[00:24] <sney> oh I see, I wasn't parsing the indents
[08:06] <dholbach> good morning
[21:40] <Logan_> someone want to comment on this (positive/critical of what I said)? willing to receive either - just want to know if my response was good or not: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/188110
[21:49] <rbasak> Logan_: I'd say that "Won't Fix" implies that we'd refuse the package if somebody did prepare it. By definition, at that point, it'd be maintained so we'd be happy to carry it. So IMHO that status isn't really right.
[21:49] <Logan_> idk, I didn't mean to be incendiary, but he took it that way
[21:49] <rbasak> No point fighting over a bug status though.
[21:50] <Logan_> I was just trying to be realistic about something that hasn't been touched since 2008
[21:50] <rbasak> "You want to decide what is better for me without my consent, which puts you in the same camp as censors and other freedom takers." doesn't make any sense either.
[21:50] <rbasak> Since he has root on his machine and can install from a PPA, etc.
[21:50] <rbasak> So I agree with you there.
[21:52] <ScottK> Logan_: Commented.
[21:52] <Logan_> thanks guys :)
[21:54] <rbasak> ScottK: I'd still say that Won't Fix is wrong, though. Even if not uploaded directly to Ubuntu, once uploaded to Debian and synced, it'd be valid and then Fix Released.
[21:55] <rbasak> Won't Fix means that we'd refuse to carry it (even if through Debian), surely?
[21:55] <ScottK> No.
[21:55] <ScottK> That's not what wontfix means.
[21:55] <ScottK> That'd be invalid.
[21:55] <rbasak> Maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20statuses should be fixed then
[21:56] <ScottK> rbasak: Why?  "It may also be used for feature requests that the developers do not want to implement" seems to fit perfectly.
[21:56] <rbasak> We "want" to implement it. We "want" the package in Ubuntu (through Debian), at Wishlist importance.
[21:57] <ScottK> In any case, anyone waiting for a new package to appear based on a needs-packaging bug is highly likely to be dissappointed.
[21:57] <ScottK> That's tangential to an Ubuntu needs-packaging bug.
[21:57] <ScottK> An Ubuntu bug is about Ubuntu devs fixing stuff.
[21:58] <ScottK> We won't do it (wontfix), but get it in Debian if you can is quite reasonable (and typical).
[21:58] <rbasak> So we link a Debian ITP bug.
[21:58] <rbasak> The Ubuntu task gets marked Won't Fix.
[21:58] <rbasak> Debian packages it. Ubuntu syncs it. Then the right status for the Ubuntu task is Fix Released. But it won't do that because it's Won't Fix.
[21:59] <ScottK> Unless someone notices it and changes it.
[21:59] <rbasak> That's why I think it's wrong. Makes more sense to leave the Ubuntu task valid and open.
[21:59] <rbasak> Because it still is a valid wishlist item in Ubuntu, and reasonable to track it.
[21:59] <rbasak> Those subscribed to the bug find out when it gets made available in Ubuntu, etc.
[22:00] <ScottK> Since the Debian bug won't have the LP bug# in debian/changelog, it won't get changed unless someone changes it.
[22:00] <ScottK> Either way, the current status of the bug won't affect the terminal status after a sync.
[22:00] <ScottK> Two unrelated issues.
[22:00] <ScottK> Personally, I think it would be more honest to wontfix all the needs-packaging bugs.
[22:01] <rbasak> I think I have set Won't Fix on some bugs that I reasonably think will genuinely never get fixed, to be fair.
[22:01] <rbasak> Though I leave a comment explaining this. So
[22:01] <rbasak> then a potential contributor knows the status can be changed.
[22:02] <rbasak> Setting realistic expectations is important.
[22:02] <rbasak> Without a comment though, I still think Won't Fix implies we don't want it and will refuse it, which isn't true here.
[22:03] <ScottK> If I was reviewing the package, I'm not sure I'd accept it.
[22:03] <rbasak> In Debian?
[22:03] <ScottK> We really don't need more cruft from dead upstreams.
[22:03] <Logan_> I constantly see packages being removed from Debian and Ubuntu due to a dead upstream
[22:03] <ScottK> Same.
[22:03] <Logan_> we don't just package every tarball that's out there
[22:03] <Logan_> I don't see why this should be an exception
[22:04] <ScottK> I'd certainly ask the maintainer how they planned to get upstream maintenance done.
[22:04] <rbasak> That's reasonable.
[22:05] <rbasak> Though consider any other bug. "Only if concerns X and Y are addressed" isn't a Won't Fix. It's just a requirement for acceptance.
[22:05] <ScottK> If the answer was along the lines of "I'm sure it'll be fine", I'd reject it.


[07:23] <dyllan> Hi all. I am trying to change the ldm theme for ltsp, I have found this tut - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange - its specific to ubuntu 8.04 but i thought id see if the same principles apply, unfortunately its not working. Is there a newer tut I can follow to change the ldm theme for ltsp?
[07:47] <dyllan> not to worry I figured the ldm theme change out - thanks.
[08:55] <dyllan> hi gents
[08:55] <dyllan> where is the ldm cursor set for edubuntu ?
[08:55] <dyllan> Im looking to change it from the cmd line.


[05:13] <terpicus> hello
[05:13] <terpicus> can anyone hear me ?
[05:33] <guiverc> terpicus, maybe use #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat..
[15:04] <teward> hggdh: sbeattie: jibel: any of you want to squish an email address from the -quality access list due to spamming?
[15:05] <teward> (mailing list)
[15:40] <hggdh> looking
[15:42] <hggdh> teward: to accelerate -- which email/user?
[15:42] <teward> the only item in today's emails
[15:42] <teward> lemme pull it out of my junk mail
[15:42] <teward><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <teward> note: forged from address was noted in the analysis of the message yet it still made it to the list
[15:43] <teward> so that user -> moderation queue might be a good thing for now
[15:49] <hggdh> teward: I cannot see any new emails from ajbiz11 anywhere in -quality (except from about 7 years go)
[15:49] <teward> 1 moment
[15:50] <teward> hggdh: then your junk filter caught it
[15:50] <teward> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2020-May/007239.html
[15:50] <teward> it's there :P
[15:50] <teward> mine let it through because -quality list but triggered spamscore >= 19 with the number of things I detect on
[15:56] <hggdh> heh, I did not get itah, found it in the spam cemetery
[15:56] <teward> hggdh: heh.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zfv8fJXxhf/ is all the spam triggers it had going through my mail gateway
[15:59] <hggdh> it seems to be simple email spoofing. Headers say it was sent from toho-shoji.co.jp to the email server at c.c
[16:01] <hggdh> and jeez, the ampunt of spam I have been receiving is amazing. Another result from covid-19, I guess, many more home systems powered on
[16:30]  * Eickmeyer salts teward heavily


[14:02] <mhall119> hangout link to join: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjj0d3h4nsehsjvkqrs2h8o?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:03] <mhall119> will be a minute late, helping somebody with their schedule
[14:04] <mhall119> alright, going live now
[14:06] <mzanetti> mhall119: here nowe
[14:06] <mzanetti> -e
[14:13] <mhall119> any last minute questions?
[14:25] <Moshe> Yes
[14:29] <Moshe> Why David attends this http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22079/appdev-1311-sdk-apps-performance/
[14:34] <Moshe> Bye
[14:34] <Moshe> see ya
[15:01] <bfiller> mhall119: should I setup the hangout for the next session?
[15:02] <mhall119> bfiller: if you're running it yes
[15:02] <bfiller> mhall119: ack
[15:08] <mhall119> hangout URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpji96dlvlrvqdueto0ho8u4?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:08] <dholbach> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-apps-convergence
[15:10] <oSoMoN> link to the hangout?
[15:11] <boiko> oSoMoN: hangout URL: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpji96dlvlrvqdueto0ho8u4?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:11] <oSoMoN> thx boiko
[15:15] <greyback> QUESTION: Is the "Tabs" design considered usable on the desktop?
[15:16] <iBelieve> greyback:I filed this bug, which got marked as wishlist: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1193981
[15:16] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1193981 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Display tabs as traditional tabs on the desktop" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[15:16] <asomething> greyback, I've thought it would be nice if tabs turned into columns if there was enough space (ie on the desktop)
[15:16] <greyback> iBelieve: yep, that's an option
[15:17] <greyback> asomething: that's a very responsive UI layout idea, and yes something we've been experimenting with
[15:18] <pmcgowan> bfiller, there was a commitment from the last sprint to get initial design feedback mid dec
[15:18] <iBelieve> asomething:the problem with that, at least in some apps, is that a specific tab might want to be full-width, and some apps might not want that type of layout. So if that type of layout is added, it should be optional
[15:19] <boiko> asomething: I'm not completelly sure turn tabs into columns is a good idea, usually tabs are used to separate different kinds of content/presentation/context, but maybe on a case-by-case evaluation that can be an option
[15:19] <greyback> QUESTION: desktop apps can take advantage of right-click - do we need a widget for a right-click menu?
[15:20] <iBelieve> greyback:I'd like to see long-press on a touch screen be turned into a right-click on the desktop
[15:20] <iBelieve> greyback:so then a popover component should be good enough
[15:20] <iBelieve> QUESTION: Will a settings page be displayed differently on the desktop, such as in a separate dialog, versus in a tab on tablet/phone?
[15:21] <greyback> iBelieve: tbh I'm not a fan of long press at all. It's quite easy to do accidentally
[15:22] <pmcgowan> we won't have "two sdks", but we will keep it simple for 14.04
[15:22] <bfiller> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Layouts/
[15:24] <pmcgowan> there is a devices API, need to check it
[15:24] <greyback> nope, nothing in qtubuntu for that
[15:24] <pmcgowan> there is in qt if I recall right
[15:25] <mhall119> greyback: can you join the hangout?
[15:26] <greyback> mhall119: if you'd like. I've not much to say
[15:26] <mhall119> greyback: you have questions :)
[15:26] <mhall119> iBelieve: you too if you can join
[15:26] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpji96dlvlrvqdueto0ho8u4?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:26] <iBelieve> mhall119:I wish, but I'm not 18 yet, so Google won't let me :(
[15:26] <mhall119> ah, that limit sucks
[15:27] <iBelieve> yeah, it is disappointing
[15:30] <asomething> These should be landing along with Qt 5.2 in trusty http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/06/06/desktop-components-for-qt-5/
[15:32] <iBelieve> mhall119:I meant an app's own preferences/settings
[15:34] <michelR> in previous vUDS? Katie said that settings will be unified via HUD
[15:36] <iBelieve> when I referred to displaying in a separate window, I was referring to the SDK somehow opening it in a separate window on the desktop. The developer wouldn't be able to open windows.
[15:37] <iBelieve> No desktop app that I know of replaces the app's content view with settings or puts the settings in a tab, so the current way of having everything from an app in one window doesn't make sense on the desktop.
[15:39] <iBelieve> bfiller:an example of an app that doesn't scale well when being resized is the calendar app. It looks really bad when maximized.
[15:40] <boiko> desktop Qt apps are given the chance to limit their sizes if they want to, maybe that's something we can include in the mainview or layout API?
[15:41] <mhall119> iBelieve: if we're going to provide a unified way or defining and displaying settings, we can offer something like a modal dialog on desktop yes
[15:42] <karni> Was a bit in an out. Were pickers and toolbars mentioned? How would they change when a tablet switches to 'desktop' mode with keyboard and mose, or how common bits on the phone & desktop?
[15:44] <iBelieve> QUESTION: Will multi-touch mice/touchpads, like on Macs, be supported? For example, if there is a mouse, but it is multi-touch, then scrollbars would be hidden as on touch.
[15:47] <mhall119> karni: toolbars were, pickers not yet
[15:47] <mhall119> switching from touch to mouse input has also been discussed
[15:48] <iBelieve> mhall119:I heard/saw that, but I don't think anything about multi-touch mouse input was discussed.
[15:51] <mhall119> iBelieve: right, I was answering karni
[15:51] <karni> mhall119: I'll review that, thanks
[15:51] <iBelieve> mhall119:oh, sorry
[16:03] <karni> Thanks all
[16:07] <bfiller> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1311-appdev-1311-apps-systemapps-roadmap
[16:10] <tedg> bfiller, Any plans to increase HUD usage in the core apps?
[16:13] <tedg> bfiller, Cool, thanks!
[16:27] <tedg> bfiller, I thought syncevolution just needed to be setup?  Why can't that land?
[16:32] <tedg> bfiller, My understanding is that it's build for that use-case.  So it's more a matter of setting up a refresh.
[16:32] <tedg> bfiller, I believe that kenvandine knows more about it.
[16:32] <tedg> He likes work items :-)
[16:32] <kenvandine> tedg, not really, ideally we really need UOA support
[16:32] <kenvandine> and a mechanism to make it refresh
[16:32] <tedg> kenvandine, I thought that UOA support was in progress?
[16:33] <kenvandine> not sure what the latest is
[16:33] <kenvandine> tedg, i know upstream is receptive to it
[16:33] <tedg> K
[16:33] <tedg> The Upstart guys are talking about trying to get the time bridge working this cycle.
[16:34] <tedg> So that'd provide the refresh mechanism
[16:36] <tedg> Thanks bfiller, great update!
[16:36] <karni> Thank you bfiller!
[16:37] <bfiller> you're welcome :)
[18:07] <Kaleo> hi
[18:08] <pmcgowan> mhall119, this your HO?
[18:08] <mhall119> pmcgowan: kind of
[18:08] <pmcgowan> I mean setting it up
[18:09] <Kaleo> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjq6gpjgk9fene1cuscahkk?authuser=1&hl=en
[18:09] <mhall119> pmcgowan: I've setup the hanout, going live now
[18:09] <mhall119> it's Kaleo's topic though
[18:09] <pmcgowan> understood
[18:11] <Kaleo> mzanetti, you want to join?
[18:11] <Kaleo> kenvandine, ? :)
[18:12] <dobey> pmcgowan: yeah i think the fan noise is you
[18:12] <kenvandine> Kaleo, i'm in another session
[18:12] <Kaleo> :)
[18:12] <kenvandine> Kaleo, but if you need me, ping me :)
[18:12] <pmcgowan> dobey, yeah
[18:13] <aquarius> consider my +1 for jsonlistmodel.... or +100 :)
[18:13] <kenvandine> +10 for me :)
[18:13] <aquarius> given that, and some way to do authentication, working with remote APIs is trivial
[18:14] <aquarius> it's reasonably easy now, if you implement stuff yourself with XHR, but it'd be nice if that was wrapped up in something.
[18:14] <Kaleo> aquarius, nice
[18:14] <Kaleo> aquarius, join us!
[18:14] <dobey> heh. i have thought a lot about this problem, but never got around to writing the stuff i wanted to write, to do this. and then the current online-accounts stuff got written and i had nothing to do with it
[18:15] <aquarius> the biggest problem here isn't JSONListModel, really, it's authentication. JSONListModel isn't that hard to implement yourself, but it is hard to implement generically so that you can do arbitrary authentication methods (oauth, basic auth, add api key to every request, flickrauth, etc)
[18:15] <aquarius> pmcgowan, I think that that abstraction layer you're talking about *is* JSONListModel
[18:15] <aquarius> I'm not sure anything more complex is required
[18:16] <mzanetti> yeah. the problem is that you need queries
[18:16] <aquarius> Kaleo, I'm trying to cook dinner at the same time, henc not joinnig ;)
[18:16] <aquarius> mzanetti, xmllistmodel handles that well with query and role; jsonlistmodel can do a similar thing, using JSON Pointer.
[18:16] <Kaleo> ok
[18:16] <aquarius> this is what JSON Pointer is *for* :)
[18:16] <dobey> aquarius: you need google glass apparently
[18:16] <aquarius> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6901
[18:16] <dobey> aquarius: then we can watch you cook, and listen to you rant, at the same time
[18:17] <aquarius> jsonpointer RFC
[18:17] <dobey> mhall119: why do we even have online-accounts then? :)
[18:19] <aquarius> mhall119, almost nobody uses basic auth for API access.
[18:19] <dobey> having written a non-standard online-accounts plug-in, i wouldn't recommend other people do it
[18:19] <aquarius> mhall119, it's either api key based, or oauth. Neither are a username/password combinaion.
[18:19] <pmcgowan> I mispoke when I said basic
[18:19] <dobey> it would be nice if it didn't require adding the metadata to use basic auth or oauth though
[18:20] <dobey> you'd be surprised how many services use basic auth
[18:21] <aquarius> I think you guys are confusing two things to do with API auth here: there is "how do I get the credentials" (which is clearly Online Accounts's job) and then "once I have the credentials, how do I use them to make a request for the API endpoint" (which is not necessarily Online Accounts at all; it is oauth signing, or flickr auth signing, or getting a frob, or whatever)
[18:21] <dobey> there are thousands of sites that use basic auth
[18:21] <dobey> aquarius just isn't interested in them because they're not web 10.0
[18:21] <aquarius> dobey, for json-based APIs? I think I'd disagree, but OK -- my point is really that there are many different auth methods
[18:21] <dobey> aquarius: they aren't necessarily using JSON, no. but they exist
[18:22] <aquarius> It's not at all clear to me that "make a request to the endpoint and use the credentials" belongs in Online Accounts at all; that sounds like something my app should do
[18:22] <dobey> mhall119: i mean it would be nice if for standard auth models (basic, pure oauth, etc… ) that one didn't need to provide the service/provider info for online-accounts
[18:22] <dobey> just have an API to say "here is my endpoint, or the realm i need to use" "set it up"
[18:23] <mzanetti> so I guess OnlineAccounts would need to be capable of signing oauth parameters and/or building those queries - depending on which oauth method is used
[18:25] <dobey> aquarius: i think they do belong there. every app that wants to show an image from flickr shouldn't have to duplicate code to talk to flickr
[18:25] <aquarius> dobey, right, but I can't think what a generic API would look like that Online Accounts can provide to apps
[18:25] <pmcgowan> do we need any additional level of abstraction like a DataSource ?
[18:25] <Kaleo> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/DataEngines
[18:26] <dobey> aquarius: i sort of can, but i never got around to actually writing it (as i said earlier) :)
[18:26] <mzanetti> Kaleo: that's probably not what we want
[18:26] <Kaleo> http://developer.blackberry.com/native/reference/cascades/bb__data__datasource.html
[18:26] <aquarius> OnlineAccounts.Account.requestThisApiUrlUsingWhateverAuthMethodYouNeedToUse("http://service.com/api/method?whatever"), I suppose/
[18:26] <dobey> aquarius: i mean, we're already doing some of this anyway, in unity. the scopes api does exactly that (though in most cases currently unauthenticated)
[18:26] <Kaleo> http://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/cascades/device_platform/data_access/using_data_source.html
[18:27] <aquarius> dobey, right, but the scopes API is very constrained: it provides getAListOfSearchResults and getDataForThisOneSearchResult, and then the rest is scope-specific
[18:27] <aquarius> dobey, apps want to do things other than those :)
[18:27] <dobey> aquarius: right. i'm just saying it's a start, not the end solution
[18:27] <aquarius> like, say, upgrade my account by paying £5 or something. It's hard to see how to map that onto a generic API
[18:28] <dobey> aquarius: for basic things like searching inside the gallery app, for photos on flickr, it'd work great
[18:28] <mzanetti> aquarius: yeah... that's what I think too
[18:28] <aquarius> Kaleo, all the datasource stuff I know about doesn't handle authentication very well :(
[18:28] <dobey> aquarius: it doesn't need to be a totally generic api though
[18:28] <dobey> aquarius: it needs to be generic for doing generic things, and provide a way to do specific things when needed
[18:30] <aquarius> This conversation is, I think, too handwavy. Kaleo, mhall119, I think a useful approach might be to define four or five things that would be good to talk to, and then define what the API would look like that would allow talking to them. So a couple of the things that dobey mentioned which have basic auth, and then Flickr, Yummly.com, and Paypal, for example
[18:33] <aquarius> mhall119, there is potential commonality here with the generic json scope, no? Both need a semi-generic way to define a JSON endpoint, queries into it to get data, and auth...
[18:33] <mhall119> aquarius: to a point yes, but I think apps will need more than scopes
[18:33] <aquarius> I can rough out a few different APIs if you want me to, mhall119
[18:34] <aquarius> happy to do, say, simple flickr, yummly, and something that dobey comes up with?
[18:34] <aquarius> but it will look a lot like What Stuart Wants The API To Look Like
[18:34] <Kaleo> What Stuart Wants The API To Look Like is usually good
[18:35] <aquarius> bilf: there are about fifteen different half-baked implementations of JSONListModel ;)
[18:35] <aquarius> er, bfiller ;)
[18:35] <mzanetti> yeah... exacly bfiller... You never know what you get. in the end you have tree of json objects but you don't know what to do with it
[18:36] <dobey> JSON, XML, or csv are the most common way to get data
[18:36] <aquarius> bfiller, do you have a few good examples of that sort of XML data?
[18:36] <aquarius> something that's not easily parseable with xmllistmodel but *is* regular enough that it could be parsed with a theoretical BillFillerXMLListModel? (i.e., not totally irregular)
[18:37] <pmcgowan> the rss reader also did a lot with this
[18:37] <pmcgowan> xml data
[18:39] <aquarius> bfiller, being unable to parse multi-model XML into a ListModel isn't really an XML parsing problem... it's a function of ListModel itself. The rule for a ListModel is that all the items in the model have to have the same keys -- you are not supposed to have one ListModel which contains both airlines and hotels :)
[18:39] <pmcgowan> sounds like the problem is very data/site specific
[18:39] <aquarius> bfiller, that's not an XML problem -- you can't have one ListModel with both airlines and hotels in it even if you populate it yourself
[18:41] <aquarius> you can get to the parent node, indeed
[18:42] <Kaleo> http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_and_Web_Services
[18:43] <aquarius> you'd end up with your ListElements being { type: airline, details: { an airline-specific dict of stuff }}, { type: hotel, details: { an hotel-specific dict of stuff }}
[18:43] <aquarius> bfiller, yeah, I've been going on about auth and controlling the request from XMLListModel for the whole session, don't worrk ;)
[18:43] <aquarius> *worry :)
[18:43] <bfiller> aquarius: haha, good :)
[18:45] <aquarius> No way to create an XML/JSON doc from input data simply in QML, other than by hand ( mydoc = {name: qmlinputfield.text, address: qmlinputfield2.text}, etc)
[18:46] <aquarius> Kaleo, yeah, I just noticed that that work item is totally fixed by your link ;)
[18:46] <Kaleo> :)
[18:46] <Kaleo> aquarius, write a beautiful Stuart API TM
[18:46] <Kaleo> aquarius, that's the next work item for you
[18:46]  * aquarius updates the notes to point at Kaleo's link ;)
[18:48] <mzanetti> yeah... I guess I can look into it if kgunn is fine with it
[18:49] <Kaleo> lol
[18:49]  * aquarius laughs
[18:49] <aquarius> stop trying to just trying to assign stuff to me :)
[18:49] <bfiller> aquarius: good example of problem I was talking about: http://qt-project.org/forums/viewthread/3685
[18:50] <aquarius> bfiller, right. That dude there wants a ListModel which contains both Channel and Program items
[18:50] <aquarius> that's not allowed. ListModels don't work like that.
[18:50] <aquarius> It would be nice if they did, but they don't ;)
[18:51] <bfiller> aquarius: I want the same thing :)
[18:51] <aquarius> I see what you mean about the parent node thnig, though
[18:52] <kyleN> I'll be glad to write something up with a bit of guidance to start with from the technical experts
[18:52] <mzanetti> o/
[18:52] <pmcgowan> kyleN, thanks
[18:53] <bfiller> aquarius: your ListElement example above though is exactly what I want but from XmlListModel. Looks like it's easy with Json to do it
[19:10] <aquarius> bfiller, yeah... ideally you'd do this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6454817/ but it doesn't work, which must be an XmlListModel limitation where it won't ascend to the parent :(
[19:12] <aquarius> bfiller_afk, mzanetti ^


[07:44] <tsdgeos> cimi: ping
[08:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: landed \o/
[08:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, hi, nice
[10:05] <tsdgeos> cimi: ping
[10:11] <cimi> tsdgeos, pong
[10:11] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you re-top-approve https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/expandable_not_expanded_by_default/+merge/262719 ?
[10:11] <tsdgeos> i had to re-merge it and need to get the "Approved revision:" to be updated
[10:14] <tsdgeos> cimi: tx
[12:15] <mardy> greyback: hi! So, about that issue, do you have any idea of what could be wrong? Should I set the QT_QPA_PLATFORM manually, somewhere?
[12:17] <greyback> mardy: would this patch change anything: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/unity8/set-qpa-env-for-clients/+merge/263253
[12:17] <greyback> mardy: could you edit the file on disk and see
[12:20]  * mardy tries
[12:27] <mardy> greyback: nope, doesn't help :-(
[12:28] <greyback> mardy: hmm, ok then I'll have to try it myself
[12:28] <mardy> greyback: btw, I have a QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME variable set to appmenu-qt5, could that be messing up things?
[12:28] <greyback> mardy: oh yeah, do unset that
[12:28] <mardy> greyback: I'll try unsetting it from that unity8.conf, and see if that helps
[12:35] <greyback> mardy: have you started cgmanager
[12:36] <mardy> greyback: *I* didn't (don't even know what it is), do you want me to check if it's running?
[12:36] <greyback> mardy: it doesn't get started automatically for me. systemctl start cgmanager
[12:37] <greyback> mardy: once it is working, apps launch ok for me
[12:38] <mardy> greyback: ah, I'll try. But now I have to remove those two env variables, because not even unity8 starts (maybe I made a spelling mistake?)
[12:38] <greyback> mardy: unity8.log output might help
[12:43] <mardy> greyback: nope, still doesn't work; but do you have those changes in unity8.conf, besides launching cgmanager?
[12:43] <greyback> mardy: I don't have those edits in my unity8.conf, but I once found it helped
[12:44] <greyback> I'll need log files to be able to diagnose further. That and /proc/`pidof unity8-dash`/environ contents
[12:59] <mardy> greyback_: I uploaded a couple of log files to bug 1436203
[14:23] <mardy> greyback: do the logs suggest you something else to try?
[14:36] <greyback> MacSlow: aren't you staying to chat?
[14:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: did you include my sdk_13 and quick_24 branches on the silo?
[14:37] <tsdgeos> obviously not
[14:37] <tsdgeos> because they are not approved
[14:37] <mzanetti> :)
[14:37] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:37] <MacSlow> greyback, crap... one sec :)
[14:37] <tsdgeos> it's a good thing though because also they don't pass now that we merged more stuff
[14:37]  * tsdgeos fixes
[14:38] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I hope to get another silo landed this week still
[14:38] <mzanetti> so just make sure they're ready by tomorrow afternoon or so and they'll make it
[14:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: it is good now, still needs people to review and approve
[14:54] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ack
[16:14] <MacSlow> greyback, I take a break and continue with the visible-flag stuff later. Any ping I'll probably do via email.
[16:14] <greyback> MacSlow: sure. Have a good evening
[16:15] <MacSlow> greyback, thx
[16:15] <MacSlow> you too
[16:37] <bregma> if I am having trouble using the App Store from the Unity 8 desktop, who can help me?
[16:42] <mardy> greyback: I wonder if you are the right person for this: are you aware of a bug with the full shell rotation on the BQ, where sometimes the screen appears like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mardytardi/19702611018/in/dateposted/ ?
[16:43] <mardy> or Saviq maybe? ^
[16:43] <greyback> mardy: that shouldn't happen, any idea how you managed that?
[16:43] <greyback> as in, dash should only be in portrait mode on the Bq, never landscape
[16:44] <greyback> mardy: Saviq not working on unity atm
[16:45] <mardy> greyback: no idea how it happened, I'll see if I can reproduce it again somehow, but I guess I can file a bug, right?
[16:45] <greyback> mardy: file away. Impossible thing happened...
[16:45] <mardy> greyback: oh, it's actually easy to reproduce
[16:46] <mardy> greyback: well, at least something similar
[16:46] <greyback> mardy: if you reboot and repro easily, definitely let us know.
[16:46] <greyback> but I suspect some state has gone funny somewhere
[16:47] <mardy> greyback: oh, it's easy; I'll file a bug with the steps
[16:54] <Side_rai> Hi guys
[16:54] <Side_rai> I'm getting mad with an hidpi screen
[16:55] <Side_rai> is there any option to properly configure hidpi res?
[16:55] <mardy> greyback: bug 1476757
[16:56] <Saviq> Side_rai, you should just use the display's native resolution and set the scaling factor to taste (bear in mind there are things that don't respect the scaling, so it's not 100% great)
[16:57] <mardy> greyback: ah, mup is dead. See here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1476757
[16:57] <mardy> greyback: I can reproduce it 100% of times
[16:58] <Side_rai> that's what I did... but it every applications seems to have it's own strategy... I  mean the scaling factor does not affect libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird an so on
[16:59] <Saviq> Side_rai, indeed, that's because those apps you listed use a custom toolkit
[16:59] <Saviq> Side_rai, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/HiDpi#OS_.2F_HiDPI_detection_issues
[17:00] <Saviq> Side_rai, this says that LibreOffice should work fine after you set the scale...
[17:00]  * Saviq does not have a hidpi screen, mzanetti can you comment on this ↑?
[17:01] <Saviq> Side_rai, which Ubuntu version btw?
[17:01] <conyoo> uuu ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑
[17:02] <Saviq> ??
[17:02] <Side_rai>  #95-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 19 09:28:15 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:04] <Saviq> Side_rai, that's kernel, and it doesn't say much, what does `lsb_release -r` say?
[17:05] <Side_rai> sorry 14.04
[17:07] <Saviq> ok that's a good choice all in all, it *might* be that 15.04 has some fixes regarding hidpi, but I couldn't say for sure
[17:08] <Saviq> it'd be best if you could boot from a live usb to see if things changed
[17:08] <Side_rai> ok, I'll give a try! thank you so much!
[17:08] <Side_rai> bye
[17:13] <greyback> mardy: you found that with rc-proposed, or stable?
[17:13] <greyback> I'm unable to repro with rc-proposed
[19:41] <davidcalle> bregma, ping
[19:41] <bregma> davidcalle, ???
[19:42] <davidcalle> bregma, hi, do you know if someone from your team doing automated testing of the Unity7 dash UI?
[19:42] <davidcalle> bregma, Songkick is concerned with our API usage ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-scope-songkick/+bug/1476614 ) and it looks like automated tests eg : (+10 000 q/day for things like "mitsub" (probably the beginning of mitsubishi) and "FAK" (-> "FAKE"?))
[19:43] <davidcalle> bregma, I've asked quality folks, it's not them, so maybe, if it's Unity7, you might now
[19:43] <bregma> davidcalle, I run the automated tests for Unity 7 and they don;t run every day
[19:43] <bregma> in fact, often not even once a week, if we have no changes pending
[19:44] <bregma> we also don't have automated tests for scopes like that, at least that I am aware of
[19:44]  * bregma does not like to underestimate his lack of awareness
[19:47] <davidcalle> bregma, ok, that could totally be someone else stress testing the system.  Thanks. I'll put the problem back into the hands of the server people, and give them a hammer :)
[19:47] <bregma> davidcalle, also, I can't even find that particular scope in the Ubuntu archives
[19:48] <davidcalle> bregma, server side scope. Try "songkick:u2" in your Unity7 dash
[19:48] <davidcalle> it's from dash.ubuntu.com


[02:42] <skaet_> jbicha,  spotted https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-files/+bug/1046774 that appears to be missing your +1,  can you take a look at it?   translations is ok.
[02:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046774 in unity-lens-files "[UIFe] Add filesystem icons to unity-lens-files" [Medium,Fix committed]
[02:43]  * skaet_ scrubbing through the UIFe/FFes
[02:46] <skaet_> infinity,  are you aware of any further progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit/+bug/1005682
[02:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1005682 in webkit "FFE: Update webkit to 1.9.91" [Wishlist,In progress]
[02:47] <jbicha> skaet_: done
[02:47] <skaet_> thanks jbicha
[05:51] <infinity> skaet_: I think the best way forward on 1005682 for now is to do a whole lot of nothing until someone can make the new upstream build.  Reverting doesn't seem like a much better option than moving forward.
[05:52] <infinity> skaet_: And I'll stand by that even if we have to bump the upstream version post-release to 1.10
[06:02] <mardy> iulian: ping
[06:03] <didrocks> infinity: hey
[06:04] <didrocks> infinity: I discussed yesterday with skaet_ seeing powerpc not being at its best to have everything migrating from -proposed to the quantal pocket in time for the iso spinning
[06:05] <didrocks> infinity: I did the copy this morning (and also promoted unity-lens-shopping to main), so after a publisher run, is it possible to have an iso respin?
[07:08] <infinity> didrocks: Err, wait, what?
[07:08] <infinity> didrocks: We really could have waited for PPC to catch up.
[07:09] <didrocks> infinity: oh? didn't know, wasn't clear there was a way to wait when talking to skaet_ yesterday
[07:09] <infinity> didrocks: What do you mean no way to wait?
[07:09] <infinity> didrocks: We wait by... Not promoting stuff until it's built on all arches. :P
[07:10] <didrocks> infinity: hum, sorry, but that's what I did, isn't it?
[07:10] <didrocks> infinity: I waited for all arch to be built to copy to quantal and then promoting unity-lens-shopping
[07:10] <infinity> didrocks: Oh, that's not what I got from your message in backscroll.
[07:10] <infinity> didrocks: I misread you. :P
[07:10] <didrocks> infinity: sorry, my fault surely :)
[07:11] <didrocks> so I waited for everything to be built
[07:11] <didrocks> even powerpc
[07:11] <infinity> didrocks: Anyhow, which ISO(s) are you looking to respin?  Just ubuntu desktop?
[07:11] <didrocks> that's why I did the copy and promotion only this morning :)
[07:11] <didrocks> infinity: yeah, ubuntu-desktop, maybe edubuntu as well as it's using unity AFAIK?
[07:12] <infinity> didrocks: ubuntu-desktop builds in 19 minutes via cron anyway.
[07:12] <infinity> 7:31 UTC.
[07:12] <didrocks> infinity: ah, excellent then! I thought the schedule was way earlier
[07:13] <infinity> And edubuntu probably won't have any testers tonight anyway, so I suspect it can wait unless someone complains later. :P
[07:13] <didrocks> thanks :)
[07:13] <didrocks> ok
[07:13] <infinity> (We haven't disabled cron, and I won't until Monday, so dailies should be fine for now)
[07:13] <infinity> But you'll get ubuntu-desktop quite soon.
[07:14] <didrocks> excellent, thanks :)
[07:14]  * infinity decides it's bed time before he has any more knee-jerk reactions to misread IRC messages. ;)
[07:14] <didrocks> infinity: heh, have a good night :)
[08:53] <iulian> Morning.
[08:53] <iulian> mardy: Contentless pings are of no use.
[08:55] <mardy> iulian: hi! They can be useful indeed :-)
[08:55] <mardy> iulian: I wrote you a couple of lines yesterday evening, I can re-paste them if you don't find them
[08:55] <knome> ogra_, hey, are you still the person to contact about hwdb.ubuntu.com?
[08:59] <iulian> mardy: Did you? Can't see them in my backscroll. Please do.
[09:00]  * iulian goes to make some tea.
[09:00] <iulian> Be right back.
[09:00] <mardy> iulian: it's about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shotwell/+bug/1046461
[09:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046461 in shotwell "[UIFe] [FFe] UOA integration needs to support multiple accounts" [High,New]
[09:01] <mardy> iulian: I got the patch ready (and submitted as a merge request), but we first need a green signal from the release team
[09:02] <ogra_> knome, nope
[09:03] <ogra_> knome, try cr3 or someone from his team (canadian TZ)
[09:03] <knome> ogra_, ok, thanks
[09:16] <iulian> mardy: OK briliant. It looks good. You can go ahead and upload but it won't get in until beta 2 is released.
[09:16] <mardy> iulian: that's fine. Thanks!
[09:17] <mardy> iulian: will you please write a comment on the bug itself? I'm not going to do the upload myself, so I need a proof of the approval
[09:18] <iulian> mardy: You can just paste that in the bug report.
[09:18] <mardy> iulian: silly me, thanks :-)
[10:12] <cjwatson> ^- above grub2 fixes the use of the stupid URL http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/uefi/grub-efi-amd64-amd64/ (it'll be .../grub2-amd64/ now)
[10:31] <Laney> cjwatson: looking, care to trade for ^?
[10:32] <Riddell> balloons: on the ISO testers what's the meaning of "run once", that reads the same as mandatory to me since they only need to be done once per image
[10:33] <cjwatson> Laney: sure
[10:35] <Laney> cjwatson: I assume that whatever consumes that URL is updated accordingly. LGTM.
[10:36] <cjwatson> Laney: Nothing consumes it yet
[10:37] <cjwatson> I haven't uploaded grub2-signed yet
[10:37] <cjwatson> I noticed the mad URL when preparing that :-)
[10:37] <cjwatson> gtk+3.0 accepted
[10:37] <Laney> merci
[10:46] <psivaa> cjwatson, during my i386 p2q upgrade on a vm after the reboot at the end, i get 'error: file not found.' and prompts for grub rescue>
[10:47] <psivaa> is this known already? i dont know how to get the logs from here, also this the fist time, if you'd like i could run another upgrade
[10:47] <cjwatson> no, don't erase the evidence
[10:47] <cjwatson> https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#GRUB-only-offers-a-rescue-shell
[10:47] <cjwatson> may help get to the point where you have logs
[10:48] <psivaa> right thanks, ill follow that and see if i could get the logs
[10:48] <cjwatson> "error: file not found" is characteristic of GRUB 1.99 from precise
[10:48] <cjwatson> Usually, anyway
[10:49] <cjwatson> So my suspicion is that GRUB was installed to the wrong device for some reason, probably because the precise installation was misconfigured
[10:49] <cjwatson> We uncover some of these misconfigurations basically any time we make a non-trivial change to GRUB
[10:49] <Laney> is it possible to detect them?
[10:50] <cjwatson> If I knew how I already would have done
[10:50] <cjwatson> But not really given the crap PC architecture
[10:51] <psivaa> this is on a vm and entire disk was used for installation
[10:52] <cjwatson> Manually or using some helper tool?
[10:52] <psivaa> that is the precise installation
[10:52] <cjwatson> I mean, did you drive the installer manually
[10:53] <psivaa> the precise was manually installed
[10:53] <cjwatson> OK, that's somewhat concerning
[10:53] <cjwatson> You might need to attach a live image to the VM and boot using that
[10:54] <cjwatson> And then send me /var/cache/debconf/config.dat from the VM's normal disk
[10:54] <cjwatson> And a listing of /boot/grub
[10:54] <psivaa> in fact this was a clone of another vm, but this is a full clone, not a linked one though
[10:55] <psivaa> right ill do that
[11:02] <Riddell> cjwatson: is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdicons/ in revision control somewhere?  I want to add this to it http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-img.png
[11:17] <cjwatson> Riddell: No, manually maintained
[11:18] <cjwatson> Riddell: I've dropped that in for you
[11:19] <cjwatson> (and on releases too)
[11:24] <Riddell> thanks
[12:03] <cjwatson> stgraber: Do you know what's going on with the mysterious edubuntu-dvd/quantal/i386 failure that looks like a success?
[12:03] <cjwatson> psivaa: I don't want copies of the files under /boot/grub - I want a listing of the contents of /boot/grub
[12:03] <cjwatson> psivaa: i.e. 'ls -l /boot/grub'
[12:06] <Laney> ^- that is for discussion before being accepted
[12:07] <Laney> back in 60
[12:08] <psivaa> cjwatson, https://pastebin.canonical.com/75013/
[12:10] <cjwatson> psivaa: Right, thanks.  Will follow up by mail
[12:10] <psivaa> cjwatson, ack
[12:16] <ahasenack> hi, can I get someone to upload the package from bug #1053057 please? It's critical for us. Not critical for quantal, but for the SRU I need to make and this is the first step
[12:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053057 in landscape-client "Client queues up lshw calls if talking to old server" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053057
[12:16] <ahasenack> actually, it's in quantal-proposed already I was told
[12:16] <ahasenack> or
[12:16] <ahasenack> well, in the "limbo"
[12:16] <ahasenack> needs approval
[12:16] <ahasenack> sorry for not using the right terms
[12:17] <cjwatson> Oh, sure, I can move that since it's built
[12:17] <cjwatson> Let me just do some checks
[12:17] <ahasenack> cjwatson: thanks
[12:19] <cjwatson> ahasenack: copied to quantal
[12:21] <ahasenack> cjwatson: thanks a lot
[12:27] <balloons> Riddell, well.. I suppose the idea is between respins they only have to be run-once.. lol.. honestly your right
[12:27] <Riddell> balloons: oh I see
[12:27] <balloons> the only other option is to have only 1 person run them.
[12:27] <balloons> when we do our package testing and we have a run-once, we don't need multiple results from everyone for it.. I guess..
[12:28] <knome> i thought run-once is once per milestone
[12:30] <balloons> knome, right I agree.. The trouble is that we do run them for every iso
[12:31] <balloons> err.. for every respin
[12:31] <balloons> by definition, I suppose we're saying we don't "have to", but in practice it ends up being the same
[12:34] <knome> balloons, :)
[12:34] <knome> there should be some indicator if that test was already ran, if it's under a milestone
[12:35] <knome> (eg. not daily)
[12:50] <balloons> knome, hmm.. indeed. It's one of the issues we had with the 'cadence' week ideas as well. That is to say, over the course of a week, try and get every testcases ran; no matter which daily you ran it on
[12:50] <knome> :)
[12:50] <knome> sounds good
[12:52] <balloons> lol.. does this mean we file a bug report for such a thing?
[12:52] <knome> maybe
[12:53] <cjwatson> babyface_: Can you kick a jenkins retry of quantal-core-armhf_default for bug 1053892?  I can't reproduce it locally, and there's reason to believe that it may have been transient (though I know you saw it twice)
[12:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053892 in Ubuntu Quantal "failed to install quantal-core-armhf_default(20120921): some packages(mountall:amd64, upstart:amd64, iproute:amd64) have have unmet dependencies" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053892
[12:53] <cjwatson> Well, you saw it twice only a couple of hours apart
[13:05] <jibel> cjwatson, it was transient, it occurs when versions of gcc on amd64 and armhf are different i.e each time a new version of gcc is uploaded. I'll close it.
[13:12] <stgraber> cjwatson: nope, I saw it yesterday but hadn't had a chance to look at it yet...
[13:14] <skaet_> mvo,  could you do the GnomeAppInstallDesktopDatabaseUpdate (if you haven't already)?
[13:15] <mvo> skaet_: thanks, the extraction is running right now, hopefully ready before my EOD
[13:15] <skaet_> thanks mvo :)
[13:17] <mvo> yw!
[13:35] <cjwatson> jibel: right, that's roughly what I thought, just wanted to have a new run to confirm it.  Thanks
[13:36] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'd also have to check, but it looks like even though we're getting a failure, the .iso contains the new squashfs...
[13:37] <cjwatson> stgraber: I wondered if it was a failure in the LTSP bit at the end
[13:38] <stgraber> cjwatson: it looks like it but the resulting squashfs looks good. I'll have a look at the code right after the mksquashfs in livecd-rootfs
[13:40] <stgraber> cjwatson: do you have a way to know when it started failing? I don't have enough e-mail history and the logs aren't really helping here...
[13:40] <cjwatson> memory says yesterday
[13:41]  * Laney looks
[13:42] <Laney> looks like today is the first instance of this
[13:43] <stgraber> looking at ./live-build/auto/build the only case where it'd cause that output (without another error) is if mksquashfs would return non-zero without printing an error...
[13:46] <cjwatson> Laney: I'm nearly certain this is at least the second such mail I've seen
[13:46] <Laney> the first instance in the last couple of days
[13:47] <ogra_> omap4 failed every day since a while
[13:47] <Laney> perhaps 20120919/amd64 is similar
[13:54] <stgraber> started a livefs-only build of Edubuntu (all arches) to get up to date logs on what's going on with i386 and armhf (hoping amd64 is still good)
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: that's an actual failure with you know a reason and stuff
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: this one has no obvious reason which is why I'm asking
[13:54] <ogra_> cjwatson, some are, others are just cut off
[13:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: oh, yeah, ok, the last one was cut off
[13:55] <ogra_> wednesday too
[13:55] <ogra_> Unpacking lintian (from .../lintian_<IP_ADDRESS>_all.deb) ...
[13:55] <ogra_> Selecting previously unselected package linux-firmware.
[13:55] <ogra_> Unpacking linux-firmware (from .../linux-firmware_1.93_all.deb) ...
[13:55] <ogra_> thats where the wed. one ends for me
[14:03] <skaet> cjwatson, ogra_,   in the desktop weekly,  they mention that foundation's XDG_RUNTIME_DIR support still didn't land.   Is there an ETA?
[14:03] <cjwatson> skaet: I don't know - slangasek was doing that
[14:03] <ogra_> skaet, cant say, its slangasek who implements it and he is on vac. this week
[14:04] <cjwatson> He was active on it before being on vac
[14:04] <ogra_> (i mentioned that there are no updates for it, in our report
[14:04] <ogra_> )
[14:04] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Could you review the grub2/amd64 binaries in unapproved?  I changed the tarball name to result in a more sensible URL on archive.u.c
[14:04] <jdstrand> ok
[14:04] <skaet> thanks cjwatson, ogra_.   didrocks, ^,  guess we'll need to get the latest from slangasek when he's back from vacation.
[14:05] <didrocks> yeah, I was waiting anxiously ogra_'s report :)
[14:06] <ogra_> didrocks, sorry that it didnt have any good newes for you :(
[14:06] <ogra_> *news
[14:06] <didrocks> ogra_: well, don't shoot the messenger, right? :)
[14:06] <ogra_> :)
[14:06] <jdstrand> cjwatson: done
[14:06] <cjwatson> ta
[14:16] <stgraber> edubuntu-dvd-i386 on cardamom.buildd finished at 2012-09-21 14:15:40 (success)
[14:17] <stgraber> cjwatson: looks like whatever the problem was it's either happening randomly, disappeared or for some reason doesn't happen with manual builds...
[14:20] <cjwatson> freaky
[14:30] <ogra_> skaet, urgh ... it just struck me that i had changed the seeds for LibO inclusion on arm but forgot to upload -meta, mind if i do that (if not i can also revert the seed change, we should just not have a discrepancy during beta here)
[14:31] <cjwatson> meta uploads are quick
[14:31] <skaet> ogra_  please do the upload.   rather have things consistent at this point.
[14:31] <ogra_> indeed, but i want to make sure i dont step on anyones toes
[14:31] <skaet> thanks.  :)
[14:43] <jbicha> skaet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam#Weekly_Meeting isn't at 1600 UTC today, right?
[14:44] <skaet> jbicha, stale data from standard time.  its at 1500
[14:44] <smartboyhw> 20 minutes later
[14:45] <skaet> fixed
[15:24] <hggdh> who creates the daily images for arm (specifically armhf-omap4)?
[15:24] <cjwatson> cdimage team
[15:24] <cjwatson> well, I mean, cron mostly
[15:30] <hggdh> the current armhf-omap4 install fails with "no kernels found". Under which component should I open the bug?
[15:30] <ogra_> server or desktop ?
[15:30] <hggdh> server
[15:30] <ogra_> d-i
[15:30] <hggdh> k
[15:31] <ogra_> though probably not worth a bug since it will fix itself with the next d-i upload
[15:32] <ogra_> (there was an upload of the kernel yesterady, d-i will need to pick that up)
[15:36] <xnox> ogra_: can we fail daily build if d-i != kernel?
[15:36] <xnox> ubiquity handles it ok.
[15:36] <ogra_> not sure how easy that is
[15:36] <xnox> ogra_: you are building squashfs already, it could check.
[15:37] <hggdh> ogra_: actually, I have been seeing it for the last 3 days, but it took me a while to discard test code errors
[15:37] <hggdh> ogra_: bug 1054143
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054143 in debian-installer "armhf-omap4: 20120921 daily server image fails to install with "no kernels found"" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054143
[15:37] <ogra_> 3.5.0-210.16 was uploaded on tue.
[15:38] <hggdh> ah
[15:38] <ogra_> hmm, and there was a d-i upload bumping the abi
[15:38] <ogra_> also on tue.
[15:38] <xnox> yeah, infinity did it?! yes or no?
[15:38] <bjf> infinity, bug 1047242
[15:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047242 in linux "linux: 3.2.0-31.50 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047242
[15:38] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, he did
[15:39] <ogra_> so that should all have been fine
[15:39] <bjf> infinity, are we past the friday, no-copy, time
[15:39] <hggdh> and -17 uploaded yesterday, and -18 today
[15:40] <ogra_> yeah, but they are all not abi bumps
[15:40] <ogra_> could be that the archive always went out of sync with the image right after the images were built or so ...
[15:41] <hggdh> it could. Weirder things have happened
[15:41] <hggdh> :-)
[15:42] <ogra_> oh, wait
[15:42] <ogra_> linux-meta-ti-omap4 (<IP_ADDRESS>.9) quantal-proposed; urgency=low
[15:42] <ogra_>   * Ubuntu-3.5.0-210.16
[15:42] <ogra_> so there is the reason for todays breakage
[15:42] <ogra_> meta doesnt point to the recent one
[15:46] <ogra_> in any case you boot with .16 in your syslog
[15:46] <ogra_> and it downloads bits from .17
[15:47] <ogra_> hggdh, i guess you can blame ppisati for not uploading to -proposed
[15:47] <hggdh> heh
[15:50] <infinity> bjf: Nah, Friday morning is fine. ;)
[15:51] <infinity> ogra_: Hrm?  meta points to the recent one.  The changelog is a lie.
[15:52] <infinity> ogra_: Since meta only points to 3.5.0-210, not 210.16 specifically. :P
[15:52] <ogra_> infinity, meta wasnt uploaded after .17
[15:52] <ogra_> oh, k
[15:52] <infinity> ogra_: Yes, see above.  meta points to the ABI, not the specific build.
[15:54] <cjwatson> xnox: cdimage attempts to but doesn't always manage
[15:54] <infinity> bjf: Any idea why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/1047347 still isn't done?
[15:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047347 in kernel-sru-workflow/security-signoff "linux-ti-omap4: 2.6.38-1209.26 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]
[15:54] <bjf> infinity: looking
[15:54] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. =(
[15:54] <cjwatson> xnox: (fail the build if d-i and the kernel don't match, that is)
[15:55] <infinity> bjf: Oh, just caught jjo's comment.
[15:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: -meta doesn't affect the "no kernels found" message anyway
[15:55] <cjwatson> ogra_: that message pertains to udebs, not debs
[15:55] <infinity> jjohansen: Can we get a sign-off on 1047347 despite the broken changelog?
[15:58] <herton> bjf, infinity: yeah, told ppisati about the ti-omap4 on natty too, waiting on jjohansen as well to see if it will need a respin or it can get signed-off
[15:58] <infinity> herton: Check.
[15:58] <bjf> herton, we're not respinning just for a changelog typo
[15:58] <herton> bjf, hmmok
[15:58] <infinity> herton: My personal recommendation would be to fix the changelog in git, so it's correct in the next release, but let the current package slide.
[15:58] <infinity> herton: But, meh.
[15:59] <herton> infinity, no next release, hopefully this is the last one (natty going EOL)
[15:59] <infinity> Oh, true dat.
[15:59] <xnox> can I just add stuff to ubuntu-release pad things to be considered for respins?
[15:59] <xnox> e.g. bug 1053112
[15:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053112 in ubuntu "ubiquity crashes when orca is running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053112
[15:59] <infinity> Even less reason to care about the typo, then.
[15:59] <infinity> xnox: Sure.
[16:00] <jbicha> skaet: opened bug 1054167
[16:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054167 in unity "Unity launcher for Quantal Beta 2 has too many items, scrolls off the screen on 1366x768" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054167
[16:00] <skaet> jbicha,  thanks!
[16:01] <cjwatson> xnox: but note that the cron jobs haven't been disabled yet, and likely won't be until Monday
[16:02] <cjwatson> xnox: So if you fix it today then you don't need to bother
[16:02] <xnox> cjwatson: I see.
[16:03] <infinity> xnox: Yes, there's also that. ;)
[16:04] <xnox> yeah, but they still need to be accepted =)
[16:05] <infinity> We have people who can do those sorts of things.
[16:05] <infinity> Top Men.
[16:06] <infinity> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoy4_h7Pb3M
[16:07] <Laney> xnox: we got that: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-atk/2.5.92-0ubuntu2
[16:07] <xnox> Laney: hmm...
[16:08] <xnox> cjwatson: why did this upload https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-atk/2.5.92-0ubuntu2 did not close the bug report?
[16:08] <xnox> oh, wait it was in ubuntu project and not against the right package at the time.
[16:08] <Laney> it wasn't o
[16:08] <Laney> yes
[16:08] <infinity> xnox: Because the bug report was in the wrong package.
[16:08] <infinity> Jinx, and such.
[16:08]  * xnox give an old man to think out loud ! =)
[16:37] <skaet> infinity,  with your beta 2 hat on, could you prioritize a review of: webapps-applications 2.4.6-0ubuntu1, webapps-greasemonkey 2.3.1-0ubuntu1, unity-firefox-extension 2.3-0ubuntu1 - would like to make sure there is no problems from the perspective of including them in the archive.
[16:37] <infinity> skaet: Yeah, I was getting there.
[16:38] <infinity> You'll note I've been doing queue things this morning. :P
[16:39] <skaet> thanks infinity,   we're using https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps/+bug/1040313 for tracking this,  so if there are any issues,  could you please note it there.
[16:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040313 in libunity-webapps "[FFE] Update WebApps to support Firefox" [High,Confirmed]
[16:42] <popey> skaet, bug 1054204
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054204 in libreoffice "Libreoffice chooses incorrect font weight" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054204
[16:42] <skaet> thanks popey
[18:27] <skaet> infinity, Laney, jbicha - design has weighed in on https://launchpad.net/bugs/1054167,  and we'll be going with it as is.
[18:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1054167 in unity "Unity launcher for Quantal Beta 2 has too many items, scrolls off the screen on 1366x768" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:27] <skaet> (or rather as it will be after the pieces land in the archive)
[18:28] <Laney> ok
[18:43] <skaet> chrisccoulson, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/globalmenu-extension/+bug/1051152 the greasemonkey issue you're concerned about?
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1051152 in globalmenu-extension "Firefox 16 beta crash in nsIContent::SetAttr with greasemonkey installed" [Critical,Fix committed]
[18:43] <olli> skaet, chrisccoulson I have asked desrt to look at that one
[18:44] <olli> hasn't replied yet
[18:44] <skaet> thanks olli
[18:45] <skaet> mterry,  is there an eta when you'll have the ubuntu-meta upload ready?
[18:45]  * skaet sees he's not in the channel....
[19:03] <mterry> skaet, sorry, was in shower
[19:06] <mterry> skaet, so am still tracking down with webapps dev team some usability/integration issues I'm seeing with everything installed together.  The ubuntu-meta upload is simple enough to do once things are in the archive
[19:13] <olli> skaet, mterry, finally heading for lunch, bbiab
[19:13] <skaet> ok olli,  thanks for letting us know.
[19:24] <infinity> mterry: So, in light of issues being found, does that mean you want me to hold off on the NEW review of all of this stuff?  That was going to be a chunk of my afternoon.
[19:25] <mterry> infinity, this seems to be bugs-with-integration/migration-for-existing-users not working.  Not sure that should necessarily stop NEW, but should stop FFe
[19:26] <infinity> mterry: Well, they're part and parcel, since letting it through NEW sort of defacto grants the FFe.
[19:26] <mterry> infinity, OK.  Then hold off
[19:26] <mterry> infinity, sorry for scheduling snafu
[19:27] <infinity> You're not the only one trying to push scary changes late, I'll get over it.
[19:27] <infinity> Which reminds me, I need to look at kmod this afternoon too.
[19:27] <mterry> infinity, or, I suppose you could do the review work itself, but not push the button.  Whatever works best for you
[19:27] <infinity> Where's apw when I need him?  Silly timezones.
[19:28] <infinity> mterry: I have enough on my plate for now that I'm happy to just put it on hold until I'm told it's ready.  But if I find a spare moment, I can review for generic packaging/license/etc stuff.
[19:29] <mterry> infinity, OK!  Will let y'all know when I have fixes in place
[19:31] <skaet> mterry, infinity - please let jbicha know explicitly when they go through,  since he's trying to get the screenshots done, and this is a pre-req.
[19:31] <skaet> mterry,  does it make sense for him to potentially do them out of your PPA?
[19:32]  * mterry tries to hug jbicha without getting close enough for him to land a punch
[19:32] <mterry> skaet, depends what he needs screenshots of.  jbicha, poke me when you're around and depending on your needs, you may be able to use my PPA
[19:33] <skaet> thanks mterry,  am not sure of the details,  we'll need it from jbicha
[19:33] <skaet> infinity,  what's your availability tonight/this weekend?
[19:34] <infinity> skaet: I'm vaguely having a life most of the weekend.  Improv festival and other shenanigans.
[19:34] <skaet> infinity,  could you check through the packages then this afternoon,  to make sure there are no other surprises that need addressing.
[19:35] <Laney> zul: Daviey: Say, these quantums that got uploaded. They the ones that bug #1046432 was about?
[19:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046432 in quantum "FFE for quantum" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046432
[19:35] <zul> Laney: yeah
[19:35] <infinity> skaet: I'll try to make time shortly to at least give them a once-over for obvious crack.
[19:36] <Laney> zul: you decided not to bother with the FFe then? :/
[19:36] <skaet> infinity,  thanks.
[19:37] <zul> Laney: wha?
[19:38] <zul> Ah ok..yeah i need to provide more info
[19:38] <Laney> well, the uploads happened before it was granted
[19:38] <Laney> not sure there's much point in providing the information now ...
[20:10] <jbicha> mterry: so the new webapps might not land tonight? what's the ppa link?
[20:10] <mterry> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/~mterry/+archive/ppa  (building now)
[20:11] <mterry> or at least publishing now
[20:11] <jbicha> oh, we're getting nethack? awesome
[20:11] <mterry> jbicha, heh
[20:11] <mterry> jbicha, that's for natty
[21:13] <skaet> infinity, mterry, Laney - I've update http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release with the latest status I'm aware of,  re the issues being worked, and bugs under investigation.   Please update as the problems with webapps gets resolved.
[21:15] <skaet> infinity,  Laney,  stgraber,  cjwatson -  I'm going to be traveling/offline for next 24 hours.   will check the backscroll when I'm back near a connection.
[21:15] <stgraber> ok
[21:15] <mterry> ok.  so far I know of a migration script for webapps-applications, a new libunity-webapps to add affiliate codes, and 3 bug fixes for uncertain packages
[21:17] <skaet> mterry,  thanks.   what about the ubuntu-meta?   anyhow,  please make sure all the elements are listed on the pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release - so we can make sure they all get through together as needed.  :)
[21:18] <skaet> stgraber, infinity, Laney,  cjwatson - if mterry's code lands while I'm offline,  please help get it landed after review.
[21:18] <mterry> skaet, that too, but I was going to upload that after everything else hit the archives.  Else I'd have to manually edit it rather than rely on its update script, but if it's easier to have it as one dump, I can do that
[21:19] <skaet> mterry,  when fixes are ready,  and coordinate with the release team in this channel for the prefered approach.
[21:22]  * skaet --> travel now
[21:42] <cjwatson> mterry: I'd definitely prefer ubuntu-meta only to be done by way of its update script
[21:43] <mterry> cjwatson, yar
[21:43] <mterry> we can drop in everything, update meta, then drop it in
[21:47] <infinity> The meta ./update scripts probably need to take a --proposed switch.
[21:48] <infinity> But, for now, waiting a few publisher cycles isn't world-ending. :P
[22:37] <cjwatson> libunity-webapps looks fine - accepted
[22:39] <cjwatson> infinity: are we taking this new -ti-omap4 kernel from quantal-proposed?  It changes ABI, but I suppose we ought to refresh d-i anyway really
[22:39] <cjwatson> I promoted gcc-defaults
[22:40] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, I had planned to take it.
[22:41] <cjwatson> OK
[22:41] <infinity> cjwatson: d-i could use a refresh to pick up the non-ABI-changing bits in the master kernel anyway.
[22:41] <infinity> cjwatson: I'll promote and do a d-i upload later tonight before I piss off for the weekend.
[22:42] <cjwatson> Also to pick up my rescue change.
[22:43] <infinity> All the more reason.
[22:44] <infinity> Promoted gtk as well.
[22:47] <cjwatson> That didn't depend on the new (broken) glib2.0?
[22:48] <cjwatson> I am Jack's lack of britney
[22:48] <infinity> cjwatson: I don't see how it would.
[22:48] <cjwatson> You never know :-)
[22:48] <infinity> The new one only changed packaging.
[22:48] <infinity> If that broke ABI, I'm impressed.
[22:49] <infinity> And a bit disturbed. :P
[22:49] <cjwatson> But, yeah, doesn't seem to
[22:50] <cjwatson> Oh, huh, glib2.0 in -proposed is no worse in terms of building on ARM than in release
[22:50] <cjwatson> So I guess in theory we could promote that
[22:50] <cjwatson> I kind of wanted to hear from pitti though
[22:50] <infinity> slangasek: Just for you (kmod) ---^
[22:51] <infinity> cjwatson: Err, ugh.  Who promoted it when it wasn't built on all arches? >:(
[22:51] <infinity> Too many fingers in this pie.
[22:51] <Laney> no, it was uploaded to release in error in the first place
[22:51] <infinity> Oh, was it?  Check.
[22:52] <infinity> Indeed.  Okay, that somehow annoys me slightly less.
[22:52] <infinity> In that proper machinery will someday solve this. :P
[22:52] <cjwatson> I've also done archive processing on all the MIRs that could be done.
[22:52] <Laney> that makes it sod's law
[22:52] <infinity> Laney: As in "if you don't like the law, sod off"?
[22:52] <mterry> Hello again
[22:53] <mterry> OK, I think we're ready.  Let me get package names and version numbers
[22:53] <mterry> libunity-webapps 2.3.8-0ubuntu2
[22:53] <infinity> mterry: You're dangerously close to the end of my week here. ;)
[22:53] <Laney> as in "Oh, I cocked up and uploaded it to the wrong place. Oh look, now it's broken. Yippee!"
[22:53] <mterry> webapps-applications 2.4.6-0ubuntu2
[22:53] <Laney> If he uploaded to proposed in the first place it would have all worked. :P
[22:53] <infinity> cjwatson: Hah, you NBS faster than I do.
[22:54] <mterry> webapps-greasemonkey 2.3.1-0ubuntu1
[22:54] <mterry> unity-firefox-extension 2.3.2-0ubuntu1
[22:54] <mterry> EOL
[22:54] <cjwatson> infinity: Yes, I'm a real fast copy and paste monkey
[22:54] <mterry> webapps-greasemonkey didn't actually have a recent release, but the other three did
[22:55] <mterry> olli, ^
[22:55] <cjwatson> infinity: (Also, props for being bothered to remember how to find binary publishing history)
[22:55]  * cjwatson wonders how all of this blindingly new webapps stuff is at version 2.x already
[22:56] <knome> they got to be, it's web 2.0 now.
[22:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Binary publishing history what now?  What did I do today when I was napping?
[22:56] <cjwatson> infinity: Well, either that or you just guessed I did the NBS processing.
[22:56] <infinity> cjwatson: Or I copy-and-monkeyed and it told me "no".
[22:56] <cjwatson> Right, but you guessed it was me and not somebody else :-)
[22:57] <cjwatson> (Accurately, though)
[22:57] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, right.  That was a safe bet without looking. :P
[22:58] <cjwatson> I wonder if I can ingest enough coffee to be able to sort out bug 1036616 before I go to bed
[22:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1036616 in launchpad "Custom uploads cannot be effectively staged in a PPA" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1036616
[23:00] <cjwatson> Incidentally, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-September/035912.html is relevant to this channel
[23:00] <infinity> cjwatson: \o/
[23:01] <olli> mterry, infinity, cjwatson, Laney skaet asked me to ping you guys on the successful webapps upload which mterry did
[23:01] <olli> is there anything left to do or are you guys taking it from here?
[23:02] <infinity> olli: We'll take it from here until we tell you you've done it wrong.
[23:02] <infinity> olli: Sound good? :)
[23:02] <Laney> Senõr Conrad is on the case
[23:02] <olli> infinity, wfm
[23:02] <infinity> Si.
[23:03] <olli> infinity, this should imho take care of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps/+bug/1040313
[23:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040313 in libunity-webapps "[FFE] Update WebApps to support Firefox" [High,Confirmed]
[23:03] <olli> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps/+bug/1053578 as mentioned in "issues" in the release pad
[23:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053578 in libunity-webapps "[FFE] [UIFE] add chromeless mode to Firefox" [High,Triaged]
[23:03] <phillw> cjwatson: I hope so, when the dust settles I would appreciate a bit of your time for ppc - if you could pencil some thing into your over loaded diary.
[23:03] <mterry> olli, infinity: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/webapps-applications/+bug/1046840
[23:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046840 in unity "[UIFE][FFE] Install Amazon and Ubuntu One Music Store webapp items in the launcher by default" [High,Fix released]
[23:03] <olli> and the trigger "webapps" should imho also be resolved
[23:03] <mterry> olli, it will not fix chromeless mode remember
[23:04] <mterry> olli, that isn't working and we decided to not fix
[23:04] <olli> true
[23:04] <cjwatson> phillw: go ahead
[23:04] <infinity> Right, copying linux-ti-omap4 to -release, and going for food.  d-i upload later when the archive settles.
[23:04] <infinity> Then weekend.
[23:04] <olli> mterry, thanks again for your help
[23:04] <mterry> yup, thanks everyone for still being around on a Friday
[23:04] <olli> release & doc & translation team, thanks for your patience with this one
[23:05] <cjwatson> Laney: Your ~ is apparently excessively greased and slipped sideways.
[23:05] <phillw> cjwatson: Adam gave the best he knew on the ppc issues, something happened after A3 that has crippled things :(
[23:05] <infinity> Err, what?
[23:05] <Laney> señor?
[23:05] <infinity> I thought we just talked about oversized, not crippling issues.
[23:05] <Laney> sẽnor?
[23:06]  * Laney can't make any others work
[23:06] <phillw> infinity: btw, you asked to be reminded to put lubuntu iso's on a diet :)
[23:06] <infinity> Laney: Señor.
[23:06] <cjwatson> Oversizedness doesn't seem crippling.  I'd have thought most powerpc machines that could still run *buntu had DVD drives anyway.
[23:06] <infinity> phillw: Yeah, I'll poke at that for you on Monday.
[23:06] <cjwatson> ^- grub2-signed 1.1 totally not b2-critical, just wanted it off my disk
[23:06] <phillw> cjwatson: it is not the oversize
[23:06] <infinity> cjwatson: None of the current PPC dailies are actually oversized anyway.
[23:06] <cjwatson> phillw: then you might want to be just a little more specific
[23:07] <infinity> cjwatson: (Though some other lubuntu images are, and I'll balance those later for them)
[23:07] <phillw> cjwatson: if you get chance, can you have a read of the bugs?
[23:07] <cjwatson> phillw: what bugs?
[23:08] <phillw> cjwatson: sorry me email is down, I'm going to pull up the QA meeting logs... takes me a couple of minutes
[23:10]  * mterry signs off
[23:23] <phillw> cjwatson: I cannot access them, balloons should be coming on soon to give the numbers
[23:23] <balloons> 1040544 1040526 1044180
[23:23] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1040544
[23:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040544 in ubiquity "Installer dialog does not come up on PPC" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:23] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1040526
[23:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040526 in linux "Graphics dithered on Desktop image" [Medium,Confirmed]
[23:23] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1044180
[23:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1044180 in lightdm "Screen Freeze on Bootup - Lubuntu 12.10 PPC Alternate Aug 30 Build" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:27] <phillw> balloons: thanks
[23:28] <phillw> 1040256 is not a priority!
[23:30] <cjwatson> Sorry, I can't help with bug 1040544, which is the only one there that's really in my general area.  It seems to be something to do with window management or X or the kernel's graphics drivers, rather than a problem with ubiquity itself.
[23:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040544 in ubiquity "Installer dialog does not come up on PPC" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040544
[23:30] <cjwatson> You need to find some kind of graphicsy person.
[23:31] <phillw> cjwatson: can I ask what happened between A3 and B1?
[23:31] <phillw> we had ppc working at A3, Adam suggests that it was a kernel change?
[23:32] <cjwatson> I have no idea.  That's too wide a range for me even to begin to guess.
[23:32] <cjwatson> I'm not aware of any specific "hey, let's break powerpc" change ...
[23:32] <phillw> something happened between A3 and beta 1.
[23:32] <cjwatson> Remember that this could be an emergent effect of any one of thousands of changes to quite a number of packages.
[23:33] <cjwatson> It's not much use to try guessing that way.
[23:33] <cjwatson> There was probably a new X stack in there, if memory serves
[23:33] <phillw> cjwatson: is there any way to get the A3 shrunk to standard CD size?
[23:33] <cjwatson> But I expect there were also quite a few kernel changes
[23:34] <phillw> then, at least, the testers could add in stuff one step at a time?
[23:34] <cjwatson> We can't build alpha-3 any more; we no longer have that archive.
[23:34] <cjwatson> So no, not unless you want to go stripping stuff out by hand.
[23:34] <phillw> cjwatson: I have the iso on the server.
[23:35] <cjwatson> Surely there must be somebody with Radeon and a DVD drive.  Lots of Macs used to fit that description.
[23:36] <phillw> I really don't know about this area, all I have ensured is that the milestone A3 iso's are still there.
[23:36] <cjwatson> Re bug 1040526, I can certainly amend CD docs as needed, but I would really strongly prefer to have authoritative directions from somebody who knows about kernel graphics and/or X, rather than effectively passing on guesswork
[23:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040526 in linux "Graphics dithered on Desktop image" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040526
[23:36] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I don't know about this area either.  Sorry.
[23:36] <cjwatson> You might try #ubuntu-x or #ubuntu-kernel, although probably more during working hours of some kind.
[23:36] <cjwatson> They might at least know how to debug it.
[23:37] <cjwatson> The tail of 1040526 suggests that switching powerpc to GRUB might be helpful, but there's no way I can squeeze that in for 12.10 - and it's not like alpha-3 was using GRUB.
[23:39] <phillw> cjwatson: one of the things that was suggested, and crazy as it seems... could we revert back to an on-size A3? Before the changes to kernal / install etc were made?
[23:39] <cjwatson> No.
[23:39] <cjwatson> Completely impossible.
[23:40] <cjwatson> Reverting individual packages is one thing (although the whole X stack for a problem on one architecture, not so much)
[23:40] <cjwatson> Reverting the whole archive - not possible
[23:40] <phillw> hmm. okies.. as the b1 was a fail from day one, I was hoping to plead regression.
[23:40] <cjwatson> You can plead all you like, but I'm afraid it is well beyond difficult and into totally and utterly infeasible.  Sorry.
[23:41] <phillw> it is only ppc, and only lubuntu (as we're the only ones doing it)
[23:41] <cjwatson> We can't revert just one architecture and just one flavour like that.
[23:41] <cjwatson> You guys wanted to be part of the Ubuntu archive :-)
[23:41] <cjwatson> Means you have to play by the rules, which include building off the current archive
[23:41] <phillw> okies, lubuntu and ppc to me, are two different teams.
[23:42] <cjwatson> Doesn't matter
[23:42] <cjwatson> Anyway, alpha-3 would be unreleaseable for other reasons
[23:43] <phillw> cjwatson: so, it appears that a ppc for 12.10 is not possible... too many bugs & no resolutions possible?
[23:43] <cjwatson> You can certainly try assembling images by hand based on that, although it isn't going to be quick
[23:43] <cjwatson> I would not like to make such a judgement four weeks out
[23:43] <cjwatson> I am simply saying that *I* can't help
[23:43] <cjwatson> And I gave you directions to two different channels which include people likely to be quite clueful about this stuff
[23:44] <cjwatson> So you should really follow those up (on Monday, probably) before giving up
[23:44] <phillw> Thanks, I will ask there, but the fact the kernel was changed does fill me with dread.
[23:44] <cjwatson> It shouldn't.  That's kind of the job of #ubuntu-kernel.
[23:45] <cjwatson> FWIW my suspicions would fall on the X stack for preference, but that may not be worth much as this is not my field.
[23:45] <phillw> cjwatson: and, personally, please do not think I'm giving you a hard time. I just would really like a ppc out for 12.10
[23:45] <cjwatson> Ask people who know :-)
[23:46] <cjwatson> I don't think you're giving me a hard time - I just genuinely can't help any more than the attempts I've already made (which in retrospect were indeed likely to be invalid if these problems are Radeon-specific)
[23:46] <phillw> I'll go and make my self unpopular on their channels :P
[23:47] <cjwatson> If the X or kernel teams say that this is going to need a boot parameter workaround, I'm more than happy to either install that by default on the images or document it for some users, depending on what's appropriate
[23:47] <cjwatson> But normally, boot parameters aren't the solution we prefer
[23:49] <phillw> cjwatson: do you mind if I cc this chat to the ppc testers?
[23:50] <cjwatson> Not at all
[23:50] <phillw> again, thanks
[23:50] <cjwatson> It's publicly logged anyway
[23:50] <cjwatson> Or will be when the bot catches up
[23:51] <phillw> the L-QA people do not hang about on here, i'm always the messenger to be shot :P
[23:51] <phillw> so, far, so good :D
[23:52] <cjwatson> There's no problem with people lurking and such
[23:54] <phillw> I do keep telling them that, some have only just got used to being on -testing.
[23:54] <phillw> as they are also told when the -release pad goes up, so they can see what is happening for respins etc.


[06:48] <tseliot> apw: are you around?
[06:50] <smb> tseliot, Only if suffering from insomnia
[06:51] <tseliot> smb: that would make the two of us ;)
[06:51] <smb> tseliot, Heh, yeah. Somehow I fell out of bed early today
[06:52] <tseliot> it is rather annoying...
[06:54] <smb> At least my office is less hot this morning.
[07:45]  * apw yawns
[07:49] <RAOF> BEES!
[07:49]  * smb gets second cup of coffee
[07:49] <RAOF> Time for another steaming cup of bees!
[07:51] <smb> A stinging start into the day. :)
[08:01] <cking> bees? the buzzy sort?
[08:04]  * ppisati grabs more coffee
[08:11] <Daviey> Morning, Please can a linux-meta for saucy be uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/pre-proposed/+packages.
[08:55] <apw> Daviey, i had ben staying away from doing that because we haven't switched yet ... and the versions in that ppa are always -0 so they self update
[08:59] <Daviey> apw: Ah, the reason i wanted it was to simply upgrading to the pre-proposed kernel.
[08:59] <Daviey> surely if you add the PPA, you want the latest?
[09:08] <apw> Daviey, yeah probabally, it isn't have we have used that PPA generally, it is more about builds
[09:08] <apw> i'll see about making an unstable branch in out meta perhaps, ick
[09:22] <Daviey> apw: thanks
[10:44] <apw> Daviey, ok it is building
[10:44] <apw> expect it in the ppa in half hour or so
[10:50] <Daviey> apw: thanks
[10:51]  * ppisati goes out for lunch
[10:52] <apw> ppisati, good plan
[10:59] <smb> apw, Depending on weather conditions... :)
[10:59] <apw> heh true
[12:40]  * apw will be dropping shortly to shift locations ...
[12:41] <rtg_> apw, going to work from your local pub ?
[12:46] <apw> rtg_, oh that would be nice
[12:46] <rtg_> apw, laundramat then ?
[12:47] <apw> in laws ... not sure if that is the saem
[12:47] <apw> closest to a local pub :)
[12:47] <rtg_> surely just as much fun
[14:32] <tseliot> apw, ogasawara, rtg_: nvidia(s), fglrx(s) and broadcom should be all set for linux 3.10
[14:32] <ogasawara> tseliot: awesome, thanks!
[14:32] <rtg_> tseliot, cool. I'll upload first thing Monday
[14:32] <tseliot> good :)
[14:33] <rtg_> Daviey, y'all ready with your dkms bits ?
[14:34] <Daviey> rtg_: The primary package is a bit more complicated than we hoped.
[14:34] <Daviey> openvswitch is going to be a real pain from what we can see
[14:34] <rtg_> Daviey, bummer
[14:35] <rtg_> Daviey, do you have any folks running saucy that'll crater if I upload a 3.10 kernel ?
[14:35] <Daviey> rtg_: James Page and I both found it to be a PITA independently, but James summarised it to upstream - http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2013-June/028822.html
[14:36] <Daviey> rtg_: Well, i don't think it's a good idea to block getting 3.10 in.  We are looking to have a cheat/compat
[14:36] <rtg_> Daviey, I have to wonder why ovs isn't in the upstream kernel
[14:37] <Daviey> rtg_: half of it is..
[14:37] <Daviey> They are introducing it into mainline in chewable hunks.
[14:37] <rtg_> the half that works :)
[14:38] <rtg_> ok
[14:48] <apw> man the traffic is epic today ... sigh
[14:50] <smb> apw, Is that so unusual on a Friday where you are
[14:50] <apw> smb, this early it is yeah, but the world is full i think
[14:53] <smb> apw, Yeah, that too. Here it is not uncommon to start at 2 or 3pm as commuters from farther places move home. At least I used to be stuck in there when I was one of those a long time ago... :)
[14:56] <apw> oh no
[15:27] <jsalisbury> cking, quick pci question.  Is the value for a devices "Subsystem" set in the devices firmware?  For example the values 1000:0012 in the following lspci output:
[15:27] <jsalisbury>  01:08.0 Communication controller: NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller (rev 01)
[15:27] <jsalisbury>         Subsystem: Device [1000:0012]
[15:33] <infinity> jsalisbury: It comes from the device, if that's what you mean.  Whether that's firmware or hardware, or whatever, depends on the device in question.
[15:34] <jsalisbury> infinity, cool, makes sense.
[15:34] <infinity> jsalisbury: (Plus, in cases like full system builds, laptops come to mind, it can be masked so, for instance, all devices in a Lenovo laptop claim to be "Lenovo" instead of "Intel" and "Atheros")
[15:34] <infinity> jsalisbury: Which can be both a good or bad thing, depending on what you hope to do with said numbers. :P
[15:35] <jsalisbury> infinity, ahh, interesting
[15:35] <jsalisbury> infinity, that is definitly something to remember so not to go down a rat hole :-)
[15:38] <infinity> jsalisbury: I suppose it may be more accurate to say that it can come from the device, or the host bridge, or the ACPI tables in the BIOS, and any higher level can override the lower levels.
[15:39] <infinity> jsalisbury: Most devices themselves won't have a subsystem ID, except when they do, some hostbridges will override, some won't, and most pre-build systems seem to override in ACPI tables, except the ones that don't. :P
[15:40] <infinity> (But it's handy for, say, isolating "intel_hda, but only on on lenovo laptops", cause you can match the device ID with the subsystem ID)
[15:40] <jsalisbury> infinity, very informative.  Thanks for the details.
[16:15]  * ppisati -> EOW
[17:02]  * henrix -> EOW
[17:17]  * rtg_ -> lunch
[18:27]  * cking -> EOW
[18:44]  * rtg_ -> EOW


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[01:50] <Lord-Sid> me podrian recomendar un programa para hacer facturas
[01:51] <EagleScreen_> la hoja de cálculo de OpenOffice?
[01:52] <amelie> spreadsheet?
[02:00] <Walzmyn> ok, once I download a new plasmoid, how do I put it in play?
[02:04] <EagleScreen_> Add widgets in the context menu
[02:49] <yesterday_> dsaf
[02:49] <yesterday_> hello0
[02:50] <yesterday_> nobody answer me??
[02:51] <Sir_Brizz> because people often respond to dsaf?
[02:53] <frito_lay> i shall respond ASDF
[02:55] <yesterday_> o  sorry
[03:01] <Sir_Brizz> lol
[03:01] <Sir_Brizz> so he leaves
[03:01] <Sir_Brizz> rofl
[03:08] <sithlord48> can any one help me get filenames with colors back in dolphin for svn files.
[03:09] <daskreech> sithlord48: tried in #kde ?
[03:09] <sithlord48> daskreech: i have not  i will do so .
[03:55] <mikism> g
[05:32] <sabgenton> I've got a blank HD and I'm looking at a mirror with   10.04 and  10.04.1
[05:32] <sabgenton> download 10.04.1 ?
[05:34] <phoenix_> is there any audio player that allows user defined audio output
[05:36] <dan_l> phoenix_, what do you mean?
[05:38] <phoenix_> dan_l: i have created a alsa settings for lowpassfilter and upmix names upmix_20to51. i can use it as custom audio device in xmbc but not in any other player
[06:01] <Pavel_10> Can anyone help me with a Wine issue?  I'm trying to run amazon's kindle app through it, but when I select the program from the wine menu, I get the icon animation and then nothing happens
[06:01] <Pavel_10> do I need to move the kindle program files to a wine directory?
[06:06] <magn3ts> I love what has been done with the installer.
[06:06] <magn3ts> Is the install, config while installing included in Ubuntu as well?
[06:06] <magn3ts> It's brilliant.
[06:06] <magn3ts> (And all of this belongs in #kubuntu+1, so sorry. I always forget)
[06:34] <phoenix_> i have modified alsa setting to get my subwoofer working for stereo audio files. the subwoofer works perfectly but i can play only one source at a time
[07:19] <anthony__> fdjkl
[07:50] <erigais> heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey guys
[07:50] <erigais> by chance anyone know how to take a screen shot in kubuntus?
[08:01] <jemand> erigais the prog is names ksnapshot
[08:01] <erigais> coolio, thanx man
[08:02] <jemand> you may already have it   just push "PRINT" (screen)
[08:02] <erigais> wow so east
[08:02] <erigais> so EASY
[08:52] <terrax> Anyone in here using kubuntu maverick?
[08:53] <terrax> with latest radeon driver from xorg edgers?
[09:03] <phoenix_> any experts here
[09:20] <jussi> phoenix_: yes, there are. just ask your question and find out if anyone knows the answer...
[09:20] <phoenix_> i have modified alsa setting to get my subwoofer working for stereo audio files. the subwoofer works perfectly but i can play only one source at a time
[09:21] <phoenix_> jussi: i have modified alsa setting to get my subwoofer working for stereo audio files. the subwoofer works perfectly but i can play only one source at a time
[09:21] <jussi> phoenix_: using pulse?
[09:21] <phoenix_> jussi: no alsa]
[09:21] <jussi> are you sure pulse is not installed (it keeps creaping in for me)
[09:21] <phoenix_> jussi: shall i paste my .asoundrc
[09:22] <phoenix_> jussi: just installed ladspa plugins and modified .asoundrc
[09:23] <jussi> phoenix_: check that pulse is not installed - it can mess around with things...
[09:25] <phoenix_> jussi: searching my system for any pulseaudio files
[09:28] <phoenix_> jussi: pulseaudio for vlc, xmbc and browser are installed
[09:30] <jussi> phoenix_: Im not an exper in this area, tbh. Hopefully someone with more experience can drop by and help you out. (but be patient, its morning :D)
[09:31] <phoenix_> jussi: ok, after trying for a year without any support i got the subwoofer working for stereo audio today except this small problem.
[09:32] <phoenix_> jussi: anyway i will wait
[09:32] <jussi> phoenix_: yeah, frustrarting. as I mentioned, Ive found having pulse installed can cause the issue you mention. (and uninstalling it fixes the issue).
[09:33] <phoenix_> jussi: what is your soundcard
[09:33] <jussi> phoenix_: some standard intel hda
[09:34] <phoenix_> jussi: so no problem for you
[09:57] <olskolirc> where can i get desktop plasma widgets please?
[10:02] <phoenix_> olskolirc: http://kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=70x77x78&PHPSESSID=1c894ba13af5b3bc769ff3bb43b29ae5
[10:05] <olskolirc> thanks phoenix_ that site gives me the run around when I do it on my own :-)
[10:07] <phoenix_> olskolirc:have you tried the get new wigets button in the widgets list
[10:10] <olskolirc> yeah im tired of all of those and i don't like most of them
[10:10] <olskolirc> i have cwp weather it rocks
[10:10] <olskolirc> I have a timer too
[10:44] <N|ghtWo|f> hi
[10:45] <N|ghtWo|f> how can i put the kconsole working with proxy ?
[10:45] <N|ghtWo|f> nothing seems to work (wget, add-aptrepositories ...)
[10:46] <N|ghtWo|f> i tried the command export HTTP_PROXY but i got the same results
[11:16] <nebulas> help
[11:16] <nebulas> kompozer
[12:26] <hansti> алёё
[12:26] <hansti> есть кто ?
[12:47] <thomas____> can anyone help me get yahoo mail through thunderbird?
[12:48] <phoenix_> thomas____: hello thomas
[12:51] <thomas____> phoenix:can you help?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[13:34] <BluesKaj> oops , I take that 2nd howdy back:)
[13:55] <cuznt> i have 3 kubuntu pc's and can not connect any of them to share folders
[13:55] <cuznt> !share
[14:06] <cuznt> i can not connect by network smb
[14:21] <cuznt> !smb
[14:23] <zarkone> hey all!
[14:23] <zarkone> can somebody who use Strigi tell if this thing ever stop. It always indexing
[14:24] <zarkone> will it stop when indexing will be done or it do it recursevly?
[14:41] <jtheuer> strigi is very strange. it says for example: "0 files in index, 731MB index size" although I set the max index size to 200 MB.
[14:45] <seicherlbob> hi! When I plug in an USB device, i get the following syslog: http://pastebin.com/GbQa8D5e (device not accepting address 29, error -62). It is a hotkey-panel of my silverstone case. any ideas how to make ubuntu recognize the panel?
[15:19] <ese_> any idea on how i could recover deleted files including directory on an ext3
[15:20] <EagleScreen_> ese_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[15:25] <ese_> EagleScreen: Thankyou for your help. but i had problems with restoring "directory". I couldn't be lucky with that....any idea..plz
[15:44] <seicherlbob> when plugging a usb device i get error -62 in syslog and the device is not recognized. any suggestions what that means?
[16:04] <olskolirc> is there any sign of Maverick in the repository yet?
[16:04] <olskolirc> I can't see it im on Karmic
[16:07] <EagleScreen_> yes olskolirc, for maverick talk, visit #ubuntu+1
[16:08] <olskolirc> thanks EagleScreen_
[16:47] <vbgunz> I just upgraded to the mainline kernel 2.6.34 on 10.04. I did this to try and get trim/discard support. I am seeing a 40mb increase all around on my ssd. thats awesome except for 1 caveat. hibernation takes excruciatingly long in the 2 minute range whereas resuming is amazingly at about the 20 second mark. why so long to hibernate? any clues?
[16:48] <vbgunz> free -m tells me only 1gb of data is currently in ram
[16:51] <vbgunz> im gonna try it again and take down the time
[17:16] <dralexxx> hi all
[17:28] <dralexxx> hi, i upgraded my ubuntu 10.04 ltc to 10.10 from update manager and it end up without a graphic environement.how to turn iton?
[17:31] <Wazza> 10.10 is not a sure version
[17:34] <wispurs> hey, i switched to linux after bieng hacked, so im a complete noob.  can anyone tell me if the konversation irc client has any channel anti flood settings, or scripts i can download/install to do this, without having to try andconfigure an eggdrop?
[17:38] <James147> wispurs: what do you mean by 'anti flood settings'? what are you trying to filter?
[17:38] <wispurs> channel floods and bot net joins
[17:39] <James147> wispurs: you should be albe to turn off the part/join messages... although I dont know koversation very well,
[17:39] <wispurs> that would be counter productive
[17:39] <wispurs> lol
[17:39] <wispurs> i want a script for protecting the channel of floods
[17:39] <wispurs> not really just me
[17:40] <wispurs> i guess i should have explained that better
[17:40] <James147> wispurs: um... your not allowed to bring bots to the *ubuntu channels... they have their own floodbots
[17:40] <wispurs> lol
[17:40] <wispurs> its not an ubuntu channel
[17:40] <wispurs> its my own channel on efnet
[17:41] <wispurs> let me elaborate:  when using a client like Mirc on windows, you are able to download and configure a script to protect the channel when you arent watching
[17:42] <IELTS> hello every one
[17:42] <wispurs> im looking for something similair either a client that already does it, or a script i can download for irc using linux
[17:44] <IELTS> what's up no one there???????????//
[17:44] <IELTS> any one know where can i find channel to learn english
[17:44] <wispurs> lol
[17:45] <gauda> youtube channel? ;) http://www.youtube.com/user/hotforwords
[17:46] <wispurs> haha
[17:47] <IELTS> what i will learn from that link??
[17:47] <IELTS> any way it is bock in our country any way
[17:47] <wispurs> proxy?
[17:48] <IELTS> yeb there is proxy so we cannot access to bad or porn website
[17:49] <gauda> its just youtube?
[17:49] <gauda> anyway, i would say it depends on your level where you want to start
[17:50] <IELTS> i know it is youtube but what is that tube contan that is the idea???
[17:51] <IELTS> ok thanks for your help
[17:51] <IELTS> at least you are try to help me
[17:51] <gauda> http://wordsmith.org/words/today.html
[17:53] <IELTS> i try it latter becuase i have to leave right now
[17:54] <IELTS> thanks again  for your time
[17:54] <gauda> do so.. bye
[17:54] <IELTS> see you later
[17:54] <IELTS> bye
[17:54] <xenthral> hah I could have helped that guy
[17:54] <xenthral> I just took the IELTS last month
[17:54] <xenthral> too late by a second
[17:55] <gauda> pfff. i am so happy to decide for my own what is a bad website
[17:55] <gauda> i love hotforwords :)
[17:59] <Wazza> Ya t-il des francais ?
[18:00] <Wazza> ok ...
[18:01] <slow-motion> hi
[18:01] <nakov> salut
[18:02] <nakov> J'aimerais avoir le  son sur ma tv philips, je suis en double ecran avec mon laptop quelqun peu m'expliquer comment fair ?
[18:03] <rork> !fr | nakov
[18:26] <oleg__> офигеть народу!
[19:45] <goodnightvienna> evenin
[19:50] <goodnightvienna> anyone know a good easy to use video editor for ubuntu?
[19:51] <noaXess> hi all
[19:52] <noaXess> if i open or drag&drop a file/folder in dolphin, dolphin stops responding fr about 30-60 sec.. kde 4.5.1 on latest lucid 10.04.1
[19:54] <goodnightvienna> anyone know a good easy to use video editor for ubuntu?
[20:05] <bigbrovar> Hi guys. I am a bit out of the loop on things. Isnt kmail2 suppose to have been released with kde 4.5.1 or did I miss anything?
[20:36] <wornof> I have a 1680x1050 monitor and a 1024x768 one. Upon booting, both are set to 1024x768, but can be corrected via KDE System Settings. How can I make them be detected properly on boot? Would the correct xrandr command in the right boot file be sufficient?
[20:39] <gauda1> wornof: what you want to do is described here http://seeseekey.net/blog/archives/959-Mittels-nouveau-und-RandR-zu-einem-Zweibildschirmsystem.html
[20:40] <gauda1> but sorry, its in german. perhaps you'll understand with the help of google translate
[20:40] <wornof> gauda1: We shall see. Thank you :)
[20:41] <gauda1> essentially: create a file  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45custom_xrandr-settings and fill in sth of xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --mode 1920x1080 ... and so on
[20:41] <gauda1> worked good for me. had the same problem!
[20:56] <wornof> gauda1: I see, thank you. One thing...do I need to use '#!/bin/sh' at the beginning of the file, or *just* the xrandr line?
[20:57] <gauda1> no just make it executable
[20:57] <sathya__> hi
[20:57] <sathya__> h
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[20:57] <FloodBotK2> sathya__: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:57] <wornof> Then that's done...hopefully it will work. Thanks again gauda1
[20:58] <gauda1> well, actually i am not that sure with shebang. just give it a try!
[21:05] <olskolirc> hey guys where can I get a youtube desktop widget
[22:42] <mikehh> I am having some problems with Kate in 10.10 beta - is this the proper channel to discuss this
[22:42] <mikehh> or should I go to #ubunti+1
[23:03] <sirecat> Hi everyone. I thought I downloaded Kubuntu. At least that was what the link said. I have since installed kde full. However when I login to KDE I don't see how to get to the wifi settings to get connected to my wireless network? I am using wpa2
[23:28] <sirecat> Why don't I have a way in system settings to configure my wireless interface? I have searched all network options it doesn't even show. Google hasn't been much help either
[23:29] <matbi> In what sense
[23:34] <siganderson> everytime that kde4 starts kontact runs automatically, how do I stop this behaviour?
[23:37] <bomber> hello
[23:38] <bomber> im trying to burn a new kubuntu cd and for some reason im getting the msg to insert blank cd
[23:39] <bomber> i have a blank in there and its being recognized by kde..... the usb viewer shows the blank and gives options on waht to do with the blank cd
[23:47] <bomber> i say again lads.. is there anyone awake in this bloody channel?
[23:48] <bomber> cheerio old boys