[00:38]  * mwhudson rebooting
[02:47] <wgrant> mwhudson: I wonder if a distinct error page could be used for LH, given that it is somewhat failed most of the time, and gives Launchpad an even worse stability reputation than the bad one it deserves.
[02:50] <mwhudson> wgrant: fixing the problems with loggerhead would be better, but yes, perhaps a good short term idea
[02:52] <wgrant> mwhudson: At the moment, it's unobvious to the uneducated observer that it isn't LP which is broken most of the time.
[02:55] <wgrant> mwhudson: You've been attempting to fix the LH problem for years. I don't think it will go away soon.
[04:14] <mwhudson> make build is broken for me :(
[04:15] <wgrant> mwhudson: What's it complaining about?
[04:15] <wgrant> (you're Karmic now, right?)
[04:15] <mwhudson> No local packages or download links found for PasteDeploy
[04:15] <mwhudson> yeah
[04:15] <wgrant> Up to date download-cache?
[04:15] <mwhudson> yep
[04:15] <wgrant> Hrmph.
[04:15] <mwhudson> actually it's also saying
[04:15] <mwhudson> Download error: (101, 'Network is unreachable') -- Some packages may not be found!
[04:15] <wgrant> Ah.
[04:16] <wgrant> That would do it.
[04:16] <mwhudson> it's a lie though
[04:17] <wgrant> It is not.
[04:17] <mwhudson> hm?
[04:17] <wgrant> That errno is rarely a lie.
[04:19] <mwhudson> oh maybe pypi.python.org is down?
[04:19] <wgrant> WFM
[04:19] <mwhudson> interesting
[04:20] <wgrant> That normally indicates broken local routing tables, doesn't it?
[04:22] <mwhudson> sigh
[04:22] <mwhudson> do i want to do battle with vodafone support, i wonder
[04:22] <wgrant> Yay telcos.
[04:28] <mwhudson> i guess step 0 is restarting my modem
[04:31] <wgrant> At least something is working.
[04:33] <mwhudson_> it does look like the isps routing is shafted
[04:35] <wgrant> Uhoh.
[04:36] <mwhudson_> !?
[04:36] <mwhudson_> or, alternatively, the dns server on my modem is giving the wrong answer
[04:38] <wgrant> What is it saying?
[04:39] <mwhudson_> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:40] <mwhudson_> googling suggests something wacky with ipv6 vs ipv4 might be going on
[04:42] <mwhudson_> and now it works
[04:42] <mwhudson_> ffs
[04:59] <jkakar> I've spent a bit of time looking at how to write tests for launchpadlib-using programs and it's a non-trivial problem.
[05:00] <jkakar> I think the right solution is to do something to launchpadlib (or maybe wadllib) to make testing easier, not to implement some special-case infrastructure in my application.
[06:46] <mwhudson> thumper: here?
[06:47] <mwhudson> wow, it's 18:45, i'll assume not
[06:50] <lifeless> mwhudson: are you coming to brisbane?
[06:50] <mwhudson> lifeless: yes
[06:51] <lifeless> did you find a good flight from pycon?
[06:51]  * mwhudson edits a wiki page
[06:51] <mwhudson> lifeless: it's a bit of a mission, chc -> akl late ish on sunday, akl -> bne at gnat's fart on monday
[06:52] <lifeless> mwhudson: grah
[06:52] <mwhudson> lifeless: you thinking of coming to kiwipycon?
[06:52] <lifeless> yes, I just signed up
[06:52] <lifeless> if you can give me your flight details I can try to line up
[06:53] <mwhudson> lifeless: cool
[06:53] <mwhudson> lifeless: just fowarded my itinerary
[06:53] <lifeless> If its too hard I may skip sun avo
[06:55] <mwhudson> yeah fair enough
[06:55] <mwhudson> i was signed up to talk at the conference before the sprint was organized so...
[06:56] <lifeless> you're done by 10am :P
[08:00] <jtv1> mwhudson, still here?  need some help setting up branches for a test
[08:12] <mwhudson> jtv1: not really
[08:13]  * jtv1 shrugs and plods on
[08:13] <mwhudson> jtv1: jml will be here soon :)
[08:13] <jtv1> ah good
[08:13] <jtv1> he still owes me a pre-dawn call, heheh
[08:22] <adeuring> good morning
[08:26] <jtv1> hi adeuring
[08:26] <adeuring> hi jtv!
[08:50] <jtv> jml: need your help!
[09:19] <mrevell> morning
[09:27] <jml> mwhudson, jtv:  hell
[09:27] <jtv> jml: hell?
[09:27] <jtv> mrevell: morning
[09:28] <jml> o
[09:28] <jml> I really thought there was an 'o' there
[09:31] <lifeless> jml: did you have a chance to peek at subunit/protocol ?
[09:34] <jml> lifeless, no, sorry.
[09:35] <jtv> jml: so one letter makes the difference between "yes" and "no."  I for one am glad for the change.
[09:35] <jtv> jml: hope you can help me...  I'm trying to set up a hosted branch stacked on another hosted branch for my test.  A real branch that I can commit to.
[09:40] <jml> jtv, ahh yes.
[09:41] <jml> jtv, this is for some sort of integration test, I assume?
[09:41] <jtv> jml: not really, it's for testing a workaround for a bzr bug
[09:42] <jtv> I tried piggybacking on BzrSyncTestCase, but to no avail
[09:43] <jml> jtv, it's a bit fiddly.
[09:43] <jtv> that much I did manage to find out :)
[09:44] <jml> jtv, do you know how to create a stacked branch independently of Launchpad, i.e. just using bzrlib?
[09:45] <jtv> jml: set the stacking url... the problem seems to be either getting the right URL or making sure the branch is really there.
[09:47] <jml> jtv, you need the db branch objects as well, right?
[09:47] <jtv> jml: yup
[09:48] <jtv> I'm particularly surprised that aping what happens in test_bzrsync.py doesn't seem to give me lp-hosted support.
[09:48] <jml> jtv, not at all.
[09:49] <jml> jtv, or rather, you shouldn't be
[09:49] <jml> jtv, why does the scanner need access to the hosted area?
[09:49] <jtv> jml: ah, it reads from the mirrored branches.
[09:49] <jml> jtv, that's right.
[09:50] <jtv> So back to the old useBzrBranches()-based approach.
[09:50] <jml> probably
[09:51] <jml> jtv, I have a few things I need to do now. I'll be back in about 40mins and can talk about this further then, if that's ok.
[09:51] <jtv> jml: ok, thanks
[10:23] <jml> jtv, back.
[10:24] <jtv> jml: excellent.  Shall I run you through the code I'm trying now?
[10:24] <jtv> (Not that I haven't tried other ways...)
[10:24] <jml> jtv, please do.
[10:24] <jtv> jml: I start with useBzrBranches().
[10:24] <jtv> Then I create a base branch using create_branch_and_tree.
[10:24] <jtv> I pass hosted=True there.
[10:25] <jtv> Then I create another branch in the same way: stacked_branch, stacked_tree = create_branch_and_tree(hosted=True)
[10:25] <jtv> Then I try to stack it using stacked_tree.branch.set_stacked_on_url(base_tree.branch.base)
[10:26] <jml> jtv, what happens then?
[10:27] <jtv> Then, several layers down into what I'm trying to test, I try to open a mirrorer for stacked_branch.getPullUrl()
[10:27] <jtv> and that fails with BadUrlScheme
[10:27] <jtv> BadUrlScheme: ('chroot-247936556', URI('chroot-247936556:///~person-name9/product-name4/branch11/'))
[10:27] <jml> ahh, I see.
[10:28] <jml> jtv, it'll probably help both of us if you give the branches explicit names like 'a' and 'b'
[10:28] <jtv> jml: tbh I did, but left it out of this summary: "base" and "stacked."
[10:29] <jml> jtv, I mean, the name of the branch on disk
[10:29] <jml> jtv, not the variable names.
[10:29] <jtv> How do I do that, if not by passing a first arg to create_branch_and_tree?
[10:30] <jml> create_branch_and_tree(hosted=True, name='wooster')
[10:30] <jtv> ahh
[10:30] <jml> or you could create the db_branch manually and pass that in explicitly
[10:30] <jml> create_branch_and_tree(hosted=True, db_branch=factory.makeAnyBranch(name='wooster'))
[10:31] <jtv> Hmm... "file exists: u'/tmp/tmpyXcSbD/.bzr'"
[10:31] <jml> oh
[10:31] <jml> and the thing that will probably fix your problem
[10:32] <jml> rather than set_stacked_on_url(branch.base)
[10:32] <jml> do set_stacked_on_url('/' + db_branch.unique_name)
[10:32] <jml> the tempfile thing disturbs me.
[10:32] <jtv> Ah, I tried that too, but in a very different setup.  Too many variables...
[10:33] <jtv> It's probably because those names I passed in previously went into the "location" parameter, which defaults to "."
[10:34] <jml> jtv, yeah, the system itself is a bit too complex.
[10:34] <jtv> Now that I was no longer passing those, create_branch_and_tree tried to set up multiple branches in . I guess
[10:34] <jml> I hope that ditching the hosted / mirrored thing will be a good simplifying step.
[10:34] <jtv> yesyesyes getting further
[10:34] <jtv> I passed both that first argument _and_ the name parameter.
[10:34] <jtv> Is there a way to ditch that!?
[10:35] <jml> jtv, can you paste exactly what you are calling?
[10:35] <jtv> jml: coming...
[10:35] <jml> or are we talking across each other?
[10:36] <jtv> jml: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/296709/
[10:36] <jtv> It's working now, except the code I'm trying to test is refusing to commit because the branch hasn't been scanned.
[10:36] <jtv> which is a definite step forward
[10:36] <jml> jtv, excellent
[10:37] <jml> jtv, mwhudson & thumper have plans to get rid of the hosted area completely
[10:37] <jtv> jml: shame about the data
[10:37] <jtv> :-)
[10:37] <jml> jtv, none of it is unique, that's why they want to ditch it :)
[10:38] <jtv> jml: are we talking about not mirroring at all?
[10:38] <jml> jtv, not mirroring hosted branches, yes.
[10:39] <jtv> I guess they either came up with a performance improvement or found that mirroring wasn't saving us anything...
[10:41] <lifeless> well we're not scaling out using it, which was one of the original intents
[10:41] <lifeless> jml: no worries; I still desire your feedback on the api, so if/when you can
[10:42] <jml> lifeless, btw, when did you send the email?
[10:43] <lifeless> what mail?
[10:44]  * jml rephrases
[10:44] <jml> lifeless, where should I look to find the protocol stuff?
[10:45] <lifeless> lp:~lifeless/subunit/protocol
[10:45] <jml> lifeless, thanks.
[10:46] <lifeless> you can ignore the wire protocol aspect if you like,though feedback is cool. Its the python API for TestResult outcomes that is interesting
[10:46] <lifeless> I'm sure much of it will want to be in testtools, but I decided to get it done in situ, and divestify later
[10:47] <lifeless> tia.gnight.
[10:48] <jtv> lifeless: gnight!
[10:49] <jml> lifeless, g'night-
[10:50] <jtv> jml, a quickie: I recall there are different kinds of revision id... how do I get the one I'd like to store as last_scanned_id?
[10:51] <jml> jtv, there's only one kind of revision id
[10:52] <jml> jtv, you want branch.last_revision_id
[10:52] <jml> jtv, revno is something completely different
[10:52] <jtv> jml: I never doubted that it's different to someone in the know...  :-)
[10:53] <jtv> To me it's highly confusing.
[10:53] <jtv> 'BzrBranch7' object has no attribute 'last_revision_id'.  I guess tree.branch is not the branch I wanted.  :(
[10:58] <jtv> ah, last_revision_info.
[11:00] <jml> jtv, a revision ID is a globally unique identifier for revisions
[11:00] <jtv> jml: works now, thanks for leading me out of this swamp!
[11:01] <jtv> Ah, I guess that makes sense for the D part of DCVS
[11:01] <jml> jtv, my pleasure.
[11:01] <jml> yeah :)
[11:03] <deryck> Morning, all.
[11:03] <jtv> hi deryck
[11:11] <jml> deryck, good morning
[11:12] <maxb> barry: are you coming back in #launchpad-sprint today?
[11:36] <maxb> salgado: Hi. Sorry for that 404ed merge proposal, I'd renamed the branch when its scope grew
[11:36] <maxb> Are you #launchpad-sprint-ing again today?
[11:40] <salgado> maxb, no worries.
[11:40] <salgado> I should be.  let me join
[12:34]  * maxb wishes for a "make run_all_except_mailman"
[12:34] <jml> +1
[12:35] <jml> maxb, really, what we need to do is change codehosting to not use the xmlrpc server.
[12:35] <jml> at least optionally.
[12:36] <maxb> I don't mind the xmlrpc server, I just mind mailman spamming up my dev access log
[12:36] <jml> maxb, yes, that's what I mind.
[12:36] <jml> maxb, but if codehosting went straight to the db, we wouldn't have to start up anything other than the ssh server.
[12:36] <jml> maxb, so we could have a make run_dev_codehosting or something similar.
[12:36] <maxb> Any reason it goes via xmlrpc at present?
[12:37] <jml> a couple.
[12:37] <jml> the first is that going via a zope webservice does automatic retries in the face of transactional conflicts.
[12:38] <jml> the second is that the xmlrpc service adds a certain layer of protection between codehosting & the db.
[12:38] <jml> the third is that having an XML-RPC server has forced us to think very hard about the interface between codehosting & the rest of Launchpad, and has left us with quite a narrow interface indeed.
[12:39] <maxb> ...and going via the db would require zcml loading inside the bzr process?
[12:41] <jml> oh. there's a thought.
[12:41] <jml> hmm.
[12:42] <jml> yes it would, at least in the most natural implementation.
[12:42] <jml> which is obviously a blocker.
[12:45] <jml> you could work around this by having sql queries in the codehosting server, and duplicating the db configuration
[12:45] <jml> but... yuck.
[13:18] <maxb> What is the policy for getting new things into download-cache? Who do I need to talk to?
[13:21] <intellectronica> maxb: i think gary is the best person to talk to. at the very least he'll be able to dispatch you to someone else
[13:28] <jml> there's a doc about it, actually.
[13:33]  * beuno waves
[13:37] <jml> hi
[14:12] <jml> off to grab a bite & run some errands.
[14:15] <gmb> allenap: On which product should I file bugs in EC2 test?
[14:15] <allenap> gmb: launchpad-foundations
[14:15] <gmb> allenap: Ta. I feel I may be landing a few itch-scratch branches today...
[14:16] <allenap> gmb: Tag it with build-infrastructure.
[14:16] <gmb> allenap: Okay.
[14:26] <abentley> barry: When I run the people.txt tests, I get a lot of errors like this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/296842/ Any idea what's going on?
[14:27] <beuno> intellectronica, flacoste, I have a doctors appt, so I will likely miss the ajax call today
[14:27] <intellectronica> beuno: k, thanks for letting us know
[14:31] <barry> abentley: yes.  we need to update launchpadlib and i believe gary_poster is landing or has a branch in dev that will address these
[14:33] <abentley> barry: It's weird that we have test failures in stable.  Thanks for the info, though.
[14:58] <maxb> abentley: I think it may be because you're inadvertently using different lazr.* from your system, rather than the buildout?
[14:58] <maxb> The workaround is to erase the lazr.*-nspkg.pth symlinks from your python site-packages
[14:58] <maxb> The proper fix is landing/ed?
[14:59] <abentley> my lazr.enum is not coming from my system, don't know about the rest.
[14:59] <maxb> What's PQM doing at the moment?
[15:01] <allenap> gmb: There was another trac-launchpad-migrator bug that I didn't file (iirc): the migrator does not add the xmlns to the <launchpad-bugs> root tag.
[15:01] <gmb> allenap: No, you filed it. I thought I just triaged it...
[15:02] <allenap> gmb: Ah, missed that one. Cool.
[15:02] <gmb> allenap: No idea why that happens though; according to the code it should work. Might be a bug in the XML generator.
[15:02]  * gmb is trying to retrofit tests when he has time, which isn't often.
[15:02] <allenap> gmb: Odd.
[15:03] <gmb> yarp
[15:33] <abentley> maxb: Thanks, that looks like it solved it.
[16:15] <gary_poster> abentley: the reason launchpadlib tests failed on karmic and passed on buildbot/ec2 is that karmic uses a newer version of libxml that is more careful about validating XML (specifically, it does not allow ids to be reused).  The branch I landed fixes that problem, among many others. Unfortunately, while it passed locally and on ec2, there is a problem on buildbot.  I'm trying to dupe and address.
[16:17] <abentley> gary_poster: I don't think that's the same problem as I saw.  My problem was that items expected to be unicode were actually strings.
[16:17] <gary_poster> abentley: oh, right, yes.  that was the site-package problem.  After you fix that then you get the other problem I mentioned.
[16:18] <gary_poster> or maybe at the same time.  don't remember any more
[17:00] <gary_poster> BjornT: I'm wondering if my branch broke windmill layer.  This happens when you run the mailman error.  notice failure in line 27 of http://paste.ubuntu.com/296932/ .  Do you have quick access to a command for a quick smoke test for running a single windmill test?
[17:07] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, sorry for the long wait on your pre-review, looking now
[17:07] <beuno> EdwinGrubbs, or did you already land that?
[17:15] <barry> gary_poster, BjornT here is the fix http://paste.ubuntu.com/296944/
[17:15] <gary_poster> barry: thank you.
[17:16] <barry> gary_poster: i can land it if i can get review on my mm 2.1.12 branch too
[17:16] <gary_poster> barry: cool.  we are in testfix because of the problem I mentioned, so trying to get that sorted first
[17:16] <barry> gary_poster: and actually, i think i can make the other fix work for either our current mm 2.1.10 or 2.1.12 so i could land that first and then upgrade mailman
[17:16] <barry> gary_poster: ack
[17:16] <gary_poster> I mean, the one I mentioned to you elsewhere
[17:17] <gary_poster> k
[17:23] <danilos> sinzui: hi, is there any reason why default bug sorting order is not by importance and then status?
[17:25] <sinzui> danilos: importance implies what should we worked on, with is more relevant to more users. status is import to a small group of people. In the milestone view, I always resort the bugs on status because I am watching progress
[17:26] <danilos> sinzui: is there any reason why it can't be on both by default? (i.e. all high bugs, with fix released first, fix committed next, etc.)
[17:27] <danilos> sinzui: that's what it used to be before
[17:27] <sinzui> Yes there is a reason.
[17:27] <danilos> sinzui: I am all ears :)
[17:28] <sinzui> When I sort the milestone of importance, it is by time. It is a partial burndown chart. place you mouse over the the status and you will see how long the bug has been in that status
[17:30] <danilos> sinzui: to me, it seems it's sorted by importance and then by bug ID
[17:30] <danilos> sinzui: can you explain that to me on the example of https://edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+milestone/3.1.10 ?
[17:30] <sinzui> oh, yes I think that is true
[17:31] <sinzui> We get that form the model
[17:31] <danilos> sinzui: for example, look at #425651 and #446160
[17:32] <danilos> sinzui: ok, so my question is: can the "sub-sorting" order be by status, instead of bug ID for the milestone page? is there a reason why it is not so today?
[17:33] <sinzui> danilos: The issue is not important to me, nor were there bugs about this. so I did not rewrite the sorting code rules.
[17:34] <danilos> sinzui: ok, thanks, I'll file a bug if you don't mind
[17:35] <sinzui> danilos: I think bug 430702 is high. We are *required* to have this completed by the end of this release
[17:35] <danilos> sinzui: I understand it might not be a trivial fix since you are relying on code from model/bugtarget
[17:35] <mup> Bug #430702: Move Translations windmill tests to TranslationsWindmillLayer <story-windmill-layer> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/430702>
[17:36] <danilos> sinzui: yes, thanks, I haven't gotten to fully planning out 3.1.10 (it has a long list of things that shouldn't be in anyway)
[17:36] <sinzui> danilos: Patches excepted, but if you ignore it for two months, I might do it. I am building a list of change I personally want to see on the page
[17:36] <danilos> sinzui: sure, and completely understood :)
[17:37] <sinzui> danilos: have you ever seen intltool/make create Binary.gmo
[17:38] <danilos> sinzui: not sure what you mean, but MO files should be constructed using regular msgfmt stuff
[17:38] <EdwinGrubbs> beuno-lunch: no, I didn't land it. Thanks for the feedback.
[17:40] <sinzui> danilos: I was helping a Russian user whose make dies on Binary.gmo. Since his LANG is ru_RU.utf-8, I could not image how Binary.gmo was create from an empty LINGUAS
[17:40]  * sinzui created a package and suggest he install from PPA
[17:41] <danilos> sinzui: nothing in there should make use of LANG variable either, but it might be a seriously broken setup on his system, or a bug in makefile scripts somewhere
[17:42] <danilos> sinzui: i.e. even intltool/gettext makefile scripts
[17:42]  * sinzui nods
[17:43] <danilos> anyway, out now
[18:00] <mrevell> Night all. See you tomorrow.
[18:33] <jml> I'm off for a bit. Will be back later.
[18:45] <rockstar> deryck, a user is getting this error when trying to assign himself a bug: https://pastebin.canonical.com/23481/
[18:46] <deryck> rockstar, looking...
[18:46] <rockstar> deryck, it looks like an issue with the API stuff, truthfully.
[18:47] <deryck> rockstar, yeah, I think there's a bug on that, with recent activity even, but I'm behind on bugmail from being off.  maybe intellectronica knows more.
[18:47] <deryck> maybe related to a fix I've been dealing with on subscriptions, too.
[18:47] <deryck> oh, hmm, he's away.
[18:51] <deryck> rockstar, this is bug #438802.
[18:51] <mup> Bug #438802: UnicodeDecodeError changing 'Assigned to' field when summary contains non-ascii <post-3-ui-cleanup> <ui> <Launchpad Bugs:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/438802>
[18:51] <deryck> leonardr, ping
[18:51] <rockstar> deryck, awesome, thanks.
[18:52] <deryck> rockstar, I'll try to update with more info, if we have any, later today.
[18:52] <leonardr> deryck, hi
[18:52] <deryck> leonardr, hi.  Did we ever get that patch of Tom's in lazr.restful into production environment?
[18:53] <leonardr> i'm not sure what you're referring to. is it the patch to the wadl that makes the id unique?
[18:55] <deryck> leonardr, this was a patch Tom and I were chatting with you about week before last.  It saved us from errors with non-ascii characters in description editing, but it need forward porting to lazr.restful (because of committed to wrong branch.)
[18:55] <deryck> leonardr, ring a bell?
[18:56] <leonardr> ah
[18:57] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: what have you done with bug 435260?
[18:57] <mup> Bug #435260: IProduct's +packages pages has a ton of links to +distributions <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by edwin-grubbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435260>
[18:57] <leonardr> yes, launchpad should be using lazr.restful 0.9.11, which has the fix
[18:57] <deryck> leonardr, ok, cool, thanks.
[19:04] <barry> flacoste: ping
[19:12] <x-warrior> Guys, what do you think about create a filter "untranslated without suggestions" ?
[19:13] <beuno> x-warrior, it would be super mega awesome
[19:24] <x-warrior> can somebody told me, if i want to implement a feature like a new filter "untranslated without suggestions" I can start working on it? (I think it isn't hard... ) Or should I propose this idea in a specified place and wait the discussion?
[19:25] <beuno> x-warrior, you can certainly jump in and start working on it
[19:25] <beuno> you may want to talk to danilos-afk about it
[19:25] <beuno> either on the mailing list or via IRC
[19:25] <beuno> but I'd say, go ahead, get your hands dirty, and be sure to check in so we can help you as you go
[19:26] <x-warrior> I will take a look but wait to starts coding it... I'm new in launchpad code, and don't want to do shit :X
[19:27] <beuno> x-warrior, danilos-afk is usually around here earlier, if that time suits you, ping him tomorrow, otherwise, head for the mailing list
[19:27] <x-warrior> earlier like what time?
[19:28] <beuno> x-warrior, probably 3 hours earlier at least, he's in Serbia, so he's UTCish
[19:28] <x-warrior> That's ok, I'm in Brazil
[19:28] <x-warrior> :D
[19:28] <beuno> super
[19:28] <beuno> it would be a welcomed change
[19:30] <x-warrior> hey beuno if i get the source and got it working, should I updated my source before start working? How can I update it?
[19:30] <beuno> x-warrior, do you have the code yet?
[19:30] <beuno> as a general rule, you should try and stay the closest to trunk's tip as you can
[19:30] <x-warrior> yeah, already try it in my machine
[19:30] <sinzui> bac: ping
[19:31] <beuno> x-warrior, so run "rocketfuel-get", it will update trunk + deps
[19:31] <x-warrior> but I downloaded it one week ago...
[19:31] <x-warrior> oh thanks man
[19:31] <x-warrior> :D
[19:31] <beuno> x-warrior, after that, merge in trunk into your own branch
[19:31] <beuno> do that every now and then to avoid conflicts as much as you can  :)
[19:35] <bac> hi sinzui
[19:36] <sinzui> bac: I just tried the captcha. I expected the field to be highlighted in red when it was wrong (setFieldError())
[19:36] <sinzui> bac: Is that not possible?
[19:37] <bac> sinzui: hmm, that may be an oversight on my part
[19:38] <bac> sinzui: since the forms are not LPFormView i would've had to do that manually and i did not
[19:38] <sinzui> bac: that is an excellent answer
[19:38] <bac> forgetful/unobservant = excellent!
[19:39] <sinzui> bac: This is definitely out of scope. I know ISD wants to change login technology to django. Those forms may never be converted to zope
[19:39] <bac> ok
[19:40] <sinzui> now if I could only find that bug mthaddon files about cracked bullets in the registration email confirmation screen
[19:41] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: bug 435260 is the one that I sent screenshots to beuno.
[19:42] <mup> Bug #435260: IProduct's +packages pages has a ton of links to +distributions <post-3-ui-cleanup> <Launchpad Registry:In Progress by edwin-grubbs> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/435260>
[19:43] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: I looked at that page and thought we should rename the information link to make it clear that it is form the distro perspective. I will avoid touching that page while you work
[19:44] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: The page is involved in the global duplicate sourcepackage links cockup
[19:47] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: do you want me to change the link from "Packaging information" to "Distribution packaging information"?
[19:48] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: yes, I think that is better
[19:49] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs: My other frustration with that page is that there were not links to the productseries, though they were listed by name. Once I got to the page, I had to back to the product index to get to the series :(
[19:51] <sinzui> bac: I think you fixed Bug #118623
[19:51] <mup> Bug #118623: Hinder spambot registration <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/118623>
[19:52] <flacoste> hi barry!
[19:54] <barry> flacoste: hi!  do you have a few minutes to talk about upgrading our sourcecode/mailman to 2.1.12?
[19:54] <flacoste> barry: sure, now?
[19:55] <barry> flacoste: sure.  i think we can do irc
[19:56] <barry> flacoste: so, i have a branch in pqm that will make our MailmanLayer tests pass with either 2.1.10 (what we have) and 2.1.12.  it's really just one trivial test failure
[19:56] <barry> flacoste: i have an uncommitted branch that merges lp:mailman/2.1 -rtag:2.1.12 to sourcecode/mailman
[19:56] <barry> flacoste: that diff is almost 325k lines :)
[19:57] <flacoste> wow
[19:57] <barry> flacoste: the vast majority of that is translation updates
[19:57] <barry> flacoste: but there are enough important updates in py files
[19:57] <barry> flacoste: 2.1.12 is compatible with py 2.6
[19:58] <barry> flacoste: i've run the MailmanLayer tests on devel + mm 2.1.12 and we look pretty good
[19:58] <barry> flacoste: so how should we proceed?
[20:01] <flacoste> barry: land the test compatibiilty change and then land the mailman update?
[20:01] <flacoste> barry: you should then QA that change extensively on staging
[20:01] <barry> flacoste: that's what i'm thinking.  does it make any sense to get the mailman change reviewed?
[20:01] <barry> at 325k lines i think not :)
[20:01] <flacoste> barry: you might want to delay that QA until next Monday to maximize your 2.6 sprint time, but not later
[20:02] <flacoste> barry: rs=me
[20:02] <barry> flacoste: excellent, thanks.  yes, we need this to land for the 2.6 stuff, but we can q/a it next week
[20:02] <barry> flacoste: perfect, thanks
[20:02] <flacoste> barry: you should probably took that opportunity to document a good mailing list QA on staging protocol
[20:02] <barry> flacoste: good idea
[20:04] <barry> ah.  pqm is still in test fix :/
[20:35] <jml> g'night folks.
[20:43] <Ursinha> gary_poster: hi
[20:46] <deryck> later on, everyone.
[20:49] <mwhudson> morning
[20:50] <rockstar> mwhudson, morning.
[20:50] <rockstar> mwhudson, did you have a chance to chase the pyrex issue yesterday?
[20:50] <mwhudson> rockstar: argl, no
[20:50] <mwhudson> well i had a chance to, but forgot
[20:50] <rockstar> mwhudson, okay.  Is there anything I can do to help?
[20:50] <mwhudson> rockstar: talk to a losa basically
[20:51] <mwhudson> rockstar: they should know how to make a new image that has python-pyrex installed
[20:51] <mwhudson> and if they don't, there's https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/BuildbotAMIHowto
[20:52] <rockstar> mwhudson, great.  I'll harass spm today then.
[20:52] <mwhudson> rockstar: cool
[20:56] <gary_poster> Ursinha: hey
[20:57] <Ursinha> gary_poster: hi! do you know what can be possibly happening here:https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1385J519
[20:57] <Ursinha> gary_poster: I couldn't find one bug, but if needed I'll be happy to file one
[20:57] <Ursinha> :)
[20:59]  * thumper is alive
[20:59] <rockstar> thumper, that is good.
[20:59] <thumper> rockstar: morning
[21:00] <mwhudson> hello thumper
[21:00] <thumper> hey hey
[21:01] <rockstar> thumper, remember how we were talking about the branch picker?
[21:01] <thumper> rockstar: yes
[21:02] <rockstar> thumper, were you planning on working on that this cycle?
[21:02] <thumper> rockstar: no, we are lacking the lazr.js infrastructure
[21:03] <rockstar> thumper, okay.  Let's chat about it after the standup.  There are quite a few birds to kill with that one stone.
[21:04] <gary_poster> Ursinha: reasonable guess is that someone is passing the same value twice in a request.  If I'm correct, it is a client error, and we should simply not generate an oops, and ideally generate a better error.  That is a generic problem for which there might be a bug, but I don't know the number and this is a specific instance of the problem that should be noted anyway.  Do we have a lot of these?
[21:04] <gary_poster> yeah, if you look at the query string, that goes along with my guess
[21:08] <Ursinha> gary_poster: nope, only a few
[21:08] <Ursinha> but they're there
[21:09] <gary_poster> Ursinha: sure, needs to be dealt with.  just curious.  Yes, if you would make a bug that would be appreciated.  thank you
[21:09] <Ursinha> gary_poster: filing now :)
[21:09] <thumper> rockstar, mwhudson, abentley: I have to go and collect the car from Jenna, shouldn't take too long
[21:09] <mwhudson> thumper: ok
[21:09] <gary_poster> Ursinha: thank you!
[21:13] <Ursinha> gary_poster: bug 455778
[21:13] <mup> Bug #455778: AttributeError when passing the same value twice in a request <oops> <openid> <Launchpad Foundations:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/455778>
[21:13] <Ursinha> thanks gary_poster!
[21:14] <gary_poster> :-) thanks again
[21:15] <sinzui> bac: I award you a gold ☆ for your sterling work on mugshots
[21:16] <bac> sinzui: gold is better than beer.  of course it was your CSS
[21:16] <rockstar> abentley, the inline commenting on merge proposals is teh sexy
[21:16] <abentley> rockstar: Cool.
[21:18] <Ursinha> gary_poster: am I crazy or similar thing is happening in this one: https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=OOPS-1385D1430
[21:21] <gary_poster> Ursinha: hard to tell.  You are right about the query string certainly.  Not obvious that it is the problem though.  Trying to find implementation of find_matches...
[21:28] <thumper> ok, I'm back
[21:29] <rockstar> thumper, does that mean standup?
[21:30] <thumper> abentley, mwhudson: standup?
[21:32] <abentley> thumper: check out your CPU usage
[21:33] <rockstar> abentley, I'll host.
[21:33] <abentley> thumper: Odd.  I was getting noise stuff that went away when killed some processes.
[21:34] <thumper> that is what it was like for me
[21:35] <gary_poster> Ursinha: my guess is that it is different.  The traceback says it has trouble finding has_matches.  Sometimes that's hiding a lower problem, but the implementation of ``has_matches`` is simply ``return self.matches > 0``.  Maybe self.matches is a property that is being confused by the query string, but that's as far down the rabbit hole as I'm going right now.
[21:35] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:35] <gary_poster> so, new bug for now is my opinion
[21:35] <Ursinha> gary_poster: all right, I'll file another :)
[21:36] <Ursinha> thanks gary_poster
[21:36] <gary_poster> np
[21:38] <gary_poster> mwhudson: hi.  have you used ec2 test to land someone else's branch without merging it yourself?
[21:39] <mwhudson> gary_poster: yes
[21:42] <gary_poster> mwhudson: OK that means it is possible.  :-) I would have thought that it would puke because it would find something local to doublecheck.  I'll review code or you can give me a hint. ;-)  (if you don't have time for hint that's ok: the confidence that it should be possible is enough ;-) )
[21:42] <mwhudson> gary_poster: it doesn't do any local checks if you do ec2 test <url>
[21:43] <mwhudson> (as opposed to ec2 test .)
[21:43] <gary_poster> mwhudson: ah-hah!  yes, I vaguely remember it starting that way.  ok thank you
[21:43] <mwhudson> (i haven't changed anything in this area fwiw)
[21:47] <gary_poster> cool, yeah, I'm just forgetful :-/
[21:49] <mwhudson> np
[22:02] <thumper> flacoste: where is the cherry pick instructions?
[22:02] <thumper> s/is/are/
[22:08] <flacoste> thumper: https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/PolicyandProcess/EChangeProcess
[22:08] <flacoste> that's the canonical page
[22:08] <thumper> flacoste:
[22:09] <thumper> flacoste: ta
[22:09] <flacoste> but it's out-of-date with the current way
[22:09] <thumper> flacoste: wheren't you going to update it?
[22:09] <flacoste> thumper: i failed!
[22:09] <thumper> :)
[22:36] <rockstar> Wow, I just got the most un-helpful PQM failure message evar.
[22:44] <gary_poster> thumper: is this the secret to lightweight branches?  I want to give them a try.  I don't quite understand the instructions I've seen elsewhere (including the top of this page).  https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr-lightweight-branch
[22:49] <thumper> gary_poster: secret to what?
[22:49] <thumper> gary_poster: what is the question?
[22:49] <gary_poster> thumper: how do I use them.  bzr help branch doesn't mention them
[22:49] <gary_poster> how do I create them
[22:50] <rockstar> gary_poster, bzr cbranch is your friend.
[22:50] <rockstar> gary_poster, you'll need bzrtools
[22:50] <thumper> gary_poster: I use cbranch from bzrtools
[22:50] <gary_poster> thumper, rockstar: ah-ha!  reading that help, thank you
[22:51] <rockstar> gary_poster, http://theironlion.net/blog/2009/01/23/more-advanced-bazaar-concepts/
[22:51] <gary_poster> rockstar: :-) awesome, thank you
[23:52] <jml> mwhudson, 9h vs 15m for real?
[23:52] <mwhudson> jml: yes
[23:52] <mwhudson> jml: i was a little surprised
[23:52] <jml> mwhudson, bloody hell
[23:53] <mwhudson> jml: hey, look at my branch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/297218/
[23:53] <mwhudson> (or go to bed, probably more sensible)
[23:54] <lifeless> mwhudson: what did you change to do that?
[23:54] <mwhudson> jml: the staging appserver is often really slow, i would guess production would be less terrible
[23:54] <jml> mwhudson, it looks very much along the right lines
[23:54] <jml> mwhudson, the store selection seems a bit unfortunate
[23:55] <mwhudson> lifeless: the slow version made an appserver request to find out the on disk path for the branch data
[23:55] <jml> mwhudson, and it would be nice to identify places (mostly in the test suite?) where a direct-to-db transport would be more appropriate
[23:55] <mwhudson> jml: the scanner could use it, for sure
[23:56] <lifeless> mwhudson: and the fast one uses the db?
[23:56] <mwhudson> lifeless: yes
[23:56] <lifeless> conclusion: our appservers are slow
[23:56] <mwhudson> the fast one actually reused the gadget that i wrote for the similar problem with http branches...
[23:56] <jml> lifeless, the staging one is, at least
[23:57] <mwhudson> they all are pretty slow
[23:57] <lifeless> jml: they are  all slow
[23:57] <mwhudson> 100ms/request is good
[23:57] <jml> lifeless, sure, but you can't conclude that from an experiment on the staging server :)
[23:57] <mwhudson> uh
[23:57] <lifeless> jml: I think you can
[23:58] <lifeless> jml: because the load on staging is lower per server than on prod; and the db was the same in the two experiments
[23:58] <jml> lifeless, introducing new facts doesn't count.
[23:59] <lifeless> hah!
[23:59] <jml> lifeless, also, hardware.


[14:13] <OvenWerks> musescore 2 and 3?
[15:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looking...
[15:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yup. Lemme see if I can drop 2 from the seed.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> it looks like the musescore package depends on both musescore-common >2.3 _and_ < 2.4
[15:40] <OvenWerks> It may be worth while knowing why before worrying though
[15:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Well, there's two musescore packages: musescore and musescore3. musescore (2) was pulled-in by ubuntustudio-publishing, while musescore3 was pulled-in by ubuntustudio-audio.
[15:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's just an error in the seeds.
[15:41] <OvenWerks>  :)
[15:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have it ready to fix right now.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: as soon as I fired up the new iso after installing it updated Carla to -2. Does that mean the fix has gone through already?
[15:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: It went through early this morning.
[15:44]  * Eickmeyer[m] really needs to get queuebot in here to show when packages get updated.
[15:45]  * OvenWerks hopes these things don't need to happen that often
[15:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, it can just show our packageset. It's really hard to filter through #ubuntu-release for just our packageset, it would be better if it were in here.
[15:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Because sometimes I don't know when things get updated and get surprised/blindsided (depending on the situation) when I have to pull a delta from somewhere.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> and it is not like there is much traffic here
[15:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep. It's mostly you, me, and teward when he's feeling ornery.
[15:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> 😈
[16:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: remember that guy in support channel that had some issues with dependencies? I also noticed something like that on one of my systems. I fixed without taking notes but things do get stuck sometimes.
[16:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> not an ubuntu studio issue I am afraid, it has to do with all the PPAs that ubuntu systems tend do end up with
[16:02] <MauroGaspari[m]> is it of any value for me to dig into that and try to note down what are the most common causes? or do you feel like it is going to be a case-by-case thing?
[16:07] <len3> Konversation opens in #kubuntu by default maybe that is a good thing? :)
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is Konversation installed by default?
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, it is.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> yeah
[16:08] <OvenWerks> I am just playiung with whatever at this point
[16:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I also noticed that Akregator uses Kubuntu feeds as well. I was able to override it. Akregator is hard-coded via patch. I'm willing to bet Konversation is the same way.
[16:09] <OvenWerks> enough of the questions we get are DE related that is probably ok
[16:10] <OvenWerks> so far Carla has not caused any trouble with zita-ajbridge
[16:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sweet.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Well, that's kinda difficult to answer, if I'm being honest. Really our policy is that we don't support any external repositories. That's a general Ubuntu rule. You can add the PPAs, but they're completely unsupported.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> We do support the Backports PPA, but that's about it.
[16:15] <MauroGaspari[m]> yeah, I guessed that. I am just thinking, people are going to have PPAs and issues with some of the ubuntu-studio related packages will arise. So i was just thinking if it would make sense to write some reference document we could kinda copy-paste or reference so that people can get themselves out of the franken-buntu situation?
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> If it's KXStudio, for instance, while it's a PPA, it's added through non-traditional means (add-apt-repository). It's nearly impossible to remove once added.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Removing PPAs is easy if one installs ppa-purge.
[16:20] <MauroGaspari[m]> got it, makes sense, well will try to help people if they come to support with those issues
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool. There's a number of infobot (!commands) available that might help.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer
[16:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> !studio-controls
[16:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just for instance. :)
[16:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have permission to edit/add to ubottu if you need.
[16:21] <MauroGaspari[m]> sweet
[16:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> do you have a few minutes? I might have found something worth of notice but I do not have a 1-sentence way to explain.
[16:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> if not a good time can discuss another day
[16:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Go ahead. I'm updating Ardour in the ardour backports, but I can check in here.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: do we have a known problems list?
[16:26] <OvenWerks> should we?
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That would be the release notes, which we can add to. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GroovyGorilla/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[16:27] <OvenWerks> ie. studio-controls will not work if cadence has been installed even if removed later
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can add that for sure.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> guitarix has a latency control this causes steady xruns if used
[16:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> ^ That sounds like a bug that needs to be reported if someone hasn't done so already.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> there is a dialog that warns changing latency on the fly can cause problems with other jack clients... perhaps carla is one of them, though it does detect the latency change
[16:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> If that's the case then it's clearly an unstable feature of guitarix.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't think it's something release note worthy since, if there's a warning, that should be heeded.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> many jack clients do not have a biffersize changed callback
[16:32] <OvenWerks> phasex for example does not.
[16:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right. I typically don't change the buffer when everything is open.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> but for guitarix the latency change is meant for stand alone use: My computer is my guitar effects box
[16:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Too reisky.
[16:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. That makes sense.
[16:37]  * OvenWerks may even update his daily partition to 20.10
[16:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> ok this is an "issue" i found a few months ago as I was testing distributions other than ubuntu-based, while using full disk encryption.
[16:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> Basically the ubiquity installer, if you choose full disk encryption. will create an unencrypted boot partition, and then, an LVM encrypted with LUKS. The benefit of doing that, is that your computer can boot super fast, present with a nice graphical unlock disk page. and also unlock the disk super fast. this is becaue you are past GRUB and can take advantage of CPU instructions to quickly, almost
[16:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> instantly unlock LUKS.
[16:38] <MauroGaspari[m]> other distributions such as Manjaro, Tumbleweed, etc, use different installers. and the default for full disk encryption there, is just a single partition all LUKS encrypted. which well in theory is more secure yes. BUT. GRUB cannot take advantage of CPU instrucitons therefore it is most often than not going to take minutes to unlock the LUKS. plus it is just a black screen and people think it gets stuck
[16:38] <MauroGaspari[m]> and open bug reports about it.
[16:39] <MauroGaspari[m]> ... sorry I said i could not explain it in short.
[16:39] <MauroGaspari[m]> so it appears Ubuntu Studio 20.10 uses the latter and full disk encryption is also super slow to unlock. not saying it is bad. just a warning that those bug reports or questions might come through here as well :)
[16:40] <OvenWerks> yeah we use a different installer
[16:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Yeah, this is an ongoing discussion in the Calamares github. https://github.com/calamares/calamares
[16:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Lubuntu team is also aware.
[16:42] <MauroGaspari[m]> ah good good, I just wanted to let you guys know, as some people get upset, spam bug reports or well, you know the internet. all cool as long as you are aware of that 😇
[16:42] <OvenWerks> Elisa seems to be in the wrong part of the menu
[16:43] <OvenWerks> it shows up in Audio production
[16:43] <OvenWerks> it seems to be more of a media playback thing
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> The big problem is that, in order to work for Ubuntu Studio with the Plasma desktop, Ubiquity would have to be patched extensively since it's hard-coded to be Kubuntu with the Qt version. The only people that have access to fix it are the Ubuntu Foundations Team, and they have their hands full with other things, so the likelyhood of fixing it was extremely low. It's not a good situation. Going with Calamares was the only
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> workaround to be able to carve our own way.
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: We just need to fix Elisa in -menu.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> and jackmixer as well
[16:45] <OvenWerks> The other way around
[16:46] <OvenWerks> jack mixer is in both :)
[16:48] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: and it is an issue that i think every distro but ubuntu is sharing. I have discussed about this with opensuse devs and they also had no solution. as people get more concerned about privacy and enable full disk encryption, it is really not a good solution to wait in a black screen with no indication of progress, for like 40~90 seconds.
[16:48] <MauroGaspari[m]> but as I said, this is not an ubuntu-studio issue and not a complain. I just wanted to give you a heads-up of incoming bugs or requests for help.
[16:50] <MauroGaspari[m]> I am quite sure it will be solved or worked around at some point.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: That makes sense. Bear in mind, most of our users don't do full-disk encryption because they're setting this up for professional situations that don't really require too much privacy. If you have something you want to write about this somewhere, that would be extremely helpful.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> But also bear in mind, the 30-40 second thing is something I haven't observed on my own machines when testing the full-disk encryption, so I'm not sure where the issue really lies.
[16:51] <MauroGaspari[m]> yeah, i heard that a lot. it most likely depends on bios versions
[16:51] <MauroGaspari[m]> some people say it goes for ages, other say it is 10~20 seconds which is completely acceptable
[16:54] <MauroGaspari[m]> but yes Eickmeyer you are right. what I described is probably a niche of a niche of a niche . I will see to write a small article about that.
[16:54] <MauroGaspari[m]> sadly, being Italian, brevity is not in my DNA 😅. I will do my best to avoid writing an essay
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: I'm still cleaning-up after some not-so-succinct swedes that were my predecessors. :)
[17:01] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/1898596
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Thanks, are you going to fix it in -menu or should I?
[17:02] <OvenWerks> I should really focus on controls for now.
[17:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, I'll fix it then.
[17:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Fixed and awaiting release team approval.
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: The issue in question is here: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1311
[18:17] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: thanks! bookmarked and will keep an eye on it


 @Javacookies [There's Bluetooth File Transfer app (not available for arm64 devices) and WifiTr …], Okay. thank you
 @alera_on [<reply to media>], Looks really nice @alera_on Thanks! might be a thought to include one or two of those as part of the standard wallpaper set in the rebase towards 20.04 (once that is started)
 @febriugg [Okay. thank you], Also uFTP, UBsync, webapps for Dropbox and NextCloud, GhostCloud
 @matv1 [Looks really nice @alera_on Thanks! might be a thought to include one or two of …], Yeah, but I wish that the the ubports logo was in higher quality :D
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/zz0hF82q.webp
 @amyosx [Its not gonna be easy], Is it possible if not easy?
 @Sumitgreat87 [Is it possible if not easy?], porting the G7 play with arm64?
 @Sumitgreat87 [Is it possible if not easy?], No
 @commandyourstyle [porting the G7 play with arm64?], His thing
 @Sumitgreat87 [Is it possible if not easy?], Does it have kernel source?
 @commandyourstyle [porting the G7 play with arm64?], Although g7 play is doable and I'll hopefully have it done so I can go back to school with Ubuntu touch
 @amyosx [Does it have kernel source?], How to check it
 @commandyourstyle [porting the G7 play with arm64?], What is that?
 @Sumitgreat87 [What is that?], My phone
 @Sumitgreat87 [How to check it], Xda link to your device?
 @amyosx [Xda link to your device?], Ok thanks
[12:51] <ubptgbot> Wioxjk was added by: Wioxjk
 Good afternoon! … Is there any known problems with installing Ubuntu Phone on the Fairphone 2?
 I am using the official installer, and I have enabled debugging - so when I launch the installer the phone reboots and everything but just get stuck in fastboot. I then get prompted to boot into recovery but I am just getting "no command" … What do?
 your question may get lost in this group, you may more easily find tips in our @WelcomePlus group
[12:57] <ubptgbot> vampirekick was added by: vampirekick
 @Fuseteam [your question may get lost in this group, you may more easily find tips in our @ …], Thanks! I will throw it over there aswell
 good luck 👍
 Thanks :)
 oh my so settings page is now mix grid/list
[13:44] <ubptgbot> <Emad Abdelkarem> Flash Ubuntu touch on meizu m5
 @Emad Abdelkarem [Flash Ubuntu touch on meizu m5], it is not possible
[13:46] <ubptgbot> <Emad Abdelkarem> How can i do this
 @Emad Abdelkarem [How can i do this], you cannot
 @mrcyjanek [Yeah, but I wish that the the ubports logo was in higher quality :D], Thanks for the feedbacks.  I will try to improve to offer better and well made options for both communities.
 Does fairphone 3 work with ubuntu touch as well as fairphone 2?
 no, fp3 has not been ported afaik
 i think it's android 9 though, so maybe someone can get it working with the halium GSI stuff
 Ok, because now it's harder to find Fairphone 2, because they have stopped the production
[14:02] <ubptgbot> BgTrb was added by: BgTrb
 @dohbee [i think it's android 9 though, so maybe someone can get it working with the hali …], A good starting point could be: https://forum.fairphone.com/t/ubuntu-touch-gsi-for-the-fairphone-3/61569?u=ingo
 well i'll leave that to you :)
 And someone else has started some efforts, but the results AFAIK are only in the Halium group.
 Sometimes when I try to reboot my device it hangs at black screen with working ssh, and that's what I have in dmesg: … ```[  323.721349] init: bluebinder main process (8829) terminated with status 1 … [  323.721486] init: bluebinder main process ended, respawning … [  323.741373] binder: 2147:2147 transaction failed 29189/-22, size 32-0
[14:12] <ubptgbot>  line 3013 … [  324.005193] binder: 3095:3095 transaction failed 29189/-22, size 32-0 line 3013 … [  324.741960] binder: 2147:2147 transaction failed 29189/-22, size 32-0 line 3013 … [  325.004582] binder: 3095:3095 transaction failed 29189/-22, size 32-0 line 3013 … [  325.742352] binder: 2147:2147 transaction failed 29189/-22, size 32-0 line 3013
[14:12] <ubptgbot>  … [  325.802970] binder: 8842:8842 transaction failed 29189/-22, size 32-0 line 3013``` … Have anybody else had problems with bluebinder?
 Also, to make it reboot I have to do something like: `sudo reboot && sudo reboot`
 @Elias [Does fairphone 3 work with ubuntu touch as well as fairphone 2?], I have no been able to install it at all on the FP2 sadly :)
 For some reason - It wont flash the recovery partition (I think)
 @Wioxjk It's strange, because on the ubports website it says that the fairphone 2 is fully functional with ubuntu touch, it's even the first smartphone promoted by ubports.
 there are a couple of oddities with fp2
 and well as a modular phone it can sometimes have loose connections that may cause issues as such
 @dohbee [and well as a modular phone it can sometimes have loose connections that may cau …], I wonder if that it is
 but I have no idea how to confirm it, I just got it from a friend that was very non-impressed by it :P
 Just for curiosity: Does Gcam or any other camera app work with AnBox?
 anbox has no hardware access so far
 Oufy
 (Photo, 590x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qwIk0UA3.png Screenshot (6 Jul 2020 20:53:02)
 @techie_karthee [<reply to media>], Uh, is this spam somehow,or just posted in the wrong place and divulging your personal info?
[15:52] <ubptgbot> MungoRae was added by: MungoRae
 eh?
 XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Negro + Mi Smart Band 4 - Falabella.com … https://www.falabella.com.pe/falabella-pe/product/prod11690645/Redmi-Note-8-Negro-+-Mi-Smart-Band-4/sku12510153
 ??
 What was that
 Spam? I didn't even read
 I'm sorry
 @Armin [Guys if you can't install ubuntu touch on your phone and want to have similar ap …], Nice work
 @Elias [Ok, because now it's harder to find Fairphone 2, because they have stopped the p …], Though they still sell all the parts, which are easily assembled 😜
 @ [Sailfish had a solution using OSM and Pure Maps navigation application. Can any …], I believe they have this
 https://open-store.io/app/osmscout-server.jonnius
 takes some doing, need to disable app suspension on it
 Hope new version of teleport will come soon
 it will i think
 @dohbee [it will i think], @Flohack said to me it should come in 2 weeks
 I can't wait for it
[19:26] <ubptgbot> Leanna Walker was added by: Leanna Walker
[19:45] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> I have receive my nexus 5 today and install ubports. I'm looking for a simple mail client anyone have a solution?
 Dekko
 dekko is the only native mail client; you can also use gmail/proton/etc via webapps
[19:48] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> Yes I've try dekko2 but don't work fine (bug)
[19:49] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> I can't for Gmail and another because it's for my business mail.
 Hello! I have received a pinephone. How do I turn on developer mode? I updated to a different channel and don't see the option in About.
 @popeydc [Hello! I have received a pinephone. How do I turn on developer mode? I updated t …], Hi Alan. There is a dedicated UT Pinephone group now
 oh cool
 got  a link?
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: Hello to all the new "Piners" that have been receiving their PinePhone UBports Community Edition. We welcome you and would like to say that both UBports, Pine64 and also the broader community will benefit from your contributions. … Get into the community conversation on Telegram: https://t.me/utonpine and
[19:57] <ubptgbot>  on both the Pine64 web forum: https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=125 … and the UBports forum: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2403/pinephone … Please also contribute by filing bugs at: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone/-/issues … #UBports #Pine64 #UbuntuTouch #PinePhone #Lomiri #Community
 @popeydc [got  a link?], @utonpine
 @popeydc [Hello! I have received a pinephone. How do I turn on developer mode? I updated t …], there is no adb on pinephone currently; ssh is there but still needs to be manually enabled. so just run `sudo start ssh` in the terminal
 Thanks
 ah ta
 and getting your public key copied over is of course needed before you can ssh to it (also, wifi)
 I have a new original case for the E5 here that i don't need any more, anyone want it?
 (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/iuWu30yG.png
 (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/55Jpmk9j.png
 pics don't do it justice, looks pretty elegant, actually
 Hmm should have known this some time ago, I used a Dremel to cut one from E5LTE or so to get the right openings, and it made it wonky ^^
 😂
 @Frédéric SIEBERT [I can't for Gmail and another because it's for my business mail.], you can't add a gmail account?
[20:09] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> @hacker12455 [you can't add a gmail account?], I can add but not sync. And when I want send a mail the apps crash.
 weird, here it works fine
 hm do you have two factor authentication on the account?
 @hacker12455 [hm do you have two factor authentication on the account?], If work mail, presumably compulsory?
[20:16] <ubptgbot> Gunaseelan R was added by: Gunaseelan R
 @Frédéric SIEBERT [I can't for Gmail and another because it's for my business mail.], I don't have this behavior. … To login on dekko with gmail you have to configure your gmail account to allow less secure apps and If I'm correct you shouldn't have two factor authentication
[20:20] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> @j2g2rp [I don't have this behavior. … To login on dekko with gmail you have to configure y …], OK... I must try. I don't know.
 Fwd from Lakotaubp: Work around for Google account https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/issues/40#issuecomment-633323381 Also make sure less secure apps is authorizied in your Google account security settings
[20:21] <gitbot> ubports issue 40 in account-plugins "Google: Unable to sign in Again" [Open]
 Oh haha
[20:53] <ubptgbot> The_Multiman was added by: The_Multiman
[22:19] <ubptgbot> Pamela Thorpe was added by: Pamela Thorpe
[23:16] <ubptgbot> <Leanna Walker> (Photo, 340x493) https://irc.ubports.com/XFUtrKDJ.png


[08:18] <john85> good morning all...or afternoon..or evening :)
[08:21] <john85> ok..hopefully my connection wont die again lol
[10:04] <_BIGSHOT_> why is cursor feeling sticky at left edge of the monitor
[10:04] <_BIGSHOT_> 17.04
[11:17] <_BIGSHOT_> 17.04 - there is screen tearing in dual monitor setup how to fix it?
[11:17] <_BIGSHOT_> intel nuc
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[22:32] <anas> hello
[22:33] <anas> I have a problem booting kubuntu after installing windows 10
 Yeah Windows bootloader takes over
 Have to reinstall grub
[22:33] <anas> how?
[22:34] <anas> how to reinstall grub?
[22:34] <anas> how to reinstall grub
[22:35] <anas> is it a bot or a real man?
[22:35] <DarinMiller> anas: try this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[22:36] <anas> I am checking it
[22:36] <era> hi
[22:38] <era> how can i remove the bs messages that kde wants to install firefox addons?
[22:38] <anas> can I reinstall grub inside windows without needing to a live cd?
[22:38] <DarinMiller> anas: I am not aware of any such tool to install grub from within windows.
[22:39] <anas> ah ok thank you
[22:39] <anas> [era] it is really annoying
[22:39] <anas> the firefox addons notification
[22:40] <DarinMiller> era: sorry, not sure how to disable the ff add-on prompt.
[22:40] <era> kde 5 seems much less modular then kde 4 to me :/
[22:41] <era> i have tried to turn off the clipboard tracking thingy before... but that is apparently irremovable now


[03:15] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:16] <Oxfuxxx> Ahoy lotuspsy
[03:16] <Oxfuxxx> What you doing? just woke up?
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:34] <Oxfuxxx> lotuspsychje: May i suggest your breakfast then?  I don't like wasabi. And algae base soupe/bouillon are not really my thing. I don't remember how they call that sauce they put in it.
[04:09] <Oxfuxxx> I much prefer spicy chineses soups.
[04:09] <Oxfuxxx> I don't know the noodles/ramen etc, not really my thing anyway i guess.
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah im a japan everything lover
[04:10] <Oxfuxxx> Fried pokemons for breakfast, best thing to start the day :P
[04:12] <Oxfuxxx> I like mangas a lot when teen/young adult, but now i don't read/look for that anymore.
[04:12] <Oxfuxxx> They got them mangas all over the place in the 80/90s in France.
[04:13] <daftykins> you gotta catch 'em first
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> did you see ninja scroll Oxfuxxx
[04:16] <Oxfuxxx> No.
[04:17] <Oxfuxxx> Nor..that kid ninja in orange or the 1 on the boat with his hat...last 1 i saw was not bad before 2010 it was death note.
[04:18] <daftykins> ah Death Note was good, i have the bluray box set of that
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> i grew up with dragonball Z and a lot of other japanese cartoons on french tv
[04:25] <Oxfuxxx> Yeah, same here.
[04:26] <Oxfuxxx> Hey lotuspsychje Did you had minitel in belgium before internet kicked in?
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> no, we did have a lil tv square looking like that though :p
[04:26] <lotuspsychje> with a flaky antenna ontop
[04:28] <Oxfuxxx> Yeah, i guess the phone network was restricted to France for that.
[04:29] <Oxfuxxx> There was some tchatting servers on that, i connected to this once or twice long time ago.
[04:29] <Oxfuxxx> sort of like IRC.
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> no, we had teletext lol
[04:31] <Oxfuxxx> Talking about manga, they did an IRL movie version of Gunnm alita battle angel and there is that new TV show serie cowboy bebop, just saw the trailer but i know nothing about it.
[04:31] <daftykins> Cowboy Bebop is neat, the original that is
[04:32] <Oxfuxxx> Yeah, but teletex was 1 way only, receive, cannot push informations to it. like radio/tv.
[04:32] <Oxfuxxx> daftykins: It looks action oriented.
[04:36] <daftykins> yeah, that's a fair statement
[05:59] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[06:11]  * lotuspsychje shuts his fridge
[06:14]  * daftykins hands lotus the padlock
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> oof
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> morning marcoagpinto :p
[06:22] <marcoagpinto> Morning
[06:22] <marcoagpinto> :)
[06:22] <marcoagpinto> I am coding
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> creating a function that turns string gadgets to red background if they are empty
[06:23] <marcoagpinto> (if null or spaces only)
[07:22] <ducasse> good morning


[00:51] <pwnguin> is there a list of ftbfs for arm?
[00:52] <pwnguin> the wiki has one last updated in like november
[01:14] <prpplague> davidm: ping
[02:08] <prpplague> Mirell: greetings
[02:52] <Mirell> 'allo
[08:17] <ogra> jldugger, http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/
[08:26] <amitk> ogra: just finished reading the massive scrollback from yesterdays apex debugging. Impressive work!
[08:27] <amitk> ogra: So it seems it isn't a kernel problem?
[08:27]  * amitk starts to read up on apex a bit
[08:32] <ogra> amitk, well, upstream answered my last mail on debian arm ... where i said "hello, my kernel panics if i choose more than 5M for the ramdisk size" ... with "yes, you can use up to 8M for the ramdisk"
[08:32] <ogra> its not all solved yet, but i have a workaround for now
[08:33] <ogra> whih i intend to upload so we get working daily builds as soon as there is a kernel ... but its something we surely need to revisit
[08:33] <ogra> *which
[08:34] <amitk> ogra: re: as soon as there is a kernel?
[08:34] <ogra> the kernel corruption thing itself is solved ...
[08:34] <ogra> amitk, our endiness is wrong
[08:34] <ogra> *endianess
[08:34] <amitk> ogra: ah right, i'll get that fixed
[08:34] <amitk> anything else you need in the ixp4xx image for this upload besides endianness?
[08:35] <ogra> and if i use the kernel not swappped with devio it stops after unpacking (not sure thats related to endianess mistmatches with apex, kernel and initramfs but i suspected so
[08:36] <ogra> only the NIC firmware ... doing a netinstall without NIC is quite tricky ;)
[08:36] <amitk> and that will be required for d-i too
[08:37] <ogra> right, but d-i builds udebs from linux-firmware
[08:37] <ogra> just a matter of adding the right udeb to the netinstall image
[08:37] <ogra> i might have kernel changes afterwards though, i couldnt test our kernel at all yet
[08:39] <ogra> (i.e. i dont know how it bevhaves in an installed system ...)
[08:40] <ogra> lool got it to boot directly from redboot during the sprint (which is why i suspect the non booting to just be an endianess issue in d-i) but we werent able to change the cmdline in redboot as everything at that stage is readonly
[08:41] <ogra> amitk, did you get your serianl port to work ?
[08:41] <ogra> *serial
[08:43] <amitk> ogra: removing the solder blobs is being a problem, i've got to go and get a desoldering braid
[08:44] <ogra> yeah, though davidm managed to just blow it out of the holes, i had to use a pump
[08:44] <amitk> blowing it sounds dangerous, though he has a ton more experience than I do
[17:56] <alesan> hi
[17:58] <alesan> I have this board with an ARM, 128MB of memory, USB, ethernet, serial, VGA, audio, PS/2; I wrote all the drivers. Can I run Ubuntu on it?
[18:07] <ogra> sure
[18:07] <ogra> see the last link in the topic
[18:08] <alesan> well
[18:08] <alesan> I think my board is not a ready target
[18:09] <alesan> it will require the proper drivers for example
[18:10] <alesan> even an headless image would require my ethernet drivers
[18:10] <alesan> or - maybe I'm mistaken and this rootfs does not contain the kernel
[18:12] <ogra> right, its only the userspace
[18:13] <ogra> if yu have a kernel, use that, if you can push your drivers upstream to kernel.org we can fully support your board in jaunty+1
[18:45] <alesan> yeah :) that would be nice
[18:45] <alesan> just as an information, when is likely to be the "freeze" for j+1 ?
[18:48] <ogra> hard to predict, the j+1 schedule will only be finalized at the next developer summit ... which is in may
[18:49] <ogra> jaunty releases in april ... feature freeze for jaunty is next week
[18:50] <ogra> feature freeze is usually the point where stuff like that needs to be in ... given that j+1 will happen in october it might be around august
[18:58] <alesan> yeah but it is hard by that time my drivers will be in an official kernel release
[18:59] <alesan> it's a lot of stuff in many subsystems
[19:00] <ogra> well, if you can get them into .29 or .30 we'll get them for free from upstream
[19:00] <ogra> then supporting your HW is a non issue, just a matter of enabling the .config
[19:01] <alesan> yeah
[19:01] <alesan> listen as a side question
[19:02] <alesan> openoffice is actually running on ARM?
[19:02] <ogra> on some HW, yes
[19:02] <ogra> i doubt you will get it running properly on 128M though
[19:02] <alesan> do you have an idea of the requirements?
[19:02] <ogra> it will *run* but not be fun
[19:03] <alesan> or an hardware that is known to run it? just as comparison with what I have here on this board
[19:03] <ogra> if you want to support ubuntu-desktop including firefox and openoffice your HW should have above 256M and above 500MHz
[19:03] <alesan> yeah :) it's a pity, I remember when I was able to run office97 on a 16MB PC :( nowadays 128MB are too little
[19:03] <ogra> i doubt there is any HW public yet
[19:03] <alesan> ah ok
[19:05] <ogra> http://www.notebooks.com/2009/01/07/new-generation-of-netbooks-199-and-299-eight-hour-battery-sexy-design/
[19:05] <ogra> something like that will likely run ubuntu-desktop incl. openoffic fine
[19:09] <alesan> by the way, what about Koffice, it used to be lighter than OOo
[19:09]  * ogra hasnt tried any QT based stuff on arm yet
[19:09] <ogra> i know xubuntu and gcoffice work fine though
[19:09] <ogra> even on the beagleboard i have if i add some swap and a USB disk
[19:10] <ogra> (so that IO times are not to huge)
[19:11] <alesan> gcoffice = ?? I only found a german cheese office with that name :)
[19:11] <ogra> abiword and gnumeric
[19:12] <ogra> the actual so called "gnome office"
[19:46] <alesan> the moment you create this rootfs... what format is that? it is likely the way to mount it is with a USB key right?
[21:59] <ogra> alesan, its a tgz that you csn untar on any kind of partition (given it has the right size)
[21:59] <ogra> *can
[21:59] <ogra> if you use the --notarball option it will create a qemu image instead
[21:59] <ogra> so you can play with it in qemu-system-arm


[17:24] <balloons> finally setup znc.. the only weird thing I found was there warnings about not hand editing the configuration file.. I found this extremely odd given they are using a nice easy to read conf file layout. There solution was to use the webmin interface (umm.. I'm on a server), or use the self proclaimed undocumented *admin commands. I edited the file by hand anyway and got what I wanted
[18:48] <mhall119> balloons: how's that working for you?
[19:56] <balloons> mhall119: it's working out pretty well.. without I would have missed your reply :-) Since for right now I'm still mobile and disconnected running around with a laptop, it wouldn't otherwise be possible for me to stay on IRC
[19:56] <balloons> the setup was pretty much 2 lines.. apt-get install znc, znc --makeconf
[20:44] <mhall119> balloons: I keep irssi running on my ec2 server, and just ssh into it
[20:44] <mhall119> thinking about using something like znc though
[20:50] <balloons> yes, I messed about with irssi a little bit.. I ultimately didn't end up using it.. But as you can see.. I'm on ec2 with znc.. didn't even bother with dns masking
[20:51] <balloons> since I'm more apt to use xchat on the desktop, and a native android client on the phone, I ended up ditching irssi.. But that is another solution.. Normally I like console interfaces.. I think I need more time
[20:54] <balloons> on my setup, I was going to do a writeup about it, but in the end it was really simple.. There's alot more that could be done, but I'm happy with this as-is for now. I'll share it with you when it's ready for consumption :-)
[20:55] <mhall119> sounds good
[20:55] <mhall119> I'll probably stick with irssi, but would like to run it locally rather than over ssh
[20:57] <balloons> on the sharing note I suppose I should set-up another blog for this type of stuff.. I don't really have a public face that is attached to my real name atm
[21:05] <travisHAZE> Anybody here in the Pinellas County area? If so, do you know of any place thats explicitly hiring?
[21:28] <mhall119> balloons: you can get one on voices.canonical.com
[21:28] <mhall119> once you start
[21:28] <mhall119> travisHAZE: there are some programming positions in Tampa I've heard about, Java I think
[21:29] <balloons> travisHaze: I would second that.. Recently HSN has been hiring, among some others
[21:29] <balloons> mhall119: thanks.. I'll hold out for that perhaps :-)
[21:29] <travisHAZE> Tampa is too far
[21:29] <travisHAZE> I'm homeless with $33 to my name
[21:29] <travisHAZE> Using internet by the grace of my school
[21:30] <mhall119> travisHAZE: I drove from Lakeland to the St. Pete Times building for 4 months
[21:30] <travisHAZE> Yeah, but have you walked?
[21:30] <mhall119> nope
[21:30] <balloons> does your school have any oppurtunties?  Where do you attend school?
[21:30] <mhall119> I suppose walking would limit your commuting radius
[21:30] <travisHAZE> SPC, putting in an application here in a few min
[21:31] <travisHAZE> If I can FIND a job that will pay, I have no problem buying a bus pass
[21:31] <balloons> biking does extend your reach a bit.. that might be an option. Florida is great for being able to bike.. Though pinellas county is so-so
[21:31] <mhall119> even if it's part-time computer lab technician, they usually hire students for that
[21:31] <travisHAZE> What kind of companies hire a computer lab technician?
[21:31] <mhall119> the school I mean
[21:31] <balloons> right.. on-campus jobs when your in school are perfect
[21:32] <travisHAZE> Computer Lab Technician = Person who supervises computer lab?
[21:32] <mhall119> yeah
[21:33] <travisHAZE> I'll ask the lady right nowsince I'm there
[21:33] <mhall119> helps other students open MS Word and print stuff
[21:33] <balloons> help desk is another place.. they hire students for that as well.. answer phone and do similar tech support
[21:34] <travisHAZE> Call centers typically wont even interview me
[21:34] <travisHAZE> Many of them know my mother
[21:34] <travisHAZE> But I'll definitely try, I'm not above trying
[21:36] <travisHAZE> lol too bad I can't be a dean at spc
[21:36] <travisHAZE> plenty of openings for that
[21:49] <maxolasersquad> balloons: You got a job with Canonical?
[21:52] <balloons> maxolasersquad: yes, I will be joining mhall119 on the community team, focusing on QA
[21:53] <maxolasersquad> Congratulations, that's awesome.
[21:53] <maxolasersquad> I need one of those Canonical jobs ... perhaps one day.
[21:54] <maxolasersquad> I was going to try to do some stuff with the ARB, but I can't get them to recognize my existance.
[21:54] <balloons> thank you :-) I'm really excitied about the possibilities
[23:48] <zus>  hi yeah


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 this is amazing!!! @kc2bez wxl https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/pull/535
 @HMollerCl [this is amazing!!! @kc2bez wxl https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/pull/535], Very interesting. That issue has been hanging out for a while now.
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 wxl: you around?
[17:58] <wxl> kinda. just been so busy.
 How do we sync the following packages to phab? Newer versions are present in archives but not in phab. … liblxqt, libsysstat, nm-tray, pcmanfm-qt, qterminal, xscreensaver
[17:59] <wxl> same way we sync'd the other ones
 And that is...?
[18:00] <wxl> git clone from phab, grab the diff from the archives, apply it, push
 I want to do that but when I search for liblxqt on launchpad, I can't seem to find the source. 🤷🏻♂
 I will try again in a while.
[18:02] <wxl> check out pull-lp-source
[18:02] <wxl> ddg !upkg liblxqt
 @wxl [<wxl> ddg !upkg liblxqt], Sare. Will try.
[18:03] <wxl> you'll find diffs, debs, sources both upstream and in debian plus you have the actual code, too
 Noice!
 I didn't know ddg had this capability.
[18:05] <wxl> yeah look at all the bangs. there are some other good ones like dpkg and lpbug etc
[18:09] <kc2bez> ddg !deb is helpful too
 My mobile data reset so I can download isos at modern speeds. Lemme know if you need help testing dailies. I've got VMs and bare metal :)
[19:17] <wxl> always do
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[18:20] <michaelramm_work> greetings and salutations
[18:24] <desertc> hello  :D
[18:27] <michaelramm_work> new to the MKT team
[18:27] <michaelramm_work> missed the meeting last night..darn you UTC!!
[22:13] <michaelramm_work> how long until the logs from last night are posted?


[08:03] <dholbach> good morning
[13:04] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: When you're around can you look at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-November/001355.html and let me know what you think? I can upload a fix for 0.9 (probably 0.9ubuntu1), or upload any version you want to Hardy.
[14:06] <ian_brasil> caramba, some heavy stuff about gnome mobile here http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/11/26/gnome-board-2007-candidates-the-bad/
[14:09] <henrix> outch!
[16:58] <lool> ian_brasil: I don't think Murray has sufficient access to attest the issues he raises concerning mobile
[17:13] <ian_brasil> lool: the failings so far have been issues of transparency and failing to define standards/components IMO and i don't see how any one person can be responsible for this when it is a company which has contributed most of the code.....and anyway calling someone psychotic is just one step removed from calling them Hitler and a good candidate for invoking Godwin's law if you ask me
[17:19] <lool> ian_brasil: Right, I doubt Jeff is to blame on the transparency of the mobile stuff
[17:22] <guardian> the company being ? nokia ?
[17:26] <ian_brasil> guardian: right, and even this I believe is not intentional..just a large company finding its way into open source and getting some things wrong and learning from its mistakes
[17:26] <lool> I think things take time in large companies, and they do things differently, such as press releases :)
[17:53] <ToddBrandt> StevenK: I'll look at it today, sorry for the delay
[18:32] <raji> asac: Are you there?
[18:36] <asac> raji: not anymore :) .. will be back later most likely
[18:39] <raji> asac: I posing a question about nm-applet, please answer it when you have time, what is the purpose of the 'Create new wireless network'. I am expecting that a new adhoc network will be created , but that feature does not work on our moblin environment, I meant no new network is created.
[18:46] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: Nasty stuff about Jeff Waugh
[22:04] <davidm> HappyCamp, HappyCamp_ubuntu , what is your name?
[22:08] <HappyCamp> davidm, John Villalovos
[22:09] <HappyCamp> davidm, https://launchpad.net/~happycamp
[22:09] <davidm> Thanks John
[22:10] <davidm> Your  IRC client was defeating me, it's says your "Somebody" or "New Now Know How" :-)
[22:10] <HappyCamp_ubuntu> davidm: Oh, I should probably fix that.
[22:12] <davidm> I use that a lot to track who I'm talking with until I memorize the NICK which sometimes takes me a bit...  Too many nicks too few brain cells... ;-)
[23:33] <robr> amitk / davidm : ping
[23:39] <StevenK> ToddBrandt: I'm around now if you want to bug me to do something.
[23:41] <davidm> robr, pong
[23:42] <robr> davidm: paul p tells me of a disconnect with what you're asking for on the Gfx drivers and what requests i received from your engineers
[23:43] <davidm> Not sure yet, apparently Amit pushed back on something but Paul and Don don't know why he pushed back ie: is is broken or is it just not the "newest"
[23:43] <davidm> If it's broken there is no real issue, if it's not "newest" it might be
[23:43] <robr> davidm: you were copied on the email
[23:43] <robr> i will forward it to you again
[23:44] <davidm> Thanks I must have missed it or not understood that we were raising a flag.
[23:44] <davidm> I'll look for it and read carefully
[23:45] <robr> i got the same request on libexa from bryce and others supporting X to use the version of libexa that comes with the version in either gutsy or hardy
[23:46] <robr> davidm: the version of libexa in gutsy is 2.1 and in hardy it's 2.2 , PSB Gfx drivers require 2.2 plus some changes
[23:46] <davidm> I know that we need hardy support so that is 2.2 and Paul wants hardy support
[23:47] <robr> davidm: the problem with drm.ko is the gfx driver requires the upstream version from the xorg project not the downstream 2.6.24 kernel -- it basically means you have to maintain two incompatible versions of drm.ko
[23:48] <robr> davidm: amit's request is actually rather reasonable
[23:48] <davidm> OK, perhaps I need to read the email completely to understand the issue.
[23:49] <davidm> I would actually expect that from Amit
[23:52] <davidm> robr  I'm reading now.
[23:54] <davidm> robr are you registered here on FreeNode?
[23:55] <robr> this alias is


[09:38] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120824/
[09:38] <ogra_> there we go
[09:38] <ogra_> ac100 lubuntu
[09:39] <ogra_> wow, and only 400M
[09:39] <lilstevie> nice
[09:40] <lilstevie> I've recently renewed some work on the tf101
[09:40] <lilstevie> (took long enough) :p
[09:40] <ogra_> heh
[09:40] <lilstevie> but u-boot won't play ball with my usb keyboard :/
[09:41] <ogra_> get a bluetooth one
[09:41] <ogra_> will surely be better :P
[09:41] <lilstevie> u-boot
[09:41] <lilstevie> :p
[09:41] <ogra_> yeah, that was the joke :P
[09:41] <lilstevie> instead I have started writing a driver for the dock keyboard
[09:41] <ogra_> ++
[09:41] <ogra_> ood move
[09:41] <ogra_> *good even
[09:42] <lilstevie> we have no serial
[09:42] <lilstevie> so playing with involves putting a boot.scr with the commands I want to execute on a usb stick
[09:43] <lilstevie> speaking of u-boot though, documentation on device tree stuff is really lacking
[09:43] <ogra_> yep
[09:43]  * ogra_ agrees
[09:44] <lilstevie> is there any documentation anywhere that could give me a hand, so far I have had nothing but fail in trying to get a kernel running using a device tree
[09:48] <ogra_> i dont know of an, oogle ...
[09:48] <ogra_> *google
[09:48] <lilstevie> yeah tried that
[09:48] <lilstevie> :(
[09:49] <lilstevie> fragments, none of which seem to help tegra
[09:51] <ogra_> well, what i know is that you need a devicetree file and u-boot needs to load it somehow
[09:56] <lilstevie> heh
[09:56] <lilstevie> well I managed that part
[09:57] <ogra_> and indeed your u-boot version needs to know how to handle it
[10:03] <lilstevie> and ran the fdt commands
[10:03] <lilstevie> yeah, I'm using the l4t-r15 u-boot
[11:03] <marvin24> lilstevie: what's the problem?
[11:04] <marvin24> on ac100 the device tree get appended to the u-boot binary
[11:04] <marvin24> which is transfered to the kernel later in the boot process
[11:05] <marvin24> the problem is that kernel has a slightly different device tree than u-boot
[11:07] <ogra_> ouch
[11:07] <ogra_> it shouldnt, should it ?
[11:07] <marvin24> no it shouldn't
[11:07] <ogra_> (at least by my knowledge of DT one DT file should work with bootloader as welll as kernel)
[11:08] <marvin24> but mainline u-boot isn't updated yet
[11:08] <marvin24> but I guess you can just copy the kernel dt to u-boot
[11:08] <marvin24> as long as the syntax is equal
[11:09] <marvin24> ogra_: is the new quantal image installable?
[11:09] <ogra_> marvin24, havent tested it since teh switch to lubuntu, download is just done
[11:10] <marvin24> I wonder if it also has the limitation to be only installable to the internal mmc
[11:10] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-preinstalled/20120824/
[11:10] <marvin24> I will try out later
[11:10] <ogra_> i havent changed anything in the installer
[11:10] <ogra_> everything should work/fail as it did before :)
[11:11] <marvin24> :-(
[11:12]  * ogra_ doesnt get what was broken, for me all install variants worked last time i tested
[11:32] <ogra_> ah, sweet i'm in lubuntus oem-config :)
[11:32] <ogra_> X took quite long to come up ... i already thought it had crashed
[11:33] <marvin24> maybe it restarted several times
[11:33] <ogra_> might be, i'll check the logs once i can
[11:34] <ogra_> hmm, weird that they use the same slideshow
[11:34] <ogra_> doesnt really match the color theme
[11:37] <xnox> oh their slideshow was crashing or something
[11:37] <ogra_> ah
[11:37]  * xnox ponders if I should continue ubiquity development on lubuntu
[11:37] <ogra_> yay, oem-config survived ... i'm in package removal
[11:37] <xnox> ogra_: based on the foundations-team report, is there a bug tracking compiz llvmpipe landing in ubuntu?
[11:38] <ogra_> not yet, no
[11:38] <xnox> and will there be a release meeting today?
[11:38] <ogra_> and i'm pretty sure we wont enable it at all for arm builds
[11:38] <ogra_> ask kate :)
[11:38] <ogra_> i have it on my gcal but that doesnt mean much :)
[11:39] <ogra_> xnox, we're still waiting for input from doko in the mail discussion about llvmpipe (thouh i suspect he wont maically pull code out of a hat that makes arm work)
[11:39] <ogra_> yay, "removing cryptsetp" :)
[11:39] <ogra_> *setup
[11:40] <ogra_> lightdm !
[11:41]  * ogra_ logs in
[11:41] <ogra_> heh
[11:41] <ogra_> the games subment uses the same icon for all games
[11:41] <ogra_> *submenu
[11:48] <ogra_> marvin24, so at least the default install works just fine here
[11:48]  * ogra_ is surprised to see the initial desktop use 267MB
[11:48] <ogra_> thats way more than unity-2d used
[11:49] <ogra_> (about 100M)
[11:49] <marvin24> nice it worked so far
[11:49] <marvin24> I will try install on sd card then
[11:50] <ogra_> hmm, chromium is not working
[11:55] <xnox> crashes?
[11:55] <xnox> it did for me, i switched to chrome
[11:55] <ogra_> yep
[11:55] <ogra_> on your panda ?
[11:55]  * xnox 'for me' usually means 'on my amd64'
[11:55] <ogra_> ah
[11:55]  * xnox has no screen for panda remember =)
[11:55] <ogra_> well, there is always ssh -X
[11:55] <ogra_> ;)
[11:57] <ogra_> sigh, apport
[12:02] <xnox> aport - is the command you give your dog to 'fetch' in Russian
[12:03] <ogra_> haha
[12:15]  * ogra_ tries suspend
[12:15] <ogra_> bah
[12:18] <xnox> let me just tell you =) quantal daily amd64 is awesome in the VM: no dash, no indicators, no panel on the top. Simply a pretty background + icon install ubuntu
[12:18] <xnox> simply precise =) awesome
[12:18] <ogra_> haha
[12:19] <ogra_> you should try it on the panda ... there its awesome and breaking :)
[12:20] <xnox> i am pretty sure that it's the fallback metacity without any acceleration
[12:20] <xnox> btw what did happen to the gnome fallback (ubuntu classic)
[12:30]  * ogra_ thinks now that he has to look at xcreensaver again regulary it is time to reintroduce the xft patch for the unlock window as infinity suggested
[12:30] <ogra_> this thing is just to ugly
[12:35] <xnox> ogra_: see what unity does to you! calling other projects "too ugly"
[12:49] <lilstevie> marvin24, screen black (backlight on) and nothing
[13:01] <marvin24> lilstevie: serial console available?
[13:01] <lilstevie> no
[13:02] <marvin24> if the kernel is compiled for device tree support and no dt is supplied it will just stop
[13:02] <lilstevie> not enough resources have gone into locating the serial
[13:02] <marvin24> hacking u-boot without a serial console is ...
[13:03] <lilstevie> by supplying dt you mean fatload ; fdt address {blah}; fdt resize; bootm
[13:03] <marvin24> lilstevie: mmh, we use u-boot-dtb.bin
[13:03] <lilstevie> without a serial console is... fun? :p
[13:04] <marvin24> which does not require loading it from somewhere else
[13:04] <lilstevie> hm
[13:04] <marvin24> do you have patches for tf101 on mainline?
[13:05] <marvin24> 3.1 kernel won't boot with device tree anyway
[13:05] <lilstevie> oh
[13:05] <lilstevie> even though it has generic DT support?
[13:05] <marvin24> yes
[13:05] <lilstevie> that could be the issue
[13:05] <marvin24> a *lot* of dt work went into mainline in the last version
[13:05] <lilstevie> ah
[13:06] <marvin24> that's what the nvidia folks mostly did over the last months
[13:06] <marvin24> mainline just removed board file support ;-)
[13:06] <lilstevie> :)
[13:07] <marvin24> so, better spend your time towrite a nice device tree file for tf*01
[13:07] <marvin24> and add u-boot support
[13:08] <lilstevie> well the seaboard device tree pretty much works with a resolution change
[13:08] <marvin24> so you got mainline kernel working already?
[13:08] <lilstevie> no u-boot
[13:08] <marvin24> ah
[13:09] <marvin24> I think linux kernel support should be a big problem then
[13:10] <lilstevie> haven't really tried much past trying to get the device tree to load on a working 3.1
[13:27] <lilstevie> marvin24, is the ac100 stuff somewhere?
[13:56] <rsalveti> ogra_: hey, any news about the pvr driver?
[13:56] <rsalveti> :-)
[14:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, didnt infinity upload it yesterday ?
[14:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: nops
[14:39] <ogra_> yeah, doesnt seem to be in any queue
[14:39] <ogra_> i'm in a call now, will take care afterwards
[14:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: great, thanks
[14:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, uploaded (will be stuck in NEW now)
[14:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: did you also upload libdri2?
[14:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: bug 1040611
[14:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040611 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libdri2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040611
[14:48] <ogra_> only libdri2 yet
[14:48] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[14:48] <rsalveti> good, we can poke infinity when he's back on-line
[14:48] <ogra_> under the assumption that NEW processing might take a bit
[14:49] <rsalveti> we just need to get someone from the desktop to update compiz again
[14:49] <rsalveti> now using the right revision
[14:49] <ogra_> seeing seb128's release report on the ubuntu-release ML they are aware it seems
[14:50] <ogra_> "* compiz GLES landing to compiz-trunk, needs to be tested and released"
[14:50] <ogra_> seems they wait for an upstream release for it
[15:02] <rsalveti> got it
[15:38] <Laney> ogra_: Care to take a look at http://ubuntuone.com/0E3feYdrhGY1ywL9vNBjbS and tell me what I did wrong please? That's a netboot install on my panda using the latest fb image. :-)
[15:39] <ogra_> Laney, they system needs the SD card to boot (and write the bootloader to it during install)
[15:39] <ogra_> so dont unplug it ;)
[15:40] <ogra_> sorry, i'm behind with the install instructions, the wiki should say that
[15:40] <Laney> unplug? I unplugged nothing
[15:40] <Laney> I just did what this says http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/NetBoot
[15:40] <ogra_> how did you boot the netboot image ?
[15:40] <ogra_> and the Sd is still in the slot ?
[15:41] <Laney> yes
[15:41] <ogra_> hmm
[15:41] <Laney> unless it fell out ...
[15:41] <ogra_> probably bug 806751
[15:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 806751 in debian-installer "Boot partition on SD is too small on omap/omap4" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806751
[15:41] <Laney> Fix Released?
[15:42] <ogra_> though that shouldnt say "is not a block device"
[15:42] <Laney> I'm installing with / on an attached USB drive if that matters
[15:43] <ogra_> thats fine
[15:43] <ogra_> and you used guided partitioning ?
[15:43] <Laney> manual → select free space → auto partition
[15:44] <ogra_> hmm
[15:44] <Laney> I think it made a separate /boot partition
[15:45] <ogra_> yes, it does that by default
[15:48] <Laney> ho hum
[15:48]  * Laney gets a live image instead
[15:48] <ogra_> noo !
[15:49] <ogra_> get a server image at best :)
[15:49] <ogra_> desktop is totally borked due to the removal of unity-2d
[15:49] <Laney> argh, really?
[15:49] <ogra_> yep
[15:49] <ogra_> llvmpipe on arm doesnt work...
[15:49] <Laney> sigh
[15:49] <ogra_> and there is no 2D desktop anymore ...
[15:50] <ogra_> nor are there 3D drivers yet
[15:50] <ogra_> the alpha milestone might work ... but you should refrain from upgradin
[15:54] <Laney> i'll just get that and hold unity-2d then
[15:54] <ogra_> that should work
[15:55] <ogra_> sorry, that netboot didnt work out for you, i'll have a look over the weekend what that is
[15:55] <ogra_> weird error ... really
[15:56] <Laney> I chose the desktop task so it would have been a bit doomed anyway :P
[15:56] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[15:58] <Laney> there was a weird "Ubuntu Desktop (USB)" task too — wonder what that's about
[15:59] <ogra_> tasksel should be able to tell
[15:59] <ogra_> it should have at least a long description (that d-i doesnt show i think)
[16:08] <xnox> ogra_: shall we ship gnome-session-fallback on arm then?
[16:08] <xnox> to unbreak desktop images
[16:09] <ogra_> xnox, nope, we're waiting for NEW prosessing of libdrm2 and will then have the new GLES driver in the archive shortly after
[16:09] <ogra_> no need to invest time into hacks
[16:17] <furan> is there some way to dump the sym versions using a kernel image?
[16:17] <furan> I tried looking at /proc/kallsyms but that doesn't give me the versions
[20:09] <rolf__> I am running a padaboard. is a dist-upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 server to 12.04 server a standard procedure or is there anythins special to take care of?
[20:09] <rolf__> How much time will such a dist-upgrade take?
[20:10] <infinity> rolf__: Given that 12.04 was the introduction of armhf as our supported arch, I'd recommend a reinstall.
[20:10] <infinity> rolf__: But dist-upgrading your armel install should work fine.
[20:11] <infinity> (It'll just not be armhf)
[20:14] <rolf__> thank you