[06:42] <valorie> is Muon our package manager by default in 11.10?
[06:43] <valorie> downloading the 11.10 isos is so incredibly slow -- why didn't I start torrenting last week?
[06:47] <tsimpson> valorie: looking at kubuntu-desktop, I'd say "yes"
[06:48] <jussi> apachelogger: !! I found a job for you... http://www.mol.fi/paikat/Job.do?lang=fi&jobID=7776326&index=553&anchor=7776326 (scroll down for english)
[06:49] <jussi> (the job title says "Ice princess") :D
[06:55] <valorie> well, I've given up on my liveUSB etc. and am just making my netbook Oneiric
[06:55] <valorie> wish me luck
[06:57]  * valorie could be Mrs. Gingerbread
[07:47] <bambee> morning
[08:07] <ejat> morning bambee
[09:01] <apachelogger> jussi: I could do that
[09:04] <jussi> :D
[09:17] <apachelogger> debfx, yofel_: did someone fix startkde yet?
[09:48] <danimo> is there a doc on how to backport a package from sid to ubuntu?
[09:48] <danimo> (any version, really)
[09:48] <danimo> just replace the files?
[09:52] <apachelogger> danimo: depends on what version is in ubuntu and what version is in sid... if the ubuntu version diverges from debian you'd get the debian version the ubuntu version is based on, diff those two, then get the new debian version and apply the diff
[09:52] <apachelogger> no idea if we have documentation on that
[09:52] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Merging-and-Syncing that might be as close as it gets
[09:52] <danimo> apachelogger: ok
[09:52] <apachelogger> oh
[09:52] <apachelogger> danimo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[09:52] <danimo> apachelogger: I noticed that icecc needs some love. getting in touch with fabo
[09:52] <apachelogger> that seems more useful
[09:53] <bambee> see kde-packagers (performance related bugfix in kwin for kde 4.6), we could import this patch to kubuntu-ppa/ppa ... no?
[09:53] <apachelogger> danimo: I think the 11.10 icecc should be in line with debian again, natty might indeed need some love
[09:53] <apachelogger> bambee: see mail on kubuntu-devel :P
[09:53] <danimo> apachelogger: we have builders as old as 8.04
[09:54] <danimo> apachelogger: (yay for backwards compat!)
[09:54] <apachelogger> oh dear
[09:54] <danimo> apachelogger: what can you do?
[09:54] <apachelogger> 8.04? I do not even think that is supported anymore :S
[09:54] <danimo> apachelogger: it's LTS
[09:54] <apachelogger> not for kubuntu :P
[09:54] <danimo> apachelogger: that's not relevant, we do not use any gui packages
[09:54] <danimo> apachelogger: they are purely builders
[09:54] <apachelogger> ah, fair enough then
[09:54] <bambee> apachelogger: "I think we have enough feedback to move the patch into Oneiric." ?
[09:55] <apachelogger> bambee: I should hope someone pushes it to the bzr branches
[09:55] <apachelogger> or more likely someone already did
[09:55]  * bambee checks
[09:56] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/AsYcU.png :D :D
[09:56] <apachelogger> good times
[09:56] <danimo> apachelogger: but even sid/oneiric are missing icecc features in the init script
[09:58] <apachelogger> danimo: oh, you should definitely talk to fabo then
[09:58] <danimo> apachelogger: yepp, waiting for him to return from a meeting
[09:59] <apachelogger> kthx
[09:59] <bambee> apachelogger: kubuntu-ppa/ppa contains nothing about this fix. I will import it after dinner
[09:59] <apachelogger> bambee: you mean backport to versions older than natty?
[10:00] <bambee> or maybe we could import it to natty-updates... don't know (it's an important fix...)
[10:01] <bambee> or both
[10:01] <apachelogger> updates makes more sense IMHO
[10:01] <apachelogger> backports ppa will get the fix with 4.7.2
[10:11] <didrocks> debfx: thanks for the fix!
[11:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: What's the deal for phonon-xine?  Should it be removed?
[11:06] <apachelogger> yes
[11:07] <ScottK> bambee: I think it's fine to push the kwin performance thing to kde 4.6.5 in the PPA.
[11:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.  Will do.
[11:19] <bambee> ScottK: not in natty-updates ? some user might use archives and not the ppa :)
[11:20] <ScottK> bambee: We need to get 4.6.5 into -updates.  That's how we solve that.
[11:20] <bambee> ohh
[11:20] <bambee> right
[11:20] <bambee> I agree now
[11:42] <apachelogger> bambee, ScottK: someone needs to backport http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=fc34fa863f7b61fd32ae6736be925db20bae950a
[11:42] <apachelogger> first step towards fixing root-only kcms
[11:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: If only there were a Kubuntu developer that was familiar with the patch ...
[11:44]  * apachelogger is busy fixing systemsettings upstream
[11:44] <apachelogger> also I still have no flat
[11:44] <apachelogger> eeeh
[11:44]  * apachelogger needs a cig
[11:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then it's fortunate that smoking is allowed under the bridge.
[11:49] <apachelogger> indeed
[11:49] <apachelogger> do we have any kcms other than partitionmanager and userconfig that need root?
[11:51] <ScottK> Not that I know of, but there's legions of stuff I don't know, so take it FWIW.
[12:14] <debfx> apachelogger: nope, I haven't worked on startkde
[12:20] <ryanakca> ScottK: We're seeing progress from the sysadmins on that RT ticket :)
[12:21] <ScottK> ryanakca: Excellent.
[12:21] <apachelogger> also http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=a80fd773d376a715f5d1a5320b0a40c8e954d2da needs to be applied
[12:28] <fabo> ScottK: debfx: what about a FFe for Qt Creator 2.3.0?
[12:29] <fabo> debfx: have you disabled the QML Designer because it fails to build on armel?
[12:31] <ScottK> fabo: If you think it's the right thing to do and have packages, have tested, etc, I'd say sounds reasonable.
[12:33] <apachelogger> bambee: do we have a FFe for bluedevil yet?
[12:33] <debfx> fabo: yes, we've disabled it on armel
[12:35] <debfx> https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-5547
[12:36] <fabo> debfx: ok, it should be fixed in 2.3.0
[12:36] <fabo> ScottK: I have the package ready and tested
[12:37] <fabo> need to check the arm build to make sure QTCREATORBUG-5547 is fixed
[12:38] <ScottK> OK.
[12:40] <ScottK> debfx: Generally we shouldn't remove a package from an architecture for temporary issues like that.  Leaving it FTBFS is better so if the bug is fixed in an later upload you don't have to mess with the architecture list.
[12:41] <debfx> ScottK: which package are you talking about?
[12:41] <ScottK> debfx: qtcreator.
[12:41] <ScottK> Nevermind if I misunderstood what you said.
[12:42] <debfx> we haven't removed it, just disabled the qmldesigner plugin
[12:43] <ScottK> Ah.
[12:43] <ScottK> I see.
[12:43] <ScottK> Nevermind me then.
[12:43]  * ScottK goes for more coffee.
[12:45] <skfin> +1
[12:45] <skfin> for coffee
[12:45] <skfin> continue.
[12:47] <bambee> apachelogger: assuming I've assigned the FFe to the wrong project (just assuming :P), I need to re-assign it to the "ubuntu" project right? (there are too many ubuntu related project through launchpad :\)
[12:48]  * bambee has assigned the bug to "Launchpad itself" o.O
[12:48]  * bambee hides
[12:48] <micahg> bambee: at least now you can easily move stuff from project -> distro
[12:50]  * bambee blames himself
[12:51] <debfx> apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace/revision/564
[12:55] <bambee> apachelogger: bug 849936
[12:56]  * ScottK thought from the ML there were still some unresolved questions?
[12:57] <ScottK> Ice creaming is working again on the arm boxen: ICECC[23972] 12:54:25: Compiled on <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:01] <debfx> is anyone interested in writing a script that generates rebuild uploads of the kde sc packages and pushes the changes to bzr?
[13:01] <debfx> otherwise we have to do that manually :/
[13:42] <ScottK> Who was working on digikam?  IIRC we still need that one.
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping ping
[13:51] <shadeslayer> so i hear you wanted a iCal parser
[13:52] <shadeslayer> and oh
[13:52] <shadeslayer> what is this i see
[13:52] <shadeslayer> hackfests @ UDS ?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would it be acceptable to write a qt wrapper around libical?
[14:08] <apachelogger> debfx: cheers
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: aye
[14:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually
[14:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it might be even better to just us a javascript only solution
[14:09] <apachelogger> surely there is some js impl for turning ical into json objects
[14:09] <shadeslayer> oh .. uh .. i'm not that well versed with js
[14:09] <apachelogger> which would be a good enough solution IMHO
[14:09] <shadeslayer> there's a perl parser i can see
[14:09] <shadeslayer> but thats pretty much it
[14:10] <apachelogger> http://code.google.com/p/ijp/
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ohk
[14:11] <shadeslayer> interesting :D
[14:11] <apachelogger> not that it'd be the best solution
[14:11] <apachelogger> were just thinking yesterday
[14:12] <apachelogger> doing the parsing in JS might not be all the inefficient
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i think C++ as the backend for the parser would be faster ... just a thought, no proof to back that theory
[14:13] <apachelogger> it certainly would be, but I am not sure it would be sufficent
[14:13] <apachelogger> I mean, if you can whip up a low effort ical wrapper that would just be fine
[14:13] <apachelogger> of course doing it in js has the advantage that we need not worry about a dependency
[14:14] <apachelogger> (FWIW libical is available on harmattan, but thinking about ultimate portability we'd have to have it available on other platforms)
[14:14] <apachelogger> (other platforms being mostly symbian ^^)
[14:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:16] <apachelogger> looking at the js ical parser I think we could just do the same in Qt
[14:16] <apachelogger> we do not need full ical support for UDS schedule
[14:16] <apachelogger> only need event support
[14:18] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:19] <apachelogger> rdieter: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=a80fd773d376a715f5d1a5320b0a40c8e954d2da http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=commit&h=fc34fa863f7b61fd32ae6736be925db20bae950a kevin was pulling a captain obvious earlier, so I am not sure he is going to move away from the weird rootonly stuff
[14:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so what do you want me to do ?
[14:24] <apachelogger> select the best solution :P
[14:24] <shadeslayer> and that library seems to have no active solution
[14:25] <shadeslayer> s/solution/contributors/
[14:25] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "and that library seems to have no active contributors"
[14:25] <shadeslayer> the one written in js
[14:25] <shadeslayer> last release is in ... Feb 2008 @_@
[14:26] <apachelogger> so?
[14:26] <apachelogger> RFCs are not changing very often :P
[14:27] <shadeslayer> well, no, but what about bugs in the library?
[14:27] <apachelogger> we can fix em
[14:27] <apachelogger> or you start writing a Qt parser for ical :P
[14:28] <shadeslayer> qt wrapper for libical you mean :P
[14:28] <apachelogger> nah
[14:28] <apachelogger> too fat
[14:28] <shadeslayer> or do you mean design something from the ground up
[14:28] <apachelogger> just reimplement that js thing in Qt
[14:28] <shadeslayer> heh, for that i'll need to read the RFC myself :P
[14:28] <apachelogger> as I said, we do not need the entire RFC
[14:28] <shadeslayer> right
[14:28] <apachelogger> we only need to be able to parse events
[14:29] <apachelogger> the thing does not have to do anything but parse the events and spit out a qlist<Event *>
[14:39] <rdieter> apachelogger: thanks
[15:23] <ScottK> fabo: Do you have an opinion on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=20;bug=640210 - I grepped the code a bit and it seems reasonable at a glance, but I'm no expert.
[15:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: question, i'm not sure i understand the 'Convert the js library to Qt' part
[15:28] <shadeslayer> if its a js lib, can't you directly use it in yer QML app
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if it were working :P
[15:36] <apachelogger> plus the code is a bit ewww
[15:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ew ew ew
[15:48] <shadeslayer> regex ... in js
[15:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: exactly
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my eyes burn
[16:06] <apachelogger> https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com//browse/QTBUG-14645
[16:06] <apachelogger> lol
[16:12] <bulldog98> why does ubottu or kubotu not show a line for qt bugs?
[16:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/dvnrm.png
[16:12] <apachelogger> bulldog98: ENOTIMPLEMENTED
[16:13] <shadeslayer> sweet
[16:13] <apachelogger> dreadfully slow though
[16:13] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:13] <apachelogger> also interestingly enough the parser algorithm uses recursion for lists
[16:19] <debfx> apachelogger: I guess I should keep desktop-template-list in pkg-kde-tools for now so kde-l10n doesn't fall over it?
[16:19] <apachelogger> or you fix kde-l10n :P
[16:20] <debfx> yeah I'll fix it in bzr, but I don't want to upload all those packages for no reason
[16:22] <apachelogger> well
[16:22] <apachelogger> there surely will be another release ^^
[16:26] <debfx> not during this cycle
[16:30] <bambee> does someone have an USB audio headset ?
[16:33] <bambee> it works perfectly on natty with a great sound , however on oneiric I get strange sizzles :\
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://i.imgur.com/zap0I.png
[16:42] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:42] <shadeslayer> show me the code
[16:42] <apachelogger> you really dont wanna see
[16:42] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but i want to :P
[16:43] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: run before you see it, run :)
[16:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you using that js lib>
[16:45] <apachelogger> parts of it
[16:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kde:scratch/sitter/uds-qml
[16:45] <apachelogger> you better clone from git.kde.org as anongit apparently takes some time
[16:46] <shadeslayer> right
[16:46]  * apachelogger needs to buy cigs
[16:46] <shadeslayer> *cough* qmake *cough*
[16:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw a simple readwhile parser would be way better than all the regex there
[16:48] <apachelogger> ical has a block begin and end line, so you can simply do while (!blockend) parseLine(line)
[16:48] <apachelogger> or something similar, that really can be done in way more readable code
[16:48] <apachelogger> also using qobject you can do arbitary property injection if you want to
[16:48] <apachelogger> though since we have a limited use case static Q_PROPERTIES would be totally sufficient
[16:48] <apachelogger> anyhow
[16:48] <apachelogger> ->
[16:51] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: file:///home/shadeslayer/kde/uds-qml/build/qml/ubuntudevelopersummit/main.qml:1:1: module "QtQuick" version 1.1 is not installed
[16:54] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:55] <shadeslayer> yofel_: time to update project-neon-qt
[17:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mind that you will also need the meego qt components
[17:05] <apachelogger> along with the artwork (which is tricky to get unless you have either the emulator or a harmattan device)
[17:05] <shadeslayer> fooey
[17:10] <apachelogger> well
[17:10] <apachelogger> easy enough to solve
[17:10] <apachelogger> just write a desktop ui :P
[17:10] <apachelogger> oh, actually
[17:10]  * apachelogger whips one up
[17:10] <shadeslayer> i be QML nub
[17:11] <shadeslayer> and as much as i like the entire UI ... somehow js isn't really something i forsee learning :P
[17:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: push'd
[17:12]  * apachelogger points out that qml != javascript
[17:12] <shadeslayer> sure, but most of it is :P
[17:13] <apachelogger> in qml you do not use half the stuff of javascript
[17:13] <apachelogger> since you do the business logic in cpp anyway
[17:13] <apachelogger> so what is left is the declarative markup and maybe a couple of signal handlers
[17:13] <apachelogger> now I could really use a design idea
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you tell me design idea
[17:14] <shadeslayer> hmm ... well, you could do a grid like thing
[17:14] <shadeslayer> and then when you touch a grid box, you get a list view of all the events for that day
[17:14] <apachelogger> hm
[17:14] <shadeslayer> as for what is actually shown in the grid boxes, i'm not swure what info we should sho
[17:14] <apachelogger> also a grid?
[17:14] <apachelogger> I mean
[17:15] <apachelogger> there are 3 relevant data as I see it
[17:15] <apachelogger> a) the day
[17:15] <apachelogger> b) the room
[17:15] <apachelogger> c) the track
[17:15] <shadeslayer> time?
[17:15] <apachelogger> well, day == time
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:15] <shadeslayer> i'll bbiab, need to run a errand
[17:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: congratulations on getting membership, sorry I missed the meeting
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, but then if you represent the all days in boxes, what info do you display in the box itself apart from the date?
[17:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I do not follow
[17:31] <shadeslayer> hold on
[17:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.8-snapshot/images/gridview-simple.png << we would have something like that right?
[17:33] <apachelogger> why?
[17:34] <apachelogger> we can have whatever we want
[17:34] <shadeslayer> true that
[17:35] <apachelogger> I do however believe that a calendar like view might make most sense
[18:02] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/9Pwty.png
[18:06] <shadeslayer> nice
[18:18] <shadeslayer> !find pull-lp-package
[18:18] <shadeslayer> brr
[18:19] <bulldog98> Riddell: kthx
[18:20]  * bulldog98 needs a hook for finding an host to build on
[18:20] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: host to build on?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> what does that mean? :P
[18:21] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I have tree pc and all three should build one package each, so I need a hook or script to get a free host and run pbuilder on it
[18:22] <bulldog98> would speedup my packaging nearly 3 times
[18:22] <shadeslayer> or .. you could hook all of them together with icecc and speed up the builds
[18:22] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: doesn’t work if main is amd64 and others are i386
[18:22] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:22] <shadeslayer> fooey
[18:23]  * bulldog98 guesses there is a bug either in icecc or pbuilder
[18:23] <bulldog98> and I reported that as debian bug
[18:26] <bulldog98> nice rebuilding for natty gives lots of missing in symbols
[18:28] <shadeslayer> probably because of different gcc versions
[18:28] <bulldog98> could be. I just patch that stuff in and check if something rdepends on it
[18:29] <bulldog98> and is not rebuild
[18:29] <shadeslayer> and where is Quintasan these days?
[18:29] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: Microsoft send guys to cut his inet off
[18:29] <shadeslayer> oh ..
[18:30] <bulldog98> :)
[18:30]  * shadeslayer dispatches some penguins to ward off the MS people
[18:30] <bulldog98> no some workers did something wrong and he has no access
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ouch
[18:30] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: they’ll need some time until they are near Quintasan
[18:31] <bulldog98> shadeslayer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:32] <bulldog98> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640199
[18:32] <shadeslayer> right, sawn
[18:33]  * shadeslayer shakes his fist at rfc 5245
[18:34] <bulldog98> !search rfc 5245
[18:34] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:35] <shadeslayer> ~google rfc 5245
[18:35] <kubotu> Results for rfc 5245: 1. RFC 5245 - Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE): A Protocol ...: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5245 | 2. RFC 5245 on Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE): A ...: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg07383.html | 3. Information on RFC 5245: http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5245
[18:35] <bulldog98> nice kubotu, bad ubottu
[18:35] <charlie-tca> I have to ask. Is Kubuntu going to have an accessible installer this cycle, or did it get postponed to LTS?
[18:36] <bulldog98> fregl: ping ^
[18:44] <rbelem> ScottK, kdelibs active-development branch merged into KDE/4.7 :-D
[18:45] <rbelem> ScottK, we don't need to separate the dev packages anymore
[18:45] <ScottK> Well, that seems to break compatiblity a bit, but OK.
[18:45] <rbelem> ScottK, notmart is working to merge kde-runtime active-development
[18:45] <ScottK> OK.
[18:45] <ScottK> When will it be done?
[18:51] <rbelem> ScottK, he made the kdelibs today
[18:52] <ScottK> Beta 2 freeze is tomorrow.
[18:52] <rbelem> ScottK, and already started kde-runtime
[18:52] <ScottK> charlie-tca: I don't think maco ended up getting a lot done on that.
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Okay, There's always next cycle
[18:53] <maco> back when the installer didnt run i had time :P
[19:03] <bulldog98> !find soprano
[19:04] <bulldog98> !find libsoprano-dev
[19:04] <bulldog98> !show libsoprano-dev
[19:04] <bulldog98> !help
[19:05] <bulldog98> !man
[19:05] <bulldog98> doesn’t ubottu has a man page?
[19:07] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: its a suppybot i think
[19:07] <shadeslayer> or sth thats spelled like that
[19:07] <shadeslayer> !find suppybot
[19:07] <shadeslayer> !info supybot
[19:08] <charlie-tca> !ubottu, tell bulldog98 about yourself
[19:08] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: ^
[19:08] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I simply want to get to know the version of a package in natty
[19:08] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: use !info
[19:08] <charlie-tca> bulldog98:  just use !info PACKAGENAME
[19:08] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: hah, that as neat
[19:09] <bulldog98> !info libsoprano-dev
[19:09]  * shadeslayer forgot what he was doing
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Those !info things are always for the latest release, so if you need a different one, add it after package
[19:09] <charlie-tca> !info libsoprano-dev lucid
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ah right, kde-wallpapers
[19:10] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: can we get the info for the current development release in the devel channels?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:10] <charlie-tca> just add oneiric instead of lucid
[19:11] <shadeslayer> charlie-tca: my question was, can oneiric be made default for devel channels?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> oh
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I don'
[19:11] <shadeslayer> today is not my day to phrase questions/replies
[19:11] <charlie-tca> I don't know, most people prefer not to have the development release there
[19:11]  * bulldog98 thinks he also has to backport soprano to get pykde4 compiling
[19:12] <shadeslayer> ah, in that case, chuck it
[19:13] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: should I adjust the dep in bzr?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: if it builds with older soprano, then yes
[19:14] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: if cmake says you *need* newer soprano, i can backport it right now
[19:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:17] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: cmake doesn’t says that, but that’s what I read from the buildlog
[19:18] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: can you pastebin this somewhere? I don't understand what you're trying to do :)
[19:18] <shadeslayer> like i said, today is not my day :P
[19:19] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I’m trying that, but batpaste laggs
[19:19] <bulldog98> or my inet
[19:19] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: use kpaste :P
[19:19] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: where is it in?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> alias kpaste='pastebinit -b http://paste.kde.org'
[19:21] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: nice
[19:22] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689457/
[19:23] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: -- Found Soprano: /usr/include  .. looks just fine
[19:24] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: look to the place, where the build fails
[19:24] <shadeslayer> aw
[19:25] <shadeslayer> this needs to be fixed in pykde as well
[19:25] <shadeslayer> because CMake should fail if it can't find proper version
[19:26] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: soprano needs backport, which is a PITA itself
[19:26] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: http://paste.kde.org/121411/
[19:28] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I should patch batpaste to be something like that: http://paste.kde.org/121417
[19:28] <bulldog98> and nice log
[19:28] <bulldog98> maybe we should patch batpaste to be something like the above
[19:29] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:29] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: lets look at that over the weekend then
[19:29] <bulldog98> then I could also unify the completion into _pasteing and add #compdef batpaste kpaste
[19:30] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I’m not at home on Saturday
[19:30] <shadeslayer> oh ok, Monday then
[19:31]  * bulldog98 has lots of time on Monday
[19:33] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: don’t hurry with the backport pykde isn’t that important
[19:33] <bulldog98> perlqt is neither
[19:33] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: thats alright, i'm taking my time :P
[19:33] <shadeslayer> found the issue tho
[19:34] <bulldog98> so marble is up
[19:34] <shadeslayer> will upload in a couple of minutes if it builds fine
[19:34] <bulldog98> mean while I’ll upload kde-baseapps
[19:36] <bulldog98> btw couldn’t we split the packaging into to tables and include them?
[19:36] <bulldog98> wiki Packaging TODO
[19:37] <bulldog98> note to myself add an -b option to kgetsource (for backporting -> set different release etc)
[19:37] <shadeslayer> bonkers : /usr/include/rasqal/rasqal.h:910:81: error: 'raptor_message_handler' has not been declared
[19:37] <shadeslayer> !info librasqal2 oneiric
[19:38] <shadeslayer> !info librasqal3-dev
[19:38] <shadeslayer> !info librasqal3-dev oneiric
[19:38] <shadeslayer> there we go
[19:38] <shadeslayer> that needs a backport now
[19:39] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i'm off to sleep, cya
[19:39] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: cya and good sleep
[19:39] <shadeslayer> will look at this on friday since i have 0 time tomorrow
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ciao
[20:29] <debfx> apachelogger: do you want to the keep the SVNURL and SVNREV stuff in the debian/rules file of kde-l10n?
[20:30] <debfx> it's only used by the get-desktop targets but there is also an empty get-messages
[20:33] <apachelogger> better leave it there
[20:33] <apachelogger> you never know when we need it again
[20:41] <bulldog98> yofel_: again new digikam release http://www.digikam.org/drupal/node/624
[21:21] <ScottK> We need to get digikam 2.0 at least.
[21:31] <BarkingFish> !info ttf-me-quran
[21:31] <BarkingFish> oh whoop... this is good.  I need that for a program I'm wanting to run, it's listed as a depend and we don't have it packaged :)
[21:33] <lunarcloud> hey guys, I can't talk much at the moment, but I wanted to report back where I was with the release announcements.
[21:33] <lunarcloud> i've done some work on the beta 2 announcement in the wiki
[21:33] <lunarcloud> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta2/Kubuntu
[21:33] <lunarcloud> and i've got a draft of the release announcement on google docs
[21:33] <lunarcloud> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0tjlWrnTVqpZNbrGbJYzNXWMUASBwZ3zZs__SFEdgU/edit?hl=en_US
[21:33] <lunarcloud> let me know what you think. I'm off and on with irc - but email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is always a good way to reach me.
[21:33] <lunarcloud> ttyl :)
[21:35] <apachelogger> lunarcloud: cool
[21:35] <apachelogger> lunarcloud: but why not write it on the wiki directly? :)
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I see you will be attending after all. :P
[21:35] <apachelogger> attending who?
[21:36] <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-P
[21:36] <lunarcloud> yea, not a bad idea - i wasn't sure of what to do for that because It's intended for the website's release announcement.
[21:36] <lunarcloud> I thought that was separate from the wiki stuff as it's more official
[21:37] <apachelogger> lunarcloud: we traditionally do not put beta announcements on the website direclty
[21:37] <apachelogger> or alpha and rc for that matter
[21:37]  * apachelogger is not quite sure why
[21:37] <lunarcloud> no, the first one is the beta 2 one, which is on the website
[21:37] <lunarcloud> the second is what's intended for release
[21:37] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: which raises the question whom I get to spoon with
[21:37] <lunarcloud> lol
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: have you registered on LP yet?
[21:38] <lunarcloud> yea
[21:38] <lunarcloud> ~lunarcloud
[21:38] <lunarcloud> https://launchpad.net/~lunarcloud
[21:38] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I dunno where
[21:39] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: http://uds.ubuntu.com/register
[21:39] <DarkwingDuck> If you want me a roomie, I didn't request anyone :P:P
[21:39] <lunarcloud> oh, sorry - launchpad thing intended for other. getting used to irc...
[21:40] <lunarcloud> but yes, the other document isn't on the wiki because the release announcement is on the website directly and i don't have a process for that
[21:42] <lunarcloud> apachelogger: is the google doc an okay place for the final release announcement - or is there a more typical place?
[21:45] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I think we should have a competition on who gets to room with me
[21:47] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: what do I do on that page if I do not have no travel info yet?
[21:49] <lunarcloud> apachelogger: well, until a better place for it is found - my proposed final release announcement is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H0tjlWrnTVqpZNbrGbJYzNXWMUASBwZ3zZs__SFEdgU/edit?hl=en_US
[21:49] <lunarcloud> apachelogger: and this internet connection is really wonky
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> Ahhh, righto
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I would wait till after you have you flight info
[21:50] <apachelogger> kk
[21:50] <apachelogger> gives us time to work on the roomie competition :P
[21:51] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[21:51] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: you know who else from Kubuntu is planning on being there?
[21:51] <DarkwingDuck> I know Riddell will be there.
[21:52] <apachelogger> valorie I think
[21:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan depends on whether he will get a visa IIRC
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> jussi and ScottK wont be able to make it
[21:52] <apachelogger> no scott? :O
[21:52] <apachelogger> zomg
[21:53] <apachelogger> great, so I need to find a new drinking partner too :S
[22:18] <jmichaelx> i just installed a round of kde 4.6.5 updates from the kubuntu ppa, which totally hosed my desktop. would anyone here know anything about this?
[22:22] <jmichaelx> also, this is not the first time i've had my desktop trashed by kubuntu ppa updates.... is there any testing done with these updates before they are rolled out? sometimes it sure does not seem like it
[22:23] <ScottK> jmichaelx: Looks like bambee is your person.  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1940627/+listing-archive-extra
[22:23] <jmichaelx> ScottK: ty
[22:23] <ScottK> That said, the patch was from the upstream kwin developer and so I'd be suprised if that was really it.
[22:24] <bambee> jmichaelx: what is your problem exactly?
[22:24] <ScottK> In fact it looks like it would have zero effect if effects are disabled.
[22:24] <ScottK> jmichaelx: Do you still have problems if desktop effects are disabled?
[22:24] <jmichaelx> bambee: i installed the updates to 4.6.5 from the kubuntu ppa a few hours ago, and now my kde desktop is basically gone
[22:25] <jmichaelx> ScottK: i have no way to enable them/disable them now... no way to get to menu
[22:25] <ScottK> Well they will generally disable themselves if there are problems, so I doubt that's it.
[22:26] <jmichaelx> i could edit the config file... but it is saying it cannot find any widgets.... desktop view, etc
[22:26] <jmichaelx> i have no panel, no background, although there are black boxes where widgets should be
[22:26] <ScottK> Wild.
[22:27] <jmichaelx> strangely though, yakuake works, lol
[22:27] <jmichaelx> and has transparency
[22:27] <bambee> jmichaelx: does krun (ALT+F2) work?
[22:27] <jmichaelx> bambee: i will have to fire the machine back up to check... will let you know here in several minutes
[22:28] <bambee> it works just fine on my laptop o.O
[22:29] <jmichaelx> bambee: and you are running 4.6.5?
[22:29] <bambee> yes
[22:29] <bambee> my laptop is on natty and uses kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[22:30] <jmichaelx> bambee: same here
[22:30] <jmichaelx> yes,krunner works
[22:34] <jmichaelx> bambee: was there something you were thinking i should tryto start in krunner? like i said, i also have yakuake terminal
[22:35] <bambee> nothing weird in ~/.xsession-errors?
[22:36] <jmichaelx> lemme check
[22:36] <ScottK> So to answer your first question, he did test it ...
[22:37] <ScottK> Also what type of video? Intel/Nvidia/ATI?
[22:37] <jmichaelx> ScottK: intel
[22:39] <jmichaelx> bambee: there are tons of problems being reported in .xsession-errors
[22:39] <bambee> jmichaelx: could you paste it ? (use pastebinit)
[22:39] <bambee> please
[22:40] <jmichaelx> bambee: a lot of messages saying that icons not found, wallpapers not found, containment not found, etc
[22:40] <bambee> does not make sense, assuming kwin effects are broken it should at least disable compositing... :\
[22:40] <jmichaelx> bambee: grrr... i would, although i have no network access on this thing atm
[22:41] <jmichaelx> bambee: like i said, it looks like kwin effects are working. yakuake and krunner both have transparency
[22:41] <bambee> o.O
[22:41] <ScottK> I think you have another problem and it's only co-incidence the kwin change hit today.
[22:41] <ScottK> We should figure it out though.
[22:41] <bambee> plasma probably...
[22:42] <bambee> jmichaelx: can you start plasma-desktop by hand from yakuake?
[22:42] <bambee> (assuming you use plasma-desktop)
[22:49] <bambee> jmichaelx: ?
[22:52] <Guest19615> bambee: this is jmichaelx. here is my .xsession-errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689582/
[22:54] <jmichaelx> bambee: i can try that. fortunately i have lxde installed on this laptop as well, so was able to get network there
[22:56] <bambee> KServiceTypeTrader is borked apparently
[22:57] <jmichaelx> bambee: i ran 'plasma-desktop'. nothing happened
[22:58] <bambee> apachelogger: opinion?
[22:58] <apachelogger> file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/extras/ListDelegate.qml:49: Unable to assign [undefined] to QString text
[22:58] <apachelogger> all I have opinions about
[22:58] <jmichaelx> something new breaks for me in kde nearly every day... although most of my complaints have to do with kde4.7
[22:58] <apachelogger> if someone were to provide a summary of what I should have an opinion on that would probably help the opinionism
[22:58] <bambee> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689582/
[22:59] <bambee> jmichaelx: pasted his ~/.xsession-errors and it's http://paste.ubuntu.com/689582/
[22:59]  * jmichaelx hates kde 4.7
[22:59] <bambee> nothing works
[22:59] <bambee> on natty
[23:00] <apachelogger> eh
[23:00] <apachelogger> this all seems royally fckd
[23:00] <jmichaelx> lol
[23:01] <apachelogger> rm -rf ~/.kde/cache-*
[23:01] <jmichaelx> ok
[23:01] <apachelogger> best run kbuildsycoca4 after that
[23:01] <apachelogger> see if that throws suspicious warnings
[23:02] <apachelogger> bambee: are you coming to UDS?
[23:06] <bambee> apachelogger: don't know yet, I start to work for my employer the 1st october... I cannot really go on vacations the 31th october :\
[23:07]  * apachelogger doesn't see why TBH
[23:07] <apachelogger> might be a french thing
[23:09] <jmichael_laptop> apachelogger: bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689591/
[23:10] <apachelogger> eh?
[23:10] <jmichaelx> yea, kbuildsycoca4 certainly threw a few errors
[23:10] <apachelogger> how can you ahve a ksycoca if you deleted the cache dir?
[23:10] <jmichaelx> dunno
[23:10] <apachelogger> oh, hold on, that might actually just have removed the link
[23:10] <apachelogger> fooey
[23:10] <jmichaelx> ahh
[23:10] <apachelogger> rm -rf /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER
[23:11] <apachelogger> or
[23:11] <apachelogger> rm -rf /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER/*
[23:11] <apachelogger> better yet
[23:11] <jmichaelx> ok, bbib
[23:14] <jmichaelx> apachelogger: that brough back much of my desktop.... although i have no panel (so no task manager/sys tray/etc)
[23:15] <apachelogger> kdebugdialog
[23:15] <apachelogger> turn on everything
[23:15] <apachelogger> log out
[23:15] <apachelogger> back in again
[23:15] <apachelogger> then paste your xession-errors
[23:15] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml.mp4
[23:18] <claydoh> apachelogger: can I get that for android?  ;)
[23:18] <apachelogger> no
[23:18] <claydoh> hmpf!
[23:19] <apachelogger> actually you could
[23:19] <apachelogger> its only using qt currently, so it is possible to deploy it in android
[23:19]  * claydoh has narrowed his android phone choices from 213427771 phones doown to 2
[23:19] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: oh, yeah, claydoh is attending
[23:20] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: also he did not add himself to the wiki page yet, so you should get the whip
[23:20] <claydoh> which page?
[23:20]  * claydoh scrolls back
[23:21] <apachelogger> the spec page I emailed about
[23:21] <claydoh> ahhh that is probably stick in the middle of literally 150 identical/duplicate emails on that account
[23:22] <claydoh> kmail2 is so fun sometimes
[23:22] <claydoh> make that 150*5 different messages
[23:24] <jmichael_laptop> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/689604/
[23:28] <claydoh> so who wants to be my roomie?
[23:29] <jmichaelx> lol
[23:37] <jmichaelx> ok, i just added a new panel, so all is at least working atm.... many thx for all the help
[23:49] <apachelogger> claydoh: we are having some entertainment competition to decide who gets to spoon with him
[23:49] <apachelogger> whom
[23:49]  * apachelogger really should go to bed
[23:49] <claydoh> spoon with whom?
[23:50] <apachelogger> yuz
[23:55] <claydoh> apachelogger: I am a big teddy bear I guess
[23:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:56] <apachelogger> I am a famous person :P
[23:56] <apachelogger> clearly I win
[23:57]  * apachelogger feels like his eyes might pop out any minute
[23:59] <apachelogger> also I just broke my plasma


[02:46] <jiibus-M> Anyone ever use the KDE Connect camera function? I see it as a plugin... but I have no idea how it works or how to utilize it
[03:11] <Dragnslcr> jiibus-M- looks like it has the phone take a photo and immediately copy it to the computer. I can't find how to activate it, though.
[03:12] <jiibus-M> Yea same. Nothing in the wiki article about the plugin either
[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
 guys if install ppa from of some website that not popular its makes my os crash or hack?
 and do we have scanner to scan them?
 @erfan_sta, That risk assessment is on you. It also depends on how valuable you as a target are, or how sensitive is what you have on your computer.
[09:37] <peppefailla> hello
[12:04] <Guest10535> Hi.  I recently burned over 5 copies of the LTS DVD; now I've finally got my box working, but even though I installed it, it failed to load.
[12:04] <Guest10535> Someone's been interfering in my small business operation deliberately in ways they wouldn't treat a FLASH DRIVE or BLANK DVD.  I apologize but it's disgraceful.
[12:05] <Guest10535> Right now I was going to gather some toys for giving to fellow orphans et cetera.   I'm a minister, & this is absurd ad nauseum
[12:10] <Guest10535> At this point I'm ready to love America at a distance & go back to Africa, where I can eat & play with fellow orphans.
[12:27] <star> Hi, is this a german or an english channel?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:31] <Maik> star: english
[12:32] <Maik> if you need a German channel
[12:32] <Maik> !de
[12:33] <Guest10535> Ever since Windows 10 was dis-marketed, which I usually would use for my gaming tower, I have to use Ubuntu.  Which is awesome.  How can I make sure I can install it on my damaged Alienware tower I currently have?
[12:33] <Guest10535> *Both are awesome, Windows & Ubuntu.
[12:34] <Guest10535> Sorry, just a little P.O.'d about the situation as of yet.
[12:35] <Maik> Guest10535: Kubuntu or Ubuntu...?
[12:35] <Maik> if Ubuntu join #ubuntu
[12:35] <Maik> this is the Kubuntu support channel after all
[12:37] <Guest10535> Why did you think I ended up here?  Of course I'm running Kubuntu :P
[12:38] <Guest10535> *eat with & play with
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Guest10535, so you're using Konversation ?
[12:39] <Guest10535> Yes.
[12:39] <Guest10535> I don't want to eat orphans :|
[12:39] <BluesKaj> then it's default
[12:39] <Guest10535> I just installed it, & now it won't boot up so I have to use a DVD apparently.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> black screen?
[12:41] <Guest10535> Oh I'll just pay some techie or hacker to get it working again.  Thanks for both everything & nothing!  Uh...  No, it shows "enter in somthing or other or press a key or something" like that...  I've gotta bounce!
[13:57] <alf1975> [14:42] <alf1975> any problem with Trackmania United ?
[13:57] <alf1975> [14:42] <alf1975> The original still on internet ?
[13:57] <alf1975> [14:44] <alf1975> You can download the original from here : https://www.trackmaniaforever.com/
[13:57] <alf1975> [14:46] <alf1975> the game freezes in the globe ?
[13:57] <alf1975> [14:46] <alf1975> change the settings of your firewall
[13:57] <alf1975> [14:46] <alf1975> unlock port 2350 and port 3450
[14:13] <Maik> alf1975: not shure where you posted this before but please do not cross post
[14:14] <Maik> alf1975: and if you don't have a actual Kubuntu support question then please go to offtopic as we told you more than enough now.
[14:14] <Maik> also don't copy/paste multiple lines in the channel
[14:26] <alf1975> ok
[16:58] <user|28732> Hello, I should want to install Kubuntu without grub. How can I do this?
[17:01] <Maik> you can't afaik
[17:03] <user|28732> Ok, so it's impossible :-(
[17:08] <krytarik> Pretty sure there is an option for that in the installer - not sure if only when one picks manual partitioning or always though.
[17:42] <koffeinfriedhof> user|28732: call `ubiquity -b` in the liveusb-session
[17:51] <user|28732> There is no option for grub with manuel partioning or other ways. It's very strange! Linux: make your install like you want, they say!
[17:53] <user|28732> I'm going to try with 'ubiquity -b' in live session.
[19:09] <alf1975> update do Ubuntu é feito pelos servidores do Software Update ???? fiz um geoiplookup e não é correcto o que dizem ...
[19:10] <Maik> !es | alf1975
[19:11] <Maik> when do you learn....?
[19:13] <alf1975> british
[19:13] <alf1975> and spanish
[19:13] <alf1975> sorry
[19:14] <Maik> alf1975: you never seem to ask for real support or anything else, just random stuff which is getting annoying :)
[19:14] <Maik> alf1975: what is your native language?
[19:15] <Maik> if spanish the join the channel as mentioned before which would make it easier for you to communicate ;)
[19:15] <Maik> the/then
[19:30] <alf1975> i've played Jerischo in q4wine, Kubuntu  flavour ...
[19:30] <alf1975> support for cuda in Nvidia driver ???
[19:30] <alf1975> for Kubuntu/Ubuntu


[10:12] <Rhonda> Hmm. Wasn't there some machine readable release metadata file, or am I just thinking of something that Debian offers.
[10:23] <RikMills> Rhonda: you mean the file at https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ ?
[10:33] <Rhonda> RikMills: These look nice, thanks for the link, but seemingly not really updated for the mantic release?
[10:34] <Rhonda> The meta-release-development file in there still has lunar, which is even more confusing.
[10:36] <RikMills> we also don't have a name for NN yet
[10:38] <Rhonda> RikMills: That was the reason to look, but the state of the files looks also confusing. 🙃
[11:00] <Unit193> Naughty Newt?
[11:02] <Rhonda> Unit193: numb narwhal 🫠
[11:03] <RikMills> nutty numbat
[11:04] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: distro-info-data is kept up to date with Ubuntu releases
[11:04] <tumbleweed> (when they finally get named)
[11:06] <RikMills> also when LP admins create the new series, it will appear at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+series
[11:06] <Unit193> Next 'Q' should really be Quokka.  distro-info-data is usually kept pretty up to date in Debian, and if not uploaded yet it's usually in git.
[11:15] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: Right, I also was on salsa to look for that already.  xD
[11:16] <Rhonda> Unit193: Why can't it be queer?
[11:21] <Unit193> Quokka is an animal.
[11:25] <Rhonda> ah, so it could be queer quokka? works for me
[11:25] <Rhonda> such a cutie!!!


[05:10] <mborzecki> morning
[05:25] <zyga> Hey hey
[05:25] <zyga> Janek just got on the bus to school
[05:26] <zyga> His “first” rainy morning
[06:10] <zyga> bedna: hello
[06:10] <zyga> bedna: it may be possible to add support for snaps that don't use services
[06:11] <zyga> bedna: but I think services would be extremely difficult to support, in general
[06:23] <mborzecki> FYI seems like apparmor userspace will land in community arch repo, it's in community-testing atm
[06:24] <zyga> mborzecki: question about https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5378/files
[06:24] <mup> PR #5378: dirs: improve identification of Arch Linux like systems <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5378>
[06:24] <zyga> does arch set ID_LIKE=archlinux
[06:24] <mborzecki> zyga: yes
[06:24] <zyga> ah, ok
[06:25] <mborzecki> antergos was off on this
[06:25] <mborzecki> don't remember what manjaro does
[06:25] <mborzecki> or maybe we had explicit check for manjaro?
[06:27] <zyga> I don't know either
[06:27] <zyga> I wonder if anyone wants to review https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5802
[06:27] <mup> PR #5802: cmd/snap-update-ns: introduce trespassing state tracking <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5802>
[06:28] <mborzecki> zyga: i did already :)
[06:28] <zyga> I know :)
[06:28] <zyga> thank you :)
[06:28] <mborzecki> mvo if off today
[06:29] <zyga> ooh right
[06:29] <mborzecki> maybe john/pawel
[06:29] <mborzecki> idk about pedronis, whether he's off too
[06:29] <zyga> I think chipaca should review it as we need to discuss how to merge it to osutils
[06:29] <zyga> I actually could get a day off too
[06:29] <zyga> to prepare for the trip,
[06:29] <mborzecki> ok
[06:29] <zyga> I need to buy a SSD
[06:29] <zyga> to fit into the bracket mvo is packing
[06:29] <zyga> ...
[06:30] <zyga> I will remind mvo just in case
[06:34] <mborzecki> i think i'll take a day or 2 swap days afer the trip to make up for the half-weekends, it's the only time you can actually do anything takign more than 1h
[06:34] <zyga> yeah
[06:34] <mborzecki> and there's a sports event at school on tue which i'll miss :/
[06:59] <mup> PR snapd#5830 opened: packaging/arch: sync packaging with AUR <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5830>
[06:59] <mborzecki> zyga ^^
[07:00] <zyga> thanks
[07:02] <mborzecki> hm we seem to have explicit checks for arch, manjaro and antergos https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/dirs/dirs.go#L200
[07:02] <zyga> indeed
[07:02] <zyga> that's why I asked
[07:02] <zyga> because that code uses DistroLike
[07:02] <zyga> and the condition changed
[07:03] <mborzecki> zyga: but DistroLike looks at ID as well
[07:03] <zyga> mhm
[07:03] <mborzecki> iirc it's ID == this || in list of ID_LIKE
[07:04] <zyga> correct
[07:04] <mborzecki> yup, it's 	if ReleaseInfo.ID == distro || strutil.ListContains(ReleaseInfo.IDLike, distro)
[07:04] <mborzecki> arch works for us either way, and so does the rest
[07:05] <mborzecki> eli's PR has landed, so antergos in should end up with ID_LIKE=arch too
[07:06] <jamesh> zyga: I managed to get some spread tests for user mode systemd daemons that works on all but three distros under spread
[07:07] <zyga> jamesh: hey, that's great!
[07:07] <zyga> which three are problematic?
[07:07] <jamesh> zyga: it turns out "systemctl start<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does the trick provided you've got a new enough systemd
[07:07] <jamesh> to get the user instance running
[07:08] <mborzecki> heh nice
[07:08] <mborzecki> jamesh: and then systemctl --user for that user works?
[07:08] <jamesh> mborzecki: yes, provided you run it with the correct UID and have XDG_RUNTIME_DIR set
[07:09] <mborzecki> nice
[07:09] <jamesh> (the latter so it can find the user insrtance socket)
[07:09] <mborzecki> mhm
[07:09] <pstolowski> morning
[07:10] <zyga> good morning
[07:10] <zyga> all set for the trip?
[07:11]  * zyga afk for a sec
[07:12] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey hey
[07:40] <pstolowski> Mount snap "test-snapd-control-consumer" (2) ([start var-lib-snapd-snap-test\x2dsnapd\x2dcontrol\x2dconsumer-2.mount] failed with exit status 1: Job for var-lib-snapd-snap-test\x2dsnapd\x2dcontrol\x2dconsumer-2.mount failed
[07:40] <pstolowski> again in the spread tests, grr
[07:41] <mborzecki> heh
[07:41] <mborzecki> maybe we could do some brainstorming about that while at the sprint
[07:41] <pstolowski> i wish we had a short sprint focused on stabilization of the tests
[07:52] <zyga> I think we should land https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5807
[07:52] <mup> PR #5807: interfaces: extra argument for static attrs in NewConnectedPlug/NewConnectedSlot <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5807>
[07:54] <mborzecki> yeah, good idea, touches many files, easy to get into conflicts with other code
[08:18] <mup> PR snapd#5830 closed: packaging/arch: sync packaging with AUR <Simple> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5830>
[08:52] <pedronis> I see, thre is some test(s) in cmd/snap tests that leaves behind ~/snap/snapname for real
[08:52] <pstolowski> zyga, mborzecki can you take a look at this trivial https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5829?
[08:52] <mup> PR #5829: tests: use lxd's waitready instead of polling lxd socket <Simple> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5829>
[08:52] <mborzecki> looking
[08:53] <pstolowski> zyga: thanks, will fix the newline
[08:53] <pstolowski> now
[08:59] <mborzecki> pstolowski: do you know if wait_ready is in lxd stable too?
[09:05] <pstolowski> mborzecki: i've just installed lxd on my 18.04, it's still a deb version and it has it if that means anything?
[09:05]  * zyga tries to recall how to use quilt
[09:06] <zyga> I have a patch for qt for the statx issue
[09:06] <zyga> but man,... packaging
[09:06] <mborzecki> pstolowski: thanks, just curious, in case we use lxd from stable in some test and need it
[09:11] <Chipaca> zyga: whoa, qt easier to patch than the rest of it?
[09:11] <pstolowski> mborzecki: ah, i misunderstood your questions; you meant channels
[09:11] <pstolowski> mborzecki: let me check
[09:11] <zyga> Chipaca: yes
[09:11] <zyga> Chipaca: though we're progressing on the "rest of it" aspect
[09:11] <Chipaca> zyga: whoa
[09:12] <Chipaca> zyga: is this going to work for thresh, though? I thought they were using qt from a ppa
[09:12] <zyga> nope
[09:12] <zyga> but it's a low hanging fruit
[09:12] <Chipaca> one of your five-a-day!
[09:13] <pstolowski> mborzecki: yes, lxd from stable channel supports waitready
[09:14] <mborzecki> pstolowski: thx
[09:17] <thresh> :)
[09:24] <om26er> How do you "unrelease" a snap ? We have a snap whose "beta" channel have a very old version and we currently don't want to expose a new revision to the users in the beta channel. How do we remove that ?
[09:24] <zyga> close the channel
[09:25] <om26er> zyga: super, I was looking for `snapcraft unrelease`, didn't know there was a `close` command.
[09:26] <mborzecki> hm snapstate tests should be run with -count=10 and some random sleep between ootb
[09:26] <om26er> So now we need parallel installs because our crossbar snap has two variants (cpy3 vs pypy) and would be cool to have both installed at the same time, instead of having different snap names.
[09:26] <zyga> mborzecki: because raciness?
[09:26] <zyga> om26er: it's coming :)
[09:26] <mborzecki> zyga: or some crazy map iteration thing
[09:27] <zyga> hmmm
[09:27] <zyga> building qt on one core out of 8
[09:27] <zyga> :/
[09:27] <zyga> well
[09:27] <zyga> at less I'll get my debdiff
[09:28] <mborzecki> zyga: parallel builds explicitly disabled or you forgot a switch?
[09:28] <zyga> I don't know
[09:28] <zyga> it's not default
[09:28] <zyga> so maybe there's some switch
[09:28] <zyga> but meh :/
[09:28] <zyga> crappy defaults
[09:31] <zyga> mborzecki: ha
[09:32] <zyga> I was -j16
[09:32] <zyga> but I need more ram
[09:32] <zyga> c++
[09:32]  * zyga adds more ram to the VM
[09:32] <mborzecki> hahaha
[09:33] <pstolowski> noo i shouldn't have touched these newlines, now travis hates me again
[09:33] <zyga> the build process crashes because apparently 4GB is insufficient
[09:33] <mborzecki> zyga: can't you do that in systemd-nspawned chroot?
[09:33] <zyga> (for compiling, let alone linking)
[09:33] <zyga> mborzecki: the whole OS is a vm
[09:33] <zyga> I'm not running natively
[09:33] <mborzecki> aah you're on mac
[09:33] <zyga> yeah
[09:34] <zyga> ok, while this builds I can hack on a laptop
[09:38]  * Chipaca looks at what he's wrought so far, and goes for more coffee
[09:45]  * Chipaca pushes a PR before the coffee
[09:45] <mup> PR snapd#5831 opened: client, cmd/snap: on !linux, exit when the client tries to Do something <Simple> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5831>
[09:45] <Chipaca> ^^ if you could give it a look as my next pr would build on it ^^
[09:55] <zyga> sure
[09:55]  * zyga figured out a way to update seccomp filters on the fly
[09:57] <zyga> Chipaca: done
[09:59] <Chipaca> zyga: getting some good feedback from pedronis also
[09:59] <Chipaca> thank you
[10:09] <mup> PR snapd#5807 closed: interfaces: extra argument for static attrs in NewConnectedPlug/NewConnectedSlot <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5807>
[10:10] <mup> PR snapd#5762 closed: ifacestate: don't initialize udev monitor until we have a system snap <Hotplug> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5762>
[10:25] <Chipaca> zyga: pstolowski: (pedronis): I changed the approach in that simple PR; it's a lot nicer now
[10:25] <pstolowski> Chipaca: k, looking
[10:27] <pstolowski> Chipaca: ah, runtime check, that's much nicer indeed
[10:29] <pstolowski> +1 once again
[10:29] <Chipaca> pstolowski: thanks!
[10:32] <Chipaca> https://mobile.twitter.com/Caged/status/1039937162769096704
[10:40] <pstolowski> lol, so true
[10:40] <Chipaca> if you have a struct { client *client.Client }, that just holds the client and nothing else, what would you call it? clientHolder?
[10:40] <Chipaca> yeOldeClientBag?
[10:40] <Chipaca> clientHolder sounds like something that'd have a clientHold method
[10:41] <zyga> Chipaca: store
[10:41] <zyga> Chipaca: ;)
[10:41] <zyga> or guard
[10:41] <zyga> it just holds the client
[10:41] <pstolowski> clientContainer
[10:42] <zyga> Chipaca: maybe if you tell us why you want that
[10:42] <zyga> is it a proxy?
[10:42] <zyga> client future?
[10:42] <Chipaca> zyga: a mixin
[10:42] <Chipaca> to be embedded in any cmdFoo that needs a client
[10:42] <zyga> ClientIncluded5PercentOffBuyNow
[10:42]  * zyga stops being silly
[10:42]  * Chipaca throws plushies at zyga
[10:43] <pstolowski> clientWrapper
[10:43] <Chipaca> i like clientContainer best, so far
[10:43] <zyga> type interface Clienter { Client() *Client }
[10:44] <pstolowski> Chipaca: 5% interest rate if you make any profit of it
[10:44] <Chipaca> pstolowski: ok
[10:45] <zyga> Chipaca: how about just clientMixin?
[10:47] <Chipaca> zyga: that might be clearer overall
[10:47] <Chipaca> and cheaper also
[10:49] <pstolowski> #5829 anyone? trivial and needs 2nd review
[10:50] <mup> PR #5829: tests: use lxd's waitready instead of polling lxd socket <Simple> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5829>
[10:55] <zyga> me
[10:56] <zyga> +1
[10:56] <pstolowski> thx
[10:56] <mup> PR snapd#5829 closed: tests: use lxd's waitready instead of polling lxd socket <Simple> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5829>
[11:00] <zyga> Chipaca: do you think you will have time to look at the trespassing fix PR
[11:00] <Chipaca> zyga: I don't think I'll have time today unless it's urgent
[11:01] <Chipaca> zyga: which is the pr?
[11:01] <zyga> one sec
[11:01] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5802
[11:01] <mup> PR #5802: cmd/snap-update-ns: introduce trespassing state tracking <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5802>
[11:03]  * zyga -> coffee
[11:17] <mup> PR snapd#5826 closed: tests: refactor for nested suite and tests fixed <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5826>
[11:17] <pstolowski> Chipaca: #5831 can old, or are you still tinkering with it?
[11:17] <mup> PR #5831: client, cmd/snap: on !linux, exit when the client tries to Do something <Simple> <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5831>
[11:19] <Chipaca> green already?
[11:19] <Chipaca> greyback: purple now :-)
[11:19] <mup> PR snapd#5831 closed: client, cmd/snap: on !linux, exit when the client tries to Do something <Simple> <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5831>
[11:20] <pstolowski> wow, the day of landings today
[11:20]  * Chipaca -> lunch and such
[11:28] <zyga> pstolowski: before a day of takeoffs :)
[11:29] <pstolowski> indeed ;)
[11:42] <mup> PR snapd#5832 opened: [RFC] overlord/{snapstate,assertstate}: parallel instances and refresh validation <Parallel installs> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5832>
[11:43] <mborzecki> pedronis: ^^ i was totally unfamiliar with this area, hopefully didn't do anything stupid there
[11:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#2218 closed: yaml: replace yaml.safe_load() with CSafeLoader <Created by chipaca> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2218>
[11:50] <mborzecki> off to pick up the kids
[12:01] <mup> PR snapcraft#2271 closed: reporting: fail gracefully on submit errors <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2271>
[12:03] <mup> PR snapd#5833 opened: asserts,interfaces/policy: add support for on-store/on-brand/on-model plug/slut rule constraints <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5833>
[12:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#2270 closed: catkin, rosdep: stop using FileNotFoundErrors <Created by kyrofa> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2270>
[12:38] <mborzecki> re
[12:39] <mborzecki> opesuse mirrors returning empty responses again :/
[12:52] <Son_Goku> mborzecki, this is why I use the openSUSE metalink instead of the redirector URL
[12:52] <Son_Goku> unfortunately, I'm not sure how well zypper supports the metalink (I use dnf with openSUSE nowadays...)
[12:53] <zyga> I think we're just complaining when distribution archive is not working
[12:53] <zyga> regardless of why
[12:53] <Son_Goku> the redirector is kind of dumb
[12:53] <Son_Goku> and because it only passes one URL, the package manager can't fall back to another mirror easily
[12:54] <Son_Goku> whereas when using the metalink, it can actually do that
[12:54] <Son_Goku> I think I recently saw some commits go into libzypp about metadata download handling, which makes me think it might have been broken before :/
[12:54] <mborzecki> hm
[12:55] <mborzecki> hopefully it'll be fixed soon
[12:55] <mborzecki> and then we'll complain again in a month or so :)
[12:55] <Son_Goku> haha
[12:55] <mborzecki> didn't know dnf was supported in opensuse
[12:55] <Son_Goku> DNF is available in openSUSE since Leap 15.0
[12:56] <mborzecki> nice
[12:56] <mborzecki> Son_Goku: btw. do you remember that other package manager in fedora that happnend sort of between yum and dnf time wise, iirc it was written in c
[12:56] <pedronis> mborzecki: I saw your RFC PR, not sure I will get to it today
[12:57] <mborzecki> pedronis: no worries, we can do it next week
[12:57] <Son_Goku> mborzecki: you're talking about zif
[12:57] <Son_Goku> mborzecki: https://github.com/hughsie/zif
[12:57] <mborzecki> Son_Goku: ah zif right, is it dead?
[12:57] <Son_Goku> it became hawkey, which is now libdnf
[12:57] <mborzecki> oh it is
[12:58] <Son_Goku> microdnf is another lightweight C implementation of DNF: https://github.com/rpm-software-management/microdnf
[13:02] <Son_Goku> mborzecki, VMware wrote their own C implementation of DNF called "tdnf" for VMware Photon, but it's kind of broken :(
[13:02] <zyga> mborzecki: standup
[13:38] <pedronis> pstolowski: did you land your changes to NewConnectedPlug/Slot ?
[13:39] <mup> PR snapd#5834 opened: cmd/snap: commands no longer build their own client <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5834>
[13:39] <Chipaca> ^^ very long :-( but repetitive :-) pure refactor PR I'll be basing snap warnings on
[13:40] <pstolowski> pedronis: yes
[13:41] <pedronis> ok, makes sense, I need to fix my PR
[13:43] <zyga> man, that's really long
[13:58] <mup> PR snapcraft#2273 opened: build providers: use the best CPU configuration <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2273>
[14:52] <mup> PR snapcraft#2274 opened: snap: use a newer PyYAML and drop patches <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2274>
[14:55] <mup> PR snapcraft#2272 closed: meta: friendlier message for incorrect app command <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2272>
[17:39] <kyrofa> Trevinho, you around?
[17:41] <mup> PR snapcraft#2275 opened: build providers: use the provider if exported <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2275>
[17:42] <kyrofa> kenvandine, Trevinho finally figured out how to reliably trigger that odd "firefox windows show up under slack icon" issue
[17:42] <kyrofa> kenvandine, Trevinho close Firefox. Open slack snap. Click a link in slack, which fires up Firefox. Notice Firefox now shows up under the slack icon, not Firefox
[17:42] <kenvandine> oh
[17:43] <kyrofa> Might be xdg-open-related
[17:48] <kyrofa> If firefox was already running before clicking the link in slack, it works as expected
[17:49] <kenvandine> kyrofa, maybe something leaking in the env?
[18:13] <kenvandine> jdstrand, could you please ack the dbus slot for gnome-calendar so I can get the strict snap into the edge channel?
[19:06] <jdstrand> kenvandine: I thought I did that before. I'll take a look
[19:06] <kenvandine> jdstrand, that was gnome-contacts :)
[19:06] <kenvandine> getting them both confined this week
[19:06] <kenvandine> jdstrand, and i just requested auto-connect for gnome-calendar as well
[19:40] <jdstrand> kenvandine: done. it's going through automated review now
[19:41] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thanks!


[00:54] <h00k> Cheesehead: just that I should send something reminding people to get one planned in their area
[01:11] <Cheesehead> I won;t be abot to organize it myself that week (much too busy for the next few weeks), but happy to help and likely to show up.
[01:15] <h00k> and email set.
[01:15] <h00k> that's fine, cool.
[01:15] <h00k> *sent
[01:18]  * Cheesehead just received an e-mail exhorting him to set up a Release Party
[01:25] <h00k> wooo!
[01:25] <h00k> that you did.
[01:25] <h00k> That should give people enough tools about hosting one
[02:08]  * Cheesehead looks over the LoCo membership list in Launchpad.
[14:22] <h00k> Cheesehead: I just looked that over yesterday, yeah
[14:22] <h00k> it's more accurate now
[14:22] <h00k> Cheesehead: because everone that's around actually renewed.
[14:35] <h00k> woo.
[14:35] <h00k> spam spam spam.
[15:08] <lostson> well why wouldnt we ?
[15:18] <h00k> lostson: wouldn't we what?
[15:37] <lostson> h00k: renew
[15:39] <h00k> lostson: oh. Yeah!
[17:27]  * Cheesehead just received an e-mail exhorting him to join the mailing list.


[14:58] <cmaloney> morning
[15:05] <brousch__> so far
[15:13] <SneakyPhil> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
[16:55] <greg-g> Excuse me while I not care about Wikileaks anymore ;)
[17:02] <brousch__> How did they piss you off?
[17:03] <greg-g> being political partisan hacks (in the "shitty" sense of the word, not "cracking")
[17:11] <jrwren> information wants to be free.
[17:13] <cmaloney> Then why does information need to have ads?
[17:14] <jrwren> exactly
[17:15] <jrwren> is wikileaks pubs filled with ads?
[18:11] <cmaloney> no idea
[18:25] <jrwren> missed opportunity


[04:44] <govatent> guys. i found the most amazing distro ever. based on kubuntu. the url gives it away. http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
[06:35] <DarKnight2012> I'm building a package that requires Bullet as an dependence
[06:35] <DarKnight2012> I've installed Bullet using this http://code.google.com/p/bullet/downloads/detail?name=bullet-2.79-rev2440.tgz&can=2&q=
[06:36] <DarKnight2012> but still got error "Could not find Bullet"
[06:36] <DarKnight2012> here's the error: http://pastebin.com/8U8WzuVW
[06:36] <DarKnight2012> Here is the cmake file: http://pastebin.com/SWf6ckPM
[06:36] <DarKnight2012> can some one please suggest me how to fix the problem?
[13:46] <DammitJim> what do you guys like to use to share documents in a corporate environment?
[13:53] <svwilliams> DammitJim, google docs
[13:54] <svwilliams> well we're not corporate we're educational
[13:54] <DammitJim> understood
[13:54] <DammitJim> using google docs is probably easier than setting up our own wiki website
[13:55] <svwilliams> we have those because we use fusionforge for storing our projects but they are not as easy to use so people resort to google docs for quick shares
[13:55] <svwilliams> stuff that is saved for eternity often gets translated into the wiki
[14:06] <DammitJim> oh man, I just noticed that Google Docs limits you to 1GB
[14:06] <DammitJim> I didn't know that
[14:07] <maxolasersquad> One advantage of document sharing over Google Docs is that versioning is handled much better than storing Word docs in a centralized environment.
[14:08] <maxolasersquad> Also, people own the data they put in.  If someone makes a change it can be tracked down to the person who did it.
[14:09] <DammitJim> maxolasersquad, what document sharing are you refering to?
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> Sharing office docs with Google Docs.
[14:10] <DammitJim> oh... over like through, but not versus
[14:10] <DammitJim> ol
[14:10] <DammitJim> lol
[14:13] <maxolasersquad> Oh, yes.
[14:13] <maxolasersquad> Gnome3 has some pretty exciting Google Docs integration through gnome-docs.
[14:39] <maxolasersquad> http://live.gnome.org/Design/Apps/Documents
[17:53] <DammitJim> is ubuntu on a galaxy tab running natively or through chroot?
[19:13] <maxolasersquad> DammitJim: Are you referring to the demo Canonical did?
[19:13] <DammitJim> yeah
[19:13] <maxolasersquad> chroot
[19:14] <maxolasersquad> That's how they are able to have both Android and Ubuntu running at the same time.
[19:19] <DammitJim> oh ok, thanks


[01:37] <SpyMasterMatt> Can anyone tell me how I detect whether a text field is currently selected. It's for an on screen keyboard project I'm creating


[02:24] <skellat> xnox: I didn't see one that was Launchpad hosted.  My mistake.
[08:12] <xnox> skellat: installer team pre-dates launchpad =)
[09:24] <ockham> hi, i intended to SRU-fix bug #972466 for precise (beautifulsoup 4.0.2) using code from the 4.3.0 release
[09:24] <ockham> but it turns out the diff would be quite big, including API changes
[09:25] <ockham> (see my last comment at that bug report)
[09:25] <ockham> so how do i proceed?
[09:25] <ockham> would this still be ok for an SRU, or just too much?
[14:04] <hggdh> ockham: it would probably be too much. One other option would be a backport, but you must be careful with with dependencies
[14:04] <hggdh> (even more due to a change in version)
[14:04] <hggdh> which means SRU is out of question...


[12:01] <jibel> Hi pedro_, I've assigned you bug 698080, could you look at it when you have a minute.
[12:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 698080 in mago "NautilusBasics.test_zoom loops indefinitely when the toolbar is hidden (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/698080
[12:02] <pedro_> jibel, hello, yes i'll have a look to it
[12:02] <jibel> pedro_, cool, thanks
[12:02] <pedro_> you're welcome
[12:02] <jibel> pedro_, do you have any suggestion for basic tests for gwibber ?
[12:07] <pedro_> jibel, i was thinking in maybe adding some basic tests for the protocols that don't require auth trough a webkit instance ie identi.ca and do some checks for the preferences, etc
[12:08] <pedro_> jibel, and just leave aside the webkit view for now, but at least write some basic test for the other parts
[12:26] <pedro_> jibel, i'll work on something and propose a branch
[16:40] <victorp> bug 546732
[16:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 546732 in migration-assistant (Ubuntu) "Migration assistand wasn`t transfer bookmarks from Firefox 3.5.8 to Firefox 3.6 (affects: 1) (heat: 11)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546732
[21:48]  * bdmurray looks for a tester
[21:51] <highvoltage> bdmurray: for?
[21:52] <bdmurray> confirm a unity, natty screensaver issue I'm seeing
[21:59] <bdmurray> hggdh: ^
[22:01] <hggdh> what about?
[22:02] <bdmurray> if I lock my screen (Ctrl+alt+l) I still see my desktop and can move the cursor around but can't click anything until I unlock the screensaver
[22:05] <bdmurray> sorting out what was wrong took be a bit ;-)
[22:05] <bdmurray> s/be/me/
[22:12] <hggdh> bdmurray: confirmed
[22:13] <hggdh> full desktop is displayed, with the top panel also visible
[22:13]  * hggdh does not usually lock the keyboard
[22:14] <bdmurray> well I think it would happen if the screensaver kicked in via timeout too
[22:14] <bdmurray> s/would/does/
[22:14] <bdmurray> okay I'll report it
[22:14] <bdmurray> thanks!
[22:16] <hggdh> bdmurray: I am Home Alone, I disabled the timeout :-)
[22:22] <bdmurray> hggdh: being Home Alone is a reason to enable (based off the movie I saw)
[22:23] <sbeattie> Fear of a Macauley Culkin planet?
[22:23] <hggdh> I made sure my dogs are illiterate :-)
[22:25] <bdmurray> hggh: bug 698348
[22:25] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 698348 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "blank screensaver does not display (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/698348
[22:36] <bdmurray> hggdh: could you confirm it?
[22:42] <hggdh> bdmurray: trying to, getting hit by OOPS-1832L1877
[22:42] <ubot4`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1832L1877
[22:43] <hggdh> continuously...
[22:52] <hggdh> bdmurray: done, finally
[22:53] <bdmurray> hggdh: thanks


[15:56] <maco> UW session starting in #ubuntu-classroom in 5 minutes!
 questions and chat in #ubuntu-classroom-chat


[06:31] <scrub> hi
[06:32] <scrub> uh
[06:52] <guiverc> scrub, if you have a Xubuntu support question, please just ask it.  People will respond as they're able.
[17:51] <xu-help26w> Hello! Could you please help find hash sums for xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso in the latest release?
[17:54] <krytarik> xu-help26w: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/SHA256SUMS - which is now the only variant still getting updated.
[17:55] <xu-help26w> Thanks! Have a good one!
[17:55] <krytarik> You too!
[19:55] <curioususer> I'm having a really weird issue with my thunderbolt 3 docking station following the upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04.1. My usb mouse and keyboard just cease responding after 2-4 minutes regardless of activity, requiring me to unplug and plug them back in. I'm trying to collect some debugging data to try and figure out what might be causing this, but so
[19:55] <curioususer> far none of the logs I've collected say anything (kernel, dmesg, Xorg). My google searches haven't really helped since I'm not entirely sure how to narrow my search. Does anyone happen to know of any suggestions that might help me further deubg this problem or get some information out of a log somewhere?
[20:31] <christophergray> curioususer: I don't know how to debug this, but maybe booting from an older kernel will work better.


[01:11]  * pleia2 watches the ustream to find out ;)
[01:11] <pleia2> luckily he's doing it first!
[01:11] <pleia2> he even has a hat
[01:12] <pleia2> Caterina Brigandi
[01:15] <pleia2> oh right, link to the video is here: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/5337809
[01:33] <akgraner> finally all backed up and up dated :-)
[01:34] <akgraner> my machine is all growed up running lucid and I am LOVING the purple... I mean aubergine..yeah purple :-)
[01:36] <MichelleQ> it's purple.  :P
[01:37] <maco2> akgraner: if you want to say the same colour but sound american while doing it: eggplant
[01:38] <akgraner> I <3 any shade purple...  When I was in the hotel business every suit I wore had something purple about it and all my pens, folders, postits, etc were purple....
[01:40] <maco2> for me stuff tends to be either pink or red
[01:40] <maco2> though ive started wearing brown the last couple years
[01:40] <rww> my netbook is purple. lighter shade, though
[01:40] <maco2> rww: lilac? lavender?
[01:40] <akgraner> I just cleaned up my blog as well
[01:40] <rww> maco2: dunno, I'm not good at colors :)
[01:41] <rww> I'm running Xubuntu on Lucid right now. Not so much purple, but still awesome :)
[01:41] <maco2> i just got a friend request on facebook. dont think i know the person, but based on his name... he could be a 3rd or 4th cousin
[01:41] <maco2> (well his name and the location of his other family members on facebook, as i know my family passed through that area in the 1800s)
[01:41] <rww> maco2: Dell claims it's "Passion Purple" :D
[01:42] <maco2> rww: i see
[01:42] <rww> http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/inspnnb/inspnnb_highlights/laptop-inspiron-10-design2-purple.jpg
[01:45]  * MichelleQ wants a purple laptop
[01:59] <elky> http://i.dell.com/images/ap/billboards/notebooks_enaudhs2.jpg <-- just WHY?
[02:02] <maco2> im thiking dudes going "oooh sexy... hey, chicks dig nailpolish right? my wife'll love this!"
[02:11] <MichelleQ> you know, that'd be neat looking *without* the nailpolish thing.
[02:11] <MichelleQ> Gotta love corporate sponsorship tho.
[03:08] <akgraner> hey  - I gotta admit  - I’m Not Really a Waitress is my FAV Opi color :-) http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/direct2dell/archive/2009/11/03/opi-colors-now-available-in-dell-design-studio-that-s-la-paz-itively-hot.aspx
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[09:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:25] <czajkowski> marmite
[18:06] <akgraner> elky, thanks for posting the winner of the drawing yesterday :-)
[18:17] <pleia2> akgraner: are you going to mail the list with the update?
[18:17] <pleia2> (I updated the wiki)
[18:18] <akgraner> pleia2, yep, unless you want to - :-)
[18:18] <pleia2> I can do it, just didn't want to step on toes if you had something drafted already
[18:19] <akgraner> pleia2, no worries thanks
[19:59] <pendulum_> Umm... Should the topic be changed since voting is closed? Maybe have a link to the announcement of winners instead?
[20:04] <pleia2> thanks pendulum_ :)
[20:05] <pendulum_> You're welcome :)
[20:32] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum  how are you now?
[20:33] <Pendulum> tired
[20:33] <Pendulum> still in some pain, but a lot less than I was
[20:34] <Pendulum> not the most useful visit, but they've given me a few days worth of better pain release
[20:34] <Pendulum> *relief
[20:34] <AlanBell> progress at least
[20:35] <Pendulum> yes
[20:35] <Pendulum> although I'm pretty much now stuck in powerchair for a week as they don't want me using manual chair or crutches until I've seen the orthopaedist
[20:35] <Pendulum> which isn't end of the world, just inconvenient around my flat
[20:59] <maco2> uhhh
[20:59] <maco2> people.canonical.com and launchpadlibrarian.net are both making my computer unhappy. is this just me?
[21:00] <AlanBell> people.ubuntu.com works for me
[21:01] <maco2> AlanBell: canonical, not ubuntu, i think
[21:01] <maco2> i'm trying to use the rmadison coommand
[21:01] <AlanBell> ah ok
[21:02]  * AlanBell decides to read better next time
[21:26] <akgraner> elky thank you's sent and info request sent for all entries and winners
[21:28] <akgraner> I am fixing the labels in my email - oh this is time consuming but it has to be done :-/
[21:28] <maco2> akgraner: hehe i was just rewriting gmail filters so that my launchpad bugmail would be more sanely sorted
[21:29] <akgraner> yeah my listmail was no where near sane
[22:46] <elky> akgraner, pleia2 thanks :)