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[03:01] <tsimonq2> I had to play with the SSH keys in Phabricator a little bit.
[03:01] <tsimonq2> Nothing was mirroring to Launchpad and that was a problem.
[03:02] <tsimonq2> After a few hours in the hole, the issue ended up being that Launchpad needs a separate SSH key pair. It can be identical to the previous pair, but it just needs a different username.
[03:02] <tsimonq2> So there's now one for Launchpad mirrors with the username Lugito and another for the GitHub mirrors with the username git.
[03:04] <tsimonq2> I ran all of the mirror commands manually on the server with the CLI. There are maybe three minor errors but that's about it.
[03:33] <tsimonq2> https://discourse.phabricator-community.org/t/wrong-column-type-everywhere-other-errors-on-fresh-db-upgrade/3872/9?u=tsimonq2
[03:33] <tsimonq2> Spent some time on that.
[04:09] <tsimonq2> I tried to dig into that but unfortunately migrating several major versions of MySQL is over my head.
[04:09] <tsimonq2> I hope to learn something when Evan takes a look.
[04:10] <tsimonq2> In the meantime, Jenkins and Phab are on 20.04.
[04:10] <tsimonq2> I hope to work on the other ones as time permits.
[04:10] <tsimonq2> In between that, I'm still testing that Lintian patch for the builds
[04:12] <tsimonq2> It failed on groovy_unstable_qterminal because I did the versioning wrong for the command. Should be working now but I have to wait for a successful build + publish to confirm.
[04:13] <tsimonq2> The reason why it hasn't been unstable, and it's been marked as failed, is because in the Jenkins config for the job I marked an exit status of 1 as unstable. Any other non-0 exit status just falls through to a failure.
[04:13] <tsimonq2> This works with Lintian because:
[04:13] <tsimonq2> EXIT STATUS
[04:13] <tsimonq2>        0   No policy violations or major errors detected.  (There may have been warnings, though.)
[04:13] <tsimonq2>        1   Policy violations or major errors detected.
[04:14] <tsimonq2>        2   Lintian run-time error. An error message is sent to stderr.
[04:14] <tsimonq2> I want to get this handled and run a nightly before the LP publisher maintenance starts.
[04:19] <tsimonq2> Tested that qterminal will actually pass Lintian locally. It does.
[04:29] <tsimonq2> The manual site will be going down shortly for a little less than an hour for the 20.04 upgrade. This should probably be the most harmless upgrade of them all.
[04:29] <tsimonq2> I'll also see if we can actually get it to point to Phab this time instead of having to use the GitHub mirror.
[04:30] <tsimonq2> (Especially since mirroring can sometimes break and it's not the lowercase-c canonical source.)
[04:34] <tsimonq2> Finished: SUCCESS
[04:34] <tsimonq2> Nice.
[04:35] <tsimonq2> I'll deploy that to all the jobs then.
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[04:42] <tsimonq2> I don't know if I'll catch this in time for publisher maintenance. :/
[04:42] <tsimonq2> I might.
[04:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI050cf6cb124e: Bump the total lp_check allowed time to 6 hours from 2, to account for…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI050cf6cb124e
[04:46] <tsimonq2> There. I'll revisit things when the nightly is done, and if it gets caught up in publisher maintenance, it shouldn't fail all of the jobs.
[04:47] <tsimonq2> (To be fair, we probably could have gotten away with 4, so 6 hours is more than enough, but meh, I decided to intentionally overshoot on that one. Worst case scenario, someone can just kill the job.)
[04:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIbf8edaaf9dc6: Make sure we don't fail when loading the non-data-using release-mgmt template.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIbf8edaaf9dc6
[04:57] <tsimonq2> If my Python is correct, that should make jobgenerator pass again.
[04:59] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI5fb09fda6db9: Slightly clean that up.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI5fb09fda6db9
[05:28]  * tsimonq2 wonders why LCI is timing out even though the nightly didn't even run at midnight O_o
 @lubuntu_bot [*tsimonq2: wonders why LCI is timing out even though the nightly didn't even run …], because SOMETHING you have running pegged the host system
 load avg 150 for > 30 minutes
[05:31] <tsimonq2> Probably the nightly.
[05:31] <tsimonq2> I need to reduce the amount of concurrent jobs that can run.
 yes, you do
 except it seized up the entire host system
[05:32] <tsimonq2> I'll do that as soon as it's back up. ;)
[05:32] <tsimonq2> Oh, nice.
[05:32] <tsimonq2> Kick it?
 vCenter just triggered the notification right now
 and force rebooted the system
 hardreset
 yep that's happened
[05:32] <tsimonq2> To be fair, I don't think the nightly has run on this server yet.
 probably not :P
 BUT it explains why it seized up
 and why vCenter's "Unstable System" script I wrote kicked in
 @tsimonq2 vCenter failed in guest OS restart, so it hard-reset the box, should be up shortly
 wow really you pegged it again
[05:36] <tsimonq2> O_o
[05:36] <tsimonq2> No, I haven't touched it dude.
[05:37] <tsimonq2> I can at least SSH in now.
 seriously, 32 concurrent Jenkins runs?
 that just started 32 concurrent jobs
[05:37] <tsimonq2> Oh, and the Web UI is working now too.
[05:37] <tsimonq2> O_O
[05:37] <tsimonq2> Yeah, that should be reduced.
 yep
[05:37] <tsimonq2> I'm on it.
 you forget I have host node access to see *all* systems :P
[05:37] <tsimonq2> :P
 yep htop on the host VM can see container processes which helps to identify things :P
[05:38] <tsimonq2> :P
 'cept I had to count the running processes manually :P
[05:39] <tsimonq2> There, reduced to 30. It was at 100 available before, which is probably why it instantly filled 1/3 of the spots, heh.
 :P
 well it spiked load to 30 which is bad on a 4CPU system
[05:39] <tsimonq2> 30 what?
 you do know that load averages indicate pressure on the threads/CPUs right?
[05:40] <tsimonq2> Please further educate me.
 load of 30 means that processes are demanding 7 times the load of available CPUs.  so 600% overloaded
[05:41] <tsimonq2> ohhh
[05:41] <tsimonq2> That's very fun. Heh.
[05:41] <tsimonq2> AKA UNLEASHING THE KRAKEN
[05:41] <tsimonq2> *shots*
 30 - 4 = 26.  SO anything over a load of 4.0 over the averages indicates overload
 650% overloaded
 USUALLY that's not an issue in the instantaneous and smaller averages
 but when that persists over a LONG period it gets concerning
 it spiked down now of course
 so instant average is 0.46
 1min = 0.46, 5min = 4.15, 15min = 4.02
 so that's actually OK
 (load average of 4 means 4 CPUs are needed)
 so it looks stable now but it instantaneously spiked to 30 :P
 which slows things down
 ESPECIALLY when the load is something like 150 :P
[05:45] <tsimonq2> :P
[05:45] <tsimonq2> Okay, so.
[05:45] <tsimonq2> Jenkins apparently has load monitoring built in.
[05:45] <tsimonq2> And I can confirm what you've been saying.
[05:45] <tsimonq2> What would you consider a *max* load if I wanted to tweak this over time?
[05:46] <tsimonq2> Like a load that can be handled for 5-10 mins.
[05:46] <tsimonq2> Give me a number and I'll tweak to get there.
[05:46] <tsimonq2> (I'm curious why you chose it too but meh.)
 well 150 is obviously overload
[05:46] <tsimonq2> True.
 but I usually say 4 - 6 times CPU is usually oK.  We have 4 CPUs on the host VM so... *maths*
 i'd say cap load at 32 if you want to do some lockdown
 i'll increase the CPUs as well if you can shut down all running jobs (or I'll just hardreboot the thing again)
[05:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T161: Fix latest errors in manual building on prod] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T161
[05:54] <tsimonq2> @teward001: I'll set it to shut down in Jenkins so that it doesn't let any more jobs execute. Once that's taken care of (might be a while because of the aforementioned LP publishing) then go for it.
[05:54] <tsimonq2> Unless you want to table it until later when the nightly is done and there are no jobs.
[05:55] <tsimonq2> Your call.
 i'll wait until later :P
 i'm headed to sleep now
[05:56] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[05:56] <tsimonq2> Have fun.
 let me know tomorrow when you've shut it :P
[05:56] <tsimonq2> I'll be up until the early morning.
[05:56] <tsimonq2> When you wake up just say something here and hard-reboot.
 @tsimonq2 saw that it stopped all builds and JFDI and upped its CPUs to 8.  That lets each CPU have 4 things scheduled.
[06:07] <tsimonq2> Thanks.
 with a load of 32 cap
[06:07] <tsimonq2> Sweeeet.
 it's hardrebooted now
[06:07] <tsimonq2> Much appreciated.
[06:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL0ef331fea445: Fix warnings sorry should have checked] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL0ef331fea445
[06:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL08d47c21b1bd: Fix warnings sorry should have checked] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL08d47c21b1bd
[06:16] <tsimonq2> Thanks Lyn, no worries. :)
[06:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL522d0ef82ec9: Fix warnings sorry should have checked] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL522d0ef82ec9
[06:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL5253f9fdf7d2: Fix table alignment finishes fixes for T161] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL5253f9fdf7d2
[06:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb39e0ff5b109: Fix table alignment finishes fixes for T161] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb39e0ff5b109
[06:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALce90991c8aa1: Fix table alignment finishes fixes for T161] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALce90991c8aa1
[11:07] <tsimonq2> I've done a very large amount of work over the last five to six hours on CI tooling.
[11:08] <tsimonq2> We have a better way now to see what exactly takes how long for jobgenerator.
[11:09] <tsimonq2> I had to fix the jobgenerator tool because it apparently wasn't updating the config files for jobs. Whoops.
[11:10] <tsimonq2> I did just kick off a nightly, so we should have a good idea as to what our Lintian failures are pretty soon.
[11:10] <tsimonq2> So if you see any
[11:10] <tsimonq2> ..."unstable" jobs, that's why.
[11:11] <tsimonq2> I also did a lot of work on overhaul for Phab permissions.
[11:11] <tsimonq2> Since wxl messed things up in summer of last year where we now can't add new people to the Developers project, I decided it was about time to create several sub-projects to delegate things better.
[11:12] <tsimonq2> For example, Erich probably doesn't need commit access to our default settings but he could use commit access to Calamares.
[11:12] <tsimonq2> That's a little bit more fine-tuned now.
[11:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI28c7f2b39705: Replace some timer calls.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI28c7f2b39705
[11:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCI1b502ee4e435: Add a decorator to TimerMetrics and wrap most of the functions.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCI1b502ee4e435
[11:29] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rCIc6f4117ab7f5: The removed timers were redundant.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rCIc6f4117ab7f5
[11:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rPPABRITNEY363622addf6e: Update ubuntu-archive-tools.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rPPABRITNEY363622addf6e
[11:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rPPABRITNEY7973af9bbbd2: Update britney2-ubuntu.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rPPABRITNEY7973af9bbbd2
[11:51] <tsimonq2> It seems like a lot of the builds previously failed on one of the most recent nightlies due to the build environment not being cleaned up correctly.
[11:52] <tsimonq2> Those builds should be retried.
[11:52] <tsimonq2> Also, on the bright side, seems like the Lintian stuff is working.
[11:52] <tsimonq2> SDDM builds are now being marked as unstable.
[11:52] <tsimonq2> Fun.
[12:38] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLIBLXQTPACKAGING683e8fa79f9d: Update symbols from amd64 build logs.] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLIBLXQTPACKAGING683e8fa79f9d
[17:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T131: Version Number in Plymouth?] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T131#3482
[20:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T162: Openbox standalone] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T162
 Hey @lynorian this might be worth looking into: https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/gl3iya/lubuntu_2004_sensors_widget_set_crit_temp_for/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
 Thanks for your really quick turnaround on that task btw
 Looks like the usual builds are still FTBFS, but we now have some "unstable" builds if anyone wants to get some practice cleaning up Lintian errors
 I might actually make Lintian exit 1 on non-critical
 But I feel like a better use of my time might just be making something like a status page that highlights the number of Lintian flags are raised and on which packages
 Qt 5.14.2 landing in proposed, FYI


[00:02] <magtie> Hi   hallo     is anybody alive around here?
[04:53] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:17]  * Kilos got a story to tell
[05:18] <Kilos> tried to configure nvidia-config with nvidia-current installed
[05:19] <Kilos> screen went down to 640x480 again and couldnt get it back up
[05:19] <Kilos> purged nvidia-current--no change
[05:20] <Kilos> installed nvidia prop driver 173 which was the recommended one and it configured and everything back to normal and pc seems a bit faster
[05:22] <Kilos> was about to clean install again like last 2 times i tried to do nvidia-config
[05:22] <Kilos> so , happiness is not needing to
[05:26] <inetpro> pragtig Kilos!
[05:26] <inetpro> goeie more
[05:27] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[05:27] <Kilos> jy is lekker vroeg
[05:27] <Kilos> bed nat gemaak?
[05:37] <Kilos> canonical has a plan. after reading up on the improvements in 12.10, one doesnt want to stay on 12.04 anymore
[05:39] <inetpro> Kilos: there's method in the madness?
[05:40] <Kilos> lol
[05:40] <inetpro> obviously!
[05:40] <Kilos> yeah
[05:40] <Kilos> they want us to grow along with them
[05:41] <Kilos> if it wasnt for 11.04 and 11.10 i would have
[05:52] <Kilos> lo Ludo
[06:02] <Kilos> morning Tonberry
[06:02] <Tonberry> hallo
[06:04] <superfly> hiya Kilos, Tonberry, inetpro
[06:18] <Kilos> what kinda terminals are UXTerm and XTerm?
[06:19] <Kilos> morning SmilyBorg
[06:19] <SmilyBorg> Hey there Kilos
[06:20] <superfly> Kilos: older versions of Gnome Terminal and Konsole
[06:20] <superfly> morning SmilyBorg
[06:20] <SmilyBorg> hey Superfly
[06:21] <Kilos> when i type term in dash it shows them too. does one use them for special purposes ?
[06:21] <Kilos> or are they basically the same thing?
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: basically the same thing
[06:22] <Kilos> ty superfly
[06:23] <superfly> Kilos: I've used them on other desktop environments, but they don't have as many features as Konsole
[06:23] <Kilos> aha ty sir
[06:29] <Kilos> morning magtie
[06:29] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:29] <Kilos> ons praat die taal ook hier
[06:30] <Kilos> nice to see another lady joining
[06:32] <magtie> Hi Kilos & everyone
[06:32] <magtie> I'm back after about 5 years - practically brand new!
[06:33] <superfly> magtie: I was going to say your nick looked somewhat familiar
[06:33] <Kilos> if you need help magtie just state what you need and someone will help you as soon as they get a break
[06:33] <Kilos> wow welcome back then
[06:33] <inetpro> magtie: wb
[06:33]  * inetpro remembers seeing magtie here before
[06:34] <magtie> thanks   I am not yet into stupid questions yet....
[06:34] <Kilos> haha thats my field
[06:36] <magtie> got my irc working last night & was amazed to find no one here - then I realized its 2 in the morning
[06:36] <magtie> 'Normal'  people were sleeping.
[06:37] <Kilos> lol
[06:37] <superfly> That would be me. :-P
[06:37] <SmilyBorg> even some of us not so normal people were sleeping too.    I'm a Bot
[07:50] <Vince-0> Maaz, I kid, I kid
[07:50] <Maaz> Vince-0: Sorry...
[07:50] <Kilos> lol
[08:03] <magtie> Kilos  I am working for the SACAA  keeping license records & producing ATC Licenses on MS Access
[08:04] <magtie> otherwise I'm on leave & playing on Ubuntu
[08:04] <Kilos> where?
[08:04] <Kilos> city wise i me
[08:04] <magtie> Civil Aviation Authority,   Midrand
[08:04] <Kilos> mean
[08:05] <magtie> I live in Pretoria'
[08:05] <Kilos> ah me too. there is a release party this weekend
[08:06] <magtie> Ya in Centurion - am thinking about it
[08:07] <Kilos> us valies are becoming more at last
[08:08] <Kilos> lotsa cape peeps here
[08:09] <magtie> I just looked at the new office files & it looks very good
[08:10] <magtie> anybody her who knows everything about the database?
[08:12] <magtie> looks like I should be able to import Access into LibreOfficeBase
[08:17] <Kerbero> do you write sql queries to do the things you do?
[08:17] <Kerbero> or do you use access's forms
[08:42] <magtie> Kerbero:   I do use queries & macros & code
[08:44] <magtie> At the moment I will only be interested in importing the tables
[08:44] <magtie> I am still trying to simply create a table
[08:46] <Kerbero> i would go with something decent like mysql or postgresql
[08:46] <Kerbero> for mysql you get phpmyadmin which is a nice webfrontend to manage it
[08:46] <Kerbero> but you'll have to code sql queries for the most things
[08:47] <Kerbero> or python/php scripts that will basically function as macros that will run the queries
[08:47] <magtie> Hay,  that might really be better as Access is based on sql
[08:48] <Kerbero> just export all your data to .csv files
[08:48] <Kerbero> and import it to mysql with phpmyadmin
[08:49] <magtie> Kerbero: thanks I will definitely look into it
[08:56] <Squirm> hi
[08:56] <Squirm> again
[08:56] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <drussell> Kilos: the problem is not just for people that download....
[09:26] <drussell> Kilos: wrt space
[09:27] <drussell> Kilos: it's actually about how much bandwidth our mirrors use
[09:27] <Kilos> oh ty drussell was just an idea
[09:27] <drussell> Kilos: each time the size increases, we have major conversations with the mirrors that are distributing the iso files
[09:27] <Kilos> hows things there?
[09:28] <drussell> Kilos: because they're big files, mirrors are happier with smaller files/updates
[09:28] <drussell> Kilos: good thanks :o)
[09:28] <Kilos> and what about on the official dvd's drussell
[09:29] <drussell> Kilos: same deal
[09:29] <Kilos> ah ty for coming back to me
[09:29] <Kilos> see inetpro it works on #ubuntu-za too
[09:29] <Kilos> we got fingers in lotsa pies
[09:31] <Kilos> sometimes even the crash kid has a comment or two
[09:31] <Kilos> just drubin be scarce
[09:31] <Kilos> and corrie is a write off here it seems
[09:32] <Kilos> magespawn, are you lurking or is this your quassel core lurking for you
[09:42] <charlvn> good morning
[09:42] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[09:42]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:46] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[10:10] <Kilos> my magtie all gone
[10:14]  * Kilos cries. maverick drive has crashed
[10:14] <Kilos> weeee
[10:16] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:17] <Symmetria> heh, comes to a point in every consultants life where he has to decide, stay private and independant, or expand the business drastically and throw caution to the wind
[10:17] <Symmetria> ugh, I dont know what to do
[10:17] <Kilos> throw caution to the wind
[10:18] <Kilos> you can alsways get a job again if things dont work out
[10:18] <Kilos> always
[10:19] <Kilos> start worrying when you have to ride around in a 1975 beetle
[10:19] <zeref> hmmm
[10:19] <Kilos> hi zeref
[10:19] <zeref> hi zeref
[10:19] <zeref> o0o0
[10:19] <zeref> hi Kilos
[10:20] <zeref> anybody used pygame
[10:24] <Symmetria> heh kilos oh, the money isnt the issue
[10:24] <Symmetria> its the independance
[10:24] <Symmetria> I have the investment money I need to do this, with a lot of change to spare, but ugh
[10:24] <Kilos> independance is good if you can
[10:25] <Symmetria> the question is, do I really need to make more money :P
[10:25] <Kilos> yes you do if tire prices bother you
[10:25] <Symmetria> because I'm doing pretty damn well for myself right now, and Im asking myself, what am I really chasing expanding, if its money, then it makes no sense, if its building a legacy, that makes more sense
[10:26] <Symmetria> heh kilos, you don't get to have the kinda cash Ive made without worrying about the small things and avoiding paying insane prices for things :p
[10:26] <Kilos> legacy is good. you might have kids to leave it too one day
[10:26] <Kilos> hehe im teasing you man
[10:27] <Symmetria> lol dont curse me saying things like that :p
[10:27] <Symmetria> kids would really screw up my life
[10:27] <Kilos> at the moment yes but later
[10:28] <Kilos> when its time to die and theres no one to leave anything to you will wonder what was is all about
[10:28] <Kilos> rather die happy
[10:28] <Kilos> kids are a pain until you have your own. ask the fly and pro
[10:29] <Symmetria> heh, I gotta find someone worthy of having kids with first :p
[10:29] <Kilos> then they a bigger pain till you my age then you wish you had more and spent more time with them
[10:30] <Kilos> i think expand but go it gradually
[10:30] <Kilos> or buy out other companies
[10:38] <Symmetria> kilos well, thats part of what Im thinking
[10:38] <Symmetria> thinking about buying out the consultancy/networking division of another company
[10:38] <Symmetria> which would help eliminate part of my competition, give me more staff members and get my hands on their client base
[10:38] <Kilos> good just remember then theres more responsibility
[10:39] <Symmetria> heh yes of course, its not something I'd do likely anyway, because a buyout like that costs *huge* amounts of money
[10:39] <Kilos> and sometimes peeps that just attend for the pay at month end
[10:39] <Symmetria> and I'd have to leverage the buyout
[10:39] <Symmetria> heh, oh, I'd be very careful who I bought, it would be someone who had staff I knew I could trust
[10:39] <Kilos> at the moment you only got yourself to trust
[10:40] <Kilos> dont rush into anything but give it a good gander from all angles
[10:40] <Kilos> might be worthwhile
[11:08] <Symmetria> hrm, to buy a 60" tv or not :p
[11:17] <charlvn> Symmetria: you remind me of this fellow: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/200/acb.jpg :)
[11:27] <Symmetria> heh
[11:27] <Symmetria> Im thinking actually a 51" samsung e8000
[11:27] <Symmetria> looks nice
[11:48] <Kilos> you havent got a tv?
[11:49] <Kilos> hi charlvn
[12:04] <Kilos> wbb
[13:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:31]  * inetpro wonders what KilosM and magtie have in common
[13:31] <KilosM> wat hmmm jy boetie
[13:31] <KilosM> hehe
[13:32] <inetpro> both joining at the same time
[13:32] <inetpro> wb KilosM, magtie
[13:32] <KilosM> ty goosie
[13:32] <KilosM> i dunno what was wrong with my maverick drive
[13:32] <KilosM> put in old pc and it boots fine
[13:32] <inetpro> KilosM: check the logs
[13:33] <inetpro> /var/log/syslog
[13:33] <KilosM> on other pc the bios said not bootdrive found
[13:34] <KilosM> sudo: /var/log/syslog: command not found
[13:35] <KilosM> maybe my ide cables getting tired of in and aout all the time
[13:35] <nlsthzn> bios settings correct?
[13:36] <KilosM> it worked yesterday till the power cut nlsthzn hi there
[13:36] <KilosM> wouldnt boot this morning
[13:36] <KilosM> please install boot media
[13:36] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle KilosM ... odd, something got hurt, PC boots from another drive?
[13:36] <KilosM> weird
[13:37] <KilosM> yeah i have 12.01 on a 6g drive as well here
[13:37] <KilosM> there i mean
[13:37] <KilosM> maybe drive and cable pulling an apartheid stunt on me
[13:40] <KilosM> im very happy though. got a 40g partition on here that has everything saved on it
[13:45]  * KilosM loves maverick
[13:45] <KilosM> breaking up is hard to do
[14:19] <inetpro> KilosM: since when did you learn about a log file being a command?
[14:20] <KilosM> thats what it told me man
[14:20] <inetpro> ai
[14:20] <KilosM> said i have permission so ran with sudo
[14:20] <inetpro> you look at a log file with less
[14:20] <inetpro> less /var/log/syslog
[14:20] <KilosM> i ran it as you gave it and it said i dont have permission
[14:21] <inetpro> I was just to lazy to give that to you like that
[14:21] <KilosM> oh less
[14:21] <KilosM> eish
[14:21] <KilosM> ou man
[14:21] <KilosM> how must i smell that
[14:21] <inetpro> or
[14:21] <inetpro> tail -100 /var/log/syslog
[14:21] <inetpro> to see the last 100 lines
[14:21] <KilosM> oh ya i member tail
[14:22] <inetpro> or head to view the top
[14:23] <KilosM> how can it show that info if the bios couldnt see the drive
[14:23] <KilosM> ?
[14:25] <inetpro> KilosM: no it won't
[14:26] <inetpro> but maybe it will give a clue from prior sessions
[14:26] <KilosM> ai
[14:26] <KilosM> whew
[14:26] <inetpro> bios is outside the control of the OS
[14:26] <KilosM> the drive is working mine on this pc
[14:26] <KilosM> like nothing ever happened
[14:26] <KilosM> will invetigate the ide cable
[14:27] <KilosM> investigate as well
[14:29] <KilosM> maybe just maybe ill install 12.04 but not delete home partition
[14:32] <nlsthzn> 12.04 is good
[14:32]  * nlsthzn normally opens all files to view in nano... just in case editing my be needed :p
[14:33]  * nlsthzn recently learned about the -w option that apparently will stop config files from being nuked using nano...
[14:35] <KilosM> lol
[14:43] <nlsthzn> :) I also learned about the different ways of removing software using apt-get... so now I have re-installed gwibber and I don't have to set it up again... Thanks to Ubuntu Unleashed 12.04 edition :p
[14:52] <bakuman> O_O
[14:56] <charlvn> phew hectic day
[14:56] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[14:56]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[14:57] <charlvn> need my caffiene fix!
[15:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[15:01] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[15:01] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[15:01] <charlvn> how's it going with the twitter api modifications to ibid?
[15:05] <inetpro> charlvn: hi
[15:06] <charlvn> hi inetpro
[15:06]  * inetpro thought that charlvn would build the fix for ibid
[15:06] <charlvn> lol
[15:06] <charlvn> how did i automatically volunteer :)
[15:06] <charlvn> quite frankly, i probably would have done it, if i still used twitter ;)
[15:06] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:06] <charlvn> stopped using twitter entirely about 18 months ago after gradually tiring of it
[15:08] <charlvn> that set aside, i am genuinely looking for a winter project to work on
[15:08] <charlvn> although, i would be insistent that it is completely based on open source / standards-based technologies
[15:10] <inetpro> charlvn: what's a winter project? Does that mean like after hours?
[15:10] <charlvn> yeah an open source project to work on in my free time
[15:10] <charlvn> in europe it's quite cold in the winter so we don't go out much :)
[15:10]  * superfly does that all the time
[15:11] <charlvn> most of the good hacking happens in the winter, like the chaos communication congress in hamburg
[15:12] <charlvn> the tickets are not cheap though, 100 to 120 euro per person :/
[15:13] <inetpro> superfly has a permanent winter project
[15:14] <charlvn> children are a long term, high investment project :)
[15:14] <charlvn> *having children is
[15:15] <charlvn> but it pays off!
[15:21] <charlvn> home time, bbl
[15:22] <inetpro> superfly: I don't think he got that
[15:23] <superfly> inetpro: not at all.
[15:23] <superfly> inetpro: not unexpected
[15:23] <inetpro> :-)
[15:25] <superfly> i've found that people who think they are awesome struggle to comprehend that there are people out there that are even more awesome
[15:26] <inetpro> lol
[15:26] <KilosM> ha ha ha
[15:26] <superfly> disclaimer: i am not awesome, so I could be wrong.
[15:27] <inetpro> superfly: you are way to humble to be awesome
[15:28] <superfly> inetpro: thank you (I think)
[15:29] <superfly> phew, my station next, can't wait to get off this hot train
[15:30]  * inetpro not looking forward to another evening without power at home
[15:31] <KilosM> ai wassup inetpro
[15:31] <inetpro> KilosM: fire supply damaged 132kv conductor near Klerksoord, wherever that may be
[15:31] <KilosM> wheres the power
[15:31] <KilosM> far from you
[15:31] <inetpro> I noticed a few dips at 14:25
[15:32] <KilosM> near jowies
[15:32] <inetpro> and wife called shortly after
[15:32] <KilosM> eish
[15:32] <KilosM> charge you fones battery before you go home
[15:33] <inetpro> phone is fine for now, didn't use it much today
[15:36] <inetpro> tweet by CityTshwane at 4:42: It is estimated that the supply will be stored by midnight.
[15:36] <KilosM> sjoe
[15:36] <KilosM> they tweet too
[15:37] <inetpro> yep, they starting to wake up
[15:37] <inetpro> and then... ... Bon Accord line; Pretoria North; Wolmer; SP line; Theresa Park; Tileba & parts of BVN & BVS lines.
[15:37] <KilosM> ai
[15:38]  * inetpro would have tweeted if I had battery power on me phone on Saturday
[15:41] <Symmetria> lol wtf
[15:41] <Symmetria> tv's have come a LONG way since the days of old crt screens
[15:41] <Symmetria> I turned on my new tv, the first thing it did was get a DHCP address off the wireless and start downloading a firmware update
[15:41] <Symmetria> :p
[15:43] <inetpro> Symmetria: nice! What did you get?
[15:44] <Symmetria> samsung E8000
[15:45] <inetpro> what's that, series 5?
[15:49] <Symmetria> no, its a series 8
[15:49] <Symmetria> their top of the line
[15:55] <inetpro> Symmetria: price?
[15:58] <Symmetria> heh, you dont wanna know :p
[16:04] <drubin> KilosM: ;)
[16:04] <KilosM> hi drubin hows things
[16:04] <drubin> Good and you?
[16:05] <KilosM> good ty
[16:05] <KilosM> why you neglect us so
[16:06] <drubin> justy busy i guess
[16:06] <drubin> things change...
[16:06] <KilosM> whew
[16:15] <superfly> hiya drubin!
[16:17] <inetpro> wb drubin
[16:21] <KilosM> eish gone again
[16:22] <drubin> superfly: :) thanks
[16:23] <drubin> inetpro: I never went any where
[16:23] <inetpro> lol
[16:23] <inetpro> KilosM: ^^
[16:23] <KilosM> oh you grayed out so looks like you away
[16:24] <KilosM> you cheating
[16:54] <Squirm> good evening
[17:24] <charlvn> good evening
[17:24] <charlvn> just saw a terrible prank: http://youtu.be/NeXMxuNNlE8
[17:47] <KilosM> hiya charly
[18:00] <Hodgestar> Does anyone here actually use Unity?
[18:00] <Hodgestar> I mean like on a daily basis?
[18:02] <Hodgestar> There are *so* many rendering bugs.
[18:02] <Hodgestar> Let me try take a screenshot.
[18:05] <Hodgestar> tumbleweed: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=k67pe&s=6 (see top left).
[18:06] <KilosM> im using it and kde Hodgestar
[18:06] <KilosM> oh 12.10
[18:06] <KilosM> not yet
[18:06] <charlvn> hi KilosM
[18:07] <Hodgestar> I've yet to encounter a version of Unity that doesn't die and crash and screw up the screen on a regular basis. :)
[18:07] <Hodgestar> Maybe it's just me. :)
[18:07] <charlvn> Hodgestar: i use a VM at work which at this point is running only unity
[18:07] <charlvn> i get a few problems but not that many in 12.10
[18:07] <Hodgestar> VM hardly counts (unless you actually use the VM UI constantly, which seems like a weird thing to do).
[18:07] <charlvn> but previously i had a lot of problems, i still sometimes get bad performance though
[18:07] <KilosM> lol
[18:08] <Hodgestar> I'm on 12.10.
[18:08] <tumbleweed> Hodgestar: file a bug
[18:08] <KilosM> my 12.04 is running well
[18:08] <charlvn> Hodgestar: i use a VM a large portion of the day so i think it very much counts
[18:08] <Hodgestar> tumbleweed: I don't have time to file and track this many bugs.
[18:08] <charlvn> as a desktop i mean, full gui mode
[18:08] <tumbleweed> Hodgestar: :)
[18:08] <Hodgestar> tumbleweed: I need to file, like, 30.
[18:08] <tumbleweed> good that you aren't a fire-and-forget bug-report. I fear that I am
[18:09] <tumbleweed> *bug-reporter
[18:09] <Hodgestar> Well, I would sort of like them to go somewhere. :)
[18:09] <Hodgestar> Also, I'm not really sure where in the rendering chain to file the bug against.
[18:09] <tumbleweed> file against unity, they'll reassign as appropriate
[18:09] <Hodgestar> Although having the "Type your command" window stuck permanently over everything seems likely to be unity itself. :)
[18:10] <charlvn> it's probably better to file too many reports than not to file any reports at all, if nobody files reports then the issues don't get fixed
[18:10] <charlvn> as a developer myself i would rather get too many reports than too little
[18:10] <charlvn> problem is, most people don't take the time to report issues
[18:11] <tumbleweed> on the other hand, hundreds of open reports, where the reporter has long since vanished and doesn't use the app any more, suck
[18:11] <tumbleweed> but yes, err on the side of filing
[18:11] <charlvn> that is also true, but imho, still the lesser of two evils
[18:11] <charlvn> and besides, issues are easy enough to close if they can't be reproduced
[18:11] <tumbleweed> Hodgestar: there's certanily nothing I can do, with respect to embarrassing people / whatever, without a bug number
[18:11] <tumbleweed> charlvn: easy enough, but practically, one doesn't like to
[18:12]  * Hodgestar tries Gnome shell.
[18:12] <charlvn> tumbleweed: maybe i'm just too easy on these things but if i can't reproduce a bug and i don't get replies from the reporter i close bugs quite easily
[18:12] <Hodgestar> Bug reports are only really useful if there are few existing bug reports or if they pin point the problem.
[18:13] <Hodgestar> Piles of bug reports saying "something broken and I'm not quite sure what" aren't particularly useful.
[18:13] <charlvn> that's true but if you don't even know there is a problem you can't go to search for them either
[18:13] <Hodgestar> Anyway, I can't really wait 3 months. :)
[18:13] <charlvn> well not like there is any shortage of desktop environments for linux :)
[18:14] <Hodgestar> Hehe. Yes.
[18:15] <Hodgestar> Although cinnamon broke on me too.
[18:15] <charlvn> haven't used it for too long, but i find gnome3 to be rather buggy too
[18:15] <charlvn> i constantly get error messages for various random things i don't understand
[18:15] <Symmetria> omfg
[18:15] <Symmetria> has anyone actually used a 3d large screen tv
[18:16] <Symmetria> with 3d glasses
[18:16] <Hodgestar> I have Awesome as a fallback but I'm trying to get out of the miminum-functionality window manager closet.
[18:16] <charlvn> kde4 seems to have stabilised a lot though
[18:16] <Hodgestar> Symmetria: Yes. It was okay. :)
[18:16] <Symmetria> Hodgestar thats a bit... it screws with your head :P
[18:16] <Symmetria> I was testing it with a bluray
[18:16] <Symmetria> of ice age
[18:16] <Symmetria> heh on my new toy :p
[18:16] <Hodgestar> charlvn: I haven't tried the kde window manager recently.
[18:16] <Symmetria> also tested putting the tv into 2d -> 3d conversion mode
[18:17] <Symmetria> and lol, the football looks kinda cool
[18:17] <Symmetria> but your brain takes a while to get used to it
[18:17] <Hodgestar> Back shortly.
[18:18] <charlvn> yeah, personally i am not a big fan of 3d, i have seen a bunch of 3d movies in the theater but never on a tv
[18:18] <charlvn> i will just stick to 2d for now :)
[18:18] <Symmetria> charlvn lol, I just had to test it :P
[18:18] <Symmetria> Im thinking 3D porn would be interesting hahahahahah
[18:19] <charlvn> oh no :D
[18:19] <charlvn> not even going there
[18:19] <Symmetria> they gave me 3 free 3d blurays with my tv
[18:19] <Symmetria> ice age thor and captain america
[18:20] <charlvn> ooh, captain america... :D
[18:20] <charlvn> the former two i rather liked but the last i am not so sure about ;)
[18:20] <charlvn> too much "america" in that film for me :D
[18:26] <smileE17> hi :)
[18:29]  * inetpro back online
[18:29] <inetpro> good evening
[18:29] <smileE17> good evening :p
[18:30] <smileE17> i'm leaving
[18:30] <smileE17> good night
[18:30] <smileE17> :)
[18:30] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:30] <inetpro> good night smileE17
[18:31] <smileE17> bye :)
[18:31] <smileE17> thanks
[18:33] <Hodgestar> Back in Gnome Shell.
[18:34] <KilosM> power on inetpro
[18:34] <KilosM> the news said should be done by midnight
[18:38] <inetpro> KilosM: yes power is up again
[18:38] <KilosM> yay
[18:38] <KilosM> just in time for me to say night
[18:39] <KilosM> help Hodgestar hes having big probs with unity
[18:39] <KilosM> night guys. sleep tight
[18:39] <KilosM> see ya morrow
[18:40] <inetpro> KilosM: sleep well
[18:40] <KilosM> \ty you too
[18:44] <Symmetria> heh, sweet, tv plays youtube just fine
[18:45] <Symmetria> and they have angry birds on my tv!!!!
[18:52] <charlvn> lol
[18:54] <Symmetria> heh, even more of a way to screw with your mind
[18:54] <Symmetria> take world of warcraft, stick it on the tv, tell the tv to make 2d into 3d
[18:54] <Symmetria> and play it with 3d glasses
[18:54] <Symmetria> ..........
[18:54] <Symmetria> like, wow
[19:13] <Hodgestar> Gnome Shell is surprisingly good so far.
[19:25] <Kilos> inetpro, where is the catch
[19:25] <Kilos> https://www.vodacom.mobi/mobile/main/lte
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: with?
[19:25] <Kilos> sister just came to me with that link on her fone
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: there's only a very few towers in JHB with LTE at this stage
[19:26] <Kilos> oh ok ty
[19:26] <inetpro> to early to go LTE
[19:26] <Kilos> why the fools advertise it country wide then
[19:26] <Kilos> grrr
[19:27] <inetpro> because they want your money
[19:27] <Kilos> haha
[19:27] <Kilos> swines
[19:28] <Kilos> and i got a jippoed foreign alcatel mode anyway
[19:28] <Kilos> grrr
[19:28] <inetpro> on the one hand it's a good thing that they're pushing it, but I think a lot of peeps will be very disappointed when they realise they can not use it
[19:29] <Kilos> yeah
[19:29] <inetpro> but our data pricing is way to high anyway
[19:29] <inetpro> and LTE will make things worse
[19:29] <Kilos> put my maverick back in nuvo's p4 and it says boot failure now
[19:29] <inetpro> the faster the connection the faster the money flows outa your pocket
[19:29] <Kilos> grrr
[19:30] <Kilos> insert system disk and hit enter
[19:30] <inetpro> hmm... sounds like something other than the disk
[19:31] <inetpro> how about connector cables?
[19:31] <charlvn> nn all
[19:31] <inetpro> or motherboard
[19:31] <Kilos> im using the same one that i was on just noe with old pc
[19:31] <Kilos> ouch dont say mb
[19:32] <Kilos> gonna try sister 20g maverick there
[19:32] <inetpro> or the bios even
[19:38] <Kilos> boots perfect from her drive
[19:41] <Kilos> now i can boot into my maverick as the second drive
[19:41] <Kilos> grrr
[19:42] <Kilos> these things are sent to test us
[19:42] <Kilos> now ill be able to sleep at least
[19:42] <Kilos> sleep tight guys
[19:42] <Kilos> ty for the moral support
[20:29] <Symmetria> heh man the number of devices that use ip addresses in an average house seems to grow every day
[20:30] <Symmetria> I was just counting and its gone a long way from the pc and the router
[20:30] <Symmetria> I mean, my tv, my blu-ray player, my amplifier, my phone, my ipad, 2 ipads belonging to others in the house, 2 more phones as well, the tv upstairs
[20:31] <Symmetria> heh, add the wifi network and the pcs etc, Im using like, 22 ips
[21:38] <Squirm> Symmetria: you're a special case though :P


[00:40] <mayli> ...
[06:27]  * skraito brb
[07:33] <hacker_> exit
[07:33] <hacker_> lhello
[07:33] <hacker_> hello whoami
[07:33] <hacker_> exit
[17:24] <lko> halo


[14:38] <DedicatedTestQA> Hello.. I would like to volunteer some testing position
[22:30] <charlie-tca> hm, 6 more hours to sync the images today. And I didn't even start until 14:30 UTC


[14:53] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: If I wanted to read/duplicate/generate/germinate the list of packages comprising a "minimal" installation (as understood by the Ubuntu Desktop Installer), then where would I look? I found you mentioned in `man 1 germinate` which is why I'm pinging you. Sorry in advance.
[14:54] <realtime-neil> Also, germinate plays with assets that live on launchpad, so, I'm totally on topic, probably.


[01:27] <shauno> does 'nano' have a convenient way to delete whole lines?
[08:24] <jacobw> morning
[08:33] <kvarley> I'm at a grub> prompt
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> IRCing from grub? Wow :)
[08:38] <kvarley> Heh
[08:38] <kvarley> Is there any way I can boot a partition from this prompt?
[08:38] <kvarley> Nvm, found a massive guide on the forums
[08:49] <kvarley> Never knew how much grub did until now
[08:49] <kvarley> Managed to boot from grub>, interesting times
[09:18] <madpup> darn xchat just crashed, is this the correct channel to ask questons?
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> madpup: sure, if we don't know the answer we might even tell you a better place to look ;)
[09:20] <madpup> Cheers Marti, btw how do you red-text?
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> red-text?
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> probably because I mentioned your name
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> madpup: like this
[09:20] <madpup> yep
[09:20] <madpup> oh its just the client highlighting chat
[09:21] <madpup> Can i use Bubmlebee but with nouveau?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> what's bumblebee?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> ah! the two-graphics-chips laptop stuff?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee suggests it's possible
[09:29] <madpup> cool will read might have to compile for source as the bumblebee package tries to draw in nvidia-current as a dep
[10:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:26] <jacobw> ola brobostigon
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[10:38] <jacobw> how is it going?
[10:40] <brobostigon> jacobw: not bad, alittle on the cool side, and you?
[11:07] <jacobw> not so bad either :)
[11:08] <brobostigon> :)
[11:41] <redtape-renegade> Morning All  .. is there Anything today worth living for ??
[11:48] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[12:21] <bigcalm> Anybody noticed Thunderbird not remembering its window size or location upon restart?
[12:44] <redtape-renegade> yep.
[14:31]  * penguin42 drops a pin
[14:33]  * dwatkins hands round peanut butter cookies
[14:35] <penguin42> ooh
[15:25] <penguin42> popey: Do you have access to a Panda board?
[15:33] <popey> penguin42: no
[15:33] <penguin42> popey: Oh well, was just thinking they're hardware wise pretty much identical to that tablet
[15:38] <popey> yeah, it is
[15:54] <popey> i spy ali1234 handywork http://www.iloveubuntu.net/ubuntu-touch-ported-samsung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000-builds-available-download
[15:55] <penguin42> I assume it's mostly a matter of wrangling the kernel/boot process and binary blobs and taking the same user space?
[15:56] <popey> there's a porting guide..
[15:57] <popey> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[15:57] <popey> ali1234: did detail a bit about what he did in his G+ post and gave more detail elsewhere
[16:02] <penguin42> oh I see, it's built the other way than what I expected, but yeh fair enough
[16:03] <penguin42> does anyone know on Firefox for Android whether it's possible to disable cookies on a per-site basis?
[16:04]  * penguin42 wants to disable Cookies for EETimes that's started to require sign in when you get past the 2nd page of viewing; but stopping cookies/javascript fixes that - but I need cookies for other stuff
[16:18] <dwatkins> penguin42: how about using a dedicated browser such as Prism for this?
[16:18] <penguin42> dwatkins: What's prism?
[16:18] <dwatkins> I'm not sure, but I suspect you can change the cookie behaviour just for the one site in it.
[16:19] <penguin42> dwatkins: I know I can do it on desktop firefox
[16:19] <dwatkins> It allows you to have a separate instance of a browser just for a particular URL and load it like an application, e.g. pointed at gmail.
[16:19] <dwatkins> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Prism penguin42
[16:19] <penguin42> thanks
[16:20] <penguin42> I'd prefer it to look like a normal browser because I want Google Reader to pick it up
[16:20] <dwatkins> hope it helps
[16:20] <penguin42> thanks
[16:20] <penguin42> interesting
[16:20] <dwatkins> You can enable the address bar, not sure about google reader integration.
[18:30] <Azelphur> Is there any browser app for Ubuntu that produces a frameless browser with no buttons?
[18:30] <penguin42> can you do that with xulrunner?
[18:31] <Azelphur> dunno what that is
[18:31] <mgdm> does hitting F11 in Chrome or whatever count?
[18:31] <penguin42> oh, no xulrunner packages any more
[18:32] <mgdm> IIRC, Firefox has a switch to make it do XULRunner stuff
[18:32] <Azelphur> *shrug* will just do it with python and qt4, tis a quick thing
[18:51] <Azelphur> spoke to an OUYA dev today at geek 2013
[18:52] <Azelphur> apparently it's all exactly the same code, and when they say that some games won't work on android tablets, they mean that they may not have touch screen support.
[18:52] <Azelphur> so in theory everything should work if you hook up a sixaxis.
[19:39] <ali1234> wow i got my first spam comment on g+
[19:39] <ali1234> and g+ removed it before i even saw it
[19:40] <ali1234> Azelphur: all exactly the same code as what?
[19:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: android
[19:41] <Azelphur> as in like, android tablets/phones
[19:41] <ali1234> oh
[19:41] <ali1234> well that's to be expected really
[19:42] <ali1234> the only things that could be incompatible are touchscreen
[19:42] <ali1234> if ouya has same CPU
[19:43] <ali1234> which it does
[19:44] <Azelphur> yea
[20:08] <diplo> Evening all
[20:13] <mungbean> evening
[20:16] <diplo> Anyone wrote android app on 12.04 ?
[20:21] <mgdm> I did
[20:22] <diplo> Any issues installing/setting up ?
[20:22] <diplo> just d/ling ADT bundle now
[20:27] <mgdm>  not that I recall, other than Eclipse being Eclipse
[20:27] <diplo> heh, thats the bit im not looking forward to
[20:27] <diplo> :)
[20:33] <redtape-renegade> Why do my teeth feel really clean tonite ?? I only had a doner kebab ...  ??
[20:34] <redtape-renegade> must be the    horse !
[20:35] <jacobw> horse is yummy
[20:35] <jacobw> more europe, more horse
[20:42] <ali1234> diplo: necessitas is really easy to use, if you don't mind the Qt runtime install
[20:42] <ali1234> no eclipse needed, just use Qt creator
[20:44] <diplo> Not heard of it, will take a look now ali1234 thanks
[21:28] <Laney> is sriracha as good as They™ say?
[21:29] <popey> its very nice
[21:29] <popey> better than tabasco
[21:30] <AlanBell> it is great
[21:30] <popey> we had eggy bread for tea, which I smothered in sriracha
[21:30] <AlanBell> I had eggs mayo for lunch with loads of it
[21:30] <AlanBell> and spag bol for dinner, with loads of it
[21:30]  * Laney primes some
[21:31] <popey> we went to a belated birthday & xmas do yesterday. I got a bottle of Daves Insanity sauce and a nice retro Casio watch for xmas \o/
[21:32] <popey>  both were on my amz wishlist
[21:55] <Myrtti> Laney: it's less acidic, so it doesn't effectively ruin the taste with vinegar
[22:04] <Azelphur> so, today I played on an OUYA
[22:04] <Azelphur> it was cool.
[22:04] <Azelphur> one of the dev ones with the transparent casing
[22:12] <popey> what games?
[22:13] <Azelphur> fist of awesome
[22:13] <Azelphur> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/551886203/fist-of-awesome
[22:13] <Azelphur> I met the guy in the video
[22:16] <Azelphur> at his stand at geek 2013, https://www.dropbox.com/s/gsf9wonowkwj3gh/2013-02-24%2010.28.18.jpg :P
[22:17] <popey> ☹ no linux version
[22:17] <Azelphur> indeed :(
[22:17] <popey> did you mention this to him? :
[22:18] <Azelphur> I didn't realise there was no Linux version, I actually thought it was OUYA/android only until I read the kickstarter page
[22:19] <popey> ah
[22:19] <Azelphur> he did however say one interesting thing, apparently all OUYA games will run on other devices, despite what the FAQ says
[22:19] <Azelphur> the only reason why not is because of the lack of a physical controller
[22:19] <Azelphur> he said that a sixaxis should work no problem
[22:20] <popey> did he mention what toolkit/engine he's using?
[22:20] <Azelphur> no, I know it's written in C++ though
[22:21] <popey> oh, it says
[22:21] <popey> http://www.cocos2d-x.org/
[22:21] <popey> that
[22:21] <Azelphur> cool
[22:22] <Azelphur> this makes me tempted to do some ouya work in the future perhaps though
[22:22] <popey> https://twitter.com/nicollhunt/status/305737885401890816
[22:22] <Azelphur> since it's very android compatible, and I like python, this could be a good combination
[22:22] <Azelphur> ah cool :)
[22:27] <Azelphur> but yea, I definitely expect the geek cons to put margate on the map in future :P
[22:27] <Azelphur> tis pretty cool
[22:27] <popey> yeah
[22:27] <Azelphur> popey: did you see that photo I took of the main gaming area?
[22:28] <Azelphur> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aweozfzwfr2qwqo/5PWdlBFFrO#f:2013-02-23%2011.28.41.jpg
[22:28] <Azelphur> that's rows upon rows of everything from arcade machines and binatones to xboxes running halo
[22:29] <Azelphur> my friend was a steward for the event so he snuck me up onto the balcony to take that photo :P
[22:29] <diplo> Didn't know you could do the browse thing with dropbox, like that
[22:29] <Azelphur> diplo: yea, just put the photos in a folder in the Photos directory
[22:29] <diplo> Looks like an interesting event Azelphur, hadn't heard about it
[22:30] <diplo> ah right, will give that a go!
[22:30] <Azelphur> yea, it miiiight run again in the summer, if not next year
[22:31] <Azelphur> basically my life for the past two days has been, get up at 9am in the morning, get ready, leave at 9:45 to arrive for opening at 10am, leave at 5pm when they shut for an hour to do a shuffle and grab a KFC, go back in at 6pm till 11pm, go home, sleep, rinse and repeat.
[22:31] <Azelphur> xD
[22:32] <diplo> nice
[22:35] <Azelphur> http://eventifier.co/event/geek2013 has a lot of good photos on it
[22:36] <popey> heh
[22:36] <popey> nice
[22:47] <bigcalm> Oh my. A BBC Master 128K. I dreamed of having one over my BBC Model B (32K) and B+ (64K I think).
[22:48] <bigcalm> So many young people in those photos :S


[15:37] <jrwren> still no 21.04 in https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[15:59] <cmaloney> heh


 Bug report was filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1715113
[10:02] <th1_> I love Ubuntu MATE it's really the best :)
[10:06] <ouroumov> Thanks th1_
[11:44] <rdalton> can I run gnome 3 on ubuntu-mate
[11:47] <vlt> rdalton: What does "run" mean here?
[11:51] <ali1234> you can install it and you can then choose between mate and gnome on the login screen
[11:54] <rdalton> ok thanks getting back into Linux and want to try a few thing out
[14:09] <raul_> Which compositor do you use?
[18:25] <magkneetoe> hey I have MATE but I like the way it is easier for me to access and find apps in GNOME or UNITY with the search feature and pop up box. Any suggestion on how to get at least a search feature? or add the tab-like interface that GNOME/UNITY have?
[18:35] <sixwheeledbeast> I haven't really played with Gnome3 or Unity but you can have those style layouts in MATE if you require. Does Alt+F2 or Places > Mate Search Tool meet your search requirements?
[18:37] <magkneetoe> sixwheeledbeast, thanks I like this alternative]
[18:37] <magkneetoe> alt f2
[18:50] <magkneetoe> mate tweak allows launcher enabling
[18:52] <vkareh> @magkneetoe: If you use the Advanced MATE Menu or Brisk Menu, you get the same feature, using the Super (or Windows) key
[18:59] <magkneetoe> vkareh, thanks. Also Pantheon panel is cool for this feature. Thanks you guys
[21:11] <reflexiv> hi
[22:42] <flaccid_bean> Hi, how can I determine what version of gnome-disks is used on ubuntu-mate 160.04. It's a terrible application!
[22:43] <tsimonq2> !info gnome-disks
[22:43] <tsimonq2> !info gnome-disks xenial
[22:43] <tsimonq2> grr
[22:44] <tsimonq2> !info gnome-disk-utility xenial
[22:44] <tsimonq2> flaccid_bean: ^^^^
[22:46] <flaccid_bean> It's on all of my machines and I don't recall ever installing it.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> flaccid_bean: That's because Ubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, Ubuntu GNOME, Lubuntu, and Ubuntu Kylin pull it in.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> By defauly.
[22:47] <flaccid_bean> The basic problems with it are: 1. Terrible user interface and it is pretty unreliable at formatting USB stiks.
[22:47] <tsimonq2> s/defauly/default/
[22:48] <flaccid_bean> How can I determine what version of gnome-disks is installed?
[22:49] <tsimonq2> flaccid_bean: apt show gnome-disk-utility
[22:50] <flaccid_bean> Thanks that worked. I was trying to do it using gnome-disks from the command-line.


[01:26] <bkerensa> slangasek: I bcc'ed you to a thread on mailing list were discussing crediting Debian in a brochure and thought your feedback might be helpful
[01:38] <slangasek> bkerensa: I abstain ;)
[01:38] <bkerensa> k
[17:18] <bkerensa> morning nathwill
[18:07] <bkerensa> holy smokes what were they thinking
[18:07] <bkerensa> >.<
[18:07] <bkerensa> I just got quoted $427 for trifold printing
[18:23] <nathwill> morning bkerensa
[18:23] <nathwill> and yep
[18:23] <nathwill> how many is that for?
[18:23] <bkerensa> 50
[18:23] <bkerensa> =/
[18:23] <nathwill> glossies/
[18:23] <nathwill> ?
[18:23] <bkerensa> Kinkos wants $601 for 500
[18:23] <bkerensa> yes
[18:23] <bkerensa> but dropping it to horrible paper doesnt change cost by much
[18:24] <nathwill> oh really?
[18:24] <bkerensa> its the color
[18:24] <bkerensa> >.<
[18:24] <nathwill> that's surprising, i'd've thought the glossies would be way more
[18:24] <bkerensa> http://www.vistaprint.com/brochures.aspx?txi=185&xnid=VisitorHomePage_Brochures_Advertising+%26+Marketing_Business&xnav=TeaserItem
[18:24] <orebuntu> bkerensa's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/6nlcdlu
[18:24] <bkerensa> I think thats the best deal I found so far
[18:25] <bkerensa> but I dont think I can get them in time with Vistaprint unless I have it rushed at which point I lose the savings
[18:34] <nathwill> in time?
[18:34] <nathwill> you mean for OSCON?
[18:35] <bkerensa> yes
[18:35] <nathwill> gotcha
[18:35] <nathwill> well...
[18:35] <bkerensa> nathwill: I just sent an e-mail out
[18:35] <nathwill> ok
[18:35] <bkerensa> if anyone knows a local place that might give us a discount or not gouge my pockets that would be great :D
[18:37] <nathwill> wish i did... :/
[18:39] <bkerensa> nathwill: what you mean you dont have any pals that print brochures for a living :)
[18:39] <bkerensa> nathwill: I also have to find orange candy :D
[18:48] <bkerensa> nathwill: I think next year I wanna go to Google I/O
[18:49] <bkerensa> =/
[18:49] <bkerensa> they gave away tablets and phones to every attendee
[18:49] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea, you kinda pay for it though
[18:50] <tgm4883> the tickets were $900
[18:50] <tgm4883> which is the nexus phone, nexus q, and nexus 7 add up to $900
[18:50] <bkerensa> tgm4883: if you consider the prices of the tablets plus the sessions and food you really dont pay too much
[18:51] <tgm4883> sessions - meh, They are available online
[18:51] <bkerensa> I mean they give away like $600-700 in hardware that you could turn around and sell on ebay for many times
[18:51] <bkerensa> :P
[18:51] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you still need a place to stay
[18:51] <tgm4883> plus travel
[18:51] <tgm4883> if you have a company sending you, probably worth it.
[18:52] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I was just offered a couch  one block away
[18:52] <bkerensa> :P
[18:52] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I can get travel sponsored likely :)
[18:52] <tgm4883> Then you should go, if you can get a ticket
[18:52] <bkerensa> yeah
[18:52] <bkerensa> thats the hard part
[18:52] <bkerensa> :D
[18:53] <tgm4883> possibly
[18:53] <bkerensa> they sold out in 20 mins this year
[18:53] <bkerensa> :D
[18:53] <tgm4883> 45 minutes
[18:53] <tgm4883> but I know someone who didn't go this year that had the ability to get his ticket in advance
[18:53] <tgm4883> before the sale
[18:53] <tgm4883> he would have sold it to you ;)
[18:54] <tgm4883> IDK how they hand those out though, he didn't go this year, so he probably won't get that advanced access next year
[19:59] <cy1> I print stuff out on a epson c55 inkjet in my room
[19:59] <cy1> and it's currently broken
[20:00] <cy1> because fucking apple
[20:01] <cy1> anyone who can figure out why CUPS stopped working gets 50 free printouts easy.
[20:02] <cy1> I've scoured the kernel config, and it finds the printer... but CUPS say no found :/
[20:03] <cy1> same printer worked not a couple months ago.
[20:38] <nathwill> burn them all
[22:18] <kees> cy1: check and see if it magically disabled the printer. I had this happen a few times. just needed to re-check 'enabled'. so stupid :P
[22:21] <emme> anyone feel like helping me? just installed 12.04 and it's not detecting my external monitor..
[22:36] <bkerensa> bdmurray: you getting roped into this hangout on air thing too? =/
[22:36] <bkerensa> nathwill: how goes your distro-hopping
[22:37] <bdmurray> bkerensa: yeah can you tell me more about it?
[22:37] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I have no idea about it... someone is blasting me in PM asking when I can make it
[22:38] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I assume its just a evangelism effort
[22:38] <bkerensa> last cycle Jono, Me, Amber and a few managers from teams and some linaro folks did one
[22:38] <bkerensa> I think its just a big Q+A thats streamed


[01:06] <linkeichi> "darkxst hey man i think that was a joke jeje, but its real, i passed out weeks without the adobe plugin and now i install it with only one click jeje, Thanks man i love G3
[12:51] <ramcq> hey folks
[12:51] <ramcq> is gnome3-staging known broken in any critical/upsetting ways atm, or is it worth a try? :)
[12:53] <ramcq> and, is there any newer libp11-kit planned? empathy throws a bunch of certificate dialogs at me because p11-kit 0.18 is needed to access system certificate repos
[17:17] <Linkeichi> Someone from Mexico Here?
[23:24] <darkxst> ramcq, staging should be fairly stable now, however there are still some regressions that need fixing
[23:25] <darkxst> ramcq, please file a bug for libp11-kit issue


[17:54] <OvenWerks> tastenheld[m]: general testing of autojack: in studio controls, system tweaks tab, set Logging Level to Extra. Then hit either Restart Jack or Stop Jack (depending on where you want things to end up)
[17:55] <OvenWerks> tastenheld[m]: wait a minute of so noting that Jack status should make some changes. It should  say either stopped or running when it is done.
[17:57] <OvenWerks> tastenheld[m]: next, you should find the log file in ~/.log/autojack.log and maybe the file with a .1 on the end if it got too big at the wrong time.
[17:58] <OvenWerks> tastenheld[m]: normally the tail of that file will give an indication of why it quit.
[18:00] <OvenWerks> tastenheld[m]: another thing to try if the log file doesn't give you any ideas, is to run autojack in a terminal and look at the terminal output as there are some things that are "unloggable".
[18:01] <OvenWerks> If you wish to file an issue on the git page above. uploading these few files would be helpful.
[18:03] <OvenWerks> If you catch me when I am around here you can drop them in a paste site and I will look at them here.
[18:48] <pauluzs> Hi folks,
[18:48] <pauluzs> Currently i'm trying out ubuntu-studio 23.04 with pipewire.
[18:48] <pauluzs> After messing arround with different config- and command-line settings, I'm still unable to run 2 jack aplications at different sample rates.
[18:48] <pauluzs> Goal is to run the sound-hardware and stereotool-jack @ 192Khz to output MPX to a fm transmitter and feed it from mixxx, which can only run up to 96Khz.
[18:48] <pauluzs> question is this possible? and who can hint me to the right configuration of documention how to achieve this?
[18:55] <OvenWerks> pauluzs: that would not be possible because of how the jack graph works. In order to have jack graphs with two different SR, you would need two jack servers with two different server names.
[18:57] <pauluzs> @Ovenwerks thanks, in 22.04 this was working out of the box. (no pipewire) i'll have a look into running a second jack server
[18:58] <OvenWerks> in order to run two applications with different SR, if they are to connect at all (no matter what audio server you use) you need an SRC step somewhere to convert from one to the other
[19:11] <OvenWerks> pauluzs: I have only a slight idea for what you are trying to do. That you want to run a 192k and mention FM makes me think you are going to output RF? Is that correct? There is no good reason to use anything higher for audio meant for human hearing on it's own.
[19:11] <OvenWerks> anyway, I am going to spend some time with my wife. so maybe talk another time.
[19:43] <pauluzs> @OvenWerks i use mixxx as dj program with microphone input from the sound card. and stereotool to create a mpx multiplex which goes into a fm transmitter to modulate it. the MPX constist of a mono sigal L+R 0-15Khz, a pilot tone @19 Khz to identify a stereo transmission, The stereo signal L-R 0-15Khz centered arround 38 Khz and a RDS(data) subcarrier centered auround 57Khz . This signal gets to the transmitter either analog
[19:43] <pauluzs> over the soundcard or digital to a gnu-radio script to  a transmit capable SDR and get converted upto RF there . To satisfy nyquist, there is the need to run at least double the sample rate of the highest freqency. which in my case is the RDS just below 60 Khz. For american broadcast there is also the provision for addition subcarriers the highest almost 96Khz. This is why the minimal sample rate schould be 192Khz.
[22:05] <OvenWerks> That makes sense, lots of audio devices might have odd problems if used as mono
[22:05] <pauluzs> i run it 192 128 with no noticble delay for me
[22:06] <OvenWerks> That would be about the same as 48@32/2
[22:06] <OvenWerks> so yeah pretty good for latency\
[22:06] <pauluzs> any faster i get xruns
[22:06] <OvenWerks>  :) no surprise
[22:08] <OvenWerks> The engineers who designed the hardware/software spec for internal audio consider "low latency" to be 30ms
[22:08] <OvenWerks> As a musician, even 20ms has me playing out of time.
[22:11] <pauluzs> i tend to start to stutter as soon as feedback delay hits 26 ms
[22:12] <OvenWerks> You may have to run real (tm?) jack
[22:13] <pauluzs> quitte happy with the setup now, only wordered if i could achieve the same in pipewire
[22:14] <OvenWerks> piepwire, despite being default audio these days, is still in very active development.
[22:15] <OvenWerks> It is not finished, though it does very well for desktop audio and even a lot of pro audio needs if they don't need low latency.
[22:15] <pauluzs> i'm aware of that, still trying out the new stuff whille hoping to also get my second input working on the same device
[22:16] <pauluzs> i'll give that a second try tomorrow, haven't succeeded yet and its getting late over here
[22:16] <OvenWerks> yeah, well alsa_in or zita-a2j may do that if the audio device (or subdevice) is visible
[22:18] <OvenWerks> At least in jack, not so sure about with pipewire
[22:18] <OvenWerks> I have not tried those utilities with pipewire.
[22:19] <OvenWerks> Anyway, good night.