[12:48] <dyn> then i rather moved towards enterprise java development, so i stopped completely with C coding
[12:48] <UBMike> sertmann, (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 768
[12:49] <UBMike> sertmann, the monitor does more with windows, darn it :)
[12:50] <UBMike> sertmann, (--) NVIDIA(0): Display dimensions: (300, 230) mm
[12:51] <UBMike> sertmann, (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (86, 84)
[12:51] <sertmann> hmmm
[12:51] <UBMike> sertmann, maybe I need to set it to 100dpi somewhere.
[12:51] <Ng> if it's not giving you enough resolution, it could be the monitor refresh settings are wrong
[12:52] <sertmann> yeah
[12:52] <sertmann> i think that too....
[12:52] <sertmann> but they look pretty ok
[12:52] <UBMike> It's a mitsubishi diamond plus 17. about 10 yo
[12:53] <xskoulax> UBMike: is there a model number on the display?
[12:54] <UBMike> TFV6708SKHKW
[12:55] <UBMike> it's a trinitron clone
[12:56] <Kamion> that sounds more like a serial number than a model number
[12:56] <ploum> Hello
[12:56] <ploum> when I launch a terminal, I have :
[12:56] <UBMike> serial # is 808503100
[12:56] <ploum> Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:56] <ploum> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[12:56] <ploum> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[12:56] <ploum> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[12:57] <ploum> I simply play with apt-get and packages
[12:57] <ploum> what must I install ?
[12:57] <lupus> gtk2-devel?
[12:58] <seb128> libgtk2.0-dev
[12:58] <UBMike> Kamion, X agrees with me: (**) |   |-->Monitor "TFV6708SKHKW"
[12:58] <sertmann> USBMike: Mitsubishi Diamond Plus 71: Using hsync  30.00-69.00 kHz vrefesh 50.00-130.00 Hz
[12:58] <Kamion> UBMike: fair enough
[12:58] <sertmann> does those match yours?
[12:58] <ploum> thx seb128 and lupus !
[12:58] <Meridian> re all
[12:58] <xskoulax> thats what i'm getting on that display too
[12:58] <UBMike> looks good, let me get my syncs
[12:58] <xskoulax> info wise
[12:59] <xskoulax> sertmann, looks to be the quicker googler
[12:59] <sertmann> :)
[12:59] <UBMike> (II) NVIDIA(0): TFV6708SKHKW: Using hsync range of 30.00-69.00 kHz
[12:59] <UBMike> (II) NVIDIA(0): TFV6708SKHKW: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-130.00 Hz
[12:59] <sertmann> well that's all good then....
[01:00] <sertmann> im dry of idead then....
[01:00] <sertmann> ideas then
[01:00] <UBMike> maybe it's so old...
[01:00] <xskoulax> UBMike: thought about a nice shiny lcd?
[01:01] <UBMike> xskoulax, ooh yea, but I blew the budget inside the box... :)
[01:01] <Meridian> anyone could tell me when i can expect to see krusader in the distribution?
[01:02] <xskoulax> UBMike: you need a friend who updates his computer faster than he can change his underware
[01:02] <sertmann> graw.... anyone got any release date on cxoffice 3.1? i want iTunes! :/
[01:02] <UBMike> xskoulax, heh. it was a cast-off celeron 1200, but it's a P4/3.0 now
[01:03] <xskoulax> nice box
[01:03] <PenguinBoy> mornign guys!
[01:03] <xskoulax> beats the snot out of this amd 1.4ghz
[01:03] <sertmann> P4, why didn't you go a AMD64 FX-??? ?
[01:03] <UBMike> xskoulax, everything was dying. the case, cd and floppy remain from the old
[01:04] <sertmann> man i need to stop typing....
[01:04] <bloggsie> How do I get RealAudio working? Is there something for it in Ubunto, or do I have to install it outside the distribution?
[01:04] <UBMike> sertmann, well I dunno. I thought they weren't all they cracked out to be
[01:05] <PenguinBoy> can you apt-get RealAudio?
[01:05] <bloggsie> That's what I want to know
[01:05] <sertmann> UBMIKE: they're fast a'ight.... :)
[01:06] <UBMike> sertmann, and real stable and cheap?The last Athlon I had needed a fan that would wake the dead...
[01:06] <xskoulax> UBMike: i got lucky on the display a friend got a 15" lcd as a free upgrade with a dell he got a while back but 15" wasn't cutting it so he broke the bank on a 19" so i managed to get the 15" for 100$us when they were running at $350 at only 2 months old i figure it was a steal
[01:06] <xskoulax> well pleased at that purchase
[01:07] <sertmann> well heating was never AMD's stong side.... it's not too bad though, just need to buy proper (low noise) fans
[01:07] <UBMike> xskoulax, cool. the good thing about lcd's is the longer you wait, the cheaper they get.
[01:07] <xskoulax> true
[01:08] <xskoulax> maybe when i manage to get working again i can save up and get some new toys ;-)
[01:08] <UBMike> sertmann, yea. that particular Athlon was involved in a bit of a reactor meltdown one hot night...
[01:08] <Meridian> anyone could tell me when i can expect to see krusader in the distribution?
[01:09] <UBMike> Meridian, you're in luck, jdub is a krusader, and he's in this distro!
[01:11] <xskoulax> i would imagine when they start shipping with kde, which i "THINK" they are planning
[01:11] <sertmann> hope not...
[01:11] <xskoulax> sertmann: not in place of gnome
[01:11] <UBMike> what is krusader anyhow?
[01:11] <mjg59> There's no plan to ship with KDE, as such - the CD will be Gnome
[01:12] <sertmann> yes sir...
[01:12] <xskoulax> ok thats koo, i dig gnome more these days anyhoo
[01:12] <sertmann> hope that won't change, atleast not until DR17 is out.... :)
[01:12] <Ng> hehe
[01:12] <FluFlo> anybody  here uses evo to read the news?
[01:12] <Ng> dream on ;)
[01:13] <Meridian> :-)
[01:13] <StoneTable> one of the packages in ubuntu is the version from debian sid, not experimental (because it relied on gnome 2.8).  Should I file a bug against that, or how do I see who's maintaining that package in ubuntu?
[01:14] <UBMike> StoneTable, is it from universe or warty?
[01:15] <UBMike> StoneTable, if universe: 'software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu..'
[01:16] <StoneTable> yeah, it's from universe
[01:16] <StoneTable> but they grabbed the wrong version
[01:19] <StoneTable> They've got the version of libgnome2-vfs-perl from sid, which supported up to gnome 2.6 features, but not the version from experimental that supported gnome 2.8's vfs.  It _works_, but doesn't support some of the things in 2.8
[01:20] <PenguinBoy> does anyone know hoe to apt-get flash?
[01:20] <StoneTable> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[01:21] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[01:21] <StoneTable> unless that's a leftover from my sid migration. otherwise it's flashplugin
[01:21] <sertmann> hey that reminds me, is there a mplayer-plugin in ubuntu, or is it marillat all the way?
[01:22] <PenguinBoy> didn;t find file flashplugin
[01:23] <UBMike> PenguinBoy, it's in universe
[01:24] <PenguinBoy> thanks
[01:24] <UBMike> installs nicely too...
[01:26] <eaon> humm. for some reason i can't watch mpegs with totem - is there a gstreamer package i'm missing (like 0.8-mad for mp3?)
[01:27] <Kamion> the usual recommendation seems to be totem-xine
[01:27] <sertmann> i had the same problem, totem-xine worked
[01:27] <sertmann> oh
[01:27] <sertmann> to late :)
[01:30] <eaon> meh, okay
[01:31] <eaon> thanks
[01:31] <eaon> even if i'd have prefered gstreamer ;)
[01:32] <eaon> cool, even makes thumbnails
[01:33] <|trey|> PenguinBoy: multiverse "flashplugin-nonfree"
[01:34] <|trey|> java-package is there too... much better java speed  :)
[01:35] <PenguinBoy> newbie...what does multiverse mean
[01:36] <|trey|> non-free, unsupported
[01:36] <PenguinBoy> k
[01:36] <PenguinBoy> so you can;t apt-get it......you have to download and unzip?
[01:37] <|trey|> main = free, supported; restricted = non-free, supported; universe = free, unsupported; multiverse = non-free, unsupported.
[01:37] <|trey|> Everything will fit into ONE of those  :)
[01:38] <|trey|> Everything has to be distributable though...
[02:12] <junme> whats ubuthu like?
[02:13] <eaon> it's like ... cool ... you know :)
[02:13] <kent> junme, well, its sort of like a fully working GNU/Linux distribution. You get a working desktop thats easy to use.
[02:17] <junme> can I use debain apt?
[02:18] <Zindar> junme: na.. but you can use ubuntu apt :)
[02:18] <Zindar> junme: ubuntu IS debian... but preconfigured with gnome and other sane stuff
[02:19] <junme> can I use kde
[02:20] <Zindar> junme: unsupported but yeah
[02:23] <eaon> you're maybe better off with getting a kde based desktop distro
[02:24] <__daniel> eaon, why should junme? ubuntu ROCKS hard - it's not just gnome that makes it rock
[02:26] <dyn> eaon: i wouldn't say kde is clearly more popular
[02:26] <dyn> 90% of my linux users friends prefer gnome (myself included), for example
[02:26] <dyn> and we talk about ~20 guys at least
[02:27] <Zindar> I know ONE person who runs kde
[02:27] <eaon> hey i'm not pro-kde :)
[02:27] <Zindar> and about 300 that runs gnome
[02:27] <Zindar> so.. :)
[02:28] <sikkh> you make me feel bad for running KDE
[02:28] <sikkh> ;(
[02:28] <dyn> lol sikkh :)
[02:28] <__daniel> where do i make a "package from debian sid"-request?
[02:31] <sikkh> I used to run GNOME but since one year I run KDE only
[02:31] <sikkh> Kontact&Konqueror is simply too good :P
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: ubuntu-users I think...
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: not sure though...
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: and this close to release you are on your own I'd think
[02:31] <dyn> how close?
[02:31] <Zindar> dyn: tomorrow
[02:31] <__daniel> Zindar, i wouldn't care if they add it to universe in 2 weeks :-)
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: try half a year
[02:31] <Zindar> :)
[02:31] <Zindar> __daniel: before next release :)
[02:31] <TheMuso> What I have done with packages from Debian that I have wanted, I have connected to a Debian source mirror, grabbed the source, and rebuilt on Ubuntu.
[02:31] <dyn> Zindar: woot! :)
[02:31] <__daniel> TheMuso, that's what i did, too
[02:31] <Zindar> TheMuso: that's the best was I think
[02:31] <brosen> Of course, in half a year we'll have Gnome 2.10 as well :-)
[02:31] <Zindar> dyn: or run hoary universe when it comes
[02:31] <Zindar> I belive that warty universe will be frozen except for some bugfixes if someone creates them
[02:32] <dyn> a smart move
[02:35] <sikkh> btw why KDE is not among "supported" apps?
[02:35] <sikkh> maintaining it along with GNOME would be too much burden?
[02:35] <dyn> sikkh: see the faq
[02:35] <dyn> it's coming
[02:35] <sikkh> oki
[02:35] <dyn> but not in the focus atm
[02:35] <TheMuso> I believe there are too many KDE centered distros.
[02:35] <TheMuso> IMO
[02:36] <sikkh> TheMuso heh
[02:39] <stvn> hi is there a known issue with the warty-rc installer iso and cdrdao 1.1.9?
[02:40] <TheMuso> Have you checked bugzilla?
[02:40] <dyn> oh well, i wanted to say already - sdl got some problems out of the box
[02:40] <dyn> hangs frozen-bubble and such
[02:40] <dyn> but that was with sounder9 i believe
[02:40] <stvn> TheMuso: nope, didn't spot bugzilla yet, searching now
[02:43] <stvn> hm can't find any bug related to the iso/cdrdao
[02:44] <dyn> haha
[02:44] <dyn> what a quit message ;)
[02:44] <Kamion> why do people still use timebombed shareware when perfectly good free software equivalents are available?
[02:45] <mrjive> re
[02:46] <TheMuso> Hey mrjive
[02:46] <Ng> Kamion: not everyone has freshmeat built into their psyche yet ;)
[02:46] <mrjive> hi TheMuso
[02:47] <Kamion> Ng: I haven't even looked at freshmeat since about 1999
[02:47] <dgtl> hi everyone
[02:47] <Ng> Kamion: my point was meant to be something along the lines of people not knowing where to find good software, or knowing what is good when they get there, so they go for something that works, now ;)
[02:47] <TheMuso> That is true as well.
[02:48] <dgtl> i have some problems ... my system tries to synchronize via ntp before my pcmcia wireless card is activated... anyone know a workaround?
[02:48] <Ng> Kamion: I use debian/ubuntu and freshmeat still lists a boatload more softwrae than either of them :)
[02:48] <Kamion> Ng: the former are good filters for the stuff that's at least minimally worthwhile
[02:48] <TheMuso> dgtl: The best sollution is to move the startup position for the ntp script after the PCMCIA startup.
[02:49] <dgtl> ok... which files is involved?
[02:49] <Ng> Kamion: nonsense, they let me package stuff, the worthwhile filters are clearly broken ;)
[02:49] <Kamion> look in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d
[02:49] <dgtl> ok thanks
[02:49] <Kamion> Ng: I did say "minimally" :)
[02:49] <Ng> hehe
[02:52] <TheMuso> That is actually quite nasty. PCMCIa is brought up after one moves into multi-user mode, I.E runlevel 2. The NTP and networking stuff happens in single user mode. This is actually worth taking up with the devs.
[02:52] <dgtl> yeah i agree
[02:52] <dgtl> :P
[02:53] <Kamion> there's already a bug about it I think; if there isn't, please file one
[02:53] <Kamion> there's probably a chicken-and-egg problem of some kind
[02:53] <Kamion> networking has to come up early
[02:54] <agenteo> hi, I've got a problem installing ubuntu. I've selected 4 partitions / (100mb) /usr (~2GB) /var (~2GB) /home (~2GB) /tmp(500MB) while I was installing I've seen no space left on device... after the login df tells / is full...
[02:54] <kent> Is there some way to make the initscript print the [ok]  in colors like the Fedora/Redhat-way?
[02:54] <Treenaks> agenteo: well, maybe / is full?
[02:54] <Kamion> 100MB is probably indeed slightly too small for /.
[02:54] <mrjive> ciao Scognito
[02:55] <mrjive> agenteo, :)
[02:55] <Kamion> kent: not in a way that persists across upgrades, at the moment.
[02:55] <agenteo> Kamion: is it? It was enough with debian sid... :-\
[02:55] <Kamion> agenteo: an Ubuntu default install is bigger than a Debian default install
[02:55] <Scognito> ciao mrjive :D
[02:56] <mrjive> agenteo, actually 100mb are not so much... you could have been more generous :P
[02:56] <Kamion> agenteo: we have more kernel modules and we install some firmware in /lib by default, which might be enough to push it over the edge
[02:56] <dgtl> can i change the background color behind the splash?
[02:56] <agenteo> so how big should be the / partition for ubuntu?
[02:56] <Scognito> how exactly do i have to install to get nvidia modules working on ubuntu?
[02:56] <Scognito> i use kernel 2.7.x optimized for i686
[02:57] <Kamion> agenteo: do you really need separate / and /usr? most people don't, these days
[02:57] <kent> Scognito, read the documentation on Ubuntus homepage?
[02:57] <Scognito> ok
[02:59] <agenteo> Kamion: it's a legacy from debian and I like it... maybe it's unuseful in some cases
[03:00] <Treenaks> Scognito: kernel 2.7.x ? impressive
[03:01] <Kamion> agenteo: doing an install now to test, I'll let you know
[03:01] <dyn> agenteo: using LVM2 is the best of both worlds imho
[03:01] <Kamion> agenteo: I don't think that's the Debian default now either
[03:01] <Kamion> nope, Debian defaults to / and swap
[03:02] <Zindar> having separate partitions is just wrong... separate LV's is great though
[03:03] <dyn> yeah
[03:03] <dyn> unfortunately LVM2 aint too popular/well known imho
[03:03] <dyn> in spite of it's plain easy to use
[03:04] <Kamion> I'm hoping the next version of the installer will have much smoother LVM support
[03:04] <Kamion> we may even be able to default to it on new installations
[03:04] <Kamion> although ext3 isn't shrinkable so that might be hard
[03:04] <agenteo> if you have 20GB or something like that of /, when something go wrong? Do you loose the system?
[03:05] <Kamion> agenteo: that could easily happen to your / or /usr or /var and you'd still be mostly hosed; you have backups for that sort of thing?
[03:05] <dyn> agenteo: it's more geek to partition your system properly ;P (it allows for fine tuned partition mount options, using different filesystems for different uses, easier backup, etc)
[03:05] <Kamion> in practice that's vanishingly rare
[03:05] <Zindar> Kamion: ext3 is shrinkable.. used to anyway
[03:05] <Scognito> Treenaks, ahhaha sorry i woke up 5 minutes ago :D
[03:05] <Zindar> Kamion: reiserfs/xfs/jfs isn't
[03:05] <Kamion> Zindar: you're right about ext3, sorry
[03:06] <Kamion> although only offline
[03:06] <Kamion> Zindar: I thought reiserfs was
[03:06] <Zindar> yeah...
[03:06] <Zindar> Kamion: only grow:able
[03:06] <Zindar> Kamion: unless that's changed in the last two years :)
[03:06] <Zindar> hehe
[03:06] <Kamion> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2003-07/msg00020.html mentions reiserfs shrinking
[03:07] <Kamion> as does http://www.namesys.com/resize_reiserfs.html
[03:07] <Zindar> ahh
[03:07] <Zindar> alright.. like I said.. two years since I checked
[03:08] <Scognito> kent, it is not in the faq/tutorial/how-to
[03:09] <sabdfl> does namesys acknowledge the data loss issues with reiser that elmo's so fond of?
[03:09] <daniels> sabdfl: not really, no
[03:09] <daniels> sabdfl: only really with patches
[03:12] <stvn> anyone tried burning the warty rc image with cdrdao? I can't get it working
[03:12] <thully> Have they made the infamous artwork changes in the daily build yet?
[03:13] <Kamion> thully: not yet
[03:13] <TheMuso> stvn: Why not use cdrecord?
[03:13] <mirak_> hi room, good morning
[03:13] <thully> will they be ready for the release?
[03:13] <Kamion> thully: they are a release blocker
[03:13] <Kamion> (at least, AIUI)
[03:13] <thully> meaning the release waits for the artwork change?
[03:13] <stvn> TheMuso: cdrecord complains at being run at a 2.6.8 kernel - it doesn't work
[03:13] <DXT> guys, how can i add categories to the gnome applications menu?
[03:14] <Kamion> thully: it'll happen sometime today I think, I don't think the release should actually have to wait
[03:14] <Treenaks> stvn: dev=/dev/whereeveryourcdromi
[03:14] <Treenaks> s
[03:14] <TheMuso> stvn: Were you trying using the SCSI emulation layer or the ATAPI support?
[03:14] <mirak_> dxt, right click, or there is a munu under "computer-system config"
[03:14] <thully> how do you enable software suspend in the kernel while retaining Ubuntu customizations and wi-fi drivers?
[03:15] <stvn> TheMuso: er, how can I find out?
[03:15] <TheMuso> stvn: What command are you trying to use with cdrecord?
[03:15] <thully> what's the new artwork going to be?  the artwork from the preview release?
[03:15] <sabdfl> thully: no, packages will be available shortly for preview
[03:16] <thully> does it have people, or just generic Ubuntu logos
[03:16] <stvn> TheMuso: cdrecord -scanbus to see where my device is, but it gives a long warning message about unsettled issues on 2.5+ kernels
[03:16] <stvn> TheMuso: it's a debian system, cdrdao until recently had no problem burning isos
[03:17] <rjek> How do you get cdrdao to write ISO images?  That's something I never really worked out.
[03:17] <DXT> anyone else knows how to add categories to the menu? (such as Games, Internet and so on.. I want to add "Development")
[03:18] <Kamion> agenteo: this freshly installed Ubuntu/amd64 system with separate /, /usr, /home, /var has about 125MB used in /.
[03:18] <Zindar> DXT: programming is there if you have anything that matches that
[03:19] <stvn> hm, right using cdrecord seems to work afterall
[03:19] <DXT> Zindar, I didn't get it..
[03:20] <Zindar> DXT: then you have no program that fits that category :)
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: in general.. ctrl-f2 applications:///
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: do whatever you like
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: killall gnome-panel
[03:21] <Zindar> DXT: and you should have it
[03:21] <DXT> ok
[03:21] <DXT> thank you
[03:22] <Kamion> ctrl-f2?
[03:23] <Kamion> alt-f2 maybe?
[03:23] <DXT> thats actually search but nvm
[03:23] <DXT> i installed anjuta and now i see it ;)
[03:23] <DXT> btw, how can i get rid of the mounted drives icons on the desktop?
[03:23] <Zindar> alt-f2
[03:23] <Zindar> unmount them?
[03:23] <Zindar> :)
[03:23] <DXT> smarty pants
[03:23] <DXT> :P
[03:24] <DXT> i dont want to unmount them, i just want to see them on "Computer" and not on my desktop
[03:24] <Kamion> /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible no in gconf-editor
[03:24] <janl> DXT: in gconf, /apps/nautilus/desktop/volmues_visible
[03:24] <Kamion> there might be a less registry-ish way to do it ...
[03:24] <DXT> that's fine thank you :)
[03:25] <Zindar> actually.. since ubuntu works with a "clean" desktop... WHY isn't that default?
[03:25] <Zindar> s/works/starts/
[03:25] <Kamion> Zindar: it was a compromise; if you don't put the icons on the desktop, there's no discoverable way to cleanly unmount those filesystems
[03:26] <Zindar> Kamion: alright...
[03:26] <Kamion> Zindar: we'll probably be doing something better for hoary, although I'm not familiar with the details
[03:26] <Zindar> oki
[03:26] <Ng> it's nice and uncluttered, but it could at least do with the Trash icon
[03:26] <Ng> I couldn't actually find that anywhere ;)
[03:27] <DXT> that reminds me
[03:27] <spiv> I think the plan is to show removable volumes in the notification area, or something like it, on the panel.
[03:27] <DXT> how can i get it to show on the desktop? :X
[03:27] <DXT> the trash icon
[03:27] <Ng> it'll be in the same place as the gconf stuff just now, I expect
[03:27] <Ng>  /apps/nautilus/desktop/ or thereabouts
[03:27] <DXT> on to the registry! :]
[03:29] <DXT> no chance it can be "trash_icon_visible"? :P
[03:29] <Zindar> no.. that sounds wrong... can't be it :)
[03:33] <junme> do you have a torrent?
[03:33] <kent> Why not put mounted and mountable drives in the Computer menu on the panel? Make Disks into a submenu and put the drives there? That would be nice. :)
[03:33] <brosen> I have a 1GHz athlon. Will the k7 kernel give me any noticeable benefits when viewing movies on dvd etc?
[03:34] <TheMuso> brosen: Not as much as ensuring your drive is using DMA mode will.
[03:35] <Kamion> kent: discoverability; people need to know how to unmount their removable devices without being intimately familiar with our menu system
[03:36] <brosen> TheMuso: Thanks, I was trying to think of a reason not to go with the default kernel ;-)
[03:39] <brosen> I should probably have asked, "why should I use the k7 kernel?"
[03:39] <Mithrandir> brosen: it's a bit faster, you might notice it or not, it shouldn't harm in any case.
[03:40] <mrjive> hi pitti
[03:40] <pitti> Hi mrjive
[03:41] <brosen> Mithrandir: Is it selectable on installation? Do I just pass an option? Hm, this must be somewhere on the faq...
[03:41] <Mithrandir> brosen: it should be autodetected, or you can install it using synaptic afterwards.
[03:42] <brosen> Mithrandir: Thanks for the help .-)
[03:42] <Mithrandir> brosen: happy to help :)
[03:43] <Noodles> Arse. Back to the drawing board.
[03:43] <Noodles> Sorry. ww.
[03:44] <Kamion> brosen: the k7 kernel isn't autodetected because it isn't on the CD; unless you're doing a netboot install, you'll have to install it afterwards
[03:45] <mrjive> i noticed, on two machines with nvidia vga cards, that xfree86 uses 800x600 at 24 while it could use 1024x768 at 16 bit. Don' you think the latter would be a better default?
[03:45] <pitti> mrjive: sounds like a matter of preference
[03:46] <pitti> mrjive: can you switch the mode in the Gnome menu?
[03:46] <pitti> mrjive: i. e. did the installation detect the 1024 mode?
[03:46] <brosen> Kamion: Thanks for the heads up.
[03:46] <mrjive> pitti, mo, because of the 24/16 bit
[03:47] <mrjive> pitti, actully if i remember well, it was 640x480
[03:48] <mrjive> pitti, the only resolution mentioned is 640x480 (or 800x600 if i'm wrong now)
[03:48] <pitti> mrjive: hmm, it would be nice if higher resolutions with less colors would be displayed, too
[03:49] <Zindar> I don't think you can change colordepth on the fly in xfree
[03:49] <mrjive> pitti, yes
[03:49] <pitti> Zindar: right, but it should be possible to configure it for next booting
[03:49] <mrjive> pitti, I think only supported resolution with the default depth are displayed
[03:50] <Zindar> pitti: that's not how that works.. that only ... see mrjive's answer
[03:50] <pitti> hmm, okay
[03:51] <bur[n] er> has anyone used "wxMusic" or "GTorrentViewer" ??
[03:52] <abstrato_general> wasn't Ubuntu due today?
[03:52] <abstrato_general> I mean, the official release.
[03:53] <Mithrandir> nope, tomorrow.
[03:53] <abstrato_general> is it on schedule?
[03:53] <Kamion> abstrato_general: so far
[03:53] <abstrato_general> I mean, is it likely that they'll be able to meet the deadline?
[03:53] <Kamion> yes
[03:54] <abstrato_general> okay.
[03:54] <abstrato_general> thanbks.
[04:07] <mirak_-> what is the lightest of lightest window managers???
[04:07] <Ng> evilwm ;)
[04:07] <mirak_-> ng, that is based off of icewm???
[04:07] <Ng> it's based off pure evil ;)
[04:07] <sikkh> twm? :)
[04:07] <mirak_-> ng, lol
[04:07] <Ng> it draws a 1 pixel border around the windows and you use the keyboard to talk to it ;)
[04:08] <mirak_-> ng, hmmmmm
[04:08] <Ng> above that, probably ion I guess
[04:08] <mirak_-> ng, ion scares me
[04:08] <joolz> http://www.red-bean.com/~decklin/aewm/
[04:08] <spiv> mirak_-: ratpoison, ion :)
[04:08] <joolz> http://www.jfc.org.uk/software/lwm.html
[04:09] <joolz> don't know them, but google did :)
[04:09] <spiv> fluxbox is pretty lightweight, I think, and not quite as extreme as ion...
[04:09] <spiv> Oh, and pwm.
[04:09] <mirak_-> thank you all
[04:09] <mirak_-> I have decided........
[04:10] <joolz> mirak_-: let me guess... screen?
[04:10] <joolz> :)
[04:10] <mirak_-> screen???
[04:10] <joolz> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Window_Managers/
[04:10] <della> hi
[04:10] <joolz> there it's listed as a window manager
[04:10] <joolz> why not actually?
[04:10] <della> I upgraded from sarge, everything went more or less fine
[04:10] <Zindar> well.. it manages windows....
[04:10] <Zindar> kinda
[04:10] <della> but now portmap refuses to work
[04:10] <joolz> yep
[04:11] <mirak_-> joolz, thnx
[04:11] <joolz> mirak_-: didn't you know it? it's a must, even if you use another wm
[04:11] <joem> you can find some pretty good guides to using screen as a powerful wm
[04:11] <joolz> http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Window_Managers/
[04:11] <della> i get errors like Oct 19 16:10:06 marvin kernel: nfsd: last server has exited
[04:11] <della> Oct 19 16:10:06 marvin kernel: nfsd: unexporting all filesystems
[04:12] <della> when I try /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[04:12] <aitrus> della: check out /etc/defaults/portmap and make sure it isn't bound to localhost
[04:12] <della> /etc/defaults/portmap doesn't exist
[04:13] <aitrus> and you have portmap isntlaled?
[04:13] <della> yes
[04:13] <aitrus> weird
[04:13] <della> maybe I still have some legacy sarge package
[04:13] <della> that has a version number higher than ubuntu
[04:14] <Ng> slightly off topic, but what does one do to repair a slightly knackered fat partition?
[04:14] <Ng> say, after you unplug a USB drive while rsyncing lots of stuff to it ;(
[04:14] <spiv> Ng: There's a fsck.vfat, but I'd probably backup the entire partition with dd first, just in case.
[04:15] <Ng> hehe
[04:15] <Ng> tbh I was seriously considering vaping it and putting ext3 on so this can't happen quite so easily ;)
[04:15] <della> what does "dpkg -S /etc/defaults/portmap" do to you?
[04:15] <Ng> dpkg: /etc/defaults/portmap not found.
[04:16] <Ng> is that especially surprising?
[04:16] <della> aitrus said that it's installed by portmap
[04:16] <Ng> della: /etc/default/portmap not defaults :)
[04:17] <della> Ng: argh
[04:17] <della> ok, thanks, it listens only on localhost
[04:17] <joolz> i think i know, but just to be sure: is it safe to remove ubuntu-desktop?
[04:17] <della> but I think it's not a good thing, since it breaks existing installations
[04:18] <joolz> della: in which way?
[04:18] <Ng> joolz: should be, afair that's just a metapackage. you can do a "dpkg -L ubuntu-desktop" if you want to see if it has any important files in it (if any)
[04:18] <spiv> joolz: it's only a task, so yes.
[04:18] <lamont> ubuntu-desktop is nothing but a copyright file and a boatload of depends.
[04:18] <Ng> it does mean you won't get new ddesktop packages automatically installed though
[04:18] <della> joolz: in sarge /etc/default/portmap didn't exist
[04:19] <della> so people coming from sarge (and, I guess, debian 3.0)
[04:19] <joolz> della: sorry, that was a different subject :)
[04:19] <joolz> nm
[04:19] <abstrato_general> it's not much of a problem changing kernels in Ubuntu, is it?
[04:19] <lamont> but future upgrades might miss new desktop programs if ubuntu-desktop is removed..
[04:19] <joolz> the problem is that a lot of stuff i don't need depends on ubuntu-desktop
[04:20] <joolz> like wvdial (why on earth is that?)
[04:20] <lamont> nothing depends: ubuntu-desktop
[04:21] <lamont> ubuntu-desktop is a task that depends on everything in the desktop seed
[04:21] <joolz> lamont: sorry, i don't eally understand that
[04:21] <joolz> r
[04:22] <UBMike> joolz, u can remove ubuntu-desktop and leave wvdial I think, but not the other way around.
[04:22] <lamont> joolz: if you apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, then you can remove wvdial (that is to say, if you remove wvdial, it will remove ubuntu-desktop)
[04:23] <joolz> UBMike: i know, but i don't understand why one would create a package that doesn't do anything itself, but only has dependencies pointing to it.
[04:23] <lamont> and ubuntu-desktop is nothing more than a "package" of dependencies to pull in all of the "desktop" stuff
[04:23] <lamont> it has no dependencies pointing to it, rather they point from it.
[04:23] <UBMike> joolz, listen to lamont
[04:24] <joolz> UBMike: sure :)
[04:24] <lamont> and the purpose is so that you can say 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' instead of apt-get install <long and not necessarily constant over time list of packages>'
[04:24] <joolz> lamont: ok, but what's the point?
[04:24] <joolz> lamont: ah! that makes sense
[04:24] <lamont> once it's installed, it can safely be removed.
[04:24] <abstrato_general> lamont: what, you have a terminal with voice recognition? :-)
[04:24] <UBMike> lamont rocks, joolz. be nice to him :)
[04:24] <lamont> however, if the desktop list adds new packages later, you might not get them
[04:25] <joolz> lamont: i'll worry about that then :)
[04:25] <lamont> abstrato_general: nah, just anticipating questions
[04:25] <joolz> i guess it's the same for ubuntu-base?
[04:25] <lamont> joolz: and removing it will free up several kilobytes of disk space.
[04:25] <lamont> yep
[04:25] <joolz> great, thanks
[04:25] <abstrato_general> I wish there was a simple way to have voice recognition in a terminal.
[04:25] <joolz> abstrato_general: shout really loud! :)
[04:25] <lamont> abstrato_general: I talk too much already, frequently to the computer.
[04:26] <lamont> what I really want is 'keyboard focus follows mind;
[04:26] <joolz> what i would like is voice recognition in a user :)
[04:26] <abstrato_general> Well, use focus-follows-mouse. You quickly get used to it.
[04:26] <abstrato_general> I never ever click with my mouse, I just move it around :)
[05:06] <Android16> Hello
[05:06] <Android16> Lots of Ubuntu fans here
[05:07] <Android16> in which file do you store static routes ?
[05:15] <ddaa> I configured postfix with an mail address (ddaa.net) which is a different machine than my workstation (nemesis.xlii.org) so messages sent with mail have a from header which says @ddaa.net. But the consequence is that mail to local users (including mail to root) is routed by ddaa.net instead of being delivered locally.
[05:17] <ddaa> What's the way to have a modified From header for mail sent by users, while without preventing local delivery of mail for local users?
[05:19] <daniels> configure your MUA to set the right From header instead
[05:20] <ddaa> daniels: said mua is arch-submit-merge and as you know it has no such option.
[05:21] <daniels> i don't, unfortunately
[05:21] <daniels> but I suppose I do now
[05:21] <daniels> doesn't it just use mail(1)?
[05:21] <ddaa> Though maybe it could fix it somehow. But I'd prefer a way to alter the default From header used by mail(1)
[05:21] <JStrike> No wvdial in ubuntu. Theres a brainfart if I ever saw one. Has this been fixed in newer releases? Mine is a bit old
[05:22] <Zomb> JStrike: what is wrong with chat? (used by default)
[05:23] <daniels> JStrike: we use pppd/pppconfig per default; wvdial is available through universe.
[05:23] <JStrike> Zomb: The only way I saw tp connect was through the network interface app, which tells you it needs wvdial
[05:24] <JStrike> daniels : Is there a different dialer I didn't see?
[05:24] <daniels> JStrike: run 'sudo pppconfig'
[05:25] <JStrike> mmm....I tried sudo /sbin/ifup ppp0
[05:25] <JStrike> daniels : Ubuntu really should get their gui apps to use the correct utility
[05:27] <Android16> my Ubuntu has wvdial
[05:27] <Android16> 4.10
[05:27] <JStrike> And the IO errors when copying from CD. Either in Nautilus or using cp. Are these errors fixed?
[05:27] <JStrike> Android16 : I have been downloading my Ubuntu for the last week or two, so mine is a bit old
[05:28] <JStrike> But I cant get online to update it :-)
[05:28] <daniels> JStrike: yes, we're going to fix that for our next release.  bear in mind this is the first release we've ever done.
[05:28] <plasmo> ;)
[05:28] <daniels> JStrike: and IO errors are a result of having a dodgy CD, basically.  not Ubuntu'fs fault.
[05:28] <Android16> I like it
[05:28] <JStrike> daniels : Tried with 3 cd's
[05:28] <mirak_-> daniels=dev?
[05:28] <Android16> never seen any Linux dist this nice
[05:28] <daniels> mirak_-: yeah
[05:29] <mirak_-> kk
[05:29] <plasmo> yep ubuntu is nice :)
[05:29] <Android16> been runign it 4 a week now , instead of Windows XP
[05:29] <daniels> JStrike: possibly the CD drive.  IO error means 'crap, I couldn't read from this part of the CD, the drive isn't letting me'
[05:29] <stvn> w00t got ubuntu installed :)
[05:29] <mirak_-> daniels, thank you ....your team saves my linux life :)_
[05:29] <plasmo> lol
[05:29] <JStrike> daniels : It changes every time I try. It will read 30mb, then next time 120mb, etc
[05:30] <daniels> mirak_-: no worries :)
[05:30] <daniels> JStrike: possibly a bad drive, then.
[05:30] <Android16> even got my Palm to sync with it the other day
[05:30] <Android16> took my like 3 minutes to install a network printer
[05:31] <JStrike> But btw, other than the wvdial thing, really amazing distro.  Let me try this with pppconfig. Cheers
[05:33] <ddaa> okay, another
[05:33] <daniels> Keybuk: he's probably asleep
[05:34] <daniels> Keybuk: but Ubuntu is most certainly *not* powered by malibu and Coke
[05:34] <ddaa> What's the way to set environment variables for all the login methods?
[05:34] <Keybuk> daniels: "Cooper's Inside" ?
[05:34] <daniels> Keybuk: ditch the apostrophe and you're there :)
[05:34] <stvn> hm, why does keeping a key pressed not work? eg. arrow-keys to scroll down?
[05:34] <Keybuk> stvn: xset r on
[05:35] <Keybuk> ddaa: there isn't one at the moment
[05:37] <ddaa> Keybuk: so the way is to set a .xsession for graphical logins and a .bash_profile
[05:37] <ddaa> for shell logins?
[05:37] <stvn> aw, ubuntu didn't properly recognise my monitor :(
[05:37] <Keybuk> ddaa: pretty much
[05:37] <Android16> what about /etc/profile ?
[05:37] <ddaa> Keybuk: that's already a planned hoary feature or should I file it?
[05:38] <Keybuk> ddaa: what environment variables do your graphical things need?
[05:39] <ddaa> I'd love to PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:39] <ddaa> though maybe I won't need reply-to after reading the mailx manual
[05:41] <Kamion> ddaa: uncomment the PATH bit in .bashrc, uncomment the bit in .bash_profile that sources .bashrc
[05:41] <Kamion> ddaa: that should be sufficient
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> hello
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> i just downloaded ubuntu
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> and i'm stuck
[05:41] <gerardvschipx> a friend told me to come and look here
[05:41] <ddaa> Kamion: i want it to be set at the graphical login, not in every shell that is started
[05:41] <Android16> got the newest apache web server and mysql running on ubuntu
[05:42] <Kamion> ddaa: then get .xsession to source .bashrc too
[05:42] <gerardvschipx> Can Anyone help?
[05:42] <Kamion> ddaa: (with suitable guards in .bashrc for interactivity etc.)
[05:42] <Ng> gerardvschipx: maybe, what's the problem?
[05:42] <mirak_-> gerardvschipx, what is the problem???
[05:42] <gerardvschipx> I get failed to install yaboot
[05:42] <ddaa> Kamion: yeah... I used to have some stuff in .bash_profire and .xse
[05:42] <mirak_-> gerardvschipx, beyond me,.............im out
[05:42] <gerardvschipx> I'm installing on an external pocket drive connected to my Powerbook
[05:43] <Keybuk> ddaa: though why does the graphical stuff need that?  *confused*
[05:43] <gerardvschipx> Lol, thanks mirak
[05:43] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: yaboot doesn't know how to find the openfirmware path to firewire drives at the moment, I'm afraid
[05:43] <gerardvschipx> ah
[05:43] <ddaa> Keybuk: for example, for mini-commander, application launcher, emacs, and probably other.
[05:43] <gerardvschipx> thank you
[05:43] <mirak_-> gerardvschipx, that is a bummer
[05:43] <Keybuk> ddaa: ah, the PATH, duh; missed that, sorry :p
[05:43] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: there's a bug open about it, I need to find time to look at it
[05:44] <gerardvschipx> that explains why it thinks its a scsi drive
[05:44] <gerardvschipx> ok, now i know what to do
[05:44] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: I think it is, on some levels ...
[05:44] <mirak_-> kamion=dev as well?
[05:44] <gerardvschipx> copy my interl drive to external and stick ubuntu on my internal drive!
[05:44] <Kamion> mirak_-: yes
[05:44] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: that's certainly another option :-)
[05:44] <mirak_-> hmm.......
[05:46] <Ng> cool
[05:47] <Ng> a gnome-look-a-like firefox theme
[05:47] <Ng> http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/
[05:47] <mirak_-> ng, ooooh I like it
[05:47] <Ng> since epiphany is broken six ways from sunday, firefox with that theme is the nearest alternative ;)
[05:48] <mirak_-> there is a link to thunderbirs icons on that page as well
[05:50] <Ng> mirak_-: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=62749
[05:51] <mirak_-> yeah...thats what I am talking about
[05:51] <superted_> didn't work with my ubuntu firefox
[05:51] <mirak_-> there is a link to that on the first page you mentioned
[05:52] <Ng> superted_: doh. I'm on a fedora box at work right now and it worked.
[05:52] <Ng> maybe the one in ubuntu is older
[05:52] <stvn> hm, the mouse appears to be slow, if I click and drag it starts dragging a few pixels from the original position, anooying for resizing windows
[05:52] <superted_> ubuntu has got 9.3
[05:52] <superted_> and the theme's says they require firefox 0.10
[05:52] <mirak_-> superted, ubuntu used .9 , that themes requires 1.0 prl
[05:52] <superted_> whatevery they mean by that
[05:53] <superted_> ok
[05:53] <mirak_-> there you go
[05:53] <mirak_-> 1.0 is a prieview.....it isnt final
[05:53] <mirak_-> I believe the ubuntu devs found it too buggy, and dis-cluded it (hehe, is that a word?)
[05:54] <Keybuk> yeah, PR1 (0.10) was buggy as hell so we fell back to 0.9.3
[05:55] <Ng> fair enough
[05:55] <Ng> well, ignore everything I said in the last 20 mintues ;)
[05:55] <mirak_-> keybuk, if I install pr1, can/will it over write the 9.3 version? and will my app links still work...err...icons
[05:55] <mirak_-> keybuk, as apossed to installing it in /home
[05:56] <Android16> l8ter
[05:56] <Keybuk> mirak_-: only if you build a package for it?
[05:56] <mirak_-> keyuk, is that hard......i cant just DL the installer from mozilla, and sent it to the right DIR?
[05:56] <mirak_-> <----noob
[05:57] <mirak_-> but learning
[05:57] <merriam> mirak_-: yes, you can install another version of mozilla, the mozilla.org way
[05:57] <superted_> why will epi be broken in six ways from sunday?
[05:58] <Keybuk> mirak_-: no, when you do an update if there any bug fixes it'll be overwritten again
[05:58] <Keybuk> you'd have to install it elsewhere and have both the 0.9.3 from Ubuntu installed and the installation you do
[05:59] <CraHan> hi, something I discovered just the other day
[05:59] <mirak_-> keybuk, ok...fair enough, if ubuntu decides that pr1 is ready, or a new version for that matter, and puts it in the repository...will it then overwrite??
[06:00] <mirak_-> keybuk, if I apt-get it that is?
[06:00] <CraHan> in gnome, when inserting a cd it doesn't get automounted and shown on the desktop, but when I install debians gnome-volume-manager deb instead of ubuntus, it works fine
[06:00] <CraHan> is gnome-volume-manager broken in ubuntu?  Cause I doublechecked and only the debian version works here
[06:01] <pitti> CraHan: do you use an USB CD-ROM?
[06:01] <Keybuk> mirak_-: yes, but we've frozen warty.  PR1 will not reach it
[06:01] <CraHan> pitti: no the builtin cdrom
[06:01] <pitti> CraHan: so the CD-ROM is not in /etc/fstab?
[06:01] <CraHan> also, lshal shows all the devices recognized (even a usb stick) but gnome-volume-manager doesn't mount any of them
[06:02] <CraHan> pitti: yes it is
[06:02] <mirak_-> keybuk, I understand that, I am just trying to understand how things work, thank you for your time
[06:02] <pitti> CraHan: pmount /dev/whatever fails, I guess
[06:02] <stvn> eh? ubuntu has no support for mp3?
[06:02] <CraHan> pitti: when I click on the cdrom icon in nautilus; it'll mount it
[06:02] <CraHan> it just doesn't mount it on inserting a cdrom
[06:02] <pitti> CraHan: oh, even with the Ubuntu g-v-m package?
[06:02] <CraHan> pitti: yes
[06:02] <pitti> CraHan: ah, I know what could be wrong
[06:02] <CraHan> g-v-m from ubuntu doesn't work at all
[06:03] <CraHan> g-v-m from debian unstable at least automounts cdroms
[06:03] <CraHan> but no usb stick though
[06:03] <pitti> CraHan: can you please look in device manager (or lshal) whether media_check_enabled is true for the CD-ROM?
[06:03] <CraHan> and I have fstab-sync linked in /etc/hal/device.d
[06:03] <Despair> stvn: install libmad0
[06:03] <CraHan> ok lemme check
[06:04] <pitti> CraHan: we have a similar bug https://bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2265
[06:04] <CraHan> ah
[06:04] <CraHan> storage.media_check_enabled is set to 1 (0x1)
[06:05] <CraHan> of course I have the g-v-m from debian installed now
[06:05] <CraHan> would that make a difference? does g-v-m change hal related settings?
[06:05] <sjoerd> CraHan: nope
[06:06] <stvn> Despair: it is installed, rhythmbox is the one complaining
[06:06] <sjoerd> CraHan: on your debian system did you call the fstab-sync symlink, fstab-sync or fstab-sync.hal?
[06:06] <Despair> stvn: install gstreamer0.8-mad, maybe?
[06:06] <CraHan> with the .hal extension
[06:06] <sjoerd> CraHan: and did items appear in your fstab ?
[06:07] <sjoerd> when plugging in something
[06:07] <pitti> CraHan: plese use the Ubuntu version of g-v-m and check again
[06:07] <CraHan> nope
[06:07] <pitti> CraHan: we have a meeting now, can you please return to me in about an hour?
[06:07] <CraHan> at least not the usb cardreader and the flashcard
[06:07] <CraHan> yeha sure I'll be here
[06:07] <CraHan> just gimme a headsup when you're back
[06:07] <CraHan> I'll install the ubuntu g-v-m
[06:08] <CraHan> so I can trace this
[06:08] <mirak_> what is g-v-m???
[06:08] <CraHan> gnome-volume-manager
[06:08] <sjoerd> CraHan: if your back on your debian system, check if hal-device-manager shows your device correctly..
[06:09] <CraHan> sjoerd: it's ubuntu though:)
[06:09] <CraHan> I just took the package from debian unstable and installed it on ubuntu
[06:09] <mirak_> crahan,.........thnx
[06:09] <CraHan> mirak_: np
[06:09] <sjoerd> CraHan: oh you did fstab-sync on ubuntu ?
[06:10] <CraHan> yeah I made the link on ubuntu
[06:10] <sjoerd> ok :)
[06:10] <PenguinBoy> hey guys!
[06:10] <CraHan> /etc/hal/device.d/fstab-sync.hal -> /usr/sbin/fstab-sync
[06:10] <stvn> Despair: ah, gstreamer-mad is universe, found it andit works
[06:10] <sjoerd> CraHan: don't :)
[06:10] <CraHan> ah
[06:10] <CraHan> ok
[06:10] <mirak_> hey despiar,
[06:10] <CraHan> ok link removed
[06:11] <mirak_> despair, ET worked.......ok.......bit ore ram and ill be good to go
[06:11] <CraHan> only have the 40-hal-hotplug in there now and the fstab-update.hal file
[06:11] <Despair> mirak_: good
[06:12] <JStrike> Ok. Managed to get connected via pppconfig and pon
[06:13] <JStrike> daniels : I am trying from my dvd drive, and I get the same I/O errors when trying to copy that I had with my cd-rw drive
[06:13] <mirak_> jstrike, maybe the disk is dirty
[06:14] <JStrike> I have tried multiple disks
[06:14] <mirak_> jstrike, 0o0....sorry then
[06:14] <mirak_> jstrike, did you burn them all yourself????
[06:15] <stvn> huh, the clock is running at a wrong speed, at least the difference between this computer and other's is increasing
[06:15] <JStrike> mirak_ : Yes.
[06:15] <mirak_> jstrike, maybe try burning at a slower speed
[06:15] <mirak_> jstrike, do like a 4x or a 8x burn
[06:15] <JStrike> mirak_ : Too late. That had all the stuff from when I formatted my Suse installation
[06:15] <JStrike> mirak_ : Suse could see it fine btw
[06:16] <mirak_> jstrike, but seeing a disk, and being able to read every bit of data are different animals
[06:17] <JStrike> mirak_ : It could read it
[06:17] <mirak_> jstrike, ooo, it installed from that disk before?
[06:18] <JStrike> It could read the the tar.bz2 file on it before (On suse )
[06:18] <s7s> How can i get 'Rythmbox 0.8.5' to play my mp3-files?
[06:19] <mirak_> jstrike, idk then, all I can think of to do is burn at a slower speed, or grab a new .iso, maybe something went bad on the DL
[06:19] <mirak_> jstrike, idk then, the slower speed burn usually works for me
[06:19] <stvn> s7s: install gstreamer-mad
[06:20] <s7s> #stvn Ok thanks :)
[06:21] <JStrike> mirak_ : It is not the ubuntu cd that wont read. I installed ubuntu fine.  It took me a couple of weeks to download it, so I assume there have been many packages updated
[06:23] <JStrike> But I would like to find out if there is a specific package  that fixes this
[06:24] <mirak_> jstrike, sudo apt-get update ....then.....sudo apt-get upgrade.......see if that fixes it
[06:24] <Despair> mirak_: slow connect, he doesn't want to upgrade everything right now if he can avoid it.
[06:24] <guptan> gdm login screen re-draws and jitters while moving mouse, is this a bug with ubuntu
[06:24] <mirak_> despair, ohh.............sorry
[06:25] <mirak_> you too then jstrike,
[06:25] <JStrike> That is a tad too expensive to do right now, but I am in quite a situation, since one of the cd's has all my notes for my exam tommorrow
[06:25] <JStrike> np
[06:25] <mirak_> jstrike, I see...........hmm
[06:26] <bur[n] er> anyone know why rhythmbox would work with kde, but not gnome... with gnome it stops playing the song and starts skipping the same part over and over and over forever
[06:26] <ggi> bur[n] er: You don't have gstreamer set to use aRts output, do you?
[06:27] <JStrike> On another note, is there a way to get esd to use alsa and not oss emulation. Oss emulation is very crackly on my card for some reason
[06:27] <ggi> JStrike: I get the same thing with my card. What kind is yours?
[06:27] <C2H5OH> one question, is there any restrictions on custom kernel configuration?
[06:27] <jimi> ggi : where is located sound conf in gnome? for gstreamer for ex
[06:28] <ggi> jimi: They didn't put it in the menu, but you can access it by running 'gstreamer-properties'.
[06:28] <jimi> oh ok, thanx
[06:29] <JStrike> ggi : cs4281
[06:29] <ggi> JStrike: SiS 7012 here. Curious.
[06:32] <JStrike> hrm....anyone know how to use dd?
[06:33] <moses> JStrike: what do you want to know?
[06:34] <stvn> anyone has an idea why my computer clock is too slow in ubuntu, whereas it works in debian
[06:34] <JStrike> Maybe dd will let me retrieve my contents on my cds
[06:34] <JStrike> moses : Could dd help?
[06:34] <kagou> hi
[06:34] <moses> JStrike: you can make an iso from you cd with dd
[06:34] <Despair> stvn: power saving enabled in ubuntu, so it's getting dropped in clock. does running a cpu-intensive app make it pop back up to normal?
[06:35] <ggi> stvn: How slow is it?
[06:35] <stvn> Despair: i have a amd k6, without powersafe (iirc)
[06:35] <moses> JStrike: dd if=/dev/cdroms/cdrom0 of=/path/to/file.iso
[06:36] <moses> I am not sure about the path, just try
[06:36] <stvn> ggi: i get a diff of 35 secs in about 15
[06:37] <Despair> stvn: oh, time, not cpu freq. hm. probably a kernel bug. :/
[06:37] <lucas_> hi
[06:37] <ggi> stvn: Well, if Despair's thing doesn't work, you could try disabling ntp.
[06:37] <Despair> stvn: I've seen mentions of that on lkml recently
[06:38] <lucas_> for some reason, my installation fails and I only have a basic system (I was using an old preview release CD, so it's not relevant). Is there way to install automatically all software that should have been installed by the installer ?
[06:38] <tseng> hm, do we have anything that can play mpg4?
[06:38] <moses> stvn: I had the same problem, but I do not know where the problem was, I changed my kernel config
[06:38] <JStrike> moses : Thanks. Trying that now
[06:38] <tseng> totem-xine isnt.
[06:38] <stvn> ggi, hm i doubt ntp is the problem
[06:38] <moses> stvn: play a bit with the timer options in the kernel
[06:40] <Tzalidar> gah now i'm going crazy, i have 2 soundcards and i want to set my second soundcard as default
[06:40] <ggi> stvn: It may be worth a try. I've seen similar problems blamed on ntp.
[06:40] <Tzalidar> i've been playing around with .asoundrc for a while
[06:40] <stvn> moses: hm, kernel compiling on this machine takes ages :(
[06:41] <mirak_> despair, do you think the ppl with 2 sound cards can be helped my kinda the same thing we did yesterday?????
[06:42] <Tzalidar> the funny thing is, that on my previous ubuntu install i got it working
[06:42] <Tzalidar> and it doesn't work adding the other sound card to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:42] <s7s> stvn Im a little confused. Found this page, but dunno what i need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/libs/gstreamer-mad
[06:43] <mirak_> s7s, that gstramer-mad is in the repository
[06:43] <stvn> s7s: I added the universe to synaptic, selected gstreamer-0.8-mad and gstreamer-mad restarted rhythmbox and I got mp3s playing
[06:44] <mirak_> s7s, err...universe I mean.....search synatic for it
[06:44] <mirak_> wow typing sucks
[06:44] <mirak_> synaptic
[06:44] <s7s> ok
[06:45] <mesut> what is "daily cd images"  ??
[06:45] <maximaus> tseng: grab some codecs from the mplayer site, install them with the Totem preferences gui, or just throw them in ~/.gnome2/totem-addons directory.
[06:45] <stvn> ggi: seems like you were right, I think my clock is back to normal
[06:45] <Despair> mirak_: different solution. best fix is to set the options for the two sound devices to specify which one is the first sound card
[06:46] <Despair> so if you have an emu10k1 and an intel8x0, you should have `options snd-emu10k1 index=0` and `options snd-intel8x0 index=1` in a file in /etc/modprobe.d, to have your sblive/audigy be the first soundcard.
[06:47] <mirak_> despair, kk.....just saw a lot o ppl with the same question...and no fix, I assumed it could be done doing soemthing similar......sorry
[06:47] <Despair> (also will need to do `update-modules` and then remove & reload the sound modules)
[06:51] <mirak_> is dist-upgrade the same as synaptic smart upgrade???
[06:52] <ggi> mirak_: Yes.
[06:53] <mirak_> ggi, thnx :)
[06:55] <Tzalidar> Despair, ill try that
[06:55] <bronson> Ubuntu really is excellent.  Most things work right out of the box.
[06:56] <newbie> I've lost my ubuntu
[06:56] <bronson> I'm converting my Gentoo and Debian boxes as soon as I can.
[06:56] <stvn> it's a pity mp3 doesn't work out of the box
[06:57] <bronson> stvn: but it's real easy to get it working.
[06:57] <newbie> with message kernel panic : VFS : can not mount root fs at unknown-block (0,0)
[06:57] <newbie> I still can't get it working
[06:57] <stvn> bronson: not really, you need to add the universe and add gstreamer-0.8-mad, wouldn't have known that
[06:57] <bronson> newbie: this is at boot time?  Are you using lilo or grub?
[06:58] <bronson> stvn: it's on the wiki.  True, you have to know to CHECK the wiki...  :)
[06:58] <Tzalidar> despair; do i need to reboot to make the changes?
[06:58] <stvn> bronson: heh
[06:58] <Tzalidar> i put the lines in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[06:58] <newbie> bronson : GRUB
[06:59] <bronson> newbie: that's good at least.
[06:59] <Despair> Tzalidar: or unload the sound drivers and reload. gnome-settings-daemon tends to hang onto sound, so it may be easier for you to just reboot.
[06:59] <Tzalidar> okay ;)
[06:59] <Tzalidar> brb
[06:59] <bronson> So, what were you doing?  It seems like you somehow fried your MBR or boot partition.
[07:00] <newbie> I have SuSE and ubuntu working
[07:01] <newbie> first, it was SuSE my default boot
[07:01] <newbie> I can choose ubuntu to boot and works perfectly
[07:01] <newbie> than, I change ubuntu as my default boot
[07:02] <newbie> Now I can only boot to SuSE, and ubuntu still lost, even after I changed back to SuSE as default boot
[07:03] <bronson> Weird.
[07:03] <newbie> I can read ubuntu partition from SuSE
[07:03] <bronson> First check to make sure that the Ubuntu vmlinuz and initrd.img are OK and correctly referenced in menu.lst.
[07:04] <bronson> Once you've ensured that that's all ok, try reinstalling the MBR.
[07:04] <bronson> If that fails, then you're in for some real digging.
[07:04] <Tzalidar> This is too sweeet!!! :) It works perfectly now!!! :)
[07:04] <newbie> title Ubuntu Linux
[07:04] <newbie>     root (hd0,1)
[07:04] <newbie>     kernel /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386
[07:04] <newbie>     savedefault
[07:04] <newbie>     boot
[07:05] <mirak_> lol...........good
[07:05] <Tzalidar> hmm another issue that i have is that i need to use 'xrandr -r 100' everytime i login to get 100hz
[07:05] <newbie> that's my menu.lst for ubuntu
[07:05] <Tzalidar> previosly i added that line to xinitrc and to gdm rc
[07:05] <Tzalidar> but none of it helped
[07:05] <Tzalidar> and i tried using the gui to set refresh rate
[07:05] <Tzalidar> and ran it as sudo
[07:06] <Tzalidar> but that didn't do the trick either :)
[07:06] <bipolar> I'm concidering switching from Debian Unstable w/ experimental gnome packages to Ubuntu. Warty has all the latest gnome packages, right?
[07:06] <s7s> I have found this Gstreamer:http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/56360/GStreamer.html. I am new at this, so i dont now how to install. The readme is a too cryptic.
[07:07] <mirak_> s7s, did you already get the version from universe?
[07:08] <s7s> mirak_ Sorry, what is Univers
[07:08] <mirak_> s7s, open synaptic
[07:09] <s7s> From where?
[07:09] <s7s> oh
[07:09] <mirak_> s7s, kk
[07:09] <PenguinBoy> computer.....system configuration...synaptic
[07:09] <s7s> mirak_ Found it :)
[07:09] <mirak_> s7s, what are the menu choices, I am on a xp box.......cant remember off hand
[07:10] <mirak_> penguinboy, just tell s7s how to enable universe in synaptic plz......i cant recall from memory..id have to be looking at it
[07:11] <s7s> mirak_ Theres alot of options
[07:11] <s7s> :)
[07:11] <mirak_> s7s, I mean like main choices
[07:11] <mirak_> s7s, I.e file...edit
[07:11] <PenguinBoy> cklick on settingsd
[07:11] <mirak_> penquinboy, thnx
[07:12] <PenguinBoy> repositories
[07:12] <mirak_> s7s, listen to penquinboy
[07:12] <s7s> ok
[07:12] <PenguinBoy> check in front of deb-src http://archiveubuntu.com/ubuntu
[07:12] <PenguinBoy> click on OK
[07:13] <mirak_> s7s, checking them all isnt harming anything, the other are just for secutrity , I think
[07:13] <PenguinBoy> yes
[07:13] <PenguinBoy> I would check all
[07:14] <mirak_> penquinboy, thnx.....im still newb.....i tried
[07:14] <PenguinBoy> no prob my friend
[07:14] <PenguinBoy> that is what we lurk in here for
[07:14] <mirak_> lol
[07:14] <PenguinBoy> lol
[07:14] <mirak_> s7s, now grab "gstreamer-0.8-mad" from synaptic
[07:15] <s7s> PenguinBoy, 'repositories' - what the **** is that
[07:15] <PenguinBoy> places that files are ketp
[07:15] <PenguinBoy> kept
[07:15] <mirak_> s7s, you are tryin to play mp3's.right???
[07:15] <s7s> yes
[07:16] <mirak_> s7s,  grab "gstreamer-0.8-mad" from synaptic, that'd do it
[07:16] <mirak_> s7s, might as well check all updates while ou are at it
[07:17] <mirak_> s7s, use the smart upgrade
[07:19] <bronson> First power outage of the year!
[07:19] <Ng> is a synaptic "smart" upgrade a dist-upgrade?
[07:19] <sri_> has anybody had problems with accessing computers with ssh using nautilus?
[07:19] <mirak_> ng, yes
[07:19] <sri_> gnomevfs-ls sftp://somehost/ gives me an internal error
[07:20] <JStrik1> Mitario : Actually wanting to speak to to you about your package upgrade proposal. BTW, do use a different nick in #g-h? I have never seen you before
[07:20] <Ng> sri_: try running: sftp somehost
[07:20] <sri_> Ng: that works fine.
[07:20] <s7s> mirak_ Alright, i will try to mess a little with this. Thank you :)
[07:20] <Ng> see if you can actually connect. I've had key problems not show up nicely before
[07:20] <Ng> sri_: ah, well, pass then :(
[07:20] <mirak_> s7s, did it work??
[07:20] <sri_> Ng: however, I'm not using debian ssh stuff, but f-secure's ssh
[07:20] <Mitario> JStrik1, no, #g-h is also Mitario :)
[07:20] <sri_> our company has mandated that instead of openssh.
[07:20] <Mitario> just not there now
[07:20] <sri_> but it was actually working before then I did a dist-ugprade and it stopped working
[07:20] <mirak_> s7s, np, its how I learn too, thank penguinboy as well :)
[07:21] <Kamion> sri_: some of those ssh frontends rely on the exact output from ssh -v
[07:21] <JStrik1> Mitario : Ah. I see you now :-)
[07:21] <Ng> sri_: weak :(
[07:21] <Kamion> I don't know if gnome-vfs is one of those; I certainly remember seeing that behaviour from one of GNOME or KDE
[07:21] <sri_> Kamion: so something changed, because I had no problems earlier
[07:21] <Kamion> it's wrong, but hard to fix
[07:21] <teroz> hi there i have a dhcpd question
[07:21] <s7s> Il report back!
[07:21] <Kamion> sri_: ssh -v is subject to change by definition
[07:21] <sri_> Kamion: I've been doing dist-upgrades on my laptop at home and that works fine.
[07:22] <sri_> Kamion: yeah.
[07:22] <sri_> Kamion: so whatever it is, broke f-secure.
[07:22] <sri_> I suppose I could talk to Alex about gnome-vfs ssh method.
[07:22] <Mitario> JStrik1, well, say wat you wan to say :)
[07:22] <sri_> not sure when it broke though :/
[07:22] <Kamion> sri_: you'll need to file a bug; strace -f output may be useful
[07:22] <teroz> hi there everbody
[07:22] <sri_> Kamion: ok, I can do that.
[07:22] <PenguinBoy> hey teroz
[07:23] <teroz> hi penguinBoy
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: except, I'e requested a change of my bugzilla acct password and I still haven't received word.
[07:23] <JStrik1> Mitario : Ok. I have been wanting to create a new frontend for package upgrades. Synaptic is hideous and red-carpet is too enterprise specific. Something is needed. Yours is somewhat better
[07:23] <Kamion> sri_: I suspect rather few people test with f-secure
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: apparently it never gave me a password when it created my account..
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: so I'm kinda stuck.
[07:23] <Kamion> sri_: mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>some people's e-mail systems apparently reject mail from bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[07:23] <teroz> am stuck big time with dhcpd
[07:23] <sri_> Kamion: oh, I've mailed him before, and he never responded.
[07:23] <Mitario> JStrik1, i'm just finishing a new draft of my proposal, i'll put it in my weblog ASAP
[07:23] <Kamion> (because b.u.c doesn't accept mail, so callouts break ...)
[07:24] <sri_> Kamion: nod
[07:24] <Kamion> sri_: ping again, he's definitely the right contact
[07:24] <Ng> teroz: ask the question :)
[07:24] <sri_> Kamion: okay will do.
[07:24] <Mitario> JStrik1, every idea is welcome of course
[07:24] <JStrik1> Mitario : But I do not see why a user would ever need to know about a system library. Whether to install it or upgrade it, he should never have to know what the hell libgnomeui is etc
[07:24] <teroz> i have my dhcpd upand running but it will not serve any requests
[07:25] <teroz> even though am sure when i run it debug mode that the client is
[07:25] <teroz> sending the correct query
[07:25] <Ng> teroz: do you see any DHCP stuff in /var/log/messages?
[07:25] <JStrik1> Mitario : Any chance you are creating it with Mono? If so, I will happily help out
[07:26] <teroz> nope very quiet at that end
[07:26] <Kamion> JStrik1: that said, it's easy to underestimate how much people want to play with their systems and know how they work.
[07:26] <JStrik1> hmm...wonder why my nick is funny
[07:27] <Ng> teroz: got a firewall running maybe?
[07:27] <JStrik1> Kamion : Sure, then they can use synaptic
[07:27] <jono> anyone know how I can create a link on my desktop that will open a window with ssh://me@myserver.org:/home/me ?
[07:27] <JStrik1> Kamion : The theory is the same as gconf
[07:27] <teroz> not too sure how would i check that
[07:27] <JStrik1> It is there to play around with if they need to
[07:27] <Ng> jono: Computer menu -> Disks, then File->Connect to server
[07:27] <Mitario> JStrik1, i'm creating my mockups with ruby, i have not yet decided which language i'm going to use for the real stuff
[07:28] <jono> Ng, but that wont create an icon on my desktop with that location in it will it?
[07:28] <Ng> jono: it did here :)
[07:28] <jono> Ng, oh, wow :)
[07:29] <JStrik1> Mitario : They should only ever be presented with Application Names. Not sure if Linspire is similar, but it does sound like they do hide the cruft away
[07:29] <Ng> jono: they should also show up in the Network window available from the Computer menu, but that's not really important ;)
[07:30] <Mitario> JStrik1, ah
[07:30] <JStrik1> Although to make it truly good, it would require a restructuring of the apt repo's
[07:30] <teroz> :(
[07:31] <jono> :)
[07:31] <Kamion> JStrik1: I don't believe that; you can add more metadata on top without restructuring it
[07:32] <Ng> teroz: sorry, I missed your last response.... "sudo /sbin/iptables -vL" will show you your firewall
[07:32] <teroz> okay thanx - let me just check that Ng
[07:33] <Mitario> Well, I think the 'Short Description' header in a deb is sufficiant
[07:33] <JStrik1> Kamion : You think so. Ideally you want something similar to a html page so that people can see a small screenshot as well as a description of what they are going to install
[07:34] <teroz> no there doesn't seem to be any rules setup
[07:35] <Kamion> that's an interesting description of "ideally"
[07:35] <Tzalidar> is there a good automount usb tutorial
[07:35] <JStrik1> But there still needs to be a way to filter out all libraries, not sure if there is a structure in place for that. (New to debian. But apt-rpms suffered)
[07:35] <Ng> teroz: hmm.
[07:35] <JStrik1> Kamion : That is the point
[07:35] <Tzalidar> when my friend plugs in his usb, nautilus automatically opens it and he can begin using it, with automount magic and all ;) and all that in a unconfigurated ubuntu system
[07:35] <JStrik1> A user shouldn't have to be faced with that
[07:36] <Kamion> JStrik1: uh, man-db is an end-user application if anything else
[07:36] <Kamion> s/else/is/
[07:36] <Ng> teroz: ideally the next diagnostic would be to grab network traffic and see what is happening. That's a little complex for talking through on IRC though ;)
[07:36] <Kamion> regardless of how much of an anti-terminal bias you have
[07:36] <JStrik1> It doesn'y come much bigger than my anti-terminal bias
[07:36] <Kamion> I'm sure :)
[07:36] <teroz> okay will give it a try - thanx will let u know if i can't proceed
[07:37] <__daniel> could someone doublecheck if i'm the only one with a stupid epiphany?
[07:37] <teroz> thANX Ng
[07:37] <Ng> teroz: take a look at ethereal
[07:37] <Mitario> JStrik1, but why woudn't you want to list libraries as an update?
[07:37] <JStrik1> Kamion : I dont see it as an app that people would install willingly
[07:37] <__daniel> open 3 webpages in different tabs and then try to open page 3 with alt-3
[07:37] <Ng> teroz: and good luck :)
[07:37] <Kamion> JStrik1: as the man-db maintainer, I respectfully disagree.
[07:37] <Kamion> (from experience)
[07:37] <Mitario> JStrik1, I want to see the updates of all packages actually
[07:38] <tix> __daniel: that works fine for me
[07:38] <__daniel> alt-{1,2,4} works well, alt-3 doesnt
[07:38] <__daniel> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[07:38] <teroz> bye
[07:38] <__daniel> maybe i have a strange shortcut somewhere
[07:38] <Ng> cya teroz
[07:38] <__daniel> thanks tix
[07:38] <Kamion> JStrik1: the point is, people's opinions on what is interesting vary wildly, and pushing all of them off to synaptic is going to limit the appeal of an upgrade notifier significantly
[07:39] <JStrik1> Mitario : Why should someone be made aware that they have libgnomeui installed? Abiword ? Yes. libgnomeui? No
[07:39] <Mitario> JStrik1, and why not, as a developer, I would be really pleased to know that for example libgnomeui is updated
[07:39] <theantix> __daniel: actually I do get tabs number misbehaving on occasion, with the numbers being the order of creation not the order on the screen
[07:40] <Kamion> JStrik1: due respect, but it's not just end users who want easy upgrades
[07:40] <JStrik1> Kamion : Fair enough. But I am not talking specifically about an update notifier
[07:40] <__daniel> hmmmm, alt-3 isnt taken (from what i see in the keyboard config thingie)
[07:40] <Kamion> it's often developers too
[07:40] <JStrik1> Mitario : But are developers the Gnome target audience? (Well, kinda, but you know what I mean)
[07:41] <__daniel> theantix, that's strange: epiphany's tabs always worked nice for me since the first official .deb on
[07:41] <Mitario> JStrik1, ok, say, my father, is a windows user, what is the harm that he know that libgnomeui is installed?
[07:41] <Ng> Mitario: he might not
[07:42] <Ng> err
[07:42] <Ng> there is more to that sentence ;)
[07:42] <Mitario> if he doesn't want to know, he'll just think 'oh, something my computer needs', i'll update it
[07:42] <Ng> Mitario: he might not be so happy with a list of hundreds of lib packages
[07:42] <JStrik1> It is very overwhelming. I have never gotten used to knowing what is on my computer
[07:42] <Mitario> Ng, and what does he se when he starts synaptic?
[07:42] <Mitario> see*
[07:42] <Ng> Mitario: an insanely long list ;)
[07:42] <Mitario> indeed ;)
[07:42] <Tzalidar> about my usb question; dmesg told me that i had a incorrect filesystem on the usb stick, so ill reformat it :)
[07:43] <Ng> imvho updating and installing apps are two seperate apps
[07:43] <Mitario> what if my dads download skype from skype.com
[07:43] <Ng> tasks, rather
[07:43] <Mitario> it isn't included in the distro, and on the skype page is: this program needs the qt library to run
[07:43] <Mitario> he goes to synaptic and searches for the qt library
[07:43] <Mitario> it is in the distro, but because synaptic hides all the libraries, he can't find it
[07:44] <Despair> ugh, rhythmbox isn't updating song titles on streaming music. *misses gxine*
[07:44] <gerardvschipx> phew, copied my internal hd now lets see if ubuntu will insatll
[07:44] <JStrik1> Mitario : But, maybe I misunderstood what you were aiming for. I want to do a replacement for synaptic that sane as well as have an update utility
[07:44] <gerardvschipx> or install
[07:44] <andril> hello all
[07:44] <JStrik1> Mitario : When he tries to install it, the package management app will retrieve it in the backaground
[07:44] <Mitario> JStrik1, my first goal was to create a nice update installation thingy, not a replacement for the package manager :)
[07:45] <Despair> I don't think synaptic needs replacing. Maybe a default filter that's a bit less mindnumbing than "all" ;)
[07:45] <Mitario> Despair, indeed
[07:45] <CraHan> pitti: are you back from that meeting?
[07:46] <Mitario> and it also needs a 'System upgrade' button
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: still running
[07:46] <CraHan> ah ok
[07:46] <bruce_luc> hello
[07:46] <Mitario> anyways, i'm posting my new ideas in a sec on my weblog, so you can all read what my intentions are :)
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: but I currently can't contribute much
[07:46] <bruce_luc> all
[07:46] <mirak_> s7s, Im sorry, I went to luch, did you get mp3's working???
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: any news?
[07:46] <JStrik1> I have just been hating synaptic on RH for years now. And I see debians Synaptic blows just as much. It doesn't fit in with the Gnome Philosophy
[07:46] <CraHan> pitti: well I'm tailing syslog
[07:46] <pitti> CraHan: /msg please
[07:46] <CraHan> and on insertion of the flashcardreader and the compactflashcard in one of the slots I see udev creating sda-sdd and sda1
[07:49] <Mitario> damn, I wish there was some kind of nice little wysiwyg html editor in ubuntu which can create these kind of documents :)
[07:49] <bruce_luc> hello i'm new in ubuntu and my zip drive is not very well recognize
[07:50] <bruce_luc> can someone help me a little
[07:50] <gerardvschipx> hmm, i just noticed that it does not like my airport extreme card
[07:52] <Ng> woah. utterly offtopic, but my flatmate just brought in a keyboard projector and it's the coolest toy I've seen for ages :)
[07:52] <mirak_> ng, oooo..oooo.....lets me try
[07:53] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: they're not supported by Linux at all, I'm afraid
[07:53] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: Broadcom won't release the specifications
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> darn
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> ha well :)
[07:53] <Ng> mirak_: hehe, no! ;)
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> i'm only installing it to have  play
[07:53] <gerardvschipx> I love the installer, very simple
[07:54] <mirak_> ng, cmon.......ill give you a cookie
[07:54] <gerardvschipx> right now i'm on a very old mac with yellow dog linux
[07:54] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: and it has airport extreme?
[07:54] <gerardvschipx> its amazing the life you get out of an old machine with linux
[07:54] <gerardvschipx> nope, the airport extreme is in my powerbook
[07:55] <Kamion> gerardvschipx: ah, good, I did wonder :)
[07:55] <gerardvschipx> hehehe
[07:55] <Kamion> albook presumably
[07:55] <gerardvschipx> 12 inch powerbook
[07:55] <mirak_> gerardvschipx, lucky you
[07:55] <Kamion> ah, shame, the 12" doesn't have PCMCIA, which makes it tricky to replace the airport extreme
[07:55] <gerardvschipx> wha, for a shity powerbook?
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> yup
[07:56] <jono> anyone in KDE here?
[07:56] <Kosai> You can use USB wireless, I guess.
[07:56] <khronic> KDeww
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> good idea kosai
[07:56] <Kamion> Kosai: yeah, that's the best workaround
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> are there drivers for them?
[07:56] <mirak_> gerardvschip, I olny wish I had the money for a apple product, bills are killing me
[07:56] <Kamion> prism2_usb exists in warty
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> they are dirtcheap as well
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> same here mirak
[07:56] <Kamion> shop around, check the chipsets before buying
[07:56] <gerardvschipx> selling my arcade machines to pay for the bills:(
[07:57] <Koffa> talking about wlan - atheros supported?
[07:57] <Koffa> out of the box
[07:57] <mirak_> gerardvschipx, im sorry, need to see a doctor or anything
[07:57] <s7s> mirak_, Allright - i figured it out and it is downloading the packages now, thank you :)(& Penguinboy).
[07:57] <mirak_> gerardvschipx, cuz that hasta hurt
[07:58] <Kamion> Koffa: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport says yes but only in the installed system, not in the installer
[07:58] <mirak_> s7s, np......hope it works out for you (it should)
[07:58] <Koffa> Kamion: not a problem, thanks...
[07:58] <Koffa> Kamion: just started looking at this today, been a Debian user for ages
[08:00] <mirak_> haha
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> goddamn
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> yaboot claims it cant be installed on interal drive
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> all that work for nothing
[08:01] <gerardvschipx> urg
[08:02] <liff> so, tomorrow is release-day?
[08:02] <mirak_> liff, I sure hope so
[08:05] <Mitario> Kamion, JStrik1 new draft @ FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | please test http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/testing/LiveCD/current/warty-live-i386.iso
[08:05] <Mitario> woops
[08:05] <Mitario> sorry guys
[08:05] <Mitario> new draft @ http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/index.html
[08:06] <Kosai> Mitario: Looks good to me.
[08:08] <crash|> dose ubuntu have kernel 2.6.9 in repo et?
[08:09] <JStrik1> heh
[08:09] <muelling> Hey ho! :-)
[08:09] <lamont> crash|: that'd be after warty release.
[08:10] <crash|> lamont:hmm k when are the warty relase coming out?
[08:10] <lamont> currently in deep freeze, calender says "october"
[08:10] <inklingx> btw: 2.6.9 breaks the proprietary nvidia driver ;)
[08:10] <spiv> crash|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/newer-versions  :)
[08:11] <crash|> oki
[08:11] <Manny> hi
[08:11] <Manny> where can I get eclipse for ubuntu?
[08:12] <__daniel> theantix, you were right, it was the tab-opening order *grmbl*
[08:12] <theantix> __daniel: it isn't consistant though, unfortunately
[08:13] <theantix> I've been trying to find a way to break it consistantly so I can file a bug report
[08:13] <Kosai> Manny: Ubuntu doesn't distribute Java, since it's non-free, so also doesn't distribute Eclipse.
[08:14] <__daniel> theantix, seems to have happened in (1.3.8-0ubuntu1): correct stored tab positioning after tab_added signal.     (if i understand the changelog right)
[08:15] <theantix> __daniel: ah, good
[08:16] <Manny> Kosai: ok
[08:17] <nosilver4u> just curious, has anyone ever got iTunes to work in ubuntu?
[08:17] <thursday> good day all
[08:18] <JStrik1> nosilver4u : What?
[08:18] <LinuxJones> thursday, it's only Tuesday :)
[08:19] <JStrik1> Does ubuntu have Nvidia packages?
[08:20] <crimsun> yes.
[08:20] <JStrik1> What is the procedure to get them?
[08:20] <JStrik1> On the nvidia site like normal?
[08:20] <crimsun> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:22] <JStrik1> Ah. Was busy looking at that in Synaptic. Wasn't all that clear if it was the official one though
[08:25] <muelling> I did the nvidia installation another way. :-) Because i also wanted to build a new kernel i just got the kernel sourcec, builkt my kernel and then installed the current driver from nvidias website. sure this is not the easiest step but it worked :-) i dont like packagemanagers... :-))
[08:25] <JStrik1> Cant find gstreamer-ffmpeg. Is it in some other repo?
[08:27] <thursday> lol
[08:28] <thursday> it's always thursday!
[08:29] <kent> What package might i be missing (its not cpp, i checked) when i get the following message when trying to run configure. configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:29] <muelling> friday would be better :-)
[08:29] <tmp> anyone got swat working? i have no idea how to get it, localhost:901 gives an error
[08:30] <LinuxJones> kent, install build-essential
[08:30] <thursday> kent, try installing build-essential with apt-get install build-essential
[08:30] <thursday> oops someone beat me!
[08:31] <LinuxJones> by 2 seconds :)
[08:31] <kent> LinuxJones, thursday: Thanks alot!
[08:31] <thursday> np!
[08:32] <JStrik1> I seem to remember somebody saying that ubuntu had gstsreamer-ffmpeg available somewhere
[08:33] <nosilver4u> JStrik1: it's a little piece of software that runs the largest music store online, would require wine or similar, as there's no linux port yet
[08:33] <Despair> JStrik1: gstreamer0.8-misc
[08:34] <JStrik1> nosilver4u : I am aware what it is. You are busy dreaming that *any* distro will run it
[08:34] <Despair> (apt-cache search ffmpeg|grep treamer)
[08:34] <JStrik1> Despair : Is that the latest one that was release a couple of days ago?
[08:35] <Despair> JStrik1: no idea. I've only been using ubuntu for a couple of days.
[08:36] <mirak_> http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/ubdates/index.html
[08:36] <mirak_> im sorry.....dont know what that is....or how I did it.....was playing around with this irc client
[08:37] <JStrik1> Despair  : It is only * ffmpeg-based colorspace conversion
[08:37] <JStrik1> Not ffmpeg itself
[08:37] <JStrik1> Which allows viewing of WMV etc
[08:43] <WW_> JStrik1: I don't know anything about it, and this might not be quite what you are looking for, but there is an ffmpeg package in Marillat's repository.
[08:43] <JStrik1> WW_ : Where can I get detail about this repo?
[08:45] <maxxis> ola lagine m puede ayudar con el gdesklets
[08:45] <WW_> JStrik1: Some time ago I added a description of how to add it to the sources.list, but the wiki/ubuntu docs have morhed quite a bit since then, and I don't know where it ended up.
[08:46] <WW_> JStrik1: Add to sources.list:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:46] <maxxis> alguien m puede ayudar con el gdeklets?
[08:46] <WW_> JStrik1: Usual disclaimer: use at your own risk!
[08:47] <LinuxJones> lamont, the livecd tracker will not allow download (rejected by tracker)
[08:47] <lamont> LinuxJones: poking the admin
[08:47] <LinuxJones> lamont, ;)
[08:49] <WW_> maxxis: Maybe try #ubuntu-es ?
[08:49] <WW_> too late
[08:50] <JStrik1> WW_ : Seems to be the as what is in multiverse. Unfortunately it doesn't come with the gstreamer-plugin
[08:50] <jimi> hi there
[08:51] <jimi> what's the package needed to install stuff already?
[08:51] <jimi> install = compile
[08:51] <WW_> jimi: build-essential (I think that's what you are asking...)
[08:51] <jimi> build-essentials?
[08:51] <jimi> oh
[08:51] <jimi> ok thanks =)
[08:52] <jimi> and for this: "checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.0.0... no"
[08:52] <jimi> sorry fur bugging you -_-
[08:53] <Keybuk> jimi: what are you trying to compile?
[08:53] <jimi> darksnow, stuff to send audio stream to icecast
[08:53] <Keybuk> ah, ok; I'd install gnome-devel to get a gnomeish development environment
[08:54] <jimi> ok :)
[08:54] <jimi> eek 139Mb
[08:54] <jimi> hehe
[08:56] <jimi> wow done already
[08:56] <jimi> merci freebox
[08:57] <LinuxJones> jimi, apt-get install build essential
[08:57] <adam_> build-essential
[08:57] <LinuxJones> ya sorry
[08:57] <adam_> ;-)
[08:58] <LinuxJones> thanks :)
[08:58] <dgtl> hi everyone
[08:58] <adam_> anyway to rename eth1 to wlan0?
[08:58] <dgtl> any devs around?
[08:58] <Kamion> dgtl: several ...
[08:58] <dgtl> ok
[08:59] <dgtl> i forgot what i was about to ask though :P
[09:00] <brettcar> So, how can a guy find out where Ubuntu needs volunteers and help out?
[09:00] <adam_> mailing list?
[09:00] <brettcar> Yeah I watch some of the lists (not the dev list though)
[09:00] <brettcar> But no one is saying we need people here, here and here.
[09:00] <adam_> ask the list :-P
[09:01] <brettcar> Okay, I suppose I could :P
[09:01] <LinuxJones> brettcar, >>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/participate
[09:01] <dgtl> is there any way i can get to an "unstable" branch with ubuntu? (i.e on the edge, latest stuff etc)
[09:01] <Kamion> brettcar: at the moment we're torn between the need to get warty out tomorrow and the need to build up the development community
[09:01] <Kamion> dgtl: soon :-)
[09:01] <adam_> RELEASE IT :-)
[09:02] <brettcar> hehe
[09:02] <dgtl> ok
[09:02] <Kamion> brettcar: once hoary starts up we hope to have much more for external developers to do (after all, we can't manage all of universe ourselves)
[09:02] <dgtl> i want reiser4 as an option i a near future please jot that down somewhere :D
[09:02] <Riddell> dgtl: there isn't an unstable branch yet but presumably hoary will be opened soon and that will be unstable
[09:02] <dgtl> s/i/in
[09:02] <Kamion> dgtl: really depends when it gets into the kernel
[09:02] <Riddell> ah, Kamion is ahead of me
[09:02] <brettcar> Kamion: It'd be nice if there was a list of what needs work etc
[09:03] <Kamion> brettcar: ack
[09:03] <dgtl> so not before 2.7?
[09:03] <dgtl> ah crap
[09:03] <brettcar> Kamion: I'm a mediocre programmer and might actually be of some use, but I'd have to pick a particular package to learn and maintain probably.
[09:03] <WW_> brettcar: Update the Screem Help files :-)
[09:03] <Kamion> dgtl: is there even a 2.7 scheduled at the moment?
[09:03] <dgtl> i love the work you've done with ubuntu btw
[09:04] <Riddell> linux 2.7 isn't scheduled to happen at all
[09:04] <brettcar> Kamion: I could probably look through Bugzilla and see what needs work..
[09:04] <Riddell> don't know what the likelyhood of reiser4 getting into linux 2.6 is
[09:04] <HcE> Linux 2.7 is a dev-kernel
[09:04] <Kamion> brettcar: I could pimp my bug list, but that would be grossly unfair ... :)
[09:04] <brettcar> Hehe
[09:04] <dgtl> erhm? what's up with kernel.org?
[09:04] <dgtl> latest stable 2.0.1???
[09:05] <brettcar> Kamion: If they are legitimate bugs I don't see why it'd be unfair ;)
[09:05] <Kamion> HcE: does it exist? I was under the impression everything was going into 2.6 for now, and 2.7 wasn't planned in the near future
[09:05] <HcE> kernel.org is on a bad trip
[09:05] <Kamion> dgtl: looks fine from here
[09:05] <HcE> Kamion: I do think it "exist", but not for the public yet
[09:05] <dgtl> maybe a bad mirror then or something
[09:05] <Kamion> HcE: where does this information come from? :)
[09:05] <HcE> Kamion: I thought I read a article about that some time ago, I can of course be wrong
[09:06] <Kamion> kernel development's always been public
[09:06] <brettcar> It'd be nice if Ubuntu's Bugzilla wasn't slow as molasses though...
[09:06] <muelling> Just yesterday i got kernel <IP_ADDRESS> from kernel.org
[09:06] <Riddell> HcE: it doesn't exist
[09:06] <adam_> whats the default theme manager for Gnome?
[09:06] <muelling> Today it seems to be ok too
[09:06] <adam_> sawfish?
[09:06] <HcE> Riddell: ok
[09:06] <HcE> but some day 2.7 will exist :)
[09:06] <Mitario> adam_, the default window manager is metacity
[09:06] <dgtl> latest stable is 2.6.9
[09:06] <adam_> right thx
[09:06] <Mitario> yw :)
[09:06] <HcE> and then we'll have 2.8 or maybe 3.0 as "stable" releases
[09:07] <HcE> huh, 2.6.9 is out?
[09:07] <dgtl> yup
[09:07] <chrisa|dl> I find it odd that the Applications menu lacks a subcategory containing editors like Vim and Emacs (both of which are installed)
[09:07] <dgtl> i agree
[09:07] <gma> chrisa|dl, I do too, but then thought of the poor people like my parents who might get all confused by them.
[09:07] <dgtl> but they're console editors generally
[09:07] <HcE> dgtl: is that why I get email about kernel 2.2.19 is released? ;)
[09:08] <dgtl> :D
[09:08] <dgtl> probably
[09:08] <dgtl> seems kindof b0rked
[09:08] <HcE> dgtl: is 2.4.28 released?
[09:08] <dgtl> any plans of moving away from the brownish theme?
[09:08] <thk> whot do you people say, dual boot or macinlinux?
[09:09] <dgtl> 2.4.28-pre4 is the latest of the 2.4 branch
[09:09] <gma> dgtl, you know you can change it yourself, for all new users?
[09:10] <dgtl> for all users? no i don't have a clue... and i'm stuck with the brown background when the gnome splash i showing too... (although i've changed that color on my account)
[09:10] <muelling> dgtl: why not just download and install any gnome theme yourself? I think that brown theme is something original to ubuntu.
[09:10] <IRCMonkey> pantz: beep
[09:10] <pantz> IRCMonkey: beep
[09:11] <IRCMonkey> hehe chatzilla is cool
[09:11] <mirak_> beep
[09:11] <dgtl> muelling: well i want something beautiful right out the box so why not speak my mind?
[09:11] <IRCMonkey> for a firefox plugin!
[09:11] <gma> dgtl, run gconf-editor as root (or gconftool-2 from the command line) and change some settings; they'll then be used as default
[09:11] <JStrik1> tseng : How about those beagle, inotify-kernel packages?
[09:11] <dgtl> gma: ok thanks
[09:12] <gma> dgtl, try this: "gconftool-2 -R /desktop | grep theme"
[09:12] <muelling> dgtl: didnt want ot blame you sorry :-)
[09:12] <gma> (for example)
[09:12] <gma> there's probably a better way, but you can setup all sorts of stuff like that with gconf
[09:12] <dgtl> gma: ok i'll jot this down
[09:12] <ukasz> Are Debian and Ubuntu compatible in terms of packages? Or is it something like "compatibility" between rpm's?
[09:13] <gma> dgtl, man gconftool-2
[09:13] <gma> dgtl, and check the GConf page; http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/
[09:13] <JStrike> ukasz : Not properly. But Debian packages should work alot of the time
[09:14] <ukasz> thanks
[09:14] <dgtl> oh i got a question... why is firefox reverted(or something) to an older version?
[09:14] <sven_> hey guys ... does anyone of you knows if ubuntu comes with the x-driver of ATI or with the free xfree driver?
[09:14] <ukasz> another question: can the missing root account I've heard about be fixed easily?
[09:15] <gma> sven_, you get both
[09:15] <gma> binary one needs installing seperately
[09:15] <dgtl> ukasz: sudo passwd root
[09:16] <ukasz> ok, thanks I get this "no root" thingie now ^^
[09:17] <sven_> gma: so, is this difficult?
[09:21] <jimi> soes anyone know in what package is the "crypt" command ?
[09:21] <gma> sven_, http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:22] <WW_> dgtl: Re: Firefox downgrade: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/005732.html
[09:25] <ThreeDayMonk> anyone using a prism2 network card?  which module are you using?
[09:26] <occy> ThreeDayMonk, that a orinoco card?
[09:26] <ThreeDayMonk> that's the trouble
[09:26] <occy>  s/a/an/
[09:26] <ThreeDayMonk> I'm getting awful performance with orinoco_cs, and someone suggested that it's really a prism2
[09:26] <occy> oh
[09:26] <occy> :/
[09:27] <ThreeDayMonk> it's a DWL650 - well, it looks like one, but it's actually made by I-O DATA of Japan
[09:27] <occy> I couldn't use ubuntu on my laptop :(  quite odd.
[09:27] <ThreeDayMonk> this isn't a laptop, but I have a PCI-Cardbus adapter
[09:27] <occy> works fine on my desktop though
[09:28] <CraHan> so who's hyped up to go live :)
[09:28] <justdave> sri_: if you didn't get my reply then you're apparently not getting mail from my ISP either.  I replied with a new password for you within 5 minutes when you mailed me on the 13th.
[09:28] <JStrike> bah. Ubuntu uses the old and busted OO.o. Thought they would be competing with NLD in this arena
[09:29] <gma> occy, same here
[09:31] <gma> JStrike, NLD?
[09:31] <pantz> JStrike: NLD?
[09:31] <pantz> lol
[09:31] <s7s> What is the best mp3-player?
[09:32] <gma> I like muine, but it needs mono
[09:32] <ukasz> mpg321
[09:32] <mirak_> s7s, mplayer is good..............i like it
[09:32] <s7s> thanks :)
[09:33] <Despair> ukasz: any real difference from madplay?
[09:33] <ukasz> dunno, I've never used madplay
[09:34] <JStrike> gma, pantz : Novell Linux Desktop
[09:34] <ukasz> but I've heard of some project called MPD
[09:34] <JStrike> s7s : muine
[09:34] <ukasz> its a demon that plays music , and can be controlled with many fonteds
[09:35] <ukasz> I need to try it someday ^^
[09:35] <justdave> sri_: I just forwarded the original note from last week with your new password in it back to you again...  if you don't have it in the next 10 or 15 minutes, ping me here, and I'll just /msg it to you on IRC
[09:36] <s7s> mirak_, I Finished downloading all of the Gstreamers, but it still can?t play my mp3?s. Rhythmbox is a crap-player, so i want something else.
[09:37] <s7s> JStrike, Ok, i?ll try that :)
[09:37] <JStrike> s7s : Ubuntu played mp3's out the box for me
[09:37] <ukasz> xmms is considered the best by many
[09:37] <JStrike> Get muine
[09:37] <dgtl> WW_: thanks
[09:37] <ukasz> and its really user friendly
[09:37] <JStrike> tseng has it in his repo iirc
[09:39] <krischan> I have a question to those that are familiar with Evolution: I recently changed from Thunderbird to Evolution, tradiotionally I have my mail folders sorted descending by date, so that the most recent mails are at the most bottom. But Evolution forgets the position each time I change to another folder; when I return, the scroll bar is at the top again. Could something be done about that?
[09:39] <s7s> Seems to be alot of different opinions
[09:39] <krischan> s7s: I think with the shipped choice: XMMS
[09:40] <krischan> s/think/stick
[09:41] <mirak_> s7s, it didn't work????
[09:42] <s7s> mirak_, nope
[09:42] <mirak_> s7s, hmm...ive don't 2 installs, it worked perfect for me both  times...i don't know why it wont work for you
[09:42] <mirak_> s7s, for sure the files are mp3
[09:43] <angrylogic> s7s, I couldn't get rhythmbox to play mp3s either so I just did a apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins, installed all those packages, and then it worked.
[09:43] <mirak_> s7s, maybe that's it........you dint install all of the packages
[09:43] <mirak_> didnt*
[09:43] <s7s> mirak_, Maybe...
[09:44] <s7s> angrylogic, i?ll try that :)
[09:44] <angrylogic> s7s, make sure you are using universe in your source.list too.
[09:44] <mirak_> s7s, I wish I could help more, but im newb too....plus I am stuck at work for about another hour on a windows box
[09:45] <mirak_> s7s, im not good enough yet to work from memory
[09:45] <s7s> mirak_, ok :)
[09:47] <mirak_> is synaptic exactly the same as apt-get....in other words is theree a time where I would want to  use synaptic, and not apt-get.....or use apt-get, and not synaptic?
[09:47] <angrylogic> they work from the same package list, and synaptic uses the same libraries as apt-get as far as I know.
[09:47] <ukasz> synaptic is a graphical fonted for apt
[09:47] <angrylogic> they should always be the same.
[09:47] <ukasz> debian has synaptic too
[09:47] <mirak_> what I figured
[09:47] <mirak_> thnx
[09:47] <ukasz> synaptic actually uses apt
[09:48] <angrylogic> anyone know wither or not ubuntu will set everything up for automounting usb drives or do i have to do it by hand?
[09:48] <PenguinBoy> synaptic is just the gui for apt
[09:48] <mirak_> 1 moer question.....if I decide to only use synaptic.....do I still need to apt-get update, or does synaptic auto do that on load?
[09:49] <Kamion> mirak_: synaptic's Reload button is equivalent
[09:49] <mirak_> kamion, oh yeah....forgot about that button...sorry
[09:50] <mirak_> hey!, is there a linux equivalent to adobe illustrator??
[09:50] <mirak_> gimp is for photochop
[09:51] <mirak_> or quarx express......any illustration app
[09:52] <JStrike> Isn't Illustrator a svg app?
[09:52] <Despair> several.  Sodipodi blows :-)
[09:54] <mirak_> jstrike, are either of htem even worth it?
[09:54] <theantix> what's wrong with Inkscape?  I rather like it
[09:55] <eaon> most designers i showed inkscape were rather impressed
[09:55] <JStrike> mirak_ : Inkskape is the best.
[09:55] <eaon> has some features they've been waiting for to be in some commericial apps for years
[09:55] <JStrike> None are nearly as good as Illustrator
[09:55] <Heeter> Hi Guys,
[09:56] <nosilver4u> java?
[09:56] <eaon> thats right, yes
[09:56] <eaon> nosilver4u, tee?
[09:56] <eaon> er, tea
[09:56] <JStrike> Have never understood how people can say gimp is good with the crap interface it has
[09:56] <nosilver4u> nah, as in the browser plugin...how might i get java for firefox
[09:56] <JStrike> But I dont feel like starting that holy war right now
[09:56] <Heeter> I am new to this Linux Ubuntu.  In Synaptic, the descriptions of inkscape and sodipodi are almost identical.
[09:58] <JStrike> Inkskape is a fork of sodipodi
[09:59] <JStrike> It was forked a year or two ago
[09:59] <JStrike> Ink is better
[09:59] <WW_> JStrike: Ah, I see.  It's also supported by ubuntu :)
[09:59] <neuro_> gah
[09:59] <JStrike> See what I mean about Synaptic blowing :-)
[09:59] <WW_> ?
[10:00] <doogie> any ubuntu maintainers alive?
[10:00] <Kamion> doogie: yes?
[10:00] <theantix> I would like to see a task-based version of Synaptic -- so you choose a task "SVG editor" and it gives you the Ubuntu preferred option (say Inkscape) and list alternatives (Sodi, etc)
[10:01] <doogie> ah, you
[10:01] <JStrike> Sorry, a discussion from earlier
[10:02] <nosilver4u> so...no java?
[10:02] <JStrike> Kamion : He would like my version :-)
[10:05] <ploum> mdz, I must ping you about #2296
[10:06] <mdz> ploum: ?
[10:06] <ploum> yep, do you need more info about #2296 ?
[10:07] <mdz> ploum: please understand, we have a large number of bugs to deal with right now
[10:07] <ploum> my friend (the bug reporter) has still no sound on his laptop and, because it's a very common config, we think that it would be cool to solve this issue
[10:07] <mdz> many of them are important for tomorrow's release
[10:07] <mdz> there is not time for individual attention for every bug
[10:07] <ploum> mdz, I understand, it's just that seb128 says me to ask you about it
[10:07] <Kamion> and many things inevitably have to be deferred
[10:07] <mdz> ploum: it works perfectly for me on all of my test machines; I have no idea why you have no /dev/dsp
[10:08] <mdz> the correct modules seem to be loaded
[10:08] <mdz> so perhaps your sound device is not supported
[10:08] <ploum> I've already see that on somes Sarge install
[10:08] <mdz> ploum: see what exactly?
[10:08] <ploum> it's because Oss AND Alsa drivers were loaded
[10:08] <ukasz> no dev/dsp?
[10:08] <ploum> yes
[10:09] <ukasz> do you have oss compatibility modules loaded?
[10:09] <ukasz> they provide it
[10:09] <JStrike> Kamion : What would be ideal would be an app that contains/incorporates something like the ui-vision here  (http://www.autopackage.org/ui-vision.html) I think that apt could be used to power it though
[10:09] <mdz> ukasz: he does; his sound device is not recognized by the ALSA driver at all
[10:09] <ploum> And the solution was always to compile a new kernel without OSS support (but OSS emulation throught ALSA enabled)
[10:09] <mdz> ploum: you say this is a Dell laptop?
[10:09] <JStrike> Kamion : Sorry to bring that up again :-)
[10:09] <ukasz> so he needs to manualy load the driver
[10:09] <mdz> ploum: perhaps you have bug #1254, try that
[10:09] <ploum> mdz, yes (it's not mine so I don't have it here)
[10:10] <mdz> ploum: test please
[10:10] <ploum> mdz, thx, I forward it !
[10:10] <ukasz> alsaconfig sometimes didn't work for me
[10:10] <ploum> thx a lot and courage for tonight !
[10:10] <ploum> :-)
[10:11] <__daniel> ploum, maybe you had to blacklist the oss-drivers in /etc/hotplug.d or something? *guess*
[10:11] <ploum> anyway, just a question : why is OSS still in default kernel ? Why not only Alsa and OSS emulation ?
[10:11] <ploum> __daniel, already tried
[10:11] <__daniel> ploum, damn :-/
[10:12] <ploum> that was the first thing I tought
[10:12] <ploum> Thanks a lot mdz and good work..
[10:12] <chapeaurouge> ploum, do you happen to know the dell model of the laptop?
[10:12] <mdz> ploum: that is exactly what we alreaady do
[10:12] <mdz> ploum: ALSA with OSS emulation
[10:13] <mdz> the OSS drivers are already blacklisted, of course
[10:13] <cjb> Kamion: Do you happen to have a serial cable around there somewhere?
[10:13] <Kosai> my Alpha is being mean to me.
[10:13] <Kamion> Kosai: 'fraid not
[10:13] <Kosai> curses.
[10:14] <Tzalidar> vim is so cool :)
[10:16] <mirak_> 45mins till FREEDOM!!!
[10:17] <ploum> mdz, yes they are blacklisted, but why not compile the kernel without OSS support. So there's no more need for blacklist support
[10:17] <clee> daniels: bitch.
[10:17] <clee> daniels: jabber!
[10:17] <WW_> mirak_: Workin' hard?  :)
[10:17] <mdz> ploum: so that they are available if for some reason the newer drivers do not work for some hardware yet
[10:18] <ploum> mdz, ok, indeed.
[10:19] <ploum> sorry for the noise..
[10:19] <ploum> tomorow will be a wonderful day ;-)
[10:19] <ploum> (but I can say goodbye to naked people in the artwork..)
[10:20] <mirak_> ww_, havent really done anything all day.......hehe
[10:21] <mirak_> so tomarrow for sure is the release?
[10:22] <nosilver4u> well, in case anyone cares, i got java working
[10:22] <nosilver4u> in firefox
[10:22] <mirak_> nosilver4u, go to www.purevolume.com/bedforddrive        tell me if the player on the right side displays the track names
[10:23] <mirak_> nosilver4u, I got it working too, but not 100%
[10:23] <mirak_> baham, what game you watching?
[10:23] <baHam> Juventus - Bayern Muenchen
[10:23] <baHam> :D
[10:23] <mirak_> ??
[10:23] <neuro_> lol
[10:26] <s7s> How can i make changes in the startup-procedure?
[10:26] <TheBoss> mirak_: You're fired.
[10:27] <WW_> mirak_:  ;-)
[10:27] <xskoulax> s/the/they
[10:30] <krischan> I have a question to those that are familiar with Evolution: I recently changed from Thunderbird to Evolution, tradiotionally I have my mail folders sorted descending by date, so that the most recent mails are at the most bottom. But Evolution forgets the position each time I change to another folder; when I return, the scroll bar is at the top again. Could something be done about that?
[10:31] <mirak_> ww_, that is funny stuff.......but seriously...i can go home now
[10:31] <mirak_> ?????
[10:31] <WW_> mirak_: Yes, you have my permission...
[10:31] <hypn0> could someone change the single pipes to double pipes in topic, pipes mean monospace, sure that wasnt the intent
[10:32] <WW_> krischan: I just tried it myself, and the position of my "cursor" in each folded didn't change.
[10:32] <Kamion> hypn0: in what IRC client?
[10:32] <WW_> s/folded/folder/
[10:32] <hypn0> chatzilla
[10:32] <Kamion> how crap of it
[10:32] <zerom> hi,ive got a problem with the root account on my ubuntu: the sudo workaround asks for a password.
[10:33] <Kamion> hypn0: that better?
[10:33] <Kamion> zerom: your own password.
[10:33] <Kosai> zerom: It's asking for your user password.
[10:33] <hypn0> ahh, so much easier on the eyes now :-), thanks
[10:33] <zerom> thx
[10:33] <Kosai> Someone needs to write a "Look, we're asking for *your* password here." wrapper script.
[10:34] <Kamion> I thought we'd changed sudo to say "Enter your password:"
[10:34] <Kamion> evidently we only changed gksudo
[10:34] <mirak_> kamion, what is gksudo???
[10:34] <mirak_> kamion, I am only aware of sudo
[10:35] <Kamion> mirak_: you only need one question mark :-)
[10:35] <Kamion> mirak_: graphical frontend, allows running an X client as root straightforwardly
[10:35] <mirak_> kamion, sorry heavy fingers....i guess, thnx for the answer
[10:36] <Kosai> MonkeyPop is the coolest thing I've seen this month.
[10:36] <mirak_> kamion, kinda like logging in as root?
[10:36] <Kamion> mirak_: much less heavyweight though
[10:37] <mirak_> kamion, thnx :)
[10:39] <JStrike> Kosai : Nat just said that an hour ago :-)
[10:39] <Kosai> JStrike: Well, it's propagating.  :)
[10:40] <JStrike> heh
[10:41] <PenguinBoy> what is MoinkeyPop?
[10:47] <JStrike> PenguinBoy : google it
[10:48] <will> hi ppl, i installed un installed and reinstalled j2sdk but still i am getting the 'missing plugin' thing in firefox, and there is no j2sdk in the extensions dialog - whats going on im using firefox 0.9.3
[10:48] <speel> is the final comming out this week or next?
[10:50] <d3niz> hi please can help me
[10:50] <Kamion> speel: tomorrow.
[10:50] <s7s> How can i make changes in the startup-procedure?
[10:50] <d3niz> where can i get some sources
[10:50] <speel> aw man lol gotta wait one more day
[10:50] <d3niz> sources lists //??
[10:51] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[10:51] <Kamion> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[10:52] <d3niz> Kamion thanks very much :)
[10:52] <will> anyone have any ideas on my question?
[10:55] <d3niz> will what is your question ?
[10:55] <will>  i installed un installed and reinstalled j2sdk but still i am getting the 'missing plugin' thing in firefox, and there is no j2sdk in the extensions dialog - whats going on im using firefox 0.9.3
 is the final comming out this week or next?
[10:56] <neuro_> [21:50]  <Kamion> speel: tomorrow.
[10:58] <WW_> will: nosilver4u was just talking about getting java working in firefox.
[11:00] <will> it used to work in the unstable release (1.0pr) but not now!
[11:03] <will> its very quiet in here today....is everone drinking or something!?!
[11:03] <wm_eddie> I wish....
[11:03] <will> so what are the bar charts to the immediate right of this box im typing into in X-Chat? does any one know?
[11:04] <neuro_> lag
[11:04] <neuro_> or lack thereof
[11:04] <will> so the top one, says about 10% what does that mean eh?
[11:06] <neuro_> will: i use mirc ... i suggest rtfming
[11:08] <UBMike> at boot ubuntu shows a FATAL error for hw_random module. how do I turn the attempt to load that puppy off?
[11:08] <will> neuro_: do you use ubuntu too?
[11:09] <neuro_> will: yes
[11:09] <UBMike> hmm maybe in /etc/discover.conf?
[11:09] <neuro_> building a mythtv box using ubuntu right now
[11:09] <xskoulax> will: they are a lag and throttle meters
[11:09] <xskoulax> i beleive
[11:10] <UBMike> bbl...
[11:10] <xskoulax> under settings>preferences>user
[11:10] <glar00k> hi
[11:10] <neuro_> cards galore! http://gander.zensoft.net/~neuro/DSC02477.JPG :))
[11:10] <s7s> mirak_, what did you do after you downloaded the Gstreamers?
[11:11] <s7s> mirak_, should i config something in Rhythmbox?
[11:12] <xskoulax> neuro_: thought about starting a casino ;)
[11:12] <neuro_> lol
[11:12] <PenguinBoy> i just apt-got installed freeciv.....but there was no icon installed under applications....games.  Anyone know why?????
[11:14] <__daniel> PenguinBoy, does it work when you're in a console?
[11:14] <danitus> WEPETEPE! como estamos corillo
[11:15] <PenguinBoy> _daniel.....how would I do that?
[11:15] <Kamion> will: have you anything in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/?
[11:15] <s7s> mirak_, are you there?
[11:15] <Kamion> will: (apart from libnullplugin.so)
[11:17] <will> kamion: yeah a few things, but nothing related to (oh god) sun or j2skd
[11:17] <will> j2sdk even!
[11:17] <matthew> apt-get upgrade, does not install newewst mozilla-firefox, is there not a package for it?
[11:17] <Hoodster> Hi all, Is there a page at the ubuntu website or wiki that lists the packages that come with Warty? I can't find it! (hehe)
[11:17] <Kamion> will: you'll need to put the plugin from the j2re in there
[11:18] <will> matthew: what i learnt is they reverted to 0.9.3 for stability just now...it was closing on its own randomly (well for me anyway)
[11:18] <will> kamion: thanks! any idea where i would find it?
[11:18] <matthew> hrmm thats odd, i know there are some security problems with .9.3, ok i was just wondering
[11:19] <lamont> will: whack google with blackdown java linux
[11:19] <Kamion> will: not offhand, I'm afraid; look for *.so
[11:19] <Kamion> libjavaplugin or some such
[11:20] <JStrike> What is the debian equivalent of rpm -ivh foo
[11:20] <Kamion> JStrike: dpkg -i foo.deb
[11:20] <lamont> will: Their readme says: "J2SE v1.4.2-rc1 can be download from ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/ and our FTP mirrors  (see http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html)"
[11:21] <JStrike> Kamion : Thanks
[11:21] <will> www.blackdown.org
[11:21] <Kamion> no direct equivalent of the -h switch, but most people don't find it necessary
[11:22] <lamont> Kamion: what's -h?
[11:22] <JStrike> BTW, why is there no app to deal with install debs ?
[11:22] <lamont> JStrike: how do you mean?
[11:22] <stvn> JStrike: like dpkg -i <file>.deb
[11:23] <JStrike> It seems you have to use the terminal to install a deb
[11:23] <lamont> pretty much only developers find a need or use for running dpkg -i directly
[11:23] <stvn> lamont: don't forget dselect ;)
[11:23] <Kamion> lamont: print hash marks
[11:23] <Kamion> progress bar, basically
[11:24] <stvn> JStrike: synaptic might be your friend
[11:24] <PenguinBoy> what is a good equivalent to midnight commander?
[11:24] <lamont> JStrike: you mean like this: Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[11:24] <JStrike> I dont think synaptic lets you install a single package
[11:24] <stvn> PenguinBoy: you mean with gui?
[11:24] <JStrike> It needs to come from a repo or cd
[11:24] <lamont> stvn: what's dselect? :-)
[11:24] <will> kamion: no .so files to do with j2sdk on  my pc!! ARR!
[11:24] <PenguinBoy> yes styn
[11:24] <will> think i will try blackdown
[11:25] <Kamion> will: make sure you have a j2re
[11:25] <stvn> PenguinBoy: hm, there is gmc but I must say mc works quite nice from a terminal, with mouse support etc
[11:25] <stvn> lamont: exactly ;)
[11:25] <PenguinBoy> styn i like mc but it is not on my system.....would you know hoe to apt-get it?
[11:26] <stvn> PenguinBoy: add the universe and apt-get install mc
[11:26] <PenguinBoy> it is not lisyed on the Derbian stable list
[11:26] <lamont> PenguinBoy: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add universe
[11:26] <Kamion> JStrike: we could invent some kind of mime handler for individual .debs, but there's the question of what to do with dependency problems, which you *will* get eventually if you install .debs by hand
[11:26] <xskoulax> hey all, question when i run glxgears the following shows up 'Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".' is that significant at all?
[11:26] <JStrike> Kamion : Not so. Rug/red-capet deals with it just fine
[11:27] <PenguinBoy> thanks guys....got it!
[11:27] <xskoulax> fps is topping out at 248 and the card is a radeon 9500 pro
[11:27] <JStrike> Kamion : Unless you mean they are badly built
[11:28] <Kamion> JStrike: no, that's not what I mean at all
[11:28] <stvn> in ubuntu, if you add another user, can he still do all the sudo commands, or do I need to change some sudo setting somewhere?
[11:28] <lamont> JStrike: take your pick: install individual .debs and deal with the dependencies, or put them in a repository and let the next layer up deal with the dependencies for you.
[11:28] <Kamion> JStrike: if you let people install individual .debs, sooner or later they'll download one without downloading all its dependencies as well
[11:28] <lamont> stvn: until you visudo he can't
[11:28] <brettcar> xskoulax: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:28] <lamont> stvn: the installer adds the initial user to /etc/sudoers for you
[11:28] <Kamion> JStrike: and there exist packages which you *cannot* install in isolation; you need to install two packages simultaneously. The next layer up is responsible for taking care of this.
[11:29] <stvn> lamont: ah ok - eek vi
[11:29] <Kamion> stvn: visudo actually uses $EDITOR; the name is historical
[11:30] <stvn> sudo nano /etc/sudoers should work as well then
[11:30] <xskoulax> brettcar: thx just what i needed i guess, i looked at the hardware list and it said the 9500 pro was supporting the 3d so was suprised at the fps
[11:30] <Kamion> stvn: recommended against
[11:30] <stvn> Kamion: why?
[11:30] <Kamion> stvn: visudo also does error checking to make sure you don't lock yourself out due to a syntax error in sudoers
[11:30] <brettcar> xskoulax: After installation you should get well over 1000
[11:31] <Kamion> stvn: and locks the file against concurrent modification
[11:31] <lamont> svvn: I think visudo runs $EDITOR...
[11:31] <stvn> Kamion: ah ok
[11:31] <xskoulax> after installation i'm going to have to locate that loki quake3 :D
[11:32] <stvn> how long does ubuntu exist now?
[11:32] <Kamion> stvn: we held the kick-off meeting in April
[11:32] <Kamion> of course, it didn't have a name then :)
[11:32] <stvn> Kamion: ok, it's a shame I didn't know about it before last week :(
[11:33] <Kamion> stvn: we didn't go public until mid-September
[11:33] <stvn> I just converted the last computer of my housemates to debian, and ubuntu would have been perfect for mine/their needs :(
[11:33] <JStrike> Kamion : Are you one of the packagers?
[11:33] <Kamion> JStrike: yes
[11:33] <stvn> Kamion: ah that explains, I was away for a month starting half september, I came back and discovered ubuntu, wondering why I didn't knew it before
[11:34] <Kamion> JStrike: the example I'm thinking of is libc6/libdb1-compat, although of course you wouldn't install those two from scratch
[11:35] <JStrike> Is there any chance you could package gnome-bt (http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/) and build it against ubuntu? The debs it supplies are built against a newer version of python
[11:36] <__daniel> JStrike, it's in jdub's repository
[11:36] <JStrike> Kamion : True
[11:36] <JStrike> jdub has a repo?
[11:36] <__daniel> JStrike, deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/ ./
[11:36] <__daniel> JStrike: just a small one
[11:37] <neuro_> handy if you have anything bluetooth related i spose :)
[11:37] <__daniel> neuro_, it's cool
[11:37] <vincent> ???? http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/gdm-human.jpg
[11:38] <Kamion> JStrike: I'm fairly specialised, and not towards the desktop; I guess jdub will upload that himself eventually
[11:39] <stvn> neuro_: ?
[11:39] <joem> I installed gnome-btdownload from those debs, there was no issue
[11:39] <punkass__> what does multiverse
[11:39] <punkass__> contain?
[11:39] <neuro_> stuff
[11:39] <punkass__> lol
[11:39] <punkass__> thanks for being so clear
[11:39] <neuro_> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/
[11:39] <Kamion> punkass__: unsupported non-free packages
[11:40] <punkass__> i thought that was universe. or are thse more unsupported non-free packages
[11:40] <neuro_> which is handy as fsck, as I couldn't get mplayer to install from marillat
[11:40] <__daniel> good night
[11:40] <Kamion> punkass__: universe => unsupported but free
[11:41] <Phr0stByte> neuro_: mine works great
[11:41] <punkass__> ah ok thanks..
[11:41] <JStrike> *cough* get gstreamer--ffmpeg in multiverse
[11:41] <brettcar> Is it possible to install right from the LiveCD?
[11:42] <xskoulax> lamont ^
[11:43] <JStrike> unless I am going crazy, I dont see it in http://people.ubuntu.com/~jdub/warty/
[11:43] <lamont> liveCD has no install components
[11:43] <JStrike> unless it is libgnomebt0
[11:43] <xskoulax> lamont: anychance that will be added?
[11:43] <will> goodnight peeps! im off
[11:43] <lamont> in the 4MB of CD space left?  I kinda doubt that.
[11:43] <JStrike> It just seems to contains the gnome-bluetooth stuff
[11:44] <cprov> hi, guys, somebody can tel me why pylint isn't included yet on warty-universe ?
[11:44] <xskoulax> ahhhhh kinda packed i take it
[11:44] <xskoulax> fair enuf
[11:44] <brettcar> Alas, thats too bad
[11:44] <lamont> cprov: that's a source package name?
[11:45] <JStrike> joem : Where did you see gnome-btdownload there?
[11:45] <lamont> cprov: appears to be a source package, so that would mean that it was added to debian after June 28
[11:46] <wolf2945> hey, im trying to install warty-install-amd64. on base install i get linux-image-amd64-generic has an error, cant install. redownloaded the RC and burned it again, same thing. any ideas?
[11:46] <joem> JStrike, on the sf site
[11:47] <Kamion> wolf2945: worked for me with both the RC and today's daily ...
[11:47] <Kamion> wolf2945: switch to tty3 and see if there's more detail there
[11:47] <neuro_> ah to have problems with amd64
[11:47] <wolf2945> says that package is not installable
[11:47] <wolf2945> stat error
[11:47] <JStrike> joem : Oh? It doesn't work for me. Seems to need a newer version of python-gtk
[11:48] <neuro_> i'd happily put up with probs if someone chucked me some adm-64 kit :>
[11:48] <joem> 2.4 is available
[11:48] <JStrike> jdub : ping
[11:48] <joem> don't remember if it is universe or main
[11:48] <Kamion> wolf2945: can you quote exactly?
[11:48] <JStrike> It is?
[11:48] <wolf2945> sec
[11:48] <Kamion> paraphrased error messages are difficult to make out
[11:48] <cprov> lamont: yes, Aug 16th ..
[11:48] <wolf2945> on another kvm port, will take a few
[11:48] <JStrike> Let me look
[11:49] <lamont> cprov: upstream freeze was June 28.
[11:49] <lamont> hence hoary
[11:51] <Kamion> in the case of w32codecs I might suspect legality
[11:51] <Kamion> everything in multiverse still has to be distributable ...
[11:51] <cprov> lamont: ok, is there any chance to include it in universe now ? or should I use the debian package ?
[11:51] <jdub> JStrike: mmm?
[11:51] <JStrike> joem : That doesn't seem to be the problem. I have 2.4 installed
[11:51] <wolf2945> Kamion, /var/lib/apt/lists/_cdrom_dists_warty_main_binary-amd64_Packages - stat no such file or directory
[11:52] <joem> then whats its deal
[11:52] <Kamion> wolf2945: suggests problems reading the disk to me; I'm quite surprised it got that far ...
[11:52] <lamont> cprov: grab the debian sources and build against warty would be the best plan
[11:52] <wolf2945> i see the files in the iso. i guess ill try another disk
[11:52] <JStrike> not sure. Vague error message
[11:53] <Kamion> wolf2945: bizarre; sorry, honestly don't see what could be wrong, as I say it's been working for me on amd64
[11:53] <wolf2945> what board?
[11:53] <cprov> lamont: thanks, I'll do it :)
[11:53] <Kamion> that's a very odd place for a failure
[11:53] <Kamion> wolf2945: VIA of some variety
[11:54] <wolf2945> ive got a k8v se dx with 3200+ and fx5200, hopefully will go good
[11:54] <JStrike> oops...my bad
[11:55] <Kamion> I don't remember the details, just bought the cheapest amd64 box I could find :)
[11:55] <wolf2945> heh
[11:55] <Kamion> (since I needed it for work)
[11:55] <wolf2945> "work" heh
[11:56] <Kamion> wolf2945: well, Ubuntu *is* my job ...
[11:56] <ben54> hi dudes :)
[11:56] <JStrike> joem : Does it register with firefox?
[11:56] <wolf2945> a few games help kill time too i hope
[11:56] <joem> JStrike, I use epiphany
[11:56] <Kamion> wolf2945: don't have windows installed, so no
[11:57] <cristian> Kamion: what's the ubuntu way to compile a custom kernel, does make-kpkg applies as in debian?
[11:57] <wolf2945> dont need windows for games, but anyways
[11:57] <Kamion> wolf2945: true, but still no filesystem survives long enough on that box to be worth bothering installing games on
[11:57] <ben54> i have a small problem with Ubunutu and SpeedStep : the conf file seems to not be used, but if I laucnh cpufreqd in a terminal
[11:57] <ben54> it works fine
[11:57] <wolf2945> shame
[11:57] <Kamion> wolf2945: it's one of my installer crash test dummy boxes
[11:58] <Kamion> cristian: make-kpkg is usable, yes
[11:58] <jdub> JStrike: you pinged?
[11:58] <cristian> Kamion: thanks
[11:59] <Kamion> cristian: (or, at least, should be; haven't tested it myself)
[11:59] <JStrike> jdub : I was told you had created an ubuntu packaged version of gnome-btdownload, but I cant find it in your repo. Is it still around somewhere?
[11:59] <jdub> what's btdownload?
[11:59] <Kamion> bittorrent
[11:59] <jdub> i have all of edd's bluetooth packages
[12:00] <jdub> oh