[00:00] <arand> delac: Ah, true, oops, saw tha you'd already mentioned that...
[00:01] <nOStahl> im on intel drivers as well
[00:02] <arand> delac: I don't know I'm afraid, it may be specific to drivers, if not, creating a new user and testing there would make sure it has naught to do with settings
[00:02] <BajK> *putting notebook to standby, let's see if it wakes up again*
[00:02] <bastayahijo1> how do I verify I have beta2 and not beta1
[00:03] <BajK> hm
[00:03] <charlie-tca> !final | bastayahijo1
[00:03] <BajK> nope, all i get is a black screen -.-
[00:03] <delac> arand: well, it does work correctly on classic. maybe I should try another user.
[00:03] <bastayahijo1> ubottu: it's up to date, so I guess I have it
[00:04] <bastayahijo1> nice
[00:04] <arand> Why is ubottu suggesting a dist-upgrade? >_<
[00:04] <bastayahijo1> arand: from 10.10 to 11.04 right
[00:04] <BajK> and kernel panic xD
[00:05] <yofel> arand: you do realise you need dist-upgrade to get the deps right?
[00:05] <yofel> blame the devs for the naming :S
[00:05] <charlie-tca> If you don't use dist-upgrade, you wind up not upgrading the kernel
[00:05] <yofel> aptitude FTW! :P
[00:06] <delac> arand: nope, doesn't work there either
[00:06] <charlie-tca> dist-upgrade in ubuntu only installs updates, it will not upgrade to the next release
[00:06] <arand> Hmm, I thought dist-upgrde only did allow additional removals as it's "thing"
[00:07] <BajK> *hoping that suspend to disk works*
[00:07] <arand> charlie-tca: Well if you edit sources.list it will, though the only time you'd want to do that is pre-alpha when it hasn't been enable d yet...
[00:08] <BajK> lol, the power lamp on the notebook is blinking yellow (i.e. standby) but the screen still shows a blinking cursor :D
[00:09] <charlie-tca> I have never had to edit sources.list to get all the updates installed.
[00:10] <arand> charlie-tca: To go from release to release it is needed if do-release-upgrade isn't enabled.
[00:10] <BajK> ok, suspend to disk doesnt work either -.-
[00:10] <BajK> so I have to disable all this
[00:11] <BajK> maaan is it really so hard implementing standardized acpi features?
[00:11] <arand> charlie-tca: There's usually a period where there is no liveCDs nor d-r-u is enabled, if you want +1 at that point, that's the only way to go ;)
[00:12] <charlie-tca> And that has nothing to do with doing your udates to keep the system current.
[00:13] <yofel> arand: the problem is that 'upgrade' does not add/remove and packages to resolve dependencies, unlike aptitude safe-upgrade. So you need to regularily use dist-upgrade to get all updates with apt-get
[00:14] <arand> I had the impression that those cases were'nt actually very common, past beta or so, I guess I'm mistaken... safe-upgrade acts the same way right?
[00:16] <yofel> I think safe-upgrade will add packages but refuse to remove any, which is enough to get kernel updates in. apt-get upgrade won't install any added packages
[00:17] <arand> Heh, I didn't think it was that long ago I used apt-get, guess it must be :/
[00:18] <KM0201> well, my computer didn't melt
[00:18] <KM0201> lol
[00:19] <KM0201> i'm not to fond of Quassel just yet.. but that's easily remedied
[00:20] <yofel> the only thing quassel is missing is DCC support, which I almost never use. But it's the only GUI client I know that can mimick irssi+screen+ssh behaviour
[00:20] <KM0201> i don't particularly like it... but like i said, easily remedied.
[00:21] <KM0201> how do i add widgets to the panel... everytime i try, it never adds.
[00:21] <yofel> KM0201: Klick on that "cashew" in the panel -> add widgets
[00:22] <KM0201> hmm, isn't working for some reason.
[00:22] <KM0201> (i tried that).... i add it, but it doesn't show up.
[00:23] <yofel> o.O works here
[00:23] <KM0201> ok, once i choose the widget to add, what do i do, just double click it, or drag/drop, or what?
[00:23] <yofel> both should work
[00:26] <KM0201> ok, i think i got adding widgets down
[00:26] <KM0201> now, how can i put them where i want them... as opposed to them just getting put somewhere.
[00:27] <yofel> click on add widgets, then you can select them in the panel and move them around while the menu is open
[00:27] <yofel> ah no, just click on the cashew
[00:27] <yofel> not on add widgets
[00:27] <KM0201> ok.
[00:27] <KM0201> what i'm finding, is i don't like the default panel, so I'm setting up my own (or attempting to..lol)
[00:28] <yofel> I doubt anyone is using the default panel..
[00:29] <KM0201> hmm, the panel is a little weird to work w/(the spacing, etc..) but i think i can get the hang of it.
[00:32] <KM0201> man this panel is frustrating.
[00:32] <KM0201> shouldn't be this difficult
[00:33] <KM0201> everytime i set something, it moves all the way back to the left.
[00:35] <ceed^> Does anyone know if there's going be more configuration options for Unity?
[00:35] <yofel> KM0201: my current desktop http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/plasma1.png
[00:35] <yofel> (edited)
[00:37] <delac> hmm, it seems they forgot to provide new 32px icons for workspace switcher and trash, so if you resize the launcher to 32px, it will revert back to the old icons. however this wont happend straight away after the resize. the new icons will resiz to 32px as they are svg, but when the launcher decises to check the icons for some reason, it will revert to more appropriately sized icons (the old ones) which might confuse the hell out of
[00:38] <KM0201> yofel: looks pretty good.
[00:38] <delac> also, it seems that the launcher icons are not referenced from the user selectable icon set, but are (maybe) hard linked from unity, so you wont be able to change unitys icon set from appearances...
[00:38] <KM0201> yofel: no offense, but this sucks.
[00:39] <KM0201> lol
[00:39] <yofel> :S what's now?
[00:39] <KM0201> organizing the panel is an exercise in frustration
[00:39] <KM0201> everytime i move something onto the panel, it just moves all the way to the left.
[00:39] <KM0201> rather than where i want it.
[00:40] <yofel> when you move it between 2 other widgets on the panel they should make space by themselves
[00:40] <KM0201> hmm, lemme try again.
[00:40] <KM0201> it seems everything moves to the left, no matter what i do.
[00:41] <yofel> hm, here the panel becomes highlighted at the place the widget will be placed when I move it
[00:42] <KM0201> yofel: i add the icons i want.. then i click the cashew to move them.
[00:42] <KM0201> and then drag them where i want them.
[00:42] <KM0201> then it just moves them back
[00:43] <KM0201> yofel_: i add the icons i want.. then i click the cashew to move them.
[00:43] <KM0201> then i drop them where i want them, then it just moves them back.
[00:44] <yofel_> geh, can you repeat that? got disconnected
[00:44] <KM0201> ok.
[00:45] <KM0201> i add the widget that i want.. and it moves it all the way to the left
[00:45] <KM0201> i click the cashew, i get the little "4 arrows" i move the widget where i want it, and drop it.
[00:45] <KM0201> then it gets moved back to the left.
[00:45] <yofel> do the other widgets move when you drag it?
[00:45] <yofel> while you drag it
[00:45] <KM0201> um, hold on
[00:45] <KM0201> yes...
[00:46] <yofel> they should, as the panel shows the new widget location in real time
[00:46] <KM0201> right.. they move in place wherever i have the one i'm actually moving
[00:46] <KM0201> but when i drop the one i'm moving, it immediately moves back to the "left"..
[00:47]  * yofel boots the live disk in a VM
[00:47] <KM0201> thanks
[00:48] <KM0201> sorry, dog went nanners so i went to see what she was barking at
[00:48] <dougalb> quick question about gnome keyring: i am unable to select unlock this keyring automatically when i log in. is this a known issue/easy fix?
[00:50] <yofel> KM0201: can't reproduce this here, when I add a widget by double click it adds it to the default panel at the right, when I click on the cashew I can move it and place it where I want and it stays there
[00:50] <KM0201> hmm
[00:50] <KM0201> and your'e on the live cd, right?
[00:51] <yofel> yes, no compositing though in KVM, but plasma shouldn't care about that
[00:52] <KM0201> ok
[00:52] <KM0201> sorry about that
[00:52] <KM0201> i don't understand this.
[00:53] <KM0201> hold on yofel, i'll show you
[00:58] <yofel> KM0201: just to make sure: you're clicking on the cashew on the panel? not the one in the top right corner of the screen?
[00:58] <KM0201> pretty sure
[00:59] <delac> KM0201: have you tried the spacers?
[00:59] <KM0201> i think i just found the problem
[00:59] <KM0201> yes, i tried the spacers
[01:00] <delac> KM0201: didnt work?
[01:00] <KM0201> well, maybe not
[01:00] <KM0201> hold on
[01:00] <KM0201> no, it dind't work
[01:00] <delac> KM0201: can't resize the spacer?
[01:00] <KM0201> delac: i tried, if i wanted to move something all the way to the right, i had to make the spacer the entire size of the panel
[01:00] <MK``> What are the system requirements for Natty/compared to Maverick
[01:01] <delac> KM0201: well, that is one way
[01:01] <KM0201> then i couldn't add anything else to the panel.. if i resized the spacer, to be "small" to the right.. it moved the icon back to the left.
[01:01] <delac> KM0201: use more spacers :)
[01:01] <KM0201> you can't
[01:02] <delac> KM0201: ?
[01:02] <KM0201> ..
[01:02] <delac> KM0201: just add them from the Add Spacers
[01:06] <KM0201> i like the interface, but this is ridiculous
[01:06] <delac> KM0201: you got more spacers?
[01:06] <KM0201> delac: you're not getting what i'm saying
[01:07] <KM0201> i've used spacers
[01:07] <KM0201> when i make the spacer big enough to move the icons to the right (or whrever i want them) i can't add anymore icons to the pane.
[01:07] <KM0201> so i make the spacer smaller, and it moves the icons back tot he left
[01:07] <delac> KM0201: can you get more than one spacer?
[01:07] <KM0201> ..
[01:07]  * KM0201 sighs.
[01:08] <delac> KM0201: if you want to align widget to middle, put spacer on both sides
[01:09] <delac> KM0201: then you can also have widgets on left and right side
[01:09] <KM0201> delac: no offense, you're just repeating yourself, and you're not hearing what i'm saying
[01:09]  * yofel only has one panel where the task manager acts as a spacer and the widets are left and right of that
[01:09] <delac> KM0201: yes
[01:10] <yofel> which is how the default panel behaves too
[01:10] <KM0201> how do you install recordmydesktop on kubuntu?
[01:11] <yofel> system settings -> software management
[01:11] <yofel> or alt+f2 kpackagekit
[01:11] <Olson> hello, please. I upgraded to 11.04 earlier and now I log in to old account and just get my old wallpaper with no desktop icons or toolbars, alt + f2 or nothing works, so I create new account to use this which is fine. I feel it might be settings or theme related so can I maybe remove or rename folder like ~/.gnome or so to get back original theme? Is there someway to reset defaults but keep my home directories and such intact, and ho
[01:11] <Olson> w to do?
[01:11] <KM0201> ok, hold on
[01:12] <yofel> recordmydesktop only segfaults here for some reason though...
[01:13] <KM0201> lol, go figure
[01:13] <delac> Olson: if you changed your compiz settings beforehand, then you might one to trash ~/.compiz to try to solve the problem. But do make backup from it before.
[01:14] <KM0201> if i can't make this work, i'll freaking install just to make my point..lol
[01:14] <Olson> delac, I wasn't using compiz previously, however I will try what you say thank you
[01:15] <delac> KM0201: make your panel like this:      WIDGET| spacer| WIDGET| spacer| WIDGET         and then try to resize either of the spacers
[01:15] <KM0201> ok, hang ona sec..
[01:16] <delac> Olson: if you didnt use compiz before, I dont think you have ~/.compiz at all
[01:18] <Olson> delac, indeed, .compiz doesn't exist in old home directory. I'm happy to lose all settings, just really dont want hassle to transfer everything over to new account, can we do this?
[01:18] <KM0201> boy no offense
[01:18] <KM0201> but i have no iea how you guys use that
[01:18] <KM0201> i can't believe people claim thats faster than Gnome/Unity.
[01:19] <KM0201> my lapto locked up so i said screw it, i'm now happily back on Unity now..lol
[01:19] <KM0201> i like the interface, but organizing a panel, should not be that difficult.
[01:19] <KM0201> yofel, and also, i did your spacer, widget, spacer, widget.. before you suggested it, and it did the same thing.. when i tried to resize the spacer, it just moved everything to the left.
[01:20] <delac> KM0201: well yes, the spacers are pretty idiotic
[01:20] <KM0201> .. the spacers were my whole problem
[01:20] <KM0201> if they would work, i could ahve put stuff where i wanted it.
[01:20] <KM0201> as it stood, everything kept getting moved to the left, with or w/o the spacers
[01:21] <Olson> delac, what happens if I remove .gnome or so? it will be recreated when I try to log in again? I really just want old log in back, happy to configure tool bars or so again
[01:21] <yofel> and I don't have any of the issues you are describing...
[01:21] <KM0201> yofel, i think KDE was just revolting against me because of all the bad things i've said about it over the years..lol
[01:22] <KM0201> if i could ahve gotten record my desktop to work, i'd ahve showed you.
[01:22] <yofel> hmpf
[01:22] <yofel> I filed bug 762336 about my crash, let's hope apport doesn't need 2 weeks to retrace that... *sigh*
[01:23] <delac> Olson: yes, it will be recreated, but you will lose settings for many programs. Might also lose your keyrings. I strongly suggest taking backup from it before. Or just rename it to something else. That works too.
[01:24] <Olson> I will do that, thank you delac. Are there any other folders I should know of to rename before attempting log in to reset gnome defaults
[01:24] <Olson> everything can be recovered really, settings or otherwise, I just want to log in
[01:25] <Olson> Also.. sorry to be pain, before I go and do this, I can run 11.04 without compiz right?
[01:26] <yofel> sure either use ubuntu classic (gnome2) or install unity-2d
[01:26] <delac> Olson: on log on screen, select Ubuntu Classic NoEffects
[01:26] <Olson> ohh right, from log in.. perhaps I'll try that before removing things
[01:26] <Olson> :)
[01:27] <delac> Olson: might be good idea
[01:27] <Olson> I didnt know about this.
[01:27] <Olson> thanks!
[01:27] <delac> Olson: do you even have 3d capable graphics card?
[01:27] <Olson> yes.. nvidia GTX series
[01:27] <Olson> I 3d artist :)
[01:27] <delac> Olson: well, then it might be some configuration mismatch
[01:27] <Olson> blender
[01:28] <Olson> I figure because I had MaxOsX theme or so, something happened, it was quite custom set up before
[01:28] <Olson> surprisingly, it worked first time, then I opened firefox and everything went weird, then reboot, nothing shows on desktop.. I panic a little
[01:29] <delac> Olson: there are some more settings in .config .local and .gconf
[01:29] <delac> Olson: so it has worked?
[01:30] <Olson> I dont know yet.. this is my only machine, i gather information then try.. I will go now
[01:33] <delac> KM0201: by the way, the spacers have right click property to expand themselves. that might have been usefull for you :)
[01:33] <KM0201> delac, i know that
[01:33] <KM0201> i tried that.
[01:33] <KM0201> it was the same problem.
[01:34] <delac> KM0201: yes, it is pretty complicated. I admit that. But at least it is possible to make the panel any way you like.
[01:34] <KM0201> yeah, thats the one thing i don't particularly like about Unity.
[01:34] <KM0201> maybe that will get resolved
[01:35] <KM0201> but i tell you what, I'll use Windows before I use KDE again.. that was ridiculous
[01:35] <delac> KM0201: can windows panels be customized?
[01:35] <KM0201> no, but at least it doesnt claim it can be..lol
[01:36] <Olson> hi.. i was here before? I dig old laptop out with 8.10 on it :)
[01:36] <KM0201> Olson, lol, time to upgrae
[01:36] <KM0201> *upgrade
[01:37] <Olson> this laptop wont take the strain :)
[01:37] <KM0201> ah, sure it will.
[01:37] <Olson> anyway is so I can be IRC.. problem is with main box
[01:37] <KM0201> probably won't take KDE (consider that a blessing) or Gnome/Unity.. .but you could probably get Lubuntu running on it.. whats the specs?
[01:37] <Olson> i try Classic settings, no effect but still blank screen
[01:38] <Olson> not care about laptop.. main computer i;d really like help with
[01:38] <Olson> and yes I'm not big fan of KDE :)
[01:38] <Olson> it running XFCE
[01:39] <KM0201> i forgot your problem to be honest, i was busy fussing w/ KDE while you were talking... was it something upgrading, and now you can't log in or something?
[01:39] <delac> Olson: well, then. Time to rename the .compiz, .gnome-2, .local, .config and .gconf
[01:39] <Olson> I log in, and just get old desktop wallpaper, no icons, no toolbars, nothing
[01:39] <Olson> I will do that now
[01:40] <Olson> I forget terminal command to rename
[01:40] <delac> Olson: put something like _old after their names
[01:41] <delac> Olson: i think you need to use move or something...
[01:41] <Olson> arf I suppose I chmod 777 old home from new account to make easier
[01:41] <Olson> i do that
[01:42] <delac> Olson: i suggest you dont chmod
[01:42] <delac> Olson: you might chmod something you dont want
[01:42] <delac> Olson: but use sudo from the other account
[01:43] <Olson> other account doesn't have sudo access
[01:43] <delac> Olson: sudo nautilus
[01:43] <delac> oh
[01:43] <Olson> i did this on purpose..
[01:43] <Olson> sooo....
[01:43] <delac> give it sudo
[01:44] <Olson> i'm sorry to be noobish, I dont know how to do that easily from terninal
[01:44] <Olson> addgrp +sudo or something
[01:44] <delac> not sure myself either...
[01:44] <Olson> im on verge of being a pain so.. if it's not the end of the world to just 777 the account and fix later I go that
[01:45] <yofel> adduser <newuser> admin
[01:45] <yofel> then log out
[01:45] <MK``> What are the system requirements for Natty/compared to Maverick?
[01:45] <yofel> *as* root
[01:45] <yofel> MK``: should be pretty much the same, except that unity requires compiz running
[01:45] <KM0201> whats that gnome tetris game?.. not bastard tetris, the "normal" tetris game
[01:46] <Olson> sudo adduser fix admin      user fix does not exist
[01:46] <MK``> Quadrapassel?
[01:46] <KM0201> MK``, isn't that KDE?
[01:46] <MK``> nope, it's gnome
[01:46] <MK``> background is a giant foot X)
[01:47] <Olson> I 777 the account.. it be fine I fix later
[01:47] <KM0201> MK``, yeah, i think thats it, hang on
[01:48] <delac> Olson: this fix is going to make so much changes to your account, that it might be easier to just trash the whole thing and start a new one
[01:49] <Olson> delac, yeah..I was kind of resigned to that fact earlier.. i just wanted to try, and thank you for taking time to attempt a help
[01:51] <Olson> I can move configuration directories over to new account for programs I use and stuff, sure, it's just "work" and i have enough of that :)
[01:51] <delac> Olson: yes, it's about which approach is easier. you are going to lose much of your settings this way, so it might be good idea to start from clean slate anyway. at least there wouldn't be any possible conflicting settings hiding then
[01:52] <delac> Olson: yes, for Blender and such. But I dont recommend that for any desktop settings.
[01:53] <Olson> delac, indeed you're right, not worry about blender, build from source that everyday, i'm kinda 'involved' in that project
[01:53] <Olson> everything is different! gnome 3
[01:54] <Olson> show hidden files and folders.. where that go?
[01:54] <delac> In nautilus? Should be there.
[01:55] <Olson> no menu bar
[01:55] <delac> Olson: menu bar is in top panel
[01:55] <Olson> ohhh
[01:55] <Olson> lol..
[01:55] <delac> Olson: yes, not everyone likes that
[01:55] <Olson> like OSX
[01:56] <Olson> mm i try it
[01:58] <Olson> oookyy
[01:58] <Olson> I has some action
[01:59] <Olson> I renamed what you said and now can get in.. I see how we go with that
[02:01] <Olson> desktop icons are massive
[02:02] <delac> Olson: you mean the ones in Dash? yes they are and unfortunately unresizable
[02:02] <Olson> desktop ones
[02:02] <delac> Olson: oh, they shouldn't be larger than normal
[02:03] <Olson> mm.. i had them small somehow last time
[02:03] <Olson> anyway.. lots of errors.. this and that closing unexpedetly,. i think new account must be way forward
[02:04]  * KM0201 <3's Quadrapassel
[02:04] <delac> Olson: in that case it might be
[02:04] <Olson> of course you were right though I wanted to see :) hope that's ok
[02:04] <Olson> yah.. millions of closing unexpetedly :P
[02:07] <KM0201> the ops lurk among us.
[02:07] <KM0201> :)
[02:10] <KM0201> !isitoutyet > KM0201
[02:10] <BUGabundo> LOL
[02:10] <KM0201> ?
[02:10] <KM0201> :)
[02:11] <KM0201> the next time i say i want to try KDE, i want someone here to promise to send me a virus that melts my computer
[02:11] <Olson> can I ask if you're getting on with new gnome3 thing, or rather using the classic version
[02:11] <delac> KM0201: maybe next time dont touch the panel :)
[02:12] <arand> Olson: natty uses unity/gnome2, not gnome3
[02:12] <KM0201> i still feel like i need an alcoholic drink an hour after i stopped using it..lol
[02:12] <KM0201> delac, well, that removes any advantage it would have had over a normal Ubuntu..
[02:12] <Olson> arand, ohhh
[02:12] <Olson> so is this unity a good thing?
[02:12] <KM0201> the *ONLY* thing i dislike about Unity, is that I can't customize the icons on my top panel... and really it's only missing 2 that I really want... Force Quit, and System Monitor.
[02:13] <KM0201> Olson, ask that question to 10 people, and you'll get 12 different answers
[02:13] <delac> KM0201: it does have many more odd customization possibilities
[02:13] <Olson> sure.. i just wondered what you 4 or 5 thought
[02:13] <KM0201> yeah.
[02:13] <KM0201> Olson, personally, i like it... but I don't think its as good as it could be... yet.
[02:13] <KM0201> i look for Unity to really be good around 11.10, or 12.04
[02:14] <KM0201> it's a little laggy at times
[02:14] <KM0201> not horrible, and not that frequent, but you'll see it on occasion
[02:14] <Olson> so.. maybe I keep it "classic" and live like before
[02:14] <KM0201> Olson, thats certainly an option...
[02:14] <Olson> well,. i need to reconfigure whole experience now anyway.. so,,,
[02:14] <yofel> unity is usable IMHO, but the almost complete lack of any settings for unity doesn't really make me want to use it. As I'm not too happy with the default
[02:15] <KM0201> Olson, i'm a full blown Gnome whore... so i can totally appreciate wanting to stay w/ Classic... but give unity a try(a real chance, not use 10min, and say no way and let it go)... you might find yourself warming up to it.
[02:15] <Olson> mmmm...
[02:15] <Olson> i dont like change :P
[02:15] <Olson> hehe
[02:15] <KM0201> me either
[02:16] <KM0201> like i said.. it's been a 4 day process me getting used to Unity, but it's growing on me.. the first time I tried it I said.. No way, and went to Classic... then i decided to give it a chance for at least a day, and like i said, its slowly growing on me.
[02:16] <Olson> i made it work for me before.. just got excited about new ubuntu :) it;s never been easy upgrading
[02:16] <Olson> oky. i will try it then
[02:16] <Olson> though.. one thing... I dont want compiz
[02:16] <Olson> anywhere
[02:17] <KM0201> i'm not a fan of compiz either.
[02:17] <KM0201> compiz does make some of the settings for Unity a little easier to set up though.
[02:17] <KM0201> oh oh oh.. i finally found i have a question
[02:17] <Olson> same as I wont use pulseaudio, I do not want compiz
[02:17] <KM0201> in the applications button.. how can i change the Icons for an application.
[02:17] <Olson> so perhaps unity is not for me
[02:18] <KM0201> pulseaudio isn't bad... that's another example of Ubuntu releasing something that was crap, knowing it was crap, with the intent of fixing it as time went along.
[02:18] <KM0201> by 10.04.. Pulse was pretty good... and it's still great in 11.04
[02:19] <Olson> well i dont want it or need it, i want my ALSA, and I have various reasons for it
[02:19] <rww> and it still doesn't do anything I want to do that ALSA doesn't
[02:19] <Olson> ye
[02:19] <KM0201> rww, i didn't really get that... maybe i'm still in a KDE haze
[02:19] <KM0201> you're saying Pulse audio doesn't really do anything Alsa doesn't... right?
[02:20] <rww> KM0201: Pulseaudio does things that ALSA doesn't do. I don't care because I don't use any of those things.
[02:20] <Olson> no he says pulse doesnt do anything he NEEDS that alsa doesn't
[02:20] <KM0201> rww, oh ok.. that makes sense.
[02:20]  * KM0201 goes back to sucking his thumb in the corner while trying to get over the nightmare that is KDE
[02:21] <rww> I like KDE more than you don't like KDE.
[02:21] <KM0201> lol.. rww, i don't think thats possible
[02:21] <Olson> so hang on.. I confused now.. perhaps beer or the late hour, but..
[02:21] <rww> I think it is <3
[02:21] <Olson> arf nvm
[02:22] <Olson> i want try unity without compiz.. is ok?
[02:22] <Olson> no effect nothing
[02:22] <KM0201> for some reason i'm reminded of that quote from ghostbusters, Ray Stantz: "What he means, sir, is Old Testament situations. Real Wrath-of-God-type stuff! Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies... Rivers and seas boiling..."
[02:22] <KM0201> Egon Spengler: "Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes..."
[02:22] <KM0201> Winston Zeddemore: "The dead rising from the grave!"Peter Venkman: "Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!"
[02:23] <Olson> wasted processing power I need for rendering
[02:23] <rww> Olson: Unity is (at least partially) a Compiz plugin, so no. Look into Unity 2D, which is a different, somewhat similar thing.
[02:23] <KM0201> thats how i felt using KDE
[02:23] <KM0201> lol
[02:23] <KM0201> i didn't know Unity had a 2D version...
[02:23] <Olson> rww, oky I think i'll just use classic though, thank you
[02:25] <pelmen> Hello, just installed Gnome3, gnome-shell on 11.04, and it keeps crashing on me on startup. Sysmes says gnome-shell segfault at c ip bla bla address error 4 in libGl.. anyone familiart ?
[02:25] <KM0201> pelmen, oh man, good luck... Gnome 3 pushed me to reinstall... it was awful
[02:25] <KM0201> kept locking up, etc.
[02:25] <rww> KM0201: it uses Qt, so you're probably allergic to it.
[02:26] <delac> :)
[02:26] <KM0201> rww, lol, good possibility.. i did feel hives coming up on my back
[02:26] <pelmen> DAMMET
[02:26] <rww> and yes, the GNOME3 PPA for natty isn't very stable I hear
[02:26] <KM0201> rww, yeah, it was a mess fo rme.. it lasted all of about 15min, i tried to get in Gnome-Classic... no joy.. ended up just reinstalling
[02:29] <Olson> arrgh,,, where is make desktop icons smaller
[02:30] <delac> Olson: they do have some resize thing on the right click menu
[02:30] <KM0201> Olson, make smaller?
[02:30] <delac> Olson: althoug I wonder if that is what you need...
[02:31] <Olson> before I had nice small desktop icons.. i did it somehow
[02:31] <KM0201> not sure thats an option w/ desktop icons.. you just resize them.
[02:31] <Olson> now they're just massive and silly looking
[02:32] <KM0201> Olson, http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/how-to-resize-desktop-icons-in-ubuntu-linux/
[02:32] <KM0201> looks like you want #2
[02:32]  * KM0201 uses his Google foo to karate chop Ubuntu
[02:33] <delac> I was just going to suggest that :(
[02:33] <KM0201> lol
[02:33] <KM0201> i knew it was in nautilus, just wasn't exactly sure where
[02:33] <delac> you ubuntufu is faster than mine
[02:34] <KM0201> years of practice delac-son..... now Paint the fence
[02:34] <KM0201> :)
[02:34] <Olson> ahh yes of course it's a nautilus thing
[02:34] <Olson> thanks KM0201
[02:34] <KM0201> Olson, np
[02:38] <KM0201> i just realized you can add icons to the sidebar
[02:38] <KM0201> lol
[02:39] <rww> natty is very user-friendly.
[02:39] <delac> KM0201: you really haven't been using it much, have you?
[02:39] <KM0201> well, i think Ubuntu is in general to be truthful.
[02:40] <KM0201> delac, i told you i just started using it a couple days ago.
[02:40] <delac> as we all
[02:40] <KM0201> (unity that is).. i was using Gnome Classic.. which.. well, was Gnome.. so i had it all pretty well figured ot.
[02:40] <Olson> it will take me many days to recover from the upgrade
[02:41] <delac> Olson: upgrades tend to be like that
[02:41] <delac> although they really shouldnt
[02:41]  * KM0201 hates upgrading...
[02:41] <KM0201> I always clean install.
[02:42] <delac> well that really isn't less work...
[02:42] <KM0201> i think so.
[02:42] <KM0201> a lot less actually
[02:42] <KM0201> and way faster
[02:42] <KM0201> i took a text file, and any change i make to a program, etc.. i log it in that text file, under the proram name.
[02:42] <delac> KM0201: how do you migrate all the settings?
[02:43] <HTCPX> Im installing natty and currently on the screen that asks if you want to download updates while installing. do you guys recommend ticking or not?
[02:43] <delac> by hand?
[02:43] <KM0201> i nuke the /   reinstall, update, immediately uninstall all software i don't like, install software i like, then roll throught hat text file and set my settings up.
[02:43] <delac> HTCPX: yes
[02:43] <KM0201> usually.. to go from nuking an install, to reinstalling, and having everything back how i want it, takes me about 75min... not long at all.
[02:43] <HTCPX> delay thanks
[02:44] <HTCPX> delac thanks
[02:44] <KM0201> the one time i upgraded, it took way longer than that.. so i never upgraded again
[02:44] <KM0201> not to mention the inherent problems i ran into.
[02:45] <delac> KM0201: well, I have so many settings and installed packages that it would taka couple of days to make all changes again
[02:45] <HTCPX> has the problem with desktop resolutions been fixed in this version? the one where resolutions under 1920x1080 (16:9) only show 16:10th resolutions?
[02:45] <KM0201> delac, oh, probably not... you've just convinced yourself it would... you could also simply just put /home on a separate partition, which should backup all your settings.
[02:46] <delac> KM0201: and I can't even remember all the configurations I have. I do have most important ones in text file, but there are tons of little things
[02:46] <KM0201> delac, thats the thing, i record every single setting.
[02:46] <KM0201> even the little things
[02:47] <KM0201> i can burn through them in about 15-20min, start to finish.
[02:47] <delac> and using separate home is pretty much same as doing upgrade. in both cases there are going to be conflicting settings
[02:47] <KM0201> true.. i don't keep a separate home either
[02:48] <iszak> Is it just me or is desktop effects (wobbly windows, compiz in general) a bit more sluggish in 11.04 on gnome?
[02:48] <BUGabundo> nity nite tin men
[02:48] <KM0201> later BUGabundo
[02:49] <delac> ah, I think I should be going too
[02:49] <Olson> thanks for your help delac
[02:49] <delac> bb
[02:49] <delac> Olson: np, nice to be of any help
[02:49] <Olson> :)
[02:50]  * KM0201 has to get his body clock righted again... I'm gonna stay up till 6am(its 10pm now), sleep 4hrs, then stay up all day tomorrow, till at least midnight.
[02:52] <mahfrk> hi folks, in unity, i want to chnage the order of the icons in launcher. that is i want the s/w center icon before libreoffice icon
[02:53] <KM0201> mahfrk, drag the icon to the desktop(but don't drop it) then drag it back onto the sidebar, and put it where you want it.
[02:54] <mahfrk> KM0201: it is not working for 'Applications' icon
[02:54] <KM0201> mahfrk, it won't work for that one
[02:54] <KM0201> nor the search files... why i don't know
[02:54] <mahfrk> KM0201: okay.thanks
[02:56] <HTCPX> how do I change network settings to support 100mbit internet?
[02:57] <HTCPX> in Windows I changed the tcp window size
[02:59]  * KM0201 just realized he forgot to install Easytag.. :)
[03:00] <ubuntuguy> Because of ubuntu's new scroll feature, I can't use my vertical sliding or two finger slide on trackpad
[03:00] <ubuntuguy> When will they fix this?
[03:01] <KM0201> ubuntuguy, hang on, lemme skype shuttleworth and ask hm.
[03:01] <ubuntuguy> THanks
[03:01] <KM0201> is there a bug report on it?.. if not, file one
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> HM, there's no bug report, nope
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> Well
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> A lot of other people complaint
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> Theremay be
[03:02] <KM0201> well, then i'd say thats the first step to gettin it fixed
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> may*
[03:02] <ubuntuguy> k
[03:09] <Olson_> cannot drag CPU freq scaling monitor on panel
[03:10] <Olson_> others ok
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> You can't edit panel
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> Can you?
[03:10] <Olson_> classic
[03:10] <ubuntuguy> Oh
[03:10] <KM0201> Olson_, in classic you can't?.. hmm.
[03:10] <Olson_> only one so far cannot move
[03:10] <Olson_> temp monitor is ok
[03:13] <kaushal> hi
[03:13] <kaushal> whats the default desktop in Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[03:13] <KM0201> Unity
[03:13] <kaushal> How is it different from Gnome ?
[03:13] <KM0201> assuming your graphics process supports 3D, if it doesn't, you'll default to Gnome.
[03:13] <KM0201> kaushal, it basically just looks different
[03:14] <kaushal> ok
[03:14] <kaushal> so does it mean Unity and gnome are desktop ?
[03:14] <KM0201> ubuntu classic (the gnome you're used to) and unity, are both on the live cd/usb...
[03:14] <KM0201> yes.. more or les
[03:14] <KM0201> *less
[03:14] <kaushal> ok
[03:15] <kaushal> so what makes unity better over gnome ?
[03:15] <kaushal> I mean pros and cons
[03:15] <KM0201> kaushal, you need to use it and figure that out for yourself.. some don't like it some do.
[03:15] <kaushal> ok
[03:15] <KM0201> brb, gotta restart x
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> Unity is easier to use
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> faster
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> more attractive
[03:15] <ubuntuguy> different
[03:15] <kaushal> so the Video Card should have 3D ?
[03:16] <sylon> whats unity
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> Yeah
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> It should
[03:16] <ubuntuguy> To get all the full effects
[03:16] <kaushal> ok
[03:17] <yofel> !unity | sylon
[03:17] <madsailor> I had heard there were bug issues with Unity (specific to Unity).  Now that Natty is in beta how is it performing stability wise?
[03:17] <KM0201> i love ubottu
[03:17] <sylon> oh i thought your talking about the DI framework
[03:17] <yofel> sylon: that is the DI framework
[03:17] <KM0201> madsailor, it's been very stable for me.. but it is a beta...
[03:17] <ub20> unity is good for my tinylaptop, not that nice to work with as desktop.. so I use the classic mode... to bad compiz dont work optimal in classic mode
[03:18] <yofel> madsailor: I only tried it in a VM yesterday, but worked mostly fine there
[03:18] <ubuntuguy> BEta 2 is super stable
[03:18] <ubuntuguy> beta 1 wasn't
[03:18] <yofel> I did get a compiz crash when messing with the compiz settings though
[03:18] <madsailor> yeah, I'd love to give it a try...but kinda need my system to function ;)
[03:18] <kaushal> Does Dell Vostro 3500 supports 3D video Card ?
[03:18] <madsailor> ahhh...vm...excellent I dea
[03:18] <kaushal> where can i get that information ?
[03:18] <KM0201> yofel, lol, even my weak little Intel GPU handles compiz OK.. what are you running,a  commodore 65?
[03:18] <KM0201> *64
[03:18] <KM0201> ugh..
[03:18] <rww> madsailor: if you need your system to function, you should not put development versions of Ubuntu on it.
[03:19] <KM0201> typo killed the joke.
[03:19] <MK``> Is it possible to switch between gnome-shell and unity without logging out?
[03:19] <madsailor> exactly rww
[03:19] <ub20> ubuntuguy, agree, beta2 is stable so far
[03:19] <yofel> KM0201: no, that was in virtualbox, which ran fine until I enabled some Qt plugin in ccsm
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> Yes, it's very stable
[03:19] <rww> madsailor: I use LiveUSBs for hardware testing in that case :)
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> I suggest you upgrade
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> :]
[03:19] <sylon> yofel: eh
[03:19] <yofel> oddly enough aft er a restart the plugin was on and it worked fine
[03:19] <ubuntuguy> Just a few bugs
[03:20] <yofel> sylon: or define "DI" - they both manage the desktop
[03:20] <KM0201> hmm.
[03:20] <sylon> i doubt we are talking about the same DI
[03:20] <KM0201> sound stopped working in xchat gnome
[03:20] <sylon> dependency injection
[03:20] <KM0201> think it might be time to apt-get xchat.. xchat-gnome is getting on my nerves
[03:20] <yofel> sylon: k, I misunderstood then
[03:21] <ub20> ubuntuguy, I use beta2 as my workstation, am not worried at all : )
[03:21] <ubuntuguy> :D
[03:21] <ubuntuguy> I love ubuntu and where they're going with it
[03:21] <KM0201> does anyone know where the xchat-gnome tone is stored?
[03:21] <ubuntuguy> Best linux distro
[03:21] <KM0201> ub20, i hope your gamble doesn't cost you... not very bright in my opinion.
[03:22] <yofel> I don't like that they're making it virtually impossible to configure, but at least there are other desktop envs
[03:22] <KM0201> yofel, yeah...
[03:22] <ubuntuguy> There's no risk KM
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> It's stable enough
[03:23] <ub20> got some problem with the graphicdrivers, reinstalled them and everything was nice (ati)
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> alpha is risky
[03:23] <Olson_> KM0201, i appreciate your help and advice, I guess i'm going to have a mare over the next few days but it'll work out fine, I have what I need working so far
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> Damn small linux is so cool
[03:23] <KM0201> Olson_, hope you get everything worked out.
[03:23] <ubuntuguy> All  that for so little
[03:23] <yofel> alpha is for systems that you don't need as it may break at any time, but the beta2 now is reasonably stable
[03:24] <ub20> KM0201, gambling is fun, it confirms again, ubuntu create stable betas
[03:25] <Olson_> KM0201, i will :)
[03:25] <ubuntuguy> ubuntu ftw!
[03:25] <ubuntuguy> I feel like a mac osx fan
[03:25] <ubuntuguy> lol
[03:27] <KM0201> does anyone know where xchat-gnome stores its alert tone
[03:29] <ahmedhelal> hello i tried installing natty from a daily built that i have downloaded today, but it see my hdd as all freespace while it has a windows partition on it
[03:29] <ahmedhelal> any idea ?
[03:33] <jhouse5266534> I can't seem to configuration options in 11.04.  Things like compiz or its replacement, auto-hiding the left bar.
[03:33] <jhouse5266534> I found something to configure what shows up in menus, but can't find those menus, etc...
[03:34] <jhouse5266534> For example System Settings > Personal > Main Menu.  What does that effect?
[03:35] <Olson_> this update has basically shat in my face and laughed afterwards
[03:35] <KM0201> jhouse5266534, under unity, nothing
[03:35] <Olson_> I shall soldier on :)
[03:36] <KM0201> i'm going crazy here guys
[03:36] <KM0201> surely someone has the answer to my querie
[03:36] <jhouse5266534> KM0201, is that an intentional thing?  Or is it just temporary?  I could have expect the main menu to show up in the top bar when just the desktop is selected or something
[03:36] <KM0201> its intentional.. unity is designed to be completely separate from Gnome... what you're using is actually a Gnome menu configuration tool.
[03:37] <KM0201> you just opened it under unity
[03:37] <buff> have others found the screen flickers black about every 30 seconds in beta2?
[03:37] <jhouse5266534> I could have sworn there were some kind of windowing effects in unity such as compiz.  I can't find those settings.  Am I just imagining things?
[03:37] <rww> !ccsm
[03:38] <KM0201> jhouse5266534, there are
[03:38] <jhouse5266534> KM0201, did ubottu give the right answer?
[03:40] <jhouse5266534> !compiz
[03:40] <KM0201> jhouse5266534, what do you mean?... i didn't need the answer
[03:41] <KM0201> brb, switching to xchat.
[03:41] <jhouse5266534> right, but I do :)  Just tried what it said to install compizconfig-settings-manager.  Definitely wasn't a recognized package name
[03:43] <ub20> jhouse5266534, I do have compizconfig-settings-manager in 11.04
[03:44] <scotty> anyone do the update tonight and mess up their theme???
[03:44] <jhouse5266534> ub20, as a package installable as sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager?
[03:44] <jhouse5266534> ub20, never mind, I left out "install" when typing it :-P
[03:44] <ub20> jhouse5266534, yes
[03:45] <ub20> i have enabled 3d part repocitorys etc... maybe its that
[03:45] <jhouse5266534> how do I do the 3d part?
[03:45] <ub20> jhouse5266534, lol
[03:45] <dylan-m> Hey, does anyone here have the compose key enabled? Can you check if it's working right now? Seems to not be kicking in for me until I change the setting mid-session…
[03:46] <ub20> jhouse5266534, sudo software-properties-gtk
[03:48] <ubuntuguy> I hate how I can't install virtualbox 4 on 11.04
[03:48] <jhouse5266534> ub20, what do I add once I run that?  Also, how do I find the compiz configuration settings?
[03:48] <ubuntuguy> :l
[03:49] <ub20> jhouse5266534, i have enablet everything inside there :D
[03:50] <ub20> ubuntuguy, I do run virtualbox-ose right now
[03:50] <ubuntuguy> I think it has something to do with 3.6
[03:50] <ubuntuguy> But if I uninstall it I'll lose my windows xp
[03:51] <ub20> jhouse5266534, I dont use ubuntus software center, i use synaptic as usual :P
[03:52] <ub20> ubuntuguy, oh..
[03:52] <ubuntuguy> mhm
[03:54] <xieyi> I am using kubuntu 11.04 firefox 4.0 with flashplugin version 10.3 d180. Everytime I close a page with flash content, the whole desktop stuck for a long time and the shutting down process takes longer time. Is it a prevalent symptom?
[03:54] <MK``> dylan-m: my compose key works on 10.10
[03:54] <MK``> ¿, ß, etc.
[03:56] <dylan-m> MK``: I'm wondering about 11.04 in particular ;)
[03:56] <MK``> ah
[03:57] <izinucs> I just booted the live cd beta2 and still no unity interface.. what do I have to do to get the unity interface to show on the live cd?  nvidia 8400 graphics card, plenty of ram and a dual core
[03:58] <roccity_> izinucs, have you tried to install the drivers through additional hardware?
[03:59] <izinucs> roccity_: Can you do that on a live cd?  I thought that nuvou or whatever the opensource nvidia drivers are called, should be loaded as default
[04:00] <bjsnider> you need the libgl1-mesa-dri-experminental package to do compositing with nouveau
[04:00] <izinucs> roccity_: actually since it's a live cd you can't load from the repos where the nvidia current drivers are located unless you change the sources
[04:00] <roccity_> izinucs, I think so I have a broadcom card and when I was running the live it gave me the option to install the driver for that
[04:00] <izinucs> bjsnider: would that be on the live cd?
[04:01] <roccity_> izinucs, and it activated it too
[04:01] <KM0201> ok
[04:01] <bjsnider> i doubt it
[04:01] <KM0201> think i got it set up now.
[04:01] <KM0201> xchat-gnome was getting on my nerves
[04:01] <izinucs> roccity_: not on this one
[04:02] <roccity_> izinucs, was worth a shot :)
[04:02] <izinucs> bjsnider: yea.. not on the cd
[04:03] <izinucs> So I guess the live cd is only for the fallback 2d environment
[04:05] <ub20> KM0201, I guess the logfiles is in ¨/.xchat2/scrollback
[04:05] <KM0201> izinucs, unity worked fine for me on the live cd/usb
[04:05] <KM0201> ub20, huh?
[04:05] <KM0201> i didn't need te logfiles
[04:05] <ub20> KM0201, ahaaa sorry
[04:05] <izinucs> KM0201: It boots but no new interface.. same with beta1
[04:05] <KM0201> i wanted to knwo where the 'alert tone' for xchat-gnome was stored.
[04:06] <KM0201> izinucs, then its likely your graphics device does notsupport 3D out fo the box.. what is your graphics device?
[04:06] <KM0201> izinucs, if your device doesn';t support 3D, it defaults to Gnome Classic (which is what is happening to you)
[04:06] <izinucs> KM0201: nvidia  gforce 8400
[04:07] <KM0201> izinucs, there you go.. you need to install the Nvidia driver to use 3D
[04:07] <KM0201> or restricted driver, or whatever
[04:07] <KM0201> but Nvidia doesn't support 3D out of the box.
[04:07] <izinucs> KM0201: gotcha.. what does support it out of the box?
[04:08] <KM0201> um.. I know some Intel chipsets do... mine is a GM965 i think, on my laptop.. it supported it out of the box.
[04:08] <KM0201> ATI.. highly unlikely... Nvidia.. if its' an "OLD" nvidia.. it would probably be OK.. but honestly, i doubt it.
[04:08] <ub20> KM0201, maybe in .xchat2/sounds ?
[04:08] <KM0201> ub20, lol, i appreciate your looking at it.. but i eventualy found it, corrected the problem, and all is righ twith the world again.. :)... i even had time to convert the ogg to .wav so normal xchat could use it..lol
[04:09] <izinucs> interesting.. so with this release a lot of people won't be able to preview unity.. doesn't run in a vm either.. just 2d.. well. I guess I'll install then over my Lucid install
[04:09] <izinucs> KM0201: xchat wouldn't use an ogg file?
[04:09] <KM0201> izinucs, it seems to be that way.... i couldn't get unity going in vbox either.. but i didn;'t work on it very long
[04:09] <trism> izinucs: it will probably work if you install the package bjsnider suggested while in the live session and log out/back in
[04:09] <KM0201> izinucs, negative.. just a ton of static.
[04:10] <KM0201> trism, maybe.. since he has nvidia, there's a chance.. i never tried tat.
[04:10] <trism> KM0201: I have, it works with my nvidia card, just depends on if it works with his
[04:11] <KM0201> izinucs, but its ok now... converted the ogg to .wav, tones are playing, and all is good w/ the worlld.
[04:11] <KM0201> trism, on the live cd.. or on an install?  i think thats the thing, is izinucs wants to do this on a live cd.
[04:11] <trism> KM0201: live cd
[04:11] <izinucs> trism: what card do you have?
[04:11] <KM0201> trism, ah ok
[04:12] <trism> izinucs: 6800 (so old)
[04:12]  * KM0201 has a 7xx on his desktop, but I've not tried 11.04 on it yet.
[04:12] <Breetai> "Additional Drivers" is crashing. How can I fix that OR manually install the nvidia drivers?
[04:12] <izinucs> trism: I still have an AGP 6600 :) .. weird that my 8400 isn't working
[04:13] <KM0201> izinucs, it'll work, its just not likely to work on the live CD...
[04:13] <bjsnider> Breetai, sudo kockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[04:13] <bjsnider> jockey-text should be
[04:13] <trism> izinucs: it might, but you need libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental which isn't on the cd, so you need to get it somewhere else
[04:13] <KM0201> if you install, and install the restricted driver for Nvidia, enabling 3D support, unity should work just fine
[04:14] <Breetai> I am getting all kinds of python errors with jockey-text
[04:14] <izinucs> trism: I can go to packages.ubuntu.com and grab it but is it a .deb?
[04:14] <Breetai> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program /lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper: Success
[04:14] <trism> izinucs: yes, all the deps are there too, just need that package
[04:16] <izinucs> trism: directory for natty is empty.. is there another for the dev channel?
[04:16] <SMG1> hello, can anyone help me, "My Computer" does not open when clicked and no drives show up on the left pane of windows, but they show up in gparted and disk utility.
[04:17] <trism> izinucs: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[04:17] <izinucs> trism: now it opens :/
[04:19] <izinucs> trism: once loaded how do I activte it?  cli and type unity?
[04:19] <trism> izinucs: I just log out then back in...may need to give the ubuntu user a password first so you can get back in...I think it is supposed to be ubuntu but never seems to work for me
[04:21] <izinucs> trism: ok.. installed.. brb
[04:21] <pelmen> Guys, anyone has an idea on how to change gnome-shell or mutter themes ?
[04:22] <izinucs> trism: there's no logout option on the menu of the live cd.. do you kow what the command is for cli?
[04:22] <roknir> i want to try out unity and ubuntu 11.04 in virtualbox, but i'm not having much luck.  i have 3d acceleration turned on for the VM and i have all of the virtualbox-guest packages installed, but when i log into ubuntu, i just see the wallpaper and nothing more.  any ideas?
[04:22] <izinucs> roknir: won't work there.
[04:22] <roknir> izinucs: why not?
[04:23] <KM0201> roknir, my idea... goat blood, a 4 leaf clover, 2 cloves of garlic, bring to a boil, and pour it on your PC.. then try again
[04:23] <trism> izinucs: there isn't? was there before: gnome-session-save --logout; I think
[04:23] <roknir> ...
[04:23] <KM0201> roknir, in other words.. not gonna happen.. :)
[04:24] <izinucs> trism: ok
[04:24] <izinucs> roknir: not sure.. I'm even having issues getting it to work on a live cd.. but at the final stages of testing a fix.
[04:26] <sly> Anyone know what would cause USB ports to not work on Natty? Inspiron 1546
[04:27] <izinucs> Mission control we have launch!  ... except compiz crashed while loading irssi
[04:29] <izinucs> trism: thanks.. working.. now, how about "spaces"? How do I find that and use?
[04:29] <trism> izinucs: spaces?
[04:30] <KM0201> workspaces?
[04:30] <izinucs> trism: I guess it's the new implementation of workspaces
[04:30] <izinucs> KM0201: yea.. little different than previous releases I understand
[04:30] <KM0201> izinucs, not really, just click the workspaces, and choose one... i don't know how to have more than 4 at this point.
[04:31] <trism> the option for the number of workspaces is in ccsm in the general options
[04:31] <KM0201> trism, oh ok.
[04:31] <izinucs> KM0201: where do I find them? I don't see the typical 4 boxes anywhere
[04:31] <KM0201> izinucs, they're usually in the panel on the left....
[04:32] <sly> http://pastebin.com/EPn87BBU
[04:32] <KM0201> izinucs, are you in normal gnome, or under unity?
[04:32] <izinucs> KM0201: ah ok.. just not use to the icons yet.. I found that ctrl+alt+arrows still works
[04:32] <izinucs> KM0201: unity
[04:33] <izinucs> Any way to make the icons smaller?
[04:33] <rww> izinucs: same place as the workspace number change in CCSM
[04:33] <KM0201> izinucs, dunno, i've not really messed w/ tweaking itto much
[04:33] <KM0201> rww, i can't find that option under ccsm
[04:34] <izinucs> rww: thanks..
[04:35] <rww> "launcher icon size"...?
[04:35] <rww> unless you mean different icons
[04:35] <izinucs> anyone remember the track pad issue/fix so that when typing you can't accidently touch the pad and change something?  there was something in the past that would "sense" that and disable or delay the touch pad
[04:36] <elb0w_> So I installed 11.04 beta 2 and after it loads all I get is a black screen with a X crosshair
[04:36] <izinucs> rww: no just the ones on the left of the unity screen
[04:36] <elb0w_> any ideas?
[04:36] <KM0201> rww, where did you say to adjust the number of workspaces?
[04:36] <rww> oh, I'm silly, they're different places.
[04:37] <rww> Launcher icon size is in CCSM -> Ubuntu Unity Plugin -> Experimental
[04:38] <reivanen> KM0201, ccsm / general
[04:40] <KM0201> reivanen, i looked there, but i don't see an option for more workspaces
[04:40] <seminatty> hey you guys
[04:40] <reivanen> third tab
[04:40] <reivanen> or is workspaces different from desktops?
[04:40] <seminatty> did the dude who wanted to install to his usb end up successful?
[04:40] <izinucs> rww: was lucid 10.04? I've forgotten.. I went to install and it's offering me the option of upgrading from 10.04 to 11.04
[04:40] <rww> izinucs: lucid was 10.04, yes
[04:41] <seminatty> what kind of animal was lucid?
[04:41] <izinucs> rww: does that mean 11.04 is lts?
[04:41] <rww> seminatty: lynx
[04:41] <izinucs> seminatty: lynx
[04:41] <rww> izinucs: 11.04 isn't an LTS.
[04:41] <seminatty> thanks
[04:41] <KM0201> reivanen, different... that doesn't work
[04:41] <rww> you shouldn't be able to upgrade straight from 10.04 to 11.04 :\
[04:41] <seminatty> If you installed 11.04 overtop of 10.04, would it detect your home drive and keep your documents and settings
[04:41] <seminatty> ?
[04:41] <izinucs> rww: didn't think so.. but this seems to be the first time you're able to upgrade direct from lts to another non-lts
[04:43] <rww> seminatty: theoretically, though I'd make backups personally
[04:43] <Logan_> ^
[04:43] <Logan_> always back up before major upgrades
[04:43] <seminatty> yeah that sounds like a good idea
[04:43] <rww> izinucs: as far as I'm aware, upgrading 10.04 directly to 11.04 isn't a supported action, regardless of whether it's claiming to be able to for some reason o.O
[04:44] <rww> maybe I'm wrong. it's happened before ;)
[04:44] <izinucs> rww: I've never had much upgrade success anyway.. that's why I have a separate /home for fresh installs.
[04:44] <seminatty> because my desktop computer at my parents house has had ubuntu since dapper... and I think some of my, er, more unorthodox tinkerings around have made it more unstable than necessary. So I'm thinking of just straight up reinstalling.
[04:47] <knightautwell> hey is anyone here?
[04:47] <knightautwell> anyone here?
[04:47] <pace_t_zulu_> how do i get the 2d implementation of unity rather than gnome classic?
[04:47] <izinucs> knightautwell: yes
[04:47]  * seminatty tumbleweeds
[04:48] <pace_t_zulu_> sup knightautwell
[04:48] <pace_t_zulu_> anyone know how to get 2d unity?
[04:48] <izinucs> pace_t_zulu_: gnome classic is 2d.. unity is 3d
[04:48] <KM0201> pace_t_zulu_, i don't think its available yet.
[04:48] <pace_t_zulu_> there is a version that puts the menubar on the top panel for terminal
[04:49] <seminatty> where are unity's real settings located?
[04:49] <seminatty> and what can you change in them
[04:49] <KM0201> seminatty, you probably need to install ccsm to really change anything
[04:49] <knightautwell> ok lol i have a question i installed Slim to change the ubuntu natty login screen and i didnt like it so i deleted it from the folder instead of uninstalling it by accident and now i cant boot to my desktop
[04:49] <KM0201> but i still can't change the number of workspaces
[04:49] <KM0201> knightautwell, lol
[04:49] <knightautwell> how do i fix it? i can boot to the desktop using the live cd i have
[04:50] <rww> pace_t_zulu_: investigate the unity-2d packages in natty's repositories
[04:50] <KM0201> knightautwell, u see the "Install" icon on the desktop?  Rename it "Reinstall" and click it.. :)
[04:50] <knightautwell> im not sure how to fix it lol
[04:50] <rww> I haven't myself, but presumably they have something to do with it ;)
[04:50] <pace_t_zulu_> i see how its done... it's a panel applet now
[04:50] <knightautwell> but would i lose all the things i have installed tho?
[04:51] <Superstar> Has anyone experienced problems openning the date/time after an installation?
[04:51] <pace_t_zulu_> or objects rather
[04:52] <knightautwell> that it no longer has
[04:52] <knightautwell> how do i reset the theme settings in ubuntu? thats my problem it tries to load the theme from slim
[04:52] <KM0201> Superstar, negative
[04:52] <elb0w_> Anyone had the issue of a black screen after a install?
[04:52] <elb0w_> I just have a mouse cursor that looks like an X and a black screen
[04:52] <Superstar> Any recommendations on getting back date/time?
[04:52] <KM0201> knightautwell, well of course you would lose all the things you already had... you installed a 3rd party app that borked your system... use more caution in selecting 3rd party apps next time
[04:53] <seminatty> KM0201: thanks for the tip
[04:53] <knightautwell> is there a way to fix the theme problem? like a way to reset it?
[04:53] <KM0201> not that i know of.
[04:54] <Superstar> And how do I turn off all this animation crap? There's no options in "Appearance" like there was in Maverick
[04:54] <knightautwell> where it doesnt look for the theme in the slim folder?
[04:55] <knightautwell> so there isnt?
[04:56] <KM0201> knightautwell, again, you installed a 3rd party app.. that bricked your system.. this is similar to everyone who hosed their system downloading that Mac OSX theme script back in the day.. it sucks, but thats the way it is.. unless there were uninstall instructions that came with it, that you can run from a shell.. you're likely hosed
[04:57] <KM0201> where did you download it from?
[04:57] <Superstar> You know the menu bar in applications such as "File", "Edit" etc.. is there any way to get it to show without using the keyboard or maximizing the window?
[04:57] <seminatty> Superstar: move your mouse to it
[04:57] <KM0201> Superstar, click on a window  then move your cursor tot he top "panel".. and you'll see the menu there
[04:57] <rww> Stevethepirate: hover over the window title
[04:57] <Superstar> KM0201 ahh yes thanks love
[04:58] <KM0201> uh... lol, i hope you're a chick
[04:58] <rww> Stevethepirate: sorry, I fail at tabcomplete.
[04:58] <Strav> Hi. Anyone here have tried emacs23 on ubuntu natty?
[04:58] <Superstar> Gwibber is useless, it never shows Facebook inbox messages
[04:58] <Strav> (or gnome 3 for that matter)
[04:58] <Superstar> KM0201 I am indeed
[04:58] <KM0201> ok, good..lol
[04:58] <knightautwell> there is an uninstall instructions but how would i run it if i am not actually in my system just in the live cd environment. would it work the same?
[04:58] <Strav> ... natty beta 2 must I say.
[04:59] <seminatty> if you are what they say you are, a Superstar, then have no feeaar
[04:59] <KM0201> knightautwell, you could probably run it by booting safe mode.. but that is strictly a guess.... cd to wherever the removal tool is, run it, then reboot back to normal mode, and see if that fixes it
[04:59] <KM0201> knightautwell, or, if you can get to a login window
[05:00] <KM0201> just logout to a shell... and run the uninstall script from there
[05:00] <elb0w_> One last time, has anyone had this issue with 11.04 where after you install its just a black screen?
[05:01] <seminatty> elb0w_: afaik, that usually means X can't detect your video hardware for some reason
[05:01] <KM0201> elb0w_, not that i've heard....
[05:01] <elb0w_> Weird.
[05:01] <seminatty> elb0w_: especially that part with the X cursor
[05:01] <seminatty> did you do anything to change with your xorg.conf?
[05:01] <elb0w_> default everything
[05:02] <elb0w_> install updates and 3rd party software
[05:02] <knightautwell> i cant get to a log in thats the problem
[05:02] <elb0w_> when i did it
[05:02] <KM0201> knightautwell, you don't need to log in
[05:02] <elb0w_> maybe i should go to root shell and try to install the driver manually?
[05:02] <KM0201> do you have another computer?
[05:02] <KM0201> or something you can come here on?
[05:03] <izinucs> anyone test eee1394 firewire interfaces?  for 2 releases I haven't been able to grab video from my cam
[05:04] <knightautwell> i cant even get to  the log in screen
[05:05] <KM0201> knightautwell, oh i thought you were getting tot he log in screen
[05:06] <KM0201> knightautwell, well, maybe try to boot recovery mode, and go to the user prompt, log in there, and then run the uninstall script.
[05:06] <KM0201> but you're going to have to know the scripts location, etc.
[05:06] <seminatty> elb0w_: it might be worth it to wait for natty's release, in case it's a temporary bug
[05:06]  * KM0201 thinks knightautwell is gonna learn his lesson about downloading these 3rd party apps
[05:07] <elb0w_> hmm
[05:07] <seminatty> elb0w_: does your hardware work in 10.04 or 10.10?
[05:07] <knightautwell> no when i try recovery mode it says the same thing it cant load the theme. is there a conf file i can edit so that it doesnt look for that theme?
[05:07] <KM0201> knightautwell, recovery mode is CLI.. it shouldn't need a theme
[05:08] <elb0w_> I did not try it
[05:08] <knightautwell> i know lol
[05:08] <KM0201> knightautwell, then how is a theme effecting it?
[05:08] <elb0w_> Yeah, I ran in failsafe X
[05:08] <elb0w_> says could not detect gfx
[05:09] <knightautwell> it will take me to the screen where i can choose like from a list of things and when i press the down key it goes wack
[05:09] <knightautwell> and it says something about the theme
[05:10] <elb0w_> what is the nvidia driver name?
[05:10] <elb0w_> is there a standard?
[05:10] <KM0201> knightautwell, well, that makes no sense at all.
[05:12] <elb0w_> well thats lame, why wouldnt it detect my nvidia card
[05:12] <elb0w_> it has nvidia-current installed too
[05:13] <KM0201> knightautwell, are you there
[05:15] <seminatty> elb0w_: check the supported hardware list to double check your card is on there
[05:15] <elb0w_> hmm
[05:15] <elb0w_> I think im getting somewhere
[05:16] <elb0w_> I have a wallpaper
[05:16] <elb0w_> lol.
[05:16] <elb0w_> and a normal mouse
[05:16] <KM0201> lol
[05:16] <seminatty> hehe
[05:16] <seminatty> are you using VESA?
[05:17] <seminatty> !nvidia | elb0w_ you can always look here for your card
[05:17] <elb0w_> I installed a package
[05:17] <elb0w_> how do I stop x?
[05:17] <elb0w_> I thought it was just xstop
[05:18] <seminatty> was that other guy here a few days ago ever successful in installing natty to his usb drive?
[05:21] <c2tarun> I am facing a very serious problem with natty. anyone here.
[05:21] <c2tarun> Previous releases like lucid and maverick never detected my wifi driver. Natty detected, but when it starts it tries to connect to the wifi connection available and then I get a black screen with many things written on it.( Can't understand them ) and then screen freezes :/
[05:21] <c2tarun> Now I switched of my wifi and using the same connection with wire and installing the broadcom driver. Lets see if this works or not. I am facing this problem with Beta1 as well as Beta2 64-bit
[05:21] <elb0w_> hmm, so if I go into a root shell. I can type startx and get a desktop
[05:21] <elb0w_> but if I boot normal it just black screens
[05:21] <c2tarun> it didnt work :(
[05:22] <izinucs> installed... rebooting.. if it works I'll be back
[05:23] <c2tarun> elb0w_: ping can you please help me with my problem?
[05:23] <cryptk> ok... I always forget this one...
[05:23] <elb0w_> im having issues of my own
[05:23] <cryptk> !timeline
[05:23] <elb0w_> sorry
[05:23] <KM0201> !isitoutyet
[05:23] <cryptk> that's not it...
[05:24] <seminatty> !wifi | c2tarun
[05:24] <cryptk> not that one... the one that has the link to the schedule
[05:24] <seminatty> !release ?
[05:24] <KM0201> lol
[05:24] <KM0201> !release
[05:24] <seminatty> also /topic
[05:25] <rww> !schedule
[05:25] <c2tarun> seminatty: that doc is for maverick, wifi was working fine with maverick its freezing with natty
[05:25] <seminatty> oh, thought you said it wasn't even detected in the other two
[05:25] <cryptk> rww, that's the one! thanks man!
[05:26] <elb0w_> is there no hotkeys to go into different sessions anymore?
[05:26] <elb0w_> didnt it used to be like f1-6?
[05:26] <c2tarun> seminatty: in the other two on going into additional driver I was getting Broadcom Driver and I used that. Natty detected my wifi but network manager is freezing while conection :/
[05:27] <cryptk> el2ro, ctrl + F1-F6
[05:27] <c2tarun> seminatty: is it possible that I disable my kde network manager for a while and use some other network manager?
[05:29] <izinucs> everything looks good.. but I got a message saying my system wouldn't work right without installing the restricted video drivers (nvidia).. strange message
[05:29] <seminatty> c2tarun: you could try using wicd. I'm by no means an expert :p
[05:31] <seminatty> My Question: is there any particular things to watchout for when installing natty to a USB Drive instead of a hard disk partition?
[05:32] <KM0201> seminatty, well that depends, where do you want grub installed?
[05:32] <seminatty> elb0w_: ctrl-alt-f1 through f6
[05:32] <KM0201> if you want grub installed to the USB also, then you need to pay attention to that
[05:32] <elb0w_> tried
[05:32] <seminatty> KM0201: on the usb probably
[05:32] <elb0w_> didnt go
[05:32] <KM0201> seminatty, then thats something you need to pay attention to.
[05:32] <seminatty> elb0w_: works for me unless the computer is crashed
[05:33] <seminatty> KM0201: the installer asks about that right?
[05:33] <KM0201> seminatty, if you use the "advanced" partition tool, and manually partition your thumb driev for the install, you can set the thumb drive as your target for grub (i believe its an option at the bottom)
[05:33] <KM0201> i'm not sure if you can do that w/ the "guided" tool
[05:34] <seminatty> KM0201: gotcha
[05:34] <seminatty> what fs is best for installing natty on a usb -- ext3, 4, fat32?
[05:35] <seminatty> no one seems to use reiserfs much these days
[05:36] <KM0201> seminatty, i'd just use ext4, and be done w/ it.
[05:38] <seminatty> gotcha
[05:38]  * seminatty reports bug with touchpad scrolling not working correctly
[05:38] <rayautwell> hey how do you delete a file from a specific directory using the terminal?
[05:38]  * KM0201 deletes seminatty 's bug report
[05:39]  * seminatty retaliates by deleting KM0201
[05:39] <KM0201> :)
[05:39] <roknir> rayautwell: rm /path/to/file
[05:39] <seminatty> rayautwell: the command is "rm"
[05:39] <seminatty> rayautwell: try "man rm" to learn how to use it
[05:39] <izinucs> KM0201: were did you say the location of the icon size adjustment was?  I've installed ccsm but didn't see anything there
[05:39] <KM0201> oh izi... hang on..lol
[05:40] <KM0201> izinucs, open compiz config manager
[05:40] <KM0201> click on the "unity plugin"
[05:40] <izinucs> ah.. ok
[05:40] <KM0201> on the "Experimental" tab..
[05:40] <KM0201> "Launcher Icon size" adjust as needed
[05:42] <seminatty> i sleep now
[05:42] <seminatty> goodnight
[05:43] <izinucs> KM0201: got it.. to bad it only goes to 32 and not smaller
[05:43] <KM0201> izinucs, well, i can't change that.. :)
[05:44] <izinucs> KM0201: LOL.. someone will figure a tweek :)
[05:45] <KM0201> izinucs, probably..lol
[05:47] <KM0201> izinucs, it'll be a new feature in the next version of ubuntu-twak
[05:47] <KM0201> *tweak
[05:48] <izinucs> KM0201: ok.. 'nother question.. is there an option to take two windows and have them automically fill the screen evenly side to side?
[05:48] <KM0201> izinucs, no that i don't know.. i don't mess w/ compiz that much..
[06:02] <bullgard4> At boot time my Natty writes: "Stopping save kernel messages." Where did it save the kernel messages before?
[06:04] <SwedeMike>  /var/log/dmesg ?
[06:15] <bullgard4> SwedeMike: /var/log/dmesg is filled independently of this message. There must be some other mechanism this message is referring to.
[06:18] <buzzomatic_> Hi, I'm getting really poor network performance out of my gigabit network. It was working really well last night, but this morning it's 2MB/s transfers when it doesn't just stall completely
[06:18] <buzzomatic_> Can anyone help find the problem?
[06:19] <buzzomatic_> Both machines are synced at 1000Mb/s
[06:21] <buzzomatic_> If I ping the ubuntu box, then I get at least one message per 20 successful pings: Request timeout for icmp_seq 25
[06:22] <buzzomatic_> About 6% packet loss
[06:22] <buzzomatic_> Actually, more like 10
[06:24] <bullgard4>  buzzomatic_ May be iotop will help you.
[06:26] <KM0201> knightautwell, did you get it fixed?
[06:28] <knightautwell> not yet i think i might have an idea how to tho
[06:29] <KM0201> and that is?
[06:29] <KM0201> cuz i got one to
[06:30] <knightautwell> got what too
[06:30] <KM0201> an idea
[06:30] <KM0201> lol
[06:31] <bullgard4> Zur Bootzeit schreibt mein Natty: "Stopping save kernel messages."  I now have 50MB/s+ again
[06:34] <KM0201> http://karuppuswamy.com/wordpress/2010/06/02/how-to-chroot-to-ubuntu-using-live-cd-to-fix-grub-rescue-prompt/
[06:35] <KM0201> follow the instructions to chroot the drive (not the grub rescue, etc..)
[06:35] <KM0201> just chroot the drive, then run whatever the uninstall command for that program you installed is.
[06:35] <buzzomatic_> It's just a huge pain to get the ethernet cable out of the back of this iMac.
[06:35] <buzzomatic_> It's just a huge pain .... this iMac.
[06:35] <knightautwell> ok ill try it
[07:01] <pooltable> beta 2 out what the difference from the finnel if there is one ?
[07:02] <KM0201> pooltable, as long as you keep your system up to date, when the final is released, your system will be just like the final release
[07:02] <pooltable> km0201 thanks
[07:22] <litropy> During safe-upgrade, how are packages chosen to be /recommended/ as opposed to /safe to install/? This time around my recommended pckgs are: lintian ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk unity-place-applications unity-place-files.
[07:24] <bhavesh> Will upgrading to 11.04 create a new partition or replace the current ubutnu?
[07:24] <bhavesh> ubuntu*
[07:27] <Strav> Hi. Any emacs users around?
[07:27] <metroid1> is anyone trying out xubuntu with a nvidia card?  can't seem to open nvidia-settings to set up twinview.
[07:28] <pooltable> strav use emacs a long time ago but might help
[07:29] <sly> Anyone here?
[07:30] <pooltable> here
[07:30] <sly> http://pastebin.com/EPn87BBU
[07:30] <sly> Know any fix to that?
[07:30] <sly> None of my USB ports are working.
[07:30] <Strav> I just upgraded from ubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 beta 2. In emacs23, some part of the menu that are dynamically created by a mode hook either don't show or are empty. I tested this behavior in both unity enabled and in plain gnome. So this makes me wonder if it's either an emacs or gnome bug. (atm, no one in the emacs channel seems to care).
[07:31] <pooltable> sly  i  see is the a usb hub or the usb on the montherboard?
[07:31] <sly> It's the USB ports on the motherboard.
[07:31] <sly> There's only 3, but none of them do anything.
[07:31] <sly> Which is a pain, since my mouse is USB.
[07:32] <sly> Having to use my touchpad.
[07:32] <bhavesh> I am going to replace my ubuntu 10.10 with 11.04 will this delete other partitions?
[07:32] <bhavesh> like windows 7?
[07:32] <pooltable> sly a laptop?
[07:32] <sly> Indeed.
[07:32] <bhavesh> I read something here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1730186 and I am too scared to do so
[07:32] <Strav> bhavesh: it depends on how you wish to "replace" it.
[07:32] <pooltable> sly how old?
[07:33] <Strav> bhavesh: a normal upgrade shouldn't affect your partition of course.
[07:33] <sly> It's not that old.
[07:33] <bhavesh> Strav: ok
[07:33] <KM0201> bhavesh, you can set it up to do whatever you want
[07:33] <bhavesh> ok
[07:33] <KM0201> bhavesh, are you "wanting" to delete 10.10, and install 11.04 over it?
[07:33] <pooltable> starv 11.4 is beta is might be a bug not yet work out
[07:33] <Strav> Before submitting this emacs bug, if someone could reproduce it, it'll be appreciated.
[07:33] <bhavesh> KM0201: yes
[07:34] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok, start the installer, and when you get to the partition stage, lemme know (but dont choose anything)
[07:34] <pooltable> sly how long has it not work?
[07:34] <Strav> pooltable: yes I've assumed so and I'm actually enquiring about it to help out if it hasn't been reported yet.
[07:34] <sly> They haven't worked since using 11.04.
[07:34] <knight_> hey kmo201 i finally got it fixed
[07:34] <bullgard4> buzzomatic_: That's a solution one should consider now and then. But an engineer usually looks for a systmatic approach. --  Glad that you made it.
[07:35] <sly> It's not a port issue, as they work perfectly in Fedora 14.
[07:35] <KM0201> knight_, did you?.. what did you do? (sorry, was playign tetris and lost track of the chat)
[07:35] <pooltable> sly did you have 10.10 and did it work ?
[07:35] <knight_> ya not really sure how tho lol i kept installing and reinstalling slim and i moved over a few folders from my live disc and it worked lol
[07:36] <sly> I didn't try it on 10.10.
[07:36] <KM0201> knight_, well, take it as a lesson..
[07:36] <pooltable> sly i see might be a usb driver update you need from a third party
[07:36] <knight_> lol no kiddind
[07:36] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok I am still downloading
[07:36] <knight_> kidding
[07:36] <KM0201> gotta be cautious about that stuff you download.
[07:36] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok.
[07:36] <KM0201> bhavesh, are yo on ubuntu right now?
[07:36] <knight_> lol well i read it was a good one
[07:36] <sly> Where would I find such a driver for Linux?
[07:36] <pooltable> sly 11.4 is still new
[07:36] <bhavesh> KMo201: yes
[07:37] <KM0201> bhavesh, do you know your current partition set up?
[07:37] <knight_> so is the final going to be realesed this month or next?
[07:37] <bhavesh> KM0201: not really letme see whats there in gparted
[07:37] <Strav> argh. I'll just write the bug and let'em deduplicate it.
[07:37] <sly> pooltable: As knight_ just said, it's supposed to be released on the 28th (if I'm not mistaken).
[07:37] <KM0201> !isitoutyet | knight_
[07:37] <sly> So it's not _that_ new.
[07:38] <knight_> i know lol i was wandering if it was going to be out this month like i ehard gnomefreak say
[07:38] <KM0201> knight_, yes... "11.04" (11th year, 4th month)
[07:38] <KM0201> you can always tell when an ubuntu release was released, by the version #
[07:38] <knight_> lol ok
[07:38] <bhavesh> WOW I cannot find gparted
[07:39] <KM0201> knight_, so pop quiz, when will 11.10 be released
[07:39] <knight_> you running a live cd?
[07:39] <KM0201> when was 8.04 released?
[07:39] <knight_> october lol
[07:39] <bhavesh> right I dont have gparted
[07:40] <KM0201> bhavesh, you're on a live CD? why are you downloading another one?
[07:40] <bhavesh> KM0201: No I am not on live CD
[07:40] <KM0201> oh ok
[07:40] <KM0201> wel,l sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:40] <bhavesh> KM0201: I am on an installed ubutnu 10.10 with no gparted
[07:40] <knight_> so your using ubuntu?
[07:40] <KM0201> gotcha.
[07:40] <KM0201> knight_, gparted wasn't on 10.10 by default
[07:40] <wrefdsfds> hi
[07:40] <wrefdsfds> question
[07:40] <KM0201> had to be installed afterwords
[07:40] <bhavesh> KM0201: it tells cannot install becoz of that upgrade already downloading stuff
[07:40] <knight_> oh lol that doesnt have gpated you have to install it
[07:41] <KM0201> bhavesh, oh ok.
[07:41] <wrefdsfds> hi
[07:41] <wrefdsfds> i have a question
[07:41] <bhavesh> KM0201: so what about my partitions...?
[07:41] <KM0201> bhavesh, so why are you upgrading, if you're going to do a clean install?
[07:41] <bhavesh> KM0201: I still want windows 7 but not ubuntu 10.10
[07:42] <bhavesh> KM0201: replacing ubutnu 10.10 with 11.04 keeping windows 7
[07:42] <pooltable> sly yes 28 apr
[07:42] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok.. why are yo upgrading 10.10( presumably to 11.04) if you're asking how to clean install 11.04
[07:42] <knight_> wrefdsfds, whats your question
[07:42] <picca> anyone find that autofs doesn't work in ubuntu 11.04 unless you restart it
[07:42] <sly> Yes, I know.
[07:42] <wrefdsfds> knight_ my quesiton is i need helpp
[07:42] <wrefdsfds> p
[07:42] <pooltable> like to see 11.10 at 11.11.11
[07:42] <sly> I still need to find a solution to my problem, though.
[07:42] <KM0201> bhavesh, you might not be able to run this w/ update manager running, but try this in a terminal   "sudo fdisk -l" (lowercase L)
[07:42] <knight_> with what?
[07:43] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, well, this isn't the mind readers channel, you have to ask questinos
[07:43] <bhavesh> k
[07:43] <pooltable> 8.04= 2008 apr
[07:43] <KM0201> sabrina's psychic network is the next room over
[07:43] <KM0201> pooltable, boy you're a sharp one.. :)
[07:43] <wrefdsfds> ok
[07:43] <KM0201> pooltable, 4.10
[07:43] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok so I got all my partition info
[07:43] <KM0201> whast it say
[07:43] <wrefdsfds> well i wanted to ask if you, as far as seen, like the NEW ubuntu 11.04 ?? or not quite
[07:43] <pooltable> 2004 oct
[07:44] <KM0201> pooltable, you're an animal
[07:44] <KM0201> lol
[07:44] <bhavesh> KM0201: sda2 **
[07:44] <bhavesh> KM0201: boot is on sda1
[07:44] <knight_> i like it but when i run it my wine acts up bad and my graphics card wiggs out
[07:44] <KM0201> bhavesh, just pastebin the output...
[07:44] <KM0201> !pastebin | bhavesh
[07:44] <knight_> so i have to use classic with no effects
[07:44] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok
[07:44] <wrefdsfds> !pastebin
[07:45] <KM0201> i'm actually really digging 11.04
[07:45] <bhavesh> KM0201: here http://paste.ubuntu.com/594737/
[07:45] <wrefdsfds> well i wanted to ask if you, as far as seen, like the ubuntu11.04? or not quite
[07:45] <KM0201> what the.
[07:45] <bhavesh> ?
[07:45] <knight_> i like it its just my graphics card must not lol
[07:45] <KM0201> dude, no offense, that is one of the most jacked up partition setups i'vce ever saw
[07:45] <KM0201> you have 4 swap partitions
[07:45] <KM0201> lol
[07:46] <knight_> how big of a hdd does he have lol
[07:46] <bhavesh> jacked up?
[07:46] <KM0201> bhavesh, yeah, its a little jacked up
[07:46] <KM0201> lol, thats a first i've saw of that.. how on earth did you manage that?
[07:46] <bhavesh> lol so is it something wrong?
[07:46] <wrefdsfds> well i wanted to ask if you, as far as seen, like the ubuntu11.04? or not quite
[07:46] <KM0201> bhavesh, well... i wouldn't say "wrong" but totally unfreaking necessary...lol
[07:47] <bhavesh> lol.... what am I supposed to do?
[07:47] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, your question doesn't make sense
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> why
[07:47] <KM0201> bhavesh, just finish the download, download the 11.04 ISO, and then we'll fix it.
[07:47] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, not quite what?
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> oh i meant
[07:47] <bhavesh> ok I am doing that through update-manager -d btw
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> do you like ubuntu 11.04 or do you think is more shit
[07:47] <knight_> wrefdsfds_ i like it but it makes wine and my graphics card flicker when i use win or try to play the tetris like games
[07:47] <KM0201> wrefdsfds, i like it.
[07:47] <wrefdsfds> me 2
[07:48] <picca> wrefdsfds, more shit than what/
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> than Ubuntu 10.10
[07:48] <KM0201> if you want crap, try PCLinuxOS
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> or 10 04
[07:48] <bazhang> watch the language wrefdsfds picca
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> yes this is crap i tested it
[07:48] <picca> wrefdsfds, you think ubuntu 10.10 is shit?
[07:48] <KM0201> ah, 10.04 was good, so was 10.10 for that matter
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> Nooo
[07:48] <bhavesh> KM0201: it would directly install it (im not downloading the .iso)
[07:48] <wrefdsfds> Ubuntu 10.10 is very very veryyy  good
[07:48] <KM0201> bhavesh, i have no idea what on earth your'e doing...
[07:49] <KM0201> all i knhow, is you ahve an amazing partition set up.
[07:49] <picca> wrefdsfds, just that you said the word "more"
[07:49] <wrefdsfds> and i wanted to ask if you find that ubuntu is more bad or more good than ubuntu 10.10
[07:49] <KM0201> i've never saw someone w/ 4 wap partitions before
[07:49] <bhavesh> KM0201: lol I am just upgrading to 11.04 from my 10.10 through update-manager -d
[07:49] <wrefdsfds> but couldnt express because i have bad enlgish :D
[07:49] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok.. so why are you concerned about reinstall 11.04?
[07:49] <KM0201> which is what you asked earlier.
[07:49] <KM0201> of course w/ that partition set up, you might be reinstalling
[07:50] <bhavesh> KM0201: I am not reinstalling 11.04.... I am just replacing 10.10
[07:50] <bhavesh> ok let me download first
[07:50]  * KM0201 sighs...
[07:50] <KM0201> does anyone ever feel like they are talking, just to hear themselves?
[07:50] <pooltable> sly are you still here?
[07:50] <sly> Yes.
[07:50] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[07:51] <pooltable> sly look at this i think this is the problem http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci:4397:1002-USB
[07:51]  * KM0201 has to go tinkle.. brb
[07:53]  * KM0201 back
[07:53] <pooltable> is there a way to installed 11.4 then go back to 10.10 ?
[07:53] <sly> Okay?
[07:53] <KM0201> my eyes were turning yellow
[07:53] <sly> I don't want to go back to 10.10.
[07:53] <KM0201> pooltable, not that i know of...
[07:53] <SwedeMike> pooltable: no, you have to re-install.
[07:53] <KM0201> pooltable, why would you want to do that.
[07:54] <pooltable> km0201 are you getting tires ?
[07:54] <KM0201> pooltable, no, not at all.
[07:54] <KM0201> why?
[07:54] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[07:54] <cryptk> pooltable, downgrades have never been supported... it is possible, but only if you have in depth knowledge of a linux OS
[07:54] <pooltable> km0201 so if i like to try 10.4 now use a VW?
[07:54] <pooltable> 11.4
[07:54] <KM0201> pooltable, yeah, you could use a VM if you wanted to do that.
[07:54] <pooltable> sorry
[07:55] <bhavesh> KM0201: In short this is what I am doing : http://imagebin.org/148506 (I just want to keep my windows 7 safe) pic is worth a 1000 words <<
[07:55] <KM0201> pooltable, 11.04 doesn't work well in VM,
[07:55] <pooltable> kn0201 i sure
[07:55] <pooltable> i am sure
[07:55] <KM0201> bhavesh, image doesn't work
[07:55] <bhavesh> KM0201: ill reupload it to imgur.....
[07:56] <KM0201> pooltable, well, 11.04 doesn't work in a virtual manager... or at least thast what i've read, i've not tried it
[07:56] <pooltable> not to go off topic what about windows 8 ?"
[07:56] <KM0201> Windows 8 is approved for use by Japans Nuclear Power plants
[07:56] <pooltable> kn0201 i wait to 28 apr 2011 then
[07:56] <KM0201> pooltable, you could do that.
[07:57] <bhavesh> KM0201: http://i.imgur.com/FxZ8w.jpg
[07:57] <KM0201> bhavesh, ok, so you're running a distribution upgrade
[07:57] <bhavesh> KM0201: yes..
[07:57] <KM0201> ... when you're done, you should have 11.04
[07:58] <KM0201> assuming all goes well
[07:58] <bhavesh> KM0201: all I want to care about is, keeping windows 7 safe
[07:58] <pooltable> bhavesh how you get the temp on your top bar ?
[07:58] <KM0201> bhavesh, well you should have asked your questions before upgrading then... but most likely, windows will be fine..
[07:58] <bhavesh> KM0201: ok
[07:58] <bhavesh> pooltable: add to panel...
[07:59] <bhavesh> pooltable: its in there
[07:59] <bhavesh> pooltable: weather report
[08:00] <KM0201> i kept mine really basic
[08:00] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[08:00] <KM0201> http://imagebin.org/148507
[08:00] <pooltable> bhavesh not working i will try again
[08:00] <bullgard4> ~/.config/autostart with me includes only  .desktop files. Is this normal?
[08:01] <bullgard4> ~/.config/autostart with me includes only 7 .desktop files. Is this normal?
[08:01] <cryptk> no need to repeat yourself
[08:01] <bhavesh> looks great KM0201
[08:01] <cryptk> and yes
[08:01] <bhavesh> did u like 10.10 ? or 11.04 is better?
[08:01] <KM0201> i still miss some of my panel applets though... mainly, force quit and system monitor.. gotta do something about that eventually
[08:01] <pooltable> bhavesh  got it thanks
[08:02] <bhavesh> and it looks like u are running a netbook?
[08:02] <KM0201> bhavesh, i liked 10.10, but i also like 11.04.. i'm getting used to Unity.. which i didn't like at all at first, but i decided to at least try it.. now i like it.
[08:02] <KM0201> bhavesh, no, running a normal laptop (17in screen)
[08:02] <KM0201> just running unity
[08:02] <bhavesh> KM0201: err 11.10 will have gnome 3
[08:02] <pooltable> what about gnome 3 what it be the main one ?
[08:03] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, if ubuntu has a gnome 3, that is anything like the gnome 3 that bricked my setup yesterday, then me and ubuntu will part ways in october
[08:03] <bhavesh> in 11.10 GNOME3 will be the desktop environment
[08:03] <anthony_2409> whats the gnome 3 channel?
[08:03] <bhavesh> u can keep unity if u want KM0201
[08:03] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, then i'll be saying goodbye to Ubuntu, unless there is dramatic improvement
[08:03] <pooltable> to test it out now in 10.10
[08:04] <KM0201> pooltable, seriously, i would not do that
[08:04] <bhavesh> lol is it soo bad?
[08:04] <KM0201> i installed Gnome 3 this morning, and it trashed my OS... i ended up reinstalling
[08:04] <pooltable> km0201 what ?
[08:04] <bhavesh> O.o
[08:04] <KM0201> pooltable, yes siree
[08:04] <bhavesh> pooltable, installing gnome 3 is not advisible now
[08:04] <anthony_2409> has anyone used the 64bit gnome3 iso on the GNOME website?
[08:04] <bhavesh> gnome 3 is still in the making I think
[08:05] <KM0201> kept freezing up, so i tried to revert back to ubuntu classic (which was still an option, cuz i never removed it)... and bam.. error.. couldn't get into unity, nothing
[08:05] <KM0201> so i reinstalled
[08:05] <bhavesh> oO
[08:05] <KM0201> then i let some clown in here talk me into trying kubuntu 11.04
[08:05] <KM0201> all i'll say, is there's not enough alcohol in the world to make me use KDE..
[08:05] <pooltable> km0201 i try it but did not know hoe to set it up to look like now
[08:06] <bullgard4> bhavesh: Very much so.
[08:06] <KM0201> pooltable, well, if Gnome 3 stays as crappy as it is, i'll either part ways w/ Ubuntu, or start using Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[08:06] <pooltable> bhavesh amybe not for 11.4 buy i have it in 10.10
[08:06] <pooltable> kn0201 i see
[08:06] <bhavesh> bullgard: ?
[08:07] <KM0201> bullgard4, actually, gnome 3 is final release... (which is sad)
[08:07] <KM0201> but.. kde 4 was a mess when it came out to.
[08:07] <KM0201> and it seems to have finally come around (even though i still hate it)
[08:07] <pooltable> kn0201 i miss some thing in windows 7 i can not d well with my current computer
[08:07] <KM0201> pooltable, and that is?
[08:07] <KM0201> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
[08:07] <bhavesh> ubutnu is not at all for games..
[08:08] <KM0201> Stable release 	3.0  (6 April 2011; 9 days ago)
[08:08] <kaushal> is gnome3 available in 11.04 ?
[08:08] <KM0201> kaushal, if you want to poke your eyes out, yes
[08:08] <bullgard4> KM0201: I attended a high-ranking GNOME 3 conference in Berlin last week. The develpers unisono said that GNOME is a project in progress.
[08:08] <bhavesh> kaushal: You can externally install it but in 11.10 it would be default environment
[08:08] <KM0201> bhavesh, well, thats not ubntu's fault.. blame software developers who don't make their games for linux
[08:08] <bullgard4> KM0201: I attended a high-ranking GNOME 3 conference in Berlin last week. The develpers unisono said that GNOME 3 is a project in progress.
[08:08] <pooltable> km0201 one  well good gui working turgrafix emu
[08:08] <KM0201> bullgard4, i dunno.
[08:09] <bhavesh> KM0201: Yes even I read it somewhere GNOME3 is in progress
[08:09] <KM0201> bhavesh, i'm not doubting you, just telling you what the wiki says.
[08:09] <KM0201> i could care less, i won't be using it.
[08:09] <bhavesh> k
[08:09] <bhavesh> around 10 minutes left
[08:10] <pooltable> bhavesh send a pic of it after it is  all done
[08:12] <bhavesh> pooltable: k
[08:12] <kaushal> bhavesh: ok
[08:13] <kaushal> Does this Video Card http://www.dell.com/in/business/p/vostro-3500/pd will enable Unity ?
[08:13] <pooltable> when 11.4 is release when is the beta alfa for the 11.10  start ?
[08:13] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[08:13] <KM0201> !11.10
[08:14] <KM0201> oh my.. they really stretched it w/ that name
[08:14] <KM0201> i was hoping for Ornery Ostrage
[08:14] <pooltable> ubottu only 15 wow
[08:14] <KM0201> only 15..lol
[08:15] <KM0201> how the heck do you even pronounce that?
[08:15] <KM0201> lol
[08:15] <pooltable> so like red hat that at 14 now
[08:15] <KM0201> is RH at 14 now?
[08:15] <KM0201> i knew Fedora was.. but i thought RH was still around like version 7
[08:15] <pooltable> the fedora i mean
[08:16] <KM0201> yeah, fedora is kinda the "Ubuntu" of the RPM distros... releases every 6mo whether you like it or not, etc
[08:16] <KM0201> i like fedora though
[08:16] <KM0201> i'm a total debian tramp.. but if i was gonna use a RH distro, it would be fedora
[08:16] <pooltable> over ubuntu
[08:16] <KM0201> no, not over ubuntu.
[08:16] <KM0201> i prefer debian releases over RH releases
[08:16] <pooltable> ok
[08:17] <pooltable> why?
[08:17] <KM0201> but.. if for some reason, i was gonna use a RH release, or if someone asks me to recommend a RH release, I always recommend fedora
[08:17] <bullgard4> ~/.config/autostart with me includes only 7 .desktop files. Is this normal?
[08:17] <KM0201> why do i prefer Debian releases?.. honestly, i'm just used to them...
[08:17] <pooltable> i see
[08:17] <KM0201> i know how they work, i'm familiar w/ the package manager (not that RH's is difficult to use)...
[08:17] <KM0201> i know generally what i'm looking for whenj i want to do something
[08:18] <pooltable> i just like hw easy ubuntu is to update
[08:18] <pooltable> how
[08:18] <KM0201> yeah, believe it or not, the first Linux distro i got to work completely, 100% (after numerous tries w/ other distros) was Fedora 4
[08:18] <pooltable> i have use puppy linux to fix my hard drive i like puppy
[08:19] <KM0201> ubuntu had failed to install for me several times, but fedora 4 worked flawlessly, then fedora 5, then for whatever reason, ubuntu 6.06 came out, and i thought "well i'll try it".. and it worked, so i installed it, and used it for a bit, and i was hooked, i liked it a lot better
[08:19] <pooltable> my friend like gentoo i like it untill i saw ubuntu
[08:19] <KM0201> Gentoo is not for the novice.. very solid distro though
[08:20] <pooltable> i now that why i did not like it
[08:20] <KM0201> lol
[08:21] <KM0201> gentoo has a very powerful package manager, once yo figure out how to use it.. the problem (for me) was figuring out how to use it.
[08:21] <KM0201> lol
[08:21] <KM0201> that ws years ago though.. i coudl probably use it now if i really anted to
[08:21] <pooltable> i am thiss now at like i download a s zip file how to installed it
[08:21] <KM0201> huh
[08:21] <KM0201> is it a zip file, or a .tar.gz file?
[08:22] <pooltable> sorry still new at this
[08:22] <pooltable> tar.gz
[08:22] <KM0201> no prob.. if its a .tar.gz   that is the source code of a program, and it has to be compiled from source... if you're new.. it's best to avoid this.. as it can be quite daunting.
[08:22] <KM0201> what program did you download  a.tar file for?
[08:23] <pooltable> ideas1035.tar.bz2 like this how do iinstall it i know how to u zip it
[08:23] <KM0201> well, installing it, can be quite comples
[08:23] <KM0201> *complex
[08:23] <KM0201> !compile | pooltable
[08:23] <KM0201> read it and weep
[08:24] <pooltable> !compile
[08:26] <pooltable> lot of thing t do to try to get some things t work
[08:27] <pooltable> likw i know blender 2.7.2 is out but not for ubuntu
[08:28] <KM0201> pooltable, you sure about that?
[08:28] <KM0201> i don't use blender, but i think it has an ubuntu version
[08:29] <KM0201> pooltable, not sure about 10.10(as i don't have it running at the moment) but on 11.04, blender is in the repositories
[08:29] <pooltable> sorry it is out
[08:30] <KM0201> but it looks like its version 2.49.2  ... i imagine you could find a 2.7.2 package for ubuntu if you look around.. probably in a PPA somewhere
[08:30] <pooltable> but some time programs like it i want the new version have and have to wait for it
[08:30] <KM0201> pooltable, i could be wrong, but i think me and you are the only ones still awake
[08:30] <pooltable> or like sims 3 i can never get it to rum
[08:30] <pooltable> run
[08:31] <pooltable> i see
[08:31] <KM0201> ya
[08:31] <KM0201> my opinion, if you want to game... your best bet is to dual boot, unless you want to play games that have linux versions
[08:31] <KM0201> (which aren't very many)
[08:31] <pooltable> that why i am not even type ing your name
[08:31] <KM0201> lol
[08:31] <pooltable> i know that now
[08:31] <KM0201> i do it by habit, cuz i IRC a lot
[08:32] <pooltable> i kinda lazy if i do not have to i do not do it fater to just type
[08:34] <elricL> can anyone help me http://askubuntu.com/questions/34997/disk-drive-not-ready-yet-or-not-available
[08:34] <KM0201> pooltable, well, like i said, i IRC so much, usually in very busy channels, i just do it instinctively
[08:35] <pooltable> km0201 i see i will try harder to do it what is the faster why to see if i have vlc at the 1.9 version ?
[08:36] <KM0201> pooltable, in a terminal    "vlc --ver" don't for get the space, and thats two -
[08:37] <pooltable> km0201 ok is it at 1.1.7 what is the best way to upgrade
[08:38] <KM0201> i usually just wait for update manager to update it...
[08:38] <KM0201> otherwise, you'll have to go to vlc's website, download the source code and compile it.
[08:38] <KM0201> you *might* be able to find an ubuntu package out there for it somewhere
[08:39] <bullgard4> System > Preferences > Startup zApplications shows 20 applications asserted. Why does ~/.config/autostart list only 7?
[08:39] <bullgard4> System > Preferences > Startup Applications shows 20 applications asserted. Why does ~/.config/autostart list only 7?
[08:40] <pooltable> km0201 how do i skip this : Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop/gnome3-builds/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
[08:41] <KM0201> what do you mean how do you skip it?
[08:41] <KM0201> i wouldn't skip that, if you're trying to install gnome 3
[08:41] <KM0201> unless you're just dying to reinstall
[08:42] <pooltable> km0201 i trying to just get update and once it get there is stop
[08:42] <KM0201> hmm
[08:42] <KM0201> i have no idea on that one.
[08:42] <pooltable> km0201 on other program like vlc
[08:43] <pooltable> km0201 how about uninstall it  remove it ?
[08:43] <KM0201> well fi you're already in the middle of upgrading
[08:43] <KM0201> it might be to late.
[08:43] <KM0201> weren't you upgrading to 11.04
[08:44] <pooltable> kn0201 i am on 10.10 what about this Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ maverick/partner i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_maverick_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[08:44] <KM0201> hang on just a sec pooltable
[08:46] <mns`> if you want unity to work well, please don't install the oficial nvidia driver from ubuntu. doing that here made unity run really slow. it was a bad experience. i only could solve that when i installed the 3D support for nouveau in the restricted drivers
[08:47] <mns`> now everything is fast here in unity
[08:47] <bullgard4> mns`: Did you report this to Launchpad?
[08:48] <mns`> not yet, but i will
[08:48] <bullgard4> mns`: Great. Thank you.
[08:48] <mns`> i'm using the amd64 version of ubuntu here
[08:50] <mns`> i'm asleep
[08:50] <mns`> tomorrow i'll report
[08:50] <skwashd> I'm trying to upgrade from lucid to natty
[08:50] <skwashd> it has mostly gone well except the python stuff
[08:51] <skwashd> pycompile seems to be broken
[08:51] <bullgard4> skwashd: Do not do it in one step. Take the intermediate Maverick step.
[08:51] <skwashd> bullgard4, bit late for that now
[08:52] <skwashd> it has installed more than half of the packages from natty already
[08:52] <skwashd> this is the output i'm getting http://pastebin.com/JUytRwMU
[08:54] <pooltable> help update or installed vlc 1.1.9?
[08:55] <KM0201> pooltable, are yo using 10.10?
[08:55] <pooltable> km0201 yes \
[08:56] <KM0201> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[08:56] <KM0201> scroll down to where it says "install vlc from ppa"
[08:56] <KM0201> follow the 3 steps
[08:56] <KM0201> i would uninstall vlc first though
[08:56] <KM0201> only cuz i'm crazy like that
[08:56] <pooltable> km0201 this one ?
[08:57] <pooltable> km0201 this one ? At your OWN risks, install VLC from PPA
[08:57] <KM0201> pooltable, yes
[08:57] <KM0201> uninstall vlc.. then follow those 3 steps
[08:57] <KM0201> you want the bleeding edge vlc... you'll get it.. problems at and all..lol
[08:57] <KM0201> !latest
[08:59] <KM0201> pooltable, unless there's a specific reason you need 1.9, (a 1.6 is not working, and a fix in 1.9 fixes the problem, or something like that) it's really best to just keep the stasble version in Ubuntu
[09:00] <KM0201> upgrading "just to upgrade" is a recipe for disaster
[09:01] <pooltable> km0201 keep getting 1.1.7 o well good for me then
[09:02] <KM0201> pooltable, why ar eyou so intent on getting 1.9?
[09:02] <KM0201> or 1.1.9.. sorry
[09:02] <pooltable> just like to see the difference
[09:03] <KM0201> pooltable, no offense, but thats pretty foolish
[09:03] <KM0201> thats a good way to brick an install, getting crazy w/ PPAs, etc
[09:03] <pooltable> kn0201 i see now i will pass on it
[09:03] <_|pegasus|_> i would be glad if i find a difference between 0.9. and 1.1.x ;)
[09:03] <KM0201> little late
[09:04] <KM0201> _|pegasus|_, lol.. i've not really saw much of a difference in VLC, since I started using it about 4-5yrs ago
[09:04] <KM0201> lol
[09:04] <pooltable> km0201  same here just some new skins
[09:05] <KM0201> barely that
[09:05] <_|pegasus|_> KM0201: Try, but i don't really remember 0.7 and later. But in the interface there changed nothing and with deeper config (expert mode on) i were too lazy. It played - that's it.
[09:06] <pooltable> ok km0201 hadr ware question i looking fo a god under 200 viedo card 2.0 with a pvr and suggestion ?
[09:06] <pooltable> hard
[09:06] <_|pegasus|_> pooltable: The skins are not released with the version. To it: VLC got a security problem. It should be fixed now.
[09:06] <KM0201> pooltable, no clue at all.
[09:06] <skwashd> bullgard4, fixed it ... installed python2.6-minimal and python-minimal from maverick
[09:06] <pooltable> km0201 ok
[09:06] <bullgard4> skwashd: I am glad that you made it.
[09:07] <pooltable> km0201 do you like amd or intell i like amd for the cost
[09:07] <aHardyX> Hi! Is this the right place to discuss about problems with Unity in beta2?
[09:08] <KM0201> pooltable, every PC I've built since an AMD K5, has been AMD
[09:08] <aHardyX> There are no icons in the side toolbar
[09:08] <skwashd> bullgard4, not the first time i've killed a box doing a dist-upgrade
[09:08] <KM0201> my laptop however, is a Celeron, and thats only because i couldn't build it, and i got a really good deal on it.
[09:11] <KM0201> aHardyX, none at all
[09:11] <KM0201> >
[09:11] <KM0201> >?
[09:11] <aHardyX> KM0201, nope its blank
[09:11] <KM0201> hmm
[09:12] <aHardyX> KM0201, want a screenshot?
[09:12] <pooltable> km0201 i want to get the new one net year the BD i like the 100 3.3 GHZ 6X
[09:12] <KM0201> sure, why not
[09:12] <pooltable> 1100
[09:12] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: I had the same problem but the latest updates fixed it. Ary you up-to-date?
[09:13] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_
[09:13] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ yes I am up to date
[09:13] <aHardyX> here is the pic: http://i56.tinypic.com/kal1kw.png
[09:13] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: File a bug ;)
[09:14] <KM0201> aHardyX, yeah, that is a little weird
[09:14] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Well, i know rthat. Even there was nothing in the Apps too.
[09:14] <pooltable> ahardy blank desk top ?
[09:15] <aHardyX> pooltable, yeah I don't have anything on it
[09:15] <pooltable> ahardyx is that the why you want it ?
[09:15] <pooltable> way
[09:16] <aHardyX> pooltable, what r u talking abt? The desktop or the sidebar?
[09:16] <pooltable> ahardyx desk top
[09:17] <aHardyX> pooltable, yeah its blank because there is nothing in the Desktop folder. This is a fresh installation
[09:18] <pooltable> ahardyx i see
[09:18] <twager> The apps icons no now not appear in my sidebar..Tha app shows when I run the mouse over it though...Could it be a  graphics card fault?
[09:19] <aHardyX> so How do I file a bug when aport crashes everytime !\
[09:20] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX In terminal: ubuntu-bug <packagename> or if iut has a window: ubuntu-bug -w and point to it
[09:22] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ and how do i know whether I am using ubity 2d or 3d?
[09:22] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ unity*
[09:23] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX Unity complains if your graphic accelerator doen't support 3D... Tray it in failsafeX.
[09:23] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ failsafex brings me back to the old Gnome desktop
[09:24] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ and I am using Nvidia Geforce FX 5500 AGP card
[09:24] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: What does Unity tell you if you start up in failsafeX?
[09:24] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ nothing......it just loads to the old Gnome desktop
[09:25] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Okay, then wwe have two much different Natty Beta 2.
[09:25] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  How is that possible? I downloaded it yesterday and updated it today
[09:26] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  wait 'll try doing it again! brb
[09:26] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Me too. I don't know. My Unity tells me that my graphics hardware doesn't support unity and so on and so on. I get a lot info about that from unity and why it doesn't and why it won't.
[09:27] <quup> does the kubuntu beta2  64bit mac iso work on non-mac systems as well?
[09:29] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_ ok It gave me an error after loading in failsafeX
[09:30] <_|pegasus|_> aHaryX: I looked in ccms - there WAS a plugin with something about 3D in beta 1. But now it is gone...
[09:31] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: But that all doesn't bring the icons back, right ;)
[09:31] <pooltable> well getting tired here have a nice day to all
[09:31] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  yeah
[09:31] <pooltable> thanks for all the help
[09:31] <_|pegasus|_> aHardyX: Files a bug?
[09:32] <aHardyX> _|pegasus|_  ok lemme restart into unity again....brb
[09:32] <_|pegasus|_> pooltable goes testing vlc ;)
[09:33] <somethinginteres> how can I replace the flash player installed through 11.04's software centre with the 10.3 beta "libflashplayer.so"? I run both Chromium and Firefox and only see the file located in the following areas, not in any browser specific location in Chromium's case: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594760/
[09:35] <bhaevsh> Installing : http://i.imgur.com/WBGTs.png :)
[09:38] <mongy> I know fglrx is unsupported but I just wanna ask if there is anything I can, other than use the 'radeon' driver to fix the tearing.  I can see a new option in ati ccc called tear free, but the downside of it is stuff is quite choppy when its enabled.  Before, in 10.10 all I needed was to enable vsync always on in ccc but I cant get the same effect in 11.04, its either choppy and flicker free or smooth but tearing.
[09:45] <bullgard4> System > Preferences > Startup Applications shows 20 applications asserted. Why does ~/.config/autostart list only 7?
[09:58] <incorrect> can you change the size of the icons on unity?
[09:59] <somethinginteres> incorrect: you can if you install "Compiz Settings Manager". It is not available off the bat b/c such features are considered beta
[10:01] <incorrect> somethinginteres, ah cool, i think they are a little too big for my netbook and pointlessly huge for when i upgrade my desktop
[10:01] <somethinginteres> incorrect: I agree. I changed it myself on installing beta 1. Just search for "ccsm" and look for the Unity section
[10:02] <incorrect> thanks
[10:02] <incorrect> i will
[10:03] <incorrect> i like my desktops being a one dimensional array not a 2x2 grid, i guess this can be changed too
[10:08] <somethinginteres> incorrect: a one dimensional array?
[10:08] <incorrect> 1x4
[10:08] <somethinginteres> incorrect: ah I see
[10:09] <somethinginteres> any way to automount my drives without extra software?
[10:11] <incorrect> that would require something in the kernel i guess
[10:15] <KM0201> something there should be, hangon
[10:16] <bhavesh> KM0201: omg wow I am installing now and I can see changes happening on my desktop
[10:16] <bhavesh> KM0201: things are changes
[10:16] <KM0201> ya
[10:16] <bhavesh> changing*
[10:18] <KM0201> somethinginteres, i know there's a way to do it, i'm just not sure how.. i think it involves adding some entries to Fstab
[10:19] <somethinginteres> KM0201: I see
[10:19] <KM0201> somethinginteres, are they ntfs partitions?
[10:19] <somethinginteres> KM0201: one is the other is ext4
[10:20] <KM0201> i thought disk utility could do it.. but apparently not
[10:22] <somethinginteres> KM0201: I'm not even sure about how to easily find the drives through Unity to just get them to mount whenever I opened them
[10:23] <somethinginteres> the other thing I don't know is how to get the "File" etc menu of applications to appear other than mousing over the maximised windows title bar
[10:23] <KM0201> somethinginteres, honestly, easiest way... is open your home folder, and you'll see them in the window on the left... just click them, and they'll auto mount
[10:23] <somethinginteres> KM0201: thanks
[10:23] <KM0201> somethinginteres, this *might* work.. that package is in the repos.. so i'm guessing those instructions should work well.
[10:23] <KM0201> http://maketecheasier.com/auto-mount-your-ntfs-partition-in-ubuntu/2009/04/14
[10:24] <KM0201> i imagine you'd just do the same for your ext4 partition
[10:24] <somethinginteres> KM0201: OK thanks
[10:25] <somethinginteres> KM0201: any hints on how to get the "file" etc menu to appear without having to mouse over the maximised window's title bar?
[10:25] <KM0201> somethinginteres, not a clue.. that's a "feature".. :)
[10:26] <somethinginteres> KM0201: brilliant :)
[10:26] <KM0201> :)
[10:27] <gordonjcp> somethinginteres: you can put it back on the window *where it should be*
[10:27] <gordonjcp> somethinginteres: think you remove/disable indicator-appmenu
[10:28] <KM0201> ah, that would make sense
[10:28] <somethinginteres> gordonjcp: will look into it
[10:28]  * KM0201 misses the system monitor and force quit panel applets
[10:28] <KM0201> why they couldn't add those to indicator applet, i don't know
[10:29] <gordonjcp> I miss the weather applet
[10:29] <KM0201> gordonjcp, weather applet is easy to reinstall.
[10:29] <gordonjcp> KM0201: yeah, but I *shouldn't have to*
[10:29] <KM0201> well, now i won't argue w/ that
[10:30] <KM0201> gordonjcp, but the new indicator, is way better than the old one.
[10:31] <KM0201> gordonjcp, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/weather-indicator-lives-on-gets-new-ppa.html
[10:32] <KM0201> it'll even do "notifications" of severe weather
[10:32] <somethinginteres> I tend to try to get used to any new environment more than I would be happy to make custom changes e.g. removing indicator-appmenu but it just doesn't seem to be conducive to good workflow. Based on the "Default Desktop Experience for 11.04 - User testing results" found at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html there seems to be a number of user experience issues.
[10:33] <KM0201> somethinginteres, i could tell you about my "user experience" w/ kubuntu 11.04 earlier
[10:33] <KM0201> ugh
[10:33] <KM0201> now i know why i never use that dreadful OS.
[10:33] <KM0201> lol
[10:35] <somethinginteres> KM0201: I think I might just need to understand the interface more
[10:36] <KM0201> somethinginteres, that could be.. it takes a little gettin used to.
[10:37] <gordonjcp> KM0201: can you customise what it thinks is "severe"?
[10:38] <gordonjcp> KM0201: if it's anything like the US "Skywarn" types, they reckon a bit of rain and 70mph wind is "severe weather"
[10:38] <KM0201> gordonjcp, not sure.. i've not really looked at that, but i donj't think so.
[10:38] <KM0201> gordonjcp, we had some pretty serious thunderstorms here tonight, and it didn't alert me.
[10:46] <KM0201> allr ight, 6am.. gonna sleep for 4hrs.. then try to stay up till midnight.
[10:46] <KM0201> hopefully that will fix my sleep pattern
[10:46] <KM0201> later all.
[10:52] <bhavesh> KM0201: Installed it :D
[10:52] <bhavesh> KM0201: But my docky bar is dead and I dont know where to go to all those System > Preferences stuff
[10:55] <bhavesh> how can I reduce the sidebar size?
[10:57] <bhavesh> and where is that setting where I could change my display effects to medium high and very high?
[11:06] <bhavesh> ok right so I installed ubuntu 11.04 and I messed up with compiz fusion manager
[11:06] <bhavesh> I enabled desktop cube
[11:06] <bhavesh> and it asked to disable some plugins when I did
[11:06] <bhavesh> and now I dont have any bar
[11:06] <bhavesh> not even the window top bar
[11:06] <bhavesh> nor the side bar
[11:07] <bhavesh> what am I supposed to do?
[11:15] <bhavesh> how can I reset unity?
[11:15] <bhavesh> I dont have top windo bars....
[11:17] <alpha_> unity --replace
[11:17] <alpha_> from a terminal
[11:28] <Tux91> hey all
[12:33] <clmnt-jr> Good morning, someone can help me to use mobile broadband on  the ubuntu natty beta 2?
[12:51] <ki9a> Since updating my beta 1 install to the latest packages X freezes up on boot: http://pastebin.com/9RDJDjND says "NVidia(GPU-0) Failed detecting connected display devices"
[12:51] <ki9a> how do I get it working again?
[12:51] <ki9a> it was working fine in b1; and obviously, my screen is attached
[12:52] <ki9a> (however both keyboard and mouse do not respond, I see the output from an ssh terminal)
[12:57] <ki9a> how do I get it working again?
[13:11] <ki9a_> hrm. now getting: http://pastebin.com/LXb8diBM
[13:15] <bhavesh> anyone here?
[13:15] <bhavesh> I still could not bring my window top bar
[13:15] <bhavesh> any window I open is without any border and top bar...
[13:16] <mahfrk> folks, how to take the screenshot of Unity dash?
[13:16] <bhavesh> I guess there is no application assiged to do that..
[13:17] <bhavesh> Im too unhappy with unity
[13:17] <ki9a_> you can easily change to gnome-desktop
[13:17] <ki9a_> it's an option at login
[13:17] <mongy> bhavesh, are they opening maximised?
[13:17] <bhavesh> err I dont have any login screen
[13:17] <bhavesh> no
[13:17] <bhavesh> they arent
[13:17] <bhavesh> just they have no borders or top bar
[13:18] <bhavesh> I messed up with something in compiz
[13:18] <mongy> mahfrk, gnome-screenshot and set a delay
[13:18] <bhavesh> can I restore unity somehow?
[13:18] <mongy> bhavesh, window decoration plugin  in compiz maybe?
[13:18] <bhavesh> hmm i'll have to search it now..
[13:18] <bhavesh> 1 sec
[13:20] <bhavesh> mongy, ok I think I got those things back.. still something seems like missing
[13:20] <bhavesh> mahfrk, U can get the screenshot thingy by going in compiz manager and enabling screenshot
[13:21] <bhavesh> mongy, but still I cant move any window
[13:21] <bhavesh> all windows are stuck at their place
[13:21] <mongy> does alt (click and move) work ?
[13:22] <bhavesh> no it does not
[13:22] <bhavesh> also my docky bar hangs sometimes :(
[13:23] <mongy> idk then
[13:23] <mongy> works (mostly) ok here.
[13:23] <bhavesh> any way to restore compiz settings?
[13:23] <mongy> prefs in ccsm
[13:23] <mongy> restore defaukt
[13:23] <mongy> default
[13:23] <bhavesh> k
[13:24] <mahfrk> mongy: thanks. it works
[13:26] <tim> hi all, since both nouveau and nvidia-current are broken for me on 11.04, what is there preferred way to install the nvidia-260 driver?
[13:26] <ki9a_> tim: how is nivdia-current broken for you?
[13:27] <Necrosporus> nouveau is better, you may want to fix
[13:27] <tim> ki9a_: nvidia-current freezes the whole machine, when launching gdb/kdb
[13:27] <ki9a_> tim: curious. I have the exact same here since upgrading 1 or 2 days ago
[13:27] <tim> Necrosporus: nouveau crashes when i start tk applications
[13:27] <yofel> tim: nvidia 260 does not work with X-Server 1.10
[13:27] <yofel> only 270
[13:28] <tim> oh
[13:28] <ki9a_> apparently, the latest driver or kernel or X server is convinced I have no screen; [    47.540] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Failed detecting connected display devices
[13:28] <yofel> tim: if it crashes you should add a report on http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
[13:28] <vega> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html "5/11 participants (P2, P3, P5, P9, P10, P11) crashed Unity during their hour of testing."
[13:28] <vega> sounds promising..
[13:29] <yofel> Necrosporus: nouveau is at least as ba
[13:29] <yofel> *bad
[13:29] <bhaevsh> Alright now the windows move and I got top bar
[13:29] <yofel> for me - worse
[13:29] <bhaevsh> but all other things are missing
[13:29] <Necrosporus> tim, have you filled a bug report?
[13:29] <bhaevsh> the side bar and top bar of unity
[13:29] <Necrosporus> Nouveau is _much_ better, because it doesn't break the entire security of the System
[13:30] <Necrosporus> It's free software
[13:30] <yofel> Necrosporus: then get someone to fix freedesktop bug 26980 so I can actually *use* it
[13:30] <tim> Necrosporus:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/659473
[13:30] <ki9a_> Necrosporus: that'd be fun if it actually worked.
[13:30] <bhaevsh> my ubuntu crashed after I restored defaukts -__-
[13:30] <bhaevsh> defaults
[13:30] <tim> Necrosporus: unfortunately it hasn been worked on for almost 6 months :(
[13:30] <bhaevsh> and now I dont have any bar
[13:31] <bhaevsh> I am really really unhappy with unity
[13:32] <ki9a_> there are few people that actually like unity
[13:32] <ki9a_> except those that wrote it
[13:33] <bhaevsh> wait a sec, there was something where I could set up the low medium and high settings.... where are they?
[13:34] <bhaevsh> the high added effects like swinging windows...
[13:34] <bhaevsh> it was in appearence
[13:34] <bhaevsh> now it isnt...?
[13:34] <Necrosporus> tim, have you tried the SVN version?
[13:34] <tim> Necrosporus: svn of nouveau?
[13:34] <Necrosporus> Best solution, however, I suppose, is to by an ATI card and throw out nvidia
[13:35] <Necrosporus> Or sell
[13:35] <tim> Necrosporus: frankly, i am getting too old for this!
[13:35] <Necrosporus> tim, yep, svn of nouveau
[13:35] <bhaevsh> ubutnu should've supported nvidia..
[13:35] <tim> Necrosporus: the binary nvidia driver did a hell of a job for the last two years ... i cannot say this for any ati card i ever had
[13:35] <Necrosporus> Natty seem working well with Radeon HD 5470
[13:35] <bhaevsh> alright i've decided to get GNOME3
[13:35] <bhaevsh> how can I?
[13:35] <bhaevsh> from 11.04
[13:36] <bhaevsh> there is no login screen btw
[13:36] <ki9a_> gnome3 under ubuntu 11.04 is so unstable its' not woth it
[13:36] <ki9a_> but gnome2 works fine
[13:36] <Necrosporus> nvidia should support free software by releasing specifications like AMD does
[13:37] <ki9a_> statements like that are completely useless if you already HAVE nvidia hardware
[13:37] <Necrosporus> ki9a_, I had some nvidia card, but when I started to use GNU/Linux, I have replaced it with ATI card
[13:37] <bhaevsh> ki9a_ so if I get gnome2 now then can I upgrade to gnome3 lateR?
[13:38] <ki9a_> bhaevsh: once it becomes stable you can do aynthing you want really
[13:38] <ki9a_> there ARE packages btw
[13:38] <ki9a_> i tried them last week
[13:38] <Necrosporus> And now I can use 3D on my computer without breaking its security
[13:38] <ki9a_> crashes all around
[13:38] <bhaevsh> O.o
[13:38] <bhaevsh> is there any way to reduce the size of my unity's sidebar?
[13:38] <ki9a_> if you want that, there are guides on google, "ubuntu 11.04 gnome3"
[13:38] <bhaevsh> when I click search button the black box appears over the whole screen
[13:38] <tim> Necrosporus: i have been using ati, nvidia and intel cards. i cannot say that any of them worked perfectly
[13:38] <bhaevsh> ok
[13:39] <ki9a_> i have an iMac, with nvidia card
[13:39] <ki9a_> worked perfectly until beta2
[13:39] <yofel> Necrosporus: still doesn't help if you have a notebook with an nvidia chip. And the driver works reasonably fine
[13:39] <Silker> bhaevsh, try the opposite of this: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/quick-tip-enable-full-screen-dash-in-natty-desktop/
[13:39] <tim> Necrosporus: however for the last 2 years i didn't have any issues with my nvidia card
[13:39] <ki9a_> i'm not going to blame nvidia for something ubuntu broke
[13:39] <yofel> and I'm *not* going to try svn/git snapshots of my graphics driver
[13:39] <yofel> if anything that's the distros job
[13:40] <tim> Necrosporus: is there any packaged version of nouveau?
[13:40] <tim> (svn)
[13:40] <bhaevsh> Silker: ty :)
[13:41] <ki9a_> interesting. the only reference to the XOrg.0.log error I get (NVIDIA(GPU-0): Failed detecting connected display devices) is the pastebin I did half an hour ago
[13:41] <bhaevsh> well so I cannot get swinging windows effect again?
[13:41] <yofel> tim: in xorg-edgers maybe
[13:41] <bhaevsh> that was in appearence set to very high?
[13:42] <Necrosporus> yofel, then you should not have bought such a notebook. If you can't buy another, you hovever, can use nouveau
[13:42] <yofel> tim: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[13:42] <yofel> Necrosporus: with nouveau I can't use any compositing or my GPU locks up as I said.
[13:42] <tim> Necrosporus: unless you use xinerama and tk :(
[13:43] <Necrosporus> tim, there is xorg-edgers PPA, it work fine with 10.10 and gives 3D on Radeon HD5470
[13:44] <Necrosporus> With 11.04 3D works by default
[13:44] <tim> Necrosporus: i *am* on 11.04 ... 3d works, tk doesn't
[13:45] <Necrosporus> tim, I suppose, it is fixable, however, I'd prefer to buy another videocard or laptop in such case
[13:45] <Necrosporus> Maybe
[13:45] <yofel> you maybe, we others are going to stick to the nvidia driver
[13:46] <Necrosporus> Also, if such a laptop comes with nvidia card, it is possibly replaceable
[13:46] <ki9a_> runlevel 3 it is
[13:46] <ki9a_> heh
[13:46] <ki9a_> Ubuntu is broken and the suggestion here is to replace your graphics card
[13:46] <Necrosporus> ki9a_, nvidia is broken
[13:47] <Necrosporus> it doesn't release specs
[13:47] <ki9a_> while for some that might be a sore issue
[13:47] <tim> Necrosporus: 10.10 was not broken, 11.04 is broken
[13:47] <ki9a_> i really don't care about it if it was working earlier.
[13:49] <Necrosporus> tim, than you may downgrade the driver, X or whole distro
[13:49] <lcb> how about blaming Xorg... instead of mass criticizing 11.04
[13:49] <bhaevsh> is gnome2 already installed in 11.04 but disabled?
[13:50] <bhaevsh> I want gnome2 back
[13:50] <bhaevsh> from unity
[13:50] <Necrosporus> I don't like Unity. Is it at least possible to bring main menus back under window title?
[13:50] <arand> bhaevsh: Login to ubuntu classic session
[13:50] <Necrosporus> bhaevsh, it is
[13:50] <lcb> Necrosporus, yes
[13:50] <tim> Necrosporus: sure
[13:50] <Necrosporus> How to?
[13:50] <bhaevsh> arand: now whats a classic session?
[13:51] <Necrosporus> bhaevsh, gnome2 session
[13:51] <bhaevsh> arand: I dont get any login screen btw
[13:51] <arand> logout, click username, select ubuntu classic
[13:51] <tim> Necrosporus: and i might have to, but introducing a regression and asking people to use the old version is not really user friendly
[13:51] <Necrosporus> bhaevsh, disable autologin. sudo gdmconfig
[13:51] <arand> Well if not, you've set it to autologin
[13:51] <bhaevsh> yes I have set it to autologin
[13:51] <Necrosporus> tim, only Slackware is user friendly enough, ubuntu is not
[13:52] <bhaevsh> sudo gdmconfig not found x_x
[13:52] <arand> bhaevsh: I've told you how... And that is not what I said..
[13:52] <bhaevsh> ok
[13:52] <Necrosporus> sudo gdmsetup
[13:52] <tim> Necrosporus: thanks for the hint, i will switch
[13:53] <Necrosporus> tim, wait for 13.37, it's coming soon. 13.1 is fairly old
[13:54] <tim> Necrosporus: great, then it will probably still support the nvidia driver :P
[13:54] <bhaevsh> arand: I cant even logout....
[13:55] <Necrosporus> tim, do you really want to possess your system to great security risk?
[13:56] <Necrosporus> noone can check what does binary-only software do, so it's extremely dangerous to use
[13:56] <Necrosporus> And if it work on kernel level it is several times more dangerous
[13:57] <tim> Necrosporus: sure ... my nvidia card will transform into a monster and kill me, while i am sleeping
[13:58] <tim> Necrosporus: this argument is the old FUD
[13:58] <Necrosporus> it's worse, it may compromise your private data without letting you know, or turn your computer into zombie
[13:59] <Necrosporus> tim, it's not food, noone knows, what does that proprietary bits do
[13:59] <tim> Necrosporus: i have head many people saying, that it kills the latency and possibly ruins your worst-case scheduling latency
[13:59] <tim> Necrosporus: however i have been able to achieve worst-case scheduling latencies of approximately 10 microseconds
[14:00] <tim> Necrosporus: to compare - enabling hyperthreading increases the scheduling latency to about 250 us.
[14:04] <Necrosporus> tim, what are you talking about?
[14:05] <tim> Necrosporus: the binary nvidia driver and how people spread FUD about it
[14:06] <Necrosporus> tim, can you proof the driver is sane?
[14:06] <Necrosporus> Every proprietary software is dangerous, not only nvidia driver
[14:07] <Daekdroom> If people found out the nvidia binary driver was dangerous, they'd be fried, really.
[14:07] <Necrosporus> Adobe Flash for example is
[14:07]  * tim doesn't have time for this discussion any more
[14:07] <Daekdroom> And it isn't much different from people who install opensource software without checking the source cod.e
[14:08]  * tim would like to see a formal proof of correctness of the linux kernel
[14:08] <Necrosporus> At least it is possible to check it. so it's just dangerous, but proprietary software is not, so it is _extremely_ dangerous
[14:08] <tim> Necrosporus: have a nice afternoon
[14:08] <lcb> so being the main complaint about Natty the "missing" Gnome  menu let's try finding it...
[14:09] <lcb> Go to Applications | Themes & Tweaks | Startup Applications | Add -> Namme: Bottom Gnome Panel ; Command: gnome-panel ; Comment: This is my Gnome pacifier | (then) On the panel click Properties and besides 'Hide' arrange the menus in a way that do not overlap Natty's. From here you can play a lot with it.
[14:09] <lcb> and voila... Necrosporus , try that
[14:09] <BUGabundo> howdy
[14:09] <lcb> hi BUGabundo
[14:11] <Necrosporus> lcb, I'm talking about menu like file, edit...
[14:12] <lcb> i don't get it..
[14:12] <lcb> edit?
[14:12] <Necrosporus> Window menu, not gnome menus
[14:12] <Necrosporus> Currently it only appear on mouse hover upper panel
[14:13] <Necrosporus> How to bring it back where it should be in normal gnome?
[14:13] <lcb> if you do what i wrote then, after adding the pannel you'll have the option to add items, including the "tree" menu
[14:14] <Necrosporus> lcb, are you talking about Application menu of default gnome 2?
[14:14] <Necrosporus> It's not what I am talking about
[14:14] <Daekdroom> Necrosporus, as far as I know, you can't disable that.
[14:15] <Necrosporus> So, natty is fail. MacOS style menus is ugly as mac os itself
[14:15] <adrian_kx> can i ask questions about kubuntu here?
[14:15] <lcb> kubuntu natty
[14:15] <adrian_kx> yes
[14:16] <aguitel> how install gnome 3 in natty ?
[14:16] <adrian_kx> ati package is still broken in beta2?
[14:16] <adrian_kx> jokey reports failed deps ia32 libs
[14:16] <bhaevsh> I am installing GNOME3 on 11.04 hope all works good
[14:16] <adrian_kx> in plain ubuntu
[14:16] <adrian_kx> didnt try kubuntu beta yet
[14:17] <adrian_kx> gnome3 its not safe
[14:17] <arand> !gnome3
[14:17] <adrian_kx> and plus its faulty ugly touchscreen interface:)
[14:17] <lcb> as is not safe install whatever is not with natty by default, until final release
[14:17] <bhaevsh> ok I canceled it... gnome2 is ok for now
[14:18] <bhaevsh> my unitys sidebar looks ugly
[14:18] <bhaevsh> its huge
[14:18] <bhaevsh> really huge
[14:18] <adrian_kx> i like natty classic desktop
[14:18] <bhaevsh> with gnome2 ?
[14:18] <adrian_kx> yes
[14:18] <lcb> bhaevsh,  do the failsafeX thing and select defaults
[14:18] <adrian_kx> its gnome 2
[14:18] <bhaevsh> whats failsafeX?
[14:18] <adrian_kx> just use ubuntu classic at login screen
[14:19] <bhaevsh> I did the same
[14:19] <bhaevsh> I like unity but it just has a huge sidebar..
[14:19] <minashokry> hello, I am trying to install ubuntu 11.04 on dell xps 15 but I get a kernel panic when boting the live CD
[14:19] <bhaevsh> is failsafeX a command?
[14:19] <aguitel> adrian_kx, what is the difference between unity and gnome 3 ?
[14:20] <adrian_kx> they are 2 different projects
[14:20] <yofel> !unity
[14:20] <adrian_kx> nothing in common
[14:20] <adrian_kx> unity is base on old gnome2
[14:20] <lcb> minashokry, do the checksum on the iso | try burning the iso at slow speed
[14:20] <adrian_kx> its based
[14:20] <bhaevsh> omg gnome3 has more HUGE icons, fairly for touchscreens and not for desktops :(
[14:21] <adrian_kx> :)
[14:21] <adrian_kx> its fun tho:)
[14:21] <adrian_kx> to see how ppl try to inovate
[14:21] <aguitel> adrian_kx, when gnome 3 become in 11.10 it replace unity ?
[14:21] <adrian_kx> no
[14:21] <bhaevsh> yea... they shuold've kept netbook edidion seperate
[14:21] <adrian_kx> 11.10 will have unity by default
[14:22] <bhaevsh> edition*
[14:22] <lcb> in fack, Unity layout is a short way to go for touchscreens machines too
[14:22] <adrian_kx> says mark
[14:22] <aguitel> unity is only in ubuntu distro
[14:22] <bhaevsh> nope they will have gnome3..
[14:22] <adrian_kx> havent tryied kde in ages:)
[14:22] <minashokry> lcb, I don't think this is the problem, I burnt the CD with a slower older machine, also when I changed hard drive from ahci to ata, it could pass the kernel panic but then gives a message that can't find a medium containing live file system
[14:22] <aguitel> for example, fedora 15 will have gnome 3
[14:22] <lcb> 11.04 adrian_kx
[14:22] <yofel> can we move this discussion to after UDS-O? Then we'll defenitely know what it'll have
[14:23] <lcb> :)
[14:23] <adrian_kx> now that gnome 3 and unity are aiming for desktop lots of ppl will experiment diferent spins of ubuntu:P
[14:23] <yofel> if you've got arguments to make you can surely participate over IRC again this time
[14:24] <bhaevsh> they should make games for ubuntu
[14:24] <arand> yofel: when's uds this time, july something?
[14:24] <bazhang> !ot | bhaevsh
[14:24] <lcb> minashokry, as far as i know, there is no issues like your. so .. that's why i think is an image issue
[14:24] <yofel> no, in may
[14:24] <bhaevsh> ok sorry
[14:24] <yofel> !UDS
[14:24] <yofel> pretty soon actually
[14:25] <minashokry> lcb, I did an error check from k3b after I burnt the image and it was ok
[14:25] <minashokry> lcb, may I have better luck if I tried to install it from a USB instead of a CD?
[14:25] <lcb> minashokry, then, probably, turn your bios to defaults.
[14:26] <bhaevsh> wont I be able to use 3d cube or swinging effects in 11.04?
[14:26] <adrian_kx> u can
[14:26] <bhaevsh> if I enable them I get errors, half screen goes blank..
[14:26] <adrian_kx> its the same as 10.10 if u stick to classic desktop
[14:26] <arand> Cube won't work with unity though I think
[14:26] <bhaevsh> it doesn't even work in gnome2..
[14:26] <adrian_kx> beta2 has more breakeage than beta1 had
[14:26] <lcb> minashokry, you can try usb. i suggest unetbootin for that.
[14:27] <adrian_kx> looks like many things are regressing
[14:27] <minashokry> lcb, I just received this new machine and changed nothing in bios, except what I said
[14:27] <yofel> folks, if you have issues, please file bugs so you have a chance that the issue will be fixed
[14:27] <lcb> minashokry, ohh. ok. try "burning" an usb. with unetbootin
[14:27] <bhaevsh> ok im going to... there are a lot of them
[14:27] <adrian_kx> yofel i reported my bugs now i just have to wait to be fixed
[14:28] <minashokry> lcb, ok will try .... thanks
[14:28] <yofel> :)
[14:28] <adrian_kx> still 2 weeks till stable
[14:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:28] <arand> Alterntively, fix them yourself ;)
[14:28] <arand> 'lo
[14:28] <lcb> or as a neighbor
[14:28] <lcb> ask
[14:28] <adrian_kx> for my dam thinkpad ede 13 amd based its a big improvement natty 11.04
[14:29] <adrian_kx> anyone managed to get videoaccelaration to work with ati blob on hd3200 igp?
[14:29] <lcb> see..... a happy customer
[14:30] <adrian_kx> catalyst +xvba using vlc works?
[14:30] <adrian_kx> if anyone knows paste me a link to a howto