[03:27] <sheroazura> hallo
[03:50] <philipballew> a hd thats probably formated in hfs isnt mounting on my system. any help having it do so?
[03:53] <philipballew> here is a dmesg output http://paste.ubuntu.com/695976/
[03:54] <sheroazura> hallo
[03:54] <zkriesse> sheroazura: hi
[16:15] <argenk> Hi, can anybody help me?
[16:16] <argenk> I can't change my screen resolution. I have a big monitor (23") and I can't make it work in 1920x1080 : /
[16:21] <philipballew> argenk, what did you do so far
[17:37] <Petskull> Hi!
[17:41] <philipballew> hi Petskull
[17:42] <Petskull> hi!
[17:42] <Petskull> I'm sorta killing my 11.04 desktop by enabling Compiz cube
[17:42] <Petskull> I've lost some functionality- can you help?
[17:43] <lisiano> Can you tell us what happens? Like it flashes and everything is without window borders.
[17:43] <philipballew> emabling the cube takes a bit of hacking
[17:43] <philipballew> Petskull, i have the cube on mine and ill show you yhe guide i followed
[17:44] <Petskull> thanks, man
[17:44] <Petskull> but- right now I'd like to get back to 'titlebars working'
[17:44] <Petskull> 'alt-tab working'
[17:44] <philipballew> but in the mean time we need to fix what you broke
[17:44] <Petskull> atc
[17:44] <Petskull> exactly
[17:46] <philipballew> so what is exactly wrong with it?
[17:46] <philipballew> tell me if unity --reset helps
[17:47] <Petskull> well, I'm on Ubuntu Classic now
[17:47] <Petskull> try it anyway?
[17:47] <Petskull> my titlebars are no longer working, I cant't drag/resize windows, etc
[17:48] <Petskull> not even with alt-drag
[17:48] <Petskull> can't alt-tab at all
[17:48] <Petskull> I managed to alt-space X, so I can fullscreen my windows
[17:49] <Petskull> I can click on the bottom panel for the windows
[17:52] <philipballew> id try to see what you have enabled in ccsm and not
[17:52] <Petskull> hold on
[17:52] <philipballew> if you tell me what you have enabled i can tell you how it compares to mine
[17:56] <Petskull> I was gonna send you screenies, but apparently bayimg is blocked from here
[17:57] <Petskull> This site was categorized in: Photo sharing, Nudity, Pornography
[17:57] <Petskull> WTF??
[17:58] <Petskull> man, I dunno
[17:58] <Petskull> ok- lemme see what I can do here
[17:59] <Petskull> email?
[17:59] <urlin2u> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[18:00] <philipballew> whatever works
[18:01] <urlin2u> philipballew, have you checked out displex
[18:01] <philipballew> no
[18:01] <philipballew> :)
[18:02] <ReWom> Hello
[18:02] <urlin2u> it is a app that will do alot of what the fusion-icon did do previously, including restarting compiz pretty cool.  http://sourceforge.net/projects/displex/files/
[18:02] <Petskull> http://imagebin.org/173883
[18:04] <Petskull> http://imagebin.org/173884
[18:04] <Petskull> philipballew,
[18:05] <philipballew> ah. i see
[18:05] <philipballew> now
[18:05] <nlsthzn> ReWom: shoot away with your issue and/or question ;)
[18:06] <Petskull> now what?
[18:06] <philipballew> what exactly cant you do pedro3005
[18:06] <philipballew> ph crap
[18:06] <philipballew> Oh*
[18:06] <philipballew> Petskull,
[18:07] <pedro3005> i can't do lots of things, man
[18:07] <pedro3005> i wish i could do everything
[18:07] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:08] <philipballew> pedro3005, If you find a way to make something appear from nothing, let me know
[18:10] <Petskull> philipballew, whatcha got?
[18:10] <philipballew> Petskull, what cant you do on unity?
[18:10] <Petskull> my titlebars are no longer working, I cant't drag/resize windows, etc
[18:10] <Petskull> can't alt-tab at all
[18:11] <Petskull> I managed to alt-space X, so I can fullscreen my windows
[18:11] <Petskull> I can click on the bottom panel for the windows
[18:11] <philipballew> look at window managment
[18:11] <Petskull> all that stuff from up there
[18:11] <Petskull> ok
[18:11] <philipballew> try resize window foe sure
[18:13] <philipballew> you need to fidle with it
[18:14] <philipballew> https://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/howto-get-the-compiz-desktop-cube-in-ubuntu-11-04-natty-and-unity/
[18:15] <Petskull> I think I'll just make a new user and delete this one
[18:16] <philipballew> do what you want
[18:22] <Petskull> hah!! that link you gave:
[18:22] <Petskull> "etting the cube wasn’t easy the way that I did it. I can’t adequately describe the screen crash-storm that simply clicking on Desktop Cube created."
[18:22] <Petskull> HAHAHAH!!!   I can alt+drag windows again!
[18:37] <philipballew> nice!!!
[18:37] <Petskull> well, it brought unity into my setup
[18:37] <Petskull> not the best
[18:37] <Petskull> still no window borders
[18:38] <Petskull> but I can alt-tab and switch desktop
[18:38] <urlin2u> you have to have a restart windows manager switch with compiz in natty the refresh rate is not solid, you can make a launcger for the fusion icon or the displez ap works even better. That link explains this conundrum.
[18:39] <Petskull> yeah, I read the whole thing
[18:39] <Petskull> I can't believe they shipped this like this
[18:40] <philipballew> Petskull, it works great when not tampered with
[18:40] <philipballew> but its not a lts release
[18:40] <urlin2u> it is not the OS, it works fine if you don't enable the cube. It also works fine if you do and know how to do it. :D
[18:42] <Petskull> hmm... loged out and logged back in
[18:42] <Petskull> logged*
[18:42] <philipballew> hows it workin Petskull
[18:43] <Petskull> selected 'Ubuntu Classic' but I get the left-hand panel
[18:43] <Petskull> I also have the bottom panel... weird
[18:43] <Petskull> but it's pretending it never happened- so it's all good
[18:43] <Petskull> man, I wish I could install 10.10
[18:44] <philipballew> try 11.10
[18:45] <Petskull> is it this same crap?
[18:47] <philipballew> its unity improved
[18:47] <philipballew> unity works nice. you juse messed it up
[18:47] <Petskull> yeah, I've been trying it for a few days to see if it's just change-shock
[18:48] <Petskull> but I don't think so
[18:48] <Petskull> we'll see
[18:48] <Petskull> but for now I just feel embarrassed in front of all the people I've recommended Ubuntu to over the years
[18:48] <philipballew> if you lived near me id give you a run down of it in person, but I doubt that
[18:49] <Petskull> heh
[18:49] <Petskull> yeah, I doubt I'm close
[18:49] <Petskull> where are you?
[18:50] <philipballew>  san diego CA
[18:50] <Petskull> I'm in Afghanistan
[18:50] <philipballew> nice! how long you lived there?
[18:51] <Petskull> you gonna take the bus or you wanna meet at a mall in between
[18:51] <Petskull> ?
[18:51] <Petskull> heh- a few months
[18:52] <philipballew> nice!!! though, seriously. I can get unity working again for you if you need
[18:52] <Petskull> forget the run-down, man..  if I'm a computer guy and I bang on this, can you imagine my mother trying to grok this with me on the phone?  Nah..
[18:53] <philipballew> yeah, thats why their getting it polished before 12.04
[18:53] <philipballew> thats the stable version
[18:53] <Petskull> I've been running *nix for 10 years... ubuntu for about 5...
[18:54] <Petskull> I'm all for cheerleading the linux.... but this is crap... and shame on us as a community if we lie to ourselves about it
[18:54] <philipballew> how so?
[18:55] <Petskull> ubuntu's awesome because thing's rarely break..
[18:55] <Fanshawe> I left a message earlier about Evolution, any responses?
[18:55] <Petskull> they even got a little window for installing the NVidia drivers, which used to be a pain
[18:56] <philipballew> very true, Unity is new. like I said, 11.04 is not intended to be a super stable release
[18:56] <philipballew> they now that
[18:56] <philipballew> and they are working out all bugs till 12.04
[18:56] <Petskull> a lot of things 'just work'.. what is Unity trying to *be*?
[18:56] <Petskull> it's not a windowing system..
[18:57] <Petskull> it's not that it's buggy
[18:57] <philipballew> its a desktop gnome shell
[18:57] <philipballew> you can try xubuntu or kubuntu or lubuntu
[18:57] <Petskull> heh- I got it
[18:57] <Petskull> yeah, I know that
[18:57] <philipballew> hop on over to #ubuntu-classroom
[18:57] <Petskull> this is like GiMP syndrome
[18:57] <philipballew> in 2 minutes someone's giving a session on them
[18:57] <Petskull> 'the problem is people have trouble learning it'
[18:58] <philipballew> gimp is just different
[18:58] <philipballew> linux is not windows
[18:58] <Petskull> I know xubuntu and kubuntu- what's lubuntu?
[18:58] <Petskull> phil- preaching to the choir, man
[18:58] <philipballew> I know im preaching to the chior :)
[18:58] <philipballew> its a lxde version of ubuntu
[18:58] <Petskull> there's a reason I ditcher Mandrake for Ubuntu- I get it
[18:58] <philipballew> !lubuntu
[18:58] <ubot2> lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu . /join #lubuntu for lubuntu support.
[18:59] <Petskull> never heard of lxde
[18:59] <philipballew> its a lightwaight desktop enviorment
[18:59]  * Petskull hunts around gor the damn firefox icon so he can look it up
[18:59] <Petskull> for*
[18:59]  * Petskull is, ironically enough, proving his point
[19:00] <philipballew> your right there
[19:00] <philipballew> I need to go grab some lunch now
[19:01] <philipballew> peace out Petskull
[19:01] <Petskull> bon appetite!
[19:01] <Petskull> thanks for the help!
[19:03] <Fanshawe> Okay, I think I'll put it up again. Hey all, Evolution seems to be delivering duplicate messages in the 'On This Computer' account. Also, after backing up and restoring, my Contacts and Memoes give me errors, and only going back to even earlier backups can fix it.
[19:03] <Fanshawe> Is there anything I can do to fix all that?
[19:06] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: Sorry, not really an expert on configuring Evolution. When I hear duplicate messages getting delivered almost sounds like you have two accounts pointing to same email and both pulling same messages.
[19:06] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: Can you check the accounts setup?
[19:07] <starcraftman> Petskull: philip said you had trouble with Unity? Not a fan?
[19:07] <Petskull> starcraftman, yeah- not a fan
[19:07] <Petskull> he seems to think it's because I don't -get it
[19:08] <Petskull> nice guy, though
[19:08] <starcraftman> Petskull: Well tbh, I immensly dislike the new Unity and Gnome 3 UI designs as well.
[19:08] <starcraftman> It's a preference thing, I use KDE.
[19:08] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: I have three accounts, the one that's configured to default isn't the one listed under 'On This Computer'.  Fanshawe
[19:10] <starcraftman> Petskull: Well, it's just the desktop environment, have you tried Kubuntu or Xubuntu?
[19:10] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: I'll try that right away
[19:10] <pleia2> Petskull: tbh, this is a support channel and it really isn't really the place to insult ubuntu
[19:10] <pleia2> most of us aren't developers, we're users volunteering our time for support
[19:10] <Petskull> *sigh*... I wish people would stop saying that...
[19:10] <Petskull> pleia2, yeah, sorry
[19:11] <Petskull> I actually came here for some help... now I'm just sort of here + disappointed.. hence the bitching
[19:11] <Petskull> I'll stop
[19:11] <pleia2> thank you
[19:12] <starcraftman> Petskull: if you want to try others installing the kubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop packages will get you different environments
[19:12] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: There's another part to this problem, I'm afraid. It seems to be duplicating EVERYTHING in the account, from the earliest e-mails I have. So 1000+ e-mails is becoming 2000+ e-mails.
[19:12] <starcraftman> Petskull: Xubuntu/XFCE is clossest to old GNOME UI.
[19:12] <Petskull> I've tried other WM/DE's.. thanks, though
[19:12] <Petskull> I know a little about them
[19:12] <starcraftman> Petskull: ok then.
[19:14] <Petskull> 'ppreciate it, though
[19:14] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: hmmm, definitely sounds like some sort of duplication.
[19:14] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: Yeah, but I can't really figure out where. It hasn't done that until recently, maybe a week or two?
[19:15] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: Remember doing anything in particular at that point?
[19:16] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: Hate to say it, but I haven't messed around with its configuration at all. It was running just as I wanted it too before this, I had no reason too.
[19:19] <Fanshawe> I think ideally I'm looking for a way to reset the 'On This Computer' account and just re-add the duplicating account as something separate
[19:19] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: hmmm, sorry, not sure, not really expert on evolution. You might want to use other resources, I did just have a nice little session on finding help for Ubuntu see here :
[19:19] <starcraftman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty/FindingHelp
[19:20] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: See pastebin at bottom, got my whole speech.
[19:20] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: Thanks, I'll take a look
[19:20] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: I'm thinking Launchpad Answers in particular might help, Evolution/Ubuntu.
[19:20] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: Or another means, lots of options.
[19:20] <starcraftman> :)
[19:21] <ReWom> Hello again! I'm kind of a noob, and I have a problem with booting my new operating system. I can boot it fine with 2.6.38-8-generic (kernel?), but when I try to boot with 2.6.38-11-generic, I receive the following error: "VFS: Cannot open root device... or unknown block..."
[19:22] <ReWom> But the UUIDs for both menu entries in grub.cfg are the same. One works, the other one doesn't.
[19:22] <ReWom> root=UUID=...
[19:28] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: Perhaps I could ask another question? I've managed to 'reset' the On This Computer account. Is there any way of adding another account without it defaulting to the On This Computer account? That seemed to be what caused the problem
[19:32] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: you just want to reset all of Evolutions settings? You can just move the ~/.evolution folder
[19:32] <starcraftman> That would indicate to evolution on next startup to do a fresh config.
[19:32] <starcraftman> If you back it up to different folder then ya can restore if it doesn't work.
[19:32] <starcraftman> ~ = your home folder.
[19:33] <Fanshawe> Got it. Thanks for your help. I've moved it and it seems that activating my university account again makes the On This Computer account fetch all my messages from there. This time, though, it seems to be fetching the right amount (~1000 rather than ~2000)
[19:35] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: Huzza. Tip, most programs store their configs in such .name folders.
[19:35] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: when not present, program assumes clean install :)
[19:35] <starcraftman> Fanshawe: glad that helps, I'm off now.
[19:36] <Fanshawe> starcraftman: Appreciate it. Later, then
[20:00] <philipballew> my session starts!
[20:00] <nlsthzn> philipballew: good luck :)
[22:10] <jls2> Anyone know how to get cut and paste working for images between Ubuntu and a Citrix session (Windows)?
[22:13] <urlin2u> jls2, citrix is a virtual is this correct.
[22:15] <jls2> Yeah
[22:16] <urlin2u> is it a server between the two or on the same computer?
[22:16] <urlin2u> like virtual box I'm not familiar with citrix
[22:17] <jls2> Ah.. so Citrix is basically like Terminal Services
[22:17] <jls2> Sets up a server so multiple users can login and get a windows desktop and use the applications on that server
[22:18] <jls2> Citrix has a app to connect to the server
[22:18] <jls2> Citrix ICA
[22:18] <urlin2u> not sure but it turns out there is this as well #Citrix
[22:18] <jls2> Thanks
[22:18] <urlin2u> they might have some idea, no problem. :D
[23:34] <ramsrambo>  My frontech webcam model : e-cam JIL 2214 is not working on 10.10 any help?
[23:35] <urlin2u> ramsrambo, have you checked if cheese is installed I believe it was in maverick as well.
[23:35] <urlin2u> hold on I will look on the web.
[23:36] <ramsrambo> thanks for the reply
[23:36] <ramsrambo> cheese is installed
[23:36] <ramsrambo> but does not display the video
[23:37] <ramsrambo> This webcam use to work on ubuntu 9.10 without a problem earlier now when I upgraded it stopped working
[23:38] <ramsrambo> I know it is the driver I need to be looking
[23:40] <ramsrambo> urlin2u : I checked the ubuntu community wiki's I am not sure of the driver that i need to install
[23:40] <urlin2u> ramsrambo, the only thing I found was an old bug so I'm not sure.
[23:40] <ramsrambo> what bug?
[23:41] <ramsrambo> this same webcam worked earlier without a problem
[23:44] <ramsrambo> urlin2u: u r on the other chat room also huh
[23:44] <urlin2u> 7 in all
[23:46] <urlin2u> ramsrambo, old bug though not running now,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/242168
[23:46] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 242168 in linux "frontech webcam "e-cam" doesnt work with hardy" [Undecided,Expired]


[01:05] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2168 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ (95 files in 9 dirs): merge with ubiquity trunk
[01:11] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2169 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog): copy xserver-xorg debconf to new install. (only on ubiquity-mythtbuntu until bryce acks this)
[07:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2330 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[07:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Only set migration-assistant data in user-setup if updating an existing
[07:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  user (LP: #135149).
[07:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Properly filter out partitions marked for deletion in
[07:32] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  migrationassistant.py (LP: #146222).
[08:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2331 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):
[08:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Fixed a bug where the migration-assistant page would not be updated to
[08:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  reflect changes, such as if the user went back and partitioned
[08:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  differently, if the page had already been shown.
[09:22] <CIA-18> ubiquity: superm1 * r2332 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[09:22] <CIA-18> ubiquity: copy over xserver-xorg debconf items (received a +1 from bryce that this is needed for gutsy)
[09:22] <CIA-18> ubiquity: this behavior is a temporary workaround, and will be removed for hardy
[09:30] <evand> I have a hunch that ntfs-3g is the cause of /mnt/migrationassistant still being busy when ma-ask is supposed to unmount it, but I'm not quite sure yet why this would be the case.
[09:30] <evand> ma-ask/ma-apply, really
[09:34] <superm1> can you perhaps add some debugging calls to look for open fd's ?
[09:39] <evand> ah, probably.  But first, sleep.
[09:39] <evand> g'night
[09:39] <superm1> night
[09:39] <superm1> probably a good idea, i should do that too :)
[09:41] <evand> indeed!
[01:05] <xivulon> cjwatson I'd like to introduce a ubiquity/safe_mode boolean so that if that is true, no raw partition gets formatted and MBR is untouched.
[01:05] <xivulon> I'd like to avoid that someone
[01:06] <xivulon> ends up with a formatted partition because fo some (undetected) code bugs and/or preseed errors
[01:07] <xivulon> to be precise now I skip raw partition formatting IF some conditions are true, I do not want to run the danger of having those conditions not to return true...
[01:09] <xivulon> I'll turn up a warning anyway so that syslog can still be used to detect above failures without ending up with people on my doorsteps
[01:09] <xivulon> All of the above will be in my override_files of course
[01:16] <xivulon> To be precise the installer will quit immidiately with a warning msg if we try to perform any "unsafe operation" when safe-mode is on
[04:57] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: evand * r65 migration-assistant/ (debian/changelog ma-ask):
[04:57] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: * Fix logging.
[04:57] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: * Fix IFS handling around call to expr.
[04:58] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: evand * r66 migration-assistant/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.5.3
[05:28] <seb128> hi
[05:29] <seb128> is ubiquity supposed to have a "resize automatically and install" option?
[05:32] <xivulon> cjwatson, I did a bit of research, and do not think that creating large contiguous image files fast is an easy task in Linux
[05:34] <xivulon> the truth to be told that operation is easier in windows, is creating images within autoapartition-loop a strong preference?
[05:34] <cjwatson_> seb128: usually but it's not guaranteed - depends on your partition layout
[05:35] <cjwatson_> xivulon: talk to me after gutsy or at UDS
[05:35] <cjwatson_> I don't have brain-space now :)
[05:35] <cjwatson_> seb128: /var/log/partman will have a note buried in it somewhere as to why it isn't being shown
[05:35] <xivulon> eh I have to ship a release too :P
[05:35] <seb128> cjwatson_: I tried on my new laptop yesterday which had one 110G ntfs partition with 10G used
[05:36] <cjwatson_> xivulon: in general I have a strong preference for doing partitioning in Linux, but what you do in your release is your business :)
[05:36] <seb128> ok, I'll have a look if I still get the issue
[05:36] <seb128> I used gparted to resize
[05:36] <seb128> and installed on this partition
[05:36] <evand> cjwatson_: if it's reasonable and you have time, can you upload a new m-a and ubiquity?  I don't need it to go on the CD.
[05:36] <cjwatson_> seb128: how much unpartitioned space?
[05:36] <cjwatson_> or maybe ntfsresize barfed on it
[05:36] <evand> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/migration-assistant_0.5.3.dsc
[05:37] <xivulon> cjwatson, by the way in case you did not nonticed I submitted a couple of bug reports re sendsigs
[05:37] <evand> I cannot currently prepare the latter as there's some sort of weird networking issue between me and launchpad/ubuntu.com
[05:37] <cjwatson_> evand: ok
[05:37] <cjwatson_> xivulon: I didn't notice; I can't get to my mail today
[05:37] <evand> cjwatson_: thanks, I very much appreciate it
[05:37] <xivulon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto-loop/+bug/150822
[05:38] <seb128> cjwatson_: none, there is a few Go dell rescue partition, the 110G window vista and like 6-7M which was listed as not partitioned IIRC
[05:39] <seb128> cjwatson_: and after the resize and ubuntu installation the windows vista boot choice is not listed which is somewhat annoying, I need to figure what happened there
[05:39] <seb128> the "dell utility" item is listed
[05:39] <seb128> and Ubuntu
[05:39] <seb128> and that's it
[05:39] <xivulon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/150831
[05:40] <cjwatson_> seb128: the rescue partitions mean that you almost certainly have three primary partitions
[05:40] <cjwatson_> seb128: that's enough to inhibit auto-resize at present. we may be able to relax this in hardy.
[05:41] <cjwatson_> seb128: the vista thing should be fixed in today's daily - what were you testing?
[05:41] <seb128> I think I had 2
[05:41] <seb128> the vista one and the dell one
[05:41] <cjwatson_> seb128: my Dell laptop shipped with three
[05:41] <seb128> let me check
[05:45] <cjwatson_> xivulon: both look plausible, can you deal with both of those in local overrides for gutsy?
[05:48] <seb128> cjwatson_: ah right, there is a 94.1M fat16 partition
[05:48] <seb128> cjwatson_: ok, so the resize option is not listed because of the 3 primary partitions?
[05:48] <seb128> that's slightly annoying because ubiquity let you no other choice than to format windows
[05:49] <cjwatson_> seb128: or manual partitioning, come on :)
[05:49] <cjwatson_> seb128: but yeah, I know it sucks, can't fix it for gutsy though
[05:49] <cjwatson_> there's a bug filed about it
[05:49] <cjwatson_> it's because partman used to think that the root partition absolutely had to be primary
[05:49] <seb128> you can resize from manual partitionning?
[05:49] <cjwatson_> we can relax that for gutsy because the bootloader installers deal with logicals
[05:49] <cjwatson_> seb128: yes, of course
[05:49] <cjwatson_> now
[05:49] <seb128> I didn't spot the option, closed and used gparted
[05:49] <cjwatson_> edit the partition and change the size
[05:50] <seb128> that was no obvious to me
[05:50] <seb128> and there was no label on the button suggesting I can resize
[05:50] <seb128> I didn't try that
[05:50] <cjwatson_> we have a design for making it a nice drag thing, but we need gtk/cairo help to actually implement it ...
[05:50] <seb128> ok
[05:50] <cjwatson_> it's true it's not as obvious as it could be at the moment
[05:51] <seb128> and do you have any idea why the vista partition is not listed in grub after installation?
[05:51] <evand> that may be fixed
[05:51] <evand> was this a daily desktop CD?  If so, what date?
[05:52] <cjwatson_> seb128: 16:41 <cjwatson_> seb128: the vista thing should be fixed in today's daily - what were you testing?
[05:52] <evand> ah, I missed that as well
[05:52] <seb128> ups, sorry I didn't read that
[05:52] <seb128> I did the installation yesterday afternoon
[05:52] <seb128> and that was the daily from yesterday
[05:52] <cjwatson_> it was a combination busybox/os-prober bug
[05:52] <cjwatson_> fixed yesterday (I hope)
[05:52] <cjwatson_> would appreciate re-testing today
[05:52] <seb128> I'll try a new installation now
[05:52] <seb128> I was about to do it
[05:53] <seb128> I've not configured anything on the laptop yet, I will use it to test installs until gutsy
[05:53] <cjwatson_> cool
[05:53] <seb128> cjwatson_, evand: thanks
[05:53] <cjwatson_> laptop refresh program?
[05:53] <seb128> yes ;)
[05:54] <cjwatson_> worked for me ;-)
[05:56] <xivulon> cjwatson_: overrides are fine
[05:56] <cjwatson_> xivulon: ok, good
[05:56] <cjwatson_> those two will be easy to fix when hardy opens
[05:56] <cjwatson_> evand: m-a uploaded
[05:59] <xivulon> cjwatson, quick question is killall5 picky about sendsigs.omit formatting? I mean things like: pidof NOPROCESS >> sendsigs.omit, 2 X pidof sameprocess >> sendisgs.omit, pidof morethanoneprocess >> sendsigs.omit...
[05:59] <cjwatson_>         if [ -e /var/run/sendsigs.omit ] ; then
[05:59] <cjwatson_>                 for pid in $(cat /var/run/sendsigs.omit); do
[05:59] <cjwatson_>                         OMITPIDS="${OMITPIDS:+$OMITPIDS }-o $pid"
[05:59] <cjwatson_>                 done
[05:59] <cjwatson_>         fi
[06:00] <cjwatson_> duplicates won't matter and nonexistent pids will be ignored
[06:00] <xivulon> 2 pids in one line?
[06:00] <cjwatson_> not a problem
[06:00] <xivulon> great
[06:00] <cjwatson_> it does care that they're all integers
[06:01] <cjwatson_> and you aren't allowed more than 16
[06:01] <cjwatson_> (stupid arbitrary limit, sorry, was in a hurry)
[06:01] <xivulon> you can tell when it's C and not python...
[06:02] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2333 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.6.4
[06:04] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2334 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): * Automatic update of included source packages: migration-assistant 0.5.3.
[06:08] <xivulon> cjwatson, maybe you want to consider the latest lupin, rev 52 diff is 1 lines and avoids having to know what $rootmount is in preseed, 53 fixes the bug above (but forgot to check whether pidof is available in initrd).
[06:10] <cjwatson_> xivulon: sorry, if it's not completely necessary, it's too late
[06:10] <xivulon> no big issue
[06:10] <cjwatson_> the uploads I'm doing for evand fix serious installer bugs and data loss
[06:10] <cjwatson_> they're not casual targets of opportunity :)
[06:11] <xivulon> well sendsigs/update-grub bugs might be very annoying, but since I am probably the only one on a fuse filesystem, that should be ok for an override
[06:12] <xivulon> no sendsigs ~ hard-reboot
[06:14] <cjwatson_> evand: all of your ubiquity changes are tested, right?
[06:14] <cjwatson_> silly question but it's worth checking :)
[06:14] <cjwatson_> (I've been known to skip testing obvious changes myself!)
[06:15] <evand> yes
[06:15] <evand> if you'd like I can test further, but I tested everything as I went
[06:15] <evand> on multiple VMs
[06:17] <cjwatson_> no, that's fine, I just wanted to be sure as I wasn't sure I understood the ubiquity m-a changes
[06:17] <cjwatson_> but I think I grok them now
[06:17] <bdmurray> Hello, I ran across a bug that might worth looking at.
[06:17] <bdmurray> bug 145836 regarding ubiquity
[06:18] <cjwatson_> bdmurray: most likely unionfs fallout
[06:18] <cjwatson_> the suggested fix cannot work unless the filesystem is fucked
[06:19] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2335 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.6.4
[06:19] <cjwatson_> bdmurray: I've commented in the bug to that effect
[06:21] <bdmurray> Ah, that makes sense.  The dailies should not see that issue then?
[06:22] <cjwatson_> bdmurray: btw, this is exactly an example of a bug I don't think should be Triaged ;-)
[06:22] <cjwatson_> bdmurray: I hope not
[06:22] <cjwatson_> (not Triaged => because as a general rule complete system hangs in the live CD are not ubiquity bugs)
[06:23] <bdmurray> I'll look again but I thought they said they could continue to use the Live CD so that isn't a complete system hang right?
[06:25] <cjwatson_> some of them said they couldn't
[06:25] <cjwatson_> the installer basically never hangs of its own accord in the range of the progress bar when it's copying files, at any rate
[06:25] <cjwatson_> 53% is right in the middle of that
[06:26] <cjwatson_> anyway, the point is, to a developer the bug reeks of "live session is irreparably screwed by something outside the installer's control", but I wouldn't expect a QA person without direct installer development experience to know that
[06:27] <cjwatson_> it's a good example of where development experience (specifically knowledge of what's going on at that progress bar step) can help work out what's wrong
[06:30] <bdmurray> I understand your point and what Keybuk mentioned yesterday.  However, it seems like only someone familiar with the code could set the bug to Triaged.  Which what I recall from Sevilla was not the goal of the Triaged state.  I'm under the impression the goal was to identify more complete bugs so developers have a smaller pool of bugs to look at.  (Granted this is the ideal workflow.)
[06:31] <cjwatson_> honestly, I would find a state that meant "I have (or somebody I trust to know this code has) looked at this bug and agree it is a problem in this package" much more useful
[06:31] <cjwatson_> because that lets me use those bugs as a list of things to spend hacking time fixing
[06:32] <cjwatson_> whereas the Triaged state as you define it just produces a slightly different list of things I need to look at and accept, which really isn't a significant improvement over Confirmed
[06:33] <cjwatson_> it certainly isn't worth the extra bug state to me
[06:37] <bdmurray> I think the triaged state is worth discussing in more detail then.  Perhaps at UDS?
[06:41] <cjwatson_> bdmurray: *nod*
[06:41] <xivulon> "Triage is a system of sorting patients according to need when resources are insufficient for all to be treated.". Hmm that's a method not a status...
[06:42] <cjwatson_> "triaged" is the past participle of "triage" and thus has a more adjectival meaning
[06:43] <xivulon> Hmm but if treage is a "system of sorting", triaged means "sorted"... Doesn't say much about the sorting order... In fact then there are triaged "tags"
[06:43] <xivulon> but english is not my thing...
[06:45] <cjwatson_> triaged means "the nurse (bug investigator) has looked at the patient (the bug) and agreed that he (it) needs to see a doctor (a developer)"
[06:45] <cjwatson_> (I think the state is misnamed as well as less than useful ;-))
[06:45] <cjwatson_> well, actually, it's probably correctly named with its current definition
[06:47] <xivulon> Guess that's when there are no nurses around, we should stick to triaged then...
[07:24] <seb128> I'm trying a daily install on my laptop
[07:25] <seb128> looks like it's blocked on the langpack installation (87% not moving for some time), my wireless connection is not activated (didn't pick it in network manager), is that expected?
[07:25] <evand> yeah, I'm working on a fix for tht
[07:25] <evand> that*
[07:25] <evand> cjwatson_: do you think checking n-m for an active connection, since we use it by default now, would be reasonable?
[07:26] <cjwatson_> perhaps for hardy
[07:26] <cjwatson_> I think we're stuck with what we've got now
[07:26] <evand> ok
[07:27] <evand> even for kubuntu where it freezes, or is that important enough for a fix before release?
[07:35] <seb128> how do I continue the installation?
[07:35] <seb128> it's stucked at 87% there
[07:35] <evand> seb128: is this an ubuntu daily or kubuntu?
[07:37] <seb128> ubuntu
[07:37] <evand> argh, so it's just locking up rather than giving you a dialog that it cannot find the language packs?
[07:38] <seb128> yes
[07:39] <seb128> the progress bar is at 87% for a while now
[07:39] <seb128> I started the install, closed the lid, went away, came back half an hour later and it was stucked to 87%
[07:39] <seb128> and it's still there
[07:41] <evand> yikes.  I think the only thing you can do is give it a network connection and restart the install.
[07:42] <seb128> doh
[07:42] <seb128> that's not nice
[07:44] <evand> indeed, sorry.  I'm looking for a solution.
[07:47] <seb128> no problem
[07:47] <seb128> I've not stopped it
[07:47] <seb128> if you need any debug info let me know
[08:01] <cjwatson_> I don't think this is any worse than previous releases
[08:01] <cjwatson_> this isn't a new problem, though it may have morphed a bit
[08:03] <seb128> that's the first time I run into it
[08:03] <seb128> but usually I'm playing with the CD during install so I activate the network ;)
[08:07] <cjwatson_> it's fine if there's say a proxy that actively rejects the packets
[08:07] <cjwatson_> if the packets just get dropped, that's when it breaks
[08:07] <cjwatson_> we have an item on the UDS schedule for fixing this properly
[08:07] <seb128> ok, cool
[08:08] <seb128> there used to be a "cancel" button during the language pack downloads no?
[08:14] <xivulon> where do I find the UDS schedule?
[08:22] <seb128> cjwatson_, evand: do you have a bug number about the language pack download bug?
[08:24] <evand> seb128: yes, it used to have a cancel button.  And bug #145012.
[08:25] <evand> xivulon: afaik, there's no published schedule yet.
[08:26] <seb128> evand: thanks
[08:27] <cjwatson_> xivulon: on the whiteboard in the London office
[08:27] <cjwatson_> we're working on it ;-)
[08:35] <seb128> doh
[08:35] <seb128> and how do I workaround the language pack bug on a computer without network?
[08:36] <seb128> I've a desktop with a wired card but not network plug near to use right now
[08:36] <seb128> and the installation is stucked there the same way
[08:36] <evand> install in english
[08:36] <seb128> and I can't activate any network
[08:36] <seb128> that has to be rc
[08:36] <seb128> or any non english install will fail if you have no network connection?
[08:36] <cjwatson_> are any network interfaces up?
[08:36] <cjwatson_> ifconfig?
[08:37] <seb128> yes
[08:37] <seb128> eth0 is up
[08:37] <seb128> but not configured
[08:37] <cjwatson_> I wonder why?
[08:37] <cjwatson_> err, up but not configured?
[08:37] <cjwatson_> can you paste ifconfig output?
[08:37] <seb128> I mean no IP
[08:38] <seb128> no, this computer has no network :p
[08:38] <seb128> I can type though
[08:38] <seb128> something similar to
[08:38] <seb128> eth1      Lien encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:40:05:5E:A8:68
[08:38] <seb128>           adr inet6: fe80::240:5ff:fe5e:a868/64 Scope:Lien
[08:38] <seb128>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[08:38] <seb128>           Packets reus:0 erreurs:0 :0 overruns:0 frame:0
[08:38] <seb128>           TX packets:0 errors:6 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:12
[08:38] <seb128>           collisions:102 lg file transmission:1000
[08:38] <seb128>           Octets reus:0 (0.0 b) Octets transmis:468 (468.0 b)
[08:38] <seb128>           Interruption:19 Adresse de base:0xc000
[08:38] <seb128> that is an another computer
[08:39] <seb128> I don't think details count
[08:39] <seb128> I mean the HWaddr, etc
[08:40] <seb128> I didn't touch the intefaces, I guess that's network-manager work
[08:41] <cjwatson_> or casper, conceivably
[08:41] <cjwatson_> I think probably not thouygh
[08:41] <cjwatson_> though
[08:41] <cjwatson_> seb128: anything non-comment in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:49] <seb128> cjwatson_: the 2 lines about lo and that's everything
[08:49] <seb128> no commented lines
[09:42] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2336 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.6.5
[09:47] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2337 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py):
[09:47] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Revert accidental copy and paste of migration-assistant specific
[09:47] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  code (LP: #151051).