[00:00] <Riddell> yofel: could you install this and tell me if it works?
[00:00] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-common_0.14_all.deb
[00:00] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/language-selector-kde_0.14_all.deb
[00:01] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca4; kcmshell4 language-selector
[00:06] <yofel> Riddell: will do so in a moment, installing updates here
[00:07] <yofel> Riddell: first:
[00:07] <yofel> Unpacking language-selector-kde (from language-selector-kde_0.14_all.deb) ...
[00:07] <yofel> dpkg: error processing language-selector-kde_0.14_all.deb (--install):
[00:07] <yofel>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pyshared/LanguageSelector/qt/__init__.py', which is also in package language-selector-qt 0.13
[00:08] <Riddell> hmm, he didn't add that conflicts
[00:08] <Riddell> well --force-overwrite that
[00:09] <yofel> Well, it did start by telling me that language support isn't installed completely
[00:10] <yofel> one thing: what does 'Apply' do? Do the action you last selected? or the one you selected on the current tab? or the ones you selected on every tab?
[00:12] <yofel> I only have english installed, I can select that on the uninstall tab, but I can't deselect it, rever will disable the apply button, but english is still selected and I can't select it again
[00:12] <yofel> s/rever/revert/
[00:12] <yofel> err. reset
[00:13] <Riddell> ok so it's generally working for you
[00:13] <Riddell> for some reason it refused to believe there was such a module as language-selector for me, but if I renamed the .desktop file it was fine
[00:13] <yofel> it's generally working, just the apply button is totally confusing, I didn't press it yet
[00:13] <yofel> as I don't understand what it will do
[00:14] <Riddell> the UI isn't quite right yet
[00:14] <yofel> other than that, not bad
[00:14] <Riddell> not sure how to get it just right though, but that can be an issue for post-feature freeze
[00:15] <yofel> It would be nice if the apply button would be glued to the tab, as I expected the button do be disabled when I switched tabs - or the dialog coming up asking me if I want to save my changes or discard them
[00:16] <Riddell> well that's what it was in the previous revision
[00:16] <Riddell> but then it's not properly integrated as a kcontrol module
[00:17] <Riddell> but that might well be better than this
[00:17] <yofel> as currently, I assume pressing apply will install german support that I selected on the first tab and uninstall english support which is selected on the 2nd tab at the same time - not what I want, and I can't change that without restarting the KCM
[00:18] <yofel> wait, or pressing reset, but it's still confusing
[00:19] <yofel> Riddell: is it giving a confirmation dialog after pressing apply or does it simply apply the changes?
[00:19] <Riddell> yofel: it'll ask for your password
[00:19] <yofel> ah
[01:40] <valorie> Riddell: owncloud is v. cool!
[07:02] <Mamarok> I get an error when I try to install owncloud
[07:04] <Mamarok> http://paste.ubuntu.com/570964
[08:32] <bambee> morning
[12:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: where is that package from?
[12:19] <apachelogger> oh
[12:19] <apachelogger> actually your apache2 is defunct
[12:19] <apachelogger> and thus owncloud install fails
[12:19] <apachelogger> whether or not that is good behaviour is arguable
[12:21] <Riddell> Syntax error on line 17 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/kolab:  blame kolab
[12:25] <Riddell> hi bambee, language selector is in!
[12:25] <bambee> I saw that... nice :D
[12:28] <bambee> Riddell: I'll send you a patch for kdebase-runtime in the afternoon
[12:28] <bambee> (drop language-selector patch and bump it to 4.6.0-0ubuntu2)
[12:28] <Riddell> bambee: oh I already did that
[12:28] <Riddell> trivial to do
[12:28] <bambee> oh great
[12:29] <bambee> :)
[12:29] <Riddell> what I'm wondering now is the upgrade hook thing
[12:29] <bambee> i.e ?
[12:30] <bambee> s/i.e/ie/
[12:30] <Riddell> something, and I can't remember what, puts a file in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/
[12:30] <Riddell> which tells kubuntu-notification-helper to call check-language-support
[12:31] <Riddell> and if check-language-support says there's a missing language pack it tells it to run language-selector
[12:31] <Riddell> which presumably needs to be updated now that language-selector is a kcm not standalone
[12:31] <bambee> ohh that
[12:34] <Riddell> I wish I remember what put the file into /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/
[12:34]  * Quintasan doesnt get this whole ownCloud stuff
[12:35] <bambee> incomplete-language-support-kde.note ?
[12:35] <Riddell> bambee: that sounds about right
[12:35] <Riddell> where is that?
[12:35] <bambee> in data/
[12:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: I wish people documented that stuff
[12:36] <bambee> or in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/ when it's installed
[12:36] <Riddell> bambee: ah hah, so that command needs to be updated
[12:37] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/571073/  <--- like that ?
[12:37] <Riddell> bambee: yes
[12:37] <bambee> :)
[12:40] <Riddell> bambee: yofel had some ponderings on the UI, see the irc logs from last night
[12:41] <bambee> Riddell: ok
[12:43] <bambee> where I can find irc logs btw ? (except my client, because I was disconnected)
[12:43] <Riddell> irclogs.ubuntu.com
[12:43] <bambee> nice :)
[12:48] <bambee> Riddell: revert "Apply" when the user switch tab is a good idea... revert or ask for changes
[12:53] <Riddell> yes
[13:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Are rbelem's changes for Samba already in our packages?
[13:24] <bambee> yofel: in your opinion, revert apply on every tab changes is correct ?
[13:25] <yofel> that's what I think is easiest to understand, as it's easy to do a change on one tab currently, then decide not to apply it, change another tab and forget the changes on the other tab might still get applied
[13:27] <bambee> actually changes are applied only for the current tab (not for all)
[13:28] <yofel> ah, then it's still confusing that apply is still enabled when switching to another tab that I didn no changes to
[13:28] <bambee> and I changed code to revert "apply" when the current tab change, it seems good
[13:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes
[13:28] <bambee> yofel: I agree
[13:28] <yofel> bambee: ok, I can live with that
[13:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: Kinda can't find it :(
[13:28] <bambee> that's why revert "apply" when the current tab changes is a good idea.. I think
[13:30] <Riddell> Quintasan: what version of kdenetwork-filesharing do you have?
[13:31] <Quintasan> 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu4
[13:31] <Riddell> Quintasan: and the share tab in file properties shows whta?
[13:32] <Riddell> what
[13:32] <Quintasan> oh it worked
[13:32] <Quintasan> turns our it needed a restart
[13:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: Why does it use KPK and not QApt?
[13:33] <bambee> yofel: could you try this patch ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/571106/
[13:35] <bambee> basically: the apply button and selected items are reverted when the current tab changes ;)
[13:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: packagekit is cross distro
[13:35] <Quintasan> Hmm, right.
[13:36] <Quintasan> That went upstream, didn't it?
[13:36] <Riddell> yes this samba support is upstream
[13:37] <Quintasan> How long do they plan to keep the X stack broken?
[13:37] <Quintasan> FFS
[13:38] <yofel> bambee: much better :)
[13:38] <bambee> yofel: hehe :)
[13:54] <bambee> Someone could commit the following patch in lp:language-selector for me ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/571112/
[13:55] <bambee> (I'm at university there)
[13:56] <Riddell> bambee: yes but could you use paste.kde.org?
[13:56] <Riddell> I can't wget with p.u.c which makes it so much more hassle
[13:56] <bambee> sure
[13:57] <bambee> http://paste.kde.org/5673/
[13:59] <Riddell> hmm, I think that patch suffers from the annoying konsole putting spaces at the end of lines issue
[14:00] <bambee> aaarfff
[14:00] <Riddell> I've applied it by hand
[14:01] <bambee> ok
[14:02] <Riddell> committed
[14:02] <bambee> thanks ;)
[14:03] <Quintasan> I wonder why Strigi is so mentally challenged
[14:03] <Quintasan> Damned KDE keeps mumbling about Strigi turned off and System settings say it is indexing
[14:15] <ScottK> One day we'll all have 16 core CPU netbooks and phones and Strigi will have almost enough CPU.
[14:20] <Quintasan> lol
[14:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: More like "Enough CPU when I create I cluster from these devices"
[14:20] <yofel> yeah, and as soon everyone of use uses SSDs nepomukfilewatch won't be noticible too
[14:20] <ScottK> Maybe.
[16:45] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:15] <lucidfox> How do I select a theme for GTK3?
[18:09] <apachelogger> lucidfox: there is no KDE gui for that I believe
[18:10] <lucidfox> Oops, wait, wrong channel
[18:10] <lucidfox> #kubuntu-devel, I meant #ubuntu-devel
[18:10] <lucidfox> (I was actually looking for any way at all, not necessarily a GUI one)
[18:11] <apachelogger> lucidfox: surely you just need to drop a .gtk-3-rc or somesuch
[19:03] <bambee> yeah... after an upgrade xorg is dead xD
[19:03] <bambee> apparently it drops xserver-xorg-video-nouveau because xorg-video-abi-9.0 is missing
[19:04] <bambee> I probably missed something in dist-upgrade o_O
[19:05] <yofel> erm, there is no nvidia driver for xserver 1.10 yet, so either use old X or nouveau
[19:06] <yofel> or didn't you properly keep all X packages back?
[19:06] <bambee> indeed
[19:06] <yofel> as nvidia-current needs  xorg-video-abi-8.0 and everything else  xorg-video-abi-9.0
[19:06] <bambee> I just upgraded without pay attention
[19:06] <bambee> yofel: no I use nouveau not nvidia-current
[19:06] <yofel> well, nouveau works reasonable here (without 3D)
[19:07]  * yofel installs latest updates
[19:08] <bambee> thanks irssi :D
[19:08] <yofel> ^^
[19:09] <yofel> nothing to update here, seems like todays X rebuilds didn't make it yet to my mirror
[19:12] <bambee> I used the wrong mirror at the wrong time
[19:13] <yofel> feel free to come to #ubuntu+1 - all sorts of breakage currently ^^
[19:29] <bambee> I'm an idiot ! dist-upgrade says me "the following packages will be removed" on my laptop (which works) and I made the upgrade on my desktop o_O
[19:30] <afiestas> is possible to package bluedevil-git before the freeze?
[19:33] <apachelogger> afiestas: if you throw sufficient amounts of money at me :P
[19:35] <afiestas> apachelogger: like an stripper?
[19:35] <apachelogger> yus
[19:35] <bambee> apachelogger: you don't accept cookies ? :P
[19:35] <bambee> or beer ?
[19:35] <apachelogger> no
[19:35] <apachelogger> beer works
[19:35] <bambee> tssss :p
[19:35] <bambee> aaah :)
[19:35] <bambee> or beer with cookies :p
[19:35]  * afiestas throws some beers to apachelogger xD
[19:36] <apachelogger> ouch
[19:39] <afiestas> apachelogger: if needed (because of ubuntu policy or something) I can create a tag
[19:39] <apachelogger> not necessary
[19:39] <apachelogger> time would be good though :S
[19:40] <afiestas> time? to create the package or when we'll releaase 1.1 final?
[19:40] <apachelogger> to create the package
[19:41] <afiestas> sorry >.< no new dependencies though
[20:13] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer_: is it you on this photo? http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072198401_NZJSm
[20:18] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Yes.  That's him.  On the right is the back of apachelogger's head.
[20:19] <ari-tczew> ScottK: are you there as well?
[20:19] <ScottK> Not in that photo.  That's mgraesslin to the left.
[20:23] <apachelogger> the back of my head!
[20:23] <apachelogger> muahahah
[20:23] <apachelogger> also note the stylish position of my badge
[20:24]  * apachelogger actually ran out of options by the end of the week
[20:24] <apachelogger> I could have attached it to a shoe maybe
[20:35] <ScottK> Note how the weight of shadeslayer_'s incredibly_large_and_heavy_but_still_slow laptop causes him to list.  This was not unusual.
[20:36] <ScottK> http://photos.pixoulphotography.com/Events/UDS-Natty/14450330_Xqidv#1072189809_NUEjy is rbelem.
[20:38] <bambee> apachelogger: I love the stylish position of your badge lool
[20:56] <yofel> great, I'm getting dolphin crashes..
[20:57] <yofel> and ptrace: Operation not permitted. is back -.-
[21:01] <yofel> why am I getting a tiff crash when hovering over a .CR2 file o.O? (canon camera raw file) http://paste.kde.org/5717/
[21:02] <yofel> disabled tooltips for now..
[21:14] <micahg> hi, are we fully migrated to QT 4.7 in natty?
[21:14] <ScottK> micahg: Compared to what?
[21:15] <ScottK> We don't ship multiple Qt4 versions.
[21:15] <micahg> ScottK: ok, so everything moves at once (compared to 4.6)
[21:15] <micahg> ScottK: just saw a post on the qt webkit devel list about dropping 4.6 support on trunk
[21:16] <micahg> so, if we're on 4.7 in natty, we're good
[21:16] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.  Qt gives a binary compatibility gaurantee for the life of Qt4, so modulo bugs, things don't have to be rebuilt.
[21:16] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:16] <micahg> ScottK: I'm concerned with webkit security updates once natty releases :)
[21:16] <ScottK> Reasonably so.
[22:04] <debfx> hrm, why is there no language-selector-qt transitional package
[22:10] <Riddell> debfx: it's seeded directly so it should get picked up once kubuntu-meta is refreshed
[22:11] <debfx> Riddell: still it's not a nice way to rename a package
[22:15] <valorie> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/23/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open/
[22:16] <Riddell> ooh
[22:17] <ScottK> Right.  Blogs are the official way the project communicates again.
[22:21] <ScottK> Riddell: When I tried to update today it wanted to remove kubuntu-desktop.
[22:24] <ulysses> Will be availeble Synaptiks on Launchpad for translation? It says no template for it:
[22:24] <ulysses> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/synaptiks
[22:24] <debfx> ScottK: kubuntu-desktop still depends on -qt
[22:24] <maco> ulysses: kde translations are usually done within kde
[22:25] <ScottK> Synaptiks isn't core KDE, so it should ship it's own translations.
[22:25] <ulysses> I found a synaptiks.pot in playground-utils
[22:26] <ulysses> It contains 180 messages, but the template from git contains only 108 messages
[22:27] <debfx_> maco: synaptiks doesn't use the kde infastructure
[22:27] <maco> debfx_: ScottK beat you to it
[22:29] <Riddell> ScottK: that's because kubuntu-meta needs updating
[22:29] <Riddell> I'll do that now
[22:29] <Riddell> ScottK: blogs are better than twitter at least
[22:29] <ScottK> True.
[22:29] <ScottK> Mail to u-d-a would be nice though.


[02:15] <jono> hey folks
[02:15] <jono> are mailing list requests appoved by admins?
[02:15] <jono> I just wanted to see if someone could approve my new mailing list request for https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-accomplishments-contributors
[02:21] <wgrant> jono: No, it's automatic, but it can take a few minutes. That mailing list is set up now.
[02:31] <jono> thanks, wgrant
[07:19] <icedtea> can launchpad host a .tar.gz file with my source code and configure script?
[07:21] <icedtea> and also a ubuntu package, or rpm packages for other distros?
[10:08] <jokerdino> people, translation stat for eog is not updating for Tamil, would you please look into it?
[10:08] <jokerdino> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/ta the last one in the list
[10:08] <jokerdino> *the last one in the first page
[12:05] <therve> Hi!
[12:05] <therve> Is there a way using the API to know if a Ubuntu release is a LTS or not?
[12:06] <czajkowski> therve: just looking at the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[12:07] <therve> czajkowski, right, I'd need a programmatic way to do it if possible
[12:07] <czajkowski> therve: why ?
[12:08] <therve> because I'd need to build an automatic list of Ubuntu releases
[12:08] <therve> and I'd like to have LTS in the name when applicable
[12:08] <geser> have to tried to use "distro-info"?
[12:09] <geser> although it uses it's own data source
[12:10] <therve> nope I haven't
[12:12] <therve> geser, it may do the trick, thanks
[12:14] <doko> hi
[12:14] <doko> https://code.launchpad.net/~doko/gcc/4.7
[12:16] <doko> is there any way to speed this up, e.g. doing a manual import? see as well bug 945503
[12:25] <therve> Ah
[12:25] <therve> FWIW, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ is what I needed
[13:31] <caribou_> I have a noob question regarding PPA : is this mandatory to create one entry for each target distro (i.e. lucid, maverick, natty, etc) or it is possible to upload only one package that could install on any target ?
[14:14] <geser> Caribou: depends on the software; compiled software often needs to get recompiled as the used libraries might have changed (-> different package dependencies)
[14:14] <Caribou> geser: no, it's an "all scripts" package, which would translate to a 'noarch' in RPMese
[14:15] <geser> Python sofware on the other hand might work if the lucid package gets copied to later releases
[14:15] <geser> if it's just script it should work if you upload the source package to lucid and copy it forward to later releases
[14:15] <Caribou> I don't mind creating one package per target, I just want to avoid useless duplication if necessary
[14:16] <Caribou> geser: ah, good idea, let me try that
[14:18] <Caribou> geser: thanks, looks like this might be what I'm looking for :)
[17:40] <mounirb> Does launchpad offer a bridge to bugzilla? If 2 organizations one uses Launchpad and the other use bugzilla, can they co-operate on resolving the bugs?
[19:23] <svwilliams> I apologize if this is the wrong channel, but does anyone know a project that has both a git repository for thier development and maintain a copy in launchpad
[19:24] <sinzui> mounirb, Lp does sync bugs status (and sometimes comment) for modern bugzilla. Lp wrote the plugin to sync bugzilla bugs and the plugin is provided by default by bugzilla no. All you need to do is register the bug tracker with Lp (it will detect the sync) for each bug in Lp you want to add a bug watch to the report bug tracker. Statuses are updated daily
[19:25] <sinzui> svwilliams, https://code.launchpad.net/nova does.
[19:26] <mounirb> sinzui - excellent and thank you for your reply - Does Launchpad has the same for Jira?
[19:26] <svwilliams> sinzui, fantastic thats exactly what I needed to see
[19:28] <sinzui> mounirb, No. There is an existing feature request to support jira
[19:28] <sinzui> mounirb, Bug #157488
[19:29] <mounirb> sinzui, great I will subscribe to that bug
[19:47] <davmor2> Hey guys the fact that unknown rated bugs are set above critical is that a bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/~<username>
[19:57] <lifeless> davmor2: whats the actual page you are looking at?
[19:58] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~davmor2
[19:59] <davmor2> lifeless: I see 5-6 unknown then all the criticals, highs, mediums
[20:00] <lifeless> so yes, I'm fairly sure that is deliberate - unknown is untriaged which means it could be critical
[20:01] <lifeless> (and triaging it will both move it on and make its status clear
[20:02] <davmor2> lifeless: that's okay I wasn't sure if it was deliberate or not


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