[01:43] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:34] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:53] <marcoagpinto> morning
[08:14] <wez> evening
[08:14] <wez> Right, lets move this one.
[09:11] <ducasse> hi all \o
[15:46] <leftyfb> ogra: not sure about you, but when(not if) they come back looking for help, I'm going with it's fixed "good enough" and won't be helping them
[15:49] <ogra> yeah


[00:07] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[00:24] <five__> why am i banned from offtopic?
[00:24] <bazhang> @login
[00:25] <bazhang> !give bazhang a test
[00:25]  * five__ gives bazhang Elton John
[00:26] <bazhang> five__, that is why
[00:26] <five__> im confused
[00:26] <five__> how about this, how do i get unbanned?
[00:27] <bazhang> you were asked to disable that give script and have failed to do so five__
[00:27] <five__> oh, i thought i disabled all of them
 ACTION gives bazhang Elton John
[00:28] <five__> can you help me out with what script it is?
[00:28] <five__> weird i dont remember that script
[00:28] <bazhang> five__, disable them all
[00:28] <five__> let me check it out ill brb
[00:29] <five__> ill be back
[00:47] <bazhang> !give bazhang a test
[00:47]  * five__ gives bazhang a football stadium
[00:47] <bazhang> five__, not turned off
[00:48] <five__> yeah sorry im leaving, having mouse issues
[00:48] <five__> it auto joins this channel
[03:00] <Flannel> eh.  I look away for two minutes and the trouble starts
[03:58] <Flannel> Anyone around with -ot?
[04:48] <Pici> @login
[04:48] <anfangs> Hi. My address is banned in #ubuntu. Why might that be?
[04:49] <Pici> anfangs: One moment.
[04:50] <Pici> anfangs: Looks like theres an old ban for 'slim', probably doesn't need to be there anymore. I'll remove it.
[04:50] <Pici> anfangs: You may join #ubuntu now.
[04:51] <anfangs> thanks.
[05:17] <five> i have set -n on xchat
[05:17] <five> no plugins are loaded
[05:18] <five> may i be unbanned from offtopic please, and thank you :)
[05:27] <Flannel> !give ubottu a test
[05:28] <Flannel> five: You realise why you were banned, not just "becuase I used a script", etc, etc, but why we don't allow scripts?  And have you read over the IRC guidelines?
[05:28] <five> i was using the script on another chan
[05:29] <Flannel> Why you had it enabled isn't really important.  Do you understand why we don't allow them?
[05:29] <five> i understand that yes
[05:29] <Flannel> and have you read the IRC guidelines?
[05:29] <five> no
[05:30] <Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:30] <five> ok
[05:32] <five> ok i have read it
[05:32] <five> i am sorry for the bots
[05:32] <Flannel> five: alright, I've unbanned you from #ubuntu, you'll have to wait around here for someone to wake up that can handle -offtopic
[05:34] <five> Flannel thank you, i understand the need for your rules with the large user base and would hate to be banned from here as ubuntu is my favorite OS XD
[07:18] <bazhang> please check |_ocke in -ot
 i just got a new gf in the last like 4 days
[07:20] <bazhang> ad nauseam
[07:24] <bazhang> :/
[07:42] <bazhang> * [dirty-cow-lovin] (n=mkultra@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com): Unknown
[07:44] <bazhang> changed to cattle-rancher (satan666 was taken)
[08:08] <NEWK> hi
[08:08] <NEWK> I need to get to #kubuntu
[08:08] <NEWK> but 'm using a web client called mibbit
[08:09] <NEWK> and it just redirects me to the "ubuntu prroxy users" channel
[08:09] <NEWK> and thn it invites me to #ubuntu after it sees that I'm using mibbit
[08:09] <NEWK> but I need to be in #kubuntu
[09:14] <five> hello can anyone here unban me from offtopic
[09:18] <ikonia> hav eyou removed the scripts
[09:18] <ikonia> five: have you removed the scripts you where asked to
[09:19] <five> ikonia i added -n to xchat, no scripts load auto now and i will not come here with scripts loaded
[09:20] <five> also i read the rules on the site :)
[09:20] <ikonia> your also ban dodging in ubuntu
[09:20] <ikonia> you've changed your ip to get around aban
[09:20] <five> no
[09:20] <five> i was lifted there
[09:20] <five> no i havent
[09:21] <ikonia> so you have
[09:21] <ikonia> my apologies
[09:21] <five> flannel unbanned me after i added the exception to xchat start
[09:21] <ikonia> yes, I see that
[09:21] <five> no prob, my apologies for the scripts
[09:21] <ikonia> out of curiosity, why did it take you 3 attempts to disable the scripts ?
[09:21] <ikonia> I asked you / remomved you on two other occasions
[09:21] <ikonia> removed
[09:22] <five> oh lol, well i had quite a few and i thought i disabled all of the auto scripts, finally i just set xchat to start with no scripts
[09:22] <five> i was bored the other night and i downloaded a bunch of scripts, bad idea i guess
[09:22] <ikonia> ok, as soon as elkbuntu becomes available I'll ask her to remove the ban in offtopic for you
[09:22] <five> if theres a command to unload all scripts at once i dont know it
[09:22] <five> ok thnx
[09:25] <ikonia> if there's  nothing else you need your welcome to leave the channel
[09:25] <ikonia> I'm sure elkbuntu or one of the offtopic guys will be around int he next 10 - 15 minutes and will remove the ban
[09:26] <ikonia> !idle | five
[09:27] <five> ok sure
[09:27] <ikonia> thanks
[09:27] <five> bye
[09:38] <ikonia> can someone please look in on -ot, I feel it's going to be bad shortly with great opening lines like "homeless women do anything for money"
[09:38] <Flannel> ikonia: I don't think anyone -ot is awake
[09:39] <Flannel> However, it does appear to have diverted
[10:02] <Flannel> ubottu: tell KuR3 about nickspam
[10:49] <jussi01> !lvm
[10:55] <ikonia> jussi01: can you please remove five's ban in -ot
[10:55] <jussi01> ikonia: I still have no access there, I guess I should really talk to someone about that
[10:55] <ikonia> ughh
[10:55] <bazhang> heh
[10:56] <ikonia> does anyone have access ?
[10:56] <jussi01> 1 sec
[10:56] <bazhang> it was a real cesspool a few hours ago
[10:56] <ikonia> I know
[10:56] <bazhang> |_ocke and zaapiel especially
[10:56] <ikonia> zaapiel is an issue, I want to talk to him as his comments are just radomly uncalled for
[10:57] <jussi01> @login
[10:57] <bazhang> |_ocke had this issue before as well; talking about really explicit stuff
[10:57] <jussi01> @bansearch five
[10:57] <jussi01> ikonia: why should five be unbanned?
[10:57] <ikonia> jussi01 he's fived his script issue, and was pretty "nice" and honest about it
[10:58] <ikonia> I asked elk to put the ban on, he came in earlier and showed they where removed
[10:59] <jussi01> ikonia: right. elkbuntu should be awake so hopefully she is around to help
[10:59] <ikonia> not had a response from her, and it seems a tad harsh to leave the ban on after he met the requirments
[10:59] <ikonia> and after it was me who asked her to put the ban on
[11:00] <jussi01> yeah, if I could Id do something, but until things get sorted, I cant.
[11:00] <ikonia> yup
[11:00] <Flannel> I already removed the one from #u three hours ago.  He seems like he was just plain confused about all the scripts.
[11:00] <ikonia> Flannel: I noted, he was "fine" in here, expalined he was bored and downloaded scripts and didn't know how to use them so he deleted them
[11:00] <ikonia> pretty honest
[11:01] <ikonia> no " well XXX so you can't YYY" just "sorry"
[11:01] <Flannel> Aye
[11:06] <jussi01> ooh, Gary seems active. Gary around?
[11:08] <ikonia> bazhang: fyi basileus change his ip to a non-isp style one
[11:08] <Gary> jussi01: kinda
[11:08] <jussi01> Gary: can you sort out that ban ikonia mentioned before
[11:08] <jussi01> please ? :)
[11:09] <ikonia> bazhang (the guy from yesterday's auto ip switching lies)
[11:09] <ikonia> Gary: please
[11:09] <bazhang> ikonia, the ban evader from yesterday who did not understand any warnings before he was banned?
[11:09] <ikonia> bazhang: yeah thats him
[11:09] <Gary> what nick?
[11:09] <ikonia> bazhang: his ip magically has changed again to a different IP range no with the same isp
[11:09] <bazhang> five
[11:09] <ikonia> Gary: five in -ot
[11:09] <ikonia> Gary: pleae remove the ban
[11:09] <bazhang> ikonia, so your hunch was right
[11:10] <ikonia> bazhang: it would appear so
[11:12] <Gary> and elky is okay with this?
[11:12] <Gary> (wondering why she cannot unban herself?)
[11:13] <Gary> reading above btw
[11:13] <Gary> done
[11:13] <ikonia> ta
[11:15] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:16] <bazhang> was he unbanned? ^^
[11:17] <jussi01> is that sken?
[11:17] <bazhang> sure looks like it
[11:17] <ikonia> bazhang what makes you think it's sken ?
[11:18] <ikonia> sken normally has chatzilla ident
[11:18] <bazhang> ikonia, the ip address?
[11:18] <ikonia> thats dynamic isn't it ?
 how do i get fonts that can kick OSX's butt in ubuntu?
[11:18] <ikonia> what nick is it
[11:19] <bazhang> plus the general tone of his posts in #ubuntu and -ot
[11:19] <ikonia> it is sken
[11:19] <ikonia> its the same question about fonts as he's been asking
[11:21] <ikonia> look at he real name too "mofo"
[11:22] <ikonia> he's claiming it's not sken
[11:23] <ikonia> not really sure how to deal with it to be honest
[11:23] <bazhang> think it was mez that said: 'give him enough rope'
[11:24] <ikonia> he's had that
[11:24] <ikonia> hence the 25 bans
[11:24] <ikonia> thats enough rope
[11:24] <bazhang> then kb
[11:24] <bazhang> I'll remove him after a chat
[11:24] <ikonia> and I refuse to allow this guy to dodge bans and get support with his attitude
[11:24] <ikonia> I'm chatting to him now
[11:24] <ikonia> and he claims not to be scan
[11:24] <ikonia> his ident IS different,
[11:24] <ikonia> thats teh only thing thats stopping me
[11:25] <bazhang> its him no doubt though
[11:25] <bazhang> the general tenor of his demands, asking about fonts, etc
[11:25] <ikonia> well, in my opinion yes, I agree
[11:25] <ikonia> but is that enough to remove him
[11:25] <ikonia> the ident is changed, and thats bugging me
[11:25] <ikonia> all the time he never learned how to change it, now he can
[11:26] <ikonia> @btlogin
[11:26] <bazhang> well if you recall when I unmuted fryguy I somehow removed the ban on athedsl etc otenet.gr
[11:27] <ikonia> yes, thats true, but that was a pretty speicifc ban
[11:27] <bazhang> good point
[11:27] <ikonia> there are lots of regular users using otenet.gr
[11:29] <ikonia> I'm tempted, and this is only thinking out loud as I don't believe it is acceptable, to bring him in here and ask him to change his real name from "mo fo"  (mother fucker) to see how he reacts
[11:29] <ikonia> I like you am %99 certain it's sken, and as I said I refuse to allow this guy to get support after the hassle he causes, but it's not fair to remove someone who I'm not %100 certain on
[11:31] <bazhang> yep I understand that
[11:32] <ikonia> it's him he's using xcaht
[11:32] <ikonia> just versioned him
[11:32] <ikonia> and he's using kde
[11:32] <ikonia> 11:31 CTCP VERSION reply from mafaldaboy: xchat 2.8.6 Linux <IP_ADDRESS>-9-default [x86_64/1.60GHz/SMP]
[11:32] <ikonia> his cersion matches the last time I versioned sken
[11:33] <bazhang> then he is ban evading for the 26th time
[11:33] <Gary> 26 times, wow
[11:33] <ikonia> is that enough to go on ?
[11:33] <ikonia> the version on his client, the ISP, his question, His tone, ?
[11:34] <Gary> how much more do you need?
[11:34] <ikonia> well I don't know, I'm using you guys as a sounding board
[11:34] <bazhang> he was in earlier as championsleague also
[11:34] <ikonia> be bad to remove someone thats not him
[11:36] <ikonia> ok, I'm not %100 I can't do it
[11:36] <ikonia> as championsleague he was still using chatzilla ident
[11:37] <bazhang> then hold off
[11:38] <ikonia> got to
[11:39] <ikonia> well, he seems to be intereacting better than normal
[11:40] <bazhang> cattle-rancher was removed before, for coming into the channel with the nick 'Cow-Sex'
[11:40] <ikonia> I saw
[11:42] <Gary> 5
[11:42] <ikonia> ?
[11:43] <Gary> sorry, missed the /
[11:46] <ikonia> bazhang: it's not sken
[11:46] <ikonia> bazhang: %100 now
[11:46] <bazhang> ikonia, okay
[11:46] <bazhang> ikonia, good thing you held off :)
[11:46] <ikonia> nmaped him, he has different services running
[11:47] <ikonia> when I actually exapliend the situations on why he was getting the questions he was nice as pie and totally understood and conversed in sensible english, which is not sken
[11:48] <bazhang> heh. sken really put me on edge
[11:48] <bazhang> so the wariness is warranted imo
[11:48] <ikonia> well after the hassle he caused, I refuse to allow him back in or to get support until he can actually just grow up a bit and stop trolling
[11:48] <ikonia> hence why I'm cautious of anything "sken like"
[11:49] <bazhang> 'sken-ish'
[12:02] <ikonia> is it possible to set highlights on join comments
[12:03] <ikonia> I think I've figured out a way to track him :)
[12:04] <bazhang> sken-tracker :)
[12:05] <ikonia> well looking at soe docs on the net for the .gr isp's and it looks like his has a handy way of breaking down paterns
[12:05] <ikonia> eg: athedel = athens region
[12:05] <ikonia> then the numbers are area codes
[12:06] <ikonia> so a trace route on his ips to his gateawy would give us what region codes that gateway supports :)
[12:06] <ikonia> so it would be a very narrow ban :)
[12:06] <ikonia> or at least easy to verify if it was him
[12:06] <bazhang> he'll rue the day :)
[12:06] <ikonia> nah, just fed up with him
[12:07] <ikonia> the interenet is an amazing resource for knowledge: )
[12:50] <jussi01> !staff
[12:50] <jussi01> [14:50:28] <hatman> http://www.fianceexposed.com/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=28ae03cf243604eee3ff9f8b741f499d
[12:50] <jussi01> [14:50:28] <hatman> http://www.fianceexposed.com/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=28ae03cf243604eee3ff9f8b741f499d
[12:50] <jussi01> in #ubuntu - I banned him though.
[12:51] <tomaw> ta
[12:51] <jussi01> np.
[12:52] <jussi01> tomaw: I assume he is now gone and I can remove that ban?
[12:53] <tomaw> he's not gone but seems to have stopped spamming when I asked him to
[12:53] <jussi01> ok. Ill remove the ban and hope he doesnt do it again.
[13:00] <Pici> I'm going to go through some of ompaul's old bans today. Probably end up removing some of the old ones.
[13:00] <Pici> Someone came through yesterday because there was a realname ban on 'slim'. From august.
[13:55] <ikonia> Pici: I'd removed mosto f them
[13:55] <ikonia> Pici: the ones that should be left where ones Ompaul asked me/others to leave
[13:59]  * jussi01 eyes ikonia
[14:09] <Mez> bazhang: who are we on about giving some rope?
[14:24] <jussi01> !bot
[14:24] <stdin> !search tinyurl
[14:26] <stdin> !no bots is <alais> ubotu
[14:26] <stdin> !no bot is <alais> ubotu
[14:26] <stdin> !bot
[14:26] <stdin> dumb bot
[14:27] <jussi01> hehe
[14:27] <stdin> !no bot is <alias> ubotu
[14:27] <jussi01> dumb you
[14:27] <stdin> !no bots is <alias> ubotu
[14:27] <stdin> I know, but I wrote the thing, so it's dumb by proxy :)
[14:27] <stdin> !bot
[14:27] <jussi01> heheheheheheh
[14:28] <stdin> factoids !installing and !install need merging
[14:36] <Pici> stdin: merged
[14:36] <Pici> !-installing
[14:36] <stdin> thanks Pici
[14:40] <jussi01> !-bot
[14:40] <jussi01> !-ubotu
[14:42] <bazhang> Mez, just quoting you in a time of doubt; hope you dont mind :)
[14:42] <Mez> bazhang: Give them some rope, but if you give them enough, they'll hang themselves
[14:43] <bazhang> Mez, yep
[15:47] <ikonia> Pici: you owe me half a can of diet coke
[15:47] <ikonia> and some pride
[15:47] <LjL> hm, magnitudo 5.3 isn't a lot is it
[15:47] <Pici> ikonia: hmm?   I was too young at the time.
[15:52] <ikonia> strange in a good way ;)
[15:52] <LjL> i'd hope there's no damage in general
[15:53] <ikonia> the fashion world could collapse
[15:53] <Pici> LjL: Whats the nearest large city near you that I would find on a map?
[15:53] <LjL> Pici: err, milan. which isn't near me, it's where i am.
[15:53] <LjL> Pici: the quake was near Parma, though
[15:54] <LjL> Pici: if that's gearth you're using, google "google earth earthquakes" and the first hit is the USGS, which has a kml with the quake
[15:55] <Pici> LjL: I was using this: http://kharita.rm.ingv.it/Gmaps/rec-big/en/index.htm
[15:55] <LjL> Pici: ah it loads now? it was entirely broken five minutes ago
[15:56] <Pici> Some of the pages load.
[15:56] <LjL> Pici: i'm not sure i see the relevant quake tbh
[15:56] <Pici> LjL: Me either.
[15:57] <LjL> Pici: i'll tell you a secret, italian state-run sites suck.
[15:57] <LjL> Pici: when we want to know something about our country, we use US data.
[15:57] <Pici> LjL: I got to that link from the USGS site
[16:01] <LjL> Pici: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/catalogs/eqs7day-age.kmz you can load this also in google maps if you don't have google earth, just paste it in the search box
[16:05] <Pici> LjL: Oh neat. I didn't know that google maps supported kmz files.
[16:08] <LjL> Pici: i don't remember if you have a symbian phone, but otherwise for others... mobile gmaps supports them too, it's not a very well known feature, but again you just type the url into the search box
[16:12] <Pici> LjL: Didn't work on the iPod touch google maps.
[16:12] <LjL> Pici: you actually typed that url on the ipod "keyboard"?
[16:12] <LjL> Pici: i feel sorry for you
[16:12] <bazhang> heh
[16:13] <bazhang> feel and sorry seldom come from your keyboard LjL
[16:13] <LjL> bazhang: you have a point about that
[16:13] <LjL> Pici: scrap what i said
[16:13] <LjL> Pici: i pity you, fool
[16:13] <bazhang> haha
[16:42] <bazhang> * [KST_] (n=KST_KST_@<IP_ADDRESS>): CM bot  <---something to be concerned about ?
[16:43] <bazhang> * [Arin] (n=KST_Arin@<IP_ADDRESS>): CM bot
[16:43] <ikonia> nice bazhang
[16:44] <ikonia> bazhang: got a test for it, hang on
[16:44] <bazhang> ikonia, k
[16:45] <ikonia> failed
[16:48] <LjL> want some smashed food? http://tv.repubblica.it/copertina/terremoto-le-prime-immagini/27625?video
[16:49] <ikonia> why not
[16:49] <bazhang> haha
[16:49] <bazhang> nice link LjL
[16:53] <LjL> i think i *would* be slightly scared if i had been in that supermarket
[16:53] <bazhang> check out -ot
[17:09] <bazhang> netyire has a twin
[17:26] <bazhang> * [shaullxBot] (i=aaa@<IP_ADDRESS>): I'm a C# irc bot
[17:27] <LjL> bazhang: shaul is probably the owner
[17:27] <bazhang> LjL, that struck me as likely
[17:27] <bazhang> it quit already though
[18:42] <Gary> is brainac0cult trying to bait?
[18:42] <Pici> Gary: I'm not sure.  I'm ignoring it until he actually does something worthy of response.
[18:44] <hischild> the !replicate factoid seems to be wrong. it isn't working as aptitude doesn't recognize commands.
[18:44] <hischild> !clone
[18:44] <hischild> that factoid, not the !replicate one.
[18:45] <Pici> hischild: On what version of Ubuntu?
[18:45] <hischild> Intrepid atm
[18:46] <hischild> the manpage doesn't even speak of any disable options.
[18:46] <Pici> hm
[18:47] <Flannel> What happened/what was wrong with the apt-get one?
[18:47] <Flannel> hmmm, the dpkg one?
[18:47] <stdin> dpkg --get-selections
[18:47] <Flannel> yeah, the dpkg one.
[18:48] <Pici> Because there was an issue with those packages not getting marked properly and apt-get/aptitude thinking that they could be autoremoved iird.
[18:48] <Pici> s/iird/iirc/
[18:48] <hischild> I have no idea, i just noticed that this one isn't working. Need to create a dualboot again and would like to keep my current package selection.
[18:49] <Flannel> Maybe aptitude, apt-get shouldn't do that, since it, as I understand it, calculates autoremove stuff based on the current state
[18:49] <Flannel> (not based on what it has/hasn't installed)
[18:50] <Flannel> I believe that's always been an issue if you use aptitude with other frontends.  It's 'benefits' are only benefits if you strictly use aptitude.
[18:51] <Flannel> mind you, I haven't touched aptitude in forever, so that may be incorrect
[18:51] <hischild> Flannel, from what i've heard, that's true. I've been using aptitude so far, all has went well.
[18:52] <Pici> Looks like that option is only valid in aptitude >= <IP_ADDRESS> And we don't meet that in Intrepid.
[18:52] <Flannel> Pici: Or any other supported version? ;)
[18:52] <Pici> Flannel: Does Jaunty count?
[18:52] <hischild> Pici, how come that it is in there? I don't assume it's been downgraded some time.
[18:52] <Flannel> Pici: the S word means no
[18:53] <Pici> !-clone
[18:53] <Flannel> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[18:53] <Flannel> that's the old one
[18:53] <Pici> LjL: Around?
[18:55] <Flannel> hischild: I suggest you don't use aptitude, personally.  If you ever want to use synaptic (or maybe even tasksel?) aptitude will throw a fit.  It's like a jealous lover, who doesn't understand you can have other friends.
[18:55]  * Flannel will stick with car analogies in the future.
[18:56] <hischild> Flannel, hmm aight. Yes, the car analogies would be better, but you couldn't have known.
[18:56] <hischild> anyway, the dpkg --get-selections will do?
[18:56] <Flannel> It should.  Yeah.  Let us know if apt-get autoremove (try with -s) tries to remove everything afterwards
[18:57] <Flannel> Then we'll know if we need to figure out if that command is problematic
[18:57] <stdin> I guess you could replace "aptitude --disable-columns --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic'" with "dpkg --get-selections | grep -v 'deinstall$' | awk '{print $1}'" to get the same format aptitude expects in the second command
[18:58] <hischild> Wait, just a second.
[18:58] <hischild> Could you repeat that?
[18:59] <stdin> dpkg --get-selections | grep -v 'deinstall$' | awk '{print $1}'
[19:00] <stdin> that's if --disable-columns is actually needed at all
[19:00]  * Flannel would just as soon not endorse aptitude.  Although I guess if they use aptitude for that, apt-get won't complain either.
[19:00] <Pici> I personally only use aptitude for searching, I'm too lazy to remember the apt-get arguments.
[19:00] <LjL> Pici: yes
[19:00] <Flannel> apt-cache search?
[19:00] <Pici> LjL: We're discussing the !cloning factoid.
[19:01] <Pici> LjL: re: aptitude vs. dpkg --set/get-selections
[19:02] <LjL> Flannel, apt-get can't do anything more than aptitude does for calculating what's "auto" removed
[19:02] <Pici> LjL: I just thought that you may remember the rational since you were the last one to edit the factoid,.
[19:02] <hischild> wait now i'm totally at a loss here. Situation is that i would like to keep my set of packages, and the !cloning factoid doesn't work. So, what should be replaced with what? And yes, i'm willing to try more then just one method.
[19:02] <LjL> if there's no information as to whether something was installed by the user or automatically, it can't get it out of some hat any more than aptitude can
[19:02] <Flannel> LjL: apt-get calculates it, aptitude stores state based on what aptitude has done (at least partially), and from my experience, gets overzealous if you install stuff outside of aptitude
[19:03] <LjL> wait a moment, aptitude doesn't have a --disable-column option to begin with
[19:03] <hischild> Flannel, automatic removing of packages becomes troublesome if installed outside of aptitude.
[19:03] <Flannel> apt-get may remove with just as much zeal, I don't have any personal experience with it
[19:03] <LjL> where did i make that up from
[19:03] <LjL> oh. it does on Debian testing.
[19:04] <LjL> that must be where i got it from.
[19:04]  * Flannel reminds LjL that #ubuntu is not #debian
[19:04]  * Flannel hides.
[19:04] <LjL> meh, ubuntu's aptitude fails to parse the whole thing too
[19:04] <hischild> LjL, it should have it on the next minor version.
[19:05] <Flannel> hischild: Go ahead and try the old method (dpkg) and then do sudo apt-get -s autoremove (-s is for simulate), and see if it tries to remove anything it ought not to
[19:05] <LjL> Flannel: it won't do that... rather, it will not remove anything at all
[19:05] <Flannel> hischild: Jaunty will have it then, but none of the other supported versions will.
[19:05] <hischild> Flannel, i'm going to try it now. Could you please give me the old method again?
[19:05] <Flannel> LjL: As its supposed to
[19:05] <LjL> Flannel: but also as people wouldn't want
[19:05] <Flannel> LjL: The issue (from what was said up there) is that after using dpkg --set-selections, autoremove/aptitude's remove thing, gets overzealous
[19:06] <Flannel> Why not?
[19:06] <LjL> Flannel: i don't think that's currently an issue
[19:06] <Flannel> LjL: Then why was the factoid changed in the first place?
[19:06] <LjL> Flannel: *maybe* older aptitudes removed stuff like that, but i definitely couldn't reproduce it here
[19:06] <LjL> Flannel: because if i'm cloning my packages, i also do want to carry over the information on what was installed manually, and what was not
[19:07] <LjL> Flannel: using the dpkg method, apt-get's *and* aptitude's autoremove feature will just fail to work for all the packages that got selected, forever
[19:07] <Flannel> Where does apt-get store its state for that stuff then?
[19:07] <hischild> LjL, but if i'm cloning, wouldn't it only have to get the installed packages as the rest gets installed automatically?
[19:08] <LjL> Flannel: i don't know, but not in "status".
[19:08]  * Flannel really ought to upgrade to Hardy and get some first hand experience.
[19:08] <LjL> hischild: not following you. what "rest"?
[19:08] <Flannel> I know aptitude stores extra crap, which causes it to not play nice.  but I wasn't aware apt-get did.  I thougt it used the same method as debfoster/deborphan
[19:08] <hischild> LjL, any packages the ones installed depend on.
[19:08] <LjL> Flannel: not really
[19:09] <LjL> hischild: err, if there are packages that the ones installed depend on... then by definition, those will *also* *already* be installed, no?
[19:09] <stdin> copy over /var/lib/apt/extended_states and /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates ?
[19:09] <LjL> you can't have a package installed without having its dependencies installed too
[19:09] <Flannel> hischild: The issue isn't actual depndencies getting installed.  It's removing dependencies when theyre no longer needed
[19:09] <LjL> (unless you override stuff in very ugly ways)
[19:10] <hischild> LjL, If i'm cloning i only need the packages i installed manually, as when i update it should get the dependencies. Am i right in thinking this way?
[19:10] <LjL> hischild: yes, that's correct (but different from what you said earlier)
[19:10] <stdin> what one really needs, is a tool that copies all the dpkg/apt/aptitude state/config
[19:10] <LjL> hischild: problem is - how do you make it only output the ones you installed manually?
[19:10] <LjL> the only answer i know of is, using aptitude
[19:10] <LjL> which is what i put in the factoid
[19:10] <hischild> LjL, i guess that is true.
[19:10] <LjL> but then it doesn't work with anything but testing's version of aptitude
[19:11] <hischild> Flannel, could you please give the "old" method of cloning again?
[19:11] <LjL> at least the syntax i used doesn't
[19:11] <LjL> hischild, it's just dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections
[19:11] <Flannel> hischild: To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[19:11] <hischild> Are there any other methods that need testing on it? If so, now's the time to tell.
[19:11] <LjL> i don't know where to find aptitude's manual for version 0.4.9 (the one in hardy), so i don't know how to fix the syntax
[19:12] <stdin> isn't there manpages.u.c ?
[19:12] <LjL> stdin: i don't mean the manpage, i mean the actual aptitude manual
[19:12] <LjL> stdin: the manpage is short, doesn't have the search patterns
[19:13] <LjL> this manual aptitude --disable-columns --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic'
[19:13] <LjL> meh
[19:13] <LjL> this manual http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/
[19:13] <LjL> specifically, this part http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html
[19:14] <LjL> uhm, actually i don't need the manual...
[19:14] <LjL> ~i!~M works (which is the short version of ?installed!?manual)
[19:14] <ubot3> LjL: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:14] <LjL> i guess the long versions were introduced only later...
[19:14] <stdin> would it be in the aptitude-doc-* packages?
[19:14] <LjL> but then someone - myrtti possibly - complained that ~i!~M was undecipherable, which is why i used the long version to begin with
[19:15] <LjL> most likely
[19:32] <hischild> So you want confirmation that the command does it's job, or shall i leave?
[19:50] <Pici> Meh. Busy #ubuntu today.
[19:51] <hischild> Pici, really? Didn't seem that busy the times i looked.
[19:52] <Pici> hischild: I think its only busy when I'm looking at it.
[19:52] <hischild> Pici, don't look at it then, i'll just keep looking ... should be quiet all evening then
[20:06] <Pici> ooh. ubottu.com
[20:16] <jussi01> Pici: :D
[20:17] <jussi01> Pici: I bought it about a month back, but only just got around to directing it to the server and getting stdin to sort it :)
[20:18] <Pici> jussi01: Neat :)
[23:10] <bluesmoke> does cattle-rancher seem like a troll or is it just me?
[23:11] <ikonia> bluesmoke: he was in the other day as cattle-sex or something like that and was a pain
[23:11] <ikonia> bazhang sorted him


[01:00] <androidbruce> valorie, im def not using unity. the ubuntu classic is all for me
[01:04] <valorie> I'm a kde person
[01:04] <valorie> so I'm not touching the gnomie stuff at all
[01:04] <valorie> how are you feeling about gnome 3?
[02:28] <androidbruce> i like it, i need to install it again
[02:37] <valorie> http://rww.name/articles/grub2iso.html - might come in useful
[02:37] <valorie> I haven't tried it yet


[23:44] <RabidDog_> Intelikey:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52944/
[23:45] <Jucato> (or sun-java5-bin...)
[23:45] <intelikey> Jucato he installed sun-java6-jre and it isn't working in konq for him.
[23:45] <intelikey> best i can gather.
[23:45] <Jucato> jared: did you enable Java for that particular website?
[23:45] <yasahiro> well now it disappeared from the list before i could kill it...
[23:45] <jared> how do I do that?
[23:45] <fulat2k> hi folks, i booted up k7.10 live cd on a inspiron 630.  however, it didn't detect the sound card.  is there anyway around this?
[23:45] <intelikey> RabidDog_ looking.
[23:45] <Jucato> jared: Tools -> HTML Settings -> Java
[23:46] <jared> k, will check
[23:46] <Jucato> or in Settings -> Configure KOnqueror -> Java and Javascript
[23:46] <Jucato> either enable java per site, or enable it globally
[23:46] <tinin> fulat2k to look first in google is the best thing
[23:46] <intelikey> RabidDog_ ok.  if that is the entire sources.list file then you need to make a new one.
[23:46] <Jucato> jared: if you're going to try to use Java with Firefox, you'll need sun-java6-plugin too
[23:46] <intelikey> !repos | RabidDog_
[23:46] <ubotu> RabidDog_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[23:46] <fulat2k> tinin: already did.  not much help
[23:46] <tinin> inspiron 630 ubuntu
[23:46] <Jucato> !easysource | intelikey
[23:46] <jared> java is already enabled globally
[23:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easysource - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:47] <Jucato> bah...
[23:47] <Jucato> !source-o-matic | intelikey
[23:47] <tinin> inspiron 630 linux sound
[23:47] <ubotu> intelikey: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[23:47] <yasahiro> it disappeared before i could kill the process kwebdesktop :(
[23:47] <Jucato> :D
[23:47] <Jucato> yasahiro: and still you can't change the background?
[23:47] <intelikey> RabidDog_ if that's the url of a single repo you want to add.  then you need the correct syntax    deb url reponame
[23:47] <yasahiro> right
[23:47] <yasahiro> :(
[23:47] <jared> java is already enabled globally...
[23:47] <yasahiro> it still has the kdestop environment page as my background..
[23:48] <intelikey> Jucato is there not a link there on the repos page ?
[23:48] <tinin> jared you should press Control+Alt+Backspace
[23:48] <Jucato> yasahiro: maybe when you logout and log back in it will be fixed?
[23:48] <Jucato> jared: don't!
[23:48] <yasahiro> i tried that
[23:48] <yasahiro> even completely rebooting
[23:48] <Jucato> tinin: why should he restart X?
[23:48] <tinin> XD
[23:49] <tinin> Because he shhould read
[23:49] <tinin> just a joke
[23:49] <Jucato> tinin: do NOT do that again
[23:49] <jared> tinin, what will that do?
[23:49] <fulat2k> tinin: hm... nothing as well
[23:49] <jared> doesnt that restart my comp?
[23:49] <tinin> no
[23:49] <tinin> just your desktop
[23:49] <jared> aha...
[23:50] <Jucato> jared: no. don't follow that.  Nothing to configure.
[23:56] <Jucato> hm... are you sure you installed sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-bin?
[23:56] <jared> yeah...
[23:56] <RabidDog_> Intellikey: Is this right?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52946/
[23:56] <jared> wanna giv me sum code to check?
[23:58] <Jucato> jared: "dpkg -l | grep java"
[23:58] <Jucato> (dpkg -l to list all installed packages, grep java to filter out only those that have java in their name)
[23:58] <jared> There is only 1 program which provides java
[23:58] <jared> (/usr/bin/gij-4.2). Nothing to configure.
[23:59] <Jucato> [07:58] <Jucato> jared: "dpkg -l | grep java"
[23:59] <jared> jared@jared-desktop:~$ dpkg -l | grep java
[23:59]  * genii makes sure Jucato gets a mug of coffee
[23:59] <jared> ii  libjaxp1.3-java                            1.3.03-5                           Java XML parser and transformer APIs (DOM, S
[23:59] <jared> ii  libjline-java                              0.9.5-3ubuntu2                     Java library for handling console input
[23:59] <jared> ii  libxalan2-java                             2.7.0-4                            XSL Transformations (XSLT) processor in Java
[23:59] <jared> ii  libxerces2-java                            2.8.1-2                            Validating XML parser for Java with DOM leve
[23:59] <jared> ii  openoffice.org-java-common                 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu5                   OpenOffice.org office suite Java support arc
[23:59] <jared> jared@jared-desktop:~$
[23:59] <jared> oops lol
[23:59] <Jucato> jared: don't paste here!
[23:59] <jared> thats what I did
[23:59] <jared> sorry...
[23:59] <Jucato> see? there's no sun java
[23:59] <jared> oooh
[23:59] <jared> I followed someone's instructions before
[23:59] <jared> so blame them :P
[23:59] <Jucato> you didn't install it. or maybe you thought you did, but did you agree to the license agreement portion?


[23:38] <JoseeAntonioR> Panorama is a feature that is used to group tabs as you want. To access it, just press Ctrl+Shift+E.
[23:38] <JoseeAntonioR> There, you can create new windows, and group the tabs exactly as you want to.
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> Also, you can change te size to, for example, emphasize the content.
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> [slide 15]
[23:39] <JoseeAntonioR> About extensions
[23:40] <JoseeAntonioR> Extensions are programs which are installed inside Firefox.
[23:41] <JoseeAntonioR> These programs have different uses, as for example managing your music player, changing the appearance of your windows, running commands, etc.
[23:41] <JoseeAntonioR> You can discover more about Extensions on http://addons.mozilla.com
[23:41] <ClassBot> InHisName asked: change size in tabs ?   Are you referring to the size of the 'window' in firefox ?
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> If you access Panorama, you'll see the current image of each tab.
[23:42] <JoseeAntonioR> You can change the size of that image.
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> It doesn't means that you're going to make some tabs more wide or more narrow.
[23:43] <JoseeAntonioR> It is just a reference, in Panorama
[23:45] <ClassBot> JoseeAntonioR asked: archie asked: someone told me I should install the "noscript" extension. why should i block scripts by default?
[23:45] <JoseeAntonioR> This script tries to block malicious script in some webs.
[23:46] <JoseeAntonioR> But, sometimes, scripts are useful, like in GreaseMonkey.
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> But, malicious scripts can severely damage your computer.
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> So, always be careful when you browse the net.
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> [slide 16]
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> Recommended extensions
[23:47] <JoseeAntonioR> First of all, Persona. I have already talked about it.
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> You can find it here: http://a.joj.me/35
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> In the slides it says FoxRunner. That extension is no longer available.
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> Then, you have AdBlock Plus.
[23:48] <JoseeAntonioR> This extension helps you to block ads in webpages. You just need to activate it.
[23:49] <JoseeAntonioR> You can find it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/
[23:49] <JoseeAntonioR> Finally, GreaseMonkey.
[23:49] <JoseeAntonioR> This allows you to run javascript on a webpage.
[23:50] <JoseeAntonioR> For example, if you want YouTube videos to always play in the highest resolution available, you download the script, and GreaseMonkey runs it automatically when the address is www.youtube.com
[23:50] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[23:50] <JoseeAntonioR> You can find GreaseMonkey here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/greasemonkey/
[23:51] <JoseeAntonioR> MrChrisDruif asked how can you browse the web, and History is not logged, etc.
[23:51] <JoseeAntonioR> This functionality is called Private Browsing.
[23:51] <JoseeAntonioR> You can access it by pressing Ctrl+Shift+P
[23:52] <JoseeAntonioR> The tabs of the current session will be stored, and the window you are currently in will be closed. The private browsing window will open.
[23:52] <JoseeAntonioR> When you are finished, just press Ctrl+Shift+P again to return to the previous session.
[23:54] <JoseeAntonioR> If there are any more questions, please don't hesitate on asking them in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[23:55] <ClassBot> archie asked: What are the dos and don'ts concerning secure browsing with firefox?
[23:55] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[23:55] <JoseeAntonioR> Always use the most current version of your browser.
[23:56] <JoseeAntonioR> When you are making transactions online, check for the "lock" icon on the status bar that shows that you are on a secured website, and that the url begins with https://
[23:57] <JoseeAntonioR> Only perform transactions like shopping or submitting personal information at sites that are well established and that are familiar to you.
[23:57] <JoseeAntonioR> If you are not familiar with a site, make sure that the site has a privacy policy and information about the site's security measures.
[23:57] <JoseeAntonioR> Do not share your passwords with strangers.
[23:58] <JoseeAntonioR> Any more questions?
[23:59] <JoseeAntonioR> Thanks to everyone for being here today. It has been a great experience.
[23:59] <JoseeAntonioR> There is a session about Ubuntu Equivalents by sagaci next.
[23:59] <JoseeAntonioR> If you have any doubts, just PM me.
[23:59] <JoseeAntonioR> Thanks, and goodbye.


[03:15] <Shand_>  /server irc.ircstorm.net
[06:38] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:14] <knightwise> morning peepz
[08:56] <knightwise> morning peepz
[09:41] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:48] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[09:49] <MooDoo> :)
[09:54] <MooDoo> bloomin reboots
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> if you can't reboot on a monday, when can you reboot? :-)
[10:04] <MooDoo> zmoylan-pi: it was my laptop and I didn't really want to reboot, but I changed fstab and am to impatient to wait :)
[10:36] <knightwise> hey zmoylan-pi
[10:36] <knightwise> how you doing dude
[10:38] <zmoylan-pi> it's a monday, waiting in my bunker till it had passed...
[10:47] <knightwise> it ... being 'the week ?
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> monday morning... it's the worst...
[10:54] <knightwise> True that
[10:54] <knightwise> Working remotely on my imac running ubuntu
[10:54] <knightwise> Teamviewer is awesome
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> shiny
[11:04] <knightwise> gotta say , this mac is running pretty smoothly
[11:04] <knightwise> opera is pretty fast , cli apps fly and the whole thing looks great
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> haven't used opera on desktop since version 12 currently using vivaldi
[12:30] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: how is that working out ?
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> the only missing feature atm is sync of bookmarks... but that's coming 'real soon'
[12:37] <knightwise> so .. what makes that browser so special ?
[12:38] <MooDoo> howdy
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> 1) it's not chrome 2) it's a reboot of opera from the guy who started opera
[13:00] <knightwise> aha , that sounds interesting
[13:01] <zmoylan-pi> the only bad thing about it is that it uses chrome extensions so you're limited to those that google allows into their extension store
[13:04] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: still , not bad though
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> the only reason i still have firefox installed is for extensions and that's going away in a few months
[13:16] <MooDoo> i think i have FF installed, not sure why though lol
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> back from when it was small and useful? :-)
[13:17] <MooDoo> scratch that, just purged it :)
[13:38] <knightwise> FF is bloated
[13:42] <knightwise> Opera is pretty slick, dark theme , night mode , moving backgrounds , sync .. the works
[13:46] <knightwise> hey steve-stf
[13:59] <diddledan> in, out, in, out, shake them all about
[14:00] <MooDoo> do the hokey cokey lol
[14:07] <diddledan> and you turn around
[14:07] <MooDoo> yeah mate, that's what it's all about
[14:07] <diddledan> I wonder why the American version is "The Hokey Pokey"?
[14:16] <MooDoo> something to do with ice cream
[14:33] <MooDoo> is it time to go home yet?
[14:33] <Laney> yep
[14:34] <Laney> and you can have the rest of the week off too
[14:36] <MooDoo> Laney: thanks boss
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> sweden has had a teeny weeny data breach... https://thehackernews.com/2017/07/sweden-data-breach.html?m=1
[22:02] <diddledan> oops
[22:03]  * diddledan snorts
[22:08] <diddledan> oh wow, SAPO and the SAS-equiv are doxed too
[22:08] <diddledan> oh boy that is crazy. it's worse the more I read
[22:47] <zmoylan-pi> everyone can just fill out a form, change their name and careers, move to a new location... :-P


[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:07] <elfy> hi lordievader
[07:08] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you?
[07:08] <elfy> waking up just :p
[07:13] <wilee-nilee> elfy, what up homie
[07:13] <lordievader> elfy: Good luck, have a coffee ;)
[07:17] <elfy> wilee-nilee: !!!!
[07:18] <elfy> lordievader: I'm half-way through teapot #2 - I'm getting there :)
[07:18] <lordievader> Hihi, I'm having my first coffee :)
[07:18] <elfy> wilee-nilee: you know how it is - nothing much changes - I think the only thing different since the last time I spoke to you is me joining the Community Council
[07:19] <wilee-nilee> elfy, Cool, if that works for you. ;)
[07:19] <elfy> :)
[07:20] <elfy> I have a master plan - when I expire from that - that'll be almost 10 years floating about in *buntuland - time to say cheerio
[07:26] <wilee-nilee> elfy, I had a good time just helping there, learned a lot.
[07:27] <elfy> yep - same
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[16:35]  * genii makes coffee
[16:36]  * Beldar grabs their oversized mug


[08:16] <dpm> good morning all
[08:57] <TLE> good morning
[08:58] <TLE> so how did it go, did the builds work for lucid?
[09:05] <TLE> dpm: ^^
[09:11] <dpm> TLE, hi, just a sec, for some reason the net is being a bit slow today...
[09:15] <dpm> TLE, they've been built and uploaded to proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/language-pack-ca-base (here's the Catalan one as an example, but I haven'T had the chance to test them yet)
[09:16] <dpm> but it seems the Finnish FF translations are broken, given the feedback
[09:24] <artnay> dpm: feedback where? #?
[09:25] <dpm> artnay, on the translators list -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2011-February/004395.html
[09:26] <artnay> dpm: thanks, will look into it
[11:00] <fromishps> Hey all
[11:01] <fromishps> I'm a friend of jtv, I'm going to myanmar to the barcamps in Yangon and Mandalay
[11:01] <fromishps> I will try to do an Ubuntu Install-fest
[11:01] <fromishps> and can recruit translators
[11:01] <jtv> dpm: ^^
[11:01] <dpm> fromishps, ah, cool!
[11:02] <fromishps> what guides can I use to get people started
[11:02] <dpm> let me give you the links...
[11:02] <dpm> fromishps, you can start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/QuickStartGuide
[11:04] <fromishps> ok cool
[11:04] <fromishps> I've just skimmed a bit of that
[11:04] <fromishps> will look at it properly later
[11:05] <dpm> fromishps, you'd also be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/
[11:05] <fromishps> Once I've got a bunch of volunteers, are there any stumbling blocks I should be wary of
[11:05] <fromishps> ?
[11:06] <fromishps> they'll probably be keen but a bit clueless about linux, with good english skills
[11:08] <fromishps> most people I met there hadn't heard of IRC either
[11:08] <dpm> fromishps, you should probably get familiar with the concept of upstreams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream - apart from that, I'd say that the most important thing is to keep communication between the team, either with a mailing list, IRC, Forum, physical meetings, etc.
[11:08] <dpm> and if you've got any questions, just ask them here or on the ubuntu-translators mailing list (in those links above^)
[11:08] <fromishps> sure, thanks
[11:09] <dpm> fromishps, let me know how it works, I think this is an awesome initiative
[11:09] <fromishps> I'll do my best
[11:09] <fromishps> Mozilla was going to set up a community there but the rep got his visa cancelled which has dismayed a lot of people
[11:09] <fromishps> rejected I mean
[11:10] <dpm> :/
[11:10] <fromishps> I still think that will happen, so there are motivated people there, and the BarCamps will definitely be the place to find them
[11:10] <fromishps> one problem is the great lack of knowledge about linux
[11:11] <fromishps> very few people seem to have heard about it
[11:11] <fromishps> wanna change that
[11:11] <dpm> cool
[11:12] <fromishps> I'll keep you posted, I'm leaving on Friday and we should have 200 install CDs ready for Mandalay
[11:12] <fromishps> that's 12-13
[11:12] <fromishps> feb
[11:12] <fromishps> Yangon is 19-20
[11:12] <fromishps> btw anyone who wants to go still has time for yangon if they are near a myanmar embassy
[11:13] <dpm> :)
[11:17] <fromishps> Ok, I think I've just recruited one person already. She was the person mozilla were going to talk to.
[11:17] <fromishps> not a bad start
[11:27] <dpm> brilliant :)
[11:29] <Mirv> dpm: the Finnish firefox translation is btw untouched since last April, so the export feature has just somehow broken again
[11:30] <dpm> hi Mirv, I think the exports are ok. I believe the problem lies in the po2xpi tool, which is used to create the FF xpis from the data exported from LP. I've also seen the same breakage in Occitan
[11:30] <dpm> thanks for the testing, btw :)
[11:32] <Mirv> ok, po2xpi then :)
[11:35] <dpm> Mirv, perhaps you can help me on that. I've seen that so far the only languages that have got broken FF translations are the ones put on a "whitelist" txt file in po2xpi. These are Finnish and Occitan. Any ideas why Finnish is on this whitelist?
[11:36] <dpm> Did the Finnish translations not make in time for a particular Mozilla release and were included in Ubuntu through this whitelisting?
[11:37] <Mirv> dpm: hmm, my only memory from that kind of thing is simply that "it used to work" after asac at some point in history did additional fixes to po2xpi. Firefox should be as translated as possible in upstream
[11:38] <Mirv> asac might know more, it was possibly also because I was the one who debugged the po2xpi problems with asac at some point, so maybe he then whitelisted when he knew a language that for sure works
[11:39] <Mirv> and kept others not sure cases non-whitelisted
[11:39] <dpm> Mirv, right, do you happen to remember which problems there where with the Finnish xpi back then?
[11:40] <dpm> I'm thinking of simply removing it from the whitelist, so that at least they can be generated without trouble, and worry about the po2xpi fixes later
[11:42] <Mirv> dpm: well, exactly similar kind of issues, ie. XML errors which render the whole Firefox non-functional.
[11:42] <Mirv> so these bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/429835
[11:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 429835 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 4 other projects) "[MASTER] chrome error when viewing untrusted https site using firefox with some locales (affects: 36) (dups: 4) (heat: 95)" [High,Fix released]
[11:43] <Mirv> asac:"finnish is struck by the still open langpack-o-matic part of this bug because its one of the few whitelisted for po2xpi ... i removed fi from whitelist for now in 9.10 ... once its fixed we will enable it again."
[11:43] <Mirv> no answer to why it was whitelisted :D
[11:44] <Mirv> (comment #23)
[12:53] <artnay> have you guys found this already? https://translations.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/2.x/+pots/django
[12:56] <artnay> not all the languages are being imported but it will hopefully change soon, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-identity-provider/+bug/715744
[12:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 715744 in canonical-identity-provider "Inform translators what to do with partly translated languages (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:57] <artnay> maybe the word should be spread via ML


[00:31] <revisionz> Hi
[00:32] <revisionz> new xubuntu user here. What is a good GUI disk/partition manager?
[01:38] <samtop> hello, I just installed Xubuntu and I am pretty new to it.  I wanna listen to music on the internet with Exaile, but I get an error message that says "You do not have a decoder installed to handle this file. You might need to install the necessary plugins."
[03:53] <datz> hi, is there anything which makes xubuntu lighter than ubuntu besides xfce?
[03:53] <datz> is it basically ubuntu server with xfce?
[03:58] <FFForever> *updates bnc*
[03:59] <FFForever> *updated
[04:05] <xubuntu373> hello
[04:12] <FFForever> Hi
[08:19] <subspider> hello everyone
[08:19] <subspider> :D
[12:16] <MalkavianManiac> anyone alive? i need somebody to check something for me
[12:18] <well_laid_lawn> MalkavianManiac: if I can ...
[12:18] <MalkavianManiac> well_laid_lawn, http://techie-server.getmyip.com/
[12:18] <MalkavianManiac> prompt for a password?
[12:19] <MalkavianManiac> is it prompting for a login?
[12:20] <well_laid_lawn> it's taking forever to load...
[12:20] <MalkavianManiac> hrmm
[12:20] <MalkavianManiac> try this one
[12:20] <MalkavianManiac> http://techie-server.getmyip.com:8080/
[12:20] <well_laid_lawn> yep it wants a password
[12:20] <MalkavianManiac> on 8080 or standard?
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> linksys wag 200g
[12:21] <MalkavianManiac> yep
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> on 80 afaik
[12:21] <MalkavianManiac> okay, thanks heaps well_laid_lawn
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> np :]
[12:21] <MalkavianManiac> was too lazy to tunnel to the UK to test it
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[12:22] <MalkavianManiac> im gonna head to bed, catch ya around well_laid_lawn
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> night there MalkavianManiac
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> g'night
[17:48] <likemindead> Any of you folks use Skype in Xubuntu Lucid? My video works fine, but audio is a problem. It was perfect in vanilla Ubuntu Lucid, though.
[17:49] <TheSheep> !skype
[17:52] <likemindead> ...
[17:54] <ochosi> likemindead, hard to say since both ubuntu and xubuntu use pulse-audio these days
[17:55] <likemindead> Yep. It's strange. It seems to be the mixer that Xubuntu uses. It doesn't have the options the GNOME one does.
[17:56] <likemindead> Can I uninstall the Xfce mixer and install the GNOME one? Will that cause problems?
[17:56] <ochosi> likemindead, i can't see the mixer causing the problem
[17:56] <ochosi> likemindead, before you start with that, what's the audio problem really?
[17:57] <ochosi> likemindead, just saying "audio is a problem" isn't a very helpful description ;)
[17:57] <likemindead> True.
[17:57] <likemindead> In Ubuntu, you can select the input. In my case, the Hercules webcam mic.
[17:57] <likemindead> No such option in the Xfce mixer.
[17:58] <ochosi> ah right, so you're using an external usb device
[17:58] <ochosi> you can try to install the pulse-audio mixer additionally, that might help with your problem
[17:58] <ochosi> one sec, i'll dig up the package-name for you
[17:58] <likemindead> Skype isn't picking up audio input from me in Xubuntu, but is fine in Ubuntu on my wife's laptop (and was fine on this one 'til I switched to Xubuntu).
[17:59] <ochosi> likemindead, try "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol"
[17:59] <Sysi> hercules doesn't appear on drop-down menu you mean?
[17:59] <likemindead> Looking at it in Synaptic now.
[17:59] <likemindead> Right, Sysi. Not like it does in GNOME.
[18:00] <likemindead> The Xfce mixer is about the only thing I dislike in Xubuntu. Always have. :-[
[18:00] <likemindead> Well, it shows up, but has no real options other than "Master."
[18:00] <likemindead> :-\
[18:01] <likemindead> What does the red dot button mean? Is red on or off?
[18:01] <ochosi> likemindead, the xfce-mixer is actually pretty much a recent rewrite based on gstreamer, as long as you add all the channels it's pretty functional
[18:01] <ochosi> the red button is a toggle button, so its state is pretty self-explanatory
[18:02] <likemindead> So... red is on? Or off?
[18:02] <likemindead> :-\
[18:02] <ochosi> the color of the button doesn't change
[18:02] <ochosi> in the xfce-mixer
[18:02] <likemindead> Uh... yeah it does.
[18:02] <ochosi> oh well, it does... :)
[18:03] <ochosi> but still: it's a toggle button
[18:03] <ochosi> so if it's pushed it's activated
[18:03] <ochosi> and concluding from that means: red == pushed == activated
[18:03] <likemindead> Thought so. That's not the problem, then. They were all red.
[18:04] <ochosi> well for choosing your hercules webcam you'd have to use the drop-down and change to that anyways
[18:05] <likemindead> In Xubuntu, Skype has fewer options. See this thread: http://wwww.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9368977
[18:05] <likemindead> They're describing exactly what I'm experiencing.
[18:06] <ochosi> likemindead, that's not a very eye-opening description of your problem tbh
[18:06] <likemindead> IT LIVES!
[18:06] <ochosi> basically it only tells us that you have an audio problem
[18:07] <likemindead> Well, I just added all 1,000 options in the mixer and turned them all up to 80% and one of them did the trick.
[18:07] <likemindead> Sweet.
[18:07] <likemindead> But annoying.
[18:07] <likemindead> It's so much easier in Ubuntu. :-\
[18:07] <likemindead> It's a good thing I love Xubuntu so much. ;-)
[20:47] <slow-motion> hi
[20:49] <likemindead> Yo.
[22:41] <slow-motion> n8
[23:02] <cristian_c> hi guys
[23:04] <cristian_c> I have a problem with the sounds of startup and login
[23:05] <cristian_c> I was told that the service would be restored in Lucid
[23:06] <cristian_c> I do not know how to select sounds
[23:06] <cristian_c> Until Jaunty, this could be done
[23:07] <cristian_c> Just go to the Login Window and select the Accessibility
[23:08] <cristian_c> Now the Login Window dialog no longer exists
[23:09] <cristian_c> How do I resolve this?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> hmmm, ask in #ubuntu?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> there is a "play login sound" in Applications -> System -> Login Screen
[23:11] <cristian_c> Ok, but they told me they do not use xfce
[23:11] <charlie-tca> You don't actually want sounds in xfce. You want sound in GDM
[23:11] <cristian_c> ok
[23:12] <charlie-tca> There is also "enable event sounds" in Applications -> Settings -> Appearance, Settings tab
, ok, thanks, but I can't hear any sounds
[23:22] <cristian_c> charlie-tca, Especially I can not select any custom sound as jaunty
[23:25] <charlie-tca> GDM has changed too much since Jaunty to expect it to work the same
[23:25] <charlie-tca> I think gnome took those options out when it was re-written
[23:25] <cristian_c> ok
[23:28] <cristian_c> charlie-tca, then cannot I do anything to the command line?
[23:28] <cristian_c> in the terminal, I mean
[23:32] <charlie-tca> You said startup and login sounds. What does that have to do with terminal?
[23:35] <cristian_c> charlie-tca, maybe that those options are no longer in the GUI, but that we should do everything through text file and terminal
[23:35] <cristian_c> :)


[00:15] <lukas-grusel> phillw, sent to desktop one keeps the window position (just changes the desktop)
[00:19] <lukas-grusel> calamari, this in fact worked. i knew, that you can move windows, when you alt+click them. but i wasn't able to click. this way, it jumps to my curser.
[00:19] <lukas-grusel> calamari, thank you a lot.
[00:19] <calamari> awesome! you're welcome
[07:28] <l057c0d3r> hmm..  anyone got a nice config setup for a r.a.t.7 mouse??
[07:29] <l057c0d3r> i'm runnning a custom one.. but a few buttons dont work.. and every time i try to get them to.. I get weird effects from the mouse..  like not able to click unless right clicking a window then middle then right ext...
[07:29] <l057c0d3r> weird stuff..
[07:29] <l057c0d3r> right now i got all but the aim button.. mode button and second wheel working
[07:30] <l057c0d3r> didn't exspect to get the mode button working....  but second wheel would be nice.
[09:24] <paln> hey
[09:25] <paln> anyone there?
[09:26] <paln> hellooooooo?
[11:08] <kvarley> How can I enable window tiling in lubuntu?
[11:08] <paln> kvarley: tiling?
[11:08] <kvarley> paln: Drag a window to the left and it fills the left side of the screen
[11:09] <kvarley> paln: It's provided by the Compiz grid plugin I think
[11:09] <paln> you mean snapping
[11:09] <kvarley> paln: that's the one lol
[11:09] <paln> yes it is
[11:09] <kvarley> paln: How can I enable snapping?
[11:09] <paln> not too sure
[11:09] <kvarley> Compiz conflicts with openbox and messes up the title bars and panels =/
[11:09] <paln> but install compoz duh
[11:09] <paln> oh ok
[11:10] <paln> I'm not an expert : D
[11:10] <kvarley> Hehe no problem, thanks anyways
[11:10] <paln> try the Ubuntu forums
[11:10] <paln> I recommended that first
[11:11] <paln> or the Ubuntu help wiki
[11:11] <paln> prevents the same question being repeatedly asked
[11:11] <paln> I'm just here waiting for someone to show up :P
[11:11] <paln> on #ubuntu-uk as well
[11:14] <kvarley> paln: What do you need help with? xD
[11:15] <paln> do you think Lubuntu would work well with a 1GHz CPU and 128mb SDR RAM
[11:17] <paln> accidentally quit
[11:18] <kvarley> paln: I haven't tried it with that little RAM
[11:18] <kvarley> paln: I've only tried with 128MB DDR
[11:18] <paln> alright how was it? decent enough?
[11:18] <kvarley> paln: what operating system is currently on the device
[11:18] <paln> windows me
[11:18] <Folklore> paln I think it may
[11:18] <paln> D:
[11:18] <Folklore> 128 is pretty small
[11:19] <Folklore> the cpu is fine though
[11:19] <paln> Folklore: thanks, I plan on getting more ram
[11:19] <paln> just for the meantime
[11:19] <kvarley> paln: Just make sure you have a decent swap
[11:19] <Folklore> thers always damn small linux
[11:19] <paln> kvarley: the hard drives a shitty thing
[11:19] <paln> I mean it's slow
[11:19] <Folklore> that'll forsure run on your specs
[11:19] <paln> forms what I gather
[11:20] <paln> I downloaded the ISO for DSL yesterday
[11:20] <paln> I wanted to try it out
[11:20] <paln> I've tried puppy as well but it lags at times
[11:20] <paln> like media playing
[11:21] <paln> alright brb
[11:33] <kvarley> paln: Anything should be better that Windows lol
[12:04] <Folklore> I use win as my main os
[12:09] <kvarley> Why? xD
[12:40] <pmatulis> phillw: re 'removal of chromium-browser', the ton of packages will only be removed if i use aptitude, apt-get is ok (just 3 to be removed)
[12:42] <pmatulis> see http://paste.ubuntu.com/778561/
[16:37] <phillw> pmatulis: It's way beyond me! I've asked via the mailing list, including your paste for one of the 'guru's to take a look at it.
[16:40] <phillw> paln: just remember, that if you are going to take lubuntu for a spin, you will need to grab the alternate iso, you do not have enough RAM to run the pretty Ubiquity installer.
[17:18] <Unit193> pmatulis: AH! aptitude tries to remove a ton for me, but since I'm an apt-get person I wouldn't know (checked it out, that's what I got)
[17:22] <pmatulis> strange and disappointing
[18:54] <venik212> I am trying to run a bash file under lxde, but it fails.  It ran under Unity, Gnome, etc.  Is tehre some trick to it under LXDE?
[18:55] <Unit193> You have to make sure it has the executable bit
[18:58] <venik212> I did not change it when I moved to LXDE
[18:58] <venik212> the box: Make the file executable is checked
[18:59] <Unit193> Try opening a terminal,  change to that dir, and run ./script
[18:59] <bioterror> lxde mostly likes to run .desktop files
[18:59] <venik212> I did, and it "ran", but did not do its thing (which is to back up my HOME directory
[19:00] <venik212> in Gnome, the target drive for the backup had to be visible on the desktop
[19:00] <venik212> I do not konw how to do that in LXDE
[19:00] <venik212> but I like LXDE so much that I want to make it work, so I could keep using it
[19:03] <venik212> I also want to add some keyboard shortcuts (Cntrl-L to lock the screen...) but could not find how to do it.  I hope I don't have to edit that long .xml file...
[19:04] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#I_want_to_bind_a_key_to_lock_my_screen.2C_how_do_I_do_it.3F
[19:11] <venik212> bioterror -- thanks, but it did not work
[19:15] <bioterror> venik212, openbox --reconfigure
[19:16] <venik212> thanks.  I wanted to use Cntr-Shift-L.  Cntrl --> C, how do I make it Cntrl-Shift?
[19:17] <bioterror> C-S-l
[19:17] <venik212> thanks a lot!
[19:20] <bioterror> you could copy your backup script to /usr/local/bin/ or what ever you prefer
[19:21] <bioterror> and then make a backup.desktop to your ~/Desktop
[19:21] <bioterror> and add exec line like: exec=/usr/local/bin/backup.sh
[19:25] <venik212> bioterror-- sorry, neither worked.....
[19:25] <bioterror> what did not work?
[19:25] <venik212> I rebooted, clicked reconfigure, etc.
[19:25] <venik212> The openbox settings do not have a reconfigure
[19:25] <venik212> putting the c-s-l keybind to lock the screen
[19:26] <venik212> I follwed the url u sent here
[19:26] <venik212> Oh well.... I shall just have to click on the icon for now
[19:26] <venik212> got to run
[19:28] <bioterror> ummm
[19:29] <bioterror> you have it in a correct section?
[19:53] <nutin> hi
[19:54] <nutin>  /quit
[22:37] <Neosano> anybody willing to report a bug ? >.<
[22:38] <holstein> report? i could test, and confirm, and mark myself as effected if that would help
[22:39] <Neosano> yes
[22:39] <Neosano> wait a sec Ill explain it..
[22:41] <Neosano> and again. problem with using more than one keyboard layouts
[22:41] <Neosano> this command was used to set it up setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "ee(us),ru"
[22:41] <Neosano> now, the bug
[22:41] <Neosano> I open up two leafpads (works with any two windows or more)
[22:42] <Neosano> in one leafpad I change layout to EE, in another one I change it to RU
[22:42] <Neosano> now if I tap for example F button in one leafpad
[22:42] <Neosano> and then quickly press ALT+TAB
[22:42] <Neosano> in second window I'll see F and then russian A
[22:43] <Neosano> so the language doesn't change fast enough..
[22:43] <Neosano> hard to explain, did you get it?
[22:44] <Neosano> when pressing X
[22:44] <Neosano> i have in one leafpad "xxxxxxxxxx"
[22:44] <Neosano> and in another one "xчччччч"
[23:01] <Neosano> holstein, I've uploaded a video here http://www.myupload.dk/showfile/1Zmquus6X.avi
[23:02] <holstein> Neosano: you can just link the bug# here and ask for help confirming
[23:03] <Neosano> I fail at describing it :(
[23:03] <Neosano> and don't know which package is the problem
[23:07] <Neosano> holstein, can you do it for me? pleeease.. sorry for interrupting you from something important
[23:09] <holstein> Neosano: not really... it will be some time *after* you file, and link the the bug # that i can get lubuntu up and try replicating
[23:09] <holstein> you'll have the information needed to file
[23:11] <Neosano> holstein, but where should I report it? >_<
[23:12] <Neosano> when I know which application is failing I use ubuntu-bug
[23:12] <Neosano> but now?
[23:13] <holstein> Neosano: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[23:14] <Neosano> holstein, already visited this page. it doesn't really help
[23:14] <Neosano> or should I simply report in lubuntu-meta?
[23:15] <PhireB0mb3r> Is there a way to set the screensaver per hot corner or shortcut like CTRL+ALT+L?
[23:15] <PhireB0mb3r> I currently have to run 'xscreensaver-command -lock'
[23:16] <holstein> Neosano: if the bug is with lubuntu-meta
[23:16] <holstein> but its not
[23:16] <Neosano> -.-
[23:16] <Neosano> then how? I don't get it.
[23:17] <Neosano> PhireB0mb3r, well, if you use kupfer it's pretty easy to set shortcuts
[23:17] <Neosano> PhireB0mb3r, and I highly recommend you to use it :)
[23:18] <PhireB0mb3r> Neosano: I will now, thanks.
[23:19] <Neosano> PhireB0mb3r, but it's gonna be a little bit tricky at first
[23:20] <Neosano> PhireB0mb3r, so you open kupfer (ctrl+space) by default, type "lock screen" press tab, choose Run, now press ctrl+enter, tab, choose "add trigger" press enter and press any shortcut you want
[23:21] <Neosano> holstein, is it openbox bug? :\
[23:21] <Neosano> oh yeah. it's openbox bug
[23:21] <Neosano> right.
[23:22] <Neosano> still there must be an option "I HAVE NO IDEA"
[23:22] <holstein> Neosano: you can do that... but the well reported, and followed up on bugs are the ones that get hugs
[23:26] <Neosano> oh, and after you type any packange in ubuntu-bug, an option appears "I don't know"
[23:26] <Neosano> hahahahahhaha
[23:27] <Neosano> and running ubuntu-bug without parameters is impossible
[23:27] <Neosano> well, it's horrible
[23:27] <Neosano> sounds like another bug :D
[23:27] <Neosano> bored of it, wont report it :D
[23:27] <Neosano> holstein, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openbox/+bug/907948


[18:43] <dsmythies> pleia2: I noticed that you updated the wiki for the next doc metting. Thanks. However, there has been some other meeting in ubuntu-meeting-2 the last two times. Shouldn't we just change the meeting to here instead?
[18:43] <pleia2> dsmythies: I'd rather change the meeting time, keeping our meetings in the -meeting channel means other folks in the community can see them
[18:43] <pleia2> (that's why we have a meeting channel!)
[18:46] <ahoneybun> why is there 2 anyway>
[18:47] <dsmythies> pleia2: well, I'll defer to you. Is there a meeting room booking location somewhere?
[18:47] <pleia2> dsmythies: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/
[18:47] <pleia2> tuesdays are a popular meeting day
[18:47] <dsmythies> ahoneybun: number 2 was setup when there where a bunch of conflicts with only 1.
[18:48] <pleia2> just switching to wednesday would solve the problem
[18:48] <ahoneybun> I see
[18:48] <pleia2> ahoneybun: you should see openstack, we have 4 meeting channels :)
[18:48] <ahoneybun> damn
[18:48]  * ahoneybun was at a OpenStack talk the other day
[18:48] <ahoneybun> still not sure it's uses
[18:50] <dsmythies> pleia2: Wednesday used to be the day, and was popular amongst the doc team. I can never make Wednesday.
[18:50] <pleia2> ahoneybun: I happen to be writing a book on the very topic, I'll send you a copy if I ever manage to finish it ;)
[18:50] <pleia2> dsmythies: doh :) thursday perhaps?
[18:52] <ahoneybun> time is the issue for me sadly
[18:52] <ahoneybun> pleia2: I'd love read it if I could find a use for it in my life XD


[00:11] <bwallach> morning evening afternoon
[15:01] <holstein> famax: when i change those settings and set them too extreme on *any* hardware, jack wont start
[15:02] <holstein> rustyraptor: have you tried a live CD? or any other way to make sure its not a hardware malfunction?
[15:06] <rustyraptor> well it happened after I installed the nvidia proprietary drivers
[15:06] <rustyraptor> lot's of annoying bugs and issues happened after I installed them.
[15:06] <holstein> rustyraptor: try removing the drivers, and let the creator of them know that you are having issues..
[15:07] <holstein> though, i would take time to run a live CD and make sure its not something in the hardare, personally
[15:07] <rustyraptor> ok thanks :) will give it a try tonight.
[15:07] <holstein> nvidia proprietary drivers are basically (as the documentation states) "as-is".. code cant be looked at or "fixed"
[15:07] <holstein> rustyraptor: you can try #ubuntu and see if you can find anyone with your sepcific hardware.. or #xubuntu
[15:39] <rustyraptor> I fixed the problems with the desktop. It seems the nvidia-Xserver settings were messed up.
[15:39] <rustyraptor> but the login screen is still smaller than it should be but it's not a big deal really
[15:39] <holstein> good
[15:40] <rustyraptor> the xfce4-panel applications menu was also lagging at startup but now it's fixed.
[15:40] <holstein> again, let nvidia know you would like the linux community to be able to assist you with that problem.. otherwise, you are looking at a greeter that has different geometry
[15:41] <rustyraptor> oh yes I will definitely let them know. I have reported various other problems in the past :)


[07:59] <darkxst> ricotz, are you planning to do a cogl/clutter transition on trusty?
[07:59] <darkxst> err saucy even
[08:05] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i thought about it, but havent planned it yet
[08:05] <ricotz> i guess it would ease the mutter/g-s backports quite a lot ;)
[08:06] <darkxst> ricotz, yes, and there are a couple of bugs in the current mutter/g-s in there (fixed in upstream versions)
[08:07] <darkxst> although there is also a bug in 3.10.3 g-s, fixed in git
[08:11] <ricotz> ok, i will try to do this
[08:11] <darkxst> ricotz, thanks
[08:11] <ricotz> as usual i will ignore cinnamon/ muffin
[08:12] <darkxst> ricotz, I had cinnamon demoted from release ;)
[08:12] <ricotz> good :)
[08:12] <darkxst> it has been broken since atleast May last year
[08:14] <ricotz> btw, those packages are very much candidates for official trusty https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty
[08:14] <ricotz> bbl
[08:15] <darkxst> ok, don't think we will be able to get gnome-terminal in
[23:20] <petersaints> What are the plans for the PPAs on Ubuntu 14.04? I noticed that https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 now has GNOME 3.10 for Saucy, instead of just having a few missing bits of GNOME 3.8. Also it says that GNOME 3.12 will be available there for Trusty. But will it be upon the release of Ubuntu 14.04 or will GNOME 3.12 stay like 3 months on the staging PPA before going to the main PPA and meanwhile only a few missing
[23:20] <petersaints> bits of GNOME 3.10 will be on the PPA. Also what about gnome3-next PPA? It now says "This PPA will contain the stable GNOME 3.10 packages for Trusty". Shouldn't it have the GNOME 3.12 packages instead of the main PPA? I'm just asking this because I'm currently using another distro and depending on the quality of the PPAs I may decide getting back to Ubuntu GNOME or not.
[23:59] <darkxst> petersaints, we have consolidated all saucy ppa's into gnome3


[02:28] <snail> http://ubuntu-nz.org/ doesn't seem like the most useful url to have in the title
[02:28] <chilts> snail: slow day?
[02:28] <ajmitch> oh fun
[02:28]  * ajmitch should find out how to fix that
[02:28] <snail> something like that
[02:29] <chilts> :)
[02:29] <ojwb> it seems to pretty well summarise us I think
[02:30] <snail> apparently we have a contract linux admin starting up here shortly anyone know who it is?
[02:30] <ajmitch> 'here' being?
[02:30] <ibeardslee> I thought that had already been linked to the wiki page
[02:30] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: used to be
[02:30]  * ojwb wonders why it seemed a good idea to rename the text boot config on the CD from text.cfg to txt.cfg between lucid and natty
[02:31] <ojwb> I guess that extra character can be put to better use somewhere
[02:31] <ibeardslee> txt spek?
[02:31] <ajmitch> following the fine traditions of UNIX?
[02:31] <ojwb> ajmitch: randomly renaming stuff?
[02:32] <snail> ajmitch: 'here' being Victoria University of Wellington
[02:32] <ajmitch> ojwb: a strong aversion to vowels
[02:34] <snail> for april 1 we should do a distro where all executable files' names are mime-style base64 encoded
[02:35] <snail> or would anyone notice?
[02:35] <chilts> heh
[02:37] <ojwb> ajmitch: I'm reminded of that Ken Thompson quote: http://books.google.com/books?id=poFQAAAAMAAJ&q=%22spell+creat+with+an+e%22&dq=%22spell+creat+with+an+e%22
[02:37] <chilts> snail: one time in Catalyst people changed their nicks to be the first 8 chars of their GPG key ... it was quite painful trying to figure out who was who
[02:37] <chilts> snail: http://she.geek.nz/archives/394-more-crazy-times-in-catalyst.html
[02:40] <ajmitch> who doesn't know their GPG ID?
[02:40] <ojwb> 3bad2b07
[02:44] <chilts> 3bad!!!
[02:44] <chilts> hmm, I need to copy it from my old computer to this one
[02:46] <ibeardslee> I have my business card taped to my monitor
[02:46] <chilts> because you can't remember your name or who you work for?
[02:48] <ibeardslee> .. .. .. .. 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 .. 2 1 0 .. for my gpg id
[02:49] <ajmitch> you only need to know the last 8 characters
[02:52] <ibeardslee> maybe I should use it as my password for a while .. help me remember
[02:54] <ajmitch> a rather public password
[02:55] <ibeardslee> only if you know it is being used as a password
[02:55] <ibeardslee> err
[02:56] <ajmitch> noone would ever know...
[02:58] <ibeardslee> well .. hopefully I would
[03:00] <ojwb> just make sure not to mention the idea in a public forum
[03:00] <ojwb> especially not one which is logged
[03:01] <ibeardslee> should be all good if I delete my logs right?
[03:02] <ojwb> hmm, I think our fuse box just went clunk and is now buzzing
[03:02] <ojwb> probably an enormous bee flew into it
[03:10] <chilts> heh, this conversation is too much
[03:10] <chilts> best fun I've had on a Thursday afternoon ... since like 4 EVA
[03:10] <chilts> :)
[03:10] <ajmitch> that's a bit of a worry
[03:13] <ojwb> i phoned the electricity company but I'm not the account holder
[03:13]  * ojwb sighs
[03:15] <chilts> that sucks
[03:16] <ojwb> yeah, though I understand
[03:16] <ojwb> at least fault reports skip the hold queue
[03:17] <ojwb> jenny's rung and they'll send someone round in 4-6 hours
[03:17] <ojwb> so I guess that's decided about python UG for me
[03:25] <snail> there was a powercut in wellington a few weeks ago that effected the uni. a unit had a shiny new building with a shiny new generator to keep the wheels rolling if the power should go off. the generator supplied ~500 volts for the first 5 seconds. some of the gear didn't like that.
[03:26] <snail> on the plus side, they're all getting shiny new computers now...
[03:26] <chilts> ;D
[03:26] <ibeardslee> heh
[03:31] <ibeardslee> no UPS?
[03:31] <ojwb> which reminds me, are power spikes, etc a big problem in NZ?
[03:32] <ojwb> i've notice in the electrical retailers they push surge filters quite hard
[03:33] <ojwb> but I've also noticed the prices they charge for them are silly, so I wonder if that's just because they can make more on those than on the actual equipment
[03:34] <ibeardslee> they do that because they can also sell extended warranties that are only valid if they have a surge protector
[03:35] <ajmitch> I think the power grid is fairly stable, but I've only lived down south, not in those dodgy areas like wellington
[03:38] <snail> I've twice lost equipment to lightning strikes in wellington residential/domestic buildings; in both cases the strikes were within 100 m of the equipment
[03:39]  * ojwb makes a note not to move near snail
[03:39] <snail> In hamilton I had a run of powercuts caused by boy-racers hitting power poles / transformers, but none of those fried hardware
[03:40] <snail> heh
[03:41]  * ibeardslee is more than 100m away
[03:49] <snail> Does someone have recommendations of surge filters ?
[03:50] <ojwb> snail: there's probably a poster of you up in every store with "do not sell surge filters to this man" underneath
[03:58] <snail> ojwb: i can think of worse things to be written under my photo.
[04:00] <chilts> Wanted!
[04:00] <chilts> for one
[04:04] <ibeardslee> better than "Not Wanted"
[04:07] <snail> "wanted dead or alive" with the second half scratched out
[19:33] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:45] <ibeardslee> right xfce it is then
[20:11] <ajmitch> morning
[20:18] <Atamira> morning
[21:02] <hads> Mornin
[21:28] <chilts> morning
[21:45] <ibeardslee> http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linus-torvalds-ditches-gnome-for-xfce/
[21:46] <ibeardslee> love the comment about not using unity
[21:46] <ibeardslee> in the comments, not the article
[21:47] <chilts> not surprising really .. he should just switch to XMonad :)
[22:16] <snail> he's a long way from the target audience of gnome, and getting further away by the day
[22:19] <ojwb> morning
[22:19] <ajmitch> at least it's a friday morning
[23:09] <thumper> morning
[23:53] <ojwb> oh, very funny natty
[23:53] <ojwb> apt-get remove 'gnome-.*'
[23:53] <ojwb> and it tries to install kde
[23:59] <ibeardslee> ojwb: is that to get a xfce desktop or somesuch?


 I mis-spoke earlier when I said Neon did not have double entries.  It has douple entries also, but for some reason the screen brightness works fine without manually ressetting the shortcuts.  As for kglobalshortcutsrc, it has 2 power devil sections ( found in Neon, Eaon and Disco):  [org_kde_powerdevil] and [powerdevil].
 odd
 May happen when you are using unstable Plasma snapshots
 how can I start Baloo so it actually finds something? I use kfind since months to be able to search my computer, Baloo does exactly nothing
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hey folks


[00:18] <msg75> Will get training from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/QATracker. OK
[08:38] <bluesabre> ochosi, Unit193, either of you want to add your votes to the latest team vote?
[08:44] <Unit193> I guess that's needed, eh?
[10:32] <bluesabre> :)
[10:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: Congrats on catfish release, and the PRs?
[10:33] <bluesabre> PRs?
[10:35] <Unit193> Pretty sure I saw some nice PRs in catfish?
[10:36] <bluesabre> Oh yeah
[10:36] <bluesabre> Yeah, it does look like there's a nice bundle of additional items to merge in now
[10:36] <bluesabre> How'd I miss those? :D
[10:37] <Unit193> KGB was reporting to me. :>
[18:33] <msg75> I am on qatracker trying to use vm to install and evaluate test cases. I don't see how to have a vm arranged to " Install Xubuntu XX.XX alongside SYSTEM YY as the testcase requires.
[18:36] <msg75> Testcase: Install (auto-resize) in Xubuntu Desktop amd64 in Impish Daily
[18:49] <jphilips> msg75: you'll have to first have another OS installed in order to try that testcase
[18:50] <msg75> In a vm?
[21:20] <jphilips> msg75: i've install xp and 7 into an vm and then install xubuntu in the vm after it


[00:28] <simplew> im with a serious problem, i have deleted the ppa and created another one, and now im trying to upload the packages to it but it says they already exist which is false, why is launchpad lying?
[00:28] <bigjools> is the error really from dput?
[00:29] <simplew> bigjools: Package has already been uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net
[00:29] <bigjools> then yes
[00:30] <simplew> but i did tried to upload to pp named kde
[00:30] <bigjools> dput -f
[00:33] <simplew> bigjools: now is uploading, but was dput lying?
[00:33] <StevenK> It wasn't, you already had uploaded it.
[00:35] <simplew> StevenK: but wasnt on this ppa, so was lying
[00:36] <StevenK> simplew: No, it wasn't. dput only checks per *host*, not per PPA.
[00:38] <simplew> StevenK: he was lying becuase was saying it was in the ppa named ppa and the ppa was deleted
[00:41] <bigjools> it was not lying, you had previously uploaded to that ppa
[00:41] <bigjools> end of story
[00:44] <wgrant> simplew: It didn't say it had been uploaded to a PPA named 'ppa'. It said it had been uploaded to the 'ppa' dput target, which takes the PPA name as an argument
[00:45] <wgrant> That the dput target and your PPA happened to have the same name is a slightly confusing coincidence.
[01:08] <simplew> whats the channel to talk about packagement?
[01:08] <lifeless> #ubuntu-packaging ?
[02:36] <simplew> everytime i run "debuild -S" i get passwordprompted, still ihave gpg-agent runing, what am i missing here?
[02:39] <andol> simplew: Suitable pinentry? Does your gpg.conf know that it wants to use gpg-agent?
[02:40] <andol> simplew: Have the appropiate GPG_AGENT_INFO environment? Usually happens automaticlly on a desktop system, but something you might need to put in your .profile on a server/ssh login.
[02:41] <simplew> andol: how do i know if it wants to use gpg-agent, i do have a gpg-agent running
[02:42] <andol> simplew: Does your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf contain the line "use-agent" ?
[02:42] <simplew> andol: yes
[02:43] <andol> Have a GPG_AGENT_INFO environment variable?
[02:43] <simplew> and i have this running: tuxer    17328  0.0  0.0  16788   996 ?        Ss   02:32   0:00 /usr/bin/gpg-agent --daemon --sh --write-env-file=/home/tuxer/.gnupg/gpg-agent-info-insys-W150HRM /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/startkde
[02:44] <andol> Also, when was the last time you brought your local sysadmin cake? :-)
[02:44] <simplew> andol: but in gpg.conf theres no line with GPG_AGENT_INFO
[02:44] <simplew> andol: dod what?
[02:45] <andol> echo $GPG_AGENT_INFO
[02:45] <simplew>  ->   /tmp/gpg-2LDKQb/S.gpg-agent:17328:1
[02:47] <andol> Well, in that case I am out of obviousus guesses.
[02:47] <simplew> crap
[02:48] <andol> Is gpg-agent working as expected outside of a debuild context?
[02:54] <simplew> andol: how do i know?
[02:57] <andol> Using the gpg commandline tool, repeatedly?
[02:57] <simplew> andol: can you provide an example?
[02:59] <andol> gpg --output $(mktemp -u) --sign /path/to/some/file
[03:00] <simplew> im asked about the password
[03:36] <simplew> andol: could you tell me again how to test if gpg-agent is working?
[03:53] <MentalPower> hi all, any known reason why dh-autoreconf would not be available on some build boxes?
[03:54] <MentalPower> https://launchpad.net/~curse-sds/+archive/ppa/+build/3981803 <--example failed build
[03:57] <wgrant> MentalPower: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dh-autoreconf
[03:57] <ScottK> MentalPower: Because dh-autoreconf wasn't introduced until after Lucid and that's a Lucid build.  Enable backports as a source for the repor.
[03:57] <wgrant> It's not available in lucid, only lucid-backports
[03:57] <ScottK> repor/repo
[03:57] <ScottK> Or what wgrant said.
[03:58] <MentalPower> pardon my ignorance, how do I add backports as the repo?
[03:59] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~curse-sds/+archive/ppa/+edit-dependencies
[03:59] <MentalPower> and add lucid-backports to that?
[03:59] <wgrant> You'll see a Backports radio button near the top
[04:00] <MentalPower> completely missed it, sorry about that
[04:01] <MentalPower> ok done, lemme retry the builds
[04:01] <wgrant> Great
[05:50] <MentalPower> thanks wgrant & ScottK :)
[05:50] <wgrant> MentalPower: It worked?
[05:50] <MentalPower> it did
[05:51] <wgrant> Excellent
[05:52] <MentalPower> next noob question, do I need to do separate debian/sources files for precise vs lucid?
[05:55] <MentalPower> nm, I found my answer https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/1371
[13:39] <thopiekar> Hi :-) why is this build not working? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/123009706/buildlog.txt.gz .. the placeholder are supported but not set into the deb-version..
[14:02] <czajkowski> mgz: jam any idea ^^^
[14:06] <mgz> czajkowski: you need someone better to ask about buildd things :)
[14:06] <czajkowski> I was told poke blues
[14:06] <czajkowski> :/
[14:07] <mgz> error seems pretty much self-explanitory though
[14:07] <mgz> BzrCommandError: deb-version not fully expanded: 1.4.2+1~{revtime}-{git-commit}-1016-pkg3. Valid substitutions are: ['{time}', '{date}', '{revno:packaging}', '{revno}', '{svn-revno:packaging}', '{svn-revno}', '{git-commit:packaging}', '{git-commit}', '{latest-tag:packaging}', '{latest-tag}', '{debversion:packaging}', '{debversion}', '{debupstream-base:packaging}', '{debupstream-base}', '{debupstream:packaging}', '{debupstream}', '{revdate:packaging
[14:08] <mgz> I say that, then I see that git-commit is in the list...
[14:09] <mgz> anyway, seems revtime and git-commit were not actually present in the packaging, so not expanded
[14:09] <mgz> so, need to use a version in the recipe without those two
[14:14] <ThomasBerends> I'm always getting time-out errors while submitting translations. Anybody knows how to solve this?
[14:14] <ThomasBerends> (None of my work is getting lost, it's just annoying)
[14:39] <zequence> I've been trying to upload to my PPA. The upload seems to be accepted, but no confirmation or error mail. Nothing seems to happen in launchpad
[14:44] <zequence> I've basically done a bugfix. I tried this workflow a few days ago https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PatchingSourcePackages
[14:46] <czajkowski> zequence: no confirmation or anyting ?
[14:46] <czajkowski> *anything
[14:54] <zequence> czajkowski: Nope. Nothing
[14:56] <czajkowski> noting in the terminal ?
[14:56] <zequence> czajkowski: It says upload was succesful
[14:57] <czajkowski> zequence: what is the name of the ppa ?
[14:58] <zequence> czajkowski: ppa:zequence/sru
[14:58] <zequence> I don't have the actual terminal output right now. Not at home right now
[14:58] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/~zequence/+archive/sru  has been created but noting there as of yet .
[14:59] <czajkowski> when mgz comes back I'll ask him to help me again
[14:59] <zequence> czajkowski: Thanks. You want me to file a bug report on this?
[14:59] <czajkowski> nope it's fine
[15:04] <mgz> zequence: <https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors#The_upload_appears_to_work_but_I_don.27t_get_any_email_about_it>
[15:05] <mgz> czajkowski: you might like to bookmark that page for when people have package upload problems
[15:07] <czajkowski> mgz: ahh thanks
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> hi, can i get some more space for https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next/ again please?
[16:21] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: sure
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[16:21] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: done
[16:21] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks!
[16:21] <mgz> czajkowski: you need to negotiate better, surely there are some pet firefox packing bugs you can bug chris about in return... :)
[16:22] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: actually to tcisk
[16:22] <czajkowski> *ticks
[16:22] <czajkowski> done
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[16:26] <czajkowski> No idea why I'm getting a timeout which is rather annoying
[18:21] <jonrafkind> has the script that cleans up ppas (relatedto bug 1071562) been re-enabled yet?


[00:50] <doctormo> Aw, cprofit's been looking for bodi for days.
[00:59] <pleia2> how goes it, doctormo?
[01:00] <doctormo> pleia2: hey!
[01:03] <doctormo> Still sick, but much better from yesterday
[01:06] <pleia2> glad you're getting better :)
[01:07] <doctormo> Hopefully this re-sore throat isn't a re-infection.
[01:12] <pleia2> I ended up with another sore throat later in my cold, but it turned out to be dehydration :)
[01:12]  * pleia2 drank gaaaaalllons of water
[01:56] <doctormo> aye
[02:08] <nigel_nb> doctormo: sorry about earlier, couldn't linger, was at work
[02:08] <doctormo> nigel_nb: np
[02:18] <nigel_nb> doctormo: what are the changes so far?
[02:18] <nigel_nb> just copy all the sections out into the main folder
[02:18] <nigel_nb> any thing else?
[02:19] <doctormo> remove the class.txt file etc
[02:19] <nigel_nb> huh?
[02:19] <nigel_nb> oh yeah, we're using scripts
[02:20] <nigel_nb> lesson plan too?
[02:24] <doctormo> yes
[02:25] <nigel_nb> I'm keeping it for some time or I'd be lost
[02:54] <nigel_nb> pleia2:  you're still game for 8 am tomorrow? ;)
[02:56] <pleia2> nigel_nb: that's the plan :)
[02:56] <pleia2> how's your branch doing? the same as doctormo's trunk version?
[02:56] <nigel_nb> updated to doctormo's new trunk version
[02:57] <nigel_nb> made the formatting changes to make it work
[02:57] <nigel_nb> made some silly versions in the old one
[02:57] <pleia2> cool
[04:35] <cprofitt> pleia2: you here?
[12:44] <pleia2> nigel_nb: good.. evening :)
[12:48] <pleia2> ok, I am looking at your branch and... where did the content go?
[13:05] <pleia2> nigel_nb: if you're still around for this, my hope during this hour is to do a kind of trial run as if I just sat down and decided to write a course
[13:06] <pleia2> so I use your docs to set up bzr, then need to know where to put what (directory structure, vital files), THEN document asciidoc basics we're using for the courses
[14:40] <nigel_nb> doctormo: ping
[14:40] <nigel_nb> how do I build the document using the new format
[14:40] <nigel_nb> I mean using the scripts..
[14:41] <doctormo> nigel_nb: pong
[14:42] <nigel_nb> doctormo: wanted to know how to build the pdf, html using the scripts
[15:13] <doctormo> nigel_nb: the render scripts are not ready yet.
[15:15] <nigel_nb> doctormo: in that case, I'm going to put the class.txt back on to test the formatting
[15:15] <doctormo> ah you want build scrpts, sorry confused
[15:15] <nigel_nb> doctormo: yeah, the build scripts
[15:15] <nigel_nb> thts ready?
[16:20] <pleia2> doctormo, nigel_nb, will you guys have time sometime this weekend for a status check on things?
[16:20]  * pleia2 working with nigel_nb right now, but needs to skip out to loco eveng
[16:21] <nigel_nb> pleia2, doctormo: today is all I have or sunday night (around the time of last meeting)
[16:21] <pleia2> maybe I just need doctormo
[16:22] <FFEMTcJ> mornin
[16:22] <pleia2> hey FFEMTcJ
[16:22] <FFEMTcJ> hey pleia2
[16:24] <FFEMTcJ> how goes?
[16:24] <pleia2> good, wrapping up some bzr stuff with nigel_nb, off to a loco event soon :)
[16:25] <FFEMTcJ> sounds fun
[16:25] <FFEMTcJ> im missing an event today:-(
[16:25] <pleia2> aw
[17:56] <cprofitt> hey hal14450
[17:58] <hal14450> lo cprofitt
[18:03] <FFEMTcJ> howdy
[19:53] <cprofitt> hey hal14450
[19:53] <cprofitt> how are ya
[19:54] <nigel_nb> popey: are you around?
[19:54] <popey> hullo
[19:55] <nigel_nb> did u get the time to review those "part" screencasts I sent you?
[19:55] <popey> nigel_nb: rapidshare says i can only download you videos if I'm a premium member
[19:56] <popey> oh, maybe not
[19:56] <popey> it just says they're busy
[19:56] <popey> I'll try again later :)
[19:56] <nigel_nb> aw no!
[19:56] <nigel_nb> time to change the host then
[20:24] <hal14450> lo cprofitt
[20:24] <hal14450> doing good thanks, you?
[23:35] <cprofitt> hello doctormo and pleia2
[23:36] <doctormo> hey there
[23:38] <cprofitt> not sure if you saw my posts or not
[23:38] <doctormo> where?
[23:39] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: what posts?
[23:39] <nigel_nb> hey doctormo :)
[23:39] <cprofitt> my blog posts...
[23:40] <nigel_nb> I dont know your blog adress :(
[23:40] <doctormo> hey nigel_nb, you should pull and merge the latest branch, then run `./builder/build.sh [section-name] [class-name]` to make a build directory with all the class.txt and other files ready to render into pdf, docbook etc
[23:40] <nigel_nb> doctormo: you're updated now?
[23:40] <nigel_nb> you've updated now?
[23:40] <cprofitt> nigel_nb: I am on the planet
[23:41] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: oh, checkin
[23:42] <doctormo> cprofitt: could you post that to the mailing list?
[23:42] <doctormo> nigel_nb: Yes, just fixed some bugs and commited everything.
[23:42] <cprofitt> post which to the list doctormo ?
[23:42] <nigel_nb> doctormo: merging
[23:42] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: I still dont see it
[23:43] <nigel_nb> cprofitt: ah,, got it
[23:45] <doctormo> cprofitt: your blog post, content, link to the ning site etc
[23:45] <cprofitt> I could... thought that may not be appropriate for the UCLP mailing list though
[23:46] <doctormo> pleia2, what do you think, I think it would be appropriate.
[23:49] <nigel_nb> doctormo: I think she's out for the LUG meeting
[23:49] <nigel_nb> should be back by now though
[23:49] <doctormo> Ah right, paultag, popey or Vetinari?
[23:50] <popey> o/
[23:50] <paultag> just leaving for Sushi
[23:50] <popey> wassup?
[23:50] <paultag> I'll BB, leave me a message :)
[23:50]  * popey is just off to bed :)
[23:57] <pleia2> am back now
[23:58] <pleia2> and yeah, I think it's appropriate
[23:59] <cprofitt> do you think we have educators on our list?


[20:54] <aedend> I've been logged into several channels for a while. I've noticed on some of them my nick was highlighted. Is there an easy way to see where I was highlighted without scrolling thru hours of buffer?
[20:59] <cyberanger> aedend: not sure in hexchat
[21:02] <aedend> cyberanger, I found this script for hexchat. It prints the highlights to a new tab. https://github.com/TingPing/plugins/blob/master/HexChat/highlight.py
[21:05] <aedend> cyberanger, btw, how did you know I was using hexchat??
[21:06] <cyberanger> lol
[21:06] <cyberanger>  /ctcp aedend version
[21:07] <aedend> cool, so you like the command line eh?
[21:07] <cyberanger> yeah
[21:07] <cyberanger> perhaps too much
[21:07] <aedend> I installed weechat, but man, so many options... I got a little overwhelmed
[21:08] <cyberanger> It's a good client
[21:09] <aedend> so is weechat the new irssi?
[21:10] <cyberanger> It's a nice client, but irssi is still in active development too
[21:10] <cyberanger> so I don't want to say it like that
[21:11] <aedend> do you use Ubuntu or do you use another distro?
[21:12] <cyberanger> Personally I use Debian Sid
[21:12] <cyberanger> with some stuff being experimental
[21:13] <aedend> so that version never really gets released then?
[21:16] <cyberanger> Yeah, it's above the releases
[21:22] <cyberanger> It gets new versions, then those versions get pushed down to testing, and again to stable
[21:24] <aedend> ah, I see
[21:29] <cyberanger> So I'm ahead of the releases
[21:30] <aedend> do you not worry about not having a stable computer to work when needed?
[21:30] <cyberanger> between that and how I barely have a UI, the ubuntu advantages vanished releases ago
[21:30] <cyberanger> No, cause I keep it stable
[21:30] <cyberanger> just not debian stable
[21:31] <cyberanger> I stay on top of my changes, rarely does that cause an isuse
[21:31] <cyberanger> issue*
[21:32] <aedend> do you use w3m or something similar for browsing the web?
[21:34] <cyberanger> I tend to keep to iceweasel
[21:34] <cyberanger> I have elinks too
[21:35] <cyberanger> HTTPS Everywhere, NoScript, AdBlock Plus and Foxyproxy Standard are my goto addons
[21:38] <aedend> why not use firefox, since they're basically the same?
[21:41] <cyberanger> It is the same, aside from the apt repository they come from, and branding
[21:41] <cyberanger> It's just part of keeping the sources.list small
[21:45] <aedend> I use privoxy, is foxyproxy basically the same thing?
[21:55] <cyberanger> No, privoxy is a seperate tool, an http proxy (and a nice one too)
[21:56] <cyberanger> foxyproxy is an addon, allows for fine grained control, I use it to tell a few URI's to go through a british proxy for the BBC iPlayer, ITV and Channel 4 too
[21:56] <cyberanger> and an Austrailian one for Channel 7
[21:57] <Unit193> cyberanger: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4196776/
[21:57] <cyberanger> And when I leave the US, to access Hulu, Pandora, Netflix and CBS from abroad
[21:58] <cyberanger> Unit193: Another Bourne movie
[21:59] <cyberanger> eh, at least it's Matt Damon again, still feels worn out though
[22:01] <cyberanger> aedend: Guessing you don't watch any foreign shows
[22:01] <Unit193> Yes, at least Matt Damon!
[22:03] <aedend> cyberanger, I don't watch much tv
[22:08] <cyberanger> aedend: I don't like I used to, but I still enjoy breaking geo filtering schemes
[22:14] <cyberanger> Just for the fun of it
[22:14] <aedend> cyberanger, when using foxyproxy, which proxy service do you use?
[22:15] <cyberanger> I tend to set my own up on VPS providers lately, and even that's starting to have issues
[22:16] <cyberanger> alot of the ip classification providers have started flagging datacenters
[22:16] <cyberanger> and hence, hulu and most of the others call them anomyous tools and block them
[22:16] <aedend> is this something I could use?  http://www.publicproxyservers.com/proxy/list1.html
[22:17] <cyberanger> pandora appears to be the most lax, and channel 7 seems to do little too, in part becuase there isn't too many providers in Australia and the issue isn't as common for them yet
[22:18] <cyberanger> Looking at it, that's a list of web proxies
[22:18] <cyberanger> https://getfoxyproxy.org/proxylists.html
[22:19] <cyberanger> http://www.xroxy.com/proxylist.htm
[23:32] <aedend> cyberanger, does using foxyproxy slow down your connection speed?
[23:41] <cyberanger> No, not on it's own
[23:42] <cyberanger> Routing my connection thru a server in Zambia, with or without foxyproxy will slow it down though