[12:13] <superm1> So its a "for now" sort of thing.  All of the mythbuntu packages that i'm submitting, i'm doing that way atm.
[12:13] <crimsun> bashelier: it's perfectly acceptable for @ubuntu.com to appear in Maintainer and there not be XSBC-Original-Maintainer, which is only applicable if the source package is in Debian.
[12:14] <bashelier> crimsun: didn't now that, thanks
[12:28] <crimsun> superm1: missing Depends on ttf-bitstream-vera
[12:28] <superm1> crimsun, didn't even anticipate that since that is installed with myth :)  Ok. i'll add it
[12:29] <crimsun> superm1: is this package a dependency of "myth"?
[12:29] <superm1> well it will be a dependency of mythbuntu-desktop
[12:29] <superm1> which does depend on ttf-bitstream-vera
[12:29] <superm1> just saying thats why i didnt catch it
[12:30] <crimsun> ok.  You should still depend on it due to mythbuntu-desktop being a simple meta.
[12:30] <superm1> right
[12:30] <superm1> i'll fix that up after work later
[12:30] <crimsun> ok.
[12:30] <superm1> thanks
[12:30] <crimsun> np
[01:26] <crimsun> Fujitsu: I believe I've isolated the missing patch for the Unknown.  It's a shame I didn't read back far enough in the SVN commit history.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> crimsun: What was it?
[01:27] <crimsun> Fujitsu: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3b75wo
[01:28] <Fujitsu> Um, so it was only updating the metadata if the state change failed? Wha?
[01:29] <crimsun> it wasn't processing all the events, apparently
[01:32] <Fujitsu> TheMuso: schroot is nice.
[01:33] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: As I have found out, while experimenting with them.
[01:33] <TheMuso> So I'm dumping my straight chroot partitions and using schroot.
[01:33] <TheMuso> So much better when it comes to testing.
[01:40] <DarkSun88> G'night
[01:45] <Fujitsu> crimsun: That fixes it! But I must leave now.
[01:45] <Fujitsu> Thanks!
[01:45] <crimsun> np
[01:45] <crimsun> I'll push it post-Tribe1
[01:46] <AndyP> this might seem like a silly question but what's the difference between the outstanding merges and the updated merges listed on MoM?
[01:46] <crimsun> ah crap, I ordered a movie ticket online and completely overlooked the time thanks to this Rhythmbox fix :-)
[01:47] <AndyP> whoops
[01:47] <jsgotangco> doh!
[01:47] <crimsun> AndyP: outstanding -> have yet to be processed since the time MoM first ran in the devel cycle
[01:48] <crimsun> AndyP: updated -> new merge versions available since the last time MoM ran in the devel cycle
[01:48] <AndyP> crimsun: got it, thanks
[01:48] <crimsun> ah, the sacrifices I make for Ubuntu ;-p
[01:51] <crimsun> ok, fixed deb + source posted at http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/rhythmbox-gutsy/
[02:03] <pochu> Good night folks!
[02:32] <Kioshen> Hi everyone, as discussed during the recent Q&A with dholbach, I'd like to help out with updating package for the soon to be released Gnome 2.19.3
[02:33] <Kioshen> I've read the recipe for updating a package on the wiki, but it doesn't explain what do I do with the resulting package afterwards
[02:34] <Kioshen> I was wondering if somebody was available to give me a little hand
[02:35] <crimsun> sure.  Can you be a bit more precise about what you intend to do "with the resulting package"?  Are you trying to compile it?
[02:36] <Kioshen> Well after I manage to update the package somehow and sign it. Where should I upload it ? To REVU ?
[02:54] <crimsun> Kioshen: if the source package already exists in Ubuntu, please file a bug against the source package using Launchpad, then attach URLs to the new source package.
[02:55] <Kioshen> okay so I'll have to setup an anonymous ftp on my home server then
[02:55] <Kioshen> Do I have to add a particular tag ?
[02:56] <crimsun> you don't have to set up an anon ftp; you may use REVU as you mentioned above.
[02:56] <crimsun> the important part is filing the bug and linking to the new source package.
[02:57] <crimsun> you don't have to use a special flag AFAIR
[02:57] <crimsun> s/fl/t/
[02:58] <Kioshen> crimsun: okay I'll search malone to find how to do it properly
[02:59] <Kioshen> crimsun: thank you :)
[03:00] <crimsun> np
[03:05] <Kioshen> Come to think of it, I guess I have to warn the current Ubuntu maintainer when I'm working on updating a package like an ITP bug for Debian ?
[03:05] <Kioshen> or the bug report is sufficient warning ?
[03:09] <crimsun> it would be courteous to mention it.
[03:13] <Kioshen> guess i'll be spaming a couple people then hehe
[03:23] <helfire> how is everyone tonight?
[03:56] <leonel> does   sun-java6 is handled  here ?
[03:58] <leonel> http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102934-1  how does this can be  patched ?
[03:59] <ajmitch> sun java is mostly handled by the java team, such as doko_
[03:59] <ajmitch> who is most likely asleep
[03:59] <ajmitch> please file a bug & mark it as a security bug
[04:00] <ajmitch> keescook: alive?
[04:00] <RAOF> I wonder if the lack of new democracyplayer bugs is due to it actually working for people other than me, or because noone's running gutsy.
[04:03] <luckyone_> hello masters of the universe
[04:03] <luckyone_> please, I beg of you - can you help me get kdenlive into the repos?
[04:03] <luckyone_> I need to make a father's day gift for my dad
[04:04] <ajmitch> sigh
[04:04] <ajmitch> people should stick around if they want things to be done
[04:05] <luckyone> hello?
[04:06] <ajmitch> hi
[04:06] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: heh
[04:06] <ajmitch> luckyone: you have a package of it that you want reviewed?
[04:08] <luckyone> ajmitch: I don't - is how to do that on the Contributing page?
[04:08] <ajmitch> yep
[04:08] <ajmitch> various things on there like the packaging guide
[04:09] <luckyone> ajmitch: the packages are availalbe here http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors-testing.html
[04:09] <ajmitch> though I see there is an 'in progress' bug
[04:09] <luckyone> ajmitch: for kdenlive?
[04:09] <ajmitch> yes, though not much info on it
[04:09] <ajmitch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/93892
[04:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 93892 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  KDenlive" [Wishlist,In progress]
[04:10] <luckyone> I am very excited about getting this - it looks much easier than Kino for newbs like me
[04:15] <AndyP> good night all
[04:21] <jussi01> good morning all!!
[04:22] <ajmitch> hello
[04:22] <ajmitch> in .au for a change?
[04:22] <jussi01australia> ajmitch: yea
[04:22] <jussi01australia> just got here yesterday
[04:22] <jussi01australia> :D
[04:22] <ajmitch> how long are you there for?
[04:22] <jussi01australia> 2 weeks
[04:22] <ajmitch> not bad
[04:23] <jussi01australia> :D anyway, got to run for a little while, heading out to do some stuff :D
[04:23] <ajmitch> bye
[04:32] <joejaxx> lionel: Congrats :D
[04:33] <leonel> ajmitch: ok  I will
[04:37] <leonel> ajmitch:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java6/+bug/115687    it's already reported but not as  a security bug
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115687 in sun-java6 "java6 update1 is released, please update" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[04:41] <ajmitch> probably because it was announced as a security problem afterwards
[04:42] <leonel> so can it be changed  as a security bug ?
[04:42] <ajmitch> yes, I've done so
[04:43] <leonel> I look but I can't see where to change it
[04:55] <superm1> crimsun, ping
[05:53] <jmg> hrm i tried to upgrade to feisty using update-manager and it failed so i am continuing with apt-get
[05:53] <jmg> so many questions from debconf :/
[06:20] <LaserJock> is anybody here running a mailing list that gets email from LP?
[06:24] <StevenK> LaserJock: Yes.
[06:25] <StevenK> LaserJock: ubuntu-universe-sponsors on lists.u.c
[06:25] <LaserJock> StevenK: is it an open list?
[06:26] <StevenK> Sort of.
[06:26] <StevenK> In fact, the only messages it gets are from LP.
[06:27] <LaserJock> hmm, my ubuntu-science list is apparently getting a lot of spam
[06:27] <LaserJock> the only reason I have it as an open list is because of LP bugmail
[06:28] <jsgotangco> you have no idea how many spam we get on the community council list ;-)
[06:28] <StevenK> We (being Hobbsee and I) had u-u-s set to "subscribers only", but this means we had to whitelist everyone manually, which was getting irriating.
[06:30] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: lots of complaints? :)
[06:30] <jsgotangco> heh wish it was complaints, its mostly about the usual insult to my manhood
[06:31] <StevenK> Ah yes, the usual spam.
[06:33] <LaserJock> StevenK: so you white list them as they come in and hopefully the list gets smaller with time?
[06:33] <StevenK> LaserJock: "had set", not anymore.
[06:33] <LaserJock> ah, so it's completely open now?
[06:33] <StevenK> I didn't say that.
[06:34] <StevenK> But I think the solution being used is not suitable for your problem.
[06:36] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:36] <LaserJock> so maybe I just need tell people to get better spam filters
[06:36] <StevenK> Heh
[06:40] <LaserJock> hmm, if you could get mailman to accept messages with an Launchpad header that'd probably work
[06:43] <LaserJock> I wish I could get this list on lists.ubuntu.com
[06:45] <Burgundavia> which list?
[06:45] <LaserJock> ubuntu-science
[06:45] <Burgundavia> then move it
[06:46] <LaserJock> heh, easier said than done
[06:53] <jussi01au> Hello again
[07:26] <Hobbsee> lionel: congratulations
[07:33] <lionel> morning
[07:34] <lionel> Hobbsee: thanks!
[07:34] <StevenK> lionel: Congrats, I've approved your u-u-s membership, too
[07:34] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[07:34] <LaserJock> congrats lionel
[07:34] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:35] <lionel> StevenK: I've just seen that. Double thanks for you ;-)
[07:35] <lionel> Thanks LaserJock
[07:44] <ajmitch> sigh, snow tonight/tomorrow
[07:44] <StevenK> Fun.
[07:44] <lathiat> i would be excited about that, having never seen snow before :)
[07:44] <lathiat> i'm sure it gets to be a PITA but would be exciting the first time ;p
[07:45] <imbrandon> never seen snow!?!
[07:45] <StevenK> Me either.
[07:45] <lathiat> nope..
[07:45] <imbrandon> wow
[07:45] <lathiat> no snow in Australia for the most part
[07:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: they're australians
[07:45] <lathiat> especially not on the western side
[07:45] <imbrandon> its 80 F here atm
[07:45] <imbrandon> summer
[07:45] <ajmitch> even plenty of kiwis have never seen snow
[07:45] <imbrandon> half , hehe
[07:46] <imbrandon> penguins ftw
[07:46] <Hobbsee> fake snow.
[07:46] <imbrandon> stuck in the freezer ?
[07:46] <LaserJock> my goodness
[07:46] <imbrandon> heya LaserJock
[07:47] <LaserJock> where I'm from we have snow probably at least 5 months a year
[07:47] <imbrandon> they will love boston in november then, probably be 3 feet of snow
[07:47] <LaserJock> heh
[07:47] <StevenK> RAOF: Heh
[07:48] <Hobbsee> unless something major happens
[07:52] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: like getting sponsored?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: probably more than that.  but that would help
[07:52] <LaserJock> I don't think I'll make Boston either
[07:52] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it's the fact that uni will probably get mroe than a little pissed off.
[07:53] <LaserJock> which is sad since it's in the US
[07:53] <Hobbsee> and the non-US ones interest me more
[07:53] <ajmitch> well you're probably certain to get sponsored
[07:53] <LaserJock> I like the US ones better
[07:53] <StevenK> Spoken like a true American.
[07:53] <LaserJock> I don't do quite so well in foreign countries
[07:53] <LaserJock> StevenK: it's what I know :-)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, but i'd prefer the non US ones, and i'd prefer to get sponsored to them - assuming that i wouldnt get sponsored every time
[07:54] <ajmitch> which is still likely
[07:54] <Hobbsee> what, the sponsorship every time?
[07:54] <ajmitch> yes
[07:54] <Hobbsee> i thought i had to work there for that
[07:55] <ajmitch> you almost do
[07:55] <nixternal> !Hobbsee
[07:55] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[07:55] <nixternal> woohoo, hola chica!
[07:55] <Hobbsee> sabdfl has requested new kubuntu people get sponsored for november
[07:55] <Hobbsee> hiya nixternal
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: true that.
[07:55] <TheMuso> I'd like to go anyway.
[07:55] <nixternal> 00:53:30 [ LaserJock]  I like the US ones better
[07:55] <nixternal> when was the last time you went to Boston?
[07:55] <nixternal> haha
[07:55] <TheMuso> There is a small chance that I could go for UbuntuStudio...
[07:55] <LaserJock> I've never been to Boston
[07:56] <LaserJock> but international travel just gets me nervous
[07:56] <nixternal> I actually like Boston..it is a rough and tumble type of town
[07:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which means what?
[07:56] <StevenK> LaserJock: Try it from .au
[07:56] <nixternal> make a wrong turn and it could be your last..they have some serious gang issues
[07:56] <StevenK> Oh, that's ... comforting.
[07:56] <nixternal> Hobbsee: meaning, if you don't wear Bruin's black and gold, you are asking for a fight :)
[07:57] <Hobbsee> okay, then i'm *really* not going to boston.
[07:57] <Hobbsee> even more so than before
[07:57] <nixternal> the city of Boston, the inner harbor area, around Fanuel (I spelled that wrong I am sure) is awesome
[07:57] <nixternal> you go south in to southie land, i.e., Brokton and such...like the AOL voice
[07:57] <nixternal> Goodbye!
[07:58] <LaserJock> bah
[07:58] <LaserJock> like Paris was all that safe
[07:58] <nixternal> but you have to hit the Irish pubs...my lord talk about a great time
[07:58] <LaserJock> I'd say they should do it in Montana
[07:58] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that was the weird thing - spain felt safe
[07:58] <nixternal> gotta go to the Salty Dog, the original Cheers pub
[07:58] <nixternal> LaserJock: hahahah, or Chicago!
[07:59] <LaserJock> but I don't want you all discovering how awesome my home state is and moving there ;-)
[07:59] <LaserJock> http://www.montana-sucks.com/
[08:00] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:00] <TheMuso> I'm too happy in .au to move anywhere else.
[08:00] <nixternal> and whatever you do when in Boston, do not go into the "Great Dig" as you will either drown, or it will collapse in on you :)
[08:00] <LaserJock> hah
[08:00] <LaserJock> that's only happened once
[08:01] <nixternal> twice, not including the workers
[08:01] <nixternal> wasn't there a recent squashing?
[08:01] <LaserJock> hmm, the one I heard about was a couple years ago I think
[08:01] <nixternal> one just happened either in 06 or 07
[08:02] <nixternal> a big chunk skwished um
[08:02] <nixternal> ;)
[08:02] <nixternal> then again, us Chicagoans can't say crap...our own river sprung a damn leak
[08:02] <LaserJock> or oh, if you stake a claim on somebody's water rights or mine
[08:02] <nixternal> or you go where it says "NO TRESPASSING"
[08:02] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:03] <LaserJock> don't snip fence wires
[08:03] <StevenK> Isn't that like half the state?
[08:03] <nixternal> screw that, Montana has crazy militiamen and cults and stuff
[08:03] <LaserJock> nixternal: but that keeps us safe
[08:03] <LaserJock> who needs police?
[08:03] <nixternal> very true
[08:03] <nixternal> my lord, I am moving to Montana!
[08:03] <nixternal> actually, I like New Hampshire...their motto is "Live Free or Die"
[08:04] <StevenK> Hobbsee: That is a good idea.
[08:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: the US is a huge cesspool
[08:04] <LaserJock> we had a luny that set his grandparents on fire in their house
[08:04] <Hobbsee> cesspool?
[08:04] <nixternal> and I can do the breast stroke in it!
[08:05] <StevenK> Hobbsee: A cistern
[08:05] <StevenK> Basically
[08:05] <nixternal> the bottom of a drain, where all the nasty stuff collects
[08:05] <Hobbsee> ahh
[08:05] <LaserJock> my parents even though of locking their door
[08:05] <nixternal> hehe
[08:05] <LaserJock> but they couldn't find the key
[08:05] <nixternal> hahahhaa
[08:05] <nixternal> heh, and doors in Chicago are like bank vaults
[08:05] <nixternal> where jjesse lives, where I was born, it is the same
[08:06] <nixternal> noone messes with you, you got the militia...good stuff
[08:07] <nixternal> NYC would be a cool place as well for a UDS
[08:07] <nixternal> DC, northwest side only
[08:07] <jsgotangco> you guys complain too much about your home areas, you haven't seen really really bad parts :P
[08:07] <LaserJock> I've been to a conference in DC
[08:07] <nixternal> jsgotangco: I have been to Rockwell Gardens, it doesn't get any worse
[08:07] <nixternal> Rockwell Gardens actually caused me to quit working for CPS
[08:07] <LaserJock> it was ok, but hotels were really expensive and food was hard to find
[08:08] <nixternal> ya, they close everything so early in DC
[08:08] <nixternal> unless you are in Georgetown
[08:08] <LaserJock> I vote for Kansas City
[08:08] <LaserJock> and we can all hook up to imbrandon's sweet setup
[08:09] <nixternal> eh, KC is OK if you are into that sweet bbq ;)
[08:09] <imbrandon> :)
[08:09] <nixternal> sweet, 21.33s of lag
[08:10] <nixternal> I knew you would come around and see that one ;p
[08:10] <imbrandon> i vote KC
[08:10] <imbrandon> we even have the confrence rooms at the same building my DC is in
[08:10] <imbrandon> that we rent
[08:10] <nixternal> KC would work for me, 8 hour drive I think
[08:10] <imbrandon> 2 miles from the airoport
[08:11] <LaserJock> hmm, but then you guys had BTK
[08:11] <nixternal> hahahahhahahaha
[08:11] <LaserJock> that's a -1 there
[08:11] <nixternal> I was just thinking about that
[08:11] <imbrandon> btk ?
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: we can carpool :)
[08:11] <nixternal> BTK is gone
[08:11] <nixternal> Bind
[08:11] <nixternal> Torture
[08:11] <superm1> sweet its only 3 hours for me imbrandon.  do it.
[08:11] <nixternal> Kill
[08:11] <nixternal> the btk killer ring a bell imbrandon ?
[08:11] <nixternal> ;)
[08:11] <imbrandon> i'll poke my boss and sabdfl about it, dunno if it would go anywhere, but it would be cool
[08:12] <imbrandon> dude mythbuntu.org got dugg? wow
[08:12] <superm1> imbrandon, yes :)
[08:12] <imbrandon> 80 MB/s for a bit
[08:12] <nixternal> heh, Chicago has a Googleplex now..we are supposed to go down for Google days or something this weekend..they want to wine and dine us
[08:12] <imbrandon> superm1, should have took me up on the lighttpd :)
[08:12] <imbrandon> hehe
[08:12] <LaserJock> I want to go to Chicago
[08:12] <superm1> imbrandon, i was thinking about that at about 12PM today :)
[08:12] <LaserJock> everybody tells me I need to go there
[08:12] <imbrandon> heh
[08:12] <nixternal> LaserJock: jjesse was just here a couple of weeks ago
[08:13] <superm1> imbrandon, where do you have stats at for the day for it?
[08:13] <nixternal> LaserJock: all we have is a bean
[08:13] <imbrandon> superm1, http://cacti.gsi-host.com/cacti/graph_image.php?local_graph_id=20721&rra_id=1&nologin=1   <-- thats the port mythinbuntu.org is on
[08:13] <superm1> yup right about 12, that when i remember it being pretty bad
[08:13] <imbrandon> spiked at 82mb
[08:14] <superm1> i ran awstats on it, some 1507 ISOs went out
[08:14] <imbrandon> heh
[08:14] <superm1> (not counting the guy who mirrored us and the torrents of course)
[08:14] <imbrandon> yea its best to do torrent only on the webserver, even if the server seeds
[08:14] <superm1> we're still on pg2 of digg right now too.
[08:14] <imbrandon> we found that out with ubuntustudio.org
[08:15] <superm1> we were making bets in -mythtv about how many ISOs were going to be downloaded since the rss feed announce.  none of us even anticipated this many
[08:16] <imbrandon> for an alpha thats good
[08:16] <StevenK> Hobbsee: It's Mythbuntu, not MythTV
[08:16] <StevenK> If I could afford the odd $1,000 for a Myth box, I'd be downloading one as well.
[08:16] <imbrandon> before you make the next release lemme know a few hours before , we'll tweak some settings and squeeze somemore horse power out of the box
[08:16] <Hobbsee> StevenK: sorry, that
[08:17] <LaserJock> I got to talk to one of the IT managers of my Uni today
[08:17] <superm1> imbrandon, we set up a bunch of milestones to hit before next release, so it will be some time :)
[08:17] <LaserJock> turns out he's a big ubuntu fan
[08:17] <imbrandon> kk
[08:17] <superm1> but i'll make sure we are more prepared
[08:17] <imbrandon> LaserJock, nice
[08:17] <superm1> for sure
[08:17] <superm1> Hobbsee, www.mythbuntu.org :)
[08:18] <imbrandon> they are an official deriv now too hehe
[08:18] <imbrandon> along with studio
[08:18] <LaserJock> superm1: how does it compare to that Linux Media Center thingy
[08:18] <Hobbsee> ah yes, nice :)
[08:18] <superm1> LaserJock, honestly can't say i've used it yet
[08:18] <StevenK> Linux MCE is .... interesting.
[08:18] <superm1> so couldnt tell you
[08:18] <superm1> i've heard that linuxmce is quite "overkill"
[08:18] <superm1> for its purpose
[08:18] <LaserJock> I saw a nifty video of it Linux MCE
[08:19] <StevenK> So interesting I'm going to stay away from it.
[08:19] <superm1> but that was about all i've heard
[08:19] <imbrandon> i wanna try the XMBC linux port, i love it on my xbox
[08:19] <imbrandon> wont run anything else on it
[08:19] <StevenK> Hmph. No TV Out or LIRC for Mythbuntu.
[08:19] <imbrandon> XBMC*
[08:20] <LaserJock> I hardly watch much TV
[08:20] <imbrandon> StevenK, /yet/
[08:20] <superm1> StevenK, for this release, no
[08:20] <LaserJock> I've just got a rabbit ears setup
[08:20] <StevenK> imbrandon: Yes.
[08:20] <imbrandon> LaserJock, youtube!
[08:20] <superm1> we're just a baby alpha right /now/
[08:20] <LaserJock> and a 10 year old CD player
[08:20] <StevenK> superm1: That's okay, my Myth setup is a big pipedream, at this point. :-)
[08:30] <man-di> moin
[08:31] <imbrandon> ello man-di
[08:32] <LaserJock> nixternal: I must confess, I mostly don't understand your blog post
[08:32] <nixternal> me either
[08:32] <nixternal> don't feel bad
[08:32] <nixternal> I started going, then I got upset, and quit when I head>kb
[08:33] <superm1> MOTUs, while i've got a bunch of you here, i was a it confused by a warning lintian was throwing at me, could someone take a look?
[08:33] <superm1> I attached it as a comment on http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5405
[08:35] <man-di> superm1: you just have to reference /use/share/common-licenses/GPL
[08:35] <man-di> superm1: no need to put the GPL text in every GPLed software
[08:35] <superm1> man-di, crimsun has made it clear to me the last few packages to ship a copy of the license in the software
[08:35] <superm1> always make sure that a COPYING file was included
[08:36] <man-di> superm1: only if its not one of the common-licenses
[08:36] <LaserJock> well, it needs a COPYING file in the source
[08:36] <LaserJock> but you don't need to include the whole GPL in debian/copyright
[08:36] <superm1> which its not in this package
[08:36] <superm1> its just a COPYING file and a short header in debian/copyright
[08:36] <man-di> superm1: dont put extra GPL texts into the binary packages
[08:37] <superm1> just the source package
[08:37] <superm1> and then reference it
[08:37] <man-di> superm1: for the soruce package thats upstreams task, not yours
[08:37] <man-di> for the orig tarball I mean
[08:38] <superm1> well upstream didn't include it in this case (although they should have)
[08:38] <man-di> then its a bug upstream should fix imidiately
[08:38] <nixternal> g'nite
[08:39] <bashelier> hey man-di
[08:39] <bashelier> thanks a lot for the uploads ;)
[08:39] <man-di> superm1: putting extra GPL text into a binary package is a bug, IMO
[08:39] <man-di> bashelier: no problem, I like to help
[08:39] <superm1> man-di, http://revu.tauware.de./details.py?upid=4910
[08:39] <superm1> that was the (first) one crimsun had indicated to me to add the COPYING file
[08:40] <superm1> i'm getting conflicting opinions about what what *should* be done then
[08:40] <man-di> superm1: he surely dont meant to put it into a binary package
[08:40] <superm1> when he uploaded that, debian/docs has COPYING
[08:40] <bashelier> man-di: cool :) then I would be glad if you could also have a look to this one http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/gtkedit/gtkedit_1.0-1.dsc ;) (already reviewed by bartm but no news from him for 5 days...)
[08:42] <man-di> bashelier: always use same sponsor you used last time for a package
[08:42] <imbrandon> man-di, why i use miltipal sponsors all the time
[08:42] <bashelier> man-di: I meant bartm had already had a look at it, but the package have never been uploaded before
[08:43] <man-di> bashelier: and I have some additional rules for my sponsoring: links to .dsc to me via mail (then mutt does half the work for me) and dont do work another sponsor has already done
[08:43] <bashelier> man-di: np, thanks ;)
[08:44] <man-di> I do ofcourse sponsor the packaghe when bartm agrees or is MIA
[08:44] <man-di> bashelier: sorry for my strict rules
[08:44] <bashelier> man-di: np, I understand ;)
[08:45] <man-di> bashelier: at least I'm not as pedantic as some other sponsors (e.g. when it comes to unneeded newlines in files in debian/*)
[08:48] <imbrandon> see thats why i dont bother with upstream if i dont already know the maintainer or i'm not the maintainer myself
[08:48] <imbrandon> shit like that pisses me off to no end
[08:48] <imbrandon> and is petty power trips
[08:48] <RAOF> Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't change democracyplayer to build against xulrunner rather than firefox?  It's one less delta against the debian package.
[08:48] <imbrandon> ( the un-needed cr-lf's etc )
[08:49] <crimsun> RAOF: it's up to you if you're touching the package, but realise there's an existing (newly opened bug) on xulrunner regarding header files
[08:49] <crimsun> RAOF: generally it's best to keep the Ubuntu as minimal as possible
[08:50] <crimsun> and I really did just get woken up by a friggin bug report.  Grr.
[08:50] <imbrandon> crimsun, hehe, heya
[08:50] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you're in luck!
[08:51] <RAOF> And a feature-request bug, too :/
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:51] <jussi01au> hi all
[08:52] <RAOF> Heydi
[08:53] <jussi01au> hi RAOF, your in .au arent you?
[08:53] <RAOF> Yes, indeed.
[08:53] <jussi01au> where??
[08:53] <RAOF> In fun, huge,  Sydney
[08:54] <jussi01au> hehe
[08:54] <DarkMageZ> au is a big place. i'm also in au
[08:54] <jussi01au> hehe...ok :D
[08:54] <jussi01au> im in melbourne
[08:54] <jussi01au> well...geelong, but melbourne als
[08:54] <jussi01au> o
[08:54] <DarkMageZ> you are 1000km away
[08:54] <RAOF> It's only big if you count the huge essentially unihabited desert between the east and west coasts :)
[08:55] <jussi01au> lol
[08:55] <jussi01au> so does anyone feel like helping me with a technical issue?
[08:56] <jussi01au> if someones got too much time on their hands.. :P
[08:57] <RAOF> Feel like, yes.  Should, no :)
[08:57] <jussi01au> hehe
[08:57] <jussi01au> just x has died...
[08:57] <jussi01au> nothing too serious
[08:58] <Hobbsee> jussi01au: wow, cool
[08:58] <jussi01au> hello Hobbsee :D
[08:58] <RAOF> Marking gaussian elimination has to be one of the most boring things I've ever done.
[08:58] <jussi01au> lol
[09:00] <jussi01au> its giving some message about errors opening wacom, and could not init font path element (insert several paths here), and something about free fontpath FPE refcount is 2 should be 1...
[09:02] <RAOF> I've seen all of those.  The first one is definitely non-fatal.  The second one is almost certainly non-fatal.  And I don't think the third one is fatal either.
[09:02] <jussi01au> ok...
[09:02] <crimsun> actually they're all fatal.    It's written in the stars.
[09:02] <RAOF> However, I seem to recall something like that pattern happening when XGL was segfaulting somewhere along its init path.
[09:02] <jussi01au> lol crimsun
[09:02] <RAOF> Well, yeah.    Fatal.
[09:03] <jussi01au> RAOF: one day...
[09:03] <jussi01au> :P
[09:04] <jussi01au> hmmm...now we are getting somewhere...
[09:04] <jussi01au> got a login screen... however...
[09:04] <jussi01au> when you login i just goes back to the login screen...
[09:05] <RAOF> Cool.  With a "your session lasted < 10 seconds" care of misspelling "dbus-launch" as "dus-launch"?
[09:06] <jussi01au> huh?
[09:06] <RAOF> Oh, that was my most recent reason for getting kicked back to the login screen.
[09:06] <jussi01au> lol
[09:07] <crimsun> jussi01au: sanity-check:  /var and /tmp mounted read-write with plenty of free space?  lo iface up?
[09:08] <crimsun> further, does /tmp have sane permissions?
[09:09] <jussi01au> crimsun: Im not sure.... Ill go have a look... its the little bothers machine...
[09:09] <crimsun> (it should be 1777)
[09:10] <jussi01au> hello dholbach
[09:10] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <dholbach> hey jussi01au
[09:10] <RAOF> Good evening dholbach
[09:11] <dholbach> hiya RAOF
[09:11] <bashelier> good morning dholbach
[09:11] <dholbach> hey bashelier
[09:11] <dholbach> did you get your sync requests done?
[09:11] <jussi01au> crimsun: just before I go on... its failing on a few things at startup...
[09:11] <LaserJock> good morning dholbach
[09:11] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:12] <bashelier> dholbach: not yet, but I haden't sent you a mail as u-u-s is suscribed to the bug ;)
[09:12] <dholbach> ah ok, that's cool
[09:13] <jussi01au> crimsun: it fails on swap activation, assembling raid arays, and mounting local filesytems (which is probably the problem..no?)
[09:14] <RAOF> Wow, that's a full house :)
[09:14] <jussi01au> :)
[09:14] <RAOF> Do you *have* a mounted /tmp partition?
[09:15] <RAOF> Does it actually have any raid arrays?
[09:15] <jussi01au> hmmm... I dont know...
[09:16] <RAOF> Well, can you log in on a VT?
[09:17] <jussi01au> it wont open a tty if thats what your asking.... recovery mode doesnt do anything...(and jussi is showing just how much of a noob he actually is...)
[09:19] <RAOF> Yeah, that's what I'm asking.  It won't switch to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+F1)?  And by "recovery mode doesn't do anything", do you mean you don't get a prompt in *recovery mode*?
[09:19] <jussi01au> yeah, it just goes to the log in screen when you boot in recovery mode...
[09:20] <RAOF> That's some crazy menu.lst happening.  Just append "remove the 'quiet splash'" and append 'single' to the grub options then next time you boot.
[09:21] <jussi01au> ooh... now we have a VT...
[09:22] <jussi01au> hmmm.. why didnt it do that last boot...
[09:22] <RAOF> Still all the same problems?
[09:22] <jussi01au> yeah... still doesnt log in...
[09:23] <RAOF> You mean you still don't have a shell?
[09:23] <jussi01au> no, we have a shell, but it wont log into x...
[09:23] <RAOF> Oh, that's cool.
[09:23] <RAOF> Now we get to actually work out what's wrong, and fix it :)
[09:24] <jussi01au> :D
[09:24] <RAOF> Now you actually have access to the system, *do* you have /tmp and /var mounted, and do they have the right permissions?
[09:25] <jussi01au> hmmm, doesnt look like /tmp is mounted but /var is...
[09:25] <jussi01au> (there is nothing in /tmp)
[09:26] <bashelier> geser: looks like the patch have worked on ia64 :)
[09:27] <RAOF> Hm.  Does /tmp have 1777 permissions?
[09:27] <RAOF> jussi01au: And can you touch something in it?  (As in "touch /tmp/foo")
[09:28] <jussi01au> touch /tmp/foo gives no output
[09:29] <StevenK> jussi01au: Which is right.
[09:29] <StevenK> jussi01au: Most Unix commands will silently succeed.
[09:29] <jussi01au> hmmm, how do i check permissions from the command line?
[09:29] <StevenK> ls -l
[09:29] <Fujitsu> jussi01au: ls -l
[09:30] <StevenK> Hrm, did I win?
[09:30] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Unfortunately :(
[09:30] <Fujitsu> You always do.
[09:30] <StevenK> Hah
[09:30] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Type faster. :-P
[09:30] <Fujitsu> rsync and scp and sbuild together lag this system a bit too much for tab switching.
[09:30] <svschwartz>  Most Unix commands will silently succeed. ))
[09:30] <StevenK> The reason I ask is most clients will update their own buffer and then send the text to the server.
[09:31] <StevenK> svschwartz: Well, if run correctly. :-)
[09:31] <jussi01au> RAOF: -rw-r---r--
[09:31] <RAOF> Uuuuur.
[09:31] <RAOF> jussi01au: So why didn't touch fail?  Oh, 'cause you're root :)
[09:31] <RAOF> jussi01au: chmod 1777 /tmp
[09:32] <svschwartz> StevenK: if only any UNIX command had a progress bar ))
[09:32] <StevenK> Hah
[09:32] <jussi01au> RAOF: done
[09:32] <jussi01au> lol svschwartz
[09:33] <RAOF> jussi01au: Now that programs can actually stick files in /tmp, you might want to try logging in again :)
[09:34] <jussi01au> RAOF: I did try, but no joy... should I try a windows fix? (ie. restart?) :P
[09:35] <RAOF> Maybe.  You should probably fix the "can't mount local filesystems" problem, too.
[09:35] <RAOF> Check that /etc/fstab actually points to useful things :)
[09:35] <jussi01au> hehe, yeah, actually that could be an issue...
[09:38] <jussi01au> ok... the fstab looks horrible...
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Urrrgh.
[09:38] <StevenK> jussi01au: Ask him if he was. Thinking, that is.
[09:38] <RAOF> Whooops.  kill -9 dpkg FTW!
[09:38] <jmg> lawl
[09:39] <crimsun> maybe it's that new kernel thingy that LaserJock mentioned.
[09:39] <jussi01au> there are a whole lot of /tmp/whatever references... whats that all about...??
[09:40] <RAOF> Why would you want to mount something to a subdirectory of /tmp?
[09:40] <LaserJock> crimsun: kernel thingy?
[09:40] <RAOF> jussi01au: Is it using UUIDs everywhere?
[09:40] <jussi01au> RAOF: pretty much....
[09:40] <svschwartz> jmg: is your system still alive ? ))
[09:41] <jmg> svschwartz: it survived edgy -> feisty
[09:41] <jmg> 1%/432mb ;)
[09:41] <RAOF> jussi01au: Good.  No hda->sda->hda annoyances for you :)
[09:41] <svschwartz> cool )) if your laptop will survive, I'll upgrade mine ))
[09:42] <jussi01au> hmmm... 2 actually... /dev/hdd1 and /dev/hda1
[09:42] <Hobbsee> jmg: svschwartz there are cds to test for clean installs, if you want.
[09:42] <jussi01au> RAOF: /dev/hda1 is generated by automatix...
[09:43] <jmg> Hobbsee: really?
[09:43] <jmg> there were no alphas where i looked
[09:43] <jmg> when*
[09:43] <svschwartz> Hobbsee: I want to try dist-upgrade, never done it befor :)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> ahh ;)
[09:43] <Hobbsee> svschwartz: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-June/023789.html
[09:43] <jmg> Hobbsee: i have a fatal bug in feisty kernel
[09:43] <crimsun> LaserJock: "looks like a VGA device. Nah, unimportant. Skip it."
[09:43] <jmg> well, workflow fatal
[09:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe
[09:44] <RAOF> svschwartz: My laptop survived Feisty->Gutsy about a month ago :)
[09:44] <jmg> i cant dump the videos off my camera because none of my pcs will work with the sdhc card :(
[09:44] <jmg> so i have to upgrade one to gutsy
[09:45] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: A member of gEDA upstream emailed me this morning about ensuring our packages are up to date. We're (and Debian is) two releases behind at the moment.
[09:46] <jussi01au> RAOF: what actually happened with the hda/sda problem? this system has been broken for a good while now...
[09:46] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: awesome :/
[09:46] <svschwartz> RAOF: well it's of statisticas mistakes :))
[09:48] <crimsun> uh...exfalse coring?  in gtk.main()?  what the...
[09:48] <RAOF> jussi01au: I wasn't touched by it, but it was to do with the libata transition.  Things went from hd? under IDE to sd? under libata.  Then, it turned out that libata didn't work properly for some controller/drive combinations, so they went back to IDE and hd?
[09:48] <crimsun> exfalso, even
[09:48] <StevenK> crimsun: Neat!
[09:49] <jussi01au> RAOF: ahhh...ok
[09:49] <RAOF> jussi01au: If that system was using /dev/hda, and the kernel got upgraded to one which used libata... :)
[09:50] <crimsun> Fujitsu: thanks for helping test the Rhythmbox fixes
[09:50] <Fujitsu> crimsun: No problem; thanks for finding them.
[09:50] <jussi01au> RAOF: could it be that the uuid's have changed?
[09:50] <RAOF> jussi01au: I don't think so.  That would somewhat eliminate the whole point of UUID's :)
[09:50] <gnudeep> Hi All
[09:50] <jussi01au> hehe... :D
[09:51] <gnudeep> Do we need to have src deb each and every package
[09:51] <jmg> gnudeep: huh?
[09:51] <RAOF> Every package needs to be built from a source package, yes.
[09:51] <gnudeep> gnu/deep ;)
[09:52] <gnudeep> when I upload a deb to revu do I need to have a src deb also
[09:52] <RAOF> But that doesn't mean that each binary package in the repository has it's own source package.  Many produce multiple binary packages.
[09:52] <Fujitsu> You have to upload a source package, not a binary.
[09:53] <jmg> gnudeep: are you talking about NoSourcePackages?
[09:53] <jmg> NoMoreSourcePackages*
[09:54] <gnudeep> I created the deb for WSAS .. WSAS is a AXIS2 based webservice engine written in Java
[09:54] <gnudeep> the project has a maven2 build system
[09:55] <gnudeep> it creates a ZIP file with binary
[09:55] <svschwartz> RAOF: and what about universe and multiverse in gusty? more than that I've installed codecs with automatix ))
[09:55] <gnudeep> I wrote a simple to create the deb following the Tomcat deb
[09:55] <svschwartz> RAOF: will god forgive me ? :)
[09:56] <RAOF> svschwartz: Oooh.  It *should* be OK, but if you couldn't upgrade I wouldn't be too surprised.
[09:56] <gnudeep> Where I can find the Tomcat deb build system ?
[09:57] <jmg> ack
[09:57] <jmg> gnudeep: apt-get source tomcat
[09:57] <svschwartz> RAOF: whish me luck for tonight ))))
[09:57] <RAOF> :)
[09:57] <jmg> then look in the debian/ dir
[09:57] <gnudeep> jmg, thanx
[09:57] <crimsun> I recommend you look at tomcat5.5, but yes, the basic idea is identical.
[09:58] <jmg> crimsun: doesnt tomcat use ant?
[09:58] <jussi01au> RAOF: crimsun, got any more ideas?
[09:58] <crimsun> jmg: yes, was just passing him a current source package name.
[09:58] <jmg> ok
[09:59] <jmg> gnudeep: whatever you do, try to stick to java policy
[10:00] <RAOF> jussi01au: Nah, not really.  I'm not so experienced at such low-level fixing.
[10:00] <jmg> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/x86.html
[10:00] <jussi01au> RAOF: ok, thanks for your help anyway... :D
[10:00] <RAOF> Has anyone else tried the Rhythmbox's new gapless engine?  Does it actually play music for anyone?
[10:00] <gnudeep> jmg, what is the java policy
[10:00] <jmg> RAOF: 63%
[10:01] <jmg> gnudeep: have a read of that
[10:01] <jmg> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/index.html
[10:01] <gnudeep> jmg, thanx
[10:14] <RAOF> Whoops, that log was a little bit bigger than I thought.  It seems rhythmbox spits out 2.8 mb worth of debug text in about 30 seconds :)
[10:14] <svschwartz> motus: is Gusty Gibbon daily build the same images as at https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ ?
[10:16] <dholbach> svschwartz: that's the ones that need testing, yes
[10:16] <dholbach> and it's 'gutsy' :-)
[10:16] <svschwartz> dholbach thnx ))
[10:16] <dholbach> super
[10:17] <crimsun> RAOF: what issue are you chasing?
[10:19] <RAOF> crimsun: The newly filed bug 119044 - the gapless/crossfading backend never starts playing for me.
[10:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119044 in rhythmbox "Crossfading engine never starts playing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119044
[10:19] <crimsun> ah, known upstream
[10:19] <crimsun> no fix yet
[10:20] <crimsun> but - we do have fixes for the Unknown tag bits
[10:20] <Fujitsu> :D
[10:20] <crimsun> half of the required fix is in; the other half is known, committed, and works
[10:20] <RAOF> And that went into -0ubuntu3 didn't it?
[10:20] <Fujitsu> No, unfortunately
[10:20] <crimsun> http://adhd.irule.net/~crimsun/rhythmbox-gutsy/  has it
[10:21] <RAOF> I don't actually use rhythmbox, I just wanted to try out gapless playback :)
[10:21] <RAOF> I'll go and attach the upstream bug to mine.
[10:22] <RAOF> Hey, there doesn't seem to *be* an upstream bug.  crimsun, did you have a bug in mind?
[10:26] <crimsun> no
[10:26] <Fujitsu> What's the PPA upload URL? incoming.d.l.n/username?
[10:29] <RAOF> Hm, is it worth filing a bug upstream then?
[10:29] <crimsun> RAOF: you'd need to pull SVN trunk first - lots of fixes there
[10:30] <RAOF> Right.  I might do that sometime, but not now.  I'll keep an eye out for new rhythmbox packages and test again, though.
[10:41] <gpocentek> hello
[10:42] <imbrandon> hrm how can i redirect cron output ( from a job ) to syslog
[10:42] <imbrandon> heya gpocentek
[10:42] <gpocentek> hello imbrandon
[11:21] <crimsun> AndyP: please remember to include the Debian component (e.g., 119023)
[11:26] <shawarma> imbrandon: Pipe it through logger?
[11:57] <frandavid100> hello!
[12:00] <frandavid100> how can I force a file's installation?
[12:00] <frandavid100> I get an error saying that it's trying to overwrite /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/2/libgconfbackend-xml.so
[12:03] <Kmos> frandavid100: yes you can
[12:03] <Kmos> --force
[12:03] <highvoltage> !seen mvo
[12:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen mvo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:04] <dholbach> highvoltage: he's usually on #ubuntu-devel but in his part of germany it's a bank holiday today
[12:04] <dholbach> highvoltage: so I guess he'll not be around today
[12:04] <dholbach> anything I can do for you?
[12:04] <frandavid100> so Kmos, how would the command be? sudo dpkg -i --force nameofthepackage.deb?
[12:05] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: no
[12:05] <gnomefreak> frandavid100: there are differnet --force options. depending on what you need to do. Its not normally a good idea to force anything
[12:07] <frandavid100> well I just compiled a package and created a deb with checkinstall but now it tells me it conflicts with libgconf2-4
[12:07] <frandavid100> gonna try make install
[12:08] <dholbach> arg :-((((
[12:08] <dholbach> don't overwrite libraries with locally built stuff
[12:08] <highvoltage> dholbach: aah, ok
[12:08] <highvoltage> dholbach: I received a menor request, should I speak to mvo first before assigning, or can I just introduce them?
[12:09] <dholbach> ask him and ask the new contributor to checkout the links from MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor before
[12:09] <frandavid100> dholbach: if I built it locally, shouldn't everything be ok and according to my libraries?
[12:10] <dholbach> frandavid100: no, you overwrite gconf with the stuff you built locally
[12:10] <frandavid100> alright
[12:10] <dholbach> frandavid100: that's what's giving you the clash and error message
[12:10] <dholbach> especially if you don't know how the new gconf thing is different
[12:10] <frandavid100> yeah but it still seems weird
[12:13] <frandavid100> alright, make install works but I get a core dumped error anyway
[12:17] <frandavid100> see yoy later!
[12:23] <dholbach> is REVU broken atm?
[12:23] <dholbach> I can't post comments
[12:23] <dholbach> oh... value too long
[12:23] <dholbach> grmbl
[12:26] <StevenK> Heh
[12:29] <geser> StevenK: is your patch for requestsync somewhere available?
[12:30] <jmg> svschwartz: my laptop didnt survive, in almost the worst possible way
[12:31] <StevenK> geser: Hrm. I'm not sure if I finished it.
[12:31] <jmg> it hardswitched the wireless off
[12:31] <jmg> to reenable it, i have to boot into windows, but i deleted my windows partition ages ago
[12:32] <jmg> the laptop's entire point is as a wireless wkstn
[12:33] <Kaloz> jmg: what kinf od wireless card are you using?
[12:33] <jmg> Kaloz: ipw2200
[12:33] <svschwartz> jmg : (((
[12:33] <Kaloz> jmg: there was a standalone driver for rfkil lstuff
[12:33] <Kaloz> let me try to remember the location
[12:33] <jmg> Kaloz: yeah?
[12:34] <jmg> i tried that rfswitch
[12:34] <jmg> my problem is, i dont think there are many of my laptop around (asus m5200a)
[12:35] <jmg> the s5200n doesnt work
[12:35] <Kaloz> I had an asus, but the hotkey on that simply generated a keypres,s and I've handled it through acpi even
[12:37] <Kaloz> jmg: we shoudl figure out what happens when you pres the button.. try to run acpi_listen in terminal, and check if that says anything about it
[12:38] <jmg> jmg: it is allegedly supported by asus_acpi
[12:38] <jmg> http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b92101/uclinux-dist/linux-2.6.x/drivers/acpi/asus_acpi.c
[12:38] <jmg> doesnt look like anything is sent when i press the button
[12:39] <Kaloz> and if you check dmesg, there's not log about "unknown key pressed" stuff, right?
[12:39] <jmg> right
[12:39] <StevenK> geser: Do you have a patch to requestsync for your stuff?
[12:39] <jmg> but i already tried a setkeycodes i found on ubuntuforums
[12:39] <jmg> so i might have screwed it :/
[12:40] <jmg> setkeycodes e004 147
[12:41] <jmg> heh
[12:42] <jmg> the sleep button works now, didnt before
[12:42] <jmg> hmmm
[12:42] <jmg> perhaps i am scragged by something i tried to enable fn-f2 when i was in edgy and it wouldnt work... now i am in dapper
[12:43] <jmg> doh! i mean gutsy
[12:43] <jmg> i will download the gutsy iso tomorrow and install
[12:43] <jmg> i will try the live (could never install from live as it doesnt have enough ram) and alternative
[12:44] <jmg> Kaloz: unless you want me to try something?
[12:45] <Kaloz> not right now
[12:45] <geser> StevenK: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24553/
[12:45] <jmg> Kaloz: ok
[12:46] <jmg> arrgh
[12:46] <jmg> i had some code to write tonight
[12:46] <StevenK> geser: Ah, right. My idea is to take my work and your work, mangle it into requestsync and upload devscripts.
[12:47] <geser> sounds good
[12:48] <jmg> Kaloz: the fn key no longer works to trigger pgup-pgdn, if that helps
[12:48] <jmg> Kaloz: I think i might have the wrong keyboard layout..
[12:48] <StevenK> geser: Is that really necessary?
[12:48] <StevenK> changelog.debian.net/<foo> just redirects anyway
[12:49] <geser> only for main
[12:49] <StevenK> url = 'http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/%%s/%s/%s/current/changelog.txt' % (subdir, sourcepkg)
[12:49] <geser> "Please note that this facility currently only works for packages in main." from http://changelogs.debian.net/index.php
[12:49] <StevenK> Why %%s ?
[12:50] <geser> I want a verbatim %s in it which gets replaced with main, contrib or non-free to find the right component
[12:50] <geser> line 38 in the paste
[12:51] <StevenK> *Guess* ?
[12:51] <StevenK> It looks it up!
[12:51] <geser> it tries which url works
[12:52] <StevenK> There's far a more elegant solution, the comment even says so.
[12:53] <StevenK> Hrm.
[12:53] <StevenK> Now I can't think of a package to try it with.
[12:54] <StevenK> Can someone throw some contrib/non-free package names at me? :-)
[12:54] <geser> argouml
[12:54] <geser> ifeffit
[12:55] <man-di> sun-java5-jdk
[12:55] <geser> flashplugin-nonfree
[12:55] <StevenK> Heh
[12:56] <geser> StevenK: if there is an easier why than to try 3 urls, I will try it out. I don't want to parse the HTML page from the PTS for the component
[12:58] <StevenK> geser: There is an easier way, I'm just investigating.
[01:16] <bmm> If any MOTU has time, I'm looking for somebody who is willing to advocate ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5295
[01:24] <DktrKranz> any u-u-s to look at bug #119016?
[01:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119016 in vlc "vlc-nox depends on missing libpostproc0d" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119016
[01:26] <persia> DktrKranz: As soon as the Tribe 1 freeze lifts, all the packages depending on libflac-dev will eed to be rebuilt for the 1.1.4 transition.  It's probably better to wait a couple days for this one.
[01:26] <DktrKranz> persia, thanks for the news
[01:31] <DktrKranz> persia, since vlc depends on libflac-dev (>= 1.1.2-3), should I arrange Build-deps to reflect 1.1.4?
[01:33] <persia> DktrKranz: If you like, but it should happen automatically once the archive is updated.  If you adjust it, it will FTBFS today, but will guarantee the transition when it happens.  Personally, I usually only use versioned build-deps when the code requires it, rather than for library transitions, to make backporting or compilation in other environments easier.
[01:34] <StevenK> geser: Okay, I've implemented what you did, without guessing.
[01:41] <StevenK> "Please sync flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) from Debian unstable (contrib)."
[01:43] <persia> bmm: Commented: I think only debian/copyright is left :)
[01:43] <bmm> persia: great, I'll have a look at it!
[01:46] <geser> StevenK: have you found the easier way?
[01:46] <StevenK> geser: Yup.
[01:47] <StevenK> geser: http://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=%s&a=&b=&c=&s=unstable&text=on
[02:17] <icf7> Is there any way to invite people to review a certain package on REVU?
[02:18] <pochu> Yes, print the link and ask :)
[02:18] <persia> icf7: Please post the package review URL here.  Please wait a while prior to posting again.
[02:18] <icf7> persia: Thank you, and thanks to all who review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5359 ;)
[02:21] <StevenK> Because the version is native.
[02:21] <StevenK> It probably shouldn't be
[02:22] <pochu> Right.
[02:22] <icf7> The original is a zip file
[02:23] <StevenK> So? Repack it and set the version to 0.07.2-1
[02:23] <pochu> icf7: It looks like your debian/ dir is inside the upstream tarball, while it shouldnt.
[02:23] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[02:23] <StevenK> pochu: Yes, because it's native.
[02:23] <pochu> Or even -0ubuntu1.
[02:23] <icf7> StevenK/pochu: Thanks, I'll do that
[02:23] <StevenK> Yes, sorry, I'm in Debian-mode.
[02:23] <pochu> heh.
[02:23] <pochu> Hello DarkSun88
[02:24] <DarkSun88> Hello pochu :)
[02:26] <pochu> icf7: in debian/copyright, "Upstream Author(s)" shouldn't have the "(s)", since there's just one author.
[02:26] <pochu> icf7: Also, in copyright too, don't make lines longer than 80 chars.
[02:26] <bmm> persia: I'm doing a 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' to check if the rules changes didn't brake the build. After that I'll be uploading a new version and poke you again. Thanks for the review!
[02:28] <icf7> pochu: Thank you, I'll fix that. Any other problems beside that?
[02:28] <persia> bmm: No problems.  While I'd be happy to look at it again, I'd recommend asking for review as you did before rather than poking specific individuals: the more different people look it over, the more likely you'll have a perfect package.
[02:29] <bmm> k
[02:30] <pochu> icf7: why you have a patched/ dir? Is it intended?
[02:31] <icf7> pochu: no, this is a mistake. Thank you
[02:31] <pochu> icf7: also the sunflow.png.uu file
[02:32] <icf7> pochu: mmm, i read something and understood I could not include any binary file in the debian directory. Isn't that the case?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:37] <pochu> Heya Hobbsee
[02:37] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[02:37] <pochu> icf7: I don't know :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:40] <persia> icf7: Commented.  Also, don't include any binary files in debian/.
[02:40] <persia> Hobbsee: Hi.
[02:40] <Kmos> how to test Cpu frequency scaling on my laptop ?
[02:41] <icf7> persia: Commented? Do you mean I should comment the rules file?
[02:41] <Kmos> icf7: no.. commented at revu website
[02:41] <pygi> hey ho
[02:41] <persia> icf7: Sorry.  I've commented on REVU.
[02:41] <icf7> Kmos: Ah, thank you
[02:41] <bmm> Any MOTU (and persia): I'm looking for the first advocate of ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5408
[02:44] <bluekuja> bmm: I think you can delete config.sub and .guess for a cleaner diff
[02:44] <bluekuja> in debian/rules
[02:44] <bmm> bluekuja: are you talking about the newest upload? Because I thought I just changed that...
[02:44] <icf7> persia: Thanks for your corrections, I am working on fixing all problems
[02:45] <bluekuja> bmm, is the link you provided above the "last"?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> bmm: no need to say "non maintainer upload"
[02:45] <Hobbsee> diff looks fairly clean - but i would wonder about using a patch system, if you're making that many changes
[02:45] <bmm> Hobbsee: wanted to please Lintian
[02:45] <persia> icf7: Good luck.  You might want to look at the "Preparing New Packages" section of http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing for some hints on things to check.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> bmm: some of the stuff only applies to debian
[02:45] <bmm> bluekuja: yes, that link is the most current. So I forgot to remove the files before doing a debuild -S -sa ?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> bmm: and we dont have maintainers, per se
[02:46] <StevenK> NMU is a Debian-ism
[02:46] <bluekuja> bmm, yeah, it seams so
[02:46] <bluekuja> *seems
[02:46] <persia> bmm: Looks much better.  Do you really want to maintain the patches natively?  dpatch might be easier (later - it's harder now).
[02:47] <pygi> persia, if it's something simple, simple-patch might work
[02:47] <pygi> btw. I don't think we want native packages
[02:47] <persia> pygi: It's not CDBS.
[02:47] <pygi> I might be wrong ofcourse
[02:47] <pygi> persia, oh, ok then ^_^
[02:47] <pochu> icf7: you should probably call dh_iconcache, since you're installing the icons in /usr/share/pixmaps/
[02:47] <persia> pygi: Sometimes we do use native patches, especially when the package is maintained in Debian, and the Debian maintainer prefers native packages.
[02:47] <bluekuja> bmm, you added a clean rule, but it should be ok to delete ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""
[02:47] <bluekuja> 	cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub
[02:48] <bluekuja> bmm, same for config.guess
[02:48] <pygi> persia, yes, but the key word is "sometimes" :)
[02:48] <pygi> I remember saying once that I used it, and was "kicked" for that =)
[02:49] <pygi> tarzeau, hey
[02:49] <bmm> bluekuja: ok, I thought I had to move those rules from the clean to config-status to make sure the files where there before the build but not after. Those (ifneq) lines can really be completely removed?
[02:50] <persia> bmm: By build-depending on autotools-dev, you guarantee that the files will be present.
[02:50] <bmm> Ah, few... ok, so I don't need the copy rule either? (configure will know where to look?)
[02:51] <persia> bmm: You still need to copy the files, but you don't need to test that they are there (although the test should always succeed, so it doesn't really hurt).
[02:52] <bmm> persia: OK, I've removed the test. Should I do a new upload or wait for more comments?
[02:52] <tarzeau> hey pygi
[02:53] <persia> bmm: If you're doing a new upload, wait a minute, and I'll post a wishlist to REVU.
[02:53] <bmm> Ok, I'll wait for the comments :-D
[02:55] <persia> bmm: posted
[02:55] <bmm> persia: thanks!
[02:55] <mshima> how do I do to make someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/116897?
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116897 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  virt-manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:57] <persia> mshima: Generally, REVU is preferred for new packaging, but announcing it here certainly collects attention.
[02:57] <bluekuja> mshima, that's cool
[02:57] <mshima> but it's enough there is a new version of libvirt
[02:58] <mshima> and its in main
[02:58] <bluekuja> mshima, please add a bug watcher for debian
[02:58] <bluekuja> not the link itself
[02:58] <bluekuja> :)
[02:58] <bluekuja> (if you are the original reporter)
[02:58] <ajmitch> oh well, sleep time now :)
[02:59] <bluekuja> gnight ajmitch :)
[02:59] <persia> mshima: How would you like comments on the proposed package?
[03:00] <mshima> should I upload it to revu?
[03:00] <bluekuja> mshima, are you package's author?
[03:01] <mshima> I just changed some things..
[03:01] <bluekuja> mshima, well, if you want it in, upload it on REVU
[03:01] <mshima> libvirt I updated the ubuntu' s one
[03:02] <bluekuja> MOTUs will take a look
[03:03] <mshima> one minute
[03:03] <mshima> and libvirt?
[03:04] <mshima> libvirt is in main, what should I do?
[03:05] <bluekuja> mshima, huh^
[03:05] <bluekuja> *?
[03:05] <bluekuja> you have packaged libvirt too?
[03:06] <mshima> yes ubuntu repos has version 0.1.8 and the upstream version is 0.2.2
[03:07] <bluekuja> mshima, you can upload it to REVU too, I think..but you need core-dev comments for it
[03:07] <bluekuja> or simply work with ajmitch that wanted to update it
[03:08] <mshima> I made only 2 changes over the one of repos.
[03:08] <mshima> but ok
[03:09] <bmm> persia: learning dpatch is going to take me some time, so don't expect a new version today ;-) I'll get back to the channel once I've learned and applied it.
[03:09] <persia> bmm: OK.  Ask here if you get stuck.  Good luck.
[03:10] <bmm> thanks, will do
[03:11] <pygi> bmm, it's trivial ;)
[03:12] <persia> bmm: Rather, ask pygi to help :)
[03:13] <pygi> no, no, I know nothing :P
[03:13] <pygi> persia is your persn :p
[03:13] <pygi> person*
[03:14] <bmm> Just tried "dpatch-edit-patch 01_toolstobash" expecting it to work, but that ended in a stop, telling me that my rules wasn't ready yet... I'll keep at it, needing no one!
[03:15] <pygi> hehe
[03:15] <afflux> Adri2000: ping
[03:17] <afflux> Adri2000: I think I didn't really understand your last comment in bug 118531... The ubuntu changes were merged into debian, so we could sync now. Afaik we don't need any changelog entries, if we do only a sync..?
[03:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118531 in xchm "Please merge xchm 2:1.13-3 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118531
[03:20] <AndyP> afflux: he means change the bug title and description to request the sync instead of a merge and include the changelog entry in the description of the bug report
[03:22] <bmm> haha, about the patch rule of dpatch, it states in dpath.make(7) "the one that exists, and is not depended upon by another one". dh_make only leaves you with rules that depend on each other :-)
[03:23] <bmm> I can just do "config.status: configure" -> "config.status: patch configure", right?
[03:23] <persia> bmm: Right.
[03:23] <StevenK> Or configure: patch
[03:23] <persia> bmm: Don't forget to unpatch in clean:
[03:23] <bmm> that one was easy :-P
[03:24] <afflux> AndyP: doh. I thaught he talked about the package itself. ;)
[03:25] <bmm> StevenK: configure is not defined inside of my debian/rules
[03:27] <persia> bmm: Don't define it.  Since configure already exists, it will assume it to already be patched if you use configure: patch.
[03:29] <bmm> persia: yeah, I just used "config.status: configure" -> "config.status: patch configure", I'm now working on the dpatch-edit-patch part
[03:29] <mshima> How can I make a core-dev to take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5410
[03:29] <mshima> ?
[03:30] <persia> mshima: You can't.  You can request review here, and a core-dev may be amoung your reviewers.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> bribes accepted.
[03:31] <mshima> persia: ok
[03:34] <bmm> Nobody said it, but I should probably add dpatch as a build-dependency, right?
[03:35] <persia> bmm: Ideally.
[03:36] <bmm> And I should remove the Nom-maintainer-upload? Or should I just leave it there for the enjoyment of the debian folks?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> remvoe ti
[03:36] <persia> bmm: For new Ubuntu packages, it should be removed.
[03:36] <bmm> k
[03:37] <mruiz> hi all :-)
[03:49] <bmm> Any MOTU: I'm looking for the first advocate for the just updated ccbuild http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5413
[03:49] <Fujitsu> .
[03:49] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu's now offered to review it.  thanks, Fujitsu
[03:53] <Fujitsu> Evil binary serial protocols.
[03:59] <persia> mshima: If you've already uploaded to REVU, it's generally easier to include the REVU URL in the new version bug description, and helpful for review to include an interdiff or the output of `diff -urN foo-x.y/debian foo-x.z/debian`.
[04:00] <mshima> persia: then I attach the interdiff in the bug?
[04:01] <StevenK> persia: Or a debdiff of the two .dsc's
[04:01] <persia> mshima: That's what I've done.  Note that interdiff doesn't always do the right thing: sometimes you need the diff -urN to make it readable.
[04:02] <persia> StevenK: Does that work for new upstreams?  I always had difficulties clearly deliniating packaging changes from upstream changes with debdiff.
[04:02] <StevenK> persia: Sort of.
[04:02] <mshima> persia: thanks
[04:04] <man-di> persia: debdiff ... | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*'
[04:04] <man-di> persia: this shows you only changes in debian dir
[04:05] <man-di> persia: and changes to upstream should be normally handled by patch files in debian/patches
[04:05] <persia> man-di: For perfect packages, that's nice, but I've seen far too many native patches laying around to trust that.  Good hint though.
[04:05] <man-di> persia: well, right
[04:06] <man-di> persia: dont totally trust it
[04:06] <man-di> but you get a nice picture
[04:08] <persia> man-di: I agree it's a handy tool when comparing two versions, but I'm not sure it's the best source of a first glance for a reviewer.  On the other hand, I actually like reading diffs and diffs of diffs, so perhaps I have an odd viewpoint.
[04:29] <bmm> persia: thanks for the advocation and the help!
[04:30] <persia> bmm: No problems.  Thanks for preparing the package.
[04:31] <nixternal> persia: !!!
[04:31] <nixternal> wth you been hiding?
[04:32] <nixternal> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5393
[04:32] <persia> nixternal: My productivity is inversely proportional to my time in channel, and I wanted to feed things back to Debian.
[04:32] <nixternal> there is the new package, I split it up
[04:32] <StevenK> persia: Oh, you lie!
[04:32] <nixternal> I am going to RFS that for Debian, and then sync it here..but I wanted to get your opinions on it before I go back to Debian with it
[04:33] <nixternal> marrilat said he has no plans of getting it into Debian
[04:33] <persia> StevenK: ?
[04:33] <StevenK> "[00:33]  < persia> nixternal: My productivity is inversely proportional to my time in channel, ..."
  Do you want a full review?
[04:36] <nixternal> persia: if you have time sure
[04:37] <nixternal> then what I will do is take it back to unstable, change the control a little and RFS it back into Debian with marillat's note
[04:38] <nixternal> persia: if you could please...what all flags do you use with lintian that gives you all of the reports you look at?
[04:38] <nixternal> I was trying to figure out how to do it so I can see the directory size and structure
[04:38] <persia> nixternal: My preferred lintian and linda flags are listed at MOTU/Contributing.  Be sure to run them on both source.changes and arch.changes to run all the checks.
[04:39] <nixternal> gotcha
[04:41] <StevenK> So, UTC 5?
[04:43] <lionel> bluekuja: are you around ?
[04:44] <nixternal> mornin' here in UTC 5 as well :)
[04:44] <bluekuja> lionel: yeah
[04:44] <lionel> bluekuja: I try to understand your last merge of pymsnt
[04:45] <lionel> Debian changelog say
[04:45] <lionel>   * Incorporate Ubuntu's 130_twisted_2.5.patch for twisted 2.5 compatibility.
[04:45] <lionel>     It's needed because the twisted.scripts.twistd module no longer has a
[04:45] <lionel>     checkPID function. However the checkPID function is available in the
[04:45] <lionel>     twisted.scripts._twistd_unix' module.
[04:45] <lionel> and in remaining changes, we have
[04:45] <lionel>      - debian/patches/130_twisted_2.5.patch: Add patch to work with Twisted 2.5.
[04:46] <bluekuja> lionel, that's strange to have it applied then
[04:47] <lionel> bluekuja: if you say that your work is strange, what should I say ? :)
[04:47] <bluekuja> lionel, anyway my fault didnt see the previous changelog entry
[04:48] <bluekuja> lionel, the strange is that the patch is applied on a tree where that patch has been already included
[04:48] <lionel> bluekuja: changes does not conflict
[04:48] <lionel> no reasons to fail
[04:48] <lionel> Ok, I will reject my request sync...
[04:49] <lionel> bluekuja: Ok, never mind, your sponsor should also have detected it :)
[04:49] <lionel> thanks for the clarification
[04:50] <bluekuja> lionel, dont worry, thanks to you for pointing it out
[04:50] <nixternal> thank goodness for revu...I just rm'd my damn kplayer directory :)
[04:51] <Hobbsee> haha, ouch
[04:51] <nixternal> ok maybe I didn't...man i must be a cd dummy this morning
[04:51] <persia> nixternal: "Real Men don't make backups. They upload it via ftp and let the world mirror it.'' --Linus Torvalds.
[04:51] <nixternal> I have no clue wth I was looking but thought it was gone
[04:52] <nixternal> persia: well then, I guess I am a real man then :)
[04:52] <nixternal> my daddy will be proud!
[05:01] <jgw_> the version of cacti in dapper drake is an old version with several vulnerabilities. is it appropriate to file a "bug report" on this, as i believe this is the LTS version?
[05:02] <jgw_> our dapper cacti box was 0wned yesterday by automated scanners
[05:02] <jgw_> the dapper version of cacti is several versions behind
[05:04] <etank> <possible dumb question> Is what jgw_ is asking for considered a backport?
[05:05] <jgw_> its in universe
[05:05] <StevenK>      cacti | 0.8.6h-1ubuntu3.1 | dapper-security/universe | source, all
[05:05] <StevenK>      cacti | 0.8.6h-3~dapper1 | dapper-backports/universe | source, all
[05:06] <jgw_> i guess i just need to track down what i responsibly need to do, as i'm sure there are plenty of other dapper cacti users out there, who apt-get upgrade all day long, but are still vulnerable
[05:06] <StevenK> jgw_: Was that -security version installed?
[05:07] <jgw_> StevenK: yes
[05:07] <StevenK> Crap.
[05:08] <StevenK> The next step is find the vulnerable code and prepare a patch for it.
[05:08] <nixternal> you weren't use God for your password were you ;p
[05:08] <nixternal> s/use/using
[05:08] <_MMA_> lol
[05:09] <nixternal> jgw_: you aren't the first person I heard say that about cacti either...it seems the admins at the uni switched a Debian box to Red Hat because they were sick of not getting fed the stable updates
[05:09] <_MMA_> I actually rented that from Netflix a couple of weeks ago and realized it wasnt as good as I remembered.
[05:09] <nixternal> hehe, come on...Acid Burn rocks!
[05:09] <_MMA_> :)
[05:10] <nixternal> her laptop had all kinds of elite frame buffers with like 32mb of ram
[05:10] <jgw_> nixternal: i dont blame ubuntu, cacti is horrible :)
[05:10] <jgw_> horribly written, but extremely useful
[05:10] <nixternal> heh, well we are talking about an admin who probably just set up his first linux box
[05:10] <jgw_> nixternal: the bot hacked in via a vulnerability in graph_image.php
[05:10] <nixternal> then again, the school needs to shut off "finger" on their DNS servers...god I love having a Sun box at the uni sometimes
[05:11] <jgw_> there's an exploit where you can execute arbitrary shell commands
[05:11] <StevenK> jgw_: In which case you can diff graph_image.php between the version in Dapper, and the newest upstream version.
[05:11] <jgw_> as user www-data
[05:11] <jgw_> StevenK: that fixes MY issue, but doesnt mitigate the risk to other LTS users
[05:11] <StevenK> jgw_: File a bug in Launchpad, mark it as Security, and get someone here to look at it.
[05:11] <nixternal> now that will
[05:11] <jgw_> StevenK: should i take some sort of action and report this?
[05:11] <jgw_> StevenK: excellent, thanks :)
[05:12] <StevenK> jgw_: File a bug and attach the patch if you can come up with one, I meant.
[05:12] <jgw_> StevenK: so its not as simple as upgrading the package to 0.8.6j?
[05:13] <StevenK> No, that just isn't going to happen.
[05:13] <jgw_> ok gotcha
[05:13] <StevenK> If there's a CVE number, put it in the bug report, saves us trying to track it down.
[05:13] <jgw_> i am off to SF for WWDC soon, but will work on it and try to get something going before i jet off
[05:13] <jgw_> ok
[05:13] <jgw_> thanks again
[05:14] <jgw_> it appears that graph_image has had a series of this type of vulnerability
[05:14] <jgw_> i found an older CVE on versions prior to f
[05:15] <StevenK> Maybe you should tell cacti upstream to not give up their day job. :-P
[05:15] <jgw_> well, like i said, cacti is just horribly written
[05:15] <jgw_> its a shame its so useful
[05:18] <elmargol> maybe a other distribution already has this fix?
[05:20] <jgw_> i imagine 7.04 might ;)
[05:21] <jgw_> graph_image.php is really small
[05:21] <jgw_> i'm just going back through our logs now, to verify some stuff
[05:23] <persia> nixternal: I've commented on kplayer.
[05:24] <nixternal> thank you
[05:26] <nixternal> I was looking at the manpage garbage and trying to find a package similar from debian, and most of the packages I grabbed didn't have the manpages...so I need to create a quick one from scratch probably
[05:27] <nixternal> waste of space and time truthfully, since it doesn't have any command line flags
[05:28] <nixternal> ooh, it does have some
[05:28] <nixternal> ahh the typical kde, qt and all..nothing special
[05:28] <Adri2000> afflux: pong
[05:29] <persia> nixternal: Even if there's not much, the Description is nice, and given the size, a FILES section might be interesting.
[05:30] <afflux> Adri2000: I didn't understand your last comment on bug 118531 cause I thought you were talking about the package itself instead of the bug. I think/hope I fixed everything now.
[05:30] <Adri2000> afflux: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[05:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118531 in xchm "Please sync xchm (universe) 2:1.13-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118531
[05:31] <afflux> Adri2000: in general, can we use the "requestsync" script from devscripts?
[05:31] <afflux> Adri2000: ah, just saw the last paragraph on the wiki page.
[05:32] <Adri2000> afflux: yes, just change the code to not confirm the bug and to subscribe u-u-s instead of ubuntu-archive
[05:32] <persia> afflux: Or wait.  requestsync has seen recent work, and may be more useful soon.
[05:32] <StevenK> Actually, the version of devscripts I just uploaded to Gutsy has a requestsync script which takes a -s option which does that.
[05:33] <afflux> ah, cool.
[05:33] <persia> StevenK: I the tribe 1 freeze off yet?  I haven't seen heaps of archive activity.
[05:33] <StevenK> persia: Seems to be.
[05:34] <persia> Not for me :(
[05:36] <Hobbsee> persia: yeah, i'ts all out of UNAPPROVED, at least.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> not sure if hte buildds are on manual though
[05:36] <somerville32> I really like whats happened to the motu wiki.
[05:36] <somerville32> It is now actually useful!
[05:37] <Adri2000> afflux: one "(universe)" in the summary is enough :) ; "The upstream version includes all ubuntu changes" please explicitly say what are the ubuntu changes (ie. desktop file fix), and it's rather Debian version, not upstream.
[05:39] <afflux> Adri2000: sorry, I seem to be asleep at the switch
[05:40] <persia> Hobbsee: I'm currently most interested in flac-1.1.4, which is built, just not yet distributed.  I'm guessing it'll be sorted tomorrow.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> persia: check if the buildds are set to AUTO or manual
[05:41] <Hobbsee> (via LP)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> persia: perhaps it's waiting on hte publisher run?
[05:42] <persia> Hobbsee: That's what I thought.  I'm guessing publisher was manual for tribe 1, and that it's being addressed presently, so new stuff will appear soon.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> it was taken off manual 1:20 ago
[05:44] <Hobbsee> assuming it all got taken off, not just some
[05:45] <afflux> Adri2000: okay that way?
[05:47] <Adri2000> afflux: yes, thanks, I will ack it in a moment
[05:47] <afflux> thank you
[05:48] <persia> Hobbsee: Odd.  I'm either confused by the output of `apt-cache madison flac`, or am not interpreting https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds?build_state=built&build_text=flac correctly.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> persia: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=flac
[05:52] <Hobbsee> persia: new binaries, it appears.
[05:53] <persia> Hobbsee: Right.  So why do I get http://pastebin.ca/547977?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> persia: because the binary NEW only holds back the binaries, not the sources.
[05:53] <persia> Ahh..  You answered my question before I asked :)  Thanks.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:53] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:53] <Hobbsee> it's confusing
[05:56] <RainCT> Hi
[05:58] <geser> StevenK: I'm just looking at the patched requestsync. Fetching the changelog won't work for libs.
[05:59] <geser> if sourcepkg is e.g. libgnome, sourcepkg[0]
[06:00] <geser> will produce a 'l' and not the 'g' you need to append to 'lib'
[06:07] <geser> StevenK: does "affect ubuntu/<srcpkg>" work for new packages (LP doesn't know about it yet)?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> geser: StevenK went to bed.
[06:09] <geser> ok
[06:09] <geser> does he read his scrollback?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> usually, i think
[06:15] <persia> geser: Do I remember correctly that you use vpnc?  Would you have time to test bug 92570?
[06:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92570 in network-manager-vpnc "nm-applet dissapears after connecting to vpn" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92570
[06:21] <geser> persia: yes, I use vpnc but without NM at home and vpnc with NM on my notebook for the wifi access at the university
[06:22] <persia> geser: Thanks.  The patch looks sensible (if a dirty hack) to me, but I can't confirm it still works after application.
[06:29] <pochu> beuno: you have seen there's a new MOTU, haven't you? :)
[06:29] <pochu> (for the UWN)
[06:30] <nixternal> persia: how should I add this manpage? put it in debian/ and manually install it? or should I make it into a patch and place it into the source?
[06:31] <beuno> pochu: nope, can you email me some info on it?
[06:31] <pochu> nixternal: put it in debian/ and call dh_installman debian/<package>.1
[06:32] <persia> nixternal: I recommend putting it in debian/, and sending it upstream.  In either case, you probably want to install it with dh_installman.
[06:32] <pochu> beuno: Sure thing :)
[06:32] <beuno> pochu: thanks so much}
[06:34] <nixternal> heh
[06:36] <nixternal> persia: should I put that under install/foo::
[06:37] <persia> nixternal: CDBS does it for you: just populate debian/kplayer.manpages
[06:37] <nixternal> roger
[06:41] <pochu> beuno: sent
[06:48] <nixternal> persia: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=5414
[06:48] <nixternal> that should be the one!
[06:52] <persia> nixternal: Great.  I'll take a look in the morning :)
[09:09] <LaserJock> alrighty
[09:09] <LaserJock> I need some perl help
[09:10] <LaserJock> if ($version =~ /-[^.-] +(\.[^.-] +)?(\.[^.-] +)?$/) {
[09:10] <LaserJock> I want to add an "and" in there
[09:12] <LaserJock> can I just do s/}/ and (stuff here) {/ ?
[09:12] <tsmithe> try it and see?
[09:13] <LaserJock> hmm, I think I want to do it in the ()
[09:13] <tsmithe> that would make more sense
[09:13] <tsmithe> or i guess you could open another set of parentheses, and stick ( (...) and (...) )
[09:13] <tsmithe> but i'm talking out my arse
[09:21] <will_________> Hey, I requested a backport of blender 2.44 from gutsy and got the following reply in e-mail, what's it mean and what do I do?
[09:22] <will_________> b/i/r in prevu
[09:22] <will_________> +1 feisty
[09:22] <mr_pouit> b/i/r means builds/installs/removes
[09:24] <icf7> can anyone point me to an example implementation of get-orig-source for a sourceforge project?
[09:24] <lionel> mr_pouit: r does not mean run ?
[09:25] <mr_pouit> lionel: ah yes ^^
[09:25] <lionel> :)
[09:27] <will_________> So how do I obtain it?
[09:27] <lionel> will_________: everything is fine. You have to wait (yes, sorry) for the hack of a member of the backport team
[09:28] <lionel> and after an archive admin will do the backport
[09:28] <will_________> Alright sounds good.  How long could it possibly take?
[09:28] <lionel> IIRC, jdong told he will hack backports this week-end
[09:28] <lionel> so you can hope this for next week
[09:29] <will_________> how will I know when it's added?
[09:30] <lionel> comments will be added in the bug you filed
[09:31] <AndyP> i've been on campus for hours, installing fedora 7 on a room of computers :(
[09:33] <crevette> hello
[09:34] <crevette> I tried to push a package to REVU to be reviewed by GNOME Desktop Team, but I received an error
[09:34] <crevette> Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main' of file 'gdm_2.19.2-0ubuntu1.dsc'
[09:34] <crevette> what should I do with the package
[09:34] <lionel> crevette: you did not push it to REVU but to ubuntu
[09:35] <crevette> ah
[09:35] <crevette> :)
[09:36] <crevette> I read in the wiki "Since Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake), dput is already configured for REVU uploads"
[09:36] <crevette> so I acted
[09:36] <lionel> hum...
[09:37] <crevette> ah okay
[09:37] <lionel> crevette: are you part of Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe ?
[09:37] <crevette> I should ...
[09:38] <crevette> default_host_main = ubuntu
[09:38] <geser> crevette: dput knows about revu, but revu is not default: dput revu your_pkg.changes
[09:38] <crevette> :)
[09:38] <crevette> geser: yepo
[09:39] <crevette> thanks
[09:40] <crevette> quick and efficient
[09:40] <crevette> :)
[09:44] <crevette> argh
[09:44] <crevette> the dput transfer started, stalled and then failed
[09:45] <crevette> I cannot upload my package anymore
[09:46] <LaserJock> crevette: you're uploading gdm to REVU?
[09:47] <crevette> yep
[09:47] <LaserJock> how big is the .orig.tar.gz?
[09:47] <crevette> 6372709
[09:47] <LaserJock> it's on there
[09:48] <crevette> too big ?
[09:48] <LaserJock> wait a few minutes for the cron job and it should be up
[09:48] <crevette> what happened ?
[09:48] <LaserJock> 6372709 2007-06-07 15:33 gdm_2.19.2.orig.tar.gz is what I have on REVU
[09:49] <crevette> Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of gdm_2.19.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:50] <LaserJock> did you try uploading more than once
[09:50] <crevette> after the error I tryed again twice
[09:50] <LaserJock> if it's already there it will complan
[09:50] <crevette> the first error was
[09:50] <crevette> Error '(110, 'Connection timed out')' during ftp transfer of gdm_2.19.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[09:51] <LaserJock> oh, right
[09:51] <LaserJock> use dput -f or remove the .upload file
[09:51] <RainCT> crevette: I just submitted a patch for gdm 2.19.1, is it too late to get it in if the problem is still there on .2?
[09:53] <crevette> you have the bug number ?
[09:54] <crevette> LaserJock: okay i try that right now
[09:55] <crevette> LaserJock: it doens't work
[09:56] <LaserJock> what did it do?
[09:57] <crevette> error 503
[11:12] <dholbach> does http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes/CheckingLibrarySymbols make sense to everybody?
[11:13] <crimsun> dholbach: looks nice.  Might want to link to what "you will need to update the version" implies.
[11:14] <dholbach> yes
[11:14] <dholbach> that should be covered in another howto maybe
[11:14] <crimsun> yes.
[11:14] <crimsun> and I should really write up that schroot wiki page...
[11:15] <dholbach> we need more recipes :)
[11:15] <dholbach> so people play with the tools a bit before they ask for a mentor :)
[11:16] <LaserJock> dholbach: that's sweet
[11:17] <dholbach> now somebody needs to upload ubuntu-dev-tools :)
[11:17] <dholbach> I hope the time for everybody agreeing on GPL was long enough
[11:18] <crimsun> what about the guys working in nexenta?
[11:18] <crimsun> did we consider them?
[11:18] <dholbach> oh... agree on GPL for the tools in ubuntu-dev-tools
[11:18] <dholbach> because all of them were without copyright notices
[11:19] <crimsun> right.  Does Nexenta or whatever use GPL?
[11:19] <dholbach> they ship most of the stuff we do
[11:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: I think they'd be kinda sunk if they didn't
[11:21] <LaserJock> I think they use all the GNU tools
[11:39] <ajmitch> morning
[11:39] <pochu> Hey ajmitch
[11:54] <icf7> Should I include a debian/README.Debian-source file if I provide rules: get-orig-source ?


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[19:37] <Tumie> there wasn't a UWN this week right?
[19:37] <Tumie> or was that last week?
[19:40] <myrtlebeachbums> Last week. UWN 123 went out on Sunday.
[19:42] <myrtlebeachbums> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue123
[19:54] <Tumie> thanks,
[19:54] <myrtlebeachbums> NP
[19:55] <Tumie> that means i thought that their was no UWN.. but their was... no NL translation this weak :\
[19:55] <Tumie> *week


[09:35] <nijaba> SpamapS: if you read this at some point, could you add rsync as a build dep for lp:ubuntu/charm-tools ? thanks


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 @hacker12455 [Well the biggest problem is that it does not compile at all for now], Pretty much yeah
 Huh, I'm surprised none of the pixel devices are supported
 @Gartral [Huh, I'm surprised none of the pixel devices are supported], It is not that we do not like Pixel, we just dont have a support for Android > 7.1
 I was unaware that was a requirement
 @Flohack [It is not that we do not like Pixel, we just dont have a support for Android > 7 …], Yet
 @Gartral [I was unaware that was a requirement], As Ubuntu Touch runs a small Android container below its main parts, we are bound to the stability of its interfaces. And well, Android is everything but stable with every version... Kinda every Android is like a new product ^^
 So you dont start from 0, but from very low level
 @Flohack [As Ubuntu Touch runs a small Android container below its main parts, we are boun …], Oh trust me, I am painfully aware
 But Some people are working on 8.0/9.0 support, still we are far away from that. Most resources go now into supporting the upcoming Non-Android-devices as it will be much more efficient for a small team like us
 Fair enough
 @Flohack [But Some people are working on 8.0/9.0 support, still we are far away from that. …], This is only for the pine devices and librem5 ATM right? When they come out and are ready, theyll need to be maintained, but porting wise, will we then work on 8.0/9.0 work on porting to phones we can port to without supporting later a
[11:19] <ubptgbot> ndroid versions, or is it hush hush?
 @PhoenixLandPirate [This is only for the pine devices and librem5 ATM right? When they come out and …], First part of question: Yes. Second part I dont fully get
 @Flohack [First part of question: Yes. Second part I dont fully get], The devices are coming out before Christmas, and a lot of work has been done to make sure the OS and images are ready before the release of the devices. … My question, maybe a bit to early, but was refering to, what's the priority after those devices come out?
[11:26] <ubptgbot>  … Mostly refering to if efforts will go to helping halium work on new androids, or if the effort would be on older devices, or if we then take a break from the porting process to focus more on the core os? Etc.
 hi i am ubuntu touch user on my nexus 5 gps dont work anymore! Someone can help me?
 @PhoenixLandPirate [The devices are coming out before Christmas, and a lot of work has been done to …], Ah ok. I think the community has alraed grown enough to say that Halium is and will continue with great efforts. So while the core UT team might not focus on Android devices, there are enough people to drive this forward. Indeed we will
[11:38] <ubptgbot>  have to consider also what to do with next LTS: Either 18.04 or 20.04 are on the horizon, and that will be a lot of work
 SO you can expect a bit of everything ^^
 @Flohack [Ah ok. I think the community has alraed grown enough to say that Halium is and w …], Halium is impressive, I'm impressed by all the porting that's going on, I haven't heard much about the move to support 8.0 or 9.0 devices, but it's a strong project, so I believe in the people behind it! … Moving to the newest lts will
[11:50] <ubptgbot>  be a monumental task, I imagine it'd be 20.04 because then we won't have to worry about the upgrading again for an extra 2 years.
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 @PhoenixLandPirate [Halium is impressive, I'm impressed by all the porting that's going on, I haven' …], Yes thats why we want to aim for 20.04
 A new device for porting 😆 … https://nitter.net/thepine64/status/1172648370550136832
 @RedXXIII [A new device for porting 😆 … https://nitter.net/thepine64/status/1172648370550136 …], It works with a Linux smartphone. It's not a Linux watch.
 @pjk2012 [It works with a Linux smartphone. It's not a Linux watch.], not both? it does not have an OS?
 i doubt you can build a linux 'friendly' device with the amount of battery time that you easily wear on your wrist..
 this is one of the nice devices on which  you want to run a tiny rtos or a  barebone  application
 @Alex [hi i am ubuntu touch user on my nexus 5 gps dont work anymore! Someone can help …], Switch off screen lock temporarily  and open a maps application and let it sit for a while until it calibrates on your location, then your gps should work fine and like normal after that.
 @RedXXIII [not both? it does not have an OS?], Yes, FreeRTOS
 👍
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 @RedXXIII [not both? it does not have an OS?], we could try to bulild apps that interact, would be great since the pebble is gone
 @mateosalta [we could try to bulild apps that interact, would be great since the pebble is go …], ok =)
 Hi , is anyone builds port here?
 some people are
 Can anyone build port for me?
 not necessarily
[13:43] <ubptgbot> <Alexander Pankiv> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/n0WZO67w.webp
 porting requires having the device in question, it can take a long time to do it, and everyone here is volunteering time to work on parts of the project
 So it requires providing a device to port and enough funds to fund it for long time
 The latter is best spend on the halium project
 [Edit] So it requires providing a device to port and enough funds to fund the porting process for a long time
 [Edit] The latter of which is best spend on the halium project
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 anywhere know to how install in windows phone?
 you cannot
 ok. thanks.
 You could try and port it to any of the Android4Lumia devices
 Is it possible to port without Ubuntu
 yes. you don't need to run ubuntu to port a device
 see https://docs.halium.org/ for how to port the initial halium parts
 but you need to run sane enough Linux distro and Ubuntu is usually easiest in terms of env setup
 @dohbee [see https://docs.halium.org/ for how to port the initial halium parts], Are u an expert? Can u tell me something?
 i can tell you to read the docs :P
 i have never ported a device myself, no
 I wanted to know if I can use UserLand to unpack boot.img on android
 are the kernel/vendor trees for your device published? is it android 7.1 based?
 @Santosh [I wanted to know if I can use UserLand to unpack boot.img on android], no, just repacking existing builds won't work
 we need kernel modifications
 Can I run stream ripper on Ubuntu in userland
 Why there's no station ripper app on android. Ripping songs from shoutcast radio stream
 i don't know what that is, but it seems like you're getting off topic
 @dohbee [i don't know what that is, but it seems like you're getting off topic], Its the main reason why I start wondering about Ubuntu running on android
 UT is not ubuntu running on android. it is a different OS replacing android
 it is not traditional PC ubuntu on your phone
 we use a very small part of android to get hardware working, but it's not like running ubuntu on your PC is
 So I should go away then.  … Any idea how to rip internet radio streams
 this is not the right group to discuss that
 @dohbee [it is not traditional PC ubuntu on your phone], Almost. Until the PC version still grow and grow.
 @liberacuriser [Almost. Until the PC version still grow and grow.], ubuntu + unity8 is not UT, and that doesn't change the facts
 at the moment, ubuntu is just raw on the phones. Even without X.org commonplace no Snap support
 still take into account the android core, a different data structure (this is not ext4)
 rootfs is ext4
 i don't know what you just said, but i don't think you understand
 ext4 is definitely used (though it would be nice if we could use f2fs everywhere)
 and indeed, snap does not work on 3.4 kernels
 and whatever you mean by "just raw" is completely not understandable
 I think he tried to translate "сырая" from Russian, which means basic/alpha in slang
 @NotKit [I think he tried to translate "сырая" from Russian, which means basic/alpha in s …], yeap
 Sorry, I'm learning this language
 it is not ubuntu. it is ubuntu touch
 @dohbee [it is not ubuntu. it is ubuntu touch], I know but you say that it's like a traditional PC Ubuntu in your phone
 snap support really doesn't make sense because the goals of snap don't align with phones so much
 @liberacuriser [I know but you say that it's like a traditional PC Ubuntu in your phone], no i didn't. i said exactly the opposite. it is nothing like a traditional PC
 Oh, srry
 LoL
 and people who assume it is, will be disappointed by it
 @dohbee [it is not traditional PC ubuntu on your phone], I didn't saw "not"
 @dohbee [snap support really doesn't make sense because the goals of snap don't align wit …], but this is support for desktop applications
 x11 apps in snaps is an afterthought of snap design
 https://news.softpedia.com/news/watch-ubuntu-touch-running-on-the-pinephone-open-source-linux-smartphone-527685.shtml
 i suppose that can be allowed
 @hacker12455 [Well the biggest problem is that it does not compile at all for now], The screenshot or mock up looked impressive enough, I hope someone does jump on it, because it'll be a great app to have with us, it's one of the more popular messaging apps so not having it makes it harder to switch.
 @dohbee [snap support really doesn't make sense because the goals of snap don't align wit …], This statement confuses me, because snaps came from clicks, so my assumption would be that, snap is designed for phone, but expanded ability's that are designed around desktop. … What are problems that snaps give us that we don't have w
[20:46] <ubptgbot> ith click packages? I remember storage being mentioned, and I assume it'd probably add desktop only apps to the store, but I believe we could filter them with a tag or something, idk I haven't researched snaps to much, other than installing them on desktop, and when they first came out I looked into it a bit.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [This statement confuses me, because snaps came from clicks, so my assumption wou …], snaps did not come from clicks. so the assumption that they are directly related simply because the one came after the other, is the cause of your confusion
 snap was designed for IoT
 it basically shares nothing with clicks. really the only thing the two have in common, is that they are packaging formats
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 That's quite wild considering I thought they where so close
 One created the other, but through a removed process. The snap team took what they learned from clicks to create the format.
 It wasn't `git clone click`, but rather `git init`
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