[00:30] <rww> yay chanserv lag
[00:30] <k1l_> yep
[00:31] <k1l_> freenode feels some laggy last days. are they under ddos attacks again?
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> could we have a trigger for this url? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> alot of users would find this info handy to switch
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> or maybe a link add to the existing !usb trigger?
[04:02] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[04:17] <rww> !usb
[07:33] <Darknet> Hello, i would like to know why i am banned from ubuntu?
[07:34] <Darknet> from #ubuntu *
[07:35]  * rww takes a look
[07:36] <rww> @btlogin
[07:40] <rww> Darknet: looks like your last interaction in there was discussing whether hosted email is on-topic for #ubuntu, and then declaring the channel useless
[07:40] <rww> since the helpers and chanops in #ubuntu are volunteers, that's rather less patience than we'd like in there
[07:41] <Darknet> hmm
[07:42] <Darknet> how long is the ban for?
[07:43] <rww> bans in #ubuntu often aren't for a set period of time, we remove them when we're confident that the problem won't re-occur
[07:43] <Darknet> it will not
[07:44] <rww> Alrighty, then your ban has been removed. Thanks for dropping by, and please do exercise patience in #ubuntu as we discussed :)
[07:44] <Darknet> will do
[09:08] <DJones> 09:07 < anonymous_> with a keygan
[09:09] <DJones> Wut, Wanting to install pirated software?
[09:11] <ikonia> looks like it
[09:36] <Tm_T> @whoami
[09:37] <Tm_T> hmmm
[09:40] <Tm_T> @whoami
[09:44]  * DJones hands Tm_T a mirror to check who he is
[09:47] <Tm_T> some kind of monster?
[19:51] <daftykins> the trolling by this cholby character has gone on a bit too long now, pretty sure i've seen that username around freenode at times, can't you take it up with staffers to get them punished somehow?
[19:51] <Pici> how would you like them to do that?
[19:53] <daftykins> anything within their power, i don't know what options they have available :)
[19:54] <Pici> Theres no way to reliably ban someone if they have unlimited unrelated ips at their disposal.
[19:55] <daftykins> i suppose it could just as easily be someone using that nick to annoy that user too :)
[20:26] <k1l_> just in case PsychoBoB comes and tells he is new and doesnt know whats going on and wants to be unbanned. his account is over a year old, he is just a timewaster troll
[21:21] <SuperEddy> !ops | waaaaaaaaaaaa
[21:51] <ikonia> hello AlanBell
[22:38] <AlanBell> o/ ikonia
[23:54] <phunyguy> He lives!


[01:21] <im_zsw> i lost my login pass
[01:29] <im_zsw> hello
[01:29] <David-A> im_zsw: you forgot it, or you remember it but the system forgot it?
[01:30] <im_zsw> i forgot it but i did a recovery mode and it did not work at all
[01:32] <im_zsw> ubottu what is dtephendash
[01:32] <im_zsw> Danid-A hello
[01:32] <StrangeRat> good evening
[01:33] <David-A> im_zsw: in recovery mode, did you have a text consol with a "#" prompt?
[01:33] <im_zsw> no
[01:33] <im_zsw> i did not
[01:33] <StrangeRat> i am having issues with nvidia i think when i goto run games on steam for example the video quality is all grainy and the game is very laggy
[01:34] <David-A> ubottu, I think you *are* intelligent, and beautiful too :)
[01:34] <im_zsw> i dissagree
[01:34] <im_zsw> jk i love you ubotttu
[01:35] <im_zsw> 3 t's damn
[01:35] <David-A> okay, not *that* intelligent then
[01:35] <StrangeRat> ai love
[01:35] <im_zsw> lol
[01:35] <StrangeRat> is optimal love
[01:37] <David-A> it didn't object to being called beautiful. that hansom little bot
[01:37] <StrangeRat> so i have a nvidia 660 and when i goto to use steam to play tf2 or dota the graphics are horrible and its super laggy
[01:37] <StrangeRat> i have the bumble bee drivers installed and the latest drivers for nvidia (331)
[01:38] <David-A> im_zsw: I don't remember if a password is needed when going into recovery mode. if it is, then an alternative is to run a live-system and edit the passwd file on the harddrive
[01:39] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i dont have disk
[01:40] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> is a hash file stored someware in database that i can access ?
[01:41] <David-A> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: if you have no password for a user with sudo rights or for root itself, i dont think you can just bypass the security of a running system. it would be quite a security hole if you could.
[01:42] <Unit193> !pwreset | INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL
[01:43] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i can scan for one
[01:44] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> and i would not doubt there is one there
[01:54] <StrangeRat> is anyone well versed on video card issues?
[01:54] <knome> why don't you ask the question and find out if anybody knows the solution to your issue?
[01:54] <knome> (which is what you should do. welcome!)
[01:55] <StrangeRat> i always start that way i will ask
[01:56] <knome> no need to, this channel is designed for support questions
[01:56] <StrangeRat> i have a nvidia 660 and when i run games its really laggy i am using the nvidia driver 331 and bumblebee with edgers
[01:57] <StrangeRat> i also have no controls in my nvidia control panel like i used to i am not sure what has happened
[01:58] <StrangeRat> it just shows profiles under nvidia settings
[02:48] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i have waited a really long time
[03:00] <David-A> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: did you read the link provided by the bot? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LostPassword
[03:01] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> yes and as i noted befor that method did not work
[03:01] <krytarik> !details | INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL
[03:02] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i have provided details
[03:02] <bazhang> doesn't work is not much of a detail
[03:02] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: give some for the volunteers, please. i dont see anything relevant in the scroll back
[03:03] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i did befor
[03:03] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: do it again, please
[03:03] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: i dont see your details
[03:03] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i lost my login pass
[03:04] <holstein> !password | INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL
[03:04] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: that is what i use.. whats happening for you?
[03:04] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> that method did not work
[03:05] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL:  i boot the recover console, and i run "mount -rw -o remount /" ..then, i use the passwd command
[03:05] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> i did such things
[03:05] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: what is not working? and how? what are the specific errors?
[03:05] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: ?
[03:05] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> the root shell is not responding
[03:06] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: you could have a bad/failing hard drive
[03:06] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: can you boot the root shell?
[03:06] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password is what i use
[03:06] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> more than likely but everything seems okay whit my hard drive
[03:07] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: seems? hard drives dont "seem". thay are either good or bad
[03:07] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: can you get to the root console? the recover console?
[03:07] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> so in my cans 'good' ?
[03:08] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: can you get to the root console? following the steps at http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password ?
[03:08] <David-A> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: not responding? do you get a shell prompt, so you know you are in the shell? can you type a command, but it will not be executed? or?
[03:08] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> lrt me see. i want to try to go through a security hole though
[03:08] <holstein> Boot up the machine, and after the BIOS screen, hold down the left shift key to bring up the grub menu
[03:08] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: ?
[03:09] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: the recovery console is how to repair the issue you have caused.. if you want to try and "hack" your sytem, try the security channels
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> after the grub menu is brought up go to ubuntu settings "or somthing like that" and a root shell "should"
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> ok
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> so #networking?
[03:10] <bazhang> ##security
[03:10] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> ok
[03:10] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: you should see the menu.. the second entry will be the recovery console i, and the link are referencing
[03:11] <holstein> that is how you would compromise your account.. if you had lost the machine.. thats why you do disk or partition encyption to combat that security hole
[03:12] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> yes
[03:12] <holstein> otherwise, you would exploit a service running on the machine to compromise someone's account.. a root user or whatever.. but its not to compromise someones account like you are referencing
[03:12] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: you just use the recovery console... no need for a security hole
[03:12] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: its a feature.. not a security hole
[03:12] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> im 12 knowone cares about my data. not that many people want to be assh#### and mess ur junk up
[03:12] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> lol
[03:13] <holstein> INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL: its not about "caring" about your data.. its about this.. what is your question? if you are trying to recover your password, use the guide.. if you are not, then, use the proper channel for your quesiton
[03:14] <INEEDSOMEDAMNHEL> ? i was not talking about that at all goodbye.
[05:31] <Linux25> Im using Xubuntu on my PC and ubuntu on my laptop, one feature i like in ubuntu is the ability to add multiple clocks for different timezones, they show as a list under the calendar, is there something similar for xubuntu?
[06:24] <cheri703_> hey xubuntu folks. I am having an annoying issue and I don't know where to start on sorting it out. Sometimes (not always) when I try to open quasselclient, it shows up if I check system monitor, but it doesn't actually *open*, and I can't alt+tab to it. Sometimes I can reboot and it'll open, sometimes not. In the past it would do this but I could click on a notification and suddenly it'd pop up, OR it would disappear if I clicked on one. Anyone
[06:43] <Unit193> Howdy.  This is just the client version right?  The one you connect to the core with rather than direct connect?  What version and package? (there's a qt and -kde version.)  I'd try launching it from the terminal and see if you get any messages, also check .cache/upstart/startxfce4.log (if in 13.10)
[06:45] <cheri703_> Yeah, I just uninstalled the qt version and installed the other one
[06:45] <cheri703_> from terminal it says "Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. No DockManager available "
[06:46] <cheri703_> oh, and version and package is...whatever's newest. I can check
[06:48] <cheri703_> quassel-client 0.9.1-0ubuntu1.1
[06:51] <Unit193> Hrm, well that's not much output, so best to try the -d switch to enable debugging.  FWIW, I have the quassel-client-qt4 package installed and it appears to be working.
[06:51] <cheri703_> yeah, I had that installed and it was doing the same thing
[06:51] <cheri703_> I'll try -d
[06:57] <cheri703_> hmm...looks like the issue might be that it is supposed to start minimized to the systray, but there is no systray anymore
[06:58] <cheri703_> http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1242
[06:58] <Unit193> Don't have it in Xfce panel?
[06:59] <cheri703_> I mean, I have the usual notification/indicator areas, but haven't had a quassel one since switching to xubuntu
[07:01] <Unit193> Ah, indicators are a little broken in 13.10 unless you manually fix them, 14.04 is a lot better, or will be, there.  It will/should be in indicator-messages.
[07:03] <cheri703_> ok, I'm hoping to upgrade at that point. Is there a way to force it to open maximized instead of minimized to tray?
[07:03] <arrith> Unit193: what are your thoughts on waiting a month or two or three after say a release of an LTS to avoid any remaining bugs?
[07:04] <cheri703_> That's fine for the upgrade, I need to be able to use quassel in the meantime though :/
[07:04] <Unit193> cheri703_: I'd disable the tray icon in the settings, that should do it.  Also, the config file isn't as easy, but in theory you could manually edit that.
[07:05] <cheri703_> a while ago somehow bitlbee ate my whole chat, so I had to reinstall quassel-core.
[07:05] <Unit193> arrith: I don't generally wait that long, but I also know from other computers or VMs what bugs I will personally hit.
[07:05] <data_> hi i need some help please
[07:05] <cheri703_> I can't *get* to the settings because I can't get to the menus because I can't open the window because it's opening minimized in non-existent tray
[07:06] <data_> Error mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/data/7290E02C90DFF497: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sdb1" "/media/data/7290E02C90DFF497"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[07:06] <data_> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[07:06] <data_> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not permitted
[07:06] <data_> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[07:06] <data_> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[07:06] <data_> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[07:06] <data_> how can i access this it has all my files i saved to my second harddrive before i installed xubuntu
[07:07] <Unit193> cheri703_: UseSystemTrayIcon=false MinimizeOnClose=false MainWinHidden=false  should do it in the config file.
[07:07] <Unit193> data_: Do you have Windows?
[07:07] <data_> no
[07:08] <Unit193> cheri703_: .config/quassel-irc.org/quasselclient.conf being the config.
[07:08] <data_> i installed xubntu full time
[07:08] <data_> xubuntu*
[07:08] <cheri703_> \o/ Thanks Unit193!! That worked! :D
[07:08] <Unit193> cheri703_: Fantastic!
[07:09] <data_> I have had two harddrives
[07:10] <data_> one had win8 that i installed xubuntu fresh on the main hdd
[07:10] <data_> my second harddrive i put files on it that i needed
[07:10] <data_> so i could have them on xubuntu
[07:10] <data_> now it wont let me mount the drive.
[07:10] <data_> or access the files.
[07:11] <Unit193> Well, you could mount read only, though that won't help you when you need to edit files, best idea is to run some form of chkdsk on it.
[07:12] <data_> im not sure how to do this
[07:14] <data_> any ideas?
[07:16] <Unit193> http://askubuntu.com/questions/290630/problem-to-enter-in-ntfs-partition looks like the best bet is to stick it in a computer with windows and have chkdsk/ntfs on it.
[07:16] <arrith> sometimes a fsck is necessary. though i might be misremembering but i *think* there's some way to force a mount
[07:17] <arrith> might not always work
[07:17] <data_> so there is no way to do this within linux?
[07:17] <Unit193> Yeah, could force a mount, think I did when I dualbooted back in '08.
[07:18] <data_> i dont have the option to dual boot.
[07:18] <data_> i did a fresh install with xubuntu over my windows 8
[07:19] <data_> so basically i lost everything?
[07:20] <arrith> data_: try to force a mount
[07:20] <data_> how do i do that?
[07:20] <data_> sorry im new with xubuntu
[07:21] <arrith> http://blog.arvixe.com/how-to-force-mount-unclean-shutdowned-windows-ntfs-or-fat32-drive-in-linux/
[07:24] <arrith> data_: step 2
[07:24] <data_> its not letting me
[07:24] <arrith> data_: what message do you get
[07:24] <Unit193> !pastebin
[07:24] <arrith> you should make sure you're referring to the correct partition
[07:27] <data_> arrith: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7112708/
[07:28] <arrith> data_: try    -o ro,force
[07:28] <arrith> for read only
[07:28] <data_> ?
[07:29] <data_> so i type mount -o ro
[07:29] <data_> ?
[07:29] <arrith> data_: instead of   -o force   do instead    -o ro,force
[07:29] <arrith> data_: ro and force   -o ro,force
[07:30] <data_> i dont get what you mean im sorry
[07:31] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o force,ro
[07:31] <arrith> data_: instead of
[07:31] <arrith> data_: sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o force
[07:31] <arrith> ",ro" at the end
[07:32] <arrith> or
[07:32] <data_> oot@data:/home/data/Desktop# sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/external -o force rontfs-3g: You must specify exactly one device and exactly one mount point.
[07:33] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /media/external
[07:34] <data_> root@data:/home/data/Desktop# sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /media/externalfuse: failed to access mountpoint /media/external: No such file or directory
[07:34] <data_> root@data:/home/data/Desktop#
[07:34] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /media/external
[07:34] <arrith> oh
[07:34] <arrith> data_:    sudo ntfs-3g -o force,ro /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[07:35] <arrith> data_: second one
[07:35] <data_> ok now the drive is gone
[07:35] <data_> off the deskto
[07:35] <arrith> data_: that's ok, do
[07:35] <arrith> data_:   xdg-open /mnt
[07:36] <data_> ok all the files show locked
[07:37] <arrith> data_: you can copy them off
[07:37] <arrith> data_: backup the files you want, then you can delete the partition to make use of the space
[07:37] <data_> i dragged the file to the desktop
[07:38] <data_> now i cant open anything on the dekstop
[07:38] <data_> incldin my home folder
[07:38] <arrith> data_: to read some files, you might have to do      gksu thunar /mnt
[07:38] <data_> im talking about the desk top
[07:38] <data_> my home folder
[07:38] <data_> or any icons
[07:39] <data_> oh i had to
[07:39] <data_> close that stupid error box
[07:39] <arrith> data_: what was the error?
[07:39] <data_> member when i tried to first open up the drive
[07:39] <data_> it was giving me that error
[07:39] <data_> i still had the box open
[07:40] <arrith> oh
[07:40] <arrith> data_: good. well that's how you copy your data off, that ntfs-3g line and then xdg-open
[07:40] <data_> no once i get the files off is there a command i can type to format
[07:40] <data_> and make the drive usable?
[07:40] <arrith> data_: you might want to copy the files you want to keep off of xubuntu somewhere safe, then do a reinstall that uses the entire drive
[07:41] <arrith> data_: it might be easier
[07:41] <arrith> data_: if you want to learn, to partition you can use the gparted tool
[07:41] <data_> well i have two drives
[07:41] <data_> one drive has ubuntu on it
[07:42] <data_> the second drive was just a extra one
[07:42] <arrith> data_: well you can use it however you want to
[07:42] <data_> i cant just enter a command to format that drive we just got opend and make it appear back on desktop
[07:43] <arrith> if you have regular backups, doing a raid 0 for speed is always nice
[07:43] <arrith> data_: you can do    umount /mnt    then right click it on the desktop and there might be a 'format' option
[07:45] <xubuntu108> Anybody help please, I can't install VLC in xubuntu 13.1
[07:45] <data_> arrith
[07:45] <data_> the drive showed back up
[07:45] <data_> but when i right click
[07:45] <data_> it gives me no option to format
[07:46] <arrith> xubuntu108: paste the error you get to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <data_> just open and i cant open because that errorr
[07:46] <arrith> data_: ah, you'll have to use gparted then. but before you do any formatting stuff make sure you have all the data you want
[07:46] <arrith> data_: all the data you want from it copied off to a safe place
[07:46] <data_> yeah
[07:46] <data_> i do
[07:47] <data_> can you please give me the command? sorry if im annoying u
[07:47] <arrith> data_: https://www.google.com/#q=how+to+format+gparted
[07:47] <data_> ok thank you
[07:47] <arrith> data_: top result, How to Format a USB Drive in Ubuntu Using GParted - How-To Geek www.howtogeek.com
[07:47] <data_> ill give it a go if not ill come back
[07:47] <data_> thanks so much for ur help
[07:48] <arrith> Unit193: -o ro,force worked
[09:42] <Beryl> There's no graphical way to disable guest logins is there? If i remember you add guest=disable or something to lightdm.conf
[11:51] <brauleinchen> I took a set of pictures with a sony camera and xubuntu 13.10 doesnt recognize the unit
[11:53] <baizon> brauleinchen: check the format of the picutre
[11:53] <brauleinchen> i cannot acces any data, all the camera shows is "usb mode connecting"
[11:56] <baizon> brauleinchen: check the dmesg info
[11:56] <brauleinchen> baizon, how do I do that?
[11:57] <baizon> brauleinchen: open terminal and type dmesg
[11:57] <brauleinchen> yes, it does list the camera
[11:58] <baizon> brauleinchen: pls post the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[11:58] <brauleinchen> uffff
[11:58] <brauleinchen> long string
[11:58] <baizon> mark and copy?
[11:58] <knome> brauleinchen, dmesg | pastebinit
[11:59] <brauleinchen> rellaaY
[11:59] <baizon> hmm, didnt know that. Thanks knome :)
[11:59] <brauleinchen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7113672/
[11:59] <brauleinchen> COOL
[12:03] <brauleinchen> is this a drivers issue?
[12:31] <momo_eleven> dou you know where i can find the std xubuntu xfce menu?
[12:50] <baddog05> good morning
[12:53] <baddog05> I am a noob at xubuntu and need some help, anyone want to help an old man cross the street?
[12:56] <knome> baddog05, welcome! just ask your question and if somebody knows the answer, they will most probably reply
[12:57] <baddog05> cool thanks
[12:58] <baddog05> I have just installed xubuntu on hyper v and just can not seem to get it to work wirelessly to my network through the host system. i have tried bridging etc. no avail, unless i am doing it wrong. wired works fine. just trying to learn the system
[13:09] <GridCube> baddog05, at that level (hardware) xubuntu shares the same settings than any ubuntu, maybe if no one knows here you can get a responce in other channels, or you dont have to limit your search on internet to xubuntu, any answer you find for ubuntu "should" work, enphasis in should
[13:12] <baddog05> thanks. yeah for some reason just not clicking. just like anything else, will have to keep hammering at it. since i am pretty new at it, i can not count out user error. once i get past this i can start getting a little deeper into things.
[13:32] <akis> hi all. i am running 12.04 and for file manager i am using dolphin. since last week every time i pluged a usb stick or a sd card dolphin recognised it automatically and placed it under trash icon. suddenly this stopped and every time i am plugging the usb stick i have to choose 'show all entries' in left panel to see usb stick and use it. any idea about a solution on this this issue?
[13:40] <nlsthzn> possible bug issue / after a reboot the panel I have on the second display will show the the open windows from the primary display in the "Windows Button" item and not the windows from the secondary screen.  When I select and then again deselect "Show windows from all monitors" for "Windows Buttons" it resumes working correctly...
[13:40] <euryale> hi guys!
[13:40] <GridCube> akis, dolphin is from kde, i would suggest you to ask on a kde related channel :)
[13:41] <GridCube> !hi | euryale
[13:42] <euryale> do u guys know how to configure xfce so it will not conflict with compiz's plugins like the alt+tab.
[13:42] <akis> GridCube: thanks. i went already in kubuntu (although i am running xubuntu).
[13:44] <GridCube> euryale, did you replaced xfwm4 with compiz? if you do then all the keyboard stuffs should go to compiz, but remember that compiz itself is not supported in any way by xubuntu
[13:45] <euryale> ? @gridcube im confuse, i just installed compiz that's all, i don't know about replacing everything in xfce.
[13:45] <euryale> or how do i do that ? :D
[13:46] <euryale> workspaces doesn't work too.
[13:46] <GridCube> euryale, press alt-f2 and do "compiz --replace" or something like that, again, if you do we will not be able to give you support here, you will have to go to a compiz channel
[13:47] <euryale> oh ok. yes i did that, and have it start upon login. ok i will try the compiz channel i hope someone's active.
[13:48] <GridCube> euryale, good luck :)
[13:48] <euryale> lolol the last time i checked, no one's actually there to help.
[13:50] <GridCube> sorry about that, compiz is pretty much a dying project
[13:52] <euryale> sad about that. i tried compton last night, i was not happy, it's ok. but not my type.
[14:16] <openess> I'm having wierd trouble with the live-cd (on USB) On my old machine it works just fine, but on my new computer it hangs when I click "try xubuntu".
[14:18] <openess> ther's a bunch of lines on the screen, but I don't know how best to copy them to you
[14:20] <openess> the weird part (i think) is that it doesn't seem to be a boot problem (since it first boots and then hangs on my clicking try) but still the copy works with my other computer, so I don't think it's a bad write
[14:23] <openess> the last line of output looks like a couple of lines jumbled: "Stopping Restore Sound Card Statedaemonrypted block devicesrrt/stop"
[14:26] <openess> could it be a hardware support issue, I have no idea how to go about solving (or diagnosing) that.
[15:26] <holstein> openess: i would think, GPU driver support
[15:27] <holstein> !nomodeset
[15:27] <holstein> openess: sometimes, i'll suggest installing with a minimal iso, and adding a proprietary driver if available, *then* running/installing the desktop.. or, using a custom xorg.conf with the vesa driver to get in and get started
[15:33] <openess> holstein: thanx. nomodeset did the trick, and I'm now in live mode.
[15:35] <openess> I havn't used *buntu in a very long time so driver management and rarely used settings are precisely the thing I don't know how to do.
[15:38] <holstein> openess: ideally, the manufacturer allows linux to be able to support you.. or, they support linux themselves.. if not, then, it can be challenging
[15:45] <openess> I've used arch for the last couple of years, and am now installing for my grandmother. I thought HP would be a safe choice, I have good experience with their computers
[15:46] <holstein> openess: i find its generally "best" to go with what you can maintain the easiest.. the hardware support will be the same for most any distro
[15:55] <xubuntu530> Hi Can you help me? I am just a beginner with xubuntu. I need to change usage of my laptop battery from economy mode(59%)  to full charge mode. Could not find how to do that...
[15:56] <holstein> xubuntu530: thats not whats hapenning.. there is no mode for using only 59% of your battery
[15:56] <holstein> xubuntu530: its just reporting that.. and that can be due to bad/old hardware.. or, the bios reporting incorretly, or the software not being able to comunicate with the hardware
[15:57] <holstein> xubuntu530: the battery live will seldom be "better" in linux.. so, if you are getting a similar or a bit less amount of time from the battery, that is to be expected
[16:03] <xubuntu530> hardware is new. I have Lenovo laptop with Power Management and had Windows before and then i got xubuntu instead/ With Windows i could choose between 59% battery mode and full charge/ Then i installed xubuntu and cant change economy mode now/
[16:03] <holstein> xubuntu530: lenovo doesnt support linux
[16:03] <xubuntu530> i know
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu530: so, whatever economy mode was, was likely something etiher in the bios that you can disable, or as i said above, something the software cant communicate with
[16:04] <holstein> xubuntu530: there is no
[16:04] <holstein> "mode" in linux that will use 60% of the battery like that
[16:04] <holstein> there is cpu scaling, and things to make the battery potentially last longer.. but, typically, the battery life just takes a hit
[16:07] <xubuntu530> but it stuck now on economy mode and i cant chang it. So there is no option to change it? I tried the bios already((
[16:09] <holstein> xubuntu530: nothing about linux or xubuntu is going to prevent that from being changed.. but, if there is a proprietary application in windows that is provided by lenovo to windows only, that may be the only way to set that settings, whatever it is
[16:09] <holstein> xubuntu530: i once had to take a LUG members machine, and install windows xp on it to be able to enable the wifi adapter on an HP machine due to a similar situation
[16:10] <openess> what does "stuck in economy mode" mean. what does it do? doesn't it charge, or does it lower performance?
[16:10] <holstein> xubuntu530: i would look around the web for "lenovo model number ubuntu" and see what comes up
[16:11] <xubuntu530> it charge but only to 59%. I have a flight tomorrow so i wanted to chang it to full charge to watch movie...
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu530: i dont think so
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu530: i really think economy mode is more about the cpu speed, and making the battery last longer
[16:12] <holstein> xubuntu530: i think, as i said, the battery is just being reported at 59%
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu530: your battery life will not be as good in linux as it was in windows.
[16:13] <cfhowlett> sad but true
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu530: if you'd like some help searching the net, state the model of the lenovo you have.
[16:15] <openess> holstein: that depends on the linux dist, but with all the flashy software we love so much about ubuntu, it is true.
[16:18] <xubuntu530>  lenovo-g580
[16:19] <holstein> well, the fact is, any manufacturer is able to and encouraged to support the machines they make in linux.. but, typically they do not
[16:19] <holstein> and, its actually has little to do with the distro, openess .. its more about the module support in the kernel
[16:20] <holstein> you can turn off "flashy".. but, you can address kernel driver support as easily
[16:22] <holstein> xubuntu530: i dont read anything online that supports the issue you are stating.. i dont think the battery is at 60%.. i think its reporting to be there
[16:23] <holstein> xubuntu530: there is no mode that uses only 60% of the battery. economy mode should be, as i suggested, about using less resources and making the battery last longer
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu530: i think you are assuming the mode is using only 60% of the battery.. in linux, you may get the battery reporting 60%, but actually be full
[16:24] <xubuntu530> there was such a mode with lenovo power manager
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu530: what i suggest is, look for and apply all upgrades, and let the machine run, and see how the battery bahaves
[16:25] <holstein> xubuntu530: i dont think so, friend
[16:25] <holstein> xubuntu530: that makes no sense. the mode is to use less resources for the battery to last longer.. its not about using "less battery".. meaning physically less of the battery
[16:29] <holstein> xubuntu530: you may want to keep windows around on the machine to communicate to the hardware the changes you are wanting..
[16:31] <openess> holstein: you're right that it doesn't have a lot to do with the dist. I simplified, possibly wrongly, that different dists use different amounts of battery based on the software they ship, and expect the user to run.
[16:31] <xubuntu530> Can i make it using Virtual Box?
[16:32] <holstein> xubuntu530: thats a quation for the manufacturer.. but, i dont think lenovo will allow you to communicate that through a VM.. or with the assumed application in wine
[16:32] <holstein> xubuntu530: what do i think is going on? i think there was a mode in the OS, and you are assuming, since the battery monitor is reporting 60% that there is a problem
[16:34] <xubuntu530> i just wanted to have my laptop on a trip longer tomorrow
[16:34] <holstein> xubuntu530: sure, and nothing here is preventing that, friend.. but, you are assuming anything is wrong
[16:35] <xubuntu530> yes coz if i cant chang....
[16:36] <holstein> xubuntu530: there may be nothing to change
[16:40] <phunyguy> hello, I am trying to test out Xubuntu 12.04.4, and in the release notes, it says it comes with the saucy kernel.  However, it does not, and this laptop absolutely refuses to work with the 3.2 kernel.
[16:40] <phunyguy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Ubuntu_Kernel_3.11
[16:40] <phunyguy> is there any way around this or am I boned?  Thanks
[16:41] <holstein> phunyguy: youcan always use whatever kernel you like
[16:41] <Unit193> phunyguy: How far can you get?
[16:41] <xubuntu530> ok/ will try battery capacity tomorow / Thanks for your time
[16:41] <phunyguy> can't even get to desktop, and there is no network adapters present
[16:42] <phunyguy> holstein: I would love to, but I can't even install or use live cd
[16:42] <phunyguy> I tried 14.04, but it is not ready, lol.
[16:42] <holstein> at this point, i would just go forward
[16:42] <phunyguy> booooooooooooo
[16:42] <behrooz> hello , how i can install kernel 3.11 on xubuntu 12.04.0
[16:42] <phunyguy> :(
[16:43] <phunyguy> behrooz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#LTS_Hardware_Enablement_Stack
[16:43] <phunyguy> `sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-saucy xserver-xorg-lts-saucy `
[16:44] <phunyguy> holstein: why don't the release notes match the scenario?  :(
[16:44] <phunyguy> makes me sad.
[16:44] <holstein> phunyguy: typo? pretty sure the moneyback gurantee still stands ;)
[16:45] <Unit193> The issue was pointed out on the ML too, not sure why it was written that we have the enablement stack.
[16:45] <phunyguy> grumblecakes.
[16:45] <phunyguy> ahh well.  Was just trying it on a whim.
[16:45] <Unit193> What was wrong with Trusty?
[16:45] <behrooz> phunyguy:this kernel is ok ? i feel kernel 3.8 on my xubuntu more use battery ? dose kernel 3.11 better than 3.8 ?
[16:46] <Unit193> I personally use 3.10 on my Saucy box, but that's unsupported and another story. :P
[16:47] <openess> I'm now having network issues with the live-usb. The (wireless) network first connects, but after less than a minute it disconnects, and is then unable to connect (to any network) again. reboot has reproduced this behaviour
[16:48] <holstein> openess: what device? is it a broadcom chip?
[16:48] <openess> sometimes I do and sometimes I don't get the error "(32) Connection could not be found."
[16:51] <Morrog> hello :) for those that remember me from yesterday: i had an issue with xscreensaver/xflock4 interacting poorly with dpms. i managed to swap xscreensaver/xflock4 with a combination of xautolock and i3lock. now after a certain idle time, the backlight is shut off completely. works like a charm for me.
[16:52] <Morrog> thank you anyway for listening
[16:52] <Unit193> Nice, thank you for giving feedback to whoever may be here.
[16:52] <Morrog> no problem :)
[16:57] <openess> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=se&lc=sv&dlc=sv&tmp_geoLoc=true&docname=c04019280
[16:57] <openess> that's the one.
[17:13] <holstein> openess: i had a broadcom chip that was acting like that.. i eventually just swapped it out.. you can open a terminal and run "lspci" and see what wifi chip is listen
[17:13] <holstein> !wifi > openess
[17:14] <holstein> ^ that might have some handy info on determining as well..
[17:26] <behrooz> i use xubuntu 12.04.4 with kernel 3.8.0-37 generic , on lennovo G-500 with intel hd 4000 vga
[17:27] <behrooz> now i want upgrade kernel to 3.11 ,is battery consumption an kernel 3.11 less than it at kernel 3.8 ?
[17:28] <holstein> behrooz: you'd have to try it on your specific hardware.. i suggest just upgrading to 14.04 when its released in a few weeks
[17:29] <holstein> behrooz: you can then easily test the 14.04 live and see how it works with your hardware before installing.. even do some battery tests if you like that should be quite relevant from the live CD
[17:29] <behrooz> which version kernel use in 14.04 ?
[17:29] <behrooz> is it 8.12 ?
[17:30] <holstein> behrooz: you can use uname -a to see what is in your 12.04
[17:30] <behrooz> i know it . 14.4 lts use kernel 3.11 or 3.12 ?
[17:30] <Unit193> 13
[17:34] <behrooz> has release xfce 4.12 ?
[17:35] <Unit193> Xfce 4.12 doesn't exist, but Xubuntu 14.04 has bits of 4.11
[19:25] <astraljava> Hey dudes and dudettes. Anyone have an idea how to resize the panel(s) after an external display has been disconnected during suspend?
[19:26] <astraljava> Currently it seems to remember the overall size (horizontally) that the two displays (laptop screen + external display) had combined, and thinks the panel(s) should occupy that whole space still.
[19:30] <astraljava> Okay, xrandr seems to do the trick easily with the -s option, so I guess I'll just work with that whenever it happens again, if it keeps happening.
[19:31] <astraljava> Sorry for the noise. :) Please return to your regularly scheduled programme.
[19:31] <behrooz> hello everyone , i have question for run source browser plugin in gedit 3.4.1
[19:31] <behrooz> may i have question here ?
[21:42] <lokote_jones> My laptop has a HD3200M video card in it. The driver for it under linux is available from ATI but it requires ia32 libs. Xubuntu is now using multiarch and the driver bricks the installation without the ia32 (I tried to force install it and I lost X). Can someone help me or tell me how to make ia32 drivers work under xubuntu?
[21:44] <lokote_jones> (I would consider paying USD's for a fix to this - like $25 or something... a game on steam or something? --- puttin a bounty on it. lol)
[21:44] <holstein> lokote_jones: there should be a few options.. have you tried the open driver? and the one in the repos?
[21:44] <Hedgework> lokote_jones: The narrative you just provided suggests that either a different driver or a custom-compiled kernel will be required, however I have no specific experience with that card on Xubuntu.
[21:44] <lokote_jones> holstein: When I open the driver window it doesn't like any alternative drivers as being available.
[21:44] <lokote_jones> list*
[21:44] <holstein> lokote_jones: ok.. have you tried the open one and any from the repos, then?
[21:44] <holstein> !ati > lokote_jones
[21:45] <holstein> ^ thats what i always refer to
[21:45] <lokote_jones> holstein: Thanks. I'll go read into it. I think the open driver doesn't support my card but I will experiment and pop back in if it doesn't work.
[21:46] <holstein> lokote_jones: you shouldnt need a 32bit driver..
[21:47] <Beryl> why is guest login even enabled? it's a huge security hole since you can pwn any desktop
[21:48] <holstein> Beryl: if you can touch the machine, then, you can use the recovery kernel to "pwn"..
[21:48] <holstein> for me, the guest account is more about someone using the machine that you want to give a "safe" environment to
[21:48] <lokote_jones> http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/legacy?product=Legacy2&os=Linux%20x86_64 That is the 64bit driver.
[21:48] <Beryl> recovery can have a password...
[21:48] <lokote_jones> But it requires 32 bit packages
[21:49] <holstein> Beryl: no.. you can encypt the data..
[21:49] <Beryl> don't bother with really old amd drivers, the open source ones work fine
[21:49] <Beryl> AMD's latest FGLRX for 7000+ are good but all of the old GPUs have better OSS drivers
[21:49] <lokote_jones> Beryl: My vid card is a 3xxx but I think the open source ones only go back to 5xxx
[21:49] <holstein> Beryl: that is not for your, friend.. its for lokote_jones
[21:50] <Beryl> I know....
[21:50] <Beryl> lokote_jones: try xorg edgers and use the latest kernel, should run ok
[21:52] <lokote_jones> Beryl: Could you shoot me a link to instructions on doing that? I have never used the edgers ppa.
[21:52] <Beryl> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[21:52] <Beryl> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[21:52] <Beryl> that repo generally has the newest drivers for all GPus
[21:53] <Beryl> open and closed
[21:53] <lokote_jones> Once I add that ppa; How do I know what driver to pull for my card?
[21:53] <holstein> lokote_jones: the same open one
[21:54] <Beryl> well  you first apt update, then just upgrade everything
[21:54] <holstein> lokote_jones: it'll automatically update the open driver to the latest from that unsupported ppa
[21:54] <Beryl> even though it's an "unsupported" ppa it has thousands of users, including canonical guys
[21:54] <holstein> i have used that ppa.. its a good idea to try it.. i prefer that to the proprietary one from the site
[21:54] <lokote_jones> holstein: Thanks. Beryl: Thanks. It takes a second for the update to work. I'll do a sudo apt-get upgrade next.
[21:55] <holstein> *all* ppa's are unsupproted
[21:55] <lokote_jones> The upgrade; she has begun. Wish me luck.
[21:56] <Beryl> if things go wrong, panic
[21:57] <Beryl> I'm on  14.04... i had to manually install an older clib so firefox would work :-/
[21:57] <Beryl> strange, I had no issues except for a regression from an update
[22:04] <Beryl> xfce runs nice and quick on my old little intel ssd... so much more reliable than any other one i've used, 24/7 os boot drive since 2009
[22:25] <xubuntu193> i'm looking to access a very old ipod touch to remove old music and add some newer stuff. I plugged in my ipod touch into my laptop that has Xubuntu, hoping it would be seen as an external storage device, but no... any suggestions as to how i can do this?
[22:26] <Beryl> there's several free ipod apps in the repo


[05:51] <mborzecki> morning
[07:48] <kalikiana> good morning o/
[07:53] <mborzecki> any idea why cassandra is no longer listed in `snap find --section=database` ?
[07:59] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[07:59] <pstolowski> morning!
[08:01] <mborzecki> pstolowski: what do you know about cassandra snap?
[08:01] <pstolowski> mborzecki, zero
[08:01] <mborzecki> linode:debian-9-64:tests/main/searching is failing because cassandra is no longer listed in the output of `snap find --section=database`
[08:03] <mborzecki> judging by the comments, it's amd64 only, and the test, if running on amd64, will try to look it up in the store
[08:07] <mborzecki> pstolowski: any ideas why it might be gone now?
[08:09] <pstolowski> mborzecki, oh, i see. i guess it doesn't really matter, we should just change the test to search something else
[08:09] <pstolowski> mborzecki, mongo33 looks like a good candidate
[08:10] <mborzecki> pstolowski: is it also amd64 only?
[08:13] <pstolowski> mborzecki, yes
[08:51] <mup> PR snapd#4400 opened: tests/main/searching: handle changes in featured snaps list <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4400>
[08:53] <mborzecki> pstolowski: can you take a look ^^
[08:53] <pstolowski> looking
[09:20] <Chipaca> morning peeps. How's things today?
[09:23] <pstolowski> Chipaca, hey! mind taking a look at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4400, tat should unblock tests
[09:23] <mup> PR #4400: tests/main/searching: handle changes in featured snaps list <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4400>
[09:32] <kalikiana> d'oh was looking a while for a "missing" property, only to notice later self wasn't the right object
[09:32]  * kalikiana coffee break
[09:48] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: good morning
[09:48] <pstolowski> hey zyga-ubuntu !
[09:48] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi, master is also red with overall timeout atm
[09:48] <zyga-ubuntu> how are you doing?
[09:48]  * zyga-ubuntu looks at the snowstorm outside
[09:48] <zyga-ubuntu> I'm not doing my usual outdoor stuff today
[09:48] <zyga-ubuntu> decided to hop in to see how you are all doing
[09:49] <pstolowski> zyga-ubuntu, i'm good, thanks! how are your holidays?
[09:49] <pedronis> Chipaca: so reducing to two jobs didn't help (much),   start to suspect some network ops that are slow most of the times,  but not always?
[09:50] <zyga-ubuntu> pstolowski: good :-) I feel much more at ease than before
[09:50] <Chipaca> pedronis: should i bump it back up then?
[09:50] <zyga-ubuntu> and catching up on loads of things I put off at home :)
[09:50] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: dude, if you pop in, we're just going to tell you about things that are broken :-)
[09:50] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: haha
[09:50] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: what's broken? :)
[09:51] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: JamieBennett
[09:51] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: believe me, usually I'm outside by now but it's snowing so badly I'm not doing that now
[09:51] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: we broke the boss
[09:51] <zyga-ubuntu> ??
[09:51] <pedronis> Chipaca: I don't know
[09:51] <zyga-ubuntu> is jamie allright?
[09:51] <koza> zyga-ubuntu, hey, snowing. cmon nice sun here
[09:51] <pedronis> Chipaca: we need to understand what is slow
[09:51] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: all his snaps are stateless
[09:51] <zyga-ubuntu> koza: WAT, where are you?
[09:51] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: bah
[09:52] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: it looks like all his snaps can't talk to dbus
[09:52] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: rm -rf ~/snap ?
[09:52] <JamieBennett> zyga-ubuntu: I'm fine but yesterday was a day of finding a tonne of bugs it seems
[09:52] <mborzecki> zyga-ubuntu: hey, too bored vacationing? :)
[09:52] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: apparmor denials?
[09:52] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: no obvious unexpected denials
[09:52] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzecki: hehe, just stuck at home for the day
[09:52] <zyga-ubuntu> Chipaca: any missing dbus rules?
[09:52] <koza> zyga-ubuntu, LDZ
[09:52] <zyga-ubuntu> (not apparmor, dbus)
[09:52] <Chipaca> zyga-ubuntu: even things like opening a url didn't work i think
[09:52] <JamieBennett> zyga-ubuntu: everywhere from individual snaps to firmware issues with fwupdmgr, to USB C/Thunderbolt bugs
[09:52] <Chipaca> (and things worked here)
[09:52] <zyga-ubuntu> mmmmm
[09:52] <JamieBennett> Chipaca: that was a bug with unity -> Gnome Shell
[09:52] <Chipaca> JamieBennett: did you get a priest in
[09:53] <zyga-ubuntu> JamieBennett: what happens when you run snap run --shell in hello-world and then run xdg-open http://example.org
[09:53] <JamieBennett> Chipaca: on upgrade the .desktop file for Chrome when it is pinned to the dock does not contain %u so no urls were working when passed in
[09:54] <Chipaca> JamieBennett: chrome, not chromium?
[09:54] <JamieBennett> zyga-ubuntu: the url thing was a Chrome issue
[09:54] <JamieBennett> Chipaca: Chrome, yes
[09:54]  * JamieBennett should switch to Chromium
[09:54] <mborzecki> or firefox :)
[09:55]  * zyga-ubuntu has one more AP to update and install at home
[09:55] <Chipaca> JamieBennett: that's a really old bug: https://askubuntu.com/a/729555/711
[09:55] <JamieBennett> mborzecki: I'd love to but HO's dont work for me and all my passwords are in Chrome so it would take some time to migrate
[09:55] <zyga-ubuntu> and then the backup disks for everything at home
[09:56] <JamieBennett> Chipaca: good find, I was barking up the wrong tree thinking it was a snap issue and debugging that
[09:56]  * zyga-ubuntu hugs everyone for using snaps and finding issues we will fix for everyone
[09:56] <Chipaca> JamieBennett: not so much a find as a memory
[09:56] <Chipaca> JamieBennett: :-)
[09:57] <JamieBennett> Chipaca: I now have the pleasure of tracking down this bug - https://pastebin.canonical.com/205517/
[09:58]  * Chipaca steps slowly away from the JamieBennett
[09:58] <JamieBennett> lol
[09:58] <zyga-ubuntu> on the other hand
[09:58] <zyga-ubuntu> star wars was fun
[09:58] <zyga-ubuntu> go and see it
[09:59] <JamieBennett> zyga-ubuntu: Booked for Christmas Eve, looking forward to it.
[09:59] <zyga-ubuntu> I'll look around for non-dubbed version, maybe without those distracting subtitles next
[09:59] <JamieBennett> I hear Yoda's back, some presenter on UK TV let it slip by accident
[09:59] <zyga-ubuntu> JamieBennett: I have no comment on the matter
[10:00] <JamieBennett> Well, its all over the UK news sites so hard to miss :(
[10:00]  * JamieBennett stops reading the news
[10:02] <zyga-ubuntu> JamieBennett: in my only comment I will say that the movie is better than I was expecting
[10:02] <zyga-ubuntu> JamieBennett: not sure if that says my expectations were low
[10:03] <JamieBennett> zyga-ubuntu: was it better than the last one?
[10:03] <zyga-ubuntu> JamieBennett: yes
[10:03] <JamieBennett> nice
[10:03] <zyga-ubuntu> JamieBennett: I think it ranks higher than some of IV-VI episodes
[10:05] <mborzeck1> last one as in 'rouge one' or 'the force awakens' ?
[10:05] <zyga-ubuntu> mborzeck1: FA, R1 is somewhat outside
[10:06] <zyga-ubuntu> at least for my comment above
[10:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#1755 closed: tests: collect the autopkgtest results and save them in git  <Created by elopio> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1755>
[11:19] <gsilvapt> hello all
[11:19] <gsilvapt> I'm trying to run the static tests and I'm getting an error: ./runtests.sh: line 58: codespell: command not found
[11:19] <gsilvapt> Any suggestions?
[11:20] <kalikiana> gsilvapt: you'll want to `sudo apt install codespell`
[11:21] <gsilvapt> thank you, kalikiana. I may have forgotten to install the dependencies required. I'll try again now
[11:25] <daniellimws> I think it should be pip instead of apt
[11:25] <daniellimws> or both should work
[11:25] <gsilvapt> daniellimws, yes, both work. I thought it was strange to have only apt working
[11:28] <cachio> pedronis, hey, is there any url to get the version of the core snap in edge, or beta?
[11:28] <Chipaca> so... why on earth is tests/main/interfacs-many taking 5 inutes?
[11:28] <cachio> pedronis, whithout using any header
[11:29] <Chipaca> cachio: you need to set some headers
[11:29] <Chipaca> cachio: why?
[11:30] <Chipaca> cachio: you need to at least set X-Ubuntu-Series
[11:30] <cachio> Chipaca, it is because I need to setup the trigger in jenkins and it just allow to add a url
[11:31] <cachio> Chipaca, is it possible to pass the series as part of the url?
[11:31] <Chipaca> cachio: i don't think so, no
[11:31] <Chipaca> cachio: but, give me a bit
[11:31] <mup> PR snapd#4401 opened: [WIP] snapstate/ifacestate: autoconnect tasks <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4401>
[11:31] <pedronis> no, all apis we have rely on headers
[11:32]  * pedronis lunch
[11:33]  * jamesh wishes the travis-ci logs weren't quite so verbose
[11:35] <Chipaca> cachio: do you need it for both edge and beta?
[11:36] <cachio> Chipaca, yes, but most important is edge
[11:41] <Chipaca> cachio: https://people.canonical.com/~john/core_edge.json
[11:42] <cachio> Chipaca, I dont have permiossions to see that
[11:42] <Chipaca> cachio: try again
[11:42] <cachio> great
[11:43] <cachio> Chipaca, where are yo creating this?
[11:43] <Chipaca> cachio: people.c.c
[11:43] <Chipaca> cachio: crontab :-)
[11:43] <Chipaca> cachio: how often should it check?
[11:44] <cachio> Chipaca, every 10 minutes
[11:45] <cachio> Chipaca, thanks, I'll add this to the jenkins jobs
[11:45] <Chipaca> cachio: any otoher data you need in that json?
[11:46] <cachio> not sure yet, but I think with that info we are ok
[11:47] <cachio> is it for amd64, right?
[11:47] <cachio> because I need for arm64 and armhf
[11:51] <cachio> Chipaca, I'll be back for the standup
[11:53] <cachio> Chipaca, I need these triggrers to run the edge validation on cm3 and dragonboard
[11:53] <Chipaca> cachio: i can easily change it to be per arch as well
[11:54] <Chipaca> cachio: different urls though; i'll tell you where when it's done
[11:54] <cachio> Chipaca, :)
[11:54] <cachio> Chipaca, great, thansks
[11:55] <cachio> Chipaca, I'll be back for daily
[11:55] <Chipaca> cachio: i'll probably be late for the daily
[11:55]  * cachio afk
[11:59] <Chipaca> cachio: https://people.canonical.com/~john/core/
[12:01] <anddam> Chipaca: I was trying to figure about Snappy and Ubuntu Core, I wasn't sure if it was a single project, two Canonical's projects working togheter with Core relying on Snappy, or a third party project that's just being used by Core
[12:01] <anddam> I got curious about "containerized" apps in a desktop system, so Ubuntu Core came out
[12:04] <mup> PR snapd#4397 closed: tests/main/lxd: temporarily switch to manual <Blocked> <Created by bboozzoo> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4397>
[12:05] <Chipaca> anddam: ubuntu core is a thing from before snappy
[12:05] <Chipaca> anddam: snappy ubuntu core is ubuntu core based on snappy
[12:05] <Chipaca> anddam: in snappy there is a special snap that is called 'core', jsut to keep people on their toes
[12:06] <Chipaca> (in seriousness, the snap called 'core' is or was when we started a lot like what used to be ubuntu core)
[12:06] <Chipaca> anddam: but note snaps aren't containerised as i understand that terminology; they're confined
[12:08] <Chipaca> mborzeck1: you mentioned a mvo script that analysed spread output, do you have that somewhere?
[12:08] <mborzeck1> Chipaca: https://gist.github.com/mvo5/06a206e991b0ae5a53606821dded4bdf
[12:09] <anddam> Chipaca: ah thanks for the info. What's the difference between being containerised and confined there?
[12:09] <Chipaca> mborzeck1: i was about to dig into interfaces-many's suspicious 5 minute test runs, but thught i should check all of them first
[12:09] <Chipaca> and, i need to run to the school -- will bbl
[12:10] <anddam> also does snappy aim to be a full system package manager, like can it be seen replacing apt on an ubuntu system at some point in future/
[12:10] <Chipaca> anddam: snaps get a restricted view of the actual system (possibly with a different filesystem)
[12:10] <anddam> s,/$,?
[12:10]  * Chipaca -> afk
[12:10] <anddam> k
[12:15]  * pstolowski lunch
[12:34] <mup> Bug #1738197 opened: Daemons do not have an /run/user/* dir created <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738197>
[12:43] <ackk> hi, I'm getting this error when trying to install a snap with "try": http://paste.ubuntu.com/26182870/ am I doing something wrong?
[13:02] <mborzeck1> pstolowski: standup
[13:02] <pstolowski> mborzeck1, coming
[13:02] <mborzeck1> cachio: standup
[13:03] <Chipaca> ackk: that's strange, let me test something locally
[13:03] <ackk> Chipaca, I think I found the issue, it seems I can't install the snap anymore in an LXD unless it's privileged
[13:04] <jdstrand> Chipaca: fyi, I helped him with opening urls, it was a local issue. it's sorted
[13:04] <ackk> (because of a systemd issue)
[13:04] <Chipaca> ackk: :-(
[13:05] <jdstrand> Chipaca: ah, I see you know that already :)
[13:06]  * jdstrand goes back to reading backscroll and commenting on things that no longer need discussion
[13:06]  * Chipaca hugs jdstrand
[13:09] <jdstrand> Chipaca: the syscall denial in https://pastebin.canonical.com/205517/ is for listen. that is not in the dbus interface (interesting)
[13:09] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: hey, would you mind trying something?
[13:09]  * jdstrand hugs Chipaca
[13:11] <jdstrand> oh, the new one better than force awakens? wow. /me tries to temper expectations
[13:12] <jdstrand> (I like force awakens a lot)
[13:12] <niemeyer> Hello!
[13:12] <jdstrand> hey niemeyer :)
[13:21]  * kalikiana going to lunch in ~10
[13:21] <kalikiana> niemeyer: o/ what's up
[13:24] <kalikiana> niemeyer: actually, would you have time for a quick chat? can be later today. there's something I wanted to ask you
[13:25] <kalikiana> (about architectures)
[13:26] <JamieBennett> hey jdstrand, sure
[13:26] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: hey. let me try to summarize the problem as I understand it
[13:27] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: the corebird snap isn't able to communicate on dbus and dies/stops working/doesn't work correctly
[13:27] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: is that accurate?
[13:28] <JamieBennett> jdstrand: Actually after more debugging I don't think it is a dbus issue
[13:28] <JamieBennett> I used dbus-monitor to see that the settings in Corebird were actually being set
[13:28] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: I saw a seccomp denial for 'listen'
[13:28] <niemeyer> kalikiana: Today and tomorrow will be somewhat tight as we're having a two-days meeting, but I will be around next week if we don't find a time slot
[13:28] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: so this would've caused some grief
[13:28] <JamieBennett> jdstrand: Corebird does not reflect the new settings in the UI
[13:29] <JamieBennett> jdstrand: happy to continue debugging though to see what the real issue is
[13:29] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: ok, the listen denial probably isn't the cause of that, but it is a bug in the dbus interface regardless
[13:29] <JamieBennett> ok
[13:30] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: but, if you wouldn't mind added this to /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/snap.corebird.corebird.src:
[13:30] <kalikiana> niemeyer: Alright. I'd say if there's time today that'd nice grand, but it's not an emergency so we can do it next week
[13:30] <jdstrand> listen
[13:30] <jdstrand> accept
[13:30] <jdstrand> accept4
[13:30] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: then running /snap/core/current/usr/lib/snapd/snap-seccomp compile /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/snap.corebird.corebird.src /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/snap.corebird.corebird.bin
[13:31] <jdstrand> JamieBennett: and then trying again, that would be great
[13:31] <JamieBennett> jdstrand: OK
[13:31] <mborzecki> i'm off to the 'christmas thing' at my son's kidergarten, bbl
[13:31] <jdstrand> I'm already preparing a PR for this regardless if it fixes your config issue
[13:32] <jdstrand> mborzecki: have fun!
[13:32]  * kalikiana going for lunch now
[13:37] <cachio> Chipaca, do you have the files for armhf and arm64?
[13:37] <Chipaca> cachio: https://people.canonical.com/~john/core/
[13:37] <niemeyer> cachio: I got the time wrong.. I need to head over to the meeting now, but will investigate this issue over the day and ping you when I have something
[13:38] <cachio> Chipaca, thanks a lot
[13:45] <cachio> niemeyer, sure, thanks
[13:46] <cachio> niemeyer, this is a good example https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapd/builds/316056668
[13:53] <Chipaca> so, interfaces-many legitimately takes 5 minuntes, because it does a 65 connects at an average of just over 4 seconds per connect
[13:53] <Chipaca> why does a connect take 4 seconds?
[13:57] <Chipaca> python3 -c $'import yaml;y=yaml.load(open("task.yaml"));\nfor i in ("execute","prepare","restore"):\n if i in y: open(i+".sh", "w").write(y[i])'
[13:57] <Chipaca> oops
[14:07] <sergiusens> elopio kalikiana can you enlighten me on why these cleanbuild/container builds fail https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapcraft/jobs/316397431
[14:37] <cachio> Chipaca, could you please dhance the version in the file https://people.canonical.com/~john/core/arm64_edge.json
[14:37] <cachio> I need to test if the trigger is workping properly
[14:39] <kalikiana> re
[14:42] <kalikiana> sergiusens: Looking
[14:43] <sergiusens> kalikiana if you find the reason, fix it up in a follow up PR to that one; I've skipped and logged a bug for that for now
[14:43] <sergiusens> running the actual tests is more important the having things green running against the wrong things
[14:51] <cachio> Chipaca, there?
[15:19] <mup> Issue snapcraft#1767 closed: stage-packages does not respect architectures <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/issue/1767>
[15:19] <mup> PR snapcraft#1788 closed: repo: error for packages with broken dependencies <Created by kalikiana> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1788>
[15:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#1447 closed: add support for the "contact" field in snapcraft <Created by mvo5> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1447>
[15:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#1579 closed: Make it possible to use the cmake ninja generator <Created by aleixpol> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1579>
[15:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#1726 closed: schema: sources should not have defaults <Created by sergiusens> <Closed by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1726>
[15:36] <mup> Bug #1738222 opened: FAIL: main_test.go:769: snapSeccompSuite.TestCompatArchWorks <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738222>
[15:47] <mup> PR snapd#4400 closed: tests/main/searching: handle changes in featured snaps list <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4400>
[15:52] <mborzecki> yay, at least one fire is put out
[15:53] <mborzecki> guys, if you have PRs open and they fail in tests/main/searching, then you pull the changes from master
[15:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#1807 opened: tests: run test_cleanbuild in LXD on Travis <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1807>
[15:59] <Chipaca> cachio: sorry was afk. can i still help?
[15:59] <Chipaca> (was at physio)
[15:59] <cachio> Chipaca, it is ok, I already validated the triggers
[16:00] <Chipaca> cachio: ok
[16:00] <Chipaca> cachio: now, what was the thing about images?
[16:00] <Chipaca> cachio: I can put .png files on p.c.c, but I don't think that's what you meant :-p
[16:04] <cachio> Chipaca, seems to be working well
[16:04] <cachio> Chipaca, tomorrow I'll check it again to see if the whole thing is working
[16:04] <cachio> Chipaca, hehe, no it is ok
[16:04] <cachio> Chipaca, I need to build the image that I use for cm3 on beta validation
[16:04] <cachio> so, when there is a new core snap in beta (armhf) I need to generate a new image to test the cm3
[16:04] <cachio> Chipaca, but, first I prefer to make the edge validation work properly and then go to beta
[16:04] <Chipaca> cachio: ok, fair enough
[16:05] <Chipaca> cachio: I don't know if p.c.c has any sort of a SLA though; if this is going to block work if it goes down, we should look into moving it somwehre more solid (my main aim was to unblock you today)
[16:05] <cachio> Chipaca, ok, in that case I can setup a service on prodstack
[16:06] <cachio> Chipaca, it was the original idea
[16:06] <Chipaca> cachio: right, that's a better solution long term
[16:06] <cachio> Chipaca, agree
[16:07] <cachio> Chipaca, thanks for the json files :)
[16:07] <Chipaca> cachio: i can share the super high tech software that's behind them if you want :-p
[16:07] <cachio> Chipaca, hehehe, yes please
[16:08] <cachio> I am imaging the for
[16:08] <Chipaca> cachio: https://people.canonical.com/~john/core/get-core
[16:08] <kalikiana> kyrofa: would you have time for a chat in a bit? about garmmar stuff
[16:09] <cachio> Chipaca, awesome
[16:15] <kalikiana> kyrofa: elopio: sergiusens  Also heads-up I'll be off tomorrow and back on Monday
[16:20] <mup> PR snapcraft#1803 closed: ci: correctly run from snap <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1803>
[16:22] <kyrofa> kalikiana, sure, let me know
[16:32] <kalikiana> kyrofa: in say 5 minutes? just got out of another meeting and getting a coffee
[16:33] <hurricanehrndz> Who helps pack the fedora rpm, I'm trying to update suse and I'm just trying to understand the differences and fix some of the issues
[16:35] <kyrofa> hurricanehrndz, that's Son_Goku
[16:35] <kyrofa> kalikiana, sure
[16:35] <hurricanehrndz> oh yeah that's right
[16:35] <Son_Goku> hurricanehrndz: hi
[16:36] <Son_Goku> what's up?
[16:36] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: I'm just trying to understand some of the linker flags used in the spec file for fedora
[16:37] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: I have suse build working, but I'm not ending up with static binaries for snap-exec and snap-update-ns, which I understand is required for base snaps
[16:37] <Son_Goku> yeah
[16:37] <Son_Goku> it's a tricky mess
[16:37] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Yup, I gather that much
[16:37] <Son_Goku> I had been trying to do the suse one myself, but the golang toolchain is screwy :(
[16:38] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Well, I'm almost there https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:hurricanehernandez:branches:system:snappy/snapd
[16:38] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: I'm just updating it.
[16:39] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: the go macros are especially troublesome and I see how you handle it on fedora, but I'm confused about the linker flags you use in your gobuild macro
[16:42] <hurricanehrndz> Could you please walk me through them, specifically the '-B' flag, which I thought was for static and dynamic linking but the spec file uses a random hex or is the hex the builduuid
[16:42] <Son_Goku> sure,
[16:42] <kalikiana> kyrofa: I'm in the weekly now
[16:45] <Son_Goku> hurricanehrndz, also, `gpg2` is not correct
[16:46] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Thanks. I started with the spec that was on github within snapcore, go figure
[16:46] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: ah.. I see you are going through my spec
[16:46] <Son_Goku> it has to be gpg1
[16:47] <Son_Goku> unfortunately, upstream snapd has not fixed their stuff to use gpg2 instead of gpg1
[16:48] <Son_Goku> I don't know why you're pulling in the 32-bit libs, though
[16:48] <Son_Goku> apparmor needs to be disabled on %suse_version < 1500
[16:49] <Son_Goku> hurricanehrndz: I guess you are going to only use vendored tarball?
[16:50] <kyrofa> kalikiana, sorry, hopping in now
[16:50] <Son_Goku> hurricanehrndz: also... bundling appears to still be outright banned in openSUSE: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Packaging_guidelines#Bundling_of_multiple_projects
[16:50] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Son_Goku: yes
[16:51] <kalikiana> No worries, I used the time to update some notes from today
[16:51] <kalikiana> Tedious but useful :-P
[16:53] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Hmm Yeah, I will see about unbundling later, I'm using zyga's work as a staring point
[16:56] <Son_Goku> hurricanehrndz: I'd suggest starting from my packaging and start from scratch
[16:56] <Son_Goku> I've made some effort to make the spec relatively portable
[16:57] <Son_Goku> the main thing that'll need to change is dropping the mandatory requires for snapd-selinux on snapd, since openSUSE supports either SELinux or AppArmor
[16:58] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Okay, I'm guess this is yours: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/packaging/fedora/snapd.spec
[16:58] <Son_Goku> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/snapd/blob/master/f/snapd.spec
[16:58] <Son_Goku> but yes
[16:58] <Son_Goku> the canonical source tree is always in src.fedoraproject.org
[16:58] <Son_Goku> I don't release from snapcore/snapd
[16:59] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku:Okay I will start there
[16:59] <hurricanehrndz> Can you explain to me the ldflags on line 52
[17:00] <Son_Goku> sure
[17:00] <Son_Goku> in Fedora, we put a great deal of effort to make Go generate useful debug symbols
[17:00] <Son_Goku> the ldflags there enable that
[17:01] <Son_Goku> iirc, SUSE doesn't quite care as much about making useful debuginfo as Fedora does
[17:01] <hurricanehrndz> Cool, what's '-B' flag do?
[17:02] <hurricanehrndz> I tried reading the linker's man page but could find info on the hex following the flag
[17:03] <Son_Goku> it's a weird go thing
[17:04] <Son_Goku> it basically forces a build-id to be injected into the binaries
[17:04] <Son_Goku> because rpm uses that for debuginfo splitting and packaging
[17:05] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Thought so... had a feeling but couldn't find documentation
[17:05] <hurricanehrndz> should have looked up go linker
[17:05] <hurricanehrndz> ha ha
[17:05] <Son_Goku> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/Go#Debuginfo
[17:05] <jdstrand> Chipaca: fyi, I'm looking into the corebird issue from JamieBennett. we may hand off to the desktop team if I can't reproduce
[17:06] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Thank you, love find documentation...
[17:06] <jdstrand> Chipaca: it seems unrelated to snapd
[17:06] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Awesome, you've been a great help, thanks everything you have done so far
[17:06] <Son_Goku> np
[17:06] <jdstrand> Chipaca: not 100% sure yet since I can't reproduce, but it doesn't look like it
[17:07] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: One more question, the vendor json specifies the exact versions of the supporting golibraries
[17:07] <Son_Goku> I ignore them
[17:07] <Son_Goku> aside from a few, they're mostly irrelevant
[17:08] <Son_Goku> the latest stuff that matches those library references work
[17:08] <hurricanehrndz> Son_Goku: Cool
[17:08] <Chipaca> jdstrand: ack
[17:08] <Chipaca> jdstrand: thank you!
[17:15] <kalikiana> sergiusens: FYI I couldn't find a way to reproduce the failing cleanbuild test locally, so I pushed snapcraft##1807  to expose the failure in Travis (which eats the errors by the looks of it) and will investigate this more on Monday - unless elopio beats me to figuring it out
[17:15] <mup> PR #1807: interfaces/builtin: allow /dev/vhci on bluetooth-control <Created by cwayne18> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1807>
[17:16]  * kalikiana hugs mup very affectionately
[17:16] <kalikiana> ^^ snapcraft#1807
[17:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#1807: tests: run test_cleanbuild in LXD on Travis <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1807>
[17:17]  * kalikiana wrapping up for today/ this week
[17:21] <elopio> snappy-m-o: let me introduce you to daniellimws.
[17:21] <snappy-m-o> Command ":" / ": let" not found.
[17:22] <elopio> no manners...
[17:22] <daniellimws> haha
[17:27]  * kalikiana hugs snappy-m-o
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> kyrofa: Is SNAPCRAFT_SETUP_CORE still necessary for building classic snaps inside docker containers?
[17:33] <kyrofa> flexiondotorg, if snapd can't run, it's necessary
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> Thanks
[17:34] <kyrofa> flexiondotorg, without some jiggery, docker falls into that category
[17:34] <kyrofa> Sure thing!
[17:39] <kalikiana> flexiondotorg: kyrofa it's becoming automatic as of snapcraft#1801 which will be in the next release
[17:39] <mup> PR snapcraft#1801: lifecycle: detect docker to auto setup core <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1801>
[18:04]  * Chipaca EODish
[18:50] <brunosfer> Hi guys, does anyone know how can I replicate the GET requests to the snapcraft API ? e.g. sudo snap info <snap name>
[18:50] <brunosfer> Is there any public API documentation?
[18:52] <diddledan> flexiondotorg: can I pm a sec?
[19:02] <Pharaoh_Atem> hurricanehrndz: everything going well with suse packaging of snapd?
[19:03] <hurricanehrndz> Pharaoh_Atem: Well I just started tackling, I got all the info I need.. just time is required...
[19:03] <Pharaoh_Atem> cool
[19:05] <hurricanehrndz> Pharaoh_Atem: are you on suse?
[19:11] <Pharaoh_Atem> hurricanehrndz: I'm on Fedora, openSUSE, and Mageia :)
[19:13] <hurricanehrndz> Pharaoh_Atem: Cool, I'll send you a msg once it's ready for testing
[19:24] <diddledan> flexiondotorg: tis ok, I got ahold of popey
[19:32] <mborzecki> brunosfer: try running snapd with SNAPD_DEBUG=1
[19:33] <mborzecki> brunosfer: example curl based on what's in the logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26184762/
[19:42] <brunosfer> mborzecki: I stopped the service snapd, but now I can't find the path to the snapd binary file...
[22:47] <mup> Bug #1738295 opened: snap auto-refresh re-installs removed snaps <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1738295>


[00:30] <Catalys> Whenever I do rebuild in Horizon, the OS doesn't seem to change or anything. Is this a known bug?
[11:56] <rick_h> lazyPower: ping when you're up and about please
[12:39] <lazyPower> rick_h: ping
[12:39] <rick_h> lazyPower: dude, how goes?
[12:40] <lazyPower> rick_h: i'm not sure, still working on the first cup of coffee :)
[12:40] <rick_h> lazyPower: can I steal 5min? I'll bring the energy, just finishing my first cup :)
[12:40] <lazyPower> sure 1 sec, i migrated laptops this weeekend, let me get signed into work services
[12:40] <rick_h> oooh, upgrade time?
[12:41] <lazyPower> its your old carbon ;)
[12:41] <rick_h> lol, awesome
[12:41] <rick_h> that thing is getting around :P
[12:42] <rick_h> lazyPower: I'm chillin in https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rick?authuser=1 when you get it worked out
[12:47] <magicaltrout> I was so happy to get rid of my old carbon
[12:53] <lazyPower> oh magicaltrout ?
[12:56] <magicaltrout> kids picked the keys off and you need new ones to replace them :)
[12:56] <magicaltrout> plus the screen res was pretty woeful ;)
[12:56] <lazyPower> the 1440 rez did throw me at first
[12:56] <lazyPower> but with i3 things scale pretty well
[12:57] <lazyPower> i3 is actually what brought me back to it from my crapple.
[12:58] <rick_h> I really liked it but it was too big when I was traveling like crazy
[12:58] <magicaltrout> Model name:            Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
[12:58] <magicaltrout> i got a dell instead
[12:58] <rick_h> of course I went too far with surface and that didn't last too long either
[12:58] <rick_h> magicaltrout: xps 13?
[12:58] <magicaltrout> 15
[12:58] <rick_h> biiiig
[12:59] <magicaltrout> its attached to 2 massive monitors, so in comparison its pretty small ;)
[12:59] <magicaltrout> the thunderbolt port to drive 2 hdmi outputs is pretty cool
[13:00] <rick_h> nice
[13:01] <magicaltrout> its also nice to not be on those embedded intel gfx chips as well
[13:01] <magicaltrout> not that i do much stuff thats 3d but they suck reasonably
[13:02] <lazyPower> yeah, i can understand that magicaltrout
[13:03] <lazyPower> my primary goal was to have a rig powerful enough to to day to day's and also not destroy my back when travelling
[13:03] <lazyPower> its a little underpowered in terms of being able to run a hangout AND run a deployment in lxd, but overall it does a decent job if i'm not really pushing it. And at the price point i picked it up at, it was almost a no brainer.
[13:08] <magicaltrout> i used to cycle to and from work 9 years ago with my laptop
[13:08] <magicaltrout> which was a 15inch Toshiba brick
[13:08] <magicaltrout> it used to weight a lot
[13:09] <magicaltrout> and I had a 15 mile each way ride over the yorkshire dales
[13:09] <magicaltrout> you just need to man up lazyPower ;)
[13:09] <lazyPower> i'll pass on the alpha goading :)
[13:09] <magicaltrout> ha
[13:09] <lazyPower> workouts are for the gym, not commutes
[13:10] <magicaltrout> i dunno, used to like feeling awake when i got to work compared to 90 mins on public transport
[13:16] <lazyPower> magicaltrout: this is why i walk every day after my morning meetings
[13:17] <lazyPower> I've been graphing this with google fit, which isn't a bad dashboard system for your health metrics
[13:17] <magicaltrout> from your office to the bathroom?
[13:17] <lazyPower> clever, :) only if thats a 2.3 - 3 mile hike
[13:17] <magicaltrout> nice
[13:17] <lazyPower> trying to turn it around broski
[13:17] <lazyPower> i've been lazy butt a bit too long
[13:48] <vlad_> Hey folks... quick question probably a simple answer.  If I'm deploying charms to a maas cluster... how much of the maas network configuration is exposed to those charms or does it override those previous settings completely?
[13:49] <vlad_> In this context I'm deploying the openstack base bundle to a set of maas nodes
[13:57] <rick_h> vlad_: so when you deploy you determine how the network is required. It doesn't really alter the network so much as leverage what's setup in maas as that's a hardwired setup.
[13:58] <rick_h> vlad_: you leverage spaces to control what containers on the machines are using which devices and such
[14:01] <vlad_> rick_h: First off thanks a ton! Secondly for example let's say I have a vlan in a space on a fabric with vlan tag 2030 and <IP_ADDRESS>/24 as the CIDR. If I configure my juju charm to use that CIDR it will know to use the vlan?
[14:02] <vlad_> The specific charm configuration option only allows the use of a CIDR that's why I'm asking
[14:03] <rick_h> vlad_: so when you deploy are you specifying any binding of to a space name?
[14:03] <rick_h> vlad_: e.g. https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.1/network-spaces
[14:03] <vlad_> rick_h: The machines in question I have bound to the space, but I didn't see any configuration options in doing so from within the juju charm itself.
[14:04] <rick_h> vlad_: right, normally it's part of the deploy command or the bundle description.
[14:04] <rick_h> vlad_: so that Juju knows "this application needs to request (from MAAS) a machine with interfaces on these spaces.
[14:04] <rick_h> vlad_: and then Juju can tell the charm "you've been asked to bind to space X" and it can adjust appropriately based on that request
[14:05] <vlad_> rick_h: Ok cool makes sense I think I'm doing it right then. Thanks again for your help!
[14:05] <rick_h> vlad_: k, let me know how it goes
[16:40] <bdx> good monday morning!
[16:41] <bdx> is there a preferred method for adding the JAAS controller?
[16:41] <bdx> other than `juju register jimm.jujucharms.com` ?
[16:42] <rick_h> bdx: in 2.2 it's juju login
[16:43]  * rick_h looks for release notes stuff
[16:43] <bdx> oh nice, but JAAS isn't there yet, so its still `juju register jimm.jujucharms.com`?
[16:44] <rick_h> bdx: you can s/register/login
[16:44] <rick_h> bdx: and that'll add it
[16:44] <rick_h> bdx: that's the new way in 2.2
[16:44] <bdx> rick_h: sweet! thx!
[17:13] <Budgie^Smore> o/ juju world
[17:14] <lazyPower> \o Budgie^Smore


[00:34] <rick_h_> ruh roh...
[01:25] <jjesse-home> evening y'all
[12:31] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:35] <rick_h_> morning
[13:03] <brousch> rick_h_: I don't always take your advice (Django, JQuery), but I appreciate having a knowledgeable opinion to weigh the hype against
[13:05] <rick_h_> :)
[13:06] <rick_h_> congrats on getting some python in there
[13:07] <brousch> I've had quite a bit in the background, but nothing the users touched
[13:08] <brousch> D00d, ipython got a $1.5million grant
[13:08] <rick_h_> huh?
[13:08] <brousch> http://mail.scipy.org/pipermail/ipython-dev/2012-December/010799.html
[13:09] <rick_h_> heh, that notebook stuff seems to be taking the world by storm
[13:10] <brousch> There's money in Python!
[13:32] <snap-l> Wow
[13:44] <snap-l> Oh, addendum to the "I get low spam" conversation: I use zen.spamhaus
[13:44] <snap-l> that gets rid of a ton without having to use spamassassin
[13:47] <brousch> I use Gmail
[13:47] <snap-l> Right, so do most folks.
[13:49] <brousch> I hated running my own spamassassin.  He may have had a fever last night, not sure.
[16:52] <rick_h_> yea, I think I slept with him a couple of nights when he was sick
[16:52] <brousch> We do that so at least one of gets a good night of sleep
[16:56] <snap-l> greg-g: Ugh, sorry to hear that.
[16:57] <jrwren> is he walking yet?
[17:04] <greg-g> kinda yeah
[17:04] <greg-g> like, 4 steps or so, just started trying last week, really
[17:06] <rick_h_> sweet!
[17:06] <rick_h_> the fun is coming
[17:06] <brousch> That is such an amazing thing
[17:06] <greg-g> it is awesome :)
[17:06] <greg-g> (on a call, but smiling thinking about him)
[17:06] <brousch> George worked so hard to walk for about a month.   HORRIBLE NON MILLIONAIRES WILL MOVE IN!
[19:06] <greg-g> it is the worst of exclusionary/class prejudice there is
[19:06] <jrwren> need more gentrification
[19:06] <greg-g> seriously, as I've said before, this Valley is too full of itself and should burn
[19:07] <brousch> yikes
[19:07] <greg-g> you can quote me on that, if you want
[19:15] <snap-l> greg-g: hoping for the moment when Californians go so far up their own asses as to create the smug singularity?
[19:16] <greg-g> yes
[19:17] <snap-l> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XTV-s4CC6Vw/UMjWSYX3eEI/AAAAAAAAH8w/jrt8JVH_pZA/w497-h373/ZRq4N.gif <- greg-g
[19:18] <brousch> smugularity
[19:18] <greg-g> :)
[19:18] <rick_h_> lol
[20:16] <snap-l> second cup of tea this afternoon


[01:51] <negronjl> SpamapS: I approved your merge request (https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/charms/oneiric/mediawiki/misc-fixes/+merge/89369)
[02:02] <SpamapS> negronjl: sweet thanks
[08:01] <nijaba> lynxman: reg certificate transfer, I would recommend you to have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~nijaba/charms/oneiric/drupal/nb (which is still waiting for a review - hint) as it is I think the best example.
[08:50] <lynxman> nijaba: thanks :)
[11:39] <tyska> hello guys
[11:39] <tyska> niemeyer: are u there?
[11:39] <niemeyer> tyska: I am indeed
[11:39] <niemeyer> tyska: How're things?
[11:40] <tyska> niemeyer: evolving
[11:40] <niemeyer> tyska: That's good :)
[11:41] <tyska> niemeyer: if someday you come to RG, come here to visit us
[11:41] <niemeyer> tyska: Will do.. where are you located?
[11:42] <tyska> i am on FURG - campus carreiros
[11:43] <niemeyer> tyska: Ok, any department/subdepartment?
[11:43] <tyska> yeah, Centro de Ciências Computacionais - C3
[11:44] <niemeyer> tyska: Nice name :)
[11:44] <_markh_> I'm using juju to set up some local (LCX) services on a single system. When that sys reboots, none of the services restart and juju status says "ERROR could not connect before timeout". How can I restore to the previously running state?
[11:45] <_markh_> LCX==LXC ... doh!
[11:45] <niemeyer> _markh_: Yeah, I could guess it :)
[11:45] <niemeyer> _markh_: There are two different angles to that question:
[11:46] <niemeyer> _markh_: The local LXC provider is really meant to be used for local experimentation
[11:46] <niemeyer> _markh_: Rather than for actual deployments
[11:46] <niemeyer> _markh_: So it won't survive a reboot
[11:47] <niemeyer> _markh_: The second angle is that the constraint of rebooting was inherited from the prototyping stages even for EC2
[11:47] <niemeyer> _markh_: So the story isn't great with the trunk code
[11:47] <niemeyer> _markh_: On the bright side, though, the code fixing that is up for review already
[11:48] <_markh_> That's OK - we're not looiking to deploy immediately with juju. As long as I know the contraints then all is well
[11:49] <_markh_> Good to hear that there are improvements in the pipeline (12.04 ? )
[11:49] <niemeyer> _markh_: Cool.. so yeah, definitely in good ground there. Don't use the local provider for real stuff.
[11:49] <niemeyer> _markh_: There's a _big_ pipeline :-)
[11:49] <_markh_> :)
[11:49] <niemeyer> _markh_: There's code landing every week, and there will be for the foreseeable future
[11:50] <tyska> niemeyer: do you have some new about that juju + eucalyptus problem?
[11:50] <_markh_> I'm really excited for juju. It could absolutely help with the deployment issues we struggle with.
[11:50] <_markh_> Thx.
[11:52] <niemeyer> tyska: Hmm.. sorry, do you have a bug number?
[11:52] <tyska> niemeyer: yeah, wait a minute
[11:52] <niemeyer> _markh_: That's great to hear.. it's indeed the kind of problem we're aiming at helping people on
[11:53] <tyska> niemeyer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/907450
[11:53] <_mup_> Bug #907450: juju does not work with Walrus when s3-uri has a suffix <Eucalyptus:New> <juju:New> <txAWS:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/907450 >
[11:56] <niemeyer> tyska: Not much action there yet
[11:57] <niemeyer> tyska: I'll clarify the problem for the folks asking
[12:01] <tyska> niemeyer: great, thanks! ;)
[12:03] <niemeyer> tyska: np, sorry it wasn't fixed yet
[12:04] <tyska> np
[12:48] <mpl> niemeyer: that carmack quote is brilliant :)
[12:48] <niemeyer> mpl: And true! :)
[12:48] <mpl> yep
[15:29] <Ng> I'm wondering about running juju in an openstack cloud - I know the juju docs currently say that only ec2 is supported as a cloud, but I'm guessing openstack support is coming. Is it something I can play with ahead of time if I run juju from, say, trunk?
[17:01] <lynxman> question, when a new charm is deployed, after finishing install it'll always execute config-changed?
[17:19] <hazmat> lynxman, more specifically.. it will always execute config-changed when starting the service before executing the start hook
[17:20] <hazmat> Ng, openstack is supported
[17:20] <lynxman> hazmat: yeah just realised :) silly me
[17:20] <lynxman> hazmat: thanks
[17:20] <hazmat> np
[17:21] <hazmat> ah.. the faq needs updating
[17:44] <mbarnett> hazmat: To run on an openstack implementation is it just a case of updating the type in environments.yaml to openstack and adding the appropriate keys there?
[17:48] <hazmat> mbarnett, the default-image-id also needs to be specified in addition to the ostack credentials.. on the openstack side we use the ec2 apis to talk to openstack so either s3server.py needs to be running or the swift s3 middleware.
[17:48] <mbarnett> hazmat: okay, thanks.
[17:51] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: it's possible I use openstack + s3?
[17:53] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, no.. the ec2/aws provider assumes the same credentials are valid for storage and compute, the s3 server could be setup just for juju's minimal storage usage if their isn't any need for the object storage server in the deployment
[17:54] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: I'm having problem to have the same authentication in nova and swift
[17:57] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, if your just looking to get started.. s3server.py is basically just a single module python s3 server (in nova), afaicr it doesn't even bother with verifying the signed url authentication.
[17:57] <hazmat> andrewsmedina, are you using keystone for both nova and swift?
[17:57] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: im using tempauth for swift
[18:05] <andrewsmedina> hazmat: I will try s3server.py instead swift
[18:40] <lynxman> hazmat: quick question for you sir, any easy way to know the zk instance address from a juju instance?
[18:41] <hazmat> lynxman, its in the cloud-init data, and environ of the agents
[18:42] <lynxman> hazmat: so how can I recover it from the environ?
[18:43] <hazmat> lynxman, cat /proc/<pid-of-agent>/env
[18:44] <hazmat> er. /environ
[18:44] <lynxman> hazmat: thanks :)
[20:18] <_mup_> juju/twisted-precise-compat r444 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:18] <_mup_> orchestra storage provider twisted 11.1 forward compatibility
[20:23] <hazmat> jimbaker, how goes?
[20:23] <hazmat> bcsaller, jimbaker would either of you mind looking at this trivial, it fixes the precise builds. https://code.launchpad.net/~hazmat/juju/twisted-precise-compat/+merge/89490
[20:24] <jimbaker> hazmat, good. did you have a chance to talk w/ bcsaller about niemeyer's review of the subordinate spec?
[20:24] <jimbaker> hazmat, i'll take a look at the trivial
[20:25] <hazmat> jimbaker, i didn't, i looked over the niemeyer's review though
[20:25] <jimbaker> imho, i don't really such much implementation difference between the two approaches
[20:25] <hazmat> bcsaller, give me a ping when your up for a chat re spec
[20:25] <hazmat> i'd still like to flush out the relation structure on disk
[20:25] <hazmat> er. zk
[20:25] <bcsaller> hazmat: I can do it in 2 minutes if you'd like
[20:26] <jimbaker> hazmat, as far as i could see, that's the only real diff, but it doesn't really carry into the impl - either is fine
[20:27] <hazmat> hey smoser what's cirros?
[20:27] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/cirros
[20:28] <smoser> in a nutshell, ttylinux-uec version 2.0
[20:28] <jimbaker> hazmat, +1 on the trivial
[20:28] <jimbaker> i appreciate the good doc on rationale
[20:28] <hazmat> jimbaker, thanks... took way to long to find that magic line
[20:29] <jimbaker> hazmat, definitely understand that! :)
[20:32] <bcsaller> hazmat: yeah, the trival looks fine, but the api around _completelyDone *sigh*
[20:33] <hazmat> bcsaller, what api ? ;-)
[20:33] <bcsaller> yeah
[20:33] <bcsaller> and why the default it has?
[20:33] <hazmat> bcsaller, because by default most http requests are request/response and done
[20:34] <bcsaller> I'd say most client code wants to follow redirects though
[20:34] <hazmat> bcsaller, this one just signals that it might be multiple request/responses before the semantic request result is obtained
[20:34] <hazmat> true
[20:36] <bcsaller> hazmat: want to have that talk now? shame gustavo isn't around
[20:40] <hazmat> bcsaller, sounds good re talk
[21:57] <SpamapS> hrm... "lightning" talks that are 15 minutes long.. more like thunder talks. :p
[22:30] <_mup_> juju/trunk r444 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:30] <_mup_> [trivial/merge] fix orchestra storage provider compatibility with twisted 11.1 [r=jimbaker,bcsaller][f=917954]
[22:46] <_mup_> juju/upgrade-config-defaults r432 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:46] <_mup_> merge trunk
[22:49] <_mup_> juju/upgrade-config-defaults r433 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:49] <_mup_> address review comments
[23:41] <_mup_> juju/trunk r446 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:41] <_mup_> merge upgrade-config-defaults, config values are lazily instantiated. [r=bcsaller,fwereade][f=900560]
[23:41] <_mup_> Previously configuration values where prepopulated from defaults, now
[23:41] <_mup_> values are lazily computed from explicitly set values, and defaults.
[23:41] <_mup_> For charm upgrades config values not explicitly set will recieve now new
[23:41] <_mup_> charm defaults.


[01:14] <valorie> hey tsimonq2
[01:15] <valorie> ricktimmis: not my jam, I'm afraid
[01:15] <valorie> :-)
 @Sick_Rimmit probably not. finding time is hard at the moment
 I keep getting real life things to do like that
[22:49] <valorie> real life can be such a drag
[22:49] <valorie> lol
 yeah. at least the car is fun, which is a bonus
[22:55] <valorie> new car is very fun!
[22:56] <valorie> life has be oh so much better since we got rid of tons of junk in the garage some years back
[22:56] <valorie> have not missed one bit of it
[22:57] <valorie> not that I drive my car very often any more
[22:57] <valorie> all my meetings are online!
 @valorie, I agree. To be fair, I would still not have been able to get in in the garage if it had not been a Mini, but it made me get rid of a lot of things that were pointless to keep.
[22:58] <valorie> my husband was on board with clearing the junk which was half the battle
[22:59] <valorie> gave away some, recycled LOTS of old papers, and filled the truck full of junk he took to the dump
[22:59] <valorie> far too much to use the garbage pickup
[23:00] <valorie> I've never ridden in a mini but they seem like very good cars
[23:00]  * valorie has a subaru
[23:01] <valorie> we need that all-wheel drive sometimes even around here, but always at our cabin in the mountains
 makes very much sense in your part of the world/US


[01:12] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Use This App to Schedule Restart/Shutdowns on Ubuntu @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/01/schedule-restart-shutdown-ubuntu-timeswitch-app (by Joey Sneddon)
[01:33] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[01:35] <Bashing-om> guiverc: :D
[01:40] <guiverc> the flutter/new-installer has uneven double-quotes; one got lost sorry  (i've not looked & worked out where yet)
[01:41] <guiverc> missing double-quote I think should be before '.' Bashing-om , ie. ' user-interface". '
[01:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lookin :)
[01:44] <guiverc> amellation, a word I don't hear very often... & can't recall when I last read it... :)
[01:46] <guiverc> that was only thing I saw Bashing-om , looks good.
[01:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: '"' added --- and will gladly replace amellation with a better term :)
[01:46] <guiverc> no need to replace it; leave it!
[01:47] <guiverc> I was only remarking on the usage... a word I'd not use (for fear of misspelling mostly!)
[01:47] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ho Kay :D ..saving abd exiting the WIKI.
[01:49] <guiverc> sorry for giving wrong impression Bashing-om , we don't need to 'dumb down'...
[01:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: ^ miss spelled ! anyway ,,,need to fix that :(
[09:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Chiselled Ubuntu containers: the benefits of combining Distroless and Ubuntu @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/combining-distroless-and-ubuntu-chiselled-containers
[20:10] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" - log checked and no further edits are known. Will start the push soonest.
[20:50] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forums post done - Redirects next.
[21:17] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - and blogged on Mastodon :D
[21:47]  * guiverc notices the UWN issue number on UF
[21:50] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We be turn'n and burn'n for a bit :P
[22:00] <guiverc> sorry for delay; https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/01/09/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-769/
[22:04] <guiverc> uwn 769 posted to twitter, reddit, telegram
[22:06] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check - checks all good :D
[22:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: M/L ?
[22:07] <guiverc> hadn't considered/thought of ML, I can see it ; want me to?
[22:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - more better that you post to the M/L - to me :D
[22:09] <guiverc> me thinks no difference... but UWN 769 sent to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good deal ^ .. clear now to make issue769 as History ?
[22:12] <guiverc> yep scrub away  & thanks for spot.check
[22:13] <Bashing-om> doing ^.
[22:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 769 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/01/09/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-769/
[22:18] <guiverc> uwn 769 posted to fb
[22:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: We do Issue770 - off to a start :D
[22:28] <guiverc> :)
[22:40]  * Bashing-om Now got 2 days catch-up for UWN to get done :P


[00:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: My bad, apparently autobuild is disabled. I'm running a manual build.
[00:22] <OvenWerks> The tbalet stuff should not even be visible
[00:23]  * OvenWerks is emotionally worn down just now and finds it hard to work on very much.
[00:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That's OK. The reason it was visible to me is because a build wasn't triggered, so I had the old version.
[01:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: It looks good. OK to release? I think it is.
[03:59] <OvenWerks> yeah, we can add to backports
[04:00] <OvenWerks> As far as I can see it is bug fixes for now.
[04:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool.
[04:24] <OvenWerks> the xr18 will be able to select any output to use with pulse because it looks like it could the number of outputs the jack master has.
[04:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> If not, routing with Carla or Patchage works.
[04:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> Backport is building.