[12:45] <pygi> elkbuntu, hey hey :)
[01:00] <doko> seb128: hi font breaker ;-P
[01:00] <seb128> doko: I broke some font?
[01:01] <doko> some users did complain about new libcairo (?)
[01:02] <seb128> doko: not that I know of
[01:02] <seb128> doko: we got no bug about libcairo recently and nobody complained on IRC neither
[01:05] <zyga> doko: how did the bug manifest itself?
[01:07] <givre> Sorry, but if you speak abuout font problem, it's due to a compiz upgrade
[01:07] <givre> http://www.compiz.net/topic-3116-fonts-are-now-complete-crap
[01:08] <givre> from the quinn's repo
[01:44] <seb128> if a binary package is renamed (actually a lib changing soname and shipping conflicting content (it should use a -common but the package comes from Debian like that)), what should be used. Replaces? Conflicts,Replaces?
[01:46] <pitti> seb128: for a library, C/R seems appropriate
[01:46] <seb128> ok, what I though, thank you
[01:46] <pitti> seb128: Provides doesn't seem necessary for a library
[01:46] <seb128> and it would be wrong
[01:46] <seb128> since the soname changed
[01:46] <pitti> that, too
[01:46] <seb128> so it doesn't provide the previous one
[01:47] <pitti> with soname libraries conflicting to each other, much of the reason for soname package naming is lost, though :/
[01:47] <seb128> yeah, as said it comes from Debian
[01:47] <pitti> s/soname libaries/library packages/
[01:47] <seb128> and I spotted the error when uploading yesterday
[01:47] <pitti> seb128: I hope the transition is not too big then
[01:47] <seb128> but for some reason -0ubuntu1 got accepted from NEW and -0ubuntu2 rejected because the .orig.tar.gz was not found
[01:48] <seb128> pitti: it's the glade-3 lib, no transition
[01:48] <pitti> ah
[01:48] <seb128> the Debian maintainer screwed and forgot to change the soname
[01:48] <seb128> I spotted it like 5 min after upload
[01:48] <seb128> but since the NEW approval screwed the fixed version I've to Conflicts, Replaces now :p
[02:00] <bddebian> Heya folks
[03:48] <lastnode> imbrandon, ping? :)
[03:50] <imbrandon> lastnode: pong
[03:50] <lastnode> imbrandon, wondering if you got an email, or if i misspelled the address
[03:50] <imbrandon> lastnode: just going over my email now, sure put me on the group list
[03:51] <imbrandon> might be a few days before i get totaly caught up thought to poke the code well ;)
[03:51] <lastnode> imbrandon, sure, no hurry at all. btw the source is pretty old now, been doing some updates
[03:52] <lastnode> imbrandon, you know of a site that might offer some temp svn access?
[03:52] <imbrandon> hrm i could setup a svn server on imbrandon.com pretty easy i thinkor there is always sf.net
[03:53] <imbrandon> thought about bzr ? bzr > svn ;)
[03:53] <imbrandon> no server req either
[03:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:53] <lastnode> imbrandon, heh. for now, it would be safer to use something everyone knows how to? i know basically nothing about bazaar
[03:53] <lastnode> imbrandon, i want to make this a little more stable and decide on a name before i reg on sf.net
[03:54] <imbrandon> easy to get the basics, bzr checkout http://dsfgs   , bzr commit -m "comment here"
[03:54] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:54] <lastnode> imbrandon, is it free to sign up? i guess we could use it for now?
[03:54] <imbrandon> free to signup for what ?
[03:54] <lastnode> imbrandon, btw, some new output samples - http://dawnstudios.com/sandbox/mahangu/?p=16
[03:54] <imbrandon> k
[03:54] <lastnode> the 406 i mentioned in the email, seems to be server specific
[03:55] <lastnode> imbrandon, i mean, bazaar server, would you host it?
[03:56] <imbrandon> yea i can host , it requires nothgin but ssh accounts for sftp, i can setup it all up this evening and shoot you an email with a bzr primer, you could pick up the basics in 15 minutes, its realy nice
[03:56] <lastnode> imbrandon, is the bzr source released yet?
[03:56] <imbrandon> yes
[03:56] <imbrandon> apt-get source bzr
[03:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:56] <lastnode> sweet
[03:56] <lastnode> im just wondeirng though
[03:56] <lastnode> for my friends on debian
[03:56] <lastnode> gentoo etc
[03:56] <lastnode> how would that work?
[03:57] <lastnode> from source?
[03:57] <imbrandon> also LP can / will host bzr branches too for registered products
[03:57] <imbrandon> bzr is in debian too, and it should run fine on any distro
[03:57] <lastnode> imbrandon, you think LP will host something as obscure as this?
[03:57] <imbrandon> sure , lets take this to a temp channell not to clutter up in here and i'll explain it a bit
[03:58] <imbrandon> join #imbrandon
[03:58] <DShepherd> i hear X is broke in edgy.. is it true?
[03:58] <lastnode> imbrandon, #taprobane
[03:58] <imbrandon> kk
[06:30] <nixternal> daily/alternate doesn't fit on a disk ;(
[08:14] <bluefoxicy> root     18435  ---    w|x  -------    syslogd          =ep cap_setpcap-ep
[08:39] <DShepherd> is there any plans for tracker to be in edgy? or available for installation?
[09:56] <pitti> Good morning
[09:56] <hunger> hi
[12:19] <pitti> mvo: is there an easy way to disable this silly 'FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet' warning with the python apt module?
[12:24] <StevenK> Remove the raise FutureWarning? :-P
[12:29] <mvo> pitti: from warnings import warn
[12:29] <mvo> pitti: warnings.filterwarnings("ignore", "apt API not stable yet", FutureWarning)
[12:29] <mvo> err
[12:29] <mvo> make that first line
[12:29] <mvo> import warnings :)
[12:30] <mvo> then import apt
[12:30] <pitti> ah, cool
[12:30] <pitti> mvo: much better, thank you
[12:30] <mvo> pitti: I had a look at the python gettext code yesterday, what is the current langpack policy? if we have a mo file in the langpack use it, if not use the original translation? if that is the case I will fix the python script
[12:31] <pitti> mvo: no, the other way round
[12:31] <mvo> aha, ok
[12:31] <pitti> mvo: i. e. /usr/share/locale is prefered over /usr/share/locale-langpack
[12:31] <pitti> to not break local builds
[12:34] <mvo> doko: here?
[12:35] <doko> mvo: sure
[12:37] <robtaylor> hmm, if i want to build a patched dapper kernel, do i just need to update changelong and do debian/rules bumpabi?
[12:38] <robtaylor> s/changelong/chaiselongue/ s/chaiselongue/changelog
[12:39] <mvo> doko: I will do a updated gettext patch for the langpacks for python today, should I just upload it? or send it to you and you do it on your next scheduled upload?
[12:40] <doko> mvo: please go ahead, but apply it for both python2.4 and python2.5
[12:41] <mvo> doko: ok, thanks
[12:53] <Riddell> mvo: do you have any examples of third party "channels" files?
[12:53] <mvo> Riddell: try the "omnis" one in app-install-data-commercial
[12:53] <Riddell> mvo: ah, that's where it is.  why the separate package?
[12:54] <mvo> Riddell: because we exptected it to be updated quite frequently. and app-install-data is pretty big (some MB). that would be a pain for the users to download
[12:54] <Riddell> right, thanks
[01:07] <Zdra> Hi, is it normal that daily build are all over-sized ? What's the last daily which is <700M ?
[01:08] <rodarvus> anyone running Dapper *and* using i810 is willing to test an updated version of the i810 driver for me?
[01:08] <Zdra> rodarvus: I can
[01:09] <StevenK> rodarvus: I can on amd64, if you like.
[01:09] <Zdra> rodarvus: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82865G/PE/P DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02) --> that's ok to test ?
[01:09] <rodarvus> StevenK, oh, I only have i386 locally - but it would be nice if you could recompile the package I generated on amd64
[01:10] <rodarvus> Zdra, sure - I'm uploading the package right now :)
[01:10] <StevenK> rodarvus: What are you doing without an amd64? :-P
[01:10] <StevenK> rodarvus: But, sure, point me at source.
[01:11] <rodarvus> Zdra, StevenK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rodarvus/packages/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/
[01:11] <rodarvus> Zdra, StevenK: thanks :)
[01:12] <rodarvus> Zdra, it is not normal for daily builds to be oversized, but Kamion and Mithrandir are on vacations and thus, unable to care for them
[01:12] <rodarvus> (they'll be back next week, though)
[01:12] <Zdra> rodarvus: just dpkg -i and restart X and say if it starts ? or something more to test ?
[01:12] <Zdra> rodarvus: ok
[01:13] <rodarvus> yes, this is the most important test
[01:13] <rodarvus> Zdra, please send me /var/log/Xorg.0.log, too
[01:13] <StevenK> Heh, my first test is if the fragging thing builds. :-P
[01:13] <rodarvus> rodarvus at ubuntu.com
[01:14] <StevenK> rodarvus: And toes?
[01:14] <StevenK> Whee, compiler warnings.
[01:15] <rodarvus> Zdra, playing video & testing DRI would be nice too
[01:15] <rodarvus> StevenK, please send me the .build so I can take a look at it, if it possible
[01:15] <StevenK> rodarvus: Oh, damn you. :-P
[01:16] <rodarvus> StevenK, use debuild, it saves the .build automatically for you
[01:16] <rodarvus> or even better, use pbuildere
[01:16] <rodarvus> pbuilder
[01:16] <StevenK> I am.
[01:17] <StevenK> I wasn't aware that pbuilder saves logs.
[01:17] <rodarvus> hmm, no it doesn't
[01:17] <rodarvus> :)
[01:17] <StevenK> -rw-r--r-- 1 steven users 53K 2006-08-18 21:17 ../xserver-xorg-driver-i810-1.6.5_amd64.build
[01:17] <StevenK> Anyway, I've gotten you one.
[01:18] <rodarvus> you need to pass --logfile for it to save the .build
[01:18] <rodarvus> (I added it to my helper scripts long ago and forgot)
[01:18] <StevenK> Yeah, I have my own.
[01:19] <StevenK> Well, it also installs.
[01:21] <shackan> unrelated, but is xgl useable now with an i810 ?
[01:22] <Zdra> rodarvus: ok it starts, movie are OK but glxgear is very slow and have errors
[01:22] <rodarvus> Zdra, did glxgears used to run well on your previous driver?
[01:22] <Zdra> what's your email ? I can send you logs and error msg
[01:22] <rodarvus> rodarvus at ubuntu.com
[01:22] <Zdra> rodarvus: yes
[01:22] <rodarvus> oh, well.
[01:23] <rodarvus> then this version of i810 driver really needs mesa 6.5
[01:23] <rodarvus> and is unsuitable for a dapper update :/
[01:23] <StevenK> rodarvus: It works.
[01:23] <rodarvus> thats sad news because it fixes loads of other bugs
[01:24] <StevenK> rodarvus: GL has never actually worked for me, though. :-)
[01:24] <StevenK> steven@liquified:~% glxgears
[01:24] <StevenK> ERROR!  sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver
[01:24] <StevenK> It even goes bang now.
[01:24] <rodarvus> StevenK, what "goes bang" means? :)
[01:24] <rodarvus> sorry, non-native english speaker here
[01:28] <HiddenWolf> rodarvus: doesn't work. :)
[01:28] <HiddenWolf> rodarvus: goes bang -> blows up
[01:28] <rodarvus> ahn
[01:28] <Zdra> rodarvus: I send you logs by mail ;)
[01:28] <rodarvus> HiddenWolf, thanks for the translation :)
[01:29] <rodarvus> Zdra, I'm reading them now, thanks!
[01:29] <Zdra> rodarvus: need more testing ? because I'm on public machines at university so I have to reverse to normal driver before quiting :p
[01:30] <rodarvus> Zdra, no, that was all the testing I needed, thanks a lot for the test!
[01:30] <StevenK> rodarvus: Right, sorry, I was afk.
[01:30] <rodarvus> StevenK, thanks for testing it too!
[01:30] <StevenK> rodarvus: You'd like the .build and Xorg.0.log?
[01:31] <rodarvus> StevenK, sure
[01:33] <StevenK> rodarvus: Sent.
[01:33] <StevenK> Well, it's hit fiordland.u.c, anyway
[01:34] <rodarvus> :)
[01:34] <StevenK> rodarvus: So, is it going into Dapper?
[01:35] <rodarvus> not really
[01:35] <rodarvus> (at least, not now)
[01:35] <rodarvus> StevenK, its up to you, really
[01:36] <rodarvus> if you haven't noticed any new problem
[01:39] <StevenK> rodarvus: Hopefully, I'm getting an Nvidia in a few weeks, so it might even get purged.
[02:27] <lastnode> infinity, ping?
[03:11] <tepsipakki> hi, ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable because of missing packages, and these should be rebuilt: at-spi, bluez-pin, bug-buddy, ekiga, evolution-webcal, gnome-mag, gnome-media, libgtkhtml2
[03:12] <tepsipakki> ..against the new libgail, libbluetooth, libebook or libecal
[03:29] <Hobbsee> doko: any reason you didnt subscribe the archive to tomcat5 sync request?  want me to fix it?
[03:30] <doko> Hobbsee: no, have to check something first ...
[03:30] <Hobbsee> doko: ah, cool.  just saw it come up in -bugs, and wasnt sure who had done it, if it was right, etc
[03:46] <simira> mvo_: any known issues with update-manager now? Something's not right with me at least
[03:47] <mvo_> simira: no, sorry. I did not managed to reproduce this yet :(
[03:47] <simira> mvo_: I meant if you had som other problems. I just got "Failed to download update-list", or something like that
[03:50] <simira> mvo_: I can take some time next week to re-test and confirm or close the update-manager bugs I have reported, and you can have a hands-on look on those who remain.
[03:54] <mvo_> simira: that sounds good, I would really like to figure what caused those problems
[04:48] <robtaylor> mjg59: whats the right way to patch a dapper kernel?
[04:49] <mjg59> robtaylor: I grab git, patch it, and send a diff to Ben
[04:49] <robtaylor> mjg59: apt-get source linux-kernel-foo, patch, bump changelong and bumpabi?
[04:49] <robtaylor> ah
[04:49] <mjg59> But I don't think that's what you want :)
[04:49] <mjg59> Bump ABI if ABI breaks
[04:49] <zul> robtaylor: download the dapper git tree, create a patch and send diff
[04:49] <robtaylor> probably not
[04:49] <robtaylor> zul: i'm testing LTTng, i'm not sure ben would be interested in the patch ;)
[04:50] <zul> LTTng?
[04:50] <robtaylor> linux trace toolkit, new stuff
[04:50] <zul> ah...edgy-git then
[04:51] <zul> wont get into dapper then probably if you do send a patch
[04:51] <robtaylor> no, as mjg59 guess, i just want to build a dapper kernel package with all the crazy ubuntu stuff +LTTng
[04:52] <robtaylor> later i'll see about getting it in edgy ;)
[04:52] <ogra> Keybuk, can you promote ltspfs and ltspfsd to main ... pitti said its ok, even we have to fix stuff in the code
[04:53] <robtaylor> zul: its probably just best to wait for it to go into kernel proper though, some bits are not considered clean enough yet
[04:53] <desrt> robtaylor; is this a dtrace equiv?
[04:54] <Riddell> mvo_: do you know that gnome-app-install isn't installable?
[04:54] <robtaylor> desrt: well, yes and no
[04:55] <robtaylor> desrt: its rather a different design (post-processeing rather than pre-processing)
[04:55] <Keybuk> ogra: they don't appear to be approved
[04:56] <ogra> Keybuk, they arent ... but i need them in main and pitti said its fine with him since we'll resolve open issues together at the sprint anyway
[04:56] <desrt> robtaylor; but same idea, right?
[04:56] <desrt> robtaylor; in terms of what it does for me
[04:56] <ogra> Keybuk, he's gone after telling me that :/
[04:57] <robtaylor> desrt: well, in dtrace you can write scripts that do things at event points
[04:57] <Keybuk> heh fair enough
[04:57] <robtaylor> desrt: in LTT, you do the trace and then process the data
[04:57] <Keybuk> we can always beat you to death next week if you're LYING
[04:57] <desrt> oh.  i see what you mean.
[04:57] <Keybuk> ...or if you bring those shorts again
[04:57] <desrt> that's slightly less powerful.
[04:57] <ogra> Keybuk, exactly ... or make me pay all the beer :)
[04:57] <Keybuk> make sure you see them
[04:57] <robtaylor> desrt: dtrace is heavier in terms of resource usage, but more dynamic and easier for sysadmins
[04:57] <Keybuk> seed them
[04:57] <ogra> yup
[04:58] <Keybuk> done
[04:58] <robtaylor> desrt: LTT is light, but you end up with more data and you can't make arbitary things happen when the events occur
[04:58] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[04:59] <desrt> robtaylor; thanks for the description.
[04:59] <robtaylor> desrt: there in't really an equiv of dtrace for linux yet :/
[04:59] <robtaylor> desrt: np
[05:00] <mvo_> Riddell: what is the error? seems to be ok here
[05:02] <lfittl> ogra: any news about blender 2.42 / ffmpeg support as a plugin? (just out of interest)
[05:02] <Riddell> mvo_:   gnome-app-install: Depends: python-gtk2 (>= 2.4.0) but it is not going to be installed
[05:02] <Riddell>                      Depends: python-gnome2-extras (>= 2.11.3) but it is not going to be installed
[05:02] <Riddell>                      Depends: python-gnome2 but it is not going to be installed
[05:02] <Riddell> mvo_: I have python2.4-gtk2 not python-gtk2
[05:03] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[05:06] <geser> python-gtk2 is definitely there. have you tried to install it explicitly?
[05:06] <ogra> lfittl, nope, had no time yet
[05:08] <ogra> Keybuk, i have another small problem ... with udev on thin clients ...
[05:09] <Keybuk> oh aye?
[05:09] <ogra> for pre-plugged devices we write to a chache file (.delayed-mounts) so if the ssh socket from the login is available the deamon we run can mount them
[05:10] <ogra> now thin client have a read only filesystem and only specific dirs and files get bind monted to a tmpfs
[05:10] <Keybuk> right
[05:10] <ogra>  /tmp among them ... so we loose content of tmp during a small period of time on boot ...
[05:10] <Keybuk> even real Ubuntu systems are read-only at the point udev runs
[05:11] <ogra> our udev scripts usually write to /tmp/.delayed-mounts
[05:11] <Keybuk> why not /var/run, out of interest?
[05:11] <ogra> well, /var/run would work as well ...
[05:11] <ogra> doesnt matter whare
[05:12] <ogra> *where
[05:12] <Keybuk> right, carry on
[05:12] <ogra> hmm ... i get it ... i should exclude /var/run from the second time bind mounting to tmpfs i guess :P
[05:12] <Keybuk> right ;)
[05:13] <Keybuk> it doesn't matter so much whether you have one tmpfs, or a dozen different tmpfs
[05:13] <ogra> yep
[05:13] <Keybuk> they use the same pages anyway
[05:13] <Riddell> enrico: I don't suppose you've any idea why debtags in edgy is broken?
[05:13] <ogra> well, i missed the fact that we already have it as tmpfs but the ltsp code dates back to a time where that wasnt the case
[05:14] <Keybuk> this is amongst the reasons we have it as a tmpfs in the first place
[05:14] <ogra> so it gets bind mounted a second time on thin client configuration :)
[05:14] <Keybuk> several things udev runs need to write cache/pid/etc. files
[05:14] <Keybuk> does that re-mounting not break network ?
[05:14] <Keybuk> you'd lose /var/run/network
[05:14] <ogra> no
[05:14] <ogra> apparently not
[05:14] <Keybuk> interesting, sure that lo is in there after the remount?
[05:15] <ogra> nope, lo isnt there at all
[05:15] <ogra> (and never wasnt)
[05:15] <ogra> s/wasnt/was/
[05:15] <Keybuk> that'd probably fix that too
[05:15] <ogra> right
[05:17] <ogra> hmm, speeds up the boot a bit :)
[05:18] <ogra> but i have no lo :)
[05:19] <ogra> night be because i dont run the startup scripts for it ;)
[05:19] <wasabi_> One of these days, I'll figure out how XKB works enough to fix it.
[05:19] <bddebian> wasabi_: Good luck with that :-)
[05:20] <wasabi_> This system has had neverending problems with it. g-s-d can't set the xkb settings, setxkbmap can't.
[05:20] <wasabi_> And try as I might I can't figure out how xkb even works. ;0
[05:28] <ogra> yay, it mounts :)
[05:29] <ogra> Thanks ! Keybuk
[05:45] <ogra> hmm
[06:23] <moberg_> today there was a update to gnome-terminal, after I installed it, gnome-terminal crashes frequently
[06:52] <Seveas> moberg_, disable quinsstorms repos and yell at quinn
[06:52] <Seveas> it's not an Ubuntu update
[06:53] <lunitik> Sorry to disturb, where would be an appropriate place to discuss Community Council related issues?
[06:54] <zul> at the community council
[06:55] <lunitik> zul, which would be where? sorry, I was banned, since I have reviewed and signed the Code of Conduct and wish to be given another shot around the community... specifically #ubuntu
[06:55] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  from a politics point of view, nobody is going to go for making shutdown->restart restart Linux instead of the machine, are they?
[06:55] <zul> you might want to try #ubuntu-ops
[06:56] <lunitik> zul, will do, thank you
[06:56] <Seveas> bluefoxicy, -EPARSE
[06:57] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  I'm looking at getting things to use kexec instead of actually reboot.  An MSI board I had took 18 seconds to reach grub; another user i know has an MSI board that takes 25 seconds to reach grub.  These are Athlon 64s.  I think my current gigabyte takes about 10 seconds
[06:58] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: kexec is nice, but what if you want to reboot into some other OS you're dualbooting?
[06:58] <Seveas> it might be nice for lmanul, adding another button to th overcrowded logout dialog
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> I'm thinking I can definitely say it's safe to make the "System Restart Required" dialoog kexec; I don't know about just replacing the current Reboot functionality
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  shutdown?  :)
[06:59] <bluefoxicy> Seveas:  that would be confusing.  "Restart" "Reload"?  "WTF?" would be the reaction :)
[06:59] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: how safe is kexec?
[06:59] <Treenaks> Seveas: Ubuntu should just use the upstream dialogs.. I do
[07:00] <Treenaks> Seveas: they're great compared to the button mash
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  it's .... pretty old.  I believe it's maintained, it's been in there for a bit and IIRC Linus likes it so it's probably stable; some testing is needed, as with anything.
[07:00] <bluefoxicy> oh
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> you can load-panic too, something Linus wanted, kernel panic -> immediately load new kernel :)
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> I don't see a way to load an initrd.  :(
[07:03] <lunitik> Seveas is unwilling to give me a chance, is there another route I can take? I really want to be a good community member, and avoid disagreements entirely.
[07:03] <lunitik> Only thing I can do to give back in provide support for people, and I plan to do that as well as I can.
[07:03] <Seveas> lunitik, come to a community council meeting and do NOT mess in here -- this is not an escalation channel
[07:04] <lunitik> I just want another chance.
[07:04] <lunitik> Seveas, you've banned me from all the other Ubuntu related channels I know of now... when is the next council meeting?
[07:04] <Seveas> lunitik, wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[07:05] <Seveas> fwiw, you can be active in other places besides IRC too
[07:06] <lunitik> Seveas, not as effectively. I enjoy helping people on IRC. Disagreements happen on this medium though.
[07:06] <Seveas> lunitik, which part of "do NOT mess in here -- this is not an escalation channel" is so hard to understand?
[07:07] <lunitik> I do not like forums or mailing lists, its more difficult to really assist people. 5 years experience with Debian shouldn't go to waist simply because I'm not currently using Debian.
[07:07] <lunitik> Seveas, sorry... I'll be at the meeting.
[07:09] <pygi_> who feels like doing some testing right now? :)
[07:10] <Seveas> pygi_, depends on how hard and hum much it might break
[07:10] <pygi_> Seveas, might break none, I need testing for "libburn-on-cdrecord" layer
[07:11] <Seveas> hmm, /me has no bank cds
[07:11] <azeem> pygi: what are you using for that?
[07:11] <pygi> azeem, I am writing that :)
[07:11] <azeem> oh, o
[07:11] <azeem> so you extend libburn, or you write a cdrecord replacement which uses libburn?
[07:12] <azeem> ah, you're one of the people forking it?
[07:12] <azeem> I see
[07:14] <pygi> azeem, that no good word, but whatever
[07:14] <sivang> azeem: I understood it was abandomed by its maintainer, so that's not exactly forking ?
[07:15] <feloness>  33 check it http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
[07:26] <azeem> does anybody know whether a Ubuntu precense is planned for the Systems expo in Munich in late October?
[07:28] <zul> azeem: might want to check with jono
[07:28] <pygi> Seveas, poke
[07:35] <bluefoxicy> kexec_load function not implemented
[07:35] <zul> hey rodarvus
[07:36] <bluefoxicy> shet.  It's on in edgy, not on in dapper.
[07:36] <rodarvus> hey zul
[07:36] <bluefoxicy> well, I guess it's time my laptop flirts with edgy.
[07:50] <bluefoxicy> it worked
[07:51] <bluefoxicy> but I had to patch /etc/init.d/reboot
[08:15] <bluefoxicy> k I made a post on -devel@
[08:17] <Keybuk> so, right, why isn't there an ssh-askpass-gnome-keyring ?
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> it'll take 3 scripts, a tweak at /etc/init.d/reboot, and a poke at the System Restart Required dialog or wherever else you wanna use it.
[08:17] <bluefoxicy> hi buk
[08:27] <Amaranth> Keybuk: it'd be so cool to have that and pam_keyring, you could just login and have all your stuff work
[08:34] <moberg_> is there any edgy isos available for download?
[08:37] <welshbyte> moberg_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/  WARNING: use at your own risk
[08:38] <moberg_> welshbyte: sweet, i'm going to install edgy in a virtual machine and test an application that i'm developing
[09:11] <enrico> Riddell: I had no idea it was broken, either...
[09:11] <enrico> Riddell: any pointers?
[09:12] <Riddell> enrico: debtags cat   just gives no tag for all items
[09:13] <Riddell> it's the same source as in debian
[09:21] <enrico> Riddell: can you send me a strace?
[09:21] <enrico> Riddell: and a ls -la /var/lib/debtags
[09:21] <enrico> Riddell: and a cat /etc/debtags/sources.list
[09:22] <enrico> Riddell: and a apt-cache dumpavail|grep ^Tag | wc -l
[09:22] <enrico> I think that's it
[09:22] <Riddell> enrico: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DEBTAGS
[09:22] <enrico> Riddell: I suspect that the reason is having "tags apt://" in the debtags sources.list but no tags in the packages file
[09:24] <enrico> Riddell: if that is the case, try adding "tags http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/tags/" to /etc/debtags/sources.list and run 'debtags update'
[09:24] <Riddell> enrico: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/DEBTAGS-COMMANDS
[09:24] <enrico> >apt-cache dumpavail|grep ^Tag | wc -l
[09:24] <enrico> 0
[09:24] <enrico> gotcha
[09:24] <enrico> Riddell: that's it.
[09:26] <enrico> Riddell: does changing the debtags/sources.list and updating solve the issue?
[09:26] <Riddell> enrico: it does
[09:27] <enrico> Riddell: then I guess either Ubuntu starts adding Tag: fields to the packages file, or the Ubuntu debtags ships getting the files from alioth
[09:27] <enrico> or, getting the files from a local directory
[09:28] <enrico> Riddell: debtags/sources.list supports file:// uris as well
[09:28] <Riddell> enrico: how come debian doesn't have this problem?
[09:28] <enrico> Riddell: Debian has Tag: fields in the Packages file
[09:29] <Riddell> right
[09:29] <_ion> o
[09:29] <_ion> Whoops.
[09:31] <zul> hey fabbione
[09:32] <desrt> zul; -6 gives no love for not rebooting
[09:33] <zul> desrt: ok...
[09:44] <Oestrelata>  13 check this http://www.goolook.ru/?ref_id=11389
[10:08] <bluefoxicy> mdz:  ping, are you about?
[10:22] <sladen> Keybuk: I had at the back of my mind dropping powernowd for edgy and switching to the in-kernel ondemand governor;  I'd forgotten about it, are you happy with it happening---it deals with issues involving multiple CPUs/cores
[10:26] <RingerE> http://www.wsmfm.com/dogs/entries  vote for molly, the cockerspaniel... if she gets enuogh votes i win crap ;o)
[10:27] <mjg59> rodarvus: Why does my libgl appear to be trying to open /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so rather than /usr/lib/i915_dri.so ?
[10:28] <mjg59> Uh
[10:28] <mjg59> /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so
[10:29] <rodarvus> mjg59: configs/debian-dri is screwed. I'll upload a fix today
[10:29] <mjg59> Ok, cool
[10:46] <Kaleo> rodarvus: you're ace
[10:55] <Keybuk> sladen: iirc, the ondemand governor does exactly the same thing as powernowd, no?
[10:55] <Keybuk> adjusts the speed based on the current load
[10:57] <pygi> Amaranth, poke
[10:57] <Amaranth> pygi: that hurts


[14:36] <enyc> Wondering on offschance if somebody with +1 testing system acn volunteer to try something with 'tf5' package for me very briefly...
[14:36] <enyc> (as trying to narrow down some weird difference in gnutls openssl between deb/ubuntu) ....
[14:40] <lordcirth_> enyc, can you use virtualbox?
[14:41] <enyc> lordcirth_: i can and have a lot of vms and short space and so on right now ;p
[14:41] <enyc> lordcirth_: no doubet will create more
[14:42] <enyc> lordcirth_: especialyl ofater 19.10 released may do so
[14:43] <enyc> lordcirth_: i was hoping somebody would simply  "apt-get install tf5"  "tf5"  "/connect -x pit.enyc.org.uk 7423"  and simply let me know if that connects and shows login or not!   Thats all I need to know if going to even try/investigate newer ubunut as different to previous...
[15:24] <hggdh> enyc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/t5M5j4XGbj/
[15:31] <enyc> hggdh: ooooooooooo thats useful!
[15:31] <enyc> hggdh: so it does break in ubuntu+1  (you on 19.10 ??)
[15:31] <enyc> hggdh: for some reason ununkown it does work in 14.04/16.04/18.04
[15:31] <enyc> which means more invesigation there needed
[15:31] <enyc> RIGHT, thankyou
[15:44] <hggdh> enyc: yes, this is under Eoan
[15:56] <enyc> hggdh: yes there is some hidden mystery with the openssl compatibility in gnutls ;p
[15:56] <enyc> may take some strace and changelog , or something ;p
[15:57] <enyc> hggdh: thankyou again, most useful,  will set up vm there  when released most likely!
[23:42] <gimpnixon> Hello everyone
[23:42] <gimpnixon> I have a question about 19.10


[05:07] <mapwrk> Hm
[05:07] <mapwrk> Hi
[05:09] <mapwrk> My location: Gibraltar, Gibraltar
[05:09] <mapwrk> Oops
[05:21] <knightwise> mroning
[05:22] <shauno> aloha
[05:23] <knightwise> hey shauno, how are you today
[05:23] <shauno> I have no idea yet :)  it'll take two cups of coffee and an empty inbox before I can decide that
[05:24] <knightwise> I'm on the one cup of coffee mark
[05:24] <knightwise> but i'm also at the post morning workout part , so i'm pretty awake
[05:41] <zmoylan-pi> that sounds like a reason not to workout to be honest :-p
[05:43] <knightwise> I have a routine in the morning , do a quick workout while i put the kettle on
[05:43] <knightwise> by the time coffee is ready, so is my workout
[05:45] <knightwise> planning on doing some urban exploring next week
[05:45] <knightwise> abandoned colemine in the area is just waiting for a visit
[06:00] <knightwise> #urbex
[06:00] <shauno> my 'morning routine' is much more like something out of 'shaun of the dead'
[06:15] <knightwise> lol
[06:15] <knightwise> Shauno of the dead
[06:26] <knightwise> ok , off to my first meeting , ttyl
[06:26] <knightwise> Shelllldorrr AFK
[06:51] <shauno> hm.  who on earth are Hermes and what are they doing with my package.
[08:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheesecake Day! 😃
[08:52]  * zmoylan-pi hasn't had cheesecake in yonks...
[08:52] <shauno> I had strawberry cheesecake icecream.  if that counts.
[08:52] <bigcalm> Mmmmm, cheese caaaaaake
[08:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qe7YmYgowM
[08:54] <davmor2> JamesTait: or the one I was actually thinking of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqrhdYQ_wMg
[08:54] <JamesTait> It's OK, davmor2, I daren't click on any links now I've looked at the first one.
[08:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: the second one is Louis Armstrong
[08:57] <popey> wise to avoid anything davmor2 posts
[08:57] <popey> earworms usually
[08:58] <JamesTait> That's more like it, davmor2. Though, as popey says, earworm.
[08:58] <davmor2> popey: louis armstrong singing about cheesecake what can possibly be earwormy about that
[08:58] <popey> lalalalalala not listening
[08:59] <davmor2> popey: All the things that she said, that she said, are running through my head, running though my head, running through my head......I got no idea what you mean earworms pffff
[09:04] <davmor2> So this morning I woke up with Golden Eye in my head which of course lead to lots of other bond themes I can't find the real copy of skyfall on spotify though and the versions on there are crap :(
[09:06] <directhex> Let the sky foal ennet crumb bowl
[09:09] <davmor2> directhex: see even that is better than the ones on spotify
[09:10] <JamesTait> davmor2, https://youtu.be/RBumgq5yVrA and https://youtu.be/CnQ8N1KacJc are the two that seem to be on repeat in my head lately.
[09:11] <popey> fun http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/07/29/the-upgrade-from-hell/
[09:12] <davmor2> JamesTait: whenever I hear the group name I think of this though https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0nlygb1Qfw
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:13] <mgdm> morning
[09:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: so I think this would slot into that repertoire nicely https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if-UzXIQ5vw
[09:18] <davmor2> JamesTait: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orv_F2HV4gk
[09:27]  * JamesTait feels a YouTube playlist coming on.
[09:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[09:28] <JamesTait> Earworm Radio. 😝
[09:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: that's my morning head song playlist :P
[09:29] <davmor2> JamesTait: If you want a funky day that helps you be productive, Start the do the 50+ playlist on Stiltskin Inside
[09:30] <davmor2> -do the
[09:31] <JamesTait> Not forgetting https://youtu.be/8I8mWG6HlmU?list=RD8I8mWG6HlmU
[09:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eawL6aJ2nBc
[09:37] <JamesTait> https://youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE
[09:41] <davmor2> popey: never complain about me again after JamesTait last post even I'm not that low ;)
[09:41] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8
[09:42] <Laney> jesus christ
[09:50] <knightwise> surpirisingly catchy !
[09:52] <davmor2> knightwise: which?
[09:54] <davmor2> knightwise: we just pushed out a list of earworms and you say catchy ;)
[10:03] <knightwise> the last one
[10:03]  * knightwise is watching some old Space 1999 episodes :)
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> season 1 or season 2?
[10:08] <knightwise>  this one is a season 2 episode
[10:09] <knightwise> although season 1 is better
[10:09] <knightwise> but catherine shell is plain 70's drop dead stunning
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> ah the jeri ryan of space 1999
[10:14] <knightwise> well put ..
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> the mention of cheese cake earlier made me think of her... :-)
[10:15] <brobostigon> and ST:VOY.
[10:16] <knightwise> an awesome episode indeed where she has the doctor "inside" her .. magnificently entertaining
[10:17] <davmor2> JamesTait: I present you with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MdABLcI7RI
[10:18] <knightwise> cant believe that terry hatcher was a bondgirl
[10:18] <knightwise> horribe
[10:19] <davmor2> knightwise: did you not see her in tango and cash
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> we just have to convince them to have christina hendricks as villan in next bond movie...
[10:20] <knightwise> she was a lot younger then
[10:20] <knightwise> desperate housewives ruined her for me
[10:22] <brobostigon> and she had a quest role in ST:TNG.
[10:23] <knightwise> brobostigon: equally terrible
[10:23] <knightwise> the outrageous okuda
[10:23] <knightwise> sorry okona
[10:23] <brobostigon> that ep yes, not ST:TNG, that was great.
[10:24] <knightwise> true
[10:30] <davmor2> JamesTait, knightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h61QG4s0I3U
[10:30] <knightwise> THAT is an awe-some track !
[10:30] <knightwise> played it a lot in my DJ days during warmup
[10:31] <popey> a way better track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O6q7JzYqMs ;)
[10:33]  * knightwise imagines popey rocking out to this in the shower ... quite disturbing image
[10:34] <knightwise> Belgian Culture : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-z4XSnus8
[10:35] <davmor2> popey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25ytsEt87ro
[10:39] <davmor2> knightwise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw9GNz-EYP8
[10:41] <knightwise> Catcy remix here :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8xcS4HKgNA
[10:49] <mappps> urgh
[10:49] <mappps> like 3 hrs sleep
[10:49] <mappps> too hot and noise outside
[10:49] <mappps> :(
[10:51] <shauno> hot? in july?  that's what you get for moving to silly countries!
[10:51] <shauno> 14C & drizzle here
[10:51] <mappps> heh
[10:51] <mappps> hopefully one of the new places will have AC
[10:51] <mappps> viewing two today
[10:51] <zmoylan-pi> well it is july so the snow is holding off for a few weeks shauno
[10:52] <mappps> 27c atm
[10:53] <mappps> outrageus prices here
[10:53] <mappps> but i dont want to move to spain
[10:54] <mappps> £1100-1500 for a 1bed generally - Spain 750 euros for a 3 bed
[11:06] <arsenip> spain is cheap++ :D
[11:13] <shauno> argh.  the artists formerly known as top gear have signed with Amazon.  but I don't want Prime.
[11:21] <arsenip> :D
[11:21] <arsenip> great business move eh, makes me now need to sign up to prime, i was already on the edge (trying to not do so even if it made sense)
[11:28] <popey> I'm glad they moved to Amazon Video.
[11:29] <popey> Means it's easier for me to not watch them.
[11:29] <arsenip> xD
[11:29] <jpds> "Tonight, on Prime Gear, we drive around the Amazon rainforset"
[11:29] <arsenip> id not be surprised
[11:29] <arsenip> make a fun joke, and an interesting show :D
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> nah a race around an amazon warehouse
[13:05] <diddledan> mernin
[13:05] <popey> pip pip
[13:06] <davmor2> tally-ho
[13:06] <diddledan> whatchacock
[13:06] <diddledan> (I have no idea where that one comes from - probably east end)
[13:07] <diddledan> (my family were east-enders two generations ago
[13:08] <diddledan> my nan moved from london to hampshire during the wat
[13:08] <diddledan> war*
[13:08] <diddledan> and met my grandad who was already here but was also an east-ender
[13:13] <popey> during the WAT!
[13:13] <davmor2> knightwise, JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> they had to speak up because of all the noise
[13:15] <diddledan> popey: yeah, when I heard about the war I said "wat" :-p
[13:17] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'm not sure what you're saying....
[13:17] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's just a catchy tune :)
[13:18] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're so sweet and innocent I bet you still think relax wasn't about sex right :)
[13:20] <JamesTait> davmor2, don't be silly, it's about taking time out to relax and have a good time. 😉
[13:40] <diddledan> lol : https://youtu.be/Y7aEiVwBAdk
[13:47] <popey> thats neat
[13:50] <exobuzz> hi popey
[13:51] <popey> hey exobuzz
[13:55] <exobuzz> popey, thanks for the retropie mention on ubuntupodcast (some episodes ago)
[14:01] <popey> :)
[14:01] <popey> is there an easy way to upgrade retropie on my pi2?
[14:01] <popey> rather than reinstall
[14:03] <exobuzz> which image did you install originally ? or did you install from the script ?
[14:04] <exobuzz> basically, the upgrade route is - update retropie-setup script, then do a full binary install.. but tbh from 2.6 -> 3.0 would need some manual work to merge in configs etc (and lots of stuff has moved etc). but if you started from say retropie 3.0 beta4 - it should be fine..
[14:07] <exobuzz> doing a full binary install does not overwrite old configs, but leaves any new configs such as retroarch.cfg as retroarch.rp-dist so any new settings would need to be manually merged/compared
[14:27] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[14:27] <diddledan> m00
[14:45] <MooDoo> how is everyone this after noon?
[14:46] <bigcalm> All of my creative juices have been sapped by one client problem. I want to take the rest of the day off
[14:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: how are you me owld mucka
[14:48] <davmor2> MooDoo: had golden eye stuck in my head this morning which then of course leads on to all the other funky bond themes, But no skyfall to add the list :'(
[14:48]  * diddledan gives bigcalm a transfusion
[14:49] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm doing ok thanks, just listening to some punk on sptify at the moment.
[14:50]  * davmor2 provides bigcalm with a gun, that will solve the client problem ;)
[14:51] <diddledan> https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify_uk_/playlist/3fFwkB1IzcZlvYZEuiDzUU :-p
[14:51] <diddledan> romantic power ballads!
[14:52] <diplo> Without telling me this is a bad bad idea ( I already know! ) anyone think of a simple way to copy a single pub key to multiple users (400+) authorized_keys file
[14:52] <diplo> I'm guessing writing a script is my best bet
[14:53] <bashrc> probably
[14:53] <davmor2> diplo: usb stick
[14:53] <diddledan> diplo: if you're doing it all on the same pc then it's simple
[14:53] <diplo> 400 user profiles on same box
[14:53] <diplo> yeah same PC, basically a app that ssh's from one machine to the other but without creating 400+ ssh keys
[14:54] <diddledan> diplo: as root: `for i in /home/*; do mkdir -p $i/.ssh; chown $_; chmod 700 $_; cat id_rsa.pub > $_/authorized_keys; done` might do it.
[14:54] <mgdm> you probably want '>>' instead of '>'
[14:54] <diddledan> yeah
[14:54] <mgdm> or maybe pipe to tee -a
[14:55] <diddledan> mgdm knows his stuff :-p
[14:55] <diplo> That looks so simple that I should have thought of that!
[14:55] <diplo> Thanks guys
[14:55] <mgdm> diddledan: I know some things through bitter experience :-)
[14:55] <diddledan> mgdm: hehe
[14:55] <diddledan> mgdm: those are the most fun
[14:55] <diddledan> I love bitter experience when I realise I've screwed a production system beyond repair
[14:55] <mgdm> hehe
[14:56] <mgdm> nowadays if I break a production system I can terminate the VM and a new one pops up in its place
[14:56] <diddledan> that's nice
[14:56] <diddledan> I really need to investigate that kind of tech
[14:56] <mgdm> Aye, it's a handy trick
[14:56] <diddledan> I keep telling myself I'm gonna investigate docker, too
[14:57] <bashrc> I've tried docker and it's ok. I don't think it's as big a deal as some make out though
[14:57] <bashrc> I've also heard a few docker horror stories
[14:58] <mgdm> docker is quite cool, docker-compose is cooler still, but I"m not sure I'd use it in production yet
[14:59] <diddledan> I just don't really understand what docker gives me that I can't get with aws normally
[14:59] <diddledan> but yet amazon announce "we now support docker" as if it's important
[14:59] <mgdm> You might be able to get more efficient resource usage
[14:59] <diddledan> obv I'm using amazon as an example, it covers any provider really
[15:00] <mgdm> instead of having to run two entire VMs to keep two services separate, you can have one with the two bits containerised on the same machine
[15:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: there had better be sexpistols in that list ;)
[15:22] <diddledan> davmor2: that sounds like a dangerous liason
[15:23] <diddledan> sex AND pistols?!
[15:23] <daftykins> whoa McCoys in new design packaging shocker!
[15:24] <davmor2> diddledan: water pistols I never said what sort you assumed
[15:28] <diddledan> daftykins:  :-o
[15:32] <daftykins> ikr!
[15:33] <daftykins> had to double take what i'd just picked up to buy
[15:50] <awilkins> http://jakepoz.com/soviet_debugging.html << In Soviet Russia, cow debugs you
[16:00] <bashrc> yes, ionising radiation can flip bits
[16:01] <daftykins> NASA have some kinda new tech trialling up on the ISS right now that's safe from it
[16:02] <bashrc> cosmic rays have the same effect in space, so taking your laptop to Jupiter might not be a good user experience unless it has been radiation hardened
[16:03] <bashrc> the Earth's atmosphere shields out a lot of the cosmic crap
[16:04] <bashrc> at chernobyl, circuit boards on the improvised robots melted after a while
[16:04] <daftykins> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-RAM
[16:05] <daftykins> there we go, resists radiation and temperature issues
[16:07] <daftykins> diddledan: i pulled the win10 key out of my install today (which activated fine! must've been a lot lower load on their activation servers today) then clean installed \o/ (truly clean)
[16:40] <diddledan> toblerone
[16:41] <daftykins> mmm haven't had some of that in far too long
[16:48] <foobarry> verdict on the museums today
[16:49] <foobarry> science museum: no queue, did a rush job and only did 2 floors. would like to go back on my own without the son :D
[16:49] <diddledan> lol
[16:50] <diddledan> museums are wasted on kids :-p
[16:50] <foobarry> natural history, long queues , especially for the dinosaur rooms, great for the boy
[16:50] <foobarry> did most of nat history
[16:50] <diddledan> \o/
[16:50] <foobarry> i didn't see the computers in the science mus
[16:50] <foobarry> just saw the space room, and the room with stephensons rocket in, and the hands on stuff in  launchpad
[16:54] <diddledan> stephenson's rocket is in a museum already? I didn't know steamos was that noteworthy yet :-p
[16:56] <foobarry> saw narwhals and pangolins
[16:56] <diddledan> yey for ubuntu! :-p
[16:57] <foobarry> https://goo.gl/photos/F7Ew4gX9xEf4z1zWA
[17:37] <diddledan> 18:37 <Sbur> daftykins: I'm sorry, but as you probably can see, I'm a noob
[17:38] <diddledan> self-identifying as a noob is a worrying trend
[17:38] <diddledan> its akin to saying "I don't know anything, so I'm not going to try"
[17:38] <diddledan> a much better term to self-identify as would be "learning"
[17:39] <zleap> what is self identifying
[17:39] <diddledan> I don't like that people are admitting defeat before starting
[17:39] <diddledan> zleap: identifying yourself
[17:39] <zleap> ok
[17:39] <daftykins> get it all the time with clients too
[17:39] <diddledan> zleap: hence, self-identifying
[17:39] <zleap> like with gpg
[17:39] <zleap> or passports
[17:40] <diddledan> err
[17:40] <diddledan> no
[17:40] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[17:40] <diddledan> nothing to do with passports
[17:40] <zleap> ok
[17:40] <zleap> sorry
[17:40] <diddledan> zleap: you self-identify as "zleap"
[17:41] <diddledan> zleap: if you said you were a noob then you'd also be self-identifying as a noob
[17:41] <zleap> ok
[17:41] <diddledan> zleap: self-identifying is telling other people what you have decided you are
[17:42] <diddledan> if I called myself a moron then I would be self-identifying as a moron
[17:43] <zleap> so python noob or c++ hacker,  like level of skill in something
[17:43] <diddledan> (not that I'm ever going to call myself a moron. that would be moronic :-p)
[17:43] <diddledan> it doesn't have to be skill-level
[17:44] <diddledan> it could just be a name
[17:44] <zleap> k
[17:44] <diddledan> I self-identify as "diddledan" for example as a name
[17:45] <zleap> i guess i self id as zleap then
[17:45] <diddledan> the point is it's your own decision about yourself - it is about what you think you are rather than what other people think you are
[17:45] <diddledan> so my complaint here is people being defeatest by deciding they're a noob before they even try
[17:46] <daftykins> often an excuse to avoid being given links to learn things
[17:46] <zleap> yeah i see your point
[17:46] <daftykins> and just want the answer handed over
[17:46] <diddledan> daftykins: yeah
[17:47] <diddledan> daftykins: I cut my teeth on a qmail mailing list which really was a trial-by-fire in terms of the members ensuring that you learnt the reasons and the solution rather than them just saying "run x y z and boom"
[17:47] <diddledan> I try to follow the same path when I help others but they do make it difficult at times
[17:48] <zleap> indeed as there isn't a one size fits all solution
[17:58] <mappps> omg its boiling and i have to wea jeans and shirt
[17:58] <mappps> work party and it says no shorts
[18:55] <diddledan> interesting issue: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/16696
[18:56] <diddledan> tor is "unbalanced"
[18:56] <diddledan> BW == bandwidth - they measure bandwidth of nodes in the network to better asses a node's capability for transferring data for users
[18:57] <diddledan> faster nodes get more traffic as a result
[19:08]  * diddledan been loving it up with https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify_uk_/playlist/3fFwkB1IzcZlvYZEuiDzUU
[19:08] <diddledan> :-p
[19:09] <diddledan> the so-called "#throwbackthursday" playlist with this week's subject matter being "Romantic power ballads!"
[20:04] <czajkowski> .c
[20:17] <daftykins> hrmm user getting black boxes in notifications and apps from gnome3 on intel graphics, sandybridge gen
[20:19] <diddledan> it's a laptop?
[20:19] <diddledan> if so I would guess it's got that hybrid thingy going-on
[20:19] <daftykins> nah sole graphics
[20:19] <daftykins> i had an lspci done
[20:19] <diddledan> no idea then :-p
[20:20] <diddledan> I only help when the answer's obvious :-p
[20:20] <daftykins> guy rolled back 14.04.2 to a 3.13 kernel, probably suggest going newer
[20:20] <daftykins> heh
[20:20] <daftykins> same pretty much
[20:20] <daftykins> or the problem is interesting
[21:14] <vormeph> guys, will mesa 11.0 be hitting ubuntu? my laptop could sure use the opengl 4.1 tech :D
[23:11] <daftykins> this Turing film with Benedict Cumberbatch looks interesting


[00:11] <manchicken> Are we having a meeting?
[00:44] <manchicken> I guess we're not having a meeting then.


[07:57] <JP____> morning to all; i want to know what software app i have on lubuntu to download apps
[11:16] <helpplease> what's the alternative to HOSTS file when I need a format like "<IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>", instead of: "<IP_ADDRESS>      myhostname"? either I'm doing something wrong or it won't work with 2 numeric hosts
[15:15] <ellow> ellow?
[15:41] <gile_> in the event of no internet can i still install lubuntu?
[15:41] <gile_> hi
[15:47] <gile_> Cannot I install bootloader pls
[15:56] <gile_> welcome
[17:39] <Kan_> excuse me I dont mean to be rude but already I checked online and it doesnt work. how do I change my login password
[19:23] <configuringMOUSE> Hello. I'm trying to remap my mouse thumb button. I've tried xte, xbindkeys, imwheel, and a few more. They all bind the mouse thumb to a key correctly, but there is an issue: when I am holding another mouse button (ie left click) and then I press the thumb button, then the thumb button will do nothing.
[19:24] <configuringMOUSE>  tested it with xev, having thumb_1 remapped to SPACE key, and while pressing thumb in fact printed space, pressing thumb while holding left click printed button 8 (default mouse thumb button), so  S O M E H O W  the sole act of holding a mouse button DENIES EVERY REMAP TOOL AVAILABLE FOR LINUX.
[19:24] <configuringMOUSE> I've googled for hours and there are some people who had my same issue, but no one provided an answer!!!!! i'm going crazy. I've been 4 hours on this. I just want my mouse thumb to behave as a keyboard key, why is it so complicated?
[19:25] <wxl> configuringMOUSE: it's quite possible that the hardware itself won't support it.
[19:26] <configuringMOUSE> this can be done easily on windows, it's not a hardware issue.. but thanks xwl
[19:27] <wxl> then i'd suggest asking at #ubuntu. this is not a lubuntu-specific problem. for that matter, it's not an ubuntu specific problem either. try ##linux.
[19:37] <configuringMOUSE> wxl: it's not a linux specific problem either, it's only about xorg and the tools available in lubuntu to remap mouse buttons
[19:37] <configuringMOUSE> i don't know about other distributions
[19:51] <wxl> configuringMOUSE: so you tried asking in ##linux, then?
[19:56] <configuringMOUSE> wxl: won't allow me to enter, can you ask for me?
[19:59] <wxl> um, no
[20:00] <wxl> if you see /msg chanserv info ##linux and look at the entry msg you'll see what you need to do
[20:01] <configuringMOUSE> wxl: I don't need to do anything, it's you who wants me to ask there XD
[20:02] <wxl> configuringMOUSE: well, do what you want then
[20:03] <configuringMOUSE> don't mention it!


[17:04] <jp_larocque> What's the best way to figure out why upstart is blocking system startup on something?  I'm having a heck of a time trying to write a couple of upstart job definitions.
[17:57] <jp_larocque> Well, I'm disappointed to report that after maybe 6 hours across a few days of trying to do this the right way, the only tractible solution was to mangle existing definitions to call old /etc/init.d scripts.  Upstart is just way too complicated for me, and I can't predict how it makes decisions, or what it's doing.
[18:06] <JanC> did you enable verbose logging?
[18:07] <JanC> jp_larocque: are you using http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ ?
[18:08] <JanC> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#debugging
[19:54] <jp_larocque> JanC: Verbose logging told me that my jobs weren't starting, and the lack of activity told me that there was a deadlock, but not the cause of either.
[19:55] <jp_larocque> I have been reading through a bit of the cookbook, but not the entire thing.  I probably could have done more research before giving up.
[19:55] <JanC> in that case, you'll have to see what the start conditions for the jobs that don't start are?
[20:00] <jp_larocque> Well, I wrote the job definitions.  For the "setkey" defintion, there were no start conditions (which I think means start at any point not further restricted by other definitions), and for the "racoon" definition the start condition was "start on (started setkey and starting mountall-net)".
[20:00] <jp_larocque> Which I optimistically thought meant that upstart would ensure setkey starts before racoon, and the start of mountall-net is blocked until racoon is started.
[20:01] <JanC> no start conditions means it will only start when you start it manually?
[20:01] <jp_larocque> But I'm having a hard time finding precise language that specifies how jobs are ordered.
[20:01] <jp_larocque> Oh?  I had not realized that.
[20:04] <JanC> you can use "start on startup" to start a job ASAP
[20:04] <jp_larocque> But having upstart print something along the lines of "racoon blocked until `started job=setkey' event" would be immensely helpful in troubleshooting these issues.
[20:05] <JanC> although "start on startup" means that it might start before filesystems are available etc.
[20:05] <jp_larocque> Yeah.
[20:06] <JanC> maybe that's okay, or maybe you want some other event to start it on
[20:06] <jp_larocque> Anyway, thought I'd provide some feedback on why I gave up.  I could easily waste many more hours trying to get this done the right way, but I'm ready to have a booting computer with IPsec-protected NFS home directories now.  =)
[20:07] <jp_larocque> Thanks for the information.