[01:16] <jj-afk> back on later
[01:48] <jk-> ogasawara: ping?
[02:25] <BenC> I just saw that Canonical was supposed to have a session at the Freescale Technology Forum, but it seems to have been canceled...sad :(
[02:36] <lifeless> the forum or the session?
[04:16] <ogasawara> jk-: pong
[04:16] <jk-> ogasawara: hey
[04:17] <jk-> just been looking though lucid git
[04:18] <jk-> bcbfc24ead6935714a001ab6f1f725763075f98c in particular - is this yours?
[04:20] <jk->  ( http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commitdiff;h=bcbfc24ead6935714a001ab6f1f725763075f98c )
[04:40] <ogasawara> jk-: indeed it appears that way as I'd signed off on it, however I'm slightly confused by the bug noted in the commit message
[04:40] <ogasawara> jk-: the commit for that bug should really be:
[04:40] <ogasawara> commit 5b4d91d21e6c3e57fdbd5b4c2354c6f98153a3f3
[04:40] <ogasawara> Author: Islam Amer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:40] <ogasawara> Date:   Thu Jun 24 13:39:47 2010 -0400
[04:40] <ogasawara>     (pre-stable) dell-wmi: Add support for eject key on Dell Studio 1555
[04:41] <jk-> ok, i'm confused now
[04:41] <jk-> that patch is for drivers/media/video/
[04:41] <jk-> ah, yeah, buglink is wrong
[04:41] <jk-> anyhow
[04:42] <jk-> there are a couple of changes that aren't IR-related
[04:43] <jk-> - to drivers/media/video/cx23885/cx23885-core.c
[04:43] <jk-> is this intentional?
[04:46] <ogasawara> jk-: I want to say yes but I'd likely need to go back and review the email thread to completely refresh my memory
[04:46] <jk-> ogasawara: probably getting late there, I can put this in an email to kernel-team if you prefer
[04:46] <jk-> I'll check the thread out.
[04:51] <ogasawara> jk-: Subject: "LIRC 0.8.7 Fixes for Maverick"
[04:52] <jk-> ogasawara: cool, thanks
[07:32] <bullgard4> Ich bin mit einer Natty-Live-CD unterwegs. Warum öffnet 'Alt+F2 > Run a command > gparted <Enter>' nicht GParted? Ebenso nicht das Klicken auf  auf das Symbol »gparted«?
[07:33] <bullgard4> Wie kann man in der Live-CD umschalten von Unity auf GNOME 2?
[07:34] <bullgard4> upps!  Currently using it for xen test but I got a desktop install on it too.
[09:02] <apw> smb, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/CVE-2011-0726-hardy/
[09:02] <ubot2> apw: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-0726)
[09:03] <YoBoY> hi
[09:03] <apw> smb, so we should expect the contents of /proc/<pid>/stat to have addresses 0'd out for stack, code start and code end
[09:03] <apw> with that kernel
[09:03] <apw> YoBoY, hi
[09:06] <YoBoY> last week I came here with a freeze problem on my computer on natty (since the release). I used ubuntu some days without effects like recommended and no freeze problem anymore. I also tried since yesterday the new 2.6.39 kernel and the freeze problem came back, any idea what I can try to correct that and keep visual effects on my computer ?
[09:08] <apw> YoBoY, there is nothing other than a hard hang?  you are unable to contact the machine over the network when it hangs ?
[09:10] <YoBoY> apw: I can go to a tty and restart gdm
[09:10] <apw> YoBoY, and things work find after restarting gdm ?
[09:10] <apw> s/find/fine
[09:10] <YoBoY> yes until the next freeze
[09:11] <YoBoY> the hang occurs when the computer go to screensaver by the way (forget to tell)
[09:11] <YoBoY> and not each times
[09:11] <apw> ok thats very odd, it is cirtainly unusual for restarting gdm to recover from a kernel grpahics driver failure
[09:12] <apw> and this only occurs when 'effects' are enabled yes ?
[09:12] <YoBoY> yes
[09:12] <apw> i am suspicious this is not a kernel issue, but a compiz one
[09:12] <apw> my first suggestion would be to reproduce the issue again and then switch to VT1
[09:12] <YoBoY> vt1 ?
[09:13] <apw> from there, first take a copy of the kernel dmesg, running: dmsg >DMESG.FROZEN
[09:13] <YoBoY> tty ?
[09:13] <apw> (vt1 == tty1, ctrl-alt-F1)
[09:13] <YoBoY> ok ^^"
[09:13] <apw> and then try restarting compiz,  i think that the incantation is:  DISPLAY=:0.0 compiz --replace
[09:14] <YoBoY> I can do that, next time :)
[09:14] <apw> and then switch back to X and see if that unfreezes things
[09:14] <apw> if the compiz replace works i am suspicious that we have a compiz hang and need to report against that, otherwise a report it against the kernel
[09:19] <YoBoY> I tried the 2.6.39 kernel beacause I thought my problem was similar to the bug 740126
[09:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 740126 in linux "Disabling an output can cause vblank events to be missed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740126
[09:20] <apw> http://awhitcroft.blogspot.com/2011/05/union-file-systems-again.html
[09:22] <YoBoY> thanks apw i'll come back with the results
[09:22] <apw> YoBoY, sounds good
[10:50] <apw> ppisati, i am assuming you're noticong that when i am doing CVEs now i am sending out fsm-imx51 etc patches too, so you don't have to worry about those CVEs separatly
[10:56] <ppisati> apw: yep, saw it
[10:57] <apw> ppisati, maybe one day you and i will meet in the middle of the table
[10:57] <apw> ppisati, and i think we deserve some beer when we get there
[10:57] <ppisati> that's a good excuse to booze :)
[11:30] <ppisati> bug 800121
[11:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 800121 in linux-ti-omap4 "CVE 2010-4649" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800121
[11:30] <ppisati> please accept the nominations
[12:20] <apw> ppisati, you should mention my nick ... and done
[12:46]  * apw pops ou
[12:46] <apw> out
[12:49] <jjohansen> apw: thanks for setting up the planet.ubuntu syndication
[13:00] <jvargas> hi
[13:01] <jvargas> I want to downgrade the 11.04 kernel to the one shipped with 10.10, so my network card could work at a very decent speed.
[13:02] <jvargas> how can I proceed? I do not find info aboiut that..
[13:26] <jj-afk> back on in a few
[13:35]  * apw whines about poor internet
[14:44] <bjf> ##
[14:44] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:44] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[14:44] <bjf> ##
[15:02]  * ogasawara back in 20
[15:09] <apw> tgardner, would you cast an eye over the oneiric ti-omap4 binaries in ckt PPA, they are oneiric2 as the ppa wouldn't allow me to reuse the name, but would be oneiric1 for upload to OO
[15:09] <apw> (then i can delete them before i get moaned at by those whining stable people)
[15:09] <tgardner> apw, cast an eye to what end ?
[15:10] <apw> tgardner, sanity check the version numbers for me, i don't want another libc abi hack or similar
[15:10] <tgardner> apw, ah
[15:10] <apw> they look ok to me, but i am too familiar with them now
[15:10] <apw> the way they are made it should be impossible to be anything other than the same as natty ... but i've been blind to it before
[15:14] <tgardner> apw, you don't have a ti-omap4 branch in oneiric yet ?
[15:14] <apw> tgardner, we have nothing newer than what is in natty no
[15:14] <apw> tgardner, i've pushed what i am proposing to upload into the repo for now
[15:14] <apw> tgardner, when we do finally get a real one then it will just get pushed over and go away
[15:15] <apw> last i asked it was still at least weeks away before we see anything
[15:16] <apw> and i am not confident, we'll get it then, plus the fact its behind natty is starting to impact testing
[15:16] <tgardner> apw, just did an update on oneiric. now I see the ti-omap4 branch
[15:17] <apw> tgardner, cool
[15:19] <tgardner> apw, so, isn't the issue a namespace collision? e.g., the binary package names will collide in the archive. right now you're creating identicle package names for 2 pockets - http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux-ti-omap4/linux-image-2.6.38-1209-omap4_2.6.38-1209.13_armel.deb
[15:20] <tgardner> 2 releases, rather (natty and oneiric)
[15:20] <apw> they are at different version number however
[15:20] <tgardner> thats the reason I've had to change the ABI series in the past
[15:21]  * apw looks
[15:21] <tgardner> apw, is simple version skew sufficient?
[15:22] <brendand> bjf, sconklin - any news on the Natty -proposed kernel?
[15:23] <apw> 	linux-image-2.6.38-1209-omap4_2.6.38-1209.13oneiric2_armel.deb
[15:23] <apw> tgardner, thats the one in the pool in the PPA, so the filename is different
[15:23] <apw> i thought we needed the abi to be different between all releases in the same pocket
[15:23] <apw> so that the common header don't collide
[15:24] <apw> and update each other
[15:24] <tgardner> apw, there is that as well
[15:24] <apw> ie all the armel common headers would be -10.X and swap about randomly
[15:24] <apw> but version skew is enough if you only have that abi range once as far as i can tell
[15:25] <apw> we can't do it this way going back to lucid for the lts backports as they are elective only
[15:26] <tgardner> the difference with the LTS backports is that the source package name changes
[15:26] <apw> right so we avoid the update
[15:26] <apw> but here we'd want it
[15:27] <tgardner> apw, but we do it with the meta package, _not_ through versioning
[15:27] <tgardner> versioning of the kernel binary, that is
[15:29] <apw> right, but the update would be ok
[15:29] <apw> safe i mean
[15:30] <apw> i could bump abi and release it on .39 comining in, but i dont think we need to
[15:31] <tgardner> apw, AKAIK .39 doesn't work yet, so there isn't much use in releasing on .39
[15:31] <tgardner> AFAIK*
[15:31] <apw> right, that we are waiting  on a working one hense wnting a better .38
[15:32] <tgardner> apw, but I think the ABI issue is separate. I'd be more comfortable with a unique ABI for each release.
[15:40] <apw> tgardner, ok i'll respin it with an updated abi
[15:41] <apw> should be trivial
[15:41] <tgardner> apw, thanks.
[15:41] <sconklin> brendand: No. We're totally dependent on several people who reported regression in the -proposed kernel to help test  , and are not getting responses from them. So it will sit until we get more information.
[15:42]  * apw notes just how close together 'Delete PPA' and 'Package details', somewhat different risks for clicking too
[15:44] <tgardner> sconklin, is that reasonable? how long do we wait on resources we don't own ?
[15:45] <sconklin> tgardner: we have no way of knowing which of several hundred patches caused these, it's not a simple case of a known revert.
[15:45] <sconklin> If we are to expend resources, the next step would be to assign someone to try to come up with reproducers
[16:35] <tgardner> herton, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/794096/comments/8
[16:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 794096 in linux "SMTP and posting to a web-form time out (probably due to netfilter changes)" [Undecided,In progress]
[16:37] <herton> tgardner: I think not, didn't tried reverting that
[16:38] <herton> tgardner: other think I thought about that bug, the guy has a p54 card, and from 9.43 to 10.44 kernel it should have started to work again
[16:38] <tgardner> herton, of the natty commits since the last release, its about the only patch that could have a bad effect on netfilter: 'git log -p --reverse Ubuntu-2.6.38-9.43..HEAD -- net'
[16:39] <herton> so we could also have a conflict in his setup, from one of the logs seems the wifi is associating also on that machine
[16:39] <herton> I'll revert also this commit and ask for him to test
[16:40] <tgardner> herton, I frequently have that situation in Maverick on my laptop, e.g., 2 routes to the same place when I plug in an ethernet
[16:40] <tgardner> herton, didn't lamont complain about a network regression also ?
[16:41] <lamont> I did.
[16:41] <lamont> testing it is somewhat problematic
[16:41] <lamont> both reproducing it reliably to the point of having a good test, and then making time to run the tests on the one place I've seen it thus far
[16:42] <tgardner> lamont, would it be in an environment that experienced fragmentation?
[16:43] <lamont> PPPoE connection, so definitely subject to PMTU discovery and/or fragmentation
[16:43] <tgardner> lamont, could you run one of herton's kernels with a specific patch reverted for awhile ?
[16:44] <lamont> sure
[16:44] <herton> lamont: you're running on lucid correct?
[16:45]  * lamont checks on exactly when he next needs his network to really work
[16:45] <tgardner> herton, it should be a natty kernel.
[16:45] <lamont> herton lucid/i386
[16:45] <lamont> though 'tever on the actual kernel you give me, as long as it's happy with a lucid/i386 userspace
[16:45] <lamont> (the box is i386 only)
[16:46] <tgardner> lamont, I thought we were talking natty. do you have a lucid version that you _know_ works, and the one that doesn't ?
[16:46] <lamont> I have about 60 minutes before I'll need to yank the kernel back to something known-to-work
[16:48] <lamont> 2.6.32-31-generic-pae works, the upgrade from about 4 days before I filed my bug to -32 broke things
[16:48] <lamont> pae or non-pae, doesn't seem to matter
[16:48] <lamont> symptom was "web sites don't work", with what looked to be perfectly normal tcpdump of the traffic
[16:51] <herton> tgardner: lamont filled bug 791512 about it on lucid
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 791512 in linux "tcp connections hang in forwarding machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791512
[16:51] <lamont> yeah - that bug
[16:51] <herton> so it may well be that commit, which should also be in lucid
[16:51] <lamont> herton: any chance you have a lucid kernel with that commit reverted?
[16:52] <tgardner> herton, I'm not seeing that commit in Luciod
[16:54] <herton> tgardner: hmm indeed, so the issue gets more strange, may be it isn't the same bug
[16:55] <tgardner> herton, the only common patches between Lucid and Natty updates are 'dccp: handle invalid feature options length' and 'af_unix: Only allow recv on connected seqpacket sockets.'. The second one deals with fragments.
[16:56] <tgardner> herton, nm, the second patch deals with sequences, not fragments.
[16:57] <tgardner> still, those are the 2 patches that are common between the 2 releases, plus we have similar symptoms on natty.
[16:58]  * lamont tries one of the two kernels he got before
[16:59] <tgardner> herton, how about producing a kernel for lamont to try with those 2 patches reverted?
[16:59] <herton> the dccp change I also can't see how it would cause the issue
[16:59] <herton> tgardner: yep, will do this then
[16:59] <herton> also revert on natty and ask MacSlow to test it
[17:00] <tgardner> yeah, the dccp change looks benign, but you never know... the rest appear protocol specific.
[17:00] <lamont> brb
[17:04] <bjf> ##
[17:04] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in one hour
[17:04] <bjf> ##
[17:07] <lamont> linux-image-2.6.32-32-generic-pae_2.6.32-32.63~01spc823e22f_i386.deb <-- this one is fai
[17:07] <lamont> l
[17:07]  * lamont tries the other
[17:08] <apw> bjf, i hope it'll be over in an hour from then :)
[17:10] <bjf> apw, is editmoin working for you since the wiki upgrade?
[17:12] <apw> bjf they say they revoked all the key things, so you'd need to get the new one
[17:12] <apw> if you can remember how
[17:13] <bjf> apw, looking for that info now
[17:14] <apw> error: body information not found
[17:14] <bjf> apw, indexing must be working, the search returned results, fast
[17:14] <apw> bjf do yoou get htat ?
[17:14] <apw> if so i think thats a different problem
[17:15] <lamont> hrmpf.  did my last bit make it through?
[17:15] <lamont> 585c_i386.deb <-- appears to be win
 sconklin: ^^
[17:15] <lamont> just in case
 linux-image-2.6.32-32-generic-pae_2.6.32-32.63~01spce92585c_i386.deb <-- appears to be win
[17:17] <tgardner> sconklin, what patches got reverted for that kernel ?
[17:17] <sconklin> lamont: ok, those two commits (Sha1 in the version) bound the netfilter changes in the kernel
[17:17] <sconklin> I was hoping one would pass and one would fail. That should take the bisection down to about 3 tries
[17:17] <sconklin> tgardner: ^^
[17:18] <tgardner> sconklin, ack
[17:18] <tgardner> sconklin, are you bisecting the whole mess, or just the net directory ?
[17:19] <apw> bjf, shame that login, and writing to pages is as slow as hell
[17:19] <sconklin> tgardner: well, those were not bisections, just builds from those commits.
[17:19] <sconklin> hold on let me look at the repo
[17:20] <tgardner> sconklin, that SHA1 includes the nf patches
[17:21] <sconklin> yeah, it appears to be backwards from what I would expect
[17:21] <sconklin> so I have no clue
[17:21] <tgardner> sconklin, I do. your 'win' kernel excludes 'af_unix: Only allow recv on connected seqpacket sockets' which I think is the likely culprit.
[17:22] <sconklin> ok, but not sure that explains the "lose' kernel
[17:23] <tgardner> sconklin, herton is busily building a version with that and one other patch reverted. which one was the 'lose' kernel ?
[17:23] <lamont> linux-headers-2.6.32-32-generic-pae_2.6.32-32.63~01spc823e22f_i386.deb
[17:23] <sconklin> 823e22f was a faila ccording to lamont
[17:24] <lamont> sconklin: note that I wish I had a testcase that was 100% reliable
[17:24] <bjf> apw, did you get your's setup again, I can't find the "user info page"
[17:24] <sconklin> Thanks Lamont - noted that it's not 100%.
[17:24] <apw> bjf,  no it seemed broken and i was relying on you to get there first :)
[17:25] <bjf> apw, i'll get it sorted and get back to you
[17:25] <lamont> fwiw, in about 10 minutes, I go dark-for-testing for a couple hours minimum
[17:25] <apw> heh, how lucky is that
[17:27] <tgardner> lamont, I'll have herton post his kernel in bug #791512 please remember to check for it when you light up again
[17:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 791512 in linux "tcp connections hang in forwarding machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791512
[17:28] <lamont> tgardner: will do.  I'll be able to fetch it and all, just can't get away with rebooting my "test" box for a while
[17:29] <apw> lamont, you'll be trying to convince us you have a day job next :)
[17:29] <lamont> heh
[17:29] <tgardner> lamont, no problem. now I'm off to track down Mirco who had similar issues, but with natty.
[17:29] <herton> lamont: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791512/comments/4
[17:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 791512 in linux "tcp connections hang in forwarding machine" [Undecided,New]
[17:29] <lamont> test box actually gets used by other people, and they have needs
[17:30] <herton> going to lunch here, will come back in ~30min
[17:32] <lamont> Generating grub.cfg ...
[17:32] <lamont> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: raid5rec is not loaded.
[17:32] <lamont> User postinst hook script [/usr/sbin/update-grub] exited with value 1
[17:33] <lamont> this is my other problem child: lucid kernel on a ESXi 4 vm
[17:33] <lamont> with software rade
[17:33] <lamont> raid. wow. where'd thatcome from
[17:34] <apw> dunno but its like totally rad man
[17:35] <apw> ogasawara, are you rebasing to -rc4 ?  i fancy a new shiney kernel, this one is getting old and tired
[17:36] <ogasawara> apw: I am, ran into a minor bump, but test build should be finishing momentarily
[17:36] <apw> ogasawara, yay, then i simply need to wait :)
[17:36] <ogasawara> apw: I'll ping you when it's ready
[17:37] <apw> i am seeing horrible disk slowness, but i can't work out if that is cause its worse, or just because my bug mailbox has hit 60k messages .... /me applies a liberal dollop of D
[17:37] <tgardner> herton, will you have a kernel for bug #794096 soon? I'll track down Mirco and get him to test it when its ready.
[17:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 794096 in linux "SMTP and posting to a web-form time out (probably due to netfilter changes)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794096
[17:37] <apw> tgardner, last herton messages says back in 30, 7 mins ago
[17:37] <tgardner> apw, right, I just didn't want him to forget what he was doing
[17:38] <apw> :) ahh
[17:41] <apw> bjf what was that weechat ish thingy called
[17:42] <bjf> apw, weechat
[17:43] <lamont> herton: you do promise this'll boot, right?
[17:44] <bjf> booting is overrated
[17:45] <lamont> bah.  your -headers package fails to install
[17:45]  * lamont reboots again
[17:46] <smb> lamont, Something completely unrelated and mostly out of curiosity: do you know whether the ppa builders run 32bit domU on 64bit servers or only matching architectures?
[17:49] <bjf> apw, got new moin ids from IS but still busted, and they don't support editmoin, so i'm still working it
[17:49] <apw> from is ?
[17:49] <apw> i thoight they were personal, and you got them from your broswer
[17:49] <lamont> herton: your kernel appears to be non-fail
[17:49] <lamont> thank you
[17:50] <bjf> apw, thought so also, still investigating
[17:50] <apw> i think it was pitti who first introduced me to it
[17:50] <herton> tgardner: yes it's built now, will copy it now
[17:50] <lamont> smb: ppa builders are *wavehands* 64-bit everything where they can be (hw supports 64-bit), and 32-bit only where they need to be for hardware.
[17:50] <herton> lamont: hmm ok, so one of the reverts probably worked
[17:51] <lamont> with maybe 5 machines that make that statement a total lie. <-- smb
[17:51] <herton> I'll build just with the af_unix change reverted, and ask you to test again, it's the most likely one
[17:51] <lamont> herton: and dark-to-testing for a couple hours, but can do another one after that if you want to try unreverting one of those
[17:51] <lamont> heh. nice collision there
[17:52] <tgardner> herton, please detail in the LP report _which_ patches were reverted.
[17:52] <apw> bjf, pitti says its broken and he's not managed to fix it
[17:52] <herton> tgardner: ok
[17:52] <bjf> apw, sweet!
[17:52] <smb> lamont, Hm ok. Just asking cause I found "xm save" crashing when trying to save a 32bit domU on a 64bit kernel. And that seemed to be the same at least for the previous abi release.
[17:52] <apw> bjf, see #ubuntu-devel
[17:53] <ogasawara> apw: linux-image-3.0-2-generic_3.0-2.3_amd64.deb on tangerine in my oneiric-amd64 dir
[17:53] <ogasawara> apw: i386 build in progress...
[17:53] <apw> ogasawara, looks exciting
[17:53] <tgardner> ogasawara, close enough to push ?
[17:53]  * apw updates his amd64 crasher pre-install
[17:54] <ogasawara> tgardner: just booted it on an amd64 box so it must work everywhere :) which means I'm gonna push it
[17:54] <tgardner> good enough for me
[17:54] <apw> ogasawara, its those boots, hardcore
[17:54] <lamont> smb: dom0 and domU are the same on all of them
[17:55] <smb> lamont, Ah, that explains a lot. :)
[17:56] <ogasawara> tgardner, apw: pushed to master-next
[17:56] <bjf> apw, is got the ids from the server logs for my session, i don't know how to find them myself anymore, couldn't find them in firefox
[17:56] <apw> bjf, oh i see, hrm
[17:56] <apw> but they don't work anymore anyhow ?
[17:56] <bjf> apw, right
[17:57]  * apw focuses winning vibes on bjf
[17:59] <bjf> ##
[17:59] <bjf> ## Meeting starting now
[17:59] <bjf> ##
[18:01] <apw> ppisati, should we consider using a specific older version of the compiler for the kernel on arm ?
[18:02] <ppisati> apw: can we switch compiler just for the kernel package?
[18:03] <apw> ppisati, i think it is possible, not desirable normally but possible
[18:03] <jjohansen> ppisati: what was the bug # on that one again
[18:03] <ppisati> lp#791552
[18:04] <ppisati> bug 791552
[18:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 791552 in linux "No USB support on beagle/beagleXM" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791552
[18:04] <ppisati> in one of the message i attached the discussion where they acked the bug and proposed some workarounds (that didn't work here)
[18:05] <ppisati> apw: goign back to 4.5 as long as this bug is not fixed is ok for me, but i fear that we could miss many early problems if we switch back even for the entire userland
[18:06] <apw> ppisati, this would be only for the kernel
[18:08] <tgardner> we used to use a specific kernel compiler for PARISC
[18:10] <herton> tgardner: http://people.canonical.com/~herton/lp794096/reverts/
[18:10] <herton> the kernel for Mirco to check
[18:10] <apw> tgardner, thats what i thought, i think its a matter of setting GCC and adding the right build-dep
[18:11] <maco> i was just reading victor's blog post. system tap works on ubuntu?
[18:11] <tgardner> apw, yep. I think Hardy has an example
[18:11] <apw> maco, beleive so yes, that is all ckings work, but he is off today
[18:12] <ppisati> apw: if a fix doesn't appera before alpha2, then yes, because wihout usb our SOCs are not that userful: we loose eth, keyboard, mouse, etcetc
[18:12] <maco> apw: ok. the system tap wiki claims it doesnt without lots of hacking around. one of the dinosaur book authors was looking at using ubuntu in the classroom and jumped to fedora after coming across that
[18:13] <apw> maco, i'd not heard that, i would recommend you touch cking tommorrow and confirm he didn't have to jump hoop to make it work, i didn't think so
[18:13] <tgardner> herton, Mirco won't know to try your new kernel unless you update the LP report. since he's subscribed he'll get an email
[18:13] <apw> and if he says its working then we need to find and kill the systemtap errorage
[18:13] <herton> yep, adding a comment there
[18:13] <maco> will do
[18:13] <apw> maco, thanks
[18:16] <ppisati> apw: while here, can we have a meeting about arm kernel and the platform rally?
[18:16] <ppisati> s/arm kernel/arm kernels/
[18:16] <apw> ppisati, sure whatsup
[18:17] <ppisati> apw: well, basically to pull all people involved together and try to define some kind of a schedule
[18:17] <ppisati> apw: e.g. TI first said they were going .39
[18:18] <ppisati> apw: last week said they moved to 3.0 (and they only told us when we asked about an ETA for the BSP)
[18:18] <apw> ppisati, the rally is normally pretty free form, but if you need to get people together thats great
[18:18] <ppisati> apw: but thert's no ETA, and there's no consesus on what to do
[18:18] <apw> ppisati, are you suggesting at the rally or before the rally to prepare for the rally ?
[18:18] <apw> ppisati, if at the rally just add it to the agenda
[18:18] <ppisati> apw: if there's a slot at the rally
[18:19] <ppisati> apw: ok, i'll talk with the arm and linaro people
[18:19] <apw> ppisati, rally has about 10 meetings total there is plenty of time ... normally we just walk to people and sit on their laps till they talk to us
[18:20] <ppisati> apw: cool, than i'll inform all the parties involved
[18:20] <apw> ppisati, i think we already had said we would get with davidm etc and work out what we are doing with the ti kernels
[18:20] <apw> ppisati, but reminding them can't hurt
[18:20] <ppisati> apw: cool, then we are already set
[18:21] <ppisati> but i'll ping people
[18:42] <apw> apw_, oi
[18:43] <apw> apw_, oi
[18:47] <herton> lamont: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791512/comments/6
[18:47] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 791512 in linux "tcp connections hang in forwarding machine" [Undecided,New]
[18:48] <herton> when you finish testing the current kernel, just try that one with only af_unix change reverted
[18:52] <lamont> herton: fetching both
[19:35] <apw> apw
[19:38] <lamont> herton: so are we expecting love or hate from r3?
[19:39] <herton> lamont: love, but who knows :)
[19:40]  * lamont stabs the machine to find out
[19:45] <lamont> herton: the kernel is love
[19:45]  * lamont boots in to -33.68
[19:45] <herton> yeah, would be good to know now if -33.68 stock in proposed really has the issue
[19:46] <herton> if 33.68 stock fails, that af_unix patch really is the culprit
[19:50] <Quintasan> http://paste.kde.org/85561
[19:50] <Quintasan> How not normal is the above output is?
[19:51] <apw> Quintasan: depends how long it goes on for and what exactly the machine was doing when it occured
[19:52] <Quintasan> apw: I'm doing linaro-media-create magic on my i.MX53 Quick Start board
[19:52] <Quintasan> last output is Populating rootfs partition. Be patient, this may take a few minutes
[19:52] <apw> and does the machine recover from that ?
[19:53] <Quintasan> apw: It does, but I was unable to interact for a few seconds
[19:53] <apw> if so then its likely you are just hammering crapola out of your usb stick and clogging up everything else
[19:53] <Quintasan> Oh I see.
[19:53] <apw> yep, thats a known "not really meant to react that way", but non-fatal
[19:53] <lamont> herton: rebooting back into r3 to verify that the site that doesn't work now does work there
[19:53] <apw> one shouldn't be able to starve you when doing such things, but you can with a lot of writes
[19:54] <Quintasan> apw: http://paste.kde.org/85567
[19:55] <herton> lamont: ok, so -33.68 stock failed then?
[19:55] <Quintasan> apw: I was also wondering if you could tell me what's this
[19:56] <apw> Quintasan: that implies the disk host controller lost the link to the drive and reset the link a couple of times to recover it
[19:57] <Quintasan> apw: What can be the cause of that?
[19:57] <apw> does it happen often, if it does something is up, could be a bug, could be bad h/w
[19:57] <apw> very hard to diagnose, unless its common on one kernel and not on another, then we might be able to acertain why
[19:58] <apw> i think its saying there was a parity type error on the transaction on the bus
[19:59] <lamont> herton: 33.68 stock is fail
[20:00] <lamont> though the test website did magically work on that one.  the other one was solidly fail, and works on r3
[20:00] <lamont> so I have r3 live
[20:01] <herton> hmm. well, seems that change then is causing things to break
[20:01] <herton> lamont: can you post your testing results on bug 791512?
[20:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 791512 in linux "tcp connections hang in forwarding machine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791512
[20:03] <Quintasan> apw: Okay, is it possible that cable is bad?
[20:03] <lamont> herton: will do
[20:03] <apw> Quintasan: it is _possible_ if you have a spare it may be worth changing.  it depends how often you see that, if its once ever i'd not bother
[20:03] <Quintasan> more like three times a day
[20:03] <Quintasan> :S
[20:04]  * Quintasan goes to buy a new SATA cable
[20:05]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:10] <apw> tgardner-afk: you applied this 0726 commit to hardy/master and lucid/ti-omap4, but not to maverick/ti-omap4 ... is there a reason or just an oversight
[20:11] <tgardner> apw, checking
[20:12] <tgardner> apw, doh! I just missed Maverick ti-omap4, gimme a sec
[20:13] <apw> tgardner: heh np, the matrix _is_ some use after all
[20:15] <tgardner> apw, done
[20:18] <apw> tgardner: ok i've pushed up a replacement oneiric ti-omap4 and tag (also removed the old tag) the tree diff is just the update script change and abi+100
[20:18] <apw> tgardner: so i am inclined to just upload it
[20:20] <tgardner> apw, looks good to me
[20:21] <apw> tgardner: ok thanks :)
[20:22] <apw> ENO-bjf
[20:39] <herton> tgardner: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/791512/comments/7
[20:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 791512 in linux "tcp connections hang in forwarding machine" [Undecided,New]
[20:39] <herton> seems that af_unix change is really at fault
[20:40] <tgardner> herton, good. how about annoying the upstream authors? perhaps mention to the various stable maintainers that we're gonna revert it.
[20:42] <herton> ok, I'll try to enter in contact with patch author and CC netdev, lets see what they have to say
[21:46] <tgardner> ogasawara, did you have to use some magic to get oneiric to build ? I think ubuntu/rtl8192se is borken.
[21:46] <ogasawara> tgardner: no magic needed for me
[21:46] <ogasawara> tgardner: used the usual build scripts
[21:47] <tgardner> ogasawara, hmm, a rebuild with that commented out in ubuntu/Makefile seems to be working better.
[21:48] <ogasawara> tgardner: what was the error you were seeing?  my build log is on tangerine:oneiric-amd64/build.log
[21:49] <tgardner> ogasawara, I've over written it already, but it was complaining about EXTRA_CFLAGS
[21:50] <tgardner> ogasawara, I've updated the chroot on tangerine since your build. perhaps you should try again.
[21:51] <ogasawara> tgardner: ah, will kick off another build then
[21:56]  * tgardner --> EOD


[04:53] <zerothis> I'm about to head off to trade school to learn to make videogames (or not). I'm determined to remain committed to Libre Software. Does anybody have any advice for me? Does anybody know about Full Sail University?
[04:53] <zerothis> Does Canonical have any ties (at all) to Full Sail?
[14:47] <alkisg> In a desktop ubuntu installation, I'd like to prohibit the students from using audio devices. The audio group was deprecated in favour of HAL, which was deprecated in favour of devicekit... so how would I do that?
[15:10] <LaserJock> has anybody tried installing LTSP from the Edubuntu DVD?
[15:39] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hmm, I just booted on up
[15:40] <highvoltage> LaserJock: oh nm me, I just thought it was weird that it isn't an install option from gfxboot, but that's normal for a casper install
[15:43] <highvoltage> LaserJock: seems like the cdrom uri is commented out by default, so when I apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone, it fetched it from a mirror
[15:43] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it could be that I commented the cdrom line out and forgot about it, but I don't think so
[15:44] <LaserJock> highvoltage: did you have an internet connection during install?
[15:44] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I think so
[15:44] <stgraber> LTSP won't boot, I'll upload a fix for that later today
[15:44] <LaserJock> highvoltage: I think the CD lines are commented out if you have internet during install
[15:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[15:45] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ok, that makes sense then.
[15:45] <LaserJock> what I'm mostly concerned about is that we release a DVD with *no* way of installing LTSP for it
[15:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: what are you concerned about? what would block ltsp from being installable?
[15:47] <LaserJock> well, if we don't have the menu options, etc.
[15:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: it would be cool if LTSP could actually ship on the DVD
[15:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: getting it a menu option is a big deal. I think ogra said (and he can clarify) that LTSP for a gui install system will be a big deal
[15:49] <ogra> dont you have the choice to do an alternate install with the DVD ?
[15:49] <ogra> it should surely work in alternate mode
[15:53] <highvoltage> ogra: preciously, you could press F4 and choose "Install LTSP server"
[15:53] <highvoltage> ogra: I don't see that, would it be in the actually alternate installer now?
[15:53] <ogra> well, that would have to enforce alternate
[15:53] <ogra> afaik the DVD always had a choice if you want to do a live install or an alternate one
[15:53] <highvoltage> s/preciously/previously
[15:54] <highvoltage> ogra: yes there is an option for "Install Edubuntu in text mode", but no "Install LTSP" on gfxboot menu
[15:55] <ogra> see if you get the F4 option if you move to the "text mode" option#
[15:55] <ogra> might be dependent
[15:56] <highvoltage> ogra: I thought so too, but it doesn't show it there either
[15:56] <highvoltage> ogra: what option does it pass to the cmdline if selected?
[15:56] <highvoltage> ogra: I just want to check if it installs LTSP if I pass it manually
[15:57] <ogra> it selects a special preseed file iirs
[15:57] <ogra> cjwatson should know
[15:59] <highvoltage> hmm, looking at /preseed on the cdrom there's just cli.seed  cloud.seed  edubuntu.seed  ubuntu-server-minimal.seed  ubuntu-server-minimalvm.seed  ubuntu-server.seed  workstation.seed
[15:59] <ogra> there should be an ltsp.seed
[16:00] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the process for getting it on there? could I just ask cjwatson?
[16:01] <ogra> i think so
[16:03] <highvoltage> I pinged him anyway.
[16:20] <LaserJock> highvoltage: thanks
[16:20]  * LaserJock was afk talking to Air Force people
[16:21] <LaserJock> the LTSP option was what I was meaning
[16:22] <LaserJock> what I think we should have for karmic is, standalone educational desktop = LiveFS/ubiquity and LTSP = alternate/text mode
[16:22] <LaserJock> but have them both available on the DVD
[16:22] <LaserJock> the problem is, I believe that means we're essentially shipping the ubuntu desktop twice
[16:23] <LaserJock> once in the squashfs, and then again as .debs for the ltsp client builder
[16:24] <voodoor> I've got my buntu box authenticating against our w2k3 server with likewise- dead easy that part - but now I'm struggling to get network share home folders to mount via pam. Anyone here successfully done this?
[16:27] <highvolt1ge> LaserJock: if we shipped a pre-built LTSP environment, we could potentially do away with the alternate system by getting some hooks in ubiquity
[16:27] <voodoor> a simple, verbose guide would be great
[16:28] <LaserJock> highvolt1ge: yeah, ultimately that would be the way to go
[16:28] <LaserJock> highvolt1ge: even if we had a separate "install an LTSP system" button on the Live session desktop
[16:29] <voodoor> I want to get ubuntu out of the server room and into the classrooms but I need this to work but can't find a guidd for this purpose that works or goes into enough detail
[16:29] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hmm, excellent idea. I should copy and paste it in a spec :)
[16:41] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yes, it seems now the wiki has been broken up into individual team wikis :-)
[16:44] <highvoltage> LaserJock: that seems to make sense
[16:44] <LaserJock> for as many teams, etc. as we have it does


[00:44] <aedend> freenet gnunet tor or i2p? Experience with any and/or what do judge is most secure?
[06:49] <Juzzy> k


[00:32] <mhall119> yay, my MP landed!
[07:54] <mzanetti> veebers: still around?
[08:28] <nic-doffay> larsu, ping
[08:29] <larsu> nic-doffay: good morning
[08:30] <nic-doffay> larsu, how things?
[08:30] <larsu> nic-doffay: good thanks, how are you?
[08:31] <nic-doffay> larsu, good!
[08:31] <nic-doffay> larsu, you know that branch you prepped which fixed the icons?
[08:31] <veebers> mzanetti: I'm just making/having tea but will be around
[08:31] <nic-doffay> Can I take a look at the diff?
[08:32] <mzanetti> veebers: wanted to ask how many ottos do we have?
[08:32] <larsu> nic-doffay: you mean the one that sets the default icon theme to ubuntu-mobile? https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity8/fallback-icon-theme/+merge/183649
[08:45] <dednick> mzanetti: if you're available, can i get you to test a couple of branches for me today?
[08:45] <mzanetti> dednick: yes
[08:46] <dednick> mzanetti: it's to do with unitymenumodel and the messaging menu. something larsu and i where working on yesterday. It was working on my machine and device, but for some extremely strange reason, it wasn't working for larsu, but we dont know why
[08:47] <dednick> mzanetti: lp:~larsu/qmenumodel/use-full-action-name
[08:47] <dednick> mzanetti: lp:~nick-dedekind/unity8/unitymenumodel.messages
[08:47] <dednick> need to work together
[08:48] <dednick> need to check that messages can be replied to and can do a missed call callback.
[08:49] <mzanetti> dednick: ok
[08:50] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I think the filters branch is ready for a code review. All the points you brought up have been addressed.
[08:50] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ok
[08:50] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, cheers
[08:50] <nic-doffay> If there's anything else just comment and I'll see to it.
[08:50] <nic-doffay> I think it looks good for an alpha now though.
[08:50] <mzanetti> I will :)
[08:50] <nic-doffay> As you mentioned the icon isn't right.
[08:51] <dednick> mzanetti: larsu was getting this error:
[08:51] <dednick> file:///home/lars/src/unity8/unitymenumodel.messages/builddir/plugins/Unity/Indicators/Messaging/MessageMenuItemFactory.qml:136: TypeError: Cannot read property 'valid' of null
[08:51] <nic-doffay> I'll bring that up now...
[08:51] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: which icon?
[08:51] <larsu> dednick: might it be that "index" is one of those special property names you're not allowed to use?
[08:51] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the filters one.
[08:51] <dednick> larsu: ah. errr it might be
[08:51] <nic-doffay> In that design preview it has an orange background.
[08:52] <dednick> larsu: dont know why it would be working on mine then
[08:52] <mzanetti> larsu: well, inside a Delegate, the word "index" is indeed reserved for the index in the List/Repeater/Whatever
[08:52] <larsu> right, we had this befoe
[08:52] <mzanetti> aka. an attached property
[08:52] <larsu> but wouldn't it give me an error?
[08:53] <dednick> mzanetti: you can override properties though. it's just a QObject that has the index proporty
[08:53] <dednick> *property
[08:54] <dednick> but i guess maybe the listview passing down of the property is buggering things up
[08:54] <dednick> larsu: worth a try changing it i guess
[08:54] <larsu> dednick: trying right now
[08:55] <mzanetti> larsu: hmm... actually no... its like defining a local variable in a context where that name already exists. the local one will just hide the "global" one
[08:56] <larsu> mzanetti: this is a property name though, not a variable name
[08:56] <veebers> mzanetti: ah err, good question. I've only set up one machine so far, but there are I think 4 more from memory that are to be part of that pool of otto machines
[08:57] <mzanetti> veebers: we need them all :D
[08:57] <mzanetti> veebers: if apps and unity run tests on the same machine, one is definitely not enough.
[08:58] <veebers> mzanetti: agreed, I'll get them setup first thing my morning :-) I need to change one thing with the config too. So will let you know when they are setup and running
[08:58] <mzanetti> veebers: awesome. thanks
[09:01] <veebers> nw
[10:41] <mzanetti> greyback: you available for a review?
[10:41] <greyback> mzanetti: if it's not too big, sure
[10:41] <mzanetti> greyback: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity-api/launcher-add-focused/+merge/183843 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-appmanager/+merge/183837
[10:42] <greyback> mzanetti: you mean to have the big debug prints in the latter one?
[10:43]  * mzanetti checks
[10:44] <mzanetti> greyback: d'oh. forgot to push my last commit. should be gone now
[10:44] <greyback> ok
[10:47] <greyback> mzanetti: probably due to my not understanding the launcher design, but I had expected the launcher to be connected to the AppManager's list of running apps, and be able to read off the focused one from there
[10:48] <mzanetti> greyback: yeah. the applicationFocused will change again I guess. With the current state of the app manager this is the closest I could get
[10:48] <greyback> mzanetti: understood. Wanna put in a todo/remove-me comment in the api?
[10:49] <mzanetti> greyback: if you think I should... but it's clearly on my todo list to switch to the final App Manager api :)
[10:49] <greyback> mzanetti: fair enough :) I'll trust you
[10:59] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: dude... your branch doesn't even start up :D
[10:59] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ?
[10:59] <nic-doffay> works ok for me
[10:59] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: http://paste.kde.org/pc6423eb3
[11:00] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, try using trunk of ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[11:03] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: better indeed :)
[11:03] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, :)
[11:03] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: but the narrowMode is still broken
[11:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, just taking a look at your screenshot again.
[11:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, jenkins needs to rebuild too there was a whitespace issue.
[11:05] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I see about narrowMode.
[11:06] <nic-doffay> What's it supposed to look like?
[11:22] <sil2100> pete-woods: hi!
[11:22] <sil2100> pete-woods: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity-voice/add_autopilot_package/+merge/183852 <- could you take a look? ;)
[11:24] <pete-woods> sil2100: having a look now :)
[11:24] <greyback> mzanetti: I got this when compiling lp:~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-appmanager http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6062275/
[11:26] <mzanetti> greyback: oh noes! fixing
[11:26] <sil2100> pete-woods: the merger is down so there's no hurry ;)
[11:28] <mzanetti> greyback: added
[11:28] <greyback> mzanetti: ta
[11:32] <mzanetti> dednick: do you still need me to test those branches or did the "index" thing fix your problem?
[11:32] <dednick> larsu: ^ did you test that?
[11:37] <dednick> mzanetti: i'm guessing it didnt fix if he hasn't whooped with joy
[11:37] <mzanetti> :D
[11:42] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, reading your comment regarding the flicking up.
[11:43] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I don't notice any flicker?
[11:43] <nic-doffay> when dragging after it's been nudged to display that it can be scrolled
[11:44] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: do *exactly* what I tell you to reproduce:
[11:44] <mzanetti> ./run
[11:44] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, also, I def cannot swipe left or right when the overlay is open?
[11:44] <mzanetti> click on the search text
[11:44] <mzanetti> click on the filter icon
[11:45] <mzanetti> click on applications
[11:45] <mzanetti> click on books
[11:45] <mzanetti> click on books again
[11:45] <mzanetti> click on books again
[11:45] <mzanetti> now the optionselector is broken
[11:46] <mzanetti> now, to reproduce the jumping:
[11:46] <mzanetti> click on books once again (to expand the optionsleector again)
[11:46] <mzanetti> scroll down to the end
[11:46] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah got it.
[11:46] <mzanetti> click on videos
[11:46] <mzanetti> click on videos again.
[11:46] <mzanetti> start dragging the list up/down => it'll jump
[11:49] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, good spotting, thanks for that.
[11:50] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: and for the swiping of the dash:
[11:50] <mzanetti> ./run
[11:50] <mzanetti> click on the search textt
[11:50] <mzanetti> click on the filter icon
[11:50] <mzanetti> swipe it to the right/left
[11:50] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah I see.
[11:50] <nic-doffay> It's only disabled for Applications.
[11:51] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: also broken for applications here
[11:51] <mzanetti> anyways... need some food
[11:52] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, strange, I def cannot swipe applications.
[11:52] <nic-doffay> After the rest of the fixes I'll revisit that though.
[12:09] <sil2100> pete-woods: thanks for the review! The merger is still down, so it'll be around in the form of a merge for a while still ;p
[12:09] <pete-woods> sil1200: np!
[12:17] <sil2100> pete-woods: btw! Do you know if unity-voice is part of the touch FFe?
[12:17] <larsu> dednick: I tested it this morning and it didn't solve the problem
[12:19] <pete-woods> sil2100: I don't know, but I doubt it to be honest
[12:23] <sil2100> pete-woods: so it's not necessary for the touch images?
[12:25] <pete-woods> sil2100: I have created the package because HUD has frequently developed memory leaks, and when it leaks it takes the fairly heavyweight voice code with it - e.g. 50MB each time
[12:25] <pete-woods> sil2100: so the package is there in-case we have any emergency leaks in HUD
[12:25] <pete-woods> we can switch over to using it
[12:26] <pete-woods> but it isn't necessary in the mathematical sense for 13.10
[12:26] <sil2100> pete-woods: ah! Ok, all is clear now
[12:27] <larsu> pete-woods: talking about the hud, it doesn't respond to any dbus calls on my machine. Starting unity8 takes > 10 seconds until it times out. Do you have any idea what the issue could be?
[12:27] <larsu> pete-woods: I'm on saucy, no ppas.
[12:30] <pete-woods> larsu: that doesn't surprise me, it seems to break all the time
[12:30] <pete-woods> often when I / Wellark go in to fix things, it seems strange how those parts ever worked in the first place
[12:31] <pete-woods> larsu: I'll try running it up now on my machine to see how I fare, though
[12:32] <larsu> pete-woods: thanks. It's not super-urgent as I hardly use it. Just a bit annoying because I have to wait for unity to start up…
[12:32] <larsu> but I don't hack on that refularily
[12:32] <larsu> *regularily
[12:33]  * larsu learns it's actually *regularly
[12:33] <pete-woods> I prefer your second spelling
[12:37] <pete-woods> larsu: well I can confirm the timeout issue - I also have to wait on HUD
[12:38] <larsu> pete-woods: I think it's a combination of it not responding and the sleep(10) in dbus-activation-hack.sh
[12:38] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ^5 for the review comments. Most have been sorted out aside from the tests which are next on my list. Just need a second opinion on the scrolling between scopes being disabled correctly.
[12:45] <pete-woods> larsu: I have no idea why we even have that hack, I'm guessing it has something to do with upstart?
[12:47] <larsu> pete-woods: hm, changing that '10' to something lower doesn't make unity start faster. I guess that's no it, then
[12:48] <larsu> pete-woods: something about the interaction between dbus and upstart. I've been saying for a long time that we need proper dbus activation support in upstart.
[12:50] <pete-woods> larsu: I totally agree with you there
[12:50] <pete-woods> systemd has it, so upstart should too
[12:59] <mzanetti> om26er: greyback: can you please review this? Apparently Pat would need this fixed for a demo later today: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-1219035/+merge/183866
[13:00] <mzanetti> greyback: I think my code is ok. however, bad thing is, is that I don't really understand why this has been working before :/
[13:00] <greyback> mzanetti: ack, will do now
[13:01] <mzanetti> the size of the panel is probably because the Panel was reworked and most likely doesn't live outside the view any mire
[13:01] <om26er> mzanetti, looks good to me. I can probably test the fix once the debs are published
[13:01] <mzanetti> but why the "hide button on release" did work before is beyond me
[13:05] <larsu> pete-woods: hm, org.freedesktop.dbus.StartServiceByName('com.canonical.hud', 0) times out, but the name seems to get registered correctly (it appears in ListNames). Maybe the hud manages to register the name and then immediately hangs when dbus-daemon tries to ping it?
[13:05]  * larsu wonders why the daemon would ping it at all
[13:07] <sergiusens> is there a plan to update the apps lens on changes to ~/.local/share/applications ?
[13:08] <larsu> pete-woods: I bet the problem is the script itself - dbus probably wants that the PID it just started registers the name
[13:11] <pete-woods> larsu: I think the real concern I have is that this problem must exist in all services that try to use both upstart and dbus activation
[13:11] <greyback> mzanetti: approved
[13:13] <pete-woods> unless there's a better way to do it that is being done in HUD
[13:13] <pete-woods> *than
[13:14] <larsu> pete-woods: I think tedg's idea is to get away from dbus activation, which would circumvent this problem entirely
[13:15] <pete-woods> well all I really care about is there's a proper way for me to copy for any services I write
[13:16] <tedg> Yeah, the way the HUD does it is kinda a hack, but I thought it'd be temporary until we got DBus activation in Upstart.  But I'm not sure that's happening.
[13:16] <tedg> I'm curious if we can't use the dbus monitor in Upstart today to fake it.
[13:16] <tedg> Though I haven't tried.
[13:17] <larsu> tedg: the way the hud does it doesn't work right now...
[13:17] <tedg> I don't know if StartServiceByName actually gets broadcast.
[13:17] <tedg> ?
[13:17] <pete-woods> tedg: dbus service activation doesn't seem to work for HUD atm
[13:17] <larsu> to be fair, it might be a bug in the hud as well
[13:17] <pete-woods> good point
[13:17] <tedg> Hmm, it just worked for me...
[13:18] <larsu> maybe it just hangs right after registering its name
[13:18] <pete-woods> tedg: our test case is killall hud then start unity8
[13:18] <pete-woods> if you have to wait 10s then you also have the problem
[13:18] <tedg> pete-woods, Is upstart confused?  Try "stop hud" ?
[13:19] <tedg> Also I think that the shell script needs to have died as well.
[13:19] <pete-woods> tedg: I get the same if I stop hud nicely with stop hud
[13:20] <tedg> pete-woods, Is dbus-activation-hack.sh still running?
[13:23] <pete-woods> tedg: it doesn't seem to be - I made sure I waited >10s
[13:23] <pete-woods> tedg: we're not ruling out that this could be a problem in HUD, maybe something has broken in it again
[13:24] <tedg> The only thing that's changed there is the dbus paths... it's pretty innocuous.
[13:24] <tedg> Anything in the hud log?
[13:27] <pete-woods> tedg: I haven't had time to investigate it beyond confirming that it happens
[13:33]  * tedg has upgraded and is rebooting his phone
[13:34] <kgunn> anyone else's mumble freaking out?
[13:36] <tedg> So I stopped the HUD.  Opened the webbrowser and then opened the HUD.  There were entries in the browser.
[13:36] <tedg> pete-woods, larsu, is there something else I need to do?
[13:36] <mterry> mzanetti, sound came in right at the end  :-/
[13:37] <mterry> mzanetti, I don't get mumble sometimes
[13:37] <pete-woods> tedg: this is on the desktop
[13:37] <mzanetti> mterry: no worries.
[13:37] <tedg> pete-woods, Unity8 on the desktop?
[13:37] <pete-woods> it means it takes 10s to start unity8 each time you make a change to it
[13:37] <pete-woods> tedg: ues
[13:37] <pete-woods> yes, even
[13:37] <nic-doffay> pstolowski, ping
[13:38] <tedg> pete-woods, How are you running Unity8 on the desktop?
[13:38] <pstolowski> nic-doffay: pong
[13:38] <larsu> tedg: I also don't see any results in unity7
[13:38] <larsu> tedg: it doesn't react to any dbus message
[13:39]  * tedg is confused
[13:39] <tedg> 13.10.1+13.10.20130822.4-0ubuntu1 right?
[13:39] <larsu> yep
[13:40] <larsu> is there a log I could send you?
[13:40] <tedg> You guys should come use my computer, it is seemingly much better than yours.
[13:40] <tedg> :-)
[13:40] <tedg> larsu, Check ~/.cache/upstart/hud.log
[13:40] <larsu> there's one problem with that though: your computer is in Texas
[13:40] <tedg> larsu, So you'd upgrade your location AND your computer!
[13:41] <larsu> I've got a couple of those: (process:17380): hud-service-WARNING **: SIGTERM recieved
[13:41] <larsu> nothing else
[13:41] <tedg> That'd be just when it shutsdown.  Probably shouldn't be a warning.
[13:41] <larsu> right
[13:41] <tedg> initctl list | grep hud
[13:41] <larsu> hud start/running, process 31274
[13:41] <kgunn> mzanetti: ping
[13:41] <mzanetti> kgunn: pong
[13:42] <tedg> larsu, $ hud-cli test
[13:43]  * larsu installs indicator-appmenu-tools
[13:43] <larsu> interesting, that doesn't contain hud-cli
[13:43] <tedg> larsu, hud-tools
[13:44] <larsu> tedg: thanks. Bash told me it is in indicator-appmenu-tools
[13:44] <tedg> Huh, I thought that was autogenerated... perhaps it needs to be updated.
[13:45] <larsu> tedg: "search token: test", then nothing for a while, then "** (process:32182): WARNING **: Unable to get a HUD proxy: Error calling StartServiceByName for com.canonical.hud: Timeout was reached"
[13:45] <tedg> larsu, try stopping it "stop hud" and then do it again.
[13:46] <kgunn> mterry: ping
[13:46] <larsu> tedg: same result
[13:46] <tedg> Wonder if I'm running the old dbus in my session.
[13:47] <larsu> tedg: actually, the error is different: ** (process:32208): WARNING **: Unable to get a HUD proxy: Error calling StartServiceByName for com.canonical.hud: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.TimedOut: Activation of com.canonical.hud timed out
[13:47] <larsu> well, for some values of "different"
[13:47] <tedg> larsu, I'm going to reboot a second to see if that's the case.
[13:50] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, apparently a lot of the backend scope unit tests already test the functionality. What else would you recommend testing in the filters QML side?
[13:50] <tedg> larsu, Huh, no, still works: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6062728/
[13:52] <larsu> tedg: weird. I assume this is plain saucy as well?
[13:52] <tedg> larsu, Yeah, nothing special besides being in Texas.
[13:53] <tedg> larsu, Try covering your laptop in BBQ sauce.
[13:53] <larsu> hm, maybe that's it :P
[13:53] <larsu> HAHA
[13:54] <kgunn> mterry: ping
[13:56] <mterry> kgunn, hi
[13:56] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: I want a test that checks if that overlay indeed shows up when I click the filter icon, if clicking the bottom area dismisses it, and if interacting with the optionselector inside that overlay actually works
[13:56] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, gotcha
[13:57] <mzanetti> kgunn: here's the branch with the code: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/ofono/+merge/177814
[13:57] <mzanetti> kgunn: and here's the video of it: http://ubuntuone.com/4mdKuE6k2KvdQE9ie2nYF8
[14:10] <mzanetti> dednick|lunch: let me know when you're back. have some results for your branches
[14:12] <tedg> dednick|lunch, It looks like the multi-icon branch landed \o/  But I'm still not getting multiple icons... anything I need to do?
[14:16] <dednick> mzanetti: i'm back. just forgot to change status
[14:17] <dednick> tedg: not that i know of. if you give icons they should be displayed
[14:17] <tedg> dednick, Are you getting a cell signal level on your panel?
[14:17] <dednick> tedg: nope
[14:18] <tedg> larsu, Just tried the guest session and that worked for me as well, can you try that?
[14:18] <dednick> tedg: sometimes i do
[14:19] <tedg> dednick, Hmm, that's weird.
[14:19] <tedg> I'm definitely exporting it.
[14:19] <mzanetti> dednick: so, I've installed a package of lars's branch and ./run_on_device yours
[14:19] <tedg> dednick, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6062829/
[14:20] <dednick> tedg: hm. let me take a look
[14:20] <mzanetti> dednick: the messages icon in the panel is missing, but I do get missed calls in the messages tab. calling back works fine. need to test with SMS still
[14:20] <dednick> mzanetti: cool.
[14:21] <larsu> tedg: no output at all and the process exits immediately. Also, no indicators in the guest session...
[14:21] <tedg> larsu, You need to start it from lightdm, not the session menu :-(
[14:21] <larsu> tedg: because upstart?
[14:21] <larsu> will try again
[14:21] <tedg> larsu, Yeah, for some reason they're starting the session differently.
[14:22] <tedg> Which seems really bad, but I don't understand why yet.
[14:23] <larsu> tedg: works as it should when I log in from lightdm
[14:23] <larsu> let me try restarting my own session
[14:24] <tedg> larsu, Delete everything in your home directory and try again.
[14:24] <tedg> ;-)
[14:25] <dednick> tedg: gsm-3g-medium doesnt exist in the theme
[14:26] <dednick> tedg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1212184
[14:26] <larsu> tedg: doesn't time out anymore, but no output either
[14:26] <larsu> tedg: the hud itself also doesn't work, but doesn't show the never ending spinner anymore
[14:27] <tedg> dednick, I've got one as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1220418
[14:27] <tedg> dednick, Those exist in the mono set, do we not fall back to that?
[14:27] <dednick> tedg: dont think it is installed on phone
[14:28] <tedg> dednick, They're in Humanity as well.
[14:28] <dednick> tedg: apparently not then
[14:28] <tedg> Okay, so I'll put them in as temp icons in indicator-network.
[14:28] <tedg> larsu, Interesting, but at least it's running :-)
[14:29] <tedg> larsu, This is on Unity8 in the emulator thing or Unity 7?
[14:31] <larsu> tedg: unity7
[14:32] <tedg> dednick, Cool, I copied the icons manually into the mobile theme and they work!  \o/
[14:32]  * tedg has two bars!
[14:33] <dednick> tedg: deisgn is working on it, but dont know when they're actually going to put them in.
[14:33] <tedg> larsu, Stupid question, but making sure, do you have unity-gtk-module installed?
[14:33] <tedg> dednick, Eh, I can put temp ones in.  We can't block on them.  We already have a bunch.
[14:35] <larsu> tedg: yes :)
[14:36] <larsu> tedg: I already said this to pete, this is not the most pressing issue. Just wanted to let you guys know.
[14:42] <mzanetti> dandrader: added tests. can you review/approve?
[14:42] <mzanetti> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix-1219035/+merge/183866
[14:45] <dandrader> mzanetti, sure
[14:46] <tedg> larsu, Okay.  It is odd.
[14:46] <tedg> larsu, Were you able to figure out the unity menu model thing for custom actions?
[14:51] <mzanetti> dednick: replying to an sms works too. only thing is that the notification icon doesn't show up in the panel
[14:51] <larsu> tedg: nope, I still have the same problem
[14:51] <larsu> tedg: apparently mzanetti doesn't, though^^
[14:52] <dednick> larsu: i'm going to approve
[14:52] <mzanetti> I built a package from larsu's branch and installed that to the phone. rebooted and used run_on_device to run dednick's branch
[14:53] <larsu> I'm throughly confused about what is going on :)
[14:53] <larsu> but anyway, glad it works for all of you
[14:53]  * tedg took a walk and tested one bar, two bars and three bars of signal level... now I need a cell tower to test four.
[14:53] <dandrader> mzanetti, how do I run autopilot tests. I'm getting a "RuntimeError: Unable to locate unity8 binary: CalledProcessError()"
[14:53] <dandrader> mzanetti,  but unity8 is build
[14:54] <dandrader> built
[14:54] <mzanetti> larsu: you can close the bug with status WORKSFORYOU :P
[14:54] <dednick> dandrader: you need to install
[14:54] <larsu> mzanetti: haha!
[14:54] <mzanetti> dandrader: need to do a make install in the builddir
[14:54] <dandrader> oh no
[14:54] <dednick> dandrader: just to local. make install in build folder.
[14:55] <dednick> dandrader: i think it goes to ./builddir/install
[14:55] <dednick> by default anyway
[14:55]  * mzanetti whishes the make install wasn't needed
[14:55] <dandrader> dednick, right. thanks!
[14:56] <dednick> maybe mzanetti should fix it such that it isnt ;)
[14:56] <mzanetti> or... if the make autopilot target would be able to filter tests. then it would solve the problem too
[14:56] <dandrader> mzanetti, then I run autopilot from where? I'm a bit lost now
[14:56] <mzanetti> dandrader: to run all tests, simply do a make autopilot in builddir
[14:57] <mzanetti> dandrader: to run single tests, you need to do the make install in the builddir every time you change some code and then go to tests/autopilot
[14:57] <mzanetti> dandrader: and run with "autopilot run unity8...."
[15:02] <mzanetti> dandrader: ah, fyi: the notifications autopilot tests will fail unless you either kill your notifyosd or launch a new dbus session bus before starting the test suite
[15:08] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, any idea how to run individual tests with the Unity.Test module?
[15:09] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: do you mean a single test, or a single test suite?
[15:09] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, a single test with qmltestrunner
[15:10] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: the problem is, qmltestrunner doesn't restart the app during the run of a whole suite. so running a single test would give you different results
[15:10] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: but the test suites aren't that big. which one are you working on?
[15:10] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, qmluitests
[15:10] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: how do you run them?
[15:11] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, from the builddir make qmluitests
[15:11] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: ah ok... you're running all test suites
[15:11] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: use "make testXXX" where XXX is the test suite you want
[15:11] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, right I figured that was one suite, my mistake.
[15:12] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: for example "make testPageHeader" runs the PageHeader tests.
[15:12] <dandrader> mzanetti, reviewed
[15:12] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: to see your test while working on it, you can use "make tryPageHeader"
[15:12] <mzanetti> dandrader: thanks
[15:14] <mzanetti> dandrader: done
[15:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, likewise
[15:17] <mzanetti> dandrader: lol. yes you are :) I was actually thinking about adding "except on the button itself" :)
[15:18] <dandrader> hehehe
[15:22] <dandrader> mzanetti, actually, on a second thought, won't the hud button always disappear anyway (HUD being activated or not)?
[15:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: yes. indeed
[15:23] <dandrader> mzanetti, therefore shouldn't we be checking whether the hud is being activated or not instead?
[15:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: but this test deals only with releasing it outside. the next test is the one that releases it on the button
[15:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: right... fair point. I'll add that check too
[15:27] <mzanetti> dandrader|afk: pushed
[15:39] <dednick> mzanetti: ping
[15:39] <mzanetti> dednick: pong
[15:39] <dednick> mzanetti: how goes the sim pin ui?
[15:39] <mzanetti> dednick: what you mean with how goes?
[15:39] <dednick> how is it going? :)
[15:40] <mzanetti> dednick: havent managed to integrate it as a notification yet
[15:40] <dednick> ok
[15:42] <dednick> i've got the network indicator sending of a notification, but for now i'm just using wifi-auth ui. now just got to get the pin back...
[15:42] <dednick> mzanetti: ^
[15:42] <mzanetti> dednick: oh wow, cool
[15:47] <kgunn> greyback: ricmm ... the switch we've been dicussing will be boot-time right ?
[15:47] <kgunn> based on qt plugin
[15:47] <dednick> mzanetti: problem is that i have no idea how MacSlow intended to get data back to the backend. He's got some feedback interface, but actually using it might be a different story.
[15:48] <mzanetti> dednick: at which branch are you looking?
[15:48] <dednick> mzanetti: lp:~macslow/unity-notifications/extended-snap-decisions
[15:48] <dednick> lp:~macslow/unity8/extended-snap-decisions
[15:49] <mzanetti> dednick: ok, will look at it now
[15:52] <nic-doffay> larsu, ping
[15:53] <kgunn> dednick: do you know jussi who does the backend for notifications?...not sure, would it help to chat with him ?
[15:53] <kgunn> he's finnish so might be eod
[15:55] <dednick> kgunn: thanks
[15:55] <larsu> nic-doffay: yep
[15:55] <nic-doffay> larsu, any idea how I can enable the icon themes for Unity qmluitests?
[15:56] <larsu> nic-doffay: no... what's the problem?
[15:56] <nic-doffay> larsu, not seeing the icon again.
[15:56] <nic-doffay> running the pageHeader test.
[15:57] <larsu> nic-doffay: how do I run that manually?
[15:57] <nic-doffay> larsu, go to the builddir
[15:57] <nic-doffay> run make tryPageHeader
[15:57] <nic-doffay> or make testPageHeader
[15:58] <nic-doffay> larsu, from my branch though.
[15:58] <nic-doffay> larsu, lp:~nicolas-doffay/unity8/filter-selector
[15:58]  * larsu branches away
[16:00] <larsu> nic-doffay: I'm guessing your test is not running the unity8 binary?
[16:03] <nic-doffay> larsu, no.
[16:03] <larsu> nic-doffay: so most likely the theme isn't set to "ubuntu-mobile", and the "filter" icon is only in there
[16:04] <larsu> nic-doffay: call QIcon::setThemeName("ubuntu-mobile"); in your test startup
[16:04] <larsu> the test does pass though......
[16:04] <larsu> :)
[16:04] <nic-doffay> larsu, at the moment
[16:04] <nic-doffay> I haven't pushed anything else.
[16:04] <nic-doffay> You'll see the filter's icon isn't visible too
[16:04] <nic-doffay> and you can't click on it for whatever reason
[16:04] <nic-doffay> Need to get to the bottom of this.
[16:05] <nic-doffay> larsu, since this is a qml test how can I call that function from qmlside?
[16:06] <larsu> nic-doffay: not sure if you can call it from qml at all. Is it one of those QUICK_TEST_MAIN deals?
[16:06] <nic-doffay> larsu, as I suspected
[16:06] <nic-doffay> larsu, not sure tbh
[16:10] <larsu> nic-doffay: ah, qmltestrunner. So I don't think this will be possible, unless we can add it to some module that your test imports
[16:10] <larsu> but it doesn't look like there's any testing-specific c++ plugin
[16:11] <nic-doffay> larsu, hmm it might be detrimental to some of the visual tests
[16:11] <nic-doffay> But I guess if they pass they pass.
[16:17] <larsu> nic-doffay: adding it to the Unity.Test module might be okay
[16:18] <larsu> nic-doffay: http://paste.debian.net/35020/
[16:18] <larsu> not sure _how_ ugly people would find that, but at least it solves this problem :)
[16:19] <nic-doffay> larsu, I'll take a look at the test case code.
[16:20] <nic-doffay> Maybe there's another place to put it.
[16:20] <nic-doffay> larsu, cheers though
[16:26] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, you there?
[16:26] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: yes
[16:27] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, simple mouse test isn't being executed, is there anything I need to be aware of?
[16:27] <nic-doffay> https://pastebin.canonical.com/96871/
[16:27] <nic-doffay> I can click it in a qmlscene
[16:27] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: is it inside a UnityTest {} ?
[16:27] <nic-doffay> The test fails though, I'm not sure what more I need to do than trigger a mouseClick on a MouseArea at 0, 0
[16:28] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah
[16:29] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: don't know whats going on. you'd need to push the code
[16:32] <mhr3> pete-woods, ping?
[16:32] <pete-woods> mhr3: hi
[16:33] <mhr3> pete-woods, hey did you already with the zeitgeist tracing?
[16:33] <mhr3> already start*
[16:33] <pete-woods> mhr3: not yet, the other stuff I was working on has taken longer than I anticipated
[16:34] <mhr3> oh, so it's not just me :)
[16:34] <pete-woods> ;)
[16:34] <mhr3> pete-woods, ok, so i'll try it
[16:34] <pete-woods> mhr3: as in you're going to do the profiling?
[16:34] <mhr3> yeah
[16:35] <pete-woods> okay, well I'm never going to complain about less work for me
[16:35] <pete-woods> just wish I'd been able to take it off hands sooner
[16:35] <pete-woods> *your
[16:54] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the inverseMouseArea works fine.
[16:54] <nic-doffay> The test
[16:54] <nic-doffay> https://pastebin.canonical.com/96879/
[16:54] <nic-doffay> That fails.
[16:54] <nic-doffay> Because it's collapsed after selected the inverseMouseArea
[16:54] <nic-doffay> however the normal mouse area still doesn't click in the test.
[16:56] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: you're clicking the inverseMouseArea, that's the one that make it collapse, right?
[16:56] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yes that works.
[16:56] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, the other doesn't.
[16:57] <mzanetti> but after clicking, you check if its expanded
[16:57] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah that fails which is expected from the inverseMouseArea.
[16:57] <nic-doffay> Since it's not 'expanded'
[16:57] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, here's the whole test currently: https://pastebin.canonical.com/96880/
[16:58] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, if I replace line 6 with "filterSelector.state = 'expanded'" it works
[16:58] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: try to use tryCompare()
[16:59] <mzanetti> and maybe click in the center of the mousearea, instead of 0,0, or try with 1,1 at least
[17:01] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, I've tried offsetting the values.
[17:01] <nic-doffay> no luck with tryCompare either.
[17:03] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: can you push the code so I can try to find out?
[17:04] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, yeah just trying some last ditch efforts
[17:06] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, pushed
[17:14] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: found it
[17:14] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: so, you need to call pageHeader.triggerSearch() in the beginning to make the search label appear
[17:14] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: and then use some tryCompare() to wait for the textField to become visible
[17:17] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, ah I tried triggerSearch without an asynchronous call. Guess that's where I went wrong. cheers
[17:17] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: also 2 other hints:
[17:17] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: it's better to click on the icon instead of the mousearea. because the user will click on the icon too. so you will catch the case if the mousearea doesn't work for some reason
[17:18] <mzanetti> nic-doffay: and also make sure to restore the pageheader at the end of your test to not cause other tests to fail (collapse the overlay and hide the searchfield
[17:18] <nic-doffay> mzanetti, gotcha
[19:15] <mterry> jenkins seems mad about some launcher api change?
[19:21] <greyback> mterry: there was an api change in unity-api, could be causing it. This needs to land to fix it: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-appmanager/+merge/183837
[19:24] <mterry> boiko, heyo!  I was just thinking about the phone again.  Is there a bug I can watch for progress on qml-ification?
[19:25] <mterry> (for the benefit of the greeter integrating the dialer)
[19:45]  * greyback eod
[20:07] <fajung1> how do style a toolbar GTK_STYLE_CLASS_PRIMARY_TOOLBAR in Qt 5.1 ?
[21:01] <mhall119> it would be nice if, in addition to Unity getting the "average" color of a wallpaper, it could also identify a "highlight" color to replace the orange we use
[21:01] <mhall119> or at the very least, a way of setting it manually
[21:03] <Daekdroom> mhall119, would that fit the icon theme?
[21:03] <Daekdroom> The orange window close button is an image as well.
[21:05] <mhall119> Daekdroom: looks red to me
[21:06] <Daekdroom> I think how it has a color that is not monochrome-ish is the point.
[21:06] <Daekdroom> (also, that depends on your monitor calibration and perception)
[21:13] <boiko> mterry: hmm, there is no bug to track that one, let me create one


[17:11] <MaryContrary> I am new to this game.  Am I supposed to be able to see anything apart from a list of names?
[17:13] <IdleOne> game?
[17:15] <MaryContrary> Sorry, colloquial English.  New to this method of communication.  I thought there was a discussion here at 1800 or am I an hour late?
[17:15] <IdleOne> at 18:00 UTC which is in 45 minutes
[17:16] <MaryContrary> Thanks.
[17:17] <IdleOne> sure thing
[17:50] <pleia2> meeting in 10 minutes :)
[17:50] <pleia2> welcome MaryContrary
[18:01] <Cheri703> o/ I am here
[18:01]  * pleia2 waves
[18:01] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[18:01] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting? :)
[18:01] <Cheri703> o/
[18:01] <IdleOne> o/ part of it at least :)
[18:01] <pleia2> #link http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[18:02] <pleia2> #topic Blueprint progress
[18:02] <IdleOne> Please to ignore the attack warning page
[18:02] <pleia2> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-q-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[18:02] <pleia2> yeah, on the topic of the warning - I'm working with Canonical IS to get to the bottom of it
[18:04] <pleia2> so, blueprint progress
[18:05] <pleia2> I haven't really made any progress on getting us linked elsewhere, this malware warning has eaten up some of my time, and I want it fixed before asking people to link to us :)
[18:06] <IdleOne> sensible
[18:06] <pleia2> I suspect this is causing delays for Cheri703's item too, since this problem will be hurting our search rankings
[18:06] <Cheri703> yeah, I figured I'd hold off like a week or two after the warning is taken care of
[18:06] <pleia2> paulproteus, Pendulum, either of you about?
[18:07] <pleia2> #action pleia2 to reach out to paulproteus and Pendulum to see what they need (help, information, etc) to move forward on blueprint items
[18:07] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to reach out to paulproteus and Pendulum to see what they need (help, information, etc) to move forward on blueprint items
[18:10] <pleia2> anyone else have comments on our blueprint?
[18:10] <pleia2> #topic Leadership election update
[18:11] <pleia2> jledbetter was going to try to find another volunteer to help her coordinate the leadership election
[18:11] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/LeadershipElectionProcess explains what needs to be done
[18:12] <pleia2> Cheri703: think you can follow up with jledbetter about progress here?
[18:13] <Cheri703> yeah
[18:13] <pleia2> #action Cheri703 to follow-up with jledbetter about Leadership election progress
[18:13] <meetingology> ACTION: Cheri703 to follow-up with jledbetter about Leadership election progress
[18:13] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:13] <pleia2> that's all we've really got on the agenda
[18:14] <Cheri703> sure!
[18:14] <pleia2> #topic Announcements, comments, questions
[18:14] <Cheri703> I am going to be in/near Rochester, NY the weekend of the 20th if anyone is around there and wanted to grab dinner or something :)
[18:14] <nigelb> Isn't AdaCamp this week? Anyone from UW there?
[18:15] <pleia2> nigelb: yeah, it's right now :)
[18:15] <nigelb> ah
[18:15] <pleia2> maco and Lila Pagola at least are attending (based on thread on list)
[18:15] <nigelb> oh cool.
[18:17] <pleia2> I just got confirmation today that I'll be on a Women in Tech panel at LISA in San Diego in December
[18:17] <nigelb> \o/
[18:17] <pleia2> should be cool :)
[18:18] <pleia2> Cheri703: might want to nudge cprofitt, he lives up there (he's a CC member, very friendly, made me feel quite at home on my last visit up that way!)
[18:18] <nigelb> Aha
[18:18] <nigelb> That's why Rochester sounded familiar :)
[18:19] <pleia2> yeah, much great NY LoCo stuff up there
[18:19] <pleia2> I'm inclined to wrap this up now, anyone else have anything?
[18:19] <Cheri703> I may, I am visiting my parents, so I'll have to get a better look at what time I'll have
[18:19] <Cheri703> I don't have anything specific this month
[18:20] <IdleOne> pleia2:
[18:20] <IdleOne> if jledbetter needs some help with the ekections thing I am willing to give a hand
[18:20] <IdleOne> elections*
[18:20] <pleia2> IdleOne: great, thank you!
[18:21] <pleia2> Cheri703: ^^ can you pass that along too?
[18:21] <Cheri703> of course :)
[18:21] <pleia2> \o/
[18:21] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[18:21] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[18:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 10 18:21:32 2012 UTC.
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[18:21]  * MarkDude was wondering WHO is gonna be at OSCON and CLS
[18:22] <MarkDude> pleia2, will be, having won an awesome award
[18:22] <MarkDude> :)
[18:23] <pleia2> still quite in shock over it :)
[18:24] <pleia2> I need to work out the schedule with my boss though, I'll at least be there on Friday for OSCON
[18:24] <pleia2> no CLS though
[18:24] <IdleOne> I'm sorry, what award did you win?
[18:24] <pleia2> IdleOne: an O'Reilly Open Source award
[18:24]  * IdleOne feels bad for not knowing this already
[18:24] <pleia2> it's not really something that's been announced
[18:24] <IdleOne> Well congratulations.
[18:25] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:34] <MarkDude> It should hella be announced
[18:34] <MarkDude> WHO has OPS in UW?
[18:34] <MarkDude> They should add it to announce
[18:35] <pleia2> I don't really know the protocol on this, it's not been formally announced anywhere ;)
[18:35] <pleia2> I'll certainly write about it after I accept it next Friday
[18:36] <MarkDude> bkerensa announced it, he almost has more followers than Ubuntu- does that count?
[18:37] <pleia2> where?
[18:38] <pleia2> I think I prefer to keep it more under my hat until next week though :)
[18:39]  * MarkDude was going to edit your head on Sally Fields accepting her award saying " you like me, you really like me"
[18:39] <MarkDude> Not really of course
[18:39] <pleia2> hahah
[18:39] <MarkDude> :D
[18:39] <MarkDude> They dont announce it til the day of
[18:40] <MarkDude> Nevermind :)


[05:21] <knome> lol, only two weeks to UIFreeze
[05:21] <knome> time, where have you gone
[06:12] <knome> Unit193, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703561928689057812/1014779669624655953/draft-1.png
[06:13] <knome> oh, and pleia2 ping ^
[06:13] <knome> who else?)
[09:43] <guiverc> another entire-disk install today (RC) followed by install alongside... today only 1 ESP exists... this box however is EFI & needs ESP; yesterday's box (with 2x ESP for same installs) couldn't use ESP being BIOS
[10:59] <bluesabre> knome: neat concept :)
[11:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: nah, not too late


[03:16] <jsgotangco> top of the morning :)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> wow that nokia 770 tablet sure looks sweet
[04:17] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:18] <easthero> jiyuu0, heloo
[08:38] <jsgotangco> hmm would it be possible to encrypt an email message even without a proper digital signature?
[08:43] <robitaille> you could encrypt+compress the message using "zip -e" and attach the resulting zip file to the e-mail. But the recipient would need the password you used to decrypt it.  zip is probably not the most secure form of encryption
[10:05] <jsgotangco> enrico, hi
[10:12] <enrico> hi
[10:20] <mdke> morning all
[10:21] <Burgundavia> salut
[10:29] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:33] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:13] <Kinnison> Morning
[01:14] <mpt> morning Kinnison
[08:49] <venda> evening
[08:50] <jjesse> hello venda
[08:52] <venda> hi jjesse what new?
[08:52] <jjesse> not much, spent some time looking over the network install guide last night
[08:52] <venda> how di dit go
[08:52] <jjesse> looked good
[08:53] <venda> think you can work it into the instalguide?
[08:53] <jjesse> didn't finish readin it but i can sure work on it
[08:53] <venda> OK, I think it should go at then of the install guide, but we need to work it into the top of the dock
[08:54] <venda> at the end
[08:55] <venda> it's in article format at present, so guess you will need to change the semantics when you move it into the instalguide
[08:56] <jjesse> ok i might need some help on this as i haven't done really big work before but i'll learn my way through
[08:56] <jjesse> :)
[08:57] <venda> jjesse: can you commit often on it when you start working, so I can work with you on it
[08:57] <venda> you have commit access yes?
[08:57] <jjesse> no i don't have commit access
[08:57] <jjesse> which is why i just sent the last .diff of the kquickguide
[08:57] <venda> please send your pgp keys to elmo
[08:57] <jjesse> ok will do
[08:57] <venda> let's get you commit
[08:58] <venda> I will let enrico know so he can arrange that elmo will do it for you.
[08:58] <jjesse> alrighty where do find the information to send to elmo?
[08:59] <venda> jjesse: you need to create a pgp key
[08:59] <jjesse> i did we worked on that awhile ago and i sent it a keyserver
[08:59] <venda> ok so you should have the public key on your system
[09:00] <venda> where did you store it
[09:00] <venda> send the public key to elmo
[09:00] <jjesse> ok
[09:01] <venda> if you work small and commit often I can help you if there are problems
[09:01] <jjesse> ok i'll get that taken care of tonight when i get home from work
[11:24] <venda> good night


[04:22] <alkisg> David_Hedlund: in that case, mate-terminal doesn't have a listener for that event, so you'd need to submit a patch upstream
[04:22] <alkisg> Btw note that you can spawn "different colored tabs" with something like: mate-terminal --tab-with-profile=ssh


[09:17] <Regor> whats the command to monitor bandwidth consumption ?
[09:27] <diogenes_> Regor, you can use etherape.
[09:42] <Regor> ok
[09:45] <nikolam> any chance someone remembers, how to change location or turn off displaying of volume level pop-up window, while I am changing the volume.
[09:45] <nikolam> It interferes with changing the volume, in the upper-right corner of the screen
[09:46] <rud0lf> i think it's a common notification popup
[09:46] <rud0lf> and you can change it in notifiation settings to either corner
[09:47] <rud0lf> but it's gonna affect every else notification
[09:54] <nikolam> Thanks, it surely interferes. I moved it to lower right for now, because on lower left comes up Thunderbird mail notifications
[10:15] <guiverc> Regor, `iftop` (interface top) is a cli monitor of bandwidth usage; there are many (won't be as pretty as etherape)
[10:23] <Regor> using iftop ....its cool ! 😀
[13:35] <xubuntu63w> hey all. Anyone having issues with Xubuntu 19.10 and ZFS?
[13:47] <tomreyn> no polls please, describe the issue.
[13:59] <xubuntu63w> righto. sry. Clean default install using experimental XFS option on a Thinkpad  SL300 laptop. On completion, I reboot into the newly installed OS, where it runs fine for a couple of hours. It then freezes on  firefox browsing, and the only way to get out is to force reboot with reisub. After that I reboot and get to login screen, but am now stuck
[13:59] <xubuntu63w> in login loop. I fall back to console to try a couple of fixes, but find nothing in my home directory. I then rolled back to a snapshot I took, but still have same login  loop issue.
[14:01] <diogenes_> experimental XFS or ZFS?
[14:02] <tomreyn> xubuntu63w: what are the hardware specifications? ram, graphics card?
[14:02] <xubuntu63w> Sorry, typo - ZFS
[14:04] <tomreyn> https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/solutions/pd010318 states "Supports maximum memory up to 4GB". that's not enough for zfs.
[14:05] <tomreyn> bug 1847785
[14:09] <tomreyn> requrements may be a bit lower for ubuntu, and it may be possible to limit the memory overhead of ZFS, but even if you have 4 GB RAM installed (of which some hundreds will be used by intel graphics) it'll get difficult to run a full graphical desktop on top.
[14:22] <xubuntu63w> yeah, I have 3gig. I didn't really chase up specs for ZFS on ubuntu, but I did note that ZFS on Linux has minimum reqs of 2 gig, so I thought I might get away with it, especially with the lower resource requirements of xubuntu. Obviously not enough going off the bug notes though.........
[14:31] <xubuntu63w> All good. Going back to ext4. Thanks.
[14:33] <tomreyn> you're welcome!
[20:39] <xubuntu96w> sorry , dont speaking english, i need Espanish
[20:40] <xubuntu96w> need password Xubuntu 1204
[20:40] <tomreyn> !es | xubuntu96w
[20:41] <tomreyn> !12.04
[20:43] <xubuntu96w> ok , thanks(y) :]
[20:47] <tomreyn> de nada
[21:55] <travisebro92> Can I ask why is xubuntu not supporting 32 bit on the 19.10 xubuntu is based on light system this is why they created I mean it been populur sinse I can remember people still have 32 bit processors and it kind of odd why there not going to stop supporting it
[21:56] <Unit193> Xubuntu doesn't actually target light systems, it just happens to do decently on them.  Ubuntu as a whole is deprecating 32bit, so it'd be impossible for Xubuntu to continue on that.
[22:01] <Unit193> I guess that wasn't the desired answer..


[10:39] <mmaksimov> Hi all. I still have trouble booting Natty Alpha1 on one machine, the BIOS does not seem to recognize the CD as bootable. I've double-checked the iso and the CD, I've booted another machine from that CD, I've re-burned the image and checked another CD... It just doesn't boot on that machine. Any suggestions not involving booting from USB?
[10:42] <UndiFineD> sledgehammer it ?
[10:43] <M0hi> mmaksimov, tried a Live USB?
[10:43] <M0hi> aww
[10:43] <M0hi> It might be your hardware issue
[10:43] <UndiFineD> flash the bios ?
[10:44] <M0hi> yours is a desktop or a laptop?
[10:44] <M0hi> UndiFineD, yeah thats also an option
[10:55] <mmaksimov> M0hi, a desktop. And it boots normally from, say, Lubuntu 10.10 CD :(
[10:55] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, wait a few days, Alpha 2 is due.
[10:58] <mmaksimov> Yorvyk, I think I will. Just wanted to help testing alpha1 ;)
[11:00] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, what happens with Alpha 1, does it try to boot the CD
[11:14] <mmaksimov> Yorvyk, no, the BIOS doesn't regard the CD as bootable. "Non-system disk or disk error, instert system disk and press..."
[11:18] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, Hmmmm, what speed are you writing the CD at?
[11:23] <mmaksimov> Yorvyk, lowest possible for a device. One disk at 4x, another at 8x. They are both read and checksumed correctly on the desktop that doesn't boot from them (I've installed 10.10 for that purpose). The one burned at 4x was burned on that same desktop.
[11:33] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, Bizaare :/
[11:35] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, if you want to play with the Alpha release you could upgrade 10.10 to Natty
[11:42] <mmaksimov> Yorvyk, this will not resolve the CD-booting issue :)
[11:43] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, no, it's just an alternative way of playing with Natty if you so wish.
[11:44] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, What hardware is it maybe others have had the same problem
[11:50] <mmaksimov> (opening up the box to see the motherboard)
[11:58] <mmaksimov> Yorvyk, MS7005 ver.2 board (probably MSI's) with P4 CPU
[12:06] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, I can't find any reports of anybody having problems with that mobo, hopefully it will just be a quirk with Alpha1 and Alpha 2 wiil work.
[12:27] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov,  for future reference your board is MSI 651M-V
[12:40] <mmaksimov> Yorvyk, thanks
[12:42] <Yorvyk> mmaksimov, np, hope Alpha 2 works for you
[14:13] <phillw> ;flood
[14:14] <phillw> grrr.....
[14:14] <phillw> too used to dragoneyes!!!!
[14:15] <M0hi> phillw, LOL


[02:23] <Hund> hggdh: I would like to change lathund to Hund or Hund0b1 if the first one is
[02:24] <Hund> Not available.
[12:52] <hggdh> Hund: welcome to your new cloak name
[12:53] <Pici> woo
[13:17] <jpds> Pici: -f ?
[13:17] <Fuchs> dis someone tell hund that his name means dog? ;p
[14:57] <Hund> hggdh: Thanks!
[14:58] <Hund> Fuchs: I'm Swedish. ;)
[15:15] <Fuchs> oh, then you are aware :)
[15:15] <Fuchs> hai dog, and congratulations on the cloak update
[16:04] <Hund> Fuchs: Haha! Thanks.
[16:05] <Hund> I happen to like dogs. My family have 6 dogs atm. :)
[16:07] <Fuchs> aww. I was just wondering, I didn't know that it's the same word in Swedish as in German. Apparently it is. Ah well
[16:21] <Hund> It is.
[16:22] <Hund> I got well aware of it back in the days when I played COD. So many people talking German with me.. I never understood a word.


 I would be surprised if fonts-ubuntu isn't provided by fonts-ubuntu-classic
[07:27] <PowderedChocolat> I am currently using Lubuntu 22.04.2, I just saw Lubuntu's website has released 22.04.3, should I re-install Lubuntu to use 22.04.03, or would a simple apt-update apt upgrade make my system match this new LTS version?
[07:32] <guiverc> PowderedChocolat, if you apply all security fixes (ie. `sudo apt update` to update software lists & `sudo apt full-upgrade` to apply all upgrades) you'll have been using 22.04.3 by the weekend BEFORE 22.04.3's official release.
[07:32] <PowderedChocolat> woah cool
[07:32] <guiverc> the official release relates to the ISO release; installed systems already having upgraded
[07:32] <PowderedChocolat> fantastic
[07:32] <guiverc> ISO, ie. something you can download & install fresh (all updates included on that ISO)
[07:33] <PowderedChocolat> Is tehre any advantage to re-installed the newest ISo
[07:33] <PowderedChocolat> or should I just sudo apt full-upgrade
[07:33] <guiverc> No advantage... I'd just upgrade normally...
[07:33] <PowderedChocolat> ok great
[07:33] <PowderedChocolat> Is the LTS support timeframe the same?
[07:34] <PowderedChocolat> Support lasts just as long
[07:34] <guiverc> on https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/08/11/ubuntu-22-04-3-lts-released/ you'll read  "As usual, this point release includes many updates and updated installation media has been provided so that fewer updates will need to be downloaded after installation."  ie. it's a 22.04 system still ; the .3 only showing what upgrades you've applied to it.
[07:35] <guiverc> try using `neofetch` from terminal , or `lsb_release -a` to see what you're running :)
[07:37] <PowderedCocholat> yeah
[07:38] <PowderedCocholat> I need guidance to upgrade my LUKS version from v1, to v2.
[07:38] <PowderedCocholat> https://tails.net/security/argon2id/
[07:38] <PowderedCocholat> I did a LUKSDUMP and it shows Version: 1 meaning I am probably using the less-secure PBKDF2, when Version 2 LUKS uses Argon2id. How do I upgrade? I'm using Lubuntu 22.04.2 LTS.
[16:48] <dragon_> Has anyone had issues with printers lately?
[16:49] <dragon_> I tried to print something at work, and neither printers turned up, my pc doesn`t find any. I haven`t used printers since before the summer holiday in june
[16:49] <dragon_> ...then they worked fine
[16:49] <wxl> printers and issues are synonymous with one another but there's no new regressions that i know of
[16:50] <dragon_> I am in Lubuntu 23.04
[16:51] <dragon_> I have to look into it, and make things work again
[16:51] <dragon_> I have had issues with a particular HP printer a long time, I need to download a software to handle it in windows too.
[16:52] <dragon_> But this time, the ones nothing turns up on the list of printers
 if printers arent discoverable on your network you'd have to add them individually.
 not all printers are openly discoverable.