[04:36] <holstein> cjwatson: i did get around to trying the install with the ubuntustudio live DVD.. just one hitch post-install that im sure someone knows about somewhere.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/922424
[04:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922424 in lightdm "lightdm won't start I have console(s) only" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[04:37] <holstein> anyways.. thanks again... sleeping..
[15:49] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5132 trunk/tests/ (test_misc.py test_osextras.py): Fix some test isolation bugs.
[16:32] <jibel> bug 922640
[16:32] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922640 in ubiquity "Precise Pangolin Installer crashed on Sony Vaio VGN-SR39VN" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922640
[16:32] <jibel> I haven't verified it yet, but it seems related to the change with resolvconf
[16:36] <cjwatson> stgraber: another one for you then :)
[16:36] <cjwatson> actually never mind, I can just fix that
[16:37] <stgraber> it's going to be loooong day ;)
[16:38]  * stgraber is getting pinged in at least 5 different channels for resolvconf related issues :)
[16:46] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5133 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py): Cope with /etc/resolv.conf being a symlink (LP: #922640).
[16:47] <ogra_> cjwatson, out of curiosity, why cant d-i produce a netinst initrd from a PPA build ?
[16:49] <ogra_> that doesnt involve any debian-cd stuff, just needs udebs available, or am i wrong here ?
[16:52] <cjwatson> ogra_: assuming that Launchpad will publish the custom upload to a PPA!
[16:52] <ogra_> well, indeed, that ssumes that both, d-i and kernel are in that PPA and the binaries end up in that very same PPA
[16:52] <cjwatson> missing my point
[16:53] <cjwatson> custom uploads are a very specialised upload type
[16:53] <cjwatson> afaik they have only ever been performed to the primary archive
[16:53] <cjwatson> they require lots of specialised code in Launchpad to handle them
[16:53] <cjwatson> this is the *output* from the d-i build
[16:53] <cjwatson> ogra_: looking through the Launchpad code, I can't actually find anything that prevents it right now, so it's possible I'm wrong; but you're well into untested territory, I think
[16:53] <ogra_> hmm, k
[16:54] <cjwatson> and in any case I don't like the idea of branching the d-i package, it's hard enough to maintain sanely as it is
[16:54] <ogra_> yeah, thoug *if* we have to branch, the out of archive solution seemed saner to me
[16:54] <ogra_> if LP gets in our way thats indeed bad
[16:54]  * GrueMaster never thought of d-i as sane in the firstplace.
[16:55] <cjwatson> :-P
[16:55]  * ogra_ thinks infinity was also in favour of thje PPA idea though i dont know if he knows the LP specifics you mention
[16:55] <cjwatson> I guess you can try it and see if it works.  You should try it before making any plans that assume it works.
[16:55] <ogra_> indeed, though its NCommander's project and he seems to want to go another route
[16:56] <ogra_> with a second d-i in universe or so
[16:58] <cjwatson> I wouldn't accept that into the archive if I were the archive admin on duty
[16:58] <cjwatson> he hasn't talked to me about it
[16:59] <cjwatson> I really don't think it's appropriate to fork d-i in universe.  It buys absolutely nothing, since LP would still publish the output to main.
[16:59] <cjwatson> If we're going to have it in the primary archive, we might as well just have the existing debian-installer package build it out of universe.
[16:59] <ogra_> right, if thats the case we wont gain a thing
[16:59] <cjwatson> It is the case; I have checked the code.
[16:59] <ogra_> k
[16:59] <cjwatson>         self.targetdir = os.path.join(
[16:59] <cjwatson>             archive_root, 'dists', distroseries, 'main',
[16:59] <cjwatson>             '%s-%s' % (build_type, self.arch))
[16:59] <ogra_> yep
[17:00] <cjwatson> And there's no overrides facility that could be used to change that.  You'd have to build an entire new edifice of stuff.
[17:00] <ogra_> yeah, understood
[17:00] <infinity> Yeah, the custom upload processor stuff was never designed, per se.
[17:00] <ogra_> sounds like there is no sane solution at all
[17:00] <infinity> Just kinda slapped in.
[17:02] <cjwatson> It was inserted with a drill.
[17:02] <infinity> ogra_: The "do it in a PPA" idea was predicated on the idea that the final build would be changed to make the by-hand tar.gz be a .deb someone could move around and publish elsewhere.  It was a thought I never bothered to finish because it was just us banging out ideas for interim solutions (where I still say the best solution for a kernel and d-i we don't want to support is just to build it locally)
[17:02] <ogra_> ah, ok
[17:03] <infinity> But we could also alter d-i to build against universe for specific targets, I suppose.  That could introduce other hilarity where, for instance, we currently demote udebs to universe when we don't want d-i to see them. :P
[17:05] <ogra_> oh, yeah, indeed ... fun ahead
[17:08] <ogra_> i wonder if we couldnt just push the kernel to main and demote it right after the last d-i upload
[17:09] <ogra_> (and likely mangle the d-i output for this kernel to not end in main at all)
[17:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: seems like d-i has a similar issue trying to copy /etc/resolv.conf (in 40netcfg based on the log I have here)
[17:10] <cjwatson> can I see the log?  /target/etc/ should be empty ...
[17:10] <cjwatson> not necessarily the case in ubiquity
[17:10] <cjwatson> ogra_: that's worse
[17:10] <cjwatson> better to have d-i be honest
[17:11] <cjwatson> ogra_: your plan would make it hard to do post-release uploads
[17:11] <ogra_> well, actual post release uploads of that kernel would likely be with a supported version
[17:11] <cjwatson> just please don't play silly archive games
[17:11] <ogra_> what michael tries here is to fill the gap until a supported kernel exists i think
[17:12] <ogra_> k
[17:12] <cjwatson> if d-i is using a kernel from universe, it should say so
[17:12] <ogra_> oh, i didnt mean to hide that fact indeed
[17:12] <ogra_> just to make the building easier
[17:14] <stgraber> cjwatson: oh, sounds like my bad then (and GrueMaster's). We both had mirror issues so at least I probably have a dirty /target, he might well have had that too
[17:16] <GrueMaster> wait, what was my bad???
[17:17] <ogra_> GrueMaster, everything !
[17:17] <cjwatson> stgraber: can I see the log anyway?
[17:17] <GrueMaster> I don't break things, I only find weak points in others work.
[17:20] <stgraber> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/819048/
[17:20] <stgraber> cjwatson: my DNS server being stupid made that download fail.
[17:22] <cjwatson> ah, right.  we should be robust anyway.
[17:23] <cjwatson> but that code looks wrong in resolvconf land
[17:23] <cjwatson> it'll cause all new systems to start out with /etc/resolv.conf as a file and resolvconf will ignore them
[17:23] <cjwatson> can you suggest a replacement?
[17:28] <stgraber> cjwatson: what was done in LXC and live-build is basically copy the content of /etc/resolv.conf from the outside to the target during install/build time, then at the end restore the symlink (moving it initially to .orig and moving back .orig to resolv.conf at the end)
[17:29] <cjwatson> d-i needs to preserve manually configured nameservers
[17:29] <cjwatson> in static network configuration
[17:31] <stgraber> right, these should be converted to dns-search and dns-nameservers entry in /etc/network/interfaces
[17:32] <cjwatson> is that new with resolvconf?
[17:33] <stgraber> it's implemented through an ifupdown hook shipped by resolvconf but I don't think it's particularly new
[17:33] <stgraber> so if we know we have resolvconf on the target, we should be setting these, otherwise we want to copy /etc/resolv.conf as we used to
[17:45] <bdmurray> the launchpad.net/wubi/ page has an external downloads link which points to sourceforge which has a very old version of wubi
[17:46] <bdmurray> would linking to evan's home directory on people be better?
[17:47] <cjwatson> yeah
[17:47] <cjwatson> stgraber: hah, netcfg already writes dns-* as well :-)
[17:48] <cjwatson> so we can just not copy resolv.conf if it's a symlink
[17:48] <cjwatson> er if resolvconf is installed
[17:48] <stgraber> cjwatson: sounds good
[17:50] <CIA-11> netcfg: cjwatson * r1283 ubuntu/ (base-installer.d/40netcfg debian/changelog):
[17:50] <CIA-11> netcfg: Don't copy /etc/resolv.conf to target if resolvconf is installed. (We
[17:50] <CIA-11> netcfg: already write resolvconf configuration to /etc/network/interfaces.)
[17:51] <CIA-11> netcfg: cjwatson * r1284 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.68ubuntu8
[17:52] <stgraber> cjwatson: thanks!
[17:52] <antarus> cjwatson: you test that dhcpv6 timeout patch I sent?
[17:53] <cjwatson> antarus: oh, no, sorry, have been swamped - I've made a note to do it next week
[17:56] <antarus> ok no worries
[17:56] <antarus> I think the deadline for P was in mid-feb?
[17:56] <antarus> so we are trying to get all our patches upstreamed before then
[17:57] <cjwatson> for bug fixes the deadline is still ages away
[17:57] <cjwatson> feature freeze is soonish
[17:58] <antarus> ipv6 is a feature! :)
[17:58] <antarus> but good to know ;)
[17:58] <cjwatson> the installer already supports ipv6, this is a bug fix :)
[18:05] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5134 trunk/gui/gtk/stepWebcam.ui: typo
[18:08] <bdmurray> cjwatson: as far as I can tell data/isolist.ini for wubi 245 doesn't seem to have release.ubuntu.com in it so is downloading precise images
[18:08] <bdmurray> I'm looking at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk/revision/247 and bug 922330
[18:08] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 922330 in wubi "Wubi.exe from 11.10 disc installs 12.04 snapshot." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/922330
[18:11] <bdmurray> this is easier to parse http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk/view/245/data/isolist.ini
[18:18] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5135 trunk/ (debian/changelog src/webcam/webcam.c ubiquity/gtkwidgets.py):
[18:18] <CIA-11> ubiquity: Scale down the webcam page a bit so that it works on netbook screens
[18:18] <CIA-11> ubiquity: (LP: #869239).
[18:19] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5136 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_gtkui.py): Improve test_pages_fit_on_a_netbook so that it tests all pages.
[18:24] <CIA-11> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5137 trunk/src/webcam/webcam.c: shrink webcam page slightly further so that the tests really pass
[18:24] <cjwatson> bdmurray: sorry, I already have four more things I need to do before I can finish for the week and it's 6:25pm on Friday :-(
[18:24] <cjwatson> anyway I see releases.ubuntu.com in the URL you give ...
[18:26] <bdmurray> In the first url?  That's what was being changed in rev 247 the 245 rev link shows it using cdimage
[18:26] <bdmurray> Anyway I've assigned it to the team
[18:29] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5138 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[18:29] <CIA-28> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: choose-mirror 2.39ubuntu2,
[18:29] <CIA-28> ubiquity: debian-installer-utils 1.88ubuntu2, flash-kernel 2.28ubuntu37,
[18:29] <CIA-28> ubiquity: partman-base 153ubuntu1.
[18:29] <cjwatson> oh, in diskimage=
[18:29] <cjwatson> not sure what we can do about that now.
[18:29] <cjwatson> 247 was the panic last-minute respin wasn't it
[18:31] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5139 trunk/tests/ (test_misc.py test_osextras.py): Make pyflakes pass again.
[18:47] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5140 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.11
[19:40] <cjwatson> argh, ubiquity was uploaded outside revision control
[20:32] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5141 trunk/debian/changelog: merge 2.9.11, released outside bzr
[20:56] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5142 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.12
[23:10] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5143 trunk/ (debian/changelog tests/test_osextras.py): Make test_osextras reliable across architectures (sort lists).
[23:18] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5144 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Automatic update of included source packages: netcfg 1.68ubuntu8.
[23:29] <CIA-28> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5145 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.13


[00:08] <tsimonq2> slangasek: What would be the ideal way to let the Release Team know that a flavor has converted to Git for seeds (for sake of ref, probably to put in the guide)? Should I start a wiki page or something, or is an email to ubuntu-release fine?
[00:09] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Or would a DEPRECATED file in the Bazaar branch be sufficient?
[00:13] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I would say that the bzr branches should be deleted once migrated
[00:15] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Sounds good. I'll put it in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Germinate/ConvertingToGit as well.
[00:19] <cjwatson> derive-distribution was indeed for ubuntu-rtm; I've kept it around since it might be handy at some point, but there's no pressing need to add git seed support to it
[00:19] <cjwatson> (also partly because it's kinda cool)
[00:20] <tsimonq2> Alright, sounds good.
[00:20] <tsimonq2> (Admittedly, it *does* look cool.)
[00:46] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Last MP for now, I promise ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-archive-tools/change-default-branch-when-branch-made-git/+merge/335863
[00:46] <wxl> omg famous last works
[00:46] <tsimonq2> XD
[00:46] <tsimonq2> wxl: Git support for seeds should be done already, that's just an enhancement of sorts ;)
[00:47] <tsimonq2> wxl: cdimage is updated, ubuntu-archive-tools is updated, metapackage is updated, everything *should* be in place.
[00:48] <tsimonq2> or
[00:48] <tsimonq2> grr
[00:50] <slangasek> of course it's the last one for now; later is later
[00:51] <tsimonq2> hahaha
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[03:38] <tsimonq2> handsome_feng: ^
[03:39] <handsome_feng> tsimonq2, Thanks!
[03:39] <tsimonq2> Anytime :)
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[22:03] <hggdh> sorry it is an i7 3630QM. And, digging in the download page for this processor, it does show more recent updates
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[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[09:01] <cjwatson> Noskcaj10: I synced felix-latin as you suggested the other day (though it could've waited until T, too)
[09:02] <Noskcaj10> cjwatson, thanks, and true


[19:01] <JHOSMAN> Hello!
[19:01] <MajB> Hello
[19:04] <JHOSMAN> Who will be chairing the meeting today?
[19:04] <MajB> I have no idea.  I am here for the Arizona LoCo
[19:08] <JHOSMAN> MajB I understand, The leaders of Ubuntu Colombia will be waiting.
[19:10] <MajB> Their normal meeting start time is 2000 UTC but their agenda page indicates a 1900 start time.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[19:10] <MajB> A bit confusing
[20:00] <MajB> Anyone here from the Ubuntu LoCo Council
[20:10] <JHOSMAN> :(
[20:10] <MajB> Not sure what is going on here
[20:11] <MajB> I talked to them last month
[20:12] <JHOSMAN> MajB What did they tell you?
[20:13] <MajB> To attend the meeting today with all of the documentation for re-verification
[20:14] <JHOSMAN> With what persons?
[20:16] <MajB> According to Launchpad there are no members on the LoCo council.  Interesting.  I need to talk to my team leader.
[20:17] <JHOSMAN> okay
[20:17] <MajB> We had the same problem back in 2015 and again in 2017.  Seems like the council cannot get their agenda together
[20:18] <JHOSMAN> MajB i understand
[20:19] <MajB> It would seem to me that they would attend their own scheduled meetings since there are so few verified LoCo Teams but I guess that I am wrong


[00:10] <ianorlyn> teward: I think the build got dropped because no one from QA team was testing it
[00:30]  * tsimonq2 volunteers as tribute
[00:32] <tsimonq2> Wait a couple months when I can afford a raspberry pi(on my list of things to do for a long time) and I will do it
[00:49] <CooloutAC> hey all,  ureadahead process floods the log with ignoring relative path messages
[00:49] <CooloutAC> should I just disable it?
[00:49] <CooloutAC> ubuntu 15.04 uses systemd right?
[00:49] <ianorlyn> CooloutAC: yes
[00:50] <CooloutAC> so wondering if I even need ureadahead?
[00:50] <ianorlyn> CooloutAC: if you have ssd probably not
[00:50] <ianorlyn> also which log
[00:50] <CooloutAC> I don't have ssd
[00:51] <CooloutAC> but whats up with all the ignoring relative path messages does tha tmean something not working right with ureadahead?
[00:51] <ianorlyn> ah then yes then you might need it and that is why you asked for loading
[00:51] <CooloutAC> doesn't seem to be working right
[00:51] <CooloutAC> anyway i disabled it,  don't even notice a diff in boot times
[00:52] <ianorlyn> the constant logging spamming might actaully hurt
[00:52] <CooloutAC> what do you mean?
[00:52] <CooloutAC> so you are saying that is just informational, not an error?
[00:53] <CooloutAC> i disabled ureadahead and can't tell if its taking longer to boot or not,  don't think any diff
[00:53] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: basially my whole syslog is ignored relative path
[00:53] <CooloutAC> was annoying, thought ureadhead had a problem,  disabled it I can't notice any diff
[00:54] <ianorlyn> CooloutAC: I am saying that writing to the log ureadhead failed might hurt io perfromance with a spinning disk to flush the cache and make io perfomrance worth
[00:54] <ianorlyn> this log spam might be a bug
[00:54] <ianorlyn> !bug
[00:54] <CooloutAC> oh you are saying the writing to the log might slow boot time...to be honest i can't tell any diff with ureadahead on or off
[00:55] <ianorlyn> CooloutAC: not boot time but while running
[00:55] <CooloutAC> i didn't think it was even needed anymore with system d
[00:55] <CooloutAC> what do you mean while running?
[00:55] <CooloutAC> i thought ureadahead was just for boot?  its for other things too?
[00:55] <CooloutAC> I thought thats what prefetch was for or w/e its called
[00:55] <CooloutAC> I'll ahve to do more research on it
[00:55] <ianorlyn> no I was saying logspam might hurt performance
[00:56] <CooloutAC> lol
[00:56] <CooloutAC> nah not noticeable,  plus ureadhead messages are only on boot
[00:56] <CooloutAC> i disabled it though,  i think its garbage program and not even needed with systemd
[00:59] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: this is my exact issue  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ureadahead/+bug/1429098/comments/17
[01:00] <CooloutAC> the post by dino99
[01:02] <CooloutAC> I will add my name to the list I guess and repost his message
[01:02] <ianorlyn> CooloutAC: IF you have a launchapd account you can mark as affecting you too
[01:02] <CooloutAC> ok
[01:02] <ianorlyn> don't repost the message that ends up spamming people
[01:02] <CooloutAC> what?
[01:03] <CooloutAC> I'll copy and paste it then I don't know what you mean
[01:03] <ianorlyn> copy and pasting messages in comments sends emial to bug squad
[01:03] <CooloutAC> well good then
[01:04] <CooloutAC> so what should I do  "hello,  my manme is cooloutac i have the same exact problem as dino99 in post #17"   is that better?
[01:04] <CooloutAC> lol
[01:04] <CooloutAC> I'll do that then
[01:06] <CooloutAC> ok I made my comment
[01:08] <CooloutAC> he wrote that on 4-20 hehe
[01:08] <CooloutAC> i send him a message on irc too
[01:09] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: i had to disable it on my trisquel system also
[01:09] <CooloutAC> ureadahead never works for me to be honest lol
[01:09] <CooloutAC> I'm starting to think its a myth
[01:10] <ianorlyn> ah I don't think trisquel mini on a vm
[01:15] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: don't think what?
[01:20] <ianorlyn> works on my hardware
[01:21] <ianorlyn> I don't think the wifi would work on my tablet and could not get it to boot on my hardware
[01:21] <ianorlyn> I may have just had a keyboard go down
[01:24] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: ya thats why I'm using lubuntu lol
[01:24] <CooloutAC> no free driver for my intel wirless pro card
[01:24] <ianorlyn> CooloutAC: I think that needs the firmware but is still freeer than the broadcom in mine
[01:32] <CooloutAC> I dont' think there is any free driver for intel wirless cards
[01:33] <CooloutAC> or so I was told, definitely didn't work on mine
[01:51] <CooloutAC> wireless cards just suck,  they don't live by the same rules
[01:51] <CooloutAC> i always say the digital realm needs the same laws as the physical realm,  but jesus,  wireless is even less restricted and wild
[01:52] <CooloutAC> in the wireless world they do w/e they want.
[02:05] <ianorlyn> yeah I think a pci ethernet adapter I got as a hand me down over ten years ago is more reliable that wifi still today
[02:06] <ianorlyn> works great with the old tulip module
[03:04] <CooloutAC> ianorlyn: nice
[08:05] <TheBootroo|work> on ubuntu 14.04 after recent PPA update, lxqt-panel won't start anymore
[08:05] <TheBootroo|work> saying "lxqt-panel: symbol lookup error: lxqt-panel: undefined symbol: _ZTIN4LxQt12ConfigDialogE"
[08:06] <TheBootroo|work> unfortunately, more recent packages are only for 15.0x
[08:06] <TheBootroo|work> any idea to get my panel back ?
[08:06] <TheBootroo|work> desktop without panel is kinda useless
[09:05] <lifelessi> i have got a problem to install steam on lubuntu 15.04 . is this the right place to ask for help?
[09:05] <leszek> yes
[09:10] <lifelessi> my terminal output is in german... is this a problem?
[09:10] <leszek> LC_ALL=C command and you should get an english output. Though I also understand german :)
[09:11] <leszek> lifelessi: but please use a paste service
[09:11] <leszek> like pastebin.com
[09:14] <lifelessi>  http://hastebin.com/ovujuzixen.vhdl
[09:16] <leszek> lifelessi: which lubuntu version ? Do you have ppas enabled for some backported stuff ?
[09:19] <lifelessi> 15.04 my output of apt-get is http://hastebin.com/bovehojoho
[09:20] <leszek> are the packages up 2 date ? Did you run apt-get upgrade already ?
[09:20] <leszek> Is this working ?
[09:21] <hateball> lifelessi: no need to use packages from valve, you can use distro repos for steam now
[09:21] <hateball> it only fetches a little launcher script anyhow, the steam client goes in ~/
[09:22] <hateball> the LC_ALL=C is useful to remember if you ever want to play games made with Unity
[09:22] <lifelessi> apt-get upgrade worked without problems... used the steam deb cause i was unable to find it in lubuntu store
[09:23] <hateball> you need to have multiverse enabled for it to show up
[09:24] <hateball> lifelessi: oh so you've manually installed the deb from valve? and the client doesnt start? or what is the issue
[09:25] <leszek> hateball: see the pastebin links
[09:25] <leszek> some packages seem to be installed that conflict with the ones in the repo
[09:26] <leszek> lifelessi: can you please execute: LC_ALL=C apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 -o "Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1" and paste its output on a pastebin
[09:27] <lifelessi> already tryed to dpkg --add-architecture i386 .... if i start steam it wants to install a libary it cant so after seam update it crash cause the libGL.so.1 is missing
[09:27] <lifelessi> mom
[09:27] <leszek> lifelessi: architecture i386 is added already as otherwise it would not show you that it tires to install those i386 packages. So thats ok
[09:28] <lifelessi> looks like it take some time XD
[09:29] <leszek> it produces a very detailed output and should show where the conflict is actually
[09:32] <lifelessi> to much to copy and an "> log" doesnt write the debug info in the file :/
[09:34] <leszek> lifelessi: either you raise the scrollback lines in lxterminals settings or you use "command" 2>&1 > log as I think it might use the error output and not the normal output so 2>&1 pipes the error output to the normal output so that > should get it aswell
[09:47] <lifelessi> LC_ALL=C apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 -o "Debug::pkgProblemResolver=1" 2>%1 > log       doesnt work :/ and i think my clipboard is to small XD
[09:49] <leszek> oO
[09:49] <leszek> not %1 but &1
[09:56] <lifelessi> got it with "2>"   http://hastebin.com/japohibale
[09:57] <leszek> lifelessi: irgendwie ist dein libudev kaputt
[09:58] <leszek> libudev1 is different in i386 and amd64 versions
[09:58] <lifelessi> ok....???
[09:58] <lifelessi> how can i repair it?
[09:58] <leszek> can you show me apt-cache policy libudev1:i386 and apt-cache policy libudev1:amd64
[10:00] <lifelessi> http://hastebin.com/meterawulo
[10:04] <leszek> lifelessi: there is the problem
[10:04] <leszek> downgrade the amd64 version with sudo apt-get install libudev1:amd64=219-7ubuntu3
[10:05] <leszek> and then try installing the libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 package again
[10:06] <lifelessi> get error http://hastebin.com/zowogugola
[10:07] <leszek> hmm... whats friendly-recovery ? Can you remove it
[10:10] <lifelessi> purged it but i think im near to kill my system http://hastebin.com/evipirusur
[10:11] <lifelessi> XD
[10:11] <leszek> yeah thats strange
[10:12] <leszek> somehow you have half mixed newer packages and half mixed older ones
[10:13] <lifelessi> sounds like i have to do a fresh install :,(
[10:14] <leszek> lifelessi: the question is how did it come so far
[10:14] <leszek> did you have any repos activated before and installed from them ?
[10:15] <lifelessi> jdownloader and dropbox
[10:16] <leszek> I think you might also had vivid-security activated which provides that newer libudev though it seems like the i386 was not installed from there
[10:16] <leszek> make sure to have vivid-security activated in synaptic
[10:17] <leszek> and refresh the package list and try again
[10:17] <leszek> installing the libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
[10:19] <lifelessi> my sources.list http://hastebin.com/cuyijomuke there is something with vivid-security
[10:28] <lifelessi> why doesnt it upgrade the libudev1:i386=219-7ubuntu3 to libudev1:i386=219-7ubuntu6 ???
[10:32] <leszek> I am not sure
[10:33] <lifelessi> libudev1:i386=219-7ubuntu6 is in main for 15.04.... and if i download the deb and install it?
[10:43] <leszek> lifelessi: yes you can do this
[10:51] <lifelessi> ok that worked^^ why ever he cant find libudev1:i386=219-7ubuntu6 over update... but now the lib i need for steam is installing XD
[10:51] <lifelessi> and if my pc survive the next reboot im happy...
[10:57] <leszek> :)
[12:09] <hateball> famous last words it would appear
[13:09] <Drunkwizard> Hello, Is there a way to hide menubar in leafpad?
[22:55] <rytomi> Hello, I am trying to install Lubuntu for the first time and need some help.
[22:57] <rytomi> I have used mostly Fedora up to this point, but this system only has a graphics driver for Lubuntu and I've heard great things.
[22:57] <rytomi> Problem is I don't know how to get the driver running prior to install, the Try and Install options both give a blank screen.
[22:57] <rytomi> Can anyone help?
[22:59] <vikingredwolf> sorry, are you able to install in graphical mode?
[23:00] <vikingredwolf> and what's your graphics card?
[23:04] <vikingredwolf> oh, ok :)
[23:07] <rytomi> Is anyone here?
[23:08] <teward> rytomi: yes we're here but you timed out
[23:08] <teward> [2015-09-14 18:59:56] <vikingredwolf> sorry, are you able to install in graphical mode?
[23:08] <teward> [2015-09-14 19:00:06] <vikingredwolf> and what's your graphics card?
[23:09] <rytomi> The system uses a Via VX900 chipset, Chrome9 graphics card. When it loads GUI I just get blank screen, but can still access other VTs
[23:09] <vikingredwolf> oh back! :D
[23:09] <rytomi> Via provides a GFX driver for Lubuntu 15.04
[23:10] <rytomi> But I guess I need to get it installed somehow first.
[23:10] <rytomi> Sorry, didn't realize I timed out.
[23:11] <vikingredwolf> there's an entry about that precisely: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2263938
[23:12] <rytomi> Thanks for the link, I'll read through that.
[23:12] <vikingredwolf> but not sure if helpful
[23:17] <CooloutAC> rytomi: did you do a disk check on the usb?
[23:20] <CooloutAC> rytomi: maybe this helps  https://journalxtra.com/linux/ubuntu-fixing-the-blank-screen-on-installation-bug/
[23:27] <rytomi> Did the check it has no issues.
[23:28] <rytomi> The thread doesn't really help me because I don't have it installed yet.
[23:29] <CooloutAC> its not for having it installed
[23:29] <CooloutAC> its with the live usb
[23:30] <CooloutAC> rytomi: https://journalxtra.com/linux/ubuntu-fixing-the-blank-screen-on-installation-bug/
[23:32] <rytomi> Thanks, reading that now.
[23:36] <cxd13> is there a way to get lubuntu if i only have a 512 mb flash drive and no CD rom?
[23:36] <cxd13> the iso is almost 700mb
[23:36] <vikingredwolf> the only choice is using a Ubuntu minimal installer and install then lubuntu-core
[23:46] <vikingredwolf> cxd13, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[23:46] <ianorlyn> vikingredwolf: I am pretty sure if you have a hard drive you could install lubuntu-desktop
[23:47] <Unit193> I'd install the task over the metapackage.
[23:47] <vikingredwolf> right, but I guess he should have one too. he said he hasn't a cd reader. me neither.
[23:48] <cxd13> vikingredwolf: cool thank you.
[23:49] <cxd13> ianorlyn: i'm doing this from windows
[23:49] <vikingredwolf> the alternate install won't help either, it's 690M sized
[23:50] <ianorlyn> ah I don't expirence making usb from windows
[23:50] <cxd13> i asked in windows and they said just open the iso, and drag all the contents to the usb stick
[23:50] <vikingredwolf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Windows
[23:51] <cxd13> thanks
[23:51] <vikingredwolf> you're welcome
[23:52] <CooloutAC> cxd13: in windows i use a program called rawrite32.exe
[23:52] <cxd13> so they let you install actual lubuntu from their iso and not just ubuntu + generic lxde
[23:52] <CooloutAC> cxd13: https://www.netbsd.org/~martin/rawrite32/
[23:53] <CooloutAC> use that to burn the iso
[23:53] <cxd13> CooloutAC: ok thanks will check it out


[03:29] <SonikkuAmerica> elky: Why are you still +o'ed in #u-o ?
[03:29] <SonikkuAmerica> Trouble?
[03:32] <elky> no idea
[03:32] <elky> my script normally deops me
[04:41] <dax> she likes scaring the denizens
[05:05] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[23:35] <bazhang> winsen is cross posting that all over the network
[23:57] <bazhang> why am I not surprised he turned out to be trouble
[23:58] <k1l_> yes
[23:58] <k1l_> because you dont have self-respect, i guess :)
[23:58] <bazhang> 'gonna kick yer ass!'
[23:58] <bazhang> hehe


[09:21] <rmg51> Morning
[09:21] <L3gacy> morning
[09:21] <L3gacy> How is it going?
[09:27] <rmg51> going ok
[09:36] <L3gacy> I have my web server up, again :D
[09:36] <L3gacy> Now if I could access the port forwards on the comcast box WITHOTU rebooting it...
[09:36] <L3gacy> http://www.fixthispc4.me
[09:38] <L3gacy> need to grab an HP DL360 G4 out of the shed
[09:38] <L3gacy> put pfSense on :O
[10:57] <JonathanD> L3gacy: seems a bit power hungry for just routing :)
[12:14] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[00:20] <zartoosh__> hi I have done someting bad that my system during boot hangs, I like to boot and run one service at a time, what is the boot option for that so I know where it hangs? thanks
[00:21] <riz0n> Hello guys, I am running 12.04 LTS on my Linux web server, and want to upgrade to 14.04 using the do-release-upgrade but it says that there are no new releases of Ubuntu available. Anyone know when this release will be available through online upgrade?
[00:21] <sarnold> riz0n: I thought that switch was flipped earlier today?
[00:21] <riz0n> Lemme check :)
[00:22] <kklimonda> it should be, my 12.04 server is definitely telling me about it
[00:22] <riz0n> Checked it at 9 this morning, no go, and now it's there :) WOO HOO :)
[00:25] <riz0n> Wow must be a lot of people getting Ubuntu today. can only get 50kB/s... anyways we will wait and get :)
[01:10] <Patrickdk> riz0n, heh, it's always fast for me, but then I have a local mirror
[02:22] <photon> Hi. Two hours ago I unmounted an ext4 partition. I tried to remount it half an hour ago, got an error (don't remember the exact wording, but IIRC something about bad descriptors was in it). dmesg showed "group descriptors corrupted" for that partition. I ran fsck on it. It fixed tens of thousands of "Group descriptor ... checksum is invalid." errors, tens of thousands of "Free blocks count wrong for group" errors, and just as many "Inode bitmap
[02:22] <photon>  differences" errors, followed by another bunch of "free inode count wrong" errors. After an hour of fixing, I got no more errors and remounted the partition. At first glance, it seems all my files are still there and intact. What could have caused this? Could it be that the HDD is failing? SMART shows no such indication and no errors. Should I buy a new HDD? Should I reformat? Or can I safely continue to use this partition? Thank you!
[02:54] <^Mike> I currently have 2 x 2TB and 2 x 1TB in a 4-bay enclosure. 1 x 2TB is in use, with LVM + LUKS (1PV, 1VG, 1LV, 100% allocated). I'd like to move towards raid5 or 6. Is it possible to upgrade this single disk to raid5? Is it possible to upgrade LVM from raid5 to 6? To do any of this, do I need to replace the 1TB drives with 2TB?
[02:56] <^Mike> Also, if you have a pointer to complete and up-to-date documentation on LVM, I'd love you to share it with me. I understand RAID is a late addition to LVM, and it doesn't appear in many of the guides I'm finding.
[03:02] <^Mike> "For RAID 5 and RAID 6, you must use md [and not lvm] to implement software RAID." - textbook I won't be buying
[03:10] <riz0n> OK So I have upgraded my server to new LTS. And now the PHP on my web servers fail to run. What do I need to change in my conf files (Apache, I imagine) to get php to run once again?
[03:32] <^Mike> riz0n: what does "fail to run" mean? What do your logs show?
[03:39] <riz0n> My logs show nothing. When the page loads, the php code is simply mixed in with the HTML code.
[03:41] <RoyK> riz0n: probably the php module not loaded
[03:42] <RoyK> riz0n: check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled
[05:49] <chriys> hey guys does someone knows how to setup rpm repository ?
[05:52] <Abhijit> chriys, there is something called as mrepo. check if it works in ubuntu
[05:53] <chriys> Abhijit: in Ubuntu there's Alien that install them but I can't manage to find where the package is install
[05:54] <chriys> and if I run apt-get install package-name it says it's already installed
[05:54] <Abhijit> chriys, you dont need to install rpm packages in order to create its repo?
[05:54] <jpds> chriys: Wait, you want to install tpms, or create a repo of them?
[05:54] <Abhijit> chriys, whats your actual aim? you want to host rpm repo or you want to install rpm in ubuntu?
[05:56] <chriys> I think I'm lost I used this command to install a repo alien -i http://installrepo.kaltura.org/releases/kaltura-release.noarch.rpm to set up a repo
[05:56] <chriys> but after that if I run apt-get install package-name it says that the package it's already installed
[05:56] <chriys> but I can't manage to find where the package is installed
[05:57] <jpds> Does alien install packages?
[05:57] <jpds> I thought it just converted them.
[06:00] <chriys> jpds: in any case I can't find where the package is
[07:58] <Sling> trying to make my first upstart job using start-stop-daemon, but all it does so far is hang, details http://paste2.org/y7I47APt
[07:58] <Sling> then when I ctrl-C, and start it again, it tells me the job is already started
[07:58] <Sling> while it really didn't start anything
[08:09] <tortib> Hi, is anyone awake?  I'm trying to hide processes from other users using the hidepid=2 option for /proc ; I have mounted proc with the following and it appears to be on but my users still can see all the procs...proc on /proc type proc (rw,hidepid=2)
[08:10] <memoryleak> Hi. I have a folder /shared which is a mount point of SAN storage. I would like to test write and read speeds, is there a recommended way to do that?
[08:18] <klep> anyone have experience with ubuntu provisioning nodes with MAAS? I run into this issue when I'm doing bulk provisions "network autoconfiguration failed your network is probably not using the DHCP protocol" ... this only happens when I do multiple nodes ...
[08:18] <klep> any ideas?
[08:54] <h1r3> hello... my server reboots randomly without apparent reason... i looked at the logs and the only thing i found that looked kind of suspicios was the following: "kernel: [   50.309356] init: plymouth-upstart-bridge main process ended, respawning". but still i don't even know if it is related...
[08:55] <Sling> looks like this channel is just questions and no answers =)
[08:56] <cfhowlett> Sling, feel free to contribute your knowledge by answering
[08:57] <Sling> cfhowlett: I actually entered with a question too ;)
[08:57] <Sling> but had to go afk
[09:02] <h1r3> i already checked if it's a panic issue, which is not... i am gonna check if it has to do wit the temperature... i am also thinking that it has to do with owncloud, since the reboots happen apparently when it is running... i would appreciate some advice...
[10:35] <hxm> how to give permissions to scripts to access apache logs?
[10:36] <hxm> is it a good idea to change the owner of those files?
[10:42] <peetaur2> hxm: use the principle of least privilege. Give it read only if it must have it, but not write unless it also must have that (and it very likely does not ever need write access)
[10:42] <peetaur2> owner can do all... rm, chmod, etc. so it is too much
[10:51] <RoyK> hxm: if the script runs as a user member of the adm group, it should work well
[11:21] <jamespage> jodh, around?
[11:23] <DenBeiren> i have two new disks in a  running system that i would like to put in raid1 and use as /backup
[11:24] <DenBeiren> i'm guessing i overlooked a step
[11:24] <DenBeiren> first i did a fdisk, then make2fs and then mdadm
[11:24] <DenBeiren> is this correct?
[11:25] <peetaur2> mkfs last
[11:25] <peetaur2> fdisk makes a partition. raid makes partitions into raid. mkfs makes a device (your raid) into a file system.
[11:26] <peetaur2> and keep in mind that the best backup is elsewhere, in case of fire, and also without granting access to delete the files in case the backed up system goes rogue
[11:27] <RoyK> DenBeiren: no reason to use partitions - just mdadm --create --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/md(something) /dev/sd(something) /dev/sd(something)
[11:28] <DenBeiren> i used assemble instead of create
[11:28] <RoyK> assemble is for assembling existing raids
[11:28] <DenBeiren>  sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=1 /dev/sda /dev/sdb
[11:28] <DenBeiren> mdadm: no raid-devices specified.
[11:29] <RoyK> mdadm --create --verbose --level=1 /dev/md0 /dev/sd[ab]
[11:29] <RoyK> btw, where's your root partition?
[11:29] <RoyK> that's usually on sda
[11:29] <RoyK> so don't do that yet
[11:29] <DenBeiren> on a hardware raid 5 part in the server
[11:29] <RoyK> what dev?
[11:30] <DenBeiren> sdc
[11:30] <RoyK> ok
[11:30] <RoyK> go on, then
[11:30] <DenBeiren> same error
[11:31] <DenBeiren> no raid devices specified
[11:31] <RoyK> ah
[11:31] <RoyK> sorry
[11:31] <RoyK> add --raid-devices=2
[11:31] <RoyK> (as I said initially)
[11:32] <DenBeiren> there we go :-)
[11:32] <pmatulis> morning
[11:32] <RoyK> DenBeiren: then, again, if I were you, I'd use LVM on top of that
[11:33] <DenBeiren> the R5 uses lvm
[11:33] <RoyK> DenBeiren: more flexible in case you need to change things later - just vgcreate yourvg /dev/md0
[11:33] <RoyK> good
[11:33] <RoyK> then lvcreate ...
[11:34] <RoyK> better allocate what you need for the first lv and then grow it later if you need more space - you never know when you want another filesystem for something
[11:34] <RoyK> or - if you want to extend the existing VG, well, it should be safe
[11:34] <DenBeiren> it's only used as internal backup
[11:35] <DenBeiren> so no need to shrink/grow later on
[11:35] <DenBeiren> the R5 has plenty of room,.. +/- 25 times what they need :-)
[11:37] <DenBeiren> so after creating,.. assembling?
[11:38] <RoyK> DenBeiren: no, after it's created, you just have to put lvm+filesystem or just a filesystem on it
[11:38] <DenBeiren> eeerrm,.. just caught my eye,..
[11:38] <DenBeiren> the raid 5 is called md0
[11:38] <DenBeiren> and i just created a second md0 ?
[11:39] <RoyK> pastebin /proc/mdstat
[11:39] <RoyK> hwraid doesn't have an mdX
[11:39] <RoyK> it just shows up in linux as a scsi device
[11:40] <DenBeiren> http://pastie.org/9465660
[11:42] <RoyK> DenBeiren: that looks like a 2x2TB mirror being synced
[11:43] <RoyK> DenBeiren: now, run
[11:43] <RoyK> mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[11:43] <RoyK> and
[11:43] <RoyK> update-initramfs -u
[11:44] <hadifarnoud> I remember there was a way of adding a new virtualhost with one command. You know what that was?
[11:45] <RoyK> apache virtualhost?
[11:45] <zartoosh__> hi I am using ubuntu 14.04. I am looking for a tool or mechanism to force kernel to re-read UUID information from storage devices? thx
[11:46] <DenBeiren> RoyK: http://pastie.org/9465748
[11:49] <RoyK> DenBeiren: sudo -i first
[11:49] <RoyK> DenBeiren: with that syntax, mdadm will be run as root, but the redirect will be run as the current user, so it won't work
[11:51] <hadifarnoud> is there any script for adding virtualhost
[11:51] <hadifarnoud> ?
[11:51] <RoyK> hadifarnoud: apache?
[11:51] <DenBeiren> now i get unknown keyword
[11:51] <hadifarnoud> yes RoyK
[11:51] <RoyK> hadifarnoud: a2ensite
[11:51] <hadifarnoud> I found a few. didn't work
[11:52] <RoyK> hadifarnoud: but you need to configure it first in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[11:52] <hadifarnoud> RoyK: that does everything for me?
[11:53] <RoyK> just read up on configuring apache - it's not that hard - take a look at /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[11:53] <RoyK> DenBeiren: sudo -i
[11:53] <RoyK> DenBeiren: then run mdadm ...
[11:53] <hadifarnoud> RoyK: I understand I need to copy that in same folder. like /domain.com
[11:54] <RoyK> hadifarnoud: cd /etc/apache2/sites-available/ ; cp default yoursite.com
[11:54] <RoyK> edit yoursite.com with your favourite editor
[11:54] <DenBeiren> http://pastie.org/9465853
[11:54] <RoyK> enable it with the command I gave you (which really just symlinks that file to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/, which you can do manually), and run apache2ctl graceful
[11:55] <hadifarnoud> ok thanks
[11:55] <RoyK> DenBeiren: huh?
[11:55] <RoyK> root@u1404:~# mdadm --detail --scan
[11:55] <RoyK> ARRAY /dev/md0 metadata=1.2 spares=1 name=u1404:0 UUID=86c59c02:20b550e5:e2a29b8c:73717304
[11:56] <DenBeiren> ARRAY /dev/md0 metadata=1.2 name=sax:0 UUID=7818e495:6b4d8a56:9336b751:4547158c
[11:58] <DenBeiren> can i run update-initramfs -u before the array is completely built?
[11:59] <RoyK> DenBeiren: add that line to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[11:59] <RoyK> DenBeiren: just edit the file
[12:00] <DenBeiren> and what does it do exactly?
[12:00] <RoyK> DenBeiren: update-initramfs -u isn't related to the array status - it just updates the initrd/initramfs so that mdadm.conf is copied into it and md0 is called md0 at restart
[12:00] <RoyK> without it, it'll probably be called md127 or something
[12:01] <RoyK> another good reason for using lvm - if mdX changes name, lvm will still find its way and filesystems will mount correctly - if mdX changes its name and you have /dev/md0 in your /etc/fstab, it won't mount it and probably hang waiting for input during bootup
[12:02] <DenBeiren> uhu
[12:02] <DenBeiren> so http://pastie.org/9465954 this looks ok to you? no md0 overwrites or something?
[12:03] <RoyK> I don't quite see why you should need partition tables on sd[ab], but then, it won't hurt - they'll probably be overwritten - but it looks good
[12:04] <RoyK> just vgcreate mybackupstorageorsomething /dev/md0
[12:04] <DenBeiren> ok
[12:04] <RoyK> then something like
[12:04] <DenBeiren> it's the first time i create raid array "not" using the livedisc installer
[12:04] <RoyK> lvcreate -l100%FREE -n mybackupstorageorsomething mybackupstorageorsomething
[12:06] <RoyK> the -n gives the name of the LV, the last argument is the VG name
[12:06] <RoyK> man lvcreate
[12:09] <RoyK> DenBeiren: there's always a first time ;)
[12:10] <DenBeiren> thanks for helping out in any case :-)
[12:10] <RoyK> :)
[12:11] <DenBeiren> resync 2TB takes ages :-)
[12:11] <RoyK> I know...
[12:14] <smoser> hallyn, "enabled" ?
[12:14] <smoser> in the kernel ?
[12:17] <DenBeiren> RoyK: any exp. with zentyal ?
[12:17] <RoyK> nope
[12:18] <DenBeiren> it's a gui to put over ubuntu server
[12:18] <DenBeiren> but i'm having problems with samba
[12:19] <DenBeiren> https://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,22904.0.html
[12:19] <RoyK> I know - buy why?
[12:19] <RoyK> learn the commandline!
[12:19] <RoyK> you'll end up doing that anyway
[12:19] <DenBeiren> it's the company that uses that server that wants it :s
[12:19] <DenBeiren> they want to add users and shares themselves
[12:20] <DenBeiren> and they don't know any commands nor have they heard of terminal :-)
[12:21] <RoyK> DenBeiren: try #zentyal
[12:21] <DenBeiren> channel is dead,.. :s
[12:21] <DenBeiren> been there for a couple of days,.. hardly anyone on there
[12:22] <RoyK> DenBeiren: sorry - no idea about zentyal
[12:23] <DenBeiren> ok,.. thx anyway ;-)
[12:24] <rbasak> rcj or utlemming: is there a Launchpad project to file bugs in the cloud images against?
[12:24] <rbasak> eg. bug 1354839
[12:25] <jodh> jamespage: hi
[12:25] <jamespage> hey jodh
[12:26] <jamespage> jodh, I think I know the answer - its not possible to provide a custom 'restart' script in an upstart configuration right?
[12:27] <jodh> jamespage: there is no built-in support for that, but you could always pass in a variable to modify the behaviour maybe if this is a manual restart?
[12:27] <jamespage> jodh, ok - that's what I thought
[12:27] <jamespage> jodh, and a variable was one way around that
[12:31] <rcj> rbasak, got the bug, we don't have a public project which is problematic for Vagrant images
[12:34] <rbasak> rcj: maybe create a Launchpad project to track cloud image bugs for all cloud images?
[12:35] <rbasak> rcj: for example I filed bug 1355343 yesterday, and in the first instance I wanted to file against cloud images generally.
[12:35] <rbasak> (though this one only affects cloud images - any fix would be solely in cloud-init I think)
[12:38] <rcj> rbasak, and in the case of that cloud-init bug that's not a problem with how we create the image, but an issue with that package.  So it's the right way to go.  But back to the project, I think we need something but it'll be hard for users to know when to file against it.  I'd like to work this out with utlemming.
[12:44] <rbasak> rcj: sure, spend some time working it out. I agree it would be hard for users to know, but bug triagers and other Ubuntu devs will be able to help. At least you'll have all the bugs in one place then.
[12:46] <theToastIsDone> how do i create an A record on a newly created Ubuntu server?
[12:47] <ikonia> theToastIsDone: you create it on the dns server
[12:47] <ikonia> not your ubuntu server
[12:47] <theToastIsDone> ok th
[12:47] <theToastIsDone> thx
[12:49] <theToastIsDone> ok, this is weird.. if my domain registrar has private nameservers registered (ns1 and ns2.mydomain.com), and mydomain.com is pointed to those 2 nameservers, where would I add the A record, at the registrar someplace?
[12:49] <ikonia> theToastIsDone: you talk to your registrar to either a.) update their dns servers for you b.) tell them to point your domain at dns servers you maintain
[12:49] <ikonia> if you're asking this question I suspect option 1 would be wise
[12:53] <elliotd123> I've upgraded to 14.04.1 from 12.04.4 and now I'm getting "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext2' on my /boot mount point. Any fix for this?
[12:55] <ikonia> elliotd123: what poit are you getting that error ?
[12:55] <ikonia> elliotd123: eg: after grub during the initial boot, or is grub erroring
[12:55] <elliotd123> it drops into a root shell, and if I try to mount -a I get it
[12:55] <ikonia> is it ext2 ?
[12:55] <elliotd123> after grub
[12:55] <ikonia> as in the file system
[12:56] <rbasak> jamespage: do we have an accepted way to flag bugs that probably need looking at by us later? Eg. bug 1355253. I'm wondering whether to just assign ~ubuntu-server or something, so I can find these myself later.
[12:56] <rbasak> But then again I don't want to imply that others shouldn't work on it.
[12:56] <elliotd123> I think it's ext2
[12:56] <rbasak> Or imply to the submitter that it will definitely get looked at.
[12:56] <ikonia> elliotd123: you "think" ?
[12:59] <elliotd123>  yeah how do I tell? It's our clients VM so I can't rule out that they changed something...ugh
[13:00] <ikonia> elliotd123: manually mount it
[13:00] <ikonia> did you not check any of this before upgrading a clients vm ???
[13:00] <elliotd123> they upgraded it
[13:00] <ikonia> elliotd123: you said "I've upgraded"
[13:00] <elliotd123> sorry
[13:01] <elliotd123> I figured it out. thanks.
[13:01] <ikonia> cool
[13:01] <elliotd123> looks like their upgrade never completed.
[13:04] <elliotd123> so: enabling the network and "apt-get update && apt-get -f install" looks like it worked.
[13:17] <zartoosh__> HI for uefi boot, I need to create startup.nsh and place fs1:\EFI\bootid\grubx64.efi   Does anyone know how to create it and place it where? thx
[13:39] <jamespage> rbasak, I'd target it either to a milestone for a release or raise a series task for utopic
[13:44] <theToastIsDone> is there a webmin channel?
[13:44] <theToastIsDone> does anyone know?
[13:45] <cfhowlett_> !webmin|theToastIsDone,
[13:45] <theToastIsDone> hmm... crap..
[13:45] <theToastIsDone> how do i uninstall it then??
[13:45] <cfhowlett_> theToastIsDone, sudo apt-get purge webmin
[13:46] <theToastIsDone> nice thx
[13:46] <cfhowlett_> theToastIsDone, that only works if you used apt to install
[13:46] <ikonia> how is it getting installed if it's not in the repo
[13:46] <cfhowlett_> ikonia, dpkg ?
[13:46] <cfhowlett_> source?
[13:46] <ikonia> I don't know....
[13:47] <theToastIsDone> you had to add the repo
[13:47] <theToastIsDone> which is something I'm fixing now
[13:49] <theToastIsDone> anyone know of a good webmin-like piece of software?
[13:49] <theToastIsDone> for ubuntu of course
[13:51] <ikonia> there really isn't a "good" one
[13:51] <ikonia> there are various bad ones
[13:51] <theToastIsDone> lol ok.. what's the best 'bad one' that is open source?
[13:52] <pmatulis> theToastIsDone: zentyal has a bunch of modules (apt-cache search zentyal-) but zentyal is mostly meant to be used as an install/ISO
[13:52] <pmatulis> (so i'm not sure about using them independently)
[13:53] <theToastIsDone> ok thx guys
[13:54] <cfhowlett_> theToastIsDone, might ask ##linux as well
[13:56] <DenBeiren> theToastIsDone: check zentyal
[13:59] <hallyn> smoser: yes, i fired up an ec2 instance, couldn't create a bridge, and got -enomem when i tried to modprobe bridge
[13:59] <theToastIsDone> zentyal looks nice
[14:02] <smoser> hallyn, more info? instance type ?
[14:02] <hallyn> ami-5ebf6a36
[14:03] <hallyn> and ami-a427efcc
[14:03] <hallyn> i used the default mt, presumably t1.micro
[14:04] <zartoosh__> HI for uefi boot, I need to create startup.nsh and place some boot order.   Does anyone know how to create it and place it where? thx
[14:05] <smoser> hallyn, t1.micro isn't default. probaly m1.small is. but that woudl depend on how you launched it.
[14:06] <smoser> but anyway.... it just doesn't seem likely. can you show me what you did?  the kernel is the same as we use everywhere else.
[14:06] <smoser> ie, the one on your laptop probably.
[14:11] <hallyn> I did ec2-run-instances -k sergeh-keypair ami-5ebf6a36
[14:11]  * hallyn does it again
[14:12] <hallyn> wht's your lp-id (and why is that not in the directory)
[14:12] <hallyn> i see, it's smoser
[14:57] <smoser> hallyn, i can verify that 'apt-get install lxc' didn't work on the alpha2 image for utopic that you posted.
[14:58] <hallyn> smoser: this time i can't even log into the image
[14:58] <hallyn> smoser: is my ami supposed to be a valid one (came from ubuntu-cloudimg-query)
[14:59] <smoser> http://paste.openstack.org/show/93906
[14:59] <smoser> your ocnsole output might show similar things
[14:59] <smoser> stack traces
[15:00] <theToastIsDone> here's a cron question... If I have a key setup in a get statement in cron, nobody can see that from the public side of things, correct? for example:  wget example.com/?some_key=1234
[15:02] <peetaur2> theToastIsDone: you can see that with ps -ef
[15:03] <smoser> hallyn, ^
[15:04] <smoser> theToastIsDone, you can prevent 'ps' from showing it just by putting the 'wget' into a file that is executable and only readable by the owner of the file.
[15:05] <smoser> oh. wait.
[15:05] <peetaur2> no you can't ....
[15:05] <smoser> no. never mind. the wget would still be reaable. :)
[15:05] <peetaur2> but you can store it in a file, then find some argument to wget that reads the file directly, without the content ever going on a command line
[15:08] <theToastIsDone> ok, i appreciate it everyone
[15:09] <hallyn> smoser: yeah, http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:10] <stetho> Hi. Does anyone know if there's something "special" you need to do with the DHCP option ntp-servers? My company doesn't allow NTP requests in or out and has its own NTP servers. My DHCP server has option ntp-servers pointing to the internal NTP servers but when I install Ubuntu it waits a long time at the "getting the time from an NTP server" message and, according to the logs, fails. After install is completed if I manually set the servers in
[15:10] <stetho>  ntp.conf everything works fine. So it would seem that the Ubuntu installer is ignoring the option ntp-servers setting or I'm missing another step that I need to take.
[15:13] <rbasak> kickinz1: FYI, I filed bug 1355890. If it gets approved, we'll have a little more time for bcache.
[15:13] <rbasak> kickinz1: no more action needed on the bug for now. The release team will look at it.
[15:14] <smoser> hallyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1355891
[15:14] <rbasak> stetho: which installer are you using?
[15:14] <rbasak> stetho: there is a specific d-i feature that should support DHCP supply of NTP servers.
[15:15] <smoser> hallyn, did you think you saw this on trusty ?
[15:16] <hallyn> smoser: I don't remember what happend on trusty, lemme restart that
[15:16] <smoser> hallyn, i'll check. i just launched one.
[15:16] <hallyn> smoser: my second start of htat utopic ami again ended up refusing to let me login
[15:17] <rbasak> stetho: IIRC, dannf wrote that support. I can't find it right now - perhaps dannf can remember where it was or what the bug was?
[15:17] <hallyn> I assume it's just a matter of when the kernel crashes
[15:17] <smoser> hallyn, yeah, clearly kernel not working could cause failure of ssh
[15:18] <stetho> rbasak: This is just using the ISO. This is more about "what does option ntp-servers" actually do rather than finding a way round it. I'm trying to understand if it's a setting for another OS or if there's a reason Ubuntu ignores it.
[15:19] <rbasak> stetho: I know that there is a DHCP option for which support was specifically added for your use case.
[15:19] <rbasak> I'm pretty sure it's ntp-servers.
[15:19] <rbasak> stetho: I can't find the specifics right now though, which would help actually fix the issue for you.
[15:21] <smoser> hallyn, i cannot reproduce on trusty
[15:21] <smoser> at least not in the sample set of 1
[15:21] <kickinz1> rbasak: thanks, Right now, I'm benchmarking bcache with writeback enabled. I'll keep you informed.
[15:22] <hallyn> smoser: ok, good to know it's not my setup tha tfailed me with the utopic one
[15:22] <hallyn> (i'd just had to switch my credentials around on my new laptop, wasn't quite sure)
[15:22] <stetho> rbasak: I don't seem to be able to find anything either which is why I asked in here :-)
[15:27] <mic_> anyone using nginx? I have a few short questions.
[15:29] <hallyn> jamespage: around?
[15:29] <jamespage> hallyn, yes
[15:30] <hallyn> jamespage: ipxe in utopic fails to build.  the reason is syslinux does not ship /usr/lib/syslinux/isolinux.bin.  That's easily fixed by adding the install line for that to debian/syslinux.install.  Right now it only ends up in the syslinux-udeb package.
[15:30] <hallyn> jamespage: so I intend to push that to utopic,
[15:30] <jamespage> hallyn, ok
[15:30] <hallyn> just pinging you first bc you may have an idea of why i'm being sily
[15:30] <hallyn> silly
[15:41] <jamespage> hallyn, just so I understand the context, when did this stop working?
[15:41] <jamespage> does ipxe fail in debian as well for the same reason?
[15:41] <hallyn> jamespage: it does, i tested it in jessie last night
[15:42] <hallyn> and tested that with that fix, ipxe did build
[15:44] <punkgeek> how to install java for run java script on apache?
[15:48] <jamespage> hallyn, and syslinux only ships that in the udeb now?
[15:48] <hallyn> right
[15:48] <hallyn> whereas in the version we have in trusty, it was in syslinux
[15:49] <hallyn> or maybe syslinux-common
[15:52] <jamespage> hallyn, the isolinux package has that file
[15:52] <jamespage> albeit in ./usr/lib/ISOLINUX/isolinux.bin
[15:52] <jamespage> but I think you can add that via debian/rules to ipxe build
[15:53] <hallyn> jamespage: what the...  I looked there before and saw others, but not isolinux.bin
[15:54] <jamespage> hallyn, we just need to transition and update the ipxe build process - I expect that will be accepted into ipxe with a suitable patch for debian
[15:54] <hallyn> jamespage: I'm sorry, I swear I looked there.
[15:55] <hallyn> so yeah that should be trivial to fix
[15:55] <jamespage> hallyn, hey - np - that's why we ask each other for peer review after all!
[15:55] <jamespage> (so we don't go make ourselves look stooopid somewhere else :-))
[15:56] <hallyn> so meanwhile lemme go look at ipxe upstream
[16:20] <jamespage> rbasak, did we ever get to the bottom of why mongodb is stuck inproposed?
[16:20] <jamespage>     * i386: mongodb, python-loofah does not hint at anything to me
[16:24] <rbasak> jamespage: oh, I didn't realise it was. I'll take a look in a minute.
[16:28] <jamespage> rbasak, I think it might be because I dropped the mongodb-dev package
[16:29] <rbasak> Oh, I remember now.
[16:29]  * rbasak updates his utopic-proposed apt cache
[16:31] <rbasak> jamespage: mongodb depends on mongodb-dev, but src:mongodb no longer produces it.
[16:31] <jamespage> rbasak, doh!
[16:31] <rbasak> jamespage: so that makes mongodb itself uninstallable. That's the first part of * i386: mongodb
[16:32] <rbasak> jamespage: python-loofah depends on mongodb, so also becomes uninstallable. I expect that'll fix itself as soon as mongodb itself is fixed.
[16:32] <jamespage> rbasak, lemme sort out my mess
[17:21] <klep> when using ubuntu 12.04 with the latest MAAS and I'm having and issue with DHCP leases being handed out after the nodes are provisioned ... they never get DHCP once they are supposed to have started
[17:21] <klep> any ideas on this one?
[17:34] <rbasak> klep: maybe try #maas if you don't get an answer here?
[18:05] <hallyn> jamespage: corrected ipxe pushed to utopic;  will open a bug with jessie after I'm sure the utopic version is ok
[18:15] <jamespage> rbasak, oh great - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mongodb/1:2.6.3-0ubuntu4
[19:23] <iclebyte2> is any one familar with dovecot? i'm having serious difficultly rebuilding a produciton server - i keep getting the error "SSL_read() failed: error:14094418:SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:tlsv1 alert unknown ca: SSL alert number 48,"
[19:23] <iclebyte2> and " Error: net_connect_unix(auth-worker) in directory /run/dovecot failed: Permission denied (euid=2000(vmail) egid=1002(vmail) missing +r perm: /run/dovecot/auth-worker, dir owned by 0:0 mode=0755)"
[19:24] <Sling> iclebyte2: what does nami -mo /run/dovecot/auth-worker show?
[19:24] <Sling> sorry, namei
[19:26] <iclebyte2> http://pastebin.com/HusqYszY
[19:28] <Sling> hm that socket should be nobody:nobody and 660 I think
[19:29] <Sling> try chown nobody:nobody /run/dovecot/auth-worker; chmod 660 /run/dovecot/auth-worker
[19:30] <Sling> or you seem to be running it as vmail, is this some shared hosting platform?
[19:31] <iclebyte2> yes it's hosting business. UK2.net messed up my server and i'm rebuilding it from scratch but ubuntu 14.04 is using dovecot 2.29 - my old box was 10.04 and i'm seriously struggling to get it going again
[19:31] <iclebyte2> lots of angry customers..
[20:47] <crashcourse> i'm getting 'mail transport unavailable' messages on my postfix server but with no other clues in the logs - postconf output is here: http://pastebin.com/P32BtEKj - any ideas where to start debugging this?
[20:55] <phunyguy> crashcourse: this channel is pretty inactive most of the time, especially with very specific issues like that.  Maybe #postfix would be able to help more...
[20:55] <crashcourse> cool, thanks
[20:56] <phunyguy> they are really good in that channel.
[20:59] <phunyguy> crashcourse: Also, that pastebin says you are on Debian... not Ubuntu
[21:05] <RoyK> phunyguy: not much difference...
[21:05] <phunyguy> RoyK: not the point.
[21:06] <phunyguy> RoyK: I wouldn't go into #debian asking about ubuntu questions.... just doesn't seem right the other direction either.
[21:36] <EL3PHANTEN> Hello Does anyone here know what I should do to log cookies. I have put this in my apache2.conf   ->  LogFormat "%{name}C" cookielog  and then  CustomLog /var/log/apache2/my-access.log cookielog... But All I get in the file is <IP_ADDRESS> - - [12/Aug/2014:23:13:50 +0200] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) (internal dummy connection)" "-"
[21:47] <justizin_> anyone know if there is an open bug for hash sum mismatch errors with 12.04.5 server iso? after fresh install apt-get update results in a slew of Hash Sum mismatch
[21:47] <sarnold> justizin_: which mirror?
[21:47] <sarnold> justizin_: are you using apt-cacher-ng by chance?
[22:21] <weaver> I'm tracking problems with the Ubuntu EC2 us-east-1 APT mirror, check sum mismatch, is anyone else seeing this?
[22:22] <weaver> *hash sum mismatch
[22:22] <sarnold> weaver: someone else reported some hash sum mismatches but didn't report the server :/
[22:23] <sarnold> weaver: are you using apt-cacher-ng by any chance?
[22:23] <weaver> no caching
[22:23] <weaver> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_universe_source_Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[22:25] <weaver> this error pops up regularly due to the S3 mirror update procedure not being transactional, but it typically resolves itself in minutes. We've been observing this for about an hour I think
[22:25] <sarnold> weaver: thanks, I've poked admins..
[22:27] <weaver> thanks sarnold
[23:41] <stevek> Hi all.  Ubuntu's PHP session cleanup script keeps trashing my servers despite having file-based sessions disabled
[23:41] <stevek> I've improved the session cleanup script to exit 0; if file-based sessions are not enabled
[23:41] <stevek> where can I submit this improvement?
[23:42] <sarnold> stevek: dpkg -S /path/to/cleanup/script  --- then ubuntu-bug <packagename> for whichever package owns the file
[23:42] <stevek> ah, cool, thanks