[00:40] <jcgalue> quien me ayuda un poquito con xubuntu 12.04?
[00:40] <bazhang> !es | jcgalue
[02:02] <aicasn> why does tumblerd fire off a ton of qtdemux:sink threads when i copy a video file?
[02:04] <aicasn> was very annoying. kept me from umounting the drive
[02:04] <aicasn> bad bad tumblerd
[03:18] <deitrick> why is this not default in irc?
[03:18] <Maccer> I too wonder that.
[03:19] <Unit193> Hmmm?
[03:19] <Maccer> Also, does anyone happen to know where the system-wide configurations are stored for the xfce-panel?  I want to change the color, mouseover color, and what not
[03:20] <deitrick> in -settings-settings manager ?
[03:21] <deitrick> in the menu?
[03:21] <Maccer> I tried it, couldn't find anything.
[03:21] <Maccer> Nothing on color schemes.
[03:21] <Maccer> I've also looked into greybird's theme.
[03:21] <deitrick> try hidden files in home dir
[03:23] <Maccer> There's tons.  If some one happens to know which one is responsible for the scheme, tell me
[03:23] <deitrick> in /.config/xfce maybe?
[03:24] <Maccer> Already looked there
[03:24] <deitrick> what do you want to do?
[03:24] <Maccer> Just change the color scheme.  Actually I found a background-color property...
[03:24] <Unit193> Generally it's made so each user can chose their own.
[03:25] <Maccer> I mean, I can change the panel background color, but I can't change the mouse over and other things
[03:25] <deitrick> like the theme?
[03:25] <Maccer> Kind of.  The theme has no configuration files for the panel color though
[03:26] <deitrick> you can put it as an image it says. So perhaps make an image that is the color you want.
[03:28] <Maccer> I don't understand.
[03:29] <deitrick> in the menu go to /settings/settings manager
[03:29] <deitrick> go to apperance
[03:30] <Maccer> Not sure what to find.  Nothing about the panel2's or panel color schemes in general
[03:30] <Maccer> Oh wait, maybe icons control color schemes?  Bleh
[03:33] <deitrick> wait! I figured it out. right click on panel, go to panel prefrences, then apperance. Then you can set the colour with 3 bars.
[03:33] <Maccer> No I see that, but it doesn't control the mouse over color schemes and what not. :P
[03:34] <deitrick> mouse over color schemes?
[03:34] <Maccer> When you mouse over a tabbed window for example
[03:35] <Maccer> Or the window you happen to be focused on, the tab has a different scheme
[03:35] <deitrick> I have no idea :(
[03:35] <Maccer> it's ok. <3
[03:38] <Maccer> Hrm, maybe the gtkrc is borrowing a theme style?
[03:42] <Unit193> Settings manager > Window manager
[03:45]  * Maccer shakes his head
[03:53] <Maccer> I don't understand this gtk shade property.  Is this used to blend the color with black or something?
[03:54] <Maccer> Oh well, off to the #gtk channel I go then.
[03:54] <trickyhero> good luck
[03:56] <Maccer> Won't be necessary because no one is really there anyways, lulz.
[04:09] <Maccer> Yeah gtkrc doesn't do anything to change the panel color.  I don't understand this craziness.
[04:21] <Colonel> Hey
[04:21] <Unit193> Howdy.
[04:21] <Colonel> Having trouble with an install
[04:21] <Maccer> o/
[04:21] <Colonel> my motherboard is an ASUS P8Z77-V
[04:21] <Colonel> it locks up right at the "Choose a Language" screen
[04:22] <Colonel> the machine becomes totally unresponsive
[04:22] <Colonel> I've checked the disk
[04:22] <Colonel> I've tried LiveCDs of other distrosa
[04:23] <Maccer> Yeah, looks like you're not the only one.
[04:23] <Colonel> I can boot into a Live environment, but the installer always locks up right at the start
[04:23] <Maccer> Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesn't work either?  Magic SysRQ?
[04:23] <Unit193> You could always try the alternate installer.
[04:24] <Colonel>  I'm trying it now
[04:24] <Maccer> Yeah, that's what I would suggest
[04:24] <Colonel> no dice
[04:25] <Maccer> One thing I noticed though, this isn't an amd/intel or chipset thing.  Are you using an out of the ordinary keyboard?  This is just speculation though.
[04:25] <Colonel> when I Ctrl-Alt-F1, the screen goes black and the machine locks up right away
[04:26] <Colonel> It's a wireless USB keyboard...
[04:26] <Maccer> That's the thing, when you do ctrl+alt+f1, it's supposed to open up a virtual terminal.  I guess that's indication the kernel hasn't crashed yet.
[04:26] <Maccer> Mmh... have any other keyboards at home?  (Again, pure speculation.)  Maybe the driver/kernel locks up when it tries to detect your keyboard interface
[04:26] <Colonel> It's not a CLI though. It just goes black. The HDD activity LED is on steady though
[04:27] <Colonel> I have a wired USB kb
[04:27] <Colonel> should I try that?
[04:27] <gatton> anyone have a dropbox account? i'm gonna create one and if you send me a referral we'll both get 500mb additional space
[04:27] <Unit193> I have one. :P
[04:27] <Maccer> I suppose.  Also, the ACPI driver for your chipset could be bugging.  You could add acpi=off to your installation parameters.
[04:28] <Colonel> I've been using the wireless kb/m setup to install various Linux distros for years with no incident
[04:28] <gatton> unit193 you are the winner. i'll msg you my email
[04:28] <Maccer> (You can do this I think by pressing F6 when it tries to prompt a language)
[04:28] <Colonel> Hold on... I'll try
[04:30] <Maccer> You could also try it along with nomodeset with F6 (other options)
[04:31] <Colonel> keyboard made no difference
[04:31] <Maccer> What about acpi=off in F6?
[04:31] <Colonel> it locked up even before getting to the language screen
[04:32] <Colonel> hold on... trying shutting off ACPI
[04:34] <Maccer> You could also of course come into #linux as this is obviously a lower-level problem.  Also, does your motherboard have an onboard wireless lan controller?
[04:34] <Maccer> Because your chipset is definitely supported. (Intel Z77)
[04:37] <Colonel> it appears to be working with acpi=off
[04:38] <Maccer> !
[04:38] <Colonel> what does that do, exactly?
[04:38] <Colonel> is it something to do with the video chipset?
[04:38] <Maccer> Some standardized power management interface.
[04:39] <Colonel> Hmmm... what shall I name this machine?
[04:39] <Colonel> GLaDOS?
[04:39] <Colonel> W.O.P.R.?
[04:39] <Colonel> Gibson?
[04:39] <Colonel> Wintermute?
[04:40] <Maccer> It's used for power management and device configuration.  On a desktop, it isn't necessary that you have it.  In-fact, you can probably turn it off in your motherboard BIOS.  However if this was a laptop, I'd be more worried.
[04:40] <Colonel> I didn't see an option to turn it off in the BIOS
[04:40] <Maccer> But uhh... when you install it.  You'll probably have to change your boot options to acpi=off too.  And you'll have to edit your boot menu later on.
[04:41] <Maccer> Any options related to it at all?  On my EVGA motherboard I could change the protocol compatibility.  It's ACPI isn't fully compatible with mine but it still booted.
[04:41] <Colonel> Nothing that I could see
[04:42] <Colonel> I even checked in the Power Management settings
[04:42] <Colonel> maybe I missed it
[04:42] <Colonel> I have a hackintosh here that I built, and that was an issue with getting OSX to run
[04:43] <Colonel> but that's built on a Gigabyte motherboard, not an ASUS
[04:43] <Maccer> But windows works on the computer you were having issues with?
[04:43] <Colonel> Dunno
[04:44] <Colonel> I haven't tried installing Windows on it
[04:44] <Colonel> Why the hell would I?
[04:44] <Maccer> lolidunnolulz
[04:44] <Colonel> It's a nice computer. Why mess it all up?
[04:44] <Maccer> Because you don't have ACPI enabled, I don't think you'll be able to go into sleep mode and some other power options.
[04:45] <Maccer> I don't know, hope this isn't a severe hardware problem.  On my old laptop, the ACPI bugging was a symptom of something else
[04:46] <Maccer> I'm not sure if ACPI is effected by power supplies, but it could be
[04:46] <Colonel> What exactly is the issue with ACPI?
[04:47] <Maccer> With your asus desktop?  Who knows.  Hell, I'm not even sure how you'll be able to test or debug acpi with your system locking up.  By the way, we never figured out if the magic sysrq keys worked on it...
[04:48] <Maccer> Oh well, if you want to bother.  You could ask the uhh... "experts" on linux what you can do to debug acpi on your freezing asus.
[04:48] <Colonel> Well it's going into a rack cabinet
[04:49] <Colonel> Maybe I'll just put FreeBSD/FreeNAS on it and make it my storage machine
[04:49] <Colonel> then get another mobo to build my main Linux box on
[04:50] <Maccer> Actually, speaking of which ACPI works oddly on linux for me.  I can't resume from a suspend/sleep properly.
[04:50] <Colonel> Heh
[04:50] <Colonel> I never noticed any particular problems with the sleep
[04:50] <Colonel> my machine usually just runs all the time
[04:51] <Colonel> the hard drives and monitor will shut off, but the machine never turns off
[06:57] <Maccer> So has anyone here been able to run gnomenu?
[07:12] <Maccer> Does anyone happen to know what interface is to graphically remove a ppa?
[07:12] <Maccer> Sysi?
[08:01] <ouyes> what do you think is the most valuable certificate in the information technology industry?
[08:13] <TheSheep> root certificate for ssl
[08:16] <TheSheep> Maccer: system -> software sources
[08:17] <Maccer> TheSheep:  Sorry, I should have said that I got it working.  It was removed for some reason and I asked out of heavy frustration, lol.
[08:17] <TheSheep> you can also go to synaptic and remove it from there
[08:18] <TheSheep> from settings->repositories
[11:36] <shuerhaaken> Hi all! Standard ubuntu seems to refuse to use the "org.freedesktop.thumbnails.Thumbnailer1" dbus interface of the thumbnailing standard. Does anybody know what they are using for thumbnailing instead of tumbler? Seems I can't get a reply on other ubuntu channels.
[13:25] <deitrick> Guys, schouldn't we have a gui firewall utility installed by default? I just realized my ports were all open and got one.
[13:27] <Sysi> firewall is basically useless, can't do anythong with ports that don't have anything listening and the ones that have need to be open anyway
[13:27] <Pici> Despite all ports being open by default, there isn't anything listening on those ports.
[13:28] <deitrick> ok. so its fine to not have a firewall, thats good.
[21:16] <aguitel> how install somthing like alacarte in xfce ?
[21:30] <David-A> aguitel: if i recall correctly, nothing like alacarte in xfce, but you can choose two different sessions at login that gives two different menu structures
[21:32] <aguitel> i have only one session in login
[21:34] <drc> alacarte, the GNOME menu editor?  What's wrong with Main Menu ?
[21:36] <David-A> aguitel: in login screen should be an option "xfce session" or "xubuntu session"
[21:38] <aguitel> David-A, ok
[21:40] <Unit193> drc: Same thing, actually, and that's only in 12.10, right?
[21:41] <Unit193> alacarte works in xubuntu, just need --no-install-recommends and need to pull in something that's listed aws rec but is a dep.
[21:52] <David-A> aguitel: in xubuntu 12.04 alacarte works and installed by default, settings>main menu, or rightclick menu>properties>edit menu


[00:00] <bdrung> asac___: what was the command for sign-off/releasing?
[00:00] <asac___> fta: the bug sounds ...
[00:01] <asac___> fta: so yeah. when i am back from holiday i will try to get that in
[00:01] <fta> asac___, "No, Debian's fine. This is only in Ubuntu."
[00:01] <asac___> fta: run-mailcap.diff comes from debian
[00:01] <asac___> whether they are fine or not is nothing i said ;)
[00:01] <fta> it's the last comment in the bug
[00:02] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=19987
[00:03] <fta> asac___, ^^ we have a sync from debian so i don't understand
[00:03] <asac___> yes
[00:04] <asac___> commented
[00:10] <asac> fta: anyway. i think the xdg-mime > mailcup-run > BROWSER approach is something worth considering; one would have to do some research though how that is behaving in non DE environments etc.
[00:10] <asac> but most likely its just the right approach to do both
[00:17] <fta> ok
[00:18] <bdrung> asac: https://code.launchpad.net/~bdrung/mozilla-devscripts/version-0.15/+merge/10558
[00:18] <bdrung> asac: i removed the 0.15 tag
[00:22] <fta> asac, isn't "foo Depends bar (= ${binary:Version})" enough to make sure that foo and bar are always in sync? (foo is arch, bar is all-arch)
[00:29] <fta> hm, if amd64 is built 1st, a user can upgrade the browser without the lang packs still waiting for the i386 build to complete.. i should add a conflict there
[00:35] <bdrung> asac: also uploaded to mentors: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla-devscripts/mozilla-devscripts_0.15.dsc
[00:49] <asac> fta: i think thats not always the case
[00:49] <asac> think about you depending on a arch all package from a any package
[00:49] <asac> and you do a binary NMU ... the arch package would not be updated most likely
[00:50] <asac> bdrung: so pull does not work ;)
[00:51] <asac> let me try to branch locally first ;)
[00:51] <bdrung> pull does not work?
[00:52] <asac> not in a bound branch
[00:52] <asac> i did pull --local now
[00:52] <asac> launchpad seems to be problematic ;)
[00:52] <asac> now trying to push ;)
[00:52] <asac> ok that worked
[00:53] <asac> maybe bzr now opens concurrent connections when pulling multiple revisions into a bound branch
[00:57] <fta> asac, bin nmu, looks like debian to me
[00:58] <asac> yes
[00:58] <asac> but we use the same techniques in most cases
[00:58] <asac> at lesat if someone ask: "is this enough ..." ;)
[00:58] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=19694
[00:59] <fta> i have: chromium-browser-l10n depends on chromium-browser (= ${binary:Version})
[01:00] <asac> bdrung: uploaded
[01:00] <fta> even if the bug doesn't look ubuntu to me, i realize now I have a race, so i need a conflict, or a break in chromium-browser
[01:00] <fta> or something
[01:00] <bdrung> thanks
[01:01] <fta> (imho, you're releasing m-d too fast)
[01:01] <asac> fta: i wanted to get this up before holiday ;)
[01:01] <asac> ... also ... release fast and often ;)
[01:02] <asac> and both debian and ubuntu ard not yet approaching release ;)
[01:02] <micahg> asac: I introduced myself to the Developers :)
[01:02] <asac> hehe
[01:03] <asac> micahg: seems they like you ;)
[01:04] <fta> asac, so?
[01:04] <micahg> asac: I think I can reproduce the bug in Jaunty
[01:04] <micahg> at least part of it
[01:04] <asac> good
[01:04] <asac> so we can rule that out
[01:05] <asac> fta: on what?
[01:05] <asac> the depends?
[01:05] <fta> yes
[01:05] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/257233/ that's today
[01:05] <fta> it seems to me -l10n could be out of sync
[01:06] <asac> fta: what do you think is the problem of the bug?
[01:06] <asac> the packages not being forced to the right version?
[01:06] <fta> the l10n not from the same build as the browser
[01:06] <asac> ok you think they could be. let me see
[01:08] <asac> fta: is anything run during post/pre scripts?
[01:08] <asac> some l10n processing/compilation maybe or so?
[01:08] <fta> no
[01:09] <asac> then the depends should be enough imo
[01:09] <fta> what if the amd/lpia builds are done 1st, and a user upgrade?
[01:09] <asac> fta: maybe its unclear how to grab the right sources? so you dont have the right translations in the source?
[01:10] <fta> no, the l10n files (which are in fact .grd files) are generated during the build
[01:10] <asac> were from?
[01:10] <asac> are the translations in the same directory as the code that uses them?
[01:10] <fta> yes
[01:10] <asac> really?
[01:11] <asac> so i have main.c
[01:11] <asac> and then i have main.c.grd ?
[01:11] <fta> no
[01:11] <asac> and then i have main.c.grd.fr .en .es ;) ?
[01:11] <asac> yeah
[01:11] <fta> eg http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/app/resources/locale_settings.grd
[01:12] <asac> <output filename="locale_settings_ar.rc" type="rc_all" lang="ar" />
[01:12] <fta> or http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/browser_resources.grd
[01:12] <asac> where is the input file?
[01:12] <asac> there are no translated strings either
[01:13] <asac> hmm there seem to be <message elements
[01:13] <asac> but those dont look like the translations
[01:13] <asac> rather like the "default/fallback"
[01:13] <asac> fta: i wouldnt add the breaks t the l10n package
[01:14] <asac> the depends alone should prevent it from upgrading chrome-browser without removing -l10n
[01:14] <fta> http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/app/resources/google_chrome_strings_de.xtb
[01:15] <asac> ok
[01:15] <asac> i dont know. in worst case its a bug in lzma ;)
[01:15] <asac> lol
[01:15] <asac> or the sources were really not in
[01:15] <asac> sync
[01:16] <asac> Breaks: chromium-browser (<< <IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090804r22432)
[01:16] <asac> Replaces: chromium-browser
[01:16] <asac> do you need this unversioned replaces?
[01:17] <fta> hm, it was when i split the package
[01:17] <asac> yeah since you maintain everything from same branch you can just make it versioned
[01:17] <asac> << WHATEVERVERSIONYOUDIDTHEMIGRATION
[01:18] <asac> anyway. i would hope thats not the problem (though you should consider it)
[01:18] <fta> so the same as the breaks
[01:18] <asac> so i would triple check that the sources i used are really what they expect them to be and ask the submitter to submit information about package verions etc.
[01:19] <fta> eh?
[01:19] <asac> how sure are you that the strings that are wrong for the french guy were/are really right in the sources?
[01:19] <asac> identifying how those are different might help
[01:19] <asac> if they are really daily changes then it might be a pointer to investigate further ;)
[01:20] <fta> he pasted rpm with 2 different versions
[01:20] <fta> the rpm seems to be repacks from my debs
[01:20] <fta> -s
[01:20] <asac> yeah so an eventual version diff because of arch all/any can be ruled out
[01:20] <asac> which probably mean that the packaging is maybe missing some pieces?
[01:21] <asac> fta: try to force the same dailies
[01:21] <asac> and see if it works
[01:21] <asac> if thats the case then its upstream out-of-sync issue
[01:21] <asac> which i would think is a likely thing for dailies from trunk ;)
[01:21] <asac> but i dont know upstream translation polices ... nor do i see from the bug how many strings are wrong
[01:21] <fta> i never experienced this bug myself, i was just trying to figure out if it can happen
[01:22] <asac> great. i cannot open pngs directly there
[01:23] <asac> fta: what does the text mean that is in lowest thign?
[01:23] <asac> that seems to explode the window
[01:23] <asac> that big button (greyed out)
[01:24] <asac> avez choisi d'ouvrir automatiquement certain types de fichier ...
[01:24] <asac> how is "Desktop" called on french desktops?
[01:24] <asac> if you install it as french from scratch i mean
[01:25] <asac> do we translate that=
[01:25] <asac> hmm. they use Download ;)
[01:25] <asac> but still ... maybe it has something to do with how the french dir name is named
[01:27] <fta> Desktop is Bureau in french
[01:28] <fta> from what i understand, the guy said langpack generated with one build are not usable in another build
[01:29] <fta> but no idea if that's correct
[01:29] <asac> fta: what do they produce?
[01:29] <asac> can you check if you can find this overly long string somewhere?
[01:30] <asac> i doubt that its in the source
[01:30] <fta> $ file /usr/lib/chromium-browser/locales/fr.pak
[01:30] <fta> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/locales/fr.pak: data
[01:30] <asac> looks like a mixup
[01:30] <fta> comment 4 shows:
[01:30] <fta> $ rpm -q chromium-browser chromium-browser-l10n
[01:30] <fta> chromium-browser-<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090818r23670-1.i386
[01:30] <fta> chromium-browser-l10n-<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20090813r23308-1.noarch
[01:31] <fta> so it's not the same upstream version
[01:31] <fta> i have no difficulty to understand that it may give bad results
[01:31] <asac> yes
[01:31] <asac> it obviously doesnt break if strings are still ok
[01:32] <asac> question is if out of sync translations often break it
[01:32] <fta> in #10, he said "OK, it's OK if both program & l10n data are synced, aka the same SVN rev."
[01:32] <asac> i would hope not
[01:32] <asac> otherwise they are doing something wrong
[01:32] <asac> everything worse than gettext would be a step back
[01:32] <fta> he's doing weird stuff with the package, not our problem, but could we have the same situation with the PPA?
[01:32] <asac> fta: i really think you should just verify this reall ylong string. maybe its easy to see once you see how and wher that is typed ;)
[01:33] <asac> fta: no
[01:33] <asac> we are synched
[01:33] <asac> the depends should be enough imo
[01:33] <asac> you need conflicts/replaces only to transition stuff
[01:34] <fta> $ find . -print0 | xargs -0 grep 'ouvrir automatiquement certains types'
[01:34] <fta> ./src/chrome/app/resources/generated_resources_fr.xtb:<translation id="724208122063442954">Vous avez choisi d'ouvrir automatiquement certains types de fichiers après leur téléchargement. Vous pouvez changer ces paramètres afin que les fichiers téléchargés ne s'ouvrent pas automatiquement.</translation>
[01:34] <asac> yeah
[01:35] <asac> so question is where that is coming from
[01:35] <asac> check the template used
[01:35] <fta> $ find . -print0 | xargs -0 grep<PHONE_NUMBER>63442954 | pastebinit
[01:35] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/257247/
[01:35] <asac> yeah
[01:35] <asac> fta: whats the english text for that?
[01:35] <asac> in the source?
[01:35] <asac> oh those are generated
[01:35] <asac> is there a similar entry in source?
[01:36] <fta> this is from a tarball, not from a build
[01:36] <asac> ok and the english id?
[01:37] <asac> thats not english ;)
[01:37] <asac> oops
[01:37] <asac> i scrolled up ;)
[01:38] <fta>       <message name="IDS_OPTIONS_AUTOOPENFILETYPES_INFO" desc="The information label for the 'Reset always open files' button">
[01:38] <fta>         You have chosen to open certain file types automatically after downloading. You can clear these settings so that downloaded files don't open automatically.
[01:38] <fta>       </message>
[01:39] <asac> yeah. but somehoe the english text in teh screenshot is a different string
[01:39] <asac> so the ids have a mismatch
[01:39] <asac> means: they are out of sync in the tree i guess
[01:39] <asac> i guess the real string is a few before or after ;)
[01:40] <fta> those<PHONE_NUMBER>63442954 numbers are coming from somewhere, but no idea from where
[01:40] <asac> where is IDS_OPTIONS_AUTOOPENFILETYPES_INFO mapped to<PHONE_NUMBER>63442954
[01:40] <asac> fta: i guess they make up  a number by a scheme or something
[01:40] <asac> check whatelse is in the proximity of IDS_OPTIONS_AUTOOPENFILETYPES_INFO
[01:40] <asac> or find the string you see in the english screenshot
[01:41] <asac> the IDS_OPTIONS_AUTOOPENFILETYPES_INFO is probably in the proximity there
[01:41] <fta> http://codereview.chromium.org/165209
[01:41] <asac> there is not the file i care most
[01:41] <asac> the one where the IDS_OPTIONS_AUTOOPENFILETYPES_INFO was in
[01:42] <asac>  (Patch set is too large to download)
[01:42] <asac> i dont see that file
[01:42] <asac> http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/app/resources/
[01:42] <asac> its not there
[01:43] <asac> http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/chrome/app/chromium_strings.grd?view=markup
[01:43] <asac> okm
[01:43] <asac> <message name="IDS_OPTIONS_DOWNLOADLOCATION_ASKFORSAVELOCATION" desc="The 'Ask for save location before downloading' checkbox label">
[01:43] <asac>         Ask where to save each file before downloading
[01:43] <asac>       </message>
[01:43] <asac>       <message name="IDS_OPTIONS_AUTOOPENFILETYPES_INFO" desc="The inform
[01:44] <asac> isnt the one above the one that is in the dialog in english?
[01:44] <asac> ok not
[01:46] <asac> IDS_FR_CUSTOMIZE_DEFAULT_BROWSER
[01:46] <asac> so yesw
[01:46] <asac> cant say more
[01:46] <asac> execpt that its a out of sync ID
[01:46] <asac> maybe its because chrome_strings and chromium_strings are out of date?
[01:46] <asac> out of sync
[01:47] <asac> with some luck its fixed next time they sync locales ;))
[01:47] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/257255/
[01:47] <fta> ?
[01:47] <asac> should be ok
[01:48] <asac> i dont think you need the breaks because of the depends
[01:48] <asac> buit tahts in the past anyway
[01:48] <asac> i would drop those things if nothing was ever released to real archives
[01:48] <asac> at least after a while
[01:52] <fta> hm
[02:28] <fta> jcastro, lol, a browser popcon ;) the comments were not at all what you expected, i guess
[02:29] <jcastro> heh
[02:31] <fta> jcastro, i think what he meant at the beginning is that as PPAs are not mirrored, someone from lp/cannonical should have the real numbers, just grep the logs
[02:31] <jcastro> yeah but I don't
[02:31] <fta> i's sure want to know too ;)
[02:31] <fta> 'd
[02:38] <fta> bug 139855
[09:19] <andv> good morning asac
[09:19] <andv> you disappeared yesterday evening :)
[10:50] <BUGabundo> does mozilla fennec run on android?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[17:15] <BUGabundo> tell me you are around :)
[18:50] <fta> hi
[18:50] <BUGabundo> ola fta
[18:51] <fta> BUGabundo, he's on holidays for a week
[18:51] <BUGabundo> bahhhhh
[18:52] <BUGabundo> who is going to help me now :(
[18:52] <fta> good time to learn by yourself :)
[18:52] <fta> like we do ;)
[18:53] <fta> fennec on android, no way, unless android now allows native apps
[18:53] <BUGabundo> fta: took me *one* year to figure that NM could _easily_ share a connection, to find out today, I can't make it work out of the box on a jaunty livecd :(
[18:53] <BUGabundo> fta: it doesn't
[18:54] <BUGabundo> but I read on the ML (thanks to google)
[18:54] <BUGabundo> that someone is porting it to the SDK
[18:54] <fta> then it's a full rewrite, not a port
[18:54] <BUGabundo> I really would appreciate if you could ping me.... I loose all your replies :)
[18:55] <fta> grrr, use a real irc client
[18:58] <BUGabundo> for what?
[18:58] <BUGabundo> I can very easily read all the channel blober
[18:58] <BUGabundo> I just get a faster notification if you, fta, nick me :)
[18:59] <BUGabundo> don't want, don't do it
[18:59] <BUGabundo> be FREE
[19:00] <fta> BUGabundo, it's just not natural to me once a discussion has started, and there's no interference
[19:00] <BUGabundo> ok ok
[22:17] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: how about guessing the files for MOZ_XPI_DOCUMENTED_LICENSE_FILES if this variable is not set?
[23:04] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: I think that sounds good, and should be easy. we could find the files with find command and set the M_X_D_L_F. is that what you had in mind?
[23:05] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: yes. here is what is needed: MOZ_XPI_DOCUMENTED_LICENSE_FILES ?= $(strip $(shell for f in COPYING LICENSE; do if test -f $$f; then echo $$f; fi; done))
[23:07] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: I think we cannot limit to those two. We need to include subdirectories, and there might be variations (for example license.txt, or something similar)
[23:08] <Jazzva_> maybe to replace with
[23:08] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: ok, license.txt should be added.
[23:08] <bdrung_> but subdirectories?
[23:09] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: I saw those cases :). weave or ubiquity has something like that. It uses some code, not written by the upstream team itself, and they ship license files with that code in subdirectories
[23:09] <bdrung_> i think we should check the common names
[23:09] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: I agree with that. those three would be just fine, but I think we should also check the subdirectories...
[23:10] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: ok, then i transform it into a find command
[23:10] <Jazzva_> for f in `find . -name {file1,file2}` ; do echo $$f ; done
[23:10] <Jazzva_> yeah :)
[23:12] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: find -iname copying -o -iname 'license*'
[23:12] <bdrung_> that should do it
[23:13] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: ok. if you want, you can add that.
[23:14] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: or sould we check for 'licence*', too?
[23:16] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: ok. but maybe we should use the * wildcard. some other extension might use a  file named licenseCheck.js. so, let's restrict to licen{s,c}e{,.txt}
[23:16] <Jazzva_> s/should/shouldn't/
[23:18] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: yes, that's better. the command looks now like: find * -iname copying -o -iname licen[sc]e -o -iname licen[se]e.txt
[23:21] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: I think that's ok. just replace [se] in the last part with [sc] :)
[23:21] <bdrung_> ups, yes :)
[23:30] <bdrung_> Jazzva_: here you are: https://code.launchpad.net/~bdrung/mozilla-devscripts/mxdlf
[23:32] <Jazzva_> bdrung_: brb, phone


[00:07] <blackmoon105> hi, i've a problem with uploaad in my personal package archive: "Unable to find package_0.0.1.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution." even if the source is present in the same directory of *.changes. Can you help me?
[00:19] <cody-somerville> blackmoon105, debuild -S -sa
[00:20] <blackmoon105> cody-somerville: ok, thanks now i try with -sa
[00:26] <blackmoon105> cody-somerville: now it work, thanks
[00:27] <cody-somerville> np
[00:59] <Hobbsee> Hey all.  Why in long bugs do we only see the top 80 comments?  Often, people want to see updates on the bugs - so perhaps the first 40, the message, and then last 40 would be good?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> gmb: any idea why it's done that way?
[01:02] <nhandler> Hobbsee: That would make it difficult to follow the the comments.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> nhandler: it would?  Why?
[01:05] <nhandler> Hobbsee: If I am looking at a bug for the first time which has > 80 comments, I would be seeing the first 40 comments, and then it would jump to the last 40. This is fine if I just want to see what the bug is about and the current status, but what if I want to see the stuff that happened in between?
[01:06] <nhandler> The current way of handling it would allow me to just go through the comments in order and follow the entire history of the bug
[01:06] <Hobbsee> nhandler: no, i'm saying "move the box that's normally at the end, to the middle"
[01:06] <Hobbsee> then it will be obvious
[01:07] <Hobbsee> indeed, if you want to load all 102 comments, to see what the most recent updates on the bug are.
[01:07] <nhandler> What box at the end? I thought it was just a link, or did they update it again
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Displaying first 80 comments.  View all 102 comments or add a comment.
[01:08] <Hobbsee> in a box with a big (i)
[01:09] <nhandler> Yeah, I don't think that was there the last time I looked at a big bug. One advantage to having it at the end is that it is easy to jump to the bottom of a page. It isn't so easy to jump to the middle
[01:09] <Hobbsee> (might be only on edge yet)
[01:10]  * nhandler runs edge
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hmm, that's true.  it's easy to get there, but requires 2 page loads for something i'd think is fairly common
[01:12] <cody-somerville> Hobbsee, I think they're planning to make it ajaxy
[01:50] <maxb> Wanting to see the last comment on a bug is surely the common case?
[02:34] <MTecknology> kiko: hrm... i getted forgetten? :P
[02:39] <maxb> Hi, has there been any movement on the question of how to handle Packages-arch-specific for Soyuz recently?
[02:39]  * maxb has a list of packages that are outdate in jaunty owing to being P-a-s-masked
[02:40] <maxb> and is wondering whether to start filing bugs on each one
[06:56]  * beuno puts on his mpt hat
[06:56] <beuno> goooooood morning Launchpad(ers)
[07:00] <spm> :-D
[07:01] <beuno> man, I know I'm in a weird timezone when spm is around during my day
[07:01] <beuno> hi spm   :)
[07:01] <spm> hey beuno! ah, it's only 6pm here, so not that late yet. :-)
[07:03] <beuno> spm, but it's Thu?
[07:03] <spm> beuno: yup
[07:03] <beuno> ok, slightly saner then
[07:04]  * wgrant joins the party.
[07:04] <beuno> hey hey wgrant
[07:04] <beuno> how's it going?
[07:04] <wgrant> Pretty busy with uni, but otherwise good.
[07:04] <wgrant> Where are you at the moment?
[07:05] <beuno> lovely Cape Town, South Africa
[07:05] <wgrant> Aha.
[07:05] <wgrant> Which sprint is it this time?
[07:06] <beuno> "Take over the world with amazing User Experience" sprint
[07:07] <spm> beuno: amusingly, I was just about to suggest "Conquer the World"
[07:07] <wgrant> Of the non-Launchpaddy type with the motto "let's be as disconnected and alienating as possible"?
[07:08] <beuno> spm, conquer sounds hard. Taking over is less of a hassle
[07:08] <spm> pedantical. alive and well. :-D
[07:08] <wgrant> Heh.
[07:33] <thumper> beuno: want to head home via NZ?
[07:33] <thumper> :)
[07:36]  * wgrant wasn't aware that beuno ever got home.
[07:36] <spm> "where ever I lay my hat... that's my home..."
[07:37]  * beuno hides from thumper
[07:37] <jamesh> new zealand is a friendly country, so not too bad a choice
[07:37] <jamesh> they won't try to fingerprint you
[07:37] <jamesh> or at least they haven't started doing so :)
[07:37] <thumper> beuno: c'mon, it'll be fun, good food, good hacking, lots of wine :)
[07:37]  * wgrant looks intimidatingly over the Tasman.
[07:38] <mwhudson> it's not exactly in between south africa and south america though
[07:38] <jamesh> and you probably won't run into any genetically engineered killer sheep
[07:38] <mwhudson> unless you go the long way around i guess
[07:38] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah it is
[07:38] <thumper> mwhudson: well, sure
[07:38] <spm> mwhudson: just directly over antarctica!
[07:38] <mwhudson> hah
[07:38] <thumper> a literal skip across the ocean
[07:38] <beuno> thumper, I'm sure it will be fun, I'm trying to cut down on fun
[07:38] <spm> think 'world == ball' vs flat map :-)
[07:38] <beuno> but we can chat more next week when I'm back home
[07:39] <thumper> home is overrated
[07:39] <thumper> unless it is mine
[07:39]  * spm was waiting for it...
[07:39] <jamesh> given that south africa is half way to Brazil for me, it probably wouldn't make sense to go from SA -> Argentina via NZ
[07:40] <jamesh> you should probably watch http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/ before going to NZ though
[07:40]  * beuno hides better
[07:40] <thumper> haha
[07:40] <thumper> that was a funny bad movie
[07:40] <spm> Black Sheep. my guess that was the movie linked to was right :-D I thought that was a spoof at first!
[07:41] <jamesh> it wasn't that bad
[07:41] <spm> better than killer tomatoes?
[07:42] <jamesh> haven't seen that one
[07:42] <spm> don't lose 90 mins of your life then :-)
[07:42] <mwhudson> come on
[07:42] <mwhudson> how many other films feature genetically engineered killer sheep?
[07:42] <spm> ok. the library scene was a classic. "To Maa Toe"
[07:43] <mwhudson> jamesh: maybe eagle vs shark would be more useful advice?
[07:43] <jamesh> I'm still looking forward to watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0910904/ even though it probably won't be that great
[07:43] <mwhudson> jamesh: haha
[07:46] <spm> jamesh: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080391/  but don't say I didn't warn you how bad it is. so bad a scare movie it's amusing, bad.
[07:47] <wgrant> spm: W. T. F.
[07:48] <spm> wgrant: it's easy. killer tomatoes eat everybody. plot begin and end right there :-)
[07:48] <wgrant> spm: Complex!
[07:50] <spm> wgrant: it had it's moments. The scene where the master of disguise, disguised as a tomato, is sitting round the fire eating humans with the other tomato's; turns to the one to his left and asks to be passed the Ketchup. Classic humour. ;-)
[07:51] <spm> Mind you... I think it was about 25 years ago when I saw it - mid 80's; so memory has faded on how bad it was....
[07:54] <spm> ha. they even have that line in the outed quotes page at imdb.
[07:55] <spiv> spm: one of the monster types in a C64 game I used to play were Killer Tomatoes
[07:56] <spm> spiv: that has just totally made my day! seriously! :-)
[07:56] <spiv> spm: the sprite was a big round red tomato with a little pistol
[07:56] <spm> Ha!
[07:56] <spiv> spm: it was Temple of Apshai, or something.
[07:56] <spm> don't know that one, sadly
[07:56] <spiv> Actually, no, it was the expansion pack for that...
[07:57]  * spm wonders how codebrowse would go on a C64... >:)
[07:58] <spm>  /usr/bin/python2.4 1.1Mb in size == badly.
[07:59] <jamesh> spm: so you might need to add an MMU and virtual memory ..
[07:59] <jamesh> or maybe you just need some form of bank switching
[08:00] <spm> the C64 already has that one.
[08:00]  * jamesh never had a C64
[08:00] <spm> you could poke "ROM", and it would wactually write to the RAM underneath. Allowed for some... "interesting" tricks.
[08:01] <spm> it had the full 64K of Ram, but, yeah, you had to switch stuff around to get access to it.
[08:02] <spm> tbh. the nicest thing about past reminiscing, is that it's the *past*. :-)
[08:05] <jml> anyway, I think beuno is coming to Sydney
[08:05] <jml> or I'm visiting him in BA -- it's all a bit unclear.
[08:05] <kiko> you know what I say about the girls in BA
[08:06] <beuno> BA FTW!
[09:05] <henninge> 02:39	maxb	Hi, has there been any movement on the question of how to handle Packages-arch-specific for Soyuz recently?
[09:06] <henninge> maxb: No, the soyuz team is still thinking about it.
[09:06] <wgrant> It's getting pretty late for that
[09:07] <kiko> why do you say that?
[09:07] <wgrant> We release in a month.
[09:07] <wgrant> And this has been going on for a while...
[09:07] <kiko> what's the problem?
[09:07] <kiko> is there a specific bug that needs fixing?
[09:08] <henninge> wgrant: were you referring to my answer to maxb?
[09:08] <wgrant> Probably bug #311952
[09:08] <wgrant> Which is targetted to 2.2.3, I see. Good.
[09:08] <wgrant> henninge: Yes.
[09:08] <kiko> wow, that sounds like an old bug
[09:09] <henninge> wgrant: I just relayed what bigjools told me ... :)
[09:09] <wgrant> henninge: Why is relaying necessary?
[09:09] <bigjools> it will get looked at soon
[09:09] <henninge> wgrant: see, now he's fully awake ... ;-)
[09:10] <wgrant> bigjools: Good to hear.
[09:11] <bigjools> I'm still on my first cup of coffee!
[09:11] <thumper> kiko: were you going to call?
[09:11] <bigjools> wgrant: as you noted, it's in 2.2.3
[09:11] <kiko> thumper, I need to chat with muharem first
[09:11] <wgrant> bigjools: The solution is to never sleep!
[09:11] <thumper> kiko: ok, it is 22:11 now
[09:12] <bigjools> wgrant: unfortunately my wife wouldn't be too happy about that :)
[09:12] <al-maisan> wgrant: that solution becomes less viable the longer it drags on ;)
[09:12] <wgrant> al-maisan: Hm, perhaps.
[09:13] <kiko> thumper, let's leave it for your morning then, I'm happy to ring you in 8h
[09:13] <wgrant> al-maisan: How're archive rebuilds coming along?
[09:13] <wgrant> I was hoping I wouldn't have to organise any this late in Jaunty :(
[09:13] <domas> hello! where can I find wiki or other document management functionality, to have bigger descriptions of things for blueprints?
[09:14] <domas> =)
[09:15] <beuno> domas, is this for Ubuntu?  if it is, you can use: wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <domas> nope, just a launchpad-hosted project
[09:15] <al-maisan> wgrant: re. the archive rebuilds .. the core functionality is there but initiating a rebuild is not exposed through the web application yet.
[09:15] <beuno> if not, any other place you'd like, we don't currently provide wikis, although we'd like to in the near-ish future
[09:16] <wgrant> al-maisan: And I suppose the new slave scanner and pooled buildds would make them a lot more efficient?
[09:17] <wgrant> == more plausible
[09:17] <al-maisan> wgrant: the recent build farm management improvements (particularly the improved build dispatch throughput) are of general benefit
[09:18] <thumper> kiko: cool
[09:19] <al-maisan> wgrant: rebuilds will result in more build activity, build dispatch throughput improvements are kind of important :)
[09:19] <kiko> thumper, call with mark on monday 9:00 UTC
[09:19] <kiko> am
[09:19] <kiko> so 6am for me
[09:19] <al-maisan> kiko: 7 am?
[09:19] <thumper> kiko: ack
[09:20] <bigjools> wgrant: new slave scanner == ~25m less per scan of the whole build farm
[09:20] <kiko> al-maisan, dialing now
[09:20] <al-maisan> OK
[09:22] <wgrant> bigjools: 25 minutes!? Out of how long? I didn't think it could be that bad...
[09:23] <bigjools> wgrant: ~29 -> ~4
[09:23] <bigjools> I'll blog about it when I get more accurate figures
[09:23] <domas> beuno: damnit. thats what one gets for running biggest wiki on the interweb, no personal/project wiki :(
[09:23] <wgrant> bigjools: That's quite an impressive improvement.
[09:24] <bigjools> wgrant: indeed - the old scanner did not scale *at all*
[09:26] <beuno> domas, which project is this?
[09:27] <domas> beuno: my personal is 'mydumper' ;-)
[09:27] <domas> beuno: I'm working on wikipedia in spare time too, though
[09:29] <beuno> domas, ah, interesting. So you already have a wiki!  ;)
[09:30] <domas> haha, could use mysql forge wiki :)
[09:30] <beuno> domas, do you use bzr?
[09:30] <domas> I'd like it to be self-contained
[09:30] <domas> beuno: yup!
[09:30] <domas> though "you" can mean three different entities :)
[09:30] <beuno> it's pretty high on our list, having a wiki
[09:31] <beuno> bzr-backed and everything
[09:31] <domas> mysql is bzr, I personally use bzr, wikipedia is still mostly SVN
[09:31] <beuno> domas, it's odd that a project like wikipedia wouldn't have moved to DVCS yet
[09:31] <domas> beuno: there're not that many developers, though
[09:32] <domas> and we still remember the pain of switching from CVS
[09:32] <domas> we were the sourceforge beta customer back then :)
[09:33] <beuno> domas, you *could* have a mirror of wikipedia's SVN on Launchpad, and use bzr  ;)
[09:34] <wgrant> beuno: Unfortunately that's not too useful until LP uses bzr-svn :(
[09:35] <beuno> wgrant, we're getting there
[09:35] <beuno> thumper_laptop, has lots of secret plans
[09:36] <wgrant> Excellent! Then I can turn off my cron job and blame somebody else when it breaks.
[09:38] <beuno> and, don't tell anyone, git imports as well
[09:38] <wgrant> That's not going to make you too popular, I'm afraid.
[09:39] <beuno> being popular is overrated
[09:39] <dholbach> could it be that loggerhead/codebrowse is unhappy atm?
[09:40] <wgrant> It's going to get rid of any people who might be holding out for LP to provide git hosting, even though you've repeatedly said it's not going to happen.
[09:40] <elmo> dholbach: yes.  bounced
[09:40] <dholbach> elmo: gracias!
[09:41] <beuno> wgrant, setting people's expectations right is a good thing
[09:41] <beuno> herb, spm, is codebrowse slacking off again?
[09:41] <beuno> ah
[09:41] <beuno> taken care of
[09:42] <wgrant> beuno: Oh yes, I'm not saying it's not a good thing.
[10:44] <wgrant> You know, I actually quite like that shortlist() bug. It means Ubuntu bug-related pages are sanely sized again.
[10:47] <intellectronica> wgrant: heh, yes, but it would be better if it was shortlisted after sorting by popularity rather than alphabetically :)
[10:47] <wgrant> intellectronica: Certainly.
[10:48] <wgrant> I see that your official tag stuff will resolve this in a somewhat more useful way.
[10:48] <intellectronica> wgrant: anyway, this is going to be sorted this cycle, since we're introducing official tags
[10:48] <intellectronica> exactly
[10:49] <wgrant> intellectronica: What was shortlist meant to do? It certainly didn't make them very short before...
[10:50] <intellectronica> wgrant: the original implementation was more a facility for the developer - it issued warnings when the list got too long, but didn't actually truncate it
[10:50] <wgrant> intellectronica: Aha.
[11:45] <wgrant> noodles775: Putting the archive secret in the username spot seems like a seriously bad idea. Things are more likely to censor the password than the username.
[11:46] <noodles775> wgrant: it was more that the username is useless in this case... bigjools ^^^
[11:46] <noodles775> (well, almost useless information)
[11:46] <wgrant> noodles775: Right, but I think it might still be useful to have in there.
[11:46] <bigjools> it's not useful
[11:46] <wgrant> If on a shared system I have a P3A installed, I probably want to know how I can reissue the token.
[11:47] <noodles775> wgrant: yep, that'll be possible through the UI - LP knows which token corresponds to which user...
[11:48] <noodles775> but I'm not sure I'm understanding your concern...
[11:48] <wgrant> noodles775: It isn't possible, because I don't own the P3A and don't know whose account was used to create the token.
[11:49] <wgrant> It may not be obviously useful to have the username there, but putting something secret in a non-secret place for no good reason doesn't seem like a good idea.
[11:50] <noodles775> wgrant: perhaps... the only 'good reason' I think was to simplify the deb url...
[11:50] <wgrant> If I looked at that, I would think it was a mistake.
[12:07] <IntuitiveNipple> danilos: jtv: ping ?
[12:10] <jtv> IntuitiveNipple: both in call
[12:11] <jtv> IntuitiveNipple: urgent?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> quick one:  I've had a bunch of emails confirming I'd uploaded gnome-screensaver translations - but I never did!
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe we can come bakc ot it once you're free?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> s/bakc ot/back to/
[12:19]  * henninge lunches
[12:20] <danilos> IntuitiveNipple: did you not upload an Ubuntu package?
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> No, and even stranger the emails are dated Tuesday when I was off-line.
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Tueday, 7.27am - 10.23am, 182 notification emails
[12:24] <IntuitiveNipple> Example: here's the message source of the last email: http://paste.ubuntu.com/130135/
[13:41]  * henninge is back
[14:14] <Adri2000> is it intended that time on bugs' +activity page is utc while it seems to be local time everywhere else?
[14:21] <persia> henninge, I've no idea where offline-installer may have gone, but there's still interest in tracking it.
[14:22] <persia> henninge, It's completely different from offline-updater
[14:23] <henninge> persia: Found it: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/drupal/+spec/offline-installer
[14:23] <henninge> seems like ubuntu-drupal was moved to drupal
[14:23] <henninge> or renamed, rather
[14:23] <persia> Ah.  That would confuse things, but maybe make them less likely to get all the spec reassignments by default.
[14:24] <henninge> persia: but it should still be under ubuntu, right?
[14:25] <persia> Right.
[14:26] <persia> Is that something that can be done directly yet, or are we still waiting for the bug to be resolved (on passing things over the project/distro wall)?
[14:27] <awilkins> If you dput -f a source package with the same version name will rebuilding it use the new version?
[14:28] <persia> awilkins, dput -f only forces locally.  Soyuz will reject it because it's an already uploaded version.
[14:28] <awilkins> Thanks
[14:29] <awilkins> So I need to hike the version number?
[14:30] <persia> If you want to upload something to a launchpad-hosted repository, it needs to have a higher version number than is already in that repository (or in a repository on which that repository depends).
[14:31] <awilkins> persia: Righto. I'm not sure why the build failed, to be honest, it failed to apply a patch that seems to work just fine here, so I'm operating under the assumption that I left the file it was patching in a bad state before I uploaded it..
[14:31] <persia> awilkins, You may find it useful to try local builds with sbuild to simulate the environment
[14:32] <persia> !sbuild
[14:32] <awilkins> persia: Thanks for that, this is my first day trying to package debs
[14:40] <henninge> persia: It seems that bug about retargetting blueprints is not easily fixed, I am sorry.
[14:40] <henninge> persia: How about creating a new blueprint in Ubuntu and either copying the content of the current one or refer to it from the new entry?
[14:41] <persia> henninge, I expected that, since the same class of bug applies also to retargeting bugs and questions.
[14:41] <FreeUser> is there any launchpad admin here??
[14:42] <persia> Personally, I *really* don't like that solution, especially because 1) there's no advanced search for blueprints, and 2) there's not a clearly mapped out set of blueprint status values that allow for blueprints that don't get implemented.
[14:43] <persia> I'll discuss with those tracking the blueprint to see if they think it's important enough, but I'd be happy to wait another cycle or two (as long as it can be properly placed for May).
[14:43] <henninge> FreeUser: If you have an admin request, please file a question: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[14:44] <persia> On the other hand, if there's no improvements expected to blueprints before May, then I might have to use the workaround anyway.
[14:44] <persia> (which is all the more annoying as this is only one of several blueprints I would like to see retargeted)
[14:45] <henninge> persia: I do not know the readmap, but I don't expect too much progress on blueprints until may.
[14:45] <FreeUser> henninge: i can't becuase i lost my email account
[14:45] <FreeUser> so i can't login there
[14:45] <persia> Do you mean "until may", as in they might be there in may, or "until may" as in "at least not before may, and probably longer"?
[14:45] <henninge> persia: I wonder if some-one could do some database-magic to help you ...
[14:46] <persia> It was in the hope of said DB magic I filed the question :)
[14:46] <henninge> ;)
[14:46] <henninge> I am not sure what the LOSAs tried, exactly.
[14:46] <henninge> persia: ^
[14:47] <persia> Would you mind chasing it up with a LOSA one more time?  If it can't be resolved, I'll use a workaround.  If it can, I'll review more carefully what ought be against Ubuntu for May, and submit another question with the list, and a reference to this question for procedure.
[14:47] <henninge> FreeUser: You mean "lost" as in "I don't have acces to it anymore" ? ;)
[14:48] <henninge> persia: will do
[14:48] <persia> henninge, Thank you.
[14:49] <FreeUser> henninge: yes, i did use bugmenot.com to register my email and didn't bother to remember the adress, because i had it saved in Firefox
[14:50] <FreeUser> :p
[14:52] <henninge> FreeUser: Please create an account with you new email address first, then file a question with the new account to merge the other account into it.
[14:53] <henninge> FreeUser: No need to use something like bugmenot.com on Launchpad ... ;-)
[15:02] <henninge> persia: I assume when you talk about "May", you are talking about UDS?
[15:05] <persia> Well, hopefully sufficiently before then to effectively plan schedules, etc.
[15:05] <henninge> persia: ;-)
[15:05] <persia> So, say, being able to manipulate things effectively sometime before the 11th.
[15:06] <persia> Given that, it would probably have to land in the release in late April.
[15:06] <persia> Which would mean next cycle, so if there aren't plans, there isn't much time to get them :)
[15:06] <persia> Anyway, far too late here.  I'll read backscroll.
[16:16] <technopagan1> Hi! I deleted some files on my local checkout, wanted to grab the actual files from Launchpad again, did bzr update and check and it all dispays that all is fine. But it isn't. There are whole files missing on my local checkout. How di I force a download from Launchpad to overwrite my local files?
[16:16] <beuno> technopagan1, run: bzr status
[16:16] <beuno> what does that tell you?
[16:17] <technopagan1> beuno: That there's one file removed + one file unkown
[16:18] <beuno> technopagan1, you can do:  bzr revert
[16:18] <beuno> and it will revert the state
[16:19] <technopagan1> beuno: But it will not revert the branch on Launchpad to a previous revision, will it?
[16:19] <beuno> technopagan1, this will only affect your working tree
[16:19] <technopagan1> beuno: Because I don't want to damage something there
[16:19] <beuno> please do keep in mind that checkouts are bound to their parent, in the case, the launchpad branch
[16:19] <beuno> so if you delete and commit, it will do the same in LP
[16:20] <beuno> if you don't want that, you should use "bzr branch" instead
[16:20] <beuno> but now, it's safe to revert
[16:20] <beuno> you can always go back to a previous revision
[16:20] <technopagan1> beuno: So I don't need to use remove $filename to take a file out of the branch. Simply deleting it locally + then commiting is enough?
[16:21] <beuno> technopagan1, well, 'bzr rm FILE' is better
[16:23] <technopagan1> beuno: Thank you! It worked!
[16:23] <beuno> technopagan1, happy to help
[17:43] <qsi> hello, I have renamed some files in my code, how can I make sure the launchpad associates the old names with the new names?
[17:44] <henninge> qsi: did you use "bzr rename" (or move, mv) ?
[17:45] <qsi> henninge: I didn't do anything yet, but i'm planning to rename, ...
[17:45] <qsi> what's the best approach?
[17:45] <henninge> qsi: oh, "have renamed" made me think differntly ... ;-)
[17:46] <qsi> henninge: yeah that's true :)
[17:46] <henninge> qsi: If you are talking about a bzr repository, use "bzr rename" to rename them.
[17:51] <henninge> persia: I just saw I forgot to tell you:
[17:51] <qsi> henninge: ok, I'm curious how that will work out, ... looks logical, so if I want to diff the a version in loggerhead of a file, I can do this between the newly renamed file and a file which has the old name? Or will all files be renamed?
[17:52] <henninge> persia: Please file a question with all the blueprints, as you had suggested. They can only be moved with db magic.
[17:52] <henninge> qsi: if you "bzr rename" files they are renamed, in that revision.
[17:53] <qsi> henninge: but loggerhead will be smart enough to still be able to diff files between different revisions
[17:53] <henninge> qsi: loggerhead is just a front end for bzr, so we are talkling bzr here.
[17:53] <henninge> qsi: I should think so
[17:54] <qsi> henninge: right, so /loggerhead/bzr/
[17:54] <henninge> qsi: renaming is just an operation on the file, just like changing the content.
[17:54] <henninge> qsi: let me try it out ...
[18:00] <henninge> qsi: it is as I said: http://pastebin.com/d32f157e4
[18:01] <henninge> qsi: works as you suggested ;)
[18:02] <qsi> henninge: neat, bzr is quite new to me, but I really start to like it more and more
[18:02] <qsi> hennigne: thanks for having a look at this for me
[18:04] <henninge> qsi: np, I like to try out cases that I don't come accross that often.
[18:04] <henninge> across
[18:04] <henninge> ?
[18:06] <henninge> ok, I am done for today.
[18:06] <qsi> across i guess
[18:07] <henninge> qsi: :-)
[21:39] <jimi_hendrix> hi, noob question...i want to contribute a little code to a friends project and he told me to branch it...what console command with bzr would that be?
[21:40] <LarstiQ> jimi_hendrix: bzr branch <url to project>
[21:40] <LarstiQ> jimi_hendrix: say, bzr branch lp:bzr-svn/0.5 for the 0.5 series of bzr-svn on launchpad
[21:41] <LarstiQ> jimi_hendrix: or bzr branch bzr+ssh://host/srv/bzr/product/trunk, or bzr branch ~friend/project, you get the idea :)
[21:41] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[21:42] <jimi_hendrix> do i need a lp account?
[21:43] <thumper> no
[21:43] <thumper> not to branch
[21:43] <thumper> although bzr will ask you to do a lp-login if you use the lp URL
[21:43] <thumper> which you don't have to do to get the branch over http
[21:44] <thumper> but if you want to make your code easily accessible to your friend
[21:44] <LarstiQ> and you don't need it at all if you're not interacting with launchpad
[21:44] <thumper> by putting your code back on LP
[21:44] <thumper> then yes, you'll need to login
[21:44] <thumper> a login
[21:44] <thumper> and an ssh key
[21:45] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: which branch did you friend ask you to get?
[21:47] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, colist
[21:47] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, also how do i specify what code to branch?
[21:47] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: as in the main branch for colist?
[21:48] <jimi_hendrix> ya
[21:48] <jimi_hendrix> well i think so
[21:48] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do you have bzr installed?
[21:48] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do a `bzr --version`
[21:50] <jimi_hendrix> version 1.3.1
[21:52] <thumper> ouch
[21:52] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: what OS?
[21:52] <jimi_hendrix> Ubuntu (dont laugh)
[21:54] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, its debian based...so...
[21:54] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: I'm using ubuntu too
[21:54] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: I wouldn't laugh :)
[21:54] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you really want to get a more recent bzr
[21:55] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: are you comfortable editing your apt sources list?
[21:55] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, yes
[21:55] <jimi_hendrix> i have setup arch by my self :)
[21:55] <thumper> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ppa
[21:55] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: add the bzr team's ppa
[21:56] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: and upgrade your bzr
[21:56] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it'll make stuff go faster
[21:56] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: bzr is nicer than arch :)
[21:57] <jimi_hendrix> lol
[21:58] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, wheres the apt sources again?  i always forget
[21:58] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:58]  * thumper thinks#
[21:58] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: or you could use adept-manager (for kde) or synaptic (for gnome)
[22:00] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, what should the line read?
[22:00] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: which ubuntu do you have
[22:01] <jimi_hendrix> 8.04
[22:01] <jimi_hendrix> fglrx dont love me in ibex
[22:02] <thumper> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bzr/ppa/ubuntu hardy main
[22:02] <jimi_hendrix> thanks
[22:04] <jimi_hendrix> bah? still at 1.3.1
[22:04] <kiko-afk> jimi_hendrix, really?
[22:05] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you still need to do the `sudo aptitude upgrade`
[22:05] <jimi_hendrix> oh duh
[22:05] <thumper> update then upgrade
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> 1.12
[22:07] <thumper> cool
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> ok, now back to branching to colist
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> how do i do it
[22:07] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do you have an LP login?
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> yes
[22:07] <jimi_hendrix> jimi_hendrix
[22:08] <thumper> `bzr lp-login jimi_hendrix`
[22:08] <thumper> then go to where you want to create the branch
[22:08] <thumper> and do `bzr branch lp:colist`
[22:09] <jimi_hendrix> wait
[22:09] <jimi_hendrix> do i need to lp-login my email?
[22:09] <jimi_hendrix> because when i login it asks for my email
[22:10] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you should also do `bzr whoami "your name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:11] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you don't seem to have a launchpad account
[22:11] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: at least not where you said
[22:11] <jimi_hendrix> try<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:11] <jimi_hendrix> cause it asks for my email when i login and i get that
[22:11] <thumper> when you log in, and click on your name in the top right hand corner, what is the url
[22:12] <jimi_hendrix> ~myspot40
[22:13] <jimi_hendrix> ok it says i need to register ssh keys
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you should use your gmail address above in the bzr whoami
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: that way Launchpad can link your commits to your user
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: do you have an SSH key?
[22:14] <jimi_hendrix> no?
[22:14] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: you don't actually need it to get the branch
[22:15] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: have you done the whoami?
[22:16] <cyberix> kiko-afk: When I brand a project
[22:17] <cyberix> kiko-afk: I'm asked to give images of three different sizes
[22:17] <cyberix> kiko-afk: brand, logo, icon
[22:17] <jimi_hendrix> yes
[22:17] <kiko-afk> cyberix, yeah, it's because we want them pixel perfect. :)
[22:17] <cyberix> kiko-afk: where is the logo sized image displayed
[22:18] <jimi_hendrix> it gives my real name though and i dont want that
[22:18] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: ooh... kay...
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: then don't use your real name ?
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: either way, you can use `bzr branch lp:colist` to get the branch
[22:19] <ronny> hi
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: and since you don't have an lp-login defined
[22:19] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it should get it over http
[22:20] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, uhh it has my hostname and stuff, but i didnt put my real name in my profile
[22:20] <jimi_hendrix> so should i log out?
[22:20] <jimi_hendrix> then will it contribute anonymosly?
[22:20] <ronny> anyone of the team here, we just enabled the trac plugin in our trac and would like to know if it works
[22:21] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: I don't understand what you are trying to do
[22:21] <rockstar> intellectronica, see ronny's comment above
[22:21] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: all revisions will have some form of author recorded
[22:21] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: this is defined by the whoami command
[22:21] <jimi_hendrix> ok, how do i change what is outputed by the whoami command
[22:22] <nhandler> jimi_hendrix: bzr whoami 'New Name <email@host>'
[22:22] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: `bzr help whoami`
[22:22] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it is helpful to have a real email address that will get to you
[22:22] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: it is the purpose of recording it
[22:22] <intellectronica> ronny: which project?
[22:22] <intellectronica> gmb: ^^^
[22:23] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, i rarely check my real email...i probably check my junk one<EMAIL_ADDRESS>more often than my real one
[22:23]  * gmb catches up
[22:23] <gmb> ronny: What intellectronica said, first of all :)
[22:23] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[22:23] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: just use whatever
[22:23] <jimi_hendrix> and i branch the code with bzr branch lp:colist
[22:24] <ronny> intellectronica: pida
[22:24] <intellectronica> gmb: do we still have to reset all existing watches before we start pulling using the plugin?
[22:24] <gmb> intellectronica: Ideally, yes.
[22:25] <gmb> intellectronica: In this case it's 8 watches.
[22:25] <intellectronica> wow, i python ide. i should give this a try
[22:25] <gmb> ronny, intellectronica: I'll take care of it.
[22:25] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: yes
[22:25] <intellectronica> gmb: cool, thanks
[22:25] <ronny> nice, thanks
[22:26] <jimi_hendrix> thumper, do i need to be in the dir with all the stuff? or do i specify what dir to use
[22:26] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: if you are in say ~/src
[22:26] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: then calling bzr branch lp:colist, will create a directory colist in ~src
[22:27] <thumper> jimi_hendrix: or you can give it another parameter to define the location to branch to
[22:27] <jimi_hendrix> ok
[22:56] <gmb> ronny: Okay, the plugin appears to be working okay, but Launchpad is having some trouble telling the PIDA Trac which LP bug refers to a given Trac bug. If it's okay with you I'll try to debug this tomorrow (it's 22:55 my time). I've filed this as bug 341997; please subscribe to that for updates.
[22:58] <ronny> gmb: thats ok
[23:57] <vila> Does anyone know how to delete a milestone like https://edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+milestone/1.14rc1-error (created in the wrong series)


[01:48] <joosen> hi everybody
[01:48] <RAOF> ello.
[01:49] <joosen> someone use ubuntu 12.10 desktop
[01:49] <RAOF> Many people. But if you're about to ask a support question about it, you probably want #ubuntu.
[01:51] <doomlord> (hello again hehe)
[03:59] <doomlord> can unity's globalmenu be made to display permanently instead of being popup replacement for the titlebar - reasoning being, you can always see the item you want to aim the cursor at before the mouse reaches the top
[03:59] <doomlord> (andfamiliarity fo peeps alternating with osx)
[04:03] <pitti> Good morning
[04:27] <doomlord> good morning
[04:28] <doomlord> anyone here compiles unity compiz plugins?
[05:20] <BigWhale> Good Morning.
[07:57] <larsu> desrt, when will we get gsettingslist?
[08:28] <seb128> desrt, hourly reminder: don't forget about gsettingslist
[08:36] <jasoncwarner_> seb128 desrt forgot about gsettingslist? *grumble grumble grumble*
[08:37] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, I know, wth with Canadians!
[08:37] <didrocks> how come is it possible? we had desrt speaking of it for a while, he can't forget it, I don't believe you guys! :)
[08:38] <didrocks> if desrt forgot about it, all my world will fall…
[08:38] <jasoncwarner_> seb128, I'm not convinced desrt is candian. doesn't talk about maple syrup that much and I saw him eating regular bacon! I mean, what!?
[08:39] <kenvandine> desrt's canadian?
[09:28] <akhilblue> hey guys. need help in installing a driver for usb dongle with rtl8188su chipset.
[11:17] <Laney> ricotz: you here?
[11:17] <Laney> how am I supposed to open a movie in totem 3.6?
[11:18] <ricotz> Laney, you are lucky
[11:18] <ricotz> Laney, how do you mean that?
[11:18] <Laney> i don't see any Open File entry in the menus
[11:19] <ricotz> Laney, ah, yes, those entries are in the applications-menu
[11:19] <ricotz> while using gnome-shell you can access them there
[11:19] <davmor2> Laney: is it another one where it is only one menu now like empathy?
[11:19] <Laney> oh I see
[11:19] <ricotz> like empathy, yes
[11:19] <Laney> if you run with UBUNTU_MENUPROXY= then it's in the global menu bar thing
[11:20] <Laney> but the rest of the normal menus are with the app
[11:20] <Laney> if you have it set as normal you get the normal menus in the global bar but not the application menu
[11:21] <Laney> can't play anything :(
[11:21] <ricotz> Laney, i am not really using unity :\
[11:22] <ricotz> Laney, there is a gtk-window-manager flag which preserves the menu in the window
[11:22] <Laney> I get "This file cannot be played over the network. Try downloading it locally first." for local files
[11:22] <Laney> curious
[11:23] <ricotz> hmm, this works fine in here (with g-s)
[11:24] <ricotz> ah, i see
[11:25] <ricotz> Laney, is it constantly failing
[11:26] <Laney> yeah
[11:26] <Laney> I don't have so many test videos though
[11:26] <ricotz> i just saw this message, but after that it worked
[11:26] <Laney> hmm
[11:26] <ricotz> Laney, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/plank/plank-stacks2.ogv
[11:26] <Laney> I get some message about jack on the console
[11:27] <Laney> still fails
[11:28] <Sweetshark> sooo https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/libreoffice-oneirictest-20110718/+build/3929243 ppa buildd craps out again because of 'no space left on device' and doesnt abort.
[11:28] <ricotz> Laney, could be a gstreamer related problem
[11:29] <Sweetshark> IIRC if I 'cancel the build' I wont be able to restart it, right?
[11:29] <Laney> ricotz: I'm trying to make a pipeline now to see
[11:29] <ricotz> Sweetshark, yes
[11:30] <ricotz> Sweetshark, cancel and reupload it the recommended way :\
[11:30] <Sweetshark> ricotz: *grrrrr*
[11:30] <Laney> ricotz: yeah, works with gst-launch-1.0
[11:30] <Sweetshark> ricotz: ok, canceling -- that at least frees the builder
[11:47] <Laney> pff
[11:47] <Laney> ricotz: let me upload this to a PPA for you to try
[11:48]  * Laney makes a "gnome3-staging" PPA on gnome3-team
[11:50] <seb128> Laney, hey, what are you working on?
[11:50] <Laney> totem 3.6
[11:50] <seb128> Laney, I started updating g-s-d,g-c-c to 3.6
[11:51] <seb128> ok
[11:51] <Laney> oh, cool
[11:51] <Laney> how's that going?
[11:51] <seb128> good if you don't consider ibus,xkb
[11:52] <Sweetshark> seb128: heya, could you comment on how to go about with bug 1064962?
[11:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1064962 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu Quantal) "Global menubar items do not work when opening a document directly from nautilus with no LibreOffice instance running" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1064962
[11:53] <Sweetshark> seb128: the current state is: - it looks good in a local build -it failed in the PPA for lack of disc space :/ *angryoldmanfistshaking*
[11:54] <Laney> you can ask for more space in #launchpad-ops internal
[11:55] <Sweetshark> Laney: fs-space on the buildd is the issue, not PPA storage. There is a bug open for that since ages, nothing happens with it.
[11:55] <Laney> oh wow, that's sad
[11:55] <Sweetshark> s/bug/is-ticket/
[11:56] <Laney> you might want to ask jason to bump the priority on the ticket a bit
[11:58] <Sweetshark> Laney: the release builders can handle it, but the ppa builders crap out every second time. and I already worked around that by reducing the numbers of l10ns on a ppa build -- which causes other issues (like not seeing a bug with a special cased local that oly fire when you build indep and arch part independantly -- thus letting me run into that just at the release upload)
[11:59] <Sweetshark> Laney: will do at UDS
[12:00] <seb128> Sweetshark, can you get a review of the patch by desrt or aruiz and some ppa feedback once it builds there? I would push it in proposed even if it's not trivial
[12:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, it will not reach updates without testing anyway
[12:02] <Sweetshark> seb128: sounds good, I would have done something along those lines.
[12:03] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will reupload for ppa building then and drop you a source package for -proposed on chinstrap today.
[12:04] <seb128_> hum
[12:04] <seb128_> Sweetshark, did you get my reply?
[12:05] <Sweetshark> seb128_: heh, yes. Di you get mine? ;)
[12:05] <seb128_> no
[12:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: sounds good, I would have done something along those lines.
[12:05] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will reupload for ppa building then and drop you a source package for -proposed on chinstrap today.
[12:08] <seb128_> Sweetshark, ok, great, thanks
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, dominos keep sending me text messages, trying to get me to buy pizza
[16:12] <jpds> chrisccoulson: Ask if they can deliver to .dk.
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> jpds, perhaps i should just take some on the flight with me
[16:13] <jpds> chrisccoulson: I hope you have extra luggage.
[16:39] <Laney> jbicha: feel free to upload rb 2.98 to R at your convenience
[16:52] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: beware in .dk you might get a Pølser pizza!
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, heh, i had to google that ;)
[21:01] <ricotz> Laney, hi, totem seems to work fine, also streaming -- grilo: i am not so sure about putting the vapi in a separate package (which should be pulled by the -dev package)
[21:03] <Laney> ricotz: I just took that from the upstream PPA
[21:03] <Laney> in distro we'll use Debian's package which doesn't (yet?) have this split
[21:05] <ricotz> Laney, i see, to be honest i don't see a need to split it (didnt see someone doing that yet) and this is condition it breaks while the vapi isnt pulled in
[21:05]  * Laney shrugs
[21:05] <Laney> I suggest you contact them :-)
[21:06] <ricotz> i mean it breaks only if you rely on the vapi to be present when depending on -de
[21:06] <ricotz> v
[21:06] <Laney> I understand
[21:06] <ricotz> (only for compile time)
[21:06] <ricotz> (but it seems weird to split it)
[21:08] <ricotz> a vapi isnt comparable with a typelib and it needs to be in the -dev imo
[21:08] <Laney> haha, dude I have no complaints
[21:08] <Laney> address your ire to ~grilo-team
[21:08] <ricotz> Laney, sorry, just wanted to point it out ;)