[21:54] <MTecknology> nhandler: how've you been?
[21:54] <nhandler> MTecknology: Fine. Just a bit busy.
[21:56] <MTecknology> nhandler: better than doing nothing, right?
[21:56] <MTecknology> granted lately I've felt that would be a good idea
[23:49] <cjohnston> newz2000: if your around could you please comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/623614
[23:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 623614 in ubuntu-website "Main download URL is hard to share (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]


[11:48] <dcordes> rsalveti: I just found your lp bug with the fix for thumb2 crash on webm content
[11:48] <dcordes> rsalveti: been looking for a solution to this for a while
[11:48] <dcordes> rsalveti: I am wondering if we can make it available in the natty updates
[11:49] <dcordes> rsalveti: I know many ppl who run natty on ARM tablets etc. and it would be nice to get webm on all these images floating around on the net
[18:26] <bkerensa> GrueMaster: Hi
[18:26] <bkerensa> :D
[19:14] <jo-erlend> I'm downloading 10.04 Netbook live image since it says it's for OMAP3 devices and I have an IGEPv2 OMAP3. But how do I use it? Can I just dd it onto the memory card and boot?
[19:15] <jo-erlend> and if so... Is there an image for oneiric as well?
[19:15] <GrueMaster> jo-erlend: You would be better off with the 11.04 image as the omap3 kernel there covers more hw.  The 10.04 was a tech preview only for Beagle.
[19:16] <jo-erlend> oh, ok... I think I remember that, now that you mention it.
[19:16] <jo-erlend> I'd really prefer oneiric, if there is an image for it?
[19:16] <GrueMaster> And yes, dd is how you write to an SD.  Instructions are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM
[19:17] <jo-erlend> I can't find an image for 11.04 either. That's why I started to download 10.04.
[19:17] <GrueMaster> The last released image for Oneiric was Alpha 3, but Beta 1 release testing begins tomorrow with release on Thursday.
[19:18] <jo-erlend> there's no daily image?
[19:18] <GrueMaster> It is now under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled.  It more closely matches the x86 desktop, so we dropped the netbook name.
[19:18] <jo-erlend> ah.
[19:19] <jo-erlend> I suppose upgrading from a3 to b1 will take quite some time on an OMAP3?
[19:20] <GrueMaster> Possibly.  But if you grab the daily-preinstalled/current, it won't be as bad.
[19:20] <jo-erlend> where can I find that?
[19:20] <jo-erlend> ah.. :)
[19:21] <jo-erlend> I found it. :)
[19:21] <jo-erlend> will I still have to compile a kernel, etc, or should it just work?
[19:21] <GrueMaster> I have to run.  It's my day off, so massive yard work is commencing.  Need to get a load of gravel before they close.
[19:21] <GrueMaster> I don't know how much support for iegp2 you can expect.
[19:21] <jo-erlend> oh... Have fun and thanks for helping :)
[19:22] <jo-erlend> GrueMaster, I'll let you know then :)
[19:22] <GrueMaster> Good luck.
[19:22] <jo-erlend> thanks. :)
[20:16] <jo-erlend> now I remember. The IGEPv2 doesn't boot from boot.scr. I think it uses some kind of ini-file.
[20:19] <infinity> jo-erlend: Assuming our uBoot and xLoader work on igepv2, you might just be able to cp boot.scr boot.ini and be done.
[20:20] <infinity> jo-erlend: If not, you might been the uBoot and xLoader from here, and have to re-create the boot image: http://labs.igep.es/index.php/How_to_get_the_Ubuntu_distribution
[20:23] <jo-erlend> infinity, it's only for 10.10 though.
[20:24] <infinity> Those old bootloaders would still work with our newer kernels.  But, there's a fair chance our current bootloaders might Just Work anyway, if you rename boot.scr.
[20:24] <infinity> I can't say for sure, since I've never had a chance to play with an IGEPv2 board.
[20:28] <jo-erlend> infinity, I had a brief look at the boot.scr file from the Ubuntu image. It seems to be configured for a resolution my monitor doesn't support. How do I change it?
[20:33] <infinity> jo-erlend: Is it using omapfb.mode=dvi:?? notation?
[20:34] <jo-erlend> infinity, I think so. I don't really know what that means.
[20:34] <jo-erlend> that's what it looks like in the boot.scr file.
[20:34] <infinity> If so, something like omapfb.mode=dvi:1024x768MR-16@60 might work on your older monitor.
[20:34] <jo-erlend> yes, but how do I make that into a valid boot.ini file?
[20:35] <infinity> Just copy boot.scr to boot.ini, and edit the command line.
[20:35] <jo-erlend> what command line? I have no screen.
[20:35] <infinity> boot.ini is the same format as boot.scr, just a different filename to be difficult. :P
[20:35] <infinity> Err.   But is it just a text file?
[20:36] <infinity> Yes.
[20:36] <infinity> Well, ish.  Some implementations have a whacky hex header.
[20:36] <infinity> But if you edit in something like vim, it will happily just leave that alone.
[20:36] <jo-erlend> it can't be opened in gedit.
[20:37] <jo-erlend> oh, ok.
[20:38]  * infinity wanders off to have a Sunday.
[20:38] <infinity> Good luck. :)
[20:40] <jo-erlend> :)
[20:40] <jo-erlend> doesn't seem to want to boot.
[20:40] <jo-erlend> perhaps I'll just have to use 10.10 and then upgrade and upgrade and upgrade :)
[20:42] <jo-erlend> I don't understand why they don't just make an image and make it available.
[20:42] <jo-erlend> the last time I wanted to boot that thing, I spent a week getting it to start.
[20:46] <jo-erlend> is it normal for these kinds of ARM boards to require so much labor in order to boot?
[20:46] <jo-erlend> heh.. I mean.. Installing Ubuntu on my laptop takes about 15 minutes. Installing it on ARM takes about 15 days. :)


[20:24] <micahg> charlie-tca: are you back?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> sort of
[20:24] <charlie-tca> I guess I am in and out right now
[20:25] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I wanted to poke you about bugs targeted to 10.04.2
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Okiedokey
[20:26] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/577043
[20:27] <charlie-tca> is milestoned for 10.04.2 by pitti
[20:27] <micahg> charlie-tca: I thought that openoffice wasn't on the xubuntu CD
[20:28] <charlie-tca> it isn't, but the user installed it
[20:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: we don't have to worry about it then, that's for the -desktop team
[20:28] <charlie-tca> I went through over 100 bugs against lucid, and found that one
[20:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: I'm more concerned about the apps on the CD that will be on the images that are spun
[20:28] <charlie-tca> The only question in my mind is whether or not goffice will get updated on the cd
[20:28] <micahg> charlie-tca: what do you mean updated?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> There was a new version after lucid came out
[20:29] <micahg> we don't update stable releases unless there's an exception
[20:30] <charlie-tca> But out of all the bugs filed, nothing appears critical to the update, they have all been fixed, so cutting the new image will have them
[20:31] <charlie-tca> We apply 257 upgrades after a person installs 10.04 now, for 246MB of archives
[20:33] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, great, thanks
[20:33] <charlie-tca> thank you for checking
[20:33] <micahg> np
[21:29] <charlie-tca> micahg: what about updated docs?
[21:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: is that on the CD?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> yup, since they are available when using the live cd
[21:30] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, we should get that in by 1/20 then
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I know Daniel been trying to get them done, I will check with him on status


[00:00] <LjL> nickrud, dejavu renders the message from ubotu like this: YYYNNYYNY
[00:00] <Dave2> \win 415
[00:00] <Amaranth> all those show up fine here
[00:00] <Dave2> bleh *stabs compose*
[00:00] <Amaranth> then again i'm using Lucida Grande from OS X :P
[00:00] <LjL> Amaranth: really, what font?
[00:00] <LjL> ah
[00:01] <PriceChild> That's just ridiculous.
[00:01] <LjL> PriceChild: what, dave?
[00:01] <nalioth> ubotu: test
[00:01] <PriceChild> mhmm
[00:01] <LjL> nalioth: it's muted

[00:01] <LjL> anyway yes, right now it works
[00:01] <nalioth> how are we supposed to know anythign if it's muted in here?
[00:01] <LjL> but it'll just stop in a quarter hour, wanna bet?
[00:02] <LjL> nalioth, i think it's pretty clear it's not going to come back up properly without the intervention of seveas, without testing very much
[00:05] <sudobash> i am trying to help this complete classroom by myself if anyone wants to just take a peek in edubuntu and give some input...
[00:16] <sudobash> please?
[00:18] <PriceChild> sudobash: this channel is for operator/abuse questions.
[00:22] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: basically wrt hosting I was wondering what pros/cons you'd found and if you had a recommendation.
[00:23] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i'm using linode, and like it.
[00:23] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: but tha'ts a VPS, so it's not shared hosting
[00:23] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Could you explain the difference between shared, VPS, dedicated, and whatever crazy terms are out there?
[00:25] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: shared:  no root access, resources shared.  vps: own resources in terms of ram, disk space, etc, shared cpu.  dedicated:  own box in data centre, with only you on it.
[00:26] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: so VPS is probably VMs I take it?
[00:26] <jdong> tonyyarusso: right, or Xen
[00:26] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: xen-based, usually
[00:26] <tonyyarusso> How is Xen different?
[00:26] <jdong> tonyyarusso: you get the appearance of being on your own box with root access but the actual physical resources behind it are shared with many others
[00:26]  * Hobbsee suggests rtfm'ing for those kind of questions
[00:26] <jdong> tonyyarusso: xen's paravirtualization, not virtualization :)
[00:27] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: fair enough, although I've tried that a bit with limited success, so I thought I might see how others phrased it
[00:27] <tonyyarusso> jdong: uh, sure :P
[00:27] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i meant the xen vs the other stuff, adn virtualisation
[00:27] <jdong> tonyyarusso: VM tends to come with the connotation of VMWare/VirtualBox or some other higher-overhead type of setup
[00:27] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[00:28] <tonyyarusso> So a VPS presumably should have significantly better performance than a shared environment, right?
[00:28] <jdong> tonyyarusso: no
[00:28] <Hobbsee> it's supposed to have
[00:28] <Hobbsee> in terms of it having more ram, etc, it probably does
[00:28] <jdong> tonyyarusso: the perofrmance of a VPS packed to the same density as a shared host will be identical or worse
[00:28] <jdong> tonyyarusso: but typically VPS'es are backed by much more generous hardware allocation
[00:28] <Hobbsee> jdong: how many people are usually on a shared host box?
[00:29] <jdong> Hobbsee: a Site5 box I've used (acheron) had over 500 sites on it
[00:29] <jdong> Hobbsee: powered by a 4-core Xeon
[00:29] <jdong> Hobbsee: load average was always shot in the 50's
[00:29] <LjL> i've had fucking enough of the complains about floodbots spam (probably amounting to some whopping 0.1% of channel traffic)
[00:29] <LjL> you can go back and stop attacks the old way
[00:29] <tonyyarusso> ...
[00:29] <Hobbsee> We group Linodes of the same plan together onto the hosts. A Linode 360 host has no more than 40 Linodes on it. A Linode 540 host has no more than 30. Linode 720 host: 20 Linodes; Linode 1080 host: 15; Linode 1440 host: 10.
[00:29] <Hobbsee> jdong: ouch
[00:29] <jdong> tonyyarusso: shared-hosting has privacy and security concerns, along with the fact that you cannot install software in the same way
[00:30] <Hobbsee> 40 != 500
[00:30] <jdong> Hobbsee: right
[00:30] <Hobbsee> jdong: wow.  i've not seen my load average above ~10 or so, doing some pretty heavy stuff
[00:30] <tonyyarusso> jdong: I see, so those are the main points, but it's quite "likely" that performance might be better too?
[00:30] <Hobbsee> usually it's around 0.00 - 0.02
[00:30] <jdong> tonyyarusso: right
[00:31] <jdong> tonyyarusso: VPS carries the connotation of being a more generous/upscale service :)
[00:31] <jdong> tonyyarusso: with my time on  a shared-host, I found that someone else's crappy Perl/PHP script causes everyone to suffer
[00:31] <tonyyarusso> Looks like Linode's plans start at double what I'm paying for shared, which I guess is reasonable.
[00:31] <jdong> tonyyarusso: rarely, if ever, will that happen on a VPS. You are in your own little world
[00:32] <Hobbsee> jdong: token's ftw - they get limited.
[00:32] <tonyyarusso> I assume on a VPS there would be no restrictions on what you could run as well, correct?   I've known people who used debtakeover to change a Fedora VPS to Debian/Ubuntu
[00:32] <jdong> which is quite interesting :)
[00:33] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: and is that "plenty", or would you consider something larger?  (And for what sort of things running?)
[00:33] <tonyyarusso> jdong: lol, never heard of that before...
[00:33]  * Hobbsee is running bip, an irc server, an instance of ubotu, 2 drupal sites, and probably a couple of other bits i've forgotten
[00:33] <Hobbsee> as in, the ubotu with all the linked bantracker, etc.
[00:33] <Hobbsee> haven't seen it going into swap yet.  it's hard to tell how much memory it's actually using, due to caching though
[00:33] <tonyyarusso> So it should handle my little sites with no problem.  COol.
[00:34]  * Hobbsee occasionally uses it to compile
[00:34] <Hobbsee> nice fast link there, so it gets the deps quickly.  takes a bit longer to compile, but i don't really care.
[00:36] <tonyyarusso> Now, one thing that I noticed is the the disk space and bandwidth limits are much smaller than a shared host.  For instance, the Linode 360 is 10GB / 200GB, whereas my shared host is 500GB/5TB.  Any thoughts on that front, other than pointing out that I have no idea how I would use half a terrabyte anyway?
[00:36] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: oh yeah, i knew i forgot something.  i'm using it as a backup too.
[00:36] <Moniker42> Seeker`, i think you should remove the ban in u-uk
[00:36] <Hobbsee>  /dev/ubda     ext3    9.6G  3.7G  6.0G  39% /
[00:36] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: and the 10G gives you enough free space for that?
[00:36] <tonyyarusso> ah, I see.
[00:36] <Hobbsee> sure.
[00:36] <Moniker42> it is ineffectual and irrelevant
[00:37] <Seeker`> Moniker42: It is not a ban, it is a mute
[00:37] <Moniker42> Seeker`, it has nothing to do with that channel
[00:37] <Hobbsee> seeing as my client is likely to be paying for a lot of the hosting bill (yay), i'm planning to switch to annual, which is 15gb
[00:37] <Seeker`> Moniker42: Seeing as it was you that did that the first few times, even after I asked you to stop
[00:37] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: besides, they'll probably give another free upgrade soon, which should help.
[00:37] <Seeker`> Moniker42: I think it is reasonable to assume that it was you doing it
[00:38] <Moniker42> Seeker`, even if you had evidence for that it is still irrelevant to that channel
[00:38] <Hobbsee> # Transfer/Mo 200 GB
[00:38] <Hobbsee> # Incoming: 428 MB
[00:38] <Hobbsee> # Outgoing: 367 MB
[00:38] <Hobbsee> # Total: 794 MB
[00:38] <Hobbsee> ie, 0% of monthly transfer
[00:38] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: they give free upgrades?
[00:38] <Seeker`> Moniker42: It may help to get the point across that is a pretty stupid, troll-like thing to do
[00:38] <Moniker42> and what does that have to do with me being muted in #ubuntu-uk?
[00:38] <Moniker42> nothing.
[00:38] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=16
[00:39] <Moniker42> you have no claim to mute me for something that is done in an open channel/with a freenode-wide service
[00:40] <Moniker42> Seeker`, are you just ignoring me now, or are you afk?
[00:40] <nalioth> Moniker42: keep in mind that what you did could be considered a DOS
[00:40] <Seeker`> Moniker42: Someone was doing their best to annoy a user in the channel
[00:41] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Interesting.  And in the event that I ever decided to sign up with them, do you get any sort of credit for a referral?
[00:41] <Seeker`> Moniker42: You did it several tiems - or at least what you said in the channel impled that strongly
[00:42] <Moniker42> that is not relevant. it is obviously part of the story, but the issue is whether or not you can mute me in that channel for use of a freenode-wide service
[00:42] <nalioth> Moniker42: would you rather we take care of it at the network level?
[00:42] <Seeker`> Moniker42: Seeing as I only have power in that channel, and the relevant offense was commited in that channel, I feel it is justified
[00:43] <Seeker`> If you want me to talk to some staff about abuse of network-wide service abuse, I will.
[00:43] <nalioth> Seeker`: it's too late for that.
[00:43] <Moniker42> nalioth, i don't see why legitimately carried-out complaints about abuse of powers on this network lead to threats of *more* punishment
[00:43] <nalioth> the staff already knows
[00:43] <nalioth> Moniker42: perhaps we're not on the same page here
[00:44] <Moniker42> thanks, the ban has been lifted.
[00:44] <nalioth> but i find it coincidental that you show up here at this time
[00:45] <Moniker42> i'm not here on a crusade, so now that the ban has been lifted, unless anything more needs to be said, i'll be off...
[00:51] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: nope
[00:51] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: 'k.  Thanks.
[08:17] <Tm_T> ubotu: test
[08:23] <Myrtti> poor ubotu
[08:24] <Tm_T> indeed
[08:37] <Myrtti> only 14 minutes of lag
[10:59] <Seeker`> quiet morning
[11:18]  * Pici enjoys the quiet
[11:26]  * jussi01 walks in, making a huge noise so everyone wakes up :P
[11:29] <Seeker`> :O
[11:30]  * Myrtti throws pillows at jussi01
[11:30] <Myrtti> let us sleep
[11:30] <Mez> Seeker`, shush, you'll jinx it
[11:32] <jussi01> hehe
[12:18] <jussi01> !test
[12:18] <ubotwo> Failed.
[12:18] <jussi01> hmmm, is ubotu muted in here?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:19] <jussi01> seems to be working fine in #ubuntustudio...
[12:26] <jrib> ubotu and ubot3 are both private messaging users when  !factoid > user  is used in #ubunt.  Can we tell ubotu to go away?
[13:16] <Pici> jrib: kick/ban it?
[13:16] <jrib> Pici: yep, forgot about that :)
[13:18] <jrib> I've banned ubotu for the above reason
[13:22]  * mneptok meeps
[13:22]  * jussi01 beeps
[13:25] <Myrtti> tweet
[13:32] <Pici> smeat
[13:43] <jrib> moo
[13:43]  * jrib thinks he missed the pattern
[13:45] <jussi01> noises i guess...
[15:47] <Myrtti> sudobash: how can we help you today?
[16:25] <ubot3> In #kubuntu, frank_ said: ubot3, aptoncd is APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers. More info at http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/
[16:25] <LjL> !aptoncd
[16:25] <ubotwo> APTonCD is a tool with a graphical interface which allows you to create one or more CDs or DVDs with all of the packages you've downloaded via apt-get or aptitude, creating a removable repository that you can use on other computers
[16:26] <LjL> do we need the factoid at all? it's in the repos...
[16:27] <nickrud> the link is probably useful
[16:27] <LjL> meh the link is always useful, but it's in the APT description!
[16:28] <LjL> Description: Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT
[16:28] <LjL>  APT removable repository creator and package backup tool for Debian based systems. This tool will allow you to create a media (CD or DVD) to use to install software via APT in a non-connected machine, as well upgrade and install the same set of softwares in several machines with no need to re-download the packages again. For more information, visit http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net
[16:29] <LjL> i mean, are we going to duplicate every package as a factoid? hopefully not
[16:30] <LjL> perhaps it would be useful if ubotu grabbed the URL from the APT description
[16:30] <LjL> !info aptoncd
[16:30] <ubotwo> aptoncd: Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.97-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 135 kB, installed size 1024 kB (Only available for None)
[16:51] <nickrud> I see your point. aptoncd as a factoid makes sense since it's often suggested as a way to get networking packages to a non-networked machine. Me, I just like factoids in general ;)
[16:56] <LjL> nickrud: we should just have !<package> back without needing !info
[16:57] <nickrud> hm. if !<package> added 'see package description for more info' along with the other stuff
[17:07] <Pici> Some regular !info factoids are long, do we want that *and* the package description?
[17:19] <Amaranth> LjL: can we get ubotwo in #ubuntu-desktop?
[17:20] <PriceChild> ubotwo: whoami
[17:20] <ubotwo> PriceChild: I don't recognize you.
[17:20] <PriceChild> ubotwo: login
[17:20] <PriceChild> ubotwo: whoami
[17:20] <ubotwo> PriceChild: I don't recognize you.
[17:21] <Amaranth> ubotwo: whoami
[17:21] <ubotwo> Amaranth: I don't recognize you.
[17:21] <Amaranth> ubotwo: login
[17:21] <Pici> ubotwo: join #ubuntu-desktop
[17:21] <Amaranth> i thought i had access
[17:21] <Pici> ubotwo: whoami
[17:21] <ubotwo> Pici: Pici
[17:21] <PriceChild> Pici: wins
[17:30] <nalioth> . ubot3 is available
[17:30] <Pici> nalioth: I heard ubot3 was available.
[17:32] <jussi01> nalioth: ubot3  doesnt do !info stuff does it?
[17:32] <nalioth> sure it does
[17:33] <nalioth> it just doesn't respond in here unless you call it
[17:33] <jussi01> oh, sorry, I meant hardy !info
[17:34] <jussi01> !info waon hardy
[17:34] <ubotwo> waon: A Wave-to-Notes transcriber. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 85 kB, installed size 240 kB (Only available for None)
[17:34] <jussi01> hrmm, doesnt look like ubotwo does either :(
[17:46] <nalioth> ubot3 info waon hardy
[17:46] <nalioth> yeah, it wont do it here
[17:46] <nalioth> but it will elsewhere
[17:48] <stdin> nalioth: doesn't seem to do it in #k either
[17:49] <nalioth> :(
[17:49] <nalioth> i've added hardy repos to it some weeks ago
[17:49] <jussi01> nor #k-devel
[17:49]  * nalioth goes to poke the innards
[17:49] <jussi01> I think there is a field in there somewhere to add the names of hte distros
[17:49] <stdin> is supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.packagelookup set to true?
[17:53] <stdin> nalioth: looks like it's working now
[17:53] <jussi01> stdin: yippee :D
[18:26] <nalioth> jussi01: hardy info updated
[18:26] <nalioth> at least in ubot3
[19:38] <LjL> PriceChild, you don't "login", you /msg identify pricechild password
[19:39] <LjL> "login" is an ubotu specific feature
[19:39] <LjL> pici, same
[19:39] <PriceChild> I was hoping FreenodeAuth would work so I wouldn't have to ask you to reset the password 8-)
[19:39] <LjL> sigh
[19:39] <LjL> no i don't have that plugin
[19:41] <LjL> PriceChild: /msg register pricechild newpassword
[19:42] <PriceChild> LjL: done, sorry and thanks
[19:48] <Amaranth> ubotwo: whoami
[19:48] <ubotwo> Amaranth: Amaranth
[20:04] <ompaul> nalioth, we had 4 joins in fast succession from here >> student2<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:04]  * ompaul is about to pm
[20:04] <ompaul> but laggin
[20:04] <ompaul> nalioth, no answer to said pm ohh well
[20:05] <Seeker`> ubotwo: whoami
[20:05] <ubotwo> Seeker`: I don't recognize you.
[20:05] <Seeker`> :(
[20:06] <mneptok> ubotwo: who i is?
[20:06] <ompaul> mneptok, you are who you issss
[20:06] <mneptok> i is whats i eats
[20:07]  * ompaul waves a Frank Zappa LP at mneptok
[20:07] <mneptok> and that's basically "anything slower than me at leatime"
[20:07] <mneptok> *mealtime"
[20:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Suggestions on dealing with these people discussing virus's in ubuntu.. they crossed the line when discussing howe they might write one
[20:20] <PriceChild> Jack_Sparrow: #ubuntu ?
[20:20] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: discussing how to write one is offtopic
[20:20] <PriceChild> indeed
[20:20] <tritium> But, otherwise, valid topic
 Cann0n: wouldn't be that hard actually.. have a process sit in background, wait for the .sudo_as_admin_successful flag to come up, then ride that to root.
[20:21] <Jack_Sparrow> What part of that belongs in a support room
[20:22] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: none of it
[20:22] <Jack_Sparrow> tritium, Im wainting
[20:22] <Jack_Sparrow> waiting
[20:22] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: for?
[20:22] <Jack_Sparrow> What part of that belongs in a support room
[20:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Your in channel supporting that discussing.. so support it
[20:23] <Jack_Sparrow> What part of that belongs in a support room
[20:23] <ompaul> none of it - but too late now - should have been acted on
[20:23] <tritium> See above, where I said discussion of writing viruses is offtopic.
[20:23] <ompaul> now next time it comes up
[20:23] <tritium> I never supported the discussion.
[20:23] <ompaul> move them
[20:23] <Jack_Sparrow> I did
[20:23] <ompaul> was there no op watching? ..
[20:23] <Jack_Sparrow> then removed it hoping they would settle down.
[20:23] <ompaul> ack
[20:23] <ompaul> well that can happen if it grows again it is !ops
[20:24] <ompaul> or kill -9
[20:24] <PriceChild> cann0n is odd
[20:24] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: you caught a comment I never saw.
[20:24] <Jack_Sparrow> And I banned one and warned the other
[20:24] <tritium> ompaul: we were watching, but only Jack_Sparrow caught the offending comment
[20:24] <ompaul> ack
[20:24] <Jack_Sparrow> i removed it after a minute
[20:25] <tritium> In general, however, I do support the discussion of viruses on ubuntu.  It may be a support issue, or it may be an advocacy issue.
[20:25]  * ompaul was off playing the fire wall is down and there are services on the box that need to be off - quick choose fix firewall or kill services
[20:25] <ompaul> killed services
[20:26] <ompaul> portmap may have been providing rpcbind and the other nfs stuff may have been off but forgive me if I don't trust any of it
[20:27] <Jack_Sparrow> tritium, You say you never supported the discussion but  <tritium> Cann0n: you're not wrong
[20:27] <Jack_Sparrow> read the log
[20:27] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: I told you already, I missed his comment that you pasted above.
[20:27] <Jack_Sparrow> ok..
[20:27] <tritium> I told him he's not wrong that viruses, in general, are not off-topic.
[20:27] <Seeker`> Jack_Sparrow: Wasn't that in reply to  "-20:19:32- :Cann0n : i guess im in the wrong then. sigh... i just recall some people being paranoid about linux viruses. i was just emphasizing on that.
[20:28] <Jack_Sparrow> When it drifts off into a long discussion it really does not belong in the support room...
[20:28] <Seeker`> I read that as tritium agreeing with Cann0n that he was in the wrong
[20:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Understood, but that conversation needed to be stopped.. agreed.
[20:29] <Seeker`> yes, I agree that it needed to be stopped
[20:30] <tritium> I agree too.  I had strayed far off-topic.
[20:30] <Jack_Sparrow> All for one...  one for all...  :)
[20:30] <Jack_Sparrow> back to work
[20:34] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: sorry, I hope you didn't think I was challenging you.  He was clearly offtopic.  I missed his comment, and was only supporting general discussion.
[20:35] <Jack_Sparrow> No harm no foul.. thanks for understanding my actions
[20:35] <tritium> :)
[20:49] <ompaul> that was fun
[20:49] <ompaul> not
[20:49] <Seeker`> ompaul: what wasn't?
[20:49] <ompaul> Seeker`, what was my last comment before I left?
[20:51] <Seeker`> ompaul: something about portmap
[21:17] <Amaranth> @btlogin
[21:17] <Amaranth> dang
[21:17] <Amaranth> hoped that part still worked
[21:18] <ompaul> Seeker`, ehh no the quit message
[21:18] <ompaul> that was the last one - ok I was on the way out
[21:18] <Seeker`> "Client Quiet!
[21:18] <Seeker`> *"Client Quit"
[21:18] <ompaul> dang there was a /quit
[21:19] <ompaul> okay my network needed to restart
[21:19] <ompaul> changes here broke all sorts of stuff
[21:19] <ompaul> so I needed to restart the router it got confused
[21:19] <Seeker`> :(
[21:26] <jussi01> !test
[21:26] <ubotwo> Failed.
[21:27] <jussi01> curious ubotwo is not responding in #kubuntu-kde4
[21:43] <Jack_Sparrow> When are we going to vote on Cannon being a troll or not..  both ub and ub-ot same thing...
[21:43] <tritium> +1
 some ignorant folks in #ubuntu
[21:44] <Jack_Sparrow> tritium, in +1 too
[21:44] <Jack_Sparrow> ?
[21:45] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: which channel was that in?
[21:45] <Jack_Sparrow> offtopic
 watching him now in -offtopic? suggesting compiling over packages.  I was just observing
[21:47] <nickrud> taking a break from work, watching others work ;)
[21:47] <tritium> nickrud: was it?  I missed it, then.
[21:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Slacker..
[21:47] <tritium> Jack_Sparrow: ;)
[21:47] <Jack_Sparrow> :)
[21:48] <Jack_Sparrow> nickrud, when do you want to meet in San Juan for a pizza?
[21:48] <nickrud> San Jaun?
[21:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Capistrano
[21:50] <nickrud> hm. I'm tied up the next two weekends, early march maybe?
[21:50] <Cann0n> i have a complaint about #ubuntu
[21:50] <Jack_Sparrow> I'll be in Floriday but maybe after that
[21:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Welcome.. please state your complaint.. I will only watch
[21:51] <nickrud> fly back via LAX :)
[21:53] <tritium> mc44: ?
[21:54] <Cann0n> i have a person ask me about apache configuration, i went afk for a bit, next thing i notice, everyone is yelling at me for something i didnt even tell the guy. now im banned becuase no one would drop
[21:55] <Cann0n> drop it on the topic of conversation.
[21:55] <Cann0n> ompaul told me to drop it, i complied and he banned me anyway.
[21:55] <tritium> Cann0n: you didn't comply, which was the problem.
[21:56] <ompaul> Cann0n, being told to drop it, you kept going
[21:56] <Cann0n> i did comply. i as telling everyone to drop it.
[21:56] <ompaul> you are now gone
[21:56] <ompaul> Cann0n, that is not dropping it - that is carrying it on
[21:56] <ompaul> it caused more reply's
[21:56] <ompaul> replies even
[21:56] <Cann0n> you had the nerve to go into the off topic chat to taunt me...
[21:56] <ompaul> no
[21:56] <Cann0n> uncalled for guy.
[21:57] <ompaul> you had the nerve to do "wow" so you get friendly advice
[21:57] <ompaul> and you carry that on
[21:57] <ompaul> if you reply to people and always seek the final word you will be sadly disappointed on irc
[21:58] <Cann0n> do you even know why everyone was saying all that stuff?
[21:58] <Cann0n> backtracker thought i told him something i didnt.
[21:58] <ompaul> yes I understood what was going on
[21:58] <ompaul> you could have left it alone
[21:58] <Cann0n> i simply gave him configuration advice.
[21:58] <ompaul> you did not
[21:58] <Cann0n> and because of him, i am banned due to the lack of knowledge from the ignorance in the chat.
[21:58] <ompaul> no
[21:58] <Cann0n> what did i tell him?
[21:59] <ompaul> you are banned not because of what you told him
[21:59] <Cann0n> agian, you dont listen.
[21:59] <Cann0n> i said " do you even know why everyone was saying all that stuff?"
[21:59] <Cann0n> I didnt say, "do you know why i was banned"
[21:59] <Cann0n> if you are going to be an admin, you need to listen more.
[22:00] <ompaul> your agenda to dictate this conversation is not mine - I will do as I have done and advice
[22:00] <Cann0n> because of that misunderstanding, everyone started on. in normal human reaction, it started a chain reaction.
[22:01] <Cann0n> you clearly see me tell people to leave me alone. why didnt you ban the others?
[22:01] <ompaul> there was no misunderstanding on my part
[22:01] <ompaul> that is not the conversation as far I am concerned here
[22:02] <Cann0n> you banned me for telling people to leave me alone. no warning. nothing. i knew i was going to get banned for being off topic.
[22:02] <ompaul> you were warned a couple of times to drop it
[22:02] <ompaul> what others did at that time was not what I was interested in
[22:03] <ompaul> with regard to your actions
[22:03] <Cann0n> my last 3 posts :   yeah i told ya'll to leave me alone. take it to off-topic if you want to keep bashing me,  !ot tsmith
[22:03] <ompaul> take it to off-topic if you want to keep bashing me,  !ot tsmith
[22:03] <ompaul> were beyond what I considered my final warning
[22:04] <ompaul> it matters not if you see an @ or not
[22:04] <ompaul> btw I had opped myself at that stage
[22:04] <ompaul> it should have been very obvious what was about to happen
[22:05] <ompaul> but you failed to see that
[22:05] <Cann0n> it was, i was banned because i had a problem with everyone yelling at me about something stupid.
[22:05] <ompaul> for which I have to say you continued on a path
[22:05] <ompaul> this conversation is going nowhere
[22:06] <Cann0n> i know.  you did say: <ompaul> Cann0n,  btw this is not the place to discuss a ban - that would be #ubuntu-ops
[22:06] <Cann0n> i was discussing you actions, hoping to find someone other than you in here.
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Im here...
[22:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Nickrud is here
[22:08] <Jack_Sparrow> and others
[22:08] <LjL> so am i, and honestly i don't quite see the need to introduce myself in the conversation when you were being monitored by several ops well before the ban
[22:08] <Cann0n> i know. i dont like you either jack. u banned me fore the virus topic
[22:10] <Cann0n> LjL, then you saw the miscommunication between me and backtrack?
[22:10] <LjL> Pici: you scared me.
[22:10] <Pici> LjL: :)
[22:11] <jussi01> Heya Zarr... I mean Pici
[22:11] <LjL> Cann0n: no. i just saw that you were being suspected of trolling about *three* hours ago already
[22:11] <Cann0n> LjL, what topic?
[22:12] <nickrud> yes. I saw a ban not for discussing apache and the merits of compilation vs apt, but for not dropping the subject when asked. You were seeking the last word, and vindication. The ops only wanted no further text on the subject in the channel.  Fly in via LAX, I'll treat
[22:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Cool...  Will see what I can do
[22:15] <Pici> Somehow my /set hostname in irssi got set to 'freenode.net'  so... when I tried to reconnect earlier, it wouldnt let me.
[22:17] <mneptok> wait ... we sell meth?
[22:17] <ompaul> mneptok, got some for me?
[22:18] <mneptok> that's what i've been tryin' to TELL you!
[22:18] <mneptok> where's MINE?!
[22:18] <ompaul> ahh
[22:18] <mneptok> i have 3 or 4 pesky remaining teeth i need to teach a lesson
[22:18] <ompaul> :)
[22:19] <Jack_Sparrow> My wife can spot a meth user the minute she reclines the "Dental Chair"
[22:20] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: When your wife is in the dental chair?
[22:20] <ompaul>  /cs i lilg111111_
[22:20]  * Pici scratches his head
[22:20] <ompaul> reason
[22:20] <ompaul> in -readtopic
[22:20] <ompaul> and #ubuntu
[22:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici, Her office
[22:21] <LjL> done
[22:21] <ompaul> I do hope they cop the invite and I don't remove them
[22:21] <ompaul> LjL, ?
[22:21] <LjL> ompaul, forward dodger
[22:21] <LjL> i don't like that
[22:21] <ompaul> nor to I
[22:22] <LjL> GazzaK: now i'll have to spend a month readjusting to your new/old nickname *again*.
[22:22] <Seeker`> GazzaK: Why the nick change again?
[22:22] <jussi01> Seeker`: are you in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[22:23] <Seeker`> yes
[22:23] <Pici> Why not just fix your hilights?
[22:23] <jussi01> Seeker`: read scrollback
[22:23] <GazzaK> Pici: I could, but :p
[22:23] <Pici> :p
[22:23] <GazzaK> LjL: didn't you moan last time?
[22:23] <GazzaK> I'm just seeing if I hate it still, might change back
[22:23] <LjL> GazzaK: i *always* moan when people change nicks.
[22:24] <Pici> I had to change mine, I kept getting hilighted for 'suspicious'
[22:24] <ompaul>  banned about here
[22:24] <ompaul> LjL, banned the host to here
[22:24] <Seeker`> fair enough
[22:24] <ompaul> LjL, they tried three different nicks
[22:24] <LjL> imbecile.
[22:24] <ompaul> lilg111111_ was the last one
[22:24] <ompaul> well I will will have text for them when they hit here
[22:24] <LjL> i might change the floodbots to hostname bans, there people are really annoying.
[22:25] <LjL> at least *try* to follow the instructions
[22:25] <ompaul> well ban both?
[22:25] <LjL> bots are spammy enough already
[22:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Pici, You are STILL suspicious eh
[22:26] <ompaul> Pici, please !offtopic at something in #ubuntu
[22:26] <ompaul> I just had a minor war
[22:26] <ompaul> this guy should show up here in a moment
[22:26] <ompaul> LjL, thanks
[22:27] <ompaul> whats the betting that is our man from read topic ? anolis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[22:27] <LjL> you lose
[22:27] <ompaul> lilg111111, hi there
[22:27] <lilg111111> hey
[22:28] <ompaul> lilg111111, you were banned from #ubuntu to a channel for a reason
[22:28] <lilg111111> ljl, why did you boot me
[22:28] <ompaul> you skirted around that
[22:28] <lilg111111> I dont know
[22:28] <ompaul> let me help ou
[22:28] <lilg111111> ok
[22:28] <ompaul> you were banned and forwarded to a channel calleed
[22:28] <LjL> lilg111111, i "booted" you for the same reason that had you banned from #ubuntu for the last *month*.
[22:28] <ompaul> * Now talking on #ubuntu-read-topic
[22:29] <ompaul> lilg111111, now go there
[22:29] <ompaul> read the topic
[22:29] <ompaul> like is says in the channel name
[22:29] <ompaul> and then do what it says there
[22:29] <LjL> and like the bots say on join
[22:29] <ompaul> lilg111111, that is how you will be helped
[22:29] <ompaul> the url explains everything
[22:30] <mneptok>  /ctcp lilg111111 dcc send HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[22:30] <ompaul> except why you avoided the ban and did not read the url from the bot or
[22:30] <mneptok> oh, OOPS
[22:30] <LjL> ahum
[22:30] <ompaul> mneptok, don't know if staff are watching
[22:30] <lilg111111> ok, let me read this url
[22:30] <Seeker`> the  IIIIIIIIs make a pretty pattern :)
[22:30] <nalioth> mneptok: please don't do that
[22:30] <ompaul> at least not in a channel
[22:30] <Pici> mneptok: thats how... madpilot got klined :p
[22:30] <mneptok> lilg111111: if you don't want idiots like kicking you off IRC with that command, pay attention to those bots.
[22:31] <ompaul> mneptok, please that reads badly for you ;-)
[22:31]  * ompaul runs
[22:31] <lilg111111> i did the router fix thing
[22:32] <ompaul> well then why did you not ask for a test?
[22:33] <lilg111111> test me
[22:33] <lilg111111> i dont know who the ops are
[22:33] <LjL> not here, sigh
[22:33] <LjL> look
[22:33] <LjL> the topic in the channel called "#ubuntu-read-topic" says
[22:33] <LjL> Your router is affected by a bug. Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to fix it, and then type « test me ». If the automatic test fails, join #ubuntu-ops and ask to be tested by operators
[22:34] <LjL> now, *every* time you join (15 times during the last month), a bot points you to that topic, by saying
[22:34] <LjL> lilg111111_: Hello, You can't « /join #ubuntu » because of a problem with your connection. Please type « /topic » and read the instructions.
[22:34] <LjL> now -- do you have any suggestions as to how we could make that any way clearer than that?
[22:36] <jussi01> oohhh...
[22:37] <mneptok> LjL: ascii animation
[22:37] <Pici> sl?
[22:38] <mneptok> lilg111111: to answer your privmsg, tpye the words "test me" (no quotes) in #ubuntu-read-topic
[22:38] <mneptok> "type," even.
[22:38] <Pici> Hes already done so
[22:39] <lilg111111> even
[22:39] <mneptok> scissors
[22:39] <ompaul> lilg111111, care to explain how you got confused with it  - we really would like to know how you saw it as so much harder
[22:40] <Pici> That way we can fix it and make it better for the next person.
[22:41] <lilg111111> i was thinking that i had to private msg an op to test me
[22:41] <lilg111111> i didnt think to just type "test me" in the channel
[22:42] <LjL> lilg111111, even then, is the mention of #ubuntu-ops unclear?
[22:43] <lilg111111> yes, i didnt know they were referring to a channel
[22:44] <ompaul> ok
[22:44] <ompaul> that makes some sense
[22:44] <ompaul> you were hard to catch up with as you kept diving out and changing your nick
[22:45] <ompaul> eventually I got the forward to here
[22:45] <ompaul> LjL, pm
[22:48] <LjL> lilg111111: then what was the issue, you didn't know how to join the channel?
[22:48] <PriceChild> Hmmm strangeness.
[22:50] <lilg111111> i didnt know that you needed to join the channel then after you join the channel type "test me" in it
[22:50] <LjL> lilg111111, you didn't have to join anything, you could have just typed "test me" after following the instructions.
[22:50] <LjL> *but* if you thought you needed an operator, you could, as mentioned, join #ubuntu-ops (this channel)
[22:51] <LjL> can you suggest a better way to state that message?
[22:51] <lilg111111> i didnt know anything about this channel
[22:52] <LjL> except that it was explicitly mentioned in the topic of the *other* channel
[22:53] <lilg111111> i think the part about joining ubuntu ops to test should be stated at the top not the bottom of the page
[22:53] <ompaul> lilg111111, ok we have made a few notes and will adjust the texts
[22:53] <ompaul> lilg111111, we don't want people joining here
[22:53] <ompaul> they could be here for a long time if all ops are afk
[22:53] <ompaul> so the bots do it for us
[22:53] <ompaul> :)
[22:54] <LjL> top? bottom? ?
[22:54] <LjL> i'm talking about the *topic* that the bot told you to read
[22:54] <LjL> when you type /topic, as the bot tells you to type, a message comes up
[22:54] <LjL> that is the channel *topic*
[22:54] <LjL> you should always read the channel topic when you join a channel
[22:54] <LjL> now it says
[22:54] <LjL> Your router is affected by a bug. 1) Please follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit to FIX it, 2) and then type « test me » in HERE. 3) If the automatic test FAILS, then type « /join #ubuntu-ops » and ask to be tested there by the operators
[22:55] <LjL> so you think that's clearer than before?
[22:55] <Pici> I think it sounds pretty clear now.
[22:56] <lilg111111> yes thats better, but do you need to be in the ops channel to get tested
[22:56] <Myrtti> if the part 2) fails
[22:56] <Myrtti> as said on the part 3)
[22:56] <LjL> no, no no
[22:57] <lilg111111> then thats perfect
[22:57] <LjL> cool, thanks for the feedback
[23:00] <ompaul> lilg111111, now we have one more question for you
[23:00] <lilg111111> no prob
[23:00] <lilg111111> k
[23:00] <ompaul> is there anything else we can do for you?
[23:00] <ompaul> (please note this is not a support channel ;-))
[23:01] <lilg111111> lol, nope you have been helpful, i just want to say im new to linux and i dont know very much about
[23:02] <ompaul> well now you get the idea - we like to improve things the whole time
[23:02] <lilg111111> colo
[23:02] <ompaul> may the source be with you
[23:02] <lilg111111> lol
[23:02] <lilg111111> thanx again
[23:03] <ompaul> !lol
[23:03] <ubotwo> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[23:03] <ompaul> ;-)
[23:03] <Pici> !idle
[23:03] <ubotwo> Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[23:03] <Pici> :)
[23:03] <ompaul> lilg111111, thank you
[23:03] <ompaul> have a good evening
[23:04] <ompaul> hmm
[23:04] <lilg111111> you to
[23:04] <ompaul> lilg111111, can I ask you to read the topic might have been pushing it
[23:04] <ompaul> hehe
[23:04] <ompaul> I was typing it when they left
[23:04] <ompaul> hehe


[02:10] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[02:10] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi guys
[02:11] <LaserJock> how goes it today?
[02:13] <Madpilot> good
[02:15] <Burgundavia> so I got a new position today at work today "Community Manager"
[02:16] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so  you're Userful's answer to Jono? ;)
[02:16] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:16] <jsgotangco> ho ho ho
[02:17] <Madpilot> something tells me "Community Manager" translates to "Guy Who Won't Shut Up About Open Source..." ;)
[02:17] <Burgundavia> pretty much
[02:17] <Burgundavia> but I actually got so buy in, finally
[02:17] <Burgundavia> s/so/some
[02:20] <LaserJock> you're staying?
[02:20] <LaserJock> and is there a Community to manage?
[02:21] <Burgundavia> yes and I get to create one
[02:21] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, so does "Community Manager" come with a raise, or just a new set of business cards?
[02:22] <LaserJock> heh
[02:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:22] <Burgundavia> I hope the former but am not certain. The latter almost certainly
[02:22] <LaserJock> that's cool
[02:23] <Burgundavia> and I have some code that Edubuntu will care about, ready in a few days
[02:23] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[02:25] <Burgundavia> the code is ready, I just need to sort the tarball out and get the licence file added and the CVS dir removed
[02:25] <Burgundavia> talk about babes in the woods'
[02:25] <LaserJock> ahhh
[02:25] <LaserJock> I'll look forward to seeing it
[02:25] <Madpilot> another in-house project lurching out under the GPL?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: I hope to have you package it.  AFAIK, I am the only full time Linux user at the company
[02:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: no way, I made a list today of all the Ubuntu related projects. I count 10 presently
[02:27] <jsgotangco> the "we're not packaging anything that is non-free till you pay me" group
[02:27] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: my list of things I have rights over is scarily long
[02:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:28] <crimsun> LaserJock: that's all? :)
[02:28] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, some are not very easy projects
[02:28] <LaserJock> I need to implement a spec this week :-)
[02:28] <Burgundavia> the menu one?
[02:28] <LaserJock> yeah
[02:29] <LaserJock> I think I've got a pretty good idea of what I want to do
[02:29] <LaserJock> and it's actually pretty close to an app called desktop-profiles
[02:29] <Burgundavia> sabayon needs to understand merging profiles and hierarchies of profiles
[02:30] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yes, I contacted one of the sabayon devs and he pretty much said it would be very difficult and there are presently no developers for sabayon
[02:30] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:30] <LaserJock> so I don't think I can handle that myself
[02:30] <Burgundavia> Jorge and I were lamenting about this all week
[02:30] <LaserJock> I do think sabayon is a pretty cool app though
[02:31] <LaserJock> they have firefox and openoffice integration too I believ
[02:31] <LaserJock> e
[02:31] <Burgundavia> somewhere, but that has not seen the light of day
[02:31] <LaserJock> so the profiles can handle a large amount of data
[02:31] <Burgundavia> KDE and GNOME developers need to merge gconf/kconfig
[02:31] <Burgundavia> not that crackish dconf, just a straight merge
[02:32] <LaserJock> I was going to look at kiosktool today but it doesn't work in edgy very well as it need a root password
[02:32] <LaserJock> and I don't feel like creating root :-0
[02:32] <LaserJock> :-) I mean
[02:32] <crimsun> you can ask pitti for pointers. He went on a derooting rampage for Hoary.
[02:32] <LaserJock> I was going to get Hobbsee to do it but maybe that would work too
[02:33] <LaserJock> right now I'm trying to figure out why vnc doesn't seem to work in edgy
[02:33] <LaserJock> if it isn't one thing its another, no wonder I can't get anything done
[02:34] <Madpilot> LaserJock, you are running a testing release, did you expect to get anything done except testing? ;)
[02:34] <LaserJock> kinda, yeah
[02:35] <Madpilot> optimist
[02:35] <LaserJock> hehe
[02:35] <LaserJock> well it's hard to work on a spec when you have to fix all the bugs in the distro before you can get to work
[02:35] <Madpilot> has a release date for Knot2 been given?
[02:36] <crimsun> not that I'm aware.
[02:36] <LaserJock> hmm, I thought it was supposed to be a while ago
[02:36] <Madpilot> OK. Might pull the Knot1 LiveCD down, then, and poke around a bit
[02:36] <LaserJock> brave man
[02:37] <Burgundavia> bloody gpm
[02:37] <Burgundavia> gave me about 30 secs of warning beofre the power shutdown
[02:38] <jsgotangco> im not touching edgy till the next knot
[02:39] <jsgotangco> upgrading is not an option either my my pathetic dsl
[02:39] <Burgundavia> any idea when that might be?
[02:40] <Burgundavia> I really need to finish the Knot2 page
[02:50] <jsgotangco> its pretty sketchy, the dailies have always been oversized lately
[02:50] <jsgotangco> but the aim i guess is to have a stable installer and fix the deps later
[02:50] <Burgundavia> hey mdke
[02:51] <LaserJock> kinda hard to test oversized .isos though
[02:51] <jsgotangco> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily/current/report.html
[02:51] <jsgotangco> yuck
[03:02] <jsgotangco> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sys/197962004.html
[03:02] <jsgotangco> hah
[03:03] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, giant casemod!
[03:03] <jsgotangco> heck yeah
[03:03] <jsgotangco> you will need a truck to pick it up though
[03:10] <Madpilot> Some kid just got attacked by a cougar...
[03:10] <Madpilot> In socialist British Columbia, pussy eat YOU!
[03:11] <LaserJock> heh
[03:11] <Madpilot> actually, the kid's at home recovering, so it was just a nibble, I guess
[03:13] <jsgotangco> wow cougars still exist in that part of the world?
[03:14] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I used to hunt them with my brother in the mountains behind our house
[03:14] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:14] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, Vancouver Island is one of the last great strongholds of them
[03:14] <jsgotangco> dont they attack people?
[03:15] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, mostly small children
[03:15] <LaserJock> I've heard of a fair amount of attacks in California too
[03:15] <jsgotangco> ahhh food chain
[03:15] <LaserJock> yeah, they really aren't that big
[03:15] <LaserJock> not like a bear or something
[03:15] <jsgotangco> the only thing i got to hunt before was wild boar
[03:16] <jsgotangco> and that's scary already
[03:21] <LaserJock> oh yeah
[03:21] <LaserJock> I've never done that, but I've seen a few videos
[09:00] <mdke> morning homies
[09:01] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[09:13] <nixternal> mornin' mdke ;)
[09:13] <nixternal> holy cow...2am already
[11:47] <glatzor> mdke: i have corrected the translation of dekstop guide. i will upload it this evening. but i have to fetch my bus. just to inform you.
[01:08] <mdke> bhuvan: the commit hook has been added and Ive requested that a bot be added to this channel
[01:09] <bhuvan> oh great, thank you!
[01:11] <mdke> bhuvan: thanks for the suggestion
[01:12] <bhuvan> mdke: np
[05:40] <mdke> bhuvan: at the moment there are no commit messages though, any idea why?
[05:40] <mdke> http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/Ubuntu%20Documentation
[05:43] <bhuvan> mdke: i dont see a bot join this channel.
[05:43] <bhuvan> mdke: it should be something like CIA-XX (XX = 2 digit numeral)
[05:43] <trappist> Ubugtu?
[05:44] <bhuvan> trappist: the bot we talk here is to send commit intimation to this channel
[05:44] <mdke> bhuvan: see that webpage, there are no log messages or details
[05:44] <mdke> the bot hasn't joined yet, that's a separate issue
[05:44] <bhuvan> oh yeah
[05:46] <mdke> gah, we still haven't scheduled a meeting
[05:46] <mdke> i wonder how a weekend would go down
[05:51] <jsgotangco> weekends are supposed to be fun ;)
[05:51] <bhuvan> but not all weekends :)
[06:07] <mdke> jsgotangco: how dare you suggest that meetings aren't fun
[06:07] <mdke> outrageous
[06:08] <jsgotangco> :P
[06:09] <nixternal> hehe...weekends are perfect for meetings ;)
[06:12] <mdke> I just want to get these licensing questions out of the way
[06:40] <nixternal> jsgotangco: whats up with the UWN team?  on LP that is?
[06:40] <jsgotangco> oh its something mgalvin did before
[06:40] <nixternal> hehe..i just now noticed it
[06:40] <jsgotangco> since mgalvin is MIA, we have no control ove rit
[06:41] <nixternal> anyone know the story behind him disappearing?  everything is alright I hope
[06:41] <nixternal> i heard someone say even his private stuff shut down..blog or something..can't remember exactly
[06:41] <mdke> holiday?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> no
[06:41] <jsgotangco> he moved to a new job
[06:42] <nixternal> ahhh...
[06:42] <jsgotangco> he's still online but some family stuff happened
[06:42] <Burgwork> the LP people can turn the team over to a new owner
[06:42] <jsgotangco> but he'll be back soonish
[06:42] <Burgwork> that is who I got the wiki and marketing teams
[06:42] <Burgwork> s/who/how
[06:42] <nixternal> or get rid of it, as the marketing team is doing the uwn now correct?
[06:43] <Burgwork> sure, that works
[06:43] <Burgwork> no need for all these little teams around
[06:56] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[06:57] <mdke> hi
[06:57] <bhuvan> i don't see the commit messages in #commits channel either
[06:57] <bhuvan> any idea, who setup the client script in our repo?
[06:58] <mdke> spads
[07:00] <bhuvan> we should confirm the url/repository path/project name/etc and file permission are setup properly
[07:00] <bhuvan> i would be glad to get a sample from subversion-dev team if you need one
[07:01] <mdke> you can poke him on irc, if it helps
[07:01] <bhuvan> ok. did you inform him this problem?
[07:01] <mdke> not yet
[07:01] <bhuvan> ok, i'll talk to him
[07:01] <mdke> thanks
[07:16] <bhuvan> mdke: i talked to Spads. He confirmed to fix the issue we face in 'log message'. he suggested to contact someone in #cia to forward the messages to #commits channel. later, we can contact<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to forward/redirect them to this channel! i'll take it up
[08:10] <trappist> hey that last commit had a commit message in the rss :)
[08:23] <nixternal> arg the patch cmd is making me mad
[09:37] <DonSc> hey.  Anyone around using Edgy that can help me test something?
[09:37] <crimsun> ...more specifically?
[09:38] <DonSc> Alacarte.  I'm trying to write some docs for it for GNOME
[09:38] <DonSc> It seems fairly broken to me.  Just wondering if it actually was, or whether I broke it somehow
[09:39] <crimsun> didn't seem very broken last I tried it (three months or so ago). See if you can catch Travis Watkins, aka "Amaranth", on irc.
[09:40] <LaserJock> he's been pretty busy the last couple weeks
[09:40] <crimsun> yeah, he's neck-deep in several significant projects
[09:41] <mdke> trappist: yeah, seems to be fixed :)
[09:44] <DonSc> :( .  All the buttons are broken for me
[11:35] <trappist> are we GNU/Linux people or just Linux (when referring to the whole shebang)
[11:36] <crimsun> what whole shebang?
[11:36] <trappist> the distribution.  is ubuntu a Linux distro or a GNU/Linux distro, policy-wise in the docs
[11:36] <crimsun> the former.
[11:37] <trappist> great.  do you know if that's documented anywhere?
[11:37] <trappist> I don't recall seeing it in the styleguide.
[11:39] <crimsun> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:39] <Burgwork> we try and avoid the whole issue
[11:39] <Burgwork> but, yes, if forced, we just use Linux
[11:39] <trappist> was just going through about-kubuntu.xml and it's full of GNU/Linux, which I hadn't run across before in the docs, is why I asked
[11:40] <crimsun> interesting, there's a nice blurb on (workaround for) the xorg-server issue on the front page of www.ubuntu.com
[11:40] <Burgwork> trappist, hmm, wonder who added that
[11:40] <crimsun> Kubuntu conceivably chose its own string
[11:40] <nixternal> i just found it interesting...chatting with the LUG people around here, some don't allow Ubuntu or talk about Ubuntu because we try to drop the whole Linux thing
[11:40] <nixternal> they say Ubuntu isnt' Linux
[11:40] <Burgwork> they are on crack
[11:40] <nixternal> they bring up an interesting point though
[11:41] <nixternal> i know we are linux, and so do they
[11:41] <Burgwork> we are Ubuntu
[11:41] <Burgwork> we are built on Linux. It is very important to establish our own brand
[11:41] <trappist> svn blame makes it look like jriddel
[11:42] <crimsun> if Kubuntu wants to use "GNU/Linux", that's fine by me
[11:42] <crimsun> as long as everything's consistent across subflavors
[11:42] <nixternal> but Ubuntu is still GNU/Linux no matter how you look it, and it seems that by us saying we are Ubuntu, nothing more and nothing less, has made them go ok, you dont' want to be linux, you want to be Ubuntu, then blah, then you aren't welcome in the LUG
[11:42] <Burgwork> right
[11:43] <Burgwork> I think GNU/Linux is akward
[11:43] <nixternal> thats ok by me, we have Ubuntu Chicago..we don't need no stinkin' LUG
[11:43] <nixternal> ;)
[11:43] <Burgwork> plus the reality is, the word Linux has won
[11:43] <nixternal> but right now, with Adam and the Chicago LUG, we are actually working on some collaboration stuff that started today
[11:43] <Burgwork> yep
[11:43] <nixternal> so we might be expanding our horizons here and possibly becoming Ubuntu-Illinois with sub chapters
[11:44] <Burgwork> you will discover that there are a lot of oldschool Linux users who simply will not change
[11:44] <nixternal> ;)
[11:44] <nixternal> since 1994/95 it has been GNU/Linux for me ;)
[11:45] <trappist> I wish somebody would just replace the GNU tools so we can drop the whole matter once and for all.
[11:45] <crimsun> frankly, my stance is that if you have time to argue over the syntax, you're not using that time to live the mantra of social responsibility. Put your time where your mouth is, not the other way around.
[11:45] <nixternal> good point
[11:45] <Burgwork> indeed
[11:45] <crimsun> (If you don't believe in social responsibility, why in the world do care about Freedom?)
[11:45] <crimsun> do you, rather
[11:46] <nixternal> i will point that out to the "offending LUG"
[11:46] <nixternal> funny thing, they call themselve UFO, users of free operating systems
[11:46] <nixternal> heh..
[11:46] <trappist> so, for the docs, has someone made the decision that kubuntu is GNU/Linux and I should leave it alone?
[11:46] <nixternal> they have banned<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and others from posting to their list
[11:47] <Burgwork> are you serious?
[11:47] <trappist> that's just ridiculous.
[11:47] <Burgwork> trappist, I think it shoudl be consistent
[11:47] <nixternal> ya, because i now get the email saying im banned from the list
[11:47] <trappist> Burgwork: I tend to agree.
[11:47] <Burgwork> kubuntu uses gnu/linux
[11:47] <Burgwork> kubuntu.org, that is
[11:47] <nixternal> i sent one email asking for info and boom thats what i got
[11:48] <nixternal> i think it should be consistant as well, whats good for the goose is good for the gander
[11:48] <trappist> bleh.  so which one should the docs be consistent with?  who's authoritative on that?
[11:49] <Burgwork> I would think consistent across a particular project is fine
[11:49] <crimsun> trappist: there's no reason it has to be one way for all of them.
[11:49] <trappist> I think the docs should be consistent across flavors, but I'm hesitant to step on anyone's toes by changing it if there's no consensus
[11:49] <crimsun> I agree w/ Corey
[11:49] <trappist> gotcha
[11:50] <crimsun> (meaning I think it's fine if Ubuntu uses "Linux" and Kubuntu uses "GNU/Linux")
[11:50] <trappist> that's not my opinion, but it makes sense
[11:50] <trappist> crimsun: right
[11:52] <trappist> hrm.  there's about 60 instances of GNU/Linux in trunk/ubuntu
[11:53] <trappist> seems most of them refer to Debian though
[11:58] <crimsun> yeah, that has to stay ("Debian GNU/Linux")
[12:00] <LaserJock> do non-debian based distro's worry about this?
[12:01] <LaserJock> I've run lots of distros and Ubuntu/Debian is the first one that I've heard of this
[12:06] <Burgwork> not really
[12:06] <Burgwork> most distros refer to it as Linux
[12:10] <nixternal> Linux and GNU/Linux are the same thing anyways...Linux is cleaner looking than GNU/Linux imho
[12:11] <nixternal> rock, paper, scissors, or pull from a hat to select the one to use ;)


[11:40] <sridhar> Hi, everybody
[11:44] <sridhar> Iam creating live-come-install for my own distro, so that iam using ubiquity in my CD, by using ubiquity, while creating new partition, iam getting the error like " No root file system is defined Please correct this from the partitioning menu" But i gave the / in the file system combo manually. How do i rectify that????  plz
[12:45] <sridhar> hi, while running that partman in shell, its showing "No root file system No root file system is defined Please correct this from partitioning menu" Plz tell me how to rectify that ??????
[12:46] <cjwatson> please (a) describe exactly what you are doing in the partitioner (b) put /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman up for download somewhere
[12:47] <cjwatson> and please also use fewer question marks; six consecutive question marks are not necessary :)
[13:26] <sridhar> cjwatson: i posted my syslog and partman in "http://pastebin.ca/790510 ,http://pastebin.ca/790522"
[13:26] <sridhar> http://pastebin.ca/790522
[13:27] <cjwatson> #
[13:27] <cjwatson> Nov 20 16:00:52 live ubiquity: /lib/partman/definitions.sh: line 155: /lib/partman/choose_partition/>: No such file or directory
[13:27] <cjwatson> err
[13:28] <sridhar> cjwatson: but it is there in my system
[13:28] <cjwatson> #
[13:28] <cjwatson> /lib/partman/free_space/50new/do_option: IN: NEW_PARTITION =dev=sda ext2<PHONE_NUMBER>60-145069263359 Beginning
[13:29] <cjwatson> something is rather broken there
[13:29] <cjwatson> sridhar: I'm willing to bet that a file called "/lib/partman/choose_partition/>" (note the >) does not exist on your system
[13:30] <cjwatson> http://pastebin.ca/790522 is not a complete partman log
[13:31] <sridhar> yes, that site accepts only 15000 bytes, that why i put the final error
[13:31] <cjwatson> I cannot help without the full log
[13:31] <sridhar> can i send it to your mail?
[13:32] <cjwatson> it looks like something in the ubiquity<->partman interface has got out of step; it's inserted the disk name instead of the new partition type (primary/logical)
[13:32] <cjwatson> sridhar: no, but you can file a bug
[13:32] <cjwatson> (if you mail me personally, it will likely get lost in the huge volume of mail I get)
[13:34] <sridhar> it is installing without having any problem, if iam having a  ext3 filesystem. iam getting problem only, while creating a new partition
[13:35] <cjwatson> please file a bug and attach the files I requested
[13:35] <sridhar> ya, i will do
[17:16] <soren> If a d-i component (user-setup-apply in this case) does an exit 1, that will be very obvious in that installer, right?
[19:24] <cjwatson> soren: it'll show up in syslog, yes
[19:25] <cjwatson> and will result in a red-screen-of-death
[19:25] <cjwatson> (perhaps more visibly)
[19:25] <soren> I thought so.
[19:25] <cjwatson> let me guess what you're tracing
[19:25] <soren> :)
[19:26] <cjwatson> the user got created, so [ -n "$USER" ] must be true
[19:26] <cjwatson> so the only ways for this to happen are (a) cosmic rays (b) passwd/root-login is false
[19:27] <cjwatson> (or conceivably (c) bust sudo)
[19:27] <soren> It really doesn't add up.
[19:27] <cjwatson> but root-login defaults to true and is only asked at medium and this is where I got stuck
[19:28] <soren> The particularly odd thing is that not selecting the mail server task allegedly fixes it.
[19:28] <cjwatson> I think that's a red herring personally
[19:28] <soren> me too.
[19:28] <cjwatson> it wasn't at all clear that it wasn't simply "next time through the installer, it didn't happen"
[19:28] <soren> root-login defaults to false, though, doesn't it?
[19:28] <soren> cjwatson: Preceisly.
[19:28] <cjwatson> err, sorry, I transposed false and true above
[19:29] <cjwatson> I wonder if they were installing to an existing partition. The installer doesn't make that easy though
[19:29] <cjwatson> did the reviewer get back with syslog by any chance?
[19:29] <soren> cjwatson: No.
[19:29] <cjwatson> I think that might be the only way we'll trace this
[19:29] <soren> I found a new bug about this. Don't know if you noticed I assigned it to the installer-team a couple of hours ago.
[19:29] <cjwatson> but it needs somebody to contact us *before* they nuke the machine
[19:29] <cjwatson> I didn't
[19:30] <soren> It links to a different thread on the forums explaining the exact same problem, only slightly more details.
[19:30] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-setup/+bug/162638
[19:30] <soren> ...sorry, I didn't reassign it to you, I reassigned it to user-setup, so you got subscribed.
[19:30] <cjwatson> now *that* guy said he repaired it in-place
[19:30] <cjwatson> I'll ask for details
[19:31] <soren> If he can log in in rescue mode...
[19:32] <soren> Er..
[19:32] <soren> I'm not sure how to finish that sentence :)
[19:32] <cjwatson> all he needs to have done is not trashed the install
[19:32] <soren> It drops you to a root shell if what?
[19:32] <soren> root has a disabled password?
[19:32] <cjwatson> what, rescue mode?
[19:32] <cjwatson> he means d-i's rescue mode
[19:33] <cjwatson> which ignores auth altogether
[19:33] <soren> Oh, I thought he meant recovery mode.
[19:33] <soren> I might(!) be making this up, but I seem to remember that someone said that that didn't work.
[19:33] <cjwatson> that drops you to a shell if root's password is disabled, yes
[19:33] <cjwatson> which it probably is here
[19:34] <soren> In which case a proper root account must have been created.
[19:35] <soren> I can't find any reference to that sort of thing, so I seem to have made that up. forget it. :)
[19:37] <cjwatson> I've posted a plea for help to the forums too
[19:37] <soren> Yes, I've seen it.
[19:38]  * cjwatson wgets the server CD
[19:38] <soren> I've tried to reproduce it 5-6 times, Rick and Nick have probably tried 20 times each. No luck.
[19:44] <cjwatson> the forums thread mentions postfix too ...
[19:44] <soren> Which one?
[19:45] <soren> Oh... So it does.
[19:45] <cjwatson> the one referred to in that bug
[19:45] <cjwatson> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3807132
[19:46] <cjwatson> it's not that it's impossible for the mail-server task to break this
[19:46] <soren> cjwatson: well, that might just be because he chose to not configure postfix during installation. The failed sudo attempt will try to send an e-mail about it, but if postfix isn't configured at all, I suppose that's the error you'll see.
[19:46] <cjwatson> it's just that it'd be perverse
[19:46] <soren> Quite.
[19:47] <cjwatson> "NoodleSmythe" says 'When installing the mail server components, I can't "sudo". If I do an install just without the mail components, sudo works a treat.'
[19:47] <soren> As you said, it might just be a case of "next time through the installer, it didn't happen"
[19:47]  * soren is starving
[19:47] <soren> bbl. I need food.
[19:47] <cjwatson> yeah, I just stop believing that when lots of people say it
[19:48] <soren> ..and I made the mistake of introducing my wife to facebook, so she's.. Um.. busy.
[19:48] <soren> cjwatson: I thought of that, too, but the scenario might be: "Oh, it broke. I'll look on Google. Oh, this guys says to not install the mail stuff." and then everything works.
[19:48] <cjwatson> mm
[19:50]  * soren wanders off to the kitchen
[19:51] <cjwatson> also bug 158952
[19:51] <cjwatson> which has recent activity - I've asked for the logs there too
[19:52] <cjwatson> (googled for "ubuntu 7.10 server sudo syslog" and found that)
[20:29] <soren> Uh, interesting!
[20:32] <cjwatson> ?
[20:33] <soren> That bug report.
[20:33] <soren> It's got actual information in it.
[20:42] <cjwatson> ah, yes. though I don't think it's helpful as it happens
[20:43] <soren> Oh?
[20:43] <cjwatson> which bit do you think helps?
[20:44] <evand> yikes
[20:44] <soren> Well, he says it's 100% reproducable and shows a bit of syslog that suggests that the installer doesn't bail out at some point.
[20:44] <cjwatson> true
[20:44] <soren> ..and he was online 7 hours ago, so there's a good chance we can get a hold of him.
[20:45] <cjwatson> indeed
[20:49] <soren> user-setup is run after the tasksel bits, I presume?
[20:50] <soren> user-setup-apply, that is.
[20:56] <evand> yes, iirc
[20:56] <soren> Oh... Hang on.
[20:58] <soren> is it possible that one of the maintainer scripts for one of the packages in the mail server task manages to set a USER environment variable and that makes its way into user-setup-apply?
[20:58] <evand> to elaborate, my understanding is that finish-install comes after pkgsel
[20:58] <soren> No..
[20:58] <soren> evand: And finish-install calls user-setup-apply?
[20:58] <evand> no?
[20:58] <evand> finish-install calls everything in finish-install.d
[20:58] <soren> no to my crack-pot hypothesis.
[20:59] <evand> which user-setup-apply gets called from
[20:59] <evand> so yes
[20:59] <soren> Alright.
[20:59] <evand> cjwatson: can you confirm I'm not filling soren's head with lies
[21:00] <soren> evand: You seem to be correct.
[21:00] <evand> I'm 99% certain
[21:05] <soren> sudo is in ubuntu-minimal, so it'd get installed even if not from user-setup-apply.
[21:06] <cjwatson> that's correct, and environment variables can't propagate from underneath tasksel to user-setup-apply
[21:06] <cjwatson> main-menu
[21:06] <cjwatson>  \-- base-installer --- (...) --- sudo.postinst
[21:06] <cjwatson> \-- pkgsel --- tasksel
[21:06] <cjwatson> \-- user-setup --- user-setup-apply
[21:07] <cjwatson> err, except that's finish-install --- user-setup-apply, sorry
[21:07] <evand> heh, I was just going to say
[21:07] <soren> Yeah,but still separate processes, clearly.
[21:07] <cjwatson> evand: you are correct
[21:07] <cjwatson> soren: right
[21:07] <evand> thanks
[21:40]  * soren chuckles
[21:41] <soren> Have we ever gotten any bug reports about people wondering why their full name got mangled to either Frans Pop or Martin Michlmayr?
[21:44] <evand> haha
[23:18] <cjwatson> aha!
[23:18] <cjwatson> Nov 20 20:23:43 user-setup: newaliases: fatal: open /etc/postfix/main.cf: No such file or directory
[23:18] <cjwatson> Nov 20 20:23:43 finish-install: warning: /usr/lib/finish-install.d/06user-setup returned error code 75
[23:19] <cjwatson> evand: do you have a user-setup merge in progress already?
[23:39] <cjwatson> evand: can't find one on LP, so I'll just do it now
[23:43] <soren> cjwatson: Ah, so if the user chooses to not configure postfix..
[23:44] <soren> cjwatson: and user-setup checks if newaliases exists and is executable..
[23:44] <cjwatson> right
[23:44] <soren> Of course.
[23:44] <soren> How could I have missed that?
[23:44] <cjwatson> I missed it too
[23:44] <cjwatson> fix in progress
[23:44] <soren> \o/
[23:46] <soren> ...doesn't the installer give any feedback about it failing miserably?
[23:47] <cjwatson> I have just realised that of course finish-install.d scripts don't do that
[23:48] <cjwatson> it can be difficult for some of them because it might be after the point of no return
[23:49] <soren> I see.
[23:49] <soren> So if installing sudo at around line 166 fails, and sudoers doesn't get created at all, that won't give any feedback either?
[23:49] <cjwatson> I think it might be a good idea to change that but it's an API change and I'd like to think about it
[23:49] <soren> ..that was my originial hypothesis.
[23:50] <cjwatson> right, but as you observed that's impossible since it's part of ubuntu-minimal
[23:50] <cjwatson> (in our case)
[23:50] <soren> True.
[23:51] <cjwatson> I've made a note to follow up at some point
[23:52] <soren> Hmm... Well, I suppose we can conclude that most of the stuff called in finish-install is quite solid since we've never encountered this before :)


[00:40] <jayjo-> compdoc: I'm using ubuntu 20.04 as both the kvm host and a LAN machine to connect via qemu+ssh (separate machines)
[00:41] <jayjo-> I've been trying since last week to use the memstick installer so I have no GUI at all, just the serial console. But I haven't been able to get that to work virtualized. It does work just installing it on the host (no ubuntu).
[00:52] <jayjo-> I had believed that with virtualiztion the booting machine could have no idea it was virtualized.
[01:03] <sarnold> yeah, you haven't noticed yet you're virtualized anyway :)
[01:03]  * sarnold runs
[01:11] <jayjo-> oh no, now I don't know what to believe. I have some thinking to do
[01:12] <sarnold> oh that reminds me, I intended to paste this after running, but then got distracted
[01:12] <sarnold> https://www.mitre.org/sites/default/files/pdf/11_4921.pdf
[01:12] <sarnold> "New Results for Timing-Based Attestation"
[04:39] <ruben23> hi guys any idea how to resolved this issue --------> i run this ( lsblk ) i get this error ---> No command 'lsblk' found, did you mean:  Command 'lslk' from package 'lslk' (universe) lsblk: command not found
[04:39] <ruben23> are there any alternative command line this for Ubuntu server somehow
[05:07] <cpaelzer> ruben23: lsblk is part of util-linux which is essential and usually installed, but worth to check
[05:07] <cpaelzer> ruben23: what does "ls -laF /bin/lsblk" and "dpkg -l util-linux" give you?
[05:11] <ruben23>  cpaelzer:  ---> https://pastebin.com/3PD3KaqE
[05:12] <ruben23> my ubuntu server version is this ---> Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS \n \l
[05:20] <cpaelzer> that is slightly old :-)
[05:21] <cpaelzer> ruben23: maybe lsblk didn't exist yet back then?
[05:23] <cpaelzer> ruben23: yep no trace of lsblk in 2.17.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[05:23] <cpaelzer> you might consider upgrading for about a decade of new software :-)
[06:12] <maret> Hi everyone, quick question. I am trying to setup a ftp server on Ubuntu and I can connect to it through command line but I can't via filezilla. Not sure why. Here is output from filezilla with vsftpd config , thank you! https://pastebin.com/SNTrG8Bp
[11:46] <maret> Hi everyone, quick question. I am trying to setup a ftp server on Ubuntu and I can connect to it through command line but I can't via filezilla. Not sure why. Here is output from filezilla with vsftpd config , thank you! https://pastebin.com/SNTrG8Bp
[11:48] <mgedmin> maret: what's the network topology?  is there NAT going on between your client and your server?
[11:49] <mgedmin> did the command-line client try to use passive mode or active mode?
[11:49] <mgedmin> (and why on Earth would you be using FTP in the year of luigi 2020?)
[11:55] <maret> heh fair enough
[12:18] <RoyK> maret: if possible, just use scp, sftp or rsync over ssh (the default for rsync the last 15 years or so). It just works
[12:19] <RoyK> maret: ftp is old and just crappy
[12:24] <lordievader> Plus scp or rsync over ssh is so much easier
[12:24] <RoyK> indeed and in case of traversing nat, it's no problem at all. ftp really sucks at nat, especially if ssl/tls is involved
[13:35] <teward> RoyK: I think the only case of me having FTP in any location on my network was for an archive mirror lol.   How do I tell apt to download the new apparmor configs/policies?
[14:53] <shubjero> coreycb, perhaps you know?
[15:21] <tomreyn> shubjero: sudo apt install --reinstall -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confask,confnew,confmiss" <list-of-apparmor-related-packages-you-updated>
[15:22] <RoyK> teward: those mirrors can use http as well, so no need for ftp there either ;)
[18:34] <jayjo-> is there a way to boot directly from a USB using virt-manager and ubuntu as the KVM host? The best reference I could find says to first do everything as if an ISO installation, and then add the USB device via an edit: https://tails.boum.org/doc/advanced_topics/virtualization/virt-manager/index.en.html#index5h1 - tails is just an installation reference I found
[18:37] <sarnold> jayjo-: btw, have you seen the cloud images? they're pre-made installs, all you have to do is write some cloud-init data to configure the guest before you start using it
[18:37] <RoyK> jayjo-: I guess the easiest is to just dd if=/dev/(that usb thing) of=someimagefile bs=1M and just name that image file for boot
[18:37] <sarnold> jayjo-: I don't know what you're trying to do, but it sounds suspiciously like "I want to install an ubuntu"
[18:54] <jayjo-> I'm still trying to install the memstick pfsense serial installation on my ubuntu desktop. I've now tested quite a few OS installations with VNC, they seem to work without issues. So I created a pfsense usb stick, I wonder if using the whole disk instead of the .img file will help. I also created a tails usb to test booting from directly, as well
[19:00] <sarnold> jayjo-: aha, dang, then our cloud images won't help any..
[19:00] <RoyK> jayjo-: pfsense is freebsd, btw, not linux, but just use the image file with virt-manager
[19:57] <teward> RoyK: true, but legacy crap is legacy so >.>
[19:57] <teward> I use http/https xD
[19:59] <teward> jayjo-: weren't you here before about issues with the memstick serial installer?  And I sent you to #pfsense ?
[21:21] <jayjo-> yes, that was me :/ in my defense 1) I did go; their advice was mainly to use VNC (which I have) or to not virtualize it, and 2) i thought it had been long enough that you may not notice