[01:05]  * redir goes eod
[02:30] <natefinch> davecheney: you around?
[02:54] <mup> Bug #1583422 changed: status-history is broken <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583422>
[03:06] <mup> Bug #1583422 opened: status-history is broken <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583422>
[03:08] <davecheney> natefinch: ac
[03:08] <davecheney> ack
[03:08] <natefinch> davecheney: do you think this bug requires maas? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1537585
[03:08]  * natefinch waits for a slow mup
[03:09] <natefinch> davecheney: sounds like "we're deploying a lot of machines and containers, and some contention/race in the code is blowing up if we go too fast"
[03:15] <mup> Bug #1583422 changed: status-history is broken <juju-core:Fix Released by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583422>
[03:18] <davecheney> natefinch: no idea, never done any maas
[03:18] <davecheney> why do we have a concept of connecting to the API without logging in ?
[03:18] <davecheney> what operations are permitted without authentication ?
[03:19] <natefinch> davecheney: not many, but a few
[03:20] <davecheney> that blows
[03:20] <davecheney> that means any api client method like ModelUUID has to return an error
[03:20] <davecheney> because it plays double duty as a "hey, you aren't logged in yet"
[03:20] <davecheney> signal
[03:22] <natefinch> davecheney: it's possible we've cleaned everything up since I last looked, but I don't know for sure
[03:23] <davecheney> the problem i'm trying to fix is api/service/client.go which reutrns "" if there is an error retrievin the model uuid
[03:23] <davecheney> and I cannot change the api like I did for https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/682e48db28d27b8730fce3aab1a63d5260787caf
[03:23] <davecheney> because of the horrid romulus mess
[03:24] <davecheney> so I tried to store the model tag earlier, but apparently there is logic that expects you to be connected, but not have a model
[03:24] <natefinch> ug
[03:24] <davecheney> technical debt -- fuck yeah!
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1558734 changed: POWER8 agent stacktraces and refuses to boot <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558734>
[05:03] <mup> Bug #1583893 opened: 1.25.5: goroutine panic launching container on xenial <landscape> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583893>
[07:40] <mup> Bug #1583934 opened: revision specified in the charm, how? <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583934>
[11:18] <fwereade> hmm, do we have terminology to distinguish concisely between "agents running in a hosted model" vs "agents running in a controller model"? e.g. "controller agents" won't really work because not all agents in controller models actually run controller tasks or need controller-level privileges
[11:20] <fwereade> the biggest distinction I'm aware of is whether they're migratable -- stuff running in a controller environment isn't -- but it doesn't seem quite fundamental enough
[11:27] <fwereade> "hosted" vs "fixed"? [hosted unit agent, hosted machine agent] and [fixed unit agent, fixed machine agent, (implicitly fixed) controller machine agent]
[11:27] <fwereade> ?
[11:29] <fwereade> it's sort of nice to emphasise immobility of agents in controller models, because they can't even be rehosted... but it would be wrong to imply *mobility* of agents in hosted models, because it's not the *agents* that move, it's that they can switch to being managed by a different host
[11:31] <fwereade> english is hard :/
[11:32] <fwereade> if anyone sees the scrollback and has thoughts, they would be appreciated
[11:42] <voidspace> wwitzel3: ping
[13:59] <mup> Bug #1584059 opened: Deployment of swift-storage charms fails with Juju 2.0 - swift-storage-relation-joined KeyError: 'JUJU_ENV_UUID' <oil> <juju-core:New> <swift-storage (Juju Charms Collection):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584059>
[13:59] <katco> good morning juju
[14:00] <perrito666> katco: good morning katco
[14:01] <katco> perrito666: feeling any better?
[14:02] <perrito666> katco: yep, I transitioned into the bearable but persistent cold status
[14:02] <perrito666> which is.... well bearable
[14:02] <katco> perrito666: well at least that's progress
[14:03] <perrito666> yep, I can swallow
[14:03] <perrito666> and no longer shivering
[14:04] <katco> ugh being sick is the worst
[14:04] <perrito666> yes it is
[14:15] <redir> fwereade: yt?
[14:16] <katco> fwereade: also wondering
[14:17] <redir> you're in demand
[14:17] <redir> morning katco
[14:17] <katco> redir: i wonder if he's thread safe
[14:17] <katco> redir: morning
[14:18] <redir> :)
[14:18] <redir> deadlocked
[14:18] <katco> redir: hopefully livelocked...
[14:18] <redir> or that
[14:18] <fwereade> redir, heyhey!
[14:18] <ericsnow> katco, redir: I've got him right now :)
[14:18] <fwereade> katco, also :)
[14:18] <redir> doh
[14:18] <katco> ericsnow: snooooooow!
[14:18] <ericsnow> redir: we've been talking about your patch :)
[14:18]  * redir backs away slowly
[14:19] <ericsnow> haha
[14:19] <redir> in moonstone?
[14:19] <fwereade> redir, no worries, sorry I wasn't available before
[14:19] <redir> np
[14:19] <ericsnow> fwereade: you have time to chat with redir and me right now?
[14:19] <fwereade> redir, ericsnow, sure, I'll join you there
[14:20] <redir> gimme 2 minutes
[14:20] <redir> moonstone?
[14:50] <katco> redir: ericsnow: natefinch: we can defer the standup. this conversation with william is more important for now
[14:50] <ericsnow> katco: ack
[14:52] <natefinch> ok
[14:59] <katco> natefinch: we're in moonstone if you're interested. basically pair programming
[15:01] <natefinch> katco: cool, I'll pop in
[15:55] <katco> dooferlad: ping?
[15:57] <voidspace> katco: he emailed this morning saying he was still ill
[15:57] <katco> voidspace: ah sorry to hear that :( do you think it's OK if natefinch picks up bug 1537585 ?
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1537585: machine agent failed to register IP addresses, borks agent <2.0-count> <blocker> <landscape> <network> <juju-core:Triaged by dooferlad> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by dooferlad> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537585>
[15:57] <perrito666> wow, there is some virus affecting canonicalers
[15:58] <voidspace> katco: I don't believe he's started on it, so it should be fine
[15:59] <katco> voidspace: ok ta
[16:00] <katco> natefinch: can you ping someone in landscape to understand where they need the fix first? 1.25 or 2.0-beta8?
[16:01] <natefinch> katco: yep
[16:03] <katco> natefinch: ta
[16:06] <redir> fwereade: so you wanted two more tests there?
[16:06] <redir> in aggregate
[16:12] <fwereade> redir, I think we want tests that:
[16:12] <fwereade> redir, one request gets sent after suitable delay (done)
[16:13] <fwereade> redir, several requests in a short space of time get batched (done)
[16:13] <fwereade> fwereade, that advancing delay-time.Nanosecond and then killing causes all pending reqs to fail
[16:13] <fwereade> redir, sorry^
[16:13] <fwereade> brb
[16:13] <redir> np
[16:16] <fwereade> redir, and, that having sent/advanced/received one batch, you can send/advance/receive again and that works too
[16:17] <fwereade> redir, (and, in all above cases, checking that you've made the ListInstances calls you expect, once you've killed the worker)
[16:17] <fwereade> redir, also nice to do a test where ListInstances errors, and one where it returns some results + ErrPartialInstances
[16:18] <katco> fwereade: ty for taking the time to help redir
[16:18] <fwereade> katco, always a pleasure, seriously
[16:18] <fwereade> katco, it's one of the most useful things I can do
[16:18] <fwereade> katco, complain about concurrency horrors to me early, I will enjoy myself :)
[16:18] <fwereade> gtg
[16:32] <redir> tx fwereade
[16:32]  * fwereade back briefly
[16:32] <fwereade> redir, yw
[16:33] <fwereade> redir, (would you also separate the configs please? and test those too :))
[16:33] <redir> fwereade: affirmative
[16:33] <fwereade> redir, cheers
[17:34] <redir> bbiab
[17:36] <perrito666> Bbl
[17:56] <katco> ericsnow: hey got a bit to chat?
[17:56] <ericsnow> katco: sure
[18:45] <mup> Bug #1584170 opened: RFE - juju status <machine-number> should show all services inside it <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584170>
[19:03] <redir> oh, yeah. back.
[20:03] <mup> Bug #1584193 opened: juju deploy <bundle> is in a different from than jujucharms.com <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584193>
[20:19] <natefinch> sinzui: I'm trying to repo a bug, which might require maas. Does QA have a maas I could borrow?
[20:20] <sinzui> natefinch: you probably want the 1.9 which you cna use, but is often is heavy  use
[20:21] <natefinch> sinzui: yeah, 1.9 is what it was reported on
[20:21] <sinzui> natefinch: I will add your keys to the munna host
[20:21] <natefinch> sinzui: I just need like 2-3 machines that I can spam a bunch of containers onto
[20:21] <rick_h_> natefinch: how many machines do you need?
[20:22]  * natefinch points up one line ;)
[20:22] <rick_h_> natefinch: sorry get with bac and or jrwren for guimaas access and see if it works for you
[20:23] <natefinch> rick_h_: awesome, thanks :)
[20:25] <natefinch> sinzui: I may already be on munna
[20:27] <sinzui> natefinch: you weren't,  but you are now. I am sending you some ssh comfig for munna. maybe you used cloud-city in the past. that will still work
[20:28] <natefinch> sinzui: yes, I think so.  Thanks.
[20:30] <ericsnow> redir: FYI, I've got to take off a bit early
[20:30] <sinzui> natefinch: check your email
[20:36] <mup> Bug #1584212 opened: juju 2.0 doesn't allow to remove a cloud (juju remove-cloud) <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584212>
[20:48] <redir> no sweat ericsnow
[22:26] <fwereade> if anyone's around, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/4873/ is biggish but trivial (just moves + one test fix) and I'd love to get it on its way into master this weekend
[22:27] <fwereade> (probably better reviewed on github given RB's usual confusion re moves) ^^


[02:41] <troy_s> Seveas: how do you make the bot do a time conversion?
[04:31] <daniele123> hello
[04:41] <Seveas> troy_s, pytz :)
[12:25] <kwwii> anyone know jmaks email address?
[01:18] <ryanakca> kwwii: if you feel like looking way back in your emails<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:18] <ryanakca> that email should have it
[01:26] <kwwii> ryanakca: thanks :-)
[03:22] <bersace> ubotu: #1
[03:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi


[11:17] <jenda> sladen: ping
[11:18] <jenda> do you know anything about the current state of the UWN? I've got a guy asking for help, but can't offer any.


[00:23] <studio-user885> im having problems installing
[00:23] <studio-user885> and its worrying me because now ive lost my partitions and everything in failed attempts at making this work
[00:23] <studio-user885> i only made it worse
[00:23] <studio-user885> :(  Is anyone here
[00:24] <Len-nb> antivapor1, make a file with one command per line.
[00:24] <Len-nb> put #!/bin/bash as the first line
[00:25] <Len-nb> studio-user885, what have you tried?
[00:25] <studio-user885> i installed windows in another partition earlier, to dual boot for work purposes, and i was then not allowed to boot back into ubuntu studio, so i went and reinstalled ubuntu studio over the ubuntu studio partition, and expected it to reinstall the boot loader and all to be fine, and theres more
[00:26] <studio-user885> then it booted up into ubuntu studio with no graphics.  so i figured hey i got a backup, ill just reformat and reinstall ubuntu studio, and so i tried, and it corrupted my hard drive or something and now it gets stuck in the installation at making an ext4 filesystem
[00:27] <studio-user885> i hate the installation open now, and it is stuck at Creating ext4 file system for / in partition #2 of SCSI2 (0,0,0) (sda)...
[00:27] <Len-nb> I am not real good about dual boot with windows. But I think windows has to be done first
[00:28] <studio-user885> in the command line of that task it says (process:12240): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
[00:29] <Len-nb> you may find information with :
[00:29] <Len-nb> cat /var/log/syslog |tail
[00:29] <studio-user885> in terminal?
[00:29] <Len-nb> ya
[00:30] <studio-user885> ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ cat /var/log/syslog |tail May 18 21:20:18 ubuntu-studio ubiquity[5595]: switched to page usersetup May 18 21:20:27 ubuntu-studio ubiquity[5595]: debconffilter_done: ubi-usersetup (current: ubi-usersetup) May 18 21:20:27 ubuntu-studio ubiquity[5595]: Step_before = stepUserInfo May 18 21:20:29 ubuntu-studio ubiquity: rm:  May 18 21:20:29 ubuntu-studio ubiquity: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/ubiq
[00:31] <Len-nb> You will probably have to use the "something else" option to partition if you are not now.
[00:31] <studio-user885> I am
[00:31] <studio-user885> tried also using gparted to make a partition in ext4 filesystem prior to attempting to install
[00:31] <Len-nb> Good. I would say you will have to at least reboot so that casper can be rebuilt
[00:31] <studio-user885> I've tried rebooting multiple times
[00:31] <studio-user885> still does the same
[00:32] <Len-nb> ls -l /var/lib/ubi
[00:32] <studio-user885> that os prober cache is that something of concern do you think?
[00:32] <studio-user885> ubuntu-studio@ubuntu-studio:~$ ls -l /var/lib/ubi ls: cannot access /var/lib/ubi: No such file or directory
[00:33] <Len-nb> Are you installing from a USB stick, did you build it with persistence?
[00:33] <studio-user885> yes
[00:33] <studio-user885> to both
[00:34] <Len-nb> I would redo the USB stick with no persistence
[00:34] <studio-user885> ive used it before, i just installed, its 13.04, so i think a couple days ago i did this... since monday and it had worked
[00:34] <Len-nb> Any mistake that happens stays there over boots
[00:34] <studio-user885> ok.
[00:34] <studio-user885> so... its not a hard disk problem you dont think
[00:34] <studio-user885> ?
[00:34] <studio-user885> it did crash during installation at one point i think... or something on here crashed i saw the crash report
[00:35] <Len-nb> I don't think so I have never used persistence since the first time I had a similar problem
[00:35] <studio-user885> ok.
[00:35] <studio-user885> ok good stuff, i will try that
[00:35] <studio-user885> i hope it works
[00:35] <Len-nb> :)
[00:35] <studio-user885> because i need this up and running hah... its amazing how much windows breaks things
[00:35] <studio-user885> didnt expect to have this much trouble today.
[00:36] <Len-nb> Persistence is good for running but not installing
[00:36] <studio-user885> anyway, thank you for your help, and if it doesnt work i will be back later hah
[00:36] <studio-user885> oo
[00:36] <Len-nb> There should be someone around.
[00:36] <studio-user885> ok thank you have a good night
[00:36] <Len-nb> night
[01:02] <sery> sudo apt-get install libreoffice libreoffice-gtk
[01:02] <sery> [sudo] password for sery:
[01:02] <sery> Lecture des listes de paquets... Erreur !
[01:02] <sery> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[01:02] <sery> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_main_i18n_Translation-fr
[01:03] <sery> E: Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être analysés ou lus.
[01:04] <sery> c'est l'erreur que je rencontre quand je lance l'instructon d'instalation de libreoffice
[01:10] <sery> je rencontre cette erreur :
[01:10] <sery> sery@sery-HP-Pavilion-g6-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[01:10] <sery> Lecture des listes de paquets... Erreur !
[01:10] <sery> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[01:10] <sery> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/fr.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_main_i18n_Translation-fr
[01:10] <sery> E: Les listes de paquets ou le fichier « status » ne peuvent être analysés ou lus.
[01:13] <Unit193> !pastebin | sery
[01:13] <Unit193> sery: Try  sudo apt-get update   first.
[01:15] <sery> ok
[01:24] <sery> same error
[08:49] <kai> hi i'm trying put PD and I am experiencing this bug, where the X server crashes after typing 4 characters:  http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/90676
[08:49] <kai> I've just installed ubuntu studio 13.04 as well as pd-extended
[08:49] <kai> however i'm not sure if this was happening before I installed pd-extended
[08:51] <kai> perhaps i can downgrade to 12.04, i probably do not need the latest release.
[08:53] <smartboyhw_> kai: Hmm, X are headaches. But yeah, you don't need the latest release …
[08:54] <smartboyhw_> !xorg
[08:57] <kai> smartb: ok i will try the downgrade...
[10:47] <oslt> hello
[10:49] <oslt> Hello, need some help with jack and soundcard. Anybody there?
[10:58] <oslt> I can't get connected to my soundcard with jack.
[10:59] <oslt> I did a complete reinstallation and upgradet to ubuntustudio 13.04
[10:59] <oslt> First it was working. All of a sudden it ceased.
[10:59] <oslt> Sound is good without jack running.
[11:00] <oslt> With ubuntu 10.03 a ran at last into sound problems too.
[11:00] <oslt> I feel very frustrated with linux now, bit Windows is no alternative, even if it is much better with sound.
[11:00] <oslt> Can't remember any soundproblem there.
[11:02] <cfhowlett> oslt, if it WAS running, then either the equipment or configuration changed somehow ...
[11:06] <oslt> Re
[11:06] <oslt> cfhowlett: Sorry for being away.
[11:06] <oslt> cfhowlett: Could type into the window.
[11:07] <oslt> cfhowlett: Yes, but my insatllation is almost fresh.
[11:08] <oslt> cfhowlett: Just tried out musescore. Bytheway very good.
[11:08] <oslt> cfhowlett: Minutes before, I restarted with live cd.
[11:08] <oslt> And there was no sound too!!!
[11:09] <cfhowlett> oslt, laptop?desktop?  could the sound card have failed?
[11:10] <oslt> Desktop, I can listen to my own voice through usb mic, now.
[11:11] <oslt> cfhowlett: Means soundcard must be present.
[11:11] <oslt> Jack is running.
[11:12] <oslt> cfhowlett: But no playback with ardour.
[11:12] <oslt> cfhowlett: I guess soundcard not connected ...?
[11:12] <cfhowlett> oslt, kill all jack processes.  I'd bet your sound returns.
[11:13] <oslt> Yes
[11:13] <oslt> cfhowlett: yes
[11:13] <oslt> cfhowlett: What shoud I do next, next step?
[11:15] <cfhowlett> oslt, I'd suggest you terminal this sequence: ps -x | grep jack
[11:15] <oslt> I asked on #jack they sent me here
[11:15] <cfhowlett> oslt, that will ID the processes in use OR killall jack
[11:16] <oslt> Can't copy text in XChat, sorry
[11:16] <cfhowlett> oslt, no worries.  simple commands ...
[11:16] <oslt> But how to get the pipe?
[11:17] <oslt> Have it
[11:18] <oslt> Warnung: Schlechte ps–syntax, möglicherweise eine Fälschung »-«?
[11:18] <oslt> Siehe http://gitorious.org/procps/procps/blobs/master/Documentation/FAQ
[11:18] <oslt>  2901 ?        S      0:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/qjackctl
[11:18] <oslt>  2907 ?        SLl    0:10 /usr/lib/qjackctl/qjackctl.real
[11:18] <oslt>  2912 ?          I think killing all jack processes will enable normal sound channels.  * I think*
[11:26] <oslt> cfhowlett: I ended Jack control.
[11:26] <oslt> oslt@oslt-desktop:~$ ps -x | grep jack
[11:26] <oslt> Warnung: Schlechte ps–syntax, möglicherweise eine Fälschung »-«?
[11:26] <oslt> Siehe http://gitorious.org/procps/procps/blobs/master/Documentation/FAQ
[11:26] <oslt>  2912 ?        Ss     0:12 /usr/bin/jackdbus auto
[11:26] <oslt>  3611 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto jack
[11:26] <oslt> cfhowlett: okay?
[11:27] <cfhowlett> oslt, OK, play an mp3 or something to see if sound is available
[11:30] <oslt> cfhowlett: I am surprized, no sound.
[11:30] <oslt> cfhowlett: What is going on?
[11:31] <oslt> cfhowlett: no sound in vls
[11:31] <oslt> cfhowlett: no sound in video player
[11:32] <oslt> cfhowlett: Uff
[11:32] <cfhowlett> oslt, reboot.  if STILL silent, suspect your sound card ....
[11:32] <oslt> cfhowlett: Haven't had before.
[11:32] <oslt> cfhowlett: I do. CU Thanks meanwhile.
[11:40] <oslt> cfhowlett: Back again. Sound is working without Jack running.
[11:40] <oslt> cfhowlett: with jack: is not.
[11:41] <oslt> cfhowlett: No playback in ardour.
[11:41] <cfhowlett> oslt, normal.  jack seizes control of sound in/out when running.  once killed, sound goes back to normal routing. ...
[11:41] <oslt> cfhowlett: I know this phenomenon.
[11:42] <cfhowlett> oslt, and I don't know jack *!* enough to configure it properly.
[11:42] <oslt> cfhowlett: okay.
[11:42] <oslt> Seems to have something to do with pulseaudio.
[11:43] <oslt> cfhowlett: I think pulseaudio can't fetch the soundcard in jack.
[11:43] <oslt> cfhowlett: Is there any possibility to clear what pulseaudio is connected to at the moment?
[11:44] <oslt> cfhowlett: I thin sound production is the only argument to install ubuntustudio, isn't it?
[11:45] <oslt> cfhowlett: in #jack no help either.
[11:45] <cfhowlett> oslt, last question first; Ustudio has a suite of audio/video/graphic/photographic packages.  not just sound
[11:45] <oslt> cfhowlett: say ask #ubuntustudio
[11:46] <oslt> cfhowlett: hehe
[11:46] <cfhowlett> oslt, pulse/jack is over my head.  but your situation is quite common.  ask in channel.  someone can probably guide you much better than I can
[11:46] <cfhowlett> ask #ubuntustudio
[11:46] <oslt> cfhowlett: I love making music a lot.
[11:46] <cfhowlett> !ubuntustudio
[11:47] <oslt> cfhowlett: got depressive meanwhile. Comit suicide then ;-)
[11:47] <cfhowlett> oslt, dang.  I thought we had fixed that factoid.  gotta let the ops know that it's WAY outdated.
[11:47] <cfhowlett> oslt, don't give up.  also check the forums.
[11:48] <oslt> cfhowlett: You are right. But audio is a big chellenge for Linux.
[11:48] <oslt> cfhowlett: Rest is playing around, my opinion.
[11:48] <cfhowlett> oslt, no doubt.
[11:49] <jarnos> Is this bug a big problem between core components of ubuntu studio? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1163638
[11:49] <cfhowlett> jarnos, seems related ...
[11:49] <oslt> cfhowlett: I checked the forums a lot. Guess I have to learn Chinese to understand the odd behaviour of ubuntustudio.
[11:51] <oslt> jarnos: Belongs to my problem no sound with pulseaudio and jack?
[11:51] <cfhowlett> oslt, as I'm in China now, I can only say: Dear God, I HOPE it doesn't come to that!  Naturally, I do NOT speak chinese
[11:51] <oslt> cfhowlett: Love you for this dialogue.
[11:52] <cfhowlett> oslt, each one teach one ...
[11:53] <oslt> Seems that I have to disable pulseaudio.
[11:53] <oslt> cfhowlett: How to do that?
[11:54] <cfhowlett> oslt, as I said, over my head.  someone will know.
[11:54] <cfhowlett> !pulseaudio
[11:54] <oslt> cfhowlett: Sorry you told me about jack.
[11:54] <oslt> cfhowlett: Didn't know about you not knowing sound issues at all.
[11:55] <oslt> cfhowlett: But thank you.
[11:55] <oslt> jarnos: I use jack and there is pulseaudiosink and so on. Is this bug contributing to my playback problem?
[11:56] <cfhowlett> oslt, my sound exposures begins and ends with audacity.  no need for the deeper techniques ...
[11:56] <jarnos> oslt, maybe.
[11:56] <oslt> cfhowlett: God, how I really do envy you. Will start painting, end the audio fuck.
[11:56] <oslt> cfhowlett: Better deaf than blind, isn't it?
[11:57] <cfhowlett> oslt, one might say.  best of luck.
[11:57] <jarnos> oslt, why do you think sound it big challenge for Linux?
[11:58] <oslt> jarnos: I think since I startet to work with linux five years ago, I spent one year with trying get jack working.
[11:59] <jarnos> oslt, ahaa
[11:59] <oslt> jarnos: one week before I was told by a jack developer, to get rid off ubuntu 10.04 because eol.
[12:00] <oslt> jarnos: and because of running into similar problems with sound.
[12:00] <jarnos> oslt, yes, maybe pulseaudio and jack work better in later releases. I have not experience of using jack.
[12:00] <oslt> cfhowlett: So I did, copying user data, reimplementing applications.
[12:01] <oslt> cghowlett: sorry
[12:01] <oslt> jarnos: and then today in the morning sound vanished for ever with jack again.
[12:01] <cfhowlett> oslt, as Sam L. Jackson would say: ENGLISH!@
[12:02] <oslt> jarnos: Don't you think audio production is a big chellenge for linux
[12:02] <oslt> jarnos: Considering that even special distris are not able to provide working solutions?
[12:03] <oslt> cfhowlett: I don't understand, is my English very bad? :-(
[12:04] <oslt> jarnos: Thank you for talking to me.
[12:04] <cfhowlett> oslt, I was slyly commenting on the tech-jargon what was so far over my head.  Just ignore me.
[12:04] <oslt> I say hello meanwhile.
[12:05] <oslt> Seems that at the moment nobody here, that has similar problems solved.
[12:13] <jarnos> oslt, so have you tried the latest release?
[12:14] <oslt> Yes 13.04
[12:18] <oslt> jarnos: I had tried from live cd, everythin seemed to be perfect. Even jack and ardour.
[12:18] <oslt> jarnos: Something happened, even thoug I didn't mess around.
[12:19] <oslt> jarnos: it is honeymoon for me and my new ubuntu studio.
[12:22] <jarnos> oslt, strange, usually things work better than from live cd.
[12:22] <oslt> oslt: hihi :-(
[12:26] <oslt> jarnos: I read: If the dbus option is checked in Qjackctl (Jack Control) setup, it should work without any other tweak
[12:27] <oslt> jarnos: Can't find DBus option where is it?
[12:27] <oslt> Sorry, I wanted to type in #jack
[13:30] <oslt> Before: Sun May 19 15:27:53 2013: [1m[31mERROR: Failed to acquire device name : Audio2 error : A handler is already registered for /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio2[0m
[18:02] <siegfriednamyslo> s
[18:03] <siegfriednamyslo> jerrymias
[20:18] <nick> hey
[20:19] <Guest64938> there was a Len-NB or something like that on last night who helped me with isntalling ubuntu studio... it was a damaged usb drive (i knew it worked before because i installed last week)... wanted to thank him
[23:29] <MaynardWaters> hello, I have a 12.04 LTS install on an external HD, and I have moved it to a old ibm thinkpad
[23:29] <MaynardWaters> it lets me log in using my normal password
[23:29] <MaynardWaters> then once I am logged in, the numbers that are associated with letters take over rather than the letters
[23:30] <MaynardWaters> so i know thats the problem involves the numlock key, but im not sure how to fix it
[23:30] <len-1310>  :)
[23:32] <len-1310> Hmm, settings->keyboard works on a session basis. There is a system default too.
[23:32] <len-1310> MaynardWaters, do you know where the numlock key is for your thinkpad?
[23:33] <len-1310> Does that fix your problem (till next login)


[22:46] <Obi1> i try on Linux  chat but i was geting  Cannot send to channel: ##linux
[22:46] <juki> Bruce_: look at the bottom of the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:46] <guest__> juki - give me a second.  I will see if it exists...
[22:47] <Bruce_> juki: I don't have a file.
[22:47] <juki> check again bruce
[22:47] <Bruce_> juki: where might I find this?
[22:48] <juki> Bruce_: open a text editor and open the sources.list filie in the /etc/apt folder
[22:48] <FinnTheMew> Go to "Software Sources" in the update window
[22:48] <loki_> hello, can i change package sources from 10.10 to 10.04 for server?
[22:48] <mediawork> hi
[22:49] <jrib> loa: why do you want to do that?
[22:49] <mediawork> I just lost a couple of directories on my desktop,
[22:49] <sixcorners> hdon: check man gvfs
[22:49] <hdon> sixcorners, thanks i didn't think of that
[22:49] <mediawork> I had trouble mounting the filesystem yesterday, no appernt reason
[22:49] <hdon> err... that sounded sarcastic sixcorners but it wasn't meant that way
[22:49] <sixcorners> it's fine
[22:49] <mediawork> I asked ubuntu to try to repair the problem
[22:49] <bl4ckdu5t> Is there a package in the apt that I can use to download GTK+ and all its dependencies
[22:50] <mediawork> and it kinda did, but a couple of directories I had been using the day before were gone
[22:50] <bl4ckdu5t> I feel it's stressful following the steps on GTK websites
[22:50] <loa> jrib, becouse 10.10 is now trash, it don't supported
[22:50] <hdon> sixcorners, could you dpkg -L that man file? i don't have it installed it seems
[22:50] <hdon> sorry dpkg -S
[22:50] <bl4ckdu5t> * -s
[22:50] <loa> but i need install some packages
[22:50] <jrib> loa: upgrade to 12.04
[22:50] <loa> jrib, ^^
[22:50] <Obi1> i need a IP blocker any1 have idea what is he best one
[22:50] <mediawork> also I know find... some strange files in my root,   /initrd.img and vmlinuz... in my root?!?
[22:50] <loa> jrib, i don't think it will go smooth
[22:50] <jrib> Obi1: you want to know how to use the firewall?
[22:50] <jrib> loa: you have backups.
[22:50] <juki> mediawork: that is your kernel
[22:50] <Obi1> not on Linux
[22:50] <loa> jrib, only www and database
[22:51] <loa> but i don't want update or reinstall)
[22:51] <juki> those files are supposed to be there, if you delete them, stuffz won't workz
[22:51] <loa> i just want install few apps)
[22:51] <hdon> loa, you really should update :\ it's not hard
[22:51] <mediawork> juki,  I thought the kernel is under /booty
[22:51] <jrib> loa: that leaves you with one option: stay on an  unsupported release (I do not suggest this)
[22:51] <mediawork> juki,  I thought the kernel is under /boot
[22:51] <mediawork> juki,  not under /
[22:51] <loa> =/
[22:52] <loa> and there no way to install apps for 10.10?
[22:52] <loa> they are all deleted?
[22:52] <mediawork> but anyway, it seems those files were generated more than a week ago
[22:52] <juki> those two files are necessary, maybe they hand off the root drive to the kernel or something
[22:52] <mediawork> so thats not it.
[22:52] <jrib> loa: upgrade to a supported release.
[22:52] <jrib> loa: why are you even contemplating staying on an unsupported release?
[22:52] <zerick>  which is the equivalent or similar tool for MS Project ?
[22:52] <juki> you can delete them to see if they are necessary or not mediawork, and then let us know when you get your OS reinstalled because it won't boot anymore
[22:52] <sixcorners> hdon it says it's used by nautilus.. http://manned.org/gvfsd-metadata.1
[22:53] <mediawork> juki, thanks
[22:53] <guest__> juki - yes, /etc/X11/default-display-manager exists.  What should I do?
[22:53] <jrib> !eolupgrade | loa
[22:53] <mediawork> juki,  ok those symbolic links it seems
[22:53] <upd> zerick, planner
[22:53] <mediawork> juki, not the problem...
[22:53] <juki> what does the line in there say guest__?
[22:53] <hdon> sixcorners, weird.. i do have that installed. i'm on 12.04 though
[22:53] <mediawork> juki, somehow ubuntu 13 with ext4 lost my files, really hasnt happended to me before..
[22:54] <hdon> mediawork, :o
[22:54] <guest__> juki - /usr//bin/kdm
[22:54] <hdon> mediawork, could you elaborate?
[22:54] <juki> change kdm to gdm and save guest__, that will put you back in gnome
[22:54] <hdon> fwiw having broken symbolic links does not mean files got lost
[22:54] <upd> zerick, also check openproj
[22:54] <mediawork> hdon,   ok so I was working on rendering some files... the other day,  loads of images stored in a folder, maybe about ehm. few gigs.
[22:55] <mediawork> hdon, I then turned off my computer successfully yesterday morning
[22:55] <sixcorners> hdon: how big is ~/.local/share/gvfs-metadata
[22:55] <mediawork> hdon,  then I start my computer in the evening
[22:55] <juki> when you reboot guest__ it should put you back in gnome assuming you didn't uninstall gdm when you installed kde
[22:55] <sixcorners> I'm reading from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1421580
[22:55] <hdon> mediawork, fwiw if you have very large files you may want to use another fs. i've found jfs (this was years ago though, as compared to ext3) and jfs was much better performance.
[22:55] <mediawork> hdon,   it has problems booting,  and asks if it should repair the problem...
[22:55] <mediawork> hdon,  I ask ubuntu to repair
[22:55] <mediawork> "try to fix " I think it said
[22:55] <juki> mediawork: what did you do that you think lost your files?
[22:56] <mediawork> hdon, juki ,  I think after I allowed ubuntu boot process to fix the file registry,  the folders I had been working in lately were completely lost
[22:56] <loa> jrib, so there no up repositories for 10.10?
[22:56] <juki> registry? what are we workgroup for linux 3.11?
[22:57] <guest__> I don't think so.  How do I check if gdm was not deleted?  I downloaded and installed the FULL KDE desktop environment package.
[22:57] <loa> and i 100% need to upgrade to install something new?
[22:57] <mediawork> hdon, juki,  but no warning or message from the boot process that this was the risk
[22:57] <hdon> sixcorners, pretty small... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3099180
[22:57] <jrib> loa: there are.  They are there to allow you to upgrade to the next release (until you get to a supported release).  Ubottu's link tells you about them
[22:57] <jrib> loa: you need to upgrade to get on a supported release.  You aren't receiving security updates.
[22:58] <hdon> mediawork, were they all in the same directory?
[22:58] <loa> jrib, ok, i will read, thank you.
[22:58] <mediawork> hdon, juki ,  well I dont know what it was fixing... it would you like to have ubuntu try to fix the problem...
[22:58] <mediawork> hdon, yes
[22:58] <mediawork> hdon, same directory and subdirectories
[22:58] <hdon> mediawork, is the directory empty? what is the full path to the directory?
[22:58] <juki> can you give us any more info on what it was attempting to fix, "the registry" doesn't sound correct... and when in the boot process did it ask that?
[22:59] <mediawork> hdon,   /home/mediawork/Desktop/Scenes1Jul13/
[22:59] <hdon> mediawork, can you share the output of the command "df path/to/the/directory"
[22:59] <hdon> mediawork, do you have an encrypted home directory?
[22:59] <mediawork> juki,  when attempting to mount the /home device I seem to recall
[22:59] <yhwh> holy twitter! is it possible to change the background color in smuxi? i'm blinded by the whiteness of this white!!
[22:59] <juki> maybe fstab got borked?
[23:00] <mediawork> hdon,  I do not
[23:00] <hdon> mediawork, are other files in your home directory unharmed?
[23:00] <hdon> mediawork, please share the output of df  /home/mediawork/Desktop/Scenes1Jul13/ and mount commands
[23:00] <mediawork> hdon,  Im not quite sure yet, but other directories did go.. such as   ~/.blender/
[23:00] <mediawork> ?
[23:00] <mediawork> ok I will run the command
[23:01] <juki> possible hardware failure
[23:01] <hdon> mediawork, did your desktop environment look at all different when you logged in? (also which version of ubuntu are you using?)
[23:01] <mediawork> hdon,  no not different except for missing folders.
[23:02] <mediawork> hdon, using 13.04.. unless I updated. not sure
[23:02] <juki> i've also seen those errors when recloning a partition, things get confused.. doesn't sound like he would be recloning a partition image though
[23:02] <juki> hdon: post the output?
[23:02] <hdon> mediawork, your situation doesn't sound completely unlike failing to mount an encrypted home directory, however there are some extra things that are not necessarily a part of such experience
[23:02] <hdon> juki, did you mean mediawork?
[23:02] <juki> yes i did
[23:03] <mediawork> yes wait what was the command
[23:03] <mediawork> df
[23:03] <juki> mount
[23:03] <hdon> mediawork, df  /home/mediawork/Desktop/Scenes1Jul13/ ; mount commands
[23:03] <juki> and df /home/username
[23:03] <mediawork> hdon, juki :   No such file or directory
[23:04] <hdon> mediawork, ah, of course, this directory is the one that is missing
[23:04] <mediawork> Filesystem     1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[23:04] <mediawork> /dev/sda5      814233696 623062432 149803868  81% /home
[23:04] <hdon> mediawork, how did you recall the path exactly? from memory?
[23:04] <loa> jrib, i little in fear that i will not can reboot after update (
[23:04] <mediawork> above is for the /home/mediawork/
[23:04] <loa> of wrong settings for network (
[23:04] <Console> Just a general question out there, which IRC clients do you usually use on ubuntu? I'm on XChat right now and it seems as it's not being updated at all
[23:04] <loa> there no just method to replace my repos with working one?
[23:04] <hdon> juki, is his output from df /home/mediawork what you would get if the encrypted home hadn't been mounted?
[23:05] <juki> mediawork: "mount /dev/sda5 /mnt && ls /mnt" and share the output
[23:05] <jrib> loa: this is why you have backups.  Worst case scenario, you can do a fresh install of 12.04.  In fact a fresh install will likely be much easier and faster than upgrading
[23:05] <hdon> it seems like it would be
[23:05] <hdon> mediawork, you may want to use http://pastebin.mozilla.org/ to share large amounts of information
[23:05] <hdon> as in more than one line of information
[23:05] <loa> jrib, it is so good to do something with working installation (
[23:06] <mediawork> [sudo] password for mediawork:
[23:06] <mediawork> guest  hrob  hrobjartur  hrobt  hroi  ht  jwh  lost+found  mediawork  vfxwork
[23:06] <juki> "ls /mnt/mediawork/Desktop" mediawork
[23:06] <hdon> juki, the df command showed it wasn't in there. it is mounted already to /home right?
[23:07] <mediawork> mediawork@ht-desktop:~$ ls /mnt/mediawork/Desktop/
[23:07] <mediawork> Basket                  HDR_IBL_Demo.png     test2.png
[23:07] <mediawork> BitvinciShort10minTuts  reflectionbump.png   test3.png
[23:07] <mediawork> Footage18Aug13          Scenes1Jul13_v1.zip  test.png
[23:07] <mediawork> Footage1Jul13           Scenes1Jul13_v2.zip  Untitled Folder
[23:07] <FloodBot1> mediawork: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:07] <mediawork> FootageAnalysis         test1.ogv
[23:07] <hdon> mediawork, please use paste.ubuntu.com to share long information
[23:07] <mediawork> ok
[23:07] <juki> my bad, I see now
[23:07] <juki> thought maybe it wasn't mounted correctly
[23:08] <juki> still missing things from the Desktop folder mediawork?
[23:08] <mediawork> yes, this mount looks the same
[23:08] <hdon> mediawork, you can umount /mnt
[23:08] <juki> ok, umount /mnt"
[23:08] <mediawork> juki,  interestingly one of the folders also missing from the Desktop  was a network shared folder called  Share
[23:08] <mediawork> not sure if that is relevant
[23:09] <Siecje> If audio is playing and I press alt+tab the sound skips
[23:09] <hdon> mediawork, you mean a directory that you shared on the network with samba?
[23:09] <juki> nothing unexpectedly showed up in the lost+found folder did it?
[23:09] <hdon> Siecje, could you tell us about your cpu? cat /proc/cpuinfo if you don't know
[23:09] <mediawork> hdon,  yes, I believe it was samba .
[23:10] <mediawork> hdon,  I kinda just followed the instructions when right clicking and setting up share on the folder
[23:10] <hdon> can a samba client remove a directory being shared?
[23:10] <mediawork> hdon,  Im using gnome shell
[23:10] <juki> could if it had rw access i think
[23:11] <hdon> mediawork, *nod*
[23:11] <Siecje> hdon: https://dpaste.de/a1KAd/
[23:11] <mediawork> hdon, juki,  are there any old boot logs somewhere ?
[23:12] <mediawork> hdon, juki under var log perhaps.
[23:12] <mediawork> ?
[23:12] <juki> var/log
[23:12] <hdon> Siecje, well that shouldn't be the problem. you may want to try the indicator-multiload package to get a clearer picture of resource utilization when this occurs, which may help narrow down the problem
[23:12] <juki>  dmesg maybe?
[23:13] <hdon> mediawork, you may want to ask about filesystem diagnostics in #linux
[23:13] <hdon> someone might know how to access journaling info for ext4 iiuc
[23:13] <hdon> please share your results with us :)
[23:13] <hdon> one last thing though mediawork
[23:13] <sixcorners> juke: I guess there was no xorg.conf.. ran nvidia-xconfig.. rebooted.. and am now waiting for a crash.. hasn't happened yet
[23:13] <hdon> i noticed a zip file that had the same name as your directory
[23:14] <hdon> is it possible you ran a command or used a program that turned your directory into the zip file and removed the directory?
[23:14] <mediawork> hdon,  that is an old backup of the directory :S
[23:14] <juki> sixcorners: xorg.conf isn't really used anymore unless you make one
[23:14] <x3maniac> hi is there any drivers i need to install to get a usb2.0 port to run a usb 3.0 hub?
[23:14] <hdon> sixcorners, the new x config ways are a mystery to me as well
[23:14] <mediawork> hdon, it was created 1. august :)
[23:14] <mediawork> so no not possible
[23:14] <hdon> mediawork, ah ok, just a thought :)
[23:14] <sixcorners> juke: well.. then I hope the one I just generated is better then the one it didn't use before..
[23:15] <sixcorners> thanks for the help and stuff
[23:15] <sixcorners> oops.. meant to type juki..
[23:15] <mediawork> under /var/log/upstart/  there are many logs... do these have to do with the boot process?
[23:15] <juki> i saw it, any xorg.conf will override the default settings.. if you created one and things are working... good stuff sixcorners
[23:15] <guest__> I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 and have KDE4 installed.   How do I change back to the Gnome/Unity login screen?
[23:16] <mediawork> juki, hdon,   btw.  is my filesystem encrypted?
[23:16] <juki> sixcorners: you can probably use the tab key to auto-complete user names in case you didn't know
[23:16] <hdon> mediawork, almost certainly not
[23:16] <juki> haha
[23:16] <hdon> not by accident
[23:16] <hdon> since it's /home
[23:16] <mediawork> good
[23:16] <sixcorners> juki: it's such a small and easy to type name though
[23:16] <juki> the installer asks if you want to encrypt the home directory, sounds enticing when you install and maybe he forgot?
[23:16] <Siecje> I'm having issues with Skype crashing on Ubuntu 12.04
[23:16] <Siecje> 13.04*
[23:17] <mediawork> juki,  I recall I did not ask for the encryption option
[23:17] <juki> Siecje: start skype from a terminal window and see if it tells you anything useful when it crashes
[23:17] <juki> okay mediawork, good to know
[23:18] <fission6> how do i add $(__git_ps1) to my prompt
[23:18] <guest__> juki - I went into /usr/etc/x11/default-display-manager and changed the line from /usr/bin/kdm to say /usr/bin/gdm.  Logged out and the KDE4 login screen still appears.
[23:18] <hdon> mediawork, jsut to be share, pleas share the output of this command: find /home/.ecryptfs
[23:18] <juki> Siecje: has it ever worked correctly? do you remember changing anything since it's started crashing?
[23:19] <juki> guest__: you need admin rights to save the file... are you sure that the change took?
[23:19] <mediawork> hdon,  find: `/home/.ecryptfs': No such file or directory
[23:19] <Siecje> juki: I have installed thing but that's about it
[23:19] <hdon> mediawork, ok, no encrypted filesystems :)
[23:19] <mediawork> hdon,  there are so many logs under var log, I dont know where to start... can I grep out something?
[23:19] <juki> so you're saying it has worked previously Siecje? what did you install?
[23:19] <hdon> mediawork, i'd ask in #linux
[23:19] <mediawork> hdon,   maybe grep repair?
[23:19] <mediawork> ok
[23:20] <hdon> mediawork, tell them you might have encountered an ext4 failure. lost directories.
[23:21] <guest__> juki - In the terminal I typed "sudo gedit /etc/default-display-manager".  I changed the line at the end to gdm and saved the file.  Logged out and the KDE4 login screen still appears.
[23:22] <juki> guest__: somewhere in the login screen there is a dropdown/button to click on that askes which display manager to use, choose gdm instead of kdm.. or maybe you need a "sudo restart gdm"
[23:22] <cruzader> anyone knows how to work around the facebook bug in empathy?
[23:25] <guest__> juki - I typed "sudo restart gdm" and typed in my password.  The terminal responds with restart: Unknown job: gdm.
[23:32] <juki> ohh, maybe it's "sure restart lightdm"
[23:32] <juki> sudo restart lightdm
[23:32] <darkkblack> anyone available for advice about ubuntu install?
[23:33] <hdon> darkkblack, what do you want to know?
[23:33] <hdon> loadid_czech, "sure restart lightdm" lol :P
[23:34] <darkkblack> having a problem with keyboard freeze up during installation at the account setup/password screen
[23:34] <darkkblack> wonder if there is a way to create an account with the terminal
[23:34] <loadid_czech> broken leg meds feel nicely
[23:34] <loadid_czech> wait.. whutdaafk?
[23:35] <loadid_czech> darkkblack: adduser
[23:35] <darkkblack> aiight loadid_czech ima google that real quick
[23:37] <dougiel> how do I disable my 13.04 from needing my wallet password all the time?
[23:37] <dougiel> if I am logged in I just want to have access to the wallet.
[23:38] <loadid_czech> you can set a time limit on it dougiel
[23:41] <dougiel> thank you loadid_czech - it's not that it keeps asking me during my sessions as much as I need 2 passwords to fire up the machine... one to log in and one for the wallet - I don't even like punching in a password once let alone twice.
[23:46] <loadid_czech> you could disable the wallet dougiel
[23:46] <loadid_czech> and you can autologin too dougiel
[23:49] <Dr_ST> hi folks
[23:50] <Dr_ST> just a short question about apparmor, anyone knows if I can prevent a script to output its content to a file using apparmor ?
[23:54] <dougiel> loadid_czech, if I disable the wallet will I be able to re enable it and not lose any of the saved data... the wallet is what remembers all my passwords for sites and networks right?
[23:55] <loadid_czech> not sure about the losing data, I don't imagine it would erase anything by disabling it but i'm not 100% on that... yes, I think it does remember passwords for you
[23:55] <loadid_czech> I don't use the wallet, I just know how to disable it
[23:55] <Console> hahaha
[23:56] <dougiel> loadid_czech, thank you for your help... I will disable it and play around with it... remind me tomorrow to let you know what I learned (cannot reboot at the moment)
[23:57] <loadid_czech> sadly, my linux wallet stays empty... strangly resembles IRL
[23:57] <dougiel> LOL
[23:57] <dougiel> I have the same problem.
[23:59] <ggherdov> hello. a "debian package" and a "ubuntu package" are exactly the same thing, correct?
[23:59] <ggherdov> I mean: if I want to write a package for ubuntu I'll find all the info in debian tutorials ?


[07:03] <mapreri> cjwatson: :)
[20:28] <yofel> Hi, what would be an appropriate workaround for the python crash in the recipe builds of https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/+recipe/kubuntu-kdelibs-stable ? (http://paste.kde.org/791636/)
[20:28] <yofel> Seems like the buildd's are running a far too old python version than bzr dailydeb needs