[09:02] <jhutchins> dethklok: Try google instead of the bot./
[09:02] <Thehound666> menu.list what directory?
[09:02] <jhutchins> Thehound666: probably /boot
[09:02] <jhutchins> possibly /boot/grub
[09:02] <genjix> any ideas why kubuntu livecd boots up to a kde session here, but on another computer I get black and white screen with:
[09:02] <genjix> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash)
[09:02] <genjix> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
[09:02] <genjix> /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[09:02] <genjix> (initramfs) _
[09:02] <Martiini> jhutchins: locate menu.list
[09:02] <Martiini> in terminal
[09:03] <genjix> ? Its got me stumped and I'm trying to switch away from gentoo :)
[09:03] <AHinMaine> i'm switching away from suse 10.2....   pita....
[09:03] <jhutchins> genjix: Looks like you might have some hardware issues, that looks like single user mode or rescue mode.
[09:03] <firecrotch> it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:03] <Martiini> Thehound666: locate menu.list in terminal
[09:04] <genjix> damn...
[09:04] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: Ok, you're not trying to upgrade, are you?  You're doing a clean install?
[09:04] <jhutchins> genjix: you too?
[09:04] <AHinMaine> yep.  fresh.  repart, refmt...
[09:05] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: Anything in particular you're having trouble with?
[09:05] <AHinMaine> just getting firefox and gaim installed.
[09:05] <AHinMaine> I'm on the repository step from ubuntuguide.org right now.
[09:05] <Thehound666> title		Microsoft Windows XP Professional
[09:05] <Thehound666> root		(hd0,0)
[09:05] <Thehound666> savedefault
[09:05] <Thehound666> makeactive
[09:05] <Thehound666> chainloader	+1
[09:06] <AHinMaine> i'm just wondering if it's missing some gnome crap that might not be installed by default on kubuntu...
[09:06] <Thehound666> what do I want to edit?
[09:06] <jhutchins> Is that the whole file?
[09:06] <Thehound666> no
[09:06] <jhutchins> DON'T PASTE IT!
[09:06] <francesco> test
[09:06] <Thehound666> just the xp entry
[09:06] <jhutchins> paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:07] <gan|y|med> any other ideas about webcam support in (k)ubuntu? is there any programme, preferably as a deb?
[09:07] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: Have you tried kopete and gaim?
[09:07] <firecrotch> Thehound666: Near the top of the file, there should be a line that says "deafult 0" -- just change the 0 to the number of the menu entry that you want to be the default
[09:07] <francesco> gan|y|med : try to install icq for windows with wine?
[09:07] <gan|y|med> gaim doesn't support as far as i know, onle the fork of it. and i don't know anything about kopete, that's why i am asking
[09:08] <jhutchins> francesco: I don't think that's a good idea.
[09:08] <francesco> why?
[09:08] <gan|y|med> francesco: no way! icq is a horrible piece of software
[09:08] <jhutchins> gan|y|med: I didn't ask if you thought it worked, I asked if you'd tried it.
[09:08] <gan|y|med> but thx anyway
[09:08] <Thehound666> 3 correct?
[09:09] <Thehound666> default=0
[09:09] <gan|y|med> no, because before installing i though i'd better ask so that i don't need to install one after the other
[09:09] <jhutchins> Thehound666: How woudl we know?
[09:09] <AHinMaine> i've never laid hands on any debian related distro...   so this is pretty new for me...   i'm only versed in solaris, freebsd, with some redhat and (recently) suse thrown in...
[09:09] <Thehound666> I don't know how I'd know
[09:09] <Thehound666> lol
[09:09] <Thehound666> xp is listed last
[09:09] <jhutchins> Did you see where I asked you to paste it to pastebin?
[09:09] <Thehound666> among 4 options
[09:09] <hund_> how can i configure kubunto to be a gateway to internet?
[09:10] <Thehound666> if it works this time
[09:10] <Thehound666> always accuses me of spamming
[09:10] <jhutchins> hund_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[09:10] <jhutchins> WHoops.
[09:10] <gan|y|med> hund_ search for ip forwarding in google
[09:10] <jhutchins> hund_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[09:10] <jhutchins> hund_: Everything you need to know.
[09:10] <hund_> thanks
[09:10] <gan|y|med> this is better, of course
[09:11] <dethklok> omfg, firefox like totally suck
[09:11] <dethklok> s
[09:11] <jhutchins> Many people have said so.
[09:11] <jhutchins> Usually they don't know what they're doing.
[09:11] <gan|y|med> quiet cold in here...
[09:11] <dethklok> I usually say it dosen't either... but it just keeps crashing and freezing
[09:12] <firecrotch> dethklok: the only time Fx crashes for me is when I go to sites with horrible javascript that gets stuck in a neverending loop
[09:13] <Thehound666> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2658/
[09:13] <Thehound666> took four consecutive pushes to get it through
[09:13] <dethklok> firecrotch, Fx? Never heard it called that before.... But yeah, It seems to crash randomly when I change themes and when I'm on myspace or gmail :-p
[09:14] <elyon225> Hey, guys.  I'm going to attempt to install a web server on this machine.  Doesn't need to serve a LOT of bandwidth, but I would like it to be available all the time.  I'd like to install some sort of content server for a personal blog.  Could someone please point me in the right direction for getting it all setup?  I'm running Kubuntu Edgy.
[09:14] <firecrotch> dethklok: That's the official abbreviation for Firefox :)
[09:15] <jhutchins> Thehound666: So what made you think 3 might be correct?
[09:15] <jhutchins> Thehound666: What migh happen if you are wrong?
[09:15] <Thehound666> it defaults at 0 to boot Kubuntu
[09:15] <Thehound666> so 3 entries down from it is xp
[09:15] <jhutchins> So that gives the impression that it number entries starting at 0.
[09:15] <jhutchins> Thehound666: What would happen if you were wrong?
[09:16] <Thehound666> no idea
[09:16] <firecrotch> elyon225: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP should help :)
[09:16] <jhutchins> I can think of two possibilities:
[09:16] <jhutchins> 1) It boots to something other than XP.
[09:16] <jhutchins> 2) It doesn't boot.
[09:16] <elyon225> firecrotch: Thank you.  Do you have any particular blog software you'd recommend?  I've heard WordPress is good, but it's not free, is it?
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: What do you do if possibility 2 happens?
[09:17] <Thehound666> ok then so how do I be sure?
[09:17] <Thehound666> 2 would be disaster
[09:17] <firecrotch> elyon225: WordPress is free, but I would recommend against it.  I'd write my own :)
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: You reboot.
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: Not really.    What would you recommend for the NON-VB programmer? ;)
[09:17] <jhutchins> Thehound666: You would mount your /boot partition (or /), edit the menu file again, and try again.
[09:18] <Theory> wordpress is free
[09:18] <Theory> at the moment I'm using s9y
[09:18] <Thehound666> is there official word on what number is what?
[09:18] <firecrotch> elyon225: WordPress isn't too bad, it's highly customizable and easy to use.  It's just that there are some problems with it when your blog gets a lot of hits
[09:18] <elyon225> firecrotch: Well, I have about 2 friends, so I think I'll be safe ;)
[09:19] <francesco> <<<--- bye bye
[09:19] <firecrotch> elyon225: Yeah, just don't expect it to hold up if you get dugg or something
[09:19] <jhutchins> Thehound666: see at the top of the file where it says "See: grub(8)"?
[09:19] <AHinMaine> heh, i finally combined the /etc/apt/sources.list with the default as well as the ones from ubuntuguide.org and NOW i'm finally getting somewhere...
[09:19] <firecrotch> Thehound666: You want it set to 4
[09:19] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: You'll find once you get it right it's MUCH better than SuSE's online sources.
[09:20] <jhutchins> firecrotch: No he doesn't.
[09:20] <jhutchins> firecrotch: There is no 4.
[09:20] <firecrotch> He has a total of 5 menu entries
[09:20] <tom_> hello
[09:21] <firecrotch> jhutchins: He has a divider on line 141/142, which counts as an entry :)
[09:21] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Ubuntu, recovery, memtest, XP.
[09:21] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Ah, so he does.
[09:21] <Hard_Wired> I've just installed Edgy AMD64 and Adept has greyed out anything not already installed?
[09:22] <jhutchins> Hm. He's gone anyway.
[09:22] <firecrotch> jhutchins: so did he set it to 3 and try to reboot?
[09:22] <jhutchins> So he'll get memtest86.
[09:22] <jhutchins> Of course, rather than use the rescue CD, he could just use the bootmenu.
[09:22] <AHinMaine> oh brother....  the only .deb version of gaim available is 2.0.0beta3, almost 10 months out of date...
[09:23] <firecrotch> He'll get the divider, which won't boot, so it will fall back to whatever his fallback is stet to
[09:23] <dethklok> !changethemes
[09:23] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[09:23] <jhutchins> AHinMaine: http://www.debuntu.org/gaim-2.0.0beta5-edgy-eft-feisty-fawn
[09:24] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Ah.
[09:24] <AHinMaine> sweet.  thanx man.
[09:24] <jhutchins> lilo uses the actual label for each entry (must be unique).
[09:24] <firecrotch> jhutchins: He doesn't have a fallback entry... so he'll be gone for a while until he figures out how to get into his system
[09:24] <emil> hello
[09:24] <firecrotch> Hello, emil
[09:25] <elyon225> Hey, is it possible to redefine what my mouse buttons do? I have a middle button and two side buttons (that currently do nothing)
[09:25] <dethklok> How do I reinstall something that isn't on apt-get?
[09:25] <jhutchins> firecrotch: Well, he does have a boot menu.  If he can't figure that out...
[09:25] <emil> Can someone help me out a bit
[09:25] <emil> totally new in Kubuntu
[09:25] <jhutchins> elyon225: Yes.  One place is in your xorg.conf file.
[09:25] <firecrotch> jhutchins: Oh, yeah...
[09:26] <elyon225> jhutchins: Okay, I'll look into that.  Thank you.
[09:26] <devilsadvocate> oin #ubunut-in
[09:26] <jhutchins> emil: Pretend we're Vulcans.  We won't respond to idle chatter, but if you ask a direct question we will respond if we have anything to say.
[09:26] <firecrotch> elyon225: You'll need to figure out what code the side buttons send to the system using xev
[09:27] <firecrotch> elyon225: then map those to a specific action
[09:27] <jhutchins> elyon225: I don't think the GUI configuration tools offer much with that.
 do you mean that adept has greyed out everything not already installed?
[09:27] <elyon225> jhutchins: No, I looked at GUI first but didn't see anything.
[09:27] <devilsadvocate> i'm having problems running gtk-apps on kubuntu - non of the text shows up on the menus, buttons, etc
[09:27] <elyon225> firecrotch: Okay, I'll give her a shot.
[09:27] <firecrotch> The GUI sucks for anything other than a normal 2 button mouse
[09:28] <dethklok> Hard_Wired, No, like, its called Upower... and I read how to uninstall it and then reinstall it... but when I got to the step to reinstall the guide then told me "oh yeah, this project has been canceled so you can't reinstall it but here is the respitory"
[09:28] <emil> isnt there an application that can install apps for you,
[09:28] <emil> Like installing FireFox
[09:28] <dethklok> emil, apt-get ?
[09:28] <emil> search for firefox in the app and the just Install
[09:29] <emil> ok, yeah?
[09:29] <emil> I have never used linux before
[09:29] <dethklok> emil, sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:29] <bfdhud> What is a good alternative to audacity?
[09:29] <emil> ok ty
[09:29] <elyon225> Alright...another stupid question.  How do I find out my host name with a konsole?
[09:29] <AHinMaine> type hostname
[09:29] <emil> Couldnt find the installation package
[09:29] <posingaspopular> emil: new ubuntu users, yay!
[09:29] <emil> :)
[09:30] <posingaspopular> it isn't sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox ?
[09:30] <dethklok> emil, sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:30] <emil> and then?
[09:30] <Hard_Wired> I've just installed Edgy and Adept has greyed out everything not already instealled, i can't install anything?!
[09:30] <dethklok> emil, see the # , delete all of them infront of the respitories
[09:30] <elyon225> Hmm... hostname reports a name that MySql says doesn't exist.
[09:30] <jhutchins> emil: Try mozilla-firefox
[09:31] <dethklok> emil, then save and quit and try sudo apt-get install firefox agian
[09:31] <dethklok> dethklok, oh wait, you have to update first
[09:31] <dethklok> emil, so sudo apt-get update
[09:33] <emil> ok ty, updating...
[09:33] <emil> everytime I have to type sudo dhclient eth1 to get my wlan to work, and I can't use WPA either?
[09:34] <elyon225> Hard_Wired: You need to run that as root.  Did you enter your password when starting Adept?
[09:34] <jhutchins> emil: probably depends on what card you have.
[09:34] <emil> intel something... built in, in my laptop
[09:35] <firecrotch> emil: You're using Edgy? I think that it's a known bug in Edgy
[09:35] <dethklok> emil, how new is the laptop?
[09:36] <emil> one year in april
[09:36] <emil> I use the built in Wireless Assistant
[09:36] <dethklok> emil, yeah I don't know if something like that would have WPA, you might want to check with their website
[09:36] <firecrotch> emil: Maybe try KNetworkManager instead
[09:37] <dethklok> emil, and of corse you have to check to make sure you router even supports WPA
[09:38] <DjDarkman> properties_imp.cpp:(.text+0x52a): undefined reference to `libtorrent::torrent_info::~torrent_info()' ,what does this error mean?
[09:39] <vandenoever> hi anyone know a good usb headset for kubuntu edgy?
[09:40] <firecrotch> Does anyone know if Ragnarok Online works with wine?
[09:41] <bfdhud> Anyone willing to help me out with a problem?
[09:41] <firecrotch> bfdhud:  we're all willing to help if we can
[09:42] <bfdhud> I just installed Kubuntu last night, I was using adept installer to install Audacity
[09:43] <bfdhud> but when I launch the program I get an error saying "Error initializing I/O layer"
[09:43] <bfdhud> and nothing works.
[09:44] <bfdhud> Is there a KDE specific alternative to Audacity
[09:46] <firecrotch> bfdhud: not that I know of... I've always used audacity
[09:47] <bfdhud> Any idea what my error means then firecrotch?
[09:47] <bfdhud> I really have no idea how to troubleshoot linux.
[09:47] <emil> Wey got WPA to work =)
[09:47] <emil> with KNetworkManager
[09:48] <firecrotch> bfdhud: it seems to me as if audacity is having trouble using artsd (which is what handles audio input and output)
[09:48] <firecrotch> emil: Congrats :)
[09:48] <robinsw> Been asked a thousand times before probably, so...
[09:49] <robinsw> Can anybody direct me to the wiki page about .deb files?
[09:49] <robinsw> Need to install Skype if I want to shun Windows completely! :)
[09:49] <firecrotch> robinsw: Have you downloaded the .deb file already?
[09:49] <emil> firecrotch: ty
[09:49] <robinsw> Yeah, it's downloaded
[09:49] <robinsw> Just need to install it
[09:49] <emil> and I got FF too =)
[09:49] <firecrotch> emil: yw
[09:50] <firecrotch> robinsw: dpkg -i filename.deb
[09:50] <devilsadvocate> anyone here uses scigraphica on kubunut?
[09:50] <robinsw> Smashing, thanks
[09:50] <robinsw> devilsadvocate, is there a shiny GUI way of doing that?
[09:50] <TopDawg216> question...why is it that when I try to remove any included programs, it says that Kubuntu has to be removed?
[09:50] <bfdhud> Thanks firecrotch]
[09:50] <robinsw> I'm thinking (takes a deep breath) InstallShield? (Ducks as tomatoes fly at him)
[09:50] <devilsadvocate> to do what robinsw
[09:50] <robinsw> To install Debian packages?
[09:50] <robinsw> :)
[09:51] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, double click :D
[09:51] <firecrotch> robinsw: if you right click the deb file, you can choose "Install"
[09:51] <emil> Can I get wow to work from kubuntu?
[09:51] <Rob-West> how can i make Kubuntu see my webcam
[09:51] <robinsw> Ah, thanks
[09:51] <robinsw> BRB
[09:51] <firecrotch> emil: I've heard of people getting WoW to work, search around http://appsdb.winehq.com
[09:52] <Rob-West> !webcams
[09:52] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:52] <firecrotch> emil: sorry, it's http://appdb.winehq.com
[09:52] <emil> hehe ok, well Ill need windows for work so no rush but
[09:52] <jhutchins> robinsw: There's also aptitude.
[09:53] <dethklok> !paste
[09:53] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:53] <TopDawg216> ! remove wvdial
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remove wvdial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <dethklok> Can somebody take a look at this ./configure print out please: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2670/
[09:54] <TopDawg216> damn...figured it would give me a tip that would work on all of the programs I want gone :(
[09:54] <dethklok> TopDawg216, what do you want gone?
[09:54] <firecrotch> dethklok: You need to tell it where X is installed
[09:54] <lupine_85> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[09:54] <lupine_85> so install xlibs-dev
[09:54] <lupine_85> !xlibs-dev
[09:54] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: X Window System client library development files transitional package. In component main, is extra. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[09:55] <lupine_85> or whatever it's transitional for
[09:55] <dethklok> I'm runnind dapper
[09:55] <TopDawg216> Well, there's a lot of extra stuff (got Kubuntu-desktop) that I dont need, and when I try to remove it, it says I have to remove Kubutnu-desktop too
[09:55] <dethklok> running*
[09:55] <lupine_85> doesn't matter
[09:55] <lupine_85> !info xlibs-dev dapper
[09:55] <ubotu> xlibs-dev: X Window System client library development files transitional package. In component main, is extra. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 8 kB, installed size 36 kB
[09:55] <dethklok> TopDawg216, you can usually type sudo apt-get remove *packet name*
[09:55] <jhutchins> TopDawg216: Let it lie for a while, see if you don't end up using it.
[09:55] <firecrotch> TopDawg: You can safely remove Kubuntu-Desktop, since it's not a real package.  Just don't remove it's dependencies
[09:56] <dethklok> lupine_85, how do I tell it where X is?
[09:56] <fairman> Hi, how can i add my public IP adress? (I have local IP adress 10.107.... and i need to use both)
[09:56] <TopDawg216> well as of right now, I'm just testing everything on a dual boot.  Maybe later when I completely switch over I'll just format everything and start with a very basic version
[09:57] <TopDawg216> like kde-core or something
[09:57] <jhutchins> TopDawg216: What kindof stuff are you trying to remvoe.
[09:57] <lupine_85> dethklok: just install the package, re-run configure
[09:57] <TopDawg216> just random stuff that I don't need (there's a lot of things)
[09:57] <jhutchins> TopDawg216: The idea of KDE is that it's a pretty comprehensive software suite, includes a lot of stuff.
[09:57] <dethklok> lupine_85, i have tried, it gives the same thing over and over
[09:58] <firecrotch> TopDawg216: If you have the space, I would keep the stuff.  Never know when you might need it
[09:58] <jhutchins> If you want something stripped down, consider a simpler desktop environment like xfce.
[09:58] <lupine_85> in that case, ./configure --help
[09:58] <TopDawg216> cool
[09:58] <TopDawg216> thanks for all the advice everyone :)
[09:58] <jhutchins> dethklok: which X
[09:59] <jhutchins> In console.
[09:59] <dethklok> jhutchins, Lol, that makes no sense to me... Which X?
[09:59] <jhutchins> dethklok: What are you trying to build?
[10:00] <jhutchins> dethklok: In a console, type "which X" (without the quotes).  Hit return.
[10:00] <dethklok> I'm trying to install new themes... but it just came with a bunch of files that I have to compile I guess...
[10:00] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~/Desktop/asdf/moodin$ which x
[10:00] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~/Desktop/asdf/moodin$
[10:00] <jhutchins> dethklok: Did you read the README and INSTALL files?
[10:00] <firecrotch> dethklok:  you shouldn't have to compile anything to use a new theme...
[10:00] <dethklok> Yep
[10:01] <jhutchins> deth, not x, X.
[10:01] <lupine_85> it's after the X include files. they're in xlibs-dev
[10:01] <dethklok>  /usr/bin/X
[10:01] <emil> What's the default font for FF?
[10:01] <emil> this looks very strange compared to FF in XP
[10:01] <emil> ??
[10:01] <jhutchins> dethklok: "which" will report the path to any executable.
[10:02] <jhutchins> However, as lupine_85 said, it wants the include files (headers).
[10:02] <cntb> emil you add some fonts
[10:02] <dethklok> jhutchins, so try to configure again?
[10:02] <ninHer> hi all
[10:02] <emil> cntb: how?
[10:02] <test34> emil, I like bitstream charter
[10:02] <jhutchins> This is why most people stay away from compiling, you end up having to install a whole development environment.
[10:02] <cntb> wait
[10:02] <firecrotch> emil: it uses the default variable width font on your system
[10:03] <firecrotch> emil: You can change it in your Firefox preferences though
[10:03] <jhutchins> dethklok: If you can find it as a .deb you're better off.
[10:03] <E_mE> hi all...
[10:03] <dethklok> kk
[10:03] <posingaspopular> E_mE: what's good in the hood?
[10:03] <test34> emit: edit - preferences - content
[10:03] <firecrotch> dethklok: Or an RPM if no deb is available
[10:03] <E_mE> Is there a driver or so for 5 button Micosoft mice??
[10:03] <dethklok> Well I'm trying to install the "Moodin Enging"
[10:04] <E_mE> posingaspopular: lots of weed hidden in my hood =P
[10:04] <posingaspopular> E_mE: not the first time ive heard it
[10:04] <emil> firecroth: how and what should I change too, webpages dont look too good...
[10:04] <E_mE> posingaspopular: prob not the last ;)
[10:04] <posingaspopular> emil: did you change the resolution? did you use any skins or extenstions on FF? etc
[10:05] <firecrotch> E_mE: I've never been able to get my Microsucks 5 button mouse to work properly
[10:05] <E_mE> :(
[10:05] <dethklok> ACCIDENT!!!
[10:05] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ sudo rm -rf /usr/bin/X
[10:05] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$ which X
[10:05] <dethklok> tehpwn@tuxbox:~$
[10:05] <firecrotch> E_mE: I haven't tried to get it working lately though
[10:06] <E_mE> firecrotch: ill go and browse around
[10:06] <firecrotch> emil: In firefox... Edit -> Preferences -> Content
[10:06] <dethklok> umm?
[10:06] <dethklok> help?
[10:07] <firecrotch> dethklok: You didn't really do that, did you? I hope not
[10:07] <maa> what do you need ??
[10:07] <jhutchins> E_mE: The regular microsoft driver should work, you may need to enable extra buttons in xorg.conf
[10:07] <cntb> emil look for msttffonts package
[10:07] <dethklok> firecrotch, yeah I really did........ I pushed Shift+Insert because I was trying to paste in the path to the files on my desktop
[10:08] <robinsw> Anybody else found that Skype with Windows works fine, but the microphone input on Linux is very very low?
[10:08] <firecrotch> dethklok: got a backup?
[10:08] <robinsw> Is there a mic boost option at all?
[10:08] <dethklok> nope
[10:08] <emil> cntb: where do I find it?
[10:08] <dethklok> firecrotch, nope
[10:08] <jhutchins> dethklok: You're probably going to need to reinstall xorg then.
[10:08] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, that would depend on your audio card, i believe
[10:08] <dethklok> jhutchins, can i apt-get that?
[10:09] <emil> posingaspopular: I have the right resolution and stuff
[10:09] <robinsw> devilsadvocate, that makes sense.
[10:09] <robinsw> Thanks, buddy.
[10:09] <cntb> emil try google in the meantime looking for it in help.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <firecrotch> dethklok:  You can, but first you'll have to uninstall it
[10:09] <posingaspopular> emil: can you post a screenshot?
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[10:09] <emil> sure...
[10:09] <jhutchins> dethklok: It probably won't apt-get because it's already installed.
[10:09] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, i have a mic boost option, as do i have a whole bunch of controls i have no idea what use are of :P
[10:10] <dethklok> E: Couldn't find package xorg
[10:10] <jhutchins> dethklok: I don't know enough about apt/deb yet to tell you how to force it.  You might need to download the package that has /usr/bin/X in it and force install it with dpkg.
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> guys, if my localized ubuntu repo server (pl.archive.ubuntu.com) is down, and I *need* to install something, can I simply replace pl.archive.ubuntu.com with, say, en.archive.ubuntu.com in the sources.list file and go on?
[10:10] <dethklok> jhutchins, yeah that makes no sense to me at all
[10:10] <firecrotch> !tell me about xorg
[10:10] <cntb> emil also try http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[10:10] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: You just need to recreate the xorg.conf file from scratch? You can use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[10:10] <cntb> !ttf
[10:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ttf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:11] <jhutchins> DeadFishMan: He deleted /usr/bin/X.
[10:11] <cntb> !fonts
[10:11] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[10:11] <jhutchins> dethklok: Are you running dapper or edgy?
[10:11] <dethklok> dapper
[10:11] <DeadFishMan> jhutchins: Ouch!
[10:11] <eisma> how do i fix this: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[10:11] <cntb> emil there you go
[10:11] <jhutchins> Ok, you need to get someone who's also running dapper to email you /usr/bin/X.
[10:11] <cntb> !fonts |emil
[10:11] <ubotu> emil: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[10:11] <hund_> can anyone help me configuring internal network?
[10:11] <firecrotch> eisma: run dpkg --configure -a ?
[10:12] <DeadFishMan> eisma: Did you try to simply run: dpkg --configure -a ?
[10:12] <jhutchins> eisma: you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[10:12] <eisma> yes..
[10:12] <eisma> i did that
[10:12] <dethklok> jhutchins, seems like edgy is more popular anyways... should i just download that iso and install that?
[10:12] <eisma> and it's downloading flash from a website but doesn't do anything
[10:12] <cntb> emil sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[10:12] <hund_> i need help configuring kubuntu to let an internal network pc acess to the internet
[10:13] <cntb> also emil sudo apt-get install gsfonts
[10:13] <jhutchins> dethklok: Well, yeah.  People have had problems when they upgraded instead of doing a clean install, but you could do that.
[10:13] <HymnToLife> hund_, please be mlore precide, what kind of internet connection do you have ?
[10:13] <cntb> and emil sudo apt-get install gsfonts-x11
[10:13] <HymnToLife> more*
[10:13] <jhutchins> dethklok: Tell you what, there should be a /usr/bin/X on the Dapper CD.
[10:13] <dethklok> jhutchins, Yeah I mean a complete reinstall
[10:13] <dethklok> jhutchins, I did the Ship-It... does that help?
[10:14] <jhutchins> dethklok: Not unless you feel like the whole system is messed up.
[10:14] <hund_> i have an adsl connection. and i also have a lan.
[10:14] <firecrotch> jhutchins: I would have never thought of doing that
[10:14] <jhutchins> hund_: Didn't I give you the IP MASQ HOWTO earlier?
[10:14] <hund_> indeed
[10:14] <HymnToLife> hund_, do you have a router ? If so, you just need to configure your Ethernet interface
[10:14] <hund_> but i am a begginer
[10:14] <dethklok> jhutchins, well, kinda, there are a lot of things that I have messed up... like boot screen and network problems... (cuz im such a huge noob i guess)
[10:14] <hund_> no i don't have any router
[10:15] <jhutchins> dethklok: Experience is proportional to data destroyed.
[10:15] <hund_> that guide was quite confuse for me
[10:15] <jhutchins> hund_: You want the ubuntu box to be a router for you.
[10:15] <HymnToLife> Oh, right; you want to do an ICS
[10:15] <hund_> yes
[10:15] <robinsw> Damn! Skypecasts aren't supported with Linux.
[10:15] <robinsw> Christ on a big bike.
[10:15] <HymnToLife> there's a wiki page about it, you can use Firestarter
[10:15] <dethklok> jhutchins, well I have learned to not just randomly push Shift+Insert randomly...
[10:15] <firecrotch> dethklok: You can take the easy way out and reinstall, or try to fix everything
[10:15] <jhutchins> Shorewall will probably set it up too.
[10:16] <matteo> HEY ALL
[10:16] <jhutchins> (Oops, that's another all-console approach.)
[10:16] <dethklok> firecrotch, I like the easy way... (not linux lol)
[10:16] <hund_> when i ping from the other box everything is ok but when i try to acess the internet i can't
[10:16] <firecrotch> dethklok: But you don't learn anything doing it the easy way
[10:16] <jhutchins> With great power comes great responsibility.
[10:16] <robinsw> firecrotch, that's my mantra too! :)
[10:16] <dethklok> What does that file do anyways?
[10:16] <dethklok> xorg.conf
[10:16] <dethklok> or w/e
[10:16] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: You mean X?
[10:17] <jhutchins> hund_: Can you ping an external IP?
[10:17] <dethklok> DeadFishMan, sure.. what ever I deleted
[10:17] <da[MAGE] > Hi to all
[10:17] <DeadFishMan> !xorg.conf | dethklok
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <firecrotch> dethklok: It's all of the settings for displaying stuff, and interfacing with your mouse/keyboard/etc
[10:17] <hund_> let me check
[10:17] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: X is the Graphical User Interface of Linux
[10:17] <dethklok> firecrotch, Then how come I'm still using the computer just fine?
[10:17] <firecrotch> dethklok: The file is still in RAM until you restart
[10:18] <jhutchins> dethklok: Your best bet is to mount the shipit CD and see if you can find /usr/bin/X.
[10:18] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: Without it you will be left with just a command line to use
[10:18] <firecrotch> It only gets reloaded when you restart X
[10:18] <DeadFishMan> dethklok: Try to follow jhutchins advice.... That might work!
[10:18] <dethklok> OIC, well I would have no freaking idea what to do in the command line... lol
[10:18] <dethklok> Ok, will do
[10:18] <jhutchins> Many fine things have been done from the command line.
[10:18] <posingaspopular> emil: any progress?
[10:19] <hund_> no i can't ping any external ip
[10:19] <Gimmy> sera
[10:19] <da[MAGE] > eila
[10:19] <firecrotch> dethklok: I had no idea how to use the command line either until I was forced to do it
[10:19] <DeadFishMan> Actually, I am using BitchX on a GNU Screen session as we speak... :)
[10:20] <dethklok> Crap, It figures.. once I really need the cd i cant find it.. lll
[10:20] <dethklok> lol*
[10:20] <Gimmy> i want to install beryl on kubuntu edgy
[10:20] <DeadFishMan> On the other session, I have wget downloading Etch ISO files
[10:20] <dethklok> Oh! never mind I got it!
[10:20] <hund_> no i can't ping any external ip...
[10:20] <firecrotch> Gimmy: And?
[10:21] <firecrotch> Gimmy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy should help.
[10:21] <Gimmy> and i have an english layout for the keyboard
[10:21] <jhutchins> hund_: What have you done so far?
[10:21] <Gimmy> *i-m italian...(
[10:21] <hund_> i've set the ip on both boxes
[10:21] <hund_> one to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:22] <hund_> and other to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:22] <dethklok> jhutchins, firecrotch, DeadFishMan, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2675/
[10:22] <firecrotch> Gimmy: Do you have Beryl actually installed?
[10:22] <Gimmy> mmm
[10:22] <hund_> and set up the dns server
[10:22] <Gimmy> i don-t know
[10:22] <jhutchins> hund_: You need to set IP Forwarding ON, and you need to set up IPTABLES rules.
[10:23] <Gimmy> up to five minut ago
[10:23] <jhutchins> hund_: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[10:23] <hund_> nd how do i do that?
[10:23] <Gimmy> i view an icon of beryl near clock
[10:23] <hund_> thnkx i'll take a look
[10:23] <dethklok> Umm, What am I supposed to do? :'(
[10:24] <firecrotch> Gimmy: Okay, you have it installed.
[10:24] <Gimmy> but
[10:24] <markelhas> hi, need some tips with my network
[10:24] <Gimmy> now i don-t view that icon
[10:24] <jhutchins> hund_: That tells you how in 8 steps.
[10:24] <Gimmy> i have only the emerald theme manager
[10:24] <hund_> ok
[10:24] <markelhas> everytime that i turn off my machine and start again, i have problems of in my network
[10:25] <dethklok> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2675/
[10:25] <markelhas> i've static ip on my eth0
[10:25] <markelhas> i can ping my privet ip, but can ping the router gw
[10:25] <DeadFishMan> brb
[10:26] <jhutchins> dethklok: find /media/hdd/bin -name X
[10:26] <markelhas> i've to start firewall and network wizard couple of times to get network working
[10:26] <Livedifferent> Hello! I am something of a noob. Would anyone be able to answer a question regarding dual booting?
[10:26] <markelhas> how can i solve this
[10:26] <markelhas> ?
[10:27] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, go on
[10:27] <jhutchins> markelhas: If you're on an internal network you shouldn't need the firewall.
[10:27] <dethklok> jhutchins, do I type that in the command line?
[10:27] <robinsw> Guys -- Got a USB hard drive, but Kubuntu won't let me write to it. How do I open it up for full access?
[10:27] <jhutchins> dethklok: Try it.
[10:27] <dethklok> jhutchins, no print back
[10:27] <tsdgeos> robinsw: ntfs formated?
[10:27] <robinsw> Fraid so
[10:27] <Livedifferent> What would be the best way to dual boot/partition an OEM'd Windows box with Ubuntu?
[10:27] <tsdgeos> !ntfs
[10:27] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:27] <robinsw> !ntfs
[10:27] <markelhas> jhutchins: i'm on a internal network
[10:27] <robinsw> !fuse
[10:27] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[10:27] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, what OEM is it, and how is your partitioning like?
[10:28] <cntb> Livedifferent: dual boot very common issue
[10:28] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, it isnt as unsafe as ubotu makes it out to be :P
[10:28] <Livedifferent> This is hypothetical, since I own a Mac now
[10:28] <markelhas> jhutchins: but only when i start firestart and shutdown that works
[10:28] <Livedifferent> But it would probably be OEM'd with XP Pro
[10:28] <Livedifferent> ANd have only one partition on an 80GB HD
[10:28] <markelhas> jhutchins: i don't want any firewall
[10:28] <markelhas> jhutchins: because slow down my p2p clients
[10:28] <firecrotch> Livedifferent: actually it might have one of those pesky hidden recovery paritions
[10:28] <jhutchins> markelhas: How did you end up with firestart?
[10:28] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, best bet will be to wipe one partition and replace with ext3fs. if its a single partitoin you have, then resize the biggest after a defrag
[10:29] <markelhas> jhutchins: i've click stop, then exit
[10:29] <cntb> Livedifferent: first off get gparted liveCD
[10:29] <jhutchins> I think the installer will repartition a windows drive - not sure about ntfs.
[10:29] <cntb> shrink big partition
[10:29] <Livedifferent> Sorry, noob alert. What's ext3fs? Some sort of file system?
[10:29] <robinsw> Instead of using Fuse, can I convert from NTFS to a linux format?
[10:29] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: Yes.
[10:29] <jhutchins> Linux filesysetem.
[10:29] <robinsw> Got 320GB of stuff on there, you see.
[10:29] <Livedifferent> Thanks
[10:29] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, i would suggest partition magic if we need to tell you what ext3fs is :)
[10:29] <firecrotch> Livedifferent: Yes, it's the default filesystem for most Linux distros
[10:29] <cntb> Livedifferent: yes filesystem FS
[10:30] <Livedifferent> So I can get a liveCD which will partition it after wiping the windows partition?
[10:30] <jhutchins> Doesn't the installer repartition?
[10:30] <Livedifferent> I don't know, I've owned a Mac since OS X
[10:30] <robinsw> Instead of using Fuse, can I convert from NTFS to a linux format?
[10:30] <Livedifferent> And I haven't tried Ubuntu on it
[10:30] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, you dont need to wipe the windows partition, although that would make it a lot easier
[10:30] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: You shouldn't have to wipe the windows partition, although that might be easier.
[10:30] <da[MAGE] > hey guys does any one know a better looking bootloader than grub?
[10:30] <devilsadvocate> robinsw, not without losing data
[10:30] <hund_> how do i get to a root terminal?
[10:31] <robinsw> Crap
[10:31] <robinsw> :-/
[10:31] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : You can configure GRUB to look how you want it
[10:31] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: There are linux tools that will shrink the windows partition and make a new linux partition.
[10:31] <Hirvinen> robinsw: No. You'll have to store it somewhere else during the reformat.
[10:31] <devilsadvocate> da[MAGE] , grub is beautiful :)
[10:31] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: Most of the installers will offer to do that.
[10:31] <da[MAGE] > tnx fire..
[10:31] <robinsw> Gotcha
[10:31] <robinsw> Thanks
[10:31] <da[MAGE] > do u have links?
[10:31] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: It's always a good idea to have a backup though.
[10:31] <Livedifferent> Devils/jhutchins: Will Ubuntu's installer do that?
[10:31] <jhutchins> !sudo | hund_
[10:31] <ubotu> hund_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:31] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/
[10:31] <cntb> Livedifferent: first off get gparted liveCD
[10:31] <TopDawg216> so I've looked into it and the programs I want to delete are all games
[10:32] <da[MAGE] > tnx....if that dont work ill google it<,9
[10:32] <cntb> gparted
[10:32] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, wipe windows partition ? yeah
[10:32] <TopDawg216> so I would just do apt-get remove <gamename>
[10:32] <da[MAGE] > ;)
[10:32] <TopDawg216> correct?
[10:32] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: cntb is telling you how to get a tool to do it manually.
[10:32] <cntb> !gparted
[10:32] <ubotu> gparted is gparted is a GUI partitioning program, "sudo apt-get install gparted", also available as a live cd http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[10:32] <Livedifferent> Okay
[10:32] <markelhas> jhutchins: should y finish in another way?
[10:32] <firecrotch> TopDawg216: Yes, that should work
[10:32] <devilsadvocate> Livedifferent, although since you want to dual boot, first install windows first and keep free space for the linux, then use the linux live cd to finish the job
[10:32] <alexmic> Hi all, anyone managed to setup a gnunetd?
[10:32] <jhutchins> markelhas: I don't know why you have firestart installed to begin with.  Why not uninstall it?
[10:32] <Alex`> just a question .......... how can i login as root ? i had a link where it was explained something about modifying a file but i don't remember it :|
[10:33] <Livedifferent> cntb: So with gparted liveCD I can shrink the Windows partition?
[10:33] <jhutchins> !sudo | Alex`
[10:33] <hund_> jhutchins in the tutorial it says to type all the commands in a root terminal, DO NOT use sudo....
[10:33] <ubotu> Alex`: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:33] <firecrotch> Alex`: You don't.
[10:33] <cntb> Livedifferent: yep
[10:33] <jhutchins> hund_: Ah.
[10:33] <Alex`> i did
[10:33] <markelhas> jhutchins: and my p2p clients will work normaly?
[10:33] <Alex`> the last time
[10:33] <robinsw> If I plug in an external USB2 hard drive whilst Linux is already running, how can I force Linux to detect it?
[10:33] <markelhas> jhutchins: torrent and emule?
[10:33] <jhutchins> hund_: ubuntu is trying to change that, but use sudo -i.
[10:33] <alexmic> Alex`: sudo passwd root
[10:33] <Livedifferent> Thanks all! I appreciate it. I'm just getting my feet wet with Linux now.
[10:33] <firecrotch> robinsw: It should detect it automatically
[10:34] <devilsadvocate> hund_, to get a root terminal first enable root : "sudo passwd root" and then type "su" in a terminal
[10:34] <cntb> Livedifferent: be patient it works perfectly wait when in doubt it is stuck
[10:34] <firecrotch> devilsadvocate: no no no
[10:34] <Gimmy> ok
[10:34] <devilsadvocate> hund_, this is not usually recommended unless you know exactly what you are doing
[10:34] <Gimmy> i have beryl
[10:34] <Gimmy> but my windows decorator
[10:34] <Alex`> alexmic i wanna login as root ...... i did it the last time i installed kubuntu but i don't remember the file ....... i'll just search
[10:34] <Gimmy> is failed
[10:34] <firecrotch> root terminal: sudo /bin/bsh
[10:34] <jhutchins> Livedifferent: Most installers will do a reasonably safe job of repartitioning for you these days.  You might want to google "dual boot linux" and read up a bit.
[10:34] <HymnToLife> Alex`, sudo -i will give you a root shell
[10:35] <jhutchins> firecrotch: sudo -i
[10:35] <Alex`> not enough :P
[10:35] <HymnToLife> (please don't do sudo bash, nor sudo -s)
[10:35] <firecrotch> HymnToLife: Why is sudo bash bad?
[10:35] <HymnToLife> you want to login as root GRAPHICALLY ?
[10:35] <alexmic> Alex`:  you run sudo passwd root, you enter a password for the root accound and then you can log in root
[10:35] <HymnToLife> that seems like a _very_ bad idea
[10:36] <jhutchins> for what hund_ is doing sudo -i will work fine.
[10:36] <HymnToLife> firecrotch, man sudo could have told you that sudo -i simulates an initial login instead of just running the shell executable as root
[10:36] <HymnToLife> thus setting the environment variables coorectly
[10:36] <alexmic> But I can only support HymnToLife that login in X as root is a bad idea
[10:36] <Alex`>  kdmrc i edit this file and it enables me to login as root ........ remembered it :D thanks anyway
[10:37] <TopDawg216> how do I find the location of the GNOME game pack?
[10:37] <jhutchins> Alex`: There are good reasons that's disabled by default...
[10:37] <Gimmy> can you help me_
[10:37] <Alex`> well i kinda don't care about reasons ........ i do it for other stuff
[10:37] <vge> !ask
[10:37] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:37] <Alex`> :P
[10:37] <sfpavel> is there a photoshop version for kubuntu? if there is where can i get it?
[10:37] <Gimmy> firecrotch: can you help me?
[10:37] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Only if you tell us what the problem is.
[10:37] <HymnToLife> sfpavel, no
[10:37] <Gimmy> ok
[10:37] <robinsw_> Sorry, connection died
[10:37] <Alex`> sfpavel gimp
[10:37] <jhutchins> sfpavel: Have a look at The Gimp.
[10:38] <Gimmy> beryl run
[10:38] <markelhas> jhutchins: if i remove the firewall should i config anything to use p2p clients?
[10:38] <HymnToLife> if you feel adventurous, you can try to run it in !wine
[10:38] <TopDawg216> sfpavel:  Photoshop is not available for Kubuntu...try Gimp though
[10:38] <TopDawg216> ^^
[10:38] <Gimmy> but window decorator crash
[10:38] <Gimmy> i have kubuntu edgy
[10:38] <sfpavel> what about flash?
[10:38] <cntb> TopDawg216: sudo apt-cache search game
[10:38] <TopDawg216> awesome...thanks :)
[10:38] <Alex`> sfpavel run adept and search for flash
[10:39] <robinsw_> Can anybody tell me how to reformat an NTFS ext harddrive to the Linux FS?
[10:39] <firecrotch> Gimmy: I've never had problems with the window manager crashing, so I really can't be of much help
[10:39] <sfpavel> thnx guys
[10:39] <cntb> TopDawg216: sudo apt-get install gnome-games
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> robinsw_, mkext2fs -j /dev/hdb1
[10:40] <HymnToLife> robinsw_, mkfs is a nice command-line tool to do it. If you want a graphical interface, use gparted
[10:40] <jhutchins> cntb: What would be the command to find the package name?
[10:40] <Gimmy> mmm
[10:40] <robinsw_> Thanks, guys
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> assuming hdb1 is the partition you want to reformat
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> you will loose all data
[10:40] <cntb> sudo apt-cache search game jhutchins ?
[10:40] <devilsadvocate> mke2fs robinsw_
[10:41] <da[MAGE] > can one upgrade from from ubuntu 6.06 to edgy?
[10:41] <da[MAGE] > without reinstalling everything
[10:41] <DjDarkman> can someone give me a howto that fully covers compiling a kernel with ubuntu patches?
[10:41] <HymnToLife> !edgy | da[MAGE]
[10:41] <ubotu> da[MAGE] : Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[10:41] <jhutchins> da[MAGE] : Yes, but you should be aware that the people who have had problems with edgy have mostly been people who upgraded.
[10:42] <cntb> da[MAGE] : still dont know an easy path to dapper edgy upgrade
[10:42] <HymnToLife> agreed, I definitely recommend doing a fresh install of Edgy
[10:42] <da[MAGE] > tnx ppl
[10:42] <jhutchins> Not everybody has problems.
[10:42] <firecrotch> I had no problem upgrading from Dapper :)
[10:43] <devilsadvocate> da[MAGE] , you can upgrade , unless you ave some exotic installs, maybe even something like compiz or graphics drivers
[10:43] <cntb> firecrotch: pls tell us about upgrading to edgy
[10:43] <dethklok> is ktorrent any good, or should I get something better?
[10:43] <chavo> dethklok, ktorrent works great
[10:43] <dethklok> chavo kk
[10:43] <firecrotch> cntb: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade worked just fine for me
[10:44] <cox377> my kubuntu has started to feel very sluggish.. i've got an 7gb hdd and i';ve used 5gb but i've got nothing really on the machine.. i've run apt-get clean.. is there any other commands for cleaning the system?
[10:44] <dethklok> firecrotch, should I do that?
[10:44] <firecrotch> dethklok: If you have your system messed up currently, it will still be messed up after upgrading with dist-upgrade
[10:44] <firecrotch> Probably worse
[10:44] <dethklok> firecrotch, OIC, guess not then
[10:44] <cox377> !system clean
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system clean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <dethklok> firecrotch, so it wont fix my X problem :(
[10:45] <cox377> !clean
[10:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clean - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <jhutchins> dethklok: I'd say the best bet was to go ahead and do a clean install of Edgy.
[10:46] <firecrotch> dethklok: I agree with jhutchins
[10:46] <robinsw_> gparted is formatting the drive now... thanks everybody!
[10:46] <jhutchins> dethklok: If you want to fix Dapper, boot to the dapper CD.  You'll have /usr/bin/X, copy that to /usr/bin on the hard drive.
[10:46] <dethklok> jhutchins, Yeah, I just started the DL on the PC downstairs... (it's wired)
[10:46] <cox377> anyone know about cleaning?
[10:47] <jhutchins> cox377: Don't mix bleach and amonia.
[10:47] <firecrotch> cox377:  Like with a vacuum or a broom and dustpan?
[10:47] <jhutchins> cox377: Be careful not to overspin fans when using compressed air?
[10:47] <cox377> lol
[10:47] <dethklok> jhutchins, so can i do: cp /hdd/bin /usr/bin
[10:47] <cox377> how about system clean
[10:47] <jhutchins> dethklok: No.
[10:47] <cox377> remove some of the 5gb that i have no idea what it's used on
[10:48] <jhutchins> dethklok: if /hdd/bin/X exists, you can cp /hdd/bin/X /usr/bin
[10:48] <firecrotch> cox377: If you have no idea what the stuff is, best to leave it alone
[10:48] <cox377> firecrotch: yeh but 5gb or nothing is  alot
[10:48] <dethklok> jhutchins, yeah there is no /hdd/cin/X
[10:48] <cox377> firecrotch: there must be a system clean function?
[10:48] <dethklok> bin*
[10:48] <jhutchins> cox377: You can clear /tmp, /var/tmp, and probably there's a cache for apt you can clean.
[10:49] <jhutchins> cox377: By default, linux runs a pretty clean system.
[10:49] <jhutchins> 5gb is a pretty reasonable install.
[10:49] <cox377> jhutchins: so just delete the contents of those folders?
[10:49] <jhutchins> You can delete /usr/share/doc if you're that kind of person.
[10:50] <jhutchins> cox377: It's probably better to selectively uninstall packages you don't (think) you need.
[10:50] <cox377> jhutchins: what does 5gb go on.. i mean a browser / media / few other apps
[10:50] <cntb> cox377: virgin XP takes almost 7.5 GB
[10:50] <Alex`> bye all ....... rebooting :D
[10:50] <cox377> cntb: never in a day mate
[10:51] <jhutchins> I've got 7.6G with a pretty full install and some user data.
[10:51] <firecrotch> cox377: Any programs that you _don't_ use can be removed
[10:51] <cox377> cntb: 2gb max.. i'm just wondering where the space has gone because it never used to be that much.. say 3gb max
[10:51] <cox377> firecrotch: whats the best way to list installed applications?
[10:52] <jhutchins> cox377: I've got an old RH firewall with no gui in 913M
[10:52] <cox377> firecrotch: smoothwall : P
[10:52] <jhutchins> Oh, no, that's actually 1.6G.
[10:53] <jhutchins> cox377: I'm sure there's a way to do it from the command line, but if you launch Aptitude it will show you what's installed.
[10:53] <firecrotch> cox377: Adept will list everything that you have installed
[10:53] <jhutchins> Er, adept.
[10:53] <pedroBR> tem alguem do brasil a?
[10:54] <firecrotch> !br | pedroBR
[10:54] <ubotu> pedroBR: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[10:54] <TopDawg216> exit
[10:55] <Gimmy> hey
[10:55] <Gimmy> then
[10:55] <da[MAGE] > I just started using ubuntu as my first linux distro....did I make a good choice?
[10:55] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : It's excellent for beginners
[10:55] <Gimmy> i have beryl and i select the windows manager kde
[10:56] <Gimmy> if i select compiz or beryl
[10:56] <Gimmy> crash
[10:56] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Yup.  Bleeding edge software.
[10:56] <da[MAGE] > excellent..but do other ones give u something -some more gears than ubuntu..or do even pros keep using it?
[10:56] <jhutchins> da[MAGE] : It's quite extensible, and since it's based on debian you can get very advanced with it.
[10:56] <Gimmy> jhutchins: i don-t understand
[10:56] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : It's all a matter of personal preference for those who are experienced
[10:56] <jhutchins> Gimmy: That stuff's unstable and doesn't always work.
[10:57] <Gimmy> there-s a solution_
[10:57] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Maybe.
[10:57] <jhutchins> Gimmy: Given enough time spent deep enough in the code, I'm sure there is.
[10:57] <Snoose> hello everyone, i'm looking for a web page i ran across earlier and can't seem to find again.
[10:57] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : I've used other distros (Gentoo, Slackware, SUSE) and have always come back to Kubuntu
[10:58] <robinsw_> !xvid
[10:58] <jhutchins> da[MAGE] : It's not my personal first choice, but that's not because it can't do what I want it to.
[10:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:58] <da[MAGE] > cool...tnx firecrotch;)
[10:58] <Snoose> it said how to get multiple programs to use the same dial-up conn. at the same time.  anyone know where it is?
[10:58] <robinsw_> Wow, that ubotu really knows his stuff! XD
[10:58] <jhutchins> Snoose: Um, usually they do that by default.
[10:58] <firecrotch> da[MAGE] : I'll admit though that it's because I don't like fussing with things if I don't have to
[10:59] <jhutchins> Snoose: If you have a ppp connection, it just looks like a network adapter to the system, and they all use it.
[10:59] <da[MAGE] > k
[10:59] <firecrotch> robinsw_: Don't forget to feed it! :)
[10:59] <firecrotch> !botsnack
[10:59] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:59] <dethklok> jhutchins, So as long as I keep my computer on, it's fine? lol
[10:59] <Snoose> they don't though... if i'm in firefox my downloads in apt stop and vice versa
[10:59] <jhutchins> dethklok: Well, you don't want to end your session.
[11:00] <jhutchins> Snoose: It may be that they just slow way down, is that possible?
[11:00] <dwidmann> Snoose, dialup connections aren't too good at multi-tasking
[11:00] <jhutchins> They should continue when yrou pages are done loading.
[11:00] <firecrotch> Snoose: You can always try decreasing Firefox's maxconnections
[11:00] <Snoose> i'm winxp they slow down but still works fine
[11:00] <jhutchins> I've run three PC's through one dial-up connection at about 19,200 baud.
[11:01] <Snoose> im linux one just stops
[11:01] <dwidmann> come to think of things, dialup connections aren't good at many things at all
[11:01] <firecrotch> dwidmann: So true.  Maybe for email?
[11:01] <dwidmann> They also never cease to annoy me
[11:01] <dethklok> They are good if you don't wanna get hacked... Lol
[11:01] <dwidmann> they're good at that
[11:02] <Snoose> i have no alternative choice so i have to live with dial-up
[11:02] <jhutchins> Snoose: I'd recommend doing less over the connection at once.
[11:02] <robinsw_> Ah, the directions for installing the codecs aren't working.
[11:02] <jhutchins> Do your apt installations when you're not browsing.
[11:02] <da[MAGE] > dial up is sad.
[11:02] <robinsw_> Says that it can't find the packages, even though I've enabled all the repositories
[11:02] <Snoose> but i want to browse the net while downloading packages
[11:02] <dwidmann> do the apt installations overnight if you can help it, it's less painful that way.
[11:03] <jhutchins> dethklok: Actually, if you reboot, you'll be stuck with a command line interface, which might do you some good <grin>.
[11:03] <dethklok> jhutchins, NOOOOOOO!
[11:04] <jhutchins> 90% of what I do I can do from a command line via ssh.
[11:04] <jhutchins> Including editing photos.
[11:04] <dethklok> Lol, no way?
[11:04] <robinsw_> Can anybody help me playing Restricted Formats? The directions given in the wiki tell me that a package couldn't be found, even though I have all the repositories enabled.
[11:04] <jhutchins> You betcha.
[11:04] <jamrs> jhutchins: editing photos?
[11:04] <jhutchins> Yep.
[11:04] <dwidmann> imagemagick?
[11:04] <dethklok> Like resize them? Or more advanced than that?
[11:04] <jhutchins> Yes sir.
[11:04] <Snoose> firecrotch: how do i decrease firefox's maxconnections?
[11:05] <jhutchins> dethklok: I usually don't go much beyond resizing.
[11:05] <emil>  cant find the MS fonts
[11:05] <jhutchins> dethklok: It's very possible though.
[11:05] <jamrs> jhutchins: lol how much further could you go
[11:05] <dethklok> jhutchins, thats awesome
[11:05] <emil> package msttcorefonts not available
[11:05] <jhutchins> jamrs: I can crop, do some color adjustment, but I'm a real piker.
[11:06] <jhutchins> You can do amazing stuff with IM.
[11:06] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, cli purist eh ? :)
[11:06] <cntb> !repos
[11:06] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:06] <dethklok> When I was messing with gentoo a while back I recall the built in web browser, that was kind of impressive
[11:06] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Lapsed.
[11:06] <cntb> !repos |emil
[11:06] <ubotu> emil: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:06] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: About three years ago I bought enough hardware to finally run KDE at decent speed, and I get softer every week.
[11:07] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: I've started using fish and konquer instead of scp...
[11:07] <dethklok> !scp
[11:07] <ubotu> SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[11:07] <jhutchins> s/konquer/konqueror.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> fish?
[11:07] <jhutchins> scp as a filesystem.
[11:08] <jhutchins><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:08] <dethklok> Does anybody remember who it was that helped me with my wireless?
[11:09] <jhutchins> !fish | BluesKaj
[11:09] <ubotu> fish: a friendly interactive shell. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.21.12-1 (edgy), package size 631 kB, installed size 2560 kB
[11:09] <BluesKaj> cool
[11:10] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I'll check that out
[11:10] <emil> cntb I've done it but it can't find it
[11:10] <dethklok> So whats the easiest disto? Maybe if I had one that easier to start out on then I wouldn't mess so much up...
[11:11] <emil> says that it refers to other packages
[11:11] <BluesKaj> hope I'm not getting "fished in"
[11:11] <jhutchins> dethklok: Probably FC6 running gnome.
[11:11] <dwidmann> dethklok, different people will argue that age-old question to the death
[11:11] <dethklok> Fedora Core?
[11:12] <jhutchins> dethklok: The thing is you've tried to mess with stuff and do advanced things you weren't ready to do.
[11:12] <dethklok> jhutchins, Really, I don't think I have done to many things that were 'advanced'... except compiling
[11:13] <dethklok> jhutchins, getting wireless to work was a bit*h but its done now :-p
[11:13] <jhutchins> dethklok: Exactly what I'm talking about. You stepped right outside the system there.
[11:14] <jhutchins> I mean, nothing wrong with learning about that.
[11:14] <makuseru> what do i need to open a .rtf?
[11:14] <moparisthebest> I have windows installed on one harddrive and linux installed on another, is there a way to get grub to allow me to choose bewtween the 2?
[11:14] <dethklok> jhutchins, I guess I just need somewhere to start... Kubuntu isn't the place?
[11:14] <jhutchins> It's just easier not to mess up if you stick with what's built in to the system.
[11:14] <dwidmann> makuseru: try openoffice or koffice
[11:14] <jhutchins> dethklok: I think it's a pretty good place to start.
[11:15] <makuseru> dwidmann: anything small? i dont want to get somthing as big as OO
[11:15] <jhutchins> dethklok: You're always going to hit things like printers and wireless cards and video that isn't as well supported as it is in Windows, but you can work around it, that's the point.
[11:15] <dethklok> jhutchins, that was kinda my goal in switching over.. to be able to do everything i do in windows, in linux...
[11:16] <jhutchins> makuseru: You can use a plain text editor - kate, vim, pico.
[11:16] <makuseru> kate will open it?
[11:16] <firecrotch> dethklok: you can
[11:16] <dethklok> (ipod, wireless, internet surfing, music)
[11:16] <jhutchins> makuseru: it should, but it will probably ignore the markup.
[11:16] <dwidmann> makuseru, for rtf, you need a rich text editor, kate won't do it for you, I don't think so anyway
[11:16] <dethklok> firecrotch, oh i know i will be able to some day.. but i guess not currently
[11:16] <dwidmann> kword is a pretty good choice though
[11:17] <makuseru> yes, it did
[11:17] <jhutchins> dethklok: I have an ipod shuffle, works fine with amarok.
[11:17] <emil> can someone say app that work as a dock like in OSX
[11:17] <makuseru> it was giving me a choice to open, so i fougured kate and kwrite wouldnt do it
[11:17] <mindspin> !codecs
[11:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:17] <jhutchins> dethklok: I have a wireless card that's supported by linux drivers.
[11:17] <dethklok> jhutchins, i havent really put much time into the ipod thing yet
[11:17] <firecrotch> dethklok: I have an iPod video which works fine, too
[11:17] <verve> why's #kubuntu and #ubuntu actually separate? i don't get it, heh
[11:17] <verve> anyways
[11:18] <dwidmann> They're not really seperate .... in a sesne
[11:18] <makuseru> emil: cooldock, kxdocker, kiba dock
[11:18] <moparisthebest> can someone tell me where the grub configuration file is located?
[11:18] <jhutchins> verve: kubuntu allows us to focus on stuff that's particular to the kde version.
[11:18] <johann> moparis....... /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:18] <verve> word
[11:18] <moparisthebest> thanks
[11:18] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: You can: locate menu.lst in console.
[11:18] <verve> any ideas how to get KDE Crypto to accept an expired SSL cert?
[11:18] <adamwest> hye
[11:18] <adamwest> hey
[11:18] <moparisthebest> I didnt know what it was called either jhutchins, but I have it now :)
[11:18] <emil> ok thx
[11:19] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: man grub might have told you.
[11:19] <makuseru> has anyone heard about Ubuntu Studio yet?
[11:19] <jhutchins> makuseru: Yes, but that's about all.
[11:20] <firecrotch> !Ubuntu Studio
[11:20] <ubotu> ubuntustudio is a site is for the musician who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation, at  http://www.ubuntustudio.com. Or visit  #ubuntu-studio
[11:20] <makuseru> i didnt know their was an IRC room for it
[11:20] <firecrotch> Neither did I :)
[11:20] <makuseru> i cant wait for it to launch
[11:20] <emil> how do I get rid of all pop-ups when I hover a "button" in the application bar?
[11:21] <emil> ?
[11:22] <jhutchins> emil: Right click, configure panel, Appearance, show tooltips.  (uncheck it)
[11:22] <robinsw_> Is there a front-end for WINE? Just installed WINE from the package manager
[11:23] <firecrotch> robinsw_: there's winecfg for configuring it
[11:23] <robinsw_> Thanks
[11:23] <cntb> is beryl for edgy only ? not for dapper ?
[11:23] <firecrotch> other than that, to run windows programs, you just use "wine /path/to/program.exe"
[11:23] <jhutchins> robinsw_: Look under More Applications/Emulators
[11:23] <verve> so is installing kubuntu-desktop and all related packages, from a normal Ubuntu install, the same as installing from the Kubuntu LiveCD?
[11:24] <jhutchins> verve: Pretty much.
[11:24] <firecrotch> verve: not exactly
[11:24] <jhutchins> verve: You'll have access to all the gnome stuff too.
[11:24] <verve> i love two different opinions side by side
[11:24] <verve> haha
[11:24] <jhutchins> cntb: Beryl is really for feisty more than edgy.
[11:24] <firecrotch> verve: and it will still use gdm
[11:25] <jhutchins> verve: It'll also use some other gnome components which a kubuntu install wouldn't.
[11:25] <cntb> jhutchins: dapper on this machine
[11:25] <verve> can that be gotten rid of?
[11:25] <verve> (i switched to KDM, btw)
[11:25] <unix_infidel> anyone here running ubuntu on an ibook
[11:25] <cntb> so much for LTS long term support
[11:25] <jhutchins> verve: Yeah, I believe you can uninstall gnome-desktop.
[11:26] <jhutchins> cntb: LTS doesn't include cutting edge no-use-but-amusement window managers.
[11:26] <jhutchins> cntb: Beryl just BARELY works with the absolute latest related packages, recent hardware, and a good bit of luck.
[11:26] <robinsw_> Anybody ever tried using Dreamweaver on WINE?
[11:27] <cntb> beryl may be a good rival to vista candies - 1
[11:27] <jhutchins> cntb: If it ever gets stable, it might be possible to backport it.
[11:27] <unix_infidel> robinsw_: it works fine.
[11:27] <jhutchins> cntb: It might not.
[11:27] <dwidmann> the zoom and one of the other plugins were actually useful though jhutchins
[11:27] <dwidmann> expose I think it was?
[11:27] <cntb> some of Beryl tricks can increase productivity - 2
[11:27] <sfpavel> how do i configure a FTP server ?
[11:27] <jhutchins> cntb: Yes, it might give you Vista-like eye candy, but you can't expect that on dapper any more than you can on XP, or 98.
[11:27] <jhutchins> dwidmann: There are tools that will do that within kde.
[11:28] <dwidmann> do tell
[11:28] <sfpavel> all i need is a link 2 a good tutorial pls
[11:28] <robinsw_> Faaaantastic!
[11:29] <robinsw_> Why was I using Windows?!
[11:29] <cntb> BTW XP can have those xcandies easilyif MS wanted
[11:29] <cntb> sorry offtopic
[11:29] <jhutchins> sfpavel: First thing you should know is that running an FTP server is the best way in the world to get hacked.
[11:29] <jhutchins> sfpavel: Better than unprotected windows.
[11:29] <dwidmann> robinsw, I haven't, but quanta+ is pretty good :)
[11:29] <moparisthebest> in grub's menu.lst kubuntu has listed: root		(hd0,0)
[11:30] <robinsw_> Is there a keyboard shortcut to bring up the Run dialog?
[11:30] <moparisthebest> but the harddrive it is listed as in qtparted is sda
[11:30] <sfpavel> even if i have certificates and crypted passwords?
[11:30] <robinsw_> I keep hitting Windows key + R XD
[11:30] <dwidmann> alt +f2
[11:30] <robinsw_> Great, thanks
[11:30] <moparisthebest> so how do I know what my other harddrives are named?
[11:30] <sfpavel> i want one bcuz i need stuff from my PC while i'm not at home
[11:30] <jhutchins> sfpavel: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/FTP.html
[11:30] <sfpavel> thanx
[11:30] <cntb> robin dwidmann alt +f2
[11:30] <jhutchins> sfpavel: FTP passes passwords in plaintext.
[11:30] <sfpavel> what security program do you recomand?
[11:30] <cntb> robinsw_:
[11:31] <jhutchins> I recommend running public ftp servers chrooted.
[11:31] <dwidmann> sfpavel: I recommend common sense
[11:31] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to setup a PAN between my computer and my bluetooth enabled phone. I have them connected, but I'm wondering how I can determine the phone's IP address in reference to the computer?
[11:31] <jhutchins> When possible I eliminate ftp and use only scp.
[11:32] <dwidmann> Hmm, indeed, the chroot or a virtual machine
[11:32] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: they have both a bios id (0,0, etc) and a dev name (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc.)
[11:33] <jhutchins> Usually you'll be referring to them as /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc.
[11:33] <moparisthebest> how would I get the bios id to put in grub then jhutchins ?
[11:33] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: ide is /dev/hda, /dev/hdb.
[11:33] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: What partition are you looking for?
[11:33] <moparisthebest> grub refers to sda as hd0
[11:33] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Usually the installer does this correctly.
[11:33] <moparisthebest> I need sdb
[11:33] <xtoxico> !Xgl
[11:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:34] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Most likely that would be hd1,0
[11:34] <moparisthebest> I tried that and it didnt work :/
[11:34] <jhutchins> the secondary number is the partition number, starting at 0.
[11:34] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: fdisk -l
[11:34] <garryb> !help
[11:34] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[11:34] <jhutchins> Which is your linux disk?
[11:35] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: You want a partition, not just a disk.
[11:35] <Tonren> OK, what's a good, simple, lightweight WYSIWYG editor for HTML documents?
[11:35] <HymnToLife> !nvu
[11:35] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[11:35] <Gimmy> jhutchins: what-s the composite manager?
[11:35] <moparisthebest> there is only one partition on the disk jhutchins
[11:35] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: so you want sda1 or sdb1?
[11:35] <moparisthebest> fdisk -l does nothing
[11:35] <moparisthebest> sdb1
[11:35] <garryb> !tell help to garryb
[11:35] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Really?
[11:35] <HymnToLife> moparisthebest, you need to run it with sudo
[11:35] <moparisthebest> sda1 is hd0,0
[11:35] <xtoxico> !eclipse
[11:35] <ubotu> eclipse: Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 412 kB
[11:36] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: I would think that would be hd1,0.
[11:36] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: Try sdb1
[11:36] <moparisthebest> ok, Ill try it
[11:36] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: SATA?
[11:36] <moparisthebest> yes SATA
[11:36] <moparisthebest> Ill be back after the reboot
[11:36] <jhutchins> Ah.  Trouble, especially if you have IDE as well.
[11:37] <jhutchins> mopar watch the boot screen carefully, it may tell you something useful when the BIOS loads.
[11:38] <ravermeister> hello i have got a problem. i made an update of kde from kde3.5.4 to 3.5.5
[11:39] <ravermeister> and now when i try to login, nothing happens until i restart x and type username and password again
[11:39] <ravermeister> anybody knows this problem? using kubuntu dapper
[11:40] <dwidmann> ravermeister: I've never heard of that problem before
[11:41] <ravermeister> is there a possibility to say kdm he should re write his config files
[11:41] <ravermeister> it appears just after the update
[11:41] <Tonren> Anyone?  Good WYSIWYG KDE HTML editor?
[11:41] <Tonren> That was a mouthful
[11:41] <emil> anyone used KxDocker?
[11:41] <dwidmann> tonren: quanta+
[11:41] <Tonren> dwidmann: thanks
[11:42] <kkerwin> Hi. I'm trying to setup a PAN between my computer and my bluetooth enabled phone. I have them connected, but I'm wondering how I can determine the phone's IP address in reference to the computer?
[11:43] <kkerwin> If not, could someone point me to a bluez support channel. #bluez seems to be quiet, and I'm not sure if it's the right channel.
[11:43] <ravermeister> could there be something in the log files?
[11:43] <kkerwin> emil: Yes.
[11:43] <ravermeister> if yes which one
[11:45] <xtoxico> !KxDocker
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about KxDocker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <Jucato> !kxdocker
[11:45] <ravermeister> nobody an idea :(
[11:45] <ubotu> kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[11:46] <verve> Linux rinzai 2.6.17-10-386 #2 Tue Dec 5 22:26:18 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:46] <verve> sorry, didn't mean to post that, heh
[11:46] <emil> How do I use it
[11:46] <emil> I start kxdocker but I dont see it when it's loaded
[11:47] <moparisthebest> Is there a reason that when I boot up my desktop looks like Im using 256-bit color, then I hit ctrl-alt-backspace and everything goes back to normal?
[11:47] <Nuked> emil I cant even get it to start
[11:47] <emil> ?
[11:47] <Nuked> emil:  kxdocker refuses to start for me
[11:47] <emil> mine says loading application...
[11:48] <emil> then it disappears from the application bar
[11:48] <emil> so it doesnt start for me either
[11:49] <Nuked> emil I believe the package is broken
[11:49] <Nuked> emil try running it in a terminal and pastebin the output
[11:51] <emil> how do I do that?
[11:51] <Nuked> !pastebin
[11:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:51] <robinsw_> Is there a task manager app installed with Kubuntu?
[11:51] <robinsw_> Need to kill a process
[11:51] <moparisthebest> jhutchins, I found exactly what I needed: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_boot_into_Windows_installed_on_a_seperate_SATA_drive
[11:52] <Nuked> well you can get a list of running progs by using ps ax in a terminal
[11:52] <Nuked> and using kill -9 "process id"
[11:52] <robinsw_> Great
[11:52] <robinsw_> Thanks
[11:53] <robinsw_> Worked perfect :)
[11:53] <Nuked> glad to have been able to help
[11:56] <zorknod> anyone up for a NIC car question?
[11:57] <emil> any other bar than kxdocker for kubuntu?
[11:57] <Nuked> emil there is gnome-dock
[11:57] <Nuked> or if you have beryl kiba-dock
[11:59] <claudio_> hi
[12:00] <robinsw_> Any idea why my download speeds seem to be a fraction of what they were with Windows?
[12:00] <emil> Kubuntu running KDE?
[12:01] <Kyral> ....no ****
[12:01] <emil> can I download themes and style from http://www.kde-look.org and use them?
[12:01] <emil> ^
[12:01] <verve> question: if i'm running Ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed, would i benefit from removing all the Gnome stuff?
[12:01] <emil> ^^
[12:01] <verve> or is it a good idea to just leave it?
[12:01] <Theory> verve: it's taking up disk space, but probably nothing else
[12:03] <robinsw_> Does Linux run a defrag itself or will I need to sort this out?
[12:03] <Kyral> robinsw_: The Linux Filesystems don't need defraging
[12:03] <Kyral> ever
[12:04] <claudio_> somebody know knetworkmanager a i need help
[12:05] <Kyral> robinsw_: Most of the usable filesystems on Unix based OSs take care of themselves. If they detect errors they will fix them the first chance they get
[12:06] <Kyral> robinsw_: FAT32 is the exeception
[12:06] <robinsw_> Ah, gotcha
[12:06] <robinsw_> Thanks
[12:06] <robinsw_> Does Linux not have the problem of throwing everything onto a drive in any place it can, then?
[12:07] <Kyral> robinsw_: I don't know exactly how they do it, but most of them have the concept of a "Journal"
[12:07] <Kyral> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
[12:13] <guiye> hol
[12:13] <guiye> xD


[03:24] <espacious> im installing gos on an old lappy whick filesystem should i select?
[04:35] <espacious> what a hell happened to ndiswrapper i was using TEW424 usb adapter for wireless
[04:35] <espacious> but since i upgraded/renstalled to new version my pc freezes when try to connect
[04:35] <espacious> to my ruter
[04:35] <espacious> i need to hard reboot
[04:35] <espacious> i fonund out 128bit WEP works ok but not WPA.
[04:35] <espacious> somebody?
[07:47] <espacious> which ndiswrapper was in 7.10
[07:53] <Hobbsee> espacious: gutsy?  ndiswrapper | 1.43-1ubuntu2 |         gutsy | source
[07:53] <espacious> ?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> espacious: that's your answer?
[07:54] <espacious> hmm.
[07:55] <espacious> u asid 1.43 was the version?
[07:55] <espacious> im asking i have no answers.
[07:55] <Hobbsee> I did.  I gave you the answer.
[07:56] <espacious> yes i see. thanks
[07:56] <espacious> i found out
[07:56] <espacious> i hope it helps
[07:56] <espacious> as my pc freezes when i connect to wirless
[07:57] <Hobbsee> oh, and support in #ubuntu please.
[07:57] <Hobbsee> Please see the /topic
[07:57] <espacious> ok.
[12:12] <davmor2> Has anyone tried to burn a video project in brasero?
[12:50] <asac> seb128: do you know whether gnome mailing lists have a general issue? my mails take ~12h to get through there
[12:50] <asac> and so do the responses afaict
[13:05] <seb128> asac: other people were complaining yesterday that @gnome.org email had some latency but dunno why
[13:05] <asac> seb128: ok. isnt that hosted by us?
[13:05] <seb128> asac: I don't think so, we host the svn I think which works fine, I think the mail server are at redhat, not sure thouh
[13:06] <davmor2> guys I'm still having issues with this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/253367
[13:06] <asac> seb128: ok thanks
[13:06]  * asac back to holiday
[13:07] <seb128> asac: enjoy ;-)
[13:11] <crevette> seb128, there is an huge backlog of mails I think
[13:11] <crevette> there was 33k this morning, and now it is 24k
[13:12] <seb128> crevette: if there is a backlog that's due to something not keeping up with incoming messages usually
[13:14] <crevette> I'm just transfering info for the topic of #gnome-hackers
[13:29] <asac> crevette: thanks. so they have either a spam flood or other issues ;)
[14:27] <Ng> evolution is supposed to get authentication details for things like calendars from gnome-keyring, right?
[14:28] <Ng> I just configured my google calendar in it (in intrepid) it never asks me for a password. run from a terminal with debug output it says it was unable to load the calendar because authentication is required
[14:31] <Ng> bleh, nuked gconf:/apps/evolution and ~/.evolution and set it up from scratch and it's working
[14:37] <Keybuk> did you use the Google backend or WebCal?
[14:51]  * Laney stabs Intrepid's gnome-terminal
[14:58]  * cody-somerville stabs Laney by mistake.
[14:58] <tedg> cody-somerville: Did you get a chance to run that GPM and make sure the power button works on Xubuntu?
[14:59] <tedg> I don't want to push it if it breaks XSMP.
[14:59] <cody-somerville> tedg, I didn't check back to see if it had built
[14:59] <cody-somerville> tedg, whats the bug # with the test case?
[15:00] <tedg> cody-somerville: LP: #252795
[15:01] <tedg> bug 252795
[15:01]  * tedg wonders why the changelog and IRC syntax are different...
[15:02] <tedg> cody-somerville: The test case is to set it to "Ask Me" when the power button is pressed, and press it :)
[15:03] <cody-somerville> tedg, I'll test this if you do me a favour
[15:03] <cody-somerville> tedg, Can you modify the desktop file for g-p-m to show in Xfce4 as well as gnome?
[15:04] <tedg> cody-somerville: It's set to show in "XFCE" -- does it need to be different?
[15:05] <cody-somerville> hmm... let me investigate.
[15:05] <tedg> cody-somerville: Wait, the gnome-power-preferences.desktop
[15:05] <tedg> that one isn't XFCE
[15:05] <cody-somerville> ah :)
[15:06] <tedg> cody-somerville: So they all should be "OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;"  correct?
[15:07] <cody-somerville> Please.
[15:15] <tedg> cody-somerville: ~ppa3 when it builds should have the new desktop files.
[17:52] <cody-somerville> tedg, I'm going to test it now
[17:55] <tedg> cody-somerville: \o/
[19:45] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[19:46] <DGMurdockIII> is this where i would ask about getting a networkcard to be detected bu ubunto
[19:46] <DGMurdockIII> network card


[00:00] <barry> hello everyone and welcome to this week's asiapac launchpad reviewers meeting
[00:00] <barry> who's here today?
[00:00] <jamesh> I'm here
[00:02] <barry> thumper: ping?
[00:02] <barry> wow, okay, i guess we can make this short :)
[00:02] <thumper> here
[00:02] <barry> == Agenda ==
[00:02] <barry>  * Roll call
[00:02] <barry>  * Next meeting
[00:02] <barry>  * Action items
[00:02] <barry>  * Barry's participation in Asia``Pac meetings
[00:02] <barry>  * Queue status
[00:02] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[00:02] <barry>  * Review process changes
[00:02] <barry>    * Tool update
[00:02] <thumper> jml is heading over to spiv's
[00:03] <barry> wife's got dinner ready so we don't need to wait :)
[00:03] <barry>  * Next meeting
[00:04] <barry> i won't be able to make this time for the next 2 weeks (see email to ml), but please do carry on until i'm back
[00:04] <thumper> I'm happy with the time change requested in email
[00:04] <barry> thumper: excellent
[00:04] <barry> thumper: maybe you can lead the next 2 meetings @ whatever time you guys want?
[00:04] <thumper> barry: ok
[00:04] <barry> thumper: and i'll join back at 0300tuesday on 05-feb
[00:04] <barry> thumper: thanks!
[00:05] <barry>  * Action items
[00:05] <barry> from last time at ameu:  * intellectronica to work on a cover letter template
[00:05] <barry> i think that's still outstanding, but low priority
[00:05] <barry> any previous action items that you guys can think of?
[00:06] <barry> 5..4..3..2..1
[00:06] <jamesh> not that I recall -- the last meeting was fairly low-key
[00:06] <barry> jamesh: cool, thanks
[00:06] <barry>  * Barry's participation in Asia``Pac meetings
[00:06] <barry> jamesh: is the proposed time good with you?  0300 tuesdays?
[00:06] <barry> 0300 utc tuesdays
[00:07] <jamesh> barry: sure.  That's midday rather than 9am
[00:07] <jamesh> (not that 9am is too bad :)
[00:07] <barry> great.  i think the only person who it's worse for is jtv, but i don't know how often he attends the asiapac meetings
[00:07] <barry> jamesh: :)
[00:08] <barry> if one of you gets a chance, could you just ping jml and spiv and make sure they're cool with it?  and let me know?
[00:08] <thumper> sure
[00:08] <barry> thumper: thanks
[00:08] <barry>  * Queue status
[00:09] <barry> looks like 5 branches in needs-review over sla
[00:09] <barry> but the general queue looks good (i assigned 2 at the end of my shift today)
[00:10] <barry> jamesh: what's up with adeuring's branch?  it's huge
[00:10] <jamesh> barry: I think it is missing a Depends: ...-step1
[00:11] <barry> so not as bad as it looks? ;)
[00:11] <jamesh> I'll try adding that
[00:12] <barry> i'll try to ping the other guys about the other branches and see where we are
[00:12]  * thumper nods
[00:12] <barry> any thoughts from you guys on the current queue?
[00:12] <thumper> mpt's branch
[00:12] <thumper> why red?
[00:12]  * Rinchen laughs "It's huge".   "I remember when 36,764 lines was huge"
[00:13] <barry> Rinchen: wait until 200 lines is huge :)
[00:13] <thumper> 36kloc is huge
[00:13] <barry> 36klocs is EVIL
[00:13] <jamesh> it is smaller than the soyuz merge ...
[00:13] <barry> thumper: perhaps it's a typo in the url
[00:13] <jamesh> I think that was around 60k
[00:13]  * Rinchen laughs. James read Rinchen's thoughts.
[00:14] <barry> just wait 'til the storm branch :)
[00:14] <barry> anyway...
[00:14] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[00:15] <barry> i sent a message to the lp list calling for new reviewers.  i haven't gotten any responses yet <sniff>
[00:15] <thumper> maybe they all feel too busy already
[00:15]  * Rinchen wonders if it's time to start Gavin and Graham's review training.
[00:15] <barry> thumper: why should that stop anybody? :)
[00:15] <thumper> Gavin who?
[00:16] <thumper> sorry
[00:16] <thumper> brain freeze
[00:16] <barry> Rinchen: gmb is currently being mentored, but he's probably ready for graduation soon i'd think
[00:16] <barry> allenap, yes definitely
[00:16]  * thumper thinks mainly in nicks
[00:16] <Rinchen> barry, oh thanks. I don't have him reporting hours. I'll fix the template!
[00:17] <barry> Rinchen: maybe you can make some, er, inquiries and i'll do the same
[00:17]  * barry is no longer mentoring anyone
[00:17] <barry> so really it's just gmb and jtv being mentored right now
[00:17] <Rinchen> barry, yes, I'll chat with Bjorn on Thursday. Another reviewer on bugs would be good so they can achieve the state foundations is in
[00:17] <barry> Rinchen: great, thanks!
[00:18] <barry> anything else on this topic?
[00:18] <barry> 5
[00:18] <barry> 4
[00:18] <barry> 3
[00:18] <barry> 2
[00:18] <barry> 1
[00:18] <barry>  * Review process changes
[00:18] <barry>    * Tool update
[00:19] <barry> i think there's not much progress on this until mwh settles into his new environs
[00:19] <barry> so really, that's all i've got today.  anything from you guys?
[00:20] <thumper> no
[00:20] <barry> okay then!  i'm going to get some dinner
[00:20] <barry> MEETING ENDS
[00:20] <barry> thanks guys.  talk to you later
[22:24] <Rinchen> hello MootBot :-)
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[22:39] <Seeker`> dont flood the bot quite so much :P
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