[04:51] <Symmetria> morning
[05:44] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:09] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:16] <bduk1> More almal
[06:20] <Cantide> afternoon~
[06:43] <Squirm> morning all
[06:43] <nuvolari> oh hi mazal, Cantide, Squirm
[06:44] <nuvolari> Maaz: seen kilos
[06:44] <Maaz> nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 28 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-20 15:15:50 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-07-20 15:16:17 PDT
[06:44] <Cantide> '-'/
[06:44] <Squirm> hello nuvolari, Cantide
[06:53] <mazal> Hello everyone
[06:53] <mazal> Plenty of kernel updates these days hey
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:57] <Cantide> time to scurry back to work!
[06:57] <Cantide> 안녕!
[07:11] <charl> morning all
[07:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:16] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:16] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:19] <nuvolari> oh hi charl :)
[07:28] <charl> hi nuvolari
[08:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 ThatGraemeGuy and others
[08:50] <Vince-0> o/
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo Kilos
[08:50] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy used over 400m on minetest yesterday
[08:51] <Kilos> maybe must just mine after 11pm
[08:53] <Kilos> haha tore up lots of my roof for the mv solar panels and they wouldnt connect, after about an hour of moving them and cables with no success i twigged they are lv panels
[08:56] <Kilos> what a twit
[09:00] <Kilos> now get real clever and make the game zip all data in and out to 1/4 its size then one can play lots
[09:02] <Kilos> hi mazal inetpro
[09:26] <mazal> Oom I struggled a lot to figure out those electric networks
[09:26] <mazal> Eventually I found the correct info that
[09:47] <Kilos> haha mazal i have my lv network working lekker and wantes the mv one for the toolbox
[09:47] <Kilos> only didnt make mv panels
[09:48] <Kilos> graeme showed me how
[09:49] <Kilos> its just that each new thing needs so many others to make it work
[10:09] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I didn't know that the solar generator , switch stationa and battery packs must be in the air with cable connecting underneath it
[10:09] <mazal> Mine was all on flat surface and refused to work :P
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:15] <Kilos> ya i spent hours trying to connect, actually days then graeme came and showed me how
[10:16] <Kilos> also the most efficient height for them is at 35.4
[10:16] <Kilos> above you get no gain but below that you lose power
[10:17] <Kilos> mazal, ^^
[10:18] <Kilos> ive got grinders compressors and electric furnace going
[10:18] <Kilos> compressor make the carbon cloth stuff
[10:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> i built a nuclear reactor core
[10:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> and eventually after digging in the code realised you need a whole bunch of stuff surrounding it
[10:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> or it will just explode
[10:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you have the core
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it must be completly surrounded by water
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that is surrounded by stainless steel  blocks
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> which is surrounded by blast-resistant concrete
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that is surrounded by concrete
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the whole thing's a 9x9x9 block structure
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> of pretty expensive stuff
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so not anytime soon
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: when you used over 400MB, how many times did you connect?
[10:27] <Kilos> twice with bart and twice with me ThatGraemeGuy
[10:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[10:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think most of the transfer is the initial connection
[10:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> during play its quite light on data
[10:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> or i might be wrong
[10:28] <Kilos> do you have a tool to monitor by you , i use iftop and only keep irc pidgin and minetest running
[10:29] <Kilos> and this month end i want to get a 1TB drive so no spare for data
[10:29] <mazal> My server uses 800mb average a day for two users
[10:30] <Kilos> been buying 2 bundles and ian been giving one the last coupla months
[10:30] <mazal> Lemme check client side
[10:30] <Kilos> i wonder if mine isnt charging up and download
[10:31] <Symmetria> heh man, Ive downloaded 17 terabytes worth of sourceforge crap in the last 5 days
[10:31] <Symmetria> takes forever
[10:31] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, when bart was mining down deep it used less than when he came to work in my house
[10:31] <Kilos> Symmetria, why download crap?
[10:32] <Kilos> only get usefull stuff man
[10:32] <mazal> Client side much less , 500mb also for two users
[10:32] <charl> Symmetria: you building a sourceforge mirror ?
[10:33] <charl> Kilos: i think he has to download everything if he wants a mirror, crap and everything else that comes with it
[10:33] <Kilos> aha
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't have a tool, no
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't need to care about how much data i use
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> unfortunately you're in a bit of a unique spot
[10:34] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Kilos> i used to go 2 months on a 2+1 bundle now need 3 bundles a month
[10:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is that with?
[10:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> and who all has good signal in your area?
[10:48] <Kilos> with 8ta and only voda is good here as well, but 8ta outstrips them
[10:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> not mtn?
[10:49] <Kilos> mtn only has edge tower
[10:49] <Kilos> i have an mtn sim in cell fone
[10:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok so with telkom you must be on the telkom network
[10:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> since they have their network and mtn for areas where their network doesn't reach yet
[10:50] <Kilos> yip telkom put a transceiver on the mtn tower about 800 metres from me
[10:51] <Kilos> voda was on same tower too, but now they built their own owne a few ks further away and often sister has no connection
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[10:51] <Kilos> her tablet uses vodacom
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> so there is an mtn tower, just not upgraded to 3g yet
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's a bummer :(
[10:52] <Kilos> i started with mtn, and tried for about a year to get them to upgrade but they said they dont want to upgrade this one in the near future
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's sucky
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> because if there was good mtn signal you could get your data from afrihost for far better value
[10:53] <Kilos> lol did upgrades of 9.04 and 9.10 that took 9 hours
[10:53] <Kilos> ya i asked you when you bought that afrihost back then
[10:54] <Kilos> that special
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh the launch deal
[10:54] <Kilos> ya
[10:55] <Kilos> also mtn suck, when i put airtime on it gets stolen within days and when i fone them they say put more and well try block the thieves
[10:56] <Kilos> now i put 5 bucks and send 2 smsses immediately just to keep the number alive
[10:56] <Kilos> swines
[10:57] <Kilos> hi bushtech
[10:57] <bushtech> dag Kilos
[10:58] <Kilos> umts is as fast as hsdpa hey
[10:58] <Kilos> thats what i see here for you from voda
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you mean your mtn number that you use for voice calls?
[11:01] <Kilos> yessir
[11:01] <Kilos> my cell phone
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: yes "UMTS" is pretty much what was originally called "3G" when vodacom first started offering it
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> HSDPA/HSPA+ are later revisions, but still UMTS
[11:02] <mazal> Do you guys know what a CNC machine and Quarry does ? Technic's site don't have descriptions for those
[11:02] <Kilos> aha ty so bushhas the speed at least, just needs to get reliability sorted
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and as far as your phone goes if your mtn airtime keeps disappearing, you can simply port your number to someone else, the porting process is quite simple nowadays
[11:02] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos
[11:02] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: i haven't got the CNC machine to work yet
[11:03] <Kilos> but wont it still be stolen ThatGraemeGuy , the thieves steal from that number?
[11:03] <mazal> What is it suppose to do ThatGraemeGuy ?
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't know, that sounds like a bullshit excuse to be honest
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: a real life cnc machine is a computer-programmable milling machine or lathe
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> basically for shaping stuff
[11:05] <mazal> Ok ic
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you have a program to make a cylinder from a block of steel or whatnot
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> or a pyramid, etc
[11:05] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:05] <mazal> The stuff fitters and turners does ?
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't had a chance to look at the code to see if its completely implemented yet
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> think so, yes
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> and a quarry, not sure
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i see the technic wiki is on github, i've been intending to see about pushing some updates to make the documentation more useful
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> because right now you have to fiddle around and rely on outdated web docs and old forum threads
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i find it more useful to go through the Lua code to figure things out
[11:08] <mazal> BTW , stay away from ethereal
[11:08] <mazal> Completely destroyed my world
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> from what now?
[11:08] <mazal> Is a mod
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh cool, so you can come join ours again
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[11:08] <mazal> Looks cool with lots of new biomes
[11:09] <mazal> but don't work on an old world
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> well yeah
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty sure that would've been mentioned in the forum somewhere
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> anything mapgen-related tends to be limited and/or destructive when applied to an existing map db
[11:09] <mazal> And wierd thing , my backups I loaded back didn't solve the problem
[11:10] <mazal> Even the manual ones
[11:10] <mazal> I had to go back to Thursday when I made a complete image of the drive
[11:10] <mazal> As usual , I copied the whole .minetest folder before modding
[11:10] <mazal> Copied back that whole folder , didn't work :(
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> you did stop the server first right? that's the only way that makes sense
[11:11] <mazal> Yep
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[11:12] <mazal> That makes me think that something else happened to the world before the mod , and the backup I made already had a broken world in it. Is the only way that explains it
[11:12] <mazal> From now on I full image the drive every day to be sure
[11:13] <mazal> And I found a nifte little whereis mod that you can check out if you don't have it yet. Very handy to find and teleport to your buddy quickly ;)
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: there's a tool in technic called a prospector which i hadn't noticed before
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> just reading the code it seems like you tell it a type of thing you are looking for, like mese, and it will tell you when you get close
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be useful
[11:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: it looks like people still need the teleport privilege even with that mod?
[11:16] <mazal> correct
[11:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[11:17] <mazal> That simply provides the coordinates for the user
[11:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> then its sort of useless though
[11:17] <mazal> No is very handy
[11:17] <mazal> I use it to get to barry quickly when I need to
[11:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> how so?
[11:17] <mazal> Get his coordinates
[11:17] <mazal> Teleport
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's actually less user-friendly than "/teleport barry"
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you already have the teleport privilege
[11:18] <mazal> hmm , I didn't know teleport accepts usernames
[11:18] <mazal> kewl
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Server_commands#Teleportation
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[11:19] <mazal> I have a whole paper full of adresses already lol
[11:20] <mazal> Home 1 ,2 ,3 , bottom of mine , chest room etc etc
[11:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you aren't using the waypoints of unified_inventory? ;-)
[11:22] <mazal> Don't know how
[11:22] <mazal> I only know of the single one for home
[11:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[11:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> bad server admin :P
[11:24] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy prospector sounds good
[11:28] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't know, that sounds like a bullshit excuse to be honest
[11:29] <Kilos> me or mtn?
[11:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> mtn
[11:29] <Kilos> oh whew
[11:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> they must explain where your airtime goes
[11:29] <Kilos> lol i wondered what i said wrong again
[11:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> they can't just say "thieves", that's a criminal case
[11:29] <Kilos> i even went to hello peter
[11:30] <Kilos> then got voda and when that number started being robbed they gave me a code to type in to block all skelms
[11:31] <Kilos> but my myn i have to keep because the cell is mtn locked and i cant find an unlock xrack for this model
[11:31] <Kilos> otherwise that would be 8ta already as well
[11:37] <Kilos> weird things happening, today gmail in evo keeps asking for passwords over and over
[11:37] <Kilos> grrr
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> sim-locking hasn't been legal for ages already
[11:38] <Kilos> its an old cell ThatGraemeGuy
[11:38] <Kilos> sagem my404x
[11:39] <Kilos> good for calls and smsses
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a nokia 6210 that still works
[11:46] <Kilos> my 2730 also still works too, was my modem for quite a while
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2730 from 2009 it seems?
[11:47] <Kilos> ?
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> nokia 2730, i'm not familiar with it so i looke it up, looks like it was released in 2009?
[11:48] <Kilos> its a good fone but slow as a modem
[11:48] <Kilos> 2730 classic
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yesh
[11:48] <Kilos> nice simple fone
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> you familiar with the 6210?
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6210-12.php
[11:49] <Kilos> i keep that for voda calls from ian and use at times for getting data
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> phone calls, sms and snake
[11:49] <Kilos> sis has one of them i think
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> no gprs, no bluetooth
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was the last nokia before they started coming out with bluetooth
[11:49] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> it has teeth marks on it from a dog that isn't alive anymore
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it still works
[11:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:50] <Kilos> nokia have made some good fones
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> my first contract phone, i was 22
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> december 2000
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> man i've been an mtn customer for way too long
[11:51] <Kilos> sjoe you still a baby them, albeit a clever one
[11:51] <Symmetria> heh I've gone through so many phones I can't remeber what they all are
[11:51] <Symmetria> now days I'm quite happy with my S5
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can't bring myself to get a new phone
[11:52] <Kilos> fones that work like tablets and vice versa are too much for me
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're like R10k nowadays, and do pretty much what my phone does
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> no thanks
[11:53] <Symmetria> heh the thing I like about the S5 is the battery life, especially when I use it as a modem for my notebook for hours and it still lasts forever
[11:54] <Symmetria> and the samsung gear 2 watch is a pretty nifty accessory for it
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a mifi for that
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> the battery lasts around 2 days
[12:08] <Kilos> hi zander you like being bottom of the page
[12:43] <Spekko> Kilos: who's zander?
[12:43] <Kilos> spekko
[12:44] <Kilos> and vice versa
[12:44] <Spekko> no
[12:44] <Spekko> I'm just an entity
[12:44] <Spekko> there is no other
[12:44] <Spekko> than spekko
[12:44] <Kilos> zander is now known as Spekko
[12:44] <Spekko> zander is no more
[12:44] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[12:44] <Kilos> hehe
[12:44] <Spekko> traces of him remains on this PC
[12:45] <Kilos> ah
[12:45] <Spekko> Sometimes net splits occur
[12:45] <Spekko> and Zander re-emerges
[12:48] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[13:40] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[13:40] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[13:41] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Meeting tomorrow night here guys, dont forget, 20.30
[13:41] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tomorrow night here guys, dont forget, 20.30
[13:46] <Kilos> Maaz, telkom help is <reply><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:46] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[13:54] <Kilos> wbb. going to kde
[13:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:05] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[14:13] <Kilos> looks like i gotta mail weenie too
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: brave new world ;-)
[14:24] <Kilos> lol ok lemme try and see data use
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> same address just port 30001
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't build too much i probably wont keep it, just testing a bit
[14:25] <Kilos> ok
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> has naturally occurring jungles and dungeons which we don't currently have
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> also you should find zinc just above height 0
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure where chrome starts
[14:28] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  can you turn off that graph thing that runs when you use f5?
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, press f5
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> its your client that turns that on, you must've pressed f5 accidentally
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> server doesn't force that on
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> server has no idea about that stuff, its client info
[14:29] <Kilos> no man i wanna see co-ords but without that other stuff running too
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> press f5
[14:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:08] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[15:09] <nuvolari> Kilos: pong
[15:10] <Kilos> nuvolari  kan jy stoel more aand asb?
[15:10] <Kilos> apie dink nie hy kan dit maak nie
[15:11] <nuvolari> Kilos: ek dink dit is reg oom
[15:12] <nuvolari> behoort nie 'n probleem te wees nie
[15:12] <nuvolari> ek moet net ine vergeet nie
[15:12] <Kilos> dankie seun
[15:12] <nuvolari> *nie
[15:12] <Kilos> ek sal jou epos as ek onthou
[15:13] <Kilos> of net aanhou ping hier
[15:23] <rio_zenta> Hello there. Anyone alive here?
[15:23] <Kilos> hi rio_zenta
[15:23] <rio_zenta> Howzit? Kilos
[15:23] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:24] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Gremble
[15:24] <Gremble> Hey Kilos
[15:24] <Guest38547> I hate xchat -_-
[15:24] <rio_zenta> I'm great Kilos
[15:24] <Guest38547> Why did it not load my sasl D:
[15:25] <Kilos> hexchat is better. xchat went baackwards
[15:25] <rio_zenta> I'm using xchat...
[15:25] <rio_zenta> wb gremble_
[15:25] <Kilos> i used xchat for years but it wasnt hot on 14.04 so went to hexchat
[15:25] <Gremble> I prefer irssi
[15:26] <Gremble> But I am on the desktop now
[15:26] <Kilos> na thats hard work
[15:26] <Kilos> im on konversation here now
[15:27] <Kilos> you can set konversation to look same as old xchat but it has some added features
[15:27] <Kilos> rio_zenta  tell us a bit about yourself
[15:28] <rio_zenta> konversation? That would be the kubuntu flavour?
[15:28] <Kilos> yip kde rocks
[15:28] <rio_zenta> for my old systems, Xfce rocks :D
[15:28] <Kilos> i use unity as well
[15:29] <Kilos> ya unity and kde are a bit heavy
[15:30] <Kilos> but the xfce stuff was harder for me to setup so i stuck with unity and kde
[15:30] <rio_zenta> Kilos, I am an linux user for the past 4-odd years. My transition to linux has been gradual and I've even learnt to exist comfortably with a terminal-only (ubuntu-server). Currently, I am struggling to find a laptop that is win-free in SA.
[15:30] <rio_zenta> Kilos: Which stuff from xfce?
[15:30] <Kilos> are you looking for a perfomance lappy?
[15:31] <Kilos> iirc i battled with sound and 3g and some other things so just gave up
[15:32] <Kilos> i battle with most stuff but have got used to unity and kde so just accept them being a bit heavy
[15:33] <Kilos> rio_zenta  you been using linux so long and only get here now
[15:34] <Kilos> but just in time for our monthly meeting tomorrow night at 20.30
[15:35] <rio_zenta> Kilos: It's not really a very high-end one, but I am looking at making a decent investment in something I can use for about 5 years. It should preferably be i5/i7 with an SSD drive. This should take care of performance (for me) for about 5/6 years.
[15:35] <rio_zenta> Kilos, are you referring to drivers for sound?
[15:36] <Kilos> rio_zenta  i dont remember. when i tried it it hassled so i gave up
[15:36] <rio_zenta> Kilos: I normally frequent #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server. I also used to lurk on linuxmint channels. I didn't know this channel existed until yesterday :'D
[15:37] <Kilos> oh there was some mention of empty lappies in the lists a while ago
[15:37] <Kilos> this is the za community channel
[15:37] <Gremble> I had an email of a company that sells laptops with any linux flavour you want on it
[15:38] <Gremble> But I seem to have lost it
[15:38] <Gremble> :x
[15:38] <rio_zenta> Gremble: searching your email?
[15:38] <Gremble> Tried
[15:38] <Kilos> rio_zenta  join our mailing list and ask there someone will have the info for you
[15:38] <Gremble> Seems I am bad with these kinds of things
[15:39] <rio_zenta> I see that Mecer sell barebones, but they don't want to sell to me directly and I'm not sure of their quality.
[15:39] <Kilos> rio_zenta   http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[15:39] <Kilos> there is someone in za that dfoes
[15:40] <rio_zenta> Thanks for the (tracking) bitly link Kilos :P
[15:40] <Kilos> does
[15:40] <Kilos> yw
[15:40] <rio_zenta> I'll search the archives first. bbl
[15:41] <Kilos> join man all linux users in za should join our list
[15:43] <Kilos> its mainly where peeps ask for help with probs
[16:01] <rio_zenta> Kilos: What is your history with ubuntu?
[16:04] <Kilos> lol i started with win 95
[16:04] <Kilos> learned to fdisk format and reinstall there
[16:04] <Kilos> then 98 and xp with same thing
[16:05] <Kilos> at least one clean install a month
[16:05] <Kilos> then i got a cell that i got to use as a modem
[16:06] <Kilos> and the virii stuff started
[16:06] <Kilos> and the unregistered windows cds
[16:06] <Kilos> then a neighbour said he had 8.04 cd for me
[16:07] <Kilos> couldnt get that to connect with the cell so started hunting and found peeps with9.04  and the main mailing list
[16:08] <Kilos> someone there said try the za list for help because i ask stupid questions
[16:09] <Kilos> and then the fly told me how to get here and since then the guys have carried me and helped with everything till i can now ask for min help
[16:09] <Kilos> im a ballie with mechanics and farming backgrounds
[16:10] <Kilos> now i live here
[16:11] <Kilos> i love ubuntu even with unity being worse than gnome2
[16:11] <Kilos> im just west of ptown , where are you?
[16:13] <Kilos> sorry rio_zenta  i forget to use nicks most of the time
[16:14] <rio_zenta> ptown = pinetown?
[16:14] <Kilos> pretoria
[16:14] <Gremble> Pretoria
[16:14] <rio_zenta> oh, I'm here also. it's kak cold today
[16:14] <Kilos> very
[16:14] <Gremble> This afternoon it was nice
[16:14] <Kilos> last few weeks have been eina
[16:15] <rio_zenta> interesting story. glad to see people of diverse backgrounds picking up linux.
[16:15] <Kilos> nice outside in the sun onlyu
[16:15] <Kilos> only
[16:15] <rio_zenta> Plus the girls at tukkies will only be putting on their short skirts from sep/oct :'D
[16:15] <Kilos> now my son in rustenburg is on kubuntu as well
[16:15] <Kilos> haha
[16:16] <Kilos> us pta peeps are slowly becoming more
[16:16] <Gremble> rio_zenta, I saw a couple today in dresses
[16:16] <Gremble> I was glad :P
[16:17] <rio_zenta> I'm on xubuntu currently. 12.04, cause I'm too lazy to get 14.04
[16:18] <Kilos> there are dvds from canonical floating around
[16:18] <rio_zenta> Gremble: sometimes you can't look down or look up. you just have to blink slowly, or else your eyes will wander :'D
[16:18] <Kilos> we get from them with each release
[16:18] <rio_zenta> Do you guys not use the free wifi available in PTA? I think pta-east area is supported.
[16:19] <Kilos> im too far out
[16:19] <Gremble> I use it on campus
[16:19] <Gremble> I live too west
[16:19] <Kilos> im 6ks past the mahem robot on the way to brits
[16:20] <Gremble> I'm not that far west :P I live a block or so east from the Daspoort tunnel
[16:21] <Kilos> Gremble  where west are you?
[16:21] <Kilos> ah
[16:21] <Gremble> Yup
[16:22] <Kilos> im busy pleading with telkom to put wifi on the cell tower near here
[16:22] <Gremble> We had to plead them to give us a phone line
[16:22] <rio_zenta> aah okay, so even you okes are far away from it. I was thinking of pilot-testing a fibre project in my town. I think people will go for it if I convince them they can save on telkom and dstv
[16:22] <Gremble> At the beginning of the year,  they finally came and planted two poles next to our house for us
[16:23] <Gremble> DSTV?
[16:23] <Gremble> I don't think we have streaming services in SA
[16:23] <rio_zenta> yeah, with 50mb speed, do you need satelite tv?
[16:23] <Gremble> Access to legal content
[16:24] <Kilos> rio_zenta  where are you?
[16:44] <rio_zenta> Gremble: I think Hulu is accessible here in SA, and I'm not referring to pirated/illegal stuff.
[16:45] <rio_zenta> Kilos, I'm in what I think is south-west.
[16:45] <rio_zenta> Gremble: Have they managed to fix the parking issues at tukkies?
[16:45] <Gremble> No
[16:46] <Gremble> I just get there ungodly early to get parking :P
[16:46] <rio_zenta> where do you park?
[16:46] <Gremble> There is student parking east of Oom Gert
[16:46] <rio_zenta> aah okay. I know that spot. there's 1 next to campus and 1 opposite the girls res.
[16:49] <rio_zenta> Gremble: What are you studying?
[16:49] <Gremble> Applied Mathematics. What did/do you do rio_zenta ?
[16:50] <rio_zenta> Economics. I was expecting you to say CS, although I suspect CS is your minor.
[16:50] <Gremble> I did do CS
[16:50] <Gremble> I dislike programming
[16:51] <Gremble> I'm into stuff like computation theory though
[16:51] <Gremble> The mathematics behind computers
[16:51] <rio_zenta> Did you just do COS131/132? or were you studying CS?
[16:51] <Gremble> Studying cS
[16:51] <Gremble> finished first year
[16:52] <rio_zenta> aah.  So I more have a dislike toward the lecturer than the content
[16:53] <Gremble> It was simple enough
[16:53] <Gremble> Got distinctions for both tests
[16:54] <Gremble> I have no idea what the hell happend with 121. I passed that. I will never know how
[16:54] <rio_zenta> That makes sense. A math guy would be analytical enough to cope with C/C++. So you second year now?
[16:54] <Gremble> First year mathematics. Had to take the second semester math modules
[16:54] <Gremble> So last semester I did databases and informatics
[16:55] <rio_zenta> very interesting. I've gotta go now, but if you're around at say 9.30, we can chat a bit more. I can also introduce you to something beautiful. They call it "Python".
[16:55] <Gremble> I can do python :P
[16:55] <Gremble> See you later
[18:09] <smile> hi :)
[18:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps
[18:12] <Gremble> o/
[18:12] <Gremble> sup
[18:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmm not a lot :)
[18:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> that side?
[18:12] <Gremble> Just preparing for tomorrow
[18:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> whats happaning tomorrow?
[18:14] <Gremble> Nothing special. Just making sure my work is ready for class
[18:43] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[18:45] <magespawn> good evening
[18:46] <Kilos> ohi magespawn  meeting tomorrow night hey
[18:47] <magespawn> yup
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:47] <Kilos> hi superfly  you chairing tomorrow night? the monkey cant make it
[18:49] <Kilos> such pressure put on my poor old shoulders
[18:49] <magespawn> you could chair
[18:50] <Kilos> whew you peeps are hard of understanding
[18:50] <Kilos> ive been saying no for years
[18:50] <Kilos> im not a chair im a table
[18:51] <Kilos> how are you magespawn  ?
[19:00] <Kilos> aw i missed williamk
[19:03] <smile> good night! :)
[19:06]  * Kilos watches the utms vodacom yoyo
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: nee, I don't have time to.
[19:13] <Kilos> haha im teasing superfly  nuvo says he will
[19:14] <Kilos> whew bushtech  bad tonight hey
[19:14] <Kilos> find a vodacom ip addy and run  a ping and mtr to them
must be in the sticks
[19:16] <magespawn> i am good thanks Kilos
[19:17] <magespawn> how are things up there in freeze land?
[19:17] <Kilos> yip he is on a nature reserve outside pretoria
[19:17] <Kilos> cold magespawn
[19:18] <Kilos> and i dunno where my pro is,
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro  ping ping ping
[19:20] <Kilos> i wonder if running a ping to a unstable connection will help it stay online
[19:21] <Kilos> an unstable connection
[19:32] <magespawn> in and out
[19:33] <magespawn> i know a friend used to use it to keep a dial connection from being dropped
[19:35] <Kilos> yes but will running a ping from outside to him do the same thing
[19:49] <rio_zenta_afk> magespawn: where are you situated that is warm?
[20:08] <magespawn> KZN Hluhluwe
 i wonder if running a ping to a unstable connection will help it stay online
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> um, no
[20:08] <Kilos> oi poor guy
[20:08] <magespawn> no idea Kilos, if they are disconnecting based on lack of activity then it might
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> old wives tales, eish
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh yeah if you're in 1996 and your connection has an idle timeout
[20:09] <magespawn> but there should be communication anyway
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> but this is 2014
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> so no
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyhoo
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:09] <Kilos> night ThatGraemeGuy
[20:09] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:09] <magespawn> indeed this was hluhluwe so only 5 years ago
[20:11] <rio_zenta> magespawn: you guys have that warm weather vibe year-round. Even the capetonians should envy that.
[20:12] <magespawn> did get a bit chilly this year down to about 3
[20:15] <rio_zenta> magespawn: Is Eames Investments your company?
[20:15] <magespawn> anyway, i am off, good night all
[20:16] <magespawn> yes
[20:17] <magespawn> why did you ask?
[20:18] <rio_zenta> I can see the name, magespawn
[20:18] <magespawn> from the whois?
[20:21] <magespawn> anyway, i am off, good night all
[20:21] <rio_zenta> yep
[20:37] <Kilos> rio_zenta  you gonna visit us regularly?
[20:38] <rio_zenta> I'll add you guys to my channel list, so when I open xchat, ill be here.
[20:38] <Kilos> good man
[20:38] <Kilos> #ubuntu is too hectic for me
[20:38] <rio_zenta> seems like I can get a system76 laptop from the US, although I'm wondering whether there is a business opportunity to locally build laptops here.
[20:39] <Kilos> superfly  say hi to the new guy
[20:39] <rio_zenta> #ubuntu is more support related. Try #ubuntu-offtopic (I think I have the name wrong)
[20:39] <Kilos> rio_zenta  superfly  is our local python expert
[20:39] <Kilos> sytem76 the ubuntu peeps
[20:40] <rio_zenta> I've probably met superfly if he attends the python meetups in gauteng.
[20:40] <Kilos> no he is in ct
[20:40] <superfly> negatory, I live in the promised land.
[20:40] <Kilos> lol
[20:40] <rio_zenta> do you attend the cape town meetups? superfly
[20:40] <superfly> rio_zenta: not really. I have real life to deal with.
[20:41] <superfly> I once gave a talk there a few years ago.
[20:41] <Kilos> ct was promised to penguins
[20:41] <rio_zenta> ouch superfly. It took us real effort to get it going here in GP and we're seeing good numbers now
[20:42] <superfly> I saw. I'm watching. I'm super chuffed.
[20:42] <rio_zenta> Would you guys buy locally-assembled laptops with limited software support? medium to high end only ?
[20:42] <superfly> rio_zenta: I know wasbeer... uh... golly, what's his real name?
[20:43] <rio_zenta> walter?
[20:44] <Kilos> leibrand
[20:45] <Kilos> is that him
[20:45] <rio_zenta> yeah, cool guy. He should be here I think.
[20:45] <Kilos> he used to be here all the time
[20:45] <rio_zenta> Kilos, based on your estimates, about how many linux users do you think there are in SA?
[20:46] <Kilos> i think lots but most dont know about us
[20:46] <Kilos> varsities have many nmowadays
[20:46] <Kilos> nowadays
[20:47] <superfly> Yup, Walter
[20:48] <Kilos> there are also some older peepslike bushtech and some that only come here when they got probs
[20:48] <rio_zenta> hmmm, can't exactly sell a 9000 rand laptop to a varsity student...
[20:48] <Kilos> nope they are expensive
[20:49] <Kilos> and dual cores arent too good anymore. thats about all you can get cheaply
[20:49] <rio_zenta> i guess i'll just bare the win tax then. If we had like over 10 000 users in SA, there'd already be someone selling them here.
[20:50] <Kilos> there was a guy here about a year back that had a pc shop in the freestate i think that said he would sell linux pcs but he disappeared
[20:51] <charl> dell sells linux preinstalled (ubuntu)
[20:51] <charl> but i think you have to order it specifically
[20:51] <Kilos> the good thing about a windows lappy is that you can format it and install linux
[20:51] <superfly> rio_zenta: I'm looking to buy a laptop too, and have decided to just live with the Windows tax.
[20:51] <rio_zenta> charl: I contacted them in may. They referred me to one of their suppliers, whom I never had any contact with after the referral.
[20:52] <charl> as in, you didn't contact them, or they didn't contact you back ?
[20:52] <rio_zenta> superfly: What do you recommend? If you'd be interested, we could ship 2 system76 Gazelles here. I see the quote comes out to about $970 for a "beast".
[20:53] <superfly> rio_zenta: I don't have that sort of money, I'm just going to buy a bottom of the range toshiba
[20:53] <rio_zenta> charl: the dell sales guy told me he contacted them on my behalf. It's kind of like mustek sales, who reply to emails after 20 days.
[20:53] <charl> bah :(
[20:54] <charl> very unprofessional
[20:54] <rio_zenta> oh my bad superfly. I assumed you were a high-end user.
[20:54] <superfly> rio_zenta: that's why I have a desktop.
[20:54] <superfly> rio_zenta: that's my "high end"
[20:55] <superfly> which it doesn't really need to be, since I don't do anything that really requires that amount of firepower
[20:56] <rio_zenta> superfly: What purposes do you use your machines for?
[20:56] <superfly> development
[20:57] <rio_zenta> Here is the company I am suppose to get a dell from: http://www.westech.co.za/dell
[20:57] <rio_zenta> superfly: Are you a python dev-house?
[20:57] <superfly> uh... sortof
[20:57] <superfly> we do Python, C++, C, a little assembler and hardware
[20:59] <rio_zenta> I hope you're not the same company whose job details are being spammed the crap out of on every jobs board in SA. I see a company looking for: Python/C/C++ exp :'D
[20:59] <rio_zenta> oh, spammed by recruiters of course.
[20:59] <superfly> what's the name of hte company?
[20:59] <superfly> I suppose they don't say, hey?
[21:00] <rio_zenta> correct. I could provide a link to a description though.
[21:01] <rio_zenta> are you guys in stellenbosch?
[21:02] <superfly> No, Cape Town
[21:02] <superfly> We are kinda still looking for a developer.
[21:03] <rio_zenta> do you do low-level stuff?
[21:04] <superfly> We do everything from the actual electronics on the board, to writing server-side Python
[21:04] <superfly> two of the guys on the team specialise in the electronics, I specialise in the Python
[21:05] <superfly> Another guy specialises in C++
[21:05] <superfly> so we have specialists, but everyone digs in and does what is required.
[21:08] <rio_zenta> You're not hard to track down :P
[21:15] <rio_zenta> I best disappear for now. Getting late.


[12:24] <LaserJock> wahooo, will's back :-)
[12:28] <Burgundavia> NM tends to cause my X to hardlock
[12:28] <Burgundavia> is tonnes of fun
[12:29] <willvdl> LaserJock, don't be alarmed now son :)
[12:31] <LaserJock> I have nasty hibernation issues
[12:31] <LaserJock> I wonder if it could be NM
[12:31] <LaserJock> edgy was solid for me for hibernation
[12:32] <LaserJock> one feature (resume when you open the lid) didn't work but it was solid
[12:32] <LaserJock> with feisty I get all kinds of issues
[12:32] <LaserJock> I have to sit there and watch to make sure it actually hibernates
[12:32] <LaserJock> and lately it's been not hibernating but losing keyboard
[12:33] <LaserJock> so I can't do much to fix the problem
[12:33] <LaserJock> so it's a hard reboot
[12:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I probably shouldn't either, but I hate leaving a laptop on all day. I'm afraid it's going to overheat
[12:46] <willvdl> LaserJock, just think of it some _serious_ hibernation
[12:47] <willvdl> OMH, have I been waiting for this or what! https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/
[12:50] <ajmitch> looks useful
[12:52] <LaserJock> is vodafone a cell phone provider?
[12:54] <ajmitch> yep
[12:54] <ajmitch> a rather large international one
[12:55] <ajmitch> thankfully my phone did automatic roaming onto the vodafone UK & vodafone ES networks when I was over there :)
[12:57] <LaserJock> I'm not sure that we have it in the US
[12:58] <LaserJock> I think I might have been OK in Spain if I had a quad-band phone
[01:24] <willvdl> LaserJock, one of the reasons we have sooo many Edubuntu wiki pages is also because I initially setup redirects from camel case wikinames to sub-linked structure
[01:24] <willvdl> nervous to remove them :)
[01:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:27] <LaserJock> I just do a quick google search on the url to see if anybody is linking to them externally
[01:28] <LaserJock> and an internal search
[01:28] <LaserJock> and I zap them if I get nothing
[01:29] <willvdl> folks use bookmarks sometimes though
[01:29] <LaserJock> bah, who cares ;-)
[01:29] <willvdl> or delete em and revert on complaints :)
[01:44] <willvdl> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Devel/RoadMap
[01:44] <willvdl> thar she blows
[01:54] <willvdl> who's a regexp guru here?
[02:34] <willvdl> okie. late again. see you tomorrow
[10:17] <Fredri1> Hello, is there anyone that can guide me through some admin tools in edubuntu? Im trying to get a network printer set for all users, is there any way to do this without going in to every single user account and set it?
[10:18] <RichEd> Fredri1: let me check for a wiki page quickly ... give me a min
[10:19] <Fredri1> Thank you
[10:25] <RichEd> Fredri1: https://help.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html
[10:25] <RichEd> see: Printer Configuration with the Terminal (Advanced Users)
[10:25] <RichEd> You could write a script to do this I assume.
[10:26] <Fredri1> Thanks
[12:52] <RichEd> hi ogra-classmate
[12:55] <ogra-classmate> hey hey
[12:55] <RichEd> quicki wiki question: can i do a block where I tell the wiki to interpret as standard HTML and not wiki formatting ?
[12:56] <kgoetz> yes you can
[12:56] <kgoetz> off the top of my head i dont remember though (for the ubuntu wiki)
[12:56] <ogra-classmate> RichEd: ah, -classmate isnbt registered so you didnt see my answer
[12:56] <ogra-classmate> put the block in three curly brackets
[12:56] <RichEd> thanks kgoetz
[12:57] <RichEd> thanks ogra ... I presume I can do as long a chunk as I want ?
[12:57] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: heh. so i did remember, i'm getting my wikis confused ;)
[12:59] <ogra-classmate> tables and wikis are nothing you should menition in the same sentence
[02:17] <RichEd> ogra-classmate: no luck {{{ stops wiki interpretation but does not process HTML
[02:18] <ogra-classmate> you need to close it as well
[02:18] <ogra-classmate> oh
[02:19] <ogra-classmate> you want the html to be processed ?
[02:19] <RichEd> yessir i do indeed
[02:19] <ogra-classmate> i dont think thats possible
[02:19] <RichEd> or in fact *not* processed, but just sent to my browser so it can process it
[02:19] <ogra-classmate> i thought you wanted to show it
[02:19] <RichEd> np ... will go back to || then
[02:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: I think it escapes everything out :(
[02:20] <highvoltage> html in wiki would've been so nice.
[02:20] <ogra-classmate> thats unlikely to work ... if it would work it would be a big security hole in moin
[02:20] <RichEd> from #moin <quote>
 there is a unsupported html macro
 and there is moin 1.6
 but be aware of the security issues you'll have on a public wiki with this
 thanks ...
[02:21] <RichEd> you tech guys are all alike ;)
[02:21] <ogra-classmate> if you could embed html you likely could include java or javascript and do evil things
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> hmm, running evo with 20000 mails in my inbox doesnt make classmate to happy
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> hehe
[02:26] <highvoltage> ogra-classmate: other CMS's does it, I'm sure it can be done securely, you can filter stuff like javascript out
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> probably
[02:26] <ogra-classmate> i wouldnt do it if i were CMS upstream
[02:28] <ogra-classmate> it introduces an area thats predefined to cause you pain and grief
[02:29] <willvdl> RichEd, send me the html you want to display. I'll see if I can hash out a script
[02:30] <willvdl> or, if it's an app list, lets pop it in drupal :)
[02:30] <willvdl> drupal knows html ;]
[02:31] <willvdl> cbx33!
[02:31] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[02:32] <RichEd> willvdl: first i'll get my page looking right in || and then maybe chat to you about a chunk of content
[02:32] <RichEd> thanks
[02:33] <willvdl> RichEd, if it's already in formatted html then it should be easy on the www site
[02:34] <RichEd> willvdl: i'll do a couple of pages and then show newz2000
[02:34] <willvdl> better :)
[02:35] <RichEd> if he likes what I am doing he may give me edit rights on a pre-production server ... cut out the middle step
[02:35] <willvdl> pre-production server?
[02:36] <RichEd> not sure what you call it ... test server ? the draft server ? that's just the naming convention we used in corporate land
[02:36] <willvdl> meaning a whole new seperate server?
[02:37] <RichEd> willvdl: he already has one ... where he built the new www.ubuntu.com content efore it replaced the old content
[02:37] <RichEd> *before
[02:38] <willvdl> ah. gotcha. was scared we were splitting servers for a sec :)
[02:45] <jsgotangco> ahh there's a meeting later
[02:45] <jsgotangco> but that's 4am for me heh
[02:47] <willvdl> highvoltage, have you ever looked at Intel little valley servers?
[02:48] <highvoltage> willvdl: no
[02:49] <willvdl> aha. want to help me test one out?
[02:50] <RichEd> willvdl: speaking of meetings ... are you able to chair tonight ? i have relatives with me (father in law) and am out to a family dinner.
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> teacher@edubuntu:~$ df -h
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> unionfs               278M  8.0M  270M   3% /
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> /dev/sdb3             825M   29M  796M   4% /home
[02:50] <ogra-classmate> meet the smallest edubuntu evah :)
[02:50] <highvoltage> willvdl: yep. what do I need to do?
[02:50] <willvdl> RichEd, sure
[02:50] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: waho
[02:51] <willvdl> edubuntu-lite ...
[02:51] <willvdl> highvoltage, intel guys sent me one to look at
[02:52] <willvdl> just wondering how it would compare with other stuff you've been using as TC servers from them
[02:52] <RichEd> willvdl: from the UES relationship ? or another angel ?
[02:52] <RichEd> *angle
[02:52] <willvdl> RichEd, both. I deal with Intel ed folks on NEPAD as well
[02:53] <cbx33> ogra-classmate: so what's installed on it?
[02:53] <willvdl> but Willie linked me and Africa GM recently. going to chat to them in Kenya
[02:53] <cbx33> UES is an Angel?
[02:54] <willvdl> cbx33, or a Darling
[02:56] <cbx33> heheh
[02:58] <ogra-classmate> heh
[02:58] <ogra-classmate> well, it hides a lot :)
[02:58] <ogra-classmate> cbx33: www.classmatepc.com
[03:08] <cbx33> 404
[03:11] <willvdl> cbx33 works for me
[03:14] <RichEd> ogra-classmate: <BenC> RichEd: I'm going to test out rt73 again today on the classmate, using the driver that just got sent to me (which should support network-manager, wpa, wep, etc)
[03:14] <ogra-classmate> yeah, i was on CC in that mail
[03:14] <ogra-classmate> would be cool to get that fixed finallz
[03:14] <ogra-classmate> s/z/y
[03:19] <RichEd> ogra-classmate: also see the hackety hack mail
[03:20] <RichEd> let me know if you think this would be a fit for CmPc
[03:23] <ogra-classmate> will do
[03:50] <ogra-classmate> RichEd: the hackerty hack stuff would force us to pull a lot of stuff to main and on the CD i not really keen to support
[03:50] <ogra-classmate> *i'm
[03:51] <ogra-classmate> getting it into universe would be no problem though
[03:58] <willvdl> does anyone know if https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting is still current?
[03:58] <willvdl> it looks old but I'm wondering of Henrik's Testing pages take care of this now?
[03:58] <willvdl> ogra, do you still use https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting?
[03:59] <willvdl> ogra-classmat1, ^^^
[03:59] <ogra-classmat1> willvdl: it should be obsolete, i should make new test plans anyway for every release
[04:00] <willvdl> doesn't Henrik's Testing page host that stuff now?
[04:00] <ogra-classmat1> cjwatson and Keybuk are currently asdjusting the spec templates so we can add testing plans during speccing in the future
[04:01] <ogra-classmat1> hendriks testpage has none of the edubuntu specifis afaik
[04:01] <willvdl> aha. okie. will leave them there scheduled for expansion
[04:02] <ogra-classmat1> i'll try to work out somethingt proper before the big testing starts
[04:32] <mcsd> does anyone have edubuntu running?
[04:33] <mcsd> I was wondering if someone could check something for me
[04:33] <SimonAnibal> I have Ubuntu running...
[04:33] <mcsd> SimonAnibal: do you have kstars installed?
[04:33] <SimonAnibal> Yeah
[04:34] <mcsd> can you open it for me please
[04:34] <SimonAnibal> sure
[04:35] <mcsd> when I right click on an object ...say mars it has a list of thumbnails you can open..they open but if you chose say the wikipedia page entry on mars I get an error
[04:35] <mcsd> Error: Could not launch the browser Could not find service 'kfmclient'
[04:35] <SimonAnibal> Lemme check
[04:36] <willvdl> kfmclient?
[04:36] <mcsd> it appears because it is expecting to use KDE and not Gnome to route the request
[04:36] <SimonAnibal> I get the exact same error message over here
[04:36] <willvdl> yeah
[04:36] <mcsd> I googled kfclient I think it is something within KDE
[04:36] <willvdl> must be possible to reconfig to use firefox
[04:36] <mcsd> kfm rather
[04:36] <SimonAnibal> Hmmm, I can't find a preference for the browser
[04:37] <mcsd> I couldn't find anything either
[04:37] <willvdl> urk but that service won't be running anyway
[04:37] <willvdl> unless, you install its package...
[04:37] <SimonAnibal> Definite bug
[04:37] <mcsd> it really stinks cause linking to pages would be really useful
[04:37] <mcsd> I have it here   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/112414  but no responce
[04:37] <ogra-classmate> kfmclient is the piece that starts konqueror in browser or filemanager mode
[04:37] <willvdl> and a built in usabliity feature already
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112414 in Ubuntu "Error: Could not find service 'kfmclient' using Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:37] <mcsd> yeah that is my post
[04:38] <willvdl> :)
[04:38] <ogra-classmate> tra setting kstars to use a browser instead :)
[04:38] <ogra-classmate> *try
[04:38] <SimonAnibal> how?
[04:38] <mcsd> does the description in Launchpad seem clear?  I din't know how to classify it
[04:40] <willvdl> sounds fine. someone will try and confirm it
[04:40] <willvdl> then assign it
[04:41] <SimonAnibal> Can I confirm it? Or does a bug person have to do it
[04:41] <SimonAnibal> Hm, interesting visual
[04:46] <mcsd> ogra-classmate: try setting kstars to use a browser instead :)  ... do you know how to do this?
[04:46] <jikanter> does edubuntu package bluej?
[04:48] <ogra-classmate> msno idea, in the settings somewhere ?
[04:49] <RichEd> jikanter: i can't see it in add/remove ... what is it ?
[04:50] <kgoetz> i'm just trying dansguardian+squid - i'm impressed
[04:53] <kgoetz> wonder what the order of events is as far as filtering - i have adzapper and dansguardian. i'm not sure which is taking the brunt, but either way, its good
[04:54] <moquist> ogra-classmate: should I be able to drop your C greeter into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters and just pass 'greeter' in the path instead of 'gtk' in ldm? (It's not starting.)
[04:54] <moquist> dang.
[04:58] <jikanter> it is the program my university uses to teach students to program
[04:59] <jikanter> RichEd: It is the program my university uses to teach students to program
[04:59] <RichEd> jikanter: can you give me a reference where I can see the application details ? web page ?
[05:01] <kgoetz> what log file can i look in for hits againt the tftp server?
[05:03] <kgoetz> sorry, cancle that
[05:09] <kgoetz> darn. there used to be instructions on teh edubuntu wiki how to setup a client to boot the server, but be able to boot windows. anyoneknow where they went?
[05:10] <ogra-classmate> likely in help.ubuntu.com
[05:10] <ogra-classmate> s/in/on
[05:10] <kgoetz> i'll have a try, thanks
[05:14] <kgoetz> *sigh* cant find it. another page i should have saved :|
[05:17] <ogra-classmate> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
[05:18] <moquist> ogra-classmate: should I be able to drop your C greeter into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/greeters and just pass 'greeter' in the path instead of 'gtk' in ldm? (It's not starting.)
[05:19] <moquist> ogra-classmate: rather, the X server keeps bouncing up and down, and greeter is complaining about ...
[05:19] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: ah, wicked, thats the area.
[05:20] <moquist> ogra-classmate: should I need to install any additional packages in the chroot to use the C greeter?
[05:21] <ogra-classmate> moquist: i'll provide a new ldm package soon, until then you should just untar the tgz in the client chroot
[05:21] <juliux> hmm i have some strange syslog entries from pulseaudio any ideas?  http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/10980/
[05:21] <ogra-classmate> it should install everything in the right locations
[05:21] <juliux> that creates a lot of cpu work and so my fan is running the whole time
[05:23] <juliux> pulseaudio comes with the ltps packages on my computer
[05:24] <kgoetz> anyone here use feisty? is it possible to reboot a client, or sitll only to shut it down?
[05:24] <kgoetz> anyone here usign feisty. stupid questions r us
[05:24] <yuriy> i think it's still only shut it down
[05:25] <moquist> ogra-classmate: I just have a URL to a bzr branch. where is this tgz?
[05:26] <juliux> nobody an idea about the pulesaudio problem? if i stop pulse audio via the init.d skript it starts again, if i kill the porcess it starts again
[05:27] <juliux> ok i will remove pulseaudio;)
[05:27] <kgoetz> reboot would be so useful debuggin :\
[05:30] <ogra-classmate> juliux: hmm, nothing of ltsp-server should depend directly on pulse
[05:31] <juliux> ogra-classmate, no not depend but recommended
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> recommend is fine, but it shouldnt be installed, thats strange
[05:31] <ogra-classmate> you only need pulse on the client
[05:32] <ogra-classmate> kgoetz: feisty has reboot
[05:32] <kgoetz> ogra-classmate: woot. thanks. :)
[05:33] <ogra-classmate> moquist: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ldm-new-greeter.tgz
[05:35] <moquist> ogra-classmate: thx
[05:41] <kgoetz> almost there i hope. having issues booting per mac.
[05:41] <kgoetz> anyone got experiance booting with different pxelinux.cfg/config files? i've had it happening in the past, but cant for the life of me get it working now
[05:42] <moquist> kgoetz: you mean getting macs to boot a different config?
[05:42] <kgoetz> no, getting a pxe system to use a different config by MAC address
[05:43] <moquist> kgoetz: right...configuring dhcpd.conf to give a certain MAC address a certain set of options
[05:43] <moquist> kgoetz: Though I now see you're not talking about computers from Apple. :)
[05:43] <kgoetz> :)
[05:44] <moquist> kgoetz: Same answer, though. I'll plop a dhcpd.conf that does this sort of thing up on nopaste.
[05:44] <kgoetz> i thought you dropped a different named config file in pxelinux.0, but i'll look into the dhcpd.conf
[05:44] <kgoetz> moquist: that would be awesome, thanks
[05:44] <moquist> kgoetz: Well, you will need a different pxe config file
[05:45] <moquist> kgoetz: but dhcpd.conf has to know to hand that as an option to the DHCP client in question
[05:46] <moquist> http://n01se.net/paste/ld4
[05:46] <moquist> kgoetz: ^^^^^^
[05:46] <kgoetz> looking
[05:47] <kgoetz> hm. think i get it. i'll try it out. thanks again
[05:47] <moquist> kgoetz: np
[05:50] <kgoetz> moquist: is /lts/boot relative to teh tftp dir?
[05:50] <moquist> kgoetz: yes
[05:50] <moquist> kgoetz: that file came straight out of an almost-stock K12LTSP install, which puts some things in different places.
[05:51] <moquist> (than edubuntu)
[05:52] <cbx33> and cryptography freaks here :p
[05:56] <kgoetz> PXELINUX will search for its config file on the boot server in the following way:
[05:56] <kgoetz> First, it will search for the config file using the hardware type (using its ARP type code) and address, all in lower case hexadecimal with dash separators; for example, for an Ethernet (ARP type 1) with address 88:99:AA:BB:CC:DD it would search for the filename 01-88-99-aa-bb-cc-dd
[05:56] <kgoetz> but its /not/ doing that :(
[05:58] <moquist> ogra-classmate: just to review ('cuz the udev init changes aren't letting X start): I commented out /sbin/udevtrigger and the entire "if /sbin/udevsettle" branch.
[05:58] <ogra-classmate> no
[05:58] <ogra-classmate> dont comment udevtrigger
[05:58] <moquist> how about udevmonitor?
[05:59] <ogra-classmate> its the essential part you need
[05:59] <moquist> ogra-classmate: the note I wrote when you told me the first time is wrong. I will now fix it. :)
[05:59] <moquist> ogra-classmate: so only comment out udevtrigger?
[05:59] <ogra-classmate> udevmonitor and udevsettle should be commented
[05:59] <moquist> ha ha! ONLY comment udevmonitor and udevsettle, then.
[05:59] <ogra-classmate> right
[05:59] <moquist> ogra-classmate: righty-o.
[06:00] <ogra-classmate> i not even sure monitor gains us anything, but settle will
[06:00] <LaserJock> hi ogra-classmate
[06:00] <ogra-classmate> monitor likely only saves some ram
[06:00] <ogra-classmate> hey LaserJock
[06:01] <LaserJock> I don't suppose you've had a chance to look at my debdiff for tuxpaint?
[06:05] <willvdl> hey folks, how does one work out a .deb dependency list?
[06:05] <kgoetz> apt-cache [r] depends
[06:06] <LaserJock> willvdl: how do you mean?
[06:06] <willvdl> say for eg I want to install apache2 on a PC that has no internet connection
[06:06] <LaserJock> ah, then depends might work
[06:06] <willvdl> and I want to get all the required packages
[06:08] <willvdl> is there a way to just list the stuff I would need to download that are not part of a standard install?
[06:08] <moquist> it should be possible to put in a server install CD and add that repo to the sources.list
[06:08] <willvdl> apache2 was jsut an example
[06:08] <LaserJock> willvdl: well, synaptic will do it for you
[06:08] <moquist> willvdl: run apt-get install <blah> on a standard install that *is* connected to the network, and copy 'n paste the list of stuff that will be installed.
[06:08] <LaserJock> if you go in and select what  you want to install
[06:09] <LaserJock> then select the "save download script" it saves a bash script with wget lines
[06:09] <LaserJock> run that on any *nix computer and you'll have the .debs
[06:09] <moquist> LaserJock: that rocks.
[06:09] <LaserJock> of course it does ;-)
[06:09] <willvdl> it's hhhawt
[06:09] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:10] <LaserJock> there's also aptoncd
[06:10] <LaserJock> which I think might make you an .iso for it
[06:10] <LaserJock> but that might be a bit overkill in this case
[06:11] <willvdl> but useful
[06:12] <willvdl> LaserJock, where is the "save download script"?
[06:12] <LaserJock> in "File"
[06:13] <willvdl> ah, save markings
[06:14] <LaserJock> there should be a "Generate package download script" option
[06:14] <LaserJock> and then there is a "Add downloaded packages" option right below it
[06:14] <willvdl> right, but it only generates one level of dependency
[06:14] <LaserJock> it should produce everything you need to install
[06:15] <willvdl> what about stuff that those packages depend on?
[06:15] <willvdl> the dependencies for the dependencies?
[06:15] <LaserJock> yes
[06:15] <LaserJock> becuase when you go to install something, it has to do that anyway
[06:15] <willvdl> or is that all the depencies needed for your current system?
[06:15] <LaserJock> yes
[06:16] <willvdl> sweet
[06:16] <LaserJock> so run it on the computer with no connection
[06:16] <willvdl> excellent
[06:16] <willvdl> well, I'm suggesting the guy set up a vmware or qemu of the system he wants to maintain
[06:16] <RichEd> willvdl: may see you later in the meeting ... depends
[06:16] <willvdl> in his office
[06:16] <willvdl> RichEd, cool
[06:17] <willvdl> with a test bed like that he can determine what to download so that he has the stuff for the off-site installation
[06:21] <willvdl> LaserJock, moquist : that's exactly what I need
[06:21] <willvdl> I'm assuming synaptic is doing an apt depends anyway. would be interested to find out
[06:37] <kgoetz> this picture is of a menu put up from the default config file. i'm trying to get it to boot teh mac (should be first). even after trying what i've had suggested here icant get it going. throught the picture might make clear what i'm trying to do (incase it wasnt) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=LTSPMultibootScreenShot.png
[06:42] <kgoetz> hum.... i might have got it to go
[06:48] <kgoetz> for some reason, using the hex works, using the mac doesnt - *bit round shrug*
[06:53] <kgoetz> You guys are legends! it works :) thanks for your work
[09:14] <apecat> hmm, i'm trying to boot a client (vmware) to my edu feisty ltsp in vmware, and after the bootsplash i get bothing in all it's grandness. where should i start troubleshooting?
[09:15] <apecat> *lts
[09:41] <willvdl> [09:43] <willvdl> ooh, tea
[09:44] <LaserJock> argg, I forgot about it
[09:47] <willvdl> your tea?
[09:48] <LaserJock> no, the meeting
[09:49] <crimsun> he's terribly busy being an MOTU superstar :-)
[09:49] <crimsun> with his frickin lasers
[09:49] <LaserJock> I'm actually trying to do some experiments
[09:49] <LaserJock> and do some Main merges
[09:49] <crimsun> see? frickin lasers
[09:49] <juliux> willvdl, this time first h tech and the 1h communoty ??
[09:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: of course lasers ;-)
[09:50] <LaserJock> and I'm trying to arrange somem sea bass from the bio dept. :-)
[09:50] <willvdl> "Jordans with frikkin laserbeams attached to their head"?
[09:51] <willvdl> juliux, we'll follow the usual format I guess...
[09:51] <juliux> willvdl, ok
[09:51] <LaserJock> arggg
[09:51] <willvdl> hopefully not 2 hours :)
[09:52] <LaserJock> 3?
[09:52] <willvdl> If you want
[09:52] <willvdl> I can go on about the war?
[09:52] <willvdl> s/go/drone/
[09:53] <willvdl> [09:54] <LaserJock> hmm, then he realizes how long it takes just to download the gcompris tarball :/
[10:00] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: pfft ... you should see the upload times
[10:01] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: were you planning on doing the merge?
[10:01] <LaserJock> I just saw it was there and thought I'd give it a go
[10:01] <ogra-classmate> well, its on mz general o merge"list
[10:02] <ogra-classmate> *my
[10:02] <pips1> hi folks
[10:02] <ogra-classmate> but i'm happy to give it away
[10:02] <pips1> =8-O
[10:02] <ogra-classmate> *join
[10:02] <pips1> ;-)
[10:02] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I saw that doko touched it last so I wasn't sure
[10:03] <willvdl> [10:03] <pips1> willvdl: that's what I'm here for...
[10:03] <willvdl> I want to hear all about Linden Labs!
[10:04] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, RichEd might make it in later
[10:04] <pips1> willvdl: well, it was just a presentation...
[10:05] <willvdl> pips1, still... sounded interesting
[10:22] <ace_ace> !ogra
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <ace_ace> !seen ogra
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <ace_ace> !gcompris
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gcompris - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <ace_ace> hi all, I have some problem with Edubuntu Feisty and Gcompris
[10:22] <ace_ace> First off, let me tell you how much improved Edubuntu Feisty is over Dapper: GREAT work !
[10:23] <ace_ace> My problem is: whe I run Gcompris, the screen gets all mangled on the thin client. At first it looks normal, then when there is
[10:23] <willvdl> ace_ace, we're in an Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting at the mo. may be a bit quiet
[10:23] <willvdl> pop by in there
[10:24] <ace_ace> that little clown being overlayed on the puzzle that you just finished, it's getting all striped (interlaced, it looks).
[10:24] <ace_ace> okay
[10:24] <ace_ace> thanks
[10:41] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: btw, are you still unable to post to edubuntu-* ML?
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> i never was
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> only -devel
[10:41] <LaserJock> you can post to -devel? or no
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> i can post to -users just fine
[10:41] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[10:41] <ogra-classmate> i cant post to -devel
[10:42] <LaserJock> we need to get that fixed
[10:42] <LaserJock> does using a separate email address help?
[10:42] <ogra-classmate> i have to set up one first :)
[10:43] <ogra-classmate> but i guess so
[10:45] <LaserJock> we need expert input there ;-)
[10:45] <LaserJock> and I'm at a bad TZ often to do IRC
[10:45] <ogra-classmate> yep
[10:46] <ogra-classmate> the ML needs love over all
[10:46] <willvdl> did you submit an RT?
[10:46] <ogra-classmate> there is quite a full queue as well
[10:46] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: who admins the edubuntu-devel list?
[10:46] <ogra-classmate> me, highvoltage, mez and RichEd
[10:47] <ogra-classmate> where mez isnt been active over the last 6 months
[10:47] <LaserJock> I don't mind moderating if you need help
[10:47] <ogra-classmate> i love to
[10:47] <ogra-classmate> i'll mail you the data if i'm back near my regular laptop again
[10:48] <ogra-classmate> (tomorrow morning)
[10:49] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: fine
[10:49] <ogra-classmate> hmmm
[10:50] <ogra-classmate> i wonder how fast a usb raid cluster might get
[10:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:51] <ogra-classmate> i'll test that if i'm done with the classmate :)
[10:52] <crimsun> ogra-classmate: not very.
[10:52] <ogra-classmate> data scattered over 4 or 6 flashdisks could get pretty fast
[10:53] <crimsun> I have 5 right now, and it's not noticeably faster than SATA.
[10:53] <ogra-classmate> but surely faster than one with three partitions you also run the os from :)
[10:53] <crimsun> man I'm going to miss free hw.
[10:53] <ogra-classmate> going to ?
[10:54] <crimsun> new job, no free stuff.
[10:54] <ogra-classmate> better job ?
[10:54] <crimsun> more challenging, more travelling - so in a sense, yes.
[10:54] <ogra-classmate> aww, more travelling ....
[10:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: is this a uni job?
[10:56] <crimsun> no.
[10:58] <LaserJock> so you're still teaching?
[10:59] <crimsun> LaserJock: I resigned last week.
[10:59] <nixternal> LaserJock: is it in our repos?
[11:00] <ogra-classmate> crimsun: and you didnt apply at canonical ?
[11:00] <LaserJock> nixternal: no
[11:00] <nixternal> k
[11:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: wow, big changes for you
[11:01] <nixternal> he is moving to DC...he wants to be my neighbor
[11:01] <LaserJock> heh
[11:01] <crimsun> ogra-classmate: no.
[11:02] <ogra-classmate> meh
[11:02] <ace_ace> hey guys
[11:02] <ogra-classmate> what a miss for us :(
[11:02] <ace_ace> still having problems with gcompris! The sound is working perfect in 7.04
[11:03] <ace_ace> but on the thin client, the screen is all messe dup. I tried gcompris -w but same problem.
[11:03] <ace_ace> Is thers some option that i need to enable to stop the screen messing up ?
[11:03] <ogra-classmate> try X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
[11:04] <ogra-classmate> in your ltd.conf
[11:04] <ogra-classmate> err
[11:04] <ogra-classmate> lts.conf
[11:04] <ace_ace> ogra!
[11:05] <ace_ace> The rest of Edubuntu is workng fine, it's just gcompris, are you sure ?
[11:06] <ogra-classmate> well, color depth is one option ... it wont hurt to try it once :)
[11:06] <ogra-classmate> after all its only adding/removing one line to a file :)
[11:07] <ace_ace> yea h yeah and by accident rebooting the server instead of the tc :-)
[11:17] <ace_ace> ogra: guess what, it worked :-) won't you make that the default in the lts.conf next release ?
[11:17] <ogra-classmate> no
[11:18] <ogra-classmate> its onlynecessary on older and rather underpowered graphics boards
[11:18] <ogra-classmate> so making it a default would be to much
[11:18] <ace_ace> ah okay. I have one of those disklessworkstations, a pity that thet have underpowerd gfx board then! (I got 56 og them :-)
[11:19] <ace_ace> But okay i got this now an will document it somewhere so I won't forget !
[11:19] <ogra-classmate> oh, the 500mhz one ?
[11:19] <ogra-classmate> the 1ghz variant works fine with 24bit
[11:20] <ogra-classmate> t170 is the name i think .... vs t150
[11:21] <ogra-classmate> it might be that you can set the shared graphics memory higher tofix that
[11:27] <ace_ace> it don't matter for now. I can see edubuntu has improved greatly!!!
[11:27] <ogra-classmate> +*
[11:27] <ogra-classmate> :)
[11:27] <ace_ace> I now have to go back to my old struggle with win4lin, but the good thing is
[11:28] <ace_ace> is that Jim Provan has opened his own site, win4lin9xsupport.com (or something like that)
[11:28] <ace_ace> so finally we will have kernel support for that stuff...
[11:28] <ogra-classmate> nice
[11:29] <ace_ace> Everytime I restart doing stuff with edubuntu, I am full of plans and ideas then 3 months later I have to confess that there is just nog enough time...
[11:29] <lns> wassuuuuuuuup all
[11:30] <ogra-classmate> yeah, it tends to eat peoples time
[11:30] <lns> Is it ok to discuss a vanilla Ubuntu Feisty/LTSP setup and some issues I've run into here?
[11:30] <ace_ace> but edubuntu is becoming better though, so it's becoming more easy for me to build on it.
[11:31] <ace_ace> So please do continue :-) I'll stand on the shoulders of giant ogre's :-)
[11:32] <ogra-classmate> :)
[11:37] <nixternal> LaserJock: thanks for the desktop-moinmoin heads up
[11:39] <LaserJock> it's working for you?
[11:39] <LaserJock> the thing that was nice for me is I can do it on my mac
[11:39] <LaserJock> they have a nice desktopmoin for OS X
[11:41] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: did you see the TB decision on core-dev process?
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> nope
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> i was pretty much out of the loop of everything during this week
[11:42] <LaserJock> so basically the MOUTU Council will recieve applications and collet info/recommendations/etc.
[11:42] <ogra-classmate> and thats unlikely to change before next
[11:42] <LaserJock> and then pass on a recommendation to the TB which will set up an interview with the applicant
[11:43] <LaserJock> I'm going to do a few more Main merges I think and then apply
[11:43] <LaserJock> but I'll need you're testimony via email
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> sure
[11:46] <ogra-classmate> you can have me in the interview if you want :)
[11:46] <LaserJock> excellent, just wanted to give you a heads up
[11:48] <pips1> hi
[11:49] <willvdl> LaserJock, what Mac do you use?
[11:50] <pips1> willvdl: I'll respond to that mail you wrote about organising edubuntu.org, noting that I'd prefer a fresh re-install of drupal...
[11:51] <willvdl> pips1, cool. I'm a self-proclaimed LP zealot :) so if you need help on that side I'm sure we can learn something from nixternal too
[11:52] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, mentioned in meeting was considering drupal module (on some DB) vs DB and then CGI web-forms
[11:52] <willvdl> the latter would not integrate well into drupal but if themed right might be much easier to develop?
[11:53] <LaserJock> willvdl: I have an intel iMac, 17"
[11:53] <willvdl> LaserJock, and you have acpi woes?
[11:54] <LaserJock> no
[11:54] <willvdl> suspend resume?
[11:54] <LaserJock> oh, that was on my laptop
[11:54] <LaserJock> my imac is only OS X
[11:54] <willvdl> oops, I'm thinking macbook
[11:55] <willvdl> curious as to ubuntu support on mac lappies
[11:55] <LaserJock> pips1: I'm totally +1 for using the LP teams/bzr/bug tracker for the edubuntu website
[11:55] <LaserJock> I think it's pretty darn good
[11:55] <pips1> willvdl: ogra-classmate if there are any questions about implementing the app-database as a drupal module, ping me
[11:55] <willvdl> pips1, I'm thinking about whether we should do it in drupal
[11:56] <willvdl> it means we have issues of upgrades of drupal etc.
[11:56] <LaserJock> well, you can put in essentially arbitrary php into a drupal page
[11:56] <willvdl> and if we ever decide to move it or share it across the edubuntu and community site...
[11:56] <pips1> well, you can ask matt nuzum on his views on this too, he has written a drupal module for the ubuntu.com site...
[11:56] <ogra-classmate> willvdl: well, it really depoends on who will make it ...
[11:56] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, true
[11:57] <LaserJock> that's the other thing
[11:57] <willvdl> so, who will make it? :)
[11:57] <LaserJock> do we even know who'll work on it?
[11:57] <willvdl> HedgeMage mentioned offering some help? <hint hint>
[11:57] <LaserJock> should we make it a community project?
[11:57] <ogra-classmate> i wouldnt be able to write a drupal module for example, i have no clue abiout php and am not keen on learning it
[11:57] <willvdl> of course
[11:57] <pips1> HedgeMage: ? that was long ago...
[11:57] <willvdl> no, recent
[11:57] <willvdl> according to rich
[11:58] <willvdl> presumably one can plug in arbitrary python cgi into drupal module too
[11:58] <pips1> oh, well I remember a conversation with RichEd and HedgeMage, but that was ages ago, but of course she might have talked to RichEd more recently
[11:58] <LaserJock> or you should be able to do it outside of drupal as well
[11:58] <willvdl> yeah
[11:58] <pips1> hmm..
[11:59] <LaserJock> I get a bit hesitent to do stuff like this in drupal
[11:59] <willvdl> my vote would be for python cgi. we have more python coders
[11:59] <LaserJock> since we could change cms or perhaps other people want to use it
[11:59] <willvdl> and I am more than happy to work on layout vs css
[11:59] <willvdl> which I can do better than coding these days
[11:59] <LaserJock> we can use the css from the drupal site and it should blend in ok
[12:00] <willvdl> LaserJock, or LP decides to integrate it :)
[12:00] <LaserJock> if it's python I could probably at least attempt at contributing
[12:00] <ogra-classmate> right, that would be a future goal
[12:00] <willvdl> pips1, but if it's easier in drupal... and we have more contribution...
[12:00] <willvdl> let's do both and see who gets it done first? Winner gets an honourable mention :)
[12:01] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:01] <LaserJock> well, perhaps we need to get a person/team around it first
[12:01] <LaserJock> and see what those people would like to do, since they're writing it, and discuss it with sysadmin's to make sure they're ok with it
[12:03] <willvdl> we have a website team but maybe a different one
[12:03] <willvdl> maybe register as a product and new team to control bzr access
[12:04] <pips1> yeah, I guess the person who does it get's a say on how to do it...
[12:04] <willvdl> LaserJock, and get it approved :)
[12:04] <pips1> however, let me just quickly state the benefits / drawbacks i see for doing it as a drupal module:
[12:05] <willvdl> shoot
[12:05] <pips1> Benefit 1: The application items are integrated in drupal's search
[12:05] <willvdl> application items?
[12:05] <pips1> Benefit 2: Perhaps each application item should be a drupal "node", that would give us drupal's tagging (taxonomy) "for free"
[12:07] <ogra-classmate> pips1: you need a lot of backend code i.e. apt integration .... we have python modules for these already while you need to write something for php first
[12:08] <pips1> Benefit 3: User authentication would be integrated with drupal, i.e. someone who signed up as a drupal site contributor will be able to contribute to the applications database, and we could leverage drupals permission management to even have rights for adding items / writing reviews / commenting / rating...
[12:08] <ogra-classmate> php/drupal will be a lot easier for the frontend integration etc, but there will be a good amount of backend to write
[12:08] <pips1> willvdl: oh, by "application item" I mean, the description (metadata) of an edu application
[12:09] <willvdl> BEnefit 3: can we integrate with LP account?
[12:10] <LaserJock> well, for the frontend all we need is a form page and some display pages right?
[12:10] <LaserJock> so we can have drupal pages that GET/POST to a python engine
[12:10] <LaserJock> or am I wrong?
[12:10] <pips1> willvdl: about LP account integration, I asked the same question to RichEd when we dicussed the community site, but he said that we shouldn't get bogged down by this...
[12:10] <ogra-classmate> anyway, bedtime for me, if there is anwhere i can help with and i dont need to learn  php for it, just let me know :)
[12:10] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: right
[12:11] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I'll be sending you a debdiff for gcompris and if you can do that and the tuxpaint debdiff I'd appreciate it
[12:11] <LaserJock> I already got dholbach to sponsor a merge
[12:11] <ogra-classmate> is there anything left in gcompris >
[12:11] <ogra-classmate> ?
[12:11] <LaserJock> to keep?
[12:11] <HedgeMage> Somebody hilight me?
[12:11] <willvdl> ogra-classmate, nighty
[12:11] <ogra-classmate> yeah
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> i think we can just sync
[12:12] <LaserJock> well, I'll have to check but I think we still are removing some sounds
[12:12] <HedgeMage> whyfor what's up and all that stuff?
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> debian should use a recent python now
[12:12] <HedgeMage> willvdl, pips1: ping
[12:12] <willvdl> pips1 single-signon will be important only really if we require submissions from registered accounts
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> the sound removal was due to the space issues
[12:12] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: and those aren't a problem anymore?
[12:12] <willvdl> but for maintenance of the queues would be by devs anyway
[12:12] <willvdl> HedgeMage, howdi
[12:12] <pips1> Drawback 1: If we use drupal's form API, that is already known to change for drupal 6, so yes, the code would need to be adjusted once we would switch to drupal 6
[12:12] <ogra-classmate> i'm fine with getting some mb back for not having to maintain gcompris
[12:13] <HedgeMage> hi willvdl, did you and pips1 need me for something?
[12:13] <ogra-classmate> we have the space
[12:13] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: ok, so if the sound thing is all that is left I'll do a sync-request bug
[12:13] <pips1> HedgeMage: hi there
[12:13] <HedgeMage> hi pips1
[12:13] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[12:13] <willvdl> HedgeMage, we're discussing the implementation of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-application-review
[12:14] <ogra-classmate> LaserJock: sound removal and python version were our only changes afaik
[12:14] <pips1> we were discussing who and how ... ah, willvdl beat me to it :-)
[12:14] <willvdl> which is essentially a database with some kind of webfrontend where we can vet apps (like winehq)
[12:14] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: there was a 64bit correction, but I think that was done upstream as well
[12:14] <willvdl> and pass them into a process queue to help the MOTUs, ogra and anyone reviewing for main or CDs
[12:15] <willvdl> so...drupal vs python cgi
[12:15] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: "Fix build failure on 64bit archs with python2.5"
[12:15] <ogra-classmate> if we can anyhow make it possible to not have to maintain gcompris separately that would really rock
[12:15] <LaserJock> I think we don't
[12:15] <LaserJock> I just need to verify
[12:15] <ogra-classmate> that should be in debian already
[12:15] <ogra-classmate> but i'm not sure
[12:16] <LaserJock> because I saw in the Debian changelog it looked like to cherrypicked a fix from upstream
[12:16] <LaserJock> I just need to check because MoM had a conflict on that file
[12:16] <LaserJock> ogra-classmate: I'll email you either way ;-)
[12:16] <HedgeMage> willvdl, pips1 Everything you need to do that already exists in Drupal (with a couple of contrib modules) -- I think I saw you two mention single signon though and if you mean the module by that name rather than just the concept, I'd say go about it differently
[12:16] <ogra-classmate> great
[12:17] <ogra-classmate> its a bit odd, the classmate stuff keeps me on feisty
[12:17] <ogra-classmate> i havent seen much gutsy yet
[12:17] <willvdl> HedgeMage, the sign-on thing is probably moot
[12:17] <HedgeMage> Since Drupal allows pluggable authentication schemes, and so much *buntu stuff uses Drupal, has anyone contemplated writing a Drupal module to allow authentication via Launchpad?
[12:17] <HedgeMage> willvdl: oh, how come?


 I had no audio device connected that time but my brother messed something in audio mixer before i opened chrome (re @lynorian: Robin I wonder if that is something is playing audio in different device if you have multiple like an hdmi monitor I would open pulse audio volume control and see what device the other things are playing from)
[04:09] <moon0092> Hi Lubuntu community
[04:10] <moon0092> i installed i3 wm , and its merged with lxqt, both active same time no close button working
[04:10] <moon0092> and this is just lxqt default session
[09:41] <markiian> Hello everybody


[02:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: Thank you.
[02:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: As we are past feature freeze, if I add features to controls can they then go direct to backports? I guess I should be asking what the latest is for bug fixes for 20.10.
[02:17] <OvenWerks> My guess is that I should wait till after we are not really allowed to make any changes.
[02:23] <OvenWerks> except controls is now "outside" of buntu as it's own package and so not tied to release schedules.
[02:24] <OvenWerks> so I may start adding features. There is more than one person who want to be able to set channel count for pulse-jack bridges.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, that's true. BTW, Fedora doesn't have anything called a feature freeze or backports. Everything can get updated by the maintainer, no questions asked.


[01:58] <ogasawara> I'm hoping to get clarification re BetaFreeze on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule ... I assume I should refrain from uploading packages after Thurs Aug 26 in preparation for Beta, correct?
[02:25] <skaet> ogasawara,  unless robbiew agrees otherwise,  yup,  please refrain from uploading packages after Aug 26 (Beta Freeze).
[02:28] <ogasawara> skaet: perfect, thanks.
[06:14] <slangasek> lamont: is hubbard broken?  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/54252536/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-armel.linux-linaro_2.6.35-1003.7_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:14] <slangasek> syntax error at /home/buildd/.sbuildrc line 32, near ")"
[11:25] <lamont> slangasek: actually, yes it was.  sigh.
[11:25]  * lamont does a few retries
[14:51] <ScottK> slangasek: I found a tester for KNR on armel for 10.04.1, so we may get to release that yet.
[14:52] <ogra> ScottK, it is installable ?
[14:52] <highvoltage> ScottK: would that run on a beagleboard?
[14:53] <ogra> ScottK, i thought there are still FTBFS that hold it up
[14:53] <ScottK> highvoltage: It runs on whatever 10.04 runs on.
[14:53] <ogra> oh
[14:53] <ogra> 10.04
[14:53] <ogra> ignore this blind old man :P
[14:53] <ScottK> ogra: Yes.  Maverick is still busted.
[14:54] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, as our ubuntu-netbook images do
[15:23] <slangasek> lamont: ta
[15:23] <slangasek> ScottK: ok, cool.  Any idea of a timeline?
[15:23] <ScottK> slangasek: Hopefully today (FSVO today)
[23:29] <lamont> slangasek: oh hey, say hi to allspice
[23:29] <slangasek> looks like nutmeg to me
[23:29] <lamont> launchpad.net/builders
[23:30] <slangasek> ack :)