[17:50] <oerheks> and do not forget 'sync' after this.
[17:50] <bugzbunny> Yeah, because, it go straight to write cache but Linux usually flush on a proper shutdown
[17:51] <bugzbunny> I mean always*
[17:51] <EightBitTaco> Hello everyone, first time Linux user having trouble installing Ununtu
[17:51] <EightBitTaco> Ubuntu*
[17:51] <JimBuntu> Welcome EightBitTaco
[17:52] <JimBuntu> EightBitTaco, please post what you can, in detail, about the issue and if someone can help, they will. (please be patient)
[17:52] <EightBitTaco> So I'm installing it and I'm at the part where it is installing the 'grub2' package and a error pops up. "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into /target/. Without the GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot."
[17:53] <EightBitTaco> The ver. of Ubuntu I'm installing is 16.04
[17:54] <vladi__> hi guys, need some help here: trying to automatically eliminate hundreds of tabs, already tried the /t + regular expression via find&replace. Also the tools>auto correct>options strategy, this is a huge .pdf file which I copied and pasted into an .odt new file, I cannot eliminate the tabs in between lines which makes weird lines and paragraphs. help?
[17:54] <vladi__> libreoffice 6.0 on ubuntu
[17:55] <oerheks> EightBitTaco, maybe the UEFI manual is a help..
[17:55] <oerheks> !uefi
[17:55] <akik> vladi__: a tab is usually \t not /t
[17:55] <rud0lf> vladi__: it's \t not /t
[17:55] <ozbrk> hi guys I want to get award of idiot of the year
[17:55] <akik> :)
[17:55] <EightBitTaco> Thanks for the link oerheks I'll check it out
[17:56] <vladi__> akik, yeah, just checked, did it in the right way, still no luck
[17:56] <ozbrk> I wanted to install ubuntu 16.04 as dualboot but in order to do that I deleted the windows boot manager partition.  Ubuntu installation alerted me to there is a legacy boot partition on the system as expected.
[17:59] <bugzbunny> vladi__: For the most part, Ubuntu installer should install along side just fine
[17:59] <bugzbunny> I dualboot with Windows 10, Ubuntu, and Arch
[17:59] <bugzbunny> On a UEFI system
[17:59] <tobra_> bugzbunny oerheks thx… that worked!
[18:00] <vladi__> rud0lf,  yeah, just checked, did it in the right way, still no luck :)
[18:00] <vladi__> bugzbunny, I believe you meant to refer to someone else
[18:00] <bugzbunny> vladi__: My bad
[18:00] <bugzbunny> I mean ozbrk
[18:01] <akik> vladi__: setting find: \t and clicking regular expressions to selected works for me
[18:01] <PCatinean> Hey guys, how do I include a command in a bash script that will append anything after calling it?
[18:01] <akik> vladi__: try using find in find & replace
[18:02] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: is ther eany way to save windows from its current state
[18:02] <vladi__> akik, like I said I did, itz making me go crazy, I read all the wikis in the universe :/
[18:02] <PCatinean> any1?
[18:02] <akik> vladi__: find next doesn't find the next tab?
[18:03] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: What do you mean? The Windows Setup Recovery should work, just follow the steps, it won't delete those partitions, it will just make the system bootable again into Windows
[18:03] <nacc> PCatinean: can you rephrase? I don't really understand your question
[18:03] <PCatinean> I have a bash script does echo and I want to be able to call it with script world
[18:03] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: oh so all i need a wintoast stick
[18:03] <akik> vladi__: click on view/formatting marks to show them. a tab is a blue arrow pointing to right
[18:03] <tobra_> I cannot setup crypto+lvm alongside an existing windows?
[18:03] <PCatinean> I place it in /usr/local/bin it has the echo part and I want to be able to add bla bla bla bla after it
[18:04] <vladi__> akik, no, it doesn't, dunno why. It is the copy and paste from a .pdf file, any clue?
[18:04] <nacc> PCatinean: ok, your rephrase is not making it clearer :) let's start again
[18:04] <nacc> PCatinean: you have a script that echos a string, right?
[18:04] <akik> vladi__: can you see the arrows?
[18:04] <vladi__> akik, which arrows?
[18:04] <bugzbunny> tobra_: What do you mean? Just setup a Partition, crytro+lvm works on the partition
[18:04] <akik> vladi__: view/formatting marks. a tab is a blue arrow pointing to right
[18:04] <PCatinean> nacc, my script has just echo in it, nothing else
[18:05] <vladi__> akik, give me a sec
[18:05] <tobra_> bugzbunny the option to encrypt is grayed out unless, I decide to overwrite windows…
[18:05] <kostkon> PCatinean, there you go https://stackoverflow.com/q/192249/282546
[18:05] <PCatinean> and I want to be able to add as many paramaters/strings after it and I just want to concatenate the bash script + what I write after it
[18:05] <nacc> vladi__: are you on bionic? or using the snap?
[18:05] <nacc> PCatinean: well, then your script is ... wrong. YOu want to take the arguments to your script and echo them?
[18:05] <bugzbunny> tobra_: Huh, it might to ecrypt the entire disk, but I wouldn't know unless I test it myself
[18:05] <nacc> PCatinean: read `man bash`, specifically the bits about $@
[18:05] <leftyfb> PCatinean: $@
[18:06] <nacc> PCatinean: also, there's #bash (or ##bash)
[18:06] <vladi__> akik, these blue marks appeared at the end of every line
[18:06] <nacc> akik: i guess likewise for you, i believe libreoffice 6 is only in the snap and in bionic's deb
[18:06] <PCatinean> that was it leftyfb thank you
[18:06] <PCatinean> also nacc
[18:07] <vladi__> nacc, bionic? snap?
[18:07] <nacc> vladi__: you said libreoffice 6, right?
[18:07] <nacc> vladi__: what version of ubuntu are you on and how did you install libreoffice?
[18:09] <vladi__> I'm on a 16.04 and installed it manually via bash
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: 'manually' ?
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: you built it from source?
[18:09] <vladi__> yep
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: ... then you should ask libreoffice upstream, you're not using ubuntu packages
[18:09] <arij> hey, which amd drivers are best for graphics on ubuntu 17.10? im having texture issues with a game i recently installed
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: presuming you actually have the issue, and it's not some other problem
[18:09] <arij> also gpu is 270x
[18:09] <vladi__> nacc, I don't think itz got anything to do with that
[18:09] <nacc> vladi__: i have very little idea why you'd build something libreoffice yourself
[18:10] <vladi__> anyway I'm in the meantime already asking on libre
[18:10] <nacc> vladi__: well, akik can't reproduce it, and you're not using a supported version of libreoffice relative to this channel
[18:10] <nacc> vladi__: you could try the snap and see if it works
[18:10] <vladi__> k
[18:10] <vladi__> thx
[18:10] <tobra_> bugzbunny seems to "only" encrypt the home folder in this setup…
[18:11] <stevie> hey
[18:11] <stevie> i need to install libleptonica-dev 1.74 and xenial only has 1.73 - how can I get this?
[18:12] <bugzbunny> Installing Windows and Ubuntu in a VM is a bit time consuming for me tobra_, I don't know why the setup would/should interfer with other partitions
[18:12] <leftyfb> stevie: why do you think you need that version of that package?
[18:12] <bugzbunny> It might be some standard that Ubuntu must have set
[18:12] <stevie> because I need to compile a program
[18:12] <stevie> which uses 1.74
[18:13] <Elysium3301> Anyone know why Ubuntu 16.04 32 bit isn't compatible with UEFI?
[18:13] <bugzbunny> Double check if you are not making any mistakes
[18:13] <leftyfb> stevie: contact the developer of "a program". Or maybe find and compile libleptonica-dev manually
[18:14] <stevie> there is no way to use backports or something
[18:14] <tgm4883> stevie: how can you use something that doesn't exist?
[18:14] <stevie> it does exist in sid https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract
[18:14] <leftyfb> !info libleptonica-dev bionic
[18:14] <stevie> thats what im trying to compile
[18:15] <JimBuntu> stevie, http://www.leptonica.com/download.html then tar xvf it, cd to it, ./configure && make && sudo make install
[18:15] <tgm4883> stevie: there's no backport of libleptonica-dev 1.74 to xenial, so you'd have to do it yourself
[18:15] <leftyfb> stevie: what are you compiling?
[18:15] <stevie> i just linked it
[18:15] <stevie> its a OCR program
[18:16] <stevie> :( fine ill do it manually
[18:16] <nacc> stevie: tesseract is in ubuntu
[18:16] <nacc> stevie: why are you building it yourself?
[18:16] <nacc> JimBuntu: i would not generally recommend a user do a make install of a library unless they really know what they are doing
[18:16] <nacc> JimBuntu: becuase uninstalling it is non-trivial in the general case
[18:16] <nacc> JimBuntu: minimally, checkinstall is probably safer (it fakes a deb out of it)
[18:16] <JimBuntu> nacc, good point, good point.
[18:17] <stevie> because i need to change some things
[18:17] <nacc> stevie: you're being so vague that it's hard to know if you are doing it correctly. Presuing you need to change the latest tesseract, then you should set up a proper development environment
[18:17] <nacc> stevie: if you don't need the latest tesseract, use the one in ubuntu and modify it and build a new deb
[18:18] <stevie> our vm is dead
[18:18] <stevie> so im just doing it on my lapto[
[18:18] <stevie> laptop
[18:19] <tobra_> stevie does this work for you? https://github.com/openpaperwork/pyocr on debian it was pretty painless to set it up recently.
[18:20] <amosbird> hi, is there a way to generate shift-insert via one key by tweaking xkb  ?
[18:24] <A1Recon> lost the Unity top bar and dash after update. can access tty1. Please help.
[18:27] <lavinho> good afternoon
[18:27] <cheguacamole> What did the K stand for in KDE?
[18:27] <lavinho> how to enable scroll magic  2 apple on ubuntu
[18:27] <lavinho> ?
[18:28] <oerheks> cheguacamole, https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE nothing actually
[18:28] <oerheks> oops, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE
[18:28] <cheguacamole> thanks lol, glad i stopped looking
[18:31] <amar_> unable to install ubuntu on 240ssd with win10 and 200GB free space. Stuck in initramfs.
[18:32] <amar_> gigabyte z370m d3h
[18:33] <kostkon> A1Recon, try this:   dconf reset -f /org/compiz/   and  unity --reset-icons   then    rm -rf .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .config/ .gconfd/ .gconf/ .gnome/   and finally   sudo service lightdm restart
[18:34] <bugzbunny> amar_: Did you veriry the ISO and Veriry from Grub Menu?
[18:34] <A1Recon> error on first command... cannot autolaunch dbus without x11 display
[18:34] <oerheks> lavinho, i find no fix, https://askubuntu.com/questions/945741/apple-magic-mouse-2-scrolling-not-working/971071 nor on arch... https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=210091
[18:35] <bugzbunny> Is there a command for Ubuntu help guid on verify ISO
[18:35] <kostkon> A1Recon, you mean this? dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[18:35] <bugzbunny> !verify-iso
[18:35] <oerheks> !md5sum
[18:35] <A1Recon> kostkon yea
[18:36] <kostkon> A1Recon, ignore it for now
[18:36] <A1Recon> same error for the second command 'unity --reset-icons'
[18:38] <kostkon> A1Recon, what's your graphics card
[18:38] <A1Recon> nvidia
[18:39] <A1Recon> kostkon ^
[18:39] <kostkon> A1Recon, you could try reinstalling the driver
[18:39] <amar_> @buzzybunny check md5sum
[18:39] <A1Recon> kostkon the guest profile has the dash and top bar
[18:40] <amar_> @buzzybunny what to check in grub
[18:40] <kostkon> A1Recon, ok
[18:40] <A1Recon> so i dont think its related to the driver
[18:41] <bugzbunny> amar_: When the Ubuntu Installer boots, it has Verify you can select with up or down arrow
[18:41] <kostkon> A1Recon, try this instead  rm -r ~/.cache/compizconfig-1 ~/.compiz
[18:41] <bugzbunny> amar_: This is to check if the ISO was written to the ISO/USB properly
[18:41] <amar_> @bugzbunny shows erros of "acpi error method parse/execution failed"
[18:41] <amar_> then goes to initramfs
[18:42] <A1Recon> kostkon and then restart?
[18:42] <A1Recon> directly from tty1?
[18:42] <kostkon> A1Recon, you could try  sudo service lightdm restart
[18:43] <anx> Hello. Have any  of you encounter issues with the night light on Bionic *(w/ Dual Monitors)?
[18:44] <ducasse> !bionic | anx
[18:44] <bugzbunny> amar_: After you select to verify from Grub? Does it continue how does it get stuch there.... You can try osi=Linux on Kernel command line, hit 'e', scroll with the down arrow key till you see linux line, and append it there
[18:44] <amar_> @bugzbunny ill try this
[18:44] <bugzbunny> These days, you shouldn't need it, but it just tells BIOS that this is Linux
[18:45] <oerheks> amar_, check for bios updates for your mobo, and see the uefi manual what you need to disable https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI >  disable QuickBoot/FastBoot and Intel Smart Response Technology SRT )
[18:46] <amar_> @bugzbunny i get unable to fund medium containing a live file system
[18:46] <oerheks> and do not overclock
[18:46] <amar_> @bugzbunny will check it
[18:47] <bugzbunny> amar_: Read oerheks comments
[18:47] <TJ-> bugzbunny: not osi, "acpi_osi=" but kernel already tries =linux anyhow
[18:47] <tobra_> I get this error after completing an installation and hitting "raboot"… https://askubuntu.com/questions/984970/firmware-bug-tsc-deadline-disabled-due-to-errata-what-should-i-do-about-thi any hints?
[18:47] <bugzbunny> TJ-: Got it
[18:48] <tobra_> if I kill the machine and restart, I boot into Windows (instead of grub)
[18:50] <tomreyn> tobra_: use windows to install the latest bios update, try again
[18:51] <tobra_> how?
[18:51] <bh777> I have successfully mounted an NFSv3 directory. I can create a file on the client, and see it on the server and vice versa. However when www-data attempts to create a file it errors out with 'no locks available'. Is this an idmapd.conf issue?
[18:52] <tobra_> and I think I have uefi instead of bios.
[18:52] <tomreyn> tobra_: ok. the 'how' depends on your hardware, which model do you have?
[18:52] <oerheks> "how?" can be answered by the manual
[18:53] <oerheks> there is a project about bios updates, but old .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate
[18:53] <tobra_> tomreyn Acer TravelMate P658-G2-MG-5505
[18:54] <Mr_Pan> ciao
[18:54] <A1Recon> kostkon you are a genous... thanks dude
[18:54] <kostkon> A1Recon, np
[18:57] <tobra_> oerheks not really anything on that in the manual…
[18:58] <oerheks> tobra_, again: check the mobo manual
[18:58] <tomreyn> tobra_: https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/BIOS/BIOS/BIOS_Acer_1.21_A_A.zip?acerid=636378605177235197&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=TRAVELMATE&Step3=TRAVELMATE%20P658-MG&OS=ALL&LC=de&BC=ACER&SC=EMEA_8
[19:02] <tomreyn> tobra_: you'd find this on https://www.acer.com/ac/de/DE/content/support-product/6821?b=1
[19:05] <tobra_> which version should I go for? most recent one?
[19:05] <tobra_> (1.21)?
[19:05] <tomreyn> tobra_: this is all not really about ubuntu, but i'd normally suggest using the latest firmware, yes.
[19:06] <bugzbunny> Yes, one thing I dislike about BIOSes updates, they don't have complete changelogs
[19:06] <tobra_> well question would be: which one is compatible with ubuntu ;-)
[19:06] <bugzbunny> It's not about being compatible
[19:06] <bugzbunny> It's about the BIOS doing what it should be doing for any OS
[19:06] <tomreyn> tobra_: you'd ask your vendor for support on that. as long as it complies with the standards, it will work with ubuntu. the one you have now does not
[19:06] <bugzbunny> Right
[19:11] <tobra_> hm… guess that wasn't the right bios in the link.
[19:11] <oerheks> tobra_, latest version is 1.21, i would install that one
[19:11] <oerheks> * if you are not up2date
[19:12] <tobra_> sais it’s not compatible with the model.
[19:12] <oerheks> and the url from tomreyn gives that 1.21 version
[19:12] <tobra_> yes… that’s the one I was talking about.
[19:13] <BelaDona> hashbrowns
[19:14] <EriC^^> azizLIGHT: cool thanks for sharing
[19:14] <tobra_> well… I’m out of time now… thx for the suggestions though.
[19:14] <tomreyn> tobra_: if it's really the wrong model (i'm surprised), you should search yours at https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/drivers
[19:19] <ozbrk> hi guys I have a serious issue
[19:19] <ozbrk> ubuntu 16/04 never install grub
[19:20] <tomreyn> ozbrk: how do you know?
[19:20] <ozbrk> Ive tried many things and now Im on the live system due to keyboard mapping I cannot use marks
[19:21] <ozbrk> my problem is simply on this link https://askubuntu.com/questions/789998/16-04-new-installation-gives-grub-efi-amd64-signed-failed-installation-target
[19:22] <tomreyn> ozbrk: so this is an intel NIC?
[19:22] <ozbrk> grub efi couldnt been installed on target but there is an efi partition seperated and boot partition under the root partition aswell
[19:22] <ozbrk> tomreyn: what is NIC
[19:22] <tomreyn> * NUC
[19:22] <ozbrk> nope
[19:22] <BelaDona> my hashbrowns are always the same color
[19:23] <BelaDona> my hashbrowns are always the same color
[19:23] <oerheks> BelaDona, please keep this channel clear for ubuntu support, thanks
[19:24] <ozbrk> oh boy whole article is about the intel nuc I accidently deleted the windows boot manager partition in order to fix this
[19:24] <ozbrk> now windoes doesnt boot aswell
[19:24] <oerheks> ozbrk, boot your windows iso and fix it
[19:24] <BelaDona> i apologize i was stuck in a flood
[19:25] <ozbrk> I will but how do I install ubuntu if it resist to install grub partition
[19:25] <oerheks> ozbrk, see the uefi manual ?
[19:25] <oerheks> !uefi
[19:26] <tomreyn> disabling secureboot might also help
[19:32] <codebot_> what is nspluginwrapper?
[19:32] <leftyfb> http://nspluginwrapper.org/
[19:33] <leftyfb> codebot_: first result on google
[19:38] <Cyber_Akuma> Taking 10 hours to copy around 440GB... from a usb 2 device back to the same usb 2 device in a different partition.... is that normal?
[19:39] <Richard_Cavell> Cyber_Akuma, I get that kind of speed on my machine
[19:40] <bugzbunny> Is this SSD?
[19:40] <Tecan-> im getting notifications from facebook when its not even open... anyone know how to fix this ?
[19:40] <Tecan-> might be something with firefox
[19:40] <bugzbunny> Or a regular very LARGE flashdrive, or spin disk?
[19:40] <dax> my bet's on NTFS, personally
[19:40] <bugzbunny> Either way, you going to hit the USB interface bandwidth
[19:40] <bugzbunny> That too
[19:40] <bugzbunny> ntfs-3g is SLOW
[19:41] <dax> yup
[19:43] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: laptop mechanical hdd
[19:44] <Cyber_Akuma> from a ntfs partition to an exfat one
[19:44] <limbo_> Out of nowhere, my PC became unable to resolve DNS records. I'm running the latest ubuntu, and have no idea what might be wrong. (the wifi symbol in the top bar has a '?' over it) Running "service network-manager status" includes the warning "dispatcher: (11) 01-ifupdown failed (failed): Script '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01-ifupdown' exited with error status 1."
[19:44] <limbo_> Anyone know what might be going on?
[19:44] <james1138> Hello. Can I ask a question about Ubuntu 16.04 and Banshee media player here?
[19:45] <Exterminador> help! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jGDmPHWSmK/ <- does anyone knows if this is possible to solve without formatting the machine?
[19:45] <limbo_> I checked /etc/resolve.conf and it has "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" as its only uncommented entry.
[19:46] <limbo_> The wifi settings application shows the gateway and DNS as <IP_ADDRESS> as I'd expect.
[19:47] <bugzbunny> IIRC, NetworkManage uses DNSMASQ as a builtin DNS Resolver, for me it's <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:47] <gigantic> anyone know how to recover a botched grub loader?
[19:48] <ozbrk> oh I see what the hell is going on in order to install linux I need to repair the windows boot manager partition which was the efi partition first
[19:48] <bugzbunny> Firs
[19:48] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: remember what did I said to you I accidently deleted the partition
[19:48] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: It's not Windows Boot Manager Parttion
[19:48] <limbo_> bugzbunny: dnsmasq isn't installed on my system.
[19:48] <gigantic> ozbrk: sounds like you have the same or similarproblem as me!
[19:48] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: It was always EFI System Partition, just Windows display it that way
[19:49] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: I deleted the whole EFI partition now it is windows repair tools problem to retrive it
[19:49] <Exterminador> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S98zDHwMFk/ -> whats the error in line 456?? :x
[19:49] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: Otherwise it is imposible to perform a dualboot right
[19:50] <bugzbunny> limbo_: On UEFI system, you need EFI Partition Systerm Partitoin
[19:50] <james1138> Banshee will not start. It pops up and then crashes. Purging files and re-installing from scratch does not help.
[19:50] <bugzbunny> All UEFI bootloaders, including Windows Boot loader, get installed there
[19:50] <gigantic> bugzbunny: doesn't refind create that partition for you?
[19:51] <BelaDona>   17.362347] squashfs: SQUASHFS error: Filesystem uses "xz" compression. This is not supported
[19:51] <bugzbunny> gigantic: No, it's a FAT32 partition with a unique GPT UUID
[19:51] <BelaDona> i thinks its an error
[19:52] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: how much space do you need to be an efi partition and can windows bootloader be installed on a efi partition created by ubuntu (question mark)
[19:52] <BelaDona> i don't hear barking
[19:52] <BelaDona> excuse me
[19:52] <bugzbunny> All OSese share that EFI System partition
[19:52] <bugzbunny> As far as how big, I go with 100MB
[19:52] <ozbrk> gotcha
[19:53] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: First repair with Windows Recovery
[19:53] <BelaDona>    18.082858] EXT4-fs (vdb): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[19:53] <BelaDona> [ 3184.816738] Scheduler[3905]: segfault at 7f31f80001ac ip 00007f3303dc60b1 sp 00007f32e81a8d70 error 6 in libsqlite3.so.0.8.6[7f3303dab000+cf000]
[19:53] <BelaDona> [ 6313.706122
[19:53] <BelaDona> i think it added 4 zeros
[19:53] <bugzbunny> ozbrk: Windows Recovery will handle all that, in Ubuntu installer, make sure you slect the EFI System Partition as /boot/EFI
[19:55] <ozbrk> bugzbunny: roger I`ll try to find a windows usb stick first
[19:56] <bugzbunny> limbo_: You can edit /etc/resolv.conf and put the proper DNS IP
[19:56] <bugzbunny> Just keep in mind, you might lose ability for whatever that does DHCP, to update that file, if DNS IP every change... Especially for a laptop
[19:57] <bugzbunny> I don't know if remove it, than systemctl restart NetworkManager, and have it recreate that file works
[19:58] <leftyfb> limbo_: it looks like you're using your router for DNS. Which is fine, except what is your router using for DNS? That might be the problem. I would first put "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>" in your /etc/resolv.conf to test. If it works, then you know you have to change the DNS on your router to one that works
[19:58] <gigantic> bugzbunny: can you put that partition anywhere on any disk?
[19:58] <oerheks> do not edit /etc/resolv.conf  .. use /etc/resolv.conf.d/base and update with sudo resolvconf -u.
[19:59] <leftyfb> oerheks: it's only for debugging
[19:59] <oerheks> the last part should be included in /etc/resolv.conf
[19:59] <oerheks> leftyfb, oh, without reboot.. that could work for this session
[19:59] <leftyfb> oerheks: right, but it's only temporary. Once the problem is resolved (router side) a reboot will undo the edits
[20:00] <westpig> join
[20:01] <Cyber_Akuma> Using Ubuntu to copy around 440GB of data from a 54000 RPM Laptop HDD connected by USB 2.0 off a NTFS partition.... and back to itself on an exFat partition.... I guess I should consider myself LUCKY that it's only going to take 10 hours....
[20:02] <Cyber_Akuma> Had to install exFat support too since it's not includedin Ubuntu 17.10, I thought it was included since 16.04
[20:02] <bugzbunny> 5400 RPM is slow
[20:02] <tomreyn> 54000 RPM would be fast, but doesn't exist
[20:03] <tomreyn> USB 2.0 is very slow
[20:03] <gigantic> bugzbunny: can you put the system EFI partition anywhere on any disk?
[20:03] <Exterminador> nvm. i've solved my problem. :D
[20:04] <gigantic> bugzbunny: like, if i have 4 drives and 10 partitions i can put the efi partition anywhere?
[20:04] <bugzbunny> gigantic: You can
[20:04] <gigantic> nice
[20:04] <gigantic> thats aw3esome
[20:04] <bugzbunny> But just make sure, ie, grub-efi install it correctly
[20:04] <gigantic> bugzbunny: do you know how to get refind to point to the linux kernel?
[20:04] <Cyber_Akuma> would usb 3.0 even do anything for a 5400rpm drive over usb 2.0 anyway?
[20:05] <bugzbunny> I have Ubuntu UEFI bootloader on my Spin disk that boots Ubuntu off my SSD
[20:05] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ahhh, thats sort of where im stuck i think... you still need grub? you can't just boot ight to the kernel?
[20:05] <bugzbunny> You /need/ a bootloader, that's what loads the Kernel
[20:05] <limbo_> bugzbunny: Every time I restart network-manager it replaces the file with "nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>"
[20:06] <bugzbunny> I hear, the Kernel supports booting itself, correct me if I wrong...
[20:06] <limbo_> also have no idea why /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01-ifupdown is failing to run.
[20:06] <gigantic> i was under the impression that UEFI /waas/ the bootloader? and that grub and lilo etc are basically redundant?
[20:07] <gigantic> check this link out: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/146784/is-grub-the-best-bootloading-solution-is-there-an-easier-alternative/146803#146803
[20:07] <bugzbunny> No, UEFI (BIOS) does the POST, then it hands it over to a Bootloader, that than hands it over to the Kernel
[20:07] <bugzbunny> There is a Wikipedia article that explains the BOOTING process
[20:07] <bh777_> How would I go about setting up nfslock? The tutorial I was following doesn't mention it. ps aux | grep nfslock shows that it isn't running and i'm pretty sure this is my problem
[20:09] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, yes, i know what you mean now. i think they call it a stubloader [booting from the kernel]
[20:09] <dax> gigantic: it's entirely possible to have UEFI boot into Linux directly without going through GRUB, yes. I don't know of any distros that actually do that because the user interface for configuring UEFI tends to be a pain in the butt and it doesn't hurt anything
[20:09] <dax> but yes, it works and i've done it personally
[20:09] <dax> doesn't hurt anything to have GRUB*
[20:10] <gigantic> dax: gotcha, thanks. would it just be easier to fix the grub cfg than to try and load directly from efi?
[20:10] <oliv_____> I have a brand new ec2 instance. I want to install an x11 that would make it easy to use a UI of software. I was thiking of just setting up a vnc.  Anyone have other ideas?
[20:11] <oliv_____> x11 is just too slow
[20:11] <bugzbunny> You should need to fix /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:11] <gigantic> im thinking that eventually grub etc will just stop being used once people are familiar with uefi
[20:11] <gigantic> it seems pretty simple, and more robust of a solution
[20:11] <bugzbunny> update-grub aka grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg should work.. If you need to add stuff
[20:12] <bugzbunny> edit /etc/default/grub, if it's more complex, I believe the is /etc/grub.d
[20:12] <gigantic> bugzbunny: can you do that from a liveusb? or do you need to chroot?
[20:12] <onio1>  I started an access point network with create_ap "./create_ap wlan0 eth0 MyAccessPoint MyPassPhrase" the eth0 is <IP_ADDRESS> and the wlan0 is on <IP_ADDRESS>. I would like to talk to <IP_ADDRESS> from another device on <IP_ADDRESS> how can I do this
[20:13] <bugzbunny> There should be Ubuntu guide on repair grub
[20:13] <bugzbunny> !repair-grub
[20:13] <gigantic> ive never really messed with grub. im not too worried about losing anything on the disk, but i don't want to brick it or anything. is that even possible?
[20:13] <bugzbunny> It's painless
[20:13] <gigantic> thats a relief
[20:13] <Bluerate> hello all, i installed vpnc on ubuntu 16.04, but how to make it work for firefox with hotspot shield?
[20:13] <gigantic> having a hard time understanding many of the explanations ive come across though
[20:14] <gigantic> doesn't hel;p that they're all different
[20:14] <bugzbunny> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[20:14] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[20:14] <jnamldk> when i keepassx snappy, i get this error "cannot create lock directory /run/snapd/lock: Permission denied";  seems AppArmor fails to create the desired paths, any workaroud?
[20:14] <CountryfiedLinux> Do PS3 controllers work by default in Ubuntu?
[20:14] <acovrig> I’m on ubuntu 16.04 and must be doing something wrong, I do sudo snap install conjure-up and it says it’s installed, but zsh can’t find conjure-up in my path, shouldn’t snap add it to a standard /*/bin path?
[20:14] <gigantic> bugzbunny: thanks!
[20:14] <westpig>  I am lookin for a friend to help me with ma Ubuntu notebook
[20:15] <tomreyn> onio1: different networks, you'll need a router
[20:15] <acovrig> I see it in /snap/conjure-up/973/bin/conjure-up but why isn’t it in my PATH?
[20:16] <tomreyn> oliv_____: use text instead? if you really want a *graphical* UI, use X with x2go
[20:16] <cheguacamole> westpig define Help?
[20:16] <oliv_____> ok thanks let me look at that.
[20:17] <onio1> Hi tomreyn: both network are running on the same PC. I can talk to a <IP_ADDRESS> from the <IP_ADDRESS> device but not from the other way round
[20:17] <oliv_____> In the past I just did x11 but it was slow so thanks.
[20:17] <Bluerate> Could you help please on how to install vpn?
[20:19] <acovrig> nevermind, https://askubuntu.com/questions/895030/conjure-up-exception-could-not-determine-juju-version solved my problem
[20:22] <Goop> Are there Oauth server packages for Ubuntu, or is Oauth just a concept, and you have to make your own application?
[20:25] <bugzbunny> onio1: Check your subnet mask
[20:27] <onio1> bugzbunny: ah I forgot about that because I am using <IP_ADDRESS> instead on <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:28] <TheWild> hello
[20:28] <TheWild> testing 17.10.1. Why the hell switching between tty's is so problematic in 17.10.1?
[20:28] <tgm4883> TheWild: how is it problematic?
[20:29] <Wolf_Y> Heyoo, is anyone online ?
[20:29] <Wolf_Y> i would like to ask some noobish questions !
[20:29] <akik> TheWild: they changed the gui to be behind f1
[20:30] <Wolf_Y> I am running ubuntu server 17.10 on hyper-v manager and i cant get the static ip to work
[20:30] <TheWild> Since X is now on tty1, I switch to tty2, do stuff here, logout. It switches me back to tty1 (I didn't press Ctrl+Alt+F1), and neither mouse nor keyboard work from now.
[20:30] <Wolf_Y> I tried configuring my adapter as well as the netplan,yaml
[20:31] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: did you setup the network interface in hyperv to be a bridged interface?
[20:31] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: What do mean?
[20:31] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb: hmm i did not
[20:31] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y: In Hyper-V, what network is the adapter connected to?
[20:32] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  to default adapter
[20:32] <bugzbunny> No, what Network
[20:32] <bugzbunny> There is host, bridge, and another one
[20:32] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  let me check
[20:32] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: configure it as a bridged interface to your network
[20:33] <TheWild> on 16.04.3 it was behind F7, and it sucked sometimes that is: when X was stopped and I switched to tty7, I got a black screen and OS not listening to keyboard/mouse anymore. Couldn't switch to other tty.
[20:33] <bugzbunny> For bridge, you need to create a Network for that, and reboot Windows
[20:33] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  how can i check to what network i am connected
[20:33] <bugzbunny> Uh, let me get the guid
[20:34] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: you should be asking in #windows for this part no
[20:34] <leftyfb> now*
[20:34] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  i can only see the network switch in adapter settings
[20:34] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: you should be asking in #windows for this part now
[20:34] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb:  im preatty surre that i dont know how to configure my network inside ubuntu
[20:34] <bugzbunny> Up
[20:34] <bugzbunny> Yeah, it's off-topic
[20:34] <skinux> What is the Ubuntu equivelant of ptrace?
[20:35] <Wolf_Y> bugzbunny:  where should i ask
[20:35] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y: step #1, configure the bridge interface in Windows.... then come back once that's done
[20:35] <Wolf_Y> leftyfb: alright, ill try and do that
[20:36] <gigantic> bugzbunny: hrmmm, i seem to have 2 efi system partitions [according to gparted]. does this cause a conflict?
[20:37] <bugzbunny> Per EFI spec, you can't have two EFI System Partitions on the same disk
[20:37] <bugzbunny> If they are on different disk, that's okay
[20:37] <gigantic> although i think i booted into refind [say, efi part1] and it seems to have an entry that loaded into an old refit partition [efi part2]
[20:38] <rud0lf> "duuh" knowlege level here.. i own vps server. being really newbie about it. how do i set ssh logging successes and fails, also sudo successes and fails into certain file?
[20:38] <rud0lf> or at last parse it with regex per line?
[20:38] <gigantic> bugzbunny: they are definitely on seperate dissk... do they have a hierarchy defined in the mobo firmware or something? [ie the bios pointing to one of the efi partitions]
[20:38] <bugzbunny> No
[20:38] <rud0lf> i remember auth.log but i'm not sure if i should start there
[20:39] <gigantic> bugzbunny: so it just takes the first one installed in the hdd array?
[20:39] <rud0lf> or is it a ##linux question?
[20:39] <bugzbunny> The UEFI (BIOS) will scan the disk for ESP, if not already defined in the firmware
[20:39] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ahh ok, i think i know what you mean
[20:39] <bugzbunny> CMOS clear or Reset to defaults in BIOS
[20:39] <bugzbunny> Should reset whatever is stored in the UEFI Firmware
[20:40] <Wolf_Y_> Alright, i have made a bridge between my pc net adapter nad hyper-v one
[20:40] <Wolf_Y_> whats the next step
[20:40] <skinux> Will tcptrace work for ptrace?
[20:40] <bugzbunny> Step #2, attach the adapter to the bridge interface
[20:41] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, i thought that after POST [bios] the uefi gets loaded [bios part2], and somewhere in there [which you're saying is cmos?] the esp gets defined [pointing to the uefi partition to load]
[20:41] <bugzbunny> Do a complete shutdown of the VM and restart.. From that part on, you need to make sure you IP configuration is correct
[20:41] <nacc> skinux: what do you mean?
[20:41] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny: alright, ill try and do that now
[20:41] <bugzbunny> gigantic: UEFI and BIOS are one of the same
[20:42] <skinux> Someone in #nginx told me to use ptrace for troubleshooting. But I cannot find ptrace. I can, however, find tcptrace
[20:42] <gigantic> bugzbunny: i get it. just for lack of a better understanding i'm trying to find out where the esp gets invoked.
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: ptrace and tcptrace are unrelated, i'd assume
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: ptrace is a syscall
[20:42] <nacc> skinux: used by strace, etc.
[20:42] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny: i should attach both adapter to the bridge interface, or just the hyper-v one
[20:43] <bugzbunny> gigantic: esp doesn't get invoke, it UEFI (BIOS) scans for esp, mounts the partition, than looks for a efi bootloader
[20:43] <leftyfb> skinux: do you get a basic website when going to the ip of your nginx server?
[20:43] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y_: The VM one
[20:43] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny:  alright
[20:43] <leftyfb> skinux: also, do you have a VERY basic plan html page to serve up to test?
[20:44] <skinux> If I go to localhost IP, I get it works page, for my site I get 403 forbidden. 'localhost' I get blank pages
[20:44] <leftyfb> skinux: I take it your site is php based?
[20:44] <skinux> Yeah.
[20:44] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, as a best practice, is it better to have your ufi partition on one disk for the whole system, or keep a ufi partition on each disk [so you can, say, load it into another comp] and point then point to it
[20:44] <leftyfb> wait, I thought you said when you go to localhost you get "it works". Then you said you get blank pages
[20:45] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny:  alright, the hyper-v adapter is attached to the bridge,whats the next step
[20:45] <gigantic> bugzbunny: i'm basically trying to clean up and reinstall a triple boot here
[20:45] <bugzbunny> gigantic: You can do whatever you want, you just can't two esp on the same disk
[20:45] <skinux> If I go to <IP_ADDRESS>/ I get it works page, if I go to localhost/ etc then I get blank pages
[20:45] <skinux> Hold on.
[20:45] <bugzbunny> It will confused the BIOS
[20:45] <skinux> Yeah, that's how it is.
[20:45] <BelaDona> is this a wireless router issue
[20:46] <BelaDona> maybe you need to update your port preference
[20:46] <leftyfb> BelaDona: no
[20:46] <bugzbunny> Wolf_Y_: In the VM, make sure your IP configuration is correct
[20:46] <Wolf_Y_> bugzbunny: so i need to configure the netplan now, am i right ?
[20:46] <leftyfb> skinux: how are you browsing to localhost on your server?
[20:47] <bugzbunny> I don't know what 'netplan' is
[20:47] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: yes
[20:47] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan
[20:47] <skinux> essentially, http://localhost/
[20:47] <leftyfb> skinux: with what browser?
[20:47] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright, thanks ill do that now, but im also wondering if i can change the ipv4 stuff in the bridge now
[20:48] <descuidado> hello, upon installing ubuntu, my uefi boot menu added the next entries, ubuntu, ubuntu and UEFI_OS, is there any way i can see what these do? and why is there a duplicate ubuntu menu?
[20:48] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: there should be no ip address configuration in your bridge config in hyperv.  Now you just need to install php and enable it in nginx properly
[20:50] <skinux> I have PHP-FPM and PHP 7 installed.
[20:50] <ConsoleFx> vlt, sorry to bother you once again. I made some slight tweaks in the existing code logic and now its a tuple object and the code logic would fail (of course) now since the index gets changed now. Is there any way I can still make it work against (result2).
[20:50] <ConsoleFx> Example code: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mph7tDvzH6/
[20:51] <leftyfb> skinux: is nginx configured for php?
[20:51] <skinux> Well, that's what I've been trying to properly do, but I have no log data to help.
[20:51] <ConsoleFx> please ignore. pasted here wrongly. Wanted to post in python in-stead
[20:52] <bugzbunny> gigantic: ooo, the ecrypted fs, if you can uncrypt it
[20:53] <leftyfb> skinux: http://matthewwittering.com/blog/ubuntu-tips/php-error-messages.html
[20:53] <leftyfb> skinux: try following that, changing up php5 for 7 and apache for nginx
[20:54] <diamond_> hello
[20:54] <bugzbunny> With Nginx
[20:54] <bugzbunny> You need to make sure fpm config is setup properly, I'll post mine
[20:54] <skinux> You mean downgrade?
[20:55] <leftyfb> skinux: no
[20:55] <diamond_> hello anyone there
[20:55] <leftyfb> skinux: when it asks to change something for php5, do it for php7
[20:55] <leftyfb> !ask | diamond_
[20:56] <diamond_> ubottu why ?
[20:56] <diamond_> whats the best distro for gaming?
[20:57] <leftyfb> diamond_: that is not an appropriate question here. You can use google though.
[20:57] <oerheks> diamond_, you ask that in #ubuntu?? lolz ..
[20:58] <oerheks> !flavors | pick one..
[20:58] <bugzbunny> skinux: https://hastebin.com/pawevuwohi.nginx
[20:58] <BelaDona> what is a program called jaws?
[20:58] <diamond_> ik its a wired question but i use alot of linux
[20:58] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright it seem to be working now, i updated my netplan.yaml and when i check my ip using ip addr show, i can see the correct one there now but when i  try to ping google.com i can see that the packets are sent using the ip i dont want, what should i do now ?
[20:58] <diamond_> im still a basic user
[20:58] <diamond_> but dose that make a diffrence?
[20:59] <leftyfb> Wolf_Y_: that's a hyperv issue. Enable mac spoofing in the advanced settings of your network card in hyperv settings
[20:59] <skinux> That has nothing to do with PHP versions
[21:00] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: alright ill do that now, thanks for all the help
[21:00] <leftyfb> skinux: the link I gave you tells you to edit a file which most certainly relates to a specific version of php which you need to swap out with the version you're using
[21:00] <bugzbunny> skinux: You might run into problems if fastcgi is not setup properly
[21:00] <diamond_> but dose anyone know best distro for gaming
[21:00] <bugzbunny> skinux: I am not your enemy, just helping
[21:00] <skinux> Okay
[21:00] <leftyfb> diamond_: Ubuntu has games. You can play games on it. That is the extent of this conversation. Please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:01] <diamond_> :(ok
[21:02] <skinux> Okay, replaced that. But I still get blank pages
[21:03] <leftyfb> skinux: anything in any of your nginx logs?
[21:04] <bugzbunny> The thing with blank pages with PHP
[21:04] <bugzbunny> Is PHP by default doesn't echo errors output, goto your php.ini, since it's dev, to display_errors
[21:05] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: you mean exactly like I told him to do and he just confirmed doing?
[21:05] <bugzbunny> hahaha
[21:05] <Wolf_Y_> leftyfb: thanks once again, working like a charm, also big thanks to bugzbunny  <3
[21:06] <skinux> No, I'm not getting anything to logs still
[21:06] <BelaDona> khan-sioux
[21:07] <nacc> BelaDona: please stop with the random text. Stick to support topics in this channel.
[21:07] <leftyfb> skinux: is there a /etc/php7/nginx/php.ini and if so, is that the one you edited?
[21:07] <BelaDona> sorry wrong chat
[21:11] <leftyfb> ok, i'm out. probably for the night
[21:13] <Guest63028> hi i am a problem
[21:13] <gigantic> bugzbunny: ok, hit a snag in the first part ;p can't mount the encrypted fs, but the ext4 part is mounting with what appears to be a bunch of kernels and ufi folder etc... problem is "mount: /mnt/dev: mount point does not exist." when binding directories and i guess because of that, cannot chroot?
[21:16] <animeskirt>  i am running into problems trying to mount my harddrive from within ubuntu
[21:17] <Guest63028> How To Get Ubuntu To Boot Before Windows?
[21:18] <BelaDona> do you have a dual bios?
[21:19] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: Show the channel - in a pastebin - what you are working with ' sudo parted -l ' .
[21:19] <Guest63028> a am: windows 10 , ubuntu
[21:21] <animeskirt> Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/cityman/Storage: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "/dev/sda1" "/media/cityman/Storage"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[21:21] <animeskirt> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[21:21] <animeskirt> Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': Operation not permitted
[21:21] <animeskirt> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[21:21] <animeskirt> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[21:21] <animeskirt> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[21:21] <kostkon> !paste | animeskirt, for when you come out of quiet
[21:22] <animeskirt> oops
[21:23] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: Can you take the systems advise and connect the drive to a Windows machine and then cleanly unmount it ?
[21:23] <animeskirt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CPd83sP2SP/
[21:24] <animeskirt> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yxmGBBrqtc/
[21:27] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: And the 1000GB (sda) drive is the one with the issues ? You boot the 2nd (sdb) drive with no issues ?
[21:28] <animeskirt> yes the SSD is accessible
[21:28] <animeskirt> the NTFS one is not
[21:29] <animeskirt> and i am not running windows like is mentions
[21:29] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: On the SSD is also a Windows install. can you boot that Windows and from there run a Window's file system check on the 1st drive ?
[21:30] <animeskirt> i can reboot into windows yes
[21:32] <Bashing-om> animeskirt: Then, from Windows, see what Windows thinks of the 1st drive . See if you can mount it .. and then "cleanly" unmount it .
[21:32] <rud0lf> hello. i'm a newborn admin of ubuntu server, is there a survey i could read about security considerations? how to protect, audit, etc?
[21:32] <rud0lf> so my server won't be an open wound
[21:32] <Guest63028> I reinstalled my windows 10 and lost myself cannot start
[21:32] <Guest63028> https://www.google.bg/search?q=ubuntu+bios&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF_uSAqPnZAhWkYJoKHY_0CeUQ_AUICigB&biw=1301&bih=678#imgrc=D0qqP6pX3iTQBM:
[21:32] <Guest63028> help
[21:33] <DF3D2> you lost yourself ?
[21:33] <animeskirt> ok I will attempt that and come back
[21:34] <DF3D2> i guess you better go to tibet, become a zen monk and find yourself
[21:35] <tomreyn> rud0lf: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security
[21:35] <rud0lf> thank you kindly
[21:36] <Guest63028> i dont now speak english very good
[21:37] <tomreyn> !bg | Guest63028
[21:47] <Guest63028> can not enter ubuntu menu when restart Win10
[21:48] <oerheks> hold shift @ boot to enter grub menu, Guest63028
[21:48] <oerheks> !grub
[21:51] <bmomjian> I am on Ubuntu 16.04.  What is the recommended way to mount NFS volumes that are only intermittently connected?  Pre 16.04, a simple mount command allowed such functionality, but in 16.04 I need to use x-systemd.automount to cause automounting, but if the host is not connectable, it hangs 'df' and my desktop when I try to access the menu.
[22:00] <Wolf_Y> Hi, once again im here to ask for help, is anyone avaible..
[22:01] <timeless> bmomjian: https://serverfault.com/questions/263149/is-there-a-flag-i-can-pass-to-either-df-or-mount-to-make-them-display-result might be interesting
[22:01] <nacc> bmomjian: and you don't know whether you would need the nfs mountpoint or not?
[22:02] <bmomjian> Uh, yes, that helps for df but the big problem is hanging my desktop.
[22:02] <bmomjian> I have the NFS volumes in my Places folder so as soon as I click to see the desktop menu, I am hung.
[22:02] <nacc> bmomjian: i ask that because you can use autofs (iirc)
[22:03] <bmomjian> I am thinking x-systemd messed this up somehow but I am confused as few people seem to report this problem.
[22:03] <timeless> out of curiosity, are you using `noauto` w/ your systemd stuff?
[22:03] <bmomjian> I am thinking I do need autofs, but oddly I didn't need it in the past.  Is this expected?
[22:03] <bmomjian> yes, I used noauto with x-systemd.automount
[22:04] <bmomjian> Mount options are: async,soft,noauto,x-systemd.automount
[22:04] <timeless> archlinux tends to be my friend when dealing w/ systemd -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fstab  -- it suggests a timeout flag
[22:04] <timeless>  x-systemd.device-timeout=
[22:04] <bmomjian> I have tried this too: async,soft,noauto,x-systemd.automount,x-systemd.device-timeout=10
[22:04] <bmomjian> I don't see timeo in the docs anymore so I never tried that.  Does that work?
[22:05] <timeless> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html mentions x-systemd.device-timeout
[22:05] <timeless> or rather x-systemd.mount-timeout=
[22:06] <bmomjian> I had not seen _netdev before
[22:06] <timeless> oh, yeah, i've used _netdev on some of mine
[22:06] <timeless> lemme look at mine, i have sshfs(fuse)
[22:06] <bmomjian> I can test _netdev, of course
[22:07] <timeless> the ones i'm using (for sshfs-fuse) are defaults,noauto,_netdev,x-systemd.automount
[22:07] <bmomjian> oh, OK, let me test _netdev.  That one is new for me.
[22:08] <Gavin> no
[22:08] <bmomjian> I will try without the timeout
[22:08] <TheWild> running 16.04.4 now. Yeah, it talks better to my graphics card.
[22:09] <timeless> my system is a bunch of daemons that talk to eachother, i thankfully don't have an X or equivalent thing, but hopefully this is helpful
[22:09] <tomreyn> bmomjian: how about a "soft" mount?
[22:09] <bmomjian> I am using 'soft'.  Didn't seem to help.
[22:09] <TheWild> will be back
[22:09] <bmomjian> It feels like systemd doesn't understand mount options in the same way the old system did.
[22:09] <timeless> in my case, iirc _netdev helped w/ boot order and making things less insane
[22:10] <bmomjian> great
[22:10] <timeless> systemd definitely has a much different view of the world
[22:10] <tomreyn> oh didnt notice. yes _netdev might help with th einital mount
[22:10] <bmomjian> Yes, I am sure.  It feels like it doesn't get the 'soft' hint.
[22:10] <timeless> in systemd's view, by default, any entry in /etc/fstab is a *mandatory* entry
[22:10] <bmomjian> At least on this OS version.
[22:10] <bmomjian> ah
[22:10] <timeless> as opposed to one view of the world where "fstab" has a bunch of "advisory" / "quick access" mountable items
[22:10] <bmomjian> so goes _netdev help there?
[22:11] <tomreyn> 'soft' is for when the connection goes away later
[22:11] <bmomjian> I have had to edit fstab every time I go in and out of my home network, not fun.
[22:11] <timeless> well, for fuse, w/o _netdev, the mount tried to come before the nework
[22:11] <bmomjian> timereyn, good point
[22:11] <timeless> and systemd got very unhappy
[22:11] <timeless> _netdev especially helped systemd understand not to even bother trying until the network appeared
[22:11] <bmomjian> I seem to boot fine, though early on I do remember some hangs occasionally on boot and shutdown.
[22:12] <timeless> i haven't look too closely to be able to say if these flags represent a single thing in systemd or multiple things
[22:12] <mason> Hey all. I'm curious... My wife just hit an odd bug, and it appears to match 1474927, 1578830, and 1652451, which are evidently duplicates of each other and all still open/unresolved. Anyone familiar with this?
[22:12] <mason> Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8
[22:12] <bmomjian> timeless:  I will need 30 minutes to test and will report back here.
[22:13] <timeless> i'll hopefully be gone, but good luck
[22:13] <bmomjian> OK, thanks much.
[22:13] <timeless> tuning systemd is was a steep learning curve for me, although, in the long run, the system is imo easier to read/understand for it than the old stuff
[22:14] <timeless> so, while it's painful, over time, i'm learning to appreciate it
[22:14] <timeless> and the more i use it, the easier it is to apply things elsewhere
[22:14] <mason> Stockholm syndrome. :)
[22:14] <rosco_y> how can I set my desktop to a solic color?
[22:15] <timeless> mason: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Terminal/FAQ ?
[22:15] <bmomjian> timeless:  Yes, that was my opinion too, though I have not take the time to study it.
[22:16] <timeless> mason: specifically, https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Terminal/FAQ#Exit_status_8
[22:16] <timeless> (and, if that works, it might be worth commenting in the launchpad issues...)
[22:17] <oerheks> solution for locale issue: https://askubuntu.com/a/651169
[22:17] <mason> timeless: I'll go give it a try and will comment. Thank you for the link.
[22:17] <timeless> mason: and oerheks has a link to the fix
[22:18] <mason> Oddly, this is a fairly new install of Xenial and totally vanilla, but I'll explore.
[22:18] <timeless> based on the fact that the faq lists individual exit codes, it feels like the gnome-terminal carefully defined individual exit codes for individual cases, which is fairly impressive...
[22:18] <mason> Hrm, pretty sure we've never mucked with locales on the box, but this all seems reasonable.
[22:18] <mason> Yes.
[22:19] <mason> I'll go fetch her laptop and see what's set now.
[22:20] <MarceeZ> Hello i have 2GB RAM but linux ubuntu 16.04 is lagging
[22:21] <MarceeZ> Maybe there is better desktop environemt and lighter for ram?
[22:21] <MarceeZ> How about KDE - plasma?
[22:21] <wxza> When the new LTS version comes out will an apt dist-upgrade be enough or will it have to be completely reinstalled?
[22:22] <mason> wxza: You'll be able to upgrade.
[22:22] <wxza> Awesome
[22:24] <sdfsdf> hey
[22:24] <sdfsdf> why is snapcraft.io down
[22:24] <sdfsdf> Also can I put my entire LAMP stack into a Snap?
[22:24] <timeless> wxza: personally, i've been using do-release-upgrade
[22:24] <timeless> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[22:25] <wxza> timeless, what's the difference?
[22:25] <timeless> "The recommended way to upgrade a Server Edition installation is to use the do-release-upgrade utility."
[22:25] <timeless> "it's recommended"? :-)
[22:25] <dax> do-release-upgrade does additional checks
[22:26] <dax> dist-upgrade is not really officially supported, though it usually works
[22:26] <wxza> Thanks - didn't know that was a thing until now :P
[22:26] <sdfsdf> I didn't eitehr
[22:26] <timeless> i'm not sure how old it is, i've only started using it fairly recently
[22:26] <mason> https://serverfault.com/questions/322810/whats-the-difference-between-apt-get-dist-upgrade-and-do-release-upgrade
[22:26] <sdfsdf> I'm thinking about using snaps for my server as they're simplier
[22:26] <dax> sdfsdf: #snappy may be useful, if you don't get an answer here
[22:27] <mason> So, it looks like you don't have to edit your sources.list to point to the new release with do-release-upgrade - it'll do it for you.
[22:27] <timeless> which reminds me, i just did a do-release-upgrade today, i need to run whichever thing it was to restore my disabled repos
[22:27] <wxza> Oh awesome
[22:27] <hggdh> wxza: the only way an "apt update && apt full-upgrade" would work for moving from release "A" to a release "B" would be to replace the repositories. And, then, you will miss any special handling that would be performed by do-release-upgrade
[22:27] <mason> timeless: So, FWIW, gnome-terminal won't start with LANG=C. Go figure.
[22:27] <timeless> yeah, ubuntu really is making things much shinier :)
[22:28] <timeless> mason: can't say i'm terribly surprised
[22:28] <oerheks> https://docs.snapcraft.io/snaps/ works, mainpage gives an error indeed
[22:28] <timeless> anyone happen to remember the magic to deal w/ the disabled repositories? do-release-upgrade told me before it started, but that session is long gone...
[22:30] <wxza> Is there a way to set Xfce up to how it is supposed to look by default without manually changing it all? (Xubuntu machine)
[22:31]  * timeless manually deals w/ /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list (all 1 file, easy...)
[22:32] <ptytty> anyone read PoC || GTFO?
[22:32] <oerheks> wxza, remove the ~/.config/ folder, logout & login again
[22:33] <wxza> It's that simple?
[22:33] <mason> That'll kill other configs too, although who knows if there's anything worth saving in there.
[22:34] <wxza> mason, If I did it I'd probably back it up to another dir instead of deleting it just incase it did break anything
[22:34] <mason> Locallt, I see configs for several non-desktop things in there. wxza: Maybe take a quick look to see.
[22:34] <mason> yeah
[22:34] <oerheks> it will be all default, as you asked for
[22:35] <oerheks> ( the config folder will be recreated, don't worry)
[22:35] <mason> oerheks: He wanted XFCE to be default. Only. From what he said.
[22:35] <wxza> Yeah, I know how to change things myself but I was just wondering if I can get it to default and go from there rather than changing things one-by-one
[22:36] <oerheks> you might want to remove ~/.cache/ too..
[22:36] <wxza> Alright
[22:38] <gigantic> can anyone help with thishttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zj9NXDm5cX/
[22:39] <wxza> Shouldn't you grub-install to a dir /dev/sdc is mounted on and not /dev/sdc itself?
[22:40] <timeless> gigantic: did you rename a volgroup at some point? :)
[22:40] <gigantic> wxza: that's a good question. not according to http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[22:40] <Jordan_U> gigantic: You didn't bind mount /dev/, and more importantly you didn't mount /mnt/boot/efi (your EFI System Partition). Least important, there should be no device argument to grub-install when installing for UEFI, as there is no boot sector. So just "sudo grub-install".
[22:40] <mason> timeless: I annotated the three bugs I mentioned and I credited you with the find.
[22:41] <mason> Thanks again.
[22:41] <gigantic> wxza: and i think i'm only half understanding what you're saying... let me investigate. unless you can shed some more light
[22:41] <timeless> cool
[22:41] <Jordan_U> gigantic: You also don't need --recheck.
[22:41] <mason> o/
[22:41] <gigantic> Jordan_U: does it make a difference that i'm using a liveusb?
[22:42] <wxza> gigantic, A simple way to understand is like how you can't use a USB using the /dev/sdx its given, it gets mounted then you use its dir (/media/...)
[22:42] <gigantic> timeless: ummm, i don't think i did explicitly, but it had something to do with decrypting a vol before trying to mount it
[22:43] <gigantic> wxza: is that the case even if you're already chroot on the media?
[22:43] <Jordan_U> gigantic: If you were booted from your working system rather than a LiveUSB then you woundn't need to do any extra mounting or chrooting, it would just be "sudo grub-install".
[22:43] <wxza> gigantic, pretty sure, yeah
[22:43] <Jordan_U> gigantic: grub-install completely ignores device arguments when installing for UEFI.
[22:44] <timeless> gigantic: fwiw, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/417786/cannot-grub-install-recover-grub2-after-repair-install-windows10-on-nvme-ssd-o has "just for anybody who is interested. In the end i reset all my settings in the UEFI setup after rebooting and voila the grub menu appeared. ;-) – aerioeus Jan 20 at 13:29"
[22:44] <gigantic> Jordan_U: ok, so i did some mounting. had to use udisksctl to mount the encrypted vol
[22:44] <timeless> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/320014/grub-install-error-cannot-find-efi-directory
[22:45] <gigantic> then i chroot into the mounted vol
[22:45] <timeless> specifically suggests mounting the /boot folder into the chroot
[22:45]  * timeless isn't sure that's the right thing for the problem, but it sounds familiar
[22:45] <wxza> gigantic, Pretty sure I'm wrong given the link timeless put in chat lol
[22:46] <Jordan_U> gigantic: I need to leave. You *need* to mount your EFI System Partition to /mnt/boot/efi/, you also *need* to bind mount /dev to /mnt/dev/ with either of those missing grub-install will not work from your chroot.
[22:46] <gigantic> so you're saying, because i'm chroot terminal is considering me root from that filesystem yeah? and that is why i don't need to /define/  sdc?
[22:46]  * timeless shrugs
[22:46] <timeless> i still have one or two systems where i need to do some fun chroot/pivot magic for
[22:46]  * timeless hasn't gotten around to them
[22:46] <wxza> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing Look through this and see if you missed something
[22:46] <timeless> (specifically, converting a RHEL-6 (??) system into ubuntu)
[22:47] <timeless> (remotely, w/o console access... -- that's going to be so much fun)
[22:47] <gigantic> timeless: yeah, essentially i'm learning all about efi at the same time as all this other stuff
[22:47] <timeless> (i'm trying to earn browny points in advance for when i actually need help w/ that adventure)
[22:47] <oerheks> converting rhel to ubuntu.. really?
[22:47] <timeless> gigantic: fun.
[22:47] <timeless> oerheks: I have 2 disks, they're equivalent, one's in use, the other is empty
[22:48] <gigantic> Jordan_U: thanks!
[22:48] <timeless> basically, "install ubuntu to disk#2, convince the boot loader to try to boot it, and fall back to booting current os-- so i don't lose the system if it fails"
[22:48] <timeless> the big wildcard is not having console access
[22:49] <timeless> (actually, i think i might have finished this stuff, but i haven't done the reboot, i can't remember how far along i am)
[22:49] <gigantic> ahh shit.. how do you get out of chroot?
[22:49] <timeless> exit.
[22:50] <gigantic> hahha
[22:50] <gigantic> thanks ;p
[22:50] <timeless> I didn't pick the RHEL. I asked the hosting provider for ubuntu, and they "tried" and "failed" and then tried "rhel" and it failed, so they replaced some stuff and *then* installed RHEL ... <grr>
[22:50] <timeless> gigantic: fwiw, i find the safest thing is having two ssh sessions
[22:50] <bmomjian> timeless: In testing I found the _netdev mount option did not fix the hang problem.  Here is a summary of my problem: http://momjian.us/tmp/nfs.txt
[22:50] <timeless> one in the chroot and one not
[22:50] <timeless> bmomjian: =(
[22:51] <bmomjian> What I did was just to disable my wifi and reboot and the hang happens right away.
[22:51] <timeless> bmomjian: i won't be any help. I'd personally find a Gnome group and ask there...
[22:51] <bmomjian> NP
[22:51] <timeless> bmomjian: is this before X starts?
[22:51] <timeless> i.e. literally just booting?
[22:51] <bmomjian> No, X starts fine.  It is when I try to use the Ubuntu menu which has links to the NFS mounts.
[22:52] <bmomjian> It boots but I have to jump to the character screen to fix it so I can boot again.
[22:52] <bmomjian> It used to work so cleanly.  :-(
[22:52] <timeless> bmomjian: /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount ?
[22:52]  * timeless wonders if there's something similar for net automount
[22:53] <timeless> that might be the right path ... https://access.redhat.com/solutions/20107
[22:53] <bmomjian> I have no such file.
[22:53] <timeless> specifically `gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives false`
[22:53] <timeless> but, google first to see if that's remotely current stuff
[22:54] <timeless> (rhel docs tend to be for dated stuff...)
[22:54] <timeless> good luck
[22:54]  * timeless runs
[22:54] <bmomjian> Yeah, agreed. I still want the automount when the volume is accessible.
[22:55] <gigantic> ok, jesus... from what jordan told me: should i be mounting this stuff before i chroot? or after?
[22:56] <gigantic> how come when i mount one partition it /unmounts/ another?
[22:58] <wxza> Are you trying to mount to the same directory?
[23:04] <ripdisk> d
[23:07] <happy_hacker> I have a piece of software for a VPN on Linux from my job: ps-pulse-linux-5.3r3.0-b1021-ubuntu-debian-64-bit-installer.deb
[23:08] <happy_hacker> It is requiring libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 but I can not find it.
[23:08] <akik> what does nomodeset really do? i'm configuring an old imac that needs nomodeset to give a good picture but it looks like the radeon module does not work now
[23:08] <happy_hacker> I built a pkg for Fedora users, and got libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0 from gnucash-2.6.18-1.fc27.x86_64.rpm
[23:09] <happy_hacker> akik: https://askubuntu.com/questions/716957/what-do-the-nomodeset-quiet-and-splash-kernel-parameters-mean/716966
[23:09] <happy_hacker> akik: It that doesn't answer it for you, let us know what isn't clear.
[23:10] <akik> i know that if i use nomodeset on a intel igpu system, the igpu doesn't work
[23:10] <kostkon> !find libwebkitgtk-1.0.so.0
[23:12] <happy_hacker> kostkon: thanks, I didn't know about that
[23:12] <kostkon> happy_hacker, tried sudo apt-get install libwebkitgtk-1.0-0?
[23:12] <akik> happy_hacker: does nomodeset disable the radeon driver from working?
[23:12] <happy_hacker> been using Ubuntu since this morning
[23:12] <happy_hacker> kostkon: as root, without sudo
[23:14] <happy_hacker> kostkon: no, apparently I used "apt-get install libwebkitgtk" ... yours has a pkg ;)
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: I have problem talking to network started started with create_ap. The network created on wlan0 is <IP_ADDRESS> and the eth0 network is on <IP_ADDRESS>.
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: <IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS> [ping ok]
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: <IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS> [ping ok]
[23:14] <onio> (23:12:21) onio1: <IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS> [ping fail]
[23:14] <gigantic> wxza:  ummm, perhaps i am.
[23:15] <akik> happy_hacker: does nomodeset disable the radeon driver from working?
[23:15] <gigantic> wxza: jordan had said "You *need* to mount your EFI System Partition to /mnt/boot/efi/, you also *need* to bind mount /dev to /mnt/dev/ with either of those missing grub-install will not work from your chroot."
[23:16] <gigantic> but i'm not sure if he meant inside the chroot or from the liveusb
[23:16] <onio> access point started with the following command ./create_ap wlan0 eth0 MyAccessPoint MyPassPhrase
[23:17] <gigantic> wxza: i think i know what he means... mount the efi vol then bind dev to the mounted vol?
[23:20] <onio> someone on this channel suggested checking subnet mask but that does not seem to solve it. I have tried setting the netmask on the <IP_ADDRESS> as <IP_ADDRESS> also tried <IP_ADDRESS> but all behaves the save way
[23:20] <happy_hacker> kostkon: thanks, the app installed, and I was able to use the VPN on Linux ... that's 2 distros it's now working with
[23:20] <kostkon> happy_hacker, np
[23:20] <happy_hacker> akik: I don't think you need nomodeset with Radeon.
[23:21] <supernovah> Hey for some reason I lose my environment even when using `sudo -E make install -j8` or --preserve-env
[23:21] <akik> happy_hacker: this is an old imac that gives just a garbled screen if i don't use nomodeset
[23:21] <happy_hacker> akik: Are you having a problem when booting....oh, a MAC.
[23:21] <happy_hacker> akik: I've never owned a Mac, not even used one except for repairing one for a customer.
[23:22] <akik> happy_hacker: i've never owned one either. this is for a friend
[23:22] <onio> on the wired device eth0 is using static device ip <IP_ADDRESS>, gw <IP_ADDRESS> and netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:22] <happy_hacker> akik: It has a Radeon chipset in an old iMac? I'd assume it was something different.
[23:22] <akik> happy_hacker: yes radeon hd 4670
[23:22] <akik> rv730
[23:23] <happy_hacker> akik: this is just for the console until X is loaded. Once your X server is up, is everything okay?
[23:23] <akik> it's really weird. it doesn't give xorg if i don't use nomodeset
[23:24] <akik> but it's too late now. i'll continue later
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: Does that mean if you don't use nomodeset, you don't get an X server loaded? But if you use it, you do?
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: np
[23:24] <akik> happy_hacker: yes
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: I'm not the one to speak to Mac hardware for sure.
[23:24] <happy_hacker> akik: So, is there a problem with using nomodeset? Just Do Eet!
[23:25] <happy_hacker> whatever works...
[23:25] <akik> happy_hacker: the radeon driver doesn't work then
[23:25] <happy_hacker> What driver does it use?
[23:25] <akik> vesa/fbdev
[23:25] <akik> lshw -c video says unclaimed
[23:25] <happy_hacker> akik: When? In console, but you have a good X?
[23:26] <happy_hacker> akik: So you have Ubuntu installed on an old iMac?
[23:26] <akik> happy_hacker: it gives full hd xorg but it doesn't use radeon module
[23:26] <happy_hacker> akik: Okay, so what is the problem?
[23:26] <akik> happy_hacker: i'm tired :)
[23:27] <akik> good night
[23:27] <happy_hacker> akik: I don't mean to sound rude, but am I hearing http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- "I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y... ?
[23:27] <happy_hacker> gn
[23:27] <happy_hacker> gn Finland ;)
[23:28] <happy_hacker> kostkon: Can you give me a URL or something? I have Ubuntu <I don't know> which I installed on this laptop ... maybe last July? But never used it.
[23:28] <happy_hacker> kostkon: Is there an upgrade $PATH to get current?
[23:28] <kostkon> happy_hacker, lsb_release -a
[23:29] <kostkon> happy_hacker, will tell you the release
[23:29] <kostkon> happy_hacker, server or desktop?
[23:29] <happy_hacker> kostkon: thanks, I worked the Hades out of /etc looking for that 17.10
[23:30] <happy_hacker> kostkon: It's a Dell XPS 13 9530 laptop.
[23:30] <crised> To make a router from scratch, iptables, ufw or nftables?
[23:30] <happy_hacker> crised: iptables
[23:30] <kostkon> !manual | happy_hacker
[23:30] <happy_hacker> crised: I use it on my router. Chose to build a PC and use that as a router for my home LAN, rather than a Cisco router, to learn more.
[23:31] <gigantic> damnit..,. disconnected.
[23:31] <crised> happy_hacker: may I ask why you didn't use nftables? Should this replace iptables?
[23:32] <happy_hacker> kostkon: yea, that's it ... is that current info, though it says Getting Started with Ubuntu 16.04 and iirc Ubuntu is at 17.04?
[23:32] <kostkon> happy_hacker, 18.04. the upcoming lts release
[23:33] <oerheks> netfilter tables is a newer protocol indeed https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nftables > https://linuxnewbieguide.org/hello-nftables-goodbye-iptables/
[23:33] <happy_hacker> crised: nftables is Not Yet Ready For Primetime
[23:33] <happy_hacker> crised: Give me a minute, and I'll link you to a talk by a friend of mine. Think it was at SELF 2017.
[23:35] <duality> hi is anyone familiar with 7zip or hiding archives behind images
[23:36] <happy_hacker> crised: you can /j #Netfilter and get some discussion from experts if you like
[23:36] <Guest27245> found a 1.5gb image i know to be a 7z archive, just not sure how to open it
[23:36] <crised>  /j #Netfilter
[23:36] <happy_hacker> Guest27245: what does "file <filename>" say?
[23:37] <happy_hacker> crised: remove the space in front
[23:37] <crised> happy_hacker: thanks!
[23:37] <oerheks> Guest27245, install p7zip-full
[23:38] <oerheks> !info p7zip-full
[23:38] <happy_hacker> crised: yw; be patient for an answer there
[23:42] <Guest27245> sorry back
[23:43] <Guest27245> Temptation.png: PNG image data, 500 x 500, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[23:43] <Guest27245> happy_hacker:
[23:45] <happy_hacker> Guest27245: PNG should display fine with many apps... Eye of MATE Image Viewer here...look in a menu under Graphics
[23:45] <Guest27245> sorry probably didnt word my question correctly, very tired, its a 1.5GB image with files hidden within archived as a .7z format
[23:46] <happy_hacker> Guest27245: oerheks answered you about 7-zip
[23:46] <Guest27245> not sure how to open it as archive manager on ubuntu doesnt work with it and not sure how to use command line 7z to open it
[23:46] <Guest27245> happy_hacker: i installed it
[23:47] <oerheks> after install, restart nautilus
[23:47] <Guest27245> will do that now
[23:49] <duality> alright back and rebooted, what now?
[23:50] <Guest84721> trying to open the file with "archive manager" simply says archive type not supported
[23:51] <oerheks> Guest84721, are you sure it is a 7z archive?
[23:51] <Guest84721> 100% no doubt
[23:52] <Guest84721> opened in the past too, so 100% its working
[23:52] <happy_hacker> Guest84721: smells like pr0n
[23:52] <Guest84721> using the 7z application on windows
[23:52] <Guest84721> probably
[23:53] <happy_hacker> 18:46:06 < happy_hacker> Guest27245: what does "file <filename>" say?
[23:53] <happy_hacker> 18:52:30 < Guest27245> Temptation.png: PNG image data, 500 x 500, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
[23:53] <happy_hacker> do those 2 ^^ go together ?
[23:53] <Guest84721> oh nvm, got it open
[23:53] <Guest84721> happy_hacker: thanks!
[23:54] <Guest84721> turns out its a combination of p0rn and source code
[23:54] <happy_hacker> happy to hack, not to crack ... say not to p0rn!
[23:54] <oerheks> keep this channel family friendly, thnx
[23:54] <happy_hacker> s/not/no
[23:55] <happy_hacker> that's about what I meant oerheks
[23:55] <Guest84721> is there anyway to open the file using a gui, as the 7z program in terminal works however not using archive manager
[23:56] <oerheks> 7z works fine here in nautilus...
[23:57] <Guest84721> actually its fine will just recompress it into a normal .7z instead of hiding behind image
[23:57] <Guest84721> thanks oerheks and happy_hacker


[07:57] <polatov> кроме Garfeild тут есть говорящие по-русски?
[07:57] <Garfeild> есть)
[07:57] <Garfeild> polatov: я тебе ответил
[07:58] <Garfeild> что не понятно опять?
[07:58] <polatov> нету ссылки на правило
[07:59] <Garfeild> http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=37582.0
[07:59] <Garfeild> это то, что сейчас
[07:59] <polatov> 5. Канал создан для поддержки пользователей *buntu. Любые другие темы разговором являются offtopic и наказываются баном.
[07:59] <Garfeild> первую часть смотри
[07:59] <polatov> я не видел чтобы банили за Си, Арч
[08:00] <polatov> не вижу
[08:00] <polatov> ладно
[08:00] <polatov> смысла спорить нет, тут имеет место линая неприязнь
[08:00] <polatov> я не знаю почему
[08:01] <polatov> обоснованного ответа не было
[08:01] <polatov> Garfeild, сколько тебе лет?
[08:02] <Garfeild> 15
[08:02] <polatov> ))
[08:02] <polatov> ладно
[08:04] <elky> he came to -ops first, and he said he was banned for asking a gentoo question? yes?
[08:04] <elky> Garfeild, ^^
[08:05] <Garfeild> yep
[08:05] <Garfeild> on ubuntu channel)
[08:06] <Garfeild> for me it's abnormally
[08:11] <elky> you did try talk him to the right place first, yes?
[08:17] <Garfeild> elky: yes, he didn't understand)
[08:37] <Myrtti> pink?
[08:39] <Garfeild> don't know) i think is cool hacker)
[08:39] <Myrtti> my irssi fu is failing
[08:39] <Myrtti> that was supposed to go somewhere else
[08:41] <ziroday> Hey should !sabdlf be changed to alias !sabdfl ?
[08:44] <Myrtti> huh?
[08:47] <Flannel> ziroday: How often do you misspell sabdfl?
[08:47] <ziroday> !sabdfl
[08:47] <ziroday> !sabdlf
[08:47] <ziroday> Flannel: it looks like someone did
[08:47] <Flannel> Oh, yeah, that should be an alias instead of its own factoid
[08:48] <ziroday> sorry, didn't make that clear before
[08:49] <Flannel> ziroday: it's been requested twice.
[08:49] <ziroday> Flannel: that it be an alias?
[08:50] <Flannel> No, the factoid itself.
[08:50] <ziroday> oh right, my bad. Just noticed it before
[08:50] <Flannel> but yeah, it... ought to be an alias.  If for no other purpose than the alias would take up a dozen bytes less than the current factoid.
[08:51] <Flannel> Oh, not your bad at all.  just amusing.
[08:51] <ziroday> heh
[08:51] <Flannel> Looks like Sev-eas did the initial misspelling.  It was created 5 days before sabdfl
[08:52] <Myrtti> !no sabdlf is <alias> sabdfl
[08:52] <Myrtti> !no sabdlf is <alias> sabdfl
[08:52] <Flannel> Myrtti: I already did it!
[08:52] <Flannel> :P
[08:52] <Myrtti> !oh.
[09:06] <elky> lol
[12:12] <erUSUL> FYI 13:09 <raz0rx> Welcome erUSUL we are looking for some uploaders http://extremew.org/
[12:12] <erUSUL> 13:10 -!-    #ubuntu raz0rx    H   0<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[raz0rx]
[12:12] <bazhang> same as nzap?
[12:12] <bazhang> oh that is .au
[12:12] <erUSUL> ? sorry you lost me
[12:13] <bazhang> the PM spammer uha and nzap from a day before
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Can I get help with getting the member cloak?
[16:37] <Myrtti> nalioth, Pricey: https://edge.launchpad.net/~charlie-tca ^
[16:38]  * Myrtti huggles charlie-tca
[16:39]  * charlie-tca thanks Myrtti
[16:39]  * charlie-tca also huggles Myrtti
[16:41] <nalioth> freenode recommends setting up your nick in this fashion: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup (all steps are required for unaffiliated cloaks) charlie-tca please see step #4
[16:42] <charlie-tca> When I did that, it said I had charlie-tca_ assigned and grouped.
[16:42] <charlie-tca> I will try it again
[16:42] <nalioth> then you need to select another nick for your 'alternate nick'
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Okay
[16:50] <charlie-tca> nalioth: did that work, now?
[16:52] <nalioth> charlie-tca: i don't check until you say so
[16:52] <nalioth> charlie-tca: /msg nickserv info charlie-tca   will show you that you have not set up properly (you need two nicks)
[17:05] <nalioth> charlie-tca_: may i make a suggestion?  char1ie_tca with a numeral one instead of an lowercase L looks better, imho
[17:06] <charlie-tca_> I can not get it to group any names. I now have charlie-tca, charlie-tca_, charlie-tca2
[17:06] <charlie-tca_> but it don't show them
[17:06] <nalioth> did you read the setup instructions?
[17:07] <charlie-tca_> yes, I have the browser open and following it. It just says you already have that name registered.
[17:07] <charlie-tca_> -NickServ- Nick charlie-tca2 is now registered to your account.
[17:07] <charlie-tca_> -NickServ- Nick charlie-tca_ is already registered to your account.
[17:08] <charlie-tca_> but info won't show them
[17:08] <nalioth> you grouped charlie-tca2 to charlie-tca_
[17:08] <nalioth> and neither to charlie-tca
[17:08] <nalioth> i'd suggest you drop all but charlie-tca and start over
[17:08] <charlie-tca_> how do I drop them?
[17:09] <charlie-tca_> I am ready to just give up on i9t
[17:09] <Myrtti> /msg nickserv help drop
[17:10] <Myrtti> /msg nickserv drop nickname password, if I'm not wrong
[17:11] <nalioth>   /msg nickserv help drop
[17:30] <charlie-tca> nalioth: okay, it now shows two names
[17:35] <nalioth> :)
[17:40] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:40] <ubot2> hateball called the ops in #ubuntu-se (einand)
[22:46] <MTecknology> g'day all