[06:56] <krytarik> Bashing-om: Responding to a related question of yours someplace else (#irssi), yes the link to my autobleh repo on that page could be updated to <https://git.launchpad.net/~krytarik/+git/autobleh> (while no changes since yet) and no I don't know of an alternative link to the Irssi aliases.


[11:49] <az> hello, I've installed a dictionary software that it need the command line to run "espeak" command. Snap version doesn't allow the command to run. How to fix that?
[11:49] <az> tested on apt version and it works


[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[22:56] <wxl> i sent rt an email a whlie back about getting hosting for our loco and i haven't heard anything beyond the autoreply. do you guys know how long i should wait?


[00:41] <surgemcgee> =8>
[00:41] <surgemcgee> just checking.. and streching my legs.
[00:56] <m_3> SpamapS: ^^ (quantal branches) I couldn't push to quantal branches either... bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~mark-mims/charms/quantal/junk/trunk/": : No such distribution series: 'quantal'.
[01:08] <m_3> adam_g: give that another try when you get a chance
[01:09] <m_3> SpamapS: please double-check https://launchpad.net/charms/quantal when you get a chance
[01:09] <adam_g> m_3: looks like it works now. :)
[01:09] <m_3> adam_g: cool thanks
[01:10] <m_3> we hadn't actually created a distro series for quantal yet
[01:41] <imbrandon> m_3: you catch my note about the github svn + bzr svn interface ?
[01:42] <m_3> imbrandon: yup... I'd have to try it out
[01:43] <imbrandon> cool cool ,me too, i just tried it enought to see if it was r/o or r/w
[01:44] <imbrandon> once i seen it was r/w i was hmmmm i bet the bzr-svn and git-svn tools are much more mature :)
[01:44] <imbrandon> but its just for $sometime
[01:49] <m_3> cool
[01:49] <m_3> yeah, that's a great idea if we keep up the gitpad mirror
[01:50] <imbrandon> yea and the url is the same as the git https one except it drops the .git from the end
[01:50] <imbrandon> for co etc
[03:11]  * zooko looks at https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/write-charm.html
[03:33] <zooko> "Assuming the current directory is the juju trunk"
[03:34] <zooko> Hm... does that mean I need to check out some repository first?
[03:34] <zooko> Perhaps https://code.launchpad.net/charms
[03:35] <marcoceppi> zooko: You don't need to checkout any repositories to start writing charms
[03:35] <marcoceppi> That tutorial is a little...out of date.
[03:36] <zooko> Where should I start?
[03:36] <marcoceppi> Well, it's not that bad actually
[03:37] <zooko> Should I go ahead and check out https://code.launchpad.net/charms?
[03:37] <marcoceppi> that wording is just a little confusing, it's supposed to be charm trunk, so for instance you want to create a directory like ~/charms then inside that directory create the series directory, (precise), then the name of the charm.
[03:38] <marcoceppi> so, pretty much if you're making a "foo" charm, mkdir -p ~/charms/precise/foo
[03:39] <zooko> Ok.
[03:39] <zooko> :-)
[03:39] <zooko> Thanks.
[03:41] <zooko> marcoceppi: what's an example of a good README I should emulate?
[03:45] <marcoceppi> zooko: there are a few, you can take a look at http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/hadoop
[03:46] <surgemcgee> Ohh, ohh, me me!
[03:52] <zooko> surgemcgee: you you what? You wrote a good README? :-)
[04:17] <zooko> Should I list Python as a "requires" for Tahoe-LAFS?
[04:18] <zooko> And I wonder if I should "provide" anything?
[04:31] <surgemcgee> zooko: I am pretty sure, it is here in my branch -->  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robertsteckroth/charms/precise/django-rainbow/trunk/files
[04:58] <zooko> Having written his README, zooko returns to https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/write-charm.html
[04:59] <zooko> Errrrmm... now I get to choose bash or Python for my intall script.
[04:59] <zooko> Hm,.
[05:00] <zooko> Well, that was easy.
[05:01] <zooko> http://codepad.org/hy5Hh7BI
[05:24] <zooko> Hm, I don't understand in which script I should do the creation of the state.
[05:24] <zooko> Time for some sleep anyway.
[05:25] <koolhead17> zooko: gn :)
[05:43] <zooko> :-)
[11:08] <lynxman> jcastro: roger that :)
[15:58] <jcastro> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[15:58] <jcastro> woo!
[15:58] <jcastro> Here's what m_3's been working on for a day or so
[15:58] <jcastro> well, the post was only that long, the rest was a bunch of hard work. :)
[15:59] <negronjl> 'morning all
[16:02] <hazmat> negronjl, g'mroning
[16:02] <negronjl> 'morning hazmat
[16:02] <hazmat> just noticing its rather silly to distinguish tcp/udp in open/close port
[16:12] <jcastro> Only 3 upvotes, come on people, we need to get on the front page to share this with the world! http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[16:21] <mramm> Up to 7 upvotes now, but could use a few more;) http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4069164
[16:22] <negronjl> jcastro:  how do you vote ?
[16:22] <jcastro> sign up
[16:22] <jcastro> and then click the little arrow to the left of the title
[16:23] <m_3> negronjl: btw, please check the article for stupidity :)
[16:23] <negronjl> m_3:  I will ... but I doubt I will find any :)
[16:31] <jimbaker> i rather liked the article (which i upvoted), it gives great insight into why this was an interesting if preliminary experiment
[16:32] <m_3> jimbaker: thanks... yeah, I think it's a good story
[16:32] <m_3> and the results are pretty much expected
[17:10] <lynxman> jcastro: hey, I had on my calendar charm review on Thursday, was it moved?
[17:10] <jcastro> you're the only one this week, so however you want to slice it is fine
[17:10] <jcastro> I don't think anyone moved it
[17:10] <lynxman> jcastro: k :)
[17:10] <lynxman> jcastro: any official guide for review or just go with my gut?
[17:11] <lynxman> (just in case)
[17:11] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/Charms
[17:11] <jcastro> yeah
[17:11] <jcastro> look in "Reviewers"
[17:11] <lynxman> jcastro: lovely, thanks :9
[18:14] <jcastro> marcoceppi: wotcha up to right now
[18:15] <marcoceppi> jcastro: sitting through a boring meeting, what's up?
[18:15] <jcastro> spdy is default in firefox13
[18:15] <marcoceppi> booooya
[18:15] <jcastro> clint's charm is basically done, I think it needs a review and promulgation?
[18:16] <marcoceppi> I'll take a look
[18:16] <jcastro> maybe we can whine to ben to fix that subordinate opening a port bug
[21:10] <_mup_> Bug #1009221 was filed: Adds format: 2 support to juju, while maintaining backwards compatibility for old charms. <juju:In Progress by jimbaker> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1009221 >
[22:33] <RaptorsAtatck> heya, so first off juju is awesome(yeah you guys already know).  I'm looking at a way to manage what charms are installed on systems and see network diagrams. I was considering using mcollective for this but it seems like something that would be already solved by someone else. Any ideas?
[22:35] <james_w> RaptorsAtatck, "juju status --format=dot" might interest you
[22:35] <james_w> I'm not sure what you mean by "what charms are installed on systems" though
[22:36] <RaptorsAtatck> @its the services/units bit that juju already handles
[22:36] <RaptorsAtatck> so never mind on that part ;)
[22:36] <james_w> ok :-)
[22:36] <RaptorsAtatck> reading into the docs while trying to poke holes
[22:37] <james_w> the status output will draw a graph of the services/units you have and the relations between them
[22:41] <RaptorsAtatck> gah love the relationship hooks.
[22:41] <RaptorsAtatck> configuration management has been a pain, even with puppet.
[23:02] <RaptorsAtatck> hey so I have an environment deployed and configured how I want it with the appropriate relationships. Is there a way to take a snapshot of this and deploy a mirror of this to a new environment?
[23:07] <surgemcgee> A simple bash script can do that, no need to go higher than juju already is.
[23:09] <RaptorsAtatck> yeah, but maintaining that will suck
[23:10] <RaptorsAtatck> So, going to make a simple script that will take the output of the status and rebuild that in the selected environment
[23:10] <RaptorsAtatck> then I can just check status outputs in when I'm happy with how they look
[23:12] <RaptorsAtatck> oh man can take that idea/concept alot farther.
[23:13] <surgemcgee> Not on a professional/production level
[23:13] <surgemcgee> Although, destoyed my environment like 20 times (don't tell amazon. ha).
[23:14] <zooko> If somebody else will pay for the EC2 fees, I'll measure how Tahoe-LAFS behaves with 5000 servers and write a blog post about it. :-)
[23:14] <RaptorsAtatck> well its actually for managing private clouds
[23:15] <RaptorsAtatck> a common issue I've ran into is developers needing complex environments setup
[23:15] <RaptorsAtatck> so we normally make a VM image w/ puppet/mcollective and then update those as needed
[23:15] <RaptorsAtatck> huge pain in the ass when the developers change things
[23:16] <RaptorsAtatck> this way we can keep a snapshot of what a developer environment looks like and just execute that as needed
[23:16] <RaptorsAtatck> (the developer that is)
[23:18] <surgemcgee> Sounds like high level software development. Most web projects can easly re-configure and deploy to some user friendly cloud like use app engine.
[23:23] <RaptorsAtatck> yeah,  many people on the project ;)


[00:40] <Noah0504> I'm having a little trouble figuring out the right way to assign a group to a share in samba
[00:40] <Noah0504> .
[01:35] <qman__> Noah0504, depends on what precisely you mean by assign a group
[01:35] <qman__> do you mean you want to grant a group access, or that you want to require all new files to belong to a given group
[01:38] <qman__> in this example, all the users in the group 'smbusers' have access to the files in the share, and all new files are created belonging to the group smbusers   http://pastebin.com/m2797cc13
[01:39] <qman__> the filesystem permissions grant access, the 'force group' causes new files to be created with the right group owner
[01:43] <Noah0504> qman__: Well, I have a work around right now, but I was just trying to get only the users of a group be able to access a share, and give them group permissions to rwx...
[01:44] <Noah0504> But, when I added myself to a group and changed the permissions on the system...
[01:44] <Noah0504> Nothing!
[01:44] <Noah0504> Ha.
[01:47] <qman__> well, if you need to restrict within samba instead of filesystem permissions, 'valid users = @group' should work
[01:47] <qman__> where 'group' is your desired local system group
[01:47] <qman__> though I have not tested it myself
[01:47] <NineTeen67Comet> I've got a network question; not sure if this is the forum for it, but since I run Ubuntu galore thought it'd work. I've got a network that I'm trying to get synced all around. An image of it can be seen at http://picasaweb.google.com/67comet/TechnicalCrap#5396332539025922882 .. I would like all devices to see/talk to one another, right now they can only see one another on the same router. Help?
[01:48] <qman__> NineTeen67Comet, define "see"
[01:49] <NineTeen67Comet> I had all devices (routers and otherwise) daisy chained from one port on my ISP's router. SLOW as heck, so I pulled it apart, put a router to each port on the ISPs ADSL router and it's much better, but seperate (all have 192.168.15.* IP addresses) ..
[01:49] <NineTeen67Comet> See as in ssh to one another, file/print share etc ..
[01:49] <qman__> you can't do that unless you put the routers into routing mode, instead of gateway mode
[01:50] <qman__> most home routers use what's called NAT overloading, or masquerading, and as such you can't directly connect to any machines behind them unless port forwarding is configured
[01:50] <qman__> you want them to act as normal routers with separate networks
[01:50] <qman__> dd-wrt can do this, not sure about the others
[01:51] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: Do you know the terminology I could google it? I'd like it to all be the same node (assuming 192.168.15.---) is the same node ..
[01:51] <qman__> you can't do that either
[01:51] <qman__> behind each router, you will need to use a different network
[01:51] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: I've got DD-WRT on one router, and Tomato on the other. Tomato seems to be a little faster is all .. but I like both.
[01:51] <qman__> for example, on one router, 192.168.1.x, another, 192.168.2.x, etc...
[01:52] <qman__> if you want to run all 192.168.15.x, you need switches, not routers
[01:52] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: aha .. I assigned them 50 address blocks 100-150, 151-200 etc ..
[01:52] <qman__> in order to route, you need two different networks
[01:52] <qman__> 192.168.15.x is one network
[01:53] <NineTeen67Comet> So if I give them all seperate nodes (192.1168.1/2/3 etc) .. would that help in gaining ssh access to them all?
[01:53] <qman__> you could subnet but that's complicated and unnecesary
[01:53] <qman__> that's one step that's needed
[01:53] <NineTeen67Comet> The WAN side of the routers are all 192.168.1.() ..
[01:53] <qman__> the other step is changing the routers from NAT overloading to just routing
[01:53] <qman__> dd-wrt can do that
[01:53] <qman__> tomato probably can
[01:54] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: Pretty sure (gotta go google routing though) ..
[01:54] <NineTeen67Comet> The Vonage router isn't a big deal if it doesn't work like this. I can just use the ports on the WRT54G (v6 with DD-WRT micro)
[01:54] <qman__> of course, all this routing would be unnecessary if you just had one big switch
[01:54] <NineTeen67Comet> lol
[01:54] <NineTeen67Comet> yeah tell me about i
[01:54] <NineTeen67Comet> it
[01:55] <NineTeen67Comet> I've e-bayed switches and they are all so expencive ..
[01:55] <NineTeen67Comet> I would need managed switch right?
[01:55] <qman__> no
[01:55] <NineTeen67Comet> and can I still use all the ports on the ADSL router? I hate to push 17 devices through one port on the router (physical port)
[01:55] <qman__> just a switch
[01:55] <qman__> yes
[01:56] <qman__> though, that's also pointless
[01:56] <NineTeen67Comet> I've got an 8 port hub, but when I run it things are really slow
[01:56] <qman__> you only need one port on the ADSL router
[01:56] <qman__> think of it this way
[01:56] <qman__> your internet connection is what, 10mb/s more or less
[01:56] <qman__> ethernet is 100mb/s
[01:56] <qman__> gigabit ethernet is 1000mb/s
[01:56] <NineTeen67Comet> yeah, less .. Verizon (in Japan) sucks.
[01:57] <qman__> if you put everything on one big switch behind the DSL router, only internet-bound traffic will go through that 100mb/s port
[01:57] <qman__> which is far more than what your internet connection can sustain
[01:58] <NineTeen67Comet> Do you have a suggestion on what kind of switch to hunt down? Let alone, I've never used one (just hubs and routers) ..
[01:58] <qman__> any will do, really
[01:58] <qman__> I have a 24-port netgear I like
[01:58] <qman__> you don't need a managed switch
[01:59] <NineTeen67Comet> This one I had a friend order .. he seems to like it .. http://www.tplink.com/products/product_des.asp?id=59
[01:59] <NineTeen67Comet> I'll do some e-bay'in then .. if I can keep it under $100 that'd be a bonus ..
[01:59] <qman__> overkill
[01:59] <qman__> that's a managed switch
[01:59] <qman__> you don't need that
[01:00] <NineTeen67Comet> K .. I'll so some more searching ..
[01:00] <NineTeen67Comet> I like running static IP addresses when I can too .. that's why I was searching for a managed switch ..
[01:00] <qman__> something like this is more than enough   http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111031
[01:01] <qman__> that's irrelevant to the switch
[01:01] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: thanks for this help .. I really appreciate it ..
[01:01] <qman__> a switch is like a hub, in regard to management
[01:01] <qman__> but it's better than a hub in every way
[01:01] <NineTeen67Comet> My servers are all Ubuntu-Server (well, two of the really old Cyrix processored boxes are just Debian)
[01:01] <qman__> you just plug things into it and ignore it
[01:02] <NineTeen67Comet> Doesn't a switch at least keep traffic orginized a little? I know a hub is basically a line splitter ..
[01:02] <qman__> unless you have a really large or compelx setup, a managed switch is completely unnecessary
[01:02] <qman__> yesw
[01:02] <qman__> a switch keeps track of MAC addresses
[01:02] <qman__> and sends packets where it knows they need to go
[01:02] <qman__> it's all automatic, behind the scenes
[01:02] <qman__> and reduces line noise
[01:03] <NineTeen67Comet> that's better .. I'll keep looking .. I see a lot of people saying "Switch HUB" . aka: http://cgi.ebay.com/D-LINK-DFE-2624-NETWORK-switch-Hub-24-ports_W0QQitemZ250515930961QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Hubs?hash=item3a53e9bf51
[01:03] <NineTeen67Comet> Do they just not know what they are talking about? Or are there hubs they "call" a switch ?
[01:03] <grim76> NineTeen67Comet, look for something like this.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833129010
[01:04] <grim76> If you need that many ports that is.
[01:04] <qman__> that's a hub
[01:04] <qman__> you don't want a hub
[01:04] <NineTeen67Comet> grim76: yes I need ports .. lol
[01:04] <qman__> regarding the ebay listing
[01:05] <NineTeen67Comet> I've got a server room with around 10 server/computers running it it, and I run cat6 through my walls to my computer and my mythbuntu box and what ever box I'm working on ..
[01:05] <qman__> usually, they put "switch hub" in the listing because either will work in many situations, but switches are always better
[01:05] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: that's wat I've been worried about .
[01:05] <qman__> with hubs you have to worry about collisions
[01:06] <NineTeen67Comet> grim76: thanks for the link .. I'll search for similar items ..
[01:06] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: I notice with the cheap little 8 port hub I've already got anything hooked to it (that carries much data like my movie server, file server and workstation) get really slow if I use all three at once ..
[01:07] <grim76> NineTeen67Comet, no problem.
[01:07] <NineTeen67Comet> can't wait to button up my degree so I can go learn more networking stuff. My home network has reached the point it's getting bigger than a small businesses .. lol and my kids want more computers so its only going to get bigger.
[01:08] <grim76> Think of your hub as you are trying to shove 8 lanes of traffic down a two lane road.  A switch is like the highway where you can have all the lanes flowing and working at the same time.
[01:09] <NineTeen67Comet> grim76: exactly how I think of it . That's why I've been pulling my hair out trying to get all my Linksys routers to play nice with each other ..
[01:09] <NineTeen67Comet> the hub was just clogging up everything (movies wouldn't even stream through it with out a sputter)
[01:09] <grim76> Understood...your setup is just way more complicated than it needs to be as qman__ pointed out.
[01:10] <qman__> yeah
[01:10] <qman__> one big switch behind your DSL router will do
[01:10] <qman__> then put your wireless and vonage behind that switch
[01:10] <qman__> but plug all the computers into the switch
[01:10] <NineTeen67Comet> Not a broblem . I can sell one of my Linksys routers and just have the Vonage and Wireless routers plugged in .. all other devices will come strait off the switch ..
[01:11] <qman__> home routers are actually a misnomer
[01:11] <NineTeen67Comet> We're thinking of tossing Vonage too .. so that'll be gone (I'm trying to get MagicJack working in Linux .. Once I get that .. POOF no more Vonage ..
[01:11] <qman__> since they have a router, a switch, and usually a wireless access point all in one device
[01:12] <qman__> and are configured in a NAT overloading setup by default, instead of a routing setup
[01:12] <NineTeen67Comet> qman__: I know they are pretty powerful little deals for the price .. DD-WRT and Tomato make them awesome once you figure them out ..
[01:12]  * NineTeen67Comet still trying to figure out all the bells and whistles
[01:14] <NineTeen67Comet> Thanks again guys .. I'm going to go hit up Amazon, Tigerdirect, Newegg and ebay for a switch .. the sooner I get one going the sooner I can kick my mythboxes back on ..
[01:14] <NineTeen67Comet> awesome good help .. if you are ever in Japan I'll buy the first round .. :)
[02:01] <skuld> Any postfix/sasl experts in here tonight?
[02:03] <KurtKraut> skuld, if anyone appears, I suggest you to post your question in ubuntuforums.org
[02:03] <KurtKraut> *if no one
[02:03] <skuld> postconf -n [http://pastebin.com/f5294863e]
[02:03] <skuld> okay.
[02:04] <skuld> I've got postfix working (at least when I telnet) but I don't think I've got the authentication quite right.  I've got some errors in my log....
[02:08] <skuld> mail log snippit:  [http://pastebin.com/f5b76146a]
[02:12] <skuld> looks like a problem with /usr/lib/smtpd.  I looked it up, the file exists, I'm just not sure where *it* is expecting it to be.
[02:16] <ScottK> skuld: You broke postfix somehow.  Pastbin the output of postconf -n
[02:16] <skuld> postconf -n [http://pastebin.com/f5294863e]
[02:17] <skuld> in the mail.err log, I see over and over again:  "postfix/smtpd[#####]: fatal: open lock file pid/inet.smtp: cannot create file exclusively: No such file or directory.
[02:18] <pmatulis> chroot issue?
[02:18] <ScottK> Have patience.  My system is very slow because I'm test building several packages at once right now.
[02:19] <skuld> in mail.warn I see over and over:  postfix/master[######]: warning: master_wakeup_timer_event: service qmgr (public/qmgr): No such file or directory.
[02:19] <ScottK> pmatulis: Not typically
[02:19] <skuld> it's cool, I'm still trying to figure out where the "arrow" ispointing to LOL
[02:20] <ScottK> OK, well that looked normal.
[02:20] <skuld> I have my system configured (supposedly) for postfix, dovecot using a mysql backend for virtual mailboxes/domains
[02:20] <ScottK> what's in master.cf?
[02:20] <skuld> I think something with saslauthd...or smtpd...whatever that is is misconfigured somewhere, but I really have no clue where to look
[02:21] <skuld> hold on....
[02:21] <ScottK> Just pastebin the whole file
[02:22] <skuld> master.cf [http://pastebin.com/f2d5fba03]
[02:24] <skuld> the only things I changed in that was the very first smtp line.  chroot now = 'n', before it was '-' and the very last line, I added (dovecot)
[02:29] <pmatulis> skuld: how much space is available for the /var directory?
[02:30] <skuld> df -h [http://pastebin.com/f792acee9]
[02:31] <skuld> it's not on a seperate partition, I have lots of room, somewhere between 0% and 1% are in use
[02:31] <ScottK> skuld: I suspect you have postfix partly chrooted and partly not chrroted.
[02:31] <skuld> ok
[02:32] <ScottK> What happens if you change all the chroot '-' to 'n' then stop and start postfix
[02:32] <skuld> trying now
[02:34] <skuld> now I see [in mail.log] postfix/master [#####} fatal: open lock file /var/lib/postfix/master.lock: unable to set exclusive lock: Resource temporaily unavaiable
[02:35] <skuld> [mail.err] fatal:  open /etc/postfix/my_domains_maps.cf: no such file or directory.
[02:35] <skuld> but I know that file is there
[02:36] <skuld> oh, wait...disregard that...I wasn't at the bottom of the log
[02:36] <skuld> no change in the mail.err file
[02:36] <skuld> still blowing up on pid/inet.smtp.....
[02:36] <pmatulis> skuld: there may be some errant process(es) running.  kill all postfix-related processes and then start freshly
[02:37] <skuld> that I know of it would be postfix, dovecot, saslauthd.......right?  is there anyway to check?
[02:37] <pmatulis> skuld: reboot the server if you're not sure
[02:38] <skuld> okay, hold on....
[02:44] <skuld_> okay, now when I try to send a message, I get:  postfix/smtpd[######] warning: SASL authentication problem: unknown password verifier
[02:44] <skuld_> warning: SASL LOGIN authentication failed:  no mechanism available
[02:44] <skuld_> lost connection after AUTH
[02:47] <pmatulis> skuld: how did you configure smtpd.conf?
[02:48] <skuld_> the only line in that file is pwcheck_method: pam
[02:48] <skuld_> it's located: /var/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
[02:48] <skuld_> not var /etc
[02:52] <pmatulis> skuld: well it looks to me like you just need to configure SASL properly
[02:52] <pmatulis> skuld: what documentation are you following?
[02:52] <skuld_> let me pull it up....
[02:53] <skuld_> http://enc.com.au/myscripts/postfixmysql.html
[03:00] <pmatulis> skuld_: well i've never used the sasl/pam/mysql combo.  the problem is in that chain somewhere
[03:04] <pmatulis> skuld: check pam-related log messages, maybe increase pam logging.  is pam even being invoked?
[03:05] <skuld> how do I check if pam is being invoked?
[03:05] <pmatulis> logs
[03:05] <skuld> I don't see anything in /var/logs for pam or pam.d
[03:06] <skuld> syslog maybe?
[03:06] <pmatulis> /var/log/auth.log
[03:06] <skuld> ah, okay
[03:07] <skuld> I see saslauthd[####]: ipc_init
[03:09] <skuld> dbus-daemon: rejected send message, 4 matched rules; type="error, sender=":1.10" (uid=0 pid=4163 comm="/sbin/wap_supplicant -u -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant") interface="(unser)" member="(unser)" error name=fi.epitest.hostap.WPASupplicant.InvalidInterface" requested_reply=0 desitnation=":1.9" (uid="0" pid=4149 comm="/usr/sbin/NetworkManager --pi-file /var/run/Netwo"))
[03:10] <skuld> I guess that means that pam is being invoked?
[03:11] <pmatulis> skuld: not at all
[03:12] <pmatulis> skuld: also, you're not using saslauthd for authentication.  you're using PAM
[03:12] <skuld> okay...I'm confused. LOL
[03:13] <skuld> I need to use pam becuase postfix can't authenticate against mysql directly...so I've read
[03:13] <pmatulis> skuld: correct
[03:14] <pmatulis> skuld: at this point you just need to take the time to read the docs, one how-to is often not enough to understand what's going on
[03:14] <skuld> okay, well i guess I need a good document on postfix and authentication...in this case PAM I guess?
[03:17] <pmatulis> skuld: actually, i just learned that saslauthd can authenticate against pam, so that's another option for you
[03:17] <pmatulis> sasl/saslauthd/pam/mysql
[03:18] <skuld> so It'd go something like postfix -> saslauthd -> pam -> mysql ?
[03:19] <pmatulis> skuld: more like i wrote before your last comment
[03:19] <pmatulis> skuld: start by reading http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html, then google for "sasl pam mysql"
[03:19] <pmatulis> skuld: good luck, need to jet
[03:19] <skuld> thanks
[03:33] <skuld> is there any way to tell if I have cyrus already installed?
[03:35] <skuld> I guess I do becuase I have saslauthd LOL
[04:22] <kosmic> this isnt the place to ask about dedicated packages
[04:22] <kosmic> is it
[04:31] <qman__> dedicated packages?
[04:32] <jmarsden> "My package is so dedicated, it runs 24/7 ?" Or maybe "This package is dedicated to my beloved mother...." ??
[04:33] <jmarsden> kosmic: Do you mean native packages?  Or something else?
[04:40] <kosmic> oh no
[04:40] <kosmic> i mean dedicated servers
[04:41] <kosmic> found a place selling a decent dedicated for $40  a month
[04:41] <kosmic> but the silly site requires i have a domain registration
[04:41] <kosmic> or register a domain with them
[04:41] <kosmic> doesnt make sense to me ;)
[04:46] <jmarsden> If it doesn't make sense, don't do business with that company :)  If it looks too good to be true, it probably *is*.  BTW, this doesn't seem to be Ubuntu server related.
[04:46] <kosmic> yes yes
[04:47] <kosmic> cant think of another place to ask this question ;)
[05:32] <SuspectZero> hey there, when ever i ssh into my ubuntu server, i get a long like automated message
[05:32] <SuspectZero> anyway i can get rid of it or edit it to my needs?
[05:33] <SuspectZero> the msg has the info uname -a spits out as well as a long message about ubuntu and software included being free and what not
[05:36] <maswan> SuspectZero: check out /etc/update-motd.d/ maybe?
[05:40] <kosmic> i saw a movie called suspect zero
[05:40] <SuspectZero> kosmic, yep :D good movie
[05:40] <kosmic> haha thought so <;)
[05:59] <SuspectZero> maswan, ah found it. its /etc/motd
[06:01] <jmarsden> SuspectZero: Yes, but that is being created by the scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/ where maswan told you to look... so unless you deal with those scripts, any changes you make to /etc/motd itself are likely to be overwritten by the scripts...
[06:02] <SuspectZero> aaahh i see
[06:02] <SuspectZero> missed that
[06:02] <SuspectZero> awesome thanks
[06:08] <jmarsden> SuspectZero: man motd.tail     should also help you understand how this stuff works
[06:08] <SuspectZero> jmarsden, im getting rid of it
[06:08] <SuspectZero> i dont need motd at all
[06:08] <SuspectZero> :P
[07:27] <reklama> http://action.metaffiliation.com/suivi.php?mclic=S42665516A5D131
[07:35] <simplexio> does anyone have idea howto tell my box that it should not take 2002: ipv6 address at all
[08:28] <mobi-sheep> Hi -- What is the easiest way to add commands/scripts in the startup? I recently added something in /etc/rc.local -- but I don't want it to run as root -- but rather as my username.  Suggestion?
[10:33] <Fenix> Are DNS servers depolyed only to companys who have web sites
[10:36] <RoyK> huh?
[10:36] <RoyK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_system
[10:36] <RoyK> read up about it
[10:49] <bogdanbiv> fahadsadah: Hello!
[10:51] <fahadsadah> bogdanbiv: Ohai!
[10:53] <bogdanbiv> I saw you entered the channel just after me! :)
[10:57] <fahadsadah> I'm in here 24/7
[10:58] <fahadsadah> But infinity died.
[10:58] <fahadsadah> Taking my znc with it.
[12:41] <txomon> hello does anyone know how to make a vpn IN home to connect from anywhere?
[12:45] <txomon> hello does anyone know how to make a vpn IN home to connect from anywhere?
[12:54] <bogdanbiv> Guys and gals, how can I upgrade my server to Karmic?
[12:55] <bogdanbiv> I ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, but after it upgraded my packages to the latest version, nothing happened. I still have Jaunty!
[13:59] <monostone> i'm thinking of moving apache, mysql, to be supervised by daemontools, is this a viable idea? Any cons?
[15:13] <soren> monostone: Why?
[15:14] <monostone> soren, what do you mean why? I want to have those services supervised and autostart if they fall
[15:14] <soren> monostone: I mean why would you want to? Are they crashing for you?
[15:16] <MK13> i am having trouble accessing the ubuntu server on my lan. I recently set it up with a static ip and can ping from my laptop to it and vise versa but cannot access it through ssh or the browser as a webserver. Any ideas?
[15:16] <monostone> soren, no, but sometimes they do, due to diverse reasons, and I'm not going to be available to restart them, so I need a method to do that automatically, u have qmail running under daemontools, and i love the way it handles the services, clean, organized, I would love to put all daemon processes under daemontools if possible
[15:17] <soren> monostone: You really should be spending your time getting those crashes fixed.
[15:18] <soren> It's not unlikely that data is lost during those crashes.
[15:19] <monostone> soren, that is only one of the reasons, and the crashes are random, usually due to me having a not very good server machine handling ALOT of traffic, and once or twice every month the mysql or apache process gets blocked
[15:20] <soren> bogdanbiv: There's a command called "do-release-upgrade". That's the one you want.
[15:20] <monostone> soren,  my question was if any daemon process can be handled by daemontools though, not 'why does my apache or mysql crash'
[15:20] <soren> bogdanbiv: It may need an extra option to upgrade to a development version (Karmic isn't released for another few days, so is still considered a development rlease).
[15:21] <soren> monostone: I know what you asked. I'm just trying to save you from trouble.
[15:21] <bogdanbiv> soren: Oh, ok. I'll try it and come back with the results.
[15:21] <soren> monostone: But of course you can manage whatever you want with daemontools.
[15:21] <soren> monostone: Doing so just isn't the supported way of running apache nor mysql under Ubuntu.
[15:22] <soren> monostone: And it's a horrible, horrible way to deal with crashes.
[15:22] <monostone> soren, ok, my worry was precisely that, if it was ill advised to use daemontools for anything else except qmail, djbdns, tiny-dns,etc
[15:23] <MK13> monostone, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=352546 ?
[15:23] <bogdanbiv> soren: Oh, 4 more days before Karmic is released.
[15:23] <monostone> soren, not so horrible, why would qmail run supervised then?
[15:23] <soren> monostone: No clue.
[15:23] <bogdanbiv> I thought that it's launching sooner.
[15:23] <soren> monostone: Dealing with crashes by wrapping stuff in an "whlie true; do run service; done" loop is a bad, bad, bad, horrible idea.
[15:24] <soren> You should spend time fixing the crashes instead.
[15:24] <soren> I do think MySQL already does something like this, though, just more elegantly.
[15:25] <soren> Yeah, that's part of what mysqld_safe does.
[15:26] <soren> bogdanbiv: The expected date has not changed since it was first announced back in March.
[15:26] <monostone> soren, I understand what you're saying, and a constant crashing process needs to be revised in detail. But my case isn't a constantly crashing daemon, only very randomly, in fact for a 1 year, 2 month, 3 day uptime, apache has crashed, 4 times, and mysql blocked or became unresponsive 6, and mainly due probably to me running migration scripts which took system usage to over 7.5
[15:27] <soren> bogdanbiv: My mistake. The date was set in February. And hasn't changed since then.
[15:36] <MK13> any ideas why i can't access my server on lan with ssh but can ping to it?
[16:03] <Googa> Hi
[16:03] <Googa> how can i test out dns server in practice without registering a real domain name
[16:09] <MK13> set up a dns server on your lan and configure your other computers to use that as a dns server
[16:14] <Googa> for resolving?
[16:20] <Googa> what for MK13
[16:21] <Googa> would the clients use it for sending queries?
[16:23] <guntbert> Googa: for starters I suggest you use 2 virtual machines  - so no harm should be done
[16:23] <Googa> on same computer
[16:25] <guntbert> Googa: I said that because it sounds as if you have no idea about nameservers - so play in a "sandbox" to get a feeling
[16:25] <Googa> but i do
[16:26] <Googa> Im just missing pieces of the puzzle
[16:27] <guntbert> Googa: sorry, then I misunderstood your questions - maybe you should be more specific as to what pieces are missing :)
[16:27] <Googa> I´ve been reading all day about how to set a server for a domain, but i cant figure out some things about domains, where you use them etc.
[16:31] <Googa> So if i have 20 computers(small buisness), why would i want to put up a dns server for them or would i
[16:31] <Googa> ?
[16:57] <skuld> how can I tell if my dovecot is working?
[16:57] <phaidros> re
[16:57] <phaidros> cups seems broken for me in karmic
[16:57] <phaidros> anyone familiar with the changes regarding hal in karmic?
[16:58] <phaidros> until jaunty was the hal backend for cups in hal-cups-utils
[16:58] <phaidros> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jaunty&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fusr%2Flib%2Fcups%2Fbackend%2Fhal
[16:58] <phaidros> gone in karmic :(
[16:59] <phaidros> trying to install that package from jaunty dpkg tells me that: "system-config-printer-udev conflicts with hal-cups-utils (<< 1.1.10)"
[16:59] <phaidros> so, now, who tells me how I get my printer running without the hal backend then?
[16:59] <phaidros> :)
[17:13] <Jayde> anyone out there using an ubuntu-server ECU image as a domU (guest) on a Xen system?
[17:19] <StrangeCharm> i'm trying to install the karmic rc. during the 'detect disks' stage, it prompts me whether to activate SATA RAID devices, but - either way - they are not visible in the partitioner. how can i make the disks attached to the SATA 'RAID' device on my mobo show up in the partitioner?
[17:19] <skuld> does anybody know the command that I can use to see what the name of a group is that belongs to a GID?
[17:26] <guntbert> skuld: getent group <gid>
[17:26] <skuld> cool, thanks1
[17:27] <guntbert> skuld: you're welcome :-)
[17:29] <phaidros> Jayde: I use ubuntu-server as XEN image, but I have no clue what the ECU image is o.O
[17:31] <StrangeCharm> phaidros, i think ecu is for certain server farm environments
[17:32] <phaidros> k
[17:32] <Bilge> If I manually compile a program that is dynamically linked to a bunch of libraries installed using the package manager, will updates to those libraries be available in my program immediately or will I still need to recompile?
[17:33] <StrangeCharm> Bilge, depends whether they're compile-time dependancies, or runtime ones
[17:33] <Bilge> Compile-time
[17:33] <Bilge> Or so I would assume given that the configure script needs to find them for them to be enabled
[17:36] <StrangeCharm> Bilge, you'll need to recompile compile-time dependancies
[17:47] <Bilge> I thought as much
[17:47] <Bilge> So the only benefit of choosing dynamic over static is going to be smaller binaries, right?
[17:48] <zash> What would be the optimal swap settings for a web+mail+xmpp server with 128+64M RAM?
[17:50] <guntbert> Bilge: no - the main benefit is that in a running system there need be only one copy of the module - instead of one for every program using it
[17:51] <Bilge> But that's not a benefit
[17:51] <Bilge> That's just an explanation of the difference
[17:53] <guntbert> Bilge: I'd say thats a benefit for the system - think about memory usage
[17:57] <Bilge> Reducing memory usage is a benefit
[17:57] <Bilge> Reducing disk usage is a benefit
[17:57] <Bilge> "there need be only one copy of the module" is not a benefit
[17:58] <Bilge> And sadly, being able to autoamtically take advantage of library updates is also not a benefit, as it turns out
[18:00] <guntbert> Bilge: I don't want to argue, but suppose there are 100 programs running on your system, all using the same library - that certainly makes a difference
[18:07] <genii> Is there a way to prevent or invalidate "unset HISTFILE" ?
[18:08] <guntbert> genii: a guess. look into .bashrc or .bash_profile
[18:10] <genii> guntbert: I want to prevent either: user from setting that value in their .bashrc     or sneakier: make it not work when they do
[18:11] <guntbert> genii: should not be  possible!
[18:12] <guntbert> genii: admins don't spy on their users :)
[18:12] <genii> guntbert: admins DO spy on compromised account bash history, however
[18:14] <guntbert> genii: that'd be a forensics task - not really my field of expertise :)
[18:14] <Bilge> guntbert: I'm guessing English isn't your first language because you're completely missing my point
[18:15] <guntbert> Bilge: right you are
[18:15] <Bilge> Perhaps you don't know the definition of benefit
[18:16] <qman__> Bilge, English is my first language, and I agree with guntbert
[18:16] <qman__> reducing the number of copies is in and of itself a benefit
[18:17] <guntbert> Bilge: never mind - its off topic anyway
[18:18] <Bilge> qman__: no, you only understand that reducing the number of copies is beneficial because you understand the benefits associated with reducing the number of copies implicitly. But that doesn't mean that reducing the number of copies is itself a benefit. To someone who does not understand what the benefit of reducing the number of copies is, it would not appear beneficial at all
[18:20] <qman__> appearances can be deceiving
[18:28] <alkisg> I'd like to be able to let my users change their own real names. Any existing way to do that, other than writing my own wrapper around usermod and making it suid root?
[18:30]  * genii considers making bash execute for instance with something like bash --rcfile /somewhere-not-user-writeable/immutable-bashrc    to prevent .bash_history from not being written when user does "unset HISTFILE"
[18:32] <genii> But I'm wondering if it pulls in for instance what order of /etc/bash.bashrc ~/.bashrc and /somewhere-not-user-writeable/immutable-bashrc  and if it stops when the first one is found or keeps going and does all of them, if so in what order since if ~/.bashrc is last the "unset" still works
[18:34] <guntbert> genii: wouldn't help - an intruder can easily bring his own bash or use a completely different shell
[18:36] <simplexio> dosent bash ctrl+r reverse-search depend from historyfile ?
[18:40]  * genii sips and thinks
[18:50] <skuld> what in this mess [http://pastebin.com/f5b57a14e] tells me that port 110 is open?  it's supposed to be
[18:52] <skuld> 110 *is* pop3....right?
[18:53] <guntbert> skuld: yes - #
[18:53] <guntbert> ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp dpt:pop3
[18:53] <skuld> okay, I'm confused.  why then is a port scan showing that it's closed?
[18:55] <guntbert> skuld: a port scan from where? inside your network or outside?
[18:55] <skuld> and I guess dovecot is messed up somewhere...not listening to pop3.... [http://pastebin.com/f46f2e379] is my lsof -i
[18:55] <skuld> using one of those web port scans
[18:55] <skuld> https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?rh1dkyd2 (port scan I used)
[18:55] <guntbert> skuld: you are behind a router?
[18:56] <skuld> linux is my router
[18:59] <guntbert> skuld: they don't show the results to anyone :) but by default dovecot only listens on imap
[19:00] <skuld> but I've got 'protocols = imap imaps pop3 pop3s' defined in dovecot.conf
[19:02] <skuld> this is my dovecot -n listing:  [http://pastebin.com/f50bc6e00]
[19:03] <guntbert> skuld: may I try a pop3 connection to your host?
[19:03] <skuld> yes
[19:05] <guntbert> skuld: I really get connection refused
[19:05] <guntbert> skuld: sorry, I have to leave for some time
[19:05] <skuld> I'm stumped.  I've got that port open in my firewall, yet dovecot doesn't seem to be listening to it
[19:06] <skuld> it's okay, thanks.  I'll keep plugging at it
[19:06] <skuld> at least I *finally* got my postfix working LOL
[19:06] <guntbert> skuld: one last thought - can you tell dovecot on which interfaces to listen?
[19:07] <skuld> I'm not sure...what should I check?
[19:23] <ninjah> I'm running ubuntu 8.04 on a virtual server over on Amazons cloud. If I run "apt-get -y dist-upgrade" will that upgrade to another version of ubuntu?
[19:23] <ninjah> I hope not...
[19:29] <soren> ninjah: No.
[19:30] <ninjah> soren: Cool! I just need to upgrade the package "tzdata"
[19:32] <ninjah> soren: I normally use "apt-get upgrade". Is there a difference between the two? Which one should I use?
[19:33] <soren> ninjah: they are mostly the same.
[19:33] <soren> ninjah: dist-upgrade allows new packages to be pulled in. upgrade does not.
[19:33] <ninjah> soren: Thanks! I'll use "apt-get -y dist-upgrade"
[19:33] <soren> ninjah: This happens if another package being upgraded has a dependency added.
[19:34] <ninjah> soren: I see... so if a dependency needs to be upgraded "apt-get upgrade" won't work.
[19:34] <zul> hey soren
[19:34] <JanC> that should never happen after release
[19:35] <soren> JanC: Well, it does, occasionally.
[19:35] <soren> The openssl vulnerabality last year did, for instance.
[19:35] <soren> openssh-server suddenly had a dependency on the ssl blacklist package.
[19:35] <soren> (or whatever it was called)
[19:36] <soren> It's reasonably rare, though.
[19:36] <JanC> oh right, but it's very very uncommon, and that was an extreme case  ;)
[19:40] <guntbert> skuld: you still around?
[19:45] <soren> zul: Oh, hey :)
[19:48] <alkisg> I want to be able to use passwordless ssh to connect to my student accounts in remote machines. So I do `ssh-copy-id student@remote-pc`, no problem there.
[19:48] <alkisg> But I also want the students to be unable to delete their ~/.ssh directories, because that would prevent me from remotely executing commands on their accounts. How would I do that, while allowing ssh to work?
[19:50] <qman__> alkisg, I suppose you could make the relevant files immutable
[19:51] <alkisg> qman__: right, thanks!!! chattr, I always forget about it...
[20:17] <skuld> is there a way to get a list of all my users (except like system users and daemons...)?
[20:18] <guntbert> skuld: getent passwd
[20:18] <guntbert> skuld: did that dovecot problem work out for you?
[20:20] <skuld> yes.
[20:20] <skuld> I had a postfix-dovecot.conf file messing everything up
[20:20] <skuld> go figure
[20:20] <skuld> BUT...I did find an awesome tutuoral for postfix, dovecot,with mysql
[20:21] <skuld> howto: [http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/]
[20:26] <skuld> ugh...what's the command to 'untar' a file to a directory named after itself?  i know I've seen it a million times but now I can't find it
[20:35] <guntbert> skuld: normally tar archives are "self contained", so tar xzf achive.tgz should work
[20:35] <skuld> that was it! thanks
[20:36] <guntbert> skuld: you're welcome :-)
[20:47] <genii> Is there a way to make something like: script -c bash -q      *not* echo the command "exit" ?
[21:23] <blue-frog> skuld: awk 'BEGIN{FS=":"} {if ($3 >= 1000) print $1}' /etc/passwd
[21:32] <Nafallo> hmm. found a bug in apache2's initscript.
[21:32] <Nafallo> nice! :-/
[21:33] <skuld> thanks!!
[21:34] <aubre> o/
[21:46] <Nafallo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/460692
[21:47] <banderon> hi, can anyone here tell a linux newb hot to stop ubuntu server from trying to decrypt the encrypted partitions on boot?


[07:28] <Saviq> good morning folks
[07:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: morning
[07:58] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: answered to https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/cardCarouselWithHeader/+merge/269499
[07:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so we needed new branches at the end?
[07:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ?
[08:00] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: see you've created lots of new MRs against the overlay branch
[08:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, just resubmitting them towards the correct branch
[08:00] <tsdgeos> ah ok
[08:01] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I'll prepare a silo today... now that MirSurface has landed
[08:01] <mzanetti> no more (or well, way less) streched frames on rotation, yay!
[08:02] <tsdgeos> :)
[08:37] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what are we having in that silo?
[08:37] <tsdgeos> lots of branches!
[08:37] <tsdgeos> D:
[08:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, *everything*
[08:40] <mzanetti> and some conflicts :D
[08:40] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:40] <mzanetti> ltinkl, hey ho. can you merge globalShortcuts?
[08:59] <tsdgeos> Saviq: now that you're with us maybe you can do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/newCroppedImageMinimumSourceSize/+merge/269233 ?
[08:59] <tsdgeos> /s/do/review
[09:00] <Saviq> tsdgeos, will do
[09:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, looks simpler ;D
[09:02] <tsdgeos> yeah
[09:02] <tsdgeos> and i couldn't find any case in which it's wors
[09:02] <tsdgeos> ee
[09:02] <tsdgeos> -e
[09:07] <tsdgeos> Mirv: what's the position in the queue for the patches in https://bugs.launchpad.net/thumbnailer/+bug/1484914 ?
[09:12] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so ultimately it defaults to Qt.size(width, 0) (i.e. portrait) and only switches if the image aspect ratio is landscape
[09:12] <tsdgeos> well not aspect ratio is landscape
[09:12] <tsdgeos> but "more landscape" than the holding aspect ratio
[09:12] <Saviq> that
[09:12] <tsdgeos> yeah
[09:13] <Saviq> means that actually gets us the right image in one request in best case scenario
[09:14] <tsdgeos> yep
[09:14] <Saviq> wonder if we should swap the if, though, could use some statistics ;)
[09:15] <tsdgeos> yeah i also thought the other way around could be better
[09:15] <tsdgeos> but since this is already better than what we ha
[09:15] <tsdgeos> d
[09:15] <Saviq> sure
[09:16] <tsdgeos> decided to settle here and then if we want to investigate more we can do at a later stage
[09:16] <Saviq> I'll test it out and try and get some idea on what case we end up in more often
[09:23] <Saviq> toja15lip83
[09:23] <Saviq> fook
[09:25] <tsdgeos> that was a pretty good password
[09:25] <Saviq> wasn't bad was it
[09:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, hey, rc-proposed is the closest we get to vivid+overlay, right?
[09:31] <mzanetti> Saviq, yes, that's it
[09:31] <Saviq> tx
[09:31] <mzanetti> Saviq, so is the official start today or tomorrow?
[09:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, today
[09:31] <mzanetti> Saviq, welcome back!
[09:31] <Saviq> danke schoen
[09:32] <Saviq> excited to be back
[09:38] <Saviq> ah uh, holiday in UK
[09:39] <Saviq> wonder if should move the sync to tomorrow
[09:39] <Mirv> tsdgeos: that's next since the previous made it to archives last week. actually it's already built (gles now building), so I could take the feedback already. I updated the PPA to the bug report now.
[09:39] <Mirv> the PPA only for vivid overlay at this point
[09:39] <tsdgeos> Mirv: cool
[09:53] <ltinkl> mzanetti: hi, and merged :)
[09:53] <mzanetti> ltinkl, hi
[09:54] <ltinkl> so a general question, what is the overlay branch?
[09:55] <mzanetti> ltinkl, looking at the diff there seems to be something wrong
[09:55] <ltinkl> mzanetti, the merge that I'd pushed?
[09:55] <mzanetti> ltinkl, you should have attended a standup last weel :D
[09:55] <mzanetti> week
[09:55] <mzanetti> ltinkl, https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/globalshortcuts/+merge/269608
[09:56] <ltinkl> mzanetti, hah ye, I didn't know exactly where my head was that last week :o)
[09:56] <mzanetti> ltinkl, the overlay branch is the one that goes into vivid+overlay
[09:56] <mzanetti> ltinkl, trunk goes into wily now
[09:57] <ltinkl> mzanetti, so cherry picked up commits for the "stable" stuff?
[09:57] <mzanetti> ltinkl, no
[09:57] <mzanetti> ltinkl, we just work on the overlay branch and I'll sync it to wily every once in a while
[09:57] <ltinkl> mzanetti, ah ok, so the other way around
[09:57] <mzanetti> ltinkl, trying to avoid cherry-picking, as with the amount of branches we have that's a full time job
[09:58] <mzanetti> ltinkl, anyhow, please fix the changelog
[09:58] <ltinkl> mzanetti, so all the MPs are supposed to be filed against foo/overlay right?
[09:58] <mzanetti> yes
[09:58] <ltinkl> mzanetti, yup sure, a sec
[10:11] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ouch, that ppa has smaller value than the overlay one so dist-upgrade doesn't want to install the pacakges D:
[10:13] <Mirv> tsdgeos: are you sure, or are you just hit by the usual https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SiloTestingGuidelines#Install_silos_with_overlay_PPA_enabled ?
[10:13] <Mirv> (if not using citrain tool)
[10:13] <tsdgeos> i guess i hit that
[10:13] <tsdgeos> i just removed the stable-overlay ppa for the moment so it will dist-upgrade
[10:14] <Mirv> nowadays the wiki instruction isn't even incorrect like it used to be for months
[10:14] <Mirv> ok
[12:16] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, hey, you reviewed: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/turn-on-screen-when-notifying/+merge/269606
[12:16] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, did you test it too? is it working for you?
[12:26]  * mzanetti reposts as he's not sure tsdgeos received the messages
[12:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, hey, you reviewed: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/turn-on-screen-when-notifying/+merge/269606
[12:26] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, did you test it too? is it working for you?
[12:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i did use notify-send and yes it did work with it
[12:38] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what did you test it with?
[12:40] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, I sent a telegram to the phone
[12:40] <mzanetti> doesn't seem to wake up the display
[12:41] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: does notfy-send do
[12:41] <tsdgeos> ?
[12:41]  * mzanetti tries
[12:41] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, where do I get that from?
[12:41] <mzanetti> ah, found it
[12:43] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, it does
[12:43] <tsdgeos> :/
[12:44] <tsdgeos> so maybe telegram is wrongly sending up a  Notification.Confirmation notification?
[12:44] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, well, it also doesn't wake up the screen with trunk... so I guess not a problem in our code
[12:45] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well it is, i mean the code is adding the "wake on notification" logic
[12:45] <tsdgeos> if it's not waking up
[12:45] <tsdgeos> something's wrong
[12:45] <mzanetti> ah ok
[12:45] <mzanetti> reading through the description I thought it would just move it around, but not actually change the behavior
[12:45] <tsdgeos> well
[12:45] <tsdgeos> it is crentralizing it
[12:45] <tsdgeos> because some apps did on their own
[12:46] <tsdgeos> telegram maybe didn't
[12:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, I *think* telegram not waking was a design decision, karni, do you remember?
[12:58] <Saviq> karni, hi, btw, I'm back here again ;)
[13:04] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, Saviq, fyi, it works fine with an SMS
[13:04] <mzanetti> so yes, I continue with the assumption that telegram not waking up is on purpose
[13:05] <mzanetti> (which seems sensible, I think)
[13:05] <Saviq> yeah, it might be too big volume to wake the screen up
[13:05] <mzanetti> really depends on the use case...
[13:05] <Saviq> well, ideally it would be user preference, but we're not there yet with the notification system
[13:05] <mzanetti> I for one disable notifications for all groups and really want to be informed on all the other things
[13:05] <mzanetti> yep, exactly
[13:05]  * Saviq 2
[13:12] <mzanetti> Saviq, speaking of which, is it just me or does krillin not ring on telegram messages, while mako and arale do?
[13:13] <mzanetti> same for heike's krillin, no ringtone on telegram notifications, but her Nexus7 does
[13:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, only have krillin with Ubuntu here atm, but I don't remember it giving a ring, no
[13:13] <Saviq> mzanetti, I wonder if it's due to audio hw taking longer to wake up and missing the sound altogether
[13:14] <mzanetti> Saviq, what happened to your other devices? running something else or did you give them away?
[13:14] <mzanetti> ah!
[13:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, dednick has my arale, mako I've to flash
[13:15] <mzanetti> here we go: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1413818
[13:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you please invite me to the standup?
[13:26] <mzanetti> need to think about that
[13:27] <mzanetti> Saviq, done
[13:27] <Saviq> :'(
[13:28] <Saviq> there's something utterly wrong with thunderbird and google's caldav, I can't dismiss reminders for past events
[13:29] <Saviq> still better than the gdata provider that had the same issue *and* hung my thunderbird every time it synced...
[13:36] <tsdgeos> stupid internet going down all the time
[13:36] <tsdgeos> i'm on the phone 3G connection
[13:39] <tsdgeos> seems the router is stable now, let me try to go back to it
[13:45] <karni> Saviq: sorry, "broken pipe" via ssh ;D reading up! (and welcome back!)
[13:45] <karni> Saviq: I believe only system apps would wake the screen up
[13:46] <karni> Saviq: and that's probably the right decision, since if there's no api to configure it, imagine a noisy group chat draining the battery :)
[14:01] <Saviq> karni, yeah, agreed, as said above - probably ideally would be configurable, but not there yet
[14:01] <karni> Saviq: yup
[14:12] <mzanetti> greyback_, hey ho, is this one done with the mirSuraface branches? https://trello.com/c/kV1kxIkM/73-3-multiple-views-of-single-surface
[14:12] <mzanetti> greyback_, or is there more to it?
[14:13] <mzanetti> Saviq, welcome to my thunderbird calendar experience... I had to give up on it
[14:18] <Saviq> mzanetti, thing is, all that shit's only happening with g's calendar, everything's fine with owncloud, for example
[14:20] <Saviq> hey josharenson
[14:21] <josharenson> Saviq: hello
[14:22] <josharenson> Saviq: you officially back, or tomorrow?
[14:24] <Saviq> josharenson, today
[14:24] <josharenson> welcome back!
[14:26] <Saviq> thanks, happy to be here
[14:31] <greyback_> mzanetti: there's no more to it, mirSurface branches are all it needs
[14:31] <mzanetti> greyback_, ta
[14:31] <mzanetti> greyback_, standup time :)
[14:31] <greyback_> mzanetti: am not working today :)
[14:32] <mzanetti> you're not?
[14:32] <mzanetti> oh... you're marked as away, my bad
[14:32] <mzanetti> greyback_, have a nice day then :)


[10:04] <mamarley> apw: It looks like something is hosed with the mainline builds for 5.2.  For -rc4, the build succeeded, but the patch list and patch files are missing: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.2-rc4/


[11:19] <frankban> gmb: could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/launchpad/bug-1011847/+merge/109789 ?
[11:35] <gmb> frankban, Sure, looking now.
[11:35] <gmb> frankban, Approved
[11:36] <frankban> thanks gmb
[12:08] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb call in 2
[12:08] <bac> ok
[12:08] <gmb> yep
[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb https://talkgadget.google.com/hangouts/_/7ff442c41b26e0ccdc78c65bf04175334587463d
[12:19] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/LaunchpadJujuCharmForDevs
[12:19] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/ParallelEC2Command
[12:43] <gmb> bac, I'm going to grab some lunch, may ask you some questions about your uniquification work when I get back.
[12:43] <bac> gmb: ok.
[12:44] <gary_poster> I'm starting up another juju buildbot cluster for testing, and am happy to share should anyone need/want it for testing (benji or bac, for instance)
[12:44] <bac> ok
[12:44] <benji> gary_poster: k
[13:23] <benji> gary_poster: objectives submitted
[13:24] <gary_poster> benji, great thanks will go handshake and then ping you back for your last step of the handshake.  any ETA on when your branch will land?  If it is very soon I might wait for you for the next build
[13:24] <benji> gary_poster: I was feeling conservative so I ec2-landed it
[13:24] <gary_poster> oh boo benji :-P L-) ok
[13:24] <benji> if I had thought that you might want to use it I would have not
[13:25] <gary_poster> mm, second was supposed to be :-)
[13:25] <gary_poster> s'ok
[13:51] <gary_poster> benji, ugh.  http://ec2-75-101-219-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/1/steps/shell_9/logs/summary  what did we do again? env -u LANG within the SSH call, right
[13:51] <gary_poster> ?
[13:52]  * benji looks.
[13:53] <benji> gary_poster: it was the LANG=en_US.UTF-8 environment variable
[13:53] <benji> I /think/ removing it made the tests pass, but I am not certain.
[14:31] <gary_poster> gmb, hiya, I see you are around--did you see my privmsgs?
[14:41] <gmb> gary_poster, I did; I'm tied up with reviews at the moment (forgot to mention I'm OCR today). I'll ping you when I'm free.
[14:42] <gmb> Although I didn't get the whole transcript...
[14:42] <gary_poster> gmb, ack.  I'll be out in 18 minutes for doctor, so we may need to postpone till tomorrow.  no worries.
[14:42] <gary_poster> gmb, I sent you an email with the whole ranscript
[14:42] <gary_poster> t
[14:42] <gmb> Ah okay.
[14:42] <gmb> Looks like my IRC client disconnected from bip and then bip did something... odd.
[14:43] <gmb> gary_poster, Thanks, I'll have a read shortly.
[14:43] <gary_poster> cool
[14:50] <gary_poster> frankban, easy one for you if you agree on solution: 1012166
[14:50] <gary_poster> bug 1012166
[14:50] <_mup_> Bug #1012166: bzr related tests fail in LXC with unexpected LANG environment <paralleltest> <lpsetup:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012166 >
[14:51] <gary_poster> adding card...
[14:51] <gary_poster> benji, I think we should add a card to still send stdout and stderr as faux subunit tests
[14:51] <frankban> gary_poster: looking
[14:52] <gary_poster> that would have made diagnosing bug 1012166 easier within your branch
[14:52] <_mup_> Bug #1012166: bzr related tests fail in LXC with unexpected LANG environment <paralleltest> <lpsetup:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012166 >
[14:52] <gmb> benji, Did you ever get a chance to look at https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/uncommercial-projects/+merge/109404 for Curtis? If not I'll take it, but I don't want to dupe effort.
[14:52] <benji> gary_poster: yep, we lost that thread in all the trouble we were having
[14:52] <gary_poster> benji, cool, will add card
[14:53] <benji> gmb: I did.  The code is fine but I was trying to decide if deleting the commercial subscription at the instance they switched to an open source license is the right thing to do.
[14:54] <benji> maybe you can pick it up at that point, just assume the code is OK (and blame me if it isn't) and if you are fine with the behavior then approve it, if not, start asking those questions
[14:54] <gmb> benji, Okay, sure, wfm. Mark it as Approved [code] for your review and I'll add another review request of my own for clarity.
[14:55] <frankban> gary_poster: so, we just need to add env -u LANG to the generated script... on it in a minute, and then rebuilding packages
[14:56] <gary_poster> great thanks frankban (and I'm glad you like that solution)
[14:56] <benji> gmb: good idea; done
[14:57] <gmb> cool
[15:03] <gary_poster> benji bug 1012171 fwiw
[15:03] <_mup_> Bug #1012171: Make captured stdout and stderr available within the subunit stream <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012171 >
[15:03] <gary_poster> card is there
[15:03] <benji> k
[15:04]  * gary_poster goes to dr
[15:28] <frankban> gmb: could you please take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~frankban/lpsetup/bug-1012166-unsupported-lang/+merge/109872 ? it's just an easy fix.
[15:30] <gmb> frankban, Sure thing
[15:31] <gmb> frankban, Approved
[15:31] <frankban> thanks gmb
[16:29]  * gary_poster got to dr and they told me they had rescheduled appt.
[16:29]  * gary_poster was not pleased
[16:30]  * gary_poster proceeded to purchase father's day presents for dad instead
[16:30]  * gary_poster has returned
[16:32] <frankban> gary_poster: you may be interested in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~frankban/+junk/UbuntuPaste/view/head:/README.rst
[16:33] <gary_poster> frankban, nice!  make a project, don't put it in junk :-) .  also frankban, I don't think you should shy away from git if you want to use it for stuff like this--all the other Sublime plugins use it.
[16:34] <gary_poster> frankban, either way, once you have created a project somewher, lemme know so I can check it out :-)
[16:36] <gary_poster> oh yay, this build will get zope.testing p9!  wonderful, since right before buildbot had collapsed because of that bug
[16:46] <frankban> gary_poster: I could include it inside the package manager if it's hosted on github or bitbucket... in that case, it's nothing new that I root for hg.
[16:53] <gary_poster> frankban, :-P go with git if you don't go with bzr, I say, but I won't stop you :-)
[17:05] <gary_poster> benji :-( :-( :-( :-( http://ec2-75-101-219-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/3/steps/shell_9/logs/summary
[17:05] <gary_poster> I'm going to verify with stub that he is sure we have that version of postgres
[17:05]  * benji looks
[17:06] <benji> gary_poster: that really shouldn't happen
[17:21] <gary_poster> benji, stub said fix was in 9.1.4, and we have 9.1.3 installed on Lucid.  I think we are OK.  We just need stub (or someone) to actually package what we need for Lucid.
[17:22] <benji> ah, that's encouraging
[17:29] <benji> gary_poster: any suggestions on a next task for me?  nothing looks especially pressing so I'm having trouble deciding.  I guess bug 1012171 is the leading candidate.
[17:29] <_mup_> Bug #1012171: Make captured stdout and stderr available within the subunit stream <paralleltest> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012171 >
[17:44] <gary_poster> benji sorry didn't see this.  yeah I'm afraid so, unless...
[17:45] <gary_poster> just got a new failure; analyzing...
[17:45] <gary_poster> benji, no, it's the one you just fixed with profiling
[17:45] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:45] <benji> cool
[17:46] <benji> 1012171 it is then
[17:46] <gary_poster> benji, the next thing to do in my book is to help me investigate the launchpad juju charm LEP
[17:46] <gary_poster> after that bug
[17:46] <gary_poster> you could take a break
[17:47] <gary_poster> and investigate that if you wanted
[17:47] <gary_poster> since you're maybe burned out by that part of the world ATM
[17:47] <gary_poster>  :-)
[17:47] <benji> heh
[17:47] <benji> ok (just so I understand: 1012171 and then charm LEP)
[17:48] <gary_poster> benji, I'm saying you could do the charm LEP first as a break if you want
[17:48] <gary_poster> if so, let's have a call
[17:48] <benji> gary_poster: that's fine with me, hit me with a hangout
[17:48] <gary_poster> cool
[17:52] <gary_poster> Google is not happy with me for some reason
[17:52] <gary_poster> It sees my Apple hardware and sends me packing?
[17:53] <gary_poster> benji https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/8b6ff5d983d05de45af19b766212cfbcbb614a23?authuser=1&hl=en-US
[17:53] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/LaunchpadJujuCharmForDevs
[18:09] <gary_poster> http://ec2-75-101-219-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/builders/lucid_lp/builds/7/steps/shell_9/logs/summary
[18:10] <gary_poster> http://ec2-75-101-219-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com:8010/changes/8
[18:25] <gary_poster> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/subordinate-services.html
[18:42] <benji> gary_poster: interesting question: is /var/lib/lxc the sole repository of information about an lxc container?
[18:46] <gary_poster> benji, I'm pretty sure yes.  One way to verify: look at lxc-clone.
[18:47] <gary_poster> benji, another: look at lxc-destroy
[18:54] <benji> gary_poster: yep, it's all in /var/lib/lxc
[18:54] <gary_poster> benji, great
[18:54] <gary_poster> I had done some of that investigation but not thoroughly
[18:55] <gary_poster> just enough to make myself think I was right, but have doubts :-)
[18:56] <benji> gary_poster: email away
[18:57] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[19:26] <gary_poster> benji, replied.  Absolutely right.  I added two small additional ideas if you want
[19:26] <gary_poster> and replied
[19:26] <benji> cool
[19:27] <benji> I fixed a couple of irritating tb bugs while waiting and started reading about gtk and keybindings and clipboard access to fix the copy/paste problem.
[19:27] <gary_poster> :-) cool ty
[19:58] <benji> gary_poster: I just realized I should have a card for this.  I put it in misc., but feel free to move it if you want it somewhere else
[19:59] <gary_poster> benji, thanks yeah I thought about that but then forgot it.  I promoted it to slack and will check with flacoste to see if we can promote it to the "multi-branch work" area when on my call
[20:00] <benji> gary_poster: k
[20:13] <gary_poster> benji, concerning: since your branch the test numbers fluctuate, all for the same revision: 16931, 16943, 16419 (!), and so on.  will investigate later.  no worries for now but something for tomorrow.  Hopefully trivial
[20:13] <benji> hmm, that is a bit disconcerting
[21:05] <gary_poster> benji, btw flacoste agreed that what you are doing is a "mainline" task so I moved into the main area
[21:05] <benji> gary_poster: cool


[12:36] <jordi> hey ajmitch
[12:36] <ajmitch> hi jordi
[12:39] <MrKeuner> hi, isn't launchpad free software?
[12:47] <Odd_Bloke> MrKeuner: It is not.
[12:47] <Odd_Bloke> How long should I expect to wait for a bzr branch import to take place?
[12:48] <pochu> MrKeuner: not yet, but it'll be.
[12:48] <pochu> (See the faq)
[12:49] <MrKeuner> pochu: I found it very strange for a project like Ubuntu to have a proprietary license
[12:49] <MrKeuner> nice to hear that it will be free
[12:49] <MrKeuner> Are the translations I make using launchpad shared with the actual projects themselves?
[12:50] <pochu> MrKeuner: Ubuntu is free. Launchpad isn't.
[12:50] <pochu> They aren't the same thing.
[12:51] <MrKeuner> pochu: I am aware of the difference but still it does not make sense. Shouldn't Ubuntu project be promoting free software?
[12:51] <pochu> MrKeuner: Regarding the translations, I thint it depends. You can translate for Ubuntu. In that case, the translations are used by Ubuntu (though they can reused by upstream). You can also translate for some upstream projects, such us listen, wordpress... In that case, the translations are used by them.
[12:52] <pochu> MrKeuner: There is a good reason why Launchpad isn't free software yet ;)
[12:52] <MrKeuner> pochu: and that's in faq? :)
[12:54] <MrKeuner> Well, I love Ubuntu. But my love for free software is bigger. I cannot see any reason for closing source.
[12:54] <gnomefreak> MrKeuner: yes it is in the faq :)
[12:54] <MrKeuner> or making it non-free
[12:55] <gnomefreak> not all of it is closed
[12:55] <pochu> MrKeuner: Is Launchpad open source? Will it be? in https://launchpad.net/faq
[12:57] <pochu> MrKeuner: Also, look at the question "<popey_> QUESTION: What are you doing to counter the claims that launchpad is evil because it is closed source?" at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekfeisty/askmark2
[12:59] <MrKeuner> So, the reason is that developers cannot make money if the source code is released?
[12:59] <MrKeuner> Did I get it right?
[12:59] <pochu> You didn't :)
[01:00] <MrKeuner> help :)
[01:00] <pochu> if we released it, and 10 people set up their own instances, then the work required to keep track of everything LP keeps track of would go up by 10x
[01:00] <MrKeuner> pochu: what does that mean
[01:01] <pochu> MrKeuner: Launchpad aims to be a centralised bug-tracker, translation interface, buildd...
[01:01] <pochu> So if Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, and Upstream uses it (for example). If there's a bug in Ubuntu, you can click "Also affects" and click Debian.
[01:02] <pochu> Then if it affects upstream, click also affects usptream, and the author will have a bug report there.
[01:02] <pochu> It's about sharing information.
[01:02] <MrKeuner> But isn't it possible to not to let third party instances connect to your system?
[01:02] <pochu> But if they release Launchpad, everybody will be able to set it up.
[01:05] <pochu> MrKeuner: look at this, for example: https://help.launchpad.net/FeatureHighlights/MultiProjectBugs
[01:11] <MrKeuner> pochu: I am not sure I got your point. I guess I am a hard learner
[01:11] <MrKeuner> pochu: can't you just not let my instance to use your services?
[01:11] <pochu> MrKeuner: Hmm, but we want you to use Launchpad!
[01:12] <pochu> It's the other way. We don't want you to use your own launchpad (such as launchpad.mydomain.com)
[01:12] <MrKeuner> I will use my instance. And my community will use my instance. But my instance and Canonical instances will be seperate
[01:12] <MrKeuner> pochu: why is that?
[01:12] <pochu> But that's what they want to avoid ^ :)
[01:13] <pochu> MrKeuner: because then the main purpose for Launchpad won't be possible. Which is to share 'knowledge'
[01:13] <MrKeuner> pochu: same is for Wikipedia?
[01:13] <pochu> e.g. click a button and a bug report affects you too. If you're not using LP, that's not possible for you.
[01:14] <MrKeuner> pochu: but they share their source code and allow seperate instances
[01:14] <pochu> Hmm, I don't know how wikipedia works.
[01:14] <pochu> But they don't share the database, which is the important thing.
[01:14] <MrKeuner> They don't
[01:14] <pochu> The bug reports, the users...
[01:14] <MrKeuner> I do not need them, I need the source code
[01:14] <pochu> But we _do_ want to share it ;)
[01:14] <MrKeuner> and the right to modify it
[01:15] <pochu> You'll have it sooner or later.
[01:15] <pochu> Not yet though.
[01:15] <MrKeuner> pochu: what is wrong with my having the source code of Launchpad, I still cannot get
[01:15] <MrKeuner> but it is OK if you are bored with me :)
[01:16] <pochu> MrKeuner: The problem isn't that you have the code, or that you modify the code, or that you help improve the code. That's OK.
[01:17] <pochu> The problem is that if the code is open sourced, then everybody will set up his own launchpad (as they do with bugzilla).
[01:17] <pochu> And that's not OK.
[01:17] <pochu> I hope you understand it :)
[01:17] <MrKeuner> I would like to distribute it and to run it too. I need all four basic freedoms :)
[01:17] <MrKeuner> No but that's OK. Thanks for your help
[01:18] <pochu> MrKeuner: you are welcome to use it at launchpad.net :)
[01:21] <MrKeuner> pochu: I have translations and bug reports.
[01:21] <MrKeuner> pochu: But did not know that it was not free software
[01:22] <MrKeuner> pochu: did not expect that at all. Still find it strange for a project lik Ubuntu to promote non-free software
[01:22] <MrKeuner> implicitly I mean
[01:22] <crimsun> no, usability for humans seems foremost for Ubuntu.
[01:23] <crimsun> cf. Firefox
[01:23] <crimsun> if Ubuntu's primary stance were Freedom, we'd use ice* instead.
[01:25] <kiko> crimsun, sure makes me feel lucky to be a human :)
[01:26] <crimsun> MrKeuner: I'm afraid I've misunderstood your statement.
[01:26] <pochu> hi kiko :)
[01:27] <MrKeuner> I was trying to stress that Ubuntu project is fed with free software
[01:28] <MrKeuner> If we do not promote free software we cannot go far with non-free software
[01:29] <crimsun> well, I certainly don't claim to understand or even have a inkling regarding the Launchpad plan, but I do know that my resources certainly aren't free, and Free software only carries as far as one finds the opportunity cost in favor of Freedom.
[01:29] <crimsun> anyhow, apologies for the off-topic-ness.
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #118867 in launchpad "Don't generate an OOPS for Rosetta's translations unavailable page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118867
[01:31] <cypherbios> MrKeuner: Launchpad is not Ubuntu-specific
[01:31] <MrKeuner> cypherbios: OK but same people are behinf LP and Ubuntu projects am i wrong?
[01:32] <cypherbios> are different things
[01:32] <crimsun> different projects, different developers
[01:33] <cypherbios> that's right
[01:33] <cypherbios> they have the opportunity to choose what licence they want to offer their software, as you have your right to choose yours (if you have one)
[01:34] <MrKeuner> So creators of LP do not believe in free software but creators of Ubuntu does?
[01:34] <kiko> hey!
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #118870 in soyuz "$sourcepackage/+changelog only shows one entry per distrorelease pocket" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118870
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #118869 in launchpad "Split out OffsiteFormPostError from "All Exceptions" section of OOPS log" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118869
[01:36] <cypherbios> MrKeuner: LP is a project, and I'm pretty sure they will free the code when they think it's ready or should do that
[01:37] <MrKeuner> I am sure about that too, just trying to see the reasons why they think it is not ready yet
[04:30] <mpt_> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #118891 in malone "Duplicate bugs still visible in CVE listing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118891
[05:20] <ubotu> New bug: #118896 in launchpad-answers "+unsupported URL is incompatible with language selector" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118896
[07:36] <LongPointyStick> morning mpt!
[07:46] <slofgren> anyone here that can help login issues
[07:46] <slofgren> I can login to https://launchpad.net but not https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:47] <slofgren> Iuse the same email and pass but it does not work
[07:48] <slofgren> I have tried resetting my password on https://launchpad.net/+forgottenpassword
[07:48] <slofgren> that site is direct to by https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:53] <slofgren> Hi stub
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #118909 in launchpad "I'm a person, not a brand, and I don't have a logo" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118909
[09:13] <slofgren> anyone here?
[09:13] <slofgren> hehe
[09:14] <carlos> morning
[09:15] <Hobbsee> hi carlos
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #118915 in malone "IntegrityError trying to approve a bug nomination" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118915
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #118923 in malone "hwdb-gui is not asking whether hibernation and suspend work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118923
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118929 in soyuz ""Page not found" error clicking on version number in per version source package page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118929
[02:20] <cprov> morning folks .
[02:22] <Hobbsee> morning cprov
[03:53] <statik> me
[03:54] <salgado> thanks for the reminder statik!
[03:55] <bac> y'all are a little eager today
[03:55] <barry> too much coffee i guess
[04:00] <salgado> welcome to this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:00] <bac> n
[04:00] <salgado> who's here?
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118954 in soyuz "Component table needs description column" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118954
[04:00] <statik> me
[04:01] <salgado> BjornT and flacoste are on sprints and send apologies
[04:01] <salgado> == Agenda ==
[04:01] <salgado>  * Roll call
[04:01] <salgado>  * Next meeting
[04:01] <salgado>  * Queue status.
[04:01] <salgado> next meeting, same time next week. any objections?
[04:02] <salgado> I take that as a no
[04:02] <salgado> the queue is starting to get huge, with big branches
[04:03] <barry> yeah, i saw the general queue this morning.  whoa
[04:04] <statik> I let my reviews stack up, but I will be clearing them today (just sent one)
[04:04] <salgado> does any reviewers have sprints scheduled for the next week?
[04:04] <barry> not me
[04:04] <bac> no
[04:04] <salgado> I think we'll need to do a coordinated effort next week, otherwise most of the fixes won't be ready for 1.1.6
[04:04] <salgado> (I'm assuming all branches there are for 1.1.6 stuff)
[04:05] <statik> no sprint next week
[04:05] <barry> salgado: i wonder if we shouldn't add a bit of metadata to the branch description on PendingReviews which says what release the branch is targeted for?
[04:06] <barry> unless it's unlikely we'll see branches that aren't specifically for the next release (whatever that happens to be)
[04:06] <salgado> yeah, I think that's a good idea
[04:06] <barry> something like: "LP release: 1.1.x"
[04:07] <salgado> or target release
[04:07] <salgado> or something like that
[04:07] <barry> salgado: that's better, yep
[04:07] <salgado> again, if nobody objects I'll change the wikipage and email launchpad@
[04:07] <barry> +1
[04:08] <barry> the rationale is that it lets reviewers prioritize their reviews as the release nears
[04:08] <salgado> right
[04:09] <salgado> so, any other business from anybody?
[04:09] <barry> couple of things...
[04:09] <barry> how have pre-impl phone calls been going?
[04:10] <salgado> I had one with flacoste
[04:10] <barry> has anybody done them?  have your branch submitters done them?
[04:10] <bac> all of my submitters have done them
[04:10] <salgado> I don't have many of them because I have kiko on the next room here, so I usually go chat with him
[04:10] <statik> haven't done any or gotten any, two of my branches claim to have done them
[04:11] <barry> salgado: you should call kiko on the phone :)
[04:11] <barry> kidding
[04:11] <barry> have they been phone calls or irc?  how have the phone calls gone (as far as you know)?
[04:11] <barry> any positive or negative feedback about them?
[04:11] <salgado> the only phone call I had with flacoste went pretty good, I thought
[04:12] <statik> I've gotten no feedback. I expect that preimpl calls will be useful for me
[04:13] <barry> okay, cool.  second question:
[04:13] <bac> i did one with steve before the requirement and it went very well
[04:13] <barry> bac: excellent.  steve is a great person to review with
[04:14] <barry> second question: how long should we leave a needs-reply branch in our queue?  is it our responsibility to bug the submitter to DO SOMETHING with their branch?
[04:14] <bac> barry: my understanding, from what is on the wiki, is the branch owner is responsible for moving the review, and pushing it along when it gets stalled.
[04:15] <salgado> in general I don't worry about them, but that's not nice from the submitters because we invested effort to review it and then they forgot about that work
[04:15] <barry> i'm happy to leave needs-reply and merge_* branches in my queue.  makes it look like i have more branches to deal with than i actually do <wink>
[04:15] <bac> barry: but a nudge wouldn't hurt
[04:15] <salgado> meaning we may have to review it all again later
[04:15] <barry> salgado: good point
[04:16] <barry> bac: i think i'll start nudging politely :)
[04:16] <barry> ok, done.
[04:17] <salgado> I guess that's it then
[04:17] <salgado> thanks everybody for coming
[04:17] <bac> thanks salgado
[04:17] <barry> thanks salgado, cheers
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #118957 in launchpad-answers ""Unsupported" report should show the question language" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118957
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #118958 in soyuz "Prevent commercial component from being probed on mirrors" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118958
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #118962 in soyuz "Prevent the new commercial component from updating Ubuntu archive" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118962
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #118976 in launchpad "Source IP of site visitors not currently reported in Launchpad logs" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118976
[07:33] <oly-> could someone point me at a tutorial, or help me with setting up a bazaar branch on launchpad ?
[07:52] <oly-> scratch that think i have got my code uploaded, was using wrong username :p
[08:08] <Rinchen> matsubara, fyi 118991
[08:08] <Rinchen> I tagged it as fif
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #118991 in launchpad "Misleading wording on Milestone Overview" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118991
[08:16] <matsubara> Rinchen: thanks. confirmed
[09:05] <oly-> could someone help me upload my code to bazaar, i ran the push command the branch got created but it gets displayed as empty
[09:06] <tsmithe> oly-, i doubt they can "upload" it for you
[09:06] <oly-> why would this be, bzr status lists my files, so not sure why it says empty
[09:06] <tsmithe> but they can check it out :P
[09:06] <oly-> do not want it uploaded for me, want to know what i am doing wrong
[09:06] <oly-> probably me :p
[09:07] <oly-> i did a bzr init, then a bzr add then tryed the push
[09:07] <tsmithe> well, i think it looks like you did everything right
[09:07] <tsmithe> ah
[09:07] <tsmithe> did you commit?
[09:07] <oly-> i did try but that just opens up a list of my files in nano
[09:08] <tsmithe> that usually suggests a conflict that needs resolving
[09:08] <radix> oly-: wait, "bzr status" lists your fileS?
[09:08] <oly-> yep, guessing thats locally though
[09:08] <radix> oly-: "bzr status" should only show changes that *aren't* in the branch
[09:08] <radix> right
[09:08] <radix> do you need to 'bzr add' some files?
[09:09] <oly-> i did bzr add, i read that adds all files and forlders
[09:09] <radix> yep
[09:09] <radix> oly-: then you need to 'bzr commit'  to get it saved to your branch
[09:09] <tsmithe> -m "comment"
[09:09] <radix> oly-: then you need to 'bzr push <URL>' to upload it
[09:10] <oly-> yeah, but bzr commit just opens nano, is that supposed to happen ?
[09:10] <radix> oly-: yes, you're supposed to type in a description of the changes you made
[09:10] <radix> oly-: then save it and quit the editor
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #118998 in launchpad "Launchpad's Bug Report Page has badly formatted aspects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118998
[09:10] <radix> oly-: or, as tsmithe points out, you can type 'bzr commit -m "description"' to specify the description on the command line
[09:10] <radix> I often type lengthy commit messages, so I prefer to use the editor :-)
[09:11] <oly-> okay will try that
[09:12] <oly-> actually, if i submit a file by accident can i remove all traces of it ?
[09:12] <oly-> i think the commit worked this time it said committed revision 1
[09:42] <oly-> does this fetch phase, on a push take a while ?
[09:42] <oly-> the progress bar does not seem to move,
[09:49] <jelmer> oly-: yeah, it can take a while if used over a dumb transport (sftp, for example)
[09:49] <oly-> yeah using it over sftp, it stuck on phase 1/4 and the bar is not moving
[09:50] <oly-> if i did it right its only 12mb, if i did it wrong it 90mb :p
[09:50] <oly-> but i am starting to think its crashed
[09:51] <oly-> will leave it a bit longer and see
[10:06] <oly-> it mved a nnotch any faster way todo this, or why does it take so long
[10:11] <exarkun> oly-: Do you have 12 million 1 byte files?
[10:12] <oly-> nope, they will all be in the k regions
[10:13] <oly-> it does not really tell you what its doing, if its uploading speed and howfar through would be useful to know
[10:14] <oly-> at least then i would know if its a slow connection, but usually the connection here is fast ie would take a minute or two to transfer 12 mb
[10:17] <oly-> actually doing bzr rm file does that stop files uploading, or does it just stop future versions uploading ?
[10:17] <oly-> because that could explain it,
[10:17] <oly-> if it does not stop the upload
[11:17] <jam-laptop> mthaddon: https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/7363 has spam again
[11:17] <jam-laptop> I thought you blocked that user
[11:18] <mthaddon> I did, will do it again... just in the middle of something then I'll get to it
[11:18] <jam-laptop> np
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #119011 in launchpad "no way to vote for bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119011
[11:46] <mthaddon> jam-laptop: user disabled (again?) and comment deleted
[11:52] <oly-> i managed to upload my code onto launch pad, but i made 3 identical copies, how would i go about removing 2 ?
[11:54] <mthaddon> oly- if you let me know which ones you want deleted I can take care of that for you
[11:55] <oly-> well there all identical so any of the 2, i commited 3 times locally not realising that meant 3 uploads :P
[11:56] <mthaddon> what's the project?
[11:56] <oly-> im a n00b to bazaar as i am sure you can guess
[11:56] <oly-> https://code.launchpad.net/~oly/usm/development
[11:57] <mthaddon> oly- those aren't separate uploads, they're showing the recent revisions - every time you commit to your branch, that's a revision, and launchpad will track it
[11:57] <oly-> is there a way to clear the project completely by the way ?
[11:57] <oly-> oh okay, silly me :p
[11:58] <mthaddon> I can mark the project inactive if you want me to
[11:59] <oly-> na just thinking once i have finished getting the hang of bazaar be nice to clear it and use it properly
[11:59] <mthaddon> gotcha


[18:03] <wililupy> Can't see the slides...
[18:03] <wililupy> There we go.
[18:08] <stokachu> Docs: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/clouddocs/installer/, Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenStack/Installer, IRC: #ubuntu-server
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[18:38] <jgrimm> Any Questions?
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[19:43] <jgrimm> 15 minutes left in session, if folks want to tee up any questions for Blake
[19:48] <jgrimm> thanks blake_r!
[19:49] <blake_r> jgrimm: np
[19:49] <jgrimm> session is over, but if you have further questions about maas 1.9 or maas in general talke to blake_r