[00:19] <JanC> jeeves: looks like the dovecot init script fails somehow, and the pre-removal scripts don't handle that too well...
[00:19] <jeeves> JanC, any ideas on how to "kill it"?
[00:31] <JanC> jeeves, first of all, I think this is worth a bug report (if there isn't one already?)
[00:33] <JanC> and these scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -- the hackish way to solve this is to comment out the lines that cause the error...  ;)
[00:34] <JanC> or remove the -e option
[00:35] <JanC> see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/251
[01:15] <hggdh> kirkland: Walrus seems fine, but memory usage on the CLC is quite high
[01:16] <brianherman> Does anyone know how to do a remote backup using rsync?
[01:16] <brianherman> I have this xenserver with root access and would like to do rsync
[01:16] <brianherman> Ubuntu 9.04
[01:27] <vraa> brianherman http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html
[02:39] <brianherman> vraa thanks
[02:39] <brianherman> rsync is complicated
[02:39] <brianherman> i thought you can do it one line
[02:40] <twb> rsync is simple.  unison is complicated.
[02:40] <brianherman> oh
[02:41] <vraa> rsync you can do in 1 line
[02:41] <vraa> rsync -avz /source /destination
[02:41] <vraa> brianherman rsync is fantastic
[02:42] <brianherman> i know its fantastic
[02:42] <brianherman> i just dont know how to use it
[02:42] <brianherman> thanks for your help
[02:42] <twb> Generally you ought to have trailing slashes.
[02:42] <brianherman> i need to study for finals before i study rsync
[02:42] <twb> rsync tends to screw you over if you expect rsync x y to be the same as rsync x/ y/.
[02:44] <vraa> well yah, there is a note about trailing slashes, make sure you use them lol, i once did rsync /source /directory/ on accident, should've been /source/ /directory/
[02:52]  * handheldCar lurves rsync and has been using it for a year.
[02:53] <handheldCar> including some restores
[03:06] <brianherman> so when you have this rsync setup it works great
[03:06] <brianherman> cool
[03:08] <handheldCar> yep, every week it will zip my new files onto the external hard drive and delete the extraneous ones.
[03:09] <twb> I trust your use of "zip" in that sentence doesn't refer to zip(1).
[03:09] <handheldCar> yes, it does not
[03:10] <twb> Good, carry on
[03:10] <twb> Incidentally, <generic plug for rsnapshot here>
[03:12] <rbdyck> I installed Ubuntu Sever 9.10, and now it does boot fine if I boot from the install CD then select the menu option to boot from first hard drive. But it doesn't boot without the CD. It has a motherboard LSI SCSI adapter, and an Adaptec card for the tape drive. When the CD isn't there, Adaptec BIOS says "No SCSI boot device found" and "SCSI BIOS not installed". I set BIOS to enable the primary SCSI adapter and set logical drive 0
[03:29] <rbdyck> If I enter "root=/dev/sda1" it says "Cound not find kernal image". If I just press Enter is Loads /vmlinuz and does list devices sda and sdb, but ends with "VFS: Cannot open root device "SR0" or unknown-block(11,0)". Why is it forcing to the CD-ROM?
[03:32] <rbdyck> Ok, here is an easier question. When I installed Ubuntu server 9.10, I selected the option to use the entire disk. I created partitions sda1 and it automatically created sda5 as a swap partition. Why does sda2 appear in /dev?
[03:32] <twb> Because you're using the bootloader on the CD
[03:32] <twb> sda2 appears because you're using DOS disk labels, and you need a primary partition reserved to refer to extended partitions.
[03:32] <rbdyck> Ah. It does that when no media is in the CD-ROM drive.
[03:32] <twb> OK, then it's because your bootloader is misconfigured.
[03:38] <rbdyck> Ok, how do I fix that? I have set every setting I can find in BIOS menues. There are several menus for this server: System Setup, primary SCSI, Adaptec SCSI. How do I tell it not to boot from Adaptec? While typing this I entered System Setup and turned secondary SCSI off. Earlier I found primary SCSI was set off so I set it on. None of that made any difference.
[03:41] <twb> You have actual SCSI?  Or SAS?
[03:42] <rbdyck> Actual SCSI
[03:42] <twb> Huh.
[03:44] <rbdyck> old PowerEdge 4300 server, with dual processors, Pentium III @ 500MHz. 50-pin hot-swap SCSI drawers.
[03:44] <twb> So this system has an n-way adaptec scsi card, where your boot disk(s) live.  Does it also have an onboard controller?
[03:50] <rbdyck> Sorry, working on 2 servers, starting to get them confused. This one has a PERC controller card in a PCI slot that is connected to the hard drive back plane, and an motherboard SCSI controller that is connected to the CD-ROM. Yup, old SCSI CD-ROM.
[04:09] <rbdyck> I think the "integtrated device" primary SCSI is the SCSI narrow connected to the CD-ROM, the secondary SCSI is a 68-pin SCSI connector on the back. I don't have any external SCSI devices so can disable that channel. The hard drives use the PowerEdge Raid Controller (PERC) card.
[04:11] <lWizardl> how easy/hard is it to setup a fully valid web server on Ubuntu 9.04 ? using apache for the hhtpd, php, mysql, dns server, mail, etc
[04:11] <rbdyck> Boot sequence in system setup has the options for diskette first, or hard drive only. There isn't CD option, but it does boot from the CD if a disk is present.
[04:13] <rbdyck> I haven't tried. I had tried to install CRUX until I got stuck with a panic trap caused by a spurious ACK. I finally gave up and decided to install Ubuntu because members of the local UNIX users group know it. I was able to download and install Ubuntu server in one day. I simply chose the latest version.
[04:14] <rbdyck> If Ubuntu 9.05 is as easy to install as 9.10, then it should be easy. I don't have any user data on it yet, so can reformat/reinstall if necessary.
[04:16] <persia> There was no 9.05.
[04:16] <persia> But yeah, it ought be trivial with 9.04 :)
[04:16] <rbdyck> Ok, 9.04
[04:17] <Jeeves_Moss> is there a way to batch repair video files with VLC and have VLC savethe repaired files?
[04:17] <lWizardl> well my issue for ubuntu was last time i tried, I was able to access the sites buy using the internal networking addresses, but no one outside the network could view the sites
[04:18] <Jeeves_Moss> lWizardl, are you saying that the hosted apache site is available on the internal IP and not the external?
[04:19] <lWizardl> yes
[04:19] <lWizardl> that was what happened last time I tried to setup a linux server
[04:19] <lWizardl> example 192.168.x.13 would bring the site up fine
[04:19] <Jeeves_Moss> lol.  what is your network setup like?
[04:19] <lWizardl> but going to the domain.tld would fail
[04:19] <lWizardl> modem -> router -> servers
[04:20] <Jeeves_Moss> ok, I'm assumming you're behind a NATed firewall?
[04:20] <lWizardl> yes
[04:20] <Jeeves_Moss> port forwarding setup on the router?  or the server in question is in the DMZ?
[04:20] <lWizardl> Linusys router converted to openwrt
[04:21] <rgreening> listen setting incorrect on server?
[04:21] <Jeeves_Moss> ok, and you set up port forwarding?
[04:21] <lWizardl> yup ports forwarded for the server ports like 80, etc
[04:21] <Jeeves_Moss> ie. wan -> modem -> openWRT -> internal IP:port -> server?
[04:22] <Jeeves_Moss> your DNS is pointing to the right IP?
[04:22] <lWizardl> yeah I even tried to use zoneedit for the dns server
[04:22] <Jeeves_Moss> domain.tdl?
[04:22] <Jeeves_Moss> *domain.tdl
[04:22] <lWizardl> and yes your example would be correct
[04:22] <Jeeves_Moss> what is your domain and IP?
[04:23] <lWizardl> the server isn't set back up so that wouldn't work now if i was to give that
[04:24] <Jeeves_Moss> well, you'll have to have something to test before I can help.
[04:24] <lWizardl> yeah thats why i was asking about how hard is it to properly setup a fully working valid server
[04:24] <Jeeves_Moss> most of the time, it's just something stupid.  if you don't have zoneedit setup for *.domain.tld, then if you only have domain.tld in there, and you try www.domain.tld, it'll fail
[04:26] <Jeeves_Moss> ...
[04:27] <lWizardl> ok so make sure its *.mydomain.blah not jus mydomain.blah
[04:27] <lWizardl> that might have been part of the issue
[04:28] <Jeeves_Moss> yep.  otherwise, it'll only point that DNS reccord for domain.tld to your IP and ignore everything eles
[04:29] <lWizardl> ok
[04:30] <lWizardl> the other issue i had before at one time was if you went to my site's mydomain.blah page it would sometimes bring up the router login page
[04:32] <Jeeves_Moss> sounds like your router has the remote admin page open to the WAN.  might want to get that locked down.
[04:32] <lWizardl> hmm
[04:33] <rbdyck> twb left, and he was the only person answering my questions. Ok my SCSI controller looks like it can't boot, even with a boot device identified. Could someone tell me how to produce a boot CD that automatically boots from the first hard drive?
[04:33] <Jeeves_Moss> otherwise, if there is a bug in the OpenWRT package, and they can hit your WebInterface (you should NEVER had ANYTHING on the router open to the outside world, always port forward into something internal, then backtrack)
[04:33] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, is it an HP DL380?
[04:34] <rbdyck> No, Dell PowerEdge 4300/500
[04:34] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, just as much of a pain in the ass.  it's a bastardized Adaptec controller card
[04:35] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, what's the setup?  is there just the one RAID set?  is there a current OS on it?
[04:36] <rbdyck> Yea, integrated motherboard Adaptec with 2 channels, but the RAID that controls all hard drives is a separate card.
[04:37] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, it's still running through the Adaptec card.  You'll have FUN with that one!  Is there an OS on there that you're trying to save, or a fresh install?
[04:37] <rbdyck> Motherboard Adaptec has SCSI narrow with only one device: the CD-ROM drive. The other motherboard channel is SCSI Ultra2 connected to the back of the server, not used. It has a PERC (PowerEdge Raid Controller) card plugged into a PCI slot. That card is connected to the hard drive backplane.
[04:38] <rbdyck> Fresh install. I reformatted and installed a fresh copy of the latest Ubuntu server: 9.10
[04:38] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, ok, and what are you trying to do with it?
[04:39] <rbdyck> Trying to set up a web server. Expecting heavy attacks on the web sites once everything is up, so want a secure server. Will host multiple web sites. LAMP
[04:39] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, the ONLY way I found to make it work (eventhough the install "looks" to work, it'll NEVER boot to the proper RAID set off of the live CD).
[04:41] <rbdyck> I also want it to be highly reliable, so attempting to make use of all redundant features. I set up the first two drives in a mirror set (RAID 1) for the OS, and all other drives in a RAID 5 set for data.
[04:42] <Jeeves_Moss> how reliable do you need the LAMP data?
[04:42] <rbdyck> Ok, if it will never boot from RAID, then can I burn a boot CD that will immediately boot from the first hard drive? The Ubuntu install CD has a menu option that will boot from the first hard drive.
[04:42] <Jeeves_Moss> how reliable do you need the LAMP data?
[04:43] <rbdyck> I want the web sites to stay up. Expecting competition to attempt to sabotage, would like to prevent that.
[04:44] <Jeeves_Moss> total fail over would be the OS on RAID 1, and the LAMP data on RAID 10.  Do ALL of the RAID through hardware.
[04:44] <twb> Or all the RAID through md.
[04:44] <Jeeves_Moss> then, boot from the Ubuntu MINI-CD. do the install, then build the LAMP server from the installer
[04:44] <rbdyck> I'm not familiar with RAID 10. I thought RAID 6 is new.
[04:45] <Jeeves_Moss> twb, RAID through MD?  LOL, are you NUTZ?  that's a HUGE CPU hit!
[04:45] <rbdyck> Hi twb? Nice to see you again.
[04:45] <twb> I'm a sysadmin, not a ricer.
[04:45] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, RAID 10 is just mirriored stripe sets.  speed and reliability.  sucks a lot of physical disks though
[04:45] <twb> Or a DBA.
[04:46] <Jeeves_Moss> twb, I'm a POOR sysadmin.  I'm expected to make stuff do things it was never designed to do for a non profit
[04:46] <twb> With hardware raid you always need to buy an extra card so you can get the data off it.
[04:46] <scar> md does fine with todays powerful cpu's
[04:46] <twb> Otherwise in three years when the card dies, and you can't buy the same controller anymore, your data is gone forever
[04:46] <Jeeves_Moss> backups
[04:46] <rbdyck> The server has 6 hot-swap drawers. The drives aren't the largest, but plenty for a LAMP server. I configured 2 small drives in a mirror set (RAID 1) for the OS. And the other 6 drives in a RAID 5 configuration for web site data. That will be more than enough for the number of web sites I expect to host.
[04:47] <Jeeves_Moss> oh wait, no one does those anymore
[04:47] <twb> I dunno about running md RAID on a Pentium III, but it's load isn't even noticable with an x86-64 Celeron.
[04:48] <Jeeves_Moss> twb, I've got 2 500Gb SATAs on a 3Ghz P4, and when it's writing, we're maxing out one of the cores
[04:48] <rbdyck> This is an older server: 2 CPUs each Pentium III @ 500 MHz. 512MB of ECC SDRAM. The OS drives are 4.3GB, while the web data drives are 18.7 GB each. All hard drives are 10,000 rpm.
[04:49] <rbdyck> Sorry, 8 drive drawers total.
[04:49] <scar> rbdyck, you use md on that just fine?
[04:49] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, if you want to pay for shipping from Toronto, I'll GIVE you a HP DL380G1 with dual 933 CPUs, and 380Mb of RAM (4 dive caddies as well)
[04:49] <rbdyck> I got the server free, and the drives relatively cheap. Don't have gobs of cash for the newest/latest everything.
[04:50] <rbdyck> What is "md"?
[04:50] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, it's Linux's software RAID
[04:51] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, if you want to pay for shipping from Toronto, I'll GIVE you a HP DL380G1 with dual 933 CPUs, and 380Mb of RAM (4 dive caddies as well)
[04:52] <rbdyck> I got a second server that I thought looked good: Xeon @ 1.8GHz. Turned out to have 1 CPU, 1 power supply, 2 SCSI controllers but neither is capable of RAID. And the power supply is so underpowered that I have to set staggered spin on the hard drives to avoid tripping the circuit breaker. At least it isn't a fuse. This one isn't nearly as robust.
[04:52] <Jeeves_Moss> lol
[04:52] <scar> rbdyck, how do you set staggered spin?
[04:53] <Jeeves_Moss> I did that with a rack of DL380G5s!  half the rack powered up, and it popped a 45amp breaker
[04:53] <rbdyck> It's a jumper setting on the SCSI hard drive.
[04:53] <Jeeves_Moss> scar, or in the modern SCSI BIOSes, there is a setting to only bring up "x" drives @ a time
[04:55] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, so, yes, a mirror for the OS is good enoug with the rest RAID5
[04:58] <Jeeves_Moss> <hears crickets in here>
[05:00] <rbdyck> Ok, so my project for today is to get it to boot without a sysadmin being present to select the menu option. Is there simple software that I could burn to a boot CD that would just boot from the first hard drive? It would have to see the SCSI logical drives.
[05:01] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, make the RAID drives with the raid controller, then boot from the MINI-ISO
[05:02] <rbdyck> "MINI-ISO"?
[05:04] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck,the mini-iso is a small footprint server install.  it has JUST enough to get the server off the ground, then it d-loads/builds everything it needs on the fly.  I find it's the best way to make some of the weird server hardware configs work.
[05:04] <Jeeves_Moss> rbdyck, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:10] <Jeeves_Moss> anyways all, my fiance is calling.  So it looks like it's bed time
[06:46] <kirkland> hggdh: so no OOMs with the new PPA package?
[06:50] <kirkland> hggdh: just read your updates on the bug report ... this is sounding promising ;-)
[06:50] <kirkland> hggdh: i like what i see
[06:51] <twb> That stinky ACPI powerbtn.sh bug still isn't fixed.
[06:51] <kirkland> twb: it'll be sru'd
[06:51] <twb> SRU?
[06:55] <kirkland> twb: it's already in the queue for lucid-updates
[06:56] <kirkland> twb: well, lucid-proposed
[06:56] <kirkland> then lucid-updates
[06:56] <kirkland> twb: if this bug matters to you, have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570450
[06:56] <kirkland> twb: test the package when it lands in lucid-proposed, and add a note to the bug, saying that you tested it and it fixes the issue.
[06:58] <twb> kirkland: I didn't know lucid had even shipped yet :-P
[07:02] <kirkland> twb: ships thursday
[07:02] <smoser> kirkland, what bug is "oom" referring to above ?
[07:02] <twb> kirkland: I filed the original ticket
[07:02] <kirkland> twb: at this point, we've opened up the proposed/updates archive for updates/upgrades
[07:03] <kirkland> smoser: Bug 565101
[07:03] <kirkland> twb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/570450
[07:03] <kirkland> twb: that's the one i'm talking about, sorry; i'm not familiar with yours
[07:04]  * kirkland calls it a night
[07:04] <twb> kirkland: it's the same bug, the tickets obviously aren't linked
[07:04] <kirkland> twb: what's your bug number?
[07:04] <kirkland> twb: we can mark them duplicates
[07:04] <twb> Lemme find it...
[07:04] <twb> 539432
[07:04] <twb> Haha, mine is lower, so I was first.
[07:05]  * twb struts
[07:05] <kirkland> bug 539432
[07:06] <twb> Darn
[07:09] <kirkland> twb: thanks for the pointer; i have now linked all of these bugs together
[07:09] <twb> Thanks.
[07:09] <kirkland> twb: fix should be apt-get dist-upgrade fixable in a few days
[07:10] <twb> kirkland: in lucid-updates?
[07:10] <kirkland> twb: yes;  it will sit in lucid-proposed for a few days until someone (hint, hint) can test that package and confirm in the bug report that it fixes the issue
[07:11] <twb> Urk, stupid live-helper
[07:11] <twb> Oh, apparently security.ubuntu.com is actually valid after all
[07:12] <twb> Anyways, -updates is turned on, so I'll get it before my product ships, which is what I really care about
[08:33] <PC_Nerd101> Hi, is lucid's RC stable enough for a production environment if upgraded to the full release after its available on friday?  I need it installed and configured by friday and I would prefer the extra day if it is stable.
[08:35] <Jeeves_> PC_Nerd101: It is for me
[08:35] <Jeeves_> We've got some machines running Lucid in production too
[08:38] <PC_Nerd101> Ahh wonderful, thankyou :) .    I have a mchine running alpha 2 which is stable but not "production" but of course RC and alpha2 arent the same  :)
[08:38] <PC_Nerd101> Thankyou :)
[08:45] <Jeeves_> yw
[09:25] <Eric^-> Tjena
[09:26] <Eric^-> ingen här ? :D
[09:31] <twb> dnsmasq question:
[09:32] <twb> How do I provide a rootpath that  initramfs-tools' ipconfig will see?
[09:33] <twb> Hm, dhcp-option=17,/opt/ltsp/i386 ?
[09:55] <MONSTERWOPSY> hi, i have a problem with UEC - Image store. Someone can help me ?
[10:14] <ray_> Hello, I have a problem with DNS, i am fairly knowledgable with bind, but need an idea on this: I manage domain.local in our lan environment. domain.com is managed externaly and I have no control over it, nor do I have domain xfer capabilities, so i do not know If they add new hosts or change anything. The point is I need now to resolve xxx.domain.com with an internal IP on the lan, but it should have it's proper extrenal IP on the in
[10:14] <ray_> ternet. As stated before, I can't really use SplitDNS because the outside server is out of my control. Is there a way to tell bind to be authoritive for xxx.domain.com only? ==
[10:15] <ray_> Or can I tell bind to be authoritive for domain.com, answer only xxx.domain.com directly and forward all other request to the real dns server?
[10:15] <Jeeves_> Afaik, you can't
[10:15] <Jeeves_> If it's authoritative for a domain, it will not forward requests
[10:16] <_ruben> ray_: you could add a zone for xxx.domain.com
[10:16] <Jeeves_> Ah, yes
[10:16] <Jeeves_> That's possible
[10:17] <ray_> hmm, that was what I was thinking also, but do I have to take special care regarding the configuration? As i remember correctly you have after the SOA record NS information, and then the data records, how do I tell bind the IP for the zone itself?
[10:18] <ray_> just add an A record again for xxx.domain.com?
[10:19] <ray_> like: xxx.domain.com. IN A IP?
[10:19] <Jeeves_> ray_: No.
[10:20] <Jeeves_> Create a new zone, per hostname
[10:20] <Eric^-> Guys, what command do i write to open my program?
[10:21] <Jeeves_> Eric^-: That depends on the program you're trying to start :)
[10:21] <Eric^-> it's a ftp program
[10:21] <ray_> Jeeves_, sorry, I think I made myself not very clear, I know I have to create a new zone-file, but I have .... ah, forget it ... it's coming to me, the domain itself is treatable like any other host declaration inside the zone file ...
[10:21] <Eric^-> Jeeves_: Pure-ftp
[10:22] <ray_> right?
[10:26] <Jeeves_> Eric^-: /etc/init.d/pure-ftdp restart ?
[10:35] <Hatrix> someone got LXC running? I always got error-messages trying to start a container, i am looking to an migration path from OpenVZ, as it's clearly not supported (officially) in ubuntu and I want to use lucid for my hosts ....
[10:44] <swift> hi guys.. wassup?
[10:45] <swift> had a question on mrtg... how can I append(add) more graph to my index.html page of mrtg. I want to monitor another router in addition to the router I am already monitoring via mrtg
[10:46] <Hatrix> isn't mrtg like, stone-age? I use cactii for monitoring my devices ...
[10:49] <swift> I want to try out mrtg
[10:50] <swift> any idea how i can monitor many devices at once?
[10:50] <swift> coz, when I run indexmaker --output.... it replaces the old graphs(for the first router)
[10:50] <Hatrix> sorry, don't have much (any) knowledge of mrtg ...
[10:51] <Hatrix> but if you want to take an advice from a stranger (not always the best thing to do) have a look on cacti ...
[11:09] <smoser> ttx, ping
[11:09] <smoser> lool, ping
[11:54] <zorzar> hey, i'm just playing around with a 10.04rc ec2 instance. i installed apache, started it and get a timeout when trying to connect to the public dns name of the instance. i enabled 80/tcp in ufw
[11:59] <netritious> Hi, if I install Lucid RC on my server today and apt-get upgrade after the official release, am I running RC or official release at that point? I wasn't certain and thought I would ask.
[12:00] <_ruben> netritious: official
[12:00] <netritious> _ruben: thank you
[12:02] <netritious> one more question..is what is considered non-official (alpha, beta, RC) official release based on the kernel only or are there other factors?
[12:03] <_ruben> any package (kernel related or not) can expect to have bugs fixed between the various (pre-)releases
[12:04] <_ruben> in theory *all* packages would get upgraded between rc and final, tho in reality only a "small" subset of packages will change
[12:05] <netritious> _ruben: I assumed that's how it worked..thanks for the clarification
[12:16] <_ruben> oh .. s/would/could/ btw ;)
[13:25] <hggdh> kirkland: No OOMs. I ran about 4,000 instances against it, and no OOM. mem usage on the Walrus still sounds high, but it survived
[13:30] <OzFalcon> is it ok to get an "fb0: unsupported mode requested" error?
[13:31] <OzFalcon> When booting Ubuntu Server
[13:32] <OzFalcon> Server 10.04 hangs when fstab external drive is turned off.
[13:33] <OzFalcon> Or am I just unlucky?
[13:33] <OzFalcon> Server 10.04 hangs while booting when external drive is turned off, But has entry in fstab.
[13:40] <_ruben> OzFalcon: hangs temporarily or refuses to continue completely?
[14:00] <Slidey> ive just upgraded from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04, but now my eucalyptus isnt working - i let it reset the configuration (put a new eucalyptus.conf into place), but when i run euca_conf --discover-nodes it looks as though its missing //var/lib/eucalyptus/services, and then exiting without finding/adding any nodes
[14:04] <OzFalcon> _ruben, refuses to continue completely!
[14:36] <kirkland> hggdh: rock!
[14:36] <kirkland> hggdh: alrighty, i'm going to get this eucalyptus uploaded to -proposed
[14:36] <hggdh> kirkland: nice ;-)
[14:38] <kirkland> hggdh: once it's been accepted into lucid-propose (will be a few days, probably next week), i'll need you to slam it one more time like that (overnight, perhaps)
[14:39] <kirkland> hggdh: of your 4000 instances, how many succeeded, and how many were affected by other bugs?
[14:39] <hggdh> kirkland: (1) no prob; (2) the usual ~50% success, failures are a mix of metadata and routing
[14:39] <kirkland> hggdh: gotcha
[14:40] <hggdh> kirkland: BTW -- cjwatson seems to have resolved the issue with plymouth/mountall, we should consider it for SRU
[14:40] <hggdh> bug 567592
[14:41] <kirkland> hggdh: oh, sweet
[14:41]  * hggdh is happy time is now available for other things :-)
[14:41] <kirkland> hggdh: great job testing this stuff, dude
[14:42] <cjwatson> I *think* it's the same issue
[14:42] <cjwatson> it may not be all of it
[14:42] <cjwatson> it's part of it
[14:42] <hggdh> kirkland: thank you, but rather time-comsuming
[14:42] <hggdh> cjwatson: I agree, but at least we can hammer it, and check for new issues
[14:42] <hggdh> cjwatson: BTW, THANK YOU!
[14:43] <cjwatson> np
[14:44] <kirkland> hggdh: okay, so to SRU this puppy ....
[14:44] <hggdh> kirkland: will you check & mark done the tests in the blueprint?
[14:44] <kirkland> hggdh: yup
[14:45] <kirkland> hggdh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[14:47] <mathiaz> ttx: hey - bug 571057
[14:47] <mathiaz> ttx: that will happen for systems that where upgraded from intrepid+jaunty to karmic to lucid
[14:47] <soren> hggdh: You tried to run 4000 instances on Eucalyptus and got a 50% success rate?
[14:48] <mathiaz> ttx: upgrade from karmic and hardy won't be affected
[14:48] <ttx> mathiaz: right -- think it doesn't warrant a release note ?
[14:48] <mathiaz> ttx: It does
[14:48] <mathiaz> ttx: I'm writting it now
[14:48] <ttx> mathiaz: ok, then I'm in full agreement with you
[14:48] <hggdh> soren: yes, this is about the current success rate on an all-distributed topology
[14:49] <mathiaz> ttx: I'm just confirming the impact of the bug
[14:49] <ttx> thanks
[14:49] <mathiaz> ttx: ie - only a small portion of the systems are impacted
[14:50] <ttx> mathiaz/kirkland: did you make any progress confirming or invalidating the RAID install thing kirkland ran into ?
[14:50] <mathiaz> ttx: I wasn't able to reproduce it
[14:50] <kirkland> ttx: neither of us could validate
[14:51] <kirkland> ttx: wasn't for lack of trying
[14:51] <mathiaz> ttx: so we've decided to lower the importance of the bug
[14:51] <ttx> kirkland: ack
[14:51] <hggdh> soren: the test logs are at lp:~hggdh2/+junk/uec-qa
[14:52] <soren> hggdh: "All distributed"? As opposed to what?
[14:52] <ttx> kirkland / hggdh: you can update the whiteboard at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-lucid-uec-testing to reflect that the RC is already done ?
[14:52] <hggdh> soren: CLC+Walrus+CC+SC, NCs, or CLC+Walrus, CC+SC, NCs
[14:53] <hggdh> ttx: I already did. Did I miss any?
[14:53] <ttx> hggdh: ah cool, I missed that
[14:53] <ttx> hggdh: I guess only [kirkland] * Sign off on RC candidate tests: TODO is left then
[14:53] <hggdh> ttx: I did it this morning ;-)
[14:54] <hggdh> ttx: ack
[14:54] <soren> hggdh: Ah, ok.
[14:55] <ttx> mathiaz: please update server-lucid-puppet-uec-ec2-integration to reflect POSTPONED/TODO/DONE work items
[14:56] <mathiaz> ttx: done - all POSTPONED
[14:58] <Slidey> anyone able to run avahi-browse -rtv -a on a cluster node master for me and tell me if they can see the nodes (and what ver of ubuntu they're running) ?
[14:59] <ttx> mathiaz: heh, thanks !
[15:00] <kirkland> ttx: k
[15:00] <jiboumans> server team: get your blueprints registered asap
[15:00] <jiboumans> this is *not* a drill
[15:01] <zul> done and done
[15:02] <Slidey> anyone?
[15:02] <rgreening> kirkland: hey. I was interested in getting tacacs+ back into the archives. It seems debian dropped them a while back, but I can not seem to locate the reason. Know of anything? http://www.shrubbery.net has the source package and it was updated in late 2009. So, it still seems somewhat active.
[15:03] <smoser> hggdh, were you going to add blueprint of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickIdeaPool
[15:03] <kirkland> rgreening: no, sorry
[15:04] <smoser> for " UEC Testing " or do i need to
[15:04] <hggdh> smoser: I will do it
[15:04] <smoser> k
[15:04] <hggdh> smoser: it will be a mix of QA and server
[15:04] <rgreening> kirkland: know who on server team may be best contact to work with regarding this locing/auth daemon?
[15:04] <rgreening> login/auth
[15:04] <kirkland> rgreening: mathiaz perhaps?
[15:05] <rgreening> cool. ty.
[15:06] <rgreening> mathiaz: any suggestions? It may be nice to discuss at UDS? I have no issues in presenting and hosting a blueprint for it if theres interest or if it can be lumped in with another blueprint topic
[15:07] <mathiaz> rgreening: what's the reason for being dropped from the Debian archive?
[15:08] <rgreening> mathiaz: I can not seem to locate that (though to be honest, not sure where to look)
[15:09] <mathiaz> rgreening: I'd search the Debian bug database to find the archive removal request
[15:09] <rgreening> mathiaz: ok. let me do some digging...
[15:14] <rgreening> mathiaz: According to this... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474985 it's dead upstream (as of 2008).
[15:15] <mathiaz> rgreening: ok - I'd try to get it included in Debian again if upstream started to be active again
[15:16] <rgreening> Actually, looks like the original package was the "cisco" one and not the forked one from shrubbery (reading the bug report).
[15:17] <mathiaz> rgreening: then it would be a new package
[15:17] <mcas> kirkland: ping
[15:17] <mathiaz> rgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[15:17] <mathiaz> rgreening: ^^ outlines how to get new packages in Ubuntu
[15:17] <rgreening> mathiaz: seems so. I'll start looking at packaging it under ubuntu to get it working. Then follow the guide to get it in. ty
[15:18] <mathiaz> rgreening: np :)
[15:18] <rgreening> mathiaz: btw: I have already emailed upstream for this package. Verify any known issues and how well supported it will be going forward.
[15:18] <kirkland> mcas: pong
[15:19] <mcas> hi kirkland i have a short question about testdrive
[15:19] <kirkland> mcas: i'm tied up right now, but go ahead and ask
[15:19] <mcas> is there a reason why there are no links to kubuntu or xubuntu dvds?
[15:19] <rgreening> mcas: ++ :)
[15:20] <mcas> i could create a bug report on testdrive and give you the correct lines for the etc-file
[15:20] <rgreening> kirkland would need to update testdrive to have images cached by distro in the cache dir. otherwise, adding appropriate info to the config works
[15:21] <rgreening> for me anyway...
[15:21] <mcas> yes but i think this could be helpfull for some iso testers
[15:21] <kirkland> mcas: my GSoC student will be working on that this summer
[15:21] <mcas> ah ok thx kirkland
[15:22] <kirkland> mcas: the main problem is the way in which these are named in cdimage.ubuntu.com;  they're all have the same base file name
[15:22] <kirkland> mcas: so the rsync wouldn't work properly
[15:22] <Slidey> after an upgrade of 9.10 -> 10.04 the euca_conf --discover-nodes flag doesnt work - it looks like avahi-daemon isnt returning hte correct info. it does look as that the register-nodes *is* working though
[15:22] <kirkland> mcas: but we'll try to get it fixed
[15:22] <kirkland> Slidey: it's auto-magical now
[15:23] <Slidey> according to euca_conf source its still using avahi-browse |grep node
[15:23] <mcas> thx i haven't seen this yet
[15:23] <Slidey> and they arent returning anything with that
[15:25] <prashant8> Enter text here...hi
[15:25] <prashant8> i have a problem or grub error after taking the uodates
[15:25] <prashant8>  can anybudy solve it
[15:25] <prashant8>  please
[15:26] <prashant8> hey anybudy is there
[15:27] <alvin> !ask
[15:28] <prashant8> after rebooting it gives f=grub error
[15:28] <alvin> nothing more?
[15:28] <prashant8> ok
[15:28] <prashant8>  sorry
[15:29] <prashant8>  sh grub>
[15:29] <alvin> not something like "disk error"?
[15:29] <prashant8> no
[15:29] <prashant8> no disk erro
[15:30] <prashant8> i solve it but
[15:30] <alvin> Is the update you talk about Lucid? In that case, better go to #ubuntu+1
[15:30] <prashant8> are not lucid
[15:30] <prashant8>  ubuntu 9.10
[15:31] <prashant8> but after restart it give same error
[15:32] <prashant8> reply me
[15:32] <prashant8>  please
[15:32] <prashant8>  wht can i do for solving the problem
[15:32] <alvin> You will need to give more information about your specific setup.
[15:35] <prashant8>  i have vista in one of the drive i put the ubuntu i go to ubuntu it asking for update i update it asking for reboot i reboot the pc then it gives GMU GRUB version 1.87''beta4  ( Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device/file completions. )  sh:grub> _
[15:35] <prashant8> that error
[15:37] <prashant8> i done it by     sh:grub> set root=(loop0) sh:grub>linux /boot/vmlinuz-2-2.6.31-14-generic root=/dev/sda5 loop=/ubuntu/disks/root.disk ro      sh:grub> initrd /boot/initrd.img--2.6.31-14-generic      sh:grub> boot
[15:38] <prashant8> after that it is running
[15:38] <prashant8>  and start it
[15:38] <prashant8> then i gop to terminal and type the command sudo update-grub
[15:38] <prashant8> it working
[15:40] <prashant8>  but when i restart my laptop then it again give same error that GMU GRUB version 1.87''beta4  ( Minimal BASH-like line editingis supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device/file completions. )
[15:40] <prashant8> >
[15:40] <prashant8> >
[15:40] <prashant8> >
[15:40] <prashant8> tell me what can i do
[15:40] <prashant8>  now
[15:40] <Pici> !patience
[15:42] <prashant8> are tumachya iecha bhok
[15:42] <prashant8>  me kay eth zakamarayalka basaloy ka
[15:42] <prashant8>  i ghala tumachi
[15:42] <prashant8>  are yet nahi tar sanagana mag
[15:42] <prashant8>  amhi punekar
[15:42] <prashant8> are ghost freeman solve my problem
[15:42] <prashant8>  ya
[15:42] <prashant8> r
[15:45] <Slidey> when i run euca-bundle-image (which is called by uec-publish-tarball) im getting an invalid cert error - the cert is the one downloaded using euca_conf --get-credentials and *looks* ok
[15:48] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, howdy!! any news on the testdrive blueprint you proposed ?
[15:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sorry, no
[15:48] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i gotta work on blueprints
[15:50] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ok :)
[15:55] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, so I should just wait till they get reviewed and approved correct?
[15:55] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: please get your modularization changes tested and proposed for merging
[15:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i'd like to get that merged and in *before* UDS, ideally
[15:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't see much value in having a modularization session at UDS
[15:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: at UDS, let's focus on the interface
[15:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: get a whiteboard, draw up the story boards, interface, etc.
[15:56] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: get input from the QA team, if and how they'd like to use TestDrive more
[15:57] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we'll take good notes and design the interface based on the feedback
[15:57] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, Yes, UDS session only on the Interface design and features. I'll work this week on the modularization and i'll try to have it done by the end of this week.
[15:58] <RoAkSoAx> and wlll get input from QA, as well as contact desktop/design team for participation on the session
[16:40] <zul> ttx: i combined the vscan and zafara in the server-maverick-new-stacks spec
[16:41] <ttx> zul:  ok
[16:41] <ttx> updating pool
[16:42] <nimrod10`> has anyone one of you tried a x86 os on a six core amd before ? I'm wondering if the os version is the cause of me not seeing all 12 cores and only 6
[16:42] <ttx> zul: please update pool to fix typos
[16:42] <ttx> and add ref to that spec
[17:34] <mathiaz> zul: are you still editing the MaverickIdeaPool wiki page?
[17:35] <zul> mathiaz: lemme check
[17:35] <TeTeT> if the meta data service on the cc is not started, any chance to start it?
[17:35] <zul> mathiaz: no
[17:37] <TeTeT> the error for the failed metadataservice on the cc is here:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424078/
[18:00] <palt> Hi
[18:00] <palt> I'm having some problems setting up openldap with TLS
[18:00] <palt> When I try to start the service 'slapd -h "ldap:// ldaps://' -d 1 I get the following error
[18:00] <palt> TLS: could not set cipher list TLS_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA.
[18:01] <palt> Anyone has any idea what is wrong?
[18:27] <maek> I attached a sata drive to a server on USB via a sata to usb converter cable. dmesg shows "sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi disk sdd" but fdisk -l doesnt list /dev/sdd. any idea what I can do to investigate this disk?
[18:32] <hggdh> when will we have the final image? Still more UEC stress to go through then...
[18:39] <RoyK> maek: strange - it usually lists it - try cat /proc/partitions
[18:40] <maek> RoyK: it was my usb port. I moved it and it worked fine. thanks.
[18:40] <RoyK> k
[18:40] <Jeeves_Moss> how can I solve this apt issue?  http://pastebin.com/xKaQpeRV
[18:41] <Jeeves_Moss> how can I solve this apt issue?  http://pastebin.com/xKaQpeRV
[18:44] <RoyK> Jeeves_Moss: backup dovecot config and data, apt-get remove --purge dovecot, apt-get install .....
[18:46] <Jeeves_Moss> RoyK,  lol, tried that.  same error
[18:49] <RoyK> Jeeves_Moss: create the dir/files it reports missing and try again :)
[18:49] <RoyK> dpkg doesn't like missing stuff even with --purge
[18:49] <RoyK> just create dummy files
[18:49] <RoyK> touch asdf will suffice
[18:49] <Jeeves_Moss> RoyK,  well, it's totally broken my APT system!  arrgghhh
[18:50] <RoyK> mkdir /var/run/dovecot
[18:50] <RoyK> and try again
[18:50] <Jeeves_Moss> <evil grin>  I think I may have killed it by removing /var/lib/dovecot
[18:51] <Jeeves_Moss> what's the command to search if a package is installed?
[18:52] <RoyK> dpkg -l
[18:52] <Jeeves_Moss> thanks.
[18:53] <Jeeves_Moss> YES!!!  it's gone!!!
[18:53] <Jeeves_Moss> thanks!!!
[18:53] <RoyK> :)
[18:54] <Jeeves_Moss> next up.  do you know of a good/working howto to get v-hosted e-mail setup?  (ie. postfix, postfixadmin, dovecot, etc)
[18:55] <maek> if I have an mdadm raid device md0. and I remove the drives that comprise md0 and boot my computer will that "break" my md0 raid?
[18:55] <maek> or should I be able to just put the disks back and reboot and be ok?
[18:55] <Jeeves_Moss> maek,  lol, ummmmm, be VERRY careful!  how is the RAID setup?
[18:55] <RoyK> Jeeves_Moss: have you checked https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html ?
[18:55] <maek> Jeeves_Moss: its a mirror
[18:56] <maek> disk 1 is OS disk 2 and 3 are in mdadm mirror
[18:56] <RoyK> maek: if you've carefully configured grub, it should work well
[18:56] <RoyK> if not booting from the mirror, it should work well
[18:56] <maek> RoyK: grub cares not for these disks.
[18:56] <maek> ok, thanks
[18:56] <Jeeves_Moss> that's true.  it depends on where the grub is
[18:56] <maek> grub is on the boot disk
[18:57] <maek> and boot disk has nothing to do with md0
[18:57] <Jeeves_Moss> RoyK, yes, I've looked @ that, but I need something that's SIMPLE to work with.  I don't feel like doing tech support calls all the time for adding e-mail addresses.  This is why I asked about postfixadmin
[18:58]  * RoyK just uses zimbra :)
[18:58] <rgreening> mathiaz: hmm... seems like someone has made a tacacs+ package in debian (yay). Now I just need it in Lucid... It's in squeeze and sid, so we'll get it automatically for Maverick http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/tacacs+/tacacs+_<IP_ADDRESS>-6/changelog
[18:59] <RoyK> Zimbra is not included in ubuntu, and probably won't be in a while, and works best on a dedicated machine (or VM)
[18:59] <RoyK> it's open source, but contains enough integrated stuff to hardly work on a normal system
[19:00] <TeTeT> mathiaz: hi, do we support booting from EBS yet in UEC?
[19:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^?
[19:00] <WALoeIII> ebs boot++
[19:00] <TeTeT> mathiaz: thks
[19:02] <rgreening> mathiaz: not sure how I missed it the first zillion times I searched for it... oh well.
[19:03] <mathiaz> rgreening: good - turns out there is even *less* work to be done
[19:03] <rgreening> yep.
[19:04] <cn1109> can I ask a question about filtering with squid?
[19:05] <rgreening> mathiaz: So, I should be able to request a sync for Lucid? Yes?
[19:05] <mathiaz> rgreening: heu - no
[19:05] <mathiaz> rgreening: lucid is about to be released in one day
[19:06] <mathiaz> rgreening: it's *way* too late to sync anything to lucid
[19:06] <rgreening> right..
[19:06] <mathiaz> rgreening: it should lend if maverick
[19:07] <mathiaz> rgreening: in the meantime you can build it in a PPA for lucid
[19:07] <rgreening> so, I guess I'll throw up a PPA for it for now...
[19:07] <rgreening> ya
[19:07] <rgreening> heh
[19:07] <rgreening> you read my mind
[19:07] <RoyK> TeTeT: wtf is ebs?
[19:07] <rgreening> or I yours
[19:07] <rgreening> ty mathiaz
[19:08] <TeTeT> RoyK: elastic block storage, a term in UEC (Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud)
[19:09] <RoyK> k
[19:09]  * RoyK still sticks with ZFS for large volumes
[19:22] <Eric^-> Hey guys
[19:22] <Eric^-> I'm trying to change a setting but it's not possible to save it
[19:22] <Eric^-> Either when i try w! or qw!
[19:22] <Eric^-> It's closed for writing ..
[19:23] <cemc> Eric^-: what setting? which file? do you have permission to change it?
[19:24] <Eric^-> oh, fuck i might have forgot to write sudo before opening it! let me try that first
[19:24] <cemc> Eric^-: read-only filesystem? :)
[19:25] <RoyK> lol @ Eric^-
[19:25] <cemc> Eric^-: if you don't want to edit it again from the beginning (say you changed a lot of things), you can always :w /tmp/foo
[19:26] <Eric^-> It worked to write sudo before ;P sorry for me i'm a noob.
[19:26] <cemc> ;)
[19:27] <Gol023> good evening
[19:30] <Gol023> i have set up a server and have installed webmin which is working well, but when i try to open a php page i'm asked if i would like to save it rather than firefox displaying it... can anyone help please?
[19:39] <chewbranca> hey what kind of hardware is required to setup ubuntu enterprise cloud and eucalyptus with a handful of vms? do you need later hardware with builtin virtualization support?
[19:40] <chewbranca> I found a server recycle center in town and I'm looking to pick up a dual xeon 64 bit, but its not the newer versions that have builtin virtualization
[19:40] <chewbranca> would that work?
[20:38] <kirkland> mathiaz, TeTeT: no, not that I know of
[20:47] <Jeeves_Moss> what do I have wrong with this config?  I keep getting a 404.  http://pastebin.com/HC3xJw1Q
[20:49] <guntbert> Jeeves_Moss: whats in the logs?
[20:49] <Jeeves_Moss> guntbert, nothing worthwhile!
[20:50] <Jeeves_Moss> one sec....  <hangs head in shame>
[20:50] <guntbert> Jeeves_Moss: a 404 is usually to be found in error.log too  -- along with the directory it tries to read
[20:51] <Jeeves_Moss> lol,  hence the hanging head in shame
[20:52] <guntbert> Jeeves_Moss: :)
[20:52] <guntbert> I read that only after my statement :)
[20:52] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, what should I do with the license headers for the modularization?? Add myself?
[20:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sure ;-)
[20:53] <RoAkSoAx> :)
[20:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: make sure any new code is licensed GPLv3 (and only v3)
[20:53] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: but if you're making significant changes, then yes, please add your name ;-)
[20:53] <Jeeves_Moss> guntbert, nope, that didn't work.  it's like apache is totally ignoring the requests
[20:54] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, I'm keeping same license and well modularization is a significant change :)
[20:55] <Jeeves_Moss> guntbert, @ least I got ampache to work!
[20:55] <guntbert> Jeeves_Moss: try it from the local machine - either use w3m localhost or even telnet localhost 80
[20:58] <incorrect> hi, i was wondering, is there a way to clean up old kernels that aren't needed any more? i've been using tweak-ubuntu on my desktop, i just noticed my server is getting very cluttered
[20:59] <guntbert> incorrect: you can remove them with aptitude or apt-get
[20:59] <Jeeves_Moss> guntbert, it's not that big of a deal just yet.  it's just roundcube.
[20:59] <guntbert> Jeeves_Moss: ok  -- what is roundcube?
[20:59] <incorrect> guntbert, i was really after a house keeping instruction, but sure i can remove them manually
[21:00] <AlexC_> morning Earthlings
[21:00] <AlexC_> I've not got a Ubuntu install around, however could someone please pastebin the output of 'php -m' please?
[21:01] <guntbert> incorrect: as far as I know grub2 has nothing like a "janitor"
[21:01] <incorrect> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/KC6Ch0CT
[21:01] <incorrect> oh well nevermind
[21:05] <AlexC_> incorrect: excellent, thanks very much :)
[21:05] <incorrect> np AlexC_
[21:05] <AlexC_> incorrect: actually, just to confirm - have you installed any modules? More specically, any to do with zip and zlib?
[21:06] <AlexC_> s/specically/specifically
[21:06] <incorrect> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424195/
[21:06] <incorrect> from dpkg -l  |grep php
[21:07] <AlexC_> excellent that's great
[21:11] <JonOomph> Greetings everyone!  I have a postfix question.  I am trying to setup a custom bounce template. Is it possible to use the "Original Subject" as a variable in the template?
[22:24] <tgalal> I need to setup a  Huwaii USB modem for use on Ubuntu Server..
[22:24] <tgalal> ubuntu server 9.10
[22:41] <akincer> I installed OTRS and after working through the dependency fail witht he perl dev module and getting email working, I'm getting this error getting email every 10 minutes
[22:42] <akincer> ERROR: No such file or directory: /usr/share/otrs/Kernel/Config/Files/ZZZAuto.pm
[22:42] <akincer> any clues?
[22:42] <akincer> running 10.04 RC
[22:43] <akincer> I checked and there is actually that exact "file" there as a link
[22:56] <zorzar> is there an estimate when the 10.04 torrents will be released?
[23:00] <lifeless> 14 hours or so
[23:01] <zorzar> lifeless: ok thx
[23:57] <RootChaos> anyone knows when is the next LTS release based on 9.x ?
[23:58] <RootChaos> we have around 160 production servers running on 8.04LTS, but doesnt support many of the new hardware coming out...
[23:58] <Insyte> RootChaos: There will not be a 9.x LTS.  The next LTS is 10.04 and it's due by the end of this month.
[23:59] <RootChaos> Insyte:whoohoo
[23:59] <RootChaos> can't wait...
[23:59] <RootChaos> \o/
[23:59] <Insyte> RootChaos: Then don't.  You can play with pre-release versions now.
[23:59] <RootChaos> thanx anyways
[23:59] <Insyte> Only bugfixes to go.
[23:59] <RootChaos> we have only a few 9.x servers at the moment


[08:05] <ddecator_> does renaming a profile essentially create a new profile?
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> BOONNNSSSSSS DDIIIIIAAAASSSSSSSSS
[08:55] <ddecator_> and hello again BUGabundo_remote =p
[08:55]  * BUGabundo_remote hugs ddecator_ and throws him up in the air
[08:55]  * BUGabundo_remote waves as he goes up
[08:55] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: whoa o.o
[08:55] <ddecator_> haha
[08:56] <ddecator_> BUGabundo_remote: quick question. do you know if a user simply renaming their firefox profile has the same effect as creating a new profile?
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> but $ firefox --ProfileManager is a better option
[08:58] <ddecator_> right, i think that's what they used...i'm working on a bug report and i asked them to make a new profile, gave them the command, and they said they renamed it, haha. just wanted to make sure so i can respond accordingly
[08:58] <ddecator_> unless you can't rename a profile using the profile manager, idk
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> much better then that
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> is to start on SAFEMODE and reproduce
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> much less hassle
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> or if wanna do it the _funny_ way
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> ask them to start a Gnome Guest Session from FUSA
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> that's a clean, destructable user profile
[08:59] <BUGabundo_remote> works with 9.10 and 10.04
[09:00] <ddecator_> i used to ask people to try safe-mode, but i didn't want them to accidently reset all of their settings or anything because they didn't read the dialogue box that pops up =p
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> the hard part would be for screenshots to be send back
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> yeah, that could be dangerous
[09:09] <ddecator_> idk, it's 3:10am here, i need to figure that out tomorrow...er, later today, haha
[09:13] <fta2> do we have a minifier for javascript in lucid?
[10:12] <ripps> hmmmmm.... html5 youtube causes chromium dev ppa to crash
[10:32] <fta2> ripps, ? url?
[10:33] <fta2> wfm here in x64
[10:33] <fta2> using trunk
[10:35] <ripps> fta2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZlyHtSZsYQ&feature=grec
[10:35] <ripps> actually, I think it crashes everytime I try to play any video
[10:36] <ripps> I can play video podcasts from google reader, I always have to open the link in epiphany to play it.
[10:37] <fta2> that url works for me
[10:37] <fta2> chromium-browser 5.0.365.0~svn20100329r42923-0ubuntu1~ucd1
[10:37] <fta2> chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra 0.5+svn20100330r43036+43030+43160-0ubuntu1~ucd1
[10:38] <ripps> fta2: yeah, I have the same packages.
[10:39] <fta2> if you can get a crash trace, please file a bug
[10:40] <ripps> geez, 87 mb just for a dbg package
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> fta we are not bundling flash with chromium are we ??
[10:59] <BUGabundo_remote> please say NO
[11:00] <BUGabundo_remote> ripps: WFM
[11:00] <ripps> wfm?
[11:00] <BUGabundo_remote> Works For Me
[11:01] <ripps> ah
[11:01] <ripps> I'm installing some dbg packages now to try to get to the root of the problem
[11:02] <ripps> hmm... chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra-dbg tries to install ffmpeg package instead of ffmpeg-extra
[11:07] <ripps> fta2: I'm not getting anything in gdb when a crash occurs, how do I get gdb to focus on a particular tab's thread?
[11:14] <ripps> 0xb6e0e26c in av_opt_set_defaults2 () from /usr/lib/chromium-browser/libffmpegsumo.so
[11:17] <ripps> fta2 BUGabundo_remote: ^^
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> don't look at me
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm just an user
[11:23] <ripps> Hmm... when I use the normal ffmepg-codecs, not -extra, browser doesn't crash, but the video never loads, the loading icon just keeps going.
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> html5 is on the "normal"
[12:37] <fta2> ripps, please install the codecs dbg too, then let apport resolve it
[12:37] <fta2> BUGabundo_remote, internal flash, not sure. this needs to be discussed
[12:37] <fta2> there are pros and cons
[12:39] <ripps> fta2: well, -extras-dbg removes the -extra package and installs the normal -ffmpeg package. Apport doesn't seem to capture any crashes in chromium, so I'm not sure how that should help.
[12:39] <ripps> And I only experience the "crash" with the -extra codecs, normal just never loads.
[12:41] <fta2> hm, i need to fix that dbg thing then
[12:45] <fta2> fixed, but bzr is down, and lp read-only
[12:46] <ripps> I'm going to bed anyway, I've already filed a bug at the chromium bug tracker.
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> asac - so, i've nearly finished with the mozilla updates now. i've updated nss in karmic to 3.12.6 as required. we don't need to update nss in jaunty for the default browser (3.0), but we ship 3.5/1.9.1 in universe which needs it. is that ok to update too?
[21:27] <ripps> fta2: dev-channel google chrome works with youtube html5, but not chromium. So I think something must be wrong with the codec packages.
[22:02] <BUGabundo> bRoas