[06:07] <rizza> anyone home
[06:12] <rizza> need help with net install
[11:26] <Fezzler> Hello
[11:26] <Fezzler> Hi


[00:44] <crimsun> amitk_: unfortunately, no.  I've often started by mv'ing /etc/udev/rules.d/85-alsa.rules out of the way so that on a fresh boot, asound.state isn't `alsactl restore`'d at all
[00:46] <amitk_> crimsun: would it be that hard to create a minimal asound.state with fore example Master, PCM, Line In?
[00:47] <amitk_> crimsun: the problem we are trying to solve is not having to 1. delete asound.state, 2. kill mixer applet, 3. rmmod driver 4. modprobe driver just to get a clean slate
[00:48] <crimsun> amitk_: the cleanest slate that can be gotten is simply not to `alsactl restore` on boot
[00:49] <crimsun> amitk_: even with a "minimal" asound.state, there's no guarantee said mixer elements are even enumerated :/
[00:49] <amitk_> crimsun: we want to _try_ one step better. Instead of a clean slate, give 'em a minimal default that is known to work on majority of that HW
[00:50] <amitk_> crimsun: I understand the codec wiring will dictate a lot of details, but surely everyone will have Master, PCM and Line In?
[00:51] <crimsun> amitk_: nope, some emu10k-based ones don't
[00:51] <crimsun> a lot of usb ones don't
[00:52] <crimsun> for HDA, Conexant, Realtek, and Sigmatel should
[00:52] <amitk_> will 3-4 such minimal configs cover 90% of the HW out there?
[00:52] <crimsun> hmm, yes
[00:54] <crimsun> I'm guessing that 90% of the HW will be PCI-based, with the vast majority being HDA
[00:55] <amitk_> crimsun: so if we can have them pre-installed as say, asound.state.intel, asound.state.dell or whatever, we could ask the user to check if sound works with 'alsactl -F -f <path to asound.state> restore'
[00:56] <crimsun> amitk_: yes, that is feasible
[00:56] <amitk_> crimsun: it could even be exposed in the mixer applet UI
[00:59] <amitk_> crimsun: I can try to come up with something for HDA, Realtek, Sigmatel stuff. Could you help with the USB, emu10k ones?
[01:00] <crimsun> amitk_: I'm afraid I can't promise, but I certainly will try.
[01:00] <amitk_> crimsun: ok... thanks Daniel. I will keep you posted on this.
[01:00] <crimsun> amitk_: http://pastebin.ca/search.php?q=alsa-info&s=Search should help
[01:01] <crimsun> amitk_: for some time, we've been accumulating pastebinned codec dumps
[01:03] <amitk_> crimsun: great... this might prove handy
[05:11] <Hasufin> ....imbrandon or zul around?
[05:12] <Hasufin> ..........was looking for imbrandon's fatx module
[05:13] <Hasufin> id rather try not and ...... well you know, recreate the wheel
[05:36] <Hasufin> im just reading old irc logs
[05:36] <Hasufin> tons of info :P
[05:39] <Hasufin> themuse - yeah I have that
[05:39] <Hasufin> but it was my understanding, he got the thing built
[05:39] <Hasufin> and had it up on his website somewhere :)
[05:40] <TheMuso> Hasufin: Ah ok.
[05:40] <Hasufin> or they had a patch or something
[05:40] <Hasufin> Ive been reading irc logs
[05:41] <Hasufin> thanks for replying and looking that up btw -- I appreciate it
[05:41] <TheMuso> Hasufin: Are you willing to build it for your kernel yourself?
[05:42] <Hasufin> Yeah, I'll have to get into the wiki's and such
[05:42] <Hasufin> I haven't built kernel modules since........ uh
[05:42] <Hasufin> redhat 6.x/suse 7.x days
[05:42] <Hasufin> or built a kernel since then
[05:44] <Hasufin> hmm
[05:44] <Hasufin> i think im going to have to do the exact same thing he did
[05:44] <Hasufin> he has a test fatx image posted
[05:44] <Hasufin> but doens't have the module source or anything so
[05:44] <Hasufin> this will be a learning exercise :)
[05:50] <Hasufin> i just realized something
[05:50] <Hasufin> wrong srever/cahnnel
[06:50] <Hasufin> Zul -- (or imbrandon) if you have that patch........ :) i'd appreciate if you pointed it to me.
[08:28] <kraut> moin
[10:37] <imbrandon> Hasufin: what kernel version are you looking for the patch for ?
[10:37] <Hasufin> im on gutsy
[10:37] <Hasufin> 2.6.22-14
[10:38] <Hasufin> generic
[10:38] <Hasufin> .............if you only knew what ive been thru tonight to get a damn dos boot disk modified :)
[10:38] <Hasufin> well... a dos boot iso
[10:38] <Hasufin> i didn't find a program to pull out a binary boot image off an iso....
[10:38] <Hasufin> holy crap has it been heck :P
[10:39] <Hasufin> anyways another story
[10:41] <imbrandon> ok i have two diffrent patches, one for the kernel to run ON the xbox, and one to just run on gutsy x86 and read/write fatx filestsems
[10:41] <imbrandon> i'm guessing you need the latter ?
[10:41] <Hasufin> yes :)
[10:42] <Hasufin> hard drive is getting read errors
[10:42] <Hasufin> so I need to run ddrescue on it to get all my xbox stuff off it
[10:42] <imbrandon> ahh, is it unlocked or locked ?
[10:42] <imbrandon> this wont unlock the drive
[10:42] <imbrandon> it has to be unlocked by the xbox or xbhdm
[10:43] <Hasufin> why im doing the whole dos thing
[10:43] <Hasufin> trying varios spare drives i have to see if they are lockable
[10:43] <Hasufin> I have the password, etc
[10:43] <Hasufin> so I can unlock it
[10:44] <Hasufin> the drive just has a lot of bad sectors on it......
[10:44] <imbrandon> ahh ok, do you have xbhdm ? ( btw mostly any modern ide drive can be locked )
[10:44] <Hasufin> which is causing linux not to boot... or to install
[10:44] <Hasufin> ....no i don't have that...
[10:44] <Hasufin> what is it?
[10:44] <Hasufin> i haven't seen it in any of the readme's
[10:45] <imbrandon> xbox hard drive maker , it is a custom linux boot cd, that has the fatx modules, xbox harddrive clone utils etc
[10:45] <Hasufin> :P
[10:45] <Hasufin> wow
[10:45] <Hasufin> nice
[10:45] <imbrandon> one  sec lemme find it
[10:45] <Hasufin> I will google it
[10:45] <imbrandon> is more what you need
[10:45] <Hasufin> well yes
[10:45] <Hasufin> that would help me not have to do the insmod.... mount rmmod thing on my desktop
[10:47] <imbrandon> ok here is the link, its 100% legal etc, but you can only gget it via torrent
[10:47] <imbrandon> http://www.torrentz.com/ec05e2c927a69699896a929d9c73eeacce07838d
[10:48] <imbrandon> read the README with it, but basicly there is a shellscripot in that zip that will make a custom iso just for your xbox with the eprom backup from your xbox or hdd passord
[10:49] <imbrandon> boot off that iso with your xbox hdd as the only drive attached ( and past this feel free to join me in #buntubox , we're getting a little OT for -kernel )
[11:06] <imbrandon> zul, did you ever commit the fatx stuff to l-u-m ?
[12:30] <voyo> hi there, anyone alive? need to ask about format of kallsyms
[16:43] <blueyed> Is somebody not affected by bug 177713? How can I debug this?
[16:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in linux "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[17:13] <mtretin> Can anyone help me figure out why ACPI support causes my IDE drives not to be recognized?
[17:16] <blueyed> mtretin: what do you mean with "not to be recognized"?
[17:18] <mtretin> w/o ACPI support, using the AHCI driver for my hdd and PIIX driver for my cdrom, when the kernel says it probes ide0 and ide1 it picks up my drive as /dev/hdb - when I turn *on* ACPI support int he kernel this doesn't happen
[17:18] <mtretin> blueyed: but it it doesn't pick the drive up as /dev/srX either
[17:20] <blueyed> mtretin: unfortunately I have no clue, but others might help you know better (with this info). Have you search for a bug about it on launchpad.net?
[17:20] <mtretin> I've been google searching for about a week for something relevant, and there are a few fixes -- none of which have worked, I'll try laynchpad now
[17:23] <maks_> did you check for /dev/sdX mtretin
[17:23] <maks_> above you speak about srX
[17:23] <mtretin> maks_: yup, there's nothing but /dev/sda :(
[17:32] <maks_> mtretin: what's your config?
[17:32] <maks_> are you using stock kernels
[17:33] <mtretin> maks_: I've treid stock, custom rebuilds using stock sources, and rebuilds using vanilla
[17:33] <maks_> 2.6.24-rc7 ?
[17:34] <mtretin> <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:36] <maks_> 23 is a strange release i don't trust it much..
[17:37] <mtretin> I'm meaning to try .24 (that's latest unstable, right?) but time keeps in slipping into /dev/null
[17:38] <maks_> we have test builds on the debian side i guess ubuntu too
[17:38] <maks_> they should just install fine
[17:40] <mtretin> maks_: I switched to Ubuntu hoping everything woudl work out of box, so, I'd love to install one - but what repository is it in?
[17:42] <maks_> trunk http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel
[17:51] <blueyed> maks_: Thanks for the hint, I can use those images instead of building it from git myself to test if my regression is still there.
[18:10] <blueyed> bleh. idle regression still in 2.6.24-rc7-686 from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel
[18:10] <blueyed> Is this enough to send it to the upstream bugtracker? (.config might be involved, so I'll include it of course)
[18:34] <bullgard4> uswsusp (0.6~cvs20070618-1ubuntu2) gutsy; urgency=low; mjg59: "* Don't build s2ram. It's not sensible on Ubuntu." I understand 'sensible' = reasonable. What is the reason?
[18:36] <mjg59> Because we use pm-utils
[18:36] <mjg59> And, in earlier versions, acpi-support
[18:36] <mjg59> There's no reason to provide multiple packages that do exactly the same thing
[18:36] <mjg59> If it doesn't work out of the box, that's a bug
[18:36] <bullgard4> Thank you very much for explaining.


[05:45] <atc3030> Hello all. trying to set up maas on a two server setup. i've tried this once before but gave up at the same point. I am having an issue getting maas to serve up the pxe boot image. my "head server" (with both region and cluster controller installed) has two network interfaces. eth0 and eth1. I have eth0 connected to the internet, and eth1 connected to the nic of the second server. I have tried to set maas to handle dhcp on eth1 but i sti
[05:45] <atc3030> ll can not get pxe to boot from it, saying no dhcp offers were received. anyone mind helping me out??
[06:50] <dao> Dear, can one help me, I have maas 1.5 and try to use maas command line like maas <myprofile> -h I can not see the option boot-resources, I can not use maas <myprofile> boot-resources create = argument erreor
[20:04] <kiko> atc3030, ping


[00:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: David Tomaschik: BSidesSF CTF 2023: Lastpwned (Author Writeup) @ https://systemoverlord.com/2023/04/23/bsidessf-ctf-2023-lastpwned-author-writeup.html
[02:57] <guiverc> s/Interested in the flavors? Release annoucements/Interested in the flavors, Release annoucements and selected blogs are/ maybe, as not all that follow are annoucements (or split as suggested in gdoc)
[03:00] <guiverc> reading fossasia report; longer report is https://blog.ubuntu-kr.org/en/2023/04/23/fossasia-2023-recap/ , but by date that'll be in next issue
[03:03] <guiverc> I really wished I'd suggested moving https://ubuntu.com//blog/firefox-snap-updates-and-upgrades up from canonical.news
[03:04] <guiverc> (would like the summary as it shows effort by Canonical to resolve some snap issues with firefox ^)
[03:04] <guiverc> s/Canonical/Canonical+Mozilla/ ^
[03:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack: "< krytarik> I think doing separate summaries on all the flavors may be a bit much effort and would also explode the release coverage.." // Where would you like to move firefox-snap-updates-and-upgrades to ?
[03:09] <guiverc> I was suggesting summaries; just a separate list   ie. Release annoucements ... (list)  Selected blogs about the flavors are.. (list)   (better wroding of course)
[03:10] <guiverc> s/was suggesting/wasn't suggesting ^
[03:10] <guiverc> currently it reports blogs about flavors as annoucements (equal to official annoucements)
[03:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yeah - we can do that separation easily enough.
[03:11] <guiverc> ack & sorry Bashing-om , I'd not read back before i turned this box on (I see prior now on element)
[03:13] <guiverc> good job remembering 18.04 EOSS is may each week Bashing-om
[03:14] <guiverc> no fixes I take it for 23.04/lunar
[03:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: On the EOL - In the event that I would not rememeber - I did edit our WIKI template :)
[03:15] <guiverc> finished my read thru, looks good Bashing-om & :) on wiki template... smart move!
[03:16] <guiverc> I commented my thoughts ^  (all of em)
[03:16] <Bashing-om> guiverc: How about " Media attention to the flavor's releases:" ?
[03:16] <guiverc> yep. sounds good.
[03:16]  * guiverc refreshed page & yep very happy & thanks Bashing-om
[03:19] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We have time - ya want to summarize "firefox-snap-updates-and-upgrades" ? I could re-add "Other Community News" and run it there ?
[03:20]  * guiverc you knew I didn't want to get on the roof & clean the gutters, didn't ya Bashing-om ... and offered me a reason :)
[03:21]  * guiverc entered gdoc
[03:21] <Bashing-om> guiverc: But but but -- ya so much better at summaries than I - I bow to your skill :P
[03:22]  * guiverc notices I haven't yet found my glasses; last used on saturday when I wrote summaries..
[03:23] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I am fortunate on the glasses part - I get by with cheap readers - got bunches of them laying about :P
[03:24] <guiverc> I have numerous around too.. but for some tasks the prescription are better
[03:31] <guiverc> summary in gdoc Bashing-om , a little long & re-reading it...
[03:31] <guiverc> (copied format into planet)
[03:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Going to Gdoc :D
[03:56] <Bashing-om> guiverc: The Firefox-snap article is not on The Planet - I still suggest we do this one in the "Other Community News" section.
[03:57] <guiverc> I have no issues with where it is, I picked planet mostly as it was near canonical & empty (easy to find)... place wherever you feel appropriate
[04:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack.
[04:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Done - see that you approve.
[04:12] <guiverc> Bashing-om, its listed twice; drop the canonical link now?
[04:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch - Yeah - Tired and failed to think through !
[04:13] <guiverc> ack & yep... our local daylight savings time changes can put us further apart (more into your horizontal time) sorry
[04:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wish they would leave the fake clock alone - Sun time works well for me !
[04:16] <guiverc> I'd agree with that... takes me weeks to adjust the bird feed time each six months (due to clock changes; I do 3 mins per day every 4 days)... birbs use sun time too
[04:17] <guiverc> 4 mins every 3 days actually; ie. little changes
[04:18] <guiverc> Thanks Bashing-om for all your effort on UWN !
[04:18] <Bashing-om> guiverc: House Dogs too :) outside every 4 hours // Time changes really messes that routine up :(
[04:19] <guiverc> :|
[09:49] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Optimise your ROS snap – Part 5 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/optimise-your-ros-snap-part-5
[19:05] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pilling "WIP" Log checked and no further edits are known - will start the push soonest.
[19:13] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Dustin Kirkland: My Walk on the Portuguese Camino de Santiago, 2023 @ http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2023/04/camino-de-santiago-2023.html (by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Dustin Kirkland))
[19:21] <Bashing-om> UWN: M/L is away - doing the Forums Posting next.
[19:24] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Running "./publish-uwn.pl 784" Seeing various lines warning >> " of uninitialized value $intro in quotemeta ; Use of uninitialized value $issdate in concatenation (.)" ??
[19:25] <krytarik> I guess that means you botched the opening line again someway.
[19:28] <krytarik> Ah, wrong issue number in there.
[19:40] <Bashing-om> More so - that I failed on - We forgot to report the updates on lunar ! // Fixing soonest !
[19:41] <krytarik> Ah, hence why guiverc[m] asked about them yesterday.
[20:48] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue corrections completed, resent -corrected- to the M/L and Forums posting done, The re-directs next.
[21:18] <Bashing-om> UWN: Redirects done -- and blogged to Mastodon. Pending now is release to the other Social Media :D
[21:31] <Bashing-om> UWN: Updated the IssueTemplate WIKI to include 23.04.
[22:28] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/04/24/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-784/
[22:31] <guiverc> tweeted 785, posted to telegram, (reddit)
[22:48] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 784 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/04/24/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-784/
[23:14] <guiverc> posted uwn 784 to fb too
[23:16] <Bashing-om> Fridge: Spot check and all looks good.
[23:16] <guiverc> thanks Bashing-om
[23:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Clear now to do away with the evidence ?
[23:17] <guiverc> yep. scrub away


 ActionParsnip: Is there even fancy things like sudo, or adduser?
[21:17] <rww> Rarity: something we can help you with?


[12:37] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Can you remind me how a version passed to a livefs requestBuild call should manifest itself within the live-build?  I thought it was as $BUILDSTAMP, but I'm not seeing that...
[13:14] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: It's $NOW in the environment of the build; live-build sanitises the environment, so livecd-rootfs stuffs BUILDSTAMP="$NOW" into config/binary
[13:14] <cjwatson> So depends where you're looking from
[13:29] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Ack, thanks; looks like a bug in our tooling which was throwing me off. :)
[15:10] <Odd_Bloke> None of the builds for the latest upload (via recipe) in https://launchpad.net/~cloudware/+archive/ubuntu/cpc-livecd-rootfs/+packages are getting queued; anyone know what's up?
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, looks like they're getting queued now. :)
[15:15] <cjwatson> Let me poke some builders a bit on general principles
[17:00] <Odd_Bloke> I requested livefs #50000, do I win a prize?
[17:00] <Odd_Bloke> "You've won a brand new ... <opens box> ... log describing your build failure!"
[17:07] <Mikaela> Congratulations!
[17:47] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[17:48] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: FWIW, I'm seeing the builds for that recipe (https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-images-release-managers/+recipe/cloud-image-sauce) queued despite available builders again.
[17:48] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: If that's just the way it is, that's not a problem at all; just flagging it up in case that indicates something being broken. :)
[17:51] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: I can't see these, so are these builds using a private archive?
[17:51] <cjwatson> or into a private archive, rather
[17:52] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Yes, they are.
[17:52] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: right, so private PPA builds are special
[17:52] <Odd_Bloke> OK, cool.
[17:53] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: we don't have the necessary things hooked up for them to be able to be granted tokens to access private files directly in the librarian; instead we have to wait for the source to be published in the PPA, and then we can start building them
[17:53] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: so it all takes an extra publisher cycle vs. normal
[17:53] <Odd_Bloke> Ahhh, OK.
[18:40] <sergio-br2> any news about git repo support on recipes?
[18:51] <dobey> sergio-br2: it's beta now
[18:51] <dobey> https://blog.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/beta-test-git-recipes
[18:51] <sergio-br2> oh
[18:52] <sergio-br2> nice
[18:53] <sergio-br2> thanks
[19:00] <sergio-br2> dobey, how can I do a git-git import on launchpad?
[19:02] <sergio-br2> basically I want to clone a github repo, and maintain it sync
[19:03] <sergio-br2> *mirroring
[19:07] <sergio-br2> or, is it possible to use recipes with external git repos? like github?
[19:25] <dobey> sergio-br2: i don't know
[21:00] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: I'm afraid we don't do git-to-git imports yet, though we'd like to, it's on the wishlist.  at best you just have to mirror things manually
[21:00] <sergio-br2> hi cjwatson
[21:00] <sergio-br2> like git pull && git push ?
[21:00] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: recipes only work with repositories hosted in LP (fairly fundamentally), so there's an obvious link there
[21:01] <sergio-br2> mirroring is what I'm looking
[21:01] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: maybe push --mirror, but yes, that general idea.  acknowledge it's not great
[21:01] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: we know roughly what we need to do to get mirroring going but it hasn't been started yet
[21:02] <sergio-br2> can I use a git repo, and nest it with a debian repo (bzr) ?
[21:03] <sergio-br2> or the debian repo needs to be git too ?
[21:05] <cjwatson> they all need to be the same VCS
[21:07] <sergio-br2> ok
[21:33] <sergio-br2> bzr: ERROR: unknown command "fast-export"
[21:33] <sergio-br2> bzr fast-export --export-marks=../marks.bzr ../old-bzr-branch | git fast-import --export-marks=../marks.git
[21:33] <sergio-br2> that tutorial is wrong i guess
[21:34] <sergio-br2> bzr: ERROR: no such option: --export-marks
[21:37] <sergio-br2> oh, it's missing a package
[22:58] <sergio-br2> failed to build :/
[22:58] <sergio-br2> https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+recipe/dolphin-daily-trusty
[22:58] <sergio-br2> and there's no log
[22:59] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: Yes, just investigating that as soon as I get a sysadmin's attention - https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1538276
[23:01] <sergio-br2> I'm pretty sure it's right
[23:01] <sergio-br2> it's building here
[23:02] <cjwatson> It's just a problem with the base image being booted by the buildds you happened to hit
[23:02] <cjwatson> We can't see the logs for the process that updates those, unfortunately, so it's a bit of an arm's-length-guesswork game to make sure they're all updated
[23:04] <sergio-br2> I guess {revno:packaging} will not work for git right?
[23:04] <sergio-br2> could I do {revtime:packaging} ?
[23:05] <cjwatson> revno will work
[23:05] <cjwatson> see the docs
[23:05] <sergio-br2> eh
[23:05] <cjwatson> it's a bit of a hack, but it does work
[23:05] <sergio-br2> what it'll get?
[23:05] <cjwatson> we take the length of the left-hand-parent history of the commit
[23:05] <cjwatson> which is a decent emulation, and it's useful to have a simple monotonically-increasing value you can use there
[23:05] <sergio-br2> uh
[23:05] <cjwatson> you certainly can use {revtime:packaging} instead, it just gets rather long
[23:06] <sergio-br2> yeah
[23:06] <cjwatson> this is documented near the end of https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/SourceBuilds/Recipes#Version_numbers_and_substitution_variables
[23:08] <sergio-br2> so there's no way this number get less right?
[23:12] <sergio-br2> cjwatson, nest packaging lp:~dolphin-emu/+git/debian-master-trusty debian
[23:12] <sergio-br2> is it right?
[23:12] <sergio-br2> or do I need do this:
[23:12] <sergio-br2> nest packaging lp:~dolphin-emu/+git/debian-master-trusty master debian
[23:13] <cjwatson> get less> revno will always increase unless you do a non-fast-forward push
[23:14] <sergio-br2> the main git repo needs the "master", the nest needs it too right?
[23:14] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: if you need to specify a branch name, it needs to go at the end ("nest packaging lp:~dolphin-emu/+git/debian-master-trusty debian master") - slightly weird but a consequence of following the existing recipe format which put an optional commit identifier in that position.  But you can omit "master" and you'll get whatever HEAD for that repository is, which is usually master
[23:15] <sergio-br2> humm
[23:15] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: this is true for the main repository as well, you can leave out the branch name and get HEAD, though I would say it's normally clearer to include a branch name
[23:15] <sergio-br2> yeah, for the main I saw it was optional
[23:16] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: especially since "debian-master-trusty" is a very weird repository name - it implies that a future "debian-master-xenial" would be a separate repository, whereas surely you would want those to be different branches of the same repository
[23:16] <cjwatson> putting series in git repository names is usually a mistake
[23:16] <cjwatson> you can if you like, it's just odd :)
[23:17] <sergio-br2> humm
[23:17] <sergio-br2> lp:~dolphin-emu/+git/dolphin
[23:23] <sergio-br2> didn't understand cjwatson
[23:31] <sergio-br2> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/235314217/buildlog.txt.gz
[23:31] <sergio-br2> ok, the recipe is working now
[23:32] <sergio-br2> but I have this unmet deps
[23:32] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: I was talking about lp:~dolphin-emu/+git/debian-master-trusty, not lp:~dolphin-emu/+git/dolphin
[23:32] <sergio-br2> I'm pretty sure I work-a-rounded it by changing the PPA deps, using the Security option
[23:33] <cjwatson> unmet deps are entirely your problem, they work the exact same way for bzr/git
[23:33] <sergio-br2> the series you mean "trusty", cjwatson ? I need 3 different deb packages for dolphin
[23:33] <sergio-br2> but it was working with the other ppa
[23:33] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: trusty is an example of a series, yes
[23:34] <cjwatson> sergio-br2: my point is that trusty/xenial/etc. should normally be a branch within a git repository, not in the git repository name
[23:34] <sergio-br2> seriously, why they updated this gcc-4.9-base
[23:34] <sergio-br2> oh, right cjwatson
[23:34] <sergio-br2> yeah, I'm used to do it cjwatson
[23:34] <sergio-br2> with bazaar
[23:34] <sergio-br2> heh
[23:35] <cjwatson> eh, I'm not sure that an update of gcc-4.9-base was your problem
[23:35] <cjwatson> let me look into it, modulo children's bedtime
[23:35] <sergio-br2> it's the problem
[23:35] <sergio-br2> someone thought it was a good idea to update it
[23:35] <cjwatson> in YOUR PPA
[23:36] <sergio-br2> even if 14.04 has no full 4.9 support...
[23:36] <cjwatson> I mean, that's kind of what it's complaining about ...
[23:36] <sergio-br2> It was working until this update cjwatson
[23:36] <sergio-br2> I noticed this update 2 weeks ago
[23:36] <cjwatson> why did you put it in https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+archive/ubuntu/tmp2/+packages in the first place?
[23:36] <sergio-br2> because I'm testing
[23:36] <cjwatson> what was the failure without that?
[23:37] <sergio-br2> there's was no failure at all, before
[23:38] <cjwatson> the update of gcc-4.9 in trusty-updates can't possibly be related, because this build log doesn't have -updates enabled
[23:39] <sergio-br2> yeah, I'm using security only
[23:39] <cjwatson> so what update are you talking about that broke things?
[23:40] <sergio-br2> so from where this 4.9.3 is appearing?
[23:41] <sergio-br2> weird
[23:41] <cjwatson> it's in your PPA
[23:41] <cjwatson> you put it there
[23:41] <sergio-br2> nope
[23:41] <cjwatson> your recipe points at it
[23:41] <sergio-br2> my PPA is using 4.9.2
[23:42] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+archive/ubuntu/tmp2/+packages disagrees
[23:42] <sergio-br2> https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+archive/ubuntu/tmp2/+edit-dependencies
[23:42] <sergio-br2> eh
[23:42] <sergio-br2> it's getting from tmp2 ? why...
[23:42] <cjwatson> that's what https://code.launchpad.net/~dolphin-emu/+recipe/dolphin-daily-trusty points to
[23:42] <cjwatson> under "Daily build archive" (hover over the link)
[23:43] <sergio-br2> ok, tmp2 has 4.9.3
[23:43] <sergio-br2> but I thought tmp2 can't get packages from its own
[23:43] <cjwatson> and the reason it doesn't work is that you need to backport (at least) isl as well
[23:43] <sergio-br2> let's delete this
[23:44] <cjwatson> or just point your recipe at the PPA you actually want to use for it
[23:47] <sergio-br2> ok, now it failed without log heh


[15:59] <NCommand1r> #startmeeting
[15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommand1r.
[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <NCommand1r> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110616#preview
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110616#preview
[16:00] <ogra_> plop
[16:00] <janimo> hello
[16:00] <NCommand1r> morning all
[16:00] <NCommand1r> who's here?
[16:00] <ppisati> o/
[16:00]  * GrueMaster is not here.
[16:01] <infinity> \o
[16:01]  * davidm thinks he is in London
[16:01] <NCommand1r> k, good enough
[16:01]  * davidm is sure he is not in the Freenode servers
[16:01] <NCommand1r> [topic] Action Item Review
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action Item Review
[16:01] <NCommand1r> [topic] NCommander/ogra to review janimo SD alignment branch
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander/ogra to review janimo SD alignment branch
[16:01] <ogra_> reviwed, fine for merging
[16:02] <NCommand1r> ogra_: are oytugoing to handle actually merging it?
[16:02] <ogra_> i just didnt get to it yet (and was secretly hoping NCommand1r finds spare time :P)
[16:02] <ogra_> if you dont do it before i'll try to get to it tomorrow after the release team meeting
[16:03]  * NCommand1r just realized he was NCommand1r ...
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I assume it has been tested?
[16:03] <GrueMaster> who did you think you were?
[16:03] <NCommand1r> NCommander :-P
[16:04] <NCommand1r> [topic] NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to get Documentation spec approved
[16:04] <NCommand1r> co
[16:04] <NCommand1r> [topic] Standing Items
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Standing Items
[16:04] <NCommand1r> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:04] <NCommand1r> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-2.html
[16:05] <ogra_> GrueMaster, hasnt been tested in real environment yet ... but we'll have to shake out bugs anyway :)
[16:05] <NCommand1r> trendline doesn't look so good ...
[16:06] <GrueMaster> Several of mine are done or in progress but not indicated.
[16:06] <ogra_> NCommand1r, i know, waiting for the last spec to land
[16:07]  * GrueMaster hates the syntax parser for the wi tracker.
[16:07] <ogra_> NCommand1r, i dont want to set the trendline twice
[16:07] <GrueMaster> Do you need to set the trendline for it to see that I have stuff done?
[16:08] <ogra_> GrueMaster, no
[16:08] <ogra_> its just a helpful diagonal line, thats all :)
[16:08] <ogra_> but the start value for it has to be set manually in the code
[16:09] <GrueMaster> So why aren't my tasks showing as done?
[16:09] <ogra_> so until NCommand1r#s doc spec is approved i wont set it
[16:09] <ogra_> GrueMaster, when did you change the WIs ?
[16:09] <ogra_> the tracker runs once a day iirc
[16:09] <GrueMaster> last week.
[16:10] <GrueMaster> for a couple.  two days ago for some others.
[16:10] <GrueMaster> >24hrs ago.
[16:10] <ogra_> weird
[16:11] <ogra_> lets look after the meeting
[16:11] <NCommand1r> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[16:12] <NCommand1r> So I've discovered that my panda apparantly dislikes USB/ethernet when running with an oneiric userland  on the d-i netboot image. This incidently become a bit of a blocker w.r.t. to continuing to work on it
[16:12] <ppisati> NCommand1r: didn't you find anyone with a panda a2?
[16:12] <ogra_> when are you back in portland ?
[16:12] <ogra_> so you can use another panda
[16:12] <GrueMaster> Mine are tied up until I return.
[16:13] <ogra_> well, PXE booting will also have to wait until at least next week
[16:13] <NCommand1r> ogra_: I'm basically depwait GrueMaster until next week
[16:13] <ogra_> right
[16:13] <ogra_> so no more server netbooting this week then
[16:13] <GrueMaster> NCommand1r: I tested it here this morning and had networking through the eth0 port.
[16:14] <NCommand1r> ogra_: well, I still have a base-installer branch that needs review
[16:14] <ogra_> GrueMaster, A2 board too ?
[16:14] <NCommand1r> ogra_: mine is an A1
[16:14] <GrueMaster> He "shouldn't" have an A2.
[16:14] <NCommand1r> according to the panda I was pointed to
[16:14] <ogra_> didnt you say revision 0020 ?
[16:14]  * ogra_ thought that indicated A2
[16:14] <GrueMaster> his is oneof davidm's batch.
[16:15] <davidm> Anything that came from me is a A1
[16:15] <GrueMaster> and it booted maverick & natty before I gave it to him.
[16:15] <ppisati> so it's an a2, it's the same batch that had the bootloader problem with maverick
[16:15] <davidm> IT's all I have
[16:15] <ppisati> ah
[16:15] <ogra_> how did that A2 stuff come up then ?
[16:15] <ogra_> hmpf
[16:16] <ppisati> http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Revisions
[16:16] <NCommand1r> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
[16:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/PandaBoard_Revisions
[16:16] <GrueMaster> The cpuid changed between EA1 & A1.
[16:16] <ppisati> devmem2 0x4A002204
[16:16] <ppisati> to get the board revision
[16:16] <ppisati> as we discussed this morning, oneiric/ti-omap4 is still MIA
[16:17] <ogra_> well, there is the natty kernel which we will use until we have something new that works
[16:17] <ppisati> the usb issue turned out to be an upstream kernel bug revealed with tghe switch to gcc 4.6
[16:17] <ppisati> yep
[16:17] <ogra_> thats usually how we do it anyway
[16:17] <ogra_> i see that toolchain played back the ball to the kernel team court for the USB bug ?
[16:18] <ppisati> lp#791552
[16:18] <ppisati> yep
[16:18] <ogra_> bug 791552
[16:18]  * ogra_ pokes the bot
[16:18] <ogra_> heh
[16:18] <ogra_> helps
[16:18] <infinity> Bot needs coffee.
[16:18] <ppisati> anyway, it seems it's *arm related, so as soon as distro start switching to 4.6
[16:19] <ppisati> it'll be an high priority for everyone
[16:19] <ppisati> right now i'm looking at
[16:19] <ogra_> right, but michaelh said there its an issue to solve in the kernel code
[16:19] <ppisati> bug 608312
[16:19] <ppisati> ogra_: yes, the issue is in the kernel
[16:20] <ogra_> you think they are related ?
[16:20] <ppisati> ogra_: but the known workaround don't work for us
[16:20] <ogra_> yeah
[16:20] <ppisati> ogra_: nope, i was just taking a break from CVE :)
[16:20] <GrueMaster> yea, thanks for that.
[16:20] <ppisati> besides this, nothing new
[16:20] <ppisati> GrueMaster: but it seems i've no OTG hw here
[16:20]  * GrueMaster grumbles about pending propossed kernel testin to do.
[16:21] <ppisati> yep, there's a pending kernel for every distro/flavour
[16:21] <ppisati> have fun :)
[16:21] <GrueMaster> ppisati: Just get gadget working for now.
[16:21] <GrueMaster> I'll give to an OTG cable at the rally.
[16:22] <ppisati> GrueMaster: i think i bought OTG cables but whatever i attach them
[16:22] <GrueMaster> keyboard, mouse, etc.
[16:22] <ppisati> GrueMaster: the status in musb_hdrc/mode doesn't work
[16:22] <ppisati> doesn't change
[16:22] <GrueMaster> It puts the otg port into host mode.
[16:22] <GrueMaster> well, fix it.
[16:22] <ppisati> GrueMaster: is it a micro -> normal usb female?
[16:23] <GrueMaster> (hence the bug)
[16:23] <GrueMaster> micro b.  Wiring change.
[16:23] <ppisati> GrueMaster: actually it was supposed to work on lucid, but it doesn't work there neither
[16:23] <GrueMaster> iirc it worked in maverick on omap.
[16:24] <ogra_> how about we keep a TODO to look into that in dublin ?
[16:24] <ppisati> k
[16:24] <GrueMaster> yep.  next
[16:24] <ogra_> where we have HW and cables
[16:24]  * ppisati agrees
[16:26]  * GrueMaster shakes the NCommand1r bot.
[16:26]  * ogra_ hears the rattling
[16:26] <NCommand1r> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[16:27] <janimo> some progress yesterday, during the porting jam
[16:27] <ogra_> threee hoorays from everyone to hrw ... he attacks chromium atm :)
[16:27] <janimo> but not very noticable if you look at the QA webpage, is still read
[16:27] <ogra_> well, doko fixed libnih
[16:27] <ogra_> that should give us upstart soon
[16:28] <janimo> nice - although I was under the impression that was a binutils issue
[16:28] <janimo> chromium I mean
[16:28] <NCommand1r> A wild chromium attacks
[16:28] <ogra_> well, he was testbuilding a fix last i saw him in #ubuntu-arm
[16:29] <ogra_> anyway, we're not massively worse than other arches on the ftbfs page
[16:29] <ogra_> which is pretty cool for that state of the cycle :)
[16:30] <ogra_> move ?
[16:30] <infinity> tp-glib is dying on a test failure?  I might have to look at why that is.
[16:31] <ogra_> infinity, i think there are (closed) bugs from the last three cycles
[16:31] <ogra_> look through launchpad, iirc one had a papertrail of tracking down the issue
[16:32] <infinity> *nod*
[16:33] <infinity> ogra_: Hrm, the old bug was a SEGV in the tests, this just lookg like a timeout, but I'll have to reproduce locally and see.
[16:33] <ogra_> hmm, k
[16:33] <ogra_> then it might be different this time
[16:34] <janimo> infinity, the old one was a gcc miscompilation when passed -fshrink-wrap which is now disabled. Could be another one though
[16:34] <janimo> I was under the impression it was ld this time
[16:34] <ogra_> there were older ones
[16:34] <janimo> the most recent one then :)
[16:34] <ogra_> we had the same segfault every release in the past
[16:34] <ogra_> and worked around it with -O1
[16:34] <infinity> janimo: I was led to believe it was ld exploding too, but I just looked at the build log, and all I see is a test timing out.  Anyhow, can take this out-of-band and test more later.
[16:35] <ogra_> yeah
[16:35] <ogra_> NCommand1r, move ...
[16:36]  * GrueMaster listens to the silence.  somewhere in the distance, a wolf howls.
[16:36] <NCommand1r> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[16:36]  * davidm thinks NCommand1r is stick in a loop
[16:37] <NCommand1r> sorry, suffering from serious lag issues
[16:37]  * ogra_ points to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/
[16:37] <infinity> Isn't that always true?
[16:37] <NCommand1r> infinity: ouch
[16:37] <ogra_> we have desktop images
[16:37] <NCommand1r> ogra_: \o/
[16:37] <ogra_> (with 1G of crap on them though, and no manifest files yet)
[16:38] <ogra_> maniofest is fixed now and should show up with next build
[16:38] <ogra_> i'll put in some time tomorrow to see how we can clean up and get smaller images
[16:38] <davidm> that works
[16:38] <ogra_> beyond that i did soem work on a headless natty ac100 image ... server and kernel people asked for it
[16:39] <ogra_> thats all for images from my side
[16:39] <GrueMaster> erm, how will that work?  ENOSERIAL
[16:39] <ogra_> heh
[16:39] <NCommand1r> ogra_: link would be nice, might be able to get my AC100 to do something
[16:40] <ogra_> indeed as framebuffer console image
[16:40] <GrueMaster> same here.
[16:40] <ogra_> i'm not done yet
[16:40] <persia> Consoles are for folks that don't trust their headless images.
[16:40] <ogra_> i update the netbook image at the same time to the latest kernel
[16:40]  * ppisati awaits impatiently for a headless AC100 image
[16:40] <infinity> Consoles are for people who can't pre-generate an sshd key.
[16:40] <infinity> It's all the rage.
[16:40] <NCommand1r> consoles are what I play games on :-P
[16:41] <ogra_> heh
[16:41] <ogra_> well, i usally announce new images on the ac100 ML
[16:41] <NCommand1r> anything on the image issue, or can I move on?
[16:41] <ogra_> i should have the headless one by tomorrow evening, latest mid weekend
[16:41] <ogra_> NCommand1r, move :)
[16:42] <NCommand1r> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:42] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster)
[16:42] <GrueMaster> Currently attending QA Automation sprint.
[16:42] <GrueMaster> Learning about Jenkins and discussing various automation tools & techniques that I can apply to arm.
[16:43] <GrueMaster> I've also started FS benchmarking on home systems.
[16:43] <ogra_> so we can forward our java quesions to you in the future ?
[16:44] <ogra_> now that you know jenkins
[16:44] <GrueMaster> Actually, it will work w/o java on the test system, using ssh & serial console.
[16:44] <GrueMaster> (although java is better)
[16:44] <ogra_> heh, depends :)
[16:45] <GrueMaster> Will work to setup a jenkins environment when I return home.
[16:45] <NCommand1r> anyting else?
[16:45] <GrueMaster> I'm good.
[16:45] <ogra_> noting else
[16:45] <ogra_> :)
[16:46] <GrueMaster> NCommand1r: Moving right along....
[16:47] <NCommand1r> [topic] AOB
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[16:48] <NCommand1r> If nothing else
[16:48] <NCommand1r> closing in 3
[16:48] <NCommand1r> 2
[16:48] <NCommand1r> 1
[16:48] <NCommand1r> #endmeeting
[16:48] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:48.
[19:00] <pitti> kees, cjwatson: hello
[19:01] <pitti> I pinged Keybuk an sabdfl in #u-devel, and mdz is on holiday
[19:03] <pitti> hm, *tock tock*, is this thing on?
[19:04]  * broder waves at pitti
[19:04] <micahg> pitti: and here too :)
[19:04] <pitti> ooh, I'm not alone!
[19:05] <pitti> is 1/6 quorum?
[19:05] <broder> i just saw Keybuk show up, so you're up to 2 :-P
[19:05] <pitti> Keybuk: aah, hey Scott! how are you?
[19:05] <pitti> broder: I googled him :)
[19:05] <nigelb> haha
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I will show up if it makes anyone feel better ;)
[19:07] <Keybuk> pitti: hey, good thanks, you?
[19:07] <pitti> charlie-tca: I feel better, but not the quorum :)
[19:07] <pitti> Keybuk: pretty well, thanks
[19:08] <nigelb> So, googling Keybuk now summons him? :)
[19:08] <Keybuk> nigelb: just talking about me anywhere on the Internet
[19:08] <nigelb> heh
[19:08]  * persia fears the return of kirby
[19:10] <Keybuk> you mean kibo
[19:10] <pitti> Keybuk: so, that's our chance to turn the whole ubuntu policy upside down!
[19:11] <Keybuk> yes!
[19:11] <pitti> [agreed] devs get a beer for every upload
[19:11] <Keybuk> [agreed] switch to systemd
[19:11] <Keybuk> [agreed] switch to chrome
[19:11] <pitti> [agreed] posting to mailing lists costs karma
[19:11] <Keybuk> [agreed] switch to gnome shell
[19:11] <pitti> [agreed] sync-source.py -f -F -a
[19:12] <maco> rebase on centos instead of debian?
[19:12] <maco> port yast?
[19:12] <Keybuk> [agreed] rename to GNU/Debian/Ubuntu Linux
[19:12] <broder> devs get a beer for every upload> +eleventy
[19:13] <pitti> aaanyway
[19:13] <Keybuk> oh, I forgot
[19:13] <Keybuk> [agreed] rewrite Unity in C#
[19:13] <Keybuk> (yes, BoycottNovell, you can have that one for free :p)
[19:13] <nigelb> [agreed] 2 is quorum?
[19:13] <pitti> I think we have to postpone this; most of the stuff on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda can be discussed on the ML as well
[19:14]  * pitti volunteers himself for being the next chair
[19:14] <pitti> ugh, what a hard meeting
[19:32] <cjwatson> oh, hell, I'm sorry, I missed this
[19:32] <cjwatson> was cooking
[19:33] <maco> hopefully something tasty?
[19:35] <cjwatson> nowt special
[19:36]  * cjwatson is not normally the cook of the household
[19:39] <Keybuk> cjwatson: that's ok, it was a productive meeting - we agreed many things
[19:52] <pitti> cjwatson: hello Colin
[19:53]  * pitti just back from typing replies to the agenda items via email
[19:53] <pitti> I think the banshee, partner policy, and install success measuring are adequate for email discussion/voting, and the ubuntun series owner is not that urgent
[19:54] <sbeattie> pitti: sorry, kees is also on holiday this week.


[15:37] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Drop masakari binary packages from misc-servers. @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=661d380f5acd3b3c638d0e1ee51d6846585e0d37 (by Corey Bryant)
[22:28] <Unit193> Hrm, http://paste.openstack.org/show/GYvrwxANUgkcbcgLDfug is not great wording.
[23:31] <bluesabre> suppose that would be easier if I did a release
[23:34] <Unit193> Nah, it's good how it is. :3
[23:35] <Unit193> (I have to push something minimal to Debian.)


[19:42] <sethj> is there a bug where unity doesn't show recently installed applications without a reboot or is it just me?
[19:43] <flocculant> sethj: I did read something somewhere like that, but as I Xubuntu and don't Unity - I don't remember much else
[19:43] <flocculant> but you're not alone :)
[19:43] <sethj> aha, I found it:
[19:43] <sethj> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1516527
[19:44] <flocculant> phew - glad it wasn't just my memory playing tricks :p
[19:45] <sethj> haha. really frustrating bug.
[19:45] <flocculant> I bet it is :)
[19:46] <sethj> I edited the title so it would be found better. initial reporter didn't know the proper names for Unity's UI elements.


[00:43] <Daskreech> Senjai: Any one you like?
[00:43] <Daskreech> !info gvim
[00:46] <musca> !info vim-gtk
[00:47] <musca> Senjai: kate has a vi mode
[00:47] <Senjai> ahh, thanks musca
[00:48] <Senjai> musca: I want to use vim though :/
[00:48] <Senjai> musca: ST2 > Kate
[01:59] <valorie> isn't vim installed by default?
[01:59] <valorie> !info vim
[01:59] <valorie> thought so
[02:00] <valorie> Senjai: ^^
[02:00] <valorie> if not installed by default, apt-get vim will do ya
[02:22] <puff> So far I am not terribly impressed with the new look of kubuntu (12.04 LTS + kubuntu-destop versus 13.04 + kubuntu-desktop).  Also, after suspending to ram and resuming, the bluetooth icon disappeared from the menu bar, so I can't get my bluetooth mouth working again.
[02:22] <puff> Whoops, now it's back!
[02:24] <puff> Also also, on the 12.4 version I could right-click the sound icon, selection options, and the dialog had a tab for output levels that I could adjust to > 100%, to overamp the speakers and get somewhat audible sound.  That dialog has changed and that tab isn't there anymore.
[02:24] <puff> Also, the sound volume on this laptop still sucks so it's probably not drivers or something.... I'm beginning to wonder if I just got bad speakers, other thinkpad t520 owners tell me the sound is reasonably loud).
[02:25] <puff> However, on the up side, it now drives my dell external 24" monitor, which is a happy happy thing!
[02:26] <puff> And kubuntu is still much, much nicer than Unity.
[02:39] <knucks> hey all i got s 24inch hdtv plugged in as a second monitor. Connected via hdmi cable but its all fuzzy. Anybody know how to make it look better?
[06:10] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:07] <xiaopi[z]> Hi, got a quick question, why doesn't muon display all available pack when you want to install something (usually all non gui software aren't displayed)
[07:54] <valorie> xiaopi[z]: are you using the package manager, or the software center?
[07:55] <valorie> the second is just applications, I believe
[07:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:54] <tatie> hello, i installed ms office via Wine yet when it asks for product key i can not enter it. I finished the install and then thought i would be able to just enter it later, but i can't. the cursos just doesn't move to the field. does anyoen knwo how to get it in that field so i can enter the key
[09:03] <jussi> tatie: I don't know, but have you tried pressing Tab? or clicking there and just typing? (soetimes the cursor doesnt show up, but you still can type)
[09:08] <tatie> doesn't work
[09:55] <georgelappies> thanks for the 10.3 updates all involved! :D
[09:55] <Graf_Westerholt> Why is my sound always at maximum and I cannot change it?
[10:02] <Daskreech> Graf_Westerholt: try turning it down in alsamixer ?
[10:03] <Graf_Westerholt> Daskreech, I am trying to turn it down in kmix, but it is not possible. It stays on maximum. And I cannot mute it.
[10:04] <Graf_Westerholt> It’s the „event sound“.
[10:05] <Daskreech> hmm
[10:06] <Graf_Westerholt> No Idea?
[10:10] <Daskreech> Looked at the Phonon control pabnel?
[10:10] <Daskreech> panel
[10:10] <Daskreech> naw that's not going to help with volume
[10:11] <Daskreech> I'd say open konsole and type alsamixer and see if you can set it from there
[10:11] <Graf_Westerholt> I have to install alsamixer first.
[10:11] <Daskreech> oh
[10:11] <Daskreech> then never mind
[10:11] <Graf_Westerholt> ?
[10:11] <Graf_Westerholt> Sorry?
[10:11] <Daskreech>  what's running your audio
[10:12] <Daskreech> gstreamer pure?
[10:12] <Graf_Westerholt> I guess. Phonon backend says "GStreamer".
[10:13] <Daskreech> what do you get when you pull up the full mixer?
[10:13] <Graf_Westerholt> What do you mean by „full mixer“?
[10:14] <Daskreech> when you click on Kmix you get a volume slider applet at the bottom I get a option to open "mixer"
[10:14] <Graf_Westerholt> ah ok
[10:14] <Daskreech>  that gives me a full mixer for each application and input/output master audio streams
[10:16] <Graf_Westerholt> When I click on „mixer“-Button in kmix it opens a new windows with four registers, the first is "playback devices" with one mixer called "built-in Audio Analogue Stero". It is set to 50%.
[10:17] <Graf_Westerholt> There is one register with the "event sounds"-mixer at 100%.
[10:18] <Daskreech> try turn that down
[10:18] <Graf_Westerholt> I told you, it is not possible! That is the point!
[10:19] <Daskreech> Graf_Westerholt: So pullingit down does nothing? or it pulls down then jumps back up to the top?
[10:20] <Graf_Westerholt> Pulls down then jumpbs back up to the top.
[10:21] <Daskreech> Ah ok I think some other stream is pinning it then?
[10:23] <Graf_Westerholt> What other stream?
[10:27] <georgelappies> Graf_Westerholt: make sure you have the correct master channel selected
[10:28] <Graf_Westerholt> How can I select a master channel?
[10:28] <georgelappies> if you have a video card with HDMI you will have it's audio as well as a channel and in some cases KDE uses that as the master channel
[10:28] <georgelappies> right click on the kmix icon in the taskbar and choose the option "select master channel" ;)
[10:29] <Graf_Westerholt> There is only one option for "playback devices": "Built-in Audio Analouge Stereo".
[10:34] <georgelappies> Graf_Westerholt: did you try and run the audio setup from the right click context menu on kmix?
[10:34] <Graf_Westerholt> Then I have a new window called "Phonon - KDE Control Module".
[10:42] <Graf_Westerholt> No Idea?
[11:00] <BluesKaj_> Hey all
[11:00] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj_
[11:00] <BluesKaj_> hey Graf_Westerholt
[11:00] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj_, Kubuntu wants to make me deaf.
[11:06] <BluesKaj_> ok Graf_Westerholt , how ?
[11:06] <Graf_Westerholt> My sound is at maximum and when I try to turn it down it snaps back to miximum.
[11:07] <Graf_Westerholt> The "event sounds"-mixer in kmix.
[11:08] <BluesKaj_> have you updated and upgraded lately ..I think there was fix a few days ago , Graf_Westerholt
[11:09] <Graf_Westerholt> There are no new updates. But I can check again.
[11:09] <BluesKaj_> noticed kmix and alsa were both upgraded
[11:09] <BluesKaj_> that's new for alsa
[11:10] <Graf_Westerholt> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:10] <BluesKaj_> pulseaudio installed , if so try pavucontrol the pulseaudio GUI
[11:11] <BluesKaj_> Graf_Westerholt,  will the kmix eventsounds ctrl mute?
[11:12] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj_, I cannot mute the event sounds with kmix.
[11:13] <Graf_Westerholt> And I have pavucontrol, but there are no mixer?
[11:13] <Graf_Westerholt> Oh, it is.
[11:14] <Graf_Westerholt> That’s strange. How can I change it?
[11:21] <BluesKaj_> Graf_Westerholt, try  system settings>application appearance>manage notifications>player settings,,,enable no audio output
[11:22] <BluesKaj_> Graf_Westerholt, that  should mute your event sounds
[11:22] <Graf_Westerholt> BluesKaj_, I do not want to mute it. I want to control it at kmix, not at pavcontrol
[11:27] <BluesKaj_> well it's a temporary fix til the permanent one comes down the pipe
[11:27] <Graf_Westerholt> I guess I have to wait two years …
[11:27] <BluesKaj_> that's all I know about this
[11:27] <Graf_Westerholt> thx
[11:28] <BluesKaj_> ok
[11:29] <Graf_Westerholt> I am going to cycle.
[12:32] <riaan> a
[13:20] <michael__> anyone have anyexperience with avconv
[13:20] <michael__> trying to make a video out of some jpgs
[13:29] <puff> morning.
[13:29] <puff> The taskbar is not autohiding and obscures either the top or bottom edge of my windows.  Top edge obscures GUI menus, bottom edge obscures emacs prompt...
[13:32] <puff> ...and now it is authiding, but not reliably. Dang.
[13:35] <computa_mike> real quick question - anyone know a way I can list the applications that I installed on a cerain date?  I can see them in Muon Software centre, but I can't find a way to save the information to some form of file.
[13:38] <tsimpson> computa_mike: the information is extracted from the log files in /var/log/apt/history.log*, Muon then orders that information into a table
[13:41] <computa_mike> tsimpson: cool - I'll take a look at it.
[13:43] <computa_mike> tsimpson: Does it cache the information somewhere else?  I only have log files in there for today...
[13:46] <computa_mike> tsimpson: I think I have it - there's a tgz file there which appears to contain the archived installation information.
[13:49] <computa_mike> tsimpson: It looks right - thanks for the help... so that would be the apt (aptitude?) log location - i take it that would also work under Ubuntu (unity)
[13:50] <lordievader> computa_mike: Apt keeps its logs in: /var/log/apt
[13:50] <computa_mike> lordievader: sweet - thanks
[13:50] <computa_mike> tsimpson: thanks
[14:10] <Taylz> How do you get Skype to work/install on Kubuntu? I can't find it in the software centre yet I know it works fine on Ubuntu as my other machine runs it.
[15:19] <DarthFrog> Taylz: I downloaded it from the MS Skype site.
[15:20] <DarthFrog> The version in the repos is not the most current version.
[15:41] <wissam> Hi ,nepomuk service stup always crash
[15:41] <wissam> http://paste.kde.org/756704/
[15:41] <wissam> is there a way to fix this?
[17:26] <jordi_> #gaybcn
[17:57] <m0nk3yjoe> hello
[17:58] <m0nk3yjoe> I've got Kubuntu 13.04 on my laptop and it doesnt offer an option to shutdown fully (only suspend to ram).  As a result it uses up battery and I don't know why it wont just shutdown fully or NOT waste battery
[22:51] <fractaline> good morning
[23:04] <ahoneybun> fractaline: good afternoon\
[23:06] <fractaline> how's things bro?  (sis?)
[23:07] <ahoneybun> bro, fine
[23:52] <zorrot> on startup, i'm getting crashes from "ksplashqml" every time since last dist up.


[09:04] <alan_g> RAOF: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/mir-sync
[09:11] <RAOF> alan_g: I'll just put down this sleeping baby. Be with you soon.
[09:11] <alan_g> RAOF: np
[09:29] <RAOF> Alternatively, maybe this ex-sleeping baby wants some more food...
[09:29] <RAOF> alan_g: can I ping you when I'm free? 😀
[09:29] <RAOF> Shouldn't be too long.
[09:31] <alan_g> RAOF: the joys of parenthood. ;)
[09:32] <alan_g> I may not be at keyboard, will check back regularly
[10:30] <RAOF> alan_g: OK, free.
[10:30] <RAOF> Babies are poorly designed in many ways :)


[00:03] <Monkeyhuouse> Hi there
[00:04] <bazhang> hi
[00:05] <Monkeyhuouse> So I was recommended to download xubuntu on my aging, nigh useless laptop, which i'm on right now.
[00:06] <Monkeyhuouse> Not quite as slow as win10 on this old EeePC, but not super smooth either. So I'm wondering what things (bells, whistles, etc) I can tweak or disable to get better performance.
[00:06] <bazhang> whats the ram on the eeepc
[00:06] <Monkeyhuouse> Got 2GB on this baby. Should be lightning fast B)
[00:07] <bazhang> with firefox?
[00:07] <Monkeyhuouse> Uh, yeah. It came preinstalled. Just fetched the latest xubuntu
[00:08] <Monkeyhuouse> But FF aside it's still pretty blotty and stuttery on occasion, when loading programs
[00:08] <bazhang> lightning fast and two gb probably not going to happen
[00:08] <Monkeyhuouse> ('twas a joke)
[00:08] <Monkeyhuouse> But seriously I'm just wondering what I can do to lessen the resource needs. I'm completely new to linux :x
[00:09] <bazhang> this is strictly a support channel
[00:09] <Monkeyhuouse> I know. I'm asking a sincere question. The lightning fast thing was my only joke.
[00:09] <bazhang> try the lubuntu yet?
[00:09] <Monkeyhuouse> Nnnope. This is my first successful linux install on this device. Is there that drastic a difference between xubuntu and lubuntu?
[00:10] <pencilandpaper> Monkeyhuouse: I have a few suggestions on how you could speed things up a bit.
[00:10] <bazhang> apt install lubuntu-desktop
[00:10] <Monkeyhuouse> @pencilandpaper: Happy to hear whatever you suggest
[00:10] <bazhang> then choose lubuntu in the login
[00:10] <pencilandpaper> Yes there is Monkeyhuouse , the desktop itself.  You are better off using Xubuntu with Xfce over Lubuntu with lxde.  Xfce is simply nicer.
[00:11] <Monkeyhuouse> Well then I made the right choice c:
[00:11] <pencilandpaper> Okie dokes Monkeyhuouse .  Ok, now one thing that you can disable is compositing..and you can do that in the settings manager, window manager tweaks.  Let me know when you are there please. :)
[00:12] <pencilandpaper> I think so Monkeyhuouse . :)  I run a lighter OS as well that you can install Xfce on, but we can talk about that too if you would like in private.
[00:12] <Monkeyhuouse> There
[00:15] <Monkeyhuouse> I assume just unchecking the top most box under the Compositor tab, yeah? c:
[00:16] <Monkeyhuouse> D'oh.
[00:32] <egstein01> Hey, I'm having problems with updateing my Intel Graphics Driver
[00:33] <egstein01> **updating
[00:33] <bazhang> egstein01, drivers from where
[00:34] <egstein01> I have a Intel Graphics card 5500, It's been having screen flickering issues
[00:34] <bazhang> yes, where from
[00:34] <egstein01> I tried to update them but it says the key isn't valid
[00:35] <egstein01> The Intel Grapics Updater
[00:35] <egstein01> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads
[02:05] <Monkeyhuouse> Is there a non-keyboard shortcut for exiting fullscreen?
[02:05] <Monkeyhuouse> Got stuck with 10 minutes looking around for something to click or messing with the taskbar.
[07:34] <qualiaqq> Would anyone know how to connect to a wifi device (a drone) and remain connecting to the Internet through ethernet on Xubuntu 16.04?
[18:39] <xubuntu60i> Hello
[22:43] <sergio-br2> so xubuntu 16.04.2 daily has small buttons for OK and cancel now


[02:12] <LaserJock> hmm, what shall we put on fridge today? :-)
[02:51] <LaserJock> Rinchen: you really here?
[02:52] <Rinchen> yeah
[02:52] <Rinchen> still working
[02:52] <LaserJock> you're in CO right?
[02:53] <Rinchen> I am.
[02:53] <LaserJock> I think you might be the closest Canonical employee to me
[02:53] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe keescook is closer, it's probably close
[02:53] <LaserJock> anyway
[02:54] <LaserJock> have you seen that YouTube video of the Dell guys taking about Ubuntu?
[02:54] <Rinchen> there's a small army here in the US so chances are someone might be closer still
[02:55] <LaserJock> really? hmmm
[02:57] <Rinchen> haven't seen the video
[02:58] <LaserJock> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjxVXKEJnM4&mode=related&search=
[02:58] <LaserJock> it's pretty cool
[02:58] <LaserJock> I was thinking it would be cool to put on Fridge
[03:03] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you around?
[03:03] <LaserJock> probably out having a life, shesh
[04:41] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: now I am
[04:44] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I was thinking that perhaps it'd be cool to link to the YouTube video ^^
[04:44] <LaserJock> does that sound reasonable?
[04:46] <Burgundavia> the dell one? absolutely
[04:46] <LaserJock> I was thinking of doing a story with the embedded YouTube link, you think that'd be too much?
[04:49] <Burgundavia> I have no idea if that is even possible
[04:50] <LaserJock> I think so, YouTube gives you the HTML to do it
[04:50] <LaserJock> shall I give a try?
[04:53] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:54] <LaserJock> geeze I don't know what the topic would be
[04:55] <LaserJock> what is "Spotted!"?
[04:57] <LaserJock> sweet it works
[05:18] <LaserJock> ok, story up
[05:18] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: can you check it?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: it works
[05:20] <Burgundavia> want me to post it?
[05:20] <LaserJock> if you're ok with it
[05:21] <LaserJock> if you want to change anything go for it
[05:21] <LaserJock> I'm still trying to get the hang of Fridge
[05:21] <LaserJock> although it's not exactly hard
[05:21] <Burgundavia> done
[05:21] <Burgundavia> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1003
[05:21] <LaserJock> I just get a little nervous
[05:22] <LaserJock> great
[05:24] <LaserJock> that's pretty darn nifty
[05:52] <Rinchen> fyi:  http://tinyurl.com/2lrflc
[05:54] <LaserJock> Rinchen: very cool


[09:28] <rbasak> bdrung: trailing newline> yeah, as expected? Changelog entries are separated by newlines, so for a new changelog entry, you can expect trailing newline to be added.
[09:28] <rbasak> Oh, sorry. You mean at the bottom!
[09:29] <rbasak> That doesn't show up for me.
[09:30] <bdrung> rbasak, I have seen trailing newlines at the end of d/changelog in other merges as well. I am not sure where they came from.
[09:35] <rbasak> bdrung: I think dpkg-mergechangelogs might normalize newlines or similar
[09:36] <rbasak> Yes - as a result it ends up in the merge-changelogs commit
[09:36] <rbasak> But it was there previously so it isn't different against the previous Ubuntu upload.
[09:36] <rbasak> I wouldn't worry about it
[09:36] <rbasak> But if you'd like to fix dpkg-mergechangelogs, feel free :)
[09:38] <bdrung> I will probably look into fixing it at some point


[01:20] <Daekdroom> Well, I better check if I have a Ubuntu 11.04 CD in case this update goes awry.
[13:32] <BlouBlou> I have a lot of free time and I want to test new Ubuntu. If I install the new alpha, will I need to reinstall the whole system due to errors and fails ?
[13:53] <charlie-tca> possible
[13:53] <charlie-tca> BlouBlou: development versions are not stable and subject to breaking often
[13:54] <charlie-tca> Depending on your hardware and needs, it is possible to have the system unusable many days
[13:58] <JanC> it's best to keep at least one system around with a stable release, just in case...  ;)
[13:59] <JanC> especially if you need a working computer for job/school/etc.
[14:12] <BlouBlou> charlie-tca, JanC: Okay, I'll wait then :)
[14:13] <JanC> BlouBlou: you can also try dual booting or a VM of course
[14:13] <JanC> or if you have swappable disks, that's another solution
[14:15] <JanC> oh, and checking the backlog of this channel and some of the developer channels before upgrading packages also helps  ;)
[18:36] <penguin42> hmm I'm getting a bit of screen corruption on Oneiric ubuntu-2d in a natty kvm guest
[19:38] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: want to maintain another ppa? http://www.syncany.org/
[19:38]  * BUGabundo hides
[20:11] <Ian_Corne> where are the updates? :(
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> faster minions!
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[20:12] <BUGabundo> eheh
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> ty ubottu !
[20:12] <BUGabundo> in an hurry?
[20:12] <BUGabundo> there +2 in a repo
[20:12] <BUGabundo> I just saw it
[20:12] <BUGabundo> p-series
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> i want my windows to not fullschreen under the launcher anymore
[20:12] <Ian_Corne> what are you talking about BUGabundo ?
[20:13] <BUGabundo> http://archive.canonical.com/dists/p-series/
[20:15] <Ian_Corne> what's that? :p
[20:17] <BUGabundo> +2
[20:18] <charlie-tca> and I was just hoping to get +1 working
[20:21] <BluesKaj> howdy , how goes the graphics with the new kernel version 3.0-1 ?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: wfm
[20:23] <BluesKaj> wfm? , BUGabundo
[20:24] <BluesKaj> or do you mean rfm :)
[20:24] <BUGabundo> works for me
[20:24] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, ok which graphics card?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> nvidia
[20:24] <BUGabundo> 8400
[20:25] <BluesKaj> heh, mine's a 8400gs
[20:25] <BUGabundo> mine is mG
[20:25] <BUGabundo> laptop
[20:25] <BluesKaj> it broke on kernel 3.0-0
[20:26] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, their development team should create their own ubuntu packages
[20:26] <BUGabundo> Linux BluBUG 3.0-1-generic #2-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 15 20:28:47 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: :(
[20:26] <BUGabundo> I couldn't install it on my lappy
[20:26] <BUGabundo> no sun JDK
[20:27] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, are desktop effects still disabled on the new kernel ?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> were they EVER enabled?
[20:28] <BUGabundo> I haven't seen composite since natty
[20:29] <BluesKaj> they were in the previous one, 2.6.38-8
[20:32] <BluesKaj> oh well, guess I'll wait til the OS is more mature ..I need 3D and DIR for some of my apps
[20:42] <dupondje> Language is broken in Oneiric? Or did I forgot to install something ?
[20:42] <dupondje> cause my desktop is English :)
[21:47] <genii-around> When using plasma-netbook with pager widget.. it seems like virtual desktop 1 is somehow perhaps running unity on it but the others aren't
[21:47] <genii-around> At least the desktop for it
[23:24] <GordonFreeman> is there a general chat for #ubuntu?
[23:25] <GordonFreeman> I want to ask a couple of things about unity and stuff, but I don't think my questions fall under the "support terms"
[23:26] <GordonFreeman> for instance, is unity able to switch to a diff window manager, or is it all like gnome3 where everything is tightly integrated?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> This is for discussion of the next version
[23:26] <charlie-tca> If you are running Oneiric, we can try to answer questions
[23:27] <charlie-tca> yes, gnome3 is going to be usable
[23:29] <GordonFreeman> sorry, I'm not running any ubuntu, I'm just looking for a good set of options :)
[23:30] <GordonFreeman> I'm a prospective ubuntu user on this machine :P
[23:31] <GordonFreeman> but ya, I guess it does seem silly asking in here, I'll ask in the main channel then, thanks


[06:11] <nilg> hi I've done a merge using bzr merge and I've pushed the result on my private branch. Is it possible to turn this merge into a rebase? Or to revert and redo the operation using rebase but I'm afraid to loose my work in the middle?
[22:33] <mathrick> hey, is bzr supposed to be able to invoke the editor on win32 for commit messages?
[22:52] <fullermd> I'd assume so...
[22:52] <fullermd> Alternate less helpful but more fun answer: We wouldn't want to assume windows users can _type_...
[22:54] <mathrick> that only works on vista+ :)