[12:25] <guillem101> AmyRose: What do I remove, the file or the junk?
[12:26] <guillem101> AmyRose: further... is that expected to be solved at any update soon?
[12:27] <AmyRose> guillem101: you should remove just the junk
[12:27] <AmyRose> and I have no idea whether this is going to be fixed or not
[12:27] <soweto76> guillem101, I think AmyRose is suggesting that there are many devices listed therein which may slow things down but I am not sure.
[12:27] <AmyRose> soweto76: Yeah, that's it.
[12:28] <guillem101> AmyRose: the problem is that I'm not sure what I should remove :-P
[12:28] <sF_> amyrose
[12:28] <guillem101> AmyRose: nm, I will give it a try...
[12:29] <guillem101> thanks for your help
[12:29] <AmyRose> guillem101: If you use network manager, remove everything except the "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
[12:29] <sF_> it's actually the ubuntu team that changed it
[12:29] <sF_> not the kernel devs
[12:29] <guillem101> AmyRose: I use network manager. I will backup the file and give a try to what you are saying. Thank-you very much
[12:29] <soweto76> guillem101, network-manager is not always pleasing these days either.
[12:29] <jarrett> How do i configure the back and forward buttons to work on my Logitech Mx510?
[12:29] <AmyRose> guillem101: you're welcome
[12:30] <Stormx2> Okay. i'm no longer getting any input from my line-in.
[12:30] <AmyRose> soweto76: Thanks to network-manager I don't have to touch anything to get on the Internet at home now :D
[12:30] <Stormx2> As of feisty, that is.
[12:30] <pecisk> AndyCR: have time to fill bug to launchpad.net? I can try to asist
[12:30] <AmyRose> sF_: The ubuntu devs chose to use the new drivers. The kernel team made them though.
[12:31] <guillem101> soweto76: network-manager also works OK for me...
[12:31] <soweto76> AmyRose, zero config is the goal for sure.  My wifi card however is not supported by network-manager, so I wondered about that.
[12:31] <guillem101> except for the wait at booting... which I hope to solve
[12:31] <sF_> AmyRose: i'm not trying to be argumentative, but if they can "choose", then they weren't "made to" :P
[12:31] <AmyRose> soweto76: It does NOT work at my college though, where I have to use a script to call wpa_supplicant
[12:31] <AmyRose> sF_: I didn't say that. I just said that Linux 2.6.19 had new drivers
[12:32] <gourdin> I keep loosing my wifi
[12:32] <gourdin> is it acpi ?
[12:32] <gourdin> how do I configure it to not shut down the wifi
[12:33] <AmyRose> gourdin: Huh?
[12:33] <gourdin> AmyRose: since 2 update
[12:33] <gourdin> feisty keep loosing my wifi network
[12:34] <gourdin> nothing in messages
[12:34] <AmyRose> gourdin: How do you connect?
[12:34] <Askar> I need help printing on a networkprinter..its shared in winxp
[12:34] <gourdin> AmyRose: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "XXX"
[12:34] <gourdin> sudo iwconfig eth1 key XXXXX
[12:34] <AmyRose> gourdin: I think network manager might be disconnecting you
[12:34] <gourdin> sudo dhclient eth1
[12:35] <gourdin> network manager ?!
[12:35] <gourdin> what is that ? :)
[12:35] <AmyRose> gourdin: It's supposed to make wifi easier
[12:35] <gourdin> ho
[12:35] <soweto76> gourdin, cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager
[12:35] <gourdin> it kill mine ;)
[12:35] <AmyRose> gourdin: but if you configure manually, it will just keep disconnecting you
[12:35] <gourdin> AmyRose: thanks
[12:35] <fuoco> how do i get java in feisty, is there a way to get the open source sun java as runtime for the browser ?
[12:35] <gourdin> how do I use it to configure my wifi ?
[12:35] <gourdin> knetmngr ? :)
[12:36] <AmyRose> gourdin: Yes, there should be a tray icon for it
[12:36] <gourdin> I killed it loooong ago
[12:36] <gourdin> I'm running it right now
[12:36] <gourdin> thx for the clue
[12:36] <AmyRose> gourdin: You're welcome
[12:37] <guillem101> Yes!
[12:37] <AmyRose> guillem101: Happy now?
[12:37] <guillem101> AmyRose: very!
[12:37] <guillem101> This laptop is amazing -now-.
[12:37] <pecisk> fuoco: Applications => Add/Remove...
[12:38] <pecisk> fuoco: try to search for java there
[12:42] <Stormx2> After an upgrade, Sound Recorder gives me this: "Your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in the Multimedia settings.". I can play music fine, and my microphone appears to work. Capturing doesn't seem to work though?
[12:44] <pecisk> Stormx2: fishy, seems it can't use gstreamer src
[12:44] <Stormx2> I have it selected as Mic
[12:45] <Stormx2> I'll try closing off some potential sound-using apps. Maybe I should try restarting alsa after that? I dont know how.
[12:45] <pecisk> wonderfull, I have no channels to select at all
[12:46] <Stormx2> Ah
[12:46] <Stormx2> I found the problem
[12:46] <Stormx2> lircd was whoring the capture-ness
[12:46] <Stormx2> I need to figure out why my home-built IR device isn't working now :)
[12:47] <ShackJack> Semi Feisty-related question - when booting up I often notice the notification "balloons" appear in the upper left of my screen rather than in the lower right of my screen when my gnome panel notification area is. Is this a glitch or does this have to be configured somewhere?
[12:47] <Stormx2> ShackJack: Has the notification area loaded when this happens?
[12:47] <ShackJack> Hmmm... no it doesn't seem so most of the time..
[12:48] <Stormx2> It seems the tape that held it together has come off xD
[12:48] <Stormx2> I don't know, ShackJack. File a bug?
[12:50] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - I'll see if one's filed - though you're right - how would the thing know where to place the balloon until the notification area is loaded...  Maybe it should just wait until it's loaded... Heck - what if the person doesn't have a notification area configured at all in GNOME :)
[12:50] <Stormx2> Well yeah
[12:50] <Stormx2> Thats what I mean
[12:50] <Stormx2> When mine isn't loaded, some apps get confused
[12:51] <Stormx2> What balloons do you get at startup though?
[12:51] <Stormx2> (I fixed my lirc, yaaay)
[12:51] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - I'll do a search first - is that what you would call that a "baloon"
[12:51] <Stormx2> Yeah
[12:51] <Stormx2> I don't think it would be a tooltip
[12:51] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - I'm prompted for a p/w and then the baloon will come up notifying me I'm connected to a network..
[12:51] <Stormx2> Maybe a popup... hmm
[12:52] <Stormx2> Ah
[12:52] <Stormx2> I see.
[12:52] <ShackJack> Not quite a bug, just maked the experience slightly "unpolished" :)
[12:52] <Stormx2> Hmm
[12:52] <Stormx2> This app, how does it load on startup?
[12:52] <ShackJack> Ever so slightly :)
[12:52] <Stormx2> Is it in your sessions?
[12:53] <ShackJack> It's the network manager thing I suppose...
[12:53] <ShackJack> In the sessions...
[12:54] <ShackJack>  - /usr/bin/nm-applet --sm-disable
[12:54] <Stormx2> If you're fussed about it, there must be some way of checking whether the panels have loaded fully
[12:54] <Stormx2> You could write a script to load it after after the notification area is loaded
[12:54] <ShackJack> Not really - was just trying to get a concensus if it were a common problem...
[12:55] <Stormx2> Otherwise, I'd ask in #gnome maybe?
[12:55] <Stormx2> Mmm
[12:55] <Stormx2> Well I don't have any apps which start up like that.
[12:55] <ShackJack> I'm not bugged about it, but like I said maybe I'll file a ticket... as it seems Ubuntu is interested in being a polished platform...
[12:55] <Stormx2> Indeed
[12:56] <ShackJack> Love Compiz on Feisty... I'm forced to run XGL/fglrx and was having performance issues with Beryl...
[12:56] <brucedes> what's up with the wireless driver in fawn? I have a macbook, and on os x wireless is perfect, but in feisty, it keeps disconnecting every 10 minutes
[12:56] <ShackJack> Compiz is smooth as all get out... Only thing I miss is the Emerald themes and my 3D window animations and bursting into flames!
[12:57] <Stormx2> ShackJack: Try having a pre-geforce nvidia card >.<
[12:57] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - how does compiz work on that?
[12:57] <Stormx2> Not at all/
[12:57] <Stormx2> ?
[12:57] <Stormx2> !wireless | brucedes
[12:57] <ubotu> brucedes: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:57] <ShackJack> Really? Not even wobbly windows :)
[12:57] <Stormx2> Nah
[12:57] <Stormx2> Well
[12:57] <Stormx2> it might do
[12:57] <Stormx2> I tried for a bit
[12:58] <Stormx2> You can run beryl though, you know?
[12:58] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - It really adds a lot to the experience I thingk..
[12:58] <Stormx2> Well
[12:58] <Stormx2> It *might* run
[12:58] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - sorry what do you mean? I can run beryl?
[12:58] <Stormx2> But I don't think it'd be worth it
[12:58] <brucedes> thanks stormx2
[12:58] <Stormx2> Just ignore that comment, I'm a bit confused
[12:58] <ShackJack> Stormx2 - Gotcha - I run Beryl on my desktop which has AIGLX and Nvidia 7800Gs and it's smooth...
[12:59] <brucedes> btw, are there wine repositories for feisty? And if not, will the edgy repositories work?
[12:59] <Stormx2> brucedes: Wireless is a dodgy issue. Your card may be well documented, it may not even have a passing reference. Usually you'll be able to either reconfigure it so it doesn't d/c, or get some restricted drivers.
[12:59] <Stormx2> brucedes: I've got wine installed from the ubuntu repos. It has a few nice custom features added to the menus too.
[01:01] <brucedes> there, it just disconnected again >_>
[01:07] <baktaah> Does anyone else have wireless network issues in feisty?
[01:07] <baktaah> I can see my AP, but not connect to it :(
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: lot of people
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: same here
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: AP uses WPA, I guess?
[01:07] <baktaah> pecisk even though it says WEP?
[01:07] <baktaah> pecisk no Im on WEP (yes I know it sucks, I made an examwork on it)
[01:07] <pecisk> baktaah: nope, if it says that uses WEP, then it uses WP
[01:08] <baktaah> Does it say WEP but uses WPA?
[01:08] <pecisk> baktaah: do "cat /var/log/syslog | grep NetworkManager" and pastebin.ca
[01:08] <pecisk> baktaah: no it was just a guess :)
[01:08] <pecisk> because there are several issues
[01:08] <winterborne> Anybody struggled with Trident Display drivers (eg, on a toshiba laptop?)
[01:08] <baktaah> Oh so it's a common flaw in fesity pecisk?
[01:09] <baktaah> pecisk can't have to boot the LIVE cd (got not connection then)
[01:09] <pecisk> baktaah: seem so, I think already heard four people complaining about that todya
[01:09] <baktaah> pecisk how should I fix it, should change my AP
[01:09] <baktaah> AP to use WPA?
[01:09] <pecisk> nope
[01:09] <pecisk> it should work with WEP better than with WPA, which is kinda ichy yet
[01:10] <baktaah> pecisk okay
[01:10] <Ashbringer> Hello, would anyone be able to tell me how I can use the latest binary image kernel I just downloaded as opposed to my custom-compiled one?
[01:10] <baktaah> Ashbringer it should show up in grub?
[01:10] <Ashbringer> Yes.
[01:10] <aaroncampbell> I just had something very strange happen to me.  I restarted, and my RAID (/dev/sdb) seemed to be in the wrong place (/dev/sda).  As such, /home didn't exist (it's on the RAID).  When I figured it out, I mounted it properly, modified /etc/fstab, and rebooted.  It was still broke...this time because it was back where it should have been (/dev/sdb).  So I again modified the fstab, and rebooted...it worked fine
[01:10] <Ashbringer> baktaah: it shows up in grub, but I auto-boot to my compiled one.
[01:10] <baktaah> so whats the issue Ashbringer ?
[01:11] <Ashbringer> I want to boot to the binary
[01:11] <baktaah> Ashbringer so remove it from grub?
[01:11] <Ashbringer> automatically, that is
[01:11] <aaroncampbell> When working on fstab, I see stuff like: # /dev/sda1 and on the following line: UUID=24ba1bdf-464b-49a8-ab62-2674edcdf731 ...
[01:11] <Ashbringer> If I edit menu.lst to have the binary one first, will that auto boot it?
[01:11] <baktaah> Ashbringer yes
[01:12] <Ashbringer> baktaah: thank you
[01:12] <aaroncampbell> is there a way to generate something like that for my RAID so that it doesn't matter where it is? (the items with UUID's mounted fine)
[01:13] <baktaah> Ashbringer np, good luck
[01:14] <Ashbringer> alright, so I've done that now, when I reboot, it'll auto-boot the first one in the list?
[01:14] <Stormx2> On the Beta page, it talks about a media codecs wizard. Where is this wizard?
[01:15] <blippe> Ashbringer: depends on the row starting with default in menu.lst
[01:15] <pecisk> Stormx2: when you try to play mp3, divx, whatever it gives you chance to install prioritary codecs
[01:15] <pecisk> if you haven't installed those codecs already
[01:16] <Ashbringer> blippe: what do you mean?
[01:16] <Arko> how to not start screensaver when using xine when in full screen?
[01:17] <Stormx2> pecisk: Ah. kk
[01:17] <Ashbringer> How should I edit the menu.lst to get a kernel to default boot?
[01:18] <baktaah> pecisk hey u still here?
[01:18] <pecisk> Ashbringer: there is variable here, "default" and number which kernel you want to be as default
[01:18] <blippe> Ashbringer: there is an option called default in the menu.lst, check it out...
[01:18] <pecisk> baktaah: yes, but already trying to summarise and go to sleep
[01:18] <baktaah> pecisk just hold on
[01:18] <baktaah> pecisk is it possible to connect via wireless?=
[01:18] <Ashbringer> pecisk: the value for default is 0
[01:19] <pecisk> baktaah: it depends on card
[01:19] <baktaah> pecisk an realtek chipset
[01:19] <blippe> Ashbringer: it is preferable to use that options since menu.lst change automatically with updates
[01:19] <Ashbringer> pecisk: does that mean its the first entry on the list?
[01:19] <pecisk> Ashbringer: then it is first 0 - first, 1 - second, etc.
[01:19] <pecisk> Ashbringer: yes
[01:19] <pecisk> baktaah: there is bug reported based on that
[01:19] <Ashbringer> okay, thanks all, I'll reboot now and see if it works.
[01:19] <baktaah> pecisk did you say there was a way to fix it so it would work?
[01:20] <baktaah> pecisk becuase I didn't get it, what was the fault ,was it that the WEP was actualyl WPA, or what?
[01:20] <pecisk> baktaah: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/78037
[01:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 78037 in network-manager "rt2500 in feisty: problem & solution" [Medium,Confirmed]
[01:21] <pecisk> baktaah: that wasn't a fault, i just made a guess. I guess solution will be much different
[01:21] <baktaah> pecisk roger that
[01:21] <peter77> how do I find out if I have any graphics drivers installed?
[01:21] <pecisk> baktaah: it is better to search for such problems first in launchpad.net, and if there is no bug reported, then do it yourself, that is why actually Feisty is released so frequently in herds and betas :)
[01:22] <baktaah> pecisk I can't report bugs without a connection
[01:22] <pecisk> baktaah: no wired network?
[01:22] <pecisk> I know it is kinda self-defeating ;)
[01:22] <baktaah> pecisk hehe yeah, no not 15 meters that I need
[01:23] <baktaah> but pecisk you just linked me the solution
[01:23] <pecisk> baktaah: that bug? :)
[01:23] <baktaah> sudo ifconfig ra0 down
[01:23] <baktaah> sudo iwconfig ra0 essid xyz key 12345
[01:23] <baktaah> sudo ifconfig ra0 up
[01:23] <baktaah> would fix it
[01:23] <pecisk> baktaah: I hope it will help
[01:23] <pecisk> try
[01:23] <baktaah> pecisk me too ;) will do
[01:23] <pecisk> let's hope it will
[01:23] <ace> Hi again
[01:23] <baktaah> cya =) and thanks man
[01:23] <baktaah> thanks pecisk, cya
[01:23] <ace> can someone help me with my mouse
[01:23] <pecisk> np
[01:23] <pecisk> see ya too
[01:23] <ace> buttons and the scroll wheel don't work
[01:23] <pecisk> ou
[01:23] <pecisk> that's nasty
[01:24] <pecisk> ace: cursor moves?
[01:24] <ace> buttons 8 and 9 which worked perfectly in dapper and edgy (this morning)
[01:24] <pecisk> huh
[01:24] <ace> button 9 does the same thing as middle click, button 8 does the same as right click
[01:25] <ace> its totally messed up
[01:25] <pecisk> ace: upgraded to Feisty today?
[01:26] <ace> pecisk: yup
[01:26] <Ashbringer> It worked, thanks everyone
[01:26] <ace> A fresh install using the alternative installer disk for 7.04 beta, then i dist-upgraded it
[01:26] <ZeroZiat> This be ze channel for Feisty newbies?
[01:27] <PriceChild> ZeroZiat, feisty isn't for newbies. It is not finished.
[01:27] <ace> xev says that button 8 is button 2 and that button 9 is button 3!?!?!?!!!
[01:27] <ZeroZiat> Well, yesterday I downloaded Edgy, ran it on the Live CD. Turns out they told me to download Feisty!
[01:27] <ZeroZiat> When I requested support.
[01:28] <ace> ZeroZiat: well what is the problem you have with feisty?
[01:28] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: Feisty is still in beta stage and isn't recommended to be used on production/real life systems
[01:28] <ZeroZiat> Wireless. The new thing they introduced on this version.
[01:28] <ZeroZiat> I am just testing it out.
[01:28] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: NetworkManager I guess
[01:28] <ZeroZiat> It's not even installed yet.
[01:28] <pecisk> ok :)
[01:29] <pecisk> so what kind of problem do you have?
[01:29] <ZeroZiat> Well, I cannot connect to my wireless network.
[01:29] <pecisk> ace: seems like new Xorg doesn't know how to configure your mouse
[01:29] <pecisk> ace: should investigate and report bug
[01:30] <ace> i'm investigating now
[01:31] <ZeroZiat> Well, anyways, turns out I try to do most I can, go to networking, enter the network name, doesn't connect.
[01:31] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: do it lists WiFi networks?
[01:32] <ZeroZiat> No.
[01:32] <ace> whats ZAxisMapping?
[01:32] <ace> google found lots of places where its mentioned but nothing about what it does or stands for
[01:33] <ZeroZiat> In iwconfig, eth0 just works.
[01:34] <VirhYl3> The latest updates broke feisty.
[01:34] <VirhYl3> luckily the previous grub still runs perfect.
[01:35] <VirhYl3> I got spit into the console with an error saying the nvidia wasn't working.
[01:35] <ZeroZiat> 'Ello, WiFi, suggestions?
[01:36] <VirhYl3> anybody else reported this problem?
[01:38] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: what chip do you have?
[01:38] <pecisk> Intel, Broadcom?
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> Uhh, hold on.
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> Wait, do you mean chipset of something?
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> 'Cause this comp is a bit old.
[01:38] <VirhYl3> Anybody else reporting an X crash with the latest updates?
[01:38] <ZeroZiat> I can give you specs, though. =)
[01:39] <pecisk> ZeroZiat: I meant wifi chipset
[01:40] <ace> Hi all
[01:40] <ace> i fixed it
[01:40] <ace> i was the protocol
[01:40] <Arko> 7.04 updates are so buggy to me and it is working so fine now (after several problems) that I definitively won't update anymore
[01:41] <ZeroZiat> Oh.
[01:42] <ZeroZiat> Network Card :	Belkin Wireless 54Mbps Desktop Adapter
[01:42] <ace> i commented out  device in the hope it would autodetect, and i set the protocol to ExplorerPS/2, the others sucked        -----#Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"  ---------  Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" ---------
[01:42] <ace> now i have all my buttons back :)
[01:45] <ZeroZiat> So, uh, there lo', it's a belkin.
[01:45] <ZeroZiat> In linux, with iwconfig it tells me something about Broadcom, though.
[01:45] <lastent> is there any channel for the 64bit support?
[01:46] <Stormx2> I love bum
[01:46] <Stormx2> You guys should check bum out
[01:46] <Stormx2> Its really nice.
[01:47] <ace> are you saying your gay?
[01:48] <ace> does it really matter?
[01:48] <VirhYl3> anyone else getting a broken X in the new updates?
[01:49] <ace> how new are the updates? i updated today and X is ok
[01:49] <phaidros> ace: aptitude search bum :i   bum             - graphical runlevel editor
[01:50] <ace> oh, now i feel kinda bad
[01:50] <phaidros> ace pretty offending you are, while not knowing what ppl talk about ;)
[01:50] <VirhYl3> I love ace's bum.
[01:51] <phaidros> maybe good bum .. (ace's one ..)
[01:51] <ace> see now that, what are you supposed to make of that?
[01:51] <VirhYl3> lol
[01:51] <VirhYl3> I'm going to start crying now, somebody tell me why X is dead in the latest updates.
[01:51] <phaidros> ace .. yaah, you need to live with that now ;)
[01:52] <phaidros> VirhYl3: nothing wroing with X here
[01:52] <phaidros> looked into your Xlog?
[01:52] <VirhYl3> man, there is something severely wrong.
[01:52] <VirhYl3> You using nvidia blob drivers?
[01:52] <phaidros> nope.
[01:52] <phaidros> xorg's ati ..
[01:53] <ace> VirhYl3: does xorg's log show anything?
[01:53] <greig_> how do i dload the beta?
[01:53] <Hidan> hey btw, where does one go to post requests and suggestions for Ubuntu?
[01:54] <VirhYl3> Dunno....  I'm a recent windows convert, I just no it died after necessary reboot, said something about nvidia, spit out garbage in a console, and I had to reboot to previous grub.
[01:54] <phaidros> Hidan: launchpad.net
[01:54] <phaidros> but search properly before posting ;)
[01:54] <|NewUser|> damn.. my Server Admin.. Restrict download Speed.. anyhow can i get more download speed. .. damn @ just 6kbs @.. there is 2 mb link there@
[01:55] <phaidros> |NewUser|: proxy / torrent ..
[01:55] <phaidros> (works only if the admin is not to clever ..)
[01:55] <|NewUser|> phaidros: he is clever.. torrent blocked..And Proxies also. sometime some socks ports works.
[01:55] <phaidros> greig_: go and download the iso file
[01:55] <ace> VirhYl3: when you get dropped into konsole do "nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf" then change the driver to from nvidia to nv, then you at least have X again
[01:56] <darx> how can I open ports for bittorrent?
[01:56] <Hidan> phaidros: uhhhh okay I know there's bugs section so the possible sections are the uhm "Answers" or "Questions" sections?
[01:56] <phaidros> |NewUser|: tell him, you need the bandwidth for a linux iso yo want to get
[01:56] <|NewUser|> phaidros: going to download Some fiesty update.. something 130+mb. damn Showing me 14h something minutes..
[01:56] <darx> iptables is driving me nuts
[01:56] <|NewUser|> phaidros: i requested to him .. that i need some linux source n upgrades.. but what i say.. He is big s*i*.
[01:56] <phaidros> Hidan: theres is Q and A and feature request can also be done as bugs .. imho, maybe read the doc before
[01:57] <|NewUser|> phaidros: he is big Clever.. and Challenge me too u cant do any thing.. from ur side..
[01:57] <|NewUser|> ;<
[01:57] <Hidan> phaidros: doc? uh oh lol... launchpad.net is massive and i'm lost  already.
[01:57] <phaidros> Hidan: the forums are also quite helpful, depends on what you want to do
[01:57] <phaidros> Hidan: yeah, I didn't get it completely yet :/
[01:58] <VirhYl3> Yeah, for as accessible as the Ubuntu community supposedly is, It's nearly impossible to get actual requests or suggestions in.
[01:58] <VirhYl3> I've been suggesting they drop the sh*t brown for about 4 years.
[01:58] <phaidros> VirhYl3: depends on what you mean, the motu team is very helpful
[01:58] <phaidros> bug are hunted quick trough launchpad.
[01:58] <phaidros> forums are good in Q/A
[01:58] <phaidros> whats mitssing?
[01:58] <ace> blue is nice
[01:59] <Hidan> the Ubuntu team really needs to work on it... hmmm, i think I'll go send a comment at Mark Shuttleworth's blog. :p
[01:59] <VirhYl3> yeah, or green, or any damn color besides brown.
[01:59] <VirhYl3> seriously, wtf is up with the brown?
[01:59] <phaidros> hm, lets get pink then
[01:59] <phaidros> VirhYl3: file a bug
[01:59] <VirhYl3> Hey, my gf would go for that.
[01:59] <ace> VirhYl3: what about pink? are you sure you wouldn't mind ANY colour?
[02:00] <ace> orange would be ok i guess
[02:00] <VirhYl3> I did that.  In the forums, and on launchpad.
[02:00] <VirhYl3> Still brown.
[02:02] <ace> well instead of saying we hate brown maybe we should ask why its brown
[02:02] <ace> ?
[02:02] <ace> then they might reconsider if they can't come up with a really good reason for it being brown
[02:05] <aaroncampbell> I switched back to my bluetooth kb/mouse (couldn't use it during install).  As soon as I plugged in the USB key, it worked great.  Now, every time I reboot, I have to unplug the usb key, and plug it back in before the KB or mouse work
[02:05] <aaroncampbell> Any idea why?
[02:05] <Stormx2> What is this about brown?
[02:06] <Stormx2> Hmm
[02:06] <AngryElf> if I install the beta today what steps would need to be taken after the official release?
[02:06] <Stormx2> AngryElf: none. Just keep up to date.
[02:06] <AngryElf> apt-get update will handle it?
[02:06] <Stormx2> aaroncampbell: You need to find out what is called when you plug that device in, to make it work, and call that command at boot time
[02:07] <darx> is there a bittorrent client for linux that really works?
[02:07] <Stormx2> AngryElf: yep. update-manager does a good job
[02:07] <darx> this is pissing me off
[02:07] <AngryElf> sweet, thanx
[02:07] <Stormx2> darx: Azureus is fantastic.
[02:07] <misfit_toy> darx deluge-torrent
[02:07] <darx> Stormx2: its a hog as well
[02:07] <Stormx2> Its not that bad, how much RAM have you got?
[02:07] <gils> no updates todayt?
[02:08] <Stormx2> gils: none so far
[02:08] <darx> misfit_toy: i have it and it doesn't work well
[02:08] <misfit_toy> darx, define "well"
[02:08] <chuck_tx> ? How beta is this beta right now?
[02:08] <gils> ok
[02:08] <gils> thanks
[02:08] <darx> misfit_toy: buggy, relatively high upload and bad download rate
[02:09] <misfit_toy> darx, maybe it's your router?
[02:09] <gils> i must say, i have done linux distro-upgrades for years on suse, fedora, etc,,,,
[02:09] <Stormx2> darx: 90mb for me.  Maybe you could run a search on ubuntuforums.org for the particular mouse?
[02:12] <Stormx2> aaroncampbell: The people in ##linux might be able to help too
[02:12] <Stormx2> darx: iptables opens ports by default on the desktop.
[02:13] <Stormx2> darx: Take a break for 5, 10 minutes, yeah? Don't get wound up. You'll just make more mistakes and it will take longer
[02:14] <gils> oh how exciting....python upgrades. wooohooo
[02:14] <darx> Stormx2: you are doing a great job.. i'll advice azuereus to anyone .. your right 90mb is well justified
[02:14] <Hidan> python yeah pfft
[02:15] <Stormx2> darx: I agree with you whole-heartedly that we need an alternative though.
[02:15] <|NewUser|> well i Just download Some pAckages.. through update-manager but suddenly my pc goes reboot.. so that download packages still in memory?
[02:15] <Hidan> pythos and feather boas xD
[02:15] <Hidan> newuser: yeah sure they should be.
[02:15] <gils> anyone here change bootup screen with usplash ?
[02:15] <gils> what is the procedure
[02:15] <darx> Stormx2: cheers and thanks..
[02:15] <Hidan> newuser: happened to me too many times really... X kept freezing, i'd to keep rebooting.
[02:15] <|NewUser|> Hidan: then how can i install those ? or just start update-manager again?
[02:17] <Hidan> newuser: just launch update-manager again. Though of course, sometimes, update-manager gets a bit broken. Then, they'll tell you what kinda command to run.
[02:18] <Stormx2> Why was he K-lined? o.O
[02:18] <Pricey> Stormx2, who knows. Ask Freenode Staff if you're really interested...
[02:18] <NewUser`> hmm what did i do wrong?
[02:18] <Stormx2> He's back anyway
[02:18] <Stormx2> What is a K-Line?
[02:18] <Stormx2> I don't know NewUser`
[02:19] <Pricey> Stormx2, ban from the network
[02:19] <Stormx2> Maybe there's a policy against having pipes in names?
[02:19] <Pricey> Stormx2, I don't know.
[02:19] <Stormx2> Pricey, k, and a G-line?
[02:19] <billytwowilly> hey, is there a backports for feisty yet?  Though of course, sometimes, update-manager gets a bit broken. Then, they'll tell you what kinda command to run.
[02:20] <billytwowilly> ports back from the devel release. You're telling me noone is working on feisty +1 yet?;)
[02:20] <Pricey> Stormx2, don't know y et
[02:20] <Stormx2> Perky Penguin... come ooon :)
[02:20] <Hidan> geh
[02:20] <Pricey> billytwowilly, feisty+1 starts w hen feisty is finished
[02:20] <Hidan> _freaky: just launch update-manager again. Though of course, sometimes, update-manager gets a bit broken. Then, they'll tell you what kinda command to run.
[02:20] <billytwowilly> lamish. Ktorrent has a security hole in its 2.1 release that is fixed in 2.1.3
[02:21] <billytwowilly> well, two security holes.
[02:21] <Stormx2> Security holes are fixed in updates
[02:21] <Stormx2> I'd imagine it'll be fixed within a day or two eh?
[02:21] <NewUser`> Sorry .. Some Problem with my Electricity..
[02:21] <NewUser`> well can i Ask what i did wrong ? my Server kill my local ip?
[02:22] <billytwowilly> ktorrent 2.1.3 was released on april 2
[02:22] <Hidan> newuser: did you get any of that?  hmmm i dunno, you were k-lined or something.
[02:22] <Stormx2> What was it, an internet problem?
[02:22] <NewUser`> Stormx2: well i want to talk with Freenode Oper.. where i can found ? any Services channel ?
[02:23] <bur[n] er> anyone familiar with a problem where gnome takes ages to start, and when it finally does, it spits an error about gnome settings daemon?  I've tried dumping ~/.* to no avail
[02:23] <billytwowilly> Oh yah, there's also a bug in kde when I updated. konqueror loses its location bar on the second konqueror windows I open and all subsequent konqueror windows.
[02:23] <NewUser`> Hidan : ya dont know why i m klined :< i dont do anything wrong :<
[02:23] <Stormx2> NewUser`: Not sure...
[02:24] <Stormx2> NewUser`: I did a whois on you. It might be the odd characters in your name? fk
[02:24] <NewUser`> Stormx2: i dont think so thats illegal
[02:25] <NewUser`> Stormx2: u Saw my Kline Reason ?
[02:25] <bur[n] er> NewUser`: no reason given
[02:25] <NewUser`> Its something.. Problem with Clones.. they Thaught i m loading clones..
[02:25] <NewUser`> bur[n] er: Please don't run clones or bots on freenode. Mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you think this kline in error. Thanks!
[02:25] <Stormx2> There wasn't one
[02:26] <NewUser`> damn.. My Service is going d/c again n again so what should i do.. if my previous nick is here..
[02:26] <Stormx2> NewUser`, maybe you had some techno on?
[02:26] <Stormx2> r-r-r-r-ooobot
[02:26] <NewUser`> Stormx2: nA mAn.. i knOW how to Use Irc.. well i m using Irc since 5 years..
[02:27] <Stormx2> I love your capitalisation
[02:27] <Stormx2> It's fantastic.
[02:27] <NewUser`> :< my local ip is kline :<
[02:27] <NewUser`> damn..
[02:28] <Stormx2> NewUser`: Email the staff.
[02:28] <Stormx2><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:28] <NewUser`> yea .. mailing
[02:29] <NewUser`> Where is PriceChild?
[02:29] <Pricey> NewUser`, hi?
[02:29] <Pricey> NewUser`, email freenode staff or use "/stats p" to find an online staffer
[02:30] <greig_> whos running the beta?
[02:30] <NewUser`> Pricey: thanks buddy
[02:30] <NewUser`> greig_: im but dont ask anything coz i m newbie.. sorry
[02:31] <greig_> me 2 lol, it running ok tho?
[02:31] <NewUser`> nalioth: can i talk to you?
[02:31] <bur[n] er> it's running well enough for me greig_
[02:31] <greig_> im updating as we speake from 3.10
[02:32] <NewUser`> nalioth: what did i do anything wrong? why i get kline my local ip ?
[02:32] <greig_> 6.10*
[02:33] <Pricey> NewUser`, best to do that in private pm ;)
[02:33] <NewUser`> nalioth: U there ?
[02:33] <NewUser`> Pricey: thats illegal he kill me again :)
[02:33] <NewUser`> Pricey: without Permission.. i aint mSg him in pvt.
[02:35] <nalioth> NewUser`: hi
[02:35] <NewUser`> nalioth: thanks for reply..
[02:44] <K`zan> USB under Feisty is getting to be a problem :-(.
[02:44] <beg1689> is it possible to make nm-applet remember WEP keys without prompting for the keyring password every logon?
[02:44] <RAOF> beg1689: Yes, see:
[02:44] <kelsa|martalli> I am trying to run mpd on a computer, but it appears port 6600 is blocked.
[02:45] <RAOF> !info libpam-keyring feisty | beg1689
[02:45] <kelsa|martalli> How can I open this in ubuntu?
[02:45] <ubotu> beg1689: libpam-keyring: PAM module that unlock gnome keyring. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.8-5 (feisty), package size 15 kB, installed size 128 kB
[02:46] <beg1689> ok cool... now what if i want to switch to that network later on
[02:47] <kelsa|martalli> Under firestarter, I have 'inbound traffic policy" for port 6600 set to "open" for all
[02:47] <kelsa|martalli> Shouldn't that work?
[02:51] <NewUser`> can i set mac address permenantly? whenever i restart my pc. set it back again n again ?
[02:52] <RAOF> beg1689: When you set up pam-keyring, it will unlock the keyring when you login.  That means that anything that uses the keyring can get passwords etc out of it without (necessarily) prompting you again.
[02:53] <beg1689> for the rest of that login session? i thought it meant just for a moment
[02:54] <RAOF> No, for the rest of the login session
[03:00] <mahdi> hi, could anybody plz help me debug a hard lockup? My system hangs and my leds start flashing, but i don't know why. Its kinda random
[03:01] <RAOF> mahdi: Well, the flashing keyboard lights are what the kernel does just before it crashes.
[03:01] <RyanRyan52>  what graphics driver should i use? Its onboard Intel GMA x3000, When i try i810 the screen is black and i can only use the tty thing. When I try vesa it works but the graphics are really slow. Which one would be right to use?
[03:02] <firephoto> RyanRyan52: ... you're on feisty... i'll get you a url or bug #
[03:02] <RyanRyan52> thanks
[03:02] <mahdi> RAOF: yep. But i don't know why it crashes! Found nothing on /var/log/*
[03:03] <firephoto> RyanRyan52: bug 90213
[03:03] <ubotu> Malone bug 90213 in xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting "xf86-video-intel 1.9.91 (2.0 RC1) is out, and would be nice to have as the source for the xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting package" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90213
[03:03] <mahdi> RAOF: i suspect it is wpasupplicant's fault, so i'm looking for a way to use NetworkManager WITHOUT it
[03:03] <firephoto> RyanRyan52: that's not what i'm using though. I have a driver from debian exp from a month or so ago that seems to work better. that new one has some issues still.
[03:03] <RAOF> mahdi: Well, I'm no kernel hacker.  I'd point you at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[03:04] <cliebow2> or use knetworkmanager
[03:04] <RAOF> mahdi: There *is* no way to use NetworkManager without wpasupplicant (at least while retaining WPA support)
[03:04] <RyanRyan52> ok
[03:05] <mahdi> RAOF: i don't need wpa support. WEP is enough for me
[03:05] <RAOF> mahdi: Oh, well then you could possibly rebuild the networkmanager package from source without the wpasupplicant dependency.  However, a *much* better idea is to file a bug :)
[03:06] <mahdi> RAOF: it seems like using configs directly on /etc/network/interfaces works without crashes, but i still cant b sure... and dont have any proof that wpasupplicant is buggy!
[03:07] <|NewUser|> can i set my mac addr. permenant?
[03:07] <RAOF> mahdi: Check out the systemcrash link, and *file a bug*.
[03:07] <|NewUser|> coz whenever i reboot my system mac address going to change
[03:07] <RAOF> mahdi: Of course, the fact that it doesn't (seem) to crash with network-manager disabled suggests the problem may be related to NM :)
[03:08] <cliebow2> or use knetworkmanager?
[03:09] <mahdi> cliebow2: knetworkmanager depends on networkmanager which depends on wpasupplicant (which causes me trouble)
[03:09] <mahdi> dumb question: what is this SysRq key?
[03:09] <mahdi> oh
[03:09] <mahdi> just found it
[03:10] <mahdi> lol
[03:10] <Jisao> Is there a way to upgrade to feisty other than with these instructions?  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade
[03:12] <cliebow2> wifi-radar?
[03:13] <mahdi> cliebow2: hmmm
[03:13] <mahdi> ill look into it
[03:13] <cliebow2> works in ppc..
[03:13] <mahdi> tkz
[03:13] <cliebow2> 8~)
[03:13] <Toma-> how can i get the ubuntu-studio themes? i cant see it in the metapackages...
[03:14] <Toma-> err woops
[03:14] <mahdi> stilll i'd have to uninstall networkmanager
[03:14] <mahdi> and then lose ubuntu-desktop... and lots of upgrades
[03:14] <mahdi> =/
[03:16] <RAOF> mahdi: A better solution would be to help the devs stop your kernel crashing!
[03:17] <mahdi> RAOF: of course...
[03:17] <mahdi> RAOF: but i need some hints to find out what is causing it, i suppose
[03:18] <RAOF> mahdi: Good.  It's just there are a lot of people who complain but don't file bugs :(
[03:18] <Jisao> I am curious, RAOF.  How do you know that your kernel is crashed^
[03:18] <Jisao> ?
[03:18] <RAOF> mahdi: Have you checked out the "wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSystemCrash" thingy?
[03:18] <mahdi> at least some file dumps
[03:18] <mahdi> RAOF: just read it
[03:18] <RAOF> Cool.
[03:18] <RAOF> No help?
[03:18] <mahdi> i'm waiting for my system to crash, so i do it
[03:18] <mahdi> lol
[03:19] <beg1689> i set up pam-keyring but now it asks for my password twice at logon
[03:19] <RAOF> Jisao: Well, one of the ways to know is that the keyboard LED's are flashing.  The kernel does that just before it dies.
[03:19] <Jisao> I see.
[03:19] <mahdi> didn't know about that alt+SysRq+1 and then alt+SysRq+t thing
[03:19] <RAOF> beg1689: I seem to remember hearing that problem on the forums.  Did you set it up as in /usr/share/libpam-keyring/README.debian ?
[03:20] <mahdi> but if it gives me usefull info, then that will make my day =D
[03:20] <beg1689> file doesnt exist
[03:21] <mahdi> RAOF: where exactly i file such kind of bug?
[03:22] <RAOF> beg1689: Sorry, there should have been a "doc" in there "/usr/share/doc/libpam-keyring/README.Debian"
[03:22] <RAOF> mahdi: Well, there's certainly a kernel panic involved, so probably file it against the linux-image.
[03:22] <Jisao> Interesting, RAOF.
[03:22] <RAOF> mahdi: On launchpad.net
[03:22] <mahdi> RAOF: ah, ok
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> do yall get libxalan issues at gnome install time?
[03:23] <mahdi> RAOF: when leds flash it is necessarily a kernekl panic?
[03:23] <mahdi> isnt there other kinds of hard lockups?
[03:24] <RAOF> mahdi: Yeah, there are.    Transparent gnome-terminals with blur are surprisingly cool :)
[03:31] <mahdi> =P
[03:31] <beg1689> dam it
[03:32] <beg1689> wont even let me try in ie6 under wine
[03:32] <beg1689> they must think all the "uber hackers" will steal their precious crappy shoiws
[03:33] <beg1689> compiz is buggy for me btw
[03:33] <mahdi> cant wait to get beryl working again
[03:33] <beg1689> wierd glitches when zooming or alt+tabbing
[03:34] <beg1689> but only when the cube is off
[03:34] <mahdi> it is much better than compiz
[03:34] <beg1689> last time i tried beryl it was too unstable
[03:34] <mahdi> worked fine for me
[03:34] <beg1689> how could it be better? compiz already has all the features i want
[03:35] <beg1689> only thing better is a decent confi
[03:35] <beg1689> config
[03:35] <mahdi> exactly
[03:35] <mahdi> and some nice extra effects
[03:35] <beg1689> i should have been more specific, compiz gives me those glitches when cube is "Enabled" but not actually functioniong (hsize is wrong)
[03:35] <mahdi> and some other features
[03:35] <beg1689> also... my hsize keeps getting reset
[03:35] <mahdi> wierd
[03:36] <mahdi> it works very smoothly here
[03:36] <beg1689> it works great
[03:36] <Jisao> So, what can you do when nothing obvious shows up in the log files after a crash?
[03:36] <beg1689> if the cube is off, or cube is on and hsize is 4
[03:36] <beg1689> but when its toggled on and set to 1, causes glitches
[03:36] <beg1689> but every time cube is toggled on/off, it resets my hsize
[03:37] <beg1689> so i cant enable/disable when i do certain things (like wine games)
[03:37] <beg1689> or it causes the glitch again
[03:38] <aaroncampbell> I'm trying to build a package for my printer (konica Minolta Magicolor 2430DL), and this is the output: http://paste-bin.com/11365 which is riddled with errors...can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?
[03:40] <Bicchi> After upgrading to Feisty from edgy my HD takes over 300MB more of drive space. Is this normal for an upgrade? I already ran: sudo apt-get clean
[03:41] <mahdi> Bicchi: yep. Same here
[03:42] <Bicchi> i am just curious to know why the big increase. I really doubt that much space was used in upgrades.
[03:42] <mahdi> newer apps
[03:42] <Bicchi> yeah still 300mb
[03:42] <mahdi> only OO.org 2.2 eats up loke 50 or 70mb more
[03:42] <Bicchi> oh well. i just wanted to do some cleanups
[03:43] <Bicchi> oh ok. thanks for that info.
[03:43] <Noah0504> Has anyone else had problems with SoundConverter under Feisty?
[03:48] <mahdi> gotta go
[03:48] <mahdi> cya
[03:48] <mahdi> and tkz!
[04:07] <CarlFK> runnig various installer kernels in qemu - edgy's works as expected, feisty throws "Floating point exception"  and loops
[04:08] <CarlFK> I think I have a script that demos this
[04:08] <CarlFK> anyone want to try it ?
[04:09] <CarlFK> how much you think you ned?
[04:09] <CarlFK> need
[04:10] <DanaG> /dev/sda6              9804852   7830504   1575940  84% /
[04:10] <CarlFK> plenty
[04:10] <DanaG> I guess I did free up some space.
[04:10] <DanaG> Though sometimes I still run low.
[04:11] <DanaG> What would I install in a VM?  Windows 3.11?
[04:11] <CarlFK> I am not actualy doing an install, so it doesn't really need a hd
[04:11] <Noah0504> Has anyone else had problems with SoundConverter under Feisty?
[04:11] <CarlFK> run the feisty installer in the VM
[04:11] <DanaG> Filesystem             Size   Used  Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:11] <DanaG> /dev/sda6               11G   8.1G   1.7G  84% /
[04:11] <DanaG> I'm already in Feisty in my real OS.
[04:11] <CarlFK> DanaG: doesn't matter. you can run whatever you want in the VM
[04:13] <wsjunior> what do i need to make audio preview to work inside konqueror? i enabled the option in view but i cant hear anything...
[04:19] <DanaG> Same for Nautilus.... there's the eighth-note icon, but it does nothing.
[04:42] <manchicken> Anybody know how to get a treo 700 smart phone to sync?
[04:42] <manchicken> I can't even get a device for it.
[04:47] <CarlFK> usb or bt?
[04:48] <CarlFK> not that I have one,but I have played around with my phone a little
[04:51] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14328
[04:52] <MrFeetio> ok, i just install 7.04 on my laptop, and the restricted drivers manager doesnt "see" my nvidia geforce go 7400, it does hower see me intell wirless and my touchpad works great
[04:52] <CarlFK> can someone run that, then flip the DIST from edgy to feisty and run it again
[04:52] <CarlFK> first should error witih "can't find install image"
[04:52] <CarlFK> 2nd should loop
[04:52] <MrFeetio> does any one why it wouldnt see my nvidia card?
[04:53] <CarlFK> (i should put those comments in the comments)
[04:58] <MrFeetio> the restriced drivers manager doesnt see my nvidia geforce go 7400,
[05:01] <RAOF> MrFeetio: That's odd, they see my Geforce 7600 go
[05:02] <MrFeetio> im gonna reboot, see if that fixes it
[05:04] <DanaG> Restricted-manager doesn't work if xorg.conf has been customized.
[05:04] <DanaG> Oh, and debconf for xorg doesn't offer evdev.
[05:04] <DanaG> Or nvidia.
[05:06] <shiris1> anybody home?
[05:09] <MrFeetio> ok, 7.04 didn't auto-detached my geforce go 7400
[05:09] <MrFeetio> how do i make i see my geforce go?
[05:10] <DanaG> FOr a moment I thought you asked, "how do I make my GeForce Go?"
[05:10] <DanaG> hah.
[05:10] <DanaG> s/a/e/
[05:10] <MrFeetio> if its at all related, 7.04 takes a good bit longer to boot up then 6.10
[05:10] <MrFeetio> "no resum image, doing normal boot"
[05:13] <spasticteapot> While updating, Synaptic crashed, and sudo apt-get upgrade causes a segmentation fault.
[05:13] <spasticteapot> WTF do I do?
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Reboot & Retry?
[05:13] <spasticteapot> Hello?
[05:15] <exor|grey> I'm attempting to use ubuntu-xen-desktop on my new feisty install, which seems to only use the 2.19.4 kernel. Unfortunately, the supplied image package does not contain the ipw3945 wireless adapter. There does not appear to be a source package for this kernel with the xen patches in the repositories either, though headers are available. Any suggestions on how to proceed to get my wifi working under the xen-desktop?
[05:16] <spasticteapot> No idea.
[05:17] <exor|grey> spasticteapot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/70005
[05:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 70005 in apt "segfault on apt-get upgrade (dup-of: 75273)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[05:17] <ubotu> Malone bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [High,Fix committed]
[05:17] <exor|grey> quoting "the issue can be worked around by removing/renaming the srcpkgcache.bin and pkgcache.bin files, located in /var/cache/apt."
[05:17] <spasticteapot> Huh.
[05:19] <payan> my interface eth0 (internal and static) is always down at startup
[05:19] <spasticteapot> I'm still a little fuzzy on the Unix commands - what's the command for deleting a file?
[05:19] <exor|grey> rm
[05:19] <payan> what can i do?
[05:19] <exor|grey> though you might want mv
[05:19] <spasticteapot> sudo rm (file)?
[05:19] <spasticteapot> Just want to make sure I don't accidentally delete half my system configuration files....
[05:19] <spasticteapot> ....again.
[05:19] <exor|grey> i'd move it to /tmp until your sure it doesnt make anything worse
[05:20] <exor|grey> sudo mv /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin /tmp/
[05:20] <exor|grey> sudo mv /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin /tmp/
[05:21] <spasticteapot> Ah.
[05:21] <spasticteapot> mv moves a file without copying it?
[05:22] <spasticteapot> What's the comand to copy a file to another folder without removing it from its current folder?
[05:22] <exor|grey> cp
[05:22] <spasticteapot> ..duh.
[05:22] <spasticteapot> Thanks!
[05:22] <exor|grey> mv is also used for renaming
[05:22] <manchicken> CarlFK: USB
[05:23] <spasticteapot> I should remember these.
[05:23] <CarlFK> usb?
[05:23] <manchicken> CarlFK: The Treo is USB.
[05:23] <spasticteapot> Hey, it works!
[05:23] <spasticteapot> Whee!
[05:23] <manchicken> And I can't get it to work for the life of me.
[05:23] <spasticteapot> Thanks exor|grey!
[05:23] <CarlFK> oh yeah, that
[05:23] <manchicken> It's not getting assigned a device.
[05:24] <CarlFK> lsusb show anything?
[05:24] <exor|grey> spasticteapot: np, http://www.pixelbeat.org/cmdline.html
[05:24] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:24] <manchicken> But no /dev/ttyUSB*
[05:24] <manchicken> no /dev/pilot
[05:24] <manchicken> Nothing.
[05:24] <manchicken> lsusb -> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0830:0061 Palm, Inc.
[05:24] <CarlFK> wild
[05:25] <spasticteapot> Is there a guide out there for learning networking with Linux?
[05:25] <manchicken> [21486.477326]  usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 6
[05:25] <manchicken> [21490.369827]  usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 7
[05:25] <manchicken> [21490.578833]  usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[05:25] <spasticteapot> Due to mass incompetence and laziness, I'm the sysadmin for a student robotics group.
[05:25] <manchicken> That's what I get in dmesg
[05:25] <manchicken> That's it.
[05:25] <spasticteapot> (I was'nt the lazy and stupid one.)
[05:25] <DanaG> manchicken: can you try modprobing usbserial?
[05:25] <manchicken> err, not the disconnect.  I only got that because I disconnected first :)
[05:25] <spasticteapot> Since I put the whole network together out of stuff I found on the curb, nobody else knows how to do a dang thing with it.
[05:26] <spasticteapot> In other words....."Job Security".
[05:26] <manchicken> Just did, nothing new showing up in dmesg
[05:26] <CarlFK> spasticteapot: network admin gude
[05:26] <spasticteapot> I can tell Rob the Buisness Team Guy what a schmuck he is, and he can't do a dang thing about it.
[05:26] <spasticteapot> CarlFK: Link please?
[05:27] <manchicken> This is irritating.
[05:27] <spasticteapot> I know basic IP stuff (how to set up static IPs, what a Workgroup is, etc.)
[05:27] <manchicken> nixternal says that his Sony Clie is having the same trouble, and it wasn't not long ago.
[05:27] <CarlFK> spasticteapot: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/nag.html
[05:27] <spasticteapot> The "NAG". I like it.
[05:27] <CarlFK> im off - good luck all
[05:28] <manchicken> I'll be needing it.
[05:29] <spasticteapot> Any suggestions for some 3d animation or CAD software for Linux?
[05:29] <spasticteapot> We have a budget of "what I can get from Freecycle", which is to say, a bunch of PIII boxes.
[05:29] <spasticteapot> All of which I ressurected.
[05:29] <spasticteapot> ...more or less.
[05:30] <CarlFK> spasticteapot: qcad
[05:32] <spasticteapot> The reason I'm asking in Ubuntu+1 is that Feisty has a lot more of the modern packages; hence, a lot of software that would'nt run under Edgy should work.
[05:32] <spasticteapot> QCAD?
[05:33] <spasticteapot> I neeed 3D cad.
[05:33] <spasticteapot> Autodesk Inventor is preferred, but a single liscense is roughly ten times my annual budget of about $80.
[05:34] <MrFeetio> since the restriced drivers manager didnt auto-detached my nvidia gefource go 7400, i just set up the nvidia-glx on my own, but when i run desktop effects the windows wobbly but dont have titlw bars
[05:34] <payan> problem update-rc unexistent file!
[05:36] <shirish> anybody knows which log has all the updates stuff in it?
[05:40] <exor|grey> can anyone suggest a place to get support with xen on feisty?
[05:42] <DanaG> MrFeetio: you have to sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[05:43] <MrFeetio> danaG: thanks
[05:44] <DanaG> hmm, for that usbserial, see what depends on it, and try modprobe-ing those things:
[05:44] <DanaG> depmod -an | grep usbser
[05:44] <DanaG> (-a is to list only, not change anything)
[05:49] <poningru> !upgrade
[05:49] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:50] <wizard> crimsun: hey man?
[05:51] <crimsun> wizard: hi, busy atm.
[05:51] <wizard> crimsun: oh okay. Will i have any time to borrow you tonight?
[05:51] <crimsun> sure, let's say 30 minutes.
[05:51] <wizard> okay
[05:51] <wizard> i'll go play some counter-strike source in the meantime
[05:51] <wizard> crimsun: thanks again :-)
[05:59] <shirish>  crimsun: you there?
[05:59] <shirish> oops sorry did not see you are busy atm thing
[06:00] <shirish> DanaG: are u there?
[06:00] <|NewUser|> shirish: mOrning :)
[06:00] <shirish> |NewUser|: hey there, how are the updates happening?
[06:01] <|NewUser|> shirish: still upgrading :) but... one thing :/ my X working fine Automatic :S
[06:01] <|NewUser|> shirish: i aint do anything :S now Xserver starts auto :)
[06:02] <shirish> that is nice to hear
[06:03] <|NewUser|> shirish: ty goings to you.. as u said try to update. then maybe it will be fine.. i just update 10 packages.. after then due to electricity problem pc goes reboot auto.. when it up back Xserver fine auto :S
[06:04] <shirish> |NewUser|: it just needed the updates & fixed itself, there is some beauty now in how xserver-xorg-core and especially xorg.conf is written makes it more easy for people to troubleshoot unlike before
[06:05] <|NewUser|> shirish: yes maybe.. well but i have beta so it needs update maybe.
[06:06] <shirish> |NewUser|: yup, also if u can it would be cool if you downloaded the RC update when it happens & try that. see if anything goes wrong with that, any potential blocker
[06:06] <|NewUser|> shirish: well if any update happen then i keep my pc uptodate with that :)
[06:06] <shirish> hey Tomcat_ :
[06:06] <|NewUser|> *will
[06:07] <|NewUser|> shirish : want to ask something about beryl..
[06:07] <shirish> there are going to be quite a few updates in the next few days I think
[06:07] <MrFeetio> what should my color depth be set to for 3d effects?
[06:07] <shirish> not played much with it frankly as got integrated graphics
[06:07] <|NewUser|> shirish: i have " VGA compitable Controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3d (rev 01)" this video card.
[06:08] <|NewUser|> in Another Machine.. whichone fiesty installed.
[06:08] <shirish> ok go right ahead but do not know if I can help u with anything
[06:09] <|NewUser|> shirish: i dont know how to help myself.. i aint used beryl before:<
[06:09] <shirish> |NewUser|: same here have not had much luck with it, although then the hardware I run is almost 4 yrs. old
[06:10] <|NewUser|> shirish: so u want to say beryl supported new cards?
[06:10] <shirish> |NewUser|: supposedly yes, they are known to work wonders with new cards as well as quite a few old cards as well
[06:10] <shirish> !beryl
[06:10] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:11] <shirish> you should check that forum as well as that chat-room they have more info. about it
[06:11] <|NewUser|> shirish: okie thanks.
[06:11] <|NewUser|> shirish: one more thing. how can i mount my drives permenantly?
[06:12] <shirish> |NewUser|: what do u mean mount your drives permanently? You mean your ntfs partitions or what?
[06:12] <shirish> !apport
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apport - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <shirish> !info apport
[06:13] <ubotu> apport: automatically generate crash reports for debugging. In component main, is optional. Version 0.73 (feisty), package size 52 kB, installed size 292 kB
[06:27] <shirish> guys going out for some-time
[06:27] <|NewUser|> shirish: Cya.. dude. tc
[06:27] <dstanek> is there a good official set of instructions for upgrading to feisty? all i can find is forum posts with bits and pieces of information
[06:28] <tonyyarusso> "Change sources.  Pray.  Hit enter."
[06:29] <dstanek> tonyyarusso: i read somewhere that i could change drapper to feisty and it would work
[06:29] <dstanek> but i also read about something called the upgrade-manager
[06:31] <RushFreak> You mean the in-place upgrade, I suppose?
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> dstanek: I'm not sure what the upgrade-manager status is right now.  That will be the way to do it after release, but I'm not sure whether it is in place yet (I upgraded in November).  Regardless, you should upgrade Dapper to Edgy and then Edgy to Feisty, not skipping the step.
[06:32] <dstanek> RushFreak: hopefully :-)
[06:32] <dstanek> tonyyarusso: how can i upgrade to edgy then?
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> dstanek: Same thing, just replacing dapper with edgy first
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> !upgrade
[06:33] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:34] <RushFreak> I don't know what happens if you're running dapper and you run the upgrade.  It might be smart enough to go to Edgy first, then feisty.  I always keep up on the upgrades so I never tried skipping.
[06:36] <dstanek> i am from the Gentoo world where they upgrade you in places via packages
[06:36] <dstanek> ubotu: thx for the link
[06:37] <dstanek> oooh a bot :-)
[06:37] <valehru> Does anyone know how I could control totem via ssh on a different computer?  i.e., use my laptop to control the movie which is playing on a different computer?
[06:38] <Shelagh> Is there an issue with the nvidia driver? (apart from its closed nature)
[06:39] <Shelagh> I can't get it to work.
[06:39] <Shelagh> I have the restricted modules installed but xorg doesn't recognise that there is an nvidia module.
[06:40] <SuperTeece> Shelagh, there is a an ongoing (about a week or so now) nvidia issue
[06:40] <SuperTeece> I saw a fix one day but because I don't use nvidia I didn't pay much attention
[06:48] <wizard> crimsun: hey just following up with ya?
[06:50] <crimsun> wizard: hi, where were we?
[06:50] <wizard> alright cool
[06:50] <wizard> we were working on getting sound
[06:50] <wizard> crimsun: i'll need to reboot to linux if you can give me a moment, was playing some video games heh
[06:52] <Shelagh> SuperTeece: Ah thanks. Beginning to think I was going mad.
[06:53] <SuperTeece> No prob
[06:53] <junmin> hi gusy, your xmms keeps a infinit pre-buffering loop when you want to listen to some radio station??!
[06:53] <junmin> guys*
[06:54] <wizard_> crimsun: alright, I am here
[06:56] <Shelagh> SuperTeece: Do you know where the "fix" was likely to be?
[06:58] <SuperTeece> launchpad or ubuntuforums.org
[06:59] <crimsun> wizard_: right, where were we?
[07:00] <SuperTeece> and I don't think there us a "fix" just a workaround
[07:02] <wizard> crimsun: we were at the part where we loaded a bunch of models
[07:02] <wizard> but still no sound
[07:02] <Shelagh> SuperTeece: found the reference. Thanks
[07:04] <crimsun> wizard: right, which models did you try?
[07:04] <wizard> crimsun: laptop, auto, 3stack, laptop-esp(or something), uhmmm
[07:04] <wizard> i think thats it?
[07:14] <wizard> crimsun: iunno what to do :-(
[07:24] <aaroncampbell> what package gives me mod_rewrite for apache?
[07:25] <wizard> crimsun: you there?
[07:26] <crimsun> wizard: I'm on the phone atm
[07:26] <Draconicus> My spca5xx driver disappeared after an update. Anyone know how I can get it back?
[07:26] <wizard> crimsun: oh okay
[07:26] <crimsun> wizard: please pastebin http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh output somewhere
[07:29] <flowbot> i'm doing a net install, and am currently at "Select and install software" ... i chose xubuntu-desktop, but the progress bar has been at 6% for over an hour now - hundreds of megabytes have been downloaded in the meantime ... will it not go past 6% until it's finished downloading all the packages, or is there a chance that it is not working properly?
[07:30] <wizard> crimsun: okay
[07:30] <wizard> crimsun: wait should i download that sh file and run it?
[07:32] <wizard> crimsun: it reports an error before running.
[07:32] <Gabz> If i give 7.04 to a person who isn't at all tech minded.... is this a bad idea should a wait for the full release ?
[07:33] <wizard> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14341/
[07:33] <Gabz> and will the beta auto machiically update to the full release with me changing anything
[07:34] <wizard> crimsun: woops my bad man
[07:35] <wizard> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/428006 thats what u wanted
[07:37] <wizard> crimsun: hope that was resourceful some
[07:38] <DanaG> Oh, hey, I've been AFK for ages,
[07:39] <DanaG> or, more like, AF-IRC; working on an assignment.
[07:39] <DanaG> Kinda' late now.
[07:40] <DanaG> har har har: http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[07:48] <crimsun> wizard: looking when I finish the call
[07:48] <wizard> crimsun: kk boss :-)
[07:50] <hooray> lol /join #buttsex
[07:51] <RAOF> !ohmy | hoora
[07:51] <ubotu> hoora: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:51] <RAOF> !ohmy | hooray
[07:51] <ubotu> hooray: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:51] <hooray> i was trying to join channel /philosophy and it doesnt work
[07:52] <hooray> but that one does
[07:53] <wizard> exit
[07:56] <wizard> crimsun: alright im done tinkering lol so whenever you're ready
[08:03] <Lynoure> For some time now on Feisty I have gotten "Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." when I try to unmount ("safely remove") my mp3 player (usb memory stick). It worked fine at a somewhat earlier Feisty. Am I alone with this?
[08:04] <Lynoure> I vaguely suspect it was caused by the udev change, but that's pretty much just a guess
[08:04] <icecruncher> Lynoure: No, there are apperently quite a few usb errors in the kernel
[08:05] <icecruncher> Lynoure: for some people it wont recognize the usb at all or it wont mount
[08:05] <Lynoure> icecruncher: I think at least with -11 this still worked smoothly for me.
[08:06] <icecruncher> dunno
[08:08] <Lynoure> icecruncher: thanks, still :)
[08:09] <icecruncher> mp
[08:09] <icecruncher> *np
[08:13] <Mena> IS there a new realese of fiesty
[08:13] <Mena> !fiesty
[08:13] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:17] <flowbot> is there any reason the current daily won't fit on a CD?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> yes.  it's likely oversized again
[08:18] <wizard> crimsun: if you can just send me a /msg when you get back cos my eyes are off to the side
[08:19] <crimsun> wizard: I cannot send queries, because I'm not identified.
[08:19] <crimsun> and I'm still on the phone.
[08:19] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it requires recovering a password, and I don't have access to that email account presently
[08:19] <flowbot> Hobbsee, tomorrow may be different?
[08:20] <wizard> crimsun: ohh okay
[08:20] <mycroftiv> is 2.6.20-14 the final kernel for Feisty?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh
[08:20] <crimsun> mycroftiv: no.
[08:20] <wizard> crimsun: well whenever you have time then
[08:20] <Hobbsee> flowbot: probably not tomorrow.  when they do the rc, though...
[08:20] <wizard> i'll try to keep a closer eye out
[08:24] <jussi01> morning all
[08:25] <jussi01> is there a way to get my machine to boot verbosely.... it pauses for about 30-40 sec aboout halfway to booting up...
[08:26] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee...
[08:26] <mycroftiv> jussi01: yeah theres a way to do it, i think you can just tweak something in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:26] <crimsun> just edit the kernel command line and remove `splash' and `quiet'
[08:26] <RAOF> jussi01: Yes.  When it's booting up, it'll say "press ESC to enter grub", or something similar.
[08:27] <RAOF> Then you do what crimsun said :)
[08:27] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01
[08:27] <jussi01> ahhh... thanks.... Ill be back in a few with a problem....
[08:31] <Toma-> hmm. whats the joystick testing app?
[08:33] <shirish> hmm, on the same note, what is the brain testing tool, I forgot its called ubuntu feisty :)
[08:34] <jussi01> OK, Im back, it hangs for about 30 seconds on configuring network interfaces....
[08:34] <jussi01> I have a intel 2200bg for wirless
[08:35] <wizard> i am suffering from depression. no music!
[08:35] <shirish> !printing
[08:35] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[08:35] <crimsun> wizard: did you try -13 as we suggested?
[08:35] <wizard> crimsun: i don't have it installed and i really hate backtracking kernel versions
[08:36] <shirish> guys is there or is there not a seperate IRC channel for printing?
[08:36] <wizard> crimsun: i am half-tempted to go back to edgy-eft
[08:36] <shirish> I meant ubuntu-printing
[08:36] <shirish> or something like that
[08:36] <macogw> wizard: how do you not have it installed?
[08:36] <Toma-> shirish: whats the prob?
[08:36] <K`zan> I'm having all sorts of USB problems, should I re-install udev?
[08:36] <wizard> macogw: I went straight from -10 to -14
[08:36] <macogw> howd you do that?
[08:37] <macogw> didnt update for 2 months?
[08:37] <wizard> followed the ubuntu guide lol
[08:37] <shirish> Toma:- I have a friend who has ubuntu dapper installed & he has an .rpm driver as the printer driver
[08:37] <DanaG> Why no music?
[08:37] <jussi01> la de da...
[08:37] <wizard> DanaG: no sound
[08:37] <wizard> everything else works 100%, no sound
[08:37] <crimsun> wizard: did 2.6.20-10 give you audible sound?
[08:37] <Toma-> shirish: use alien to convert it and cross your fingers it works?
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: yup 10 worked great except for networking
[08:38] <hylje> mm
[08:38] <hylje> opera stopped working after last update
[08:38] <jussi01> shirish,  which printer
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: but i allowed the install to remove 10 like a fool
[08:38] <crimsun> wizard: notice that I'm not talking about 2.6.17-10 but 2.6.20-10
[08:38] <shirish> Toma:- I already did that, the deb is there, what else needs to be done
[08:38] <Toma-> shirish: better yet, get the sources for the driver (if its possible) and install it that way
[08:38] <Toma-> shirish: dpkg -i yournew.deb
[08:38] <wizard> err crimsun whatever ubuntu edgy's kernel is worked just fine
[08:38] <wizard> crimsun: except for there were lots and lots of errors with network-manager
[08:38] <crimsun> wizard: that's 2.6.17-10 NOT 2.6.20-10
[08:38] <shirish> jussio1, Toma Ill get the webpage for the printer then u guys can help me more better
[08:39] <crimsun> wizard: and that really makes my life a lot more miserable
[08:39] <crimsun> wizard: there have been a ton of changes between these two kernels
[08:39] <wizard> crimsun: this was my first feisty install and it was brand new yesterday.
[08:39] <wizard> i was half-tempted to try a fresh from-cd feisty install
[08:40] <DanaG> You can dig around on repos for old kernel versions/
[08:40] <DanaG> .
[08:40] <crimsun> wizard: can you download the beta cd and try sound there?
[08:40] <wizard> crimsun: yeah
[08:40] <wizard> what cd writing software does gnome use by default?
[08:40] <crimsun> what's built into nautilus
[08:41] <jussi01> wizard, just right click the iso and burn to disk...
[08:41] <wizard> jussi01: okay
[08:41] <shirish> Toma, jussi01: the printer is an Epson Stylus Photo R230
[08:41] <wizard> well the download is comming half-way around the world
[08:41] <wizard> but i'll test it
[08:41] <wizard> crimsun: so you want me to just boot up and then see if i have sound out-of-box on the livecd?
[08:41] <crimsun> wizard: yes
[08:42] <wizard> crimsun: okay, i think i can manage that
[08:42] <shirish> Toma, jussi01 :- http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_ink.html
[08:42] <wizard> i was already considering a reinstall since i fricked up and started with kubuntu
[08:42] <Toma-> shirish: im pretty sure that driver is in gutenprint. ive got a epson R550 working without any need for pesky rpms
[08:42] <crimsun> kubuntu works dandy
[08:42] <crimsun> well, at least in my VM
[08:43] <wizard> i don't like kde for laptop use
[08:43] <wizard> i like simple and basic
[08:43] <wizard> gnome = simple and basic
[08:43] <shirish> Toma:- I searched in linuxprinting.org as well as at guten-print they have till epson Stylus photo R220, I did install whatever came with dapper but that is it
[08:43] <wizard> off topic but.... is there a way to make gnome lock my icons to the right side of the desktop?
[08:43] <DanaG> This has .20-12:
[08:43] <DanaG> http://san1.csc.calpoly.edu/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/
[08:43] <Toma-> shirish: can you not use the 220 driver?
[08:43] <jussi01> shirish, you can use the 220 driver
[08:44] <Lynoure> I like configurability, especially on a laptop :) Now if I only could make my menus less high...
[08:44] <DanaG> and go up to restricted and find restricted-modules.
[08:44] <shirish> Toma, jussi01:- I have used it but it only spiffs out test prints nothing from any of the apps
[08:44] <Toma-> shirish: youre apps are probably printing to postscript
[08:44] <K`zan> Camera (/dev/ttyUSB0) won't register even though usbview sees it, ditto with the Palm Pilot (/dev/ttyUSB1) - any ideas.  /dev entries are what was coming up when the devices were plugged in.  Any thoughts appreciated!
[08:45] <shirish> Toma:- how do I find out if they are printing to postscript
[08:45] <Toma-> shirish: try printing something from gedit and make sure you select the printer in the print section
[08:46] <Lynoure> jussi01: mine started to do that at last kernel update too.
[08:46] <shirish> Toma:- I tried doing it from evince, or document viewer nothing
[08:46] <jussi01> Lynoure, have you reported a bug?
[08:46] <Lynoure> jussi01: same wireless by the way, but I assume there can be other reasons
[08:46] <jussi01> oh
[08:46] <Lynoure> jussi01: no, not yet. Did not dig for the cause yet.
[08:46] <Toma-> shirish: ok, ive got no idea :( im busy debugging my SNES controller hack
[08:46] <shirish> Toma:- when I give lpr filename it prints but only 1/4th of the page not the whole page
[08:47] <shirish> Toma:- ok cool
[08:47] <Lynoure> jussi01: if you did, I'll happily confirm it for you.
[08:47] <Lynoure> jussi01: kubuntu or ubuntu?
[08:47] <shirish> jussi01: can u help me?
[08:47] <jussi01> Lynoure, ubuntu
[08:48] <jussi01> shirish, Im not sure from here on.... for me cups=cant usually print stuff...sorry
[08:48] <shirish> jussi01: ok cool
[08:48] <helga> so 2.6.20 wont load for me...it hangs on enterprise volume manager and throws weird errors forever
[08:48] <helga> older kernels work fine
[08:49] <helga> this is an upgrade from edgy
[08:50] <wizard> crimsun: if this doesn't work i may downgrade back to ubuntu 6.10 and wait out till the official 7.04
[08:50] <hylje> opera segfaults on newer X, BadDevice errors
[08:51] <crimsun> wizard: that's your choice. I can guarantee it won't be fixed for Feisty, however, if we don't at least attempt to pinpoint the culprit.
[08:52] <wizard> crimsun: well i've been reading around and it seems a lot of people that use snd_hda_intel are suffering the same flaws.
[08:52] <crimsun> "the same flaws"?
[08:52] <wizard> crimsun: no sound, unable to get sound
[08:52] <crimsun> no, that's a symptom with at least a hundred different causes
[08:53] <wizard> well im working on it man but like anyone else...
[08:53] <wizard> im burning out a lil bit.
[08:53] <wizard> i like ubuntu, its come leaps and bounds and gnome looks hot.
[08:53] <wizard> but i just want to also be able to watch some net videos with sound and get wifi workin. feisty almost is perfect
[08:53] <AngryElf_> does fiesty use aiglx or xgl/
[08:54] <icecruncher> how can you backdowngrade?
[08:54] <crimsun> wizard: how can you even say that you feel burnt out? I've been doing alsa work for YEARS.
[08:54] <wizard> crimsun: i've been googling and not sleeping trying to find self-fixes before frustrating anyone else
[08:55] <crimsun> wizard: then consider the Feisty Beta desktop iso another step in the debugging, because I certainly do, and I GUARANTEE I've spent more time debugging this issue than the vast majority of people.
[08:55] <icecruncher> can anyone tell me how to backdowngrade??
[08:55] <crimsun> icecruncher: additional context needed
[08:55] <wizard> crimsun: ohh don't get me wrong im still trying -- and i do appreciate all you're doing
[08:56] <jussi01> Lynoure, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbase/+bug/102675
[08:56] <ubotu> Malone bug 102675 in netbase "Feisty boot hangs on "Configuring network interfaces"" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:56] <wizard> crimsun: in no way was i trying to pun your efforts to help me if it appeared that way my apologies, i am very grateful you're taking your time at this.
[08:56] <icecruncher> crimsun: as in go back to edgy from feisty
[08:56] <crimsun> icecruncher: reinstall edgy.
[08:56] <icecruncher> crimsun: possible as a live network install?
[08:57] <crimsun> icecruncher: using the same netboot method that has been available since warty, yes.
[08:57] <icecruncher> crimsun: could you give me link perhaps?
[08:58] <crimsun> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[08:58] <wizard>  heh warty... 2004 ubuntu
[08:59] <crimsun> icecruncher: substitute "i386" with the desired arch
[08:59] <icecruncher> crimsun: pls a bit more detail, am pretty new at this lol
[09:00] <crimsun> icecruncher: do a google search for "ubuntu netinstall pxe"
[09:00] <icecruncher> k
[09:03] <DanaG> Oh, it IS possible to downgrade distros.
[09:03] <DanaG> Google for
[09:03] <DanaG> /etc/apt/preferences
[09:03] <DanaG> in quotes.
[09:04] <DanaG> You have to have repos for both enabled.
[09:04] <crimsun> sure, but it's NASTY.
[09:04] <DanaG> Also, it doesn't always work correctly.
[09:04] <DanaG> now I have a new apprecation for what Linux developers have to deal with.
[09:04] <crimsun> and I'm not going to give a solution that doesn't always work correctly and can lead to data loss.
[09:05] <DanaG> I came from Java, so C is a lot more "nitty-gritty".
[09:05] <DanaG> Right, the !worksforme thing applies to downgrades
[09:05] <DanaG> !worksforme
[09:05] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:05] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~gfisher/classes/357/programs/1/writeup-revised.html
[09:07] <crimsun> nice to see that we're still recommending the broken strcpy(3)
[09:07] <DanaG> I didn't use that in my implementation.
[09:08] <crimsun> I think the last professor I had smacked me in the face when he saw that.
[09:08] <icecruncher> crimsun: how about a internet install?
[09:08] <crimsun> as a result, I now smack my students when I see that.
[09:08] <DanaG> Funny things I found with man str<tab>:   strfry and (through "see also") memfrob.
[09:08] <crimsun> icecruncher: em, the netboot _is_ an Internet install.
[09:09] <icecruncher> crimsun: true, but I don't have anny other comps or a cd to write on
[09:10] <icecruncher> crimsun: lol, sorry, i see it no
[09:10] <icecruncher> crimsun: but is there also a version for kubuntu
[09:10] <icecruncher> ?
[09:10] <crimsun> DanaG: the last, with contributions from the former two.
[09:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[09:11] <DanaG> I believe SuSE did have some of it, to a lesser degree.  I was surprised that tab-completion was not by default enabled for sudo (or sudo -i) in Ubuntu/Debian.
[09:11] <wizard> crimsun: the iso is only about half-way done
[09:11] <wizard> so its gonna be a lil bit
[09:11] <crimsun> icecruncher: it's largely irrelevant. Just install kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-minimal.
[09:11] <icecruncher> yeah, true
[09:12] <crimsun> wizard: that's fine
[09:12] <DanaG> One thing I've learned, that now seems kinda' obvious:  Just because something isn't what I'm looking for, it doesn't mean it's bad.
[09:12] <wizard> the dl just got slower and slower lol
[09:12] <crimsun> I'll be here all night, more than likely
[09:12] <wizard> went from 750 kbps to 101
[09:12] <DanaG> I prefer Gnome over KDE, because KDE feels bulky to me; however, that doesn't mean KDE is bad.
[09:12] <DanaG> The same is true for Apple stuff --
[09:12] <wizard> DanaG: apple owner for 5 years
[09:12] <wizard> they are bad now lol
[09:13] <wizard> not so much for design but so much for the "We charge this much, you get wee bit"
[09:13] <DanaG> I got something by Cowon, instead of the Apple iPod anything, because iPod didn't do what I want.  That doesn't mean it's bad, though.
[09:13] <icecruncher> crimsun: ok just to double check, boot from live cd, then choose network install (when) and put in the internet address...
[09:13] <jussi01> !java
[09:13] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[09:13] <jussi01> !java feisty
[09:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java feisty - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:13] <jussi01> !info java feisty
[09:14] <ubotu> Package java does not exist in feisty
[09:14] <DanaG> However, this is the first time I've ever been truly pissed off at Apple:
[09:14] <DanaG> http://www.ergoblog.com/2005/07/fingerworks_clo.html
[09:14] <wizard> isn't java default now?
[09:14] <crimsun> icecruncher: no.
[09:14] <crimsun> icecruncher: pxe boot.
[09:14] <wizard> DanaG: you know what pissed me off aobut apple? the way they claimed to be holier-than-thu on hardware
[09:14] <DanaG> http://www.ergoamerica.com/pad.html
[09:15] <wizard> and a side by side comparison of the most expensive macbook pro vs. an asus was a no-brainer for the asus.
[09:15] <DanaG> Apple bought and killed them.
[09:15] <DanaG> Imagine how wonderful that board would be for people with physical disabilities!
[09:16] <icecruncher> crimsun: sorry, i still dont get it
[09:18] <jussi01> far out...
[09:19] <jussi01> why does flash from the repos always take so freakin long?? like cant they change the download site so we get more that 5 BYTES per second???
[09:19] <jussi01> grrr
[09:21] <wizard> amsn would be cool if it used gtk or even qt
[09:21] <crimsun> jussi01: meaning flashplugin-nonfree?
[09:21] <wizard> it just looks so ugly, yet it supports webcams
[09:21] <jussi01> crimsun, yeah
[09:21] <crimsun> jussi01: it's because we /can't/ grab it from any other site.
[09:21] <Adlai> anyone know why USB devices aren't being recognized after a recent update?
[09:21] <jussi01> oh..
[09:21] <Adlai> and preferably, how to fix it
[09:22] <icecruncher> crimsun: I'm following this link http://abel.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/~janos/unix/howto/pxe.html, but I'm confused of where to use this command mkdir pxelinux.cfg
[09:22] <[Phaedrus] > Is there a way to do remote desktop to your ubuntu machine, from windows?
[09:24] <crimsun> icecruncher: just see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD , then.
[09:26] <icecruncher> crimsun: I don't have any cd's to burn to
[09:27] <crimsun> icecruncher: then use any of the other advanced network methods on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[09:30] <Tomcat_> Eh... Herd-6 is cancelled? Does anyone know more?
[09:31] <crimsun> we're concentrating on RC.
[09:32] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000272.html
[09:44] <AngryElf_> ugh, now I can't even log into my session, after typing password, screen goes blank except for mouse -- it's not xorg.conf as i've tried a few versions and reconfigured
[09:44] <AngryElf_> no apparent errors in Xorg.0.log (last three lines are about missing font paths though)
[09:45] <AngryElf_> bah, wrong channel
[09:46] <Zambezi> Anyone have any idea why the previewscan is just black when I try to scan with my "supported" HP Scanjet 4370?
[09:50] <Crazytom> giovanni2122, how old is the computer?
[09:50] <giovanni2122> if anyone could help that'd be great, i just installed 7.04 and i started using desktop effects yesterday, but about 10minutes into using it
[09:50] <giovanni2122> it just stopped
[09:50] <giovanni2122> how old is my computer?
[09:50] <Crazytom> yes
[09:50] <giovanni2122> i just built it
[09:51] <Crazytom> did you use an x fi soundcard?
[09:51] <macogw> what kinda graphis?
[09:51] <giovanni2122> do you want the specs?
[09:51] <macogw> *graphics
[09:51] <macogw> yes
[09:51] <giovanni2122> no i use a m-audio revolution
[09:51] <giovanni2122> a evga 512mb 7950gt ko
[09:51] <Tomcat_> Thx crimsun.
[09:51] <Crazytom> you'll proly be fine using feisty then
[09:51] <giovanni2122> okay
[09:51] <giovanni2122> so all the effects on like youtube will be good to go on mine?
[09:51] <macogw> did compiz or the whole thing stop?
[09:52] <macogw> giovanni2122: well compiz is beta
[09:52] <giovanni2122> did compiz?
[09:52] <giovanni2122> sorry really new i have no idea
[09:52] <giovanni2122> basically
[09:52] <giovanni2122> before i did the ctrl+alt+left click and drag to rotate
[09:52] <macogw> did your computer freeze or did the wobblies disappear?
[09:52] <giovanni2122> and now i just drag a window
[09:52] <giovanni2122> instead of rotating the cube
[09:52] <giovanni2122> no the windows still wobble
[09:52] <giovanni2122> and in the bottom right
[09:52] <giovanni2122> there is still a pic of a cube
[09:52] <macogw> so -just- the cube went screwy?
[09:52] <giovanni2122> it just won't work
[09:52] <giovanni2122> like it wont rotate
[09:53] <giovanni2122> or even go to other faces
[09:53] <giovanni2122> then the one im on
[09:53] <macogw> yeah there've been cube issues for the last few days...
[09:53] <giovanni2122> i mean its fine
[09:53] <giovanni2122> in 2 weeks im gonna format and install the release
[09:53] <macogw> up until like a week ago cube didnt work at all i dont think
[09:53] <giovanni2122> but i was just wondering for the mean time how to play around so i know what im doing when i get the release
[09:53] <macogw> but the desktop effects are compiz, and compiz is beta software.  it is buggy and will occasionally crash and that's just how it is
[09:53] <giovanni2122> okay
[09:54] <giovanni2122> well thats fine then
[09:54] <giovanni2122> i mean even on a restart it wont work
[09:54] <giovanni2122> but yeah ill just wait for the release
[09:54] <giovanni2122> but i had a couple questions do you mind answering them?
[09:54] <macogw> you can install gnome-compiz-manager to configure it more fully than "desktop effects" allows
[09:54] <macogw> it has a lot more options than "wobble" and "cube"
[09:55] <macogw> sure
[09:55] <LoneShadow> I have a dual boot containing xp and vista, can I install feisty without messing up boot options ?
[09:55] <macogw> LoneShadow: uh....sorta
[09:56] <macogw> you can make a /boot partition and tell it to put grub there then chainlink the windows bootloader in the mbr and tell it to load grub which will load linux
[09:56] <giovanni2122> how do i install gnome-compiz-manager
[09:56] <giovanni2122> ?
[09:56] <macogw> or you can have grub go on the mbr and it'll automatically add the 2 windowses to the menu.lst
[09:56] <macogw> giovanni2122: sudo apt-get install gnome-compiz-manager
[09:56] <macogw> same way you install anything :p
[09:58] <giovanni2122> sorry really new to all fo this
[09:58] <giovanni2122> and i enter that into the box when i do alt-f2?
[09:58] <macogw> LoneShadow: ive never done it though.  i know it adds them just dandy if they're linux.  for windows you may have to grub > ntldr > windows chainlink, but idk how
[09:58] <giovanni2122> because i did and nothing happened
[09:58] <macogw> google it
[09:58] <macogw> giovanni2122: why are you using unstable?
[09:58] <giovanni2122> unstable?
[09:58] <giovanni2122> whats that?
[09:59] <LoneShadow> vista has changes its boot loader
[09:59] <macogw> giovanni2122: well the next thing it would do after entering that command is ask for a password which it couldnt because you used the application launcher
[09:59] <LoneShadow> changed*
[09:59] <macogw> use the terminal
[09:59] <giovanni2122> how do i use the terminal?
[09:59] <LoneShadow> some folks had issues installing dapper as dual boot
[09:59] <macogw> giovanni2122: applications > accessories > terminal
[09:59] <macogw> giovanni2122: you really shouldnt be using unstable if you don't know your way around the terminal
[10:00] <macogw> giovanni2122: unstable means it's not stable.  stable releases are finished and working and not so buggy
[10:00] <icecruncher> sells $macogw on ebay
[10:00] <macogw> unstable tend to accidentally break
[10:00] <macogw> icecruncher: why's that?
[10:00] <giovanni2122> how do i use it after its done?
[10:01] <macogw> giovanni2122: when it's released, you'll know that the bugs have been worked out and you can use it without worrying about having to fix things that broke.  often when things break, the way to fix them involves using the terminal.  sometimes, it involves ONLY having a terminal and nothing that can let you use a mouse or click on things. in those cases, you need to know the terminal rather well
[10:02] <giovanni2122> okay
[10:02] <giovanni2122> ill read up on it
[10:02] <wizard> crimsun: the cd is finally writing
[10:02] <giovanni2122> how do i access the gnome-compiz-manager
[10:02] <giovanni2122> once its done downloading
[10:02] <wizard> crimsun: if you're still up
[10:02] <giovanni2122> ?
[10:02] <macogw> giovanni2122: once it's installed, i assume it will appear in a menu somewhere. if not, that's when you can use the application launcher
[10:02] <macogw> (the alt f2 thing)
[10:03] <giovanni2122> and just type
[10:03] <giovanni2122> gnome-compiz-manager?
[10:03] <macogw> yeah
[10:03] <giovanni2122> thats weird
[10:03] <giovanni2122> it says file not found
[10:03] <macogw> almost any application can be launched by typing its name in either the application launcher or the terminal
[10:03] <giovanni2122> but the terminal returned to the normal line after i typed what you said
[10:03] <giovanni2122> does that not necessarily mean it installed correctly
[10:04] <giovanni2122> >
[10:04] <giovanni2122> ?
[10:04] <macogw> well i guess i should try installing it...
[10:04] <macogw> i dont have it installed because i use beryl
[10:04] <macogw> which is slightly less stable than compiz branch of compiz
[10:04] <crimsun> wizard: ok.
[10:04] <giovanni2122> i wish i knew enough to install all of that
[10:04] <macogw> giovanni2122: open a terminal and type man man
[10:04] <giovanni2122> so the 7.04 release will feature everything beryl and beryl xgl will have to offer?
[10:05] <macogw> try to read that
[10:05] <mnk> hi all - i am using feisty and my nvidia drivers were working - but now they are not - it keeps saying nvidia.ko not found
[10:05] <macogw> giovanni2122: itll have compiz, but not enabled by default, just installed.  compiz is a "might work" because some graphics cards don't work with it.  it's not a "guaranteed not to crash" but it won't take down the system if it does
[10:06] <mnk> this happened only after i performed an update
[10:06] <macogw> mnk: the linux-restricted-modules didnt update them
[10:06] <macogw> *then
[10:06] <macogw> boot into the -13 one instead
[10:06] <giovanni2122> so if i want to do all of the crazy beryl xgl stuff
[10:06] <giovanni2122> what shoudl i do
[10:06] <macogw> and run an upgrade from there to see if the rest gets in
[10:06] <giovanni2122> wait for 7.04
[10:06] <giovanni2122> and install beryl xgl
[10:06] <giovanni2122> just use 6.1
[10:06] <giovanni2122> ??
[10:06] <macogw> giovanni2122: you dont need beryl
[10:06] <macogw> compiz will be on 7.04
[10:07] <[Cade] > macogw, speaking of which: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2415171#post2415171
[10:07] <K`zan> Well, sigh, with these usb problems it looks like I am headed back to edgy :-(.
[10:07] <giovanni2122> okay but you said it might crash
[10:07] <macogw> theyre very very similar
[10:07] <[Cade] > I just typed that up REAL quick like
[10:07] <[Cade] > ^_^;
[10:07] <mnk> what is the -13 one? i don't understand
[10:07] <giovanni2122> so wouldn't beryl be mroe stable
[10:07] <macogw> giovanni2122: no beryl is less stable
[10:07] <macogw> it's like compiz's testing ground
[10:07] <giovanni2122> ah
[10:07] <macogw> mnk: the linux kernel upgrade that happened today was 2.6.20-14
[10:07] <giovanni2122> okay so basically waiting for the release of 7.04 to come out
[10:07] <giovanni2122> would be the best option at this point
[10:07] <K`zan> Before I go, anyone else loose devices that need /dev/ttyUSB* with updates today?
[10:07] <macogw> mnk: when grub loads, you should pick 2.6.20-13
[10:08] <macogw> giovanni2122: well you can get them working with 6.10 without much difficulty too.  it's "copy and paste this into the terminal" off of howtos, but neither will be stable on feisty regardless
[10:08] <macogw> neither of them will be stable for at least a few months
[10:08] <mnk> oic
[10:08] <giovanni2122> k
[10:08] <mnk> and then what macogw
[10:08] <LoneShadow> can I use the cd as a livecd ?
[10:09] <mnk> ?
[10:09] <macogw> well, actually, they're about to merge, and then theyll smooth everything out and then theyll get it stable
[10:09] <giovanni2122> alright well also how do i access my linux drive while in xp?
[10:09] <giovanni2122> or can i?
[10:09] <macogw> mnk: after booting into the -13?  run the upgrader again.  the linux-restricted-modules for -14 didn't get into your box apparently, so you'll need to get it to install
[10:10] <macogw> giovanni2122: you can install ext2 drivers for windows
[10:10] <mnk> macogw: would it work if i uninstalled it and then reinstalled it?
[10:10] <giovanni2122> and where do i get that?
[10:10] <giovanni2122> just google it?
[10:10] <macogw> giovanni2122: the way i'm set up is that i have the feisty system files on one partition, system files for fedora on another, and then a big data partition that both share
[10:10] <macogw> you can do that with ubuntu/windows to share your data
[10:10] <macogw> if you make that partition fat-32, both of them can read it
[10:11] <giovanni2122> k well i have xp on one hdd
[10:11] <giovanni2122> linux on one hdd
[10:11] <giovanni2122> and vista on teh third
[10:11] <macogw> mnk: no you need to get the new version.  that doesn do it
[10:11] <mnk> ok
[10:11] <mnk> brb
[10:11] <macogw> giovanni2122: oh ok
[10:11] <giovanni2122> okay so should i make that partition fat-32 in linux or in windows?
[10:12] <macogw> giovanni2122: it wont be "in" anything
[10:12] <macogw> it'll be by itself
[10:12] <giovanni2122> well i mean like
[10:12] <giovanni2122> which OS do i use to format it to fat-32
[10:12] <giovanni2122> sorry
[10:12] <macogw> but fat32 fragments, so you're probably better off doing it like this:
[10:12] <macogw> on the linux drive, have 3 partitions
[10:12] <macogw> 10gb for /
[10:12] <macogw> 1gb for swap
[10:12] <macogw> and the rest for /home
[10:12] <macogw> the installer will let you pick how those are named
[10:13] <giovanni2122> and how do i do that
[10:13] <macogw> i mean, it lets you pick mount points (which are like a: c: names, but the way linux sees them)
[10:13] <giovanni2122> if i have partition magic in windows
[10:13] <macogw> giovanni2122: the installer for linux does it
[10:13] <giovanni2122> so i just reinsert the boot cd
[10:13] <giovanni2122> and run linux off of the cd
[10:13] <giovanni2122> and in the install itll have it?
[10:14] <macogw> giovanni2122: when you install final version, and the installer's going, there'll be an option to manually partition the drive
[10:14] <giovanni2122> oh okay
[10:14] <giovanni2122> and linux can't read NTFC
[10:14] <giovanni2122> or NTSC whichever its called
[10:14] <macogw> giovanni2122: the way that partitioning scheme works is your system files are in /, swap is virtual memory, and /home is where your configurations and files are
[10:14] <macogw> NTFS
[10:15] <giovanni2122> haha okay
[10:15] <giovanni2122> linux can't read that though?
[10:15] <macogw> if you ever need to reinstall linux, you can tell the installer to mount /home and then instead of having a blank drive, you'll still have all your stuff
[10:15] <macogw> there are beta drivers for linux to read NTFS
[10:15] <giovanni2122> k
[10:15] <macogw> when i've used them for rescue-work on my friend's laptop, they've worked
[10:16] <giovanni2122> one last question and thank you so much for helping again
[10:16] <macogw> there are good drivers for windows to be able to read linux drives as well
[10:16] <giovanni2122> how do i do like a ctrl-alt-delete in linux
[10:16] <giovanni2122> to end tasks
[10:16] <Crazytom> kill -9 number
[10:16] <macogw> giovanni2122: loaded question...
[10:16] <macogw> Crazytom: he wont understand that
[10:16] <Crazytom> ps -aux
[10:16] <macogw> aux?
[10:16] <macogw> i always use -e
[10:17] <giovanni2122> hey i found it
[10:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: sound on the feisty cd!
[10:17] <giovanni2122> system monitor right?
[10:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: theres sound!!!
[10:17] <macogw> giovanni2122: yes that's it
[10:17] <macogw> but if you're *really* locked, you might not be able to get to it
[10:18] <macogw> then again, if you're *really* locked, there's ctrl alt backspace
[10:18] <giovanni2122> k thanks again
[10:18] <macogw> that restarts the X server which is the graphical stuff and logs you out
[10:18] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: uname -r
[10:19] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: 2.6.20-12
[10:20] <crimsun> ok, so that's a starting point.
[10:20] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> should i reinstall from the CD and see how it goes from there?
[10:21] <crimsun> nah, I'd rsync up to the current daily-live
[10:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> how do i do that?
[10:21] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: but i am also worried about the ammount of damage i've done trying to get sound to work too
[10:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> it concerns me that even if i find a fix, it may not work due to other attempted-fixes
[10:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> fortunately i can hose this install because its 2 days old
[10:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: and i separated my partitions so i can log straight back in to my home folder
[10:24] <crimsun> install the rsync package, then ``rsync -vPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-live/current/feisty*i386.iso .''
[10:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> * replace with the nightly for today or just leave it as star?
[10:26] <crimsun> that command verbatim
[10:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> okay
[10:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if this doesn't work... hose it?
[10:26] <crimsun> make sure you're in the directory containing the actual image.
[10:26] <Crazytom> t3hwiz0rd-ibook, do you have an x fi sound card?
[10:27] <crimsun> hmm, actually you'll end up download the entire image again, it seems, since the files are named differently
[10:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the image that i have here?
[10:27] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: just leave the rsync running overnight, then, and burn it and boot from it later to verify whether sound works in the current daily-live
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: is that secondary period at the end of iso supposed to be there
[10:29] <crimsun> yes.
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> okay cos i typed it and hit enter and its still kinda... sitting
[10:29] <crimsun> there's actually a space between the 'o' and the '.'
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> yeah i did that
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i hit enter it cleared to the next line but isn't showing any status
[10:29] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> just a blinking cursor
[10:30] <crimsun> be patient
[10:30] <mnk> macogw: i tried what u said but it still says nvidia.ko not found - it is looking in some directory called volatile or something. i did a locate for nvidia.ko but there is none on the machine!
[10:30] <crimsun> if rsync can't establish a connection, it will bail shorttly.
[10:30] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: there it goes
[10:30] <macogw> mnk: was the driver there before the update?  was it there by default or was it a third party one that you installed?
[10:30] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: where is it downloading to?
[10:31] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: the current directory
[10:31] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> homefolder
[10:31] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> its going rather quck
[10:31] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> quick
[10:31] <mnk> macogw: i installed it on edgy using automatix. then, when i upgraded to feisty it worked, then i updated and it stopped working, then i updated and it worked again; and then i updated and it hasn't worked since - even after a few updates
[10:32] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: now if this fails to work....?
[10:32] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: then we can git-bisect.
[10:32] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> whats that?
[10:33] <crimsun> I've only committed a handful of changes to patch_analog.c anyhow, so it may be fairly straightforward to pinpoint the culprit commits.
[10:33] <macogw> mnk: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ | grep linux-restricted-modules
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.12_i386.deb
[10:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: you're on the dev team eh?
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.13_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.14_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_<IP_ADDRESS>.10_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_<IP_ADDRESS>.12_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.12_all.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.13_all.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.14_all.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_all.deblinux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.12_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.13_i386.deb
[10:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the heck man?
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-13-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.14_i386.deb
[10:33] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> stop it
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_i386.deb
[10:33] <macogw> ok uh maybe i shouldve mentioned the pastbin
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_<IP_ADDRESS>.10_i386.deb
[10:33] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-386_<IP_ADDRESS>.12_i386.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.12_all.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.13_all.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-13.14_all.deb
[10:34] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_all.deb
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> someone please...
[10:34] <mnk> oops sorry guys
[10:34] <macogw> is that it?
[10:34] <mnk> :$
[10:34] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: yes, I take care of alsa.
[10:34] <mnk> yes
[10:34] <macogw> ok good
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: ohh awesome
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> no wonder you're so in-depth
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> im 20% done with the DL
[10:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i cant see it in my homefolder yet tho.. probably a hidden file for now eh
[10:35] <mnk> macogw: my kernel is 2.6.20-14-386
[10:35] <macogw> mnk: ok well that means l-r-m is there (see how each of them has a 2.6.20-14 entry?)
[10:36] <mnk> macogw: yeah i can see linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-14-386_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_i386.deb and linux-restricted-modules-386_<IP_ADDRESS>.12_i386.deb
[10:37] <mnk> macogw: but there is no common right?
[10:38] <macogw> common is two lines above t3hwiz0rd-ibook getting all "what the heck?"
[10:38] <mnk> but that's not <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:39] <foxiness> hey, after i cp from my archive /var/crash ,coz i need to do some work on upload crash report but apport put my system on for loop,none stop ?how colud i stop that?
[10:39] <macogw> mnk: there's also anther common at the very end
[10:39] <mnk> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_all.deb
[10:39] <mnk>  that's not <IP_ADDRESS> either
[10:39] <macogw> hm then in that case maybe that is your problem..
[10:39] <mnk> macogw: so how do i install it?
[10:40] <macogw> are you in tty or graphical right now?
[10:40] <crimsun> linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-14.15_all.deb is the correct & current package.
[10:40] <crimsun>  *** <IP_ADDRESS>-14.15 0
[10:40] <crimsun>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/restricted Packages
[10:40] <crimsun>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:40] <macogw> crimsun: thanks
[10:41] <mnk> even though there is a 4 before the 14?
[10:41] <macogw> mnk: idk what to tell ya.  maybe you can find a third party driver and install it with envy or something
[10:41] <macogw> but its 5 am so i'm going to sleep
[10:41] <macogw> good night
[10:41] <mnk> lol
[10:41] <mnk> thanks anyway
[10:41] <crimsun> mnk: that's the series, not the actual epoch.
[10:42] <macogw> sorry, i dont have much expreience with nvidia
[10:42] <mnk> crimsun: do u have any idea what could be wrong? it keeps saying nvidia.ko not found
[10:42] <macogw> the only nvidia computer i tried to install on refused the installation
[10:42] <mnk> and when i do a locate, it sure isn't there
[10:42] <arejay> anyone able to get public_html working with apache2 in feisty?
[10:43] <arejay> i cannot enable the userdir module - not included?
[10:43] <arejay> root@rj-laptop:/etc/apache2# a2enmod user_dir
[10:43] <arejay> This module does not exist!
[10:43] <crimsun> mnk: locate depends on a daily updated database that runs at 6 AM
[10:43] <crimsun> (well, not precisely 6 AM, but close enough)
[10:43] <mnk> crimsun: i just did an updatedb
[10:44] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: is it normal for the speeds on this to bounce from like 900 to 2 kbps
[10:44] <mnk> also - when i click on system->admin->restricted drivers - the nvidia is not there
[10:44] <crimsun> mnk: which graphics card?
[10:44] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: yes
[10:44] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: kk
[10:44] <mnk> nvidia geforce
[10:44] <mnk> it was working on edgy
[10:44] <crimsun> mnk: /which/ geforce?
[10:44] <crimsun> the actual geforce model is /very/ important
[10:44] <mnk> crimsun:  i installed it on edgy using automatix. then, when i upgraded to feisty it worked, then i updated and it stopped working, then i updated and it worked again; and then i updated and it hasn't worked since - even after a few updates
[10:45] <mnk> crimsun: erm leme check
[10:45] <crimsun> mnk: you do realize that that description is fairly useless simply due to your not providing details about /when/ and /how/ you updated, no?
[10:45] <mnk> crimsun: GeForce FX 5200
[10:46] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: it will appear to speed up ridiculously over the common bits
[10:46] <crimsun> that's simply part of the rsync protocol
[10:46] <mnk> crimsun: is there anyway i can reinstall linux-r-m?
[10:47] <crimsun> mnk: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[10:48] <mnk> ok leme check that crimsun - thanks
[10:48] <mnk> brb
[10:51] <mnk> crimsun: aah that did the trick - it works now :)
[10:51] <mnk> crimsun: thanks
[10:51] <crimsun> np.
[10:52] <mnk> crimsun: one more thing though - i am using svn's beryl. i was using it in edgy before and it was fine. it still works fine here too but the only thing is that in the top left menu - a few options have disappeared since edgy - such as: "always opn top" and "stay on all workspaces". any idea why they have disappeared?
[10:52] <mnk> crimsun: i apreciate ur help btw
[10:52] <crimsun> I don't use Beryl, so I don't know. Sorry.
[10:52] <mnk> ok np
[10:52] <mnk> thanks anyway
[10:56] <savvas> how can i install opera in feisty? i get segmentation faults when i run the static/shared versions from opera website :\
[10:57] <crimsun> they probably just need to recompile
[10:58] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: all dl'd
[10:58] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> burning to cd
[10:58] <crimsun> ok
[10:58] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if this one works
[10:59] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> reinstall?
[10:59] <crimsun> then install from it.
[10:59] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> aight
[11:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> uhh problem
[11:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the iso is too big for the cd 0.o
[11:00] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> iso is 711.2, cd's 700
[11:00] <crimsun> oh, right, it's oversized
[11:00] <Jonah> hey guys i'm struggling really hard to find a project or official page about vino gnome remote desktop, can anyone point me in the right direction?
[11:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> thats not good
[11:01] <crimsun> hmm, you'll have to wait til that's fixed, then, which should be early next week
[11:01] <crimsun> if you absolutely can't wait, just install from Beta
[11:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> is there any major difference beside the kernel version?
[11:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and if thats it, when i run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, is it gonna revert back to this exact issue?>
[11:02] <crimsun> not really, but there are quite a few updates.
[11:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: hmmm
[11:02] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> could i install off beta and then apply these updates somehow with apt?
[11:02] <crimsun> it could. We're dealing with a kernel issue for sound that is unaffected by any update other than kernel ones.
[11:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> how long is it gonna be before they resize the iso for this?
[11:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> or could i burn it to a data DVD?
[11:03] <crimsun> you could try a dvd if you really wanted to
[11:03] <crimsun> I'd just wait
[11:03] <crimsun> it's the weekend, and generally people don't work on the weekend
[11:03] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> right
[11:04] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> thats why i was thinking about installing from beta and then seeing if you know a way to get the daily build updates onto it
[11:04] <crimsun> of course you can just update && upgrade
[11:04] <crimsun> /not/ upgrade && dist-upgrade
[11:05] <crimsun> however, I vaguely remember some printing-related updates that required dist-upgrade
[11:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> hmmm
[11:05] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i was also thinknig about going back to edgy until the final is released
[11:05] <Ramunas> hello
[11:06] <crimsun> do whatever you wish; just keep in mind that I can't help you resolve the apparent issue in 2.6.20-14,22 if you're not actually using it.
[11:06] <Ramunas> is 2.6.20-14-386 broken?
[11:06] <Jonah> hello anyone there? is there no project page or official page for vino?
[11:06] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> Ramunas: do you have no sound?
[11:06] <Ramunas> X doesn't start with it
[11:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: we know the official beta CD works
[11:07] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> do you guys know which kernel is official with release?
[11:08] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: whatever is in the pool when the livefs is created.
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i am gonna install from beta 7.04 cd
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: then i'll update
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> and we'll see if i hit the issue
[11:08] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> so that i have a fall-back kernel to work off of
[11:09] <zdzichuBG> is there an easy way to get edgy's kernel source (or only ubuntu patches)? I'm on feisty
[11:10] <crimsun> zdzichuBG: all source is kept in the archive.
[11:10] <savvas> how can i install opera in feisty? i get segmentation faults when i run the static/shared versions from opera website
[11:10] <crimsun> we have no broken-out patches for the kernel; we use git. See hera.kernel.org/git/ , specifically the ubuntu-edgy.git tree.
[11:11] <zdzichuBG> crimsun: thank you
[11:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: once this is installed and i run dist-upgrade is it going to straight install -14?
[11:17] <crimsun> only if you use dist-upgrade
[11:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> but if i do simply upgrade it'll upgrade all the programs but not the kernel?
[11:18] <crimsun> any packages that require new ones or remove old ones won't be
[11:18] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> does java ship with 7.x?
[11:19] <concept10> how do I prevent totem from opening real media links?
[11:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: the repos on the beta will be the ones used in the final right?
[11:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> maybe i'll just hold out on upgrading *anything* until final is released lol
[11:23] <savvas> when will the final version be released
[11:23] <savvas> ?
[11:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> sometime in this month
[11:28] <Tm_T> ok, this is fun
[11:28] <Tm_T> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:32] <savvas> Tm_T: probably the update manager
[11:33] <valehru> savvas, I think the 19th...
[11:33] <Tm_T> savvas: hum? I shouldn't be using any of those
[11:33] <savvas> ok thanks
[11:34] <Tm_T> anyway, problem is gone
[11:34] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: tihs is weird... its telling me my password is wrong even though its not 0.o
[11:35] <savvas> Tm_T: maybe the update manager was checking for updates in the background
[11:35] <Tm_T> savvas: shouldn't
[11:36] <Tm_T> not running whatsoever
[11:36] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> is there any way to log into root on ubuntu at all?
[11:36] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> cos i can't log into my user at all...
[11:36] <savvas> Tm_T: i said *was*, whatever it was :)
[11:36] <Tm_T> savvas: hmm, this update-manager is some gnome app?
[11:36] <savvas> while you're installing or updating, apt will be locked
[11:37] <Tm_T> sure it is
[11:37] <savvas> Tm_T: run update-manager in terminal
[11:37] <valehru> umm...wtf....I tried to clean up the stuff I downloaded.  I did sudo apt-get autoclean.  It seems that it wants to delete everything on my system.  what the fuck?  Is there anyway I can reverse it?  I havent restarted yet.
[11:37] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> has anyone had an issue with ubuntu not letting them log back in?
[11:37] <Tm_T> savvas: yuck!
[11:38] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i think its cos my homefolder isn't chowned properly.
[11:38] <Tm_T> savvas: ok, what about it? never seen that before
[11:38] <savvas> valehru: try first: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:39] <jarle> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: What kind of error do you get?
[11:39] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: wrong password, but theres no way
[11:39] <savvas> Tm_T: read here: apt-cache show update-manager
[11:40] <Tm_T> savvas: err, I'm not getting what's the point
[11:40] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: im gonna try to chroot the partition and change the password and permissions
[11:41] <savvas> Tm_T: it checks sometime daily for updates if i'm not mistaken
[11:41] <savvas> Tm_T: the point of an update manager is to keep you updated ;)
[11:41] <Tm_T> savvas: yup, but it's not automatically run in my systiem
[11:41] <Tm_T> savvas: and I keep myself updated with apt-get thank you ;)
[11:41] <savvas> Tm_T: well ok, i just thought you use it
[11:42] <savvas> hey i'm suggesting stuff here, i don't know what you do every day there :p
[11:42] <Stormx2> hey
[11:42] <Stormx2> went to bed last night with ubuntu left on
[11:42] <Stormx2> wouldn't display anything just now
[11:42] <Stormx2> sceeen was blank
[11:43] <Stormx2> keyboard/mouse wouldn't get rid of it
[11:43] <Tm_T> savvas: mostly test and help with KDE and Kubuntu, sorta developer I guess ;)
[11:43] <Stormx2> and the Num Lock and Caps Lock LEDs were flashing on and off
[11:43] <Stormx2> what does that mean?
[11:44] <crimsun> it means your kernel panicked
[11:44] <Stormx2> oh really?
[11:44] <Stormx2> damn
[11:44] <crimsun> do you use fglrx or nvidia (or nvidia_legacy)?
[11:44] <savvas> Tm_T: ah sorry, i thought you use gnome since you're on #ubuntu+1, not #kubuntu+1 :p
[11:44] <Stormx2> I do
[11:44] <Stormx2> Shall I disable it?
[11:44] <crimsun> that's the first place I'd look.
[11:44] <Tm_T> savvas: there's no #kubuntu+1 afaik
[11:44] <Stormx2> I have no need to use it any more.
[11:44] <savvas> madness! :)
[11:45] <Tm_T> oh well, crawling thru init scripts if there's something weird stuff ->
[11:46] <Stormx2> what makes the kernel panic? what is a kernel panic?
[11:47] <savvas> Tm_T: check /etc/cron.* too
[11:47] <Tm_T> savvas: well there is but no cronjobs timed to around this time
[11:49] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the system isn't changing permissions for my old homefolder 0.o
[11:50] <savvas> Stormx2: system -> preferences -> power management -> put display to sleep: never and put computer to sleep: never
[11:51] <Stormx2> savvas: Wasn't it a kernel panic? o.o
[11:51] <savvas> Stormx2: google explains a kernel panic pretty well: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid39_gci1235371,00.html
[11:51] <savvas> no idea, if you saw weird text on the screen, then probably yes
[11:52] <Stormx2> I didn't see anything on screen
[11:55] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: hmmmmmmmm omg
[11:55] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: it may of been a bad user config that was jacking up sound from the getgo 0.o
[11:55] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: are you running 2.6.20-14 ?
[11:55] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> no
[11:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i logged in as my user in 12 and..... behold
[11:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> no sound
[11:56] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i am reinstalling cos i messed something up and going from 100% scratch, even dumping my whole /home partition. as i said the entire config is only..... 2 days old
[11:59] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: its very possible that due to the things i did before going form kubuntu to ubuntu, i could of damaged something
[11:59] <savvas> Stormx2: then i guess it went to sleep, the steps i mentioned before should disable it from going to sleep
[12:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: if that was the case i'll apologize deeply... and buy you a teddy
[12:01] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> if that wasn't the case... we'll pick up with 14 and keep workin'
[12:04] <Stormx2> savvas: I figured it went to sleep
[12:04] <Stormx2> savvas: This issue is that it wouldn't wake up, and crimsun said the keyboard LEDs flashing meant a kernel panic
[12:07] <crimsun> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: ok. Well, I'm off.
[12:10] <plus> cups printing stoped after upgrading to Feisty, is that a known issue? can anyone point me to a fix?
[12:12] <plus> print jobs disapear from the print manager without error
[12:14] <plus> cups access log - prints http request every minute
[12:16] <anti_pop> why is it required to let the memtest run several hours and not only 1 cycle ?
[12:17] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: okay, i don't plan to upgrade the kernel until you're around so
[12:22] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> anyone know why feisty wont enable the nvidia driver?
[12:23] <anti_pop> they will
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i hit enable in the restricted-manager
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> didnt' enable
[12:23] <anti_pop> card ?
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> so i tried to apt-get, they wouldn't apt-get
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> 7600gs
[12:23] <anti_pop> hmm that should work
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> i know, they worked on edgy
[12:23] <anti_pop> did you try: sudo apt-get install ncidia-glx
[12:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> does the module require a reboot?
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> yup
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> not on feisty repo's anymore
[12:24] <anti_pop> and sudo blabla enable thing ?
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> what sudo?
[12:24] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> enable what?
[12:24] <anti_pop> second..
[12:24] <anti_pop> ill tell you in a minute
[12:25] <anti_pop> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx and then sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[12:25] <anti_pop> then you need to restart X or a complete reboot, not sure
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> you seem to be missing it
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> there is no nvidia-glx on feisty repos
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> or if it is im not able to connect to the said repo
[12:26] <anti_pop> it is, just checked it
[12:26] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> there we go
[12:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the dumb thing was timing out
[12:27] <anti_pop> :)
[12:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> woha theres no classic pointer in gnome now eh?
[12:27] <anti_pop> gotta go, good luck
[12:27] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> the simple black with white outline
[12:33] <jarle> t3hwiz0rd-ibook: There has been a lot of people reporting problems getting nvidia drivers to work on feisty (including myself)
[12:43] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> jarle: they're working...... but laggy suddenly.
[12:43] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> when i minimize i get mouse skip
[12:58] <Kaplan_> Hi all
[12:58] <Kaplan_> I'm having some missing fonts on my xorg conf since i upgraded to feisty
[12:59] <Kaplan_> how do i get rid of the warning
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi" does not exist.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType".
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	Entry deleted from font path.
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	(Run 'mkfontdir' on "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType").
[12:59] <Kaplan_> (**) FontPath set to:
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/,
[12:59] <Kaplan_> 	/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/
[01:01] <Kaplan_> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list!
[01:01] <Kaplan_> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF, removing from list!
[01:01] <Kaplan_> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list!
[01:01] <Kaplan_> FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[01:01] <Kaplan_> this are the errors
[01:02] <poningru> woah
[01:09] <rambo3> WW is not an error
[01:09] <rambo3> and dont paste here
[01:12] <Kaplan_> what is WW then?
[01:13] <rambo3> www -w
[01:13] <rambo3> Warning
[01:14] <rambo3> Kaplan_, use synaptic if you need those fonts and install them or apt
[01:23] <t3hwiz0rd-ibook> crimsun: i got some updates for you when you wake up
[01:29] <Dame> Rhythmbox does not load all my music. It stops adding new songs when are around 100 songs added. I cant figure out whats the problem, every other player loads everything.
[01:51] <wizard> !mp3
[01:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:00] <wizard> crimsun: iunno if you'll check this between now and when you wake up in the AM
[02:01] <wizard> crimsun: just to be specific though... the audio problem *is* specific to -14... -12, -13 both worked fine, i am currently on -13 with -14 installed for your debugging usage. i am willing to boot to it and try to help you track the cause for a bug fix for feisty.
[02:04] <ShackJack> Hi Feisty Fans! This is weird - I use feisty on GNOME - when I did a aptitude dist-upgrade today, it's wanting to install a lot of KDE packages, like kicker, kdebase, kate, konqueror, kdm - lots of stuff beginning with K.  I have a couple K-apps running (Amarok, KTorrent)... Anyone else experience this or know why it might be happening?
[02:06] <IdleOne> ShackJack, same thing going on here. Im assuming it's just part of the " beta " process and will all be fixed with final release
[02:06] <elkbuntu> does a bug exist on launchpad for this?
[02:06] <ShackJack> ShackJack - I haven't checked myself...
[02:06] <ShackJack> Erm-- elkbuntu - haven't checked myself....
[02:07] <ShackJack> Talking to myself again :)
[02:07] <wizard> man I love how quick ubuntu runs on a core-duo
[02:07] <wizard> it blows windows straight out of hte water
[02:07] <ShackJack> Just happened for me today and I always do a dist-upgrade (and have been running a couple KDE apps all along)
[02:08] <ShackJack> wizard - mine runs great on the core duo too - noticed my compiz is a lot faster than Beryl
[02:08] <wizard> elkbuntu: hwhats the bug?
[02:08] <IdleOne> weird I just had to choose display manager gdm or kdm
[02:08] <wizard> ShackJack: it seems the linux kernel is just much smoother on the core duo than windows is
[02:08] <wizard> albeit my windows partition flies too
[02:08] <wizard> kernel 2.x flies even faster
[02:09] <wizard> shatrat: i got an asus laptop thats just a little beast of a machine
[02:09] <ShackJack> wizard - do you mean on boot up or in general running around?
[02:09] <wizard> both
[02:09] <wizard> boot-ups down about 10 seconds on both distros
[02:09] <ShackJack> IdleOne - you must've instlled the extra K stuff from a dist-upgrade
[02:09] <wizard> and general movement is 2x faster on both than my standard desktop
[02:10] <wizard> but ubuntu functions much faster than windows (linux always has but now its REALLY noticable)
[02:10] <ShackJack> wizard - 10 seconds - man I gotta check my boot routine - takes like a minute here (which is still pretty goof)
[02:10] <wizard> i really keep my stuff streamlined
[02:10] <ShackJack> wizard - I think I have most extranneous services turned off too...
[02:10] <ShackJack> wizard - streamlined how so?
[02:10] <wizard> ShackJack: i disable just about everything that can be disabled without disabling gui or network-manager lol
[02:11] <wizard> ShackJack: what speed's your core-duo?
[02:11] <wizard> mines relatively new, sitting at 1.83
[02:11] <ShackJack> It's a bottom-end T2050 1.66  - 533 FSB
[02:11] <wizard> aahhh
[02:11] <wizard> theres our biggest diff
[02:11] <wizard> i've got a t2400
[02:11] <ShackJack> It's a core duo "1" - not "2"
[02:12] <wizard> this is a core duo as well
[02:12] <wizard> the only diff between the two is the core 2 duo is 64 bit.
[02:12] <wizard> not a major difference at all
[02:12] <ShackJack> wizard - course , you'd hate me if I told you what I paid for mine :)
[02:12] <wizard> 0.o
[02:12] <wizard> well
[02:12] <wizard> judging by age
[02:12] <wizard> 1700-2100?
[02:12] <Atrox> Updates trying to install KDE today?
[02:12] <IdleOne> Atrox, seems so
[02:12] <ShackJack> wizard - for my notebook is what you're guessing?
[02:13] <Atrox> Little late for April fool's joke :)
[02:13] <wizard> ShackJack: yup
[02:13] <Atrox> IdleOne, thanks
[02:13] <wizard> ShackJack: am i close?
[02:13] <ShackJack> Nope - WAAAY over - I should tell you it's a DELL and the only reason I got it was for the special deal I conned...
[02:13] <ShackJack> Well, not conned, just called 'em on some BS and they were compliant
[02:13] <wizard> okay
[02:13] <timonator> hey everyone. tried to use the nvidia driver, now X won't start and complains about a missing libwfb. what packet is it in?
[02:14] <wizard> i went way over?
[02:14] <wizard> or the end cost was way over what i said?
[02:14] <ShackJack> DELL E1505 T2050 1.66 Dual Core 533 FSB 1GB 120GB Drive - Wireless b/g blue tooth - DVD+R  1680x1050 true life screen - $540.00 :)
[02:14] <ShackJack> No lie. :)
[02:15] <arejay> link !
[02:15] <ShackJack> But it "should've been" around 1,300-1400
[02:15] <wizard> ShackJack: your resolution hits higher than mine
[02:15] <wizard> but everything else i pretty much rape you on 0.o
[02:15] <ShackJack>  wizard - yeah, it's friggin sharp - they threw it in for free....
[02:16] <wizard> i work for a company thats asus-preffered
[02:16] <wizard> so i got the laptop at factory cost
[02:16] <wizard> 989.00
[02:16] <wizard> we retail it about 1700
[02:16] <ShackJack>  wizard - yeah I'm sure you have more memory - though I doubt you're HD is much bigger - and you have newest processors - plus I got mine about 7 months ago - an eternity in ComputerWord :)
[02:16] <savvas> um does your clock in gnome-panel jump ahead 10-20 minutes?
[02:16] <ShackJack>  wizard - that's almost as awesome a deal as mine :)
[02:16] <wizard> ShackJack: well let me say this
[02:17] <ShackJack>  wizard - no way I'm spending a chuck o change on a notebook
[02:17] <savvas> no matter which ntp i choose, after a day or so it jumps 10-20 minutes
[02:17] <wizard> the asus' biggest selling point to me
[02:17] <wizard> was that it could play video games - well
[02:17] <wizard> it was reviewed very high for it
[02:17] <wizard> the Go 7600GS can still push lots of power.
[02:17] <ShackJack> wizard - gotcha - yeah I've got an ATI X1400 in mine - it's only O.K. and of course Linux drivers suck for it...
[02:17] <wizard> a rather good card for mobile.
[02:17] <wizard> yeah,
[02:18] <wizard> this i can play HL2 CSS and Day of Defeat Source, and halo PC, all full res, full graphics
[02:18] <wizard> and rack in over 100fps
[02:18] <ShackJack> Can run Call of Duty 2 on medium settings :)
[02:18] <wizard> asus also scored huge on the design
[02:18] <wizard> its the first "quiet" laptop i've ever heard
[02:18] <ShackJack> I don't play much games on the laptop - that's what the desktop's for - though it could use an update soon...
[02:18] <wizard> never hear the cpu fan ever kick on, it never gets hot, and the only fan i ever hear is the graphics card fan
[02:19] <wizard> which is near-silent, but it sure makes some hot air fly out that vent... but the surface of the laptop never heats up
[02:19] <wizard> and it stays cool enough to relaxingly be on your lap and play a game
[02:19] <ShackJack> Yeah they are nice - only reason I got a (SM)ell was for this unexpected discount....
[02:19] <wizard> ahh lol
[02:19] <wizard> yeah i was looking at dells
[02:19] <wizard> i almost got the d820
[02:19] <wizard> till i realized it had a quadro
[02:19] <ShackJack> Like I said - not spending $2000 for a desktop - though the build seems pretty nice and I haven't had any problems yet...
[02:20] <ShackJack> wizard - and the screen is pissa!
[02:20] <ShackJack> Well, we should prolly get back to Feisty talk :)
[02:20] <wizard> ShackJack: i don't think anyone is going to stickler this late
[02:20] <wizard> its relatively quiet.
[02:20] <wizard> and i've been feisty talking for 9 hours straight about alasa issues on -14... i need a non-feisty break
[02:20] <ShackJack> You mean this early, don't you! 8:20 AM here!
[02:21] <wizard> 5:21 am
[02:21] <ShackJack> JESUS H - what're you doing up that early?
[02:21] <wizard> man rhythmbox takes forever to update a music collection
[02:22] <arejay> hehe, eastcoast 8:30 here
[02:22] <wizard> i've been frustratingly raping my ubuntu install
[02:22] <arejay> er 8:20
[02:22] <wizard> i lost sound on -14
[02:22] <wizard> still have no sound on -14
[02:22] <ShackJack> arejay - where are U at on the east coast?
[02:22] <wizard> but now i have -13 too
[02:22] <arejay> ShackJack, SouthCarolina
[02:22] <arejay> You :)
[02:22] <ShackJack> arejay - cool - Cape Cod here...
[02:22] <wizard> 0,o commericals are stupid now-a-days
[02:22] <ShackJack> Friggin 34 degrees out - :(
[02:22] <wizard> no wonder i am so dumb
[02:23] <arejay> ah, cool :) yeah its 45degrees here
[02:23] <wizard> maybe i should just go myspace for a bit
[02:23] <wizard> keep myself out of trouble
[02:23] <arejay> digg.com
[02:23] <arejay> :)
[02:23] <ShackJack> arejay - no shit - that's suprising - you're practically in Florida!
[02:23] <wizard> digg doesn't let me hit on unsuspecting minors ;-) lmao jk
[02:24] <timonator> maybe i'll have more luck not being ignored this time:
[02:24] <timonator> when starting the X server it crashes and complains about missing libwfb. where can i get it?
[02:24] <arejay> ShackJack, yeah, im in hilton-head island, near savannah, ga torwards the bottom of SC
[02:24] <JPedro> Not sure if this is the right channel, but I have an issue with imap email on feisty, neither thunderbird or evolution seems to try and connect to my imap server. I use ngrep to get a quick overview of the data traffic and both applications do a dns resolve for the domain and get the answer from the server, but then it does not try to connect. Is this a known issue or me just being braindead? This is a new install of feisty
[02:24] <timonator> apt-cache search wfb returns nothing at all
[02:24] <ShackJack> P.S. All those KDE apps being included in my dist-upgrade... I went and did the upgrade through the graphical update manager - and when I did a dist-upgrade - those extra KDE packages were no longer being included...
[02:24] <wizard> when ubuntu "blanks" a screen
[02:24] <wizard> is it just turning it black or actually turning it off?
[02:25] <ShackJack> Whew - don't forget about aptitude autoclean - just got back 225MB of space :)
[02:26] <ShackJack> wizard - usually just turnig black - unless you have your power settings set otherwise...
[02:26] <wizard> its set to blank the screen on lid close
[02:26] <wizard> which i'd hope turns it off
[02:26] <wizard> backlight goes off and it looks like it goes a lighter, gray-black look of an off lcd
[02:28] <wizard> ShackJack: i love linux so much as a primary os that i was sitting on windows going absolutely nuts
[02:28] <wizard> its just the general feal of linux i don't even care if im doing the same stuff.. so i was going buts without soud
[02:28] <ShackJack> timonator - I've never seen the libwfb package - I have libdirectfb installed in mine which is a frame buffer graphics...
[02:29] <ShackJack> wizard - Is still use Windows @ works because I can work faster in it (just with software, I use, etc...) but at home it's mostly all Linux...
[02:29] <timonator> hm
[02:29] <wizard> ShackJack: video games... thats all it is to me
[02:29] <wizard> video games
[02:30] <ShackJack> HAAHAA yeah Video games and Windows Media Player 11 for syncing my MP3...
[02:30] <wizard> ShackJack: do you turn your laptop off?
[02:30] <wizard> or are you a leaver-oner?