[05:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning
[06:42] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ? pas plus malade ?
[06:46] <didrocks> hey pitti, plus malade ! et toi ? tu as pu rentrer ? ça semblait difficile…
[06:47] <pitti> didrocks: oui, j'étais en retard un jour; deux vols ont été annulé, mais mon vrai vol était bien
[06:48] <pitti> didrocks: j'ai pris un jour de vacance hier pour me reposer
[06:49] <didrocks> pitti: tu as bien eu raison ! :)
[06:49] <didrocks> pitti: comment est Austin ?
[06:55] <pitti> didrocks: en fait c'était bon ! cette fois on a été au milieu de ville; beaucoup de bars, restaurants etc. près d'hôtel
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: jeudi on a vu "V for Vendetta" -- c'était le vrai jour, 5 novembre
[06:58] <pitti> et courir à rive de Colorado est bien aussi, j'ai y couru deux fois
[06:58] <pitti> les autres matins il y avait du brouillard, on ne peux rien voir
[06:59] <pitti> ("on ne peux voir rien" ?)
[06:59] <didrocks> cool que vous ayez eu un sprint à un endroit sympa :)
[06:59] <pitti> err, "on ne peux pas voir rien"?
[06:59] <didrocks> "on ne peut rien voir"
[06:59] <pitti> ah, prèsque :)
[06:59] <didrocks> oui, presque :-)
[07:00] <pitti> uh, "près de.." vs "presque", sans l'accent?
[07:00] <didrocks> es -> "èss" en terme de son
[07:00] <didrocks> donc oui, pas d'accent
[07:01] <didrocks> for "près", you don't pronounce the final "s", I guess that's why you need the accent for the "è" sound
[08:12] <larsu> good morning!
[08:13] <didrocks> morning larsu :)
[08:13] <larsu> hi didrocks :) How are you?
[08:13] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:14] <Trevinho> Hi larsu, didrocks!
[08:14] <didrocks> hey hey Trevinho!
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: good, thanks! how are you?
[08:14] <larsu> morning Trevinho!
[08:14] <larsu> didrocks: good thanks!
[08:15]  * larsu goes to get some breakfast
[08:30] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:36] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[08:36] <pitti> hey larsu!
[08:36] <pitti> morning Trevinho
[08:37] <pitti> it's good to be back :)
[08:41] <seb128> salut pitti, ça va bien, et toi ?
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, tu as réussi à rentrer en Allemagne ?
[08:42] <seb128> I read your g+ post about your rebooked flight cancelled as well
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: oui, j'ai rentré bien dimanche
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: j'ai pris un jour de vacance hier pour me reposer
[08:43] <seb128> tu as bien fait
[08:43] <seb128> comment va ton jetlag ?
[08:43] <pitti> larsu: as-tu été à systemd.conf ?
[08:44] <pitti> seb128: en fait bien ! j'ai me levé à 3h hier, mais ce matin à 6h; donc je suis retour à la normale
[08:44] <seb128> :-)
[08:45] <pitti> pas d'ubuflu, qui aide :)
[08:45]  * pitti pats sil2100
[08:46] <larsu> morning pitti!
[08:46] <larsu> back home?
[08:47] <larsu> the conference was great! Lots of nice people and good talks
[08:47] <larsu> I liked yours especialy ;)
[08:47] <larsu> morning seb128!
[08:47] <seb128> hey larsu!
[08:49] <larsu> how are you?
[08:53] <seb128> doing good :-)
[08:53] <seb128> what about you?
[08:54] <larsu> great thanks! Just got myself some breakfast :)
[08:54]  * larsu should make tea to go wit hit
[08:54] <larsu> *with it
[08:58] <seb128> hehe
[08:58]  * seb128 is drinking coffee
[09:01] <willcooke> morning
[09:02] <larsu> morning willcooke
[09:02] <willcooke> hey larsu - I've asked for the +1 from design for those theme changes
[09:02] <larsu> I saw
[09:02] <larsu> no reply yet?
[09:03] <willcooke> I'm meeting with John in an hour or so
[09:03] <willcooke> I tweak the gtk2 theme as well for the scrollbar trough
[09:03] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/a/RHfU7
[09:03] <Laney> hey hey
[09:03] <willcooke> after at the top, before at the bottom
[09:03] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:03] <willcooke> strangely it looks quite different on a machine than a screenshot
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:04] <larsu> willcooke: darker trough?
[09:04] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[09:04] <larsu> morning Laney
[09:04] <willcooke> larsu, yeah
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, warm and windy :)
[09:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:04] <larsu> willcooke: hehe - does look better I think
[09:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:05] <willcooke> larsu, full screen the old is really hard to spot the scrollbar in the trough IMO
[09:05] <willcooke> anyways - I think John will be fine with it
[09:06]  * larsu nods
[09:08] <willcooke> ahah!
[09:08] <willcooke> I have the slow shutdown on W again
[09:08] <willcooke> A stop job is running for monitor and control system power state (17s / 1m 30s)
[09:09] <willcooke> it's now stopped ticking up
[09:09] <willcooke> pitti, anything to worry about?  ^
[09:09] <willcooke> This hasn't shown up for ages and now I have a USB drive plugged in, it's back
[09:10] <willcooke> Seems I can reproduce it now
[09:30] <seb128> willcooke, you probably want to follow /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz it has a section for debugging shutdown issues
[09:30] <willcooke> thx seb128 I'll take a look
[09:36] <seb128> Laney, seems like libgtk-3-dev should depends on libmircookie-dev now
[09:37] <seb128> gdk-3.0.pc lists it
[09:37] <Laney> check bzr
[09:37] <Laney> ...check xenial-changes :)
[09:37] <seb128> didn't get an email on xenial-changes
[09:38]  * seb128 refreshes
[09:38] <seb128> nop
[09:38]  * Laney shrugs
[09:38] <seb128> but I guess it means you are on it ;-)
[09:38] <didrocks> speaking of the devil… ;)
[09:38] <seb128> lol
[09:39] <seb128> nettle-dev?
[09:39]  * didrocks gives http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-make/xenial/ppc64el/ to pitti :-)
[09:39] <seb128> I wonder if it's normal that building on x11 pulls in mir requirements?
[09:39] <Laney> yes
[09:40] <seb128> why? (just curious)
[09:40] <seb128> well the depends is right, I just wonder why it has to be this way
[09:40] <pitti> didrocks: wohoo!
[09:41] <didrocks> was annoyed by a "always failed" on one arch :p
[09:41]  * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks
[09:41]  * didrocks donne une accolade en retour
[09:41] <didrocks> (and no, I didn't disable the test ;))
[09:41] <pitti> willcooke: hm, what's that? powerd?
[09:41] <seb128> Laney, I retried the pygobject builds btw, they seem alright now
[09:41] <seb128> maybe that unblocks libpeas and gedit :-)
[09:42] <pitti> willcooke: is that still starting on desktop? last time I looked at it it was doomed to fail without android
[09:42] <pitti> willcooke: so that's saying it tried to stop (SIGTERM) powerd and it doesn't go down on that; it gets SIGKILLed after the timeout
[09:43] <pitti> willcooke: so: if powerd has been fixed to work without android, then it needs to be fixed to terminate on SIGTERM, or get an ExecStop= to say what otherwise one must do to stop it
[09:43] <pitti> willcooke: if it has not been fixed to work without android, it shouldn't start in the first place, and its unit should grow some conditional
[09:45] <Laney> ask attente?
[09:45] <Laney> thanks
[09:45] <willcooke> pitti, only upowerd is running on my W machine
[09:45] <pitti> willcooke: ok, so I guess someone fixed it for non-android
[09:46] <willcooke> ah, upowerd == powerd
[09:46] <willcooke> humm
[09:46] <pitti> willcooke: right, upower is harmless and expected to run; talking about powerd
[09:46] <pitti> that's the ubuntu phone specific thing
[09:46] <willcooke> having said I could recreate it, guess what....
[09:46] <willcooke> now it's working fine again
[09:46] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:46] <willcooke> I thought I had a way to make it fail,  guess not
[09:47] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:48] <willcooke> it's back
[09:48] <willcooke> wtf
[09:48] <Laney> pitti: good, went out for cuban tapas last night which was yummy :)
[09:48] <pitti> willcooke: can you try this without rebooting: just "sudo systemctl stop powerd" and see if it hangs
[09:48] <Laney> you? good journey back?
[09:48] <pitti> willcooke: if not, start it again, stop, wash, rinse & repeat?
[09:49] <pitti> Laney: a day late, but the flight that actually did fly was fine
[09:49] <Laney> wait, I saw a post about... that
[09:49] <pitti> and I adjusted to the jetlag rather well
[09:49] <pitti> the swap day yesterday was really helpful
[09:49] <pitti> and I worked for < 10 mins :)
[09:49] <Laney> \o/
[09:51] <seb128> hum, bug #1514427 ... does anyone can try that on xenial/amd64? works fine on i386
[09:51]  * pitti apt installs
[09:52] <pitti> WTH, this installs libgnomevfs2 -- is that *still* a thing
[09:52] <pitti> seb128: it was reported on amd64
[09:53] <pitti> hm, but it starts fine here
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, yeah, which is why I'm asking if anyone using amd64 can reproduce
[09:53] <seb128> since my install is i386
[09:53] <pitti> oh, it works for you
[09:53] <seb128> yes
[09:53] <seb128> k, so local issue I guess
[09:53] <seb128> maybe an old lib in /usr/local or something
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, tahnks for testing
[09:54] <pitti> libmagick++-6.q16-5v5 8:<IP_ADDRESS>-6
[09:54] <pitti> libmagickcore-6.q16-2 8:<IP_ADDRESS>-6
[09:54] <pitti> that at least seems current
[09:54] <pitti> yeah, local imagemagic install could do that
[10:23] <Trevinho> seb128: it seems there are some troubles with gtk dependency in xenial...
[10:23] <Trevinho> configure: error: Package requirements (libwnck-3.0 >= 3.4.7) were not met:
[10:23] <Trevinho> Package 'mircookie', required by 'gdk-3.0', not found
[10:23] <Trevinho> This is for bamf, for example... But also Unity fails
[10:23] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, yeah, Laney just uploaded a fixed gtk, see backlog
[10:24] <seb128> Trevinho, just do a retry once the new gtk is published, should be soon enough
[10:24] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, ok... rebuilding now is fine (in ppa)?
[10:24] <Trevinho> ok
[10:25] <seb128> Trevinho,
[10:25] <seb128> $ rmadison -s xenial-proposed libgtk-3-0
[10:25] <seb128>  libgtk-3-0 | 3.18.2-1ubuntu1 | xenial-proposed | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[10:25] <seb128> so not yet
[10:25] <willcooke> pitti, sorry for the delay.  So I did a systemctl stop powerd and it took ~ 15 seconds to stop.  Retrying....
[10:25] <seb128> need another publisher
[10:25] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, thanks
[10:25]  * Trevinho waits...
[10:25] <Laney> it's not finished on armhf yet
[10:26] <pitti> willcooke: ah, so you can reproduce that without having to reboot, good
[10:26] <Trevinho> you damn armhf... You're always late.
[10:26] <Trevinho> (it looks something more related to an Italian technology than a British one :P)
[10:28] <pitti> oh, no Sweetshark?
[10:29] <willcooke> pitti, systemctl start powerd -> Failed to start powerd.service: Unit lxc-android-config.service failed to load: No such file or directory
[10:29] <pitti> LibO started to fail with "configure: error: gtk3 libraries of the correct versions, not found"
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, cf what we just said
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, gtk+ fix is building, another 1 or 2 publisher cycles and it should be good to retry
[10:29] <pitti> seb128: ah, thanks
[10:37] <willcooke> larsu, +1 from desig
[10:42] <willcooke> n
[10:44] <larsu> \o/
[12:01] <seb128> Trevinho, you can retry your gtk builds now
[12:01] <seb128> pitti, ^
[12:01] <pitti> seb128: thanks; the new gtk+3.0 already re-triggered the tests
[12:01] <seb128> good
[12:07] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[12:53] <seb128> Trevinho, I think you said that https://code.launchpad.net/~sethj/ubuntu/wily/unity/fix-for-1445595/+merge/276074 was wrong, can you comment on it?
[12:54] <Trevinho> seb128: yep
[12:54] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[12:56] <Laney> LP/archive is being super slow for me
[12:56] <Laney> same for anyone else?
[12:58] <willcooke> Laney, testing
[12:58] <willcooke> Laney, seems the security repo is slow, others OK
[13:00] <seb128> Laney, lp works fine for me
[13:00] <Laney> ok
[13:07] <didrocks> same here, fine
[13:07]  * Laney needs to get round to running ethernet
[13:09]  * Laney orders a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel
[14:08] <qengho> good morning.
[14:10] <seb128> hey qengho
[14:11] <andyrock> morning
[14:11] <Trevinho> hey andyrock
[14:11] <Trevinho> andyrock: you know there's a big review queue for you? :-D
[14:12] <andyrock> yeah
[14:12] <Trevinho> 💌
[14:12] <andyrock> that does not make me happy
[14:12] <Trevinho> It's a nice mail, come one!
[14:12] <Trevinho> on*
[14:12] <willcooke> hey andyrock - how are you fixed for a meeting tomorrow around 10am UTC?
[14:12] <Trevinho> Ah, and the Kylin guys proposed their lockscreen shield... Works well, there are some code changes needed, but from a first look it seems nice.
[14:12] <willcooke> andyrock, this will be our inaugural agile sprint kick off
[14:13] <andyrock> willcooke: if it's on IRC it's fine for me
[14:14] <willcooke> andyrock, it will need to be a HO I think, sorry.  Do you have any mornings which work?
[14:14] <willcooke> I guess we can try IRC, but I think HO will be better/faster
[14:14] <andyrock> willcooke: can I do that on the phone? just for the days I'm not home at that time
[14:15] <willcooke> andyrock, there will be one of these about every 3 weeks, plus a review at a similar schedule
[14:15] <Trevinho> But, doing it on afternoon is not feasible?
[14:16] <andyrock> ok I'll make it for tomorrow
[14:16] <willcooke> Sure, we can do that.  My afternoons tend to be busier, but we can find a slot I'm sure
[14:16] <willcooke> andyrock, when is a good time for you?  I think 1 hr will be plenty
[14:16] <willcooke> happy to fit around your schedule
[14:16] <Trevinho> Ok, then we can decide everytime when's better..
[14:16] <willcooke> +1
[14:17] <andyrock> my schedule is a mess, it's no fixed
[14:18] <andyrock> I'll try to adapt my schedule to the meetings
[14:18] <andyrock> the opposite is impossible
[14:18] <willcooke> hah
[14:18] <andyrock> i'll do it for tomorrow :D
[14:18] <Trevinho> Since we're just 4 people, I think we can be easily flexible
[14:18] <willcooke> plus seb128 at least for the first one
[14:18] <Trevinho> ah, ok sure
[14:18] <Trevinho> seb128 is always there :)
[14:19] <willcooke> ok, how about we sync tomorrow on IRC and try and find a slot
[14:19] <willcooke> hikiko will be back tomorrow as well
[14:19] <Trevinho> Fine
[14:19] <seb128> tomorrow is a french holiday but I should be online at least in the morning between 10 and 12
[14:20] <willcooke> oh yeah, forgot
[14:20] <willcooke> maybe Thursday then
[14:21] <seb128> let's see tomorrow morning?
[14:21] <willcooke> sure, oki plan is then try and sync tomorrow morning and if we can't do it then try again on Thursday
[14:21] <Trevinho> seb128: don't do that... We can move this on Thursday
[14:21] <tseliot> willcooke: hi, do you know what version of gstreamer we are planning to use in 16.04?
[14:22] <seb128> tseliot, whatever is stable by feature freeze, looks like 1.6 from where we stand at the moment
[14:22] <tseliot> seb128: ok, thanks
[14:23] <seb128> tseliot, why?
[14:23] <Laney> 1.8
[14:23] <tseliot> seb128: somebody asked ;)
[14:23] <seb128> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-announce/2015-October/000359.html
[14:23] <seb128> in fact 1.8 likely I guess
[14:24] <seb128> tseliot, do you know why they ask? they want/need a new version?
[14:24] <tseliot> ah, ok
[14:24] <tseliot> seb128: I'm not really sure. I will ask them
[14:24] <seb128> thanks
[14:25]  * Laney was here you know
[14:26] <seb128> Laney, here?
[14:26] <tseliot> Laney: sorry, I didn't see you
[14:26]  * seb128 waves to Laney
[14:26] <tseliot> Laney: thanks
[14:26] <seb128> Laney, sorry when I replied I was unsure if you were around or at lunch or if you knew/tracked upstream gstreamer work
[14:26]  * seb128 knows for next time that Laney masters gstreamer's schedule ;-)
[14:31] <Laney> no worries :P
[14:31] <Laney> I usually assume these days that we'll track it like glib
[14:31] <seb128> k, I though you mostly did merge from Debian
[14:31] <seb128> I didn't know you were tracking upstream as well
[14:31] <Laney> slomo is fast there
[14:31] <seb128> yeah
[14:31] <Laney> happy to let him do that
[14:31] <seb128> I for one had no idea when 1.8 was coming
[14:31] <seb128> now I know
[14:31] <Laney> ya, trying to get on the 6 month train
[14:31] <seb128> they failed in the past
[14:31] <seb128> so I don't trust much their schedule
[14:32] <seb128> but let's see ;-)
[15:02] <willcooke> didrocks, heard back from Fritzing too.  They are +1
[15:03] <willcooke> larsu, thanks for the approval!  Do I need to do anything now or is it automatic?  Will it be part of 16.04?
[15:05] <larsu> willcooke: used to be automatic; these days we need to ping seb128 or Laney
[15:05] <larsu> there's a spreadhseet involoved. And a silo. And something about a train
[15:06] <seb128> larsu, no spreadsheet anymore
[15:06] <seb128> :-)
[15:06] <seb128> things improve!
[15:07] <seb128> willcooke, need a landing through https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
[15:07] <larsu> oh indeed?
[15:07] <larsu> ah, right
[15:07]  * larsu shuts up
[15:07] <larsu> the part about pinging someone was corrct
[15:07] <seb128> I'm unsure you wouldn't be able to do a landing yourself
[15:07] <seb128> if you are not we could for sure arrange to have it fixed
[15:07] <seb128> same for willcooke :p
[15:10] <didrocks> willcooke: great! do you mind opening bugs with links and references?
[15:17]  * seb128 hands a "rebuild master" badge to Laney ;-)
[15:17] <Laney> didn't test build that lot
[15:17] <Laney> and there were some sed build depends replacements
[15:17] <Laney> sooooo, no badge just yet :)
[15:18] <seb128> hehe
[15:18] <seb128> more transition coming
[15:18] <seb128> I noticed the new "glew" upload earlier
[15:18] <seb128> there are some 60 rdepends
[15:18] <Laney> ffs
[15:18] <Laney> better not get entangled
[15:18] <seb128> we might want a transition tracker for that one
[15:20] <Laney> just got a proper dialog from e-d-s
[15:20] <Laney> for team meeting reminder
[15:20] <Laney> :(
[15:24] <willcooke> seb128, I'm not authorized to add a new request.  What should I do?
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, why ":("?
[15:24] <willcooke> didrocks, Sure.  Still need to finalise the legal side, but I will create a couple of bugs anyway
[15:26] <seb128> willcooke, unsure what group has the rights to do landing. If you are interested to figure that out/get it work ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng, otherwhise jut delegate the landing to somebody in the team I would say
[15:28] <willcooke> probably not something I need to do very often.  seb128 would you mind doing the honours?
[15:29] <willcooke> it's not urgent of course
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, adding to my list
[15:29] <willcooke> thx!
[15:29] <seb128> but probably not for before thursday
[15:29] <willcooke> nw
[15:29] <seb128> yw!
[15:29]  * willcooke feels a disturbance in the force
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 10 15:30:05 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt (hols),  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (maybe out), happyaron (maybe out), hikiko (hols), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <andyrock> hey
[15:30] <dgadomski> hey
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> hey
[15:31] <Trevinho> HEy!
[15:31] <FJKong> =。=！
[15:31] <happyaron> hey
[15:31] <qengho> hejhej
[15:31] <larsu> \o
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's go.....
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <andyrock> Nothing that much last week
[15:32] <andyrock> Treviño is too fast to write code
[15:32] <andyrock> faster than me reading his code
[15:32] <Trevinho> not true...
[15:33] <andyrock> btw this week I'll try to review all the MPs
[15:33]  * Laney is getting ALL the build failures now
[15:34] <willcooke> oki, thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <desrt> o/
[15:34] <attente> hi, not a whole lot to say
[15:34] <attente> finished https://github.com/maliit/framework/pull/19 and https://github.com/maliit/inputcontext-gtk/pull/1, merged upstream
[15:34] <attente> need to figure out why clicking on the maliit keyboard double taps keys in gtk apps
[15:34] <attente> backlog: single-surface mode for gtk-mir
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thx attente
[15:34] <willcooke> desrt, are you really here?
[15:34] <desrt> ya
[15:35] <desrt> i didn't email my report, so i can give it now :)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> did a release last week and used the chance to do a lot of long-overdue cleanup tasks in glib
[15:35] <desrt> simplified the docs build
[15:35] <desrt> also simplified our handling of "inline" (which exploded as a result of the recent overflow-checked math ops work)
[15:35] <desrt> also general bugs/patches/etc.
[15:35] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> * I've been off for 2 days last week
[15:36] <dgadomski> * fixed bug #1337873, reported upstream bug with attached patch (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92886), will work on debdiffs for SRU
[15:36] <dgadomski> * got more feedback for fix to bug #1337873, pitti will upload the fix to xenial for testing before SRU
[15:36] <dgadomski> * working on a wiki page with information about debugging policykit
[15:36] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:37] <seb128> dgadomski, what's the url of the page?
[15:38] <dgadomski> seb128: I'm working on a draft, going to paste it to wiki, not sure what would be the best place to put it
[15:39] <dgadomski> seb128: I still have it as a google doc
[15:39] <seb128> dgadomski, probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPolicyKit or something
[15:39] <seb128> that would be consistent with others
[15:39] <seb128> e.g https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor
[15:39] <dgadomski> seb128: thanks, will do that
[15:40] <willcooke> great, thanks chaps
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:40] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:40] <didrocks> * Release work from previous week as 15.11. Good feedbacks so far.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Netbeans IDE support (and added/cleaning tests for it) by Fabio Colella!
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Jared Ravetch rust support (and added/cleaning as well tests for it) by Jared Ravetch.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Unity3D updates support by Eldar Khayrullin (welcome to our new contributor).
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Sebastian Schuberth fix for Android NDK.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix webstorm icon renamed upstream.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Ship version file as part of the install (Now --version really works on packaged flavor as well) + stamp generated binary with correct version.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix BaseInstaller to not crash when all downloads assets are 404 + add medium tests for this.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Ensure -r global option behave like --remove.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Some style, refactoring and formatting tidy up for recent merges and changes.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Add medium assets, certificates and additional failure test cases for netbeans and rust.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Update docker container for medium tests with new certificates.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Readd Travis CI integration running pep8 and small tests (with badge status and updated wording in README). New pushes and pull requests are now automatically tested on those 2 kinds of tests.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix and updates dependencies for package and pip virtualenv deps.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Standardize the test environment so that people running tests using for instance zsh are not impacted.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Finish up shipping static files support for future frameworks.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Using scala framework for loading tests and making autopkgtests pass on armel64 (android not available on this arch).
[15:40] <didrocks> * Improve releasing script and migrate gbp config to new headers.
[15:41] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:41] <didrocks> * Watched and followed some UOS sessions (still some to catch up though)
[15:41] <didrocks> * Some Archive Admin duties
[15:41] <didrocks> .
[15:41] <willcooke> nothing else?
[15:41] <larsu> did you sleep?
[15:41] <willcooke> :D:D
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks didrocks, amazing stuff
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:41] <seb128> you guys read fast
[15:41] <didrocks> larsu: not enough ;)
[15:41] <larsu> haha
[15:41] <FJKong> dmesg| less
[15:41] <FJKong> hi
[15:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: has a bot to generate random changleogs :P
[15:42] <FJKong> things about sogou IM :
[15:42] <didrocks> Trevinho: damn, need to change my strategy now! :)
[15:42] <FJKong> processing sogou skin picture with libpng,
[15:42] <FJKong> modify Imageprovider to load image
[15:42] <FJKong> made a demo to display animate picture
[15:42] <FJKong> pinyin search
[15:42] <FJKong> wirite README and guide to help testing
[15:42] <FJKong> test gui configre tool
[15:42] <FJKong> eof
[15:42] <willcooke> animated gifs ftw
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:43] <happyaron> ok
[15:43] <happyaron> not long this week
[15:43] <happyaron> 1. Continued testing/improving of (my) zfs package
[15:43] <happyaron> 2. Mass updates to Chinese translations (still working on those stuff atm)
[15:43] <happyaron> EOF
[15:43] <happyaron> just be time consuming
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho, didrocks: http://whatthecommit.com/ and https://github.com/lwe/whatthecommit
[15:44] <Trevinho> :D
[15:44] <Laney> oops
[15:44] <Laney> • glib2.0 -> unstable, exp, wily, xenial (+ poking tests to get things in)
[15:44] <Laney> • (finish?) set(ting?) up appstream server running on http://<IP_ADDRESS>/html/ (temporary home)
[15:44] <Laney> • re-poked at libphonenumber after being asked to by pocock, made another Debian upload, should be syncable now after a fix in telephony-service (submitted)
[15:45] <Laney> • gtk+3.0 -> xenial (currently poking tests, should go in today [just did!])
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ still need to file a couple of bugs
[15:45] <Laney> • poke for gnome-desktop3/cheese(?)/e-d-s/other things transition, went in after doko fixed binutils and webkit2gtk built
[15:45] <Laney> • poke lots and lots of things for poppler/ffmpeg/ocaml/gsl/soundtouch/x264/x265 transition, still ongoing
[15:45] <Laney> • gstreamer 1.6.1 updates
[15:45] <Laney> • some UOS things and discussions about desktop iso testing
[15:45] <Laney> ♜
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:46] <larsu> random bug and review work this past week, still not on top of everything (sorry)
[15:46] <larsu> went to systemd conf and had some good discussions
[15:46] <larsu> got the dbus spec amended while there
[15:47] <larsu> and a bug fix for dbus-monitor
[15:47] <larsu> (which is broken right now)
[15:47] <larsu> also finished up the gsettings-qt stuff
[15:47] <larsu> and worked on geonames localization in between
[15:47] <larsu> I think that's it. </larsu>
[15:47] <willcooke> reviewed my awesome mp
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:48] <larsu> willcooke: awesome work ;)
[15:48] <willcooke> :D
[15:48] <larsu> easy to review
[15:48] <qengho> * Releasing Cr 46.0.2490.71 today. Translations and default-browser bugs worked out.
[15:48] <qengho> * Preparing distro bug fix for xdg-utils.
[15:48] <qengho> * Not much on cr-ozone-mir this week.
[15:48] <qengho> * Exploring apparmor hats for Chromium to punch smallest possible holes for sandbox.
[15:48] <qengho> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> qengho, speaking about xdg-utils, it needs merging on Debian, if you want maybe to do that ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> oh
[15:48] <seb128> • keep looking at incoming bugs and errors, triaging and picking some
[15:48] <seb128> • updated gedit to 3.18 including CSD, quite some changes, thanks Lars for doing most of the work previous cycle!
[15:48] <seb128> • backported rhythmbox fix for sync dialog have a null height
[15:48] <seb128> • joined some UOS sessions
[15:48] <seb128> • debugged/fixed nautilus trash segfault (was due to glib)
[15:48] <seb128> • started nautilus update (3.18) + debian merge, quite some work, still ongoing
[15:48] <qengho> seb128: Will look.
[15:48] <seb128> • did a patch pilot shift
[15:48] <seb128> • load of desktop updates&merges
[15:48] <seb128> • some work on current xenial britney issues/transitions
[15:49] <seb128> (also another reminder that help on debian merges would be welcome ;-)
[15:49] <willcooke> desktoppers: ^^ please help
[15:49] <seb128> thanks :-)
[15:50] <willcooke> thx seb128
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - finished 5.0.3 update for docviewer and related issues
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - CVE-2015-4551 CVE-2015-5212 CVE-2015-5213 CVE-2015-5214 for precise/trusty/vivid (good riddance finally)
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - some UOS stuff
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - upstream code review
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - added some assertions on threading issues upstream, fixed some 10 API entry points without mutex locking issues that might cause spurious crashes
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - peeked a look at 5.1 alpha1/xenial for prereleases ppa (not more yet)
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - some tender review/TDF leadership/event coordination
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:50] <willcooke> bosh!
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:50] <willcooke> good news on the CVEs
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:50] <willcooke> * Updated Orca to latest stable, 3.18.2 in xenial.
[15:50] <willcooke> * Updated at-spi2-core in Debian pkg-a11y git, waiting for upload to Debian so I can merge into Xenail.
[15:50] <willcooke> * Started making preparations to upgrade to xenial.
[15:50] <willcooke> * Almost got my Orca gsettings backend code working, but Orca is not speaking, and not executing commands. Investigation continues.
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Did more testing with level-1 and level-2 printing stacks. For level 1 I got everything working. Level 2 seems to have some problems with filters to be run on ARM.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - cups: Fixed the problem of sub-processes not starting, after investigation of the CUPS source code I have found that the problem is the binary package splitting, as some small helper program was missing in the level-1 printing stack.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Communication with a printer manufacturer because of IPP-over-USB problems.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Discussion with Ghostscript upstream about XPS support.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:51] <willcooke> good work on the phone
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, good work on figuring out the missing helper issue!
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Meeting with kylin guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151105
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Fixed a panel menus flickering issue, caused by a nux change (and a nux workaround inside unity)
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Fixed drawing of prelighted state of the indicators
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Added upstart support to BAMF
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Show warning also when numlock is enabled in lockscreen
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Proposed the new overlay scrollbars for the dash so that they're like the gtk ones
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Re-enabled the unit tests on arm64
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Removed python2.7 dependency on unity packages that are in main (kept for unity-autopilot that is in universe)
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Initial review of the Ubuntu Kylin lockscreen shield
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Prepared a new landing of the stack
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Attended desktop UOS session, joined others, watched someone else
[15:52] <Trevinho> 
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:53] <seb128> Trevinho, good work :-)
[15:53] <willcooke> - Xenial updates
[15:53] <willcooke> - XMir packaging
[15:53] <willcooke> - GNOME Software work
[15:53] <willcooke> - Found a lightdm-webkit-greeter maintainer!
[15:53] <seb128> oh, nice for lightdm-webkit-greeter
[15:53] <willcooke> yay!
[15:53] <seb128> thanks for helping with updates Rob ;-)
[15:53] <Trevinho> seb128: :-)
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:53] <willcooke> Anyone got any topics?
[15:54] <willcooke> Nothing from my side at this point
[15:54] <seb128> did I mention Debian merges? ;-)
[15:54] <seb128> :p
[15:54] <willcooke> :))
[15:55] <willcooke> going in 10...
[15:55] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 15:55:22 2015 UTC.
[15:55] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-11-10-15.30.moin.txt
[15:55] <willcooke> thanks everyone, nice and efficient today
[15:55] <willcooke> good turn out too
[15:56] <seb128> thanks!
[15:56] <attente> thanks
[15:56] <larsu> thanks!
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:57] <Sweet5hark> thanks guys
[15:59] <willcooke> oh, could someone take a look at Byran's email to the desktop list Gnome Calendar?
[15:59] <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-November/004755.html
[15:59] <willcooke> as and when
[16:03] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: another good one from your site: «Removed test case since code didn't pass QA » :-D
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: lets be honest: we have all seen that one (if only with more decorum)
[16:04]  * Trevinho has a recent branch with that :-D
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[16:05] <seb128> willcooke, i've that on my todolist, I need to try/play with the tb one
[16:05] <willcooke> thx seb128
[16:31] <pitti> nice, gtk+3.0 propagated without a hitch
[16:31] <willcooke> \o/
[16:33] <Laney> without?
[16:33] <Laney> I retried a few tests for it
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, wait to see the runtime result :p
[16:35] <pitti> Laney: oh, did you? bah
[16:35]  * seb128 pinned gtk+3.16 meanwhile
[16:35] <pitti> Laney: cloud trouble again, or flaky tests?
[16:35] <Laney> pitti: at least<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:35] <pitti> seb128: trust your work!
[16:35] <pitti> Laney: ah sorry, that was my doing
[16:36] <pitti> the test was hung, and I killed it as I wanted to roll out a new worker
[16:36] <pitti> but I thought I already retried it
[16:36] <seb128> pitti, i tried it, the bg flickering is giving me headaches
[16:36] <seb128> I hope I'm not the only one to see that and that we manage to get upstream/somebody to look at it
[16:37] <willcooke> Parents evening at the school, back in 30 mins
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.ogv
[16:37] <pitti> that'll be a really short evening
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, the first part of the video is with the new gtk then it's the old one
[16:38] <qengho> When I have those, I have to bring the teacher a bottle of scotch and dry her tears for two hours.
[16:38] <pitti> seb128: I think the video loses the effect somewhat, but I think I know what you mean
[16:40] <pitti> uh, so empathy/telepathy are dead for good? what a pity
[16:40] <pitti> (reading willcooke's 16.04 change proposals)
[16:40] <seb128> they are unmaintained at least
[16:41] <pitti> TBH I've been using pidgin for a while as empathy still doesn't do OTR (encryption)
[16:41] <seb128> telepathy is used as a framework on the phone so I think it's still a thing
[16:41] <qengho> exit empathy. enter tor messenger
[16:41] <pitti> but yeah, the world moving back from XMPP is really sad
[16:42] <seb128> yeah :-/
[16:42] <seb128> pitti, Xavier submitted patched for OTR on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16891#c46
[16:42] <seb128> but those didn't get merged (yet)
[16:43] <pitti> I know, it's already quite old
[16:45] <seb128> tjaalton, what do you mean in bug #1514908? what sort of support do you expect from a file-manager?
[16:45] <Laney> larsu: is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748498 a bug you could add to your list?
[16:46] <Laney> some people are complaining about it ;-)
[16:48] <tjaalton> seb128: oh man :)
[16:48] <seb128> tjaalton, you meant lightdm right? ;-)
[16:48] <tjaalton> yes, changed it
[16:48] <seb128> thanks
[16:51] <tjaalton> had a nautilus bug page open, clicked report a bug and then changed the package name, but apparently it's too late at that point
[17:24]  * willcooke back
[17:36] <seb128> wb willcooke
[17:49] <larsu> Laney: I can have a look, but I sense this is a Company question..
[17:53] <seb128> larsu, I think Laney just tried to get the ball rolling on it because I complained about it and the bugzilla seems to sit there ignored
[17:55] <larsu> seb128: ok :)
[17:55] <larsu> makes sense
[17:56] <seb128> larsu, it might be my fault for having a laptop old and slow enough that it's quite visible
[17:56] <seb128> larsu, unsure if you saw the video, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.ogv
[17:58] <larsu> seb128: just testing it - I can see it as well (but very briefly)
[17:58] <seb128> I wonder if it's another CSD frame extent issue
[17:58] <seb128> it's not a theme one at least
[18:00] <larsu> maybe a frame clock thing?
[18:00] <larsu> the bug report mentions this not happening on composited wms
[18:00] <larsu> could be that unity misses somethign
[18:01] <didrocks> good evening everyone, see you on thursday! (tomorrow is off in France)
[18:01] <larsu> didrocks: enjoy!
[18:01] <didrocks> thanks larsu!
[18:03]  * larsu wanted to try on gnome shell, but guest session seems to be broken
[18:03] <seb128> yeah, indeed, I noticed that as wel
[18:03] <seb128> you can switch to another user though
[18:04] <larsu> can also relogin myself
[18:38] <willcooke> dinner.  bbl
[19:02] <jono> hey folks
[19:02] <jono> my Unity8 session is still not starting
[19:02] <jono> using the container version on 15.10
[19:02] <jono> any idea how I get it working?
[19:03] <qengho> jono: pastebin "dmesg |tail" ?
[19:04] <jono> qengho, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218010/
[19:05] <jono> I tried this too:
[19:05] <jono> jono@forge:~$ sudo unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild-all --redownload
[19:05] <jono> usage: unity8-lxc-setup [-h] [--rebuild] [--test SECONDS] [--destroy]
[19:05] <jono>                         [--update-lxc]
[19:05] <jono> unity8-lxc-setup: error: unrecognized arguments: --rebuild-all --redownload
[19:05] <jono> which seems odd
[19:05] <jono> it seems odd as dpm got it working in this pastebin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11724558/
[19:07] <davmor2> jono: try --rebuild all
[19:07] <jono> davmor2,
[19:07] <jono> jono@forge:~$ sudo unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild-all
[19:07] <jono> usage: unity8-lxc-setup [-h] [--rebuild] [--test SECONDS] [--destroy]
[19:07] <jono>                         [--update-lxc]
[19:07] <jono> unity8-lxc-setup: error: unrecognized arguments: --rebuild-all
[19:07] <jono> oops
[19:07] <jono> unity8-lxc-setup: error: unrecognized arguments: all
[19:08] <davmor2> jono: remove the all all together
[19:08] <jono> so just --rebuild ?
[19:08] <jono> it seems to be working now
[19:08] <davmor2> jono: seems to be the thing listed
[19:08] <qengho> That "usage" line says so.
[19:08] <jono> it is updating it now it seems
[19:09] <jono> downloading a bunch of packages
[19:09] <jono> davmor2, how often is this container updated?
[19:09] <davmor2> jono: it might be that you are on a different version than dpm so his might of had rebuild-all whereas your version didn't
[19:09] <jono> with the most recent unity8 trunk?
[19:09] <jono> ahhh
[19:09] <qengho> ....or one of you is on some PPA.
[19:10] <davmor2> jono: one for someone else I'm afraid I don't use it
[19:10] <jono> davmor2, np
[19:15] <jono> how you doing davmor2?
[19:16] <davmor2> jono: Good thanks, busy as hell, How about you, you git......hub person you ;)
[19:17] <jono> davmor2, good pal
[19:17] <jono> just off for a week before I start :-)
[19:18] <davmor2> jono: man holidays before you start, weirdo ;)
[19:18] <davmor2> jono: looking forward to the excitement of the tech world again?
[19:19] <jono> davmor2, indeed, I am glad to be back in the thick of things :-)
[19:22] <czajkowski> jono: you're just happy to not use a mac again :)
[19:25] <jono> czajkowski, yeah - well, I think I will dual boot
[19:26] <jono> I like Ubuntu, but I also need some Mac things - e.g. GitHub Desktop
[19:26]  * czajkowski hugs her X1
[19:26] <czajkowski> jono: ah fair point I've mostly been able to get away with other tools except goto meeting, doesnt view camera but other than that :D
[19:30] <jono> ok folks, I get some errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218192/
[19:30] <jono> when I ran: sudo unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild
[19:30] <jono> czajkowski, you use Ubuntu?
[19:32] <czajkowski> jono: yes, asking me to do stuff on a mac took me a lot longer
[19:33] <jono> ahhh
[19:36] <czajkowski> jono: to be fair I'm the only one on my team that refused the mac :) the rest use a mac or windows.
[19:36] <czajkowski> for our .net sdk workings
[19:37] <jono> czajkowski, I think that is pretty normal
[19:50] <willcooke> right, g'gnith
[19:50] <willcooke> night
[20:11] <zmaj> hello, anyone here?
[20:14] <davmor2> yes
[20:15] <zmaj> I am looking into building a Ubuntu based distro with i3wm, do any of you use i3wm?
[20:28] <zmaj> I guess I will ask it in #ubuntu instead
[20:28] <zmaj> close


[06:09] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:12] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:16] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:30] <superfly> yo ThatGraemeGuy
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo fly
[07:06] <Kilos> no fair. xchat only shows graphical smileys in winsucks
[07:06] <Kilos> i like to see who sticks tongue out at me
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> its called windows, don't sink to that level
[07:14] <Kilos> sorry
[07:26] <Squirm> morning
[07:26] <Kilos> hi there Squirm bored already?
[07:28] <Squirm> it's been ok
[07:29] <Squirm> been keeping myself busy
[07:29] <Kilos> good
[07:59] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[08:01] <Vince-0> Hi!
[08:48] <charl> good morning all
[08:48] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[08:48]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[08:48] <charl> hi Kilos, Vince-0, Squirm, ThatGraemeGuy
[08:48] <charl> and superfly
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi :)
[08:52] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:52] <Vince-0> !
[08:53] <charl> got (one of) our outbound links updated this morning to 40gbps
[08:53] <charl> i don't notice much of a difference though
[08:53] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[08:53] <Maaz_> charl: Sure
[08:56] <Kilos> Maaz_, hi
[08:56]  * Maaz_ waves to Kilos
[08:57] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:57] <Kilos> thats fast that
[09:08] <oupateddie> Morning great world
[09:08]  * oupateddie Waves
[09:10] <Kilos> hi oupateddie
[09:11] <oupateddie> howzit
[09:12] <Kilos> lekker and you?
[09:12] <oupateddie> trying to play with kubuntu 13.10
[09:12] <oupateddie> Installed in clean on the lappie
[09:13] <oupateddie> but some small things I am not sure of yet
[09:13] <Kilos> fast hey
[09:13] <Kilos> or do you update same time
[09:13] <Kilos> ok lemme reboot to kde
[09:14] <oupateddie> well I got it installed and yes it is quite fast. Tell me how the hell do I arrange the icons on the desktop?
[09:18] <superfly> oupateddie: you don't, the "desktop" is not a place to store your icons
[09:19] <oupateddie> OK kindly enlighten me
[09:19] <superfly> you can change it if you want, but there really isn't a reason to
[09:19] <superfly> oupateddie: if you want access to your often used programs, you can right-click on them in the menu and say "add to favourites"
[09:19] <oupateddie> well then help. As I am an OLD gnome user
[09:19] <superfly> that'll add them to the front page of the menu
[09:19] <oupateddie> ok
[09:20] <superfly> you can also right-click on the item in the task bar and select "show a launcher when not running" and it'll leave the icon there when the app is not running (like on Windows 7)
[09:21] <oupateddie> ok let me start from one point. I have no remoived the icons on the desktop asw ell as a second desktop I had
[09:22] <oupateddie> right now I want to add icons to some place where I can access them easily. I thus right-click and ad to favourites
[09:22] <Kilos> yip
[09:22] <superfly> then when you open the menu, they're there
[09:23] <superfly> or, start your app, and then right-click on its entry in the task bar and click on "show a launcher when not running" and it'll be on the task bar all the time
[09:25] <Kilos> also if you want to run something you tick the blue launcher bottom left and type in the program you want to run and it will show
[09:25] <Kilos> oupateddie: superfly is the kde master here, him and inetpro
[09:26] <superfly> I don't actually use the normal menu any more, I use something similar to Unity's dash called Homerun
[09:26] <superfly> but I prefer using my keyboard to my mouse :-)
[09:26] <Kilos> lol we arent all at your level superfly
[09:26] <oupateddie> I also prefer keaboard
[09:27] <oupateddie> so where I get this Homerun
[09:27] <Kilos> Maaz_: google Homerun for 13.10 kubuntu
[09:27] <Maaz_> Kilos: "How To Install Homerun Kicker 1.1.0 On Kubuntu 13.10/13.04/12.10 ..."
[09:27] <Maaz_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEJm7yI_u30 :: "homerun + kicker : “Blue-Shell” team - Launchp…
[09:28]  * Kilos looks too
[09:30] <oupateddie> OK I'll get there in time. I have right clicked on the FireFox and aade
[09:30] <oupateddie> OK I see it on the taslbaar
[09:33] <superfly> oupateddie: I right-click on the icon and then set the keyboard shortcut to Windows+F1
[09:33] <superfly> then I can press Meta+F1 and start typing my app name
[09:36] <oupateddie> Ok I'm trying to install the homerun widget
[09:36] <Kilos> superfly: did you have homerun on 12.04 too
[09:45] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:46] <Symmetria> holy crap there are some stupid people in this world
[09:47] <psyatw> hi Symmetria
[09:47] <psyatw> of course there are
[09:48] <Symmetria> steers afrovan seriously just asked me if Kenya was an international destination while I was trying to get moving quotes
[09:48]  * Symmetria double facepalms
[09:50] <oupateddie> what is an activity?
[10:05] <superfly> oupateddie: it's like a different style of interacting with your desktop (I think)
[10:12] <oupateddie> Was on the phone, thanks
[10:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:31] <Squirm> internet
[10:31] <Squirm> is painfully slow
[10:31] <Squirm> I miss my internet
[10:37] <Kilos> dont rush man you on holiday
[11:09] <Squirm> so when I'm stuck at my parents house and have nothing to do but sit and watch a painfully slow download of the latest How I met your Mother...
[11:09] <Squirm> I musn't rush ?
[11:09] <Squirm> :/
[11:09] <Squirm> I can't rush
[11:10] <Squirm> sadly, I think I'm going to cut my losses and download the lower quality version :(
[11:11] <Squirm> non-HD quality on an HD TV, when you're used to watching HD, looks shocking
[11:20] <charl> taking a look at pycharm now
[11:20] <charl> it's a proprietary product although it does seem to have a dumbed-down open source version
[11:21] <charl> but for a python ide, that looks really grown up
[11:23] <Kilos> haha
[12:12] <Symmetria> heh everyone ready for a very dark day on the internet?
[12:13] <Squirm> no :/
[12:13] <Squirm> my internet is pretty dead anyway
[12:15] <Symmetria> heh, the routing table just got 2 large for a large number of deployed routers on the internet to handle
[12:15] <Symmetria> we're on the verge of a pretty catastrophic event that people are gonna have to run around fixing ;p
[12:15] <Squirm> lol
[12:15] <Squirm> wow
[12:24] <charl> lol
[12:24] <charl> it's about time we hit some hurdles again... it was going far too well for my taste
[12:25] <Symmetria> charl lol, its a minature y2k bug of ciscos creation
[12:25] <charl> i'm sure they will fix it shortly with an ios update, if they haven't already
[12:25] <Symmetria> cant be fixed with an ios update
[12:25] <Symmetria> its a setting that has to be done outside of ios
[12:26] <Symmetria> and haha no one updates ios unless there is a problem
[12:26] <Symmetria> so whats gonna happen is, half the internet is gonna screw out, and THEN people are gonna start fixing
[12:26] <Symmetria> and you're looking at a day or 2 of chaos
[12:26] <Symmetria> at least
[12:26] <charl> sounds like fun
[12:27] <charl> serves people right for using cisco :P
[12:29] <Symmetria> yes cisco can die in a fire
[12:29] <Symmetria> gimme juniper kthx
[12:30] <charl> i was looking at metafabric just now
[12:30] <Symmetria> heh in the routing world you really have 4 choices on the higher end
[12:30] <Symmetria> cisco
[12:30] <Symmetria> juniper
[12:30] <Symmetria> huawei
[12:30] <Symmetria> and alcatel
[12:30] <Symmetria> alcatel will make baby Jesus weep
[12:30] <Symmetria> huawei you need to hire a translator if you want any support
[12:30] <charl> yeah i was about to say... alcatel... really?
[12:31] <Symmetria> cisco, well, cisco is just... cisco ;p
[12:31] <Symmetria> charl heh, ALU stuff works, its just horrific to configure
[12:31] <Symmetria> shockingly, they actually hold a HUGE percentage of the market
[12:31] <Symmetria> they have a 25% market share in the high end routing market
[12:31] <Symmetria> but I hate their stuff
[12:32] <charl> bah
[12:43] <charl> at home i have a ubee cpe device but it's a complete piece of carp
[12:43] <charl> i just connect myself directly to the damn thing with an ethernet cable
[12:44] <charl> the wifi is so bad it doesn't stretch for more than 5 metre i think
[12:47] <charl> wb Kilos
[12:47] <Kilos> ty
[12:47] <Kilos> no idea what happened but anyway
[12:48] <Kilos> hi cmsch
[12:51] <cmsch> hi Kilos.  I'm just lurking
[12:53] <Kilos> thats fine cmsch
[12:53] <charl> this is quite interesting
[12:53] <charl> earlier this year, google decided to move away from xmpp
[12:53] <Kilos> what can you teach us. lurking is boring
[12:53] <charl> microsoft, on the other hand, is moving towards xmpp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Lync_Server#XMPP
[12:54] <charl> "Lync Server has an XMPP gateway server to federate with external XMPP servers."
[12:54] <charl> "With Lync Server 2013 - XMPP is natively part of the product"
[12:54] <charl> so much for google...
[12:54] <Kilos> charl: you on kde?
[12:55] <charl> Kilos: no on i3
[12:55] <Kilos> eish
[12:55] <charl> i do have kde running in a VM though
[12:55] <charl> you need something?
[12:56] <Kilos> i did a kde upgrade on 12.04 and now the bottom panel is black so i cant see my 10 workspaces
[12:57] <charl> no idea, i'm running 13.10 here in the vm
[12:57] <charl> which theme are you using? oxygen?
[12:57] <Kilos> yeah
[12:57] <charl> maybe it might help moving back to air
[12:57] <charl> oxygen just seems to be borked
[12:58] <charl> oxygen is known to be buggy in any case
[12:58] <Kilos> ok ty lemme try that
[13:02] <Kilos> doesnt change anything
[13:02] <Kilos> everything on air now
[13:03] <Kilos> i dunno if it would need a reboot to show
[13:04] <charl> seems like you hit a weird bug there
[13:04] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/70694/how-to-change-color-transparency-of-all-desktop-panels
[13:04] <Kilos> followed that but no change
[13:04] <Kilos> grrr
[15:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:01] <Kilos> du8e to incomplete upgrade charl
[15:01] <Kilos> due as well
[15:02] <Kilos> fixed now but in my morning fiddles i ticked number workspaces and now cant find that to switch it off
[15:02] <Kilos> domdonner
[17:41] <Kilos> oh my, lightning hit tower, so signal but irc working
[17:41] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee on
[17:41]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, quck
[17:42] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sorry...
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, quick
[17:42] <Maaz_> Kilos: What?
[17:42] <Kilos> ai!
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, quickly
[17:42] <Maaz_> Kilos: What?
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz_, hurry
[17:42] <Maaz_> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[17:43] <Kilos> inetpro, kry jy darem bietjie reen?
[17:45] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:46] <Kilos> Maaz_, thanks
[17:46] <Maaz_> Kilos: Okay :-)
[17:49] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[17:49] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[18:07] <Kilos> psychicist, i see maverick.com is an entertainment company
[18:08] <Kilos> what you doing there
[18:08] <Kilos> you gonna sing and dance for us
[18:08] <inetpro> good evening
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ja dankie
[18:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:08] <inetpro> baie lekker gereen hier
[18:09] <Kilos> mooi dit reen nog hier maar nie hard nie
[18:09] <inetpro> selle hier
[18:09] <Kilos> listen to the falling rain, listen to it fall
[18:10] <psychicist> Kilos, is it?
[18:10] <inetpro> what does it tell you Kilos?
[18:10] <psychicist> goedenavond inetpro
[18:11] <inetpro> psychicist: hi
[18:11] <Kilos> the rain inetpro ?
[18:11] <Kilos> tells me grass will grow and sheep will vreet dik
[18:12] <Kilos> psychicist,  "Maverick - An Entertainment Company" http://www.maverick.com/
[18:13] <Kilos> and heres what i see for you
[18:13] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:14] <psychicist> Kilos, you see, I'm a fervent supporter of entertainment for the masses
[18:14] <Kilos> lol
[18:14] <psychicist> even here in Poland
[18:15] <psychicist> on television, on the radio, on the internet
[18:15] <psychicist> you name it
[18:15] <psychicist> http://www.maverick.com.pl/
[18:15] <Kilos> good man
[18:16] <Kilos> whew
[18:20] <Symmetria> I prefer mwww.mavericks.co.za ;p
[18:20]  * Symmetria grins
[18:20] <Symmetria> ooops
[18:20] <Symmetria> www.mavericks.co.za I mean
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[13:34] <maru> Hi all. I'm building an emulated environment for cyber security research. In particular, I have a thorough inventory of all applications (with versions) to be installed on a huge number of vms (mostly Ubuntu). I initially resorted to “vanilla” ansible but the problem is with old/superseded versions of packages. In the journey I discovered the fabulous launchpad API, hence the question: can I obtain a package .deb by specifying name
[13:34] <maru> and version (e.g., openssh 5.9p1) even if superseded/not in the installed OS ppa?
[15:47] <cjwatson> maru: Maybe in some cases; not in general and not via apt.  If the files in question haven't been entirely purged then it would be possible to copy them (without rebuilding) into a PPA and then pin that PPA using apt.  Your question isn't quite specific enough for us to know whether that's possible in this case.
[15:56] <maru> unfortunately we are talking about many different packages. My objective is having a fully automated "best-effort" solution that hopefully works on most cases (I am currently looking at: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/660750 which looks promising)
[15:58] <cjwatson> many different packages isn't interesting.  many different source *archives* would be interesting
[15:59] <maru> why?
[15:59] <cjwatson> are you trying to obtain these packages in the sense of downloading them locally, or in the sense of getting them all into a single PPA that you can provision on one of the relevant systems?
[15:59] <cjwatson> (or rather, on many of the relevant systems)
[15:59] <cjwatson> and are they superseded from the primary Ubuntu archive, or from some random PPA?
[16:00] <cjwatson> (you said "the installed OS ppa", which doesn't totally make sense because the primary Ubuntu archive isn't a PPA)
[16:03] <maru> On download locally vs ppa: both directions would work in my case, as I have to download and install them on each machine. The second approach would imply building a centralized archive that then could be used as source on all machines (and updated if needed), while the second I guess would be easier/more flexible
[16:04] <maru> superseded from the primary ubuntu archive
[16:05] <maru> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.5/5.5.54-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>/+publishinghistory this is a notable example
[17:05] <maru> also, is anyone aware of an NVT CPE mapping to actual packages?


[07:35] <matrix3000> hey guys
[07:35] <matrix3000> have a question how would i have a dynamic hostname in cloud-init where part is static, part is dynamic
[07:35] <matrix3000> like
[07:35] <matrix3000> hostname: mysite-%ipaddress
[21:53] <harlowja> harmw u are doing the freebsd work right?