[00:00] <freakyy> i wonder if i should just put the boot partition on the ssd
[00:00] <qu> my /etc/hosts seems useless now. i set `<IP_ADDRESS> www.abc.com` in `hosts`, but when i `ping www.abc.com`, returns `PING kevin.com.router (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.` Why? (lubuntu 15.10)
[00:00] <int-main> the_count: just press F12
[00:00] <qu> i tried lots of times, any not exists domain names (but a set in /etc/hosts) are return `<IP_ADDRESS>` when ping.
[00:00] <Acerio> freakyy: However, minimal builds do not come with a desktop environment, so you will need to install one yourself, which is not hard. My favorite environment is GNOME 3.18, but Ubuntu default is Unity.
[00:00] <freakyy> Acerio: i dont want that
[00:00] <Acerio> freakyy: Why not?
[00:00] <the_count> dersand: So, you have somebody else's phone? And you want to use their phone service for yourself?
[00:00] <freakyy> its still too big
[00:00] <Acerio> freakyy: What is the size of your SSD?
[00:00] <freakyy> ill find a solution
[00:00] <the_count> int-main: There is no reason then why that same thing wouldn't work for ubuntu
[00:01] <dersand> the_count, it's my own. But i guess nobody will believe me?
[00:01] <kakashiAL> hi
[00:01] <int-main> the_count: exactly why I am disturbed
[00:01] <the_count> dersand: Welll, it makes people wonder, start searching for an ssh server app on the play store then.
[00:01] <kakashiAL> is it possible to make your ubuntu pc, where you use wlan to go to the internet, offer a hotspot
[00:02] <the_count> int-main: Well...
[00:02] <kakashiAL> I mean use the same pc and to browse the internet and offer a hotpot
[00:02] <bprompt> int-main:     ok... can you try, with the f12 light orange, boot to windows, see if it turns to white while in windows
[00:03] <dersand> the_count Since i can't run anything, init or set any values i guess it needs to be "plug and play". That's a bit much to ask for huh?
[00:03] <the_count> int-main: I'm not sure I understand what you mean
[00:03] <kakashiAL> anyone?
[00:03] <int-main> the_count: I meant it should but it isn't.  I am online via windows 10 currently
[00:04] <the_count> kakashiAL: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html
[00:04] <kakashiAL> I am using wlan to go the internet Na3iL :)
[00:04] <Acerio_> Hey sorry, I am back. freakyy if you said something, I may have missed it. So please restate the reply.
[00:04] <kakashiAL> but I want to offer a hotspot
[00:04] <Na3iL> You mean wlan0 kakashiAL
[00:04] <kakashiAL> and be able to do both
[00:04] <kakashiAL> use my wlan and offer a hotspot
[00:05] <Acerio_> My PC froze :P And my old IRC session is still active, which is weird.
[00:05] <the_count> int-man: What drivers did you find that were supposed to work
[00:05] <kakashiAL> the_count: I am using xfce
[00:05] <bprompt> int-main:     the " I have RT3290 adapter. My Wifi says disabled by hardware switch."   makes me suspicious that is software, but yes, the f12 light could  be orange by lack of loaded drivers, what wifi nic do you have again?   broadcom? atheros? else?
[00:05] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: Still around?
[00:06] <Na3iL> Yep VictoriaXOXO
[00:06] <int-main> bprompt: Ralink
[00:06] <kakashiAL> so, anyone?:)
[00:06] <the_count> kakashiAL: Maybe check with those who make xfice then
[00:07] <Acerio_> What is the timeout time for IRC sessions? Waiting for my last session to timeout, so I can change my nick.
[00:07] <bprompt> hmm
[00:07] <the_count> int-main: Try ' rfkill unblock all '
[00:08] <kakashiAL> the_count: there is none
[00:08] <int-main> the_count: as I said, it works when its soft blocked. Mine is hard blocked
[00:08] <the_count> int-main: Try [Fn] + [Ctrl] + [F12]
[00:09] <Apteryx> Is there any way I can see any process that gets run after I login? I think some process is overriding some definitions I put in my .profile.
[00:09] <Bashing-om> the_count: I see several issues with touchpads have been resolved "upstream"; Have you tried the latest kernel that was installed this round ?
[00:09] <the_count> kakashiAL: #xfce
[00:09] <the_count> Bashing-om: not sure exactly what you mean.
[00:10] <Apteryx> I think I've found a bug where any Xinput configuration gets overridden shortly after login in.
[00:10] <int-main> the_count: I'll have to make a bootable USB but I'll try it. Did you find something?
[00:10] <the_count> int-main: I'll get you the link in a sec
[00:11] <Apteryx> This because my Xorg input device config stopped working, and after experimenting with putting xinput set-button-map in my .profile, this also fails.
[00:11] <the_count> int-main: http://askubuntu.com/questions/528316/wifi-is-diasbled-by-hardware-switch-in-ubuntu-14-04-32-bit-on-hp-430-laptop
[00:11] <Apteryx> But manually sourcing the .profile file after the system is on does the trick.
[00:11] <Apteryx> And I know for sure that .profile is run while Ubuntu's booting.
[00:12] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: Propably possible, but you would need to have two WLAN interfaces I think.
[00:12] <int-main> the_count: let me try. Will report soon
[00:12] <kakashiAL> AlexQ: so you cant go to the internet and have a hotspot with the same wlan interface?
[00:13]  * Acerio is AFK
[00:13] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: I am not sure there are any WLAN interfaces that allow that.
[00:13] <Acerio> whoops pretty sure i broke a rule there. sorry!
[00:14] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: But what is your use case? What are you trying to achieve?
[00:14] <kakashiAL> I have wlan, my smartphone is not able to get the waln (its 5hrz vs 3hrz)
[00:14] <OerHeks> kakashiAL, no you can't.
[00:15] <kakashiAL> OerHeks: hmm...okay
[00:15] <OerHeks> and not all wifi adapters can, under linux, it is a driver issue then.
[00:15] <OerHeks> * do hotspot
[00:16] <kakashiAL> OerHeks: can we try it?
[00:17] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: You could try with some USB WiFi dongles, if you have some laying around.
[00:17] <kakashiAL> nope :(
[00:17] <kakashiAL> I just have a laptop with a wlan
[00:17] <OerHeks> kakashiAL, sure, connect to internet via cable, and setup wifi as ad-hoc/hotspot network in networkmanager
[00:18] <kakashiAL> my cable is too short, my router is not in my room :/
[00:18] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: And if you aren't able to access the Internet via cable, maybe it is somehow possible to share internet connection from laptop to smartphone via Bluetooth.
[00:19] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: It used to be done the other way around for sure.
[00:21] <AlexQ> kakashiAL: Aren't you able to switch the router into hybrid mode (2.4GHz + 5GHz) BTW.? I think almost all of them allow that.
[00:21] <Avocado_> Found a screenshot tool, works neat.
[00:21] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/dPBjSNX
[00:21] <Avocado_> alt+shift+2
[00:21] <Avocado_> auto uploads and copies to clipboard
[00:21] <Avocado_> If anyones interested, its called screencloud
[00:21] <marus> if i run ubuntu as a desktop, it's a good practice to use iptables?
[00:22] <int-main> the_count: Didn't work
[00:23] <noah> int-main: I'm back! Got anything on that networking issue?
[00:23] <Na3iL> indeed marus
[00:24] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does anyone in here know how to close Firefox (or any browser) when the VPN connection fails?
[00:25] <marus> Na3iL: does the firewall run by default?
[00:25] <Na3iL> VictoriaXOXO, xkill via the terminal, forces to quit the app you want to quit..
[00:25] <noah> Open a gnome-terminal, type 'pkill firefox'. Please note that this does NOT clean up memory, etc...
[00:26] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: noah: I meant automatically. XD
[00:26] <Na3iL> Nope, marus it is disabled by default
[00:27] <noah> I don't know how to automate it. :( A Shell Script?
[00:27] <Na3iL> Cause Ubuntu Desktop does not need to a firewall to be safe on the Internet, since by default Ubuntu does not open ports that can introduce security issues.
[00:28] <Na3iL> yep noah and place it in the startup applications
[00:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: noah: No idea how to automate it?
[00:28] <Na3iL> VictoriaXOXO, if you want it automatically, then you should knows the crontab jobs
[00:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Na3iL: crontab jobs... Hmm...
[00:29] <Na3iL> Or more easily using shell scripting
[00:30] <noah> A crontab might do the trick. Try 'man crontab'
[00:32] <Avocado_> Syria secretly sentenced free software developer and Firefox contributor Bassel Khartabil to death (boingboing.net)
[00:32] <Avocado_> NOOO!!
[00:32] <marus> Na3iL: so it's not running by default, but i have to run and make rules also on my laptop?
[00:33] <int-main> noah: I tried Ctrl + Fn + F12 and rfkill unblock all
[00:33] <int-main> No help
[00:34] <Na3iL> Yep marus
[00:35] <Na3iL> if you are not familiar with it, you can use the GUI version of firewall → gufw
[00:35] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does anyone in here know how to close Firefox (or any browser) (automatically) when the VPN connection fails?
[00:39] <OerHeks> VictoriaXOXO, you want to close firefox on the vpn, when your connection fails?
[00:39] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: No, I want Firefox to shut down (like, instantly) as soon as the VPN disconnects. :P
[00:40] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: So I don't accidently surf more with regular ISP.
[00:40] <OerHeks> oke, a clue: /etc/network/if-post-down.d/ >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/519920/how-to-run-an-up-script-using-network-manager-openvpn
[00:40] <OerHeks> pkill firefox
[00:41] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: Saving everything and will look at it within a few minutes. Thanks. :)
[00:43] <dahui> hi all i installed scrapy with pip, but it is installed on /usr/local/bin/scrapy ... how do i make it go to /usr/bin/scrapy??
[00:43] <dahui> with link or a copy?
[00:43] <daftykins> symlink it
[00:43] <daftykins> sounds like you installed something without a package
[00:45] <Avocado_> hey guys, I can't access my HDD that I use to store files/backup
[00:45] <Avocado_> It says "unable to access "backup""
[00:45] <Avocado_> error mounting /dev/sdb2 at blablbla
[00:45] <Na3iL> You need to export it daftykins
[00:45] <Avocado_> exited with no-zero exit status 12: failed to read last sector
[00:45] <daftykins> Na3iL: i think you have the wrong nick
[00:45] <Avocado_> someone said it might be fast boot from windows?
[00:46] <Avocado_> The device /dev/sdb2 doesn  seem to have a valid ntfs
[00:46] <Na3iL> Ah! sorry daftykins x)
[00:46]  * Na3iL is sleeping on the keyboard :P
[00:46] <daftykins> Avocado_: mmm not for a storage only drive, no harm in booting back in and running chkdsk on it though - have you checked SMART data in case it's failing? assuming it's mechanical
[00:47] <noah> Reboot into Windows twice, run chkdsk on it. You must reboot TWICE.
[00:47] <Avocado_> daftykins, I can reach it from windows
[00:47] <Avocado_> ok
[00:47] <Avocado_> Will try
[00:48] <daftykins> noah: what makes you think that? :)
[00:48] <the_count> Bashing-om: So.. Have you found anything which might be good...?
[00:49] <daftykins> buying another laptop? :)
[00:49] <noah> Read it from some man page. Apparently Windows checks the disks and does somthing to them. Really, I have no idea what it does, it just works for me ;)
[00:49] <daftykins> noah: ah, maybe for an OS drive, don't expect so much for a sole storage disk
[00:49] <noah> I would still try...
[00:50] <noah> It fixed my storage drive too when I rebooted.
[00:50] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Synaptics diagnostic info from fresh Xubuntu Wily installation, where smooth scrolling works correctly: xmodmap xinput evtest xev.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428392/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428396/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428402/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/13428409/
[00:50] <AlexQ>
[00:53] <Avocado_> Tried doing the chkdsk
[00:53] <Avocado_> no errors found
[00:53] <VictoriaXOXO> OerHeks: I'm afraid that is too hard for me. :/
[00:53] <Avocado_> I can reach it from windows, but not from ubuntu
[00:53] <Avocado_> Also the disk type is "Dynamic" not "basic"
[00:53] <Avocado_> not sure if that has something to do with it?
[00:53] <noah> That is wierd...
[00:54] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/zyDucM3
[00:54] <Avocado_> noah, can you take a look at that?
[00:55] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/F15eo1S
[00:55] <noah> Do you have a backup uf the disk? If you do, try changing the type to 'basic'. Always have a backup. Disk partitioning is fun ;) (It fails sometimes)
[00:55] <Avocado_> this is what i see in disks
[00:55] <Avocado_> I get my external harddisk tomorrow, im gonna back up everythign on there
[00:55] <Avocado_> I can repartition it then, to be sure
[00:55] <Avocado_> I think its because of the dynamic type
[00:55] <Avocado_> I read it somewhere
[00:56] <TigersFox> hi
[00:56] <the_count> Bashing-om: At least, how would we resolve the graphics problems restore it to normal
[00:56] <noah> Once you have a backup, erase the disk and repartitonn it. Then copy the data of the backup.
[00:56] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/yyAVNo6
[00:56] <Avocado_> noah take a look at that
[00:56] <Captonjamason> Hello, Im having some trouble with WIFI on ubuntu 14.04 on Acer 5517 Notebook, Its acting as if there is no wifi, Even though im in windows 7 typing this, I tried Updating (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade) and installing 15.10 but it didnt help
[00:56] <Avocado_> it says "unknown"
[00:56] <daftykins> Avocado_: that's definitely unwise, i would not keep a disk as dynamic.
[00:56] <Avocado_> What does dynamic type even mean?
[00:56] <daftykins> prepares it for joining together with other disks in a pool, under Windows
[00:56] <AbuDhar> it means it is dynamic :D
[00:56] <daftykins> Avocado_: anyway, run a manual mount command in the terminal; then show us the error output
[00:57] <Avocado_> I did shrink that disk one time, maybe thats why its dynamic now?
[00:57] <daftykins> !behelpful | AbuDhar or don't speak please
[00:57] <noah> I'm not sure, but I "THINK" that it's like LVM in linux.
[00:57] <AbuDhar> :D
[00:57] <Avocado_> So I use mount /dev/sdb2 right?
[00:57] <AbuDhar> what are you trying to do Avocado_+
[00:57] <Avocado_> (never mounted before)
[00:57] <noah> If your disk is /dev/sdb2.
[00:57] <daftykins> Avocado_: use http://paste.ubuntu.com to show us "sudo parted -l" to have a glance first
[00:58] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13429644/
[00:58] <Avocado_> I have an SSD of 128gb, and the HDD is 750gb
[00:59] <daftykins> Avocado_: so no, /dev/sdb1 - make sure it's not tried to automount by typing "mount" on its' own and looking for sdb1
[00:59] <daftykins> although that doesn't even recognise a file system on there, which is not good at all.
[00:59] <Avocado_> Weird, i can read and write on windows
[01:00] <daftykins> yes, spotted that quirk :)
[01:00] <noah> Once it works, try to add it to /etc/fstab to automaticly mount it on startup.
[01:00] <daftykins> Captonjamason: can you identify the wifi device involved?
[01:00] <Avocado_> so now I try "mount /dev/sdb1"?
[01:00] <daftykins> noah: jumping a bit far ahead, since it's not gonna work
[01:00] <Avocado_> is that the correct command
[01:00] <logglog> hello everyone is there a way to make ubuntus sidebar to act intelligente, for example when i put firefox to maximum size i want that the sidebar hides. is it possible to make it. (i am new to linux)
[01:00] <daftykins> Avocado_: well did you see it auto mounted yet or no? from "mount"
[01:00] <noah> Ok. Sorry.
[01:01] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13429724/
[01:01] <noah> Try "sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs"/
[01:01] <noah> Try "sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs".
[01:01] <daftykins> Avocado_: ok good, looks like a no - so "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" - which should fail, then show us what "dmesg | tail" said as well as the error
[01:02] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13429763/
[01:02] <alain> logglog, did you try a right-click in the panel?
[01:03] <daftykins> Avocado_: nope that didn't show anything relevant, did the mount command error? what did it say?
[01:03] <Avocado_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[01:03] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: the_count: I don't think there is any difference there. xev (guess that stands for X events) only shows simulated scroll button press events, on both OSes, and evtest shows more low-level events that are the same (just two fingers on touchpad, that's all). Where is the processing connected with smooth scrolling - I don't know - don't know if it is somehow handled as a X event as well. I think it is pretty obvious that the apps
[01:04] <daftykins> Avocado_: ok. which dist are we dealing with? "cat /etc/issue"
[01:04] <Avocado_> filesystem type should be NTFS right? how do i put that in the command there?
[01:04] <RaizQuadrada> g
[01:04] <daftykins> well since parted couldn't see it, we can tell it... but i'm sure it won't help.
[01:04] <daftykins> Avocado_: "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mnt" though do confirm version with the above for me first
[01:04] <Avocado_> daftykins, Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[01:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: No easy way of killing certain processes when VPN fails? :/
[01:05] <TigersFox> kann jemand per zufall deutsch hier ^
[01:05] <Avocado_> daftykins, ready to go?
[01:05] <AlexQ> VictoriaXOXO: It isn't a hard way. Do you think it would be easier on Windows? :D
[01:05] <daftykins> Avocado_: yeah give it a go, i suspect an error
[01:06] <Avocado_> daftykins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13430177/
[01:06] <noah> use sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /mnt/mydevice. replace xxx with your device name.
[01:06] <daftykins> yeah that's not a good sign.
[01:06] <Avocado_> I think i gotta reformat the disk
[01:06] <daftykins> Avocado_: that'd be the easiest way, you could try running gparted and see if it says anything about the disk first
[01:07] <daftykins> i'm sure a more experienced volunteer i know here could help, but it's only a format away anyway
[01:07] <Avocado_> I'll wait for tomorrow, after I backup ill reformat is as NTFS, right?
[01:07] <TigersFox> have you a weblink, where i can my skript upload?
[01:07] <noah> Just back up, reformat, and restore
[01:08] <Avocado_> wait, "restore"?
[01:08] <Avocado_> oh you mean, put files back in
[01:08] <Avocado_> Yeah, ill do that
[01:08] <noah> Restore from the backup
[01:08] <Avocado_> Thanks for help daftykins
[01:08] <Avocado_> and noah
[01:08] <daftykins> np
[01:08] <AlexQ> Avocado_: Yeah, backup as in copy files, not in make a partition image.
[01:08] <VictoriaXOXO> AlexQ: Yes, much easier. I've done it in the past.
[01:09] <noah> A partition image is useless because it takes the error with it :)
[01:09] <Avocado_> daftykins, what was the /mnt command for btw? i thought mount already meant mount
[01:09] <daftykins> that's where to mount to.
[01:09] <Avocado_> ohh
[01:09] <Avocado_> it takes /dev/sdb1 and mounts it to /mnt
[01:09] <Avocado_> got it
[01:09] <daftykins> yep
[01:09] <Avocado_> new to linux..
[01:10] <daftykins> ^_^
[01:10] <Avocado_> But its addicting as hell trying to fix everything
[01:10] <daftykins> it's pretty nuts when you're new, used to X: and so on... but essentially any folder path such as /something/here can be a folder on a disk, or a mount point for a disk or partition
[01:10] <daftykins> hey nothing's broken :P
[01:12] <noah> Use the -t option to manually set the partition type. Yours in NTFS, so use 'sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/xxx /path/to/mount/point' Replace 'xxx' with your device name, replace /path/to/mount/point with any empty directory that you want to maunt it to.
[01:12] <Avocado_> so why is the mount folder called /mnt?
[01:12] <Avocado_> is /mnt just a shortcut to access /dev/xxx?
[01:13] <Avocado_> I could mount it to /banana too?
[01:13] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: When a guide tells me to "point to your VPN's IP...", what do they mean? I get a new IP ever single time I connect. :/
[01:13] <AlexQ> Avocado_: Mount point is just a pre-existing empty directory.
[01:13] <Avocado_> I thought my ubuntu OS is "mounted"?
[01:13] <Avocado_> where does that get mounted?
[01:13] <AlexQ> Avocado_: /
[01:13] <Avocado_> oh
[01:13] <Avocado_> thats like the tree trunk
[01:14] <Avocado_> when you look at it from visual point of view
[01:14] <Avocado_> and every folder inside it is a branch
[01:14] <noah> No No No. /dev/xxx should be replaced with /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb2 or whatever your device is. /mnt is a generic folder for mounting devices, but it is just a folder. For more info, run 'man mount'
[01:14] <Avocado_> and folder inside that is another branch
[01:14] <Avocado_> ?
[01:14] <Avocado_> what does the man command do
[01:14] <Avocado_> its like "help"?>
[01:14] <AlexQ> That's like mounting different trees to branches of one main tree. | man opens a manual page, yep
[01:15] <noah> The 'man' command brings up documentation on commands or config files
[01:15] <Avocado_> woah cool!
[01:15] <Avocado_> im starting to like linux
[01:15] <noah> Linux is So Cool!
[01:15] <Avocado_> its a shame the DPI is fucked up for my chrome browser
[01:15] <Avocado_> i have to use firefox cant stand the font rendering on chrome browser
[01:16] <Avocado_> https://imgur.com/iFjK5tA
[01:16] <Avocado_> look at how oversized and bold the font is
[01:18] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: When a guide tells me to "point to your VPN's IP...", what do they mean? I get a new IP ever single time I connect. :/
[01:19] <Avocado_> VictoriaXOXO, I think the VPN's IP and the IP that your VPN gives you are 2 different things
[01:19] <Avocado_> could be wrong
[01:19] <AlexQ> VictoriaXOXO: Maybe they mean the VPN server you connect to, rather than the external IP you get? These are two different things I presume, tough I am a total VPN noob.  :P
[01:19] <VictoriaXOXO> Avocado_: Hmm. Maybe.
[01:20] <MrCeeIII> good evening.... I had a quick question... what if you are within an application and the computer freezes... what do you do cold reboot? is there somthing else i can try first? please advise
[01:21] <Avocado_> VictoriaXOXO, Maybe this is related to your question: http://www.overclock.net/t/411495/how-to-find-the-vpn-host-name-or-ip-address#post_4912679
[01:22] <MrCeeIII> good evening.... I had a quick question... what if you are within an application and the computer freezes... what do you do cold reboot? is there somthing else i can try first? please advise
[01:22] <VictoriaXOXO> Avocado_: Boooooom. Saved. :)
[01:22] <MrCeeIII> anyone?anyone?
[01:23] <daftykins> !reisub | MrCeeIII
[01:23] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: Maybe this? http://blog.kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
[01:23] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[01:23] <VictoriaXOXO> I'm so slow.
[01:23] <Avocado_> So weird, when you google "f", facebook shows up at top
[01:23] <Avocado_> :D
[01:23] <daftykins> not weird at all, certainly off topic though :)
[01:24] <VictoriaXOXO> Avocado_: Not weird. They serve the same master. ;)
[01:24] <Avocado_> Google and facebook are different tho
[01:24] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yeah.maybe we should work on the display .. There are bug reports in this respect of the graphic's driver and touchpad . ' lspci ; sudo lshw -C display ] to see what it will take to restore .
[01:27] <MrCeeIII> alt printscreen does nothing... hello daftykins...
[01:27] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: where did you get the idea that you had to press that from?
[01:28] <MrCeeIII> !from ubottu up there ^
[01:28] <MrCeeIII> WTH?
[01:28] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: you might want to read a bit closer then.
[01:28] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: Dude. You need to hold down Alt+PrintScreen AND then type REISUB.
[01:29] <MrCeeIII> the print screen on this keyboard is a function
[01:29] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: And don't let daftykins get to you. He's helpful, but cold. XD
[01:29] <MrCeeIII> i know him...
[01:29] <MrCeeIII> and i know his ways
[01:29] <VictoriaXOXO> MrCeeIII: What kind of a keyboard is that? :/
[01:30] <MrCeeIII> idunno gateway... i have to hold down a funtion key to then hit printscreen
[01:30] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: "free -m" > http://paste.ubuntu.com
[01:31] <MrCeeIII> basically  the windows ctrl alt delete on linux
[01:31] <daftykins> is what you're after? yeah doesn't work like that
[01:31] <daftykins> plus if Windows had frozen, trying to call up the task manager is equally useless
[01:32] <daftykins> another angle you can take, though... is trying to press ctrl+alt+F1 to get to TTY1.
[01:32] <MrCeeIII> so shall i cold boot in the future?
[01:32] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: if you run the above command and put it on the paste site though, i can check if you're freezing up for a lack of RAM issue.
[01:32] <daftykins> cold boot means to press power from being switched off, i'm not sure how you'd apply that to freezing
[01:32] <the_count> Bashing-om: May we resume this monday?
[01:33] <MrCeeIII> i thought there was somthing out there that i can get to a window and type top
[01:33] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: yeah the above, ctrl+alt+F1
[01:33] <baiter> free -m|pastebin
[01:33] <MrCeeIII> i simply hold the powere key till the computer shuts off
[01:33] <daftykins> baiter: it's pastebinit in ubuntu ; and needs installing.
[01:33] <baiter> it does?
[01:33] <daftykins> yes
[01:35] <baiter> now that everybody's on 64 bit os, it's easy to get 32 gig+ ram
[01:35] <baiter> dunno why they don't offer it more often
[01:36] <daftykins> "they" ? there's not one single computer manufacturer.
[01:36] <baiter> i mean pre-built desktop sellers
[01:36] <baiter> was the context unclear?
[01:37] <daftykins> you're just off topic i'm afraid :)
[01:37] <daftykins> and also pretty wrong ime
[01:39] <Bashing-om> the_count: Sure, at your pace .
[01:42] <the_count> Bashing-om: I've got 500 projects going on right now, and I will  have to pace them out I guess, have a good one...
[01:42] <the_count> Bashing-om: Are you around Sunday's?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yes, even on a sunday ... I will be around - later in the eve .
[01:47] <the_count> Ok, I might, I'll see
[01:56] <cluelesscoder> so I wanted to show my brother Linux and open-source programming... he runs Windows and lives across the country
[01:56] <VictoriaXOXO> Awwww yissss.  ÖD
[01:56] <VictoriaXOXO> :D
[01:56] <cluelesscoder> we both downlaoded http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute/?version=15.10&architecture=amd64 and tried to use with Virtualbox
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> both got the SquashFS error
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> pretty disappointing
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> (I'm running OSX El Capitan)
[01:57] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: bad downloads perhaps, try the torrents instead.
[01:57] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Use a torrent download.
[01:57] <daftykins> which virt tech did you boot with?
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> we both had bad downloads?
[01:57] <Acerio> Oh daftykins beat me to it
[01:57] <daftykins> Acerio: only just ;)
[01:57] <cluelesscoder> the downloads page doesn't have an have an md5sum!
[01:58] <daftykins> yes it does; http://releases.ubuntu.com
[01:58] <cluelesscoder> well not from the main page to download it
[01:58] <cluelesscoder> I got there from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/
[01:58] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Maybe try installing it on the actual HDD?
[01:58] <daftykins> needing to check the hashes doesn't tend to be a beginner task, so *shrug*
[01:59] <cluelesscoder> yeah, but it's essential to help a beginner (or experienced person) get unstuck
[01:59] <VictoriaXOXO> I'm a beginner, but paranoid. I need hashes. :o)
[01:59] <cluelesscoder> pretty sad that Ubuntu is dumbing things down to the point where they don't even present an md5sum
[01:59] <VictoriaXOXO> Check ALL the hashes!
[01:59] <blhack> I'm beginner too
[01:59] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: i believe your opinion on this matter is ridiculous.
[02:00] <cluelesscoder> I guess I should have stuck with Arch anyway
[02:00] <mgolisch> all cds come with a test thing dont they?
[02:00] <daftykins> mgolisch: typically, yeah - at least on legacy boot i know for sure
[02:00] <cluelesscoder> mgolish: it's 2015, neither of us even have CD drives on our laptops
[02:00] <Acerio> YOU CAN INSTALL ARCH BUT NOT UBUNTU?
[02:00] <mgolisch> cluelesscoder: i meant the iso
[02:00] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: well yeah. there's something to be said for a clearly documented wiki
[02:01] <daftykins> lets get back on topic now, rather than slating an entire distro for our inability to find the information we want.
[02:01] <hggdh> ...
[02:01] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's basically foolproof
[02:01] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Let me figure out your issue. What is the problem again?
[02:01] <daftykins> too late.
[02:01] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I'm using Ubuntu, but have used the AL wiki more than the Ubuntu wiki. XD
[02:01] <Acerio> Explain it to me in depth.
[02:01] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquashfsErrors
[02:02] <Acerio> That page gives you solutions.
[02:02] <Acerio> Literally.
[02:02] <Acerio> Try testing things out, it shows several causes, and several solutions. Try them all!
[02:02] <Acerio> :)
[02:02] <VictoriaXOXO> I don't think he wants solutions. I think he wants to put down Ubuntu. :P
[02:03] <noah> Anyone know of a good DHCP server for Ubuntu?
[02:03] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's pretty amazing to have this issue in the latest release when it's been reported since 2007
[02:03] <daftykins> noah: "apt-cache search dhcp" - are you sure you need one? typically this is handled by your router...
[02:03] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: you're the first person with it since 15.10's release, so i think it's more down to yourself
[02:03] <mgolisch> cluelesscoder: maybe your image is bad?
[02:04] <daftykins> (or rather your computer :) )
[02:04] <mgolisch> or your computer has bad memory
[02:04] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: It's because of your computer, not the OS.
[02:04] <noah> Yes. I want more configuration than my router provides, and I do not want to buy a new one.
[02:04] <Acerio> It could also be because you are on a Mac, with a VM incompatible CPU.
[02:04] <VictoriaXOXO> 7e5b393977d41b77c2208fbef7b3c23d2f134e9f *ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:04] <Acerio> But every other bit of information would be given there.
[02:04] <VictoriaXOXO> Easy money.
[02:04] <cluelesscoder> both my computer and my brother's computer (running Windows 10) are bad in the same way?
[02:04] <cluelesscoder> if that's so, it hits a wide market
[02:05] <cluelesscoder> in any case, those solutions are presented in like 1/10 the level of detail they would be presented on Arch
[02:05] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Check the sha1sum for your .iso. 7e5b393977d41b77c2208fbef7b3c23d2f134e9f *ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:05] <monsune> oh btw can you sha1 just a text and not a file?
[02:05] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: seriously downloading one file then saying there's an issue distro wide, you realise how overreacting this is? you probably just got a bad local mirror (if it's even the file at the source)
[02:05] <noah> OK. After trying 'apt-cache search dhcp' i've found DHCPD. I'll try that!
[02:05] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: please stop. We are not comparing arch or anything else. If youfeel better with arch, go there.
[02:06] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Try another ISO, or something.
[02:06] <monsune> cluelesscoder win10 is evil...
[02:06] <Acerio> Maybe you didn't burn it correctly, or maybe it was a bad mirror.
[02:06] <daftykins> !ot | monsune NO.
[02:06] <monsune> daftykins got it.
[02:06] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: "NO." -- Like he's a dog. :P
[02:07] <cluelesscoder> how do I edit a grub.conf file in an ISO?
[02:07] <cluelesscoder> never had to do that
[02:07] <monsune> so can you sha1 a text? i need a sha1 pass hash for word: hello
[02:07] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Just install another ISO!
[02:07] <monsune> VictoriaXOXO i'm sure that he really meant that ;)
[02:08] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: one would think that the one pointed to by the big Download button at http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/ would be the most reliable
[02:08] <monsune> 1700+ in the # has no clue how to generate a sha1 hash in ubuntu :)
[02:08] <VictoriaXOXO> Well, we're all dirty dogs in here, according to Arch users. /end of off-topic
[02:08] <monsune> VictoriaXOXO ha ha
[02:08] <noah> If it is a squashfs, use the unsquashfs program to extract it, cd into the extracted directory, and edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:08] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: 64bit or 32bit PC?
[02:08] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: but yeah, I'll try it again I guess
[02:08] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: I will find one that will probably work.
[02:09] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: why don't you go to releases.ubuntu.com, download from there, and check md5s from there?
[02:09] <daftykins> monsune: hang on let me wake up all 17xx members of the channel to tell you you're off topic and should move to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:09] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-15.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[02:09] <Acerio> ^ 32 bit
[02:09] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[02:09] <Acerio> ^ 64 bit
[02:10] <Acerio> Those will most likely work. Make sure to correctly burn the ISO onto a CD.
[02:10] <cluelesscoder> hggdh: is that even linked anywhere from the main page?
[02:10] <monsune> daftykins that would be something absolutely cool to watch :)
[02:10] <Acerio> Unless you are using VM?
[02:10] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: no
[02:10] <UbuN2> hello linux workd :()
[02:10] <Acerio> If VM, make sure your settings are correct. and make sure your CPU is VM compatible, as well as the rest of your hardware.
[02:10] <monsune> UbuN2 hello non-Arch user :)
[02:10] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: well yeah, as I said this happened installing on Virtualbox
[02:11] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: I run virtual box installations of Linux all the time for work
[02:11] <UbuN2> i do have arch and LFS monsune
[02:11] <hggdh> cluelesscoder: well, it is, via http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[02:11] <UbuN2> ;)
[02:11] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: If you say you installed Arch before, and used it for a while, I am surprised you have issues with Ubuntu.
[02:12] <Acerio> Ubuntu is usually the beginners Linux distro, and it is very user friendly, unlike Arch.
[02:12] <Acerio> Arch does not have an installer :P
[02:12] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: yep, that's why I was surprised to find it didn't work
[02:12] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: True, but the AL wiki is EXTREMELY useful and user friendly. Even I get some of it.
[02:12] <Renzadic> Hey how are we doing, I'm having a problem installing ubuntu 15 on to a usb drive. Through windows i am always successful but when using unetbootin on ubuntu or just the start up disk creator it always gives me a bootloader failed message. On the disks page it shows loops from the iso to the usb device which is weird and also doesnt work of course when i try to boot from usb.
[02:13] <Acerio> I installed Ubuntu 15.10 on a clients PC this morning, with no issues.
[02:13] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: and for both myself and my brother halfway across the world, with very different underlying systems, to have the same issue...
[02:13] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's just sad that Ubuntu continues to have so many problems
[02:13] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Strange, you and your brother are the only ones :P
[02:13] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: no, it's a common problem - that's why there is a wiki page
[02:14] <Renzadic> Hey how are we doing, I'm having a problem installing ubuntu 15 on to a usb drive. Through windows i am always successful but when using unetbootin on ubuntu or just the start up disk creator it always gives me a bootloader failed message. On the disks page it shows loops from the iso to the usb device which is weird and also doesnt work of course when i try to boot from usb.
[02:14] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: I hardly see people complain. Millions of PC's run ubuntu no problem.
[02:14] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I'm afraid... the problem is... you.
[02:14] <Acerio> Renzadic: Try CD?
[02:14] <Acerio> Renzadic: Or maybe there is an issue with GRUB.
[02:15] <Renzadic> Acerio, so where would i begin
[02:15] <utu8o> which video chat app would protect the privacy and legal confidentiality of doctor-patient relationship??
[02:15] <Apteryx> Any idea why such an xinput script has no effect when it's ran from my .profile ? : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13388742/
[02:15] <Acerio> Renzadic: Try getting a blank CD, burning the Ubuntu ISO. Booting to CD. If there is still a bootloader error, try another HDD, or Google the error and try to look on forum listings to see if someone got the same issue.
[02:15] <daftykins> utu8o: i don't think anyone here would be qualified to comment on that front.
[02:15] <VictoriaXOXO> utu8o: None.
[02:16] <utu8o> VictoriaXOXO, what would the closes software be?
[02:17] <VictoriaXOXO> utu8o: I guess I'm the wrong person to ask. I don't trust any of them. There's even duct-tape on my laptops and phones.
[02:17] <VictoriaXOXO> Because of the cameras, that is.
[02:18] <jazbec1> Hi. I've just installed bodhi linux and my usb wi-fi dingle doesnt work. I've tried some things, and it seems that "the kernel module is loaded but the software firmware-ralink doesn't seem to be in the repository" can anyone help? thanks.
[02:18] <Acerio> jazbec1: wrong place to ask bud.
[02:18] <daftykins> jazbec1: sorry that's not supported here.
[02:18] <daftykins> only ubuntu and official derivatives
[02:19] <_nemesys> hello everybody opennerd
[02:19] <jazbec1> ok, thanks anyway
[02:19] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: utu8o: Many softwares claim to be safe. But "slack" seems the most trustworthy, but still, you never know.
[02:19] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: well, do you know how to open an ISO and edit the grub file? ISO is not generally an editable thing
[02:20] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I've asked that myself once.  I think you are approaching this the wrong way. I just offered help, and I bet you didn't even attempt it. Please try it, before jumping to conclusions.
[02:20] <Acerio> monsune: ;)
[02:21] <monsune> plus somehow ssh works better on freebsd, it's totally alive compared to linux
[02:21] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: it's impossible :)
[02:21] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: basically they are saying you need to boot to grub and edit it from there somehow
[02:21] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: edit for what purpose? you have a corrupt download...
[02:21] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: OH. Boot to GRUB.
[02:21] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Oh, okay. But did you verify the susm? 7e5b393977d41b77c2208fbef7b3c23d2f134e9f *ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[02:21] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: but that is the only suggested solution on the wiki
[02:21] <daftykins> we said to grab the torrent - you could have done it by now.
[02:21] <blhack> how to upgrade ubuntu 15.04?
[02:22] <Acerio> blhack: In Ubuntu search, look up "Upgrade"
[02:22] <Acerio> blhack: By "Ubuntu search", I mean the dash.
[02:22] <daftykins> blhack: run "do-release-upgrade" or just open the update manager.
[02:22] <Acerio> ^
[02:22] <daftykins> Acerio: if you're not 100%, don't respond to folk...
[02:22] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: MD5 (ubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso) = ece816e12f97018fa3d4974b5fd27337
[02:22] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: I rebooted the machine and now it is running (at least seems to be running)
[02:23] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Try the SHA-1 one, please. I don't trust MD5.  If you do the step, it works. There is an application that upgrades.
[02:23] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: so apparently that SqashFS error is just a scare tactic
[02:23] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Nice. :D
[02:24] <blhack> how many GB do I need? for upgrade my ubuntu
[02:24] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: not amazing - it's not good to throw errors up if they don't mean anything
[02:24] <daftykins> depends on your install
[02:25] <cluelesscoder> VictoriaXOXO: the SqashFS error doesn't seem to be much of a thing on other distros from what I can tell
[02:25] <daftykins> yes it is, common issue when images are corrupt or a boot issue occurs
[02:25] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: I'm lucky when it comes to that error. I've never seen it.
[02:25] <monsune> cluelesscoder talk about errors that don't mean anything... Method 'GET /nodes/ns458292/qemu/103/pending' not implemented (501)
[02:25] <monsune> i spent 12 hrs on this already
[02:26] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: Same. I think it is his hardware.
[02:26] <Acerio> monsune: heh
[02:26] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: yep, my Macbook and my brother's Toshiba...
[02:26] <monsune> wish there was some cool proxmox dude around to help
[02:26] <VictoriaXOXO> cluelesscoder: Would it REALLY surprise you?
[02:27] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: It could be: bad memory modules, a bad dvd drive, bad data cable, bad media, or a corrupted image.
[02:28] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: probably corrupted image, do a md5 checksum, and if they do not match, redownload. But to save time, just redownload.
[02:28] <cluelesscoder> the sad thing is that I was running Ubuntu LiveCDs painlessly in like 2007
[02:28] <cluelesscoder> showed it off to lots of friends and stuff
[02:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: He did a md5 checksum, but not sha1.
[02:28] <monsune> cluelesscoder and i still remember RedHat 3.0 on 4 CDs :)
[02:28] <Acerio> VictoraXOXO: Did it match?
[02:29] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: I hope so. XD
[02:29] <watUbuntu> I'm on ubuntu on my main disk now. other disks are formatted. if i want to put windows on other disk, how do I dual boot?
[02:29] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: again, everything you're trumpeting today is a bunch of sensational rubbish... i was giving help back then and plenty of people had the error due to corrupt downloads. so please... move on and stop spreading FUD.
[02:29] <monsune> i had those nifty, shiny black CDRs for it :)
[02:29] <watUbuntu> all tutorials keep saying i need to have windows before
[02:30] <VictoriaXOXO> watUbuntu: Do you want the Windows part because of Adobe products and games?
[02:30] <watUbuntu> yes
[02:30] <daftykins> watUbuntu: you could disconnect your ubuntu disk, install to the other, reconnect and boot ubuntu- then run "sudo update-grub"
[02:30] <VictoriaXOXO> watUbuntu: Oh...
[02:30] <monsune> watUbuntu get OSX for adobe part...
[02:30] <noah> Install Windows to the partition, then run 'sudo update-grub' to add it to your GRUB menu.
[02:30] <watUbuntu> I will try wine 1st
[02:30] <monsune> watUbuntu or try proxmox
[02:31] <VictoriaXOXO> watUbuntu: Don't. Wine works like shiet with Adobe products (the ones I've tried).
[02:31] <daftykins> !language
[02:31] <watUbuntu> thank you
[02:31] <monsune> watUbuntu just go with ubuntu and install winbox with qemu
[02:31] <ron__> im about to buy an ssd and want to move root to the ssd and leave home directory on current HDD. Any ideas on how I can accomplish this?
[02:31] <cluelesscoder> daftykins: well, it's pretty hard for me to spread Linux if the easiest distribution doesn't work properly in Virtualbox and the common suggestion is to use a CD
[02:32] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: No, just get another ISO! Redownload it!
[02:32] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: it's running for me
[02:32] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Just delete the VM, delete your current ISO. Download the same ISO, and do it again!
[02:32] <noah> You should look into editing the fstab
[02:32] <daftykins> cluelesscoder: well it wouldn't fit on a CD anyway, but like i told you - we haven't had anyone else complaining of what you have - so please stop flogging this dead horse and move on. no more FUD.
[02:33] <cluelesscoder> Acerio: the only problem now is that it is super-laggy for my brother, but oh well
[02:33] <monsune> i like the part about dead horse most :)
[02:33] <Acerio> daftykins: An Ubuntu install disk would fit on a CD dude. :P
[02:33] <Acerio> cluelesscoder: Probably incompatible CPU for VM. But it is still running. VirtualBox is not the best way to run an OS.
[02:33] <daftykins> Acerio: no, they are 1.1GB if you look up at 15.10 - i suspect you're thinking a DVD is still a CD.
[02:33] <monsune> virtualbox is actually, uh, crap.
[02:33] <hggdh> Acerio: an ubuntu *ISO* does not fit in a CD
[02:33] <Acerio> daftykins: Oh, that's right. heh
[02:33] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[02:33] <Acerio> I was thinking of DVD. whoopsies.
[02:34] <monsune> virtualbox indeed fails alot depending on hw it is running on so the issue isn't probably related to linux at all
[02:34] <Acerio> I only run VM's for testing purposes.
[02:34] <monsune> please do it right and use qemu :)
[02:35] <daftykins> i 100% disagree with that statement monsune
[02:35] <Acerio> daftykins: Actually, Ubuntu CAN fit on a CD. The Minimal build :)
[02:35] <monsune> daftykins i could understand 50% but 100%?
[02:35] <daftykins> Acerio: funny how the answer changes when you caveat the comment, huh?
[02:36] <Acerio> daftykins: huh?
[02:36] <monsune> daftykins qemu is much better... especially when you use virtio
[02:36] <monsune> unless you don't care about the i/o in vm
[02:36] <daftykins> i don't care for your opinion
[02:36] <monsune> mine?
[02:36] <VictoriaXOXO> Wow. daftykins is on fire tonight.
[02:36] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: as mentioned, keep your chat comments to yourself thanks, they're off topic.
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[02:37] <Acerio> daftykins: I just generally swap CD and DVD without noticing, as if they meant the same thing. Of course, they are different, but it is a common mistake, and besides, Ubuntu can fit on a CD. But ONLY Ubuntu. Not it's desktop environment, built-in programs, etc. etc. (ie minimal build)
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> And I'm the one that needs to be told to be polite. Okaaaaaay.
[02:37]  * monsune goes to sit in the corner.
[02:37] <daftykins> Acerio: there's no need for us to go over the point for another 30 minutes.
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> monsune: Here! Catch!  I have been using windows since i first time heard for pcs, now after using windows more than 20 years i want to use linux. I have been using linux for 2 years as dual boot, i am still new with linux.  I tried all possible distros (well about 15 :) ). The only think that is keeping me on windows is ms office, i rly need it and must use it for my college. Is there a way to install it and run it properly.
[02:38] <VictoriaXOXO> Acerio: He can be very helpful, but at the same time very douchey.
[02:38] <daftykins> Acerio: i don't think you know what you're saying.
[02:38] <Acerio> logglog: OpenOffice? Google Docs?
[02:38] <monsune> logglog and when was that first time exactly?
[02:38] <Acerio> VictoriaXOXO: I like him.  I know exactly what I said.  It's gone now.
[02:45] <daftykins> of course, if someone halted rather than reboot/shutdown - that'd still be displayed most likely *cough*
[02:45] <VictoriaXOXO> I fixed it.
[02:45] <UbuN2> i see .
[02:45] <daftykins> no, you worked around it by removing stuff
[02:45] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: I didn't remove anything.
[02:45]  * UbuN2 chews his gum and cracks on his Os
[02:45] <daftykins> that's nice
[02:46] <daftykins> anyway learning to read and make use of logs is a big part of Linux usage.
[02:46] <Acerio> ^
[02:46] <UbuN2> yep
[02:47] <Acerio> very important, especially with server management.
[02:47] <UbuN2> reading can make solving problems easier
[02:47] <monsune> that's why you don't use desktop first of all :)
[02:47] <Acerio> Mhmm. It is like a puzzle, and can lead you where the problem is, and sometimes tell you how to fix it.
[02:48] <UbuN2> agreed.
[02:48]  * UbuN2 idles abit with eyes on chat
[02:48] <monsune> when there is just you and the console... your brain works faster.
[02:49] <daftykins> as i said earlier, if you want to chat you can do so freely in #ubuntu-offtopic - but keep this channel to the support only please
[02:49] <Acerio> monsune: With server managment, and basically every professional server management I've ever worked with, they always keep it CLI.
[02:49] <Acerio> Having a server use a GUI isn't a good idea.
[02:50] <UbuN2> i shouldlve rephrase chat to help sorry lol
[02:50] <monsune> Acerio and that's me, too :)
[02:51] <Acerio> monsune: I can tell you all about my servers, or servers I've worked with for work, in the offtopic channel :P
[02:51] <daftykins> yes, stop enabling one another and move please...
[02:51] <monsune> sure Acerio
[02:55] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Smooth scrolling uses XInput2 events. "xev is outdated in case of XInput2 events". use "xinput --test-xi2 <id>" to see vertical and horizontal scroll events with vectors
[02:55] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/138546/smooth-scrolling-where-does-it-come-from
[03:01] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: reading.
[03:02] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: Maybe there is something wrong with GTK 3 libs.
[03:03] <ke4nhw> Hi, I just ran the ubuntu server setup, and nowhere during the setup did it allow me to set the root password. I am trying to get root logged in to get the password set to something secure. What is the default root password?
[03:03] <Acerio> ke4nhw: type "passwd"
[03:04] <Acerio> ke4nhw: or are you not at a command line?
[03:04] <ke4nhw> cli, at login screen for tty1
[03:04] <ke4nhw> now logged in for regular user
[03:05] <ke4nhw> I can change my passwd, which is not root passwd
[03:06] <daftykins> ke4nhw: we don't use the root account on ubuntu, it goes against the design of the distro.
[03:06] <ke4nhw> And one thing is for sure, I cannot allow a system to run that I don't control the root password. I'll have to delete the entire system and full wipe the hdd. Too much risk having an uncontrolled root pwd
[03:06] <AlexQ> BTW. Is Ubuntu 15.10 serving GTK2 or GTK3 version of Firefox?
[03:06] <daftykins> !root
[03:07] <Acerio> What ubottu said. Use "sudo" to type your user password. :)
[03:07] <ke4nhw> So will sudo allow you access to ALL functions, commands, and capabilities of root?
[03:07] <daftykins> ke4nhw: that's ridiculous; it's greater security. you use "sudo -i" if you want to switch properly to root@host for a set time
[03:07] <daftykins> otherwise just prefix commands with 'sudo'
[03:08] <ke4nhw> And again the problem exists that now there is a root password to the server that someone, not me, knows. Whether it's the developer or whoever, it is not someone that has server authorization.
[03:08] <daftykins> no there isn't a root password at all
[03:08] <pyios> how to check status of svn server?
[03:08] <pyios> how to check status of svn ?
[03:09] <daftykins> ke4nhw: what do you mean exactly? only the first user you created is a member of the sudo/admin group and so can use 'sudo'; that's how it works
[03:09] <daftykins> so in essence the password for that first user is the one that gives access :)
[03:10] <daftykins> ke4nhw: btw i hope you picked a long term support server release when you installed, i.e. 14.04 - 15.04 and 15.10 are only supported for a short time so must be upgraded from more often
[03:10] <Bashing-om> AlexQ: Remember, a driver is that interface between the hardware and the kernel . What we are looking for is that translation point . presently I am totally lost at where that point is .
[03:10] <ke4nhw> Wait a minute, root has no passwword? That makes no sense. I've never, and I mean never, dealt with an OS where root has no password and is completely inaccessible. If root had no password it would log in with no auth check. So Unbuntu has been coded in a way that makes it appear that root has a password, but there is no password, and the nonexistent password can't be guess for a user that
[03:10] <ke4nhw> exists but doesn't? Please tell me how that makes any sense in a *.nix environment
[03:11] <ke4nhw> I did, I got the LTS for that very reason
[03:12] <daftykins> it actually makes a lot of sense, since root can't be bruteforced this way
[03:12] <AlexQ> Bashing-om: The point is that these GTK3 apps are handling BOTH legacy button events (something like mouse-wheel-step-up and mouse-wheel-step-down, coded as button numbers) and newer XInput2 scroll vector events, which causes crazy behaviour.
[03:12] <daftykins> ke4nhw: good call on the LTS, just checking.
[03:13] <daftykins> ke4nhw: you know, even on a VPS where i was given a root password i disabled root SSH login, created an account and enabled sudo usage... it's safer.
[03:13] <ke4nhw> I didn't want to reinstall in a few months to a year, so I took LTS. And I can see the point that root can't be bruteforced this way, unless root actually does have a password that exists outside the knowledge of anyone but the developers. Then brute force isn't even necessary.
[03:13] <daftykins> ke4nhw: if you're new to ubuntu but used to other distributions, i can understand it might be frustrating to have change - but there's nothing wrong with it.
[03:13] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: Basically you can't log in to root until you set a password with sudo.
[03:14] <daftykins> AlexQ: we don't advise breaking the core design principles :)
[03:14] <AlexQ> daftykins: I know, I am just explaining how that is achieved technically.
[03:15] <daftykins> then you should include a warning when you give such advice :)
[03:15] <ke4nhw> Yes, it's precisely the same thing I do, I make all logins as a standard user with sudo privs, and root can ONLY login via a local tty. But, even if root is only used once a year for major maintenance, or even never, the primary user, the god user of the system, and his password, is firmly and completely under the control of the server owner, rather than out in limbo. I've dealt with dozens of
[03:15] <ke4nhw> servers in Linux, and my primary view was this: <cont>
[03:16] <daftykins> well you can violate this design if you really want, but i personally wouldn't
[03:17] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: You need to understand that it is a physical impossibility to log in as root on a fresh Ubuntu install. You might think of it as if the password record was 'corrupted', I mean as if there was no password possible that would match that password record. daftykins, how is that *technically* achieved?
[03:17] <daftykins> no idea how it's implemented
[03:17] <ke4nhw> If I'm putting my private and secure data on the server, and I'm going to maintain it, and I'm going to be responsible for it, then I will be the ONLY person alive with root access, with contingency plans well place and highly secured, but if I'm given a fully running server without root's password, it gets vaporized, completely, and started from scratch. Regardless of what was there to start
[03:17] <ke4nhw> with.
[03:17] <ke4nhw> Too much risk
[03:17] <Tashtari> The root password is not in limbo, though.  Someone who knows more about this than I can correct me if I'm wrong, but the system maintains hashed passwords for each user, so when someone tries to log in, the system hashes the password and sees if it matches the hash for the username they logged in with - and root's password is set to a value that the hashing function cannot produce.
[03:18] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: Open /etc/shadow and look at the root password record.
[03:18] <daftykins> i think that's too paranoid a viewpoint on this matter.
[03:18] <ke4nhw> paranoid is bad how?
[03:18] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: Instead of a root password hash you have a '!' character there
[03:18] <nbrecht01> are you trying to login as root?
[03:18] <ke4nhw> Not now
[03:18] <daftykins> ke4nhw: well you're essentially saying an entire distro that's been going for years could have a core flaw nobody has noticed...
[03:19] <ke4nhw> I only tried it once to set a new root password that I and only I know, then I'd logout and login as my reg user
[03:19] <daftykins> ke4nhw: anyway, if *you personally* have a problem with it, just change it? i don't see the reason to grind an axe over it.
[03:19] <SupaYoshi> hey guys, i need some serious backup / image advice regarding my ubuntu server box.
[03:19] <ke4nhw> Same thing I do on any install, unless I set root password during the install
[03:19] <AlexQ> ke4nhw: No password string, after hashing (with whatever hashing algo) will result in a "!" string.
[03:19] <SupaYoshi> I have been reading about making a backup of my installation, i made earlier backups by hand with clonezilla.
[03:20] <SupaYoshi> But i've been reading about a way to make rsync, do a backup of my entire os disk.
[03:20] <nbrecht01> run 'sudo passwd root' and follow the prompts. Then, run 'su -' and input the recently set password.
[03:20] <SupaYoshi> However, I am quite unsure what to do, because i have an LVM settup.
[03:21] <SupaYoshi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13434445/
[03:21] <SupaYoshi> =  /dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root is my os partition.
[03:22] <ke4nhw> Thank you, and it's not that I'm grinding an axe, it's just that different people have different standards. Mine exists on a paranoid level
[03:22] <SupaYoshi> how would i make the best backup of this? rsync?
[03:22] <daftykins> SupaYoshi: i'd carry on as you are
[03:23] <daftykins> rsync isn't for disk wide backups imo
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> daftykins, what do you mean?
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> okay fair enough.
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> But I'd rather automatize the backup of the os installation.
[03:23] <SupaYoshi> because i cannot be bothered creating a new backup manually tbh, like anyone else.
[03:24] <daftykins> find yourself an rsync script and focus on just data, then i'd say
[03:24] <SupaYoshi> okay. but the grub loader and all that.
[03:24] <ke4nhw> It's not uncommon, and I once lost data over it, since the previous owner of the server, the person who was teaching me Linux and helping me manage a file server, refused to give me sudo access high enough to change root pw, allow me to change it, or give it up, even after he turned the whole thing over to me lock stock and barrel. He said he wanted to maintain root access "for nostalgia
[03:24] <ke4nhw> reasons". Boot Knoppix, enter multiple passes of dd
[03:25] <SupaYoshi> I cannot backup that by rsync of course.
[03:25] <SupaYoshi> so clonezilla is my best way to do it then you'd say.
[03:25] <ke4nhw> Very simply, I was about to start storing tax returns, bank statement archives, and other very sensitive data on it. I didn't want him having any access, period.
[03:25] <SupaYoshi> but for clonezilla my system needs to be offline and boot from a livecd correct?
[03:26] <daftykins> SupaYoshi: so consider using rsync for data more regularly, but a full disk image less regularly - if you insist on having one.
[03:26] <ke4nhw> But thanks for helping me figure that out. I've got root password changed, and still logged in as the base user. Again, the way I deal with management most of the time.
[03:26] <daftykins> i'm not so sure on the efficacy of having a disk image created from within the running OS
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> daftykins, cool.
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> I have data backups already of course.
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> cool. :)
[03:26] <SupaYoshi> thanks.
[03:26] <daftykins> but you need to update them, surely
[03:27] <daftykins> ke4nhw: *nod* fair enough
[03:27] <ke4nhw> Only rarely do I do root work on a tty, and only when the amount of time spent id'ing sudo would add unnecessarily to the work. And then only extremely carefully
[03:27] <ke4nhw> Again, maybe once or twice a year, on a busy year
[03:27] <nbrecht01> If you REALLY wanted to use rsync to do backups, you could set it up with cron to run every once and a while. (eg. Once a week)
[03:27] <ke4nhw> Most of the time, a few commands are easy enough to string together, script, and then auth
[03:28] <ke4nhw> on the rsync issue, it works very well with cron in that fashion
[03:28] <ke4nhw> it's excellent for backups, and it's even good for pushing images to multiple other servers (mirrors) if you script it and cron the script
[03:29] <ke4nhw> Kind of a hack, but can work in a pinch
[03:30] <ke4nhw> I am configuring that same setup to push radio configuration data files to multiple remote sites to prevent the need to actually visit those sites to run radio programming.
[03:31] <daftykins> i think what was being asked was whether rsync was appropriate for full disk imaging backups though
[03:31] <jjls> hi. why should I use ubuntu as opposed to other distros?
[03:32] <nbrecht01> You might want to pipe the output of 'rsync' int 'tar' to archive it. (If you can do that)
[03:33] <daftykins> jjls: you try it and you like it... not for us to tell you otherwise.
[03:33] <shuaizi> my computer has met a problem,the screen is flickering when i login with desktop environment,anyone can help me?
[03:33] <nbrecht01> Reasons to use ubuntu: 1) Large Software Base, 2) Large Support Base, and 3) We have this IRC site to talk about it ;)
[03:34] <AlexQ> How can I purge & reinstall the entire GTK suite?
[03:34] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Is your screen refresh rate set correctly?
[03:34] <AlexQ> And preferably Xfce Windows manager
[03:35] <shuaizi> yes
[03:35] <nbrecht01> AlexQ: 'sudo apt-get purge gtk*'. Why do you want to?
[03:36] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Do you have the color mode at the higets setting?
[03:36] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Do you have the color mode at the highest setting?
[03:44] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Does the screen flicker if you switch to a different TTY? (Ctl+Alt+F2)
[03:52] <kernelhack> what happened in here?
[03:55] <nbrecht01> shuaizi: Anything on that screen issue?
[03:56] <VictoriaXOXO> nitish: TJ-: Nothing even REMOTELY close to Premiere Pro.
[03:56] <nitish> TJ-: for example?
[03:56] <VictoriaXOXO> nitish: kdenlive, but it's ****.
[03:56] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: nothing that costs that much either
[03:56] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: XD
[03:57] <nitish> VictoriaX0X0: what is meaning of *****?
[03:57] <VictoriaXOXO> nitish: A bad word that starts with s and ends with hit. :P
[03:58] <TJ-> nitish: There are a lot of NLEs from the open-source community, it's a long while since I coded for them I can't even recall the name of the one I contributed most to!
[04:00] <ke4nhw> Well that was fun
[04:00] <TJ-> oh, OpenShot. There's also a Linux port of Lightworks. Blender is very good too, although targeted at 3D rendering mostly
[04:00] <SupaYoshi> nbrecht01 and ke4nhw, can you give me an example of an rsync image backup?
[04:00] <SupaYoshi> and does it do grub too?
[04:00] <TJ-> nitish: there's a good summary of the state of NLEs here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/non-linear-video-editing-software-open-source-alternatives-to-abobe-premiere-pro-cc/
[04:00] <SupaYoshi> and mbr?
[04:00] <nbrecht01> Hmmm.. What do you mean?
[04:01] <nitish> TJ-: Thanks for the link.
[04:01] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: rsync does not, cannot, 'do' disk image backup, it only handles files in a file-system
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> well, i want to make an image / full system backup of my os
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> okay.
[04:01] <ke4nhw> not sure about the mbr I don't think so. It deals with the files. That would be an image
[04:01] <ke4nhw> You'd have to image the whole disk to get the mbr if I'm not mistaken
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> i want a os backup that i can restore in case my os hdd crashses
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> and that be me.
[04:01] <SupaYoshi> should i just use clonezilla?
[04:02] <ke4nhw> I'd either use clonezilla or dd
[04:02] <SupaYoshi> dd?
[04:02] <ke4nhw> dd it to an iso, then you can restore from an iso to a full image
[04:02] <ke4nhw> man dd
[04:02] <SupaYoshi> can that run as a crontab
[04:02] <ke4nhw> and use it carefully
[04:02] <nbrecht01> If you want an ISO of your ENTIRE FILESYSTEM, run 'dd if=/dev/xxx of=muosbackup.iso', replacing xxx with your disk
[04:02] <SupaYoshi> and without rebooting?
[04:02] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: clonezilla will take a compressed back-up if I understand it correctly, whereas plain 'dd' won't 'compress' sparse blocks
[04:02] <ke4nhw> I'd script it but ues
[04:02] <ke4nhw> true
[04:02] <TJ-> nbrecht01: that isn't an ISO!
[04:03] <ke4nhw> dd is a perfectly 1:1 image
[04:03] <nbrecht01> You should probably do that from a LiveCD or something so you can unmount your OS disk first. (SOme files may be open, they will not be bakced up)
[04:03] <SupaYoshi> okay.
[04:03] <SupaYoshi> i see.
[04:04] <SupaYoshi> but if i have to shutdown anyway
[04:04] <SupaYoshi> clonezilla is easy enough
[04:04] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: it's possible to tell 'dd' to recognise sparse blocks, but it won't always give any benefit
[04:04] <ke4nhw> You can dd from one /dev to another, from one /dev to a file (like an .iso), or even use it to wipe a hdd. It's a powerful tool, and a dangerous one
[04:04] <nbrecht01> Do not forget to use 'sudo', you need it to back up system files.
[04:04] <ke4nhw> Another problem with dd:
[04:05] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: if you want to image a live system, best way is to have the installed system using LVM, and take an LVM snapshot of the OS root file-system and then image that, rather than the live root file-system
[04:05] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: No more up to date articles like that one?
[04:05] <nitish> how can I install lightworks?
[04:05] <TJ-> ke4nhw: you can use 'cp' to wipe a disk - 'dd' isn't any more dangerous. The danger comes from users not understanding the tool before they start using it
[04:05] <SupaYoshi> TJ- i think i have that? http://pastebin.com/vbPTDtmw
[04:06] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: btrfs supports file system images, doesn't it?
[04:06] <ke4nhw> If you image a hdd with bad sectors it could pick them up, or with corrupted data it'll record it faithfully. Or if you image a good hdd and then later restore the image to a hdd with bad sectors it will find itself trying to deal with that problem. Again, it is a 1:1 including blank space or sparse sectors.
[04:07] <nbrecht01> If you just want to back up your home dir or something, just use 'cp' to copy it. only use 'dd' isf you are copying something with a boot sector or something that will not show up as a file.
[04:07] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: yes, but there are still bugs being worked out of it especially with compression and cloning so its not widely used as yet
[04:07] <ke4nhw> And yes, cp is just as dangerous, but it's best someone know that once you start a dd, if you didn't pay attention to the order of if= of= then it could get ugly
[04:07] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: quite true
[04:08] <TJ-> ke4nhw: right, but my point is "sodu cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" is no more unsafe and easy to do
[04:08] <nitish> Any racing game for ubuntu?
[04:08] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, i think i have LVM system when i installed it back in 2013.
[04:08] <SupaYoshi> do i? http://pastebin.com/vbPTDtmw?
[04:08] <TJ-> ke4nhw: note the intentional mispelling :)
[04:09] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: does cp even work like that?
[04:09] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: yes, it seems you do, so a snapshot of the HOMESRV/vg-root LV would allow you to image it
[04:09] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: of course
[04:09] <nbrecht01> Yes, it does. (Everything is a File)
[04:09] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: 'cp' takes any 'file' like entity, and /dev/sdX is a file as far as the kernel is concerned
[04:10] <ke4nhw> Which is back to root. I'll be the first to tell you that if a regular has full admin rights through sudo, they can do just as much damage as root, albeit a bit slower as they'll have to authenticate to do the damage. I can see the point of keeping inexperienced users away from root, and protecting root from bulldozing, but the admin users have the same power as root, unless the sudoer file
[04:10] <ke4nhw> has been sufficiently edited (which can only be done by root).
[04:10] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: EVERYTHING IS A FILE
[04:10] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: no, it isn't
[04:10] <TJ-> some things *look* like files though :)
[04:10] <LambdaComplex> okay, everything exists on the file system
[04:10] <LambdaComplex> better? >.>
[04:10] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: No more up to date articles like that one?
[04:11] <TJ-> LambdaComplex: that's better :D ... the difference is *some* 'files' don't support file operations such as 'seek'
[04:11] <SupaYoshi> TJ- nbrecht01, thanks!
[04:11] <ke4nhw> true, everything is represented as a "file" in the filesystem, but not everything is a true file
[04:11] <nbrecht01> The Linux kernel treats EVERYTHING as a file. Even your network card is a file a far as Linux is concerned!
[04:11] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: I don't know; use your favorite search engine. March 2014 is pretty recent in terms of the development speed of NLEs though
[04:11] <SupaYoshi> so. running that command you passed there earlier is a good way?
[04:12] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I'm not finding anything. :(
[04:12] <LambdaComplex> TJ-: I should write a script to grab lines from /dev/urandom and /dev/js0 to make it even more random
[04:12] <ryao-phone> I do not think the Nic is considered a file.
[04:12] <ryao-phone> At least, I do not know what it would be in /dev.
[04:12] <nitish> Problem in confuiguring cyberoam in ubutnu?
[04:12] <TJ-> ryao-phone: nbrecht01 ^^^ correct
[04:12] <SupaYoshi> dd if=/dev/xxx of=muosbackup.iso
[04:12] <nitish> how to use cyberoam in ubuntu?
[04:13] <nbrecht01> The hardware is nao a file, but look in /dev. The Kernel communicates with it through a device 'file'
[04:13] <ke4nhw> the NIC isn't a file, but it is represented as a file. Even the contents of the running memory is represented as a file
[04:13] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: why are you setting the target filename to <something>.iso ? You're not writing an ISO9660 file-system, which is what .iso implies
[04:13] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, nbrecht01, would dd if=/dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root of=muosbackup.iso
[04:13] <SupaYoshi> do?
[04:13] <ke4nhw> he's right, it's how the kernel operates.
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, because that was your example.
[04:14] <TJ-> nbrecht01: actually, no, the kernel uses socket operations only for network devices, there's no access via /dev/ or /sysfs/
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> i should just use .img?
[04:14] <ke4nhw> Your entire cdrom is not a file, it is a device. But there it is in the /dev directory
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, nbrecht01, would dd if=/dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root of=muosbackup.img
[04:14] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: oh, sorry! *slaps self*
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> lol its fine.
[04:14] <SupaYoshi> so is that a yes?
[04:15] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: yes, but 'dd' by default only reads in blocks fo 512 bytes so that would take a long while. Add the option "bs=100M" to use 100MB blocks, I sometimes use "bs=1G" when there's plenty of RAM
[04:15] <nbrecht01> Yes, if you wanted an backup image of /dev/mapper/HOMESERV--vg-root. Just make sure that 1) You have enough disk space, and 2) you have super user pirvleges.
[04:15] <SupaYoshi> cool!
[04:15] <ke4nhw> It doesn't become files until the partitions are mounted, and the actual data of the disk is made available, as files. This is why you can't browse a /dev/sda but you have to mount it first to a mount point, which makes the contents of that device available as a readable filesystem.
[04:16] <SupaYoshi> so risks in backing up a live system?
[04:16] <nbrecht01> You can restore an ISO with Disk Image Writer
[04:16] <nbrecht01> No, just that some files WILL NOT be backed up
[04:16] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: as I said, take an LV snapshot and use that as the source (if=) for dd, then delete the snapshot
[04:17] <ke4nhw> I'd recommend performing this action of backup while booted from a Live OS, so that all partitions of the hdd to be imaged are unmounted
[04:17] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, cool. so does, dd if=/dev/mapper/HOMESRV--vg-root of=muosbackup.img
[04:17] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lvm
[04:17] <SupaYoshi> make a snapshot?
[04:18] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: no, you need to use "lvcreate -s ..." to create a snapshot. See that page for both overview and specific examples of doing it
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> okay. if i need to use a live cd, i do not see the advantages over using clonezilla
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> okay.
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> and i make a backup of that snapshot
[04:18] <ke4nhw> similar concepts
[04:18] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: as long as you create snapshots and copy those, you'll be fine
[04:18] <SupaYoshi> and that snapshot can be restored to another ssd / hdd. if my hdd /sdd fails?
[04:18] <ke4nhw> clonezills is a live cd
[04:19] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: a snapshot is a 'freeze' of the file-system at a point in time
[04:19] <SupaYoshi> ke4nhw, yes. ^ and easy. why use dd and snapshots if you have clonezilla
[04:19] <SupaYoshi> yeah i know i work with vms. i didnt know it was possible to take a snapshot of an actual system though
[04:19] <ke4nhw> It's just another flavor of Linux. Maybe your experience will be better than mine, but I've always had bad results with clonezilla
[04:20] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: LV snapshots is how decent Linux systems provide an easy roll-back facility for upgrades and the like
[04:20] <ke4nhw> especially with the mbr
[04:20] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, cool.
[04:20] <ke4nhw> Hence I've always used dd when I need an image that comprehensive as to provide a complete rollback of the drive state.
[04:21] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: if you're going to want to back-up the boot-loader then you'll need to do additional, separate, steps too.
[04:21] <ke4nhw> Are you doing this with a physical host or are you working with a VM?
[04:21] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, thanks, I know enough, periodic backups with clonezilla is good enough for me than.
[04:21] <SupaYoshi> Easy too :)
[04:21] <Acerio> How do I get my OpenPGP fingerprint in 15.10? I am only familiar with earlier versions.
[04:21] <ke4nhw> A dumb question maybe but I run both
[04:21] <ke4nhw> and several of each
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> another question, i am currently on 12.04 LTS.
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> I am thinking to upgraed to 14.04 LTS
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> what do I loose if i upgrade?
[04:22] <SupaYoshi> installed software wise, and so?
[04:22] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: the partitioning scheme (MSDOS or GPT), the boot style (BIOS, UEFI, Coreboot),  where GRUB has put its core.img, all those mean different actions are needed to save the boot config so as to have a bootable backup
[04:23] <TJ-> Acerio: same as earlier versions; 'gpg'
[04:23] <SupaYoshi> TJ-, yeah that is why i like clonezilla. I just looked for clonezilla that would likely be online
[04:23] <SupaYoshi> hehe
[04:23] <SupaYoshi> are there risks upgrading to 14.04?
[04:24] <ryao-phone> The short answer is yes
[04:24] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: if you've got system config customisations, those might confuse the upgrade scripts and require manual intervention. There may be a few packages that are no longer in the archives but that's unusual except for unmaintained stuff
[04:25] <hch> i have for first thing in my life get license for my own OS, which is ubuntu xfce4 with apache4 and mysql. I have it inc
[04:25] <ryao-phone> If the filesystem is corrupt, you upgrading will make a bad situation worse.
[04:26] <hch> where can i get a gui?
[04:26] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: the point of LTS<>LTS upgrades being supported is, the package .preinst .postinst scripts have been manually coded to handle any differences between the 12.04 and 14.04 package configurations, so for the most part it should work. Any changes requiring your later action will be reported to you, so don't ignore them
[04:26] <TSS> sudo apt-get intsall xfce
[04:26] <TSS> or sudo apt-get install gnome3
[04:27] <hch> but it a db now....
[04:27] <hch> sorry try now
[04:27] <TJ-> hch: 'ubuntu xfce4' - do you mean Xubuntu ?
[04:27] <TSS> are you just looking for a gui?
[04:27] <hch> yes xubuntu
[04:27] <lol> hi
[04:27] <TSS> what os do you have?
[04:27] <TJ-> hch: the 'GUI' is automatically installed and started when the system boots
[04:28] <Acerio> I still cannot figure out how to get a PGP key. With older versions of Ubuntu, it was MUCH easier
[04:28] <hch> it becasue i build in gigolo db
[04:29] <TSS> Sorry what? Are you saying you compiled your own OS?
[04:29] <TJ-> hch: hmmm, do you mean to ask for a GUI to manage the apache and mysql services?
[04:29] <hch> yes compile
[04:30] <ryao-phone> TSS: I do. :/
[04:30] <hch> i build that, and startet root with a db os, ive compile now
[04:30] <TSS> there are no gui's for apache or MySQL that I know of
[04:30] <Pinkamena_D> I have a laptop with currently 1 ssd with 1 primary windows partition and 1 extended partition with ubuntu. Works good with grub.  I am installing an MSATA which I plan to move the windows partition to, and give more room for the ubuntu partition. Can I use grub to boot to the second drive, or must I use the bios to choose?
[04:30] <Acerio> Nevermind, I'll use command line.
[04:30] <ryao-phone> TSS: PHPMyAdmin
[04:31] <ryao-phone> TSS: CPanel
[04:31] <TJ-> hch: I'm afraid your question is not making much sense. Ubuntu doesn't require any compiling by users, the packages are all pre-compiled and linked binaries installed by the package manager, 'apt'.
[04:31] <hch> I list in c:\ then build a newone and get license, how do i buils that then?
[04:31] <ryao-phone> Are we being trolled?
[04:32] <inteus> lol
[04:32] <TJ-> hch: Whatever it is you're doing, it's clearly not an Ubuntu issue, and we only support Ubuntu issues here. Maybe they do things differently in Greenland?
[04:32] <hch> i think you are newbie...no because i have build it to a new linux without apache now.....
[04:33] <ryao-phone> what is "gigolo dub"?
[04:34] <ryao-phone> s/dub/db/
[04:34] <TSS> try ##linux
[04:34] <TJ-> ryao-phone: a promiscuous database maybe? :D
[04:34] <inteus> google doesn't come up with 'gigolo db'
[04:34] <hch> im inside linux yes
[04:35] <TJ-> hch: We only support Ubuntu issues here; anything else, please try other channels
[04:35] <TSS> type /join linux## and ask you question there
[04:35] <hch> TJ no its a ubuntu....
[04:35] <hch> TJ no its a ubuntu.... with a xfce4
[04:35] <TJ-> hch: you said you compiled something yourself. We don't support user-compiled code
[04:35] <TSS> The what is the problem?
[04:36] <tachyondecay> TJ-: Hey, I switched my SSD to AHCI mode and successfully installed Ubuntu alongside Windows without breaking Windows. Thanks for your help on Thursday and today!
[04:36] <ryao-phone> TJ-: Why do the repositories have GCC then?
[04:36] <hch> ooh my good, its because i will build another OS now with ubuntu linux kernel
[04:36] <TJ-> tachyondecay: Hey! That's fantastic to know. I'm sure we'll get other users with the same issue, I'll be sure to remember your experience
[04:37] <hch> i have something about a new os to start with
[04:38] <tachyondecay> TJ-: That topic on the forums was invaluable. I posted my particular experience there as well.
[04:38] <hch> someone told about after compile then?????
[04:38] <easyOnMe> hello
[04:38] <ryao-phone> hch: Google Linux From Scratch
[04:39] <inteus> hch: I'm not sure what you're asking. Maybe there's a language barrier here.
[04:39] <ryao-phone> I think that is what you want.
[04:39] <hch> i have seen it
[04:39] <easyOnMe> I have google chromium installed on my ubuntu as google chrome can not be installed on ubuntu
[04:39] <ryao-phone> Why can you not install chrome?
[04:39] <inteus> easyOnMe: Google Chrome can be installed on ubuntu
[04:39] <easyOnMe> how can I get the path where the chromium.sh is found
[04:39] <hch> you build me os then translate
[04:39] <easyOnMe> inteus: does it run well just like chromium
[04:40] <TJ-> ryao-phone: User's are free to do anything they want; but we cannot offer support for compiling specific projects, support here is for the standard Ubuntu installation and configuration
[04:40] <inteus> easyOnMe: chromium is just the open source version of chrome
[04:40] <hch> kipit
[04:40] <ryao-phone> TJ-: I assume that hello works builds are supported, right?
[04:40] <ryao-phone> Ugh... Autocorrect strikes again
[04:40] <TJ-> LOL *puzzled*
[04:41] <ryao-phone> s/works/world/
[04:41] <inteus> easyOnMe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/510056/how-to-install-google-chrome
[04:42] <SupaYoshi> okay making my backup now :) hehe
[04:42] <TJ-> ryao-phone: no, but depending on which helpers are around and how they're feeling they might choose to help out, but at that level the help needed is probably more on-topic in ##programming
[04:42] <easyOnMe> another thing is where do I get to see the php interpreter in my ubuntu laptop after I install it
[04:42] <easyOnMe> can anyone please help me
[04:43] <TJ-> easyOnMe: the command-line interpreter? something like "which php5" should help
[04:43] <easyOnMe> TJ-: have you use php before
[04:43] <easyOnMe> how can I upgrade my php5.6 to php7
[04:43] <TJ-> easyOnMe: Only when a gun is held to my head
[04:43] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How do I go back from "(END)" in the terminal?
[04:43] <ryao-phone> TJ-: The Ubuntu community never ceases to amaze me in how limited its community support in IRC is. I am used to other distributions helping with the basics of things like compiling
[04:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: are you in the 'less' pager?
[04:44] <easyOnMe> TJ-: what the lol
[04:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: press 'q'
[04:44] <easyOnMe> has anyone tried using php7 here
[04:44] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: That worked! :D
[04:44] <ryao-phone> Anyway, I am beyond needing help with such things. :)
[04:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: to save yourself grief later: "man less"
[04:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: What do I do now? "Configuration file '/etc/issue'" "Configuration file '/etc/issue'==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:"
[04:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I've never seen that message before and now I'm scared.
[04:45] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: look at the 'diff' decide if you need to keep your local version, or can accept the new package version
[04:46] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: what command did you use to get to that situation?
[04:46] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: That's what I did (D), but I couldn't translate it.
[04:46] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: "sudo apt-get upgrade" after installing kdenlive.
[04:46] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: I can't think what would need to change /etc/issue in the first place!
[04:47] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: So... do I mess anything up if I keep my current one?
[04:47] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: open a 2nd terminal and type "cat /etc/issue" and show us it
[04:47] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Okay.
[04:47] <TJ-> I'll be gone a few minutes; need a drink
[04:48] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty Tahr \n \l
[04:48] <easyOnMe> has anyone here tried php7
[04:49] <mgolisch> no
[04:49] <mgolisch> its still php..
[04:52] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Screw it. I choose O to keep it. Gave me errors, but I'm too sick to mess around right now. Hopefully nothing will break. :(
[04:53] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: well the existing version looks OK, but I suspect the change was to show the new 14.04.X point release
[04:54] <chadwin> hi guys an gals...
[04:54] <the_count> Bashing-om: I have news, if you are around at this unearthly hour
[04:54] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: for example, on a 14.04 system here it has "Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l"
[04:55] <TJ-> the_count: not seen him recently
[04:55] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Oh, okay. So keeping it or renewing it doesn't really matter that much? I didn't break anything now by keeping it?
[04:55] <the_count> TJ-: Ok
[04:55] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: no, the only thing is it under-reports the version number installed.
[04:56] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: But it won't mess with new updates/upgrades and such? I will still get all the latest stuff from the update manager?
[04:56] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: let me see if I can find the package that would want to update that, you could re-run it manually quite easily
[04:57] <the_count> TJ-: I don't know if you have been following my problem... But I just tuped in ' sudo service lightdm restart ' because my wifi stoped working as it does periodically, anyways, it was taking too long, so I reset the machine. Upon powering on, Graphics, mouse speed, everything had been returned to normal.. Strange I tell you
[04:57] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Thank you so much for helping, but we can leave it for NOW. I can't do much right now. :)
[04:58] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: the package the file belongs to is 'base-files' so possibly a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure base-files" would redo it
[04:58] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Okay, I will save that command on my desktop. :)
[04:58] <VictoriaXOXO> Thanks again.
[04:58] <TJ-> the_count: that sounds like a firmware glitch
[04:58] <the_count> TJ-: How's that?
[05:00] <TJ-> the_count: modern systems rely on the motherboard firmware (BIOS or UEFI), and in particular some functionality it provides/describes to the OS via ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface). ACPI in particular is a problem for Linux on some systems since the firmware programmers generally target it at Windows versions and don't provide full functionality to Linux
[05:01] <TJ-> the_count: additionally, sometimes that firmware gets itself confused by saving 'bad' parameters into its non-volatile memory. A machine reset can sometimes 'clear' that as an unintended side-effect
[05:01] <the_count> TJ-: That very well could be the case in this instance... But I am unsure how it could stay constant over multiple reboot
[05:02] <TJ-> the_count: if you do a 'clean' reboot the firmware saves config to its NV-RAM. If you hard reset, it never gets the chance to do that
[05:02] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: You do realize that people get PAID for spewing out much less detailed information? You do this for free? :P
[05:02] <the_count> TJ-: Could a reset cause the problem in the first place?
[05:03] <TJ-> the_count: it's always possible. One of the first things I recommend when there's unpredictable behaviour is to go into firmware setup and reset/load factory defaults
[05:03] <SupaYoshi> okay made the backup thnx guys :)
[05:03] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: don't forget to test it on a disposable system :)
[05:03] <TJ-> SupaYoshi: back-ups are no good unless they work
[05:03] <the_count> TJ-: Because I reset it when it was taking longer to power on than it should when Bashing-om was helping me earlier
[05:04] <the_count> VictoriaXOXO: They love doing it...
[05:04] <TJ-> the_count: who knows... software is complex, firmware is notoriously buggy in several respects, and is fire-and-forget (generally unmaintained) code
[05:04] <rypervenche> VictoriaXOXO: Probably the majority of us are here just to help. I don't even use Ubuntu.
[05:05] <VictoriaXOXO> rypervenche: What do you use?
[05:05] <the_count> TJ-: Where exactly can I find the firmware setup and reset/load the factory defaults?
[05:05] <TJ-> the_count: When the PC first powers on, there's usually a key press (Del, F2, F1 maybe) that starts the firmware setup
[05:06] <rypervenche> VictoriaXOXO: I'll PM you the response. No need to start anything off-topic.
[05:06] <the_count> TJ-: Oh... I thought you were talking about inside linux.
[05:06] <nlw> what's new
[05:06] <TJ-> the_count: no, BIOS or UEFI
[05:07] <the_count> TJ-: Got it, thanks
[05:07] <the_count> TJ-: What exactly is the issue with the BIOS vs UEFI thing... Not sure I ever fully understood it
[05:08] <nlw> control
[05:08] <TJ-> the_count: UEFI solves many of the issues that dogged BIOS for 20 years +
[05:09] <the_count> TJ-: Security being the largest, I guess/
[05:10] <TJ-> the_count: no, the largest is a decent extensible design where the user can load device drivers before any OS has started.
[05:10] <TJ-> the_count: also, having a boot-manager built in to avoid the stupid problems of OSs over-writing each others boot-loaders on the boot device
[05:11] <the_count> TJ-: Ok, Ok
[05:11] <FastOSlinux> boa noite
[05:11] <TJ-> the_count: availability of a very powerfull command-line shell, like bash
[05:11] <the_count> TJ-: Is this built into UEFI?
[05:11] <TJ-> the_count: yes
[05:12] <the_count> TJ-: How do you access it?
[05:13] <TJ-> the_count: some manufacturers don't include the module, or only provide a limited shell, but because UEFI is extensible you can load it yourself. The most used shell comes from Intel's open-source Tianocore EFI Dev Kit v2 (EDK2) and is called shellx64.efi
[05:14] <TJ-> the_count: I install it in the EFI-SP by default. You can get it from the Tainocore project at http://sourceforge.net/p/tianocore/edk2/ci/dd805dfd04535b9820be03f8402f8ee48457790b/tree/ShellBinPkg/UefiShell/X64/Shell.efi
[05:15] <TJ-> the_count: I generally rename it on a fixed disk install to the simple boot-path /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI so that if the boot manager loses/forgets/deletes the installed OSs the system will auto-boot to that shell, where things can be repaired
[05:16] <ogz> hi, is xfce much faster than unity. I have a 2GB ram laptop, that is also made for 64 bit. Should i go for 32 / 64 bit and xfce or unity
[05:16] <the_count> TJ-: Wow, I didn't realize this even existed, what type of things can you do with it as per system administration/fixing up systems, etc...
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> The upgrade needs a total of 92.5 M free space on disk '/boot'. Please free at least an additional 41.0 M of disk space on '/boot'. Empty your trash and remove temporary packages of former installations using 'sudo apt-get clean'.
[05:16] <azizLIGHT> if i do this will i be unable to boot
[05:17] <azizLIGHT> i use luks encrypted LVM partitions
[05:17] <TJ-> the_count: access, read/write to file systems, add/edit UEFI boot menu entries, manually load other EFI modules (e.g. device drivers I mentioned earlier), and generally everything you need in an emergency situation. It has tools for examining memory and many other functions
[05:18] <the_count> TJ-: So, say I need a driver for Windows, but cannot install it, may I load it with this?
[05:19] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: sounds like the PC has a separate /boot/ file-system that has filled up with older kernel versions. You might want to identify those "dpkg -l 'linux-image*' " and remove the older ones
[05:19] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: if i remove those images, will grub be rebuilt properly so that i can actually boot? how do i ensure this
[05:20] <TJ-> the_count: no; the drivers are firmware drivers, so for example the system may have a special adapter plugged into one of its PCIe ports that the motherboard firmware doesn't know how to work, so you could load a driver provided by the device maker and you'd be able to access it, maybe boot from it
[05:20] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: The idea is to keep the last 2 known good kernel versions, but if there's say 8 kernels installed remove the oldest 6
[05:21] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: ive done this before and i was unable to dual boot anymore.
[05:21] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: so what precautions should i take
[05:21] <the_count> TJ-: How are these loaded typically, the firmware drivers?
[05:21] <TJ-> the_count: if you want to know more see http://www.uefi.org/about/
[05:22] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: i removed old kernel images, and when grub config was rebuilt with remaining kernel images, for some reason, windows was not detected and was not added to the boot menu in grub, and i  had to do research to figure out how to fix it (none of which i saved unfortunately)
[05:22] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: removing older kernels won't affect dual-boot. As I said, you don't remove the known-good currently booting kernel version.
[05:22] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: would it affect dual-boot because of luks
[05:23] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: discovery of other OSes is done by os-prober, which is called by GRUB's /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober script.
[05:23] <azizLIGHT> i see
[05:24] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: disabling os-prober is generally achieved by adding "GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true" to /etc/default/grub. Other than that, it should run. This all assumes the devices with the other OS are available of course
[05:24] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: if you have some time, can you check this diff of grub.cfg. the original is where i couldnt dual boot, and the new one is where eveything works properly: https://www.diffchecker.com/hasdolhn
[05:24] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: you can call it manually to test "sudo os-prober" to be sure Windows is discovered
[05:25] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Since you seem to know everything (not trying to be rude), do you know of some easy way to automatically close Firefox (or any browser) as soon as the VPN connection fails? Like a kill switch?
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> im not sure why efi.signed is not there in those filenames?
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> among other differences in between those files
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> what happened that i got that file
[05:25] <azizLIGHT> instead of the one on the right
[05:26] <the_count> TJ-: One last question, With this shell, or even, grub may be a better option, can you make them redetect the operating systems currently installed?
[05:26] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: look at line 289-290
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> theres nothing there
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> for os prober
[05:26] <azizLIGHT> (on the left)
[05:27] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: notice that 30_os-prober ran but didn't insert anything, which infers the OS signature couldn't be found for some reason
[05:28] <azizLIGHT> this is what im trying to avoid. why would this happen and how do i prevent it? id liketo learn enough about this to understand it myself
[05:28] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: you'd have to dig deeper on the system to figure out why that happened, but as the system appears to be UEFI, the mobo boot-manager should be handling the boot menu operation
[05:28] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: do you mean to say i should not use grub for the dual boot
[05:28] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: like, use seperate hdds for each os?
[05:29] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: I wouldn't, since one of the major improvements UEFI delivers is to have it manage the boot menu and not have the OSs fighting over that
[05:29] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: no, you don't need separate drives
[05:30] <azizLIGHT> hmm interesting
[05:31] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: the way UEFI works is, it expects to find an EFI System Partition on the boot device, which is a relatively small (<512MB) FAT16/32 file-system, containing EFI exectuables installed by each OS that wants boot services. Those OSs also add an entry to the UEFI Boot Menu so the firmware boot manager can offer the OS choice itself, and load the correct OS EFI boot manager code from the EFI-SP, which
[05:31] <TJ-> then goes on to load the remainder of the OS
[05:32] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: using that system, GRUB only needs to 'worry' about the Linux kernels for the distro it was installed from
[05:32] <azizLIGHT> ahhhhhh
[05:32] <azizLIGHT> i see what you mean now
[05:32] <azizLIGHT> so does ubuntu offer EFI executuables to UEFI?
[05:32] <TJ-> The Linux kernel can be booted directly as n EFI exectuable too, so soon we'll be able to do away with GRUB
[05:33] <azizLIGHT> is this not common today?
[05:33] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: correct, on an UEFI system the grub-efi packages are installed, which include files to be put in the EFI-SP
[05:33] <azizLIGHT> very interesting
[05:34] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: not as yet; there's a lot of legacy stuff to deal with and inertia, but its possible and some distros do provide tools to install that way
[05:36] <azizLIGHT> earlier i mentioned individual os on seperate hdds. i read that people do this to avoid dual booting via grub or having another OS takever boot records
[05:36] <azizLIGHT> this was for before UEFI i think
[05:36] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: that was the issue for BIOS firmware; UEFI in EFI mode doesn't suffer that
[05:37] <TJ-> for UEFI in CSM/legacy mode (Compatibility Support Module) the same can apply
[05:37] <azizLIGHT> what happens if you have multiple drives under UEFI? does only 1 hdd need the EFI executables for OS which may or maynot be on the same hdds?
[05:37] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: as long as the EFI-SP has space, you can install OSs that all have separate, non-conflicting, boot loaders
[05:38] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: correct, there only needs to be 1 EFI-SP on the primary disk
[05:38] <TJ-> azizLIGHT: that doesn't prevent putting one on another disk, the boot menu entries store the path to the device the boot loader EFI executable is on
[05:39] <azizLIGHT> hmmm
[05:39] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: You don't know? :(
[05:40] <azizLIGHT> i could go on asking questions, ill stop now heh
[05:40] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: don't know what?
[05:40] <azizLIGHT> TJ-: i appreciate all your answers, thank you very much
[05:40] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Since you seem to know everything (not trying to be rude), do you know of some easy way to automatically close Firefox (or any browser) as soon as the VPN connection fails? Like a kill switch?
[05:40] <azizLIGHT> VictoriaXOXO: ive seen that sort of stuff on google
[05:41] <azizLIGHT> i dont know if theres an easy way
[05:41] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: you'd need to start FF from a wrapper script that kept tabs on the VPN status, but why would you want to close the browser?
[05:42] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I don't want to miss the VPN disconnecting and then continue to surf with my regular ISP. :(
[05:42] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: oh, well that's easy to prevent
[05:42] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: simply don't assign a default gateway for the network connection, so there's no default route in the kernel's routing table.
[05:43] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: when the VPN comes up it'd add a default route into its tunnel, and when the tunnel closes the default route would be removed, leaving the PC unable to do default routing
[05:44] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Hmmmmm. I'm not entirely sure I understand, but I'm saving everything you just said.
[05:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: that'd just require a specific manual route in the routing table for the VPN's public endpoint so the PC could connect to it and create the VPN to begin with, of course :)
[05:44] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: I could explain it in 30 seconds on a whiteboard; on IRC we'd probably need 30 minutes :)
[05:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Oh, darn it. :P
[05:45] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Japanese to me, I'm afraid.
[05:45] <cimbakahn> Hello!
[05:46] <cimbakahn> I can't find anyone at #lubuntu.  Can i get help here?
[05:46] <nill> nilesh
[05:46] <nill> hii
[05:47] <cimbakahn> Hello!
[05:57] <cimbakahn> I can't find anyone at any of the lubuntu rooms.  Can i get help here?
[05:59] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: rough whiteboard diagram: http://imgur.com/TsREQsu
[06:00] <robotics_> hello everyone, need your help in resolving a question. In Ubuntu when a program is installed (i can see it in the main searching window) if later i want to change it's location path where should make changes in order it stays visible in that searching window?
[06:00] <robotics_> excuse me for my poor English :(
[06:01] <cimbakahn> I don't know.
[06:01] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Oh?! You did it! :D
[06:02] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: Okay, I'm saving that baby. Need time to decipher it. ;)
[06:02] <TJ-> VictoriaXOXO: it needs some explanation but my hand got tired (my whiteboard is on a wall/ceiling join and the dogs were in the way) :)
[06:03] <debug0x1> #dns
[06:03] <zachoooo> Can someone take a look at my bash script. I included the error at the bottom: http://pastebin.com/KhLBViDk
[06:03] <debug0x1> #powerdns
[06:03] <debug0x1> oops
[06:03] <zachoooo> On my script I plan on replacing those numbers with 90
[06:04] <zachoooo> So I can see if my disk usage is over 90%
[06:04] <cimbakahn> I am looking at this page, and i am confused ----> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[06:04] <cimbakahn> I am looking for something in between the bare minimum install and the full install.  And i want a graphical installer.  Can anyone help?
[06:04] <cimbakahn> Which download do i click on?
[06:04] <VictoriaXOXO> TJ-: I'll pester you about it some other night after looking at it some more.
[06:05] <TJ-> zachoooo: "if" not "If"
[06:05] <cimbakahn> I also want the newest one.
[06:05] <zachoooo> TJ, case sensitive?
[06:05] <TJ-> zachoooo: yes
[06:05] <TJ-> zachoooo: see "man bash"
[06:05] <zachoooo> Otherwise does it look correct?
[06:07] <TJ-> zachoooo: No, your use of ${varname::-XXXX} is wrong. I think you meant to use ${varname:-XXXX}
[06:09] <TJ-> zachoooo: you could also lose the need for 'tail -n 1' by doing " | awk '{V=$5}END{print V}' "  I think (you want the last line)
[06:09] <mathi>
[06:10] <zachoooo> TJ, the script for removing the percentage sign seems to work and it seems to be capturing the correct part.  What would changing it to that do?
 Which download do i click on? <<<<< download http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/lubuntu-core and once that is installed run /sudo apt-get update, and /sudo apt-get upgrade. after that run/sudo apt-get xfce.
[06:11] <VictoriaXOXO> TSS: If he uses webchat, he won't get a notification when you type his nick like that.
[06:11] <azizLIGHT> ive got nvidia-352 installed from graphics-drivers ppa, i noticed the ppa also has nvidia-358. how come i dont have this?
[06:11] <cimbakahn> sudo apt-get xfce ?  You mean for the Xfce desktop?
[06:11] <TSS> how should I put his name then?
[06:11] <cimbakahn> I wanted LXDE.
[06:11] <VictoriaXOXO> TSS: Nevermind. He saw it.
[06:11] <TSS> yes cim
[06:11] <TJ-> zachoooo: your -gt tests might be tripped up by the % sign too. You can lose the entire use of awk/tail with "xxxx=$(df --output=pcent /home)" too
[06:12] <zachoooo> I removed the percentage sign
[06:12] <TJ-> zachoooo: Ohhh! the ::- is the search/replace ?
[06:12] <TSS> run /sudo purge xfce, and then run/sudo apt-get lxde
[06:12] <zachoooo> TJ that part just strips the last character
[06:12] <zachoooo> So 6% becomes 6, 60% becomes 60
[06:13] <VictoriaXOXO> cimbakahn: Yes, follow what TSS told you to do. That's what I would've done.
[06:13] <TJ-> zachoooo: right, I didn't relise you were doing the :offset:length
[06:14] <TSS> oops. sorry to get rid of xfce un the folling command /sudo aptitude purge xfce4 desktop-base exo-utils gtk2-engines-xfce libexo-1-0 libexo-common
[06:14] <zachoooo> The script seems to be working. I'm just a total noob so I don't want to make some major mistake and reduce my dedi to nothing ness
[06:15] <TJ-> zachoooo: if you're monitoring for space, you might want to monitor the inodes too
[06:15] <zachoooo> Forgive me, but what is that?
[06:15] <TJ-> zachoooo: not unusual for a FS to run out of inodes with lots of small files, yet have plenty of space
[06:16] <TJ-> zachoooo: "df --output=ipcent"
[06:17] <zachoooo> It looks like the inodes are linked to files.  So I have to delete more files if the inodes fill up as well?
[06:18] <TJ-> zachoooo: yes, generally if you expect a lot of smaller files on larger file-systems its worth setting the inode total to a larger than default value when creating the file-system
[06:19] <cimbakahn> amd64 or i386  I have a 64bit computer.
[06:20] <zachoooo> I see. I did not create the file system, nor am I expecting an unusually large number of small files. It's just a game server for me and my friends. It has CS:GO, Gmod, Minecraft, Team speak,  and a seedbox on it.
[06:20] <zachoooo> Jeez maybe I should have gone with windows, but then again this is cheaper and I'm learning how to use linux
[06:21] <TJ-> zachoooo: should be OK then, but when monitoring it helps to monitor everything that could cause issues. We see a lot of users reporting mystery 'no space' messages but got plenty of space left in the FS, and it turns out to be inodes are exhausted
[06:21] <cimbakahn> product: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T6600  @ 2.20GHz
[06:22] <cimbakahn> amd64 or i386  I have a 64bit computer.
[06:22] <zachoooo> I see. I wish there was a system that already had the monitoring built in and just sent you an email if anything is unusual
[06:22] <TJ-> zachoooo: there probably is! Debian/Ubuntu have something like 30,000+ packages in thei archives, they cover almost everything you could imagine
[06:24] <zachoooo> TJ, most of the stuff I see is a script just like what i setup. It is not an apt-get package that does anything beyond that.,
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: whats your issue?
[06:29] <TJ-> !info durep | zacc
[06:29] <cimbakahn> Which install do i choose?  amd64 or i386  I have a 64bit computer.
[06:29] <cimbakahn> product: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T6600  @ 2.20GHz
[06:29] <TJ-> cimbakahn: how much RAM does the PC have?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: 64bit ubuntu if your architecture is 64bit
[06:30] <cimbakahn> 4GB
[06:30] <TJ-> cimbakahn: amd64
[06:30] <cimbakahn> Thank you!
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: and you can choose LTS for a stable experience
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> !lts > cimbakahn
[06:31] <cimbakahn> Why does the buntu sites have to be so confusing?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: are you kidding?
[06:31] <TJ-> cimbakahn: because there are lots of choices
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: ubuntu is very easy to use
[06:32] <TJ-> cimbakahn: what's correct for you might not be for someone else
[06:32] <BlastRed> HI
[06:32] <cimbakahn> Wily is supposed to be LTS, yes?
[06:32] <BlastRed> is anyone online? i am in need of assistance.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: no
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ask your issue mate BlastRed
[06:32] <intent> I looked in /etc/passwd and there are a ton of users. I thought we had done a minimal impression so I am surprised by some of them - are users like "games, news, irc, landscape" necessary or can I delete them, and is there a way to find out what users should be there?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: read the LTS trigger
[06:33] <BlastRed> I need help with formatting a disk; i have accidentally burned a wrong thing on it. any way i can format it with terminal? as it doesnt let me in disks
[06:33] <BlastRed> i can easily do this with windows; but i cant at the moment :/
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: 14.04.3 is latest LTS
[06:34] <cimbakahn> LTS trigger?
[06:34] <TJ-> intent: those 'users' are system accounts pre-defined for various services, to ensure those services don't need to run as root
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: want to format a harddisk from terminal
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> !lts | cimbakahn
[06:35] <BlastRed> not the hard disk, just a disk i put in my computer :0
[06:35] <BlastRed> :I
[06:35] <TJ-> BlastRed: 'burned' to a disk? what kind of disk?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> cd?dvd?minidisc>?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> floppy?
[06:35] <BlastRed> i think i meant to say disc? its just a normal 4.7 gb disc i burned something on i want to format and remove :^I
[06:35] <cimbakahn> trusty?
[06:36] <TJ-> BlastRed: so, a rewritable DVD?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: yes, would be a good choice, if you want long time support
[06:36] <BlastRed> si
[06:36] <BlastRed> Yes.
[06:36] <cimbakahn> I thought they had a newer LTS.
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: xenial is comming in april 2016
[06:36] <BlastRed> Oh yeah. Yes TJ-
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !dvd | BlastRed
[06:37] <TJ-> BlastRed: see "man dvd+rw-format"
[06:37] <BlastRed> i put that interminal?
[06:37] <BlastRed> ubottu:  haha... thats not what i meant...
[06:38] <TJ-> !growisofs | BlastRed this package contains dvd+rw-format
[06:38] <TJ-> !info growisofs | BlastRed this package contains dvd+rw-format
[06:38] <BlastRed> Ok.
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: +1 tool
[06:38] <BlastRed> Whats the diffference, TJ-
[06:38] <TJ-> BlastRed: difference between what?
[06:39] <intent> TJ-: thanks
[06:39] <cimbakahn> I here there are 3 lubuntu.  A bare minimum one.  The full install.  And one in between.
[06:39] <BlastRed> TJ-:  the two growisofs
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: it all depends what you want to do?
[06:39] <cimbakahn> What is the one called that is in between?  I just want to be sure.
[06:40] <TJ-> BlastRed: I mistyped and so the 'bot didn't auto-describe the package, the first time
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: if you want to test lubuntu, just use regular install not minimal
[06:40] <BlastRed> i put what you said in terminal and i got: bash: !info: event not found
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | cimbakahn
[06:40] <BlastRed> sorry if im not listening correctly im fairly new to ubuntu
[06:41] <TJ-> BlastRed: no, that's not for the terminal, that was for here in IRC
[06:41] <TJ-> BlastRed: see "man dvd+rw-format"
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: without the quotes "
[06:41] <TJ-> BlastRed: THATS for the terminal, if you have the 'growisofs' package installed
[06:41] <BlastRed> Okay i see it...
[06:41] <BlastRed> i ... am still lost :/
[06:42] <cimbakahn> It reads:  A full install includes all the packages which are shipped by default with the standard Lubuntu installation; such as web browsers, mail clients and office programs. Lubuntu minimal and core contains a more stripped-down graphical environment.  So there are 3 of them.
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: you can install packages with: sudo apt-get install your-package-name
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: ask yourself what you really want?
[06:42] <BlastRed> lotuspsychje:  i know
[06:42] <TJ-> BlastRed: you asked how to re-format a DVD re-writable. I gave you the manual page of the tool to do that
[06:42] <pankaj> hih
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: minimal is a more expert install that most users dont need
[06:43] <BlastRed> TJ-: i know it doesnt make sense terminal is confusing to me haha... :^|
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> pankaj: welcome, how can we assist you?
[06:44] <TJ-> BlastRed: Linux is all about having the power of the terminal, and the shell, at your command
[06:44] <BlastRed> yeah
[06:44] <cimbakahn> Since it reads A full install, minimal and core, there are 3.  I want the one in the middle.
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: again, ask yourself why you want that?
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: for most users the full install is reccomended
[06:45] <cimbakahn> Because most OSes come with a bunch of programs i don't want.
[06:45] <BlastRed> 'mint@mint ~ $ dvd+rw-format -force /dev/sr0 * BD/DVD�RW/-RAM format utility by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>version 7.1. :-( mounted media doesn't appear to be DVD�RW, DVD-RAM or Blu-ray
[06:45] <BlastRed> ??? what did i do wrong?
[06:45] <cimbakahn> This way i can do my own.
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: you can, but if you choose minimal you will encouter other problems you didnt expect
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: better choose full install, and uninstall packages you dotn wanna use
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: your on ubuntu mint?
[06:46] <BlastRed> yes.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !mint | BlastRed
[06:47] <BlastRed> ok
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: install an ubuntu version from topic mate
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: it will make you a nice experience
[06:47] <BlastRed> ok
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> BlastRed: i would reccomend ubuntu 14.04.3 desktop and try the tools TJ- suggested
[06:48] <BlastRed> i had that on my live cd
[06:48] <BlastRed> right now im on my live usb
[06:48] <TJ-> 'dvd+rw-mediainfo' will tell you what the media in the device is
[06:48] <cimbakahn> What about the one on this page ----> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lubuntu-desktop  It doesn't look like it is too minimal, and it doesn't look like the full install either.
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: your diggint to deep mate, you browsing on 12.04 now
[06:49] <TJ-> cimbakahn: for pities sake, you could have installed the full image 30 times instead of worrying over which one :D
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: take our advise and choose a flavor and full install
[06:50] <cimbakahn> That page is for wily, (the newest).
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: its not
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: do you want stable and 5 years support, or 9 months support non-lts?
[06:53] <TJ-> cimbakahn: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu/LTS and choose the 'Standard PC', PC 64-bit option
[06:56] <cimbakahn> If i choose trusty, i'll be in the same boat that i am right now, and i don't want that.  Trusty holds back too many things that i need.
[06:56] <TJ-> cimbakahn: OK, so choose the Wily image then!
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: define 'holds back'?
[06:58] <cimbakahn> Newer versions of programs that i absolutely need.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: you just told us you dont want many programs
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: now you want the latest ones?
[06:59] <cimbakahn> I realize that, but the ones i do use have to be certain versions, the newest.
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> cimbakahn: ok then choose wily as TJ- suggested
[07:06] <plumbus> noob question. there's a site for this package i want to install with a link that says PPA and links to a .deb file. what do i do to install it?
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> !ppa | plumbus
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: what package are we talking about?
[07:08] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: https://bitbucket.org/rude/love/downloads/love_0.9.2ppa1_amd64.deb
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> !info love
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: this one? ^
[07:09] <plumbus> yeah
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: use sudo apt-get install love from your terminal
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: that will install the right version for your ubuntu version
[07:09] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: so it's not a ppa?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: the website can have ppa's yes to obtain latest packages
[07:10] <MrCeeIII> ok i cant sleep.... what we talking about?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: but its reccomended to use version for your ubuntu version
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | MrCeeIII
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: wich ubuntu version do you have?
[07:11] <MrCeeIII> i dont know how to change rooms
[07:11] <MrCeeIII> im a noob
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: type /join #yourchannel
[07:11] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: so let's say i wanted the latest one, what would i do? would i `apt-add-repository <debfile>` ?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: we dont support ppa's officially mate
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> how can i see what differnt channels are out here
[07:12] <TheRinger_>  type /list
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> !alis | MrCeeIII
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> !alis
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> that did nothing
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: read it first
[07:12] <MrCeeIII> huh
[07:13] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: i understand that ppas aren't `officially supported` but how would i use the command line to install the ppa?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: /msg alis list....
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: if you understand we dont support it, please dont ask howto
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: it can get your system in trouble
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> !latest | plumbus
[07:15] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: i understand that it could screw my system, but i'm using a vm with snapshots. i guess i'll go somewhere else to ask the general question "how do i install a ppa package from a deb file?"
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: if you absolutely want a newer 'love' try ubuntu 15.10 or daily image 16.04
[07:15] <MrCeeIII> !alis ####testing
[07:15] <MrCeeIII> test
[07:15] <MrCeeIII> where am i
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: we dont support ppa's here, we have to follow the rules mate
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: maybe the ##linux guys can help, but you might hear the same that ppa's are at own risk
[07:16] <MrCeeIII> -alis ####testing
[07:16] <plumbus> k mate
[07:16] <MrCeeIII> where am i now
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | MrCeeIII
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: please dont spam text in this channel
[07:18] <MrCeeIII> how do i change channels
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: /join #freenode and ask there please
[07:20] <MrCeeIII> im learning here... how do i see a list of channels
[07:20] <plumbus> lotuspsychje: I have a feeling that he's a troll
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: dont use this channel for network questions
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> plumbus: good feeling :p
[07:21] <MrCeeIII> not a troll people just trying to learn somethings... i guess you aholes dont like helping people
[07:22] <plumbus> MrCeeIII: go away chesapoke
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> MrCeeIII: you need to learn in the right channel, this is ubuntu support
[07:22] <MrCeeIII> asking questions in freenode now.. thanks for nothing
[07:51] <lukas__> Hello.
[07:53] <fsociety> hi
[07:54] <Guest49033> ...
[08:24] <nitish> how can i ping a website?
[08:24] <TJ-> nitish: you can't.
[08:24] <Devaj> type ping <website>
[08:24] <TJ-> nitish: you can test whether an HTTP/S server responds, and you can 'ping' a host
[08:25] <Devaj> okay
[08:26] <nitish> TJ- how can I test that an http/s server responding or not with ping?
[08:27] <Devaj> why can't i connect to other irc servers?
[08:28] <TJ-> nitish: you can't. You can "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" or "ping hostname.domain.tld" to test if a host will respond to ICMP requests. You can test an HTTP service on a host with something like "curl http://hostname.domain.tld/"
[08:29] <Devaj> you are nitish right?
[08:30] <Devaj> indian?
[08:38] <pers3us> nitish: Try telnet. http://www.esqsoft.com/examples/troubleshooting-http-using-telnet.htm
[08:38] <nitish> pers3us: ok. thanks
[08:45] <dfas> hi
[08:45] <nitish> How can I use screen saver in 14.04 lts?
[08:46] <SCHAAP137> !screensaver | nitish
[08:47] <nitish> SCHAAP137: is that mean there is no screensaver?
[08:47] <SCHAAP137> no, i thought the bot would have a story ready, but it doesn't
[08:48] <SCHAAP137> there is a screensaver built-in i believe
[08:48] <SCHAAP137> or you could use xscreensaver
[08:49] <SCHAAP137> i prefer xscreensaver, has some really cool presets
[08:49] <dfas> can anyone help me with this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/13440755/
[08:49] <SCHAAP137> the 'BSOD' one is great
[08:50] <nitish> SCHAAP137: there is no inbuilt screensave in 14.04. right now i am installing xscreensaver.
[08:50] <nitish> SCHAAP137: what is BSOD?
[08:50] <wmorri> dfas, is this an ubuntu problem?
[08:50] <pers3us> An OT question, which IRC clients do you guys prefer?
[08:51] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: i use Hexchat
[08:51] <SCHAAP137> nitish: one of the presets in xscreensaver, it shows fake crashes from different OSs
[08:51] <pers3us> SCHAAP137: It has ugly UI though :(
[08:51] <pers3us> I had to switch back to weechat ..
[08:51] <SCHAAP137> nitish: like bluescreen from windows, system errors from Mac OS, various UNIXes, etc
[08:52] <pers3us> nitish: Why do you need screensaver for? :)
[08:52] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: on my server without GUI, i use irssi
[08:52] <SCHAAP137> weechat is good as well i think, never used it
[08:52] <nitish> pers3us: Just for not to be boar when I am nothing doing in my ubuntu.
[08:53] <pers3us> i found it better than irssi..
[08:53] <pers3us> nitish: okay, you are using Unity right? IIRC it had some screensaver option.
[08:54] <SCHAAP137> nitish: after installation, put 'xscreensaver -no-splash' in your autostartup applications
[08:54] <SCHAAP137> there might already be another screensaver in there autostarting, you can disable & replace that one
[08:54] <pers3us> SCHAAP137: Unity has screensavers right?
[08:54] <nitish> SCHAAP137: I don't need auto startup of screen-saver.
[08:55] <SCHAAP137> nitish: for the daemon, otherwise it will not activate when idling
[08:55] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: yes i think so
[08:55] <SCHAAP137> pers3us: i use MATE here
[08:55] <pers3us> nitish: Is your Ubuntu a default install? Or have you changed something?
[08:56] <pers3us> SCHAAP137: E17 here :P
[08:58] <nitish> what is 'unity' command? I just used it and my system got hanged.
[08:59] <nitish> while downloading a package my system hanged and I had to shut it down focefully. now while I am tryping to install that package again I am getting this: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct problem.
[09:03] <wmorri> nitish, what were you downloading?
[09:04] <nitish> wmorri: its fixed by running this "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:05] <nitish> I just downloaded xscreensaver when i run it its gone and while i am trying to run it again its showing its running already. How can I change setting of it?
[09:05] <pers3us> nitish: you didn't answer my original query. Is your Ubuntu a default install? i.e. Unity?
[09:06] <nitish> pers3us: i didn't understand.
[09:06] <nitish> pers3us: I have dual boot. win 8.1 and ubuntu 14.04 lts.
[09:07] <nitish> i used to download mostly with terminal.
[09:07] <pers3us> nitish: Are you running the default Ubuntu UI?
[09:08] <pers3us> which I presume you are, then there should be an option of screensaver in there, and you don't have to download any package for that.
[09:08] <nitish> pers3us: Yes, currently I am using default UI. I changed it once while I had 12.10. now I forgotten how I did that.
[09:08] <nitish> pers3us: how can I change the default ui of ubuntu?
[09:09] <pers3us> nitish: Read up on Desktop Environments in Ubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/65083/what-kinds-of-desktop-environments-and-shells-are-available
[09:12] <nitish> how can I set timing in xscreensaver?
[09:12] <hubbunny> hey lads, I'm trying to install barnyard2 alongside snort on ubuntu 14.04 but I'm running into an error thats looking for a daq.h file  #include <daq.h> I'm unsure how to resolve can anyone help? Error in full: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13441202/
[09:13] <SCHAAP137> nitish: use xscreensaver-demo
[09:13] <SCHAAP137> it's a kind of control panel
[09:14] <pers3us> hubbunny: sudo apt-get install libdaq-dev
[09:14] <nitish> SCHAAP137: When I click on preview option its giving error.
[09:15] <kpz> i changed python version and software center dosen't work now
[09:15] <hubbunny> pers3us, thanks I'll try that
[09:15] <nitish> SCHAAP137: xscreensaver-demo is showing screensaver in only small screen. I need it in full screen.
[09:16] <hubbunny> pers3us, thanks a mill bro. I couldve sworn I tried that but anyway must not. cheers
[09:16] <pers3us> hubbunny: Pretty much every single such error has a dependent lib that you need to have in the system. so if it is "daq.h" look for "daq" in apt cache. apt-cache search daq
[09:16] <pers3us> hubbunny: happy to help :)
[09:16] <Madura> Hi, I bought a new laptop(DELL Latitude E5440) with genuine windows. I have created bootable pendrive with ubuntu 14.04 and installed ubuntu successfully and removed windows(I only want ubuntu). After installation I changed the boot sequence. after that I'm getting "No boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine". how can I resolved this problem ?
[09:16] <hubbunny> pers3us, great a solid tip to remember for a n00b. thanks again.
[09:17] <pers3us> Madura: Do you have any external drive attached to your system? Also, what do you mean by you changed boot sequence
[09:17] <nitish> how can I stop a running application from terminal?
[09:18] <pers3us> nitish: ps -ef |grep <application-name-or-part of name>
[09:18] <pers3us> find the PID
[09:18] <pers3us> and sudo kill -9 pid
[09:19] <SCHAAP137> just Ctrl C to break/abort something works as well
[09:24] <Madura> Hi pers3us, No there is no any drives attached to my system
[09:25] <Madura> I'm sory, I was disconnected.
[09:25] <pers3us> Madura: What do you mean you modified boot sequence?
[09:26] <nitish> can I install twitter client?
[09:28] <msev-> what do i need installed so i can run this https://github.com/mrgilving/arduinoGPSNavigator/blob/master/images/bmp2hex.py
[09:29] <Madura> when restart my machine, I went to bios using f2 key, and I changed boot sequence by putting hard drive down and flash drive up
[09:29] <nitish> How can I install latest version of wine?
[09:33] <Madura> pers3us I have enabled lagacy option
[09:34] <pers3us> Madura: You have already installed Ubuntu right?
[09:34] <Madura> pers3us: Yes. it was successfully installed and shown a restart machine prompt
[09:35] <cfhowlett> !latest | nitish
[09:35] <pers3us> Madura: Hmm, if it is efi boot, I have no idea about it.
[09:36] <Madura> pers3us : when I restart machine when flash drive is pluged, its booting from flash drive and ask me to to reinstall it
[09:36] <nitish> ubottu: how can I install wine? ps: I know you are a bot. dot't tell me that again.
[09:37] <pers3us> Madura: Which is expected, as your first boot option is from flash drive. I guess the bootloader didn't install correctly.
[09:37] <pers3us> nitish: apt-cache search wine
[09:38] <Madura> pers3us : how can I fix this ?
[09:38] <pers3us> Madura: Boot using pendrive, then reinstall grub. See if that works.
[09:39] <pers3us> Madura: Terminal > sudo apt-get install grub && sudo update-grub
[09:40] <Madura> pers3us : OK. thanx, I'm tring it now. I will let you know the result. thanx again.
[09:41] <pers3us> Madura: Cool. I am around, let me know if it works
[09:41] <slicepaperwords> this might be more of an hp question, but does anyone know how to scan to computer? I cant figure it out
[09:41] <cfhowlett> slicepaperwords, xsane
[09:42] <pers3us> cfhowlett: Isn't there a default app for that in Ubuntu? :)
[09:42] <cfhowlett> pers3us, last I heard, xsane IS the default app, but it's possible that there's an HP linux app
[09:42] <TJ-> Madura: sounds to me like when you installed the OS to the fixed disk, you accidently installed the boot-loader to the USB device, rather than the fixed disk
[09:43] <Madura> TJ : when Im installing I gave 500mb to /boot , its in hard drive
[09:43] <pers3us> cfhowlett: oh, I wasn't aware it is xsane.
[09:44] <cfhowlett> pers3us, I could be wrong though ...
[09:44] <pers3us> cfhowlett: I am not sure either, never had a need of it.
[09:44] <Madura> pers2us : One thing to mention, ubuntu was installed within 3 to 5 min, is it possible ?
[09:45] <pers3us> Madura: Yes it is possible. But what do you mean u gave /boot 500mb
[09:45] <pers3us> did you partition a separate /boot ?
[09:45] <Madura> pers2us : yes. you are correct.
[09:46] <linocisco> hi all, any free hotel booking apps on cloud?
[09:47] <pers3us> Madura: Hmm. It shouldn't be a problem in default install though. It was a default install right, you just partitioned it?
[09:48] <pers3us> Madura: reboot using flash drive, and follow these steps.
[09:48] <pers3us> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:49] <Madura> pers2us : at first time I gave default install, but it was not work, then I partitioned it, gave 100GB for root, 300GB for home and 500mb for /boot
[09:49] <pers3us> Careful with the sudo grub-install step.
[09:49] <pers3us> Madura: What do you mean it didn't work?
[09:50] <Madura> pers2us : I got the same problem. then I went to install it again.
[09:50] <Madura> pers2us : after that I realized this is not a installation issue
[09:50] <Madura> pers2us : I have tried 3 times.
[09:51] <slicepaperwords> thank you cfhowlett, I couldnt get a decent scan with xsane but it led me to simple scan which was already installed and works
[09:51] <pers3us> Hmm, Madura, can you check this for me. follow steps here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[09:52] <cfhowlett> pers3us, perfect!  happy2help!
[09:52] <pers3us> cfhowlett: tagging the wrong person :)
[09:53] <cfhowlett> pers3us, yep.  tourettes/fat fingers.  happy2help! slicepaperwords
[09:53] <slicepaperwords> pers3us, haha I was thinking that too
[09:53] <slicepaperwords> haha thanks cfhowlett
[09:54] <pers3us> cfhowlett: Any idea on UEFI boot? Madura here needs some help with booting issue.
[09:54] <EriC^^> pers3us: what's the problem?
[09:54] <EriC^^> Madura: ?
[09:54] <cfhowlett> pers3us, saw that.   outside my limited area of "expertise"
[09:55] <TJ-> Madura: pers3us: not been following the issue; is the system UEFI? is it booting in UEFI mode? What make/model is the system?
[09:55] <simonepsp> hello everyone :) Someone uses Wimax on ubuntu? Since Network manager dropped its support to Wimax how can I connect to a network? Thanks
[09:56] <Madura> TJ : this is the issue, I bought a new laptop(DELL Latitude E5440) with genuine windows. I have created bootable pendrive with ubuntu 14.04 and installed ubuntu successfully and removed windows(I only want ubuntu). After installation I changed the boot sequence. after that I'm getting "No boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine". how can I resolved this problem ?
[09:56] <EriC^^> Madura: boot a live usb
[09:56] <pers3us> EriC^^: The problem  ^^
[09:57] <Madura> Eric : YES
[09:57] <EriC^^> Madura: try pressing esc while the pc boots and see if you can get a uefi menu and choose ubuntu
[09:57] <EriC^^> if you can't get a uefi menu, boot a live usb
[09:58] <TJ-> Madura: right, did you install in UEFI mode or legacy BIOS mode?
[09:58] <Madura> TJ : legacy bios mode
[09:58] <TJ-> Madura: OK, and the firmware has Legacy/CSM support enabled, and the first boot device is the fixed disk?
[09:58] <Madura> Eric : TJ : I can re install it again. what is the best way to reinstall ?
[09:59] <TJ-> Madura: don't reinstall yet, let's actually find out what is going on
[09:59] <Madura> TJ : ok.
[10:02] <Madura> TJ : Eric : when Im restaring machine, I got this error. [sda] incomplete mode parameter data   [sda] Assuming drive cache : wright throght
[10:03] <Grayfoox> ahoj