[07:16] <NRWlion> good morning
[13:51] <NRWlion> hi there
[14:28] <NRWlion> pleia2: ping
[16:14] <NRWlion> akgraner are you there?
[16:14] <akgraner> about to walk out the door ...have to return a rental car
[16:15] <NRWlion> sorry didnt know ^^ dont let me interrupt you ^^ cu later
[17:32] <s-fox> Hello.
[18:48] <Cheesehead> s-fox: Hello
[18:48] <s-fox> Hello Cheesehead
[18:50]  * Cheesehead scrolls back to see if discussion went anywhere after he left
[18:51] <Cheesehead> Let's see...blah...blah. Ah, yes: Best practices, lessons learned, share among Ubuntu communities. I think that's where we left off?
[18:52] <s-fox> It did not.
[18:52] <s-fox> Correct.
[18:53] <Cheesehead> So I suppose what we're looking for from the Forums Council is: What's your secret to success? and What do you discuss to improve?
[18:53] <Cheesehead> I know that's quite vague.
[18:53] <Cheesehead> We don;t know enough to be specific yet.
[18:54] <s-fox> Our success? I think it the team of moderators that support the council.
[18:55] <NRWlion> evening!
[18:55] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: evening!
[18:55] <NRWlion> hey cheese how is / was your day ;)?
[18:56] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Well, it's just past noon, so much is yet to come. So far, quite well.
[18:56] <Cheesehead> Glad you came in. Just talking to s-fox
[18:56] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: sorry?
[18:56] <s-fox> We are also not tolerant of users violating our rules, we are happy to remove any user who is disruptive.  The community should not suffer because of a single individual.
[18:57] <Cheesehead> s-fox: I do appreciate that when I cruise the forums.
[18:57] <NRWlion> hey s-fox my mentor ^^ just fill me in pls
[18:57] <Cheesehead> My question to s-fox :So I suppose what we're looking for from the Forums Council is: What's your secret to success? and  What do you discuss to improve?
[18:57] <s-fox> I would like to see the relationship between canonical and the forum council improved.
[18:58] <NRWlion> s-fox need some minutes of your time if possible
[18:59] <NRWlion> but not important
[18:59] <Cheesehead> s-fox: How about skills or abilities or attitudes in moderators? Or non-moderator frequent participants? What does the council look for in a good moderator, and are there improvements you wish for?
[19:00] <Cheesehead> (Wow, *that* question confused me, and I wrote it)
[19:01] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: ping me if needed ... i switch to background mode and "re-invent" myself here
[19:01] <s-fox> The selection process is quite involved. I will explain...
[19:01] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Certainly. Thanks for letting me know.
[19:03] <Cheesehead> s-fox: I have read the wiki pages on forims governance and getting involved (so you need not repeat)
[19:05] <s-fox> The forum council request that the forum moderators nominate others for moderator status. The staff then discuss the pro's and con's of the user.  This is usually focussed on technical merit, but also the softer human aspects.  Previous interactions are quite important, posting style and of course a clean record on the forum.  After a week or so of discussion the forum council then decide which users to approach, based on recommendati
[19:05] <s-fox> from the existing moderators.  Sometimes we will focus on users located in a particular timezone more favourably than others.
[19:05] <s-fox> The council vote on the recommendations, needing a majority for someone to be asked.
[19:07] <s-fox> The council also occasionally request that the moderators nominate users who are active in certain areas of the forum.  For example the last set of moderators we added, we were particularly interested in users who frequent the community cafe.
[19:07] <s-fox> We added 2 to monitor that section in particular.
[19:09]  * NRWlion will be monitoring the leadership section of the forum ;)
[19:09] <Cheesehead> Thanks, NRWlion
[19:10] <s-fox> Do you have additional question Cheesehead ?
[19:11] <Cheesehead> s-fox: Is there any recognition or action if a moderator loses interest and drifts away, or burns out, or otherwise significantly decreases particiaption?
[19:12] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: how should a moderator recognize this? if not speicially trained?
[19:12] <s-fox> We annually ask all the moderators and administrators to express if they still have an interest in continuing to serve the community
[19:13] <Cheesehead> s-fox: That's a neat solution. Any idea how it came to be?
[19:13] <s-fox> It has always been so.
[19:15] <Cheesehead> You mentioned communication with Canonical. Are you willing to elaborate in this forum?
[19:15] <s-fox> We also encourage people to say when they are away for periods of time. For example I was away in Asia for quite a period and my internet access was intermittent at best.
[19:16]  * Cheesehead apologises for stepping on s-fox's toes
[19:16] <s-fox> I do not understand your question Cheesehead
[19:17] <Cheesehead> You mentioned that the relatonship between forums and C. can be improved. Can we discuss the problem for a moment?
[19:19] <s-fox> Canonical are aware of the problem, I am not at liberty to say more. I apologise.
[19:19] <Cheesehead> s-fox: I understand.
[19:21] <s-fox> Do you have additional questions Cheesehead ?
[19:21] <Cheesehead> A couple. Typing now. (Thank you for your time!)
[19:22] <Cheesehead> When new moderators or admins enter their role, is their any training (skills, systems, etc) you ask them to do? Or wish you had the resources to provide?
[19:23] <s-fox> We have several resources at hand that we instruct them to go over and if needed ask further questions.
[19:24] <Cheesehead> What kind of support (if any) do older moderators offer to new moderators?
[19:26] <s-fox> The new moderator is free to ask any question and the team respond in reasonable time.
[19:26] <Cheesehead> s-fox: Thanks for answering my questions. You have exhausted my list.
[19:27] <s-fox> Now I have a question for you Cheesehead
[19:27] <s-fox> Why are you asking me these questions? To what purpose? Where are the answers going? What do you wish to learn?
[19:28] <Cheesehead> Great question (stretching fingers for the reply)
[19:28]  * NRWlion laughs ^^
[19:28] <NRWlion> i do know ;)
[19:28] <Cheesehead> The forums seems to be a very successful community
[19:28] <Cheesehead> What lessons can we learn from it's success?
[19:28] <Cheesehead> What practices or lessons can we share with other UBuntu communities?
[19:29] <NRWlion> hey there!
[19:29] <Cheesehead> What expertise to Forums gurus have that they don't even know others want to learn?
[19:29] <Cheesehead> We don't learn those answers unless we ask.
[19:29] <Cheesehead> s-fox: does that answer some of the question?
[19:31] <s-fox> And where is this information going?
[19:31] <Cheesehead> Specific responses? Just into the IRC log.
[19:32] <Cheesehead> Aggregate responses and lessons learned? Into the IRC training sessions, the leadership handbooks, UDS sessions, and perhaps a few other products.
[19:32] <s-fox> Okay.
[19:33] <Cheesehead> s-fox: Did I answer the question?
[19:34] <s-fox> Yes.
[19:34]  * Cheesehead breathes a sigh of relief.
[19:34]  * s-fox goes back to administrating over 1.4 million users.
[19:34] <NRWlion> then i have one ;) what purposes does the forum section have?
[19:35] <Cheesehead> Early in this process, that is yet to be seen.
[19:35] <Cheesehead> s-fox: THANK YOU for your time and help.
[19:35] <s-fox> Your group requested we create it, we went out of our way to do it. It is still unused.
[19:36] <NRWlion> s-fox: i will take controll of the forumssection ;)
[19:36] <Cheesehead> s-fox: We are still developing the threads that will go into it. It will fill soon.
[19:36] <s-fox> Okay Cheesehead .
[19:37] <Cheesehead> Indeed, if time, I have about three threads to put in there today...
[19:38] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: mail it to me ... i have some freetime
[19:38] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Sure
[19:38] <NRWlion> adress comes with pm
[19:38] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: You asked a question about 20 minutes ago: how should a moderator recognize this? if not speicially trained?
[19:38] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: You asked a question about 20 minutes ago: how should a moderator recognize this? if not speicially trained?
[19:39] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: ;) that was a question for s-fox
[19:39] <Cheesehead> Ah.
[19:40] <Cheesehead> First forum thread: Discussion about the skills list https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US
[19:41] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: on it
[19:41] <Cheesehead> Since discussion has slowed on the document, that will generate another burst of discussion from others.
[19:42] <Cheesehead> I'm thinking copy-and-paste the text instead of linking to the document. That will prevent erroneous editing.
[19:42] <Cheesehead> NRWlion: Thank you!
[19:42] <NRWlion> simply copy/paste?
[19:42] <NRWlion> copy that
[19:42] <NRWlion> done in 2'
[19:43] <NRWlion> ;)
[19:44] <Cheesehead> Second forum thread will be a request for trainers and participants in the IRC workshops. I'll write that one.
[19:45] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: ;)
[20:11] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: just an info: having some difficulties in formating the thread, but i am on it
[20:12] <Cheesehead> Problem copying from GoogleDocs?
[20:14] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: nope problems with my internet connections
[20:18] <pleia2> NRWlion: pong (I was sleeping earlier :))
[20:25] <s-fox> Hello pleia2 , did I congratulate you on your engagement?
[20:25] <pleia2> s-fox: probably :) but thanks again!
[20:39] <NRWlion> sorry pleia2 my connection is bad as hell
[20:40] <NRWlion> still working on it ...
[20:40] <NRWlion> did you reply on my last message?
[20:43] <pleia2> NRWlion: didn't see anything from you
[20:45] <NRWlion> pleia2: i am preparing to run for Ubuntu Beginners Team Membership and looking for supporters ... as we worked several issues of the UWN (not much but some ;) ) i thought you could ad a word about me and my work for uwn?
[20:46] <pleia2> NRWlion: I don't really give testimonials these days because of my positions on boards and councils
[20:46] <pleia2> nothing personal
[20:46] <NRWlion> no offense taken ;) just asking ;)
[21:19] <NRWlion> hey there
[21:19] <NRWlion> am back after a hackers attack on my router :(
[21:46] <NRWlion> DarkwingDuck: ping!
[21:47] <NRWlion> DarkwingDuck: pls approve my application for the launchpad team
[22:00] <DarkwingDuck> NRWlion: Give me a moment :D
[22:00] <DarkwingDuck> NRWlion: added. :)
[22:01] <NRWlion> DarkwingDuck: ;)
[22:01] <NRWlion> thx
[22:01] <NRWlion> now i am trying to create a pgp key to sign the code (again) :(


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[10:39] <norkakn> Hello good people, is there a way that I can get atl1c on 9.04 with 2.6.30?
[10:47] <apw> 2.6.30?
[10:49] <norkakn> Yeah, I have an acer timeline 3810t, and 2.6.30 fixes a lot of problems with it.  I installed it from the deb on kernel.ubuntu.com
[10:50] <apw> norkakn, is that supported in the karmic kernel?  might be worth trying the karmic kernel on there
[10:50] <apw> my expectation is that the karmic kernel would work ok on jaunty, no guarentees of course
[10:50] <norkakn> I think it is, how do I procure the karmic kernel?
[10:51] <smb> My best experience was somehow apw's ppa
[10:53] <smb> https://launchpad.net/~apw/+archive/daily
[10:54] <smb> apw, reminds me, if you got time, you could upload the latest and greatest up to now. ;-)
[10:54] <apw> smb, thats a good idea, its a bumper so it needs testing
[11:05] <norkakn> awe, well, it does the same thing that 2.6.31 from the mainline repo does, which is give me a big blank, black screen of nothingness
[11:16] <apw> norkakn, oh yeah you need to tell it not to use KMS
[11:16] <apw> i915.modeset=0 on the boot command line
[11:18] <norkakn> apw: thanks, trying now
[11:24] <norkakn> YES!
[11:24] <apw> norkakn, yay
[11:24] <norkakn> I'd tried the 31s before, but I didn't know about the KMS magic, thank you very much
[11:25] <apw> norkakn, np, its not at all obvious
[11:27] <norkakn> apw, I love this little machine, but nothing about it ever seems obvious.  If my computers begin to be able to sleep, my life will be complete
[11:27] <apw> suspedn not working then?
[11:27] <apw> worth trying with karmic, works pretty damn well today for me
[11:28] <norkakn> No, it is a known bug with the 3810T, no one seems sure if it is a BIOS bug or a Linux bug.
[11:28] <norkakn> I'll try it out on my desktop though
[11:39] <Notch-1> forgive me guys but i have this problem and i need to ask you: i have 2.6.28-15-generic on jaunty, now i need to recompile to change one small option, and i get <IP_ADDRESS>-generic.. this way i can't use the backports and restricted modules so how can i recompile those packege too OR change the kernel version to exactly match the official one?
[11:41] <Notch-1> there are a lot of tutorials, but i can't found a sigle one that solve this problem...
[11:45] <apw> Notch-1, if you are getting 2.6.28-10-generic you are using the wrong version of the source for the kernel
[11:49] <mjg59> apw: 2.6.28*.*10
[11:49] <Notch-1> i did apt-get install linux-source-2.6.28 ...
[11:49] <mjg59> apw: It's just a wrong EXTRAERSION
[11:49] <Notch-1> mjg59: yes, but i can't change it, look at man make-kpkg
[11:50] <Notch-1> i can only change revision and --append-to-version ...
[11:50] <apw> mjg59, oh yeah a . ... hrm
[11:50] <Notch-1> and the local version inside menuconfig, but i don't know this one
[11:50] <apw> Notch-1, that implies you used the wrong tools to build it
[11:50] <mjg59> apw: .10 will be the upstream stable point release EXTRAVERSION
[11:50] <apw> if you use debuild it ought to get it right for you
[11:51] <Notch-1> somebody told me that -15-generic it's ubuntu notation while .10 is standard notation...
[11:51] <apw> mjg59, yeah just didn't see it, saw what i thought it said not what it actually says
[11:51] <apw> Notch-1, yep thats true
[11:51]  * apw idly wonder what option you need to change and why
[11:52] <Notch-1> apw: what's debuild?
[11:52] <apw> its the tool for turning a source tree into a real binary .deb for installation
[11:52] <apw> and basically is how packages get made in ubuntu
[11:52] <Notch-1> ah fine
[11:53] <Notch-1> i can use it to change this extraversion?
[11:54] <Notch-1> anyway it seems that the package linux.source and the kernel i'm running are very different, how can i compile a kernel like the original one? what options/files are missing?
[11:54] <Notch-1> so i can install backports and restricted....
[11:55] <apw> the problem is if you change an option and that changes the ABI then you can't install backports and restricted safely even if it lets you do it
[11:55] <apw> hense my question as to the option you are changing
[11:55] <Notch-1> ah nice :D
[11:55] <Notch-1> it's the loop module
[11:55] <apw> those other packages are built agianst that specific kernel
[11:55] <apw> what you doing to it
[11:56] <Notch-1> recently it became included in the kernel, but for some reason me and other people need it at least as module...
[11:56] <apw> that would probabally just about be safe ABI wise
[11:57] <Notch-1> the are a lot of posts on the net, everybody bothered recompiling the kernel to get the system back to work... but i don't think it's a complete solution, without the ability lo use backports and restricted modules....
[11:57] <apw> i would get the source either from 'apt-get source linux' or from our git tree, checking out the tag for the version you need
[11:57] <apw> and then i'd change the config, and personally upload it to a PPA for building
[11:59]  * apw wonders if this is this aes loop thing that the maintainer won't simply change the name of to aesloop so that it can coexist with the normal loop module
[12:00] <apw> nor will they work with upstream to get it into the kernel
[12:00] <Notch-1> apw: i don't think it's just a name problem...
[12:01] <apw> as i recall its a philosphy issue, making life hard for everyone else problem
[12:01] <Notch-1> yes, but seems that noone need it upstrem so...
[12:01] <Notch-1> anyway, what if i just do make and replace the executable by hand?
[12:02] <Notch-1> no noone notice the new kernel... and i can install whatever i need... what do you think about that solution?
[12:03] <apw> as in the module?
[12:03] <apw> you should be able to build the module externally and just replace the loop one in the lib/modules
[12:03] <Notch-1> nono
[12:03] <apw> bah ignroe that
[12:03] <Notch-1> i mean the kernel
[12:03] <apw> i am losing my mind
[12:03] <Notch-1> :D
[12:04] <apw> you could do that, but it wouldn't be very pretty
[12:04] <apw> i would build your own version of the whole thing, with that module replaced
[12:04] <Notch-1> sure? :D
[12:04] <Notch-1> but i will still have the backport issue...
[12:05] <Notch-1> now i'm doing apt-get source linux-image-2.6.28-15-generic to see if this source are more similar to the original kernel... but i'm afraid :D
[12:07] <apw> as we know the abi change (and there will be one) is benign mostly, you should be able to make a like 2.6.28-15.NNaesloop1 kernel in a PPA which can then be installed and the backports etc still work with it
[12:08] <Notch-1> excuse me, what's a ppa? :P
[12:13] <apw> ppa is a personal package archive, which is like having your own ubuntu archive on the net
[12:15] <Notch-1> ah right, launchpad :D
[12:15] <Notch-1> have this features, now i remember thanks
[12:17] <apw> yeah launchpaddy thing
[15:12] <apw> Keybuk, are we expecting usplash to be absent with karmic tip?
[15:15] <Keybuk> yes
[15:16] <rtg> apw, did 'quiet' disappear from the grub line?
[15:16] <apw> rtg nope they are still there
[15:17] <apw> Keybuk, i assume there is a plan for the mess i the gap?
[15:17] <Keybuk> right
[15:17] <Keybuk> in fact, not having usplash is partially so we can see the mess we need to clean up
[16:36] <rtg> Keybuk, I've a server that won't mount a /dev/md0p1 partition at boot time. in fact, it borks the boot altogether if /home is mounted on this partition. what title should I use for the bug report that will catch your eye?
[16:36] <Keybuk> you're not the first person to say that
[16:37] <Keybuk> it breaks inside the initramfs, or breaks during normal boot?
[16:37] <rtg> Keybuk, can't tell. its got a bunch of udev messages
[16:38] <rtg> I think it must be during normal boot
[16:39] <Keybuk> ok great
[16:39] <Keybuk> you have it in front of you now?
[16:40] <rtg> Keybuk, that noisy hoover? of course not. its inconveniently off in another room
[16:40] <Keybuk> if you could boot it and try a few things, I'd appreciate it
[16:40] <Keybuk> boot with init=/bin/bash
[16:40] <Keybuk> and get the output of "blkid"
[16:40] <Keybuk> (just on its own)
[16:40] <rtg> Keybuk, can do. what would you like
[16:40] <rtg> ?
[16:41] <rtg> Keybuk, ok, back in a sec
[16:44] <rtg> Keybuk, ok, blkid shows /dev/md0p1 with a UUID and file system type of ext4 (but its not mounted even though its in /etc/fstab)
[16:44] <Keybuk> right
[16:44] <Keybuk> but, does it also show the same UUID for the underlying filesystem?
[16:46] <rtg> Keybuk, I'm not sure what you mean. it only shows 1 UUID
[16:46] <Keybuk> blkid only outputs one thing?
[16:46] <rtg> for that partition, yes
[16:47] <Keybuk> I don't understand
[16:47] <Keybuk> blkid should output lots of lines
[16:47] <rtg> and it does
[16:47] <Keybuk> ok, can you take a picture of them or something?
[16:48] <rtg> Keybuk, yep, gimme a bit
[16:48] <Keybuk> also mdadm -D /dev/md0 would be helpful
[16:53] <rtg> Keybuk, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/md0
[17:01] <Keybuk> rtg: great, and what's in /etc/fstab and /proc/self/mountinfo ?
[17:02] <rtg> on sec
[17:05] <rtg> Keybuk, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/md0/imgp0763.jpg
[17:06] <Keybuk> thanks
[17:06] <Keybuk> that's very useful
[17:06] <Keybuk> so, I know what's happening but not how to fix it yet
[17:07] <Keybuk> for some reason, it's showing the UUID and filesystem type, etc. for sdb1 as it is for md0p1
[17:07] <rtg> is it because mdadm isn't getting run?
[17:07] <Keybuk> and sdb1 is winning
[17:07] <Keybuk> so it tries to mount that, but fails
[17:07] <Keybuk> mdadm must be being run, your array is visible, up and enabled
[17:08] <rtg> I guess for now I can just mount it later in the process.
[17:08] <Keybuk> yeah
[17:08] <Keybuk> I need to debug this a bit more really
[17:08] <Keybuk> I've not seen these md0p1 things before
[17:09] <Keybuk> I didn't even know you *could* partition raid arrays
[17:09] <Keybuk> usually I see /dev/md0 ;)
[17:09] <Keybuk> I think this is a udev bug
[17:09] <Keybuk> but it may also be a blkid bug, since blkid shouldn't be reporting raid members as filesystems
[17:10] <rtg> Keybuk, its been awhile since i set this up, but I beleive partitioning was part of the setup documentation
[17:10] <Keybuk> right
[17:10] <Keybuk> if you fancy an experiment
[17:10] <Keybuk> try downgrading udev back to 146
[17:11] <rtg> can do.
[17:11] <Keybuk> but don't just replace the package
[17:11] <Keybuk> because that won't work so well
[17:11] <Keybuk> instead grab the deb, and get the udevd and udevadm binaries out of it
[17:11] <Keybuk> and put those in place
[17:11] <Keybuk> (back up the 147 ones)
[17:11] <Keybuk> and see if that makes a difference
[17:11] <rtg> k, first I have go unwire this thing to get it to boot normally. how does one stop grub2 these days?
[17:12] <Keybuk> hold down shift
[17:12] <rtg> wasn't it the shift key?
[17:12] <rtg> hmm, no joy there
[17:13] <Keybuk> you couldn't get grub2?
[17:13] <Keybuk> or udev didn't help?
[17:19] <rtg> Keybuk, I can't get grub2 to stop during the boot process so that I could modify the kernel command line, so I edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg and rebooted. now I'm kind of stuck 'cause / is mounted readonly.
[17:19] <Keybuk> mount -o rw,remount /
[17:20] <rtg> Keybuk, yeah, I just came back in here to read the man page :)
[17:20] <Keybuk> (just be sure to mount -o ro,remount / or SysRq-U before rebooting :p)
[17:24] <rtg> Keybuk, udev 146 has already been obsoleted from the archive. do you have an amd64 copy lying around?
[17:41] <Keybuk> #  The default value of the child_runs_first scheduler sysctl knob has been changed to "false." This causes the parent process to continue running after a fork() rather than yielding immediately to the child process. See this article for more information on 2.6.32 scheduler changes.
[17:41] <Keybuk> oh
[17:41] <Keybuk> sigh
[17:41] <Keybuk> happy days
[17:41] <Keybuk> now we see all the race conditions that people think they fixed, suddenly break again
[17:41] <Keybuk> admittedly, their fault for not actually fixing it, but hey :p
[17:42] <rtg> Keybuk, is that the root of the udev issue?
[17:43] <Keybuk> huh, no
[17:43] <Keybuk> sorry, was just musing on the 2.6.32 merge window
[17:43] <Keybuk> rtg: you can get udev 146 from LP still
[17:44] <Keybuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/udev/146-1
[17:44] <Keybuk> there should be a "karmic amd64" link there
[17:46] <rtg> Keybuk, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30822986/udev_146-1_amd64.deb
[17:46] <Keybuk> there you go :)
[17:47] <rtg> Keybuk, replace both udevadm and udevd ?
[17:47] <Keybuk> yes
[17:49] <Keybuk> yay
[17:49] <Keybuk> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/udev/146-1
[17:49] <Keybuk> err
[17:49] <Keybuk> proc-connector-add-event-for-process-becoming-session-leader.patch
[17:49] <Keybuk> is in akpm's big list of patches
[17:53] <rtg> Keybuk, no difference in nehavior. /home.md0p1 is still not auto-mounted from the fstab. uit works if I put 'mount -a' in /etc/rc.local
[17:53] <rtg> with -146 (that is)
[17:53] <Keybuk> ok
[17:53] <Keybuk> that's good to know
[18:03] <Keybuk> rtg: can you check something for me
[18:03] <Keybuk> ls /sys/block/sdb
[18:04] <Keybuk> do you have sdb1 in there?
[18:04] <Keybuk> if so
[18:04] <Keybuk> fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[18:04] <rtg> root@tyler-b:~# ls /sys/block/sdb
[18:04] <rtg> alignment_offset  capability  device     holders  queue  removable  sdb1  slaves  subsystem  uevent
[18:04] <rtg> bdi               dev         ext_range  power    range  ro         size  stat    trace
[18:05] <rtg> root@tyler-b:~# fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[18:05] <rtg> Disk /dev/sdb: 500.1 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>16 bytes
[18:05] <rtg> 2 heads, 4 sectors/track, 122096646 cylinders
[18:05] <rtg> Units = cylinders of 8 * 512 = 4096 bytes
[18:05] <rtg> Disk identifier: 0xe3da5fd4
[18:05] <rtg>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[18:05] <rtg> /dev/sdb1               1   488386496<PHONE_NUMBER>   83  Linux
[18:05] <Keybuk> aha!
[18:05] <Keybuk> *but* your mdadm says that "/dev/sdb" is the RAID member
[18:05] <Keybuk> not /dev/sdb1
[18:05] <rtg> right
[18:05] <Keybuk> what does blkid -p /dev/sdb say?
[18:05] <rtg> root@tyler-b:~# blkid -p /dev/sdb
[18:05] <rtg> /dev/sdb: VERSION="0.90.0" UUID="8d408524-0506-f40d-4659-8b40d611b84e" TYPE="linux_raid_member" USAGE="raid"
[18:06] <Keybuk> AHA!
[18:06] <rtg> doesn't mdadm put some crap in fron of the partition table?
[18:06] <Keybuk> apparently not
[18:08] <Keybuk> maybe mdadm is putting its metadata in the MBR?
[18:08] <Keybuk> (is bcmwl a bit busted in α6 btw?)
[18:09] <rtg> dunno about bcmwl. it should be under jockey control
[18:09] <rtg> is there room in the MBR? it doesn't sound like a reasonable place for it
[18:11] <Keybuk> no, no idea
[18:11] <Keybuk> udevinfo -q all -n sdb
[18:11] <Keybuk> udevinfo -q all -n sdb1
[18:11] <Keybuk> udevinfo -q all -n md0
[18:11] <Keybuk> udevinfo -q all -n md0p1
[18:11] <Keybuk> would be handy
[18:11] <rtg> Keybuk, is that from a dev package?
[18:11] <Keybuk> sorry
[18:11] <Keybuk> udevadm info
[18:11] <Keybuk> fingers still haven't learned ;)
[18:12] <rtg> hmm, spewage. I'll collect this in a file
[18:14] <Keybuk> this is a RAID 0 isn't it
[18:15] <rtg> Keybuk, yes, 4 spindles
[18:15] <Keybuk> I have a hypothesis
[18:15] <rtg> Keybuk, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/md0/udev-info.txt
[18:16] <Keybuk> thanks
[18:17] <Keybuk> ok
[18:17] <Keybuk> well there's a couple of interesting bits there
[18:17] <Keybuk> where did you read this documentation about partitioning your RAID like that?
[18:17] <rtg> Keybuk, hmm, probably wikipedia. lemme look
[18:18] <Keybuk> ok
[18:18] <Keybuk> that's all I need for now
[18:18] <Keybuk> bbl
[18:18] <rtg> Keybuk, k, I'm travelling to PDX starting in a couple hours


[01:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[01:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build
[01:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2284 Preparing packages
[02:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2284 Successfully built
[03:05] <michi> t
[08:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 QA Signoff: Approved
[08:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2281 QA Signoff: Approved
[10:10] <pete-woods> trainguards: anyone with package approval rights got time to publish this one? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 thanks!
[10:11] <robru> sil2100: around? ^
[10:11] <sil2100> pete-woods: o/
[10:11] <sil2100> Yeah
[10:11] <pete-woods> :D
[10:13] <sil2100> pete-woods: just out of curiosity - why is the gettext build-dep going away?
[10:13] <pete-woods> in-case you're wondering about the libusermetrics packaging changes, basically coverage reports just weren't working before, hence the new deps on gcovr and lcov
[10:13] <pete-woods> and it's using the new intltool macro for translations, instead of xgettext
[10:14] <pete-woods> we want "everyone" (actually it's just this package) to stop using those macros
[10:14] <pete-woods> so we can delete them
[10:14] <sil2100> ACK ;)
[10:14] <pete-woods> next step will be to add some more tests to cmake-extras
[10:15] <pete-woods> given how critical a part of our build it is
[10:15] <pete-woods> (we saw how the gmock breakage caused a bunch of work for people)
[10:15] <pete-woods> and in terms of valgrind, we weren't using it
[10:15] <pete-woods> so it seemed a pointless dependency
[10:16] <pete-woods> and doxygen is always built anyway
[10:16] <pete-woods> so just a but of a spring clean there
[10:16] <pete-woods> sil2100 ^ hope that clears it all up :)
[10:19] <sil2100> Yeah, all makes sense now ;)
[10:19] <sil2100> Would be nice if you could document all those changes in the changelog next time
[10:20] <sil2100> Like, it's nice when someone looks back in history and knows 'ah, this is why it's gone now'
[10:20] <sil2100> Anyway, publishing
[10:20] <sil2100> Just one quick check
[10:21] <sil2100> pete-woods: hm
[10:21] <pete-woods> Yeah, that's totally fair
[10:21] <pete-woods> The message is rubbish
[10:21] <sil2100> pete-woods: ok, I think there's one issue here
[10:21] <pete-woods> Okay, all ears
[10:22] <sil2100> pete-woods: not sure if it's still a problem, but I see a component mismatch - libusermetrics is in main while lcov is in universe
[10:22] <sil2100> At least in the past it was an issue
[10:22] <sil2100> I suppose these rulse did not change
[10:22] <pete-woods> I thought that was okay these days
[10:23] <pete-woods> As long is it was build time only
[10:23] <seb128> it's ok to have build-depends in universe if they don't create a runtime depends
[10:24] <sil2100> ACK
[10:24] <sil2100> Yeah, I knew there was this reorg that changed stuff
[10:24] <sil2100> seb128: thanks for clearing it up!
[10:24] <seb128> yw!
[10:25] <sil2100> I guess all the new deps don't cause new runtime deps so it's all good
[10:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Publishing packages
[10:35] <pete-woods> :D
[10:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[10:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 xenial/mcloud: Failed to add changelog message
[10:47] <michi> :(
[10:51] <robru> michi: "series: xenial". looks like pete-woods is taking care of it, zesty+xenial build should work
[10:52] <pete-woods> yeah, I was just trying to make the build early, as the zesty publush for the required version of cmake-extras has only just happened
[10:52] <pete-woods> so thought I'd try x only
[10:52] <pete-woods> clearly a bad idea
[10:52] <michi> Ah.
[10:52] <robru> yeah you can't go backwards with the version numbers in your debian/changelog
[10:53] <michi> Probably a good thing too. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have to responsible for the consequences of my own actions ;)
[10:55] <pete-woods> michi: any chance you could look through the MRs for https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275
[10:55] <michi> Sure.
[10:55] <pete-woods> and do any remaining reviews?
[10:55] <pete-woods> I think there are a couple more you could reasonably claim
[10:55] <pete-woods> I need to start bugging people about the ones outside our team
[10:56] <michi> OK. I did James’s and mine already. Yesterday. If I’m not going to step on anyone’s toes by top-approving changes to projects that I have nothing to do with, no problem. But I don’t want to upset anyone.
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Proposed pocket (zesty/cmake-extras, zesty/libusermetrics). Release pocket (xenial/cmake-extras, xenial/libusermetrics)
[10:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Ready to build
[10:56] <pete-woods> awesome
[10:56] <pete-woods> I can try building the silo properly now
[10:58] <michi> pete-woods: One problem is that the Jenkins slaves can’t see the new cmake-extras yet.
[10:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[10:58] <pete-woods> michi: they should be able to as of about 30 seconds ago
[10:58] <michi> OK, I’ll run a manual upgrade on the slaves then.
[10:58] <pete-woods> " https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Proposed pocket (zesty/cmake-extras, zesty/libusermetrics)."
[10:58] <michi> Give me a few minutes.
[10:58] <pete-woods> I'm running the silo build now, anyway
[10:59] <pete-woods> so we should also have that confirmation
[11:00] <michi> pete-woods: slaves are upgrading the chroots now.
[11:01] <michi> No, didn’t instally any new cmake-extras.
[11:01] <michi> Probably too early.
[11:02] <pete-woods> michi: does jenkins not build from proposed?
[11:02] <pete-woods> (on zesty)
[11:02] <michi> No, not at the moment.
[11:02] <pete-woods> I think that's what the silos do
[11:02] <michi> It’s on the todo list.
[11:02] <pete-woods> fair enough
[11:02] <michi> But our Arm slaves weren’t working until a few hours ago.
[11:02] <pete-woods> you'll be waiting a while, then
[11:02] <michi> So I didn’t want to upset the apple cart and further.
[11:02] <michi> Right.
[11:02] <michi> :(
[11:02] <pete-woods> as -proposed is taking a long time at the moment
[11:03] <michi> Well, we won’t get this through Jenkins until after the cmake-extras updates make it into the release pocket.
[11:03] <michi> Or rather, the archives.
[11:03] <michi> I can top-approve regardless if the changes look good.
[11:03] <michi> It’ll pass in a silo, but not in jenkins.
[11:08] <michi> pete-woods: I can’t top-approve the mcloud changes.
[11:09] <michi> pete-woods: You’ll have to ping Gary.
[11:09] <michi> I’ve done all the others, I believe.
[11:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Currently building (xenial/hud, xenial/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/keeper, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/mediascanner2, xenial/pay-service, xenial/policykit-unity8, xenial/thumbnailer, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scopes-shell). Dependency wait (zesty/hud, zesty/indicator-display, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/keeper, ze
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Currently building (xenial/hud, xenial/pay-service, xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity-scopes-shell). Dependency wait (zesty/hud, zesty/indicator-display, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/keeper, zesty/libqtdbusmock, zesty/libqtdbustest, zesty/mcloud, zesty/mediascanner2, zesty/pay-service, zesty/persistent-cache-cpp, zesty/policykit-unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/storage-fra
[11:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Currently building (xenial/thumbnailer, xenial/unity-scopes-shell). Dependency wait (zesty/hud, zesty/indicator-display, zesty/indicator-network, zesty/keeper, zesty/libqtdbusmock, zesty/libqtdbustest, zesty/mcloud, zesty/mediascanner2, zesty/pay-service, zesty/persistent-cache-cpp, zesty/policykit-unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/storage-framework, zesty/thumbnailer,
[12:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Currently building (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Destination version missing from changelog (zesty/libqtdbusmock). Failed to build (xenial/hud, xenial/mcloud, xenial/storage-framework, zesty/mcloud, zesty/pay-service, zesty/storage-framework, zesty/unity-scope-click). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/hud). Pending binary packages (zesty/mediascanner2, zesty/persistent-cache-
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[12:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/telephony-service)
[12:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[12:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 zesty/telephony-service: debdiff failed: see log for details
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alex-abreu, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1640 Cancelled build (xenial/content-hub). Ready to build (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub)
[13:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 xenial/indicator-network: debdiff failed: see log for details
[13:03] <pete-woods> trainguards: hi guys. could someone delete mcloud and storage-framework from this silo PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2275/+packages)
[13:03] <pete-woods> thanks!
[13:03] <pete-woods> they are FTBFS on trunk atm, and I haven't got time to fix them
[13:04] <robru> pete-woods: well it doesn't bother me if the failed builds sit there until you fix them later...
[13:04] <pete-woods> they aren't my packages
[13:04] <robru> or you mean you're removing the MPs entirely?
[13:04] <pete-woods> yeah
[13:04] <robru> ah k, sorry, one sec
[13:04] <pete-woods> just giving in on them
[13:04] <pete-woods> will chase upstream to fix them
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- koza, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2004 Ready to build (zesty/bluez). Successfully built (vivid/bluez, xenial/bluez)
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2024 Ready to build (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (vivid/unity8, xenial/unity8)
[13:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1924 Failed to build (vivid/account-polld-plugins-go, xenial/account-polld-plugins-go). Ready to build (zesty/account-polld, zesty/account-polld-plugins-go). Successfully built (vivid/account-polld, xenial/account-polld)
[13:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1889 Ready to build (zesty/aethercast). Successfully built (vivid/aethercast, xenial/aethercast)
[13:11] <robru> nobody build anything for the next 15 minutes, I broke the PPA dependencies
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1990 Ready to build (zesty/indicator-display). Successfully built (vivid/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-display)
[13:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2053 Ready to build (zesty/gallery-app). Successfully built (vivid/gallery-app, xenial/gallery-app)
[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN Kaleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1873 Ready to build (zesty/webbrowser-app). Successfully built (vivid/webbrowser-app, xenial/webbrowser-app)
[13:20] <oSoMoN> vigo, everything ok so far with https://trello.com/c/MG9d2S7R/3856-2243-2243-webbrowser-app-osomon ?
[13:21] <vigo> oSoMoN, hi!
[13:21] <vigo> I just noticed that this bug still reproduces after installing the silo
[13:21] <vigo> Bug #1637285
[13:23] <vigo> oSoMoN, in this laptop with unity7 opens espnfc.com correctly but the one with the silo installed still connects to http://m.espn
[13:25] <oSoMoN> vigo, you might need to clear the cookies db and cache for the fix to take effect: rm -rf ~/.cache/webbrowser-app/Cache2 ~/.local/share/webbrowser-app/cookies.sqlite*
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/telephony-service)
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bdmurray, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2286 Preparing packages
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bdmurray, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2286 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[13:27]  * vigo trying
[13:28] <vigo> oSoMoN, perfect now, thanks :D
[13:28] <vigo> I can land it in few minutes ;)
[13:28] <oSoMoN> you’re welcome!
[13:28] <oSoMoN> great
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scope-click). Successfully built (xenial/hud, xenial/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/keeper, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/libqtdbustest, xenial/mediascanner2, xenial/pay-service, xenial/persistent-cache-cpp, xenial/policykit-unity8, xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/thumbnailer, xenial/ubuntu-app-launc
[13:44] <vigo> oSoMoN, landed :)
[13:48] <oSoMoN> vigo, thanks!
[13:48] <vigo> yw
[13:49] <robru> approved you mean
[13:50] <oSoMoN> yeah, approved
[13:50] <oSoMoN> I wish landing was that easy :)
[13:50] <oSoMoN> sil2100, may I abuse your core-dev superpowers to ask you to publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 please?
[13:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[13:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2256 Release pocket
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Laney, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2262 Diff missing (zesty/double-conversion, zesty/gyoto). Ready to build (zesty/qtdeclarative-opensource-src-gles). Release pocket (zesty/qtdeclarative-opensource-src)
[14:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (zesty/telephony-service).  Successfully built (xenial/telephony-service)
[14:25] <robru> boiko: ok sorry about that, fix pushed, try again in ~15 minutes
[14:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2281 Publishing packages
[14:26] <salem_> jibel, just left you a comment on trello: we disabled the tests because nodes are too slow to run the tests. And apparently silo 2238 has the same issue.
[14:33] <jibel> salem_, okay but you cannot do that, arm64 is a completely supported platform. The tests shouldn't fail because it's the nodes are slow, or if it's a timeout increase it, idk but disabling the tests is just not something right
[14:33] <jibel> salem_, 2238 landed and I don't see that tests are disabled in the mp
[14:36] <salem_> jibel, 2283 I mean.. see the messages above
[14:36] <jibel> ah ok
[14:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2281 Proposed pocket (zesty/unity-scope-click). Release pocket (xenial/unity-scope-click)
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[14:45] <robru> what
[14:47] <robru> nm
[14:47] <oSoMoN> ogra_, may I request your help publishing https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 ? it’ll require a core-dev to do it as there are packaging changes (already reviewed and approved by Ken)
[14:50] <ogra_> yuo guys really need to fix the CSS "Copy Packages to Des" in 3cm tall letters :)
[14:50] <ogra_> *click*
[14:50] <ogra_> done ...
[14:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Publishing packages
[14:51] <robru> ogra_: :-P
[15:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scope-click). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/indicator-network). Successfully built (xenial/hud, xenial/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/keeper, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/libqtdbustest, xenial/mediascanner2, xenial/pay-service, xenial/persistent-cache-cpp, xenial/policykit-unity8, xenial/qtmir, xe
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2243 Proposed pocket (zesty/webbrowser-app). Release pocket (xenial/webbrowser-app)
[15:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[15:23] <oSoMoN> ogra_, thanks!
[15:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Preparing packages
[15:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Successfully built
[15:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2287 Preparing packages
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Successfully built
[15:48] <bfiller> jibel, robru: do the silo arm64 tests run on real hw or vm? we are having lots of issues with arm64 specifically and don't know who to talk to..
[15:48] <bfiller> salem_, ^^^
[15:49] <dobey> bfiller: autopkgtests or the package builds?
[15:49] <bfiller> dobey, package builds
[15:50] <dobey> bfiller: i think virtualized but host is arm64 hardware
[15:51] <jibel> bfiller, if it's running in lp during the build it's virtualized I think
[15:52] <bfiller> dobey, any idea how many instances are running? we're seeing tests timeout only on that arch and not always the same tests, wondering if the virtualization is just too slow or overloaded
[15:52] <dobey> bfiller: https://launchpad.net/builders
[15:52] <jibel> bfiller, https://launchpad.net/builders/
[15:52] <jibel> :)
[15:52] <bfiller> :)
[15:52] <dobey> there's a huge queue, so they are probably pretty busy
[15:53] <dobey> but our silos are getting priority over a lot of that queue i think
[15:53] <dobey> oh, looks like there is a gcc7 based test rebuild of zesty going on
[15:54] <bfiller> looks like only ~half the number of builders for arm though compared to amd64 and i386
[15:55] <jibel> it started a week ago
[15:55] <jibel> the test rebuild I mean
[15:55] <dobey> bfiller: yeah, we have a lot more intel hardware
[15:56] <bfiller> jibel, wonder if that is affecting our tests... we can't reproduce the failures when running locally
[15:56] <dobey> bfiller: powerpc only has 16 builders :)
[15:56] <jibel> but yeah most of the builds on arm64 are from ubuntu/test-rebuild-20161202
[15:57] <jibel> bfiller, it's possible if the host if a bit overloaded
[15:57] <jibel> is*
[15:57] <dobey> bfiller: not sure what your tests are like, but sounds like maybe they need higher timeout values, or other fixes perhaps
[15:57] <jibel> bfiller, do a test rebuild of the archive on your machine and run your tests ;)
[15:58] <dobey> well there are easier ways to simulate cpu load locally
[15:58] <jibel> bfiller, the tests shouldn't fail depending on the load
[15:58] <pete-woods> bfiller: there's a tool called "stress" that can help reproduce the failures
[15:58] <pete-woods> You run it on your machine and it loads it up heavily
[15:58] <bfiller> pete-woods, interesting didn't know about that
[15:58] <pete-woods> Then run the unit test in a loop until they fail
[15:58] <jibel> bfiller, any trace of a timeout in the logs?
[15:59] <bfiller> jibel, I know the tests shouldn't fail on the load - we have increased the timeouts but that didn't seem to help
[15:59] <bfiller> jibel, yes I believe the logs had a lot of timeouts
[15:59] <bfiller> salem_, isn't that correct? ^^
[15:59] <dobey> bfiller: increased the timeouts how much? 10 minutes?
[16:00] <bfiller> dobey, not that high maybe we should
[16:00] <bfiller> dobey, I think 30 seconds or something
[16:00] <dobey> bfiller: if it's anything less than 1 minute, then it's not high enough
[16:00] <jibel> bfiller, try with something much higher
[16:00] <pete-woods> A minute is probably more sensible
[16:01] <jibel> bfiller, it's a loaded arm64 platform and maybe there is IO contention too and it may become pretty slow
[16:01] <bfiller> we can bump it way up to like 10 minutes and see if there is a diff just to know
[16:06] <pete-woods> Problem with 10 minutes is your failure may only come back after several hours
[16:06] <pete-woods> Which is hardly great for development
[16:07] <dobey> yeah, 1 minute is where i'd default to. and if your tests can't pass with that timeout in our build farm, you probably have other issues with your tests
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- renatofilho, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2287 Successfully built
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2265 QA Signoff: Approved
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2265 Publishing packages
[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Pending binary packages (zesty/ubuntu-system-settings). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-system-settings)
[16:31] <salem_> bfiller, I will try to increase the timeout then.
[16:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[16:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2265 Proposed pocket (zesty/indicator-transfer). Release pocket (xenial/indicator-transfer)
[16:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Successfully built
[17:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Preparing packages
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh michi pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Successfully built
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon tiagosh boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, zesty/dialer-app)
[18:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dobey, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2265 Release pocket
[19:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2129 Currently building (xenial/oxide-qt). Diff missing (xenial/snapd). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, zesty/indicator-keyboard, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/libertine). Ready to build (zesty/oxide-qt, zesty/snapd). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-keyboard, xenial/libertine, xenial/ubuntu-touch-session, xenial/url-dispatcher, zesty/ubuntu-touc
[19:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- morphis, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2279 QA Signoff: Approved
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bschaefer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2209 Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/mir, xenial/miral, xenial/unity-system-compositor, zesty/mir, zesty/miral, zesty/unity-system-compositor)
[20:56] <oSoMoN> trainguards: what does "unsatisfiable" mean in the context of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/zesty/update_excuses.html#webbrowser-app ? is there any action required from my part?
[20:57] <dobey> oSoMoN: it means webbrowser-app has a binary dependency on a package which apparently is not installable any more in zesty
[20:58] <dobey> oSoMoN: so it looks like that package depends on something which makes it uninstallable currently; probably you don't need to do anything but wait
[20:59] <oSoMoN> dobey, ok, thanks
[20:59] <oSoMoN> I’ll update my zesty chroot and check out why it’s not installable
[20:59] <dobey> oSoMoN: if it's still messed up on monday, maybe need to bug a coredev and see what's up there
[20:59] <oSoMoN> ack
[21:00] <dobey> oSoMoN: well there is a huge glibc/gcc/mesa transition going on in proposed
[21:00] <dobey> so probably many reasons it might not be installable whenever britney last ran
[21:00] <oSoMoN> got it
[21:00] <oSoMoN> many moving pieces
[21:01] <dobey> yeah, lots of trains smashing into each other :)
[21:05] <oSoMoN> it appears to be installable in an up-to-date zesty chroot, so hopefully the next britney run will go through
[22:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2263 Diff missing


[12:39] <qwebirc72933> Dears ,,,
[12:39] <qwebirc72933> any one can help me to how setup my ubuntu pptp vpn ?
[13:35] <jim_from_pa> hi, having trouble with grub after installing Win7
[13:54] <joaopinto> jim_from_pa, the support channel is #ubuntu


[16:00] <mhall119> If anyone can join us to talk about Unity 8 documentation, we're live at UOS http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1505/meeting/22447/user-documentation-for-unity-8/
[16:42] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: ping?
[16:45] <dsmythies> Hi Gunnar.
[16:46] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Hi!
[16:47] <GunnarHj> Sorry for jumping in very late. I got the automation idea, but missed what was said before that.
[16:51] <dsmythies> I guess the text will be available on irc logs web pages a few minutes after the hour. however... you didn't miss much. It seems vaque to me. and it almost sounds like heading more towards the "manual" project that Kevin is invovled with that current docs.
[16:51] <dsmythies> translations and such were not even brought up, although Peter tried.
[16:53] <GunnarHj> I don't see #ubuntu-uos-community in the IRC-logs. Maybe it will show up later.
[16:53] <dsmythies> I gather there will be a lot more screen shots than currently, and there was much discussion about screen shots and not much about text content.
[16:53] <GunnarHj> Hmm... Are they going to start something from scratch?
[16:54] <GunnarHj> Yeah, I heard lots about screenshots and little about creating and maintaining contents.
[16:55] <GunnarHj> I wonder if Stephen Webb has been involved? Last months he seemed to have quite a different approach.
[16:55] <dsmythies> Sounds like it, yes. There are no resources in the docs team, as you well know. I'm not sure that got across. I see that mhall119 is here,
[16:56] <dsmythies> I don't think Stephen Webb was there.
[16:56] <GunnarHj> ok
[16:57] <GunnarHj> mhall119: ping?
[16:57] <dsmythies> This will be a major major project. I do not see myself getting involved. I don't use dekstop and don't have the capactity.
[16:58] <dsmythies> keeping current docs going, which you do most of the work for desktop help, is a different story than starting a new project.
[16:58] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Indeed.
[16:59] <dsmythies> GunnarHj: I have to be away from keyboard for awhile.
[16:59] <mhall119> dsmythies: I think bregma is on holiday this week
[16:59] <GunnarHj> dsmythies: Are they expecting that existing team does most of the work with this new thing??
[16:59] <mhall119> but this session was his idea originally
[17:00] <dsmythies> Who is bregma? Is that Stephen?
[17:00] <GunnarHj> mhall119: Aha, thanks. Then he got some new ideas since last month. :)
[17:00] <mhall119> dsmythies: yes
[17:00] <mhall119> that's his IRC nick
[17:00] <mhall119> GunnarHj: my hope is that the Unity 8 developers, along with the QA community, will be more involved in creating and maintaining the documentation
[17:00] <mhall119> and also that we can automate some of it
[17:01] <GunnarHj> mhall119: I think that will be necessary. The docs team consists mostly of lurkers...
[17:01] <mhall119> the goal is for there to be less work for the docs team, especially on maintaining docs once they are written
[17:01] <dsmythies> I think that developers being more involved is key. That is exactly what I brought up in the last cummunity checkin thing. Anyway, I have to go for now.
[17:01] <mhall119> GunnarHj: I know, it has for a long time too, it's frankly amazing that you guys still get done as much as you do
[17:02] <GunnarHj> mhall119: Basically we just handle bugs and publish the thing. Not much of contents creation.
[17:05] <GunnarHj> mhall119: One thought: Ubuntu is not just the desktop, and probably lots of contents in the current desktop guide will apply to the Unity 8 desktop as well.
[17:06] <mhall119> GunnarHj: Unity 8 is what we're focusing on with this, we're not going to try and do it for Unity 7
[17:06] <mhall119> so, desktop, tablet and phone we should be able to do all togeter
[17:08] <GunnarHj> mhall119: I didn't mean to change the Unity 7 stuff, but only saying that there may be contents that will apply to the new converged environment. Maybe not much - I know too little about it.
[17:10] <mhall119> GunnarHj: I'm targetting Unity 8 mostly because I think that's going to be easier to run with Autopilot
[17:11] <GunnarHj> mhall119: Ok. Maybe I should wait until something is written to the list. Then it will be easier to get the picture.
[18:01] <awvas> hello guys, can i talk with someone from the ubuntu team?
[18:05] <dsmythies> awvas: How can we help?
[18:07] <awvas> i've noticed all the ubuntu.net. are redirecting to ubuntu.com
[18:07] <awvas> now, lets say i want to register ubuntu.[my country]
[18:07] <awvas> what will happen
[18:07] <awvas> and can i do it?
[18:07] <jpds> awvas: I think most of them redirect to ubuntu.com.
[18:08] <awvas> yes, but can i register my own ubuntu domain? is it legal?
[18:08] <awvas> thats what i am asking
[18:08] <jpds> awvas: Is it already registered?
[18:09] <awvas> it is registered by another person, but i am talking with him to transfer it to me
[18:09] <awvas> ubuntu.bg
[18:10] <awvas> i've got the idea, but somehow he stole it from me haha, however i am talking with him to give me the domain
[18:10] <awvas> but i was curious if it is legal to register it
[18:10] <awvas> cuz i dont want troubles
[18:16] <awvas> so? can i get my answer? please?
[18:16] <GunnarHj> awvas: If you want a domain for a LoCo in Bulgaria, I suppose you'd better talk to Canonical. They have already registered ubuntu-bg.org.
[18:17] <awvas> but my question is about ubuntu.bg is it worthy to ask the person who had already registered it to give it to me? is it legal is OK with the UBUNTU owners to have that domain? as i am not planning to distribute the OS
[18:19] <GunnarHj> awvas: In Sweden, both ubuntu-se.org (the LoCo) and ubuntu.se exist. I'm not sure about the legal aspects, but I know there is a history of conflicts involved...
[18:20] <awvas> yeah thats why i am asking, cuz i dont to be involved in any conflicts
[18:21] <GunnarHj> awvas: If you really want to know about the legality, you should ask Canonical. I don't think anyone in the doc team can tell.
[18:23] <awvas> so you mean to send a question from here http://partners.ubuntu.com/contact-us
[18:23] <awvas> ?
[18:23] <awvas> if yes, thank you very much for the discusion
[18:26] <GunnarHj> awvas: I'd rather suggest https://rt.ubuntu.com/
[18:27] <awvas> thank you
[18:27] <GunnarHj> awvas: You're welcome. :)
[18:27] <awvas> :)


[17:57] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[17:57] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[17:58] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos !
[17:58] <pavlushka> How are you?
[17:59] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[18:02] <pavlushka> ok thank you!


[02:21] <bencc> can I use upstart to start a python server as a daemon?
[02:21] <bencc> I want to run rtmplite http://code.google.com/p/rtmplite/
[15:44] <venugopal> jodh, Thanks for reply. I am able to fix it and it is working fine for all flavours of ubuntu and not working for fedora 15 OS.
[15:44] <venugopal> Will the same upstart script works for Fedora 15?
[15:48] <jodh> venugopal: Fedora 15 uses systemd, not Upstart.
[16:07] <plautrba> venugopal: there is upstart-1.2-4.fc15 and you need upstart-1.3 so it won't work probably
[16:25] <venugopal> ok
[17:15] <bencc> if I'm using upstart with a python server, I don't need something like python-daemon?
[17:15] <bencc> or do I need both?
[17:18] <jodh> I don't understand your question.
[18:32] <bencc> jodh: rtmplite is a server that you can run in the terminal
[18:32] <bencc> I want to run it as a daemon
[18:32] <bencc> I can do it with python-daemon and/or upstart
[18:33] <bencc> my question is, if I'm using upstart to start and monitor rtmplite do I still need a python daemon or is it not necessary?
[19:04] <jodh> I think that's a python question really. Upstart doesn't make a program run as a daemon: it manages daemons and other programs. You'd need to look at what python-daemon provides to your python app to see if it is appropriate to use that in your case or not.
[19:22] <Ronnie> im trying to make an upstart script for service i need to runs, but somehow i cant get it to work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/793007/
[23:08] <bencc> jodh: python-daemon runs a python process in the background and manage a pid lock file for you so you can start, stop and restart the process
[23:08] <bencc> isn't that what upstart does?


[00:43] <kx112> I was previously using Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS, and had 5.1 surround sound working fine. However, I have just upgraded to 23.04 (which I think uses pipe wire rather than pulseaudio), and surround sound no longer works. I also don't think the subwoofer is working. Any idea how to reenable this? I don't see 5.1 surround in any of the sound options in
[00:43] <kx112> settings.
[02:07] <jorrit> map:
[02:20] <pycurious>  sudo apt-cache show libboost-all-dev | grep -i "Installed-Size" —> Gives Installed-Size: 10 — does that mean the installed size is 10kb? 10MB?
[02:25] <pycurious> Installed-Size: 10.2 kB
[02:25] <pycurious> Download-Size: 2,468 B
[02:25] <pycurious> That does not sound right to me?
[02:31] <Bashing-om> pycurious: https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/libboost-all-dev .
[02:31] <Bashing-om> !info libboost-all-dev
[02:35] <pycurious> @Bashing-om - https://packages.ubuntu.com/kinetic/amd64/libboost-all-dev/filelist - this does not list the header files themselves - what am i missing?
[02:38] <pycurious> The boost library is 38M compressed - something smelss.
[02:39] <Bashing-om> pycurious: Beats me - does https://askubuntu.com/questions/308657/installing-boost-on-12-04-have-ran-sudo-apt-get-install-libboost-all-dev-now help ?
[02:40] <leejones_> oppshank me deze eene nacht
[02:41] <pycurious> @Bashing-om The size of libboost-all-dev is 10.2kb - and then it installs a dependency libboost-dev - which also is 10.2kb in size….the mystry thickens :)
[02:46] <leejones_> TT/join #hexchat
[02:53] <leejones_> MATAMOROS, please come back!
[02:54] <leejones_> Oh darn, I know that he/she can't see what I just typed!
[04:55] <m2x07> ubuntu bad
[04:55]  * m2x07 flips off
[06:02] <kotgc> Hello, File Manager is not showing a recognised USB?
[06:19] <ravage> define "recognized"
[06:47] <Daghdha> How to disable keyring popup on Ubuntu? I do NOT use auto login. yet i still hav eit popping uo.
[08:09] <ice9> is there a channel to submit ideas to Ubuntu?
[08:44] <father_of_lies> Hello everyone ?
[08:48] <Daghdha> it's idling contest in here i fear. Hello though
[08:55] <kotgc3rdchoice> Hello, File Manager is not showing a recognised USB?
[09:03] <father_of_lies> Is all irc chat like this ?
[09:15] <fazio1983> buongiorno posso comunicare con voi per farvi delle domande?
[09:15] <fazio1983> ce nessuno
[09:35] <geirha> kotgc3rdchoice: are you sure it has a filesystem?
[10:24] <kotgc2ndchoice> geirha, I ran a 2nd format and deleted all partitions, which seemed to fix the issue.
[11:00] <vii> hi
[11:01] <vii> i lost my show desktop shortcut
[11:08] <osse>  h
[12:03] <nteodosio> ice9, desktop or server?
[12:04] <ice9> nteodosio, both
[12:05] <nteodosio> ice9, in general you could use Discourse, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/, but there is also https://github.com/ubuntu/desktop-devel-feedback.
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:22] <ice9> nteodosio, there is no option to create a new topic on Discourse
[12:23] <nteodosio> How come? Are you logged in, ice9?
[12:34] <ravage> you need minimal credit to create a new post i think
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> ice9: ^
[12:41] <ogra> ice9, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/limiting-brand-new-user-accounts/10687
[13:07] <tmm88> heyho everyone
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> welcome tmm88
[13:07] <tmm88> i am trying to install ubuntu touch or older ubuntu mobile
[13:07] <tmm88> on my computer
[13:08] <tmm88> i am using an asus m137x
[13:08] <tmm88> i tried to set it to developer mode
[13:08] <tmm88> which i did
[13:08] <ravage> !touch | tmm88
[13:08] <tmm88> i tried ubports already
[13:08] <tmm88> but i am not being able to flash my device
[13:09] <tmm88> once my device is a bit old
[13:09] <tmm88> namely it dates back to 2013
[13:09] <ravage> this is the wrong place to ask.
[13:09] <tmm88> but in principle should be ok
[13:09] <tmm88> ravage: what's the right channel?
[13:10] <ravage> #ubports
[14:30] <mordant> I'm setting up unattended upgrades and want an email alert, I changed the config file and see that it's attempting to send an email, but I have some kind of mismatch going on with it and my MTA (msmtp). It's trying to send to the correct place, but it's 'From' is just set to 'root', so my server slaps it down immediately. What can I do to fix this?
[14:31] <mordant> I already set the 'from' setting in my msmtp config, which seems to be ignored, as a working manual sending using mailx still sends from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>despite the 'from' setting set to something else. Manual sending does get delivered however, unlike the unattended upgrade summary
[14:41] <mordant> I also have my .msmtprc file in /root
[14:42] <leftyfb>  mordant use postfix
[14:43] <mordant> couldn't get it working, let me ask a better question then.  Purge what you have, including /etc/postfix, reinstall it, and if doesn't ask during the installation, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[14:48] <mordant> I appreciate the suggestions, I do.  I did the reconfigure after a purge yesterday, it failed, I tried setting it up manually after another purge, that failed. It sends only local everytime, I have no idea what it's trying to do, but using the reconfigure wizard didn't work, and setting it all up manually using a dozen different walkthroughs failed too
[14:49] <leftyfb> mordant: then you need to troubleshoot
[14:49] <leftyfb> mordant: just trying other MTA's hoping they'll work with little-to-no understanding of MTA's isn't the solution
[14:50] <mordant> im not just banging on the keyboard hoping for the best, I did troubleshoot, I started over several times, I read over the manual, it's quite a deep hole just to send a system email
[14:51] <oac> Hi there, I have multiple kernels installed via PPAs (for testing a few things) in a mantic system running in lxd (so, no user-interactive grub by default). Is there a way to tell the system in the VM to reboot into a different kernel?
[14:52] <leftyfb> mordant: I saw zero troubleshooting going on in #postfix other than someone suggesting you use nullmailer and you saying everything was working fine
[14:53] <mordant> that was after half a day of troubleshooting on my own, trial and error, watching the mail log, changing settingsm, redoing the config, etc.
[14:53] <leftyfb> oac: LXD containers are containers, not VM's. If you want a VM, install a VM in LXD. Then you'll have grub
[14:53] <leftyfb> mordant: right, and at that point, you ask for more help with troubleshooting
[14:54] <KingShark> mordant, maybe this helps you https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/379175/how-do-i-change-postfix-sender-address
[14:54] <KingShark> bottomline is, its not postfix defining that sender address but the program you are actually sending with
[14:55] <leftyfb> mordant: use postfix and apticron. apticron lets you specify the user
[14:55] <mordant> alright, I'll give it another shot, thanks for the suggestions
[14:57] <oac> leftyfb: LXD can do both, all it takes is passing a `--vm` flag to the `lxc launch` command. So it boots with its own kernel. In this case, the kernel from the PPA I'm using. But I'd like to tell it to boot with the stock kernel instead of the one from the PPA. Is that possible without using grub? Or perhaps I should just adjust the grub configuration in the VM...
[14:57] <leftyfb> oac: use grub
[14:59] <oac> leftyfb: Alright, thanks
[15:02] <dipta14> hello
[15:02] <dipta14> p
[15:02] <dipta14> some 1 here??
[15:02] <leftyfb> !support | dipta14
[15:02] <dipta14> h?
[15:02] <dipta14> no 1 here huh? only me
[15:02] <dipta14> aa
[15:02] <dipta14> a
[15:02] <dipta14> a
[15:02] <dipta14> a
[15:02] <dipta14> a
[15:02] <dipta14> a
[15:04] <reinaldo> What do you want?
[15:09] <AngryTom> How to make submenus open automatically on Gnome like macOS does?
[15:14] <KingShark> i dont know macos so i struggle to follow
[15:14] <KingShark> i dont know gnome either but i am still curious what the question is :-))
[15:15] <leftyfb> AngryTom: which submenu's exactly?
[15:15] <AngryTom> When I right click on the panel.
[15:16] <leftyfb> AngryTom: which panel?
[15:16] <AngryTom> @leftyfb: the Gnome panel
[15:16] <AngryTom> the dock
[15:17] <leftyfb> AngryTom: I don't think you can.
[15:17] <AngryTom> ok
[15:17] <leftyfb> AngryTom: you can try asking in #gnome
[15:35] <mordant> @leftyfb, tried again, twice, and still, my mail.log is showing that its sending locally, as I'm only seeing postfix/local and not postfix/smtp, so it's not even trying to reach out where I specify
[15:37] <leftyfb> mordant: pastebin your main.cf modifying anything you don't want public
[15:40] <leftyfb> mordant: and how exactly are you testing email being sent?
[15:40] <mordant> leftyfb, working on the paste, just need a minute. I'm just doing a mailx command and checking the mail.log
[15:40] <leftyfb> mordant: echo "this is a test email body" | mail -a "FROM<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-s "my subject"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:42] <mordant> whats that paste site you can use with a pipe again?
[15:42] <mordant> leftyfb, yep, though I use mailx, but yea that's what I'm doing exactly for testing
[15:43] <leftyfb> mordant: termbin.com 9999. But if you want anything obfuscated, I wouldn't recommend piping to termbin
[15:44] <V1A> hi all
[15:44] <V1A> my desktop resolution seems to be fd!
[15:45] <V1A> seems to be set at 5760x3240 ???!! I HAVE A 4K DISPLAY SHOULD BE 3849X2160PX
[15:45] <V1A> sry caps
[15:45] <V1A> how do i fix that
[15:45] <ravage> settings -> display -> resolution
[15:45] <V1A> oh seems i found it
[15:45] <mordant> leftyfb, nothing sensitive, replaced anything specific: https://termbin.com/5eub
[15:46] <V1A> the reolution was fine problem was scale was set to 1.5x
[15:46] <V1A> much nicer now should work
[15:46] <V1A> yay
[15:46] <V1A> also thx ravage !
[15:47] <V1A> no wonder it was all so fukd lmao
[15:47] <V1A> >.<
[15:49] <mordant> leftyfb, ok, so postfix switches over to smtp when I'm not using my actual FQDN, like when I use sdfkgjhsdg.com, the log shows it switched over to smtp, but when set to my domain, it's set to local. Is there some mapping or alias on the system thats making it think my fqdn is itself? nothing I've set myself, I can confirm that much
[15:51] <leftyfb> mordant: Change "myhostname" to your actual hostname and remove your fqdn from the list of "mydestination". That is why it's trying to deliver email for mydomainname.com locally
[15:53] <mordant> leftyfb, progress, goddamn, thank you, I see it attempting to connect now
[15:54] <leftyfb> mordant: https://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination
[15:56] <mordant> and I was missing libsasl2-modules which I added, and now, it works. and it's a miracle. 🎉
[15:56] <mordant> leftyfb, thanks man, I really do appreciate your help
[15:56] <leftyfb> not a miracle. Just basic configurations :)
[16:11] <mordant> and black magic
[16:12] <mordant> basic values in a text file? might as well be neverland
[16:12] <kaliboy> what up yall
[16:20] <mordant> leftyfb, im left thinking where I went wrong in the install configuration wizard, feel like that should be doing most of this stuff and I goofed it
[18:00] <shinero> hello
[18:43] <akik> why are the lxd systemd socket files restored back to original status even if i sym link them to /dev/null ?
[18:44] <akik> i don't want to use socket activation for lxd snap
[18:45] <ravage> -> https://github.com/canonical/lxd/issues
[18:46] <akik> lol another place to report issues
[18:46] <akik> i already wrote to discourse
[18:47] <ravage> it is the link on the snap page
[18:47] <akik> ravage: ok thanks i'll try there after a few days if nobody replies to discourse
[19:00] <akik> ravage: do you know what this looks for? lxd.activate[190]: ==> Checking if LXD needs to be activated
[19:00] <akik> systemd[1]: snap.lxd.activate.service: Deactivated successfully.
[19:03] <akik> wow that fixed it
[19:04] <akik> i enabled both snap.lxd.activate and snap.lxd.daemon with systemd for graphical.target
[19:04] <akik> now lxd starts automatically on vm boot
[19:05] <Guest46> hi https://pastebin.com/jcMS4Wnr i'm trying to get gcc 12.2 to work(need it to compile some cuda stuff), it seems ubuntu installs 12.3.0 when installing the gcc-12.2.0 package. anyone got any idea on how to get gcc-12.2 ?
[19:10] <dhar> what???
[19:12] <akik> say what again
[19:14] <dhar> can't believe irc still works
[19:14] <leftyfb> !support | dhar
[19:29] <Strifes> hi all got a question
[19:30] <toddc> !ask | Strifes
[19:32] <Strifes> is it good to use ifconfig or better to go to ip command?
[19:33] <Strifes> 'ifconfig' will be removed or will it be an alternative command?
[19:34] <leftyfb> Strifes: "ifconfig" is no longer installed by default
[19:45] <toddc> Strifes: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/networkmanager/networkmanager-and-netplan
[19:57] <res0> netplan is so good.
[19:59] <mossberg_> NickServ loggin
[20:00] <res0> mossberg_: /msg nickserv help :)
[20:10] <mozambique> %C<fg>,<bg>
[20:10] <mozambique> hello
[20:10] <mozambique> dam
[23:09] <xenixy> Anyone have any experience with installing Ubuntu on an HP Z440 with the stock PCI-E SSD? For some reason, only Windows seems to be able to see this drive as a... drive. If I boot an Ubuntu live-USB, lspci does seem to see it, but it is not offered as a drive during installation.
[23:13] <leftyfb> xenixy: disable the fake RAID in the bios
[23:17] <xenixy> leftyfb I didn't think I had anything like that enabled, but let me check.
[23:17] <leftyfb> xenixy: it's default
[23:23] <leftyfb> xenixy: please don't PM
[23:24] <leftyfb> xenixy: also look for Intel Rapid Technology
[23:24] <leftyfb> xenixy: sorry, Intel Rapid Store Technology(RST)
[23:30] <xenixy> leftyfb I don't see any BIOS setting about RST.
[23:33] <xenixy> Is there perhaps some secret incantation to enter options related to the PCI-E SSD carrier card?


[00:01] <Jmainguy> nice
[14:14] <Guest84571> hi, bin neu mit linux unterwegs.  Der moni kann aber full HD. Jemand ne Idee?
[14:15] <cfhowlett> !de | Guest84571
[14:15] <Guest84571> ok thanks
[19:48] <ZapMagnet> Good day, All.  1st use of IRC Chat.  Quick question on UStudio 14.04:  xfce Switch User option greyed out; why, or how can I fix that?
[19:49] <ZapMagnet> Three users defined.
[19:56] <Jmainguy> irc is awesome
[19:56] <Jmainguy> I dont know the answer to your question however
[19:56] <Jmainguy> if you dont find the answer in here, it should be the same for regular ubuntu xfce, so they might know more
[19:56] <Jmainguy> someone else in her might answer as well
[19:57] <Unit193> #xubuntu might know, I can't remember right now except for policykit dropping out.
[19:57] <Unit193> Used to use gdmflexiserver IIRC.
[19:59] <ZapMagnet> Thx for your responses.  I'm also rather new to Ubuntu/Linux so they're a bit over my head, but not for long.  I'm a mainframe Sysprog and love to learn.
[22:20] <wachin> Please can help me with qjackct, I want to jack start automatically, but now not open the configuration window, qjackctl always is hidden on icon: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1423693160.png
[22:22] <wachin> when I open qjackctl always is enabled the system tray icon, and this not open nothing config windows, no right click no left click, not working.
[22:24] <wachin> I need qjackctl reset to defaults. I will try to erase the file: .jackdrc and the file /home/wachin/.config/jack/ and restart the UbuntuStudio but not working
[22:43] <wachin> I solved this problem, only have to open again the qjackctl on the menu apps: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1423694587.png
[22:43] <wachin> See you later, I am happy with UbuntuStudio, is the best of the best
[23:00] <Jmainguy> nice man


[00:02] <knome> holstein, you still online?
[00:06] <knome> hey falktx!
[00:07] <falktx> hey
[00:07] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/wordpress/
[00:07] <knome> the tabs are working with JS now
[00:07] <knome> and the content is dynamically created from a custom WP post type too ;)
[00:08] <falktx> cool
[00:08] <knome> yeah. i just hacked that together
[00:09] <knome> holstein, ^
[00:09] <knome> and yeah, that's only on the front page too
[00:13] <falktx> I got the live-dvd ready
[00:14] <falktx> but still need to upload the rest
[00:14] <falktx> only 15% is up
[00:14] <falktx> brb
[00:14] <knome> :)
[00:38] <knome> okay, some fancy effects there too!
[01:00] <knome> VERY fancy effects too!!
[02:24]  * holstein looking knome
[02:24] <knome> holstein, hey!
[02:24] <knome> see http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/wordpress/
[02:25] <holstein> knome: yeah, thats is bangin
[02:25] <holstein> looks great
[02:25] <knome> the best thing
[02:25] <knome> it's WORDPRESS
[02:25] <knome> :)
[02:25] <knome> and you can edit the tabs as pages
[02:25] <holstein> sweet
[02:25] <holstein> lets put it up :)
[02:26] <knome> and you can change the bg images too ;)
[02:26] <knome> (by the admin...)
[02:26] <knome> we need approval of IS
[02:26] <knome> that means
[02:26] <knome> they will set up a staging site
[02:26] <knome> we push the code to a bzr branch
[02:26] <knome> they go through it
[02:26] <holstein> well, im exited
[02:26] <holstein> excited*
[02:27] <knome> and approve it (taking it doesn't contain any security issues - which it doesn't)
[02:27] <holstein> knome: those transitions are nice
[02:27] <holstein> the fades into one another
[02:27] <knome> then we're on the staging site, and can upload any content, and when we are ready, they push it to production
[02:27] <knome> mm-hmm :)
[02:27] <knome> it's jQuery
[02:28] <holstein> looks just awesome
[02:28] <knome> the IS haven't been answering our request in a few weeks
[02:28] <holstein> IS?
[02:28] <knome> canonical internet services
[02:28] <holstein> interesting
[02:28] <holstein> maybe they are changing some stuff around
[02:28] <knome> (i suppose the ubuntu studio site is on canonical servers, right?)
[02:28] <holstein> for now
[02:28] <knome> no, that's just normal that they are slow replying :(
[02:28] <holstein> we talked about moving
[02:28] <knome> moving to where?
[02:29] <holstein> but, i think we just ended up at the free service
[02:29] <holstein> knome: just elsewhere
[02:29] <knome> heh, yeah
[02:29] <holstein> private hosting
[02:29] <knome> free service is nice
[02:29] <holstein> well, i think thats where we are right now
[02:29] <knome> yeah, i suppose it is so
[02:29] <holstein> and we are not supposed to raise funds
[02:30] <holstein> so, its going to come out of someones pocket, and that aint right
[02:30] <holstein> when the free service'll be fine
[02:30] <holstein> knome: thanks for doing that
[02:30] <knome> yup.
[02:30] <holstein> it looks great
[02:30] <knome> no problem
[02:30] <holstein> knome: can i share that around a bit?
[02:30] <holstein> not too public
[02:30] <knome> do you want me to contact (or make somebody contact) the IS, or will you do that?
[02:30] <knome> sure, spread aroung
[02:30] <knome> *around
[02:30] <holstein> knome: i say the more the merrier on the contact
[02:31] <holstein> do you know what to say?
[02:31] <holstein> and who to contact?
[02:31] <holstein> is it an email?
[02:31] <knome> suppose it's just<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:31] <holstein> knome: if you want to send one, and CC me on it
[02:31] <knome> but i can ask the same person that handles the xubuntu site to ask about this too
[02:31] <holstein> mikeh789 at the gmail
[02:31] <knome> oki
[02:31] <knome> do you know scott's mail?
[02:32] <holstein> then, i can follow up with something not too far afterward
[02:32] <knome> my mail is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you ever have anything
[02:33] <holstein> knome: thanks
[02:34] <holstein> the other thing is that kernel
[02:34] <knome> what kernel? :)
[02:35] <holstein> the lowlatency kernel that needs to be in the repos
[02:35] <holstein> i think scott is maintaining it now
[02:35] <holstein> not sure...
[02:35] <holstein> ill have to aks
[02:35] <knome> aha
[02:35] <holstein> ask*
[02:35] <knome> i know nothing about that
[02:35] <holstein> but we need that in the repos
[02:35] <holstein> we havent had a proper kernel since 10.04
[02:35] <holstein> and that was the old one from 9.10
[02:35] <knome> :(
[02:36] <holstein> the new generic kernels are RT friendly
[02:36] <holstein> but, we still need the lowlatency one for a few more releases
[02:36] <holstein> i would like to have it in the LTS
[02:36] <knome> yeah..
[02:36] <holstein> then, we can not have it anymore i say
[02:37] <knome> if the kernel is ready in the sense that it just needs to be uploaded to the repositories, i see no reason why it couldn't make it, if you just pressure people
[02:37] <holstein> yeah, im going to confirm that that is the only step missing
[02:37] <holstein> then, im going to start the pressure
[02:37] <holstein> get that thing in now
[02:37] <knome> yeah
[02:38] <knome> not always easy when you are from the small derivative
[02:38] <knome> not too easy for xubuntu stuff either
[02:38] <holstein> xubuntu is looking *so* awesome these days
[02:38] <knome> heh, thanks
[02:38] <holstein> what a great team
[02:39] <knome> we hope to keep that trend up
[02:39] <holstein> i think you will
[02:39] <holstein> you guys seem to have momentum
[02:39] <holstein> and the product shows that too
[02:40] <knome> mmh. not that we couldn't do with a few more hands
[02:40] <holstein> well, hopefully we cross pollinate a bit more than we have
[02:41] <holstein> this team is just so small right now
[02:41] <knome> mm-hmm
[02:41] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-October/007996.html
[02:41] <knome> you probably should /whois me too, if you still haven't :)
[02:41] <holstein> oh, i saw that mail
[02:42] <holstein> i didnt realize that was you
[02:42] <holstein> thats great :)
[02:42] <knome> heh, yeah
[02:42] <knome> if i get elected, i'm definitely going to strive for more cooperation with ubuntu studio, since we're sharing the same DE now
[02:43] <holstein> well, i personally hope that we can get working with you guys more, and just have our theme-ing and audio stuff
[02:43] <holstein> most of the UI work should be able to be done together
[02:43] <holstein> UI and backend other than studio specifics
[02:43] <knome> yeah
[02:44] <holstein> i know some folks on the xubuntu team were testing out ISO's and that was great
[02:44] <holstein> scott and i both got a little crazy with personal stuff here toward the end of the release
[02:44] <knome> i'm hoping to be able to grow the xubuntu dev team by one or two developers
[02:44] <knome> that would already be huge by our standards
[02:44] <holstein> yeah, thats what i heard
[02:44] <holstein> i was surprised
[02:45] <holstein> you guys have such a polished product, i assumed some dev's were right there
[02:45] <knome> well, we have ONE
[02:45] <holstein> that helps
[02:45] <holstein> we need one :/
[02:45] <knome> yeah, but even he is mostly on packaging-only mode
[02:45] <holstein> we'll get one
[02:45] <knome> yeah, and if we can get a few more, i'm sure you'll benefit of them too
[02:46] <holstein> yeah, exciting times
[02:47] <knome> btw, do you know if there is need to fetch and show some tweets on the studio website, like myhaiku.org suggests?
[03:03] <holstein> knome: maybe
[03:03] <holstein> i wouldnt mind
[03:03] <knome> what would those tweets be?
[03:03] <knome> (you could show some aggregated blogs too - i have a simple plugin for that ready)
[03:04] <holstein> knome: probably complaints ;)
[03:04] <holstein> 'i cant install'
[03:04] <holstein> 'another fine mess'
[03:04] <knome> lol
[03:04] <holstein> 'what are you guys doing'
[03:04] <holstein> :p
[03:08] <knome> yeah, but which twitter accounts to aggregate - or did you mean something like aggregating all twitter messages with ubuntu studio mentioned?
[03:08] <knome> (or some tag)
[03:09] <knome> hmmpf. i think i need to sleep. it's 6am.
[03:10] <knome> feel free to send me email or ping me at irc if there is something
[03:10] <knome> bbl
[03:10] <knome> (and good night)
[03:11] <holstein> knome: thanks again
[03:11] <holstein> i'll run that by scott and the others as i see them
[03:11] <holstein> im not sure about it
[09:32] <knome> hey fr-z
[09:33] <knome> fr-z, made some progress re: the website yesterday, we're now sporting a wordpress draft site: http://temp.knome.fi/ubuntustudio/wordpress/
[09:34] <fr-z> heyy knome morning :)
[09:36] <fr-z> nice is quite cool
[09:36] <knome> it works with and without JS too
[09:37] <fr-z> what do you think about this:
[09:37] <fr-z> at the right side of the logo you have the symbol
[09:38] <fr-z> how about to remove his blue backriund circle and put the symbol on the blue the background has
[09:38] <fr-z> sorry for my english sometimes its not the best ^^
[09:39] <knome> we can have the symbol in the blue are too, but the actual logo is the text and the symbol, as it is shown in the top of the page, so that won't be ripped off ;)
[09:39] <fr-z> if you dont understand pleaseso i try to explain myself better
[09:39] <knome> but yeah, i think it's not a bad idea to have the logo picmark in the featured area too
[09:40] <fr-z> what i am trying to say is that the logo is nice as it is
[09:40] <fr-z> i was just wondering if it could improve if the right symble could invert the color
[09:41] <knome> yeah, i understand - that's definitely not final yet
[09:41] <fr-z> ahh ok
[09:41] <knome> it just something that i put together to demostrate the featured tabs area
[11:14] <fr-z> kk
[11:14] <fr-z> sorry was afk
[11:14] <fr-z> the js slider are you going to keep it on each sector?
[11:14] <fr-z> inside i mean
[11:18] <knome> no, just the frontpage, if that's what you meant
[11:19] <fr-z> yes
[11:22] <fr-z> brb
[15:30] <fr-z> hi