[00:27] <elky> Cue every concern troll on earth signing up.
[00:27] <jpds> Hi.
[00:50] <gnomefreak> i thought a catalyst is for someone wanting to be freenode staff
[00:51] <tonyyarusso> elky: Nobody said we'd approve them :)
[00:51] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: That's also true, but we're supposed to do that in our channels as well.
[00:51] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: oh ok makes sense
[00:52] <gnomefreak> who assigns the mentor to user_a or what not
[00:55] <gnomefreak> ok thought i just read a mentor will be given to a probation op
[00:57] <elky> tonyyarusso, yeah, but nobody also said they had a magic wand to wave around and make the administrivia go away, either.
[00:58] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: mentor stuff I have no idea about - maybe the IRCC people will handle that.
[00:59] <elky> so yeah, congrats on the IRCC for inviting a whole lot of noise with the occasional blue moon of signal that you'd see anyway if you were on irc rather than arguing with the launchpad groups interface.
[00:59] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: i guess your not IRCC? werent you at one time?
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> It's more functional than our (lack of) system we had before.
[01:00] <tonyyarusso> If you don't want to deal with it, don't be on the IRCC :P
[01:18] <elky> tonyyarusso, I vehemently disagree. We had a system before. Saying we didn't doesn't make it so.
[01:20] <elky> The system was thus; You participate in the channels. If you show the interaction skills we desire, we ask if you want to be an op. If you feel the need to ask to be an op before you've participated enough to be noticed, then you're likely misunderstanding what an op is and will hence make a crappy op.
[01:21] <nhandler> elky: There are several issues with that. For one thing, asking to be an OP does not mean you misunderstand what being an OP is about or that you haven't participated enough.
[01:21] <elky> nhandler, read the /whole/ sentence please.
[01:21] <nhandler> Yes, I notice the word "likely"
[01:22] <elky> specifically "before you've participated enough to be noticed,"
[01:23] <nhandler> elky: But you also have to keep in mind that we are growing. It is not possible to observe what is going on in every Ubuntu channel every minute of every day. Also, a lot of key catalyzation will/should/can take place privately
[01:23]  * gnomefreak likes the comment on the blog being an op is not fun. we have fun every no and than
[01:24] <elky> nhandler, If you're not participating in a channel until you get ops based on op work elsewhere, then there's something wrong.
[01:24] <elky> nhandler, that's what I call being powerhungry
[01:25] <elky> It's the equivalent of me saying I'm not going to contribute packaging until I'm a core dev.
[01:25] <gnomefreak> someone saying they would make a good op because they preticipated i dont think they understand *fully* what we do/deal with/ect.. but some do
[01:27] <nhandler> elky: No. It is more like a Debian Developer wanting to help out more in Ubuntu (where we need the help) by applying to become an Ubuntu Developer
[01:28] <gnomefreak> that does seem kind of backwards
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> elky: we had a *way*, but it was far from a system.
[01:29] <nhandler> And the IRCC will be looking for people who appear to only be applying to be able to say that they are an OP in #ubuntu. Just because they apply does not mean they are accepted
[01:29] <elky> tonyyarusso, red tape doesn't make it a system, it makes it a bureaucracy
[01:29] <elky> nhandler, that's beyond ridiculous. DD's are perfectly capable of taking the same road as everyone else.
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> We spent like two years talking about how our staffing of channels was insufficient and broken.  I'm glad we've finally started to address that.
[01:30] <elky> tonyyarusso, this isn't /why/ our staffing is insufficient. our staffing is insufficient because the people who would make the best ops tell us to shove the invite because of how awful they see us be treated. True Story.
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> We've lost more people due to our internal problems than ones stemming from users.
[01:32] <elky> Not really.
[01:34] <elky> In saying that you're totally missing the actual cause of the internal problems.
[01:37] <elky> Feel free to try cite an internal problem that wasn't triggered by a user messing with external influences.
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> triggered by a user doesn't make it because of a user.
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> Without users, we don't even talk, aside from showing bad pictures of mneptok and mocking mc44.
[01:47] <elky> tonyyarusso, you'r missing the point.
[01:47] <tonyyarusso> No, I just think the point is incorrect.
[01:49] <elky> If it is, then you should have no problem adhering to the specific request.
[03:42]  * mneptok feels the love
[04:28] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNC0kIzM1Fo
[05:09] <bazhang> going to remove vvvhackervvv as he has had numerous warnings already
[05:44] <ryaxnb7> hi all
[05:44] <bazhang> hi
[05:44] <ryaxnb7> what happened to vvhackervv?
[05:44] <ryaxnb7> this is very confusing :(
[05:44] <bazhang> ryaxnb7, anything we can help you with?
[05:45] <ryaxnb7> well that, but since you're not helping with that
[05:45] <ryaxnb7> than no
[05:45] <ryaxnb7> so cya i guess?
 where can I find somebody to ask about how to organize a release party?
[06:03] <bazhang> any ideas ^^
[06:33] <jussi01> bazhang: perhaps #ubuntu-locoteams ?
[06:33] <jussi01> heh
[06:33] <jussi01> already there
[06:33] <bazhang> jussi01, okay thanks, he's an ubuntu member I happened to notice
[06:33] <bazhang> alright
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[10:18] <topyli> thanks for fixing the factoid tonyyarusso
[10:27] <jussi01> !lart
[10:27] <jussi01> !lart is <reply>LART has been disabled in this bot.
[10:28] <jussi01> feel free to revise that, Im failing to be creative atm.
[10:30] <Tm_T> .äå~~yt5~
[10:50] <jrib> Tm_T: what is it Lassie!?  Is jimmy in the well?
[11:15] <Tm_T> jrib: daughter has learnt to sit to chair and try write and click something so she could see pics of babies
[11:51] <jussi01> isnt it funny how the ops call can quiet some people down...
[11:52] <bazhang> yep
[11:52] <Tm_T> authoritaa!
[11:52]  * Tm_T hides
[11:52] <bazhang> odd who called it; considering he is trolling ##windows
[11:53] <bazhang> now in -ot
[11:53] <Tm_T> shame I has no powah there
[11:54] <Tm_T> actually maybe that's a good thing considering my current rare hours
[12:07]  * jussi01 is watching somewhat, feel free to ping me if needed
[12:07] <bazhang> ok
[16:01] <Myrtti> I hope to gods byprens doesn't find his way to -women
[20:43] <Myrtti> there was a complaint about lara016xx in #freenode. The pm was apparently just an email address, but keep an eye anyway.
[23:02] <Tyler-James> what do you need
[23:02] <Tyler-James> Flannel what do you need
[23:03] <Flannel> Tyler-James: I don't care if china isn't censoring you.  You can't be rude/obnoxious/racist/whatever.
[23:03] <Tyler-James> was i?
[23:03] <Tyler-James> Oh thats just how we tlk where i come from
[23:03] <Tyler-James> sorry bout dat
[23:04] <Tyler-James> Flannel i guess i will find another channel that allows me to ask if there are niggers in the room. See I am not allowed to talk to niggers. My mom gets mad when i do so i have to ask if there are any first
[23:04] <Tyler-James> My parents are strict
[23:05] <Flannel> Tyler-James: That's your choice.    I was just curious how situations similar to Tyler's was dealt with.
[23:13] <ZykoticK9> I'll get out of your hair - thanks to all the OPs for your hard work.
[23:14] <Myrtti> ok, could someone remove the ban I set on tylerplack1, I'm havbing serius issues with my connection and this is beyon painful
[23:15] <Myrtti> he clais he'snot the smae troll
[23:15] <jpds> he wut.
[23:16] <jpds> OH claims.
[23:16] <Myrtti> *isgh*
[23:16] <Myrtti> dyes
[23:16] <jpds> Myrtti: How is he aware that there was a troll before?
[23:17] <Myrtti> god I haet irssi sometimes
[23:18] <Myrtti> brb, reconnecing
[23:19] <Myrtti> lolwhat
[23:20] <Myrtti> Imma ready to cry, this hotel connection is so lowsy at times
[23:20] <Myrtti> keep an eye on him tho
[23:21] <Myrtti> I'm not 100% convinced, but I'm giving a benefit of the doubt
[23:34] <kkathman> Myrti I would have helped, but I only have op-privs in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[23:34] <kkathman> Not much happens there tho, thank goodness.


[20:09] <CarlFK> xnox: fun fact: my ansible  home ~ problem was not different OS/systemd things but different ansible versions.
[20:10] <CarlFK>  # This is a hack and should be solved by more intelligent handling of remote_tmp in 2.7  https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/lib/ansible/plugins/action/__init__.py#L335
[20:10] <CarlFK> there may still be some undesirable behavior in ansible, but I don't care.