[10:40]  * bkerensa waves
[10:49] <nieko_nera> hello
[10:51] <nieko_nera> i intalled google chrome, and want to uninstall chromium, but then i try uninstall chromium it wants to install firefox
[10:51] <nieko_nera> i don't want firefox
[11:13] <nieko_nera> found my answer, you need uninstall chromium with this command
[11:13] <nieko_nera> sudo apt-get --purge remove chromium-browser firefox epiphany-browser midori dolphin konqueror
[11:14] <bkerensa> :)
[11:23] <Abbevik> Hello, I'm trying to activate lubuntu-desktop to be my default desktop environment on my Ubuntu 11.10 installment, but it keeps going back to gnome/unity every time I reboot. Do you have any pointers? Thanks
[11:27] <Abbevik> I think I found an answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins
[23:08] <shomon> hi, does anyone know how to get a big cursor in lubuntu, assistive technology stylee?
[23:14] <shomon> no one around I guess :)
[23:15] <wxl> shomon: i betcha phillw knows
[23:16] <wxl> he's our accessibility expert
[23:16] <shomon> ah that's nice... :)
[23:16] <shomon> well I managed to get a package by just installing gnome desktop and waiting a few hours :)
[23:16] <wxl> ugh
[23:16] <shomon> I just don't know which one it is.. so as to avoid that
[23:17] <shomon> anyway, irc is non linear, so I'll stay here for a bit and see if phillw checks in at some point :)
[23:17] <phillw> shomon: I'm not sure if the 'big' arrow is yet available. I know it is on the TODO list.
[23:17] <shomon> hi phillw
[23:17] <shomon> ah, do you know if I can just add it from another package?
[23:18] <shomon> we were thinking you might be able to just hack something in by switching a cursor image.. but I guess there's more to it than that
[23:18] <wxl> i betcha that's possible
[23:18] <wxl> lemme dig
[23:18] <shomon> thanks :)
[23:19] <phillw> ho shomon, you possibly could, but lxappearance is being worked on. could you ask on the mailing list as to if it is yet available, that way you remind the devs & they will reply :)
[23:19] <shomon> that'd be good :)
[23:20] <shomon> could you point me to the mailing list please?
[23:21] <shomon> it'll do wonders for a new lubuntu user with sight problems :)
[23:22] <phillw> shomon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs
[23:22] <shomon> thanks !
[23:22] <phillw> has those details, please also consider joining at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[23:22] <wxl> preferences > customize look and feel > mouse cursor tab
[23:22] <wxl> has an option to change it
[23:23] <wxl> let me see if i can find a big cursor
[23:23] <phillw> wxl: is correct, I am an advocate of accessibility being set into lubuntu and it is a part of our dev to enable it more fully.
[23:23] <pederindi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/big-cursor/3.8
[23:23] <shomon> great :)
[23:24] <wxl> phillw: agreed but i'm looking at it from a support view too actually trying to take care of shomon :)
[23:24] <wxl> year get the tarball there shomon
[23:25] <shomon> so it's just a question of installing that in lubuntu?
[23:25] <pederindi> but I think that doesn't work with 11.04
[23:25] <shomon> ah, I see, it's just a tarball so far sorry
[23:26] <wxl> wow seems to be crashing on that tho
[23:26] <shomon> hmm back in 5 and I'll give it a try
[23:26] <phillw> shomon: wxl https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/Accessibility
[23:27] <phillw> We really do want to do it... just not enough people on dev :(
[23:29] <wxl> wow may have to submit a bug on this
[23:29] <wxl> unless someone else knows another cursor theme?
[23:29] <wxl> i come up with nothing on box look
[23:32] <wxl> there *IS* a "bigcursor" package
[23:32] <pederindi> I'm trying to access lxde.org to get accessibility info but seems to be down
[23:32] <phillw> wxl: with 12.04 there is the ability to import mouse cursor themes, just none yet developed.
[23:33]  * wxl is on 12.04
[23:33] <wxl> i seem to remember that same location in customize look and feel on 11.10 tho
[23:33]  * phillw wonders if AlanBell has been giving a talk on accessibilty on the ubuntu-classroom today? ... oh, he has :)
[23:34] <wxl> brb
[23:34] <AlanBell> it was fun :)
[23:35]  * Silverlion waves at AlanBell
[23:36] <phillw> AlanBell: as lx can import the standard *tar.gz and *tar.bz2 do you know of a theme we can try out?
[23:37] <phillw> AlanBell: I caught the start of it, but I will be reading all the sessions from the logs, they are a mine of information for those who do support :)
[23:38] <AlanBell> theme for what?
[23:39] <wxl> i am in 12.04 so i don't knwo if that changes anything but installing big-cursor worked out just fine tho it did require a logout for it to take effect.
[23:39] <phillw> wxl: care to give instructions & I'll follow them
[23:39] <wxl> it is not a change that happens in openbox as openbox --restart / --reconfigure does not fix it
[23:39] <wxl> phillw:
[23:40] <wxl> 1. sudo apt-get install big-cursor
[23:40] <wxl> 2. put in your password :)
[23:40] <wxl> 3. logout
[23:40] <wxl> 4. log back in
[23:40] <wxl> 5. big cursor!!!!
[23:40] <pederindi> so after logout appear "big-cursor" in "box look" of "customize look and feel"?
[23:41] <wxl> pederindi: no, you'll just end up with big-cursor
[23:41] <wxl> if you look in customize look and feel, there's no apparent change
[23:41] <pederindi> aha, if you want the other cursor you should remove his package
[23:41] <wxl> yeah
[23:41] <wxl> kinda funky
[23:41] <wxl> they should just make it a normal cursor theme
[23:41] <phillw> wxl: fail :(
[23:42] <wxl> phillw: in what way?
[23:43] <phillw> it's okay, I've had a partial update, 12.04 is not a happy bunny atm. it generated a crash report.
[23:43] <wxl> hm
[23:43] <wxl> 12.04 has been pretty much flawless for me
[23:43] <phillw> "Problem already know"
[23:43] <wxl> brb
[23:43] <phillw> *known*
[23:45] <Sillion> hi
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha Sillion
[23:46] <Sillion> I ve reinstalled lubuntu via netinstall and i miss some software
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Sillion; what commands did you use?
[23:47] <Sillion> what's the name of the disk manager which is used to mount.umount, formating, etc?
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Did you install lubuntu-core or lubuntu-desktop?
[23:47] <Sillion> MrChrisDruif, i do not rememeber , what do you mean by command?
[23:47] <Sillion> both i guess
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> You installed with the netinstall, that is the all command installation right?
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> Aka mini-ISO?
[23:48] <Sillion> maybe just core.. do not remember it was the 4th or 5th time i was reinstalling :P
[23:48] <Sillion> netinstall
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> phillw; do you know what a "netinstall" is? I've never done those
[23:49] <wxl> phillw: crash on re-login?
[23:49] <pederindi> netinstall i think is network install
[23:49] <wxl> 'tis
[23:49] <pederindi> so start with core, and download-install from internet ?
[23:49] <Sillion> MrChrisDruif, what i want to know is the name of the diskmanager  to reinstall it
[23:50] <wxl> basically the netinstall disc has next to nothing on it, so all the packages are downloaded at install time rather than copied from the disk
[23:50] <wxl> it's really a matter of semantics
[23:50] <Sillion> that's it wxl
[23:50] <wxl> Sillion: you mean pcmanfm/
[23:50] <Sillion> noi
[23:50] <Sillion> no
[23:50] <pederindi> gparted
[23:50] <Sillion> the soft which is use to format moun, unmount, etc
[23:50] <wxl> oh
[23:50] <wxl> DUH
[23:50] <Sillion> d
[23:51] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: yes, it is an option available via a mini install. you can pull all the files from a local server on your LAN which is a lot faster than using internet, or you can choose internet https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Server_and_network_installations
[23:51] <wxl> Sillion: it's not gparted
[23:51] <wxl> (not for lubuntu)
[23:52] <wxl> it's palimpset
[23:52] <Sillion> pederindi, no
[23:52] <Sillion> palimpset ill go and see
[23:52] <wxl> palimpsest
[23:52] <wxl> sorry
[23:52] <wxl> weird name :/
[23:52] <Sillion> ok
[23:52] <pederindi> aa...
[23:53] <wxl> that's default for lubuntu
[23:53] <pederindi> but is a mix of pcman and gparted
[23:53] <pederindi> aha, dependencies
[23:53] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; gnome-disk-utility?
[23:53] <Sillion> yes that it cool
[23:53] <Sillion> thanks
[23:53] <wxl> no not gnome!!!
[23:53] <wxl> darn you and your gnome people!
[23:53] <wxl> :)
[23:53] <wxl> alright i'm getting out of here
[23:54] <wxl> now you guys behave and keep the gnome off of Sillion's system
[23:54] <Sillion> lol
[23:54] <phillw> well, if they want to drag in half of the worlds content of gnome for a simple utility.... we cannot forbid it :)
[23:58] <jmichaelx> so i just installed lubuntu 11.10on an older laptop, and am unable to change the screen resolution correctly... when i change it, the panel is missing, etc... any suggestions?
[23:59] <cousteau> when/if Ubuntu adopts Wayland instead of X, will Lubuntu have to use that too or will it have only Wayland?  If I understood it right, Wayland is for having a more direct way for composition, which I doubt Lubuntu is interested in


[00:07] <mjayk> haya all my wireless is very flakey after inside kubuntu-desktop were as it is fine in unity
[00:07] <mjayk> ubuntu 14.04 any ideas of what i can try
[08:06] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, before doing do-release-upgrade is it necessary to select "Notify me for a new ubuntu version - for any new version"
[08:11] <valorie> yes
[08:12] <valorie> and also to be fully updated and upgraded
[08:19] <silv3r_m00n> valorie: in which file are those settings saved ?
[08:20] <valorie> I don't know that
[08:21] <valorie> !upgrade
[08:21] <valorie> might say there
[09:08] <alex_____> всем привет
[09:08] <alex_____> тюк
[09:08] <alex_____> hallo everybody
[09:10] <alex_____> somebody hers me?
[09:19] <Michael_> sure
[11:26] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:28] <Moter8> Hey.
[11:28] <lordievader> Hey Moter8, did your upgrade finish?
[11:28] <Moter8> Had paused the vm at midnight and continued today
[11:29] <Moter8> Worked fine.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:32] <roberto_> “!list”
[14:18] <gianfry> ciao
[14:18] <gianfry> !list
[14:31] <deitario1> My K3b crashed (as it is wont to do after having burned a dozen or so discs) but, when I restarted it, I discovered that now all KDE apps on my Lubuntu desktop are failing with "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly".
[14:32] <lordievader> deitario1: Does it specify what protocol?
[14:32] <deitario1> The file protocol. Things like Dolphin and K3b fail to access local drives because the file:// KIOSlave is dying unexpectedly.
[14:33] <deitario1> I seem to remember that being worked around by forcing a restart of one of the resident background processes, but I can't remember which one.
[14:34] <deitario1> Dammit! Now I might as well just kill them all away. The Filelight process that I'd been waiting on for a while just died.
[14:35] <deitario1> (K3b and Filelight are the only KDE 4.x apps I'm using at the moment and, if I accidentally kill a Trinity component that BasKet relies on, I can just restart it.)
[14:38] <lordievader> Sounds like kded ain't started...
[14:42] <deitario1> This one? --> 11893 ?        Sl     0:48 kdeinit4: kded4 [kdeinit]
[14:44] <lordievader> Never mind about that then ;)
[14:44] <lordievader> deitario1: Could you provide me with an strace of the problem?
[14:44] <deitario1> lordievader: Could still be the problem. I was just finishing noting down where all my Filelight instances were pointing in preparation for killing that process to see if, when it respawns, the problem is fixed.
[14:45] <lordievader> Hmm, so kded is dying?
[14:47] <deitario1> lordievader: Historically, when things break in manners similar to this, it seems to be that whatever caused the crash in the application also put one or more of the daemons into a broken state that requires a manual kill to get out of.
[14:47] <deitario1> SIGTERM does the trick. I don't mean SIGKILL when I say "manual kill".
[14:49] <deitario1> That sort of funny business is actually one of the reasons I left KDE 4.x for LXDE. The way KDE interconnects propagates that kind of problem to the point where I'm forced into behaviour equivalent to tearing down my entire in-progress work session and doing a logout-login cycle.
[14:50] <deitario1> KDE 3.5.x was stable enough that it was rarely a problem but KDE 4.x has removed all meaning from the phrase "It's stable now"
[14:51] <lordievader> Hmm, KDE4 is rather stable in my opinion.
[14:52] <deitario1> K3b aside (which has never reached the stability of the rest of the desktop), I find the APPS generally stable but the infrastructure finicky and fragile.
[14:54] <deitario1> It also doesn't help that, in KDE 3.5.x, Konqueror was the center of my desktop experience as a tabbable, splittable, generic KIO+KPart harness... almost a WM in itself. Konqueror 4.x was so bit-rotted and buggy for so long that I developed an alternative workflow.
[14:54] <deitario1> I think it's still rather finicky but I use it so rarely now that I wouldn't know.
[14:55] <lordievader> Konqueror doesn't see much use on Kubuntu desktops.
[14:56] <deitario1> I'm not a big fan of Dolphin aside from the Split/Unsplit toggle button.
[14:56] <lordievader> For the filebrowser we have Dolphin and for the webbrowser we have firefox as default.
[14:57] <deitario1> I really prefer the in-tab KPart preview and I strongly suspect that Dolphin lacks it only because, if you've got the HTTP KIOSlave and you've got KPart preview, you've just proven that DolphinPart is a huge case of NIH syndrome.
[14:58] <lordievader> NIH?
[14:58] <deitario1> Not Invented Here
[14:58] <deitario1> As in "Dolphin was a huge 'reinvent the wheel' thing"
[14:58] <lordievader> Ehh, or 'not implemented here', I suppose ;)
[14:59] <deitario1> That works too. Generally, it's more often used to describe things like the refusal of GNOME to use things like DCOP.
[15:00] <deitario1> (Back in the 3.x days, I remember a lot of people saying "GNOME doesn't use KIOSlaves because they're C++. KDE doesn't use GnomeVFS because it's garbage.")
[15:00] <lordievader> Haha :)
[15:01] <deitario1> ...and I can attest to the latter. GNOME seemed to have a knack for reinventing KDE componentry and then stirring in a huge helping of segfaults.
[15:03] <lordievader> deitario1: Shall we carry this conversation over to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[15:03] <deitario1> lordievader: sure.
[15:47] <deitario1> Ugh. Found the problem. My root partition encountered an error and remounted read-only.
[15:47] <lordievader> Haha, never blame the hardware, even when it is wrong :P
[15:48] <deitario1> After killing the KDE daemons, I got this error -->  Could not start process Cannot talk to klauncher: The name org.kde.klauncher was not provided by any .service files.
[15:49] <deitario1> When I tried to confirm that everything was up to date, apt-get complained about read-only files and, sure enough, dmesg reported that the filesystem had been remounted read-only.
[15:54] <deitario1> smartctl isn't reporting any online errors, but this is the second time I've had this problem in the last couple of months and these drives HAVE been in use since around 2008, so I'll probably want to start taking more thorough measures.
[15:55] <deitario1> (If for no other reason than to ensure that, if fsck once again trashes my root partition to the point of requiring a reinstall, I can restore it quickly.)
[15:55] <lordievader> deitario1: Dmesg usually notes something about why it goes into ro mode.
[15:56] <deitario1> EXT4-fs error (device sda5): ext4_lookup:1437: inode #656325: comm Filelight::Loca: deleted inode referenced: 672817
[15:56] <lordievader> deitario1: So it is an fs problem, not a disk problem.
[15:58] <deitario1> lordievader: If it's not silent hardware corruption breaking the FS, then it's been introduced in one of the kernels which was backported to 12.04 LTS.
[15:59] <deitario1> Things ran swimmingly for years until, a month or two ago, this sort of thing happened and fsck "fixed" things by throwing out half the OS's files. That's when I switched to 14.04 so I could get a new enough glibc to run Don't Starve.
[16:05] <lordievader> deitario1: Run a long smart test.
[16:05] <deitario1> lordievader: That's what I'm about to do.
[16:06] <lordievader> Great minds think alike ;)
[16:06] <deitario1> There. "Please wait 163 minutes for test to complete."
[16:09] <lordievader> There is a reason it is called long ;)
[16:09] <deitario1> Since this machine has four drives and various non-KDE applications still work thanks to my rw-mounted /home partition, I'll take this opportunity to download and burn a Lubuntu 14.10 disc as well as doing a few other preparatory things which require little or no I/O on my root partition.
[16:15] <deitario1> On the plus side, I just finished moving a bunch of downloads (mostly Humble and GOG.com installers) to DVD, so I've got enough space free across the other three drives to backup the entire contents of /dev/sda twice over without putting both copies of any file on the same physical device.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> odd , the network-manager widget icon is missing from the panel and isn't available in the add widgets option even though it's installed
[16:21] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/HCKVbc8.png ಠ_ಠ
[16:38] <vros> Hi!
[16:40] <lordievader> o/
[16:45] <vros> ... need some help with second GUI, as gnome: How to install Gnome like paralel GUI on Kubuntu 12.04? How I might to change it?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> vros, if you already have gnome installed then choose the desktop at login just below the password field
[16:55] <vros> BluesKaj,  ... using Kubuntu... KDE. And like to install Gnome (need for some tools). And how to install it(?), in other way i get DEAD KDE(100% true).
[16:56] <BluesKaj> vros, best to ask in #ubuntu or #gnome then
[16:56] <vros> great(
[16:57] <kingjere> My server had 2 NICs. I took out one. The remaining one still thinks it is eth1. Why?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop ??
[16:57] <BluesKaj> vros,^
[16:58] <vros> it will corrupt graphs'
[16:59] <BluesKaj> kingjere, edit your /etc/network/interfaces
[16:59] <kingjere> BluesKaj: I had the auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp, but it kept sayign interface not found.
[17:02] <kingjere> dmesg | grep eth0 returns a line: systemd-udevd[329]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1
[17:02] <BluesKaj> kingjere, in the terminal eth0=dhcp
[17:03] <lordievader> kingjere: Because udev ;)
[17:04] <lordievader> kingjere: Remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-net-persistent.rules to reset the naming.
[17:05] <kingjere> lordievader: It all makes sense now. Assigned via MAC address.
[17:06] <lordievader> kingjere: Jup ;)
[17:07] <kingjere> lordievader: I assume if I rm that file and reboot it will be regenerated with current hardware?
[17:09] <kingjere> lordievader: I assumed correctly. Thanks for the help.
[17:10] <lordievader> ;)
[17:17] <Moter8> Is there some way to report slow mirrors? :(
[17:17] <Moter8> These language pack installations cant go higher than 35 KB/s it seems
[17:18] <lordievader> Use a different one ;)
[17:18] <Moter8> If I'd have an option to...
[17:19] <lordievader> Change the sources list.
[17:20] <Moter8> Does that work too when installing from a live dvd?
[17:20] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/Hjrd00l.png
[17:20] <lordievader> I suppose so.
[17:22] <Moter8> Thanks, I'll try.
[17:24] <Moter8> lordievader, http://i.imgur.com/aRDWbj0.png ? :/
[17:26] <Moter8> ill try http://askubuntu.com/questions/37753/how-can-i-get-apt-to-use-a-mirror-close-to-me-or-choose-a-faster-mirror
[17:26] <lordievader> Or just use a localized archive.
[17:26] <BluesKaj> I have no problem with my wifi connection , but I need the the network manager widget avialble tro configure and connect to vpn servers , but there's no network management widget available after my last update/upgrade
[17:33] <Moter8> lordievader, downloading at max-speed now
[17:33] <Moter8> woo :)
[17:33]  * Moter8 wonders why this isnt the default setting
[17:36] <s> ciao
[17:41] <s_> ciao
[17:41] <BluesKaj> hi
[17:46] <BluesKaj> I'm tempted to install the nm-applet in order to configure the vpn servers since network manahement widget disappeared
[17:46] <BluesKaj> err management
[17:47] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I solved my network auto-start issue.
[17:57] <lordievader> Moter8: :)
[18:06] <Arthur_D> hi, I am looking for help on how to share my wireless connection to another computer by cable. Any help appreciated
[18:16] <BluesKaj> had to settle for network manager gnome and nm-applet in order to configure access to vpn servers
[18:17] <BluesKaj> kde network manager widget isn't available after the latest upgrades
[18:21] <ibkhayyat> hi, i was trying to install the kubuntu on my old laptop, but it gives an error wubi14.10 rev289... anything i can do to fix this
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ibkhayyat, wubi ias no longer supported on the latest kubuntus
[18:22] <BluesKaj> is
[18:23] <ibkhayyat> but it is on the dvd for to install the kubuntu, the iso that i downloaded from the website here
[18:24] <ibkhayyat> it is the autorun from the disc
[18:24] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: I solved my network auto-start issue.
[18:26] <ibkhayyat> so should i boot from the disc? is it the only option?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> Snowhog, good.. how did you solve it/
[18:28] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: 11/02/14 [16:43:37] <Snowhog> For anyone who upgraded from 14.04 to 14.10 and found that their network wasn't auto-starting, I solved the issue. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1354924/comments/24
[18:29] <Snowhog> BluesKaj: Others signed up for the bug, report that 'my' solution wasn't the same as theirs, but for me, it did solve my problem.
[18:31] <BluesKaj> right
[18:32] <BluesKaj> have a strange problem with network manager widget, it refuses to show up :)
[18:32] <BluesKaj> have to use the gnome nm-applet
[18:33] <alex_rock> is there any vim --servername option in vim on kubuntu 14.04?
[18:39] <Snowhog> alex_rock: Yes. See man vim and search:  /--servername
[18:40] <alex_rock> no it does not exist
[18:41] <alex_rock> it is in the manual, but not in vim -h
[18:43] <BluesKaj> have you asked in #vim?
[18:48] <alex_rock> i am not registered. i cannot write there. have to compile it with clientserver option
[18:48] <alex_rock> why kubuntu does not support it by default....
[18:50] <Snowhog> alex_rock: See http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10646339/edit-a-remote-file-with-vim
[18:52] <alex_rock> Snowhog: it has nothing to do with vim option --servername!!!!!!!!
[18:53] <Snowhog> alex_rock: No need to get angry.  But i will not use gvim
[21:31] <Arthur_D> hi, I am looking for help on how to share my wireless connection to another computer by cable. Any help appreciated
[21:32] <Arthur_D> the computer I am on now has Kubuntu 14.04, while the one I am looking to share my connection to is one with Fedora 21 beta on
[21:37] <kavaco> hi
[21:38] <kavaco> my list of drivers dont work on kubuntu(in config panel kde)
[21:39] <lordievader> kavaco: What? I don't understand your problem.
[21:40] <lordievader> Arthur_D: That sounds like bridging wifi with ethernet, which is quite nasty.
[21:40] <kavaco> the driver list is empty
[21:40] <lordievader> Arthur_D: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
[21:40] <lordievader> kavaco: jockey you mean?
[21:42] <kavaco> jockey? dont understand
[21:42] <kavaco> i have a AMD RADEON vga card
[21:43] <lordievader> kavaco: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[21:43] <kavaco> He appeared on the list
[21:43] <lordievader> !paste | kavaco
[21:44] <Arthur_D> lordievader: thanks for the link. Wonder why it's so nasty... it ought to be doable IMHO
[21:44] <lordievader> Because you are going from 802.3 to 802.11.
[21:45] <lordievader> It is doable, but nasty.
[21:45] <kavaco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8907708/
[21:45] <Arthur_D> lordievader: ok, so no way to do this via NetworkManager I take it
[21:46] <lordievader> Arthur_D: Perhaps.... I don'
[21:46] <lordievader> don't know.
[21:46] <lordievader> kavaco: You don't have a Radeon card...
[21:46] <kavaco> He was on the list, after I updated and installed some programs he disappeared. So I reinstalled kubuntu. And then it happened again.
[21:47] <kavaco> i have, and work on windows 8.1
[21:47] <kavaco> r7 m265
[21:47] <kavaco> amd radeon
[21:47] <lordievader> kavaco: The kernel doesn't detect it, else it would show up in lspci.
[21:48] <lordievader> kavaco: Does 'grep radeon /var/log/dmesg' return anything?
[21:48] <kavaco> the kernel detected, and now no longer detects
[21:49] <kavaco> grep: nothing
[21:53] <lordievader> kavaco: Could you pastebin the output of 'sudo dmidecode'?
[21:56] <dougl> :)
[22:04] <kavaco> lordievader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8907900/
[22:06] <lordievader> kavaco: http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-14-5447-laptop/pd There is no version with a Radeon card.
[22:07] <lordievader> kavaco: And no mention of it further in the dmidecode output.
[22:08] <lordievader> kavaco: I'm sorry but your system simply doesn't have a Radeon card.
[22:10] <kavaco> lordievader: http://www.dell.com/br/p/inspiron-14-5447-laptop/pd?ref=PD_OC
[22:10] <kavaco> i'm from brazil
[22:10] <kavaco> this is the model
[22:11] <lordievader> Now that is interesting. Anyhow the lspci + dmidecode output confirm that this is likely a us model.
[22:12] <lordievader> Note, dmidecode is output from the bios.
[22:12] <kavaco> its work on Ubuntu with amd catatyst
[22:12] <kavaco> but, dont work on Kubuntu
[22:13] <lordievader> That is rather hard to believe.
[22:14] <kavaco> ahuahauhauhauhauhaua
[22:14] <kavaco> in 3 hours you will be here?
[22:15] <kavaco> I have to leave, but come back in 3 hours
[22:15] <kavaco> I can login into Ubuntu I have installed
[22:15] <lordievader> No, I'd likely be asleep. Try 8-10 hours ;)
[22:15] <kavaco> and show you the outputs
[22:15] <lordievader> kavaco: I'd like to see the output though ;)
[22:16] <lordievader> kavaco: My client will be connected though.
[22:16] <kavaco> I then send the outputs, ok?
[22:17] <kavaco> Thank you so much. bye
[22:18] <lordievader> kavaco: Please do :)
[23:26] <Phillies> still never figured out whats going on with vpn on kubuntu
[23:29] <Phillies> iptables are clear,  it says it connects but then no traffic at all       checked router settings   did portforward for openvpn for my router theres no firewall restrictions  i dunno wtf
[23:29] <Phillies> tried a vpn seller and had a friend setup open vpn on a box for me to try
[23:29] <Phillies> and nada
[23:35] <Phillies> http://paste.kde.org/p6zckh8u9


[00:04] <fta> asac, quick-n-dirty hack to fix gwibber: perl -i -pe 's,https://identi.ca,http://identi.ca,' /usr/share/pyshared/gwibber/microblog/identica.py
[00:24] <dtchen> fta: ok, will take a look. i'm recovering from food poisoning ATM.
[00:26] <fta> dtchen, oh, sorry to hear that.
[00:26] <fta> dtchen, http://paste.ubuntu.com/116259/ here is what i see from pa
[00:28] <fta> going to bed. i'm too tired. let me know if you need more info, i'll post that in the morning
[09:20] <asac> fta: so why did i get the tbird build failures today?
[09:20] <asac> fta: are you using the last commit author as changelog author on upoad now?
[11:49] <fta2> asac, strangely, i got all the ftbfs logs from the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[11:50] <asac> fta2: wow
[11:50] <asac> fta2: cant be a coincident
[11:51] <asac> fta2: did those go through mailing list maybe?
[11:52] <fta2> donno. no sig, and the To: is my own email
[11:54] <asac> fta2: hmm. so maybe bigjools went a head and manually fixed our PPAs to send messages to whole team (even though he said this would require a bug)
[11:55] <fta2> hm, do you really believe that?
[11:55] <asac> otoh, i didnt get any -security build failsures
[11:55] <asac> just the -daily ones
[11:55] <fta2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+build/862939/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-sparc.firefox_<IP_ADDRESS>~20090209t122238+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:56] <asac> thats the crash right?
[11:57] <fta2> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+build/862954/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-hppa.xulrunner-1.9_<IP_ADDRESS>+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:57] <asac> yeah i see them https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[11:57] <fta2> ok
[11:57] <asac> seems we never had successful builds on sparc/hppa in hardy
[11:58] <asac> only firefox gutsy is a compiler crash
[11:59] <mconnor> I can never help wondering how much you guys would get done if you weren't fixing sparc/hppa/ppc/omgwtf compiler issues :)
[12:01] <asac> mconnor: armel ;) ... oh, wait you want that too :)
[12:01] <mconnor> well... someone wants that
[12:01] <mconnor> me? it's not my problem :)
[12:02] <asac> and once compiler issues are fixed you get aligment crashes out of the nowhere
[12:06] <asac> mconnor: did you really say that bundling doesnt lead to market share? http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/09/1537203 ?
[12:07] <mconnor> asac: I said that it doesn't prevent others from taking market share
[12:08] <asac> ok good. i already guessed you ment it that way
[12:09] <mconnor> I mean, it's pretty hard to assert that bundling prevents a better product from being adopted
[12:09] <asac> right. but still it would give the better product a boost
[12:09] <mconnor> sure
[12:13] <mconnor> asac: it was a little too much shooting from the hip, but basically, I look at it as one of three situations:
[12:13] <mconnor> 1) you're bundling a better product.  users win.  the competition loses.
[12:14] <mconnor> 2) you're bundling a similar product.  users don't win or lose.  the competition loses.
[12:15] <mconnor> 3) you're bundling crapware, users get annoyed and find something better. the competition starts taking share.
[12:15] <mconnor> of course, smart people than me have cited the must-carry Java stuff as a huge hit to java
[12:17] <asac> from a software market perspective its probably healthier to not bundle, i agree. OTOH, i also feel bad about training users to search for alternatives and install stuff from the net as they then start to install various things that often comes with spyware and stuff. not sure what is more important. i think i would prefer if the oem market would ship various bundles and not a monoculture
[12:26] <asac> jcastro: can you please fix gwibber-team PPA package asap? ;)
[12:27] <BUGabundo> asac: I have the daily build from fta and its also broken
[12:27] <BUGabundo> not sure if it still is the SSL prob
[12:27] <BUGabundo> or not
[13:05] <fta2> what is broken?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> any plans on updated Sm 1.1.X or should i do it when im done with 2.0
[13:52] <gnomefreak> pinery kept crashing yesterday so i havent gotten to sing/upload yet
[13:52] <gnomefreak> sign even
[13:59] <jcastro> asac: what's wrong with the gwibber-team package?
[14:00] <gnomefreak> anyone care to update m-d for seamonkey-1.1.x? sunbird 1.x but seamonkey is mail one
[14:01] <asac> jcastro: it doesnt work anymore
[14:02] <asac> with identi.ca
[14:02] <asac> jcastro: well. in fact identi.ca seem to have dropped support for https
[14:02] <jcastro> I thought they turned it back on
[14:02] <jcastro> checking
[14:02] <asac> didnt work a few hours ago
[14:03] <jcastro> they shut it off for 24 hours or so
[14:03] <jcastro> I saw evan telling upstream to not use https, I'll check with ryan when he wakes up
[14:03] <asac> jcastro: indeed its back now
[14:03] <asac> thanks
[14:03] <asac> anyway, they should give a warning before turning off imo
[14:05] <jcastro> yeah they were troubleshooting and turned it off, according to them gwibber was using an undocumented thing anyway
[14:05] <jcastro> I don't even know why you'd care if your dents were over https anyway
[14:11] <asac> jcastro: huh? afaik their turned of https
[14:11] <asac> damn ... me cannot type
[14:11] <asac> afaik they turned off https ;)
[14:11] <jcastro> Yeah I think no one was supposed to be using https yet
[14:12] <asac> i think polling for new dents is ok but login + posting over https makes sense
[14:12] <jcastro> agreed
[14:12] <asac> ok. but in the end i dont mind that much :)
[14:12] <asac> as long as the package is working i am happy with whatever ;)
[14:12] <jcastro> jheh
[14:12] <jcastro> I hope he finishes the stupid keyring soon
[14:13]  * jcastro looks at the calendar
[14:13] <asac> keyring?
[14:13] <asac> you mean for gnome?
[14:13] <asac> damn ... /me restarts X session to get back window decorations
[14:13] <jcastro> yeah, right now he stores the login stuff in a plain text file
[14:13] <jcastro> he wants that in the keyring before we put it in for jaunty
[14:14] <asac> oh right
[14:14] <asac> but now that i know that we will use http it doesnt really make a differnce ;)
[14:15] <jcastro> heh
[14:17] <james_w> fta2: Does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyUpstreamBuildsPOCSpec do what you need?
[14:20] <fta2> james_w, reading...
[14:24] <gnomefreak> can someone try opening a text file by double clicking. let me know if it opens. this is jaunty
[14:25] <asac> james_w: is lp:firefox supposed to be upstream branch?
[14:27] <fta2> yes
[14:28] <james_w> asac: yes
[14:29] <fta2> i understand that the pre-requisite is that the full upstream sources are cloned into a bzr branch, that excludes all projects using multiple vcs (thunderbird, seamonkey, songbird, chromium, ...)
[14:29] <asac> james_w: ok, is there a good read-only hg integration yet?
[14:30] <james_w> asac: I don't think so
[14:30] <asac> james_w: yeah. what fta says is also important: we have nested assembled trees from multiple vcs's
[14:30] <fta2> .. and all projects not currently importable by lp (hg, git, ...)
[14:30] <james_w> nesting is explicitly addressed in the spec
[14:30] <james_w> does that not cover your use of it?
[14:31] <fta2> nesting is not easy, most of the time, you have to run a command after you fetched the 1st tree, to get the rest
[14:32] <james_w> a command provided by the 1st tree?
[14:32] <fta2> tb3 wants python client.mk <some flags>
[14:32] <fta2> chromium wants cd blabla ; ./gclient <some flags)
[14:32] <asac> in most cases its a command from first tree
[14:33] <fta2> -mk+py
[14:33] <asac> but first tree now comes from bzr ... second tree would come from hg again
[14:33] <fta2> or cvs
[14:33] <asac> if thats possible we should also allow first tree to come from other VCS#s
[14:33] <fta2> that's the problem is have with my bot. my local branch feature doesn't work for those
[14:34] <fta2> so i do it without local branch (equiv to your lp:firefox)
[14:59] <fta2> james_w, i'm also wondering how it's supposed to work for packages using embedded tarballs
[15:01] <fta2> and how will you name the versions??
[15:11] <james_w> oh, I forgot the section on version numbering, thanks
[15:11] <james_w> and do embedded tarballs make sense for daily builds?
[15:12] <james_w> do you extract tip and tar it up, then drop it in the package?
[15:21] <fta2> james_w, well, i decided to stick with the original packaging, there's why i invoke get-orig-source, so all the dh_* rules work, pre-build, patch, etc..
[15:22] <fta2> so yes, i create a tarball, preferably from a local branch, but i only unpack it to test-build the package (which i don't do right now), the real build happens in the ppa.
[15:23] <asac> james_w: couldnt we just use custom commands to plumber orig? even without getting some orig branch with bzr?
[15:23] <asac> i mean if we get comm-central from bzr ... and then mozilla-central from hg we could just take everything from hg ;)
[15:27] <fta2> here are my confs so far, the bot expects nothing else: http://paste.ubuntu.com/116481/
[15:30] <fta2> (i should really document my stuff)
[15:48] <gnomefreak> ff-4.0 is really 3.2?
[15:49] <james_w> asac: in my opinion that is a small thing
[15:49] <asac> gnomefreak: undecided
[15:50] <gnomefreak> the revision # sugest it is
[15:50] <asac> james_w: you mean a small thing to add custom command for orig?
[15:50] <james_w> asac: to allow grabbing branches from hg
[15:51] <gnomefreak> does this look right for dput incoming = ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ubuntu/
[15:51] <asac> james_w: yes, but we need to run a custom command for nested branches anyway
[15:51] <fta2> gnomefreak, don't dput anything in ubuntu-mozilla-daily, it's meant for the bot only
[15:52] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[15:52] <asac> gnomefreak: and neither in -security please :)
[15:52] <gnomefreak> i dont have security
[15:52] <asac> good
[15:52] <asac> ;)
[15:53] <asac> new dput line should prefix /ubuntu with /ppa ... e.g. ~asac/ppa/ubuntu/
[15:53] <james_w> asac: the problem is that if you add in custom commands there is little need for a common tool in the first place
[15:53] <fta2> i'm may even be impossible, i don't think -daily is owned by the team, just me at the moment
[15:53] <fta2> -i'm+it
[15:53] <james_w> I understand you are in a bit of a bind though
[15:53] <gnomefreak> incoming = ~gnomefreak/ubuntu/ is mine
[15:53] <gnomefreak> same with mt ppa
[15:54] <asac> james_w: well. it provides cron job and auto upload at least
 I understand you are in a bit of a bind though <= was that for me?
[15:55] <james_w> I meant the mozilla team
[15:55] <james_w> your packages are generally outliers in their requirements, and they are not easy to "fix"
[15:55] <asac> james_w: atm we run this bot on a private machine. having something more officially deployed would be great in the long run.
[15:56] <james_w> there are no plans for that currently
[15:56] <asac> james_w: also you need to provide hooks for custom commands anyway. e.g. +dfsg tarballs
[15:56] <asac> need to get stripped or modified
[15:56] <james_w> why can't that be a branch?
[15:57] <asac> yeah. my fault. i still think about not supported bzr imports ;)
[15:57] <asac> so if i remove or replace files i need to bzr merge new upstream releases
[15:58] <asac> err ... upstream dailies. that would work most likely
[15:58] <asac> depends on git and hg support though
[15:59] <asac> james_w: once we can sync from such branches, we could also try to provide a "hg", "git" wrapper that maps the sub-checkouts to the right bzr equivalent
[15:59] <asac> not sure how easy it would be to guess bzr rev-ids from git/hg commits
[16:00] <asac> but thats usually in such branches right?
[16:00] <asac> so we would have:
[16:00] <asac> lp:comm-central (aka tbird)
[16:01] <asac> and when client.py runs something like: hg clone -r REVISION http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central, we would do bzr branch -r MAPPEDREVISION lp:mozilla-central
[16:02] <asac> sounds hard to do ;)
[16:02] <asac> too bad
[16:05] <gnomefreak> asac: where is the nobinonly script? sm1.1.x needs to be done by hand
[16:06] <asac> gnomefreak: in debian/?
[16:06] <asac> remove.nonbinonly.sh
[16:06] <fta2> gnomefreak, no, it has everything needed
[16:06] <gnomefreak> in ubuntu
[16:06] <asac> or something?
[16:06] <asac> hmm
[16:06] <gnomefreak> fta2: for new tarball?
[16:06] <asac> then follow fta ;)
[16:06] <gnomefreak> release == 1.1.15 IIRC we have 1.1.13 in repos
[16:06] <fta2> i remember it is able to repack the official tarballs
[16:07] <gnomefreak> looking in m-d its not listed
[16:07] <fta2> get-orig-source & get-current-source are there
[16:08] <fta2> it's using uscan and performs a repack afterwards
[16:08] <fta2> so just do ./debian/rules get-orig-source
[16:08] <gnomefreak> ok ill try it
[16:09] <gnomefreak> will try it
[17:08]  * asac spins an unoptimized -central build
[17:27]  * gnomefreak reallying starting to hate quilt
[17:27] <gnomefreak> be back maybe it will work this time
[17:34] <gnomefreak> after autoconf2.13 quilt shows ~17 patches but in debian/patches(our dir) shows ~24 or so
[18:07] <gnomefreak> asac: what am i missing? I looked at the orignal file that was patched by the zip patch that failed and 1st thereis only 109 lines not 112+. here is output of erverything i ran so far let me know what im missing? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620869
[18:07]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[18:14] <gnomefreak> scratcvh that seems the killall patch was applied upstream
[18:16] <jcastro> fta: miro2 for jaunty? ;p
[19:16] <dorgan> hello all
[19:17] <dorgan> I am able to get the date of a selected message in thunderbird but its not coming in as a formated date it looks like a timestamp
[19:17] <dorgan> how do i convert that to a formated date
[19:23] <dorgan> ::echo:: :: echo::
[19:23] <dorgan> lol
[19:40] <dorgan> anyone awake in here?
[19:48] <gnomefreak> are you fucking kidding me
[19:49] <gnomefreak> ive removed a shit load of patches nad still going :(
[20:08] <gnomefreak> this better work this time, i have a life to get back to :(
[20:08] <gnomefreak> 17 patches checked adn removed
[20:12] <fta> jcastro, what about miro?
[20:14] <jcastro> fta: 2.0 got released just a bit ago, I saw an svn snapshot from a while back in your PPA
[20:14] <fta> jcastro, i can sure bump mine but i'm no way the maintainer. i think we get it from debian.
[20:15] <jcastro> ah ok, just wondering
[20:16] <fta> jcastro, i have the tendency to bump a lot of packages that i feel are not moving fast enough, neither in ubuntu, nor in debian, or even package stuff myself, but most are not ending in any repo, just my ppa :(
[20:17] <fta> users seem to like my ppa because of that
[20:17] <gnomefreak> ok im going out while this damn thing builds if it fails anymore ill look at it tomorrow
[20:17] <jcastro> fta: you're the crack master!
[20:17] <fta> jcastro, i don't think so, but i sure like fresh food
[20:18]  * jcastro hugs
[20:21] <fta> hm, too much http://is.gd/j51Q
[20:22] <fta> i'm seeing this http://is.gd/j528 now
[20:23] <fta> do you want miro2 ?
[20:23] <fta> jcastro, ^^
[20:24] <jcastro> I think it'd be great to have in the distro
[20:27] <fta> jcastro, well, that i can't do, so for some reason i don't really understand, new stuff takes forever to get in
[20:38] <fta> dtchen, do you guys have a daily ppa for pulseaudio ? or should I setup one (or try to do so)
[20:38] <fta> i mean trunk of course
[21:23] <asac> sigh ... /me too dumb to do a non-debug build ;)
[21:24] <asac> respin
[21:27] <fta> i think i should trash my main chroot, too much stuff in there
[21:29] <fta> 256 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 37 not upgraded.
[21:29] <fta> Need to get 217MB/217MB of archives.
[21:29] <fta> this is not good in a chroot :P
[21:47] <asac> heh
[21:47] <asac> take care that you dont trash your bind mounted home ;)
[21:47] <fta> i don't do that
[21:48] <fta> no risk then
[21:48] <asac> thats bad
[21:48] <asac> firefox-bin from browser build doesnt crash
[21:48] <asac> on exit
[21:48] <asac> whats going on with the xul stub
[21:51] <asac> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116603/
[21:51] <fta> asac, grrr, still no build-system.tar.gz in the xul 1.9 you last pushed
[21:52] <asac> fta: here is what i did: i produced a orig.tar.gz in jaunty; then bumped version and spun package
[21:52] <gnomefreak> fucking patch is starting to piss me off now
[21:52] <asac> fta: what is missing on xulrunner-1.9.head branch?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> its needed but wont apply
[21:53] <asac> gnomefreak: which patch?
[21:53] <gnomefreak> 35_theme_switch.patch
[21:54] <gnomefreak> everythin with # less than 35 is trash they applied all upsttream
[21:54] <asac> let me look
[21:54] <asac> souds wierd that many patches get applied upstream on 1.8
[21:54] <gnomefreak> i didnt push to branch yet
[21:54] <gnomefreak> so all old patches are still there
[21:54] <asac> cant believe they applied all. really
[21:55] <asac> gnomefreak: i think you messed up your orig ;)
[21:55] <gnomefreak> yep checked each by hand
[21:55] <gnomefreak> with find in geidt
[21:55] <asac> how did you check?
[21:55] <gnomefreak> hard to do
[21:55] <gnomefreak> open patch open file that was patched used find in gedit located and compared
[21:55] <asac> yes. i think you made a mistake .... please paste first 100 lines or so of tar tzf seamonkey-.....orig.tar.gz
[21:56] <gnomefreak> if the + was added that hunk was applied
[21:56] <gnomefreak> of my build failure?
[21:57] <asac> no the command i wrote ;)
[21:57] <asac> tar tzf ...
[21:57] <asac> append:
[21:57] <asac> | head -n 80
[22:00] <gnomefreak> damnit that is my fault hold on a sec
[22:01] <gnomefreak> \http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620955
[22:01] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620955
[22:01] <gnomefreak> that didnt look like 80 lines
[22:03] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620957 were applied upstream http://pastebin.mozilla.org/620957 and yes each hunk :(
[22:03] <gnomefreak> whats with the double shit
[22:05] <asac> gnomefreak: did you try to use quilt push to apply them?
[22:06] <gnomefreak> yes each time i used totle of 5 qyuilt commands starting with quilt applied than push -f than autoconf than refrexh than pop and push -a
[22:07] <gnomefreak> until all were done
[22:07] <gnomefreak> all were " cannot bew removed cleanly" as i recall thats when i brought them up and made sure they were applied
[22:08] <gnomefreak> and i copied the patches dir to our debian dir
[22:09] <asac> gnomefreak: na. first do a single quilt push
[22:09] <asac> if that doesnt apply check what the error is
[22:09] <gnomefreak> i did each one at a time
[22:09] <gnomefreak> took me 3 fucking hours
[22:09] <gnomefreak> give or take an hour
[22:11] <gnomefreak> thats odd a3 is < a2 :(
[22:11] <asac> where?
[22:12] <gnomefreak> i fixedit
[22:12] <gnomefreak> my PPA wasnt in sources.list
[22:13] <gnomefreak> SM2 is done finally
[22:14] <gnomefreak> btw is there a faster way than looking at each patch and each file(hunk) to make sure they are applied?
[22:15] <gnomefreak> diff not very handy in that since some of these files are 9000 lines
[22:15] <asac> in general no. usually if the exact same patches are applied, quilt will tell you that they could be reverse-applied
[22:15] <asac> well. thats how it is
[22:15] <asac> anyway, i still doubt that all got applied
[22:15] <gnomefreak> asac: only 17 out of what 30?
[22:16] <asac> _only_ lol
[22:16] <asac> i mean. thats like a major upstream happening on a EndOfLife branch
[22:16] <asac> fta: what do you think ;)
[22:16] <asac> ?
[22:16] <gnomefreak> yeah i figured that too but i'm going by what i saw :)
[22:17] <asac> gnomefreak: my guess is you somewhat applied all patches and then tried to reapply them ;)
[22:17] <gnomefreak> i didnt push so they are all there in the branch still
[22:17] <asac> at least one possible story
[22:17] <asac> or you didnt create proper patches directory link
[22:17] <asac> and quilt messed up
[22:17] <asac> fta: can dquilt help gnomefreak to apply quilt patches in a safe manner?
[22:17] <gnomefreak> i ran all quilt commands than copied over than did again and so on
[22:18] <asac> yeah that sounds wrong ;)
[22:18] <gnomefreak> dquilt?
[22:18] <asac> even though i dont understand it
[22:18] <asac> gnomefreak: for me all patches apply cleanly ;)
[22:18] <asac> all i did was:
[22:18] <gnomefreak> every time i ran autoconf-xx i copied over
[22:19] <asac> bzr branch lp:~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey-1.1.dev
[22:19] <fta> asac, dquilt is not perfect, but it's not an embedded tarball, it should work just fine
[22:19] <fta> +if
[22:19] <asac> cd seamonkey-1.1.dev
[22:19] <asac> bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='debuild -b'
[22:19] <asac> gnomefreak: ^^
[22:19] <gnomefreak> asac: looking
[22:20] <asac> well ... i also did ./debian/rules get-orig-source; mv seamon*tar.gz ../tarballs/
[22:20] <asac> before spinning
[22:20] <gnomefreak> bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -k764D5E13 -i.bzr' .  should not make a diff. between yours and mine
[22:20] <gnomefreak> yeah i did that already ")
[22:20] <asac> gnomefreak: ok so i was wrong. all patches apply except 35_zip_cache.patch -> that can be dropped
[22:21] <asac> that makes sense because i remember that this landed upstream
[22:21] <asac> let me check if something else fails
[22:21] <gnomefreak> that was the second one first was 30_killall.patch as i recall
[22:21] <asac> gnomefreak: you said: _all_
[22:21] <asac> but no ... 30_killall.patch worked
[22:21] <gnomefreak> i said 17
[22:21] <asac> gnomefreak: thats it
[22:22] <asac> let me commit it
[22:22] <asac> everything else applies
[22:22] <gnomefreak> ok will try again
[22:22] <gnomefreak> i also have a shitload of CVE's
[22:23] <asac> gnomefreak: ok committed
[22:23] <asac> rev 158
[22:23] <gnomefreak> ok looking
[22:24] <gnomefreak> yep i got it. will let you know when im done
[22:25] <fta> asac, the problem of dquilt is to get DEB_SRCDIR for embedded tarballs, it's broken when DEB_SRCDIR is not an already expended value, i.e., when it refers to another variable or to a shell command
[22:26] <asac> fta: hmm. ok
[22:26] <asac> fta: so make a "makefile out od dquilt" that includes the debian/rules ;)
[22:27] <fta> asac, i was tempted to add an echo-deb-srcdir target to debian/rules, or to something always included
[22:29] <fta> like DEB_SRCDIR=`make -f debian/rules echo-deb-srcdir`
[22:33] <asac> fta: maybe like: echo-config CONFIGVARS=DEB_SRCDIR,MOZ_SOMETHING,...
[22:36] <asac> gnomefreak: does it build?
[22:37] <fta> asac, having that wont help spread dquilt outside of the mozillateam. it would need to be in cdbs
[22:39] <asac> getting 14K mail headers from gmail imap probably takes a bit ;)
[22:50] <asac> hmm ... now i have a bug that should go into an FAQ
[22:50] <asac> not sure how to tag that properly without reopening
[22:51] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/295099
[22:56] <asac> OOm
[22:57] <asac> good that i have disabled swap ... otherwise tbird wouldnt have been killed
[22:57] <asac> someone really needs to implement memory pressure
[23:43] <[reed]> asac: Gecko supports memory pressure already...
[23:43] <[reed]> Fennec is using it


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[00:44] <jbicha> jibel: oh never mind. I see that the NM postinst change was applied in Debian
[05:06] <ulysses> Hey guys, I'm wondering why some Gnome 3 apps aren't themed, any ideas?
[05:06] <ulysses> Also have a icon in the upper right of all of my windows, how do I get rid of that?
[06:09] <duflu> ulysses, which apps aren't themed?
[06:09] <ulysses> Hey!
[06:09] <ulysses> Polari, Gnome Books
[06:09] <ulysses> that's what I can tell so far
[06:10] <duflu> ulysses, also do you mean this large icon? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1718238
[06:11] <ulysses> It's an icon to the upper right corner of the window, like that, but even non gtk 3 apps will have a window menu in that place
[06:11] <duflu> ulysses, please log a bug with screenshot so we can figure it out
[06:12] <ulysses> See, I installed the MATE desktop, then purged it, and I think that may have something to do with it?
[06:12] <ulysses> I'll do that
[06:14] <duflu> ulysses, I installed those two apps in 18.04 and they are themed. Please log a separate bug for that issue too
[06:15] <ulysses> Ok, would this happen to have anything to do with QT?
[06:15] <ulysses> Also, how's 18.04?
[06:17] <duflu> ulysses, I don't know but since we can't get a clear idea of the problems you're experiencing you will need to log bugs with screenshots
[06:17] <ulysses> Ok ok
[06:17] <duflu> 18.04 is great
[06:17] <ulysses> Getting there
[06:17] <ulysses> Is it stable this early in the builds?
[06:17] <ulysses> Any fun features planned for the release?
[06:18] <duflu> ulysses, yes it's been stable for a couple of months. Only one problem compared to 17.10 comes to mind -- hardware accelerated video playback in 18.04 broke this week
[06:18] <duflu> So "stable" is relative
[06:19] <ulysses> That sucks, I'm sure they'll get it ironed out though
[06:19] <duflu> Yes, we'll fix it soon. Have already tested the fix
[06:21] <ulysses> Is it doing well on AMD hardware/
[06:21] <ulysses> *?
[06:21] <tjaalton> duflu: 18.0.0-rc4 released without the fix, so I'll distro-patch it for now
[06:21] <duflu> tjaalton, ta muchly
[06:22] <duflu> ulysses, I don't have AMD to test on, but when we asked the community for testing it was positive feedback about AMD
[06:22] <ulysses> Always good to hear
[06:23] <ulysses> I'm dorking about in dconf, where are the preferences for window buttons and the like?
[06:23] <ulysses> I think I can solve one problem there
[06:24] <duflu> ulysses, install 'gnome-tweak-tool' and just run that I think
[06:24] <ulysses> I have that weird additional window menu, and I think if I can find whatevers making it pop up, I can just delete that line of text and get rid of it
[06:26] <ulysses> Ha! Ok
[06:26] <ulysses> Got rid of the app menu
[06:26] <ulysses> That's fixed
[06:27] <ulysses> I'll be back, I'm going to pop out and pop back in to see if my QT installs did anything to affect the windows not being themed
[06:27] <ulysses> Thank you for your help by the way
[06:32] <ulysses> Alright, and I'm back
[06:32] <ulysses> I think it's a qt issue, as no qt app is themed
[06:44] <flocculant> ulysses: I used qt5-style-plugin, install and logout, but that's Xubuntu - not sure it'll help in Ubuntu
[06:44] <ulysses> Probably will
[06:45] <ulysses> I'm figuring it out a step at a time
[06:45] <ulysses> I think the Gnome apps that weren't being themed are FlatPak apps
[06:49] <ulysses> Is there a PPA for QT5?
[06:50] <flocculant> no idea - just installed normally
[06:50] <ulysses> I figured I might as well solve my QT apps looking weird while I'm at it
[06:51] <ulysses> You guys know how to make FlatPak look good?
[07:16] <didrocks> good morning
[07:22] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:24] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:24] <duflu> salut didrocks, oSoMoN
[07:25] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:26] <duflu> tjaalton, to be fair it was a weird use case. Developers who haven't had to deal with chains of gstreamer plugins before probably haven't encountered the mess that is multiple screens and multiple contexts all trying to render a single thing
[07:27] <duflu> But gstreamer works. Sometimes that seems amazing
[07:28] <duflu> -chain +pipeline
[07:34] <tjaalton> yeah
[07:40] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, duflu
[09:00] <willcooke> ahoy
[09:01] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:24] <duflu> Ahoy willcooke
[09:26] <seb128> hey duflu
[09:26] <duflu> Hi seb128
[09:26] <seb128> good morning desktopers, people starting to me and it seems I forgot to say hi here :)
[09:26] <seb128> duflu, how are you? had a good friday? ready for the w.e?
[09:27] <duflu> seb128, been slightly unwell. But the good news is I will propose one tiny mutter fix tonight, and then the big one(s) next week. Everything is starting to become silky smooth
[09:27] <willcooke> hope you feel better duflu
[09:28] <seb128> get better duflu! and nice for the upstream fixes :)
[09:29] <seb128> I hope you get more luck than for the dock/panel refresh ones
[09:29] <duflu> Weirdly the fix for my big branch was my little branch I had discarded because it didn't help enough (before the big branch)
[09:30] <duflu> seb128, these are a bigger deal than the CPU fixes. I will return to those
[09:30] <seb128> k
[09:30] <willcooke> if someone wants to use synaptics on 17.10/18.04 under Unity - do they need to remove libinput?
[09:30] <duflu> willcooke, nope. It coexists
[09:30] <willcooke> thanks duflu
[09:30] <duflu> Xorg sessions use it and Wayland uses libinput
[09:31] <duflu> Although that seems to imply prioritization... which seems to work
[09:31] <seb128> willcooke, duflu, it's the other way around, synaptic is having a higher priority than libinput so if it gets install it screws GNOME
[09:32] <seb128> so it's like libinput was not installed
[09:32] <duflu> Yes, that's what I was trying to say
[09:32] <seb128> I don't like much to keep to option for users to shoot themself in the foot without knowing how/why
[09:33]  * willcooke hands the user a gun
[09:33] <willcooke> We need U7 settings to support libinput I think
[09:33] <duflu> I think coexisting is ideal, if the settings dialog shows some kind of warning as to why things won't work
[09:35] <seb128> like people are going to install it because they read something on the internet that says to do that and not understand why their GNOME settings get missing and blame us for providing a buggy desktop
[09:35] <seb128> right, having the warning lowers the issue but still isn't a good experience
[09:53] <seb128> Trevinho, the man who never sleeps, sending emails in the middle of the night
[10:05] <willcooke> :))
[10:26] <duflu> Argh, I should not have left it till Friday night to try my first upload to gitlab
[10:26] <duflu> Anyway, later...
[10:44] <willcooke> lots of spam today on IRC. :(
[11:02] <willcooke> didrocks, just came across this which is relevant to our conversation yesterday about doing geo lookups:  https://code.launchpad.net/~fo0bar/ubiquity/geoname-use-https
[11:02] <willcooke> I'm sure you already know, but figured I would share
[11:02] <willcooke> oh, but of course, we said we would just use whatever the users sets.
[11:02] <willcooke> ignore
[11:02] <willcooke> :)
[11:13] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, I looked at another translation issue yesterday (bug #1707898), and would appreciate your eyes on the patch.
[11:23] <ogra_> Trevinho, ogra@styx:~$ sudo snap connect telegram-desktop:network-status
[11:23] <ogra_> error: snap "core" has no "network-status" interface slots
[11:23] <ogra_> (did you mean network-observe ?)
[11:23] <Trevinho> ogra_: ohhhh... yeah.
[11:24] <Trevinho> ogra_: thanks for pointing out
[11:24] <ogra_> :)
[11:24] <ogra_> nice work ! really
[11:25] <Trevinho> ogra_: oh acutally there should be one  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1JI7lmEd/image.png
[11:25] <Trevinho> ogra_: thanks :), it's there for a while, just had no time to keep it in sync
[11:26] <Trevinho> but, I guess it's different?
[11:26] <ogra_> weird, my laptop definitely doesnt have network-status
[11:26] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~$ snap version
[11:26] <ogra_> snap    2.30
[11:26] <ogra_> snapd   2.30
[11:26] <ogra_> (latest stable)
[11:27] <Trevinho> could even be a doc issue
[11:27] <ogra_> well, or a regression
[11:47] <jbicha> seb128: hi, I updated LP: #1734586 and the git branch. The dns-search-domains patch won't even apply now
[11:58] <xnox> jbicha, argch
[12:03] <jbicha> xnox: ?
[12:03] <xnox> jbicha, network-manager stuff =/
[12:04] <jbicha> oh, it sounded to me like you were volunteering to work on it! ;)
[12:19] <didrocks> willcooke: I'll gladly ignore :) the user sets the timezone/location, I think it's better, indeed
[12:29] <willcooke> :)
[12:33] <Trevinho> seb128: haha, I didn't see that... You know. It's when the flow goes better.
[13:10] <doko> gnome-software wants a MIR for gtkspell
[13:11] <jbicha> doko: looking at the diff of the new gnome-software, it looks like gnome-software was missing its gtkspell3 binary dependency because of a bug (in the meson conversion?)
[13:11] <jbicha> gtkspell was already in main in previous Ubuntu releases because of gnome-software. Could you please promote it again?
[13:49] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, I can have a look in a bit, btw you probably saw but I fixed pkgbinarymangler, it was an easy change once I figured out the issue :)
[13:58] <seb128> jbicha, hey, right, we should probably comment it out for now, it doesn't look like anyone who understand the code is wanting to update it and nobody cared enough to upstream report an issue and the change, that's what you get in return...
[14:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: Nice. The "figure out" part was the tough one.
[14:06] <seb128> :)
[14:17] <GunnarHj> jbicha: pkgbinarymangler has been fixed now, so it would be great if you could rebuild gnome-sudoku to fix bug #1734545.
[15:13] <jbicha> seb128: so you want me to upload NM 1.10 now?
[15:29] <seb128> jbicha, if you want sure, I can have a look to the diff first if you prefer, also I didn't read the changelog yet but maybe put a rational on the patch disabling saying it was not upstreamed and the people understanding the issue can't help updating it and the issue is less important than the update
[15:41] <jbicha> seb128: I've updated the changelog with an explanation for disabling the patch
[15:51] <seb128> jbicha, looks fine to me, I would have added a note that the issue/patch was not upstream but I guess that doesn't matter much, I can tell that to Steve or whoever complains we commented it out
[15:58] <willcooke> Did we ever talk about switching the date to show in the top bar by default?  Tweaks has a toggle for it, so I assume it's just a setting?
[15:59] <willcooke> Side note: Seems I dont know what the date is most of the time
[15:59] <seb128> I don't think that has been discussed
[16:00] <seb128> I personally like to have it as well, unsure how representative that is
[16:01] <mdeslaur> FYI, I turned on the date as well
[16:04] <willcooke> 100% of people who responded wanted it switched on.
[16:04] <willcooke> SHIIIIIIIIP IIITTTTT
[16:05] <kenvandine> +1
[16:05] <willcooke> jbicha, wdyt? ^
[16:05]  * kenvandine is often annoyed it's not there
[16:05] <mdeslaur> hehe
[16:05] <willcooke> Honestly, it's going to save me about 5 or 6 clicks *a day*
[16:05] <jbicha> btw, GNOME 3.27 has an option to hide the weekday, but it was a bit buggy so I didn't add a switch for that to Tweaks. See GNOME bug 789311 & GNOME bug 789324
[16:06] <willcooke> I'm ok with what day it is generally, but just having the DOM up there would really help
[16:06] <willcooke> IM
[16:06] <willcooke> O
[16:06] <jbicha> could someone that cares at least mention this in #gnome-design to know if there is a reason they don't enable the date by default?
[16:07] <willcooke> sure I can do that
[16:07] <seb128> we didn't have it on by default in Unity either right?
[16:07] <seb128> but at the same time unity had a setting for it
[16:07] <willcooke> that ^
[16:07] <seb128> when in GNOME you need to find/install tweaks
[16:08] <kenvandine> willcooke, i just asked :)
[16:08] <jbicha> quick, let's ship Tweaks by default ;)
[16:08] <seb128> lol
[16:08] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine - I'm struggling to add a new server to hexchat because menus
[16:08] <willcooke> jbicha, :D
[16:08] <kenvandine> lol
[16:09] <seb128> is there any other OS that requires you do install tweak apps to enable showing the date?
[16:09] <seb128> I wonder what windows/macOS do there
[16:10] <seb128> oh well, I'm not going to start a GNOME ranting now
[16:10] <mdeslaur> seb128: https://www.igeeksblog.com/add-date-to-menu-bar-in-mac-os-x/
[16:11] <seb128> good
[16:11] <seb128> it's maybe yet another setting we should try to convince GNOME to add to g-c-c next cycle
[16:12] <jbicha> I guess part of the problem is that Tweaks has such a variety of stuff
[16:14] <jbicha> the GNOME "cabal" has this concept of tweaks which they don't want to have in g-c-c even though some are popular choices that other desktops would show in their settings apps
[16:15] <jbicha> also, Tweaks can have somewhat disorganized stuff, but Settings has a higher design baseline
[16:16] <jbicha> Settings > Date & Time does have empty space though …
[16:17] <seb128> well, splitting settings in 2 apps, useful & less useful settings is a weird concept
[16:17] <seb128> especially with GNOME choice of "less useful" ones
[16:17]  * didrocks doesn't really like having a date by default, but unsure how popular this is
[16:17] <seb128> didrocks, because of the symetry? ;)
[16:18] <seb128> or you don't like to know that today is not friday
[16:18] <seb128> well except today :p
[16:18] <didrocks> seb128: not even… I like having less stuff on top panel, maybe
[16:18] <didrocks> well, I have the day of the week, (maybe it's even too much)
[16:18] <didrocks> I only care about the time
[16:18] <kenvandine> didrocks, aday doesn't seem to even want the day of the week
[16:18] <didrocks> I would agree with him :)
[16:19] <didrocks> but I'm unsure how widespread this idea is
[16:19] <gQuigs> I'd rather have just the date and not the day..  obligatory https://xkcd.com/1179/
[16:19] <didrocks> it's weird to only have the day of the week + hour and not the whole date OR just the hour, though
[16:19] <didrocks> but this is really IMHO
[16:20] <jbicha> some users really don't like seeing the DOW (day of the week) in the top bar
[16:20] <kenvandine> yeah, i don't find the day useful
[16:20] <didrocks> I guess it's either whole date (DOW + date + hour) or just hour
[16:20] <kenvandine> but the date would be useful to me
[16:21] <didrocks> the current situation is weird IMHO
[16:21] <kenvandine> agreed
[16:21] <didrocks> so yeah, I would be in aday's camp :)
[16:22] <jbicha> didrocks: I mentioned earlier that in GNOME 3.27 you can get date without weekday
[16:22] <seb128> that wouldn't even be a discussion/issue if they accepted that users have different preferences and added common settings to g-c-c
[16:23] <seb128> k, I need to step out for half an hour, bbl
[16:24] <didrocks> jbicha: yeah, but it's a settings still… I try to run our default experience :p
[16:40] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, was there already a bug report for bug #1748273 ?
[16:40] <oSoMoN> I vaguely remember discussing that issue with you already
[16:52] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, we have discussed it, not sure if there is a bug
[16:52] <kenvandine> i have a branch of the helpers that attempted to handle it
[16:52] <kenvandine> but didn't work
[16:55] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, right, I remember now about that branch of yours
[16:55] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, well, now we have a bug report for it :)
[16:56] <oSoMoN> not sure where you track bugs for gnome app snaps, but you might want to mark them affected too
[16:56] <kenvandine> https://github.com/Ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/issues/23
[16:56] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, ^^
[16:58] <oSoMoN> ack, thx
[17:00] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, i really thought my branch would have worked :)
[17:27] <jbicha> seb128: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/1.10.4-1ubuntu1
[17:27] <jbicha> it will need someone to promote libteam to main for it to migrate, so maybe on Monday?
[17:44] <tsimonq2> Hi, this bug is breaking Lubuntu Next: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1668722
[17:44] <tsimonq2> I was directed here because it's an xorg bug
[17:44] <tsimonq2> I could try to fix it, but I don't know the X stack well
[17:45] <tsimonq2> Is there anyone in particular that has more insight on this?
[18:00] <willcooke> tsimonq2, you might need tjaalton but he's probably EOD now
[18:01] <willcooke> and with than hit-n-run, it's EOW for me.  Night all
[18:01] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Ok, I'll poke on Monday
[18:01] <tsimonq2> o/
[18:36] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[18:39] <seb128> have a nice w.e desktopers
[18:40] <kenvandine>  good night seb128
[19:09] <oSoMoN> have a good one!
[19:52] <tjaalton> tsimonq2: ok, let's fix this on monday
[20:08] <tsimonq2> tjaalton: sure, I have to be up at 6 AM UTC-6 for school, I might ping you around then if that's OK
[20:08] <tsimonq2> (I have to be at school for 7 AM >.<)
[20:09] <sarnold> *shudder*
[20:11] <tsimonq2> I am *so* looking forward to not having to deal with this once I graduate
[20:12] <tsimonq2> s/this/that/
[23:17] <tsimonq2> tjaalton: Turns out this isn't an xorg bug after all.
[23:54] <tsimonq2> tjaalton: So one thing I did find that's irrelevant to the problem I'm having but should probably be fixed anyway is that debian/local/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path in Ubuntu sets $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS regardless if it's already set or not, which goes against the XDG spec.
[23:57] <tsimonq2> tjaalton: "If $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is either not set or empty, a value equal to /etc/xdg should be used." key word being "If"


[11:52] <Chislon> my attention is elsewhere for a bit though, ill return later, thank you
[11:52] <delire> nova: are the agp modules loaded?
[11:52] <Madpilot> afternoon all... can someone give me the commands to get a new SATA HDD recognized by Ubuntu? It's plugged in but I can't find the BASH commands needed...
[11:52] <nova> checking
[11:52] <ompaul> Shiggity, well even more fun is if you have something like qemu and say dsl.iso on the machine (damn small linux) or maybe kubuntu.iso if you have a lot of ram and then you can run an iso on a running system, follow that with XEN and uml and watch their minds expand
[11:52] <delire> adam: hmm never played this in linux.
[11:52] <nova> yup
[11:52] <disasm> signius: ah, i didn't know that, I've only used hte garmin standard
[11:52] <adam> delire : thx
[11:52] <mz2> adam, you might be able to, check http://www.transgaming.com/ to see if it's among those games that are supported
[11:52] <kent> thoreauputic, well, I heard about a schedule some time ago, and I would like to see it to see if it said something about when to expect live-cd's to test.. :)
[11:52] <delire> ompaul: hehe
[11:52] <adam> mz2 thx
[11:52] <signius> this is driving me frigging mad
[11:53] <adam> i will back
[11:53] <disasm> signius: are you using gpsman or something else?
[11:53] <delire> nova: rmmod them from outside of X and try to start X again? then glxinfo
[11:53] <Shiggity> ompaul, XEN and UML? I do not currently see where these apply....
[11:53] <nova> k
[11:53] <Chislon> if i want to install a program with this, do i do it the same as i do with mandriva?
[11:54] <thoreauputic> kent: hmm - I'm not  a developer, but those dates I gave are about right: usually there are several interim testing releases of CDs as well
[11:54] <dennis__> Hello.
[11:54] <Chislon> why is it that freebsd doesnt use gnome or kde by default and that the linux things all seem to like those best?
[11:54] <delire> nova: short of that, i would have to look at your machine. the only other issue i have come across is this issue with framebuffer support getting in the way. see xorg.conf for signs of this option.
[11:54] <signius> WOO HOO
[11:54] <delire> signius: working?
[11:54] <Zodiac> accidently closed there
[11:54] <Zodiac> he he
[11:54] <disasm> signius: what did you do?
[11:54] <Zodiac> So guys, you have to create an icons folder in Home right?
[11:54] <signius> would you believe the frigging connector on the back of the GOS wasnt 100% connected properly
[11:54] <ompaul> Shiggity, in making play grounds that you can run on a single server, so that lots of sand boxes and when they get broken you can bring them up to the same point in the lesson
[11:54] <signius> only 95%
[11:54] <delire> sigh ;)
[11:54] <synd> Zodiac: no.
[11:55] <signius> it was fuxxing working all along
[11:55] <synd> Zodiac: there is a .icons folder already
[11:55] <forced> Chislon: Because the default desktop is based on the distribution. Just because it's BSD or Linux doesn't mean anything.
[11:55] <dennis__> I'm trying to install the Nvidia sound drivers...and the installer is asking for my kernel source tree...how do I install this?
[11:55] <signius> that caused me bloody hours of agro
[11:55] <spanglesontoast> why cannot you install the driver from ati's site?
[11:55] <Zodiac> hmm
[11:55] <Zodiac> I dont see one
[11:55] <synd> Zodiac: its a hidden folder
[11:55] <Zodiac> ahh
[11:55] <delire> Nvidia sound drivers??
[11:55] <Shiggity> ompaul, do you have any documents or examples where I may be able to research further into this?
[11:55] <synd> Zodiac: the . means its hidden
[11:55] <Chislon> forced, well i mean why is it that FreeBSD decided on xfce over the others?
[11:55] <nova> brb
[11:55] <ompaul> Shiggity, I point you at uncle google
[11:55] <Chislon> also do you all recommend freebsd if im just not doing servers but using it more as a desktop/workstation
[11:55] <delire> nova: luck. you have every right to be pissed at this stage ;) very patient u r.
[11:55] <signius> disasm thanks for you hel all the same tho man
[11:55] <Shiggity> ompaul, Good call ;)
[11:56] <forced> Chislon, Ask FreeBSD. :P Maybe they wanted a lighter desktop. Gnome/KDE are kind of considered bloated.
[11:56] <JDahl> Chislon, we cant tell you why BSD (or any other distro for that matter) do as they do... but we might be able to help with Ubuntu questions
[11:56] <disasm> signius: lok ;-) yeah, I just tested with NMEA and got it working here too with it
[11:56] <signius> you was part of me establishing the solution
[11:56] <ompaul> Shiggity, used by ISPs for making many servers on single boxes
[11:56] <dennis__> I liked FreeBSD
[11:56] <Chislon> forced, this is the FreeBSD channel :)
[11:56] <dennis__> lol
[11:56] <disasm> signius: what are the differences between NMEA and the proprietary protocol? do you know?
[11:56] <forced> ... Odd, says #ubuntu to me.
[11:56] <Zodiac> uh oh, I still dont see it...
[11:56] <Chislon> oh
[11:56] <Chislon> no it snot
[11:56] <Chislon> lol
[11:56] <Chislon> ok
[11:56] <Chislon> sorry
[11:56] <wawa> Hi guys, anyone running terminal in desktop background using Eterm and Devilspie?
[11:56] <Chislon> thanks
[11:56] <forced> Heh.
[11:56] <dennis__> Freebsd is great but its support of new stuff sucks
[11:56] <IcemanV9> Chislon: FreeBSd does NOT stand by any desktop management such as KDE, gnome or XFCE
[11:56] <Kartagis> dennis__: it's usually ./configure --with-kernel=/wherever/kernel/source/is
[11:56] <synd> Chislon: uh
[11:56] <Chislon> oh ok
[11:56] <signius> garmin has some features that NMEA doesnt i think loads of software doesnt understand garmin on NMEA
[11:56] <dennis__> Hmmm
[11:56] <toxicfume> hi alll
[11:56] <synd> os x made freebsd what it is
[11:56] <IcemanV9> Chislon: FreeBSD stands on their OS; that's it.
[11:56] <Chislon> sorry i got confused, but im basically trying to decide between ubuntu or freebsd
[11:57] <signius> as i only really use my GPS for cordinates the extra features arent really of any use to me
[11:57] <toxicfume> my Intel PRO Wireless 2200 wireless card in my laptop is not working in ubuntu, how do i get it to work?
[11:57] <adam> how to install
[11:57] <dennis__> Chislon, what are you using the pc for?
[11:57] <devazion> synd: GNUStep pwns
[11:57] <Chislon> IcemanV9, ok, the freesbie, which is the livecd comes with xfce on it is why i asked
[11:57] <Kartagis> dennis__: of course, I may be wrong. do a ./configure --help
[11:57] <IcemanV9> Chislon: it is easy to install in FreeBSD or Ubuntu
[11:57] <disasm> signius: yeah, same here, so are you using gpsman, or something else?
[11:57] <dennis__> okay...
[11:57] <Zodiac> I dont seem to have a .icons folder
[11:57] <ompaul> Shiggity, if you were to do something this and lets say do something like run a repository that was closed only to the students - it would give them the exact files they should have - messy but if you planned it right it would be brilliant, beyond a thousand suns
[11:57] <IcemanV9> Chislon: ohh!! that makes sense.
[11:57] <forced> Chislon, Try them both. Heh.
[11:57] <adam> how to install Cedega,
[11:57] <adam> ?
[11:57] <adam> please
[11:57] <Kartagis> hi. I have a problem telnetting in my eggdrop. I know this sounds like an eggdrop problem but it is a telnet problem.
[11:57] <Kartagis> can you help me with it? it always freezes at Trying <IP_ADDRESS>... / Connected to <IP_ADDRESS>. / Escape character is
[11:57] <Kartagis> '^] '. stage
[11:57] <adam> how can explain to me
[11:57] <synd> Zodiac: type cd ~/.icons in a term
[11:57] <delire> adam: transgaming.com has the answer no?
[11:58] <adam> yes
[11:58] <Chislon> im did the ubuntu freecd and am trying to get the freebsd one to work
[11:58] <adam> but
[11:58] <IcemanV9> Chislon: freesbie does NOT assoicated with FreeBSD.
[11:58] <adam> when i dowload
[11:58] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: mkdir ~/.icons then :)
[11:58] <disasm> signius: really all i use the software for is to e-mail wp's of places I've been back and forth with my dad
[11:58] <adam> i dont know how to execute
[11:58] <adam> :s
[11:58] <signius> using gpsdrive at the moment
[11:58] <signius> but i want ot get it working under kismet
[11:58] <Chislon> IcemanV9, oh ok, i just saw that htats hwat htey had on it and knew that ubuntu had the gnome and kubuntu the kde
[11:58] <Zodiac> yea I guess it doesnt exist
[11:58] <delire> adam: you have the *.bin file?
[11:58] <Zodiac> stange
[11:58] <IcemanV9> Chislon: they created their OWN distro based on FreeBSD in Italy
[11:58] <delire> adam: or the *.sh file
[11:58] <adam> a moment
[11:58] <dennis__> FreeBSD is great for basic workstations
[11:58] <dennis__> and servers
[11:58] <signius> I will try gps man now
[11:58] <Shiggity> ompaul, I may have to look into this...I would like to do some teaching as a 'side project' once I"m outin the work force.
[11:58] <IcemanV9> Chislon: no problem :)
[11:58] <signius> just to double check everything
[11:58] <Chislon> dennis__, i want to get into programming, i hear starting with python is good, and id like to do blendering and stuff, id also like to do flash like stuff, flash is for windwos though, but i dont know if there is an equivalent linux type software or bsd software?
[11:59] <mrchicago> bash script
[11:59] <delire> Shiggity: good for you.
[11:59] <Zodiac> synd do you think that is a problem?
[11:59] <Chislon> im not doing server stuff at all
[11:59] <dennis__> Then BSD is not for you...
[11:59] <thoreauputic> Zodiac: you can also drag icon themes onto the themes dialog in gnome
[11:59] <dennis__> Use a linux distro
[11:59] <Zodiac> hmm
[11:59] <adam> how i can download?
[11:59] <nova> no diffrence
[11:59] <disasm> ooh wow, thats a lot slicker than gpsman
[11:59] <Zodiac> lemme try that I suppose
[11:59] <nova> i got to head off for like a hour
[11:59] <mrchicago> hey ? does ubuntu have drivers for usb haupuagge
[11:59] <adam> i must subscrib???
[11:59] <mrchicago> tv cards
[11:59] <delire> adam: yes
[11:59] <Chislon> dennis__, why do you say that, just so i cna understand please? i thought you said it was good for workstation, is that what using it for programming and such is?
[11:59] <adam> oh no!
[11:59] <synd> Zodiac: did you try cd ~/.icons ?
[11:59] <adam> i'm french ^^
[11:59] <dennis__> Well, if you want to use flash, it isn't a good choice....


[13:33] <elacheche> ping guys! can you please join us on #ubuntu-africa & #ubuntu-arabic → And please make sure to add those channels to you favorite ones!
[13:41] <elacheche> ping theShirbiny :)
[13:46] <theShirbiny> hey elacheche
[13:50] <elacheche> did you seen my msg?
[13:51] <elacheche> ping guys! can you please join us on #ubuntu-africa & #ubuntu-arabic → And please make sure to add those channels to you favorite ones!
[13:54] <theShirbiny> elacheche: nope, didn't see that one before, are they offcial?
[14:03] <elacheche> Yes! #ubuntu-africa is almost new.. But the other one is official and it's dead!
[14:04] <elacheche> in #ubuntu-locoteams when you ask for help in arabic the guys tell you to go to #ubuntu-arabic .. as it's dead how can people find help
[14:11] <elacheche> BTW theShirbiny.. I'm anis from #ubuntu-tn :)
[14:13] <theShirbiny> nice to meet you anis :)
[14:14] <theShirbiny> I'm there now


[23:02] <lfaraone> visiting https://staging.launchpad.net/ gives a 503 "caused by our database being temporarily offline.". Knownbug?
[23:43] <Oraclox> Hello!
[23:45] <Oraclox> is this channel about the Texas Instruments launchpads?
[23:58] <cjwatson> Oraclox: No, it's about the software hosting site launchpad.net.