[08:05] <whiskey_1> Reblended, well..i don't care about dvd...i only bought two of them....but some of these people are willing to pay and some just want to download the codecs and decryption for free from Hungary
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> trygvebw,  i was thinking there was some gnome-cam prog.   Anyone know how to find a howto?
[08:07] <bestadvocate> that took like 3 hours of messing around...
[08:07] <trygvebw> Reblended: yeah
[08:07] <MrParker> whiskey_1 I'm not doing anything stupid, microsoft is :P
[08:07] <whiskey_1> MrParker, well ok
[08:07] <lunitik> MrParker: possible to ask what they wanted to sue for?
[08:08] <Reblended> trygvebw cool! so from the very moment I press the pwr button... all os x?
[08:08] <bestadvocate> MrParker:still havent done that paper :-0
[08:08] <trygvebw> x_or: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22362
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> trygvebw,  silly trygvebw  google's not a webcam program.. its a search engine. :P
[08:08] <Reblended> try thx
[08:08] <thoreauputic> for anyone interested - mandrakesoft has changed its name to mandriva
[08:08] <MrParker> Yeah, we buy used computers from wholesalers that come with COAs affixed to them. Our wholesaler told us this was license to put windows 98 on them. So we did.
[08:08] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, XD
[08:08] <lunitik> thoreauputic: hahaha
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> trygvebw,  actually i was thinkig i saw some prog in the default gnome menus.. but cant find it now.
[08:08] <thoreauputic> mandrake+ connectiva
[08:08] <Reblended> and next mandriva >  monrovia?
[08:08] <MrParker> As the computers were supposed to be licensed themselves for 98
[08:08] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, moment...
[08:08] <thoreauputic> lunitik: true - just got an email from them :)
[08:09] <MrParker> According to microsoft the COA isn't considered a license without the original manual of all things.
[08:09] <lunitik> thoreauputic: sounds pretty lame... but hey... its better than Madrakesoft
[08:09] <trygvebw> Dr_Willis, http://camorama.fixedgear.org/
[08:09] <MrParker> So without transfer of ownership of the MANUAL we cant load 98 on the machines
[08:09] <whiskey_1> MrParker, well win98 is a sunk cost for me...so we got it all working with free software
[08:09] <lunitik> uh... mandrakesoft
[08:09] <Reblended> trygvebw uhh, the 22362 thread, this is thunderbird banter?
[08:09] <MrParker> however XP will not run on these machines, they're old
[08:09] <thoreauputic> lunitik: haha - yes it's an improvement I guess
[08:09] <MrParker> and they dont offer an option to buy a COA for 98 either
[08:09] <whiskey_1> MrParker, and thanks to clamav for windows and clam mail for windows it works quite well
[08:09] <MrParker> as they dont support it
[08:09] <trygvebw> Reblended: Oh, maybe, moment...
[08:10] <Reblended> =]
[08:10] <trygvebw> hm
[08:10] <trygvebw> It should already be integrated, but...
[08:10] <MrParker> I figured just use ubuntu for demo
[08:10] <trygvebw> i'm testing
[08:10] <vessuvius> trygvebw do you think 20 GB is plenty for /?
[08:10] <trygvebw> vessuvius, yup, more than enough :)
[08:10] <kebikata> vessuvius: is it your only partition?
[08:11] <enntee> Anyone else having an issue using the flash plugin in Hoary? Every flash enabled website crashes the browser when I have it installed?
[08:11] <Reblended> yo whiskey  http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite/dd.htm
[08:11] <vessuvius> kebikata... no, /, swap, 50GB for /var, 200 GB for /home, then I'll have a backup partition
[08:11] <trygvebw> enntee: Have you installed it using the Ubuntuguide HOWTO?
[08:11] <kebikata> vessuvius: weird, why do you split them up like that?
[08:11] <alexsmith> Okay - I have a problem..  ndiswrapper -l says net8180 driver present, hardware present. modprobe ndiswrapper gives a strange error in dmesg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/t2MXE481.html
[08:11] <enntee> trygvebw: yep
[08:12] <trygvebw> kebikata, he thinks it is a good way :)
[08:12] <trygvebw> but maybe it is :)
[08:12] <vessuvius> if a sector goes bad, it usually just happens on one partition
[08:12] <kebikata> well, that's sort of obvious.
[08:12] <bestadvocate> well my computer seems to be handeling rhythembox running with a dvd ripping and a cd ripping and 2 downloads + xchat fairly well
[08:12] <kebikata> what i was asking was WHY
[08:12] <trygvebw> :P
[08:12] <vessuvius> so if they are split, you can recover your data even if say /boot goes to hell
[08:13] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe connection on boot?
[08:13] <trygvebw> hm... suddenly became quit here :P
[08:13] <vessuvius> even on windows I had system partition and a data partition... so if I screwed up something and wanted to rebuild, I could just reinstall the os on the one partition, and all my data would still be on the data partition
[08:13] <trygvebw> *quiet
[08:13] <vessuvius> no need to backup
[08:14] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe connection on boot?
[08:14] <Jefis> :)
[08:14] <vessuvius> so I went from win2k to xp, and never had to backup any of my records that were on the data partition
[08:14] <trygvebw> Jefis: Try asking on the forums :)
[08:15] <vessuvius> make sense?
[08:15] <inva|id> sig, I got it to work with uptime | cut -b 11-
[08:15] <trygvebw> vessuvius, make sense: no such target: sense
[08:15] <trygvebw> XD
[08:15] <vessuvius> hehe
[08:16] <bestadvocate> i should close some programs i dont need.....
[08:16] <vessuvius> that's why I backup to fat... so I can always just throw it in a windows machine and get it back
[08:18] <Bauhn> Can anyone help me with configuring so that when i double-click on a directory it doesn't open in a new window..? i got some help before, but couldn't solve it then
[08:18] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe connection on boot? :)
[08:18] <glide4him9> NickServ REGISTER glide4him9
[08:18] <trygvebw> Bauhn: moment...
[08:19] <Nekohayo> ...
[08:19] <farias> No manjo nada
[08:20] <farias> Nem sei o que fazer, pois  o primeiro contato.
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Drat - My QUickCamMessenger - is aparently not well supported in linux.
[08:21] <farias> Se algum puder que ajudar que se habilite.
[08:21] <akk> Webcams are such a problem in linux.
[08:21] <whiskey_1> Reblended, just remember Microsoft wants their money and gnu wants their intellectual improvements and you can get sued either way
[08:21] <farias> De preferencia em Portugues do Brazil.
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> akk,  heck - they tend to be a probem in windows as well
[08:21] <davix> what neat games can I get for linux, such as Enemy Territory?
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Best Webcam I got for windows -- is the PS/2 Eye TOy! ;P
[08:21] <trygvebw> XD
[08:21] <trygvebw> davix: Look at happy penguin
[08:22] <davix> will do, tnx
[08:22] <davix> url?
[08:22] <farias> No sei usar o menu para entrar no Windows.
[08:22] <Rebroad> ah... anyone here want any help getting luminocity working?
[08:22] <trygvebw> davix: http://www.happypenguin.org/
[08:22] <CarlK> booted from the live CD, it errored, no more blanks handy so I can't just burn another - but I have the ISO on the local drive: umount /cdrom, mount /hda4... mount -o loop hda4.../hoary-live.iso - get "mount: could not find a spare loop device" - Is there something I can do about this?
[08:23] <trygvebw> How did it error? Which error?
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> CarlK,  what are you planng on doing with the live cd anyway?
[08:23] <CarlK> read error, fails md5sum
[08:23] <farias> Wall
[08:23] <CarlK> runing glxgears to see if it is any better than my gentoo install
[08:24] <farias> Tank you
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> CarlK,  what video card you got anyway?
[08:24] <trygvebw> CarlK, you need to install 3D drivers to get 3D-accel
[08:24] <CarlK> i810
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> CarlK,  UGH!
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:24] <CarlK> indeed.
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> so one may get ya 20. vs 21 :P
[08:25] <trygvebw> XD
[08:25] <CarlK> i get 30fps woo!
[08:25] <trygvebw> :P
[08:25] <x_or> I'm having trouble logging into imap.  I see mail properly (I assume properly) when I use mail as the mail client.  However, thunderbird cannot login (password refused) to the imap server.  Anyone know how to troubleshoot?
[08:26] <GhostFreeman> what time for Hoary final tomorrow?
[08:26] <trygvebw> GhostFreeman: You should ask on #ubuntu-devel
[08:26] <Earthen> is there a repository where i can apt-get open office 2.0
[08:26] <CarlK> no, you shoulnt ;)
[08:26] <trygvebw> Earthen: The official Ubuntu Hoary
[08:27] <CarlK> or... lets all go ask and watch the fireworks!
[08:27] <Earthen> mmm i didn't see it there
[08:27] <trygvebw> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org2
[08:28] <Rebroad> what does openoffice2 do that openoffice1 doesn't?
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> Its a higher version # - so its better!
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:28] <trygvebw> Rebroad: Lots of things, improved usability, userfriendly-ity, supports more formats like OpenDocument etc.
[08:29] <Reblended> soon, I will say bye bye XPatooie
[08:29] <Earthen> it can open worperfict files
[08:29] <Rebroad> Dr_Willis: and you are a doctor of....?
[08:29] <Reblended> Dr of bruce
[08:29] <trygvebw> Earthen: I think so, *checking*
[08:29] <Earthen> wordperfict
[08:29] <LeeColleton> my computer has a CF reader built into it.  How can I make CF media automount on insert?  Right now I'm using "pmount -t vfat /dev/hde1" and it's a PITA
[08:29] <Reblended> i love pita bread
[08:29] <CarlK> LeeColleton - is it a toshiba laptop 6100?
[08:29] <trygvebw> Earthen: Yes, it can :)
[08:29] <Reblended> and you love Bruce Willis?
[08:30] <hone> CarlK, I have an ibm with one
[08:30] <kkathman> greetings all :)
[08:30] <nydust> when i am running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b i get make *** path error 2 how do i correct this
[08:30] <Earthen> yeah i know thats the differance between 2.0 and the older one
[08:30] <Rebroad> I can't believe I've been spending days using jhbuild to download, configure, compile and install 215 packages when I only needed it to do 17...
[08:30] <LeeColleton> CarlK: no it's an IBM X30
[08:30] <CarlK> I hear the 6100's is some priorty thingy that has no documentaion, so no open source support :(
[08:31] <hone> CarlK: yeah I have an ibm x31, can't get it to automount either
[08:31] <Reblended> whiskey... intellectual improvements? aka: outhinking microsoft?
[08:31] <LeeColleton> CarlK: the CF drive works through a PCMCIA interface
[08:31] <Reblended> True is it not, that Microsft uses a linux server for their email?
[08:31] <kkathman> I am trying to copy files from an samba share (i.e. a windows box) to my linux box and its giving me an access denied message, how can I fix this...I've tried to get to the smb:// share itself and change permissions and for some reason it keeps trying to get me to change the name
[08:31] <Rebroad> Reblended: it might be
[08:31] <t3rror> what do you all use to display system information on your desktop?
[08:31] <eric__> hey hoary is still full of bugs guys
[08:32] <CarlK> well, mine looks like a USB device (i think) but lsusb doesn't even show a device, jsut a 3rd usb hub
[08:32] <Rebroad> Reblended: when they first took over hotmail, they tried to port it to MS servers, and had to revert back to linux
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> "True is it not   "     <-- A Jedi Soon You will be..
[08:32] <thoreauputic> t3rror: GKrellM
[08:32] <Reblended> this is of course, back in the early NT days... when their server would bog at 50%
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:32] <kkathman> eric__,  well name me a piece of software that doesnt have bugs :)
[08:32] <t3rror> i was wanting something that listed cpu usage, mem usage, network usage, disk space, time, weather, that kind of shit
[08:32] <Reblended> LOL yes, rebroad.. that's the time
[08:32] <Reblended> so windows will just be another linux rewrite one of these days
[08:32] <TSWoodV> t3rror: gkrellm
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> Reblended,  i doubt that.
[08:32] <thoreauputic> t3rror: GKrellM
[08:32] <kkathman> t3rror, I use gkrellm
[08:33] <Reblended> oh good, whew
[08:33] <eric__> kkatchman : well I don't expect it to be bug free I expect that when installing a package it works or at least near to..
[08:33] <trygvebw> kkathman, TeX :D:D:D
[08:33] <TSWoodV> t3rror: There is a gnome weather applet too.
[08:33] <t3rror> sweet, thanks
[08:33] <kkathman> trygvebw, ??
[08:33] <Rebroad> Reblended: Windows is becoming more like linux, and linux is becoming more like MS Windows in various ways
[08:33] <hone> LeeColleton: can you get yours to mount w/ the label?
[08:33] <Reblended> TSWoodV yes, I saw it in the mepis live cd.
[08:33] <hone> LeeColleton: or dowe have to specify it
[08:33] <thoreauputic> the gnome weather applet works fine
[08:33] <Reblended> Rebroad, is the meld bad?
[08:33] <trygvebw> kkathman, just kidding :)
[08:33] <t3rror> i will look for that also
[08:33] <TSWoodV> eric__: Been on hoary for months.   Wasn't there a candidate on the 30/31 of March ?
[08:34] <trygvebw> TSWoodV, same here
[08:34] <trygvebw> sime_, yes
[08:34] <eric__> kkatchman : not only hoarty installed apache 1.3 AND apache 2, that leads to massive conflicts, but the php4-common package refused to install because /usr/share/doc/php4-common/php.ini wasn't existing I had to create a blank one first
[08:34] <sime_> trans_err, rc2 ?
[08:34] <thoreauputic> t3rror: just right click the panel, choose the weather applet
[08:34] <Rebroad> Reblended: well, not always, but when it's competition, usually
[08:34] <trygvebw> sime_, there is no rc2
[08:34] <Reblended> Re =]
[08:34] <TSWoodV> eric__: How are you installing stuff?  What repos are you using
[08:35] <kkathman> so anyway, can anyone tell me how to change permissions on a samba share?
[08:35] <Rebroad> Reblended: like you emulated the first 3 letters of my nick..? :)
[08:35] <eric__> the default ones TSWoodV, universe and others
[08:35] <kkathman> Im just trying to copy a file from my windows box over to linux
[08:35] <sime_> trygvebw, then dates busted on the front page of ubuntu:  "5.04 Release Candidate available!  2005-04-07"
[08:35] <eric__> TSWoodV : I just uncommented /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:35] <Rebroad> kkathman: don't try. do :)
[08:35] <Reblended> Rebroad: you were first, yes. but I did not know your nick until today... I'm from #blender
[08:35] <Schn> what's the kernel to be in the 5.04 release?
[08:35] <trygvebw> sime_, no, that's just todays date :)
[08:35] <TSWoodV> kkathman: First off, have you added your smb user via smbpasswd?
[08:35] <trygvebw> Schn, 2.6.11
[08:35] <Reblended> #blender heads laud ubuntu
[08:36] <Rebroad> Reblended: "laud"?
[08:36] <sime_> trygvebw, but it should be the date of the news item... like the rest of the news posts
[08:36] <Reblended> laud = high praise
[08:36] <nydust> what app do i use to connect on remote desktop (client)
[08:36] <Schn> trygvebw: thx, 2.6.11 is fassst
[08:36] <Etapien> whats the default password while using the live cd
[08:36] <kkathman> TSWoodV not sure, I used to be able to do this when I first installed Ubuntu with no probs with no passwords
[08:36] <Rebroad> why is it that smbfs causes apps to freeze when the network gets unplugged?
[08:36] <trygvebw> sime_, then maybe it's the last time it's updated :)
[08:36] <Etapien> like to unlock the screen saver
[08:36] <trygvebw> because there was no RC today :)
[08:36] <Rebroad> nydust: I like grdesktop
[08:36] <hone> Schn: faster than what?
[08:36] <Reblended> opensource free dictionary?
[08:36] <kkathman> Rebroad, hehe thanks Yoda :)   I wish to, let me put it that way :)
[08:36] <TSWoodV> kkathman: My bad.  You're accessing a Windows share via Samba, not sharing to a Windows box, right?
[08:37] <Schn> hone: faster than 2.6.10
[08:37] <yfir> anyone had any luck getting gmailfs to work?
[08:37] <Rebroad> yfir: i tried but failed
[08:37] <hone> Schn: really/
[08:37] <hone> Schn: what are the changes?
[08:37] <kkathman> TSWoodV  yes....just trying to move a file from a windows box on my local network from there to my linux box
[08:37] <yfir> Rebroad: me too. I wonder if it's something Google has changed on their end...
[08:37] <sig> yfir: use gmail-notify in repo's
[08:37] <Rebroad> yfir: Did you get "fusermount: old style mounting not supported"?
[08:37] <Reblended> kkat email?
[08:38] <Schn> hone: i tried with kanotix, both kernels, it boots aprox 3 secs faster with .11
[08:38] <TSWoodV> kkathman: Does your linux password match your Windows password?
[08:38] <Reblended> i've used AIM to move files...
[08:38] <hone> Schn: oh nice
[08:38] <kkathman> Reblended, email?
[08:38] <Reblended> windows with zonealarm can get stuffy
[08:38] <hone> Schn: I should compile a 2.6.11 kernel then
[08:38] <Schn> hone: lets see what happens with ubuntu
[08:38] <hone> Schn: ok
[08:38] <Reblended> kkathman: it can get so painful moving files with XP...
[08:38] <Rebroad> anyone know an easy way to set up "internet connection sharing" on ubuntu ?
[08:38] <Reblended> or get it to communicate with even another xp machine...
[08:38] <keffo> hmm. anyone knows what the iconname for 'unknown document
[08:39] <vessuvius> Will a  samba share show up for someone on OS X? Or will I need something special for those users?
[08:39] <eric__> Rebroad : shorewall howto ??
[08:39] <Reblended> I"ve use AIM to move files. lol
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: install firestarter]
[08:39] <Rebroad> eirc__: ta
[08:39] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: I tried firestarter, but it didn't offer a share option
[08:39] <Rebroad> eric__:a
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: it does here
[08:39] <kkathman> TSWoodV, this morning I did a chown on my htdocs directory from root. Im suspcious that this might have messed up the access
[08:39] <Rebroad> eric__: ta
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: one click and you have NAT
[08:39] <eric__> Rebroad : ?
[08:40] <kkathman> TSWoodV, I simply got tired of being blocked using Konqueror to move files around
[08:40] <Rebroad> eric__, thoreauputic: which is better? firestarter or shorewall?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: never tried shorewall
[08:40] <kiwnix> shorewall is more powerfull
[08:41] <vessuvius> does anyone here use anything besides bind for dns?
[08:41] <eric__> but vim-based ;)
[08:41] <Rebroad> kiwnix: well, they both use iptables, don't they?
[08:41] <whiskey_1> Reblended, no...this is a serious issue....if you get caught using linux (mostly gnu) and trying to create anything commercial without also distributing your intellectual improvements (source) for free...you will be in trouble.
[08:41] <kiwnix> Rebroad, yes, but shorewall is more configurable, exposes more iptables options
[08:42] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: only if you try to include GPL source code
[08:42] <Reblended> whiskey you are referring to exclusively programming... not flash fla's etc
[08:42] <whiskey_1> Reblended, you either pay with money or you pay with your intellectual improvements....get it
[08:42] <Reblended> got it
[08:42] <thoreauputic> whiskey_1: and only if you redistribute
[08:42] <Rebroad> kiwnix: ah. thanks
[08:42] <whiskey_1> thoreauputic, yes
[08:42] <frank__> Hey I just installed Ubuntu (AMD64) for the first time!
[08:42] <kiwnix> Reblended, but... firestarter is easyer
[08:42] <trygvebw-away> frank__, congrats :)
[08:43] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: you can use GPL apps, to create your commercial product
[08:43] <topyli> it depends on how complicated a setup you are trying to do. something like firestarter will make a nice iptables setup for any normal home lan
[08:43] <Reblended> whiskey so, THAT's why the linux companies have to offer source and services
[08:43] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: but you can't modify existing GPL products and re-sell them as commercial
[08:43] <LeeColleton> hone: I don't think the disk is labled (blank in properties), but I can specify a folder in /media
[08:43] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad, but then your product has to be GPL'ed too
[08:43] <Reblended> firestarter? can't find it... only flash firestarter
[08:43] <Rebroad> no.. only has to be GPLed if it is a modification of a GPL product
[08:43] <Reblended> Rebroad: I've heard of people selling Blender and saying it's a commercial 3D package
[08:44] <kiwnix> Reblended, 500 http://es.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages <- apt-cache policy firestarter
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: Oh?
[08:44] <Rebroad> is Blender a modification of an original GPL product? i.e. obtained through the GPL?
[08:44] <Reblended> whiskey_1 what about selling software under GNU and also giving the source?
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: You know PearPCvsCherryOS?
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Blender is GPL
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Reblended: firestarter is in universe
[08:44] <Reblended> tgx
[08:44] <Rebroad> because it's possible for products to be dual licensed - where there's a GPL version, and a non-GPL version that can be sold
[08:44] <trygvebw-away> Reblended: That's possible
[08:44] <frank__> Is it supposed to be possible to install any package from  debian testing/unstable?
[08:45] <kiwnix> for example QT has dual license
[08:45] <kkathman> frank__, theortetically, yes
[08:45] <Reblended> so, that's what makes GNU keep alive and shared... I still like it
[08:45] <frank__> in reality?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> frank__: no
[08:45] <trygvebw-away> frank__: yes, but packages from the ubuntu repos whihc includes most are recommended
[08:45] <kiwnix> Fracture, possible... but i think not recomended (You can trash your system)
[08:45] <eric__> hey I got a problem with apache server; I don't know why but php isn't working, I added a handler for php and added index.php to the list of indexes..  but still don't work..  and I couldn't find anything in the logs
[08:45] <kiwnix> mmm, frank_ sorry
[08:45] <kkathman> frank__, its like there may be differences occassionally, so it isnt an absolute yes
[08:45] <trygvebw-away> kiwnix, you mean frank__, right :P
[08:45] <thoreauputic> frank__: risky to use debian packages
[08:45] <frank__> ok
[08:46] <Reblended> white lightening_1: I have no programming knowledge to share (yet) but one day, I will contribute =]
[08:46] <beowuff> Is there a switch to synaptic to use ubuntu packages by default, and ONLY use debian if the ubuntu doesn't exist?
[08:46] <kkathman> thoreauputic, I havent had any probs with the few that I have done...why would there be probs...they are just deb packages
[08:46] <trygvebw-away> frank__, as long as you don't replace important system packages, all will be OK :)
[08:46] <trygvebw-away> kkathman, well, but deb packages are unpacked to being programs or libraries :)
[08:47] <Reblended> apt-get install shorewall ? and this is similar to zonealarm? (net access control and request)
[08:47] <thoreauputic> kkathman: because some ubuntu packages have extras and can cause issues, and because it can do weird stuff to updates
[08:47] <frank__> if I try to install a 32bit package, will it get the relevant 32bit libraries?
[08:47] <trygvebw-away> frank__: what do you mean?
[08:47] <Reblended> whiskey: question.. so what about offering a software for linux created on a windows machine? thus not offering source?
[08:47] <kkathman> thoreauputic, and thats why you check before you dpkg (dpkg by the way is Debian unpkg) hehe
[08:47] <kiwnix> Reblended, if you want zonealarm-like, firestarter is best suited
[08:47] <frank__> I have the AMD64 version
[08:47] <thoreauputic> kkathman: you can "pin" stuff
[08:47] <Rebroad> whiskey_1: for instance. you could write a commercial program in python (which is GPL) and sell it, but if you were to make modifications to python itself, then you would be required to distribute the modifications that you made to python.
[08:48] <mjr> Reblended, Rebroad, btw, Blender was originally a proprietary product, but the community bought it under the GPL for wasit 50 or 100k through donations
[08:48] <Reblended> kiwnix thx... so apt-get install firestarter
[08:48] <mjr> (dollars or euros, I forget)
[08:48] <kkathman> thoreauputic, lol there are ubuntu pkgs that dont install quite right even :)
[08:48] <thoreauputic> kkathman: I use debian -you don't need to explain dpkg to me :)
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> mjr,  yea - i recall itbeing comercial at one time.
[08:48] <frank__> And heard that to use the flash plugin, for example you need the 32bit version of firefox
[08:48] <Reblended> correct  euros, mjr
[08:48] <trygvebw-away> Reblended, Linux can run both closed and open-source programs, of coursse
[08:48] <kiwnix> Reblended, shorewall is more "tought and difficult"
[08:48] <Reblended> yep. but licensing was the question... l8r guys
[08:48] <Reblended> brb
[08:48] <Reblended> bl8rb
[08:48] <kkathman> thoreauputic, okie dokie :)
[08:49] <mjr> yes, 100k euros it seems
[08:49] <Rebroad> what is "blender"?
[08:49] <trygvebw-away> blender: 3D modeller
[08:49] <frank__> 3d ray tracing program i think
[08:50] <trygvebw-away> blender is like maya
[08:51] <LeeColleton> how do I relabel an existing VFAT volume?
[08:51] <Rebroad> I was right - what I said about writing commercial programs in python - wasn't i?
[08:51] <libben> how do i get this to play smoothly on ubuntu? http://www.enote.se/~honken/kittencannon.swf
[08:51] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: What did you say? Python programs can be commercial.
[08:51] <libben> i can play it... but it lags... and stutters
[08:51] <Rebroad> I said "for instance. you could write a commercial program in python (which is GPL) and sell it, but if you were to make modifications to python itself, then you would be required to distribute the modifications that you made to python."
[08:51] <libben> i have flashplayer-mozilla
[08:52] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: right :)
[08:52] <trygvebw-away> libben: It works fine here
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: the GPL of course doesn't stop you selling a program - you just need to make the source available
[08:53] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: yes, but only the source to your python modifications - the source to your program can remain private.
[08:53] <vessuvius> GPL is just intended to stop people hiding behind a weird convergence of copyright and trade secret law that converges in software
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: not if you want torelease it under the GPL
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: that's the point of the GPL
[08:54] <libben> trygvebw-away, well... it dont plays smoothly for me... and my system is 40 times to being able to play it smothly... so i really wonder what im missing.
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: you can release it under another license though
[08:54] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: if you release it under the GPL, then it's not commercial then.
[08:54] <vessuvius> copyright is supposed to give you a monopoly for a limited time as an incentive for you to make the work public... but if you only distribute binaries, you're not making the work public, and current law still lets you receive the monopoly benefits/
[08:55] <keffo> hmm. anyone knows what the iconname for 'unknown document' is? i mean.. i installed this icontheme-set, and if i name a file for example .blablabla the icon of .blablabla (since its not a know fileformat) gets very big.. just like it doesnt exsist
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: nothing stops you from selling a GPL program
[08:55] <lunitik> vessuvius: more clearly; it is intended to ensure someone doesn't steal your code just because you give it away...
[08:55] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: i know. but if it's GPL then people can share it without purchasing it
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: yes
[08:56] <lunitik> vessuvius: it is meant to ensure colaboration rather than allow others to keep their changes from others...
[08:56] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: so if you want to make money, you don't release it under GPL exclusively.
[08:56] <lunitik> vessuvius: Stallman's whole reasoning was because he hates that he couldn't fix a bug himself due to not having acess to sourcecode...
[08:56] <vessuvius> its meant to make you distribute the source so that you don't get monopoly profits without giving something to the public
[08:57] <lunitik> He wanted to ensure that wasn't possible again
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: well, Mandrake for instance, or Redhat charge for their GPL distros
[08:57] <frank__> Yeah they make money off support
[08:58] <Rebroad> thoreauputic: admin costs I guess.. but it's legal to download it from another source if it's GPL
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: but the idea is you are paying for the nice package and convenience
[08:58] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: yes
[08:58] <holycow> i love the gpl
[08:58] <lunitik> holycow: I like it in theory... although in practice, it is defended poorly
[08:58] <Rebroad> whereas Lindows OS, for instance, even though based on Linux would not be legal to download using edonkey without paying for it...
[08:58] <vessuvius> you don't have the right if someone is charging to use the software always though... making the source available for vieweing does not mean you make it available for running
[08:58] <frank__> Do the server distribution from redhat have proprietary configuration tools?
[08:59] <thoreauputic> Rebroad: Linspire *cough* *cough* charge for click-n-run downloads of stuff you can get with apt for nothing
[08:59] <libben> is there any bot in here that generates a log and paste all urls to it and updates it to an html?
[08:59] <vessuvius> Of course its tough with pirating etc
[08:59] <libben> urlbot in otherwords =)
[08:59] <holycow> the gpl idea was so far ahed of it's time, in retrospect rms is a genious
[08:59] <libben> would be nice and good... to be able to see all links in a channel.
[08:59] <holycow> what kind of computing world would it now be without gpl?
[08:59] <holycow> no source forge, no fresh meat
[08:59] <lunitik> Rebroad: its illegal for them to not offer the source code... they copyright the collection, not the parts
[08:59] <holycow> all of the internet run on proprietary software
[08:59] <holycow> man
[08:59] <lunitik> Rebroad: Fedora does the same.
[09:00] <lunitik> holycow: no
[09:00] <Shufla> hi
[09:00] <trygvebw-away> holycow: but msforge and msmeat :P
[09:00] <dnipro> hi
[09:00] <holycow> haha try
[09:00] <holycow> trygvebw-away, even
[09:00] <neighborlee> holycow, very expensive no doubt LOL..scary...
[09:00] <Rebroad> lunitik: "copyright the collection"? what do you mean?
[09:00] <lunitik> holycow: 70% of the internet uses at least one peice of open source code
[09:00] <holycow> neighborlee, *nod* very scary indeed
[09:00] <dnipro> first time here
[09:00] <Rebroad> erm.. tcpip is open source!
[09:00] <Rebroad> therefore 100% of the internet :>
[09:00] <guru3> lol
[09:00] <trygvebw-away> :P
[09:00] <lunitik> Rebroad: in Red Hat's case... you cannot copy the collection of all software... and you cannot copy there graphics...
[09:01] <dnipro> :-*
[09:01] <holycow> lunitik, yes, i should say that probably the net uses mostly stuff run on bsd licencing but regardless... it would be a very scary world indeed
[09:01] <dnipro> >:o
[09:01] <thoreauputic> holycow: apache is open-source >> 70%
[09:01] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I just said that
[09:01] <dnipro> anyone can help me for apache ?
[09:01] <Rebroad> lunitik: ah.. so it's not legal to edonkey redhat distros...?
[09:01] <trygvebw-away> dnipro, whats your problem?
[09:01] <thoreauputic> lunitik: oh, so sorry for repeating - please excuse my stupidity
[09:02] <lunitik> Rebroad: technically, no... not the RHEL software
[09:02] <dnipro> I would like to change the document root. I was previously on mandrake but on ubuntu it is not the same !
[09:02] <lunitik> thoreauputic: it is quiet alright... just dont' do it again  :P
[09:02] <guru3> dnipro: /etc/apache2/conf/ ?
[09:02] <lunitik> quite*
[09:02] <frank__> What is it about  RHEL that you cant distributr?
[09:02] <vessuvius> I keeping getting "sdb: assuming drive cache: write through" in the kernel... from my iPod I think
[09:02] <guru3> (or /etc/apache/conf/ if apache 1.x)
[09:02] <lunitik> frank__: the whole thing
[09:03] <dnipro> moment ...
[09:03] <lunitik> frank__: you can take the source code, compile it, and distribute that ....
[09:03] <InitMass> at which time will "final" be released?
[09:03] <frank__> Is it ALL opensource?
[09:03] <vessuvius> tomorrow, init
[09:03] <trygvebw-away> InitMass: As early ass possible, i guess :)
[09:03] <lunitik> InitMass: tomorrow
[09:03] <trygvebw-away> (tomorrow)
[09:03] <guru3> trygvebw-away: 'ass possible' ?
[09:03] <trygvebw-away> guru3: as possible, of course :P
[09:04] <guru3> ;)
[09:04] <InitMass> at 00 GMT?
[09:04] <lunitik> frank__: no... much is not in RHEL ... like Stronghold for instance... and their Application server... I do not believe you can get full source code for those
[09:04] <guru3> vessuvius: i read something about this once...
[09:04] <GhostFreeman> wtf
[09:04] <GhostFreeman> the new site looks ass uglu
[09:04] <Rebroad> i guess you could create a linux distro full of GPL software, but if you include one copyright picture with it, then the whole thing becomes copyright....?
[09:04] <GhostFreeman> ugly*
[09:04] <frank__> ok
[09:04] <dnipro> I am back is it on /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ?
[09:05] <guru3> dnipro: yeah
[09:05] <guru3> there should be, suprise, a DocumentRoot directive in there
[09:05] <holycow> back ... thoreauputic good point :)
[09:05] <frank__> On which debian is ubuntu based? testing or unstable?
[09:05] <guru3> but then also you must change the propertise of the new directory via a <Directory ...> directive
[09:05] <lunitik> GhostFreeman: it was voted on... should have taken part in the discussions ...
[09:05] <guru3> simply remaning the old one should suffice
[09:05] <zendog> can i ad the agnula repositories to a ubuntu warty system, without messing up too much?
[09:05] <trygvebw-away> frank: the part of it that is based on debian is based on unstable, i think
[09:06] <GhostFreeman> Oh god, my eyes :(
[09:06] <vessuvius> this whole install of software all I keep seeing every two or three lines "sdb: assuming drive cache: write through"
[09:06] <dnipro> and what do I have to change I didn't find the DocumentRoot I had ?
[09:06] <Rebroad> ubuntu hoary seems to be using a rather old gtk+ i notice...
[09:06] <frank__> So if I install a debian package, should I install unstable rather than testing?
[09:06] <trygvebw-away> Rebroad: Oh?
[09:06] <guru3> dnipro: sure there is no conf/ sub directory?
[09:06] <mikkel> err, what happened to the ubuntu-site?
[09:06] <trygvebw-away> frank__: For 3rd party packages it doesn't really matter, but choose unstable/SID if possible
[09:07] <trygvebw-away> mikkel: The design has been updated, and there is lots of visitors so it is slow
[09:07] <dcraven> I like the new website.
[09:07] <frank__> are there a lot of people running the AMD64 version?
[09:07] <zzyber> can i get comments on reiserfs vs ext3, i cant decide
[09:07] <mikkel> trygvebw-away: well, is it still running plone?
[09:07] <lunitik> frank__: i386 is more popular of course... but its used
[09:07] <trygvebw-away> mikkel: yes, but a much nicer skin :P
[09:07] <vessuvius> ewww
[09:08] <Rebroad> zzyber: I think reiserfs is better if you have lots of really small files, so i heard
[09:08] <mikkel> ah, okay :)
[09:08] <dcraven> zzyber, I just decided to use reiserfs in my last install. Usually I use ext3. Quite frankly I don't notice any difference.
[09:08] <guru3> zzyber: word is reiserfs is supposed to be better for smaller files
[09:08] <guru3> at least, i think that's what i remember
[09:08] <zzyber> Rebroad, yes a read that but what does many small files meen?
[09:08] <trygvebw-away> zzyber: i've always used reiserfs, and i think it's more stable
[09:09] <Rebroad> zzyber: no idea!
[09:09] <zzyber> dcraven, i have used both ext3 and reiserfs and i havent either noticed any diffrens
[09:09] <guru3> zzyber: snall files means < 4KB i think
[09:09] <beowuff> Where are the monthly wallpapers stored on the file system?
[09:09] <guru3> small too
[09:09] <trygvebw-away> zzyber: reiserfs' journal recovery/chkdsk is faster
[09:09] <trygvebw-away> beowuff: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar*
[09:10] <lunitik> beowuff: dpkg -L ubuntu-calendar
[09:10] <mikkel> is it harmful to use packages from the main debian repository?
[09:10] <frank__> is ntfs write useable?
[09:10] <beowuff> trygvebw-away: already installed. Just looking for them on the system.
[09:10] <lunitik> trygvebw-away: chances are he already has them installed...
[09:10] <vessuvius> It looks more like apple's site... the buttons I hate now
[09:10] <trygvebw-away> beowuff: They should be in the wallpaper selector already :)
[09:10] <zzyber> thanks for your input on reiserfs vs ext3.........hmm, how about reabillity?
[09:11] <thoreauputic> hmm...the screenshot thumbnails seem to have gone missing...
[09:11] <beowuff> trygvebw-away: not in the selector, but says installed...
[09:11] <libben> how to check ur ram mem info.. and no top
[09:11] <trygvebw-away> zzyber: /me has never had any problems with reiserfs at all :)
[09:11] <trygvebw-away> libben: ps? man ps
[09:12] <Rebroad> http://www.gurulabs.com/non-core-images/ext3-reiserfs-small-3-1.jpg
[09:12] <libben> i do mostly ps fuxa
[09:12] <Rebroad> http://www.gurulabs.com/non-core-images/ext3-reiserfs-small-1-1.jpg
[09:13] <lunitik> thoreauputic: you see: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/theopencd/ubuntu/img/ubuntu1_tn.jpg
[09:13] <neighborlee> anyone else getting ;Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7167, but
[09:13] <neighborlee> this library is version 1.0.7174 < error today from update ??
[09:13] <lunitik> thoreauputic: cuz they are showing up fine here on the site...
[09:13] <lunitik> http://maitri.ubuntu.com/theopencd/ubuntu/img/ubuntu1.png
[09:13] <zzyber> wounder why so many distributions have ext3 as default? Redhat for example.........why choose ext3 as default if reiserfs is proven better and more stable? No i have used reiserfs and i havent had any problems, now i have a brand new disk and are going for a fresh installation, i think i will go for ext3
[09:13] <lunitik> Still want to know why that has a Debian menu
[09:13] <Jefis> how to disable default pppoe connection && and startup on boot
[09:13] <Jefis> ?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> lunitik: looking now
[09:14] <Rebroad> ext3 is an extension to ext2, whereas reiserfs was written from scratch with journalling in mind, so I'd expect reiserfs to be better.... I'm using ext3 on my system :)
[09:14] <trygvebw-away> lunitik: search the forums :)
[09:14] <drewcore> hi. i installed hoary a few days ago, and then started using xfce and fluxbox... now, all of my gnome apps start really slowly (maybe two minutes to load... i can sudo users-admin and check my email before it ever opens). any ideas?
[09:14] <yfir> zzyber: ext3 is older and more established. both reiser and ext3 are rock solid, so don't worry too much about your choice.
[09:15] <Jefis> how to disable default pppoe connection && and startup on boot
[09:15] <yfir> zzyber: if you do ALOT of small file exchanges theoretically Reiser is the choice, not sure what that means though
[09:15] <zzyber> yfir, you are probably right, tough choice when there are no choice :-) Maybe i go for a FAT :-)
[09:15] <neighborlee> zzyber, one could take a que from linspire possibly..they ship  with reiser4 which they 'claim' is unbreakable and they charge for their OS..if its good enough for them somehow I trust it....I use reiser4 here in hoary and ic no problems although i've not been running it for long periods yet
[09:15] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I see the thumbnails on the link, but they don't show on the main site at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/screenshots/
[09:16] <lunitik> thoreauputic: I see them... strange
[09:17] <zzyber> neighborlee, thanks for that! Yes that was a good argument.
[09:17] <lunitik> trygvebw-away: I see nothing about it... other then questions about how to add it... not about why it is there...
[09:18] <yfir> zzyber: i've used both reiser and ext3 on this particular laptop since the warty RC. no problems at all, and no noticeable difference. just pick one :)
[09:18] <neighborlee> zzyber,np glad I could be of service ;-)
[09:18] <Rebroad> anyone know how to get around "/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':: undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'
[09:18] <Rebroad> " please??
[09:18] <thoreauputic> lunitik: even weirder - they render in dillo but not in firefox!
[09:18] <lunitik> thoreauputic: haha... I'm using Firefox here...
[09:19] <neighborlee> to me reiser seems much faster and the data tests seem to back that up...
[09:19] <jintxo> hey guys what's the better ftp server in hoary (with security in mind)? there's quite a few of them :-p
[09:19] <PLAYBOY^> Greetings to all can give me any good sites with music
[09:19] <lunitik> thoreauputic: that is strange though... I say... just kick your puter a few times  :P
[09:19] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I just tried both
[09:19] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I'm giving it a lecture and telling it to straighten up ;)
[09:20] <neighborlee> PLAYBOY^, http://www.heartseed.org/TheCarpenters
[09:20] <lunitik> :P
[09:20] <lunitik> thoreauputic: :P
[09:20] <PLAYBOY^> neighborlee thanks
[09:20] <neighborlee> PLAYBOY^, you betcha
[09:20] <whiskey_1> hey neighborlee still doing that heartseed thing
[09:20] <lunitik> PLAYBOY^: shoutcast.com
[09:20] <whiskey_1> you still hung up on them Carpenters
 8 utc is planned [release date]
[09:21] <Shufla> re
[09:22] <whiskey_1> neighborlee, how is your game coming along
[09:22] <beowuff> I'm surprised all the ubuntu monthly wallpapers have mostly nude people on them... I thought there'd be more variety...
[09:22] <Shufla> beowuff: don't you know, that linux is sexy? :D
[09:23] <guru3> beowuff: lol
[09:23] <beowuff> Shufla, yes, but how am I to explain that to my girlfriend?
[09:23] <neighborlee> whiskey_1, its going very well thx..
[09:24] <whiskey_1> neighborlee, hey glad to hear that...
[09:24] <[Phaedrus] > hehe.... beowuff
[09:24] <[Phaedrus] > she questions you about a wallpaper?
[09:24] <beowuff> Phaedrus, Um... yes... she's a little bit self concious
[09:24] <Shufla> beowuff: huh. don't you know, that linux zealots do not have g-f? :>
[09:24] <Shufla> brb
[09:25] <[Phaedrus] > she sounds like a keeper beowuff
[09:25] <CarlK> what is the apt-cache command to show me what provides nsupdate?
[09:25] <thoreauputic> lunitik: bizarre - dillo and firefox are giving me different default renderings for ubuntulinux.org (picture in dillo, none in firefox...) :/
[09:25] <eric__> I have a really really weird issue with the apache/php server in ubuntu, php isn't verbose at all !  I don't know what
[09:25] <neighborlee> whiskey_1, long road but someone must do it <wink>
[09:25] <whiskey_1> neighborlee, that is right
[09:25] <eric__> what's the problem, in warty it was all working, now I transpose to hoary and nothing works :(
[09:25] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe internet connection & configuration
[09:25] <beowuff> Phaedrus, She actually said something to the effect of "If your going to have a mostly nude girl on your screen, I'd prefer it was me."
[09:25] <CarlK> according to http://linux.yyz.us/nsupdate, "you will need to install both the bind (for dnssec-keygen) and bind-utils (for nsupdate)" but bind-utils didn't seem to do it for me
[09:26] <Bazzi-> beowuff then make it so.
[09:26] <[Phaedrus] > beowuff, perfect... tell me you jumped at the chance
[09:26] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe internet connection & configuration
[09:26] <Jefis> How to disable automatic pppoe internet connection & configuration
[09:26] <lunitik> thoreauputic: you have images from outside sites or whatever turned off in Firefox?
[09:26] <nooneyouknow> http://www.trash80.net/
[09:26] <CarlK> no way
[09:26] <nooneyouknow> good site with music PLAYBOY^
[09:26] <libben> any graphical way to unpack rar?
[09:26] <lunitik> thoreauputic: cuz they aren't coming directly from ubuntulinux.org ...
[09:26] <thoreauputic> lunitik: aha - good thinking! I probably do - checking
[09:27] <beowuff> I actually was hoping for a way to mix the pictures up a bit. That's why I was looking forward to monthly pics... But I'll have to look for another way now. Besides, I get to see her IRL. Why would I want to put up a pic?
[09:27] <nooneyouknow> PLAYBOY^, you heard of darwinia? its the bloke wo does the music.
[09:27] <PLAYBOY^> yea
[09:27] <nooneyouknow> you should listen to the trusk stuff. its fucking great. im listening to it now
[09:27] <PLAYBOY^> :)
[09:27] <PLAYBOY^> ok
[09:28] <[Phaedrus] > beowuff: hope someone puts up some wallpapers for you
[09:28] <Shufla> funny...
[09:28] <Shufla> I've got mouse with clickable wheel
[09:28] <Shufla> plugged into PS/2
[09:28] <trygvebw-away> Shufla: haven't everyone got one?
[09:28] <trygvebw-away> :P
[09:28] <Shufla> wheel (but 4/5) works well, but 3rd one do not work...
[09:28] <trygvebw-away> O_o
[09:28] <libben> should i install mplayer also? even though i can play the most formats with totem?
[09:28] <thoreauputic> lunitik: yup - that was it - thanks for the tip: i do that to block annoying ads on some sites :)
[09:28] <beowuff> Phaedrus, I wonder how hard it would be to port ubuntu's monthly pics to make beowuff's monthly pics...
[09:28] <libben> i wanted to play a vob file..
[09:28] <randy> Hello all.
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> hello.
[09:29] <thoreauputic> lunitik: firefox is now behaving itself ;-)
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> does anyone know how to set the permissions on a reiferfs partition so a user can write to it?
[09:29] <lunitik> thoreauputic: haha... you know there is an AdBlocker extension?
[09:29] <trygvebw-away> nooneyouknow, add user to the permissions
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> it doesnt say in the fstab or mount man and i cant seem to do it.
[09:29] <nooneyouknow> really?
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> that only seems to let me read it.
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> ah, wait.
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> maybe ive done something really dumb.
[09:30] <nooneyouknow> cheers trygvebw-away
[09:30] <thoreauputic> lunitik: yeah, I have that too - and the flash block extension - i just wasn't remembering the option for pictures
[09:30] <trygvebw-away> :)
[09:30] <[Phaedrus] > beowuff: i havent even seen the monthly pics... i am trying to find them as we speak
[09:30] <Insanitary> Hi. I have a problem. I donwloaded the haory live CD, and well...i have a lucent WinModem, and it does not seem to pick up my modem
[09:31] <Insanitary> Is there an external app that may fix tis?
[09:31] <randy> In Redhat I had a /etc/rc.d/init.d/rc.local startup script that ran stuff at boot.  How would I do this in Ubuntu (Hoary Hedgehog)?  I can't see that the dir exists.
[09:31] <SirFred> Hello.
[09:31] <thoreauputic> lunitik: I used to use a hosts file with bad guys redirected to <IP_ADDRESS> as well - but I don't bother any more
[09:31] <SirFred> Is k3b supported here or should I better ask in #kubuntu ?
[09:31] <e_machinist> Anyone else having trouble with the Ubuntu website?
[09:31] <trygvebw-away> SirFred: i use k3b
[09:31] <SirFred> Perhaps it's not a k3b problem, anyway.
[09:32] <trygvebw-away> e_machinist, it's design is being updated and there is a lot of load
[09:32] <trygvebw-away> i can access it fine, though.
[09:32] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: My problem is that it gets stuck on the "Scanning for CD devices"
[09:32] <trygvebw-away> SirFred: Are you running it as root or normal user
[09:32] <e_machinist> trygvebw-away, hmm... the new website doesn't seem to be optimized for standards compliant browsers like Opera yet.
[09:32] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: The process got deeply locked in kernel. D state.
[09:32] <zzyber> i found a good site on reiserfs vs ext3 thing! http://staff.osuosl.org/~kveton/fs/
[09:32] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: As normal user.
[09:33] <lunitik> http://channels.debian.net/paste/  <-- someone should do something like this for #ubuntu ... pretty cool... and notifies the channel of what they pasted... so what happened yesturday (having to go find the dudes paste myself) doesn't happen anymore...
[09:33] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: Then I tried as root, but a pair of k3b processes were locked in the kernel yet.
[09:33] <SirFred> I mean where already locked in kernel.
[09:33] <trygvebw-away> e_machinist, oh? i can access it all fine
[09:33] <trygvebw-away> with opera and firefox
[09:33] <zzyber> seems that reiserfs should be the choice and its a lot of development there,
[09:33] <beowuff> I did a search in synaptic for ubuntu. Came up with ubuntu calander and each individual month. When installed, it put them under /usr/share/backgrounds.
[09:34] <nakata> hmm, amarok doesn't seem to be able to play mp3s ... am i missing something?
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> ubuntu release time: http://www.distrotalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=404
[09:34] <libben> any graphical way to unpack rar alot of rar files?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: it is compliant - i checked it with dillo
[09:34] <e_machinist> trygvebw-away, I can access it, there are some formatting problems and some gateway problems though.
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> nakata, #kubuntu, but you need to install coedecs
[09:34] <[Phaedrus] > ah... cool.. thanks
[09:34] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: Does it works fine for you?
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> e_machinist, weird...
[09:34] <trygvebw-away> SirFred, yes
[09:34] <nakata> trygvebw-away: sure i do.  ok.
[09:35] <SirFred> trygvebw-away: Are you on a k7 kernel or a i686 one.
[09:35] <e_machinist> ahh, I resolved it... no actually just clearing the cache has decided that it would like to run now.
[09:35] <e_machinist> heh.
[09:35] <trygvebw-away> SirFred: i'm on a i686 kernel, 2.6.10-4
[09:35] <Shufla> hurray! that was KVM again :>
[09:35] <libben> can i make if i install rar... will the file roller auto handles unpack rar files?
[09:35] <SirFred> Perhaps I should downgrade, I'm on a 2.6.10-5-k7
[09:36] <libben> lol... that sentence was really weird and shitty =)
[09:36] <lunitik> trygvebw-away-fo: you're getting way to excited... it'll just be a simple apt-get dist-upgrade... maybe a couple packages  :/
[09:36] <SirFred> I'm going to restart with an older one, I think it's a kernel problem, or hald or something at this level.
[09:36] <beowuff> Apparently my gfriend isn't the only one... http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-December/001304.html
[09:36] <libben> I have alots of rar... and ive installed rar apt-get install rar.... file roller... will that handle unpacking the rar then?
[09:36] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how i can check how much ram i have?
[09:36] <thoreauputic> e_machinist: it gets a tick from dillo - which is avery pedantic browser :)
[09:36] <libben> top oris_wolfbane
[09:37] <[Phaedrus] > yeah i just saw that post beowuff :)
[09:37] <thoreauputic> oris_wolfbane:  cat /proc/meminfo
[09:37] <kakalto> when upgrading to hoary, should I replace my bash.bashrc configuration file?
[09:37] <libben> oris_wolfbane,  cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
[09:37] <SirFred> lunitik: What's that?
[09:38] <kakalto> new version
[09:38] <kakalto> anyone?
[09:38] <lunitik> SirFred: next release... will sync back up with Sid... so I get all the new stuff I've been waiting on since freeze
[09:38] <lunitik> freezes suck
[09:38] <SirFred> lunitik: Well, I think it's the only way to stabilize ubuntu.
[09:38] <lunitik> actually, Grumpy = devel repo ... Breezy = next release
[09:38] <oris_wolfbane> thoreauputic, libben, thanxs
[09:38] <vessuvius> what's the easiest way to get java up and running?
[09:39] <kakalto> vessuvius, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:39] <lunitik> SirFred: I used Sid for 3 1/2 years... rarely drastic issues...
[09:39] <encKe`> check this out for java instructs ------------->http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[09:39] <SirFred> lunitik: Yes, but think about minor bugs.
[09:39] <encKe`> lol ...im slowww
[09:39] <vessuvius> thnx
[09:39] <kakalto> so, when upgrading to hoary, should I replace my bash.bashrc configuration file?
[09:39] <kakalto> or keep my current
[09:39] <lunitik> SirFred: If I don't notice them... they don't really exist  :)
[09:40] <e_machinist> Sid has been around for that long? thats a long time.
[09:40] <SirFred> lunitik: A moving target on anoter moving target
[09:40] <lunitik> SirFred: and the combination of apt-listbugs and hold avoids other issues
[09:40] <SirFred> lunitik: I'm not as lucky as you. I have a lot of problems with my Duron machine.
[09:40] <thoreauputic> kakalto: why replace it?
[09:40] <kakalto> thoreauputic, it's asking me
[09:41] <kakalto> I'm just wondering if the hoary bash.bashrc is any different from the warty?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> kakalto: ah I see - probably a change to bash completion or something - I'd say change it then
[09:41] <kakalto> then add my java back in?
[09:41] <lunitik> SirFred: how much of that have you filed?
[09:41] <kakalto> after
[09:41] <SirFred> lunitik: Most of them.
[09:42] <lunitik> SirFred: cuz if you haven't filed any with a decent priority, they are unlikely to be fixed by tomorrow
[09:42] <thoreauputic> kakalto: ah woops - you want to keep tha java stuff, yeah
[09:42] <SirFred> lunitik: But there was no solution for some of them, perhaps it's a hardware fail.
[09:42] <daven> kakalto: isn't there an option to compare them?
[09:42] <libben> I have alots of rar... and ive installed rar apt-get install rar.... file roller... will that handle unpacking the rar then?
[09:42] <kakalto> yeah, but I don't know how to use compare
[09:42] <SirFred> lunitik: On the other way, my pentium III machine works really fine on ubuntu
[09:42] <icebalm> why does ubuntu have the latest nvidia drivers but the fglrx drivers are 3 months old?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> libben: have you tried?
[09:43] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I don't know how compare works
[09:43] <libben> well... ive just opened the one of the files.. and it dident complained...
[09:43] <libben> but the size only says 2 gb..
[09:43] <lunitik> libben: it says it can use unrar (its suggested, thus can be used)
[09:43] <WeirdAl> woot
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kakalto: just do a back up of your old file then
[09:43] <kakalto> ahk
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Can someone recommend an HTML IDE that isn't vim?
[09:43] <kakalto> where's bash.bashrc kept?
[09:43] <thoreauputic> kakalto: you can always swap them that way
[09:43] <WeirdAl> Something in wot I can do HTML and PHP in a nice way.
[09:43] <icebalm> WeirdAl: nano
[09:43] <lunitik> SirFred: yeah... then probably hardware issues
[09:44] <libben> but why does it say my .iso in there is 2 gb =) ? when all files are around 4.4 gb
[09:44] <thoreauputic> kakalto: /etc
[09:44] <WeirdAl> _
[09:44] <kakalto> thanks
[09:44] <PLAYBOY^> nooneyouknow, can you give me this site I has made restart and you have forgotten it this darwinia
[09:45] <nooneyouknow> http://www.trash80.net
[09:45] <PLAYBOY^> ok
[09:45] <nooneyouknow> i prefer the trusk stuff, but his electronic shit is real good to.
[09:46] <thoreauputic> libben: the ISO will expand to 4gig or so
[09:46] <thoreauputic> libben: actually less I think
[09:46] <e_machinist> Anyone that uses Xfce know how to add items to the menus such as Xfce>System> various stuff.
[09:47] <libben> thoreauputic, any program to burn a dvd.iso?
[09:47] <e_machinist> I can't figure it out, tried the menu editor... that doesn't seem to have the right stuff.
[09:47] <nooneyouknow> if you like that you should check out ( http://www.8bitpeoples.com/_artist_nfo/nfo_i_cactus.html )
[09:47] <nooneyouknow> his names khonner and hes just been signed to warp.
[09:47] <drspin> I upgraded to hoary yesterday -- I get higher framerates on my graphics :) YAY! but games are jerky...
[09:47] <thoreauputic> libben: ? an ISO is an ISO as far as I know
[09:47] <libben> i coulde burn iso with just right klick the file and write to disc when ive inserted a blank dvdr?
[09:47] <nooneyouknow> the i,cactus ep is on archive.org
[09:47] <drspin> my DMA is on X69 for the HD and X66 for the CD drives
[09:48] <thoreauputic> libben: I don't have a DVD but I guess so
[09:48] <cevans> Whe I start audacity, all of the UI text is blank. Does anyone know what would cause this? (running hoary)
[09:48] <drspin> guess one of my CD's is blacklisted for DMA :(
[09:48] <drspin> but even still...
[09:48] <libben> so i dont need gnome baker ?
[09:48] <cevans> s/Whe/When/
[09:49] <thoreauputic> libben: gnome baker is nice to have....
[09:49] <thoreauputic> libben: it does music and stuff
[09:49] <drspin> I tried Gnome Baker this morning -- it's slow --
[09:49] <drspin> but it beats having to install k3B :/
[09:49] <SirFred> Well, k3b works fine on 2.6.10-1-k7
[09:50] <e_machinist> k3b is icky.
[09:50] <thoreauputic> drspin: you can configure speed - did you try it?
[09:50] <kbrooks> ping
[09:50] <libben> I mostly burn dvd.img and dvd.iso's and it would be nice to burn some music cds.... no mp3... music cds for stereos....
[09:50] <linuxboy> whats the best/correct way to upgrade to hoary ?
[09:50] <drspin> thoreauputic: I meant the converting of files is slow --
[09:50] <libben> wich one to prefer? k3b or gnome baker?
[09:51] <tritium> libben, there's also graveman
[09:51] <drspin> linuxboy: follow the instrctions on the Wiki
[09:51] <libben> tritium, but wich one to prefer?
[09:51] <e_machinist> heh, why don't you give him the link drspin.
[09:51] <e_machinist> haha.
[09:51] <tritium> libben, I use graveman.  k3b can't burn a music CD from mp3s
[09:52] <drspin> because simply typing upgrade hoary in the search box reveals MORE than enough information...
[09:52] <sysrq> tritium: yes it can
[09:52] <tritium> sysrq, not by itself.
[09:52] <e_machinist> drspin, I was being sarcastic... sorry you couldn't be there for it.
[09:52] <libben> but gnome baker can?
[09:52] <drspin> tritium: the default Ubuntu install of k3b allows burnin of audio cd's from mp3
[09:52] <sysrq> tritium: graveman doesn't do it by itself either, it's a frontend just as k3b is
[09:53] <SirFred> tritium: I can drag mp3 files on k3b to make an audio CD.
[09:53] <SirFred> tritium: What do you mean with "not by itself" ?
[09:53] <drspin> e_machinist: LOL a little slow this morning
[09:53] <e_machinist> drspin, no prob, happens.
[09:53] <drspin> so anyone wanna help me figure out some of these dmesg errors?
[09:53] <icebalm> why does ubuntu have the latest nvidia drivers but the fglrx drivers are 3 months old?
[09:53] <libben> why dont ubuntu has the newest newest =) driver.
[09:53] <libben> its 71.77 now
[09:53] <tritium> k3b couldn't do it last week.  perhaps something has recently changed
[09:54] <sysrq> I did it several months ago with k3b
[09:54] <SirFred> tritium: Just make a new audio CD, and drag mp3 files on the project.
[09:54] <linuxboy> drspin: searching for "upgrade hoary" un the wiki search bring..... Nothing
[09:54] <SirFred> tritium: I've made it months ago
[09:55] <e_machinist> linuxboy, heh, you are right... I just assumed drspin would be correct.
[09:55] <linuxboy> e_machinist: ;)
[09:55] <tritium> Well, I tried to create a new audio CD, added some mp3s, and k3b didn't know what to do with them.
[09:55] <kent> Nice to see that coaster has working packages for ubuntu now.  It cant burn audio yet, but that will come some time in the future.. i hope :)
[09:56] <SirFred> tritium: Extrange
[09:56] <daven> linuxboy: you have to use the search in the top-right ;-) you can get to that from any page
[09:56] <daven> linuxboy: must admit i just tried it as well :) i did the upgrade and was suddenly worried i'd not done it the best way ;)
[09:57] <trygvebw> tritium, you have all codecs, right?
[09:57] <e_machinist> except in opera, which seems to not format that coerrectly.
[09:57] <tritium> trygvebw, yeah, I'm not worried about it.  Thanks, though.
[09:57] <drspin> OMG why is everything so slow??
[09:57] <aquarius> What should I put in /etc/network/interfaces if I want to bring an interface up and have it get an IP from me by DHCP, rather than me getting an IP from it?
[09:57] <linuxboy> daven: i just wanna keep my pc tidy when i upgrade, like ive just installed a fresh hoary
[09:57] <linuxboy> daven: no missing things
[09:58] <LinuxJones> aquarius, you can do that in network-admin
[09:58] <drspin> linuxboy: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:58] <tritium> aquarius, iface eth0 inet dhcp, for example
[09:58] <tritium> or man interfaces
[09:58] <trygvebw> linuxboy: it won't be messed up
[09:58] <daven> linuxboy: well, i upgraded warty and after a reboot to pick everything up it was fine.  you want the bit in drspin's link with the apt-get intsructions
[09:58] <aquarius> tritium, oh! I thought that meant "bring the interface up and get a dhcp address for it", not "bring it up and let it get one from *me*".
[09:58] <daven> trygvebw: are there any differences doing up with apt-get to installing from scratch?
[09:59] <linuxboy> trygvebw: i just dont want packages to be missed...
[09:59] <Breber> hi all...
[09:59] <tritium> aquarius, I mis-read your question.  See the man page for interfaces
[09:59] <trygvebw> daven: Not very many. You won't know what the standards are, but...
[09:59] <trygvebw> linuxboy: They won't be :)
[09:59] <Breber> anyone here using ubuntu with a PowerBook?
[09:59] <LinuxJones> daven, upgrade should work just fine
[10:00] <linuxboy> also, how much free hard disk space do i need for it ?
[10:00] <linuxboy> and, do i need to kill the backports ?
[10:00] <daven> trygvebw, linuxboy: apt-get hasn't let me down yet.  i've got pretty much hooked on debian since trying redhat, suse and others. i'm using ubuntu for my normal comp
[10:00] <trygvebw> linuxboy: about 300mb more
[10:00] <trygvebw> daven: okey
[10:00] <aquarius> tritium: I couldn't see anything in interfaces(5) about it :(
[10:00] <daven> linuxjones: cheers - it did indeed :)
[10:01] <LinuxJones> :)
[10:01] <tritium> aquarius, you can specify the IP address you want in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <linuxboy> trygvebw: doesnt it need space to do the upgrade? to unzip and stuff ?
[10:01] <e_machinist> unzip? ack, such a horrible word... unpack sounds better.
[10:01] <trygvebw> linuxboy: how much free space do you have?
[10:01] <e_machinist> heh.
[10:01] <linuxboy> trygvebw: 1.1gig
[10:01] <beowuff> exit
[10:01] <aquarius> tritium, I know I can specify it as static, but the thing on the other end is expecting to get a dhcp address from me, and I don't know what I have to put in my /e/n/interfaces to enable that.
[10:01] <e_machinist> 1.1gig isn't much free space.
[10:02] <trygvebw> but AFAIK it's enough
[10:02] <AndyR> evening all
[10:02] <trygvebw> just do a apt-get clean before upgrading
[10:02] <linuxboy> ill *try* clear some
[10:02] <trygvebw> AndyR, hello
[10:02] <tritium> aquarius, the "thing" on the other end?  If you use dhcp, you don't need to specify the address.
[10:03] <dcraven> Man I hate linux...
[10:03] <dcraven> :)
[10:03] <aquarius> tritium, so the dhcp server doesn't need to mention its end of the interface in /e/n/interfaces at all?
[10:03] <kent> aquarius, is the problem that you want the other computer to get a ip etc  from dhcp on your computer? that way you have to configure a dhcp server on your computer..
[10:03] <Shufla> re
[10:04] <drspin> never in my life has Gaim crashed on me and it just did...   Are you trying to setup a server?
[10:04] <aquarius> kent, yes. But do I not have to mention something about the interface on my computer in /ec/network/interfaces?
[10:04] <cikilin> on ubuntu where can u see gnome?
[10:04] <trygvebw> cikilin, what do you mean?
[10:04] <aquarius> tritium, sort of. the "thing" on the other end is a Zaurus, which connects by USB using usbnet.
[10:04] <e_machinist> hmm.
[10:04] <Shufla> cikilin, that's joke...?
[10:05] <cikilin> no
[10:05] <trygvebw> gnome is the environment. desktop, menus, bars, panels etc.
[10:05] <cikilin> i wanna download some music for hours
[10:05] <thoreauputic> cikilin: gnome is in your face as soon as you boot :0
[10:05] <Shufla> cikilin, AFAIR you've got to run ubuntu.
[10:05] <kent> aquarius, I have never setup a dhcp-server, but I dont think you do that in /etc/network/interfaces, that file is for your local cards. I think uoi have to look in to configuring a dhcp server, and that is done some where else..
[10:05] <cikilin> and i cant get the point
[10:05] <LinuxJones> cikilin, you have a black console screen ?
[10:05] <trygvebw> cikilin: GNOME is what you get when you're done starting Ubuntu
[10:05] <aquarius> kent: ok. I'm getting there with it anyway, I think. Cheers for the pointers!
[10:06] <cikilin> yes
[10:06] <cikilin> k
[10:06] <cikilin> i wanna download some music for hours
[10:06] <cikilin> how i do that?
[10:06] <tritium> aquarius, you don't setup dhcp there.  You'd install a separate package.
[10:06] <tritium> However, using usbnet with a Zaurus doesn't require a dhcp server.
[10:06] <LinuxJones> cikilin, did you install warty or hoary ?
[10:06] <thoreauputic> cikilin: are you saying you have no graphical user interface?
[10:07] <libben> so what was the conclusion fellas? k3b or gnome baker?
[10:07] <cikilin> no warty
[10:07] <cikilin> what is that?
[10:07] <trygvebw> libben: gnomebaker :P
[10:07] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you can't start gnome? Or what?
[10:07] <Shufla> argh :(
[10:07] <cikilin> started
[10:08] <Shufla> next f*cked applet written for ie and ffox dies :(
[10:08] <ish> is it possibly to update to the amd64 release without doing a fresh install (from i386)
[10:08] <daven> cikilin: why do you want to know about gnome?
[10:08] <cikilin> but warty?
[10:08] <kent> libben, graveman and gnomebaker both works well for me.  k3b does not look so nice with gnome, but it works..
[10:08] <thoreauputic> cikilin: what are you trying to do?
[10:08] <Shufla> ish, yes. but do not do it @ home...
[10:08] <thoreauputic> cikilin: it's not clear at all what your problem is
[10:08] <cikilin> to download some mp3
[10:08] <libben> so gnome baker it is... allthough i have a dvd.iso and it should work to burn with nautilius-cd-burner
[10:09] <LinuxJones> cikilin, ok login to Ubuntu in the console screen, and type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (rnter your user passoword when prompted) When it asks for a video card driver to use select vesa. You can probably accept the defaults for everyting else. Then re-boot
[10:09] <thoreauputic> cikilin: so fire up your browser and download them...
[10:09] <aquarius> tritium: I've installed udhcpd, and told it to listen on usb0. usb0 shows in ifconfig -a. this should mean that the thing connected to the other end of usb0 can get a dhcp address from me?
[10:09] <AndyR> has hoary gone stable yet?
[10:09] <tritium> aquarius, you don't need a server.  I'm going to find a URL for you.  Give me a minute...
[10:09] <thoreauputic> AndyR: no, it's still wobbling...;)
[10:09] <Shufla> AndyR, tommorow is the Release Day
[10:10] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, X is not configured on cikilin's system yet
[10:10] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: that's what I was trying to find out - thanks
[10:10] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, :)
[10:11] <drewcore> any idea why my gnome apps are starting so slow?
[10:11] <AndyR> dvd image with both live and install is cool
[10:11] <cikilin> how i install warty?
[10:12] <cikilin> or hoary?
[10:12] <libben> download horay cd image
[10:12] <daven> cikilin: warty and hoary are different versions of ubuntu.
[10:12] <libben> and install it from booting the cd on bootup
[10:12] <cikilin> from?
[10:12] <daven> cikilin: if you just want to download music, you don't need ubuntu
[10:12] <daven> cikilin: (necessarily)
[10:12] <libben> from www.ubuntulinux.com
[10:12] <delire> has there been any talk of ubuntu having it's own unique icon set? speaking from a strictly aesthetic perspective, i think the default (and ancient) gnome icons hold the look of Ubuntu back a little. i'd be interested to know how many Ubuntu users never touch the default icon set.
[10:13] <thoreauputic> cikilin: if you type ` cat /etc/issue ` what does it say/
[10:13] <Shufla> cikilin, that's funny. you're using xchat and you asking such questions...
[10:13] <thoreauputic> delire: the "home" icon has been replaced here - I can't bear it
[10:14] <delire> thoreauputic: it must be about 6 years old that icon. i wonder why it's lived so long?
[10:14] <cikilin> it is saying that i have warty
[10:14] <delire> thoreauputic: a house for an old and tired gnome ;)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> delire: there are a few svg icons buried somewhere that I found...
[10:14] <thoreauputic> delire: I agree
[10:14] <fruggle> are there any other ubuntu channels out there?
[10:15] <daven> cikilin: do you have a picture of a foot in the top-left of your screen?
[10:15] <Shufla> fruggle, #kubuntu for kubuntu
[10:15] <delire> thoreauputic: hmm i think ubuntu should get a little brave, make a few executive decisions in that department. art.gnome.org has some fine contenders
[10:15] <cikilin> yes
[10:15] <thoreauputic> fruggle: yes, #kubuntu, #ubuntu-devel #ubuntu-motu and several other languages as well
[10:15] <fruggle> Shufla: Kbuntu urgs  ;)
[10:15] <cikilin> why?
[10:15] <daven> cikilin: because that means you're probably installed and working ok
[10:16] <Shufla> fruggle, shufla: error: `urgs' Syntax error...
[10:16] <fruggle> thoreauputic: thx
[10:16] <daven> cikilin: i think you might be ready to download music.  have you tried playing a CD to see if it works?
[10:16] <fruggle> Shufla: i just dont like the K in front of the untu ;)
[10:16] <cikilin> i tried and it must be ripper
[10:16] <cikilin> to listen it
[10:17] <Shufla> fruggle, ah... well. that's nice, that so young ubuntu has a fork with kde.
[10:17] <daven> cikilin: i don't understand what you mean.  what happened when you tried to play a cd?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> cikilin: what is your language?
[10:17] <gabaug> what's the best program for keeping track of time spent on projects?
[10:17] <cikilin> i cant hear it
[10:17] <cikilin> i dont know why
[10:17] <Shufla> besides i've earned my first developer money using WindowMaker :>
[10:18] <LinuxJones> Shufla, that's not a fork
[10:18] <cikilin> the cd from cdrom was playing but not hearing
[10:18] <Shufla> gabaug, commercial
[10:18] <fruggle> Shufla: yea many people out there seem to like it very much ... however i dont ;)
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: i'm sorry but i haven't tried to play music on my machine
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: but now we know that you tried to play a cd and the sound didn't work, maybe somebody can help
[10:18] <Shufla> LinuxJones, it's only my low knowledge of english. flavour?
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: have you definitely got speakers plugged in and switched on?
[10:18] <kent> cikilin, you dont hear any sound when playing files? Try to open the mixer (and show all mixers) and raise them all. A lot of times there is problems with the mixer lowering some of the mixers..  :(
[10:18] <Shufla> fruggle, you've got choice. that's good.
[10:18] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you probably need digital output with xmms or beep media player
[10:18] <cikilin> yesm :0
[10:18] <cikilin> :)
[10:18] <daven> cikilin: ;-)
[10:18] <gabaug> Shufla: is that the name or a program or a though-fragment?
[10:19] <cikilin> if i put a cd into cd rom without ripper can hear
[10:19] <daven> cikilin: and you're trying to rip a CD into MP3s?
[10:19] <thoreauputic> cikilin: OK you can hear the CD then?
[10:19] <Shufla> gabaug, i think, that many good project planners are commercial.
[10:19] <cikilin> yes
[10:20] <gabaug> Shufla: yeah, well, I'm asking in #ubuntu hoping to hear about some good FOSS oens
[10:20] <Shufla> gabaug, try freshmeat for web based and java based.
[10:20] <cikilin> this is my second day in linux-ubuntu
[10:21] <thoreauputic> cikilin: the default ripper (sound juicer) will make ogg files - but to make mp3 you need other programs/libraries
[10:21] <cikilin> how do that?
[10:21] <daven> cikilin: ogg files are just as good as mp3s if you only want to play the  music on your computer.
[10:22] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you need to enable the universe repository and install something like grip and lame
[10:22] <thoreauputic> actually might need multiverse for that as well
[10:22] <daven> thoreauputic: i'll bow to you here and listen - i only normally use linux as a server so i've not used it much for sound :)
[10:22] <LinuxJones> cikilin, what's language do you speak ?
[10:22] <thoreauputic> daven: the difficulty is language I think (hope)
[10:23] <cikilin> romanian
[10:23] <daven> thoreauputic: 100% certain
[10:23] <daven> cikilin: it's great that you're trying ubuntu - i'm sure you'll like it!
[10:23] <LinuxJones> cikilin, I don't know if there is a Romanian irc channel that might be of some help
[10:23] <cikilin> look
[10:23] <Funraiser> can we make audio CDs with K3b?
[10:23] <cikilin> where is universe repository?
[10:23] <dcraven_> Okay, I like Linux again.
[10:24] <LinuxJones> cikilin, let me get you a link
[10:24] <delire> dcraven: ;)
[10:24] <cikilin> k
[10:24] <ompaul> dcraven, so you thought you didn't but that was a mistake :)
[10:24] <Funraiser> Is it possible to make audio CDs with K3b?
[10:24] <dcraven_> ompaul, yeah, my wireless was actin' crazy on me.
[10:24] <thoreauputic> cikilin: if you read and understand this it will help >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:24] <LinuxJones> cikilin, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[10:24] <dcraven_> Seems to be working again now.
[10:25] <delire> Funraiser: yes
[10:25] <Funraiser> 100% sure?
[10:25] <Funraiser> from mp3 for example?
[10:25] <ompaul> dcraven_, that  is not nice
[10:25] <Shufla> no more beer
[10:25] <Shufla> :(
[10:25] <falcon3> what program should i use to print a dvd cover to its right size?
[10:25] <delire> Funraiser: not sure about that. there will be a utility for that somewhere.
[10:25] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I did it with k3b about a year ago.
[10:25] <kakalto> Guys, I just upgraded from warty to hoary, and it screwed up X
[10:25] <thoreauputic> falcon3: maybe glabels
[10:25] <kakalto> so I can't get any visuals
[10:25] <delire> falcon3: i think dvdauthor has some feature like this, or a similar program
[10:26] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I assume it still does :)
[10:26] <Funraiser> dcraven, u mean an audio CD form MP3s?
[10:26] <kakalto> what should I do?
[10:26] <falcon3> kakalto: reconfigure
[10:26] <tritium> kakalto, are you using nvidia?
[10:26] <kakalto> yup
[10:26] <kakalto> reconfigure?
[10:26] <kakalto> what command?
[10:26] <dcraven_> Funraiser, is there anything else? :)
[10:26] <falcon3> kakalto: dunno, i got ati
[10:26] <tritium> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:26] <Funraiser> dcraven, u tried an audio CD from MP3s?
[10:26] <dcraven_> Funraiser, ...
[10:27] <falcon3> tritium: he might have xfree if he is warty
[10:27] <thoreauputic> kakalto: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:27] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I dunno how else to say it dude.
[10:27] <delire> Funraiser: 'apt-cache search audio mp3' cd returns k3b, and another interesting option: mp3roaster - A Perl hack for burning audio CDs out of MP3/OGG/FLAC files
[10:27] <kakalto> thoreauputic, that's not installed
[10:27] <delire> Funraiser: see 'apt-cache show k3b'
[10:27] <kakalto> thoreauputic, I thought that warty used xf86?
[10:27] <libben> how sensitive is gnome baker on doing stuff in the background? can i surf around as usual and chat with gaim and irc?
[10:28] <delire> Funraiser: sorry .. 'apt-cache search mp3 audio cd'
[10:28] <dcraven_> Funraiser, I dragged mp3 files into k3b, then burned them. Then I put the CD into a cd player that CANNOT play mp3 files, and I heard the music through the attached speakers.
[10:28] <thoreauputic> kakalto: warty yes - I thought you upgraded to hoary
[10:28] <tritium> falcon3, not after upgrading to Hoary
[10:28] <kakalto> thoreauputic, yes, but it doesn't seem to have installed xorg
[10:29] <dcraven_> kakalto, check to see that the nvidia module is loaded --> "lsmod | grep nvidia"
[10:29] <Funraiser> ...that Nerolinux isn't working
[10:29] <Funraiser> all right thanks all
[10:29] <kakalto> dcraven_, yes, nvidia is loaded
[10:29] <kakalto> I think it just didn't install xorg
[10:29] <kakalto> so should I just apt-get install xorg?
[10:29] <tritium> kakalto, but your real problem is that your upgrade went awry
[10:30] <dcraven_> kakalto, Oh.. This is a clean install?
[10:30] <mainer> if you're running kde,k3b works great
[10:30] <libben> how sensitive is gnome baker on doing stuff in the background? can i surf around as usual and chat with gaim and irc?
[10:30] <delire> libben: try it perhaps?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> libben: works fine here
[10:30] <cikilin> i put enable on warty
[10:30] <daven> tritium: i remember when i upgraded to sarge i had to update and dist-upgrade a few times?
[10:30] <mainer> or use gnome f.m. option
[10:30] <delire> libben: depends on your system specs to some degree
[10:30] <cikilin> how download now?
[10:30] <daven> tritium: do you think that might help kakalto?
[10:30] <thoreauputic> libben: how much RAM and CPU have you got there?
[10:30] <dcraven_> kakalto, if you a GNOME man, see if the ubuntu-desktop package is installed maybe...
[10:30] <falcon3> thoreauputic: glabels does not have a template for DVD covers,
[10:30] <kakalto> dcraven_, no, upgrade
[10:30] <tritium> daven, that should not be necessary
[10:30] <libben> p4 1.7 768 ram... no ddr stuff..
[10:31] <libben> maybe a restart of x would clear some ram up =)
[10:31] <kakalto> dcraven_, it should be, although I don't primarily use gnome
[10:31] <falcon3> delire: dvdauthor is only for creating dvds, not labeling/covers
[10:31] <thoreauputic> falcon3: OK - it was a guess - thanks for the info
[10:31] <Funraiser> mainer u talking to me? (with the De Niro accent)
[10:31] <kakalto> ah well
[10:31] <daven> tritium: k - must admit i don't think i had to when i upgraded ubuntu.  although i found apt-get update/upgrade today hasn't been working so well for ubuntu
[10:31] <tritium> kakalto, did you follow: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[10:31] <delire> falcon3: right though there is a related app. let me check
[10:31] <kakalto> I'll sort it out tonight
[10:31] <kakalto> bye-bye
[10:31] <kakalto> exit
[10:31] <libben> thoreauputic, what do u have for desktoping?
[10:31] <dcraven_> kakalto, then maybe x-window-system? That should bring in xorg I think.
[10:31] <falcon3> delire: that would be very kind of you
[10:31] <dcraven_> Or not.
[10:31] <mainer> Funraiser:yes
[10:31] <thoreauputic> libben: desktoping? you mean like gnome and fluxbox?
[10:31] <delire> falcon3: ahah "cdlabelgen - generates front cards and tray cards for CDs and DVDs"
[10:32] <Funraiser> mainer, where is the gnome f.m option?
[10:32] <dcraven_> Man I gotta make a decent IM client...
[10:32] <Funraiser> mainer, how do i do that?
[10:32] <delire> dcraven: gaim doesn't suit you?
[10:32] <falcon3> delire: that seems terminal based :o
[10:33] <libben> thoreauputic, yeah... normal usage... working and playing
[10:33] <delire> falcon3: oh well..
[10:33] <dcraven> delire, gaim drives me crazy.
[10:33] <delire> falcon3: see freshmeat.net
[10:33] <thoreauputic> libben: I switch between fluxbox and gnome
[10:33] <mainer> Funraiser: sorry,meant gnome File Manager,i.e.nautilus
[10:33] <delire> falcon3: what about "kcdlabel - CD cover creator for KDE"
[10:33] <Funraiser> thanks
[10:34] <falcon3> aptgetting it
[10:34] <Burgundavia> falcon3: glabels also does cd labels
[10:34] <tritium> glabels is quite nice :)
[10:34] <dcraven> I've heard great things about glabels.
[10:34] <falcon3> Burgundavia: i need DVD covers !
[10:34] <libben> why switching?
[10:34] <dcraven> There's another!
[10:34] <libben> I used fluxbox before
[10:34] <Burgundavia> falcon3: same size
[10:34] <tritium> heh
[10:34] <thoreauputic> Burgundavia: I suggested that but he thinks it doesn't have DVD templates...
[10:34] <Burgundavia> falcon3: covers
[10:34] <falcon3> Burgundavia: no its not !
[10:34] <libben> now im on gnome
[10:34] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:34] <dcraven> DVD/CD... What's the diff?
[10:35] <falcon3> dcraven: size
[10:35] <Burgundavia> falcon3: you mean for the boxes
[10:35] <delire> openbox plays nicely with gnome. use it as your ultra-light window manager of choice
[10:35] <dcraven> falcon3, stretch them.
[10:35] <falcon3> dcraven: and Burgundavia: i mean the box thingies
[10:35] <jaco^> hi all
[10:35] <JordanAU> i upgraded from warty to hoary, ndiswrapper quit working and X wont start, any suggestions???
[10:35] <Burgundavia> falcon3: you can roll your own size in glabels
[10:35] <tritium> falcon3, you can specify a custom size in glabels
[10:35] <falcon3> dcraven: u seem not to understand
[10:35] <tritium> Burgundavia, ;)
[10:35] <dcraven> falcon3, no.  Not at all. Just in a lame mood.
[10:36] <thoreauputic> falcon3: retain your sense of humour :)
[10:37] <dcraven> falcon3, but thanks for the compliment :)
[10:37] <dcraven> thoreauputic, lol
[10:37] <falcon3> thoreauputic: its to late to retain any of my humor
[10:37] <JordanAU> thoreauputic: have you heard of any problems with ndiswrapper and x not starting after a hoary upgrade?
[10:37] <dcraven> that of course assumes u = you and smth = something
[10:37] <delire> JordanAU: no i haven't..
[10:38] <JordanAU> delire: strange huh?
[10:38] <thoreauputic> JordanAU: what I know about ndiswrapper could be written on a postage stamp
[10:38] <QMario> How do I place files into a Root folder?
[10:38] <dcraven> QMario, can you be more specific?
[10:38] <JordanAU> thoreauputic: that is much more than me :)
[10:38] <dcraven> QMario, like "sudo cp filename /root/" ?
[10:39] <delire> JordanAU: yes, very. can you look at the X logs in /var/log/..? look for 'EE' == errors
[10:39] <QMario> How do I paste files into a Root access folder?
[10:39] <QMario> Hold on..
[10:39] <thoreauputic> QMario: please don't /msg people without asking
[10:39] <dcraven> QMario, Oh. Like with Nautilus? Beyond me.
[10:39] <dcraven> ewwww
[10:39] <QMario> Sorry
[10:39] <JordanAU> delire: i am on my windows boot but will try to get some logs and get back.
[10:39] <delire> JordanAU: in a terminal you can use 'less' on a file and then use '/' to search.
[10:40] <delire> JordanAU: ok, good luck
[10:40] <cikilin> k:why if i put a cd into cdrom it can not hearing?
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> lol
[10:40] <JordanAU> delire: what is the extension on a log file?
[10:40] <^thehatsrule^> eek, wrong chan :/
[10:41] <delire> JordanAU: if you're using XFree86 it'll be /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[10:41] <WeirdAl> Can Ubuntu automatically convert MP3s into CDA format to burn?
[10:41] <JordanAU> delire: great i will open it and then save it as a .txt file and open it in windows
[10:41] <delire> JordanAU: for X.org (the new X system) it'll likely be X.org.log (i don't use it.. check with others)
[10:41] <cikilin> k:why if i put a cd into cdrom it can not hearing?
[10:41] <WeirdAl> Or will I need a special program?
[10:41] <AndyR> anyone else in uk watching hackers on ch5?
[10:41] <JordanAU> delire: how would i know which one?
[10:42] <delire> thoreauputic: if JordanAU has upgraded to hoary he'll be running X.org for sure?
[10:42] <thoreauputic> cikilin: possibly your cdrom is not connected to the sound card
[10:42] <casimir> delire, X.org is Xorg.0.log
[10:42] <delire> JordanAU: you'll only have one or other
[10:42] <thoreauputic> delire: should be, yes
[10:42] <daven> cikilin: i thought you said that if you turned the ripper off you could hear the cd?
[10:42] <delire> JordanAU: according to others it will be X.org.log
[10:42] <occy> hey..... anyone here remember the name of that GPL'ed alternative to vmware?
[10:42] <daven> occy: q-something
[10:42] <cikilin> only if i ripper
[10:42] <thoreauputic> qemu?
[10:42] <occy> daven: hmmm
[10:42] <occy> yah
[10:42] <occy> that's it
[10:42] <daven> occy: yes - qemu
[10:42] <delire> JordanAU: sorry *** Xorg.0.log ***
[10:42] <occy> qemu :)
[10:43] <occy> tx guys
[10:43] <JordanAU> delire: great, also i only updated my main restricted repository, should i have upgraded them all?
[10:43] <cikilin> if my cdrom is not connected to the sound card how i connect?
[10:43] <thoreauputic> JordanAU: yes
[10:43] <delire> JordanAU: yes, you should have
[10:43] <daven> cikilin: have you ever managed toplay a cd in your ubuntu computer?
[10:43] <JordanAU> could that have caused my proble,
[10:43] <cikilin> no
[10:44] <delire> JordanAU: i'd say so
[10:44] <thoreauputic> cikilin: you can use digital output with xmms or beep-media-player
[10:44] <ewrjqwe> wtf.. ubuntu never let me set the root password during installation
[10:44] <thoreauputic> cikilin: that's how I play CDs here
[10:44] <JordanAU> aha, i wish the wili had mentioned that, i sat there and thought about it forever, my rationale was to try one part and if everything else works, do the rest
[10:44] <daven> ewrjqwe: ubuntu doesn't have a root password... it's on the wiki :)
[10:44] <JordanAU> wili/wiki
[10:44] <thoreauputic> ewrjqwe: that's normal
[10:44] <delire> JordanAU: if you want to upgrade from the commandline you can 'sudo apt-get update && apt-get upgrade'
[10:45] <delire> JordanAU: errm sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:45] <casimir> ewrjqwe, all root acces is through sudo, no root passwd
[10:45] <ewrjqwe> i can't login as root with a blank pass
[10:45] <JordanAU> yeah i need to get ndiswrapper up and running first
[10:45] <delire> JordanAU: this may be useful as you can't get into X currently
[10:45] <casimir> ewrjqwe, sudo bash for a root terminal
[10:45] <JordanAU> ewrjqwe: type sudo before commands to act as root
[10:45] <tritium> ewrjqwe, see this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:45] <daven> tritium: you beat me to it :)
[10:45] <ewrjqwe> that's new
[10:45] <tritium> no, not new
[10:45] <ewrjqwe> first time i've ever seen in that in a distro
[10:46] <Tux-Rox> How do I set up a USB Wireless card in Hoary? The Networking Gnome systems tool is crap and is not showing the USB WiFi device, though it is seen in /var/log/messages and the driver is loaded for it, prism_usb.....
[10:46] <JordanAU> tux-rox ndiswrapper
[10:46] <daven> ewrjqwe: i think it's to get people away from the windows idea of logging on as admin/root
[10:46] <daven> ewrjqwe: i don't find it a pain at all now, although it annoyed me at first
[10:46] <JordanAU> Tux-Rox: i answered too quickly  maybe not...
[10:46] <ewrjqwe> ah well, i suppose it is "linux for humans"
[10:46] <thoreauputic> ewrjqwe: sudo isn't new - the implementation is perhaps
[10:46] <Tux-Rox> JordanAU, ndiswrapper even though it has a kernel module?
[10:47] <falcon3> i added some aliasses in /etc/profile, but they dont load automatically, i alwasy need to do source /etc/profile, any help plz ?
[10:47] <tritium> daven, ;)
[10:47] <cikilin> with xmms does not work
[10:47] <ewrjqwe> yeah, i use sudo frequently
[10:47] <ewrjqwe> anyway
[10:47] <JordanAU> Tux-Rox: no i spoke without fully reading what you said
[10:47] <ewrjqwe> thanks for the info
[10:47] <thoreauputic> cikilin: it will if you configure digital output
[10:47] <Tux-Rox> JordanAU, :-)  no worries
[10:47] <CarlK> is ubuntu-users mail list very quite (like no message in the last 4 hours) ?
[10:47] <JordanAU> ewrjqwe: you can create a root account
[10:47] <LeeColleton> how do I relabel VFAT volumes?
[10:47] <cikilin> to.....
[10:48] <ewrjqwe> this'll work.. :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> cikilin: look at the CD plugin configuration in xmms
[10:48] <casimir> ewrjqwe, yeah, you get used to it, sudo bash becomes as much second nature as su
[10:48] <JordanAU> delire: be right back wish me luck
[10:48] <tritium> sudo -s
[10:48] <tritium> or sudo -s -H
[10:48] <delire> JordanAU: luck ;)
[10:48] <vincire> Hello
[10:49] <darGor> hey, if a partition which i have only mp3s, videos etc.. it's NTFS; i rename it on VFAT, so i've permission to write/read with my ubuntu. i CAN do that? any file will be deleted? (??)
[10:49] <JordanAU> delire: actually i changed my mind, i am going to physically move my comuter over to the router and plug in with ethernet and finish the upgrade
[10:49] <thoreauputic> cikilin: in options -preferences -in xmms
[10:49] <cikilin> where is plugin configuration?
[10:49] <delire> JordanAU: ok, wise
[10:49] <libben> how to burn dvd image... cant see any dvd-image button... or should i just import it from cd-image button?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> cikilin: ^^^
[10:49] <casimir> tritium, sudo -s... cool!
[10:49] <tritium> casimir, :)
[10:49] <tritium> That'll save you some typing!
[10:49] <delire> danGor: from what i've heard changing NTFS to fat32 is dangerous.
[10:50] <Tux-Rox> How do I set up a USB Wireless card in Hoary? The Networking Gnome systems tool is crap and is not showing the USB WiFi device, though it is seen in /var/log/messages and the driver is loaded for it, prism_usb.....
[10:50] <superted> What's wrong if I got ubuntu-calendar but none of the calendar wallpapers in the wallpaper dialog?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> cikilin: right click on xmms. choose options > preferences . cd audio
[10:50] <delire> libben: many use 'k3b' i use growisofs
[10:50] <JordanAU> Tux-Rox: what is the card called?
[10:50] <darGor> delire: cus u know with fuckin' NTFS i can only view, but not write anything
[10:50] <libben> so no one has burned dvd with gnome baker?
[10:50] <delire> darGor: blame M$, the *decided* that at some point
[10:51] <libben> just that it supports it ? =)
[10:51] <delire> s/the/they
[10:51] <JordanAU> darGor: you can execute too :)
[10:51] <tritium> libben, I don't have a DVD burner ;)
[10:51] <Tux-Rox> JordanAU, It's a prism2 based DLink DWL-122
[10:51] <mainer> delire: anothe convert,huh:))
[10:51] <casimir> tritium, also works if you like tcsh or zsh or csh or mudsh
[10:51] <darGor> JordanAU: how?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> darGor: you can't convert NTFS to fat without losing your data
[10:51] <tritium> casimir, super
[10:51] <delire> mainer: M$ sure helps them along ;)
[10:51] <libben> what is the option Burnfree before u hit burn? is it like the overburn feature in windows program?
[10:51] <cikilin> i go xmms proprieties
[10:52] <dcraven> darGor, they got ya!
[10:52] <drewcore> do you think that having my usr partition at the end of my drive would cause programs to load slowly?
[10:52] <darGor> thoreauputic: okay
[10:52] <QMario> Does anyone know where the printer drivers are placed?
[10:52] <libben> I should do a hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc before i burn =) lol
[10:52] <mainer> libben,far as i know,yes
[10:52] <delire> darGor: i advised a friend to take the time out to back up the whole NTFS partition and simply convert it to fat32 or an ext3 Linux fs
[10:53] <dcraven> QMario, like where on your filesystem or which package they are found in?
[10:53] <delire> darGor: an NTFS --> fat32 conversion will always be damaging.
[10:53] <QMario> Where on the filesystem.
[10:53] <darGor> delire: yeah it'll fuck up all
[10:53] <casimir> what's the option to have dma on ide-cd on at boot?
[10:53] <QMario> The filesystem.
[10:53] <darGor> delire: if i change ntfs to ext3, on fuckin windoze, i couldn't view fils
[10:54] <darGor> files
[10:54] <thoreauputic> darGor: can you vary your expletives a bit please?
[10:55] <kent> casimir, have you looked at /etc/hadparm.conf? It gets read on boot.
[10:55] <delire> darGor: for sure.. if you need to read/write across partitions, from either OS,  you're best backing it all up and converting it to fat32
[10:55] <libben> so "burnfree" == overburn or !=
[10:55] <casimir> kent, I'll check it out
[10:55] <dcraven> QMario, I dunno where they are kept.'
[10:55] <WeirdAl> MP3 > CDA a la Nero -- is this possible?
[10:55] <WeirdAl> Or am I going to have to use Windows again?
[10:55] <cn__> WeirdAl, use k3b
[10:55] <delire> WeirdAl: use k3b
[10:56] <QMario> How can Windows access them on the network?
[10:56] <cn__> lol
[10:56] <tritium> WeirdAl, or graveman, gnomebaker
[10:56] <delire> QMario: samba
[10:56] <dcraven> QMario, I normally let Windows load its own printer drivers.
[10:56] <kent> WeirdAl, to burn mp3s to audio, use k3b, graveman, gnomebaker..
[10:56] <dcraven> QMario, you are using cupsd?
[10:56] <QMario> What is that?
[10:56] <delire> QMario: sorry you were talking about printers..
[10:56] <WeirdAl> k thanks. Sourceforge was no help :)
[10:56] <QMario> What is cupsd?
[10:57] <delire> an advanced printing system for Linux
[10:57] <dcraven> QMario, CUPSD == Common Unix Printing System Daemon I believe.
[10:57] <Trixisity> Hey eveyone greetings from Holland
[10:57] <thoreauputic> QMario: common unix printer system
[10:57] <Trixisity> Anyone here uses an optical desktop set
[10:57] <Trixisity> ?
[10:57] <delire> Trixisity: hej
[10:57] <Trixisity> hey delire
[10:57] <Trixisity> Dansk?
[10:57] <dcraven> QMario, is the printer physically plugged into a Linux box or a Windows box?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> dcraven: yours is more accurate :)
[10:57] <cikilin> k:on xp i put a cd into cd-rom and ask for sart playinf and it is playing
[10:57] <Tux-Rox> How do I set up a USB Wireless card in Hoary?  You can get the computer to automaticly open a cdplayer when you insert a audio-cd. In Hoary its in System, i guess its there in Ubuntu Warty also.. Look for it.
[10:59] <delire> Trixisity: i have used many over the years.. it's all USB as far as the kernel is concerned
[10:59] <jameis> thoreauputic yah well uhh if you can't use the system at all cause the process is not only sucking cpu but also memory that isn't an option..
[11:00] <kent> cikilin, as dcraven says.
[11:00] <Trixisity> okay
[11:00] <aestetix> q: just d/led and burned the livecd, ran it on laptop... boot screen came up just fine, but the rest of the loadup is so dim I can barely see it. Any fix?
[11:00] <Trixisity> I got a PS/2 version
[11:00] <Trixisity> from sweex
[11:00] <delire> Trixisity: and it doesn't work?
[11:00] <Trixisity> just got windows drivers
[11:00] <thoreauputic> jameis: yah well we're here to help, but getting mad won't solve your problem
[11:00] <cikilin> where is system?
[11:00] <Trixisity> I didnt thought it needed much drivers
[11:00] <Trixisity> just plug in and work
[11:01] <Trixisity> but it seems the other way
[11:01] <kent> cikilin, the menu on the panel?
[11:01] <dcraven> jameis, you need to purchase a laptop so that you can ssh in and kill the process ;)
[11:01] <jameis> thoreauputic: well my question still stands. If the system is completely hosed because of a process how can you kill it the only way is really if the kernel did it since it still takes sysrq functions.
[11:01] <delire> Trixisity: have you tried it in Linux? ubuntu will provide the drivers for using that. they are fairly standard
[11:01] <cikilin> k
[11:01] <jameis> dcraven funny I am talking to you on that laptop ;) The system was completely hosed...
[11:01] <cikilin> witch
[11:01] <dcraven> Doh
[11:01] <jameis> but it was still computing and sysrq still worked
[11:01] <kent> cikilin, If you run Ubuntu warty, then its perhaps cald something else. I dont remember what :)
[11:01] <holycow> aestetix, are you sure your laptop isn't one of the older ones with the thingy on the side of the lcd to adjust that manually?
[11:01] <Trixisity> yeah I'm on ubuntu right now
[11:01] <cikilin> system configuration?
[11:01] <jameis> so the linux kernel should have been able to kill it..
[11:01] <Trixisity> coulden't find anything in synaptic
[11:01] <holycow> some laptops like gateways have a brightness switch via keyboard ... like ctrl/ up or down key
[11:02] <delire> Trixisity: ahah so it's working..
[11:02] <aestetix> It is and has, but I didn't think it was an issue because the Ubuntu boot loader shows up fine.
[11:02] <aestetix> And it's toggled on max brightness.
[11:02] <Trixisity> haha no
[11:02] <ompaul> jameis, if it is a standard build the machine should be able to auto recover if you can't get in easily
[11:02] <Trixisity> I'm now on a normal one
[11:02] <Trixisity> with a wire
[11:02] <delire> Trixisity: ok if it doesn't work when you plug it in, then just restart X. eg log out and log back in.
[11:03] <Trixisity> ok I'll try that
[11:03] <aestetix> I've run other livecds (gentoo, knoppix, etc) and they've worked fine.
[11:03] <Trixisity> First gonna check some sites
[11:03] <Trixisity> then I'll try that
[11:04] <ompaul> jameis, however it takes time ..
[11:04] <delire> Trixisity: even try a reboot if you want to be truly sure..
[11:04] <jameis> ompaul uhh 30 minutes of chugging away isn't long enough?
[11:04] <delire> jameis: what's up? a process eating your system memory>
[11:04] <delire> s/>/?
[11:04] <Trixisity> yeah I did that before
[11:04] <dcraven> I made a sexy gvim colorscheme.
[11:04] <Trixisity> but it didn't work
[11:05] <Trixisity> I'll try it again in a minut
[11:05] <jameis> delire yes and the kernel isn't smart enough in the 2.6 series to do anytihng about it within a timely manner.
[11:05] <ompaul> jameis, can you get onto that box?
[11:05] <cikilin> i went there and enable media......and not hearing
[11:06] <delire> jameis: have you tried a pkill <process>?
[11:06] <delire> jameis: or a straight kill -9 <process>
[11:07] <jameis> the system is still computing I can move my mouse but I cannot get in to the system AT ALL not remotely not in fronit of me haven't you guys ever had a process that is taking not only cpu or memory it kills the system completely IE you cannot use it at all
[11:07] <jameis> that was the situation I had
[11:07] <jameis> whcih in turn requiresw some sort of kernel action to get rid of the offending process
[11:07] <jameis> and appaerntly there isn't one cause 20 minutes or so of chugging still produced nothing
[11:07] <delire> jameis: hasn't happened to me in many years..
[11:07] <dcraven> cikilin, do you hear system sounds? As in, if you type "aplay /usr/share/sounds/question.wav" in a term, do you hear the drums?
[11:07] <jameis> delire well try loading say 70 gigs of mp3s with rhythmbox and enjoy your system dying..
[11:07] <delire> jameis: 70gigs!?
[11:08] <dcraven> jameis, I've only seen that happen in programs that I write.
[11:08] <delire> jameis: i hope you have DMA
[11:08] <cikilin> yes i do
[11:08] <jameis> yes I have dma
[11:08] <dcraven> cikilin, have you ever heard a sound out of that CDROM ever? In any operating system?
[11:08] <jameis> and I just lost an email since thudnerbird obviously has no @#$@# recovery mechanism damn..it is pooring today
[11:08] <jameis> ou
[11:09] <cikilin> i have two hards
[11:09] <delire> jameis: well i use a console jukebox called pytone. it chugs for about 10 minutes while grepping through my filesystem looking for mp3's..
[11:09] <cikilin> one with xp
[11:09] <cikilin> and working
[11:09] <DooD> hi guys
[11:09] <DooD> i have a problem
[11:09] <zenwhen> what is it
[11:09] <cikilin> another for two days ubuntu
[11:09] <DooD> i've installed the hoary from cd
[11:09] <kbrooks> er
[11:09] <redPanda> hi all
[11:09] <kbrooks> on guarddog
[11:09] <DooD> and i can't seem to be able to install kdevelop
[11:09] <kbrooks> how do i open 6667 to the web
[11:09] <DooD> kdevelop3:
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdelibs4 (>=4:3.4.0) but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>=3:3.3.3) but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: autoconf  but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: automake  but it is not installable or
[11:10] <DooD>  	automake1.9  but it is not installable or
[11:10] <DooD>  	automake1.7  but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdebase-bin  but it is not installable
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdevelop3-data but it is not going to be installed
[11:10] <DooD>  Depends: kdevelop3-plugins but it is not going to be installed
[11:10] <delire> DooD: do you have universe repositories enabled? then an apt-get update?
[11:10] <DooD> here's what it says
[11:10] <DooD> anyone can help me out?
[11:10] <kbrooks> DooD, NO PASTING
[11:10] <dcraven> cikilin, I don't know where to look. I don't play music on the CD nor do I have any cd music. Have a look on the forum maybe?
[11:10] <delire> DooD: you need to apt-get update
[11:10] <thoreauputic> DooD: you just lost any good will you were hoping for
[11:10] <libben> any sfv checker for linux ?
[11:10] <ompaul> DooD, use pastebin.com or some such please
[11:10] <dcraven> DooD, use pastebin for that.
[11:11] <dcraven> yeah.. what ompaul  said.
[11:11] <DooD> i did
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> hehe
[11:11] <dcraven> haha
[11:11] <disturbed1> par2 commandline can check sfv's
[11:11] <dcraven> Looked like it was in the channel to me.. Sorry.
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> its a site ^^
[11:11] <pantz> hi people - couldn't find anything to do with a roadmap on the site - can someone tell me if Hoary is due this week?
[11:11] <cikilin> sound card where can i found?
[11:11] <^thehatsrule^> pantz, i think so
[11:11] <thoreauputic> pantz: 8th of April
[11:12] <DooD> brb
[11:12] <pantz> thoreauputic, where did you pull that from?
[11:12] <dcraven> cikilin, I don't know what you mean.
[11:12] <delire> DooD: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kdevelop
[11:12] <thoreauputic> pantz: mailing list and staements on the wiki
[11:12] <thoreauputic> *statements
[11:13] <dcraven> If there ever were ops in here we could put the release date in the topic... Novel idea.
[11:13] <delire> DooD: your package list is out of sync with what is on the servers.
[11:13] <cikilin> i wana know if i have sound card
[11:13] <delire> cikilin: lspci | grep Audio
[11:13] <pantz> thoreauputic, so everything is still on track for a release tomorrow?
[11:13] <DooD> delire can we chat in private
[11:13] <thoreauputic> pantz: as far as I know
[11:13] <DooD> i need to paste
[11:13] <delire> cikilin: actually 'lspci | grep audio'
[11:14] <delire> DooD: did you do what i suggested?
[11:14] <pantz> cool! - can't wait
[11:14] <jameis> fuck
[11:14] <dcraven> grep -i audio will work :)
[11:14] <cikilin> done i have]
[11:14] <DooD> yes
[11:14] <DooD> i did
[11:14] <Trixisity> Hey Delire
[11:15] <Trixisity> it works!
[11:15] <delire> DooD: i can't chat privately now, i have to leave.
[11:15] <pantz> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule :)
[11:15] <Trixisity> I don't know what it is
[11:15] <delire> Trixisity: ahah cool ;)
[11:15] <DooD> ugh
[11:15] <Trixisity> but I rebooted for the 3th time
[11:15] <DooD> ok
[11:15] <Trixisity> and now it works
[11:15] <Trixisity> let's hope it stays this way
[11:15] <dcraven> DooD, www.pastebin.com
[11:15] <delire> Trixisity: hmm, weird. well i hope it stays that way ;)
[11:15] <DooD> well thanks anyways
[11:15] <libben> couldent burn the dvd.iso... why gooood whyyyy... anyone? i clicked Burn cd image...
[11:15] <DooD> dc what's that
[11:15] <libben> couldent find a dvd image button
[11:15] <Trixisity> yes
[11:16] <delire> DooD: np, ask the others about adding the 'universe' and 'multiverse' pacakge repositories to be sure all dependencies are covered
[11:16] <delire> ok out..
[11:16] <dcraven> DooD, paste stuff there, then paste the link here.. Saves flooding this channel with garbage like you did.
[11:16] <DooD> i added universe multivers to sources.list already and did aptitude update and apt-get update
[11:17] <DooD> uhh i see
[11:17] <DooD> thanks dc
[11:17] <DooD> nice suggestion
[11:17] <dcraven> DooD, no problem.
[11:18] <cikilin> still can not hear the cd
[11:19] <ompaul> cikilin, did you hear any music as the machine started up?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> cikilin: do you have a nearby Linux Users Group? That might be the best way for you - the language difficulty is too much on IRC I think
[11:19] <cikilin> yesv i heart
[11:19] <cikilin> no i dont have nearby
[11:19] <dcraven> cikilin, maybe this thread can help --> http://tinyurl.com/4vzk6
[11:21] <thoreauputic> does anyone else think loading 70 Gigs of mp3s into rhythmbox at one go is a litlle bit ambitious?
[11:21] <bur[n] er> new release tomorrow right?!?!?
[11:21] <mjg59> Yes
[11:21] <bur[n] er> thoreauputic: 3 gigs is ambitious
[11:21] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox isn't usable
[11:22] <Arnia> Muine copes well with loading my 25Gb music collection at once
[11:22] <dcraven> thoreauputic, I'd say so. Something like Musik might handle it with an sqlite backend.
[11:22] <Arnia> It also searches it quickly
[11:22] <thoreauputic> bur[n] er: that's what I thought :)
[11:22] <dcraven> bur[n] er, yes.. Tomorrow.
[11:22] <bur[n] er> but the kdelibs are ridiculus
[11:22] <bur[n] er> it gets up to about 250+ megs of RAM use
[11:22] <QMario> Why can't Windows use my printer driver over the network?
[11:22] <QMario> (16:22:47) QMario: Windows tells me that the driver is invalid.
[11:23] <dcraven> I'd rather go silent.
[11:23] <QMario> Heh
[11:23] <martinald> hi all. i'm having problems with totem yet again :(
[11:23] <bur[n] er> amarok has nice album covers though :)
[11:23] <dcraven> QMario, Is it because the driver is for Linux?
[11:23] <bur[n] er> beep-media-player is nice too
[11:23] <martinald> basically i started using the xine version over the gstreamer one because ffmpeg isn't good enough to play back xvid yet. however, now i have no mp3 playback
[11:23] <bur[n] er> QMario: shared from a linux box?
[11:24] <theine> nice new website design
[11:24] <QMario> Yes, then how can Windows use my driver?
[11:24] <dcraven> theine, yeah it's nice.
[11:24] <jc-denton> i've played a bit with ubuntu now
[11:24] <jc-denton> and i just got one question
[11:24] <bur[n] er> martinald: there's always gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:24] <jc-denton> why did u choose gnome instead of kde
[11:24] <Verithrax> How do I get grub off my MBR?
[11:24] <bur[n] er> QMario: put the driver on windows first
[11:24] <jc-denton> it sucks as hell
[11:24] <martinald> so could someone explain how i get both good xvid playback and mp3 playback at the same time with totem :)? i've added the w32codecs to my folder and that works fine but no mp3
[11:24] <QMario> Yes, it is shared on a Linux computer.
[11:24] <bur[n] er> jc-denton: kubuntu
[11:24] <vrln> jc-denton: there's kubuntu too
[11:24] <martinald> bur[n] er: "i started using the xine version over the gstreamer one"
[11:24] <dcraven> QMario, I didn't know it needed to. I have a printer plugged into my Linux box, shared using cupsd, and Windows prints to it using it's own drivers.
[11:25] <dcraven> QMario, hold up a sec.
[11:25] <bur[n] er> martinald: my bad... bit backwards... xine should play mp3s
[11:25] <mcrawfor> does hoary have a nice framebuffer boot screen?
[11:25] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: yes
[11:25] <mcrawfor> neato
[11:25] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: no splash screens... yes
[11:25] <bur[n] er> ...yet
[11:25] <mcrawfor> splash screens?
[11:25] <bur[n] er> nevermind ;)
[11:25] <martinald> it doesn't. can someone help me troubleshoot it please
[11:26] <bur[n] er> martinald: what are you trying to play mp3s with?
[11:26] <bur[n] er> totem?
[11:26] <mcrawfor> how about better support for susending to disk/ram?
[11:26] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: wiki... and yes, there is support
[11:26] <dcraven> QMario, maybe this will help? It's similar to what I did --> http://tinyurl.com/52mxz
[11:26] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: even in the gnoem menu
[11:26] <mcrawfor> hm.
[11:26] <thoreauputic> martinald: I have xine working, but I also have mpg123 installed (dunno if that makes any difference)
[11:26] <martinald> totem
[11:26] <martinald> ok
[11:27] <bur[n] er> martinald: use beep-media-player and see if it works
[11:27] <mcrawfor> because when I try to do the whole echo 'disk' > /sys/acpi/state thing - nothing happens at all
[11:27] <martinald> well i did have both xine and mp3 working at one stage but it's broke now...
[11:27] <bur[n] er> if not... apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:27] <martinald> i want to use totem
[11:27] <jc-denton> bur[n] er: yes sure
[11:27] <bur[n] er> just try it for kicks :)
[11:27] <mcrawfor> but acpi give accurate info about my batter/lid/etc
[11:27] <bur[n] er> see if something plays mp3s
[11:27] <martinald> please could you listen to me burner?
[11:27] <bur[n] er> try thrymbox
[11:27] <jc-denton> i installed kubuntu desktop
[11:27] <martinald> yes something plays mp3s
[11:27] <martinald> gstreamer plays mp3s
[11:27] <bur[n] er> totem-xine does not
[11:27] <mcrawfor> rhythmbox is very nice in recent versions
[11:27] <jc-denton> but it's not really finished yet
[11:27] <martinald> i'm using totem-xine because ffmpeg playback sucks
[11:27] <jc-denton> much stuff missing..
[11:27] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox is ass ;)
[11:27] <holycow> i saw rhythmbox has and ipod location now
[11:27] <bur[n] er> martinald: understandable
[11:28] <holycow> by as bur[n] er said, it's still ass
[11:28] <mcrawfor> bur[n] er: really?  It sure used to be, but I have been impressed with recent versions
[11:28] <jc-denton> rhytmbox is wanna-be-iTunes
[11:28] <libben> is there anhttp://hem.passagen.se/standby/linux/terminal-sfv_xchat_.png
[11:28] <libben> damit... wrong channel
[11:28] <mcrawfor> bur[n] er: no more crashing, quick updates of huge amount of songs, etc.
[11:28] <dcraven> I'm outta here for a bit. My wife is taking me to KFC! Wheeee!!
[11:28] <dcraven> Good luck QMario.
[11:28] <dcraven> ..and everyone else too :)
[11:28] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: libaudiofile0 is loaded?
[11:28] <martinald> i've installed mpg123, no playback
[11:28] <mcrawfor> bur[n] er: what?
[11:28] <QMario> Thank you!
[11:29] <bur[n] er> mcrawfor: i meant martinald  ;)
[11:29] <mcrawfor> sorry
[11:29] <martinald> and how would i go about doing that?
[11:29] <thoreauputic> martinald: no playback of mp3 with mpg123? not even in a terminal?
[11:29] <bur[n] er> aw man, i'm sorry, i cant troubleshoot... i gotta go
[11:29] <martinald> no in totem
[11:30] <bur[n] er> totem plays my mp3s ;)
[11:30] <bur[n] er> see ya
[11:30] <martinald> nope no mp3 in mpg123
[11:30] <martinald> i'm typing mpg123 filename.mp3, is that right?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> martinald: yes, that should play
[11:30] <martinald> ok, it's not
[11:31] <martinald> my mp3s play fine in muine tho
[11:32] <martinald> and also rhythmbox
[11:32] <libben> anyone has burned dvds with gnomebaker? i dident had any luck on it... and the sfv checked it OK
[11:32] <martinald> thoreauputic: i don't understand, all this was working before
[11:32] <thoreauputic> martinald: I know little about sound, but crimsun (who does know ) was advising people to use esd for sound here a few days back, if I remember correctly
[11:33] <martinald> how do i set it?
[11:33] <thoreauputic> martinald: I'm on warty so I'm probably not much help
[11:34] <martinald> ok sure but isn't there some pointy-clicky stuff i can do to have xine use a different sound server? like gstreamer-properties; just for xine
[11:34] <thoreauputic> martinald:   gnome-sound-properties  ?
[11:34] <martinald> no because my gnome sounds work fine
[11:34] <martinald> it's just xine and mpg12
[11:34] <thoreauputic> I'm just guessing, frankly
[11:34] <Obsidians> I'm using Hoary, how can I manually edit the applications menu? The menueditor messed it up a little bit.
[11:34] <Grock> 23vmoW
[11:35] <Grock> Gaim
[11:35] <martinald> ok. so anyone else got any ideas?
[11:35] <Grock> HI is there a way to compile the sources for a kernel module while I'm compiling the kernel?
[11:35] <thoreauputic> martinald: doesn't xine have such settings in the preferences or other config dialogues ?
[11:36] <martinald> i'm using totem-xine lol :( no preferences
[11:36] <Grock> if that question seems strange it's because it's about adding a module not included in the linux-source
[11:37] <Grock> instead of doing it seperate can I do It all at once?
[11:37] <_d4vid> ky all
[11:39] <carlton> What does "Release Candidate" mean?
[11:39] <ompaul> 72% [385 openoffice.org-bin 34504292/41.7MB 82%]                 86.7kB/s 19m34s <-- too slow
[11:39] <borgista> It means it's the candidate to be released.
[11:39] <thoreauputic> martinald: for what it's worth - i have totem-xine and xine-ui here: totem xine crashes all the time, xine-ui works fine...
[11:39] <LadyRoot> what is on top of ubuntulinux.org new page? in opera browser it is not working!
[11:40] <borgista> It's an Ubuntu log...and the right, some tabs.
[11:40] <LadyRoot> yes, the tabs are not functioning properly
[11:40] <borgista> my tabs work fine.
[11:41] <borgista> but i'm using firefox.
[11:41] <LadyRoot> mine not
[11:41] <borgista> Then switch to firefox. =)
[11:41] <LadyRoot> I dont want, i want a well coded page :p
[11:41] <borgista> And that means giving up functionality?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: you aren't the first Opera user to have problems with that page, if that's any consolation
[11:42] <LadyRoot> thoreauputic, ok, thanks, just noticed it
[11:42] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: I checked the page - it's standarrds compliant according to the dillo bug checker anyway...
[11:42] <DooD> it seems archive.ubuntu.com is down
[11:42] <DooD> if you want to use archives you should use us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[11:42] <Goshawk> DooD, not for me
[11:42] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: seemsto be an Opera quirk of some kind
[11:43] <apow> is there a way to install ubuntu via network?
[11:43] <ompaul>  LadyRoot that is a functional page - I wonder should you report a bug to Opera? ----->!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"
[11:43] <LadyRoot> thoreauputic, maybe in opera 8 something is fixed, will try
[11:43] <gds> hi everyone
[11:43] <DooD> not for you what
[11:43] <gds> I've got a big problem :-)
[11:44] <ompaul> gds, well not telling it won't half it
[11:44] <gds> I have move a swap partition over
[11:44] <gingermark> Hey guys, hope everyone is well. Was wondering if anyone could recommend a good program for Ubuntu that converts & resizes images?
[11:44] <borgista> the GIMP.
[11:44] <DarthFrog> gingermark: GIMP
[11:44] <borgista> That's what I use.
[11:44] <gds> and resume does not work :-(
[11:44] <thoreauputic> gingermark: or imagemagick for cli
[11:44] <gingermark> Is cli?
[11:44] <gingermark> sorry
[11:45] <gingermark> cli?
[11:45] <ompaul> command line interface
[11:45] <gingermark> ah
[11:45] <gds> I modified fstab
[11:45] <gingermark> sorry
[11:45] <thoreauputic> gingermark: command line interface
[11:45] <gingermark> newbie here
[11:45] <ompaul> gingermark, well we are new every day at something
[11:45] <ompaul> :)
[11:45] <gingermark> I'll try again with GIMP
[11:45] <gingermark> cheers
[11:45] <thoreauputic> gingermark:  http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=05/03/29/1525217
[11:45] <TrendKill> anyone have a link to a howto for libdvdcss in hoary?
[11:45] <gingermark> ta
[11:46] <gds> I haved to add noresume to boot the system
[11:46] <xamdm> TrendKill, just download the debian-package :-)
[11:46] <thoreauputic> TrendKill:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:46] <gds> ompaul, I can't understand " well not telling it won't half it"
[11:47] <ompaul> gds, a problem shared is a problem halved
[11:47] <ompaul> gds, :-)
[11:47] <TrendKill> thoreauputic, thanks
[11:47] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[11:48] <LadyRoot> the Opera 8 beta3 browser shows the ubuntulinux.org web site OK, must have been a bug in earlier version
[11:48] <xamdm> TrendKill, http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.8/deb/
[11:48] <Grock> HI is there a way to compile the sources for a kernel module while I'm compiling the kernel?
[11:48] <Obsidians> How can I edit the application menu? I'm using Hoary.
[11:48] <thoreauputic> LadyRoot: ah - good to know - we can inform people: thanks
[11:48] <LadyRoot> :)
[11:48] <ompaul> Grock, that question does not make sense
[11:48] <xamdm> Obsidians, http://manny.cluecoder.org/packages/gnome-menu-editor/
[11:49] <Grock> ompaul: srry i meant to say extra modules, as in not included in the linux kernel sources
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Obsidians: or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21390&highlight=menu+editor+hoary
[11:49] <Obsidians> Yeah, I have that. But I've got things in my menu that it doesn't show, that it put there when I tried to use it. Like an extra copy of some of the menus.
[11:49] <carlton> Where's the best reference for playing DVDs with Totem or Xine? PPC platfrm
[11:50] <thoreauputic> carlton: problem with codec availability on ppc
[11:50] <gds> ompaul, thanks for yours interest
[11:50] <thoreauputic> carlton: I use mac-on-linux for multimedia video
[11:51] <ompaul> Grock, you should make the modules after the kernel
[11:51] <carlton> Will it work on my 400mhz G3?
[11:51] <sebastian> if i use xine i hear some noise obove my sound
[11:51] <sebastian> is there somethig like noise reduction?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> carlton: I don't know - mine is a 1.2 GHz iBook
[11:52] <carlton> Thanks Tho :)
[11:52] <thoreauputic> carlton: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto
[11:52] <Grock> oh I was hoping to compile using the kernel package tool with my fast computer copy the .deb over to the slow one and dpkg -i the kernel and modules on the slow computer
[11:52] <gds> There's an italian channel here?
[11:52] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-it
[11:53] <gds> thanks thoreauputic
[11:53] <ompaul> grock this should help http://www.captain.at/programming/kernel-2.6/
[11:53] <TrendKill> xamdm, thanks
[11:53] <Grock> thanks I'll take a look
[11:53] <apow> is there a way to install ubuntu via network?
[11:53] <lamont_r> apow: not officially
[11:54] <lamont_r> apow: however, you might look in dists/hoary/main/installer-i386 or so
[11:54] <witless> hi guys.  just wondering how you got firefox to use native gnome dialogs in firefox, when this doesn't appear to be available in debian-unstable...?
[11:55] <stazich> hey guys, how to eject a cdrom through shell?
[11:55] <witless> eject /dev/<device> , i think
[11:55] <ompaul> stazich, type eject
[11:57] <thoreauputic> witless: your other question would be better in #ubuntu-devel - but they are kind of busy today :)
[11:57] <ompaul> really bad bug :) CDplayer can't id  lots of good CDs like queen greatest hits III  - grip can do it in a moment
[11:57] <stazich> my mac is 333, os9 worked much more stable and a bit faster.. anyone has any suggestions? i tried installing xfce, helped but not much
[11:57] <ompaul> thoreauputic, you don't say :)
[11:58] <thoreauputic> ompaul: can't imagine why :)  *grin*
[11:58] <lamont_r> thoreauputic: no.  is #ubuntu question
[11:58] <lamont_r> thoreauputic: ah, nm
[11:58] <thoreauputic> lamont_r: about firefox?
[11:58] <lamont_r> witless: we have a gnome god
[11:59] <ompaul> 343 megs of stuff downloaded and installed
[11:59] <ompaul> man this box needed a bit of an upgrade
[11:59] <gds> I have a big problem with resume (suspend)... how must I configure Ubuntu? I moved space partition over