[05:49] <bluesabre> Hello Bug Squad! Please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1568604 (package xserver-xorg-video-intel) for xenial. We would like to begin the SRU process to get this bug taken care of. :-)
[12:02] <teward> bluesabre: nominated, pending someone with more power approving.
[12:53] <rbasak> bluesabre, teward: approved
[21:44] <bluesabre> teward, rbasak: much appreciated :)


[00:55] <xubuntu816> sup
[00:55] <xubuntu816> adsf
[01:20] <xubuntu77w> hey all
[01:20] <xubuntu77w> im running 16.04. where do i report a bug?
[01:20] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu77w: Launchpad~!
[01:20] <SonikkuAmerica> without the tilde
[01:21] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu77w: if you know the package name that you want to report against, run [ ubuntu-bug $PACKAGE ] in the terminal
[01:22] <xubuntu77w> SonikkuAmerica: thank you
[03:32] <Archbuntu> what are my *buntu boys up too :v
[08:29] <MSponge> Glorious Sunday weather today ... mornin' all !
[16:20] <xubuntu608> helo
[17:54] <sjoshi> Hello, my mouse pointer is moving towards bottom left of the screen sometimes, Xubuntu 15.10
[20:55] <pilsner> hey all - is there a logfile that I can see when I last logged in and out?
[20:57] <flocculant> pilsner: try last in a terminal
[20:59] <pilsner> last works, thanks
[22:06] <xubuntu68w> hi guys! I get so many times a "internal error" message when I turn on the computer
[22:06] <xubuntu68w> I think what could be related with xfce4
[22:07] <xubuntu68w> sometimes is when I resume from suspend status
[22:07] <xubuntu68w> but the PC works apparently perfect
[22:08] <xubuntu68w> where could I see the logs of that errors?
[23:23] <czeslaw> hey
[23:23] <czeslaw> Is there a solutions that cd drive would be always on dekstop?
[23:23] <czeslaw> not only when I put cd
[23:24] <czeslaw> i want an option to eject cd
[23:43] <genius3000> czeslaw: Not sure about that, but you could create a Launcher on the desktop to run 'eject -T cdrom', that'll toggle open or close.
[23:47] <czeslaw> nothing happens
[23:48] <czeslaw> okay in termianl
[23:48] <czeslaw> eject works :)
[23:49] <czeslaw> genius3000 I made Launcher with eject command, works perfectly - thanks!
[23:50] <genius3000> Awesome! :D  yw
[23:56] <ARandomScientist> I was using pwmconfig to try and set up fan speed options and now my fans are funning at full speed all the time. Is can someone help me fix this or is there nothing to worry about?


[02:54] <wrst> Omnifrog: how about the new arrival?
[03:19] <Omnifrog> she's doing great!
[03:19] <Omnifrog> I still haven't had a chance to see her irl though. grrr :(
[03:31] <wrst> hopefully soon
[03:35] <Omnifrog> yes, tomorrow!
[03:35] <Omnifrog> they are coming over
[03:35] <Omnifrog> also... tnight was my last radio show
[03:35] <Omnifrog> at least for a while
[03:36] <Omnifrog> I'm still on the staff but I left the air wav.... bits
[03:40] <wrst> ahh thats probably a good break to have
[03:40] <Omnifrog> yeah, I'm ready for that
[04:02] <Omnifrog> I'm tired
[17:00] <FredN> happy saturday all
[17:10] <wrst> indeed FredN
[18:46] <FredN> anybody use tor?


[08:52] <stub> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/launchpad/trivial/+merge/245822
[08:53] <stub> wgrant: I also notice we currently have requests 1.2, but latest is 2.5.1. Worth updating that too do you think?
[08:53] <wgrant> stub: If it doesn't break the test suite, why not.
[08:54] <stub> I won't know that until buildbot tells me. I've only run the swift tests.
[08:54] <wgrant> I don't think we use requests for anything else.
[08:54] <stub> I'll give it a shot, see if there is fallout
[08:58] <stub> We must be using it for something else, as I don't think the previous swiftclient version used it
[09:00] <stub> swift tests pass with updated requests, so pushing that.
[09:01] <stub> If this doesn't close the leak, then the next step is to override the default HTTPConnection class and give it a close() method
[09:03] <stub> Beyond that, I think we would need instrumentation on your test case. Track down which of the dozen layers is actually holding things open.
[09:05] <wgrant> Yeah, I was doing that but then production caught on fire.
[10:16] <cjwatson> wgrant: Yep, plugging through getting the plugin tests working but making good progress now.
[18:03] <cjwatson> Finally, got past the "I'm in a maze of Twisted and nothing works" stage with txpkgupload, so now just converting tests one by one to the new world order.
[23:16] <wgrant> cjwatson: Sounds like you're just about there. Good news, I expected learning Twisted server bits would take longer :)
[23:18] <cjwatson> The hard bits turned out to be sorting out the clients for the tests.
[23:19] <cjwatson> Not least because fixtures and Deferreds are not quite totally friends in all the necessary ways.
[23:23] <cjwatson> I think the biggest piece that's left is putting together a mock object to pretend to be the LP xmlrpc authserver thingy.
[23:24] <cjwatson> Hm, maybe I can get most of that from lazr.sshserver though.  Tomorrow ...
[23:34] <wgrant> That's a single XML-RPC method, though.
[23:34] <wgrant> There's another nearby codebase you can look at that has an example of a single-method Twisted XML-RPC server emulating Launchpad./
[23:38] <cjwatson> Sounds like a test.    Does it have to keep doing so?
[23:48] <wgrant> What's it been? 6.5 yaers?
[23:48] <cjwatson> Since I dropped that in openssh 1:6.5p1-1, so it's not in trusty.
[23:48] <wgrant> Yeah, probably worth killing.
[23:48] <cjwatson> About that, yes.
[23:49] <cjwatson> I'll stick it in asana
[23:54] <wgrant> blr, cjwatson: We should arrange a meeting time on Monday/Tuesday. I guess UK Monday evening, APAC Tuesday morning is probably best?
[23:54] <wgrant> Oh, Kit's not here.
[23:56] <cjwatson> Hm, I'd slightly planned to go out and see some humans on Monday evening
[23:57] <cjwatson> Depends on the time
[23:57] <cjwatson> (because I had to miss my pub night tonight because children)
[23:57] <wgrant> Oh, sure.
[23:57] <cjwatson> Is UK Tuesday evening / APAC Wednesday morning possible?
[23:58] <wgrant> That's fine with me.
[23:58] <cjwatson> I should check with Kirsten if it's going to be a routine thing, but I'm sure we can work something out
[23:59] <cjwatson> (and I guess it should be a routine thing)
[23:59] <wgrant> Right, I want to fix a meeting time early in the week.
[23:59] <wgrant> I'm very flexible.


[06:10] <j1mc> hi all... who all is here?
[06:11] <d1n0> meepmeep
[06:12] <j1mc> hi d1n0
[06:12] <d1n0> high
[06:12] <j1mc> hai
[06:14] <d1n0> sup
[06:15] <j1mc> not much... just going to ask where to file a bug.  a panel icon for 'help' in the new release points to the old 'xubuntu desktop guide,' which no longer exists.
[06:15] <j1mc> i don't think the bug belongs to 'xubuntu-docs'...
[06:15] <d1n0> ok dont know
[06:15] <j1mc> not sure where to file it
[06:15] <j1mc> i'll ask in ubuntu-bugs
[06:49] <d1n0> anyone know how i can get extended desktop with ati on a tv?
[07:00] <Chriswaterguy> hi - is there a way of moving windows without the mouse? Or a way of forcing the title bar to display? I have had trouble trying to change the size of windows, and ended up losing the title bar (the very top part of the window). Now I can "unmaximize" but this is useless as it's still taking up the whole screen and for some reason the mouse won't grab the edges of the window.
[07:07] <mike> how do enable opengl screen savers in 7.04
[07:10] <mike> what is the apt-get install command or are they installed in fiesty by default
[07:50] <allen> I lost my top and bottom tool bars.  How can I get them back?
[07:51] <The-Kernel> allen alt + F2
[07:51] <The-Kernel> type in xfce4-panel
[07:51] <The-Kernel> hit enter
[07:52] <allen> Thanks alot!
[07:52] <The-Kernel> allen did it work?
[07:52] <allen> yes, thank you.
[07:52] <The-Kernel> allen is it a new install?
[07:53] <allen> I installed it a couple of weeks ago.
[07:54] <The-Kernel> oh
[07:55] <The-Kernel> and this is the first time it happened? What release do you have?
[07:56] <allen> yea, it just happened yesterday for the first time.  I think I have feisty, but not sure how to checkk.
[07:58] <The-Kernel> allen "cat /proc/version"
[08:01] <allen> ubuntu4.1.2
[09:25] <graelb> Hi there
[09:25] <graelb> Anyone alive tonight?
[09:26] <graelb> =P
[09:26] <zeroflag> just finished breakfast. :P
[09:26] <graelb> I'm having issues with vnc-ing to a windows computer
[09:27] <zeroflag> and I probably won't be able to help you, because my first xu installation died of a grub screwup and my second xu died somewhere between aptitude and starting xfce...
[09:27] <graelb> i keep getting a ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::EndOfStream
[09:27] <graelb> lol
[09:27] <graelb> damn
[09:27] <zeroflag> what client do you use?
[09:27] <graelb> vncviewer atm
[09:28] <graelb> realvnc is the server
[09:28] <zeroflag> hmm, did you try connecting from another PC?
[09:28] <zeroflag> maybe local loopback on the windows machine?
[09:29] <graelb> maybe! i didn't try that
[09:29] <graelb> i don't have the client installed on that machine, i was just using it to be lazy from my bed
[09:29] <graelb> lol
[09:29] <zeroflag> join the club...
[09:29] <graelb> hehe
[09:29] <zeroflag> worked nicely until I activated aero on the target...
[09:30] <graelb> yeah... it turns aero off by default
[09:30] <zeroflag> which rendered tightvnc unable to filter out media applications, which caused vnc to go haywire, which caused my (rather powerful) machine to act like a 486 on half clock speed...
[09:30] <graelb> sweet!
[09:30] <graelb> good stuff there.
[09:30] <zeroflag> mh?
[09:31] <graelb> no, not really
[09:31] <graelb>  /sarcasm
[09:31] <zeroflag> btw, I prefer tightvnc on windows. you might wanna check on it if realvnc doesn't work.
[09:31] <graelb> rdp works correctly to the windows machine, but that's not quite remote control the way i want it
[09:31] <graelb> tightvnc eh?
[09:33] <graelb> hey, by the way, what's all involved with creating a .deb file once you've compiled from source?
[09:34] <graelb> do you know by any chance?
[09:34] <zeroflag> I only use windows->ubuntu (couldn't get xu to work yet) and windows->windows...
[09:34] <zeroflag> I have no idea but I guess you could ask on #ubuntu
[09:34] <zeroflag> the people there are quite a bit more (hyper)active than around here...
[09:34] <graelb> yeah, point made
[09:35] <graelb> So, you jsut had breakfast... which puts you somewhere in europe or australia?
[09:35] <zeroflag> europe, yeah.
[09:35] <zeroflag> I'm still sipping on my coffee although I should be out getting my car fixed...
[09:36] <zeroflag> got a 8mm screw stuck in my tire...
[09:36] <graelb> ew... yeah, i'm trying to put a new top on my jeep, and i can't get a damn torx bolt loose
[09:36] <graelb> four actually
[09:36] <graelb> none of them come out
[09:36] <zeroflag> wish I had your problems.
[09:36] <zeroflag> all issues in my car are either software related or broken...  We've got plenty of corners and curves
[09:44] <zeroflag> really?
[09:45] <graelb> It's those damn californians that don't know how to take corners
[09:45] <graelb> chya really
[09:45] <zeroflag> then that's the only part of US I'd not refuse to move to...
[09:45] <zeroflag> and curves.
[09:45] <graelb> Granted, we don't have everything packed into like.... ten square feet, but still
[09:45] <zeroflag> outside the context of roads as well...
[09:45] <zeroflag> ok, I still refuse to move there!
[09:46] <zeroflag> until you americans learn a proper measuring system. :P
[09:46] <graelb> What!? it's called Imperial for a reason
[09:46] <graelb> it's just so much better
[09:46] <graelb>  once again </sarcasm>
[09:47] <zeroflag> every fibre in my body just refuses to work when I hear "feet".
[09:47] <zeroflag> it's just that no-go condition for my brain...
[09:47] <zeroflag> :P
[09:48] <graelb> lol
[09:48] <graelb> don't you guys spell color as colour too?
[09:48] <graelb> and favorite as favourite?
[09:48] <zeroflag> mmmh, nope.
[09:48] <zeroflag> at least I don't.
[09:48] <graelb> well... some of you do
[09:48] <graelb> lol
[09:48] <graelb> where are you in europe?
[09:48] <zeroflag> I prefer AE in most cases because I'm a lazy bastard.
[09:48] <zeroflag> and I prefer z over s...
[09:48] <zeroflag> germany.
[09:49] <graelb> Are you from germany?
[09:49] <zeroflag> yep.
[09:49] <graelb> Your english is ridiculously good for not being a first language
[09:49] <zeroflag> thank you. :)
[09:50] <graelb> Mein deutsch schlecht, aber ich habe <never> sprechen
[09:50] <zeroflag> I often get the "better than the average american" comment, but I think that could be considered an insult. ;)
[09:50] <graelb> lol
[09:50] <zeroflag> nun, mein deutsch ist auch nicht besonders gut. ;)
[09:50] <graelb> Was beduetet "besonders" im Englisch?
[09:51] <zeroflag> "especially" or "very"
[09:51] <zeroflag> varries on the context.
[09:51] <zeroflag> in this case it's "very".
[09:51] <graelb> I had three years of german, and my vocab blows
[09:51] <graelb> my german isn't very good.... right?
[09:51] <graelb> hehe
[09:51] <zeroflag> well, I had 6 years of (school) english and I couldn't form a damn sentence...
[09:52] <graelb> seriously?
[09:52] <graelb> is it that hard to learn as a second?
[09:52] <zeroflag> I only started getting better after being tossed into the world of IRC and internet. ;)
[09:52] <graelb> hehe
[09:52] <zeroflag> it's not hard to learn a language...
[09:52] <zeroflag> it's just hard to learn a language in school...
[09:52] <graelb> oh. ok, i see where you're going with that
[09:53] <zeroflag> I had to start over again after the first 2 years because I changed schools, and I had to always wait for the slower guys in the classes... so...
[09:53] <graelb> wonderful
[09:53] <graelb> Yeah, that sucks. i remember those guys
[09:53] <zeroflag> yep. :>
[09:54] <zeroflag> well, I gotta go fix my car.
[09:54] <zeroflag> see you around. ;)
[09:54] <graelb> hey,
[09:54] <graelb> can i get your aim or msn contact?
[09:54] <zeroflag> I got ICQ...
[09:54] <zeroflag> which should be the same as AIM...
[09:54] <graelb> hehe i haven't used icq in years, but my account is still up
[09:54] <graelb> hehe
[09:54] <graelb> what's your number?
[09:55] <zeroflag> did you get that?
[09:55] <graelb> huh h
[09:55] <graelb> nope
[09:55] <zeroflag> that?
[09:55] <graelb> got it
[09:55] <zeroflag> I don't want my ICQ number to be public domain. ;)
[09:56] <zeroflag> well, gotta go. bye.
[09:56] <graelb> I can't say i blame you for that one
[09:56] <graelb> have a good time, good luck
[10:26] <justin__> hello
[10:27] <justin__> asad
[10:31] <nikolam> Hi
[10:34] <nikolam> I am just sick and tired of killing gam_server and Thunar that uses all CPU. and when mouse start moving badly because of big cpu usage.. I thought I left those problems on Win XP..
[10:38] <nikolam> Here si content of my /etc/gamin/gaminrc  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39747/
[10:38] <nikolam> Maybe settig poll value to 3 bilions would stop it?..
[11:41] <DaBeowulf> Hey, does choosing VESA and 24 bit result in my monitor getting no signal, or how do I properly choose VESA to actually work for Xorg?
[11:41] <DaBeowulf> *X
[12:05] <hyper_ch> !envy
[12:05] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[12:10] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[12:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:12] <hyper_ch> bug 1
[12:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:02] <justinhuang> help
[01:02] <justinhuang> ?
[01:03] <TheSheep> !ask | justinhuang
[01:03] <ubotu> justinhuang: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:03] <justinhuang> sorry
[01:03] <justinhuang> no question
[01:03] <justinhuang> thanks
[01:03] <TheSheep> :)
[01:03] <hyper_ch> hiho TheSheep
[01:04] <TheSheep> greetings earthling hyper_ch
[01:04] <hyper_ch> ;)
[01:04] <hyper_ch> Swiss Chocolate ;)
[01:04] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: from violet cows?
[01:04] <hyper_ch> no, that's German (Milka)
[01:04] <TheSheep> eeek
[01:05] <hyper_ch> our cows are black and whit and brown
[01:05] <TheSheep> and red
[01:05] <TheSheep> especially inside
[01:05] <hyper_ch> lol
[01:06] <TheSheep> nah, food is obsolete
[01:06] <Pumpernickel> Bacon does not become obsolete.
[01:07] <Pumpernickel> Ever.
[01:08] <TheSheep> make love not food!
[01:10] <hyper_ch> food= love
[01:11] <justinhuang> good answer
[03:16] <LM1> anyone here familiar with the shred command??
[03:18] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[03:18] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[03:24] <LM1> k well I am trying to get shred to shred files inside folders and subfolders using nautilus actions but %M doesn't seem to do jack
[03:26] <Pumpernickel> You should ask in #ubuntu, nautilus being a Gnome component not shipped with Xubuntu.
[03:45] <salox> hi
[03:46] <salox> for an Duron 900 Mhz wich is the right kernel i686 or k7 ?
[03:47] <LM1> Pumpernickel, yeah I know but usually I only get help here because everyone in #ubuntu is too busy to answer any questions
[03:47] <salox> which
[03:47] <TheSheep> salox: both will work
[03:47] <TheSheep> salox: I think that both are aliases to -generic anyways
[03:48] <TheSheep> salox: most of the advanced functions are detected on startup nowadays
[03:48] <salox> i installed i686 typing this "sudo apt-get install linux-686"
[03:48] <salox> seems to work
[03:49] <salox> ok
[03:49] <salox> i try now for k7
[03:52] <salox> xubuntu moves faster with i686 kernel om my machine
[03:52] <salox> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:53] <salox> i restart now
[04:07] <Cleric> can someone help me burn an iso using xfburn? when i try to use the 'burn CD image' function it doesnt work?
[04:08] <TheSheep> Cleric: try using graveman instead, or burn from the commandline with wodim
[04:09] <TheSheep> Cleric: xfburn had a lot of issues, it's dropped in gutsy
[04:09] <Cleric> TheSheep: ah ok............but very new to linux at all so i need you to guide me throught it please?
[04:09] <TheSheep> Cleric: sure, open the directory where you have the iso file
[04:09] <TheSheep> Cleric: right-click on empty space in that window and select 'open terminal here'
[04:10] <TheSheep> Cleric: now type wodim, the firs few letters of the iso file you want to burn, and hit tabulator key
[04:19] <Cleric> ok just 1 moment
[05:43] <MatBoy> Is there a way to solve the memory card disconnect problem ? I see bugs in the buglists, but no fix for now
[06:22] <user1> how do i make taskbars autohide on only one workspace?
[06:31] <TheSheep> user1: you don't
[06:32] <user1> ugh
[06:32] <user1> xubuntu fails me then
[06:33] <TheSheep> user1: that's horrible
[07:26] <PlayMeNow> hello
[07:26] <PlayMeNow> can anyone help me with keyboard related stuff?
[07:26] <TheSheep> !ask
[07:26] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:26] <PlayMeNow> I was hoping for the that bot :)
[07:27] <PlayMeNow> anyway, on ubuntu, I can use the volume keys on my keyboard to change the master volume
[07:27] <PlayMeNow> but on xubuntu it doesn't work out of the box, what should I do?
[07:28] <TheSheep> PlayMeNow: can you bind commands to them in settings->keyboard settings?
[07:28] <PlayMeNow> let's try
[07:30] <PlayMeNow> yep
[07:30] <PlayMeNow> what are the commands for vol-up and vol-down?
[07:30] <TheSheep> PlayMeNow: lets see
[07:31] <TheSheep> PlayMeNow: amixer with various options
[07:32] <ActySofts> found it on the forums
[07:36] <ActySofts> zorg?
[07:36] <ActySofts> oops wrong window
[07:36] <ActySofts> Thanks for the help
[07:36] <TheSheep> amixer -- sset Master playback -10dB
[07:37] <TheSheep> something like this works for me
[08:19] <MatBoy> I need a fix form my unexpected stroage disconnect using sdcards :(
[08:33] <nikolam> Hello
[08:33] <nikolam> Does anyone use UDF file system
[08:34] <nikolam> On CD-RW, DVD+-RW and DVD-RAM?
[08:34] <nikolam> I am trying to make udf disks in Xubuntu 7.04 64 bit and use them on other systems and and also to use udf`s from other systems.
[08:35] <nikolam> i tryed to use only 2.0x version of UDF but with no luck with use of Linux formated UDFs, even on the same Linux installarion as normal read-write file systems
[08:35] <nikolam> !udf
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:47] <MatBoy> !hal
[08:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:52] <Rampi^^> sup
[08:52] <Rampi^^> i got kernel probs when i press start och install with cd can someone help
[08:53] <Rampi^^> first time i use xubuntu
[08:53] <Rampi^^> someone that can help
[08:54] <nikolam> Rampi^^: What start?
[08:55] <nikolam> You are installing after boot of Xubuntu CD?
[08:55] <Rampi^^> start with cd
[08:55] <Rampi^^> no
[08:55] <Rampi^^> i cant even boot
[08:55] <nikolam> Ahh, you need to make shure you set it up in BIOS settings that machine can boot from CD drive
[08:55] <Rampi^^> it boots
[08:56] <Rampi^^> but
[08:56] <Rampi^^> i cant
[08:56] <nikolam> It is the same like installing any other OS
[08:56] <Rampi^^> start with cd
[08:56] <vinze> Try typing your whole sentence on one line ;-)
[08:56] <Rampi^^> hehe
[08:56] <nikolam> Did you download Alternate CD to install system on HD or Live CD of Xubuntu?
[08:57] <Rampi^^> it comes a text den i must reboot the computer
[08:57] <Rampi^^> then
[08:57] <Rampi^^> *
[08:57] <nikolam> You should partition your drive space and make some room for xubuntu to be able to install
[08:57] <vinze> Rampi^^, do you mean you can't boot from CD?
[08:57] <Rampi^^> yes
[08:57] <nikolam> Linux needs separate partition(s) on your HDD to be able to install
[08:58] <vinze> Rampi^^, and have you set it in the BIOS or something?
[08:58] <nikolam> Rampi: Look at your motherboard manual how to enter and set BIOS settings and then watch if ti ask you something during boot, to press to boot from CD. Also check CD for defects.
[08:59] <Rampi^^> you now when you put the cd then it comes some option... i pres start or install with cd .. for me when i press that i get a long long text
[08:59] <Rampi^^> it is not the cd
[08:59] <vinze> OK, so you do get the menu of the CD...
[08:59] <Rampi^^> yes
[08:59] <vinze> And have you waited for that text to disappear and the LiveCD environment to appear?
[08:59] <nikolam> Well, select installation in menu and go to the next step
[09:00] <vinze> nikolam, he hasn't even seen his desktop
[09:00] <nikolam> I dont see desktop eather, I use alternate CD :)
[09:00] <Rampi^^> vinze has it
[09:01] <Rampi^^> http://www.fuskbugg.se/pub/misc/Ubuntu.JPG look
[09:01] <Rampi^^> you see
[09:02] <nikolam> Rampi^^: what hardware do you use?
[09:02] <Rampi^^> how do i know
[09:02] <Rampi^^> ?
[09:02] <Rampi^^> xD
[09:02] <vinze> Rampi^^, hmm... Yeah, that doesn't look perfectly well (but what would you expect if the splash screen doesn't appear :/) but perhaps it was still booting.
[09:03] <nikolam> Rampi^^: How you dont know what type of machine you use?
[09:03] <Rampi^^> celeron
[09:03] <Rampi^^> laptop
[09:03] <nikolam> Rampi^^: What model/name processor, chipset graphics ETC
[09:04] <Rampi^^> (CPU) 1-Intel Celeron M processor 1500MHz, 1496MHz, 0KB (0% Load) .:. (RAM) usage: 166/191MB (86.91%) .:. (GFX) VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP, (Display) 1024x768/32bit/60Hz
[09:04] <Rampi^^> (OS) Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), (installed for) 31w 4d 21h 17m, (uptime) 9h 46m 5s .:. (HDDs) 11.8GB/37.2GB(31.8%) free
[09:04] <nikolam> If it is from 2007 and it is Santa Rosa laptop, there could be some problems with default Ubuntu kernel i 7.04
[09:04] <nikolam> however, 7.10 that will be released in about 10 days from now will boot OK.
[09:05] <Rampi^^> ok
[09:05] <nikolam> But that is for Intel chipsets
[09:05] <nikolam> i see you have Via
[09:05] <nikolam> So thats not the case..
[09:06] <Rampi^^> so is it a beta version out?
[09:06] <nikolam> Are you shure you downloaded right .iso? Beacouse there are i386, amd64 and ppc images..
[09:06] <Rampi^^> i downloaded the right
[09:06] <nikolam> beta is out but it is still testing version
[09:07] <nikolam> But you can try it.
[09:07] <Rampi^^> yes :P
[09:07] <nikolam> ALSO
[09:07] <Rampi^^> i have cd-rw so it is not a prob
[09:07] <nikolam> you can try using Alternete CD download.
[09:07] <nikolam> Of 7.04 Xubuntu
[09:08] <vinze> *Of* or *or*?
[09:08] <Rampi^^> do i install from det destop
[09:08] <nikolam> Alternate does not have GUI but only text installer and inknown to install much more often with no problems
[09:08] <Rampi^^> desktop
[09:08] <nikolam> I always use alternate CD for install. And I recommend it for install on HD
[09:09] <Rampi^^> but maybe i install then get the kerne prob xD becaus i cant see the desktop now
[09:09] <vinze> nikolam, but a LiveCD is useful for testing whether all your hardware is recognised
[09:09] <Rampi^^> can i have the beta version link
[09:10] <nikolam> vinze: OK, if you got bandwith to spare for both alternate and live cd
[09:10] <vinze> Rampi^^, looking it up now ;-)
[09:10] <Rampi^^> ok ty
[09:10] <nikolam> Rampi^^: it is not listed as beta on xubuntu.org
[09:10] <vinze> Rampi^^, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/7.10/beta/
[09:10] <Rampi^^> ty
[09:10] <nikolam> You can look at it on one of the mirrors
[09:12] <Rampi^^> ok ty cya i will test
[09:27] <user2> how do i record what my sound card is playing to file?
[09:36] <minisrule192> hi
[09:39] <minisrule192> Two users walked into a bar, /quit and /exit... /exit got bored and walked out, who was left?
[10:15] <cistein> how much space a fresh install takes?
[10:22] <cistein> ?
[10:23] <wbadger> .
[10:26] <cistein> > cistein>	how much space a fresh install takes?
[10:26] <wbadger> sorry I don't know
[10:27] <cistein> no problem :)
[10:31] <TheSheep> wbadger: I think about 2GB
[10:31] <wbadger> you mean cistein
[10:31] <TheSheep> wbadger: ah, yes, sorry
[10:32] <cistein> TheSheep: thanks ..
[11:20] <hyper__ch> !superkaramba
[11:20] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[11:45] <brohan> Hey, I've got a slight issue talking to my print server
[11:46] <brohan> That is, its configured with a default gateway other than mine; I'm not a networking guru so it's hard
[11:46] <brohan> So, talking to it is difficult
[11:47] <brohan> I have a feeling the route command might open up the communication, though I'm not sure how


[00:55] <mwhudson> thumper: can you review a branch for me?
[00:55] <mwhudson> it's about 1400 lines
[00:55] <thumper> sure
[01:00] <mwhudson> thumper: you should have mail shortly
[02:30] <mwhudson> thumper: having fun yet?
[02:30] <thumper> mwhudson: trying to keep my eyes open
[02:31] <mwhudson> heh
[02:31] <thumper> mwhudson: just finished going through it all
[02:31] <mwhudson> it wasn't any more fun to write...
[02:31] <thumper> I think that the code_import_helpers should move out of canonical.launchpad.testing
[02:31] <mwhudson> _everything_ should move out of canonical.launchpad.testing
[02:31] <mwhudson> so yeah
[02:32] <thumper> well yeah
[02:33] <mwhudson> thumper: i have another branch to review too, its much easier...
[02:36] <thumper> ok
[02:36] <mwhudson> thumper: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/launchpad/incremental-bzr-svn-imports/+merge/21209
[02:36] <thumper> I haven't got to any coding this afternoon :-|
[02:38] <thumper> mwhudson: both r=thumper
[02:38] <mwhudson> thumper: yeah, sorrya bout that :-)
[02:38] <mwhudson> i'm very glad to get that branch under way though
[02:39] <thumper> it isn't (entirely) your fault
[02:39] <mwhudson> thanks for the reviews
[02:39] <thumper> :)
[02:39] <thumper> I spent quite a bit of time talking to lifeless
[08:40] <adeuring> henninge: where is the branch you want reviewed?
[08:41] <henninge> adeuring: gone ;-)
[08:41] <henninge> adeuring: I guess rockstar did a bad job at cleaning out the queue ...
[08:41] <adeuring> henninge: no problem
[08:43] <wgrant> https://code.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/get-bpr-by-filename/+merge/21211 is mine.
[08:51] <adeuring> wgrant: ok, noted. But let me follow the FIFO principle, so I'll start with jelmer's branch ;)
[08:51] <wgrant> adeuring: Right, I was just putting it there for future reference.
[09:43] <adeuring> jelmer_: review sent
[10:08] <jelmer_> adeuring: thanks!
[12:09] <salgado> adiroiban, you didn't get any email about that bug-531261 branch, did you?
[12:19] <adeuring> wgrant: r=me, one suggetsion
[12:20] <wgrant> adeuring: I don't think there are any open at the moment.
[12:21] <adeuring> wgrant: OK, the I'll start the ec2 test
[12:21] <wgrant> adeuring: Thanks.
[12:21] <adeuring> wgrant: welcome :) And thanks for all your hard work!
[12:24] <salgado> wgrant, do you have another one in the queue?
[12:24] <wgrant> salgado: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/anonymous-irc-nicks-and-wiki-names/+merge/21219
[12:24] <wgrant> Nice tiny one.
[12:25] <adeuring> salgado: can you review it? I need a lunch break ;)
[12:25] <salgado> adeuring, sure
[12:25] <wgrant> Thanks salgado.
[12:26] <salgado> adeuring, but I'll have one waiting for you to get back from lunch. :)
[12:26] <adeuring> salgado: ok,
[12:41] <wgrant> salgado: Thanks. Will you land it?
[12:42] <salgado> wgrant, I'll try, but ec2test is not behaving these days...
[12:43] <wgrant> salgado: I guess we'll see.
[13:38] <jtv> noodles775: I've got some buildfarm fixes, some of them generic (based gratefully on discussion with wgrant) that you might like to review!  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-537866/+merge/21238
[13:40] <allenap> BjornT: Do you think you'll have some time to revisit my isolate-tests branch. I think it's in pretty good shape now.
[13:40] <noodles775> jtv: I'm certainly keen to look through it, but probably over the weekend. It might be best to get the OCRs to review it, and I'll take a look later, if that's ok.
[13:41] <jtv> noodles775: sure, I'll try that
[13:41] <noodles775> jtv: btw, there's a tiny conflict there too.
[13:41] <jtv> adeuring, salgado: either you free for a buildfarm branch?  https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/launchpad/bug-537866/+merge/21238
[13:42] <jtv> grr
[13:42] <jtv> thanks for spotting that
[13:42] <adeuring> jtv: sure
[13:42] <jtv> adeuring: michael just pointed out a small conflict in a block of imports; take it as read that those will be fixed.
[13:43] <salgado> adeuring, I can take jtv's so that you can take mine; that ok with you?
[13:43] <adeuring> salgado: sure :)
[13:43] <adeuring> BTW, I'm already reading you changes
[13:43] <jtv> cool
[13:57] <BjornT> allenap: yes, i think i'll have time today
[13:58] <allenap> BjornT: Thanks. Do you also have 30s to approve a db query in LPS please? I need to run it ASAP.
[14:04] <adeuring> salgado: r=me
[14:05] <salgado> thanks adeuring
[14:06] <BjornT> allenap: why is the query needed? won't checkwatches choose a subset of bug watches to update anyway?
[14:08] <allenap> BjornT: It will, but there are 15k watches, there have been problems with batching before, and I'm not 100% sure they're all solved (I think they are, but every time I've thought that something else happens). I just want to be safer than sorry.
[14:10] <BjornT> allenap: you probably shouldn't update the ones that are NULL, though, should you?
[14:11] <allenap> BjornT: There are probably a lot of those because this tracker has been disabled for weeks, but I guess not. I'll update the query.
[14:16] <NCommander> allenap: thanks for the review this morning
[14:17] <allenap> NCommander: Did you mean someone else?
[14:17] <NCommander> allenap: er, whopos, autocomplete got the wrong person :-/
[14:17]  * NCommander goes to find his coffee pop
[14:18] <allenap> :)
[14:18] <NCommander> *pot
[14:18] <NCommander> wow
[14:18] <NCommander> adeuring: thanks for the review this morning
[14:18] <adeuring> NCommander: welcome :)
[14:19] <adeuring> NCommander: plase ping me when/if BjornT and stub approved the branch, then I'll land it
[14:19] <NCommander> adeuring: Thank you, I was wondering if you could help me understand something first though: I'm not very knowledgable about LIbrarian ATM, how much of a hit is it to query librarian for a file then parse its data directly in a UI method?
[14:20] <NCommander> abentley: the other thing that was discussed was the possibility of moving the changelogs to a new table then enforcing a forgein key restriction (and then possibly moving copyright files at some point in the future)
[14:20] <adeuring> NCommander: I have no real clue. But IIRC the Soyuz folks did something like this
[14:21] <adeuring> NCommander: yes, having another table would address most of BjornT's  concerns, sounds like a good idea
[14:21] <abentley> NCommander, you mean me?
[14:21] <adeuring> abentley: I think he meant me
[14:22]  * NCommander isn't so sure anymore
[14:22] <NCommander> I'm welcome to accept all opinions :-)
[14:27] <adeuring> NCommander: Can the stuff the needs to be displayed from changlog change without a change in the changelog data?
[14:28] <adeuring> garrr... that's unreadable... let me try to avoid the repetiton of "change"....
[14:29] <adeuring> NCommander: can it happen that different things from the changelog must be displayed without any modification in the changelog data? If not, the parsed data could be stored instead in the DB
[14:31] <NCommander> adeuring: that's what we currently do (sorta, we pull changelog exerts from the .changes file).
[14:31] <adeuring> ok...
[15:06] <adiroiban> salgado: sorry for the delay. No, no email. Most probably some tests are failing, but unfortunalty I can not run the full LP test suite on my computer
[15:07] <salgado> adiroiban, yeah, I'm just running the full test suite now.  once it finishes I'll check if anything failed and let you know
[15:08] <adiroiban> salgado: thanks!
[15:42] <adiroiban> danilos: can you please take a quick look at this MP https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adiroiban/launchpad/bug-201749/+merge/21250
[15:42] <adiroiban> it is not ready yet
[15:43] <adiroiban> but I would like to know your comments for the potmsgset.resetCurrentTranslation()
[15:44] <danilos> adiroiban, sure, I'll take a look in a bit
[15:46] <NCommander> BjornT: would using a separate table for changelog information help with your concerns on increased memory usage?
[16:00] <jtv> salgado-lunch: yup, "make lint" catches that bad character that got in...  it must have happened when I thought I was done and closed the window.  :-(
[16:01] <jtv> huh wait, there's more lint now... wtf?
[16:01] <danilos> adiroiban, hey, looking at your branch now
[16:01] <danilos> adiroiban, updateTranslations is off limits: no changes allowed there ;)
[16:02] <danilos> adiroiban, and date_created should probably not be modified
[16:02] <adiroiban> danilos: a I agree with date_created
[16:03] <adiroiban> but I don't know how to modify a potmsgset to be listed again as needs review
[16:03] <danilos> adiroiban, logic to determine which method to call should be in the browser code
[16:03] <danilos> adiroiban, potmsgset shouldn't be modified at all
[16:04] <danilos> adiroiban, it's a TM you are modifying, and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/201749/comments/13 gives you a suggestion
[16:04] <mup> Bug #201749: Impossible to mark as needing review strings already translated or with suggestions <story-translations-review> <ui> <Launchpad Translations:In Progress by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/201749>
[16:04] <adiroiban> danilos: ok I will move the logic to browser code
[16:04] <danilos> adiroiban, and now, on to the resetCurrentTranslation method :)
[16:07] <danilos> adiroiban, the way you do it won't do: we don't have the luxury of fetching a bunch of messages for every single message on +translate page
[16:07] <danilos> adiroiban, you need to get only the matching message if it exists
[16:08] <adiroiban> ok. but the logic is ok ?
[16:08] <danilos> adiroiban, and the thing you are doing there is not what you should be doing
[16:09] <danilos> adiroiban, no, sorry
[16:09] <adiroiban> ok
[16:09] <adiroiban> I still don't know how diverged messages shoudl be handled
[16:10] <danilos> adiroiban, basically, your code does this: "current, diverged translation 'blah' needs review, let's find all other diverged translations 'blah' and make them 'shared'
[16:12] <adiroiban> and what it should do?
[16:12] <danilos> adiroiban, well, the only thing code should do is find an identical (to current) suggestion (meaning .is_current=False, .potemplate=None) if it exists, and then only discard the older one
[16:12] <danilos> adiroiban, let me prepare an example
[16:15] <danilos> adiroiban, http://paste.ubuntu.com/394099/
[16:15] <danilos> adiroiban, fwiw, removing a message is impossible from web UI anyway, so you really can't fix this bug properly
[16:17] <danilos> adiroiban, another example to be wary of: http://paste.ubuntu.com/394100/
[16:18] <adiroiban> how we should proceed with the removal of a message?
[16:30] <danilos> adiroiban, well, the best way would be to somehow tag it an then remove it later
[16:31] <adiroiban> danilos: and when tag it... we should tag it in a wait it will not be selected by any other existing query
[16:31] <danilos> adiroiban, what do you mean?
[16:32] <danilos> adiroiban, perhaps we'll have to allow removal from the web UI as well, though that sounds very, very bad
[16:32] <danilos> adiroiban, there's also the transfer of all the flags, like is_imported, from the deleted message to the preserved one
[16:32] <adiroiban> danilos: i guess there are many SELECT queries that will need to be modified to take into acount the tag
[16:33] <danilos> adiroiban, yeah, it'd end up being a pretty big change, with many performance implications
[16:34] <danilos> adiroiban, as such, I wouldn't tackle this before many other things are cleaned up first
[16:35] <adiroiban> danilos: but this is a big issues if someone is using Launchpad translations for reviewing or doing QA related tasks
[16:36] <danilos> adiroiban, I am not disagreeing, I am just saying that it'll take a lot of work to get this done properly; or, we can ignore some of the issues and live with some problems we introduce, but we've got to be aware of them first
[16:37] <danilos> adiroiban, for example, perhaps it's not a big deal if we've got duplicate identical suggestions in the DB, so let's not block on that
[16:38] <adiroiban> danilos: for the duplicate suggestions
[16:38] <danilos> adiroiban, we'll get some weird behaviour occasionally, but let's say they are of lower priority
[16:38] <adiroiban> maybe we can have a cron job that will do the cleaning
[16:38] <danilos> adiroiban, now, there's still some things to worry about
[16:38] <danilos> adiroiban, maybe, but that'll be very complex as well
[16:39] <adiroiban> danilos: what are are the other issues?
[16:39] <danilos> adiroiban, and it won't stop any weirdness
[16:40] <danilos> adiroiban, the other issue is that we need to carefully consider what will happen when somebody asks a diverged translation to be reviewed, and there is an existing shared one
[16:41] <danilos> adiroiban, i.e. http://paste.ubuntu.com/394130/
[16:41] <danilos> adiroiban, also, note that you can't unset potemplate if is_imported is true either
[16:43] <adiroiban> danilos: for lates example, I think result 1 is fine
[16:44] <adiroiban> and then another reviewer can decide if the shared suggestion is better
[16:44] <adiroiban> or it will need a new diverged translation
[16:45] <danilos> adiroiban, right
[16:46] <danilos> adiroiban, ok, so, then it won't be that complicated
[16:46] <adiroiban> danilos: what are the consequences of setting potemplate = None for a msgset with is_imported = True ?
[16:47] <danilos> adiroiban, basically, we'll have to watch if current message is diverged or not; if it is, and it isn't is_imported, then you unset is_current and .potemplate and how you don't hit a DB constraint :)
[16:47] <danilos> adiroiban, it won't be diverged is_imported message, and if there's another shared is_imported message, you'd be in for a ride
[16:47] <danilos> adiroiban, basically, many places where only one is expected would assert/traceback
[16:48] <danilos> adiroiban, provided you don't hit a DB constraint first (I am not sure if we have one like that)
[16:48] <adiroiban> danilos: I see
[16:50] <adiroiban> danilos: ok. thanks. one more question regarding potmsgset.updateTranslation()
[16:50] <danilos> adiroiban, sure (though, you still can't touch it: nobody can, functionality needs to be slowly factored out of it :)
[16:50] <adiroiban> should I add a new bug for the case when you tick „needs” for a already reviewd translation?
[16:51] <adiroiban> or we already have a bug for that?
[16:51] <danilos> adiroiban, what do you mean?
[16:51] <adiroiban> if you add a new suggestion
[16:51] <danilos> adiroiban, ok?
[16:51] <adiroiban> and you tick „needs review”
[16:51] <adiroiban> it will be listed as a new suggestion
[16:51] <danilos> adiroiban, right, that's how it should work
[16:52] <adiroiban> but if in fact it is not a new suggesion
[16:52] <jtv> salgado-lunch: I've fixed up the weirdness in my branch.  I'm going to reboot now, hoping that that'll fix it.
[16:52] <adiroiban> and _findTranslationMessage
[16:52] <adiroiban> finds that this new suggestion
[16:52] <danilos> adiroiban, ah, right, it's an already discarded suggestion
[16:52] <adiroiban> is in fact an already existing suggestion
[16:52] <adiroiban> it will not mark it as needs review
[16:52] <adiroiban> this is why I touched the updateTranslation code
[16:53] <danilos> adiroiban, I am pretty sure we have a bug about that as well
[16:53] <adiroiban> ok
[16:54] <danilos> adiroiban, if you ever want to fix that, you'll have to provide a new method addASuggestion() or something, similar to what you did for this bug, and move the functionality out of updateTranslation method and add new functionality you want :)
[16:54] <danilos> adiroiban, and again, moved the logic to decide what to do out into browser code
[16:54] <adiroiban> danilos: yes. I will move that logic.
[16:54] <danilos> s/moved/move
[16:55] <adiroiban> that was the initial implimentation
[16:55] <adiroiban> but then I didn't know where to put the tests
[16:55] <adiroiban> for that code
[16:55] <danilos> adiroiban, right, I am talking about the other bug where discared suggestions don't show up as suggestions afterwards
[16:55] <adiroiban> danilos: ah. ok... do you have any suggestion for where should I put the integration tests for resetCurrentTranslation ?
[16:56] <adiroiban> lib/lp/translations/browser/tests/translationmessage-views.txt ?
[16:56] <adiroiban> I am very puzzled by the way unit tests and integration tests are structured
[16:56] <danilos> adiroiban, integration test? that would probably be very tricky, I'd look for existing needs review tests
[16:57] <danilos> adiroiban, good unit tests are most important here; single integration test is good enough
[16:57] <adiroiban> danilos: lib/lp/translations/tests/potmsgset-update-translation.txt
[16:57] <danilos> adiroiban, the problem is that all these translationmessage and pofile views are a mess, just like updateTranslation is: there is no clear separation of anything
[16:58] <adiroiban> danilos: ok
[16:58] <adiroiban> thanks!
[16:58] <danilos> adiroiban, that'd be for documentation on updateTranslation method, do it in potmsgset.txt with a single example for how to use resetCurrentTranslation (and please make it accept identical parameters as the rest of the methods: i.e. don't use pofile if other methods are passing potemplate, language and variant)
[16:59] <adiroiban> I will try to fix the current problems and come back with more questions
[16:59] <danilos> adiroiban, sure, I am likely to be out, but I can probably find some time over the weekend (email me :)
[17:00] <adiroiban> danilos: no emails for the weekend... and I don't know if I will have time over the weekend
[17:00] <danilos> adiroiban, heh, ok :)
[17:01] <danilos> adiroiban, anyway, to be honest, this should probably be a new checkbox closer to the current translation; hopefully redesign of +translate views will fix all this
[17:02] <adiroiban> danilos: I agree, as this is not „needs review” , but reset reviewed state
[17:03] <adiroiban> danilos: did you have time to look over the POTemplate API ?
[17:10] <salgado> adiroiban, did you get a failure email this time?
[17:12] <adiroiban> salgado: yes. thanks
[17:14] <adiroiban> salgado: are the same windmill tests that on my computer are also failing on mainline
[17:14] <salgado> adiroiban, are you sure your mainline branch is pristine?
[17:15] <salgado> because these tests don't fail in other branches I've submitted to ec2
[17:15] <salgado> e.g. the one I submitted for wgrant which is on PQM right now
[17:16] <adiroiban> salgado: yes , the mainline is pristine... but my computer is slow and all waits.forElemets are exceded
[17:16] <adiroiban> but most probably, my changes are introducing more delays
[17:17] <adiroiban> and this is why those tests are failing on ec2
[17:17] <salgado> could be
[17:17] <adiroiban> and they are not failing all the time
[17:18] <adiroiban> on my computer, there are 50% chances of a windmill test to pass
[17:18] <adiroiban> and this was since the beginning of my hacking on launchpad
[17:28] <danilos> adiroiban, sorry, I don't remember seeing anything about the potemplate API, where was that?
[17:29] <adiroiban> danilos: hm... I have added them as comment to the bug
[17:29] <adiroiban> and I remember sending an notification email to you, henning and jtv
[17:30] <adiroiban> the subject was POTemplate Details API
[17:30] <adiroiban> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/525371
[17:30] <mup> Bug #525371: API for reading POTemplates details <api> <Launchpad Translations:Triaged by adiroiban> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/525371>
[18:47] <rockstar> salgado, care to look at a branch really quick?
[18:47] <salgado> rockstar, sure, where's it?
[18:47] <rockstar> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rockstar/launchpad/recipe-canonical_url/+merge/21271
[18:47] <rockstar> It's really little.
[18:49] <salgado> rockstar, I wonder if isn't there a better place for that test...
[18:49] <salgado> also, you don't really need to add that empty file, do you?
[18:49] <salgado> not really empty, but with no actual code
[18:49] <rockstar> salgado, I do because abentley and I both need it very soon, and we wanted to avoid conflicts.
[18:50] <salgado> oh, ok.  can you s/2009/2010 there, then?
[18:50] <rockstar> Huh, I thought I did...
[18:51] <salgado> rockstar, how about moving the test to ./lib/lp/code/tests/test_sourcepackagerecipe.py ?
[18:51] <rockstar> salgado, according to https://dev.launchpad.net/Web/URLTraversal that's where the test should go.  I originally had a unit test there.
[18:52] <salgado> oh, didn't know about that
[18:53] <salgado> r=me
[18:53] <rockstar> salgado, cheers!
[18:58] <jtv> salgado: I fixed those weird problems with my branch, but now I found an unintended consequence: too much is working now, meaning that a doctest is actually trying to talk to build-farm slaves, which of course we can't do in tests.  I'm fixing that up now.
[19:05] <salgado> jtv, ok, I've just sent you a second round of feedback
[19:05] <jtv> thanks
[19:59] <salgado> jtv, will you let me know once you're done with that branch?
[19:59] <jtv> salgado: yes
[20:24] <jtv> salgado: over to you.  It's deep night here, so I won't be around for much longer
[20:24] <jtv> whoops, maybe I should push those changes first :)
[20:29] <salgado> jtv, that's a good idea. :)
[20:29] <jtv> salgado: it's taking a while for the diff to update...
[20:30] <jtv> salgado: updated now.
[20:31] <salgado> cool
[21:25] <jtv> salgado: thanks!
[21:50] <wgrant> Anybody around for a review of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~wgrant/launchpad/bprdc/+merge/21213?


[07:38] <keantoken> hello
[07:43] <keantoken> I finally found the ICM color profiule for my monitor. I usually apply it with Preferences->Color Profiles. But whenever I go to the Nvidia control panel it resets the gamma. Does the Nvidia panel automatically overwrite my own profile?
[18:28] <odt> hey guys
[18:29] <odt> im trying to stream from an old sony handycam over dv
[18:29] <odt> got it somewhat working but there are lots of artifacts
[18:29] <odt> dont think i saw those with the old raw1394 drivers
[19:24] <paparent> Hello guys ! :P I'd like to use my midi keyboard (controller) live in a future show, and ubuntu.. I tried Qsynth, but I'd like to know if there's a better program for doing something live, sound might change, etc... ? any suggestion?


[10:03] <nikkia> (or you can even tell dhclient to prepend items to the list it gets back, i think that IS documented, in the manpage for dhclient.conf
[10:03] <nikkia> chx, edit the dhclient.conf, and there should be a list of items to request, just remove the one that has dns in it's keyword
[10:03] <chx> prepend [ option declaration ]  ; <= that one i saw
[10:04] <chx> prepend nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:04] <nikkia> close
[10:04] <nikkia> prepend domain-name-servers <IP_ADDRESS>;
[10:04] <chx> ahhhh
[10:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: i know very well he'll email me the changes at midnight->1am, and expect them integrated tomorrow morning at 9am :P
[10:05] <chx> nikkia: thanks
[10:05] <apokryphos> nikkia: what, you need sleep? :D
[10:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've already said to him that i've made substantial changes to the code that he's altering, and that i plan to hand merge them, i can't just copy his classes over mine
[10:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: well, i certainly don't 'need' a bank holiday, it'd seem, so needing sleep is probably a stretch of the imagination too :)
[10:06] <apokryphos> ah, tomorrow? Forgot.
[10:07] <nikkia> apparently :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you get lieu days or whatever for your BHs?
[10:08] <nikkia> ahahahhaha, no
[10:08] <nikkia> officially, i'm 'not working' :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> heh
[10:09] <nikkia> just like how officially, i've had every weekend off since may
[10:09] <apokryphos> The company sure would get a mighty blow if you left 8)
[10:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: that'd be why when they were saying that they were going to move office, and i kicked up a fuss about how it was a 'kick in the nuts' (just a phrase) as far as i was concerned, he told me 'we'll do ANYTHING to keep you here'
[10:10] <apokryphos> It all of course makes more sense now, yes. =)
[10:10] <nikkia> i don't drive, so its important to me that my office is within walking distance
[10:10] <Fraeon> You shouldn't use the phrase "a kick in the nuts" if you don't have any nuts people can kick to. ;(
[10:11] <apokryphos> Fraeon: why not?
[10:11] <nikkia> Fraeon: in that case, i'm sure we can demand back usage of a lot of phrases that men use when they shouldn't :)
[10:11] <apokryphos> even most English swearwords (or derogatory remarks) are things that are either just weird, or biologically impossible
[10:11] <apokryphos> s/weird/pleasurable
[10:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: indeed, i can think of one off the top of my head that fits 'pleasurable' :)
[10:12] <Fraeon> "fucknuts"?
[10:13] <apokryphos> ones I won't mention in here :D
[10:13] <Fraeon> Maybe we should start saying "you bundle of wood!"
[10:13] <nikkia> Fraeon: that just annoys squirrels
[10:13] <nikkia> (the nuts one)
[10:14] <Fraeon> Some may consider me nuts for doing this, but I'm installing IE on Wine
[10:14] <Fraeon> Again the nuts came up
[10:14] <nikkia> 'you spend all summer burying the darned things, then some pesky human goes and makes them taste funny!' (and yes, i'm aware that squirrels don't spend much time burying nuts really)
[10:15] <nikkia> (and i'm also aware that the majority of squirrels around the world don't bury nuts at all :)
[10:16] <Fraeon> Hmmm...fails at 40%
[10:19] <jpatrick> apokryphos: is there any way of moving KXDocker to the top of the screen?
[10:20] <Fraeon> What are all the addons people use to get those Mac desktops on KDE?
[10:20] <Fraeon> KXDocker is one, I heard some use Karamba...
[10:20] <Fraeon> But what else?
[10:21] <Fraeon> Oh, and now I can browse the web with IE like 90% of the people
[10:21] <Fraeon> Although I only installed it because a program I need to run on wine needs it
[10:24] <jpatrick> I like KXDocker coz it's fast
[10:24] <apokryphos> jpatrick: no, I don't think you can. Docks are pretty much always at the bottom
[10:24] <jpatrick> Noooo!!
[10:25] <apokryphos> I've only ever used it briefly though; I'd have to try it again to be sure.
[10:25] <apokryphos> Fraeon: karamba is good for many things
[10:25] <jpatrick> There's an option to move it but it's greyed out >:(
[10:25] <Blissex> Fraeon: have you got unlimited memory and CPU to spare? then go ahead and ask in #KDE about EYE CANDY! :_)
[10:26] <Tm_T> don't do it
[10:26] <Fraeon> If I had that to spare, I'd be using Vista Beta 1
[10:26] <apokryphos> Blissex: it's not that bad, really :D. Though it's pretty bad
[10:26] <jpatrick> Vista :P
[10:26] <Tm_T> I keep noose ready for everyone who's asking eyecandy
[10:27] <jpatrick> apokryphos: why what would happen?
[10:27] <apokryphos> Blissex: doing 30 or so dcop calls a second used to bring at least SK 0.6 (hope I'm remembering the versions here) to its knees
[10:27] <apokryphos> jpatrick: SK was/is notorious for being CPU-intensive
[10:27] <Blissex> apokryphos: you need to try transparency and shadows then :-)
[10:27] <apokryphos> Blissex: tried; though doesn't seem to work with current Xorg
[10:28] <apokryphos> annoying, because I wanted to try transparency with just windecs to see how it ran.
[10:28] <Blissex> apokryphos: and perhaps use E 0.17 instead of KWin :-)
[10:28] <Blissex> apokryphos: they seem to work here... With KDE 3.4.2, but amazingly slowly (I haven't installed thw accel driver).
[10:28] <apokryphos> erm, 0.36 not 0.6
[10:28] <apokryphos> Blissex: I haven't even tried it without the accel driver :P
[10:29] <apokryphos> not that I would; I'd imagine it'd be very slow. I hope this issue becoems fixed eventually in Breezy (it's still currently broken)
[10:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: NeXTstep invented the concept of the dock... and it's dock was .... on the right hand side
[10:30] <apokryphos> hah
[10:30] <apokryphos> KDE's old QuickLaunch was actually a semi-dock.
[10:30] <apokryphos> though I do actually prefer the new hover-over affect (some hate it with passion)
[10:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: see: http://www120.pair.com/mccarthy/nextstep/intro.htmld/desktop1.gif
[10:31] <apokryphos> unfortunate for them; the idea is used much more in kicker in 3.5
[10:31] <nikkia> (there's actually 2 docks there, in fairness)
[10:31] <apokryphos> ah, I see.
[10:31] <riddlebox> is kubuntu the most up to date debian distro?
[10:32] <apokryphos> riddlebox: it's the quickest-kde-updating debian-based distro, if that's what you're asking.
[10:32] <nikkia> riddle, depends if there's been a knoppix release recently
[10:32] <riddlebox> can you still use the debian repositories then? or does kubuntu/ubuntu have their own?
[10:33] <apokryphos> it has its  own
[10:33] <nikkia> [k] ubuntu have their own
[10:33] <riddlebox> so are all the packages that are in debian's repositories available then
[10:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: read the latest dot article? Shuttleworth doing a talk at aKademy :D. I found that pretty cool
[10:33] <nikkia> it would be nice if the packages were more debian-compatible, but that'd probably mean being stuck with Xfree :)
[10:33] <apokryphos> riddlebox: pretty much
[10:34] <riddlebox> hrmm thanks
[10:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: of course not, i only ever read it when you twist my arm into it :P
[10:35] <apokryphos> nikkia: why not -- it's interesting, really! I guess only if you're interested in the world of kde
[10:35] <apokryphos> though it seems to be down again... great.
[10:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: *shrug* its just not something i read on my own volition, don't know why
[10:35] <nikkia> i usually find it interesting when i get there, however
[10:36] <nikkia> except tonight, cos its not loading :P
[10:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: you're more interested in non-DE related stuff; 'cos you're among the old fogies :D
[10:38] <nikkia> among?
[10:38] <nikkia> i'm working to enslave them and make them my army of the undead to do my bidding!
[10:38] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I resemble that remark! :P
[10:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: you're not alone, yes!
[10:38] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:38] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: you do? But you like fluxbox :D
[10:39] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: I'm definitely an old fogie...
[10:39] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[10:39] <nikkia> real old fogies use fvwm and bemoan the fact it isn't 'fast' anymore :P
[10:39] <apokryphos> didn't mean old, age-wise. nikkia here is pretty young; I meant in the world of Linux -- she's been w/ith it for some time 8)
[10:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm not that young :/
[10:40] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :)
[10:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah, you are :P
[10:40] <nikkia> balls!
[10:40] <nikkia> 6 minutes left on an auction and the price just shot up
[10:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: always the way
[10:41] <thoreauputic> nikkia: actually real old fogies reminisce about IBM 360s , punch cards and PDP-11 s ;-)
[10:41] <nikkia> thoreauputic: Mmmmm, 36-bit goodness
[10:41] <nikkia> TOPS-20 beats all!
[10:41] <apokryphos> real, real old fogies reminisce about the good ol' calculator
[10:41] <apokryphos> pascal-style
[10:41] <nikkia> altho VMS comes close
[10:42] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: calculators? whatever happened to slide rules ?
[10:42] <nikkia> thoreauputic: besides, i tend to find that DEC-based old fogies pretty much evenly divide between PDP-8 weenies and PDP-11 fans :)
[10:42] <apokryphos> if you ask me, I still prefer the Abacus... don't know why these yougins are comin' out with all this other stuff
[10:42] <apokryphos> no need
[10:42] <nikkia> altho the PDP-10 is better than them both, but we have less loving :(
[10:43] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: abacus? You were lucky... we had to count toes and fingers in my day!
[10:43] <apokryphos> hehe
[10:43] <EasterSunshine> apokryphos: were you the dude that said you installed ubuntu on someone's comp, with an ssh server and remote desktop server?
[10:43] <apokryphos> no
[10:43] <nikkia> thoreauputic: and used base-12 ? *gd&r*
[10:43] <EasterSunshine> oh
[10:44] <apokryphos> sticks with leaves does the job just fine
[10:44] <apokryphos> freakin' stone age
[10:44] <thoreauputic> nikkia: base twelve *and* base twenty - not to mention base 21 for Guineas !
[10:44] <Tm_T> :/
[10:45] <jpatrick> :\
[10:45] <nikkia> so you admit you have 12 fingers and 12 toes ? :)
[10:45] <apokryphos> :|
[10:45] <thoreauputic> nikkia: pounds, shillings and pence!
[10:45] <thoreauputic> nikkia: I prefer not to check my toes these days - not a pretty sight ;p
[10:46] <Blissex> nikkia: I used to love Twenex
[10:46] <nikkia> Blissex: we all did
[10:46] <Blissex> nikkia: user space paging and all that -- I could cry :-)
[10:46] <nikkia> Blissex: only the heathens liked TOPS-10
[10:47] <nikkia> Blissex: and lets not mention those godless druids and their 8/11s
[10:47] <Tm_T> wtf
[10:48] <Blissex> nikkia: 11s had their own reason to exist, for the poor masses.
[10:51] <nikkia> blissex, indeed
[10:51] <Blissex> nikkia: I keep a photo of my favourite 11/34 running 2.9BSD framed on the stand next to my bed :-)
[10:52] <nikkia> Blissex: i never had favorites, just a nice big cluster
[10:52] <jpatrick> anyone here know how Katapult works?
[10:52] <nikkia> Blissex: mostly VAXen, but there were a handful of PDPs in there
[10:53] <thoreauputic> heh - *nothing* has happened in #ubuntu-devel for over an hour - that's some kind of record
[10:54] <apokryphos> they must all be at aKademy :D
[10:54] <Tm_T> hoh
[10:55] <Tm_T> =)
[10:55] <nikkia> Blissex: i always found that you could tell dedicated VAXen/PDP system admins by 1) how much their total annnual license for the OS was, 2) how low a number their DECnet was :)
[10:56] <nikkia> we were on spur 8 with a vendor ID of 3, iirc
[10:56] <nikkia> (which means were were the 3rd UK company to sign up for DECnet :)
[11:39] <penguinboy> hey hey hey
[11:40] <penguinboy> anyone here?
[11:40] <Tm_T> never
[11:40] <penguinboy> lol
[11:40] <penguinboy> a question......games is not showing up in my K Menu.....how can I add it?
[11:41] <Tm_T> yeah, keep using "lol" and I'll stick it right back to your arse
[11:41] <penguinboy> oh yeah????
[11:41] <Caedmon> Got a bit of an issue.. When KDE started up, it said sound couldn't run because /dev/dsp didn't exist.. Any clue how I could fix this?
[11:42] <Tm_T> Caedmon: uhm, nice
[11:43] <penguinboy> wanna tackle the K Menu prob????
[11:44] <NigeyUK> penguinboy, what games?
[11:44] <penguinboy> a question......games is not showing up in my K Menu.....how can I add it?
[11:44] <penguinboy> the games catefory
[11:44] <NigeyUK> you installed the games package from kynaptic ?
[11:44] <penguinboy> like graphics, internet, multimedia, office, system
[11:45] <Tm_T> penguinboy: try kappfinder
[11:46] <penguinboy> thanks Tm_T....kappfinder worked great!!!
[11:47] <Caedmon> No ideas on why /dev/dsp doesn't exist, or how I could fix my sound issue?
[11:47] <Tm_T> np
[11:48] <NigeyUK> Caedmon, what soundcard ?
[11:49] <Caedmon> SB Audigy 2
[11:49] <NigeyUK> ah.. www.ubuntuforums.org theres a big sticky there related to the audigy 2
[11:51] <Caedmon> Aha


[04:34] <lpotter> hmm... my mode data connection is wonky today
[04:51] <anmol_> hi
[04:51] <anmol_> anyone around ?
[04:52] <anmol_> i want to port ubuntu touch to nexus 6p
[04:52] <anmol_> i saw instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[04:52] <anmol_> but it downloads a lot of stuff ?
[04:52] <anmol_> is that all required ?
[04:53] <anmol_> i mean the phablet-dev-bootstrap phablet  command
[04:53] <anmol_> ?
[04:53] <anmol_> anyone ?
[05:01] <anmol_> anyone there ?
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[09:17] <matv2> i seem to remember that after implementing wpa2 enterprise, nm detected that a password of a saved connection was not/no longer valid and prompted for a password
[09:19] <matv2> should that be the case?
[09:20] <matv2> because, for me, it does not do so now
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy English Toffee Day! 😃  🍬
[09:27] <matv2> to be more precise, I have a stored wifi connection that is in range. It does not connect automatically because the pw has changed. However, if i mark it in the wifi ui, it stays marked and green. However does not connect
[09:28] <matv2> that seems a bug. However i cant remember if pw prompting was ever implemented for such cases
[09:33] <matv2> I should add that this a wpa2 enterprise connection
[11:19] <V99> hi
[11:23] <V99> all the apt-get packages are tested in utouch?
[11:23] <k1l_> V99: no. apt-get is not the supported way to install software on ubuntu touch. they use click-packages
[12:39] <V99> k1l_: and what i have to do to update the system if i put my system in RW?
[13:17] <k1l_> V99: iirc you wont get the OTA updates than.
[13:19] <V99> but my question is, i have another method to update or not?
[13:20] <ogra_> not really
[13:21] <ogra_> apt upgrading will work for a while and then it will fall apart completely, so if you use apt, be prepared to re-flash from scratch at some point
[13:21] <ogra_> if you want to use apt. use a chroot, or an lxc container instead ...
[13:22] <ogra_> (that will also solve the fact that your / only has ~50MB free, so you couldnt install much anyway)
[13:40] <V99> ok ogra_ thanks for the info
[13:47] <V99> i'm very upset with utouch expected a pure Linux system
[13:48] <k1l_> it is a linux system.
[13:48] <k1l_> maybe you expected a "classic .deb based desktop system". but i think that was not what was to be told you get with ubuntu-touch
[13:55] <bogdan> Hi
[13:55] <bogdan> Can i install ubuntu touch on ZTE v815w?
[13:55] <bogdan> Android 4.4, MT6572, Kernel 3.67
[14:15] <attente> Elleo: hi. could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/maliit-inputcontext-gtk/trunk?
[14:18] <Elleo> attente: I can try to give it a quick review, I haven't really had anything to do with maliit's GTK input stuff though
[14:19] <attente> Elleo: ok, thanks. it's just been sitting around a while, and at some point we're going to need it for osk in gtk apps
[14:24] <Elleo> attente: fyi, I don't actually maintain the maliit packages (I don't have upload rights), they used to be handled by rsalveti, not sure who handles them since he changed position, I think Mirv did the last few uploads
[14:24] <Elleo> attente: is this intended to be a separate source package? I'd have thought it should be built from the maliit-framework package?
[14:25] <attente> Elleo: upstream decided to split the input context plugins for gtk and qt into separate source repos
[14:25] <Elleo> attente: ah, okay
[14:25] <attente> Elleo: so right now, they're just transitional packages in the archive
[14:25] <attente> at least for gtk. qt is still working
[14:26] <attente> Elleo: as far as testing goes, probably the easiest way to test is to try a gtk app with maliit under unity 7
[14:27] <Elleo> attente: okay
[14:27] <attente> or trying something like gedit under u8, but there are some major problems i have to look at there
[14:28] <Elleo> attente: what sort of problems, out of curiosity?
[14:30] <attente> Elleo: this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1417655
[14:30] <attente> Elleo: it's preventing gtk from popping up menus and dialogs
[14:31] <Elleo> attente: ah, okay, so not maliit related issues then
[14:31] <attente> Elleo: right, not maliit-related. you could still in theory test it under u8 with gedit since the text entry doesn't require multi-surface there
[14:32] <Elleo> yeah
[14:48] <delijati> Hi i was able to start a app on the desktop (after installing qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1, qml-module-ubuntu-connectivity) but how should i now setup connectivity and contacts?
[14:49] <delijati> Is this going to be easier with 16.04 ? ubuntu-sdk + android + kits + ubuntu emulater a way to much hassel to contribute to any app :/
[14:54] <Mirv> Elleo: attente: no-one specifically handles them, ie the person who needs to land something, lands it. trainguards will help in uploading packages to the landing PPA.
[14:55] <Elleo> Mirv: okay, thanks
[15:04] <attente> Mirv: does it matter that i don't have upload privileges?
[15:11] <Mirv> attente: no, it's the same landing as any Canonical CI project landing, just with the difference that you prepare the upload locally, and ask a trainguard to upload to the PPA. similarly when it's ready and QA approved, one gets a core-dev to publish the silo.
[15:13] <attente> Mirv: sorry, i misunderstand. how do i prepare the upload locally?
[15:24] <sil2100> attente: is this a question about manual uploads in the train?
[15:25] <Mirv> attente: you prepare locally, then copy to private-fileshare and give a trainguard a link and the target silo to upload to
[15:26] <Mirv> attente: I mean, you get the latest release with eg dget, patch it, test it locally, and do eg bzr bd -S at the end
[15:26] <Mirv> attente: you can and should also do a dual landing silo, so preparing both vivid+overlay release and xenial release, so that there's no delta
[15:27] <Mirv> attente: you copy the, .orig.tar.gz, .dsc, .debian.tar.gz, and .changes files for us to download from. that's how morphis works for example with his android/pulseaudio/etc uploads
[15:28] <attente> sil2100: Mirv: ok, so i just send one of the trainguard's a link to the source package?
[15:29] <Mirv> attente: yes, preferably on private-fileshare so that it's identifiably you and we don't need to spend so much time validating your gpg signature etc on the packages
[15:30] <attente> Mirv: ok, thanks
[15:31] <Mirv> attente: it seems there's no maliit-framework in overlay PPA (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?batch=75&direction=backwards&memo=150&start=75) - meaning that you'd get both vivid and xenial versions from this page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maliit-framework (dget <url-to-.dsc-file>)
[15:43] <attente> Mirv: the package i'm trying to upload is a new one called maliit-inputcontext-gtk
[15:44] <attente> this one https://code.launchpad.net/maliit-inputcontext-gtk
[15:52] <Mirv> attente: oh, that's ours? it's not anywhere yet I guess? it should go via normal train process then.
[15:52] <Mirv> hadn't heard about that
[15:53] <attente> Mirv: it's a new source package. upstream split it out from the original repo. so right now the maliit-inputcontext-gtk[23] packages are transitional
[15:53] <Mirv> ok
[15:53] <Mirv> I need to leave now, but feel free to discuss it with eg sil2100 still nowish or rob_ru later
[15:53] <Mirv> I mean if you need packaging consultance or need to know what to do to get MP:s against that project working normally
[15:54] <Mirv> if you plan to not actually develop but do manual uploads from upstream sources mostly, added with patches, then it's the manual route already discussed
[15:56] <attente> Mirv: ok, sure, thanks
[16:00] <sil2100> attente, Mirv: from what I see this project would have to be dealt with manual uploads anyway, since (at least right now) it's just a debian/ directory with tarballs being fetched from the watch-file
[16:00] <sil2100> attente, Mirv: I mean, we could work with it with MPs as well in theory
[16:02] <attente> sil2100: is there something i should change to the project? it's just the packaging for that upstream project
[17:03] <ogra_> hmm
[17:03]  * ogra_ just dug up his flo ...
[17:03] <ogra_> "last update 29th Jul. 2014 " ...
[17:04] <ogra_> "update available" ....
[17:04] <ogra_> interesting to see if that will work :)
[17:14] <davmor2> ogra_: of course it will
[17:14] <ogra_> yeah, it did... but i jusr saw i'm on devel-proposed
[17:15] <ogra_> bah, switching over to rc-proposed fails :(
[17:16] <davmor2> ogra_: good luck with that then :D
[17:16] <ogra_> well, i guess i'll reflash then :/ sad
[19:54] <studio> hi all
[19:58] <studio> popey, are there still some news about the x-programms working on x-mir?
[20:09] <studio> i need some help to make a new initrd for kernel 3.10.94 for the bq e4.5. can someone help?
[20:29] <dobey> not this again
[21:55] <danjjl> Hello, I believe their is a small mistake in the documentation page of ItemSelector (https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.ListItems.ItemSelector/) where should I file a bug?
[21:56] <danjjl> The mistake is in the example usage of ItemSelector. I believe Toolkit.OptionSelectorDelegate shoudl be replaced by OptionSelectorDelegate
[21:59] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit probably
[22:04] <danjjl> thank you


[11:52] <evilissimo> alexpilotti: are you around? :)
[11:59] <alexpilotti> evilissimo: hey
[12:00] <evilissimo> alexpilotti: I was wondering what's the plan with cloudbase init for windows
[12:00] <alexpilotti> evilissimo: in what sense? :-)
[12:00] <evilissimo> I read somewhere, don't remember where exactly that you might want to get it into cloud-init
[12:01] <alexpilotti> true
[12:01] <evilissimo> is that still the plan?
[12:01] <alexpilotti> sure
[12:01] <alexpilotti> but it's shell of a work
[12:01] <evilissimo> kk, any help needed in that regard?
[12:01] <alexpilotti> *a hell of a
[12:01] <alexpilotti> definitely yes
[12:01] <evilissimo> To put things a bit into perspective
[12:01] <alexpilotti> cloud-init needs to be heavily refactored for that to happen
[12:02] <evilissimo> I am working for Red Hat
[12:02] <alexpilotti> I see
[12:02] <alexpilotti> are you coming to the summit in HK?
[12:02] <evilissimo> No, unfortunately not
[12:03] <evilissimo> Well I am working at the Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization team, and I am mainly responsible for the Windows Guest Agent
[12:03] <evilissimo> which also means oVirt ;)
[12:03] <alexpilotti> that's interesting
[12:03] <evilissimo> So and we are thinking about introducing cloud-init as alternative to sysprep
[12:04] <alexpilotti> we should talk about the status of the virtio drivers :-)
[12:04] <evilissimo> hehe
[12:04] <evilissimo> we can talk about that, if there's anything I can pass along to the devs
[12:04] <alexpilotti> we are currently using a mix of sysprep + cloudinit
[12:05] <alexpilotti> sys prep takes care of generalisation and setting the user name
[12:05] <alexpilotti> cloudbase-init of all the rest
[12:05] <evilissimo> I see
[12:05] <alexpilotti> sorry, s/user/host/
[12:05] <evilissimo> hmm but cloud-init could also set the host name, no?
[12:05] <evilissimo> cloudbase-init ;)
[12:05] <alexpilotti> actually the unattended.xml starts cloudbase-init for that
[12:06] <alexpilotti> it does
[12:06] <alexpilotti> but since setting the host name requires a reboot
[12:06] <alexpilotti> we avoid that by putting that step during generalization
[12:06] <alexpilotti> another thing we are working on is passwordless authentication in Windows
[12:06] <evilissimo> SSO?
[12:07] <alexpilotti> nope
[12:07] <alexpilotti> WSMan + client certs
[12:08] <evilissimo> that's for WMI?
[12:08] <evilissimo> I don't know WSMan
[12:08] <alexpilotti> not only
[12:08] <alexpilotti> Powershell demoting for example
[12:08] <alexpilotti> WSMan == SSH in the Windows world :-)
[12:08] <evilissimo> oh right
[12:08] <alexpilotti> darn autocorrect
[12:09] <evilissimo> lol, I fortunately don't have that :D
[12:09] <alexpilotti> s/demoting/remoting/
[12:09] <evilissimo> yeah I guessed that ;)
[12:09] <alexpilotti> no, but you have: https://github.com/Openwsman/openwsman
[12:10] <evilissimo> oh, I mean autocompletion :)
[12:10] <evilissimo> I don't have auto completion ;)
[12:10] <alexpilotti> lol
[12:10] <alexpilotti> good choice, I think I'll follow the advice
[12:10] <evilissimo> The only autocompletion I use is the nick completion
[12:12] <evilissimo> alexpilotti: so what's the problem with the VirtIO drivers?
[12:13] <alexpilotti> we had some issues with the latest versions
[12:13] <alexpilotti> some blue screens
[12:13] <evilissimo> oh?
[12:14] <evilissimo> I haven't heard about that
[12:14] <alexpilotti> so there's some black magic involved in choosing what version to use for what OS :-)
[12:16] <evilissimo> hmm well since I don't handle the packaging for Windows, I am not really aware of it