[00:29] <mdeslaur> bjf: I was told you maintain this page: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[00:30] <mdeslaur> bjf: it seems to be borked at the moment
[00:30] <bjf> mdeslaur: crap!
[01:09] <bjf> mdeslaur: it's slightly more sane but it's still being looked at
[01:32] <mdeslaur> bjf: hrm, yes, seems to be stuff still missing...ie: security
[01:32] <mdeslaur> bjf: of course, I _could_ pretend all our bugs are fixed :)
[02:43] <bjf> mdeslaur: it's back, i'll keep an eye on it
[03:18] <mdeslaur> bjf: awesome, thanks!
[03:24] <niksoft> hi, any devs in here who have a few minutes?
[09:41]  * apw waves to cking and smb
[09:42] <apw> ... and the tumbleweeds
[09:59] <ppisati>  whom shall i prod to get the new omap4 kernels moved into the archive?
[09:59] <ppisati> btw, tumbleweeds FTW! :)
[10:01] <apw> ppisati, i think they all just got done
[10:02] <apw> ppisati, i just asked for some of the main ones and they all got done by the looks of it
[10:03] <apw> ppisati, indeed rmadison seems to indicate nothing in proposed
[10:04] <ppisati> strange
[10:05] <apw> it would have possibly occurs visibly 4m ago though
[10:05] <ppisati> apt-get upgrade still suggets a 3.2.0-1403 instead of 3.2.0-1404
[10:05] <ppisati> uhm ok
[10:05] <apw> it might be mirroring delays then
[10:06] <ppisati> yep
[10:32] <ppisati> uhm
[10:32] <ppisati> on my desktop:
[10:32] <ppisati> [flag@newluxor ~]$ apt-cache show linux-image-3.0.0-14-generic | grep Filename
[10:32] <ppisati> Filename: pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.0.0-14-generic_3.0.0-14.23_amd64.deb
[10:33] <ppisati> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-3.0.0-14-generic_3.0.0-14.23_amd64.deb
[10:33] <ppisati> find the file and download it
[10:33] <ppisati> but it's not the same for arm
[10:33] <ppisati> apt-cache show linux-image-3.2.0-1403-omap4 | grep Filename
[10:33] <ppisati> Filename: pool/main/l/linux-ti-omap4/linux-image-3.2.0-1403-omap4_3.2.0-1403.5_armel.deb
[10:34] <ppisati> wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-ti-omap4/linux-image-3.2.0-1403-omap4_3.2.0-1403.5_armel.deb
[10:34] <ppisati> ERROR 404: Not Found
[10:34] <ppisati> well, actually the entire directory "linux-ti-omap4"
[10:34] <ppisati> doesn't contain any .deb
[10:34] <ppisati> just .dsc and .tar.gz
[10:35] <apw> they've not gone to universe again have they?
[10:35] <ppisati> ah right
[10:35] <ppisati> didn't check universe
[10:35] <apw> or are they ports
[10:36] <ppisati> well, in ports.ubunt.com, i can find the .deb
[10:36] <ppisati> but under pool/main/l/linux-meta-ti-omap4/
[10:36] <apw> ok so i think that makes sense
[10:37] <ppisati> while pool/main/l/linux-ti-omap4 doens't exist at all
[10:37] <apw> oh no that doesn't
[10:37] <ppisati> wait
[10:37] <ppisati> bullshit
[10:37] <apw> if its meta only
[10:37] <ppisati> it does exist
[10:37] <ppisati> nevermind
[10:37] <ppisati> it does exist
[10:37] <ppisati> but cut&paste
[10:37] <ppisati> *bad
[10:40] <ppisati> btw, did you see linux-backports-modules-2.6.32?
[10:53] <apw> ppisati, whats up with 2.6.32
[10:53] <ppisati> broken build
[10:53] <ppisati> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/90500609/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.linux-backports-modules-2.6.32_2.6.32-38.39pre201201200400_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:53] <ppisati> /build/buildd/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32-2.6.32/debian/build/build-generic/compat-wireless-3.2/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/if_usb.c: In function 'if_usb_suspend':
[10:53] <ppisati> /build/buildd/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32-2.6.32/debian/build/build-generic/compat-wireless-3.2/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/if_usb.c:1139: error: implicit declaration of function 'olpc_ec_wakeup_clear'
[10:53] <ppisati> /build/buildd/linux-backports-modules-2.6.32-2.6.32/debian/build/build-generic/compat-wireless-3.2/drivers/net/wireless/libertas/if_usb.c:1141: error: implicit declaration of function 'olpc_ec_wakeup_set'
[10:54] <apw> ppisati, ahh that i think is ogasawaras baby ..
[10:54] <ppisati> oky doky
[11:03] <htorque> bryce: about bug 899159 - i can't seem to be able to cause the right gpu hang anymore. i tried for an hour and only got 0x7a000002 hangs (the one that's supposed to be fixed in xorg-edgers). should i still confirm it's gone with the ppa?
[11:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 899159 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[snb-gt2] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0x7b009004 [Needs mesa 7.11+git]" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/899159
[12:27] <ppisati> no, the kernel is not there yet
[12:27] <ppisati> with whom shall i talk?
[12:33] <apw> ppisati, if you are talking to me there, then i normally talk to pitti
[12:34] <ppisati> anyone who knows, ok, i'll talk to pitti
[13:04] <tgardner> herton, how about adding an example to the maint-upload-mail help message ?
[13:05] <herton> tgardner, I'm not against it, would be better indeed to have one
[13:06] <herton> I'll put one in
[13:06] <tgardner> herton, there are enough options to that script that an example would help.
[13:07] <tgardner> especially because python is pretty unhelpful when it crashes
[13:17] <tgardner> paolo, apw, I uploaded the Precise meta packages for linux-ti-ompa4 and linux
[13:44] <ppisati> am i wrong or the headers are still stuck @ 1403?
[14:09] <tgardner> ppisati, http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/pool/main/l/linux-ti-omap4/linux-headers-3.2.0-1404-omap4_3.2.0-1404.6_armhf.deb looks right
[14:11] <ppisati> tgardner: just saw, but can't be upgraded
[14:11] <ppisati> "The following packages have been kept back: ..."
[14:11] <ppisati> among which there's the linux-headers
[14:12] <tgardner> ppisati, perhaps because the publisher hasn't run yet and meta is still in flight ?
[14:12] <tgardner> though I assume you're using the meta package I just uploaded....
[14:13] <ppisati> tgardner: yes, i'm using meta
[14:13] <ppisati> ii  linux-headers-omap4                    <IP_ADDRESS>3.3
[14:13] <ppisati> let's see when the new one is available
[14:17] <tgardner> ppisati, it appears to be right in the archive: 'rmadison -S linux-ti-omap4|grep precise|grep linux'
[14:21] <tgardner> ppisati, looks like the tools meta package binary went to universe, but everything else is OK: 'rmadison -S linux-meta-ti-omap4 | grep precise'
[14:21] <ppisati> ok
[16:15] <hallyn> yikes i'm getting flooded in syslog by oopses from /build/buildd/linux-3.2.0/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath9k/rc.c:697 ath_rc_get_highest_rix.isra.19+0x15c/0x1e0 [ath9k
[17:11] <bryce> htorque, hmm
[17:12] <bryce> htorque, yeah there can be some variance in the id's returned  I guess.  Verify the ppa solves the 0x7a000002 bug at least
[17:13] <htorque> bryce: i was just surprised that i didn't get any crash files (apport was definitely running). updating now.
[17:31] <htorque> bryce: should i be able to do a full upgrade? dist-upgrade wants to remove xorg, xserver-xorg, and co. a partial upgrade didn't suffice to get rid of the 0x7a000002 hangs.
[17:35] <Sarvatt> htorque: i'm transitioning it to xserver 1.12 at the moment, dont upgrade
[17:36] <Sarvatt> i put a huge warning that shows up when you add the ppa, guess that wasn't enough :)
[17:36] <bryce> htorque, ok, in that case use the x-staging ppa
[17:36] <htorque> Sarvatt: thanks for the info. i'll ppa-purge and https://launchpad.net/~bryce/+archive/lp830136
[17:36] <Sarvatt> bryce: damage is done, can't ppa purge it at the moment
[17:36] <htorque> or that :)
[17:36] <bryce> Sarvatt, x-staging has new mesa right?
[17:36] <Sarvatt> ppa-purge doesn't work with multiarch
[17:36] <Sarvatt> nope
[17:36] <bryce> no?  hrm
[17:37] <Sarvatt> htorque: it'll be a few hours until everything builds, sorry about the trouble but theres no other way around the transition
[17:38] <htorque> Sarvatt: hehe, yeah, reading warnings... totally my fault, but i'm fine with breakage.
[17:39] <ohsix> i'm not, omg!
[17:39] <htorque> bryce: is your ppa for bug 830136 fine if i should be able to fix the mess? :-)
[17:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 830136 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[sandybridge-m-gt2+] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0x7a000002" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830136
[17:41] <jsalisbury> apw, I have a git question.  Is it possible to do multiple bisects in the same mainline linux src tree?  For example, I created two branches, one for each bug.  I started a bisect in one branch, but running 'git bisect log' in the other branch shows the bisect logs from the first branch.
[17:43] <ohsix> Sarvatt: is there a way to sign up and be notified when you change the ppa description?
[17:43] <Sarvatt> ohsix: i wish
[17:44] <Sarvatt> even better i wish i could stop publishing, but disabling publishing means new uploads wont build against the new packages and theres a big dependency chain in the x stack
[17:45] <Sarvatt> need to build protos, then libs against those protos, then xserver against all that, then drivers against the new xserver
[17:45] <ohsix> can you add a new fake series to do the build, then move it?
[17:47] <tgardner> jsalisbury, I don't think so. you'll have to clone the tree and run your second bisect out of that one.
[17:47] <jsalisbury> tgardner, cool, I can do that.  I'll use the -reference option to save disk space.
[17:48] <jsalisbury> tgardner, thanks for the help
[17:49] <bryce> htorque, the ppa for bug 830136 is really only for oneiric
[17:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 830136 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[sandybridge-m-gt2+] GPU lockup render.IPEHR: 0x7a000002" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830136
[17:50] <htorque> bryce: okay, in that case i'll wait. thanks!
[17:50] <bryce> Sarvatt, maybe if the text were trimmed down a bit, the warnings would be more noticeable?
[17:55] <Sarvatt> htorque: so the theory is that you remove the sources, apt-get update to get rid of the sources, and for every package installed that came from the ppa you need to sudo apt-get install package/release, like this for example http://pastebin.com/ewBeCnMR
[17:55] <Sarvatt> in case you want to try to fix it yourself without waiting
[17:56] <Sarvatt> that list wont work right now though, there are many libxcb libs installed also that need to be downgraded now too
[17:56] <Sarvatt> and you might not have all that installed
[17:57] <htorque> Sarvatt: thanks, already on it. ppa-purge might not work, but it seems to give me the right order in which i can mark the packages for a downgrade in synaptic. should be done soon. :)
[17:57] <Sarvatt> yeah the big problem with ppa-purge is it doesn't do :i386 packages, and things will be all kinds of screwed up if you leave those installed :)
[17:58] <ohsix> Sarvatt: is that a technical problem or has nobody got to it yet?
[17:58] <Sarvatt> unless you're on i386 and dont run into the problem :)
[17:58] <htorque> bryce: i simply didn't read the description. only i can fix that. ;-)
[18:01] <apw>  jsalisbury yep what rtg said
[18:01] <apw> js though actually now i think about it, you can git bisect log and save the output
[18:01] <jsalisbury> apw, thanks.  I'll do that from on.
[18:01] <apw> and switch to that one by running it
[18:01] <apw> though its not quick, you could use the git bisect log output as your 'store' for each one you are doing
[18:02]  * apw whines about how unity is GONE
[18:02] <jsalisbury> apw, hmm, right, and then restart the bisect everytime
[18:02] <apw> yeah quite slow to 'catch up' to the end each time on each tho.
[18:02] <apw> but if space is your issue then ...
[18:03] <jsalisbury> apw, yeah.  I think I'll have a seperate tree for each bug, then use the --reference option to point to a master tree.  That way I don't risk confusing multiple bugs ;-)
[18:49]  * tgardner --> lunch
[20:05] <niksoft> hi, is anyone actually here?
[20:17] <bryce> niksoft, nope
[20:18] <niksoft> thats what i thought
[20:22] <_ruben> this channel is rather bursty when it comes to activity: either no action at all, or a lot of it ;)
[20:22] <_ruben> gotta love them timezones/workdays/etc and all :)
[20:23] <niksoft> sorry, i generally never get a reply if i just ask the question. So i am working on an ubu server, i need it to be able to both serve at extreemely high throughput, and at extremely high tps, like higher than most people dream about in most datacenters. Does anyone have any experience with setting up the kernel stacks for 10+gbit/sec?
[20:23] <geri> how can i remove dynamic kernel support?
[20:25] <_ruben> 10+gbps takes a bit of effort indeed, tho packet size distribution plays a large role here obviously .. is juniper looking to use linux instead of bsd? ;)
[20:26] <niksoft> lol i dont want to give in and build a bsd box, no juniper is, and will continue using bsd, though i cant comment where that's going ;)
[20:26] <_ruben> hehe
[20:26] <_ruben> was just a too easy remark to make ;)
[20:26] <niksoft> so max i can hit at the moment is 13 sustained and 16gbit max, with pretty huge fail rates
[20:27] <niksoft> this is on a 5mb file... oh fif i mention its a web server?
[20:27] <_ruben> the packetshader ppl do ~40gbps by offloading to the gpu
[20:27] <niksoft> but i don't hit cpu perfomance issues, it is barely touched
[20:27] <_ruben> packetshader likely wont help there ;)
[20:28] <_ruben> ic, interrupts?
[20:28] <niksoft> 24 cores, 96gb ram, no disk io
[20:28] <niksoft> yeah interrupts are around 30k
[20:28] <_ruben> tcp window scaling?
[20:28] <niksoft> on
[20:28] <niksoft> infact... let me dump sysctl.conf
[20:29] <_ruben> i assume the nic(s) is/are msi-x capable?
[20:30] <niksoft> http://pastebin.com/JHKftWzf
[20:33] <_ruben> seems you got the "usual suspects" covered .. does the loadavg shoot up ?
[20:33] <niksoft> no not really
[20:34] <niksoft> i am looking into msi atm
[20:34] <_ruben> almost sounds like a really low level, like broken nic or so
[20:34] <niksoft> nah both nics work          RX bytes:8560452364 (8.5 GB)  TX bytes:431279836182 (431.2 GB)
[20:35] <niksoft>           RX bytes:8532901172 (8.5 GB)  TX bytes:430141265520 (430.1 GB)
[20:35] <niksoft> ethtool doesnt seem to display MSI info at all... lets see maybe lspci will?
[20:36] <niksoft> there it is
[20:37] <niksoft> http://pastebin.com/apKNUzFg
[20:37] <niksoft> yes msi is supported
[20:38] <_ruben> tho if load's low as well as cpu usage, i doubt it'd be of any help :)
[20:39] <_ruben> as it'd help to spread the (interupt) load over the cores
[20:39] <niksoft> well that may help
[20:40] <niksoft> i mean i get sustained 30000 interrupts, and that's a fair amount of ticks if it's going to the same core
[20:40] <_ruben> well, does for instance 'top' show just one cpu being pegged?
[20:40] <_ruben> looking at the total load on a 24-way sys doesn't mean much :)
[20:40] <ohsix> theres an irq top too, that will read /proc/interrupts, don't remember the name of it tho
[20:41] <niksoft> there is a core that is used a lot more than others
[20:41] <ohsix> irqbalance (the daemon) can collect statistics too, i think
[20:41] <niksoft> i am using nmon
[20:41] <_ruben> irqbalance might help things, or make it worse, from what i've read about this stuff
[20:42] <_ruben> not really sure if it takes anything special (configuration wise or whatever) to make use of msi-x
[20:42] <niksoft> irqbalance is running
[20:42] <niksoft> yeah i read that too, i will try stopping it
[20:46] <niksoft> yeah i think you have to enable it manually
[20:49] <niksoft> ok one thing at a time
[20:49] <niksoft> running the tps test 1-10k tps on a 5kb file
[20:49] <niksoft> irqbalance off
[20:50] <niksoft> http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/MSI-HOWTO.txt on the msi
[20:51] <ohsix> there are some lwn articles on napi that tell you what's important for high pps, and how to see what thet driver does with respect to it
[20:53] <niksoft> ohsix, would you be able to point me in the right direction on that?
[20:56] <ohsix> lwn napi in the googles brings up some stuff; i'm looking where the in tree documentation ended up
[20:57] <niksoft> TY, also i am googling over here too
[21:00] <ohsix> most of the fancy nics seem to have a corresponding file in Documentation/networking
[21:01] <niksoft> wait i take that back  successful transactions went up by about 30k on a 3million transaction run thre from 1-10k tps
[21:01] <niksoft> i will look into that, just going to start this throughput test
[21:06] <niksoft> not much luck on that, the most i see in there is a setup for a gig nic
[21:07] <niksoft> qlogic driver is nowhere to be found atm
[21:09] <niksoft> grep to the rescue
[21:20] <niksoft> ok greping through i have some progress, but it needs testing
[21:47] <niksoft> enabling MSI-X, at least with these preliminary results gave me a 0.8% boost on throughput on a 5mb file
[21:48] <niksoft> trying something smaller (5kb file) at 1-10k rps, lets see if that about confirms these results
[21:50] <niksoft> so i increased the buffers further, following suit with the intel 10GbE driver notes in the kernel doc (though my values are higher yet, since i have 2 10 gig and 2 1 gig interfaces
[21:55] <niksoft> may not seem much, till you consider that it's roughly 100megabit difference
[22:55] <hallyn> is there a commonly used trick for getting vmlinux back from vmlinuz?
[22:55] <hallyn> (i remember finding one a few years ago, but it was not common nor reliable)
[22:55] <hallyn> looking for a way to run gdb against the kernel from linux-image.deb...
  followed http://www.codeguru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=415186  which is in fact what i did years ago
[23:03] <Sarvatt> hallyn: it's in the ddeb
[23:03] <hallyn> Sarvatt: thanks, I may use that in the future - though 'fakeroot debian/rules binary-generic' did not create a ddeb
[23:04] <hallyn> i suppose i should use that anyway as i appear to have no symbols
[23:20] <hallyn> Sarvatt: do you happen to know the rule to make the ddeb?
[23:25] <Sarvatt> hallyn: afraid not, looking through this crazy build system now though
[23:25] <hallyn> Sarvatt: no worries, don't waste time on my account - thanks for the tip
[23:28] <Sarvatt> hmm
[23:28] <Sarvatt> skipdbg=false?
[23:28] <Sarvatt> fdr binary-generic skipdbg=false
[23:28] <Sarvatt> not sure if you need pkg-create-dbgsym installed also
[23:39] <hallyn> cool will try, thx


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[17:07] <jdstrand> hi!
[17:07] <tyhicks> hello
[17:07] <mdeslaur> \o
[17:08] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
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[17:08] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[17:08] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[17:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[17:08] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[17:08] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week
[17:09] <jdstrand> I've got planning to do related to getting something together 14.04 and until release, but for the most part, stuff that is hitting saucy is not feature work at this point
[17:09] <jdstrand> so I've put that on the backburner for the moment
[17:10] <jdstrand> (ie, we are finishing up things we've started and fixing bugs in 13.10-- but I know we are already starting some 14.04 stuff, which is fine)
[17:10] <jdstrand> (and by 14.04, I mean 13.10 stuff that was postponed :)
[17:10] <jdstrand> ok
[17:10] <jdstrand> I've been working a lot on trying to get all our policy in order
[17:11] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks for that
[17:11] <jdstrand> and its coming along, but has been difficult in spots because the APIs haven't all landed in their full form yet
[17:11] <jdstrand> sbeattie: np
[17:11] <jdstrand> sbeattie: thanks for being flexible in what you're working on :)
[17:12] <sbeattie> heh, sure.
[17:12] <jdstrand> I'm also following up with various teams to get bugs fixed and policy workarounds removed
[17:12] <jdstrand> (eg, all the bugs surrounding non-app-specific paths)
[17:13] <jdstrand> also working with appstore reviews and how to automate them where we can
[17:13] <jdstrand> and discussing webapps confinement a bit
[17:13] <jdstrand> all that will continue this week and I hope to check of related work items
[17:14] <jdstrand> I also have MIR reviews that I am working on
[17:14] <jdstrand> and will pick up an update if I can
[17:14] <jdstrand> I think that's it for me
[17:14] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[17:14] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[17:14] <mdeslaur> and am working on a bunch of embargoed issues
[17:14] <mdeslaur> hopefully they'll all get published this week
[17:14] <mdeslaur> that's it from me
[17:14] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[17:15] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor this week
[17:15] <sbeattie> I'm again working on testing stuff, particularly IPC, in support of the development work jjohansen is doing.
[17:16] <sbeattie> I've also been picking up other odds and ends on the apparmor front
[17:16] <sbeattie> Oh, I'm trying to fix the daily build ppa breakage (my fault, mostly)
[17:16] <sbeattie> that's pretty much it for me. tyhicks?
[17:16] <tyhicks> I'm working on an embargoed issue
[17:17] <tyhicks> I need to help jjohansen prep for the AppArmor sessions at LSS (Linux Security Summit)
[17:17] <tyhicks> I'll be attending Plumbers (and probably some of LSS) this week
[17:17] <tyhicks> I also need to scrape through the apparmor list and get patches committed
[17:17] <tyhicks> (mainly the C++ patches that have been acked)
[17:18] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[17:18] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[17:19] <jjohansen> I am prepping for and attending Linux Security Summit (LSS) this week. We have 2 presentations and a status update around apparmor and the security work for ubuntu touch
[17:21] <jdstrand> nice
[17:21] <jjohansen> I will also try to get up a test kernel for some of the ipc and stacking but that will depend on how the prep goes
[17:22] <jjohansen> that's it for me sarnold your up
[17:23] <sarnold> I'm in my happy place this week; this week and next week are short weeks, friday and monday off. I'm doing mostly MIR audits, only Mir, unity-system-compositor, gunicorn, and open-vm-tools remain :) but only two, maybe three, likely this week.
[17:24] <sarnold> sorry I've been neglecting the apparmor patches, if there's anything that's not yet received a review from someone else, you guys can ping me on it specific and I'll give it a look
[17:24] <sarnold> but "all 78 mails" would be a while :) hehe
[17:25] <sarnold> chrisccoulson: your turn
[17:25] <chrisccoulson> i had a short week last week, and it feels like it's been ages since my last meeting ;)
[17:25]  * jjohansen notes to do a push just for sarnold
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> i got flash updated last week. this week, it's firefox and thunderbird (and a big one for thunderbird, 17 -> 24)
[17:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: welcome! :)
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> hi :)
[17:26] <chrisccoulson> i worked on automated testing for oxide. will hopefully finish that this week
[17:27] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done
[17:27] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: sorry if I'm dense-- you've been working on and planning to work on oxide automated testing/
[17:27] <jdstrand> ?
[17:28]  * jdstrand couldn't fully parse chrisccoulson's stand-up
[17:29] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, i've been working on adding automated tests since last week
[17:30] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: ok, for some reason that is not listed on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1308-oxide. can you add a work item for that and mark it INPROGRESS?
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, ah, sure. in future, all features will come with tests. the work i'm doing now is adding tests retrospectively, as it depended on adding support for exchanging messages with content scripts, which was quite a bit of work :)
[17:32] <jdstrand> yeah, I bet
[17:32] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: cool, thanks for that :)
[17:32] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:32] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:32] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:32] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xymon.html
[17:33] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libsdp.html
[17:33] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/kronolith2.html
[17:33] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/citadel.html
[17:33] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xml-light.html
[17:33] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:34] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: so, the only thing I was going to ask about was seeing if sarnold could help out with updates, but with his short week and the number of audits, that seems like 'no'
[17:34] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: yeah, that's fine...the mirs are more pressing for now
[17:34] <jdstrand> well, soon there will be help
[17:35] <jdstrand> it is hard to beleive that 13.10 will be released in like 5 weeks
[17:35] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: thanks
[17:35] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 16 17:35:46 2013 UTC.
[17:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-16-17.08.moin.txt
[17:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-09-16-17.08.html
[17:35] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:35] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[17:36] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[17:36] <sarnold> yeah, five weeks seems terrifyingly close
[17:36] <sarnold> I installed the phone for the first time over the weekend and while I was stunned at how much has been done, it still feels like there's a lot left to finish up..
[17:37] <jdstrand> sarnold: there are a number of bugs that are quite annoying/highly visible, but they are known
[17:38] <jdstrand> but all the teams are working on their parts to finish what they started and fix bugs/polish
[17:38] <jdstrand> things are postponed, etc. plans are made to land stuff. we'll get there
[17:38] <sarnold> it looks to be an exciting five weeks :)
[20:00] <cjwatson> Anyone else here for the TB meeting?
[20:00] <stgraber> I am
[20:00] <cjwatson> kees,soren: ?
[20:03] <stgraber> looks like we've got an empty agenda anyway and only thing on the ML is a provisional MRE for kde-telepathy (which can be handled there), so if nobody else shows up in the next 5min or so, I guess we can just ship that one
[20:10] <kees> here now
[20:10] <stgraber> hey kees
[20:13] <cjwatson> So, quorate, but do we have anything to discuss? :)
[20:13] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2013-September/001714.html is the MRE in question
[20:14] <kees> re-reading now
[20:14] <cjwatson> I'm inclined to look favourably on that since it only affects KDE and they already have an established updates policy for other things
[20:14] <stgraber> I'm +1 on that one
[20:14] <kees> yeah, me too. +1
[20:14] <stgraber> it's a provisional SRU for a single version, affects a single flavour and I believe KDE has a good track record so far
[20:15] <cjwatson> so, less verbosely, +1
[20:15] <cjwatson> sold
[20:16] <kees> ship it :)
[20:22] <cjwatson> anything else for today?
[20:22] <stgraber> nothing else here
[20:22] <cjwatson> I haven't seen any reply from Mark on elections
[20:22] <cjwatson> But pitti isn't here to ask
[20:23] <cjwatson> And I think Mark was on holiday for a while anyway
[20:24] <stgraber> I'll poke pitti at Plumbers if I can remember
[20:27] <kees> cool.
[20:28] <stgraber> kees: are you coming this year?
[20:36] <kees> stgraber: yup, flying in tomorrow.
[20:38] <stgraber> cool, see you there then


[01:10] <ball> Are there separate metapkgs for different age groups?
[01:12] <ball> (separate collections of software)?
[15:53] <berriop> hi ogra, are you there??
[15:54] <ogra> with half an eye
[15:54] <berriop> :)
[15:54] <berriop> ok I will go straight to the point then
[15:55] <berriop> I work for the London South Bank University, UK
[15:56] <berriop> we are gonna held a conference about thin computing on june/july 2009
[15:56] <berriop> we are looking for some potential lecturers / speakers
[15:57] <berriop> who are into thin computing projects development
[15:57] <ogra> well, stgraber, sbalneav, me ...
[15:58] <ogra> but also nubae or LNs would surely be able to talk about it
[15:58] <berriop> would you be interested in give a presentation?
[15:58] <berriop> ok, kool
[15:58] <stgraber> I'm doing ltsp thin client deployment
[15:58] <stgraber> clustered ltsp that's
[15:58] <berriop> ok
[15:58] <nubae> I can talk about fat clients
[15:58] <berriop> i write down all names
[15:58] <berriop> nice to see you would be interested
[15:59] <nubae> and sugar on ltsp
[15:59] <stgraber> we're developping ltsp-cluster here (and pushing it upstream now) we have some >4k thin clients networks
[15:59] <stgraber> mainly school boards
[15:59] <stgraber> *school districts
[15:59] <berriop> I think we need around 4 or 5, maybe more
[16:00] <berriop> nice, I write down your usernames, I hope i can find you on launchpad or related sites
[16:00] <nubae> berriop: all ubuntu based, or other distros too?
[16:01] <berriop> any distro
[16:01] <nubae> then vagrantc and warren too
[16:01] <berriop> its not oriented to any special distro
[16:01] <berriop> ok
[16:01] <berriop> here is the link of the faculty http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/esbe/
[16:02] <ogra> #ltsp would then have been the better lace to ask
[16:02] <ogra> *place
[16:02] <ogra> there you can find devs for ll distros
[16:02] <ogra> *all
[16:02] <ogra> the channel here is pretty ubuntu centric
[16:02] <berriop> yep i can guess it, i was gonna ask there after here
[16:03] <berriop> thanks
[16:03] <ogra> i have no clue about my travelling dates in june/july yet, else i'd say yes
[16:03] <berriop> I am an ubuntu user, so I asked here first
[16:04] <nubae> lots of stuff will work mainly on ubuntu I guess (ltsp-cluster, local apps, fat client, etc)
[16:06] <berriop> ok, We are finishing the portfolio, once its done I will email you the exact titled
[16:06] <stgraber> ogra: I guess we'll have the UDS (end of May, early June ?) and then the LTSP hackfest (July ?), that's at least what I have scheduled for June-July
[16:07] <ogra> stgraber, we also have an llhands meeing from that company around that time
[16:07] <ogra> and i dont know what mobile tasks might still come
[16:08] <berriop> i see u are really busy then :)
[16:08] <nubae> is the lecture just on thin client systems?
[16:09] <berriop> anyway we ll try that the dates will not b the same as another related conf or meetin
[16:09] <berriop> it is about thin clients and grid computing
[17:20] <Fritz87> hey guys! anyone do black friday shopping this morning?
[17:21] <Fritz87> I managed to hold myself back
[17:21] <Fritz87> although I almost bought a garmin and a 22" lcd
[17:21] <Fritz87> oops, worng channel, my apologies
[21:02] <Ahmuck> i was trying out iTalC but it was only showing me my login, not the others?


[00:11] <xubuntu00w> Hello Bashing-om, sorry for the delay. Lost power over here. Very bad thunderstorms.
[00:11] <xubuntu00w> What was it you wanted me to type in again.
[00:12] <xubuntu00w> Issue with loop login. Not letting me login to my desk top.
[00:14] <Unit193> !xhangs
[00:15] <Unit193> You can try that out.
[00:19] <xubuntu00w> Hello (Unit193) it is telling me no such file or directory
[00:23] <Bashing-om> xubuntu00w: In terminal type ' ls -al /home | nc termbin.com 9999 '.
[00:24] <xubuntu00w> OK doing it now.
[00:25] <Bashing-om> xubuntu00w: "The result is a URL back
[00:25] <Bashing-om>                     in the terminal, Pass that link back here.
[00:37] <xubuntu00w> Nothing is happens.
[00:39] <Bashing-om> xubuntu00w: Check, check and verify that you ( copy and paste for best results ) exactly. My result: https://termbin.com/kjzv .
[00:41] <xubuntu00w> It says https://termbin.com/kijw
[00:43] <Bashing-om> xubuntu00w: ".ecryptfs" >> do you presently have the file system de-crypted ?
[00:51] <xubuntu00w> Not that I am aware of.
[00:57] <Bashing-om> xubuntu00w: Just as a poke and a hope terminal command: ' ls -al /home/castillo | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . And pass that URL back.
[01:02] <xubuntu00w> "https://termbin.com/6zdv
[01:03] <Bashing-om> !nick | xubuntu00w
[01:04] <Bashing-om> xubuntu00w: Opps not the bot I expected .. What I wanted to direct your attention to is to use ,y nuck when addressing me . I am also inother cvhannels, If you do not kick I do not know.
[01:05] <Unit193> > core, something took a dump.
[01:09] <Bashing-om> Unit193: xubuntu00w: No telling what happened - for reference my result: https://termbin.com/unjx. Presently xubuntu00w I have no idea of what to recommend here. encryption -> stage left.
[10:08] <HiDeHo> Hi again i am now wanting to add some simple options to the right-clcik menu in thunar. they are not showing unless i first open thunar as root
[10:09] <HiDeHo> every time i open thunar without root all the options are blank like they are not saved
[10:24] <brainwash> HiDeHo: custom actions? maybe something to do with permissions
[10:24] <brainwash> check ~/.config/Thunar
[11:37] <xubuntu16i> installing xubuntu on an os-free lenovo ideapad 330 ... nothing's broken yet!
[11:41] <diogenes_> nice, i always had troubles with linux on lenovos machines.
[15:05] <xubuntu56w> good morning, you brazil
[15:11] <chaslinux> Does anyone know which file under ~/.config controls which media player is launched by default for each content type (music cd/dvd movie)?
[15:15] <brainwash> chaslinux: mimeapps.list
[15:17] <chaslinux> Thank you!
[15:23] <chaslinux> Hmmn, the mimeapps.list isn't showing the media configuration we have (we changed from parole to vlc), must be taking it from something in /etc
[15:24] <brainwash> /usr/share/xubuntu/applications/defaults.list
[15:25] <brainwash> this one is provided by xubuntu
[15:25] <brainwash> user changes go in ~/.config/mimeapps.list
[15:40] <chaslinux> Thanks brainwash that helped me find what I was looking for, the file was ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/thunar-volman.xml
[16:15] <NGRhodes> Lightlocker is rather broken, 19.04 has xfce4-screensaver, is there any chance it and xflock could be backported to 18.04 ?
[22:57] <Soid> How do I create a live Linux USB with all the programs to repair PC
[22:59] <Bashing-om> Soid: One does not - No media can be big enough to hold ALL the tools that are available, In such an instance of need, one downloads and installs the tool needed at that time.
[23:01] <well_laid_lawn> doen't knoppix have everything in a live enironment?
[23:01] <Soid> Bashing-om: do you know the mini window xp of hirens boot ?? something like that but with linux
[23:03] <Soid> What I really want is to be able to create an iso with some distribution of linux that once contains a series of tools that I already have and can simply install it on a USB or DVD every time that kl...
[23:05] <Bashing-om> Soid: Been ages and ages since I have booted Windows; linux foes have many means of repair: for instamce: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair .
[23:06] <Soid> Bashing-om: I know him, but I earn my living installing S.O and this is something I do not do the same thing every time
[23:09] <Soid> Bashing-om: So today cleaning my xubuntu I found Hirens boot and bootie on another computer and I like the amount of software you have to repair a PC from a mini window
[23:09] <Soid> so I want to do the same but with a Linux ISO
[23:10] <Bashing-om> Soid: I know of nothing in linux similar - perhaps others can advise the better.
[23:13] <Soid> Bashing-om: there is no software that allows me to modify, install and / or add programs to any iso that I want?
[23:20] <Soid> Bashing-om: Put in google I just found this https://ubunlog.com/cubic-iso-personalizada-ubuntu/ it's called Cubic I'll try it to see


[02:42] <openweek4> quit
[10:51] <Panoramix> date -u
[10:55] <TuxPurple> Panoramix, type that in Terminal
[10:59] <Panoramix> thankU TuxPurple
[10:59] <TuxPurple> you are welcome
[11:58] <delcoyote> hi
[17:55] <hackoo> hello
[22:38] <openweek0> hi


[07:17] <seb128> hum, are we out of builders?
[07:19] <cjwatson> Just a big pile of Lubuntu CI builds really
[07:20] <cjwatson> Should clear up soon enough
[07:20] <seb128> k, thx
[09:04] <cpaelzer_> bryce: https://code.launchpad.net/~kstenerud/ubuntu/+source/php7.2/+git/php7.2/+merge/364746
[12:15] <bdmurray> cyphermox: Can we close this out? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gssdp/+bug/1799977
[12:22] <cyphermox> da
[13:35] <infinity> dannf: Do you have context on LP: #1842284 (or can you poke ike for me)?
[13:36] <dannf> infinity: yes, and yes - asked him to join
[13:41] <dannf> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1842284/comments/3
[13:45] <infinity> dannf: Ah-ha.  Fair enough.
[13:47] <coreycb> rbasak: hi, if you have a chance would you be able to take a look at accepting keystone into disco-updates for bug 1832265 ?
[13:53] <rbasak> coreycb: I'm not sure it's going to happen today, but I will if I get a moment.
[13:59] <coreycb> rbasak: thanks. that's blocking another SRU that's getting heat in bootstack.
[14:00] <coreycb> edsousa: i think you want to run:  juju run-action ceilometer/0 ceilometer-upgrade
[14:01] <coreycb> edsousa: sorry wrong channel
[15:15] <LocutusOfBorg> <7lidy
[15:37] <cpaelzer_> doko: FYI I filed the assembly issue at https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=25012


[05:51] <cpatrick08> I was on the Cd Image server and noticed their is a Ubuntu-Canary iso. I was wondering what the differences are between it and the regular Ubuntu Daily ISO.
[07:26] <gimpnixon> can I ask about Ubuntu 21.04 here?
[08:20] <eoli3n> xnox Hi, wasn't there. Could you add details to issues please ?
[09:52] <eoli3n> 23:19 xnox: eoli3n:  either you need to mount tmpfs as /target/run _before_ invoking in-target (it checks for that), or we need to adjust chromium-browser.preinst to test that we are not inside a chroot. Cause that's not somewhere where
[09:52] <eoli3n> snapd can run.
[09:53] <eoli3n> you need to checkin preinst, because i need some other things in /run to run ansible properly
[09:54] <eoli3n> if you have any more specific workaround ?
[10:08] <xnox> eoli3n:  ack.
[14:31] <dbungert> doko: looks like you're looking into dh-exec.  Do you want me to continue on this?
[14:33] <doko> dbungert: please do, I just tried to find the offending code, but don't know if it's safe to replace it
[14:34] <dbungert> doko: will do, thanks
[16:45] <GunnarHj> Hi doko, I'm about to change the symbols files for two C++ packages (opencc and marisa) to address FTBFS after LTO was turned on. Is that the right way to deal with it, or would disabling LTO be better?
[18:08] <leftyfb> I'm trying to backport a package from focal to xenial. Specfically wpa_supplicant 2.9. I can download the source on focal, compile it and it installs and runs fine on xenial. I'm trying to take that same source and get it into a PPA. The issue I'm running into is the build system complaining about debhelper-compat. I've tried setting it to "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 9)," in the debian-control but that doesn't seem to work. Also, I
[18:08] <leftyfb> did all this or porting wpa2.9 from focal to bionic and it all worked fine
[18:10] <leftyfb> I've also tried "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (>= 9)," and "Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (>= 9~),". Neither of those seem to be valid for debhelper where the same syntax works fine on the other dependencies
[18:11] <dbungert> leftyfb: you may need to tweak debian/compat
[18:12] <leftyfb> I tried removing the debhelper-compat line from the control file completely and just adding a "9" to debian/compat, as the error message suggested. That seemed to make it angrier than normal. :)
[18:12] <leftyfb> dbungert: got any suggestions on how that file should look? BTW, it doesn't actually exist in the original source
[18:13] <dbungert> leftyfb: ah, 'echo 9 > debian/compat' was my assumption, sounds like something else is going on
[18:19] <leftyfb> this is with it specified as "9" in both the control and compat files https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/gcgdfV5vr5/
[18:25] <dbungert> well, it definitely seems unhappy about the value in both compat and control, so your original way in compat was probably fine.  Which sends you back to your original problem.
[18:35] <RikMills> leftyfb: if you have 9 in debian/compat then set 'Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9)' in debian control?
[18:35] <leftyfb> let me try
[18:37] <RikMills> that is what most xenial packages will have
[18:37] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Pg4sWsyfD9/
[18:38] <RikMills> you didn't do what I said
[18:38] <RikMills> debhelper, not debhelper-compat
[18:38] <leftyfb> oh
[18:39] <leftyfb> do I remove/replace debhelper-compat?
[18:39] <RikMills> repleace with debhelper (>= 9)
[18:39] <RikMills> as you still need debhelper as a build dep
[18:41] <leftyfb> ok, that is working so far, pushing to LP. Next issue, got any fancy ways to do something like this (trying different things to push to PPA) so that I don't need to keep incrementing the version? Deleting says happens every 6 hours, yet after about 20 I'm still not able to upload (force) the same version with some changes
[18:43] <RikMills> leftyfb: nope. once you use a version in a PPA, that version is 'burned' for future use permanently
[18:43] <leftyfb> boo
[18:43] <leftyfb> ok, thanks
[18:44] <RikMills> it is a security thing. bad actors can't silently replace packages with identical versions but different contents
[18:45] <RikMills> same applies to the main archive
[18:48] <leftyfb> build failed
[18:48] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KgMH9TJxdk/
[18:48] <leftyfb> it's not clear to me what is wrong now
[18:56] <leftyfb> it looks like it might be related to the libnl-3-dev. I have specified version >= 3.2.27~ in the control file
[19:02] <RikMills> possible that xenial has too old a glibc for that to compile
[19:03] <leftyfb> I can build a local .deb fine using the same source
[19:04] <RikMills> build on xenial?
[19:05] <leftyfb> to be honest, I forget where I built it. It know I built it FOR xenial and it built and installs and works fine on it
[19:54] <doko> GunnarHj: for a package in main, yes, update the symbols file. do you have a build log with the missing symbols? if it's in universe and you don't want to fix it, add it to the lto-blocklist package
[20:12] <RikMills> doko: I did some discussion in another place. package was marisa in universe. build with missing symbols was in your rebuild ppa I believe. a proposed symbols fix was https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/+archive/ubuntu/marisa/+sourcepub/12264722/+listing-archive-extra
[20:14] <RikMills> but I think doing optional=lto instead of complicated !arch changes would again be better
[20:14] <RikMills> plus that personal ppa did not do riscv64
[20:17]  * RikMills goes back to his pint of beer
[20:59] <doko> RikMills: sure, I'm preferring optional=lto as well. But if it's universe and you don't want to fix things now, just add to the lto-blocklist
[22:04] <RikMills> doko: fair. I just don't want to postpone the inevitable for my ones
[22:40] <bdmurray> RikMills: Why did you tag bug 1681830 hirsute? I don't see any indication in it that it affects hirsute.
[22:43] <RikMills> bdmurray: because it does affect hirsute still, and I want it to show up in the filtered bug list to put on the kubuntu beta notes
[22:43] <RikMills> it is only KDE front end that if affects
[22:43] <RikMills> plus it is a reminder for me to try to look at it :(
[22:44] <bdmurray> RikMills: Adding some details would have avoided this conversation. ;-)
[22:44] <RikMills> sorry. noted


[18:31] <akutz> What is the expectation of the METADATA_CHANGE when it is eventually funded? Do we expect that it will respond at runtime? Ex. will cloud-init maintain a loop that polls the DS for changes?
[18:51] <falcojr> akutz: or some kind of long-poll socket, but yes, something along those lines if somebody wants to opt-in to it
[19:35] <blackboxsw> falcojr: holmanb sorry for delay. Here is a PR to help address ds-identify detection of LXD KVM instances when launched from Jammy
[19:35] <blackboxsw> https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/1370
[19:36] <blackboxsw> took me a while to write up the related bug
[19:36] <blackboxsw> as I'd like to target that bug for fixing in Jammy
[19:36] <blackboxsw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1968085
[19:49] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: no problem at all, looking now
[20:00] <akutz> falcojr: that sounds about right, thanks for the confirmation. my real question was to understand whether the METADATA_CHANGE event was intended to be another boot time event or runtime. If it's runtime then it's what I expected it would be. I'm thinking of when users want to add NICs or modify network settings from outside the guest and how to pipe that information into the guest.
[20:01] <falcojr> akutz: yes, it's runtime
[20:03] <akutz> falcojr: nice. is there any plumbing in place yet for runtime reconfig of networking yet? I'm not talking about the eventing work, but just the ability to cause a network reconfig post-boot. I might be tempted to work on the eventing if the networking side was already present.
[20:08] <falcojr> akutz: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#install-hotplug is what turns it on. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/cmd/devel/hotplug_hook.py is what we run in response to the udev event
[20:08] <falcojr> is that what you're looking for?
[20:09] <akutz> Yes, thank you. So I can imagine an eventual 'updates: network: when: ["hotplug", "metadata"]'
[20:12] <falcojr> as of right now, yes, something like that
[20:16] <blackboxsw> oooh, I'm getting excited with that conversation about hotplug metadata :)
[20:16] <blackboxsw> holmanb: just pushed flake fixes and updated the requested commit msg.
[20:16] <blackboxsw> on 1370
[20:17] <blackboxsw> awiating CI, then we should be able to squash merge with the suggested commit msg in the description
[20:23] <akutz> falcojr: by the way, thanks for the confirmation on the networkd thing. I spoke with the other VMware engineer, and he agrees it's an issue we should resolve. We discussed two options, and he's considering which one to use.
[20:23] <falcojr> sounds good
[20:25] <akutz> Crud -- I just realized the challenge on metadata updates. Where our updates do not require networking, EC2 and other datasources get that info from their ephemeral DHCP network. I imagine by the time the instance is online it can no longer access that metadata URL? Or maybe it can? I do not really know. So yeah, ultimately to opt-in to supporting this, datasources would have to revaluate how/when they are able to provide metadata.
[20:26] <holmanb> @blackboxsw: thanks!
[20:30] <falcojr> akutz: not exactly sure I follow, but across most datasources, metadata URLs should still be reachable after boot has finished
[20:32] <akutz> Ack. I wasn't sure since EC2 uses the ephemeral DHCP network to grab its metadata. I wasn't sure if that meant the URL was no longer available once the actual network is up.
[20:34] <akutz> And my point is that since many DSs use networking to check metadata, cloud-init's own polling mechanism would likely want to be aware of that and not be over-eager in checking for MD changes (since it could result in network traffic). It's up to the DS though -- it could use a websocket to just "watch" the MD endpoint. I imagine CI would say "our polling interval and how you poll should be completely divorced from one another."
[20:35] <falcojr> akutz: right, yeah, there's still a lot of details to work out


[06:46] <Kilos> afternoon everyone
[06:47] <pavlushka> afternoon Kilos :)
[06:48] <Kilos> haha
[06:48] <pavlushka> anyone here running xubuntu?
[06:52] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: The question is more who here is actually running a flavour of Ubuntu :)
[06:53] <pavlushka> lol, this is #ubuntu-za channel! how irrelevant that could be, :p
[06:57] <qwebirc28282> good afternoon
[06:57] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: but may be the actual scenario is that what you are describing.
[06:57] <qwebirc28282> No one wants to ask, how to lock the desktop background settings that can not be changed  in ubuntu.
[06:57] <qwebirc28282> anyone can help me ?
[06:57] <Kilos> hi qwebirc28282
[06:58] <Kilos> what do you need help with
[06:58] <Kilos> oh i see
[06:58] <Kilos> which release of ubuntu have you got
[06:59] <qwebirc28282> Ubuntu 12.10
[07:00] <Kilos> oh my thats so old
[07:00] <qwebirc28282> I also disposable Ubuntu 16:04lts
[07:01] <Kilos> http://www.complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-lock-your-screen-computer
[07:04] <qwebirc28282> that's not what I mean ,,
[07:04] <qwebirc28282> the point is how do I prevent my desktop display image can not be changed
[07:04] <Kilos> how is it changing
[07:04] <Kilos> are you the only one using it
[07:05] <qwebirc28282> I wanted to lock his desktop background so that other people can not change
[07:07] <qwebirc28282> can understand what I mean /
[07:07] <Kilos> yes im trying to find out
[07:08] <Kilos> right click on screen and see options
[07:08] <Kilos> i can remember how i did it back then
[07:08] <Kilos> i cant remember sorry
[07:09] <Kilos> but we will find a way
[07:09] <qwebirc28282> so how
[07:09] <qwebirc28282> ?
[07:09] <Kilos> im using google to see how others have done it
[07:10] <Kilos> google how to lock desktop background on 12.04
[07:10] <Kilos> there many links
[07:10] <qwebirc28282> okey, i wait
[07:12] <Kilos> one guy says do this in the terminal
[07:12] <Kilos> su USERNAME -c 'COMMAND'
[07:12] <superfly> Kilos: no, that's running a command as another user
[07:12] <Kilos> pavlushka jump in here
[07:12] <Kilos> ty superfly
[07:14] <theblazehen> Have a look at polkit stuff potentially? Although I think that is more just system side stuff. gconf might have it, otherwise cron job every minute to set the background
[07:14] <Kilos> theblazehen can you help him
[07:14] <theblazehen> Kilos not right now, sorry. Maybe later if no one else can
[07:15] <Kilos> too much in google about that and cron jobs are for it peeps
[07:15] <Kilos> IT
[07:15] <pavlushka> qwebirc28282: like theblazehen said, you can set a cronjob to set it back the background.
[07:15] <Kilos> qwebirc28282 go through this http://askubuntu.com/questions/124456/is-there-a-way-to-disable-changing-the-background-in-gnome
[07:18] <theblazehen> qwebirc28282 https://github.com/TomSmeets/FractalArt#gnome can set the background
[07:18] <pavlushka> qwebirc28282: you can lock your user account , so no one can even access it and set up another account for others.
[07:19] <pavlushka> qwebirc28282: that way the background set by you will remain unchanged.
[08:05] <inetpro> goeiedag mense
[08:29] <Kilos> dag se inetpro
[08:47] <andrewlsd> hi theblazehen Kilos paddatrapper inetpro superfly
[08:47] <theblazehen> hi andrewlsd
[08:48] <andrewlsd> Anyone else here having issues trying to `apt update` against za.archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:48]  * superfly doesn't use Ubuntu anymore
[08:48] <tumbleweed> last time I looked, za.archive.ubuntu.com was in Kenya
[08:48] <andrewlsd> I'm getting this: "The repository 'http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file"
[08:49] <theblazehen> Had that some time back. thatgraemeguy or Symmetria manages it I think?
[08:49]  * inetpro is in a meeting
[08:49] <inetpro> will test asap
[08:49] <andrewlsd> superfly: what are you using now? (mobile only?)
[08:49] <superfly> andrewlsd: Debian
[08:49] <superfly> theblazehen: Symmetria, not thatgraemeguy
[08:49] <andrewlsd> aah. pure, or via another Deb distro?
[08:50] <superfly> pure
[08:50] <tumbleweed> andrewlsd: yeah, I'm getting a bunch of 403s from it
[08:50] <tumbleweed> let's tell #ubuntu-mirrors
[08:50] <andrewlsd> thanks tumbleweed
[08:50] <andrewlsd> I wanted to make sure it was not just me.
[08:52] <paddatrapper> hey andrewlsd Kilos inetpro, everyone
[08:52] <theblazehen> hi paddatrapper
[08:53] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[08:56] <Kilos> Symmetria your mirror sick today?
[09:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[09:02] <Kilos> sorry for the join parts
[09:02] <Kilos> net sucks here
[09:45] <Kilos> andrewlsd is that repo fixed
[09:46] <Kilos> neology is working fine
[09:47] <andrewlsd> thanks Kilos
[09:48] <Kilos> yw
[09:49] <andrewlsd> Kilos: liquid-telecom one still says "Archive-Update-in-Progress-mirror.liquidtelecom.com"
[09:49] <Kilos> ah that will explain it
[09:50] <Kilos> i thought Symmetria had it set to update after midnight
[09:54] <inetpro> midnight on what timezone?
[09:54] <Kilos> he is close to us
[09:54] <Kilos> 1 hour diffs maybe
[09:56] <andrewlsd> (I have switched to the Neology mirror now)
[09:56] <Kilos> nice and fast imo
[09:56] <Kilos> ipv6
[11:09] <inetpro> uh-oh!
[11:09] <inetpro> Symmetria: waar is jy?
[11:30]  * andrewlsd disconnecs
[11:45] <Kilos> haha
[11:55] <pavlushka> andrewlsd: you have a bad disconnect, connect first and then disconnect properly :p
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <MaNI> Is there an easy command I can use to find out -which- 14.04 someone is on? i.e. is it 14.04.1 or 14.04.4 or whatever
[11:59] <pavlushka> MaNI: lsb_release -rd
[12:00] <MaNI> thanks
[12:01] <Kilos> well done pavlushka
[12:01] <Kilos> ill be coming to you for tutoring some time
[12:02] <pavlushka> thanks oom Kilos  :)
[12:04] <Kilos> did you help that indian guy pavlushka ?
[12:04] <pavlushka> Kilos: She/He got properly disconnected.
[12:05] <Kilos> ai!
[12:45] <inetpro> Kilos: so, what is the neology address for updates?
[12:45] <Kilos> sec
[12:47] <Kilos> http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu
[12:51] <inetpro> dankie
[12:51] <Kilos> baie welkom
[12:57] <inetpro> sudo sed -i'.bak' 's/za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:22] <inetpro> or even better, change them all at once
[13:22] <inetpro> ansible all_ubuntu -m replace -s -a "dest=/etc/apt/sources.list regexp='za.archive.ubuntu.com' replace='ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za' backup=yes"
[13:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:34] <Kilos> i just tick it in synaptic repositories
[13:41] <inetpro> with that ^^ I changed the mirror to neology on 12 machines at once
[14:00] <Kilos> well done my son
[14:00] <Kilos> you too clever for your own good
[14:25] <Kilos> Maaz tell LangJan http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-things-you-can-do-in-kde-but-not-on-other-linux-desktops-1.html
[14:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[14:26] <Kilos>  Maaz tell LangJan  https://www.linux.com/learn/how-use-kde-plasma-desktop-pro
[14:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell Langjan on freenode
[16:00]  * Kilos awaits langjan
[16:00] <Kilos> still having flash issues
[16:21] <jan_> Hi kil
[16:21] <jan_> Kilos,
[16:22] <Kilos> hi jan_
[16:22] <Kilos> kil tab man
[16:23] <jan_> I got a new name with a tail
[16:23] <Kilos> i see so
[16:23] <Kilos> hyou supposed to put the right name in when you setup man
[16:23] <jan_> how was your day?
[16:23] <Kilos> slow and peaceful ty and yours
[16:24] <jan_> It picked up from previous files - sorry!
[16:24] <jan_> Also fine thks
[16:25] <Kilos> lol
[16:25] <Kilos> dont be sorry man
[16:26] <Kilos> you the one with the wrong nick and a tail
[16:26] <jan_> Ja be careful.
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:26] <Kilos> you still having flash issue?
[16:26] <Kilos> explain when it happens
[16:26] <Kilos> playing local stuff or streaming
[16:26] <jan_> yes but first maybe try fix this: N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[16:28] <jan_> You tube videos fine but shows error on this site for example: http://www.speedtest.net/
[16:29] <Kilos> lemme see
[16:31] <Kilos> long story as well
[16:31] <Kilos> type in saix.net
[16:31] <jan_> terminal?
[16:31] <Kilos> no in browser
[16:32] <Kilos> url thing
[16:32] <jan_> I get a long list from Google
[16:33] <jan_> now I get Telkom
[16:34] <jan_> It asks for flash then shows same error
[16:34] <Kilos> eish
[16:35] <Kilos> lets wait for inetpro he will know the cure
[16:35] <jan_> ok thks
[16:36] <jan_> Any suggestion how to fix this one? Shows up in terminal every time: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[16:37] <jan_> Link does not open here
[16:37] <Kilos> sudo nano it
[16:37] <Kilos> then you can read it
[16:38] <jan_> sudo nano then the link?
[16:38] <Kilos> ya
[16:38] <Kilos> thats a path to where that error is logged or kept
[16:39] <Kilos> in you root files
[16:39] <Kilos> superfly you busy sir?
[16:40] <Kilos> you not in family time i know
[16:40] <jan_> It showsblank page and some settings at the bottom, i.e. get help etc
[16:40] <Kilos> maybe ,making your own supper
[16:40] <Kilos> lemme see mine
[16:41] <Kilos> ya empty as well
[16:41] <Kilos> control x to close it
[16:41] <superfly> YouTube doesn't use Flash anymore.
[16:41] <superfly> Speedtest uses Flask
[16:41] <jan_> found the file, should I try dlete it?
[16:42] <superfly> can't you install that flash-plugin-installer package?
[16:42] <superfly> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=flashplugin-installer
[16:43] <Kilos> oom jan fly talking to you
[16:44] <jan_> Sorry superfly thks I see that site the 16.04 option is 64 bit? My system is 32
[16:44] <superfly> jan_: I don't know, I don't use Flash
[16:45] <superfly> jan_: just install the package
[16:45] <jan_> ok
[16:49] <jan_> Site recommends synaptic, theres a list of flashplugins, pepperflash is already installed - do I have to add another and if so how do I detect which one?
[16:53] <jan_> Installing
[17:00] <jan_> Ah progress, synaptic is fixing broken packages
[17:04] <Kilos> yay
[17:11] <jan_> Kilos, gotta go for dinner, many thks so far
[17:21] <Kilos-> mine was also a partial package of the flashplugin-installer
[17:22] <Kilos-> go synaptic
[17:22] <Kilos-> jan_ tell me your speedtest is working now
[17:22] <Kilos-> mine is
[18:02] <jan_> Hi Kilos- im afraid the broken packages prob is not resolved
[18:03] <Kilos-> eish
[18:04] <Kilos-> and if you go to edit in synaptic and tick fix broken?
[18:06] <jan_> It brings up the same error as before
[18:06] <Kilos-> you got the guts to try this
[18:07] <Kilos-> http://www.iasptk.com/ubuntu-fix-broken-package-best-solution/
[18:08] <Kilos-> does it tell you which package is broken jan_ ?
[18:08] <jan_> N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[18:08] <jan_> E: The update command takes no arguments
[18:08] <Kilos-> then we can get rid of it
[18:09] <Kilos-> im scared to play in those files
[18:09] <Kilos-> 30 mins then the pro should arrive
[18:09] <Kilos-> inetpro ?
[18:10] <Kilos-> wheres frogboots
[18:10] <Kilos-> hmm...
[18:12] <Kilos-> do sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[18:13] <Kilos-> jan_ ^^
[18:13] <jan_> just as ec
[18:16] <jan_> Its fixed
[18:16] <Kilos-> how
[18:16] <jan_> synaptic this time fixed them
[18:16] <Kilos-> hahaha
[18:17] <Kilos-> i like synaptic
[18:17] <Kilos-> made for ballies
[18:17] <Kilos-> with dementia
[18:17] <jan_> but this output is still there: N: Ignoring file '50unattended-upgrades.ucf-old' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[18:17] <jan_>
[18:17] <jan_> every time the terminal runs it ends there
[18:17] <Kilos-> there is nothing in it even
[18:18] <Kilos-> can you rename it
[18:18] <Kilos-> can you find that system.d folder
[18:18] <jan_> well you gave me the link, I think running those comamnds helped
[18:19] <Kilos-> i forget how to see root files in unity
[18:19] <jan_> I found it and deleted it but it seems to have come back in the upgrade
[18:19] <Kilos-> if you can find that one right click rename it
[18:20] <Kilos-> name it with a 1 at the end
[18:20] <Kilos-> then do the update upgrade thing again
[18:20] <Kilos-> i know nothing about system.d
[18:21] <Kilos-> if renaming it crashes something then you just rename it back again
[18:23] <jan_> I did this now all packages are up to date: http://askubuntu.com/questions/829370/n-ignoring-file-50unattended-upgrades-ucf-dist-in-directory-etc-apt-apt-con
[18:24] <jan_> hooray!
[18:25] <jan_> Now let me check some video sites that were messing me around
[18:26] <Kilos-> yay
[18:26] <Kilos-> well done toppie
[18:32] <jan_> Thks but you put me on track
[18:32] <Kilos-> no man
[18:32] <jan_> videos working but not right
[18:32] <Kilos-> im sure you just come here when you are lonely
[18:33] <jan_> I remember there was a conflict with flash and something on firefox
[18:33] <Kilos-> what you mean not right
[18:33] <Kilos-> you fixed flash now
[18:34] <jan_> streaming on cricfree is extremely erratic and keeps freezing
[18:34] <Kilos-> what is cricfree
[18:34] <Kilos-> freezing or buffering
[18:34] <jan_> no freezing
[18:35] <Kilos-> for how long
[18:35] <jan_> media on family site are working, hooray!
[18:35] <jan_> comes and goes
[18:35] <Kilos-> what comes and goes
[18:35] <jan_> screen goes gray
[18:35] <jan_> then video sticks
[18:36] <Kilos-> have you checked for additional drivers
[18:36] <Kilos-> type additional in dash
[18:36] <jan_> ok
[18:37] <jan_> additional drivers is installed
[18:37] <Kilos-> ok
[18:37] <Kilos-> is it activated
[18:37] <Kilos-> i dont know if one still has to do that
[18:38] <Kilos-> what is the graphics card
[18:38] <jan_> shows unknown and is not working
[18:39] <Kilos-> does it not show any options
[18:39] <Kilos-> what card man
[18:39] <Kilos-> or is it onboard graphics
[18:40] <jan_> additional drivers in software updates activated now
[18:41] <jan_> solved.  Its a virus
[18:52] <Kilos-> did you use the nick command
[18:52] <Langjan> yes
[18:52] <Kilos-> then you will need to do it everytime
[18:53] <Langjan> lets see, check you later
[18:53] <Kilos-> somewhere in hexchat must be where you add your nick
[18:54] <Kilos-> maaz tell lanjan http://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started.html
[18:54] <Maaz> Kilos-: I don't know who lanjan is.  Blou bloed. Ok nou verlaat ek jou, lekker slaap
[19:20] <Kilos> lekker slaap oom
[19:20] <Langjan> dankie Kilos
[19:20] <Langjan> jy ook
[19:20] <Kilos> antime
[19:20] <Kilos> anytime too
[19:26] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight


[00:14] <Reiji> hi
[00:14] <Reiji> I have a problem.
[00:14] <Reiji> I installed just kubuntu 14.04 on my laptop
[00:15] <Reiji> i get the error meessage thatthe setting module of the  energy management couldn't be loaded
[00:18] <Reiji> *I get the error message that says "Power Management configuration module could not be loaded
[00:18] <Reiji> Power Management configuration module could not be loaded
[01:26] <bubblehead> I cant get my dvd to load??
[01:27] <bubblehead> After reboot, the program doesn't load.
[01:28] <bubblehead> the 3rd choice ends in error
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:03] <cow`> quit
[08:03] <soee> ;)
[10:56] <soee> vote please https://plus.google.com/110954078302330754910/posts/1aa5GRRL5LC :)
[11:19] <lordievader> soee: Vote on what?
[11:19] <soee> well i can't tell you on what  - its your decision :)
[11:20] <lordievader> soee: What is it about, that's what I mean...
[11:20] <soee> lordievader: just want to know if users are interested in Plasma 5.2 and Vivid release
[12:16] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[12:19] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj_: howdy
[12:20] <BluesKaj_> Hi yossarianuk , what's up ?
[12:21] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj_: Nadda - was just responding to your howdy ...
[12:23] <BluesKaj_> ok :)
[12:59] <David1965> the irc.atheme.org appear to be web based but there is no email address to which I can upload my crypto subsystem to
[13:48] <DEEAN> Hello
[13:49] <soee> hiho
[13:49] <DEEAN> somebody could help me
[13:49] <lordievader> o/
[13:50] <DEEAN> I installed kubuntu 14.04 andy I can not to change to language
[13:50] <DEEAN> only in american english....why??
[13:52] <DEEAN> pv please
[13:53] <soee> DEEAN: you have only english avaialble ?
[13:53] <lordievader> DEEAN: Did you install the particular language pack?
[13:54] <BluesKaj_> DEEAN, kmenu >c omputer>system settings>locale> country and language tabs
[14:10] <DEEAN> sorry...I have only  english avaiable....
[14:11] <DEEAN> I installed language pack...
[14:13] <DEEAN> I changed in system setting >locales> country and language tabs...but, when change to other language, back to american english
[14:14] <DEEAN> someone feels the same?
[14:15] <DEEAN> I don not to do , I have kubuntu 14.04 and kde 4.13.3
[14:59] <foras> всем ку !
[15:00] <BluesKaj_> !ru | foras
[15:00] <DEEAN> hello
[15:00] <foras>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:16] <daum> hey guys - i'm trying to install an updated version of gnucash on trusty, however after following how to add the getdeb repo, i now get https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4d525159519cab241119 when i try to install it, any ideas how to fix those errors?
[16:20] <lordievader> daum: Is it a trusty ppa?
[16:20] <daum> ha fail - totally added the wrong one
[16:20] <daum> that was the issue
[16:20] <daum> added the 14.10 one
[17:58] <Guest77206> heoo
[17:58] <Guest77206> hi
[17:58] <Guest77206> dsfsd
[18:54] <EvilRoey> Question/problem:  I can't pull down the Yakuake console AND use both shift keys together to switch languages (it's either one or the other working at a time).  How do I diagnose the issue?
[18:54] <EvilRoey> hey all
[18:54] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  hi!
[18:54] <BluesKaj> hey Roey
[18:55] <EvilRoey> hey hey
[18:55] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  I had been mentally pronouncing your nickname as "blooz-kadge" since we first met here.
[18:56] <EvilRoey> then it dawned on me one day that the "j" in your nickname can be pronbounced "y", thus rendering pronunciation of your nickname as "Blue Sky".
[18:56] <EvilRoey> which is it? I forget
[18:58] <BluesKaj> the latter,the letter J in europe is mostly pronounced as an "I" or "y"
[18:59] <BluesKaj> my name Kaj is fairly common in Scandinavian
[18:59] <BluesKaj> names
[19:01] <EvilRoey> ah
[19:01] <BluesKaj> but my nick is a play on words because I also play in blues/rock band \
[19:01] <EvilRoey> I thought your name is Kaj actually
[19:01] <EvilRoey> yeah :)
[19:01] <EvilRoey> so it is how I thought thne
[19:01] <EvilRoey> clever :)
[19:03] <BluesKaj> Roy or Roey ?
[19:03] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  ro-EE
[19:03] <EvilRoey> that's how you pronounce it
[19:03] <BluesKaj> right
[19:04] <BluesKaj> i thought that
[19:04] <EvilRoey> legally Roy but I spell it Roey to make it easier to pronounce right
[19:04] <EvilRoey> I am from Israel
[19:04] <EvilRoey> and unfortunately it is difficult to translate the Hebrew pronunciation to English orthography
[19:05] <BluesKaj> heh, no kidding :)
[19:05] <BluesKaj> ok , got snow to clear here ... bbl
[19:05] <EvilRoey> :)


[00:00] <guiverc> yes please... (I likely missed heaps given it 'blew up' yesterday arvo for me, and I didn't leave this box on
[00:00] <Bashing-om> (^ and then I went a took a long nap to sleep on it)
[00:00] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Gimme a few tics to split the list out and upload.
[00:03] <kryten> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001923.html - there is also this in the meantime btw.  And the links the first one includes should be sufficient to give an adequate picture.
[00:04] <guiverc> thanks kryten
[00:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: My list - may take you a bit to wade through all this: https://termbin.com/ncrn .
[00:08] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[00:11] <Bashing-om> UWN: Agreed, we lead with kryten's later link suggestion.
[00:12] <kryten> If we are lucky, there is going to be an actual announcement in the meantime though.
[00:13] <kryten> Not that I heard of anything of that sort yet though, just hoping we won't have to break the news by linking to resolution emails..
[00:19] <Bashing-om> kryten: My thought is to bullet all this hype stuff and media attention under the Planet summary of -so far- of "freenode changes owners, jose resigns as staff.".
[00:24] <kryten> I disagree, and I'll leave it you as an exercise to figure out why. >_<
[00:24] <kryten> There is various reasons in there!
[00:26] <Bashing-om> kryten: we see what settles out - We might end up bulletting under a phoronix.com summary.
[00:27] <kryten> Now you have got to be kidding me.. making it worse as a potential option.. :P
[00:30] <kryten> Ok, I'll try and solve the riddle.. I think it's most appropriate to 1.) keep it in the General News section as suggested and 2.) keep it as a.. general news item rather than one dedicated to a single affected ex-staffer.
[00:32] <kryten> Just as I said I'm hoping that we get a better offical resource to link to than those two resolution emails - but not getting one won't change this.
[00:33] <Bashing-om> kryten: Kay - me likes it KISS .
[02:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "bdmurray's latest release annoucement" Did not see such in my sources - got a link handy ?
[02:17] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2021-May/005216.html
[02:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Huh ! where was my mind as that is in my sources -- lemme look again :) After a smoke break.
[02:20] <guiverc> I watch release & other ML for fridge purposes... probably why it came across my radar
[02:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Oh I did read that ^ - did not think it was useful to us. Am I mistaken ?
[02:23] <guiverc> nope... I don't believe you were mistaken
[02:23] <kryten> Yeah, I'd agree here too.
[02:23]  * guiverc interest is i'm expecting to speak to brian in next day or so, and so it likely it me more as I can ask a question of the author...
[02:24] <guiverc> s/it me more/it hit me more/ ^
[02:42] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, did anyone write up the new member today and email the announcement to UWN
[02:44] <kryten> Nothing on the news team ML yet anyway..
[02:44] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: Nope - As I have seen nothing on the M/L for the new member :(
[02:48] <Wild_Man> I thought maybe you wrote it up, the announcement is created when one of us emails the details to the UWM
[02:49] <Bashing-om> Trying to connect to libera - getting disconnected for SASL authentication failed - going to do a NO-NO and edit the irssi config file by hand and add the cert path.
[02:49] <kryten> Bashing-om: See #ubuntuforums
[02:50] <Bashing-om> kryten: :)
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[22:20] <pleia2> PaulW2U: congrats on membership! :D
[22:21] <PaulW2U> Thanks pleia2 - I guess I'll have to finish those summaries next week ;)
[22:21] <pleia2> hehe
[22:21] <pleia2> we got one new volunteer from my last blog post, so we'll see
[22:22] <PaulW2U> I also have to thank akgraner - it was her video that got me started in UWN
[22:22] <pleia2> that's what we need, someone who doesn't hate making videos :)
[22:25] <Unit193> PaulW2U: Oooh!  Member?  Congrats!
[22:25] <PaulW2U> Thanks Unit193


[00:00] <killsalad> stgraber: ok but nowadays most 'old' computers have a burner alredy ;)
[00:00] <killsalad> i'm talking about 3-4 years old machines
[00:01] <killsalad> but i must agree with you
[00:02] <killsalad> ok - diferent question : will webcam work with client?
[00:10] <ogra> neither webcam, nor burning nor microphones work yet, patches happily accepted ;)
[00:11] <ogra> burning should be the easiest to implement as long as the burner has burnproof support
[00:13] <killsalad> ogra: so only USB sticks and printers ?
[00:13] <ogra> scanners with some fiddling (see ltsp.org docs)
[00:13] <ogra> but yes
[00:14] <ogra> block devices of any kind and printers atm
[00:17] <killsalad> ok - just few words like edubuntu rules, and i can send my paper to editor ;)
[00:17] <stgraber> ogra: what's the problem with microphones and pulseaudio ? is it only working for output ?
[00:18] <ogra> stgraber, a proper pulse setup is needed for capturing, we dont have that yet
[00:18] <ogra> stgraber, i have two things on my list for intrepid ltsp, cleaning up th epulse setup is one
[00:19] <ogra> (localapps is the other)
[00:20] <ogra> i'll talk to the kernel guys in prague about iscsi, we can probably get burning going or at least have a spec for intrepid+1
[00:22] <stgraber> in my opinion, webcam should be higher priority than CD burners as most "real" thin clients just don't have a CD burner but have a USB plug. (even if I don't quite have an idea of how we could make a webcam to work)
[00:23] <ogra> there is an old ltsp 4 tgz that implements that for the old 4.2 we just have ot take a look :)
[00:23] <ogra> (and probably need to improve)
[00:27] <stgraber> I just had a quick look at something called ltspwebcam, it's basically about installing camserv in the chroot which then open a TCP port sending a batch of jpeg images taken from the webcam
[00:27] <stgraber> that's release 0.1 though, maybe there was a better implementation
[00:28] <ogra> no, i think thats it
[00:28] <ogra> we can look at how thats doing it and can make it work with gstreamer ;)
[00:30] <stgraber> I used some tools some time ago to create multiple /dev/videoX from the same video stream but applying various effects (face detection). Maybe it's possible to create a /dev/videoX device based on a network video stream.
[00:30] <stgraber> that would make it work with just all softwares using a standard V4L interface
[00:30] <ogra> hmm, on kernel level ?
[00:30] <killsalad> sorry for interrupting but wouldn't it be better if there was somethig like network device, it probably would be hard to implement
[00:31] <ogra> well, it would make sense to have the compression on the client to not saturate your network
[00:31] <ogra> but i think gstreamer pipes can do that
[00:31] <killsalad> i mean that terminal could forward a device, and server would see it as /dev/ndev/usb/sth1
[00:32] <ogra> heh
[00:32] <ogra> if it would be that easy we would lobe to do it that way even for usb keys :)
[00:32] <ogra> *love
[00:32] <stgraber> yeah, I did some streaming with gstreamer, it's easy to get it working. The problem is to then have the video stream used in desktop apps
[00:33] <ogra> well, it would cretainly restrict you to gstreamer apps
[00:33] <ogra> but thats better than nothing
[00:34] <stgraber> most apps I have written using gstreamer to access webcams directly use the v4lsource or v4l2source so accessing /dev/videoX. You can easily replace that source by a network stream but the software would have to propose this option. I don't think you can easy make v4l2source to use a network stream instead of a real /dev/videoX device
[00:34] <stgraber> (except if there is an abstraction layer like "webcamsource" that I'm not aware of)
[00:35] <ogra> hmm
[00:35] <navetz> hey has anyone here got dualscreen working with a intel i810 ?
[00:36] <ogra> LaserJock, btw, i uploaded the "final" hardy classmate image today in case you want to try
[00:36] <ogra> with full suspend/resume support now
[00:40] <LaserJock> I might just do that
[00:40] <LaserJock> I've had a heck of a time getting time to install the images
[00:40] <LaserJock> but I got the starter replaced in my car and the wife is at a party
[00:40] <ogra> its not urgent .. intel found some testers as well finally
[00:41] <ogra> (even though thats slightly late for the dev cycle :P)
[00:41] <LaserJock> heh
[00:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[00:42] <LaserJock> seems like I'm late for everything these days :(
[00:42] <ogra> oh, come on, you did a lot
[00:43] <ogra> dont underestimate your work
[00:43] <ogra> anyway, bed time for me
[00:44] <LaserJock> night
[00:44] <ogra> night :)
[01:01] <humbolto> do I need to install ldm for a proper ltsp environment?
[01:01] <humbolto> what else?
[01:01] <humbolto> I started with the Hardy Server CD.
[01:01] <humbolto> Probably not the right choice.
[01:02] <humbolto> installed ltsp-server-standalone so far, fixed /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and started to build a client environment.
[01:02] <humbolto> wasn't there supposed to be an app helping me with all that?
[01:03] <humbolto> I probably should have started with the alternate CD, right?
[01:07] <johnny_> ltsp-build-client does all the work
[01:42] <neil_d> hi, I have a ltsp setup with separate dhcp and tftp servers, now the client boots :) but it hangs at 'verifying password' which service handles this ?
[01:43] <johnny_> ssh on the ltsp server
[01:44] <neil_d> johnny: are you sure ?   I thought ssh was just a secure shell
[01:46] <neil_d> ogra: are you there ?
[01:54] <achandrashekar> johnny: okay other apps are responding fine..firefox is very slow..especially going on youtube..after installing flash for 32 bit.
[01:55] <achandrashekar> johnny: I killed sound..and still it seems sluggish.
[01:55] <achandrashekar> have you run into such an issue?
[02:11] <neil_d> my system has separate dhcp and tftp servers, now the client boots :) but it hangs at 'verifying password' which service handles this ?
[02:18] <achandrashekar> neil_d: i believe that has to do with ssh key s
[02:18] <achandrashekar> neil_d: ssh keys
[02:22] <neil_d> achandrashekar: I just installed the ltsp yesterday, and built the client system, so I don't think the ssh keys could be out of sync.
[02:32] <johnny_> unless you changed the ip
[02:47] <neil_d> johnny: the IP of the two servers can't change
[02:48] <achandrashekar> neil_d: i believe a ctrl-alt-f7 will let you in on where its hanging....johnny might be able to confirm that.
[02:53] <johnny_> it's easier to disable the splash and quiet options in /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default
[02:54] <neil_d> achandrashekar: johnny_: its just won't verify the name/password :(  how is this done ?
[02:55] <johnny_> i told you
[02:55] <johnny_> ssh
[02:55] <johnny_> ldm is just a fancy front end over ssh
[02:55] <johnny_> for user accounts on the ltsp server
[02:56] <johnny_> heading home .. i'll be back online in a fewz
[02:57] <neil_d> so is there any way to test this is working ?  how do I find out what is going on ?
[02:59] <achandrashekar> neil_d: where is the ltsp end of things installed?
[03:01] <achandrashekar> neil_d: whereever that is a check in /var/log/syslog might tell you what is happening.
[03:01] <neil_d> achandrashekar: /opt/ltsp etc. is on the tftp server
[03:02] <neil_d> sorry got to go now.  bye!
[03:02] <achandrashekar> neil_d: okay...and if you do do the sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys it certainly cant hurt right...and then try again..or have you done that?
[03:02] <neil_d> achandrashekar: not yet
[03:02] <achandrashekar> id try that first
[03:34] <johnny> is there anything in gutsy that requires the 2.6.24 kernel?
[03:34] <johnny> err
[03:34] <johnny> hardy
[03:35] <johnny> kinda wondering about seeing if that makes my internet problems go away
[03:50] <LaserJock> what do you mean by "requires"?
[03:59] <johnny> uhmm
[04:00] <johnny> same as how if you wanted certain things to work in gnome for file changes, you wanted a kernel with inotify
[04:00] <johnny> which  didn't come until 2.6.13
[04:01] <johnny> i want to test if reverting to 2.6.22 solves my network issue
[04:01] <johnny> then i can verify whether it is kernel bug or not
[04:03] <LaserJock> johnny: ah, I doubt it'd do much
[04:04] <LaserJock> if you grab the Gutsy kernel and module packages if you need them
[04:04] <sicarri> hello
[04:05] <sicarri> what r the system requirements for 8.04
[04:06] <johnny> they should still be there LaserJock
[04:06] <johnny> this isn't a new install
[04:07] <LaserJock> johnny: ah, then that's easy :-)
[04:09] <johnny> yeah. i just wanted to make sure there wasnt' something new in 2.6.24 that was needed
[04:09] <johnny> seems to lock up the network reliably once a day
[04:10] <johnny> not the same time
[04:10] <johnny> but only once a day
[07:27] <neil_d> hi, I have a ltsp installation, with a seperate DHCP server, the client boot into gdm, where it asks for a name/password, it then says 'verify' and waits around for a while (a couple of minutes) then goes back to the name/password request.  why doesn't it continue ??
[07:27] <neil_d> ogra: hi
[07:32] <johnny> it is not gdm
[07:32] <johnny> it is ldm
[07:32] <johnny> are you sure you typed in the user name and password of an account that exists on your server?
[07:32] <johnny> test it out..
[07:33] <johnny> ssh user@servername
[07:35] <neil_d> johnny: yep there is only one.
[07:36] <johnny> was that ssh successful?
[07:37] <neil_d> no!
[07:37] <johnny> what did it say?
[07:38] <neil_d> it said "ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused"
[07:40] <neil_d> maybe I need to install the ssh meta package ?
[07:40] <johnny> hmm.. it should have been installed
[07:40] <johnny> package should have depended on openssh-server
[07:41] <johnny> is sshd running?
[07:41] <neil_d> the openssh-server package isn't installed :(
[07:42] <neil_d> it looks like I need it should I install it ?
[07:50] <neil_d> johnny: I installed openssh-server now I get the message 'this workstation isn't ortherized to access this server' :( how do I fix this ?
[07:50] <johnny> run ltsp-update-sshkeys
[07:51] <johnny> it would have happened when you built the client, if you would have had openssh-server already
[07:51] <neil_d> i did, then reset the client, still no joy
[07:51] <johnny> oh.. you have to rebuild the image too
[07:51] <johnny> ltsp-update-image
[07:51] <neil_d> no! I will now
[07:52] <johnny> it copies files into the client chroot.. but since ubuntu uses nbd,.. the image needs to be updated to include it
[07:53] <neil_d> 9% and counting
[07:55] <neil_d> looks like the hardy ltsp package is missing a dependancey
[07:56] <neil_d> 39% and counting
[07:56]  * neil_d opps 29%
[08:01] <neil_d> johnny:  i'm in great, thanks a lot.
[08:55] <neil_d> ogra: are you there ?
[14:15] <killsalad> hi i've got a problem with unlock button in users-admin
[14:16] <killsalad> the button is locked and i can't unlock acces - it was fine after fresh install
[14:41] <RichEd> hi dtrask
[14:41] <RichEd> sorry about my slackness in reponses
[14:42] <karboxifene> bonjour
[14:42] <karboxifene> quelqu'un parle francais ?
[14:43] <karboxifene> hi, i need help for LTSP on edubuntu
[14:44] <karboxifene> ???
[14:46] <karboxifene> nobody ?
[14:47] <killsalad> what kind of help?
[15:00] <karboxifene> oooops
[15:00] <killsalad> hi i've got a problem with unlock button in users-admin - it is greyed for user who is admin
[15:00] <karboxifene> i have some trouble for use ITALC under edubuntu 8.04
[15:01] <karboxifene> i have some trouble for use ITALC under edubuntu 8.04 with LTSP
[15:15] <karboxifene> quit
[17:43] <hanedera> how can I speed up my LTSP environment?
[17:44] <hanedera> ogra once told me, you where about to include a no-encryprion/no-compression option for ssh to speed things up? did that make it into hardy?
[17:45] <johnny> yes
[17:45] <johnny> LDM_DIRECTX=Y in lts.conf
[18:46] <hanedera_> Do I need to activate LDM somehow? Or does it get used as soon as it is installed.
[18:47] <hanedera_> I have been cut offline, so I did not get any of your answers ... if there were any.
[18:48] <hanedera_> Sorry, when I repeat myself, but I have no idea if my questions came through
[18:48] <hanedera_> I have some default settings in /etc/kde3 but it seems they are not used! Seems like I have to set the env var KDEDIRS for that, right? Where do I set that?
[18:48] <hanedera_> Do I have to activeate XDMCP in gdm in order to make use of LDM_DIRECTX=Y?
[18:53] <hanedera_> johnny: you still there?
[18:53] <johnny> it doesn't use xdmcp
[18:53] <johnny> ldm is in the chroot
[18:53] <johnny> it should come up on client bot
[18:53] <johnny> boot*
[18:53] <johnny> it's the default
[18:54] <johnny> unless you changed SCREEN_07
[18:56] <hanedera_> johnny: Ah, I see.
[18:56] <hanedera_> johnny: And LDM_DIRECTX=Y, what does that do actually?
[18:57] <johnny> doesnt' encrypt the actual X stuff via ssh
[18:57] <johnny> just uses ssh for auth
[18:58] <hanedera_> but the traffic does still go through the ssh tunnel?
[18:59] <hanedera_> johnny: do I still need to enable Localdev and sound in lts.conf these days or is this done by default now?
[18:59] <johnny> by default
[18:59] <hanedera_> great!
[18:59] <johnny> since gutsy i think
[19:00] <hanedera_> and for sound I do not even have to activate any pulseaudio server stuff by hand? it will just work?
[19:01] <johnny> uhmm..i'm guessing so
[19:01] <johnny> none of my terminals have speakers
[19:02] <johnny> i plugged in my laptop once, and i heard the ubuntu startup sound
[19:02] <johnny> but i didnt' check anywhere else
[19:20] <hanedera_> everything is working! great!
[19:38] <privet> I am correct with saying that NBD is prefered over NFS?
[19:39] <stgraber> yep
[19:41] <privet> in my console when the client is booting I see:
[19:41] <privet> - getting IP etc.
[19:42] <privet> - rootserver: <IP_ADDRESS> rootpath: <IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386
[19:42] <privet> file:
[19:42] <privet> - Error: Connect: Connection refused
[19:42] <stgraber> you seem to still use NFS
[19:43] <privet> what is trying to connect where?
[19:43] <stgraber> that <IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386 option is the NFS path, it doesn't exist with NBD
[19:43] <privet> aha
[19:43]  * privet is checking his DHCP setup
[19:43] <stgraber> NBD is basically a daemon running on TCP port 2000 and exporting a whole filesystem, so no need of the rootpath option with it
[19:44] <ogra> the rootpath option doesnt matter, its simply ignored in nbd, no need to change your dhcp setup
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-vendorclass=pxe,PXEClient
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-vendorclass=eth,Etherboot
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-boot=net:pxe,/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0,pion,<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-boot=net:eth,/ltsp/i386/nbi.img,pion,<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-option=17,<IP_ADDRESS>:/opt/ltsp/i386
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-option=48,<IP_ADDRESS>     # font-servers
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-option=49,<IP_ADDRESS>     # x-display-manager
[19:45] <privet> dhcp-option=66,pion             # tftp-server-name
[19:45]  * privet should use pastebin with the next paste!
[19:46] <privet> that is the DHCP config on openwrt with dnsmasq
[19:46] <stgraber> aren't you missing a next-server line ? (I'm not sure of how dnsmasq's config work though)
[19:47] <johnny> option 66 is the equivalent i think
[19:47] <privet> stgraber: I used ltsp 4.2 until last week with that config
[19:47] <johnny> you don't nee 48 or 49 privet
[19:47] <privet> the DHCP server is just pointing to where the LTSP server is
[19:47] <stgraber> ok, so maybe you have a problem with NBD on the server
[19:48] <stgraber> what's the result of : grep ltsp /etc/inetd.conf
[19:49] <privet> stgraber: this
[19:49] <privet> egrep "ltsp" /etc/inetd.conf
[19:49] <privet> 2000               stream  tcp            nowait  nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
[19:49] <johnny> sure you don't have it firewalled or somethin?
[19:49] <stgraber> hmm, okay so nbd is correctly enabled
[19:50] <stgraber> can you try connecting to your 2000 port ? telnet localhost 2000 for example
[19:50] <privet> firewais clean
[19:50] <privet> notghing is listening on port 2000
[19:51] <privet> sudo /etc/init.d/nbd-server start
[19:51] <privet> ** (process:20996): WARNING **: Could not parse config file: Could not open config file.
[19:51] <privet> ** Message: Nothing to do! Bye!
[19:51] <privet>  nbd-server.
[19:51] <ogra> is your inetd up ?
[19:51] <ogra> eek, dont !
[19:51] <privet> stgraber: okay- so that looks like a problem, yes?
[19:51] <ogra> nbdrootd is resposible for nbd in ltsp
[19:51] <johnny> it's served via inetd.. don't need that startup script
[19:51] <privet> aha.
[19:51] <ogra> it gets started by inetd (as you can see in your config line you grepped)
[19:52] <privet> ogra: okay- so that is fine.
[19:52] <privet> and xinetd is running
[19:52] <privet> but, should I not have a ndb/ltsp" entry in /etc/xinetd.d/
[19:52] <ogra> xinetd doesnt use /etc/inetd.conf (and we dont actually support it in ltsp since its undistributable)
[19:53] <johnny> undistributable ?
[19:53] <stgraber> IIRC Ubuntu is using openbsd-inetd for LTSP which uses /etc/inetd.conf
[19:53] <ogra> there are fedors scripts for xinetd
[19:53] <ogra> *fedora
[19:53] <johnny> i'm using xinetd myself .. since we dont have  anyting with /etc/inetd.conf in portage
[19:54] <privet> I am talking about the include directory /etc/xinetd.d/
[19:54] <johnny> privet, unless you're using xinetd for something else. don't bother with it
[19:54] <johnny> stick with the ubuntu method
[19:54] <privet> johnny: sure.
[19:54] <johnny> the ubuntu ltsp scripts rely on it
[19:55] <johnny> otherwise you have to self manage it
[19:55] <privet> johnny: agreed- I do not want to do that.
[19:55] <privet> so doing telnet to port 2000 should make xinet start the ndb server, yes?
[19:56] <johnny> no.. it should make openbsd-inetd start the nbd server :)
[19:56] <stgraber> yes, that works fine with openbsd-inetd and not with xinetd if you don't have a custom config done
[19:56] <stgraber> so the best way to fix your issue if you don't need xinetd is to simply install openbsd-inetd
[19:57] <ogra> johnny, the xinetd license is GPL incompatible ... that keeps it off any ubuntu CD
[19:57] <johnny> hmm... ok
[19:57] <johnny> suprised it's shipped anywhere then
[19:58] <ogra> privet, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/annotate/wtogami%40redhat.com-20080430174825-lpp79bxfg3vtz4fy?file_id=nbdrootd-20080113202835-qh04blxjlipc6m7w-2
[19:58] <ogra> i have no clue if it works though

[19:59] <ogra> especially i have no idea how it would get the image name and path
[19:59] <privet> ogra: okay, I simply iinstalled openbsd-ientd and got rid of xinetd
[19:59] <privet>  telnet localhost 2000
[19:59] <privet> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[19:59] <privet> Connected to localhost.
[19:59] <privet> Escape character is '^]'.
[19:59] <privet> NBDMAGICB��S    c ^]
[19:59] <ogra> yeah
[19:59] <ogra> thats it
[20:00] <stgraber> try booting your client now, it should work fine
[20:00] <ogra> johnny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses for reference
[20:01] <johnny> ogra, it's too bad i can't make nbd support work yet.. due to limitations in our initramfs builder
[20:01] <johnny> i hope i can convince somebody to help me come up with a solution
[20:01] <johnny> and even get my current code integrated :)
[20:01] <ogra> johnny, nbd upstream added initramfs suport recently
[20:01] <johnny> uhmm?
[20:01] <johnny> i probably have to create an initrafms overlay
[20:02] <ogra> probably
[20:02] <ogra> no clue how gentoo works in that area
[20:02] <johnny> some silly custom thing.. it's mostly used to build kernels for the livecd, and for folks to get bootsplash
[20:03] <johnny> ogra, i switched my ltsp server back to kernel 2.6.22
[20:03] <johnny> seeing if that solves the issue
[20:03] <johnny> if it goes 2 days without needing to be restarted, then i can verify it's a kernel bug
[20:04] <ogra> that would actually be good, so we can fix it for 8.04.1
[20:04] <privet> getting the same "connection refused"
[20:04] <privet> directly after that I get
[20:04] <johnny> privet,  firewall?
[20:04] <privet> mount: Mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: invalid argument
[20:04] <privet> johnny: nope- no FW
[20:05] <johnny> ogra, i just hope people at the store are straight with me.. about rebooting :)
[20:05] <ogra> yeah, thats fallout if it cant mount the image
[20:05] <privet> johnny: I can telnet to that port from other PCs n the LAN
[20:05] <privet> ogra: so what is "rofs"?
[20:06] <ogra> the nbd image
[20:06] <ogra> or rather /rofs is the mountpoint where it shows up on the client
[20:07] <privet> checklist...
[20:07] <privet> - dhcp is fine (I can get IP and etc.)
[20:07] <privet> - tftpboot is fine, I can see it talking to it
[20:08] <privet> cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[20:08] <privet> [Default]
[20:08] <privet>   XSERVER = auto
[20:08] <privet>   SERVER = <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:08] <privet>   SCREEN_02 = shell
[20:08] <privet> that is my complete lts.conf file
[20:08] <ogra> drop SERVER
[20:08] <privet> huh?
[20:08] <ogra> drop XSERVER (auto is default)
[20:08] <johnny> and XSERVER ..
[20:08] <privet> oooh
[20:09] <ogra> SCREEN_02 = shell will keep X from stating, not sure thats what you want
[20:09] <privet> ogra: right now, I will settle for that.
[20:09] <privet> all I get now is a "ash" prompt
[20:11] <privet> should I be seeing things like "running /scripts/nfs-top" and "running /scripts/nfs-bottom"
[20:11] <privet> ?
[20:11] <hanedera> what else can I improve LTSP performance? I have already activated LDM_DIRECTX
[20:12] <hanedera> my users complain that LTSP was more performant under feisty than it is now under hardy.
[20:13] <johnny> privet, yes that is normal
[20:14] <privet> johnny: okay.
[20:14] <privet> when booting the client, I do not see anything from a tcpdump for port 2000
[20:15] <privet> that is a problem...
[20:15] <hanedera> Are there any more tweaks? In my opinion Hardy LTSP is the best ever, I don't want to go back. The sound support is perfect!!!
[20:15] <johnny> hanedera, you haven't specified your performance metric ..
[20:16] <johnny> what's slower
[20:16] <johnny> you need many more details before asking what to tweak
[20:16] <johnny> need to identify the bottleneck first
[20:17] <hanedera> hmm, windows are drawn more slowly.
[20:17] <hanedera> general responsiveness. however, I can watch video and it looks perfect.
[20:18] <hanedera> when I resize the window to fullscreen, this takes a while on the contrary.
[20:18] <johnny> try 2.6.22 kernel
[20:18] <hanedera> client or server?
[20:18] <johnny> on the client first i guess
[20:18] <johnny> 2.6.24 has been very slow on certain operations for me
[20:19] <johnny> i can hardly compile stuff in the background now without it skipping my music
[20:19] <johnny> altho it's better with 2.6.25
[20:19] <hanedera> kernels are getting worse these days!
[20:20] <hanedera> I had better multimedia performance with a -ck 2.4 kernel on an old i586 than I have today on my 3 year old laptop.
[20:20] <hanedera> sucks!
[20:20] <johnny> ck is good ..
[20:20] <johnny> you should try 2.6.25 if you're that familiar
[20:21] <johnny> i just figured reverting to somethign you had previously would be easier
[20:23] <hanedera> ah, just remembered I have a k7 but not the k7 kernel installed. Will try that first. Don't want to use non-supported kernels if possible.
[20:23] <hanedera> johnny: do you have any other hints where I could look for bottelnecks?
[20:23] <johnny> i think you should start with that
[20:24] <johnny> i haven't had a chance to play with mine much since upgrading to hardy
[20:25] <hanedera> hmm, just see -k7 does actually install the generic kernel.
[20:25] <hanedera> have the server kernel currently I think
[20:26] <johnny> yes.. generic is what ubuntu ships now
[20:26] <johnny> iirc
[20:26] <hanedera> installed from server cd
[20:31] <hanedera> what I am still batteling with is to get KDE read /etc/kde3 for default configs. having a env var KDEDIRS="/etc/kde3" does not seem to do the trick.
[20:41] <johnny> sorry.. don't know anything about kde
[20:41] <johnny> most of the people just use gnome
[20:43] <hanedera> me too. just have a couple of users still on kmail