[00:37] <uberdub> what gives devs?
[00:37] <uberdub> updates every day??????
[00:37] <uberdub> reboots evry other frickin day?
[00:38] <uberdub> this is retarded
[00:38] <uberdub> you guys really cant find a more efficient way to roll out updates?
[00:38] <gunndawg> uberdub: can you find a more efficient way? Give me the link to the ISO of your OS.  I'd be happy to try it
[00:40] <uberdub> stfu
[00:40] <uberdub> no one designed ubuntu
[00:40] <uberdub> its a team effort
[00:41] <gunndawg> you're correct, my bad. Send me a link to the OS you and your team created. I'd be happy to try it
[00:41] <uberdub> seriously?
[00:41] <uberdub> thats your response?
[00:41] <uberdub> lulz
[00:41] <uberdub> are you like 15?
[00:42] <gunndawg> You're creating a scene and using lude and offensive language in a support channel for a free OS you decided to use. Not sure what you're expecting
[00:42] <uberdub> ubuntu needs to be more efficient and careful with updates
[00:42] <uberdub> Im tired of having to reboot my system every damn day
[00:42] <uberdub> thats just retarded
[00:43] <gunndawg> you can get help and suggest new or more intuitive ideas without using offensive language
[00:43] <uberdub> I forgot you bible thumping ubuntu guys get your panties in a wad over "lude" language
[00:43] <gunndawg> use the term "retarded" is pretty lude and will net you nothing in terms of help.
[00:43] <uberdub> I just did
[00:43] <uberdub> I dont need help
[00:44] <uberdub> Ive been running linux since slack 8
[00:44] <uberdub> I need ubuntu to handle updates better
[00:44] <uberdub> not my job
[00:44] <gunndawg> It's not anyone involved with ubuntus job to cater to you either. Especially with the attitude you bring on.
[00:45] <uberdub> I guess I need to reinstall debian and stop messing with noobs
[00:46] <uberdub> only ubuntu noobs would argue everyday, mass roll out updates are logical
[00:46] <gunndawg> I havent seen an argument in ages
[00:46] <uberdub> Luckily im not running servers atm
[00:47] <gunndawg> Infact I've not seen someone quite as immature as you, in several of months
[00:47] <uberdub> frickin daily reboots
[00:47] <gunndawg> not in here anyways
[00:47] <uberdub> I guess youre mad Im right
[00:47] <uberdub> lulz
[00:48] <gunndawg> on such a beautiful day, I'm actually quite content for the moment.
[00:48] <uberdub> noob
[00:49] <uberdub> unoobtu
[00:49] <uberdub> lulz
[01:43] <threedee> https://fedorahosted.org/fldigi/wiki/Documentation/HOWTO/Serial_Port_Setup <- followed the instructions here.. if I repeat them it says I'm already a member of dialout, but when I type groups dialout isn't listed and I do NOT have access to the port..  suggestions?
[02:58] <muh2000> how can i use double-click instead of single click on desktop symbols etc...?
[03:05] <valorie> muh2000: if you type alt+f2 and type click, you'll get to the mouse control module where you can set that
[03:08] <muh2000> valorie: nope
[03:09] <muh2000> but i found it under system settings.
[03:09] <muh2000> weird.
[03:09] <valorie> nope what?
[03:09] <muh2000> dolphin was doubleclick desktop wasent
[03:09] <valorie> yes, krunner just gives you the specific bit you need
[03:09] <muh2000> before the upgrade it was both doubleclick
[03:09] <valorie> are you running 15.04?
[03:10] <muh2000> yes
[03:10] <muh2000> i have another issue with dualmonitor.
[03:10] <valorie> you are now running plasma 5, and there will be some new settings
[03:10] <valorie> Dolphin, however, has not been ported yet
[03:11] <muh2000> when i switch the 2nd monitor off, the desktop becomes expanded in a way that when i move the mouse towards where the 2nd monitor should be, the whole ddesktop moves in that direction cutting the picture off.....
[03:16] <cjwelborn> threedee: did you logout and log back in?
[03:17] <threedee> cjwelborn: yes
[03:19] <threedee> that gives me an idea though
[03:19] <threedee> ahh, no I didn't.. I just opened a new terminal window
[03:19] <threedee> true login cycle does it
[03:21] <threedee> Thank you
[03:22] <cjwelborn> threedee: no problem, i've done that several times. :)
[03:37] <muh2000> is there a way to deactivate password prompt from muon when upgrading software?
[03:39] <valorie> hmmm, I guess you could make the password blank
[03:39] <valorie> but seems terribly dangerous though
[03:39] <muh2000> valorie: not an option
[03:39] <muh2000> i see no point asking for passwords when upgrading - different storry for installing NEW software maybe.
[03:40] <valorie> upgrading often does result in new software such as libraries, etc.
[03:40] <muh2000> true
[03:40] <muh2000> but no "hacker related tools" :)
[03:41] <valorie> really, that is one of the things I hate about windows - stuff can be installed with no password required
[03:42] <muh2000> lol i like not caring about what the fudge is new, when it is new it usually has to be installed due bug fixes etc...
[03:42] <valorie> true
[03:42] <valorie> but you need not do updates until you have time
[03:43] <valorie> and I believe you can allow security updates in the background
[03:46] <muh2000> ok
[03:46] <muh2000> i like the desktop notification though
[03:46] <valorie> me too
[03:46] <muh2000> great now my folder thing wont display stuff.
[03:46] <muh2000> after a reboot...
[03:47] <muh2000> mounted folder displayer on desktop but not displaying content...
[03:48] <muh2000> i see why. it does not keep settings. always falling back to whatever not working.
[03:48] <muh2000> another dull app...
[03:48] <valorie> have you run sudo when it wasn't needed since you installed?
[03:49] <valorie> I keep seeing this popping up randomly
[03:49] <valorie> it sounds like a permissions issue, since setting are saved in your $HOME
[03:50] <muh2000> before the reboot there was no issue...
[03:52] <valorie> hmmm
[03:54] <muh2000> is there a way to restore the desktop post-its from 14.10?
[03:54] <muh2000> or at least gather the text?
[03:56] <valorie> do you recall what that was called?
[03:57] <valorie> I've never used such a thing
[04:00] <muh2000> the app hmmmm desktop notes or something like that
[04:01] <valorie> could it have been kjots or knotes?
[04:02] <valorie> I did apt-cache search notes
[04:02] <valorie> and those two seem possibilities
[04:04] <muh2000> valorie: knotes
[04:06] <valorie> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=120831 might help
[04:31] <muh2000> valorie: no help :(
[04:32] <muh2000> the data seems to be gone :(
[05:01] <valorie> muh2000: no backup?
[05:01] <valorie> :(
[05:09] <hyper_ch> there's still people that don't regularly make backups?
[05:15] <muh2000> valorie: i made a backup before the upgrade... :) will be looking into it later this evening
[05:17] <valorie> ah, that's good to hear
[05:17] <muh2000> but i am not quite sure whether it was encrypted ^^
[05:20] <valorie> unless your /home was encrypted, that's not the problem
[05:20] <valorie> the problem is if it is in a database
[05:20] <valorie> I don't know that it is, but I've lost data for that reason - backing up the wrong bits
[05:22] <muh2000> i used encfs(for home) or how it was called... i could decrypt it
[05:23] <valorie> ok, I'm glad you have a handle on it
[05:23] <muh2000> :)
[05:43] <valorie> !source
[05:44] <gunndawg> valorie 0/. Good evening to ya. Or morning depending on your side of the world :)
[05:48] <valorie> coming up on 11pm
[05:48] <valorie> nice to see you, gunndawg
[08:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:45] <M4he> Hey there. I'm using kubuntu 14.04 with the backports ppa. I encounter a reproducible bug (on several systems) that Ark isn't able to create ZIP files. It will always create TAR.GZ files if ZIP is selected, though they are named as ZIP which will confuse other systems (e.g Windows). This happens both on context menu ZIP command as well as on manual Ark 'compress to' dialog usage. Is this a known issue? Would the backports ppa's launchpad
[09:45] <M4he> page the appropriate place for reporting this?
[09:50] <ejay> guys, do you know a way to render and export whole page to png, jpg or whatever?
[09:51] <M4he> ejay: do you mean webpage?
[09:52] <ejay> M4he: yeah, yeah, webpage, my question wasn't too specific. I meant webpage.
[09:54] <lordievader> ejay: There are plugins for that.
[09:55] <M4he> If you are using Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/pagesaver/?src=ss for image, https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/print-pages-to-pdf/?src=ss for pdf
[09:56] <ejay> M4he: kudos to you. This is what I need. Thank you.
[10:16] <markus_> hi out there
[10:17] <gunndawg> hello
[10:17] <markus_> i have a problem with the installation kubuntu 15.04 on a toshiba laptop as a second OS
[10:18] <gunndawg> what problems?
[10:18] <alvin> M4he: I can't confirm that. On a fresh install, ark creates .zip files and file confirms that they are .zip files. I even tested by using unzip.
[10:18] <markus_> as i want to install the installation seems allways to use the entire disk not only the free space
[10:19] <M4he> alvin: are you using the backports? what does 'kded4 -version' say?
[10:19] <gunndawg> markus_: did you set up a partition table for the install?
[10:19] <alvin> M4he: Yes, I am. Also tested on an upgraded machine now
[10:20] <markus_> no is this necessary ?
[10:20] <alvin> M4he: Qt 4.8.6, KDE Development Platform 4.14.7 and KDE Daemon 4.14.7
[10:20] <gunndawg> markus_: well if you want to decide where linux installs and how much space it takes up, then yeah
[10:20] <markus_> what is the right way to install kubuntu as second OS ?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> markus_: I guess since you want to install it as second OS and that it's a Toshiba computer that you already have windows installed.  Sorry
[10:22] <M4he> alvin: I'm running 14.04 with the backports resulting in KDE 4.14.2
[10:22] <markus_> it is empty an not formatted
[10:22] <hyper_ch> can you take a pic and post it somehwere?
[10:23] <alvin> Well. You might have run into a known bug (since it is fixed)
[10:23] <M4he> alvin: seems so. So I'm stuck with the bug on trusty then?
[10:23] <alvin> You also might want to stay on 14.04, since it is an LTS. But that's the trouble with LTS. You get security updates, but bugfixes?
[10:24] <M4he> alvin: yea I vastly prefer LTS
[10:24] <alvin> Upgrading might give you other bugs. That much is true. Plasma5 is nice, but has sharp edges.
[10:25] <M4he> alvin: it does indeed, I tested it already. I'd prefer to stay on trusty until Plasma5 is ready for productive usage
[10:26] <markus_> is it right that i have to create a partitions table before the installation ?
[10:27] <hyper_ch> markus_: are you at the partitioning step? If so, take a picture and post it
[10:27] <hyper_ch> or screenshot
[10:27] <alvin> markus_: As far as I'm aware, the Kubuntu installer can shrink Windows partitions
[10:29] <markus_> alvin: normally i think so too, but the installer shows all the existing partitions an the he says 'after installation' and shows all the disk as kubuntu
[10:30] <markus_> hyper_ch: how can i do this ?
[10:30] <alvin> Ouch. You might want to choose manual then.
[10:30] <hyper_ch> take your phone, start the camera app, take a picture, upload it to some image hoste
[10:30] <hyper_ch> r
[10:31] <markus_> in manual it shows all the partitions but it is not possible to creat a new partitions table
[10:32] <markus_> i think i will try it with kubuntu 14.04 an the do  an upgrade to 15.04
[10:33] <markus_> then im online again with the results
[10:33] <hyper_ch> the disk probably still has mbr formatting allowing only 4 primary partitions
[10:34] <hyper_ch> still waiting for the pic
[10:34] <markus_> i have only 3
[10:34] <hyper_ch> take a pic or print the partition layout
[10:34] <hyper_ch> I'm done guessing
[10:35] <markus_> i am not at the partition step now because i break and shut down the computer
[10:36] <markus_> if im on again i will show you a pic ... ok ?
[10:53] <est31> hi there I wonder is there a way to keep widgets on a 15.04 update?
[10:53] <est31> because I've done it on my laptop and they were lost, now I wonder whether they get lost on my desktop too
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:27] <hyper_ch> hi BluesKaj
[11:38] <hyper_ch> hmmmm, is there a way to make a link in a kdialog dialog? so that you can click on it and it opens in the default browser?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> hi hyper_ch
[12:04] <z4sk4> hi all i try to compile aircrack, but i need the libnl3, i have install it and the dev too... but is like isnt installed... i am on kubuntu 15.04, on 14.04 i havent got this problem, what can i do?
[12:06] <z4sk4> the strange think its that i compile it on 14.04 and in the make install on 15.04 still tell me thit that library when is on system...
[12:10] <lordievader> z4sk4: Have you installed the libnl3 headers? (the dev package)
[12:11] <z4sk4> lordievader: yeah ofcourse, and i see the routes and are the same of 14.04
[12:11] <z4sk4> so strange
[12:11] <lordievader> Can you pastebin the full error?
[12:11] <lordievader> !paste | z4sk4
[12:13] <z4sk4> lordievader: fixed, i installed all variantes of libnl-*-dev and works... maybe the library need was a variant
[12:13] <lordievader> Suppose so.
[12:13] <z4sk4> need a variant
[12:14] <z4sk4> thanks lordievader ua lways are here xD
[12:14] <lordievader> z4sk4: My server is allways here ;)
[12:15] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: you know about kdialog?
[12:17] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, nope
[12:17] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: but you're my KDE Hero....
[12:18] <hyper_ch> it would be awesome if I could make kdialog show clickable urls
[12:26] <BluesKaj> hyper_ch, switch heroes because I don't even know what kdioalog is :-)
[12:26] <z4sk4> oh! lordievader the problem from yesterday of nertowrk-manager with trying monitoring with aircrack, was a problem from aircrack on ubuntu 15.04, i am not the only one.. so maybe i must whait to the repo version o web version (have diferent error messages but always fix it when stop network-manager)...
[12:33] <hyper_ch> BluesKaj: you don't? awwww :(
[12:34] <hyper_ch> well, adding html markup makes it show as link but it's not clickable
[12:39] <lordievader> hyper_ch: ctrl+click?
[12:39] <hyper_ch> when using the --passivepopup then the links are clickable...
[12:40] <lordievader> hyper_ch: You can have a help link it seems: http://api.kde.org/4.1-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKDialog.html
[12:42] <Carluchox> Hello
[12:42] <Carluchox> Someone speaks spanish?
[12:42] <lordievader> !es | Carluchox
[12:43] <hyper_ch> lordievader: not ctrl-clickable either. It displays as URL but that's it:   kdialog --msgbox 'Auf den Entscheid kann mit folgender URL direkt zugegriffen werden:

'KDE''
[12:45] <hyper_ch> lordievader: this is clickable, but you can't right-click & copy the url:  kdialog --title "Urteils-URL" --passivepopup ''KDE''
[12:46] <lordievader> That second one goes to the notifications here.
[12:47] <hyper_ch> lordievader: yes -->   --passivepopup
[12:47] <hyper_ch> but you can click the url there
[12:47] <hyper_ch> in the --msgbox you can't
[12:48] <lordievader> Hmm, from where are you calling kdialogbox?
[12:50] <hyper_ch> bash script
[12:51] <lordievader> Right, as I figured. I have no idea how to do that.
[12:53] <hyper_ch> open konsole
[12:53] <hyper_ch> paste the code lines in there
[12:55] <lordievader> hyper_ch: Getting the link clickable I mean ;)
[12:55] <hyper_ch> awwwww
[12:55] <hyper_ch> well, in the --passivepopup it's clickable but you can't right-click and copy the url into memory
[12:56] <lordievader> Clicking it here, even with --passivepopup, does nothing.
[12:56] <hyper_ch> my super awesome project has this beauty flaw
[12:56] <hyper_ch> lordievader: weird.. that opens the url just fine in chromium forme
[13:55] <Nerick> o.O  :) alguien que me pueda dar ayuda en idioma español.. pls
[13:55] <soee> !es
[14:55] <BluesKaj> !boot-repair
[14:56] <BluesKaj> !info boot-repair
[15:01] <finetundra> hey guys, what's the best way to increase battery life?
[15:01] <davevanloo> turn of your laptop :), but in a serious note.. dim the backlight.. and use as little cpu/gpu heavy software really.. :)
[15:03] <finetundra> davevanloo: that's all well and good, but are there ways to optimize power usage? I've already got the backlight at minimal and am using barely anything that has a high resource usage
[15:06] <davevanloo> you could look into underclocking your CPU according to demand.., kinda like most android phones do.., although i wouldnt know of any good software to do that out the top of my head, im a desktop user myself
[15:06] <finetundra> never considered that
[15:08] <davevanloo> finetundra: its just an idea.., i do not know of the software exists though
[15:08] <lordievader> I think the default schedular is ondemand. Anyways powertop is nice for seing power consumptions.
[15:09] <davevanloo> finetundra: the software mentioned here, seems to be interesting for you aswel: http://askubuntu.com/questions/285434/is-there-a-power-saving-application-similar-to-jupiter
[15:10] <finetundra> alright, I'll have a look, thanks fellas
[15:10] <rattking> laptop-mode-tools or tlp can help.. but beware not to mess with the ALPM settings as  thats been found to corrupt data on some disks
[15:12] <lordievader> Laptop-mode-tools is nice :)
[15:49] <hyper_ch> finetundra: turn off wifi and bluetooth
[16:19] <hyper_ch> another bug reported... KCalc won't listen to input from numeric keypad
[16:20] <hyper_ch> can anyone on 15.04 with Kubuntu Team Beta Backport PPA also try?
[16:22]  * hyper_ch feels all alone :(
[16:22] <dman87> Hello everyone! I have a quick question that I cannot find an answer to.
[16:23] <dman87> Does anyone know where Plasma 5.2 stores its xrandr configuration information?
[16:23] <finetundra> dman87: please just ask it
[16:23] <dman87> in previous versions, it was under ~/.kde/share/krandrrc
[16:23] <dman87> but, I cannot find this file in Plasma 5.2 on Kubuntu 15.04
[16:23] <hyper_ch> probably in ~/.config/xxxxx
[16:24] <dman87> I looked there as well but could not find it directly
[16:24] <hyper_ch> all config files were moved there I think because of some conevntion thingy
[16:24] <dman87> has the filename changed possibly??
[16:24] <MoonUnit`> .local/share/kscreen
[16:24] <hyper_ch> right... it's not a config.... somehow
[16:25] <dman87> lol
[16:25] <dman87> thank you so much!
[16:25] <dman87> I had noticed that most of the config files moved to .config
[16:25] <hyper_ch> dman87: can you test if kcalc works with your numeric keypad?
[16:25] <dman87> sure, 1 sec
[16:26] <dman87> kcalc works fine on my usb keyboard on a Lenovo T450s laptop
[16:26] <dman87> I am able to use numbers and *, -, +, etc
[16:26] <hyper_ch> with the numeric keys?
[16:26] <hyper_ch> hmmm....
[16:26] <dman87> yes
[16:26] <hyper_ch> you use 5.2, right?
[16:26] <dman87> that is correct
[16:26] <hyper_ch> well, I have different keyboards at home and work and neither works on 5.3
[16:26] <dman87> interesting, did it work correctly on 5.2?
[16:27] <davevanloo> hyper_ch: did you test it with any other software? also did you make sure your num-lock is correct ( i know its derpy to ask.., but sometimes people do derp..)
[16:27] <hyper_ch> never used 5.2
[16:27] <hyper_ch> davevanloo: all other proggies (kontact, url bar in chromium, libre office, dolphin url bar etc) work fine
[16:27] <dman87> I've been thinking about upgrading to 5.3, you're not convincing me, lol :-p
[16:27] <hyper_ch> qtpass also....
[16:27] <hyper_ch> but not kcalc
[16:28] <hyper_ch> dman87: well, I have 16 open bug reports now :)
[16:28] <davevanloo> allright.. it is strange indeed.., i suppose my last recomendation would be.. to check that you selected the right keyboard in settings ( or during install.. )
[16:28] <dman87> Good, maybe they'll be fixed by the time I get around to testing it
[16:28] <hyper_ch> right keyboard settings?
[16:29] <hyper_ch> the most annoying bug that only I seem to have is that I can't resize Konsole anymore
[16:29] <hyper_ch> if I do, it freezes
[16:29] <hyper_ch> and not to forget the locale chaos
[16:29] <dman87> yikes, I haven't used Konsole except to install yakuake
[16:29] <davevanloo> yea.. basicly from azerty qwerty european north american.. theres al sorts of lay outs.., it freezing.. "could" lead to incorrect settings aswel..
[16:29] <hyper_ch> ah, you're also one of those yakuake
[16:29] <davevanloo> i preffer installing via konsole :P
[16:29] <hyper_ch> davevanloo: I have swiss german layout
[16:30] <dman87> ti's just too convenient when I need a terminal that way--to each his own lol
[16:30] <hyper_ch> davevanloo: I open konsole...
[16:30] <hyper_ch> resize it.... then when I'm quick enough I'm able to type 2-3 chars and then it freezes
[16:30] <dman87> I do a lot of work where I'm in and out of the terminal. It's nice to easily hide it like with yakuake
[16:30] <davevanloo> hyper_ch: i did not mean to ask you to open konsole.. it was as a response to yakuake
[16:31] <dman87> thanks for the info about the xrandr config stuff guys/gals!
[16:31] <hyper_ch> dman87: I have konsole always visible on a small part of my desktop
[16:31] <dman87> hyper_ch: then, I would have to minimize my windows
[16:31] <hyper_ch> and I have a little start up script that open multiple konsole tabs and makes several remote server connections
[16:32] <hyper_ch> dman87: two screen are just not enough ;)
[16:32] <dman87> that's handy
[16:32] <hyper_ch> I need a 3rd 24" screen
[16:32] <dman87> haha, I use 3 on my laptop... I want a 4th
[16:32] <davevanloo> whahaha, true.., but i make deu hyper_ch! :P
[16:32] <dman87> well, 1 internal and two external displays
[16:32] <davevanloo> well i have 2 physical monitors..
[16:32] <hyper_ch> well, I turn the laptop screen off
[16:32] <hyper_ch> 12" isn't worth it
[16:32] <dman87> it's handy to have. Most of the time it is either just email or a random web page
[16:33] <dman87> the desktop at home is just two monitors
[16:33] <davevanloo> jups.., or something your working at and some sort of refference information... or like right now.., a series running on one.. and the other one for chatting
[16:33] <dman87> yeah true, I have irc open on my laptop monitor, lol
[16:34] <davevanloo> haha, i "could" cast the irc chat to my 3rd monitor.. :P
[16:34] <dman87> lol, good idea!
[16:34] <dman87> well, I'm going to mess around with these xrandr settings to see if I can solve my issues. Thanks again! Have a good day/night all!
[16:34] <hyper_ch> https://paste.debian.net/172117/
[16:35] <dman87> nice script!
[16:35] <dman87> bye all!
[16:35] <davevanloo> o/
[16:35] <hyper_ch> found that script somewhere nd modified it to my needs
[16:35] <hyper_ch> nice to open multiple stuff directly with one click onto the desktop
[16:38] <hyper_ch> so, let's go hunt some pirates....
[16:38] <hyper_ch> bbml
[17:19] <Etriaph> G'day folks.
[17:34] <Riddell> 25 mins to Plasma 5 demo! http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22517/plasma-5-demo/
[18:01] <Riddell> Plasma 5 demo on now! http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22517/plasma-5-demo/
[18:05]  * genii twitches
[18:05] <valorie> IRC Channel: #ubuntu-uos-showandtell
[18:19] <tedka> Hello, anyone has problems with debugger under Kubuntu?
[18:19] <tedka> Debugging virtually impossible because every step over takes a minute or so
[18:20] <tedka> I was experiencing this problem on Kubuntu 14.10, I have a feeling that it became even worse on Kubuntu 15.04
[18:21] <qmania>  I have recently installed kubuntu 15.04 in my Hp laptop.I have selected sleep action when lid is closed.But when I open the lid,it is completely  stuck with only a still curson seen.Can anyone help me fix this?
[18:24] <Etriaph> Oh, you asked here, excellent.  :D
[18:24] <Etriaph> qmania: It may be a bug, have you checked if someone has reported this before?
[18:25] <qmania> Etriaph: I will check it now and report it if not done
[18:26] <Etriaph> Until then, don't suspend it.  :D
[18:26] <Etriaph> If it's not logged I'll try to see what I can do for you by way of looking into it.
[18:28] <MoonUnit`> is this the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1451482
[18:33] <Etriaph> Most likely SDDM doesn't like coming out of suspend
[18:35] <BluesKaj> qmania, the best method i've found on 15.04 is sudo pm-suspend in the konsole
[19:05] <valorie> kubuntu kickoff for wily starting now:
[19:05] <valorie> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22508/kubuntu-kickoff/
[19:05] <valorie> IRC Channel: #ubuntu-uos-core
[19:45] <GunnDawg> How big (in GB) is a fresh Kubuntu 14.04 install?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, I believe it's around 5G after updates/upgrades
[20:00] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: Thank you sir
[20:02] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, just checked my 14.10 and it's grown from 5  to 7G since installation
[20:03] <BluesKaj> on / that is , my /home dir is on a separate partition
[20:04] <spameris> hi
[20:05] <spameris>  when i trying to add for autostart appliaction as desktop file
[20:05] <spameris> im getting error
[20:05] <spameris> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[20:05] <spameris> klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'
[20:05] <spameris> ubuntu 15.04
[20:05] <spameris> updated from 14.04
[20:08] <Riddell> davevanloo: contributors welcome in #kubuntu-devel :)
[20:47] <Fleck> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?67535-File-dialogs-aren-t-working-quot-URL-cannot-be-listed-trash-quot <<<< same problem here, help! Can't reinstall, need solution! :D
[20:51] <GunnDawg> Trying to help a friend out. What's the best way to set up a Kubuntu 14.04 and Windows dual boot? I dont dual boot so I've not messed with it
[20:51] <GunnDawg> I thought the installer had a "install alongside..." option but apparently not
[20:52] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, is windows already installed? I presume it is.
[20:52] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: yes
[20:52] <genii> Might not see it due to EFI or such
[20:54] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, best to put gparted on a cd or usb and use that to partition the drive, p[robly have to shrink the windows partition then use the unallocated to create an ext4 linux partition for kubuntu
[20:54] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: yeah I'm starting to see that, thanks for the confirmation
[20:56] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/KYeZDB5.jpg
[20:56] <GunnDawg> Will that top option automatically re size and install? Looks like it may
[20:56] <BluesKaj> genii, what's the best approach for installing grub with ubiquity on uefi/gpt
[20:57] <genii> Dunno :( No boxes I currently work with use EFI/UEFI
[20:58] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, hmm, 25G is bit small for the linux install unles it's just for experimentation
[20:58] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: yeah but you can slide those arrows (<- ->) to reisze it, which he did
[21:00] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, how old is thi pc , maybe uefi isn't an issue here since the HDD is only 120G
[21:01] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: It's not a NEWER system
[21:01] <BluesKaj> or which windows OS ?
[21:01] <GunnDawg> windows 8, but oldder hardware
[21:02] <BluesKaj> if it's older than 2010 the install is really straightforward ..translate =easy :))
[21:03] <BluesKaj> seems you have it well in hand, just set the size of the partition you wnat and proceed
[21:04] <bprompt> hmmm    25gbs should be decent enough for a *nix,  linux install, say hmmm 12.04 , base install is just 3.5gbs, 14.04 I think runs around less than 5gbs
[21:04] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: aye. Time will tell. Seems fine at this point. Thanks again for the input
[21:05] <GunnDawg> My friend is used to windows and having his programs installed on his external HDD. At this point its all on that 27GB partition. Can he configure his /home to be on that external HDD after install?
[21:05] <GunnDawg> I figured that's something that should have been set up at the partition table but clearly, he didnt do that
[21:06] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg , no, he has to set up a /home parition now
[21:06] <BluesKaj> if he wants one
[21:07] <GunnDawg> fair enough
[21:07] <BluesKaj> putting home on a different drive can work , but it slows things down
[21:07] <bprompt> GunnDawg:     though.... you could move /home location.... the external hdd will be slower than the internal one, and bear in mind that /home loads all configuration files and themes and fonts and other resources, you'd want that to load fast, so is better off in the internal hdd
[21:07] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: I explained that to him as well. He's being quite picky at the moment with this setup.
[21:09] <BluesKaj> well then let him do it , and he'll learn that he should have them on the same drive soon enough :-)
[21:09] <bprompt> GunnDawg:     he could just , when the install is done, transfer things over to /home, and whatever he'd like to keep in the external, put a symlink at /home for it, pointing to the external
[21:10] <bprompt> GunnDawg:     but configuration files and themes and fonts and cached thumbnails and browser cached content and  cookies, you'd want that to load fast, thus is better of in the internal one
[21:10] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, make sure that he use the mountppoint for the 25G partiton beside windows as /
[21:10] <GunnDawg> right
[21:11] <GunnDawg> we're past that. Just trying to give him options for his /home mount point now
[21:11] <bprompt> browsers uses /home  to store their cache and configuration files   usually at ~/.local/share   and ~/.config and/or ~/.cache,  slow cache access, will mean slow loading pages
[21:11] <BluesKaj> the mountpoint on the outboard as /home
[21:14] <BluesKaj> bprompt, he'll learn that soon enough , just let him get his feet wet first , then he'll realize he should have listened to us :)
[21:14] <GunnDawg> I'm relaying all of this guys. Trying to convince him otherwise as well
[21:14] <GunnDawg> but like you said, He'll learn
[21:15] <GunnDawg> He's pulling the whole "You're a network engineer and I am a web developer / programmer, let me handle this from here"
[21:15] <bprompt> If you shut your door to all errors truth will be shut out.   ~~ Rabindranath Tagore (1861-1941) ~~
[21:15] <GunnDawg> so I cut him lose, but like you said, he'll larn
[21:16] <bprompt> a webdev?   from what you described, doesn't look like at all
[21:16] <BluesKaj> GunnDawg, maybe he's used to slow loading of apps and browsers and doesn't realize how fast linux can be
[21:17] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: haha well played sir, well played.
[21:17] <Etriaph> Core i7 w/128Gb SSD system drive here
[21:17] <Etriaph> 16GB of RAM; it's *fast*
[21:17] <GunnDawg> BluesKaj: "I want a windows friendly enviroment, how can I slow this down some?"
[21:18] <bprompt> eh?    not quite in webdev you got to be on you heels, standards are moving fast, maybe he meant "he used to do webdev in 1995", then I can see his rationale
[21:18] <BluesKaj> hehe ..yeah :-)
[21:18]  * Etriaph is a web developer, the job is learning more than typing, in most cases
[21:19] <Etriaph> Eventually you have to write code, but knowledge of the vast, almost endless web ecosystem is how you survive and keep the food on the table.
[21:19]  * BluesKaj is an experience home user ...that's all
[21:19] <bprompt> hell... I have an sataIII ssd, and sometimes I think it can go faster
[21:19] <BluesKaj> experienced even
[21:19] <Etriaph> bprompt: My longest loading app from click to display is QtCreator at 1.5 seconds
[21:19] <GunnDawg> Etriaph: as a network engineer I learned its more than plugging the blue cable into the osver sized phone jack. After I got past that, the job was ok ;)
[21:20] <Etriaph> GunnDawg: You guys don't have it easy when it comes to network services though.
[21:20] <Etriaph> If you're doing both the hardware and the software, making stuff work is like hacking apart a baby sometimes.
[21:20] <GunnDawg> Etriaph: I typicall deal with enterprise sized exchange servers and cisco set ups
[21:20] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:21] <GunnDawg> typically*
[21:21] <Etriaph> Ugh, Exchange
[21:21] <Etriaph> Google Apps ftw! :D
[21:21] <Etriaph> GunnDawg: So you work in primarily a Windows environment for services?
[21:21] <GunnDawg> Etriaph: Some businesses have "requirements" and I am paid to provide those requirements. If they paid me to convice them another direction then that'd be different ;)
[21:21] <GunnDawg> Etriaph: correct
[21:22] <Etriaph> GunnDawg: I'm sorry.  :)
[21:22] <GunnDawg> Etriaph: they pay me enough, I dont put up too much fuss.
[21:24] <bprompt> <? $insert_wise_remark_here() ?>
[21:24] <Etriaph> Ya, that's the way the cookies always crumbled for me too.  "You want to setup a JSON-RPC 2.0 service in Perl and CGI binaries for X?  Sure, step into my office."
[21:24] <GunnDawg> hehe yep
[21:25] <GunnDawg> I can do THIS for you for THIS much.   I think bugs would disagree with  you on that, say cockroaches and flies, those ride for free in a bus
[21:26] <GunnDawg> bprompt: hehe true
[21:27] <genii> Since there's not any support sessions happening, the offtopic chat is not a problem right now. But most of this talk could have taken place in #kubuntu-offtopic instead
[21:27] <bprompt> IMO microsoft makes good products... nothing to triffle about
[21:28] <GunnDawg> genii: I was just thinking that. my bad
[21:29] <BluesKaj> nothing bad about it GunnDawg, it's just a small mistake :)
[21:56] <faLUCE> hello. is there a way to record the streaming of this radio  http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3 ?
[21:56] <Etriaph> faLUCE: That's a little unrelated.
[21:57] <faLUCE> Etriaph: I know but I wonder if is there a way
[21:58] <Etriaph> faLUCE: http://www.google.com/
[21:58] <faLUCE> Etriaph: already googled. please don't be boring
[22:00] <genii> faLUCE: Hm, seems they have some server-side player thing. So it can't just be played raw in for instance VLC, unfortunately
[22:00] <genii> ( from which you could record it )
[22:01] <faLUCE> genii: there should be a recording url
[22:01] <faLUCE> genii: there should be a stream url
[22:02] <genii> faLUCE: "listen live" goes to http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03w0fz4 but when you plug that into VLC it doesn't work
[22:05] <genii> faLUCE: If you click on it there, it opens instead http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_three which also doesn't work
[22:05] <faLUCE> genii: I know
[22:05]  * genii looks at the source for a minute
[22:15] <genii> faLUCE: Looks like the source url of the actual stream is obfuscated by the player, part of the stream url is a cookie which is not displayed and a timestamp. So not easy to decode into an actual url. Might be some way to split the audio off though using jackd or similar
[22:17] <Etriaph> They use RTMP
[22:17] <Etriaph> You'd have to consume the RTMP stream and transcode
[22:18] <faLUCE> genii: no, I don't want to record audio with jack. I want to record data
[22:18] <Etriaph> The reason why I wasn't willing to assist is it may not be what the BBC intends, ie. could be a security issue.
[22:21] <genii> faLUCE: http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/tutorial_recording_computer_playback_on_linux.html may give you some ideas.
[22:21] <faLUCE> genii: no, I don't  want to record compressed audio and then re-compress it
[22:21] <genii> Well, good luck then :)
[22:28] <GunnDawg> Could someone explain why my keyboard short cuts randomly quit working until a reboot? Ctrl+Shift T to open Terminal randomly quits working until I reboot
[22:41] <GunnDawg> So new question. Randomly my keyboard short cuts quit working, but it also seems like Dolphin quit working also. Randomly
[22:41] <GunnDawg> Any rhyme or reason for it
[22:44] <genii> GunnDawg: Sounds ibus related, but I wouldn't know about debugging it, unfortunately
[22:45] <GunnDawg> genii: Alright. I guess live with it until it starts doing it too often
[22:46] <genii> GunnDawg: You on 15.04 or another?
[22:46] <genii> !info ibus-qt5 vivid
[22:46] <genii> !info ibus-qt4 vivid
[22:46] <genii> Hm
[22:47] <GunnDawg> genii: I'm on 14.04
[22:47] <genii> GunnDawg: Maybe check if that package is installed
[22:48] <GunnDawg> how can I do that?
[22:48] <genii> apt-cache policy ibus-qt4
[22:49] <GunnDawg> Installed: 1.3.2-2
[22:52] <genii> GunnDawg: Yeah, nothing else immediately comes to mind, sorry
[22:52] <GunnDawg> genii: no worries.
[22:54] <genii> GunnDawg: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309193 suggests this behaviour may happen if you change keyboard layouts
[22:54] <GunnDawg> i've never changed keyboard layouts
[23:34] <GunnDawg> What does the blue circle shown in the top left of the window do? http://i.imgur.com/KpiL4yv.png
[23:39] <Chaser_> GunnDawg: Looks like it is used  to pin the window on all desktops I believe.
[23:40] <GunnDawg> Chaser_: ty sir
[23:48] <GunnDawg> Chaser_: by chance do you know if you can get rid of it?
[23:54] <acz32> i'm having trouble renaming an image using metadata in digikam. i use the rename pattern [meta:Exif.Image.DateTimeOriginal].jpg and that part between brackets doesn't work. it just renamed to ".jpg"
[23:54] <acz32> does anyone use this program?


[21:50] <eagles0513875> phillw: hey :D belkinsa :D
[21:50] <eagles0513875> hey pleia2 :D
[21:50] <pleia2> :)
[21:50] <eagles0513875> oh look its Darkwing_ :D
[21:51] <eagles0513875> i feel quite at home here amongst friends :D
[21:51] <phillw> hi eagles0513875, hello again pleia2 :)
[21:52] <eagles0513875> i think im stuck here till 3 am :(
[21:52] <eagles0513875> and i have tons to do tomorrow
[21:53] <eagles0513875> pleia2: im wondering if there is one platform that the project as a whole could use
[21:53] <eagles0513875> i was thinking a form of a DMS (document management system) based on  CMIS
[21:54] <eagles0513875> question is would canonical sponsor a project that can be developed by the community?
[21:55] <pleia2> ok, off call
[21:55] <pleia2> so the way it would work is that a team member either puts up an instance themselves, and the doc team reviews it to see if it's suitable
[21:56] <pleia2> or one of us works with mhall119 or someone at Canonical to see about getting a test instance up in the Canonical datacenter after the code is reviewed by them (this takes a long time)
[21:56] <pleia2> now eventually we do need to work with canonical to get the code reviewed and approved anyway, but having someone personally set up one of these instnces would at least see if the doc community likes it before going through the hassle of involving canonical
[21:56] <eagles0513875> pleia2: maybe so but I think having a document management system would really help
[21:57] <mhall119> eagles0513875: yes, canonical often hosts community-developed or maintained projects
[21:57]  * pleia2 passes mhall119 a stiff drink
[21:57] <pleia2> mhall119: talking about sumo or similar again
[21:57] <mhall119> myself or balloons would be happy to work with you guys on it
[21:57] <eagles0513875> mhall119: what kind of restrictions would we be talking about in terms of a document management system if one were to be used as an alternative
[21:57] <mhall119> pleia2: ah, cool, any other options besides sumo?
[21:58] <eagles0513875> cuz i have tested a bit of alfresco but the core backend stuff is java based
[21:58] <eagles0513875> mhall119: there is alfresco which is really nice
[21:58] <pleia2> mhall119: eagles0513875 is the man with the ideas :) I shall leave you to it
[21:58] <mhall119> eagles0513875: the big thing these days is that we'd need a Juju charm to deploy it
[21:58] <eagles0513875> not really
[21:58] <mhall119> and ideally we'd use packages in the repositories
[21:58] <eagles0513875> let me show you something
[21:58] <eagles0513875> ahh ok :(
[21:59] <mhall119> but having a juju charm is the biggest thing, since our IS has switched to using cloud deployments
[21:59] <balloons> yes, a juju charm is the ticket in
[21:59] <eagles0513875> bah ok :-/
[21:59] <mhall119> eagles0513875: fortunately I've been learning how to make IS-approved charms recently, for the API website
[21:59] <balloons> is what your wanting not already charmed?
[21:59] <balloons> *you are wanting
[22:00] <eagles0513875> balloons: not sure
[22:00] <eagles0513875> never really started using juju sadly :(
[22:00] <eagles0513875> i know someone who works for canonical that does alot of that development
[22:00] <mhall119> eagles0513875: I'm happy to help when I can
[22:00] <eagles0513875> not sure if you guys would know him lol
[22:00] <mhall119> jcastro?
[22:00] <eagles0513875> no fwreade
[22:00] <eagles0513875> he is based here in malta where i am
[22:00] <mhall119> ah, I usually go bug jcastro or marcoceppi about juju things
[22:01] <balloons> +1 ^^
[22:01] <eagles0513875> well one perk with alfresco
[22:01] <eagles0513875> http://www.alfresco.com/products/community
[22:01] <eagles0513875> that is the community version
[22:01] <eagles0513875> is that it will help with even the versioning of screen shots
[22:01] <eagles0513875> as wlel it has a built in wiki and supports creation of multiple projects
[22:02] <mhall119> eagles0513875: whatever the docs team decides will work best, we will help you get it deployed
[22:02] <eagles0513875> in this case the doc team community and i dunno what else there is doc wise
[22:02] <balloons> btw, pleia2 did you decide on a meeting date / time?
[22:02] <eagles0513875> either there is that or we go through the headache of designing something from the ground up using libcmis
[22:02] <pleia2> balloons: no, brain is full
[22:02] <eagles0513875> mhall119: it seems like it shouldnt be to hard to make a charm and install alfresco
[22:02] <eagles0513875> its a bin download
[22:03] <pleia2> mhall119: so at this point everything is up in the air docs wise, we're not really sure where we are going, same old, merge desktop docs and manual, try out something like alfresco and migrate everything to it....
[22:03] <mhall119> cool
[22:03] <mhall119> pleia2: ack
[22:03] <pleia2> so initially alfresco needs to be deployed as a test bed so we can evaluate our options
[22:03] <mhall119> I looked into sumo about a year ago, and so did bkerensa and some others, but it was determined to be not suitable at the time
[22:03] <mhall119> otherwise I don't have any input on solutions
[22:03] <pleia2> bkerensa said it's better now, but still has deep mozilla roots that would need to be untangled to work for us
[22:04] <pleia2> which is obviously not optimal :)
[22:04] <belkinsa> Make sure you guys talk to the folks that deal with the management of  the community before doing this.
[22:04] <belkinsa> Just a reminder.
[22:04] <mhall119> when I looked, a lot of the mozilla integration was optional
[22:04] <eagles0513875> mhall119: the problem is wiht alfresco it uses java i believe in the core of it so you would need a rather beefy machine i think to run it sadly
[22:04] <pleia2> belkinsa: that's what we're doing right now and on the mailing list
[22:04] <eagles0513875> especially if its going to be slammed with alot of visitors
[22:04] <belkinsa> Of the Ubuntu-Doc team?
[22:04] <pleia2> belkinsa: yes, that's what this channel is for :)
[22:05] <pleia2> I asked everyone to join here so everyone can participate in the discussion
[22:05] <belkinsa> Right, right.
[22:05] <eagles0513875> mhall119: is it possible for now to request a test instance for alfresco
[22:05] <pleia2> we're not making any decisions today, just exploring options
[22:05] <belkinsa> The mailing list seems to have delays in delivery of the threads.
[22:05] <belkinsa> And I see.
[22:05] <mhall119> eagles0513875: I can create a test instance, but I'd have to manage it myself, I can't give out ssh access
[22:05] <eagles0513875> pleia2: i know that im just saying it woudl be great to let you guys have a look around alfresco
[22:05]  * balloons notes, which mailing list?
[22:05] <balloons> I need to sub
[22:06] <pleia2> eagles0513875: *nods*
[22:06] <eagles0513875> mhall119: thats ok
[22:06] <pleia2> balloons: ubuntu-doc
[22:06] <balloons> ty
[22:06] <pleia2> mhall119: yeah, you can do it in your free time
[22:06] <mhall119> eagles0513875: so if you can give me a fool-proof set of instructions for deploying I can try it out
[22:06] <eagles0513875> mhall119: http://www.alfresco.com/products/community to download it :D its a bin installer so it shouldnt be hard to get installed on your system
[22:06] <mhall119> pleia2: yeah, it shouldn't take up all 5 seconds of my free time will it?
[22:06] <pleia2> :)
[22:06] <balloons> mhall119, only half
[22:06] <mhall119> eagles0513875: have you tried installing it on your local system?
[22:07] <eagles0513875> yes on mac lol
[22:07] <eagles0513875> and windows
[22:07] <mhall119> eagles0513875: how about on Ubuntu?
[22:07] <pleia2> eagles0513875: that's it, you're out :)
[22:07] <eagles0513875> i can fire up my test vps and give it a try
[22:07] <eagles0513875> :(
[22:07] <pleia2> just kidding!
[22:07] <eagles0513875> lol
[22:08] <mhall119> eagles0513875: if you can do that and let me know the process, I will try it on a test instance
[22:08] <mhall119> eagles0513875: I can give it a public IP too (as long as we have some available) so people can poke at the web interface
[22:08] <mhall119> eagles0513875: email me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>after you've tried installing it on Ubuntu to let me know how to do it
[22:09] <eagles0513875> ya it has a public ip already
[22:09] <mhall119> what?
[22:09] <eagles0513875> its a linode vps hehe up in the uk conincidentally lol
[22:09] <eagles0513875> has a public ip already and ipv6 ip too
[22:09] <mhall119> ah, ok
[22:09] <eagles0513875> my email mhall119 is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:09]  * balloons notices https://github.com/loftuxab/alfresco-ubuntu-install
[22:10] <balloons> I'll bet you can turn that into a charm rather nicely
[22:10] <eagles0513875> who me
[22:11] <balloons> someone has already done a ton of work on the install process
[22:11] <eagles0513875> would a charm really be necessary if there is a binary installer already in place
[22:11] <eagles0513875> you can run the binary installer i know in text mode
[22:12] <mhall119> eagles0513875: yeah, a charmm is absolutely necessary if we want IS to deploy it to our servers
[22:12] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:13] <eagles0513875> will need to look into that tomorrow
[22:14] <eagles0513875> can you guys clarify something for me which is a bit offtopic in this channel
[22:15] <eagles0513875> how do charms work? and how does one code one
[22:15] <belkinsa> Does Alfresco have some comment system for users to ask questions for a community wiki page?  Or do we need something else for that if we go that way.
[22:15] <mhall119> eagles0513875: #juju can get you all the answers to charms you want, but basically they're a set of config files and scripts that let you easily install and wire-up multiple services on a variety of cloud providers
[22:16] <eagles0513875> can they be used as normal non cloud deployment scripts
[22:16] <mhall119> it can now, yes, jcastro can tell you all about that
[22:17] <belkinsa> I see, I was just thinking about having the community wiki like a blog which was your idea.
[22:17] <belkinsa> Then again, would that defeat the propose of Ask Ubuntu?
[22:18] <eagles0513875> mhall119: ill bug my friend fwreade :D who is in juju
[22:18] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: no
[22:18] <mhall119> eagles0513875: works for me
[22:18] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: my idea is based in a way off serverfault i believe
[22:19] <eagles0513875> like this http://serverfault.com/questions/544993/how-to-choose-the-virtual-host-apache-points-https-connections-to
[22:19] <eagles0513875> then again that is very much like a forum site
[22:19] <mhall119> eagles0513875: a big desire, at least last year, was having something that supports translations too
[22:19] <eagles0513875> humm
[22:20] <eagles0513875> how are translations currently done
[22:20] <eagles0513875> is pootle used?
[22:20] <mhall119> no idea what that is
[22:20] <eagles0513875> we need to be careful though cuz here we are going to end up trying to do too much and nothign gets done
[22:20] <eagles0513875> mhall119: http://pootle.translatehouse.org/
[22:20] <eagles0513875> the document foundation uses it and its very nice and easy to work with
[22:21] <eagles0513875> i think for now our main focus keeping in mind translations is the documentation
[22:21] <eagles0513875> btw when is vUDS
[22:22] <pleia2> nov 19-21
[22:22] <eagles0513875> pleia2: i think we need to coordinate a meeting on google hangouts or something
[22:22] <eagles0513875> man i dunno what im doing so far ahead
[22:22] <pleia2> haha
[22:22] <pleia2> I think our first step should be an IRC meeting :)
[22:22] <eagles0513875> i take things one day at a time
[22:22] <mhall119> eagles0513875: you can propose a meeting on the community track to discuss this
[22:22] <pleia2> with an agenda nd stuff
[22:22] <eagles0513875> pleia2: that works as well to start :)
[22:22]  * eagles0513875 goes to setup alfresco really quickly on my server then will worry about the charm related stuff later.
[22:23] <pleia2> I'll add to my list to set up a doodle poll and email the list about scheduling a meeting
[22:23] <eagles0513875> :)
[22:25] <eagles0513875> sry for adding more to your to do list pleia2
[22:25] <pleia2> hehe, it happens :)
[22:26] <belkinsa> eagles0513875 I see.
[22:26] <belkinsa> And uds.ubuntu.com is the link
[22:27] <belkinsa> pleia2 I agree, we need a meeting soon.
[22:27] <belkinsa> And thank you for taking the lead.
[22:27] <eagles0513875> mhall119: i wonder though is java something we would want to avoid in what we use?
[22:28] <pleia2> they already use jenkins, can't get much worse than that ;)
[22:28] <eagles0513875> well what i worry about is seeing as thats java if its hit really hard with users it will really eat up system resources
[22:29] <eagles0513875> mhall119: you guys should look into gerrit its very interesting and handy too to work with :D easy to push patches to it for review
[22:29] <mhall119> java should be fine, as long as it runs on openjdk
[22:30] <pleia2> gerrit <3
[22:31] <eagles0513875> that is a good question let me ask now about that mhall119 but i found documentation where i can create a charm in bash for deployment :D
[22:34] <eagles0513875> mhall119: we need to go a different route
[22:34] <eagles0513875> mhall119: alfresco works with open jdk but there are problems with it under heavy load :(
[22:34] <mhall119> :/
[22:34] <eagles0513875> mhall119: I am more then willing to develop something from scratch
[22:34] <eagles0513875> using libcmis
[22:35] <eagles0513875> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Management_Interoperability_Services
[22:35] <eagles0513875> i mean that
[22:37] <eagles0513875> i need to hatch up another idea i think
[22:38] <eagles0513875> mhall119: any languages that should be avoided?
[22:38] <mhall119> whitespace
[22:38] <mhall119> :)
[22:38] <mhall119> python is generally preferred
[22:39] <mhall119> plus we have a lot of python devs around to recruit help from
[22:39] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[22:39] <eagles0513875> i was thinking django
[22:40] <eagles0513875> but i think we would need to port CMIS which is c++ :(
[22:40] <mhall119> django would make me happy :)
[22:40] <mhall119> we have a lot of django apps, so it would fit right in
[22:41] <eagles0513875> :)
[22:41] <eagles0513875> mhall119: how would one go about starting this project ?
[22:41] <mhall119> django-admin startproject
[22:42] <eagles0513875> mhall119: im saying in terms of canonical
[22:42] <eagles0513875> lol
[22:42] <mhall119> seriously though, the first step is to document your requirements, which means talking to the rest of your team and gathering requirements, then putting them into a wiki page
[22:42] <eagles0513875> ok
[22:42] <eagles0513875> pleia2: phillw belkinsa we need an urgent meeting :)
[22:43] <mhall119> eagles0513875: there isn't really anything non-standard that needs to be done for Canonical
[22:43] <eagles0513875> ok. but is bzr a must use
[22:43] <mhall119> yeah
[22:44] <belkinsa> Sure, need a channel made?
[22:44] <eagles0513875> channel made for what belkinsa
[22:44] <eagles0513875> we dont need to register one
[22:44] <eagles0513875> mhall119: ok who manages then the bzr branches etc
[22:45] <belkinsa> Why
[22:45] <eagles0513875> is another channel necessary
[22:46] <belkinsa> Maybe if it's private meeting
[22:46] <eagles0513875> then we might as well use skype lol
[22:46] <eagles0513875> one big chat room
[22:47] <eagles0513875> mhall119: last question my apologies for all the stupid questions
[22:47] <belkinsa> It's up to you though.
[22:47] <phillw> I send my apologies, but as previously mentioned my time for this is going to be very limited for the next 8 days. I do repeat that having these discussions in what is coming up to 'quiet time' for docs, thinking ahead for 14.04 and not going for the "But we've always done it this way" is a great thing.
[22:47] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: if you want to register one speak with pleia2
[22:47] <belkinsa> You don't need too.  You can just create one and leave to destroy it.
[22:48] <eagles0513875> phillw: i think at the rate things are going alfresco is out as it has issues under load with open jdk but its looking like developing a document management system from scratch
[22:48] <eagles0513875> which i think would be best for all documentation teams to keep track of revisions of documents etc
[22:48] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: exactly lol
[22:48] <phillw> pleia2: I apologise if my phrasing on my initial email seemed 'crass', but as you have seen; there was method in my madness :)
[22:49] <eagles0513875> mhall119: do you mind if i pm you i have a discussion on another note if you do not mind.
[22:49] <phillw> eagles0513875: as I mentioned, there was a system that mozilla used, but I have no idea how far forward that has progressed.
[22:50] <eagles0513875> does it do version control of documents images etc?
[22:50] <belkinsa> Maybe a later time, eagles, maybe via e-mail, just to three of us.
[22:50] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: ya that would be best i think
[22:57] <pleia2> belkinsa: we'll have the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:57] <pleia2> all meetings in the project are logged, we need to be transparent :)
[22:57] <belkinsa> Right, duh.
[22:58] <pleia2> plus not everyone will be able to make it (work, timezones, etc) so we'll need a way for them to catch up anyway
[22:59] <pleia2> phillw: thanks, just not the kind of phrasing we want on a team where a lot of great people have put in work, we're all trying here, please keep that in mind before you tell people they don't have their act together :)
[22:59] <pleia2> it's not the way we treat each other here
[22:59] <phillw> pleia2: I'll send an apology to  the team, just tied up with crazy incomming doc people and testers.
[23:00] <pleia2> phillw: thank you
[23:00] <eagles0513875> no offense to you guys im not much of a documentation writing guy
[23:00] <eagles0513875> ill gladly contribute technical stuff such as coding etc if need be.
[23:01] <belkinsa> Heh, it's cool.  I need to say the same about more for the outreach for the greater good.
[23:01] <eagles0513875> pleia2: at this point could we start with emails between us to get the requirements we need for this project?
[23:02] <pleia2> eagles0513875: go for it, I suggest doing it on the ubuntu-doc list in a new thread so everyone can chime in
[23:02] <pleia2> like Subject: Doc system requirements
[23:03] <eagles0513875> who is volunteering to take notes on the thread lol :p
[23:03] <belkinsa> I can if needed.
[23:03] <eagles0513875> belkinsa: ironically wanted to nominate you but i wasnt sure if you would have been to happy
[23:03]  * pleia2 back to lunch&work
[23:03] <eagles0513875> ok let me draft up the email and send it
[23:03] <eagles0513875> pleia2: to the doc's list correct.
[23:03] <belkinsa> Look, I love to do things for projects.
[23:04] <belkinsa> ;)
[23:04] <eagles0513875> ok next time ill nominate you
[23:04] <eagles0513875> so you have no right to get upset at me now
[23:04] <belkinsa> xD
[23:04] <belkinsa> I'm not.
[23:04] <eagles0513875> im saying in the future silly
[23:04] <belkinsa> I'm being good hearted.
[23:04] <eagles0513875> :D
[23:05] <eagles0513875> i am as well :)
[23:08] <eagles0513875> email sent belkinsa pleia2
[23:08] <belkinsa> Cool
[23:10] <eagles0513875> mhall119: question will canonical be willing to devote man power which they pay for to such an endeavour so to speak of developing a custom document management system?
[23:14] <mhall119> eagles0513875: to develop one, probably not
[23:14] <mhall119> we just don't have enough manpower to go around
[23:14] <eagles0513875> well that is another thing i was curious about as well
[23:19] <eagles0513875> mhall119: belkinsa pleia2 phillw will talk with you gusy tomorrow finishing up here at work
[23:19] <belkinsa> See ya
[23:26] <phillw> pleia2: sorry for the rather long reply following on from my apology, it was just a case of not spamming the mailing lists with ideas etc. I've had plenty of time to think and read the email threads that were started.
[23:26] <bkerensa> :)
[23:29] <pleia2> phillw: your email was great
[23:31] <belkinsa> +1


[01:47] <hpidcock> PR please https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11515
[03:46] <babbageclunk> hpidcock: looking
[03:50] <babbageclunk> hpidcock: approved
[03:50] <hpidcock> babbageclunk: thanks
[04:48] <wallyworld_> babbageclunk: piling on, i have a couple of PRs up if you have a little time to look
[04:51] <babbageclunk> wallyworld_: otp with thumper, will look after that
[04:51] <wallyworld_> oh sorry, ty
[10:54] <wallyworld_> stickupkid: hey, so if this gets landed, it will make experiemtng with centos and windows images much easier https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11513
[10:54] <stickupkid> wallyworld_, nice, let me qa it
[10:56] <wallyworld_> stickupkid: i used it to try centos on aws etc. we still need to teach juju how to inperpret an error saying "no image for you" as something other than a "these creds are broken" error
[11:00] <hpidcock> can I get a PR reviewed at some point pls https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11509
[11:04] <wallyworld_> hpidcock: lgtm
[12:37] <SachinKulkarni> Facing a strange issue while running "juju status". it's failing with an error "ERROR cannot unmarshal accounts: yaml: control characters are not allowed"
[15:00] <achilleasa> hml: stickupkid followup fix for the constraints-with-spaces bug; can either of you review? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11519
[15:05] <stickupkid> achilleasa, so "a  b" will be "a\ \ b" right?
[15:06] <achilleasa> stickupkid: yes. Just as you would do in a shell command
[15:06] <stickupkid> fair
[15:07] <achilleasa> ideally we should also support quoted kv pairs
[15:07] <achilleasa> but it's way more effort than this small change (you'd need a tokenizer with depth counters for nested quotes etc.)
[15:08] <achilleasa> stickupkid: also, if you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1847259, you will see that Pedro tried to slash-escape the spaces
[15:08] <mup> Bug #1847259: Juju  --constraints "zones=NAME WITH SPACES" fails because of space chars <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1847259>
[15:09] <stickupkid> achilleasa, it's actually easier to read
[15:09] <stickupkid> achilleasa, I used the prior to the previous commit to compare against
[16:15] <achilleasa> hml: can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11521?
[16:15] <hml> achilleasa:  looking
[16:18] <hml> achilleasa:  approved
[16:25] <wallyworld_> stickupkid: last one :-) https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11522
[16:26] <stickupkid> wallyworld_, looking


[08:06] <elky> anyone else think that the !anyone response could be edited with prompts like "what are you trying to achieve?"
[08:07] <elky> "your real question" is a bit silly. it's still a real question
[08:08] <gnomefreak> !anyne
[08:08] <gnomefreak> !anyone
[08:31] <bazhang> elky, yes, good point. the factoid could use some freshening up
[08:34] <gnomefreak> i agree
[08:39] <elky> "You'll get much better answers if you state your problem or goal from the start, instead of asking who uses certain things. What are you trying to achieve, and what is the problem or error stopping you?"
[08:42] <bazhang> quite good, one slight modification might be "by stating" instead of "if you state"
[08:47] <elky> actually s/stating/saying/ for people who don't grasp "state"
[08:48] <elky> So, it'd be: You'll get much better answers by saying your problem or goal from the start, instead of asking who uses certain things. What are you trying to achieve, and what is the problem or error stopping you?
[08:48] <elky> I'll leave it there for more eyes to look it over
[08:49] <Tm_T> looks good to me
[08:50] <bazhang> yep
[08:51]  * gnomefreak too
[15:43] <Pricey> Hmm just got a bit of spam that I suspect is from #ubuntu
[15:44] <k1l> that sounds like we would spam for ubuntu :)
[15:45] <Pricey> Aha and it isn't just me... I see a report in #ubuntu. I'll look into it.
[15:52] <Psi-Jack> Is there a !op trigger or something in use in #ubuntu? I was trying to report YoltA whom seems to be, highly likely, whom seems to be PM spamming, most likely en-mass.
[15:54] <Pici> Psi-Jack: just got one myself too
[15:54] <Psi-Jack> Cool. :)
[15:55] <Psi-Jack> I figured it was en-mass, based on the content. Probably timed to be slow enough, too.
[15:55] <Pici> Psi-Jack: The ¡op factoid does work, but it works like any other factoid, so you'd need to use | with it.  Most ops here have the word itself on highlight though
[15:56] <Psi-Jack> Heh, yeah. Cool. I couldn't remember, because your factoid bot is... Strange.. With the whole | seperator. :)
[15:57] <Psi-Jack> Anyway, thanks. Wanted to help make sure the problem was made aware. :)
[16:01] <k1l> ich got the nick Yolta in my bash history for grepping my logs i think there were some issues before that
[16:04] <Pici> Pricey: If you're talking about Yolta, I ended up banning them.
[16:16] <Pricey> k1l: Doesn't surprise me, I'm sure I recognise it from yonks ago.
[16:16] <Pricey> Pici: ack.
[17:28] <cprofitt> I am lost with the Yolta and yonks stuff... grepping I got though :-)
[17:29] <Pici> spam
[23:25] <beatsonline> Hi there.. can someone 'un-ban  me ' from #lubuntu channel, as I'm over my problems now.
[23:27] <beatsonline> cprofitt: BTW.. Are you the Cnet guy ??
[23:29] <ikonia> hi beatsonline
[23:29] <beatsonline> Aloha
[23:30] <ikonia> whats the issue with the lubuntu channel ?
[23:30] <beatsonline> Dunno, I'm just banned from over a month ago ...
[23:31] <ikonia> why ?
[23:31] <beatsonline> I told a guy where to go ... sorry for that.
[23:31] <ikonia> that's fair enough, you know it was wrong your sorry
[23:31] <beatsonline> true.
[23:32] <ikonia> let me see if I can see one of the lubuntu ops active
[23:34] <Unit193> beatsonline: Why did you deem it necessary to tell the person trying to help you to "Fuck off" and quit?
[23:40] <Unit193> beatsonline: Are you still on?
[23:40] <ikonia> Perfie: could you please hold on
[23:40] <Perfie> You know, being an op for ubuntu would look great on my resume.
[23:41] <Perfie> ikonia, hold onto wut
[23:41] <ikonia> Perfie: someone else is in a discussion at the moment.
[23:47] <beatsonline> Unit193, I was trying something new and I got fustrated with the world at large, as computers sometimes do that to people, but TBH it was wrong and nothing personal. I'm sorry and apologise.
[23:50] <beatsonline> but I basically got tired of the Unit nick thing and thought I was talking to a machine .. which isn't too far stretched as Unit 193 is pretty impersonal when you are stressed, but I was wrong.
[23:51] <ikonia> beatsonline: there isn't a lubuntu op around at the moment as Unit193 had to leave,
[23:51] <ikonia> beatsonline: however if you leave it with me I'll attempt to get it sorted
[23:51] <ikonia> I'm assuming it won't happen again
[23:51] <ikonia> you seem to grasp fine that it was wrong, and why
[23:52] <beatsonline> Please allow me to be frank, I'm a moderator on several social networks for lubuntu OS ..and frankly it is embarrassing not being able to ask the #channel, once in a while.
[23:52] <univyrse> I was removed from ubuntu by some prick while I was talking about the recently unveiled ubuntu phone
[23:53] <ikonia> beatsonline: I understand, as there is no-one around, I can only say I'll try to get it sorted ASAP
[23:53] <ikonia> beatsonline: can you give it a few hours please ?
[23:53] <ikonia> univyrse: I'll get to you in a moment, I've muted you to give you chance to calm down and think about how you speak to people when we talk
[23:53] <beatsonline> i hav to go to bed,but there is no rush, honestly.
[23:54] <ikonia> beatsonline: no problem, thank you
[23:54] <beatsonline> how did you know who i was even thou. I have changed my nick BTW ??
[23:55] <ikonia> the lubuntu ops have a tracking system
[23:55] <beatsonline> figures.
[23:55] <ikonia> beatsonline: drop back tomorrow and hopefully I'll have got it sorted
[23:55] <ikonia> (by then)
[23:55] <ikonia> acceptable ?
[23:55] <beatsonline> yep.
[23:55] <beatsonline> thanx.
[23:56] <ikonia> great, I'll leave a note for the other ops if I can't find one before the morning
[23:56] <ikonia> but I will address it
[23:57] <ikonia> beatsonline: if you /part so we can deal with others, that would be appreciated
[23:57] <ikonia> Perfie: what's the problem ?
[23:57] <ikonia> univyrse: you're after Perfie
[23:58] <Perfie> does that really work?
[23:58] <Perfie> the whole wait in line thing
[23:58] <ikonia> as best possible,
[23:58] <ikonia> now what's up
[23:59] <Perfie> I'm just idling
[23:59] <ikonia> Perfie: please don't, you know that's not something the channel appreciates


[04:43] <RAOF> Bah!
[04:44] <RAOF> QT CREATOR!!!!!!!!!
[07:14] <anpok> alf_: do you have any thoughts regarding a new separate namespace for main loop, timer service..
[07:19] <RAOF> I don't think it's a terrible idea, but I'm not sure what it would be.
[07:19] <anpok> scheduler is a hot candidate.. like event_loop
[07:20] <RAOF> That's a pretty decent name.
[07:20] <alf_> anpok: mir::services? scheduler is not bad
[07:20] <anpok> RAOF: btw, regarding mesa - all issues so far were solved through pulling in further autotools related patches from master
[07:21] <RAOF> You autotools!
[07:21] <anpok> RAOF: what is currently in the archive is a non-functional gallium backend
[07:21] <RAOF> Ah.
[07:21] <RAOF> Heh.
[07:21] <anpok> RAOF: now it stumbles getting a good EGLConfig - i.e. surface attribute bit is wrong iirc
[07:22] <anpok> alf_: sounds good but, but what is not a service? (maybe I misnamed timer service?)
[07:22] <anpok> -but
[07:23] <alf_> anpok: fair point
[07:26] <anpok> RAOF: ah right, this one is really odd.. all config entities it checks have EGL_PBUFFER_BIT = 0x1 and one that is not listed in egl.h 0x10... so it is 0x11 while we want EGL_WINDOW_BIT = 0x4 to be set
[07:26] <RAOF> Hm. Incorrect shift?
[07:27] <anpok> I have not yet found the place where those config objects get assembled..
[07:28] <anpok> oh no it isi 0x8 + 0x1 actually
[07:28] <anpok> but that one is also not listed in egl.h
[07:28] <anpok> not as a surface type at least
[07:30] <anpok> alf_: i would like to introduce an interface like main loop that does not say "i am a single instance" - maybe something like EventLoop or Scheduler .. dunno .. which provides the FD/Timer/ActionQeueu (services :))..
[07:34] <alf_> anpok: Whether this is going to be useful depends on what needs our consumers have. For example at the moment we have a need for synchronized FD + Signal + ActionQueue (current MainLoop) and a Timer which doesn't need to be sync with them.
[07:35] <alf_> s/synchronized/serialized/
[07:35] <anpok> hm input sender needs fd + timer, none of them need to be serialized.. or in the main loop or ..
[07:36] <alf_> anpok: I guess if two services don't need to be serialized between them, we might as well pass them as separate interfaces?
[07:36] <anpok> yes
[07:37] <anpok> oh .. sorry that was what I wanted to express
[07:37] <anpok> s/an interface/a class/
[07:38] <RAOF> The way AsioMainLoop provided both mir::MainLoop and mir::Timer? :)
[07:38] <anpok> yes..
[07:39] <anpok> so that we can decide within server configuration which thread handles which type of events for which part of the mir functionality
[07:39] <alf_> anpok: RAOF: Didn't we split them apart to make things simpler? :)
[07:39] <anpok> yeah lets revert
[07:41] <alf_> anpok: hmm, if we really need this can we somehow use composition to provide the functionality and keep the eveng logic in separate classes?
[07:42] <alf_> anpok: instead of going back to the the loop super file?
[07:42] <anpok> yes.. that should be a driving goal
[07:42] <anpok> also getting rid of the unpredictable parts of asio
[07:43] <anpok> I wont be working on that this week or so..
[07:43] <anpok> Just thought about it again, as I am updateing the MPs again
[08:05] <RAOF> Man I wish gdb worked.
[08:23] <alan_g> RAOF: ? It has been working for me for at least a decade
[09:03] <RAOF> alan_g: Tried it on mir_unit_tests recently? It segfaults while trying to load the debugging symbols.
[09:04] <alan_g> RAOF: yes, I've been using it to track down weird behaviour in trust-session APIs
[11:10] <alan_g> alf_: thanks for the clue - that's fixed now and I don't have to worry about a mystery CI failure. [@https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/rework-test_client_library_old.cpp/+merge/222018/comments/533359]
[11:11] <alf_> alan_g: great, glad I could help
[11:58] <anpok> alan_g: i just realized that you suggested scheduling, while I propose scheduler instead..
[11:58] <alan_g> anpok: scheduler is likely better.
[11:59] <anpok> ... ok then I will rebase the input sender on that..
[12:07] <anpok> hm I should move TimerService too
[12:59] <anpok> alf_: I am inclined to rename mir::graphics::EventHandlerRegistrar to scheduler::FDHandlerRegistrar
[13:00] <anpok> because in input::InputSender I only use that part of the main loop interface
[14:00] <anpok> alan_g: alf_: kdub_: is the order in which parts of the DisplayServer are started and stopped relevant?
[14:00] <anpok> I see we do have test cases that ensure a specific order..
[14:01] <alan_g> anpok: yes (but I can't remember details)
[14:01] <alf_> anpok: yes
[14:01] <anpok> I think about your complaint about the name TimerService..
[14:03] <alf_> anpok: TimerServiceManagerer :P
[14:03] <anpok> hehe
[14:04] <anpok> that part of the interface is only there to start&stop it.. so maybe we could inverse it.. and make it an observer of the server state, and react by starting and stopping the thread
[14:04] <anpok> or provide a StartStoppable (suggestions welcome) interface
[14:05] <anpok> that could be driven by DisplayServer
[14:05] <anpok> but that means the we strictly follow insertion order on start and backwards on stop..
[14:05] <anpok> s/the we/that we have to/
[14:07] <anpok> or on third thought..:
[14:07] <alf_> anpok: there is also the pause/resume case which has some special needs
[14:07] <anpok> class AlarmLoop : public AlarmService
[14:38] <AlbertA> kdub_: for your alpha question yesterday...
[14:38] <AlbertA> kdub_: the issue with the alpha originally was yes, the alpha channel in nested was not initialized
[14:39] <AlbertA> kdub_: so then we initialized it to opaque
[14:39] <AlbertA> kdub_: that doesn't work for the split greeter work as it relies on being able to show through multiple nested sessions
[14:40] <AlbertA> kdub_: so then I modified it so that a nested transparent display buffer would get its alpha channel written
[14:41] <AlbertA> kdub_: and the last change was to make it actually write correct alpha
[14:41] <AlbertA> kdub_: to avoid alpha^2'ish effects
[18:52] <kdub_> sigh, why did we lose the rich pixel format type
[19:08] <anpok> kdub_: from the conversations I heard it was just side effect of unification of two types..
[19:13] <kdub_> heh, i'd say the type was just c-ified :)
[19:24] <anpok> code is patient
[19:24] <anpok> or version control systems at least
[19:25] <anpok> kdub_: maybe a good time to get that mp through :)
[19:27] <kdub_> yeah, seems like a big chunk to improve given how pervasive the type is though
[19:28] <kdub_> other fish to fry
[19:30] <anpok> hm are there affordable displays to test depp color pixel formats
[19:31] <anpok> i only know that mine sucks even at displaying 8 bit per channel
[20:34] <anpok> hi racarr_
[20:57] <racarr_> anpok: hi. What's up?
[20:58] <racarr_> seems like there was netsplit or something.
[20:58] <racarr_> did I miss something?!?!
[20:59] <anpok> nope
[21:00] <racarr_> haha
[21:00] <racarr_> I was just converting cursor test stuff to inprocess server test
[21:00] <racarr_> to find this intermittent failure
[21:00] <racarr_> and found that but still have the other half of the tests to convert now.
[21:00] <racarr_> then...I have to do the same thing for this enable usb touchscreen branch lol
[21:01] <racarr_> I feel good about getting more fake devices in fake event hub though
[21:01] <racarr_> I was thinking after that branch lands I will add a fake joystick.
[21:03] <racarr_> fake wacom style tablet, etc.
[22:11] <racarr_> hmm
[22:11] <racarr_> I have a weird throw in std::mutex::lock I dont understand
[22:12] <racarr_> Throws std::system_error when errors occur, including errors from the underlying operating system that would prevent lock from meeting its specifications. The mutex is not locked in the case of any exception being thrown
[22:12] <racarr_> like what!
[22:13] <racarr_> oh I understand
[22:13] <racarr_> lol
[22:13] <racarr_> good talk
[23:26] <kdub_> why do we have a Width /and/ a DeltaX
[23:32] <RAOF> anpok: The Dell UltraSharp line does (reasonably) affordable 10bpp panels; even the crappier ones are full 8bit. :)