[10:21] <HeMan> Hi. Is there any Ubuntu 17.04 image for Beaglebone black available?
[10:22] <HeMan> I only found 16.04 images
[14:54] <HeMan> Can the 16.04 image be installed and upgraded via 16.10 to 17.04?


[19:52] <etenil> Hi there
[19:53] <etenil> I can't create a branch in my project altough I'm the owner. Attempting to push to lp:datajar/0.01 results in an error: "Permission denied: "Cannot create '0.01'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."". I can't find anything about this error. Could you help?
[19:56] <lifeless> etenil: bzr push lp:~youraccount/datajar/0.01, then in a browser go to https://launchpad.net/datajar/0.01 and link the branch.
[19:56] <lifeless> if you're trying to create a series branch, that is.
[19:56] <lifeless> if you just want a branch called 0.01, its just bzr push lp:~youraccount/datajar/0.01
[19:56] <etenil> is this new lifeless? Last time I created a branch I don't remember doing this
[19:56] <lifeless> not new, been this way for 6 years :)
[19:56] <etenil> oO
[19:57] <etenil> alright, I must have been mistaken then
[19:57] <etenil> I'll try
[20:12] <etenil> seems to have worked lifeless. Thanks for the help


[03:39] <len-dt> micahg, expect you are asleep by this time, but I have not been able to figure out why the two new metas are not on our ISO.
[03:40] <len-dt> Tested today's still the same. Do I need to ask Colin?
[03:41] <len-dt> The metas install fine after the ISO install.
[03:42] <len-dt> micahg, would a seed reroll fix that?
[03:43] <len-dt> Anyway, if there is anything I can do, leave a message here and I will read it in the morning if I don't see it tonight
[03:44] <len-dt> Oh micahg another thought, does the freeze effect this?
[20:26] <len-dt> scott-work, we now have the two new metas (photography and publishing)... however, they don't end up on the ISO.
[20:26] <len-dt> They do install fine after the ISO has been installed.
[21:21] <scott-work> len-dt: we probably need to add these two metas to the bottom of the desktop seed
[21:21] <scott-work> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.quantal/view/head:/desktop
[21:21] <len-dt> micahg, says we shouldn't have to... none of the other are
[21:22] <len-dt> For example the ubuntustudio-graphics is not
[21:22]  * len-dt used -graphics as his guide
[21:23] <len-dt> I could certainly add them if we don't get it figured out any other way though scott-work
[21:28] <len-dt> scott-work, why are we building precise?
[21:29]  * len-dt has to go get kids
[21:37] <scott-work> len-dt: it might be a hold over from the 12.04.1 builds, but i really don't know
[21:39] <scott-work> len-dt: i asked in -release and it looks like something might be wonky with the build machiens
[21:39] <scott-work> machines
[21:53] <len-dt> scott-work, ok.
[23:28] <smartboyhw> The cdimage failed to build because it failed retrieving release file...Hmm
[23:31] <smartboyhw> Oh it is a precise one....


[01:46] <chrissbx> Hi. I'm helpless trying to download the image with zsync.
[01:50] <chrissbx> Selecting zsync in the web interface then clicking the button downloads a .zsync file.
[01:52] <chrissbx> But zsync ...*zsync will say "I need to know the referring URL (the URL of the .zsync) in order to locate the download."
[01:53] <chrissbx> So I guess I'll have to go read the page source code. hu.
[01:55] <chrissbx> k going with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/releases/11.04/release/
[01:55] <Zinn> [cdimage.ubuntu.com] Mythbuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)
[01:55] <chrissbx> I guess someone should go fix that for (even more) helpless newbies.
[03:14] <qwebirc67637> good evening. i'm trying to install mythtv on my ubuntu 11.04 and am unable to get it started.
[03:27] <qwebirc67637> i installed the mythbuntu control  centre first
[10:46] <Shred00> anyone know where the scm for mythvideo is?
[10:56] <Shred00> nm.  was on the wrong branch
[11:13] <Shred00> is the mythbuntu source viewable on the web (akin to gitweb or github's browser)?
[14:02] <tgm4883> Shred00, yes it is, but what are you looking for?
[14:02] <tgm4883> cause it's in separate branches for different things
[14:03] <Shred00> tgm4883: no worries.  i was looking for the daily/weekly -fixes branch repo but i seem to have managed to build my own from myth's git sources anyway.
[14:03] <tgm4883> https://code.launchpad.net/mythbuntu
[14:03] <Zinn> [code.launchpad.net] Code : Mythbuntu
[14:03] <tgm4883> Thats where most the code is
[16:18] <dekarl> tgm4883: I've setup a fresh masterbackend on mythbuntu 11.04 + 0.25 and noticed some small issues that might confuse new users...
[16:18] <dekarl> When running the update after installing I was asked which version of the samba configuration I wanted to keep, seems like there is some customization that confuses the package.
[16:18] <dekarl> When running the xmltv setup in mythtv-setup everything is run as "the configured user" instead of "mythtv" which leads to issues with the acl (e.g. my grabber has a cache directory under ~/.xmltv/cache which it wants to write to) maybe the setup and backend can run under the same user?
[20:10] <dekarl> Another question, what is needed to readd the mcc plugin for the netboot server? I've read that it's only the configuration frontend that needs some kind of updating. As I use netbooting I thought I could revive it, but where do I find the old code, like plugins/ui/tab_diskless.ui ?
[20:21] <tgm4883> dekarl, the configuration frontend needs completely rewritten. Diskless was available before MCC was plugable, so there is no tab_diskless.ui file
[20:23] <tgm4883> dekarl, you would have to start digging through the code. I'm not entirely sure when the switchover to plugable was, but this revision does have the diskless stuff available  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre/files/186/MythbuntuControlCentre/
[20:23] <Zinn> [bazaar.launchpad.net] ~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre : files for revision 186
[20:50] <dekarl> tgm4883, thanks. I was looking at http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/U18n8yde1qQ8vQBOAW7K so I thought there should be such a file.
[20:50] <Zinn> [web.archiveorange.com] mythbuntu-common 0.32-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) - Karmic Koala archive upload notification list - ArchiveOrange
[21:19] <tgm4883> dekarl, hmm interesting
[21:19] <tgm4883> Maybe it was broken out at some point?
[21:19] <tgm4883> oh wait
[21:20] <tgm4883> thats the ui, yea there is the ui portion, but the code portion was built into MCC
[21:47] <chrissbx> This is the first time I'm trying mythbuntu. The installer CD starts booting, then after 10-20 seconds the computer just resets and starts anew (making the whole cycle endlessly).
[21:48] <chrissbx> This is on a ThinkPad T61, first I tried the 32 bit version of mythbuntu, now the 64bit, first on a DVD-R then on a CD-R, same result.
[21:48] <chrissbx> Any idea?


[01:29] <daftykins> Sony E3 briefing, hmm
[01:29] <daftykins> this No Man's Sky looks fun
[01:33] <diddledan> hmm, not sure about jupiter ascending. an interesting concept but I think it's more a prelude to a sequal than a movie in it's own right
[01:33] <diddledan> very procedural
[01:34] <diddledan> fun watch if you don't think about it tho
[01:35] <diddledan> it's got some nice music however
[01:37] <daftykins> :>
[01:37] <daftykins> that's on my list
[01:37] <diddledan> next-up methinks will be "kite"
[01:38] <diddledan> ref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2044801/
[01:53] <diddledan> this looks intriguing: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3244512/
[06:31] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[06:34] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[06:35] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[06:35]  * brobostigon has a funeral to go to this morning, so is getting his suit ready.
[06:37]  * knightwise wears a suit allmost every day
[06:38]  * brobostigon doesnt get to wear one that often. it feels abit strange.
[06:41]  * brobostigon also needs to find out a way, of pushing irssi notification to ubuntu touch in real time.
[06:42] <knightwise> hmm.. still need to go "full ubuntu phone" for a week and see how that works out for me
[06:42] <knightwise> but i'm a bit scared to do so µ
[06:42] <knightwise> I run my company off my phone
[06:45] <brobostigon> similerly, there are some curcial features required, like i mentioned above, most of my communication run through irssi.
[06:45] <brobostigon> crucial*
[06:46] <knightwise> Calendar , mail , contacts
[06:46] <knightwise> those are the three most important ones
[06:46] <brobostigon> yes.
[06:48] <brobostigon> pebble support would be good too, :)
[06:48] <knightwise> + i cant always rely on a data connection. Sometimes i'm abroad
[06:48] <knightwise> then some "offline syncing" would be nice
[06:48] <knightwise> cant always lean on html5 apps
[06:49] <brobostigon> definatly.
[06:50] <knightwise> But i love the battery life. and perhaps the absence of all those (mostly distracting) apps is not such a bad thing after all.
[06:51] <knightwise> Counting down the days untill my Dell XPS gets here
[06:52] <brobostigon> :) hehe
[06:52] <knightwise> been playing on the Surface Pro I use for my meetings; Also not a bad machine
[07:21] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:22] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:22] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:32] <brobostigon> now heres an idea, integrate xmpp/fb-messenger/hangouts/etc into messaging on ubuntu touch?
[08:07] <diplo> brobostigon, pidgin or jitsi can do that? Then again fb messenger and hangouts don't have public apis anymore ?
[08:07] <brobostigon> diplo: ok, let me see if they have ports to ubuntu touch.
[08:08] <diplo> I've seen people talking about it, that was a few weeks/month ago
[08:08] <diplo> But not seen any code
[08:08] <brobostigon> ok,
[08:15] <awilkins> diplo, Google chat still works for me from bitlbee (which I think is using XMPP)
[08:18] <awilkins> Although I'm told this is because there is a bridge from Google Talk to Hangouts
[08:30] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Fresh Veggies Day! 😃
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> ewww veggies
[08:56] <JamesTait> Funny that I just spent an hour in the garden.
[09:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: sunbathing isn't anything to do with fresh veg, nor is a water fight with the kids :P
[09:03] <JamesTait> Awww. :(
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> 🍆
[09:07] <popey> Happy birthday AlanBell
[09:11] <davmor2> Hippo Birdy Indeed Mr Bell :)
[09:16] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/121661216099/the-new-kernel-is-here
[09:25] <foobarry> SuperMatt: every post on that tumbler is brilliant
[09:26] <foobarry> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/118933329057/bash-ls-command-not-found
[09:35] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <SuperMatt> foobarry: I've had that one. not fun.
[09:42] <SuperMatt> it generally means that someone has done something remarkably messy
[09:43] <SuperMatt> as someone did the other day "mv / /home"
[09:45] <directhex> http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2015/06/16/ouyas-been-bought-out-by-razer
[09:46] <popey> indeed
[09:46] <davmor2> bigcalm: hey dude, how's life
[09:46] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2. Today it is noisey. Workmen are installing a pod of 6 desks at our office
[09:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: you expanding or something?
[09:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: looks like it
[09:47] <bigcalm> Hotdesking I believe
[09:49] <foobarry> what do lego call it?
[09:49] <foobarry> found some of that programme a bit :-|
[09:50] <foobarry> i suppose when you hire fans it can get rather cult-ish (google, lego, apple, etc)
[09:51] <foobarry> and then when you control staff begaviour...
[09:57] <foobarry> directhex: before you bin your touchpad..i heard 5.x is out for it
[09:57] <directhex> ebayed that ages ago
[09:57] <foobarry> heh
[09:57] <foobarry> get anything for it?
[09:57] <foobarry> mine has damaged case where i replaced the screen
[09:58] <foobarry> and is really slow for some reason
[11:19] <neeetz> I get this error everytime Processing was halted because there were too many errors. E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) , looks like there is some python package reoved from the system
[11:28] <directhex> neeetz: sounds like an issue with your package database. fixable, but hard to do remotely. if you can pastebin *complete* messages, and obey instructions *precisely*, it can be fixed
[11:30] <neeetz> directhex:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:31] <directhex> hm. python-minimal missing
[11:32] <directhex> 14.04
[11:32] <directhex> 32 or 64 bit?
[11:33] <neeetz> directhex:  64
[11:33] <directhex> download http://es.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python-defaults/python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb and try installing it with "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb"
[11:34] <neeetz> directhex:  dpkg won't work
[11:35] <directhex> remember what i said about complete messages?
[11:36] <neeetz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11724293/
[11:36] <neeetz> directhex:  i posted it
[11:36] <neeetz> :/
[11:36] <neeetz> directhex:  when i run dpkg
[11:36] <directhex> that's the output from "dpkg -i python-minimal_2.7.5-5ubuntu3_amd64.deb" ?
[11:37] <directhex> because to me, something beginning "Reading package lists... Done" is output from apt, not dpkg
[11:43] <neeetz> directhex:  done
[11:43] <neeetz> directhex:  i did dpkg , it installed
[11:44] <neeetz> directhex:  but when i do apt-get update , same error
[11:45] <directhex> update or upgrade?
[11:46] <directhex> i'm going to go and do my exercise in about 5 minutes. you have until then before i disappear for an hour
[11:48] <knightwise> damn. I just upgraded mps-youtube on my raspberry and now i'm getting a bunch of errors :(
[11:49] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/iKkiv9wS
[11:49] <popey> maybe install python-requests
[11:50] <knightwise> giving it a try
[11:51] <knightwise> nope :( same error
[11:51] <knightwise> hmm. i did the upgrade via pip install so .. it should work
[11:53] <popey> oh, no idea then
[11:53] <popey> you probably need to pip install some other nonsense then
[11:54] <knightwise> hmmm.. i'll check again.
[12:02] <knightwise> Found it. Needed to install newer version of pip
[12:03] <knightwise> pip-3.2 instead of "regular" pip
[14:05] <diddledan> quiet in here today
[14:06]  * zmoylan-pi waters the tumbleweed and listens to coyotes in distance...
[14:08] <diddledan> so I want a 4k display
[14:08] <diddledan> :-p
[14:08] <diddledan> hidpi ftw
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> then get mame running and play space invaders in 4k...
[14:12] <diddledan> does mame do upscaling?
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> it's not about the res it's about doing something silly to annoy others :-P
[14:13] <diddledan> lol
[14:13] <zmoylan-pi> make sure to point out the dolby system... :-D
[14:14] <diddledan> dolby +adlib
[14:14] <diddledan> i.e. adlib card emulation ouput on a dolby surround system
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> bonus points for getting zx spectrum games running on that rig... :-)
[14:52] <daftykins> just unboxed a Lenovo X1 carbon :O
[14:53] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl=
[14:53] <diddledan> win7?
[14:53] <daftykins> yeah it shipped with a downgrade
[14:53] <daftykins> Lenovo won't ship to us down here, so i had to go to dabs - they and most etailers seem to sell the win7 downgrade models
[14:54] <diddledan> well that's silly
[14:54] <diddledan> win8.1 is the new shiny :-p
[14:54] <daftykins> it's a turd and business knows it
[14:54] <diplo> Anyone tried Win10 preview ?
[14:54] <daftykins> but it will be better for this machine, given this is one of the WQHD models :o
[14:54] <daftykins> diplo: yep been using it for a long time
[14:55] <daftykins> been through 3 or 4 builds
[14:55] <diddledan> I'm on it right now
[14:55] <diddledan> I've been using it since the first release
[14:56] <diplo> Just debating whether to get the upgrade on work laptop or just leave it on 7
[14:56] <daftykins> no point taking action now, it'll be available for a year
[14:57] <daftykins> i suspect the upgrade installs will cause some drama for some :)
[14:57] <diddledan> and rtm will be out in 6 weeks
[15:03] <shauno> anyone in / overly familiar with southampton?
[15:06] <diplo> Not overly but can drive around it and through parts of it.. if you want street names no
[15:06] <diplo> :)
[15:07] <daftykins> :D
[15:07] <daftykins> i've flown in a few times over the years!
[15:07] <shauno> trying to figure my chances of getting from the airport to hamble in ~30 minutes
[15:07] <daftykins> well the train station is right beside, if that's any good to you
[15:07] <shauno> so mostly "how bad is the m27 at 10am on a friday"
[15:08] <shauno> yeah I was looking at that, but the train out from there is every 20 minutes
[15:08] <shauno> so it could be perfect, or I could be quite late, depending on which end of "every 20 minutes" I hit
[15:09] <diplo> shauno: M27 is fine at that sort of time imo
[15:09] <diplo> Any time between 7:30~ and 9 it's awful
[15:09] <shauno> hm.  I may chance it then
[15:10] <shauno> trying to decide if a taxi that morning will be quick enough, or if I have to arrive the night before and find somewhere to crash.  and it's close
[15:13] <ging> is there a way to get newer intel graphic driver on ubuntu 14.04 without upgrading to 14.10 ?
[15:14] <diddledan> why?
[15:14] <diddledan> you can install the HWE
[15:14] <diddledan> that's about it
[15:14] <ging> there is some drm problem which keeps shutting down the screen on my laptop
[15:17] <diddledan> drm as in digital restrictions management?
[15:17] <daftykins> ging: have you confirmed it's resolved in a newer mainline kernel?
[15:18] <ging> daftykins: no am just hoping new drivers would fix it
[15:18] <daftykins> ging: well that's what you'd get by throwing a newer kernel on to test :)
[15:18] <daftykins> !mainline
[15:18] <daftykins> maybe do a backup, try one... see if it solves anything
[15:20] <ging> daftykins: i've done nothing, it's a standard install
[15:21] <ging> there was a tool from intel which installs the latest drivers, except for some reason they only do it for the lastest distro
[15:21] <diddledan> DON'T DO THAT
[15:21] <ging> they have withdrawn the 14.04 one
[15:22] <diddledan> hardware drivers direct from the manufacturer invariably mess-up ubuntu - only use drivers provided by the ubuntu repos
[15:25] <daftykins> ging: never run any of those intel installers :P
[15:27] <directhex> i know who writes the intel installer
[15:27] <directhex> he's a good dev
[15:29] <ging> do you know why they revoke the old ones?
[15:30] <ging> seems a bit odd, unless they become redundant because the latest working driver gets build in
[15:32] <daftykins> directhex: does that change it being wise to apply to an ubuntu installation?
[15:32] <directhex> it should be harmless if it's not helpful
[15:33] <directhex> ging: bingo
[15:33] <daftykins> just gets peoples systems into a mess when trying to help in #ubuntu
[15:38] <diplo> https://letsencrypt.org/2015/06/16/lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html
[15:41] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Woo!
[15:43] <diddledan> nice that "A cross-signature from IdenTrust will be in place for general availability, so that our certificates will validate automatically for the vast majority of consumers." - means they don't need to wait for beaurocracy of the various browsers
[15:51] <bujji> how i can build my won distro?
[15:52] <directhex> if you need to ask...
[15:52] <diddledan> bujji: www.linuxfromscratch.com
[15:52] <diddledan> or maybe .org
[15:52] <bujji> .com is not working
[15:53] <diddledan> if you mean "spin of ubuntu" then that's not creating your own distro
[15:53] <bujji> spin of ubunntu ?
[15:53] <directhex> diddledan: is steamos a distro? where's the line?
[15:54] <directhex> bujji: what do you *actually* want to achieve, exactly?
[15:54] <diddledan> directhex: I guess the line is if you're providing custom packages or not
[15:54] <directhex> diddledan: add one PPA to the defaults, you count as a distro?
[15:54] <diddledan> directhex: no
[15:55] <bujji> directhex:how i can build my own distro.?
[15:55] <directhex> bujji: what do you think that actually means?
[15:55] <directhex> bujji: what is your understanding of what a distro is, and what it contains?
[15:56] <directhex> and in what way do you want to deviate from what already exists?
[15:57] <bujji> directhex:how i can build this ubuntu dtribuion
[15:58] <directhex> what would you like to do to ubuntu? add things? remove things? change existing things?
[15:58] <diddledan> directhex: I think the line is somewhat blurry - I suggest that the difference between spin and distro is 1) philosophical and personal, 2) dependant on how much you change from a base distro if you're subclassing
[15:58] <shauno> LFS actually isn't a bad suggestion for bujji I think
[15:59] <diddledan> shauno: \o/
[15:59] <directhex> shauno: you don't know that. they haven't made it even slightly clear what they want to achieve
[15:59] <diddledan> directhex: he's a regular offender
[15:59] <bashrc> Donald Trump running for president, apparently
[15:59] <shauno> I've been talking to him on and off for days now.  I'm pretty convinced he's not actually trying to achieve anything, just trying to understand as much as he can
[16:00] <diddledan> at least this time it's actually on-topic rather than random financial questions
[16:00] <daftykins> lol.
[16:00] <daftykins> i missed those
[16:01] <bujji> diddledan:offender..am  did anything wrong?
[16:01] <diddledan> bujji: no, it's just a turn-of-phrase
[16:04] <bujji> shauno:yes,i am knowing things...if i know then  can apply..you people already did some of the things you can suggest me the way to achieve ))
[16:09] <bujji> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K-iUJgFhWA
[16:13] <daftykins> and off he goes
[16:18] <directhex> "what exactly are you trying to achieve" is *such* a hard question for beginners @_@
[16:19] <shauno> I genuinely thing he's not trying to achieve anything
[16:20] <shauno> we spent *hours* going over hardlinks and symlinks without the slightest hint of practical application
[16:20] <diddledan> I suggest that sometimes it's important to work out what you can get away with not knowing
[16:21] <diddledan> i.e. I've never looked at kernel development because I don't need to know about it
[16:22] <diddledan> that "i.e." would probably read better as an "e.g." :-)
[17:18] <brobostigon> ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work?
[17:26] <diddledan> could you try rephrasing that?
[17:29] <brobostigon> sudo aptitude install telepathy-gabble
[17:31] <davmor2> brobostigon: are you in the right window or are you losing the arguement with yourself ;)
[17:32] <brobostigon> davmor2: wouldnt that work though, because if messaging picks up on telepathy, adding that, would give it that ability?
[17:34] <davmor2> brobostigon: we have no idea what you want to do. Yes you can add it you then need a client to use it ie empathy, then you need to talk to accounts to use it which means you need to install accounts-gabble or something like that
[17:35] <davmor2> the telepathy stuff is just backend
[17:36] <diddledan> I'm surprised xmpp isn't availble in empathy already
[17:36] <diddledan> afaict it should be default
[17:37] <davmor2> brobostigon: APT-Manual-Installed: yes on apt show telepathy-gabble
[17:37] <brobostigon> davmor2: good point, i am aiming for xmpp to show, ie, you add an xmpp acount like the other, and then messages from said xmpp to show in messages.
[17:37] <davmor2> brobostigon: so open empathy
[17:37] <brobostigon> others*
[17:37] <davmor2> brobostigon: add your account and done
[17:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: it's installed by default
[17:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: right next :)
[17:38] <brobostigon> davmor2: so i can run empathy on ubuntu touch?
[17:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: you said nothing about ubuntu touch
[17:39] <brobostigon> 17:18:34 < brobostigon> ok, question, form my research, messaging in ubuntu touch uses telepathy, so why not  just add the telepathy xmpp modules, could work?
[17:39] <brobostigon> i did,
[17:39] <ali1234> it was literally the first line ^
[17:39] <davmor2> brobostigon: oh sorry my mistake misread it
[17:39] <brobostigon> davmor2: no worries.
[17:40] <davmor2> brobostigon: no you would still need a client.  there is no chat client
[17:40] <ali1234> so a more interesting question, is can we rip the excellent skype/empathy libraries from an N900 and use those on ubuntu touch?
[17:40] <davmor2> ali1234: possibly
[17:40] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats what i am trying to solve, and make it consistant with the rest of the messaging.
[17:41] <ali1234> in theory that's the whole point of empathy
[17:41] <ali1234> makes all the different chat services appear in one place
[17:41] <davmor2> brobostigon: so theoretically it's possible
[17:42] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats what i thought, and am thinking of ways to achieve it.
[17:43] <ali1234> wait
[17:43] <ali1234> i'm getting them mixed up
[17:43] <ali1234> telepathy is the lib, empathy is the ui?
[17:43] <diddledan> ali1234: yes
[17:43] <ali1234> so does ubuntu touch have a telepathy UI by default?
[17:44] <brobostigon> because, it would be better, to not have a seperate xmpp client, but have everything consistantly together, rather than to seperate apps for the same job.
[17:44] <ali1234> maybe empathy, maybe something else?
[17:46] <diddledan> grr @ putin - gonna ADD 40 additional nuclear ballistics
[17:47]  * brobostigon is making a list, of issues he needs to file.
[17:50]  * brobostigon likes making lists.
[17:51]  * diddledan adds brobostigon to "the list"
[17:51] <diddledan> (people I'm going to murdorise)
[17:51] <diddledan> :-p
[17:51]  * brobostigon is all sad now, he dont want to be murdered.
[17:51] <diddledan> well it serves you right for making lists :-D
[17:52] <brobostigon> eh, :)
[17:52] <diddledan> everyone who makes lists gets on my list of people to bump-off
[17:52] <brobostigon> does that include david cameron?
[17:52] <diddledan> defo
[17:52]  * brobostigon approves.
[17:53] <diddledan> he's the worst list-maker
[17:53] <shauno> just make sure to put yourself at the bottom of your own list.  if you're at the top it doesn't work so well
[17:53] <diddledan> oh.
[17:53] <diddledan> hmm.
[17:53] <diddledan> dammit.
[17:54] <diddledan> ffs. der spiegel is reporting that websites are responsible for insults made by their users
[17:55] <daftykins> :/
[17:55] <diddledan> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/gerichtshof-urteilt-zu-beleidigungen-in-nutzerforen-a-1039058.html
[17:55] <daftykins> that's ridiculous
[17:55] <diddledan> it's also germany that's insisting that copyright means that if I want to link to der spiegel I've got to pay der spiegel for the privilege
[17:56] <diddledan> so I owe them monies for the link I just popped above
[17:57] <diddledan> o_O graham clueless is suggesting emoji passwords as a solution to someone guessing your password
[17:58] <diddledan> (beware, I am about to owe someone else monies for linking!): http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/security-data-protection/could-emoji-passwords-be-safer-for-online-bank-users/
[18:01]  * knightwise thinks what the emoji for "piece of sh*t-pizza" would look like
[18:02] <diddledan> surely that's just a combo of the "pizza slice" emoji with the "pile of poo" emoji?
[18:03] <shauno> 💩🍕?
[18:03] <diddledan> >.<
[18:03] <diddledan> I can't read that
[18:03] <diddledan> windows ftl
[18:03] <shauno> that's okay.  you have no functional requirement to read my passwords :)
[18:04] <shauno> (and emoji passwords don't need some fantastic tech someone has to announce.  just handle utf properly)
[18:05] <intrbiz> i'd be interested if by people constructing a story would introduce a statistical bias and thus weakness
[18:05] <diddledan> I really don't understand why websites and such don't just pass the raw data into the encyprtion routines instead of insisting that they be valid ascii
[18:06] <shauno> my theory is the harder systems try to be clever, the harder they go wrong
[18:06] <shauno> like claiming my 22-digit passwords aren't secure because they don't contain letters.  or worse, that they're too long
[18:06] <intrbiz> shauno: isn't that just restating systems theory
[18:07] <diddledan> I hate those systems that claim for a secure password I must not use symbols and be less than 15 characters
[18:09] <intrbiz> cough verified by visa
[18:10] <intrbiz> banning non-alphanumerics irritates me the most
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> 7-bit ASCII only!
[18:11] <davmor2> ali1234: telepathy and mission-control are on the phone and desktop by default
[18:12] <davmor2> brobostigon: in theory you could include telepathy-gable and make a basic chat client window that talks to it
[18:13] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats what i had in mind as well.
[18:43] <davmor2> brobostigon: there is talk of adding functions to the messaging app as a kinda all in one chat client and the same for telepathy-sofiasip and the dialer app but I have no idea how far off that is
[18:44] <brobostigon> davmor2: thats an interesting idea.
[19:03] <brobostigon> davmor2: do us normals humans, have a chance to look at all this?
[19:04] <brobostigon> normal*
[19:04] <Azelphur> Hey folks, I created /etc/init/deluged.conf and now sudo service deluged start says unrecognized service, any ideas?
[19:04] <Azelphur> is there something Ihave to do to make upstart aware of it?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes... I think so
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> but I'm on a systemd machine atm so I can't really check
[20:31] <diddledan_> chris evans is the jeremy clarkson replacement?
[20:31] <daftykins> *entire
[20:32] <brobostigon> yep.
[20:32] <brobostigon> apparently.
[20:36] <awilkins_> WELCOME TO GINGER TOPGEAR
[20:41] <brobostigon> lolx v.x~
[20:41] <brobostigon> ~ = infinate.
[20:58] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727205/ - what's making grub-mkconfig trip up on each of the functions within /etc/default/grub ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/
[20:59] <daftykins> (i refer to line 27's return code 127)
[21:26] <diddledan_> daftykins: what's in /etc/default/grub?
[21:26] <diddledan_> daftykins: it should be bash script
[21:26] <daftykins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727153/
[21:26] <daftykins> this apparently :S
[21:26] <diddledan_> yeah that looks wrong
[21:27] <diddledan_> hang on, let me boot an ubuntu
[21:27] <daftykins> yeah somehow this user has had the file substitute the normal looking 'grub'
[21:28] <diddledan_> somehow being they either did something wrong or followed incorrect advice
[21:28] <diddledan_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727334/
[21:28] <diddledan_> that's mine
[21:29] <daftykins> *nod* gonna throw in a default and run sudo update-grub i think
[21:37] <diddledan> dangit
[21:37] <daftykins> diddledan: yep replace and update-grub sorted it
[21:37] <daftykins> diddledan: Lenovo X1 Carbon clean install - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ddj93shalr5m9v5/IMG_20150616_223246.jpg?dl=0
[21:37] <daftykins> :D
[21:38] <diddledan> jaybers
[22:39] <diddledan> hmm: http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/monitors/4kuhdmonitors/210-acok.html
[22:41] <daftykins> if it's TN - don't touch, if it's IPS - go ahead
[22:41] <daftykins> ah hit spec page
[22:41] <diddledan> TN?
[22:41] <daftykins> yep that's TN, that'll suck
[22:41] <daftykins> Twisted Neumatic, a type of LCD
[22:42] <daftykins> they're the ones where the colours invert very quickly at different viewing angles
[22:42] <daftykins> so they're only good when looking straight on
[22:42] <daftykins> In Plane Switching (IPS) are way better from all angles
[23:07] <daftykins> heh was just looking up videos of this French telco to find out how you pronounce it
[23:07] <daftykins> off the islands here you can sometimes see "FR Bouygues"
[23:08] <ali1234> "bogeys"
[23:08] <daftykins> no :P
[23:08] <daftykins> though that's what a client was claiming XD
[23:09] <ali1234> yes, but it annoys them
[23:09] <daftykins> seems they just say 'Bwee'


[00:12] <IdleOne> maybe #ubuntu-studio
[00:12] <IdleOne> little late now
[00:39] <hypatia> #math
[00:39] <bazhang> larious seems to be confused or trolling
[00:40] <rww> #calcu... j/k
[00:40] <bazhang> calcujk?
 seems familiar
[03:48] <rww> same person as tunnel1 earlier, at least.
 {ever been virtually raped by a cyberbot before}?
[04:56] <Illuminati> Dear, I need your help to put order in # ubuntu in Brazil, things are getting serious out there, such as insults and words of homophobia and racism, I count on your help, as already reported abuse and nothing was done.
[04:56] <Pianesi> I know you dont know me at all. And i undernstand the answer you probably are going to give me is no. But, im 15 yrs old...and my domain expires tommorow. Do you think there is a way that i can borrow 8 bucks to renew it and ill pay you back wendsday? Please?
[04:57] <Illuminati> The channel is #ubuntu-br
[04:57] <rww> Illuminati: #ubuntu-irc for LoCo channel problems. #ubuntu-ops is for core channels.
[04:57] <Illuminati> ok
[05:04] <hypatia> Pianesi: you can probably renew your domain without losing it for a few days after it expires
[05:04] <hypatia> Pianesi: for .com it's 30 days before it goes into redemption, i think
[06:20] <genii-around> Can someone grab user ubuntu in #k ? i don't have any command aliases on my netbook yet for op stuff
[06:23] <rww> genii-around: /msg chanserv op #kubuntu rww and tell me what you want doing
[06:23] <Tm_T> what is it?
[06:24] <rww> ah, nvm, real op ^ :)
[06:24] <genii-around> spanish user not understanding /join #ubuntu-es and basically spamming. but I'm tired and no command aliases here yet as explained, etc
[06:25] <Tm_T> he stopped so maybe he succeeded
[06:25] <Tm_T> no...
[06:28] <genii-around> Tm_T: Thanks
[07:57] <rww> What would be the easiest way to poke Canonical people to modify irclogs.ubuntu.com so that it uses rel="nofollow" as an attribute to external links?
[08:04] <hypatia> rt
[08:04] <hypatia> rww: easiest, not sure if it's most likely to succeed though ;)
[08:05] <rww> I'm thinking "make patch, email to RT, pester a Canonical employee every time I see URL spam in #ubuntu until RT ticket is actioned"
[08:07] <hypatia> rww: did they roll their own irc logging thingy or is it something that should go upstream?
[08:15] <Tm_T> hypatia: IIRC it's just irssi with http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/
[08:15] <hypatia> heh
[08:15] <Tm_T> and something
[08:15] <hypatia> should be a dead-easy fix then
[08:16] <popey> the pages have that url on them :)
[08:16] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/03/%23edubuntu.html for example :)
[08:16] <popey> which confirms that
[08:16] <Tm_T> that's how I know about it
[10:22] <moelman> oh I see I can access one of the ubuntu channels I found thats interesting.
[10:22] <moelman> wondering y not the main one.
[10:27] <genii-around> moelman: If you do not have an issue which requires channel moderator attention ( like you are appealing a ban in one of the #ubuntu channels or so ) then this channel is not one you were likely looking for.
[10:28] <moelman> but I cant get into #ubuntu
[10:28] <genii-around> @btlogin
[10:29] <Flannel> moelman: What's your IP address?
[10:29] <moelman> genii-around: what does that mean
[10:29] <moelman> Flannel: hold on just looking
[10:29] <moelman> Flannel: just who is me
[10:29] <genii-around> moelman: It means I am looking to see if you are banned or not
[10:30] <Flannel> moelman: No, you've got a cloak, please whois yourself and give me the hostname you're connecting from (you can query me if you would prefer it to remain private)
[10:30] <moelman> Flannel: ok I dont know how to do that myself
[10:30] <Flannel> moelman: You'll see a line "is connected from yadda-yadda"
[10:31] <Flannel> moelman: /whois moelman
[10:35] <moelman> Flannel: ok I om you
[10:47] <moelman> Flannel: any luck on that please
[10:47] <moelman> I did pm
[10:47] <Flannel> moelman: Trying to sort it out
[10:47] <moelman> ok thankw alot
[10:48] <ikonia> wiat
[10:48] <ikonia> this is it-me-again
[10:48] <ikonia> telling lies
[10:48] <ikonia> this ban will not be removed
[10:49] <ikonia> meowbuntu/its-me-again/hideho
[10:49] <genii-around> Ah, chronic offender
[10:49] <ikonia> please stop waisting this teams time, if you attempt to gain access to ubuntu channels again by deception I'll report this to freenode for them to deal with as a network issue
[10:50] <ikonia> moelman: please leave now
[10:52] <ikonia> moelman: if you don't respond I'll progress this with freenode as this is a persistant issue with you
[11:31] <jpds> Hm.
[11:31] <ikonia> looking
[11:35] <jpds> Bored.
[11:40] <Frots> jpds: ikonia told me to come in here, since you are not replying to my query
[11:42] <Frots> !ops
[11:42] <LjL> Frots: not a good idea ;(
[11:42] <Frots> I dont get this stuff
[11:42] <Frots> LjL: what you mean?
[11:42] <LjL> Frots: !ops is only for emergencies, please don't use it like that
[11:43] <LjL> Frots: are you banned from #ubuntu?
[11:43] <Frots> LjL: \yes, and ikonia told me I should come in here since the ban is incorrect
[11:43] <ikonia> no I didn't
[11:43] <ikonia> I said you speak to jpds
[11:43] <Frots> I already tried querying the operator in private
[11:43] <ikonia> I didn't say the ban was incorrect
[11:44] <Frots> ikonia: I didnt say you said that
[11:44] <ikonia> just clarifying,
[11:44] <Frots> sorry man :)
[11:44] <ikonia> not a problem
[11:45] <Frots> anyway LjL, jpds is not even replying anywhere
[11:45] <Frots> :s
[11:45] <Frots> And my problem is still not fixed
[11:45] <Frots> never shouldve made the switch :(
[11:45] <LjL> Frots: i suspect he's not around, however i think the idea is that you should try speaking to him when he's around before another op deals with the problem
[11:46] <Frots> LjL: but he just banned me 5 minutes ago
[11:46] <Frots> so I think he should be around
[11:46] <LjL> Frots: maybe wait here some 10 minutes (i don't suppose we'll die if he idles here for 10 minutes, right?)
[11:46] <Frots> what is it with this linux irc community. it seems it is not allowed to be new
[11:47] <Frots> LjL: that is true
[11:47] <Frots> I have pateince\
[11:47] <Frots> (not the game)
[11:47] <LjL> Frots: well i haven't read the logs too carefully yet, but it seems there was trolling going on, where you didn't seem new
[11:48] <ikonia> you have been banned before a few times
[11:48] <Frots> I didnt even know about trolling since I just googled it
[11:48] <Frots> ikonia: impossible
[11:48] <ikonia> as part of the older archlinux group who used to come in trolling
[11:48] <ikonia> ok - now that's a lie
[11:48] <LjL> Frots: besides, even if you're new, how can you possibly believe using swearwords on the bot and giving malicious commands is ok?
[11:49] <Frots> LjL: I read fsck
[11:49] <Frots> so I said fuck
[11:49] <Frots> I thought he made a typo
[11:49] <LjL> :|
[11:49] <Frots> that isnt really swearing is it?
[11:49] <Frots> ikonia: archlinux?
[11:49] <Frots> how is that a lie
[11:49] <Frots> you are confusing man
[11:50] <ikonia> archlinus, yes a linux distribution and irc channel
[11:50] <ikonia> linux
[11:50] <ikonia> I've banned you personally before
[11:50] <Frots> must be within 2 weeks
[11:50] <ikonia> no
[11:50] <Frots> I didnt even know irc before lol
[11:50] <ikonia> ok - I'm going to leave this here now as I won't deal with lies
[11:51] <Frots> ikonia: I think you confuse me with soimeone else
[11:51] <ikonia> mp
[11:51] <ikonia> no, I don't
[11:51] <Frots> ikonia: how come I dont know you then?
[11:52] <LjL> short memory?
[11:52] <Frots> this is not funny anylonger
[11:52] <ikonia> Frots: your account has been on freenode since 2008 - so stop wasting this channels time and leave
[11:53] <ikonia> Frots: please leave, if you ever want to discuss it with out time wasting lies, you're welcome back
[11:53] <Frots> ikonia: seriously
[11:53] <ikonia> yes
[11:53] <ikonia> good bye
[11:53] <Frots> this is not my machine
[11:53] <ikonia> bye now
[11:53] <LjL> Frots: and that's another lie
[11:53] <Frots> LjL: how do you know that?
[11:53] <Frots> (im in a internet cafe btw)
[11:54] <ikonia> please leave this channel
[11:54] <Frots> ikonia: I will if I can join #ubuntu again
[11:55] <ikonia> no
[11:55] <LjL> Frots: i predict that ban will not be lifted anytime soon
[11:55] <ikonia> please leave now, you will not be unbanned
[11:55] <Frots> that is not possible, please read my last message
[11:55] <ikonia> Frots: type /part - it is possible
[11:56] <Frots> come one guys: -- | You have been invited to #ubuntu by FloodBot2
[11:56] <Frots> this is not funny
[11:56] <ikonia> !ops
[11:58] <genii-around> Frots: Floodbot1 actually
[11:59] <Frots> genii-around: ? that message is what I got
[11:59] <ikonia> Frots: I apologise for the message floodbot sent you, however it won't change anything so please leave this cahnnel
[12:01] <Frots> ikonia: apology accepted. If nothing changes, nothing changes
[12:01] <ikonia> thank you, now please leave the channel
[12:04] <ikonia> Frots: do you understand that I'm asking you to leave the channel ?
[12:04] <Frots> ikonia: yes
[12:04] <ikonia> Frots: why are you not leavine ?
[12:04] <Frots> ikonia: I already told you I wouldn't, it is freenode :)
[12:04] <ikonia> leaving
[12:04] <Frots> I will be quiet now
[12:04] <ikonia> why are you always a problem user
[12:05] <ikonia> this is such a waste of time
[12:05] <Frots> ikonia: I just want support like the rest, equally
[12:05] <Frots> I know I can get annoying if people are being hosytile to me
[12:05] <ikonia> yes, but that's not going to happen, you have been banned multiple times, so it's not going to happen
[12:05] <Frots> just dont act so hostile :)
[12:05] <Frots> every time same story
[12:05] <ikonia> you have wasted our time by telling lies in here, so you will not be unbanned
[12:06] <Frots> get over yourself :)
[12:06] <Frots> elitists
[12:06] <ikonia> ok, at least you've now confirmed your lies, so we can %100 end it
[12:07] <Frots> ikonia: where did I confirm anything?
[12:07] <ikonia> Frots: you said it's always the same
[12:07] <ikonia> meaning this has happened before
[12:07] <Frots> yes
[12:07] <Frots> well first time on IRC
[12:07] <ikonia> earlier you said you had only just started using irc
[12:07] <ikonia> anyway, I'll leave it there
[12:08] <Frots> ikonia: these things happen on internet man
[12:08] <Frots> the www
[12:08] <ikonia> Tabmow: could you please remove frots from this channel,
[12:09] <ikonia> Tabmow: none of our team with +o are available
[12:10] <Tabmow> Frots: are you being nasty?
[12:10] <LjL> no, he's new to IRC
[12:10] <Frots> Tabmow: I was asking for help, I got the answer anyway now
[12:10]  * LjL ducks
[12:10] <ikonia> you are refusing to leave the channel
[12:10] <ikonia> you are telling lies to this channel,
[12:10] <ikonia> the conversation is over,
[12:10] <Frots> er,m
[12:10] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[12:11] <Frots> why?
[12:11] <ikonia> because the process of ban resolution has ended
[12:11] <jpds> Frots: See /topic.
[12:11] <Frots> /topic
[12:11] <Frots> hmm
[12:11] <LjL> oh please
[12:11] <ikonia> as I've told you
[12:11] <Frots> ah
[12:11] <Frots> didnt read it
[12:11] <Frots> sorry
[12:11] <ikonia> Tabmow: could you please assist us by removing this user from the channel
[12:11] <Tabmow> Frots: if your issue has been dealt with then you can leave, it's part f the process and makes it easier for ops to deal with people.
[12:12] <Frots> Tabmow: yeah I understand
[12:12] <Frots> would be easier if ikonia just explained it :)
[12:12] <ikonia> it was explained
[12:12] <ikonia> and you confirmed you understood
[12:12] <Frots> ikonia: leave it man
[12:12] <Frots> that is just lies
[12:13] <ikonia> Tabmow: assistance please, this is a waste of time
[12:13] <Frots> anyway
[12:13] <Frots> thank you for you time Tabmow
[12:13] <Tabmow> Frots: thanks, bye.
[12:13] <LjL> [12:54:07] <ikonia> please leave this channel   [12:54:51] <Frots> ikonia: I will if I can join #ubuntu again[12:55:06] <ikonia> no   [12:55:10] <LjL> Frots: i predict that ban will not be lifted anytime soon   [12:55:17] <ikonia> please leave now, you will not be unbanned   [12:55:44] <Frots> that is not possible, please read my last message[12:55:55] <ikonia> Frots: type /part - it is possible
[12:13] <LjL> just so nobody thinks ikonia is the one lying...
[12:13] <ikonia> thank you
[12:14] <ikonia> appreciated
[12:14] <LjL> now in -ot
[12:14] <Tabmow> no problems
[12:15] <ikonia> LjL: obvious that was coming, but the pre-emptive ban stuff stops it
[12:16] <LjL> at least now i have your public key without having to look it up on launchpad!
[12:16] <ikonia> ?
[12:16] <ikonia> ahh, is that what he pasted ?
[12:16] <LjL> i thought so
[12:16] <ikonia> not my key
[12:16] <marienz> why was he pasting an ssh pubkey?
[12:16] <LjL> it says Matthew Darcy
[12:17] <LjL> i have no idea, some retaliation against ikonia i assumed
[12:17] <ikonia> oh wait, is my public key
[12:17] <jpds> So... that makes no sense.
[12:17] <ikonia> people can put that on their machines if they would like me to have access :)
[12:18] <ikonia> I think he's missed the point of the word "public key"
[12:19] <genii-around> Well, daybreak just now here. Regardless of coffee intake I need to head to bed. Good night all
[12:23] <ikonia> can we help you ubuntuNots ?
[12:23] <ikonia> frots again
[13:23] <jussi> Good afternoon peoples
[13:38] <ikonia> hello llua
[13:38] <llua> hi
[13:38] <ikonia> how can we help you today ?
[13:38] <Tm_T> I presume you're here due to a banforward I did set some time ago
[13:39] <ikonia> ah, I'll leave that to you then Tm_T
[13:40] <llua> i was banned from where?
[13:40] <Tm_T> one moment, I have to doublecheck this
[13:43] <Tm_T> llua: indeed, a banforward it is, I did set it because of your quit message, so we can discuss it
[13:44] <llua> i was just there. like no less then 5 mins ago.
[13:44] <llua> when was i banned?
[13:44] <Tm_T> Mar 31
[13:45] <Tm_T> so apparently I have failed with the banmask, but no worries
[13:47] <Tm_T> llua: all I'm after is that you agree you won't anymore do quitmessages like "Quit: <pronto> i like my women how i like my filesystems ... FAT and 16"
[14:35] <nicofs> Hello. I was banned from #ubuntu - can i get that somehow revoked?
[14:37] <IdleOne> nicofs: I see in the logs it says you were asking offtopic questions
[14:37] <IdleOne> about ARM
[14:38] <IdleOne> Can I trust you understand what #ubuntu is for and what the channel supports?
[14:38] <nicofs> IdleOne, well, in a way, i did at first, but i changed my approach...
[14:38] <IdleOne> nicofs: give me just a moment to read a little more here
[14:39] <nicofs> IdleOne, please do so....
[14:41] <IdleOne> nicofs: I will remove the ban with the condition that you agree to stick to the channel topic
[14:41] <IdleOne> agreed?
[14:42] <IdleOne> that includes not asking about unsupported architectures
[14:42] <nicofs> IdleOne, in principle, yes - but I still don't see why a generic problem becomes off-topic as soon as it happens on an arm-architecture...
[14:42] <IdleOne> because there is a generic ##linux channel
[14:43] <IdleOne> #Ubuntu only supports Ubuntu and the official derivatives
[14:43] <IdleOne> arm is not yet official.
[14:44] <IdleOne> like mneptok had explained to you if/when it does become an officially support arch we will support that also
[14:45] <nicofs> So if i want to learn/ask about xrandr/gdm/xorg in general, that's also off-topic in #ubuntu?
[14:45] <IdleOne> nicofs: you went through this before with mneptok. general linux questions can be asked in ##linux
[14:46] <IdleOne> if it is directly related to ubuntu I suppose yes you can ask about that
[14:46] <IdleOne> but only on arches that are supported
[14:47] <nicofs> IdleOne, i think this is some sort of grey area... that rationale would make approx. 80% of questions asked generic linux questions and off-topic
[14:47] <IdleOne> nicofs: which is why we ask people to use common sense.
[14:48] <nicofs> IdleOne, maybe my common sense is a bit off in that respect...
[14:48] <IdleOne> nicofs: you appear to me to be bright enough to know when and where to ask questions and if in doubt you are always welcome to come back here to make sure.
[14:49] <IdleOne> The ban has been removed. Please join #ubuntu to make sure I got it right.
[14:50] <nicofs> IdleOne, i'm back there - thanks. Maybe there should be a clear guideline as to what is on/off-topic. Because i don't think the current one is too clear...
[14:51] <IdleOne> nicofs: it would be nice to have such a list.
[14:54] <IdleOne> nicofs: apparently there is a #ubuntu-arm
[14:54] <IdleOne> perhaps the people there would be able to help you
[14:54] <LjL> nicofs: Ubuntu technical support questions are on-topic. aside from the question of whether ARM is official, in general, questions about "please explain to me the architecture of X" are not on-topic, and would be better asked in ##linux
[14:55] <LjL> that was just an example by the way, i'm not saying that's what you asked, i have no idea
[14:57] <nicofs> LjL, i know too well that ARM-architecture is beyond the scope of normal ubuntu support. but i still don't believe that all issues on an ARM system are ARM specific... if i go to #ubuntu-arm to ask them how to set up my network printer they'd surely refer me back to #ubuntu...
[14:57] <nicofs> (i didn't try, though...)
[14:58] <jussi> nicofs: I think we all agree there
[14:58] <IdleOne> probably would, unless setting up a printer on arm is majorly different.
[15:00] <IdleOne> nicofs: this is where the common sense thing comes into play. use your best judgement and things should be fine and if someone redirects you to a different channel, try that channel, don't argue with them.
[15:00] <LjL> nicofs, ok but then some questions about Linux Mint (or Backtrack or other Ubuntu or Debian derivatives) may not be specific to the distribution, and they could as well be answered by an Ubuntu user. the issue is, how do we know in advance? there may be some difference we aren't aware of. so things that are not [official] Ubuntu aren't supported.
[15:02] <nicofs> the thing is: with some problems you don't see if they are related to architecture or not without working on them... and as far as knowledge and experience goes #ubuntu is a very good resource...
[15:04] <LjL> nicofs: in that case, do what IdleOne said - try asking, and if it's not ARM-dependant someone will likely try to answer, but if someone redirects you because you're not using actual Ubuntu, they have a valid reason to do that as well, so avoid arguing that. if something actually is a grey area, then the only way to deal with it is by common sense.
[15:05] <nicofs> i googled my problem and found that users of supported architectures have the same problem - i had hoped someone who solved it was at ubuntu... but i somehow clashed with the wrong person...
[15:06] <LjL> nicofs: i could tell you to check whether someone is an op before arguing, but that's not really fair, the right thing is to either respect their advice regardless if you think they're right, or attempt to solve the disagreement in PM otherwise, don't you think :P
[15:07] <IdleOne> arguing in the channel is never good
[15:08] <nicofs> Well, i got kicked with the words "game over" - that shows a lot doesn't it? apparently to some being op is a game of showing who's in power - to me it's trying to get help...
[15:09] <IdleOne> nicofs: ops are human also, we don't always chose our kick messages perfectly.
[15:09] <LjL> nicofs: well, if you feel that way about the specific incident, you probably should try talking about it with mneptok when he's around
[15:14] <nicofs> hmm... i don't think that would lead anywhere... maybe i should just avoid #ubuntu in future...
[15:15] <LjL> nicofs: that's your choice, but to me you seem like a reasonable person who could easily manage not to get banned while at the same time being able to get help in the channel, so i think it would be your less
[15:16] <IdleOne> would also be a shame to lose a user who could probably help out in #ubuntu also
[15:17] <nicofs> LjL, well in that case my reason was off, wasn't it? And so far I have never been banned for such a trivial thing (i consider it to be)...
[15:17] <IdleOne> the reason for the ban was not the offtopic question but the arguing if it was offtopic
[15:19] <IdleOne> anyway, I think we can agree that we will all try harder to be better? :)
[15:20] <nicofs> maybe in some cases one should just agree to disagree and leave it at that...
[15:20] <IdleOne> we could do that also
[15:22] <nicofs> hmm... maybe i overstepped a bit. anyhow - i have to do some work now and since i shouldn't idle here ill leave the channel...
[15:22] <IdleOne> have a good day
[15:22] <nicofs> thanks, same to you
[15:22] <IdleOne> thank you
[15:22]  * mneptok yawns
[15:22] <mneptok> good morning
[15:24] <IdleOne> morning mneptok
[15:24] <mneptok> salut!
[15:24] <IdleOne> sleep well?
[15:25] <mneptok> as well as can be expected, given the boogeyman under my bed.
[15:28] <IdleOne> You know we have cookies and coffee in the semi secret logged op channel
[15:30] <mneptok> yes, and as soon as i can afford more RAM to keep up with requisite IRC windows, i'll /join :)
[15:31] <IdleOne> Don't expect us to save you any cookies :)
[15:32] <mneptok> no one ever does, so why start now? ;)
[15:32] <mneptok> oh, and may i just say ....
[15:33] <jussi> :( no cookies for me - Im on a low carb diet.
[15:33] <mneptok> HUSKIES! CONNECICUT HUSKIES! CONNECTICUT H-U-S-K-I-E-S!
[15:52] <jussi> you know, I found a peanut butter cookie recipe  for the atkins diet :D
[16:02] <knome> awwh
[16:45] <ikonia> !mint
[16:46] <charlie-tca> not even freenode?
[16:46] <ikonia> nope, perfect
[18:47] <Daniel0108> hi
[18:48] <Daniel0108> I'm the founder of the Ubuntu Austria LoCo :)
[18:48] <Daniel0108> And there's already #ubuntu-at
[18:49] <Daniel0108> is there a way to transfer #ubuntu-at to me?
[18:49] <Daniel0108> because I'm the official LoCo leader
[18:50] <Daniel0108> paultag told me to ask here for channel transfer :)
[18:54] <LjL> actually i think the correct channel is #ubuntu-irc but i guess people here can help you anyway
[18:54] <LjL> i think the answer is that yes, you can have it transfered to you
[18:59] <Daniel0108> okay, thank you, LjL and WHO can transfer it to me?
[19:00] <LjL> a member of the IRC Council, i believe
[19:01] <Daniel0108> are you a member?
[19:01] <Daniel0108> LjL: ^
[19:01] <LjL> nope, but i'm trying to see if there's a member who's not away
[19:01] <Daniel0108> okay, thank you
[19:07] <Daniel0108> LjL: you found one? :)
[19:07] <LjL> Daniel0108: no, the one who seemed the least idle isn't replying so far. you may want to leave a note in #ubuntu-irc-council
[19:08] <Daniel0108> okay
[19:08] <Daniel0108> can I just copy&paste what I wrote here? :)
[19:08] <Daniel0108> LjL: ^
[19:09] <LjL> Daniel0108: just point them to here, they'll have a look at this channel. you may want to give them your launchpad page so they can easily see you're you
[19:09] <Daniel0108> okay
[19:10] <Daniel0108> btw: The LoCo council still has to transfer the Austria LoCo page to me :P
[19:38] <Tm_T> don't know what I'm doing wrong, but llua is able to join -ot when he's banforwarded to here
[19:40] <IdleOne> ban seems set properly
[19:40] <IdleOne> try removing the ban and resetting
[19:41] <Tm_T> meh, I rather see it removed after discussion
[19:41] <Tm_T> if he refuses to talk to me, then I'll do that
[19:41] <Tm_T> IdleOne: but thanks, just a bit weird it works sometimes (:
[19:41] <IdleOne> /mode -b+b old@ban new@ban
[19:42] <IdleOne> also if he is in the channel when not supposed to be, remove him.
[19:43] <Tm_T> he should just answer to one simple question, it's not like his presence is not desired or something
[19:43] <Tm_T> so I'm trying a soft approach first
[19:44] <IdleOne> oh about his quit message
[19:44] <Tm_T> yup
[19:44] <IdleOne> yeah I saw he had joined here but he left before the discussion was over it seemed
[19:44] <Tm_T> that
[19:45] <IdleOne> I can't see why the ban is not forwarding here
[19:45] <Tm_T> me neither, it's... weird
[19:46] <IdleOne> does +F need to be set in -ot also?
[19:47] <Tm_T> no
[19:48] <IdleOne> got me


[06:18] <AskUbuntu_> juju can not work with openstack juno ( trying for 10 days ) | http://askubuntu.com/q/598994
[06:42] <AskUbuntu_> A dead lock cycle when using juju "sync-tools" command , any tips? | http://askubuntu.com/q/599003
[07:06] <AskUbuntu_> how to specify the stream for juju when run juju metadata generate-tools command? | http://askubuntu.com/q/599008
[09:02] <AskUbuntu_> Is it possible to manually start Juju hooks? | http://askubuntu.com/q/599048
[09:59] <apuimedo> gnuoy: ping
[09:59] <gnuoy> hi apuimedo, I'm on the phone at the moment.
[10:00] <apuimedo> gnuoy: ping me at your earliest convenience ;-)
[10:00] <gnuoy> will do
[10:00] <apuimedo> thanks
[10:02] <gnuoy> np
[10:54] <gnuoy> apuimedo, hi there, back now
[10:54] <apuimedo> gnuoy: hi!
[10:55] <gnuoy> o/
[10:55] <apuimedo> did you manage to look at the email I sent to the juju list?
[10:55] <apuimedo> about neutron-api integration
[10:57] <gnuoy> apuimedo, no, I missed that
[10:57] <gnuoy> I'll take a look
[10:58] <apuimedo> thanks
[11:05] <gnuoy> apuimedo, I'm confused about what consumes the midonet.ini  ? Where does it need to go ? On the compute hosts, neutron gateway or api server (or all of them) ?
[11:05] <apuimedo> api server
[11:05] <apuimedo> see: https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charm-helpers/midonet
[11:06] <apuimedo> I already added it for review a couple of days ago ;-)
[11:07] <gnuoy> apuimedo, yes, I saw your mp, I'm trying to understand the architecture.
[11:07] <apuimedo> ;-)
[11:07] <apuimedo> setting 'midonet' as a plugin makes neutron-api point to midonet.ini
[11:08] <apuimedo> and the relation (or config in the other version) writes it
[11:08] <apuimedo> so that neutron-server can use the plugin
[11:22] <gnuoy> apuimedo, I'll give it some thought and get back to you
[11:22] <apuimedo> thanks. Looking forward to that a lot :-)
[14:46] <AskUbuntu_> Using juju with maas worked at first but is now giving 503 error gomaasapi | http://askubuntu.com/q/599157
[15:20] <arosales> apuimedo: Hello
[15:20] <apuimedo> arosales: hi
[15:21] <arosales> apuimedo: I missed your ping yesterday, was there something I could assist with?
[15:22] <apuimedo> well, it was to ask about the email I sent
[15:22] <apuimedo> to the mailing list
[15:22] <apuimedo> I pinged gnuoy about it this morning
[15:26] <arosales> ah so I should look at the list for background info
[15:27] <apuimedo> arosales: well, in the ml there's the link to the two approaches
[15:27] <apuimedo> it's basically a patch to neutron-api
[15:27] <apuimedo> or rather two different alternative patches to achieve an end goal
[15:27] <apuimedo> config vs relations
[15:28] <apuimedo> (I favor the latter)
[15:33] <arosales> gnuoy: would be a good person to give feedback on it
[15:33] <arosales> apuimedo: and it sounds like you gave him a ping
[15:33] <arosales> apuimedo: I'll also check the thread and see if we can give some feedback there. Thanks for the reminder ping here though :-)
[15:33] <apuimedo> I did. He told me he'd think about a bit and get back to me
[15:34] <apuimedo> thanks ;-)
[16:03] <gnuoy> apuimedo, In the long term I think a subordinate charm is probably the answer but we need to review the neutron-api  charm and do some refactoring first. So, please go for the simple config option approach (like n1kv) for the moment
[16:07] <apuimedo> gnuoy: okay. Thanks
[16:07] <apuimedo> So I guess I can submit it for review already, right?
[16:10] <gnuoy> apuimedo, have they been tested in oil ?
[16:10] <apuimedo> oil?
[16:10] <gnuoy> http://partners.ubuntu.com/partner-programmes/openstack
[16:11] <apuimedo> gnuoy: first time I see this :P
[16:24] <hatch> is it possible to execute a hook script in the 'hook environment' manually?
[16:38] <schkovich> @hatch https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.20/authors-hook-debug
[17:02] <hatch> schkovich that doesn't allow you to execute them at any time
[17:12] <apuimedo> gnuoy: https://code.launchpad.net/~celebdor/charms/trusty/neutron-api/midonet_resynced
[17:21] <hazmat> hatch: yes
[17:21] <hazmat> hatch: juju-run
[17:22] <hazmat> hatch: on the unit.. or from a client $ juju run .. its not quite solid for  relation hooks but its usable
[17:23] <hatch> hazmat: does that execute it in the 'hook environment' though?
[17:23] <hatch> or just as a normal user
[17:23] <hazmat> hatch: in a hook env
[17:24] <hatch> oh cool I didn't know that - thanks
[17:24] <hazmat> hatch: somebody a script to the list (stub?) that uses it to dump all relation / config data for a unit
[17:26] <hatch> oh interesting


 sure no problem
 ssh is awesome once you've set it up xD
 btw if there was any doubt about anbox
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/8iTpz60E.png
[00:26] <ubptgbot> <J W> @xander2m [I like the Christmas holidays. I have literally no idea about SSH but have the t …], The command for SSHing from a Linux distro is usually- ssh username@ipaddress  … After you do that it will ask for a password. That is pretty much it. For windows just get Putty and fill out up address and user fields then go. All SSH does is give
[00:26] <ubptgbot> you a remote terminal connection to the device.
 Cool. Well I've installed Ubuntu today so will give it a go on there.
 hey guys i got a question
 i know that it isnt stable to switch lomiri with something else
 but i wanna know if its actually possible
 im on devel channel and im willing to reinstall if anything fails
 are there any ways to do it?
[02:26] <ubptgbot> Daniel Daniel was added by: Daniel Daniel
[02:27] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?
 @Daniel Daniel [how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?], it might?
[02:31] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @bingusfunny [it might?], ?
 @Daniel Daniel [how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?], the performance should be good, im running it on nexus 5 and its pretty smooth
 but im not sure if the spen will work
[02:35] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> thanks for answering … do you think ubuntu touch will work equal like in nexus 5 by note 4?
 @Daniel Daniel [how well work ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy note 4 … will the sPen work?], seeing as I ported it, I can say it works fairly well, call audio currently isnt working (been trying to figure it out) the sPen is detected by the kernel, but it doesnt actually do anything cause either mir or lomiri doesnt handle styli input, I
[03:06] <ubptgbot> have opted to wait for the base to moclve to 20.04 before I devote time and energy into getting the spen to work.  I tried to set it as a mouse input, but that didnt work either
 Is any specific reason why there any dialer does not support landscape  mode?Some known limitation ?
 @Daniel Daniel [thanks for answering … do you think ubuntu touch will work equal like in nexus 5 b …], it performs almost as well as N5, if I could get call audio working, and figure out a couple minor things then I would say its as good if not slightly better as a N5
 @bingusfunny [but i wanna know if its actually possible], there is no supported way to change the shell, no
 @dohbee [there is no supported way to change the shell, no], hmm
 anyway, is there any way of switching to wayland from mir?
 or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?
 @bingusfunny [or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?], (without libertine, because i cant get that running for some damn reason)
[03:42] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Shakendo [seeing as I ported it, I can say it works fairly well, call audio currently isnt …], many thanks for answering
 @bingusfunny [anyway, is there any way of switching to wayland from mir?], mir is a wayland compositor, so no
[03:42] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Shakendo [seeing as I ported it, I can say it works fairly well, call audio currently isnt …], do you have an own channel to keep me up to date?
 @dohbee [mir is a wayland compositor, so no], oh, i feel dumb
 @bingusfunny [or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?], this has nothing to do with wayland, and all X11 apps are run under it currently
 @dohbee [this has nothing to do with wayland, and all X11 apps are run under it currently], huh?
[03:43] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @bingusfunny [or just using Xmir to run desktop apps?], No desktop Apps on Ubuntu touch???
 @Daniel Daniel [No desktop Apps on Ubuntu touch???], idk but nope from what i can tell so far
 @bingusfunny [huh?], all libertine x11 apps are currently run via xmir
 @bingusfunny [(without libertine, because i cant get that running for some damn reason)], .
 uh
 good thing i pointed that out
 🤷♀
 running PC apps on a phone is not the priority, and so libertine is still quite experimental
[03:45] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [all libertine x11 apps are currently run via xmir], I can run for example gimp or office?
 @Daniel Daniel [I can run for example gimp or office?], sure
 @dohbee [running PC apps on a phone is not the priority, and so libertine is still quite …], bruh
[03:46] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [running PC apps on a phone is not the priority, and so libertine is still quite …], the desktop apps could run unstable in contrast to raspberry pi, that also arm based?
 @Daniel Daniel [the desktop apps could run unstable in contrast to raspberry pi, that also arm b …], phones are not PCs
 a Nexus 5 is not a Raspberry Pi
[03:47] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> I knew...but the system is makes the difference
 @dohbee [a Nexus 5 is not a Raspberry Pi], - same cpu architecture … - same type of ram … - runs off of emmc
 no
 @bingusfunny [- same cpu architecture … - same type of ram … - runs off of emmc], i mean, when you think about it
 you're wrong
 alright
 cool
[03:49] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> HDMI or and wireless display will work?
 @Daniel Daniel [HDMI or and wireless display will work?], yeah probably
 they are different things, so it depends on device
[03:50] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> how well is anbox?
[03:51] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> (Video, 11s) https://irc.ubports.com/k0FgU0j5.mp4
 extremely alpha. you won't get same experience as running native lineageOS or anything
[03:51] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Daniel Daniel [<reply to media>], for that probably no!
 wtf
[03:52] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [extremely alpha. you won't get same experience as running native lineageOS or an …], :( … is anbox on desktop OS also alpha?
 yes
 and unrelated to UT
 what would happen if i replaced the ut rootfs with a mobian one while installing
 lmao
 you would not be using UT then
 yeah but like would it work
 is it possible
 probably not
 hmm
 i'll just wait for mobian halium 5 release lmao
 phones aren't PCs no matter what distro you attempt o install on them
 @dohbee [phones aren't PCs no matter what distro you attempt o install on them], wow i thought my Nexus 5 was an i9 99100k with a Radeon 6900XT
 thanks for the reminder
 it's not even an i3 3300k with a radeon hd 750
 apparently i have to put /s at the end of every sentence
 good to know
 but the point isn't about the performance. it's about the hardware
[04:00] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @dohbee [yes], ): … Android Emulator or Simulator on Windows probably better, like NOX or Bluestacks … And windows is not Unix based
 ok
 you're welcome to donate as much money has been spent on those ventures, to ubports
 @dohbee [you're welcome to donate as much money has been spent on those ventures, to ubpo …], i dont think any money would be spent emulating android lmao
 then feel free to not use android apps
 that
 wasnt what i meant
[04:02] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Daniel> @Daniel Daniel [<reply to media>], the APP is UbikiTouch … An realy nice idea to make something similar to Ubuntu or linx overall: so you can for example use your nexus 7 with only one Hand if you shirk the keyboard to right or left side
 @Pj 🇧🇷 Raphael(s) CN 512/12GB 🇺🇸 [Anyone have Raphael K20 pro?], yes
 @TuxInside18 [I'm interesting to improve developing of UBports on Redmi K20 Pro], please do try it,,we like to see it
 Fwd from John: https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFh0rfS5unI1yshXSA
 Fwd from Jw: https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAFh0rfS5unI1yshXSA
 @J W [The command for SSHing from a Linux distro is usually- ssh username@ipaddress  … A …], fwiw on ut it will only work with keys
 @bingusfunny [but i wanna know if its actually possible], replacing lomiri means its no longer ubuntu touch. yes its possible but everything on ut works via lomiri, from the the actual shell down to the compositor
 @bingusfunny [- same cpu architecture … - same type of ram … - runs off of emmc], - more sensors … - less ports(only one usb port … - binary drivers … -  smaller screen … :p
 no seriously the differences are bigger than you expect, kde dropped halium support for a reason and there not much storage space on these devices compared to what you can do with a rpi. ut is build this way for a reason
 also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use with small 5 inch touchscreens
 [Edit] also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use with low powered devices with  small 5 inch touchscreens
[07:01] <ubptgbot> AkhilBhakte was added by: AkhilBhakte
[07:06] <ubptgbot> Pramit Chaudhury was added by: Pramit Chaudhury
[07:08] <ubptgbot> <Pramit Chaudhury> Hi everyone 👋
 @Fuseteam [also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use wit …], Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to raise grid unit to 28 for the first time on a device. It looks smooth but it feels overpowered, and the builtin cameras wont have that resolution :P
 When we get oneplus 5 cheeseburger get approx.!!!!
 Ubuntu touch rom
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 @Pramit Chaudhury [Hi everyone 👋], Welcome
 @Flohack [Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to rais …], what do you mean by overpowered?
 also, what's the highest resolution UT device do we have? … PIxel 2 Xl is 1440p, right?
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 @NICOLE KAISER [<reply to media>], spam
 @Javacookies [what do you mean by overpowered?], Human eye cannot resolve beyond around 250ppi so it is like advertising the beautiful image in ultraviolet - which we are blind to
 My eyes without glasses can't even resolve 50ppi 😂
[09:45] <ubptgbot> <Linda Gerbatz> Wow? it's nice!!! Giveaway!!🤑🤑 … [https://twіtеr.cоm/musk/status/1233358268827314432](https://bit.ly/2WNAkKS)
 Thanks
 They are sent to the very hot place down below 👿
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ uname -a … Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.10.108-halium-perf+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Dec 7 20:19:15 CET 2020 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
 @Max57595 [phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ uname -a … Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.10.108-halium-perf+ #1 …], At last on my Oneplus 2 , OTA-15 works fine.
 Not as daily driver. But I love it! …  Thank you guys!!
 how do you boot to bootloader on bq E5?
 @J W [The command for SSHing from a Linux distro is usually- ssh username@ipaddress  … A …], Actually windows 10 doesn't need putty
 @Javacookies [how do you boot to bootloader on bq E5?], Volume up + power usually does it on mediatek
 hmmm, I think battery is dead … when I plug it to power, it shows 100% but won't boot … when unplugged, nothing happens
 I thought I can revive it 😢
 @Javacookies [hmmm, I think battery is dead … when I plug it to power, it shows 100% but won't b …], Sounds like my dead 4.5. Even after a new battery installed
 well I guess that confirms it 😅
 too bad, it has sentimental value because it went through a lot just to get here from Europe 😆
 Hold volume up when you plug it in
 @amyosx [Hold volume up when you plug it in], With BQ there was a thing of pressing the power button for 15-20 seconds
 Yeah but if your holding when preloader (?) executes it will bring up the menu
 @kriskuthu [please do try it,,we like to see it], I'm doing that with @hacker1024
 @TuxInside18 [I'm doing that with @hacker1024], Photography will be interesting but I think it will lack use of the integration algorithms
 @Flohack [Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to rais …], T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in addition to the VoLTE changes coming in January. In a nut shell, if the device is from 2015 or earlier, and can't get a firmware update from the manufacturer, it
[10:55] <ubptgbot>  will be blocked from both voice and data access. AT&T has announced something similar. That means a lot of devices will no longer have network access in the US come February 1. I've got a couple of devices in that category that have a good lineage 14.1 port. You're welcome to have them if it's worth shipping them to Europe, otherwise also free to
[10:55] <ubptgbot> a UbPorts developer in the Americas
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], Is this US-only ? Since T-Mobile is also in Poland and such
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], Very generous. Is Sprint also being closed off?
 This is US only. Legally, T-Mobile agreed to keep Sprints CDMA service intact for three years. But, they are being cagey about it. CDMA doesn't work with UT anyway
 Hence, might as well give them to someone that can still use them.  I hate recycl …], As things like this tend to get lost in the chat, it might be worth flagging up the offer in the forum
 I will, if no one claims them before then
 There are issues with duties, tax, courier costs, customs declarations etc though
 Is Canada similarly affected? Mexico?
 Yep, why I said if it's worth it. Europe is especially picky on those tax and customs issues
 Mexico no, Canada I'm not sure. There's always Rogers up there anyway. But here, there's only three big carriers and all three have committed to the same plan. Anyone in a rural US/Canada area with a regional telco still using GSM is welcome to them
 @Flohack [Small screens with insane pixel density. 538ppi for the Pixel 2XL, I had to rais …], yeah ikr
 @rocket2nfinity [Mexico no, Canada I'm not sure. There's always Rogers up there anyway. But here, …], Damn I'm in UK
 @SehjanS [When we get oneplus 5 cheeseburger get approx.!!!!], patience please, it will be hard to miss when it is actually released. the work for it is being done by volunteers
 Maybe we get that HUGE and TREMENDOUS free trade deal haha
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], what are the devices in question?
 @amyosx [Maybe we get that HUGE and TREMENDOUS free trade deal haha], Off topic but ROFL. World beating levels of red tape and ritual self-humiliation
 @rocket2nfinity [T-Mobile has announced that they are changing their network configuration in add …], Well we have enough devices, but no knowledge about volte. Everything is vendor specific, even from same vendor it can be different for 2 devices. Bring documentation ;)
 Maybe Musk's WiFi from the sky will make the LTE debate look funny and old-fashioned soon?
 Lol I hope
 lol doubt
[12:24] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Flohack [Well we have enough devices, but no knowledge about volte. Everything is vendor …], Did you check the GSMA "official" documentation for carriers and mobile telephony 3rd parties industry? … https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/documents-volte/ … https://www.gsma.com/newsroom/wp-content/uploads//IR.92-v15.0-4.pdf
 I guess in this regard, it's good that our carriers are always late with technologies 😆
 lol
 tfw you realize you have no idea where to find % on the default ut calculator
[12:28] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Documentation about VoWiFi: … https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/ip_services/vowifi/
 @Fuseteam [what are the devices in question?], Nexus 5, probably my Nexus 6P (still waiting to hear from Google about that), Moto E4, several Samsung Galaxy and Galaxy Tabs
 hmmm
 @Fuseteam [hmmm], 😀
 😎
 Well South America is 'local' I think. Good for sustainability 😏
 is it? hehe
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/YrNDwfGI.webp
 Go for it
 i'll see 😂
 @Fuseteam [i'll see 😂], You could help Florian with the 6P. That would be very useful for the community
 that's actually not a bad suggestion 🤔
 @Steve Kueffer [Did you check the GSMA "official" documentation for carriers and mobile telephon …], You need to enable it via the vendor blobs for the specific device probably, there is no volte standard, so that document does not help
[13:08] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Flohack [You need to enable it via the vendor blobs for the specific device probably, the …], Oh my.... Sorry 😨
[13:15] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Flohack [You need to enable it via the vendor blobs for the specific device probably, the …], Concerning Vollaphone, maybe Gigaset can provide the documentation to Hallo Welt team for a future VoLte implementation.
 @Steve Kueffer [Concerning Vollaphone, maybe Gigaset can provide the documentation to Hallo Welt …], Probably yes.
 @Steve Kueffer [Concerning Vollaphone, maybe Gigaset can provide the documentation to Hallo Welt …], May be issues with USA licensing? Not sure…
[13:39] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> Apparently Vollaphone has been certified for the US market (sales licence). But don't know about other technical protocols under licence indeed...
 its mostly the fcc license that it is missing
 @Fuseteam [its mostly the fcc license that it is missing], Yes, I meant terms of a firmware usage licence. It might be limited to EU, if granted
 actually the problem is they didn't/don't have the resource to pass fcc's certification if memory serves
 @Fuseteam [also it isn't that desktop apps can't run, its that they aren't made for use wit …], true
 hmm
 it really is that difficult yes
 i cant get libertine running for some reason, thats why i asked
 how have you tried to get libertine running?
 Settings > Libertine
 and also the command line way thru adb shell
 on my pc cause terminal on a 5inch screen is painful
 eh? did you actually let it finish? it does take quite a while
 @Fuseteam [eh? did you actually let it finish? it does take quite a while], yeah
 @bingusfunny [on my pc cause terminal on a 5inch screen is painful], well if the terminal that is optimized for ubuntu touch is that painfull to you, i would not have high hopes for running full desktop apps
 @Fuseteam [well if the terminal that is optimized for ubuntu touch is that painfull to you, …], no its the terminal thats painful
 @bingusfunny [yeah], what was the error you encountered
 @bingusfunny [no its the terminal thats painful], eh? how so?
 @Fuseteam [well if the terminal that is optimized for ubuntu touch is that painfull to you, …], [Edit] no its NOT the terminal thats painful
 fuck
 good job me
 ohw lol
 @bingusfunny [no its NOT the terminal thats painful], its the fact that i have to type on a 4.95 inch screen
 so i just ssh or adb shell into it to do it
 its not a "ohhh ut is so painful" thing
 uh yeah i know what you mean don't worry, i'm readwrite rootfs guy i done some things on my device
 and yes as a rw'er i'm behind the idea of a readonly rootfs
 [Edit] and yes as a rw'er i'm all for the idea of a readonly rootfs
 @bingusfunny [so i just ssh or adb shell into it to do it], i do the same tbf
 @Fuseteam [and yes as a rw'er i'm all for the idea of a readonly rootfs], its a double edged sword really
 its really good for security and endusers
 BUUUT its linux so you expect it to be a writeable file system
 mmm kinda, there are a few tricks you can do
 for example did you know that while the rootfs is readonly that doesn't mean the entirety of `/` is readonly
 @bingusfunny [BUUUT its linux so you expect it to be a writeable file system], embedded linux systems typically don't have a writable rootfs.
 @jonny [embedded linux systems typically don't have a writable rootfs.], yeah but arent embedded linux systems used more in places like servers? i don't know much about those
 and to me it comes down to one question: why does it need to be writable to install a couple of applications?
 No. IoT, cars, phones, etc
 for context; its about getting around the issues libertine seems to have in this case for those coming in the convo
 It's just a small group of nerds that see "Linux" and think it must be the same as a PC running a Linux distro
 [Edit] for contextfor those just coming in the convo; its about getting around the issues libertine seems to have in this case
 @dohbee [It's just a small group of nerds that see "Linux" and think it must be the same …], but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a different display server, apt and less apps" territory lmao
 @bingusfunny [but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a differe …], no not really, there are plenty of difference with android
 @Fuseteam [no not really, there are plenty of difference with android], yeah i know
 i definitely like ut more than android
 thats for sure
 @bingusfunny [but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a differe …], No
 Android is already linux
 @dohbee [Android is already linux], eh
 honestly i do believe there's a way to install applications via the command line but it needs to be uh optimized so to say
 only kernel wise basically
 Linux is only a kernel
 @Fuseteam [honestly i do believe there's a way to install applications via the command line …], apt works, but the display server basically blocks anything that isnt mir-optimized
 do you know your device architecture @bingusfunny ?
 @Fuseteam [do you know your device architecture @bingusfunny ?], armhf
 No, apt is not supported
 @dohbee [No, apt is not supported], im aware thanks
 i'm not talking about apt rodney, thanks
 @bingusfunny [armhf], hmmm yeah that needs even more optimzation
 @Fuseteam [hmmm yeah that needs even more optimzation], yeah
 @bingusfunny [apt works, but the display server basically blocks anything that isnt mir-optimi …], Also, those things get run with xmir
 @dohbee [Also, those things get run with xmir], they dont, really
 @Fuseteam [i'm not talking about apt rodney, thanks], And I wasn't talking to you, thanks
 try running Nautilus and let me know
 @dohbee [And I wasn't talking to you, thanks], none of us were talking to you but go on
 @bingusfunny [they dont, really], yes they do you just set the flags
 @bingusfunny [but like, at that point isnt it just dangling around the "Android with a differe …], The problem about android is not android itself, but the Google dependent ecosystem. And that one is completely different between Android and UT.
 @dohbee [And I wasn't talking to you, thanks], now that makes more sense xD
 @Fuseteam [yes they do you just set the flags], oh alright
 @Fuseteam [yes they do you just set the flags], in the desktop files? or while launching
 @Fuseteam [yes they do you just set the flags], Shouldn't need to
 there's a flag you can set in the desktop file or you can do it while launching
 @Fuseteam [there's a flag you can set in the desktop file or you can do it while launching], hmm
 i'll try it
 But you can't just run any app fr CLI like on x11 either
 @dohbee [Shouldn't need to], it does appear to be the case outside of libertine
 @Fuseteam [it does appear to be the case outside of libertine], yeah exactly
 ok one last question before mess around with ut more
 is it possible to switch to xorg lmao
 @Fuseteam [it does appear to be the case outside of libertine], Then there's a bug somewhere
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], im willing to reinstall
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], No
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], lomiri depends on qtmir which depends on mir which is a wayland compositor
 @Fuseteam [lomiri depends on qtmir which depends on mir which is a wayland compositor], hmmm
 UT is not a traditional PC Linux distro
 @bingusfunny [is it possible to switch to xorg lmao], No, it is not.
 @dohbee [UT is not a traditional PC Linux distro], i know rodney
 thanks
 i really suggesting diving a bit deeper into how ut works @bingusfunny its really interesting how they things actually works
 @Fuseteam [i really suggesting diving a bit deeper into how ut works @bingusfunny its reall …], yeah it really is
 i love it, im just to used to messing around with and breaking linux so i try to do that on anything with a linux kernel that i get my hands on
 [Edit] i love it, im just too used to messing around with and breaking linux so i try to do that on anything with a linux kernel that i get my hands on
 @TuxInside18 [I'm doing that with @hacker1024], If you want to test a build ,I will gladly help with that
 if you want to try and break things, try editing some qml files and reloading the program xD
 @kriskuthu [If you want to test a build ,I will gladly help with that], Thz
 @kriskuthu [If you want to test a build ,I will gladly help with that], [Edit] Thx
 i broke the keyboard like that a couple of times hehehehe
 Breaking things is easy
 fixing things is the real challenge
 @bingusfunny [yeah it really is], this video might interest you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ_K6XFRk84
[15:30] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/6Cngb8XU.png Did anyone with Vollaphone has no usage statistics on the welcome screen, although it is correctly set to on in the settings?  If yes, is there a way to fix it? Many thanks!
[15:31] <ubptgbot> <Aki Siika-aho> Is there a way to disable images on Morph or when making an webapp with webber?
 @Aki Siika-aho [Is there a way to disable images on Morph or when making an webapp with webber?], Do you mean a 'using data' setting?
[15:41] <ubptgbot> <Aki Siika-aho> Yes :)
 @Aki Siika-aho [Yes :)], I am guessing that would need a system level implementation, rather than browser level. A very interesting question, good to go in the forum for discussion at the next Q&A
 Wait for the next Q&A thread to open, maybe 5 Janyary?
 [Edit] Wait for the next Q&A thread to open, maybe 5 January?
 or file a feature request at https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch
[15:53] <ubptgbot> <Aki Siika-aho> Thanks, I will throw my question to next Q&A
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 @Aki Siika-aho [Thanks, I will throw my question to next Q&A], There is a data monitoring app now. That might offer some control opportunities?
 if qtwebengine already has this feature then it'll be easy to implement
 @Javacookies [if qtwebengine already has this feature then it'll be easy to implement], Indeed. So a good topic to chew on
 I'll probably check on it when I get the time which os quite frequent during thos holidays 😄
 @Javacookies hey bro, do you know what's the actual status of the halium port for the N5? I am ready to give it a try now
 Not really, I've only tried it once a few months ago. I think it's good now but I don't know what's still keeping it from being released
[17:13] <ubptgbot> <Gianluca Naseem> @Steve Kueffer [<reply to media>], I have same issue on volla … If I double click the circle side bar gets trigged  … Never seen the infogtaphic petals aether  … Might be bug
 @Aki Siika-aho [Is there a way to disable images on Morph or when making an webapp with webber?], there seems to be an easy way to support automatic loading of images in Morph, you may log a feature request in github so that it won't be forgotten 😉
[17:27] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Gianluca Naseem [I have same issue on volla … If I double click the circle side bar gets trigged  … N …], Thank you for your confirmation! 😉 I will open an issue in Github.
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 Hi there, I need someone with a Pixel 2 or Pixel 2XL for a test
 @bingusfunny [but i wanna know if its actually possible], Anything is possible with enough work
 @mateosalta [Anything is possible with enough work], i mean you'd be building a different distro at that stage
 in my experience xorg isn't made for touchscreens
 if it was we would have a lot of local merchants on ubuntu right now, the breaking point was touchscreen bugs
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 @mateosalta [Anything is possible with enough work], Anything is possible, with ZomboCom Touch
 you really like that zombo meme huh 😂
 @Fuseteam [in my experience xorg isn't made for touchscreens], mm, i don't think that's true. x11 is usable on all kinds of things, including touchscreens. the main issue is that most things made to run on traditional linux systems, aren't made for touch
 @Fuseteam [if it was we would have a lot of local merchants on ubuntu right now, the breaki …], i don't see how you could draw this conclusion
 @Fuseteam [in my experience xorg isn't made for touchscreens], try Nokia N9 :)
 @NotKit [try Nokia N9 :)], it was a 23 touch screen monitor on a mini pc
 @dohbee [Anything is possible, with ZomboCom Touch], the only limit is yourself at zombo ;)
 @dohbee [i don't see how you could draw this conclusion], personal experience, i had a couple of local merchants on ubuntu, but due to touch issues they all went back to windows in the end
 @dohbee [i don't see how you could draw this conclusion], [Edit] personal experience, in my previous job; i had a couple of local merchants on ubuntu, but due to touch issues they all went back to windows in the end
 certain touchscreens are really bad
 @Fuseteam [personal experience, in my previous job; i had a couple of local merchants on ub …], Oof
 My experience with xorg on phones is mostly positive
 Just let down by scaling
 @amyosx [My experience with xorg on phones is mostly positive], +
 same
 xfce4 on postmarket was nice
 yeah and gnome, i knew sooner it was freaking gnome causing the freezes that would've solved half the issues
 @bingusfunny [xfce4 on postmarket was nice], but, you know
 everything else was broken
 ohw i was talking about a desktop minipc used with a touchscreen, so i'm actually ot over here 😂
 @Fuseteam [personal experience, in my previous job; i had a couple of local merchants on ub …], oh. i don't think that has to do with ubuntu really. probably lack of good POS software
 but anyway
 yeah off topic :)
 i thought you were talking about UT
 @dohbee [oh. i don't think that has to do with ubuntu really. probably lack of good POS s …], yeah i don't blame ubuntu hehe
 @dohbee [i thought you were talking about UT], haha oops 😂
 i bet ut would be flying like hot cakes if it was available on the desktop fwiw xD
 @Fuseteam [i bet ut would be flying like hot cakes if it was available on the desktop fwiw …], Wen eta
 i can so see it working smoothly
 (Sticker, 512x244) https://irc.ubports.com/FQFOD4aa.webp
 @Fuseteam [i bet ut would be flying like hot cakes if it was available on the desktop fwiw …], it is avaible, just not that good on the desktop yet
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], Do that too
 [Edit] i can so see it working smoothly in that usecase
 @mateosalta [it is avaible, just not that good on the desktop yet], qemu image
 @mateosalta [it is avaible, just not that good on the desktop yet], just need a little bit more love xD
 @popeydc I get what you mean about grouper being awful, put android 6 on it and its lagging hard
 meanwhile my webapp is breaking ut hard 😂
 and i can't locate the logs 😂
 Oof
 @amyosx [Do that too], done
 @dohbee [done], Wow
 Magic
 I use arch btw
 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtA0hX_UIAAN3Yx?format=jpg&name=large
 lol
 @amyosx [@popeydc I get what you mean about grouper being awful, put android 6 on it and …], I told you the same. Sell it 😂
 @xander2m [I told you the same. Sell it 😂], No
 Parrot mod fixes it
 Lol
[21:36] <ubptgbot> <J W> Is there potential for porting Ububtu Touch on newer Nokia phones? I would help on testing and even try to help with porting it. I just don't have any experience with porting it. I have also dug around and found out that some of the kernel source code for these devices are open sourced and available online. Here is acouple of links. But I don
[21:36] <ubptgbot> 't know if they include the necessary vendor blobs or not. And the question of if they have unlockable bootloaders. … https://www.xda-developers.com/hmd-global-nokia-4-2-6-2-7-2-kernel-source/ … https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/opensource
[21:37] <ubptgbot> <J W> [Edit] Is there potential for porting Ububtu Touch on newer Nokia phones? I would help on testing and even try to help with porting it. I just don't have any experience with any porting whatever, but willing to learn. I have also dug around and found out that some of the kernel source code for these devices are open sourced and available onli
[21:37] <ubptgbot> ne. Here is acouple of links. But I don't know if they include the necessary vendor blobs or not. And the question of if they have unlockable bootloaders. … https://www.xda-developers.com/hmd-global-nokia-4-2-6-2-7-2-kernel-source/ … https://www.nokia.com/phones/en_int/opensource
 the main problem with HMD/Nokia devices is not having officially unlockable bootloader
 there are some unofficial ways to unlock bootloaders on some models, but this puts developers away from the brand
[21:51] <ubptgbot> <J W> @NotKit [the main problem with HMD/Nokia devices is not having officially unlockable boot …], But most brands don't have officially unlockable bootloaders anyways? If there is some that does, who are they?
 Xiaomi, OnePlus, Samsung, Moto, ZTE, etc do have
 @J W [But most brands don't have officially unlockable bootloaders anyways? If there i …], Most
 Uhh
 [Edit] Xiaomi, OnePlus, Samsung, Moto, ZTE, Pixel etc do have
 unlockable means phone is shipped locked, but vendor does not prevent you from unlocking the bootloader
[21:55] <ubptgbot> <J W> @NotKit [Xiaomi, OnePlus, Samsung, Moto, ZTE, Pixel etc do have], Oh ok. I didn't know. Last time I looked at this kind of stuff was 4 or 5 years ago with flashing CyanogenMod and other roms with some Nexus and Samsung devices.
[21:57] <ubptgbot> <J W> All I knew was the LG phones was a pain back then.
[22:04] <ubptgbot> <J W> *Know
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[22:28] <ubptgbot> Mika07 was added by: Mika07
 Hello. I'm a SFOS user since 2015, but I'm also interested in UBTouch and other mobile gnu/linux systems. In march I will recieve a fxtec pro with ubuntu preisntalled, so I'll have the chance to test ubuntu^^
 hi @NotKit ^^
 hi, welcome here :)
 thanks :D
 @Mika07 [Hello. I'm a SFOS user since 2015, but I'm also interested in UBTouch and other …], Oh, how do you order it with Ubuntu? I can see LOS and SFOS on their website
 @xander2m [Oh, how do you order it with Ubuntu? I can see LOS and SFOS on their website], the indiegogo one
 Oh yes. Looks like it will make a good device for UT
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[23:40] <ubptgbot> <Pete N.> Ty Sir Wayne.
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[07:03]  * apw yawns
[07:43] <jpds> Can someone take a look at this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1307109
[07:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1307109 in linux (Ubuntu) "Alcor Micro AU9540 keeps powering down when card is inserted" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:23] <apw> jpds, does that bit at the bottom of current dmesg repeat each time it comes and goes ?
[08:26] <jpds> apw: Let me get a more current dmesg.
[08:30] <jpds> apw: Attached.
[09:06] <kdeuser56> where are the dbgsym packages of http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.15-rc1-trusty/ ?
[09:06] <kdeuser56> or why are there no dbgsym packages for the mainline builds? generating debugsymbols would make perfect sense ...
[09:20] <kdeuser56_> I mean generating dbgsym for kernels that are not yet meant to be stable would be really helpful ...
[16:17] <apw> jsalisbury, i take it you saw i had a poke at that ppc64el cmd line thing
[16:17] <apw> jsalisbury, seems that the upstream code is bonkers, and doesnt use the ppc variable at all dispite having one
[16:17] <jsalisbury> apw, heh, yeah.  I was just reading that.  I sent a patch upstream, but it only had the one define change.
[16:18] <apw> jsalisbury, so i'll bodge the fix we have to fix the default, and we can let you circle with upstream on it
[16:18] <apw> jsalisbury, you might copy anton blanchard on it when you do, as he was involved
[16:19] <jsalisbury> apw, ok, will do.
[16:19] <jsalisbury> apw, where is the correct change for the define?  Is it in one of the generic setup.h files?
[16:20] <apw> "correct" yeah the one it uses is that one.  so i suspect the right fix for this is to make that actually a config option
[16:21] <jsalisbury> apw, ahh, ok.
[16:21] <apw> so one can make the default whatever you want on every arch, but it needs some upstream discussion
[16:22] <jsalisbury> apw, thanks for digging into this
[16:26] <apw> jsalisbury, np, it was being difficult to say the least, and remote debug is more than difficult in this case
[16:26] <jsalisbury> apw :-)


[10:53] <cjwatson> tintou: Yes, see https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad-buildd/+git/launchpad-buildd/+merge/451464.  I've rolled back the mantic amd64 chroots for now, so if you cancel and retry then it should work now
[10:53] <cjwatson> rbasak: restored
[13:43] <rbasak> Thanks!
[14:50] <tintou> Thank you!


[00:36] <kryten> Eickmeyer[m]: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/usr/share/ubuntustudio/dot-gtkrc-2.0-kde4 - shouldn't the first line be flipped to Breeze too then?
[01:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> krytarik: Clicking on your link, it is?
[01:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, the first line.
[01:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Honestly, that file isn't even used anymore.
[01:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> That was a Plasma 4 thing.
[01:11] <kryten> Yeah, figured by the name.. just noticed the leftover bit in the recent commit diff.