neer had issues with 2+ fs's neeidng fscked at the same time
[17:53] <markl_> i'm not sure what went wrong exactly but it sucked - how do I report a bug like this?
[17:53] <markl_> i would be happy to try to duplicate it
[18:05] <rapha> chorse: okay i've uploaded it here: http://pastie.org/private/vcst8a7u9kbh0ir0cbo8bg
[18:09] <rapha> how can i get an email provider added to desktop-webmail?
[18:10] <z0rt|work> oo, finalfreeze today
[18:13] <rob0917> when is ubuntu 10-04 rc due out ?
[18:14] <joaopinto> !lucid | rob0917
[18:14] <ChogyDan> anyone know about configuring the frequency of a kernel?
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ChogyDan, kernel update/upgrade schedule ?
[18:29] <scott_ino2> anyone know how i can show how far im zoomed in in gimp like in 2.5? it just says background now...
[18:29] <scott_ino2> I realize this might be off topic but hey the chat was slow :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> scott_ino2, there might be #gimp chat , maybe they can help
[18:31] <Pici> scott_ino2: I believe  that there is a bug filed for that. I remember seeing mention of it on planet ubuntu.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> scott_ino2, yup, there's a gimp room
[18:32] <benkevan> anyone know why I might not be getting html mails correctly in Lotus Notes running on 10.04 ?
[18:33] <nhaines> scott_ino2: that drives me insane, so do let me know if you find out.  :)
[18:35] <Need_halp> Right
[18:35] <Need_halp> Time to rant
[18:35] <Need_halp> ufw - corrupted tar file
[18:35] <Pici> This isn't the place to rant.  If you need help just as a question.
[18:35] <BluesKaj> Need_halp, not gonna help , just ask
[18:35] <nailor1> can i change the mirror that updates are downloaded from? i need ttf-indic-fonts (1:0.5.8ubuntu2) but it is not on the mirror i seem to be downloading from, yet
[18:35] <Need_halp> kernel 3.20.21(ithink) cantmount fs
[18:36] <scott_ino2> thank you all for the responses, again, I realize that was completely off topc but figured you all might know
[18:36] <Pici> Need_halp: That should be hitting the repositories  soon.
[18:36] <Pici> Need_halp: sorry, nailor1 ^
[18:36] <Pici> argh
[18:36] <Need_halp> Right
[18:36] <Need_halp> Now the other problem
[18:36] <BluesKaj> nailor1, yes change it in your package manager sources
[18:36] <Pici> Need_halp: There is no kernel 3.20.21
[18:36] <Need_halp> I can't fu**ing logon to ubuntu
[18:36] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone else get a lot of programs crashing in lucid?
[18:37] <Need_halp> Well, ld.so crashed in my lucid
[18:37] <UnNaturalHigh> I am on average having 4 programs crash per day
[18:37] <Need_halp> does that count?
[18:37] <Pici> UnNaturalHigh: Are you filing bugs for them?
[18:37] <UnNaturalHigh> Pici, yes
[18:37] <Need_halp> I can't login to ubuntu
[18:37] <UnNaturalHigh> to be honest for a LTS, I have had more bugs in lucid then any previous version
[18:38] <z0rt|work> Need_halp: elaborate on that for us
[18:38] <UnNaturalHigh> Need_halp, reset your password?
[18:38] <Need_halp> mey user being "module is unknown"
[18:38] <Pici> UnNaturalHigh: Its not released yet.
[18:38] <Need_halp> I can't do anything
[18:38] <Need_halp> If you try loging on from  tty consoles
[18:38] <UnNaturalHigh> Pici, fair enough, but I have ran betas of numerous previous ubuntu's and problems where not so prevalent
[18:38] <nailor1> BluesKaj: thx, temporarily changed it to the master server. thx too, pici, but needed it right now
[18:39] <Need_halp> It says that ld.so assertionfailed
[18:39] <Need_halp> God, Ihate this kbd
[18:39] <Pici> Need_halp: When does it say that?
[18:40] <Need_halp> When you try to logon
[18:40] <Need_halp> i.e. type your frickin username
[18:40] <Pici> Need_halp: Please mind your attiude, we're not psychic.
[18:40] <Amnite> have a question i downloaded the Azenis cursors and they only work within my firefox, and when i resize a window other than that i get the normal pointer and loading cursors. Ive tried restartting and everything... any ideas?
[18:40] <Need_halp> It's the kbd >:3
[18:41] <Pici> Amnite: See https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/459647
[18:41] <Need_halp> Pici
[18:41] <Pici> Need_halp
[18:41] <Amnite> isnt compiz what makes all my windows and animations look nice
[18:41] <Pici> Amnite: Yes.
[18:41] <Need_halp> I can give you the whole error if you like
[18:42] <Pici> Need_halp: That would be helpful.
[18:42] <Need_halp> Right, gimme a few
[18:44] <Cryp71c> I'm trying to install the Inconsolata font, and I'm doing so via synaptic but after installing it, its not available in netbeans...alternatively I tried downloading the .otf (Saw on the wiki that in Lynx you should be able to right-click on it and "Install Font" but that option wasn't there).
[18:44] <Cryp71c> Anyone have experience with this? Do I need to install it manually?
[18:47] <Need_halp> Pici, check my pm
[18:47] <kklimonda> am I getting blind or did all links changed color to orange?
[18:47] <kklimonda> for example in evolution or firefox's awesome bar..
[18:48] <lucivu> keep getting this 'Checking Battery State'..can't it be smart to know it's a desktop? looks like default is laptop install
[18:48] <guntbert> Need_halp: you can use !pastebin  for longer texts - no need to PM
[18:49] <Need_halp> Well it isnt long
[18:49] <lucivu> quassel won't start?
[18:49] <Cryp71c> lucivu, did a Lynx install yesterday on desktop, no problems here with it thinking its a laptop.
[18:49] <Pici> Need_halp: Just post it here, I need to run to a meeting myself and cannot one-on-one this.  Sorry.
[18:49] <Need_halp> "Inconsistency detected ld.so:dynamic-link.h:182:elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val==7' failed!" - Anyone had this problem in lucid
[18:50] <Need_halp> It happens right after you try to login
[18:50] <lucivu> Cryp71c: But do you see that battery state icon on sys tray?
[18:50] <Need_halp> Pici,np
[18:50] <Cryp71c> lucivu, nope
[18:50] <lucivu> Cryp71c: also you probably don't see it bec you have pymouth
[18:51] <Cryp71c> lucivu, pymouth?
[18:51] <lucivu> Cryp71c: *plymouth
[18:51] <Need_halp> Desktops can have their batteries aka "UPS" that connect with a simple usb
[18:52] <Need_halp> Doesn't that count for ubuntu to check? >:)
[18:52] <lucivu> Need_halp: check what? don't have one so why bother?
[18:52] <scott_ino2> oh nice if you use a ups does ubuntu have a nice little icon in panel? where you can check status etc.? just curious
[18:52] <Need_halp> To check if you bought one and connected it
[18:52] <Need_halp> and don't youwant ubuntu to be plug n play
[18:53] <Need_halp> Hmm o.~
[18:53] <lucivu> Need_halp: nope..this install is vbox guest mind you
[18:53] <Need_halp> Well
[18:54] <Need_halp> Ubuntu doesn't know if it's on a vbox
[18:54] <Need_halp> It acts as if it was on a laptop/desktop
[18:54] <Need_halp> and also
[18:54] <Need_halp> Linux can be on a external HD
[18:54] <Need_halp> So would make sense to check
[18:55] <Need_halp> Since you don't know on what pc you're gonna end up
[18:55] <pasteeater> is *awk installed by default on the minimal install?
[18:55] <Need_halp> Btw
[18:56] <Need_halp> Windows does same
[18:56] <lucivu> Need_halp: how can a usb connected UPS power a desktop? usb is only 5v and low amperage
[18:56] <jrr> lucivu: it doesn't
[18:56] <jrr> usb reports information
[18:56] <Need_halp> usb gives info about the ups
[18:56] <Need_halp> not the power
[18:56] <Need_halp> power is through the old cable
[18:56] <jrr> the computer's power cable also plugs into the UPS
[18:57] <Need_halp> "Inconsistency detected ld.so:dynamic-link.h:182:elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val==7' failed!"
[18:57] <Need_halp> Still need help withthis
[18:58] <Need_halp> i can't login to ubuntu
[18:58] <jrr> anybody else that sounds serious
[18:59] <Need_halp> Yeah
[18:59] <h00k> vish: no, apparently they really did switch order :)
[18:59] <jrr> linker/loader assertion.. could just be a corrupt binary
[18:59] <h00k> vish: the buttons
[18:59] <Need_halp> right
[18:59] <Need_halp> then i need ld.so
[18:59] <Need_halp> and get it into ubuntu
[18:59] <Need_halp> without no access to anything
[18:59] <Need_halp> Greaaaat
[19:00] <lucivu> Need_halp: cud be more issue than just the linker
[19:01] <Need_halp> lucivu, how old are you
[19:01] <lucivu> Need_halp: looks like your kernel & ld are not in sync
[19:01] <lucivu> Need_halp: does it matter how old am I?
[19:01] <Need_halp> hmm....How can you tellthey're not in sync
[19:03] <lucivu> Need_halp: am guessing yfrom your err msg.. your kernel is trying to load some modules
[19:03] <Need_halp> Yeah, it's trying to load the login module
[19:03] <Need_halp> gosh darn it
[19:04] <duffydack> Whut?  buttons AGAIN?
[19:05] <Need_halp> ?
[19:05] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/window-buttons-shift-order-again.html
[19:06] <jrr> duffydack: yeah pretty funny
[19:06] <charlie-tca> testing, testing, testing. gotta get it right pretty soon
[19:06] <jrr> it's per-theme, and i think you might even be able to reorder them within a theme
[19:06] <jrr> but still pretty funny
[19:07] <jrr> seems like they should be consistent with either windows or macos and leave it at that
[19:08] <Need_halp> Nah, ubuntu has to be unique
[19:08] <Need_halp> in the end
[19:08] <Need_halp> the buttons will be in the right down corner
[19:09] <Need_halp> and the window name will be rotated 90o in the left of the window
[19:10] <Urda> Need_halp: sounds good, get that patch going
[19:10] <coz_> :)
[19:11] <Need_halp> Well having a weird button order is still better than not being able to use your pc at all =(
[19:11] <jrr> Need_halp: did you just install fresh? upgrade?
[19:12] <Need_halp> install updates
[19:12] <Need_halp> updates upgraded the kernel
[19:14] <Need_halp> I'll go try recoverymodeagain
[19:14] <Need_halp> maybe reinstall some libld.so
[19:14] <jrr> maybe call out a specific kernel version
[19:16] <Need_halp> Yus
[19:16] <Need_halp> Now I get kernel panic
[19:17] <Need_halp> not the game
[19:17] <ninjai> Does anyone know if it's possible to have ubuntu's notification icon (the mail envelope thing) check gmail instead of using evolution??
[19:17] <Need_halp> although i wish it was just a game
[19:17] <Need_halp> :(
[19:17] <Need_halp> sniff
[19:20] <Need_halp> Why don't any ubuntu devs  hang out here
[19:20] <Need_halp> i mean srsly
[19:20] <Dimmuxx> because people whine to much on irc ;)
[19:20] <andersronningen> Hey. I just apt-upgraded from Karmic to Lucid Beta 2 on my MBP, and the upgrade of grub failed. It said it could not install to /dev/sda3.
[19:20] <Need_halp> Hahaha
[19:20] <Need_halp> ha.
[19:21] <Need_halp> Now we both can't login!!!
[19:21] <lucas-arg> im experiencing some issues with hdd... its locks thinking for some reasing i dont know what... and the system gets really laggy... any other of u had this problem?
[19:21] <nhaines> ninjai: it works the other way around.  The notifier just sits there, and it's Evolution that sends the messages.  :)
[19:21] <nhaines> ninjai: I don't know of any email checker that uses notifications but it would be great if they did!
[19:21] <ninjai> nhaines: thanks! is there any way to get gmail to work with it?
[19:21] <ninjai> nhaines: ah.. fail.
[19:22] <nhaines> ninjai: Well, the good news is that any such email checker would probably work with everything.  So now you just have to find it.  Extra points for writing one if you can't find it.  ;)
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Need_halp: do any old kernels boot?
[19:24] <Phantomas> Has the Non LanguagePack translation deadline passed? I am not sure if this is the correct channel to ask... I asked in #ubuntu too
[19:24] <Pici> !schedule | Phantomas
[19:25] <Pici> Have you checked that?
[19:25] <lucas-arg> no one had this problem like i did??
[19:25] <Pici> lucas-arg: Is swap mounted?
[19:25] <lucas-arg> Pici: let me check
[19:25] <Phantomas> Pici: yes, I just want to upload one more package :) Has the "Final translation export from LP" happened? I guess yes
[19:26] <lucas-arg> Pici: yes it is...
[19:26] <OttifantSir> How do I get e-mail back in the indicator applet? I haven't used Evolution since 6.06, and usually delete everything but evolution-data-server-common, but Thunderbird won't work, and after a re-install of Evolution, e-mail is no longer an option in indicator applet
[19:26] <Pici> lucas-arg: Well, there goes my idea.
[19:26] <lucas-arg> Pici: thanks... im guessing its the kernel...
[19:27] <andersronningen> Anyone got a clue where I start if I want to manually recover/reconfigure grub?
[19:27] <ninjai> nbaines: gmail-notify has worked for me in the past but that's an extra thing running.  plus 2 notifiers which is annoying.
[19:28] <nhaines> ninjai: well, there will always be something else running.
[19:28] <charlie-tca> and
[19:28] <charlie-tca> !grub2 andersronningen
[19:29] <saji89> Hey under which package do i submit my sound-card related bugs?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> !grub2 | andersronningen
[19:29] <Pici> saji89: I *think* you can just use 'sound'  and it'll assign it properly.
[19:29] <KB1JWQ> Idiot question of the day.  When aptitude shows new packages with an {a} next to their name, does that indicate it'll require a reboot?
[19:29] <Pici> From apport/ubuntu-bug
[19:30] <andersronningen> charlie-tca: thx.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Good luck
[19:30] <saji89> Pici, You mean from the terminal?
[19:31] <Pici> saji89: yes.
[19:32] <saji89> Pici, i tried <ubuntu-bug sound> now. But, it sys that no such package exists.
[19:33] <guntbert> KB1JWQ: doesn't that mean "automatic"? as in "pulled in as dependency"?
[19:33] <DShepherd> is there a dock that i can use that doesn't require compositing?
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Dshepherd: simdock
[19:34] <atrus> indicator-sound, gnome-panel, indicator-applet, indicator-applet-session, all taking up about 100% cpu currently. wondering if there's anything i should try to look at/document before killing things... thoughts?
[19:34] <ActionParsnip> Atrus: the 'top' command will help
[19:34] <almoxarife> anyone getting an update error associated with thunderbird?
[19:35] <atrus> ActionParsnip: i'm looking but all it tells me is that they're all going kind of nuts :)
[19:35] <saji89> Pici?
[19:35] <Pici> saji89: Like I said, I wasn't sure if that would work.
[19:35] <demifuror> hey guys, can anyone tell me how to install my nvidia 8800 gts in lucid?
[19:35] <brad[]> Lame question - is anyone using xchat-xsys in Lucid? It crashes xchat when I run /sysinfo.
[19:36] <saji89> Pici, That's fine.. :) any other alternates?
[19:36] <guntbert> almoxarife:  Thunderbird broken in updates (bug #563893) (see /topic)
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> Demifuror: add the nvidia-vpau ppa and install nvidia-glx-185
[19:36] <bjsnider> demifuror, use jockey to activate nvidia-current
[19:36] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, wrong
[19:36] <saji89> Anybody.. Can you please tell me how exactly to file a bug related to my sound driver using the ubuntu-bug command?
[19:37] <almoxarife> is there a fix for nautilus crashing when one tries to go into a network with 'actions' packg installed?
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: works 100% here so not wrong
[19:37] <Pici> saji89: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems , specifcally ubuntu-bug -p alsa-base , but the other information may be of use.
[19:38] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, there are no lucid drivers in that ppa
[19:38] <saji89> The thing is that.. my sound worked fine, till i updated..
[19:38] <charlie-tca> saji89: file it using 'ubuntu-bug linux' and then subscribe the audio team
[19:38] <almoxarife> guntbert: wrong error, this is an error associated with synaptic update
[19:39] <guntbert> almoxarife: ok
[19:39] <charlie-tca> saji89: referenced here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[19:39] <demifuror> bjsnider: it says this driver is activated but currently not in use, how do i put it to use?
[19:39] <saji89> After update, the sound device was shown as 'Dummy Output' and no sound was heard...
[19:39] <bjsnider> demifuror, that was a bug in the beta2 release. it has since been fixed
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: well I added it and it doesn't error when I apt-get update so it must
[19:41] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, how long have you been using it?
[19:41] <almoxarife> is the memory hogging by chromium a lucid issue only, its disappointing, I have to revert to firefox or have chromium taking nears a gig of mem
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: since alpha 3
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[19:42] <bjsnider> i'm sure you're actually using nvidia-current. it prompts for an upgrade
[19:42] <saji89> does anyone know what the "Dummy Output" sound device is?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: you will find it has lucid if you hit that link
[19:42] <bjsnider> but tha apt package like doesn't have any lucid drivers, so apt-get won't see t hat
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: since 29 nov 2009
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> Still has a ppa for lucid though doesn't it
[19:43] <lucian> i'm getting a failed to fetch error when trying to upgrade
[19:43] <bjsnider> there are some lucid packages but not drivers
[19:44] <almoxarife> lucian: thunderbird?
[19:44] <lucian> almoxarife: yes
[19:44] <Pici> /topic
[19:44] <almoxarife> lucian: me too
[19:44] <lucian> and as a result, the system wont upgrade
[19:44] <Pici> lucian, almoxarife: Check the channel's topic
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: its a good ppa to have with nvidia as it has optomised mplayer goodness. The command I gave should also install the driver from wherever it can
[19:44] <Need_halp> this is weird
[19:45] <Need_halp> now ubuntu's every single kernel tries to mount a ntfs as root
[19:45] <lucian> so, do we just wait this out?
[19:45] <Need_halp> and generates a kernel panic
[19:45] <almoxarife> Pici: thnks
[19:45] <almoxarife> Pici: I should read that more often :)
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> Need_help: could add it in fstab
[19:45] <Pici> almoxarife, lucian: Looks like the fix was already released, it probably will be hitting the repositories soon.
[19:46] <Need_halp> I don't get it,why does ubuntu kernel even try to mount not it's own fs
[19:46] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, he didn't ask for mplayer, he asked for the driver
[19:46] <Need_halp> fstab?
[19:46] <almoxarife> Pici: the fix I am waiting for is the 'nautilus-network' crash when 'actions' pckg is installed
[19:47] <z0rt|work> is there a way to make the slideshow screensaver display nothing but hubble images?
[19:47] <jrr> z0rt|work: delete all the others? =]
[19:47] <z0rt|work> haha
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: true but the ppa seems to release the newer drivers better than the default repo. The commadnd should install 195.something from the standard repo but will be updated as the vpau gets updated (useful)
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Z0rt|work: make a folder of images and tell the screensaver to use the folder as a source would be my guess
[19:48] <Flamekebab> This may be a tiresome and over-asked question, but is there any reason Gwibber will no longer start?
[19:48] <Pici> z0rt|work: Either modify the screensaver configuration file manually and use a different path for the pictures, or install xscreensaver, and use xscreensaver-demo to change the path.  If you do the latter, make sure that you do NOT start the xscreensaver daemon or stop the gnome-screensaver one.
[19:48] <Need_halp> I love it when you just don't get help when your whole pc doesn't work
[19:48] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, i won't be adding any new drivers for lucid until after lucid is released some time
[19:49] <JoshuaL> anyone else having bug 564096 ?
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: your call bro
[19:49] <z0rt|work> Pici: thanks!
[19:50] <Cryp71c> ....I can't seem to install thunderbird from apt-get/aptitude/synaptic.
[19:50] <Cryp71c> get an ip not found issue
[19:51] <Need_halp> -.-
[19:52] <ali1234> i'm trying to install this package onto lucid: https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/updates/+sourcepub/1077002/+listing-archive-extra
[19:52] <ali1234> i added the ppa and the package shows up in synaptic but it always installs the lucid version instead
[19:52] <ali1234> even if i use "force version"
[19:52] <ali1234> i finally managed to install it by manually downloading and using dpkg
[19:53] <ali1234> is this a bug or what?
[19:53] <blueyed> JoshuaL: no.
[19:53] <ActionParsnip> Ali1234: have you ran: sudo apt-get update
[19:53] <Need_halp>  "Inconsistency detected ld.so:dynamic-link.h:182:elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `info[20]->d_un.d_val==7' failed!"  - on login try
[19:53] <ali1234> yes
[19:53] <Need_halp> help appreciated
[19:53] <blueyed> JoshuaL: looks like an error in /etc/default/console-setup: line 42
[19:54] <ali1234> ActionParsnip: yes, like i said, the package shows up in synaptic but when i select it through "force version" the change is ignored
[19:54] <blueyed> JoshuaL: ping me, if you need more help/verification.
[19:55] <ali1234> also any time i do an update it wants to remove the ppa version and replace it with the lucid version
[19:55] <JoshuaL> blueyed, well i reported it and i was wondering if i was the only one, just so others can mark it as this affects me too :)
[19:55] <ActionParsnip> Ali1234: the page you gave gives deb files, just download the one matching your arch and install with dpkg
[19:55] <ali1234> ActionParsnip: i have done that
[19:55] <ali1234> ActionParsnip: and now update manager wants to remove it and reinstall the original lucid version
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> Ali1234: hmm
[19:56] <ali1234> hmm indeed
[19:56] <ali1234> update manager says it is a "distriibution upgrade"
[19:57] <ali1234> so it is probably a problem on the ppa
[19:57] <akio> whats the deal with the massive update?
[19:57] <akio> approaching rc?
[19:58] <JoshuaL> always use sudo aptitude safe-upgrade :)
[19:59] <PolitikerNEU> hmm ... just to ask: is everyone else having mass configuration problems when running aptitude too?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> I only use apt-get
[19:59] <atrus> a few things broken in there today, for me.
[19:59] <akio> I have seen it core dump a few times but I think that has been fixed.
[19:59] <PolitikerNEU> ok
[19:59] <z0rt|work> akio: today is finalfreeze
[19:59] <akio> sweet
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> Politikerneu: I use apt-get only, sorry
[20:00] <PolitikerNEU> no problem ...
[20:00] <Flamekebab> and now empathy seems to be broken.
[20:01] <Flamekebab> The username and pass I've given it definitely work, but it just throws "network error" without attempting to connect
[20:02] <atrus> any idea why epiphany-extensions is in universe in ubuntu?
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> Flamekebab: can you ping the logon server?
[20:02] <atrus> oh, i think i was confusing universe with multiverse.
[20:03] <Urda> the jump to 10.04 went great, however when I reboot Ubuntu, it keeps kicking my Visual effects back to NONE from the Best. suggestions?
[20:03] <ActionParsnip> Flamekebab: if you log on as another user is it also bad?
[20:04] <Flamekebab> I don't have any other accounts to try
[20:04] <Need_halp> Yus, i am ignored
[20:04] <Need_halp> !
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> Urda: add a startup item to run: compiz --replace
[20:04] <Flamekebab> my other chat accounts work
[20:04] <Flamekebab> I'm not having any luck pinging the server, yet I can login on meebo.com
[20:04] <Urda> ActionParsnip: really wow... why is that, a bug?
[20:06] <ActionParsnip> Urda: no idea. I hate compiz
[20:06] <Urda> ActionParsnip: lol Sorry ... :(
[20:06] <LordKow> any of you informed on qmake project files?
[20:07] <Urda> ActionParsnip: I guess it is making my gnome and workspace switcher act strange, It jumps back to 4 on reboot instead of 6
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> Urda: if it makes it work i'd run with it
[20:07] <Urda> ActionParsnip: about to reboot
[20:08] <Need_halp> Ty q
[20:09] <Need_halp> Ty ya'll for the help
[20:09] <Urda> ActionParsnip: splash screen is starting up, about to log in
[20:10] <Flamekebab> Well, apparently the server is currently unreachable. Ah well
[20:10] <Urda> ActionParsnip: didn't seem to do it :\
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> Bah
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> Could ask in #compiz
[20:10] <Urda> Yup, Appearance -> Visual Effects are back to None
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> Urda: make sure you are the owner of all of your home folder
[20:11] <Urda> ActionParsnip: good Idea...
[20:11] <ninjai> anyone here have gm-notify working properly? I downloaded the source and changed 1 thing so it would work in 10.04 but there are still a couple bugs... has anyone attempted to fix them?
[20:12] <z0rt|work> and make sure you have homeowners insurance :P
[20:12] <Urda> z0rt|work: oh noes!
[20:13] <nhaines> ninjai: file bugs!  And file a bug on the thing you patched and then submit a patch.  :)
[20:13] <Flamekebab> Well, I just updated Gwibber and it's still b0rked
[20:14] <ninjai> nbaines: I've never really filed bugs or patches to launchpad before... would it even be right to fix the installation bug, and upload it if it's still partially broken?
[20:15] <rapha> I get an error when installing the nvidia driver, and this is the log: http://pastie.org/private/vcst8a7u9kbh0ir0cbo8bg - can somebody help me?
[20:16] <charlie-tca> rapha: is the error that the drivers did not instll?
[20:17] <rapha> charlie-tca: yes!
[20:17] <bjsnider> rapha, it says it installed the 173 driver
[20:17] <rapha> charlie-tca: and after a reboot there is also no green dot
[20:17] <charlie-tca> restart. They actually install
[20:18] <rapha> bjsnider: charlie-tca: can i verify its installed somehow?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Mine all give me that, but they work after the restart
[20:18] <bjsnider> rapha, it is
[20:18] <ActionParsnip> Rapha: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-glx
[20:19] <rapha> ActionParsnip: that returns empty
[20:19] <charlie-tca> rapha: are you on Ubuntu? go to appearance and try the visual effects - best
[20:19] <charlie-tca> If it works, they installed
[20:19] <bjsnider> nvidia-glx is no longer a package name in lucid
[20:19] <rapha> yes i am charlie-tca, but they had already worked with the default driver
[20:19] <bjsnider> rapha, it installed. restart.
[20:19] <ojii> can anybody here help me installing lucid on a macbook pro 5.1 ?
[20:19] <rapha> bjsnider: aye, captain! :-)
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> I don't think its installed as the package would show up
[20:20] <ActionParsnip> Bjsnider: its a grep so will find packages containing the text, not just named that, try it yourself
[20:20] <yofel> ActionParsnip: the package is called nvidia-173 now, not nvidia-glx*
[20:21] <saji89> My Brightness control Hotkey doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2.
[20:21] <The_Dude> Noone helps me, I'm so lonely
[20:21] <yofel> ActionParsnip: and nvidia-96 and nvidia-current for the others
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: grep will find ALL packages containing the string. Not just the absolute name
[20:21] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: I don't any question?
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> !find nvidia-glx
[20:21] <rapha> ActionParsnip: does "ii" mean its installed?
[20:21] <yofel> ActionParsnip: yes, and and the nvidia packages have no *glx* part anymore
[20:22] <The_Dude> Same prob as Need_halp
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> Yofel; it will find all those if they are installd
[20:22] <stanley_> hi guys my cursor has somehow just suddenly stopped working...I am using lucid lynx and the cursor works on any other profile on the same computer but just not mine...I really need urgent help with this guys
[20:22] <bjsnider> !find nvidia-glx lucid
[20:22] <LordKow> thats it i have shunned qmake's 'make install' abilities. i will rely on the package manager which sucks because it will be distro and os dependent but whatever
[20:22] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: do any of the older entries in the grub menu work?
[20:22] <The_Dude> nope
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: I know but if the 173 driver was installed the grep would show it as the package name CONTAINS nvidia-glx
[20:23] <yofel> ActionParsnip, bjsnider: actually we have the glx packages as transitional packages in lucid
[20:23] <The_Dude> it tries to mount (hd0,0) fs
[20:23] <The_Dude> for no reason
[20:23] <The_Dude> btw (hd0,0) is ntfs
[20:23] <yofel> ActionParsnip: yes, and what part of 'nvidia-173' 'nvidia-current' 'nvidia-96' CONTAINS nvidia-glx ?
[20:23] <Urda> ActionParsnip: so upgrading breaks compiz hard
[20:23] <The_Dude> agogo kernel panic
[20:23] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: I had to add 'vga16fb' to the blacklist and remove "quiet splash" here to get mine to work
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> !info nvidia-glx-173 lucid
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: that package will have been installed as well as showing up as a result of the grep
[20:24] <yofel> ActionParsnip: yes, it exists, but jockey will not use it but nvidia-173
[20:24] <The_Dude> charlie-tca: I don't think that will help, since my ubuntu tries to mount a ntfs volume as root for no reason
[20:24] <Urda> ActionParsnip: ok they don't think compiz is the issue in #compiz , but what is calling it on startup is the issue
[20:24] <charlie-tca> The_Dude: I don't know if it helps with a kernel panic, though. Normally, I can shutdown completely for a minute or two, the turn it back on to get around the panic
[20:24] <ActionParsnip> !info nvidia-173 lucid
[20:25] <lucid> hello! hope u can help me with this problem: the update broke my shutdown deamon on the panel :( how do i get it back on?
[20:25] <The_Dude> add to panel...?
[20:25] <stanley_> Hi guys can someone please help with my cursor problem, Lucid Lynx, cursor suddenly just stopped working on my profile but works in all others on the same computer
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: ahh I see, some weird jockey thing. Why is there 2 for the same thing?
[20:25] <lucid> The_Dude: yes but it is not the same deamon unfortunately
[20:25] <Urda> ActionParsnip: ubuntu is trying to start compiz the karmic method (?)
[20:25] <bjsnider> yofel, i think those were supposed to be removed too, since doing conflicts: replaces: provides: in the control file does the same thing
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> Urda: I don't use it, remember :). I'm not the guy to ask
[20:26] <Urda> ActionParsnip: aw snap ok :s
[20:26] <yofel> ActionParsnip: the packages were renamed once they were restructured to use the alternatives system
[20:26] <ActionParsnip> Yofel: alternatives system?
[20:26] <yofel> bjsnider: really? apt-cache still shows them in lucid/restricted
[20:27] <stanley_>  Hi guys can someone please help with my cursor problem, Lucid Lynx, cursor suddenly just stopped working on my profile but works in all others on the same computer
[20:27] <elnur> Can't load 10.04 live cd. Black screen. Any solutions?
[20:27] <bjsnider> yofel, there was some argument about whether they are necessary. i don't think they are
[20:27] <The_Dude> elnur :Don't
[20:27] <elnur> The_Dude, wait for the release?
[20:27] <The_Dude> Yeah
[20:27] <yofel> ActionParsnip: the opengl libs are now configured with /etc/alternatives/gl_conf, so you can have mesa and all nvidia drivers installed at the same time and can switch between them
[20:27] <The_Dude> Not worth it
[20:28] <bjsnider> that 173 description is wrong. it should not have any vdpau libs
[20:28] <elnur> The_Dude, ok. thank you
[20:28] <The_Dude> 10.4 is badass, but it's too darn buggy
[20:28] <stanley_>  Hi guys can someone please help with my cursor problem, Lucid Lynx, cursor suddenly just stopped working on my profile but works in all others on the same computer
[20:28] <saji89> The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:28] <elnur> Btw, is this a channel where ubuntu community collaborates on new releases?
[20:29] <yofel> bjsnider: actually even 96 mentions VDPAU in the short  description
[20:29] <The_Dude> Nah, this is a tech support channel... I'm guessing
[20:29] <lucid> support channel for 10.4
[20:29] <elnur> The_Dude, are problems only on desktop versions? is it ok to install it on as a server?
[20:30] <The_Dude> elnur: Do not install on a server
[20:30] <lucid> anyone know how to get the 10.4 default shutdown actions with the status function implemented back on toolbart after updating?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> elnur: it is still beta, so if you can't afford broken, don't do it
[20:30] <The_Dude> elnur: Unless you want a windows 98 expierience
[20:30] <elnur> I mean when it's released :)
[20:30] <The_Dude> When it's released it should be all fine
[20:31] <charlie-tca> When it is released it should be good for desktops and servers!
[20:31] <The_Dude> it should be good for everything
[20:31] <elnur> I use Debian as server OS, but want to get new features faster then they are available in Debian. So, I think about trying ubuntu 10.04 as a server OS
[20:32] <stanley_> Please someone can you help me...my touchpad isn't working even after restart, I really need this to work urgently
[20:32] <The_Dude> Holdon there Stan Lee
[20:32] <The_Dude> Spiderman can wait
[20:32] <joaopinto> elnur, report the bug
[20:33] <joaopinto> elnur, and install using the alternate cd :)
[20:33] <elnur> joaopinto, on black screen?
[20:33] <joaopinto> elnur, or try a daily live cd
[20:34] <elnur> joaopinto, i think it's better to wait for the release, since this beta is very unstable :)
[20:34] <The_Dude> Guys, help the stanlee dude
[20:34] <elnur> a lot of new stuff...
[20:34] <The_Dude> I think he is serious
[20:34] <joaopinto> elnur, if you don't report the bug don't expect it to be fixed on the final
[20:34] <joaopinto> elnur, the beta is not that unstable, anyway if you do need a productive system, right, don't use a beta :P
[20:35] <The_Dude> What weed have you been smoking, joaopinto
[20:35] <The_Dude> This beta is as unstable as it gets
[20:35] <z0rt|work> his name is peter ok
[20:35] <joaopinto> The_Dude, please stop , this is a support channel, not random chat
[20:35] <joaopinto> !ot | The_Dude
[20:35] <The_Dude> Well i not getting any support whatsoever
[20:36] <The_Dude> so it is vital that i troll
[20:36] <The_Dude> 'n shit
[20:36] <The_Dude> Oh yeah... My problem isn't that bad...
[20:36] <The_Dude> It only renders my whole desktop UN-U-SA-BLE
[20:36] <z0rt|work> yo lebowski what is your problem
[20:36] <joaopinto> !ops | The_Dude
[20:36] <yofel> The_Dude: what was your issue again? I can't find it in the backlog
[20:37] <TommyThaGun> does anyone else use Screenlets?
[20:37] <stanley_> Can anyone just tell me a link where I can get some help with my cursor problem?
[20:37] <The_Dude> yofel, I get a kernel panic on boot because the kernel tries to mount a ntfs volume as root
[20:37] <The_Dude> also
[20:37] <The_Dude> login modules fail to load
[20:38] <yofel> The_Dude: filed a bug?
[20:38] <seicherlbob> hey there! Funny testing Beta, but my networkmanager is down! I made apt-get update yesterday or so and since then, the NM tells me "unmanaged". I updated again today - still unmanaged. How can i bring it up again?
[20:38] <elnur> Getting to report bugs for ubuntu is too complicated.
[20:38] <The_Dude> Yofel, How do you think do you get a bug report with a "kernel doesnt boot"
[20:38] <yofel> stanley_: does it work at all? did you look for any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[20:38] <elnur> When I try to report a bug, it shows be a wiki page with instructions how to collect info about bug from desktop, but I can't even BOOT
[20:38] <z0rt|work> seicherlbob: did you try installing wicd? that worked for me when my wifi wasn't working
[20:39] <yofel> The_Dude: how did you realize it's a kernel panic?
[20:39] <stanley_> yofel: it works if i log into a guest profile I created
[20:39] <The_Dude> It writes on the fricking screen
[20:39] <seicherlbob> z0rt|work: I used to have wicd, but i dont even have my wired connections now!?
[20:39] <saji89>  The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:39] <stanley_> Yofel: I literally was webbrowsing and it just stopped working
[20:39] <The_Dude> Unless you're telling me i need to take photos of my screen
[20:39] <yofel> elnur: please read the page, it explains how to do it without using the bug reporing app
[20:39] <The_Dude> that would be brilliant....
[20:39] <saji89> Anybody there?
[20:40] <saji89>  The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:40] <saji89>  The Brightness control Hotkey of my laptop doesn't work in Ubuntu 9.10 and Ubuntu 10.04 Beta2, how can I solve it?
[20:40] <The_Dude> saji89, goto system>preferences>keyboard shorcuts
[20:40] <The_Dude> look for brightness
[20:40] <The_Dude> and bind it
[20:40] <yofel> The_Dude: you know... if you can't get a log from the boot taking a screenshot or a photo of the screen is a valid information to add to a bug
[20:41] <seicherlbob> saji89: and stop flooding
[20:41] <z0rt|work> seicherlbob: hmm. that's weird. anyone else have any idea?
[20:41] <saji89> seicherlbob, sorry.. but this was the 7th time i was typing in my doubt.. Sorry again.
[20:41] <TommyThaGun> it seems like we have a lot of people panicking in this channel
[20:41] <elnur> yofel, i better go to sleep. i don't get it, why do the complicate bug reporting that much...
[20:42] <The_Dude> yofel, Well firstly, i would like this problem solved :<
[20:42] <yofel> stanley_: that's... odd, do you get a kernel error or something like that? (switch to tty1 ctrl-alt-f1, login and run 'dmesg')
[20:42] <saji89> The_Dude, I can see no brightness in the Keyboard-shortcut selection.
[20:42] <TommyThaGun> elnur, try reporting a bug to MS
[20:42] <yofel> elnur: because our bugsquad is overworked and we need good bug reports, and not 'my pc doesn't boot. end.' bug reports
[20:43] <yofel> The_Dude: where does it try to mount it? fstab? did you try to remove the entry?
[20:43] <saji89> The_Dude, I can see no brightness in the Keyboard-shortcut selection.
[20:43] <stanley_> yofel: nope, no kernel error
[20:44] <seicherlbob> saji89: systemcontrol -> Keyboard and Mouse -> global shortcuts. There you choose KDE-Service
[20:44] <seicherlbob> Does anyone know, how to solve a networkmanager thats only saying "unmanaged" (no wired connection, no wifi)
[20:44] <The_Dude> saji89: add to panel brightness control
[20:44] <saji89> seicherlbob, I'm using Ubuntu 10.04, not Kubuntu.
[20:45] <seicherlbob> saji89: sorry, no clue then
[20:45] <stanley_> yofel: it works at the login screen, but as soon as I log into my profile it literally just stops working
[20:45] <yofel> stanley_: hm... as a last resort you could try asking in #ubuntu-x, there might not be someone there at the moment though, if nothing helps try to file a bug against your touchpad driver (usually synaptics with 'ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-input-synaptics')
[20:45] <yofel> stanley_: might be a gnome issue too then, but I don't know how touchpad settings are done there
[20:46] <stanley_> ok then...thanks anyway
[20:46] <saji89> The_Dude, I tried the panel button for Brightness.. It doesn't allow me to clice the '+/-' buttons or change the brightnes...
[20:46] <seicherlbob> stanley_: whats your cursor problem?
[20:46] <yofel> saji89: id doesn't work at all? did it ever work once?
[20:46] <seicherlbob> saji89: maybe you need to set the acpi settings right. run acpi_listen and click the buttons. whats the output?
[20:47] <rapha> it says i dont have all packages installed for file sharing - but what packages do i need?!
[20:47] <rapha> btw
[20:47] <saji89> seicherlbob, It worked fine in Ubuntu 9.40.. From Ubuntu 9.10 onwards its not working.
[20:47] <rapha> bjsnider: charlie-tca: ActionParsnip: graphics work perfectly now, thanks!
[20:47] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[20:47] <The_Dude> saji89: Click the applet button > move the slider
[20:47] <seicherlbob> saji89: i repeat: check acpi
[20:47] <The_Dude> et voila
[20:48] <charlie-tca> rapha: file sharing packages should be samba
[20:48] <charlie-tca> !samba | rapha
[20:48] <rapha> charlie-tca: samba i did install!
[20:49] <charlie-tca> oh
[20:50] <saji89> seicherlbob, acpi_listen shows no output, when I use those Hot-Keys.
[20:50] <seicherlbob> saji89: what laptop are you using?
[20:50] <saji89> seicherlbob, acpi_listen shows no  output for most of the Keyboard hotkeys, that are working.
[20:50] <saji89> seicherlbob, My laptop is a Lenovo Y410.
[20:51] <rapha> seicherlbob: are you bavarian?
[20:51] <seicherlbob> saji89: austrian
[20:51] <seicherlbob> saji89: why?
[20:51] <rapha> seicherlbob: "seicher*l*" :-)
[20:51] <saji89> seicherlbob, Why for what?
[20:51] <seicherlbob> saji89: sorry, wrong name
[20:52] <seicherlbob> saji89: have you ever been to thinkwiki.org ?
[20:52] <saji89> seicherlbob, no.
[20:54] <seicherlbob> saji89: the best place for thinkpads and linux. see if you can find any hints for your model. also check the hotkey section.
[20:54] <seicherlbob> saji89: maybe you need to set the hotkey-mask. you'll find the article i mean.
[20:54] <saji89> seicherlbob, ok.. let me see..
[20:55] <seicherlbob> saji89: I have a thinkpad myself and i check the site whenever im having troubles.
[20:55] <z0rt|mobile> stupid question here, how do i exit a tty session opened with ctrl+alt+f1 and return to gnome?
[20:55] <rapha> wtf now it refuses to boot at all
[20:55] <seicherlbob> z0rt|mobile: crtl alt F7
[20:55] <saji89> seicherlbob, Someone told me that this problems arised becauese of the change from HAL to something else starting from Ubuntu 9.10 onwards.
[20:55] <z0rt|mobile> seicherlbob: thanks!
[20:55] <guntbert> z0rt|mobile: to close the session ctrl+d
[20:55] <psusi> z0rt|mobile: both the tty and gnome are both always running... yuo don't exit a session... yuo just switch between them
[20:55] <kampfschlaefer> hi all, anyone here working on mountall/plymouth in lucid? Got a small problem/idea I'd like to discuss...
[20:56] <saji89> seicherlbob, I i'm to file a bug under which package will i file such bugs using the ubuntu-bug command?
[20:56] <seicherlbob> saji89: that could be a reason. check the wiki. maybe someone had the same problem.
[20:56] <rapha> it either hangs at "Starting AppArmor profiles" or quickly after that at "Setting sensors limits", even with acpi=off, noapic and nolapic
[20:56] <seicherlbob> saji89: no clue. i never filed a bug before.
[20:56] <yofel> kampfschlaefer: we're not working on it, but we can advise you where to go next if you tell us your issue
[20:57] <seicherlbob> Does anyone know, how to solve a networkmanager thats only saying "unmanaged" (no wired connection, no wifi)
[20:57] <kampfschlaefer> It seems as if plymouth and mountall have a circular dependency. Nothing is wrong with that per se, only as far as I understand it plymouth is only to make the boot-process nicer on the console.
[20:58] <kampfschlaefer> That machine I am running/testing with lucid has no vga and therefor no console. would be nice to be able to remove the graphic gimicks completely...
[20:59] <yofel> kampfschlaefer: afaik plymouth takes care of how mountall talks to the console too, if you want to remove the splash you can remove the logo packages afaik. see bug 556372 on why it won't be removable
[21:00] <rapha> how can i go back to the default graphics driver from recovery mode?
[21:00] <saji89> seicherlbob, For networkmanager problem try reading this-
[21:00] <saji89> seicherlbob, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1012963
[21:01] <yofel> rapha: what driver did you try?
[21:01] <yofel> rapha: usually just remove the driver you installed
[21:02] <rapha> yofel: the problem is that the PC now hangs at startup - i first tried the "current" nvidia driver and then "173" which is now installed
[21:02] <kampfschlaefer> yofel: thanks.
[21:02] <rapha> yofel: it booted nicely once, then from the next boot on (no further changes of any kind) it simply stops at some point around the AppArmor profiles
[21:03] <TommyThaGun> does anyone here you Screenlets?
[21:03] <kampfschlaefer> interesting to read the arguments "because drm is in the kernel, plymouth can stay". My system has no vga, so my kernel has no drm. still I have to use plymouth and libdrm on my system...
[21:03]  * kampfschlaefer creates a fake-package of plymouth to satisfy mountall
[21:04] <rapha> yofel: are you saying i should just aptitude remove nvidia* ?
[21:04] <benkevan> Anyone have an idea why I can't get HTML mails in Lotus Notes on 10.04?
[21:04] <rapha> wow i thought Lotus Notes was long dead and buried
[21:05] <benkevan> rapha: It should be.. but it's not
[21:05] <benkevan> actually it's not a bad app if you use it for more then what we use it for here
[21:05] <rapha> hmm
[21:05] <rapha> i had to use it once
[21:05] <rapha> i still have nightmares
[21:06] <yofel> rapha: it should be as easy as that, that should set lucid to use the mesa gl libs again and remove the nouveau blacklisting
[21:06] <rapha> thanks yofel!
[21:07] <Need_halp> Yus, i believe  i fixoid meh pc (The_Dude)
[21:08] <TommyThaGun> huh?
[21:09] <TommyThaGun> is it possible to do a dist-downgrade?
[21:10] <TommyThaGun> short of starting from scratch?
[21:10] <yofel> no
[21:11] <yofel> you can downgrade specific packages by forcing the install of an older version, but there isn't such a thing as dist-downgrade
[21:13] <joaopinto> and downgrading packages is not support in general
[21:15] <Need_halp> *cry*
[21:15] <rapha> whats the prob Need_halp
[21:15] <kampfschlaefer> TommyThaGun: I tried that with lucid->karmic. apt has a lot problems getting the dependencies right in the case of downgrade. And when I used -f to force it to solve that problems, it solved them. By removing anything down to libc6 and bash and perl and apt. But now that disk is re-formatted and a new lucid install is working like a charm :-)
[21:16] <TommyThaGun> more curios for future use
[21:16] <TommyThaGun> incase I don't like M and M version
[21:17] <TommyThaGun> I would not want to downgrade to karmmic
[21:17] <TommyThaGun> lucid is the best distro of linux I've ever had on my machine
[21:17] <TommyThaGun> I'm worried I won't like the next release as much
[21:17] <toto_> hi!
[21:17] <toto_> i need some help
[21:17] <joaopinto> TommyThaGun, the best solution if you need that is to backup before upgrading, and restoring if needed
[21:17] <seicherlbob> ok, i tried nm-system-settings with both managed=true and managed=false. i reloaded and start/stopped  it several times. I even restarted the applet every time. no change. The applet still tells me "unmanaged"
[21:18] <yofel> !ask | toto_
[21:18] <toto_> ok, thank you for the tip :)
[21:19] <Need_halp> rapha: cant login to ubuntu
[21:19] <Need_halp> ld.so is fu**ed up
[21:19] <rapha> omg
[21:19] <kampfschlaefer> TommyThaGun: you mean the 10.10 version? by default I think lucid at least the server install will only upgrade to the next LTS-version. Unless told otherwise. But you can also "force" the desktop version by editing /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades...
[21:19] <rapha> maybe a reinstall would save some time?
[21:19] <Need_halp> Errr
[21:19] <Need_halp> no?
[21:20] <rapha> k ... then im outta my league, sry
[21:20] <seicherlbob> I have another severe problem aswell: My laptops keyboard and mouse are not working anymore! While kubuntu is booting, all I get is some "broken pipe" messages around the screen. external mouse and keyboard are working. Any suggestions how to fix that or at least how to track the error down?
[21:20] <yofel> Need_halp: you mean the cache? did you try ldconfig from the recovery console?
[21:20] <toto_> well, i migrate from karmic to lucid few hours ago. all fine, until i rebooted my laptop: it did not boot. it seems the kernel freezes just after it mounts all partitions (an error something like "could not write byte | broken pipe"). any idea ?
[21:21] <rapha> yofel: okay so removing nvidia* made the pc boot again, but it says "ubuntu is running on low graphics settings" and all that yadda yadda ... so it looks like i need to do something else to get the original driver back?
[21:21] <yofel> rapha: does 'lsmod | grep nouveau' give you something? checked the xorg log why you get low graphics mode? (xorg.0.log.old maybe)
[21:23] <Need_halp> Bah, I'm going to sleep
[21:23] <rapha> yofel: yes, the module is loaded. the xorg log says it couldnt load module "nvidia" (heck, it wasnt supposed to1)
[21:23] <Need_halp> thx all for the wondrous help
[21:24] <yofel> rapha: maybe xorg.conf was left in place when the driver was removed? (happens if you remove it without jockey)
[21:24] <benkevan> anything special needed for evolution to paint html emails? I purged evolution.. maybe something else was removed? hummm
[21:24] <rapha> you're right yofel, there are xorg.conf's in /etc/X11 - can i just delete them?
[21:25] <yofel> rapha: if you use the default driver: yes
[21:25] <rapha> okay
[21:27] <yofel> toto_: the broken pipe message seems to be bug 521298 - I don't know if that should prevent booting though
[21:27] <rapha> maybe ill try installing nvidia-current again through aptitude; i think the 173 driver might have been the cause of the boot prob
[21:28] <toto_> yofel: yep, i read it, not really good for me :/
[21:28] <dhrosa> heya, trying to install lucid lynx on my PC, the CD simply stops after a while
[21:29] <dhrosa> here are no errors on the cd
[21:29] <toto_> yofel: but i did not have any prompt :/
[21:29] <Urda> ok so something is screwing with compiz on 10.04 bootup
[21:29] <dhrosa> all he'd and CD drive activity just stops...
[21:29] <Urda> Compiz has been cleaned up, and runs fine
[21:29] <dhrosa> all tthe*
[21:30] <Urda> But on boot up, Ubuntu swap the Visual Settings to none, which takes away all my window frames, and I can't get them back until I set it custom or another level
[21:30] <Urda> or if I run compiz -- replace & in the command line, but that doesn't seem to be working for boot up
[21:30] <duffydack> hmm, ive updated but the buttons havent changed
[21:31] <Urda> ...if added as a startup Item
[21:31] <DShepherd> how do i edit the applications that startup in my session ?
[21:31] <dhrosa> anyone know why the CD simply stops?
[21:31] <DShepherd> dhrosa: bad burn maybe? did you check the md5sum of the image after download?
[21:32] <dhrosa> the error check option on the menu says no errora
[21:33] <dhrosa> it loads for a while, then simply stays on the Ubuntu logo with nothing happening in the progress bar
[21:33] <DShepherd> i dont know... then
[21:34] <seicherlbob> when I do ctrl
[21:34] <seicherlbob> when I do ctrl+alt+F1 I get no tty. only a blinking cursor prompt. any suggestions why?
[21:34] <rapha> how do you disable the dialog that comes after bootup "your key was not unlocked automatically, enter it now"?
[21:38] <duffydack> rapha, accessories, passwords and encryption keys, right click the key and change password to a blank one.. is one way...
[21:39] <DASPRiD> rapha, hey
[21:40] <murlidhar> is just me or firefox is not rendering the fonts good ... it is a pain in the eyes :(
[21:41] <murlidhar> firefox in karmic rendered the fonts pretty good. or maybe cause the lucid is still in beta...
[21:41] <murlidhar> but google chrome too isn't rendering the fonts good.
[21:42] <Urda> FYI compiz upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 doesn't play nice
[21:43] <murlidhar> i did a fresh install ....
[21:43] <murlidhar> compiz works fine in a fresh install.
[21:44] <Urda> murlidhar: I have it working fine now, just had to rework a few things and re-install a few packages
[21:52] <toto_> ok. i had something working
[21:53] <toto_> i removed UUID into /etc/fstab
[21:53] <toto_> and replaced them by path
[21:56] <struts> When not using an app like ibus, what app "transmits" my keystrokes to an app?
[21:58] <hoban> hello everyone, recently I'm getting errors such as: W: GPG error: http://mirrors.us.kernel.org lucid-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:58] <hoban> how do I fix them?
[21:58] <struts> Or: What's the app behind system -> perferences -> keyboard?
[22:00] <hoban> struts, gnome-keyboard-properties
[22:04] <rapha> duffydack: thx that did it!
[22:04] <rapha> DASPRiD: heya! how are you?
[22:05] <DASPRiD> pretty well, how about you?
[22:05] <DASPRiD> my new dx800raid is comming next week, 16tb of space in an external raid6 box via two sas ports (6gbit/s) :)
[22:06] <markl_> VDPAU - does it work with totem by default or do I have to do some tweaking?
[22:06] <rapha> DASPRiD: good, moving to Dresden now ... together with Johanna ... prolly going to begin studying Archaeology or some such thing
[22:07] <DASPRiD> rapha, cool :), hey, let's move to #dasprids with this private talk
[22:07] <dhrosa_> hello, i'm attempting to install lucid lynx beta 2, I get past the the menu to install or try ubuntu, and the loading screen goes for a while, but then simply hangs
[22:07] <dhrosa_> the md5 sum of my iso is correct, and the CD reported no errors when I did the error check
[22:07] <rapha> DASPRiD: normally i'd say yes without hesitation but am at a friend's installing Ubuntu on his parent's PC so kinda busy =)
[22:07] <DASPRiD> rapha, hehe alright ;)
[22:10] <CT1> Hi. I have 2 monitors connected to my nvidia card.  I have twinview at the moment which I like alot but I'd rather have 2 seperate screens.  Some apps (dosbox, snes emulators etc) see the screens as one big one when going fullscreen. Also compiz cube does too.  How can I have these apps see that there are 2 monitors?  I'm happy to read if anyone has some links, google-ing has proven unsuccessful as of yet.
[22:10] <_stryk3r> 200mb update :O
[22:11] <rapha> help again! sound stopped working - the device under sound prefs / hardware has just vanished - how to debug?
[22:12] <rapha> !pulseaudio
[22:12] <CT1> rapha: No linux expert here, but I once had a soundblaster audigy that dissapeared (in windows) turns out it didn't fit well in the case and kept popping out of the pci slot.
[22:13] <rapha> CT1: nah this PC is too old and has never had such a prob - unlikely
[22:13] <rapha> dmesg says "hda-intel: unable to grab irq 0, disabling device"
[22:14] <rapha> maybe because of noapic or nolapic?
[22:18] <rapha> ah
[22:18] <rapha> because of edd=on
[22:18] <nemo> rapha: there are a ton of hda-intel related bugs, some suggest restarting services and changing...
[22:18] <rapha> thx TC1 :)
[22:18] <nemo> yeah. those.
[22:18] <rapha> ...
[22:19] <CT1> rapha:  :)
[22:30] <Hatl> hi! i updated lucid to the current repository version using aptitude and i get the following error: initramfs-tools broken. unable to resolve dependency
[22:30] <Hatl> anybody got the same problem?
[22:34] <Milos_SD> Hi
[22:34] <Milos_SD> I have a problem with Evolution
[22:34] <Milos_SD> When I want to write a new email, evolution segfalts
[22:35] <Milos_SD> Segmentation fault
[22:35] <Milos_SD> when I click on button "New" in evolution :(
[22:35] <nemo> Milos_SD: sayyy. did you by any chance try Evolution 2.30 in Lucid? :)
[22:36] <Milos_SD> hmm... no why?
[22:36] <dhrosa> lucid won't boot unless I remove the quiet splash option from the boot command, what's going on here?
[22:36] <nemo> different prob I guess
[22:36] <Milos_SD> I did a long time ago, but I returned to 2.28
[22:36] <nemo> Milos_SD: why not run gdb evolution and get a bt?
[22:36] <nemo> ah-HAH
[22:36] <nemo> Milos_SD: did you try to write a new e-mail since then?
[22:36] <Milos_SD> yes
[22:36] <Milos_SD> :)
[22:36] <nemo> damn
[22:37] <nemo> Milos_SD: ok. well, personally it was 'cause I failed to revert gtkhtml - once I did that, everything was fine
[22:37] <nemo> you probably should try a bt though in gdb to see where it is crashing
[22:37] <nemo> might want to check for anything matching evolution that is still on 2.30 too
[22:37] <Milos_SD> how can I do that?
[22:37] <nemo> gdb `which evolution`
[22:37] <nemo> crash
[22:37] <nemo> type bt
[22:37] <nemo> er
[22:37] <nemo> type run
[22:37] <nemo> then crash, then bt
[22:38] <Milos_SD> nemo, hmm... synaptic says that package libgtkhtml-editor is broken :S
[22:38] <nemo> heheh
[22:39] <nemo> Milos_SD: you probably didn't clean that one up
[22:39] <nemo> just remove and reinstall it
[22:39] <nemo> I'm at a loss as to how e-mail ever worked though
[22:40] <Milos_SD> hmm... I'll try that
[22:40] <Milos_SD> but I think that new email worked :S
[22:40] <Milos_SD> there was some updates for evolution few days ago, maybe that broke it :S
[22:42] <CT1> I've tried TwinView with 2 monitors but there are things I don't like.  Fullscreen flash videos leave fullscreen after loosing focus (what I'd like:  browsing on one screen with fullscreen youtube on another)  dosbox, tremulous and many other "games" span across both screens not just the one.  Compiz cube rotates as if the 2 screens are one (I'd like a seperate cube for each screen)  Is this possible? if so, where should I start googling?
[22:42] <Slart> Is there a way to generate a basic xorg.conf that won't mess up anything or use the values it autodetects? I need to add an option for a touchpad but I'm running without an xorg.conf
[22:43] <nemo> CT1: don't know too much about how dosbox does things, but in hedgewars, where we share resolution for both windowed and fullscreen ( we probably should change that ) we have this FAQ entry http://hedgewars.org/faq.html#n1304
[22:43] <nemo> FWIW
[22:45] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[22:46] <nemo> mauri: you're SOL
[22:46] <nemo> mauri: http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
[22:46] <CT1> nemo: I'll start from there. Hopefully I'll get an Idea of what to google.  Thanks.
[22:46] <nemo> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/sane-devel/2008-November/023133.html
[22:46] <nemo> mauri: w/ linux, generally best to check the SANE list first, and pick the device next, since manufacturers never bother to write drivers
[22:49] <mauri> nemo: ive already checed but it seem not supperted...what i have to do....it a new scanner
[22:51] <nemo> mauri: you can return it, or run OSX or Windows in virtualbox perhaps.
[22:51] <nemo> I doubt writing nasty letters to the manufacturer will help
[22:51] <nemo> definitely check the list first next time :)
[22:51] <nemo> mauri: or you could try to find a dev who might be willing to make another canon model driver work for it
[22:51] <nemo> that's probably a bit more likely than the nasty letter campaign
[22:52] <nemo> returning it is probably best option
[22:52] <nemo> (if you really want linux working w/ a scanner)
[22:53] <mauri> nemo: unfotunate3ly im not an linux expert
[22:53]  * z0rt|work wants an open source world
[22:53] <nemo> mauri: scanners are one of those hard ones
[22:54] <nemo> there are a ton of models, pretty much none of 'em support linux
[22:54] <nemo> mauri: and of course it isn't as common as, say, a soundcard
[22:54] <nemo> mauri: so you get this situation where a bunch of drivers need writing, there is little to no manufacturer support, and much less community interest
[22:54] <mauri> nemo: ok
[22:55] <nemo> as a result, is one of the places where it is still important to check for support first
[22:55] <nemo> mauri: and as an advantage, checking for support is "voting with your wallet" :)
[22:55] <nemo> super bonus points for picking one where the manufacturer documented APIs and opened source
[22:56] <mauri> where a can start the search
[22:56] <avis> mawst, do not exploit terrorism laws in this channel
[22:56] <struts> When Ubuntu's not using for example ibus, which app does it use?
[22:56] <rapha> another question, is there a way to set a 16:10 screen to a 4:3 resolution without STRETCHING the picture, but having two black stripes left and right of it instead? under windows there's special software for that, but under ubuntu ... ?
[22:58] <stefano_> my alt key is stuck, seemingly since i installed sugar. i've now removed everything (i think) - does anybody have a clue why this is?
[22:58] <yoasif> http://quippd.com/show/337/Vimium%3A_Vimperator_for_Chrome
[22:59] <myk_robinson> !bug #563893
[23:08] <vbundi> after resuming my laptop from suspend, my fans are not coming on... anyone else having this problem?
[23:08] <vbundi> is there an app that controls fans in linux or is it all BIOS driven
[23:09] <stefano_> vbundi, i had the same thing when my fan was just close to breaking completely due to dust. do you know it's clean?
[23:10] <t3chkommie> hey everyone.
[23:10] <t3chkommie> does anyone know why  i have alot of packages not installing when i run update manager?
[23:10] <stefano_> t3chkommie, try sudo apt-get update, then try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:11] <stefano_> and upgrade again
[23:11] <nemo> mauri: WRT search, just check the SANE list I linked you to
[23:11] <vbundi> stefano_ I'm pretty sure it's clean, the system was refurbished
[23:11] <nemo> mauri: there's info on there about the level of support and such
[23:11] <nemo> can then compare that against scanner features and price
[23:11] <t3chkommie> ok thanks stephano
[23:11] <vbundi> the thing is that there are 2 fans... one for the GPU and one for the cpu and neither are comming on
[23:12] <nemo> mauri: one interesting thing about the scanner you picked is that it actually seems like it miiiight be one that could work with an existing driver
[23:12] <mauri> nemo: ive check but lide100 is unsupported....i didnt find anything
[23:12] <nemo> mauri: might just need adding that scanner's name/ID to driver
[23:12] <EvilEpoch> hello all
[23:12] <stefano_> vbundi, mh.. i'm almost certain linux can not interfere with the fans at all (at least not the cpu fan, the gpu one might be controlled by the graphics driver)
[23:12] <vbundi> is there a way to force my fans into hih mode so that I can see if it's my motherboard or fans that are failing?
[23:12] <nemo> mauri: I know, I meant for your next purchase :-p
[23:13] <janito_> update freeze is tomorrow right ?
[23:13] <vbundi> stefano_: I've seen applications online like thinkfan and dellfand and l8kutils that control fanspeed from linux
[23:13] <EvilEpoch> I was trying to update my 10.04 beta and some updates couldnt be downloaded , which has happened before except this time when i restarted the system would get to gnome and my keyboard and mouse wouldnt work
[23:13] <stefano_> vbundi, have you checked your bios? my last laptop - the one that broke from dust - had a setting to always have the fans on full blast
[23:13] <EvilEpoch> is there a way to boot and re run the updates see if anything in there could fix this
[23:13] <mauri> nemo: ok i have to waste the scanner i understand
[23:14] <vbundi> stefano_: no I actually didn't think about that... good idea
[23:14] <nemo> mauri: I'm going to look at the driver, just for the hell of it
[23:14] <nemo> mauri: not waste, you can't return it?
[23:15] <mauri> nemo: today it was the last day
[23:15] <mauri> nemo: 7 days
[23:15] <nemo> sooo
[23:16] <nemo> go there today
[23:16] <nemo> and shame on you for waiting so long
[23:17] <nemo> mauri: if you check the sane driver source file, looks like it uses product IDs to identify supported scanners
[23:17] <nemo> mauri: for example.
[23:17] <nemo> # Canon LiDE 60
[23:17] <nemo> usb 0x04a9 0x221c
[23:17] <nemo> mauri: your scanner is 0x04a9 0x1904
[23:18] <nemo> you miiiiight be able to simply add that value
[23:18] <nemo> build the driver
[23:18] <nemo> install it
[23:18] <nemo> and things might work :)
[23:18] <nemo> maybe ;)
[23:19] <lotia> the amd64 alternate installer for the 2010.04.15 build fails to install
[23:19] <mauri> nemo: ok i dont know how but i try
[23:19] <nemo> mauri: yeah, that's kind of a complicated thing...
[23:19] <nemo> mauri: ever built anything before, ever?
[23:20] <mauri> nemo: vlc
[23:20] <nemo> ok. that should help
[23:20] <nemo> ftp://ftp.sane-project.org/pub/sane/sane-backends-1.0.20/
[23:20] <nemo> the backends are there
[23:20] <joaopinto_> and you should file a bug report first :)
[23:20] <nemo> mauri: the file I was looking at was backend/genesys.conf.in
[23:20] <nemo> and joaopinto_ is very right
[23:21] <joaopinto_> you could be very luckly and someone else doing that patch right now :D
[23:21] <joaopinto_> lucky
[23:21] <nemo> mauri: I note also that the driver appears to be intended for gl841 chips, it supports gl843 kind of as a special case
[23:21] <nemo> that might actually be good news, since it might suggest a set of chips w/ incremental improvements, might improve your odds
[23:21] <nick125> Anyone here having issues upgrading kernels when the linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic package is installed?
[23:22] <nemo> mauri: I'd still suggest going to the store today and returning it though
[23:22] <nick125> linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic depends on linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-21-generic; however: Package linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-21-generic is not installed.
[23:22] <nemo> mauri: perhaps you could even ask for another 7 day extension, give you time to try and get driver working :)
[23:23] <mauri> nemo: here is night
[23:23] <nick125> oh, here's the actual problem:
[23:23] <nemo> ah. so you really did wait exactly precisely too long. ah well.
[23:23] <nick125>  trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/compat_firmware.sh', which is also in package linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-20-generic 0:2.6.32-20.10
[23:27] <thedoor> anyone have a problems after update
[23:27] <thedoor> my 10.04 don't boot anymore!
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> what do you mean by 'don't boot"
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> where is it stuck?
[23:28] <ChogyDan> nick125: Ive been confused by the linux versioning myself.  which is it?  20 or 21?
[23:28] <Ian_Corne> difference between 20 and 21 is just an ABI update
[23:28] <LordKow> i dont think compat_firmware.sh is supposed to be supplied by backport-modules-wireless.
[23:28] <nick125> ChogyDan: I'm going from 2.6.32-20 to 2.6.32-21. But, the actual update is probably a minor update.
[23:28] <thedoor> im receiving the following messages "kernel panic - not synccing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow block"
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> oh, that's bad
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> I don 't know that :)
[23:29] <nick125> LordKow: I thought that was a little odd
[23:29] <thedoor> i turned of when it's updating the system :( and it's happend :(
[23:29] <nick125> thedoor: Can you boot the old kernel?
[23:29] <thedoor> nick125, how can i try this? the grub don't give me any menu :(
[23:30] <nick125> thedoor: I think you're supposed to hold down a key to get the grub menu to show up...
[23:30] <nick125> shift key, I believe
[23:30] <ChogyDan> nick125: yeah, but 20 was actually versioned as 21, which is why you got that error I think.
[23:30] <ZykoticK9> nick125, thedoor yes it's Shift to get grub menu
[23:30] <thedoor> :)
[23:31] <nick125> ChogyDan: It's not. I had -20 installed, and the installation of -21 is conflicting with files provided by -20.
[23:31] <thedoor> the old kernel is booting :D
[23:31] <ChogyDan> nick125: that's what I'm saying.  The package was 20, but the files were 21
[23:31] <thedoor> oh, but i's loaded without my mouse and keyboard working :(
[23:32]  * bagpuss_thecat gets all his UNR netbook-launcher icons back by reinstalling gnome-menus :-D
[23:33] <gustowers> having unable to load nvidia.ko on lucid
[23:33] <gustowers> from nvidia binary install attempt
[23:33] <gustowers> ideas?
[23:33] <ChogyDan> nvdia website?
[23:33] <ChogyDan> or from the repos?
[23:34] <gustowers> nvidia
[23:34] <gustowers> I need version 185 specifically
[23:34] <gustowers> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.36-pkg0.run
[23:34] <nick125> Isn't 185 in Lucid already?
[23:35] <gustowers> it builds, then tries to load then says unable to load module
[23:35] <thedoor> how can i run something like the update manager in text mode?
[23:35] <ZykoticK9> thedoor, "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade"
[23:36] <ZykoticK9> gustowers, i don't believe the version from nvidia site is compatible with Lucid yet
[23:36] <yofel> gustowers: the drivers from the nvidia site don't work out of the box,  I'm not sure if they will work at all
[23:37] <yofel> nick125: and in lucid we have 195, not 185
[23:37] <nick125> yofel: I knew it had a 1 and a 5 in it! ;)
[23:37] <gustowers> ok, thanks
[23:37] <nick125> gustowers: Just curious, why do you need 185 in specific?
[23:38] <yofel> gustowers: first I don't know what the mesa opengl system will mess with the driver and you need to at least blacklist nouveau first to try the nvidia driver
[23:38] <yofel> s/what/if/
[23:40] <yofel> nick125: iirc there was at least a message on nvforums about hdmi-audio not working with >185
[23:40] <Moc> woohoo I can replicate the draging window selecting the window under it bug
[23:42] <a514> Hey the Workspace Switcher crashed?
[23:43] <a514> I d/l a pre 9.10 1 time and it crashed ? Why are betas flakie
[23:44] <thedoor> yeah
[23:44] <thedoor> i did it :D
[23:44] <thedoor> i finished the update process via terminal
[23:44] <thedoor> and now it works fine :D
[23:45] <yofel> err... beta is by definition "work in progress", it *can* work for you, but the  RC is the first release that *should* work
[23:46] <thedoor> :)
[23:46] <thedoor> um using in pmy work notebook :)
[23:46] <thedoor> and it works fine
[23:46] <thedoor> sometimes i forget that im using beta
[23:47] <a514> How could things |code| change? why break a good egg :)
[23:48] <a514> Whenyoucanboilthemhard
[23:48] <Moc> I really wish they fixed the download freeze bug in firefox
[23:50] <a514> Imagine a Upad :)
[23:51] <a514> I read about a WePad "german" & CrunchPad "usa"
[23:54] <ninjai> Upad? Upad > iPad
[23:55] <ninjai> all I gotta say about that is that there's a knock-off ipad out there somewhere that runs android... so it's still a linux ipad ;).  It was on gizmodo.com I think
[23:55] <a514> ninjai yeah the JooJoo pad
[23:56] <ninjai> a514 yeah thats the one.    I would never use one.  I like my laptop :)
[23:56] <holstein> http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/15/ipad-printing-solved/
[23:56] <ninjai> ya i saw that today
[23:56] <ninjai> lol
[23:56] <ninjai> scanning
[23:56] <holstein> hehe
[23:56] <ninjai> has anyone used the ubuntu music store yet?
[23:57] <ninjai> I think ubuntus next logical move after 10.04 would be to invest in gaming.  For real.  Imagine a steam-like ubuntu store for linux games.  That would be pretty awesome and attract more users.
[23:58] <holstein> nah, great idea though
[23:58] <holstein> i think
[23:58] <ninjai> I love linux for what it is... but the only way to overcome the competition is to at least do what they have been exceedingly good at for years.  Which is gaming
[23:59] <ninjai> linux would have it all :)
[23:59] <ali1234> what games would they have? that's the only thing that matters
[23:59] <ninjai> new ones?


[02:23] <nigelb> AlanBell: that is a newspaper report about Sofware Freedom day
[02:23] <nigelb> But the point is dholbach was on the paper :)
[02:24] <duanedesign> morning mr nigel
[02:24] <nigelb> morning duanedesign :)
[03:12] <nigelb> duanedesign: oh oh http://www.cvoid.com/ubuntu/bqueries/ways-to-know-the-world-of-ubuntu/
[03:14] <duanedesign> nigelb: cool
[03:15] <duanedesign> thats great that -classroom got mentioned
[03:17] <nhandler> nigelb: Who made that post?
[03:19] <nigelb> nhandler: no clue.
[03:19] <nigelb> Just found it off some tweet
[04:58] <doctormo> http://1roxtar.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Life-Re-Started-180640652 <- This is why we do Ubuntu
[05:19] <nigelb> doctormo: good one
[05:22] <doctormo> nigelb: Part of the reason I watch the art community, it's full of brand new users who aren't connected at all to the rest of the community yet.
[05:23] <nigelb> :)
[05:23] <doctormo> You know I have blog entries scheduled until Wednesday :-D It's been a busy weekend.
[05:28] <doctormo> nigelb: We have 447 members and clocking up still, I'm waiting for 500 and then I'll make a post about the awesome group and some awesome artwork.
[05:39] <duanedesign> doctormo: kind of reminds me of a poster i did a log time ago. In theme, not style. http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/files/UbuntuPoster-Small-Virus.png
[05:40] <doctormo> duanedesign: Ah you did that! it's very good :-D
[05:41] <duanedesign> doctormo: i am doing less graphic design for work these days, so i hope to do more for fun now
[05:42] <doctormo> duanedesign: Please do show us your stuff, maybe do an art swap or collab with me.
[05:48] <duanedesign> i just noticed some spam links in the descriptions on spreadubuntu
[05:49] <duanedesign> darn spammers
[05:49] <JanC> doctormo: maybe also watch a person operating under the name "bartart3d" (or "bartart3dbe" on youtube) then   ☺
[05:49] <JanC> http://www.bartart3d.be/
[05:51] <doctormo> JanC: A known ubuntu artist who helps out in the community?
[05:53] <JanC> currently he's not active in the community, but I know him since before he started using Ubuntu, so I know some of the things he's capable of  ☺
[05:53] <JanC> if I would need somebody to do something music-related I would call him though  ☺
[05:54] <JanC> actually, I should try to see him again some time, it's been 3 or 4 years  :-/
[05:58] <doctormo> JanC: We have a music competition going on in dA, I'm in a band entering doing the lyrics, one other is doing the cover and one other still is doing the music. fun on a bun
[06:00] <JanC> dA = DeviantArt I suppose?
[06:00] <JanC> they do music now?
[06:02] <JanC> he actually started to use open source *after* I last saw him, which is quite funny  ☺
[06:04] <JanC> somehow he started to play with Blender (after trying & throwing away limited "student/test versions" of commercial tools) and was so impressed that he thought maybe other open source software was capable too  ☺
[06:08] <duanedesign> thats nice, I often think FireFox is a good tool for that
[06:09] <duanedesign> Showing people FOSS is capable an that open source != crap. Asking someone to try FF is also a much smaller step then an entire OS
[06:10] <JanC> well, he probably knew firefox already too, but firefox doesn't make it as obvious that it's open source (*all* web browsers are available for free after all)
[06:14] <JanC> but when professional 3D tools cost somewhere between 500 & 10000 EUR, en then Blender costs 0 EUR, people start to look why, I guess
[06:15] <JanC> well, and > 10000 EUR too of course
[06:26] <JanC> http://www.youtube.com/user/bartart3dbe#p/u/3/rsRa_RvqjAQ is a video clip of one of the music projects he was involved in (but not exactly the most "poppy" one, this is sort of industrial noise ;) )
[07:30] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:35] <duanedesign> howdy
[07:35] <nigelb> czajkowski: heya!
[07:43] <ara> good morning!
[08:04] <kim0> Morning folks
[10:01] <duanedesign> morning ara kim0
[10:03] <ara> morning duanedesign
[10:05]  * duanedesign has been learning about the opensource 3d printer project this morning
[10:05] <duanedesign> RepRap
[10:10] <AlanBell> it is cool
[10:10] <AlanBell> and it can print itself, which is really cool
[10:17] <duanedesign> AlanBell: yes, i was just trying to find a local usergroup. Looks like there is one just 1.5 hours down the highway :)
[10:33] <nigelb> morning duanedesign :)
[10:33] <nigelb> I suppose you don't have sleep anymore
[10:35] <duanedesign> nigelb: i was off between 1:36 and 4:03 :)
[10:36] <duanedesign> nigelb: have you found out about your visa yet?
[10:47] <jussi> duanedesign: keepassx seems to be something similar - you can save the password file to a mounted share, whcih seems to acheive what we are after.
[11:27] <duanedesign> jussi: aha, thank you
[11:37]  * duanedesign is working on a creative uses for ubuntu one blog post.
[11:37] <duanedesign> but i am having trouble coming up with a cron job that will take a screenshot of your desktop every N minutes and save with a unique name.
[11:37] <duanedesign> http://paste.rtg.in.ua/2cd563e9b4a630e2abbdee668b2187a9/
[11:39] <popey> downloading torrents being a good thing to promote?
[11:40] <popey> (Yes, I know fully that it's _possible_ to download legal content via torrent)
[11:50] <jussi> popey: we promote torrents for all ubuntu releases, why not for other stuff?
[11:54] <popey> other stuff like?
[11:59] <AlanBell> debian releases
[11:59] <popey> :)
[12:00] <AlanBell> I would say just add an example to the article of a perfecly legitimate torrent download that one might want to add remotely
[12:00] <popey> yup
[12:00] <popey> less ambiguous
[12:01] <AlanBell> duanedesign: so add to that paragraph: so whilst out and about you can add the torrent link to the latest Ubuntu server and have the .iso ready to burn when you get home
[12:01] <popey> the prime example of how not to do this was the blog post Danny P wrote about 'first thing to do after you install ubuntu' and showed himself downloading all kinds of TV programmes, and music..
[12:01] <AlanBell> or something like that
[12:04] <duanedesign> AlanBell: popey thank you, good advice
[12:04] <popey> I still think the webcam idea is a good one
[12:04] <popey> remotely monitor your home
[12:06] <doctormo> jussi: Nice catch on my blog, fully updated and should be much more correct now.
[12:09] <duanedesign> popey: and the commandline tool for that is 'webcam'?
[12:10] <doctormo> JanC: Yes but Blender3D cost $100,000 when it was bought from NeoGeo's assets auction. Yet another example of free and open source _not_ being free, but merely paid for by someone else.
[12:11] <doctormo> popey: Download Sita Sings the Blues via torrent :-)
[12:22] <doctormo> duanedesign: Re your cron job problem, could it be the problem with cronjobs not having access to Xserver environment variables?
[12:36] <duanedesign> doctormo: hmmm, that would explain why $HOME/screenshots didnt work :P
[12:37] <doctormo> Anyone notice how that wikileaked EU doc 'propritary' and replaces it with 'commercial'. It bloody annoys me to know to know that this can still work.
[13:47] <greg-g> popey, AlanBell jussi: use legaltorrents.com, maybe? :)
[14:03] <jcastro> anyone interested in a quick project?
[14:04] <jcastro> http://code.google.com/webfonts
[14:04] <jcastro> can someone find out how debian/ubuntu friendly these licenses are?
[14:04] <jcastro> MORE FONTS WOULD BE AMAZING
[14:04] <AlanBell> very, they are mostly OFL
[14:04] <AlanBell> which is specifically DFSG friendly
[14:04] <jcastro> oh nice
[14:04] <jcastro> so basically, we just need them packaged up
[14:04] <AlanBell> project complete!
[14:05] <AlanBell> yeah, by the sound of it Mark wants the new Ubuntu font to be submitted there as well
[14:05] <jcastro> that would be slick
[14:05] <jcastro> so people can just use it on their websites
[14:06] <AlanBell> yup
[14:06] <AlanBell> it will be hosted on font.ubuntu.com too, but putting it on google means more people will discover it's awesomeness
[14:06] <jcastro> oh, nice
[14:06] <jussi> some nice stuff there
[14:06] <jcastro> I didn't know about font.u.c
[14:07] <jussi> nor did I
[14:09] <jcastro> I'll ask Ken to package em up
[14:13] <AlanBell> do you happen to know who does Evolution stuff?
[14:14] <AlanBell> here are all the fonts in the google web font thing http://code.google.com/p/googlefontdirectory/source/browse/
[14:16] <AlanBell> some are apache, some are OFL
[14:16] <AlanBell> oh, looks like there are some issues on some of the OFL.txt files!
[14:16] <AlanBell> http://code.google.com/p/googlefontdirectory/source/browse/felltypes/OFL.txt
[14:17] <AlanBell> they just dropped the license text in without filling in the blanks
[14:17] <jcastro> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/648873
[14:17] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 648873 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Google Fonts (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:17] <jcastro> oh awesome, AlanBell can you add that to the bug report?
[14:18] <AlanBell> done
[14:18] <paultag> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583619
[14:18] <ubot2> Debian bug 583619 in wnpp "RFP: otf-googlefonts -- Free Web Fonts by Google" [Wishlist,Open]
[14:18] <paultag> upstream jcastro, AlanBell
[14:18] <jcastro> nice, thanks!
[14:19] <jcastro> I will link
[14:19] <paultag> cheers
[14:19] <paultag> good luck, thanks yall,  that would rock
[14:19] <paultag> Righto, off to the pool for a swim
[14:19] <jcastro> off to get caffeine
[14:23] <akgraner> woo hoo - App Developer Week Starts today :-)
[14:24] <akgraner> AlanBell, are you using slides today for your session?
[14:25] <doctormo> akgraner: What time am I on?
[14:25] <akgraner> doctormo, 1700 UTC
[14:26] <AlanBell> akgraner: I am not going to do anything special with lernid or anything, might just refer to some links as I go along
[14:26] <doctormo> Tah luv
[14:26] <akgraner> AlanBell, okie dokie - that makes it easier
[14:26] <akgraner> :-)
[14:27] <doctormo> jcastro: That fonts link crashes Firefox in lucid, reproducibly :-/
[14:27] <akgraner> for me anyway  - b/c I would have to find someone to make sure Lernid and Classbot are pulling in the information for your slides and I don't know how to do that part...
[14:33] <jcastro> popey: pitivi uses submodules in git, so I couldn't import their code into lp.
[14:33] <jcastro> popey: other than that, everything else would work, (heh)
[14:33] <jcastro> popey: I am going to help the shotwell guys set up this week.
[14:36] <duanedesign> thanks for the reminder akgraner. my reminder failed to go off this morning to remind me of app dev week
[14:37] <popey> nnice one jcastro
[14:37] <akgraner> duanedesign, you are most welcome
[14:38] <duanedesign> :)
[14:38] <duanedesign> need to start tweeting/denting and an email to the Beginners Team ML to pass on the reminder
[14:40] <akgraner> classbot will start doing that soon as well - but yep that's a good idea :-)
[14:56] <akgraner> jcastro, cc'd you on the reminder email to the session leaders for today
[14:57] <jcastro> okey dokey!
[14:57] <jcastro> lol I guess I better check on the OW speakers
[14:57] <akgraner> jcastro, speaking of OW did you see my email to you about that
[14:57] <jcastro> yeah didn't we talk about that last week?
[14:58] <akgraner> I know you were looking for new session leads but is it ok to send it out to the past session leaders
[14:58] <jcastro> man, only one post on my call for instructors on the forums. :(
[14:58] <akgraner> not about that that I recall
[14:58] <jcastro> oh yeah, I believe I read that last night and was supposed to tell you something like "you've done like 5 of these there's no reason to ask me for permission for anything"
[14:58] <jcastro> :)
[14:58] <jcastro> aka. go ahead!
[14:59] <akgraner> jcastro, :-P ok point taken
[15:10] <sense> good afternoon
[15:11] <cjohnston> good morning
[15:16] <doctormo> hey sense
[15:16] <jcastro> hi sense
[15:16] <sense> hello cjohnston, doctormo, jcastro!
[15:31] <akgraner> jcastro, here is what apw had to say about OW - <apw> akgraner, have we really scheduled the next openweek the day after release, when half the team will have been working all weekend? apw> akgraner, heh good luck with that
[15:31] <cjohnston> lol
[15:31] <cjohnston> :-/
[15:35]  * highvoltage happens to kind of agree :)
[15:43] <jono> hey all
[15:45] <AlanBell> hi jono
[15:46] <doctormo> Morning Jono
[15:47] <jono> hey AlanBell, doctormo
[16:04] <akgraner> hey jcastro are you join -classroom -chat and -backstage?
[16:05] <nigelb> heya all
[16:05] <nigelb> akgraner: heh, Nice mail
[16:06] <nigelb> (the one about open week)
[16:06] <akgraner> ahh ok
[16:52] <doctormo> I love geek jokes, ubuntu one's are even better: http://alkore31.deviantart.com/art/Resistance2-180708758
[17:28] <doctormo> I'm after some graph visualisation software, I was going to use Graph::Render perl lib, but I'd rather not write my own if one exists already to show data over time.
[17:52] <jcastro> <--- lunch
[18:00] <nigelb> oh, jcastro is around :/
[18:00] <nigelb> Pendulum, akgraner: ^^ Here is the elusive Jorge O Castro
[18:00] <Pendulum> nigelb: well, not now
[18:02] <doctormo> ready and waiting
[18:02] <JFo> Jorge O'Castro?
[18:02] <JFo> I didn't know jcastro was Irish!?
[18:02] <nigelb> JFo: Jorge O. Casto
[18:03] <JFo> I think it is a conspiracy between him and Jon O'Bacon
[18:03]  * maco remembers JFo's Jon O'Bacon shirt
[18:03] <JFo> :)
[18:04] <nigelb> JFo: hahhah
[18:04] <nigelb> JFo: hrm, you seem to be back your normal self, I presume you're back home?
[18:04] <JFo> yes, but I am not yet on the right sleep schedule

[18:04] <nigelb> heh
[18:05] <nigelb> that reminds me I should sleep
[18:05]  * JFo pretends nigelb is a snipe and beats the brush
[18:06]  * nigelb cries unfair.
[18:06] <nigelb> JFo: Its 10:30 pm, I have my rights :p
[18:06] <JFo> :-/
[18:06] <JFo> the right to remain silent ;-)
[18:06] <nigelb> haha
[18:07] <doctormo> slides don't work
[18:47] <Technoviking> jono: ping
[18:48] <jono> hey Technoviking
[18:50] <Technoviking> jono: Do you want to talk to the people on the ubuntu-users mailing list that is popey headaches? I was going to move he be ban from the list, but wanted to see if you wanted to have a talk with him first
[18:52] <jono> Technoviking, I just haven't had time to check into it yet, can you give me a few hours to catch up?
[18:52] <jono> I think Iwill talk to him
[18:52] <Technoviking> jono: no problems
[18:53] <Technoviking> jono: thanks! let us know how it goes
[18:53] <jono> thanks, pal!
[18:55] <jono> jcastro, can we delay our call until later?
[18:55] <jono> I am slammed
[18:55] <jcastro> yes please
[18:55] <jcastro> I am in the same boat
[18:56] <jono> good man
[18:56] <jono> thanks, pal
[18:56] <jcastro> just whenever is fine with me
[18:56] <jono> cheers
[18:56]  * Technoviking orders more coffee and metal for Mr. castro and Mr. Bacon
[18:56] <jono> Technoviking, cheers, dude!
[18:56] <jono> send over some meth while you are at it
[18:56] <jono> :P
[18:57] <jcastro> meth? I've graduated to pure heroin!
[18:57] <AlanBell> O.o
[18:58] <paultag> erm, awesome.
[18:58] <paultag> jcastro, I see you're living like a true Michigan-er
[18:59] <Technoviking> crap, I'm still at beer and scotch level, have not unlocked meth and herion achivement:)
[19:19] <AlanBell> nigelb: seen the new rupee symbol?
[19:30] <doctormo> AlanBell: Show us!
[19:32] <AlanBell> bug 645987
[19:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 645987 in ubuntu-font-family "Symbol: add U+20B9 INDIAN RUPEE SIGN to currency block (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/645987
[19:38] <AlanBell> http://www.idc.iitb.ac.in/events/Indian_Rupee_Symbol.pdf the definition of it is really cool
[20:30] <jcastro> <-- caffeine break
[20:32] <doctormo> jcastro: You have special breaks for caffeine?
[20:37] <sense> A last notice to people planning to travel to the US from the EU soon: if you travel to the US you will have to fill in online information before you can depart. This online registration costs 15 dollar and can only be paid for with a creditcard. The creditcard data will be kept for (at least) a year. Combined with the renewed SWIFT treaty you should be careful when picking a creditcard, and you can do nothing against entering the general
[20:37] <sense>  information online, which will also be kept.
[20:40]  * highvoltage wishes that traveling to the US was more avoidable
[20:41] <jcastro> doctormo: that was a special way of saying "I'll be gone for 10 minutes while I hit the corner store"
[20:42] <doctormo> Ah, thanks. UDS planning going well?
[20:44] <jcastro> if "totally empty schedule" is well, then YEP!
[21:17] <doctormo> At least empty means "full of possibilities"