[08:11] <tsdgeos> Saviq: somebody infected trunk with tags
[08:11]  * tsdgeos runs the script
[08:12] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10498860/
[10:34]  * popey tickles mzanetti  with bug 1396817
[10:35] <popey> oh, Saviq got it :)
[10:35] <mzanetti> popey, ack, noted
[12:22] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ping
[12:22] <tsdgeos> dandrader: hi
[12:22] <dandrader> tsdgeos, Do you run unity8-dash on your desktop to test it?
[12:22] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yaeh
[12:23] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so you pass -mousetouch to it?
[12:23] <tsdgeos> dandrader: yeah
[12:23] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok
[12:24] <tsdgeos> otherwise can't pull up the manage dahs
[12:24] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yeah.
[12:24] <dandrader> tsdgeos, do you also use run.sh?
[12:24] <tsdgeos> sometimes, not usually
[12:25] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I'm thinking that things like "make tryShell" & friends mostly replaced run.sh
[12:25] <tsdgeos> hmm
[12:25] <tsdgeos> not really
[12:25] <tsdgeos> run gives you unity8 and unitt8-dash
[12:25] <tsdgeos> and you can play with the interactions between them
[12:25] <dandrader> tsdgeos, as least I personally never used run.sh since the make tryFoo stuff came up
[12:26] <dandrader> tsdgeos, hmm, that might be. I don't do any unity8-dash development
[14:39] <paulliu> I got Xorg Segmentation fault when run "make testXXXXX". Anyone havethe same problem? I'm using intel_drv
[14:39] <dandrader> never seem that before
[14:41] <Saviq> paulliu, probably best to make xvfbtestXXXX
[14:41] <Saviq> paulliu, unless you need to see what's happening
[14:41] <paulliu> Saviq: yeah. xvfb works great.
[14:41] <Saviq> paulliu, I have seen that happen, the window creation/destruction seems to cause compiz to panic, and sends Xorg down the drain sometimes
[14:44] <Saviq> dandrader, a small one for you https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-parallel-build/+merge/251455 :)
[14:47] <dandrader> Saviq, have you tried that with Ninja? that looks strinkingly similar to the ninja fixes tsdgeos did a while ago
[14:47] <Saviq> dandrader, yup, that's how I found the issue
[14:47]  * Saviq using ninja by default
[14:47] <tsdgeos> yeah you can't do MockLightDM
[14:48] <tsdgeos> i'll break the mock tests
[14:48] <tsdgeos> since it links to it directly with rpath
[14:48] <Saviq> oh
[14:48] <Saviq> ok so in this case makes sense
[14:48]  * Saviq reverts
[14:48] <tsdgeos> and thus the magic we do of changing the mock with LD_LIBRARTY_ÂTH breaks
[14:49] <dandrader> tsdgeos, btw, now with the unified lightdm mocks there's only a single mock lightdm library. so less lib path juggling is needed
[14:50] <tsdgeos> ah
[14:50] <tsdgeos> maybe
[14:50] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so maybe this could come back in now?
[14:52] <tsdgeos> if it works both with and without ninja sure
[14:53] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so this was a run-time problem?
[14:53]  * Saviq will let jenkins to run on that then
[14:54] <tsdgeos> Saviq: make testsomething yes
[14:54] <tsdgeos> dont' remember exactly the one that failed
[14:54] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fine, will rely on jenkins
[14:54] <Saviq> dandrader, can you merge trunk in lp:~phablet-team/ubuntu-keyboard/shellRotation please?
[14:55] <dandrader> Saviq, ok
[14:55] <dandrader> Saviq, hey, what about that silo with the port-to-mirevent.2.0 stuff?
[14:56] <Saviq> dandrader, oops, coming right up
[15:04] <dandrader> Saviq, lp:~phablet-team/ubuntu-keyboard/shellRotation is now up to date
[15:05] <Saviq> dandrader, thanks
[15:09] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so I will let you review https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/fix-parallel-build/+merge/251455 , ok?
[15:10] <tsdgeos> dandrader: ok
[15:34] <Trevinho> mterry: hey... aren't there deb's for amd64? as my WM was not amrhf...
[15:35] <mterry> Trevinho, oh huh -- I thought it used to make those too
[15:35] <mterry> Trevinho, but you're right, it isn't making them now
[15:36] <Trevinho> mterry: well, I can build them...
[15:36] <mterry> Trevinho, yeah...  I guess that's the way forward
[15:37] <mterry> Trevinho, sorry :-/
[15:37] <Trevinho> mterry: no worries at all
[15:37] <Trevinho> mterry: thank you for looking into that...
[16:13] <mterry> josharenson, I've added some details to the checklist items...  and mentioned some tests
[16:14] <mterry> josharenson, I don't think we need to deliver anything like testability mocks for other components to use (we'll reuse unity8's existing --testability flag and such)
[16:14] <mterry> josharenson, though maybe someone would like a way to mock the users on the system in greeter-only mode?
[16:15] <mterry> josharenson, would would mean loading our fake liblightdm even in greeter-only mode as an opt-in I guess
[16:15] <mterry> josharenson, I could see autopilot tests wanting to do that
[16:16] <mterry> josharenson, OK.  Captured that in card
[16:16] <mterry> josharenson, I think that's good enough for testing purposes?
[16:18] <greyback__> mterry: anyone ever complain (before me) that in the welcome wizard list of Wifi APs, you need to tap the checkbox to select it, tapping the rest of list item does nothing?
[16:19] <mterry> greyback, yeah I think that is a bug that Cimi was looking at at some point
[16:19] <greyback> ok, glad it not just me
[16:20] <Cimi> greyback, was annoying me too
[16:20] <Cimi> greyback, can you check is the same on system settings or just wizard?
[16:20]  * greyback wants way to kill the welcome tutorial too
[16:20] <greyback> as I never get it right first time
[16:20] <greyback> "you almost got it" - I did get it you dumbass
[16:58] <kgunn> greyback: isn't it phablet-config edges-intro --disable
[16:58] <greyback> kgunn: sure, but that's less fast than tapping the "skip intro" button screen
[16:59] <kgunn> greyback: you sir, obviously need more edge training
[16:59] <greyback> kgunn: make me a card then ;)
[16:59] <kgunn> lol
[17:27] <dandrader> Cimi, talking about  welcome wizard's wifi selection page: is there a bug report complaining that after you select and connect to an access point, the list doesn't scroll all the way up to show it?
[17:29] <Cimi> dandrader, yeah... I think is a bug also for indicators
[17:29] <dandrader> Cimi, so we do have a bug report about it
[17:29] <dandrader> ?
[17:29] <Cimi> dandrader, somewhere...
[17:29] <Cimi> if i remember
[17:30] <Cimi> dandrader, we probably want to google for it
[17:32] <Cimi> cannot find it...
[17:33] <dandrader> Cimi, yeah, I don't think there's one
[17:33] <dandrader> gonna report it them
[17:35] <Cimi> dandrader, I think is desired behaviour O_O
[17:36] <Cimi> but let's see
[17:36] <dandrader> Cimi, no sense in that. maybe I didn't explain myself properly.
[17:37] <Cimi> dandrader, I understood
[17:38] <Cimi> dandrader, not sure though it should scroll up or not
[17:39] <Cimi> like I see valid points on both :/
[17:40] <Cimi> I dislike both :/
[17:41] <dandrader> Cimi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1427311
[17:42] <dandrader> Cimi, scrolling up or not, it should give an immediate visual feedback that the connection succeeded.
[17:42] <Cimi> dandrader, that probably would be solved if we did have a panel
[17:42] <Cimi> dandrader, where we show the indicator with the correct connection
[17:43] <Cimi> dandrader, I agree though that the feedback is almost absent
[17:43] <Cimi> dandrader, only thing we do is setting label to "continue"
[17:44] <dandrader> Cimi, is "Ubuntu UX" the correct project to add to this bug?
[17:45] <Cimi> dandrader, yes
[17:45] <dandrader> Cimi, ok, done


[13:06] <AsciiWolf> hello! is there someone who could update torbrowser-launcher in Ubuntu Focal? It is currently broken on new installs because the old tor browser dev public key is not used anymore, needs simple patch from Debian
[13:06] <AsciiWolf> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torbrowser-launcher/+bug/1856895
[13:06] <AsciiWolf> here is the patch from Debian: https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-privacy-team/torbrowser-launcher/-/commit/72b87f502af0666954d9ae9f51b794d546e1ab6c
[13:11] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: that will need to follow the SRU process please, if you're volunteering?
[13:12] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: preferably a straightforward cherry-pick of the signature change only - that'll require the least effort from everyone and will presumably fix the problem?
[13:17] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, I am unfortunately too busy with other work stuff at the moment :/ but hopefully I will have some free time at the weekend...
[13:18] <AsciiWolf> what exactly is needed to prepare the SRU? the last SRU I did was years ago so I don't remember
[13:20] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: process documented here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[13:21] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: in summary: preparing the package update, some thinking and explaining in the bug, and testing the SRU after it's accepted into the proposed pocket
[13:22] <AsciiWolf> ok, thanks!
[15:56] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, hi, one more question: is it possible to easily make a diff from the new package version in Debian (or Ubuntu Groovy after the package is updated there) when compared to the old one in Ubuntu Focal? :)
[15:57] <AsciiWolf> so I don't have to do all the changes manually
[16:07] <rbasak> AsciiWolf: do you know about the "debdiff" tool? Give it two dsc files and it'll give you a diff.
[16:07] <rbasak> Maybe I don't understand your question?
[16:10] <AsciiWolf> rbasak, I knew about debdiff tool, I just didn't remember its syntax and whether I could use it on dsc files from another distro (Debian)
[16:10] <AsciiWolf> thanks :)
[16:10] <AsciiWolf> I will look at it tomorrow
[16:15] <rbasak> Ah, no problem. Yes, it can do that :)
[16:15] <rbasak> Thank you for looking after this bug!


[11:38] <rbasak> leosilva: o/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-github-docker-docker-credential-helpers/+bug/1813003 is an SRU upload fixing what might be a security issue. I'm not sure it's exploitable but I thought I'd best check with you. Do you want it for the security pocket instead?
[12:52] <leosilva> hey rbasak , i had talked with our wizards , I think an SRU is ok.
[13:00] <rbasak> OK. Thanks!
[19:17] <kees> Oblivion: hello! (if you're interested, there is also #linux-hardening here)
[19:18] <Oblivion> Hiya!
[19:18] <kees> Oblivion: I have one CodeQL search in mind that I haven't started to build
[19:18] <Oblivion> Cool, let me join :)
[19:19] <Oblivion> Tell me all about it! :D


[01:51] <reya276> Is there an application that I can use in Ubuntu to create a windows usb installer?
[11:42] <mianosm> I extended an ntfs drive (one physical drive, with 990 gigs of data on it, and extended it out the other 10) in server 2008, is there anyway that I can mount that volume in ubuntu? parted is only seeing the one parition and there is no fslabal or flags. :(
[11:49] <maxolasersquad_h> mianosm: I'd post back in about an hour and a half when more people are online.
[13:25] <maxolasersquad> It looks like there's an official LibreOffice PPA, ppa:libreoffice/ppa
[13:50] <maxolasersquad> It looks like you have to get rid of OO to install the official LibreOffice packages, and I still had a bunch of warning during install, but once installed it looks much better than the one on the ODF website.
[14:15] <tiemonster> I'm just going to wait until Google buys Oracle
[14:35] <maxolasersquad> tiemonster: If Google buys Wal Mart, then we can be sure the apocalypse is night.
[14:36] <tiemonster> who would want Walmart? ewe.
[14:37] <maxolasersquad> Or, perhaps a merger between Microsoft, Wal Mart and Monsanto.
[14:38] <maxolasersquad> They could call themselves MonRoMart.
[14:43] <maxolasersquad> Then we'd just need Target, Apple and Cascadian Farms to merge so that we could pretend we have choice in the marketplace.
[17:15] <BartDev> Hello everyone
[17:17] <BartDev> I created my own Certificate Authority so that I can generate internal SSL certificates for application testing, now is it possible for me to create DNS zones for these certificates such as test.weapps.net or something like that
[17:28] <mhall119> BartDev: each SSL certificate you issue will have a FQDN in its common name (I think)
[17:28] <mhall119> as long as that matches the FQDN of the host, and as long as the certificate is signed by one your browser trusts, you should be good to go
[18:10] <BartDev> mhall119, ok I understand. Now is there a way in BIND for me to create a Zone such as webdev
[18:12] <BartDev> mhall119, and then create a subdomain called myapp.webdev and call it from the browser such as https://myapp.webdev
[18:12] <BartDev> since is internally it should be possible right
[18:14] <BartDev> it is weird because if I enter localhost it takes me to http://localhost but when I enter webdev it does http://www.webdev.com
[18:15] <BartDev> which it should not since I created a BIND zone
[18:15] <BartDev> do I need to add that somewhere else
[18:19] <BartDev> oh I figured it out, you have to just add it to the host addresses
[18:35] <tiemonster> BartDev: or fully qualify the domain: http://webdev/
[19:19] <DammitJim> is it possible for a webserver to not close an http connection?
[19:20] <DammitJim> where would I see what's going on in terms of connections and queues on apache?
[19:21] <mianosm1> lsof -i
[19:21] <mianosm1> DammitJim:
[19:21] <DammitJim> lsof -i thanks!
[19:22] <mianosm1> or maybe: $sudo lsof -i | grep ESTABLISHED
[19:22] <mianosm1> actually, sudo lsof -i | grep -i apache*
[19:23] <reya276> oh my god check this out funny as hell watch the whole thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
[19:23] <mianosm1> if you stop the webserver the connection will most likely take a moment to die off.
[19:23] <mianosm1> reya276: 11 million views from a video posted back in June... ;)
[19:25] <reya276> huh?
[19:26] <mianosm1> Yes, that video is hilarious.
[19:26] <maxolasersquad> Is that the one where the customer wants the iPhone regardless.
[19:26] <mianosm1> Yes.
[19:26] <maxolasersquad> Note: NSF
[19:26] <maxolasersquad> But it is pretty funny.
[19:28] <mianosm1> DammitJim: was that the information you were looking for?
[19:40] <reya276> oh epic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO8l-Bd1O4&feature=related
[19:51] <DammitJim> yes
[19:51] <DammitJim> but now I found out that this server is running IIS... what a crock of something
[19:52] <mianosm1> IIS on linux?
[19:52] <DammitJim> no lol
[19:52] <DammitJim> another server
[19:52] <DammitJim> brb


[09:14]  * apw yawns
[09:15]  * apw yawns
[09:15]  * ppisati hands apw some coffee
[09:15]  * apw bites your hand off :)
[09:52] <ppisati> brb
[10:31] <ppisati> every time i send a patch upstream i tend to create new and creative ways to bork it...
[11:16] <cking> ppisati, practice makes perfect I suppose
[11:17] <ppisati> cking: right :)
[11:29] <zequence> apw: both kernels ready at ppa:ubuntustudio-kernel/linux-lowlatency-sru
[11:29] <apw> zequence, ta
[11:32] <zequence> apw: Should I do the metas too?
[11:32] <apw> you should, do you know what to do there?
[11:33] <apw> it is a matter of making a new section with the right numbers
[11:33] <apw> in debian/changelog ... typically for lowlatency i have _not_ had a git repo for the metas
[11:33] <apw> as it is not worth it, i just get the one from the archive with pull-lp-source, edit it, and dpk-buildpackage -S
[11:34] <zequence> I was suspecting as much. Alright, I'll prepare them in a moment
[11:53] <apw> zequence, if you want to make a debdiff and pastebin it, i can verify
[11:53] <apw> though they are very simple :)
[11:53] <zequence> apw: sure
[11:55] <zequence> apw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646132/
[11:55] <apw> why do you have a nochange on ther ?
[11:56] <apw> and your diff is backwards ?
[11:56] <apw> zequence, ^^
[11:56] <zequence> apw: I set the release to raring the first time I uploaded
[11:57] <zequence> So, I rebuilt
[11:57] <apw> ahh ... doh
[11:57] <apw> zequence, you'll need to be careful about that one ... you can wreck your PPA and have to dlete it to recover
[11:58] <apw> if you get the series wrong in the wrong way, a later one is probabally ok
[11:58] <apw> and previous one, and all bets are off
[11:59] <apw> zequence, so on your nochange you really should have used -v like for the main kernel
[11:59] <apw> you should use -v always really
[12:01] <zequence> apw: Ok. This is quantal http://paste.ubuntu.com/5646142/
[12:03] <zequence> apw: So, I'll do another nochange build, with -v<previous-published-release>?
[12:08] <apw> zequence, i guess so yes ... it is all a learning experience
[12:08] <apw> zequence, the other one looks great
[12:08] <zequence> apw: O/win50
[12:09] <zequence> sorry :P
[12:09] <apw> heh i do that all the time tooo
[12:18] <zequence> apw: all uploaded. let me know if I should do anything else
[12:59] <rtg_> cking, jsalisbury: rebooting gomeisa for kernel update
[13:09] <rtg_> AceLan_, jjohansen: rebooting tangerine for kernel update
[13:10] <jjohansen> rtg_: ack
[14:23] <ppisati> apw: when yuo have time, can you point me to the script you use for the config review? thanks
[14:38]  * ogasawara back in 20
[14:43]  * henrix -> *really* late lunch
[15:50] <apw> ppisati, kteam-tools.git ... devel ... devel-config-sumarry --html ubuntu-raring outprefix>
[15:50] <apw> ppisati, kteam-tools.git ... devel ... devel-config-sumarry --html <ubuntu-repo> <outprefix>
[15:54] <bjf> apw, heads-up, quantal and precise kernel respins are coming
[15:55] <apw> bjf, again ... sigh
[16:12] <rtg_> apw, can you have a look at raring unstable-3.9 to determine why aufs-update mis-applies aufs3-standalone.patch ? it appears to _not_ get the patch to '+EXPORT_SYMBOL(iterate_mounts);' correctly, causing build failure.
[16:16] <apw> rtg_, will do
[16:16] <rtg_> apw, thanks, back in a few
[16:25] <ppisati> apw: thanks
[16:31] <apw> rtg_, ok ... just rememberd the base and standalone patches arn't updated with the current script, i've just done them by hand and all builds ok
[16:33] <tseliot> apw, cking: do you have any ideas as to what could be causing rfkill to report my wireless card as "Hard blocked"? (the card is enabled in the BIOS)
[16:36] <apw> rtg_, as this builds i'll push it anyhow
[16:36] <rtg_> apw, ack
[16:36] <rtg_> apw, what did you have to so beyond running the aufs-update script ?
[16:36] <rtg_> to do*
[16:37] <apw> rtg_, i just manually reverted and reapplied t
[16:37] <apw> the two anciallary patches
[16:37] <apw> they so rarely change once -rc2 is past the script doesn't track them
[16:37] <apw> maybe it should
[16:38] <apw> in the past they used to have to be wiggled cause they collided with overlayfs, but that seems to not happen now
[16:38] <apw> which can only be luck
[16:39] <rtg_> apw, I'm trying to get sbuild to run with the 3.9 kernel. it insists on having overlayfs and aufs.
[16:39] <apw> it should only need one or the other i would have thoruhg
[16:39] <apw> it seems odd to need both
[16:39] <rtg_> kind of what I thot
[16:42] <cking> tseliot, which card, driver and kernel are you using?
[16:43] <cking> hard to guess w/o being specific..
[16:45] <tseliot> cking: I'm using Broadcom's proprietary driver and here's the rest of the data: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5646858/
[16:50] <cking> tseliot, hrm, is there some physical switch to toggle?
[16:54] <tseliot> cking: no, I don't see any
[16:54] <cking> what machine is it?
[16:54] <apw> tseliot, have you tried toggling it with rfkill, i assume that fails
[16:55] <tseliot> apw: yes, nothing changes
[16:56] <tseliot> cking: it's a Lenovo B475e
[16:58] <cking> tseliot, just curious, but does Fn+F5 do anything?
[17:00] <tseliot> cking: it switches "Soft blocked" in rfkill but that's it
[17:00] <tseliot> it's always Hard blocked
[17:00]  * cking running out of ideas
[17:02] <rtg_> apw, hmm, sbuild seems to be happy now since your aufs update.
[17:07] <apw> rtg_, odd
[17:08] <rtg_> apw, well, I'm good with it.
[17:08] <apw> heh
[17:10] <tseliot> cking, apw: it seems to be a driver regression...
[17:10] <apw> tseliot, as in the binary drivers have regressed
[17:10] <cking> oh joy
[17:11] <tseliot> :)
[17:14] <ogra_> tseliot, did that laptop run windows recently ?
[17:15] <tseliot> ogra_: I have no idea. They shipped it to me last week
[17:15]  * ogra_ remembers a bunch of bcm cards that get into a completely locked state by the windows driver, you can only get them unlocked by using the windows driver again
[17:16] <cking> bet you can faff with the nvram settings to coerce it back
[17:16] <tseliot> loading the previous driver seems to unlock it
[17:16] <ogra_> ah
[17:17]  * ppisati -> workout
[17:17] <ppisati> later
[17:20]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[18:22] <rtg_> bjf, 'causes the hand of cartridge' seems ungrammatical in bug #1159863
[18:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1159863 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "udevadm info --attribute-walk command hangs on Marvel 9125 controller" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1159863
[18:25] <bjf> rtg_, fixed
[18:25] <rtg_> tanks
[19:14] <jdstrand> jjohansen: hey, sorry to bother you-- I was looking at CVE-2013-1858 and it seems that only kernels that have CLONE_NEWUSER are affected, no? the CVE in the tracker is missing the 'break' bit of 'break-fix' which is why, for example, hardy is marked as affected
[19:14] <jdstrand> jjohansen: iiuc
[19:16] <jdstrand> jjohansen: hmm, maybe not, I see that on precise we have CONFIG_USER_NS=y
[19:17] <jdstrand> jjohansen: that said, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=917708#c5 seems to suggest that 5eaf563e53294d6696e651466697eb9d491f3946 is the candidate for 'break'
[19:17] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 917708 in kernel "Re-enable CONFIG_USER_NS" [Unspecified,New]
[19:18] <jjohansen> jdstrand: hrmmm, I'll have to look at it closer but yeah my guess is me need to fill in a commit where this starts causing problems, hardy certainly should not be affected
[19:18] <jdstrand> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=5eaf563e53294d6696e651466697eb9d491f3946
[19:18] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I'm happy to update the CVE to use 5eaf563e53294d6696e651466697eb9d491f3946
[19:19] <jjohansen> jdstrand: be my guest :)
[19:19] <jdstrand> jjohansen: ok, once I do, can you do/coordinate the magic to update the CVE?
[19:20] <jdstrand> jjohansen: it is a 'high', which is why I am in your hair (again, sorry about that)
[19:20] <jjohansen> jdstrand: well there shouldn't be much to coordinate, if all goes well it should work automagically
[19:22] <jdstrand> jjohansen: ok, cool
[19:46]  * ogasawara lunch
[20:01]  * rtg_ -> EOD


[09:52] <silverlion> good morning everyone
[09:56] <popey> hello silverlion
[09:57] <elfy> good morning silverlion popey
[09:58] <silverlion> how is everybody doing?
[09:58] <czajkowski> sleepy and have a cold but happy it's Friday
[09:58] <popey> GREAT!
[09:58] <popey> Happy happy!
[10:00] <czajkowski> EXCELLENT!
[10:09] <silverlion> czajkowski : hope you're feeling better soon
[10:11] <elfy> good here thanks silverlion
[10:11] <elfy> and yea cold better by the weekend czajkowski :)
[10:35] <czajkowski> not looking forward to an 11 hr flight with a cold
[10:35] <czajkowski> :(
[10:36] <elfy> oh good lord - I can imagine :(
[14:32] <belkinsa> popey, have you e-mailed the UW Mailing-list on how to get invoulved in Ubuntu Phone Project?
[14:37] <popey> belkinsa: no, its on my to-do list
[14:38] <belkinsa> Okay, thank you.
[14:38] <belkinsa> And can do you me a favor and join the list but set yourself to NOMAIL so it can be easy on the mod?
[18:18] <ian-weisser> Er, why is one entry in today's Planet Ubuntu a giant advert?
[18:25] <jose> pleia2, mhall119, cprofitt, elfy: ^
[18:26] <jose> http://deshack.net/why-choose-magento-ecommerce-software/ is the post Ian is referring to
[18:26] <czajkowski> yes it'sa tad long
[18:27] <ian-weisser> Ah, looked deeper into it. Open source software. Not the way I'd have done it, but not a hijack.
[18:27] <jose> oh thought you were away :)
[18:28] <jose> still, taking up some good space
[18:28] <ian-weisser> jose: Well, to be fair, I've wasted some width on the Planet myself or rare occasion.
[18:28] <ian-weisser> s/or/on
[18:29] <czajkowski> and some blog posts tends to expand width ways
[18:29] <czajkowski> it's a tad long and maybe could be a follow link for more detail
[18:30] <ian-weisser> I suppose that's that the price we pay for aggregation instead of human editing.
[18:34] <popey> patches welcome! :D
[18:35] <popey> (meaning the code behind planet ubuntu is crufty)
[18:35] <ian-weisser> popey: Crufty how?
[18:35] <popey> olde
[18:36] <popey> unmaintained
[18:36] <popey> smells of wet dogs
[18:36] <popey> you know.
[18:36] <pleia2> popey: where's the code repo? we have no idea what version it's running, whether it's been updated
[18:36] <pleia2> makes it kind of hard to submit a patch
[18:37] <pleia2> all we have exposed is the config stuff: https://code.launchpad.net/~planet-ubuntu
[18:38] <popey> good question
[18:38] <pleia2> Canonical IS isn't exactly good about making the infrastructure anywhere near transparent
[18:39] <pleia2> it would be lovely if I could submit patches instead of tickets :)
[18:39] <popey> I dont think thats fair. IS provision what they're asked to.
[18:40] <popey> The problem is planet ubuntu pre-dates that
[18:40] <popey> and is somewhat orphaned
[18:40] <pleia2> fair? transparency is a fact, not a criticism
[18:40] <popey> my point was that it's not their responsibility
[18:40] <pleia2> I didn't even realize it was orphaned
[18:40] <popey> its the responsibility of the owner
[18:41] <popey> well, I may be wrong, but I don't think anyone has "owned" planet ubuntu for years
[18:41] <popey> the code I mean
[18:41] <pleia2> anyway, it's frustrating when you say "patches welcome" when they're not
[18:41] <pleia2> we have nothing to patch against
[18:41] <popey> well, that was a simple mistake on my part, I assumed the code was on lp
[18:42] <popey> it may indeed be, but I don't know where
[18:42] <pleia2> I've never been able to find it
[18:42] <pleia2> only the configs
[18:42] <popey> ok, I'll take a to-do to fix that
[18:42] <pleia2> great, thanks
[18:44] <pleia2> and my point wasn't to be disparaging against IS, this is pretty much how it is for many of our resources, we don't know how they're set up, configured or anything so all we can do is submit tickets when things go wrong
[18:45] <popey> Right, and that's kinda my point. If they're orphaned, nobody knows, not even us internal people.
[18:46] <popey> which is what we should fix.
[18:46] <popey> i.e. everything should have an owner.
[18:46] <pleia2> yeah, their ownership status is not even clear to us
[18:47] <mhall119> pleia2: popey's point is that, while what you say is true, "us" means everybody, community, canonical, even most of IS
[18:47] <pleia2> mhall119: but the community doesn't have any of the keys to any of this, or influence to change what priorities IS has at Canonical
[18:48] <pleia2> I have an 8 month ticket out there to sort out the disasterous openid transition from launchpad to Ubuntu SSO that prevents newcomers from editing help.ubuntu.com/community without jumping through hoops (I suspect most just give up)
[18:48] <mhall119> pleia2: there's maybe 1 or 2 people in Canonical with the keys to this, and maybe half of those remember anything about it
[18:48] <pleia2> it's terribly frustrating
[18:48]  * ian-weisser is seeing a lot of violent agreement here
[18:49] <mhall119> pleia2: I agree, just wanted to make clear that it's not "us" vs. "them", it's "us" vs. "legacy infrastructure"
[18:49] <pleia2> mhall119: I didn't mean to imply that
[18:50] <mhall119> I know, because I know you, but it sounded a bit like that
[18:51] <popey> Sorry if my "patches welcome" caused offence. Wasn't meant to.
[18:51] <pleia2> popey: just touched a nerve, I've been frustrated for quite some time at our inability to help with these kinds of things directly
[18:52] <popey> got a list?
[18:52] <popey> this is stuff we should facilitate
[18:53] <mhall119> in either case the process is the same, ask IS where the code lives, if it's not in a bzr branch or something available, ask for a copy and put it up somewhere
[18:53] <pleia2> off the top of my head, it would be great if we could submit MPs for planet, wiki configs, mailing list configs
[18:53] <popey> mhall119: and find an owner
[18:53]  * mhall119 assumes if you're asking for it, you're the new owner :)
[18:53]  * popey notes those 3
[18:53] <popey> well, indeed
[18:54] <popey> seems I touched the geolocation code last so now I own that
[18:54] <popey> I'm used to this
[18:54] <pleia2> hehe
[18:54] <pleia2> I'm sure I'll think of more, the pain points show themselves often
[18:55] <popey> pm me with more and I'll add to my to-do list
[18:55] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:55] <popey> whether it's me or someone else who does it I don't know, but I want to get these noted so we can get a handle on it
[18:55] <mhall119> popey: we should replace them all with django
[18:55]  * mhall119 runs
[18:55] <popey> s/django/php/
[18:55] <mhall119> they're probably already php
[18:56] <ian-weisser> mhall119: Speaking of php...AskNot branch review
[18:56] <mhall119> is that PHP?
[18:56] <ian-weisser> It is...somewhat
[18:56] <popey> heh
[18:56] <pleia2> woo asknot
[18:56] <mhall119> asknot what language it's written in, you don't want to know
[18:57] <pleia2> ian-weisser: oh, your site was down the other day when I was trying to show the CC
[18:57] <pleia2> ian-weisser: still down :(
[18:57] <ian-weisser> pleia2: Took it down the temporary site once I had it in a LP branch.
[18:58] <ian-weisser> You can still github the html (non-wordpress) version easily.
[18:58] <pleia2> ian-weisser: ah, ok, some folks were still testing it live, can you share the code submission on list?
[18:58] <pleia2> link?
[18:59] <pleia2> I can toss it up on one of my always-on servers so folks can keep testing
[18:59] <ian-weisser> Github for HTML and Wordpress Child Theme: http://github.com/ian-weisser/asknot
[18:59] <pleia2> thanks
[19:00] <popey> pleia2: when you say "Mailing list configs" do you mean mailman ones? the ones you fettle with the web admin tool usually?
[19:00] <ian-weisser> The LP branch isn't a child theme. A little different; an edit of the exitsing theme, and an additional php function.
[19:01] <pleia2> popey: maybe it's not a big deal, but we do need to submit tickets to get mailing lists added or removed, this turned into a multi-month nightmare the last time the CC tried to clean up old lists, being able to just submit a patch against whatever config mgmt thing they're using for mailing lists to clean up the lists would have been lovely
[19:02] <popey> hmm. okay.
[19:08] <pleia2> it occurs to me that this may be old enough that they're just manually using mailman commands instead of a centralized config
[19:09] <popey> I suspect they are
[19:09] <popey> however, dholbach did an audit recently to ensure lists have owners
[19:10] <pleia2> that's good, I had to submit a ticket recently for ubuntu-marketing since the owner was an @ubuntu.com address who was no longer a member
[19:10] <pleia2> now we have two admins, so yay :)
[19:10] <popey> \o/
[19:10] <popey> a few of us run listadmin regularly too
[19:10] <popey> I'm happy to add any lists you want to my listadmin.ini, if it helps
[19:10] <pleia2> -marketing ended up with thousands of moderated posts over something like 3 years
[19:11] <pleia2> it was a big mess
[19:11] <popey> yeah, devel-discuss was the same
[19:11] <popey> took minutes to load listadmin
[19:11] <pleia2> yeah
[19:11]  * popey glares at ev
[19:12] <pleia2> and thanks, I'll let you know if I need any mod help
[19:12] <popey> I already have 12 lists in my listadmin, so a couple more wont matter ☻
[19:14] <mhall119> famous last words
[19:25] <jcastro> holy smokes
[19:25] <jcastro> marcoceppi,
[19:25] <jcastro> http://goaccess.io/
[19:26] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I like this
[19:37] <ian-weisser> pleia2, mhall119: Sent an asknot update to the mailing list, with links to the GitHub repo and LP branch, explaining the differences, how to test one or the other, and how teams can prepare.
[19:37] <pleia2> ian-weisser: thanks \o/
[19:38] <elfy> ian-weisser: thanks :)
[19:39] <ian-weisser> Sorry to have shut down my experimental server on people; didn't see too many hits that weren't me in the logs.
[19:40] <pleia2> it was just yesterday that I tried to present it to the CC during a hangout
[19:40] <pleia2> didn't save the page source and didn't know where the code was, so I couldn't go any further, I appreciate the email :)
[19:41] <ian-weisser> well, the mailing list has been so quiet recently. Like everybody snuck under a rug and hid.
[19:42] <pleia2> yeah, early january is like that
[19:42] <pleia2> also, it's easy to propose ideas and talk about problems, when it comes to working on them... :)
[19:42] <silverlion> ian-weisser : thanks for the job man. I'm sorry for not replying but my RL kept me pretty much tightend up. and it still does
[19:42] <pleia2> I'm really glad asknot has come out of this at least, it's great
[19:43] <elfy> got to agree with that
[19:43] <ian-weisser> Once asknot is up, it will be a challenge to push and cajole teams into using it
[19:43] <mhall119> thanks ian-weisser
[19:48] <ian-weisser> mhall119: I raised the branch review today not to nag, but because I'll be offline Sat/Sun/Mon. If you happen to look at it then, and have a question...
[19:52] <mhall119> ian-weisser: raised it where?
[19:52] <mhall119> I haven't been involved in the asknot stuff other than keeping a casual eye on it
[20:01] <ian-weisser> mhall119: I raised it here. You're listed as the reviewer in LP. https://code.launchpad.net/~ian-weisser/ubuntu-community-website/asknot-php/+merge/245516
[20:01] <ian-weisser> You magically showed up as the reviwere a few hours after I put in the merge request.
[20:04] <mhall119> l
[20:08] <ian-weisser> Boy, I seem to be full of good news for people today...
[20:09] <pleia2> ian-weisser: everyone is catching up post-holidays, we'll find someone on the community team to review the change :)
[20:16] <ian-weisser> pleia2: I was going to wait until Tuesday, when I'm back, then ping the Ubuntu Community Website Admins team.
[20:17] <mhall119> pleia2: FYI: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-isd-hackers/ubuntu-website/light-planet-theme2
[20:18] <pleia2> mhall119: woohoo, thanks!
[20:18] <ian-weisser> Maybe Wednedsay. The work has really piled up here due to the cold weather.
[20:18] <mhall119> I'm asking the web-team to get this put into a proper LP project so we can start taking those patches popey mentioned
[20:18] <pleia2> mhall119: great :)
[20:18] <ian-weisser> mhall119: Looking forward to seeing the project.
[20:18] <mhall119> that's the theme, the planet code itself is from http://intertwingly.net/code/venus/planet/
[20:19] <mhall119> ian-weisser: it's just the planet ubuntu theme branch,nothing exciting
[20:19] <pleia2> mhall119: and the code deployed is the latest version?
[20:22]  * pleia2 back to work work, so much to do, already friday
[20:34] <mhall119> pleia2: I think we're a revision or two behind: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9700554/ is the git log head
[20:35] <mhall119> well, maybe not....
[20:36] <mhall119> we actually appear to be a revision ahead of their github?
[20:37] <mhall119> ah, it looks like we've got this: https://github.com/nathan-osman/venus
[20:39] <mhall119> for which there is a pull request back into upstream https://github.com/rubys/venus/pull/19
[21:00] <czajkowski> 9pm Friday meetings are boooo :(
[21:03] <silverlion> czajkowski : they definetly are ^^
[21:04] <elfy> depends where ...
[21:04] <elfy> office yep ... dog and duck not so bad :p
[21:11] <czajkowski> at home in my office and inhaling my dinner
[21:11] <czajkowski> :)
[21:12] <mhall119> yeah, those stink
[21:12] <mhall119> just as bad as the very early morning ones
[21:13] <czajkowski> I have a few 8am ones and one evil 7am one
[21:13] <czajkowski> not every day so it's not too bad
[21:14] <mhall119> yeah, I'm not a morning person either, I'd rather have a 9pm than an 8am myself
[21:21] <czajkowski> meh I'm up either way as other half is up or gone
[21:21] <czajkowski> so lights have been on and dog is wired
[21:21] <czajkowski> :)
[21:22] <mhall119> yeah, that doesn't happen around here
[21:22] <mhall119> blake sometimes stays asleep on the couch until 10am
[21:22] <mhall119> lazy mutt
[21:23] <czajkowski> lol


[17:34] <MarkDude> Has Oregon Team gotten the OSCON email?
[17:35]  * MarkDude is willing to apply for Ubuntu's spot if need be
[17:35]  * MarkDude assumes someone else will be able to do this tho :)
[18:07] <philipballew> bkerensa, ^
[20:57] <bkerensa> MarkDude: We have and are not applying this year... Canonical is paying for a booth.
[20:57] <bkerensa> When I officially step down someone will pick up that role along with others
[22:05] <philballew> bkerensa, Are you working the ubuntu booth this oscon or mozilla?
[22:05] <bkerensa> philballew: I am
[22:06] <bkerensa> Myself and three members from our loco will be running it in shifts
[22:07] <philballew> oh nice. Do you still need help?
[22:13] <philballew> bkerensa,
[22:13] <bkerensa> philballew: We wont have any extra passes
[22:14] <bkerensa> philballew: it will be hard enough to get 3 passes this year as it is
[22:14] <bkerensa> philballew: Canonical is paying for the booth so they get to decide how many passes to give our loco
[22:14] <bkerensa> but likely no
[22:15] <philballew> alright, I will be up there most likely, so I should offer myself anyway.


[00:02] <Araneidae> cdparanoia seems to understand it
[00:02] <Araneidae> Not sure if I can persuade it to write an iso file, though
[00:03] <Araneidae> Well, OSX copied one of my CDs ok (got two more to do), so I suspect it's a problem with  ubuntu tools...
[00:04] <Araneidae> I'd rather use the command line, though, if I can
[00:16] <kahrn> does anyone know how to reload the xfce menu?
[00:16] <kahrn> without logging out
[00:24] <kahrn> bah
[00:29] <charlie-tca> Did it go away or did you add to it?
[00:39] <spasticteapot> Does anyone know a good DVD ripper?
[00:39] <cody-somerville> vlc
[00:43] <charlie-tca>  --help
[00:47] <spasticteapot> VLC rips DVDs?
[00:47] <cody-somerville> yes
[03:58] <craigbass1976> sudo apt-get install samba--- will that allow me to mount up shares that are on windows boxes?
[04:12] <batcoder-7> what ftp client do you guys use ?
[04:17] <j1mc> batcoder-7: gftp, or fireftp (that's just my choice... )
[04:17] <batcoder-7> i reallllllly wish my one thing worked
[04:18] <batcoder-7> curlftpfs
[04:18] <batcoder-7> which do you like better?
[04:18] <batcoder-7> gftp or fiterftp ?
[04:23] <Odd-rationale> i use mc (Midnight Commander)
[04:27] <batcoder-7> for ftp Odd-rationale  ?
[04:27] <Odd-rationale> yes.
[04:27] <batcoder-7> dsoes it have a built in client
[04:28] <batcoder-7> or one of those curlftpfs things ?
[04:38] <rob> hello
[04:39] <Guest92367> hello
[04:39] <Guest92367> heh
[04:39] <Guest92367> whose in charge of the xubuntu website?!
[04:40] <Guest92367> they have the default favicon for drupal, so i can sell theyre using drupal
[07:22] <maxamillion> huh
[07:23] <maxamillion> i'll be
[07:30] <migi> hello everyone
[07:31] <migi> have one question: where should one write the IP and DNS addresses in xubuntu (the ones you write in TCP/IP in network addressing on WinXX)?
[07:32] <migi> have one question: where should one write the IP and DNS addresses in xubuntu (the ones you write in TCP/IP in network addressing on WinXX)?
[07:34] <XFCEntral> migi: you configure that with Network Manager. the icon for Network Manager should already show up in your System Tray.
[07:35] <migi> ok, will try. ta!
[07:38] <XFCEntral> migi: clicking the icon in the tray will give you a drop down menu. Choose "Manual Configuration" if you want to specify your TCP/IP information, as well as any DNS. The window that opens might show a few connection types, like Wireless connection and Wired connection. Highlight what you need, and click 'Properties.' Disable roaming mode. Another tab in the Network Settings window allows you to configure DNS
[08:03] <Photoguy> Hello! =D
[08:04] <Photoguy> Hello! =D
[08:06] <Photoguy> Good morning!
[08:06] <Photoguy> Good afternoon!
[08:06] <Photoguy> Good
[08:07] <Photoguy> Sorry!
[08:08] <nikolam> Good..
[08:09] <Photoguy> My client is messed up.
[08:11] <nikolam> what client
[11:13] <sunshine> I switched to gdm from kdm and now i could not restart or shutdown my machine.
[11:13] <sunshine> Where to add anything to change this behaviour.
[11:14] <sunshine> sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm i already tried it
[11:14] <sunshine> anything else?
[11:17] <sunshine> No suggestions?
[11:23] <nikolam> uninstall dkm and reinstall gdm?
[11:26] <sunshine> Yes did this
[11:27] <sunshine> in /etc/X11/default-display-manager there is /usr/sbin/gdm
[12:53] <Ad0> hello
[13:21] <slow-motion> hi
[13:22] <calav3ra> hi
[13:22] <calav3ra> i need to rescue old harddrive data from a old notebook, so which xub.version is faster: 6 or 8 ?
[13:23] <calav3ra> notebook only has 256megs of ram, 2hgz centrino
[13:23] <calav3ra> both versions state the same ram requirements, but i dont believe theme
[14:03] <bdogg> just a quick question: I was wondering if xubuntu 8.10 has the 2.6.28 kernel in its repos yet.  I read that it installs with the 2.6.27 kernel, but I'm looking for up-to-the-minute information here :D
[14:07] <Ad0> how do I get rid of xcb ?
[14:17] <alienkid> hello my cousin just got xubuntu and wants help using remote desktop sharing(we've done it in windows before) but as far as I know xubuntu doesn't come with a VNC server only a client could you perhaps tell me how to get one and set it up?
[14:17] <alienkid> *wants me to help
[14:31] <alienkid> is it impossible?
[14:48]  * cody-somerville stretches.
[16:22] <jxander> how could i check at boot time if there is something plugged in my laptop's vga-out?
[20:31] <bongoman> is evolution email better than thunderbird ?
[20:35] <bongoman> different question:  when activating display-compositing in windowmanager tweaks  all kde program menu fonts arn't readable anymore (such as with k3b open office and amarok) same under gnome  (i am using n mx440 geforce with the proprietery 96 driver from nvidia)
[20:35] <bongoman> somebody can help me?
[20:36] <bongoman> driver downgrade should help, but last time i spent 2 hours in order to get a working driver back
[20:37] <bongoman> i am beginner that's the problem
[20:38] <bongoman> the problem is that my cpu has to do all the work without the help of my graphics board
[20:39] <bongoman> and i can see that simply moving the windows around without compositing drives my cpu mad
[20:39] <charlie-tca> bongoman: here is something to try: go in to User Interface ; make sure at the bottom, Use anti-aliasing is checked,
[20:40] <charlie-tca> also Use hinting:  FULL, Use sub-pixel hinting is checked.
[20:40] <charlie-tca> That seems to help with the fonts
[20:41] <charlie-tca> bongoman: you will have to log-out and log-in again after making those changes. You can make all of them before logging out.
[20:45] <bongoman> where can i fand that setting unter fxce? same menu i gonna have look
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> User Interface
[20:46] <bongoman> sorry i use german system fonts
[20:47] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to translate it, sorry.
[20:47] <bongoman> no prob gonna find it - just wait a moment
[20:49] <bongoman> found it
[20:50] <bongoman> ok now there are 3 options mentioned by you: anti-aliasing , full, and sub-pixel hinting
[20:50] <bongoman> should i try all at the same time or just one after each other
[20:51] <charlie-tca> All should be checked. Then make sure hinting is full.
[20:51] <bongoman> hinting was the thing
[20:51] <bongoman> !!!
[20:52] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:52] <bongoman> thanks a lot !!
[20:52] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. Glad to try.
[20:52] <bongoman> didn't have to restart desktop environment
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Even better
[20:53] <charlie-tca> It is just one of those things I do automatically on fresh installs now.
[20:54] <bongoman> there were smaller problems i had to restart desktop enironment now checking
[20:55] <charlie-tca> It happens
[20:59] <bongoman> hmm
[21:04] <bongoman> now using full hinting with sub pixels + anti aliasing + compositing, problem still there, only the underlines under some letters can be seen the font simply isn't there ?! i am sorry but it didn't work - but my desktop allready looks better and fonts in general are much better to read
[21:05] <charlie-tca> Only other idea I have would be try a different font. Sorry.
[21:05] <pkodon> Yay, it works!
[21:05] <charlie-tca> pkodon: :-) ?
[21:06] <bongoman> hmm ok where can i define them for the kde tools ?
[21:06] <bongoman> sorry
[21:06] <bongoman> i was that happy
[21:06] <pkodon> I finally got my Linksys WMP54G to connect with my work/home's wireless router using WPA!
[21:06] <charlie-tca> bongoman: I don't know, I never use kde
[21:06] <charlie-tca> pkodon: Great!
[21:06] <bongoman> i don't use kde either but amarok k3b and open office
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I see. My systems are too slow for all that.
[21:07] <bongoman> ok
[21:08] <pkodon> I found a thread on the Ubuntu forums that said to replace the network manager with RutilT, and that took care of the problem. Aparently, most of the network managers mess up the WPA passcode.
[21:08] <pkodon> Now I just have to figgure out how to get it to use that at startup, rather than the old network manager.
[21:09] <bongoman> but thank you a lot for your help ! now i know a little more about handling with my new system
[21:09] <bongoman> thx
[21:17] <charlie-tca> you are welcome.
[22:33] <DaemonXP> Cause of Death: Mass Effect :P
[22:33] <DaemonXP> uggggh
[23:00] <maccamb> Hello - does anybody know of Xubuntu run as a VM on VMWare Fusion?  If so are there any pre-packaged VMs?
[23:01] <DaemonXP> maccamb: You could mount the ISO in the VM software and install it onto a virtual drive like that
[23:02] <maccamb> DaemonXP: Hi! Actually I tried that with Ubuntu 8.10 and the installation works fine. The issue is VMWare Tools. I dlded a pre-packaged VM from chrysaor.info and followed the instructions for installing VMWare Tools but it failed. And now I would rather go with Xubuntu but am looking for something similar
[23:03] <maccamb> to the pre-packaged version with VMWare Tools.
[23:03] <charlie-tca> I use VirtualBox myself with Xubuntu.
[23:04] <maccamb> Yeah I saw comments about that but I am happily running with Fusion 2.0 and want to manage all my VMs thru that.
[23:21] <infested999> hry
[23:21] <infested999> guys
[23:22] <infested999> i have this old computer
[23:22] <infested999> 300MHz OCed to 650MHz - 100MB RAM - 20GB HD
[23:22] <infested999> i tried to install DSL linux but it doesnt like my HD :(
[23:22] <infested999> so someone said that Xubuntu might run o nit
[23:22] <kahrn> any specific errors?
[23:23] <infested999> do you think it will run?
[23:23] <kahrn> no
[23:23] <infested999> i tried ubuntu but it was WAAAAY to slow
[23:23] <kahrn> well, possibly, but it'll be fairly slow
[23:23] <infested999> on ubuntu i could barely move the mouse
[23:23] <kahrn> Xubuntu is generally 256mb ram minimum
[23:23] <kahrn> but
[23:23] <infested999> ahh
[23:23] <kahrn> you could try something else, like a fluxbox
[23:24] <kahrn> I used fluxbox and a set of apps on a 128MB RAM/500MHz machine just last year.
[23:24] <infested999> alright, now i guess your not allowed to talk about other distro's of linux here
[23:24] <infested999> so i guess i have to ask somewhere else :/
[23:24] <kahrn> I don't think a rule exists prohibiting it
[23:24] <infested999> cool
[23:24] <kahrn> but I might be wrong
[23:24] <kahrn> lol
[23:25] <kahrn> anyways, you could try fluxbuntu, or debian+flux, or maybe archlinux+flux
[23:25] <infested999> alright ill give fluxbox a try
[23:26] <infested999> what are the sys requirements?
[23:26] <kahrn> I don't know if any exist, but I'd say 233MHz, 32MB RAM
[23:26] <infested999> wait,  how do i downloda it? There arew no .iso files, only tar-balls
[23:27] <kahrn> you install fluxbox on a distribution
[23:27] <infested999> ohh
[23:27] <kahrn> like debian
[23:28] <infested999> alriht then, so much for that idea. onto fluxbuntu
[23:29] <infested999> downloding , 15 min left. ill report ack later
[23:31] <kahrn> it may be worth joining #fluxbuntu, as I have never used it myself
[23:32] <infested999> what server is #fluxbox on?
[23:32] <infested999> nvm found it
[23:33] <kahrn> #fluxbuntu, on this network