[09:20] <ravenous> yankee: well you've got the same problem you did before with the livecd, text mode isnt going to fix anything, its not detecting your monitor settings probably, you need to sudo dpkg reconfigure xserver-xorg and input them manually
[09:20] <ravenous> !resolution
[09:20] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type this in a console: sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  -  To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:20] <Phoenix92x> I really don't understand why no one will respond to me at all
[09:20] <ravenous> or check this out
[09:20] <ravenous> Phoenix92x: because nobody here thats active probably uses the program
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> Ive never used it.
[09:21] <ravenous> nor have i
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> i tend to use 'grip' to rip my cd's to mp3/oggs
[09:21] <Phoenix92x> grip?
[09:21] <mau> ciao ci sono italiani?
[09:21] <Phoenix92x> allrighty, I'll give that a shot then
[09:21] <ravenous> !it
[09:21] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:21] <Phoenix92x> do Cd rippers in general need root permissions to do their work properly?
[09:21] <slaxy> hi guys... kubuntu-desktop is getting installed on ubuntu right now... before it started the installation it did ask.. which DM would you like to select.... and i had to go for kdm.... guess DM can be anything... and the windows session can be selected... anyway let me have a look.. will update soon...
[09:22] <ravenous> Phoenix92x: mine do
[09:22] <mau> Scusa, sono un dilettante
[09:22] <Phoenix92x> ravenous: how do I give a cd ripper root permissions?
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  from just running kaudiocreater - seems ya need to set up what encoder to use at the first run. and its HIGHLY possible it cant find the cd due to the path or permissions.
[09:22] <slaxy> brb restart
[09:23] <ravenous> Phoenix92x: beyond me but you'd have to chmod the program to give user permissions probably, i just use sudo/kdesu myself
[09:23] <aliasfred> !it
[09:23] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:23] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: it sees the cd and can read the tracks, and has grabbed the information from CDDB. But when I hit "rip" it just sits there and everything stays at 0%, doesnt even give me an error
[09:24] <Diabolic> I can't find out how to change the speed of my mouse (touchpad) or disabling clicking by clicking the touchpad.  Anyone know how?
[09:24] <yankee> oh... another short thing:(It is my first time with kubuntu): It would be useful to install an ssh-server so I can copy&paste... But well... how do I do that...? I tried "sudo apt-get install sshd" but nothing happend at all
[09:24] <jdong_> yankee: sudo apt-get install ssh
[09:24] <jdong_> it's actually openssh-server if you want to be really nerdy :)
[09:24] <jdong_> but ssh will do just fine
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  run it from a terminal see if any messages show up
[09:25] <Phoenix92x> good idea, will do
[09:25] <lotusleaf> jdong_: hi :) nice to see a new version of checkinstall and krusader appear ;)
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  its working fine for me.
[09:25] <lzap> well, GNOME has very nice OSD on my ThinkPad laptop when I change volume. does KDE have something like this?
[09:25] <jdong_> lotusleaf: :)
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  also you may have to isntall some encoders or other tools for it to use.
[09:25] <yankee> jdong: ok :-). But it is still the same, that nothing happens... Not the question that I am used to from apt-get whether I want to install the selected packet or even no error-message...
[09:25] <lotusleaf> jdong_: you efforts are appreciated by many
[09:26] <jdong_> yankee: you mean you type it at a konsole and get no response??
[09:26] <dhq> hey all
[09:26] <yankee> right... Well it asks me for a password...
[09:26] <ravenous> Diabolic: if your lucky and its a synaptics touckpad installing 'ksynaptics' will give you an icon in the tray to do all that with, if its an alps touchpad im afraid its harder and ive yet to figure it out (i have an alps)
[09:26] <ravenous> yankee: so type in your password
[09:26] <yankee> If I remember correctly I give a blank passwort...
[09:26] <jdong_> and after giving it a password nothing happens?
[09:26] <nomad411> Hi.. is anyone here running 6/06 on a macbook?
[09:26] <jdong_> your password cannot be blank :-/
[09:27] <jdong_> sudo will not like it
[09:27] <yankee> oh... mine? Because I never set a root-pw during installation, I think...
[09:27] <ravenous> yankee: yes yours
[09:27] <jdong_> yes, your password
[09:27] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: I have FLAC installed from synaptic. I'm trying to get it to use FLAC. It tells me a job has started, but there's a little green pause button next to it and nothing actually happens.
[09:27] <now3d> thanks for the default topic!
[09:27] <jdong_> there is no root password in ubuntu
[09:27] <yankee> ahh... that works :-)
[09:27] <jdong_> :)
[09:27] <Phoenix92x> nothing comes up in terminal as to there being a problem
[09:27] <lotusleaf> there is no spoon
[09:27] <Diabolic> ravenous: How can I find out what kind it is?
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  click the jobs tab and see what it says?     using oggenc right now and its working
[09:28] <lotusleaf> jdong_: with the new checkinstall, installwatch is no longer needed?
[09:28] <jdong_> lotusleaf: correct, new checkinstall includes installwatch
[09:28] <lotusleaf> jdong_: really? Awesome, thanks, I noticed it removed installwatch when it upgraded. :)
[09:28] <jdong_> yes, really :)
[09:28] <aka_foley> how to find german support??
[09:29] <trappist> !de
[09:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:29] <Phoenix92x> the jobs queue says "job 1, progress 0%, description (trackname), there's a ittle green pause button next to it. On the bottom it says Ripping (1 active, 0 queued)
[09:29] <Phoenix92x> and I was trying that with oggenc
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> !de
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> lol - !lag
[09:29] <ravenous> Diabolic: *shrug* im sure you could find it somewhere in thle xorg config or something, i just installed ksynaptics and when it didnt work i uninstalled
[09:29] <Diabolic> :))
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  you did select all the tracks?
[09:30] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: I'm just trying one right now
[09:30] <Phoenix92x> but I've tried a few, it won't do any of them
[09:30] <ravenous> Diabolic: its listed somewhere thats how i figured it out it was alps but it was in gnome's device manager and i dont know the kde equivlent
[09:30] <Phoenix92x> also, Dr_Willis, do you see anywhere where one can select the quality of a rip?
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  its all udder the settings for whatever encoder you want to use.
[09:31] <Diabolic> ravenous: It seems like it's synaptics.
[09:31] <ravenous> Diabolic: well id just give ksynaptics and install then and hope for the best ;)
[09:32] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: when I hit configure for that all I get are "name" "command line" and "extension" as options
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  also dont mount the cd when you pop it in the drive.. i hit 'cancel' when that window poped uo.
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  yes.. so tweak the command line to be what you want to change the ogg options you want. :P
[09:33] <ravenous> Phoenix92x: the quality etc has to be under the command line options of the encoding program
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> that cd rip was fast. ..
[09:33] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: I'm going to try it again being sure to not mount it
[09:34] <lotusleaf> Has anyone else noticed in kde 3.5.4 running kcalc via alt-f2 sometimes crashes kicker?
[09:34] <Phoenix92x> gah it's still not doing anything
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> make syre ya got oggenc installed. :)
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> since it aparently lets ya select encoders and tools you dont have installed
[09:40] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: can you see if you can get it working using Lame?
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> using flac right now. :P
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> on my 2nd cd
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> try a 'sudo apt-get install flac' and see if you got flac installed.
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> !info oggtools
[09:40] <ubotu> Package oggtools does not exist in any distro I know
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> !search oggenc
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install vorbis-tools
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> for the ogg  encoder and tools.
[09:42] <Phoenix92x> flac is installed
[09:42] <Phoenix92x> lame is installed
[09:42] <Phoenix92x> oggenc is installed
[09:42] <miba76> any one speak ger, need help
[09:42] <miba76> hi all
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> Neit.
[09:42] <h3sp4wn>  !de
[09:42] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait thats russian. :)
[09:42] <leo690> oip[ujh
[09:42] <miba76> thx
[09:44] <Phoenix92x> I'm really confused as to what the problem could be
[09:44] <nonickname> what library is X_CreatePixmap in?
[09:44] <yankee> mhhh... is it possible, that I do not have kde installed (the installationprogram did not ask me...)
[09:44] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  run it from a terminal and see if any messages are printed out.
[09:45] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: should I that normally or sudo?
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  it could be the device for the cdrom is incorect.
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> run it normally for a start
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> if it works with sudo. but not a user --> implies a permission issue.
[09:46] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: nothing happens, when the program starts it spits out ScimInputContextPlugin()
[09:46] <Zamboulie> i can't play mp3
[09:46] <Phoenix92x> nothing else happens at all
[09:46] <Zamboulie> someone help
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> !Mp3
[09:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  is it even looking up the cd/song names?
[09:49] <Diabolic> ravenous: Is the fact that my settings doesn't seem to take effect a bad sign? :P
[09:49] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: yes, it gets the song names from CDDB and gets them right
[09:49] <RawSewage> Phoenix92x, did you try playing it off your hard drive
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  i checked the box's in the config tha auto rips. then auto ejects.. :P
[09:50] <Xcalibur> yo
[09:50] <ravenous> Diabolic: yeah, you've probably got an alps ;) what kinda laptop?
[09:50] <Phoenix92x> RawSewage: how can I do that? the songs are on the CD. I'm trying to get them onto the hard drive
[09:50] <RawSewage> just drag them into a folder on your hard drive
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> its ripping, and encodeing and spitting them out almost as fast as i cn put them in. :)
[09:50] <Diabolic> ravenous: Dell Latitude D400.
[09:51] <Xcalibur> I have fips in my c drive in a folder caled fips, I boot to MS-DOS, to load it, how do I navigate to the directory
[09:51] <Xcalibur> I treid cd c:\fips
[09:51] <Xcalibur> no luck
[09:51] <ravenous> Diabolic: mine's a dell too, so im pretty sure you've got alps ;/ ive searched everywhere with about 1500 different answers .. i just wanted to disable tap heh
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> try the dir command to see whats there.
[09:51] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: I tried te same thing, it looks them up, says "7 jobs have been started" and nothing happens
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> is your c: a NTFS partition?
[09:52] <Xcalibur> no
[09:52] <Xcalibur> FAT32
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  the jobs tab dont say anything about whats its doing
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> Xcalibur,  what Sort of DOS did you boot to?
[09:52] <Phoenix92x> it just sits there and next to description there's a little green pause button
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> the older dos cant read them
[09:52] <Xcalibur> DOS 6.22
[09:52] <Diabolic> ravenous: Hehe, me too.  It get's me crazy.  And my arm hurts because of the low sensitivity :(
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> Xcalibur,  thats your problem
[09:52] <Diabolic> s/get's/gets/
[09:52] <Xcalibur> I think thats the newest right?
[09:52] <Xcalibur> what I do?
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> its the latest of the old dos. :P
[09:53] <Xcalibur> well, what dos do i get then?
[09:53] <ravenous> you need a windows boot disk, not dos
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> it still cant read fat32  No idea if they ever upgraded/came out with some ads on
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> Xcalibur,  what are you TRYING To do? whats fips anyway?
[09:53] <Xcalibur> it's a partition splitter
[09:53] <Xcalibur> unless there is a better one?
[09:53] <Dr_Willis> MANY better ones out.
[09:53] <Xcalibur> ok
[09:54] <Xcalibur> shoot
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> a live cd+gparted is the best ive found
[09:54] <RawSewage> Whats a common thing to backup daily
[09:54] <Xcalibur> well, is it under 700MB
[09:54] <Xcalibur> ?
[09:54] <Xcalibur> I only have a CD bruner
[09:54] <Xcalibur> burner*
[09:54] <Dr_Willis> theres a great many live cd's that have gparted/qtparted/parted on them
[09:54] <RawSewage> Which folder, besides my Home folder, should I back up daily?
[09:55] <Dr_Willis> tomsbrt is one  thats like 200mb.   What should I back up in /home
[09:55] <Xcalibur> what I do next then?
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> RawSewage,  your firefox cache is not worth backing up. :P
[09:56] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: any ideas as to what I should do? this is driving me nuts
[09:56] <RawSewage> what should I backup outside of /home
[09:56] <RawSewage> I have a few MySQL databases
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  nope..   check dmesg output perhaps.
[09:56] <Xcalibur> DR_Willis: what should my next step be?
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> Xcalibur,  the Kubuntu install cd - has partiionng tools on it as well..
[09:57] <Xcalibur> it does?, enough to split my partition?
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> Xcalibur,  so download/burn a live cd  that has the tools and boot it.
[09:57] <notech> tried grip to rip cd's to ogg?
[09:57] <Xcalibur> like Gentoo Live Cd?
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> It can resize partitions. Not sure what you mean by 'split'
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> Not sure what gentoo has on it any more
[09:57] <Xcalibur> make 1 partition into 2
[09:57] <Xcalibur> not resize
[09:57] <Dr_Willis> Xcalibur,  thats not my definition of 'split' :)
[09:57] <Xcalibur> lol
[09:57] <Xcalibur> ok
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> what kind of partitions you talking about?
[09:58] <Xcalibur> I'll try the kubuntu CD
[09:58] <Xcalibur> what tool i use?
[09:58] <Xcalibur> on kubuntu
[09:58] <RawSewage> anyone using backupninja
[09:59] <RawSewage> I dont know anything about backing up
[09:59] <Xcalibur> ask the roming gnome
[09:59] <Xcalibur> lol
[09:59] <Xcalibur> from travolocity
[09:59] <Xcalibur> lol
[09:59] <RawSewage> !backupninja
[09:59] <ubotu> backupninja: lightweight, extensible meta-backup system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2-3 (dapper), package size 67 kB, installed size 392 kB
[09:59] <Xcalibur> !fips
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fips - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:00] <fdoving> backupninja rocks :)
[10:00] <Xcalibur> !partition
[10:00] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted  -  Formatting partitions: see the manual page for mkfs ("man mkfs")  -  Mounting partitions in Gnome: System -> Administration -> Disks
[10:00] <Xcalibur> ok
[10:00] <RawSewage> fdoving, ok good
[10:00] <Xcalibur> well, I am gonna go try the kubuntu Cd
[10:04] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: in all oddness, a different app called "ripperx" works flawlessly, I havn't a clue why
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> Phoenix92x,  see what cd device its using?
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> wow flac files are large. :P
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> but compared to the .wav i guess they are small.
[10:05] <Phoenix92x> Dr_Willis: lol ya flacs are huge, but they sound beautiful
[10:05] <RawSewage> I have no idea what im doing with backupninja
[10:06] <RawSewage> oh ninjahelper
[10:06] <sdlnxgk> anyone using digital speakers with sound blaster ???
[10:07] <_lupine>  is the guy who was looking for 'ar' still here?
[10:07] <_lupine>  it's in binutils
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> sdlnxgk,  yes. :)
[10:08] <_lupine> ...oops
[10:08] <Phoenix92x> Dr_willis, how do I check that? which cd device its using I mean
[10:08] <RawSewage> this is weird
[10:08] <RawSewage> ninjahelper is a terminal program, but you can click options with the mouse
[10:09] <Diabolic> ravenous: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78904
[10:09] <Pepe> Hello. I try install kubuntu 6, but, boot hangs on "starting enterprise volume management system" whats the matter ?
[10:09] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis where are the settings for the digital speakers???
[10:09] <Diabolic> ravenous: Haven't tried it yet, but feedback indicates it has helped.
[10:10] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis couldn't find a digital setting anywhere :(
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> sdlnxgk,  i used the alsamixer i though to enable it.. actually it was enabled by default i think. :P
[10:11] <ravenous> Diabolic: yeah im gonna take a look from what it says  they work alot with the wrong driver
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> sdlnxgk,  what sound card you got exactly?
[10:12] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis cool will give that a show went from anolog to digital so might need some kicking to get it to work but will give it a try... Thanks
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> sdlnxgk,  kmix, has a 'switches' tab that has a button for it as well
[10:13] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis I have the sound blaster live value
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> but i cant seem to turn it off.. :P to prove it does anything Lol
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> wife has one of those in her xp box. :P
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> I got an Audigy2Zs
[10:13] <sdlnxgk> might be time for an upgrade sound card  :)
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> i got more sliders and controlls and switches in the mixer then i know what to do with.
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> sdlnxgk,  the audigy2's are getting cheap now that  those Newer cards are out.
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> But really - this card will last me a LONG time. :P
[10:14] <mikim> hey all
[10:14] <mikim> i have a question
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> i even got a remote - but not sure how to make that work in linux.
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> "We got answers.." (tm)
[10:15] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis  thanks for the info will rehook my digi speakers in a minute and give it a try!!
[10:15] <mikim> why when i requesting ubuntu i have messege: This request was not approved, so no CDs were shipped???
[10:15] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis thanks for your help
[10:16] <VincentMX> mikim: maybe you ordered too many cd's
[10:16] <mikim> i order only 25 CD ;?
[10:16] <mikim> :/
[10:16] <mikim> *
[10:16] <VincentMX> have you got any reason for this amount of cd's?
[10:16] <mikim> 10 kubuntu 10 ubuntu 5 edubuntu
[10:17] <VincentMX> have you got any reason for this amount of cd's?
[10:17] <adz21c_> Hi, wondering if someone could help me with an issue. I seem to be having an issue with sound. Teamspeak doesn't seem to pick up sound information (just mutes mic and output) also I seem to fail cedega audio tests. To solve this I found I can delete /var/lib/alsa/asound.state then reboot and everything works. However after rebooting a second time teamspeak and cedega fail again, same fix solves this, but frankly it's getting ann
[10:17] <adz21c_> g this?
[10:18] <mikim> what is amount?
[10:18] <mikim> sorry but my english is not good :/
[10:19] <aliasfred> amount = quantity = 25
[10:19] <VincentMX> yes
[10:19] <aliasfred> am curious too :)
[10:19] <VincentMX> thnx aliasfred
[10:19] <mikim> so why i can't request it???
[10:20] <aliasfred> mikim: why do you need so many cd ?
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> mikim: I think you have to have a more genuine reason to want edubuntu cd's (i.e you are an educational establishment)
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> I got 20 (10 kubuntu 10 ubuntu with no problems)
[10:20] <mikim> i try it
[10:20] <mikim> ok bye
[10:20] <mikim> thx
[10:20] <aliasfred> hehe he didnt want to answer the question :)
[10:21] <Pepe> does anybody know my problem ?
[10:21] <VincentMX> no
[10:21] <aliasfred> h3sp4wn: i am curious, why did you need that many cd ?
[10:21] <VincentMX> you need to ask first
[10:21] <Pepe> Hello. I try install kubuntu 6, but, boot hangs on "starting enterprise volume management system" whats the matter ?
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> aliasfred: The only one which had mac and x64 as part of it
[10:21] <RawSewage> Pepe, is it a beta version of Kubuntu
[10:22] <VincentMX> 6.10?
[10:22] <Pepe> no, i think is the stable
[10:22] <Pepe> dapper
[10:22] <_lupine> Pepe: sounds like it doesn't like your hard drive configuration
[10:22] <VincentMX> k
[10:22] <_lupine> are you actually using EVMS? LVM?
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> aliasfred: No real reason (just if people want them people can have them if they ask me) they are all useless anyway as you need to download 300mb of updates
[10:22] <Pepe> _lupine what is LVM ? EVMS ?
[10:22] <Pepe> my hard disk is serial ata 120 gb
[10:22] <jdong_> Pepe: do you have any hard drives that could be going bad?
[10:23] <_lupine> If you don't know, you're not using them :)
[10:23] <jdong_> or scratched cd's in the cd-rom drive?
[10:23] <aliasfred> h3sp4wn: ok
[10:23] <_lupine> ...
[10:23] <Pepe> I dont hope so :S
[10:23] <_lupine> boot into recovery mode, and disable EVMS
[10:23] <jdong_> he's on a livecd, right?
[10:23] <Pepe> yes
[10:23] <_lupine> ah....
[10:23] <_lupine> right
[10:23] <_lupine> Download the alt. install CD
[10:23] <jdong_> when evms starts on the livecd, it'll scan all the partitions on the disks
[10:23] <jdong_> if one of them is weird, it will hang evms
[10:24] <_lupine> of course, the likelihood is that it'll do the same thing on the installed system
[10:24] <jdong_> but usually after a minute or two it clears up
[10:24] <_lupine> (ubuntu starts too much stuff by default, IMO)
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> _lupine: I agree
[10:24] <jdong_> idn, most of the things it starts are eseential
[10:24] <RawSewage> I think the default for sessions should be:  Start with new sesssion, instead of  Restore Previous Session
[10:24] <_lupine> ???
[10:24] <jdong_> evms is used for lvm/device-mapper
[10:25] <_lupine> no, they aren't :)
[10:25] <jdong_> yes, they are...
[10:25] <jdong_> I've tried to trim down ubuntu's boot procedure before
[10:25] <Pepe> "start kubuntu in safe graphics mode" ? do I chose this ?
[10:25] <jdong_> I think I succeeded in removing two symlinks
[10:25] <RawSewage> Restore Previous Session accumulates lots of baggage over time, and slows everything down
[10:25] <_lupine> except in a few configurations, there's no need for them.
[10:25] <jdong_> evms?
[10:25] <jdong_> the livecd uses device-mapper
[10:25] <jdong_> which requires evms
[10:25] <jdong_> there's one configuration
[10:26] <jdong_> not to mention lvm users
[10:26] <_lupine> how many people actually use EVMS, though? Or LVM? Not that many
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> You can't even install to lvm without using the alternative cd (as far as I know)
[10:26] <_lupine> RAID?
[10:26] <jdong_> _lupine: do you boot the livecd?
[10:26] <jdong_> if so, you need evms
[10:26] <jdong_> end of story
[10:26] <_lupine> h3sp4wn: you can - you just need to wipe your entire HD first
[10:26] <_lupine> dong_: RAID?
[10:26] <_lupine> HPLIPS?
[10:27] <jdong_> raid does nothing if you don't have a raid
[10:27] <_lupine> PCMCIA?
[10:27] <jdong_> again, all of those don't take any time if you don't have the hardware
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> I think software raid is pretty pointless anyway
[10:27] <_lupine> they do on startup
[10:27] <jdong_> not really
[10:27] <_lupine> and they're one more thing that can break
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> if you want raid you should have it in hardware
[10:27] <jdong_> they are not what's chewing up time
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> so the os sees it as one disk
[10:27] <jdong_> h3sp4wn: actually, software raid is quite useful
[10:28] <jdong_> not everyone can afford a hardware raid controller
[10:28] <h3sp4wn> jdong_: Too slow
[10:28] <jdong_> not terribly bad
[10:28] <jdong_> still better than no raid
[10:28] <jdong_> upstart will fix a lot of the init dumbness
[10:28] <Pepe> "setting up LVM Volume Groups" <-- is this what i have to disable? how do I do that ?
[10:29] <_lupine> fingers crossed :)
[10:29] <_lupine> pepe: lvm is somewhat different to evms
[10:30] <Pepe> "buffer I/O error on device dm-1, logical block 9779462" <-- Is my hard drive broken? :(
[10:30] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: hardware raid is poinless
[10:31] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: pointless
[10:31] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: software raid is far more flexible
[10:31] <jdong_> Pepe: either that or the CD
[10:31] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: and you aren't screwed if the hardware controller breaks
[10:31] <jdong_> JohnFlux: depends on how expensive your hardware raid controller is :)
[10:31] <jdong_> lol
[10:31] <jdong_> I'd like one of those fancy ones with a battery backup
[10:31] <JohnFlux_> jdong_: and what if it breaks?
[10:32] <jdong_> JohnFlux_: the chances of that happening are not as good as the chances of write cache data loss :)
[10:32] <Pepe> ok, thankyou for your help, bye
[10:33] <zerotreta> alguem ai pode me dizer por que no acho os canais do brasil?
[10:33] <zerotreta> qual rede devo conectar?
[10:33] <_lupine> !portugese
[10:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about portugese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:33] <_lupine> !br
[10:33] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:33] <zerotreta> _lupine:  isso ai maninho
[10:34] <jdong_> is "use" really portugese?
[10:34] <_lupine> :( no portugese or brasilian nein non
[10:34] <zerotreta> join #ubuntu-br
[10:34] <_lupine> anyone know any more 'no' words? :)
[10:34] <soulrider_> no
[10:34] <soulrider_> :P
[10:34] <_lupine> already got that one
[10:35] <joscha> nein (german)
[10:35] <_lupine> I should know, really... I have a portugese friend
[10:35] <_lupine> got that one too :p
[10:35] <h3sp4wn> JohnFlux_: HP support contract (you can have one in 4 hours or just keep a spare)
[10:36] <CatSoup> this might be a dumb question, but can i run gnome on kubuntu?
[10:36] <soulrider_> justo go to babelfish and translate "no"
[10:36] <jdong_> CatSoup: sure
[10:36] <_lupine> We could always just agree that RAID itself is pointless... that's what multiple redundant power supplies, UPS, and minutely backups to multiple overseas locations are for
[10:36] <joscha> CatSoup: sure
[10:36] <CatSoup> cool beans. i just install the package through adept?
[10:36] <jdong_> _lupine: but what about my 5xRAID1 performance?
[10:36] <joscha> just install gnome-desktop
[10:36] <_lupine> but hardware RAID is cheaper, and software RAID cheaper still ;)
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> _lupine: It is pointless for home use but you may as well have it for business critical stuff (in hardware)#
[10:37] <_lupine> true. Won't exactly do any harm
[10:37] <lotusleaf> install xfce too :)
[10:37] <_lupine> I don't have "home user" internet...
[10:38] <ad> hi, does anyone know how to get rid of these annoying debugging messages, if i launch a kde-application from console?
[10:38] <lotusleaf> ad, don't run from konsole? :)
[10:38] <joscha> alt + space is your friend ;)
[10:39] <soulrider_> yea
[10:39] <soulrider_> use katapult
[10:39] <ad> hm
[10:39] <ad> but i like starting apps from konsole
[10:39] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: but all the raid info is on the card
[10:39] <jdong_> Ad: command 2>&1 > /dev/null
[10:39] <soulrider_> lol
[10:39] <CatSoup> wait, if i'm getting this right, kubuntu is just ubuntu with KDE pre-installed?
[10:39] <soulrider_> i use yakuake
[10:39] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: so you lose that info
[10:39] <ad> eg kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:39] <soulrider_> y just hide it
[10:39] <joscha>  CatSoup: yes
[10:39] <w1w1t0m1> hello, I did set folder sharing on one PC in LAN, but can't add it as network place on another... can anybody help ? (i use nfs server)
[10:39] <soulrider_> CatSoup:  yeah!
[10:39] <CatSoup> O.O
[10:39] <JohnFlux_> CatSoup: kubuntu is just ubuntu with different defaults
[10:39] <ad> hehe, this 2>&1 is really an idea!
[10:39] <lotusleaf> CatSoup: and without the people on the shipit cover
[10:40] <CatSoup> that makes so much sense it's not even funny.
[10:40] <_lupine> :p
[10:40] <h3sp4wn> JohnFlux_: They can be just swapped out (The HP ones I have used anyway and they keep working fine)
[10:40] <lotusleaf> I think the Kubuntu shipit cover should have aliens instead of people holding hands
[10:40] <_lupine> it comes without GNOME installed :)#
[10:40] <_lupine> that's a big plus
[10:40] <soulrider_> lotusleaf: whys that ?
[10:40] <lotusleaf> soulrider_: because aliens are cool
[10:40] <soulrider_> lol
[10:40] <soulrider_> so KDe is cool ?
[10:40] <JohnFlux_> h3sp4wn: how much do those cost?
[10:40] <lotusleaf> and at least something would be holding hands
[10:41] <joscha> can't image Gigers Aliens holding hands....
[10:41] <lotusleaf> I think GoetiaUbuntu would be cool, "Ubuntu for Demons"
[10:41] <_lupine> har
[10:41] <soulrider> o.O
[10:41] <CatSoup> why isn't there a Gubuntu then?
[10:41] <CatSoup> is gnome the default for Ubuntu?
[10:41] <lotusleaf> loaded on a red two-horned usb stick, GoetiaUbuntu will satisfy any demon
[10:42] <soulrider> !goetia
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about goetia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <_lupine> it's the Lesser Key of Solomon, thank you
[10:42] <joscha> gnome is default for ubuntu yes
[10:42] <CatSoup> :)
[10:42] <lotusleaf> _lupine: ;D
[10:42] <_lupine> And TBH, the Book of Abra-Melin the Mage is a much more solid base for a linux operating system
[10:42] <_lupine> what with all the self-flagellation and such
[10:42] <lotusleaf> info about Goetia is at wikipedia for one
[10:43] <CatSoup> my gnome installation failed :-.
[10:43] <CatSoup> :(
[10:43] <w1w1t0m1> I did set folder aaa in my home directory to share, and nfsd is running on port 2049, so how can I in konqueror connect to this folder? nfs:// ... ?
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> JohnFlux_: Pretty expensive (I have never dealt with the cost)
[10:45] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis Thanks for the help got it up and running digital sound now...
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> JohnFlux_: If a disk dies the red light goes on you change it and within an hour its just sorted itself out
[10:45] <CatSoup> umm, egg_desktop_etires always say NULL failed in the terminal window
[10:45] <CatSoup> that's probably a bad thing right?
[10:45] <CatSoup> egg_desktop_entries_add_group*
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> Muching on a New Lasanga Pizza from Pizza hut.
[10:49] <reddwolf78> hello i was trying to get alsaplayer installed on my linux and wehen i went to compile it do get it working i kept getting an error that i could not compile it
[10:49] <CatSoup> lasagna pizza? o.0
[10:49] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis  that sounds  good  think i'll order Papa John's Pizza ;)
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> pappa jons has a new pizza out also.
[10:50] <reddwolf78> could someone help me with it i'm new on linux still and have not don't a comepile and i have read the web page and barley understand it
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> 2 saussages, perproni, and some other meat
[10:50] <reddwolf78> meat lovers
[10:50] <_lupine> ...:D
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> reddwolf78,  install 'build-essential' yet?
[10:50] <reddwolf78> i'm not sure
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> i would guess thats a NO. then. :P
[10:51] <sdlnxgk> Dr_Willis Hmmmmm sounds good but i'm stuck on that Spinach Alfredo Pizza :D
[10:51] <reddwolf78> i got through the first part of the compile web page fine but get down to the bottom were it startes getting in to the make part screws me up
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> if you dont have build-essential installed - then make isent isntalled. :P
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> i think
[10:52] <reddwolf78> oh
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> !info build-essential
[10:52] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.1 (dapper), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> and gcc and other tools are not isntalled yet. :P
[10:52] <lotusleaf> reddwolf78: examine any errors to see if dependencies require resolving
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> and of course - depending on what you are compiling - OTHER developer packages may be needed
[10:53] <reddwolf78> from what i can remember from yesterday it siad confure file not a valid name  and make  says the same thing
[10:53] <reddwolf78> i'm trying to get alsaplayer on my linux
[10:54] <reddwolf78> i got one package from there wed site and what ever my inux system has on it
[10:54] <reddwolf78> linux*
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> !info alsaplayer
[10:54] <ubotu> Package alsaplayer does not exist in any distro I know
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> !info alsaplayer-common
[10:55] <ubotu> alsaplayer-common: PCM player designed for ALSA (common files). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.76-7ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 154 kB, installed size 440 kB
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> there ya go
[10:56] <reddwolf78> i got the that but how do it get it on my system
[10:56] <reddwolf78> i went through adept a got those
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> you use the package manager to install it. then  who knows.. never used it.. :P rtfm?  try typing 'alsaplayer' in the shell?
[10:57] <reddwolf78> that delt with alsa but they are just the plug and play
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> try alsaplayer-gtk ?
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> 'alsa-player' just launched a little player gui for me.
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> :)
[10:58] <reddwolf78> same here but i nee the whole thing
[10:58] <Dr_Willis> what 'whole thing' ?
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> Theres about a dozen alsa-player-XXXXXXXXX packages in the repos.
[10:59] <reddwolf78> give me just a sec i have the web link
[10:59] <reddwolf78> http://www.alsaplayer.org/
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> and the question what are you needing 'the whole thing' for?
[11:01] <reddwolf78> i dj on sat nights and i found that alsaplayer works with shoutcast
[11:01] <reddwolf78> witch i need that part of the alsaplayer to dj
[11:02] <ad> try 'apt-cache show alsaplayer'
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> which part? heh..
[11:02] <wimpies> anybody around that can help me setting up my ZEN sleek MP3 player ?
[11:02] <ad> but i don't see anything related to djing
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> you want a player to play shoutcast streams?
[11:02] <reddwolf78> shoutcast/icecast is a tool to get music out on the web for others to listen too
[11:02] <reddwolf78> and alsaplayer supports it
[11:03] <reddwolf78> http://freshmeat.net/projects/alsaplayer/
[11:03] <reddwolf78> thats were i found it
[11:03] <Sanne> reddwolf78: you can also look here for what's available in dapper: http://tinyurl.com/mvm7p
[11:04] <reddwolf78> would i have to compile anything
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> so you install the icecast server.. then isntall the alsa-player-common package
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> icecast-server - MPEG Layer III Streaming Server
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> Im not seeing why you need to compile anything.. its all there in the repositories..
[11:04] <reddwolf78> then how would i t get also to work for me then
[11:05] <w1w1t0m1> I get error message from konqueror by trying to connect via nfs : "Authorization failed, localhost authentication not supported."
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> !repos
[11:05] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> !icecast
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about icecast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> icecast-client - Streaming Mpeg Layer III feeder
[11:05] <Dr_Willis> icecast-server - MPEG Layer III Streaming Server
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> !info icecast-server
[11:06] <ubotu> icecast-server: MPEG Layer III Streaming Server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.3.12-14 (dapper), package size 176 kB, installed size 728 kB
[11:06] <Sanne> reddwolf78: you may also ask in #lad (linux audio developers and users), they might have more knowledge about audio related stuff.
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> use the package manager and search/install the stuff.. if you need to expand your repositories  check the !easysource bot info or that other url
[11:07] <reddwolf78> ok
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> Im thinkin its more of an issue. that hes making it TOO hard. :P
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> the package managers/repos seem to have all the stuff you want.
[11:08] <ubuntu> hello everyone, i need help with kubuntu...
[11:08] <usr> hello. can anyone tell me why I can't use a blank password for my account on kubuntu?
[11:08] <matthias> you can...
[11:08] <Sanne> reddwolf78: there's also #ubuntstudio channel and as part of the ubuntuforums, and the wiki: http://ubuntustudio.com/
[11:08] <ubuntu-dracou> hello everyone, i need help with kubuntu... it's not booting anymore and i have a log
[11:09] <MetaMorfoziS> why bad if i install firefox from repos?
[11:09] <matthias> ubuntu-dracou: don't ask to ask, jut ask
[11:11] <visik7> is there a graphical way to connect a bluetooth phone in kde and using it with kppp ?
[11:11] <Dr_Willis> usr,  it would be a bad security  'thing to do'
[11:11] <aliasfred> !irc
[11:11] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[11:12] <aliasfred> what is the mode option to block the reception of wallops on freenode ?
[11:12] <lotusleaf> yup, the next version of VLC will look nicer.. with Qt! :)
[11:13] <reddwolf78> so far i'm not getting anywere with ither group chats
[11:14] <Dr_Willis> reddwolf78,  well you are being a little vague. and perhaps confused about things. :P
[11:14] <aliasfred> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#networkinfo <- was me answer :)
[11:14] <ad> usr/sda maybe you want to have a look at the settings of kdm, if youre using it
[11:15] <inteliwasp> if i import bookmarks into firefox, will i lose the ones that are listed before the import?
[11:15] <ad> theres is an option to automatically logging into kde without a password
[11:15] <reddwolf78> oh
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> KDM has an auto login feature
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> but using no password - is a bad idea
[11:16] <matthias> ad: yes
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> the first users password is also the 'sudo' password. so i really DONT think you want that to be blank
[11:18] <reddwolf78> i was the only one in one group the #ubuntstudio and no one is chating in the #lad
[11:19] <lotusleaf> passwords are there for a reason
[11:20] <klerfayt> I need a tool that let's me create rar archives
[11:21] <sda> I know passwords are there for a reason. of course :) but generally I trust the people with whom I mingle to not destroy my system.
[11:22] <lotusleaf> sda: trust is a weakness
[11:22] <Sanne> klerfayt: I think there are some rar/unrar packages in the repositories, you can find out in which ones on packages.ubuntu.com.
[11:23] <_lupine> unrar-free and unrar
[11:23] <sda> :-)
[11:23] <_lupine> !unrar
[11:23] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[11:23] <_lupine> if passworded, use unrar
[11:24] <Sanne> _lupine: klerfayt wants to create rar files.
[11:25] <Agios> use rar to create, unrar to extract
[11:26] <_lupine> ah...
[11:26] <_lupine> don't :)
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> install the rar stuff and ark can make them
[11:26] <lotusleaf> also krusader has rar support
[11:26] <_lupine> use bzip2 instead :)
[11:26] <_lupine> (compression isn't quite as good, but it's free (in both senses of the word))
[11:26] <inteliwasp> if i import bookmarks into firefox, will i lose the ones that are listed before the import?
[11:27] <maninder> im running kubuntu and i cant even install any of my drivers
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Import merges
[11:27] <inteliwasp> thanks
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Othereise it would be  sort of useless. :P
[11:27] <klerfayt> heh, rar is shareware, you can use it 40days
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> rar is 'annoying' :)
[11:27] <Martijn81> anyone know howto convert a *.po documentation to a file readable by the system? I know howto do it for gui stuff, but for docs is unclear for me
[11:27] <jamie> looking for a consultant to setup jails for fastcgi scripts (php4-cgi, python, perl, etc)
[11:27] <ad> what i was looking for to get rid of the annoying console debug messages was kdebugdialog
[11:28] <Sanne> klerfayt: if you can, use something else
[11:28] <maninder> can linux run .exe ?
[11:28] <lotusleaf> maninder: yes with WINE, see #winehq
[11:28] <lotusleaf> maninder: also http://www.winehq.com/
[11:28] <jamie> sorry if this is a repeate: looking for a consultant to setup jails for fastcgi/scgi scripts (php4-cgi, python, perl, etc) message me privately if interested
[11:30] <maninder> lotusleaf can i have your msn please i might need your guide
[11:30] <Sanne> Martijn81: you mean compiling a text .po file to a binary .mo file?
[11:30] <klerfayt> Sanne: I tried to create tar.bz2 1.6GB archive but it didn't afterwards or I gave to wait 15 minutes?
[11:30] <lotusleaf> maninder: I don't use msn, my e-mail is on my site: http://lotusleafslinks.tuxfamily.org/
[11:30] <klerfayt> *didn't open
[11:31] <lotusleaf> maninder: I'm sure the kind folks in #winehq can help you though :)
[11:31] <Martijn81> Sanne: yeah, i know howto do that with gui.po to gui.mo files, but are docs the same? I can't seem to find the correct folder too
[11:31] <lotusleaf> maninder: and/or ask here too
[11:31] <maninder> okay
[11:31] <maninder> its just that im new i dont know what to do
[11:32] <lotusleaf> maninder: that's why many of us are here, ask away
[11:32] <Sanne> klerfayt: wow, 1.6GB! :) I guess, depending on your system, it may well need more than 15 minutes to open. bz2 compression seems quite thorough. I would try it again.
[11:32] <dafart> hi there
[11:32] <dafart> does anyone know a way to download .torrent files from php scripted sites using wget?
[11:32] <maninder> dman i gata run to work ill be back on here for more questions latter on
[11:32] <maninder> bye
[11:32] <marlix> ll
[11:32] <maninder> and thanks for the site
[11:33] <Fille> Hi!
[11:33] <Fille> I'm a new Kubuntu user ;D
[11:33] <lotusleaf> maninder: yw cu
[11:33] <Sanne> Martijn81: I don't understand exactly what you mean with gui and docs files. I used .po files to localize WordPress (php blog system) and used the tool msgfmt to convert it to .mo files.
[11:33] <Fille> I was wondering if anyone could tell me how I could install Firefox on my Kubuntu?
[11:33] <Fille> I'm not sure where I should unpack it and so on :o
[11:33] <klerfayt> Fille: use adept
[11:34] <klerfayt> Fille: kmenu>syste>adept; search for "firefox"
[11:34] <lotusleaf> I like Synaptic in Kubuntu better ;)
[11:35] <Fille> l,
[11:35] <Fille> k
[11:35] <digits> Fille: or in konsole sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:35] <Fille> it says it's installed
[11:36] <Fille> but I don't see it on my Internet tabb
[11:36] <Martijn81> Sanne: yup, msgfmt indeed. I just mean KDE translations in gui of an application, that is msgfmt -o *.po *.mo, and then mv the file to the correct folder. But now i want to preview my document translation  (help:/konqueror for example)
[11:36] <Sanne> Martijn81: I'm afraid that's a bit too advanced for me, sorry :)
[11:37] <Martijn81> it's ok, i'll find a way :)
[11:37] <Sanne> Martijn81: there's always a way (mostly...) :)
[11:37] <Martijn81> hehe
[11:37] <Sanne> good luck
[11:38] <Fille> Anyone knows why I don't see Firefox on my Start > Internet menu?
[11:38] <Fille> :/
[11:38] <klerfayt> Fille: probably menu is not updated (it will be next time you log in); alt+f2  and type firefox
[11:38] <mx> what is the linux equivalent of a batch file?
[11:38] <lotusleaf> Fille: try running kmenuedit
[11:38] <lotusleaf> you can add it manually
[11:38] <digits> mx: bash file
[11:38] <digits> ;P
[11:39] <mx> digits: what is the extension? lol
[11:39] <lotusleaf> Fille: you may want to install Synaptic, it's better than Adept IMO
[11:39] <klerfayt> lotusleaf: it will be added; he just needs to log out first
[11:39] <digits> mx: .sh
[11:39] <mx> x_x
[11:39] <lotusleaf> klerfayt: :)
[11:39] <Sanne> mx: sometimes there is no extension, though.
[11:39] <Fille> "Could not run the specified term"
[11:39] <Fille> :(
[11:39] <digits> mx: more exactly shell script file
[11:39] <digits> nite all
[11:39] <klerfayt> Fille: but you said it is installed
[11:39] <AZ_AS> lotusleaf, why do you think synpatic's better than adept? just curious
[11:39] <mx> i made an sh file to run xmame, and it's telling me to su to have permissions to run it =/
[11:39] <Fille> yes, Adept told me it was installed
[11:40] <lotusleaf> AZ_AS: lots of reasons which probably only matter to me. :)
[11:40] <klerfayt> Fille: what happens if you open konsole and type fire and then tab?
[11:40] <Fille> hmm this is strange
[11:40] <AZ_AS> lol, I'll give it a test whirl and see what I think :)
[11:40] <liam> hey
[11:40] <Fille> nothing
[11:41] <Fille> this is odd
[11:41] <Sanne> lotusleaf, AZ_AS: one thing I love about Synaptic is that it keeps an installation history. Adept doesn't do that, as far as I know.
[11:41] <klerfayt> Fille: fo you see firefox in /usr/bin ?
[11:41] <liam> im looking for some help opening adept it says "conversation with su failed"
[11:41] <lotusleaf> Fille: go into adept, install Synaptic, then run Synaptic from now on when you install programs
[11:42] <Fille> ok will do
[11:42] <lotusleaf> once in Synaptic, search for firefox, install it if needed
[11:42] <AZ_AS> Sanne, ty...definitely will have to try it then since that'd come in handy for me
[11:42] <Fille> thank you guys for the help really appreciate it <3
[11:42] <lotusleaf> Fille: :) karma sprouts with smiling flower faces
[11:43] <Sanne> AZ_AS: yeah, that's the main reason I use it.
[11:43] <lotusleaf> I just like how Synaptic looks and works overall vs. adept
[11:43] <liam> so can someone help me
[11:46] <mx> lol, what did it say?
[11:46] <Fille> I've searched for Synaptic in Adept but didn't find it
[11:46] <Fille> So I couldn't install it
[11:46] <Fille> I'm confused here :(
[11:46] <lotusleaf> have you configured your sources.list?
[11:47] <Fille> I thought it would be "easy" to install applications on Kubuntu :o
[11:47] <Martijn81> mx: 22:55
[11:47] <lotusleaf> Fille: we aren't a tor troll are we? :)
[11:47] <Fille> tor?
[11:47] <mx> anyhow.. does anyone recommend any certain program for making a video of the computer screen?
[11:47] <Martijn81> mx: i mean, almost one hour ago....
[11:47] <mx> ah
[11:48] <Fille> so guys, what should I do then? :/
[11:48] <lotusleaf> Fille: installations are easy
[11:48] <mx> Martijn81: i don't think i've been here that long
[11:48] <mx> heh
[11:48] <Martijn81> she's loving gentoo ;)
[11:49] <Fille> lotusleaf: k, then could you tell me how I can fix Firefox for my Kubuntu then ?
[11:49] <Fille> :)
[11:49] <mx> i wanna record video of my comp screen, with optional sound.. =P
[11:49] <aliasfred> mx, screenkast is the name i think
[11:49] <lotusleaf> Fille: I don't use Adept, but I'd imagine it's as simple as starting Adept and selecting firefox to install then installing it
[11:49] <mx> aliasfred: thanks
[11:49] <aliasfred> or kreencast, or close :)
[11:50] <aliasfred> mx, on kde-apps.org
[11:50] <Fille> lotusleaf: ok
[11:50] <mx> it isn't in the kubuntu repo?
[11:50] <liam> I would like you all to know that kubuntu is a complete pile of shit that is full of errors but looks pretty
[11:50] <Fille> I'll try uninstalling then reinstalling it then
[11:50] <aliasfred> dunno
[11:50] <Fille> liam: why?
[11:50] <mx> haha liam
[11:50] <Martijn81> aliasfred: yeah but screenkast does not include sound AFAIK
[11:50] <OOD> liam: uh
[11:50] <AZ_AS> hmm, tried installing Synaptic but there was an error message, saying there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[11:51] <liam> everything i do is difficult
[11:51] <Sanne> Fille: when you tried to run firefox, did you use lowercase?
[11:51] <aliasfred> Martijn81: i dunno i never tried it
[11:51] <liam> i hate the look of gnome though
[11:51] <lotusleaf> Fille: if it's already installed, you shouldn't need to uninstall then reinstall it
[11:51] <OOD> it takes some getting used too
[11:51] <Martijn81> aliasfred: i did, ffmpegwith theora is probably better if you want sound in it
[11:51] <lotusleaf> Fille: press ALT+F2 then type firefox then hit Enter
[11:52] <Fille> "Could not run the specifc command"
[11:52] <scabootssca> hey how do i reset my repository list to the default from instalation?
[11:52] <liam> i cant open the add/remove programs i cant open adept and i cant ever find firefox
[11:52] <mx> aliasfred: is there one in the kubuntu repos?
[11:52] <mx> ah, sorry
[11:52] <dein> why is the update server down?
[11:52] <mx> missed your response last time i asked :p
[11:53] <yannux> hello everybody :)
[11:53] <klerfayt> liam: you need to know sudo password to use adept
[11:53] <Fille> Should I re-download the .tar file from Firefox's webpage again and save it on my hdd then?
[11:53] <dein> it says i have updates, but when i try to download em i get 404s
[11:53] <yannux> width kde, is it possible tu have windows under mouse cursor when I press alt+tab ??
[11:53] <liam> ya i installed the system myself about 10 minutes ago i know the password
[11:53] <aliasfred> Martijn81: too bad, linux would benefit from a good screencast capture software. such tool would be real nice to publish demo/doc
[11:54] <OOD> yannux: what do you mean?
[11:54] <liam> i enter the password but it says it "cant communicate wit su"
[11:54] <liam> with
[11:54] <lotusleaf> Fille: you don't need to download a .tar file
[11:54] <aliasfred> Martijn81: the exsiting solution are 'raw' at best :)
[11:54] <Xera> hiho
[11:54] <Fille> but what's wrong then?
[11:54] <AZ_AS> there a way to remove lib files safely without breaking the system?
[11:54] <Fille> I've unpacked it and all
[11:55] <lotusleaf> Fille: you might try asking in #ubuntu if you don't find your question to be properly answered to your satisfaction in here.
[11:55] <Xera> i have to do sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 everytime i reboot to mount my windows partition, and i forgot what i need to put into fstab, can someone tell me? :p
[11:55] <Fille> k
[11:55] <ad> liam: does sudo work?
[11:55] <Martijn81> aliasfred: yeah, but screenkast can work with tooltips though
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> what i need to install to get work the "svn" cmd?
[11:55] <yannux> OOD: when I press Alt+tab to switch or view opened soft on my desktop, I would like that the list to be placed under where my mouse cursor is....
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> svn co -N svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork
[11:55] <MetaMorfoziS> it said svn command not found
[11:56] <matthias> Xera: the same, just without mount
[11:56] <ad> sth like: /dev/sda1       /media/winxp    ntfs    defaults,umask=007,gid=46 0     1 1
[11:56] <liam> well i opened adept in konsole, there were a few errors but it did open
[11:56] <Xera> matthias: lol, ok
[11:56] <yannux> OOD: you see what I want to say ? ;)
[11:56] <matthias> does anybody have reiser4 here?
[11:56] <mx> my cpp processor failed a sanity check =(
[11:56] <mx> preprocessor*
[11:56] <ad> ok
[11:56] <Xera> uh, and with -t, and -o?
[11:57] <ad> i had to initially do sudo su
[11:57] <klerfayt> Fille: does adept say firefox is installed like this? http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8310/pilt1mo7.png
[11:57] <ad> and then passwd
[11:57] <ad> to get a root pw
[11:57] <Xcalibur> omg
[11:57] <Xcalibur> painstaking work, for nothing
[11:58] <Xcalibur> I partitioned a second partition of 4.5gb
[11:58] <matthias> Xera: you might want to read man fstab
[11:58] <Sanne> MetaMorfoziS: I think you would need the package subversion
[11:58] <MetaMorfoziS> yes... i figured out during the question
[11:58] <MetaMorfoziS> thx
[11:59] <Sanne> MetaMorfoziS: cool! :)
[11:59] <Xcalibur> and another of 285MB, and my standard 5gb winxp partition, I set the second partition to "/", and the 285MB one for swap, I boot it up, and no grub?
[11:59] <mx> is something wrong with us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[11:59] <Xcalibur> hey
[11:59] <Xcalibur> can someone tell me if kubuntu comes with grub?
[11:59] <Xera> matthias: i never understand wtf they're talking about in man
[11:59] <Sanne> Xcalibur: yes, it does
[11:59] <Xera> Xcalibur: um.. ofc?
[11:59] <Xera> >_<
[11:59] <RawSewage> audioconverter  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=12608
[11:59] <mx> Xera: couldnt it have lilo?
[12:00] <Xcalibur> I installed it, just fine
[12:00] <Fille> klerfayt: yes that is correct
[12:00] <Xcalibur> no grub when boot up?
[12:00] <OOD> yannux: hmm, i don't know if there is an option like that
[12:00] <Xcalibur> plz, somone help me?
[12:00] <yannux> OOD: yes, I did no find it :s
[12:00] <mx> damnit
[12:00] <mx> someone ping us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:01] <yannux> OOD: It will be good to access quickly to window list :)
[12:01] <Xcalibur> it is still up, I pinged it
[12:01] <Martijn81> mx: i got a good capture with this info a while ago: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/06/08/how-to-create-a-screencast-in-ubuntu/
[12:01] <Sanne> Xcalibur: I remember having to agree to install grub to the master boot record.  You probably used the live cd? I don't know how it handles this, sorry.
[12:03] <Xcalibur> damn it!!!!!1
[12:03] <liam> its because kubuntu is full of errors
[12:03] <Xcalibur> omg
[12:03] <Sanne> Xcalibur: but you probably can use the live cd to install grub
[12:03] <Xcalibur> how?
[12:04] <Sanne> Xcalibur: give me a moment to find a reference page for you
[12:04] <Xcalibur> ok
[12:05] <inteliwasp> how do i find what is causing poor audio quality for music and videos?
[12:05] <mx> i try to go to connect to the internet and it just doesn't go through to that particular site for a bit
[12:05] <mx> just happened with us.archive.ubuntu.com
[12:05] <liam> how do i check for updates
[12:05] <mx> actually, i still can't ping it =/
[12:06] <Xcalibur> i get request timed out
[12:06] <Xcalibur> its there, maybe server errors?
[12:06] <mx> 13 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 12031ms
[12:06] <mx> 2 minutes lol
[12:06] <klerfayt> Sanne: opening 1.5GB rar file takes less than 1second, so I don't know what went wrong with tar.bz2...
[12:06] <mx> wait, nvm
[12:08] <Sanne> klerfayt: hmm, I never opened a rar file that big, but I opened a lot of bz2 files far smaller than yours and I knwo it took quite some time. That's why I thought you should maybe try it again and give it more time.
[12:08] <liam> the biggest rar file i opened was 8 gb and it took about 3 seconds


[00:01] <Sarvatt> then again it was lenny that only takes 15 minutes compared to the 3 hours, would probably have the same slowdown on a newer debian if its in dpkg or something
[00:43] <Sarvatt> oookay protos updated, will have to dig into the libs tomorrow.
[00:46] <Sarvatt> whats x11proto in debian terms? dont tell me x11proto-x11proto
[00:47] <Sarvatt> ahh x11proto-core
[00:47] <jcristau> yup
[00:49] <Sarvatt> doesnt look important, all the changes are for other platforms.. guess i can skip that one
[00:54] <Sarvatt> ah heck missed that fixes had an epoch
[01:13] <Sarvatt> hmm, i dont understand the whole xextproto/libxext change
[01:14] <Sarvatt> guess i should be installing usr/include/X11/extensions/* in libxext-dev now, but looking at it it looks like they split up the xextproto headers into smaller files and install them through libxext now, so should I be not installing the headers in x11proto-xext?
[01:15] <jcristau> there's 3 parts for each extension
[01:15] <jcristau> the protocol constants, the protocol data structures, and the client side function prototypes and data structures
[01:16] <jcristau> previously all of them were together in the same header, with ifdefs to avoid pulling in the client side stuff in the server
[01:16] <jcristau> now peter separated it all up properly, and moved the client side stuff to libxext
[01:17] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/headers.txt
[01:17] <Sarvatt> ah so both should be installing usr/include/X11/extensions/ then?
[01:17] <jcristau> yes
[01:18] <jcristau> libxext-dev will need Replaces: x11proto-xext-dev (<< something), but that should be it
[01:19] <Sarvatt> thanks a bunch for the clarification
[01:19] <jcristau> np
[01:34] <Sarvatt> hmm, dont see any versioned dependencies on libx11, that is one nasty package i might skip :)
[01:35] <Sarvatt> bah thought so, [x11 >= <IP_ADDRESS>] in evdev
[01:35] <jcristau> libxi probably wants the new libx11
[01:36] <Sarvatt> oops yeah i meant libxi, i saw whot's post about the cookie stuff
[01:38] <Sarvatt> that nokia guy really wants to break non embedded platforms huh? :D
[01:48] <Sarvatt> anyone else interested on working on xorg 7.5 packaging at all? i'll move this over to xorg-edgers team if so, it could use someone who actually knows what their doing giving it a once over because I have a feeling I'm being really sloppy about some things in regards to the control handling. i'm just packaging it for my own use where I know what needs to be done manually
[01:48] <Sarvatt> hmm i think i'll look into extending auto-xorg-git to parse PKG_CHECK_MODULES in configure.ac to bump build depends automatically tomorrow
[02:26] <Sarvatt> 003_recognize_glibc_2.3.2_locale_names.diff in libx11 is one _monster_ of a patch
[02:27] <Sarvatt> 11/49 hunks failed, i'll have to go over it tomorrow
[04:05] <FaberfoX> Hi guys, can someone point me on the right direction to get mesa 7.4.1 for jaunty? This is regarding launchpad #360319. Do I have to compile all of x to get that released fix?
[04:19] <Sarvatt> 2.7.1+exa should be fine, its uxa that needs the mesa fix and theres alot more needed besides mesa to have uxa stable in jaunty
[04:21] <Sarvatt> more than would be possible to provide in jaunty-updates, karmic is the way to go if you want to use UXA. or you can use this PPA https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[04:22] <Sarvatt> darnit, spent 3 hours refreshing 003_recognize_glibc_2.3.2_locale_names.diff but i got the offsets wrong
[04:31] <Sarvatt> need some kind of patch cleanup tool or else i'll be screwing with the offsets for another hour lol
[04:49] <FaberfoX> thanks Sarvatt, I'll try xorg-edgers first and then do a parallel karmic install, I tried karmic about a month ago and wasn't too happy, but in a month there's so much that changes
[06:20]  * Duke` hope that the last xserver-xorg-video-intel works... :p
[07:38] <tjaalton> Sarvatt_: I'll start updating the debian-experimental branches once I get back home a week and a half from now
[09:02] <moxo> hi! I've installed a PPA for xorg some weeks ago. now my update manager wants to update X11. will my manually installed PPA get lost once I let the update manager update xorg?
[17:47] <Sarvatt_> lol think I set a new record for being slow, i thought you were asking for a clone of pixman 0.15.17 for debian last night jcristau :)
[19:38] <Sarvatt_> odd, libx11 took 8 minutes to build on lpia but its going on 40 minutes on i386
[20:15] <Sarvatt_> ugh, hitting this problem now http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2009-July/046480.html
[20:18] <Sarvatt_> libxext failed to build because it needs the headers that moved from inputproto to libxi, but libxi requires this newer libxext to build
[20:23] <Sarvatt_> hmm wonder if i can add libxi (>= <IP_ADDRESS>) to the build depends for libxext to get around it, i dont know if that will break something
[20:24] <Sarvatt_> guess i can do that, then build the newer libxi, and then rebuild libxext again against the newer libxi


[00:00] <Captainkrtek> Im getting it all fixed up
[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> what yo have could be an OK level of detail
[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> anyway, just keep that in mind while i go whip up some chow
[00:00] <Captainkrtek> sure :-)
[00:05] <Captainkrtek> okay fixed the issues, also removed a section to make it smaller
[00:05] <Captainkrtek> and the links are fixed
[00:14] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, when you get back, if you could look at this :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1563
[00:14] <Captainkrtek> thanks!
[00:50] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, have you tested these directions at all?
[00:51] <Captainkrtek> yes
[00:51] <Captainkrtek> actually used them today on an adapter
[00:51] <Captainkrtek> an old fon router :-)
[00:53] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, ^
[00:58] <Rocket2DMn> "Search your card manufacturer's website for a Linux driver" - end in a period
[00:59] <Rocket2DMn> "full information on ndiswrapper" - start with a capital letter
[00:59] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:00] <Rocket2DMn> "You can also go back to here to check " - on "here" there is a link.  Isn't there a way to let it show the title of the section rather than saying "here"?
[01:01] <Rocket2DMn> i think there is a way of showing it automatically but i'm not 100% sure
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> Im not sure
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> I could just say
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> You can also go back to the initial check page to check for any signs of connectivity
[01:02] <Rocket2DMn> ok, we'll get bac kto that one
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:02] <Rocket2DMn> "3. Run the command" - extra numbering there
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> forgot to remove that
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> the lists now work
[01:02] <Rocket2DMn> interface task. (note not all cards support scanning) - either put the parens before the period or drop them altogether
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:03] <Rocket2DMn> There are still a bunch of links to the Command Reference page - i'm not sure if it's appropriate to keep linking the a webpage
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> yeah...
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> those links are useful though
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> they explain the commands
[01:03] <Rocket2DMn> you can include a link to the page the original source page and that one at the top of the document for reference, but don't keep linking to it
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> okay
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> Ill remove all those href's then
[01:04] <Rocket2DMn> not everyone has internet, esp. if they are troubleshooting their network card :)
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> true...
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> good point
[01:05] <Captainkrtek> okay let me re-format all of this then...
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, "<link xref="net-wireless-troubleshooting-initial-check"
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> err
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> <link xref="net-wireless-troubleshooting-initial-check"/>
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> that will show the title
[01:08] <Captainkrtek> oh that does it
[01:08] <Captainkrtek> cool thanks :)
[01:09] <Captainkrtek> okay think we are good now, let me just check it all
[01:09] <Captainkrtek> only have 2 xrefs
[01:10] <Captainkrtek> they link to guides on supported hardware
[01:10] <Rocket2DMn> i would actually do <link xref="net-wireless-troubleshooting-initial-check#net-wireless-initial-check"/>
[01:13] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:14] <Captainkrtek> anything else?
[01:14] <Captainkrtek> still reading it over a few times
[01:15] <Rocket2DMn> some of the spacing is a little funky, but otherwise it looks pretty good
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> still learning all of this ;-)
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> thats ok, youve done more mallard than i have now
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> lol
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> im just basing some stuff on experience with docbook
[01:17] <Captainkrtek> yeah, well you sure know more than I do
[01:17] <Captainkrtek> I appreciate the help :-)
[01:19] <Captainkrtek> K pushed it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1564
[01:22] <Rocket2DMn> the Check Driver section still has a bunch of links
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> I just left two
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> on purpose
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> or do you want me to just remove those whole bits
[01:23] <Rocket2DMn> i would remove them all for the commands, you can include a link to the command page at the top
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> I removed em all for the commands...
[01:23] <Rocket2DMn> also, section titles shouldn't be all uppercase words
[01:24] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:24] <Rocket2DMn> ah sorry about that links, dang yelp is caching on me
[01:24] <Captainkrtek> lol
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> I only left
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> You can check <link href="http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/">here</link>
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> to see if your card is supported by ndiswrapper.</p></item>
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> and then the "full info on ndiswrapper is here"
[01:27] <Captainkrtek> also replaced all <code> tags with <cmd>
[01:27] <Rocket2DMn> k
[01:27] <Captainkrtek> looks pretty good now...
[01:27] <Captainkrtek> and ill just add a thing about the commands on the top
[01:28] <Rocket2DMn> ok, cool
[01:29] <Rocket2DMn> ok i need to shutdown my computer to check my memory module (i cant quite read it where it is :( )
[01:29] <Rocket2DMn> gotta figure out exactly what it is, i need more, lol
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> :/
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> lol
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> run memtest?
[01:29] <Rocket2DMn> no, its not bad, i just need more of it
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> ahh
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> Newegg <3
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i upgraded to 64 bit and i'm chewing up memor ylike crazy in natty
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i keep swapping and its killing me
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> who woulda thought 2GB wasnt enough
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> Im using 2 of my 4
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> flash player crashes often :P
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> committing
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i start swapping when i get to about 1.5, i use almost a GB doing nothing, what a difference sinec lucid 32 bit
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, you can do a merge request when you're finished
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> sure :)
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> k, ill bbl man
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> k
[02:22] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha
[02:22] <jbicha> howdy, yeah I have to be careful not to run out of memory and I have 4GB!
[02:22] <Captainkrtek> think you could merge something?
[02:22] <Captainkrtek> launchpad keeps giving me timeout errors :(
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help/revision/1565
[02:23] <jbicha> yeah maybe they broke Launchpad this morning
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> worked with Connor to fix up the last networking guide page
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> for wireless
[02:27] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, it work?
[02:28] <Captainkrtek> this is the branch: lp:~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help
[02:29] <jbicha> just a moment, on the phone
[02:29] <Captainkrtek> oh okay haha
[02:53] <jbicha> I switched from Gedit to Geany today
[02:53] <j1mc> how's it working out? i haven't used geany in a while.
[02:55] <jbicha> I don't know, haven't used it long enough, but it's got more gizmos
[02:55] <jbicha> it has an XML folding mode which can help for Mallard I think
[02:56] <j1mc> what does the folding do?
[02:56]  * j1mc installs it :)
[02:57] <jbicha> install geany-plugins too
[02:57] <jbicha> I'm thinking it can help me find issues with tags not being closed faster
[02:58] <j1mc> cool
[03:07] <Captainkrtek> j1mc or jbicha check the ML if you have a minute
[03:08] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: I'm working on your branch now, it's taking me a bit to figure out how this
[03:08] <jbicha> *how to get this new-fangled text editor to work like I want it to
[03:09] <Captainkrtek> lol k
[03:09] <jbicha> gedit's nice for its simplicity
[03:14] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: just as a head's up, you forgot the <p> in your second note so it doesn't display
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> oh
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[03:15] <jbicha> and your line breaks are a bit weird
[03:19] <jbicha> like you put periods on the next line which isn't needed
[03:19] <jbicha> I don't use new lines for tags inside paragraphs
[03:22] <Captainkrtek> k
[03:22] <jbicha> as it makes it more difficult for a human to read the paragraph
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> im not human
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> lol
[03:54] <jbicha> "see below to blacklist this driver"
[03:57] <jbicha> except there is no below
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> oh
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> forgot, we removed that part :/
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> sorry
[04:00] <jbicha> email sent :-)
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> thanks :)
[04:11] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, what do you mean wit hthe gui instructions?
[04:11] <Captainkrtek> just my doc or the rest?
[04:12] <jbicha> I mean the "Click the session menu and select System Settings" thing instead of Session Indicator > System Setttings
[04:12] <Captainkrtek> oh
[04:15] <jbicha> so which Android do you use?
[04:15] <jbicha> or are you an android?
[04:16] <Captainkrtek> Im on Android
[04:16] <Captainkrtek> I have the HTC Thunderbolt currently
[04:17] <Captainkrtek> also own the Motorola Droid 1, Samsung Fascinate, and soon to have all post-launch samsung devices
[04:17] <Atamira> Captainkrtek, if you're not human, what are ya then?
[04:17] <Atamira> second thoughts
[04:17] <Atamira> nevermind
[04:17] <Captainkrtek> Atamira, A Krtek
[04:18] <Atamira> lol
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> Captain of them ;-)
[04:19] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, finished with the doc :)
[04:19] <Captainkrtek> the final final final final changes
[04:20] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help/revision/1566
[04:28] <jbicha> not all cards support scanning, isn't that fundamental to how a wireless net card works?
[04:33] <jbicha> maybe the writer got confused with promiscuous mode
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> actually
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> not all card do if i remember correctly
[04:34] <jbicha> but how do they work?
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> umm promiscous mode allows you to monitor networks but not connect to them I think...
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> s a configuration of a network card that makes the card pass all traffic it receives to the central processing unit rather than just frames addressed to it
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> so it's used for monitoring in a sense
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> like packet sniffing
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> and I remember not all devices support it
[04:36] <jbicha> right, promiscuous is different
[04:36] <jbicha> but scanning is fundamental to how wifi cards works
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> wrong wording?
[04:36] <jbicha> the guide doesn't care about promiscuous so the writer was confused
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:37] <jbicha> the guide overall is confusing, it needs someone to simplify it
[04:37] <Captainkrtek> yeah...
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> I just ported it and tried to clarify a little bit
[04:38] <jbicha> I'll still upload your part but it needs work for next cycle :-)
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> I'm on it boss :-)
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> The whole guide looks like a bunch of commands
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> like "run this and see if you get xy"
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> need to be more methodical and explain a bit of what each thing means
[04:41] <jbicha> not all of which are needed, and several which are repetitive
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:41] <jbicha> I'm going to take out the Network Connections part as that gui doesn't work that way
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> sure
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> just reading about Ubuntu Membership..
[04:43] <jbicha> maybe they mean Network Tools but that interface is too complex to mention without explanation
[04:43] <jbicha> I'm finally applying for Membership this month
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> nice :)
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> Ill endorse it if you wish
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> You've been a good teacher
[04:44] <jbicha> "significant and sustained contribution" is a bit ambiguous but I think now I'm well-qualified
[04:44] <jbicha> a year ago I wasn't so sure
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> how long have you been working
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> a few months?
[04:46] <jbicha> um, it's been a few years but I'm doing more useful things now
[04:47] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[04:48] <Captainkrtek> hope ill be a member someday :-)
[05:07] <jbicha> what's link type="home" mean?
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> umm
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> not sure
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> did I put that?
[05:12] <jbicha> I don't know, it may have already been there, I'm fixing it though
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> k
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> Trying to get involved in the Evince project
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> for documentation
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> they use mallard :)
[05:32] <jbicha> everyone in Gnome will be
[05:35] <Captainkrtek> neat
[05:57] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, you commit the doc yet?
[05:57] <jbicha> no, I'm fighting to get the series links to work the way I want to
[05:58] <Captainkrtek> okay, best of luck ;-)
[05:58] <Captainkrtek> anything I can help with?
[05:58] <jbicha> I'm doing ok, the documentation is a bit confusing with this but I'm emailing the mailing list about that :-)
[05:59] <Captainkrtek> heh
[05:59] <Captainkrtek> any other docs you need actioned?
[06:20] <jbicha> we still have 2 those printer pages that I won't get to until the weekend
[06:30] <Captainkrtek> I can do them tomorrow hopefully
[06:31] <Captainkrtek> I can load up a live cd and test it on another box in the house
[06:34] <jbicha> I seem to remember printer install being more automatic in previous Ubuntu versions, it required me to
[06:34] <Captainkrtek> ea
[06:34] <Captainkrtek> yeah*
[06:34] <jbicha> click the driver which was pre-selected but still
[06:34] <Captainkrtek> yeah i'll verify it for the team :-)
[06:38] <Captainkrtek> hey j1mc :-)
[06:41] <j1mc> hi Captainkrtek
[06:42] <Captainkrtek> hello
[06:43] <j1mc> this video is kind of blowing my mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ  :)
[06:43] <Captainkrtek> lol
[06:44] <Captainkrtek> j1mc, you ever see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq_A8nXMsQ
[06:45] <j1mc> i think i've heard of it before
[06:45] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[06:45] <Captainkrtek> good speech
[16:46] <j1mc> i will be in the #ubuntu-classroom chan at 1700 UTC talking about docs.
[16:46] <j1mc> feel free to join and ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat in case i run out of things to say.  :)


[15:29] <xnox> bdmurray: i guess there is a backlog of installer bugs you pinged me about as well =)
[15:30] <bdmurray> I thought about bug 1164783 some more and think it is less important
[15:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1164783 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "during manual partitioning, the size is off-by-one, this causes unexpected resizing" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164783
[15:31] <xnox> bdmurray: i suspect it may be a UI bug, as partman doesn't actually execute to change things by "-1"
[18:29] <bdmurray> xnox: would choosing try ubuntu and then upgrade fail due to using the swap partition for the live environment?
[18:31] <bdmurray> I'm getting and error that the creation of swap space in partition 5 failed which makes sense to me due to the above.


[22:30] <cornfeedhobo> smoser: i forgot to come back yesterday and say i solved my issue, and i think you are right. seperate data volumes is probably a better convention
[22:32] <cornfeedhobo> in case someone is interested in solving lvm support, the "docker-storage-setup" project seems to have solved it


[00:06] <alecu> ok, this is EOD for me.
[00:16] <Chipaca> rye: no... nightlies are going to break real son
[00:16] <Chipaca> soon
[00:16] <rye> Chipaca, should i build a stable nightlie before it all breaks for my amusement?
[01:13] <TrickyJ> Byee all friends :)
[02:46] <IdleOne> Can someone help me/tell me why Tomboy refuse to sync?
[02:50] <IdleOne> no rush on that, feel free to ping me anytime :)
[05:58] <Adrien_> hey what happened to all my data?
[05:59] <Adrien_> i mean it's been a while since I used ubuntu one but does anyone know when if I can expect to get it back
[11:33] <otto__> rye, are you online?
[11:34] <rye> otto__, yes, hi!
[11:34] <otto__> rye, remember me from last evening with the bug about ubuntuone filling my /tmp ?
[11:35] <otto__> rye, bug analyzed and posted at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/702309
[11:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702309 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntuone-process makes hunders of files like /tmp/tmpXXXX, fills hard dirve (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[11:35] <duanedesign> hello rye
[11:35] <rye> otto__, created and kept open, awesome
[11:35] <otto__> The problem is happening at the moment, I could debug more.
[11:36] <rye> otto__, what version of ubuntu are you running?
[11:36] <rye> duanedesign, hi!
[11:36] <otto__> lucid
[11:36] <rye> otto__, ok, great
[11:40] <rye> otto__, could you please attach ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log ? and then see whether you can collect some debug output by killing ubuntuone-syncdaemon and running it as /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug > ~/syncdaemon-debug.log
[11:42] <otto__> attached ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log
[11:43] <rye> failure TRY_AGAIN
[11:44] <rye> facundobatista, hmm, is it possible that upon receiving TRY_AGAIN on upload (bug #702309) the client does not close the filehandle but moves to another content queue item thus accumulating the deflated files?
[11:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 702309 in ubuntuone-client "Ubuntuone-process makes hunders of files like /tmp/tmpXXXX, fills hard dirve (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702309
[11:50] <facundobatista> rye, let me see...
[11:50] <facundobatista> rye, on one hand, the deflated file is created when the Upload starts, and removed if the Upload fails, or finish successfully
[11:51] <facundobatista> TRY_AGAIN is retryable, so the deflated file is not removed (as will be used again)
[11:53] <duanedesign> rye: i keep forgetting the command to run evolution in Maverick+ for debug info. It is no longer /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28. is it e-addressbook-factory
[11:53] <facundobatista> rye, on the other hand, when a command is retried, it's queued on top of the queue
[11:53] <facundobatista> rye, so, it should not happen because of that
[11:56] <facundobatista> rye, otto__, there is something ugly in that log... why are you receiving TRY_AGAIN for all those different files?
[11:56] <otto__> facundobatista, you tell me :)
[11:57] <facundobatista> otto__, I'd need a debug log, from start
[11:59] <otto__> "TRY_AGAIN is retryable, so the deflated file is not removed (as will be used again)" does not sound good. This would mean that if I upload a 40 GB directory, I'd need 40 GB /tmp space. You shouldn't duplicate all my new uploadable files.
[11:59] <facundobatista> otto__, we don't deflate all files at once
[12:00] <otto__> facundobatista, on my computer it looks like it is trying to deflate all files at once
[12:01] <otto__> why else put 22Gb+ stuff in tmp?
[12:01] <rye> duanedesign, well, yes...
[12:01] <facundobatista> otto__, we may have a bug, that's why I need the debug logs
[12:01] <rye> rodrigo_, ping, is there any news regarding couchdb evolution corruption?
[12:04] <otto__> facundobatista: first 15 minutes logged at http://otto.kekalainen.net/u1-bugs/syncdaemon-debug-1344-1359.log. I won't attach it to the bug report, since file names contain private data and I don't want to make the bug private either (in case somebody else has the same problem).
[12:07] <otto__> facundobatista: Interesting. Now when I'm running in debug mode, upload started immediately and I didn't have to wait for hours. Also, in stead of files like /tmp/tmpXXXXXX I can now see a file name /tmp/000108.jpg and it's a picture from my folder ~/Kuvat uploading.
[12:07] <rye> o_O
[12:08] <facundobatista> otto__, debug mode does not change behaviour, just what is logged and what it doesn't
[12:08] <otto__> u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l shows now 7152
[12:09] <otto__> u1sdtool --current-transfers is Current uploads: 0 Current downloads: 0
[12:09] <otto__> Network shows 140 KB/s uploading..
[12:09] <rye> otto__, is there anything in u1sdtool --waiting-meta ?
[12:10] <facundobatista> otto__, OTOH, syncdaemon is quite self-fixer
[12:11] <facundobatista> otto__, you can use nethogs to see who's using your network
[12:13] <otto__> facundobatista, installing nethogs.. however the network upload dropped now to 0. u1sdtool -s shows State: READY and offline. I'll try u1sdtool -c
[12:16] <facundobatista> otto__, if it's in READY, it's not using the network
[12:17] <otto__> facundobatista, Yes, appatently it went offline by itself. I already ran u1sdtool -c. It is now in State: SERVER_RESCAN
[12:20] <facundobatista> otto__, it does not go offline by itself unless a serious problem happened
[12:21] <facundobatista> otto__, search for Traceback or ERROR in the logs
[12:22] <otto__> facundobatista: I guess there is a serious problem then. It is still in State: SERVER_RESCAN. If it behaves like before, it will take hours until the uploading starts and /tmp gets filled. I'll send you the debug log then. Is there anything else I can do to help you help me?
[12:28] <otto__> Now State: QUEUE_MANAGER. /tmp/tmpfPFtnz appeared. No outgoing traffic. 50 MB log at http://otto.kekalainen.net/u1-bugs/syncdaemon-debug.log
[12:29] <otto__> queues: WORKING_ON_CONTENT
[12:29] <facundobatista> otto__, all that is fine
[12:29] <facundobatista> otto__, the tmp file appears when it started to zip the original file
[12:30] <facundobatista> otto__, is the tmp file growing?
[12:30] <facundobatista> otto__, how is your disk space left?
[12:30] <otto__> yes:<PHONE_NUMBER> 2011-01-13 14:30 tmpfPFtnz<PHONE_NUMBER> 2011-01-13 14:30 tmpfPFtnz. 20 GB free disk space.
[12:32] <facundobatista> otto__, 2GB of deflated file? wow
[12:33] <otto__> facundobatista: there is a sync icon on our wedding video (12,5 GB)
[12:37] <facundobatista> otto__, your last log file does not have any error, but note that your SD starts disconnected, so the serious problem may made it restart, and that rotated the log
[12:37] <facundobatista> otto__, still ziping the file?
[12:38] <otto__> 3,9G 2011-01-13 14:37 tmpfPFtnz
[12:38] <otto__> yes
[12:57] <rodrigo_> rye, I committed a fix in couchdb-glib that should have been in the nightlies in the last couple of weeks
[12:57] <rodrigo_> rye, still seeing it?
[13:00] <rye> rodrigo_, looking, in any case could you please update bug #673568 (e.g. attach the branch reference) ?
[13:00] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 673568 in evolution-couchdb (and 1 other project) "Error modifying contact, other error when saving contacts (affects: 30) (dups: 4) (heat: 146)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/673568
[13:03] <rodrigo_> rye, it was done in git, no bzr branch
[13:03] <rodrigo_> but yes, updating the bug
[13:10] <otto__> facundobatista: done at 12G 2011-01-13 15:09 tmpfPFtnz and then it moved on to make new files, like 50M 2011-01-13 15:09 tmpB0RXfb, 17M 2011-01-13 15:09 tmpiOH5Cu, 7,6M 2011-01-13 15:09 tmppiaYKw
[13:11] <otto__> facundobatista: uploading at 120KB/s, nethogs tells it is program /usr/bin/python
[13:11] <facundobatista> otto__, debug logs at this point, please
[13:12] <facundobatista> otto__, you can see which python program is with the pid
[13:17] <otto__> facundobatista: uploading http://otto.kekalainen.net/u1-bugs/syncdaemon-debug-1400-.log
[13:19] <facundobatista> otto__, let me know when it finished uploading
[13:39] <otto__> facundobatista: http://otto.kekalainen.net/u1-bugs/syncdaemon-debug-1400-.log done (15 minutes ago, I was away a while)
[13:39] <rye> rodrigo_, while trying to create a contact in Maverick w/ nightlies i received a Segfault
[13:39] <rye> rodrigo_, doing gdb
[13:43] <facundobatista> otto__, it always helps to zip these logs
[13:51] <rye> rodrigo_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/553598/ :(
[13:51] <rye> rodrigo_, crash upon creating new contact
[13:57] <facundobatista> otto__, which client version are you using?
[13:58] <facundobatista> otto__, which Ubuntu do you have?
[14:00] <facundobatista> otto__, wow, you have a pre-generations client!
[14:01] <facundobatista> rye, did we backport generations to lucid?
[14:01] <facundobatista> __lucio__, ^ ?
[14:02] <otto__> facundobatista: I'm running lucid with all the latest updates.
[14:03] <rye> facundobatista, not in main, only in nightlies, lucid standard is still running pre-generations support as far as I know
[14:03] <facundobatista> rye, wow
[14:03] <facundobatista> rye, is there a way for otto__ to use newer client without going into nightlies? nightlies is not rock solid (it's just trunk)
[14:05] <facundobatista> otto__, yes, we have a bug in that version than when a retryable failure happens, other command is queued, so other Upload enters into it, and start zipping other file
[14:05] <rye> facundobatista, there is also "ubuntuone/stable" which is somehow more stable than trunk, need to check it now for lucid
[14:05] <facundobatista> rye, it has 1.4, right?
[14:06] <facundobatista> otto__, you should seriously consider upgrading the client version if will handle thousands of files
[14:08] <rye> facundobatista, should be ubuntuone-client - <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1~lucid1
[14:10] <otto__> rye, facundobatista: I am a U1 paying customer and I've spent several days of my spare time to fix U1 bugs (this isn't the only one) because I want to support Ubuntu/Canonical. This isn't about how I can get my stuff working, but about how you can get your stuff working for everybody. Please fix this bug by releasing a new client for Lucid which everybody would use.
[14:10] <facundobatista> rye, but that is not lucid by default, right? I just checked and bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/trunk *has* generations
[14:10] <karni> hellow fellow developers!
[14:10] <facundobatista> Hola karni
[14:11] <karni> hey facundobatista
[14:11] <rye> facundobatista, lucid has 1.2.2-0ubuntu2 by default
[14:11] <otto__> rye, facundobatista: I need to go shopping. Comment on #702309 if you come up with a solutiong.
[14:11] <otto__> bye!
[14:11] <karni> beuno: hello there!
[14:12] <facundobatista> otto__, bye! thanks for your help
[14:17] <beuno> heya karni!
[14:17] <karni> beuno: :)
[14:24] <AJenbo> http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7940/7d405ef594dc4a0597a91a0.jpg
[14:25] <AJenbo> oops
[14:33] <karni> verterok: Hello my dearest developer! If I want to sync-up (upload) a modified file, I should 1. unlink the old version and 2. upload the new copy - is that correct?
[14:34] <verterok> karni: hi
[14:34] <karni> verterok: hello :)
[14:34] <verterok> karni: no, you just upload the new content to the same file
[14:34] <karni> verterok: oh, great! so I use the same nodeId, right?
[14:34] <karni> good. thanks verterok !
[14:34] <verterok> karni: yes, but you need to provide the "old" hash
[14:35]  * karni nods!
[14:36] <thisfred> Guacamole!
[14:46] <verterok> karni: btw, the size = 0 in the delta info objects is a bug in the server.
[14:47] <karni> verterok: o oh
[14:48] <verterok> karni: I have the tests...now I "just"need to fix it :p
[14:48] <karni> verterok: thanks for the heads up. I don't need it right now, possibly in Feb/March.
[14:48] <karni> verterok: heheh :) take your time.
[14:48] <verterok> ok
[14:49] <karni> verterok: (so that I can compute fast the size of a UDF and if the user wishes to sync, say 'hey.. this won't fit onto your phones memory!' ;) )
[14:49] <verterok> ahh, ok
[14:52] <karni> beuno: (when you're here), aquarius, CardinalFang: I'd like to setup scheduled sync of files. Question is - when. Do we expect the user to run the app at least once? Or should it know it's supposed to sync periodically even in case of phone reboot (for that, we need another permission)
[14:53] <karni> I think the additional permission makes sense. We thus automate behaviour, and a user can still go the app and disable sync at all.
[14:54] <CardinalFang> karni, I think it's okay to ask for boot-time startup.
[14:54] <karni> CardinalFang++
[14:54] <CardinalFang> Receive boot announcement.  Schedule something to happen.  Exit.
[14:54] <karni> CardinalFang: exactly
[14:55] <karni> Once background data is disabled by user, sync has no effect. Once the user disables syncs, in such case it disables the 'scheduled alarm'
[15:13] <rodrigo_> rye, just did a fix for your crash in evo-couchdb, pushing to git in a minute, so should be in the next nightly
[15:14] <rye> rodrigo_, ok, will be monitoring nigthtiles and poking you :)
[15:14] <rye> rodrigo_, is there a web if for evo-couhcb git?
[15:17] <rodrigo_> rye, git.gnome.org
[15:20] <rye> rodrigo_, sweet!
[15:57] <CardinalFang> thisfred, know of this?  http://beets.radbox.org/
[16:04] <dobey> can i get some reviews on: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/gsd-listen-only/+merge/46131 please?
[16:06] <ralsina> dobey: I'll take a look
[16:07] <ralsina> dobey: approved, but I am assuming you know what you are doing there.
[16:07] <ralsina> dobey: because I don't (at least I don't know if that causes problems elsewhere, so I assume it doesn't)
[16:07] <dobey> it doesn't
[16:08] <dobey> there is no reason that the gsd plug-in should ever request credentials, and it doing so causes ubuntu-sso-login to start at log-in, when it has no need to do so
[16:11] <ralsina> dobey: ok, then
[16:12] <dobey> though, now i see another issue there
[16:16] <dobey> oh no, not another issue actually
[16:16] <dobey> k
[16:16] <thisfred> CardinalFang: yeah, I have seen it, and it looks pretty awesome. I am extremely paranoid about automating too much of the metadata fixing though,
[16:16] <dobey> doh
[16:17] <thisfred> especially since I do things differently from most humans
[16:17] <dobey> and quod libet lets you do it all anyway, right
[16:17] <dobey> don't forget to mention quod libet
[16:20] <thisfred> dobey: thanks, that was what I was going to say next. QL's searching is even more powerful than beets'
[16:21] <thisfred> quod libet + picard pretty much solve the same problem space for me
[16:42] <TrickyJ> Hi friends :) good morning
[16:42] <otto__> facundobatista: still here? I removed 50 % of the contents in ~/Kuvat, including a big 12 GB video file, and now the upload seems to work normally. There is only one temporary file in /tmp/tmpxxxxxx at the time and the upload que is shrinking:u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l: 6184;u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l: 6172
[16:43] <karni> TrickyJ: hello :)
[16:54] <rye> dobey, approved,
[16:54] <dobey> rye: thanks
[17:08] <mandel> ralsina: ping
[17:08] <ralsina> mandel: pong
[17:08] <mandel> ralsina: did I miss the standup again?
[17:09] <ralsina> mandel: no, you didn' t
[17:09]  * mandel is relieved
[17:09] <dobey> you keep falling off your chair
[17:09] <mandel> dobey: that is a terrible joke :)
[17:09] <ralsina> mandel: I had some problems at home today and I am having a difficult time getting things done on time
[17:09]  * ralsina hates plumbers
[17:10] <dobey> hah
[17:10] <ralsina> I am having to go buy stuff or see what's broken or whatever every 10 minutes all day
[17:11] <mandel> ralsina: ok, no worries, but if you want to get rid of the plumber try with this: 'Your princess is in another castle'
[17:11] <mandel> it usually works
[17:11] <ralsina> mandel: now THAT is a terrible joke
[17:12] <ralsina> mandel: but I forgive you and dobey for them
[17:12] <dobey> heh
[17:12] <mandel> ralsina: is waaaaaaay better than the one with the farts and the doctor that you tell
[17:12] <ralsina> mandel: well, I only use that one when it's necessary
[17:13] <mandel> sure...
[17:14] <ralsina> mandel: wanna see my standup routine?
[17:15] <ralsina> mandel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeoK5mW4X-c    I am afraid it's a bit nerdy
[17:22] <rye> otto__, are you using ubuntuone music store?
[17:24] <mandel> ralsina: you should find a less pixelatted video, besides that I approve :)
[17:24] <ralsina> mandel: sadly that's the only video available :-)
[17:25] <mandel> :(
[17:43] <mandel> ralsina: I've got rugby training, if you guys do a standup I can be back here in 4:30 hours more or less
[17:43] <mandel> by the way that includes travelling, I do not run for 4 hours..
[17:43] <ralsina> mandel: not today, I am probably going to be away soon
[17:44] <mandel> ralsina: ok, then have a good one
[17:44] <ralsina> I am going to swap today for a vacation day because I have not done anything useful
[17:44] <mandel> all: see you tom!
[17:44] <ralsina> bye mandel!
[20:31] <karni> Have a great day guys. I'm still availible online if anybody needs me, but heading to other stuff now.
[20:32]  * beuno waves
[20:33] <karni> beuno: FYI - periodic sync works (also, on phone boot/restart). sync includes meta and redownlad of favourite files (if necessary). there's still some work on the sync (Media, +upload of modified favourite files). I'll get there really soon :)
[20:34] <beuno> karni, sounds like huge progress
[20:34] <beuno> enjoy your evening
[20:34] <karni> beuno: thank you, you as well :)
[20:37] <mterry> CardinalFang, vds: Heard you folks were working on 3rd party REST API goodness?
[20:40] <dobey> i don't think they are working on the REST API side of things
[20:41] <mterry> dobey, man, I can never seem to find the people that are.  :)  I think I've asked about every member of the team now
[20:41] <beuno> vds is
[20:56] <otto__> rye: yes, I'm using ubuntuone music store
[20:56] <ralsina> mterry dobey: I think vds is
[20:57] <mterry> ralsina, k, thanks.  Will lie in wait
[20:57] <ralsina> mterry: you mayl have to come a bit earlier to find him awake, though :)
[20:57] <dobey> mterry: he's in .it
[20:58] <mterry> I'll just email him
[20:58] <mterry> thanks all
[20:59] <vds> mterry: yep I am
[21:00] <mterry> vds, ah, just emailed you  :)
[21:01] <vds> mterry: ok, if you want we can chat tomorrow, I've already EODed
[21:02] <mterry> vds, cool
[21:02] <vds> mterry: timezone?
[21:02] <mterry> vds, I'm in EST
[21:03] <mterry> vds, sorry, tomorrow I'll be one hour west of that
[21:05] <vds> mterry: uhm, we are very far :)
[21:05] <mterry> vds, yeah. :)  Email is fine
[21:05] <vds> mterry: ok, have a nice day!
[21:05] <mterry> bye!
[21:05] <rye> otto__, the stable version in ppa does not properly work in lucid so in case you add the stable ppa the music store will stop working
[21:22] <otto__> rye: Thanks for the info but I'm not going to install any PPAs. I want to run vanilla Lucid and help catch any bugs present in it. You see, I want to enhance the Ubuntu experience to everybody, including our company clients.
[21:22] <rye> facundobatista, ^
[21:22] <facundobatista> ok
[21:23] <otto__> rye: 99% of the users don't report bugs, they just stop using it or change to Dropbox or similar. I've recommended our customers to use Ubuntu One, so I want to make sure it works. (And all of our customers use Lucid, since minor releases are likely not stable enough for "normal" users.)
[21:25] <otto__> I've also noticed that U1 deletes files with too long filenames. I'll write a bug report later if I have time..
[21:26] <otto__> Now I need to get some sleep. See you later!
[21:35] <dholbach> hiya
[21:36] <dholbach> rye, the music made it to the web, but not to me yet
[21:36] <alecu> thisfred, approved
[21:36] <rye> dholbach, is u1sdtool --status showing READY ?
[21:36] <dholbach> it says IDLE
[21:36] <dholbach> and QUEUE_MANAGER
[21:37] <dholbach> I reconnected and I'm on natty
[21:38] <rye> dholbach, ok, so there are no new songs in .ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One ?
[21:38] <dholbach> rye, not the one I'm looking for
[21:39] <thisfred> alecu: awesome, landing
[21:39] <dholbach> rye, I don't have the nightlie ppa, so I don't have desktopcouch-ubuntuone
[21:39] <rye> dholbach, no, file sync is separate from dc
[21:39] <rye> ok
[21:39] <dholbach> ok
[21:41] <rye> dholbach, try the following script - http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/us/ubuntuone-rescan-music.py - just download it and run as python ubuntuone-rescan-music.py
[21:41] <rye> and see what it does
[21:41] <rye> *whether it does something
[21:41] <dholbach> WORKING_ON_METADATA
[21:44] <rye> dholbach, has it finished working?
[21:50] <dholbach> rye, ok, that made it work
[21:50] <dholbach> rye, thanks a lot!
[21:52] <rye> dholbach, you're welcome but it is not supposed to be so... mmm delayed
[21:52] <dholbach> no idea what happened
[21:52] <dholbach> it happened to me before
[22:20] <gord> hey, anyone know if there are any plans to let the android music streaming app stream music from shared fodlers?
[22:22] <dobey> probably not
[22:22] <dobey> i would guess
[22:23] <dobey> but maybe
[22:23] <kklimonda> it does sound like a legal landmine
[22:24] <gord> well you can just copy it all down and upload it to your own storage, its just painful to do that
[22:26] <kklimonda> yes - but I can't think of many fair uses for streaming music from shared folders.
[22:27] <gord> your friend has lots of great CC music that you want to listen to?
[22:29] <kklimonda> I can think of few fair uses - but the truth is most people don't listen to the CC music. And that may not be fair, but this is the world we are living in.
[22:29] <kklimonda> but it still may be on their rader
[22:30] <kklimonda> fortunately such decisions aren't mine to take ;)
[22:30] <gord> are there any ubuntuone guys at the platform sprint i can bribe with beers? ;)
[22:33] <dobey> you can bribe me all you want
[22:49] <thisfred> except dobey prefers Shirley Temples to beer
[22:50] <dobey> i'm not big on redheads, actually
[22:51] <thisfred> Virgin Mary's?
[22:52] <dobey> or girls named Mary


[12:13] <Greyvend> Hello, guys. Don't really know what to do. Today I've installed updates on my Kubuntu 14.04 and after reboot the screen picture became split into 3 blocks. The updates were linux-generic, linux-image-generic, linux-headers, linux-libc-dev. All the versions: 3.13.0-29
[12:14] <Greyvend> Does anybody know the solution? Is it a known bug of recent updates?
[12:19] <rbasak> Greyvend: this channel is specifically for bug triage. Try #ubuntu for user support.
[12:23] <Greyvend> well, it seems to be a bug in linux-image-3.13.0-29generic. I just purged this package and now it's fine.
[19:07] <robotdevil> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291835


[09:42]  * mpt wonders how to explain a checksum error in plain English
[15:41] <mpt> JohnLea, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Phone