[03:00] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:24] <ducasse> good morning
[07:44] <lordievader> Good morning
[18:14] <sarnold> re all the bluetooth questions .. silly cartoon https://twitter.com/ph_hofer/status/1339079865375416320
[18:16] <oerheks> yay https://blog.gtk.org/2020/12/16/gtk-4-0/
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> dr hand banana :p
[18:58] <jeremy31> sarnold: do you have the same USB wifi as lotuspsychje
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: i found a few similar bus reports on the kernels i have affected, bug #1907764 is one
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> i also get those FF freezes, anything sudo freeze, networking not working, gnome settings wifi&network blank oops
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: installing hwe 20.04 edge fixes me
[19:01] <jeremy31> Try my github.  github.com/jeremyb31/mt76 see if it works for you
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> ok ill try tomorrow jeremy31
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[19:02] <sarnold> jeremy31: no
[19:03] <jeremy31> sarnold: is mt76x02-lib.ko loaded?
[19:06] <sarnold> jeremy31: err, do you perchance mean someone else?
[19:08] <jeremy31> I figured it might be your results in the comments on lotuspsychje's bug report
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: filtering latest linux bugs, a lot of bad news on the -54 kernels and higher
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> several reports of weird networking and freezes
[19:10] <jeremy31> Got to get back to work, later
[19:10] <sarnold> jeremy31: ah :) no, I just know I've got the ability to flip bugs from "Fix released" to "confirmed" :)
[22:04] <jeremy31> sarnold: This bug report is similar to lotus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1906770 and my old fix worked by removing the mutex lock
[22:07] <sarnold> jeremy31: I do hope it's really just that one patch, that'd simplify a lot :)
[22:08] <jeremy31> sarnold: Tested myself on 5.4.0-58 with ID 0846:9053 NetGear, Inc. A6210
[22:09] <sarnold> jeremy31: zounds, I've never built an ubuntu kernel before :)
[22:10] <jeremy31> sarnold: I just built the modules in the /net/wireless/mediatek/mt76 directory
[22:10] <sarnold> jeremy31: that sounds harder, heh
[22:11] <jeremy31> It would take 30 minutes or more for a entire kernel, not hardly a minute for mt76


[01:54] <foli_> hi
[02:01] <penguin42> hey
[10:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[17:24] <diddledan> grr. everywhere I look for a WordPress dev env that uses Docker I get pushback in the form of: 1) the project says "supporting Docker would be too difficult because we'd need to organise yet another VM type" or 2) further to 1, the project insists on running their own Docker VM built their way rather than using the proper Docker environment
[17:25] <diddledan> e.g. on Linux they'd insist on spinning up a virtualbox VM to run Docker rather than.. you know.. just running Docker on the system as is
[17:26] <diddledan> and on Windows, anyone running Docker would want to use the official "Native Docker" which runs via Hyper-V using officially sanctioned methods, but these other projects insist on using their VBox VM which obviously won't work because Hyper-V is active.
[17:27] <diddledan> and on MacOS, they insist on the same as Windows meaning you get VM proliferation draining your RAMs because you've got the official Native Docker running AND a VBox VM doing exactly the same thing but only for this third-party project

[17:33] <ali1234> is it just me or does this cat look like popey: http://www.gopetsamerica.com/cats/cute-cats/thai-cat3.jpg
[17:35] <penguin42> ali1234: His sideburns aren't that grey
[17:37] <diddledan> is that cat sat on a pair of lady's boomboombs?
[17:38] <diddledan> in statue-form obv
[17:41] <diddledan> ali1234: as to whether it looks like popey, I'm assuming you're referring to his vacant gaze staring off into the distance while someone tries to talk to him? in which case, no, not like popey at all :-p
[17:41] <ali1234> i don't know why it looks like popey to me, but it does
[17:42] <ali1234> seriously tho, can anyone else see it?
[18:34] <popey> ali1234: wat
[18:35]  * diddledan strokes popey's fur
[19:04]  * zmoylan-pi arranges for coupon for popey for full body wax...
[22:08] <daftykins> have i seen one of you guys say before that you can set PA on a default ubuntu desktop install to output to both analog outputs and HDMI on a graphics card at the same time?
[22:08] <daftykins> got someone in #kodi asking but since i don't run desktop...
[22:12] <daftykins> yep seems a 'paprefs' thing
[22:19] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38918010 - this is fine
[22:19] <brobostigon> http://www.allrolledup.co.uk/catalog/product.html?fold=StarfleetOps&file=starfleet-operations hint hint, yes please, :)
[23:21] <daftykins> http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15058898.Dad_keeps_his_cool_again_as_he_delivers_daughter_in_the_back_of_a_taxi/
[23:22] <daftykins> this is a mate of mine :>
[23:48] <diddledan> daftykins: I prefer the usual postal service
[23:48] <diddledan> using taxis as a delivery medium is just plain expensive
[23:48] <daftykins> diddledan: that's one delivery i'd return to sender
[23:48] <daftykins> pesky Storks
[23:49] <diddledan> speaking of which, that movie is available for purchase now
[23:50] <diddledan> https://play.google.com/store/movies/details?id=towjkmEN2Gs
[23:50] <diddledan> ^ there ya go
[23:50] <diddledan> oh I forgot you're not allowed to use that
[23:50] <daftykins> :D
[23:50] <diddledan> bloomin international companies not being international enough
[23:51] <daftykins> i told you what happened with xbox live didn't i?
[23:51] <diddledan> probably. I have forgotten though
[23:51] <daftykins> at the time when i had both the 360 and the xbone, i had the cunning idea of moving my account's location country to 'Guernsey' the day i saw it was there, to hopefully get tax free prices on the store
[23:52] <daftykins> instead i got "xbox live is not available where you are" and support said "sorry you have to wait 2 months for us to change this back"
[23:52] <diddledan> ah. grr
[23:52] <diddledan> that's nucking futs
[23:53] <daftykins> xbox one kept working fine during that time, but lawl :D
[23:53] <diddledan> they coulda warned you before accepting the change though
[23:53] <diddledan> like "you what mate? you ain't gonna get nuffink if you move there!"
[23:54] <daftykins> indeedy
[23:54] <daftykins> i have to get quotes for a hotel for me and a hotel for the cat soon!
[23:54] <diddledan> lucky cat
[23:55] <daftykins> yipyip
[23:55] <daftykins> http://dukeofnormandie.com/rooms/mini-rooms/ one of these might do
[23:58] <diddledan> wow. all that for one cat?!
[23:59] <daftykins> haha
[23:59] <zmoylan-pi> well the eu is looking at doing away with geoblocks... not sure how that will sit with various multitudes of copyright shenanigans


[02:38] <fego> Pici: hi,
[02:38] <fego> Pici: are you available for a short query ?
[17:38] <genii-around> If anyone's around with +o in #ubuntu-classroom: "<ailo> Hello. I'm supposed to represent Ubuntu Studio, but it seems I'm not able to send to the channel, right?" from -chat. philballew is +o there but seems afk
[17:39] <genii-around> Possibly even some IRCC member with access, etc
[17:41] <Fuchs> the channel is currently +m, one could remove that, but as far as I remember it, this is done via the meeting bot on purpose, so I'd rather have someone with bot access doing it the clean way
[17:42] <genii-around> OK. He is now starting the talk in -chat for now since time is going by
[17:43] <Pici> genii-around: *!*@ubuntu/member/*    +Aiotv
[18:17] <genii-around> I opped and copy-pasted the #ubuntu-classroom-chat session into #ubuntu-classroom for the logs. But the problem: I was in a hurry to finish before the session ended and all the entries are attributed to me instead of the original people who said them ( I only managed to copy the column with the content by mistake ). Is there some way to rectify this in the logs or is it permanent now?
[18:20]  * genii-around wanders back to work
[19:00] <AlanBell> hi genii-around
[19:01] <AlanBell> hmm, looks like JoseeAntonioR and the classroom team were not expecting that session or something
[19:07] <genii-around> Hi AlanBell. So it would not have been logged anyhow or such?
[19:08] <AlanBell> well it will be logged, not sure they are reformatting logs any more
[19:08] <AlanBell> just classbot wasn't aware of the session
[19:09] <AlanBell> plus it seems there was nobody in -classroom-backstage to fix stuff
[19:12] <genii-around> Ah, OK
[23:19] <JoseeAntonioR> yes, philballew was there but didn't tell me nothing. I'm very sorry about it, looks like the calendar didn't update in time


[06:59] <Mirv> robru: funny ^ , see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/xenial/ubuntu-qt-packages - is there some outdated permission data read from somewhere?
[07:00] <Mirv> I was able to ack webbrowser-app dual landing packaging changes earlier though
[07:01] <robru> Mirv: just calls checkUpload, should include PPU as far as i know
[07:01] <Mirv> robru: yes, and like I said I newly was able to ack + publish webbrowser-app which comes from the same PPU. maybe something "vivid only" specific?
[07:02] <Mirv> I'm not sure if the PPU means I don't have permission to upload those packages to earlier Ubuntus...
[07:02] <robru> Mirv: not as far as I'm aware, it treats stable overlay same as distro. Unless your PPU is only for xenial or something
[07:03] <Mirv> robru: well it's not specifically only for xenial but I was thinking that the packageset url has "xenial" in it
[07:03] <robru> Mirv: code was approved by Steve and Colin, so double check that your PPU is correct
[07:03] <Mirv> robru: sure the PPU is correct, it reads "oxide-qt" in there
[07:03] <Mirv> anyway, no big problem
[07:04] <Mirv> just interesting
[07:08] <robru> Mirv: yeah, dunno, sorry. maybe try running it with DEBUG and mail me the log, I'll look into it tomorrow.
[07:20] <Mirv> robru: thanks, no worries, I'll look if I spot something similar in the future too
[07:21] <robru> Mirv: oh try just copying the packages by hand. If your PPU is correct that should work, and train will notice and track it anyway
[07:22] <Mirv> robru: that's true too, train works well in that case as well. anyway, sil2100 can also publish it, there's no hurry.
[07:22] <Mirv> robru: but that's vivid only silo so that's why the copying would work anyway regardless of PPU.
[07:23] <robru> Mirv: oh OK i assumed it was dual without checking
[07:23] <robru> Mirv: in that case even i can copy it to overlay PPA ;-)
[09:53] <Mirv> davmor2: jibel: can either of you transform a normal JPG / photo taken with non-Ubuntu device to phone's Pictures/com.ubuntu.camera folder?  for me the photo is incorrectly rotated 90 degrees both in photo roll and gallery. I realized this when I started wondering why so many of my old photos transferred from elsewhere need rotating in gallery
[09:53] <Mirv> ...or is this a known bug there's a bug already for. OTA-9.
[09:54] <Mirv> Bq E4.5 in question
[09:55] <Mirv> I think this is because of some recent fix to camera, and not something that always was there
[09:59] <Mirv> ah, lpotter already filed bug #1541210
[09:59] <ubot5`> bug 1541210 in gallery-app (Ubuntu) "Photos are displayed as 90 degree rotated in photo roll" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541210
[10:01] <davmor2> Mirv: not sure I follow, for me the top is always displayed at the top whether the top is landscape or portrait
[10:02] <Mirv> davmor2: if I transfer a portrait photo taken with my normal camera to Bq, it's showed rotated 90 degrees
[10:02] <Mirv> and not in portrait
[10:02] <Mirv> davmor2: and it seems it also affects photos taken on Turbo, behaving similarly to transferring photos from external source
[10:02] <davmor2> Mirv: oh okay let me try that then
[11:04] <Mirv> jibel: davmor2: sil2100: I would respectfully ask you to put https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/944 manually in QA queue. The overrides are now implemented, and retries have been made fixing all other britney failures than kwin, which is caused by Train using all of proposed for testing and new libhybris breaking the tests. pitti allowed me to quote him on his blessing on this issue.
[11:05] <Mirv> we'd apparently need to not use all of proposed for our britney testing in order to not be caught in situations like this for silos
[11:05] <Mirv> there's another three bug fixes waiting for qtdeclarative after this landing
[11:16] <cjwatson> Mirv: PPUs are series-specific, yes.  You'll need to ask the DMB to extend that to vivid to make this work properly in the future
[11:16] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@niejwein ~>$ edit-acl -p timo-jyrinki -S xenial -s oxide-qt check
[11:16] <cjwatson> Timo Jyrinki (timo-jyrinki) can upload oxide-qt to Xenial/Release
[11:16] <cjwatson> <cjwatson@niejwein ~>$ edit-acl -p timo-jyrinki -S vivid -s oxide-qt check
[11:16] <cjwatson> Timo Jyrinki (timo-jyrinki) cannot upload oxide-qt to Vivid/Release
[11:19] <Mirv> cjwatson: thanks again for reading the backlog :) that's no big issue, I think I'll rather aim towards core dev rights next.
[11:25] <Mirv> bug #1541334 filed for the remaining britney issue
[11:25] <ubot5`> bug 1541334 in Bileto "Do not run britney on all of proposed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541334
[13:00] <davmor2> Mirv: silo 23 is this meant for ota9.5 there aren't any mp or bugs attached to it
[13:02] <davmor2> Mirv: nevermind found them
[13:17] <Mirv> davmor2: no, ota10
[13:17] <jibel> Mirv, is anything fixing kwin in xenial because even if these silos are approved they'll be blocked in xenial?
[13:17] <jibel> s/anything/any one/
[13:21] <Mirv> jibel: pitti can hint it so that it doesn't try to test it together with hybris. also, I believe morphis got a promise from Kubuntu folks they'd be fixing kwin too.
[13:22] <morphis> Mirv: I got
[13:22] <Mirv> right, hopefully that happens soon too
[13:22] <morphis> Mirv, jibel, pitti: yofel over in #kubuntu-devel said he will fix that
[13:27] <jibel> morphis, it's a regression, so an hint is not the solution.
[13:27] <jibel> morphis, okay
[13:27] <jibel> first reply was for Mirv
[13:29] <morphis> jibel: its not a regression, they are using APIs libhbris never exposed as stable
[13:29] <morphis> jibel: however they are dropping the build-dep on that
[13:30] <jibel> morphis, okay, it's a regression in the sense that a package that used to build will now fail. But I understand it's under control :)
[13:30] <morphis> yeah :-)
[13:30] <morphis> jibel: I am close to make those APIs really private
[13:30] <morphis> but that still needs some time ...
[13:35] <Mirv> jibel: it's a solution for letting others than libhybris in
[13:36] <Mirv> jibel: autopkgtests work so that they take a couple of involved packages and test them together. sometimes it's tricky because one of the proposed packages causes a failure but the other one doesn't.
[13:36] <Mirv> but yeah in any way it's in control
[14:10] <kgunn> trainguards do you have magic powers to target build vivid-arm64 only?
[14:10] <kgunn> it's the only failure i got on
[14:10] <kgunn> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/942
[14:17] <Mirv> kgunn: retried, check the logs as they proceed
[14:19] <Mirv> kgunn: note that your ticket also says "Needs rebuild due to new commits (mir/xenial)"
[14:19] <Mirv> probably duflu's typo fix 7h ago
[14:37] <kgunn> Mirv: dang it..duflu....always touching
[14:59] <dobey> trainguards: hi can i get retries for https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-041/+build/8871609 and https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-041/+build/8871611 please?
[15:08] <cjwatson> dobey: done
[15:11] <dobey> cjwatson: thanks
[16:44] <Saviq> robru, uh oh https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-051-1-build/72/console ?
[16:45] <robru> Saviq: on it
[16:49] <robru> Saviq: ok try again
[16:49] <Saviq> robru, looks better, thanks
[16:50] <robru> Saviq: heh, sorry for breaking it ;-)
[16:50] <Saviq> nw
[16:56] <Saviq> robru, btw, filed bug #1540860 yesterday, I know not trivial, but maybe somewhere down the line
[16:56] <ubot5`> bug 1540860 in CI Train [cu2d] "Should error out if a branch's prerequisite isn't in the list of MPs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540860
[16:57] <robru> Saviq: yeah I have some questions about that, but a bit busy at the moment
[16:57] <Saviq> ack
[18:41] <alexabreu> robru, ping
[18:43] <robru> alexabreu: pong
[18:43] <alexabreu> robru, I'd need help for 2 silos ...
[18:43] <robru> What's up?
[18:43] <alexabreu> robru, silo 16 not sure what's failing ...
[18:44] <robru> alexabreu: what aren't you sure about?
[18:45] <alexabreu> robru,  the auto signoff failure ...
[18:45] <robru> alexabreu: did you look at the excuses page?
[18:48] <alexabreu> robru, yes ... https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-016/excuses.html ... unity8 is marked as regressing for i386 ...
[18:48] <robru> alexabreu: yeah. So you'd need somebody familiar with unity8 to dig into what failed there.
[18:49] <alexabreu> robru, yeah ... I was wondering if it was a red herring
[18:50] <robru> alexabreu: I'm not really familiar with unity8 so it's hard to say. In theory your silo broke unity8.
[18:50] <alexabreu> robru, also for silo 47 ... which fails building for https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-047-1-build/lastBuild/console
[18:51] <alexabreu> robru, ok I'll investigate
[18:51] <dobey> hmm, where was that mail about the autopkgtest retry stuff
[18:51] <alexabreu> it shouldn't have ... broken unity8)
[18:51] <alexabreu> but ok
[18:52] <robru> dobey: it's not implemented for silos yet. In -proposed there's just a link to click in excuses.html
[18:52] <dobey> oh
[18:54] <dobey> robru: so i have ping pitti i guess? have trainguards still not been given enough permissions to retry tests?
[18:54] <robru> alexabreu: for silo 47 there's a manual upload of that package in Ubuntu that wasn't landed on trunk. You need to find that version in launchpad, and check the diff. If the diff is just a no-change rebuild then you can ignore it and force the build. If the diff has any substance whatsoever, you need to commit it to trunk, otherwise your silo will regress it
[18:55] <alexabreu> robru, mmmh weird, ack thx
[18:55] <robru> dobey: there are no plans to give trainguards retry permissions for autopkgtests. The retries are based on upload rights
[18:55] <kenvandine> anyone know the magic words to run autopkgtests locally for armhf?
[18:55] <alexabreu> robru, is there a way to retrigger britney for silo 16?
[18:55] <dobey> kenvandine: you don't have enough goats
[18:55] <kenvandine> adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud downloads the image but never boots it in qemu
[18:55] <alexabreu> just to make sure
[18:56] <kenvandine> dobey, i guess... it's driving me nuts :)
[18:56]  * kenvandine looks for more goats
[18:56] <robru> alexabreu: you can ask pitti to rerun the autopkgtest
[18:57]  * dobey wonders how to get this test rerun, without depending on one single person in germany
[19:02] <robru> dobey: well pitti is online right now because he's sprinting with me. Maybe ask him who else has access, i don't know
[19:26] <kgunn> trainguards i'm having a problem b/c of a mistake i made, so my u-s-c branch in
[19:26] <kgunn> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/942
[19:27] <kgunn> is 0.4 but the packages showing up in the ppa are 0.5
[19:27] <kgunn> b/c i had "accidently" used an incorrect branch there
[19:27] <kgunn> not sure, but can the u-s-c pkgs just be deleted and then can i rebuild to get 0.4 ?
[19:27] <kgunn> or should i abandon and just start over?
[19:27] <kgunn> happy to abandon
[19:28] <robru> kgunn: yeah you can never go backwards with version numbers in a PPA, you need to abandon and reassign the same ticket (don't make a new ticket)
[19:29] <kgunn> robru: uh, how do i "reassign" the same ticket?
[19:29] <robru> kgunn: you abandon it... and then assign it again
[19:30]  * kgunn tries, with raised eyebrow
[19:33] <robru> kgunn: each assign assigns a random ppa so you should get a different ppa. if not just abandon again and assign again
[19:33] <robru> there are only 3 available so chances of getting the same one again are high
[19:42] <kgunn> ok, that seemed to work
[19:57] <charles> bah
[20:47] <alesage> robru, if you have a minute I'm stymied by this dependency-resolution snafu, wonder if you have a second to look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/14871365/
[20:48] <alesage> robru, (all the way at the bottom)
[20:49] <robru> alesage: one sec
[20:53] <robru> alesage: I'm not sure what's going on there but the key clue seems to be "E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled."
[20:53] <robru> alesage: where are you even seeing that?
[20:53] <robru> like that's not a train message
[20:54] <alesage> robru, I've tricked you into diagnosing one of our internal Jenkins logs :/
[20:54] <robru> alesage: oh is this jenkaas stuff?
[20:54] <alesage> robru, well adt-run stuff which fiddles with the overlay, was wondering if a new packaging kink got in somehow
[20:55] <alesage> robru, here are our instructions FWIW http://paste.ubuntu.com/14871427/
[20:55] <robru> alesage: not really sure, sorry. I'd look into "enabling remove" and also that other message about updating the testbed.
[20:55] <alesage> robru, ack thanks for your time
[20:56] <robru> alesage: you're welcome
[21:11] <dobey> robru: hmm, does silo britney not update status if tests are manrually re-run?
[21:12] <dobey> hmm, seems the re-run tests is hung
[21:13] <dobey> especially since typical duration is ~30 min
[21:13] <dobey> and it's been running for 1.5 hrs
[21:24] <dobey> lol, one has "Running for" that keeps increasing, because it's hanged. another has "Running for" that somehow keeps decreasing
[21:25] <dobey> and appears to be hanged, but not entirely sure
[21:25] <dobey> ah no, the ever decreasing one is gone now after another page refresh
[21:26] <dobey> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-unity-scope-click <- seems to be hanged and not going anywhere though :(
[21:54] <robru> dobey: britney runs every ~35 minutes and should pick up whatever tests are running
[21:54] <robru> dobey: any problems you see in running.shtml should be sent to pity, that's not my are
[21:55] <dobey> ok
[21:55] <dobey> robru: well that test has been running for over 2 hours now, i'd expect britney to have changed status to "running" and show "in progress" on excuses page by now, no?
[21:56] <robru> dobey: what ticket?
[21:57] <dobey> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/780
[21:57] <dobey> excuses still says regression and points to the old failed build
[22:12] <robru> dobey: of course it's unity8
[22:12] <robru> dobey: I dunno dude, pitti and I are neck-deep in britney issues, unity8 is causing a lot of problems for a lot of people
[22:12] <dobey> robru: unity8?
[22:13] <robru> dobey: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-041/excuses.html
[22:13] <dobey> robru: unity8 isn't the test or the trigger for this one.
[22:13] <dobey> robru: oh i didn't even notice unity8 there yet
[22:14] <dobey> robru: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-041/excuses.html
[22:14] <robru> oh the othe one's different
[22:14] <dobey> robru: i'm looking at unity-scope-click
[22:15] <dobey> i think the real issue is in autopkgtest though or something; it's where all the python traces are coming from :-/
[22:15] <dobey> or at least, it's timing out waiting for adt-virt-lxc-fnquxu
[22:16] <robru> dobey: yeah you should file some bugs against britney and/or autopkgtest
[22:16] <dobey> ok
[22:21] <dobey> robru: i'll leave you alone for now. i gotta go anyway :)
[22:21] <robru> dobey: yeah sorry, drowning in britney issues right now, not sure what yours is about. i'm hoping one fix fixes everything
[22:24] <dobey> robru: no worries. just have lots of urgent things and trying to get the big stuff off to QA so I can stop worrying about it and having to rebuild it all the time,
[22:24] <robru> dobey: oh, you can probably get a qa person to override the failure and get it in the qa queue anyway
[22:26] <dobey> robru: yeah, but i'm getting tired of having to do that too :)
[22:26] <dobey> i guess i'll ask jibel in the morning
[23:17] <kgunn> trainguards ok, one more time, can someone kick just arm64-xenial build for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/942
[23:17] <kgunn> seems to have timed out on both
[23:17] <robru> kgunn: on it
[23:18] <robru> kgunn: ok done
[23:20] <kgunn> ta


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[04:14] <vorlon> RikMills: extra-cmake-modules and kconfig can't be removed from the whitelist, they're part of the build-dependency closure on i386 for things we do need to keep
[04:16] <vorlon> RikMills: I'm looking at bringing in the new dependencies of lintian, but also it would appear this lintian is going to require an MIR
[04:16] <vorlon> xnox: ^^ do you intend to follow through on an MIR for the new lintian deps?
[04:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libcpanel-json-xs-perl to i386-whitelist in focal
[04:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libdevel-size-perl to i386-whitelist in focal
[04:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libsereal-decoder-perl to i386-whitelist in focal
[04:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libsereal-encoder-perl to i386-whitelist in focal
[06:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added libjson-xs-perl to i386-whitelist in focal
[07:00] <vorlon> RikMills: lintian should be installable now on i386
[07:49] <RikMills> vorlon: thanks
[07:50] <RikMills> what build depends on ecm and kconfig?
[07:54] <RikMills> seb128: can you accept the nv-codec-headers binary?
[08:33] <RikMills> seb128: also, enabling nvenc on ffmpeg. can you confirm as release-team that you do not consider this as requiring a FFe. since over cosmic upwards, this IS a new feature per se, but you can also see it as restoring a feature that was in bionic
[08:34] <seb128> rikMills, hey, NEWing done now
[08:34] <RikMills> :)
[08:34] <seb128> rikMills, I'm not part of the r-t, it does sound like a feature to turn it on in ffmpeg though
[08:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted nv-codec-headers [amd64] (focal-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1]
[08:35] <RikMills> seb128: right. I need to sticky note on my monitor who is AA, who is release-team, and who is both
[08:35] <RikMills> it is confusing ;)
[08:38] <RikMills> sil2100 or Laney - can you offer advise on whether you consider this needs turning into a FFe? LP: #1810649
[08:39] <seb128> Wimpress, ^
[08:40] <seb128> rikMills, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1866709 is sort of a ffe request
[08:40] <seb128> since the packaging is done now might make sense to rename it to ffe
[08:42] <RikMills> can do it either way, but would have to be marked as affecting both packages
[08:42] <RikMills> + if I am to sponsor the ffmpeg upload, I want release-team opinion on the ffmpeg upload
[08:46] <sil2100> RikMills: ok, I think it would be best if this had an FFe, but I'd be +1 on approving it - could you rename the bug + document if you did a test-build and that it built? (logs maybe?)
[08:46] <sil2100> RikMills: I'll approve it then
[08:47] <RikMills> sil2100: thanks. Wimpress is driving this, so I will coordinate to get that done. he has a ppa somewhere with stuff prepared
[08:49] <sil2100> RikMills: excellent, thanks! A link to the PPA would be enough o/
[08:49] <RikMills> ok, I'll get that sorted this morning
[09:07] <RikMills> sil2100: LP: #1810649
[09:41] <xnox> vorlon:  can i unseed devscripts from "server-ship"? cause the classic d-i server iso pool is the only thing that is pulling devscripts & lintian into main.
[09:41] <xnox> unless we want devscripts & lintian in main
[09:42] <xnox> but like ubuntu-dev-tools are in universe
[09:49] <sil2100> RikMills: awesome, approving o/
[09:49] <RikMills> TY :)
[09:51] <Wimpress> seb128: Thanks for the notification.
[09:51] <Wimpress> RikMills: I'll be in touch a little later :-)
[09:51] <RikMills> ok
[09:57] <seb128> Wimpress, np!
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-debbundle-es-to-primitive [sync] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0+~1.1.4+~1.1.0+~1.1.0+~1.0.1+~1.0.2+~1.0.0+~1.0.1-2]
[10:26] <cpaelzer> hi, can I get a ubuntu-release team member to merge a fix to my silly typo at https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-focal-pglogical-ticker/+merge/380705 ?
[10:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: node-debbundle-es-to-primitive [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.0+~1.1.4+~1.1.0+~1.1.0+~1.0.1+~1.0.2+~1.0.0+~1.0.1-2] (no packageset)
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted node-debbundle-es-to-primitive [amd64] (focal-proposed) [1.2.0+~1.1.4+~1.1.0+~1.1.0+~1.0.1+~1.0.2+~1.0.0+~1.0.1-2]
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8 (bionic-proposed/main) [8.3.0-26ubuntu1~18.04 => 8.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04] (core) (sync)
[10:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8-cross (bionic-proposed/main) [18ubuntu0.4 => 18ubuntu0.6] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[10:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8-cross-ports (bionic-proposed/universe) [9ubuntu0.4 => 9ubuntu0.5] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8 (eoan-proposed/universe) [8.3.0-26ubuntu1~19.10 => 8.4.0-1ubuntu1~19.10] (core) (sync)
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8-cross-ports (eoan-proposed/universe) [24ubuntu2 => 24ubuntu2.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gcc-8-cross (eoan-proposed/universe) [31ubuntu2 => 31ubuntu2.1] (ubuntu-desktop) (sync)
[11:01] <RikMills> sil2100: would you mind acking on the ffe bug and marking as triaged (assuming you can at the moment)
[11:04] <sil2100> RikMills: did that already 45 mins ago!
[11:04] <sil2100> ;)
[11:06] <RikMills> sil2100: sorry. I got no email!
[11:06] <RikMills> thanks
[11:07] <RikMills> ah, as I never formally replied, I did not get subbed. sigh
[11:08] <RikMills> even after all this time. LP still catches me out every so often!
[12:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: node-webassemblyjs (focal-proposed/primary) [1.9.0+dfsg-2]
[13:24] <ahasenack> hi release team, if you have a moment, I'd love a review of the following FFes to bring back geoip support for bind9 in focal:
[13:24] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/1866875
[13:24] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmaxminddb/+bug/1867624
[13:24] <ahasenack> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1867150
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hud [s390x] (focal-proposed/universe) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[15:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hud [ppc64el] (focal-proposed/universe) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[15:08] <powersj> sil2100, if you are still around could you look at ahasenack FFEs above?
[15:17] <sil2100> powersj: hey! Sure
[15:17] <sil2100> Oh my, 3 FFes!
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hud [amd64] (focal-proposed/universe) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[15:18]  * RikMills finds another FFe
[15:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hud [arm64] (focal-proposed/universe) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[15:19] <RikMills> LP: #1867136
[15:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: hud [armhf] (focal-proposed/universe) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu3.1] (no packageset)
[15:19] <RikMills> if any release tem could ack that ^ it would be appreciated
[15:20] <RikMills> Simon seems to have gone dark for a bit, and I can't get a response from him under ffe delegation
[15:21] <RikMills> it is not critical :)
[15:52] <Laney> sil2100: hey, pinging you since it's your sru day today... I just got asked by upstream about mutter/eoan, wondering if we can chat about it
[15:52] <Laney> there are a couple of bugs which are maybe/probably not fixed, so I don't feel great about marking them as v-done
[15:53] <Laney> but there are *not* regressions ... so I'd like to release that mutter to -updates to give everyone else the rest of the fixes which are working
[15:53] <Laney> any opinion?
[15:53] <sil2100> Laney: hey! I was wonderng about it some time ago already, asked about what's up with LP: #1853357
[15:53] <Laney> ya, that's one of them
[15:54] <Laney> the claim is that it's not fixed like we said it was
[15:54] <Laney> which I can't disprove, so ... release and then re-open the eoan task?
[15:54] <sil2100> hm, guess we could in theory release those and then switch them back to 'Confirmed'
[15:54] <Laney> that's what I'd like to happen anyway :-)
[15:54] <sil2100> How many such bugs would we have?
[15:54] <sil2100> All the ones that are not verified?
[15:54] <Laney> also bug #1859135
[15:54] <Laney> also bug #1849135
[16:14] <sil2100> Laney: let me get back to you in a bit
[16:14] <Laney> ok
[16:14]  * sil2100 needs to handle the gcc-8 SRU first
[16:14] <Laney> no worries
[16:15] <Laney> apparently there's some problem with firefox that is fixed by this, and upstream are getting a lot of reports which is upsetting them :)
[16:25] <sil2100> RikMills: I might not have enough cycles to take a look at it today sadly!
[16:26]  * sil2100 looks at his today's TODO list with terror in his eyes
[16:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8 [sync] (eoan-proposed) [8.4.0-1ubuntu1~19.10]
[16:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8-cross [sync] (eoan-proposed) [31ubuntu2.1]
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8-cross-ports [sync] (eoan-proposed) [24ubuntu2.1]
[16:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8 [sync] (bionic-proposed) [8.4.0-1ubuntu1~18.04]
[17:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8-cross [sync] (bionic-proposed) [18ubuntu0.6]
[17:03] <RikMills> sil2100: no problem
[17:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gcc-8-cross-ports [sync] (bionic-proposed) [9ubuntu0.5]
[18:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: node-webpack (focal-proposed/primary) [4.30.0-7~ubuntu1]
[19:40] <sil2100> Laney: released! And switched the two bugs back to 'New'
[19:54] <Laney> sil2100: ♥ thanks
[20:54] <kanashiro> hello, I've sync'ed some node packages from Debian to fix a src:jekyll's dependency issue, could someone please approve them for me? they are node-webassemblyjs and node-webpack
[21:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fence-agents (bionic-proposed/universe) [4.0.25-2ubuntu1 => 4.0.25-2ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[21:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pacemaker (bionic-proposed/main) [1.1.18-0ubuntu1.1 => 1.1.18-0ubuntu1.2] (ubuntu-server)
[22:02] <RikMills> vorlon: could you please consider approving LP: #1867136
[22:02] <mwhudson> RikMills: he's not working today
[22:03] <mwhudson> RikMills: of course he's not very good at not working but you still might get better results poking some other member of the release team
[22:04] <RikMills> mwhudson: whaaaaaaaaaaaat? he is normally here 24/7 except when asleep!
[22:04] <RikMills> I jest, but thanks for the info
[22:05] <sarnold> he sleeps?
[22:09] <RikMills> anyway, @release-team, I am unable to get a response from Simon under FFe delegation, so I have to fall back to old paradigm
[23:19] <xnox> sarnold:  their alter-egos alternate sleep, yes.
[23:22] <sarnold> xnox: ahhh that's how they do it :)


[00:47] <jrmy> how do i choose with audio device is my default in lucid?
[00:47] <jrmy> which*
[00:47] <jrmy> or choose the devices firstly
[00:47] <jrmy> first*
[02:42] <miguelux> hola
[02:42] <miguelux> hello
[02:42] <miguelux> im installing xubuntu
[03:53] <zaapiel> good evening gentlemen
[03:53] <zaapiel> im about to install xubuntu 11.04 but want to use full disk encryption, does xubuntu have an alternative install like ubuntu does?
[03:54] <zaapiel> nevermind
[03:54] <zaapiel> found it
[06:28] <cuda> ok so I installed Xubuntu to this laptop but am failing to get the wireless working for it.
[06:28] <cuda> its a Dell Vostro 1720
[06:28] <cuda> I went into additional drivers in the system menu, and installed both (one at a time) of the drivers that are available
[06:30] <cuda> but neither of them seem to work. The network tool in the tray shows  "Enable Wireless" greyed out, and I cannot enable it.
[11:56] <t105> hi :)
[11:58] <t105> can somebody give me a hint... i upgraded 10.04 to 10.10 and now i'm facing the login-loop problem. searched the web and found some tips but none of them are working. xerrors show nothing, ice-authority permissions are okay...
[12:11] <t105> in syslog i can see 2 things, gdm-session-worker: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL  and gdm-simple-greeter: Gtk-WARNING
[12:16] <t105> and in auth.log there is also gdm-session-worker telling me that "pam_succed_if(gdm:auth): requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user
[12:17] <t105> after login it closes the session immidiately
[12:27] <TheSheep> t105: try checking your .xsessionerrors
[12:27] <TheSheep> t105: in ~
[12:28] <t105> i did... there is only one line
[12:28] <t105> beginning session setup...
[12:28] <t105> that's all
[12:29] <TheSheep> you are logging in with no password?
[12:30] <t105> the question is in some way reasonable, because of the gdm messages above... but i really DO enter a password and the press enter...
[12:30] <t105> at least i do, maybe it doesn't "get" it?
[12:30] <t105> that would be more than strange
[12:32] <t105> first i thought it might be an x11 issue, but there are no errors... weird
[12:34] <t105> i had problems with video a year or so ago, that where because of this strange dell onboard video card ati ES1000, but since it was resolved it worked okay
[12:36] <TheSheep> I don't have any ideas either
[12:36] <TheSheep> you could try logging in the text console and trying startx
[12:36] <t105> do i need some parameters?
[12:37] <TheSheep> or startxfce4
[12:37] <TheSheep> no
[12:38] <t105> oh... x is already running
[12:39] <t105> i'll boot into console
[12:42] <t105> well startxfce4 did
[12:43] <t105> there is a desktop
[12:44] <t105> it works as root, maybe there is a session issue with my user account?
[12:45] <TheSheep> argh, you were supposed to do it as the user
[12:45] <t105> are there any files/dirs i could delete to get a clean session?
[12:45] <TheSheep> not as root
[12:45] <TheSheep> don't run x as root :)
[12:46] <TheSheep> log in as the user
[12:46] <t105> well i started from grub as root
[12:46] <TheSheep> su your_username -
[12:47] <TheSheep> you can also switch to text console with alt+ctrl+f1
[12:47] <t105> after i closed the session i can see some messages in console
[12:48] <TheSheep> that's what nromally goes to .xsessionerrors I think
[12:48] <t105> some of these i saw on the net which are parsing errors "invalid preprocessing directive #Those .. #or ..#Xft
[12:48] <t105> yes but it dowsnt appear there
[12:48] <TheSheep> huh?
[12:49] <TheSheep> someone tried to use # comments in C-like file?
[12:49] <t105> when i searched on my problem i saw people stating these
[12:50] <t105> and there are gtk errors
[13:06] <t105> well, starting normally again and i end up in this login loop again
[13:11] <TheSheep> t105: did you try choosing a different session?
[13:13] <t105> yes, you mean the selection at the bottom of the login screen
[13:13] <t105> had no effect
[13:17] <t105> but i could log in and use xfce when i started from shell
[13:18] <t105> maybe it used x in some failsave mode
[13:18] <TheSheep> t105: you can try creating a new user and seeing if there is the same problem
[13:22] <t105> created user "test" and it does the same login loop ;(
[13:24] <t105> thank you sheep so far, i'll try again later... need to have a break o_O
[13:28] <t105> auth.log has some info
[13:29] <t105> gdm-session-worker sais again requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "test"
[13:29] <t105> session opened
[13:30] <t105> nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0
[13:30] <t105> pam_unix: session closed
[13:30] <t105> *sigh*
[13:31] <TheSheep> you didn't mess with PAM?
[13:31] <TheSheep> what if you add an user to that nopasswdlogin group?
[14:23] <t105> re
[14:23] <t105> added test to nopasswdlogin, effect was when clicking on user in login screen, no pass is asked, tries to login, fails&comes back o_O
[14:25] <t105> so thats not an issue, just the question of how to log in
[14:26] <t105> what worries me is the message: "gdm-session-worker: pam_ck_connector(gdm:session): nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0"
[14:26] <t105> but i think it's just due to being logged in on tty0
[14:27] <t105> i dont see any messages x11 is failing
[14:27] <t105> it must be something in xfce
[14:28] <t105> maybe it starts some tool/widget/whatever that fails and kicks me out?
[15:09] <TheSheep> t105: btw, you might try removing the window manager settings
[15:09] <TheSheep> t105: there was one theme that crashed xfwm4
[15:58] <t105> hm.. still caught in a login loop, and it's no x11 issue :/
[17:12] <pteague_work> !natty
[17:49] <vine> Anyone mind helping me getting my video drivers working properly?
[19:08] <aroman> hey everyone. can anyone tell me a little about/point me to somewhere I can learn about how Xubuntu takes Ubuntu and turns it into Xubuntu?
[19:11] <Sysi> i don't know eaxctly, but basically by adding packages to ubuntu server
[19:12] <aroman> ah, so Ubuntu server is the base image?
[19:12] <Sysi> it's the core system, or minimal-iso maybe is the actual one
[19:13] <aroman> Sysi: any idea where I might be able to find out exactly?
[19:14] <Sysi> !purexfce
[19:14] <Sysi> somewhere around there are packages listed
[20:52] <cheeseboy> there a way to install ubuntu using the old non-gui installer?
[20:52] <cheeseboy> xubuntu*
[20:53] <Sysi> the alternate installation disk means that
[20:55] <cheeseboy> im having trouble finding that
[20:56] <charlie-tca> cheeseboy: grab it here then - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/maverick/release/
[20:56] <cheeseboy> thnx
[20:57] <charlie-tca> desktop is gui installer, alternate is the non-gui
[20:58] <cheeseboy> my computers too old for gui installer
[20:58] <cheeseboy> keeps freezin
[20:59] <Sysi> how much RAM?
[20:59] <cheeseboy> 256mb
[21:02] <t105> @TheSheep got it working now
[21:03] <t105> login loop was caused by: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/663135
[21:03] <t105> deleted directory /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70fglrx_32bit_dri
[21:04] <t105> no crash anymore.... damn! ;)
[21:04] <t105> yes i tried fglrx ... 4! years ago
[21:45] <LinXnut> Hi, I need help with networking...
[21:46] <charlie-tca> !networking
[21:47] <LinXnut> You may remember me from yesterday "LinuxNut"...I have a Dell Latitude D520
[21:47] <charlie-tca> I don't, who were you talking with?
[21:47] <LinXnut> I installed Xubuntu without any problems....The only thing I am having trouble with is connecting to the internet through wireless or ethernet
[21:49] <LinXnut> I tried pluggin in my ethernet, but nothing happened...The same happened when I put in a "Wireless G Notebook" card it said "Firmware not installed." So, I am kinda stuck :(
[21:51] <charlie-tca> The people in #ubuntu-beginners are great with networking, if no one here is able to help you
[21:51] <LinXnut> Ok thank you! :D
[22:19] <gog> quick question
[22:19] <gog> why is my default browser setting being ignored
[22:20] <TheSheep> gog: hah, in terminal?
[22:20] <gog> yes
[22:20] <TheSheep> gog: I spent last night trying to figure that out
[22:20] <Sysi> third one i hear telling about that problem
[22:20] <gog> I thought I saw an update that fixed this
[22:20] <TheSheep> gog: turned out it's the /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[22:20] <TheSheep> gog: and the http handler defined there
[22:21] <gog> okay
[22:21] <gog> okay making it chromium.desktop fixed my problem
[22:21] <gog> thanks!
[22:22] <TheSheep> easy :)


[00:53] <snap-l> I <3 UHF in Royal Oak
[00:53] <snap-l> apparently someone got rid of some more King Crimson
[00:53] <snap-l> Projekct 2 (sp)
[00:53] <snap-l> (which is essentially KC)
[00:53] <snap-l> and a crap-ton of Zappa
[00:53] <brousch> what is uhf king crimson projekct?
[00:54] <snap-l> brousch: King Crimson is Robert Fripp's main band
[00:54] <snap-l> heavy-duty prog rock
[00:54] <brousch> i do not know this robert flipp
[00:55] <snap-l> brousch: Let me ask you a quick question before we go any further
[00:55] <snap-l> Genesis: Phil Collins or Peter Gabriel?
[00:55] <brousch> can i google it?
[00:55] <snap-l> Oh for fucks sake
[00:56] <brousch> wait, trick question, it was God
[00:56] <brousch> i think peter gabirel
[00:56] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdD6L4cKKU8
[00:56] <brousch> is it worth shutting down my blasting poo armageddon to watch?
[00:57] <snap-l> brousch: yes
[00:57] <snap-l> but you have to watch the whole thing
[00:57] <snap-l> no fast-forwarding
[00:57] <snap-l> That's Gabriel-era Genesis
[00:57] <snap-l> unfortunately the sound is a little wonky
[00:59] <brousch> this is Hook's Drug Store music
[00:59] <snap-l> No, it's not
[00:59] <snap-l> Trust me
[00:59] <brousch> damn boy needs a sammich
[00:59] <snap-l> he gets one later.
[01:00] <snap-l> You also get treated to a young Phil Collins on drums
[01:01] <brousch> hey, you did trick me! they're both genesis
[01:02] <snap-l> Now you know why a few people were less than happy with Invisible Touch. ;)
[01:02] <brousch> i have no idea what that is either
[01:02] <snap-l> Yeah, but Phil Collins took over the vocal duties later on
[01:02] <snap-l> Oh FFS
[01:02] <snap-l> Yes, yes you do.
[01:02] <snap-l> brousch: We'll have to do a listening party next time you're over here.
[01:03] <brousch> is torture really necessary?
[01:03] <brousch> i'm not on enough drugs to enjoy this properly
[01:03] <snap-l> OK, if you hit the part where Peter Gabriel plays the flute, it's all good
[01:04] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOXqkC12Ix8 <- Onto King Crimson. :)
[01:05] <brousch> i think king crimson is in a steven king book
[01:05] <snap-l> brousch: I think Steven King is more an AC/DC fan. ;)
[01:06] <brousch> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_King
[01:06] <snap-l> Actually, that's a bad example
[01:06] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBfCzhYbWBk
[01:07] <snap-l> You've heard this song
[01:07] <brousch> i have not
[01:09] <brousch> ug, too jazzy
[01:10] <brousch> it's kinda like later black sabbath, but not quite as hard
[01:11] <snap-l> a little
[01:11] <snap-l> just give it some time
[01:12] <brousch> i don't want time. i want ARMAGEDDON POO BLASTING AT ME AT 300BPM
[01:18] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3DppaXz4-o
[01:29] <snap-l> brousch: Also got this album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EckQt1bDOYE
[01:29] <snap-l> (Front By Front)
[01:32] <brousch> you paid money for that?
[01:33] <snap-l> Yes
[01:33] <snap-l> Both of them
[01:34] <snap-l> Along woth Frank Zappa
[01:34] <snap-l> Seriously, we're going to have a listening party. :)
[01:34] <snap-l> Totally going to expose you to awesome music.
[01:34] <snap-l> Zappa's Black Napkins
[01:35] <snap-l> Front 242
[01:35] <snap-l> King Crimson
[01:35] <brousch> i am not convinced these are awesome
[01:35] <snap-l> Oh yes, yes they are
[01:35] <brousch> i have never done drugs
[01:35] <snap-l> You trust me on OMC. Trust me, these are awesome
[01:35] <snap-l> I never did drugs
[01:36] <brousch> well i pick out 1 or 2 good songs each episode of OMC
[01:36] <brousch> usually it's the singers that ruin the songs
[01:42] <snap-l> heh
[01:42] <snap-l> jodee jst onformed me that prog rock is indeed hippie music
[01:46] <brousch> pothead music
[01:49] <snap-l> not my fault im attracted to misical talent
[01:51] <brousch> how does jodee feel about your music?
[01:53] <snap-l> she likes it
[01:53] <snap-l> especially fabriel-era Genesis
[11:26] <rick_h_> morning
[11:45] <Wolfger> morning
[11:45] <Wolfger> countdown to the weekend begins
[11:47] <rick_h_> http://twitter.com/#!/agentdero/status/104341787035971584
[11:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Can't be worse than what HP did with it. :)
[11:53] <rick_h_> I'm still in mourning
[11:53] <rick_h_> was wat
[11:53] <rick_h_> ching a dev presentation on youtube this morning
[11:53] <rick_h_> bah, wtf lag
[11:59] <snap-l> Don't worry, though; it'll be in every single multifunction printer before you know it
[12:00] <snap-l> And you'll be able to play Angry Birds while you wait for your print job to complete.
[12:00] <snap-l> as it should be.
[12:56] <Wolfger> Blackberry Music Service? "It's what our competitors are doing, so we should do it too!"
[12:58] <snap-l> Wolfger: Seriously?
[12:58] <snap-l> Got into a discussion with Ron Miller on Twitter that BB was going to have the best polished brass of any sinking ship
[12:59] <snap-l> BB Music is apparently the chrome plating on said ship
[13:06] <rick_h_> I rally think I...I mean my son needs one of these! http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/19/sega-toys-dates-and-prices-its-r2-d2-homestar-planetarium-which-shows-the-death-star/
[13:06] <rick_h_> _stink_: group buy? it's our fatherly duty
[13:09] <brousch> very nice
[13:09] <brousch> my wife would want it
[13:09] <brousch> "runs for three hours on four AAA batteries"
[13:09] <brousch> ouch
[13:10] <rick_h_> yea, that part is crazy
[13:10] <rick_h_> considering it's running a 1w led light?
[13:10] <brousch> come on, give it a plug so it can be left on all night
[13:17] <Wolfger> snap-l: seriously. Don't recall if I saw that on Ars or BoingBoing, but snarked here the instant I saw the headline (and proceeded to not read the article)
[13:25] <jrwren> if snap-l and brousch have a genesis listing party, I'm gonna go Jason Batemen on them.
[13:27] <jrwren> only snap-l could take a converstaion from phil collins to front 242 in 4 links.
[13:27] <snap-l> jrwren: Heh. :)
[13:28] <snap-l> jrwren: I can take that Front 242 and Phil Collins in two links. ;)
[13:28] <jrwren> snap-l: paste those links
[13:28] <snap-l> I think the real challenge would be to do that in one single link
[13:28] <brousch> snap-l will need duct tape and a pistol if he wants to subject me to a genesis listening party :P
[13:30] <nullspace> brousch: he's been waiting for the this moment all his life
[13:32] <snap-l> jrwren: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIdpNPt3f30
[13:33] <snap-l> brousch: That can be arranged. ;)
[13:39] <Wolfger> snap-l brousch: I have both...
[13:48] <snap-l> Wolfger: That coffeering article?
[13:48] <snap-l> Some folks at OU were working on that as well
[13:49] <snap-l> MIhgt have been in collaboration
[13:49] <snap-l> they code-named it "Splat"
[13:51] <Wolfger> heheheh. cool.
[13:52] <Wolfger> I just hate the photo in that article. So misleading
[13:52] <snap-l> Yeah, uPenn ? :)
[13:52] <Wolfger> a photo of what they were talking about would have been much cooler
[14:04] <jrwren> snap-l: do i have to listen to all of jesus he knows me to judge the appropriateness of the links?
[14:05] <jrwren> snap-l: lol... i don't think i've ever seen this music video. that evangelist intro was funny
[14:11] <Wolfger> it was a pretty good vid
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: It's up to you. ;)
[14:18] <snap-l> jrwren: It wasn't too buried. ;)
[14:24] <jrwren> it was a good link.
[14:28] <rick_h_> snap-l: some borders love for you http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-august-16-2011/borders-goes-out-of-business
[14:32] <Wolfger> snap-l: You're welcome!
[14:51] <gamerchick02> Happy Friday, everyone!
[14:53] <rick_h_> party!
[14:53] <gamerchick02> woot!
[14:53] <gamerchick02> tonight i am going to a party.
[14:53] <gamerchick02> sort of. an open house.
[14:54] <rick_h_> awesome
[14:54] <gamerchick02> yeah
[14:55] <brousch> any of you lamers coming to GR for barcampgr?
[14:57] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I showed JoDee that.
[14:57] <snap-l> brousch: Hell no.
[14:57] <snap-l> And drive out to the west side of the state? Too far. ;)
[14:57] <brousch> :P
[14:58] <snap-l> brousch: Actually, I forgot it was this weekend.
[14:58] <brousch> mulka and steindler came last year
[14:58] <brousch> oostendorp is coming this year
[14:58] <snap-l> I don't care if Pippy Longstocking came last year. ;)
[14:58] <rick_h_> no, I'm conferenced out for now. Starting to get frowns from wife with olf/1devdaydetroit
[14:59] <snap-l> Y'all can make fun of me for not coming out.
[14:59] <Wolfger> and we will
[14:59] <Wolfger> :-)
[15:00] <Wolfger> we might photoshop your face onto a certain picture of Batman
[15:00] <Wolfger> oh, I'm sorry, Gimp your face onto a certain picture of Batman :-D
[15:01] <brousch> which sounds even better
[15:01] <Wolfger> lunch!
[15:02] <gamerchick02> i'd love to but i'm going to the Midland Fair on Saturday
[15:02] <gamerchick02> lunch? it's. oh. 11 am.
[15:02] <gamerchick02> yeah
[15:20] <Duolos> brousch: Where is that?
[16:00] <brousch> calvin
[16:04] <snap-l> No good can come of that. :)
[16:05] <brousch> well it keeps some of the more risque fringe element away, but we have to go off campus for the beer
[16:05] <brousch> so it's kind of a wash. oh, and we can't do sunday
[16:21] <Wolfger> brousch: and what's wrong with the risque fringe element? :-p
[16:35] <rick_h_> snap-l: did you hit up the ohio loco?
[16:35] <snap-l> Apparently a bus broke down in front of the house
[16:35] <rick_h_> ouch
[16:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: It's on my list to do today.
[16:35] <rick_h_> cool
[16:35] <snap-l> some schoolbus
[16:35] <Wolfger> Firefox is going to remove version numbers entirely? Despite an initial negative reaction, I think it's a genius move, really.
[16:35] <snap-l> But, luckily it appears to be up and running
[16:36] <Wolfger> snap-l: so you have screaming school kids in front of your house?
[16:36] <snap-l> not yet.
[16:36] <snap-l> working on it.
[16:36]  * Wolfger ponders what snap-l will do to make them scream
[16:37] <Wolfger> Nobody needs to know their version number, since the first response to a bug report is: are you running the latest version?
[16:38] <snap-l> I'm playing Frank Zappa right now
[16:40] <Wolfger> if children go home singing Frank Zappa songs, you might have screaming parents on your lawn
[16:41] <snap-l> Stinkfoot puts the hurt on my nose.
[16:44] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/p/1BZO/ <- This is awesome (ht jrwren )
[16:52] <rick_h_> snap-l: did you check out the comments?
[16:52] <rick_h_> links to other samples
[16:53] <rick_h_> sorry, but that's a bit cheap/easy there for clickbait
[16:53] <rick_h_> welcome to the sucker club
[16:53] <snap-l> ?
[16:54] <rick_h_> http://twitpic.com/67ykpa
[16:54] <rick_h_> see the comments
[16:55] <snap-l> Well, it's interesting that there were so many different variants, and now they all look like iPads
[16:56] <snap-l> Someone might point out that Star Trek's pads look like iPads
[16:56] <snap-l> It's just interesting how Apple finds something that works, and and the rest of the industry follows suit
[16:56] <rick_h_> yea, funny how they can pull 15yrs of examples to prove that in the lsat 1.5yr things are similar
[16:56] <snap-l> Saw that with Mac -> Windows 95
[16:57] <jcastro> [citation-needed]
[16:57] <snap-l> Saw that with iPhone -> just about every phone on the market.
[16:57] <jcastro> you still owe me a steak wrt. market share sir. :)
[16:58] <snap-l> jcastro: You want a citation?
[16:59] <snap-l> Case of beer, sir
[16:59] <snap-l> not steak
[17:03] <snap-l> jcastro: Here's the citation you requested: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1BZh/
[17:03] <ColonelPanic001> in Java, if I have a class OuterClass, and nested in there I have a InnerClass, is there a way to do so of "this", but referring to the OuterClass?
[17:03] <jcastro> hahaha
[17:03] <jcastro> awesome
[17:05] <ColonelPanic001> nm, think I've got it.
[17:05] <ColonelPanic001> OuterClass.this, fwiw
[17:06] <rick_h_> hah, snap-l wasn't this from previous SF guys? http://twitter.com/#!/Simple_CV/status/103546883368173568
[17:07] <snap-l> Yeah, Nate Oostendorp
[17:07] <rick_h_> ah, that's right. Well he didn't hire me so :P then
[17:08] <rick_h_> these are a great waste of time
[17:08] <rick_h_> http://fuckyouyelper.tumblr.com/
[17:08] <gamerchick02> restarting to update windows. bah. see everyone in a bit
[17:08] <rick_h_> imagine being an owner of a place and getting one star reviews like that
[17:08] <snap-l> I've seen it
[17:09] <snap-l> There's a restaurant in Royal Oak that got a one star review because apparently they had a disgruntled employee
[17:09] <rick_h_> did I mention I'm suffering from a case of the 'fridays'
[17:09] <snap-l> I figure for every review like that, there's likely several that aren't nearly as voca
[17:09] <snap-l> l
[17:09] <snap-l> rick_h_: Noted.
[17:09] <rick_h_> damn, ok now this is crazy
[17:09] <rick_h_> so I was helping a dev on that simplecv with doing "fast pythonic" code the other day
[17:10] <rick_h_> and she's working for that comapny
[17:10] <rick_h_> or at least is a member of hte project
[17:10] <snap-l> http://fuckyouyelper.tumblr.com/post/9010491088/i-ordered-the-broiled-crab-cakes-and-they-were
[17:10] <rick_h_> so I'm training the employees of the guy that didn't want me to work for him lol
[17:11] <snap-l> Hey, maybe we could go work for them. ;)
[17:12] <rick_h_> hah
[17:59] <snap-l> Sent a note to the Ohio Loco re: sharing a booth
[18:05] <rick_h_> snap-l: ok cool, going to do a blog post later and we'll need to send a link/reminder to the discuss/loco mailing list
[18:05] <rick_h_> to get our booth credit for lococast
[18:05] <rick_h_> seems reasonable to me
[18:05] <snap-l> Sure thing. I'll draft something up
[18:06] <rick_h_> oh cool, thanks
[18:31] <snap-l> Wow, HP leaves the mobile business and the PC business days apart.
[18:31] <snap-l> And yet another IBM is born
[18:32] <jjesse> i read that webos ran faster on an iPad then on the web tablet or whatever it was called
[18:32] <snap-l> jjesse: I wouldn't doubt it
[18:32] <snap-l> It's pretty much sounding the death knell for low-end hardware in this country
[18:47] <nullspace> snap-l: hmmm nope don't care, bye hp
[18:48] <nullspace> never liked the interior design of their pcs anyway
[18:51] <snap-l> nullspace: yes, but seeing them leave the game once they attained the lead is a bit odd.
[18:52] <snap-l> It's like BMW saying they're getting out of the car business to focus on interiors.
[19:07] <rick_h_> https://ohiolinux.org/sponsors lococast is at the bottom
[19:13] <snap-l> Awesome. :)
[19:19] <rick_h_> ok, NC dude stikes, I think it's time to hit the weekend
[19:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: I'll ping you later tonight on getting the blog/mailing list things in order to earn our spot on the sponsors page
[19:23] <snap-l> Linux Journal just went 100% digital
[19:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: Sure thing
[19:49] <snap-l> Ouch: http://www.ohiolinux.org/talks#HPWEBOS
[20:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: Sent out the mail
[20:08] <snap-l_> Well, that was fun
[20:08] <snap-l_> connection went down
[21:43] <snap-l> Are we planning on pizza during the jam, or going out after the jam?
[21:43] <snap-l> I'm thinking pizza might be easier, but if folks want to go out afterward, I'm OK with that.
[21:52] <snap-l> Sent out e-mail for that as well.
[21:52] <snap-l> Man, September is a busy month. ;)
[23:59] <rick_h_> yes it is