[01:24] <hypatia> czajkowski: your facebook got hacked :s
[01:24] <daker> \o/
[01:32] <hypatia> :s
[10:00] <czajkowski> hypatia: cheers for the heads up was my own fault :(
[21:52] <AlanBell> who is chairing the meeting?
[21:52]  * pleia2 takes a step back
[21:53] <pleia2> actually I can do it if no one else can (but usual disclaimer: I'm at work)
[21:55] <czajkowski> evening folks
[22:16] <maiatoday> hello
[22:18] <czajkowski> pleia2: what is USA Central time in relation to me
[22:18] <pleia2> um, it's one hour earlier than US eastern time
[22:19] <pleia2> I'd have to look up what time zone ireland is though
[22:19] <czajkowski> UTC +1
[22:20] <pleia2> czajkowski: 6 hours, I think
[22:21] <czajkowski> tank goo
[22:22] <pleia2> sure
[22:38] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467700/ spot any women?
[22:38] <czajkowski> nope
[22:41] <jledbetter> AlanBell, What's that?
[22:41] <AlanBell> recent Ubuntu Members
[22:43] <pleia2> AlanBell: rhonda
[22:43] <jledbetter> Ah
[22:43] <pleia2> she's the one who has been a DD for like a decade
[22:45] <AlanBell> oh great
[22:46] <AlanBell> 4.71%
[22:47] <AlanBell> 587:29
[22:48] <AlanBell> but that isn't an end of month figure so it will probably go down
[22:48] <czajkowski> no other membership meetings is there this month
[22:48] <czajkowski> EMEA Asisa happened
[22:48] <pleia2> americas is tonight
[22:48] <czajkowski> did USA
[22:48] <czajkowski> ahhh
[22:48] <czajkowski> feck
[22:50] <AlanBell> then again . . . https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GerfriedFuchs
[22:50] <AlanBell> "I know Gerfried in person as I've met him at debconf7"
[22:50] <czajkowski> aye I've seen the her/him comments with regard to rhonda a few times so  don't know
[22:51] <maco> AlanBell: it's a case of misgendering
[22:51] <maco> rhonda identifies as a woman
[22:51] <AlanBell> ah, ok
[22:52]  * pleia2 nods
[22:59] <AlanBell> there are other things like the kubuntu team that can award membership, and people can expire so it isn't just the main member meetings that happen in a month
[23:00] <maco> also the dmb meetings count
[23:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[23:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 22:00. The chair is pleia2.
[23:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:00] <pleia2> hello, welcome to our meeting! :)
[23:00] <czajkowski> Aloha
[23:00] <pleia2> who all is here for this?
[23:01] <czajkowski> \0/ Me I made it !
[23:01] <AlanBell> o/
[23:01] <Dolasilla> o/
[23:01] <pleia2> we've got an agenda over here:
[23:01] <pleia2> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/July2010/Agenda2
[23:01] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/July2010/Agenda2
[23:01] <IdleOne> o/
[23:01]  * daker is watching
[23:01] <pleia2> so unless anyone else has something, I'm going to dive into blueprint updates
[23:02] <czajkowski> sounds good
[23:02] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Blueprint updates
[23:02] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Blueprint updates
[23:02] <pleia2> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals
[23:02] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-m-ubuntu-women-project-m-goals
[23:02] <pleia2> so - logo got marked as DONE!
[23:03] <pleia2> all the files are linked in this email https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-July/002925.html
[23:03] <pleia2> and on our wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources
[23:03] <pleia2> I also updated our flier and sent a few hundred copies up with valorie to oscon this week :)
[23:05] <pleia2> Mentoring: I spoke with Pendulum last week and since she's been quite busy we swapped roles, I'm now going to handle the rewrite and she'll be the primary reviewer before we toss it out for more review
[23:05] <pleia2> so I need to do that :)
[23:05] <pleia2> Website: elky you about?
[23:05] <pleia2> I don't think we have any updates there
[23:05] <pleia2> questions, comments?
[23:05] <maco> is a theme sorted yet for the website?
[23:06]  * hypatia checks in
[23:06]  * hypatia was searching for parts
[23:07] <pleia2> maco: no, we haven't started any of that
[23:07] <maco> ohok
[23:07] <pleia2> the idea is to just have a very basic page linking to all our resources
[23:08] <jledbetter> o/
[23:08] <pleia2> I mean, essentially that's what we have now, since i moved all but the front page the static content to the wiki
[23:09] <pleia2> we just want something that looks nicer, maybe with pictures (we do have rights to our own pictures, and all those from the contest) and our new logo
[23:09] <pleia2> jledbetter: I'm not sure if that's a wave or a raised hand, if it's the latter please feel free to jump in, no need to wait for turns :)
[23:09] <jledbetter> pleia2, wave, sorry, was working and catching up :)
[23:10] <AlanBell> I would suggest doing it all in the wiki
[23:10] <pleia2> ok gotcha, just didn't want to miss anyone
[23:10] <pleia2> AlanBell: getting rid of a website, redirecting ubuntu-women.org to wiki?
[23:10] <AlanBell> yup
[23:11] <pleia2> that's certainly a possibility, the only downside is the very limited control we have over wiki theming (right now: none)
[23:11] <AlanBell> pages like this show the wiki can do pictures inline that look nice http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Resources
[23:11] <pleia2> anyway, this is the project that elky is heading up so I don't want to get into it too much without her being here
[23:11] <AlanBell> fair point
[23:12] <pleia2> I also need to identify some pages that need to be rewritten, the front page certainly
[23:13] <pleia2> I think that's pretty much it for the blueprint update
[23:13] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Proposal to adjust meeting times based on new members - doodle poll?
[23:13] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Proposal to adjust meeting times based on new members - doodle poll?
[23:13] <pleia2> hypatia: this one is yours :)
[23:13] <czajkowski> ohh yes can we change this time
[23:13] <czajkowski> as its really bad for most folks
[23:14] <pleia2> I believe these times were selected by the last doodle poll, so presumably it averaged out as being the best for the majority
[23:14] <czajkowski> really?
[23:14] <pleia2> so the new members thing was brought up, maybe time to reanalyze
[23:14] <AlanBell> it is quarter past midnight across most of europe
[23:15] <pleia2> AlanBell: and it's 3PM during my work day for me :)
[23:15] <jledbetter> But there are 2 meeting times already.
[23:15] <pleia2> I kinda resign myself to the fact that it's going to be lousy for me due to my time zone though
[23:16] <pleia2> anyway, time to do another doodle poll?
[23:16] <czajkowski> well for over here it's either VERY early in the working morning for folks in EU or midnight
[23:17] <czajkowski> so we kinda get fecked either way tbh
[23:17] <czajkowski> but +1 doodle poll please
[23:17] <pleia2> czajkowski: yes, and it's either the middle of the night for me, or during work
[23:17] <pleia2> ah time zones :)
[23:17] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye ther is no optium time I know
[23:17] <pleia2> who wants to set up the doodle poll?
[23:17] <Dolasilla> +1 for doodle poll
[23:18] <czajkowski> but it'd be nice to get a post work time slot for both EU and USA to accomodate the majority of members
[23:19] <pleia2> the early morning time was trying to cater to our asia-au folks
[23:19] <pleia2> like one of our new leaders :)
[23:19] <Pendulum> one thing is that the last doodle poll was done before everyone switched to DST
[23:19] <Pendulum> which I think caused some of the problems
[23:19] <jledbetter> Ah, didn't think of that. Wouldn't hurt to do another doodle poll so +1
[23:20] <pleia2> can we get a volunteer to set it up?
[23:20]  * pleia2 todo list already tooooooo long
[23:20] <czajkowski> I can set it up
[23:20] <pleia2> thanks czajkowski :)
[23:20] <czajkowski> do we use 5 days or 7 just to let me know ?
[23:20] <pleia2> [ACTION] czajkowski to set up doodle poll for team meetings
[23:20] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  czajkowski to set up doodle poll for team meetings
[23:20] <pleia2> czajkowski: I'd say 5
[23:20] <czajkowski> grand job
[23:21] <pleia2> I've never seen very much success with weekend meetings
[23:21] <czajkowski> aye only ever seen the IRCC doing it
[23:21] <pleia2> yeah, and I'm always outside playing during their meetings
[23:21] <pleia2> hehe
[23:21] <hypatia> thanks for taking that on, czajkowski
[23:21] <czajkowski> not a bother I'll do one up and poke ye with it
[23:22]  * czajkowski loves doodle
[23:22] <pleia2> czajkowski: once we get the results we can talk about how we want to split it, maybe pick two most popular times that are hopefully not right next to each other or something
[23:22] <pleia2> split it == assign meeting times for 2 meetings per month
[23:22] <czajkowski> that's yer call I'll sort doodle out
[23:22] <pleia2> great
[23:22] <pleia2> ok... so
[23:23] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Reminder to update ReportingPage for July
[23:23] <pleia2> If anyone wants to add to it, please do! http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage
[23:23] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Reminder to update ReportingPage for July
[23:23] <pleia2> if you can't edit the page, say so and we'll add you to the EditorGroup on the wiki (I asked canonical to open it back up to all of LP, but still waiting on them)
[23:24] <czajkowski> pleia2: daft question should I add my talking on Ubuntu women at leeds to the reports page
[23:24] <pleia2> that's pretty much it agenda-wise, anyone have any announcements?
[23:24] <pleia2> czajkowski: yes, that'd be great, with link to slides!
[23:24] <czajkowski> ok
[23:25] <Pendulum> pleia2: any problem with my mentioning the accessibility team survey?
[23:25] <pleia2> Pendulum: no, please do
[23:25] <Pendulum> The Accessibility Team is working on a survey of people with impairments/disabilities so that we can create some personas to give to designers and developers
[23:26] <Pendulum> the survey and more information can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Survey and http://access.libertus.co.uk/
[23:27] <pleia2> thanks Pendulum :)
[23:27] <pleia2> any others?
[23:28] <pleia2> any other comments, bright ideas or anything else before we wrap up the meeting?
[23:29] <czajkowski> oh
[23:29] <czajkowski> yes
[23:29] <czajkowski> is there  a list of current mentees?
[23:29] <czajkowski> is that a word even
[23:30] <czajkowski> folks that are looking to be mentoring and are being mentored
[23:30] <pleia2> no, we haven't really kept track of that
[23:30] <pleia2> some folks don't want it publically know that they're being mentoried, so we've shyed away from a formal process for tracking it
[23:30] <czajkowski> oh ok
[23:30] <pleia2> it's certainly something we can discuss though, nothing is set in stone
[23:30] <czajkowski> I was gonna say it'd be nice to see who we are helping and then others might be encouraged to help and ask for help
[23:31] <pleia2> I agree
[23:31] <czajkowski> I only ask as I'm helping someone
[23:31] <pleia2> I'll take this into consideration when I start rewriting the docs, maybe it's something we can ask our mentees
[23:32] <czajkowski> and it'd be nice to see others who are helping, like I asked yesterday a list of things to do
[23:32] <pleia2> the beginners team has open mentoring, not sure how bugsquad and such do it
[23:33] <pleia2> thanks for bringing this up, I'm also working with BT to collect a list of mentoring projects within ubuntu
[23:34] <pleia2> thinking of putting together wiki.ubuntu.com/Mentoring or something that both UW and BT (and Youth? and others?) can use
[23:34] <jledbetter> BT?
[23:34] <IdleOne> beginners-team
[23:34] <jledbetter> Thanks
[23:34] <pleia2> beginners team
[23:36] <pleia2> anything else?
[23:38] <pleia2> ok, I think it's time to wrap things up then, thanks for coming everyone :)
[23:39] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[23:39] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 22:39.
[23:40] <IdleOne> thank you.
[23:41] <AlanBell> mentees is a real word, I wondered about it myself some time ago
[23:45] <czajkowski> Thanks
[23:49] <jledbetter> Thank you pleia2
[23:51] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/20100722
[23:51] <pleia2> there, all prettified
[23:53] <pleia2> and it looks like we had a surveymonkey poll for the last time we decided this (it's linked in our header to "vote") but it's closed
[23:53] <pleia2> once we have the doodle poll we'll update the link


[07:25] <wahlsieger> how do I change the window manager in xubuntu?
[07:27] <ochosi> wahlsieger: go to settings-manager > window-manager > choose a different theme from the list
[07:27] <wahlsieger> no, I don't want a different theme. I want compiz instead of xfwm4.
[07:27] <ochosi> i see, in that case install compiz and run "compiz --replace"
[07:28] <ochosi> but you'll also need either metacity or emerald for the window-decorations
[07:28] <wahlsieger> and put "compiz --replace" in autostart?
[07:29] <ochosi> hmwell, there are different solutions for having compiz autostarted, you can also fiddle with the session
[07:30] <ochosi> which is usually more effective, because if you throw this into the autostart, then first xfwm4 will start, and in a second step be replaced by compiz
[07:30] <ochosi> but better to search the interwebs for tutorials, i haven't done this in ages
[07:30] <wahlsieger> kk, thanks
[07:30] <ochosi> np
[08:03] <theoN^> Hi, I updated to 12.04 when it came out 2 weeks ago (or so?) on my pc and laptop ... on my pc everything went smoothly but on my laptop however I ran into a problem where I get stuck at the loading screen (right before the login screen) ... no matter how long I wait, it won't go any further than that. What should I do to fix this? I've been getting by with a dual boot for the last weeks, but I really need to fix it actually
[08:17] <astraljava> theoN^: Can you hit Ctrl + Alt + F1 while it's loading, and see the console printout? Alternatively, you could change grub boot parameters and set 'nosplash' and lose the 'quiet' from it to have more information about the boot process.
[09:21] <xubuntu789> necesito ayuda
[09:21] <ochosi> !es
[09:24] <cousteau> hi, is there a way to change the behavior of the Caps Lock key?  e.g. set it to behave as a Compose key
[09:24] <ochosi> you mean globally or app-specific?
[09:27] <cousteau> globally
[09:28] <cousteau> CapsLock is a useless key imo and I might find a better use of it if it were a compose key
[09:32] <aquix> I know how to disable caps lock.  what is a composekey btw?
[09:33] <cousteau> well, it's a key that allows you to generate different characters by composing 2 characters
[09:34] <cousteau> for example, I think the sequence   Compose, /, o   generates an ø
[09:34] <aquix> ah, ok       I'm norwegian, I allready have an ø Ø    :)
[09:35] <cousteau> yeah, well, I don't but I have AltGr-o for that
[09:35] <aquix> think you might have to  use xmodmap, but don't know how.   For just disbling caps lock the command is: /usr/bin/setxkbmap -option "ctrl:nocaps"
[09:36] <cousteau> actually I have lots of nice characters in AltGr-something not in Windows  :)
[09:37] <aquix> windows? what is that? don't understand
[09:37] <aquix> coffee..brb
[09:37] <cousteau> it's an esoteric operating system used at work and that is pre-installed in some computers so that you can download linux
[09:39] <cousteau> which reminds me...  time to tweak my keyboard distribution.  Any tip on who should I contact for suggestions on my distribution?  freedesktop maybe?
[09:45] <cousteau> hmm, weird, xubuntu ignores my mouse pointer settings.  Hand and I use the whiteglass theme but the normal arrow pointer doesn't
[09:45] <cousteau> (actually it does on Firefox)
[09:45] <cousteau> (but not on the rest of programs)
[09:45] <cousteau> ...oh, it does on the desktop
[09:45] <aquix>  yeah, I have had troubles with that on some distros. use the command:    sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme
[09:46] <aquix> might have to log out and in too
[09:46] <cousteau> there are 6 alternatives
[09:47] <cousteau> ...oh, I just select the theme I like
[09:47] <aquix> I usually use the kde mouse pointer, and they work in everything except firefox before I set it in gui and use the command.
[09:47] <cousteau> (guess this is a system-wide option rather than a user-wide, but ok)
[09:48] <aquix> not sure. only have one user.
[09:48] <cousteau> don't feel like restarting GUI now...  will see if it worked later
[09:50] <cousteau> it's easy.  Uses sudo?  yes: system wide; no: user wide;  end
[09:53] <aquix> haven't thought about it that way..    hmm
[09:56] <aquix> but when I do, your right
[12:46] <Fab__> Hi there
[12:48] <Fab__> I'm on a laptop, a bit old, 2004-2005, with 1Go RAM, 1,4Ghz processor and still I can't play videos properly, either with VLC, Parole, or SMPlayer, could someone help me fixing it please?
[12:50] <aquix> have you installed the video card drivers?
[12:51] <joeythesaint> What's the problem?  Maybe you don't actually have the required codecs for the videos?
[12:51] <aquix> vlc eats them all
[12:52] <joeythesaint> FWIW, I've never had what I would consider good performance out of the flash video on Youtube back in the day.
[12:52] <joeythesaint> HTML5 has made life considerably better on that front.
[12:53] <aquix> flash is a pain alright
[12:54] <Sysi> that CPU might not be capable
[12:57] <joeythesaint> Dunno, that sounds similar to my Dell Mini 10 and it plays most anything I throw at it.
[12:58] <joeythesaint> Maybe the N410 is that much more capable, not sure.
[12:59] <aquix> we played videos on laptops in 2001. and 1,4Ghz isn't that bad. I'm guessing he needs drivers for his gfx
[13:18] <Fab__> sorry I don't know, where could I get the best drivers? and I'm a total noob at Linux/Xubuntu
[13:19] <Fab__> videos used to play  pretty ok when on Win XP so, yeah I gues the material isn't what's causing this
[13:19] <Fab__> and sorry for the delay, I was reading sth else
[13:21] <Fab__> And the exact problem is : the audio seems fine but video is all slowed down and sort of laggy, with "jumps"
[13:23] <Fab__> It's a HP Compaq nx7010 if that may help
[13:26] <PhorceP> Using Xubuntu 12.04 and I want to either switch to lightdm-gtk-greeter or just eliminate the need to login, but when I switch to it in lightdm.conf X doesn't start.
[13:36] <aquix> Fab__  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNX7010
[13:36] <aguitel> Fab__, read :http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debiannx7010
[13:37] <Fab__> allright I'm gonna read that, TY guys
[13:38] <aquix> I guess it an ati card, allways fun.
[13:39] <Sysi> old ati is better than old nvidia
[13:39] <aguitel> yes it need fglrx
[13:43] <Fab__> Ok, so first link tells me everything's fine between my laptop and Xubuntu
[13:50] <Fab__> what's fglrx actually?
[13:51] <baizon> that are the amd closed source video driver
[13:51] <baizon> !info fglrx
[13:52] <Fab__> yeah but Its for AMD grahic cards
[13:52] <baizon> yes it is
[13:52] <baizon> dont have to use it when you dont have an amd card :)
[13:53] <Fab__> actually I'm not 100% sure what card I have, I'm a total noob, told you, but from what I remember I have an ATI Radeon
[13:54] <baizon> Fab__: lspci
[13:54] <baizon> or install a tool that shows the information about your hardware
[13:56] <aquix> AMD bought ATI some years back.
[13:56] <Fab__> yeah it's ATI
[13:56] <Fab__> oh ok
[13:56] <Fab__> I didn't even know ATI was with AMD
[13:56] <Fab__> so I need to install & run flgrx
[13:57] <aquix> Fab__  could you install inxi real quick?        in terminal            sudo apt-get install inxi
[13:57] <Fab__> doing it right now
[13:58] <aquix> cool, I'll show you something when done
[13:58] <Fab__> E: impossible to find the package
[13:59] <aquix> hmm. xubuntu 12.04?
[13:59] <Fab__> yup
[13:59] <aquix> it's in the repos. try software center or synaptic
[14:00] <aquix> btw   inxi is a cool   terminal program that shows system information
[14:02] <aquix> 5 min smokes
[14:04] <Fab__> synaptics doesn't find it
[14:07] <aquix> ok no worries
[14:07] <aquix> try this instead, type here in chat        /exec  lspci | grep VGA
[14:11] <Fab__> typed it, nothing came out of it
[14:12] <aquix>  /exec  lspci | grep VGA
[14:13] <aquix> too many spaces, try this   and no space infront of the /                          /exec  lspci | grep VGA
[14:13] <Fab__> in terminal i get sth, not here, you want that?
[14:13] <aquix> paste it here in the chat
[14:14] <Fab__> cant copy/paste from terminal, apparently, but I can give  the info
[14:14] <aquix> paste this           /exec  lspci | grep VGA
[14:15] <Fab__>            /exec  lspci | grep VGA
[14:15] <aquix> and now with no space in front
[14:15] <Fab__> even on deleting the spaces, nothing happens
[14:16] <aquix> paste it like it is but with no spaces in front of /exec          /exec  lspci | grep VGA
[14:16] <aquix> or xchat can't know it's a commans
[14:16] <Pici> not every irc client supports /exec
[14:17] <Fab__> I pasted it the way you told me, just nothing happens
[14:17] <aquix> what irc client do you use?
[14:17] <Fab__> fabien@fabien-Compaq-nx7010-DJ342T-UUG:~$ lspci | grep VGA 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01)
[14:17] <Pici> They're using the freenode webchat.
[14:18] <Pici> !pastebinit
[14:18] <Pici> ^ That might be helpful in the future.
[14:18] <Fab__> now ok, I changed terminal, and I can copy/paste
[14:18] <Fab__> so you have the result I get
[14:22] <phunyguy> #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:22] <phunyguy> fail
[14:23] <aquix> try   /j in front
[14:23] <magnus> ;)
[14:26] <aquix> Fab__   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[14:29] <aquix> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Precise_Installation_Guide#Installing_Proprietary_Drivers_a.k.a._Catalyst.2Ffglrx
[14:30] <Fab__> I'm DLing fglrx
[14:31] <aquix> hope it works..  :p
[14:31] <aguitel> Fab__, sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
[14:32] <aguitel> Fab__, and then:sudo amdconfig --initial -f
[14:41] <Fab__> fabien@fabien-Compaq-nx7010-DJ342T-UUG:~$ sudo amdconfig --initial -f amdconfig: No supported adapters detected
[14:42] <aguitel> Fab__, with the first step ,any errors?
[14:46] <Fab__> no
[14:47] <Fab__> first step went fine
[14:51] <aguitel> take a look in xorg.conf
[14:53] <aguitel> Fab__, try restarting
[15:00] <Fab__> where's xorg.conf? cant open it from terminal command
[15:02] <aguitel> Fab__, first time in ubuntu?
[15:02] <Fab__> yep
[15:03] <Fab__> in any open source OS as a matter of fact
[15:03] <aguitel> need to read some things before make change in the system
[15:03] <Fab__> I'm all ear
[15:03] <aguitel> is better for you to understand how ubuntu works
[15:04] <aguitel> xorg is part of x windows system
[15:04] <Fab__> sure I'm working on it, but there's so much
[15:04] <aguitel> yes
[15:04] <aguitel> but everybody make one time in the live
[15:05] <Fab__> I know there's a Xorg or Xvesa system (learnt it from PupLinux Live-CD)
[15:06] <Fab__> thing is I know nothing at all :p (almost)
[15:07] <aguitel> Fab__, sudo leafpad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[15:07] <aguitel>  and pastebin
[15:07] <Fab__> I need to type pastebin?
[15:08] <Pici> xorg.conf no longer exists in a default (x)Ubuntu install. xorg will honor your settings if you put them in there though.
[15:08] <Fab__> the file isn't empty, cause yesterday some guy here already tried to help me but couldn't finish before it was too late
[15:08] <Pici> Fab__: okay :)
[15:09] <aguitel> Fab__, make in terminal: sudo aticonfig --initial
[15:09] <Fab__> there's this Section "Device"     Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon R250 Lf [Radeon Mobility 9000 M9]"     Driver          "ati"     # Hyödyllisiä kaikille ATI/AMD-korteille     Option "AccelMethod" "EXA" # ilman tätä käytössä on ati-ajurilla toistaiseksi vanhempi XAA     Option "DynamicClocks" "true" # virransäästöominaisuus joka ei ole oletuksena kytketty tällä hetkellä päälle     # Seuraavat vain Mobilit
[15:09] <Fab__>  done
[15:10] <aguitel> Fab__, any error?
[15:10] <Fab__> actually no, since nothing happens
[15:10] <aguitel> Fab__, need to restart
[15:10] <Fab__> nothing I can see at least
[15:10] <Fab__> ok
[15:11] <Fab__> restart the whole computer, not just the session?
[15:11] <aguitel> Fab__, whole
[15:11] <Fab__> ok brb
[15:17] <Fab__> I'm back
[15:17] <aguitel> i see
[15:17] <aguitel> any errors
[15:19] <Fab__> As I haven't run anything, nope, not yet :p But I can try a video to see if there's any improvement
[15:20] <aguitel> try video
[15:20] <Fab__> Oh gosh it's fine
[15:20] <Fab__> ty !
[15:20] <Fab__> It's just as perfect as it should be
[15:20] <aguitel> ok
[15:21] <Fab__> but... I haven't entirely understood what I did, so... just in case the same problem would happen again, could you repeat? :p I think I might write this down somewhere
[15:22] <aguitel> need to read ubuntu/debian wiki about your video card
[15:22] <aguitel> wait
[15:23] <Fab__> ATI Radeon RV 250 is what I have
[15:27] <aguitel> Fab__, do you know ubuntu is based in debian?
[15:28] <aguitel> may wiki page from debian are working in ubuntu
[15:28] <Fab__> heard something like that but I dont know what Debian is actually
[15:28] <aguitel> this is one:http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
[15:28] <aguitel> debian is ubuntu less frendly
[15:29] <aguitel> that is ok ?
[15:30] <aguitel> Fab__, try to not change anything in the notebook until you read and understang what are doing
[15:30] <naDah> so my installation started to act weird this morning, 45 minutes ago it totally went haywire without me doing anything
[15:31] <naDah> good times
[15:32] <cousteau> anyone else having this bug in 12.04?  #984878
[15:32] <cousteau> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/984878
[15:32] <cousteau> ubottu, you don't say!
[15:33] <Fab__> Okay I won't touch a thing as long as it works fine
[15:33]  * cousteau was expecting the bot to recognize "#984878" as a bug id
[15:33] <aguitel> Fab__, ok
[15:33] <naDah> can't say that i have but alt + tab for cycling windows stopped working
[15:35] <cousteau> I don't know if #984878 was already fixed on Ubuntu but not Xubuntu or if it wasn't fixed at all
[15:36] <cousteau> ...maybe my server is outdated, I'm not using the main ones
[15:37] <knome> cousteau, "bug abc", where abc is bug number :)
[15:38] <cousteau> knome, yeah, managed to figure that out, thanks :)
[15:39] <cousteau> So, is anyone able to add annotations in Evince?
[15:47] <aquix> Fab__  there is a wiki for ubuntu presice http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Precise_Installation_Guide
[16:16] <cousteau> ok, so "In progress" sounds like "we are already fixing this and a fixed version will be released soon", right?
[16:17] <knome> cousteau, well, it's kind of like that, but there is not yet any promises when it's fixed, or if it is fixed at all (some issues tend to be more complex than thought, and that might mean they are postponed to future)
[16:18] <cousteau> knome, afaik the bug has already been fixed in evince, so I'd guess they only have to apply the patch
[16:19] <knome> cousteau, in that case, yeah, it should be out relative soonish. when it's "fix committed", it's really close
[16:19] <cousteau> actually the state is "GTK+: fix released; gtk+3.0: fix commited; Precise: in progress"
[16:20] <knome> :)
[16:20] <REK_007> knome: is there a way we can manually update to XFCE 4.10 ?
[16:21] <REK_007> i mean since 12.04 still new I didnt get a lot of results off google
[16:21] <knome> REK_007, the ~xubuntu-devel PPA, but remember that it is not officially supported
[16:22] <REK_007> knome: can you tell me what can go wrong at the maximum>?
[16:22] <REK_007> and can i revert back if a problem arises?
[16:22] <knome> REK_007, it can render your computer unusable. that's not expected, but the PPA is not tested, and we can't guarantee what happens when you use it
[16:23] <REK_007> okies :)
[16:23] <knome> REK_007, yeah, you are able to revert
[16:23] <REK_007> than worth a try :)
[16:23] <REK_007> then*
[18:14] <craigbass1976> in gnome and unity, I was able to mount up (via ssh) a remote directory.  Is there a gui way to do that in xfce?
[18:17] <PhorceP> craigbass1976: yes, Gigolo
[18:23] <earspliT> its also not difficult using sshfs
[18:23] <earspliT> its as simple as
[18:24] <earspliT> sshfs [user@server] [directory to mount]
[18:24] <earspliT> enter your password and go check out the folder in thunar
[18:27] <action09> hi anyone has an idea on how to get this theme ? http://voyager.legtux.org/
[18:27] <action09> please
[18:27] <action09> is it awn and some theme ?
[18:29] <action09> i mean, it is awn ..but how to get this approximatively :)
[18:31] <craigbass1976> earspliT, that's what I ended up doing.  there's a link in the dir that I'm mounting up though, (blah is a link to /var/www/blah) and so that's not working so well.  I'm guessing it's pointing at a local /var/www/blah, which doesn't exist.
[18:39] <craigbass1976> And is there a way, when hitting Open on various programs, to skip the whole Recently Used files thing and just show me what's there?
[19:21] <action09> ubuntu one is configured at installation ?
[19:21] <action09> available.. i mean
[19:25] <Unit193> You can install it, but you'd have to do it after you install the system as it doesn't come with Xubuntu.
[19:48] <action09> ok thanks
[19:48] <action09> !
[19:57] <tomasz> Hi. How can I blacklist a program from being started?
[19:58] <knome> uninstall it?
[19:58] <laite> tomasz: application menu - Settings - settings manager - session and startup - application autostart
[20:00] <tomasz> It's not there. It's "smfpd". It's installed with Samsung laser printer driver and listens for devices connected through LPT. It does LOTS of unwanted job and eats battery.
[20:01] <aguitel> remove it
[20:03] <laite> tomasz: check /etc/init.d/smfpd
[20:03] <laite> (open with text editor)
[20:05] <laite> tomasz: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1450610.html
[20:05] <tomasz> Done! Thank you :) There was info in it how to disable its execution.
[20:05] <laite> np :)
[20:11] <bipolar> Is anyone using session-wrapper in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf? I can't seem to use anything there without it dumping back to the login screen.
[20:15] <PhorceP> bipolar: if you can get lightdm to actually read lightdm.conf and reliably start on boot with lightdm-gtk-greeter then you're ahead of me
[20:17] <bipolar> PhorceP, oh, boy. Well, I have it working with a script in session-setup-script, but that runs as root.
[20:17] <bipolar> PhorceP, and I needed to use sudo on that line.
[20:18] <PhorceP> bipolar: what greeter are you using?
[20:18] <bipolar> PhorceP, greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter
[20:21] <PhorceP> bipolar: k, I just found another typo in my config so I'll get back to this later...thanks
[20:29] <PhorceP> how I can make two typos in four short lines of config is inexcusable
[20:38] <bipolar> It looks like I can drop user scripts into /etc/X11/Xsession.d to have them run as user automatically... so I don't need session-wrapper anyway. Does that help you at all PhorceP?
[20:46] <xubuntu677> xubuntu freezes on the wireless part of the installation any ideas on what to do?
[20:47] <holstein> xubuntu677: i would not use it.. just dont use internet during the install
[20:47] <holstein> use the alternate iso even if you cant "get around" it
[20:48] <xubuntu677> it still freezes when i say i dont want to enable wireless
[20:48] <holstein> xubuntu677: and the alternate iso?
[20:49] <xubuntu677> what is different about the alternate iso?
[20:49] <holstein> xubuntu677: its text based... AFAIK, it wont do anything with the wireless like that... any messages?
[20:51] <xubuntu677> wont text based be hard though? i am not experienced with linux
[20:51] <knome> xubuntu677, it asks the same questions
[20:51] <xubuntu677> will it install just the same?
[20:56] <xubuntu677> hello?
[20:56] <holstein> xubuntu677: in theory, it will actually work, and not hang up where you are having issues
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu677: try and be patient here.. its a volunteer organization :)
[20:57] <xubuntu677> okay well i will let you know thanks guys
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu677: you can turn the wireless off
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu677: disable in the bios... hit the switch.. for example
[20:59] <xubuntu677> sorry i am not really familiar with bios or linux this is my first install and i am going to have it as my only OS i will try the alternate iso and see if that works
[21:00] <holstein> xubuntu677: sure.. do what you feel comfortable with
[21:00] <holstein> there should be a wireless switch somewhere that turns the wifi card off
[21:04] <xubuntu677> a wireless switch on the alternate install? or are you talking about the bios? sorry easily confused but i appreciate your help
[21:08] <holstein> xubuntu677: in talking about on the machine
[21:08] <holstein> if the wireless device is hanging up, dont choose to install *anything* viw wifi or othwerwise from the installer, and turn the device off
[21:09] <holstein> you can try that while you wait on the alternate iso to come in
[21:09] <xubuntu677> yes i know it is disabled already still freezes going to try the alternate iso :)
[21:09] <holstein> xubuntu677: the hardware is disabled?
[21:10] <holstein> xubuntu677: are you certain?.. its unlikely the wifi is "freezing" the install if there is no wifi
[21:10] <xubuntu677> i am certain it normally has a light but i turned it off by hitting FN and the wireless symbol
[21:10] <holstein> xubuntu677: then, id say you have another situation... are you able to get to the desktop live?
[21:11] <xubuntu677> yes i am able to get it live this also happens with ubuntu
[21:11] <holstein> xubuntu677: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[21:11] <holstein> xubuntu677: you should expect the same performance from the same kernels no matter what the DE is
[21:12] <xubuntu677> oh okay i think it may be due to my HDD
[21:12] <holstein> similar performance, .. the same hardware support
[21:12] <holstein> xubuntu677: yup.. HDD or memory... you should be albe to test both from the live CD
[21:13] <xubuntu677> well first i will try the alternate then test from the live cd
[21:13] <xubuntu677> how will i know what is wrong from the live cd?
[21:13] <holstein> xubuntu677: you can run a memory test, and a hard drive test
[21:14] <xubuntu677> i know but how will i know if there is a problem after the test?
[21:14] <holstein> xubuntu677: you can read the results, and interpret the data... usually it says something like "bad" or "failed".. something with english words that are rather helpful
[21:15] <xubuntu677> okay thanks very much
[21:16] <xubuntu677> now its freezing after pressing enter on the install xubuntu on the alternate disk
[21:17] <holstein> well, there are several "constants" that i see... the internet you are using to download, the optical drive, and the machine you are putting it on
[21:17] <holstein> you could be downloading bad images
[21:17] <holstein> !md5
[21:17] <ChristopherNG> hey folks whats going on here
[21:18] <holstein> you could have bad hardware, USB stick or optical drive... whatever you are using to install
[21:19] <xubuntu677> okay i will try burn another disc?
[21:22] <xubuntu677> anybody know any good software to burn an iso on windows?
[21:22] <holstein> xubuntu677: i would confirm the md5 sum
[21:22] <xubuntu677> windows xp
[21:22] <holstein> !md5 | xubuntu677
[21:32] <boromir> Hi. Have anyone noticed that Xubuntu 12.04,run a little bit slower than Ubuntu on newer hardware?
[21:33] <holstein> boromir: i have not...
[21:36] <PhorceP> ok, fixed the problem with lightdm-gtk-greeter not starting by manually starting lightdm with the correct config in place.  I think this is an artifact of updating from xubuntu 10.10 to 12.04 (and the versions between)
[21:37] <boromir> holstein_, i have that problem,it freeze some times,and i can see the difference  on ubuntu, ubuntu didn't freeze not one until now
[21:37] <PhorceP> and even when it wasn't working (before I realized I needed to manually start lightdm) it WAS reading the config file because it would work when I switched the greeter
[21:38] <holstein> boromir: xubuntu is ubuntu... are you talking about ubuntu 12.04 and xubuntu 12.04? it would be more likely you are using/booting 2 different kernels and getting differnt results rather than DE's
[21:40] <boromir> holstein_,same kernel ,3.2.0-24 i think on same laptop,dual boot xubuntu and ubuntu 12.04
[21:44] <holstein> boromir: then i would look for another reason.. some pacakge or module.. or graphics driver.. unity vs. XFCE is not plausible to me
[21:44] <holstein> package*
[21:47] <boromir> holstein_,xfce supposed to be faster than gnome shell desktop environment,so need to be faster,2*core cpu,4gb ram is fast,  Thanks for your answers
[22:15] <xubuntu614> can anybody help me? i have been having trouble installing xubuntu because it kept freezing on the wirless step of the installation so it was suggested to use the alternate iso which i have done and it worked for a few steps but after i entered my password of choice i am just stuck with a blue screen?
[22:23] <tom__> i am having trouble installing xubuntu it even freezes using the alternate ISO
[22:26] <Lachezar> Hello all... I can't blank a CD-RW and I can't burn an ISO image under xubuntu with xfburn. How come?
[22:30] <David-A> Lachezar: what does it say the problem is? you did "burn img" and not "compose data cd"? you selected the right device (if you have two)?
[22:52] <Lachezar> David-A: Both 'Butn Image' and 'Blank CD-RW' are grayed-out.
[22:53] <Lachezar> I had to resort to log-out, and use cdrecord from the text terminal to complete the job...
[23:08] <Gurrag> 2 questions: "Is there any way to make the window resize border on greybird-compact theme more than 1px?" and "How do I get the `Window Buttons` panel item to respect my panel width and not overflow off the side?"
[23:13] <Gurrag> lol okay "design decision" it was, re: question 1
[23:30] <Gurrag> brb, heading home
[23:52] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to switch users?  Right now, my wife and I lock the screen, the select new login from the pop up that happens when we move the mouse.
[23:53] <David-A> There is a "User switch" panel applet.
[23:57] <craigbass1976> David-A, I don't see it
[23:58] <ChristopherNG> craigbass1976: can you please help me
[23:59] <craigbass1976> ChristopherNG, perhaps.  WHat are you after?
[23:59] <ChristopherNG> craigbass1976: i need help trying to secure my ports
[23:59] <ChristopherNG> brb
[23:59] <craigbass1976> ChristopherNG, they should be fairly secure from the get go, as long as you don't have a bunch of services running