[02:27] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: how are things?
[02:28] <bluesabre> want to exercise your new ubuntu-upload rights?
[02:28] <bluesabre> http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-parole-0-6-1-released-td43661.html
[02:28] <Noskcaj> pretty good
[02:28] <bluesabre> good to hear :)
[02:28] <Noskcaj> And yeah, i saw. I'll prepare the upload in debian first, but i'll have it straight to ubuntu
[02:29] <bluesabre> fantastic
[02:29] <bluesabre> thanks alot :D
[02:30] <Noskcaj> I still don't know how to upload stuff to ubuntu though
[02:30] <Noskcaj> micahg, ^
[02:30] <bluesabre> ah
[02:30] <bluesabre> :)
[02:30] <bluesabre> I might need a primer from you on uploading packages to debian via PAPT
[02:30] <bluesabre> need to upgrade catfish to use python3
[02:31] <Noskcaj> target the package to "unstable", then add it to the RFS in the irc channel
[02:32] <bluesabre> I need to do something with svn, right?
[02:33] <Noskcaj> Yeah, all the code is in svn
[02:35] <Noskcaj> svn co<EMAIL_ADDRESS>should work
[02:41] <bluesabre> cool, thanks :)
[06:58] <jhenke> good morning
[07:51] <Noskcaj> Why isn't abiword the default to open .docx files?
[11:10] <bluesabre> greetings everyone
[11:10] <bluesabre> :)
[11:17]  * bluesabre just sent an updated catfish package to debian via PAPT.
[11:19] <starrats> good morning everyone
[11:20] <bluesabre> good morning starrats
[11:27] <starrats> No questions today, I promise, lol.  But really enjoying this final Beta, looking forward to gthe release.  Again I say thank you to the ones that have made this build so awesome.
[13:52] <Justanick> Is it useful to test the daily build for Xubuntu 14.4? Using at the moment Xubuntu 12.4.
[15:01] <Justanick> Is the daily build feature complete?
[17:04] <pleia2> Justanick: testing daily images is always useful :)
[17:04]  * elfy has no idea of the backlog - but completely agrees :)
[17:05] <Justanick> Should the upgrade function from 12.04 to 14.04 work for xubuntu?
[17:06] <Justanick> LTS to LTS
[17:06]  * elfy will get link - 64 or 32 bit Justanick ?
[17:06] <Justanick> 64Bit
[17:07] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases/1635/results
[17:07] <elfy> or http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/65285/testcases/1636/results
[17:07] <elfy> depending on whether you want to use upgrade manager or can use an image
[17:09] <jhenke> guys, yesterday I tried beta2 the first time, I assume the problem of wrong keyboard layout used and the wrong background images both in the installer and post install are knonw already?
[17:10] <elfy> yep
[17:10] <Justanick> I think I will use the updater and not the image one. I'm on a xfce ppa for version 4.10. Any risks?
[17:10] <elfy> not sure tbh - it will disable the ppa I think though
[17:10] <Unit193> Yes it will.
[17:11] <elfy> thought so - I tend to wander off from those upgrades and go do something else
[17:11] <elfy> jhenke: bug 1297170 and bug 1284635
[17:11] <jhenke> thanks for the pointer
[17:12] <elfy> jhenke: as a matter of curiosity - what keyboard layout did you expect ?
[17:12] <jhenke> de_DEnodeadkeys
[17:13] <jhenke> set during installation
[17:13] <elfy> y6ep
[17:13] <brainwash> yeah :D
[17:14] <elfy> brainwash: got a patch for that delete issue of mine - but I've no idea how to actually use it :)
[17:15] <brainwash> elfy: currently building a package which includes the patch
[17:15] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~thad-fisch/+archive/test
[17:15] <jhenke> I also think it is an ibus problem, in fact I would expect ibus to be absolutely passivbe, as german does not need it normally
[17:15] <brainwash> it is ibus
[17:16] <brainwash> which somehow is not able to query the correct layout
[17:16] <brainwash> so it falls back to en_US
[17:16] <jhenke> which is very confusing if you want to use the terminal and being used to no us keyboards ^^
[17:16] <elfy> brainwash: so how do I patch it? sudo patch < foo.patch ?
[17:17] <brainwash> no need for sudo
[17:17] <brainwash> you want to patch the git version?
[17:17] <elfy> nope - whatever I've got here I guess
[17:18] <elfy> ok - now it wants to know what file to patch - xfdeskop4 ?
[17:19] <brainwash> mmh
[17:19] <brainwash> did you download the source files?
[17:19] <elfy> xfdesktop I mean
[17:19] <elfy> no
[17:20] <elfy> this is just going to get too voodooy for me ;)
[17:21] <brainwash> you can test the package from my ppa
[17:23] <elfy> brb
[17:26] <elfy> brainwash: did that ppa desktop of yours also have something in it to stop the screen artifacts after login with a nouveau card?
[17:26] <elfy> and that also seems to have done the job for deleting :)
[17:28] <elfy> commented on the bug at bugzilla
[17:28] <brainwash> elfy: no, I just added the delete patch
[17:28] <elfy> mmm
[17:29] <elfy> must be coincidental then
[17:29] <brainwash> are the artifacts always visible after login?
[17:30] <elfy> yea - for ~10-15 seconds
[17:30] <elfy> same as the screenshot I added to my bug on it
[17:31] <brainwash> mmh, one relog can't tell for sure
[17:32] <elfy> indeed not :)
[17:32] <elfy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162094730/CAM00034.jpg
[17:33] <elfy> that stuff - but not at the greeter window now obviously
[17:34] <brainwash> and deleting 1 file is enough to confirm that the patch works?
[17:35] <elfy> brainwash: it is on what I've seen
[17:35] <brainwash> ok :)
[17:36] <elfy> first delete from desktop on a new session = oh my lord - what is this !!! - so yea - it worked as it did before whatever happened
[17:36] <elfy> without fail, a new session was an issue
[17:37] <brainwash> maybe we could already add the patch to our patch collection for the next xfdesktop4 bug fix release
[17:38] <elfy> I'd guess that would be useful - the only thing is I've not been able to actually replicate this at all anywhere else, neither has anyone else
[17:38] <elfy> it is JUST this particular install
[17:38] <brainwash> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfdesktop4/git-patches
[17:39] <brainwash> mmh, right
[17:39] <elfy> so ...
[17:40] <brainwash> but if it gets committed upstream, we could simply pick it
[17:41] <brainwash> and close your bug report
[17:41] <brainwash> :)
[17:41] <elfy> seems it has :p "Thanks for testing it, pushed to master in:..."
[17:42] <eric_the_idiot> yup, thanks for the quick feedback :)
[17:43] <elfy> ohhh
[17:43] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: awesome! that was a quick fix
[17:43] <elfy> so you are that eric :) hi eric_the_idiot :D
[17:43]  * elfy feels slightly ridiculous ...
[17:43] <eric_the_idiot> yup, I'm that idiot, hi
[17:44] <elfy> but blames other people for not telling him who's here from xfce :D
[17:44] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: do you follow the "wrong wallpaper" lp report?
[17:44] <eric_the_idiot> wrong wallpaper?
[17:45] <brainwash> bug 1297170
[17:46] <eric_the_idiot> oh no, haven't seen that before
[17:46] <brainwash> I saw that there is code to migrate the wallpaper settings from 4.10 to 4.11, but we've changed our xuubntu-specifc xfce4-desktop.xml to the 4.11 layout
[17:47] <brainwash> but we use the generic monitor name "monitor0"
[17:48] <brainwash> but in most cases a monitor name like "monitor-HDMIblala" is used
[17:49] <eric_the_idiot> do you have a link to this default setting file?
[17:49] <brainwash> http://lpaste.net/102023
[17:50] <brainwash> so it ignores the monitor0 entry and creates a new one (monitor-name) and uses the default wallpaper
[17:52] <eric_the_idiot> hmm, well it should check if monitor-HDMIblah exists (which it shouldn't)
[17:52] <eric_the_idiot> then it looks for "%smonitor%d/image-path"
[17:53] <eric_the_idiot> then finally DEFAULT_BACKDROP
[17:53] <eric_the_idiot> now I wonder if xfdesktop-settings does the same, hope so :)
[17:53] <brainwash> is our default .xml file to blame?
[17:54] <eric_the_idiot> yeah don't try to guess the workspace/monitor just use monitor0/image-path
[17:55] <eric_the_idiot> and monitor1/image-path
[17:55] <eric_the_idiot> and that should migrate and xfdesktop will set it on first run
[17:55] <brainwash> yes, but then we are back to our original problem
[17:56] <brainwash> xfdesktop-settings showing an empty folder initially
[17:57] <brainwash> when the user tries to change the wallpaper
[17:57] <brainwash> I think
[17:57] <eric_the_idiot> that was caused by a bug in xfdesktop
[17:57] <brainwash> oh, we can use the 4.10 layout again?
[17:57] <eric_the_idiot> yeah
[17:57] <brainwash> ok, thanks :)
[17:57] <brainwash> I'll test it
[17:58] <brainwash> one issue remains then, xfdesktop not showing network shares
[17:58] <eric_the_idiot> ok, that other bug was only triggered when plug names weren't available (i.e. in vmware without the guest additions)
[17:58] <brainwash> tried nfs shares, no luck
[17:59] <brainwash> samba shares do not show up either according to another tester
[17:59] <eric_the_idiot> yeah, that one might be more work
[17:59] <brainwash> gigolo and thunar do show them
[18:00] <eric_the_idiot> I'll probably have to switch from using GVolume to GMount to get everything to show
[18:00] <eric_the_idiot> since GIO is really random about what's a volume
[18:01] <brainwash> maybe I can get it working (doubt that)
[18:02] <brainwash> reading the code of thunar and xfdektop takes some time :D
[18:02] <lderan> elfy, how does this look to you http://paste.ubuntu.com/7180704/ ?
[18:08] <elfy> lderan: looks ok - except helpfully :) - maybe add a bit about help with bzr being available if people need it
[18:09] <elfy> tell me when you've sent it and I will copy it to the LP testers team as well
[18:10] <lderan> elfy, okay :)
[18:10] <elfy> lderan: thanks :)
[18:12] <lderan> no problem at all :)
[19:09] <lderan> elfy, it is done
[19:09] <lderan> accidentally spilled a drink on my desk. had to clean it up :P
[19:18] <elfy> thanks - -testers getting it now
[19:24] <jhenke> does anybody know if somebody with the nessesary experience is already looking into the ibus bug?
[19:25] <elfy> yep - someone is looking at it
[19:25] <jhenke> elfy thanks
[19:27] <elfy> it's being looked at by canonical desktop team
[19:28] <jhenke> great, I just wonder how that regression was able to get into the normal archive in the first place, somebody should have seen that earlier...
[19:29] <elfy> indeed
[19:31] <elfy> jhenke: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/27/%23ubuntu-release.html#t08:32
[19:32] <brainwash> xubuntu.. we just ship it :)
[19:34] <jhenke> it would be nice if people would be more cautious with such fundemental packages like ibus in general...
[19:34] <jhenke> how nice would be a perfect world
[19:43] <jhenke> interesting to read the irc converstation, I really hope that is fixed soon, because at least for me that is a (subjectivily) very high impact bug, even more proably for people not understanding linux at alll
[19:54] <brainwash> we are aware of this, but we only install ibus by default, we don't actually integrate it
[19:55] <brainwash> if it cannot be fixed in time.. well, we can purge it :D
[19:56] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: strange, I've reverted the xfce-desktop.xml change and it still falls back to the default Xfce wallpaper
[19:57] <jhenke> brainwash I am fully aware that packets like ibus are not the responsibility of the xubuntu team, it should just work and if not the ubuntu guys have to make it work
[20:37] <jhenke> good night folks
[20:39] <elfy> goodnight jhenke


[00:06] <ethana2> does ethernet internet-connection-sharing Just Work in 10.10?
[00:49] <papertigers> has anyone tested 10.10 on a macbook pro?
[01:07] <MTecknology> This is awesome... http://lease-color-copiers.com/Why_is_Microsoft_Word_So_Expensive.html
[02:28] <whereami> Can anybody check out my ata errors from dmesg? http://pastebin.com/uc6dZsnt
[03:05] <Azelphur> Hmm, after updating today my sound is all messed up
[03:05] <Azelphur> Flash sound don't work, wine sound don't work :(
[03:06] <Azelphur> Rhythmbox does though, I think it's something to do with ALSA via pulseaudio
[03:26] <Pulsewidth> Can you disable the global menu bar in Netbook Edition?
[04:19] <archer> hi my 64bit marverick cannot sleep or hibernate
[04:19] <archer> it displays dri errors : atom bios loop
[04:19] <archer> and atom_execute_table_locked
[04:20] <archer> anyhow it is not written in any log that i can review
[04:20] <archer> just on screen message. could someone help me
[04:20] <archer> both are DRM error
[04:21] <coz_> archer,  not sure who is available at this time of day... you may want to post this again at a different time
[04:21] <coz_> archer,  are you in US?
[04:21] <archer> china
[04:22] <archer> yes. it sounds like uk or us nick name
[04:22] <coz_> archer,  ok   US it is about 11:30 PM and in europe it is about 4:30 an d 5:30 AM
[04:22] <archer> hahaha
[04:22] <coz_> archer,  I am in US but dont have an answer for you  but most of the people here I believe are in europe
[04:23] <archer> so are most of ubuntu dev / debug team are in eur and U.S
[04:23] <archer> ?
[04:23] <coz_> archer,  well It seems many are yes
[04:23] <archer> thanks for the tip
[04:23] <archer> but at that time i need sleep too
[04:23] <coz_> archer,  I am sure there are many in US also... but as I said it is already  11:30 here
[04:23] <coz_> archer,  I know... the different time zones can make it difficult
[04:24] <coz_> archer,  what time is it there now?
[04:24] <archer> you helps make it less. thanks
[04:24] <archer> over here, utf-8 utc+8
[04:24] <archer> about 11:24 am
[04:25] <coz_> archer,  ah ok  then  maybe at 4PM or so for you it would be a good time to post  ..yes?
[04:25] <archer> i remember that irc is the fastest way to get a help.
[04:25] <archer> NP.
[04:25] <coz_> cool :)
[04:25] <archer> but it is sunday too
[04:26] <coz_> archer,  ok it is saturday here so if you post later today it should get through to someone :)
[04:26] <archer> it is another practical issue besides timezones
[04:26] <archer> will they be avail on Sun?
[04:26] <coz_> archer,  it is also saturday in europe as well
[04:27] <archer> i think it is crazy if they do work on this nonprofit proj on weekend
[04:27] <archer> maybe monday is better
[04:27] <coz_> archer,  if that works better for you :)
[04:33] <archer> where are you from coz?
[04:33] <archer> it sounds like the shop name
[04:33] <archer> cozy or something
[04:49] <archer> I never make fglrx driver for ati work for my maverick 64. any idea?
[05:25] <DanaG> argh, PA keeps defaulting to muting my USB sound card!
[06:19] <bullgard4> DanaG: What do you mean by "PA"? power amplifier?
[06:19] <nigelb> pulseaudio
[06:19] <bazhang> PulseAudio
[06:20] <bullgard4> nigelb, bazhang Thank you.
[06:20] <bazhang> welcome
[06:22] <bullgard4> [in Tilda:] '~$ mc /sys/power; TERM environment variable needs set.' I reported this to Launchpad. The bug persists even after the big distribution upgrade yesterday. How to patch this bug temporarily?
[06:47] <bullgard4> '~$ env | grep TERM' does not produce any output. But on my Lucid computer:  '~$ env | grep TERM; TERM=xterm.' Where should I set the TERM environment variable?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> gee.. i just 'echo $TERM'
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> $ echo $TERM
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> xterm
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> It really should be getting set as part of the scripts.. xterm is not always the proper 'setting' for TERM.
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> You could set it in your .bashrc if you wanted to. but thats proberly overkill.
[07:16] <bullgard4> Dr_Willis: '~$ echo "$TERM"; dumb'. How should it change that to obtain the result '~$ echo "$TERM"; xterm'?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> export TERM=xterm
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> its just a envuiroment variable you set like any other
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> Its supposed to be set up where the startup scripts determine your proper 'terminal' and set it properly
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> this is from a normal xterm you are getting this? or where exactly?
[07:19] <bullgard4> I am getting it in a GNOME terminal.
[07:43] <sinurge> hi, my nvidia-xconfig settings are just not getting saved currently. this started since the last few updates...the refresh rate is getting set to 75 even though i set it to 60 or auto...post reboot if i try to change it the first thing it tells me is that te necessary extensions are not supported do u want to use the graphic vendors tool instead.
[07:47] <DanaG> Say, why do kernel-ppa kernels have inotify disabled?
[09:44] <pdwgg> Hey guys. I just installed ubuntu 10.10 beta. And I am using chromium web browser. But I cant see the video on youtube which I had no problem when using 10.04. can anyone help me please?
[09:44] <pdwgg> Ops, it only showed half the things I typed.
[09:45] <pdwgg> oh now shows everything.. something wrong with my xchat xd.
[09:47] <pdwgg> It says that I need to install adobe flash. So I pressed install, then it brings me to a page saying that Your Google Chrome browser already includes the latest Adobe® Flash® Player built-in.
[09:51] <shazzr> pdwgg: You could try to go to chrome.google.com and download Google Chrome...not sure if it'll help, but Chromium is after all a different thing.
[09:57] <neglesaks> 3 days to RC
[09:57] <neglesaks> i mean, 4
[10:00] <pdwgg> Hi shazzr. Thanks for the advice. But how come I did not have this problem when I was using 10.04? I was using chromium too.
[10:16] <dugger5688_> Anyone have news about the status of the open broadcom drivers?
[10:21] <anger78> hi, im trying to scan somethong with simplescan, preview looks good, but when i save it i get an empty pdf
[10:36] <m4rtin> what's the package to report bugs in splash screen? (plymouth?)
[10:37] <GMSPENCE____> Hi guys can anyone help me.... upgraded to maverick and my remote desktop stopped working....fired up the vino preferences from the admin menu, however it says "your desktop is only reachable on the local network....others can access your computer using the address localhost.  (in lucid it used to display the ip address of the computer on the network).  have set the computer up with static ip.  any suggestions?
[10:48] <pmjp> hi :)
[10:49] <pmjp> hi maedox
[10:50] <maedox> pmjp: hi
[10:50] <TiK> GMSPENCE____: did you forward 5800 and 5900 in your router?
[10:50] <pmjp> so is it worth upgrading to the beta
[10:51] <pmjp> Im running the netbook version
[10:51] <TiK> i've ban maverick since alpha
[10:51] <TiK> er ran
[10:51] <pmjp> and?
[10:51] <TiK> m4rtin: if you are tlkaing about the display settings there are fixes already
[10:51] <TiK> it works well
[10:52] <m4rtin> TiK: all was nice until I installed ATI proprietary drivers
[10:52] <m4rtin> now it's thoroughly messed
[10:52] <GMSPENCE____> TIk - port forwarding not necessary...it's a local network connection.  not using it externally
[10:52] <GMSPENCE____> but yeah for external connections 58 and 5900 forwarded
[10:53] <TiK> oh i misread
[10:53] <TiK> hold
[10:53] <GMSPENCE____> if i ssh into the machine and launch x11vnc i can get a vnc connection.... so the problem is lying with vino-server from what i can make out
[10:54] <pmjp> thanks guys later
[10:54] <m4rtin> GMSPENCE____: old thread, but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8742 says that there is no way to specify the listen host for vino
[10:54] <TiK> GMSPENCE____: localhost just means
[10:54] <TiK> the local ip
[10:54] <m4rtin> TiK: actually, it doesn't; it means the loopback address
[10:54] <m4rtin> which is only accessible from that single device
[10:55] <GMSPENCE____> yup there lies my problem
[10:55] <TiK> "only reachable on the local network" ie no exteral connections
[10:55] <GMSPENCE____> can one of u guys check ur install and see if it is just my machine?
[10:55] <TiK> so whats your issue?
[10:55] <TiK> local network != localhost
[10:55] <TiK> ok
[10:55] <TiK> i can do that
[10:56] <m4rtin> so the issue is, if vino listens on localhost, no device on the network can reach it
[10:56] <TiK> it has my local ip and my desktop
[10:56] <GMSPENCE____> in lucid it used to give the local network ip address... <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:56] <m4rtin> GMSPENCE____: could be an issue when it's statically set
[10:56] <m4rtin> can you try with DHCP and see if that resolves it?
[10:57] <TiK> mine gives the local ip addy
[10:57] <GMSPENCE____> don't have network manager installed just realised
[10:57] <GMSPENCE____> i specified my ip address using /etc/network/interfaces
[10:57] <GMSPENCE____> hmmm i wonder
[10:58] <m4rtin> GMSPENCE____: that sounds probable... although still undesirable behaviour
[10:59] <GMSPENCE____> what's the package name for the network manager again? just NetworkManager?
[10:59] <TiK> heh
[10:59] <TiK> no idea
[11:00] <GMSPENCE____> away to restart back soon
[11:01] <m4rtin> k k
[11:01] <GMSPENCE____> oh wait i just realised why i no want network manager installed
[11:01] <GMSPENCE____> i'm using that box as a dhcp server as well....
[11:04] <m4rtin> GMSPENCE____: is that a problem? Set interface to static in network manager
[11:04] <m4rtin> in fact, network manager should detect that it's static from etc network interfaces
[11:04] <GMSPENCE____> and it won't conflict with dhcp no?
[11:05] <GMSPENCE____> i've always just removed it every time i've done a reinstall as i remember way back as far as ibex it was causing problems
[11:05] <m4rtin> GMSPENCE____: as far as I'm aware, no... never done that setup, but it's certainly respected my static preferences in recent releases
[11:06] <GMSPENCE____> ok it's installing just now
[11:06] <GMSPENCE____> will give it a bash
[11:08] <m4rtin> oh dear
[11:08] <m4rtin> that didn't look good
[11:12] <gmspence_____> back
[11:12] <gmspence_____> ok installed network manager - but no devices are showing up to set the preferences for
[11:12] <m4rtin> * GMSPENCE____ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
 oh dear
 that didn't look good
[11:12] <gmspence_____> stumped
[11:12] <m4rtin> hmm, but does vino now detect it?
[11:13] <TiK> heh
[11:13] <m4rtin> it could be that there are no preferences because it's set in interfaces
[11:13] <m4rtin> if not: ubuntu-bug vino
[11:13] <m4rtin> and report that it doesn't correctly detect the IP when set via interfaces
[11:14] <gmspence_____> me thinks i'm gonna have to go down that route
[11:14] <gmspence_____> oh well
[11:15] <m4rtin> there are other vnc kits you can try to accomplish the same thing
[11:16] <m4rtin> but they are less visually orientated for setup than vino
[11:16] <m4rtin> otherwise, you can setup ssh forwarding
[11:16] <m4rtin> so get ssh listening on the network address, forwarding to localhost
[11:17] <m4rtin> oh, also:
[11:17] <m4rtin> http://www.bani.com.br/lang/en/2007/04/hidden-features-of-vino-remote-desktop-access/
[11:17] <m4rtin> you might be able to set ip:port in alternative_port
[11:19] <gmspence_____> having a look just now....
[11:52] <g0bl1n> are keyboard shortcuts working ? some fail, here
[11:53] <g0bl1n> ALT+F2 fails, custom shortcuts fail. Any hint ?
[11:56] <sobczyk> hi, anyone can help me with no sound problem? alsamixer shows all channels are there, kde4 controls shows my sound card and hdmi card, but no sound comes out of th speakers...
[11:59] <sobczyk> is happened yesterday, The sound was fine then I plugged in heaphones, and I had no more sound anymore, even after unplugging
[12:07] <sobczyk> untill pulseaudio introduction all worked much better, I had even possibility to adjust channels for my speakser....
[12:29] <sobczyk> thanks to crappy pa I had to kill virtualbox (it didi not start) and lost all my work uhh I should thank the person that invented that problematic program that didn't solve any problems but introduced new ones
[12:35] <Azelphur> sobczyk: wait, your complaining that an alpha version of an operating system is unstable?
[12:35] <Azelphur> oh no wait, it's beta now isn't it.
[12:35] <sobczyk> alpha?
[12:35] <sobczyk> PA is alpha?
[12:35] <Azelphur> Ubuntu Maverick is beta
[12:36] <yofel> pa + phonon work fine here, even when un-/plugging the headphones - then again, I only use simple stereo sound here
[12:36] <Azelphur> that said, after a recent update on maverick I've been having sound problems, flash sound and wine sound no longer work :(
[12:36] <Azelphur> anyone else having problems with it?
[12:37] <sobczyk> software not starting because PA is down is not even alpha
[12:37] <sobczyk> I killed pa, started it manually and sound works
[12:38] <sobczyk> only problem is there is no sound setting directly in kde
[12:38] <Azelphur> also, pulseaudio is beta too btw :)
[12:38] <Azelphur> pulseaudio v 0.9.21, and pulseaudio does solve lots of problems
[12:38] <sobczyk> btw might I ask why there is no channel setting in PA
[12:39] <sobczyk> I could set independently front (laptop speakers) or center (headphones)
[12:39] <sobczyk> in alsa
[12:39] <penguin42> pa seems to work these days for me better than without - although IA32-libs is currently broken meaning that flash is broken
[12:40] <sobczyk> Azelphur:  what does it solve for end user that I'm not aware of?
[12:42] <Azelphur> sobczyk: mainly per-application volume control
[12:42] <Azelphur> (imo, I don't know much about pulse)
[12:42] <sobczyk> it somehow worked for me bofore PA
[12:42] <Azelphur> penguin42: ah, so that's whats causing my flash and wine to have no sound :)
[12:42] <penguin42> Azelphur: Flash certainly if you are on 64bit; not sure about wine
[12:43] <Azelphur> Is there a bug report open? I'm waiting on that fix :p
[12:43] <Azelphur> yea I'm on 64bit, and wine is a 32bit application as it doesn't do CPU emulation
[12:43] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yeh hang on, I'll find it - if you roll back to ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu4_amd64.deb  it fixes it
[12:43] <Azelphur> cool :P
[12:44] <penguin42> hmm my original is bug 647538
[12:44] <Azelphur> cool :)
[12:44] <Azelphur> ty
[12:45] <Azelphur> if you feel like seeing if it effects wine too, just run winecfg go to audio and click test
[12:45] <Azelphur> it'll say audio test failed
[12:46] <andycc> Hey guys, upgrading to Maverick now.
[12:46] <andycc> Is there any major issue I should expect?
[12:46] <penguin42> andycc: Well then subscribe to and add a note to that I'd say
[12:47] <andycc> penguin42: Subscribe to what?
[12:47]  * penguin42 wonders wth to do with that bug; it's appeared in the last week of the beta and now stuff has frozen I don't know if it will get fixed, or if it'll get done almost immediately after release
[12:47] <penguin42> andycc: Sorry, not you - I meant Azelphur
[12:48] <andycc> Oh, sorry :D
[12:48] <Azelphur> yea :)
[12:48] <Azelphur> andycc: apparently audio with 32bit applications, such as flash just broke on 64bit :p
[12:48] <Azelphur> might effect you, probably be fixed before too long.
[12:48] <andycc> Azelphur: well I guess I'm lucky I'm on 32-bit...
[12:48] <Azelphur> :)
[12:49] <yofel> you could use native 64bit flash..
[12:49] <yofel> not in the archive though
[12:49] <sobczyk> anyone knows how to use the i/o kernel limit function
[12:50] <robisinho> hey, I was following instructions here http://crashbit.homelinux.com/node/1770 to get 3d working on my computer
[12:50] <robisinho> after I installed nouveau-firmware package, my keyboard isnt responsive in x windows -- except if I replug it in at the login
[12:51] <robisinho> so .. I uninstalled the package and .. the behavior did n ot revert!
[12:51] <robisinho> how can I fix this? I tried reinstalling gdm
[12:51] <www2> hi all
[12:51] <robisinho> its got to be something specific to nouveau instead
[12:51] <robisinho> I would guess
[12:51] <www2> i hef some problem wit reading .htaccess file
[12:52] <penguin42> robisinho: Hmm a little odd, do you have  a xorg.conf ?
[12:52] <www2> site confit http://pastebin.org/1206879
[12:52] <robisinho> no, I had to remove my olkd xorg.conf to get startx to work after first upgrading to 10.10
[12:53] <penguin42> robisinho: It's an odd interaction; input and graphics driver; when it doesn't work maybe look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[12:54] <robisinho> penguin42, let me boot it up
[12:54] <Azelphur> penguin42: where do I get ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu4_amd64.deb?
[12:56] <penguin42> Azelphur: I found it on ftp.ubuntu.com in something like ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ia32-libs
[12:56] <Azelphur> ty :)
[12:57] <robisinho> one thing I notice right away is I seem to be getting two of everything
[12:57] <robisinho> theres two echos for the nouveau driver coming online, near the top, for example
[12:58] <robisinho> ooh wait thats
[12:58] <yofel> from /var/cache/apt/archives if you still have it or try to search the out-of-sync mirrors, as the package should have been deleted from most by now
[12:58] <yofel> Azelphur: ^
[12:58] <robisinho> it says LoadModule "nv" -- but then the NOUVEAU driver is the one responding
[12:59] <robisinho> there's a huge block of errors - (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: invalid argument
[13:00] <penguin42> yofel: I really wish there was a buffer of one version somewhere
[13:00] <Azelphur> yea, I found it
[13:00] <penguin42> yofel: Was it you that spotted the missing 's' in the squid.conf init file I showed last week?
[13:00] <Azelphur> uploading it just in case anyone needs it
[13:01] <Azelphur> yup wine sound works now :D
[13:01] <robisinho> penguin42, the main thing that looks like an obvious error is the couple hundred FBIOPUTCMAP errors
[13:01] <penguin42> Azelphur: The downside is that it has an older Mesa that for me is broken :-(
[13:02] <ubuntu> hello, I downloaded kubuntu 10.10 daily-live and when I try to install nothing happens, can someone help?
[13:02] <Azelphur> yup flash works too, when the upload is done I'll put a download link on your bug report penguin42 :)
[13:02] <penguin42> ubuntu: Yeh there is a screw up in the installer, there is a fix somewhere
[13:02] <robisinho> penguin42, there's 717 of those
[13:02] <penguin42> robisinho: Want to pastebin your log somewhere?
[13:02] <yofel> penguin42: buffer: +1 squid: yes
[13:02] <robisinho> ooh
[13:03] <ubuntu> penguin42: oh
[13:03] <robisinho> yeah I might be able to figure out how to do that without a keyobard, let me futz around with it
[13:03] <penguin42> ubuntu: Now, if there was a log of this channel yesterday I could find where we'd discussed the same thing
[13:03] <yofel> !logs
[13:04] <yofel> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/25/%23ubuntu+1.html
[13:05] <penguin42> ah yes
[13:05] <penguin42> ubuntu: See http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/25/%23ubuntu+1.txt  at about 13:14
[13:06] <penguin42> ubuntu: It's a really small 2 character change in a python script but I'm not sure where the script lives!
[13:06] <robisinho> penguin42, Im not going to be able to load the url for a pastebin. got any ideas .. like how I can do that from the console?
[13:06] <penguin42> robisinho: pastebinit
[13:06] <ubuntu> /usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/misc.py it seems
[13:06] <penguin42> robisinho: It's a package that uploads to pastebins from the command line
[13:07] <penguin42> we really do need a bot that can recognise similar questions :-)
[13:07] <ubuntu> yay, it works
[13:07] <ubuntu> penguin42, yofel: thank you
[13:08] <robisinho> penguin42, thanks -- http://pastebin.com/T79HXYfQ
[13:09] <penguin42> robisinho: Well the FBIOPUTCMAP are probably related to the nouveu driver stuff at a guess, unlikely to be input
[13:10] <robisinho> penguin42, I uninstalled the nouveau-firmware already
[13:10] <robisinho> penguin42, my system was at that point in the installation guide after a vanilla 10.10 upgrade
[13:11] <penguin42> robisinho: but there are a few No input driver/identifier specified (ignoring) - but they seem to be related to the mouse and wacom pad and not hte keyboard, so I don't know
[13:12] <robisinho> penguin42, yea Im reading that those fbioputcmap errors are harmless
[13:13] <robisinho> but there sure are a lot of them :P
[13:13] <robisinho> penguin42, whats weird to me is, my system was working just fine. I do one command, apt-get install nouveau-firmware, and the keyboard stops working .. then I uninstall it and .. the system doesnt revert.
[13:14] <penguin42> robisinho: Have you done a dpkg --purge nouveau-firmware   ?
[13:14] <penguin42> robisinho: Also, did apt-get install any extra packages ?
[13:14] <robisinho> no, thank you, I'll try -- I did pastebinit
[13:14] <robisinho> and I did reinstall gdm
[13:14] <robisinho> trying to debug
[13:15] <robisinho> penguin42, I had done sudo apt-get remove nouveau-firmware
[13:16] <robisinho> dpkg wont let me purge it since it is already uninstalled .. I guess I could reinstall it and purge it :)
[13:16] <penguin42> robisinho: it sometimes leaves some /etc files around - but still I'd say it's unlikely to be the actual problem with the keyboard input
[13:16] <robisinho> penguin42, obviously it left something though
[13:17] <penguin42> robisinho: To be honest it feels more like something else happened at a similar time
[13:19] <robisinho> penguin42, yeah? but I havent installed nor uninstalled anything else at all .. well, there's the automatic system updates from that morning, but I think I even rebooted after that
[13:19] <penguin42> robisinho: Yeh I know, but it doesn't feel like it's related
[13:20] <robisinho> there was also one other thing, earlier that day I installed libphysfs1 and lincity-ng .. which didnt work either, but for a different reason) :P
[13:20] <robisinho> penguin42, no it is definitely the nouveau-firmware package, nothing else changed
[13:23] <robisinho> earlier I maganed to get xev to execute .. I cant remember how now, because the numberpad enter key doesnt work in x, but the numberpad arrow keys do
[13:23] <robisinho> anyway xev shows the keypress events

[13:28] <robisinho> ooh I just remembered -- I copied and pasted a return into the terminal :)
[13:28] <robisinho> I could have pastebinned without pastebinit :)
[13:32] <sobczyk> heh, dolphin crashes when I browse dropbox folders
[13:43] <tillux> Hi all. Is there a way to emulate a multitouch device by using multiple pointers via xi2? (e.g. by making use of two mice)
[13:47] <robisinho> how can I reinstall the whole xorg stuff? I think I might be better off doing that
[13:56] <anon33_> how do i update my vim to the latest (7.3)?
[13:57] <TheInfinity> by compiling it for yourself and make an own package
[14:00] <penguin42> anon33_: Debian seems to have 7.3.x packages in sid; you could grab there source package and rebuild it
[14:03] <Veliourass> hello
[14:03] <penguin42> hi
[14:04] <Veliourass> i just upgraded my acer netbook to 10.10 but nothing is functioning, i have no menu, mouse or programs
[14:04] <Veliourass> what should i do?
[14:05] <penguin42> Veliourass: What do you see on the screen?
[14:05] <Veliourass> nothing
[14:05] <penguin42> what's the last thing you see before it goes blank?
[14:05] <Veliourass> the only thing i see is a cursor if i plug in a usb drive, otherwise nothing
[14:06] <penguin42> Veliourass: Does ctrl-alt-f1 switch to a text console ?
[14:06] <Veliourass> ubuntu logo
[14:06] <Veliourass> penguin42 yes
[14:06] <penguin42> Veliourass: OK, do you know which graphics card you have?
[14:07] <Veliourass> no
[14:07] <Veliourass> :)
[14:07] <penguin42> Veliourass: OK, what does lspci | grep -i vga    say ?
[14:08] <Veliourass> hold on
[14:09] <Veliourass> i can not log in!
[14:09] <Veliourass> i have a screen asking for username and password
[14:10] <penguin42> and what happens if you use your normal username/password - or doesn't it let you type the username?
[14:10] <Veliourass> it does but it does not accept it
[14:11] <robisinho> anyone know how to connect to the wireless network from the console?
[14:11] <anon33_> ugh - how do i copy the same build arguments and environment variables that my current vim is set at?
[14:11]  * TheInfinity would recomment to reinstall lucid @ Veliourass - maverick is beta and its difficult to debug it. :)
[14:11] <TheInfinity> robisinho: wpa_supplicant
[14:12] <penguin42> anon33_: If you grab the debian package, the chance is that if you just rebuild the package it'll pick up the same settings (it's possible Ubuntu add some packages, I've not checked)
[14:12] <Veliourass> ok thanks
[14:12] <anon33_> penguin42: i don't really know what you mean by grabbing the debian package - sorry
[14:12] <robisinho> TheInfinity, wpa_supplicant with what options to load my standard configuration?
[14:12] <penguin42> anon33_: OK, so you'll have to stick with the version of vim that's in maverick; or explore how packaging works
[14:13] <TheInfinity> robisinho: man wpa_supplicant will help
[14:13] <TheInfinity> robisinho: but - you cant use your network manager profile
[14:14] <robisinho> TheInfinity, I see -- it doesnt actually connect wlan0, it acts as a raw snoop on a wireless network -- thanks but thats not what Im looking for
[14:14] <robisinho> I need to actually connect
[14:15] <TheInfinity> robisinho: you cant use your NetworkManager (GUI) settings at any command line wireless tools if you try this. you have to resetup :)
[14:15] <robisinho> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiTroubleshooting -- it says here sudo ifup wlan0 should do it but .. I have a wireless network that doesnt broadcast so I think for that reason I cant just do a plain vanilla sudo ifup
[14:16] <penguin42> TheInfinity: I'm not sure that's true, there is an nmcli that I found yesterday, I've not tried it but it looks promising
[14:17] <TheInfinity> penguin42: ok, this would be quite new. and networkmanager stores keys in gnome keyring, i dont know how a cli version could access them ...
[14:17] <penguin42> TheInfinity: Ah probably true if you have keys, although I guess it might be possible to unlock the keyring from a comman dline
[14:18] <robisinho> TheInfinity, but I dont use wep
[14:18] <robisinho> so all my config settings are in etc
[14:19] <robisinho> like /etc/network/if-up.d/wpasupplicant
[14:20] <robisinho> but wlan0 is already up
[14:20] <robisinho> just not connected
[14:22] <yofel> wpa_supplicant is used to connect to all wireless networks, encryption or not, but you need a wpa_supplicant.conf if you don't use NM
[14:23] <yofel> /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ shows a few examples and see the wpa_supplicant.conf manpage
[14:23] <penguin42> yofel: bug 648120
[14:24] <yofel> ah thx
[14:25] <penguin42> yofel: What's kind of surreal is that a fix just went in for squid not starting immediately post-installation, but no one seems to have made sure at the time it survived a reboot
[14:31] <Veliourass> hello again
[14:32] <Veliourass> i ma trying to install 10.10 from a usb drive
[14:33] <robisinho> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid "foo" && sudo dhclient wlan0  -- that's how
[14:33] <Veliourass> but iget a command like "no init found. try passing init=bootarg"
[14:33] <Veliourass> then what?
[14:34] <Veliourass> now i see something like (initramfs)
[14:41] <knittl> hi guys. font in menu entries is broken in helper application. any poniters?
[14:41] <knittl> * pointers
[14:41] <anon33_> could anyone help me set up vim 7.3 with the same configuration environment on meerkat?
[14:41] <knittl> anon33_: hm?
[14:42] <knittl> simply copy the config file
[14:42] <anon33_> knittl: where's that stored?
[14:42] <knittl> that depends. systemwide is /etc/vim/vimrc, userconfig is ~/.vimrc
[14:43] <anon33_> knittl: oh, not those settings - the environment that vim is compiled with (do vim --version)
[14:43] <knittl> Huge version without GUI.
[14:43] <knittl> install the correct package? vim-full vim-tiny vim-runtime vim-extra vim-…
[14:44] <knittl> it's vim 7.2 here btw
[14:44] <yofel> anon33_: the configure options are in the debian/rules file in the source package
[14:44] <anon33_> yofel: i'd like to copy the configuration options that are set for the 7.2 environment
[14:45] <yofel> and the ubuntu package has a few modifications from the debian package which makes merging them a bit time-consuming
[14:45] <yofel> anon33_: well, the ./configure ... line is in debian/rules, copy the right one from there
[14:45] <robisinho> how can I reinstall the whole xorg subsystem? is there anything like sudo apt-get install --autoreinstall ? or something to reinstall all the dependant packages ?
[14:46] <penguin42> robisinho: There are many packages and you could do a reinstall on every one, I still doubt it would solve your keyboard problem
[14:47] <knittl> looks like this: http://en.dogeno.us/2010/01/fix-garbage-menu-fonts-in-evince-karmicubuntu-9-10/
[14:48] <knittl> http://en.dogeno.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2010010602.png – my entries have numbers inside the squares
[14:48] <yofel> well, depends on the font, squares in general means missing charakters in the used font
[14:49] <robisinho> penguin42, yeah .. especially since at least one package is writing changes somewhere that it doesnt track, or the uninstall would have fixed it.. but Ive got to try something
[14:49] <knittl> yofel: i tried changing fonts (dejavu, libertine, sans, times)
[14:49] <penguin42> (Does yelp still give lots of squares for people - it has done for at least 6 months ?)
[14:49] <yofel> either that or it's trying to use characters that don't exist anywhere (which would be a bug)
[14:50] <knittl> it's only in help
[14:52] <knittl> find and find again + 3 entries in about are readable
[14:53] <taomaster> is there a way to upgrade to 10.10 when in 10.4.1 lts?
[14:53] <knittl> update-manager -d
[14:54] <knittl> or wait 2 weeks
[14:54] <taomaster> are you using 10.10?
[14:54] <knittl> yes
[14:54] <taomaster> no isuues?
[14:54] <packrat_> hey guys, trying to track down a bug in the beta.
[14:54] <knittl> yofel: do entries work in your help-application?
[14:55] <knittl> taomaster: right now no
[14:55] <yofel> I don't use gnome
[14:55] <knittl> but there will be
[14:55] <knittl> hm. anybody else? open help and see if menu looks ok. please :)
[14:55] <packrat_> on it.
[14:55] <packrat_> WOAH
[14:55] <packrat_> uh no
[14:55] <packrat_> its broke
[14:56] <knittl> ok, so it's really a bug and not me
[14:56] <packrat_> well not completely broke but all the icons are screwy
[14:56] <knittl> icons? i'm talking bout the font
[14:56] <packrat_> what are you seeing?
[14:56] <knittl> squares with numbers in them
[14:56] <packrat_> i got that at the top
[14:56] <knittl> like characters are missing in a font
[14:57] <packrat_> oh thats what that is?
[14:57] <packrat_> haha dude even if you hover over it
[14:57] <packrat_> you get more.
[14:57]  * duffydack weeps silently for fglrx
[14:57] <packrat_> ?
[14:57] <packrat_> are they killing it?
[14:58] <IdleOne> knittl: getting same here
[14:58] <knittl> hm. wondering nobody noticed so far
[14:58] <packrat_> agreed. its a bug
[14:58] <packrat_> knittl - you really think anyone actually reads the help?
[14:58] <IdleOne> knittl: I never use the help menu :/
[14:59] <knittl> me neither
[14:59] <packrat_> worked for a software house once where the help was to major releases out of date. no one noticed for a year.
[14:59] <knittl> but i thought my system was broken (it often is)
[14:59] <knittl> packrat_: well, it's not the help that is broken it's the help viewer
[14:59] <packrat_> anyone seen some resolution strangeness from the login window?
[15:00] <packrat_> yeah youre right knittl
[15:01] <knittl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/630497
[15:01] <packrat_> i wanna know if this is just the fact its running on an ibm or if its just foobar
[15:01] <knittl> oh, dupe
[15:01] <packrat_> woops
[15:01] <AKPP> i have an issue with my youtube audio: it isn'but working (the video is, though). i've had the same problem before but i forgot the solution, can anyone help me?
[15:01] <packrat_> is alsa seeing it ?
[15:02] <AKPP> are you asking me?
[15:02] <knittl> woah, this bug has a lot of dupes
[15:02] <headstrong> AKPP: change your sound output setting to the alsa
[15:02] <packrat_> akpp: can you see the...yeah do what headstrong sed.
[15:02] <AKPP> how? i'm a giant noob :)
[15:03] <headstrong> ...
[15:03] <packrat_> -_-
[15:03] <headstrong> AKPP: if you cure your sound delay, it's the bug of pulseaudio
[15:03] <packrat_> knittl - *poke poke*
[15:03] <AKPP> okay look
[15:03] <knittl> packrat_: yes
[15:03] <knittl> i'm here :)
[15:04] <packrat_> knittl: you notice any video issues yet? r u using ati? or nvidia
[15:04] <knittl> i'm using nvidia
[15:04] <packrat_> crap.
[15:04] <knittl> the only problem i had – and probably still have – is no suspend with nouveau
[15:04] <packrat_> nvidia is typically better.
[15:04] <packrat_> that seems to be working on this one.
[15:05] <AKPP> headstrong my only two sound output options are internal audio or my gfx card. my sound works fine for everything except youtube and similar
[15:05] <packrat_> my loginwindow is a diff res then my desktop
[15:05] <headstrong> AKPP: then you can focus on flash relatives now
[15:06] <knittl> packrat_: maybe nvidia is setting it wrongly
[15:06] <knittl> have a look at your xorg.conf
[15:06] <AKPP> headstrong, i was hoping you could maybe tell me what my problem was
[15:06] <packrat_> knittl: using the opensource ati thingie. i looked around for it, but i cant find it!
[15:07] <knittl> hmm, then i don't know
[15:07] <packrat_> knittl: i didnt know if they moved it or what
[15:07] <knittl> i'm a rather happy nvidia-user :D
[15:07] <headstrong> AKPP: sorry, i don't use flash,activex or java and etc.
[15:07] <AKPP> alright
[15:07] <packrat_> knittl: main box runs a 9800gtx - this is an ibm t41...no nvidia...
[15:07] <knittl> packrat_: no, it's still in the same place, but not needed anymore
[15:08] <packrat_> knittl: so if its not needed anymore, then that would be why i cant see it?
[15:08] <packrat_> a default install, it wouldnt exist aye?
[15:08] <knittl> packrat_: not needed = deleted by default
[15:09] <packrat_> knittl: ah. so here is where the bug may lie.
[15:09] <headstrong> on a new box, even a built-in graphic chip is fast as a nvidia gforce 6200 or more
[15:09] <headstrong> without the fglrx driver
[15:09] <packrat_> knittl: when i try to set the resolution and make it default i get an error
[15:09] <knittl> fixed yelp :D
[15:10] <penguin42> knittl: Yeh?
[15:10] <Acidphase> does anyone know if there was a fix for 10.9 catalyst and Xorg 1.9/linux 2.6.35 setup that maverick uses ?
[15:10] <Acidphase> or is ATI just being retarded again
[15:10] <knittl> penguin42: now it won't be translated, but i use an english system, so that does not hurt me
[15:10] <packrat_> AH a fellow ati user!
[15:11] <knittl> penguin42: renaming yelp.mo helps
[15:11] <Acidphase> lol
[15:11] <Acidphase> I'm not going past my current kernel till these guys get their shit together
[15:11] <packrat_> Acid: i think im using the open source thing. Catalyst crashed my setup last time i tried to use it.
[15:12] <Acidphase> yep
[15:12] <Acidphase> which is why I'm in Lucid
[15:12] <penguin42> I think I read fglrx finally works on 10.10 - but I'm using the open driver
[15:12] <Acidphase> =P
[15:12] <penguin42> Acidphase: Which card?
[15:12] <Acidphase> 5870
[15:12] <Acidphase>  os[Linux 2.6.35-14-generic x86_64]  distro[Ubuntu "lucid" 10.04]  cpu[4 x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 800MHz]  mem[Physical: 7.8GB, 84.9% free]  disk[Total: 2.1TB, 87.7% free]  video[ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 5870]  sound[USB-Audio - SB Arena Headset1: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic2: HDA-In
[15:12] <Acidphase> tel - HDA ATI SB]
[15:12] <packrat_> this is my beta test box, heh my other ones are still in lucid.
[15:12] <penguin42> hmm, the 5xxx support on the open drivers is _very_ new; I'm not even sure it works on 10.10 for 3d
[15:12] <knittl> find and find next probably just weren't translated
[15:13]  * penguin42 uses a 4350 and that works great; but I know a new mesa went in and I think that had 5xxx support, but very new
[15:13] <jascotty2> I just upgraded to the beta release, and now I get something like '/usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconf-sanity-check-2 error, returns 32512', and the login screen won't show..
[15:13] <jascotty2> anyone know how to fix this?
[15:13] <Acidphase> ya well I dont want to kill my gaming all in the sake of going to maverick
[15:13] <headstrong> catalyst is not bad. if you don't use fglrx, the performance is about 1/4
[15:13] <packrat_> sanity check means you need to see a shrink. I know a few good ones in the five boros?
[15:13] <packrat_> jk :-) little QA humor.
[15:13] <Acidphase> :)
[15:14] <penguin42> Acidphase: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/fglrx-finally-works-with-ubuntu-1010.html
[15:14] <headstrong> if you have a 4ghz cpu, vlc and mplayer are nothing for your built-in igp
[15:14]  * Acidphase wants to use fglrx
[15:14] <Acidphase> nice
[15:14]  * Acidphase reads
[15:14] <packrat_> reading.
[15:15] <headstrong> mesa comsums a lot of horsepower of cpu
[15:16] <packrat_> should i try it?
[15:16]  * packrat_ is nervous.
[15:16] <headstrong> fglrx is not perfect yet
[15:17] <packrat_> rawr i gotta figure out where the loginwindow resolution is set, this is bugging me
[15:17] <Acidphase> ya I'm going to wait for the full version at minimum
[15:17] <Acidphase> (for 10.10)
[15:17] <Acidphase> lets see if ATI makes a move to
[15:18] <packrat_> grrr. ati bugs me. i had to switch to nvidia on my main box cuz theyre so goofy.
[15:18] <headstrong> you have to reinstall non-lts ubuntu per year, would you care?
[15:19] <packrat_> ?
[15:19] <Acidphase> can tell you next time I going to build  a Intel setup, it's gay that AMD and ATI are one now one company as I miss the old setups with nvidia/amd , think the last time I was this disappointed is when 3dFX went under
[15:20] <packrat_> omfg. yeah.
[15:20] <headstrong> 3dfx = voodoo cards?
[15:20] <packrat_> i think i may still have a voodoo 4 laying around somewhere.
[15:20] <Acidphase> yep
[15:20] <packrat_> yah
[15:21] <headstrong> i am sick of its cascade configs
[15:21] <packrat_> hell i found a viper 2 in a box the other day
[15:21] <Acidphase> I forget I had quite  few voodoo's
[15:21] <Acidphase> think I have a voodoo 5 somewhere
[15:21] <packrat_> i actually have an X2 with an nforce mobo.
[15:21] <packrat_> but all the new ones have all this lamo ati shit in them.
[15:21] <Acidphase> lol
[15:21] <headstrong> iirc, 3dfx had a mini opengl standard
[15:22] <IdleOne> Can we all please keep the language clean
[15:22] <Acidphase> "Glide"
[15:22] <headstrong> umm
[15:22] <packrat_> sorry.
[15:22] <packrat_> Glide was fun.
[15:22] <headstrong> 3dfx was dead with dos i think
[15:22] <Acidphase> dos?
[15:22] <headstrong> the dos age
[15:22] <Acidphase> lol UT99 was specifically built around glide drivers
[15:23] <Acidphase> so way after dos
[15:23] <packrat_> didnt nvidia buy out 3dfx? AND s3?
[15:23] <Acidphase> yes
[15:23] <headstrong> they did
[15:23] <packrat_> i miss my viper 2 man that thing was awesome.
[15:23] <headstrong> s3 = via, now
[15:23] <packrat_> wait, via makes vid cards now?! O_O
[15:23] <Acidphase> but like everything else was about D3D with Nvidia
[15:23] <Acidphase> kinda like directX now
[15:24] <headstrong> i used to hope to build a full-via system
[15:24] <Acidphase> lol
[15:24] <packrat_> like with the old cyrix procs?
[15:24] <headstrong> but they are too lame, no new products at all
[15:24] <Acidphase> think I used to have a KIII or something
[15:24] <penguin42> still has a 3dfx card somewhere, I should find a box with a PCI card and see if Maverick works with it....
[15:24] <Acidphase> with via setup
[15:25] <headstrong> no, with a multi-core nano cpu
[15:25] <packrat_> o, i kinda fell off the hardware game for a while.
[15:25] <headstrong> but via nano is stuck in 2.0ghx
[15:25] <headstrong> ghz
[15:25] <packrat_> life got real hectic.
[15:25] <Acidphase> indeed
[15:25] <packrat_> interesting
[15:26] <packrat_> ireally need to get a 4 core.
[15:26] <Acidphase> I just remember when 3DFX folded and all the new UT users that had nvidia cards we're all messed up
[15:26] <Acidphase> I had made patch till thing got straight
[15:26] <Acidphase> things*
[15:26] <packrat_> SC2 struggles when i get mobbed.
[15:26] <headstrong> if via could boost their nano cpu upto 4ghz, i would support them
[15:27] <headstrong> but i think intel would sue via to death again
[15:27] <packrat_> oh haha i got ETCH running with a GUI on my wii recently? that was fun.
[15:28] <Acidphase> I need a smoke and wife is hovering around , I can feel her oppressing thoughts: "Is he going to stay on that $$@#^ all day"
[15:28] <packrat_> LOL
[15:28] <packrat_> antone here actually do QA for a living?
[15:29] <Acidphase> =P
[15:29] <Acidphase> no...
[15:29] <headstrong> Acidphase: don't care about your fat wife's wish
[15:29] <packrat_> *anyone*
[15:29]  * Acidphase p00f I still need a smoke
[15:29] <Acidphase> =P
[15:29]  * packrat_ just made one
[15:29]  * headstrong saw fascists punished Acidphase
[15:31] <headstrong> if your wife is elder than 30, you are in danger
[15:31] <packrat_> so im searching the file system for 1360 x (with contains in txt) to see if i can find where this res config is hiding
[15:32] <headstrong> packrat_: your can check your xorg.0.log first
[15:33] <packrat_> where is that exactly ?
[15:33] <packrat_> nvm
[15:33] <headstrong> /usr/log
[15:34] <headstrong> xorg can always understand my monitor's edid info
[15:34] <packrat_> weird. no log
[15:34] <packrat_> and i dont have an xorg.conf file
[15:34] <Acidphase> she isn't 30 yet
[15:35] <headstrong> packrat_: is there a .xsession-errors under your home directory?
[15:35] <Acidphase> someone else I know just had that problem
[15:36] <packrat_> what? with your wife being 30? or with my resolution thing?
[15:36] <Acidphase> the conf isnt the xorg.conf.d ?
[15:37] <penguin42> I've got one machine/monitor combo that can't read edid and always gets stuck at the same res
[15:37] <packrat_> hold on found .xsession-errors
[15:37] <headstrong> penguin42: maybe it doesn't load a proper kernel module
[15:37] <penguin42> headstrong: No, you don't need modules for that
[15:38] <packrat_> uh ok its huge.
[15:38] <Acidphase> what happens when you type : locate xorg.conf
[15:38] <packrat_> it looks ate me funny
[15:38] <packrat_> ok
[15:39] <headstrong> penguin42: iirc, some old crt monitors have no edid or other features
[15:39] <packrat_> i got one in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-nouveau/examples
[15:39] <Acidphase> which card are you using
[15:39] <penguin42> headstrong: Yeh, in this case it's a modern LCD, it just doesn't seem to like EDID
[15:39] <packrat_> and i have a folder named xorg.conf.d
[15:40] <packrat_> um....i forget its one of those mobility things in the ibm t41, lemme check
[15:40] <Acidphase> ya should have all your mouse and kybaords stuff in the .d
[15:40] <headstrong> penguin42: what's the standard which a lcd like?
[15:40] <packrat_> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[15:40] <headstrong> penguin42: (don't tell me that a lcd is lamer than a crt)
[15:40] <packrat_> i do acid. no video settings tho
[15:40] <penguin42> headstrong: I guess it's either just a bad flash burn or a design screw up; it's fine on the DVI but it won't edid on the VGA
[15:41] <Acidphase> and your running 10.10 I assume
[15:41] <headstrong> penguin42: that's what i doubt about lcd and dvi
[15:41] <packrat_> correct
[15:41] <packrat_> they finally fixed the grub issue with the thinkpad's apparently :-)
[15:42] <Acidphase> did you just try to install the fglrx or something?
[15:42] <packrat_> nah i just upgraded from 10.04
[15:42] <packrat_> wanted to lend some of my qa'ing to the project
[15:42] <headstrong> penguin42: in theory, a lcd should support edid-like features
[15:42] <Acidphase> what I did the last time is not build the packages
[15:42] <penguin42> headstrong: Oh yeh, it's just a screw up
[15:42] <Acidphase> I just let it to a auto install from the catalyst installer
[15:43] <packrat_> you want me to install catalyst?
[15:43] <Acidphase> then I didnt do aticonfig --inititial
[15:43] <packrat_> O_O
[15:43] <Acidphase> "didn't"
[15:43] <Acidphase> for some reason thats was f0xuring it
[15:43] <packrat_> sooooooo....
[15:43] <headstrong> penguin42: if a old crt can send info to the graphic card by only a poor line, why can't a modern lcd do same thing?
[15:44] <packrat_> course of action is to install catalyst?
[15:44] <Acidphase> but I'm only using 2.6.35-14-generic right now
[15:44] <penguin42> headstrong: Oh I'm sure it's just a {design screw up, broken line, someone forgot to flash the edid chip}
[15:44] <headstrong> penguin42: eh?
[15:45] <penguin42> headstrong: Yeh it *should* work
[15:45] <headstrong> penguin42: how about hdmi?
[15:45] <penguin42> headstrong: Haven't tried it
[15:46] <headstrong> umm
[15:46]  * headstrong trusts a crt
[15:47]  * headstrong trusts a crt with sync-on-green
[15:47] <packrat_> ugh i haz a hedache
[15:47] <headstrong> what's up?
[15:47] <penguin42> headstrong: The real problem is that the monitor/config GUI on Gnome won't let you set a resolution if xrandr/edid didn't auto detect it, so you have to attack the xorg.conf
[15:47] <packrat_> i need to take a break this has been bothering me for a bit. im gonna run to the store.
[15:48] <headstrong> in theory, they can choose a proper resolution automaticly, after the chat between them
[15:49] <headstrong> s/chat/communication
[15:49] <packrat_> wait
[15:50] <headstrong> my fglrx can't detect the monitor well too
[15:50] <packrat_> the bug is actually in display-properties whatever
[15:50] <headstrong> that's why i don't install it
[15:50] <packrat_> cuz it can do "make default"
[15:51] <headstrong> penguin42: have you tried a modline hack?
[15:51] <penguin42> headstrong: Oh yeh, if I stuff a modeline in it's happy
[15:51] <headstrong> this hack is not rock science
[15:51] <headstrong> worth of $0
[15:52] <headstrong> s/rock/rocket
[15:52] <penguin42> headstrong: It's a pain having to do it though; shouldn't have to edit xorg.conf's in the 21st century!
[15:52] <headstrong> sure
[15:52] <headstrong> i don't need a xorg.conf so far
[15:53] <headstrong> ubuntu is too awesome
[15:54] <headstrong> on my new rig, the defualt ubuntu dettings (mesaa) gives me better performance against a old agp nvidia 6200 card
[15:55] <headstrong> nvidia 6200 with the binary-only driver
[15:56] <headstrong> so, ubuntu and my new rig are awesome
[15:58] <penguin42> Anyone tried downloading and installing google earth on maverick? (I mean downloading fresh)
[15:58] <penguin42> I'm getting setup.data/setup.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty   on trying to install either the 5.1 or 5.2 versions
[16:29] <Adys> pulseaudio broken in latest update?
[16:31] <penguin42> Adys: For flash and 32bit apps if you are on 64bit
[16:32] <penguin42> Adys: The ia32-libs package needs some TLC
[16:32] <Adys> Ah yah i see
[16:32] <Adys> yeah, flash and wine, didnt think to test a 64bit app
[16:32] <KukuNut> for 64-bit use the native flash plugin
[16:32] <Azelphur> Adys: yes, it is
[16:33] <Azelphur> the solution is to rollback a package
[16:33] <Azelphur> Adys: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/647538
[16:33] <Adys> cheers.
[16:34] <Adys> is it in any way related to the runlevel issues?
[16:34] <Adys> runlevel:/var/run/utmp: No such file or directory
[16:36] <penguin42> Adys: Not seen any runlevel issues
[16:36] <penguin42> Adys: The flash/wine bugs are only a sound issue I'm fairly sure
[16:36] <Adys> yah, rolling back fixed it
[16:36] <Adys> thanks
[16:37] <Adys> seems unrelated to runlevel
[16:40] <penguin42> Actually probably not just sound, it seems like a bunch of libraries missing
[16:41] <Volkodav> will ia32-libs still show as ubuntu5 or the fixed release be ubuntu6 ?
[16:42] <Adys> penguin42: yah
[16:42] <Adys> pretty much affects any 3d apps through wine :)
[16:43] <Adys> brb.
[16:45] <om26er> I installed maverick beta on two different netbooks now when I update it asks me to download alot of stuff. is there a way I could use a daily build of maverick so that I dont have to download packages?
[16:45] <om26er> * daily build to update those systems
[16:52] <om26er> cdimage.ubuntu seems to be getting a look http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20100926/
[16:58] <duffydack> ooo fglrx now works.. yipee
[17:03] <m4rtin> duffydack: what was broken with it?
[17:04] <m4rtin> duffydack: I installed it yesterday and, since then, have issues with bootscreen, but that's it
[17:16] <duffydack> have not tried installing for a while, and expected it to appear in hardware drivers when it was fixed/working.. appears not.  ill try it in a bit
[17:21] <Rounin> Hello! After upgrading to the Kubuntu Maverick beta, there's no setting for setting the CPU frequency scaling policy anymore... What might one do to remedy that?
[17:21] <packrat_> back
[17:30] <penguin42> Rounin: Hmm, there is here
[17:31] <penguin42> Rounin: i7-860 running Gnome, on the CPU Frequency Monitor I can pick speed and policy - not got KDE
[17:32] <penguin42> ooh a fresh new ia32-libs
[17:32] <penguin42> hmm, not made it to the mirror yet
[17:34]  * penguin42 giggles as Chrome decides that ftp://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ia32-libs/ is in Malay and would I like to translate it
[17:39] <bjsnider> penguin42, you mean chromium? i wouldn't use chrome
[17:45] <duffydack> that went well, not
[17:55] <jbroome> anyone else having KVM troubles?  VMs not starting with permission denied errors to the disk .img?
[18:18] <tcopeland> can anyone tell me how to remove xorg-edgers from my system and replace it with the proprietary drivers? it turns out edgers made my graphics worse.
[18:18] <tcopeland> oh and by the way the proprietary drivers are nvidia
[18:22] <yofel> tcopeland: use ppa-purge to remove the edgers ppa, and after that use jockey to install the nvidia drivers
[18:23] <tcopeland> but won't the actual edgers drivers still be installed?
[18:25] <yofel> tcopeland: no, ppa-purge downgrades the packages
[18:25] <bjsnider> i don't see how edgers would screw up the nvidia blob. but x-updates is a more conservative choice
[18:27] <penguin42> bjsnider: I do mean chromium
[18:27] <penguin42> jbroome: Perms on kvm seem to have changed quite heavily - they're a bit odd
[18:29] <tcopeland> ok thanks
[18:29] <tcopeland> what's the current nvidia again?
[18:30] <yofel> tcopeland: nvidia-current (260.19.06)
[18:30] <yofel> ooops, that's from x-updates
[18:30] <yofel> maverick is 256.53
[18:30] <tcopeland> thanks
[18:40] <penguin42> new ia32-libs has hit gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:41] <penguin42> Does anyone know what libjasper is?
[18:42] <edgy> Hi, any help with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/642230
[18:44] <WXZ> if I extend my system partition w/ gparted
[18:44] <WXZ> how many things will blow up?
[18:45] <penguin42> WXZ: If you make them bigger it should break nothing as long as you are careful not to overlap other stuff
[18:45] <WXZ> hmmm... ok
[18:45] <WXZ> I have partitions immediately after it
[18:45] <WXZ> swap and then another partition
[18:46] <WXZ> are they going to get moved or is stuff going to go wrong
[19:00] <Guest1338> Greets, everyone... I'm trying to boot Kubuntu 10.10 (I tried the beta, then today's build), but I keep getting this message "No init found. Try passing init= bootarg." followed by a BusyBox prompt. Any ideas?
[19:11] <jbroome> penguin42: yeah, i've tried making it complain in apparmor but that's not working.  i have my kvm images in my home dir instead of /var/lib/libvir/images.  wonder if that's throwing it off
[19:19] <yofel> Guest1338: hm.. did you check the iso checksum / if the disk is ok?
[19:22] <jamesw> hi all
[19:22] <jamesw> i can't get my nvidia-settings program to remember my user-level resolution settings.
[19:23] <jamesw> anyone have any tips?
[19:26] <Guest1338> I'll try that, yofel. Thanks.
[19:26] <yofel> that would be my first guess, not sure where it would break otherwise..
[19:26] <yofel> missed :/
[19:36] <duffydack> fglrx doesnt work for me still.
[19:39] <duffydack> at bootup it immediately starts spawning nautilus processes so fast I have a panel full of them that you cant even see what they are after 3-5 seconds
[19:40] <penguin42> why nautilus processes?
[19:41] <duffydack> I can killall nautilus a few times to finally get them closed down,  then I tried to run ccc but says driver not loaded.
[19:41] <duffydack> penguin42, n idea.
[19:41] <duffydack> no*
[19:41] <penguin42> duffydack: What does Xorg.0.log say about it?
[19:44] <duffydack> ive removed and rebooted since.. it says nothing containing fglrx or nautilus
[19:45] <duffydack> nautilus-elementary might have something to do with it..
[19:45] <duffydack> dunno why but i`ll try it again in a bit..i`ll remove elementary
[19:52] <BajK> Why don't those automatic codec installers work in Kubuntu 10.10? It says "There are additional packages available" blabla when starting rekonq or amarok but when clicking on "Install" it just says "Package '' cannot be found"
[19:52] <BajK> ok seems to have been fixed recently
[19:53] <Q-FUNK> hi!  has the method used to generate motd changed once more?
[19:54] <duffydack> well thats nautilus-elementary removed... no spawning mass processes now, but still no driver loaded
[20:10] <duffydack> there we go :)  didnt issue aticonfig --initial :)  been so long since Ive had to do that.
[20:11] <jamesw> has anyone else noticed a reverb or echo problem with the sound after latest upgrades?
[20:30] <jamesw> a friend has an older computer on ubuntu 10.04, should he upgrade to 10.10? is there any speed improvements or slowdowns?
[20:42] <guntbert> jamesw: its still beta - so good for testing but not for production systems
[20:42] <jamesw> guntbert: right, i understand that, i was asking about performance
[20:43] <jamesw> is 10.10 any faster or slower than 10.04?
[20:43] <guntbert> jamesw: I really don't know but why do you expect any differences at all?
[20:43] <jamesw> newer everything
[20:43] <jamesw> ?
[20:44] <jamesw> new kernel? new drivers? new xorg?
[20:44] <jamesw> woudln't that have a performance impact one way or another?
[20:45] <guntbert> jamesw: not necessarily noticeable :-)
[20:45] <jamesw> ty
[21:09] <Kurlon> Afternoon all, hopefully an easy question: Has the switch been flipped setting builds to requiring a class 5 (pentium) or higher CPU yet?
[21:10] <kklimonda> afair yes
[21:11] <Kurlon> Bugger, no updating my soekris from now on then.
[21:26] <Kurlon> Wish that detail had been noted as coming down the pike on the Maverick Alpha pages so I wouldn't have built around it in the first place, d-oh.
[21:26] <Kurlon> Now I've just got to settle on an appropriate replacement machine I guess, either ARM or Atom based I think.
[21:44] <Malkavian_> hi, I am using Kubuntu Maverick and wanted to delete from KMail the last used email addresses; after deleting them, my contact list is empty
[21:44] <Malkavian_> is there any way to restore the contact list??
[21:45] <Malkavian_> any file somewhere that I could copy?
[21:47] <blue_anna> anyone else getting core dumps from empathy?: GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Empathy' is not installed
[21:48] <blue_anna> yet: grep "Empathy" /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled  ==> Binary file /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled matches
[22:54] <realslix_> hi, is it possible to install oracle java in mavarick
[22:55] <realslix_> i only know how it works over the dowload site od oracle
[22:55] <realslix_> but is there a direct possibilty over "apt"
[22:55] <Rods_Tiger> what is so special about the linux-swap filesystem type?
[23:26] <ToxinPowe> After updates, I can boot even with recovery mode and two kernels, any typs plz?
[23:33] <ToxinPowe> tips* srt
[23:47] <yofel_> great, my system just froze solid, first time on maverick o.O
[23:47] <BUGabundo> woot
[23:48] <BUGabundo> yofel: blame Elmo


 Stock Ubuntu seems to be the most popular in terms of amount I've seeded.. :
 obviously :D
 is kubuntu number 2?
 Nope Xubuntu
 Then Mate
 followed by Kubuntu
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> nice
 got a screenshot of the seeds / peers for each flavor?
 Here is what I'm seeing :
 Seed ratio of almost 42...  thats just crazy to see.
 strange that the peers on ubuntu and xubuntu are so low and they are so high on all the other distros
 100GB in like 24hrs..
 i want to start seeding as well, so i'm updating my beta isos to release isos
 Just curious if you open the torrent do you need more on your send?
 sorry didn't follow
 Like in my Xubuntu torrent.   My client is only reporting 7 seeders.   Shouldn't there be more?
 Like how at launch I was seeing WAY more.....
 Forwarded from troyBORG: SEEDING... :
 Thanks for all your seeding Troy, and others who helped to seed, and continue to seed focal/20.04 (re @troyBORG: )
 yes i was curious about the same thing when i saw your screenshot (re @troyBORG: Like in my Xubuntu torrent.   My client is only reporting 7 seeders.   Shouldn't there be more?)
 how things going @guiverc
 When you get your seeding going you'll have to share what your client reports for seeds/peers
[08:29] <guiverc> Good thanks @philipz  (I'm tired still, but glad it's ~over; a few bugs appearing as expected).  All good your end, happy with results etc?
 well going to ubuntu's website, they are pointing directly at the ISO file, so i guess that would be why they have less on the torrents
 https://www.speedtest.net/result/9065987382.png
 My speeds
 Supposed to be 75/75 fiber
 guiverc: yep it was quite hectic yesterday and the day before, but things have cooled down since
[08:33] <guiverc> :)
 i filed this against xubuntu, but wonder if any other flavors are having this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/1874981

 @troyBORG those are my numbers for ubuntu
 264 seeds and 380 peers
 is there an issue with the network installer, as the ubuntu download page gives the 18.04 installer https://imgur.com/wgjsPnX.png
 https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads#bittorrents
[08:40] <guiverc> philipz, I can confirm my last xub20.04 daily (20200423) doesn't have ^C on a BIOS box; I don't know if that's the same ISO as released ISO
 is it the same on lubuntu?
[08:41] <guiverc> was still booting Lubuntu; nope my latest Lubuntu (daily) has a ^C message; but a bug I recall being raised about that near release time
 @popeydc @wimpress want to bring this to your attention if you didnt already know (re @philipz: is there an issue with the network installer, as the ubuntu download page gives the 18.04 installer https://imgur.com/wgjsPnX.png)
 I dont understand the issue. Please link
[08:43] <guiverc> @philipz  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1870018
 @popeydc on this page (re @philipz: https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads#bittorrents)
 it mentions the 18.04 network installer rather than 20.04
 guiverc thanks

 ok
 done
 @troyBORG here are my stats :
[14:20] <ItzSwirlz> Hello all
[14:29] <ItzSwirlz> Hi
[14:29] <Sparrow_> Hi
[14:29] <ItzSwirlz> there we go
[14:29] <ItzSwirlz> Welcome to Freenode IRC
[14:29] <Sparrow_> Yayyyyyyyyyyyy
[14:29] <Sparrow_> *cough
 Okay, so this is my friend who moved away and I wanted to bring him to Telegram,, but he didn't have a # so I brought him to irc
[15:13] <JPeisach> oy, crazy hexchat
 Welcome
 welcome Thelast
 Thx
[15:32] <ItzSwirlz> Welcome
 Thelast which flavor are you here for and have you found any bugs that you wanted to report
 lubuntu, not yet (re @philipz: Thelast which flavor are you here for and have you found any bugs that you wanted to report)
 Thanks 😀 (re @philipz: welcome @uD4ra)
[16:18] <ItzSwirlz> So we already have Groovy ISO's.
[16:18] <ItzSwirlz> just netboot and upgrade
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/groovy-changes/2020-April/date.html
[17:13] <anonymouse_0001> hello to all ...
[17:15] <oerheks> Yubikey has issues with their PPA, should be mentioned at the releasenotes?
[17:15] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~yubico/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[17:17] <anonymouse_0001> I installed kubuntu 20.04, everything went well ...selecting the OS from Grub it is selected and loaded ... after it creates an error and does not allow me to divide the desktop ... can you help me find a solution? this is the xorg log link ...
[17:17] <anonymouse_0001> https://pastebin.com/5YUCSTMC
[17:18] <oerheks> anonymouse_0001, join #kubuntu for support questions?
[17:19] <anonymouse_0001> thank's
 hey guys after updating ubuntu 18.4 to  20.04 when I change keyboard language on ru layout Super key doesn't respond, maybe somebody solved this issue?
 and also I've noticed that this is not the lang problem cause when I make ru layout main it work. So Super key don't work with secondary and third layout(language) (re @zeyjam106: hey guys after updating ubuntu 18.4 to  20.04 when I change keyboard language on ru layout Super key doesn't respond, maybe somebody solved this issue?)
[17:58] <fossfreedom> its a known issue - waiting to be resolved by the GNOME devs
 ok Thanks a lot (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <fossfreedom> its a known issue - waiting to be resolved by the GNOME devs)
 @RikMills - have you seen this blur before on Kubuntu 20.04? I have a test install I was checking something out - and came across this. :
 No, never (re @bashfulrobot: )
 Best spot to report?
 necvermind - reading the wiki as we speak
 nevermind - reading the wiki as we speak (edited)
 It certainly won't be a packaging issue, so my 1st stop would be to search bugs.kde.org to see if there are any existing reports (re @bashfulrobot: Best spot to report?)
 Forwarded to the KDE Visual Design Group, because if there is a UI bug like that, they are a good candidate for knowing.
 Nothingb matches that I can see. I'll dig deeper

 It is very odd!
 I was quite suprised. haha. But the release looks really solid other wise
 Not had any other reports, so I think you have a weird graphics card! (re @bashfulrobot: I was quite suprised. haha. But the release looks really solid other wise)
 Nvidia 960. (re @RikMills: Not had any other reports, so I think you have a weird graphics card!)
 @bashfulrobot Nvidia?
 yup
 Older though
 Forwarded from CarlSchwan: looks like nvidia
 Forwarded from CarlSchwan: but I didn't get this sort of bug since a long time
 ^^ from VDG
 When I boot back into that system I'll checkout the driver version, etc.
 Thanks!
 no prob!
 get me that info and card version. there is a KDE dev who might find such a report interesting (re @bashfulrobot: When I boot back into that system I'll checkout the driver version, etc.)
 Fort now though, I am having a 🍺
 For now though, I am having a 🍺 (edited)
 Will do!
  (re @troyBORG: https://www.speedtest.net/result/9065987382.pngMy speeds)
 ?
 /me tries from linode vps
 https://www.speedtest.net/result/9339378170.png
 cheating slightly 🤣
 What kinda cheating speed you got there?  You directly plugged in at the ISP node? (re @RikMills: https://www.speedtest.net/result/9339378170.png)
 VPS, as I said!


[00:00] <bkerensa> nathwill: we need to road trip to Mexico and outsource our problem :P
[00:00] <nathwill> nafta baby
[00:00] <nathwill> knew it was good for somethign
[00:00] <nathwill> wow my fingers are retarded today
[00:00] <bkerensa> nathwill: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Memorex+-+CD/DVD+LabelMaker+Expert+Kit/6882153.p;jsessionid=CA3E38BE9CC2C51677B923BAC37B97D6.bbolsp-app01-21?id=1095432401805&skuId=6882153
[00:00] <orebuntu_> bkerensa's tiny URL is http://tinyurl.com/7b9zxwd
[00:01] <bkerensa> if we could find something like that but that uses Nix
[00:01] <bkerensa> that would be great
[00:01] <bkerensa> and cost effective
[00:01] <nathwill> well there's already great cd-cover graphic designing software on nix
[00:02] <nathwill> the trick is: a) burner w/ master and several replicators, and b) a press that doesn't suck
[00:02] <nathwill> a is wicked expensive
[00:07] <bkerensa> nathwill: what if we crowd funded it?
[00:07] <bkerensa> we have 100 members
[00:07] <nathwill> yeah...
[00:07] <bkerensa> if everyone chipped in it might make it easier idk
[00:08] <nathwill> hey folks, can you bring a couple cds
[00:08] <nathwill> i dunno what that would accomplish though
[00:08] <nathwill> it's mostly members who're interested in cds?
[00:08] <bkerensa> no I mean crowd fund a replication tower and label maker
[00:08] <nathwill> except for the events, like oscon
[00:08] <nathwill> oh
[00:08] <nathwill> well...
[00:08] <nathwill> when can we apply for membership again?
[00:08] <nathwill> i think that's a better fix
[00:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: thats a good question because reviewing their irc logs they said a few months during discussion but when they voted they said 6+
[00:09] <nathwill> hrm...
[00:09] <bkerensa> which is imho ridiculous because I think we were given a unfair shake
[00:09] <nathwill> this is how often they do loco membership reviews?
[00:09] <nathwill> circa 6 mo. cycle?
[00:09] <bkerensa> yeah
[00:09] <bkerensa> likely they want us to wait a entire cycle
[00:09] <bkerensa> or more
[00:13] <bkerensa> nathwill: as it is PSU alone seems like they could get 100 CD's out per cycle
[00:13] <nathwill> i think...
[00:14] <nathwill> i'm emailing myself the link to the approval criteria
[00:14] <nathwill> and i will go through it tonite
[00:14] <nathwill> because my initial impression is that we meet the revised criteria
[00:14] <bkerensa> nathwill: Yes
[00:14] <bkerensa> We meet the revised and honestly met the old criteria
[00:15] <nathwill> alright... lemme see what i can figure out tonite... i'll jam with you on it some once i get home and eat some dinner'
[00:15] <nathwill> deener
[00:19] <bkerensa> no doubt
[00:19] <bkerensa> thanks
[00:39] <bkerensa> slangasek: I was not aware Canonical waived shipping cost on CD's that is pretty nice
[00:40] <bkerensa> oh because they are pre-order only right now
[00:44] <slangasek> well, the pre-order status and the free shipping are unrelated
[00:44] <bkerensa> Hmm thats really cool indeed then
[00:44] <bkerensa> :D
[00:45] <bkerensa> Wish free shipping for all things :P
[00:46] <slangasek> so once you start adding in label printing, sleeves, wear'n'tear on the CD burner, I think you're going to be hard-pressed to beat that price
[00:48] <bkerensa> :)
[00:48] <bkerensa> slangasek: Yes but who's price is it to pay ;)
[00:48] <slangasek> hmm?
[00:48]  * bkerensa is not going to pay $200 :)
[00:49] <bkerensa> maybe I would contribute $50
[00:49] <bkerensa> :P
[00:49] <slangasek> that's fair, I wouldn't pay $200 either ;)
[00:49] <slangasek> I thought the community team was showering you with CDs anyway?
[00:50] <bkerensa> slangasek: well we only had the 11.10's and I got the rest of those out to PSU because they burned through them fast
[00:50] <slangasek> sure
[00:50] <bkerensa> slangasek: I could beg Jono or jcastro for a box of 12.04 but I am not sure its going to work :P
[00:50] <slangasek> it might, I don't know
[00:57] <nathwill> alright, shift's over. catch y'all later!
[01:01] <c_smith> heyo
[01:01]  * c_smith is here at the Ubuntu hour, JVLB isn't going to show up, car problems for him.
[01:09] <c_smith> hmmmmm, kinda dead here.
[01:18] <bkerensa> c_smith: its always dead here :)
[01:19] <bkerensa> The nature of developers and geeks :) busy at work
[01:19] <bkerensa> plus it is Friday evening so most people are out to dinner or drinks or with their family
[01:21] <c_smith> true.
[01:37] <c_smith> bkerensa, I have been told that I might be getting a few servers (the guy got a building that supposedly had them in there, and he doesn't need them) would a machine like that be suitable for making a CLI only Media Server?
[01:37] <c_smith> if a CLI only Media server exists, that is.
[01:47] <bkerensa> c_smith: You do not need GUI for a media server
[01:48] <c_smith> ??? I never said GUI.
[01:48] <bkerensa> c_smith: but at the same thing I hope you are prepared for the electric costs associated with running a server at home :)
[01:48] <c_smith> CLI, Command Line Interface.
[01:48] <bkerensa> and potentially blowing a breaker if you have to much amps on a circuit
[01:48] <c_smith> eh, My proctor parents aren't even happy leaving lights on in a room a person is returning to in less than 30 seconds.
[01:49] <bkerensa> c_smith: Correct you asked if a CLI only media server exists and I said you do not need GUI for a Media Server hence yes CLI is possible
[01:49] <bkerensa> Servers in general are not meant to have gui
[01:49] <c_smith> so I may end up just salvaging parts from said servers.
[01:49]  * c_smith wonders if certain parts of a server can be implanted into a Desktop PC
[01:49] <bkerensa> c_smith: I am not totally sure how much it would cost but I would bet about $25 a month extra just in electric
[01:50] <bkerensa> and during the summer whatever room its in would be very uncomfortable
[01:51] <bkerensa> c_smith: depends what kind of server? They do make servers in a tower form factor
[01:51] <bkerensa> in fact a tower form factor server probably wouldnt ding you too bad on electric
[01:51] <c_smith> eh, servers to me would be unusable due to very very finicky people when it comes to cost controlling the electricity.
[01:51] <bkerensa> but if your going to move a 1U into your bedroom expect lots of heat and a new found love on your power bill :)
[01:52] <c_smith> I don't control my power bill, so like I said, servers would end up being unusable.
[01:52] <sbeattie> and noise
[01:52] <c_smith> and the guy in charge wakes up really easily.
[01:53] <bkerensa> sbeattie: yeah :)
[01:53] <bkerensa> a nice constant hum
[01:53] <c_smith> all of the downsides you are mentioning point to the guy ending up shutting it off before the first week is over.
[01:53] <bkerensa> c_smith: What is the latest you can do a Ubuntu Hour at night?
[01:53] <bkerensa> When I get back from UDS I was thinking about driving down for a Salem Ubuntu Hour but there is no way I could be there by 6pm
[01:53] <sbeattie> bkerensa: as an ex-sysadmin, one of the most frightening sounds I've ever heard was our server room completely silent because of a power outage.
[01:54] <c_smith> The latest? probably 7AM and ending a 8PM, maybe later if I get it okayed.
[01:54] <bkerensa> the earliest I think I could be to Salem is 8pm firm
[01:54] <c_smith> Let me call someone to see if that is doable.
[01:54] <bkerensa> sbeattie: Yeah I have worked in dc's and was a sysadmin for my school district after high school
[01:54] <bkerensa> :D
[01:55] <c_smith> hopefully I get an answer.
[01:56] <c_smith> if they even pick up the phone. >.>
[01:56] <c_smith> aaaandd.... no answer, dod
[01:56] <c_smith> didn't even pick up the phone. >.<
[01:56] <c_smith> curse this enter key.
[02:01] <c_smith> bkerensa, I got an answer, not a 100% for sure one, but the answer I got was it is possible, but I will have a 100% certain answer tomorrow, do you want me to email you then?
[02:04] <c_smith> bkerensa, I'll have an answer tomorrow, do you want me to shoot you an email then?
[02:04] <bkerensa> yes
[02:04]  * bkerensa is gone for dinner
[02:04] <c_smith> kk,
[02:04] <c_smith> then I'm out, cya,.
[02:44] <nathwill> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing#A12.04_artwork
[15:38] <TRAVISg> where is the best place to get .iso file of newest 12.04
[15:39] <TRAVISg> was thinking of trying a new install an this machine again.
[15:39] <TRAVISg> right now it is playing havoc with dual monitors...pretty much unusable
[16:00] <sbeattie> TRAVISg: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ has the daily images
[16:00] <TRAVISg> thanks


[02:04] <chocolaterobot> hi all. i just bought a chuwi hi12 tablet. can it work with ubuntu?
[02:52] <chocolaterobot> hello?
[02:52] <chocolaterobot> anybody here?
[20:03] <mimecar> hi


[03:00] <frustrated> having issues getting cloud init to work with vmware.
[03:01] <frustrated> cloud init is setup but will not pickup the guestinfo.userdata
[19:20] <holmanb> frustrated: Sorry to hear that. I have a couple questions to start out the debugging: What is the output of `cloud-id`? I assume `cloud-init query userdata` in the VM is empty? Any WARN or ERROR logs in `/var/log/cloud-init.log`?
[19:21] <holmanb> frustrated: a link to the cloud-init.log would be helpful
[19:29]  * holmanb just realized frustrated has departed, oops
[19:31] <blackboxsw> It's good, when you sent the msg I thought, good enough if someone comes back in the future and has comparable problem


[01:02] <oo> quit
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:58] <ducasse> good morning
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> hey hey ducasse
[05:59] <ducasse> \o lotuspsychje
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> pretty silent in main
[06:02] <ducasse> i see that. it will pick up in a couple of hours...
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> 1.3 lol
[06:22] <ducasse> how long left?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> 14 days
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> looks like thats gonna b a winner
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> https://pureos.net/
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> gnome3 & wayland huh..
[06:25] <ducasse> hope so, i'd love to see them actually 'get born'
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah me too
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> how are you?
[06:31] <lordievader> Doing good here
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> https://puri.sm/posts/tag/pureos/page/2/
[06:32] <lordievader> How are you
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> interesting stuff
[06:32] <ducasse> morning lordievader
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> im fine lordievader new workweek here
[06:32] <ducasse> started new job yet?
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yep last week
[06:34] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: indeed
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> fantastic hours
[06:34] <lordievader> Time for coffee
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> enjoy lordievader
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> Say goodbye to proprietary BIOSes, say hello to coreboot
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:36] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: how do you like it so far?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> https://www.coreboot.org/
[06:36] <ducasse> yeah, if coreboot would actually be useful :)
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> very nice ducasse their friendly, less hours, more pvt time
[06:37] <ducasse> good cow-orkers?
[06:37] <lordievader> Thanks
[06:38] <lordievader> Nice strong coffee
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah ducasse were only with 4
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> small restaurant
[06:38]  * ducasse finds the biscuits
[06:38]  * lotuspsychje always drinks with milk & sugar
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> otherwise its like patatoes without salt
[06:39] <ducasse> can't drink coffee myself, stick to tea or coke for my caffeine
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> aha
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> speaking of..going to breakfast too
[06:40] <ducasse> enjoy, lotuspsychje
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> tnx :p
[06:40] <jink> 'sup, kids?
[06:41] <ducasse> \o
[06:49] <ducasse> lordievader: do you know of any lossless audio formats that are better than flac?
[06:49] <ducasse> 'better' as in 'more space-saving', for example
[07:01] <jink> http://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Lossless_comparison
[07:04] <ducasse> interesting - thanks.
[07:18] <lordievader> ducasse: I usually rip in flac. Haven't really looked at other formats.
[07:18] <lordievader> It is not like space is really an issue for me.
[07:22] <ducasse> it isn't for me either, really, i was mostly just wondering what was best supported etc.
[07:24] <ducasse> and now i have a fair idea, thanks to jink and that excellent pointer :)
[07:29] <jink> :P
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:50] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:03] <BluesKaj> hey pauljw
[14:07] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[14:08] <BluesKaj> I see the Cheifs are 5-0 :)
[14:09] <pauljw> really, that's awesome.  Greenbay fan here, good game yesterday.
[14:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, it was , i like GB as well
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Rodgers is a great QB
[14:10] <pauljw> My wife has a t-shirt that says "I have two favorite NFL teams, Greenbay and any team that beats Minnesota." or something like that...
[14:11] <BluesKaj> never cared fro the cowboys since landry was the coach
[14:11] <pauljw> :)
[14:13] <BluesKaj> think NE is beginning to show some cracks on both sides of the ball , time for Brady to retire after this season before he gets hurt badly
[14:14] <DArqueBishop> I'd be less annoyed about the Chiefs win if Watt hadn't been injured.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> I'm sorry I missed that game
[14:15] <pauljw> yeah, it always bothers me when they play too long.  quit while you can still do other things, like walk...
[14:15] <BluesKaj> hehe :-)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> think Brady's ego needs to be fed daily like a coal furnace...he has an unusual competitive streak in him
[14:18] <BluesKaj> more so than most
[14:20] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do for a few mns ...testing wayland
[14:43] <BluesKaj> running  wayland session on kde/plasma with the nouveau open source driver for nvidia, but the desktop is pretty shaky when trying to run some regular/normal features like virtual desktops and and adding widgets to the panel
[14:48] <pauljw> are you seeing improvement along the way in wayland, BluesKaj?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> pauljw, not yet, however wayland supposedly brings the gpu drivers closer to the bare metal than X11 so to speak
[14:54] <BluesKaj> it works quite well on ubuntu gnome 3 (not my fav DE ). I tried ubuntu gnome with wayland yesterday for a few hrs, very stable, but it's stil gnome
[14:55] <ducasse> wayland still lacks some quite essential things
[14:56] <BluesKaj> for sure
[14:58] <ducasse> pushing it to users is good in the way that it gets more testers, though
[14:58] <ducasse> but making it default? not sure that is such a good move.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> the wayland implementation in ubuntu/gnome 3 is far ahead of kde/plasma and nvidia, but it'll eventually catch up in time, but it's gonna take a while
[15:01] <BluesKaj> users with amd gpus have better wayland support than nvidia
[15:03] <BluesKaj> intel also has decent wayland support
[15:13] <ducasse> wayland has worked really well for me with intel gpu - no graphics issues, but there are plenty of other issues - i'm not switching to it full-time for a while yet.
[15:14] <EriC^^> evening everyone
[15:15] <ducasse> \o EriC^^
[15:16] <EriC^^> hey ducasse how are you? :)
[15:16] <ducasse> good, thanks - and you? :)
[15:17] <EriC^^> good, thanks :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^, ducasse
[15:20] <pauljw> hi EriC^^
[15:21] <ducasse> \o BluesKaj
[15:21] <BluesKaj> ducasse, I'm running a wayland session right now and it's quite bare bones :-)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> of course networking etc is fine but lots of desktop features are missing
[15:22] <pauljw> is wayland planned to be the default for 18.xx? or is it still unknown.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> pauljw, it's default on Ubuntu/gnome3 17.10 Artful afaik
[15:24] <pauljw> ah, okay.  i don't mess with anything other than the lts versions.  probably should setup a vm and play with it a bit.
[15:25] <EriC^^> hi pauljw BluesKaj :)
[15:25] <pauljw> :)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> there;s a live usb image that runs it exclusively https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=rebeccablackos
[15:54] <BluesKaj> wonder how well weston would works as a compositor on kde/plasma
[15:57] <ducasse> you would need to rewrite it to support all the kde stuff, the compositor contains what we think of as the wm.
[15:57] <ducasse> so if you switch the compositor you also switch the main bits of the desktop
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yeah kwin seems to work well enough until more devel is done to accomadate the missing features
[16:08] <ducasse> got to run, bbiab
[16:08] <pauljw> later...
[16:13] <oerheks> i really like the 'ubuntu got outdated software' dudes
[16:14] <oerheks> especially if they run 12.40 HAHAHAHAHA
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hi oerheks your joke went right over my head :-)
[16:16] <oerheks> sorry for that :-(
[16:17] <oerheks> why do people want rolling releases .. do they know what it asks from development/testers?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> don't be sorry
[16:23] <pauljw> no oerheks, they're clueless.  they just want the latest and greatest and they want it NOW!!
[16:24] <pauljw> then they want you to fix all the problems that go with it
[16:32] <BluesKaj> there's nothing advantageous about rolling releases IME
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:48] <pauljw> well, I've used one that was well done and it is nice to only need to keep regular updates and always be at the latest version.
[16:48] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[16:50] <pauljw> how have you been lotuspsychje?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> great here pauljw and you?
[16:51] <pauljw> good here, too. thanks
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[16:59] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[16:59] <EriC^^> what's up?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: just got home from work, chillin & eating on irc
[17:00] <EriC^^> cool
[17:01] <BluesKaj> oops wayland just crashed the desktop leaving me with konversation and a black background
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: artful?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> i cant get rid of the lag/animations/windows buttons gone bug on gnome/wayland
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[17:26] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: :) ! .. Did not expect you to still be on the channel; pleasant surprise .
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: new work, more pvt time yay
[17:53] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Come on Lotus ComPuters !
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:56] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Lotus Computers - at a hundred orders a week yet ?
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> nooo :p
[17:59] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Well - we got work to do then :)
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> have a nice1 guys tv time :p