[09:13] <hax4dayz> Hey anyone know how to stop the random freezing on a imac g4 mini?
[09:13] <hax4dayz> I am using the powerpc iso
[14:38] <bumb> hi there
[14:38] <randomdude999> hi
[14:39] <bumb> could you please recommend a software for ripping audio CDs / copy them to the PC?
[14:40] <randomdude999> from a bit of googling i found ripperx
[14:43] <randomdude999> ubuntu's default one is called sound-juicer
[14:51] <bumb> i have ubuntu 18.10, there is no sound-juicer
[14:55] <randomdude999_> you mean, it's not preinstalled or it's not present in the repos?
[14:55] <randomdude999_> bumb
[14:57] <bumb> both
[14:58] <lopta> bumb: cdparanoia
[14:59] <bumb> thanks, i'll try that one
[15:00]  * lopta nods
[15:16] <lopta> Well crap, I don't think this machine's going to take Lubuntu.
[15:17] <lopta> My guess is that the processor or graphics are unsupported.
[17:58] <genii> !yahoo
[22:00] <str4ka> hi


[00:01] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/kde-style-bespin-0.1~svn100126/config/config.cpp: In function 'void ensureIcons()':
[00:01] <ScottK> /tmp/buildd/kde-style-bespin-0.1~svn100126/config/config.cpp:1297:64: error: taking address of temporary [-fpermissive]
[00:01] <ScottK> Any suggestions?
[00:01] <ScottK> kde-style-bespin is anyone wants to take a whack at it.
[00:54] <apachelogger> isnt bespin like way dead?
[01:14] <valorie> http://www.afktavern.com - ubuntu hour is scheduled, and I hope to be there in Kub. gear
[01:14] <valorie> :-)
[01:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Probably.  It should get fixed or remove.  I don't care much which.
[07:47] <yurchor> Hi!. It seems that 11.10 uses "nm09" branch for KNetworkManager (translation templates are build from this branch). Is this the developers decision? What about upstream uses "master" for translations?
[07:52] <debfx> yurchor: it's not exactly a choice of ours since gnome 3 requires nm 0.9 so Ubuntu switched to it
[07:55] <yurchor> debfx: A-ha... Thanks. Maybe it is worth to ask developers to splir translation of "master" (to stable) and "nm09" (to trunk)? I can ask about this in kde-i18n-doc.
[07:56] <bambee> morning
[08:01] <debfx> yurchor: where are the networkmanagement translations?
[08:02] <debfx> having translations for both branches would certainly be a good thing
[08:02] <yurchor> debfx: Now they are in extragear-base/trunk. Ex.: http://l10n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk-kde4/po/libknetworkmanager.po/
[08:03] <bambee> Is it possible for a non kde core developer to get his blog on planetkde.org ?
[08:12] <valorie> bambee, sure
[08:12] <valorie> mine is
[08:13] <valorie> I'm about as far from core devel as you can get
[08:13] <bambee> ok :)
[08:13] <bambee> I need to ask sysadmins , I guess ?
[08:13] <valorie> yes, you file a bug
[08:14] <valorie> if you often write about something other than KDE, you'll want to make a /KDE feed request
[08:15] <bambee> mhhh
[08:15] <bambee> ok
[08:16] <valorie> I just changed mine
[08:16] <valorie> the sysadmins rocks
[08:16] <valorie> -s
[08:17] <bambee> ohh everything is explained on planetkde.org :)
[08:18] <Tm_T> considering my blog is there too...
[08:20] <bambee> RHAAAAA!!!!!! fu**$*@ pbuilder ! it has broken my basetgz for the THIRD time o_O
[08:20] <bambee> :'(
[08:21] <bambee> my poor oneiric-ninjas.tgz :'(
[08:32] <debfx> dpm: do source packages that have the same templates not share translations?
[08:36] <debfx> dpm: plasma-widget-networkmanagement has been renamed to networkmanagement, which of them is going to be exported to language packs?
[08:36] <dpm> debfx, the sharing happens between templates with the same name, in the same source package and in different releases. So kdebase-workspace/kaccess (srcpkg/template) in Natty will share translations with kdebase-workspace/kaccess Maverick. Unfortunately, the source package in this particular case has changed in Oneiric (to kde-workspace/kaccess), so the Oneiric template will no longer share translations with the previous templates
[08:37] <dpm> debfx, in that case, we'll just rename the template manually. I don't remember having done that one, bu I can do it now. From which source package is that template?
[08:38] <debfx> dpm: those are source packages
[08:38] <dpm> debfx, ah, right, in that case we just change the source package field in the template
[08:38] <debfx> the templates are knetworkmanager, libknetworkmanager and plasma-applet-networkmanagement
[08:39] <dpm> which is what we did in the example above (change from kdebase-workspace to kde-workspace)
[08:40] <dpm> debfx, so just to confirm (I'll do the change now): I should change the 'plasma-widget-networkmanagement' source package in the knetworkmanager, libknetworkmanager and plasma-applet-networkmanagement templates to 'networkmanagement'
[08:41] <debfx> dpm: yep
[08:41] <debfx> how can I check to which source package a template is linked?
[08:41] <dpm> by the url, for example
[08:42] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/+pots/libknetworkmanager
[08:42] <dpm> +source/plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[08:42] <dpm> +pots/libknetworkmanager
[08:43] <debfx> yes, but how do I know which template is exported?
[08:43] <debfx> in this case libknetworkmanager exists for both plasma-widget-networkmangement and networkmanagement
[08:47] <dpm> debfx, both will be exported, as it seems we approved both instead of renaming the source package (probably as a mistake). In that case, I'll just disable the plasma-widget-... one
[08:49] <dpm> debfx, done. There should now only be templates for the networkmanagement source package
[08:52] <dpm> does anyone know the debconf-kde developers? They include translations in a non-standard way (neither for Ubuntu nor for KDE), so we cannot import them: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/debconf-kde/+imports the po files should be named po/ll.po instead of po/ll/libdebconf-kde.po
[08:57] <debfx> dpm: that seems to be a packaging issue
[09:04] <Quintasan> Good morning.
[09:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: is Gwenview fixed?
[09:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What are we doing with mobipocket? I agree that the name is very generic, can we do something about that?
[09:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: same with svgpart
[09:08] <debfx> good morning
[09:08] <Quintasan> Hello debfx
[09:08] <debfx> Quintasan: you are a bit late. all kde 4.7 packages are in the archive
[09:08] <Quintasan> Good sine I got into 4.6.95 mode
[09:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: fix the wiki then
[09:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i'm at a intel event right now, will have a look when i get home
[09:09] <Quintasan> Oh I see.
[09:09] <Quintasan> I'll do it later then
[09:09] <Quintasan> Have fun
[09:11] <Quintasan> debfx: Could you tell me how does exactly ${sameVersionDep:kdelibs5-dev:libokularcore1} work?
[09:13] <debfx> Quintasan: have you read man:/dh_sameversiondep?
[09:14] <Quintasan> oh, so it has a manpage :/
[09:15] <debfx> yes, one of the few things in pkg-kde-tools that is well documented ;)
[09:16]  * Quintasan never undestood that magic completely and thinks it's time to chage that
[09:17] <shadeslayer> btw has anyone here ever booted kubuntu on a macbook pro? plz2leave me a ping
[09:17]  * bambee blames pbuilder
[09:20] <Quintasan> bambee: What's wrong?
[09:20] <bambee> Quintasan: it has crashed and it has broken my basetgz tarball and my packages rules (debian.tar.gz)
[09:21] <bambee> I cannot rebuild a new basetgz since pbuilder --create is broken too
[09:21] <bambee> :D
[09:21] <Quintasan> How did you break pbuilder --create? :O
[09:22] <bambee> pbuilder is useful but sometimes it irritates me! (like today)
[09:22] <bambee> :)
[09:23] <Quintasan> bambee: You can always do it like Riddell
[09:23] <bambee> ?
[09:23] <Quintasan> debootstrap, chroot and dpkg-buildpackage :P
[09:23] <debfx> dpm: I think I'll just import the debconf-kde upstream translations through kde-l10n-XX. do you want me to drop those libdebconf-kde.po files or can we just leave them unimported?
[09:23]  * Quintasan needs to try cowdancer some times
[09:24] <Riddell> chroots are much under rated, pbuilder is way overrated, it shouldn't be use for anything other than a final test
[09:24] <Quintasan> or whatever was this thing called that used lvm
[09:24] <Quintasan> sbuild was it?
[09:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: How much space does one pbuilder take?
[09:25] <Riddell> I've no idea
[09:25] <Riddell> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 81M 2011-06-02 10:17 /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz
[09:26] <dpm> debfx, yeah, that sounds good. We can leave them unimported.
[09:33] <debfx> apachelogger: why do we have desktop_* stuff in desktop-template-list from pkg-kde-tools? the upstream .desktop files already contain the translations, right?
[09:36] <bambee> Quintasan: I can also take an old base.tgz and upgrade it by hand :D
[09:36] <bambee> (using --login and --save-after-login)
[09:36] <bambee> but it's boring :\
[09:36]  * Quintasan forgot to setup and LVM
[09:39] <Quintasan> meh
[09:39] <Quintasan> sbuild + LVM is not worth the effort
[09:41] <Quintasan> yofel: okular 4.6.95 done and uploaded to
[09:41] <Quintasan> PPA
[09:57] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:57] <_StefanS_> is the daily somewhat stable ?
[09:58] <_StefanS_> kde wise
[09:58] <_StefanS_> judging from kubuntu ninjas in the topic, only kdepim is missing -- which i dont intend to use anyway
[10:00] <bambee> Riddell: Hi!  are you the only person in charge of Planet KDE ? I probably can also CC the sysadmins team... (the field "Assign To" contains only your email on the bugzilla)
[10:00] <Riddell> bambee: me and sysadmins, what's up?
[10:00] <Quintasan> _StefanS_: Daily what?
[10:00] <Quintasan> _StefanS_: 4.7 RC1 landed in oneiric
[10:00] <bambee> ohh ok
[10:01] <Quintasan> _StefanS_: oneiric is not considered stable for daily use
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: I know its not stable, but a week ago kde was broken, hence my question
[10:03] <debfx> didrocks: I think it's best to just disable the qmldesigner plugin on ARM
[10:03] <Quintasan> _StefanS_: AFAIK all KDE 4.7 packages have landed in oneiric and it should work now
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: ah sweet, I usually pick up each new relase after alpha2, and that has almost always been quite stable to me
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: thanks for the info :)
[10:04] <didrocks> debfx: hum, can work as well. I see little reason to use qtcreator on arm TBH :)
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: is there a better method rather than dist-upgrade ?
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: update-manager -d or something
[10:05] <Quintasan> no idea, I do :%s/natty/oneiric on my sources.list and upgrade ^_^
[10:06] <_StefanS_> Quintasan: alright then :D
[10:06] <_StefanS_> have a nice day ,and keep up the good work - Riddell all others ;)
[10:07] <debfx> didrocks: yeah, I've opened a upstream bug report anyway. it would be good to have a build system check that disables the plugin when it's not supported
[10:08] <didrocks> debfx: let me try this, and add qmlpuppet then
[10:36] <cdbs> The KDE 4.7 RC1 transition is over? Is the kdesudo issue known?
[10:58] <debfx> cdbs: yes, I'm not sure what the kdesudo issue is
[11:02] <cdbs> debfx: When I run kdesudo, I get a weird error, http://paste.kde.org/99409/
[11:24] <cdbs> Alright, I'll report that as a bug
[11:26] <apachelogger> debfx: the upstream desktop_ files are collections of all desktop file strings in a module
[11:26] <apachelogger> so you have desktop_baseapps or something like that
[11:27] <apachelogger> so I reckon it is simpler to just fetch translations from upstream and provide them for launchpad rather than anything else
[11:27] <apachelogger> or something or nothing
[11:27]  * apachelogger just now got up
[11:33] <shadeslayer> \o
[11:57] <debfx> apachelogger: so we just throw away the translations from desktop files?
[11:57] <apachelogger> debfx: yes, that is how the masters of ubuntu l10n envisioned it to work
[12:00] <debfx> ok, so we don't have any desktop file upstream translations for non-KDE SC packages where we don't set KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT
[12:01] <apachelogger> I think(tm)
[12:01] <apachelogger> in main at least
[12:01] <apachelogger> universe isn't stipped
[12:03] <cdbs> Seems like kdesudo doesn't work when KDE is started through lightm
[12:03] <cdbs> *lightdm
[12:06] <yofel> o/
[12:07] <davmor2> cdbs: I think there is a similar issue for gnome too
[12:07] <cdbs> davmor2: probably yes
[12:07] <cdbs> it works only with kdm
[12:07] <cdbs> that's all
[12:12] <debfx> so we need to move that source package -> desktop file template mapping inside pkg-kde-tools
[12:12] <debfx> who is going to implement that?
[12:12]  * debfx looks at apachelogger
[12:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: something's still not right with kate, with katepart at least kile works again, but kdevelop still errors out unless you install 'kate'
[13:09] <apachelogger> debfx: more likely kde-l10n-common IMHO
[13:10] <apachelogger> kde-l10n-common fetches the templates as per mapping, which can go wrong if pkg-kde-tools on the excution rootsys is not the most recent one
[13:10] <apachelogger> so, since I do not remember the details I thought that moving it to the l10n branch instead made more sense
[13:22] <ScottK> cdbs: Don't run muon with kdesudo.  It uses policykit.
[13:23] <debfx> apachelogger: kde-l10n isn't involved in building packages though, we need the information when writing the template name into the desktop files
[13:26] <apachelogger> meh
[13:26] <apachelogger> debfx: perhaps l10n should branch pkg-kde-tools then
[13:27] <apachelogger> and take the list of templates to fetch from bzr rather than the installed package
[13:27] <ScottK> Looks like kubuntu-desktop is installable and purely 4.6.90.
[13:27] <ScottK> (I had to rebuild ktorrent last night)
[13:33] <ScottK> We don't build libqtwebkit4-declarative anymore, but plasma-mobile depends on it.  What's the plan for that?
[13:34] <debfx> ScottK: s/libqtwebkit4-declarative/libqtwebkit-qmlwebkitplugin/
[13:35] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[13:35] <ScottK> Do you want to fix it or should I?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: herp derp
[13:36] <shadeslayer> will look
[13:37] <shadeslayer> i couldn't boot the oneiric daily anyways
[13:38] <debfx> ScottK: I'd appreciate if you could fix it
[13:38] <ScottK> OK
[13:49] <ScottK> Just fixed kdegraphics package names so it should be installable again.
[13:56] <ScottK> plasma-mobile fixed.
[13:56] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks again for the fix.
[14:00] <ScottK> Now that kubuntu-desktop is installable with 4.7, it's time to look at CD size.  I'm open to suggestions.
[14:02] <yofel> 724M ouch (and 745 or powerpc)
[14:03] <ScottK> Yup
[14:04] <debfx> ScottK: is python 2.6 going to be removed this cycle?
[14:04] <ScottK> Not sure yet.
[14:04] <yofel> do we have something that tracks what got added/dropped between the iso builds?
[14:05] <ScottK> We should get it off the CD though.
[14:05] <ScottK> I'm currently looking at that.
[14:05] <yofel> true, we have 3 python versions on the disk
[14:05] <debfx> yofel: I have a natty->oneiric diff: https://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-amd64-diff.htm
[14:05] <ScottK> debfx: It gets pulled in by python-kde4 depends libpython2.6 (>= 2.6), libpython2.7 (>= 2.7)
[14:06] <yofel> debfx: ah, nice
[14:06] <debfx> ScottK: can we just drop the python 2.6 modules?
[14:06] <debfx> we didn't have those in natty
[14:07] <debfx> the non-default themes need to be moved from kde-workspace-data and kdm into another package
[14:08] <ScottK> It's a packaging bug in pykde4.
[14:08] <yofel> it depends on python-all-dev which pulls in python-2.6-dev
[14:08] <ScottK> It should be libpython2.6 (>= 2.6) | libpython2.7 (>= 2.7) or something like that.
[14:09] <ScottK> It build-depens on -all-dev, not depends
[14:09] <yofel> er, right
[14:09] <ScottK> Building for all versions is correct.
[14:09] <ScottK> Depending on both libpython versions is not.
[14:09] <debfx> ScottK: I think the python debhelper needs to be improved to handle that
[14:10] <ScottK> Probably.
[14:10] <yofel> right, that's probably added by python:Depends
[14:11] <debfx> yofel: no, they link against libpython
[14:11] <yofel> ah
[14:11] <yofel> ok
[14:12] <ScottK> debfx: pykde4-4.6.80/debian//patches/01_python_modules_dont_link_against_libpython.diff
[14:12] <ScottK> That's in Debian.
[14:13] <ScottK> I think that's the solution.
[14:14] <debfx> it doesn't work though
[14:14] <ScottK> No?
[14:14] <debfx> python-kde4 in Debian depends on both libpython
[14:15] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:15] <debfx> even if we drop the python2.6 dependency we waste some space by having two versions of the bindings
[14:15] <ScottK> No.
[14:15] <ScottK> Oh, true.
[14:16] <ScottK> That's unavoidable until python2.6 is no longer supported.
[14:16] <debfx> we didn't have python2.6 bindings in natty so it wouldn't be a regression to just drop them again
[14:17] <ScottK> True, but it was a bug.
[14:17] <ScottK> I'd say let's get python2.6 itself off the CD and then see where we are.
[14:17] <debfx> with positive side effects :)
[14:37] <ScottK> Looks like dropping the libpython dependency could be done in debian/rules, but would take more thinking than I've got time for at the moment.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: looks like they're still undecided on kate
[15:50] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment, could you please do Bug #814148?
[15:50] <ScottK> kubuntu-full is installable again.
[15:50] <Riddell> let me see if I can remember how
[15:51] <Riddell> done
[15:55] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:36] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4] Philip Muškovac * 5 * debian/ (changelog control) Merge branch lp:~bambi/kubuntu-packaging/pykde4
[16:58] <ScottK> yofel: What did that fix?
[16:59] <yofel> nothing, he had a merge for 4.6.95 pending
[16:59] <ScottK> OK.
[17:00] <ScottK> Need to convince it not to link to libpython.
[17:00]  * yofel has no clue how to do that
[17:01]  * ScottK has some clues, but hopes Debian will fix it.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Has anyone upgraded from natty to oneirc recently?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> is anything broken>
[17:53] <yofel> upgraded no, but I'm running O here, works fine
[17:53] <bambee> shadeslayer: if you've keyboard and mouse broken on X, look at the #ubuntu+1 topic , there is a bug for that
[17:53] <bambee> but it should be fixed now
[17:53] <yofel> at least if you're using ninjas. Haven't tried plain O in a while
[17:53] <bambee> except this bug, everything rocks and works fine here :)
[17:53] <yofel> bambee: that's long fixed
[17:53] <shadeslayer> actually i'm thinking of upgrading
[17:54] <shadeslayer> i had fun installing kubuntu on my new macbook pro
[17:54] <shadeslayer> it seems that the CD falls back to a usb live system if it fails to boot
[17:55] <shadeslayer> ah wth, i'll upgrade
[17:56] <bambee> shadeslayer: you're not booting with a iusb-key .... :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer> with a what
[17:56] <bambee> a iusb key, it's just a usb key with the apple logo :P
[17:56] <shadeslayer> heh

[17:56] <bambee> :D
[17:56] <shadeslayer> i wrapped my naked usb key in a iCloth, that makes it a iUsb key
[17:57] <shadeslayer> bambee: the best thing is, i've tethered my phone to my laptop so that i can connect to the wifi network xD
[17:59] <bambee> xD
[17:59]  * yofel would've preferred not learning what that wifi workaround was...
[17:59] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ndiswrapper makes everything crap out
[17:59] <shadeslayer> so that was my only other choice
[18:00] <bambee> to connect my ac100 on my home network, I need to plug my phone to my smartbook too, because the internal wifi card does not work well :(
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yeah, one of the reasons i'm upgrading
[18:01] <shadeslayer> new kernel brings in new hope ;)
[18:02] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[18:02] <jussi> !hope
[18:02] <jussi> bah, no hope factoid? I think that needs fixing..
[18:09] <ScottK> No hope sounds about right.
[18:12] <jussi> hehe
[18:36] <apachelogger> sheytan: ping
[18:40] <sheytan> apachelogger pong
[18:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: do you have time to mock up more interaction scenarios for a video player?
[18:41] <apachelogger> like how to open a file? is there file browsing at all or a collection? ...
[18:43] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/GAr0H.png
[18:43] <apachelogger> I reckon that is the fullscreen mode?
[18:43] <apachelogger> what should the non-fullscreen version look like?
[18:46] <sheytan> apachelogger i have some ideas, but can't mock them up today
[18:46] <sheytan> mayne tomorrow :)
[18:46] <apachelogger> good enough for me :)
[18:50]  * yofel wonders if dirk forgot to tag 4.7.0 or if they'll postpone the release.
[18:51] <yofel> oh, and we still have kdevelop packages that need to be tested
[18:51] <yofel> 4.6.5 is long out..
[19:03] <ScottK> Isn't 4.6.5 in the PPA?
[19:04] <yofel> it is, but it's not on the packaging page anymore, so the topic was wrong
[19:04] <ScottK> Oh.
[20:55] <ScottK> Kubuntu packageset updated again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/649464/
[20:55] <ScottK> debfx: Can you review the set/exceptions and see if we need to do any manual tweaking?
[20:59] <debfx> ScottK: svgpart is missing, gwenview probably doesn't recommend it yet
[21:00] <ScottK> It's seeded in kdegraphics though.
[21:00] <ScottK> errr part of kdegraphics which is seeded
[21:01] <debfx> ah true, then I don't know why it's missing
[21:03] <ScottK> Let me know if you find anything else and I'll send cjwatson a mail.
[21:03] <ScottK> Quintasan: ^^^ you too.
[21:05] <debfx> ScottK: pykde4
[21:06] <apachelogger> sheytan: I can watch videos rather well with the player :D
[21:08] <sheytan> apachelogger cool. It would be cool, to transfer it someday to kubuntu :)
[21:08] <sheytan> as default
[21:09] <apachelogger> more like KDE
[21:21] <bambee> afiestas: your comment is so.... beautiful :D
[21:22] <afiestas> bambee: comment?
[21:22] <bambee> afiestas: on my blog
[21:24] <afiestas> it is a good summary  of what I wanted to say xD
[21:24] <ScottK> Link please?
[21:32] <bambee> ScottK: http://blog.romainperier.org/?p=53
[21:32] <bambee> mhh ovh is slow this evening :\
[21:32] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:32] <bambee> btw , please applaud sheytan for his great work!  it has created a kubuntu wordpress theme :D
[21:39] <bambee> afiestas: you're just frustrated about the subtitles feature in pgst :P
[21:39] <bambee> or about my english...
[21:39] <bambee> or both
[21:40] <bambee> :D
[21:44] <afiestas> actually it was intented to cheer you up
[21:44] <afiestas> kinda "Go subtitles go!" xd
[21:45] <bambee> I was kidding :)
[21:56]  * apachelogger hugs bambee
[21:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies for bambee
[21:56]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to bambee.
[22:00] <bambee> apachelogger: what did I do ? :)
[22:00] <bambee> apachelogger: is it for my theme ? :p
[22:03] <Quintasan> bambee: https://launchpad.net/~project-neon
[22:03] <apachelogger> bambee: setCurrentSubtitle(QUrl)
[22:03] <Quintasan> Please link to https://launchpad.net/~neon instead
[22:03] <apachelogger> bambee: or perhaps QString
[22:08] <bambee> Quintasan: ok
[22:08] <bambee> apachelogger: did you test it?
[22:08] <apachelogger> bambee: what, subtitles?
[22:08] <bambee> yes
[22:08] <Quintasan> bambee: Thanks, since the other link yields: Project Neon does not seem to be using Launchpad :D
[22:08] <apachelogger> bambee: no, it doesnt work with my new player :P
[22:08] <bambee> apachelogger: tsss :p
[22:09] <bambee> by the way it's setCurrentSubtitle(SubtitleDescription &)  :D
[22:09] <bambee> :P
[22:09] <apachelogger> yeah, BUT
[22:09] <apachelogger> doing files that is the uber suck
[22:09] <apachelogger> totally java that is
[22:10] <apachelogger> so we need a new interface that is easy to use, just throw a file path at it and it takes care of the rest
[22:14] <bambee> apachelogger: what did you smoke ? you like java... using java you will be bald :'(
[22:15] <apachelogger> oh right, java <3
[22:15] <apachelogger> java \o/
[22:15] <apachelogger> bambee: what I meant to say is "totally pyth0rn that is"
[22:16] <bambee> lol
[22:26] <bambee> apachelogger: joke of the day http://ftp.romainperier.org/screen1.png  :D
[22:27] <Quintasan> That's a nice memleak there
[22:27] <apachelogger> bambee: I think you and tdfischer are memleaking
[22:28] <bambee> apachelogger:  tdfischer has the same problem?
[22:28] <apachelogger> FWIW I am leaking textures, but nothing too serious :P
[22:28] <bambee> lol
[22:28] <apachelogger> bambee: no, I just suppose it must have to do with playbin2
[22:28] <apachelogger> cause I am not getting that on master or qml
[22:28] <bambee> mhhh
[22:28] <bambee> well
[22:30] <bambee> I will try to fix it tomorrow (after some kde 4.6.95 packaging)
[22:32] <bambee> night
[23:32] <maco> apachelogger: how do i get to oem config mode in the kubuntu cd?
[23:33] <maco> or Riddell?
[23:33] <maco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/438221
[23:33] <maco> im going to try to reproduce, but there seems to be a lack of reproduction steps
[23:33] <maco> also, when i tried to boot the live cd, kwin crashed
[23:33] <apachelogger> maco: suppose there is a ubiquity cmdline option? the preinstalled image goes you there in any case
[23:33] <maco> preinstalled image?
[23:34] <apachelogger> oh, we only ahve those for omap
[23:34]  * maco retries booting the live cd, in hopes of getting more than a black screen and an X cursor
[23:35] <apachelogger> I guess that also needs some testing with new KDE :S
[23:52] <maco> apachelogger: are you running oneiric?
[23:52] <apachelogger> nope


[00:00] <Caboose1911> ah.
[00:00] <Caboose1911> fair enough, so, my buddy referred me to this user group, so uh, Hi.
[00:00] <rick_h_> ah, good stuff
[00:01] <rick_h_> there's a group meeting in an hour? or so
[00:01] <Caboose1911> Where at?
[00:01] <rick_h_> here, irc
[00:01] <Caboose1911> ah ok, well that's good.
[00:01] <Caboose1911> Guess I'll stick around then eh
[00:06] <widox> rick_h_: ah, the node.js group has been pretty actively playing with those lately
[00:06] <widox> http://www.meetup.com/DetNode/events/100383992/
[00:07] <rick_h_> hah, cool
[00:07] <rick_h_> whoa, ok those are $300 copters
[00:07] <rick_h_> I was looking at little $40-60 toys
[00:08] <widox> oh, hah
[00:08] <widox> they actually had the manufacture out for one meeting
[00:08] <rick_h_> very cool
[00:09]  * rick_h_ thinks he does not need another hobby...does not need another hobby
[00:09] <widox> :)
[00:09] <rick_h_> but I've always wanted to get into RC and this is just cooler than RC ever was growing up
[00:12] <rick_h_> well going to walk away from the computer while the ebay auction completes so I don't get suckered in things. I'll try to check back out at meeting time
[00:15] <Caboose1911> so, teaching new people how to administer a linux server hurts my head.
[00:17] <brousch1> GRMakers has had one out to the meetings. Pretty big
[00:21] <Caboose1911> are we talking RC copters, or actual Drones?
[00:21] <snap-l> RC copters
[00:22] <snap-l> though technically they could be considered drones. ;)
[00:22] <Caboose1911> True. ya, those things are really cool.
[01:11] <jhansonxi_> I know someone who is making a hexcopter
[01:11] <jhansonxi_> Not sure about the details though
[01:12] <brousch1> Oh great, the propellor wars have begun
[01:12] <jhansonxi_> More props doesn't matter.  It's power to weight ratio that counts.
[01:13] <brousch1> Soon it'll be an octocopter, then a decacopter.  I thought Ubuntu was pretty good.
[01:35] <jhansonxi_> Caboose1911: Real pros use Linux from Scratch.  I'm a pro but I use Ubuntu because I have better things to do then watch gcc output for days on end.
[01:35] <Caboose1911> ya, I've always said that, I mean I grew up using Arch linux, then starting college, I found, not enough free time to compile everything from scratch, and troubleshoot for hours on end
[01:36] <rick_h_> I'd disagree with LFS, I find more hobbiest using that than pros
[01:37] <jhansonxi_> Define "hobbyists".  If you mean people who don't have jobs and live in their parent's basement where they have plenty of free time to compile then I agree with you.
[01:38] <Caboose1911> dang, you just summed me up, I love being a poor college student lol :)
[01:38] <Caboose1911> er, hate, sorry.
[01:41] <brousch1> Real Linux men use Gentoo
[01:43] <jhansonxi_> Gentoo is for posers who like having their make files spoon-fed to them
[01:43] <Caboose1911> also hm, this is getting on my nerves, my friends are starting to use backtrack 5, and want "easy mode"
[01:45] <rick_h_> I define hobbyist as not entrusted to keep the company alive/kicking
[01:45] <rick_h_> yes, I know of individuals that have tinkered with LFS at a time. I know none that have run it full time over years, and none that run a company no it
[01:45] <rick_h_> /no/on
[01:45] <jhansonxi_> That definition also includes most management
[01:46] <rick_h_> most management?
[01:47] <rick_h_> Caboose1911: people say that because Ubuntu's original goal was making the Linux desktop easier and more polished for normal users
[01:47] <rick_h_> Caboose1911: ignore them :P
[01:47] <jhansonxi_> Incompetence seems to increase the farther up the corporate ladder you go.
[01:48] <rick_h_> ok, but I'm failing to match Incompetence"
[01:48] <rick_h_> with the defiintion of hobbyist linux user?
[01:49] <jhansonxi_> You stated "entrusted to keep the company alive/kicking"
[01:49] <rick_h_> heh, ok. So that's quite a leap from the version of linux a company uses to operate to the people running it
[01:50] <jhansonxi_> Most companies use M$ as dictated by upper management.  Need further proof?
[01:50] <rick_h_> so we should just say that linux all together is hobbyist regardless of the use? :P
[01:51] <jhansonxi_> It's all relative.  M$ is for hobbyists when it comes to mobile phones.
[01:53] <jhansonxi_> I'm a former Windows sysadmin so I have a bad attitude when it comes to corporate IT.
[01:55] <jhansonxi_> Life would have been much easier if I could have deployed Linux back then but I was a Linux n00b.
[01:56] <snap-l> 5 minutes to meeting
[01:56] <Caboose1911> I feel like a noob in here :( I've only been using linux for a year. mainly backtrack and xbuntu.
[01:56] <Caboose1911> oh, and backbox
[01:56] <snap-l> Time to get those drinks, check the score (I believe the 49res are losing, according to the posts I keep muting on Google Plus)
[01:56] <Blazeix> the 49ers a being crushed
[01:56] <jhansonxi_> They had a power outage at the stadium.
[01:56] <snap-l> and Sybil died in Downton Abbey, so I'm sure they'll be doing the rich weepy thing
[01:57] <Blazeix> it's been 'coming back in 15 minutes' for the past 25 minutes
[01:57] <snap-l> jhansonxi_: Probably all of the people charging their tablets mid-game.
[01:57] <Ahuka> I'm watching This Old House on my TiVo.
[01:57] <snap-l> Probably blew a fuse with all of that Apple hardware in one space
[01:57] <snap-l> .
[01:58] <jhansonxi_> They should just have everyone light up their phones and tablets and point them at the field
[01:59] <snap-l> Can just imagine one plug with about 400m of extension cords hanging off of it, and some sheepish faces.
[01:59] <jsjgruber-x-p> Due to the Superbowl I don't have to make the effort to ignore Downton Abbey. Due to the power outage at the stadium I don't have to make the effort to ignore the Superbowl. Alright.
[01:59] <snap-l> Anywho...
[02:00] <snap-l> I really wish I could take credit for causing the interruption in the Superbowl. ;)
[02:00] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/512/detail/
[02:00] <snap-l> That's the agenda, ladies and gentlemen
[02:00] <snap-l> as you can see, there's not a whole lot on there. ;)
[02:00] <snap-l> Item 1: Ubuntu Global Jam
[02:01] <snap-l> unfortunately there isn't currently an announced time to hold a UGJ, so we're ini limbo for now
[02:01] <snap-l> But what I'd like for fokls to start thinking about is what they'd like to do during the UBuntu Global Jam
[02:01] <snap-l> In previos jams we've done bug triage, installs, etc.
[02:02] <snap-l> I spent the last one looking at Ask Ubuntu questions and seeing which ones I could answer.
[02:03] <snap-l> So, if anyone has some thoughts on what they'd like to work on for the Ubuntu Global Jam, please feel free to post them to the list.
[02:03] <snap-l> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mi
[02:03] <snap-l> (If you're not on the mailing list already, now's a great time to sign up. :) )
[02:03] <snap-l> Any questions or concerns?
[02:03] <jhansonxi_> Unfortunately I don't have time.  I'm busy writing a kickstart script for automated on-line deployments but have been sidetracked by contract drafting work for several months.
[02:04] <snap-l> jhansonxi_: That's quite alright
[02:04] <jhansonxi_> In related news, getdeb.net is back online
[02:04] <snap-l> If you have some free time during the UGJ, feel free to pop in to the IIRC channel
[02:04] <snap-l> irc, even . :)
[02:04] <waldo323> :)
[02:04] <snap-l> Damn keyboard apparently has some repeat issues. ;)
[02:05] <jhansonxi_> I occasionally allow myself to get sucked into tech support on #ubuntu but it's tedious.
[02:05] <snap-l> jhansonxi_: Whatever you feel comfortable doing is OK.
[02:05] <snap-l> I think we'd all rather be doing something that didn't feel like work. :)
[02:05] <waldo323> having lunch with a beer?
[02:05] <snap-l> Far be it from me to make you do anything you'd rather not do.
[02:06] <snap-l> waldo323: You'll have to earn that beer.
[02:06] <jsjgruber-x-p> Pick some AskUbuntu questions and see if we can work on some answers as a team? That might be more social than testing.
[02:06] <jsjgruber-x-p> For global jam.
[02:06] <jhansonxi_> If I had a regular job then I would help more since it would be a way to escape work.  Since I'm self-employed that just doesn't have the same level of thrill.
[02:06] <snap-l> jsjgruber-x-p: Yeah, I think that would definitely work out.
[02:06] <snap-l> jhansonxi_: Understood
[02:07] <snap-l> But yeah, keep this percolating in the back of your minds. We should have some time to think about it before we can even commit to anything
[02:07] <snap-l> Also:
[02:08] <snap-l> If you have any ideas on where we could meet in person that's free (as in cost) and has wifi, please post that to the list.
[02:08] <jhansonxi_> Biggest complaints I'm seeing are related to video drivers and Steam.
[02:08] <snap-l> Usually UGJ gets anywhere from 2 people up to around 10 people
[02:08] <Caboose1911> uh, I'm not sure where everyone is located, but I think Macomb Community college offers meeting rooms for free?
[02:08] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Is that for students only?
[02:09] <snap-l> Also, Macomb can be a bit of a trek for people on the west side.
[02:09] <Caboose1911> True.
[02:09] <Caboose1911> and I'm almost positive it's free, even for non students.
[02:09] <jhansonxi_> I'm near Alpena.  Everything is a bit of a trek for me.
[02:09] <snap-l> When I lived in Macomb Township, we'd have UGJs at the Clinton Macomb Library.
[02:09] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Would you check into that for us?
[02:10] <Caboose1911> Sure, I have a class on Tuesday, so I shall check then.
[02:10] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Awesome. Thank you!
[02:10] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Which campus? Center or South?
[02:10] <waldo323> as another option, depending on when it is, we could meet where chc meets
[02:11] <Caboose1911> chc?
[02:11] <snap-l> waldo323: That's an excellent idea. :)
[02:11] <snap-l> Coffee House Coders Royal Oak
[02:11] <Caboose1911> uh, I live near Center Campus,but have classes at South, I can check out both no problem.
[02:12] <jhansonxi_> Maybe Washtenaw CC where WLUG meets
[02:12] <snap-l> http://royaloak.coffeehousecoders.com/
[02:12] <waldo323> thats also a good idea
[02:12] <snap-l> jhansonxi_: If someone is there that can check
[02:13] <Ahuka> You have to hav e a connection to the College.
[02:13] <jhansonxi_> Just contact someone on the mailing list: http://www.lugwash.org
[02:13] <Ahuka> Jeff, that would be me.<g>
[02:13] <snap-l> Regardless, we don't know when the global event will be yet.
[02:14] <Ahuka> And I would need to know that to look into it.
[02:14] <snap-l> but having these options is awesome.
[02:14] <jsjgruber-x-p> Last year it was during the first few days of March.
[02:14] <Ahuka> We are talking ab out a Sunday afternoon?
[02:14] <snap-l> jsjgruber-x-p: Right, but it hasn't been announced yet. The Beta-1 release is slowing things down, afaict.
[02:15] <snap-l> Ahuka: Usually the global event runs from Friday to Sunday
[02:15] <snap-l> so any time during that weekend would be OK
[02:15] <Ahuka> Oh, for a moment I thought you wanted a 3-day event.<g>
[02:16] <waldo323> 24/3
[02:16] <snap-l> Also: Just so folks don't feel like they have to make it to a location that's hours away: Please feel free to schedule something local should you wish.
[02:16] <Ahuka> Well, let me know when a date is chosen and I will check with the college.
[02:17] <snap-l> I think we have that tendency to think we only can have one central event for these things, and while that's been true in the past, we don't need to continue it.
[02:17] <Ahuka> Just a wild and crazy idea, but what about a virtual meeting?
[02:17] <snap-l> I'd be happier if we had 4 events with modest turn out than one event with spartan turnout
[02:17] <Ahuka> That would make it easier on Jeff, for instance.
[02:18] <snap-l> Ahuka: We've kicked that around, but the problems are usually bandwidth-related.
[02:18] <jhansonxi_> I'm on satellite so my problems are lag-related
[02:18] <snap-l> keeping a video link in places like libraries and colleges is usually more difficult
[02:19] <Ahuka> Video link?
[02:19] <snap-l> Ahuka: But that's something to consider. I know there's sites like big blue button that may help out, but I've found them terribly unreliable.
[02:19] <snap-l> Ahuka: Thought that's what you were referring
[02:19] <jhansonxi_> I think MDLUG has their own BBB server but bandwidth is still a problem.
[02:19] <snap-l> IRC is definitely an option as well.
[02:20] <Ahuka> That is what I had in mind.
[02:20]  * waldo323 nods
[02:20] <snap-l> Yeah, BBB is something I wish worked better.
[02:20] <snap-l> IRC is definitely an option
[02:20] <Ahuka> We could anser questions on Ask Ubuntu and cordinate via IRC
[02:20] <snap-l> In fact, I'd encourage more IRC use during these events
[02:20] <Ahuka> No one needs to drive.
[02:21] <Caboose1911> hm, well, knowing me, I'd probably be on IRC here a lot, considering I don't own a car :/
[02:21] <snap-l> If folks would rather do this remotely, I'm for it as well.
[02:21] <jhansonxi_> Don't worry about my needs.  Due to my work load I can only drop in randomly.  Linux users are rather sparse in this area.
[02:21] <Ahuka> And we don't need to worry about east side vs. west side.
[02:21] <jhansonxi_> I suspect that Linux is even less common among Yoopers.
[02:22] <snap-l> Anywho, let's table this for now, but please hop onto the mailing list to keep abreast of updates and such
[02:22] <Ahuka> OK
[02:22] <snap-l> I'd like to move on to the release party
[02:22] <jhansonxi_> Google Hangout may be worth trying
[02:22] <Ahuka> I like Google Hangout.
[02:23] <snap-l> Which for the Detroit area folks will be held at the beautiful Marriot during the festival known as Penguicon
[02:23] <Ahuka> I will be there.
[02:23] <snap-l> I've talked with the hotel liaison, and we should be OK with using the bar area. It has more space than the previous hotel had in the bar area.
[02:23] <jhansonxi_> I'm thinking of going to a Linux conference instead.
[02:23] <snap-l> so that's a plus.
[02:23] <Caboose1911> I might try to attend Penguicon, I also was going to attend GRRcon
[02:24] <snap-l> It'll be held on Friday night from 7-8pm
[02:24] <jsjgruber-x-p> How much does it cost to attend our meeting when it's at Penguicon?
[02:24] <snap-l> It costs admission to Penguicon
[02:24] <snap-l> You can likely get a one-day pass if you so choose.
[02:24] <snap-l> http://2013.penguicon.org/
[02:25] <snap-l> A one-day pass is $30
[02:25] <snap-l> Again, if somoeone wants to organize something outside of Penguicon, please feel free.
[02:26] <snap-l> It just happens a number of folks happen to be at Penguicon during that time
[02:27] <jhansonxi_> Will Penguicon have Linux content this year?  I see the schedule still isn't up.
[02:28] <snap-l> jhansonxi_: TBD
[02:28] <Ahuka> I expect they will. The con chair came to OLF last September.
[02:28] <brousch1> Sorry. Meeting started near son's bedtime
[02:28] <snap-l> Unfortunately there have been some major hiccups this year, so expect everything to fly in at the last minute
[02:28] <waldo323> they are open for those who would like to give talks
[02:28] <snap-l> Such is the Penguicon way.
[02:30] <waldo323> if you have specific topics, would like to talk yourself or want to suggest someone give a particular talk we/they are open to suggestions
[02:31] <Ahuka> Is Krunal handling the tehc track again?
[02:31] <jrwren> bah, missing meeting. is it over?
[02:31] <jhansonxi_> Last year consisted of a bunch of BoFs that someone just threw into the schedule along with a couple of M$ presentations.
[02:31] <waldo323> yes,  I am helping as well as are a few others
[02:32] <Ahuka> Ah, does that mean waldo323 = Krunal?
[02:32] <snap-l> waldo323 == James
[02:32] <waldo323> arg,  should have said yes he is and so am i and a few others
[02:33] <snap-l> aka Hicemeister J
[02:33] <Ahuka> Well, my next question would have been "where is James", so that helps.<g>
[02:34] <Ahuka> waldo323, is the Call for Talks open, or hsould I just send an e-mail, or what?
[02:35] <snap-l> OK, before we head too far down the rabbit hole... Any questions about the release party at Penguicon
[02:35] <snap-l> ?
[02:36] <Ahuka> Not really. If it is Friday evening I will be there.
[02:36] <Ahuka> If it is Saturday evening, I won't.
[02:36] <jhansonxi_> What's the purpose of a "release party"?  Complain about bugs not fixed?  Installfest?
[02:37] <brousch1> jhansonxi_: Canonical employees can get smashed after working their asses off on the release
[02:37] <brousch1> We can help them
[02:37] <jhansonxi_> I can bring a bug list and a baseball bat to help with the smashing
[02:38] <snap-l> Well, it's also a time for folks to get together to celebrate the release of a new OS
[02:38] <brousch1> Also a celebration of all the new awesome in the new release, but Unity killed that off for me
[02:38] <jhansonxi_> Is it Ubuntu-specific or can *buntu and Linux Mint people join?
[02:39] <waldo323> it is not ubuntu specific
[02:39] <Ahuka> I'm Kubuntu, myself, and no one threw me out.<g>
[02:39] <waldo323> everyone is welcome to join
[02:40] <snap-l> Second call for questions
[02:40] <Caboose1911> uh, really dumb question.
[02:41] <jsjgruber-x-p> No more questions from me
[02:41] <snap-l> Caboose1911: What's the question?
[02:41] <Caboose1911> Is there a fee for joining this Linux User Group?
[02:41] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Absolutely not
[02:41] <jsjgruber-x-p> And welcome, Caboose1911.
[02:42] <brousch1> What kind of sick, twisted Linux user group would charge a fee to join?
[02:42] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Just add yourself to the Launchpad team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-michigan
[02:43] <jhansonxi_> They don't charge a membership fee but there is a $300 termination fee. :D
[02:44] <Caboose1911> lol
[02:46] <snap-l> OK, thank you everyone for coming out to the meeting. Hope to see you online and on the mailing list~!
[02:46] <snap-l> And at the events too, but you already knew that. ;)
[02:47] <Caboose1911> Oh, I subscribed to that launchpad link snap-1 (under Andrew Aurand)
[02:47] <snap-l> Caboose1911: Approved.
[02:50] <waldo323> call for talks is open, there are a couple ways to become a speaker at penguicon, email: you can email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, or krunal at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or programming head directly at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>also there is a web form at http://2013.penguicon.org/contributing/presenting/
[02:51] <brousch1> waldo323: Is there an email with info appropriate for forwarding?
[02:52] <waldo323> I don't have one right now but can get one this week
[02:59] <Ahuka> Cath ya later, I gotta go now.
[04:50] <Caboose1911> I have returned!
[04:57] <Caboose1911> aww, no one is here.
[11:23] <Blazeix> rick_h_: have you seen this, with your new-found love of meetup? http://www.meetup.com/API-Craft-Detroit/events/101269702/
[11:32] <rick_h_> Blazeix: no, didn't see that one
[14:13] <widox> Blazeix: rick_h_ I've been to one of those meetups
[14:13] <rick_h_> widox: learn you some good apis?
[14:13] <widox> pretty good bunch, two of the guys work at http://apigee.com/
[14:14] <widox> yeah, seemed pretty good. one I  went to dealt with using JS to provide an API
[14:14] <widox> via node.js
[17:13] <rick_h_> gah my head can't take this today
[17:13] <rick_h_> so anyone ever deployed client->apache->squid->gunicorn app ?
[17:15] <brousch> I thought squid went in front of apache
[17:15] <rick_h_> heh
[17:15] <brousch> client -> squid -> apache -> gunicorn
[17:15] <rick_h_> yea, welcome to my brain fuddling
[17:20] <jcastro> man the snow is really coming down
[17:21] <rick_h_> yea, rss feed said a nice increase until 1pm ish
[17:22]  * greg-g pouts
[17:22] <rick_h_> heh, I don't want to hear it
[17:22] <greg-g> and I can't find a decent place in Tahoe next weekend yet
[17:22] <rick_h_> I'm trying to heat my poor workshop this weekend but when it's 12F outside only so much I can do
[17:22]  * greg-g adds tire chains to list of things to get this week
[17:22] <greg-g> hah, insulation much?
[17:23] <rick_h_> yea, but still. Trying to keep a 40-55 degree differential is hard with space heaters
[17:23] <greg-g> yeah, true
[17:23] <rick_h_> and expensive, poor electric bill was as much a hottest part of summer :(
[17:24] <greg-g> yeah, def
[17:24] <greg-g> wood burning stove
[17:24] <rick_h_> at least if we can get 30s the difference to keep it up to 50 is less
[17:24] <rick_h_> yea, thought about it
[17:24] <greg-g> you are in a *wood shop* after all ;)
[17:24] <rick_h_> I've got a propane thing but hate using it
[17:24]  * greg-g nods
[17:24] <snap-l> What's wrong with the propane?
[17:24]  * rick_h_ dreams of nice shop in portland with an open garage door letting a breeze in :P
[17:25] <rick_h_> so after a bit it gets funky and can get you light headed
[17:25] <rick_h_> and it's a giant open flame in the shop which has things like fumes and saw dust in it (though not much by way of fumes currently, too cold to glue or finish anything)
[17:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Just think of it as a portland substitute when your neighbors start lighting up every little herb in their garden.
[17:27] <rick_h_> hah
[17:27] <rick_h_> greg-g: lake tahoe?
[17:27] <greg-g> yeah
[17:27]  * rick_h_ isn't all that familiar with the area/etc
[17:27] <greg-g> beautiful area
[17:28] <rick_h_> lol 6hr snowfall graph
[17:28] <rick_h_> snow much?
[17:29] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I'm starting to reconsider getting some freon cans and just opening them up
[17:29] <snap-l> Get some heat in this atmosphere.
[17:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: cool, didn't realize it was in CA
[17:29] <rick_h_> for some reason thought it was a CO or NV thing
[17:30] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, I'm getting cranky that the sumers are too hot and after the light winter last year this one is an ice box
[17:30] <rick_h_> did the avg temp calender on wunderground the other day (or maybe weather.com) and all these lovesly 30s but we're with 10 or 60 it seems
[17:31] <snap-l> Yeah, we don't have winter, we have mood swings.
[17:31] <rick_h_> looks like warmer later in the week though
[17:40] <snap-l> http://danielsolisblog.blogspot.com/2013/02/creative-commons-and-thousand-year-game.html
[17:40] <snap-l> greg-g: ^^
[17:41] <snap-l> Seeing more things released under a CC license in the gaming world.
[17:42] <greg-g> coolio
[17:43] <snap-l> greg-g: You do realize I'll still bombard you with CC-related stuff long after you've left. ;)
[18:00] <greg-g> snap-l: indeed, and I'll appreciate it ;)
[18:25] <snap-l> greg-g: OK, as long as we're clear. ;)
[19:02] <snap-l> Are you fucking kidding me: http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/01/verizon-htc-thunderbolt-ice-cream-sandwich-update/
[19:02] <jcastro> hah
[19:02] <jcastro> dude, people are still on ICS?
[19:02] <snap-l> Way to drag those heels.
[19:02] <snap-l> jcastro: I'm on ICS
[19:03] <snap-l> Samsung Galaxy II Epic 4G Touch Chapionship Edition
[19:03] <snap-l> Mk 2
[19:03] <snap-l> I swear, they must've gotten Capcomp to name this phone
[19:04] <brousch> jcastro: Shut it. My phone is still 2.3.7
[19:20] <dzho> brousch: he's just trying to highlight Android fragmentation
[19:21] <dzho> you know, make the case for that mobile Ubuntu thing, right? ;-)
[19:22] <jcastro> nod
[19:22] <jcastro> heh
[19:22] <jcastro> I just don't get why people buy non nexus androids
[19:22] <jcastro> but whatever, I don't try to judge
[19:22]  * jcastro judges anyway
[19:23] <rick_h_> yea, unfortunately software isn't the one true reason to buy a phone
[19:23] <snap-l> jcastro: SOmetimes they don't have a choice
[19:23] <rick_h_> just like everyone doesn't get thinkpads which I don't get
[19:23] <snap-l> I'm glad I got JoDee the Nexus, and would have picked it up were it available
[19:23] <jcastro> I dunno man, craig opened my eyes to MVNOs, you can go cheap without contracts and buy what you want
[19:24] <snap-l> I wish I could just get rid of the Sprint shit on my phone
[19:24] <snap-l> (yes, I know I can root my phone)
[19:25] <jcastro> I don't believe in having to hack your phone to get it to work
[19:25] <snap-l> jcastro: Precisely
[19:25] <jcastro> that's for iphone people. :p
[19:25] <snap-l> WEll, the one thing that drives me batshit insane is this stupid Sprint ID thing
[19:25] <snap-l> which is part of the OS
[19:26] <snap-l> UNfortunately a) it doesn't work, and b) it crashes whenever I reboot the phone
[19:33] <snap-l> Now that sportbowl is over, I can turn up the volume on some of my circles in G+
[19:34] <snap-l> Seriously, I don't care about the commercials, I don't give a fuck if GoDaddy used porn for their commercials, and I certainly don't care who won.
[19:34] <brousch> The Red Wings won
[19:35] <snap-l> Abot the only thing that could be more exciting is hearing someone's breathless recounting of their game of Risk.
[19:35] <brousch> snap-l: Who peed in your coffee today?
[19:35] <snap-l> brousch: Nobody, it was pent up from yesterday.
[19:58] <shakes808> Good afternoon fellas
[22:35] <waldo323_> does anyone have a contact at open.michigan?
[22:37] <greg-g> waldo323_: a few, what's up?
[22:37]  * greg-g used to work there
[22:38] <waldo323_> :) nice,   it would be nice to have a talk about it at mug    and/or penguicon
[22:40] <greg-g> ah, well, go ahead and fly me back and I'll do it ;)
[22:41] <greg-g> but, seriously, their contact email address (not sure, probably on open.umich.edu) is good. It is a small team and they are responsive
[22:41] <greg-g> feel free to name drop me ;)
[22:41] <greg-g> (I think it is still a positive reaction, not yet negative)
[22:41] <waldo323_> ok thanks :)