[23:02] <K99Brain> jlaroche, i think that uninstalling that package has removed some other (like a dependence), but i don't know which..
[23:03] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> i got a question im new to ubuntu and linux and my sound doesnt work
[23:03] <jlaroche> K99Brain - thats what I think
[23:03] <Armychimp> I just installed Netbook remix on my acer A150 and everything runs ok but the mouse is very jerky, any suggestions?
[23:03] <jlaroche> K99Brain - I am really pissed right now
[23:03] <MaT-dg> Andorin: so that is the static config and is not working?
[23:03] <jlaroche> K99Brain - how could one figure out what packages it removed?
[23:03] <K99Brain> jlaroche, maybe the simplier thing to do is reinstalling
[23:03] <f00dn00b> what is a vm?
[23:03] <Andorin> MaT-dg: When I connect through the new connection, that we just made, it gives me access.
[23:03] <JoeM> what works best on 8.10 64 bit (preferably multi-threaded), prime95/folding/seti?
[23:03] <Switch10> K99Brain: what soundcard do you have?
[23:03] <OttifantSir> !vm
[23:03] <Arney> Virtual Machine...
[23:04] <K99Brain> Switch10?
[23:04] <Switch10> Sorry dude
[23:04] <f00dn00b> ok
[23:04] <a514> If i leave this irc on will it fill up the memory and crash at 56k?
[23:04] <MaT-dg> Andorin: then there is no problem anymore?
[23:04] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> when i click on my sound it comes up with this The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[23:04] <jlaroche> K99Brain - god I am tired of this. I have so many tweaks on this laptop. Reinstalling would be a 15 hour fiasco
[23:04] <f00dn00b> can i still run all my games and photos in a vm?
[23:04] <jlaroche> K99Brain - and the sad thing is I was about to backup this laptop today
[23:04] <Arney> photos yes, Crisis no.
[23:05] <f00dn00b> crisis?
[23:05] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Well.... I'm not sure. The big issue behind all this has been port forwarding. I guess I get to test that now.
[23:05] <f00dn00b> whats that?
[23:05] <Out_Cold> jlaroche, i feel ya bud.. my re-install has taken me 2 days so far..
[23:05] <Switch10> Jonathan[UBUNTU8: wat soundcard do u have?
[23:05] <f00dn00b> a game?
[23:05] <jlaroche> OttifantSir - here is my issue
[23:05] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> im not sure
[23:05] <Lunar_Lamp> !ff3.5
[23:05] <jlaroche> hello. I am running Ubuntu Netbook Remix (9.04) on an eee 1000HE. I tried installing eeepc-acpi-utilities (as per the instructions on this website --> http://www.statux.org/content?page=catalog&catagory=1&product=eeepc-acpi ) and found that it didn't load anything / didn't do anything. I ran "sudo apt-get purge eeepc-acpi-utilities" and now my UNR GUI runs like molasses - complete utter garbage, and my "Visual Effects" (in Preference
[23:05] <jlaroche> s --> Appearances) is broken (set to none, and if i try to turn it on it says I can't). Any help would be appreciated - getting utterly enraged with how any tiny thing constantly breaks my linux systems...
[23:05] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> its a G4 PowerMac
[23:05] <Arney> ... your name is very descriptive. Yes, one of the most computer intensive games ever made
[23:05] <laeg> i did a 'sudo tasksel install lamp-server' earlier and killed the process when it was asking for a MySQL pass to be set, i want to undo it and i've tried sudo tasksel uninstall lamp-server which doesn't do anything - i've now also done a 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' because dpkg reports there are errors that need to be corrected, afterwhich i'm told there were erros while processing - what should i be entering please?
[23:05] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> it worked on my other G4 powermac
[23:06] <th0r> jlaroche: I keep a directory called helpfiles...it contains a hundred little text files with my notes about every tweak I have performed. On reinstall...I just go through those notes one at a time
[23:06] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> it acts like the driver isnt installed when i boot to Mac OS X the sound works but in ubuntu it doesnt
[23:06] <K99Brain> jlaroche, uhm, you said compiz don't work... try reinstalling that and the video driver..
[23:06] <tentencorp> hi,
[23:06] <f00dn00b> will a vm replace linux ubuntu?
[23:06] <tentencorp> its me again, i was getting a bios error for SCPI
[23:06] <jonex_> having problem with my multimedia
[23:06] <tentencorp> now i turned it off, and ubuntu install goes berserk! :(
[23:06] <tentencorp> USB error.. blah blah
[23:06] <anom01y> hi, I have two computers with ubuntu installed to both, I need to transfer files from one to the other, how do I set up file sharing ?
[23:06] <tentencorp> so many  errosz
[23:06] <Arney> no, it will run windows like a normal app, you can even use unity and run the windows of the guest operating system as if they were running on the host. its awesome.
[23:06] <Andorin> !giver | anom01y
[23:06] <Switch10> Jonathan[UBUNTU8: right click on the sound thing and go to volume controls and make sure all the sliders are up
[23:06] <OttifantSir> f00dn00b: Not the latest games, and if you played games on Windows that stretched your hardware capabilities to the limits, they probably won't run in a VM as it has to use less resources to leave some for the Host OS.
[23:07] <Andorin> anom01y: sudo apt-get install giver
[23:07] <f00dn00b> ok
[23:07] <f00dn00b> thanks
[23:07] <anom01y> Andorin, on the server or the client ?
[23:07] <Bullaro> I got Apache, Mysql and Phpmyadmin installed... but if I try to login in phpmyadmin i get: #2002 - The server is not responding (or the local MySQL server's socket is not correctly configured)
[23:07] <Andorin> anom01y: Install that on both computers.
[23:07] <tentencorp> anyone can help me? powerk8 bios error.. for SCHP ?
[23:07] <f00dn00b> how much would one of them cost?
[23:07] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> When i do switch10 it tells me thisNo volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[23:07] <jonex_> when I play Totem ....it crash the OS and log off
[23:07] <f00dn00b> would i install it or plug it into my pc?
[23:08] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> its a Digital Audo G4 PowerMac Tower
[23:08] <OttifantSir> jlaroche: I haven't used a netbook with Ubuntu, so not sure if this really helps you, but the way I got Desktop Effects back was by enabling MetaCity's compoziting feature, let it start, then disable it, and let it stop. After that I could use Desktop Effects.
[23:08] <Arney> depends, a some of them are free, just use the synaptic package manager
[23:08] <Switch10> Jonathan[UBUNTU8: go to device drivers under system
[23:08] <Andorin> MaT-dg: It looks like I still have my underlying issue: Ports will /not/ open.
[23:08] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> ok
[23:08] <Switch10> See if it can find anything
[23:08] <jonex_> nobody can help me?
[23:08] <laeg> how do i undo 'sudo tasksel install lamp-server'? replacing install with uninstall doesn't work and i've tried to apt-get unisntall it also..
[23:09] <tentencorp> hi i am having ACPI error problems, shall i switch ON ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:09] <Switch10> If not u might be doing some googling
[23:09] <f00dn00b> where would i buy a vm from?
[23:09] <Arney> jonex, click on the sound thing and play around
[23:09] <Switch10> f00dn00b: virtualbox is free and great
[23:09] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> ey switch10 all i see is hardware drivers not device drivers i have ubuntu 8.04 i cant install 9.04 becuase it cant find my CD-Rom Drivers
[23:09] <sdfg> I just installed windows 7, it's so good
[23:10] <Arney> sdfg: It rules!
[23:10] <MaT-dg> Andorin: well, a static IP and port forwarding are not related very much, when you fill in the correct IP in the router it works whether the IP is static or dynamic
[23:10] <f00dn00b> ok, where do i get that? would i be able to find it on the internet or in a shop
[23:10] <OttifantSir> f00dn00b: You can get one for free from www.virtualbox.org, or search Synaptic for virtualbox-ose. The latter doesn't have USB-support, the one from the website does.
[23:10] <tentencorp> cant no body help me :(
[23:10] <laeg> f00dn00b: it would be much easier to just use open office
[23:10] <Switch10> f00dn00b: search google
[23:10] <jlaroche> ottifantSir - the crappy thing is I don't even know if its the desktop effects being off that is making the UNR GUI slow as garbage. I am just guessing because they are off (and wont turn on) and I would imagine this should not be the case...
[23:10] <MaT-dg> Andorin: what application needs the forwarding?
[23:10] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Deluge.
[23:10] <f00dn00b> ok, so i install that and run microsoft word in it? is that all?
[23:10] <th0r> tentencorp: not in sixty seconds
[23:10] <f00dn00b> sounds easy enough =P
[23:10] <f00dn00b> thanks for the help!
[23:11] <Switch10> Jonathan[UBUNTU8: ya hardware drivers sorry
[23:11] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> ok
[23:11] <Switch10> Find anything?
[23:11] <OttifantSir> jlaroche: No, they shouldn't be turned off AND unable to turn on again. Do you want to try the easiest and most newbie way to MAYBE get them to work again?
[23:11] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> nope
[23:11] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> it doesnt have any drivers installed
[23:11] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> lol
[23:11] <f00dn00b> would i also be able to run my linux ubuntu programs in my vm?
[23:11] <Switch10> Macs are funny
[23:11] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> yea sometimes
[23:12] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> unless u have a intel mac
[23:12] <jlaroche> sure
[23:12] <MaT-dg> Andorin: sec I'll install it to know what I'm talking about ^^
[23:12] <Switch10> f00dn00b: no defeats the purpose
[23:12] <kongming> Hello Ubuntu, anyone here do youtube videos, and/or blogtv broadcasts
[23:12] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> intel macs are just like pc's besides their lack of viruses and stability lol
[23:12] <f00dn00b> then what is the purpose?
[23:12] <laeg> how do i undo 'sudo tasksel install lamp-server'? replacing install with uninstall doesn't work and i've tried to apt-get unisntall it also..
[23:12] <f00dn00b> will i lose the ability to run linux ubuntu programs altogether? or will there still be a way of running them?
[23:12] <Andorin> MaT-dg: The trouble was that my torrents wouldn't seed much at all. Now they ARE seeding, but Deluge still reports the port as being closed. Perhaps I ought to leave it alone now that it's working again.
[23:12] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> so switch i guess ill have to look for the driver online for my specific mac?
[23:12] <Switch10> f00dn00b: to run a windows or other os inside of your current os
[23:13] <f00dn00b> oh
[23:13] <f00dn00b> ok
[23:13] <Arney> f00dn00b: you can if you install ubuntu inside the VM, so you would be running 2 ubuntu's...
[23:13] <Switch10> Jonathan[UBUNTU8: yup sorry man
[23:13] <f00dn00b> i heard about a thing called wine for running windows with linux ubuntu, is that a vm?
[23:13] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> its ok im going to by a new mac soon its intel so i can run ubuntu with bootcamp and its so much more stable
[23:13] <Switch10> f00dn00b: no
[23:13] <mcr_> f00dn00b no
[23:13] <Jonathan[UBUNTU8> thanks Swtich10
[23:13] <f00dn00b> then what is it?
[23:14] <MaT-dg> Andorin: in deluge, do u have random ports disabled?
[23:14] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Yes, I have it set to use one specific port, which should be opened according to my router.
[23:14] <mcr_> f00dn00b it is a capatability layer meaning a lot (but not all) windows programs run natively in Ubuntu
[23:14] <kevdog> what vm is best in Ubuntu?
[23:14] <f00dn00b> capatability layer? how does that work?
[23:14] <mcr_> kevdog:  I like Virtualbox
[23:14] <Switch10> f00dn00b: it's an actual os that boots,runs, and shutsdown inside of your current os
[23:14] <MaT-dg> Andorin: ok, is it a high number like somewhere above 40 000 ?
[23:15] <Arney> kevdog: good question
[23:15] <f00dn00b> oh
[23:15] <OttifantSir> f00dn00b: A Virtual Machine is like a computer running inside a computer. If you install Ubuntu as Host, and a VM-manager, then Windows inside a VM, Windows will think it's running alone on the computer, even if it's running as a Guest of Ubuntu. This means also that if there are devices that don't work in Host, they won't work in Guest either, as the Host is what "donates" the machine to the guest. Ubuntu will run all the time, but a Windows-VM will
[23:15] <Switch10> I like virtual box as well
[23:15] <kevdog> Is the quality of the VM's have anything to do with underlying hardware?  There are a few VMs available.
[23:15] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Yeah, it's 58552. On my router I have 55001-62999 set to open for the address of this computer.
[23:15] <Pirate_Hunter> is there a command to find out if certain version of a package are installed i.e. libaiksausus?
[23:15] <tentencorp> can anybody help me, im having trouble installing ubuntu, i was advised to turn of ACPI in my bios but now its even worse... help ?
[23:15] <f00dn00b> so would i be able to run microsoft word in wine then?
[23:16] <MaT-dg> Andorin: isn't that port range triggering?
[23:16] <kevdog> 2 virtual box fans here
[23:16] <mcr_> tentencorp: Have you tried the alternative install CD?
[23:16] <firas> heyy guys .. i keep getting this message when i try to install anything on my laptop End-of-central-directory signature not found.  Either this file is not
[23:16] <firas>   a zipfile, or it constitutes one disk of a multi-part archive.  In the
[23:16] <firas>   latter case the central directory and zipfile comment will be found on
[23:16] <firas>   the last disk(s) of this archive.
[23:16] <FloodBot3> firas: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:16] <tentencorp> mcr_ what is that?
[23:16] <Switch10> f00dn00b: yup
[23:16] <Andorin> MaT-dg: I don't know anything about port triggering. I have it set, on my router, under Port Range Forward.
[23:16] <f00dn00b> oh good - thanks!
[23:16] <MaT-dg> Andorin: there's no need to set so many ports open since u configured only one
[23:16] <tentencorp> its not only in ubuntu its in all linux installations.. same thing happens...
[23:16] <ics> hi
[23:17] <Pirate_Hunter> is there a command to find out if certain version of a package are installed i.e. libaiksausus?
[23:17] <jlaroche> ottifantSir - easiest way?
[23:17] <f00dn00b> if i type exclamation mark then a word, will messenger tell me what it means?
[23:17] <f00dn00b> like !wine?
[23:17] <firas> hwo di i fix this thing
[23:17] <mcr_> tentencorp: Its another Ubuntu CD to download i am afraid and i have had better luck with it getting it to work on computers that are 'fussy' about the live CD
[23:17] <MaT-dg> Andorin: ah port range forward, the name can be a little different on each router but it's the same :) What u need is port forwarding
[23:17] <Switch10> Messenger??
[23:17] <f00dn00b> yes
[23:17] <tentencorp> its not a live CD. its 64 bit installation
[23:17] <laeg> how do i undo 'sudo tasksel install lamp-server'? replacing install with uninstall doesn't work and i've tried to apt-get unisntall it also..
[23:18] <MaT-dg> Andorin: you should find it somewhere close to port range forwarding
[23:18] <mcr_> tentencorp: get the 64bit alternative install CD
[23:18] <kevdog> is lamp-server a package?
[23:18] <f00dn00b> !wine
[23:18] <Switch10> laeg: use purge
[23:18] <lstarnes> kevdog: it's a task
[23:18] <f00dn00b> wow!
[23:18] <Andorin> MaT-dg: I have Port Range Forward, Port Triggering, DMZ and QoS.
[23:18] <lstarnes> laeg: remove, not uninstall
[23:18] <kevdog> sudo aptitude purge lamp-server
[23:18] <f00dn00b> !virtualizers
[23:19] <Andorin> MaT-dg: My modem is in DMZ so I don't think I want to set my router to it unless I have to..
[23:19] <f00dn00b> thanks ubottu!
[23:19] <kevdog> Whats virtualbox got the vmware doesnt?
[23:19] <Switch10> It's free
[23:19] <f00dn00b> !ubottu
[23:19] <mini|afk> f00dn00b: If you are talking about ubottu. There is a good way to alk to the bot. Type '/msg ubottu wine' in you chat window on the ubuntu channel and ubottu will send you a private message with the search results.
[23:19] <MaT-dg> Andorin: Port Triggering should be it
[23:19] <mcr_> kevdog: Ease of use and free
[23:19] <f00dn00b> ok thanks
[23:19] <OttifantSir> jlaroche: Without downloading anything else, here's how to do it: open gconf-editor. goto apps -> metacity -> general. Find compositing_manager and check the box. (I don't remember now if you have to save, wait for flicker and restart and uncheck and wait for flicker again, and can't check since I run Compiz) Anyway, that's how I enabled Desktop Effects.
[23:20] <kevdog> Oh, I thought vmware was free
[23:20] <f00dn00b> \msg ubottu wine
[23:20] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Alright, I get two sections for inputting port information... I have start/end for Triggered Range, and start/end for Forwarded Range.
[23:20] <firas> i keep getting thi s message everytime i try to install anything .. how do i fix it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/215820/
[23:20] <Mutation> does anyone know of a good monitoring application, I would like to monitor my clients workstations
[23:20] <f00dn00b> \msg ubottu wine Hello? is anyone there?
[23:20] <mini|afk> f00dn00b: / not \ ;)
[23:20] <Switch10> I think the free version of VMware is crippled slightly
[23:20] <OttifantSir> jlaroche: Sorry I didn't see your answer sooner, but you only said sure without saying my name, so it wasn't highlighted and got lost in the "flood of the channel":-(
[23:20] <pam> kevdog: some VMware products are free (Player, ESXi, ...), not all of them (workstation)
[23:20] <szymek> I am :P
[23:21] <f00dn00b>  / not \ message ubottu wine hello?
[23:21] <kevdog> Imagine that -- I guess I should do some reading :P
[23:21] <mini|afk> f00dn00b: /msg ubottu wine
[23:21] <f00dn00b>  /msg ubottu wine
[23:21] <f00dn00b> it isn't working
[23:21] <Andorin> f00dn00b: No space.
[23:21] <lstarnes> f00dn00b: without the space before the /
[23:22] <Out_Cold> ugh... is there a way to speed up a usb flash OS?
[23:22] <szymek> I just installed ubuntu, and I'm happy I hadn't delete my windows' data ^^
[23:22] <f00dn00b> cool it worked!
[23:22] <tonii> Out_Cold: faster usb-memory
[23:22] <minimec> f00dn00b: ;)
[23:22] <MaT-dg> Andorin: hmm I didn't expect ranges... with port forwarding you should forward only 1 port so there's no need for ranges...
[23:22] <Out_Cold> tonii??
[23:22] <f00dn00b> !irc
[23:22] <Bullaro> !samba
[23:23] <szymek> but I must learm more about it
[23:23] <f00dn00b> !sqat
[23:23] <f00dn00b> !swat
[23:23] <MaT-dg> Andorin: or maybe your router is more advanced then the ones I worked with.. but I'm somewhat lost here since I don't know exactly what you are seeing
[23:23] <f00dn00b> !windows
[23:23] <tonii> Out_Cold: you wanted to speed it up, I suggested a faster usb-memory.
[23:23] <Andorin> MaT-dg: My router is a linksys WRT54G, if that helps.
[23:23] <lukas__> Hi, I have some problems with cpufreq that seems not to work with these messages in syslog cpufreqd_set_profile     : Couldn't set profile "Performance Low" set for cpu0 (1600000-1600000-performance)
[23:23] <f00dn00b> !bug1
[23:23] <f00dn00b> !bug#1
[23:23] <Out_Cold> tonii, you mean a higher priced usb drive?
[23:24] <f00dn00b> !lnw
[23:24] <f00dn00b> !linux is not windows
[23:24] <minimec> f00dn00b: You see. You can tyoe !irc in the window and we all get flodded with the ubottu answer, but you can also type /msg ubottu irc and you will get a private message with the same content.
[23:24] <coleys> !es
[23:24] <tonii> Out_Cold: most likely it will be more expensive yes. I suppose you feel it's sluggish when reading/writing data?
[23:24] <f00dn00b> oh - ok =S
[23:24] <MaT-dg> Andorin: nice router ^^ I have a linksys to gathering dust atm, I'll get it and connect with it.. I think the menu's are about the same
[23:24] <f00dn00b> sorry
[23:24] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Probably.
[23:25] <Out_Cold> tonii, yea.. can i write a tmp on the actual HD?
[23:25] <TuxedoBond> Is there a list of the stuff that is installed on the full desktop Ubuntu install CD so I can get an idea of what I'll need to install on my minimal installation?
[23:25] <Switch10> Hahaha
[23:25] <Bullaro> what is the command to realy edit for example: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[23:25] <kuros> why can't my live cds grub find hd0,0?
[23:25] <Switch10> kuros: is it mounted??
[23:25] <Andorin> Bullaro: Try sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[23:25] <kuros> yep
[23:25] <f00dn00b> that's quite clever how that works - i think i'm going to learn a lot about linux ubuntu on here!
[23:25] <tonii> Out_Cold: I suppose, depends if you can partition it :)
[23:25] <Switch10> kuros: unmount it
[23:25] <tentencorp> !acpi
[23:26] <minimec> f00dn00b: granted!
[23:26] <Bullaro> andorin: thx
[23:26] <deman> Does anyone have any tips on getting ubuntu to recognize my firewire mixer? I'd really like to be able to get some recording going here
[23:26] <Out_Cold> tonii, i have full access to it but am currently trying to troubleshoot existing lvms
[23:26] <kuros> Switch10: same thing, selected device does not exist
[23:26] <Bullaro> (gedit:10342): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1005.0
[23:26] <Switch10> deman: is it the alesis? Multimix?
[23:26] <lukas__> Bullaro: try nano
[23:26] <tonii> Out_Cold: ah. hm, don't think temporary writing to the hdd is very temporary though ^_^
[23:27] <Out_Cold> minimec, isn't it /msg ubottu !irc
[23:27] <lukas__> Bullaro: it does ont need graphics
[23:27] <f00dn00b> is messenger on linux a bit like command prompt?
[23:27] <deman> Switch10, it's behringer
[23:27] <deman> Switch10, FCA 202
[23:27] <Out_Cold> tonii, well it's encrypted and going to be overwritten soon lol
[23:27] <lstarnes> f00dn00b: irc does use a lot of text commands
[23:27] <f00dn00b> yes, because it has all this / stuff lol!
[23:27] <minimec> Out_Cold: No need if you use the /msg way.
[23:27] <f00dn00b> brb - messenger is glitching up
[23:28] <MaT-dg> Andorin: is it omething like this that u see? http://npds.free.fr/docs/new/LinksysWRT54G.jpg
[23:28] <tonii> Out_Cold: lol ;) guess it's no harm if you mess it up by accident then
[23:28] <Switch10> deman: I have the multimix and it worked out of the box. Maybe try a google search
[23:28] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:28] <Out_Cold> minimec, yes but /msg ubottu !command not /msg ubottu command
[23:28] <moymoy> who here has gotten sound capture to work in ubuntu?
[23:28] <kongming> How does one switch out of the VM box? (Using virtual box)
[23:28] <minimec> Out_Cold: by the way. Both do work.
[23:28] <Out_Cold> tonii, would i just make the drive and mount as /tmp?
[23:28] <moymoy> kongming: press the right arrow key and press ctrl
[23:28] <deman> Switch10, do you know of any command which will list all the sound hardware it detects? Did you need to install any drivers for yours?
[23:28] <TSlackM> i need some help setting up xrandr, it shows just bogus resolutions and refresh rates
[23:28] <Andorin> MaT-dg: That's pretty close; the only difference is that I also have the Port Triggering and DMZ subsections.
[23:29] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:29] <kongming> Thank you moymoy
[23:29] <Out_Cold> tonii, is that where all the read/write is going?
[23:29] <moymoy> kongming: you should see a little green arrow at the bottom right change colors
[23:29] <foul_owl> grub gives error 2 on stage 1.5, how can i fix this?
[23:29] <Switch10> deman: no drivers. Are you using ardour?
[23:29] <f00dn00b> hooray school days finished downloading! does anyone know if i will be able to run school days on linux ubuntu?
[23:29] <f00dn00b> !school days
[23:29] <Switch10> To record
[23:29] <f00dn00b> oops sorry forgot /msg
[23:29] <deman> Switch10, Nah, I really just want to use skype / and other app that needs AI
[23:30] <minimec> Out_Cold: I only use the '!' if I do '!irc | Out_Cold', for example
[23:30] <coleys> f00dn00b: You will.
[23:30] <Andorin> MaT-dg: But yes, it is basically what I see.
[23:30] <erick> hola tios
[23:30] <Out_Cold> i suppose minimec, i always do it when i talk to bots ;o)
[23:30] <erick> speak spanish
[23:30] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:30] <erick> amigos
[23:30] <coleys> !es | erick
[23:30] <tonii> Out_Cold: well, reading occours mostly from /usr I'd guess. writing to /tmp and /var seems logical to me. But I'm no expert on that area.
[23:30] <f00dn00b> straight away, or will i need a vm or capability layer?
[23:30] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:31] <moymoy> anyone get sound capture to work in ubuntu?
[23:31] <coleys> f00dn00b: school days is an anime right?
[23:31] <Out_Cold> well i could make 3 mount points and see which one fills up..
[23:31] <f00dn00b> yes
[23:31] <[texas]> whats a good program to use with my blackberry?
[23:31] <fwaokda> how do i get my checkgmail to open when ubuntu starts up?
[23:31] <minimec> !bot | Out_Cold
[23:31] <minimec> Out_Cold: ;)
[23:31] <f00dn00b> 阿児め
[23:31] <TuxedoBond> I have the minimal installation installed. Is there anything important I need to install other then Xorg and a window manager?
[23:31] <MaT-dg> Andorin: key sec, got the wrong adapter xD
[23:31] <kuros> so if i run sudo grub it can do root (hd0,0) but not setup (hd0) (cannot mount selected partition error) any ideas?
[23:32] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Alright, take your time.
[23:32] <foul_owl> Please help, I am trying to install grub onto a CF card on one computer, then move it over to another computer to use. I have tried this, but grub gives error 2. Thanks!
[23:32] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:32] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:32] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:32] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ?
[23:32] <FloodBot3> tentencorp: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:32] <[texas]> pwned
[23:32] <Switch10> deman: ya I don't know the command to list you FireWire devices.
[23:32] <Andorin> ^^;
[23:32] <youseenothing_> !acpi
[23:32] <mzz> tentencorp: consider rephrasing your question (why do you need to know?)
[23:32] <tonii> Out_Cold: true. but why not just install everything on the hdd if you're going to erase it anyway? :)
[23:32] <moymoy> Switch10: i think `sudo blkid` should list all devices
[23:33] <Out_Cold> tonii, well i want a secondary OS for umm... unnamed reasons... but the usb is too slow
[23:33] <deman> http://ffado.org/
[23:33] <deman> that could be what I'm looking for
[23:33] <tentencorp> Does ubuntu support ACPI 2.0 ? because i need to turn it on, because I get ACPI errors when i try to install ubuntu
[23:33] <mzz> tentencorp: what errors?
[23:33] <igsen> i'm xubuntu user. I want to know how to remove gnome-volume-control(app>>multimedia>>volume control).Please...
[23:34] <youseenothing_> tentencorp: my understanding is there is "some" support for acpi 2.0
[23:34] <laeg> lstarnes: sudo taskel remove lamp-server seems to have done it ty
[23:34] <mzz> tentencorp: quick google tells me the spec for acpi 2.0 is from 2000, so it's probably at least partially implemented by now. What's your actual problem?
[23:34] <Switch10> moymoy: thanks. Did u see that d?
[23:34] <laeg> Switch10: what would purge have done exactly?
[23:34] <Out_Cold> igsen, sudo apt-get remove gnome-volume-control
[23:34] <tonii> Out_Cold: you can dual boot from the hdd, no? :)
[23:34] <deman> Switch10, Yeah, it just listed dev/ 0 etc
[23:34] <tentencorp> i already told u the errors!!!!!!!!!!!!! you guys told me to turn off power save thingy, so i did and then i got more errors, so i want to turn on ACPI 2.0
[23:35] <deman> Switch10, Not really what I was looking for
[23:35] <Krenari> How to create a user account in ubuntu?
[23:35] <Out_Cold> tonii, but because of the implications of the type of OS, i want it easily removable...
[23:35] <mzz> tentencorp: I don't see the errors in my backlog. All I see is "ACPI errors".
[23:35] <youseenothing_> tentencorp: if you are already getting errors, what damage can it do to turn it on?
[23:35] <tentencorp> before that
[23:35] <Out_Cold> tonii, and encrypted lol
[23:35] <mzz> tentencorp: can you pastebin them?
[23:35] <tentencorp> i dont like to play around with bios settings all the time, its a affliction to my brain cells, it causes them to worry.
[23:35] <Krenari> help !
[23:35] <igsen> Out_cold, thanks i'll try that.
[23:36] <Out_Cold> !ask Krenari
[23:36] <Out_Cold> oops..
[23:36] <lstarnes> !adduser | Krenari
[23:36] <Out_Cold> !ask | Krenari
[23:36] <deman> I guess I could try FFADO
[23:36] <deman> it's worth a shot
[23:38] <tonii> Out_Cold: Aha. :) Guess you can solve it in some way. I wonder if it's possible to make "ramdrives" in linux as it is in windows, then you could make the mountpoints in the ram (if you have enough), and the OS would be faaaast. Though saving settings might be tough :D
[23:38] <Out_Cold> tonii, i was reading that you can do that... but alas nl 1 gb ram
[23:38] <Out_Cold> **only
[23:38] <syslq78> What is the advantage of having ubuntu's package vs just installing the newest firefox or vlc available like on windows?
[23:38] <tonii> Out_Cold: ah, to bad.
[23:39] <lstarnes> syslq78: mainly stability
[23:39] <deman> syslq78, it's easy to get
[23:39] <Out_Cold> syslq78, ubuntu has tested those packages on the system
[23:39] <minimec> syslq78: Automatic updates via the ubuntu package system gor example ;)
[23:39] <legend2440> tentencorp: is this a laptop?
[23:39] <igsen> Out_Cold, E: Couldn't find package gnome-volume-control<<---I'm getting this error
[23:40] <syslq78> So basically I get garanteed stability + heavyly patched packages and get to be a month behind or something, hmm, I can live with that
[23:40] <kiosk> dan
[23:40] <Out_Cold> igsen, then it has another name bud
[23:40] <syslq78> But that's enterprise logic :)
[23:40] <Out_Cold> syslq78, if you want cutting edge learn gcc and build your own stuff... but beware of broken systems
[23:41] <fwaokda> how do i get my checkgmail to open when ubuntu starts up?
[23:41] <f00dn00b> i'm thinking about dropping linux ubuntu and going back to windows vista so i can run microsoft word and games - is this a good or bad idea?
[23:41] <minimec> syslq78: The final version of firefox-3.5 was available in the jaunty repo 1-2 days after launch. That's ok, I guess.
[23:41] <tentencorp> f00dn00b its a good idea
[23:41] <f00dn00b> !ff3.5
[23:41] <igsen> Out_Cold, any idea? I got this when i APT-get ubuntu-core.
[23:41] <legend2440> tentencorp: is this a laptop?
[23:41] <tentencorp> you get what you pay for man f00dn00b get windows
[23:41] <syslq78> minimec, heh, I havent even checked I waited to be presented to me on silver plate via system update.
[23:41] <Out_Cold> i wonder if i upgrade my distro to 9.04 if it will break or not..
[23:41] <lstarnes> f00dn00b: you could probably install that in a virtual machine
[23:41] <tentencorp> its a desktop PC i built myself
[23:42] <mzz> syslq78: they shouldn't exactly be *heavily* patched most of the time.
[23:42] <lstarnes> tentencorp: not always.  I personally prefer linux over windows, but for many people windows is better
[23:42] <legend2440> tentencorp: what motherboard?
[23:42] <f00dn00b> ok
[23:42] <tentencorp> ASUS M3A
[23:42] <syslq78> Out_Cold, I know how to install from source, I have used slackware from 99' to 2002 and than shifted to xp and now I'm back on linux
[23:42] <Out_Cold> igsen, when you what???? the command is apt-get install/remove packagename
[23:42] <deman> f00dn00b, And why doesn't Open Office work you you?
[23:42] <f00dn00b> its just i heard linux ubuntu was better than windows
[23:42] <syslq78> Out_Cold, it's way easyer now
[23:42] <mzz> syslq78: also, my personal main reason for not installing by hand is that I get consistent updates and the ability to uninstall through the package manager
[23:42] <minimec> syslq78: firefox-3.5 has to be installed seperatly, as the official firefox version of jaunty is still firefox-3.0
[23:43] <igsen> Out_Cold, I used synaptic for that.
[23:43] <Out_Cold> no kidding syslq78 and with deb packages.. it's freakin awesome for noobs and lazy people
[23:43] <tentencorp> legend24440 its ASUS M3a
[23:43] <syslq78> minimec, aha, thanks, guys I think I understand
[23:43] <syslq78> Out_Cold, I'm lazy at least
[23:43] <deman> syslq78, the ubtunu repos are outdated for many games as well, such as Wesnoth
[23:43] <deman> because they update once every month or so
[23:44] <syslq78> Hat off to debian + ubuntu developers, ubuntu was easyer to install and use than windows.  I'll have to guess then
[23:44] <f00dn00b> i think i'll probably wait and come back to linux ubuntu once its matured a little
[23:45] <Out_Cold> syslq78, try doing an encrypted lvm install manually :p
[23:45] <deman> f00dn00b, this is it's 10th version
[23:45] <f00dn00b> lack of exe support has been a real letdown to an otherwise impressive os...
[23:45] <deman> f00dn00b, this is MUCH more matured then the 1st one
[23:45] <Out_Cold> f00dn00b, have you tried wine?
[23:45] <lstarnes> f00dn00b: you could try running windows executables using wine
[23:45] <jrib> f00dn00b: linux is not windows
[23:45] <mcr_> f00dn00b thats like saying i love this porche, but the fact it dont take ford parts is an issue
[23:45] <f00dn00b> ive checked on the internet and i haven't seen very good reviews about wine
[23:46] <syslq78> Out_Cold :), no thakns
[23:46] <murcherson> use windows dude
[23:46] <deman> f00dn00b, It's more of a app by app thing
[23:46] <Out_Cold> like trying to run a 67 chev off of jet fuel...
[23:46] <mcr_> f00dn00b: wine is free, try it :)
[23:46] <linoge> which are the default permissions for /tmp ?
[23:46] <epicreviews> what's the terminal command for the Compiz config?
[23:46] <deman> sudo compiz-config on my machine
[23:46] <MaT-dg> f00dn00b: ubuntu doesn't have lack of .exe support but a lack of support for windows exectutables.. just like windows can't run ubuntu exectuables
[23:46] <Out_Cold> linoge, type in terminal ls -la /tmp
[23:46] <igsen> Out_Cold, I have both "Mixer" & "Volume control" on my App>>Multimedia menu.Obviously a duplicate.
[23:47] <Andorin> MaT-dg: What are you trying to determine? Where I open ports on this router?
[23:47] <linoge> Out_Cold: thats the prob, i changed them
[23:47] <Out_Cold> igsen, remove it from synaptic package manager and look for one or the other
[23:47] <VCoolio> epicreviews: compiz-manager for me, try typing compiz and hit tab twice
[23:47] <epicreviews> it's not compiz-config, it's longer than that
[23:47] <deman> I think I have a slightly old version, for fear of breaking X
[23:47] <ge2x> I just installed nvidia restricted drivers on 9.04, but my resolution is too low and I cannot set it to a higher
[23:48] <deman> which has happened to me before
[23:48] <legend2440> tentencorp: read this especially post #7. i would reenable acpi if i were you. are you trying to install the ubuntu 64 or 32?
[23:48] <MaT-dg> Andorin: oh wait, I got it... full reset xD now.. what's the default user pass on a linksys router?
[23:48] <Out_Cold> linoge, my tmp is drwxrwxrwt  12 root root
[23:48] <Out_Cold> so 777
[23:48] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Should just be admin/admin
[23:48] <MaT-dg> Andorin: yeah, I want to see what u are seeing
[23:48] <legend2440> tentencorp: read this especially post #7. i would reenable acpi if i were you. are you trying to install the ubuntu 64 or 32? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140659
[23:48] <epicreviews> I still can't find it with compiz(tab x2)... none of those
[23:48] <deman> Would anyone reccomend install firewire windows drivers with wine? Or is that just not going to work
[23:48] <deman> epicreviews, do you have a gui?
[23:49] <glitsj16> epicreviews: are you refering to compizconfig-settings-manager perhaps? that starts with "ccsm"
[23:49] <igsen> Out_Cold, I've already  did that, can't find both(?).
[23:49] <mcr_> try ccsm
[23:49] <ge2x> I just installed nvidia restricted drivers on 9.04, but my resolution is too low and I cannot set it to a higher
[23:49] <f00dn00b> ok, ive checked the wine website for school days and apparently i have to install loads of extra junk to get it running
[23:49] <linoge> ok, Out_Cold thanks
[23:49] <Out_Cold> epicreviews, compiz-settings-manager
[23:49] <f00dn00b> i don't think its worth it
[23:49] <mehdi> hi
[23:49] <deman> f00dn00b, what are you talking about?
[23:49] <deman> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:49] <usr13> f00dn00b: WJat are you trying to do?
[23:50] <shwouchk> what's the command which lists what linkage a certain exec is looking for?
[23:50] <f00dn00b> no i have to fiddle around with locales and "msxml4"
[23:50] <jrib> f00dn00b: what apps specifically were you not able to find suitable native alternatives for?
[23:50] <f00dn00b> school days, by 0verflow
[23:50] <epicreviews> ok it's just ccsm :) thanks
[23:50] <jrib> f00dn00b: no you don't.  You install wine the same way you install all other software on ubuntu: use APT (add/remove programs or Synaptic in your menus)
[23:50] <f00dn00b> jruu
[23:50] <jonex_> i can't use toten it crash the OS
[23:50] <f00dn00b> oops sorry
[23:51] <safruhani> hi, using 8.10, mpd doesn't start automatically, how can i do fix like the other daemons
[23:51] <mcr_> f00dn00b i run a number of windows apps using wine, uTorrent, Clrmamepro, World of Warcraft
[23:51] <Out_Cold> jonex_, use vlc.... i never have problems with vlc
[23:51] <f00dn00b> jrib: once ive installed wine i need to set up wmp and msxml4 to get it running, then install the japanese locales
[23:51] <usr13> f00dn00b: "School Days"  It's a game?
[23:51] <jrib> f00dn00b: wmp = Windows Media Player?  Why on earth?
[23:51] <ge2x> I just installed nvidia restricted drivers on 9.04, but my resolution is too low and I cannot set it to a higher
[23:52] <f00dn00b> usr13: yes
[23:52] <f00dn00b> jrib: god knows
[23:52] <MaT-dg> Andorin: okay got it somehow
[23:52] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i copy lines of text in w3m without a mouse and than paste it?
[23:52] <Visualante> hey Ubuntu, i installed the ATi drivers, still no support for 1680x1050 it seems. highest i can get is 1600x1200
[23:52] <syslq78> ge2x have you restarted xserver?
[23:52] <mcr_> did you also install the nvidia x server settings applet?
[23:52] <MaT-dg> Andorin: now, on my router I also have the option 'Single port forwarding' Do you have that?
[23:53] <ge2x> syslq78: yes, even rebooted
[23:53] <jrib> f00dn00b: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=9404 says you can use winetricks, which makes it trivial
[23:53] <jonex_> I lost my 3D effects i cant  use totem
[23:53] <f00dn00b> winetricks?
[23:53] <f00dn00b> lol not another thing i have to install?
[23:53] <syslq78> ge2x, the thing mcr_ said, nvida driver has it's own fine tunning applet
[23:53] <syslq78> ge2x I mean nvidia provides it's own fine tunning applet for the driver :)
[23:53] <ge2x> I think the monitor detection is screwed up
[23:53] <f00dn00b> im starting to wish id stayed with windows vista now!
[23:53] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Where is that under?
[23:53] <shwouchk> what's the command which lists what linkage a certain exec is looking for?
[23:54] <Out_Cold> f00dn00b, once you get used to the basics of linux, you'll wonder why you didn't jump ship years ago
[23:54] <usr13> f00dn00b: What do you think of the games that are native to linux?  Which of those do you like?
[23:54] <jrib> f00dn00b: you are trying to run software not developed for ubuntu.  It won't be as easy as installing native software.  If you must use mostly windows apps for some reason then there isn't much use in using linux
[23:54] <MaT-dg> Andorin: like in the screenshot under apllications and gaming
[23:54] <PokerFacePenguin> i want to move some very large files in a directory to dvd....they are all different sizes....is there a program that will help me use my space effieciently and use the least amount of dvd's available?
[23:54] <mcr_> its called nvidia-settings.. its in the repos
[23:54] <jrib> shwouchk: what?
[23:54] <hornets> hi
[23:54] <ge2x> syslq78: yes, the applet was installed automatically
[23:54] <My> !quit
[23:55] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Nope, I see nothing labeled single port forwarding.
[23:55] <f00dn00b> jrib: the reason i want to use linux ubuntu is because i heard it was better
[23:55] <hornets> is there any app to save how much bandwidth i'm using?
[23:55] <hornets> on the internet
[23:55] <Out_Cold> f00dn00b, well my car is better....
[23:55] <jrib> f00dn00b: "better" is subjective.   It may not be better for you
[23:55] <Out_Cold> f00dn00b, depends on what is better
[23:55] <syslq78> ge2x, aptitude search ~dnvidia
[23:55] <jonex_> I lost my 3D effects, cant  use totem, and cant see any video in firefox
[23:55] <f00dn00b> is there any way to go back to windows?
[23:55] <syslq78> ge2x, that will return you every package with name nvidia in description
[23:55] <glitsj16> safruhani: there's a nice overview on how to install/configure/run mpd at http://gmpc.wikia.com/wiki/MPD_INSTALL_USER_SERVICE_UBUNTU that might help
[23:56] <syslq78> f00dn00b, what is your setup?
[23:56] <hornets> anyone?
[23:56] <jrib> f00dn00b: I take it you did not tell the installer to setup a dual-boot?
[23:56] <Out_Cold> f00dn00b, linux is not for the faint of heart, the hard core gamer, or the proprietary software user
[23:56] <f00dn00b> syslq78: linux ubuntu
[23:56] <usr13> f00dn00b: A basketball is better than a football for playing basketball.  Trying to play basketball with a football pretty difficult to say the least.
[23:56] <Pirate_Hunter> how do i copy lines of text in w3m without a mouse and than paste it?
[23:56] <MaT-dg> Andorin: okay than we'll have to do it with a range. Try 'Port Range Forwarding', fill in your port from deluge  in both start and end (range of 1 port ^^), set the protocol to both and use your staic IP\
[23:56] <jrib> Pirate_Hunter: you can use screen I guess
[23:56] <f00dn00b> jrib: no - i heard dualbooting makes your computer slow
[23:56] <jonex_>  I lost my 3D effects, cant  use totem, and cant see any video in firefox :(
[23:56] <jrib> f00dn00b: you are misinformed
[23:56] <Out_Cold> f00dn00b, nonsense
[23:56] <mcr_> f00dn00b it does not
[23:57] <f00dn00b> oh
[23:57] <syslq78> f00dn00b, that about dual booting is bullshit
[23:57] <Pirate_Hunter> jrib: how would i do it with screen instead?
[23:57] <OttifantSir> f00dn00b: School Days was tested on Wine 1.1.7. I have Wine 1.1.25 installed. Between the testing of School Days and now, there have been a lot of fixes for Wine, so chances are, it will probably run better now than when tested. This is not guaranteed, but it's rather likely. So try WINE first, install School Days, then see if your experience is better. If it is, then submit it to the Appdb at winehq.
[23:57] <usr13> f00dn00b: You heard wrong.
[23:57] <Out_Cold> using windows makes your computer slow
[23:57] <Andorin> MaT-dg: Ok, setting now
[23:57] <jlaroche> running ubuntu netbook remiz 9.04 on an eee1000he, installing and removing (purging) a program (eeepc-acpi-utilities) broke my compiz / desktop effects / maybe my video drivers.... can anyone help?
[23:57] <syslq78> Out_Cold, not really true man, it was running about the same for me,
[23:57] <jrib> f00dn00b: anyway, at this point if you want to go back to windows, you can just pop in your windows disk and install it.  You could also run windows in a virtual machine like virtualbox for your games
[23:57] <syslq78> jrib, virtual box and directx?
[23:58] <syslq78> Nah
[23:58] <Out_Cold> syslq78, wait a few months.... windows always slows down
[23:58] <Andorin> MaT-dg: I set it, but Deluge still thinks the port is closed.
[23:58] <safruhani> glitsj16: thanks my friend, my problem is opposite of this command: sudo update-rc.d -f mpd remove <-- i want to add mpd by default, what do u suggest me?
[23:58] <jlaroche> running ubuntu netbook remix 9.04 on an eee pc (model 1000HE). After installing and removing (purging) a program (eeepc-acpi-utilities) broke my compiz / desktop effects / maybe my video drivers.... can anyone help?
[23:58] <jrib> syslq78: haven't used vbox recently
[23:58] <erick> que juegos hay para linux
[23:58] <jrib> !es | erick
[23:58] <jrib> !games > erick
[23:58] <Out_Cold> http://whylinuxisbetter.net
[23:58] <f00dn00b> i have heard about something called "linux fedora". would that be any better for running games?
[23:58] <Out_Cold> oops..
[23:58] <f00dn00b> !fedora
[23:58] <Out_Cold> http://whylinuxisbetter.org
[23:58] <Pirate_Hunter> jrib: how would i go about doing so using screen?
[23:58] <syslq78> Out_Cold, window's is ok desktop if managed properly, users are the problem
[23:58] <jrib> f00dn00b: nope, you'll have the same issues
[23:58] <jlaroche> running ubuntu netbook remix 9.04 on an eee pc (model 1000HE). After installing and removing (purging) a program (eeepc-acpi-utilities) my compiz / desktop effects / maybe my video drivers were broken.... can anyone help?
[23:58] <fwaokda> is there anyway to get ubuntu when it's to it's loading screen to not use a graphic and just display text of what it's loading?
[23:59] <usr13> f00dn00b: Someone might also tell you that Linux is vulnerable to virus just like windows and many people will believe it, but.... well... consider the source.
[23:59] <syslq78> f00dn00b, so do you have your window install on hard drive?
[23:59] <f00dn00b> no
[23:59] <f00dn00b> i formatted it
[23:59] <fuzzypotato> I'm maintaining a Linux alternatives section on my website now.
[23:59] <f00dn00b> to make it all etx3
[23:59] <syslq78> f00dn00b, than you can install from scratch nothing else
[23:59] <blz> hello everybody, I'm having trouble installing samba-common at the command line.  Here are the errors I'm getting... can anyone help?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/215855/
[23:59] <hornets> is there any app to save how much bandwidth I used?
[23:59] <OttifantSir> jlaroche: Haven't heard from you for a while. Did you try the setting I proposed?
[23:59] <Out_Cold> has anyone had problems with ext4?
[23:59] <coleys> f00dn00b: its not Linux fedora, its just called Fedora.
[23:59] <f00dn00b> oh
[23:59] <hornets> upload/download from internets
[23:59] <syslq78> Out_Cold, I havent tried it yet


[07:40] <juergh> Jeremy31, looking
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> hey tjaalton, just letting you know i filed my flickering/intel bug upstream on your advice, will ping you if someone finds something useful; https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/issues/5569
[09:34] <tjaalton> lotuspsychje: ack


[06:00] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:54] <Tm_T> morning all
[08:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:35] <dholbach> mhall119, Happy Birthday! :)
[09:57] <effie_jayx> hello all
[09:57] <dholbach> hey effie_jayx
[12:29] <mhall119> hey effie_jayx
[12:30] <czajkowski> ALOHA!
[12:30] <mhall119> effie_jayx: was that you who posted about tano on the django ML?
[12:30] <nigelb> yay, the birthday boy is here :P
[12:30]  * nigelb hides
[12:30] <mhall119> why?
[12:31] <nigelb> oh ok
[12:31] <nigelb> does this mean we can give you birthday bumps over IRC
[12:31] <mhall119> I'm not sure what "birthday bumps" are
[12:31] <mhall119> brb, taking the kids to school
[12:59] <cjohnston> mornin
[15:36] <locodir-user> hey guys, anyone
[16:34] <mhall119> i'm beginning to wonder if the embeded chat applet for locodir-user does more harm than good
[16:34] <mhall119> since none of them stick around long enough to actually talk to someone
[16:39] <YoBoY> perhaps a note about that on the topic, or on the web page
[16:39] <cjohnston> -1 for topic +1 for webpage
[16:44] <mhall119> cjohnston, Daviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/SummitJam
[16:44] <mhall119> I can't remember what else we've discussed
[16:45] <Daviey> mhall119, That last one might change... have to see what davidm produces. :)
[16:45] <mhall119> Daviey: true, but it's on the list for now
[16:46] <mhall119> dantalizing is going to join us remotely, he may be able to help with a custom mobile app if we don't go with conventionist
[16:46] <dantalizing> i'm going to *try* to join
[16:47] <mhall119> there is no try
[16:47] <Daviey> groovy!
[16:47] <dantalizing> some of us work for a living
[16:47] <Daviey> dantalizing, be there, or be square.
[16:47] <dantalizing> ;)
[16:47] <Daviey> the rest of us just pretend, right? :)
[16:48] <mhall119> ironically, this has been one of my most productive weeks at Moffitt
[16:49] <mhall119> 2 production deployments and setup a new server
[16:50] <cjohnston> czajkowski: ping
[16:50] <czajkowski> pong
[16:50] <cjohnston> standby.. may not need you
[16:51] <czajkowski> dont flipping ping me then!
[16:51] <czajkowski> :p
[16:51] <cjohnston> blame hauts
[16:53] <czajkowski> I poked him for you
[16:53] <cjohnston> I'm talkin to him now...
[16:54] <dantalizing> mmmm.. 4k
[16:54] <cjohnston> BOOM BOOM
[16:54] <cjohnston> its comin home
[16:55]  * mhall119 didn't hear it
[16:55] <cjohnston> mhall119: do you get to hear it?
[16:55] <mhall119> too far west I guess
[16:55] <cjohnston> guess that answers
[16:55] <mhall119> cjohnston: in Lakeland I usually can
[16:55] <cjohnston> it was quiet today
[16:55] <cjohnston> thats cool
[16:55] <cjohnston> I love it
[16:55] <cjohnston> I will miss it
[16:55] <mhall119> scares the crap out of me every time
[16:55] <cjohnston> yup
[16:55] <mhall119> yeah, it'll be missed
[16:55] <cjohnston> it was very quiet like I said, so didnt scare me this time
[16:57] <cjohnston> She's home safely.. That's it.. She has served well
[16:59] <cjohnston> mhall119: we plan on doing whatever it takes to get the kids over to see the final launch... (not going to the cape, but going prolly to our condo in ormond) if yall are interested
[16:59] <cjohnston> think its important for them to witness it even if they may not remember
[17:00] <cjohnston> mhall119: Paige every once in a while will tell me that if the shuttle goes off at night that i *have to* wake her up so she can watch... she doesn't understand that there wont be anymore night landings
[17:01] <YoBoY> dantalizing: we already break this number when sabdfl came :)
[17:02] <dantalizing> wait, when is the final launch?
[17:02] <cjohnston> late summer or sept iirc
[17:02] <dantalizing> oh, ok, i have time
[17:02] <dantalizing> Smita has never seen a launch, and wanted to go
[17:03] <dantalizing> we should do an ubuntu shuttle(worth) launch party
[17:03] <cjohnston> dantalizing: yall could meet us too.. We wont go near the cape though... wayyyyy too much traffic
[17:03] <cjohnston> lol.. that'd be cool
[17:03] <cjohnston> unique opportunity to be the only team to (easially) do that live
[17:05] <dantalizing> cjohnston: you can see from ormond?
[17:05] <cjohnston> yes (weather depending)
[17:05] <cjohnston> I can see if from my back yard in orlando if there arent too many clouds
[17:05] <dantalizing> nice ... sounds like a plan
[17:09] <cjohnston> duanedesign: just hang out here.. this is where we talk...
[17:10] <duanedesign> :)
[17:11] <cjohnston> duanedesign: mhall119 is in charge, so just ping him about every 45 seconds and you will be good
[17:11] <duanedesign> cjohnston: when is the final launch?
[17:11] <duanedesign> cjohnston: this mission was the last for Discovery, wasn't it?
[17:11] <cjohnston> yes
[17:11] <cjohnston> i dont think its set in stone... summer/sept
[17:11] <cjohnston> iirc
[17:11] <duanedesign> ahh
[17:12] <duanedesign> seems weird. There have been shuttle launches for as long as i can remember
[17:12] <cjohnston> longer than ive been alive
[17:12] <cjohnston> looks like atlantis is june 28
[17:13] <duanedesign> i tihink i was in grade school when the Challenger accident happened
[17:13] <cjohnston> I was 2... my sister was born 3 days before
[17:13] <cjohnston> duanedesign dantalizing mhall119 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_shuttle_missions#Planned_missions
[17:14] <duanedesign> i rememberall the horribly inappropriatte school yard jokes kids used to tell about the shuttle disaster
[17:14] <cjohnston> :-/
[17:14] <duanedesign> yeah, not cool
[17:15] <duanedesign> thanks for the info cjohnston. Better get back to my tutorials
[17:15] <cjohnston> :-)
[17:41] <cjohnston> mhall119: just got approved by management to get access to LD stats.. now just gotta wait for it to be done
[17:49] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[17:50] <dantalizing> june 28 ... hmm
[17:50] <dantalizing> gonna be  hawt
[17:50] <cjohnston> dantalizing: that's why its the beach
[17:50] <cjohnston> hehe
[17:50] <cjohnston> WATER
[18:24] <czajkowski> c/
[18:30] <openiduser313> hi
[18:30] <openiduser313> I am thinking of going to the ubuntu jam in london next month
[18:31] <openiduser313> what is the usual agenda for the day?
[18:31] <mhall119> cjohnston: every 45 seconds?
[18:31] <czajkowski> openiduser313: what one in London ?
[18:32] <openiduser313> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[18:32] <openiduser313> 2nd of april in Weybridge
[18:32] <czajkowski> openiduser313: ahh ok
[18:32] <czajkowski> surrey
[18:33] <openiduser313> yep
[18:33] <czajkowski> openiduser313: AlanBell will be there as will I
[18:33] <czajkowski> I'm going t install Natty
[18:33] <czajkowski> and see how I get on
[18:33] <czajkowski> we'll report some bugs
[18:33] <czajkowski> and help anyone who turns up
[18:33] <openiduser313> sounds good :)
[18:35] <openiduser313> is the venue nice?
[18:35] <openiduser313> can we order food?
[18:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: schedule a team event for the shuttle launch, I'd like to go
[18:39] <czajkowski> openiduser313: venue is fine
[18:40] <czajkowski> pub down the road
[18:41] <openiduser313> ok thanks
[20:06] <effie_jayx> mhall119: srry for the delay
[20:06] <effie_jayx> mhall119: yes it was me
[20:07] <mhall119> effie_jayx: cool
[20:07] <mhall119> we've talked about adding tweeting/denting support into loco-directory
[20:08] <mhall119> might have to figure out how to integrate tano
[20:08] <effie_jayx> mhall119: it's pretty simple
[20:08] <effie_jayx> the app that holds the models is called larky
[20:09] <effie_jayx> and there ae no views nor anything
[20:09] <effie_jayx> for now
[20:09] <effie_jayx> it is al in a command executed by cron
[20:09] <effie_jayx> something like python mananage.py cron_exec
[20:09] <mhall119> which is all we'd need, we already have cron running some management commands
[20:10] <effie_jayx> should be simple enought to integrate then
[20:10] <mhall119> I'll have to look into it more when I have time
[20:10] <effie_jayx> I am trying to clean things up a bit
[20:10] <mhall119> your email said you were going to have it in bzr?
[20:10] <effie_jayx> yes
[20:10] <mhall119> on Launchpad?
[20:10] <effie_jayx> yeah
[20:10] <mhall119> awesome
[20:11] <effie_jayx> just have bzr import my git branch
[20:11] <effie_jayx> I am ot planign on having trees or anything so keep compatibility cool
[20:11] <effie_jayx> I'll do that tonight so you can play around with it
[20:12] <effie_jayx> I left clear instructions on how to make it work
[20:12] <effie_jayx> i have to be clear on one issue
[20:12] <effie_jayx> we have to find a way to save the passwords better for identi.ca
[20:12] <effie_jayx> since it uses simple authentication
[20:13] <effie_jayx> and django can only mask the password
[20:13] <effie_jayx> like I said
[20:13] <effie_jayx> lots of clean up
[20:13] <effie_jayx> that and facebook posting support
[20:13] <effie_jayx> which is next on my list
[20:14] <effie_jayx> it's my weekend thing
[20:14] <mhall119> cjohnston: ^^ might be interested in looking at this too
[20:14] <mhall119> can you post a link to the project?
[20:14] <effie_jayx> let me do the bzr branch ow
[20:15] <effie_jayx> darn typo, this keyboard is killing me :P
[20:18] <effie_jayx> mhall119: it's a great idea. I hadn't thought of LD integraton
[20:19] <effie_jayx> it would be cool to do it so that future versions of tuno can be rolled in seemlessly
[20:31] <effie_jayx> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~effie-jayx/+junk/tuno
[20:31] <effie_jayx> I'll set up a proper project later
[20:32] <effie_jayx> wait till it mirrors
[20:35] <mhall119> effie_jayx: I'll also look into integrating it with ubuntu-django-foundations
[20:37] <effie_jayx> I am unfamiliar with it
[20:38]  * effie_jayx googles it
[20:38] <effie_jayx> got it
[20:39] <effie_jayx> interesting, It really is just a simple app, I need to create some simple methods for doing stuff and you ae good to go
[20:40] <effie_jayx> I can see LD and other apps just posting triggered by actions
[20:41] <effie_jayx> so just giving you a method to call with the message is a good start
[20:42] <effie_jayx> scheduled status updates are good for promoting events and meetings
[22:58] <nhandler> Do you think it would make sense to change ~locoteams-approved, ~locoteams, and ~ubuntu-us (I know the last one isn't LC managed) to be Delegated Teams? This is a new subscription policy that they added that requires admin approval for new direct memberships, but allows subteams to remain open. This would allow LoCos to be Open teams, but require the LC to manually approve additions of new teams to ...
[22:58] <nhandler> ... ~locoteams-approved and ~locoteams


[00:00] <Xand3r> the 4 in mailody4 is for the kde version? so i can leav it out or?
[00:00] <Riddell> Xand3r: yes i think so
[00:00] <Xand3r> ok
[00:00] <Riddell> I don't think there's much need to keep the kde 3 version around
[00:01] <Xand3r> ok
[00:04] <Riddell> Xand3r: still a problem with http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kwin-style-crystal-kde4
[00:04] <Xand3r> ??
[00:04] <Xand3r> gna
[00:04] <Xand3r> ok
[00:10] <Xand3r> Riddell: i do it tomorrow
[00:10] <Xand3r> i am so tired
[00:11] <Xand3r> sorry
[00:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: we see us
[00:11] <apachelogger> cya
[00:11] <Xand3r> gn8 my friends
[00:16] <stdin> Riddell, apachelogger: the error is:
[00:16] <stdin> CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:53 (MESSAGE):
[00:16] <stdin>   Could not find REQUIRED package Kdepim
[00:16] <apachelogger> I say it is a typo in the -crypto
[00:17] <apachelogger> change find_package to KdePim and it will work
[00:18] <apachelogger> meh
[00:18]  * apachelogger has to recreate the kdepim debdiff :S
[00:21] <Riddell> it could be a typo in kdepim, it's not like anything else uses its libraries yet, but I'd still much rather have upstream apply that patch first
[00:22] <apachelogger> +1
[00:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, stdin can patch it for now in -crypto
[00:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdepim_4.0.83-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.debdiff
[00:24] <stdin> apachelogger: when I change it to KdePim I get this "find_package could not find module FindKdePim.cmake or a configuration file  for package KdePim."
[00:24] <stdin> so I don't think it's -crypto
[00:25] <apachelogger> hm
[00:26] <apachelogger> hum
[00:26] <apachelogger> stdin: ok, don't listen to me
[00:26] <apachelogger> it's too hot and too late for me to properly investigate on this
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> zomg, moving applets in the panel just got committed to svn
[00:58] <vorian> :)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> If only I was using kde from source...
[00:59]  * yuriy impatiently waits for neon updates
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> ^++
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> Looks like it works by: Open panel config ruler-box-bar-thingy -> Use good old drag and drop
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> Oooh shiny++ http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Salute_to_an_icon
[01:12] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i had to watch that video a few times before i "saw"
[01:12] <vorian> very nice
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> fwiw I had to watch it twice
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> I guess it just felt so natural I didn't notice anything
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[02:31] <vorian> hmph
[03:44] <EagleScreen> hello
[03:44] <EagleScreen> i am trying to port gdebi to Debian :D
[03:44] <EagleScreen> gdebi-kde fails in Debian
[03:46] <EagleScreen> i run: from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface in python and i obtain http://paste.ubuntu.com/24878/
[04:19] <ScottK> EagleScreen: The konsolepart has been removed from python-kde3
[04:19] <ScottK> It really needs to be ported to KDE4 at this point.
[04:20] <EagleScreen> ScottK now i understand
[04:21] <EagleScreen> <IP_ADDRESS> does not have konsolepart isnt?
[04:22] <EagleScreen> but is it in <IP_ADDRESS>?
[04:24] <ScottK> IIRC, yes.
[04:24] <ScottK> I don't think Debian ever supported it in any case.
[04:26] <EagleScreen> may be when gdebi is ported to KDE4??
[07:15] <papabean> Let's say I was an almost-complete n00b and wanted to get involved with making Kubuntu better.  How/where would I get started?
[07:37] <papabean> Jucato: So, how can I help Kubuntu or KDE 4?
[07:39] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu and there's a link to the ToDo page in the channel topic
[07:40] <papabean> I saw the ToDo list but had difficulty making sense of what needed to be done.'
[07:40] <papabean> For example, merging.
[07:40] <Jucato> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[07:40] <Jucato> ah those fall under packaging
[07:40] <papabean> Simply states: Replace KDE 3 packages with KDE 4
[07:41] <Jucato> basically pick an area that interests you or where you think you can contribute, and focus on that until you get more familiar with the environment
[07:41] <papabean> Ahhh..thank you.  That's a wonderful link.  Off I go to read.  :)
[07:41] <Jucato> areas of contribution range from packaging, to coding, to documentation, to user support, to artwork, to bug triaging and bug fixing
[07:42] <Jucato> you might want to ask again in a few hours, when the channel is most active
[07:43] <papabean> This is good for the moment and I will definitely ask again.  Thank you.
[07:44] <papabean> I love Ubuntu for the exposure it's brought to Linux.  I love Kubuntu for the KDE bent.
[07:45] <Riddell> hi papabean
[07:45] <Jucato> oh there. Riddell's alive. you can poke him :)
[07:46] <papabean> :)
[07:46] <papabean> Hi, Riddell.  I was present last week (?) when the Kubuntu Tutorial day was going on, but missed most of it and had to read logs.
[07:47] <papabean> I am very interested in contributing to Kubuntu, but unsure of how to get started.
[07:47] <papabean> I am comfortable with Linux, mediocre with Python and unafraid to learn.
[07:48] <Jucato> ah python! then you're in the right place ;)
[07:51] <papabean> Isn't Ubuntu very Python-centric?
[07:51] <papabean> But KDE not so much?  (Or is that my limited understanding of the situation?)
[07:57] <Riddell> that's about right
[07:57] <Riddell> but we're changing it, 4.1 comes with a couple of python apps because of us
[07:57] <papabean> That's good news.
[07:59] <Riddell> papabean: well if you want a small task, how about porting language-selector from pyqt 4 to pykde 4
[07:59] <papabean> Riddell: Ok. I'd love to.
[07:59] <\sh> python will rock kde, too :)
[08:00] <\sh> kde + python RADing is so much fun...
[08:00] <papabean> Riddell: Where do I start?
[08:00] <Riddell> papabean: use bzr to checkout from https://code.edge.launchpad.net/language-selector
[08:01] <Riddell> make sure it runs
[08:01] <Riddell> then change QApplication to KApplication and the various bits a KApplication needs (KAboutData)
[08:01] <Riddell> apt-get source python-kde4 for some examples
[08:02] <papabean> Ok.  Checking out that code now.
[08:03] <papabean> One question:  I'm currently running KDE 3.5.9.  To properly assist, should I upgrade to KDE 4.1 beta 2 and what's the best path?  Install the -kde4 packages?
[08:03] <Riddell> papabean: yeah
[08:03] <Riddell> and python-kde4 of course
[08:04] <papabean> Ok.  I'll take care of that right now.
[08:14] <papabean> Thanks, Riddell.  The upgrade to 4.1 beta is going to keep my system busy for a bit.
[08:14] <papabean> The checkout from bzr completed without a hitch.
[08:14] <papabean> Will make sure it runs after the upgrade's complete.
[09:46] <papabean> Ok.  The updates are finally complete and boy, does 4.1 still seem like it needs some work.  :)
[09:47] <papabean> But for language-selector, should I now go through the normal setup.py process?
[09:47] <papabean> S´ok for me.  My /usr/local is a separate partition and can be unmounted to go back to distribution-only applications.
[09:50] <Riddell> papabean: it should run in place
[09:51] <papabean> Riddell: You're referring to qt-language-selector?
[09:51] <Riddell> yes
[09:52] <papabean> Got it.  Needs sudo, but it does.
[09:52] <papabean> So, now the task is to make it KDE-specific and not simply QT-specific, correct?
[09:53] <Riddell> yep
[09:53] <Riddell> bottom of LanguageSelector/qt/QtLanguageSelector.py would be the place to do it
[09:53] <papabean> Ok.  Heading to that snippet now.
[09:55] <papabean> Along those lines, should the "from PyQt" lines read "from PyKDE4" instead?
[09:56] <Riddell> the equivalent yes
[09:57] <papabean> Ok.
[09:57] <Riddell> as I say examples in python-kde4 source that you can steal the templates from
[09:58] <papabean> Wasn't able to apt-get source python-kde4.  Got this error: Unable to find a source package for kde4bindings
[09:58] <Riddell> add deb-src lines to /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <papabean> Of course.
[09:59] <papabean> Thank you.
[10:15] <jussi01> Riddell: whats the official line on kde4 and intrepid - default? (I want to make a factoid)
[10:16] <Riddell> jussi01: yes
[10:16] <Riddell> already is
[10:16] <Riddell> intrepid is intended to be the big scary release
[10:16] <jussi01> Riddell: is there a wiki page with this info?
[10:17] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSPragueSpecs
[10:17] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion
[10:17] <jussi01> Riddell: thank you very much
[10:24] <papabean> Riddell: Added lines to import from PyKDE4.kdecore and PyKDE4.kdeui and changed QApplication at the bottom to KApplication.
[10:25] <papabean> Riddell: Is there more?
[10:25] <jussi01> !intrepid-#kubuntu | Riddell
[10:27] <papabean> Riddell: Ignore last question.  Just found the Class reference at riverbank software.
[10:27] <papabean> Will attempt to convert as much as possible to use PyKDE4.
[10:27] <Riddell> papabean: does it run?
[10:27] <papabean> Yes.
[10:27] <Riddell> papabean: did you add a KAboutData?
[10:27] <Riddell> jussi01: reads fine
[10:28] <papabean> Riddell: No.  Should I add as per documentation?
[10:29] <Riddell> papabean: yes please
[10:35] <papabean> Riddell: Added.  Unsure about the following, however:  copyright, version and bugEmail.  homePage set to "www.kubuntu.org"
[10:35] <Riddell> copyright Canonical Ltd
[10:35] <Riddell> version 0.3.4
[10:36] <Riddell> bugEmail leave blank ""
[10:36] <Riddell> it also needs KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData)
[10:37] <papabean> Ok.  appName and programName are "Language Selector", correct?
[10:38] <Riddell> appName is internal, "language-selector" better
[10:39] <Riddell> homepage can be https://launchpad.net/language-selector
[10:39] <papabean> Ok.
[10:40] <papabean> Done.
[10:41] <Riddell> added the KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv, aboutData) line?
[10:41] <papabean> Yes.  Just above the app = KApplication(sys.argv) line.
[10:42] <papabean> after defining aboutData.
[10:42] <papabean> With the appropriate fields.
[10:42] <Riddell> groovy
[10:42] <Riddell> if it works, push it to launchpad
[10:42] <Riddell> commit first of course
[10:43] <papabean> It still runs.    It did.
[10:48] <Riddell> try  bzr commit --local
[10:49] <papabean> Ok.  Vim opened with the name of the modified file.
[10:49] <papabean> That's my $EDITOR
[10:49] <papabean> Is this for a changelog?
[10:50] <Riddell> yes
[10:50] <Riddell> for the bzr log
[10:51] <papabean> So: Added aboutData.  Port from PyQt4 to PyKDE4?
[10:51] <Riddell> yep
[10:52] <papabean> Ok. Confirmation of commit.
[10:52] <papabean> Now attempt the push?
[10:52] <Riddell> yes, assuming you have a launchpad account with a valid ssh key
[10:53] <papabean> I don't think i have an ssh key setup.  Do have a launchpad account and gpg-key.
[10:55]  * papabean is setting up an ssh key.
[10:57]  * papabean is attempting the push.
[11:00] <papabean> Push is underway.
[11:01] <papabean> Done.
[11:02]  * Riddell spots https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~papabean/language-selector/kdeport
[11:04] <Riddell> yay, works
[11:05] <Riddell> papabean: groovy, merged in
[11:06] <Riddell> papabean: ok, if you're up for more, those QIcons could do with changing to KIcons so it loads the KDE icons theme
[11:06] <papabean> On it.  :)
[11:07] <Riddell> which is something like  SmallIcon("icon-name")
[11:07] <Riddell> the icon names have changed, you'll need to search through /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen for the kde 4 name
[11:11] <papabean> So, for example: Change line 39 to Kicon("preferences-desktop-locale.png")  ?
[11:12] <papabean> It currently has: QIcon("/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/locale.png"))
[11:12] <Riddell> convenicence functions are better
[11:12] <Riddell> SmallIcon() or BarIcon()
[11:14] <Riddell> or in that case probably DesktopIcon()
[11:14] <Riddell> comes from http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKIconLoader.html
[11:17] <papabean> Ok, well that leads to an error about needing a KComponentData object.  Reading up on that now.
[11:20] <Riddell> papabean: are you running it through qt-language-selector ?
[11:22] <papabean> Yes.  sudo ./qt-language selector --mode select
[11:24] <Riddell> papabean: looks like qt-language-selector also needs ported to KApplication
[11:24] <papabean> Ok.
[11:25] <papabean> Will it also need aboutData added to it?  Or is it sufficient in one location?
[11:27] <Riddell> yes
[11:27] <Riddell> should be a copy and paste job
[11:27] <papabean> Well, simply changing to KApplication was fail.
[11:28] <papabean> TypeError.  Python doesn't like sys.argv being passed to KApplication in this case.
[11:29] <Riddell> then don't :)
[11:31] <papabean> Took that out.  And now I get the usage statement, but prior to that a warning that /var/tmp is owned by the wrong user.
[11:32] <papabean> Ok.  This is going to take a little more brain power.  Not passing sys.argv to KApplication causes the bit  where qt-language-selector checks for appropriate parameters to be ignored.
[11:34] <papabean> However, it does correctly check for root privileges.
[11:34] <papabean> Does sys.argv get "eaten" somewhere?
[11:36] <Riddell> probably needs KCommandLineArgs
[11:36] <Riddell> no, KCmdLineOptions
[11:37] <papabean> Or KCmdLineArgs?
[11:37] <papabean> Already in there.  I'm gonna play a bit.
[11:37] <Riddell> see towards the bottom of http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdeutils/printer-applet/printer-applet.py?revision=827981&view=markup
[11:41] <papabean> Looking at that.
[11:41] <papabean> Thanks.
[11:52] <papabean> I'm not having the success you had with the printer-config-applet.
[11:53] <papabean> Added this line: options = KCmdLineOptions() and then print options.  Which yields a PyKDE4.kdecore object
[11:54] <papabean> Added the addCmdLines line and args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()
[11:54] <papabean> Printing args yields nothing and passed args to qt-language-selector are ignored.
[11:54] <papabean> What did I miss?
[11:58] <papabean> Is it the options.add lines?  Do I need to add one that includes the "--mode" line?
[12:01] <papabean> Ok.  I retract all that.
[12:02] <papabean> If I run qt-language-selector with no options, options and args are both Python objects and usage is returned.
[12:05] <papabean> Ok. Turns out sys.argv get "eaten" the first time they're referenced by any function.
[12:05] <papabean> If I put a print sys.argv PRIOR to KCmdLineArgs.init
[12:06] <papabean> I get a list with the command line options.
[12:06] <papabean> Does that mean I should put the options checks BEFORE the application even creates the KApplication?
[12:09] <papabean> s/the application/qt-language-selector/
[12:09] <Riddell>  KCmdLineArgs.init should be before the KApplication is made
[12:10] <papabean> It is.
[12:11] <papabean> If I print sys.argv RIGHT after that, it's an empty list.
[12:12] <Riddell> so ignore sys.argv
[12:12] <Riddell> and use KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs() like printer-applet does
[12:13] <papabean> Tried that, too.  args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs().  Print args on next line: args = empty.
[12:13] <papabean> If you're stunned, you're not alone.
[12:14] <papabean> KCmdLineArgs.init (sys.argv, aboutData)
[12:14] <papabean>     args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()
[12:14] <Riddell> it needs the KApplication to be made between those I suspect
[12:14] <papabean> Ok.  Let me try that.
[12:15] <papabean> With this line:
[12:15] <papabean>     args = KCmdLineArgs.parsedArgs()
[12:15] <papabean>     print args
[12:15] <papabean> after the creation of KApplication, args is still empty.
[12:16] <Riddell> what is printed out?
[12:16] <papabean> Nothing and I get the default: "Unknown option mode" - the command line is sudo ./qt-language-selector --mode select
[12:17] <papabean> and then "Use --help to get a list of available command line options"
[12:17] <papabean> IOW, the --mode option is being passed through to KE.
[12:17] <papabean> KDE.
[12:18] <Riddell> papabean: commit and push your changes and I'll take a look
[12:18] <papabean> Ok.
[12:21] <papabean> Done.  Great timing.  I need to go get some sleep now.  ~4:30 am here.
[12:38] <txwikinger> Is there a  kde.mk file for kde4?
[12:42] <apachelogger> txwikinger: kdepimlibs
[12:43] <txwikinger> inside the package?
[12:43] <apachelogger> yes
[12:43] <txwikinger> ah ok
[12:43] <apachelogger> the whole directory debian/cdbs needs to be included for kde4 packages
[12:43] <txwikinger> instead of the kde.mk in the normal cdbs folder
[12:44] <apachelogger> txwikinger: have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skanlite
[13:10] <txwikinger> apachelogger: How do I create the CMakeLists.txt file?
[13:15] <apachelogger> hm
[13:15] <apachelogger> txwikinger: what are you working on?
[13:15] <txwikinger> keep
[13:15] <txwikinger> just messing around
[13:15] <txwikinger> I found a script
[13:17] <txwikinger> Well.. would be nice I figure it out somehow and we can use it
[13:28] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, PyKDE4 isn't really all that different than PyQt4...
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know where the PyKDE4 docs are installed?
[13:57] <apachelogger> txwikinger: depends on the script really ;-)
[13:57] <apachelogger> txwikinger: cmake --help-html > cmake.html && konqueror cmake.html
[13:57] <txwikinger> am2cmake
[13:58] <apachelogger> hum
[13:58] <apachelogger> txwikinger: isn't that a KDE script?
[13:58] <apachelogger> as in ... part of kdesdk
[13:58] <Xand3r> ap how i can make from a deb an diff an orig.tar and and .dsc?
[13:58] <txwikinger> yes
[13:58] <txwikinger> dpkg-buildpackage
[13:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: why would you do that?
[13:58] <txwikinger> from a .deb?
[13:59] <apachelogger> thats what he said :P
[13:59] <apachelogger> txwikinger: so what do you want to do with am2cmake?
[13:59] <Xand3r> i need the cdbs
[13:59] <Xand3r> of that package
[13:59] <txwikinger> you can't ... the sources are not in there
[13:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: ????
[13:59] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I already did
[13:59] <apachelogger> ah, fair enough
[13:59] <txwikinger> I created the CMakeLists files with it
[14:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I imagine you are really bad at telling stories because you never begin at the beginning :P
[14:00] <txwikinger> Now I have a problem that it doesn't find kde4-config
[14:00] <apachelogger> txwikinger: change $PATH
[14:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no i am good in telling storys :p
[14:00] <apachelogger> yah sure
[14:00] <Xand3r> but i thought you know the beginning
[14:00] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Inside pbuilder?
[14:01] <apachelogger> hm
[14:01] <apachelogger> quoting cartman: "this is a bad pbuilder, BAD PBUILDER!!"
[14:01] <Xand3r> i need  the kde.mk and the cmake.mk vrom a kde4 app from intrepid
[14:01] <apachelogger> txwikinger: did you include the magic cdbs dir?
[14:01] <txwikinger> inside debian? yes
[14:01] <apachelogger> aye
[14:02] <txwikinger> the one from the package you gave me
[14:02] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dood, that is like a really strange thing to say
[14:02] <apachelogger> txwikinger: no goody good
[14:02] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you build dep on kdelibs5-dev?
[14:02] <txwikinger> yes and kde4-devel
[14:03] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ?
[14:03] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[14:03] <apachelogger> txwikinger: I never heard of kde4-devel
[14:03] <apachelogger> !info kde4-devel intrepid
[14:04] <apachelogger> quoting cartman: "kick ass!"
[14:04] <apachelogger> txwikinger: don't you think that is pulling in a bit too many deps?
[14:04] <apachelogger> s/deps/packages
[14:04] <txwikinger> well since it did not fix my error, I will take it out again
[14:04] <apachelogger> aye
[14:04] <txwikinger> I found it in one of the forums that it would fix my error, but it didn't
[14:05] <apachelogger> txwikinger: it's an intrepid pbuilder, right?
[14:05] <txwikinger> No hardy.. but I can try it on intrepid too
[14:05] <apachelogger> well
[14:05] <apachelogger> that cdbs _only_ works with intrepid
[14:05] <txwikinger> ah
[14:05] <txwikinger> why is that
[14:05] <apachelogger> for hardy you would have to use the ones from hardy-bacports
[14:05] <apachelogger> txwikinger: path change
[14:05] <apachelogger> kde4 in intrepid is in /usr
[14:06] <apachelogger> in hardy it's in /usr/lib/kde4
[14:06] <txwikinger> ah... that is why it doesn't find kde4-config?
[14:06] <apachelogger> aye
[14:06] <txwikinger> ah ok
[14:06]  * apachelogger started packaging quassel 0.2.0 rc1  3 hours ago -.-
[14:06] <apachelogger> <-- busy
[14:07] <txwikinger> Well... you should be already finished for 2h29mins
[14:08] <txwikinger> creepy.. first need to do an intrepid update
[14:09] <apachelogger> txwikinger: 2h56mins
[14:09] <txwikinger> 4 mins for packaging ?
[14:09] <apachelogger> aye
[14:09] <txwikinger> do you have a Cray?
[14:09] <txwikinger> My lappy does not even run pbuilder so fast
[14:09] <apachelogger> <-- scripting guy
[14:10] <apachelogger> txwikinger: well, while pbuilder is unpacking you can easily finish the packaging :P
[14:10] <apachelogger> nah, quassel just needs an update + change of buildsystem
[14:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i need only the kde.mk or?
[14:14] <vorian> morning
[14:14] <Xand3r> hi vorian
[14:14] <vorian> Xand3r: you need 4 files in all
[14:14] <apachelogger> Xand3r: rethink that question :P
[14:14] <apachelogger> why would we include 4 files but only need one? :P
[14:14] <vorian> haha
[14:14] <Xand3r> yea in that package, but in mine?
[14:15] <Xand3r> so kde.mk in cludes the debhelper and cmake
[14:15] <Xand3r> why i need the other?
[14:16] <txwikinger> because they are called in kde.mk?
[14:16] <Xand3r> no
[14:16] <Xand3r> i can reread it but first time i dont found it
[14:18] <Xand3r> apachelogger: please talk to me
[14:18] <apachelogger> *talk*
[14:18] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what?
[14:19] <Xand3r> kde.mk sems not to includ one of the other files, so wy i need them?
[14:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: technically said you don't need them
[14:19] <apachelogger> but you include them
[14:20]  * apachelogger is feeling a bit dizzy
[14:20] <apachelogger> :S
[14:21] <Xand3r> ok, that what i mean, i dont need them, ok i am not stupid
[14:21] <Xand3r> but why i put them in the package
[14:21] <Xand3r> ?
[14:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: some things are better not to be known ;-)
[14:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: most understandable reason: to know which cdbs dir that is
[14:22] <apachelogger> the dirs vor hardy and intrepid contain different files
[14:22] <apachelogger> vorian: can you write the support mail yourself?
[14:22]  * apachelogger isn't very creative today :P
[14:22] <apachelogger> and dizzy
[14:22] <apachelogger> woah
[14:22]  * apachelogger needs something to drink
[14:22] <vorian> lol
[14:24] <vorian> apachelogger: it's too early to drink
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> So in regards to the todo list, what exactly needs to be done with the randr kcm module?
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> Test it/ file bugs?
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Heh, it's not doing the crazy shite that it was doing in 4.0 anymore, that's good.
[14:27] <vorian> what crazy shite?
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> Crash while attempting to change screen rez when you opened the module in systemsettings
[14:29] <vorian> ah
[14:30]  * txwikinger never knew that Scotland is so far away
[14:32] <Riddell> txwikinger: we like to keep it separated from the riff raff :)
[14:32] <txwikinger> Riddell: I understand that very well
[14:33]  * txwikinger wants to keep distance from the riff raff here too
[14:33] <vorian> :o
[14:33] <txwikinger> hence the idea to go to Scotland ;)
[14:34] <txwikinger> vorian: here was not meant this channel, bu me geographical location :p
[14:34] <txwikinger> but my
[14:34] <vorian> haha
[14:34] <apachelogger> well
[14:34] <Riddell> 5 hours on train to Embra
[14:35] <apachelogger> we could all go to scotland and keep distance from the riff raff :P
[14:35] <txwikinger> multimap says 5h 7mins by car to Glasgow
[14:35] <Xand3r> hey i have to go we see us later
[14:35] <Xand3r> c ya
[14:35] <txwikinger> c ya in Scotland :D
[14:35] <vorian> Scotland is only but a hop, skip, and a jump away
[14:35] <apachelogger> there, Xand3r already leaves for scotland
[14:35] <apachelogger> cu Xand3r
[14:35] <vorian> o/ safe journey Xand3r
[14:36]  * txwikinger leaves to pick up son from school
[14:36] <txwikinger> later folks
[14:37]  * apachelogger waves to txwikinger
[14:38] <apachelogger> vorian: really, I can only write "kick ass"
[14:38] <vorian> apachelogger: whatever you feel is appropriate ^.^
[14:38] <apachelogger> that is not appropriate, which is the problem here :P
[14:38] <vorian> hmmm
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> The examples directory of the python-kde4-docs is empty D:
[14:49] <Riddell> examples are in apt-get source python-kde4-docs
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> Thanks.
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, it can't find a source package for python-kde4-docs
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Nor kdebindings
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> *kde4bindings
[14:51] <Riddell> it's kde4bindings in intrepid
[14:52]  * JontheEchidna needs to get around to reinstalling intrepid
[14:52]  * vorian cracks the whip! install install!
[14:53] <nixternal> happy 4th of july! \o/
[14:54] <Riddell> papabean: you have no options.add(...) lines
[14:54] <nixternal> or happy independence day I guess...though it will be better when we can celebrate our independence from bush and oil :P
[14:54] <RegEchse> hi
[14:54] <Riddell> nixternal: any day now I'm sure
[14:54] <Riddell> hi RegEchse
[14:55]  * JontheEchidna downloads intrepid iso
[14:55] <nixternal> hehe
[14:55] <vorian> nixternal: you mean foreign oil, right? :)
[14:55] <RegEchse> Does anybody know who is responsible for the bot "ubottu"?
[14:55] <vorian> RegEchse: see #ubuntu-ops
[14:55] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, I can get the source from launchpad!
[14:55] <nixternal> vorian: I mean oil oil, except extra virgin olive and corn I guess :)
[14:55] <vorian> haha
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> But now they're even using corn oil in oil oil!
[14:56] <nixternal> that's good
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> isos take forever to download over a 1.5 mbit connection...
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> forever = 1 hour
[14:57] <JontheEchidna> Better than dialup though
[15:02]  * apachelogger is wondering for another oil usecase than burning it
[15:02]  * apachelogger is wondering about grammer as well
[15:13] <JontheEchidna> plastic is another oil usecase
[15:14] <apachelogger> eventually that plastic gets burned as well, once it became useless
[16:11] <txwikinger> cute.. now it complains about the install target
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> Why is Qt designer segfaulting...
[16:33] <Riddell> maybe it doesn't like the pykde plugins
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the console error logs, it looks like you're right.
[16:35]  * apachelogger gets started with qtruby
[16:37] <txwikinger> apachelogger: that sounds like a virus
[16:38] <DRebellion> Would somebody mind reviewing my package? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=monkeystudio Thanks ;)
[16:41] <apachelogger> it's a Qt IDE
[16:41] <apachelogger> txwikinger: aye, one can't stop tha ruby
[16:41]  * apachelogger just b0rked the amarok release script
[16:42] <txwikinger> then unb0rk it again
[16:47] <ScottK> DRebellion: Is is a KDE package?
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: [17:41:00] <apachelogger> it's a Qt IDE
[16:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[16:47] <ScottK> OK.
[16:47] <DRebellion> ScottK, yep
[16:47] <ScottK> OK.
[16:48]  * txwikinger is looking forward to the independence party
[16:48] <txwikinger> maybe I should throw some tea bags into the canal :D
[16:49] <DRebellion> txwikinger, don't - the ducks will get high on caffeine and stage a revolt
[16:49] <txwikinger> Well.. that would be a start :p
[16:50] <DRebellion> txwikinger, towards what? -.-
[16:50] <txwikinger> Revolution :D
[16:50] <DRebellion> heh
[17:53] <papabean> Riddell: Can I continue where I left off?   Or do I need to pull fresh code?
[18:01] <Riddell> papabean: you can
[18:02] <papabean> Ok.  Going to add an options.add() line or two to the mix.
[18:03] <Xand3r> hey ho folks
[18:05] <vorian> hi Xand3r
[18:06] <Xand3r> hi vorian
[18:14] <Xand3r> how can i check if automoc4 is broken or not?
[18:17] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: ping
[18:17] <Riddell> hi SSJ_GZ
[18:17] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Hey :) I saw your blog, and wondered if I could abuse you as a clee replacement and get syndicated? :)
[18:25] <ScottK> smarter and Riddell: Please see Bug #245339
[18:26] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: name, KDE occupation and feed?
[18:26] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Shall I forward you the e-mail I sent to clee?
[18:27] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Actually, may as well just do it here :) Simon St James, currently just KDE4Daily but hopefully "upstream" development soon, and http://ssj-gz.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default
[18:31] <Riddell> St James?
[18:31] <Riddell> What's the St  SSJ_GZ?
[18:32] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Abbreviation of "Saint" :)
[18:33] <Riddell> goodness
[18:33] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Quite the reverse >:)
[18:33] <Riddell> [http://ssj-gz.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default]
[18:33] <Riddell> name = Simon St James (SSJ_GZ)
[18:33] <Riddell> that right?
[18:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Yep :)
[18:34] <Riddell> SSJ_GZ: pushed, should appear in half an hour or so
[18:34] <SSJ_GZ> Riddell: Wow, that was quick and easy - many thanks :)
[18:36] <papabean> Riddell: Have one options.add() line in there.  Does show up when --help is passed.  Now to figure out how to query the parameters that are passed with --mode.
[18:37] <Riddell> papabean: the code in printer-applet shows the simple use
[18:38] <papabean> Right.  For a boolean option (as I was able to glean from the KCmdLine docs)
[18:39] <papabean> I haven't given up yet.  :)
[18:48] <papabean> Looking at the KCmdLines docs, to specify options that take parameters the option should be followed by a \
[18:48] <papabean> i.e, "mode \"
[18:49] <papabean> However, this is causing syntax errors, so I tried \\.  That just makes the option (according to --help), mode \
[18:49] <papabean> Any ideas?  Or example code that may cover this?  You know what.  I'll do the legwork.
[18:54] <papabean> Ok.  I have to step out for a bit.  I will get back to this later.  Thanks for the inroad, Riddell.
[18:54]  * Xand3r is building pbuilder hardy and intrepid with 45kb/s download
[18:57] <yuriy> how is next tuesday for a kde3->4 hug day for people?
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> Good for me
[19:00] <Riddell> papabean: I think that \ is a c++ism
[19:03] <smarter> Riddell: \ works too in python
[19:11] <jussi01> yuriy: wfm :)
[19:15] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: if you're working on kde3 bugs in the next few days, please mark them off on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay/20080708 if they're on that list
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> k
[19:52] <yuriy> txwikinger: i'm putting you in the email as one of the people to ask questions
[20:12]  * JontheEchidna has the first bit of a jockey pyqt4->pykde4 port
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25061/
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> I was thinkin' about putting an "about" button on the opposite side of the "close" button to utilize our free about dialog that KDE provides, but Qt Designer segfaults on me
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> ...and maybe we could give "Close" the close oxygen icon. :D
[20:17] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: isn't there a standard KDE dialog for that type of stuff?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> what type of stuff?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> The about dialog?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> There is a standard KDE about dialog, but I need Qt designer to add a pushbutton so we can actually access it
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> WEll, I technically don't *need* qt designer for that, but...
[20:24] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: I mean with a standard close/apply/ whatever button
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> I guess we could transform jockey-kde into a dialog box instead of a main window.
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> ...but I also need qt designer for that since the ui is set up with a ui file
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> I could give Close an oxygen quit icon in the meantime. :D
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Er, well default to whatever icon theme you're using.
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> Which will be oxygen unless you're crazy. ;)
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> So how does one go about contributing code to ubuntu?
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: How would I get involved in jockey-kde dev? (See above)
[21:04]  * supert0nes wishes he could give spare cpu cycles to the building of nightly
[21:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: how can i check if the automoc4 of the nightly build works or is broen?
[21:29] <supert0nes> think it might be Xand3r?
[21:30] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:30] <supert0nes> its been a while since there was an update
[21:31] <Xand3r> hmm
[21:32] <supert0nes> 15 days
[21:38] <Xand3r> thats i get if i whant to compile gtk-qt-engine for neon http://paste.ubuntu.com/25076/
[21:40] <Xand3r> supert0nes: an idea?
[21:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger: pleas ping when you are there
[21:40] <supert0nes> i havent been able to get that working
[21:41]  * apachelogger puts his most expensive dress on and pings
[21:41] <supert0nes> i use gtk-chtheme
[21:41] <apachelogger> PING
[21:41] <supert0nes> it works
[21:41] <apachelogger> PING
[21:41] <apachelogger> PING
[21:41] <apachelogger> PIGN
[21:41] <apachelogger> ah
[21:41] <apachelogger> wtf
[21:42] <supert0nes> hate to be bothersome but when is nightly base planning on churning out an update?
[21:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger: sorry if i annoy you but i thought you could help me
[21:43] <Xand3r> apachelogger i ask anothertime sorry
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> supert0nes: Might want to ask in the amarok neon channel
[21:44]  * apachelogger is drunk
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> ^lol
[21:44] <apachelogger> other than that I am askable
[21:46] <Xand3r> JontheEchidna: the only one i think who can helps with the nightly builds is apachelogger
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> Ah yeah, since he is the neon mastermind o teh universe
[21:47] <apachelogger> that is really the problem ... me being the only one having a clue :P
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> btw, would you happen to know how to go about contributing code to jockey-kde?
[21:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: poke master mhb
[21:49] <JontheEchidna> mhb: I'm interested in doing a port of jockey-kde to pykde4
[21:51]  * JontheEchidna has this so far: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25061/
[21:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: so you have a clue, what is the problem with my system and the gtk-qt-...
[21:53]  * JontheEchidna brb's to exercise the dog
[21:53] <apachelogger> well
[21:53] <apachelogger> automoc4: process for /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine/build/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error
[21:53] <apachelogger> I can certainly say it again
[21:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: gtk-qt doesn't support out-of-source builds!
[21:53] <Xand3r> it is the source from kde-look-org
[21:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: jockey code is at https://code.launchpad.net/jockey, branch the trunk and work on it
[21:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: a port to pykde4 would be a lovely start
[21:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: a good idea to talk to mhb if you have paticular plans
[22:03]  * JontheEchidna is back
[22:04] <JontheEchidna> Oh, and any tips on how to get Qt designer back into a usable state?
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, seems there already is a branch for pykde4
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> Heh, seems to be about what I did
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh boy
[22:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: read the readme
[22:24] <apachelogger> do exactly what it says
[22:26] <txwikinger> yuriy?
[22:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there is no redme
[22:28] <Xand3r> *readme
[22:29] <apachelogger> s/readme/install
[22:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ? running cmake.make, sudo make install? thats what i try
[22:33] <Xand3r> and dont work
[22:33] <apachelogger> no
[22:33] <apachelogger> you don't run cmake .
[22:33] <apachelogger> you run cmake ..
[22:33] <apachelogger> as you are in ./build/
[22:34] <Xand3r> no word about it in the onstall
[22:36] <apachelogger> To compile, run the following commands:
[22:36] <apachelogger>     cmake .
[22:36] <apachelogger>     make
[22:36] <apachelogger>     sudo make install
[22:37] <apachelogger> I can see clearly now...
[22:37] <supert0nes> heh
[22:38]  * apachelogger is wondering how to properly set a windowicon with rubyqt
[22:39]  * supert0nes would probably see how qtdesigner would do it
[22:39] <apachelogger> less fun
[22:40] <supert0nes> apachelogger:  any thought on those 15 day old nightly packages? i know i'm prodding a bit...
[22:40] <apachelogger> hm
[22:40] <apachelogger> maybe b0rked
[22:41] <supert0nes> that sucks but it would make sense
[22:42] <apachelogger> checkOut() started with component: kdesupport
[22:44] <supert0nes> thats way less fun than libs heh jk
[22:45] <Xand3r> apachelogger: cmake .. didnt find the automoc4
[22:45] <apachelogger> maybe there is no automoc in neon
[22:45] <apachelogger> dpkg -S automoc
[22:46] <apachelogger> d'oh
[22:46] <apachelogger> window.setWindowIcon(Qt::Icon.new('../.bzr.png'))
[22:46] <apachelogger> that seems pretty straight forward, doesn't it :S
[22:46] <supert0nes> usually is
[22:47] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ther is an automoc
[22:47] <apachelogger> Xand3r: set path and ld_library
[22:48] <apachelogger> and run with -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/kde-nightly
[22:48]  * apachelogger thinks his gui is pretty sweet
[22:48] <Xand3r> apachelogger: gui of what?
[22:48] <apachelogger> release script
[22:51] <Xand3r> wich releases?
[22:51] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot034.png
[22:52] <Xand3r> apachelogger: prety cool
[22:53] <supert0nes> qt gui's are interesting to learn
[22:53] <supert0nes> pretty sweet tho
[22:54] <supert0nes> the whole set it up, show it then hit the loop and run scripts from signals and slots takes some getting used to
[22:55] <supert0nes> so nightly is doing kdesupport right now?
[22:58] <Xand3r> its a never ending storry, i get the same -.- http://paste.ubuntu.com/25084/
[22:58] <Xand3r> i need a dict.leo.org plasmoid
[23:00] <Xand3r> slow i hate my self
[23:04] <apachelogger> automoc4: process for /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine/build/kcm_gtk/moc_searchpaths.cpp failed: Unknown error
[23:04] <apachelogger> Xand3r: what exactly changed?
[23:04] <apachelogger> I still see a ./build/ directory
[23:05] <apachelogger> supert0nes: something like that
[23:05] <apachelogger> supert0nes: https://edge.launchpad.net/~project-neon/+archive/+build/660887
[23:06] <apachelogger> oh
[23:06] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i tryed the second time with the build dir befor it dont worked without so i tryed out
[23:06] <apachelogger> apparently cron invoked a build anyway
[23:07] <apachelogger> Xand3r: das war unverständlich
[23:07] <Xand3r> joa
[23:08] <Xand3r> also ich hatte nie ein build verzeichnis erst als du damit angefangen hast habe ich es damit ausprobiert
[23:08] <Xand3r> und ohne gehts auch netz
[23:08] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wie sieht der fehler ohne aus?
[23:08] <Xand3r> das ist der selbe
[23:08] <Xand3r> immer
[23:11] <apachelogger> scru it!
[23:11] <apachelogger> Xand3r: doesn't want to be compiled
[23:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: but i want it
[23:11] <apachelogger> then fix it's cmake files
[23:12] <Xand3r> i told you about my knowleg of cmake
[23:13] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the kde.mk of crystal includes patchsys-quilt.mk, but pbuilder says it dont exist
[23:15] <Xand3r> but cdbs is in the build-depends so what is going on here?
[23:15] <apachelogger> build-dep on quilt
[23:16] <Xand3r> yea
[23:16] <Xand3r> as i read it
[23:17] <Xand3r> in that moment again in the google search
[23:17] <Xand3r> gna how stuipid i am
[23:19] <apachelogger> dood, you should become austrian
[23:19] <apachelogger> it's weird when germans call themself stupid that often :S
[23:20] <Xand3r> -.-
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, does anybody know what the advantage of KIcon is over QIcon? (Just curious...)
[23:22] <Xand3r> what is the arch sparc?
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> Sun microsystems' computer's arch
[23:23] <Xand3r> aha
[23:23] <Xand3r> the build servwer of sparc is to stupid to install dep packages
[23:24] <Xand3r> look http://paste.ubuntu.com/25086/
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> Ah, KIcon offers style integratoin
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> *integration
[23:26]  * txwikinger is back
[23:26] <txwikinger> apachelogger: what does this mean?
[23:26] <Xand3r> who is a build admin?
[23:26] <Xand3r> dont hide
[23:27] <txwikinger> CMake Error: Attempt to add link target keep of type: EXECUTABLE
[23:27] <Xand3r> i have a question to that loghttp://paste.ubuntu.com/25086/
[23:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: ask google
[23:31]  * apachelogger never saw that error
[23:31] <apachelogger> Xand3r: yeah, maybe you could not blame the server
[23:31] <txwikinger> hmm.. first googling did not help.. I will look deeper
[23:31] <apachelogger> because I rather think one of these packages doesn't build on spar
[23:31] <apachelogger> c
[23:31] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you can always read the cmake code ;-)
[23:31] <apachelogger> or mail the cmake list
[23:31] <txwikinger> I think it has something with add_subdirectory to do
[23:32] <apachelogger> latter is probably faster
[23:32] <Xand3r> oh ok i only wanted to know that it was not my fault
[23:32] <txwikinger> grep the cmake code :D
[23:38] <apachelogger> txwikinger: ack
[23:38] <apachelogger> ack > grep
[23:56] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i thought if i could not compile it maybe the pbuilder could do, so i downloaded the package source and edited the rules, but now i get following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25094/
[23:57] <Xand3r> my rules is http://paste.ubuntu.com/25095/
[23:57] <apachelogger> Xand3r: apparently your system is b0rked
[23:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: is that the same prompt as the one where you changed path and ld_libraryß
[23:58] <apachelogger> ?
[23:58] <Xand3r> ?
[23:59] <Xand3r> this is trying to build an dsc
[23:59] <Xand3r> not compiling it
[23:59] <apachelogger> oh
[23:59] <apachelogger> I thought that debuild -S -sa builds a package as well -.-
[23:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mach ne neue konsole auf und versuch es da