[12:00] <Kamion> Kosai: hmmmmm
[12:00] <neighborlee> speaking of which I need to get a svideo cable so I can start watching tv here <G>
[12:00] <topyli> Kosai: when the smoke is gone, check all the connections once more
[12:01] <topyli> neighborlee: lyx qt is better than the xforms one though, and i really like lyx. there's also the k3b problem that makes us install<PHONE_NUMBER>0 M of qt and kde libraries
[12:02] <topyli> say nothing, i can already hear it: just use cdrecord
[12:04] <neighborlee> topyli, heh
[12:04] <Kamion> topyli: the TV in question is > 20 years old, it's possible some part has just gone
[12:04] <jmhodges> hehe, from updating to PR firefox without restarting the browser: http://somethingsimilar.com/images/firefoxwhoops.png
[12:04] <neighborlee> topyli, I do tend to use cdrecord at command line frankly LOL
[12:04] <FX|Laptop> grrrr still having trouble with my wireless. There no forum yet is there?
[12:05] <topyli> well, tv's just go at some time :(
[12:05] <neighborlee> topyli, that way I know i'm getting a bootable CD ;-)..although I should grab elcipit again soon if its still around..nice UI
[12:06] <topyli> well, it's all just machinery -- the software, the hardware -- fsck it. it's your data that counts
[12:08] <neighborlee> heh yes
[12:08] <neighborlee> oops I meant: eclipit
[12:08] <neighborlee> although yeah k3b sure is sweet minus is one dependency LOL
[12:10] <neighborlee> well darn this kidna bites..so i'm kinda outta luck if I want to get the netbeans IDE which comes with j2re ?..just wondering cause as I say the symlinking didn't work ;((
[12:10] <neighborlee> nm ill get ide separately
[12:10] <neighborlee> odd though as the symlink usually works
[12:10] <Deft> what symlinking?
[12:11] <neighborlee> Deft, for java
[12:11] <Deft> the plugin?
[12:11] <neighborlee> Deft, ln -s /usr/java/blah/blah .
[12:11] <neighborlee> yup
[12:12] <Deft> check you have permission to actually access it; run 'file /usr/lib/moz....so'
[12:12] <topyli> neighborlee: are you using the debian package or did you install the sun package?
[12:12] <neighborlee> Deft, yes I have permissin
[12:12] <neighborlee> ion
[12:13] <neighborlee> topyli, sun package..then I did the symlink as noted on debians how-to site
[12:13] <neighborlee> topyli, well its not just a debian howto..it applies to most all distros
[12:13] <Deft> sure? that's the only issue I had with it
[12:13] <neighborlee> Deft, positive
[12:14] <mwh_> Hi, I just installed ubuntu on my workstation, unfortunately when gdm starts the display is just black :(
[12:14] <topyli> neighborlee: that's how i do it on anything other than debian. but on debian you should install the debian package that makes everything right, instantly :)
[12:14] <mwh_> I have to gfx-cards maybe thats the problem
[12:14] <neighborlee> topyli, yup its installing
[12:14] <mwh_> anyone here who has more than one monitor running with ubuntu?
[12:15] <neighborlee> topyli, guess i'm too used to manually doing it LOL..hahah
[12:15] <topyli> "debian is hard to install and use" :)
[12:15] <neighborlee> topyli, well unless you use one of the flavors of debian that comes preinstalled with most of the plugins...
[12:16] <neighborlee> topyli, heh
[12:16] <topyli> ah, the commercial suckers :)
[12:16] <neighborlee> topyli, which typically is why i've avoided it but thanks to these new distros thats no longer such an issue lol
[12:18] <topyli> heh, ubuntu does actually seem to be very cool, very free. also, provides support for almost-unstable, which saves me from actually running unstable! what more can you ask?
[12:19] <Ycros> coffee would be nice right about now :E
[12:19] <neighborlee> topyli, not much thats for sure heh
[12:20] <neighborlee> topyli, okay this apt java installer thing isn't allowing me past : (END) ??
[12:20] <neighborlee> its asking me to read the copyright stuff but i'm not getting a yes/no at end for some reason is what I mean
[12:21] <topyli> heh. it's just 'less'. press space :)
[12:21] <neighborlee> tried that
[12:21] <neighborlee> no go
[12:21] <neighborlee> I just  hear a beap sound ;-)
[12:21] <neighborlee> beep
[12:22] <topyli> hmmm. that's a new beep to me :(
[12:22] <neighborlee> heh
[12:22] <neighborlee> ohhhhhhhh LOL
[12:22] <topyli> what?
[12:22] <neighborlee> I had to 'esc:q' LOL!!!
[12:23] <topyli> rofl
[12:23] <neighborlee> that aint how its suppose to work but ooooooookay ;-))<wink>
[12:23] <topyli> you have vi as the $PAGER ?
[12:24] <topyli> file a bug in ubuntu :)
[12:24] <neighborlee> i've not changed anything faik regarding that option
[12:24] <neighborlee> np I'm willing to do that if its really a bug and not user LOL
[12:25] <neighborlee> I helped squash one bug already ;-)heh
[12:25] <neighborlee> a 'minor' one but hey!!
[12:25] <topyli> it's a sin. except rms says using vi is not a sin but a penance :)
[12:25] <neighborlee> topyli, lollllll
[12:26] <topyli> heh
[12:26] <neighborlee> topyli, well..I prefer nano I think frankly..somehow I got used to vi..man I gotta break this cycle ..lmao
[12:26] <Cardador> is anybody tried to ssh to an ubuntu machine?
[12:26] <Cardador> has*
[12:26] <Kamion> Cardador: install openssh-server
[12:26] <Cardador> damn :)
[12:26] <intero> hi
[12:26] <topyli> Cardador: i do it all the time :)
[12:27] <neighborlee> intero, hi
[12:27] <topyli> Cardador: yeah, they broke it in two.
[12:27] <Cardador> Kamion: i wanted to acess the pc that is on my workplace
[12:27] <intero> hi neighborlee
[12:27] <Cardador> now i guess ill do it tomorrow morning :)
[12:28] <topyli> Cardador: sorry, but i think it's a good decision to break it into user-space and the server.
[12:29] <Cardador> topyli: i didnt say it wasnt :P i just needed to acess a file. any sugestion?
[12:29] <topyli> crack it. and then file a bug :)
[12:29] <Cardador> eheh
[12:29] <dieman> i guess im starting to like hotplug, mostly because someone is maintaing its hw info well
[12:30] <mwh_> got it working nice
[12:31] <keifer> anyone manage to get flux installed?
[12:33] <neighborlee> keifer, use gnome sorry..but flux is nice yeah
[12:33] <holger> hi, i have overwritten my bootloader for to other partitions. Where can i find the grub.conf or whatever?
[12:38] <holger> I still have the old fedora grub.conf.
[12:38] <topyli> Cardador: when you install ssh on debian, it asks you if you want to run the server or not. i think ubuntu installs just the user part on purpose...
[12:41] <crimsun> correct. you have to ``sudo apt-get install openssh-server'' if you want sshd
[12:41] <Kamion> topyli: the Ubuntu configuration is just what's in Debian experimental, really; I co-maintain openssh in Debian and am coordinating the two
[12:42] <holger> is it menu.lst?
[12:42] <topyli> Kamion: this is good policy -- in debian and elsewhere, imo
[12:42] <Kamion> holger: yes
[12:42] <holger> ok, thanks
[12:52] <koke> hi
[12:52] <koke> can't get qemu working in ppc :(
[12:53] <koke> qemu: could not load PPC bios 'ppc_rom.bin' (524288)
[12:53] <koke> -rw-r--r--    1 koke     koke<PHONE_NUMBER>-09-23 00:49 ppc_rom.bin
[12:55] <Mitario> nite all
[12:58] <WW> Hey, I just updated the wiki with instructions for playing DVDs: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[12:59] <WW> Could a few experts make sure it looks reasonably correct?
[01:00] <trukulo> WW: wouldn't be better making it in shell with apt-get ?
[01:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> need to add a note: these archives are not affiliated with ubuntu and make infringe laws in certain countries
[01:01] <WW> trukulo: That depends on what type of user is reading the instrutions.
[01:01] <Cardador> trukulo: the people that do it in a shell dont need help
[01:01] <WW> What Cardador said :)
[01:01] <arachne> sure
[01:01] <trukulo> Cardador: that's right
[01:01] <arachne> is there a doc translation project ?
[01:02] <trukulo> WW: that looks good for me
[01:02] <WW> trukulo: You could also add a second set of instructions based on the command line... go for it.
[01:02] <trukulo> WW: 1.00 am here, time to sleep, not to write in wiki :)
[01:02] <WW> :)
[01:02] <trukulo> tomorrow i've to work hard
[01:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> oh piffle :p
[01:03] <trukulo> pop3 to imap migration in a network :P
[01:05] <WW> Hrdwr_Bob: Yeah, I realize that even though it is one of the most frequently asked questions here, having instructions in the wiki might cause legal problems.  If the ubuntu folks take it out for legal reasons, well, so be it.
[01:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> just put the note in
[01:05] <chutwig> hello friends
[01:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> just so people know :)
[01:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> no-one will read it anyway :)
[01:07] <trukulo> we need java and flash howto's
[01:07] <trukulo> i've got java howto in my web, but in spanish
[01:09] <housetier> there are debian specific java howtos
[01:09] <trukulo> mine is valid for sarge, sid and ubuntu
[01:10] <housetier> http://z42.de/debian/
[01:10] <housetier> that's what I have been using
[01:11] <trukulo> i prefer to make by hand
[01:11] <trukulo> because i can use latest jre avalaible
[01:11] <Cardador> i have a problem. when i try to eject my cds, i have to unmount them first. is it a feature or a bug?
[01:12] <trukulo> a feature
[01:12] <trukulo> because if you press eject button without wanting... what happens if it's copying files?
[01:12] <Cardador> it should be smt like "are you sure you want to eject the cd?" :)
[01:13] <trukulo> where?
[01:13] <trukulo> at terminal? at X ?
[01:13] <trukulo> imagine you have no monitor
[01:13] <WW> Hrdwr_BoB: Done.
[01:13] <trukulo> i've got a lot of machines without monitor
[01:13] <chutwig> is anyone else having problems trying to connect to the repositories?
[01:14] <chutwig> wait, there it goes
[01:14] <Cardador> ok trukulo, no problem for me with that, but i guess that for a windows newcomer it will be difficult to figure out how to get the cd out of the drive
[01:15] <trukulo> Cardador: could be, yes
[01:15] <trukulo> but it's more secure
[01:15] <trukulo> i prefer security than make life easier for windows users
[01:15] <chutwig> it won't unmount the disc unless it's not in use
[01:16] <chutwig> you can't eject it whenever you want anyway
[01:16] <Cardador> but then about 95% of all computer users are windows users :)
[01:16] <trukulo> Cardador: and what?
[01:16] <chutwig> the first time it wouldn't automatically unmount for me, but then it started working on subsequent tries
[01:16] <trukulo> we have to make system less secure for that?
[01:16] <chutwig> um, what
[01:16] <Cardador> so it is likelly that a lot of people that starts using ubuntu are coming from windows
[01:16] <chutwig> "secure"?
[01:16] <Se7h> where is flash ?
[01:16] <chutwig> this is ejecting a CD
[01:17] <Cardador> not less secure, but maybe making it easier to figure out
[01:17] <trukulo> chutwig: if you have a CD in a server, and people want to put one in the drive
[01:17] <Cardador> a panel applet with a cd should do it
[01:17] <trukulo> what would happen if you are using one?
[01:17] <Kamion> this isn't about security
[01:17] <chutwig> this is a "security" issue?
[01:18] <trukulo> i think it's security
[01:18] <chutwig> um
[01:18] <Kamion> if somebody else has physical access to your secure server, you lose. end of story.
[01:18] <chutwig> no
[01:18] <trukulo> Kamion: imagine there are two sysadmins for a server
[01:18] <Kamion> trukulo: it is not about security, really
[01:18] <Cardador> Se7h: http://penguin.dq.fct.unl.pt/~crlf/linux/net/
[01:18] <chutwig> imagine a series of increasingly irrelevant and pointless situations
[01:18] <trukulo> i see a security
[01:18] <Kamion> we don't
[01:19] <Kamion> Cardador: right-click then eject should unmount the CD first
[01:19] <chutwig> if it lets people exploit the system in some way, it's a security issue
[01:19] <Kamion> (for you)
[01:19] <Cardador> Kamion: i know that
[01:19] <Kamion> Cardador: if that doesn't happen, please file a bug
[01:19] <Cardador> but i have to go to computer, then disks, then right click, then eject
[01:19] <Kamion> Cardador: the fact that the eject button doesn't work is enforced by the kernel, to avoid data corruption
[01:19] <trukulo> for me is more secure if a cd is being used, that it can't be ejected
[01:20] <mojo> ppl
[01:20] <mojo> FireFOX1 is avail for download
[01:20] <chutwig> trukulo: enough about the CD crap already
[01:20] <mojo> too cool
[01:20] <Kamion> Cardador: ah, in the daily CD builds an icon pops up on your desktop for the CD
[01:20] <trukulo> well , is more secure if there isn't file corruption
[01:20] <trukulo> lol
[01:20] <chutwig> nobody cares
[01:20] <Cardador> Kamion: ok
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: that should help out the new users, we think; it's kind of a stopgap measure, and we'd like to do something better for the next release
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: there was a fair amount of talk at the technical board meeting about it :)
[01:21] <Cardador> Kamion: what about a panel applet?
[01:21] <Cardador> that would be even bette :)
[01:21] <trukulo> Kamion: what about supermount?
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: that's probably what we'll do for the next release
[01:21] <Kamion> Cardador: but it wasn't written/tested/debugged in time
[01:22] <Kamion> Cardador: time-based releases, feel the love :-)
[01:22] <Cardador> ok, so keep up the good work ;)
[01:22] <Kamion> mojo: that seems to be 1.0PR1?
[01:22] <Kamion> mojo: that just went into warty
[01:23] <Kamion> (source, anyway, not sure if it's built yet)
[01:23] <Kamion> ah, yes, it's built
[01:23] <trukulo> Kamion: what about patching kernel with supermount?
[01:24] <chutwig> hmm
[01:25] <chutwig> gnome does not seem to be in any particular mood to start up after this last upgrade set
[01:26] <ish> ubuntu is my first experience running gnome regularly.. my laptop is always running hot, is that common?
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> ish: hm.. it shouldn't
[01:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> perhaps speed step isn't working properly?
[01:26] <trukulo> ish: do you have acpi enabled ?
[01:26] <lynrees> hi!
[01:27] <lynrees> Where does my local mail get dilivered to?
[01:27] <lynrees> delivered even!
[01:27] <trukulo> to your local account
[01:27] <trukulo> you can configure evolution to see it
[01:27] <lynrees> Ok! Where is that, it's not at /var/mail/username
[01:28] <trukulo> look for local accounts in evolution and use your user/pw
[01:28] <ish> trukulo: had to go back to apm.. laptop locked solid when I did such things as pull the power plug, or even when the fan kicked.
[01:28] <ish> its running cooler with apm, but still hot..
[01:29] <ish> if I run fvwm it seems to run cooler.
[01:29] <trukulo> ish: try booting with append : nolapic
[01:29] <Cardador> lynrees: try at ~/.evolution/mail
[01:32] <lynrees> Cardador: Doesn't seem to work
[01:34] <lynrees> By the way, ubuntu looks pretty good in Welsh!
[01:34] <ish> truk-zzz: nolapic or noapic?
[01:34] <lynrees> Well gnome does anyway.
[01:34] <chutwig> APIC is something very different from ACPI
[01:35] <dieman> im impressed, vnc works from my gnome desktop at work on ubuntu to my gprs connection
[01:35] <dieman> but its *slow*
[01:36] <__randy__> Does anyone know how to turn on Java support in Open Office
[01:46] <FX|Laptop> Hello again. :)
[01:47] <FX|Laptop> What would I need to watch dvd movies?
[01:47] <FX|Laptop> I got libdvdcss2. But it hangs when trying to start the movie.
[01:47] <HcE> is totem available?
[01:48] <Slackeerb> you guys added firefox 1.0! I love you guys. =)
[01:48] <FX|Laptop> I came with the install
[01:48] <FX|Laptop> Totem that is.
[01:48] <phlaegel> FX|Laptop: you probably want to switch to totem-xine
[01:49] <_Hiro_> or ogle, ogle is nice for dvds
[01:49] <FX|Laptop> umm, how would I go about that?
[01:49] <_Hiro_> apt-get install totem-xine  or use synaptic
[01:49] <eaxnt> 1.0 ?
[01:50] <eaxnt> already
[01:50] <Hrdwr_BoB> 1.0PR
[01:50] <eaxnt> I didnt even know 1.0 was out
[01:50] <eaxnt> 0_o
[01:50] <eaxnt> have 9.3
[01:50] <phlaegel> it isn't. it's a preview release
[01:50] <_Hiro_> FX|Laptop Computer >> System Configuration >> Synaptic Package Manager
[01:51] <FX|Laptop> I don't mind the cli. :)
[01:51] <eaxnt> alls you need
[01:51] <eaxnt> is mplayer
[01:52] <WW> eaxnt: I tried mplayer, but it didn't play full screen.
[01:52] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html
[01:52] <arachne> will ubuntu officially support mplayer ?
[01:52] <eaxnt> WW: thats because you're slow .. press F and it goes to full screen
[01:52] <phlaegel> arachne: doubtful, it has legal issues
[01:52] <eaxnt> yeah , codecs use reverse engineered stuff
[01:53] <arachne> ha ok
[01:53] <arachne> it's legal here
[01:54] <FX|Laptop> thanks the totem-xine worked. Now if I could get wireless working. :)
[01:54] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: download 1.0PRE5 .. and under codecs below , 'essentail' you can get others if you want
[01:54] <jeedee> There's a bug report about Lilo in bugzilla, is there any way to install lilo from ubuntu?
[01:54] <eaxnt> jeedee: grub is betta
[01:54] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: whats wrong with wireless
[01:55] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: is your card supported , if so .. do you have the modules loaded "lsmod" if you dont see it , you need to modprobe <driver_name>
[01:55] <jeedee> I know that's why my computer wont start after I install ubuntu, grub hangs
[01:55] <FX|Laptop> Well I have a signal on the signal monitor, but can't get to lan or net.
[01:55] <arachne> do you expect the web site to be translated soon ?
[01:55] <FX|Laptop> The install noticed my Athreos card from what I seen.
[01:55] <eaxnt> jeedee: it hangs because you didnt install it right , or you have something screwed up with your drive configuration , grub is stable and works
[01:56] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: 'ifconfig'
[01:56] <jeedee> Tell me something I dont know :P I just need to find a way to make it work but it does not output anything, it just hangs at Loading Stage ...
[01:56] <jeedee> Lilo, grub, I don't care as long as it works
[01:56] <eaxnt> jeedee: make sure it wrote itself to the MBR , and not the root sector of the drive
[01:56] <Se7h> what's the path to mozilla ?
[01:56] <jeedee> It did
[01:56] <eaxnt> Se7h: installing flash ?
[01:56] <jeedee> I just need to find a way to install Lilo to test
[01:57] <eaxnt> Se7h: its /usr/lib/mozilla(1.6)
[01:57] <Se7h> yeah
[01:57] <Se7h> u sure?
[01:57] <eaxnt> try
[01:57] <eaxnt> /usr/lib/mozilla
[01:57] <eaxnt> or /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6
[01:58] <FX|Laptop> hmm It shows up (ath0) and eth0 show up.
[01:58] <eaxnt> it will tell if its not the right
[01:58] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: ifconfig eth0 up , ifconfig ath0 up
[01:58] <Se7h> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[01:58] <eaxnt> Se7h: mozilla under ubuntu is under /usr/lib/mozilla , are you using firefox ?
[01:59] <WW> exant: Just to be sure, I tried it again.  "Full screen" in mplayer doesn't actually use the full screen.  It plays in a small rectangle in the middle of teh screen.  totem-xine shows a bigger display.
[01:59] <Se7h> yes
[01:59] <Se7h> sorry
[01:59] <eaxnt> its /usr/lib/mozilla or /usr/lib/mozilla-1.6
[01:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> oooh
[01:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> WW: mplayer -vo xv
[01:59] <eaxnt> Se7h: if its firefox .. 'whereis firefox'
[01:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> WW: marillat is a cracksmoker and put x11 as the default
[02:00] <Hrdwr_BoB> sudo vi /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[02:00] <FX|Laptop> hmm still doesn't work.
[02:00] <Se7h> WARNING: /usr/bin/firefox is not a directory.
[02:00] <Se7h> erg
[02:00] <Hrdwr_BoB> %s/x11/xv/
[02:00] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: let him read the flipping manual ..
[02:00] <Hrdwr_BoB> shouldn't have to though
[02:00] <eaxnt> Se7h: I'm not entirely sure where firefox installs itself , try /usr/lib/firefox
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's the most retarded default
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> surely sdl would make more sense
[02:01] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: no it wouldnt 0_o
[02:01] <phlaegel> you know, you can put the mplayer config in your home dir, then it survives reinstalls, etc.
[02:01] <Se7h> seth@devil ~ $ whereis firefox
[02:01] <Se7h> firefox: /usr/bin/firefox /usr/share/man/man1/firefox.1.gz
[02:01] <eaxnt> phlaegel: rofl .. yeah
[02:01] <phlaegel> Hrdwr_BoB: lowest common denominator
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> eaxnt: why not? the package depends on SDL in any case, and SDL will check if xv is there and use it
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> if not it will use X11
[02:01] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: they put it to whatever works with most peoples systems ...
[02:01] <Hrdwr_BoB> phlaegel: sdl is a dependancy in any case, and will output it in x11
[02:02] <Clint> sdl doesn't always work
[02:02] <eaxnt> no shit
[02:02] <eaxnt> hes confused
[02:02] <eaxnt> Se7h: sorry man , I dont know where it goes .. try /usr/lib/firefox , browse /usr/lib and look for firefox's directory , I know mozilla uses /usr/lib .. if not try /usr/local/lib /usr/local/bin , etc
[02:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> x11 may 'work' in more cases, but in the vast majority of cases, people will want sdl or xv
[02:02] <WW> Hrdwr_BoB: mplayer -vo xv didn't work.  It couldn't open .mplayer/codec.conf
[02:03] <Se7h> ok
[02:03] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: what does that matter .. its what works most often
[02:03] <Se7h> thanks eaxnt
[02:03] <eaxnt> np
[02:03] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: if they really wanted to fix it .. they'd write an installer and autoprober , and host if offshore =]  static binary that works with everything
[02:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> eaxnt: who is 'they' in this case
[02:04] <WW> ... but I'm sure that's a configuration thing that I can deal with when I need it.
[02:04] <WW> Later
[02:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> it IS hosted 'offshore'
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's not an official part of anything
[02:05] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: offshore == country that doesnt give a shit , ie. not the USA/some countries in europe/japan/etc
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> I know, I said it was
[02:05] <eaxnt> oh
[02:05] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:05] <eaxnt> I misread that
[02:05] <eaxnt> sorry
[02:05] <eaxnt> they could still make it a binary static installer , compile it for you =]
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> why?
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> there's a huge infrastructure called debconf
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> which is in place specifically for that
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> I just think xv is a much more sane default
[02:06] <Hrdwr_BoB> (well, sdl)
[02:06] <eaxnt> its not
[02:06] <eaxnt> its actually sort of stupid
[02:06] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> why?
[02:07] <eaxnt> what works on most peoples boxes == default, sdl/xv isnt the obvious choice
[02:07] <eaxnt> x11 is
[02:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> what works on most peoples boxes is xv
[02:07] <eaxnt> 0_o
[02:08] <Se7h> synaptic is easier
[02:08] <Se7h> lolol
[02:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> how many PCs have you seen recently that don't support xv
[02:08] <eaxnt> PCs
[02:08] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:09] <FX|Laptop> test
[02:09] <eaxnt> uhm
[02:09] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB,
[02:09] <eaxnt> google for
[02:09] <eaxnt> 'mplayer , xv'
[02:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> wow
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> a whole lot of messages from 2002 and 2003
[02:10] <FX|Laptop> grrr, stupid wireless.
[02:10] <eaxnt> Hrdwr_BoB: problem with xv , xv problem
[02:10] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop..
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> omg
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> three people had a problem
[02:11] <eaxnt> dude
[02:11] <eaxnt> top 10 results
[02:11] <eaxnt> xv
[02:11] <eaxnt> mplayer
[02:11] <Hrdwr_BoB> meanwhile, the 10,000 people who needed it set by default
[02:11] <eaxnt> == problems
[02:11] <eaxnt> just drop it .. you iz wrong
[02:11] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:11] <FX|Laptop> eaxnt, just having trouble with the wireless yet.
[02:12] <Hrdwr_BoB> people will always have problems.
[02:13] <lamont> any autocrap gurus around who want to write a patch that makes gal build on warty?
[02:15] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop,
[02:15] <eaxnt> can you traceroute/ping any of the boxes on your lan ?
[02:15] <eaxnt> are you sure there is even ip connectivity
[02:15] <eaxnt> 'ifconfig'
[02:15] <eaxnt> tell me whats there
[02:15] <eaxnt> priv msg
[02:16] <eaxnt> wireless connecting to a wireless router with DHCP ?
[02:17] <FX|Laptop> I'm gonna trying something eaxnt. I'll brb.
[02:18] <eaxnt> whats the best burning built on gtk?
[02:18] <eaxnt> burning/ burning application
[02:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> nautilus
[02:19] <jdub> nautilus-cd-burner is really easy to use
[02:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> unfortunately there's no real killer cd burning app
[02:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> which is desperately needed
[02:20] <eaxnt> it does audio cds
[02:20] <eaxnt> video cds
[02:20] <eaxnt> all that
[02:20] <eaxnt> ?
[02:20] <jdub> nup
[02:20] <jdub> just data
[02:20] <eaxnt> 0_o
[02:20] <jdub> k3b is in universe if you want to try that
[02:20] <eaxnt> I have that
[02:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> you can use gcombust but it's crap
[02:20] <eaxnt> I prefer gtk stuff , I dont like k3b spawning kdeinit crap
[02:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> well - it works, but the UI was designed by monkeys
[02:21] <eaxnt> is anyone working on one , beyond k3b
[02:22] <eaxnt> Im browsing sf/freshmeat
[02:22] <eaxnt> just polling , thought maybe I missed something
[02:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> I don't believe so
[02:25] <FX|Laptop> welp that didn't work either.
[02:27] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: does the wireless device get an ip from dhcp ?
[02:27] <eaxnt> FX|Laptop: 'ifconfig'
[02:27] <eaxnt> look at 'ath0'
[02:27] <eaxnt> does it have an IP ?
[02:29] <FX|Laptop> No eaxnt it doesn't
[02:30] <eaxnt> well , thats why it wont connect to anything
[02:30] <eaxnt> 'dhclient'
[02:30] <eaxnt> I assume your wireless router supports DHCP , get a dhcp client (dhclient) or (pump)
[02:30] <eaxnt> run one of them
[02:30] <eaxnt> it should assign it an IP
[02:30] <FX|Laptop> Well when I set this up or did the install I should say I had static. How can I change it to dhcp.
[02:31] <eaxnt> you just install dhclient/pump
[02:31] <eaxnt> and run it
[02:31] <eaxnt> err wait
[02:31] <eaxnt> sorry
[02:31] <eaxnt> thats not right
[02:32] <eaxnt> http://www.resnet.ubc.ca/support/dhcp/linux/debian-dhcp/debian-dhcp.html
[02:32] <eaxnt> 'apt-get install pump'
[02:32] <eaxnt> then run pump
[02:32] <FX|Laptop> So I can change the static to the dhcp from when I installed?
[02:32] <eaxnt> debconf should prompt you for which interface it wants to use
[02:32] <eaxnt> use 'ath0'
[02:32] <eaxnt> yeah , just install 'pump'
[02:32] <eaxnt> 'apt-get install pump'
[02:33] <eaxnt> it will prompt you for the interface
[02:33] <eaxnt> which is ath0
[02:33] <FX|Laptop> hmm Ok I'll give it a shot
[02:33] <eaxnt> it'll work
[02:33] <eaxnt> hehe
[02:38] <FX|Laptop> eaxnt, well not sure what pump is suppose to do, but nothing happen when I ran it in a term.
[02:39] <chutwig> pump is a dhcp client
[02:39] <eaxnt> it GETS an IP for your network interface card
[02:39] <eaxnt> via dhcp
[02:39] <eaxnt> and , it doesnt do anything when you run it
[02:39] <eaxnt> 'ifconfig'
[02:39] <eaxnt> it have an IP now ?
[02:40] <FX|Laptop> nope. and eth0 is still stuck at the static ip I set up when I install ubuntu.
[02:40] <eaxnt> pump aht0
[02:40] <eaxnt> pump ath0
[02:41] <FX|Laptop> ~ $ pump ath0
[02:41] <FX|Laptop> pump: no extra parameters are expecte
[02:41] <eaxnt> pump --help
[02:41] <eaxnt> look for a flag dealing with 'interface'
[02:41] <eaxnt> then add the flag with ath0
[02:42] <punkass> if i have a second harddrive (for backup) is it ok to have partition on it  marked bootable
[02:42] <punkass> when its on the secondary IDE
[02:42] <eaxnt> you need to have the drive with MBR marked as bootable I think
[02:42] <eaxnt> oh , its on a different ide chan
[02:43] <punkass> well they can both be marked as bootable...thats why i was wondering
[02:43] <punkass> if the main one fails i want to just be able to swap over the backup
[02:44] <FX|Laptop> Ok got an ip now.
[02:51] <jono> ugh, I am so drunk :)
[02:52] <jono> mucho beer drunk :)
[02:53] <jono> I am off to bed
[02:53] <jono> night all
[03:07] <neighborlee> spell checking isn't working here in oowriter ?..anyone is having troubles with this ? ;-)) ie: version 1.1.2
[03:10] <bolivar> i would say its not working
[03:11] <eaxnt> oowriter ?
[03:11] <bolivar> open office writer
[03:11] <eaxnt> install aspell ?
[03:11] <punkass> where is the MBR located on a hard drive...its not the same as the /boot parition is it?
[03:11] <eaxnt> punkass: no
[03:12] <eaxnt> bolivar: open oowriter inside a terminal , and watch if it gives a 'so and so library missing' Im pretty sure its aspell
[03:12] <eaxnt> install that , and try again
[03:13] <bolivar> according to synaptic its installed
[03:13] <bolivar> but one sec
[03:14] <neighborlee> eaxnt,ok thx..checking
[03:15] <neighborlee> eaxnt,nope no such missing statements ..
[03:19] <Slackeerb> Can someone help. When ever I try to update apt's source list I get this error "W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems". Its says ebcause of duplicate sources.list entrys.
[03:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> Slackeerb: you probably have duplicate sources.list entries
[03:19] <Kamion> Slackeerb: do you have two sources.list entries, one 'main restricted' and the other 'main restricted universe', but otherwise identical?
[03:20] <Slackeerb> Kamion: yes =)
[03:20] <Kamion> we should probably fix up base-config not to look like it recommends that
[03:20] <Kamion> Slackeerb: ok, change 'main restricted universe' to just 'universe'
[03:20] <Slackeerb> Kamion: thx! doing so. =)
[03:21] <Slackeerb> ahh everything works perfectly now. =)
[03:21] <neighborlee> eaxnt, I already have aspell installed actually...
[03:25] <Slackeerb> Kamion: may I ask how do I make totem play avi files?
[03:26] <Britt> Slackeerb: unless I'm mistaken you need to remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine
[03:26] <gRegulato> hello hello?
[03:27] <Britt> Slackeerb: but I haven't gone through the process yet so I'm not 100% positive :)
[03:27] <Slackeerb> Britt: do i need to add anything to apt?
[03:28] <gRegulato> hey, i am having a problem installing ubuntu 4.10 on my ibm thinkpad
[03:28] <gRegulato> can anyone help?
[03:28] <Britt> Slackeerb: possibly ... there is one particular multimedia repo ... i think it mentions it in the FAQ
[03:28] <bolivar> feel free to ask gRegulato
[03:29] <Kamion> Slackeerb: totem-xine's in universe
[03:29] <gRegulato> The install is locking up on the "Loading components of the Ubuntu Installer" screen at 81%
[03:29] <Slackeerb> Kamion: so just apt-get totem-xine?
[03:29] <Kamion> Slackeerb: you missed 'install' in there, but yeah
[03:30] <gRegulato> "Loading module "IDE-Generic"
[03:30] <Kamion> gRegulato: suggests DMA problems on the CD, maybe
[03:30] <Slackeerb> kamion: lol ya. =) thx
[03:30] <Kamion> gRegulato: boot with hdc=nodma?
[03:30] <gRegulato> Kamion, reburn the iso?
[03:30] <gRegulato> I didnt do any options on the install
[03:31] <theantix_> is anyone here having problems with the firefox 1.0PRE that was just put up?  I'm getting segmentation faults with certain javascript pages (in Horde webmail, Gallery)
[03:32] <whiprush> hey Slackeerb did you ever get your java thing working?
[03:33] <gRegulato> The laptop i am trying to install on is old, P200, but it is a thinkpad so i would think all hardware is supported
[03:36] <Slackeerb> whiprush: I reinstalled ubuntu about half an hour ago lol. No java =(
[03:37] <Slackeerb> good night kamion!
[03:39] <schweeb> so, I'm wondering how many people have come in here tonight after having upgraded and rebooted having NVIDIA problems, heh
[03:39] <schweeb> frigging rivafb.
[03:39] <whiprush> Slackeerb: heh, I just did it today
[03:39] <whiprush> you try that debianinnovations thing?
[03:39] <Slackeerb> whiprush: debianinnovations thing? Inform me. =)
[03:40] <whiprush> ok
[03:40] <whiprush> try this
[03:40] <whiprush> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/
[03:40] <whiprush> deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/all/
[03:40] <whiprush> add those to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:40] <whiprush> sudo apt-get update
[03:40] <whiprush> then
[03:41] <whiprush> sudo apt-get install j2sdk
[03:41] <Slackeerb> will that install the firefox plugin 2?
[03:41] <whiprush> yeah
[03:41] <whiprush> you just need to symlink it
[03:41] <whiprush> which I can figure out
[03:41] <whiprush> one sec
[03:42] <whiprush> ln -s /usr/local/lib/jdk/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[03:42] <whiprush> woo!
[03:42] <whiprush> crap, that's wrong.
[03:42] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:42] <whiprush> that last part is wrong
[03:42] <whiprush> I'll figure it out by the time that 40mb dl is done though
[03:43] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:43] <Slackeerb> k
[03:43] <Slackeerb> =)
[03:43] <schweeb> or he'll ask me :p
[03:44] <whiprush> ln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4.2/jre/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[03:44] <neighborlee> whiprush, good luck...I tried that and had no luck
[03:44] <Slackeerb> thx I hope it works. =)
[03:44] <whiprush> relaunch firefox, then about:plugins, and you should see java in it's gray screen glory
[03:44] <neighborlee> whiprush, I wound up using apt ...worked flawlessly ;-00..
[03:45] <Slackeerb> neighborlee:?
[03:45] <whiprush> neighborlee: well, you have to make the plugin symlink by hand still
[03:45] <neighborlee> the symlink did not work
[03:45] <neighborlee> whiprush, I did indeed
[03:45] <whiprush> hmmm
[03:46] <schweeb> you're not spoofing useragent, are you?
[03:46] <schweeb> because that fucks java up hardcore
[03:46] <schweeb> immediate browser crash
[03:47] <whiprush> hmm
[03:47] <whiprush> it works for me
[03:47] <Slackeerb> this is takeing a while to download
[03:47] <whiprush> weird though, I had a zombied firefox process though
[03:47] <jdub> whiprush: got some nice stuff going into universe for testing before hoary
[03:47] <Slackeerb> whiprush: with this allow azureus to work 2?
[03:47] <whiprush> jdub: oh oh
[03:48] <jdub> whiprush: howl, gamin, polypaudio
[03:48] <whiprush> Slackeerb: yep, just get it from upstream, untar it, doubleclick on the azureus icon
[03:48] <Slackeerb> gamin?
[03:48] <whiprush> dude, gamin ++
[03:48] <whiprush> is this inotify stuff rml been blogging about going to make it?
[03:48] <Slackeerb> whiprush: you rule. =). You should make a litlle how to thingy. =
[03:48] <whiprush> Slackeerb: already working on one.
[03:49] <Slackeerb> whiprush: awesome
[03:49] <whiprush> mostly sid tricks, like that java one. Hesistant to have people use it in ubuntu though. Might blow up.
[03:50] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:50] <whiprush> jdub: you did an itp for gamin for debian a while back didn't you?
[03:51] <jdub> yeah
[03:51] <jdub> all going up to debian atm too
[03:51] <whiprush> haha, that's one of my favorite bugs ever.
[03:51] <whiprush> the next guy was like "what's wrong with fam?"
[03:51] <jdub> inotify relies on the kernel
[03:51] <Slackeerb> whiprush: its done download. Now the moment of true. (did i spell taht right?)
[03:51] <Slackeerb> downloading* my bad
[03:51] <whiprush> truth.
[03:52] <jdub> in the future, there may be gamin-inotify and gamin-dnotify or something, unless DV makes it check at runtime
[03:52] <Slackeerb> hah ya damn public schools truth*
[03:52] <whiprush> $ java -version
[03:52] <jsubl2> does gamin replace fam
[03:52] <whiprush> you should see 1.4.2-b28
[03:52] <jdub> jsubl2: yes
[03:52] <whiprush> jsubl2: yeah
[03:55] <whiprush> jdub: good to see howl go in too.
[03:55] <Slackeerb> whiprush: once again you rule. Everything works PERFECTLY. Now may I ask how I was quick time streams?
[03:56] <whiprush> ok, I totally don't understand what you just asked.
[03:56] <whiprush> can you rephrase the question?
[03:57] <Slackeerb> lol
[03:57] <Slackeerb> whiprush: I want to be able to watching streaming media online.
[03:58] <Chriffer> grab mplayer and mozilla-mplayer off somewhere
[03:58] <Chriffer> and w32codecs
[03:58] <whiprush> yep
[03:58] <Chriffer> or gxine and you can use that as a browser plugin
[03:59] <Slackeerb> ill grab gxine
[03:59] <Slackeerb> =)
[03:59] <Chriffer> gxine throws a plugin into /usr/lib/gxine/ you can just ln -s it to /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[04:00] <Slackeerb> Chiffer: thx
[04:02] <Slackeerb> Chiffer I did what you said and when i go to apple .com i see "click here to install plugin"
[04:05] <Slackeerb> n/m im slow
[04:05] <wm_eddie> anybody know if they put alsaconf back into alsa-utils yet?
[04:05] <jdub> alsaconf is disabled, i believe
[04:05] <jdub> mdz: right?
[04:05] <wm_eddie> yeah, I heard.
[04:05] <mdz> correct
[04:05] <mdz> gone bye-bye
[04:06] <wm_eddie> but my laptop needs it :(
[04:06] <mdz> for what?
[04:06] <wm_eddie> to configure my isa sound card.
[04:06] <wm_eddie> and alsaconf knows how to set my sound card up correctly.
[04:07] <whiprush> http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list
[04:07] <whiprush> ok
[04:07] <whiprush> there's my unofficial, unsupported sources.list for anyone interested
[04:08] <whiprush> should handle most of the gray area stuff.
[04:08] <wm_eddie> whiprush: like mplayer?
[04:08] <whiprush> yep
[04:08] <whiprush> everything
[04:08] <wm_eddie> awesome.
[04:09] <whiprush> crap, forgot the freenx source
[04:11] <joem> whiprush, does it have libdcss?
[04:11] <Slackeerb> blah i still cant watching streaming media
[04:11] <whiprush> yep
[04:11] <whiprush> everything
[04:11] <joem> nice
[04:11] <whiprush> except mplayer-mozilla seems to be curiously absent
[04:12] <whiprush> joem: if you install w32codecs and libdvdcss and whatnot, you can watch almost any media in totem
[04:12] <joem> yea
[04:12] <whiprush> Slackeerb: here's what you do for quicktime ...
[04:12] <whiprush> check the source of the page
[04:12] <whiprush> there's an embed tag
[04:12] <joem> if only the smp image package wasn't dying out on me, I would be all set
[04:12] <whiprush> with a url to the .mov file
[04:12] <whiprush> wget that file
[04:13] <whiprush> and then play it.
[04:13] <Slackeerb> thats so hard tow lol
[04:13] <Slackeerb> thow*
[04:13] <subterrific> "but if you use Java, you're already used to slow."
 I'm _back_
[04:18] <Slackeerb> there no sound in totem guys?
[04:18] <eazel7> updating from a clean debootstraped woody is ok? I hope
[04:18] <whiprush> man, this industrial skin for firefox is just fantastic.
[04:18] <schweeb> yea, I'm using it now too whip
[04:18] <subterrific> whiprush: me too, its slick
[04:18] <schweeb> you evil evil gnomebot
[04:18] <schweeb> I liked my old theme a ton, too :-/
[04:18] <schweeb> just doesn't look right in gnome
[04:19] <whiprush> Slackeerb: there should be sound
[04:19] <eazel7> I use epihany because of the look matter
[04:20] <Slackeerb> whiprush: there sint. =(. and when im listen to music with rhythmbox. gaim cant use sounds.
[04:20] <whiprush> heh
[04:20] <whiprush> welcome to sound in linux!
[04:20] <whiprush> :(
[04:20] <eazel7> I wonder when will the gecko controls like lists and those be wrapped to gtk...
[04:20] <subterrific> my biggest epiphany complaint is that it doesn't select the address bar when you make a new tab
[04:20] <whiprush> Slackeerb: pause rhythmbox, wait a second, then launch totem.
[04:20] <eazel7> subterrific: the same as me
[04:21] <subterrific> eazel7: i opened a bug about it and they still haven't fixed it
[04:21] <whiprush> I like epiphany, I only have one problem with it though
[04:21] <whiprush> it's not firefox. :-/
[04:21] <Slackeerb> whiprush: still nothing
[04:21] <eazel7> would you belive that any gnome app delays at least 7 minutes to start?
[04:21] <subterrific> Slackeerb: i'll help you fix that
[04:22] <Slackeerb> whiprush: shoudl I be bale to listen 2 two things at once?
[04:22] <Slackeerb> subterrific: =)
[04:22] <whiprush> Slackeerb: I can't.
[04:22] <whiprush> I tried dmix, made it worse
[04:22] <whiprush> so I just gave up
[04:22] <subterrific> Slackeerb: first, run  gstreamer-properties
[04:22] <subterrific> and change everything from OSS to ALSA
[04:23] <Slackeerb> done
[04:23] <subterrific> then, relaunch everything, if that doesn't work, you'll need to add dmix stuff to your .asoundrc
[04:23] <subterrific> whiprush: dmix should work fine if you change gstreamer to use ALSA
[04:24] <whiprush>  and when I do that I get no sound at all. grrr.
[04:24] <Slackeerb> subterrific: it works! =) yay. thx
[04:24] <whiprush> Lemme try it though.
[04:24] <subterrific> i had 10 programs playing stereo audio with dmix and it was hardly using any cpu
[04:25] <subterrific> whiprush: my guess is that you've got gstreamer set to use OSS. thats the default for some crazy reason
[04:25] <whiprush> I haven't tried this in ubuntu yet
[04:25] <subterrific> oh
[04:25] <whiprush> so lemme try it
[04:25] <Slackeerb> subterrific: can u help em with streaming media in firefox?
[04:25] <whiprush> nope.
[04:26] <whiprush> I have an ac97 chip
[04:26] <subterrific> Slackeerb: mplayer-plugin for mozilla is pretty much the only option
[04:26] <subterrific> whiprush: me too
[04:26] <whiprush> O_O
[04:26] <subterrific> intel8x0
[04:26] <whiprush> me too
[04:26] <Slackeerb> subterrific: where do i get that?
[04:26] <subterrific> you must have something configured wrong
[04:26] <whiprush> I have totem-xine though, do I need to change it to use alsa?
[04:26] <whiprush> I must.
[04:26] <subterrific> Slackeerb: not sure, i don't use it on ubuntu
[04:26] <subterrific> whiprush: i have totem-xine too...hmm
[04:26] <daniels> i have an ac97
[04:27] <whiprush> do you have an .asoundrc?
[04:27] <eazel7> daniels: I understain you
[04:27] <eazel7> daniels: I have the same
[04:27] <subterrific> whiprush: yeah, its at work though and we just moved offices today and the new office doesn't have internet yet, so i can't give you my .asoundrc
[04:28] <whiprush> ok
[04:28] <whiprush> I can wait
[04:28] <whiprush> I've waited long enough. @_@
[04:28] <subterrific> i pretty much used the one from alsa-project.org, but i did have to modify it slightly
[04:28] <whiprush> hmmm
[04:28] <whiprush> So did I.
[04:28] <whiprush> I must have messed it up then
[04:28] <whiprush> Mine was all laggy and skippy, cpu load maxed out, etc. etc.
[04:28] <subterrific> the big thing is the !default section
[04:29] <subterrific> you gotta have that
[04:29] <subterrific> whiprush: what cpu?
[04:29] <whiprush> 3ghz p4.
[04:29] <subterrific> heh, that should be plenty
[04:29] <hornbeck> has anyone tried compiling dbus-cvs on Ubuntu?
[04:29] <whiprush> heh, yeah, by far
[04:31] <subterrific> are there any good gtk edonkey clients?
[04:31] <daniels> whiprush: nope
[04:31] <daniels> whiprush: then again, I don't do dmix, and just live with single-open
[04:31] <subterrific> it seems like they're all emule ports by crazy germans, and they all crash on launch, hehe
[04:31] <whiprush> yargh
[04:32] <whiprush> I know I'm going to give up and just buy that creative card that does everything in hardware.
[04:32] <subterrific> daniels: well if you and whiprush are around tomorrow i'll give you my asoundrc, and it should work fine
[04:33] <whiprush> I typically don't notice, since I'm running rb and muine all the time, and that blocks gaim from making noises, which is a big usability gain for me. :p
[04:33] <Slackeerb> whiprush: once you have that how two done you should send me a link or the file. =) so i can put it on a disc
[04:33] <subterrific> there is also a way to tell ALSA to let multiple apps that are using OSS access the sound card at the same time
[04:34] <whiprush> subterrific: probably best to just post it to the list then
[04:34] <daniels> subterrific: cool
[04:34] <whiprush> surely we can't be the only ac97 dudes around
[04:34] <subterrific> oh yeah, i forgot i subscribed to the list
[04:34] <subterrific> whiprush: well i've already helped like 10 people with ALSA on irc
[04:35] <Slackeerb> whiprush: once you have that how two done you should send me a link or the file. =) so i can put it on a disc. (i spelled your name wronge lol sorry)
[04:35] <whiprush> heh
[04:36] <whiprush> well, if sub just posts to the list we'll all be ok.
[04:36] <Slackeerb> i was talking about the java thing
[04:37] <whiprush> Slackeerb: oh oh, I will
[04:37] <Slackeerb> whiprush: ok thx. =)
[04:38] <Slackeerb> i still cant listen to two things a once but atleast sound works in totem
[04:41] <subterrific> ok, hold on, i think i remember what all i had in asoundrc
[04:43] <subterrific> give this a try: http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc
[04:43] <subterrific> rename it to: .asoundrc and put it in your home directory
[04:43] <subterrific> then relaunch all apps that use ALSA
[04:45] <Slackeerb> should i do that?
[04:45] <subterrific> yeah
[04:45] <Slackeerb> k =)
[04:46] <Slackeerb> done
[04:46] <subterrific> k, so start something playing in totem, then try playing something else in rhythmbox at the same time
[04:47] <subterrific> and try: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav at the same time too
[04:47] <Slackeerb> now i get error "ALSA device 'default: doesnt exist"
[04:48] <subterrific> hrm
[04:48] <WW> Hmm... I just noticed that in sections of the task bar at the top of the screen, parts of it appear to have an extra pixels worth of height.
[04:49] <WW> It's like it drew the original task bar with one height, but then it updates it with a height the is one line less.
[04:49] <subterrific> Slackeerb: i see the problem, hold on a sec
[04:50] <Slackeerb> kz =)
[04:50] <whiprush> you know, someday, when someone fixes sound in linux, we'll all look back on this and laugh.
[04:51] <Slackeerb> hopefully that day will be next week wendsday. =)
[04:52] <subterrific> k, get the file again or change this line: pcm "hw:1,0" to pcm "hw:0,0"
[04:52] <subterrific> that should do it
[04:52] <WW> Does anyone else see that?
[04:53] <subterrific> WW: you talking about right by Applications Computer ?
[04:53] <subterrific> there is a bevel
[04:53] <subterrific> but no bevel on the rest of the panel
[04:53] <subterrific> i think its a bug in the theme, cause on my gentoo box the entire panel has a bevel
[04:54] <WW> subterrific: Try this: go to a blank part of the task bar, right-click, but then move the cursor away and click on the desktop.
[04:54] <subterrific> WW: no chang
[04:54] <subterrific> e
[04:54] <subterrific> Slackeerb: does it work now?
[04:55] <WW> On mine, after the little popup menu goes away, the task bar is one pixel thinner.
[04:55] <subterrific> whiprush: can you give it a try too? http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc
[04:55] <whiprush> yeah sec
[04:56] <Slackeerb> subterrific: it works! =)
[04:56] <subterrific> awesome
[04:57] <whiprush> subterrific: works for me
[04:57] <whiprush> dude
[04:57] <whiprush> you _rule_
[04:57] <Slackeerb> subterrific: if you ever make a how to about this id be very thank full if you e-mailed it to me. whiprush: I would asl be very thankfull if you e-mailed me the java how to once its done. =)
[04:57] <Slackeerb> also*
[04:58] <subterrific> sure, i'll work on it right now. i'd like to work with the ubuntu folks to just make this stuff Just Work
[04:58] <Slackeerb> yes i agree! Just working is the best. =)
[04:58] <schweeb> subterrific: I already mentioned dmix to jdub
[04:59] <schweeb> as he was working on an esound replacement
[04:59] <schweeb> he sounded interested
[04:59] <schweeb> at least a bit
[05:00] <subterrific> schweeb: cool, i've got a kernel patch pending for ubuntu that adds the latest ALSA and a few more drivers. don't think its going to make it into hoary though
[05:00] <schweeb> you an alsa guy, or just know a decent bit about it?
[05:01] <subterrific> i guess i became an ALSA guy last weekend when i spent the entire weekend trying to add a driver to the kernel to support this crappy Dell OEM SB Live i've got ;)
[05:02] <schweeb> heh
[05:05] <toyowheelin> hello, dose anyone know how to specify what sound card to use in this os? I have 2 sound cards and I think it just automaticly chose one but its the wrong one
[05:06] <lifeless> toyowheelin: there were folk talking about that just a minute ago.
[05:06] <lifeless> I'm sure they're not too far away :)
[05:06] <subterrific> toyowheelin: thats a good one
[05:06] <toyowheelin> oh...just goot here
[05:06] <toyowheelin> *got
[05:06] <lifeless> are you scottish :)
[05:06] <toyowheelin> no just cant spell worth a damn
[05:06] <subterrific> toyowheelin: first, run gstreamer-properties and switch everything to use ALSA instead of OSS
[05:07] <subterrific> lifeless: haha
[05:08] <toyowheelin> k done
[05:10] <phlaegel> I had to use a simple asoundrc so that my tv card wouldn't be the default output...
[05:10] <schweeb> hrm, I swear gstreamer-properties used to be in gnome-control-center
[05:10] <Slackeerb> schweeb: it is on mandrake
[05:10] <schweeb> ah, advanced
[05:11] <subterrific> schweeb: yeah i'm pretty sure it should still be there, ubuntu just forgot it ;)
[05:11] <schweeb> no, it's there
[05:11] <Slackeerb> i dont see it?
[05:11] <schweeb> but not in the "computer" menu
[05:11] <subterrific> i mean in the menu
[05:11] <subterrific> right
[05:11] <eazel7> sorry guys, but I've seen in one gnome session that the nice applications / computer ubuntu menu wasn't translated
[05:11] <eazel7> may I help?
[05:11] <schweeb> type "gnome-control-center"
[05:11] <eazel7> how can I translate it?
[05:11] <schweeb> and go to advanced
[05:11] <Slackeerb> ahhh
[05:11] <Slackeerb> thx =)
[05:12] <schweeb> it's called "multimedia systems selector"
[05:13] <schweeb> there a reason you guys didn't make gstreamer-properties easily accessible from a menu?
[05:13] <toyowheelin> it says that it failed to construct the testpipeline for ALSA
[05:13] <schweeb> is something already using the device?
[05:14] <schweeb> gaim/esound/?
[05:14] <toyowheelin> oh...wups yeah
[05:14] <toyowheelin> but it still isnt making no noise
[05:14] <subterrific> toyowheelin: after you did that gstreamer thing, you need to quit all apps using the sound card
[05:14] <toyowheelin> oh
[05:14] <toyowheelin> ok
[05:15] <subterrific> then go to Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control
[05:15] <subterrific> and unmute channels and turn the volume up
[05:15] <toyowheelin> woah it says I have 4 sound cards in volume control
[05:15] <subterrific> ALSA defaults to being muted and turned off
[05:15] <subterrific> toyowheelin: yeah, 2 for ALSA and 2 for ALSA emulating OSS
[05:16] <toyowheelin> oh
[05:16] <schweeb> subterrific: and thank god for that... when my pc speaker is unmuted, it's loud as hell
[05:16] <Tjoklat> subterrific
[05:16] <subterrific> schweeb: hehe pc speaker
[05:16] <subterrific> Tjoklat: yo
[05:16] <Tjoklat> I am sorry, the options I was talking about is in xscreensaver/advanced
[05:16] <Tjoklat> :)
[05:17] <subterrific> Tjoklat: ok, well we figured out what it is
[05:17] <Tjoklat> what was it sub?
[05:17] <subterrific> Tjoklat: its the smp kernel in combination with a P4 /w HyperThreading
[05:18] <toyowheelin> humm IDK whats up with this thing
[05:18] <Tjoklat> ah, so what did you do to fix it? I just rebuilt my kernel
[05:18] <TongMaster> Tjoklat, did you have the mac with a 9200 card?
[05:18] <subterrific> Tjoklat: at least someone commented on the bug and said he had the same problem and had to turn off hyperthreading and use the 686 or 386 kernel w/ no smpo
[05:19] <subterrific> toyowheelin: ?
[05:19] <toyowheelin> still no sound
[05:19] <Tjoklat> great that it got fixed sub, TM, no just normal pc
[05:19] <Tjoklat> but the 2.6.8 kernel is buggy
[05:19] <subterrific> yeah its a lemon
[05:20] <subterrific> i found another way to lock it up
[05:20] <Tjoklat> the only issue I am having is the mp3 props in nautilus
[05:20] <subterrific> boot with no network cable and then run evolution and try to check email. that brought my machine to a crawl :\
[05:21] <schweeb> you sure that's not an evolution problem?
[05:21] <subterrific> schweeb: evolution shouldn't be able to lock up the machine
[05:21] <schweeb> evolution isn't exactly resource friendly
[05:21] <subterrific> thats a kernel issue
[05:21] <eazel7> resource friendly?
[05:21] <schweeb> what's your definition of "a crawl"
[05:22] <eazel7> you mean low consumption?
[05:22] <subterrific> schweeb: not even being able to switch to a virtual term
[05:22] <whiprush> on my machine evolution isn't the problem
[05:22] <toyowheelin> anyone know why when I installed ubunto it nolonger gives the option to boot into windows?
[05:22] <whiprush> it's evolution-data-server
[05:22] <subterrific> having xfree totally stop drawing
[05:22] <eazel7> my english isn't so good, sorry
[05:22] <whiprush> it must leak or something
[05:22] <schweeb> undoubtedly
[05:22] <whiprush> Mine at work hit like, 600mb
[05:22] <mdz> schweeb: yes, gstreamer-properties came up on the mailing list already
[05:22] <mdz> schweeb: because the dialog is unintuitive and shouldn't be necessary for users
[05:23] <Tjoklat> toy.. when the puter starts up.. you have to hit escape to get a menu
[05:23] <schweeb> mdz: yea... how bout setting it to alsa by default?
[05:23] <toyowheelin> oh ok...
[05:23] <mdz> schweeb: why?
[05:23] <Tjoklat> it is a bit fuzzy
[05:23] <Tjoklat> but I like how it is
[05:23] <toyowheelin> Tjoklat, im used to lilo
[05:23] <Tjoklat> hit escape and you get the menu with windows in it
[05:24] <mdz> currently we standardise on OSS because the userland is more stable that way
[05:24] <schweeb> true
[05:24] <Tjoklat> ah, you'll like grub toy :)
[05:24] <schweeb> i've not had much of any problem with alsa at all
[05:24] <whiprush> I have
[05:24] <schweeb> gstreamer used to suck w/ alsa, but now it appears to have stabilised
[05:24] <schweeb> whiprush: what now?
[05:24] <toyowheelin> Im also used to mandrake but decided to go with ubuntu because mandrake 64 is "borken"
[05:24] <subterrific> mdz: i hear that, but i've told at least 10 people to switch to ALSA and everyone loves being able to do multichannel audio and no problems reported so far
[05:24] <toyowheelin> *"broken"
[05:25] <subterrific> mdz: plus, all it is changing is gstreamer, is gstreamer-alsa really that buggy?
[05:25] <whiprush> not anymore
[05:25] <whiprush> it used to _suck_.
[05:25] <whiprush> like, bad.
[05:25] <mdz> subterrific: multichannel as in >2?
[05:25] <schweeb> heh
[05:25] <schweeb> yes, mdz
[05:25] <schweeb> with dmix
[05:25] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:26] <Tjoklat> I am able to play any mp3.. it just look crapiola in properties
[05:26] <Tjoklat> which is really disturbing me
[05:26] <whiprush> dunno man, all I remember is that alsa is supposed to be all sweet, and I end up spending more time fixing my alsa stuff than I ever did with oss.
[05:26] <schweeb> another annoying default is the locale
[05:26] <Tjoklat> gives me errors about image can't be displayed
[05:26] <subterrific> mdz: yes, having more than one app access the sound card. gaim + totem, gaim + rhythmbox
[05:26] <whiprush> so if someone fixes that upstream, then I'm happy.
[05:26] <mdz> schweeb: ok, that's something else
[05:26] <mdz> multichannel means audio streams with more than one channel
[05:26] <mdz> subterrific: if your card can do the mixing, it should work with both OSS and ALSA
[05:27] <mdz> mine does
[05:27] <eazel7> I know that what I use to do is stupid but: alsa + oss_emu + esd
[05:27] <schweeb> mdz: most of us seem to be stuck with intel8x0 + ac97
[05:27] <schweeb> another annoying default is the locale
[05:27] <eazel7> that's what I do, because many programs still uses oss
[05:27] <schweeb> I tell the installer en_US
[05:27] <Tjoklat> sub.. when you right click on props.. what does your audio/video tab say?
[05:27] <toyowheelin> brb im gonna reboot maybe the sound will fix itself
[05:27] <schweeb> and the locale is set to POSIX
[05:27] <schweeb> ;_;
[05:28] <subterrific> Tjoklat: what app?
[05:28] <Tjoklat> just in nautilus
[05:28] <Tjoklat> pick a mp3
[05:28] <Tjoklat> right click to see props
[05:28] <Tjoklat> then go to the audio/vid tab
[05:28] <Tjoklat> what does yours say?
[05:29] <mdz> subterrific: see bug 1481 for discussion
[05:29] <subterrific> gives me General with id3 tags, Video is greyed out Audio is Bitrate and Codec
[05:29] <mdz> subterrific: basically we need to use esd, and esd and ALSA don't get along
[05:29] <mdz> we hope to get rid of esd for hoary
[05:29] <Tjoklat> dang
[05:29] <Tjoklat> so it is me
[05:29] <subterrific> mdz: k, looking
[05:29] <whiprush> Dude I hope to get rid of esd for the sake of humanity
[05:29] <Tjoklat> I winder what is a miss
[05:29] <schweeb> lol
[05:29] <Tjoklat> winder: wonder
[05:29] <whiprush> hoary will just be a lucky side effect
[05:29] <mdz> subterrific: if you have more information to add, please do
[05:30] <schweeb> the best quote ever is the Alan Cox one
[05:30] <eazel7> I'd love to see an esd-compatible daemon based on gstreamer
[05:30] <schweeb> about ESD
[05:30] <Tjoklat> what is your default player for mp3 sub?
[05:30] <tseng> schweeb: yep
[05:30] <Tjoklat> mine is set to totem.. perhaps it doesn't like that
[05:30] <eazel7> isn't my idea possible?
[05:30] <schweeb> tseng:heh
[05:30] <schweeb> tseng: anything good going on at oftc, or everyone asleep?
[05:30] <Tjoklat> wb toy
[05:30] <whiprush> hmmm, any chance of spamassassin 3 making it to warty? I'd hate to be stuck with 2.64 for evolution.
[05:31] <toyowheelin> ok that didnt work and durring reboot I tried 'esc' and it dint have windows in there
[05:31] <toyowheelin> :/
[05:31] <schweeb> whiprush: chances - unlikely
[05:31] <Tjoklat> you changed something in grub?
[05:31] <toyowheelin> no
[05:31] <schweeb> whiprush: they're like sarge dude... version freeze... bugfixes only
[05:31] <whiprush> hey man.
[05:31] <WW> Multimedia noob question: Playing CDs, or playing oggs with rhythmbox, gives a certain volume.  When I play a DVD with totem-xine, the volume is much lower.  Is this typical, or can I tweak something to equalize these?
[05:31] <subterrific> Tjoklat: totem too i think
[05:31] <whiprush> I can hope
[05:31] <whiprush> and I don't see<EMAIL_ADDRESS>do I?
[05:31] <toyowheelin> default install with the exception that I pointed it to the correct partition
[05:31] <schweeb> :p
[05:31] <subterrific> Tjoklat: yeah totem, i can't even change it from Totem, fun bugs :)
[05:31] <whiprush> that's right.
[05:32] <Tjoklat> waaa that is odd
[05:32] <Tjoklat> maybe I  need to finish updating the box
[05:32] <Tjoklat> see what happens then
[05:35] <subterrific> mdz: esd wasn't running by default on any machine i installed ubuntu on, why do you need it?
[05:35] <mdz> subterrific: to share the sound device, because mixing doesn't work with many sound cards
[05:35] <toyowheelin> ok yeah that royaly screwed up somethin...now it says the ALSA device 'default' is already in use
[05:35] <subterrific> mdz: thats what dmix with ALSA is for, right?
[05:36] <schweeb> mdz: which is why we suggested dmix ;)  it does software mixing
[05:36] <subterrific> it works a lot better
[05:36] <schweeb> I mentioned it to jdub, he seemed to be interested
[05:36] <subterrific> unlimited mixing channels
[05:36] <mdz> the decision was that dmix was not up to par
[05:36] <schweeb> since he was working on that esd compatible thingy
[05:36] <mdz> it's mentioned specifically in the bug comments
[05:37] <mdz> if you have more accurate information, by all means comment on the bug
[05:37] <subterrific> mdz: i see no mention of dmix
[05:37] <schweeb> subterrific: what's the URL to your dmix asoundrc?
[05:37] <mdz> search the page for dmix
[05:37] <subterrific> http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc
[05:38] <subterrific> mdz: oh, find in firefox preview is just borked or i'm not using it right
[05:38] <tseng> schweeb: nm happening
[05:38] <whiprush> mdz: hey is type ahead all sorts of hosed for you?
[05:38] <whiprush> er, I meant subterrific
[05:38] <schweeb> whoa
[05:38] <whiprush> in 1.0pr
[05:38] <subterrific> mdz: "Perhaps we
[05:38] <schweeb> no shit
[05:38] <subterrific> can work on some ALSA dmix autoconfiguration for Hoary, but it's Hard."
[05:38] <schweeb> 1.0preview went in?
[05:38] <schweeb> fucking nice
[05:38] <whiprush> today
[05:38] <whiprush> tonite
[05:39] <schweeb> I'm a slave to my regular apt-get upgrades though :p
[05:39] <subterrific> whiprush: yeah seems find is totally hosed in firefox PR
[05:39] <whiprush> schweeb: upgrade and test type-ahead-find would you?
[05:39] <subterrific> highlight works
[05:39] <whiprush> ok, that's three people I know of
[05:39] <schweeb> which one is type ahead find?
[05:39] <whiprush> that's it's borked with
[05:39] <natew> find works fine for me..
[05:40] <schweeb> the one where you just start typing and it finds links?
[05:40] <whiprush> right
[05:40] <schweeb> or the vi style one?
[05:40] <natew> yep
[05:40] <whiprush> I don't even get the toolbar thing
[05:40] <whiprush> it's just not working at all for me
[05:40] <schweeb> yea
[05:40] <schweeb> it's b0rked here too
[05:40] <schweeb> vi style as well
[05:40] <schweeb> try regenerating your profile?
[05:40] <whiprush> ugh
[05:40] <schweeb> just like good ol deb?
[05:41] <natew> mine was a fresh install.. <shrug>
[05:41] <whiprush> lemme su or something
[05:41] <schweeb> you know about mv, right :p
[05:41] <whiprush> yeah but you never know
[05:42] <schweeb> I know you're all into find . -exec rm -rf;
[05:42] <schweeb> er
[05:42] <whiprush> word
[05:42] <schweeb> find . -exec rm -rf {}
[05:42] <schweeb> or some shit like that
[05:42] <whiprush> nope, broken there too
[05:42] <schweeb> ;_;
[05:43] <justdave> if I get an error message when installing a package in synaptic, is there a way to copy the error message out of the terminal?  Shift+Control+C doesn't seem to work
[05:44] <whiprush> k, I don't see anything in mozilla's bugzilla
[05:44] <whiprush> nor ubuntu's.
[05:44] <schweeb> bugreport for whiprush then
[05:45] <whiprush> ugh, lemme snag an upstream tarball first
[05:45] <schweeb> make mdz work for his $$$ if it's a dupe :p
[05:45] <whiprush> wanna make sure
[05:46] <justdave> ah, got it...  it's one of those "whatever's selected is already on the clipboard" apps
[05:47] <WW> Just tried find in 1.0PR.  It's not working, but the highlighting is working.
[05:47] <whiprush> works with the mozilla.org tarball
[05:47] <sub_pop> when i try to load the Trash Applet, i get this message: Unable to acquire monitor of the Trash directory
[05:48] <justdave> I just did dist-upgrade...
[05:48] <sub_pop> what does that mean?
[05:48] <justdave> I can't even start firefox now.  get an XUL error
[05:48] <phlaegel> sweet, howl's in universe now
[05:48] <whiprush> phlaegel: jdub mentioned that a few hours ago, cool eh?
[05:48] <phlaegel> yep
[05:48] <whiprush> anyone else have anything to add to this firefox find-as-you-type deal before I file the bug?
[05:49] <schweeb> now if only someone could tell me something useful to do with DNS-SD...
[05:49] <schweeb> :p
[05:51] <whiprush> hey
[05:51] <phlaegel> well, the more available it is, the more likely it'll get used. I'm hoping gnome-user-share matures semi-quickly.
[05:51] <whiprush> find as you type worked with .9.3 right?
[05:51] <whiprush> it did for me anyway
[05:51] <sub_pop> ahh it was because fam died
[05:52] <toyowheelin> is there updates like everyday?
[05:52] <phlaegel> fabbione: ping
[05:53] <whiprush> schweeb: your find-as-you-type is totally broken right?
[05:53] <whiprush> toyowheelin: just about
[05:53] <schweeb> 100%
[05:53] <schweeb> start typing, nothin happens
[05:54] <whiprush> is everyone elses totally broken?
[05:54] <schweeb> press "/"
[05:54] <schweeb> start typing, nothin happens
[05:54] <whiprush> no bar pops up at the bottom either?
[05:54] <schweeb> right
[05:54] <toyowheelin> whiprush, how do I get these updates?
[05:54] <whiprush> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:54] <schweeb> the RSS aggregator looks to work though
[05:55] <whiprush> bug filed.
[05:56] <toyowheelin> lol looks like this is slowly filling my computer with 32bit progs :/
[05:56] <schweeb> umm
[05:56] <schweeb> whiprush
[05:57] <schweeb> whiprush:
[05:57] <toyowheelin> lol
[05:57] <whiprush> whut?
[05:57] <schweeb> did you look in the advanced prefs?
[05:57] <schweeb> how "use find as you type" is unchecked?
[05:57] <brad[] > There any way to make totem play with the xine backend? gstreamer isn't 100% useful for me
[05:57] <whiprush> awesome.
[05:57] <whiprush> ...
[05:58] <whiprush> wait
[05:58] <whiprush> mine still doesn't work
[05:58] <phlaegel> brad[] : install totem-xine
[05:58] <schweeb> restart
[05:58] <schweeb> it's still broke
[05:58] <schweeb> but partially functional
[05:58] <whiprush> bah
[05:58] <whiprush> k
[05:58] <schweeb> backspace doesn't work
[05:59] <brad[] > phlaegel: Doesn't seem listed?
[05:59] <whiprush> neither do ctrl-g
[05:59] <phlaegel> brad[] : have you enabled universe in /etc/apt/source.list ?
[05:59] <whiprush> and / for me
[05:59] <subterrific> mdz: k, i commented https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1481
[05:59] <toyowheelin> for these new updates to be applied do I have to reboot
[06:00] <brad[] > phlaegel: sec
[06:00] <toyowheelin> whiprush...?
[06:00] <brad[] > phlaegel: Out of curiosity what is universe?
[06:01] <brad[] > phlaegel: packages that don't meet QA or..?
[06:01] <toyowheelin> ok nevermind ill just do it and see
[06:01] <phlaegel> it's debian packages rebuilt for ubuntu. unsupported.
[06:01] <whiprush> toyowheelin:not really
[06:01] <whiprush> unless it's a kernel upgrade
[06:01] <brad[] > phlaegel: ah ok
[06:01] <whiprush> if it's a gnome update you should probably log out and back in
[06:02] <whiprush> usually it's no big deal though
[06:02] <whiprush> schweeb: that's weird, it shouldn't change my option like that.
[06:03] <punkass_> schweeb: was i talkin to you earlier about harddrive issues?
[06:04] <schweeb> yea
[06:04] <punkass_> k, well i plugged another drive in and it booted up fine...so must be something up with the that particular drive
[06:04] <justdave> firefox keeps track of whether you've changed a preference or not
[06:05] <whiprush> yeah
[06:05] <whiprush> but I tried an upstream tarball
[06:05] <justdave> if you've never touched that preference before and they change the default, it'll change.
[06:05] <whiprush> and it was the opposite preference
[06:05] <justdave> once you've manually touched it, it'll stick with what you put in it.
[06:05] <schweeb> dmix is workin perfectly here
[06:05] <whiprush> hmmm
[06:06] <punkass_> tho i am curious, i am using a rsync script to back up my main drive, so i have recreated all the partitions on the backup drive...am i able to make the second one bootable somehow?
[06:06] <punkass_> so when it fails and can just swap IDE cables
[06:07] <schweeb> you essentially want to do mirroring?
[06:07] <punkass_> yeah
[06:07] <schweeb> can't software RAID do mirroring? and most non OEM boards do RAID now...
[06:08] <punkass_> well i just want to do a nightly backup, not a realtime mirror
[06:08] <schweeb> easier and more reliable to do the realtime, IMO
[06:08] <schweeb> all it has to do is copy the same bits to both channels
[06:09] <punkass_> yeah...but its more common for someone to delete a file and want it back then a HD to fail
[06:10] <punkass_> and with using rsync its not a heavy load on the drive..
[06:10] <hornbeck> is jono in here?
[06:11] <punkass_> but as i was making the partitions i wondered if i could make the slave bootable as well
[06:16] <probs> what's the deal with sound on ubuntu? I had to change my gstreamer setting to get mp3 playback, but I still have no sound anywhere else.
[06:16] <probs> anybody else had that problem?
[06:17] <subterrific> probs: what did you change gsteamer to use?
[06:17] <probs> changed 'default sink' to 'esd'
[06:17] <wm_eddie> how does apt go about deciding wich package to download?
[06:17] <probs> no desktop sounds, no flash player sounds...
[06:17] <subterrific> probs: did you try ALSA?
[06:17] <wm_eddie> like if I have mplayer in universe and the mplayer in http://www.arslinux.com/~jorge/sources.list?
[06:17] <schweeb> you have to tell apps to use esd if you turn on esd
[06:17] <subterrific> esd really blows :\
[06:18] <schweeb> indeed
[06:18] <schweeb> I go to all lengths to avoid it
[06:18] <probs> I've tried testing others but they all crash
[06:18] <probs> why is esd the default?
[06:18] <schweeb> all lengths being not using software mixing
[06:18] <WW> Did you all get find in Firefox 1.0PR to work?  Doesn't work for me, even after changing Preferences->Advanced->Accessibility options.
[06:18] <subterrific> probs: i have no clue. lets see if we can't get ALSA working for you
[06:19] <probs> subterrific: that sounds awesome
[06:19] <schweeb> subterrific: yea, that dmix script works perfect for me
[06:19] <WW> Also, if I use highlighting, and type something, and then backspace to erase what I typed, any highlighted that occurred inside a form is not unhighlighted.
[06:19] <subterrific> quit all apps that use sound and go into gstreamer-properties and switch everything to use ALSA
[06:19] <WW> Bug 1628 says NOTABUG.
[06:19] <schweeb> if someone could write a simple app to auto generate a dmix asoundrc, it'd be sweet
[06:20] <subterrific> and then killall esd :)
[06:20] <probs> subterrific: okay..killing esd...
[06:20] <subterrific> schweeb: i'm going to see if i can do that
[06:20] <schweeb> I would, but don't have enough time, nor do I care to learn about dmix now
[06:21] <schweeb> plus, my app wouldn't exacly be HIG compliant :p
[06:21] <probs> subterrific: okay...dead:)
[06:21] <subterrific> probs: now start some audio playing in rhythmbox or something and then go into Applications->Multimedia->Volume Control and unmute your output channels and turn up the volume until you hear something :)
[06:21] <schweeb> whiprush: ...
[06:21] <schweeb> whiprush: why did you mark NOTABUG?
[06:21] <subterrific> probs: also do you know what sound card and driver you're using?
[06:22] <schweeb> whiprush: it's a bug in ubuntu's package, doesn't matter if it works in the tarball
[06:22] <probs> subterrific: yeah..nforce2 mobo w/ ac97...
[06:22] <probs> subterrific: rhythmbox crash:)
[06:24] <subterrific> probs: thats no good. try totem?
[06:25] <probs> subterrific: hey...totem works!
[06:25] <subterrific> rhythmbox has some other stability problems
[06:25] <subterrific> ok, now. use paste.plone.org and show me the output from lsmod
[06:26] <probs> subterrific: uh...sorry...what's paste.plone.org?
[06:27] <subterrific> http://
[06:27] <probs> subterrific: wow..that's neat:)
[06:27] <subterrific> its a public paste board
[06:27] <subterrific> yeah
[06:28] <probs> okay..it's there (I guess)
[06:30] <subterrific> probs: ok, now download this: http://subterrific.net/~jason/intel8x0_asoundrc and save it to .asoundrc in your home directory
[06:30] <subterrific> now you've got multichannel mixing, so multiple apps (like gaim + totem + rhythmbox) can all play audio at the same time
[06:31] <whiprush> schweeb: I looked it up on mozilla's bugzilla
[06:31] <subterrific> i think you might need to restart totem, but play audio in totem and then type this on the command line: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav
[06:31] <whiprush> they changed the behaviour upstream
[06:31] <whiprush> so, it's not an ubuntu bug
[06:32] <schweeb> it is
[06:32] <schweeb> it needs to be fixed in the package
[06:32] <whiprush> dude try it on the upstream tarball
[06:32] <schweeb> i.e. repackaged
[06:32] <whiprush> they shut it off
[06:33] <whiprush> they even blogged about it
[06:33] <whiprush> I'm 90% sure it's notabug.
[06:33] <schweeb> give me the link, so I can more clearly understand your insanity
[06:33] <probs> subterrific: beautiful...I think it worked:)
[06:33] <subterrific> probs: rock
[06:33] <whiprush> schweeb: rol, in all irony, I made a new profile inbetween.
[06:33] <subterrific> probs: if you wanna stick around maybe i can help you fix rhythmbox
[06:34] <probs> subterrific: now if I could figure out why rhythmbox crashes?
[06:34] <whiprush> but if you think you're right, just reopen it then.
[06:34] <probs> subterrific: yeah! sure! if you're up to it:)
[06:34] <schweeb> link to mozilla shit, whiprush
[06:34] <schweeb> are you saying the 1.0PR in ubuntu is behaving as it should?
[06:35] <whiprush> schweeb: new profile, no history
[06:35] <whiprush> yeah, I'm pretty sure
[06:35] <schweeb> ...
[06:35] <schweeb> why did you not use mv, whiprush
[06:35] <schweeb> you suck.
[06:35] <schweeb> `whiprushed
[06:35] <whiprush> I'll look into it more tomorrow
[06:35] <subterrific> probs: do you have gdb installed?
[06:36] <whiprush> ken's find-as-you-type in ubuntu is only half broken
[06:36] <whiprush> after upgrading to 1.0pr
[06:36] <schweeb> subterrific: have him start it from the command line first, and look at the output it spews to the console
[06:36] <schweeb> subterrific: it's generally a more useful start
[06:36] <probs> subterrific: yup
[06:36] <WW> whiprush: Is the highlighting in forms a separate problem?
[06:36] <whiprush> I don't even get to that part.
[06:40] <subterrific> probs: do that, run it from a terminal
[06:40] <subterrific> if there is any meaningful output before it crashes, use paste.plone.org :)
[06:42] <Treenaks> Hey! in-page find broke in firefox
[06:42] <fabbione> morning guys
[06:42] <wm_eddie> um no
[06:42] <Treenaks> hi fabbione
[06:42] <wm_eddie> Treenaks: You have to turn it on.
[06:42] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: I did..
[06:43] <wm_eddie> and it still doesn't work?
[06:43] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: it doesn't work if I do Ctrl+F either
[06:43] <whiprush> ugh
[06:43] <whiprush> I turned mine on
[06:43] <wm_eddie> hmm interesting...
[06:43] <whiprush> and it worked
[06:43] <wm_eddie> mine too
[06:43] <wm_eddie> try pressing / and then trying
[06:43] <whiprush> yeah well, something is up
[06:43] <Treenaks> I even removed my .mozilla directory.. no change
[06:43] <whiprush> because we've been finding odd behaviour with it
[06:43] <Treenaks> wm_eddie: no..
[06:43] <whiprush> my coworker has it working about 50% of the time.
[06:43] <whiprush> it's weird.
[06:44] <Treenaks> hey
[06:44] <Treenaks> if I restart after setting the option in the 'Preferences' screen, it seems to work
[06:44] <whiprush> Treenaks: yeah me too
[06:45] <Treenaks> ctrl+f is still broken
[06:45] <whiprush> try ctrl-g
[06:45] <whiprush> for "next link"
[06:45] <whiprush> broken for you too?
[06:45] <Treenaks> I know
[06:45] <Treenaks> ctrl+g is broken, yes
[06:45] <Treenaks> highlight works though (in the "ctrl+f bar")
[06:46] <whiprush> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1628
[06:46] <whiprush> can you reopen that then?
[06:46] <probs> subterrific: gdb doesn't give anything more useful than this:
[06:46] <probs> rhythmbox: pcm.c:2094: snd_pcm_wait: Assertion `err == 1' failed.
[06:47] <probs> subterrific: I can hear the first second of the song before it crashes
[06:47] <Treenaks> whiprush: ij
[06:47] <Treenaks> ok
[06:48] <subterrific> probs: i had that happen to me too. it was because i tried to play a wma file or something
[06:48] <probs> subterrific: hmm...I think these are all mp3s..but let me make sure
[06:49] <whiprush> Treenaks: ugh, I thought I had figured it out, but just reopen it and add your info, specifically the restarting bit.
[06:49] <whiprush> someone smart will figure it out.
[06:49] <Treenaks> whiprush: it works on my SuSE install at work (ugh..)
[06:49] <probs> subterrific: it's kind of strange...when I run gstreamer-properties, the 'tests' both crash when I'm using alsa as well.
[06:50] <schweeb> are you sure alsa works, probs ?
[06:50] <schweeb> er s/alsa/sound/
[06:51] <subterrific> probs: what kernel are you using?
[06:51] <probs> schweeb: no..not sure..but I thought so...
[06:51] <subterrific> and is this a fresh ubuntu install?
[06:51] <probs> subterrific: default ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS>-2-386
[06:52] <subterrific> probs: i've got a kernel that adds the latest ALSA stuff, if you want to try it
[06:52] <schweeb> are you running on a dell laptop perchance?
[06:52] <probs> schweeb: nope...homemade desktop:)
[06:53] <subterrific> probs: i'd also suggest upgrading everything via apt/synaptic first too
[06:53] <probs> subterrific: sure..is it one you built?
[06:53] <subterrific> there have been quiet a few updates
[06:53] <probs> subterrific: yeah, I just updated everything a few hours ago
[06:53] <WW> whiprush: If you're not completely sick of this yet... try this: Go to the bug 1628 page, and scroll so that the Summary field in visible.  Then ctrl-F and type Find.  The text inside the form will be highlighted.  Now backspace to delete the Find that you typed.  The highlight up in the form remains.
[06:53] <Tjoklat> <-- still updating
[06:53] <WW> s/in v/is v/
[06:54] <subterrific> probs: yeah, its the stock ubuntu kernel with the latest ALSA patch from alsa-project.org
[06:55] <crimsun> "latest" being 1.0.6a or 1.0.7rc1 or newer/
[06:55] <probs> subterrific: would it be easier for me to just patch it?
[06:55] <crimsun> i've been using 1.0.7rc1 with no probs
[06:55] <subterrific> probs: maybe try restarting too, 2.6.8 kernel seems kind of iffy, and who knows what esd does ;)
[06:56] <hornbeck> does anyone else get errors on apt-get update?
[06:56] <crimsun> what sort of errors?
[06:56] <crimsun> gzip ones from the sources?
[06:56] <hornbeck> yeah
[06:56] <crimsun> just try again in 5 mins.
[06:56] <hornbeck> I get it all the time though
[06:56] <crimsun> you caught it when it was recreating them, more than likely.
[06:56] <hornbeck> ahh
[06:57] <crimsun> they're redone every 30 mins (from earlier)
[06:57] <hornbeck> I guess it is right on the dot for when I update
[06:58] <probs> subterrific: okay...restarting;) I'll try the alsa patch if nothing changes.
[07:02] <whiprush> WW: heh. that works for me, believe it or not
[07:03] <WW> Hmmm...
[07:04] <toyowheelin> well I figured out my audio issue
[07:04] <toyowheelin> or atleast fixed it in xmms
[07:05] <subterrific> toyowheelin: what'd you do?
[07:06] <toyowheelin> the system wants to use alsa "default" in xmms I specified hw:1,0 in the alsa configure thingy
[07:06] <toyowheelin> xmms is the only working sound ATM
[07:07] <subterrific> toyowheelin: paste your asoundrc http://paste.plone.org/ for me to see
[07:07] <toyowheelin> my what?
[07:07] <subterrific> oh, you're not using an asoundrc file?
[07:07] <toyowheelin> I dont know what one is
[07:08] <toyowheelin> or where to find it
[07:08] <subterrific> ahh, you can specify alsa defaults in your home/.asoundrc
[07:08] <crimsun> or /etc/asound.conf
[07:08] <toyowheelin> oh...so which one you wanna see?
[07:08] <toyowheelin> /etc/ or /home/
[07:09] <subterrific> well if you haven't made one, neither will be there
[07:09] <crimsun> doesn't matter. The one in ~ overrides.
[07:09] <toyowheelin> oh
[07:09] <toyowheelin> ok
[07:09] <toyowheelin> yeah nether one exists
[07:11] <subterrific> toyowheelin: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=.asoundrc
[07:11] <subterrific> thats a good read
[07:12] <subterrific> it even tells you how to use two sound cards as if they were one
[07:12] <subterrific> which might interest you
[07:12] <toyowheelin> cool...I might need to make one...stuff might actually work than
[07:13] <subterrific> i think it definitely will
[07:13] <probs> subterrific: okay, after reboot I am back to the error from a few days ago where it says 'alsa device default is used by another program'
[07:13] <toyowheelin> well the only reason I have 2 sound cards is so I can play flightsim in winxp with my gameport joystick
[07:13] <subterrific> probs: what is saying that?
[07:13] <toyowheelin> the pci soundcard is just there for the gameport
[07:13] <probs> subterrific: rhythmbox
[07:14] <subterrific> probs: Desktop Preferences->Sound do you have Enable sound server startup  checked?
[07:14] <subterrific> if so, uncheck that. that starts esd...bad bad bad
[07:15] <probs> subterrific: ah, yes that seems to have been the problem, so now rhythmbox crashes again:)
[07:16] <subterrific> probs: use paste.plone to show me the output from lsof | grep snd
[07:17] <probs> subterrific: okay it's there
[07:18] <probs> subterrific: you know, my card shows up in /proc/asound/cards too
[07:18] <subterrific> hmm, ok. does the test stuff crash in gstreamer-properties?
[07:18] <probs> subterrific: yep, every time
[07:19] <probs> subterrific: for everything except esd:)
[07:19] <schweeb> ps aux | grep esd
[07:19] <schweeb> or maybe esound
[07:19] <subterrific> well i hate to ask you to do this again, but now that esd is disabled and won't start, try restarting again
[07:20] <subterrific> probs: i seriously think esd is your problem
[07:20] <schweeb> esd is shyte
[07:20] <toyowheelin> hum you know there should be a tool for doing this so you dont gotta edit the .asoundrc file
[07:20] <toyowheelin> :/
[07:20] <subterrific> i've walked like 10 people through this with your exact same card/driver setup and no one has had problems
[07:20] <probs> schweeb: yeah there is: /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps
[07:20] <subterrific> toyowheelin: working on it ;)
[07:20] <schweeb> restart gnome then
[07:20] <subterrific> probs: killall -9 esd
[07:20] <subterrific> hskjadhjkdhasda
[07:20] <subterrific> hehe
[07:21] <subterrific> thing is like a plague
[07:21] <probs> subterrific: okay...thanks:) rebooting:)
[07:21] <schweeb> no need to reboot
[07:21] <schweeb> only logoff/login
[07:21] <schweeb> or killall esd
[07:21] <probs> killed all esd, but still no go:(
[07:22] <toyowheelin> subterrific, I kinda feel bad making demands on the development team because I have so little to offer to projects but this is one thing that should definately have a gui tool :)
[07:22] <subterrific> probs: restart with gstreamer set to ALSA and sound server startup disabled
[07:23] <subterrific> i really think esd is somehow screwing ALSA
[07:23] <probs> subterrific: okay:)
[07:23] <schweeb> toyowheelin: helping make it a good, simple desktop by filing bugreports/feature requests for the devs
[07:23] <schweeb> is good
[07:23] <schweeb> that's your contribution
[07:24] <toyowheelin> yeah but it feels like im just being a leach
[07:24] <toyowheelin> :)
[07:24] <subterrific> toyowheelin: it should. sound is something that needs to Just Work, and ALSA is getting really close to making it happen, but its so new still
[07:24] <subterrific> ALSA hasn't really been an option until very recently
[07:24] <toyowheelin> ya
[07:25] <schweeb> subterrific: problem is lots of people just give up and go back to OSS tather than trying to make it work properly
[07:25] <schweeb> *rather
[07:25] <subterrific> schweeb: yup, and people like probs end up trying esd and it breaks everything
[07:26] <schweeb> ugh
[07:26] <toyowheelin> is alsa true full duplex sound?
[07:26] <schweeb> I'd honestly rather live with no mixing than esd
[07:26] <schweeb> and have so far
[07:26] <subterrific> probs: ps aux | grep esd ;-)
[07:26] <subterrific> hehe
[07:27] <subterrific> no esd right?
[07:27] <probs> subterrific: :D
[07:27] <probs> nope, but guess what? rhythbox still hates me:)
[07:28] <subterrific> probs: ok, well at least now we know it really is an ALSA problem and you can try the new kernel if you'd like
[07:28] <subterrific> probs: and does the gstreamer-properties test sound still crash?
[07:28] <subterrific> i guess it could also be a problem with gstreamer-alsa...
[07:28] <probs> subterrific: yup, just like rhythmbox
[07:29] <Tjoklat> is installing xmms a bad idea?
[07:29] <subterrific> Tjoklat: i think so :\
[07:29] <toyowheelin> one thing that I love about this project and dint like so much with mandrake is that this project is staying on top of the latest versions of programs and mandrake was like way behind
[07:29] <subterrific> Tjoklat: its really personal preference though
[07:29] <subterrific> toyowheelin: me too
[07:29] <schweeb> I like beep-media-player
[07:30] <probs> subterrific: you know...I just realized, I think the reason totme was working is because I uninstalled the gstreamer version and installed the xine version a while back
[07:30] <Tjoklat> I don't like xmms
[07:30] <subterrific> probs: maybe, i think xine might be using ALSA though
[07:30] <toyowheelin> once ubuntu gets KDE though I will be extreamly happy
[07:30] <Tjoklat> but to fire up a whole juke like rhytm..
[07:30] <subterrific> probs: see if aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/train.wav works
[07:30] <Tjoklat> I was hoping for beep
[07:30] <schweeb> xine can use alsa, definitely
[07:30] <Tjoklat> I am glad there isn't kde
[07:30] <Tjoklat> sorry toy
[07:30] <schweeb> Tjoklat: beep is in universe
[07:30] <probs> subterrific: yeah, that's what I was thinking...maybe the problem is just with gstreamer and not alsa?
[07:31] <probs> subterrific: yep it plays perfectly
[07:31] <toyowheelin> I have just "grown up" on KDE and prefer it over gnome...I feel lost in gnome
[07:31] <Tjoklat> schweeb thanks... a bit worried about using  universe
[07:31] <subterrific> probs: hrm, thats pointing to gstreamer then
[07:31] <Tjoklat> isn't that the pool that breaks things?
[07:31] <schweeb> well
[07:31] <schweeb> there aren't any package name collisions afaik
[07:32] <schweeb> so you have to manually get stuff from universe
[07:32] <schweeb> i.e. if you add universe, then upgrade, nothing from main should be upgraded, ever
[07:32] <schweeb> so, only packages from universe, and packages from main that use what you install from universe are affected
[07:33] <subterrific> probs: try running gst-register-0.8
[07:33] <subterrific> and then running rhythmbox
[07:33] <toyowheelin> anyhoo im off to bed gnight
[07:33] <probs> subterrific: arrgh...nope
[07:34] <ish> For a laptop sitting idle, is it normal for the fan to kick into high gear every so often?
[07:34] <subterrific> probs: and make sure that nasty esd isn't running again ;)
[07:34] <Tjoklat> I think I am going to stay away from universe for now
[07:34] <probs> subterrific: no esd
[07:35] <schweeb> ish: yes
[07:35] <probs> subterrific: flash has sound now though:)
[07:35] <subterrific> probs: i guess its a gstreamer-alsa issue then if aplay works :\
[07:35] <schweeb> dunno about P-M's but P4 and P4M's are hot as hell
[07:36] <schweeb> subterrific: does anyone actually have gstreamer-alsa working?
[07:36] <subterrific> probs: i wonder if totem-xine uses alsa or oss
[07:36] <ish> I've got a PIIIM and I'm surprised how hot it can get just sitting here on IRC.
[07:36] <subterrific> schweeb: i do, it works great
[07:37] <subterrific> schweeb: run gstreamer-properties and switch everything to ALSA. i've been telling everyone to try that and so far prob is the first person who has any problems
[07:37] <schweeb> well, yea, did that long ago
[07:37] <probs> subterrific: haha...maybe it's because I don't have gstreamer-alsa installed?
[07:37] <schweeb> been using ALSA since before 2.6 was -test
[07:37] <schweeb> heh
[07:38] <schweeb> subterrific: by gstreamer-alsa, I actually meant totem-gstreamer
[07:38] <schweeb> @_@
[07:39] <BluMax> .
[07:39] <probs> hmmmmm...guess not unless I just need to restart now?
[07:40] <subterrific> probs: really?
[07:40] <probs> subterrific: yeah, it wasn't installed before
[07:40] <subterrific> gstreamer0.8-alsa is what you want
[07:41] <subterrific> make sure you didn't just install an old version
[07:41] <probs> subterrific: oh ah hm, I think I did:)
[07:41] <subterrific> ;)
[07:41] <subterrific> i almost made the same mistake
[07:41] <schweeb> yea, dangerous adding that from universe ;)
[07:42] <probs> heh:)
[07:42] <subterrific> its silly they are named different
[07:42] <probs> subterrific: so did you end up installing that patch because of a similar problem?
[07:43] <subterrific> probs: i ended up doing the patch because there was no driver for my sound card in the kernel, but there was one recently added to ALSA
[07:43] <subterrific> i don't think the patch will help you, since it is gstreamer-alsa only that is causing problems
[07:43] <probs> subterrific: oh yeah
[07:44] <subterrific> probs: if you really can't live without rhythmbox, maybe you could try setting gstreamer to use OSS, but stay away from esd ;)
[07:45] <probs> subterrific: I'll try that:)
[07:45] <subterrific> otherwise you might have to stay away from gstreamer apps till they fix their shit :\
[07:46] <subterrific> i've had a ton of issues with gstreamer and rhythmbox, they aren't the most stable combo
[07:46] <probs> subterrific: yeah I've had similar problems with other distros as well...
[07:47] <probs> subterrific: but I think I can live without gstreamer...probably even rhythmbox as well
[07:47] <subterrific> i think its mostly gstreamer and not rhythmbox too because i used to think totem sucked, but since i tried totem-xine i've had no problems
[07:47] <schweeb> gstreamer's video plugins suck
[07:47] <schweeb> the audio plugins are pretty good
[07:48] <schweeb> gstreamer's alsa used to be pretty bad
[07:48] <schweeb> much better now
[07:48] <ish> Is there a command to make speedstep kick in (scale the cpu speed down)?
[07:48] <subterrific> yeah, gstreamer is getting a lot better. i feel like any release now it is going to start rocking
[07:49] <LHX> Ubuntu is quite nice I must say... Just popper her on an open partition...
[07:50] <LHX> one question though... is there a forum for Ubuntu users?
[07:50] <daniels> not yet, but I do believe they're getting set up
[07:51] <_RaVen> I have to agree :)...I have not liked many linux distro's after trying out FreeBSD....but this one may get me back, Debian++
[07:51] <LHX> well that's cool... I'd still say my main distro is Arch... but since Arch's gnome support is sort of limited... I'm giving thought to switching to Ubuntu
[07:52] <probs> subterrific: anyway, thanks a ton for your help, I really appreciate it
[07:53] <subterrific> probs: no problem, glad i could help
[07:58] <subterrific> probs: when you were using esd, what was was working?
[07:58] <probs> subterrific: you mean rhythmbox?
[07:58] <subterrific> i mean what apps if any worked
[07:59] <probs> subterrific: yeah, rhythmbox worked, but I think it's the only gstreamer app I was using
[07:59] <probs> subterrific: the flash player in my browser was mute though
[08:00] <probs> totem-xine worked, but that's to be expected
[08:00] <LHX> Question... Is it easier to compile mplayer myself or should I be looking for a new repository... (haven't used a deb based distro in over a year)
[08:01] <schweeb> easier to find a repos
[08:01] <schweeb> use debian marillat
[08:01] <schweeb> something like ftp.nerim.net or something
[08:01] <schweeb> goggle is key
[08:01] <probs> subterrific: I could also play the sample sound events in 'sound preferences'
[08:01] <subterrific> probs: k
[08:02] <LHX> Thanks.  I'll go check that out in a minute...
[08:02] <probs> subterrific: tuxracer didn't have sound under esd, but it does now:)
[08:03] <LHX> THe URL is ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:03] <LHX> thanks
[08:07] <subterrific> probs: are you going to stick around irc?
[08:07] <probs> subterrific: probably for another hour or so;)
[08:07] <subterrific> probs: i mean in coming days. i might need your help if i try to fix that gstreamer-alsa crash
[08:08] <subterrific> maybe if i get your email? will you msg it to me?
[08:08] <probs> subterrific: oh:)....um yeah but probably only in the evenings (like now)
[08:10] <subterrific> i'd be working on it in the evenings too
[08:10] <subterrific> got a real job during the day ;)
[08:11] <probs> subterrific: great, I'd love to help:)
[08:32] <ish> Hmm.. Its kinda weird to start snort by default.. before any configuration.
[08:43] <jdub> yikes
[08:43] <jdub> touchpad
[08:44] <ish> I hate them.. and my nub is broken.
[08:45] <theantix_> gah, I just compiled netapplet, only to find that it uses the g-s-t network configurator so I *still* can't get gui wireless switching
[08:45] <crimsun> mm nice to have ubuntu-artwork on my sid system :)
[09:02] <punkass_> theantix_: what is netapplet? i am looking for something gui for wireless
[09:07] <theantix_> punkass_, netapplet is what the redhat/fedora people are working on to switch between wireless networks... I built the debian packages, which work fine but you can't set essid or keys in g-s-t so it's not all that useful (as far as I can tell)
[09:08] <punkass_> ah ok...i am running ndiswrapper on my laptop and trying to find a nice gui interface to set keys etc
[09:09] <theantix_> ditto :-)
[09:09] <punkass_> have u checked out Wifi Radar
[09:10] <punkass_> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[09:10] <theantix_> nope
[09:11] <punkass_> i am going to try and set it up tomorrow...so far the best i could find
[09:11] <Treenaks> I think the network configuration program should be able to set WEP keys.. I had to edit my /etc/network/interfaces by hand..
[09:12] <theantix_> Treenaks, I know they are working on it -- it's in the wiki for the next release -- I just need something in the meantime, and what punkass_ linked to might be useful
[09:12] <punkass_> yeah it totally should
[09:12] <eazel7> hi guys
[09:12] <Treenaks> theantix_: ah ok
[09:12] <eazel7> I'm here again
[09:13] <punkass_> yeah the built in net config gui should do what this wifi radar does
[09:13] <eazel7> punkass_, shows you the strengh of the signal
[09:13] <punkass_> but theres not alot of docs on it...so hopefully its not to bad to set up
[09:13] <punkass_> what does?
[09:14] <Tomcat_> Hooray for unstable... I got Firefox 0.9.3 :)
[09:14] <eazel7> are you talking about the gnome wifi applet?
[09:14] <Tomcat_> Eh... make that testing.
[09:14] <punkass_> oh that..well it would but i am using ndiswrapper for wifi so it is always at 100%
[09:15] <eazel7> ok... I need to cross the fingers, I'd break or fix the system in the next stage
[09:15] <theantix_> not all ndiswrapper drivers do that -- my fiancee's shows the real signal strength
[09:15] <matt2> Haha I doubt anyone knows, but is there a way to get pokerstars going with wine? There totally is since I got it working in gentoo for a bit, until it decided to break and not work anymore for some reason. Anyways, thought I'd give it a go in ubuntu, same low memory error.. =(
[09:16] <eazel7> have you looked at winehq appsdb?
[09:17] <punkass_> theantix_: really? i just used the latest version from sourceforge
[09:18] <punkass_> theantix_: does it depend on the inf file?
[09:18] <theantix_> punkass_, it might depend on the windows driver... not sure, a dell 1430 card worked fine
[09:18] <punkass_> hmm this is on a dell d600 with build in wifi
[09:18] <punkass_> its broadcom
[09:22] <punkass_> whoa there is a pile of XP drivers for the d600
[09:23] <joem> anybody have trouble with ide devices not being detected?
[09:31] <jdub> daniels: easy config way to turn off the touchpad?
[09:31] <daniels> jdub: on powerbooks? no
[09:31] <daniels> jdub: they just appear as a PS/2 mouse from the hardware
[09:31] <jdub> no, X300s :-)
[09:31] <daniels> so you can't just disable it a la synaptics
[09:31] <daniels> oh
[09:31] <jdub> powerbook is easy -> touchpad notap
[09:32] <jdub> or whatever it was
[09:32] <daniels> there's a synclient option
[09:32] <daniels> do synclient -l, and look for it, if you just want it temporarily
[09:32] <daniels> it's something obvious, like DisableTouchpad
[09:33] <jdub> $ synclient -l
[09:33] <jdub> Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[09:33] <daniels> unlike CircularScrollingRadiusFromCornerSeven or whatever
[09:33] <daniels> ARSE
[09:33] <daniels> ok, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and in the Synaptics stanza, put 'Option "SHMConfig" "On"'
[09:33] <daniels> or just 'Option "SHMConfig"'
[09:33] <daniels> then restart X, then you can use synclient
[09:33] <daniels> you won't get it disabled this way :\
[09:34] <jdub> so if that's on, someone could actually write a gnomey touchpad configurator?
[09:35] <daniels> fo'sho
[09:35] <daniels> if it's more important than the gimp splash screen, I could take care of that
[09:40] <jdub>                 Option                  "SHMConfig"                            "true"
[09:41] <jdub> synclient TouchpadOff=1 disables the entire thing
[09:41] <jdub> but there are TapButton settings
[09:41] <jdub> i'll try those
[09:41] <daniels> what do you want to do, disable touchpad clicks?
[09:41] <jdub> yeah
[09:41] <jdub> rad
[09:41] <jdub> done
[09:41] <jdub> whoa
[09:41] <daniels> yeah, there's an option for that
[09:41] <jdub> now we can make a gnomey thing
[09:41] <daniels> and you can throw it in XF86Config-4, too
[09:42] <daniels> yeah
[09:42] <daniels> mad phat
[09:42] <jdub> $ synclient TapButton1=0
[09:42] <jdub> (and 2 and 3)
[09:42] <daniels> do you want a gnomey configurator?
[09:43] <mdz> daniels: please check out the Re: Login problem thread on ubuntu-users
[09:43] <mdz> seems like a problem with autodetection on iMacs with LCDs
[09:43] <jdub> daniels: i might find some spare time to write a pygtk replacement for the mouse thing, that talks to synclient :)
[09:44] <daniels> mdz: actually, I suspect the problem is that it's not in xserver-xfree86's whitelist of resolutions
[09:44] <Qo-noS> Mornin guys/gals...just made some proposals to the Gnome Usability mailing list, feel free to comment, dispense advice or critisize the suggestions where appropriate
[09:44] <Qo-noS> > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2004-September/msg00182.html
[09:44] <jdub> daniels: but having that option set ing XF86Config-4 would be worthy
[09:44] <daniels> jdub: disabled per default?
[09:44] <jdub> daniels: i mean the config thingy
[09:44] <daniels> jdub: (having SHMConfig not there is a bug; I had it set in my initial refactoring)
[09:45] <daniels> yeah
[09:45] <jdub> aha
[09:45] <jdub> cool
[09:45] <daniels> ubuntu22 will take care of Login problem and SHMConfig
[09:45] <daniels> mdz: ^^
[09:47] <jdub> mdz: what's ubuntu-base going to be used for, btw?
[09:49] <fabbione> does anybody remember what's the status for raid6 devices?
[09:49] <fabbione> apparently raidtools2 can't create them
[09:50] <phlaegel> fabbione: got a question for you on bug 1390. should it be fixed automatically after installing the updated X packages?
[09:51] <phlaegel> 1390 == windows key in shortcut problem
[09:51] <joem> whiprush, what was the address for the mplayer/codec debs?
[09:51] <phlaegel> joem: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[09:52] <joem> thanks
[09:53] <fabbione> phlaegel: you will need to restart X
[09:53] <phlaegel> well, yeah, I figured that :-)
[09:53] <phlaegel> it's still not working for me though
[09:53] <mdz> jdub: woody->warty post-upgrade tool, universe enabling script, stuff like that
[09:54] <mdz> daniels: great, please follow up
[09:54] <Qo-noS> joem: besides those mplayer .debs, you may also want some real bleeding edge audio, video, burning packages from rarewares as well, just add this repo to your sources.list >
[09:54] <Qo-noS> # RAREWARES MAIN (libvorbis, lame, lame-ha, lame-cvs, lamip, cue2toc, shntool)
[09:54] <Qo-noS> deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./
[09:55] <Qo-noS> But remember to add these following lines to your /etc/apt/preferences >
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Package: *
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin: release a=experimental
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin-Priority: 101
[09:55] <fabbione> phlaegel: i have no way to test that kind of things. they are way too much binded to user environment. feel free to reopen the bug but hounestly i have no idea on how to fix it
[09:55] <Qo-noS> ooops
[09:55] <Qo-noS> these lines instaed:
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Package: *
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin: release o=xmixahlx
[09:55] <Qo-noS> Pin-Priority: 900
[09:56] <qyrll8> Hi; I'm having troubles configuring screenbrightness (very dark) on a new install of ubuntu..any ideas? TIA
[09:57] <jdub> mdz: ahr, excellent
[09:57] <Keybuk> qyrll8: if you run xgamma in a terminal, what does it say?
[09:57] <jdub> mdz: that upgrade report sounded good
[09:57] <phlaegel> fabbione: ok, thanks. I'll look around and see what I can find...
[09:57] <jdub> mdz: but now my firewall is mipsel ;)
[09:58] <qyrll8> red blue green is all = 1.000
[10:00] <Keybuk> qyrll8: if you try upping it with (e.g.) xgamma -gamma 1.5 ... does it get better
[10:00] <Keybuk> (this is just playing with the gamma, not the actual brightness though)
[10:01] <IkeKrull> whats the easiest way to get Xorg 6.8.1 onto ubuntu?
[10:02] <fabbione> IkeKrull: wait for the packages?
[10:02] <fabbione> they will be part of the next release
[10:02] <IkeKrull> bah waiting sucks :)
[10:05] <sabdfl> morning all
[10:05] <fabbione> IkeKrull: there are a lot of things that needs to be changed to switch manually..
[10:06] <fabbione> IkeKrull: i am not sure the pain is worth at this point in time.
[10:06] <fabbione> IkeKrull: there are really only a few differences between our Xfree86 tree and X.org
[10:06] <fabbione> sabdfl: morning
[10:06] <sabdfl> hey fabbione
[10:06] <sabdfl> anything interesting happen overnight?
[10:08] <qyrll8> anyone got good input as to where one finds a utility to control screenbrightness on a toshiba laptop? [note: xgamma does no difference]
[10:08] <fabbione> sabdfl: oh yeah! my pillow won a couple of rounds during a big fight :-)
[10:09] <IkeKrull> fabbione: yeah i'll wait for the packages, just want to mess with transparent windows etc.
[10:10] <beezly> hehe
[10:10] <beezly> i feel like that too :)
[10:10] <jdub> if you mess with them too much
[10:10] <jdub> you'll end up losing them
[10:10] <jdub> *wink*
[10:10] <jdub> "where's my window?!"
[10:10] <IkeKrull> i can use the directFB server to get transparent windows
[10:11] <IkeKrull> that worked pretty well
[10:11] <IkeKrull> but font support etc isnt as good as Xorg etc.
[10:12] <IkeKrull> http://www.directfb.org/screenshots/XDirectFB-ARGB-Cursor.png
[10:13] <jcarnie> hi folks, i've just switched from a m$ desktop to ubuntu. my onboard sound card has 6 ch audio and  jack sensing. any chance i'll get something like that with ubuntu??
[10:14] <IkeKrull> depends.. probly not the jack-sensing but ALSA does support multichannel sound cards.. how well would depend on the specific chipset
[10:16] <joebeastie> so how is everyone?
[10:17] <sabdfl> fabbione: too much information, dude
[10:17] <jcarnie> righty oh... just a matter of playing around then.. it does seem to send out the sound on all speakers.. not to the extent it did under xp tho... :(
[10:17] <sabdfl> jcarnie: try adjusting all the channels under alsamixer
[10:18] <highvoltage> Hi ubuntu ppl
[10:19] <highvoltage> I have an urgent question
[10:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> how urgen
[10:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> t
[10:19] <joebeastie> ohh urgent
[10:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> would you say
[10:19] <daniels> highvoltage: what's up?
[10:19] <highvoltage> How do I enable the cups web front-end?
[10:19] <jcarnie> HEY!! now we're talking... didn't even think to look there.. :) thanks sabdfl.
[10:19] <highvoltage> It says I have to use the configurator in the computer menu
[10:19] <highvoltage> but I want the web interface to work
[10:19] <highvoltage> what do I do?
[10:20] <joebeastie> man cups ?
[10:20] <highvoltage> ok
[10:20] <highvoltage> <sigh?
[10:20] <highvoltage> No manual entry for cups
[10:20] <highvoltage> ah, there's a cupsd page
[10:20] <daniels> highvoltage: um, it should already be listening on port 631
[10:21] <daniels> except you'll have to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf and change RunAsUser Yes, to No
[10:21] <daniels> I believe
[10:21] <daniels> (mdz, smack me down if I'm wrong)
[10:21] <joebeastie> http://localhost:631/
[10:21] <joebeastie> ah ha
[10:21] <joebeastie> found it for you
[10:21] <daniels> highvoltage: bear in mind i's only listening on localhost, though
[10:22] <daniels> oh wow, it looks like you can't do any administration at all -- code patch?
[10:22] <joebeastie> damn. did not realize daniels beat me to it.
[10:22] <sabdfl> anybody else have a panel splash that sticks around?
[10:23] <highvoltage> ok. now when I restart cups it said that child exits with code 98
[10:23] <highvoltage> yes, I am accessing it with localhost:631
[10:23] <joebeastie> highvoltage: /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
[10:23] <highvoltage> But when I log in it tells me that web administration is disabled
[10:24] <highvoltage> joebeastie: When I do that it says that child exits with code 98
[10:24] <joebeastie> highvoltage: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
[10:24] <highvoltage> I can try that, even though I'm root already :)
[10:25] <joebeastie> you enabled root on your ubuntu box?
[10:25] <highvoltage> should it be /etc/init.d/cupsd? In debian it's cupsys (and ubuntu)
[10:25] <joebeastie> i guessed without looking. ;)
[10:25] <highvoltage> I booted from knoppix and chrooted to change my root passwd
[10:26] <highvoltage> only after that I read the FAQ and found out about the sudo thing
[10:26] <joebeastie> i think you voided your warranty and waivered all support ;P
[10:26] <highvoltage> ah crap
[10:26] <joebeastie> joke
[10:26] <highvoltage> ok. I'll email it to someone else and they can print it :)
[10:27] <topyli> highvoltage: oh you have a root password! what is it? :)
[10:27] <highvoltage> Ok. seriously though, I'll read some documentation when I have time later and bother you again later
[10:27] <highvoltage> "iamroot"
[10:27] <highvoltage> (yeah sure)
[10:27] <topyli> -click- click- not anymore =)
[10:37] <intero> re
[10:38] <topyli> how big can a mbox file be before it's impractical?
[10:40] <crimsun> pretty darned large
[10:41] <crimsun> i b{un}zip2 mine as necessary
[10:42] <topyli> i have about 3000 messages in a mysql database, i'd like to import them to evolution because its search tool is so cool these days. they'd all go into the "gnome" folder.
[10:49] <Kinnison> Morning
[11:00] <ondrej> jdub: I am going to investigate Gnome BT Downloader as it is mentioned on Bounties page.  who I may talk about it afterwards?
[11:00] <Treenaks> gnome bt downloader?
[11:01] <ondrej> it's bittorrent ui from gnome
[11:01] <Treenaks> ah bittorrent, not bluetooth :)
[11:02] <Treenaks> ondrej: stupid question, but which Bounties page?
[11:03] <ondrej> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyWarthog_2fBounties
[11:04] <Treenaks> ah, I see
[11:06] <jono> morning all
[11:06] <beezly> morning jono
[11:06] <jono> hi beezly
[11:07] <joem> ha
[11:07] <joem> been there
[11:13] <krischan> Just made my way through the installation. It was rather painless, I am impressed.
[11:14] <krischan> My first question: Why is root account disabled by default? I find it to be confusing that SuperUser and my user do have the same password. Isn't that a little unsafe?
[11:15] <Keybuk> they don't ... sudo just asks for your password, if you set a root password it would still ask for yours
[11:17] <krischan> Yes, although something I'm not used to: sudo is already configured. On my old distro I always wanted to configure it, but never came around to it.
[11:18] <krischan> Well, but the point is: some graphical configuration tools ask for root password, and there my user password is accepted. Isn't that strange?
[11:19] <Mayday> it uses sudo
[11:20] <krischan> Mayday, my thought as well.
[11:20] <Mayday> to gain root and not su, moste graphical applications is modified to use gksudo instead of gksu
[11:20] <Kamion> krischan: if they explicitly say "root password", please file a bug; they should mostly say something like "please enter your password to gain root access"
[11:20] <Mayday> if i understand it correctly that is
[11:20] <Kamion> Mayday: correct
[11:21] <krischan> I'd like to know: do you (all) feel comfortable with this pre-configured sudo mechanisms? It give me a little the feeling of "I don't know what's happening around me".
[11:21] <joem> what else besides some basic ide modules would be needed for ubuntu to detect my cdroms
[11:21] <krischan> Kamion, I'll check it to be certain ...
[11:22] <Lowe> One thing i notice when i change an app to open with gksudo it always goes back to gksu when i reboot.
[11:23] <Kamion> joem: hopefully nothing, the installer should have everything it needs in the initrd ...
[11:23] <lml> I am trying to install Ubuntu, but is expirencing a problem. I am booting from the CD media I have downloaded fine, but after I have selected the language it tells me it is impossible to mount the CD? Any ideas?
[11:23] <pisuke> going from sid to slackware and back to ubuntu, I feel at home again. thanks to all the ubuntu staff and comunity.
[11:23] <joem> Kamion, it didn't..I used net install and have an sata hard disk if that would effect it
[11:23] <krischan> Okay, one example: "Please enter your password to run gdmsetup as user root". Kamion, I guess that's how you thought it.
[11:23] <Kamion> joem: entirely possible. what chipset?
[11:24] <Kamion> krischan: right, that's fine I think
[11:24] <joem> intel845
[11:25] <joem> not sure of the number, something similar
[11:25] <Kamion> joem: hm, I have some discover1 patches queued for i915, may be similar
[11:25] <Kamion> joem: do you have a full Linux installation elsewhere on that box?
[11:25] <joem> I did at one point
[11:25] <joem> not at the moment though, besides this one
[11:26] <Kamion> joem: ok, please switch to tty2 and type 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices'
[11:26] <Kamion> joem: mail that to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:26] <joem> I couldn't install from the normal cd because it couldn't detect a common cdrom
[11:26] <Kamion> joem: you'll have to transcribe it I'm afraid, but it's not too long
[11:27] <joem> I have a full ubuntu install, just doesn't detect the ide stuff
[11:27] <Kamion> joem: if you have a full Ubuntu install on the same machine, mail me the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n'
[11:27] <joem> it is actually on a bug, let me get the number
[11:27] <Kamion> oh, you've already done that? ok ...
[11:28] <joem> yea
[11:28] <joem> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1440
[11:28] <joem> its assigned to you actually
[11:29] <Kamion> oh, that was the mad one I couldn't figure out
[11:29] <joem> heh
[11:29] <joem> same here
[11:29] <Kamion> you must be in expert mode or something to even see the message about those irrelevant modules
[11:29] <joem> yea I tried every mode I could
[11:30] <Kamion> it's normally hidden due to being, well, irrelevant
[11:30] <Kamion> joem: does 'lsmod' display ata_piix?
[11:30] <joem> yea
[11:31] <joem> ide_cs ide_generic ide_cd  cdrom ide_disk ide_core are other modules I have loaded, but still doesn't show up in /dev
[11:31] <krischan> Another question: I've read that using Debian packages for installing at Ubuntu is generally not a good idea, because they have been compiled on another platform. Strictly seen, does that mean that I can't make use of the many Debian packages that are there? Do I have to wait until somebody offers a desired software as Ubuntu package?
[11:32] <Kamion> krischan: that's what the 'universe' component is for (unsupported, though)
[11:32] <Kamion> krischan: it's basically Debian compiled against Ubuntu
[11:32] <Kamion> joem: any relevant errors in /var/log/messages or /var/log/syslog?
[11:32] <jono> heya Kamion
[11:33] <Kamion> ata_piix should be your ATA controller
[11:33] <Kamion> hi jono
[11:33] <jono> hows things this morning?
[11:33] <Kamion> tired :)
[11:33] <jono> tell me about it
[11:33] <Kamion> need to pack for Oldenburg fairly urgently
[11:33] <jono> oldenburg?
[11:35] <joem> the only thing in messages really is PCI: Ignoring BAR0-3 of IDE controller 0000:00:1f.2
[11:35] <joem> and the standard E-IDE driver loading and setting the bus speed
[11:35] <jono> is there likely to be a solution for the ctrl-click issue on PPC?
[11:36] <joem> oh there is this in syslog:
[11:36] <joem> de0: I/O resource 0x1F0-0x1F7 not free.
[11:36] <joem> Sep 23 07:29:30 localhost kernel: ide0: ports already in use, skipping probe
[11:36] <joem> then the same for ide1
[11:37] <krischan> Kamion, I see, I have to make myself familiar with these main/restricted/universe components, thanks for the hint.
[11:41] <jono> jdub, ping
[11:47] <TongMaster> heya hypatia
[11:47] <AndyFitz> oops
[11:47] <AndyFitz> www.ubuntulinux.org
[11:47] <AndyFitz> wrong url there
[11:48] <Lowe> what?
[11:49] <AndyFitz> sorry wrong chat tab :-/
[11:49] <AndyFitz> telling scribus devs about ubuntu
[11:49] <AndyFitz> accidentally send ubuntu-linux.org before
[11:50] <hypatia> hey TongMaster
[11:55] <Lowe> what the hell i still have 325mb of upgrades
[11:55] <Kamion> joem: hm, possible, I've stuck that in the bug
[12:00] <cheitozz_> hola
[12:01] <cheitozz_> hay alguien que hable espaol?
[12:01] <crimsun> solamente ingles, lo siento
[12:02] <cheitozz_> solamente ingles, tu o el canal?
[12:03] <crimsun> really, i'm not fluent
[12:03] <crimsun> so i have to stick w/ English
[12:03] <pisuke> cheitozz_, yo soy espaol :)
[12:03] <cheitozz_> pisuke hola
[12:03] <cheitozz_> aki se puede hablar tb en espaol o esta prohibido?
[12:04] <pisuke> supongo que no sera lo correcto
[12:04] <pisuke> si es muy largo
[12:04] <pisuke> dame un privado
[12:04] <cheitozz_> es que yo de ingles estoy penco total
[12:04] <cheitozz_> es para que me cuente algo sobre ubuntu
[12:04] <cheitozz_> yo uso guadalinex
[12:04] <cheitozz_> y me interesa ubuntu
[12:05] <pisuke> yo no he usado guadalinex
[12:05] <pisuke> pero ubunto mola bastante. es sid estabilizado cada 6 meses
[12:05] <Lowe> anyone know why my mplayer isn't going fullscreen? well it is but it's only showing a tiny window
[12:05] <petemc>  -fs -zoom
[12:05] <cheitozz_> sus repositorios son de sid oficiales?
[12:05] <moyogo> Lowe: use -vo xv
[12:05] <Lowe> but im using the gui >_>
[12:06] <pisuke> no exactamente. se toma un snapshot de sid y se estabiliza
[12:06] <cheitozz_> ahh
[12:06] <moyogo> Lowe: edit your /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[12:06] <cheitozz_> luego para upgradearlo?
[12:06] <moyogo> Lowe: change the video output to xv
[12:07] <pisuke> cheitozz_, apt-get igual que debian. los repositorios son: main restricted universe
[12:07] <pisuke> en universe esta lo que se va portando de sid
[12:07] <pisuke> para que funcione en ubuntu
[12:07] <Lowe> that worked thanks
[12:08] <pisuke> cheitozz_, en total hay 13800 paquetes
[12:08] <moyogo> Lowe: no prob
[12:08] <truk-zzz> cheitozz_: http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/32/ y http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/31/
[12:08] <truk-zzz> lee eso, est en castellano y explca bastante de ubuntu
[12:08] <cheitozz_> y.. tiene mirasmuchas gracias
[12:08] <cheitozz_> y tiene miras de seguir mucho en el tiempo?
[12:09] <pisuke> si
[12:09] <truk-zzz> cheitozz_: lee eso, luego si tienes dudas preguntas
[12:10] <cheitozz_> por cierto tendre que aprender ingles
[12:10] <truk-zzz> or go #ubuntu-es to speak in spanish :P
[12:10] <truk-zzz> i'm alone there
[12:11] <hypatia> it might be worth advertising the presence of non-English support channels
[12:11] <hypatia> on the wiki or something
[12:11] <truk-zzz> hypatia: i agree
[12:11] <truk-zzz> spanish one could be ubuntu-es
[12:11] <cheitozz_> jajaja
[12:12] <ondrej> seb128: python-glade2 is not in main, any reason for this?
[12:12] <hypatia> Unfortunately they've moved it onto the webpage: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/
[12:13] <cheitozz_> pisuke vente a abuntu-es
[12:13] <cheitozz_> ubuntu-es
[12:16] <seb128> ondrej: it's probably missing on the seed
[12:16] <dcrm-libra> are there any cd covers for ubuntu?
[12:16] <seb128> ondrej: but we have python2.3-glade2, only the dummy package is missing
[12:18] <hypatia> Hmm, lists.ubuntu.com is down :)
[12:19] <hypatia> I notice this only because miraculously my -users message didn't return to me almost instantly
[12:19] <TongMaster> heh
[12:20] <thom> yeah, being rebooted onto new kernel
[12:23] <jdub> jono: pong
[12:24] <jono> jdub, I am gonna mail these questions now - if you could get them back ASAP I would be grateful - I am reviewing Ubuntu now :)
[12:25] <fabbione> hey enrico !
[12:27] <enrico> fabbione: ciao!
[12:29] <jono> jdub, sent :)
[12:34] <ondrej> seb128: I am working on GNOME UI BitTorrent Bounty, you know :-)
[12:34] <seb128> I've seen your name on the lastest changes on wiki :)
[12:37] <cardador> hello. i am on a network group at my work, and ive put my workgroup name in network settings. but when i go yo computer -> network, the computers that show up belong to the workgroup "WORKGROUP" and to to mine. any clues?
[12:38] <cardador> and not to mine*
[12:52] <cardador> ill ask again, maybe now someone can help me out
[12:52] <cardador> hello. i am on a network group at my work, and ive put my workgroup name in network settings. but when i go to computer -> network, the computers that show up belong to the workgroup "WORKGROUP" and not to mine. any clues?
[12:55] <sabdfl> jdub: is the gnome splash screen supposed to hang around after login?
[12:55] <jdub> sabdfl: no, that's a very hard to track down session bug
[12:55] <jdub> sabdfl: can you mail me your ~/.gnome2/session file?
[12:56] <seb128> probably a program not registering in the right way to the session
[12:56] <jdub> seb128: some crack from universe ;)
[12:57] <seb128> jdub: yeah ...
[12:57] <mjg59> Wasn't there a flag to make it make the splash screen time out faster?
[12:57] <seb128> there is a timeout
[12:57] <ondrej> jdub: I am working on GNOME UI BitTorrent Bounty; who I am supposed to contact with result?
[12:58] <sabdfl> jdub: 2nd mail should have it
[12:58] <jdub> ondrej: sabdfl can help with that :)
[12:59] <jdub> sabdfl: evo will soon have a thingy to warn you about no attachments if you've mentioned attachments ;)
[12:59] <sabdfl> ondrej: i'd be happy for me, jdub, seb128, jamesh or any of our other gnome-friendly guys to mentor you through it
[01:00] <sabdfl> jdub: sheesh, you;d think they'd already have that in "mail" too :-)
[01:00] <jdub> haha
[01:01] <jdub> what do you think about "MY LAPTOP <hearts> UBUNTU" stickers? ;-)
[01:02] <Mithrandir> jdub: sounds nice.  But I want nice and cozy ubuntu t-shirts and sweaters.
[01:02] <jdub> Mithrandir: there's going to be a comp! :)
[01:03] <jdub> back soon
[01:03] <Mithrandir> hoodies would be nice.
[01:03] <ondrej> sabdfl: I looked at gnome-btdownload project mentioned in Wiki page.  It looks good, except it uses FileChooserDialog from not-released pygtk.  So I hacked it to use FileChooserDialog if available and in other cases use FileSelection (and bit of other tweaking to hide differences in UI).  Also I have fixed searching for glade files, which was using hardcoded paths.  So what now?  Is there some requirements on BitTorrent UI?
[01:03] <Ycros> jdub, so is there like an ubuntu mascot?
[01:04] <maswan> Mithrandir: there, finally I'm managing to burn a cd. took a while to get a working device or so.
[01:04] <Mithrandir> maswan: attacking ravel now?
[01:05] <sabdfl> Ycros: in the short term, a WARTHOG!
[01:05] <Ycros> that's just a release thing though isn't it?
[01:06] <maswan> Mithrandir: That's the plan, in a few minutes anyway.
[01:06] <Mithrandir> Ycros: no, it's a bit bigger than that
[01:06] <Mithrandir> maswan: ook, wiping out people's ~?
[01:06] <fabbione> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1642
[01:07] <fabbione> sabdfl: do you want to answer to that bug? ;)
[01:07] <fabbione> sabdfl: or can i leave it open for the glory?
[01:07] <sabdfl> ondrej: i think what we want is something that will (a) Just Work when you click on a torrent link in firefox or epiphany, (b) something that Looks Good, and by good we mean Gnome HIG compliant, simply, classy icons. It should also be easily usable, listing all downloads in progress, and completed, and items being pushed. Does yours do that?
[01:08] <sabdfl> Ycros: yes, its the first release. the next would be a hedgehog. we have the "three people logo"
[01:08] <sabdfl> fabbione: would make a good item in your .sig :-)
[01:09] <sabdfl> well done!
[01:09] <fabbione> sabdfl: for our team :-)
[01:10] <Mithrandir> fabbione: great work!
[01:11] <ondrej> sabdfl: will check that and report result...
[01:11] <ondrej> I think it needs updating to new MIME system in 2.8
[01:11] <fabbione> Mithrandir: :-))
[01:13] <topyli> will evolution explode if i import an mbox of about 3300 messages to a single folder? :)
[01:14] <Treenaks> topyli: no
[01:14] <Treenaks> topyli: it'll just take ages
[01:14] <topyli> lets see
[01:14] <ema> I've tried to subscribe to ubuntu-devel without luck
[01:14] <ema> any suggestion?
[01:15] <Treenaks> topyli: I'll watch for a mushroom clound to the north-east
[01:15] <Treenaks> ;)
[01:15] <topyli> it's 19 meg
[01:15] <Treenaks> ema: did you see the confirmation message?
[01:15] <Treenaks> topyli: that's nothing, I imported a 500M IMAP box
[01:15] <ema> Treenaks: yes, but I did not received the confirm email
[01:16] <Treenaks> ema: well, you should look for the cause of that then
[01:16] <hypatia> The lists.ubuntu.com server is down at the moment
[01:16] <Treenaks> that'd explain it
[01:16] <hypatia> ema: If you tried to subscribe just now, that might be why the mail didn't come through
[01:17] <ema> Treenaks: well, I've not got problems with email
[01:17] <ema> hypatia: I tried two times, the first one two days ago
[01:17] <topyli> hm. not successful, it only brought in about 80 messages :(
[01:18] <topyli> oh, it did get 3398 messages. it just marked 84 'unread' :)
[01:18] <topyli> \o/
[01:19] <topyli> you've got mail =)
[01:20] <topyli> mbox2mysql got all the attachments to separate files :/
[01:21] <Treenaks> I can't change the artist/track names on mp3 files..
[01:21] <Treenaks> using rhythmbox
[01:22] <seb128> rhythmbox doesn't edit tags for the moment
[01:22] <topyli> use easytag
[01:22] <Treenaks> topyli: I've shell-scripted something, that's not the problem
[01:22] <Treenaks> but it looks like it should be able to edit (the edit-boxes are not
[01:22] <Treenaks> "disabled"
[01:23] <topyli> yeah, and it really _should_ be able to do it. the need for a separate app is annoying.
[01:25] <topyli> my "empty" trash has "28 items" :)
[01:28] <maswan> Mithrandir: Nope, the plan is to keep both that and the chroots.
[01:28] <maswan> Mithrandir: To be sure, I'm going to install with out the current $HOME-disk plugged in. :)
[01:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: ok, goodie
[01:29] <Mithrandir> maswan: you mean plugged in or typo?
[01:30] <Mithrandir> :)
[01:32] <jcarnie> hi all, i've just installed mplayer as per someone's instructions earlier.... the good news is it plays both mpg and avi.. :) bad news is i get the following error constantly whilst any dialog is going on....  "alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory.  sound DOES work.. i just keep getting the above dialog box flashing over everything.  any help??
[01:36] <Sirius_Black> hi
[01:37] <Sirius_Black> any grub gurus here?
[01:37] <ondrej> where can I find some info on GNOME MIME database?
[01:38] <Sirius_Black> i wanna know what is grub equivalent of lilo's append = "hdc=ide-scsi"
[01:39] <ondrej> Sirius_Black: do you have standard install of grub (ie. ubuntu)?
[01:39] <truk-zzz> Sirius_Black: 2.6 can write cd's without scsi emulation
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> ondrej: yeah i have
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> truk-zzz: o know
[01:39] <ondrej> Sirius_Black: search for kopt in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> i have more than one linux on my machine
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> one of them is 1.4.21
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> sorry
[01:39] <Sirius_Black> 2.4.21
[01:40] <truk-zzz> ok, so in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:40] <ondrej> f.e. I have: # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro nolapic
[01:40] <ondrej> after adding your changes you have to run update-grub command, and that's all
[01:42] <ondrej> But it does apply for all kernels...  if you want to have different entries for each kernel, you have to add manual entry for that kernel
[01:42] <Sirius_Black> ondrej: i know that
[01:42] <Sirius_Black> and i have done that
[01:43] <Sirius_Black> and i just want to know how does grub tell 2.4.21. kernel to make sure that hdc is ide-scsi
[01:43] <Sirius_Black> that's all
[01:44] <thom> it sticks it on the end of the kernel command line
[01:45] <lowe_> stupid ghost!
[01:46] <ondrej> sabdfl: do you think that this application should have one common windows with simple list of bittorrent downloads (like firefox download window) or separate window for each download (like IE)? This application is made in second style, but I could imagine, that having single simple window with ability to open detailed view would be better.
[01:47] <topyli> there are no ghosts really lowe_
[01:49] <lowe_> I mean my ghost Lowe
[01:50] <topyli> oh my. it's there all right :)
[01:50] <lowe_> how do i get rid of it? wait
[01:52] <lowe_> *yawn*
[01:53] <Treenaks> lowe_: or you chould have registered the name with nickserv, and used /msg nickserv ghost
[01:53] <topyli> can't someone kick it?
[01:53] <lowe_> Why is there no ops in here anyway
[01:54] <Treenaks> topyli: kicking won't work.. it has to be killed
[01:54] <hypatia> they probably could, but it needs to be kicked off the entire server before he can use the nick
[01:54] <thom> topyli: no, because that doesn't remove it from the network, so the nick is still in use
[01:54] <thom> lowe_: why do you want ops?
[01:54] <lowe_> I was just wondering
[01:54] <thom> there are people registered with chanserv so if necessary it's doable
[01:55] <thom> just unnecessary to day to day channel usage :-)
[01:55] <hypatia> I can't remember the last time I saw someone use ops on freenode
[01:55] <hypatia> oh yeah I can. #twisted people will kick you if you say "lol"
[01:55] <thom> seems fair
[01:56] <Treenaks> hypatia: lol :P
[01:56] <lowe_> you see my mum is doing the hall, new carpet and stuff and she has pulled the cable out a few times, that's why i get that gay ghost. -_-
[01:56] <Treenaks> lowe_: it'll time out eventually
[01:56] <Treenaks> lowe_: /ping it :)
[01:57] <stevedeo> 6:00AM. Can't sleep. Time to blow away my sid install and put ubuntu on here, I guess.
[01:58] <lowe_> Is gentoo really hard to install? i have a spare machine i was wanting to install it on.
[01:59] <_Hiro_> no it's a breeze
[01:59] <[Bas] > installing gentoo is a piece of cake indeed, maintaining it is another point
[02:00] <lowe_> hmm well people say i need to have a good understanding of most commands before installing
[02:00] <_Hiro_> don't you need that with any linux system? :/
[02:01] <lowe_> Not really, i have managed to get quite far without knowing many.
[02:01] <lowe_> Really should buy some books though.
[02:01] <_Hiro_> it's not fancy.. fdisk, partition creation, mouting and stuff :)
[02:01] <jsc> the install docs for gentoo are very good
[02:01] <jsc> fairly easy to follow
[02:02] <lowe_> I will print them out tonight, and see how i feel.
[02:02] <_Hiro_> it's what you'd need to know to install windows 2000 for instance (except for the mounting)
[02:02] <jsc> youll learn alot too
[02:02] <lowe_> yay
[02:03] <Lowe> man it's so cold today
[02:03] <moyogo> anyone tried realplayer 10 on ubuntu/
[02:03] <moyogo> ?
[02:04] <Lowe> oh god not real player
[02:04] <Lowe> realplayer is spyware for linux lol
[02:04] <moyogo> Lowe: hehe, there are some radio's and other medias i like to listen to that are only real
[02:04] <Lowe> oh well
[02:04] <Lowe> Does it still have those annoying ads?
[02:04] <[Bas] > realplayer 10 works fine here on ubuntu
[02:05] <moyogo> [Bas] : how about it's interaction with firefox
[02:05] <moyogo> [Bas] : my firefox keep refusing to open/save .ra or .ram
[02:06] <[Bas] > hmm haven't tried that let me see
[02:06] <hypatia> Lowe: register your nick with nickserv now, so you can recover it next time :)
[02:06] <moyogo> [Bas] : it only keep a temp copy while the open/save dialog is open
[02:07] <moyogo> maybe it's a mime problem i have, but i don't know much about that
[02:07] <moyogo> and firefox filetypes preferences don't show any .ra nor .ram
[02:07] <[Bas] > the OK button is disabled indeed, weird
[02:08] <moyogo> [Bas] : rather annoying, eh
[02:09] <Lowe> < doesn't know what nickserv is :(
[02:09] <Treenaks> Lowe: /msg nickserv help
[02:11] <moyogo> [Bas] : at least, the plugin works
[02:11] <glens> Anyone tried installing equivs?  It keeps getting stuck at 99% for me.