[14:32] <stgraber> heya, just changed laptop last week and upgraded to quantal. Now trying to have the shiny new hd4000 to drive 3 monitors at once and failing quite miserably
[14:32] <stgraber> getting any two displays to work is fine, getting the third to work at the same time, not so much
[14:34] <stgraber> looking around, I found<EMAIL_ADDRESS>which may be related
[14:34] <stgraber> so far I'm trying with two 1920x1080 external monitor (one over HDMI, other over VGA) + laptop's 1366x768
[14:34] <stgraber> will receive an adapter this week to get both external monitors on DVI (mini-DP => two separate single-link DVI)
[14:35] <tjaalton> stgraber: so it only has the intel, no hybrid?
[14:35] <stgraber> right, it's a new ivy bridge laptop with an hd4000
[14:35] <stgraber> the hd4000 has 3 CRTC
[14:36] <tjaalton> yup
[14:36] <stgraber> so is supposed to be able to drive 3 screens, as long as two of them share the same clock (should be the case here, with two 1920x1080 screens)
[14:37] <tjaalton> those patches will hit 3.7 at the earliest
[14:39] <stgraber> I may try to rebuild a kernel with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>applied as it seems to match my current setup (one of the two external being on VGA, likely getting CRTC2)
[14:41] <stgraber> hopefully everything will just work once I move to DVI for both screens. TBH runing a full-hd screen over VGA is usually quite bad, so I can't think of anyone who'd stick with that setup ;)
[14:42] <tjaalton> only the first patch is in the drm queue
[14:45] <dupondje> Somebody around that could help me to solve HDMI output not working with nouveau?
[14:48] <tjaalton> dupondje: better luck with #nouveau i guess
[14:49] <bjsnider> dupondje, what card is that?
[14:51] <dupondje> Nvidia GeForce GT 540M
[14:51] <dupondje> I can get HDMI output 'working' when I manually add the device in xorg.conf
[14:51] <dupondje> the image is a bit disorted
[14:52] <dupondje> but xrandr for example shows HDMI1 disconnected
[14:52] <bjsnider> if dvi works you can use an adapter
[14:52] <bjsnider> won't carry sound though
[14:53] <dupondje> have no DVI output :)
[14:53] <dupondje> HDMI & displayport
[14:53] <bjsnider> neat
[14:54] <bjsnider> obviously you could use the blob
[14:54] <bjsnider> you don't have to use nouveau
[14:55] <dupondje> the blob can't even read the resolution of my laptop screen ... :)
[14:56] <bjsnider> which blob is this?
[14:56] <dupondje> nvidia-current in quantal
[14:57] <dupondje> must say I haven't looked into fixing the blob really :)
[14:58] <dupondje> nouveau works near to perfect, except the HDMI output which seems partly broken
[14:58] <tjaalton> try 3.6-rc
[14:58] <dupondje> I guess if xrandr can see the HDMI output connected, its working fine
[14:58] <dupondje> tjaalton: tried daily kernel already
[14:58] <tjaalton> ok
[14:58] <dupondje> as I saw alot of new nouveau stuff was in it :)
[14:59] <dupondje> http://dupondje.be/dmesg.txt => is my dmesg with drm.debug=0x4
[14:59] <dupondje> you can see it correctly finds the HDMI screen, even its supported resolutions etc
[15:01] <dupondje> [   49.248709] [drm:output_poll_execute], [CONNECTOR:17:HDMI-A-1] status updated from 1 to 1
[15:01] <dupondje> here I pulled the HDMI cable
[15:01] <dupondje> (last line)
[15:17] <dupondje> any idea's ? :)
[16:03] <tjaalton> dupondje: like I said, #nouveau would be better for such questions ;)
[16:04] <dupondje> its quite dead there :(
[16:04] <dupondje> i'll try harder :p
[16:05] <tjaalton> ah, saw that now
[16:05] <tjaalton> well, yesterday was a holiday in the US
[16:05] <tjaalton> dunno if that matters
[17:28] <seb128> tjaalton, bryce, RAOF: hey guys, xorg still has lit of items on http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-12.10-beta-1.html ... can we get them postponed, moved to beta2, closed, etc as appropriate?
[17:28] <seb128> desktop-q-xorg-general 	15 todo for beta1
[17:29] <seb128> and some still on desktop-p-libxrandr-utils and desktop-q-hybrid-graphics
[17:48] <LLStarks> there's a prime ppa now? inb4 front page of phoronix
[17:48] <tjaalton> hmm, maybe should just delete that task
[17:49] <tjaalton> no separate ppa, we have what is released
[17:49] <tjaalton> seb128: checked most of my tasks
[17:49] <LLStarks> tjaalton, if there was to be a ppa, it would need i915-uxa, nouveau, and xrandr 1.4
[17:49] <tjaalton> one remains, probably need to postpone it
[17:49] <tjaalton> quantal has xrandr 1.4
[17:49] <tjaalton> some ddx patches are missing, might make it in, dunno
[17:50] <bryce> seb128, will so do
[17:50] <seb128> tjaalton, bryce: thanks
[17:50] <LLStarks> will i915 be sna or uxa as default? i know both will be built
[17:50] <tjaalton> hmm, not sure about xrandr anymore :)
[17:51] <tjaalton> LLStarks: likely uxa
[17:51] <LLStarks> airlied's patches are just starting to land for both ddx
[17:52] <tjaalton> right, so we don't have xrandr 1.4 yet
[17:55] <tjaalton> meh, I'll decide tomorrow if the ppa is really needed or not
[17:58] <LLStarks> mesa should be ready if the 8/21 build included the DRI_PRIME cherrypick
[17:58] <LLStarks> err merge
[17:58] <LLStarks> looks like it got in
[17:59] <LLStarks> tjaalton, if you're interested in prime QA for the quantal stack (plus the patched ddx's), i'd be happy to help. very encouraging results so far.
[18:00] <tjaalton> LLStarks: ok, cool
[18:01] <tjaalton> mesa snapshot updated as of yesterday, sitting in git waiting for the beta freeze to end (and libdrm update to enter the archive..)
[18:08] <LLStarks> dri2proto, xserver, randproto, libxrandr are all landed. i'm pretty sure libdrm 2.4.38 landed with the needed changes as well.
[18:09] <LLStarks> xrandr 1.4 is needed to manually set the provider
[18:14] <LLStarks> prime with nouveau is nice though, it already outperforms bumblebee with the nvidia blob: http://pastebin.com/j1CQBsdB
[21:13] <dupondje> #nouveau seems really silent :
[21:57] <bjsnider> dupondje, that is because nouveau has no problems or bugs or missing features at all, so no one complains
[22:01] <dupondje> right :D
[22:01] <dupondje> anyway, opened a bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54512 :)
[22:03] <bjsnider> don't believe that one, huh?
[22:10] <bjsnider> ;


[00:40] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: ping
[00:40] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198858 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Better sizing policy for the sidebar; horizontal resizing no longer makes the sidebar smaller
[00:41] <CIA-42> [muon] jmthomas * 1198859 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationWindow.cpp ViewSwitcher.cpp) Oops. Fix the last commit
[01:18] <maco> Riddell: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4353  <-- really, exciting has a c! i'm not joking!
[02:08] <CIA-42> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1198876 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a new workerState() function to the QApt::Backend that returns the last event that the worker reported. (No running worker will return an InvalidEvent)
[02:52] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Pong
[04:27] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: it will be a couple days on that script.... its hacked together and i keep breaking it trying to do what i need it to
[08:53] <mfraz74> Can anyone help me with trying to compile Audex? I can't use it on 10.10 due to the change with vorbis-tools
[09:47] <Quintasan> omfg
[10:24] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://np237.livejournal.com/29608.html
[10:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ^
[10:24] <Quintasan> try this
[10:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what is there to try?
[10:30] <Quintasan> well, you were mumbling that dpkg in pbuilder is slow :P
[10:31] <apachelogger> dpkg
[10:31] <apachelogger> *is*
[10:31] <apachelogger> slow
[10:31] <apachelogger> because it is moving massive amounts of data
[10:31] <Quintasan> cause it uses fsync lol
[10:31] <apachelogger> not because it fsyncs them
[10:31] <Quintasan> whatever, just try it
[10:34]  * apachelogger is not gonna try 5% improvement techniques when he has one that promises >50%
[10:37] <mfraz74> is anyone here using Audex?
[10:39]  * apachelogger does not even know what that is
[10:39] <mfraz74> apachelogger: A CD ripping program
[10:39] <apachelogger> k3b ftw!
[10:40]  * apachelogger actually uses the audiocd slave but realizes that he probably is one of a few ^^
[10:40] <mfraz74> does k3b fetch the cover art?
[10:40] <mfraz74> I'm trying to fix this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audex/+bug/668682
[10:42] <apachelogger> amarok fetches the cover art
[10:43] <mfraz74> amarok seems to dislike storing the cover art properly
[10:43] <apachelogger> define properly
[10:44] <mfraz74> if i play a track from an album where the cover is missing and then fetch it, if i play a 2nd track the cover is missing again
[10:46] <mfraz74> This is the error I'm getting from building Audex: audex-0.72b1/utils/upload.h:31: fatal error: KIO/MkdirJob: No such file or directory
[11:01]  * apachelogger is wondering what  file called upload had to do with cover download
[11:04] <mfraz74> apachelogger: I've no idea, but it is stopping me from compiling it
[11:10] <apachelogger> oh
[11:10] <apachelogger> well
[11:10] <apachelogger> that is a different story
[11:10] <apachelogger> supposedly it is only compatible with kde 3
[11:10] <apachelogger> !find MkdirJob
[11:10] <apachelogger> see
[11:11] <apachelogger> or maybe it jost never existed
[11:11] <apachelogger> who knows
[11:12] <mfraz74> it says it is a KDE4 app
[11:12] <apachelogger> maybe it is too new
[11:12] <apachelogger> or just buggy
[11:12] <apachelogger> only one way to find out
[11:12] <apachelogger> oh dear, my sister is singing again
[11:12]  * apachelogger closes door and turns up amarok's volume
[11:13] <debfx> mfraz74: that build failure is fixed in the ubuntu/debian audex package
[11:14] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/includes/KIO/
[11:14] <apachelogger> there
[11:14] <apachelogger> no such file
[11:14]  * apachelogger blames all on audex
[11:15] <mfraz74> debfx: how can i add the patch for vorbis-tools and compile it myself?
[11:16] <bulldog98> Riddell: Some users of kubuntu-de.org said the translations for German aren’t complete and I have to agree that
[11:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98: that is a bit vague
[11:16] <apachelogger> also if it is not complete one probably should do something about it?
[11:16] <apachelogger> ...
[11:16] <apachelogger> being native german speaker and all
[11:16] <apachelogger> :P
[11:17] <debfx> apachelogger: MkdirJob has been removed in KDE 4.4
[11:17] <bulldog98> apachelogger: for example the lancelot translations aren’t shiped, but I know it’s 100% translated in German
[11:17] <apachelogger> debfx: isnt that against kdelibs policy or something?
[11:17] <apachelogger> bulldog98: because it is pyth0rn I suppose
[11:18] <apachelogger> interesting
[11:18] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ?
[11:18]  * apachelogger got a en_GB lancelot, but no german one
[11:18] <apachelogger> (translation files that is)
[11:18] <mfraz74> have removed the line that includes mkdirjob and it seems to be compiling now
[11:18] <mfraz74> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/ba09c013d6addc8e?fwc=1
[11:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think phonon-gst has problems with streaming in general, not just last.fm
[11:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/BlaBla/Meego_summit_and_Mobile_sprint_ more prototypes we can roll versions for ^^
[11:25] <apachelogger> !find lancelot.mo
[11:25] <apachelogger> hmmm
[11:26] <apachelogger> ah
[11:26] <apachelogger> there i is
[11:26] <apachelogger> stupid slocate refused to list my local lancelot.mo
[11:28] <apachelogger> hm
[11:28] <apachelogger> it is completely translated according to launchpad, it is installed, and yet lancelot talks english
[11:36] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I blam lancelot
[11:36] <apachelogger> *blame
[11:37] <bulldog98> apachelogger: me, too. I’ve got language-pack-kde-de-base installed
[11:38] <apachelogger> just got the po from kde 4.5.1 and compiled it
[11:38] <apachelogger> now lancelot uses that
[11:38] <apachelogger> 3658  stat64("/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/lancelot.mo", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=8239, ...}) = 0
[11:38] <apachelogger> still it is untranslated
[11:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: hm I’ll look into that
[11:59] <mfraz74> I now have a working Audex in Kubuntu 10.10
[12:18] <ari-tczew> anybody here? o/
[12:21] <apachelogger> no
[12:22]  * apachelogger goes with a knife after glib
[12:23] <ulysses> exterminate!
[12:29] <ari-tczew> could someone highlight me? I'm testing integrate konversation with indicator-applet.
[12:30] <ulysses> hello ari-tczew
[12:31]  * apachelogger finds the internal architecture of phonon-gst a bit silly
[12:32] <ari-tczew> ulysses: It works! thanks
[12:38] <apachelogger> hm
[12:38] <apachelogger> QtGstreamer todo: Investigate the usage of exceptions
[12:38] <apachelogger> that surely is a proper Qt library
[12:38] <apachelogger> ...
[13:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im sick... literally ... had to rush the doctor...
[13:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: that is one heck of a name
[13:08] <yofel> I knew that libeatmydata.so existed, but I didn't know that someone actually packaged that...
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: please announce the KDE 4.5.3 packages for lucid
[13:29] <ari-tczew> could someone sponsor this one?  bug 676303
[13:32] <ulysses> Choqok crashes, backtrace: http://pastebin.com/tgAcscDz
[13:32] <ulysses> probably it needs a rebuild against 4.5 too
[13:36] <markey> guys
[13:37] <markey> let me repeat what I said yesterday, when the timing was bad (meeting)
[13:37] <markey> please do *not* use Phonon-GStreamer in Natty
[13:37] <markey> use Phonon-VLC from Git Master
[13:37] <markey> it's much better
[13:37] <markey> believe you me.
[13:37] <markey> I've hacked on it, seen the code, and used it
[13:37] <markey> it's better in all regards
[13:38] <markey> (and the sound quality is awesome, about twice as good as xine)
[13:38] <markey> Riddell: ^
[13:38] <markey> :)
[13:39] <markey> apachelogger: ^
[13:39] <apachelogger> markey: qtwebkit uses gstreamer
[13:39] <apachelogger> openoffice uses gstreamer
[13:39] <apachelogger> and we have limited CD space
[13:39] <markey> that's all nice and dandy
[13:39] <markey> so, how much space does LibVLC use?
[13:39] <markey> can you calculate that?
[13:40] <markey> (also, why on earth would OOo need Gstreamer Oo)
[13:41] <apachelogger> multimedia in presentations I gather
[13:41] <markey> so incredibly important ;)
[13:41] <apachelogger> also with libvlc we first have to do license and security evaluations
[13:41] <markey> so then, if a user uses that, it could auto-download the gstreamer foo
[13:41] <markey> for all of the 5 users that need it
[13:42] <apachelogger> markey: that implies that someone touched the ooo code base
[13:42] <markey> apachelogger: then please do that. talk to j-b
[13:42] <markey> he's nice
[13:42] <markey> (Jim Beam)
[13:42] <apachelogger> qtwebkit still depends on gstreamer
[13:42] <markey> anyway, I very much doubt that LibVLC uses much space
[13:43] <markey> you don't want users complain about a crashing Amarok, I guess?
[13:43] <markey> that's kinda more important
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ulysses: does it crash on start or is it a randomn crash?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> also do check bugs.kde.org
[13:45] <ulysses> shadeslayer: after refreshing the timeline
[13:45] <shadeslayer> ulysses: thats a bug in choqok i think
[13:45] <shadeslayer> it was reported on bugs.kde.org
[13:47] <shadeslayer> kde bug 257220
[13:47] <shadeslayer> seems like the same backtrace
[14:19] <shadeslayer> ok so we have 4.6 beta 1 tarbals
[14:19] <shadeslayer> *tarballs
[14:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where di you get the sickness?
[14:29] <apachelogger> pregnancy?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> dunno...
[14:29] <shadeslayer> lol...
[14:29] <shadeslayer> nope ... change in weather
[14:30] <Mamarok> Oh crap, this ubuntu-bug stuff makes it impossible to file a bug
[14:30] <apachelogger> well, if it is sickness in the morning...
[14:30] <apachelogger> morning sickness one could say
[14:30] <apachelogger> ...
[14:30] <apachelogger> hm
[14:31] <apachelogger> aspect is messsed up
[14:31] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon-qml-native.ogv
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^^^^^
[14:31] <apachelogger> markey: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[14:31]  * apachelogger is wondering where sheytan is hiding again
[14:32] <markey> brb
[14:37] <apachelogger> better quality http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/phonon-qml-native.avi
[15:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: If Ubuntu still has meego images it might be nice to have the needed bits to run plasma on them.
[16:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Null Project? really? :P
[16:13] <shadeslayer> bug 677845
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer 2>&1 /dev/null
[16:14] <shadeslayer> what
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: the new package is called kde-sc-dev-latest btw
[16:15] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[16:15] <apachelogger> no
[16:15] <apachelogger> that just ensures the packages you have are from the latest sc
[16:16] <apachelogger> Depends: debhelper (>= 7.2.3~), cmake (>= 2.6.3~), automoc (>= 1.0~version-0.9.88), pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.9.1)
[16:16] <apachelogger> Breaks: kdebase-workspace-dev (<< 4:4.5.1), kdelibs5-dev (<< 4:4.5.1), kdepimlibs5-dev (<< 4:4.5.1), libkdcraw-dev (<< 4:4.5.1), libkexiv2-dev (<< 4:4.5.1), libkipi-dev (<< 4:4.5.1), libmarble-dev (<< 4:4.5.1)
[16:38] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:38] <shadeslayer> uh
[16:38] <shadeslayer> omg
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: phonon-gstreamer is broken
[16:38] <shadeslayer> please do not ship it
[16:39] <shadeslayer> amarok cannot play mp3's
[16:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We need to see if it's fixable.
[16:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You should speak to our Phonon maintainer.
[16:39]  * shadeslayer stares at apachelogger
[16:39] <apachelogger> roflor
[16:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: amarok does not play anything with phonon-backend-gstreamer
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just like dvds, we do not support mp3 playback out of the box :P
[16:40] <apachelogger> yeah, well, install plugins
[16:40] <apachelogger> ...
[16:40] <shadeslayer> moar packages? :O
[16:40] <shadeslayer> im trying to keep my install footprint minimal
[16:41] <shadeslayer> see phonon-backend-vlc is awesome
[16:41] <apachelogger> vlc also has plugins -.-
[16:42] <shadeslayer> yes but i just have the PA one
[16:42] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: a true point though, we need to port codec magic from xine to gst
[16:42] <apachelogger> OTOH phonon-gst can handle this stuff internally, since gstreamer emis a signal if it cannot find an appropriate codec
[16:42] <shadeslayer> for gstreamer i have bad, ugly, and good
[16:42] <apachelogger> so we could hook phonon-gst up with kpk or something
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seen this http://is.gd/htf7B ?
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also im getting a HTC Desire on monday ^_^
[16:46] <apachelogger> there, now I am having morning sickness
[16:54] <shadeslayer> hehe....
[16:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because of the link?
[16:55] <apachelogger> because of android
[16:55] <apachelogger>   if (ip != this->ip) free(ip);
[16:56] <apachelogger> who wants to guess what ip stands for?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> instruction pointer?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> points to next instruction on the stack.......
[16:58] <Sput> not on the stack :>
[16:59] <apachelogger> well
[16:59] <apachelogger> quite honestly I would not even care if shadeslayer managed to put the instructions on the stack and called the pointer ip
[16:59] <apachelogger> but this my friends is an instance pointer :P
[17:00]  * apachelogger cannot crash his amarok
[17:01] <apachelogger> but I get stutters
[17:01] <apachelogger> :D
[17:23] <apachelogger> !find
[17:23] <apachelogger> !find gstreamer-codec-install
[17:23] <apachelogger> omg!
[17:23] <mfraz74> !find gstreamer-nogui
[17:29] <apachelogger> aha!
[17:29] <apachelogger> gstreamer-codec-install is an alternative
[17:29] <apachelogger> provided by for example gnome-codec-install
[17:30] <apachelogger> I gather, if we wrote kde-codec-install we would b ethe kings of the world
[17:30] <apachelogger> or something like that
[17:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've got ice cream working with the older gcc from a logged in pbuilder.  One thing I had to deal with was the ccache binary getting ahead of the icecc binary in my path.
[17:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[17:30] <apachelogger> well
[17:30] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:31] <apachelogger> ccache should go away
[17:31] <apachelogger> why are you using ccache?
[17:31] <ScottK> I didn't do anything explicit to get it.
[17:31] <apachelogger> :O
[17:31] <apachelogger> weird
[17:31] <ScottK> pbuilder attempts to use it by default, I believe.
[17:41] <neversfelde> Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!
[17:41] <neversfelde> grr
[17:42] <neversfelde> gpg is installed, I cannot discover what is wrong
[17:42] <neversfelde> debuild -S -sa is not working anymore :(
[17:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, rdieter: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot96.png
[17:46] <rdieter> apachelogger: *hugs*
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks gnomey ....
[17:46] <apachelogger> that is gnome though :P
[17:46] <shadeslayer> wheres my KDialog?
[17:46] <apachelogger> well, easy enough to replicate
[17:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wanna do it?
[17:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Someone should summon the Ninjas to package 4.5.80, don't you think?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is it trivial?
[17:47] <apachelogger> pretty
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can it wait till after Wednesday? :)
[17:47] <shadeslayer> i can do it then
[17:48] <apachelogger> the app gets called with something like "gstreamer|0.10|My Cool Video Player|Quicktime|decoder-video/quicktime"
[17:48] <shadeslayer> whut?
[17:48] <apachelogger> supposedly the best thing to do is query packagekit for a suiteable package and offer a selection to the user
[17:48] <apachelogger> then just invoke some configurable app to carry out installation
[17:48] <shadeslayer> yeah.. like its done with rekonq and amarok
[17:49] <shadeslayer> show notification > direct to kpk
[17:49] <apachelogger> nah
[17:49] <apachelogger> naaaah
[17:49] <shadeslayer> that is really better imo..
[17:49] <apachelogger> that is bogus and ugly and gross and everything
[17:49] <shadeslayer> you want a KDialog?
[17:49] <apachelogger> yes
[17:49] <apachelogger> well
[17:49] <apachelogger> a window
[17:49] <apachelogger> no need for a dialog
[17:49] <shadeslayer> i rather like the notification
[17:49] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:50]  * apachelogger is gonna tell our notificatoin lover about that
[17:50] <shadeslayer> hehehe :D
[17:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: note that this is much more precise than notifications
[17:50] <apachelogger> at the point the codec installer gets called gstreamer already ran into a codec it cannot play
[17:50] <apachelogger> so at that point it is a blocking issue to the user who wants to play a file
[17:51] <apachelogger> which means you need to utilize intrusive/blocking means of allowing the user to fix it
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this needs to be patched in amarok? or what?
[17:51] <apachelogger> no
[17:51] <apachelogger> it is an application
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ah!
[17:52] <apachelogger> ultimately bundled in with kpackagekit I suppose
[17:52] <apachelogger> so you should talk to dantii
[17:52] <shadeslayer> a standalone app?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ohj
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ohk
[17:52] <apachelogger> because kpk already does half the stuff anyway
[17:52] <shadeslayer> dantti: ^^^
[17:52] <dantti> hi
[17:54] <dantti> apachelogger: shadeslayer not sure I followed, you guys have an app that needs codecs?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> amarok to be precise...
[17:55] <apachelogger> well
[17:55] <shadeslayer> which needs gstreamer codecs to work
[17:55] <apachelogger> any app that uses gstreamer
[17:55] <dantti> PackageKit has a session interface to install those things
[17:55] <apachelogger> dantti: gstreamer can call a helper app to find codecs it does currently not support
[17:56] <dantti> searchProvide(gstreamer... )
[17:56] <dantti> but I don't recall if I finished the code in aptcc
[17:56] <dantti> since what the python backend was doing was wrong
[17:56] <apachelogger> ^^
[17:57] <dantti> apachelogger: token for example calls this interface in gnome
[17:57] <dantti> it's the same interface
[17:57] <dantti> which btw I should write some kde docs pages about that
[17:58] <dantti> apachelogger: btw I've made some improvements to the kde print tool
[17:58] <apachelogger> dantti: is it ready for release yet? :D
[17:58] <dantti> but right now I need to know what to do with ppds.py
[17:59] <dantti> I could of course transalte that into c++/qt code but I really want to make that file a C lib shared by python-cups and our tool
[17:59] <apachelogger> so, lets do that then?
[18:00] <dantti> apachelogger: I sent an email to Tim Waugh, he said that he was thinking on make this file accessible by DBus
[18:00] <apachelogger> by dbus? :O
[18:00] <apachelogger> wah?
[18:01] <dantti> but for Debian or any remote cups that requires auth this will suck
[18:01] <apachelogger> that sounds like going with a rocket after a fly or soemthing
[18:01] <dantti> since py cups does not handle auth
[18:01] <dantti> also if we make this file into a C lib we could patch localhost:631 to use it
[18:02] <dantti> and maybe even Apple helped to maintain it :P
[18:03] <dantti> apachelogger: if you want to help, I will really need your help since there is a bunch of stuff I don't understant in python :P
[18:03] <apachelogger> sure thing
[18:04] <dantti> apachelogger: http://cyberelk.net/tim/2010/10/26/choosing-the-best-printer-driver/
[19:51] <dantti> does someone knows why openoffice crashes after the loading banner is gone?
[19:51] <dantti> it crashes on all my pcs, but a friend with kubuntu 10.10 does not have this problem..
[19:52] <dantti> it seems to be related to the oxygem theme but I'm not sure
[19:53] <yofel> dantti: does it give an error in ~/.xsession-errors? or a segfault message in dmesg?
[19:53] <dantti> yofel: http://pastebin.com/Uy3JT6KR
[19:53] <dantti> this is console output
[19:53] <dantti> I have no ~/.xsession-errors
[19:54] <yofel> I don't know anything about X errors I fear :/
[19:54] <dantti> oh no I have it :P
[19:55] <dantti> http://pastebin.com/xxnwsi8C
[19:55] <dantti> that's why I think it's related to oxygem gtk
[19:55] <sheytan> Riddell ping and pong and all that stuff
[19:56]  * sheytan feels no luck to cach Riddell
[19:59] <sheytan> apachelogger ping
[20:01] <sheytan> come on guys, no one around? :D
[20:01] <sheytan> shadeslayer: you? :D
[20:01] <shadeslayer> wha
[20:01] <sheytan> yeah!
[20:01] <sheytan> shadeslayer can i have a request ? :D
[20:02] <shadeslayer> dantti: do you have raster set?
[20:02] <dantti> shadeslayer: yes
[20:02] <shadeslayer> sheytan: if its trivial :D
[20:02] <sheytan> looks like i can't cache Riddell, what i'm trying for a long time :D
[20:02] <shadeslayer> dantti: thats your problem
[20:02] <dantti> oh no... :(
[20:02] <shadeslayer> dantti: open office + raster = kaboom
[20:02] <sheytan> shadeslayer if you cache Riddell, please show him this http://ryrych.pl/null/kubuntu/index.html
[20:02] <dantti> ok, I'll stick with MS office :P
[20:02] <shadeslayer> lol :P
[20:03] <dantti> raster makes my old ibm pc does not seem so old :P
[20:03] <shadeslayer> sheytan: buttons could be more KDE'ish :)
[20:03] <sheytan> shadeslayer first Riddell need to know that's done :)
[20:03] <dantti> shadeslayer: isn't there a fix for that?
[20:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer but please remember to show him that page :)
[20:04] <sheytan> and thank you :)
[20:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: just leave him a ping and he will get back
[20:04] <shadeslayer> also
[20:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer did many times :D
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  ^^^^
[20:04] <shadeslayer> sheytan: apachelogger was waiting for you
[20:04] <sheytan> pinged him too :D
[20:04] <shadeslayer> dantti: nopw
[20:04] <sheytan> shadeslayer i know
[20:05] <shadeslayer> *nope
[20:05] <sheytan> no time ;/
[20:05] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> dantti: someone is supposed to be working on it, not sure who tho
[20:05] <dantti> shadeslayer: k, thanks... go go koffice :P
[20:05] <sheytan> having a job is cool but it sucks too :D
[20:05] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[20:05] <shadeslayer> to both of you :P
[20:05] <sheytan> anyway, i have to live :D else i couldn't work for kubuntu :D
[20:06] <dantti> sheytan: btw nice page, but it still misses the smartness of guessing the arch of the user..
[20:07] <sheytan> dantti: so many things to think about. But i will, i promisse :)
[20:07] <shadeslayer> hehe ..
[20:07] <sheytan> and btw: fedora sucks :D
[20:07] <dantti> hahaha
[20:07] <sheytan> it's like experimens before the code comes to red hat
[20:07] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:08] <dantti> well right now all I can say is that pycups sucks..
[20:08] <dantti> made by...
[20:08]  * sheytan doesn't know why, but he thinks that apps in python suck
[20:08] <dantti> but not their problem py ^^
[20:10] <dantti> got to go..
[20:11] <sheytan> dantti: i'll ping y ou when i come out with something :)
[20:11] <dantti> sheytan: k :)  it might worth a looking at drivers.nvidia.com maybe it's JS to guess the arch
[20:12] <sheytan> yep, i'll think about it. Maybe i'll come out with something cool :)
[20:15] <dantti> shadeslayer: now that you told me the problem I know a simple fix :P  QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native openoffice.org
[20:15] <shadeslayer> dantti: yeah that can be done as well
[20:15] <shadeslayer> but thats just a hack :P
[20:15] <dantti> hehe well at least it works :P
[20:16] <shadeslayer> dantti: libreoffice ftw
[20:16] <shadeslayer> and afaik it works in raster
[20:16] <dantti> ftw?
[20:16] <shadeslayer> dantti: for win
[20:17] <shadeslayer> *for the win
[20:17] <shadeslayer> and yeah, libreoffice works in raster
[20:17] <dantti> ah right
[20:17] <dantti> I'll try it later.. have to go now :P
[20:17] <dantti> cya
[20:18] <shadeslayer> cya
[20:23]  * yofel wonders why nobody here uses memoserv to catch people
[21:45]  * ScottK started working on preps for 4.6 beta 1.  Doing attica atm.
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> I've got polkit-qt-1 and polkit-kde-1 from svn packaged, but hopefully tarballs will appear
[23:53] <ScottK> attica's uploaded to Ninjas.