[12:17] <dodobas> yello
[12:18] <dodobas> is it possible to download more then one .PO from rosetta?
[12:18] <RAOF> dodobas: Yes.  You can download _all_ of them, too.
[12:18] <dodobas> how? :)
[12:19] <RAOF> From memory, the "export" button; I've only done it once, but it didn't seem _too_ hard to find.
[12:19] <RAOF> I don't think I can help you much more, except to say that it _is_ possible :)
[12:20] <dodobas> im searching for it :)
[12:31] <Sia0-0> hi
[12:31] <Sia0-0> some one from translation team her ?
[12:32] <dodobas> RAOF: i've apt-get sourced language-pack :D
[12:32] <dodobas> easy, right
[12:35] <mwhudson> Sia0-0: it doesn't look like it
[12:35] <dodobas> Sia0-0: what do you want to know?
[12:36] <Sia0-0> dodobas, have .po file translated, and will check it before upload in launchpad, which command can check it for msgstr error?
[12:38] <dodobas> i think it's msgfmt
[12:38] <dodobas> it should create binary MO file
[12:39] <Sia0-0> yes dodobas will check it not create .mo file
[12:41] <dodobas> Sia0-0: i dont understand
[12:42] <Sia0-0> ok you have no answer
[12:42] <Sia0-0> also thanx
[17:33] <Sia0-0> hi again
[17:34] <Sia0-0> anyone from translation team her?
[17:35] <beuno> Sia0-0, not many people around during the weekend, but ask away, someone may just be tempted to look at their computer
[17:37] <Sia0-0> also
[17:38] <Sia0-0> i check my .po file with 'msgfmt -c' no error, but import to launchpad said is error in file please check it with 'msgfmt -c' :)
[17:39] <beuno> Sia0-0, I see. I'd say your safest bet is to file a question, and admins will get back to you soon: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[17:39] <beuno> include as much information as you can (URL to the file import, the output of your msgfmt -c, etc)
[17:40] <Sia0-0> output from 'msgfmt -c' display error if have error, if not display nothing
[17:41] <beuno> Sia0-0, right. Then just explain that it didn't output anything
[17:42] <Sia0-0> ok, i wait from last message from translator team
[17:44] <Sia0-0> i need review https://translations.launchpad.net/~sia-neriman/+imports beuno
[17:45] <beuno> Sia0-0, I'm not part of the translator teams, but give it a few days and someone will get to it
[17:45] <Sia0-0> a few days?
[17:46] <beuno> it depends on how much work the team has
[17:46] <beuno> it may be very fast
[17:49] <Sia0-0> ok thanx beuno
[18:26] <fdhfjk> ok so in regards to doing translations, how do I list more than 10 lines to be translated?
[18:30] <fdhfjk> also I wish there was a spot for translator notes; "The CSV file must be seperated by semi-colons..." Im like WTF?
[18:30] <fdhfjk> semi-colons?!
[18:30] <fdhfjk> in a comma seperated file?
[18:32] <gimaker> Yes why, didn't you know that CSV is an acronym for semi-Colon Separated Values ;)
[18:32] <fdhfjk> ahh
[18:32] <fdhfjk> thought it was comma
[18:33] <gimaker> Yeah, it is
[18:33] <fdhfjk> wtf lol youre playing with me
[18:33] <fdhfjk> HAHAHHAHAH
[18:33] <fdhfjk> nice :D
[18:33] <fdhfjk> well my goal is quality
[18:33] <fdhfjk> so Im kinda ... ugh going crazy; I downloaded and translated ALL of WordPress
[18:33] <fdhfjk> errors and no upload
[18:34] <fdhfjk> also translated xulrunner (huge)
[18:34] <fdhfjk> 101 errors
[18:34] <fdhfjk> all in the original file from launchpad
[18:34] <fdhfjk> these errors are duplicate entries
[18:34] <gimaker> I never used the translations services of launchpad, can't help you there, sorry
[18:35] <fdhfjk> but everything I translate now I must use the launchpad site which is alot slower then poedit
[18:35] <fdhfjk> also lol I cant find a link to edit my profile etc
[18:35] <fdhfjk> so I just slap a /+edit on the end of my homepage and it goes to it
[18:36] <gimaker> there's a "Change details" button on the right side of your profile
[18:37] <gimaker> ... which points to "/+edit", of course :)
[18:37] <Rhamphoryncus> For some reason those links are very skilled at hiding in plain sight.. I'm finally getting paranoid enough to look for them
[18:37] <fdhfjk> ahh
[18:38] <fdhfjk> ok cool
[18:38] <fdhfjk> but yeah I wish I could have an easier way to translate than the website; ex: a streaming program from launchpad to a poedit-esk program
[18:39] <fdhfjk> because editing those .PO files and finding errors is absolutely discouraging+1
[18:39] <fdhfjk> I spent 3 hours translating wordpress alond
[18:39] <fdhfjk> alond==alone
[18:40] <fdhfjk> also lol, there was no spot to upload on the wordpress translation site
[18:40] <gimaker> fdhfjk: maybe Leonov (http://leonov.tv) might provide a nicer interface in the future...? I don't think its supported ATM though
[18:40] <fdhfjk> I assume the link appears when I join their group, couldnt find a link to join
[18:41] <fdhfjk> I like launchpad overall, but I spend hours on it
[18:41] <fdhfjk> hmmz this looks interesting
[18:42] <gimaker> fdhfjk: there are instructions here: https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/wordpress-translators
[18:42] <gimaker> fdhfjk: yeah, I agree, it's a bit confusing at times, and takes some time getting used too
[18:43] <gimaker> but I like the new interface *a lot* better than the old one
[18:43] <fdhfjk> lol no permission
[18:44] <fdhfjk> well I mean there is room for improvement in every system, anywhere
[18:44] <fdhfjk> its not bad, just more handy to use an external prog that gets down to the soup and nuts of it
[18:45] <fdhfjk> like poedit lists all 4000 lines to be translated, and it can easily copy the line over and edit and done next line
[18:45] <fdhfjk> problem lies in compilation w/ msgfmt
[18:46] <fdhfjk> trying to fix xulrunner as its the #1 priority on my language
[18:46] <fdhfjk> but it has duplicate entries
[18:47] <fdhfjk> so I either do 300+ translations on launchy or try and fix 101 errors in vi and hope it doesnt blow up
[18:47] <fdhfjk> 300+ pages of translations rather
[18:50] <fdhfjk> I think the thing that really burns me is the fact that I can download a translation file freely, and then cannot upload it anywhere
[18:52] <fdhfjk> oh well nevermind about my rantings :D
[18:52] <fdhfjk> bbl
[18:53] <fdhfjk> thanks for the addy; Im going to check it out
[20:46] <paulproteus> Does Launchpad host mailing lists?
[20:47] <beuno> paulproteus, yeap. You can create a mailing list for a team
[20:48] <paulproteus> Does that mean that people without Launchpad accounts can sign up for that list?
[20:50] <Sia0-0> hi
[20:51] <beuno> paulproteus, no, just the people with launchpad accounts
[20:51] <paulproteus> That's kind of hilarious.
[20:51] <Sia0-0> can i remove the .po file in our team and upload new .po file again?
[20:52] <beuno> paulproteus, well, the idea of Launchpad providing the mailing lists, is, that people use Launchpad to interact with it
[20:52] <beuno> also, restricting it to users with Launchpad accounts eliminates spam
[20:52] <paulproteus> I kind of use email to interact with email lists.
[20:52] <beuno> which is something many of us are very grateful for
[20:52] <beuno> paulproteus, you still use email, you just need to have an account in Launchpad with that email registered
[20:53] <paulproteus> Okay.
[20:54] <Sia0-0> any idea?
[20:54] <beuno> Sia0-0, I really don't know that much about translation imports
[20:54] <Sia0-0> ok thanx
[20:54] <beuno> I'd ask tomorrow in the channel again, when the developers are working
[20:54] <beuno> or, file another question  :)
[22:11] <thumper> hi beuno
[22:43] <beuno> thumper, mornin'


[20:51]  * thorwil waves godbyk
[20:51] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil!
[20:53] <godbyk> I saw your new title pages. I'll rebuild the PDFs with those.
[20:53] <godbyk> thorwil: Are you working on the wraparound covers, too?
[20:53] <thorwil> godbyk: spent much of the weekend building a form from extruded polystyrol plates for laminating glass fibre
[20:53] <godbyk> cool!
[20:53] <thorwil> and just now i pushed a little kerning tweak to 13.10
[20:54] <thorwil> such is my odd life :)
[20:54] <godbyk> I'm troubleshooting why adding avatars to my 3D scene is slowing everything down to a crawl. Might have to do with textures; they're quite large.
[20:55] <thorwil> now why do i still lack an automated way for adjusting the wraparound covers :}
[20:55] <godbyk> thorwil: Ha! I know. I was trying to think of a good way to do that. I could probably write a script that spits out a rough draft and then leave you to do the kerning and touch-ups.
[20:55] <thorwil> godbyk: blue makes things slower of course, add some red. maybe devisl to offset the avatars!
[20:56] <godbyk> heh
[20:56] <thorwil> devils, even
[20:56] <godbyk> Well, the avatars consist of a couple texture files, each 2048×2048 in size.
[20:56] <godbyk> They look amazing, but each animated avatar slows down the frame loop by 5–6 milliseconds.
[20:57] <thorwil> what kind of 3d scene is it?
[20:58] <godbyk> It's an Afghan village.
[20:59] <godbyk> I've only got four avatars in there at the moment, but they're dragging the frame rate down incredibly.
[20:59] <godbyk> I have to do some troubleshooting this evening to see if it's the walk cycle animation or the movement through the 3D scene that's causing the slow-down.
[20:59] <godbyk> (Or both, I suppose.)
[21:00] <thorwil> isn't it sad, how i immediately think of explosions, when reading "afghan"?
[21:01] <CrazyLemon> hey guys.  Any idea why slovenian saucy manual looks horrible? i tried building english and the result was the same
[21:01] <godbyk> thorwil: It is. But I have to add some of those to the scenario, too. :)
[21:01] <CrazyLemon> does the english manual build nicely for you guys?
[21:01] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Can you be more specific?  The English manual looks okay to me.
[21:02] <CrazyLemon> godbyk i really cant - its a total mess.. but i can upload it to a DB and give you a link :)
[21:02] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Yeah, that'd be helpful. Send me the PDF and the .log file.
[21:03] <godbyk> I'll be back a bit later. My sister's pestering me. We're in the midst of playing Portal 2 together.
[21:03] <CrazyLemon> while building english manual i have to press enter at least few hundred times
[21:03] <godbyk> Thanks for your help with the title pages and covers, thorwil!
[21:03] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Hmm.. sounds like something's not quite right on your system them. Having the log file will tell me where the errors are. It might be a missing LaTeX package or something.
[21:04] <godbyk> I'll be back a bit later.
[21:04] <thorwil> godbyk: no problem! ha, lovely how fr is already the right width
[21:04] <CrazyLemon> godbyk yea.. i was checking the log.. but the damn thing is like 18MB!
[21:08] <godbyk> thorwil: Nice! I think the last Spanish edition was 12.04 if that's helpful.
[21:09] <thorwil> godbyk: would have been, seconds ago ;)
[21:11] <thorwil> ES is also same width
[21:11] <CrazyLemon> godbyk when you get a chance here's the link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17510489/saucy-manual-english.zip
[21:13] <thorwil> godbyk: i'm done and will retreat to lurking now again :)
[21:32] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: I'll take a look at it in a bit and send you an email.
[22:21] <CrazyLemon> godbyk thanks for taking a look! :)
[22:24] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Wow, you weren't kidding when you said your PDF looked weird! :-)
[22:25] <CrazyLemon> godbyk i told you..a total mess :)
[22:25] <CrazyLemon> wait untill you see the log ..thats a totally different story :D
[22:25] <godbyk> Which version of Ubuntu are you building it under?
[22:26] <CrazyLemon> godbyk 12.04.3
[22:26] <godbyk> Ah, okay.
[22:26] <CrazyLemon> i did run ./install-pkgs.sh
[22:26] <CrazyLemon> and it just said smth latex detected
[22:26] <godbyk> For 12.04, I think the Ubuntu TeX Live packages are too old to use and you need to use the upstream TeX Live stuff.
[22:28] <CrazyLemon> ooh
[22:28] <CrazyLemon> and it does say that in the instructions
[22:28] <CrazyLemon> my bad
[22:28] <godbyk> You can install TeX Live from upstream by following the instructions at <http://kevin.godby.org/2012/02/13/installing-tex-live-in-ubuntu/>.
[22:29] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: No worries. In later versions of Ubuntu some people said that the Ubuntu packages were updated enough that things generally worked okay.
[22:29] <godbyk> I myself still use the upstream TeX Live packages. But I use LaTeX for lots of other documents than just the Ubuntu manual.
[22:30] <CrazyLemon> you like torturing yourself dont you :D
[22:30] <CrazyLemon> j/k ..latex is only proper tool for mathematics and science documents
[22:31] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Heh. Well, I'm usually writing math and science documents. :-)
[22:31] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: I downloaded the Slovenian translation from Launchpad to build it here.
[22:32] <godbyk> It's complaining that you've translated the glossary entry labels when you shouldn't have.
[22:32] <CrazyLemon> godbyk oh.. well there were some confusion about those entries
[22:32] <CrazyLemon> about plural form
[22:33] <godbyk> I'm a bit confused myself. I thought we made it so you couldn't translate the thing it's complaining about. I'm looking into it now.
[22:33] <godbyk> For plural forms, you can add plural={plural form here}
[22:34] <CrazyLemon> hmm.. our coordinator told us its \glsph{plural form}
[22:34] <CrazyLemon> or smth like that
[22:34] <godbyk> Ah, nope.
[22:34] <godbyk> The \glspl{...} and \gls{...} bits should NOT be translated.
[22:35] <godbyk> Only translate the name={...}, description={...}, plural={...} bits of the glossary entries.
[22:35] <godbyk> So in one of the strings, you have \glspl{namizna okolja} which should've been left untranslated as \glspl{desktop environment}.
[22:35] <CrazyLemon> argh
[22:36] <CrazyLemon> i'll fix those tomorrow
[22:37] <CrazyLemon> yea..easy fix.. there's only a couple of glspl errors
[22:38] <godbyk> Another error: you have \applications{Datoteke} instead of \application{Datoteke}.
[22:39] <godbyk> Looks like someone translated \pregledne. Not sure what it originally was.
[22:39] <godbyk> You have a couple \applications (with the -s)..
[22:39] <godbyk> A \glsph instead of \glspl.
[22:40] <CrazyLemon> jeez :D
[22:40] <CrazyLemon> are these all wrong ? \application{uTorrent}, \application{Deluge}, or \application{Transmission}
[22:41] <godbyk> Those are okay.
[22:41] <godbyk> As long as it's \application instead of \applications, it's okay.  (No -s)
[22:41] <CrazyLemon> ah..right
[22:41] <godbyk> You can translate the application names if you like (if they're normally translated).
[22:41] <CrazyLemon> i was thinking the other way around
[22:48] <godbyk> cqfd93 and CrazyLemon, what do you think of the pricing/distribution channels question?
[22:48] <CrazyLemon> godbyk what pricing/distribution question?
[22:49] <godbyk> I emailed the Ubuntu Manual mailing list about it earlier today.
[22:49] <godbyk> There are now some extra distribution channels we can choose to use when we publish the manual.
[22:49] <godbyk> But it increases the price of the book slightly.
[22:49] <godbyk> So I'm collecting opinions on whether or not it's worth it.
[22:50] <godbyk> Do we stick with the existing channels and keep the price as low as possible? Or do we raise the price slightly and make it easier for bookstores, libraries, etc. to get our book?
[22:50] <CrazyLemon> godbyk raise the price by how much is the question
[22:51] <godbyk> The French manual would change in price from US$4.69 to $7.03.
[22:51] <godbyk> Interestingly, the GBP (₤) and EUR (€) prices stay the same.
[22:53] <CrazyLemon> well..i'd go for price raise.. its not that big of a difference.. one big mac worth of difference
[22:53] <CrazyLemon> how much is the manual in EUR?
[22:54] <godbyk> The French manual is €4.27.
[22:55] <CrazyLemon> thats a reasonable price
[22:56] <CrazyLemon> i think there was a guy in slovenia that decided to sell an ubuntu book/manual
[22:56] <CrazyLemon> a he wanted ~35€
[22:57] <CrazyLemon> and*
[23:00] <godbyk> Yeah, a lot of technical books in the US cost about that much.
[23:00] <godbyk> Since we're not here to make a profit, I set the prices as low at the website will let me.
[23:02] <CrazyLemon> i think i fixed all the errors
[23:03] <godbyk> Okay. I'll download it from Launchpad again and test it.
[23:04] <CrazyLemon> i'd test it myself but this tex live is huge
[23:04] <CrazyLemon> its been downloading for quite some time now
[23:05] <godbyk> Yeah, when you do a full install it's about 2 GB to download everything, I think.
[23:09] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: You have \pregledne somewhere and that shouldn't be translated.
[23:10] <CrazyLemon> godbyk there's a \menu{... pregledne ...}
[23:10] <CrazyLemon> but other than that i dont see it anywhere
[23:10] <godbyk> What does pregledne mean?
[23:10] <CrazyLemon> godbyk well its a term we use for Dash
[23:11] <godbyk> Ah, so perhaps it should be \dash for —?
[23:11] <CrazyLemon> and that \menu was something like \menu{Dash home} ?
[23:11] <godbyk> Here's the context:
[23:11] <godbyk> Za zaprtje okna kliknite na \closebutton{} v zgornjem levem kotu
[23:11] <godbyk> okna\pregledne plošče; prvi gumb z leve strani. Gumb desno poleg gumba za
[23:11] <godbyk> zaprtje okna je gumb \gls{minimize} (\minimizebutton), ki okno odstrani z
[23:11] <godbyk> zaslona in ga postavi v
[23:11] <godbyk> zaganjalnik.
[23:12] <godbyk> You also have "\emph{povezati." at the end of a string. You need to have a } before the .
[23:12] <cqfd93> godbyk, I hope the price on Amazon.fr remains unchanged (4.27€)
[23:13] <godbyk> cqfd93: It looks like it will.
[23:13] <cqfd93> good!
[23:13] <godbyk> cqfd93: Since I don't think the extra channels will help for non-US books, I'll leave them turned off for now. We can turn them on later if we want.
[23:14] <cqfd93> ok
[23:14] <godbyk> cqfd93: I submitted the PDFs for review to CreateSpace. I usually hear back from them in a day or so. Once I hear back from them, everything will be published and you should be able to start ordering copies of the book through amazon.fr by the end of the week.
[23:15] <cqfd93> Great!  Thank you!
[23:15] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: If you search for "besedila CAPTCHA).} ", you should remove the }
[23:15] <godbyk> cqfd93: My pleasure!
[23:15] <godbyk> cqfd93: More books to add to my collection. :-)
[23:16] <CrazyLemon> godbyk fixed
[23:16] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: You have a \potem that should be left untranslated as \then.
[23:17] <cqfd93> godbyk: ditto :-)
[23:17] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: You have a \in which should be \userinput.
[23:17] <CrazyLemon> godbyk fixed.. and no that \in was a part of the sentence..its actually \then
[23:17] <godbyk> cqfd93: You translators are getting awfully quick at translating these manuals!
[23:18] <CrazyLemon> the same sentence as that \potem :)
[23:18] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Ah, okay.
[23:19] <cqfd93> godbyk: I did most of the work (mostly moving blocks of text) in about a week :-)
[23:19] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: You have \glspl{paketi} which should be \glspl{package}.
[23:20] <CrazyLemon> godbyk yea.. i fixed that when you told be before about glspl and gls
[23:20] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: You have \Slike which should just be Slike.
[23:20] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Ah, okay. I'm just going through the list of errors in the log file. :)
[23:20] <godbyk> cqfd93: Wow!  Did you ever sleep?
[23:21] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: \texbackslash  should be \textbackslash   (missing T)
[23:21] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: \Uporabnik  should just be Uporabnik, I think. (no backslash)
[23:21] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: \filapath should be \filepath
[23:21] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: That's all the errors I see in the log at the moment.
[23:22] <godbyk> When you've fixed those, let me know and I'll download an updated translation and run it again.
[23:24] <CrazyLemon> godbyk done! :)
[23:24] <cqfd93> godbyk: Yes, I sleep, but as I retired 2 months ago, I now have plenty of free time ;-)
[23:25] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Great! I'm just waiting for Launchpad to send me a new po file now.
[23:25] <godbyk> cqfd93: Ah, nice!
[23:36] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: There's still a \glspl{paketi} that should be \glspl{package}.
[23:36] <CrazyLemon> hmm
[23:36] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: But all the other errors are gone now. \o/
[23:36] <CrazyLemon> godbyk \o/
[23:37] <CrazyLemon> thanks a lot! you are an ubuntu manual saver! :)
[23:37] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: :)
[23:38] <CrazyLemon> godbyk if the screenshots turn out ok.. should i just push them up?
[23:38] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Here's a draft PDF that you can use to help with your editing: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-sl.pdf
[23:38] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Yeah, you can push screenshots to the repository. Just make sure you take them using 1024×768 resolution.
[23:39] <CrazyLemon> godbyk well we tried to take the same resolution as the original
[23:39] <CrazyLemon> some are bigger (not bigger than 1024x768) due to longer strings
[23:39] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: That's fine.
[23:40] <godbyk> It's just if they're bigger than 1024×768 weird things may happen.
[23:40] <CrazyLemon> godbyk is there a template that i can use to create the title page ?
[23:41] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: I'll take care of the title page for you. You don't have to worry about that.
[23:41] <godbyk> (Actually, I usually foist the title pages and covers on Thorsten as he's even pickier than I am when it comes to kerning and the like!) ;-)
[23:42] <CrazyLemon> :D
[23:52] <CrazyLemon> godbyk thanks for all your help !
[23:52]  * CrazyLemon is off to bed
[23:53] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: No problem. Thanks for helping translate the manual!
[23:53] <godbyk> CrazyLemon: Good night!
[23:54] <CrazyLemon> take care
[23:55]  * cqfd93 also needs to sleep...
[23:55] <cqfd93> Bye!
[23:56] <godbyk> G
[23:56] <godbyk> G'night, cqfd93!


[02:45] <munroe_> Hi, I'm looking for help getting my touchscreen working.
[02:46] <munroe_> I have no idea what driver to use, but my product string for the touchscreen is 'E N E UTS 6680'
[16:02] <rzr> gu
[16:02] <rzr> hi
[16:03] <rzr> are there any hacks on nokia770 ? beside deblet and nitdroid ?
[16:04] <persia> I don't know of anyone running Ubuntu on the 770.  I've heard of it running on the 800.
[16:06] <rzr> just rhumours maybe http://linuxuk.blogspot.com/2007/08/ubuntu-mobile-on-nokia-770n800.html
[16:07] <rzr> persia: maybe a chroot version
[16:07] <persia> Maybe.
[16:08] <persia> That's a fairly old post: even from before there was an ARM port.
[16:09] <rzr> yes, i havent seen more recent stuff
[16:09] <rzr> beside http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/42983#42983
[16:11] <persia> Well, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/DeviceSupport indicates at least someone had it running on the n810
[16:11] <persia> More than anything, I don't know about the n770 hardware.  You might try something.
[16:11] <persia> You might also ask on #ubuntu-arm


[09:34] <mmantel> Hello guys, i have just one little question, from which kernel version ubuntu adds the CONFIG_HOTPLUG_CPU options ?
[09:44] <cjwatson> mmantel: (not a kernel developer, but) it goes back at least as far as 2.6.22-1.1 in Ubuntu 7.10, very probably earlier
[09:53] <mmantel> Hooo ok, i have a problem with a VM , doesn't have hotplug with a kernel 3.19. Maybe i have to enable something or pass a cpu option from my hypervisor ?
[10:23] <tomreyn> mmantel: there's no supported ubuntu release running this kernel version. the oldest supported kernel version (besides ESM) now is 4.4.0 (in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS)
[10:51] <apw> and even that is 3.13
[14:57] <LeoB> Hello there! Is there any backport happening for this patchsets on ubuntu kernel (18.04) ? https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-mm/list/?q=mm%2C+thp%3A+consolidate+THP+gfp+handling+into+alloc_hugepage_direct_gfpmask
[23:37] <snadge> i have managed to confirm my pc doesn't crash with the lowlatency kernel, if I use the 5.0.11 one from the mainline ppa
[23:38] <snadge> so im just going to do that.. im not sure how reporting a bug that my PC randomly crashes with zero diagnostic information and no ability to reliably trigger it.. ie.. it just happens randomly after 1 or 2 days, sometimes whilst idle, sometimes whilst im using it


[21:43] <greg-g> cmaloney: so, it's been at least 2.5 years since I had my squeezebox setup (don't ask) and, uh, do you use a synology to run LMS or something manual?
[21:46] <cmaloney> I use a regular machine that is always on
[21:47] <cmaloney> I don't trust a synology to run LMS in part because a) transcoding requires CPU power, and b) LMS does a few scans that might overpower the Synology
[21:47] <cmaloney> that said I'm referring to DS213/215 machines. The newer ones might be a little beefier
[21:48] <cmaloney> and I'm sure that folks run LMS fine on a RPI 2 but I have a large library and use FLAC
[21:48] <cmaloney> neither of which are CPU-sipping activities.
[22:41] <jrwren> if you are starting over... and without knowing what you are doing... I recommend navidrome :)
[22:42] <greg-g> yeah, this old ds213 is still kicking it, but it's old. Looks like the LMS packages available aren't working.
[22:43] <greg-g> I just wish i could use this hardware to play my music collection :(
[22:43] <greg-g> (the squeezebox)
[22:44] <greg-g> I don't want to use the TV (chromecast) to play my music, as I don't want the TV on.
[23:41] <jrwren> oh, you actually have a squeezebox. cool.


[01:13] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I'm going to add a few summaries to uwn 816 (in a few mins)
[01:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good deal - I am out for the naunce - will do the wrap tomorrow my time.
[01:18]  * guiverc out
[01:48]  * guiverc adding a couple more
[01:48] <Bashing-om> ack
[01:50]  * guiverc delaying a few mins.. do it shortly
[01:58]  * guiverc out
[02:01] <Bashing-om> guiverc: FYI - In my more lucid moments I review UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/WIKIs -see what we can now remove.
[02:02] <guiverc> :)
[02:10] <guiverc> Bashing-om, https://blog.thunderbird.net/2023/11/upcoming-thunderbird-community-office-hours/ feels more like an other news item (ie. list only)
[02:10] <guiverc> ^ being "feels like to me"...
[02:11] <guiverc> https://ubuntu.social/tags/UbuntuSummit2023 too actually (list not summary)
[02:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc: looking ^
[02:13] <guiverc> (may also 'feel' that way as I'm drawing blank... if it'd stop raining I'd likely take dog for walk & try again later...)
[02:14] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We got plenty of time yet :D
[02:31]  * guiverc wants to edit & add a couple of summaries
[02:38] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - when done I try again to move those above // make sure that your additiions were not deleted when I attempted to save.
[02:39]  * guiverc is out  (sorry I thought I'd typed that... went into one of my windows probably (not here)
[02:46] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Moving thunderbird and placing Summit 2023 playlist in podcasrt under a  "Ubuntu On Air" section.
[02:55] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Out = moved them and saved.
[03:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 2 to add - clwar for me to edit 816 ?
[03:13] <Bashing-om> clear*
[03:14] <guiverc> yep its clear... I've not re-start summarizing.. (so nothing to paste), thanks
[03:18] <Bashing-om> Editing :D
[03:22] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Added and out :D
[03:45] <guiverc> Bashing-om, I think https://cellularnews.com/mobile-operating-systems/android/ubuntu-operating-system-coming-to-smartphones-this-year/ is an old article re-published..  (one phone I looked up was released in 2014, withdrawn from sale a couple of years later)
[03:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: OH! !! explains why there is no other hue and cry - pull it !
[03:49] <guiverc> i won't edit until i've got summaries to paste (maybe awhile; I'm likely to walk dog in mins...)
[03:49] <Bashing-om> ack - no hurry still .
[03:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Scarlett Gately Moore: KDE neon and snaps, Debian Weekly report. @ https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/kde-neon-and-snaps-debian-weekly-report/
[03:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu Summit 2023 Reflections @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-summit-2023-reflections
[04:18]  * guiverc soon to edit
[04:19] <Bashing-om> ack
[04:23] <guiverc> thanks, I don't need an ack response.. I paste as I quick-scan-review , purpose being you can respond if it's a problem!
[04:23] <guiverc> i'm out anyway, thanks.   (phone article was just commented out; can be removed in final review along with many comments in doc
[04:27] <Bashing-om> guiverc: k - my ack is just to assure you that I will not screw up your work :D
[04:28] <guiverc> summaries are easy to re-paste  (assuming I don't suffer power outage given I don't save them locally; though still easy to copy/paste from change-diffs I check post-edit [unless I forget])
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Miriway - Bringing Wayland to Your Desktop @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHAK-eVYIYc
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: HPC with Containers on Ubuntu @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJTN-jeD2KY
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: From Pets to Cattle: Revolutionizing Edge Computing with Screenly's Edge Apps @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeIkJD3cTtw
[21:56] <Bashing-om> UWN: Up for my Saturday wrap-up for 816.
[23:20] <Bashing-om> UWN: Saturday completed - saved and out.


[00:16] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: and the stanza for source/modules/lilv/serd-0.24.0/tests/TurtleTests/LICENSE is wrong, it should be listed as the license for the other files in that directory, not for the LICENSE file itself ;)
[01:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: android-platform-tools-apksig (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.8-2~18.04 => 0.8-2ubuntu1~18.04] (no packageset) (sync)
[01:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: android-platform-tools-apksig (cosmic-proposed/universe) [0.8-2~18.04 => 0.8-2ubuntu1~18.04] (no packageset) (sync)
[01:11] <tdaitx> I would highly appreciate if anyone with the right powers want to approve android-platform-tools-apksig  0.8-2ubuntu1~18.04 copied from ppa:openjdk-11-transition/android-tools to bionic-proposed and cosmic-proposed
[01:11] <tdaitx> the bug fix is https://launchpad.net/bugs/1821235 and it just updated the '-source 8' to '--release 8' so that java classes are actually compatible with openjdk 8 runtime
[01:11] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1821235 in android-platform-tools-apksig (Ubuntu) "java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: com/android/apksigner/ApkSignerTool has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0" [Undecided,New]
[01:33] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I'll go ahead and make those fixes.
[02:00] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Eliminated the stanza at line 48, since the entire Hylia project is done by falktx as well. I don't know why it was attributed to Ableton AG.
[02:01] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: As such, I also edited the stanza at line 10.
[02:09] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Pushed changes, however, as I realize you're on vacation, I'll have to bug others now.
[02:12] <Eickmeyer> apw, infinity, RAOF, cjwatson stgraber? Anybody wanna take a crack at carla? It's in the NEW queue, but I just pushed changes to https://launchpad.net/carla for the copyright file errors vorlon mentioned above.
[20:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-1001.1]
[20:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (disco-proposed) [5.0.0-1001.1]
[22:25] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: one last discrepancy, source/modules/rtmidi shows up as MIT/X11 license but is not documented such in debian/copyright
[22:57] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: otherwise, I've confirmed that all the licenses listed in the source are GPL-compatible, so this looks distributable; if you can fix that last missing copyright/license statement, I can re-sponsor and accept
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I'm on it.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Done, tags pushed.


[00:20] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: do you think you can mark me as essential in meeting 21071? (community-r-ubuntuonair)
[00:21] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, can't you do it directly?
[00:22] <JoseeAntonioR> jono_: nope, summit is now restricting participation essential marking to the people specified, you're one
[00:22] <JoseeAntonioR> that way we avoid people marking theirselves as essential, and getting the scheduler crazy
[00:22] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, you do it in the blueprint
[00:22] <jono_> JoseeAntonioR, which BP?
[00:22] <JoseeAntonioR> that's "very interested in attending", not essential
[00:23] <JoseeAntonioR> community-r-ubuntuonair or http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21071/community-r-ubuntuonair/
[00:26] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: how does this new participation essential feature works?
[00:53] <nigelb> cjohnston: Happy Birthday!
[01:25] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: it works exactly as it did before, except that we added an additional layer of priority within summit only
[01:25] <JoseeAntonioR> well
[01:25] <mhall119> so it will try to schedule around everybody marked as participation essential in launchpad
[01:26] <mhall119> but, after that, it will schedule them with conflicts as long as there isn't a conflict with the higher priority
[01:28] <JoseeAntonioR> mhall119: is that participation essential known as very interested in attending?
[01:28] <mhall119> yes
[01:28] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, got it!
[05:03] <jono_> cjohnston, happy birthday!
[05:03] <chilicuil> weee, happy birthday
[05:06] <JoseeAntonioR> cjohnston: happy birthday!
[06:52] <bkerensa> cjohnston: happy birthday
[06:53] <bkerensa> cjohnston: I am going to give you a very unique bday gift ;p
[06:57] <bkerensa> cjohnston: Enjoy :)
[07:04] <jussi> bkerensa: what is it, extra work? :P
[07:04] <jussi> cjohnston: Happy "feel really old" day. :D
[07:04]  * jussi hugs cjohnston
[07:04] <bkerensa> jussi: nah I gave him a Facebook Gift which also means he can now give Facebook Gifts so he joins a small group of people who have the feature :)
[07:05] <jussi> facebook :/
[07:05] <bkerensa> jussi: LOL
[07:05] <popey> morning ratfans
[07:06] <jussi> morning popey
[07:06] <bkerensa> popey: morning
[07:06] <philipballew> Facebook has gifts?
[07:07] <philipballew> learn something new everyday...
[07:09] <bkerensa> philipballew: https://www.facebook.com/about/gifts
[07:09] <bkerensa> :)
[07:12] <philipballew> Its all about Myspace
[07:13] <popey> never. ever. using. that.
[07:13] <philipballew> https://new.myspace.com/
[07:13] <bkerensa> popey: why not? its pretty cool you can even buy stuff from London or order a friend a Limo or Town Car
[07:13] <bkerensa> and it just shows up to their house when they schedule it
[07:14] <popey> I can already do that without bolting facebook on
[07:14] <popey> not that I'd ever want to buy a limo for someone else
[07:14] <bkerensa> popey: I think its more of a "oh jeez its my brother in laws birthday what will I do and then you click button"
[07:15] <popey> Sure, it has a use for people whose view of the internet is "facebook.com"
[07:15] <bkerensa> popey: it asks you if you want to buy gifts anytime any friend has a birthday or gets married
[07:15] <philipballew> Id rather mail a card bkerensa
[07:15] <bkerensa> philipballew: you can do that too
[07:15] <bkerensa> :)
[07:15] <bkerensa> or a bottole of champagne
[07:15] <bkerensa> bottle*
[07:15] <philipballew> Computers are lame
[07:16] <philipballew> the internet is lame
[07:16] <bkerensa> philipballew: it thinks you like this http://awesomescreenshot.com/062ix651c
[07:16] <bkerensa> :P
[07:17] <philipballew> Ill buy you a facebook gift bkerensa  if you do my calculus homework!
[07:18] <bkerensa> :s
[07:18] <philipballew> my calc proff is making me use excel.
[07:18] <philipballew> the whole going to the library and using their desktops to run it is kinda getting old.
[07:19] <philipballew> Might have to get some funky wine thing going or actually install libreoffice again.
[07:19] <bkerensa> heh
[07:20] <philipballew> My ideal office set up is something that looks like ms office 95, and takes up about as much ram
[07:21] <philipballew> like open office before they started to "try to look cool"
[07:30] <dholbach> good morning
[07:35] <dholbach> cjohnston, happy birthday! :)
[07:50] <popey> pffft who needs facebook gifts...
[07:50] <popey>                  66666
[07:50] <popey>                __|||||__   H A P P Y
[07:50] <popey>               {._._._._.}     B I R T H D A Y  !
[07:50] <popey>             __{._._._._.}__
[07:50] <popey>            `~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
[07:50] <dholbach> :)
[07:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:52] <dholbach> hey popey, hey czajkowski :)
[10:06] <czajkowski> hmm no dmp
[10:06] <czajkowski> dpm
[10:09] <dholbach> czajkowski, yeah, he said something about two bank holidays in Spain
[10:10] <czajkowski> ah cool
[10:27] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/10/12/back-to-school-in-limerick/  me almost 18 years ago :)
[10:28] <cjohnston> thanks all, and thanks bkerensa
[12:50] <dholbach> and pleia2 is already in Ghana :)
[13:03] <IdleOne> Happy birthday cjohnston :)
[13:03]  * IdleOne sends hugs to Ghana c/o pleia2
[13:15] <cjohnston> ty IdleOne
[13:26]  * popey hugs jcastro_
[13:26]  * popey sends jcastro_ to Ghana
[13:27] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:27] <jcastro_> heh
[13:39] <cjohnston> czajkowski: ping
[13:40] <czajkowski> cjohnston: pong
[13:41] <cjohnston> czajkowski: if you want to give me a name, description and times, I'll get the lp workshops setup
[13:41] <czajkowski> cjohnston: ack will do
[13:41] <czajkowski> does it have to be done today or will Monday do ?
[13:41]  * cjohnston leaves tomorrow for 8 days
[13:41] <czajkowski> tuesday / thursday
[13:41] <czajkowski> &
[13:42] <czajkowski> times we're not fussed on as we can I think work around it but that will depend on the squads
[13:42] <czajkowski> and they are called Launchpad Workshops
[13:44] <cjohnston> czajkowski: who needs to be required to them
[13:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: see thats the bit I cant give
[13:46] <cjohnston> ok
[13:46] <czajkowski> we have 19 devs there and some will go to one and the others the other half
[13:46] <czajkowski> cjohnston: but for sure put me and gmb down
[13:47] <czajkowski> and we can sort it out from there
[13:47] <cjohnston> czajkowski: do you want one morning and one afternoon or both at the same time
[13:47] <czajkowski> cjohnston: aye one morning and one afternoon might be handy
[13:47] <czajkowski> cjohnston: are these going to be set in stone now
[13:48] <cjohnston> czajkowski: they are on the schedule, they can be moved around for a bit
[13:48] <czajkowski> grand cheeers
[13:50] <cjohnston> czajkowski: I can't mark gmb because he hasnt registered
[13:51] <czajkowski>  bah
[13:53] <czajkowski> cjohnston: he's doing that now
[13:53] <czajkowski> he did the evntbrite but no the LP
[13:54] <cjohnston> ty
[13:54] <cjohnston> remind me later and ill make sure he gets added please
[14:15] <jcastro_> didrocks: I am all set now
[14:15] <jcastro_> thanks!
[14:15] <jcastro_> I forgot all the kb shortcuts, heh
[14:15] <didrocks> jcastro_: yw! :)
[14:15] <jcastro_> I think I'll just print the configs
[14:15] <didrocks> jcastro_: alt + a to go to latest activities
[14:15] <didrocks> (where you are pinged first, then channel with new text, then channels with new join/quit)
[14:16] <jcastro_> ah ok
[14:16] <didrocks> alt + number to jump to a particular number :)
[14:16] <jcastro_> yeah I remember now
[14:16] <didrocks> ctrl + n / ctrl + p to just to next/previous chan
[14:17] <didrocks> and that's it for what I use, ctrl + R to search in the buffer
[14:17] <jcastro_> it's like riding a bike
[14:17] <didrocks> heh ;)
[14:17] <jcastro_> I was also too lazy to remove bip-
[14:17] <didrocks> \o/
[14:18] <didrocks> ah also, to jump to something like buffer 42
[14:18] <didrocks> alt + j + 4 + 2
[14:18] <jcastro_> I endevour to keep less than 10 buffers
[14:18] <jcastro_> if I do, I start to quit things
[14:18] <didrocks> waow
[14:18] <didrocks> that's impressive :)
[14:18] <jcastro_> I think ajmitch had like 79 or something one time I saw it
[14:18] <jcastro_> I was like, you're crazy
[14:18] <mhall119> you guys talking about irssi?
[14:19] <didrocks> this one is my last as you saw, and it's 23 public chans
[14:19] <didrocks> mhall119: weechat
[14:19] <jcastro_> mhall119: it's like irssi
[14:19] <mhall119> same difference
[14:19] <didrocks> but better of course :p
[14:19] <mhall119> I start to cull buffers when I hit triple-digits
[14:19] <jcastro_> yeah so my web irc host died, and I needed to find something
[14:19] <jcastro_> and was slumming in xchat
[14:19] <didrocks> mhall119: really or jocking? :)
[14:19] <mhall119> really
[14:19] <didrocks> you are crazy!
[14:19]  * mhall119 currently has 87 open
[14:20] <mhall119> on, like, 4 networks
[14:20] <mhall119> this is why I love irssi
[14:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:20] <mhall119> nigelb probably has more than me
[14:20] <didrocks> 4 networks here as well, but I'm saner than you :p
[14:21] <didrocks> or even… more sane ;)
[14:21] <nigelb> 94, 4 networks.
[14:22] <mhall119> pleia2 would beat us all, I'm sure, but she's in ghana
[14:22] <didrocks> mhall119: just 7, you can do it man! :)
[14:22] <mhall119> no
[14:22] <mhall119> I literally can't
[14:22] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:23] <mhall119> hey didrocks, why are there so few desktop blueprints so far?
[14:23] <didrocks> mhall119: because quantal is crazy
[14:23] <nigelb> lol
[14:23] <didrocks> mhall119: so the last minutes about we had to do
[14:23] <smartboyhw> didrocks, good explanation:D
[14:23] <mhall119> lies, quantal is stable and smooth
[14:23] <didrocks> between firefox, thunderbird, unity, unity and unity :p
[14:23]  * didrocks finally is trying to rest now that the legal notice is in
[14:24] <smartboyhw> didrocks, yeah:D
[14:24] <mhall119> have we implemented popup-ads in Unity yet?  Or are we still waiting on the flash ones?
[14:24] <mhall119> :)
[14:24]  * mhall119 stops causing trouble now
[14:24] <didrocks> mhall119: flash running inside chrome or safari, we didn't decide yet :p
[14:25] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:25] <mhall119> you saw the Unity2D's embedded browser, right?
[14:25] <didrocks> yeah, it's neat
[14:25] <mhall119> I'm going to try and get that guy moved onto Nux
[14:25] <didrocks> won't be that easy nux, but I like it :)
[14:25] <didrocks> in*
[14:26] <didrocks> he needs to implements a new renderer
[14:26] <mhall119> He's really good, did a lot of stuff with Qt for 2D on the TV side
[14:26] <mhall119> he'll be at UDS too
[14:26] <didrocks> I'm just a little bit afraid about having webkit inside the unity, and so, the compiz process :p
[14:26] <didrocks> oh great!
[14:26] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:26] <jcastro_> that will do wonders for the build times!
[14:26] <mhall119> stuff everthing inside of Compiz, it can take it
[14:27] <didrocks> jcastro_: I'll pet my i7 even more TBH (from 50 minutes to ~ 5 minutes now)
[14:27] <mhall119> WebKit compiz plugin
[14:27] <mhall119> I wonder how much it would cost to spin up a large EC2 just to build Unity
[14:27] <didrocks> mhall119: sure sure, time to add some system service process :)
[14:27] <didrocks> die init, welcome compiz as PID 1!
[14:27] <mhall119> didrocks: can't we just move compiz+unity into the kernel?
[14:27] <didrocks> not that much TBH
[14:28] <didrocks> mhall119: this is LTS material :)
[14:28] <mhall119> it worked so well for Windows NT
[14:28] <didrocks> heh
[14:28] <mhall119> I'm sure nobody would mind
[14:29] <didrocks> yep ;)
[14:59] <jono> dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, mhall119 will be two mins and then will set the hangout up
[14:59] <mhall119> ok
[15:00] <dholbach> cool
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro_, balloons, mhall119 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/296029f190f4b26894726ad602c3b07493a839c7?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:00] <smartboyhw> That is less than two minutes jono
[15:00] <smartboyhw> :D
[15:00] <jono> smartboyhw, :-)
[15:00] <jono> efficient :-)
[15:01] <smartboyhw> jono, good:-)
[15:41] <czajkowski> mhall119: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/10/softball-sized-eyeball-washes-up-on-florida-beach/
[15:49] <mhall119> ew
[15:49] <smartboyhw> ej
[15:49] <smartboyhw> *eh
[16:35] <BrokenThumb> cjohnston; Congratulations!
[16:38] <cjohnston> what did i do
[16:42] <popey> cjohnston, you successfully completed another orbit of Sol. Well done you!
[16:42] <cjohnston> oh.. that
[16:42] <cjohnston> lol
[16:56] <dholbach> alright my friends - big hugs to all of you - have a great WE
[16:56] <jono> jcastro_, can you give ma 30m, I need a breather after two hours of calls
[16:57] <jcastro_> yeah I need to eat chow
[16:57] <jcastro_> no worries
[16:57] <jcastro_> I'll be short today
[16:57] <jcastro_> 10 min tops of awesome.
[16:57] <jcastro_> ok, well, _maybe_ I have 15 minutes of awesome in a 10 pound bag
[17:00] <jono> jcastro_, np
[17:00] <jono> lol
[17:29] <BrokenThumb> popey; +1 ;-)
[17:30] <jono> hey folks
[17:31] <jono> jcastro_, ok, about set
[17:34] <jcastro_> ok!
[17:34] <jono> jcastro_, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ead6235b8b7e14f1e8314a79569c097caf7796a5?authuser=0&hl=en-US


[04:43] <Pray3r> Hello, I want to test the kernel(http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.7-rc3-yakkety/) on my ubuntu system, but I do not find this kernel's dbgsym package. Could you tell me where it is?
[14:06] <apw> xnox, hey i hear that you have a fix for the python3 launchpadlib Keyerror business with oauth ?
[14:07] <henrix> apw: i believe you're looking for this: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/launchpadlib/fix-1471927/+merge/264480
[14:08] <henrix> (i had the same prob last week)
[14:11] <apw> henrix, that does the trick, xnox who needs a kick to get that out
[15:24] <dsmythies> The mainline PPA builds for kernel 4.7-rc4 failed, permissions issues. Is there anyone here willing to get the builds done so the .debs are available? Reference: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.7-rc4-yakkety/
[16:01] <apw> dsmythies, hmmm
[17:30] <apw> dsmythies, that might be happier
[18:22] <dsmythies> apw, thanks very much.


[18:07] <tomreyn> Hi there. I'm trying to get better performance out of an RX580 on 16.04 with Ryzen 1800X (32 GB RAM), running I've got this Ryzen CPU (1800X) with 32 GB of RAM running mainline kernel 4.10.15-041015 (I have to since the CPU is not fully stable on the hwe-edge kernel and earlier).
[18:08] <tomreyn> I test using the "Shadows of Mordor" game. Its benchmark reports an average of 15 FPS at my native full screen resolution of 3440x1440.
[18:10] <tomreyn> I'm already using the ubuntu-x-swat/updates repository.
[18:11] <tomreyn> It's stable (which I understan is an achievement by itself), just not performing well. Any suggestions?
[18:11] <tjaalton> so you have a hybrid machine?
[18:11] <tomreyn> tjaalton: hybrid how?
[18:11] <tjaalton> hmm or not
[18:11] <tjaalton> ryzen has no iGPU?
[18:12] <tomreyn> no, not the current generation
[18:12] <tjaalton> k
[18:12] <tomreyn> APUs are yet to come
[18:12] <tjaalton> so it's using hw accel?
[18:12] <tjaalton> check glxinfo
[18:13] <tomreyn> glxinfo -B http://paste.ubuntu.com/24582240/
[18:13] <tomreyn> "Accelerated: yes"
[18:13] <tjaalton> right
[18:14] <tjaalton> maybe the driver isn't properly optimized yet in 17.0
[18:14] <tomreyn> the game detects an RX450/480, as does lspci
[18:15] <tjaalton> maybe ask on #radeon
[18:15] <tomreyn> oops i wasnt even aware that exists, thanks


[00:00] <jtaylor> you can only sync if the ubuntu change is not needed anymore
[00:00] <jtaylor> please explain why in the syncrequest
[00:00] <jtaylor> must leave, bye
[00:03] <arges> yup. need to push stuff to debian first before sync it seems
[00:03] <arges> likewise, time to make some dinner
[00:34]  * ScottK sits back and waits for xnox to fix ALL the things.
[04:22] <ESphynx> W: libecerecom0: extended-description-line-too-long
[04:22] <ESphynx> I: libecerecom0: extended-description-is-probably-too-short
[04:22] <ESphynx> Seriously???
[04:24] <micahg> hehe
[04:24] <micahg> ESphynx: pastebin please?
[04:31] <ESphynx> micahg of what?
[04:31] <ESphynx> The control file?
[04:31] <micahg> yes
[04:31] <ESphynx> https://raw.github.com/ecere/sdk/ppa/debian/debian/control
[04:32] <ESphynx> I'm in the process of reverting to my previous descriptions that I had myself carefully wrapped (To avoid these stupid lintian msgs I think)
[04:32] <ESphynx> in fact, I'm ready to commit it :P
[04:32] <micahg> ESphynx: wrap-and-sort is your friend
[04:33] <ESphynx> micahg: No it's not.
[04:33] <ESphynx> micahg: I ran it!
[04:33] <ESphynx> it didn't do $#1^
[04:33] <micahg> hrm, I thought it did descriptions...
[04:33] <micahg> ESphynx: well, wrap at or before 80 char and you'll be fine
[04:33] <ESphynx> that's what I was told . that's why I bothered changing this at all
[04:33] <ESphynx> i was wrapping way before, but someone complained it was too short.
[04:34] <ESphynx> (wrapping too short)
[04:35] <ESphynx> "Those starting with a single space are part of a paragraph. Successive lines of this form will be word-wrapped when displayed. The leading space will usually be stripped off. The line must contain at least one non-whitespace character."
[04:36] <ESphynx> If the lines will be word wrapped, why does lintian still complain that they are short/long ?
[04:38] <ESphynx> A full stop -- that is a period eh?
[04:40] <ESphynx> wrap-and-sort does nothing with either the long lines, or the shortly wrapped lines
[04:40] <ESphynx> unless my wrap-and-sort is too old
[04:45] <micahg> ESphynx: I checked the man page, it doesn't say it does
[04:45] <ESphynx> ah :| guess one is just under that impression :P
[04:45] <ESphynx> Hey so say I want to target unstable instead of experimental , I just update the most recent entry in my changelog?
[04:46] <ESphynx> And for Ubuntu, if I want this to be an SRU, should I write raring or quantal in the new changelog entry?
[04:48] <ESphynx> or should the whole changelog say raring / unstable?
[04:53] <micahg> ESphynx: you can sync from unstable/experimental to raring
[04:53] <ScottK> ESphynx: It has to be fixed in raring before it can be an SRU.
[05:06] <ESphynx> ScottK: right... but I'm still keeping an ubuntu changelog for my Launchpad PPA
[05:06] <ESphynx> but in the Debian changelog, the last entry can say unstable, and the previous one experimental?
[05:11] <ScottK> Yes.
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[08:16] <ESphynx> good morning =)
[08:16] <ESphynx> dholbach: where in the world are you? I always get your good morning wishes when when I'm staying up way too late =(
[08:17] <ESphynx> build issues tend to do that =(
[08:18] <dholbach> ESphynx, Berlin, Germany
[08:24] <ESphynx> ah =) I'm in canada
[08:58] <astraljava> It's usually worrying enough if you're still up when pitti hails his morning wishes. If you're _still_ up when dholbach does, you know you're bad. :)
[09:00] <dholbach> ok, I've got to start earlier in the morning, best with pitti - to make people feel a bit less bad
[09:01] <astraljava> Well, most people need to snooze the alarm in the mornings, too, so I guess it might work when going to bed as well. :)
[09:17] <ESphynx> what would be the best way to install stuff ensuring directories 777 permissions is preserved? I want to copy my samples directory and the user needs writing permission in there...
[09:35] <cjwatson> that's a fairly explicit policy violation; my recommendation would be to find some other way to solve the problem
[09:35] <cjwatson> e.g. have the user take their own copy
[09:40] <ESphynx> cjwatson is it? only on directories though :|
[09:40] <ESphynx> it's just annoying if the user open up a sample and it doesn't build because the makefile can't be generated...
[09:41] <cjwatson> It's a policy violation because it means that on a multi-user system the contents of that directory are completely untrustable
[09:42] <cjwatson> Every other package I can think of like this documents that the user needs to take their own copy in order to play with it
[09:42] <cjwatson> I recommend doing the same
[09:42] <ESphynx> hmm
[09:42] <ESphynx> well I'll keep this for my make install
[09:42] <ESphynx> but I'll consider doing something different if DEB_PKG is defined
[09:43] <ESphynx> though I don't know how I could inform the user :S
[09:43] <cjwatson> put a README in the same directory?
[09:43] <ESphynx> yeah most uers don't read README :P
[09:43] <cjwatson> tough
[09:43] <ESphynx> first thing I should is improve on that error
[09:44] <cjwatson> I certainly consider anything in the Ubuntu archive that ships mode 777 directories to be critically buggy, although it's not something we scan for
[09:44] <ESphynx> right now it's really bad
[09:44] <ESphynx> OK I'll keep note of that :P
[09:44] <ESphynx> Is that something I should fix right now? even though it's 4:44 AM and i've been trying to get this package update ready the whole day? =)
[09:45] <cjwatson> It must be fixed before it can go into the Ubuntu archive, although surely dh_fixperms overrides the permissions to something sane anyway
[09:45] <ESphynx> lintian doesn't warn about it , btw
[09:45] <ESphynx> it's already in the Ubuntu archive...
[09:45] <cjwatson> package name?
[09:45] <ESphynx> is that gonna get me an auto-deletion
[09:45] <ESphynx> :P
[09:46] <ESphynx> if it's really considered critical, I'll fix it for this package i'm building today
[09:46] <cjwatson> if this is ecere-samples, I'm not seeing any mode 777 directories in the version in the archive
[09:47] <ESphynx> It is ecere-samples :P
[09:47] <cjwatson> then there is no bug right now as far as I can see; the samples directories aren't world-writable
[09:48] <cjwatson> which would also explain why lintian isn't saying anything
[09:48] <ESphynx> ok... in fact i had other dirs which I did not mean to be world-writable world-writable, and samples were not... but the pkg install might be overriding that
[09:49] <cjwatson> as I say, dh_fixperms generally overrides non-policy-compliant permissions
[09:50] <ESphynx> right.
[11:21] <bdrung> dholbach: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring-stats/ seems to be not updated for the last few weeks
[11:21] <dholbach> yes, I noticed
[11:21] <dholbach> it's on my list
[11:21] <bdrung> okay
[11:22] <bdrung> dholbach: thanks for writing the sponsors queue alert
[11:22] <dholbach> anytime
[11:22]  * dholbach goes and schedules the next month of pilots
[11:23]  * bdrung made sure that there are no open sync requests
[11:42] <Laney> dholbach: are you able to set reminders when you schedule pilots?
[11:43] <Laney> I just found out I missed mine yesterday :(
[11:43] <Laney> a reminder that morning would have been cool beans
[11:43]  * Laney will do it this afternoon instead
[11:43] <dholbach> Laney, it depends on how you set up google cal I think
[11:43] <dholbach> the script I use sets up a reminder
[11:43] <Laney> it had a 1 day one, which I assume was done by you
[11:44] <Laney> but that's long enough that I forgot :(
[11:45] <Laney> I should have moved it to a specific part of the day - will do that in future
[11:46] <dholbach> the 1-day reminder is done by a script
[14:11] <roaksoax>  /win 3
[17:53] <Quintasan> bdrung: nudge to sign my key
[18:03] <bobweaver> Hello there awesome motu people :) I have a simple question about packaging plugin's for say gimp. (making example brb)
[18:04] <bobweaver> say I want to make this into a package   http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter/blobs/master/qmlexporter.py
[18:04] <bobweaver> that has to go to ~/.gimp/plugins/   right but that is under the users home dir is that not allowed in debian policy ?
[18:04] <bobweaver> how to get around something like that ?
[18:05] <jtaylor> when something needs to go into home it should do so at runtime
[18:05] <jtaylor> e.g. on first run
[18:06] <bobweaver> jtaylor,  sorry I am not sure that I understand. Are you saying that I should write some sorta something that says, if 1st time launched do X ? If so how to do something like that ? thanks
[18:06] <tumbleweed> why not just install it into /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins ? does it *have* to be in the user's plugin dir?
[18:07] <tumbleweed> (that's just a guess as to the corret plugin dir, but I'm assuming there's a system wide one for python plugins...)
[18:07] <bobweaver> tumbleweed,  IDNK but what I do know is that you are awesome and that should work I would think
[18:07] <bobweaver> that is what I also thought but I was un-sure if there was and also pondering the idea of having to put something in $HOME
[18:07] <bobweaver> I love this Channel !!!!
[18:08] <tumbleweed> heh
[18:08] <bobweaver> Thanks jtaylor  and tumbleweed
[18:40] <bobweaver> Hello its me again :)  would someone be so kind to look over this setup.py  (it is my 1st one ever) I am not sure what the last line does but it was in a example so I left it there thanks again :)
[18:40] <bobweaver> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1340531/
[18:44] <jtaylor> is the license correct?
[18:44] <bobweaver> yeah it is gpl3
[18:45] <bobweaver> or at least that is what header says in script
[18:45] <jtaylor> shouldn#t it be GPLv3+ then?
[18:45] <bobweaver> had to dig to find email
[18:45] <bobweaver> Not sure jtaylor  this is 1st time with setup.py I was using example from .....
[18:46] <bobweaver> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/unity-scope-mythtv/view/head:/setup.py
[18:46] <jtaylor> hm pypi has 3415 gpls and only 8 GPLv2+ so probably nobody cars
[18:46] <jtaylor> I'd still stick with the correct string
[18:46] <bobweaver> I would love too
[18:47] <bobweaver> that is why I am here is to ask these questions I really want to learn 'why' things are done and best practice
[18:47] <bobweaver> I am changing that line
[18:47] <bobweaver> This is what I have atp
[18:47] <bobweaver> license="GNU General Public License 3(GPLv3)",
[18:48] <bobweaver> Looking good ?
[18:48] <jtaylor> is it v3 or v3+?
[18:49] <bobweaver> Not sure good question
[18:49] <jtaylor> v3 only is not good
[18:49] <jtaylor> if there is an incompatible v4 you'Re screwed
[18:49] <bobweaver> wowie wowie that would not be good
[18:50] <bobweaver> thanks again jtaylor  :)
[19:12] <bobweaver> watch file goes as such
[19:12] <bobweaver> version=1
[19:12] <bobweaver> https://github.com/qt-labs/gimp-qmlexporter/tags .*/tarball/(\d[\d\.]+)
[19:12] <bobweaver> any good ?
[19:12] <bobweaver> my 1st watch file ^^^
[19:13] <bobweaver> oh i see error
[19:25] <bobweaver> Yes it all worked !  Now how do I get this into debian so that it can make its way to Ubuntu ?
[20:19] <mfisch> Laney: I responded to your comment on the tiff3 update
[20:36] <bdrung> Quintasan: signing the keys is on my todo list. :) have you signed mine? *hint, hint*
[20:37] <ajmitch> so impatient :)
[21:52] <alo21> hi
[21:52] <alo21> can someone says me if davfs2 could be dropped?
[21:53] <alo21> debian: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/davfs2/current/changelog LP: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/davfs2/1.4.6-1ubuntu3