[03:03] <exiliob> hi all, got some questions - trying to record some original compositions with ubuntu studio....
[03:04] <exiliob> I'm "lost in the sauce", so to speak...
[03:04] <exiliob> Could somebody give me a rundown on how I can educate myself on home recording, specifically with the tools in ubuntustudio?
[03:05] <exiliob> I plan on making a comprehensive tutorial on the subject, using 10.04 LTS
[03:09] <exiliob> be back in 30 minuntes...
[03:42] <holstein> exiliob: sure
[03:42] <holstein> you can try #opensourcemusicians
[03:42] <holstein> i dont think anyone will argue that JACK + ardour is a very professinal way to go
[03:42] <holstein> though, there are simpler ways to get started
[03:43] <holstein> if you'd like to just use audacity for example to "get your feet wet"
[03:54] <exiliob> yeah, i'm on your page now. I guess I'm missing the "start here, finish there" comprehensive tut.
[03:55] <holstein> yup
[03:55] <holstein> its more like, "if your doing A, you *can* start here.. but i start here... and here's why you should/shouldnt"
[03:56] <holstein> AND, it depends on your hardware
[03:56] <holstein> anyways... learning JACK is a trick all on its own
[03:57] <exiliob> well, i've got an older pavilion dv6000 (missing an alt key), would that someone recording just solo guitar pieces, cause that's what i'm doing. I just want some reverb as fx
[03:57] <exiliob> oh yeah, ext. recording with audiobox usb
[03:58] <holstein> yup
[03:58] <holstein> you can do that as simple or as complex as you want
[03:58] <holstein> http://www.mikeholstein.info/2011/07/living-solo-bass-made-with-ubuntu.html
[03:59] <holstein> i did that with ubuntustudio 10.04 and KXstudio packages added
[03:59] <exiliob> do have a link for the specific packages on that page (thx for the link,btw)
[04:00] <holstein> not specifices
[04:00] <holstein> not specifics*
[04:00] <holstein> mostly just upgraded custom versions
[04:01] <exiliob> ok, thanks, bbl
[04:01] <holstein> you dont nee dthem so much if you are on 11.10 though
[04:02] <holstein> not that you need them with 10.04
[04:03] <holstein> just to get newer versions past the LTS release
[04:04] <exiliob> i just read that my external audiobox isn't working so well wit 11.10
[04:05] <holstein> exiliob: check the alsa site
[04:06] <holstein> and theres also no reason to not just plug it in
[04:06] <holstein> i mean, it either works or it doesnt
[14:38] <arges> is there a way to disable pulseaudio so jack can take over? 'pulseaudio -k' seems to kill it and then jack takes over and works, but then it respawns .
[14:45] <holstein> arges: when i run jack, pulse suspends
[14:46] <holstein> running qjackctl should be all you need to do
[14:47] <arges> holstein, hmm. are those modifications for ubuntustudio? or should be normal behavior for pulseaudio/jack?
[15:25] <holstein> arges: AFAIK, thats what happens with JACK in ubuntu, and other distros as well
[15:25] <holstein> i believe its called pasuspender
[15:25] <arges> holstein, found this: " echo "autospawn = no" > ~/.pulse/client.conf"
[15:26] <holstein> you can try it for yourself, but it shouldnt kill pulse, just suspend it
[15:26] <holstein> remove pulse if you like
[15:26] <arges> yea i'm going to keep it
[15:26] <arges> and use the pulse jack sing
[15:26] <arges> sink
[15:26] <holstein> yeah, i dont do that
[15:26] <holstein> i dont want/need pulse in my studio
[15:26] <arges> basically I want to have a studio by night... coding music / mumble machine by day
[15:27] <holstein> i actually rarely use pulse on my studio machine, but i still just have it there
[15:27] <holstein> so far, i prefer having pulse
[15:27] <arges> does it add to latency too much?
[15:27] <holstein> arges: i just dont need it... i would expect similar performance
[15:28] <holstein> i start JACK, pulse goes away... i do my work, i stop JACK, and pulse makes it like a normal ubuntu destkop
[15:28] <arges> yea
[15:28] <holstein> i have been running crunchbang linux without pulse for about 6 weeks now
[15:28] <arges> ok well i just reinstalled the full 'ubuntustudio-audio' package.  so maybe i missed a few things
[15:29] <holstein> arges: no reason to install those at all if you just need a few things
[15:29] <holstein> should be fine though
[15:29] <arges> got plenty of disk space
[15:29] <arges> : )
[15:29] <holstein> sure...
[15:29] <holstein> feel free and try #opensourcemusicians too for tips and whatever
[15:30] <holstein> lots of dev's hang there, and users of all distros
[15:30] <arges> blah. pulse mixer at 100% distorts the audio
[15:30] <arges> ok
[15:30] <arges> yea adding
[15:31] <holstein> arges: check out pavucontrol too
[15:31] <arges> ahh cool


[07:46] <dpm> morning all
[07:52] <RawChid> Good morning
[14:27] <Jessica_Lily> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/824094 <-- I think that bugs more you thing
[14:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 824094 in totem (Ubuntu) "Incorrect program name for the GB locale (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:33] <kelemengabor> Jessica_Lily: I assigned to the British team, thanks
[14:33] <Jessica_Lily> o awesome :D
[14:34] <Jessica_Lily> pfft low xD
[14:38] <dpm> Jessica_Lily, I'd recommend talking to the British English translators at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-en-gb - this is a fix that can be done in 2 minutes, but it needs to be discussed so that everyone agrees with the terminology


[02:45]  * lamont2 grumbles at this stupid computer
[02:46] <StevenK> [13:41] -!- lamont2 is Jennifer
[02:46] <ion_> If it were intelligent, it might grumble at you.
[02:46] <lamont2> StevenK, yeah - I'm helping my wife's friend
[02:47] <StevenK> Ahh
[02:47] <lamont2> stupid thing is refusing to read DVDs - throws I/O errors left, right, and sideways
[02:49] <lamont2> 00:07.1 IDE interface: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] AMD-756 [Viper] IDE (rev 03)
[02:49] <lamont2> I think I'll boot back up into -14.47 and (1) see if that makes a diff, and (2) actually look at the boot log
[02:50] <lamont2> back in a few
[02:53] <vlowther> quick question:  when did Hardy switch from the old /etc/acpi power management scripts to using hal/pm-suspend and friends?
[02:53] <mjg59> When hal 0.5.10 got uploaded
[02:55] <vlowther> ... a couple of days ago, I assume?  I need to tell pm-suspend to stop messing with the video adaptor (nvidia on a laptop does not appreciate something else posting it or messing with VBE) -- where are those conf files?
[02:55] <mjg59> No, a couple of months ago
[02:56] <mjg59> Using the non-free driver?
[02:56] <vlowther> of course.  It does not work at all with nv. :/
[02:56] <mjg59> It's likely that we should just leave things up to the nvidia kernel module if it's loaded
[02:56] <mjg59> I'll look into handling that
[02:57] <vlowther> ya -- in the mean time, though, config files/gconf keys?
[02:57] <lamont2> Jan  3 19:53:25 jennifer-desktop kernel: [  142.189950] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[02:57] <lamont2> le huh?
[02:57] <mjg59> /usr/share//usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/
[02:57] <mjg59> Erm.
[02:57] <mjg59> /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/10freedesktop/
[02:58] <vlowther> ok
[02:58] <vlowther> danke
[02:59]  * lamont2 considers the option of replacing the computer with something newer than a k7-600 and bringing this one home to debug
[03:00]  * lamont2 tries checking the UI^)^ strapping on the drives. :-)
[03:00]  * lamont2 tickles Hobbsee
[03:02]  * Hobbsee tickles lamont back
[03:06] <vlowther> mjg59: how about a bug with a patch that works around the issue for now?
[03:20] <vlowther> mjg59: bug #180250 filed against hal.  The attached patch Works For Me (tm).
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180250 in hal "system fails to resume in Hardy with non-free nvidia driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180250
[03:32] <mjg59> vlowther: Hm. I'd rather put that in pm-utils itself, I think
[03:33] <mjg59> vlowther: Very similar code, but in pm/hooks/99video
[03:40] <vlowther> mjg59: sorry, where?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> heh, pitti got hit by a lp bug last night.  same as the one found at christmas
[03:56] <somerville32> for a second I read bus...
[03:58]  * lamont arrives home
[03:58] <lamont> hi Hobbsee
[04:14] <LaserJock> somerville32: hmm, I did too
[04:14] <StevenK> PONIES
[04:14]  * StevenK works on LaserJock's complex
[04:23] <LaserJock> StevenK: for goodness sakes ;-)
[04:23] <lamont> StevenK: PONIES????  kewl!
[04:24] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, ponies!
[04:25] <ScottK> Did someone say Ponies?
[04:27]  * LaserJock hides
[05:09] <CarlFK> send host-name "<hostname>"; is no longer in dhclient.conf - is there somewhere I can see why?
[06:42] <pitti> Good morning
[06:44] <StevenK> pitti: Hi! Could I convince you to sync bug 180274?
[06:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180274 in bluez-libs "Please sync bluez-libs (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180274
[06:44]  * pitti NEWs the kerrnel
[06:44] <pitti> StevenK: sure
[06:44] <StevenK> pitti: Thanks
[06:44] <pitti> StevenK: I'll process all syncs today anyway, but let me do this one first if it's urgent
[06:45] <StevenK> pitti: Nah, not urgent, just want it done
[06:45] <StevenK> pitti: I'm about to go out to the movies. If it's published and built when I get back, I'll be happy. :-)
[06:46] <pitti> enjoy!
[06:48] <StevenK> pitti: Thanks :-)
[06:57] <tjaalton> pitti: good morning, would you consider doing some promotions to main (xserver-xorg-video-openchrome, considered to replace -via as default, and xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse)?
[07:02] <pitti> tjaalton: please file a main promotion bug to leave some paper trail, I'll have a look at them
[07:02] <pitti> tjaalton: they sound fine, I don't expect that a MIR wiki page will be necessary
[07:03] <tjaalton> pitti: bug 69780 for vmmouse
[07:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 69780 in xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse "Vmmouse package should be in main instead of universe" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69780
[07:03] <tjaalton> I'll file one for openchrome, thanks!
[07:05]  * Fujitsu hopes they don't have arch-indep bits.
[07:07] <tjaalton> Fujitsu: what do you mean?
[07:07] <tjaalton> pitti: bug 180277 for openchrome
[07:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180277 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome "Please promote openchrome to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180277
[07:08] <Fujitsu> tjaalton: Well, there's this nice Soyuz bug #178102.
[07:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178102 in soyuz "(Pro|De)motion loses arch: all binaries" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178102
[07:08] <tjaalton> Fujitsu: ah, no they all should be arch: any
[07:09] <tjaalton> well, vmmouse is arch: i386 amd64, but anyway :)
[07:10] <tjaalton> (which I think openchrome should be as well)
[07:10] <tjaalton> pitti: I'm out for the most of the day, so I hope that's all you need :)
[07:10] <tjaalton> gone ->
[08:03] <slangasek> pitti: congrats on the db4.3,db4.4 demotions; but do you know why db4.2 and db4.3 packages are seeded in server-ship?
[08:03] <pitti> slangasek: hysterical raisins; I'm just at fixing that
[08:04] <slangasek> ok :)
[08:04] <pitti> so we'll soon have just 4.2 and 4.6
[08:05] <slangasek> \o/
[08:05] <pitti> we might ignore the performance issue on openldap and just convert that to 4.6, too, but I'd rather have Debian's consent for that
[08:06] <slangasek> pitti: I think that's a pretty poor trade-off in an LTS, given how much attention there was on LDAP at UDS
[08:06] <pitti> right
[08:07] <slangasek> we've more or less decided in Debian to postpone the switch to db4.6 for OpenLDAP until there's a resolution of the performance issue, which I'm told is pretty severe
[08:07] <pitti> I read it in the bug, yeah (factor 2 on some operations)
[08:08] <slangasek> hmm, should get around to uploading that one of these days though so we can knock libldap2 off the todo list :)
[08:08] <pitti> slangasek: I just wonder why the client lib needs libdb, too
[08:09] <pitti> both openldap2{,.3} b-dep  on libdb4.2-dev
[08:10] <slangasek> oh, I'm pretty sure the client lib doesn't need it
[08:10] <slangasek> but the openldap2 package is abandonware :P
[08:10] <slangasek> and was only minimally stripped down to build the client lib without the rest of the binaries when slapd was moved
[08:10] <pitti> ok, seeds updated to drop db4.[23]
[08:11]  * slangasek nods
[08:13] <slangasek> hmm, you've switched cyrus-sasl2?  does that mean the compatibility issues have been resolved?
[08:14] <pitti> slangasek: which issues? it doesn't use transactions?
[08:14] <pitti> s/?$//
[08:14] <pitti> doko_: what does expect-tcl8.3 [!none !hurd-i386] mean? (gcj-4.2 b-dep); can we drop expect-tcl8.3 now?
[08:15] <pitti> slangasek: in the Debian bug, the DDs didn't generally object to switching
[08:15] <pitti> slangasek: Russ just confirmed that db4.6 should perform better for cyrus than 4.2
[08:16] <doko_> pitti: yes, we can
[08:16] <pitti> doko_: anastacia wants it to come back due to that b-dep
[08:16] <doko_> fix anastacia ;-)
[08:16] <pitti> well, !none looks like 'true' to me :)
[08:16] <doko_> anyway, I'll upload gcj-4.2 as well
[08:17] <pitti> ah, ok; I thought you did already
[08:17] <pitti> doko_: thanks muchly
[08:18] <slangasek> pitti: there were some concerns specific to compatibility with cyrus-sasl2 raised by folks involved with cyrus-sasl2 maintenance; I'm trying to find a reference
[08:18] <slangasek> I don't know why there wasn't an open bug report against cyrus-sasl2 requesting the switch
[08:19] <slangasek> (other than people being sloppy because they hate me)
[08:26] <slangasek> pitti: heh, yes, anastacia is parsing [!none] correctly...
[08:30] <pitti> slangasek: maybe it does, I just personally don't know what !none is good for :)
[08:32] <Mithrandir> pitti: probably just as useful as !fish or !fowl
[08:32] <pitti> ah, so it's not magic
[08:32] <Mithrandir> doesn't look like it, no.
[08:39] <doko_> pitti: [] is a parse error, but [!none] did still work
[08:43] <slangasek> pitti: infuriatingly, I'm not finding anything about sasl/db as far back as 2005 in the mail archive; so I guess we may as well go with it and watch for any bug reports
[08:50] <slangasek> doko: it "works", but it means expect-tcl8.3 is a build-dep on all archs; which is the behavior you suggested should be "fixed" in anastacia...?
[08:52] <doko> slangasek: yes, that was the meaning I intended; anyway, we don't run the testsuites on hppa anymore, and therefore it's dropped (until lamont fixes expect on hppa)
[08:59] <Arelis> Hi all. I made a script in bash that downloads stuff from youtube, pulling all the files from a list, and then gives you the option to convert it to OGG or MP3. Can anybody turn that into a full-fledged, graphical program? This is the script: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50688/
[09:01] <doko> pitti: should we address libgif/libungif in ReducingDuplication as well?
[09:01] <pitti> doko: there's an ubuntu-archive bug about this transition; yes, I plan to get rid of ungif
[09:06] <Chipzz> Arelis: 1) this channel is about development of ubuntu, not with (see topic); not 100% sure, but #ubuntu-motu may be a little more appropriate; 2) mplayer has synchronisation issues with .flv files, not sure if you care about that; 3) no offence meant, but your script looks like a real hack to me (launching nautilus??)
[09:08] <Arelis> Chipzz: it still is hacky. That's why i want someone else to turn it into a full-fledged program. And sorry, somebody in #ubuntu-offtopic pointed me here.
[09:20] <dan_> it's not so much 'turn into' as 'why not write a youtube downloader' :)
[09:51] <soren> mvo: Any luck with the new kvm?
[09:52] <soren> mvo: Remember that kvm-modules puts in diversions and such, so you need to remove kvm-modules-`uname -r`, do the depmod-rmmod-modprobe thing again.
[09:54] <mvo> soren: testing now
[09:56] <mvo> soren: yeah, works fine again, thanks
[09:59] <soren> mvo: Excellent.
[10:14] <nenolod> pitti, you about?
[10:14] <pitti> nenolod: yes, I'm just closing all your sync requests :)
[10:15] <nenolod> pitti, could you look at the ia32-libs thing too? i CC'd you because you were last uploader
[10:15] <pitti> nenolod: please define 'ia32-libs thing'?
[10:15] <nenolod> one moment
[10:16] <nenolod> pitti, #179031
[10:16] <pitti> bug 179031
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179031 in ia32-libs "lib32/libSDL depends on old libraries and needs to be rebuilt, add libao2 (for zsnes in amd64)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179031
[10:17] <nenolod> i made a debdiff to add libao2, but that's all i can do there
[10:18] <pitti> nenolod: "as such, libSDL needs to be rebuilt" -> you mean ia32-libs needs rebuilding?
[10:18] <pitti> nenolod: yes, I can do that
[10:18] <nenolod> pitti, yeah. also add libao2 at the same time if you could. :)
[10:18] <pitti> of course
[10:18] <nenolod> thanks
[10:21] <StevenK> pitti: Thank you for the sync
[10:21] <pitti> StevenK: np; how was the movie?
[10:21] <StevenK> pitti: It was great.
[10:22] <StevenK> The Golden Compass; I'd read the book about a month ago
[10:22] <pitti> (and which one did you watch? don't say Alien vs. Predator!)
[10:22] <pitti> aah
[10:22] <StevenK> Oh no, Aliens vs Predator is getting a wide berth
[10:22] <nenolod> pitti, also if you could do something about bug 179471, it'd be appreciated :P
[10:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179471 in audacious-plugins "Merge audacious 1.4.5-1 and audacious-plugins 1.4.4-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179471
[10:22] <Mithrandir> TGC is a fun movie, albeit a bit too short.
[10:22] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Agreed
[10:22] <nenolod> i haven't seen the golden compass
[10:23] <nenolod> please provide spoilers
[10:23] <nenolod> :P
[10:23] <StevenK> And they missed the last two chapters of the book
[10:23] <Mithrandir> they could have made it ~50% longer and two films instead of three.
[10:23] <thom> did they butcher the plot as badly as most reviews have suggested?
[10:23] <pitti> nenolod: is it just a sponsoring request or real work to do?
[10:23] <nenolod> pitti, it's just a sponsor request
[10:23] <Mithrandir> ah, ok.  I'm pondering grabbing the books once I'm through my current pile and have some new shelves up.
[10:24] <pitti> . o O { random remark: it's just great to have a common Debian/Ubuntu games maintainer team }
[10:24] <StevenK> thom: Not by my eyes.
[10:25] <nenolod> pitti, we're trying to create a common debian/ubuntu irc packages maintainer team too
[10:25] <pitti> nenolod: awesome
[10:26] <Company> pitti: having common maintainers between distros is always awesome
[10:26] <Company> pitti: even having them talk to each others is a great thing
[10:26] <Company> pitti: way too uncommon unfortunately :(
[10:26]  * nenolod turned the audacious package around in ubuntu
[10:26] <Company> (this is from my upstream pov btw)
[10:27] <nenolod> and i'm sure the debian maintainer finds it useful that i bump the package there too when no changes are needed ;)
[10:27] <nenolod> (he added me to uploaders: :))
[10:30] <nenolod> Company, ubuntu is an important platform to me, because i am working on a very cheap computer (kind of like gPC, but much better) that will be based on ubuntu (+ custom artwork and maybe some additional stuff preinstalled)
[10:31] <nenolod> Company, so making sure my software works in ubuntu is rather important, as i intend to preinstall it ;)
[10:43] <lucas> when did Ubuntu switch to /bin/dash as /bin/sh on the buildds?
[10:43] <lucas> infinity: ^^
[10:43] <pitti> lucas: around edgy IIRC
[10:43] <lucas> ok, thank you
[11:05] <pitti> geser, mvo_: about bug 179876, wouldn't it be better to remove the Ubuntu specific source packages, use Debian's names, and merge?
[11:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179876 in compizconfig-backend-kconfig "[Remove] Please remove compizconfig-backend-{gconf,kconfig} from hardy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179876
[11:28] <pitti> Riddell: do you plan an upload of kdesdk soon? it needs a rebuild for dropping the spurious libdb4.4 dependency
[11:29] <pitti> Riddell: I tried building it with -Wl,--as-needed, but that fails
[11:32] <Riddell> pitti: nothing planned but I can take a look
[11:33] <Riddell> pitti: is that dependency a problem?
[11:33] <pitti> Riddell: ok; if not I can trigger a no-change rebuild, too, but it's quite a large set of b-deps and download
[11:33] <pitti> Riddell: 4.4 is in universe now; so if kbabel is on the CDs that'll render them uninstallable
[11:33] <pitti> if kbabel isn't, then it can wait
[11:33] <Riddell> pitti: it isn't
[11:34] <Kmos> pitti: do we need debian-maintainers package ?
[11:34] <Kmos> it's only in hardy
[11:34] <mvo_> pitti: maybe, I need to investigate how similar/different it is
[11:34] <pitti> Kmos: not really
[11:34] <Kmos> pitti: can you add it to some filter in auto-sync? :)
[11:34] <Kmos> and remove it from hardy
[11:34] <pitti> Kmos: I can; please file a removal bug, to have a paper trail
[11:35] <Kmos> pitti: one, i will do
[11:35] <Kmos> ups
[11:35] <Kmos> pitti: ok, i will do
[11:35] <Kmos> :)
[11:35]  * Hobbsee waves
[11:36]  * Hobbsee hopes for l-u-m soon
[11:38] <thom> pitti: cheers!
[11:39] <pitti> hey Hobbsee
[11:39] <Hobbsee> BenC: ping.  can i ask a silly question?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> pitti!
[11:39]  * Hobbsee hugs pitti
[11:39] <pitti> hi thom, happy new year! what's up?
[11:39] <thom> pitti: happy new year mate. was just saying thank you for the puppet sync :)
[11:39] <pitti> thom: ah, no problem
[11:54] <soren> lamont: Am I imagining things or did you not mention recently that you were working on bug 173868?
[11:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173868 in postfix "postfix-doc unremovable if postfix not installed" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173868
[11:57] <lamont> soren: hrm... I was working/fixed the uninstallable if not installed version
[11:57] <lamont> I'll have to peek at it again. :(
[11:57] <lamont> but for the moment, I'm going to go back to bed for a bit
[12:04] <soren> lamont: Ah, ok.
[12:04] <soren> lamont: Fair enough.
[12:04] <soren> lamont: Can I assign it to you?
[12:06] <lamont> soren: sure
[12:24] <lamont> postfix-doc cannot use postconf without checking for existance.
[12:24] <lamont> Addresses-Ubuntu-Bug: 173868
[12:24] <lamont> Signed-off-by: LaMont Jones<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:26] <lamont> soren: I do love it when the bugs are trivial.
[12:26] <lamont> OTOH, I hate it when I miss something so obvious
[12:36] <lamont> is it a known feature that (d-i) install on a 1.8 TB partition has issues (while 1.6TB works)?
[12:36] <lamont> s/feature/issue/
[12:37] <lamont> "looked like it was fine, then crashed loading the boot loader"
[12:45] <ScottK> Good morning pitti.  Thanks for all the syncs and backports today.
[12:46] <ScottK> pitti: It seems I made a mistake with the clamav backport to feisty and neglected to actually put in the bug which version I was thinking should be backported (entirely my fault).
[12:46] <pitti> ScottK: yw; was quite a batch today, holiday lag
[12:46] <pitti> ScottK: oh, uh
[12:47] <ScottK> pitti: As a result, I just introduced a library transition (libclamav2 -> 3).
[12:47] <ScottK> Yeah.
[12:47] <pitti> ScottK: well, then it'll just get stuck in NEW and I can reject the binaries
[12:47] <ScottK> It affects roughly two handfulls of packages.
[12:47] <ScottK> Ah.. Cool.
[12:47] <lamont> ScottK: re: QMQP_README --> wietse still delivers it in README_FILES, and I deliver everything in that directory
[12:47] <lamont> should I specifically drop that file?
[12:48] <lamont> (bug 172925 comment of yours)
[12:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172925 in postfix "postfix upgrade does not add 'retry' service" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172925
[12:48] <ScottK> pitti: After that can the version in gutsy-security be backported?
[12:49] <pitti> ScottK: it'll have a lower version number, but since that affects only the source package that should be fine (I can remove the current backport
[12:49] <pitti> ScottK: which bug# was it?
[12:49] <ScottK> pitti: Bug #177537
[12:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177537 in clamav "Remote Code Execution" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177537
[12:49] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks.  This is what I get for trying to do stuff while on the road for Christmas vacation.
[12:50] <ScottK> lamont: Sounds like an upstream issue with either README_FILES or the upgrade script.
[12:50] <ScottK> I'm really not sure.
[12:51] <lamont> ScottK: OK.  it'll magically disappear when Wietse stops delivering it. :-)
[12:51] <lamont> I'm tempted to close bug 59268 as fixed in 2.4 as well
[12:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59268 in postfix "dpkg postinst failed, because it tries to start postfix twice (and does not catch running state)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59268
[12:52] <lamont> stopping twice is, um, a feature.
[12:54] <Mithrandir> lamont: is that a feature-feature or a lamont-feature?
[12:54] <Mithrandir> :-P
[12:55] <ScottK> lamont: Great feature (the stopping twice).  The postinst should support the feature then ;-)
[12:55] <lamont> it clubs it over the head twice to make sure it really stopped. :-P
[12:56] <Mithrandir> lamont: sure you shouldn't remove the rc2.d links and reboot the machine while you're at it?
[12:56] <lamont> and no, I'm not sure why it feels the need.
[12:56] <lamont> Mithrandir: I suspect that'd get me a grave bug. :-)
[12:56] <Mithrandir> (and then run the postinst as an @reboot cron entry)
[12:56] <lamont> LOL
[12:56]  * Mithrandir goes to take his pills
[12:57]  * lamont goes to turn off the alarm so his wife doesn't notice that he forgot to come back to bed.
[12:57] <elmo> Mithrandir:  I think you've had quite enough of those
[12:57] <StevenK> elmo: Or not enough
[12:57] <Mithrandir> elmo: but they're nice!  blue and red and green and all.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> or nowhere near enough, yes
[12:57] <lamont> Mithrandir: it's possible that they're affecting your work performance though...
[12:57] <Hobbsee> adversely, though?
[12:58] <ogra> lamont, do you have any hint for bug 179130 ? (good to see you back btw :))
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179130 in livecd-rootfs "Typo in argument parsing and unknown sanitize command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179130
[12:58] <ScottK> pitti: Do you want a comment in the clamav bug from me on the version needed for Feisty or is this conversation good enough?
[12:58] <pitti> ScottK: just updated the bug
[12:59] <pitti> s/:/: I/
[12:59] <ScottK> pitti: Perfect.  Thanks for fixing and sorry for the trouble.
[12:59] <pitti> np
[13:11] <pitti> nenolod: hm, not sure what you mean with libdirectfb and ia32-libs
[13:11] <pitti> nenolod: oh, ignore me, I know what you mean; should be all good now
[14:20] <Hobbsee> Kmos: please do not file crap bugs in debian, and admit to being an ubuntu user.  thankyou.
[14:21] <Kmos> Hobbsee: which ones are you talking about ?
[14:22] <Hobbsee> Kmos: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459107
[14:22] <ubotu> Debian bug 459107 in telepathy-qt "New upstream version 0.14.1" [Wishlist,Open]
[14:22] <Kmos> what's the problem with that one?
[14:23] <Hobbsee> Kmos: the maintainers want to talk to you about it, on oftc, in #debian-qt-kde
[14:23] <Kmos> 0.0.2064-1 is more recent ?
[14:24] <Hobbsee> Kmos: do you know the address?
[14:24] <Kmos> Hobbsee: yes..
[14:24] <Hobbsee> cool
[14:24] <Hobbsee> they're waiting
[14:28] <dcotruta> hello all
[14:29] <dcotruta> anyone care to lend a hand with a driver problem (i want to extend an existing driver)
[15:26] <soren> doko: Should the new icedtea-java7 upload have any effect on bug 152362 ?
[15:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152362 in icedtea-java7 "icedtea-java7-plugin always crashes firefox" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152362
[15:26] <doko> soren: I don't know
[15:26] <soren> doko: Heh :)
[15:27] <soren> doko: I'll wait for it to build and let you know, then .
[15:45] <pitti> ScottK: clamav> ok, I think I got it now
[16:12] <tkamppeter> anyone of the OOo guys around?
[16:17] <pitti> hi tkamppeter, happy new year!
[16:27] <tkamppeter> pitt, thanks, also happy new year!
[16:28] <tkamppeter> OOo seems not to have been updated for Alpha 2, a full updatre of Hardy still wants to remove it.
[16:33] <pitti> known problem
[16:33] <_MMA_> tkamppeter: calc was working on some issues when I talked to him last.
[16:34] <tkamppeter> calc? Are you here?
[16:35] <tkamppeter> is anyone of you using an up-to-date Hardy with OOo? How did youy proceed to set it up?
[16:35] <stgraber> tkamppeter: execute soffice, then open your document
[16:36] <tkamppeter> So I do the "apt-get dist-upgrade" and after it has removed the two OOo packages "soffice" is still there?
[16:40] <stgraber> tkamppeter: IIRC, yes :)
[16:40] <stgraber> tkamppeter: I remember of a dist-upgrade removing tons of OpenOffice packages but soffice still working after that
[16:40] <stgraber> tkamppeter: but I did that dist-upgrade at least a week ago (probably two)
[16:42] <tkamppeter> stgraber thank you, I have set up a new laptop by installing a Gutsy live CD and now I am upgrading it to Hardy, to use it for the Ubuntu development.
[16:43] <tkamppeter> Does this also mean that the OOo packages in question were not present on Alpha 2?
[16:45] <stgraber> well, ubuntu-desktop depends on -writer, -calc, -gnome and -impress
[16:45] <stgraber> those are installed so everything is fine
[16:46] <stgraber> what isn't is openoffice.org itself as it depends on openoffice.org-base which causes a conflict (libhsqldb-java)
[16:48] <tkamppeter> And what are openoffice.org and openoffice.org-base good for then?
[16:50] <stgraber> looks like openoffice.org-base is broken (or libhsqldb-java), so ones this one is fixed you should be able to install openoffice.org and all its depends
[16:58] <tkamppeter> stgraber, do you know which functionality of OOo is in the packages openoffice.org-base and openoffice.org?
[16:59] <stgraber> it's the base interface IIRC (sort of Access-like module)
[16:59] <tkamppeter> So it is only for databases?
[17:00] <stgraber> I think so (never played with that part of OOo)
[17:29] <calc> tkamppeter: yes
[17:30] <calc> tkamppeter: base is just for database stuff, openoffice.org is just a metapackage
[17:32] <tkamppeter> Thank you calc
[18:30] <pitti> calc: libcommons-lang-java FTBFSed, can you please have a look? I need to leave now
[18:30] <pitti> You must specify a valid ANT_HOME directory!
[18:31] <pitti> calc: ^ yay for Debian doing binary uploads :/
[18:31] <pitti> calc: seems trivial to fix
[19:30] <ion_> Re: the hassle with flashplugin-nonfree every time a new upstream version is released (LP #173890), has anyone tried to convince Adobe/Macromedia to release the separate versions at separate URLs?
[19:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173890 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree fails to install... new version?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173890
[20:27] <ScottK> ion_: Even if they released different versions, if you don't run the latest, you're stuck with multiple unfixed security bugs.
[20:44] <ion_> scottk: The Ubuntu package isn’t going to be able to download the latest package *anyway* until it gets updated as well. That leaves a period of time when flashplugin-nonfree is not installable.
[20:44] <ion_> (Since it gets the “wrong” tarball from the site)
[20:45] <ScottK> True.
[20:46] <ScottK> I suppose that it one good reason.
[20:46] <ScottK> If course not installable makes the SRU justification easier ;-)
[20:47] <persia> ScottK: Well, yes, except for regression risks (like the current konqueror breakage)
[20:47] <ScottK> Yes, but given the security issues, I think we'd have no choice but to update anyway.
[20:48] <persia> Scylla and Charybdis
[20:48] <ScottK> Pretty much.
[20:49] <ScottK> persia: Do you know if bzip .debs are OK in Ubuntu yet?
[20:49] <Ubulette> persia, fyi, i'm done with prism-webapps. problem is, i don't know what to do with icon licenses
[20:49] <Ubulette> oops, wrong channel
[20:51] <persia> ScottK: dpkg changelog says lzma is fine (since 1.14.12ubuntu3) and .bzip2 as well (since 1.10.24).
[20:55] <dmb_> i think the best solution would be to work out the problem with adobe, and have them create versioned tars
[21:43]  * \sh 's doomed...same error running debootstrap on hardy as last time
[21:43] <\sh>  /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 317: cannot create /home/shermann/hardy_chroot/test-dev-null: No such device or address
[21:45] <Chipzz> what version of python will hardy ship with? 2.5?
[21:46] <persia> Chipzz: At least 2.4 and 2.5 will be included.
[21:51] <\sh> yay for bug #180157
[21:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180157 in debian-installer "XFS root filesystem - install fails with "noexec or nodev" error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180157
[21:52] <\sh> every partition of my system is xfs, but not /boot so I'm fcked
[21:52] <persia> Um.  Shouldn't the install fail when trying to push to noexec?  I'd think nodev also.
[21:54] <slangasek> clearly, the install does fail? :)
[21:54] <\sh> slangasek: the install does fail....check the bugreport...I added now debootstrap to it...
[21:54] <\sh> root@home-emt64:/home/shermann# debootstrap hardy hardy_chroot/
[21:54] <\sh> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 317: cannot create /home/shermann/hardy_chroot/test-dev-null: No such device or address
[21:54] <\sh> E: Cannot install into target '/home/shermann/hardy_chroot' mounted with noexec or nodev
[21:55] <\sh> /dev/sda6 on /home type xfs (rw)
[21:55] <\sh> /dev/sda5 on /var type xfs (rw)
[21:55] <\sh> is my home partition...mounted without noexec, nodev...so it should work...but it's xfs
[21:55] <\sh> or do I understand this errormsg not correctly...and it needs noexec, nodev? ,-)
[21:56] <slangasek> if you try to run "mknod /home/shermann/test-dev-null c 1 3" directly, you get that same error I guess?
[21:57] <\sh> no
[21:57] <slangasek> it needs to not have either of noexec and nodev
[21:57] <slangasek> if the xfs filesystem defaults have changed, that's nutty, but in that case you could try mounting it with "exec,dev"
[21:58] <slangasek> \sh: you /don't/ get that error?
[21:58]  * persia is confused, and suspects xfs trickery
[21:58] <\sh> slangasek: doing the mknod I don't get any error...but I think I need to check the $?
[21:58] <slangasek> so do you get a different error, or a successful device creation?
[21:58] <\sh> slangasek: there is no device created..so I think it returns $?=1 (me needs to check)
[21:59] <slangasek> you should get an error message if it fails, AFAIK
[21:59] <\sh> slangasek: no..the error message comes from debootstrap...mknod failes silently it seems
[22:00] <slangasek> for that matter, if I remount my ext3 /home with "nodev", I can still create devices, I just can't use them :)
[22:01] <\sh> slangasek: well, fact is, /home or /var are not mounted with noexec,nodev, so when I do a -o remount,exec,dev I only see in my mount output "(rw)" ... now trying the other way around
[22:01] <\sh> yuck...una momenta
[22:02] <\sh> ok...
[22:02] <\sh> now...mknod works
[22:02] <\sh> device is created
[22:02] <persia> \sh: patch XFS to have sane defaults :)
[22:03] <\sh> but /usr/share/debootstrap/functions: check_sane_mounts() doesn't work
[22:03] <slangasek> what did you have to change to get the device created?
[22:03] <\sh> slangasek: mount /home/ -o remount,exec,dev
[22:04] <\sh> but by default it's already exec,dev
[22:04] <slangasek> and yet somehow not? :)
[22:04] <\sh> slangasek: mknod /home/shermann/hardy_chroot/test-dev-null c 1 3 works as expected...(the first time I checked in the wrong dir)
[22:05] <slangasek> ah
[22:05] <\sh> slangasek: but inside debootstrap it doesn't work somehow...I have to check why not...trying to play with the code in check_sane_mounts manually
[22:05] <slangasek> so what happens if you run 'echo test > /home/shermann/hardy_chroot/test-dev-null; echo $?' after that?
[22:06] <\sh> root@home-emt64:~# echo "test" > /home/shermann/hardy_chroot/test-dev-null ; echo $?
[22:06] <\sh> -su: /home/shermann/hardy_chroot/test-dev-null: No such device or address
[22:06] <\sh> 1
[22:06] <slangasek> well, there you go
[22:07] <\sh> crw-r--r--  1 root     root     1, 3 2008-01-04 23:02 test-dev-null
[22:09] <slangasek> so xfs appears to have a problem with devices
[22:09] <slangasek> not an installer or debootstrap bug then, but an xfs bug
[22:10] <\sh> slangasek: so a kernel problem
[22:10] <slangasek> yes
[22:11] <\sh> ok..I'll add our kernel package to bug #180157 and mark the other packages as invalid and adding our testcase
[22:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180157 in debootstrap "XFS root filesystem - install fails with "noexec or nodev" error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180157
[22:18] <\sh> what is the source package name for our linux image?
[22:18] <\sh> linux-source-2.6.24?
[22:19] <ScottK> \sh: No source.  Just linux-
[22:22] <LaserJock> ?
[22:22] <Lure> can somebody give-back kdepimlibs (now that kde4libs built)?
[22:23] <ScottK> Riddell can do it, can't he?
[22:25] <Lure> ScottK: I think not, he is not on launchpad-buildd-admins team
[22:26] <Lure> ScottK: ENOHOBBSEE ;-)
[22:26] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.  Need a buildd admin, not an archive admin.
[22:27] <\sh> so bug #180157 should be corrected now..assigned the kernel team
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180157 in linux "XFS root filesystem - install fails with "noexec or nodev" error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180157
[22:28] <\sh> time for some nicotine
[22:28] <\sh> slangasek: thx for tracking this down :)
[22:30]  * slangasek nods
[22:30] <\sh> now for a quick solution of this problem
[22:31] <\sh> what's a good and fast fs for a 500GB drive?
[22:31] <Lure> \sh: raw disk ;-)
[22:31] <slangasek> ext3 is the only fs I use
[22:31] <slangasek> I've used xfs in the past, but got tired of seeing files full of zeroes
[22:32] <sladen> my tmpfs is faster than your xfs
[22:32] <Lure> slangasek: same here :-(
[22:32] <sladen> (and has the same affect on files post-boot)
[22:32] <\sh> slangasek: well, playing with storage sizes like >5TB ext3 is a pain..and xfs is fast for this...
[22:32] <Lure> you just cannot trade reliablity for performance if you care about your data
[22:33] <slangasek> \sh: 500GB <= 5TB
[22:33] <\sh> slangasek: yeah...but my 500GB drives are coming out of a system with 5TB ;)
[22:33] <\sh> writing inode-tables: xxx/3727
[22:34] <\sh> there is still one drive which I need to send to imbrandon
[22:38] <\sh> ok..with ext3 it works now
[22:52] <imbrandon> :)
[22:59] <smarter> Hi
[22:59] <smarter> are the scripts to generate the http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/i18n/Translation-xx files from the .po files available?


[05:45] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:18] <BenC> hey fabbione
[06:18] <fabbione> hey BenC
[06:18] <fabbione> BenC: i am trying to debug why my ia64 doesn't boot... hopefully i will be able to tell you something when you wake up
[06:19] <fabbione> i am also seeing some random CPU soft lookups on Niagara
[06:19] <fabbione> i am sure David and I fixed that in .15
[06:19] <dilinger> BenC: at some point i'll probably get more sata_mv hardware and try to make it work in dapper again.. but for now, i had to send the hardware back
[06:19] <fabbione> but i am wondering if we did push the wrong button somewhere
[06:34] <BenC> fabbione: ok
[06:35] <fabbione> at least upstart works on ia64
[06:35] <fabbione> modulo serial console
[06:47] <fabbione> BenC: booting mkinley instead of itanium works fine... but this is kind of strange because for dapper it was the other way around
[07:35] <fabbione> BenC: did you pull from me by anychange?
[07:35] <fabbione> i can't see the commits in the shortlogs
[07:36] <BenC> pretty sure I did
[07:38] <fabbione> or did you only fetch the objects?
[07:38] <fabbione> if not, don't sweat it.. i will have another update relatively soon
[07:39] <fabbione> oh there it is
[07:39] <fabbione> yes
[07:39] <fabbione> i found it
[07:39] <fabbione> it was in all that ACPI noise
[07:40] <fabbione> oh btw.. did you ever get around to play with that webcam?
[07:42] <fabbione> [    4.694425]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#11!
[07:42] <fabbione> [    4.694435]  Call Trace:
[07:42] <fabbione> [    4.694442]   [000000000043417c]  smp_percpu_timer_interrupt+0xbc/0x160
[07:42] <fabbione> humps
[07:42] <fabbione> do you see the same on your e3k?
[09:12] <doko_> are lrm supposed to work with the recent kernel?
[09:13] <fabbione> doko_: edgy?
[10:08] <doko_> fabbione: yes
[10:08] <fabbione> doko_: nvidia works here just fine
[10:09] <doko_> fglrx doesn't, and the ath0 driver isn't loaded on my notebook
[10:10] <fabbione> can't say.. i don't use any of these
[11:48] <mjg59> BenC: You seem to have reverted the threaded ACPI stuff, but not added the replacement code I sent?
[11:50] <mjg59> BenC: There was 0003-Fix-fan-control-on-HP-hardware
[11:54] <mjg59> Also you haven't added the fan fix code I sent on Wednesday, but I guess you just haven't got to that yet :)
[03:03] <zul> Mithrandir: http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/screenshots.html
[03:04] <Mithrandir> zul: shiny.
[03:06] <Mithrandir> zul: you going to package it?
[03:06] <zul> yep, ill put it on my list for this weekend
[03:06] <imbrandon> hey zul can i poke you for what is possibly a stupid question
[03:06] <zul> sure
[03:07] <imbrandon> heh i just noticed ( by installing a knot3 canidate ) that my lappy is cpu scalling, normaly this is good BUT i dident think ppc's scaled
[03:07] <imbrandon> its a 800mhz ppc ibook
[03:07] <zul> heh i only do intel :)
[03:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:08] <zul> but someone else might know
[03:08] <imbrandon> i was just wondering becosue afaik ppc dident scale the cpus but i coudl be totaly off base
[03:08] <imbrandon> could*
[03:08] <imbrandon> and ppc people alive awake ?
[03:09] <zul> imbrandon: the last ppc i had was in grade 7 and it didnt scale ;)
[03:09] <imbrandon> hahhaha
[03:09] <imbrandon> a full 33mhz or none ;)
[03:09] <mjg59> imbrandon: Mobile PPCs scale
[03:09] <imbrandon> mjg59, ok that would explain it as its a lappy ;)
[03:10] <imbrandon> thanks
[03:10] <imbrandon> just wanted to be sure guidance power mgr wasent botched
[03:11] <imbrandon> ok later guys, thanks
[06:37] <mjg59> BenC: Got the patches I sent?
[06:44] <BenC> mjg59: yeah
[06:47] <mjg59> BenC: Cool
[07:29] <mjg59> zul: have you pushed the jmicron driver?
[07:29] <mjg59> It doesn't appear to be in git
[07:30] <zul> mjg59: i sent the driver though the ml
[07:31] <mjg59> zul: You might want to chase that up
[07:31] <zul> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2006-September/001050.html
[07:31] <zul> BenC: ping ^^^
[07:32] <BenC> zul: got it, just trying to get a dapper kernel out
[07:32] <zul> BenC: Cool
[07:34] <mjg59> Ok, just making sure it doesn't get lost :)
[07:35] <zul> heh...any people can stop emailing me


[00:11] <ScottL> TheMuso, ack
[00:26] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ah I see why it was failing to build properly using an orig tarball and a diff.gz... abogani used symlinks, and a .diff.gz cannot represent symlinks.
[00:46] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ok a much improved low latency kernel now on revu.
[01:13] <ScottL> TheMuso, outstanding!
[01:13] <ScottL> i'll poke apw about it
[01:14] <TheMuso> ScottL: Hold up. I am going to push my changes to a git repo so he can look that over if need be. Give me a sec and I'll give you the URL for it.
[01:14] <ScottL> okay :)
[01:18] <TheMuso> ScottL: Ok, I've pushed the current state of things to git://kernel.ubuntu.com/themuso/ubuntu-precise-lowlatency.git
[01:20] <TheMuso> afk for a bit
[02:51] <ScottL> digging into the theme not settings, the lightdm not settings, and the xsession not settings thanks to len 's notes
[17:20] <scott-work> i'm not sure what to do, i have ping apw (kernel UKT guy) several times about the lowlatency kernel, in particular to ask about an ETA for his check, and i've gotten no response
[17:20] <scott-work> i really don't want to be dorky about this and make him mad by continuous pinging though
[17:20] <scott-work> that is NOT a bridge i would like to burn
[17:20] <holstein> yeah... whats the timeline though?
[17:22] <scott-work> i believe today is the feature freeze (although i could check that fact), which has been infered as the date we would need to get this done
[17:22] <scott-work> of course, we could also file a FFe
[17:22] <holstein> extension?
[17:22] <scott-work> tgardner says he will look at it though now :)
[17:35] <ailo> Feature freeze should be today within a few hours
[17:35] <ailo> Great work scott-work
[17:36] <scott-work> ailo: thank you, but i really didn't do any _real_ work...basically it was been abogani and TheMuso
[17:38] <ailo> scott-work: Absolutely, but you will have done your bit to help get the kernel into the repo, which is where we need it.
[17:38] <scott-work> agreed
[20:23] <TheMuso> scott-work: Anybody uploaded the kernel to precise yet?
[20:24] <TheMuso> scott-work: I only ask because Tim gave his ok on revu.
[20:25] <ailo> scott-work_: ping
[20:25] <scott-work_> TheMuso: ailo:  sorry, been away doing stuff
[20:26] <scott-work_> TheMuso: i am not aware that anyone has uploaded it
[20:26] <scott-work_> TheMuso: would you like me to query a specific channel about the potential upload?
[20:26] <scott-work_> ailo: thank you for pinging me again
[20:27] <TheMuso> scott-work_: No, I don't think it would have been uploaded yet, so I will do it, and we will see how things go. I am confident it should be ok given Tim's review.
[20:27] <scott-work_> TheMuso: outstanding!
[20:27] <TheMuso> scott-work_: We only then need to get a meta package into the archive, but that shouldn't be difficult.
[20:27] <scott-work_> quite an exciting milestone for us
[20:27] <TheMuso> Indeed.
[20:28]  * TheMuso goes to push the button.
[20:28] <scott-work_> TheMuso: and update our seeds to include the kernel as well :)
[20:28]  * ailo stands ready with the champagne
[20:28] <micahg> TheMuso: you still need a second MOTU to review it
[20:28] <holstein> w00t!
[20:29] <TheMuso> micahg: Tim is a core-dev?
[20:29] <micahg> oh?
[20:29] <TheMuso> He didn't actually advocate on revu, but gave it a +1.
[20:29] <TheMuso> in comments.
[20:30]  * TheMuso checks to be sure.
[20:30] <micahg> yeah, he is
[20:30] <micahg> phew, saves me from doing it :)
[20:31] <TheMuso> Ok, will go ahead then.
[20:33] <TheMuso> abogani: Please pull from git://kernel.ubuntu.com/themuso/ubuntu-precise-lowlatency.git when you get a chance, there are some packaging changes in there that will be going into the upload to precise, and your tree is still the given tree in the Vcs-Git field.
[20:34] <TheMuso> abogani: Tim basically redid your tree, removed the quilt patch and made it a git commit. I also removed the symbolic links, as they prevented the package from being built with the upstream kernel.org tarball.
[20:35] <TheMuso> scott-work_: Longer term, I think we need to move the tree to somewhere where all three of us can colaborate on it.
[20:35] <TheMuso> scott-work_: I'm happy to do the packaging legwork if you guys maintain it.
[20:37] <scott-work_> TheMuso: do you mean in bzr or in a git repository?  in the blueprint there was discussion about using git so we can easily rebase on kernel changes i believe
[20:39] <TheMuso> scott-work_: Yes git. You don't want to use bzr, and git means that you get all the commit history from the kernel team, and the upstrea kernel.
[20:39] <TheMuso> scott-work_: I was thinking we set up a team on gitorious or some such.
[20:40] <TheMuso> And, the kernel goes up with 20 minutes to spare. :p
[20:55] <scott-work_> lol
[20:58] <TheMuso> And the kernel is uploaded.
[21:07] <scott-work_> YAY!
[21:07] <scott-work_> thank you very much TheMuso and abogani for your work on this, it certainly would not have been possible without you!  :-D
[21:07] <scott-work_> i need to update the blueprint as well :)
[21:08] <TheMuso> Cool.
[21:08] <TheMuso> That reminds me...
[21:09] <len> SO I take it the new kernel will show in tomorrows ISO?
[21:11] <scott-work_> len: not until we update the seeds and then update the metas
[21:11] <scott-work_> so this might be a week or so
[21:11] <scott-work_> BUT i can update the seeds for audacity and mudita during the same time
[21:11] <TheMuso> Not even then. It has to be approved in the new queue.
[21:11] <scott-work_> len: and thank you for your email for the lightdm stuff, i'm going to respond with details and i'm making the changes
[21:11] <TheMuso> We also need to upload the linux-lowlatency-meta package which abogani has in git, but that shouldn't be a problem getting in.
[21:13] <len> I am also looking at the jackd package. I am thinking we should be able to put a config file in the settings package that sets real time for jackd.
[21:13] <len> Actually it would tell the jack package we answered yes.
[21:15] <len> scott-work: I will email what I think would work.
[21:16] <len> The other area that needs looking at theme wise is the second panel.
[21:17] <len> It has a number of selections for programs that we don't ship. I can edit that file too to at least remove the stuff we don't have.
[21:17] <len> Personally, I would remove the second panel, but then I have a small screen.
[21:29] <len> scott-work_  ^^
[22:16] <scott-work_> len: aye, as you noted previously, there are menu items that don't work as well (as with the panel)
[22:16] <scott-work_> i was choosing not to address this quite yet until we get a working live-dvd, ubiquity working, yadda, yadda
[22:17] <scott-work_> but also because i wanted to address the menu structure at the same time as these items, even though we will be touching the default-settings package again
[23:15] <holstein> wow!... thanks *so* much ScottL & TheMuso & micahg ...we have a kernel for RT!
[23:42] <TheMuso> Low latency anyway.
[23:44] <holstein> yup... it should work
[23:44] <holstein> our crack testing team indicates :)
[23:44] <ailo> It works with flying colors!
[23:45] <ailo> Every distro should have one!
[23:46] <ailo> Even better would be if the generic kernel was scalable somehow that you didn't need -lowlatency
[23:46] <holstein> i think we are close
[23:47] <holstein> i bet 14.04 doent need it
[23:47] <ailo> holstein: Don't bet on it
[23:47] <ailo> I mean, the code is already there
[23:48] <ailo> I don't know who controls whether a vanilla linux would be better or worse for realtime
[23:48] <ailo> But, as long as there is no interest for that to happen, it might only happen by chance
[23:48] <ailo> And in that case, it might work well for one linux version for example, but the next one not
[23:49] <holstein> we'll see
[23:49] <holstein> as long as we have our lowlatency one :)
[23:50] <ailo> It's not in anyway a natural direction for kernel development AFAIK
[23:50] <ailo> It might be. I'm just guessing
[23:51] <ailo> -lowlatency is pure gold


[00:12] <picard1421> anyone here?
[00:57] <patrickd_> Is there an "approved" way of installing Dropbox in kubuntu?
[01:23] <Bad_Cow> Hi, is there anyone awake?
[01:24] <Bad_Cow> Could someone help me to configure 5 button mouse on kubuntu 10.04?
[02:49] <quaxir> Heydo, Does anyone know how to rename icons in "Desktop Folder"-widget? If I try to rename them with "F2", nothing happens =/
[02:51] <rackIT> Running kosmic on a laptop - wireless says "unmanaged" and won't connect anymore. How do I make it "managed" again?
[02:59] <rackIT> my bad - karmic
[03:45] <avihay> quaxir: how bout right-click -> rename ?
[03:48] <quaxir> avihay, didn't work. But managed to get it working by editing those launcher-files with "sudo kate <file>" and then refreshing widget
[04:34] <giova> What is the KDE sw that shows the hardware in a system?
[04:35] <skumara> i get this error 'The following packages block the update: pm-utils-powersave-policy'. I want to install laptop mode. pls help.
[04:37] <skumara> am i still conected to this chat room?
[04:42] <picard1421> hey where is the plugs area located of KDM?
[04:42] <picard1421> i have faceauthentication plugin but idk if its in the right directory.. i want it to launch with KDM.. what do i have to do.. do i edit my KDM file in etc/kde4/kdm ? do i make a new file kdm-faceauthenticate?? im confused whatii should do to use this plugin
[04:42] <picard1421> i have a .so file for the plugin its kgree_faceauthentication.so
[05:43] <cjae> anyone here running kde4.5 without problems?
[05:52] <marez> hace
[05:53] <marez> hace un mes q instale ubuntu desde entonces me e olvidado de windows
[05:53] <marez> jajaj
[05:54] <marez> nunca habia usado un irc
[05:54] <picard1421> umm ok..
[05:54] <picard1421> so like i got this plugin to work for a while then it just stopped working
[05:55] <picard1421> what happens when it does nwork.. kde goes right to CLI..
[05:55] <picard1421> if it works it loges into KDED  all from KDM
[06:06] <cjae_> kde 4.5 rc2 work?
[06:09] <jepong> will kubuntu releace KDE 4.5 RC3 on lucid?
[06:09] <maco> i think we're missing rc3 and going straing to 4.5 final
[06:09] <maco> but itll be in the ppa
[06:10] <jepong> maco, thanks.
[07:03] <cjae> cant read nicks (close to time) with quaseel
[07:03] <cjae> quassel
[07:03] <cjae> and cant see where to change text color
[07:04] <oem> hallo morgen
[07:05] <oem> spricht jemand deutsch
[07:07] <oem> hello
[07:09] <oem> hello rafael
[07:12] <oem> nimand hier zum catten
[07:17] <oem> hallo sheytan
[07:17] <sheytan> oem hey
[07:17] <oem> hey
[07:17] <oem> you englisch
[07:18] <oem> deutsch
[07:20] <oem> wer spricht deutsch meldet euch bitte
[07:21] <oem> italienisch
[07:22] <oem> hallo Quto Lumo
[07:24] <oem> morgen alexluya
[07:29] <oem> hallo malin
[08:12] <euphorial> hola mi kubuntu amigooooooos.
[08:13] <euphorial> I would like to say kubuntu is the only damn thing that allowed me to fix my sound card. You never appreciate that sound card until you go 5 days without music.. ;X
[08:54] <h4x07> sup yall
[09:52] <cjae> I have a m4785td-v evo asus board, it has a dvi out and hdmi out, using kde 4.4 on a buntu system will it be possible to use the hdmi as tv out to my plasma?
[10:01] <devilchaos> hi im trying to use an ftp client between my 2 servers first attemp was with filezilla does anyone have experience with this program or suggest a better one i can use as id like not to do it through the command line if i dont have to?
[10:28] <simulacrum> Dolphin, Konqeueror ?
[10:43] <camille> yé
[11:16] <Lekensteyn> Hello
[11:27] <visvanath_> Hi, I am an absolute beginner of the kubuntu-desktop installed from ubuntu10.04 .. Hw do i change wallpaper -- what is plasma addon installer ?
[11:29] <Lekensteyn> Rightclick on your desktop
[11:29] <Lekensteyn> and choose the last option
[11:29] <Lekensteyn> from there, you can customize the wallpaper
[12:52] <abhijit> hello
[12:53] <abhijit> unable to able 3d windows flipping.
[12:53] <abhijit> help
[13:48] <abhijit> help please
[13:48] <abhijit> http://is.gd/dULw3
[13:49] <abhijit> pgadmin3 and codelite nor running
[13:49] <abhijit> not*
[15:39] <muppetone> anyone running kde 4.5
[15:43] <sombir> antone there to help on ubuntu 10.04 ??
[15:43] <sombir> **anyone
[15:43] <omkar> hey guys can anyone please help to configure the apache2 so that it enables me to run my perl form
[15:48] <James147> muppetone: I am running kde 4.5...
[15:48] <muppetone> how is it?
[15:48] <muppetone> is there more improvement over 4.4
[15:49] <James147> muppetone: I fine it more stable then 4.4 was... There are allot of small improvements that I think make it much nicer overall
[15:50] <muppetone> ok, i am going to install
[15:50] <James147> muppetone: alhough, I have been running it so long I cant really reamember that 4.4 was like :D
[16:15] <picard1421> im having a problem with pam and KDM?
[16:15] <picard1421> can anyone help?
[16:17] <rork> that depends on what's actually your problem
[16:18] <picard1421> ok here is my KDM file
[16:19] <picard1421> its located here /etc/pam.d/kdm
[16:19] <picard1421> her is the pastebin
[16:19] <picard1421> http://pastebin.com/NW0nHvSz
[16:19] <picard1421> the problem is if i dont "edit" that file when im logged in it wont boot. Literally... if i edit the file erase "enableX" and then type again enableX
[16:19] <picard1421> save it and restart the computer it works fine....
[16:20] <picard1421> but if i dont erase something and resave when it boots X crashes and goes to CLI?
[16:20] <picard1421> its by far one of hte strangest problems i have ever had on linux
[16:36] <picard1421> ahh kanyone know how i can install plugins
[16:36] <picard1421> ???
[16:36] <picard1421> to KDM?? i cant find a guide or wiki?
[17:10] <euphorial> I have a Logitech Quickcam Pro 9000. So far I have only discovered "Cheese", which in itself is quite cheesy. It has a capture rate of what *seems* to be 5 frames per second (shitty). I've looked around on Google and can't find a real solution. Does anyone have time and the know-how to help me with resources for this problem, please?
[17:16] <James147> euphorial: kdenlive (a video editor) can do that... although I havent tryed it yet
[17:17] <euphorial> James147, let me look into that. One moment, and thanks.
[17:18] <picard1421> ok..
[17:18] <picard1421> so canyone help with my problem
[17:18] <euphorial> What do you mean by install "plugins"?
[17:19] <picard1421> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhReQgyprLg
[17:19] <picard1421> ok see at the bottom of the screen he had an option for authentication methods
[17:19] <picard1421> im following this to the bone
[17:19] <picard1421> http://lifeasiknow-it.blogspot.com/2009/08/pam-face-authentication-musings-how-to.html
[17:19] <picard1421> (kdm plugin part)
[17:20] <picard1421> obviously the config file has to have the @ before the include's
[17:20] <picard1421> besdies that its the same..
[17:20] <picard1421> and like i said i dont have that option for that "authentication" plugin"
[17:20] <picard1421> my plugin is not located in /usr/.... its located in /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc instead of that usr/kde/kdmrc or w.e. they have.. still its the same line in the kdmrc... i just dont know why that option is NOT poping up lol
[17:20] <picard1421>  *;
[17:27] <euphorial> OK, to be honest I have no idea, but perhaps I can help hit up Google.
[17:28] <euphorial> I will try to do it myself.
[17:28] <euphorial> One second.
[17:28] <euphorial> Or actually, a minute or two. I'll let you know either way.
[17:28] <picard1421> ok soudns good
[17:28] <picard1421> its not that hard to actually get
[17:29] <picard1421> euphorial: i get the first part working just fine.. with the trainer and whanot its the KDM plugin
[17:29] <picard1421> there is no "auth" optin in menu and sometimes X crashes randomly with that config file.. sometimes just fine..
[17:29] <James147> picard1421: did you create the file at /etc/pam.d/kde4-faceauthenticate ?
[17:31] <euphorial> Just so I know, are you running 10.04 lts?
[17:32] <picard1421> yes
[17:32] <picard1421> yes to both.. its kdm-faceauthenticate
[17:33] <picard1421> and then in that same folder..
[17:33] <picard1421> the kdm file (which tells the boot stuff)
[17:33] <picard1421> i did @include kdm-faceauthenticate
[17:34] <James147> picard1421: when you compilted it you followed the steps exatly?
[17:34] <picard1421> yes
[17:35] <picard1421> no errors
[17:35] <picard1421> liek i said the training thing works
[17:35] <picard1421> just fine
[17:35] <FloodBotK3> picard1421: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:35] <picard1421> only thing is that config.. for hte plugin is shaddy
[17:35] <James147> picard1421: try doing that again but instead of cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/kde/4  do  cmake -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
[17:35] <picard1421> look at second to last post
[17:35] <picard1421> https://code.google.com/p/pam-face-authentication/issues/detail?id=18
[17:35] <picard1421> James147: did that make a difference for you???
[17:36] <James147> picard1421: you can run sudo make uninstall to remove it from the other location
[17:36] <James147> picard1421: havent tryed it, but kubuntu puts all kde stuff directly in /usr   other kde programs I compile I place in /usr (rather then the default /usr/local )
[17:37] <picard1421> how would i uninstall that?
[17:37] <picard1421> just sudo make uninstall ? what
[17:37] <James147> picard1421: yeah, run that from the build directory
[17:38] <James147> picard1421: it will basically do the opposite ot sudo make install... and removed the installed files  (may as well no point in having 2 copies floating about
[17:38] <picard1421> ahh kk
[17:39] <picard1421> it says no rule to make target uninstall
[17:39] <picard1421> nm..
[17:39] <picard1421> got it
[17:40] <picard1421> ok ist uninstalled
[17:40] <picard1421> now i want to cmake again but do it to just the /usr directory?
[17:40] <James147> picard1421: yeah
[17:40] <picard1421> ok one sec .. retryin'
[17:41] <picard1421> ok its isntalled
[17:42] <picard1421> ok i have a funny thing.. it created a file in usr/lib/kde4/kgreet_faceauthenticate.so ... is that waht i want to put in my plugins? line? or keep the plugin like the guide that just says faceauthenticate
[17:43] <picard1421> i dont know if it created a pam_face_authentication.so  ... but i know it created a kgreet_authenticate.so ???
[17:43] <picard1421> is that waht i want to be linking too.. or could there be a pam_face_authenticate.so created elsewhere
[17:43] <James147> picard1421: not sure, you can jsut change it if one fails
[17:43] <picard1421> yeaayeaaa!!! it worked!
[17:43] <picard1421> wow
[17:44] <picard1421> James.. Thanks so MUchc!!!!
[17:44] <picard1421> ok but here is the part 2... how can i make it default to that authentication method (not password) option
[17:45] <James147> picard1421: not sure :)
[17:45] <picard1421> kk
[17:45] <picard1421> well u have been a MAJOR >> MAJOR HELP!
[17:45] <James147> picard1421: could look to see if anything has been added to system settings > advanced > login manager
[17:46] <picard1421> im going there now..
[17:46] <picard1421> nothing added );;
[17:47] <picard1421> ok well... i have a feeling that is not that hard to change lol
[17:49] <picard1421> hmm .. well its saying the theme is not valid??
[17:50] <Amol> !audio
[17:51] <euphorial> Man I wrestled with sound for fricken 5 days before I got it to work.
[17:51] <euphorial> I only found one page that helped me.
[17:51] <euphorial> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=161817
[17:52] <euphorial> Go down throughout the page and see if any of it helps you.
[18:00] <Amol> euphorial, I have been wrestling with the audio for over a month now., But in vain
[18:00] <euphorial> Amol, did you see the page I posted?
[18:00] <Amol> I did., I'm going thru it
[18:00] <euphorial> That page tells you what to do with numerous cards.
[18:00] <euphorial> kk
[18:01] <Amol> euphorial, give me sometime., let me see if it fixes the problem
[18:01] <Amol> euphorial, BRB
[18:01] <euphorial> Amol, k
[18:05] <Amol> euphorial, No luck :(
[18:06] <Amol> euphorial, It remains the same
[18:10] <euphorial> Amol, do you know what sound card/on-board sound chip you have?
[18:11] <Amol> euphorial, I'm a newbie., could you please tell me the command to find that out
[18:12] <abhijit> hello all
[18:12] <abhijit> I know no will alnswer. but still. let me try
[18:12] <abhijit> i want to know gnome-do alternate for kde
[18:12] <abhijit> thanks
[18:12] <James147> abhijit: krunner :)
[18:13]  * abhijit is living in dreams these days. because he only get reply in his dreams. :)
[18:13] <abhijit> bw, James147 thanks. I was about to ask you that prove that this is not in my dream. but its ok. i need to believe. :D
[18:13] <abhijit> btw*
[18:14] <James147> abhijit: you can also configure krunner to "Task orientared" which i think makes it behave more like gnome-do  (although I havent used gnome do :)  )
[18:15] <abhijit> James147, ok i wll try.
[18:16] <Amol> euphorial, card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC268 Analog [ALC268 Analog]
[18:16] <Amol>   Subdevices: 0/1
[18:16] <Amol>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[18:16] <Amol> this is what I use
[18:16] <FloodBotK3> Amol: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:16] <Amol> Sorry!
[18:17] <euphorial> Amol, type: modprobe snd-hda-intel
[18:17] <euphorial> tell me what happens.
[18:18] <Amol> euphorial, nothing happened., the cursor returned
[18:18] <James147> Amol: most commands do not output anything on success
[18:19] <euphorial> correct
[18:19] <Amol> James147, That's exactly what happened, So what does that mean?
[18:19] <euphorial> type alsamixer
[18:19] <euphorial> and press F5
[18:19] <Amol> euphorial, okay
[18:19] <euphorial> turn up *everything*
[18:19] <Amol> euphorial, everthing is turned on
[18:19] <euphorial> hmmm
[18:19] <euphorial> one sec
[18:20] <James147> Amol: if you type a command and it dosnt output anything, then it should have done exactly what it was ment to  :)
[18:20] <euphorial> Trying to do two things at once so gimme some time
[18:20] <euphorial> and James147  is right
[18:20] <James147> Amol: most commands can be forced to tell you stuff by adding the -v argument
[18:20] <euphorial> but then again, mine worked too, but still no sound. sooo, gimme a minute or two.
[18:20] <Amol> James147, Thanks! :)
[18:21] <Amol> euphorial, sure thing! Take your time :)
[18:23] <James147> Amol: also, if oyu want to know what a command does/how to use it using the argument --help  should tell you (most commands will give you more info if you type "man COMMAND" ie man modprobe  (press q to exit back to a prompt)  :)
[18:24] <Amol> James147, Will keep that in mind
[19:12] <Amol> euphorial, Hey!, you there?
[19:19] <Amol> euphorial, Help!
[20:46] <MIH1406> I have ATI 256
[20:47] <MIH1406> But in Desktop Effects
[20:47] <MIH1406> I see "Composition is not supported on your system"
[20:47] <MIH1406> I have enabled them in a previous installation
[20:47] <tumas> hello, is anybody here familiar with conky scripting?
[20:48] <MIH1406> But now it is not enabled
[20:51] <pvandewyngaerde> MIH1406: try jockey-kde
[21:03] <Government> hi all
[21:24] <neobuna> ciao!
[21:28] <PasNox> Hi
[21:28] <PasNox> kubuntu.org has changed.
[21:28] <PasNox> it seem rss feeds no longer works, and i did not found the new rss feed link on the new site
[21:28] <PasNox> any idea?
[21:29] <psychoholic_> I have a interal sd card reader that worked with suse but when i went to kubuntu it stoped this is common
[21:29] <psychoholic_> dmesg | tail says it see's it
[21:30] <psychoholic_> at least thats what i think this line is "sd 6:0:0:0: [sde] 1987584 512-byte logical blocks: (1.01 GB/970 MiB)
[21:30] <psychoholic_> "
[21:31] <rork_> PasNox: I've found it on the news page: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/rss-feed
[21:37] <PasNox> rork_: thank you
[21:38] <PasNox> rork_: i'm on the news page, and still does not see it, where is it located ?
[21:39] <rork_> PasNox: there doesn't seem to be a link on the page :/ however firefox shows the rss icon in the location bar when you're on the news page
[21:39] <PasNox> ah ok !
[21:39] <PasNox> chromium does not show that :(
[21:40] <PasNox> thanks ;)
[21:41] <slow-motion> hi
[21:41] <PasNox> quite stupid to have changed it and do not inform user ;)
[21:44] <rork_> I think there should at least be a link to it somewhere on the page :P
[21:50] <usuario> anarch
[22:45] <omar__> hello!
[22:51] <gazra> Anyone knows how to install windows 7 on a virtual box on Kubuntu?
[23:56] <LECO1000> All, I am on KDE 3.5x and I'm trying to deal with an annoying behavior:  If the mouse cursor is placed at the left edge of an active window and there is a wheel event, my active application changes (i.e it's like an alt-tab event).  I want to disable this, but for the life of me can't find a way to do so.  Does anyone haev any suggestions?
[23:59] <Bekachu> .
[23:59] <Bekachu> Hello?


[00:02] <hajour> hai chilicuil
[00:31] <fatharrahman> what is natty
[00:31] <UndiFineD> the development version of the next ubuntu
[00:32] <UndiFineD> s/version/name/
[00:34] <UndiFineD> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=narwhal+song&aq=1
[00:36] <fatharrahman> if I clicked the button check in Update Manager ok? and the updates appear to me but I click the button install and nothing come what that mean?
[00:38] <fatharrahman> natty seems  awesome
[00:40] <fatharrahman> narwals ????
[00:40] <aveilleux> fatharrahman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[00:41] <fatharrahman> I understood it I meant by??? that is it going be named narwhals I mean the 11.04
[00:42] <fatharrahman> cool
[00:43] <fatharrahman> if I clicked the button check in Update Manager ok? and the updates appear to me but I click the button install and nothing come what s that mean??
[00:48] <fatharrahman> ?
[00:53] <UndiFineD> well natty narhwhal is not ready for normal daily use yet
[00:54] <UndiFineD> people are testing it, but expect it to fail
[00:55] <UndiFineD> and those failures are good atm, it means we can find the faults
[00:55] <fatharrahman> will be ready by 11.04 ?
[00:55] <UndiFineD> yes, natty narhwal is 11.04
[00:56] <fatharrahman> are Maverick Meerkat reported bugs gonna be fixed in natty
[00:57] <fatharrahman> ?
[00:58] <UndiFineD> yes
[00:58] <UndiFineD> well people try at least
[01:41] <duanedesign> hajour: still around?
[01:41] <UndiFineD> yes
[01:42] <duanedesign> i see. I got punged earlier to help a user.
[01:42] <duanedesign> pinged*
[01:42] <hajour> yes  duanedesign
[01:42] <hajour> it is resolved already sorry
[01:42] <duanedesign> I lost my internet for the last couple hours...
[01:43] <duanedesign>   /o\ noooo!
[01:43] <duanedesign> i had to actually read a book :)
[01:44] <UndiFineD> duanedesign, I explained hajour that when a starnger walks in here with a question, we need to react fast, often they leave in a minute
[01:44] <UndiFineD> so often she asks me, but sometimes another
[01:44] <duanedesign> that great
[01:44] <duanedesign> you are right UndiFineD , they do tend to not wait around
[01:46] <UndiFineD> so often I get a vocal signal
[01:46] <UndiFineD> sometimes hajour calls in for help from another who is around
[01:48] <UndiFineD> that has gained us 2 new people yesterday
 and <rx007>
[01:49] <fatharrahman> yes
[01:50] <fatharrahman> who called?
[01:51] <UndiFineD> hehe fatharrahman I talked with duanedesign about responsive support
[01:51] <fatharrahman> any help for you UndiFineD? :)
[01:53] <fatharrahman> I'll be like you one day :) helping people :) maybe years on no matter how long
[01:53] <UndiFineD> no no, anything you learn you can pass allong
[01:54] <UndiFineD> and at some point you can even help people on subject you know nothing of
[01:56] <UndiFineD> hajour, is my gf and sometimes spots new people i did not see, so she gives me a signal
[01:56] <fatharrahman> thanx but i intend to learn basics and then pass a good content
[01:57] <duanedesign> hello fatharrahman
[01:59] <fatharrahman>  started reading books learning terminal and pyhon (hello duanedesign my teacher) and searching solutions for simple Qs  for newbies in ubuntuforums ;)
[02:02] <fatharrahman> sorry for interruption  of UndiFineD talk I dont mean that
[02:02] <UndiFineD> oh no interruption at all I knew you were on, so I kinda expected it :)
[02:06] <duanedesign> fatharrahman: that sounds great
[02:08] <fatharrahman> Thanx
[02:14] <fatharrahman> as a physician I am thinking of making a medical package in the future that could help doctors prepare for exams and be completely free in the future
[02:14] <UndiFineD> ehm.. let see where the online Oreilly books are
[02:15] <UndiFineD> http://doc.novsu.ac.ru/oreilly/
[02:16] <fatharrahman> how to download Oreilly books as pdf format ? or are they online only?
[02:18] <firewall_03> what up
[02:19] <UndiFineD> hey firewall_03
[02:19] <firewall_03> anything exciting going on in here?
[02:19] <UndiFineD> fatharrahman, sometimes Oreilly makes books available themselves as pdf
[02:28] <firewall_03> they been running ebook deal of the day lately, some pretty good titles for $15.99
[02:34] <fatharrahman> at launchpad I went to : participate>Bugs to report a bug but there is no button for that only search box ??
[02:35] <UndiFineD> time for bed.. 3.30 am
[02:36] <firewall_03> UndiFineD: gd night, I don't miss those days, but I did like getting off early
[02:36] <UndiFineD> I have to get up in 3 hours ;)
[02:36] <fatharrahman> 5:36 am here gd night UnuFineD
[02:38] <fatharrahman> gd night UndiFineD
[02:39] <fatharrahman> ?? site to report a bug not seen at my launchpad
[02:44] <fatharrahman> oh I found it
[02:45] <hajour> fatharrahman, UndiFineD  is going to sleep.and i go to.:)good night fatharrahman
[02:46] <fatharrahman> gd night hajour you were very kind to me yesterday thanx again
[02:47] <hajour> your welcome fatharrahman :)
[02:47] <hajour> bye :)
[02:49] <fatharrahman> bye :)
[02:59] <fatharrahman> duanedesign , firewall_03 , gd night
[03:00] <firewall_03> night
[04:24] <kara> hi, could somebody help me restore the default Ubuntu GDM?
[04:32] <Mohan_chml> kara, are you able to login?
[04:33] <kara> yes
[04:34] <kara> but each time i have to type in my username and password
[04:35] <kara> and the appearance configuration window pops up
[04:35] <Mohan_chml> hmmm!
[04:36] <Mohan_chml> kara, type sudo unlink /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop
[04:36] <Mohan_chml> in terminal
[04:36] <Mohan_chml> and you want Ubuntu to not to show you the login screen?
[04:36] <kara> okay, hold on please
[04:36] <Mohan_chml> sure
[04:36] <kara> okay
[04:37] <Mohan_chml> and you want Ubuntu to not to show you the login screen?
[04:37] <Mohan_chml> ?
[04:37] <Mohan_chml> I mean you want it to automatically login to your account too?
[04:37] <kara> I just want it go back to default
[04:38] <kara> do you want me to log out and then back in?
[04:38] <Mohan_chml> I think you changed the theme of the login screen and you need default right?
[04:39] <kara> exactly, also to get rid of the appearance window that shows up
[04:39] <Mohan_chml> now appearance window will not pop up
[04:39] <Mohan_chml> just log off and get back please
[04:39] <kara> sure :)
[04:39] <kara> brb
[04:39] <Mohan_chml> and if you are okay, then no worries. or else
[04:40] <Mohan_chml> you have to use the appearance congif manager to set to default
[04:41] <kara> hello again
[04:41] <kara> the popping window is gone :D
[04:41] <Mohan_chml> :)
[04:42] <kara> but I still hve to type in my username, password too :S
[04:42] <Mohan_chml> hmmm then you have to change the theme back i think
[04:42] <kara> and there is a white bar at the bottom
[04:42] <Mohan_chml> let me look for it
[04:44] <Mohan_chml> kara, sudo cp /usr/share/applications/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow
[04:45] <kara> okay, done
[04:45] <Mohan_chml> then log off and the appearance config will come. just choose other themes
[04:45] <Mohan_chml> come back and then do unlink command i said earlier ;)
[04:46] <kara> i will :)
[04:46] <Mohan_chml> (;
[04:48] <kara> could you please type that command again? :$
[04:48] <JoeMaverickSett> sudo unlink /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop
[04:49] <Mohan_chml> hey JoeMaverickSett. ty for saving me. i am eating by hand :D
[04:49] <kara> thanks Joe
[04:49] <JoeMaverickSett> no problem.
[04:49] <Mohan_chml> kara, open up terminal and press up arrow
[04:49] <Mohan_chml> it will show you the commands you typed earlier
[04:50] <kara> OH!
[04:50] <JoeMaverickSett> Mohan_chml: enjoy dude. :D
[04:50] <JoeMaverickSett> kara: never mind that it will come eventually. :)
[04:50] <Mohan_chml> kara, try getting CLI companion
[04:50] <kara> CLI?
[04:51] <Mohan_chml> JoeMaverickSett, give its link to him
[04:51] <JoeMaverickSett> okie.
[04:51] <JoeMaverickSett> Mohan_chml: .deb link?
[04:51] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[04:52] <Mohan_chml> yup
[04:52] <JoeMaverickSett> kara: download this program, it will help ya use the terminal http://launchpad.net/clicompanion/1.0/1.0rc2/+download/clicompanion_1.0-3.1_all.deb :)
[04:52]  * JoeMaverickSett is downloading it for himself. :D
[04:54] <kara> I will log out again to check if it worked out well ;)
[04:54] <Mohan_chml> it will work ;)
[04:56] <kara> Ahh! still the white bar
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> kara: here is the wiki link on how to use CLI Conpanion effectively. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/clicompanion :)
[04:57] <bodhizazen> kara, http://linuxcommand.org/
[04:57] <bodhizazen> =)
[04:57] <kara> thank you
[04:57] <bodhizazen> kara, learn to read the man pages
[04:58] <bodhizazen> They seem difficult at first, but if you can read and understand them ...
[04:58] <bodhizazen> In a terminal
[04:58] <bodhizazen> man grep
[04:58] <bodhizazen> info grep
[04:58]  * Mohan_chml runs away, as the BOSS is here :D
[04:58] <bodhizazen> And if you install most, you can have your man pages in color
[04:59] <bodhizazen> in .bashrc add a line :
[04:59] <bodhizazen> pager='most'
[04:59]  * JoeMaverickSett runs for his life! :P
[05:03]  * kara thinks that CLI Companion is really useful
[05:03] <JoeMaverickSett> kara: it is. :D
[05:06] <kara> the login page's still not fixed, is there a way to bypass it?
[05:06] <Mohan_chml> you mean making it to not to ask user name and password>'
[05:06] <kara> yep
[05:08] <JoeMaverickSett> System > Administration > Login Screen > Tick "Log in as <username>" ?
[05:08] <JoeMaverickSett> Mohan_chml: ^ might that work?
[05:08] <kara> I tried that but it didn't work
[05:08] <JoeMaverickSett> :O
[05:09] <Mohan_chml> that should work
[05:14] <bodhizazen> kara, do you have an encrypted home directory ?
[05:15] <kara> honestly I don't know
[05:16] <bodhizazen> LOL
[05:16] <bodhizazen> When you installed Ubuntu, do you recall if you opted to encrypt home ?
[05:16] <bodhizazen> If so, I do not think you can automatically log in
[05:17] <kara> no I didn't, installing process went so smooth
[05:17] <kara> not to mention that I used to log in automatically
[05:19] <kara> it all happened when I installed/uninstalled macbuntu I guess
[08:26] <kara> hi, could somebody please help me mount my FAT32 drives?
[08:31] <Mohan_chml> kara, is it not mounting when you hit the partition?
[08:31] <kara> it used to, but not anymore
[08:32] <kara> now I get this message >>
[08:32] <kara> Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:
[08:32] <kara> mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/DRV1_VOL1
[08:34] <geirha> kara: Does it have an entry in /etc/fstab?
[08:34] <Mohan_chml> geirha, any partition table issues?
[08:34] <kara> /dev/sda1                                  /media/DRV1_VOL1  vfat  noauto                                                                        0  0
[08:35] <geirha> kara: Change noauto to noauto,users
[08:36] <geirha> That should allow other users than root to mount it
[08:36] <kara> okay, hang on please
[08:38] <kara> cool! it works :D
[08:38] <geirha> :)
[08:38] <kara> thank you geirha
[08:38] <kara> and thanks to you Mohan_chml, I owe you that ;)
[08:38] <geirha> np :)
[08:43] <kara> one more question if you don't mind
[08:43] <kara> in <Users Settings> the default account type should be set to "Administrator"?
[08:43] <Mohan_chml> kara, shoot
[08:44] <kara> there is only one user.. me
[08:44] <Mohan_chml> one account should be an admin. It maybe the one you creeated while installing or you can create a new one and can remove the old. it is to make you have admin powers
[08:45] <kara> okay, I'm asking because it was set to custom but I changed it when I was trying to mount the drives
 thanks again, you've been a great help
[08:48] <Mohan_chml> its geirha and not me ;)
[08:49] <kara> yeah and it was you earlier ;)
[08:49] <kara> Joe too
[08:49] <kara> it's been nice talking to you guys
[08:49] <Mohan_chml> (:
[08:50] <kara> and that CLI thing is sort of amazing, it helped me understand a few commands in no time
[08:51] <kara> bbl
[08:51] <Mohan_chml> kara, want to speak with its developer?
[08:51] <Mohan_chml> k
[08:51] <kara> haha, I won't dream of it
[08:51] <kara> later
[08:52] <Mohan_chml> :)
[13:36] <kosaidpo> hello
[13:36] <kosaidpo>  in my hosts file i have this vhost site and  every boot the file re-generated  and i have to re-add the site ,how can i avoid this
[13:36] <kosaidpo> thANSK
[13:53] <UndiFineD> kosaidpo, you probably have dns-masq installed, which may overwrite it (/etc/hosts)
[13:54] <kosaidpo> UndiFineD: well last nihgt some guys told me thats caused by my ntweork manaeger cusi use 3G modem to get on net
[13:54] <kosaidpo> and idk how ican use terminal to use the modem
[13:55] <UndiFineD> yep that is possible too
[13:55] <UndiFineD> I am looking in /etc for a file that generates /etc/hosts
[13:56] <kosaidpo> UndiFineD: okies thanks for your help
[14:03] <kosaidpo> UndiFineD: can you please juste tell me how ican use my modem via terminal so ican get ride of  NM
[14:04] <UndiFineD> I do not use a modem, but I believe it uses wvdial ...
[14:05] <UndiFineD> ifconfig ppp0 up
[14:05] <UndiFineD> dhclient ppp0
[14:06] <kosaidpo> thats all ??
[14:06] <kosaidpo> those cmmd i have to type in
[14:06] <kosaidpo> UndiFineD: is there a cmmd that will launch this cmmd if i put em in file jst when i plug my modem ??
[14:07] <UndiFineD> I am not sure if my commands are complete, often wvdial is used
[14:10] <yofel_> with wvdial you'll edit /etc/wvdial.conf and it'll do the connecting, but it's been a while since I used it
[14:11] <kosaidpo> UndiFineD: sorry kicked out
[14:12] <yofel> kosaidpo: with wvdial you'll edit /etc/wvdial.conf and it'll do the connecting, but it's been a while since I used it
[14:12] <kosaidpo> yofel: it ll get connected auto when i plug the modme ?
[14:13] <yofel> I don't think so, you'll have to run wvdial (I just used 'sudo wvdial' in a terminal) auto-connecting is more NM stuff
[14:14] <kosaidpo> yofel: well i rembe tried using it first time hwnei get my modem
[14:15] <kosaidpo> yofel: with no success my modem require no psw  n stuff but idk wht ican type in the file
[14:15] <kosaidpo> tho
[14:15] <yofel> the Modem line is what your interface is called, maybe check the 'dmesg' output after connecting your modem, that might tell you
[14:16] <yofel> other than that it's the connection information, can't help you there
[14:16] <kosaidpo> see this http://pastebin.com/vs8pQDqy when i type wvdial
[14:19] <yofel> yes, your modem interface isn't /dev/modem (it was /dev/rfcomm0 when I last used it IIRC here), plug your modem in, run 'dmesg' and check if that tells you the proper name
[14:19] <yofel> if not, then I don't know how to get it
[14:21] <kosaidpo> yofel: yeh theres but idk whic one i shud pick
[14:22] <kosaidpo> can i pastbin it to you so you can help me
[14:22] <yofel> sure
[14:22] <kosaidpo> tanchofak fi ubuntu-ma yak wakila ?? : )
[14:23] <kosaidpo> yofel: http://pastebin.com/s2a6udxy
[14:25] <yofel> nothing usable there :S
[14:25] <yofel> first one is an external hdd(?), second dunno, third a chromium crash, and last an apparmor message
[14:26] <kosaidpo> yofel: the part dhclient
[14:26] <kosaidpo> and the sdb1 its its card reader iguess
[14:26] <kosaidpo> cus it has this feature
[14:27] <yofel> yeah, but dhclient has nothing to do with the modem interface
[14:27] <kosaidpo> uhmm ive been told to use it as cmmd
[14:27] <UndiFineD> no I said I was not sure :)
[14:27] <UndiFineD> I do not use a modem
[14:28] <UndiFineD> I cannot find how to keep the hosts file
[14:28] <UndiFineD> only solution i can think of is making it read-onnly
[14:29] <yofel> dhclient comes in when you have a connection and whant an IP and DNS with DHCP
[14:29] <yofel> *want
[14:30] <yofel> and the hosts file isn't edited here, not sure why it would be :/
[16:39] <trhisdone1> hello
[16:58] <nlsthzn> hi
[17:00] <Mohan_chml> o/
[17:03] <nlsthzn> sup?
[17:04] <Mohan_chml> nothing much. its 10:30 =]
[17:14] <iTV> hope i am on right place now...
[17:14] <iTV> need help to configure the 4x desktop to have different wall paper,,,your help please...
[17:27] <aveilleux> iTV: It's an idea in progress, but n---
[17:27]  * aveilleux rages!
[17:29] <aveilleux> For posterity: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8980705&postcount=2
[18:33] <Mjiig> hello everyone, i wanted to ask if it was possible to make ubuntu boot in a similar way to puppy, showing the boot steps and progress while it goes, rather than just a ubuntu logo until the system is ready. np if it's not, i'm just interested
[18:33] <thewrath> hey all
[18:34] <thewrath> Mjiig, google disable quiet boot
[18:39] <Mjiig> thewrath: so just remove "quiet splash" from the boot line? thanks, i had tried something like that before but only removed quiet
[18:42] <thewrath> have not done it in a while
[18:42] <thewrath> if you give me the file to look i can look at my ubuntu quick
[18:44] <Mjiig> the file to change the setting in? /etc/default/grub
[18:46] <Mjiig> sorry thanks for the help just realized i really have to go
[19:18] <aveilleux> What do you guys think about OpenDNS?
[19:19]  * nlsthzn has heard about it...
[19:21] <yofel> wasn't that the service that does some auto-dns filtering? I don't trust them much
[19:22] <aveilleux> I'm looking into OpenDNS and Norton DNS
[19:22] <aveilleux> Apparently they filter blacklisted malicious sites
[19:24] <UndiFineD> OpenDNS concept is nice, but they are too slow compared to our own dns-masq
[19:29] <BGL-[c]> norton dns hmm never heard of that
[19:30] <BGL-[c]> hmm so you can just put in the dns settings
[19:30] <aveilleux> Aaaaand they don't filter *.on.nimp.org sites
[19:30] <aveilleux> (Shock sites, don't go there)
[19:38] <BGL-[c]> maybe it'd be good for a couple employee machines
[20:41] <fatharrahman> hello every one how is it going with development ?
[20:45] <bioterror> well, we are not exactly developers
[21:06] <fatharrahman> am now online through a usb mDSL ok?
[21:07] <fatharrahman> this usb mDSL contain a micro memory of 2 GiB
[21:08] <fatharrahman> I want to make this usb bootable without erase the informations is this possible??
[21:10] <nit-wit> fatharrahman, whats on it now
[21:11] <fatharrahman> some pics and maybe mDSL softwares
[21:17] <nit-wit> fatharrahman, so what are you tryining to boot then just the access to the media
[21:18] <fatharrahman> ?
[21:18] <fatharrahman> pardon
[21:21] <nit-wit> fatharrahman, you description lacks clarity if your trying to boot the usb
[21:24] <fatharrahman> no only to make it bootable in order to install Ubuntu from it if needed to friends
[21:28] <nit-wit> fatharrahman, you load the ISO which will boot in about a 800Mib partition leaving the other stuff in place, you will just have to resize that partition containing stuff use gparted
[21:28] <nit-wit> fatharrahman, use unetbootin it installs a boot loader
[21:29] <fatharrahman> I have only start up disk creator
[21:30] <fatharrahman> the default nit-win
[21:30] <fatharrahman> nit-wit sorry for misspell
[21:38] <fatharrahman> now let me ask for a tough help
[21:41] <fatharrahman> I am installing ubuntu for my sister in her toshiba NB 100  inside Windows 7 by  wubi it started fully rebooted and now after I heard the music of start up there is a black screen only ,,, on ctrl + alt + f2 >>ubuntu@ubuntu: unable to read data cache entry
[21:41] <fatharrahman> help
[22:04] <thewrath> aveihey all
[22:04] <thewrath> how can i tell if a variable is blank or not
[22:04] <thewrath> ?
[22:05] <thewrath> i guess that would be has a value would i use [if -z $variableName]?
[22:14] <pedro3005> thewrath, what language is that?
[22:14] <thewrath> i am doing it in bash
[22:15] <pedro3005> oh, i don't know then :x
[23:34] <yofel> thewrath: in bash it would be: if [ -z "$var" ]; then ...; fi
[23:39] <thewrath> yofel, thanks
[23:39] <thewrath> what if i want to get a 1 or 0 back
[23:40] <yofel> 'test' (and equally the [ ]) returns 0 or 1
[23:53] <hakimsheriff> what is the best way to deacrease a windows partrition and increase the ubuntu partrition?
[23:57] <yofel> hakimsheriff: I have never done that, but from what I know gparted should be able to do that


[11:15] <gnomefreak> yes im trying to go for one. if they arnt all new than rm all of them and try to crash it again see what logs you get.
[11:15] <rathel> gnomefreak, No, a day old.
[11:25] <darrend> anyone know how to stop gnome-screensaver interfering with games being played fullscreen? (ie it keeps trying to blank the screen and lock it during play)
[11:25] <jrbl> Turn it off?
[11:25] <pkern> Could someone please point me to -dbgsym for gutsy? (No browser here, console only.)
[11:29] <pkern> PriceChild: Could you please do me a favour and lookup the apt source for -dbgsym/gutsy for me?
[11:30] <PriceChild> lookup the apt source?
[11:30] <pkern> *cough*
[11:31] <asabil> hi all
[11:31] <asabil> did anyone take a look at bug 102818 ?
[11:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102818 in ubuntu "macbook volume control doesn't work" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/102818
[11:31] <PriceChild> pkern, what do you mean?
[11:32] <pkern> Got it. Bah.
[11:32] <pkern> Whyever the w3m on Ubuntu did not like the Wiki, the server did.
[11:35] <geser> pkern: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs gutsy main universe
[11:35] <pkern> geser: Thanks.
[11:36] <PriceChild> Right so you wanted the repository holding the gutsy -dbgsym packages...
[11:40] <rohan> if i nominate a bug for gutsy, does it mean someone needs to approve it first ?
[11:40] <rohan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/109882/
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109882 in fedora "Headphone automute not working" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[11:41] <strabes> how do I tell what upgrades do?
[11:41] <rohan> i don't know the issue is strange because it's already been fixed upstream but not in gutsy yet .. !!
[11:41] <strabes> like i'd like to know what the new fglrx released today does
[11:41] <rohan> strabes: reading the changelog for that package ?
[11:41] <strabes> rohan: how do i do taht?
[11:41] <strabes> i mean, how do I access it
[11:41] <chrissturm> hey guys, where can i see what hotkeys compiz has defined?
[11:42] <Blackgoth> in the manpage?
[11:42] <rohan> strabes: simple way i know is packages.ubuntu.com/packagename and download the changelog from there, at the bottom
[11:43] <rohan> crimsun: are you around ?
[11:44] <Vegar> is pidgin supposed to crash a lot?
[11:44] <rohan> no
[11:45] <tarheelcoxn> anybody with a thinkpad around?
[11:45] <tarheelcoxn> would need to be one with a radeon 7500 graphics card
[11:45] <tarheelcoxn> need somebody to help me confirm bug 141609
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141609 in xorg "startx fails with vesa, ati on T41 with Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] " [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141609
[11:48] <Vegar> tarheelcoxn: I have one
[11:48] <Vegar> oh
[11:48] <Vegar> nvidia graphics
[11:49] <tarheelcoxn> Vegar: thanks anyway
[12:05] <HyperCity> i'm tryng to compile a plugin for gimp 2.3 but i get this Package gimp-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. what is the sintax for the makefile?
[12:17] <maria> anyone feel like helping me turn on desktop effects
[12:18] <maria> when i click on enable it says cannot, but im pretty sure 3d acceleration is working since t he restricted nvidia driver automatically installed
[12:19] <xero9364> 42.
[12:21] <bjwebb> hi
[12:23] <bjwebb> how do i update from tribe 5 to latest build?
[12:23] <maria> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[12:23] <bjwebb> maria: proably, but its not doing anything :S
[12:23] <Vegar> dist-upgrade is just like a normal upgrade with special conflicts solving
[12:24] <bjwebb> Vegar: ahh, so do i need some flags?
[12:24] <maria> bjwebb : stupid question but did you update first
[12:24] <maria> ?
[12:24] <theCore> does anyone else has remarked that PNG icons in Gutsy look blurry?
[12:24] <Vegar> bjwebb: no
[12:24] <bjwebb> maria: no
[12:24] <bjwebb> and i know about update command
[12:24] <Vegar> bjwebb: AFAIK, the software updater should keep you up to date
[12:24] <bjwebb> no wonder i couldn't find ff
[12:24] <maria> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:25] <bjwebb> maria: i know :S
[12:25] <maria> oh
[12:25] <maria> im new to this so i have no idea
[12:25] <maria> i;ve only had ubuntu a couple of months
[12:25] <bjwebb> what were you using before?
[12:26] <maria> windows
[12:26] <bjwebb> :O
[12:26] <maria> but i really want mythtv for my living room so im trying to learn slowly
[12:26] <bjwebb> ive only been using *buntu for a few months too actually
[12:27] <maria> now im trying to get desktop effects enabled
[12:27] <maria> but im using an old pc
[12:27] <bjwebb> oh
[12:27] <maria> p4 1.6 with a old legacy nvidia card
[12:27] <maria> im not quite sure if itll even handle it
[12:28] <maria> i think its a riva tnt2
[12:28] <maria> its agp at least
[12:44] <bjwebb> whatll happen if i end a dist upgrade?
[12:47] <databuddy> i'm happy to report successful upgrade from feisty 32bit x86 to same gutsy via changing sources went really smooth!
[12:47] <databuddy> and very nonstandard install too :>
[12:49] <Xero> databuddy, congrats,
[12:49] <databuddy> ^_^ ty!!
[12:49] <bjwebb> will it confuse it completely if i end an upgrade part way through?
[12:50] <bjwebb> its gutsy tibe 5 to latest gutsy packages rather than feisty to gutsy
[12:54] <Pici> bjwebb: Its not a good idea to stop any package installation in the middle
[12:55] <VousDeux> In Ubuntu, how can I change the default repeat rate for keyboard. I changed it on the System menu, but that only seems to apply after I logon.
[12:56] <Balaams_Miracle> Paron my ignorance, but how come NetworkManager adds new HAL devices on my system?
[12:56] <tekhawk> status on nvidia kernal mod?
[12:57] <Balaams_Miracle> The HAL devices in question are USB devices, CD/DVD stations, etc...
[12:58] <Vorbote> Balaams_Miracle: you are making the wrong connection. Those devices are added by udev+dbus
[12:59] <Balaams_Miracle> Vorbote: How else should i read the following line from my syslog?: Sep 23 00:52:46 balaam-desktop NetworkManager: <debug> [1190501566.576734]  nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_empty_cd_rw').
[12:59] <Vorbote> That's because Network Manager is listening to the dbus port and logging more than pertains to itself.
[12:59] <Vorbote> A bug, obviously.
[01:00] <Balaams_Miracle> Vorbote: Ah, that explains a lot then
[01:00] <Vorbote> Those events are sent by hal through dbus and caught by client apps, like gnomevfs for example.
[01:01] <Balaams_Miracle> I was just about to ask if uninstalling NM would cripple HAL, but you've already answered that question :-)
[01:01] <Vorbote> and from there to gnome-mount if it is a removable device you have in automount mode.
[01:02] <Vorbote> Yup, the other way around would be baaad thogh.
[01:02] <Vorbote> though
[01:02] <Balaams_Miracle> Man, there is so much still to learn for me :-)
[01:03] <Vorbote> :-P
[01:03] <Vorbote> But, yes, today we are married to udev+hal+dbus till deatch do up part. That's what allows the desktop environments (GNOME, KDE, XFCE) to do magic with hardware.
[01:05] <Balaams_Miracle> Gotta say that i love hal+udev+dbus (HUD?). Years ago, i tried my hands on RedHat 6, but back then, Linux wasn't very friendly towards those that were used to the ease of use of Windows.
[01:08] <Balaams_Miracle> I've made the switch this last december and although i've sort of got my bearings, i am now trying to understand Linux. Like what makes Linux do what.
[01:08] <Balaams_Miracle> Every day is an adventure :-)
[01:11] <Vorbote> Definitely. I myself I'm having fun implementing SELinux in Debian (it can be done in Ubuntu too, but with AppArmor, I want to compare both).
[01:12] <javabugz> has anyone been able to get mplayer to work with dvd menu?
[01:12] <javabugz> seems that dvdnav:// does not work