[06:09] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:09] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[06:09]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[06:13] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you
[06:13] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[06:24] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for breakfast
[06:24] <Maaz> Wheatbix today Kilos, and if you are still hungry maybe bacon and eggs.
[07:14]  * nlsthz-nwork waves
[07:39] <superfly> môre oom Kilos
[07:40] <superfly> en nlsthz-nwork
[07:56] <nlsthz-nwork> superfly: g'day mate
[08:40] <Squirm> morning
[08:41] <Squirm> how's natty treating everybody?
[08:42] <superfly> well
[08:43] <superfly> KDE 4.6 is awesome
[08:47] <mazal> Morning everyone
[08:51] <nlsthzn-work> superfly: Got to agree.... it is super slick
[08:51]  * nlsthzn-work waves @ mazal
[08:51] <mazal> I did a Kubutnu build last night. Must say it is really beautiful
[08:51] <Squirm> I'm more of a gnome fan
[08:51] <Squirm> but it doesnt look like gde anymore
[08:53] <mazal> anybody else use ps3 media server ?
[08:53] <mazal> Mine refuses to work on 11.04
[08:53]  * acherv said hi @all
[08:53] <mazal> Hi acherv
[08:53] <acherv> mazal: what's up?
[08:54] <mazal> Bit tired & wired but I be good thanx :)
[08:55] <acherv> mazal: I would like to know the news about the natty party in pretoria
[08:55] <mazal> I don't know much , incoming mail broken so haven't received much on the mailing lists for a while
[10:18] <Kilos> hi all. LTS is for 5 years hey?
[10:18] <Kilos> hope i got it right
[10:20] <mazal> Yep , think you are right
[10:24] <mazal> 3 years on LTS Desktop
[10:24] <mazal> 5 Years on LTS server
[10:25] <Kilos> ah. ty
[10:25] <mazal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[10:25] <Kilos> Maaz, give the man a cuppa
[10:25] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[10:28] <Kilos> aw i didnt read properly on lists again. apologies
[10:57]  * Kilos wonders who is that domdonner on the lists. every time he opens his mouth, he puts his foot in it
[10:57] <Kilos> hehe
[11:03] <mazal> We have any handbrake users here ? I'm struggling with a setting
[11:07]  * nlsthzn-work used handbrake many moons ago... so doubt he will be of use...
[11:07] <tumbleweed> mazal: it would help if you just asked your question
[11:20] <mazal> I convert to mp4 (for PS3 streaming) I created my own settings set. Now after re-install I put back all my settings , put it on mp4 , but the filename refuses to take .mp4. Keeps going to m4v
[11:21] <mazal> Previously it took .mp4
[11:37] <Kilos> mazal, there is a #handbrake channel
[11:38] <Kilos> maybe they not as busy
[11:38] <Kilos> 50 peeps there
[11:39] <Kilos> you know how to get there hey?
[11:39] <mazal> Thanx Kilos , yep I know , will check it out thanx
[11:39] <Kilos> yw
[11:59] <nuvolari> *o/
[11:59] <nuvolari> lo oom Kilos
[11:59] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  gaain dit goed
[11:59] <Kilos> gaan ook
[12:00] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom
[12:00] <nuvolari> het gister getrek
[12:00] <nuvolari> was amper dood
[12:01] <Kilos> eish
[12:01] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: where too?
[12:01] <Kilos> wat het gebeur
[12:01] <tumbleweed> mazal: mp4 and m4v are the same file format, just different extensions
[12:01] <tumbleweed> mazal: you can rename the one to the other
[12:02] <tumbleweed> (incidentally, they are also the same format of .mov, well, a subset of .mov)
[12:02] <mazal> I tried , but it automatically puts in the m4v
[12:02] <tumbleweed> mazal: no I mean you can rename it after its encoded
[12:02] <mazal> kewl
[12:02] <tumbleweed> also the name really shouldn't matter
[12:02] <mazal> I wonder if the PS3 wil play it as m4v though
[12:02] <tumbleweed> it's the same thing
[12:03] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: about 600m from where I used to stay :P
[12:03] <mazal> First have to get ps3 media server working as well. another thing not working in 11.04
[12:03] <Kilos> so nuvolari why you nearly died?
[12:04] <nuvolari> Kilos: dis baie werk oom! lol
[12:04] <Kilos> o lol;
[12:04] <mazal> ek hoor net die woord trek dan wil ek weghol LOL
[12:04] <nuvolari> definitief
[12:04] <nlsthzn-work> nuvolari: lol, I hope it was a step up then :)
[12:05] <Kilos> wag tot jy n vier slaap kamer huis met 30 jaar se gereedskap moet skyf
[12:05] <nuvolari> nlsthzn-work: definitely
[12:05] <mazal> Amazing the amount of rubish one can accumulate
[12:05] <nlsthzn-work> :)
[12:05] <Kilos> good. hopefully no more all night parties
[12:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, ek kan dit glo... 'n mens sal seker huil ook van al die memories
[12:06] <Kilos> eish. ons het gesukkel. 3 trips met n 5 ton trock
[12:06] <Kilos> baie bly dis verby
[12:06] <mazal> Eina !!!
[12:15] <Kilos> mazal,  did you win with renaming the .mp4's
[12:16] <Kilos> those #handbrake peeps dont seem to be very helpful hey?
[12:16] <mazal> Nope , nobody in #handbrake answering. Will follow tumbleweed's advice
[12:16] <Kilos> luckily there is #ubuntu-za
[12:17] <Kilos> tumbles been spot on every time i needed help
[12:17] <mazal> Will have to look into Mediatomb first though. Need to get the streaming working first
[12:17] <Kilos> also remember when you need help try explain your problem as thoroughly as possible
[12:18] <Kilos> i have noticed just asking for help upsets most geeks
[12:18] <Kilos> hehe
[12:18]  * Kilos ducks
[12:19] <mazal> I tend to fist check if someone is around before typing the whole story hehehehe
[12:19] <Kilos> no , better to say what help you need
[12:20] <Kilos> otherwise everyone just lurks
[13:49] <nuvolari> bleh. hanging curtains is almost just as much work as moving
[13:53] <nlsthzn-work> lol
[14:38] <acherv> .
[14:39] <nlsthzn-work> ..
[14:39]  * acherv find someone who use ubuntu in pretoria
[14:42] <superfly> acherv: are you on the mailing list?
[14:42] <superfly> acherv: have you looked at the site?
[14:42] <acherv> ya
[14:47] <mazal> Why acherv ? You need cd ?
[14:48] <acherv> mazal: i would like to assist Natty release in pretoria and i have to some problem
[14:49] <mazal> have to some problem ?
[14:51] <acherv> ya
[14:51] <acherv> with my graphic card
[15:43] <nlsthzn-work> bai
[17:11] <inetpro> good evening
[17:19] <mazal> Lo inetpro
[17:22] <Kilos> lo inetpro howzit
[17:24] <superfly> .
[17:25] <Kilos> you been very quiet here lately hey?
[17:25] <superfly> me or him?
[17:26] <inetpro> Kilos: I guess I've been afk way to much
[17:26] <mazal> Truecrypt also not working on 11.04. Gives the error "device-mapper: remove ioctl failed: Device or resource busy. Command failed" Any ideas ?
[17:26] <Kilos> lol him
[17:26] <Kilos> you always here
[17:26] <Kilos> even when you erent
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz, define afk
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: AFK   [MUD] Abbrev. for ?Away From Keyboard?. Used to notify others that you will be momentarily unavailable online. eg. ? Often MUDs will have a command to politely inform others of your absence when they try to talk with you. The term is not restricted to MUDs, however, and has become common in many chat situations, from IRC to Unix talk. , AFK Away from
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz,  ty
[17:27] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[17:27] <superfly> Kilos: true :-)
[17:28]  * inetpro lol
[17:28] <Kilos> hmmm afk supposed to be used to notify peeps you gonna be away for a while, not you were
[17:29] <Kilos> ma define MUDS
[17:29] <Kilos> grrr
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz, define MUDs
[17:29] <Maaz> Kilos: I don't know about MUDs. Maybe you meant Mus, Mud, Duds, Suds, mods, Muss, mus, mud, musd, duds, suds, muss, mds, mtds or mmds?
[17:30] <Kilos> Maaz, define MUD
[17:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Mud \Mud\ (m[u^]d), n.  Earth and water mixed so as to be soft and adhesive. [1913 Webster]  {Mud bass} (Zool.), a fresh-water fish ({Acantharchum pomotis} or {Acantharchus pomotis}) of the Eastern United States. It produces a deep grunting note.  {Mud bath}, an immersion of the body, or some part of it, in
[17:30] <Kilos> eish
[17:30]  * Kilos forgets MUDs
[17:31] <inetpro> Kilos: eish, sorry
[17:31] <Kilos> gp boet
[17:32] <Kilos> jou beurt is jou beurt
[17:32] <inetpro> Kilos: I will be back later... need to get ready for dinner
[17:32] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[17:32] <Kilos> ty
[19:04]  * nlsthzn waves
[19:09]  * Kilos waves back
[19:11] <nlsthzn> :)
[21:00] <inetpro> .
[21:09] <Kilos> .
[21:09] <Kilos> ..
[21:09] <Kilos> whats that mean
[21:10] <Kilos>  .-- .... .- - ...   .-.-.-   -- . .- -.   .. -. . - .--. .-. ---
[21:12] <Kilos> hehe he members
[21:16] <Squirm> Maaz: morse .-- .... .- - ...   .-.-.-   -- . .- -.   .. -. . - .--. .-. ---
[21:16] <Maaz> Squirm: Decodes as WHATS  .  MEAN  INETPRO
[21:17] <inetpro> heh
[21:18] <inetpro> Kilos: . = E
[21:18] <Kilos> lol
[21:19] <inetpro> or short for heh
[21:19] <inetpro> or I'm here
[21:19] <Kilos> ah
[21:19] <inetpro> :-)
[21:19] <Kilos> hehe
[21:20] <Kilos> where you guys learn all this stuff
[21:20] <inetpro> Kilos: or I'm here but don't want to disturb you
[21:20] <Kilos> oh you so thoughtful
[21:20] <Kilos> just finished chatting to my chick
[21:20] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just making it up as I go :-)
[21:20] <Kilos> lol
[21:21] <Kilos> sense of humour too
[21:21] <Kilos> things looking good
[21:24] <Kilos> i really wish we would start growing here agin
[21:24] <Kilos> so sad this tiny channel
[21:25] <Kilos> Squirm, you membered the morse bit with maaz hey
[21:25] <Kilos> do you still member how o get mxit on karmic
[21:25] <Kilos> how to
[21:26] <Squirm> yes
[21:26] <Squirm> sudo apt-get install aptitude
[21:26] <Squirm> sudo aptitude purge empathy
[21:27] <Squirm> sudo aptitude install pidgin
[21:32] <Kilos> wow thats different
[21:32] <Kilos> will give it a go ty
[21:32] <Kilos> lwekker about maverick its already in there
[21:34] <Kilos> bed time for senior citizens
[21:35] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[21:35] <inetpro> Kilos: what's so different there?
[21:35] <inetpro> hmm... hy gaan slaap?
[21:35] <Kilos> didnt do it that way the first time
[21:35] <inetpro> ahh ok, lekker slaap Kilos
[21:35] <Kilos> had to get purple or something
[21:35] <inetpro> Kilos: no, pidgin has been pidgin for ever
[21:35] <Kilos> ok all. see ya morrow
[21:36] <Kilos> no man
[21:36] <Kilos> mxit in pidgfin
[21:36] <Kilos> not pidgin itself
[21:36] <inetpro> well, not quite but it was pidgin ever since it was renamed
[21:36] <Kilos> yes but in karmic it doesnt have mxit
[21:36] <inetpro> Kilos: but mxit is just an addon
[21:37] <Kilos> yes but not easy to find back then
[21:37] <inetpro> oh yes and the addon came later
[21:37] <Kilos> only Squirm  helped me
[21:37] <inetpro> ok
[21:37] <Squirm> hmm
[21:37] <Squirm> oh
[21:37] <Squirm> karmic
[21:37] <Kilos> and now i still got one karmic going but without mxit
[21:37]  * Squirm ponders
[21:37] <Kilos> lol
[21:38] <Kilos> you missed karmic Squirm
[21:38] <Kilos> hehe
[21:38] <Kilos> member you helped me a year ago or more
[21:38] <Squirm> I did
[21:38] <Squirm> I remember
[21:38] <Kilos> was actually quite a simple command but so long ago
[21:39] <Kilos> mavericks pidgin got everything
[21:39] <Kilos> im  not an empathy fan
[21:40] <inetpro> ok maybe I'm wrong about mxit being an addon
[21:41] <inetpro> mxit should just work together with gtalk if I remember correctly
[21:41] <Squirm> inetpro: mxit is an addon
[21:41] <inetpro> ok
[21:41] <Squirm> Kilos: did we have to update libpurple?
[21:41] <Squirm> was it libpurple 1.6 or something?
[21:41] <Kilos> something like that yes
[21:42] <Kilos> i remember it was somewthing to do with purple
[21:42] <Squirm> are you at that pc now?
[21:42]  * inetpro just can't seem to find the mxit addon right now
[21:42] <Squirm> inetpro: it's built into libpurple
[21:42] <Kilos> inetpro, where are you looking?
[21:43] <Kilos> on karmic?
[21:43] <inetpro> I looked in the plugins as well as in the protocols and in the ubuntu repositories
[21:44]  * inetpro is running maverick
[21:44] <Kilos> it was something we had to add to purple for karmic
[21:44] <Kilos> maverick has it in already
[21:45] <Kilos> just go accounts
[21:45] <Kilos> add account and its in the list there
[21:45] <Kilos> with aim and all the others
[21:45] <Kilos> i love maverick
[21:46] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, I missed it
[21:46] <Kilos> will keep it and install natty alongside if it will
[21:46] <Kilos> you need glasses lad
[21:46] <Kilos> hehe
[21:47] <inetpro> eish, maybe I need sleep
[21:47] <Kilos> lol
[21:48] <Kilos> ok guys. sleep tight. we look morrow for how to update libpurple on karmic


[11:06] <ogra> asac, so did you bring up your babbage already ?
[11:08] <asac> ogra: yes and no ;) ... default image boots ... karmic image doesnt get really far
[11:08] <asac> need to get serial adapter ;)
[11:09] <asac> but i think karmic image is not supposed to work?
[11:09] <ogra> it is
[11:09] <asac> yeah
[11:09] <ogra> and the others (i.e. JamieBennett, dyfet and plars ) use it
[11:09] <asac> hmm
[11:09] <asac> i get splash
[11:09] <ogra> and then ?
[11:10] <asac> in contrast to factory image the keyboard works
[11:10] <asac> but it doesnt get further ... getting IO errors
[11:10]  * ogra points to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-une-casper-speedup
[11:10] <ogra> give it 5 min
[11:10] <JamieBennett> asac, works fine here
[11:10] <ogra> IO errors ?
[11:10] <asac> hmm. five minutes ;) ... i waited quite some time
[11:10] <JamieBennett> CF card problems?
[11:11] <ogra> how did you write the image to SD
[11:11] <asac> using instructions on wiki
[11:11] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageKarmicInstall
[11:11] <ogra> yeah, that should just work
[11:12]  * JamieBennett uses ImageWriter :)
[11:12] <ogra> which way did you use to write the image ?
[11:12] <asac> dd
[11:12] <ogra> imagewriter is essentially dd
[11:12] <JamieBennett> ogra: yes
[11:12] <JamieBennett> but prettier
[11:12] <asac> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-armel+imx51.img
[11:12] <ogra> though it doesnt use bs=16M
[11:12] <ogra> no idea who added that
[11:12] <ogra> try witrhout the bs=16M
[11:13] <asac> checking
[11:13] <ogra> bs=1024 is the default in imagewriter
[11:13]  * ogra just checked the source
[11:14] <asac> ok using bs=1024
[11:15] <ogra> what kind of SD is that ? (brand/model)
[11:15] <asac> only thing the dealer had
[11:15] <ogra> former versions of the babbage (i.e. the B1) had probs with some cheapo SDs
[11:15] <asac> sandisk wasnt there ;)
[11:16] <asac> hmm
[11:16] <ogra> but that should be fixed since 2.0
[11:16] <asac> have to check when its not in my laptop
[11:16] <persia> asac: You might want to hunt up the specs on the card.  I've found that using bs=${NATIVE_BLOCKSIZE} causes faster and more accurate writes.
[11:16] <asac> i think its Trans* something
[11:16] <persia> Transcend probably
[11:16] <ogra> transcend
[11:16] <asac> yeah
[11:16] <ogra> bah, persia beats me :P
[11:16] <asac> sounds right
[11:17]  * persia just happened to have a transchend box at eye-level
[11:17]  * ogra doesnt think he has transcend around to test
[11:20] <asac> ok at least i dont see any I/O error atm
[11:21] <asac> it says "writing IMID and MAP to secure the partition"
[11:21] <asac> UMID
[11:22] <asac> ogra: does that sound familiar?
[11:22] <asac> JamieBennett: ?
[11:22] <JamieBennett> asac: you have a serial adapter now?
[11:23] <JamieBennett> or is that on the screen
[11:23] <JamieBennett> ?
[11:23] <asac> screen
[11:23] <asac> no serial adapter
[11:23] <asac> need to figure that during lunch i guess ;)
[11:23] <JamieBennett> That should take around 90 seconds then it continues to boot
[11:23] <asac> now i have like udevd.*worker.*failed...
[11:24] <JamieBennett> That shouldn't happen ;)
[11:24] <ogra> thats a kernel message
[11:24] <asac> yeah. seems it cannot handle the partitions somehow
[11:24] <ogra> so your kernel boots :)
[11:24] <ogra> no
[11:24] <ogra> that partition thing belongs to an encryption device in the SoC
[11:24] <ogra> just ignore it, we dont use that device
[11:24] <ogra> just be patient :)
[11:25]  * asac patient ;)
[11:25] <asac> ok if this is right there is definitly room for improving the image experience ;)
[11:26]  * ogra had patches to get that noisy messages away
[11:26] <asac> no i got "stadin: I/O error"
[11:26] <ogra> but the kernel team refused
[11:26] <asac> stdin: I/O error
[11:26] <asac> not sure if that is missing serial
[11:27] <ogra> freescale likes to use KERN_CRIT where it only needs KERN_INFO in many areas
[11:27] <asac> with my previous dd'ed image i only got those
[11:27] <JamieBennett> Have you tried another CF card to make sure its not that? Most of the problems seem to stem from some breakage there.
[11:27] <ogra> strange
[11:27] <asac> whats the md5sum of the .img file?
[11:28] <ogra> 297875d2a7531824a0fb08f241d33e8
[11:28] <asac> 297875d2a7531824a0fb08f241d33e85  ubuntu-9.10-desktop-armel+imx51.img
[11:28] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/MD5SUMS
[11:28] <asac> hmm seems right
[11:28] <ogra> whoops paste error
[11:29] <asac> anyone uses this without a serial console attached ;)?
[11:29] <asac> ok got another SD out of the bag from same brand though ;)
[11:30] <ogra> i never use a serial console if i dont have to
[11:30] <asac> the other option would be to kill the windows CE sandisk thing that was delivered ;)
[11:30] <ogra> and i only have to when i create new bootloader setups
[11:30] <ogra> windows CE ?
[11:30] <asac> yes
[11:30] <ogra> ugh
[11:30] <ogra> well, dd it off the SD
[11:30] <asac> two SD things where there: linux ... and windows CE
[11:30] <asac> hey... there even is a license ;)
[11:30] <ogra> and overwrite the SD then
[11:31] <ogra> you can always dd it back
[11:31] <asac> yeah
[11:31] <ogra> and order some sandisk cards ;)
[11:31] <asac> if thats the reason
[11:31] <ogra> you dont have a mediamarkt around in hamburg ?
[11:31] <asac> i have
[11:31] <ogra> they usually have multiple brands
[11:31] <asac> also saturn ;)
[11:32] <ogra> they too
[11:32] <asac> do they have usb to serial adapters ;)?
[11:32] <ogra> just buy three different ones
[11:32] <asac> hehe
[11:32] <ogra> sure
[11:32] <asac> sure ... i wouldnt say that for saturn
[11:32] <asac> they really have close to nothing
[11:32] <asac> nothing == everything that is too low level for main stream customer is missing
[11:33] <ogra> wow, the kassel saturn seems to be better then
[11:33] <persia> asac: That's just a call to change the needs of the "main stream consumer" :)
[11:34] <ogra> heh
[11:34] <ogra> yeah, just buy 10000 SD cards and you will change them
[11:35] <persia> Or start a local digital photo group for students, and get them to buy cards (this costs a few hours a week, rather than money)
[11:36] <ogra> you mean saturn would give away the cards for free to students ?
[11:36]  * ogra wonders how japan does business these days *g*
[11:36] <persia> No, but the students would pay rather than the instigator.
[11:36] <ogra> ah
[11:36] <asac> hah
[11:36] <asac> the other SD card worked ;)
[11:37] <asac> ubuntu X is starting ;)
[11:37] <persia> Saturn *might* give away cards, if it was part of some special program: I don't know enough about German tax provisions.
[11:37] <persia> \o/
[11:37] <asac> saturn is a rip-of-company ... say that they sell stuff cheap, but then you see the cheapest wireless router is 60 EUR
[11:37] <asac> while i get one at my dealer of same brand for 39 EUR
[11:37] <ogra> yeah
[11:38] <ogra> asac, congrats !
[11:38] <ogra> asac, install should take up to 1h
[11:38] <ogra> depending on the speed of your USB device
[11:39] <JamieBennett> (or more I have found)
[11:39]  * ogra takes a break
[11:58] <asac> hmm found out that the image kernel doesnt like my usb mass storage thing
[11:59] <asac> on x86 is fine with karmic kernel
[16:24] <asac> dmart: you said initially you have some ideas about the mksquashfs issue? current bt is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337345/
[16:36] <asac> dmart: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3
[16:39] <asac> dmart: so you need to download the .deb files and force install them because the codec package (just something dloaded) isnt there for chromium
[16:40] <asac> of course all depends but chromium...-ffmpeg should get installed ;)
[16:41] <ogra> did you build that yesterday ?
[16:42] <asac> right
[16:42] <asac> let me check if that worked ;)
[16:42] <asac> nope. failied to build
[16:42] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+build/1384064
[16:43] <asac> worked everywhere else, but arm as it seems
[16:43] <asac> ogra: is that the same error we get on ffmpeg in archive?
[16:43] <asac> fno-signed-zeros        -c -o libavformat/oggparseogm.o libavformat/oggparseogm.c
[16:43] <asac> In file included from libavformat/oggparseogm.c:27:
[16:43] <asac> ./libavcodec/get_bits.h:93:2: error: invalid preprocessing directive #warn
[16:43] <asac> hmm
[16:45] <ogra> to be honest i havent looked at ffmprg yet
[16:45] <ogra> *ffmpeg
[16:45] <ogra> post A1 stuff :)
[16:45] <asac> sure
[16:46] <asac> ogra: i think from the start of the call it felt like dmart had an idea on the mksquashfs thing ... lets wait what he says ;)
[16:46] <ogra> yeah
[16:46] <asac> ogra: upgrading karmic image yields a Read-only file system error
[16:47] <asac> when flashing kernel
[16:47] <asac> is that known?
[16:47] <asac> is mounted rw from what i can see
[16:47] <ogra> upgrading to what ?
[16:47] <asac> ogra: just upgrading to karmic-security/-updates
[16:47] <ogra> just security fixes ?
[16:47] <asac> yes
[16:47] <dmart> I have no particular idea on mksquashfs yet, but I'd be intrested in reproducing the bug if you can give me a test case
[16:47] <ogra> dmart, you have a pegatron nettop, right ?
[16:48] <asac> dmart: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337345/ thats the backtrace without symbols
[16:48] <ogra> dmart, just create a lucid chroot ... chroot into it and run mksquashfs on any dir you like
[16:48] <ogra> it will fail with SIGILL
[16:48] <asac> in some mutex stuff. though i doubt that pthread mutex can be broken completely
[16:49] <asac> but ... we can something similar for dchroot on the porter box which is also a pegatron afaik
[16:49] <asac> but not a sigill ;)
[16:49] <asac> dchroot -c lucid
[16:49] <asac> dchroot: pthread_mutex_lock.c:87: __pthread_mutex_lock: Assertion `mutex->__data.__owner == 0' failed.
[16:49] <asac> Aborted
[16:51] <ogra> is your call over ?
[16:51] <asac> yes
[16:54] <dmart> asac, can you throw me a link to the Chromium build and logs?
[16:54] <asac> dmart: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+packages
[16:54] <asac> dmart: you can access the build logs there
[16:54] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+build/1377663
[16:54] <asac> dmart: ^^
[16:55] <asac> dmart: the .debs are on the +packages page
[16:55] <asac> just the unfold the topmost build
[16:55] <dmart> Oh, right.  "mozilla" confused me ;)
[16:55] <asac> sorry
[16:55] <asac> was the only place i had spare that has native ppa capabilities ;)
[16:55] <asac> will get a better place
[16:56] <dmart> Cheers
[17:03] <asac> ogra: where is this "Flashing kernel..." done?
[17:03] <asac> FIS create failed.
[17:03] <ogra> create ?
[17:03] <ogra> what are you doing there ?
[17:04] <asac> triggers update-initramfs
[17:04] <asac> ogra: i dist-upgraded ... kernel wants to update initramfs etc.
[17:04] <ogra> update-initramfs calls flash-kernel
[17:04] <asac> then it says "flashing kernel"
[17:04] <asac> yeah
[17:04] <asac> i want to add debug statement to see which device it tries to write to
[17:04] <asac> but found it in triggers now
[17:04] <ogra> and flash-kernel replaces the initramfs in the existing fis
[17:04] <ogra> the device is defined in /etc/flash-kernel.conf
[17:05] <ogra> as well as the offset and lenght
[17:05] <asac> hmm its wrong
[17:05] <asac> i still have the sd card with installer in the first slot
[17:05] <asac> is that wrong?
[17:05] <asac> the install SD card didnt boot on its own
[17:05] <ogra> the SD turns into a boot floppy
[17:05] <ogra> after install
[17:06] <dmart> asac, ogra: I tried running mksquashfs /etc etc.squash --- didn't crash for me.  Do I need a heavier test?
[17:06] <ogra> it needs to stay where it was when you installed
[17:06] <asac> dmart: it only happens on pegatron lucid
[17:06] <asac> are you trying that?
[17:06] <asac> afaik it doesnt happen on babbage etc.
[17:06] <asac> ogra: right. so the flash-kernel.conf is wrong ... unless thats the define it is supposed to be flashed to
[17:06] <ogra> dmart, you need a lucid chroot and be chrooted and do all that on a nettop
[17:06] <asac> s/define/device/
[17:06] <ogra> asac, what does it contain ?
[17:07] <asac> it contains mmm.*0 ... but the actual SD card the main install is on is mm.*1
[17:07] <ogra> fis_dev=/dev/mmcblk0
[17:07] <ogra> fis_offset_hex=0x40000
[17:07] <ogra> fis_size_hex="0x1F000"
[17:07] <asac> yes thats what i have
[17:07] <ogra> thats the default
[17:07] <dmart> ogra, I'm doing that except in a Babbage2.0 board...  I'll try one of the nettops.
[17:07] <asac> but the actual install is on mmcblk1
[17:07] <asac> blk0 is the boot floppy thing ... which is read-only as it seems
[17:07] <ogra> asac, not your bootloader
[17:07] <asac> yeah
[17:07] <asac> so 0 is correct i guess
[17:08] <asac> wonder if all is lost now ;)
[17:08] <ogra> yes
[17:08] <ogra> no
[17:08] <ogra> it just doesnt use the new initramfs
[17:08] <ogra> did you lock the card physically ?
[17:08] <asac> right. thats why i want to shutdown now ... to check
[17:08] <asac> or is it safe to remove it while running ;)?
[17:09] <ogra> you can remove the "bootfloppy" any time you dont boot or run flash-kernel
[17:09] <asac> oh ok
[17:09]  * ogra needs to go for dinner ...
[17:09] <ogra> back soon
[17:09] <asac> hmm removing and adding worked
[17:10] <asac> odd
[17:10] <asac> let me try the trigger again
[17:10] <asac> ok cool
[17:10] <asac> the issue just flew away ;)
[17:10]  * asac reboots and hopes that the mass storage thing is fixed in latest kernel
[17:29] <dmart> asac, ogra: OK, I see the mksquashfs bug now.  Weeeird, I wonder what's different from the other platforms :O
[17:46] <asac> dmart: how sure are we that the mutex stuff in libc is correctly ported?
[17:46] <asac> i couldnt even find the arm specific code for that on quick glance ... but then i looked in redhat libc - which isnt what we use anyway
[17:50] <asac> hmm ... i constantly get complains about expired password
[18:39] <dmart> ogra, lool: ping
[18:40] <ogra> dmart, yup
[18:40] <dmart> Hi there... looks like I may have some info on the mksquashfs problem
[18:40] <ogra> ah, cool
[18:41] <dmart> mksquashfs contains a misaligned multi-register store instruction
[18:41] <ogra> misaligned in which way ?
[18:41] <ogra> i mean it works with the right kernel
[18:42] <dmart> STM with base register not a multiple of 4 (which might itself be due to a bug)
[18:42] <ogra> hmm
[18:42] <dmart> The kernel traps and emulates certain kinds of misaligned memory access, but the emulation for Thumb is not complete in 2.6.28
[18:42] <ogra> i find it significant that it only happens with the pegatron kernel
[18:43] <ogra> ah
[18:43] <dmart> So for "proper" karmic, it works
[18:43] <ogra> right
[18:43] <dmart> I think NCommander's error in GCC may have been similar
[18:43] <ogra> well, he used a karmic kernel iirc
[18:43] <ogra> but lucid userspace
[18:44] <ojn> Why is it generated in the first place though, the toolchain should avoid it if it can right?
[18:44] <ojn> (misaligned stores, that is)
[18:45] <dmart> Yeah, we'd have to check what NCommander was doing.
[18:46] <dmart> The compiler should not generate misaligned stores, so either it's a compiler code gen bug, or a pointer is getting corrupted due to a C bug
[18:46] <ogra> ojn, the issue is with a 2.6.28 kernel that was compiled for ARMv5 and userspace tools that are v7, the userspce toold for squashfs are very closely connected to the kernel module
[18:47] <ojn> ogra: Right, but like dmart says gcc should avoid operations with performance penalties such as trapped and emulated loads/stores.
[18:47] <ogra> yeah, iondeed
[18:47] <dmart> The SIGILL goes away with -O0
[18:48] <ogra> ah
[18:48] <ogra> good pointer
[18:49] <asac> cool
[18:49] <dmart> When you do something like int *p; *p = x; GCC knows ints are aligned and so can assume that p is properly aligned, but if p gets corrupted, this assumption may break
[18:49] <ogra> yeah
[19:37] <asac> ogra: is the hardware clock supposed to work?
[19:37] <asac> for bbg?
[19:37] <ogra> yes
[19:37] <asac> seems mine always goes back to 1970 ... which then causes
[19:37] <asac> password for auto login to expire
[19:37] <ogra> note that the battery needs about 8h
[19:37] <asac> and autologin breaking
[19:37] <asac> ah
[19:38] <asac> hmm
[19:38] <ogra> wait until tomorrow, if it still doesnt work thats a 3.0 issue
[19:38] <asac> kk
[19:38] <ogra> we had issues on 2.5 but we solved them#
[19:40] <asac> we solved them?
[19:40] <asac> so its not battery related?
[19:40] <asac> hmm
[19:40] <asac> i remember something sourrounding hwclock by scott
[19:40] <ogra> there were battery related and non battery related issues
[19:41] <asac> he basically broke my laptop to always bail out when it got a power off shutdown
[19:41] <ogra> the battery related ones pointed out that you need to run the board for 8h first
[19:41] <ogra> we solved the non battery related ones though
[19:41] <asac> ok. so really running or just with power plugged in?
[19:41] <ogra> its the kernel, not the hwclock userspce proggy
[19:42] <ogra> it can well be that the 3.0 hwclock driver isnt fully functional
[19:42] <asac> why do we ask for password renewal at all?
[19:42] <ogra> since we didnt have 3.0 boards to even test
[19:42] <asac> how can i turn that off for now? is that a gdm config?
[19:42] <asac> i didnt even change the clock. but still it resets to time=0 all the time
[19:42] <asac> and logging in becomes highly painful ;)
[19:42] <ogra> how do you restart ?
[19:42] <asac> even sudo
[19:43] <ogra> do you power off the board completely ?
[19:43] <asac> this time i restarted as pusing the installer button
[19:43] <asac> previously i also powered off completely
[19:43] <ogra> and are you sure the clock is at 1970 ?
[19:43] <asac> yes. 1st jan 1970
[19:43] <ogra> we had an issue where the board set the clock to something like 1939 ...
[19:43] <asac> 2:38am now
[19:43] <asac> (probably 1:38 sincei started it)
[19:43] <ogra> which nohting could cope with (pre epoch)
[19:43] <asac> hmm
[19:44] <asac> let me check on terminal. i only look at gnome clock atm
[19:44] <JamieBennett> ogra: it had problems with passwords too
[19:44] <asac> yes its 1st jan 1970
[19:44] <asac> and gets reset on reboot
[19:44] <JamieBennett> yup, sounds right
[19:44] <asac> so not even full power cycle
[19:44] <asac> is needed
[19:44] <ogra> one thing to make sure the clock is right is to use ethernet :)
[19:44] <asac> JamieBennett: ogra says it needs to be 8h power on
[19:44] <ogra> ntpdate runs on ifup
[19:44] <asac> though i cannot see how a quick power off needs a full 8h
[19:44] <asac> ;)
[19:45] <asac> its just for a minute or two off
[19:45] <ogra> but the battery doent have the needed voltage yet
[19:45] <asac> hmm. i didnt brin gup network for install this time
[19:45] <JamieBennett> asac: mine has been plugged in for more than 8hrs, whats the betting it keeps its time?
[19:45] <ogra> it needs to be at 2.6V or some such
[19:45] <asac> JamieBennett: my guess is that it will get reset ;)
[19:45] <JamieBennett> :)
[19:45] <asac> ogra might want to bet against ;)
[19:46] <ogra> well, in any case ntpdate fixes it ... so ethernet on boot helps a lot
[19:46] <JamieBennett> or just set the time ;)
[19:46] <ogra> no, i wouldnt bet on anything for a board i have never seen :)
[19:46]  * JamieBennett goes to check
[19:46] <ogra> i can only talk about B2.5
[19:46] <asac> the password is too simple thing is also just annoying ;)
[19:46] <asac> ogra: you saw a pic ;)
[19:46] <ogra> and i know we had massive issues with the hwclock driver during karmic ... but for the 2.5 they were solved
[19:47] <ogra> asac, there was no arrow pointing to the RTC chip on it !
[19:47] <ogra> how am i supposed to know it works without that !
[19:48]  * ogra needs arrows on pics
[19:48] <asac> its super annoying
[19:48] <asac> i have to change password everytime i run sudo
[19:48] <ogra> plug in ethernet
[19:49] <asac> i am online ;)
[19:49] <asac> oh right
[19:49] <asac> thats the reason why
[19:49] <asac> i just got beamed to present ;)
[19:49] <asac> how can i disable this shitty password expiry feature ;)?
[19:49]  * asac checks passwd
[19:49] <ogra> its a bug in shadow
[19:50] <ogra> and i'm sure it was fixed once so it doesnt ask for passwords if it recognizes that timestamp
[19:50] <asac> its a bug that we have it enabled at all?
[19:50] <ogra> probably the patch got lost
[19:50] <ogra> yes imho
[19:50] <ogra> talk to colin, i think he applied the patch back sometime between hardy and jaunty
[19:51] <ogra> (it was my bug actually, but i didnt do the fix)
[19:51] <asac> lets see if setting --maxdays=0 helps
[19:53] <ogra> just make sure to have the ethernet cable plugged in on boot :)
[19:54] <asac> hmm
[19:54] <asac> let me setup nm to startup wifi on boot
[19:54] <asac> eth is just too spartanic ;)
[19:55] <ogra> heh
[19:55] <ogra> its reliable ...
[19:55] <ogra> no microwaves can interfere
[20:28] <asac> my microwave fried itself a year ago ... never got a new one ;)
[20:29] <kblin> but how do you melt chocolate then?
[20:48] <fta> bain-marie
[20:48] <fta> asac, did you copy the codecs just yet?
[20:53] <asac> fta: not yet. shall i?
[20:53] <asac> last time i looked they were 15h old
[20:54] <fta> that's ok, it's the one
[20:54] <asac> not sure if those are the bits i should give a spin
[20:54]  * asac checks
[20:55] <asac> 18h
[20:55] <asac> fta:  chromium-codecs-ffmpeg - 0.5+svn20091208r34028-0ubuntu1~ucd1
[20:55] <asac> please confirm so i dont waste built time ;)
[20:55] <fta> yes, correct
[20:56] <asac> ok let me copy existing binaries so it doesnt steal amd64 time
[20:56] <asac> ok copied
[20:56] <asac> and failed to copy binaries ;)
[20:57] <asac> hmmm ... instantly got a buildd
[20:57] <asac> odd scheduling
[20:57] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3/+build/1386748
[21:38] <asac> dyfet: did you manage to get the strace and backtrace for chromium?
[21:38] <asac> would be really helpful ;)
[21:44] <asac> fta: no luck: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/36600814/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.chromium-codecs-ffmpeg_0.5%2Bsvn20091208r34028-0ubuntu1~ucd1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:04] <fta> asac, hm, grr, thanks, will have a look
[22:05] <fta> fighting to setup a beta channel ppa right now
[22:12] <dyfet> asac: it died in the strace, somewhere on a poll, just froze, long before any window opened, so it did not seem to go through the actual crash
[22:13] <dyfet> but I can send you that file right now
[22:15] <asac> plese not in my email ;)
[22:15] <asac> fta: i can fix it by adding -fPIC
[22:15] <asac> just tried
[22:15] <asac> by accing $(PIC) to CFLAGS in common.mak actually
[22:15] <asac> by adding
[22:15] <dyfet> it wasnt that long before strace...stopped...but if you have a new build, I could try that right now
[22:16] <asac> not sure if that would break anything somewhere ese
[22:16] <asac> dyfet: we have a lucid build. have you been trying that?
[22:16] <asac> dyfet: without strace ... do you see it start?
[22:16] <asac> dyfet: i assume you directed the strace output in a file?
[22:16] <dyfet> no on karmic.  Without strace, it starts, opens the main window, then has the pure virtual function call error and dies
[22:17] <dyfet> with strace, it just "stops" on a poll call it cannot seem to print out completely...
[22:17] <fta> asac, with the sumo change, i will no longer use the upstream build system (autoconf) but use the gyp file provided by chromium, so it has their own optimizations
[22:18] <asac> hmm
[22:18] <asac> fta: when is sumo change?
[22:19] <fta> asac, not today
[22:19] <asac> close, far ?
[22:26] <fta> not much, i have http://codereview.chromium.org/463050/show and i need http://code.google.com/p/gyp/issues/detail?id=119
[22:27] <fta> the 1st just landed, the 2nd is in progress
[23:09] <asac> fta: also: libavcodec/get_bits.h:93:2: warning: #warning TODO - secure this against read overrun
[23:09] <asac> libavcodec/aac.c: In function 'aac_decode_frame':
[23:09] <asac> libavcodec/aac.c:1634: error: 'GetBitContext' has no member named 'index'
[23:10] <asac> after fPIC
[23:10] <asac> that seems to be some code path that is usually not used ... :/
[23:10] <asac> guess the gyp thing might help here
[23:10] <fta> the TODO is from a patch
[23:10] <asac> yeah
[23:10] <asac> that patch is probably bogus
[23:10] <asac> where did you get that from?
[23:11] <asac> hmm which patch ;)
[23:11] <asac> i thought i found it at some point. now i dont see it
[23:12] <asac> ./patches/ugly/17_get_bits_overrun.patch
[23:12] <asac> dont see that this patch introduces that issue
[23:12] <asac> its really that ALT_BITSTREAM_READER
[23:13] <asac> is probably set usually
[23:13] <asac> but here we have some other reader
[23:14] <asac> ah ... so my patch about right
[23:14] <asac> they do it for other ->index refereces too
[23:17] <asac> dyfet: so did you direct the output of strace to a file rather than to stdout/err?
[23:22] <dyfet> Yes
[23:23] <asac> ok and that stalled still?
[23:23] <dyfet> Yes
[23:23] <asac> hmm. maybe try just strace -eopen -f ...
[23:23] <asac> that doesnt dump that many data
[23:23] <asac> and the gdb/bt ?
[23:24] <asac> also to no success?
[23:24] <asac> dyfet: ?
[23:24] <dyfet> that I can still do also
[23:24] <dyfet> I thought you had asked me not too :)
[23:25] <asac> no. i wanted strace first ;)
[23:25] <asac> but since that failed we reach for the other straw ;)
[23:25] <asac> anyway
[23:26] <asac> dyfet: we want to understand whats going on ... sudo apt-get install -f ... what does that suggest you?
[23:26] <asac> only complaining aobut the ffmpeg things missing?
[23:27] <dyfet> Yes.  They were the chromium version of ffmpeg it was complaining about
[23:27] <asac> only that?
[23:27] <asac> sure you have everything else?
[23:28] <dyfet> about to check
[23:29] <dyfet>   Package chromium-codecs-ffmpeg is not installed.
[23:29] <dyfet>   Package chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-nonfree is not installed.
[23:31] <dyfet> and strace so far is still not being very friendly...
[23:34] <dyfet> I can run it but if I go anywhere, I get a sad face and a pure virtual method called.  But if I use strace, it never even comes up to an initial screen...
[23:34] <dyfet> I am adding dbg package now
[23:37] <dyfet> asac: its taking its time coming up with gdb...
[23:38] <asac> yeah
[23:45] <dyfet> asac: https://pastebin.canonical.com/25504/
[23:45] <asac> S32A_Opaque_BlitRow32_neon
[23:45] <asac> neon
[23:45] <asac> doesnt work i guess
[23:45] <asac> fta: ^^ ... does the armv7 switch enable neon?
[23:46] <dyfet> nope. doesnt seem to...
[23:46] <asac> looked in chromium sure?
[23:47] <dyfet> I did not snag your sources at the time, only the debs...
[23:47] <rcn-ee> asac, add -mfpu=neon
[23:49] <asac> whats the current default?
[23:49] <asac> hmm seems that is bogus i guess
[23:50] <fta> armv7==1 sets the following:
[23:50] <fta>                       '-march=armv7-a',
[23:50] <fta>                       '-mtune=cortex-a8',
[23:50] <fta>                       '-mfpu=neon',
[23:50] <fta>                       '-mfloat-abi=softfp',
[23:50] <asac> yes. i think =neon is bad
[23:51] <asac> fta: i see that ffmpeg in chromium source already has a gyp
[23:51] <asac> so its already done there?
[23:51] <fta> yes
[23:52] <asac> ok .... so we need to remove the =neon somewhere
[23:52] <asac> seems there is no way around a quick and dirty patch
[23:52] <asac> well there is, but not quickly :)
[23:52] <asac> -march=armv7-a -mthumb -mfpu=vfpv3-d16 -mfloat-abi=softfp -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb
[23:52] <fta> build/common.gypi but you might want to file a bug and explain why it's bad, i know nothing about =neon
[23:52] <asac> thats what we use by default
[23:53] <fta> -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb is set when arm_thumb == 1
[23:53] <asac> neon is not available on all armv7
[23:53] <fta> oh
[23:53] <asac> i actually think we just want what we have set by default
[23:54] <asac> maybe we should just build without armv7
[23:54] <asac> let me kill the build and try that  over night
[23:54] <asac> yay
[23:54] <asac> ffmpeg builds now
[23:55] <asac> though there seem to be switches somewhere that made it fail without armv7
[23:55] <asac> imo the CFLAGS should get decoupled from that switch somehow
[23:59] <asac> fta: so i added CFLAGS = -fPIC -DPIC to rules (for armel most likely - not sure why there only)
[23:59] <asac> and i added this patch:
[23:59] <asac> patches/ugly/51_get_aac_build_for_arm.patch:
[23:59] <asac> http://pastebin.com/f65476f12


[00:31] <mup> Bug #1627218 opened: snap refresh does not pull the latest betas <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627218>
[12:34] <neurot> If I have a program installed natively or through a PPA and I want to install the same program but newer version through Snap am I getting two of the program or am I going to get an update
[12:47] <Mikaela> neurot: you get two instances, the repo/PPA version and the snap, unless something big has happened without me noticing (just a user)
[12:48] <oparoz> Are symlinks between snaps blocked by some policy?
[12:50] <neurot> Mikaela thank you
[12:50] <Mikaela> you're welcome
[12:52] <neurot> From what I understand snap packages stay in their own folder correct
[12:55] <oparoz> it depends on what you mean by "stay"
[12:56] <oparoz> They're installed in their own folders, split in 2-3
[12:56] <oparoz> more like 2-5
[13:00] <neurot> ok i have hexchat 2.12.0 installed (ppa) and unofficial-hexchat 2.12.1 (snap) how can I run the unofficial hexchat
[13:01] <neurot> sorry I'm new to snaps
[13:11] <niemeyer> neurot: You should have /snap/bin/unofficial-hexchat*
[13:12] <neurot> ok thank you
[13:17] <oparoz> Are the plugs global to the snap or is Snappy really looking at which command is authorised to use a plug?
[13:19] <mup> Bug #1627309 opened: bluetooth-control noble.js not working <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627309>
[15:17] <oparoz_> :S the content interface needs a serious redesign
[15:17] <oparoz_> It doesn't make sense to land on the ro partition when giving read-write access
[15:47] <mup> Bug #1627338 opened: Content interface needs a redesign <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1627338>
[16:17] <popey> ogra_: you will be pleased to hear I have purchased a serial cable :)
[16:30] <berker_> Hi
[16:30] <berker_> I just installed snappy on my raspberry pi 2
[16:31] <berker_> Did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:31] <berker_> Afterwards i did a reboot
[16:31] <berker_> It seems like its not connected to the internet anymore...
[16:32] <berker_> when i do sudo apt-get update, it gives me unable to resolve host ubuntu: connection refused
[16:33] <berker_> I will very much apreciate if you could help me
[16:33] <berker_> I'm traying since yesterday, followed the steps written on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/raspberry-pi-2/
[16:34] <berker_> It doesn't work.. or something is wrong with the image
[16:44] <BlackStouse> Hi there!
[16:45] <BlackStouse> I'm trying to use "snap install rocketchat-server" and i'm receiving a 401 http response code
[16:46] <BlackStouse> https://imgur.com/a/AryVl
[16:47] <BlackStouse> Thats the error
[16:47] <BlackStouse> Can anyone help me?
[17:14] <berker_> how can i set max usb current on snappy?
[17:15] <berker_> there is no boot config
[17:36] <BlackStouse> I'm trying to use "snap install rocketchat-server" and i'm receiving a 401 http response code
[17:36] <BlackStouse> https://imgur.com/a/AryVl
[17:36] <BlackStouse> Anyone can help me?
[18:13] <BlackStouse> I'm trying to use "snap install rocketchat-server" and i'm receiving a 401 http response code
[18:13] <BlackStouse> https://imgur.com/a/AryVl
[18:14] <BlackStouse> https://imgur.com/a/AryVl
[18:27]  * ogra_ applauds popey
[18:30] <Gesic> Hello, i tried to install Snappy on a raspi3 but I can't get past the rainbowscreen.
[18:52] <Gesic> pi


[00:04] <ara> stgraber, thanks!
[00:43] <stgraber> ara: worked ?
[00:44] <ara> stgraber, it did indeed, thanks!
[00:48] <ara> grantbow, hey! how is it going?
[02:36] <grantbow> ara: hi there
[11:04] <grantbow> my karmic iso downloaded using testdrive just hangs when I try to install.  Is this happening for others?  known bug?
[11:26] <Damascene> Does any one here have Eee pc?


[07:14] <Hoolxi> 4
[09:16] <infinity> hggdh: That flash-kernel trigger seems a bit goofy...
[09:20] <infinity> Hrm, or maybe not.
[09:21]  * infinity scratches his head.
[09:26] <infinity> hggdh: Oh, I wonder if maybe the triggers disappeared because flash-kernel was upgraded to a different version in the same run.  Curious.  If that's the case, most trigger implementations are actually subtly wrong.
[14:05] <ali1234> why is the module dummy_hcd missing from quantal kernel packages?
[15:31] <hggdh> infinity: this may well be the case


[00:59] <T3Kn0> I cant get my output to switch from S-Vid to VGA
[01:04] <Shadow__X> if you wait someone will answer
[01:06] <T3Kn0> ok
[01:12] <gizmobay> Anyone know where I can get mythstream for the trunk?
[10:42] <styelz> ill juswt use amixer and the keyboard shortcuts
[19:24] <James192345> Hi, I just installed the nvidia drivers for my PNY NVIDIA 7600 GS, and restarted only to be greeted by a black screen. Anyone know how I can fix this. Ctrl+Alt+F1 doesnt work.
[19:37] <styelz> try ssh into it
[19:38] <styelz> got an F-lock keyboard ;)
[19:44] <James192345> the f keys are on
[19:44] <James192345> and I dont think I can ssh into it
[19:58] <superm1> boot in recovery mode
[20:00] <James192345> did that
[20:00] <James192345> it didnt fix anything
[20:00] <James192345> i just installed mythbuntu 9.04
[20:00] <James192345> trying to get that to work now
[20:04] <superm1> well in recovery mode you can look at the logs for the failures and/or remove the drivers
[20:04] <superm1> just booting into it wont do anything :)
[20:07] <James192345> I tried to run some commands to replace the drivers but they didnt work
[20:08] <superm1> well you'll want to look at the logs first to see what was flipping out


[12:18] <mdz> are we ready for the ABI change dance?
[03:01] <lamont> jbailey: I actually have a few of the canonical-pressed hplaptop CD's/.
[03:31] <zul> heylo
[04:31] <fabbione> morning
[05:24] <desrt> are restricted modules meant to be working?
[05:25] <desrt> like, should i start filing reports if they are not?
[05:29] <fabbione> desrt: just 2 minutes and i will be back..
[05:33] <fabbione> desrt: soo.. what problem do you have?
[05:33] <desrt> fabbione; basically, nothing works :)
[05:34] <desrt> madwifi, fglrx
[05:34] <fabbione> desrt: stop.. what arch?
[05:34] <desrt> madwifi on my powerbook
[05:34] <desrt> fglrx on my 686-smp
[05:34] <fabbione> desrt: ok.. do this as a temporary workaround...
[05:34] <fabbione> edit /sbin/lrm-manager
[05:35] <fabbione> where it calls ld
[05:35] <desrt> incidentally, the CVS madwifi drivers work great
[05:35] <fabbione> and replace it with /bin/ld_static
[05:35] <fabbione> reboot and everything will work
[05:35] <desrt> wow.
[05:35] <fabbione> desrt: madwifi is from CVS
[05:35] <desrt> that's that volatile business, i suppose
[05:35] <fabbione> or execute lrm-manager again
[05:35] <fabbione> yes
[05:35] <fabbione> that's correct
[05:36] <desrt> this is awesomeness
[05:36] <desrt> i'll let you know how it goes
[05:36] <desrt> what's the word with the agpgart vendor patches against fglrx, btw?
[05:39] <desrt> (EE) fglrx(0): [agp]  unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_EINVAL"
[05:39] <desrt> i really don't know if i should be bugging you or daniels :)
[05:39] <fabbione> none of us...
[05:39] <fabbione> we have no source for that crap
[05:39] <desrt> :P
[05:39] <fabbione> :)
[05:39] <desrt> well
[05:39] <desrt> daniels said he got the R350 mesa driver into X
[05:40] <desrt> so maybe i'll just switch to that....
[05:40] <fabbione> yes he did...
[05:40] <desrt> *ahem* *nudge*
[05:40] <desrt> :)
[05:44] <desrt> anyway.  still in the same place
[05:44] <desrt> i'm gonna try your ld_static thing and see what madwifi does on my powerbook
[05:44] <fabbione> it should work without any problem
[05:45] <fabbione> otherwise open a bug, but i am not sure to who you should assign it
[05:45] <fabbione> i am out of kernel business :;)
[05:45] <desrt> there is a known problem in cvs madwifi drivers on ppc
[05:45] <desrt> if the interface is 'up' then the system will lock up when it tries to go to sleep
[05:45] <desrt> i'm gonna make sure the problem actually occurs with the drivers ubuntu is shipping
[05:46] <fabbione> desrt: i am pretty there would be no problem to get it fixed if you have the patch or the diff or the right pointer...
[05:47] <desrt> fabbione; what i do now is just have a power event script for 'suspend' that does ifconfig ath0 down
[05:47] <desrt> fabbione; i'm gonna try and find out more
[12:48] <sedak> hello here
[12:52] <sedak> i want to know if someone would like to have a look on the module package i made
[12:52] <sedak> ?
[12:52] <sedak> for now it's still on the REVU system for MOTU, waiting for comment before it get uploaded
[12:54] <sedak> but as it is a little too sensitive to be reviewed by MOTU, i'd been ask to ask you to heve a look and tell if the package is fine
[12:54] <sedak> it's here:
[12:54] <sedak> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=481
[02:30] <zul> morning
[02:40] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:42] <zul> hey fabbione how is it going?
[02:45] <fabbione> zul: as usual... tired,..
[02:45] <fabbione> i am going to stop soon today
[02:45] <zul> whatcha been working on?
[02:46] <fabbione> installs, upgrades from hoary, livecd, ltsp
[02:46] <zul> fun fun
[02:47] <fabbione> eheh yeah
[02:50] <fabbione> later dude
[02:55] <zul> c ya
[02:57] <{Seb}> any kernel people around?
[02:57] <{Seb}> got a problem with breezy kernel
[02:57] <{Seb}> modules-related
[02:58] <chmj> shoot
[02:59] <{Seb}> i've installed ndiswrapper-utils
[02:59] <{Seb}> and installed the windows driver and it works (in a fasion)
[02:59] <{Seb}> in hoary, i just added 'ndiswrapper' to the /etc/modules file
[02:59] <{Seb}> but on boot, i think it isn't loading the module
[03:00] <{Seb}> because it hangs on 'Loading Modules...'
[03:00] <{Seb}> and only continues when i remove the adaptor
[03:00] <{Seb}> idea?
[03:00] <{Seb}> anythign i can try?
[03:00] <{Seb}> would you like an exact error?
[03:02] <{Seb}> has this problem been seen?
[03:02] <{Seb}> is the ndiswrapper module out of date?
[03:03] <sedak> i tried the ndiswrapper module in breezy and it worked for me
[03:03] <sedak> what is your card ?
[03:03] <{Seb}> D-Link DWL-G122
[03:03] <{Seb}> the USB adpator works fine
[03:03] <{Seb}> once i remove it and re-insert it
[03:04] <{Seb}> just seems on boot is the proble
[03:04] <sedak> well
[03:04] <sedak> i don't really know
[03:05] <sedak> did you try to reinstall the driver in breezy or you've just kept the one in hoary ?
[03:05] <{Seb}> how can i check the kernel is loading the module
[03:05] <{Seb}> it was fresh install
[03:05] <sedak> ok
[03:05] <sedak> when you try to load the module
[03:05] <sedak> is their something in syslog ?
[03:05] <sedak> there
[03:06] <{Seb}> no, what i did was add an entry to /etc/modules
[03:06] <sedak> and when you modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[03:06] <{Seb}> it works
[03:06] <sedak> ah ...
[03:07] <sedak> well, i have no idea about this pb
[03:07] <{Seb}> when i turn the laptop on
[03:07] <{Seb}> the adaptor is plugged in
[03:07] <{Seb}> and the boot process stops at Loading Modules....
[03:07] <{Seb}> and when i remove the adaptor, it continues
[03:07] <{Seb}> but i plugged it striaght back in at it works
[03:08] <{Seb}> i remember this behavior from hoary
[03:08] <{Seb}> which i solved by adding the line to /etc/modules
[03:12] <sedak> so it's on usb ?
[03:12] <{Seb}> yeh
[03:13] <sedak> maybe you need to load the usb driver before ...
[03:13] <sedak> well, i'm only guessing
[03:13] <{Seb}> are you a kernel hacker?
[03:13] <sedak> not really ...
[03:13] <sedak> i wish i was
[03:14] <sedak> i'm only here to get a driver approved :-)
[03:14] <sedak> normally, the only thing i know is how to build the kernel package, sorry to deceive you
[03:52] <{Seb}> the error i get is
[03:52] <{Seb}> "ndiswrapper (usb_reset_port:633): usb_reset_device() = -19
[03:52] <{Seb}>      ndiswrapper (usb_reset_port:633): usb_reset_device() = -22
[03:52] <{Seb}>      Windows driver couldn't initalize the device
[04:23] <zul> {Seb}: open a bug in bugzilla we might able to do antyhing or check with the ndiswrapper folks
[04:24] <{Seb}> i'm building 1.3rc1
[04:25] <{Seb}> which might fix it
[04:25] <{Seb}> because the version in the repos is quite old
[04:25] <{Seb}> it is 1.1
[04:28] <{Seb}> the update could possible fix it
[04:34] <zul> 2.6.10?
[04:34] <BenC> zul: any luck with the yukon driver?
[04:35] <zul> BenC: i didnt have a chance to last night my wife wanted to spend quality time last night
[04:35] <BenC> man's biggest productivity killer, "quality time" :)
[04:35] <zul> {Seb}: i know...breezy has 1.1
[04:36] <{Seb}> will it be updatde?
[04:38] <zul> breezy has 2.6.12
[04:38] <zul> BenC: ever since we got married she got really needy
[04:39] <zul> but ill be starting it tonight
[04:39] <{Seb}> no, i mean will the ndiswrapper package (and module be updated)
[04:40] <{Seb}> as I suspect this is the cause
[04:41] <zul> no it wont you will have to update it yourself hoary only is for security fixes and the like
[04:44] <zul> i think there is instrucions on the wiki to install ndiswrapper
[04:48] <zul> or you can upgrade to breezy
[04:49] <{Seb}> i'm runny Breezy
[04:49] <{Seb}> and have been for some while
[04:49] <{Seb}> but the ndiswrapper-utils and modules are out of date
[05:06] <BenC> zul: take your time, I'm out of commission atleast for today
[05:06] <{Seb}> nope, when i add it to /etc/modules,
[05:06] <{Seb}> it just hangs on Loading Modules...
[05:15] <dilinger> blah, the ndiswrapper people are up to 1.3rc1
[05:16] <{Seb}> exactly
[05:16] <{Seb}> and the problem stil exists
[05:23] <zul> blah
[05:26] <zul> BenC: should we update ndiswrapper to 1.2 atleast?
[05:27] <{Seb}> Yes!
[07:07] <jbailey> When I move mount a filesystem, anything mounted underneath that should be handled correctly, right?
[07:07] <mxpxpod> zul: ping
[07:18] <zul> pong
[07:18] <zul> jbailey: like what?
[07:19] <mxpxpod> zul: have you checked out my bug on the kernel regarding wlan-ng?
[07:20] <zul> unpong
[07:20] <zul> in meeting at work
[07:20] <mxpxpod> haha
[08:11] <zul> back..
[08:11] <zul> oh..


[16:59] <eddiedean> Hello
[17:01] <eddiedean> I'm making a liveCD iso with remastersys, and I want to know how to bypass that old grub screen and load directly this ubiquity screen: http://i.imgur.com/BmRX1ky.png Thanks
[18:37] <eddiedean> Hmm, I only get to load the Ubiquity installer in english
[20:26] <cyphermox> eddiedean: pass maybe-ubiquity on the kernel command line, and ...
[20:27] <cyphermox> locale=zh_CN keyboard-configuration/layoutcode?=cn
[20:27] <cyphermox> ^ that's what we pass for default to chinese
[20:27] <cyphermox> so you'd use the right locale type for your language
[20:29] <eddiedean> Hmmm
[20:29] <eddiedean> cyphermox in the isolinux.cfg, right?
[20:29] <cyphermox> ah, no
[20:30] <cyphermox> if you get the menu from grub, it would be in grub.cfg
[20:30] <eddiedean> Ok, I'll give a try, cyphermox
[20:30] <cyphermox> if you get a prettier graphical-ish menu with a ubuntu logo, then yes it would be in isolinux
[20:30] <cyphermox> if you intend to boot both legacy and EFI systems, I suggest you make that change in both places
[20:31] <cyphermox> normally you get the grub menu before you've booted in EFI.
[20:31] <cyphermox> *because
[20:32] <eddiedean> I'll do that, cyphermox, thanks a lot :)))
[20:54] <cyphermox> np
[22:04] <eddiedean> cyphermox are you around?
[22:09] <eddiedean> Can't get to work ubiquity as I want. It's like no other locale exists. I switch to spanish and nothing changes. If I hit 'Try', it loads the live in spanish, but if I hit Install, the installer is in english -> http://imgur.com/SXdfFcx
[22:09] <eddiedean> In my isolinux loader I have the parameters 'maybe-ubiquity' and 'locale=es_ES'
[22:09] <eddiedean> Any help would be appreciated :)