[00:19] <bkc_> if you want a hint on pre-installed software, I'd go here http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs and look under "Default applications"
[00:19] <bkc_> :)
[00:19] <bkc_> but as anything #tablet or #phone, it's not set in stone until release :)
[00:19] <bkc_> or even OEM-release ;)
[00:54] <doomlord> whats the status of ubuntu for tablets , i've seen somethign about ubuntu running on an n7..
[00:54] <doomlord> are there many tweaks for touch input.. i think i saw 3-finger drag for window movement ... i wondered if it would get 4 finger gestures for accessing desktops (triggering expo zoom-out)
[00:57] <bkc_> thursday
[00:57] <bkc_> release is on thursday :)
[01:00] <colonelqubit> bkc_:  I'm sure gecko can run on ARM -- consider FirefoxOS (or whatever it's been branded as these days :-)
[01:01] <bkc_> yes, I remembered that juuust as I hit enter :P
[01:01] <colonelqubit> gotta run
[01:01] <colonelqubit> fun chatting w/y'all...
[01:07] <doomlord> oh. wow. press release
[01:07] <doomlord> available for N10. i need one!
[01:16] <doomlord> so lets get this straight - an N10 with ubuntu tablet and external keyboard becomes a true gnu-linux desktop machine? running gcc toolchain etc?
[01:16] <bkc_> perhaps
[01:17] <bkc_> nobody (except for canonical and the dev-team) knows what the phone/tablet version will include/have :)
[01:19] <doomlord> i'm debating an n10 purchase - the hardware is nice- but if you can turn the thing into a'true' computer then i'll  stop dithering and get one
[01:19] <bkc_> there's always ubuntu-arm if all else fails :)
[01:19] <M4rtinK> well, you can install and use GCC & co on a N900 or N9
[01:20] <doomlord> the video is encouraging. thats definitely how things shuld work
[01:20] <M4rtinK> so why not on an Ubuntu running N10
[01:20] <M4rtinK> that reminds me how I used an Ubunctu chroot running under WebOS on HP Touchpad
[01:21] <M4rtinK> to compile Qt Components
[01:21] <doomlord> ubuntu-arm runs on n7.. anything else?
[01:21] <M4rtinK> ...while sitting in a restaurant eating toasts :)
[01:21] <M4rtinK> doomlord: nobody knows :)
[01:21] <doomlord> i have seen viids on n7
[01:21] <bkc_> n7 and n10 is basically the same device but with a larger screen... just like iPhone vs iPad :)
[01:21] <doomlord> n10 is diffferent chipset i think
[01:22] <doomlord> tegra3 vs otherr
[01:22] <doomlord> n7 is tegra3
[01:22] <doomlord> n10 is definitely not
[01:23] <doomlord> wow i want to throw my ipad out of the window now
[01:24] <bkc_> huuh, N10 and N7 are different vendors too o.O
[01:24] <doomlord> right asus/samsung
[01:25] <bkc_> TIL :D
[01:25] <doomlord> i wondered how far people could get adapting desktop apps to work on a touchscreen... i know it isn't ideal but you can see various things moving toward taller buttons
[01:26] <doomlord> and i always thought the 'expo/scale' concept would work really well on a touchscreen for task switching
[01:26] <doomlord> imagine pinch gestures for that
[01:27] <nOStahl> I'm excited for docking the phone into a tablet shell
[01:27] <nOStahl> hope to see laptop shells to
[01:27] <doomlord> i have an urge to join #iphone and ask if you can install ubuntu there
[01:27] <bkc_> DOET! :D
[01:27] <bkc_> I'll join in ^.^
[01:28] <doomlord> ok im there
[01:28] <nOStahl> I have an iPhone 5, you cannot install it doom lord sorry to rain on your parade
[01:28] <bkc_> but you can on an iPhone 2G :)
[01:28] <bkc_> and 3G iirc
[01:28] <doomlord> damn i'm blocked already there lol
[01:28] <doomlord> forgot about that
[01:29] <bkc_> http://www.idroidproject.org/
[01:29] <bkc_> blocked? :P
[01:29] <bkc_> how'd'ya do that? :P
[01:29] <doomlord> yeah i aasked some other questions they didnt like i think
[01:29] <bkc_> apple fags ^.^
[01:29] <doomlord> well not so much the questions just my persistent nature
[01:29] <doomlord> some people can't handle the truth i guess
[01:31] <bkc_> lol, well, there's #idroid-dev too :)
[02:08] <doomlord> anyone here familiar with ubuntu arm then? :)
[02:20] <bkc_> doomlord: yes and no :)
[02:35] <doomlord> been porting code to android... looking forward to installing ubuntu phone and ditching the stupid java stubs
[13:11] <om26er> if swipe from the right brings in the sidestage how do you quickly move between two running apps like on the phone ?
[13:26] <Ben__> Hello
[13:26] <Ben__> I saw you are making an OS for Tablets
[13:27] <Ben__> I have a Nexus 7 and was curious to what all you can do with Ubuntu on it
[13:27] <Ben__> such as, does the GPS work? NFC? Front Camera? etc..
[13:29] <Ben__> hello?
[14:01] <GuidoPallemas> try #ubuntu-phone, the tablet source will take some time
[14:52] <thebishop> can't wait to install ubuntu tablet on my Nexus7, but the UI video makes me think it'll be a bit nicer on a 10"
[14:53] <nOStahl> I'm sure its responsive :)
[15:07] <thebishop> the nexus7 is a pretty powerful little tablet, i'm more concerned with the UI design decisions.  they look good, but maybe better suited for 10"  i guess i'll find out tomorrow
[15:14] <Walther> When will the iamges/source be available btw?
[15:14] <Walther> I can't wait to isntall the thing on my nexus 7
[15:38] <thebishop> i read thursday on arstechnica
[15:44] <thebishop> today PS4, tomorrow Ubuntu Tablet.  nice week for tech
[15:45] <thebishop> now if only Samsung would announce release details on the new Series 7 Chronos, my tech life for the next year would be complete
[16:39] <mrtharepist> hey, any idea if the ability of Ubuntu to use C in development will make it easier to develop for iOS and Ubuntu mobile?
[16:48] <doomlord> i thinkso
[16:48] <doomlord> oh wait let me reithink the question..
[16:49] <doomlord> easier to develop FOR iOS,  i initially speed read it as "easier to develop for than iOS"
[16:49] <doomlord> i think it will be easier to do crossplatform between iOS & ubuntu-mobile since c,c++,objC are all availalbe on both,compared to the strange Java setup in android
[16:50] <doomlord> and i think ubuntu-mobile will be easier to develop for as you have the full desktop on the device for debugging, compile-edit run cycle
[16:56] <doomlord> which is likely to be more stable & optimized: ubuntu-tablet on N7 or ubuntu-tablet on N10
[17:13] <thebishop> doomlord, don't you think the toolkits are more of a portability issue for android/iOS than the language?
[17:14] <thebishop> you could just as easily write Java on ubuntu+android and have portability problems with iOS
[17:14] <thebishop> i'd guess that is more likely than people doing objective C on Ubuntu
[17:14] <doomlord> yes you're right, but at least with the same language its easier to take a wine approach
[17:15] <doomlord> perhaps community will get behind cocotron ..
[17:17] <doomlord> i would personally like to see more increasingle touchfriendly desktop apps (think of machines like lenovo yoga, or transformer prime)
[17:17] <doomlord> phone/tablet/desktop ideally is just the size of the window
[17:19] <bkc_> mrtharepist: yes, UbuntuTablet/Phone will have Native Apps in C/C++ or with Ubuntu SDK (which is basically Qt with a custom theme)
[17:21] <bkc_> mrtharepist: Android/iOS/Ubuntu are have three totally different sets of SDKs, APIs and Languages (Java, Obj-C, C/C++/JS) so the portability-issue will still be there unless you do WebApps :)
[17:21] <bkc_> I hate it when I don't read the entire question ^.^
[17:22] <doomlord> need a nice crossplatform c++ gui built on pure opengl, then you could write once an run on ios,ndk ... but is thtat baasically what qt is?
[17:23] <bkc_> actually there is one :)
[17:23] <bkc_> It's called WebKit :D
[17:24] <mrtharepist> bkc_: but sharing libraries is not really possible between android/ios.
[17:25] <doomlord> all we really need is the ability to install ubuntu on more devices
[17:25] <mrtharepist> if you write c++ functions, you can use them for both.
[17:26] <bkc_> actually C-libs, C++ is a completely different mess in itself :)
[17:26] <doomlord> yeah i like to say c/c++
[17:26] <bkc_> doomlord: no, we need apache on every phone ^.^
[17:26] <bkc_> doomlord: huge difference when it comes to libs :)
[17:27] <doomlord> i'm not a c++ coder who hates c, i'm a c/c++ coder
[17:27] <doomlord> c++ is c with some extentions, some of which are useful
[17:28] <bkc_> yes, sort of...
[17:28] <mrtharepist> yeah. c++ is just a ++ version of c. with a bunch of object oriented fun.
[17:28] <doomlord> some of which is useful, some of which is irritating
[17:28] <bkc_> I use C++ "exclusively" in that I almost always compile with g++/clang++ instead of gcc/clang :)
[17:29] <bkc_> and I abuse classes/inheritance/templeting etc
[17:30] <doomlord> yeah i use a C++ compiler, and can't go back due to use of many features ,but a lot of code i write would be slated by advocates of some sort of pure pure C++
[17:30] <mrtharepist> IDK I was hoping that there would be a way to streamline the development process so that it makes it easier to go cross platform.
[17:30] <doomlord> i get the impression it might help
[17:31] <doomlord> e.g., with ubuntu phone you might find more community interest in contributing to cocotron (wine like port of apple apis)
[17:31] <mrtharepist> I have been learning obj-C because there is some serious money there.
[17:32] <mrtharepist> going to android's SDK has been so horrible. I am hoping ubuntu's SDK is better.
[17:33] <bkc_> well, you have a more flexible system under linux
[17:33] <doomlord> i've only used NDK .. written a tiny amount of java to hand values across to me wrapper
[17:34] <doomlord> not really serious use of android on my part
[17:43] <thebishop> mrtharepist, you don't like android's SDK?  i think it's great personally
[17:44] <Darkwing> Quick Q. With the images be up for Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 tomorrow or, just the Nexus 7?
[17:44] <thebishop> the callbacks for app state changes are a little weird, but i think you can largely build an app without them and then add them after the app is mostly solid
[17:45] <thebishop> Darkwing, Arstechnica reported images for both.  that's the most 'official' info i've seen
[17:45] <Darkwing> Okay cool.
[17:46] <Darkwing> Now if I can just find out for the Galaxy Nexus, if its only maguro or if toro will be subborted.
[18:08] <mhall119> Darkwing: only maguro from what I understand
[18:09] <Darkwing> That's what I thought too.
[18:09] <Darkwing> Thanks mhall119
[18:09] <mhall119> np
[18:09] <mhall119> also, both Nexus 7 and 8 (also N4 and GNex) images should all be available tomorrow
[18:10] <Darkwing> Okay. any date on source?
[18:10] <Darkwing> source code
[18:10] <mhall119> tomorrow
[18:10] <Darkwing> whoot
[18:10] <mhall119> everything goes out tomorrow
[18:10] <Darkwing> that means tomorrow I start hacking for toro
[18:10] <mhall119> \o/
[18:10] <Darkwing> having a toro I want it... bad.
[18:37] <SimpleBlue> sweet, a channel for tablets :)
[19:50] <ptl> <- Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 ready to receive new OSs!
[19:50] <ptl> please release it soon, bought them just for that!
[19:52] <Jonathan_R> i  have an exopc tablet and read about ubuntu for tablets. i currently am running opensuse but cant get multitouch to work. how would this be accomplished in ubuntu
[19:59] <thebishop> Jonathan_R, not that I have any insider info here, but that's more of a general linux question than an Ubuntu question i think.
[20:00] <thebishop> if the kernel supports your hardware, and there's a compatible xorg-input module, you should be good
[20:00] <Jonathan_R> you would think
[20:00] <thebishop> well i wouldn't expect every random tablet to 'just' work with tomorrow's preview release
[20:00] <Jonathan_R> i worked on the plasma active team doing troubleshooting and documentatin
[20:01] <thebishop> seems like there are a handful of (mostly Nexus) devices which have been tested heavily.  haven't seen any confirmation of anything else
[20:01] <thebishop> although there is a table of tablets on Ubuntu's radar:
[20:01] <Jonathan_R> but thus far have never gotten multitouch to work
[20:01] <Jonathan_R> the exopc is on the ubuntu tablet list
[20:03] <Jonathan_R> if i had a way to download the ubuntu tablet iso or something i could test it
[20:03] <Jonathan_R> or maybe theres a ppa to add to ubuntu
[20:28] <ericmcray> hello guys. can ask you few question about ubuntu for tablet?
[20:29] <k1l> just ask
[20:29] <GuidoPallemans> faq though: http://www.ubuntu.com/2013/02/press-pack-ubuntu-tablet/faq
[20:30] <k1l> if someone knows it you get the answer (maybe with some delay)
[20:30] <k1l> yes, the faq is quite handy
[20:33] <ericmcray> is it going to be possible install ubuntu to any tablet which can run android?
[20:34] <belak> Any idea when the tablet release will be out?
[20:35] <belak> I noticed that there's supposed to be a tablet dev preview relatively soon...
[20:36] <k1l> someone mentioned the code comes tomorrow with the phone code release. but im not sure if that is officially confirmed
[20:37] <netcurli> jono just confirmed that at the ubuntuonair hangout
[20:37] <ericmcray> from ubuntu web site: "The system code for phones and tablets will be published on Feb 21st under the normal Ubuntu process"
[20:37] <belak> "normal ubuntu process"?
[20:38] <netcurli> the code should be published in launchpad
[20:39] <k1l> thx, netcurli
[20:42] <ptl> at what time of day?
[20:42] <k1l> just before midnight form the next day
[20:44] <ptl> k1l :(
[20:51] <belak> Will just the code be released that day, or will a binary release be done as well?
[20:55] <netcurli> there should be also images for the nexus phones/tablets tomorrow
[20:57] <netcurli> and jono said, we could expect the dev release tomorrow afternoon european time
[20:57] <rob_w> will a "platform builder"  be available tomorrow ?
[20:57] <rob_w> or toolchain or such
[20:57] <belak> Score. I'm looking forward to playing with it on my N7
[20:57] <belak> First phone platform I'm really interested in
[20:58] <belak> Well, mobile platform
[20:58] <greenchris_> why can't they release it now :(
[20:58] <greenchris_> want to install it on my n4 and n7
[20:58] <belak> lol
[20:58] <greenchris_> :D
[20:59] <greenchris_> the first mobile platform i like more than android
[21:00] <belak> greenchris_: well, it still remains to be seen...
[21:00] <belak> ;)
[21:01] <greenchris_> yes...
[21:06] <Nexus7Guy> Yo!
[21:07] <Nexus7Guy> Can somoene help me with a user issue I have on my Ubuntu installation?
[21:07] <Nexus7Guy> Running on Nexus 7
[21:08] <Nexus7Guy> :/
[21:09] <belak> Nexus7Guy: well, it's almost impossible to help if you don't mention what the problem is
[21:09] <belak> ;)
[21:09] <Nexus7Guy> k. Well I have downloaded the preinstall image and now I cant login to root
[21:09] <Nexus7Guy> The only username thats avail at the login screen is Guest
[21:09] <Nexus7Guy> I cant execute any sudo commands under Guest to do anything about it
[21:10] <Nexus7Guy> I have tried logging in on thelogin screen to root with the password ubuntu but it just says authentication failed
[21:10] <Nexus7Guy> Any ideas on what I should do? :(
[21:11] <belak> Nexus7Guy: can you run sudo with the password ubuntu?
[21:12] <Nexus7Guy> Nope
[21:12] <Nexus7Guy> Because thers only the guest account which denys me access with root alltogether
[21:12] <belak> Well, that's my only idea... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/UsingTheDevice#sudo_password
[21:12] <Nexus7Guy> That wont work :( darn
[21:13] <belak> iirc there should have been a user named ubuntu, but it's been a while since I've tried...
[21:14] <Nexus7Guy> Hmm
[21:14] <Nexus7Guy> I have tried logging into username Ubuntu
[21:14] <Nexus7Guy> but I havent trie dmultiple passwords
[21:15] <belak> I may download it and try... so I can let you know what I run into
[21:15] <Nexus7Guy> Sweet!
[21:16] <Nexus7Guy> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current
[21:16] <Nexus7Guy> Got it from there :/
[21:16] <Nexus7Guy> No idea why I cant just login
[21:17] <Jonathan_R> i had to login as root
[21:17] <Jonathan_R> add the usergroup and member that was supposed to be created on install
[21:17] <Jonathan_R> then login as user
[21:18] <Nexus7Guy> Sadly I cant login to root :(
[21:18] <Nexus7Guy> Tried the password ubuntu but it just says no
[21:18] <Nexus7Guy> "/
[21:18] <Jonathan_R> can you get to termal?
[21:18] <Jonathan_R> sudo su -
[21:19] <Nexus7Guy> Yeah I can get to terminal but it denies me acess to sudo
[21:19]  * Jonathan_R doesnt like sudo
[21:19] <Nexus7Guy> ANd I have tried su and that just asks for password so I put in ubuntu ansd still no
[21:19] <Nexus7Guy> xD
[21:19] <k1l> dont use sudo su -. use sudo -i
[21:20] <Jonathan_R> i prefer su to sudo
[21:20] <Nexus7Guy> It says unable to change sudoers gid: Operation not permitted
[21:20] <k1l> Jonathan_R: its not the ubuntu way
[21:21] <Jonathan_R> what about getting to root via grub
[21:21] <Nexus7Guy> Not sure how I would go about editing a premade .img file
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> k1l, no, i suppose its not, but i never liked sudo
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> you dont Nexus7Guy
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> boot like normal
[21:22] <Jonathan_R> on grub i think its option 1
[21:22] <Nexus7Guy> Ahh yeah, but Im using multirom, as far as I know theres no Grub acess
[21:23] <Nexus7Guy> Multirom boots directly into the image
[21:23] <Jonathan_R> you should still see grub
[21:24] <Jonathan_R> if yes, then in the grub menu i think its 1
[21:24] <Jonathan_R> for single user
[21:24] <Nexus7Guy> Yeah but sadly I dont see grub :( I didnt even know Grub was compiled for ARM
[21:25] <Jonathan_R> it can be
[21:25] <Nexus7Guy> ah ok. Sadly I dont see any grub at a;l
[21:25] <Jonathan_R> wether thats the case here or not i dont know
[21:26] <Jonathan_R> check the package list or manifest list
[21:26] <Nexus7Guy> Sorry to be noobish but how would I do that?
[21:27] <k1l> Nexus7Guy: i dont think that works just with the image. there was a install application from ubuntu which deleted the whole nexus
[21:27] <Jonathan_R> the same sight you got the download from
[21:27] <Nexus7Guy> ah I see
[21:28] <k1l> Nexus7Guy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[21:29] <Jonathan_R> i have an exopc that had win7 on it but now has opensuse, getting ready for some version of ubuntu
[21:29] <Demestor> When can we expect a Ubuntu version for the x86 Motorola Razr i
[21:29] <Jonathan_R> just doin my homework first
[21:30] <k1l> Demestor: noone knows when
[21:30] <k1l> or even if
[21:31] <Demestor> Thx .. hopefully as explained on the Ubuntu Homepage they think about ..
[21:31] <Jonathan_R> Demestor, i can tell you this
[21:31] <k1l> Demestor: the razr i got very different hardware. dont know if this will be a target
[21:32] <Jonathan_R> ubuntu is the only distro doing this other than open-sl
[21:32] <Demestor> i know .. the x86 CPU was a reason for me to choose it
[21:32] <Jonathan_R> and ubuntu is leading the way
[21:33] <Jonathan_R> open-slx is still on plasma active 2
[21:34] <Jonathan_R> wb thebishop
[21:35] <thebishop> ????
[21:35] <Demestor> Ok another question.. like seen in the youtube videos it seems there is a running version of a mobile Ubuntu out yet. Anyone have an image of this?
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> tomorrow afternoon european time it's downloadable
[21:36] <k1l> Demestor: yes the devs got a runnning image
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> a dev image though
[21:36] <GuidoPallemans> does anybody know how to install it on a VM?
[21:36] <k1l> Demestor: it is to be released tomorrow. but be told that this is a dev image and not ready to use for the masses
[21:37] <Demestor> thx.. so i patiently wait
[21:37] <Demestor> see ya all
[21:38] <Jonathan_R> k1l, that would be what i would want then
[22:52] <doomlord> hmm do i get n7 or n10 or n4
[22:53] <k1l> get all of them :)
[23:15] <tgm4883> Is there hardware acceleration on the nexus tablets with Ubuntu yet?


[12:23] <Signifer123> this is alot more calm than #ubuntu
[12:23] <Burgundavia> yep
[12:23] <LaserJock> heh
[03:17] <bddebian> Heya
[03:18] <mhz> hi, bddebian
[03:18] <bddebian> Hello mhz
[04:07] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:07] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[04:07] <sbalneav> Good UTC-5 to you, bddebian!
[04:09] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[04:09] <LaserJock> -5? I would've though you were -6
[04:09] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!!  The Eastern US is that little chunk on the Atlantic Coast ;-)
[04:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'm wondering if I should just sync lyx?  THe last change was just me adding some xml files for mime handling but I got "yelled" at for my last xml files
[04:20] <lecaros> mhz
[04:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah
[04:21] <bddebian> Oh, heh, wrong channel :-)
[04:24] <mhz> lecaros: again, for 100th time..
[04:24] <mhz> pong
[04:24] <mhz> :D
[05:24] <lecaros> hi Yagisan, how're your eyes?
[05:24] <Yagisan> G'day lecaros
[05:24] <Yagisan> well, good news and bad news
[05:24] <lecaros> tell us :)
[05:25] <Yagisan> Good news is the eyes are fine. Bad news is it is a neuroligical (brain) problem
[05:25] <LaserJock> ?
[05:25] <Yagisan> apparently my eyes are better then fine, wich is a small comfit.
[05:25] <Yagisan> LaserJock, I see coloured spots that don't exist
[05:25] <lecaros> humnmm
[05:25] <LaserJock> you brain is making the spots?
[05:26] <Yagisan> apparently so. It apprears to be an "occular migrane" basically something goes wrong with the blood vessels in the vision part of my brain
[05:27] <LaserJock> is it treatable?
[05:29] <Yagisan> to be honest - as far as I know only by taking drugs every day - which I'm not keen on. I'm trying to get a neurologist appoitment set up
[05:30] <Yagisan> pretend I can spell
[05:30] <mhz> Hi there
[05:30] <LaserJock> pretend I can read ;-)
[05:30] <mhz> https://launchpad.net/people/mhz-esfera
[05:30] <mhz> How could that happen?
[05:31] <mhz> it even has all my initials
[05:31] <lecaros> jeje fuiste t...
[05:31] <mhz> and I do have an email account on Esfera server
[05:31] <mhz> lecaros: not that i know of
[05:31] <lecaros> and has your name, and surname
[05:32] <LaserJock> mhz: maybe you have a stalker :-)
[05:34] <mhz> geee! the problems we have for being so famous!!
[05:35] <lecaros> hahahaha, but it's Mauricio Hernandez Z., just like you
[07:52] <ball> hello ogra
[07:53] <ball> Anyone here happen to know what kind of boot ROM I might use to turn a PC into a graphical terminal for use with edubuntu?
[07:53] <ball> (I'm just going back to the "Getting Started" page now...
[07:54] <ball> ...but I thought I'd ask since I was here).
[07:56] <ogra> doesnt the card have PXE support ?
[07:56] <ogra> try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BoothingThinClientsWithoutPXE
[07:58] <ball> These will probably be pre-PXE machines.
[07:59] <ball> ...unless I buy new graphical terminals, which sounds expensive.
[08:01] <ball> ROM-o-matic.net looks useful.
[08:02] <ball> Hmm... need an EPROM programmer too, but those are handy things to have laying around anyway.
[08:10] <ball> Is it sensible to have the graphical terminals on a separate Ethernet than the one the "server" host will use to connect to the outside world?
[08:10] <ogra> yep
[08:11] <ball> hello arkan0x
[08:25] <ball> ogra: happen to know how large the EPROM should be, capacity-wise?
[08:25] <ogra> nope
[08:26] <ogra> but i guess bigger than the image you want to store on it would be a good start :)
[08:28] <ball> ogra: but I'm not sure what size Ethernet cards take.
[08:30] <ogra> have a look at the ltsp.org wiki ... its very likely there is some info
[08:31] <ball> thanks
[08:32] <Burgundavia> morning ogra
[08:33] <ogra> morning
[08:38] <ball> Do people normally have hard disks in their graphical terminals for edubuntu then?
[08:39] <ogra> nope
[08:44] <ball> ogra: oh, PXE?
[08:45] <ogra> yep
[08:45] <ogra> and no disks
[08:46] <ball> having no disks is a Good Thing
[08:48] <ball> Oh well, I'm off to bed now.  Thanks for your help ogra.
[08:49] <ball> part #edubuntu thanks
[10:47] <Yagisan> G'day spacey. That server, it's not comming back is it ?
[10:55] <Burgundavia> ogra: is there a spec about an edubuntu grid?
[10:56] <ogra> grid ?
[10:56] <Burgundavia> load balancing on multiple edubuntu servers
[10:56] <ogra> nope
[10:57] <ogra> there is no sane solution for that yet
[10:57] <Burgundavia> my crack idea was to have it work across an entire lab, with a mix of thin and fat clients
[10:57] <Burgundavia> but that is just a little more work
[10:57] <ogra> talk to neuralis, he made a study about it
[10:58] <Burgundavia> just thought about it reading that email that mdz forwarded from debian-edu
[10:58] <ogra> you need to patch around a lot in th eernel
[10:58] <ogra> *kernel
[10:59] <ogra> my plan is to once have it in automatically... but thats still far in the future ... wont happen until we have custering stuff in the kernel
[11:00] <Burgundavia> isn't that what fabbione keeps grinding away at?
[11:00] <ogra> nope
[11:00] <ogra> thats cluster filesystem
[11:00] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:01] <ogra> which we could use as well, but wont help the issue
[11:01] <ogra> you eed something like openmosix (or the successor ... forgot the name)
[11:02] <ogra> as long as linus doesnt think about including it, our kernel wont have it
[11:03] <Burgundavia> yep, fun
[11:04] <lucasvo> is the cluster code really that bad? or why doesn't he like it?
[11:04] <ogra> its written for 2.4 and its intrusive ...
[11:04] <lucasvo> ah, yes. right, they haven't ported it to version 2.6
[11:05] <ogra> they have, but in a very crappy manner ...
[11:05] <ogra> it needs a new implementation instead of a port
[11:05] <ogra> it must honor 2.6 and fit in cleanly ... which the ported code doesnt
[11:06] <Yagisan> so true
[11:06] <Yagisan> that's why I dropped it when I went to 2.6
[11:07] <Yagisan> IIRC only one person is porting it (openmosix) to 2.6
[11:07] <lucasvo> ogra: but that ram-cluster will get included into edgy?
[11:08] <ogra> ram cluster ?
[11:09] <lucasvo> sharing ram between clients and server?
[11:09] <lucasvo> cluster is the wrong term
[11:09] <ogra> how would that work ?
[11:10] <ogra> if i could access the servers ram from a client, localdevices and direct alsa support would be trivial :) you could even use dri without the need for local apps
[11:10] <lucasvo> ogra: instead of storing tmp files in swap store it in the ram of a thin clien?
[11:10] <Yagisan> a virtual numa system ?
[11:11] <ogra> you mean a swap server
[11:11] <ogra> yes, rodarvus will implement that
[11:11] <lucasvo> exactly
[11:11] <ogra> but thats only exported swapfiles ...
[11:11] <lucasvo> I'm about to buy a new cell phone, which one should I buy?
[11:12] <Burgundavia> lucasvo: one with linux
[11:12] <lucasvo> :)
[11:12] <lucasvo> Burgundavia: as long as it is affordable and works in CH...
[11:20] <Yagisan> I spend 4 months trying to get a linux phone is OZ. Couldn't get one :(
[11:57] <Amaranth> ogra: looks like i'm going to have to tap into python-pam sooner than i thought
[11:58] <Amaranth> ogra: i have to switch to the willowng user on my own
[11:58] <Amaranth> or i could wimp out and create the pid file in the init script :P
[12:01] <pc22> hello all
[12:03] <Amaranth> hi
[12:05] <pc22>  whats the easiest ftp server to use (graphic) if ever?
[12:06] <pc22>  whats the easiest ftp server to use (graphic) if ever?
[12:06] <pc22> sorry
[12:07] <Amaranth> i don't think there is a graphical ftp server
[12:07] <pc22> ok
[12:09] <Amaranth> i think pure-ftpd uses your regular user accounts though
[12:09] <Amaranth> so it should largely be an install and forget kind of thing
[12:12] <Amaranth> is gthumb larger than f-spot?
[12:12] <Amaranth> it appears to be...
[12:17] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: gthumb also has the issue of being basically unmaintained
[12:17] <Amaranth> true
[12:17] <Amaranth> and i asked in the wrong channel :P
[12:17] <Amaranth> was reading #ubuntu-desktop then switched over here to talk for something reason
[12:17] <Burgundavia> it mostly all the same people anyway
[12:18] <Amaranth> the real problem is migration
[12:18] <Amaranth> yeah
[12:21] <Burgundavia> yep, but I heard from the hores mouth (lewing) that that problem would be solved within the edgy cycle
[12:22] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep
[12:22] <Burgundavia> night
[12:24] <ajmitch> Amaranth: depends what you need migrated
[12:25] <Amaranth> ajmitch: every piece of data in gthumb that has an equivalent in f-spot
[12:52] <Amaranth> oh wtf
[12:52] <Amaranth> now my app dies trying to close a non-existent fd
[01:00] <ajmitch> hi rodarvus
[01:00] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:00] <rodarvus> hi ajmitch!
[01:06] <Amaranth> arg
[01:06] <Amaranth> so close, yet so far
[01:06] <Amaranth> got the init script figured out, python policy junk, now the two pieces won't speak to each other
[02:15] <pc22> good morning
[03:03] <sbalneav> morning all
[03:03] <sbalneav> ogra: ping
[03:27] <rodarvus> sbalneav, morning!
[03:27] <sbalneav> Morning rodarvus!!!
[03:27] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[03:27] <highvoltage> hi rodarvus and sbalneav :)
[03:28] <sbalneav> hey highvoltage
[03:28] <sbalneav> Where's not an infobot in this channel, is there?
[03:29] <highvoltage> there is one, with data, but not on the channe currently
[03:29] <highvoltage> i ran it off my pc when i still had an internet connection at home
[03:29] <highvoltage> wanna host it? :)
[03:29] <sbalneav> I was just going to say.  What kind is it, a supybot?
[03:29] <highvoltage> Knab
[03:29] <rodarvus> highvoltage, hi there!
[03:30] <highvoltage> Knab is very similar to infobot
[03:30] <sbalneav> Sure, I'd host it.  I host the ltspbot.
[03:30] <rodarvus> sbalneav, all fine - just lurking a little while on irc (and working too), while I wait for the wife to get ready ;)
[03:30] <highvoltage> rodarvus: i see from edgy-changes that you've settled into the new job quite nicely ;)
[03:30] <highvoltage> sbalneav: cool. I'll upload it when I'm back home on Friday
[03:31] <sbalneav> tarball it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:31] <rodarvus> highvoltage, yeah, I have to - otherwise there will be thousands of users on my foot :)
[03:31] <highvoltage> people have been asking for edubuntu girl to be back for a long time.
[03:31] <rodarvus> well, wife is calling - gotta leave!
[03:31] <highvoltage> heh
[03:31] <rodarvus> see you all
[03:31] <highvoltage> bye!
[03:31] <sbalneav> nye
[03:31] <sbalneav> bye
[03:34] <sbalneav> well, popping up to make breakfast.  be on later.
[03:48] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:24] <trevor_> does anyone know a good way to set up a dual boot of windows xp and Ubuntu from seperate hard drives?
[06:27] <Yagisan> trevor_, have you tried the obvious ?
[06:27] <Yagisan> trevor_, install windows of fist disk
[06:28] <Yagisan> then install (ed/k)ubuntu on the second
[06:28] <Yagisan> and tell grub to install on the first disk ?
[06:28] <Yagisan> it might/might not work - but that would be the first thing I try
[06:29] <Yagisan> assuming I was paid enough to install windows ;)
[06:29] <mhz> and the wiki has tons of examples, i am sure
[06:29] <mhz> wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:30] <trevor_> i looked this up beforehand...and read an article by one guy who said NOT to install GRUB to the primary HD, and that it was possible to use
[06:30] <trevor_> bootpart" from windows and edit the boot.ini
[06:31] <trevor_> any way to install GRUB to the windows disc without doing a clean sweep?
[06:32] <Yagisan> trevor_, what makes you think installing grub wipes your disk ?
[06:32] <trevor_> no, i mean without re-installing linux
[06:33] <Yagisan> trevor_, IIRC it's sudo grub-install <disk/to/install/on>
[06:34] <Yagisan> mhz, because their bootloader can't load two versions of windows without haveing issues
[06:34] <mhz> exactly!
[06:34] <mhz> that is why I say it is unfair.
[06:35] <trevor_> okay, a second question. Say i treat my Linux as my primary drive, and windows as the slave...how do I make grub recognize the windows disc?
[06:35] <mhz> I remember that once a user got angry with me because I had no idea how to dual boot. He said "why are you here to give support then if you dont want to tell me how to dual boot?""
[06:36] <mhz> trevor_: grub will
[06:36] <trevor_> since I already have GRUB on the linux disc, i can just have that be my main boot
[06:37] <trevor_> and since I won't be transfering any files between the discs, i can keep them on the same IDE channel?
[06:37] <mhz> trevor_: what version of edubuntu are you planning to run?
[06:37] <trevor_> i am actually just runnign the plain Ubuntu
[06:37] <trevor_> 6.06 LTS
[06:38] <Yagisan> trevor_, oh, plain ubuntu ...
[06:38] <trevor_> difference?
[06:38] <mhz> trevor_: and how did you get to this channel?
[06:38] <trevor_> Konversation just pointed me this way
[06:38] <mhz> trevor_: well, not many, but diff objectives and spices
[06:39] <mhz> trevor_: Edubuntu is aimed to help teachers, students and lab admins to implement Lab solutions for schools and alike
[06:40] <mhz> hence, applications are aimed to educational purposes
[06:40] <trevor_> i am just a home user
[06:40] <trevor_> i have only really expirimented with linux via Live CDs before now...but took a liking to Ubuntu
[06:42] <Yagisan> trevor_,  it's best to let the (ed/k)ubuntu installer set up dual boot when you install it
[06:42] <trevor_> I guess I will try having Linux as my primary boot/OS and Windows the slave...if that doesn't work...continue doing the whole "crack the case open and manually fix it" thing
[06:43] <Yagisan> trevor_, you don't need to do that
[06:43] <Yagisan> trevor_, just install windows first (if needed)
[06:43] <Yagisan> then install (ed/k)ubuntu to the other drive
[06:44] <trevor_> just boot with GRUB instead of NTLDR from the main drive then?
[08:31] <bddebian> re
[08:39] <highvoltage> re
[08:39] <bddebian> Heya highvoltage
[08:39] <highvoltage> heya bddebian!
[08:41] <HedgeMage> Wow, I walk in and all the fun starts ;)
[08:42] <bddebian> Heh, hi HedgeMage
[08:42] <HedgeMage> hi bddebian :)
[09:16] <highvoltage> ugh, closed laptop lid as i picked it up :)
[09:50] <splashx> hey, could anyone explain why dvd iso is 3.3gb if cds (install and live) has ~700mb each one?
[09:50] <splashx> i looked for the contents but i couldn't find a especific explanation..
[09:50] <splashx> .list file is too huge..
[09:51] <splashx> what else dvd iso has? :~
[09:51] <highvoltage> the DVD contains the entire 'main' section, afaik
[09:52] <splashx> well, i need to check what i'll need to use then..
[10:37] <pygi> HedgeMage, :)))))
[10:39] <mhz> hehehe
[10:40] <HedgeMage> hi pygi :)
[10:40] <pygi> hey mhz, HedgeMage ;)
[10:40] <mhz> the spray!!!
[10:40] <mhz> pygi: hi there
[10:41] <HedgeMage> I should be back for real about Tuesday
[10:41] <HedgeMage> Hubby is getting some leave from work :)
[10:41] <mhz> oh, nice
[10:41] <mhz> leaves are nice when love's around
[10:42] <mhz> pygi: !
[10:42] <mhz> come on!
[10:45] <mhz> HedgeMage: he did leave for good?
[11:03] <pygi> HedgeMage, please jabber, I need to talk to you about something


[15:57] <rbasak> o/
[15:59] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <utkarsh2102> \o
[16:01] <utkarsh2102> I don't see anything on the agenda, do we still want to have a meeting?
[16:01] <bdmurray> o/
[16:01] <bdmurray> I think we should talk about the meeting in two weeks time at least
[16:01] <kanashiro[m]> o/
[16:01] <rbasak> Agreed
[16:02] <utkarsh2102> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:02:14 UTC.  The chair is utkarsh2102.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[16:02] <utkarsh2102> #topic Next Meeting
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> since there are no candidates or anything in the agenda yet, should we call it off?
[16:03] <sil2100> I guess we have no one assigned for the meeting in 2 weeks as well, right?
[16:03] <utkarsh2102> the next meeting is supposed to happen on 26th Dec
[16:03] <rbasak> I think we should cancel that meeting
[16:04] <sil2100> For me at least it's quite possible I'll forget and might miss it, so I'd be +1 on skipping. But we should send out an e-mail to ubuntu-devel@ so that people don't sign up for that meeting
[16:04] <utkarsh2102> should we formally vote? or is there mutual consent on this already?
[16:04] <kanashiro[m]> +1
[16:04] <rbasak> Up to the chair :)
[16:04] <bdmurray> +1
[16:05] <utkarsh2102>  #vote skip next meeting (scheduled as of 26th Dec 2022)
[16:05] <meetingology> Please vote on: skip next meeting (scheduled as of 26th Dec 2022)
[16:05] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[16:05] <utkarsh2102> +1
[16:05] <meetingology> +1 received from utkarsh2102
[16:05] <kanashiro[m]> +1 again :)
[16:05] <meetingology> +1 again :) received from kanashiro[m]
[16:06] <rbasak> +1
[16:06] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[16:06] <sil2100> +1
[16:06] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[16:07] <sil2100> I can take the action item to sending out an e-mail about it, if anything
[16:07] <rbasak> I think the main thing is to edit the wiki with the list of meeting dates please
[16:07] <rbasak> Also, if you don't mind filling out the dates for 2023?
[16:08] <rbasak> Just following the pattern. Please don't change the meeting "phase" :)
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> waiting for bdmurray's vote :)
[16:08] <bdmurray> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> awesome
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> teward and seb128 seem to be away, so..
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> #endvote
[16:08] <meetingology> Voting ended on: skip next meeting (scheduled as of 26th Dec 2022)
[16:08] <meetingology> Votes for: 5, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[16:08] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:08] <utkarsh2102> #action sil2100 to send an announcement for the same
[16:08] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to send an announcement for the same
[16:09] <sil2100> I'll update the Agenda as well
[16:09] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> #action sil2100 to update the agenda as well
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to update the agenda as well
[16:09] <utkarsh2102> sil2100: would you also add the 2023 dates?
[16:10] <sil2100> Yeah, I can do that while modifying the Agenda
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> lovely, thank you!
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> #action sil2100 to add 2023 meeting dates in the agenda whilst at it
[16:10] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to add 2023 meeting dates in the agenda whilst at it
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, this seems to be done
[16:10] <sil2100> Will get to it in a bit after my SRU shift
[16:10] <utkarsh2102> no rush!
[16:11] <utkarsh2102> #topic AOB
[16:11] <rbasak> o/
[16:11] <rbasak> Last meeting we had extensive discussion on making progress in meetings
[16:11] <rbasak> I summarised what I think we decided we wanted in my email "Keeping IRC meetings moving"
[16:11] <rbasak> But there has been no feedback.
[16:11] <rbasak> Please provide feedback.
[16:12] <utkarsh2102> I am on PTO (for whole of December), I can take a look this week, but please expect it to be in 2023 from my end. Apologies.
[16:13] <rbasak> OK, so let's defer, but I'd appreciate if everyone could take a look please. If nobody has the time, then that's fine, but I'd appreciate not wasting further time discussing it in that case.
[16:14] <bdmurray> Stalling on keeping things moving would be ironic no?
[16:14] <rbasak> Right
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> :)
[16:14] <utkarsh2102> anything else, then?
[16:14]  * utkarsh2102 starts a 3-minute mental countdown
[16:15] <rbasak> FWIW, I intended 3 minutes to be the limit when explicitly waiting on something.
[16:15] <rbasak> I don't think you should feel you have to wait three minutes unless you're waiting on someone for something specific.
[16:16] <utkarsh2102> it's alright, 3 minutes is for people to think if they have something they'd like to bring up, I guess
[16:17] <utkarsh2102> 30 more seconds
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> okeydoke, I'm going to wrap up in
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> 3
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> 2
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> 1
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> \o/
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> #endmeeting
[16:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:18:09 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-12-12-16.02.moin.txt
[16:18]  * Eickmeyer wishes the DMB a happy holidays and happy new year o/
[16:18] <utkarsh2102> thanks, everyone! have a nice and warm christmas and the time off! \o
[16:18] <sil2100> o/
[16:18] <kanashiro[m]> \o
[16:21] <teward> utkarsh2102: was on the phone for dayjob with law enforcement partners.  been an interesting monday.  sorry for being awol
[16:22] <utkarsh2102> teward: no problem at all! \o/
[16:22] <utkarsh2102> happy monday, if it's not too late :P
[16:23] <teward> hehe its still monday
[16:23] <teward> just been interesting
[16:28] <utkarsh2102> ;)


[04:18] <RAOF> Trevinho: As far as I can tell the gnome-shell-extension-appindicator SRU has a patch making a change (Remove-unneeded-padding) and then a patch doing nothing but reverting that change (Fix-reduce-padding…)
[04:19] <RAOF> Am I misreading those diffs? Is there some special javascript weirdness happening here?
[04:19] <Trevinho> RAOF: yeah, well that's a cherry-pick from upstream was a community contribution and I took the commits as they were...
[04:20] <Trevinho> RAOF: so when using git cherry-pick + gbp export-patch it went this way
[04:22] <RAOF> Would you kindly reupload the package without those two patches?
[04:22] <RAOF> It seems like having debian/patches containing a patch and then a patch to revert that patch is needlessly confusing and possibly fragile.
[04:46] <Trevinho> RAOF: ok, well as fragile isn't as it's just reproducing the git repo, but sure I will
[05:18] <duflu> Afternoon RAOF, morning Trevinho
[06:18] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:26] <didrocks> good morning
[06:27] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and didrocks
[06:27] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, hey duflu
[06:28] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut oSoMoN
[06:45] <jamesh> didrocks: I guess it's a good thing you didn't try to rely on that polkit directory search path change.  It's gone again (at least temporarily): https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/polkit/polkit/-/commit/ec5773e81326811b2bf9803a156c65c0c9d45bdc
[06:54] <didrocks> jamesh: how come you are closely following the project?
[06:55] <didrocks> "This needs some future rewrites." hum, doesn’t sound like it’s going to be back anytime soon :)
[06:55] <jamesh> didrocks: I was looking at it today, since I was finishing off the proposal for polkit support in snapd and noticed it
[06:55] <jamesh> at the top of the gitlab page, it had a summary of the most recent commit
[06:56] <didrocks> jamesh: thanks for keeping me posted :)
[06:57] <didrocks> we got yesterday the whole python helper covered with go tests, and the coverage report is merged with the go one (and so, go tool cover merge it without any issue in the finale .html file) \o/
[06:58] <didrocks> happy to have been able to mock ldap/samba AD interaction (and fix one bug along the way :p)
[07:00] <didrocks> 685 tests, on the road for 700 :)
[07:49] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:49] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:49] <seb128> lut didrocks, comment ça va ?
[07:50] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:50] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, et toi ?
[07:54] <seb128> didrocks, encore le rhume et fatigué mais sinon ça va
[07:54] <seb128> hey duflu
[07:55] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:58] <seb128> oSoMoN, lut, comment ça va ?
[07:58] <oSoMoN> seb128, plutôt bien, merci
[08:04] <Laney> iyo
[08:04] <Laney> IYOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[08:11] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:15] <oSoMoN> ho ho Laney
[08:30] <Laney> sup didrocks oSoMoN
[09:06] <duflu> Morning Laney
[09:52] <seb128> oSoMoN, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkit2gtk/+bug/1923817
[10:00] <oSoMoN> thanks
[10:01] <oSoMoN> I'm setting up an hirsute/armhf lxd container now
[13:22] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[13:23] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth, how are you?
[13:23] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN I'm well thanks :)
[16:34] <k_alam> seb128: Hi, I have updated the version for u-c-c and unity-greeter. Can you look into these mr https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kwD5frSXsR/ ? Do we have time to merge now?
[18:26] <seb128> k_alam, hey, ok, I will try to review those


[01:07] <bronson> The gutsy iso doesn't seem to boot under kvm...
[01:07] <bronson> Anyone else notice this?
[01:07] <bronson> Doesn't even make it to the boot loader screen.
[01:08] <crimsun> being more precise about "the gutsy iso" would be a start.
[01:08] <crimsun> e.g., Tribe 1?  Tribe 2?  daily?  which one?
[01:15] <borschty> i have the problem of x using about 415mb of virtual memory, while according to xrestop there are only about 25mb used by applications
[01:15] <crimsun> that's not a problem.  First, how much RAM is mapped for video?
[01:16] <crimsun> i.e., how much video RAM or shared RAM
[01:16] <MugginsM> plus applications tend to use X memory for storing images and stuff
[01:16] <borschty> MugginsM: thats what i checked with xrestop
[01:16] <MugginsM> ah
[01:17] <borschty> crimsun: i had the problem with my radeon 9700 with 128mb internal ram, too... now it is on a intel 915... let me check how much shared memory it gets
[01:18] <crimsun> (II) intel(0): I830CheckAvailableMemory: 1455100 kB available
[01:18] <crimsun> (==) intel(0): VideoRam: 262144 KB
[01:20] <borschty> (II) I810(0): BIOS now sees 12288 kB VideoRAM
[01:20] <borschty> (--) I810(0): Pre-allocated VideoRAM: 7932 kByte
[01:20] <borschty> (==) I810(0): VideoRAM: 65536 kByte
[01:22] <borschty> the problem is not caused by the videoram
[01:22] <crimsun> so at least 65 MB of it is mapped VRAM.
[01:22] <crimsun> ignore 65 of the purported 415.
[01:22] <borschty> and the 25 of the apps
[01:23] <crimsun> next, you need to run xrestop on a _fresh_ X server start.
[01:24] <borschty> haven't tried  on this machine, on my desktop with the radeon the problem was present directly after starting x... but i will try on the laptop, now...
[01:26] <borschty> xrestop gives a total of 3mb now, Xorg takes 340mb of virtual memory according to top
[01:26] <borschty> still way too much
[01:32] <borschty> crimsun: any ideas how to track the problem down?
[01:32] <crimsun> well, is this a clean X session or one loaded with gnome-session, et al.?
[01:33] <thully> mine is taking 393MB on a clean Gutsy install, so this isn't isolated...
[01:34] <borschty> crimsun: gnome, i think i'll test a completely clean server
[01:35] <thully> speaking of Gutsy installs, does anyone know the best way to go about setting up one's system for testing/triaging bugs?  I don't have a system I can dedicate completely to testing...
[01:36] <crimsun> either chroot, or xen/vmware
[01:37] <thully> I figured that may be a good idea, though I did have some tell me chroot was only good for running individual apps and not the whole system..
[01:41] <borschty> 338mb, and just some kb used by the xterm
[01:41] <borschty> clearly an xorg problem
[01:44] <borschty> it has /dev/mem open, which takes 256mb, according to gnome-system-monitor
[01:45] <pwnguin> fyi
[01:45] <kingrayray> hey anybody know of a gutsy-friendly E17 repo?
[01:45] <pwnguin> X holds the memory region for your video card
[01:46] <pwnguin> ergo, it looks much bigger than it really "is"
[01:46] <pwnguin> and if you have a large agp aperature
[01:47] <pwnguin> clearly, process accounting on linux could be improved
[01:47] <borschty> pwnguin VideoRAM: 65536 kByte
[01:48] <MugginsM> if it's using 256M of video ram it *is* still using 256M of ram, should it pretend it isn't?  :)
[01:49] <kingrayray> perhaps it should be more specific as to which ram it's using :P
[01:49] <borschty> i still think ther has to be an bug
[01:51] <pwnguin> borschty: you might start by reading what's already been written about X memory usage
[01:52] <MugginsM> i think the problem is that computers are complex, and a small group of generic numbers can't really describe the real details
[01:53] <borschty> pwnguin: my search on google lead to no usefull results
[01:55] <pwnguin> here's a crappy start http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=889534
[01:56] <pwnguin> http://cbbrowne.com/info/xbloat.html
[02:00] <kingrayray> does anybody run E17 on gutsy? :o
[02:56] <starz> yey?
[02:59] <ryanakca> Why can I only have one reiserfs partition in my LVM? After create one, all the free space afterwards becomes 'unusable'... ... And I've been told that there should only be one device mapper, not two, as was created by the installer?
[03:33] <hwilde> How to force baud rate of mct u232 - serial convert?   dmesg shows this error:  [15308.548000]  drivers/usb/serial/mct_u232.c: MCT USB-RS232: unsupported baudrate request 0x1005, using default of B9600
[03:40] <hwilde> I posted to the wiki in case anybody can help with the baud rate
[03:40] <hwilde> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarmenSickLaserS300
[03:43] <Stormx2> hwilde: You know, the wiki isn't there for problem solving.
[03:43] <Stormx2> hwilde: I'd imagine that page will be deleted very quickly
[03:45] <hwilde> Stormx2, it is part of a how to, and that is as far as i've got so far, so right now it is a bit problem solving
[03:46] <hwilde> as far as formatting and collaboration, it is great for problem solving.  anybody can post the solution there at anytime
[03:54] <starz> hey
[03:54] <starz> how can i get ubuntu to quit using uuid?
[03:55] <hwilde> !uuid | starz
[03:55] <ubotu> starz: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:57] <starz> o no it works great
[03:57] <starz> its when i format one of my partitions into something different -
[03:57] <starz> then the uuid is new - changes with each format
[03:58] <starz> o:
[03:58] <starz> sup masterloki :)
[04:11] <hwilde> Any help with this error from dmesg?   usb 3-1: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by ftdi_sio while 'brltty' sets config #1
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> has anybody here had experrience with installing ubuntu on macbookpro's with the new nvidia graphics chips
[04:16] <pimp31415> mmm
[04:16] <pimp31415> no lm-sensors possible? @_@
[04:23] <sayers> Does AMD64 work well with Gusty?
[04:24] <pimp31415> !work
[04:24] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:24] <pimp31415> lol
[04:24] <pimp31415> sayers, its gutsy - experimental - beyond testing - but ive heard its ok?
[04:46] <RoC_MasterMind> If your OK with things that break regularly.
[04:46] <RoC_MasterMind> Wait for it in October if your not.
[04:55] <sn0> nn
[05:08] <emet> I think I'm going to do gutsy on my test machine at work
[05:08] <emet> good idea?
[05:15] <RoC_MasterMind> sure
[05:15] <RoC_MasterMind> it could use the testing
[05:15] <RoC_MasterMind> file your bugs
[05:18] <xtknight> is there a reason firefox is giving me trouble at bootup?  it asks me to create a profile, but when i try and do that i get a fairly obscure error
[05:18] <xtknight> gutsy livecd, that is
[05:18] <xtknight> never mind it seems to have worked, although on the third try
[07:15] <DanaG> c Odd, whenever I select a theme, it jumps to Custom.
[07:27] <HyperCity> hy to all , when i try to use compiz-icon i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29981/ , can someone help me?
[07:31] <DanaG> Is there a plugin that will make everything less bright?
[07:31] <DanaG> Like, a removable color filter?
[07:31] <DanaG> I know there's a plugin, but how do you use it?
[07:31] <DanaG> oops, wrong channel for compiz questions.
[07:33] <DanaG> And why the heck to font-rendering changes no longer apply on the fly?
[07:33] <RAOF> Because the new appearance panel is broke
[07:45] <DanaG> Any easy way to let the old ones coexist with it?
[07:59] <DanaG> I wonder why compiz-fusion is so slow compared to Beryl...
[07:59] <DanaG> oops, /me remembers #ubuntu-effects
[10:56] <nysosym> hi there
[10:57] <nysosym> i have installed the latest daily build of gutsy, but now the system, doesn't start, "no controller found", where is the problem and how can i solve this?
[12:45] <mbone> uhm, I have a problem with ubuntu 7.04 :p
[12:45] <mbone> that is my nvidia
[01:08] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: #ubuntu is for support for 7.04 a;so maybe try #ubuntu-effects as its nvidia related.
[01:08] <gnomefreak> mbone: ^^^ that was for you
[01:10] <mon^rch> how are you guys liking gutsy? I tried an upgarde... borked some stuff... going to try a tribe 2 cd... and wth is gobuntu?
[01:24] <mon^rch> is there no theme changer in gutsy?
[01:27] <mon^rch> hallo?
[01:27] <mon^rch> :P
[01:41] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: system>prefferences>apperance or use control center
[01:42] <gnomefreak> you will notice alot of items now use apperance instead of having an extra menu entry
[02:16] <persia> I've a keymapping issue in X with jp106, and I wondered if anyone could help.  Everything works perfectly in the console, but under X the \(|) key has no response, and the ] (}) key is remapped to \(|).
[02:16] <persia> This is a continuous upgrade from long ago, but under Feisty, neither of the \(|) or \(_) keys worked at all, and the ] (}) key worked normally, so I'm guessing a recent update is responsible for the change.
[02:16] <persia> If anyone has any ideas as to how to determine which package is remapping these (I believe both X and GNOME have remapping agents), or would be able to replicate the issue on a similar keyboard, that would be greatly appreciated.
[02:17] <telexicon> Where is the font configuration dialog, it seems to have disappeared from System > Preferences ?
[02:20] <Trewas> telexicon: font settings are in System / Preferences / Appearance now
[02:20] <telexicon> Trewas, ah, thanks
[02:24] <mon^rch> what's the theme applet program name? I installed gutsy and the theme entry from my menu dissappeared
[02:25] <telexicon> what on earth!?
[02:25] <telexicon> they cant have 2 queens...
[02:26] <telexicon> in gnome chess the gnu chess opponent moved 2 pawns to the other end of the board and got a queen for each one...
[02:31] <elops> i'm using vmware in my windows. I'll try to installing ubuntu in my vmware. my computer is amd athlon xp with 256mb ram and 64mb vga. because i'm using vmware i shared my ram to 128. can u recommended me what ubuntu distro series i must use in my computer?
[02:31] <telexicon> elops, you would most likely want to try the alternate cd
[02:33] <void^> (you most likely don't want to use vmware on that system)
[02:33] <telexicon> void^, agreed
[02:33] <variant> elops: why are you asking here? this is the gutsy development channel
[02:34] <variant> and in #ubuntu i noticed
[02:34] <telexicon> they also asked in main channel.. i wasnt paying attention
[02:34] <variant> channel spam
[02:34] <elops> where should I ask?
[02:34] <variant> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:34] <elops> ok i did
[02:34] <elops> and no answer
[02:34] <variant> i suggest you read the /topic when you join a channel
[02:35] <variant> !patience | elops
[02:35] <ubotu> elops: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:35] <telexicon> so should i report that chess bug to launchpad or directly to gnome, its not really distro related
[02:36] <telexicon> oh and baobab abort()s on the livecd
[02:36] <Hobbsee> telexicon: if it's not distro related, report it to gnome
[02:36] <telexicon> its a bug in the game logic.. ok.. ill do that
[02:38] <Hobbsee> telexicon: because ti wont be fixed at the distro level, or if it would be, that developer woudl commit ti straight to gnome, and would be seeing all the gnome bugmail, etc, anyway
[02:41] <mon^rch> does the alternate installer install a gui?
[02:41] <telexicon> er, maybe i just dont know chess that well :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> mon^rch: yes
[02:44] <mon^rch> and compiz fusion is part of gutsy?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:46] <persia> telexicon: It depends on the ruleset.  Both pawn always promotes to queen and pawn only promotes to taken piece are played, but the former is more common (and standard for international tournaments, as far as I recall)
[02:46] <telexicon> persia, yea, i didnt realize that
[02:49] <assasukasse> i was wondering, is it true that tickless kernel will be on gutsy?
[03:01] <variant> assasukasse: do you know what a tickless kernel is?
[03:02] <assasukasse> variant: a tickless kernel is a kernel that doesn't have the "hz" internal clock..it is said it should save energy, and it could be nice for my lap.
[03:04] <telexicon> recently there has been a lot of work going into saving power, using a tickless kernel is just part of it
[03:04] <variant> indeed
[03:06] <telexicon> a lot of programs poll things very frequently so those need to be patched to prevent them from waking up the processor all the time
[03:07] <telexicon> i think eventually linux is going to really shine in power management because the majority of programs are open source so they can all be checked to see if they do things in a way that minimizes wake-ups
[03:07] <finalbeta> But the hardware isn't, so those drivers might drain too much resources anyway
[03:07] <variant> absolutly, the whole free software development model is far superior in that way
[03:08] <telexicon> well a lot of drivers are open
[03:08] <telexicon> the graphics drivers are going to be a problem, and wireless
[03:08] <telexicon> but there are projects to fix that
[03:10] <finalbeta> Wow, allot of effort seems to be going into mobile ubuntu (Just reading ubuntu gusty specs)
[03:10] <telexicon> but i suppose people using the close source graphics drivers (and then 3d graphics) should realize that they are going to end up using a lot of power so...
[03:12] <sn0> hopefully ubuntu will boot on the open moko neo1973 device
[03:13] <telexicon> sn0, why?
[03:13] <sn0> why not is the question i thought :D
[03:14] <telexicon> ubuntu is a desktop oriented distro
[03:14] <sn0> and there are plans for a mobile edition
[03:14] <finalbeta> Hopefully Gusty will boot on my Dell Inspiron without having yo remove the CD rom drive.
[03:14] <sn0> mobile/embedded
[03:15] <sn0> with a version out based on gutsy in oct
[03:15] <telexicon> oh, looks good
[03:15] <sn0> which coincides with the proper release of the treo1973 :D
[03:15] <telexicon> the neo1973 runs linux already, it shouldnt be a problem
[03:15] <sn0> yep
[03:16] <assasukasse> btw, does anyone know if and when an iceweasel package be included in ubuntu
[03:16] <telexicon> assasukasse, why?
[03:16] <spikeb> perhaps as part of gobuntu assasukasse
[03:17] <assasukasse> telexicon: i've been comparing firefox and iceweasel on debian, but iw is faster and eats far less ram
[03:17] <sn0> i heard a while back that icedove would be synced from debian
[03:17] <sn0> but have heard nothing since
[03:17] <telexicon> assasukasse, that doesnt really make much sense..
[03:17] <Hobbsee> no, ice* will not be synced from debian, i'ts on the blacklist
[03:17] <telexicon> assasukasse, iceweasel is just a renamed firefox for license reasons
[03:18] <sn0> okay thx Hobbsee
[03:18] <assasukasse> telexicon: for what i know is not only that..alot of stuffs have been removed
[03:18] <spikeb> then what does gobuntu plan on using for a browser? firefox doesn't fit the definition of free properly.
[03:18] <assasukasse> and toher changed
[03:18] <Hobbsee> spikeb: i have no idea.  possibly epiphany?
[03:18] <spikeb> hehe
[03:18] <spikeb> that would rock
[03:18] <Hobbsee> well, they may choose to unblacklist, and make it conflict with firefox and such
[03:18] <telexicon> um
[03:18] <spikeb> yeah that is what i was thinking.
[03:19] <telexicon> the MPL is an OSI approved license
[03:19] <sn0> personally i would prefer icedove > ephiphany
[03:19] <sn0> *weasel
[03:19] <spikeb> telexicon, firefox has other issues.
[03:19] <sn0> keep getting mixed up on those two :]
[03:19] <telexicon> they are on google's pay list?
[03:20] <spikeb> telexicon, no. read about the debian/firefox snafu. that should amply demonstrate the issue.. heh
[03:20] <telexicon> the mozilla foundation is just trying to protect the reputation
[03:20] <sn0> the search revenue sure is interesting :)
[03:20] <spikeb> doesn't matter what or why they are doing it :)
[03:21] <telexicon> its theirs, they can do whatever, if they want people to rename it if they modify the code, thats fine by me
[03:32] <telexicon> are there plans to use GPL'd java?
[03:44] <shirish> ubotu gutsy
[03:44] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[03:47] <xtknight> shirish: hey how's it goin
[03:47] <xtknight> long time
[03:48] <shirish> xtknight: ah cool, been here & there
[03:48] <shirish> have been on, but mostly on the mailing lists
[03:49] <xtknight> gutsy tribe 2 didnt boot for me but the latest daily is working good.  im on it right now, actually.  but fairly unstable :P
[03:49] <xtknight> a couple things are unstable.  some things seem fine
[03:49] <spikeb> that makes me nervous
[03:49] <xtknight> i wouldnt recommend it personally at this point
[03:50] <xtknight> and im somebody who does crazy stuff
[03:50] <spikeb> heh
[03:50] <shirish> xtknight: I usually recommend alternate & till date it works fine, but then the machine I have (i845) is an ok stuff
[03:50] <spikeb> that's all i needed to hear
[03:51] <xtknight> early alphas are always kind of unstable, nothing new really
[03:51] <xtknight> so i stick to the live
[03:51] <xtknight> dapper beta was great for me, but then again it was beta.
[03:51] <shirish> xtknight: any interesting app. which you are supporting (upstream) throughout the cycle?
[03:52] <xtknight> shirish: well not yet at least, i did want to get in the gutsy dev cycle since i have all summer off
[03:52] <telexicon> im on tribe 2 and everything is fine
[03:52] <xtknight> shirish: for sure i'll be trying to fix more bugs, etc
[03:52] <xtknight> and reporting existing ones
[03:52] <shirish> same here, tribe 2 + all updates, everything is cool
[03:53] <xtknight> ive had about 10 error reports since i've started it.  tribe 2 didnt even start on my pc
[03:53] <xtknight> probably just bad luck
[03:53] <shirish> xtknight: I do report bugs, what I meant was helping with some project (like I have been trying to play with deluge - a torrent client) and seeing how it fits with python 2.5
[03:53] <telexicon> xtknight, if it didnt boot it was probably a hardware issue, do you have any weird hardware?
[03:54] <Vuen__> hey guys, i'm gonna upgrade to gutsy
[03:54] <Vuen__> wish me luck
[03:54] <xtknight> shirish: nope but i really hope to make some GUI stuff in the future.  the only package i was involved with was bip (bug fix).  havent done any gui or other packages yet
[03:54] <shirish> xtknight: you were using daily or alternate, somehow I feel alternate gives more debug messages
[03:54] <xtknight> shirish: daily livecd
[03:54] <telexicon> shirish, i use deluge on feisty, will it be added to the repos?
[03:54] <xtknight> telexicon: well the core 2 duo is hard on linux sometimes
[03:54] <shirish> xtknight: ah good, if you do make some python based GUI stuff, lemme know I can always test it out
[03:55] <xtknight> and intel i965 chipset/etc
[03:55] <telexicon> xtknight, yea, ive had some issues with those
[03:55] <xtknight> nothing too weird
[03:55] <shirish> telexicon: deluge is there on gutsy
[03:55] <sn0> Vuen__ gl :)
[03:55] <shirish> telexicon: 0.5.2
[03:55] <telexicon> shirish, excellent
[03:55] <xtknight> shirish: ah awesome
[03:55] <xtknight> well i've gotta head out, be back later
[03:55] <shirish> wait
[03:55] <xtknight> heh k.
[03:56] <telexicon> i was looking for something besides azureus because its so big and ive had trouble getting it to run properly
[03:56] <shirish> xtknight: there is a bug about i965 chipsets, maybe that is the issue. lemme track it down
[03:56] <shirish> saw it about an 1/2 hr. ago.
[03:56] <xtknight> shirish: hey thanks, i'll have to check when i get back though (only be an hour or two)
[03:56] <xtknight> i'll be around here a lot more often now
[03:57] <telexicon> whats the story on all these ***MEMORY-WARNING*** g_thread_init() messages?
[03:57] <xtknight> i got those too
[03:57] <shirish> bug 122886
[03:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122886 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Intel mobile graphics controller not detected on GMCHB0ICHB0" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122886
[03:57] <telexicon> almost every program i run has them
[03:57] <xtknight> when i did universal access something
[03:58] <shirish> bug 119370
[03:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119370 in discover-data "Intel Xorg driver not detected when installing Gutsy Tribe-1 on an Intel GMCHB0ICHB0 motherboard" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119370
[03:58] <xtknight> ah i think that's mobile intle graphics.  i have a card thankfully
[03:58] <shirish> as well as bug 119362
[03:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119362 in discover-data "Unknown Intel graphics controller on Intel D63578-200 motherboard" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119362
[03:58] <telexicon> will bullet-proof-x help with things like that?
[03:58] <xtknight> <-- bbiab
[03:58] <shirish> ubotu bullet-proof-x
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bullet-proof-x - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <telexicon> i was reading the blueprint on it
[03:59] <shirish> telexicon: is that a package bullet-proof-x
[03:59] <shirish> oh ok, a link would be helpful
[03:59] <telexicon> basically if the xorg.conf file is bad or missing, or it cant figure things out.. it defaults to 640x480 using vesa and pops up a screen resolution dialog
[04:00] <telexicon> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x
[04:00] <shirish> telexicon: 640*480 :( but I guess thats good if you have ancient hardware like p3,celeron, athlon, sempron etc.
[04:01] <telexicon> well it pops up a screen resolution box so you can fix it
[04:01] <telexicon> and tell it what you have maybe
[04:01] <telexicon> oh, they are going with 800x600
[04:02] <telexicon> and if VESA isnt supported, 640x480/16 VGA
[04:02] <shirish> tht's good, have subscribed to the blueprint, will read the wiki entry later.
[04:14] <ShackJack> Gutsy is really rough on my year-old notebook (fglrx/ATI) at times -- XGL & GNOME startup failures, gnome-panel, terminal, gedit, lockups, etc... But on my 5 year old desktop (Nvidia), it runs like a champ!
[04:16] <telexicon> fglrx arent the greatest drivers,
[04:16] <ShackJack> telexicon: That's an understatement, though I never had much trouble on Feisty... Guessing it's some combo of the two... I hate having to use XGL...
[04:17] <ShackJack> And fusion works good when it is running -- it's the starting up in GNOME and other things that's the problem...
[04:18] <ShackJack> Without rebooting entirely, is there another way to refresh things? I always thought dropping to a runlevel 1 does the trick, but it doesn't make any improvment (i.e. XGL/GNOME still lock up unless I reboot)
[04:19] <telexicon> ctrl+alt+backspace will kill the xserver and restart it
[04:19] <telexicon> runlevel usually does the trick, sometimes some apps arent killed
[04:20] <telexicon> if you do a ps aux, there may be a few things still running from your standard user account
[04:20] <telexicon> the other option is, the ati driver is messing something up in the kernel
[04:21] <ShackJack> telexicon: Yep...  Anyone else here having issues with Terminal or Gedit not starting, or crashing gnome-panel/nautilus?
[04:22] <telexicon> although
[04:23] <telexicon> intel's graphics drivers are open source
[04:23] <telexicon> but i dunno if they would be powerful enough for what you want
[04:23] <ShackJack> telexicon: True, though I like the extra ooomph Nvidia provides for Compiz, etc...
[04:52] <telexicon> ShackJack, well they did have to make them powerful enough for Vista's 3d.. so
[04:53] <ShackJack> telexicon: THat's true - you mean the X3100 or whatever they're called? Was trying to google around for specs...
[04:53] <ShackJack> I just want Fusion with my Gutsy and play DVD's movies occassionally - nothin' fancy...
[04:54] <ShackJack> brb
[07:17] <darnell> last time i tried updating to gusty I didnt get any sound
[07:17] <darnell> same thing now?
[07:21] <gnomefreak> darnell: did you make sure its on in alsamixer? what kernel are you using as it was down during migration of new kernel
[07:21] <gnomefreak> oh and btw its not supposed to work anyway
[07:21] <telexicon> When reporting a bug in a gnome program should I also report the bug in ubuntu with a link to the gnome bug report, so if other people report the same bug the bug people dont have to go re-find it?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> telexicon: could be smart
[07:21] <darnell> why isnt it suppose to work?
[07:22] <gnomefreak> darnell: its in early development
[07:22] <gnomefreak> gutsy has a few 3 months or so before its stable
[07:22] <gnomefreak> thats half the time of the ful devel period
[07:22] <gnomefreak> full
[07:23] <gnomefreak> telexicon: file it under the package that the bug is in
[07:23] <telexicon> ok
[07:23] <gnomefreak> add the link to upstream bug if you have it or you can add it after clicking on upstream
[07:56] <telexicon> what are the other -dbgsym packages i need to make things like 0xb7f47410 in __kernel_vsyscall (), show up
[07:59] <teethdood> I'm looking for an app that lists all my movie files (like a media center app). can anyone recommend me one?
[07:59] <telexicon> teethdood, you probably want to ask in #ubuntu
[07:59] <telexicon> this is a development channel
[08:00] <teethdood> I did but my question got drowned out :P just curious if anyone's willing to answer that's all
[08:00] <telexicon> i dont know
[08:01] <telexicon> i dont know of any app that does that, i dont use those kinds of things
[08:06] <DanaG> Something new in 2.6.22-git5:
[08:06] <DanaG>     libata: add FUJITSU MHV2080BH to NCQ blacklist          Please warmly welcome the first member from FUJITSU to the prestigious     NCQ spurious completion club.
[08:06] <DanaG> I have that hard drive, but with a different firmware revision, and I don't have that problem.
[09:37] <DanaG> I found something interesting in pavucontrol:
[09:37] <DanaG> If you grab a volume slider and move your mouse around rapidly, you can end up with the sliders saying 100% but the volume not at 100%.
[09:50] <variant> DanaG: file a bug
[11:43] <Latty> Hey all, trying to upgrade to gusty in Kubuntu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/119664/ < but getting that.
[11:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119664 in kdepim "Kubuntu upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy failed due to conflicting file in kdepimlibs" [High,Confirmed]
[11:43] <Latty> how can work around this?
[11:48] <Latty> Ah, appeared to have got it working.
[11:54] <mrsno> Latty please post a workaround if you indeed found one :-)
[12:07] <arpu> hi @all
[12:07] <arpu> can somebody help me to install the icam on a macbook ?
[12:07] <arpu> doi need install the driver ? too in gutsy ?


[04:41] <zhsj> after ubuntu upgrade to 14.10, sogou pinyin often crashs,http://i.imgur.com/kRh9nBP.png


[02:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: added a new comment and patch to the HDMI bug, please take a look when you get a chance.
[03:08] <bluesabre> !info thunar vivid
[03:08] <bluesabre> !info thunar vivid-proposed
[03:09] <bluesabre> lies
[03:09] <Unit193> And slander.  Also, it's not live feed, updates cache every morning.
[03:10] <bluesabre> ah
[03:10] <bluesabre> I'll wake it up tomorrow then :)
[03:10] <bluesabre> anyway, pushed updates to xubuntu-default-settings, xubuntu-meta, and thunar
[03:10] <bluesabre> so yay, productive night
[03:12]  * bluesabre wishes brainwash had a persistent client so he could be pinged after-hours
[03:24] <skellat> $ rmadison thunar | grep vivid
[03:24] <skellat>  thunar | 1.6.3-2ubuntu1 | vivid/universe   | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[03:56] <bluesabre> thats the one
[03:57] <bluesabre> ^ forestpiskie, thunar fix in vivid above ... will pkg and upload to utopic tomorrow
[05:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: http://paste.openstack.org/show/vGDcjIMoqZGDLyRxJa1S outdated in the xfce4-4.12 ppa.
[09:32] <ochosi> morning everyone
[10:32] <bluesabre> morning ochosi
[10:33] <bluesabre> see my ping?
[10:33] <ochosi> hey bluesabre
[10:33] <ochosi> yeah, i'll try to test that asap
[10:33] <ochosi> the xfsettings one you mean, right?
[10:34] <ochosi> it might still be helpful for the dialog/s to be a singleton, but i guess if your fix works, that's fine for now
[10:34] <bluesabre> yes, thats the one
[10:35] <bluesabre> I thought trying to make it a singleton might start an issue with the pluggable dialog in the settings manager
[10:35] <ochosi> hmyeah, that's the problem of making both dialogs *one* singleton i guess
[10:38] <ochosi> hm, that's maybe a different issue, but...
[10:38] <ochosi> the secondary monitor receives a leading "2."
[10:38] <ochosi> the internal display of the laptop is simply called "Laptop"
[10:38] <bluesabre> oh, no "1." ?
[10:38] <ochosi> nope
[10:39] <bluesabre> thats a different issue, I can look into that one separately
[10:39] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-11-03-113936.php
[10:39] <ochosi> your patch seems to work just fine btw
[10:39] <ochosi> no more crazy popping up minimal dialogs on my end
[10:40] <ochosi> have to admit that this time i tested on utopic, last time i tested on trusty
[10:40] <ochosi> can quickly test trusty too though
[10:41] <ochosi> were there any specific steps i need to follow btw? i just tried out all the setups i could think of... (disconnect cable, reconnect cable, mirror, extend, only hdmi, only lvds)
[10:42] <bluesabre> that's basically what I did... I reordered to code to do some things in a different order. The logic should be sound.
[10:44] <ochosi> cool
[10:44] <ochosi> i think you can push that
[10:45] <ochosi> i'm wondering whether we should put the numbering of the displays somewhere else, i.e. not in the name-string on the DND displays
[10:45] <bluesabre> I'll give it until tonight, then finally fix that annoying bug :)
[10:46] <bluesabre> ochosi: if we do, we'll have to add more logic somewhere... those strings are used everywhere
[10:46] <ochosi> oh
[10:46] <ochosi> in that case, let's not :>
[10:51] <bluesabre> :)
[11:10] <bluesabre> brainwash: ping
[11:10] <bluesabre> ^ please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1382977 for utopic and vivid (fixed in vivid)
[11:17] <ochosi> elfy: do you know whether gtk3.14 has landed in vivid already?
[11:26] <bluesabre> !info libgtk-3-0 vivid
[11:27] <bluesabre> ochosi ^ I'm guessing no
[11:28] <ochosi> yeah, seems like it
[11:28] <ochosi> i'm really gonna need a gtk3.14 test-env soonish
[11:28] <ochosi> and i don't feel like messing up my system with that ppa you "recommended ":)
[11:28] <bluesabre> It definitely wasn't a recommendation ;)
[11:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: anything else critical to take care of xfce4-settings?
[11:33] <ochosi> hm, i don't think so
[11:34] <ochosi> but we can quickly skim through the related bugzillas if you want
[11:35] <bluesabre> oh dang, theres a lot of bug reports
[11:38] <ochosi> well obviously :)
[11:38] <ochosi> but the question was whether there are any ciritcal ones
[11:38] <ochosi> that we'd have to check
[11:39] <bluesabre> right
[11:39] <bluesabre> several of these are from 2012 and earlier
[11:39] <bluesabre> they may very well be fixed
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah, i've never really looked at clearing that up tbh
[11:41] <ochosi> i just closed a bugreport btw ;)
[11:42] <bluesabre> woo
[11:43] <ochosi> and marked another as duplicate
[11:43] <bluesabre> nothing particularly critical for display-settings, but several interesting ones with xfsettingsd https://bugzilla.xfce.org/buglist.cgi?component=Xfsettingsd&list_id=19471&product=Xfce4-settings&resolution=---
[11:44] <ochosi> we could consider marking it as wontfix or testing it at least: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10069
[11:44] <ochosi> yeah, and a "funny" one :https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10419
[11:45] <bluesabre> ugh, your sense of humor is lacking
[11:46] <ochosi> bluesabre: this one is a good find though: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9091
[11:46] <ochosi> look at the last comment
[11:47] <ochosi> the closing with Esc is implemented already
[11:47] <ochosi> and the rest should be fixed once you push your patch
[11:48] <bluesabre> ah, that one looks annoying, and will definitely require a singleton to maybe fix...
[11:49] <bluesabre> oh hey, I actually have that key, and it works
[11:49] <bluesabre> that means I might be able to test/fix that issue
[11:49] <ochosi> :)
[11:50] <bluesabre> I'll try to take a look at that one tonight
[11:50] <ochosi> cool
[11:50] <ochosi> gotta get some work done now
[11:50] <ochosi> bbl
[11:51] <bluesabre> if you see brainwash_ around, poke him for lp 1382977
[11:51] <bluesabre> to set for utopic and vivid series
[11:51] <bluesabre> bbl
[12:02] <knome> could use memoserv
[12:04] <knome> sent him a memoserv note
[12:04] <knome> let's see if he looks at it when he joins the next time :)
[12:04] <knome> bbl ->
[12:39] <elfy> ochosi: as you've found out - not yet :)
[12:40] <elfy> also - alpha's was on the agenda for the last meeting - didn't get touched - I'd like to know sooner rather than later what we're doing this cycle
[14:18] <bluesabre> elfy: I think it was discussed that alphas would depend on when systemd was switched to default. It might make sense to at least go for alpha2
[14:18] <bluesabre> maybe not during the mtg though
[15:16] <elfy> bluesabre: lol - well that would have been the time I looked :D
[15:16] <elfy> and yea I would agree with that
[15:40] <elfy> found annoying issue #1 for vampire - numlock turns off halfway through boot :)
[15:55] <sidi> hi folks
[15:55] <sidi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4441
[15:55] <sidi> please have a look and comment, does this still happen?
[16:08] <elfy> anyone got any idea why apps would go all gtk2 ish ? http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-021114-100103.php
[16:09] <ochosi> xfsettingsd crashed?
[16:10] <elfy> not sure - I've rebooted since it happened - but it is happening rather frequently atm
[16:10] <elfy> next time I will check that - thanks ochosi :)
[16:10] <ochosi> sure thing
[16:10] <ochosi> i'm pretty sure that's what causes it
[16:10] <elfy> okey doke
[16:10] <ochosi> but it'd be good to know what causes xfsettingsd to crash
[16:10] <ochosi> best to look in the logs
[16:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you suddenly have irc during the day?
[16:11] <elfy> pretty certain I've only been seeing it since adding the 2 ppa's here - but circumstantial
[16:12] <elfy> ochosi: while you're here - what's your take on alpha's? bluesabre said a2 at least
[16:12] <ochosi> well i think one of those PPAs contained xfce4-settings
[16:12] <ochosi> yeah, i haven't had time to comment yet – i agree with the two of you
[16:12] <elfy> yep - just checked - I'll follow up on that xfsettingsd with this
[16:13] <elfy> ochosi: ok cool - that works for me :)
[16:13] <ochosi> cool
[16:14] <ochosi> then the release team has spoken :)
[16:14] <elfy> :D
[16:14] <elfy> I'll whip it off the agenda
[16:15] <elfy> ish
[16:15] <elfy> leaving core for the moment till we make a decision on that
[16:16] <ochosi> yup, good idea
[16:16] <ochosi> well, it wasn't a "proper" meeting, because not many ppl were about
[16:16] <ochosi> and those that were, only were semi-about
[16:17] <ochosi> so we made it a bit more informal instead of postponing it
[16:17] <elfy> yea - I'm never able to - unless not working
[16:56] <sidi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7463 anyone with a Virtualbox under hand?
[16:56] <sidi> oops wrong report
[16:56] <sidi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7951
[17:17] <elfy> sidi: well ...
[17:17] <elfy> I've not seen that issue in the last couple of years
[17:17] <elfy> bit old
[17:21] <sidi> elfy, next time you boot up a VM for QA would you mind trying to reproduce? :-)
[17:21] <sidi> so we can close it with certainty
[17:21] <sidi> (or if you already tested the panels recently i can ask for it to be closed directly...)
[17:24] <slickymasterWork> sidi, I've just reproduced the steps in https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7951 and I didn't have any crashes
[17:24] <sidi> slickymaster, thanks :-)
[17:25] <elfy> sidi: booted with my 15.04 vm - logged into xubuntu, moved panel from top to bottom, set to vertical moved it from side to side, set to deskbar - did the same, logged out and into xfce session - repeated them all again
[17:25] <slickymasterWork> this is on VBox 4.3.12 with Guest Addittions
[17:25] <elfy> newer vbox here
[17:26] <sidi> slicky what xub version?
[17:26] <sidi> i'll write that down i nthe report
[17:26] <slickymasterWork> 14.10 sidi
[17:26] <sidi> elfy also if you have your VBox version :-)
[17:26] <elfy> sidi: for sure I've looked at panels in 15.04/14.10/14.04
[17:26] <sidi> (i meant the vbox)
[17:27] <elfy> sidi: 4.3.18
[17:27] <slickymasterWork> sidi, with 3.16.0-22 kernel version
[17:27] <sidi> Great, thanks to both of you
[17:27] <elfy> sidi: yea - I was just telling you what I'd seen it on :)
[17:27] <slickymasterWork> I've already had post it -> this is on VBox 4.3.12 with Guest Addittions
[17:36] <sidi> oops
[17:36] <elfy> :)
[18:23] <brainwash> bluesabre: someone has to do the SRU paperwork for this bug
[18:47] <brainwash> ochosi: now that you are familiar with xdg-screensaver script -> bug 1366153
[19:37] <elfy> ochosi: so - how would I tell if it is xfsettingsd crashing?
[19:43] <elfy> in the meantime I've purged staging and will see if it happens with stock
[19:47] <ali1234> elfy: that is definitely xfsettings crash
[19:47] <ali1234> unless XChat is Qt, there's some problem with Qt themes not getting loaded
[19:48] <elfy> not qt as far as I know ali1234
[19:48] <ali1234> pgrep xfsettingsd
[19:48] <ali1234> is it running?
[19:48] <elfy> it was yes
[19:49] <ali1234> could be hung then
[19:49] <elfy> mmm
[19:49] <ali1234> try killing it, it should restart and the theme should come back
[19:50] <elfy> well I've restarted xchat and purged the staging PPA - so not actually going to be looking at the same set of circumstances
[19:50] <elfy> I'll carry on now as I am - if it does the same I'll kill it and see what happens
[19:51] <elfy> but if xfsettings did crash and/or hung - why has nothing else seen the same thing graphically?
[19:52] <ali1234> i don't know
[19:52] <elfy> ali1234: so I killed it
[19:52] <ali1234> it should affect all programs
[19:52] <elfy> I see xchat looking like that now - I also see firefox/tbird and clementine looking like it
[19:52] <elfy> previously only xchat
[19:53] <ali1234> seems like it's not a xfsettings crash then
[19:53] <elfy> start xfsettings and f/f and t/b are ok - xchat and clementine(QT) not
[19:54] <elfy> fail - clementine is ok
[19:55] <elfy> so it looks like an xfsettings crash - but it only appears to affect xchat :)
[19:55] <ali1234> yeah, maybe xchat doesn't notice when it comes back
[20:51] <elfy> Unit193: can you do some notes on http://pad.ubuntu.com/vivid-QA-plan re Core and what you think would be the best way to deal with testing it ?
[20:52] <Unit193> Uhhh..
[20:53] <elfy> thanks :)
[20:53] <Unit193> Sure, but isn't it just "test it only when big stacks land"?
[20:53] <elfy> fine by me - but can you put it on there - I for one am not going to try and remember things this cycle
[20:54] <elfy> once all the pads are done and we're happy I'll get everything onto trello
[20:54] <elfy> but - for that how are we going to monitor "when big stacks land" ?
[20:55] <Unit193> Nono, sure, that's fine, just making sure I'm not being too vague.  Basically, when Gnome things hit and we're worried about pulling more things than desired in.
[20:56] <elfy> well everything is vague atm - there's no release schedule for a start
[20:56] <elfy> and we can plan as much as we like - but there are no trackers either :)
[20:57] <Unit193> That good or should I say more?
[20:58] <elfy> that's fine - just saves trying to remember stuff later
[20:58] <elfy> thanks
[20:58] <Unit193> Sure.
[20:58] <Unit193> No problem.
[20:58] <elfy> and if you think of anything else - add it - for anything obvioulsy not just core
[20:59] <elfy> ochosi: at some point *soon* we'll need to try and finalise this incentive scheme too
[21:00] <ochosi> elfy: indeed
[21:00] <ochosi> i mean it seemed to me that there was an agreement on how it should look
[21:00] <ochosi> i mean in terms of what people get for participating
[21:00] <elfy> not sure what the last thing was you saw - there was talk of certificates too possibly :)
[21:01] <ochosi> certificates?
[21:01] <ochosi> oh, then i didn't see the last rev i guess :)
[21:01] <ochosi> where's it at these days?
[21:02] <elfy> knome: thought about it - design and print things
[21:02] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/QAIncentive
[21:02] <ochosi> you mean like actual pieces of paper printed out and sent via snail mail to be hung on walls and the like?
[21:02] <elfy> at some point it will need to be wiki'd or x.org'd
[21:02] <elfy> I guess :)
[21:03] <ochosi> indeed
[21:03] <ochosi> and the colorful part needs to be cleaned up a li'l
[21:03] <ochosi> i mean from my pov it's pretty much ready to go ahead
[21:04] <elfy> not following - colourful part?
[21:04] <ochosi> well, the part that was edited by multiple people ;)
[21:04] <ochosi> in the pad, that's colorful
[21:04] <elfy> oh right - yea - whole thing needs cleaning up properly
[21:05] <elfy> thinking about it - x.org would probably be the place to keep it rather than wiki - wiki anyone can edit it
[21:05] <ochosi> guess it's a question of -marketing stepping in and finalising it
[21:05] <ochosi> or: pleia2 and knome :)
[21:05] <elfy> I'd say so - then I can let go of the string :D
[21:06] <elfy> http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-qa-v-cycle
[21:06] <knome> i can design the certs
[21:06] <knome> i can probably even do that today, or at least a draft
[21:07] <elfy> ochosi: draft QA processes is better than the last time you saw it too, just needs to be finished - soon(ish)
[21:07] <elfy> knome: evening :)
[21:07] <knome> hello elfy
[21:10] <ochosi> elfy: oh, cool, i'll take a look in a little bit
[21:10] <ochosi> i was just linking another bug to our v-tracker
[21:10] <pleia2> stickers too?
[21:11] <pleia2> I need to know how many we want so I can let unixstickers know :)
[21:11]  * ochosi kindly asked robert ancell to patch the headerbars out of simplescan for xubuntu and he agreed
[21:11] <elfy> pleia2: basically yes
[21:11] <elfy> 2 at most per month per cycle and I suppose we should look at least for 1 cycle
[21:12] <pleia2> ok, so start off with a dozen or so sheets of stickers?
[21:12] <pleia2> and maybe a couple more for us (I want some!)
[21:12] <knome> huhu, me too :|
[21:12] <elfy> that would be enough for 15.04 for sure
[21:12] <knome> ^ me plz!
[21:12] <knome> :D
[21:13] <pleia2> :)
[21:13] <ochosi> knome: got time for some artwork talk?
[21:13] <knome> ochosi, i guess so :)
[21:13] <ochosi> just some small things i've been thinking about
[21:13] <knome> sure
[21:13] <ochosi> 1) the panel icons
[21:13] <ochosi> 2) xfwm4 theme tweaks
[21:14] <ochosi> ad 1) i've been considering to port the new icons from upstream
[21:14] <ochosi> started with battery icons first, i think they look quite nice
[21:14] <ochosi> so far so good.
[21:14] <ochosi> but they are a bit smaller
[21:14] <ochosi> which is nice, because it gives the icons in the panel more padding, makes it look loftier
[21:15] <ochosi> also means touching some of the other icons (not too many though)
[21:15] <knome> screenshots / comparisons available?
[21:16] <ochosi> pro is: better ability to resize panels below 24px height
[21:16] <ochosi> (without cropping icons, that is)
[21:16] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-11-03-221640.php
[21:16] <ochosi> proposed ^
[21:17] <ochosi> the current one you should see on your laptop i guess
[21:17] <ochosi> if not, this is an old screenshot where it's visible too: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-08-03-122819.php
[21:18] <ochosi> frankly, the current one feels a little too tall, so i don't mind changing that
[21:18] <ochosi> but the proposed one is a bit smaller and makes the other icons feel just a tick too big
[21:18] <elfy> holy icon city
[21:18] <ochosi> the resizing is not a huge problem, but before i get into it, i wanted a second opinion
[21:19] <knome> ochosi, i dislike the proposed power icon, feels a bit too squeezed imo
[21:19] <ochosi> even with an 18px panel, the icon remains usable (though cropped by 1px, so not extremely pretty) https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/261436/4881743/e6614758-634c-11e4-8107-eaae532755f2.png
[21:21] <knome> elfy, bug assignee was good!
[21:21] <ochosi> gotta find a screenshot of the icon together with others of its size i guess, kinda puts it in perspective a bit better
[21:21] <knome> prolly
[21:22] <ochosi> if the resolution werent a bit low, you could see the diff quite nicely here: http://www.elementaryos-fr.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/luna_freya.jpeg
[21:23] <knome> "thanks" i guess :P
[21:24] <ochosi> this is a bit better: http://i.imgur.com/vX4z0pO.png
[21:25] <knome> hmph, i still don't like it
[21:29] <ochosi> dunno, i kinda do :)
[21:30] <knome> well there's literally your "second opinion" then ;)
[21:30] <ochosi> hehe
[21:30] <elfy> knome: lol - I didn't do anything for it really
[21:30] <ochosi> i'll have to get a third then :D
[21:30] <elfy> black on black
[21:31] <knome> elfy, you did :P
[21:31] <knome> elfy, anyway, as long as it's linked to status.ubuntu.com, i think it's better to have *some* assignee than none
[21:31] <elfy> then whoever pushed it should be assigned
[21:32] <elfy> imo
[21:32] <knome> i guess i did the pushing action
[21:32] <elfy> and you and slickymaster did the majority of the rest of it - the result isn't anything like what I did
[21:33] <knome> stop being so humble :P
[21:33] <elfy> lol
[21:34] <elfy> I wrote something and then it got changed - what's humble about that :)
[21:34] <elfy> anyway - enough of that
[21:34] <Unit193> knome: "Welcome back"
[21:36] <knome> Unit193, "Thanks"
[21:43] <elfy> "night all"
[21:45] <ochosi> knome: soo...
[21:45] <ochosi> ad 2) there is an xfwm4 branch of greybird in git
[21:45] <ochosi> if you wanna take a quick look
[21:46] <ochosi> since i only changed the hover/pressed states, you have to try it, screenshots won't cut it
[21:46] <knome> aww
[21:46] <knome> ;)
[21:47] <knome> remind me another day
[21:48] <ochosi> hah, lazy knome
[21:55] <knome> very
[22:02] <ochosi> brainwash: frankly, xdg-screensaver is such a mess, especially in ubuntu, i'm not a huge fan of touching it again. lubuntu can fix this easily by shipping their own xflock4 script in some package
[23:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: xfdesktop4 .8 in Debian now, fixes a spelling error in xfdesktop4-dbg synopsis.
[23:36] <slickymaster> forestpiskie, just for the record let me state that I concur with knome's reasoning, as as far as I'm concerned, the main lifting was made by you, not us


[07:23] <dholbach> good morning
[15:40] <hexmode> morning...
[16:00] <hexmode> dholbach: starting at the top of the list, trying to do 1 pkg/day (at least
[16:01] <hexmode> working on validate
[17:02] <dholbach> hexmode: yeeeeeeeeeehaw! :)
[17:04] <dholbach> hexmode: thanks for your work on this :)
[17:13] <hexmode> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-php/pear/php-validate/debian/
[17:15] <hexmode> dholbach: and just under a year after you did the initial work!!!
[17:16] <hexmode> this is open source operating at light speed :P
[17:16] <dholbach> ROCK and ROLL :)
[17:22] <hexmode> email sent for the bug and pkg-php-maint... I'll try one more quick one
[17:27] <hexmode> dholbach: recaptcha ITP was closed. re-filing
[17:29] <dholbach> super
[19:06] <hexmode> http://bugs.debian.org/586355 -- also have php-recaptcha in svn, but can't completely test ATM since d/ling the code from googlecode isn't working


[18:00] <elfy> who's here for Forum Council meeting other than coffeecat and Iowan
[18:01] <Iowan> Not a quorum, but nut much requiring a vote.
[18:01] <elfy> #startmeeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[18:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun May 19 18:01:47 2013 UTC.  The chair is elfy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:01] <Iowan> *not
[18:02] <elfy> nothign requiring a vote even
[18:02] <elfy> agenda is empty other than fixed items
[18:02] <elfy> and we can do that - both happy?
[18:02] <Iowan> :)
[18:02] <elfy> coffeecat ^^ ?
[18:03] <coffeecat> o/
[18:03] <elfy> you happy for the 3 of us to make the other 4 do the month's task?
[18:03] <Iowan> :D
[18:03] <coffeecat> :)
[18:04] <elfy> or shall we do what we did last month task wise except I will go through monthly report with sef ?
[18:04] <Iowan> +1
[18:05] <coffeecat> ok
[18:05] <elfy> #info all to do tasks as last month - except elfy will work through monthly report with sef
[18:06] <coffeecat> The contact us form is the most onerous. Suggest you pm the missing ones to see if one of them wants to volunteer.
[18:06] <elfy> obviously got syntax wrong there then :)
[18:06] <elfy> coffeecat: it's been fairly easy this month
[18:06] <coffeecat> lucky old you!
[18:06] <coffeecat> I get all the weird ones it seems.
[18:06] <elfy> :)
[18:07] <coffeecat> I'm happy to carry on with the welcome pm. I get one pointless reply per day.
[18:07] <elfy> #nick coffeecat to deal with welcome pm
[18:07] <Iowan> Curious why I've been getting some, too...
[18:07] <elfy> well I hate this bot then :)
[18:08] <coffeecat> Iowan - probably old ones - people who've only just worked out how to login.
[18:08] <elfy> Iowan: it'll be an admincp setting
[18:08] <elfy> or that
[18:08] <Iowan> Doesn't bother me - just curious
[18:09] <Iowan> elfy - #action?
[18:09] <elfy> possibly
[18:09] <elfy> #action coffeecat to deal with welcome pm
[18:09] <meetingology> ACTION: coffeecat to deal with welcome pm
[18:09] <elfy> yay
[18:10] <elfy> #action elfy to work through Monthly Report with Sef
[18:10] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to work through Monthly Report with Sef
[18:10] <elfy> #action contact us link to be elfy
[18:10] <meetingology> ACTION: contact us link to be elfy
[18:10]  * Iowan just skates by again...
[18:11] <elfy> mmm - who did first contact in RC ? was it merk?
[18:11] <Iowan> All of  us?
[18:12] <pleia2> if you don't mind, I do have a quick question for the FC (from the newsletter team)
[18:12] <coffeecat> I think it's just whoever first notices.
[18:12] <elfy> I thought merk was first - unless someone pitched up
[18:12] <elfy> pleia2: ok - give us a moment
[18:12] <elfy> #action RC first contact - whoever notices first
[18:12] <meetingology> ACTION: RC first contact - whoever notices first
[18:13] <coffeecat> I'll create an account name "whoever notices first" ;-)
[18:13] <elfy> anything else?
[18:13] <elfy> coffeecat: can I #action that :D
[18:13] <coffeecat> lol
[18:13] <elfy> nothing else that I can think of
[18:14] <coffeecat> nothing I can think of
[18:14] <Iowan> nothing here...
[18:14] <elfy> k
[18:14] <elfy> hi pleia2 - how can we help the newsletter team?
[18:14] <pleia2> ask ubuntu sent us a nice script for pulling weekly stats (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue312#Ask_Ubuntu_Top_5_Questions_this_week ) does the forums have the ability/desire to include something similar stats-wise?
[18:14] <elfy> mmm
[18:14] <pleia2> if not, that's fine, but I did want to reach out
[18:15] <elfy> sounds like a great idea - except last week it would likely have been the community is being ignored again :D
[18:15] <pleia2> that's ok, we try to be as non-bias as possible in reporting :)
[18:16] <pleia2> good news, bad news, whatever!
[18:16] <elfy> can we think about how we could actually try and make it work forum wise - it's a bit different there - we don't close things like AU does obviosuly
[18:16]  * pleia2 nods
[18:16] <elfy> but it sounds like a good idea if we can get around what and how to do it to me
[18:16] <elfy> coffeecat Iowan ? thoughts at a first glance?
[18:17] <pleia2> we hang out in #ubuntu-news or you can just ping me once/if you have an idea
[18:17] <Iowan> make it an agenda item for next time - just as a reminder to us weak-memoried
[18:17] <elfy> yea - I can usually find you pleia2
[18:17] <pleia2> I just wanted to put the invite out there (we aren't specifically including askubuntu and excluding you! they asked and provided a script)
[18:18] <elfy> #action - look into 'stat' script for newsletter - FC mailing list
[18:18] <pleia2> thanks everyone :)
[18:18] <meetingology> ACTION: - look into 'stat' script for newsletter - FC mailing list
[18:18] <Iowan> that works, too...
[18:18] <coffeecat> I suppose we could go by tags - it should be straightforward to search for them - but not everyone uses tags or those who do even sensibly
[18:18] <elfy> yea coffeecat agreed - but certainly something we can look at
[18:18] <elfy> even if it's hand done once a month by mmmm
[18:18] <Iowan> gonna take some head-scratching
[18:18] <elfy> cariboo907
[18:19] <pleia2> monthly is fine too
[18:19] <elfy> cos he's not here either :p
[18:19] <coffeecat> yeah - raw data on number of new posts/threads is fairly boring.
[18:19] <elfy> pleia2: we'll have a think - thanks for coming by
[18:19] <Iowan> ban /infraction list ;)
[18:19] <elfy> coffeecat: agreed with that
[18:19] <coffeecat> lol
[18:20] <elfy> anything else?
[18:20] <elfy> anyone?
[18:21] <Iowan> nothing productive
[18:21] <coffeecat> nothing more from me
[18:21] <elfy> ok
[18:21] <elfy> #endmeeting
[18:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun May 19 18:21:41 2013 UTC.
[18:21] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-05-19-18.01.moin.txt
[18:21] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-05-19-18.01.html
[18:21] <elfy> thanks both - thanks pleia2 :)
[18:21] <coffeecat> thanks elfy
[18:22] <Iowan> Thanks for running the show elfy
[18:22] <elfy> lol
[18:23] <elfy> #nick does work it seems for the logs at least