[00:29] <troseph> _MMA_, did you see the new DIY gdm? Is that more what you were thinking?
[00:31] <troseph> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/DIYConcept/GDM
[00:31]  * _MMA_ looks.
[00:31] <troseph> :)
[00:33] <_MMA_> Looking very cool. I will say however that the concept has been delayed from being used in Hardy. I will email you what Im working on now. It more in line with your original but might need some tweaks. That is, if you still wanna do it. :)
[00:35] <troseph> _MMA_ yes sir. You've got my help. :) And on that note, let me know what you think of this one: http://ubgdm.notlong.com
[00:35] <_MMA_> troseph: And I prefer you not make them that public (on Deviantart) until we decide whats gonna be used. I dont wanna throw everything out there only to release 5 months later and its stale.
[00:35] <Toma-> heh
[00:35] <troseph> _MMA_ sounds good.
[00:37] <_MMA_> troseph: I like the layout but the background images will need some work. I'm trying to use more photography. Im waiting on some emails but Ill send you what Im currently working on so you can get a better idea. Ill do that tomorrow as Im doing the family thing atm.
[01:39] <Toma-> _MMA_➔ are you still around?
[01:39] <_MMA_> kinda.
[01:39] <_MMA_> Just for a second.
[01:39] <Toma-> still working on a punk thing right?
[01:40] <_MMA_> Yes, but it wont make Hardy.
[01:40] <Toma-> OK.
[01:40] <Toma-> im ripping Glossy P to shreds and making a pixmap based gtk theme
[01:40] <Toma-> just for the hell of it
[01:40] <_MMA_> ok.
[01:40]  * _MMA_ goes back to the family.
[01:40] <Toma-> :P
[01:45] <troy_s> kwwii: WTF are you doing with the trash applet in the upper panel?
[01:50] <_MMA_> Stealing my ideas.
[01:50] <_MMA_> :P
[01:52] <_MMA_> Though, I cant actually find a pic where he does it.
[01:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: It was shite.
[01:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: The point is that with AWN you don't need one. ;)
[01:53] <_MMA_> You can have it on your own shite-assed desktop. We ain't shipping it. But you are gonna do my new Usplash. :P
[01:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: I only do usplashes of the things I do the rest of.  Besides, to be absolutely honest, I would not know where to start brainstorming a usplash for it -- well at least until the wallpaper came along.
[01:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: I honestly don't think the photos are the way to go for DIY... you have such a rich opportunity to capitalize on the silhouetted shapes trend and mix it up with DIY -- the result should be pretty stellar.
[01:55] <_MMA_> I already have a mock-up you control-freak.
[01:56] <_MMA_> troy_s: I told you I dropped DIY for Hardy. Photo use isnt for DIY.
[01:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: Animatic?
[01:56] <troy_s> _MMA_: And I had no idea you dropped DIY
[01:57] <troy_s> _MMA_: When did that happen and why?  There is still quite a bit of time and (icons aside) I can see no reason why it wouldn't be doable.
[01:57] <_MMA_> huh? We talked about it.  I _know_ I cant make it happen now. I simply dont have the time doing it pretty much by myself.
[01:59] <_MMA_> Hey, there's wedderbiscuit.
[01:59] <wedderburn> tis :), hows the art going in US?
[01:59] <_MMA_> Slowly.
[02:00] <_MMA_> DIY has been dropped due to my art team abandoning me.
[02:00] <_MMA_> But will continue to be developed for Hardy+1.
[02:00] <wedderburn> you got a new art team?
[02:00]  * _MMA_ looks around.
[02:01]  * _MMA_ then points at himself.
[02:01] <wedderburn> lol
[02:01] <wedderburn> oh daer
[02:01] <wedderburn> dear**
[02:02] <troy_s> _MMA_: Sooooooooooooooooooooo in the vacuum of style, where are you now and where is this 'mock'?
[02:02] <wedderburn> i didn't think the DIY look was going to go down well
[02:02] <_MMA_> troy_s: Ill send you the mockup and my theme.
[02:03] <_MMA_> wedderburn: It will go over fine.
[02:03] <Toma-> put it on the wiki?
[02:03] <_MMA_> *When* I get it done.
[02:04] <troy_s> wedderburn: Yeah I don't think I could disagree with you more on that point.  DIY is almost the perfect pairing for something as 'underground' and 'rebellious' as Ubuntu Studio and the audience that would potentially be able to maximize use from it.
[02:05] <_MMA_> wedderburn: Its just sad you bailed on me over it. I was sure from the moment you left that was why. Too bad you just didnt say.
[02:05] <darkmatter> troy_s: bah
[02:05] <wedderburn> i left because of lack of time, also didn't like the direction it was going in, replacing the intire icon set wasn't something i was up for doing
[02:05] <troy_s> darkmatter: ?
[02:06] <_MMA_> wedderburn: I believe the latter was the real reason.
[02:06] <darkmatter> troy_s: you and you're 'buzzwords'
[02:07] <troy_s> darkmatter: Yikes.  Never knew I used buzzwords.  Unfortunately my lexicon is a little rooted in my past.
[02:09] <troy_s> _MMA_: I chatted with the guy who did these folders (which in my opinion are damn terrific) http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=38254&file1=38254-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Some+more+SVG+Icons
[02:10] <darkmatter> troy_s: yeah "underground' and 'rebellious' is something I dont really id with ubuntustudio. its just another studio. just minus the need to install half the extras
[02:10] <troy_s> _MMA_: they are elegant (subtle curves here and there and the outright avoiding of that shitey outline trend) and quite beautifully crafted.
[02:11] <_MMA_> darkmatter: Then you wouldnt be our target audience. ;)
[02:11] <troy_s> darkmatter: The belief being that realistically -- an independent band type scenario is probably one of the audience groups that would _maximize_ the work presented in Ubuntu Studio.
[02:11] <_MMA_> troy_s: Those are _very_ nice.
[02:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: Goes to show you what a default folder can do for your desktop.
[02:12] <troy_s> _MMA_: Of course, if it were uh... usabilitized it would end up a square at 48x48 with a big hideous glowing orange outline on it or something equally perfect.
[02:12] <_MMA_> Sure. So my current plan was to help with Ubuntu's icons and branch from there.
[02:13] <wedderburn> so you take a niche and slice it into another niche by having a desktop that would appeal to only a small % of users
[02:13] <troy_s> wedderburn: Hardly.  You take a massive number of people who don't have a fecking clue what is available and present it to them in a visual styling that is contemporary and probably speaks to their independence.
[02:13] <_MMA_> wedderburn: I'm for taking chances. That what the DIY thing is for sure. In any case, people can change the theme.
[02:14] <troy_s> wedderburn: _THAT_ attitude is the _EXACT_ shitey one that the FOSS geniuses use to further propel us into the dark ages.
[02:14] <troy_s> wedderburn: When _I_ speak of audience, I speak of the audience that doesn't use FOSS / Ubuntu.  Those are the _only_ people who matter.
[02:15] <troy_s> wedderburn: If Ubuntu is strong enough as a distribution, the current users will use it and warp it to their rather liking.
[02:15] <troy_s> wedderburn: To be honest, I could give a rat's ass about the bulk of the current users of FOSS.
[02:15] <_MMA_> troy_s: I dont agree completely but I know what you mean.
[02:16] <troy_s> wedderburn: They are (by and large minus a relativley new influx) the same people who vote the OSX clones and Ninja Manga themes to the top of gnome-look and kde-look.  It makes me laugh when people cite the voting percentage of those sites as even remotely credible.
[02:16] <Toma-> i think the DIY theme would appeal greatly to people that are stuck in the normal ubuntu/vista/mac type of themes frame of mind. something outrageous like a DIY theme would generate huge amounts of publicity. good and possibly bad. :)
[02:17] <_MMA_> troy_s: New theme idea for hardy coming at you.
[02:17] <_MMA_> (email)
[02:17] <Toma-> _MMA_➔ Whens the wiki going up? :/
[02:18] <_MMA_> Toma-: Sure, and I'm willing to take that hit.
[02:18] <_MMA_> Its already there. Just moved.
[02:18] <Toma-> thanks!
[02:18] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/DIYConcept
[02:18] <Toma-> i mean the new theme concept
[02:19] <_MMA_> Oh that, I pretty much have most of that under control.
[02:19] <_MMA_> I want to use pics for wallpapers and the like.
[02:19] <troy_s> _MMA_: You get demerits -- you didn't put it in a folder... grr.
[02:20] <_MMA_> No. It extracts to one.
[02:20] <Toma-> _MMA_➔ yeh about that...
[02:20] <Toma-> Would you be willing to think about a cool photo of something and have a really good manipulation of it?
[02:21] <_MMA_> troy_s: This is one we're looking at.
[02:21] <Toma-> im thinking about those old russian photoshop jobs
[02:21] <Toma-> to take something and make it incredible abstract
[02:21] <_MMA_> Toma-: Sure. Ill look at whatever from you.
[02:21] <troy_s> _MMA_: No theme dir -- cant' install via appearances.
[02:21] <Toma-> IM not very good at it but i can get some ideas rolling :)
[02:21] <_MMA_> troy_s: bah. Suck it up.
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: Trying... can't get the sucker to inst.
[02:22] <_MMA_> Extract it, then drop it in .themes.
[02:22] <_MMA_> (should extract to a folder)
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: It needs a subdir...
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: .themes/blahtheme
[02:22] <troy_s> _MMA_: which is what i am creating.
[02:22] <_MMA_> Yes.
[02:23] <_MMA_> Right-click and extracting will create a dir.
[02:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: hrm... dont' see much difference.
[02:23] <troy_s> _MMA_: although i don't have the windeco as i am running emerald.
[02:24] <_MMA_> That is one change. Turn off emerald.
[02:24] <_MMA_> The theme is alot flatter.
[02:25] <_MMA_> Highlight colors are changed. Mouse-over used to go darker. Now goes lighter. A usability issue or two fixed.
[02:25] <_MMA_> Side-by-side with the Feisty theme you would easily see it.
[02:26] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yeah ... Not familiar.  Not a huge fan of Murrine and the outline hell.  Glider is what I have been using of late.
[02:26] <_MMA_> Sure.
[02:29] <_MMA_> troy_s: This is another photo Im trying to get. http://flickr.com/photos/3rdfoundation/291470015
[02:32] <_MMA_> troy_s: And this is just a quick, simple mock-up of what I was thinking for Usplash. http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1029/ubuntustudiohardyusplasft5.png
[02:33] <troseph> that is nice
[02:33] <_MMA_> Which? I posted a couple of links.
[02:34] <Toma-> usplash looks interesting
[02:34]  * Toma- wishes you could get a theme to stay from usplash to desktop
[02:34] <troy_s> _MMA_: Surely you can do better than yet another shitey Ubuntu progress bar, no?
[02:34] <troy_s> ;)
[02:35] <_MMA_> With my limited help/experience, no.
[02:35] <_MMA_> It would be another story if its all I had to do.
[02:35] <troy_s> _MMA_: hrm...
[02:35] <Toma-> troy_s➔ can you get like a fade in effect from usplash?
[02:35] <troy_s> Toma-: Uh... you can do what you like really.  If you add in alpha blending and such yes.
[02:36] <Toma-> so usplash just piles images ontop of itself basically?
[02:36] <_MMA_> troy_s: So you gonna do it or no?
[02:38] <troy_s> _MMA_: As in eek out that progress bar?
[02:38] <troy_s> Toma-: No, you are only limited by what / how you want to do something.
[02:38] <troy_s> Toma-: Plus the obvious performance hit.
[02:38] <_MMA_> As in create a Usplash for us.
[02:39] <Toma-> i see
[02:42] <_MMA_> troy_s ?
[02:48] <troy_s> _MMA_: Sorry... with daughter.  What is the default wallpaper / theme ?
[02:49] <troy_s> _MMA_: I could certainly do something assuming I can grab onto what you are aiming for with this release.
[02:49] <_MMA_> Lemmie get what might be it.
[02:49] <_MMA_> Here's one we might ship, thought not default. http://flickr.com/photos/3rdfoundation/291470015
[02:51] <_MMA_> troy_s: This might be default.
[02:51] <_MMA_> http://flickr.com/photos/jaako/508926598/
[02:52] <_MMA_> So maybe I could show progression on a VU meter?
[02:52] <_MMA_> Thats a idea.
[02:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: Yes that was the initial thought.
[02:52] <troy_s> _MMA_: Need to think up something that seems interesting or clever and build from that.
[02:52] <_MMA_> Hmm... Ill work on that tomorrow as well.
[02:56]  * _MMA_ -> TV.
[03:20] <darkmatter> troy_s: https://www.nextgendesigncomp.com/Default.aspx
[03:21] <darkmatter> http://2006winners.nextgendesigncomp.com/Images/Entries/980/f677ad3a-fb69-4990-b9b4-1063677b3bd0/EntryKit_Compressed_Images/page_01.jpg
[05:45] <darkmatter> troy_s: design patterns hit yast http://en.opensuse.org/Image:Ycc_yoogle_start_it1.png
[05:45] <darkmatter> YOOGLE.. LAWL
[07:32] <kwwii> wow, yast still uses the logo I made like 5 years ago
[08:59] <darkmatter> kwwii: yes, but now its tangoed. so its 5 years old and meant for preschoolers ;)
[09:01] <kwwii> lol
[09:32] <darkmatter> kwwii: have you seen the Yoogle concept yet?
[09:34] <darkmatter> http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/2/21/Ycc_yoogle_start_it1.png
[09:40] <kwwii> darkmatter: yeah, I saw that
[09:40] <darkmatter> silliness
[09:42] <kwwii> I doubt that it would help anyone really get to anything faster
[09:44] <darkmatter> kwwii: indeed. I'm surprised the fella that did that mockup didn't suggest css support ;)
[09:45] <kwwii> :p
[09:46] <kwwii> do you know who made that?
[09:47] <darkmatter> nope
[09:47] <darkmatter> didn't check
[09:48] <kwwii> I probably hired the person who made that :p
[09:49] <darkmatter> LOL
[14:51] <kwwii> _MMA_: is a geek
[14:52] <_MMA_> Yep. 24" LCDs = Geeky. ;)
[15:38] <_MMA_> Quicky VU meter Usplash mockup. http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6849/vusplashmockupup1.png
[15:38] <_MMA_> (needle would sweep from left to right.)
[15:39] <Toma-> not a fan of the 2 logos
[15:39] <Toma-> looks awesome otherwise
[15:54] <kwwii> _MMA_: wow, pretty good start
[15:55] <_MMA_> Yeah.  Co. scanner
[17:05] <bersace> very low price and quality
[17:05] <bersace> finaly i send it to plustek driver developer
[17:06] <bersace> well
[17:06] <andreasn> I totally need to pay someone to fix a driver for my ScanJet scanner
[17:06] <bersace> i'll go out for skateboarding :)
[17:06] <bersace> see you soon
[18:18] <andreasn> hm, I need to learn how to do textures http://www.flickr.com/photos/jakubsteiner/2075422487/in/set-72157594445393899/
[18:19] <kwwii> wow, that looks pretty nice
[18:19] <kwwii> good to see that jakkub is learning from oxygen :p
[18:19] <kwwii> lol
[18:19] <kwwii> his ear is probably bleeding right now
[18:20] <andreasn> I assume it's totally on purpose
[18:20] <andreasn> just takes ages to draw stuff so detailed
[18:21] <andreasn> and we don't even have coverflow :)
[18:22] <kwwii> it does take much more time per icon
[18:23] <andreasn> well, if you charge your work per hour... :)
[18:24] <kwwii> lol, yeah
[22:22] <_MMA_> vUsplash update: http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/2411/vusplashmockupwi9.png
[22:28] <kwwii> look like it is getting better :-)
[22:29] <_MMA_> I *think* so. I just removed the "communication" text.
[22:29] <_MMA_> Still feels kinda sparse but they are like that. :-/
[22:30] <kwwii> seems like it needs a bit of reflection and shadow on the glass
[22:30] <kwwii> but it looks pretty cool
[22:52] <_MMA_> vUsplash update 2: http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8532/vusplashmockupaa4.png


[05:04] <FREEDOMmatters> this download link is broken, it has been like this for at least a month https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[05:04] <FREEDOMmatters> i know there is a new website, but Lubuntu.net is the first website shown on most web searches
[05:05] <FREEDOMmatters> should probably fix it or at least redirect to the new website
[06:47] <tomreyn> :) if only it was that easy
[07:30] <Pica> He probado ubuntu y xubuntu, pero nunca lubuntu
[07:30] <Pica> ¿Qué tal es?
[09:53] <Philip_b> hi
[18:33] <TrueGNULinux> I'm selling GNU/Linux licenses. $99 for single computer, $49 for each computer if purchasing 25 or more licenses. Only Bitcoin payments accepted!
[19:22] <egrain> i have an old via card. do i need to install some special drivers?


[16:38] <bobweaver> Hello there I have very weak signal on my myth box and have just made a better antenta. I am now picking up more stations but here is the thing . it starts out on channel 16-10  even though I have set the backend over and over again to start at 31-1  when it starts at 16-10 it just sits there . I can not change the channel or do anything for that matter I have to kill the pid of myth frontend to even stop it any ideas ?
[16:38] <bobweaver> sometimes I get lucky and it says   "Error opening jump program file buffer"   then there is a OK button


[00:46] <balloons> that's no fun
[14:25] <flocculant> balloons: if you happen to be about - 5 minutes of your valuable time :)
[14:25] <balloons> flocculant, fire away
[14:25] <flocculant> \o/
[14:26] <flocculant> no yakkety on packages yet - is it series - milestones before you can do anything else?
[14:26]  * flocculant is sorting stuff out for us currently :)
[14:28] <balloons> ahh, you should have the magic for that
[14:29] <flocculant> yea - just wanting to make sure that was right and I didn't explode it all over the place :p
[14:29] <flocculant> measure twice, cut once ;)
[14:32] <balloons> so yea, make a new series and a new milestone
[14:32] <balloons> then add builds
[14:33] <flocculant> balloons: ok - thanks - people can add their own builds I assume
[14:34] <balloons> for packages I usually add builds for pretty much everything -- it just carries over
[14:34] <balloons> for the 'dailies' as it were; much like the iso tracker
[14:34] <flocculant> yup
[14:34] <balloons> there could / should / was a scropt
[14:34] <balloons> *script
[14:34] <flocculant> right
[14:36] <flocculant> balloons: ok - added all the ones that had a xenial build then
[14:37] <flocculant> no testsuites though
[14:37] <flocculant> not sure what people are doing - I know that we're doing something a bit different this cycle
[15:07] <flocculant> balloons: thanks :)
[15:51] <flocculant> Kiwikaki: just so you know - while there are builds showing up against xubuntu on the iso tracker - we've not really started testing
[16:10] <Kiwikaki> flocculant: ok :)
[16:12] <flocculant> nice to see someone new about though :)
[16:15] <Kiwikaki> hehe thanks. I'll do my best to help you guys with testing :)
[16:16] <flocculant> not sure where you are looking - but xubuntu testing discussions will be on the xubuntu dev mailing list - and sometimes via our LP testing group
[16:21] <Kiwikaki> Ok thanks. I'm only on the Ubuntu qality mailing list.
[16:34] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel and https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers if you're interested in Xubuntu
[16:35] <Kiwikaki> I'm already subscribed :)
[16:45] <flocculant> :)
[17:11] <hggdh> balloons: just FYI, I put teo8976 in moderation on the ML, due to CoC issues. I have been rejecting all emails that do not conform with the CoC
[17:12] <balloons> ty
[17:48] <teward> has anyone had any issues with any of the images running fine in Live mode, but failing to run after Installed, on VMware infrastructure?
[17:48] <teward> (just noticed on Lubuntu 16.04 images)


[00:25] <fta> asac, didn't you commit the full screen flash crasher fix? it's still crashing here (3.6)
[00:36] <fta> "Well, this is embarrassing.
[00:36] <fta> Minefield is having trouble recovering your windows and tabs. This is usually caused by a recently opened web page."
[00:36]  * fta blames reed_
[00:39] <reed_> lol
[00:59] <eagles0513875> who broke what now lol
[01:18] <UnderSampled> Hello!
[03:47] <EruditeHermit> fta, asac: hey
[03:54] <gnomefreak> i think i fixed my graphics problems finally :) seems power supply was too weak to run the 2 cards i got so i got 6200
[04:02] <gnomefreak> fta2: after installing the nvidia 6200 (i should beable to use o3d with this card) it tells me i dont have plugin installed when i click on a demo. you are not here i know but let me know your thoughts
[05:36] <EruditeHermit> fta: hi, which version of nvidia cg do you include in your o3d plugin?
[06:01] <EruditeHermit> fta: I managed to get it to work with amd64
[06:01] <EruditeHermit> fta: the nvidia cg in the repositories is broken with ATI cards. You need version 2.2 to fix the bug
[06:16] <mac_v> asac> hi... when firefox updates in Jaunty, it doesnt prompt for a restart
[06:17] <mac_v> in ff3.5
[07:48] <EruditeHermit> hey is there a PPA with firefox 3.5.1 not nightly but the release?
[10:48] <om26er> hello any tell me is there a way that i remove firefox 3.0 and just install firefox 3.5 on ubuntu???
[10:49] <gnomefreak> om26er: what version of ubuntu
[10:49] <om26er> jaunty
[10:50] <gnomefreak> om26er: you should beable to remove 3.0 and install 3.5 from repos not sure if ubufox back pushed to jaunty (fixed version
[10:50] <gnomefreak> om26er: try to remove it but before you agree to it please pastebin the output
[10:51] <om26er> what output??
[10:51] <gnomefreak> om26er: and most extensions may not work
[10:51] <om26er> is there being any work on that
[10:51] <gnomefreak> om26er: open terminal than type sudo apt-get remove firefox-3.0 and paste the output to pastebin
[10:52] <gnomefreak> om26er: we can but i dont know about all but mine are set for 3.5 but they havent been pushed to repos
[10:53] <om26er> w8
[10:53] <om26er> what is the pastebin address
[10:54] <gnomefreak> om26er: extensions i mean are from jaunty repos. most from addons.mozilla should work but depends on the one you want
[10:54] <gnomefreak> om26er: paste.ubuntu.com
[10:54] <om26er> but firefox is removed
[10:54] <om26er> how come i open the site
[10:55] <gnomefreak> om26er: that is your only browser?
[10:55] <om26er> yes
[10:55] <gnomefreak> om26er: install epiphany
[10:55] <gnomefreak> om26er: install epiphany-browser
[10:57] <om26er> these three items were removed
[10:57] <om26er> Removing firefox ...
[10:57] <om26er> Removing firefox-3.0 ...
[10:57] <om26er> Removing firefox-3.0-branding
[10:57] <gnomefreak> om26er: than remove 3.0 and install 3.5
[10:58] <gnomefreak> om26er: if you are on gnome its a good idea to install firefox-3.5-gnome-support (fixes some issues on kdeas well
[10:58] <om26er> when i do that it also install firefox 3.0 fireofox 3.0-branding
[10:58] <gnomefreak> s/kdeas/kde as
[10:58] <gnomefreak> om26er: ah then no you cant remove it
[10:59] <om26er> how about a build from ppa
[10:59] <gnomefreak> om26er: just edit the menu and take 3.0 out of it
[10:59] <gnomefreak> om26er: you can try but not sure if anyone did that ffor PPA but should have
[11:01] <gnomefreak> om26er: you can try from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[11:01] <gnomefreak> no promises that it will help
[11:02] <om26er> it shud
[11:02] <gnomefreak> yes it should but i dont use security repo
[11:02] <gnomefreak> and im not on jaunty
[11:03] <gnomefreak> testing on karmic atm
[11:04] <gnomefreak> it will take too many things that i use
[11:04] <gnomefreak> om26er: i dont recommend trying it since the security repo will remove other things
[11:04] <gnomefreak> asac: ubufox still wants to be removed with firefox-3.0 << thought this was fixed in 0.8
[11:23] <BUGabundo> hey
[11:23] <BUGabundo> asac: come on!! nm0.8 doesn't pull modemmanager
[11:23] <BUGabundo> so I did a fresh install (got 0.7.1), 3g worked, set my sources.list, upgraded, lost 3G :(
[11:24] <BUGabundo> had to boot from liveusb, download the deb, chroot, install, reboot
[12:49] <BUGabundo> asac: fta: are there locolized versions of 3.5.1 ?
[12:49] <BUGabundo> users reporting lang packs from 3.5.0 are incompatible with it
[15:45] <BUGabundo> asac: I can't purge  flashplugin-installer
[15:46] <BUGabundo> asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/221207/
[16:13] <ScottK> asac: Around?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> hey ScottK
[16:14] <BUGabundo> don't thinkg so
[16:14] <BUGabundo> been trying to ping him all day
[16:14] <ScottK> BUGabundo: Thanks.
[16:17]  * ScottK was looking for an ubuntu-mir person, so I guess I'll move one.
[16:17] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:19] <fta> asac, http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/5dfbadda21300b37#
[18:20] <fta> asac, http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/5bd9d185a45f81ba#
[18:22] <BUGabundo> fta the flash grabing keyb bug is back :(
[18:22] <fta> never disappeared for me
[18:25] <BUGabundo> no?
[18:25] <BUGabundo> did for me for 2 weeks
[18:30] <fta> hm, maybe. i'm not using flash very much
[18:32] <BUGabundo> me neither
[18:32] <BUGabundo> and now on a fresh install
[18:32] <BUGabundo> flashinstaller was pulled in and won't go away :8
[18:35] <fta> asac, http://groups.google.com/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/aabc1472bf19b2f5#
[19:03] <BUGabundo> fta did you had any trouble with your mini9 wifi and jaunty?
[19:03] <fta> no mini9 here, nc10
[19:04] <BUGabundo> humm
[19:04] <BUGabundo> I remember someone say they had one
[19:04] <BUGabundo> nvm them
[19:04] <fta> asac has one
[19:05] <fta> i wanted a mini10, but it arrived too late/limited/expensive
[19:05] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:11] <mac_v> fta>  hi... when firefox updates in Jaunty, it doesnt prompt for a restart
[19:11] <mac_v> firefox3.5 that is
[19:14] <BUGabundo> mac_v: browser restart or system restart?
[19:15] <mac_v> BUGabundo~ browser restart
[19:22] <fta> i see, it's looking for a process called firefox, which is obviously wrong for 3.5 at the moment
[19:22] <fta> asac, ^^ that's one more for you
[19:22] <BUGabundo> ahhaahahahahah
[19:22] <BUGabundo> you need a ToDo list
[19:22] <fta> well, i guess i can commit a fix
[19:23] <BUGabundo> the size of this
[19:23] <BUGabundo> poor asac
[19:30] <fta> done
[19:44] <fta> mac_v, will be in the next upload
[19:47] <mac_v> fta~ nice... also the ff35 link hasnt been updated,
[19:47] <mac_v> !ff35
[19:47] <mac_v> fta~ the link doesnt mention about the firefox-3.5-gnome support package , which needs to be installed
[19:48] <fta> that's asac's blog, I can't do anything about that
[19:48] <mac_v> fta~ had spoked to asac about this, he said he would look into it , maybe he forgot
[19:50] <mac_v> fta~ ok... or maybe the link could be pointed to the mozteam's wiki  , with the info ...
[19:52] <BUGabundo> mac_v: htat '~' really messes my irc client :)
[19:52] <BUGabundo> do you really need it ?
[19:53] <mac_v> BUGabundo: better ;p
[19:53] <BUGabundo> much
[19:54] <mac_v> BUGabundo: BTW , which irc client?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> pidgin with an huge amount of plugins
[19:55] <mac_v> oh.. ok
[21:22] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 116M 2009-07-13 18:10 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090713r20481.orig.tar.gz
[21:22] <fta> -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 252M 2009-07-14 18:20 chromium-browser_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090714r20617.orig.tar.gz
[21:22] <fta> d'oh, +136 MB in one day
[21:27] <fta> gasp, 45k new files
[22:12] <fta> lol, mozilla 479898
[22:34] <e-jat> fta : http://paste.ubuntu.com/221427/
[22:35] <e-jat> ff close suddenly if i opening .pdf
[22:35] <fta> try to get a proper backtrace
[22:36] <e-jat> shiretoko closed unexpectedly while closing acroread
[22:36] <e-jat> owh ok ..
[22:36] <BUGabundo> e-jat: $ firefox-3.X -g
[22:37] <fta> start ff with -g once you have the -dbg packages installed (both ff and xul)
[22:37] <e-jat> ic .
[22:39] <e-jat> how to get the output file
[22:39] <e-jat> manually cNp ?
[22:40] <e-jat> manually copy n paste ?
[22:40] <fta> the instructions are on the wiki, don't remember the url, i'm not much into bugs myself
[22:41] <fta> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
[22:43] <fta> hm, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ seems dead
[22:44] <BUGabundo> worked this after noon
[22:44] <BUGabundo> but some devs now compaling LP is dead
[22:44] <BUGabundo> at least brz
[22:44] <BUGabundo> so I guess its Data Center probs *again*?
[22:46] <e-jat> does we need to install all dbg package?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ahhaah
[22:47] <BUGabundo> e-jat: its *just* something like 300MiBs of packages :)
[22:47] <e-jat> package-dbg
[22:47] <e-jat> Reading state information... Done
[22:47] <e-jat> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:47] <e-jat>   firefox-3.5-dbg libc6-dbg libcairo2-dbg libgtk2.0-0-dbg libnspr4-0d-dbg
[22:47] <e-jat>   libnss3-1d-dbg libpango1.0-0-dbg xulrunner-1.9.1-dbg
[22:48] <fta> at least xul and ff, depending of where you crashes is, you may need to add more
[22:48] <e-jat> 0 upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:48] <e-jat> Need to get 91.6MB of archives.
[22:48] <BUGabundo> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.5-dbg \      xulrunner-1.9.1-dbg \      libgtk2.0-0-dbg \      libnss3-1d-dbg \      libnspr4-0d-dbg \      libpango1.0-0-dbg \      libcairo2-dbg \      libc6-dbg
[22:48] <e-jat> do i need all that ?
[22:48] <fta> youR
[22:48] <e-jat> ok .. im installingall that ..
[22:49] <BUGabundo> there really should be a metapackage for each version of FF
[22:49] <BUGabundo> asac: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[22:49] <BUGabundo> don't you agree fta?
[22:49] <BUGabundo> making it much easier to install debug packages
[22:52] <fta> BUGabundo, we discussed that a couple of times with asac, but it's still undone
[22:54] <BUGabundo> fta I know! I've been in at least two of them
[23:01] <LLStarks> where the hell is asac?
[23:01] <LLStarks> he messes with fontconfig and then skips town.
[23:06] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: true
[23:06] <BUGabundo> haven't seen all day
[23:07] <BUGabundo> (11:06:56 PM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[Identi.ca] asac: ♺ @fta: Dell on Google's Chrome OS and More: http://is.gd/1CkNQ
[23:07] <BUGabundo> last dent
[23:08] <LLStarks> how you do that?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> do what?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dents?
[23:09] <BUGabundo> I type : last asac
[23:09] <BUGabundo> on xmpp
[23:10] <BUGabundo> and it fetchs his last dent
[23:10] <BUGabundo> see help for more, err help
[23:10] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: you on identica too?
[23:10] <LLStarks> wha?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> last llstarks
[23:11] <BUGabundo> (11:10:55 PM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[Identi.ca] No such user.
[23:11] <LLStarks> last asac
[23:11] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: http://identi.ca
[23:11] <BUGabundo> its a FLOSS µblog and Social Network
[23:11] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: I said XMPP... not IRC
[23:11] <BUGabundo> eheheeh
[23:12] <LLStarks> jeez, i'm a 22yo child of the internet yet i don't know these things
[23:13] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
[23:14] <BUGabundo> you too young
[23:14] <BUGabundo> been here since I was 15 yo
[23:14] <BUGabundo> darn
[23:14] <BUGabundo> almost 14 y ago
[23:14] <BUGabundo> now I feel old.... thanks LLStarks
[23:19] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: how are you liking it ?
[23:19] <LLStarks> what?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: identica
[23:19] <LLStarks> looks nice
[23:19] <BUGabundo> what were we talking about !?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> we all are there
[23:19] <LLStarks> a poor man's twitter at first glance
[23:19] <BUGabundo> so feel free to look for us
[23:20] <BUGabundo> poor man????
[23:20]  * BUGabundo slaps LLStarks
[23:20] <BUGabundo> its supeior in almost every way
[23:20] <LLStarks> enlighten me
[23:20] <BUGabundo> its FLOSS, Federated, has groups, admins
[23:20] <BUGabundo> active developed and with public BTS
[23:20] <BUGabundo> has several XMPP gateways
[23:21] <BUGabundo> file embed
[23:21] <BUGabundo> and will support OEmbed soon
[23:21] <BUGabundo> also OAuth to come on 0.9
[23:21] <BUGabundo> need more LLStarks ?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> who's the poor man now?
[23:22] <LLStarks> m
[23:22] <LLStarks> e
[23:22] <LLStarks> that's quite impressive stuff under the hood
[23:23] <BUGabundo> forgot one new: themable
[23:23] <LLStarks> bitchin'


[00:57] <cjohnston> mornin pleia2
[00:59] <pleia2> cjohnston: manage to get some sleep? :)
[01:02] <cjohnston> YES I DID
[01:02] <cjohnston> sorry for cap fail
[01:05] <pleia2> good :)
[05:15] <nigelbabu> pleia2, I hope you got my PM earlier..
[05:55] <doctormo> hey nigelbabu
[05:55] <nigelbabu> hey doctormo
[20:43] <cjohnston> pleia2: i think we need to have a meeting re: UUD between the four of us.. just to have a quick run down of who is going to do what and such.
[20:43] <cjohnston> _marx_: Pendulum ^
[20:43] <pleia2> sounds good
[20:44] <pleia2> we need to come up with an intro
[20:44] <cjohnston> yes
[20:45] <Pendulum> definitely
[20:45] <Pendulum> when should we meet?
[20:46] <pleia2> we have a full UCLP meeting tomorrow evening at 9 EST, maybe before that?
[20:46] <Pendulum> sounds good to me. I'm not sure how much of the UCLP meeting I'll make it to, but I can definitely do earlier
[20:47] <cjohnston> i should be able to...
[20:47] <nigel_nb> what?
[20:47] <pleia2> nigel_nb: user days meeting
[20:47] <nigel_nb> ah
[20:47] <nigel_nb> can I join in?
[20:47] <cjohnston> no!
[20:47] <cjohnston> :-P
[20:47]  * nigel_nb goes to corner and cries
[20:48]  * pleia2 hugs nigel_nb
[20:48]  * Pendulum hugs nigel_nb
[20:48] <nigel_nb> aw! thanks pleia2 and Pendulum :)
[20:48] <cjohnston> im kidding of course nigel_nb
[20:48] <nigel_nb> i know cjohnston :P
[20:49] <cjohnston> before we set in stone, id like to hear from _marx_ to make sure he can make it
[20:49] <Pendulum> agreed
[20:49]  * pleia2 nods
[20:51] <cjohnston> hopefully we hear from him soon
[21:18] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: i dont remember... so i want to make sure you are ok.. you put your avail at 1800 and i have you scheduled at 1700.. is that ok?
[21:18] <nigel_nb> no problem
[21:18] <cjohnston> okie..
[21:18] <cjohnston> just wanted to make sure...
[21:18] <cjohnston> im looking over the schedule right now
[21:20] <_marx_> hi cjohnston before UCLP is good
[21:20] <cjohnston> sounds good.. thanks _marx_
[21:21] <cjohnston> pleia2 _marx_ Pendulum 8pm est tomorrow UUD Team meeting.
[21:21] <cjohnston> and nigel_nb
[21:21] <Pendulum> sounds good :)
[21:21] <nigel_nb> arrg
[21:21] <cjohnston> ?
[21:22] <cjohnston> i included you
[21:22] <nigel_nb> I'll miss it
[21:22] <cjohnston> :-(
[21:22] <nigel_nb> I'm going on vacation 2morrow ;)
[21:22] <cjohnston> after all that fuss about wanting to be there
[21:22] <cjohnston> lol
[21:22] <cjohnston> jk
[21:22] <cjohnston> im fine with moving it...
[21:22] <cjohnston> i dont care
[21:22] <nigel_nb> no, you guys meet up
[21:22] <nigel_nb> I'll read the logs
[22:23] <cjohnston> DiegoTc: the 'leadership' is having a meeting tomorrow at 8pm est...
[22:24] <cjohnston> i dont know if thats something you can make or not..
[22:24] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, nop at that time i have clases at college :(
[22:24] <DiegoTc> my last class
[22:24] <cjohnston> gotcha...
[22:25] <cjohnston> I wonder if Pablo could make it
[22:25] <cjohnston> atleast have one of you around...
[22:25] <cjohnston> would be nice
[22:27] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, i will talk with him
[22:28] <cjohnston> sounds good..
[22:28] <cjohnston> yall dont need to be here...but it would be nice if he could
[22:29] <DiegoTc> i like this idea Course Creation Process
[22:30] <cjohnston> ?
[22:31] <DiegoTc> cjohnston, talking about this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning#Course%20Creation%20Process
[22:31] <cjohnston> gotcha
[22:37] <v3rse> hello everyone
[22:38] <cjohnston> hello
[22:38] <v3rse> what is this place about?
[22:39] <nigel_nb> v3rse, creating teaching materials for ubuntu
[22:39] <v3rse> ooh ok
[22:39] <v3rse> well i'm using it right now!!!
[22:40] <v3rse> ubuntu is getting more user friend
[22:40] <v3rse> -ly
[23:23] <nigel_nb> pleia2, do u think we could get user days on uwn?
[23:24] <_marx_> good idea nigel_nb
[23:24] <nigel_nb> :)
[23:25] <nigel_nb> Pendulum, around?
[23:26] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: what's up?
[23:31] <pleia2> nigel_nb: it was last week
[23:31] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue174#Ubuntu User Days Announcement
[23:32] <nigel_nb> pleia2, i guess i missed last weeks :)
[23:32]  * _marx_ runs memtest on his brain
[23:33] <nigel_nb> pleia2, this weeks bug reports are awesome
[23:33] <nigel_nb> pleia2, -250
[23:35] <pleia2> :)
[23:35] <duanedesign> hello pleia2
[23:35] <pleia2> evening duanedesign :)
[23:36] <duanedesign> pleia2: i have made some progress oon making UCLP materials on the topic of Launchpad
[23:37] <duanedesign> i got the first section put up on my wiki for peer review
[23:37] <pleia2> duanedesign: excellent
[23:37] <pleia2> link?
[23:37] <duanedesign> pleia2: shortening some of the other sections will be a bit of a challenge but we are moving formard :)
[23:37] <pleia2> I'm not sure if you saw, but the other night I worked with doctormo to straighten out our previously mostly undocumented structure for courses: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/CourseLayout
[23:38] <duanedesign> pleia2: the lesson plan needs a bit of work. http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki
[23:38] <duanedesign> pleia2: great ill take a look
[23:39] <pleia2> which reminds me, have you seen Saj lately?
[23:39] <duanedesign> pleia2: i have not. There was a comment somewhere from him i saw
[23:40] <duanedesign> in regards to putting Education FG and UCLP on the 'back burner'
[23:40] <duanedesign> :(
[23:40] <pleia2> ah, ok :(
[23:40] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, you need to make major revisions on that lesson
[23:40] <pleia2> I hadn't heard from him and some of our ongoing Education FG things were sitting on hold
[23:40] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, we have both made the same mistakes
[23:41] <duanedesign> nigel_nb: what is that
[23:41] <pleia2> so it looks like I'll just have to pull them back into UCLP
[23:41] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, (a) in overview, it should be explanation of concepts (b) avoid using "you"
[23:41] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, check the link pleia2 gave you
[23:42] <duanedesign> pleia2: i was wondering if we should see if he is coming back soon or if maybe we should see if someone else is interested
[23:42] <duanedesign> nigel_nb: i will thanks
[23:42] <pleia2> duanedesign: I've sent him a couple emails, no response
[23:42] <duanedesign> pleia2: oh no
[23:42] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, isn't there a move for new elections for FG?
[23:43] <pleia2> we were going to have BT do some of the sections and he was leading that effort, but I think I'll have to reassign them until there is a new leader over there
[23:45] <pleia2> duanedesign: aside from needing some restructuring to fit into our documented structure, this is great material :)
[23:45] <pleia2> I'm really pleased to see that importing a gpg key is covered
[23:46] <duanedesign> pleia2: thank you. We have all the info compiled into a Google Doc. It just needs to be refined and shortened
[23:47] <pleia2> nice
[23:48]  * pleia2 wanders off to find some dinner
[23:48] <pleia2> bbiab
[23:49] <nigel_nb> pleia2, I'm hungry lol :P
[23:49] <duanedesign> nigel_nb: +1
[23:50] <duanedesign> too bad we cant order a virtual pizza and eat it here :P
[23:50] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, I can't order real either
[23:50] <nigel_nb> its 5:30 am
[23:50] <duanedesign> nigel_nb: wow
[23:50] <duanedesign> nigel_nb: just get up, or just going to sleep
[23:50] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, didn't sleep at nite
[23:51] <nigel_nb> duanedesign, will sleep by around 10 ;)
[23:55] <cprofitt> hello all
[23:56] <nigel_nb> hello doctormo :)
[23:56] <doctormo> hello nigel_nb
[23:57] <nigel_nb> doctormo, back on the other side of the pond?
[23:57] <doctormo> Yes
[23:57] <nigel_nb> hey cprofitt :)
[23:57] <cprofitt> http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki
[23:57] <nigel_nb> doctormo, good to be home? ;)
[23:57] <cprofitt> duanedesign: you interested in taking that and converting to Moodle?
[23:57] <cjohnston> doctormo: is home!!!
[23:59] <doctormo> Aye, it's good, I also got my bbc iplayer downloads set up too
[23:59] <nigel_nb> :)


[21:35] <valorie> someone needs to put back the download links for 17.10.1
 are we released?


[04:27] <retrojeff> looks like apt-xapian-index just got an update
[04:27] <retrojeff> Unpacking apt-xapian-index (0.47ubuntu4) over (0.47ubuntu3) ...
[04:28] <retrojeff> nope
[04:28] <retrojeff> bug still persists
[04:29] <retrojeff> seriously who is working on this package and did they not see the bug report
[04:55] <retrojeff> just when ubuntu gets nice and stable they shift again breaking things
[04:56] <retrojeff> the whole thing with systemd breaking su and sudo
[04:56] <retrojeff> now this
[04:56] <retrojeff> god damn it all
[05:01] <retrojeff> I do not care what anything says synaptic package manager is actually really good
[05:01] <retrojeff> what anyone says*
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:35] <CryptoSiD> initramfs-tools is broken now
[10:35] <CryptoSiD> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14048469/
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[17:05] <jjlx> Is ubuntu 16.04 going to ship with unity 8 by default?
[17:05] <nicomachus> no.
[17:05] <nicomachus> it's not ready yet.
[17:05] <nicomachus> likely by 16.10
[17:06] <nicomachus> canonical also doesn't like to stick big, new changes in the LTS releases. and unity 8 is a big change.
[17:06] <jjlx> Oh, I see. Well, an LTS release has to be stable.
[17:06] <jjlx> yeah
[17:06] <nicomachus> right. as of now, 16.04+Unity8 won't even work in a VM because they kinda forgot some drivers.
[17:07] <nicomachus> 16.04 works fine (running it now), but unity 8 is missing some drivers for hardware acceleration.
[17:07] <jjlx> nicomachus: Are there going to be any visual changes though? Or is it going to look exactly the same as it does now?
[17:07] <nicomachus> there will be some minor visual change. IIRC the main aim is convergence between desktop and mobile platforms.
[17:08] <nicomachus> there are some guys in here that are running unity 8 already... lotuspsychej for sure but it doesn't look like he's online.
[17:09] <jjlx> nicomachus: I actually tried 16.04 a couple months back... it wasn't really working properly. Must be better now...
[17:11] <nicomachus> it's pretty stable now, for the most part. still quite a few changes day-to-day, but it's getting there. Alpha release is December 31, so that's probably a good time to try it again. :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> yeah and if you're on plasma 5/KDE then the latest upgrades will break the launchers and panel widgets plus the desktop background...all this from the frameworks staging ppa, so if you're running kubuntu xenialon't use that ppa
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I'm managing to use the OS with it's problems hoping the rest of the libs come down the pipe soon
[17:28] <BluesKaj> this is all in preparation for plasma 5.5
[22:30] <retrojeff> if they fix apt-xapian-index by dec 31st
[22:30] <retrojeff> I will jump for joy
[22:30] <nicomachus> retrojeff: that's up to those devs :)
[22:31] <retrojeff> as I stated earlier they released a update to apt-xapian-index
[22:31] <retrojeff> but the bug still persists
[22:31] <nicomachus> I remember seeing you but don't remember the bug or specifics. did you file a bug report?
[22:33] <retrojeff> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/1526267/comments/7
[22:33] <nicomachus> ah ok.
[22:33] <retrojeff> so the solution was to purge software-center
[22:33] <nicomachus> ohhh right. and software center is (supposedly) going away in 16.04.
[22:34] <nicomachus> it's still in the build as of today... but alpha doesn't start for 2 more weeks so we'll see
[22:35] <retrojeff> software-center needs to be removed from the xenial repos
[22:35] <retrojeff> because it is broken
[22:35] <retrojeff> I still use synaptic package manager
[22:36] <retrojeff> and will continue to use synaptic package manager
[22:36] <retrojeff> software-center is and always was a joke
[22:36] <retrojeff> and ugly
[22:36] <retrojeff> synaptic package manager is not for noobs I get that
[22:36] <retrojeff> but us being more skilled need to know whats going on under the hood
[22:37] <nicomachus> lol, it's being replaced with GNOME's "Software" app
[22:37] <retrojeff> even synaptic package manager showing terminal output is nice
[22:37] <nicomachus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/11/the-ubuntu-software-centre-is-being-replace-in-16-04-lts
[22:37] <retrojeff> yes you linked that already
[22:37] <retrojeff> it too looks like garbage
[22:37] <retrojeff> as I stated I have and will continue to use synaptic package manager
[22:37] <nicomachus> well, sorry. keep using synaptic then.
[22:38] <retrojeff> even comments on that link people agree that synaptic is great
[22:38] <retrojeff> because it is
[22:38] <retrojeff> I have used synaptic since like 10.10
[22:39] <retrojeff> we do not need more spyware ad driven crap
[22:39] <retrojeff> these software center type things are to hand hold noobs to ubuntu
[22:39] <retrojeff> which is fine I get that
[22:40] <nicomachus> I personally think synaptic is clunky and looks like crap.
[22:40] <nicomachus> but I don't use software center either.
[22:40] <retrojeff> you use command line?
[22:40] <retrojeff> sudo apt-get etc
[22:40] <nicomachus> yep.
[22:40] <retrojeff> for me its 50/50 I use both command line and synaptic
[22:41] <retrojeff> cause in synaptic you can right click a package and change from remove to purge
[22:41] <retrojeff> or from purge to remove
[22:43] <retrojeff> I still cant even get the mysql repo to show up in synaptic
[22:43] <retrojeff> and its probley cause of this apt-xapian-index bug
[22:50] <OerHeks> retrojeff, did you tried this > "sudo rm /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/cataloged_times.p && sudo rm /var/lib/apt-xapian-index/values && sudo update-apt-xapian-index --verbose --force " from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[22:51] <retrojeff> I am waiting for the updated version of apt-xapian-index
[22:51] <retrojeff> a fix was released
[22:51] <retrojeff> we just dont have it yet
[22:51] <retrojeff> I am in PM with a maintainer now to get this resolved


[08:33] <hostingCEO> Hi what kind of marketing are you doing lately for ubuntu
[08:33] <hostingCEO> I have used it for a year
[08:33] <hostingCEO> quite impressive operating system


[00:06] <k_sze> Odd, Firefox says it is currently my default browser, but sometimes would still open links in Brave. Any idea?
[00:07] <k_sze> (not that Firefox would open links in Brave, but some other apps would.)
[00:07] <k_sze> And I see that it involves the kioclient
[00:18] <jilocasin> evening everyone
[00:20] <jilocasin> running kubuntu 20.10 here and something strange is happenening.  The display config identifies the correct monitors, but put the meny bar on the *opposite* screen that is marked as primary.  Anyone have any idea why this is happening and how to fix it?  thanks.
[09:11] <k_sze> In kubuntu 20.04, is it normal that Discover does not show packages from Snap?
[09:12] <k_sze> Even though "Snap" seems to be forcefully enabled in the settings.
 Hello
 I'm having trouble booting 20.10
 The installation is successfull but i get a BootDevice not found error
[11:49] <Guest_84> hola
[11:53] <Guest_84> hi
[11:54] <Guest_84> need some help
[11:54] <Guest_84> network related
[11:54] <Guest_84> anyone?
[12:10] <Guest_84> ?
[12:20] <lordievader> Guest_84: You might want to actually ask your question.
 Guest_84: ask your question and be patient
[12:28] <Guest_84> RUNNIG KUBUNTU UP TO DATE, AFTER LAST UPDATE, ETHERNET IS NOT WORKING ANYMORE. i HAVE TRIED SEVERAL FIXES WITH NO RESULT.
[12:35] <Quantos> Hey guys, I'm running KUbuntu 20.04.1 LTS x64 and I'm running two 27" displays from an RTX 2070 - I'm using the x.org driver (I've also tried the proprietary nVidia 455
[12:35] <Quantos> One of my displays decides that after about three minutes that it's going to sleep
[12:35] <Quantos> I've adjusted the power settings
[12:36] <Quantos> Checked the nVidia control panel
[12:36] <Quantos> I can't find anything to affect/correct this
[12:36] <Quantos> Any ideas where to start troubleshooting?
[12:36] <Quantos> Oh, the monitor menus have powersaving disabled
[12:40] <Quantos> Oh, NVM, I just double checked the monitor and it's menu had defaulted back to allowing it to sleep
[12:40] <Quantos> I think I solved it
[12:40] <Quantos> Sorry for wasting your time guys
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 Hello
[13:27] <fewhjbfhewb> Hello Guys. Is there a command to redirect the output of a command into a file AFTER the command is already executed.
[13:28] <lordievader> Not really. Unless you have it in the history of your shell which you can copy paste.
[13:30] <fewhjbfhewb> is there a history file for bash output?
[13:30] <fewhjbfhewb> i thought history is just for the commands entered by the user
[13:36] <lordievader> No, I mean if you leave the shell window open you can still see the output of previous commands. There is no output history file. (You might hack something together with `tee` but that will just be messy)
[13:37] <lordievader> Anyhow, why do you need to interact with output from previously executed commands?
[13:47] <fewhjbfhewb> thx i will just copy it then.
[18:23] <Razathorn> Regards.  I was here the other day and had asked some questions regarding SDDM starting on my raspberry pi.  I just figured I'd introduce myself since I'll be around a lot more.  I'm daily driving ubuntu 20.10 desktop on a raspberry pi 4 with the kubuntu-desktop installed.  All those aarch64 crash reports are probably my fault.  CHEERS!
[18:25] <Razathorn> I've got 10+ years of C++ on linux as well as lartc kernel development, so while it's been years since I've been daily deving C++, I figure I might be of assistance running down any of the arm stuff as I'm sure it's obvious based on apple's recent move that we'll be seeing a lot more usage on arm in the coming years.
 @Razathorn, Awesome! Looking forward to any assistance you can provide.  Thanks!
 guys anybody using mintstick on kubuntu?


[00:07] <Unit193> mapreri: 'Add new get_changes_options() function. This extracts options for dpkg-genchanges from DEBBUILDOPTS.'  That "invaliidates" the changelog entry, it'd seem.
[00:08] <Unit193> ..And I'm likely poking on the wrong network, but it's nice here. :3
[05:40] <mapreri> Unit193: -v please
[05:40] <mapreri> ...and if there is a bug would have been nice to get report of it before I uploaded .4 yesterday evening u.U
[05:44] <Unit193> mapreri: d/NEWS lists that DEBBUILDOPTS is no longer taken into account, a bit of a "Oh crap" on update.  Then you see the changelog (due to apt-listchanges) and it notes that DEBBUILDOPTS was restored, or at least that was my understanding of it.  And I only noticed when it hit my 'testing' box, so pretty much right before I pinged you. :3
[05:47] <mapreri> umh
[05:49] <Unit193> Sorry that I'm not making sense?
[05:49] <mapreri> Unit193: are you saying something like http://paste.debian.net/913124/ ?
[05:49] <mapreri> (ps: we have a #pbuilder @ OFTC)
[05:51] <Unit193> mapreri: Yep!  And didn't know that, I'm only a minor user though.
[05:52] <mapreri> ack
[05:52]  * mapreri has to go afk now
[06:00] <Unit193> Danke.  Have a good evening.