[09:00] <nate_> haha
[09:00] <nate_> w0rd
[09:00] <transgress> it's like messages saying i got a help ticket at work...
[09:00] <transgress> i see theose when i go to the helpdesk
[09:02] <nate_> konsole is ugly
[09:02] <nate_> unless you strip it of everthing that would identify it as konsole
[09:02] <transgress> i like konsole
[09:02] <nate_> like the tab bar, menu bar, and even the kde portion
[09:03] <transgress> of course i have the menu bar macos style... the tabs could do with a changing... other than that it doesn't have much
[09:04] <nate_> yeah, i need a mac theme for kde really bad
[09:04] <nate_> got one handy?
[09:04] <transgress> it's not a mac theme
[09:04] <nate_> ooookkkkkk
[09:04] <transgress> i have the menu bar on the top like MacOS
[09:04] <nate_> what is it then?
[09:04] <transgress> http://irclikelife.com/pics/deb.jpg  <-- look at the top
[09:05] <nate_> how'd you do that?
[09:06] <transgress> Control Center-Desktop-Behavior-you can find it from there
[09:06] <transgress> if you aren't used to that... it takes a while to get used to
[09:07] <nate_> yeah, i'm not used to it, but i'll try anything if it works well
[09:07] <transgress> you'll forget and be like "how the hell do i edit the preferences for this thing"
[09:08] <nate_> ha, i turned it off
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> *lobbying for kubuntu in shipit*
[09:08] <transgress> but it does keep everything from having a bloated menu bar on it
[09:08] <da_bon_bon> who else is ?
[09:08] <nate_> decided i didn't like it
[09:08] <transgress> shipit?
[09:08] <NTolerance> nate:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30818
[09:09] <NTolerance> that will allow you to easily add a mac theme to Kubuntu
[09:09] <da_bon_bon> transgress: ya. shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <NTolerance> search for "baghira" after you update your repositories
[09:09] <Quinn_Storm> advice: never use baghira...it tends to crash things a lot
[09:10] <nate_> NTolerance: danke
[09:10] <transgress> NTolerance: does that theme add the resizing icons to the bottom or is that something else?
[09:10] <da_bon_bon> use ksmoothdock
[09:10] <transgress> da_bon_bon: hell yeah... how do i lobby for that?
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> transgress: just cry out LOUD here and on #ubuntu
[09:11] <nate_> kate is wiggin out on me
[09:11] <da_bon_bon> :(
[09:11] <transgress> ?
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> and still, they wont shipit
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> transgress: ya
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> transgress: do that on #ubuntu too
[09:12] <transgress> i already did
[09:12] <NTolerance> that theme doesn't include the dock.  I use kxdocker
[09:12] <da_bon_bon> ksmoothdock is better
[09:13] <transgress> lol
[09:13] <transgress> i'll look at them both... i don't actually like the osX aqua theme... but i do love the docker
[09:13] <transgress> i have my menu looking semi like the docker. but it doesn't resize
[09:17] <nate_> i need to go
[09:17] <nate_> oh man
[09:17] <nate_> later
[09:17] <nate_> v55
[09:20] <nate_> oh man, an ubuntu thong: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[09:20] <transgress> haha
[09:20] <transgress> i need to put pics of me in my debian shirt up on my site that i just got from cafepress
[09:21] <nate_> you know you want the thong
[09:21] <transgress> man i don't wear underwear... much less very uncomfortable underwar
[09:21] <transgress> underwear
[09:22] <nate_> whats under there?
[09:22] <crimsun> semper ubi sub ubi?
[09:23] <transgress> so i wonder if it'll take an act of god to get kubuntu put on shipit...
[09:23] <nate_> yo tengo los gatos en mis pantalones
[09:24] <transgress> you have the cats in your pants?
[09:24] <nate_> yes
[09:24] <nate_> of curse
[09:24] <transgress> that's nice
[09:24] <nate_> course*
[09:24] <nate_> you don't?
[09:27] <nate_> i'm out transgress, you'll miss me, I know
[09:28] <da_bon_bon> transgress: no.. send 10 email messages to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- and get ppl to join you. THAT should do the trick
[09:29] <Tm_T> hm
[09:29] <Tm_T> what?
[09:29] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: ?
[09:31] <transgress> Tm_T: i thought we were rid of you for the night
[09:32] <warriorfr> can anyone help me to have streaming working on firefox ?
[09:34] <transgress> da_bon_bon: that's make and mako?
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> transgress: no. mako both
[09:34] <da_bon_bon> transgress: cc me a copy -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- i will send too :)
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> mako@<canonical,ubuntu>.com
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> anyway, i need to go
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> cya all
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> nye transgress
[09:35] <da_bon_bon> bye transgress
[09:36] <transgress> bleh
[09:36] <transgress> bye
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> ta
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> :)
[09:36] <transgress> i already sent one to make heh
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> when r u sending the mail ?
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> sorry man, me and my typo
[09:36] <transgress> i just sent an email to both
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> did u cc me ?
[09:36] <transgress> it's all good i can just use the sent file
[09:36] <transgress> cc?
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> ok
[09:36] <transgress> oh nope...
[09:36] <da_bon_bon> i posted my email id above
[09:37] <transgress> i will though
[09:37] <da_bon_bon><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:37] <transgress> when i send the one to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:37] <Tm_T> transgress: eh, it's day...
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> transgress: :)
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> anyway, need to run
[09:37] <da_bon_bon> bye
[09:37] <Tm_T> bye
[09:38] <transgress> bye
[09:38] <transgress> emailed you
[09:38] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:42] <transgress> perhaps i shall order the packetstorm shirt
[09:56] <Tm_T> packetstorm?
[10:05] <DaveQB> anyone here good with getting USB storage device working in Kubuntu ??  (same device works in Mandrake fine)
[10:12] <Tm_T> DaveQB: oh yes
[10:12] <Tm_T> just blug it and use it ;)
[10:14] <DaveQB> lol
[10:14] <DaveQB> I did, then found usb-storage wasnt loaded
[10:14] <DaveQB> so modprobe that and now get a bunch of I/O errors in dmesg
[10:26] <Kisain> anyone lnopw where to get some themes for kubuntu?
[10:52] <verden01> hi
[11:09] <Tm_T> ahhaha
[11:10] <Tm_T> KaiL: btw forcing that kdelibs, great idea... not :p
[11:14] <xxenon> is it a known bug that I cant install python2.3-kde3 ?
[11:14] <Choubaka> what error do you get?
[11:15] <xxenon> python2.3-kde3: Depends: python2.3-qt3 (< 3.13) but 3.13-4ubuntu2 is to be installed
[11:15] <xxenon> (breezy)
[11:15] <Choubaka> eek.
[11:15] <Choubaka> no wonder. :)
[11:15] <xxenon> k.
[11:15] <Tm_T> heh
[11:15] <Choubaka> breezy is unsupported.
[11:15] <xxenon> I know.
[11:16] <Choubaka> And it will likely meltdown completely at some point. :p
[11:16] <Tm_T> damn, some setting don't work in KDE anymore =)
[11:36] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/GD-lamp.png
[11:36] <gonzalo> hola alguien habla espaol?
[11:37] <gonzalo> hola, acabo de instalar kubuntu y no se donde ver donde se puede abrir una consola etc, haber si me podis ayudar
[11:38] <Tm_T> try enlgish ;)
[11:38] <Tm_T> english
[11:54] <bleertep> does anyone know hoe to get rid of error message "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream" ?
[12:02] <jurgis> How i canr edit xorg.conf file? When i try to save it i get error- permision denield
[12:02] <jurgis> :/
[12:03] <harsha_> jurgis : do u have root privilages
[12:03] <jurgis> how i can get it?
[12:03] <harsha_> type
[12:03] <harsha_> sudo su
[12:03] <jurgis> yes i know it
[12:03] <jurgis> but i still can
[12:03] <jurgis> *can't
[12:03] <harsha_> and type the password
[12:04] <jurgis> jurgis@sputnik:/etc/X11$ sudo su
[12:04] <jurgis> root@sputnik:/etc/X11 # /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:04] <jurgis> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission denied
[12:04] <jurgis> :/
[12:04] <Tm_T> eeh
[12:04] <Tm_T> haha
[12:04] <harsha_> type vi
[12:05] <harsha_> jurgis
[12:05] <jurgis> ?
[12:05] <harsha_> use an editor
[12:05] <Tm_T> nano
[12:05] <harsha_> vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:10] <harsha_> hey jurgis
[12:10] <harsha_> what r u upto
[12:10] <jurgis> ?
[12:10] <harsha_> did it work
[12:10] <jurgis> yeah
[12:10] <jurgis> but how edit only
[12:10] <harsha_> ??????????????
[12:10] <jurgis> it just display this file
[12:10] <jurgis> but i cant edit
[12:10] <harsha_> press i to go to insert mode
[12:10] <harsha_> key 'i'
[12:11] <jurgis> oh tnx
[12:11] <harsha_> havent used  vi b4
[12:11] <Aircobra> Insert key also works
[12:11] <jurgis> ant how save it ?
[12:12] <Aircobra> :wq
[12:12] <harsha_> yeah :wq
[12:12] <harsha_> press esc and then :wq
[12:12] <insanekane> hi ... how do i reconfigure my soundcard ?
[12:13] <harsha_> hey Aircobra
[12:13] <harsha_> pl help me with my locale problem
[12:13] <harsha_> i get this error
[12:13] <harsha_> Starting nagios: perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[12:13] <harsha_> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[12:13] <harsha_>         LANGUAGE = "en_IN:en_US:en_GB:en",
[12:13] <harsha_>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[12:13] <harsha_>         LANG = "en_GB"
[12:13] <harsha_>     are supported and installed on your system.
[12:13] <harsha_> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[12:14] <harsha_> nagios.
[12:14] <harsha_> what is the value of  LC_ALL
[12:14] <Aircobra> harsha_ im not really familiar with this, but maybe you should try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:15] <insanekane> harsha_: whats the problem >?
[12:15] <insanekane> harsha_: try export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
[12:16] <Aircobra>         VertRefresh     50-160
[12:16] <Aircobra> sorry
[12:16] <Tm_T> heh
[12:17] <harsha_> insanekane thanx
[12:17] <harsha_> it did work
[12:26] <jurgis> why when i type :wh i got this error
[12:26] <jurgis> E15: Invalid expression:
[12:26] <jurgis> E15: Invalid expression:
[12:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: hullo?
[12:32] <Riddell> Tm_T: hello?
[12:32] <insanekane> Riddell: hello
[12:33] <insanekane> Riddell: how do i reconfigure my sound card ?
[12:34] <Riddell> insanekane: I don't know
[12:35] <Riddell> what's wrong with it as it is?
[12:36] <insanekane> Riddell: doesnt work .. not detected i guess
[12:37] <Riddell> tried turning the volume up?  that's cought me out before
[12:37] <insanekane> Riddell: quite possibly ... i forgot to copy the config file when i "installed" the livd cd to disk
[12:37] <insanekane> no it  not that ... i cannot access /dev/dsp .. or some other error like that ...
[12:38] <insanekane> kane@terranova:~/projects/doedb-sqlobject$ ls -la /dev/dsp
[12:38] <insanekane> crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 May  3 18:30 /dev/dsp
[12:39] <insanekane> Riddell: i think it doesnt point to the right place ??
[12:41] <ztonzy> hi Riddell
[12:42] <ztonzy> Riddell, any clue why  Konqueror crashes now and then ?
[12:42] <insanekane> Riddell: i have a snd directory under /dev ... it looks like it contains some sound related stuff ... but i dont know which should be linked to /dev/dsp
[12:42] <insanekane> ztonzy: hehe :)
[12:42] <ztonzy> insanekane, same issue ? :)
[12:42] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes, eh, I think I have problem with kdelibs-data
[12:43] <insanekane> ztonzy: no .. but urs is a funny question . u should go to bugzilla at kde .. and see how many crash bugs are on konqi :)
[12:43] <kubx> hi
[12:44] <ztonzy> insanekane, well, someone have alreday filed it
[12:44] <insanekane> ztonzy: anyway ... it could be anything ........ but .. i dont have it crashing every now and then ... maybe once in a few days
[12:44] <ztonzy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26043
[12:45] <Tm_T> Riddell: changing background is eh, less "normally working" and some Kcontrol settings don't affect and Konqi became unstable and so on
[12:45] <insanekane> ztonzy: there u go :)
[12:45] <ztonzy> it says adding this ' Option "RenderAccel" "false"  '   to /etc/X11/xorg.conf  fixes it
[12:45] <insanekane> aha
[12:47] <Tm_T> Riddell: I already lost my temper with this issue... can't say I'm happy :/
[12:48] <Tm_T> but, gotta calm down ->
[12:49] <Riddell> Tm_T: what is the issue?
[12:50] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, all those problems what appeared after I forced kdelibs-data update :/
[12:51] <insanekane> hehe
[12:51] <Tm_T> really testing my sense of humor
[12:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: do you have a /etc/kdmrc file?
[12:51] <Tm_T> hmm, let's see...
[12:51] <ztonzy> insanekane, added it to xorg   so I'll see after next boot if it works better
[12:51] <insanekane> well no need to reboot
[12:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: nope
[12:52] <insanekane> just need to restart the xserver right
[12:52] <ztonzy> insanekane, I know, but I am leaving for a nap ;)
[12:52] <ztonzy> later
[12:53] <Riddell> Tm_T: try running http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[12:53] <carsten_> Moin
[12:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, I thought I did it already
[12:53] <carsten_> Question: How can I find out *what* changed in an updated revision? apt-get upgrade only tell's me the version-numbers, synaptic does the same.
[12:54] <Tm_T> hmm, let's see what happens
[12:54] <Tm_T> I hope I don't need to configure my KDE again
[12:55] <Tm_T> we'll see that
[01:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, any X reboot needed?
[01:02] <Tm_T> smouche-bed: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_012.png
[01:02] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca should do it
[01:02] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:02] <Tm_T> eh?
[01:02] <Tm_T> explain, please
[01:02] <Riddell> running kbuildsycoca should be enough
[01:03] <Tm_T> ok
[01:03] <Tm_T> as root/uesr?
[01:03] <Tm_T> uesr
[01:03] <Tm_T> user
[01:03] <Tm_T> too hard
[01:04] <Tm_T> haha, whole lotta "Warning" =)
[01:07] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/kbuildsycoca-output.txt
[01:07] <Tm_T> there's output
[01:07] <Riddell> don't run it as root
[01:08] <Tm_T> hmm, ok =)
[01:08] <Tm_T> hmm, still warnings
[01:09] <Tm_T> hmm, but no errors
[01:09] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:09] <Tm_T> let's see
[01:09] <Tm_T> hmm, nothing changed
[01:10] <Tm_T> still background change is misbehaving
[01:12] <Tm_T> interesting
[01:14] <malte> why isn't ruby qt bindings and Korundrum included in kubuntu? :(
[01:15] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't know what's wrong but, there' something
[01:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: oh, now there's kderc file :)
[01:18] <Chameleon22> what group would I need to add a low previlage user to so they can mount mp3 player (that is how can i add my self to a group so i can mount my mp3 player without needing to su or sudo)?
[01:21] <verden01> Hey
[01:21] <Chameleon22> on that note, any one knows of a nice GUI app for iriver mp3 player for linux?
[01:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, sorry if I bothered you for nothing...
[01:23] <malte> wtf, mouse gestures in konqueror has stopped working as of today
[01:23] <malte> oh n/m now they work again
[01:24] <ok023> i hate ubuntu
[01:24] <verden01> what about kubuntu
[01:25] <ok023> i love it
[01:25] <malte> :o
[01:25] <malte> then i guess you just don't like gnome
[01:25] <verden01> i like kde
[01:25] <ok023> yes,i like kde
[01:26] <kubx> mouse gestures in konqueror?
[01:26] <kubx> how can i activate them?
[01:27] <verden01> what are mouse gestures?
[01:30] <luen> hi
[01:31] <kubx> malte: hello?
[01:31] <malte> kubx: hi
[01:31] <malte> oh, sry. 2 sec
[01:31] <kubx> malte: how can i active mouse gestures?
[01:31] <kubx> np i can wait :)
[01:31] <malte> start kcontrol
[01:31] <malte> go to khotkeys
[01:32] <malte> there you have "konqueror gestures"
[01:32] <malte> just make sure gestures are enabled everywhere
[01:33] <kubx> thx, i hope i can find it :)
[01:34] <kubx> does somebody know a good download manager for kde?
[01:34] <Sputn1k> How to configure monitor HorizSync and VertRefresh, if my monitor have 96.4 hz, and i need 100hz refresh?
[01:34] <kubx> Sputn1k: xorg.conf file
[01:34] <Sputn1k> i know, but i dont know whyt i shoul change
[01:34] <kubx> Sputn1k: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf (monitor section)
[01:35] <verden01> kget
[01:35] <Sputn1k> there aren't lines
[01:35] <kubx> ?
[01:35] <kubx> emtpy?
[01:35] <Sputn1k> VertRefresh and
[01:35] <Sputn1k> HorizSync
[01:35] <kubx> Section "Monitor"
[01:36] <kubx> for example: HorizSync       30-96
[01:36] <Sputn1k> but not for example, in what characters i should change it?
[01:36] <kubx> the values you can find in your monitor values
[01:36] <kubx> manual
[01:37] <Sputn1k> how to find this line's?
[01:37] <Sputn1k> i only knoes that my monitor have
[01:37] <Sputn1k> 94,1 kHz
[01:38] <kubx> look for a manual at the manufacturers homepage
[01:38] <kubx> ive got to go now
[02:39] <candyban_> Hi guys ... Is anyone working on the kdelibs-data package? I notice it has been broken for quite some time: http://www.pastebin.com/279479
[02:41] <Tm_T> I won't say a thing
[02:42] <carsten_> candyban_: read the topic
[02:42] <Tm_T> I wish I will have fully working KDE again some day
[02:42] <carsten_> candyban_: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh script will fix kdelibs bug
[02:42] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:56] <UnreA|L> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#azureus
[02:57] <UnreA|L> I install azureus
[02:57] <UnreA|L> and dont work
[03:01] <insanekane> UnreA|L: install bt .. it will work ..
[03:02] <UnreA|L> what ?
[03:02] <UnreA|L> apt-get install ... ?
[03:02] <insanekane> UnreA|L: sudo apt-get install bittornado
[03:10] <insanekane> UnreA|L: did it work yet ?
[03:16] <Chameleon22> can someone help me with wine installation, ran an installer through wine. Program seems to be installed ok. There is a winws dir structure under ~/.wine, etc and when i try to run the app i get a wine window with error mesage: Wine has exited with a failure status of 1., any ideas guys ?
[03:18] <UnreA|L> Now i download java after i will download bittornado
[03:21] <insanekane> Unhow did u install azureus without Java in the first place ?
[03:21] <theD3viL> hey guys :)
[03:21] <Tm_T> insanekane: I installed java, ofcourse
[03:22] <nate_> why doesn't kubuntu have a shutdown button?
[03:22] <insanekane> Tm_T: sorry ... the question was not towards you :)
[03:23] <nate_> anyone?
[03:23] <insanekane> nate_: well, if u click k->log out ... u will get an option to shut down the machine
[03:23] <gunny> nate_ id does
[03:23] <nate_> insanekane: thats inefficient
[03:23] <insanekane> nate_: u can also, use an panel applet for the same purpose
[03:23] <nate_> gunny: where?
[03:23] <jjesse> k -> logout only ends the current session
[03:23] <nate_> jjesse: exactly
[03:23] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:23] <insanekane> jjesse: well, over here , i can shutdown as well
[03:24] <gunny> nate_,  if you were to install kdm by diubf sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, when you hit ctrl-alt-delete- you will get a shut down option
[03:24] <nate_> insanekane: i don't see a shutdown applet
[03:24] <gunny> er difub is doing lol
[03:24] <insanekane> nate_: its called a logout applet
[03:24] <nate_> gunny: i like ctrl+alt+delete for restart x
[03:24] <insanekane> nate_: lock/logout applet
[03:25] <nate_> insanekane: again, thats only for locking and logging out, not shutting down
[03:25] <gunny> nate_,  ctrl-alb backspace does that
[03:25] <nate_> gunny: errr, you're right
[03:25] <gunny> nate_,  I bet you are still suing gdm
[03:25] <gunny> er using
[03:25] <insanekane> nate_: ok, u dont have kdm installed
[03:25] <nate_> well then, thats the problem! :)
[03:26] <insanekane> nate_: :)
[03:26] <nate_> oh junk, whats the utility that lets you choose that?
[03:26] <insanekane> nate_: choose what ?
[03:26] <nate_> insanekane: kdm or gdm
[03:26] <nate_> insanekane: i have kdm installed
[03:26] <gunny> nate_,  if you do sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm, you can choose kdm as your login mgr
[03:27] <insanekane> nate_: well, then just reconfigure it
[03:27] <nate_> gunny: ok, thanks
[03:27] <insanekane> actually, installing it after installing gdm should do that automatically ....
[03:27] <gunny> nate_,  after that you have to completely shutdown X to kill gdm
[03:27] <nate_>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail]
[03:27] <nate_> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[03:27] <insanekane> but then, u may have changed it later on
[03:28] <insanekane> nate_: u will probably have to restart ur machine
[03:28] <nate_> insanekane: i remember it asking me to select one or the other, and i picked gdm
[03:28] <gunny> nate_,  yep restart or get totally out of X and kill gdm
[03:28] <insanekane> nate_: aha ok ... well, i think u are working in X already ... so its better just to restart
[03:28] <nate_> gunny: oh poop
[03:29] <nate_> gunny: i remember telinit 3 didn't bring me to 3
[03:29] <gunny> only way to do it without having 2 Xsessions runing
[03:29] <nate_> and editing inittab doesn't make it go to runlevel 3 either
[03:29] <nate_> how do i do it?
[03:29] <gunny> nate_,  kubuntu uses init3 for multiuser with X and everything
[03:29] <nate_> gunny: ohhhh
[03:29] <nate_> gunny: so how do i kill x?  just manually?
[03:30] <insanekane> nate_: either logout ... or ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:30] <gunny> I always just reboot
[03:30] <insanekane> me too
[03:30] <gunny> kdm will come up on your next reboot lol
[03:30] <insanekane> (not that i change gdm-kdm often ;))
[03:30] <nate_> gunny: it will?
[03:30] <gunny> yep
[03:30] <candyban_> How can I start a new display manager on a new X server again?
[03:30] <nate_> ok, see ya in a bit
[03:31] <Kyaneos> hi
[03:31] <candyban_> I remeber to have a tool called graphical login or something ... and it would just start a new kdm or gdm and X on :1
[03:33] <gunny> I wish kdm had as many cool looking themes as gdm does
[03:33] <gunny> ubuntu smooth gdm theme is quite nice
[03:34] <candyban_> Anyone knows when kde4 comes out? (I'm really looking forward to cairo)
[03:34] <nate_> wow, looks a lot different when i log in
[03:34] <nate_> gdm is prettier IMO though
[03:34] <gunny> yes nate I agree
[03:34] <nate_> too bad, oh well
[03:34] <gunny> but, you wanted to be able to  shut down easily lol
[03:34] <gunny> its a trade off
[03:35] <nate_> gunny: yeah, i don't really need eye-candy on the login screen
[03:36] <nate_> hmmm, can't change settings in login manager
[03:41] <nate_> ooookkkkk, got it
[03:50] <gunny> I get a weird error message on reboot any idea what KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/alignment-icons'. means?
[03:55] <pussfeller> whats that chmod thing that makes every file coppied into a dir end up with a certain owner and certain permissions
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont get hte question?
[03:57] <pussfeller> sticky or something
[03:57] <pussfeller> a file mask i think actually
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sticky bits? not sure about them sorry.
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can cp -a
[03:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[04:06] <NTolerance> what's the command-line program that allows you to change startup serviceds
[04:06] <NTolerance> i can't remember
[04:08] <insanekane> sysvinit ?
[04:08] <nate_> i gotta go!! :)
[04:09] <nate_> later peeps, don't cry in my absence, i won't be long! ;P
[04:09] <nate_> oh, wait
[04:09] <nate_> can i export all my settings from KDE so I can load them on my laptop?
[04:09] <NTolerance> that's not it
[04:10] <NTolerance> i've found that you can simply overwrite your .kde folder in your home directory with a backup and it usually works
[04:10] <nate_> NTolerance: ok, thats simple enough
[04:10] <nate_> NTolerance: thanks
[04:10] <nate_> i'm outta here :)
[04:10] <NTolerance> just make sure you have any extra themes or addons installed
[04:10] <NTolerance> good luck
[04:10] <nate_> NTolerance: w0rd :)
[04:14] <insanekane> NTolerance: if you install the guidance scripts, i believe u get a utility with which u can modify the startup services
[04:15] <insanekane> NTolerance: i also remember seeing a utility provided by KDE to do the same ... i dont remember the name though
[04:18] <Isabelle> Hello everyone, I've just downloaded the newest Kubuntu release, and I can't seem to find a way to execute it... Booting from the CD didn't work very well either, and XP can't really run any of the files on, save for a txt or two... Can anyone assist me? :)
[04:19] <Tm_T> Isabelle: eh, you really should boot from CD
[04:19] <insanekane> Isabelle: Booting from CD didnt work ? maybe the download got screwed ?
[04:19] <Tm_T> insanekane: or bios...
[04:19] <insanekane> Isabelle: u should set the cdrom to boot
[04:19] <insanekane> Tm_T: hmm :0
[04:20] <Isabelle> I burned right from the Iso using Alco 120, I did that.
[04:20] <insanekane> Hmm :)
[04:20] <insanekane> Isabelle: ok, did u set the bios properly ?
[04:20] <Isabelle> It just flashed a while and asked me to restart...
[04:20] <insanekane> flashed a while ??
[04:20] <insanekane> what was the error ?
[04:21] <Isabelle> Yes, the little underscore at the top corner... and I put my cdrom first in the boot sequence...
[04:22] <insanekane> Isabelle: ok, then when u restarted the machine with the newly burned CD in it ... what happened ?
[04:23] <Isabelle> My startup diagonstics went on, everything okay, screen went blank, thingy started blinking, I got a message that said "press ctrl+alt+del to restart"
[04:24] <NTolerance> insanekane: Ksysv is the KDE utility
[04:24] <NTolerance> but there is a command line one as well
[04:24] <NTolerance> i just can't remember
[04:24] <Isa^LINUX> Uhm, yeah.
[04:24] <NTolerance> i disabled some sort of inter-process communication service and it's giving me an error on shutdown
[04:24] <NTolerance> so i need to re-enable it
[04:24] <insanekane> Isabelle: ok, .. i think the ISO is screwed ... did u check the md5 sum ?
[04:24] <Isabelle> Do I look like I know how to? :)
[04:24] <insanekane> Isabelle: dunno ... we get a lot of kinds of people here :)
[04:25] <Isabelle> Well, I don't... The download completed fine, so did the burning...
[04:26] <Isabelle> The information is there but it doesn't want to execute.
[04:26] <insanekane> Isabelle: well, an md5sum allows u to check whether the iso was recieved correctly (it is also a kind of security check)
[04:27] <insanekane> Isabelle: another thing ... after u "burned" the iso ... how many files did u see on the CD ?
[04:27] <insanekane> Isabelle: do you see a lot of directories ? or just the ISO file ?
[04:28] <Isabelle> Directories, duh :P
[04:28] <insanekane> Isabelle: ok
[04:29] <Isabelle> By the way, why isn't there an autorun or something for windows? That'd make my life easier.
[04:29] <insanekane> how would it make it easier ??
[04:29] <insanekane> Isabelle: anyway ... here is a link on checking the md5sum ... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers/436
[04:30] <Isabelle> I would just have to click a button and it would start up :D
[04:30] <insanekane> Isabelle: start what ?
[04:30] <insanekane> Isabelle: kubuntu ?
[04:30] <insanekane> also check, http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/verifyiso.html
[04:31] <insanekane> Isabelle: if u mean kubuntu, then well .. windows is not *that* poweful ;)
[04:31] <pussfeller> Isabelle, kubuntu isnt a program, its an entirely different operating system
[04:31] <insanekane> heh
[04:31] <Isabelle> Yes, of course, but a command to shut down windows and start from the kubuntu path? Hmm, never mind.
[04:31] <insanekane> Isabelle: it doesnt work that way ...
[04:32] <insanekane> Isabelle: check the md5sum anyway ...
[04:32] <pussfeller> you could run kubuntu in vmware, but thats a different story altogether
[04:32] <insanekane> Isabelle: if it doesnt run correctly ... then well, u will need to re-download the file
[04:32] <insanekane> the iso ie
[04:33] <insanekane> bbl
[04:34] <Isabelle> Toodles.
[04:35] <Isabelle> So this md5 file, is it supposed to come with or be within the iso? <.<
[04:36] <NTolerance> insanekane: i found it, it's called rcconf
[04:38] <dibolio> hello everyone. a few days ago i saw a kde-kicker with integrated menubar. i'd like to use it, but google isn't very helpful today ;)
[04:40] <pussfeller> the md5 sum will be published on the same place you downloaded the iso
[04:41] <Isabelle> Yeah, I found it... though it didn't have a filename so I just made one out of a TXT, and... kubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso OK
[04:46] <pussfeller> Isabelle, you burned it as an image ?
[04:47] <pussfeller> toher than that that, i would check my bios boot order settings
[04:54] <cristina> i have a little problem..i dont know if i can do something...i recently installed ubuntu 5.04 . previously i had win xp with ntfs partition formating. now ubuntu can;t mount the drive ...can somebody help me?
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will only be able to read
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yes i can
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> cristina. do you want it to auto mount on start up?
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> in /etc/fstab add a line like this
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /dev/hd## /mnt/mounthere ntfs defaults, uid=0222    0   0
[04:59] <cristina> i dont have the perision to edit the file , and when i try to edit it , it gives me an error
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> type sudo
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> im going to sleep.
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> night mate
[05:03] <cristina> this is the result
[05:03] <cristina> sudo: /etc/fstab: command not found
[05:04] <cristina> where can i get support for this isue?
[05:05] <Tm_T> cristina_: /etc/fstabis text file, not a command
[05:06] <_cristina_> yep , i know that
[05:06] <_cristina_> but i don't have the write permision
[05:06] <_cristina_> and when i change the permision it gives me another error
[05:07] <_cristina_> this is the mount error:
[05:07] <Tm_T> _cristina_: try "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[05:07] <_cristina_> Could not mount device.
[05:07] <_cristina_>  The reported error was:
[05:07] <_cristina_>  mount: can't find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:10] <kkathman> hey all, back from my meeting
[05:11] <_edsuom> And we care why, exactly?
[05:11] <Tm_T> ehh
[05:11] <kkathman> hey dont be tacky :(
[05:11] <Tm_T> hi kkathman
[05:11] <Tm_T> =)
[05:11] <kkathman> howdy Tm_T  :)
[05:11] <Tm_T> kkathman: he's just jealous or something ;p
[05:11] <kkathman> there's always someone I suppose
[05:12] <pussfeller> how you get "delete" into konqys context menu and get rid of "move to trash"
[05:13] <pussfeller> nm its in the seettings
[05:13] <_edsuom> kkathman: Sorry, I'm being crotchety. But I guess I still don't know why it's pertinent. (Maybe I don't need to.)
[05:14] <Tm_T> kkathman: what you think about this: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo_015.png
[05:14] <kkathman> _edsuom: well, I left, and just was telling those that DID care, I was back...perhaps I should have just said "Hey I'm back", but maybe that would have elicited the same response from people.  shrug
[05:14] <kkathman> Tm_T:  minimalistic and very kewl :)
[05:15] <insanekane> backback
[05:15] <Tm_T> kkathman: yes, just made today that bavckground
[05:15] <Tm_T> -v
[05:15] <kkathman> its very good Tm_T  :)
[05:15] <Tm_T> oh, thanks
[05:17] <Tm_T> kkathman: actually I borrow two different pics there, just edited them :p
[05:18] <kkathman> Tm_T: good composite graphic tho :)
[05:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: and Eterm really has it's place in background =)
[05:19] <Tm_T> kkathman: irssi in there... qiute experience :p
[05:21] <kkathman> I like eterm, but its harder to customize, and I hate the font
[05:21] <kkathman> konsole does just fine for me
[05:21] <kkathman> I like having the bar at the top for referense
[05:21] <kkathman> reference
[05:22] <Tm_T> kkathman: hmm, I use Konsole as everyday use
[05:22] <kkathman> Tm_T:  Ok I got this weird thing happening
[05:22] <Tm_T> so tell me
[05:23] <kkathman> Tm_T: I went and created a directory for one of my samba shares...under /media
[05:23] <kkathman> so I did a sudo mkdir /media/wwwroot
[05:23] <kkathman> but when I do an ls -al  it doesnt show up
[05:23] <kkathman> yet, when I try to do the sudo again, it says the directory exists
[05:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:24] <Tm_T> ehh
[05:24] <insanekane> kkathman: try sudo ls -la
[05:24] <kkathman> k
[05:24] <Tm_T> I have all network locations under /pub :p
[05:24] <kkathman> insanekane: isnt that the same as ls -al ???
[05:24] <Tm_T> "you're thirsty? get a beer, go to /pub "
[05:25] <insanekane> kkathman: dunno ... im just guessing ;)
[05:25] <kkathman> this is so weird
[05:25] <kkathman> it doesnt show that way either :)
[05:25] <insanekane> hmm
[05:25] <Tm_T> haha
[05:25] <insanekane> perhaps media is under special control ? (like dev/proc/etc)
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x   8 root root 4096 2005-05-04 08:33 .
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x  22 root root 4096 2005-04-16 17:04 ..
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x   1 root root 4096 2005-04-17 23:44 angpublic
[05:26] <kkathman> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    6 2005-04-16 16:50 cdrom -> cdrom0
[05:26] <insanekane> not in here dude
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 4096 2005-04-16 16:50 cdrom0
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x   1 root root 4096 2005-04-17 14:03 EntWebDev
[05:26] <kkathman> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root    7 2005-04-16 16:50 floppy -> floppy0
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root 4096 2005-04-16 16:50 floppy0
[05:26] <kkathman> drwxr-xr-x   1 root root 4096 2005-04-17 23:48 loripublic
[05:26] <kkathman> kkathman@denise:/media$ sudo mkdir /media/wwwroot
[05:26] <kkathman> mkdir: cannot create directory `/media/wwwroot': File exists
[05:26] <kkathman> ???
[05:26] <kkathman> weird huh?
[05:27] <insanekane> indeed
[05:27] <insanekane> kane@terranova:~/projects/doedb-sqlobject$ sudo mkdir /media/wwroot
[05:27] <insanekane> Password:
[05:27] <insanekane> kane@terranova:~/projects/doedb-sqlobject$ ls /media/
[05:27] <insanekane> wwroot
[05:27] <insanekane> it works for me
[05:28] <kkathman> I set that up in my fstab to point to a samba share
[05:28] <insanekane> whatever ... the making and listing the directory under media works well for me
[05:29] <kkathman> yeah my other shares are just fine
[05:31] <kkathman> and when I do a sudo mount -a && mount,  it makes the association and mounts
[05:31] <insanekane> wierd
[05:32] <insanekane> Tm_T: ur background ... looks like the grateful dead logo/mascot/whatever
[05:32] <insanekane> Tm_T: at least the top 65% of it
[05:33] <kkathman> uh oh
[05:34] <kkathman> tried to do a sudo chmod 777 /media/wwwroot and it comes back "cannot access, permission denied"
[05:34] <Tm_T> insanekane: it is
[05:34] <pussfeller> is there anyway to resize ext2 without destroying the data?
[05:34] <kkathman> hmmm un accessible to root?
[05:34] <insanekane> Tm_T: aha :) ... anyway, good one
[05:35] <insanekane> inaccessible
[05:35] <kkathman> cant get to it
[05:35] <insanekane> shouldnt u do ... +777
[05:35] <Tm_T> insanekane: and that lamp thing... it's from AOXOMOXOA cover ;p
[05:35] <Tm_T> no, just 777
[05:36] <kkathman> I thought you only used the + and - with u, g, etc
[05:36] <insanekane> AOXOMOXOA ??
[05:36] <insanekane> kkathman: yeah uir right :) my mistake :)
[05:36] <kkathman> we're even :)
[05:36] <kkathman> hehe
[05:36] <insanekane> even re ?
[05:36] <Tm_T> :p
[05:37] <insanekane> kkathman: even regarding what ?
[05:37] <kkathman> btw, it is unaccessible :)
[05:37] <insanekane> is it ?
[05:37] <kkathman> the two are interchangeable... see dictionary.com
[05:37] <insanekane> hmm ok
[05:37] <kkathman> anyway...not iimportant
[05:37] <Tm_T> :p
[05:38] <Tm_T> insanekane: AOCOMOXOA is grrreat album
[05:38] <kkathman> so...I got this directory in a state that even a root cant access it....pretty impressive eh?
[05:38] <Tm_T> oh, C = X
[05:38] <kkathman> HOW that happened Im not sure
[05:38] <insanekane> Tm_T: which band produced it ?
[05:39] <Tm_T> insanekane: Grateful Dead ofcourse =)
[05:39] <insanekane> oh right ;) hehe ..
[05:39] <insanekane> Tm_T: Grateful Dead was the first band I heard the music of ... if u dont count classical
[05:40] <Tm_T> heh
[05:40] <insanekane> so far, just one album ... skeletons in the closet
[05:40] <kkathman> how does one unmount a device?
[05:40] <insanekane> or some such thing
[05:40] <insanekane> kkathman: umount <mountpoint>
[05:40] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:40] <kkathman> thanks
[05:41] <kkathman> well it let me un mount it
[05:41] <foodcoman> Interesting Note:  My wife does house cleaning for a wealthy family.  The owners sister was Jerry Garcias, last wife!
[05:41] <foodcoman> No joke.
[05:41] <insanekane> wow
[05:41] <kkathman> and rmdir
[05:41] <insanekane> nice :)
[05:41] <Tm_T> foodcoman: hmm, small world :)
[05:41] <insanekane> foodcoman: :P
[05:41] <foodcoman> My wife is young and saw the pictures in the house and had no idea who he was.
[05:42] <Tm_T> haha
[05:42] <insanekane> LOL
[05:42] <Tm_T> kids...
[05:42] <foodcoman> The family is Pepsi and Proctor and Gamble money.
[05:42] <insanekane> aha
[05:42] <insanekane> bloody Pepsi
[05:42] <foodcoman> He does housing developement!
[05:42] <Tm_T> bloody Sabbath!
[05:42] <foodcoman> Tis a small world....Wish I had some money.
[05:43] <insanekane> hehe ... me too foodcoman :)
[05:43] <kkathman> ah ok
[05:43] <insanekane> foodcoman: so, if u get any ... pass it on ;)
[05:43] <kkathman> Tm_T: interesting...the directory is visible until you mount it and try to access it
[05:43] <foodcoman> Kubuntu only 76 nicks....Better here than Ubuntu.
[05:43] <foodcoman> hehehehe
[05:43] <insanekane> haha
[05:43] <kkathman> then for some reason it becomes invisible
[05:44] <sarom> Tm_t, Im sorry about yesterday, I couldnt send you the screenshot... someone had to use my computer, so I had to leave...
[05:44] <insanekane> foodcoman: maybe, we have 76 nicks because its worse here :)
[05:44] <Tm_T> sarom: np
[05:44] <kkathman> then when you unmount it..its visible again
[05:44] <foodcoman> Gluttons for punishment.
[05:46] <sarom> Tm_T, here you go: http://www.pix05.com/f/snapshot1203.jpg
[05:50] <kkathman> oops
[05:50] <Tm_T> sarom: aah, yes, (almost) default kde
[05:52] <sarom> hehehe
[05:53] <Tm_T> :)
[05:53] <Tm_T> I have almost default KDE too ;p
[05:53] <kkathman> AHA - fixed it :)
[05:53] <kkathman> DAMN Windows!!!!
[05:53] <Tm_T> kkathman: good
[05:53] <Tm_T> haha
[05:54] <Tm_T> kkathman: damn USER!
[05:54] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:54] <kkathman> windows gives a default share name as the folder plus a $
[05:54] <Tm_T> :p
[05:54] <kkathman> LInux does NOT like the $
[05:54] <sarom> I love windows
[05:54] <sarom> I want to go back
[05:54] <sarom> :(
[05:54] <sarom> hehehe
[05:54] <kkathman> so I have to go over to windows to change the share name to remove the $...worked with no problem then.
[05:55] <sarom> all my favorite programs and my life is in windows
[05:55] <kkathman> not sure I know which one is dumber..windows defaulting the $ or Linux prohibiting it :)
[05:58] <kkathman> Tm_T:  NOT damn USER :(  pFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!
[06:04] <xwing> hi
[06:04] <kkathman> hi :)
[06:06] <xwing> does kubuntu support transparent windows?
[06:06] <xwing> i want something like this http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2b3_4.png
[06:06] <sarom> wow
[06:06] <sarom> so many Windows questions
[06:07] <kkathman> xwing:  yes
[06:08] <kkathman> xwing:  its typically a function of the application you are running, such as konsole in that picture
[06:09] <Tm_T> kkathman: not? ;p
[06:09] <kkathman> ?
[06:10] <sarom> what defines the look of the kde taskbar?
[06:10] <xwing> 27mins left for download
[06:10] <kkathman> its not kubuntu itself...its the application that you adjust the settings to be transparent
[06:10] <kkathman> sarom: control center or right click on it and look at Configure Panel
[06:11] <Choubaka> Hmm
[06:11] <kkathman> howdy there Choubaka :)
[06:11] <Choubaka> I wonder if it's possible to do real transparenxy with any window manager/windget set yet.
[06:11] <Choubaka> -typos
[06:12] <kkathman> Choubaka: I havent pursued it much past konsole personally, except I dont think Konversation can have transparency can it?
[06:12] <Choubaka> the transparency in those images is fake.
[06:12] <sarom> kkathman, no, the taskbar configurations doesnt seem to define the look-n-feel of the taskbar
[06:12] <sarom> just a couple of options
[06:12] <sarom> but nothing that can significantly change the look
[06:12] <sarom> the only thing that seems to be changing it, is changing themes
[06:13] <kkathman> sarom:  are we talking the bottom bar, otherwise known as the kicker?
[06:13] <sarom> yes
[06:13] <sarom> the kicker
[06:13] <kkathman> I dont know why you say that then
[06:14] <kkathman> you can put a bitmap on it, change whats there, determine if its big or tiny or somewhere in between
[06:14] <kkathman> what exactly do you want to do?
[06:14] <sarom> change it's look significantly
[06:14] <Choubaka> It'll be cool when Metacity/GTK/ and xfwm and kwin/QT integrate support for true transparency. :)
[06:14] <sarom> you know, when you change KDE themes, the taskbar's look changes significantly
[06:14] <kkathman> right click on the kicker, and explore the options under Configure Panel...there are multiple tabs there
[06:14] <Choubaka> it's cool to look at firefox through your irssi window :D
[06:15] <sarom> kkathman, ok thank you
[06:15] <kkathman> sarom you can change the task bar independent or synchronous with the theme
[06:15] <sarom> so the theme actually changes the look of the taskbar by playing with the taskbar Appearance options?
[06:16] <kkathman> well yes, but you can change the kicker independent of the theme
[06:17] <kkathman> there are settings in that configure panel that allow you to do these options
[06:17] <sarom> right.. right... you're right
[06:17] <sarom> im playing with them now...
[06:17] <sarom> it seems I was confused in the beginning
[06:17] <kkathman> for instance, my k-menu button is one color, my konqueror is another, my desktops different, the color of my kicker is based on a bitmap and keyed to match my theme colors
[06:18] <sarom> yup.. you're correct
[06:18] <sarom> thank you!!!
[06:18] <xwing> how about scanners & printers. do alot work with kubuntu
[06:22] <nate_> howdy
[06:22] <nate_> everyone miss me?
[06:26] <gianluca> ciao
[06:28] <kkathman> xwing: printers are rarely a problem, scanners are pretty compatible too
[06:28] <kkathman> hey nate_  :)
[06:28] <Trackilizer> trying th kubuntu livecd
[06:28] <Trackilizer> first linux experince
[06:28] <Trackilizer> great so far
[06:29] <Trackilizer> how ever how do i fill the whole screen?
[06:29] <kkathman> Trackilizer: glad you like it...the real install is even better :)
[06:30] <Trackilizer> cool...might try
[06:30] <Trackilizer> can i have both winxp and kubuntu
[06:30] <Trackilizer> ?
[06:30] <kkathman> yes, you have to create what is called a dual boot system
[06:30] <Trackilizer> so how do i fill the whole screen because i have a big black border
[06:31] <kkathman> however, it requires a pretty good knowledge of hardware and partitioning of your hard drive
[06:31] <kkathman> hmm...fill the screen?
[06:31] <flames> how can i create a shortcut on desktop to a directory: /data/mydir ?
[06:31] <kkathman> I personally have not done the livecd, maybe Tm_T can help you
[06:32] <kkathman> flames: right click on the desktop and create it
[06:32] <Trackilizer> well i mean theres a big black space between the end of my screen and the desktop itself
[06:32] <flames> it works just application
[06:32] <kkathman> are you just trying to get a link to a folder?
[06:33] <flames> yes
[06:34] <flames> it not works
[06:34] <kkathman> best way to do that, is to simply open Konqueror, navigate to that directory and drag the icon to the desktop then say "Copy Here"
[06:34] <Tm_T> kkathman: no, symlink to here
[06:34] <Tm_T> not copy
[06:35] <kkathman> well that too I suppose
[06:35] <Tm_T> som fredh air ->
[06:35] <Tm_T> fresh
[06:35] <Trackilizer> so how do i install codecs
[06:37] <gianluca> buonasera
[06:37] <gianluca> chi mi aiuta?
[06:37] <kkathman> Trackilizer: since you are new, you'll want to read the ubuntuguide pretty well, most of the questions are answered there, or there are forums too the guide is at http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:37] <flames> ln -s works! thx for help!
[06:37] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: english please
[06:37] <kkathman> Trackilizer: to answer your question, tho, you can download them when you get the system installed
[06:38] <kkathman> english...gee thought I was speaking that, or was I in tongues again :(
[06:39] <kkathman> Man, everyone is got the BA today :(
[06:39] <kkathman> Im gonna just stfu :(
[06:41] <alfons> Hi, I've got a problem: when I enter a writable CD-R, the CDROM drive doesn't seem to try to read the cd, and I can't mount it since no medium was found. It started after I burned a cd with k3b. Any ideas how to fix it?
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> alfons: eject the cd and put it back in
[06:42] <alfons> I tried that already. When I enter a normal CD, it doesn't get recognized either.
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> try the almighty reboot
[06:43] <alfons> I think it has something to do with k3b, because there came an error that it couldn't lock the device or something. Rebooting didn't fix the problem either.
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> power the box off
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> wait 15 seconds
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> then turn it back on
[06:44] <alfons> ok I'll try that one. Thanks and goodbye
[07:00] <Kisain> anyone know about irssi?//
[07:04] <nanomad> is kde broken in kubuntu-breezy? 'cause im going to dist-upgrade now
[07:05] <KaiL> nop, the bug is in hoary-security
[07:05] <nanomad> lucky
[07:05] <nanomad> which bug in hoary?
[07:06] <KaiL> kdelibs-data makes some nonsence while installing
[07:06] <KaiL> and this script fixes it: http://moba.linuxfaqs.de/kdelibs-debug.sh
[07:06] <nanomad> sure? im running kubuntu now..maybe i havent installed that pkg
[07:06] <nanomad> or i havent noticed at that bug :)
[07:07] <KaiL> or Riddell fixed it ;)
[07:08] <nanomad> i've no idea....
[07:08] <nanomad> well...kde is running fine here...
[07:09] <heulSuSE_> Can I run that skript before I make apt-get upgrade to pevent my kde-settings?
[07:09] <KaiL> heulSuSE_: the settings are not affected by that script or the bug
[07:10] <KaiL> only the defaults are (kde uses "normal kde defaults" with the bug, no more the kubuntu-default-settings
[07:11] <heulSuSE_> Sure? Last time that bug destroyes my kde-settings.
[07:11] <nanomad> i havent noticed it 'cause i am not using kubuntu defaults
[07:11] <KaiL> nanomad: really none of them?
[07:12] <nanomad> KaiL, yes
[07:12] <nanomad> KaiL, dont like standard things ;)
[07:12] <KaiL> the other problem are nonworkung sudo in kcontrol
[07:12] <nanomad> mhh...
[07:13] <heulSuSE_> Ah, kcontrol made this?!
[07:13] <KaiL> hm?
[07:14] <heulSuSE_> kcontrol destroyes my kde-settings?
[07:14] <heulSuSE_> destroyed
[07:14] <KaiL> no
[07:15] <nanomad> anyone knows gartoon-like icons for kde?
[07:15] <heulSuSE_> so, i make apt-get upgrade and i will see what happens...
[07:15] <KaiL> heulSuSE_: those two problems have nothing to do with each other
[07:16] <heulSuSE_> ok! the "bug" with kcontrol now is repaired?
[07:17] <KaiL> hmm?
[07:17] <KaiL> just run the script...:)
[07:17] <KaiL> after install, before relogin
[07:17] <heulSuSE_> first make apt-upgrade first time!?
[07:18] <KaiL> yes
[07:19] <heulSuSE_> thank you, KaiL! I will try, wish me luck... ;)
[07:24] <theD3viL> KaiL, how many months?using (k)ubntu
[07:24] <KaiL> me?
[07:24] <KaiL> uhm, 2 weeks? :)
[07:24] <theD3viL> yes
[07:24] <theD3viL> =))
[07:24] <theD3viL> nice..
[07:24] <theD3viL> and before ?
[07:25] <KaiL> debian
[07:25] <theD3viL> pfff... like me... but i am still newbie ;)
[07:25] <KaiL> debian since christmas 2000
[07:25] <theD3viL> uff
[07:26] <theD3viL> guru ;)
[07:26] <nanomad> KaiL, like me...
[07:26] <nanomad> KaiL, ive started in november...
[07:27] <theD3viL> KaiL, witch theme do you using ?
[07:27] <KaiL> default
[07:28] <heulSuSE_> Why did you changed to kubuntu? Did you changed?
[07:28] <theD3viL> aha, and you nanomad ?
[07:28] <nanomad> gartoon icons...
[07:28] <nanomad> a nice desktop
[07:28] <theD3viL> theme ?
[07:28] <theD3viL> ;)
[07:28] <nanomad> created by me
[07:28] <theD3viL> aha:S
[07:28] <KaiL> heulSuSE_: because debian is alltime-outdated
[07:29] <nanomad> sid not...
[07:29] <heulSuSE_> And why not sid?
[07:29] <KaiL> KDE3.4 in sid? no
[07:29] <KaiL> Xorg in sid? no
[07:29] <theD3viL> kde-look.org themes are probably bad ha ?
[07:29] <KaiL> good preconfiguration is sid? no
[07:30] <heulSuSE_> With debian there is no possibility to use kde3.4?
[07:30] <KaiL> might be
[07:30] <nanomad> thats why i use kubuntu
[07:30] <KaiL> but in kubuntu this is besser made all
[07:30] <theD3viL> :>
[07:31] <theD3viL> is kde better than gnome to  you KaiL and nanomad?
[07:31] <heulSuSE_> Ok, then I think I'm right here! ;)
[07:31] <KaiL> I used GNOME, in times it was usable (1.4)
[07:31] <KaiL> with KDE3.0 I moved
[07:31] <theD3viL> why ?
[07:32] <KaiL> there they don't only remove features and redesign everything every month
[07:33] <theD3viL> :)
[07:34] <theD3viL> hm KaiL if i will using default theme will works better ?
[07:34] <KaiL> it only looks different :)
[07:34] <Diablo-D3> actually
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> kail
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> thats not quite right
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> the debian kde team has 3.4 packaged
[07:35] <KaiL> but not in sid
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> they just cant put it in the main archive until sarge is frozen
[07:35] <Diablo-D3> and since that happened, it should be in the main archive within a week
[07:36] <KaiL> sarge is a big joke imho
[07:36] <KaiL> Kernel 2.6.8, KDE3.3, XFree4.3....
[07:36] <Diablo-D3> sarge is also the last of its kind
[07:37] <KaiL> really?
[07:37] <KaiL> there are Plans for "+
[07:37] <Diablo-D3> yeah, they're going to catch up to ubuntu for the next stable release
[07:37] <KaiL> oops
[07:37] <KaiL> there are plans for "etch"
[07:38] <KaiL> ..which I expect in summer 2008
[07:38] <Diablo-D3> 2007 from what I understand
[07:38] <Diablo-D3> they need to overhaul a lot of the development process
[07:39] <Diablo-D3> its going to take awhile
[07:39] <KaiL> at first the need to reduce the time between the "ok, this are the versions we use"-decission and the release
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> thats like a 5 minute desicion
[07:40] <Diablo-D3> its the whole making uberstabe release thing
[07:41] <Diablo-D3> the reason people have problems with stable is that it compromises the quality of products by not constantly updating
[07:41] <KaiL> but they use totally outdated versions of the "big packages", that's the problem
[07:41] <Diablo-D3> ie, if version 2 is available upstream, then they need to package it, not keep applying backported security patches to version 1.
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> It compromises the quality of that package
[07:42] <Diablo-D3> From what I've been able to understand of the ubuntu way of doing shit, thats against policy, and you have to upgrade
[07:47] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[07:47] <Diablo-D3> why is knoppix still around?
[07:47] <uniq> why shouldn't it be?
[07:48] <Diablo-D3> You'd think they would have all jumped ship and would work on the kubuntu livecd instead
[07:48] <pussfeller> you would think linux might people might get tired of duplicating effort, but thats not the case
[07:49] <Diablo-D3> no kidding
[07:49] <uniq> wouldn't be that much fun :)
[07:49] <Diablo-D3> uniq: except we need a perfect product
[07:49] <pussfeller> linux needs more focus
[07:49] <uniq> what's perfect for you?
[07:49] <pussfeller> we only have so many resources
[07:49] <uniq> is that perfect for me?
[07:49] <Diablo-D3> uniq: no no
[07:49] <Diablo-D3> whats perfect for *them*
[07:49] <uniq> exactly.
[07:50] <Diablo-D3> We need to make a product so damn cool, microsoft will croak
[07:50] <pussfeller> we need a product so cool people will want it, who cares about ms
[07:52] <pussfeller> that means easy, free and functional
[07:52] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: if we keep doing that, then we've failed
[07:52] <pussfeller> the average user cant even add an email attachement without help
[07:52] <Diablo-D3> we need to figure out what microsoft is doing right to keep users, and then do the same thing, but 10x better
[07:53] <pussfeller> well that part is easy
[07:53] <pussfeller> ms has a lock on the manufactorers
[07:53] <pussfeller> has nothing to do with people liking or hating ms
[07:53] <Diablo-D3> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10502
[07:53] <pussfeller> they dont even think about it... windows "is" their computer
[07:53] <Diablo-D3> stupidest. story. ever.
[07:54] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: then we need to get a product so cool, all manufacturers have to ship it
[07:54] <eliteforce> hehe how can i unmount my cdrom drive? it always says its being used
[07:54] <uniq> 'we need' - why? - to dominate the world? is that a point?
[07:55] <jjesse> won't happen, i read someplace that MS is supporting OEMs so they actually make a profit, w/o windows support they wouldn't be turning the profit they are
[07:55] <pussfeller> i think the only thing that will loosen ms hold on dell, etc is people being exposed to linux at work or school
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> uniq: yup
[07:55] <pussfeller> dell will never rock the boat on its own
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> world domination is required.
[07:55] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: not true, they fund linux development too
[07:55] <uniq> monopoly is evil whoever got it imho.
[07:55] <pussfeller> yeah, but they know MS can mess them up anytime
[07:55] <buz> wtf should we even care to dominate the world
[07:56] <uniq> i don't at all.
[07:56] <eliteforce> how can i unmount my cdrom drive? it always says its in use?
[07:56] <pussfeller> MS only has a monopoly cause it was in the right place with the right thing at the beggining
[07:56] <Diablo-D3> eliteforce: kill everything using it
[07:56] <pussfeller> it worked better than the competitors
[07:56] <pussfeller> and it still does
[07:57] <uniq> eliteforce: fuser -vk /dev/cdrom
[07:57] <uniq> and then unmount.
[07:57] <eliteforce> Diablo-D3: i dont know whats using it
[07:57] <uniq> eliteforce: or umount -l /dev/cdrom
[07:57] <pussfeller> sometimes kongy will hold onto a file for awhile
[07:57] <Diablo-D3> eliteforce: you can always just quit your session
[07:57] <uniq> eliteforce: umount -l is good.
[07:58] <eliteforce> lool: mount says: /dev/hdd on /media/cdrom0
[07:58] <eliteforce> i cant open the cdrom drive :)
[08:00] <Diablo-D3> brb
[08:01] <uniq> eliteforce: umount -l /dev/hdd
[08:01] <eliteforce> i did this
[08:01] <eliteforce> but it doesnt seem to do anything
[08:03] <eliteforce> i mounted the cdrom by clicking the cdrom shortcut on my desktop
[08:07] <_edsuom> How do I show just the apps for the active desktop on the kde panel? (That's how I had it in Gentoo...)
[08:15] <ChrisH_> yo peeps, looking for some help getting my mouse to work
[08:19] <pussfeller> man konqy needs those "extract here" context menus
[08:20] <pussfeller> and ark insists upon using ~ as its base dir instead of the dir you are extracting out of
[08:20] <ChrisH_> anyone have any tips on getting my mouse to work in kubuntu?
[08:25] <nate_> setting up a vpn tunnel with a pix is a pain
[08:28] <ChrisH_> I'm also wondering why konqueror doesn't seem to like my proxy, but getting the mouse working is more major
[08:34] <slicnotslak> great, some new spammer has found my domain.  now my catchall receives over 50 spams at one time.
[08:35] <ChrisH_> :( no-one know anything about my poor little mouse?
[08:49] <Tm_T> hmmmmh
[08:50] <pussfeller> ChrisH_, what kind of mouse is it
[08:50] <ChrisH_> pussfeller: MS optical one
[08:51] <pussfeller> a psaux?
[08:51] <ChrisH_> strangely it seems ok with livecd, just not since I've installed
[08:51] <ChrisH_> ps/2
[08:52] <pussfeller> you might check /etc/X11/xorg.conf to see if it has the right mouse
[08:53] <ChrisH_> I'll have a look
[08:54] <spjoe> aRts crash if i start amarok, what can i do?
[08:55] <crimsun> doesn't use arts
[08:55] <spjoe> gstream
[08:55] <spjoe> ?
[08:55] <crimsun> use the xine or gst backend
[08:55] <spjoe> how do i star gstreamer
[08:56] <crimsun> choose the gst engine
[08:56] <crimsun> then configure gst
[08:57] <spjoe> how do i configure gst engine(in amarok i can only choose between <no engine> and aRts)
[09:00] <ChrisH_> pussfeller: ok /etx/X11/xorg.conf isn't very revealing
[09:00] <ChrisH_> I have a "configured mouse", using driver "mouse"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> Section "InputDevice"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> 	Driver		"mouse"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> 	Option		"CorePointer"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> 	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> 	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> 	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"false"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> 	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
[09:06] <ChrisH_> anyone any ideas?
[09:07] <mrmanic> what is ImPS/2?
[09:08] <ChrisH_> I have absolutely no idea
[09:09] <ChrisH_> I'm guessing that's what the problem is
[09:09] <ChrisH_> but I dunno what it should be
[09:10] <mrmanic> hmm
[09:10] <mrmanic> mine is like that too
[09:10] <mrmanic> in fact, I think it's EXACTLY like that.
[09:10] <ChrisH_> doing a quick google brings up exactly the same too
[09:11] <mrmanic> have you tried changing option "Device" to "/dev/psaux"?
[09:11] <ChrisH_> so I really don't know what's wrong with it
[09:11] <ChrisH_> mrmanic: will try now, back in a sec
[09:12] <mrmanic> hrm
[09:12] <mrmanic> I get information catting both /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice
[09:14] <Kisain> how do i keep my monitor from goin into standby?
[09:15] <crimsun> disable dpms
[09:15] <mikl> Where can i find a good po-editor for KDE?
[09:15] <spjoe> is the an amd54 version of amarok-gstreamer avialable?
[09:15] <ChrisH_> mrmanic: no luck :(
[09:15] <Kisain> how i'm new to kubuntu
[09:16] <crimsun> spjoe: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=amarok-gstreamer&version=hoary&arch=amd64
[09:16] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: try catting /dev/input/mice
[09:16] <mrmanic> and move your mouse around
[09:16] <mrmanic> you'll probably have to sudo
[09:16] <ChrisH_> ok
[09:16] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: sudo cat /dev/input/mice
[09:17] <spjoe> thx crimsun
[09:18] <Kisain> how do i disable dpms?
[09:18] <ChrisH_> mrmanic: still nothing
[09:19] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: nothing shows up?
[09:19] <mrmanic> ChrisH_: when I move my mouse around, I get a bunch of weird characters onscreen
[09:19] <ChrisH_> mrmanic: konsole does 'something' but there's no output and the pointer doesn't move
[09:20] <ChrisH_> Kisain: google came up with this http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/Battery-Powered/powersav.shtml
[09:20] <mrmanic> does the cursor move around in konsole?
[09:21] <Kisain> k thanx man
[09:21] <ChrisH_> nope
[09:21] <ChrisH_> hmmm, ok I've managed to nab someone else's mouse
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> I dont get why gnome needs a livecd
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> isnt ubuntu enough?
[09:22] <ChrisH_> it's a USB one but I'll give it a shot and see what heppens
[09:22] <Kisain> XF86Config where is this file located?
[09:22] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: /etc/X11/XF86Config
[09:23] <mrmanic> Kisain: you probably want /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you're using kubuntu
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> Kisain: which you dont have, ubuntu doesnt use xfree86
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> yeah what mrmanic said
[09:23] <crimsun> Warty used XFree86
[09:23] <mrmanic> crimsun: have I mentioned today that I think you're a superstar?
[09:23] <Diablo-D3> bad warty! bad!
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> no crapping on the carpet!
[09:24] <Kisain> oh ok
[09:24] <crimsun> mrmanic: err?
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> who here has a 17" monitor
[09:24] <Diablo-D3> what resolution do you use?
[09:25] <mrmanic> crimsun: that's just the general feeling I get from seeing what you type in various channels I frequent.
[09:25] <crimsun> mrmanic: I just have a lot of time to waste today for some odd reason ;)
[09:25] <mrmanic> :)
[09:26] <ChrisH_> ok, the latest.   The 2k machine is connected to the internet (shared int. connection) and via LAN I can use the Kubuntu box to surf on the internet (using the 2k machine as a kind of router). Now I was wondering, if I visit some spyware-rich sites on my Linux machine, is it then possible that the 2k machine gets infected with a virus or spyware?
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: hahah no
[09:32] <ChrisH_> AlfonsVH: wow, good question.  Don't have an answer, but that's still a good question
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: the way a machine gets infected byviruses and spyware is by _running it_
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: obviously if it just routes tcp packets, it isnt running them.
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: however, this doesnt mean the win2k machine cant get infected by other means
[09:33] <ChrisH_> on the subject of net surfing, is there any reason why konqueror won't even connect to my local domain even after entering the proxy?
[09:34] <pussfeller> AlfonsVH, you would probably be better off switching things around... ms boxes don't make very good routers
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: such as viewing those websites on the win2k machine, or a worm
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> and yeah what pussfeller said
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> I use a linux box as the router
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> its far more safer
[09:34] <ChrisH_> Diablo-D3: "more safer"?
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> your win2k box is _not_ protected from remote security flaws
[09:34] <pussfeller> the junkiest, oldest machine you can find with a hd and 2 net cards will work perfectly
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> "more safe"?
[09:35] <ChrisH_> that makes more sense certainly
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> I use my laptop as my lan's router
[09:35] <AlfonsVH> hmm yes but I'm using a kind of strange modem (USB, hard-to-find drivers etc) and it works ok on 2k now, so I'm not willing to try to install it in linux etc.....
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> of course, it _did_ stop being a laptop when I did that...
[09:35] <ChrisH_> AlfonsVH: out of interest what sort of modem is it?
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> now its just a little computer with a built in mouse, keyboard, and monitor
[09:36] <AlfonsVH> a E-Tech ADSL USB modem
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: just replace the modem
[09:36] <pussfeller> does the connection drop alot
[09:36] <ChrisH_> back home my 'rents have a motorola one that I had real difficulty getting to work with SuSE
[09:36] <AlfonsVH> not willing to pay any money, Diablo-D3
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: with something that uses an ethernet cable
[09:36] <pussfeller> i had an alcatel and I be damned if win2k didnt droop the dsl connection every couple hours
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> rent one from your isp or something
[09:37] <Choubaka> AlfonsVH: USB modems are the invention of hell.
[09:37] <AlfonsVH> I know I should do that, but it just costs too much (I'm a student, you see) and renting isn't a good option, I think
[09:37] <ChrisH_> mrmanic: mice = still not happy :(
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> usb dsl modems dont even make sense
[09:37] <AlfonsVH> no
[09:37] <Choubaka> they should be defiled, destroyed and then defiled again.
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> the only thing a dsl modem is sort of a minature atm box
[09:37] <AlfonsVH> it came free with my ADSL account
[09:37] <Choubaka> and then burned and destroyed.
[09:37] <Choubaka> etc.
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> that 'converts' ethernet to dsl.
[09:37] <pussfeller> i had sbc YAHOO! dsl and I just don't dig it
[09:38] <pussfeller> lousy comcast/YAHOO! dsl both have for shit upload
[09:38] <AlfonsVH> yeah but if I understand you right, the 2k box can't get infected as long as I don't visit sites on that bo
[09:38] <AlfonsVH> x
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> actually, why do we even call them dsl modems?
[09:38] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: you can get infected using a remote security hole
[09:38] <mrmanic> Diablo-D3: because that's what they are marketed as.
[09:38] <pussfeller> no AlfonsVH the win2k box is not effected by you visiting a website
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> mrmanic: yeah, but they dont do any actual modeming
[09:39] <AlfonsVH> and is that a common thing to happen, Diablo-D3 ?
[09:39] <mrmanic> Diablo-D3: just as "broadband" was marketed to mean "high speed"
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: last year there was 2 or 3
[09:39] <pussfeller> not when its just passing the connection along
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> mrmanic: yeah, but its not an analog connection
[09:39] <pussfeller> but who knows with ms product, maybe they capture eachpacket to see if they can find a way to get owned by it
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> mrmanic: no modulating or demodulating
[09:39] <AlfonsVH> hmm I'll take the risk rather than buying a whole new modem, ....
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> mrmanic: its a pure digital connection
[09:39] <Diablo-D3> pussfeller: nope ;)
[09:40] <mrmanic> Diablo-D3: I agree with you, I'm just saying that there are misnomers everywhere.
[09:40] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: doesnt really matter, you're most likely already infected
[09:40] <ChrisH_> I'm guessing the terminology is so that non-geeky types can understadn them
[09:40] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: a new, unpatched, XP box gets infected in under 5 minutes
[09:40] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: which means you cant even download SP2 + SP2 rollup in that short ofa time
[09:40] <AlfonsVH> hahah, yeah... but I trust the antivirus and antispyware-programs ;-)
[09:40] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: they dont protect you from that
[09:40] <pussfeller> yeah if yer too cheap to buy a decent ethernet baed modem, at least find a way to get behind a router
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> infact, most antivirus programs just serve to make your computer unstable and crash-happy
[09:41] <AlfonsVH> I'm running 2k as I said, and I ran windows update,...
[09:41] <ChrisH_> there is ONE way to stop spyware etc. in under 5 mins
[09:41] <AlfonsVH> formatting or what, ChrisH
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> ChrisH_: it takes more than 5 minutes to install linux
[09:41] <pussfeller> ms doesn;t even really support w2k any more
[09:41] <ChrisH_> being behind a good firewall at work/uni/school
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> heh
[09:41] <Diablo-D3> does that usb modem have a built in firewall?
[09:41] <AlfonsVH> I know, but I assume most of the security holes are fixed (hmm probably they aren't...)
[09:42] <AlfonsVH> nope, no firewall
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> ouch
[09:42] <AlfonsVH> it's way to cheap to have that
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> the built in firewall in windows wont help you either
[09:42] <AlfonsVH> 2k doesn't have a built-in firewall
[09:42] <pussfeller> win2k doesn't have that
[09:42] <ChrisH_> that way you probably get nearer to 15-20mins before getting bolloxed
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> er, it doesnt?
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> I swore it did
[09:42] <Diablo-D3> oh well
[09:42] <pussfeller> sp2 for xp
[09:42] <AlfonsVH> and if I use a freeware firewall, are they trusteable?
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: nope, because windows is wired wrong
[09:43] <AlfonsVH> hmm
[09:43] <AlfonsVH> windows really sucks eh
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: see, the firewall needs to be able to hook right into the tcp/ip stack
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: so its between it and everything else
[09:43] <pussfeller> the firewall doesn't come up at the right time in the boot process either, i don't think
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> windows doesnt allow that
[09:43] <ChrisH_> AlfonsVH: i think that ZoneAlarms is passable
[09:43] <AlfonsVH> oh... so there isn't any solution, really
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> thankfully iptables and co in linux is
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> nope, no solution
[09:43] <AlfonsVH> OK, I'm used to that
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> the only way to have a firewall is either have it in hardware, or have a linux or bsd box do it
[09:44] <AlfonsVH> ok
[09:44] <kkathman> if you want to know your true vulerability, go to grc.com and let them do the Shields Up test on your computer. You'll find all your vulnerabilities very fast.
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> AlfonsVH: its okay, in 5 years windows will be banned from the internet anyhow
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: I should try that
[09:44] <pussfeller> heh I doubt that
[09:44] <AlfonsVH> is that possibly dangerous, kkathman?
[09:44] <blueyed> What's used during startup to set the network routes? "ifup -an --force" here says that it would use dhclient3.. is dhclient3 then responsible for setting up the routes?
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: if your network is running dhcp, then thats what you use
[09:45] <kkathman> no, Gibson is one of the worlds experts in secuirty and nearly all his stuff is free
[09:45] <pussfeller> hes not an expert...
[09:45] <kkathman> its a great site for just reading
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> Gibson is an idiot imo
[09:45] <kkathman> hes an expert
[09:45] <Diablo-D3> he just has a few useful tools
[09:46] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, but it gives "DHCPACK from <IP_ADDRESS> \n SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable".. and "route" is empty.
[09:46] <kkathman> well his tools are very good for detecting your system's vulnerability
[09:46] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, I've installed ubuntu-base on a dist-upgradet woody server.
[09:46] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: thats from your isp methinks
[09:47] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, you mean the 81.x.x.x IP? It's the ISP (where the server is located). Looks all fine despite of the "Network is unreachable" error.
[09:47] <Diablo-D3> yeah, something is seriously fubar
[09:47] <Diablo-D3> make sure your default route is set correctly
[09:47] <Diablo-D3> ie, non-existant
[09:48] <nate_> anyone have a cool program i can play with?  I have a little time to blow
[09:48] <nate_> ooh, nvm
[09:48] <AlfonsVH> All attempts to get any information from your computer have FAILED. (This is very uncommon for a Windows networking-based PC.)  Thanks very much  for the information!
[09:53] <kkathman> all that one test does it just go through a series of common ports to see if they are accessible
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> seeya AlfonsVH
[09:53] <narg> So if I just got a new graphics card (nvidia), and I had an integrated one before it, would I install the drivers pkgs then dpkg --reconfigure xserver?
[09:53] <kkathman> there's another program on there that does more I think
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: yeah, its retarded
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: it doesnt even try to guess what OS im running
[09:53] <kkathman> but, you have to admit, most people dont even have THOSE closed :)
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> narg: yeah
[09:54] <narg> nods
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: btw, yes, there is another one, HOWEVER, tell them to just upgrade their dhcpd
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: well, its stupid, it bitches I have ident open
[09:54] <kkathman> putting a darned NAT router between you and the DSL at least closes most of it
[09:54] <Diablo-D3> kkathman: is he some anti-irc whacko or something?
[09:54] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, I want to see if that's the error first.. and unfortunately I cannot apt-get without network.. :/
[09:54] <kkathman> haha..well probably
[09:55] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, I guess I'll have to manually add the routes then..?
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: like I said, try the ubuntu livecd first
[09:55] <kkathman> but I dont have ident enabled either hehe
[09:55] <nate_> Where do I put scripts that I want to be able to use globally, like a global command?
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: yup
[09:55] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, it's a remote system.. :)
[09:55] <kkathman> when I sign on to IRC it tells me so :) lol
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> nate_: /usr/local/bin
[09:55] <blueyed> I'm with ssh on the serial port..
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: ... oh. You == screwed.
[09:55] <nate_> Diablo-D3: thanks
[09:55] <blueyed> :/
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: or ask them to burn an ubuntu cd and test it
[09:55] <ChrisH_> ok, logically if I copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf from the livecd onto my system it should make my mouse work
[09:56] <ChrisH_> yes/no?
[09:56] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, pff they won't do it. It's a cheap server. I'll manually add the routes and try apt-get dhcp-client (not v3).
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> ChrisH_: nope.
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> ChrisH_: however, a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg could help
[09:57] <ChrisH_> but if my mouse works with the live cd, but not the installed version, surely a copy/paste job should fix it?
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> ChrisH_: well, you _could_
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> ChrisH_: but you have to dpkg-reconfigure anyhow
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> iirc the livecd has special magic
[09:58] <ChrisH_> :(
[09:58] <ChrisH_> damned livecd
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> afk food
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> seriously, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:58] <ChrisH_> okies
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> and use all the defaults it gives you
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> and if it asks to autodetect input...
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> say yes.
[09:59] <blueyed> Diablo-D3, # route add -net <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:59] <blueyed> SIOCADDRT: Invalid argument
[09:59] <blueyed> wtf?
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> blueyed: dunno
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> Im seriously going afk for food
[09:59] <blueyed> bye
[10:04] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[10:04] <Diablo-D3> food isnt done yet
[10:04] <nate_> is there a way to install something found on the hoary cd without the cd, like a cd repo?
[10:06] <ChrisH_> Diablo-D3: ok, autodetecting doesn't work
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> ouch
[10:06] <ChrisH_> indeed
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> try cpying from the livecd or whatever
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> nate_: yeah, use the internet.
[10:07] <nate_> Diablo-D3: I just figured it out, comment out the cd from sources.list
[10:07] <ChrisH_> and kubuntu is supposed to be easy!!
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> ChrisH_: well, you seem to be the only one with problems
[10:07] <nate_> Diablo-D3: someone else told me :)
[10:09] <alfons> I'm back (I was AlfonsVH a couple of minutes ago)
[10:10] <ChrisH_> I wonder if all this mouse bother is linked to the installer not liking ym keyboard at first
[10:11] <ChrisH_> or more likely my machine is just crap
[10:11] <alfons> I've got a problem with my settings: At boot time, the boot-thing says that it can't find the Locale settings
[10:11] <alfons> or that they are configured incorrectly
[10:21] <pussfeller> ChrisH_, you might wanna file a bug report
[10:22] <ChrisH_> he says he's gonna do that
[10:23] <pussfeller> kde 3.4.0 must be the bug release
[10:25] <ChrisH_> I'm trying to reinstall with the mouse in a USB port, see if that makes any difference
[10:26] <ChrisH_> at this rate I might have to reinstal SuSE tonight, to get my machine up and running
[10:29] <tenchi21> can someone tell me what boot floppy i need to load kubuntu (no cdrom boot option on my pc)
[10:29] <mrmanic> I'm thinking of going back to vanilla debian.
[10:33] <nate_> mrmanic: no you're not
[10:33] <nate_> mrmanic: lies!
[10:33] <uniq> why would you do that?
[10:34] <uniq> if it's a desktop system i can't think of any reason.
[10:35] <Bicchi> is there a way to upgrade the packages that i have allready downloaded. for example i used build-essentials to get gcc but i now know that there is a newer version of it. How can i get an update to it.
[10:35] <nate_> Bicchi: it should say when there's an update
[10:35] <tenchi21> so i take it by no one answering that (k)ubuntu has no way to boot from a floppy??
[10:35] <nate_> Bicchi: the newer version might not be kosher with ubuntu
[10:36] <Bicchi> nate_: but i have version 3.4 of gcc and version 4.0 is out.
[10:36] <nate_> Bicchi: it might not be compatible with ubuntu yet
[10:36] <nate_> Bicchi: maybe the repos are slow about putting the packages up though
[10:36] <Bicchi> nate_: and when you say, "should say when there's an update", who ??
[10:36] <mrmanic> uniq: I am used to debian vanilla, and I haven't figured out yet how to track the cutting edge packages as they're released.  I currently track hoary, but I'm used to tracking debian unstable.
[10:37] <nate_> a system-tray icon
[10:37] <nate_> Bicchi: or apt-get update
[10:37] <uniq> mrmanic: track breezy then?
[10:37] <Bicchi> nate_: would that update of all my downloads.
[10:37] <nate_> Bicchi: yes, i believe so
[10:38] <mrmanic> uniq: so breezy equates to debian unstable in ubuntu?
[10:39] <uniq> more ore less.. it's the closest you'll get.. but it will become the next stable over time.
[10:39] <uniq> it's not like sid, which always is unstable.
[10:40] <Choubaka> Don't track breezy yet.
[10:40] <Choubaka> The worst breakage is yet to happen afaik.
[10:40] <uniq> it's more like a snapshot of sid, and you track it till it's stable.. and change to the next unstable.
[10:40] <uniq> snapshot of sid.. beeing stabilized..
[10:42] <Bicchi> i noticed that the command to update is "sudo apt-get update" but what is the "sudo apt-get upgrade" for?
[10:42] <mrmanic> I kinda prefer sid, which is always unstable, but generally not so unstable as to be unusable, or not for long, anyway.
[10:43] <mrmanic> Bicchi: apt-get update updates your apt package database so you know what's available from where.  apt-get upgrade actually gets the upgraded packages
[10:43] <uniq> bicchi: to make the command run as root (super user)
[10:43] <Bicchi> mrmanic: so hte upgrade actually gets it and then installs it automatically.
[10:43] <uniq> ehm.. nevermind me.
[10:44] <mrmanic> Bicchi: basically
[10:44] <mrmanic> not necessarily automatically
[10:44] <mrmanic> it installs a lot of things automatically
[10:44] <Bicchi> mrmanic: but it does the installation. that is what i am refering to.
[10:44] <mrmanic> but some things actually need user intervention, due to new core settings available or what have you.
[10:44] <mrmanic> yes
[10:44] <Bicchi> would that upgrade the kernel also.
[10:45] <mrmanic> I don't think so
[10:45] <mrmanic> well, it might incrementally upgrade the kernel, but it won't upgrade to a new version of the kernel, just a new version of the kernel package, I think.
[10:46] <Bicchi> so it does minor security fixes. is that what you are saying
[10:46] <mrmanic> I'm not that up on ubuntu, unfortunately
[10:46] <mrmanic> in debian, that's how they do it.
[10:47] <Pooh22> hi all
[10:47] <Bicchi> mrmanic: let me ask the ubuntu channel. thanks for the help.
[10:47] <mrmanic> the kernel package may have a few package revisions, I think, including different security fixes or other fixes.
[10:47] <Pooh22> I'm not sure this is the right place, but I'll shoot anyway
[10:47] <mrmanic> ok Bicchi.  Sorry I couldn't help you more.
[10:48] <Bicchi> mrmanic: no, actually you did. thanks
[10:48] <Pooh22> I've a weird problem with my PC when starting X (suddenly started on monday)
[10:48] <Pooh22> my PC just hangs, no warning, nothing, nothing in the logs either
[10:49] <Pooh22> when I start the kubuntu live CD, it hangs, when I start knoppix 3.8.1, it boots fine into X
[10:49] <mrmanic> have you updated firmware or something?
[10:49] <Pooh22> my memory seems ok, so are my HDDs, I changed my nvidia with a matrox g400, no difference
[10:50] <narg> peer, I put in my new video card, plugged in moniter to it, then installed drivers and reconfigured x. Yet x only detected my onboard one...
[10:50] <Pooh22> mrmanic: no I just tried to restart my X session on monday
[10:52] <Pooh22> The only thing I can think of that changed recently is that my GF recently started to use my PC using remote X instead of her own system
[10:53] <Pooh22> but that can't be a hardware killer????
[10:53] <buz> coincidence probably
[10:54] <ChrisH_> bum, not the bastard things hung whilst checking my USB devices
[10:54] <Pooh22> I guess, but it becomes difficult not to become superstitious when nothing comes into the logfiles :-(
[10:54] <transgress> Pooh22: did you check the x start up log?
[10:54] <transgress> oh
[10:54] <ChrisH_> you'd think my machine would be pretty standard coming from a relativly major PC store
[10:54] <ChrisH_> but no
[10:55] <ChrisH_> it seems to be the exception to every rule
[10:55] <transgress> ChrisH_: why would you think that? heh... what's the problem?
[10:55] <transgress> ChrisH_: why not blacklist checking for USB...
[10:55] <transgress> see if that fixes it.
[10:55] <Pooh22> transgress: the machine hangs so hard it's scary
[10:56] <ChrisH_> transgress: problems since Jan include, no sound, partition problems and now mouse problmes
[10:56] <ChrisH_> you'd think detection of a simple PS/2 mouse would be easy, but no
[10:57] <transgress> ChrisH_: what type of sound card?  and did you change mice?
[10:57] <Pooh22> ChrisH_: I'd suspect the MB
[10:57] <Pooh22> But maybe that's because I'm already suspecting mine ;-)
[10:57] <ChrisH_> sound card is an integrated one and I'm hoping the switch to kubuntu will sort it
[10:57] <narg> thats that Id think too. Everything failing at once sounds moboish.
[10:58] <ChrisH_> the mouse works fine in livecd, and both mine and another won't work with my installed system
[10:58] <transgress> ChrisH_: well you probably wanna run everything through artsd because i'm guessing it doesn't have a hardware mixer on it
[10:58] <ChrisH_> transgress: not that I know of
[11:00] <nate_> man, konquerer is buggy, its crashed several times on me
[11:00] <ChrisH_> ok, reinstall with mouse in USB port has also failed
[11:00] <ChrisH_> fook!
[11:05] <narg> So anyone know why my video card isnt working?
[11:05] <ChrisH_> cocking bastarding bloody fucking shit thing!
[11:34] <Kisain> anyone know how to turn off powersaving for the monitir in kubuntu?
[11:35] <r3v> in KDE or console?
[11:35] <r3v> if you right click on desktop
[11:35] <r3v> then display I think.  there is section on it
[11:36] <Kisain> kde
[11:38] <Kisain> poer dispolay management is disabled
[11:38] <Kisain> yet the screen still blanks
[11:39] <r3v> screen saver?
[11:40] <NTolerance> KDE Control Center -> Peripherals -> Display -> Power Control
[11:40] <Kisain> yea i like them
[11:40] <Kisain> so i wanna keep them from being blanked
[11:40] <r3v> xset s noblank
[11:40] <r3v> see if that fixes it
[11:40] <r3v> not sure where that opion is in a gui
[11:40] <Kisain> is unchecked
[11:41] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[11:41] <Kisain> then i realized that it's because
[11:41] <Kisain> it has to be cheked to disable it
[11:41] <Kisain> lol
[11:41] <Kisain> i just figured it out
[11:42] <NTolerance> :D
[11:42] <Kisain> i was thinking "windsuxs hacxp"
[11:42] <Kisain> lol
[11:57] <adrien> coucou tlm


[04:54] <Madpilot> What is supposed to happen when you click on the UbuntuOne icon in the notification area and hit Connect? So far, nothing at all happens; U1 certainly doesn't appear to be connecting to anything...
[05:04] <Madpilot> OK, found the issue. UbuntuOne and Epiphany (epiphany-browser) do not get along.
[05:35] <Madpilot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/493051
[05:35] <Madpilot> lousy bug report - sorry. Anyone who can attempt to recreate it, please do!
[08:03] <josh__> not a lot of chatting in this room seems like, lol
[10:37] <Tobberoth> Does Ubuntu One support websites as well?
[18:11] <Migi32> hey everyone, in Tomboy's preferences I don't see any option "Tomboy Web". I've installed Ubuntu 1 manually on 9.04 and uploading files works perfectly. Only the notes aren't working
[18:14] <Migi32> Any ideas? Should I reinstall Ubuntu One? Should I perhaps reinstall Tomboy?
[18:21] <dobey> Migi32: you need the newer version of tomboy that is in Karmic.
[18:21] <dobey> i'm not sure if it's in jaunty-backports. but it's not in our PPA
[18:23] <dobey> Migi32: now that Karmic is out though, we're working on scheduling dropping support for Jaunty with Ubuntu One. And Lucid (next LTS) will be released in April, so we'll probably be working on getting Jaunty support dropped soon, as we work on buildiner newer features.
[18:24] <dobey> Migi32: If you can, I'd recommend upgrading to Karmic. Thanks for using Ubuntu One!
[18:24]  * dobey goes back to his weekend, and working on his new house
[18:33] <Migi32> sorry I was afk for a moment
[18:34] <Migi32> ok, I think I'll upgrade to Karmic :)
[21:52] <rtgz> is anybody from dev team here?
[22:02] <rtgz> SHARE IS BROKEN (sorry for caps, need some attention)
[22:04] <rtgz> dobey, jblount, urbanape, ping: Bug #493327
[23:58] <dbist> hey all
[23:58] <dbist> any devs?