[00:00] <JanC> or only large ones but not small ones, etc.
[00:00] <arraybolt3> Your_Dog: sorry, we get a lot of people who just want to stir up trouble so we're automatically suspicious of random youtube links
[00:07] <Your_Dog> nah, it's cool
[00:08] <ale> Hello friends what is your favorite flavor of ubuntu, I like popos :)
[00:10] <leftyfb> ale: popos is not a flavor of ubuntu, it's a derivative. Feel free to discuss further in #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[00:11] <JanC> I think Pop_OS has a channel too? #pop!_os
[00:13] <ale> Thank you for your insight :) I guess xfce is just a derivative too
[00:13] <leftyfb> xfce(xubuntu) is a flavor of ubuntu
[00:14] <ale> oh I get it
[04:28] <webchat59> Hai
[04:30] <webchat59> Need help here
[04:30] <webchat59> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2492352&p=14164595#post14164595
[04:30] <webchat59> Can some one please help me.
[04:33] <uwu_linux_openbs> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[04:33] <uwu_linux_openbs> snaps are slow!
[04:33] <uwu_linux_openbs> :(
[04:39] <webchat59> is every thing allright
[04:44] <toddc> webchat59:   missing snap.yaml searching
[04:45] <webchat59> what i have to to fix these errors
[04:50] <toddc> the yaml should be included with the livepatch snap so I can only assume the issue is with the latest snap I also see several other posting simular issues --file a bug repot
[04:50] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/report-ubuntu-bug.html.en
[04:52] <toddc> some one else here may be able to help more that I in that area
[04:53] <webchat59> Thanks toddc i will do that.
[04:53] <webchat59> Can ypu please have a look into 2nd issue in the link.
[04:53] <webchat59> Waiting for someone else response.
[05:04] <toddc> webchat59: amd ACPI errors relate to power managment in the bios  check for a bios upgrade but should not cause any major issues
[05:09] <webchat59> Thanks toddc for the information.
[07:35] <Uriel_J_Chan> Bendiciones2023
[07:35] <Uriel_J_Chan> Hack The Planet!
[07:37] <Uriel_J_Chan>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ItEmCnP80
[07:49] <OurRoyalGabe> https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/204950294-EdgeRouter-L2TP-IPsec-VPN-Server#2
[07:49] <OurRoyalGabe> I'm about to try to follow the guide
[07:49] <OurRoyalGabe> and see if I get a functional VPN on my ER4
[07:49] <OurRoyalGabe> oops
[07:49] <OurRoyalGabe> one letter off here on the channel
[08:05] <P1ro> Hi, im trying to figure what i think its a IPtabels issue, on dmsg i got logged that iptables its dropping pings and evertyhing, i try to flush the iptables and still nothing, tcpdump show IN data but not out, im opne to sugestions
[09:12] <zzarr> Hello! I'm trying to get an headless script to work, but when I run apt (tested with apt-get as well) I always get the "Configuration file" question for a package, I pass this flags/options to apt -yq -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confdef
[09:13] <zzarr> I forgot, I do run this line before apt "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive"
[09:17] <toddc> zzarr: normally ubuntu has a yes no or compare option you may want to check with debian as it may be different option
[09:20] <zzarr> toddc, I see, so there might be a config to disable the check I guess
[09:22] <toddc> zzarr: or a complete rewording of options tho I usuall do not recommend a force command it can break things
[09:24] <zzarr> toddc, I understand, but in this case the particular package that asks can not use the default config and it must be headless
[09:25] <toddc> zzarr: more details would help but there are a lot of changes between the distos so we could make it worse plus we would not be able to try to duplicate with certainty
[09:26] <zzarr> toddc, I think I might have found a solution, installing the package first, then overwriting the config file
[09:28] <toddc> good luck
[09:28] <zzarr> thanks
[09:36] <StucKman> I'm on jammy. what systemd service/package do I need to install so ssh-agent is run on my DE session?
[09:37] <StucKman> I search for ssh-agent in packages.u.c and it only finds the binary and a completion file for bash and for a shell called yash: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ssh-add&mode=exactfilename&suite=kinetic&arch=any
[09:37] <toddc> StucKman: server or client ? sudo apt install openssh-server
[09:38] <toddc> StucKman: client should be in network manager gui  assuming Gnome
[09:39] <StucKman> (k)ubuntu desktop
[09:39] <StucKman> network manager?
[09:39] <toddc> one sec
[09:40] <StucKman> notice I mentiones ssh-agent, not sshd or ssh
[09:43] <toddc> StucKman: I wanted to verify same just uses keys this guide should help https://linuxhint.com/ssh-agent-ubuntu/
[09:46] <toddc> StucKman: ssh can be run client side gui in Remmina ignor the network manger
[09:52] <jcdutton> Hi. Is anyone having problems upgrading to mantic ?
[09:52] <jcdutton> It's failing here with: KeyError: "The cache has no package named 'ubuntu-minimal'"
[10:32] <mizuki> hi all guys. what is this text? こんにちは。これは何ですか？
[10:32] <SwedeMike> mizuki: UTF-8 worked correctly if that's what you're asking
[10:33] <mizuki> where is here?
[10:33] <SwedeMike> the Internet is everywhere
[10:36] <mizuki> I asked Google what IRC is.
[10:36] <jeremy31> ICR
[10:37] <mizuki> I have a general understanding of what IRC is.
[10:38] <CosmicDJ> well you're IRC'ing right now...
[10:38] <BedMan> :-o
[10:39] <BedMan> is there a definition of IRC like gnu?  Gnu is Not Unix :-p
[10:39]  * BedMan likes recursion
[10:40] <CosmicDJ> fail: goto fail
[10:40] <BedMan> heh CosmicDJ :)
[10:40] <mizuki> I'm Japanese and rely on Google's translator.
[10:40] <gordonjcp> BedMan: no, but the "B" in "Benoit B Mandelbrot" stands for "Benoit B Mandelbrot"
[10:40] <BedMan> 10 goto 10 <-- basic is older-school than C
[10:41] <BedMan> gordonjcp: Lol
[10:41] <BedMan> good one.
[10:41] <CosmicDJ> mizuki: there's a #ubuntu-jp channel, too according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[10:43] <mizuki> >>CosmicDJ  Thx! I'll try that!
[10:47] <StucKman> toddc: the first phrase of that link says: "ssh-agent is configured to execute on Ubuntu automatically" it's not my case, so I'm asking how to hook it to the session startup
[10:49] <ogra> usually gnome-keyring-daemon does that for you
[10:50] <ogra> (IIRC ... has been i while i had to tinker with dekstop stuff)
[10:50] <StucKman> hmm, ok, I'm on KDE instead...
[10:50] <ogra> i'm sure there is some KDE equivalent
[10:50] <ogra> (havent used KDE since 1.2 ...)
[10:51] <StucKman> TBH, I think it works on my debian machine, but I can't access it right now (itś at home).
[10:53] <ogra> google says the KDE equivalent is called kwallet ... so i'd dig in that direction
[10:54] <StucKman> yeah
[10:54] <StucKman> but I heard it's launched as a systemd service
[10:54] <ogra> gnome-keyring too usually ... (as a user-session systemd service)
[10:54] <StucKman> does _anyone_ have ssh-agent running on the DE? ps faux should tell you who launched it
[11:27] <jcdutton> Has anyone upgraded to mantic ?
[11:28] <tomreyn> most likely. and most likely that's not the question you were looking for an answer for.
[11:37] <Fossil> Weird question maybe but I am trying to delete a bunch of large >30GB files from a machine that has a very busy IO system. Therefore deleting takes ages. I Googled a lot and cannot find it so maybe it's impossible. But I was wondering if there was a way to just delete the entry for a file from the filesystem file table. Effectively not deleting it physically but the OS would think the space is free?
[11:38] <Fossil> This is EXT4 by the way. Also wondering if a diff filesystem might be better.
[11:38] <CosmicDJ> Fossil: how are you deleting the file? unless you use srm or smth else that's what rm already does
[11:38] <Fossil> CosmicDJ Yeah just rm. But I am wondering why it takes so long then if it just wipes the entry in the hash table.
[11:40] <CosmicDJ> modern filesystems are a bit more complex than a hash table... but I get why you're wondering
[11:45] <Fossil> Ah I guess it unlinks the blocks. Large file = more blocks = slower.
[11:45] <Fossil> Might have to tinker with block size
[12:44] <jcdutton> tomreyn, I am asking, because the upgrade procedure is not working for me.  So wishing to gauge how many other people are having problems.
[12:46] <jcdutton> Fossil, you can set priority on disk operations.  So you could prioritise you delete of 30G files over whatever else it is doing
[12:47] <Fossil> jcdutton with nice?
[12:47] <Fossil> ionice
[12:47] <jcdutton> yes
[12:48] <jcdutton> ionice
[12:49] <jcdutton> Fossil, you can also move filename to different folders on the same fs, and that is a zero-copy operation.  So you could move the files out of the way initially, and then proper delete them later
[12:49] <Fossil> Thanks
[12:51] <jcdutton> Fossil, another thing that is slow on ext4 is if the sheer quantity of filenames in one folder is large, it makes things slow.
[12:55] <Fossil> Okok. I will try and experiment when this workload is done. Might try XFS, ZFS, whatever too
[12:59] <jcdutton> Fossil, I think all filesystems suffer when too many files are in the same folder.  So moving to another FS is probably not the answer. The solution is changing the program to shift folders based on time and such like
[13:01] <Fossil> There are only 400 files now. But all large files
[13:13] <jcdutton> Fossil, a good way to tell if you have too many files in the folder is to do an "ls -l" and if it takes way too long, you have too many files there.
[13:14] <Fossil> jcdutton Its fast, but slow when the machine has a lot of files open and it processing a lot of files
[13:25] <jcdutton> Fossil, What sort of storage is it?  HDD or SDD or NVME ?  Moving to NVME will reduce a lot of the IO load as it will raise the IO headroom considerably.
[13:26] <Fossil> HDD RAID10 behind a HP Raid controller
[13:27] <Fossil> It's a 20TB pool, getting that with NVME will be costly :-)
[13:28] <jcdutton> NVME is not as costly as it once was. SSD will also be considerably better than HDD as the seek time latency is what is probably causing your perceived latency.
[13:29] <centHOGG> massive storage > hdd (mechanical)
[13:30] <gordonjcp> NVME is so cheap these days
[13:30] <gordonjcp> I guess in theory an NVME would be cheaper, there's less to it
[13:42] <jcdutton> Fossil, something like this, filled with NVME disks should be reasonable:  https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/2029/SYS-2029U-TN24R4T.cfm
[13:44] <jcdutton> Fossil, about $500 per 7TB disk.
[13:46] <jj_> Does anybody dual boot Windows + Ubuntu? If so, do you have a method of encrypting contents on the Ubuntu side? I have Bitlocker on the Windows side, but I didn't see, or missed, an option to encrypt my home folder on the Ubuntu side. Can I do that after the fact, or apply something to specific files or folders?
[13:48] <CosmicDJ> jj_: I'm thinking about using fscrypt + pam to encrypt my homedir (which is on an EXT4 fs)...
[13:49] <SwedeMike> jj_: https://jumpcloud.com/blog/how-to-encrypt-ubuntu-20-04-desktop-post-installation is one way
[13:50] <jj_> thanks!
[13:55] <jcdutton> jj_, backup all your data before encrypting it
[13:58] <ioria> sy to inform ladies and gents that ecryptfs-utils is highly deprecated
[14:20] <de-facto> why does gnome shell disable all extensions by itself?
[14:20] <de-facto> how can i prevent it from doing that?
[14:53] <StucKman> i finally found out: I was running gdm3 instead of sddm, so the whole Xsession infra seems to be ignored. I could confirm, but I would have to logout twice :-P
[14:58] <BinarySavior> hello, an application is attempting to open a web browser and failing
[14:58] <BinarySavior> it is running on an appimage
[14:59] <BinarySavior> is there anything obvious to do with the ubuntu permissions to allow this application to open a web browser?
[15:18] <de-facto> for developing wsgi with apache2 on an ubuntu host, how should the perms be for the python venv files?
[15:19] <de-facto> i guess (not sure) the apache2 runs as www-data in group www-data, also its python stuff?
[15:19] <de-facto> does that mean that all files should be owned by www-data:www-data and the webdev users join the www-data group?
[15:20] <de-facto> right now the files are owned by root but given rw to everyone, which most likely is wrong
[15:22] <de-facto> alternatively i probably also could create a new group webdev and join all developers and www-data to it then own the whole tree to www-data: webdev
[15:22] <de-facto> not sure, which approach is best?
[15:22] <de-facto> or rather: is there already a pre-defined way to grant web developing users access in ubuntu?
[15:45] <ifrit> Hi!
[15:45] <ifrit> I was trying to set Plex and found this instructions to allow Plex user to access certain folders https://www.linuxcapable.com/install-plex-media-server-on-ubuntu-linux/#Configure-Media-Files-Folders-Permissions-with-Plex-Media-Server-on-Ubuntu
[15:45] <ifrit> So I wrote:
[15:45] <ifrit> sudo chown -R plex:plex /home/
[15:45] <ifrit> But the process was taking to long and I kill it. And after I wrote:
[15:45] <ifrit> sudo chown -R plex:plex /home/myuserfolder/Videos
[15:45] <ifrit> And when I restarted my user is like I've just installed Ubuntu 23.04 √°°✓
[15:45] <ifrit> I've lost all my settings? Anything I can do? How I can backup the next time to prevent something like this? (or maybe to migrate account to a new installation...)
[16:33] <Bardon> Hello, I would like to extend a partition that is used as a pv in lvm. Can I do that? Gparted refuses to do it
[16:33] <Bardon> I need to "deactivate" the partition first, but I don't know what it means
[16:34] <leftyfb> Bardon: https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/resize-lvm-simple
[16:35] <leftyfb> Bardon: https://networklessons.com/uncategorized/extend-lvm-partition
[16:35] <leftyfb> Bardon: 1st and 2nd result on google for "lvm extend partition"
[16:35] <Bardon> leftyfb: I am not sure that link applies here. my disk /dev/sda has one partition sda1 and a lot of unallocated space. sda1 is used as a pv, and I'd like to extend the size that pv can use
[16:36] <Bardon> I do not want to extend a lv, which I believe your (first) link explains how to do
[16:36] <Bardon> but maybe I missed something
[16:37] <Bardon> I could very well make a second partition on my disk, using all the unallocated space, then create a new pv, add it to the same vg, then extend my lv
[16:38] <Bardon> but I don't think it makes sense in my case to have two pv in two partitions of the same disk, being used in the same lv, so I'd like to avoid it
[16:38] <leftyfb> Bardon: do you need to resize the volume or the partition?
[16:38] <Bardon> the partition used by the pv
[16:38] <Bardon> I'd like to extend /dev/sda1 to use all the space in my disk
[16:38] <Bardon> and my pv uses /dev/sda1 at the moment
[16:38] <leftyfb> Bardon: then use resize2fs
[16:39] <Bardon> but that space is unallocated
[16:39] <Bardon> resize2fs would extend my filesystem to use all the space available in my lv, right?
[16:39] <leftyfb> Bardon: sudo resize2fs /dev/sda1
[16:39] <Bardon> I'd like /dev/sda1 to use all the space available in /dev/sda, which at the moment is split between sda1 and unallocated storage
[16:39] <Bardon> ok ill try that
[16:40] <Bardon> it says that ressource is being used
[16:40] <Bardon> and it can't find a valid superblock
[16:40] <Bardon> which makes sense because sda1 is a pv, used un my lv (which is unmounted)
[16:41] <leftyfb> Bardon: why do you even have lvm setup on a single drive?
[16:42] <Bardon> because it makes resizing partitions (lvs) in this case easier
[16:42] <Bardon> and I can add a second drive more easily later if needed
[16:42] <Habbie> i use lvm on all my single drives
[16:42] <leftyfb> Habbie: I also do, but only for FDE
[16:43] <Bardon> What does "deactivate" a partition means in gparted?
[16:43] <Bardon> It seems I need to do that before I can resize it
[16:44] <leftyfb> Habbie: I guess I don't understand your setup if neither resize2fs nor lvextend applies
[16:44] <leftyfb> Bardon: I guess I don't understand your setup if neither resize2fs nor lvextend applies
[16:44] <Habbie> i don't understand the setup either
[16:44] <Habbie> Bardon, can we see 'lsblk' in a pastebin please?
[16:45] <Bardon> I have one drive sda, which has one partition sda1 and a lot of unallocated storage. sda1 is set up as a pv. I would like sda1 to span the whole disk
[16:46] <leftyfb> Bardon: lsblk -o +type -e7 -f | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:46] <Habbie> nice
[16:47] <Bardon> that computer is currently booted on a liveusb and doesn't have internet access, give me a minute
[16:48] <leftyfb> then how was the partition in use?
[16:51] <Bardon> It is used to store some user data, while the rest was used by Windows. I have just removed the windows partition, which is now unallocated space, and I'd like to install Ubuntu there
[17:13] <peirik> Just upgraded to 23.10 and now my Super+<arrow> function (move window position) seems to have changed. Now, everytime I move a window to the left or right I'm prompted to select a new window for the opposite side of the screen. This is very annoying. Anyone know how I can change it back to just moving the initial window without being prompted?
[17:26] <rfm> peirik, try turning off "Advanced Tiling" in Settings->Ubuntu Desktop
[17:29] <peirik> rfm: many thanks! that fixed it 👍
[17:29] <ayush> hey
[17:39] <dominic_> Was das
[18:01] <Guest93> Is there some way to "mask" a package from being installed (or preferably a glob of packages) and have apt throw a fit if a different package of similar purpose is flagged for removal?
[18:02] <Guest93> The context is "something keeps replacing the upstream NVIDIA drivers with the Ubuntu repository ones that don't yet support my hardware properly, and I need that to stop"
[18:02] <leftyfb> !pin | Guest93
[18:05] <Guest93> leftyfb: is a version required to be specified or is it safe to simply define the package name? The NVIDIA repository names their driver package differently from Ubuntu's main repository, and I mostly just need >= 535
[18:08] <sakawtullah> jhj
[18:56] <mvanorde> I'm having trouble with gnome extensions on Ubuntu 22.04.  I can't enable/disable any extensions from the gnome-extensions gui(all switches are grayed out).  And from the CLI I can only enable/disable the ones that came pre-installed and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:57] <mvanorde> There doesn't seem to be any errors or logs of any sort that I can find indicating why nothing works.  I can run `gnome-extensions enable <extension name>` then `gnome-extensions list --enabled` but nothing changes and no errors
[19:00] <mvanorde> Even tried moving extensions from ~/.local/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ to /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ then restarting, after which the extension shows up in the "Built-in" list in the gui, but still won't enable
[19:00] <Maik> mvanorde did you log out and in again after installing the Extensions manager?
[19:00] <mvanorde> yes, even tried rebooting
[19:00] <Maik> weird
[19:03] <mvanorde> Even the extensions installed from gnome-shell-extensions package won't enable
[19:04] <arraybolt3> mvanorde: Do you own this machine? I notice a Citrix thingy and am wondering if perhaps you're using a machine managed by your organization.
[19:04] <arraybolt3> If so, perhaps your workplace has disabled your ability to change certain extensions.
[19:07] <mvanorde> It's a work laptop, but AFIK the level of management is only ensuring certain packages and VPN settings are installed
[19:08] <arraybolt3> I'd check with them anyway. It is possible to restrict how a user can change their GNOME Shell extensions, so if the machine isn't letting you change those settings, then it's fairly likely they've locked them.
[19:08] <mvanorde> I even tried enabling extensions via dconf editor.  I'm unable to change the /org/gnome/shell/enabled-extensions setting though.  It just resets to the saved default<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:09] <arraybolt3> (like, the ability to lock those settings is a feature of GNOME.)
[19:09] <leftyfb> that's more than likely an admin system
[19:13] <mvanorde> Didn't know that was a thing.  A quick google search and I was able to update the list of extensions with sudo :)
[19:13] <mvanorde> Thanks
[19:14] <arraybolt3> nice
[19:15] <arraybolt3> hmph, lotta good it does to "manage" a system only to let the user have sudo access to it XD perhaps they should have just given you a vanilla system and told you how to set it up
[19:15] <arraybolt3> but anyway, I'm going off topic
[19:17] <mbosner> hello - i wanted to ask if anyone can give me information about the current mainline kernel builds or knows why there are currently no new ones?
[19:18] <arraybolt3> Infrastructure problems resulted in the builds no longer being done.
[19:19] <arraybolt3> no eta for a fix
[19:19] <mbosner> but they will? thank you for the update.
[20:53] <Bardon> leftyfb: Habbie: My problem was solved by using parted to create a partition at the beginning of the disk, then pvcreate to create a new pv, then vgextend to add it to the same vg as my other pv, then pvmove to move the data to the new pv, vgreduce to remove the old pv from the vg, pvremove to remove the pv, parted to extend the disk partition which the new pv uses finally pvresize so that the new
[20:53] <Bardon> pv spans the whole partition :)
[21:00] <Bardon> I have another question.. I am trying to install Ubuntu 23.10 from a liveUSB, on a laptop that has two lvs: one that I want to use as /home and the other one as /. If I choose a manual partitioning, those lvs don't show up
[21:00] <p0d> I was having some problems with realvnc so I disabled wayland and installed a dummy graphics driver. This fixed my vnc issues. I now boot to a black screen because of the change. Why does ctl+alt+f1 not take me to a console on Ubuntu 22.04
[21:00] <Bardon> Does the installer support lvm?
[21:07] <majuscule> How can I install a later package version on a specific version of ubuntu? I need libpqxx=7.8 on ubuntu 22.04 for use on github actions, which is only packages for noble. is it possible to add the upstream repositories for installation?
[21:07] <majuscule> libpqxx-dev*
[21:07] <leftyfb> majuscule: that's not supported
[21:12] <Bardon> Why do lvm partitions don't appear in the installer?
[21:13] <Bardon> not appear*
[21:27] <arraybolt3> p0d: Ctrl+Alt+f1 is probably intended to take you to a GDM screen. Try Ctrl+Alt+f3 to get a console.
[22:59] <lmat> I do   ip link add link bond0 name bond0.1000 type vlan id 1000;  then ip addr shows a link called bond0.1000@bond0. Where does this "@bond0" at the end come from? I was doing this on the same machine a week or two ago and that wasn't there.
[22:59] <lmat> Then when I ip addr add <IP_ADDRESS>/30 dev bond0.1000;, I get "Cannot find device "bond0.1000"" !
[23:01] <lmat> I have this stuff in /etc/network/interfaces, and when I    ip route, I see   x.y.w.z  via <IP_ADDRESS> dev bond0.1000;   and it looks like they're not working. It seems like they wouldn't work because the bond0.1000 device got renamed to bond0.1000@bond0!
[23:02] <ak> hello
[23:16] <Mrpanda> hi guys,   my firefox wont run and it needs not to be there so i can re-install it. how can i delete firefox ?
[23:18] <ravage> Mrpanda: try to delete ~/snap/firefox first
[23:18] <ravage> if that does not help: sudo snap remove --purge firefox; sudo snap install firefox
[23:19] <Mrpanda> it got zapped by an unfrebly website
[23:19] <ravage> the first command deletes all user data of firefox
[23:19] <ravage> so that should fix it then
[23:19] <Mrpanda>  tried to start but abandons it
[23:25] <Mrpanda> wont accept that.. can you type exactly what i need to type please
[23:25] <Mrpanda> -/snap/firefox
[23:27] <EriC^^> Mrpanda: ~/snap/firefox not -/snap/firefox
[23:27] <EriC^^> or "rm -r $HOME/snap/firefox"
[23:34] <Mrpanda> it says its a directory... should i delete the directory ?
[23:34] <maxtim> Yo, I just installed KDE. I'm wondering if there's a way to run a terminal command from a custom keyboard shortcut? Like meta+print = flameshot gui (not just the application Flameshot)
[23:46] <Your_Dog> maxtim: I suggest to go to #kubuntu, that's the official irc channel for kubuntu distro flavor
[23:46] <Your_Dog> but to answer your question, yes: https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/kmenuedit/kmenuedit/kmenuedit.pdf
[23:47] <maxtim> thanks, dog. I was just stabbing at it. Thanks for the manual...
[23:51] <Your_Dog> maxtim: you could also try this out too, seems straightforward enough: https://www.joe0.com/2019/02/15/how-to-take-screenshots-using-flameshot-in-kde-plasma-desktop-ubuntu-18-10-and-associate-it-with-the-print-prt-sc-keyboard-shortcut/
[23:51] <maxtim> Your_Dog: I actually already got it from that manual
[23:51] <Your_Dog> that replaces spectacle with flameshot
[23:52] <maxtim> It wasn't that difficult
[23:52] <Your_Dog> when you press the print screen
[23:53] <Your_Dog> I'm guessing you want to replace spectacle with flameshot right? considering there is no need for flameshot since spectacle is part of KDE unless you prefer flameshot for whatever reason
[23:55] <maxtim> Your_Dog: it's better, imho. Or I'm just used it... probably more that I'm just used to it...
[23:55] <Guest19> heyoo


[14:18] <elopio> jfunk: when do you want to meet today to catch up with what we are doing here?
[14:19] <jfunk> can do right after the refinement meeting
[14:19] <jfunk> in 40
[14:19] <jfunk> elopio: ^
[14:19] <elopio> jfunk: I will be in the training.
[14:20] <jfunk> elopio: ok, put something on my cal
[14:20] <jfunk> can do it tmw too
[14:39] <artmello> hey, we are facing some issues with AP tests for gallery-app. We are proposing an MR to sort that out but we would like someone from qa to review it first
[14:39] <artmello> since a couple of them seem to be unreliable after all
[14:43] <artmello> ping ubuntu-qa
[14:43] <fgimenez> artmello, you can add canonical-platform-qa as reviewer
[14:44] <artmello> fgimenez: ok, thx
[15:16] <elopio> fgimenez: can you take care of the review as one of the vanguard task? Or will it take more time than that?
[15:19] <fgimenez> elopio, yes, i'm setting up the branch for testing, i'll ping the vanguard if i don't finish with it before my eod
[15:19] <elopio> cool, thanks.
[16:46] <balloons> elopio, I'd like to talk about documenting the various autopilot helpers for system services on touch. Things like location, online services, accounts,  etc. I know there has been a good amount of work on making these less painful.
[17:11] <elopio> balloons: right, we need to talk. There are not many yet, but there will be.
[17:11] <elopio> balloons: can you schedule a meeting next week?
[17:14] <balloons> elopio, sure. I'll invite you and feel free to pass it along to whomever else
[17:15] <elopio> ok
[22:23] <elopio> veebers: did you check if the test was skipped?
[22:23] <elopio> I think dobey mentioned about a testtools bug that would run the tests even if the class had the skip annotation.
[22:24] <veebers> elopio: I tested with a dummy test locally to make sure decorating the class worked (it did for me).
[22:24] <veebers> I'm pretty confident that it skips the test when I run it, I'll double check though
[22:24] <elopio> veebers: ok. I prefer your version.
[22:24] <elopio> I told brendand to raise the exception, and he didn't fully agree with that.
[22:26] <brendand> elopio, :)
[22:26] <elopio> brendand: please review veebers' branch tomorrow, to see if you like it too.
[22:27] <elopio> veebers: 8+    """Return if the sim in the provided slot number is locked.
[22:27] <elopio> I think that should be: Return True if...
[22:27] <veebers> Right, I raise an exception because the method returns bool if the passed sim is locked or not, if the sim is not there that is an exception to the 'locked' or 'unlocked' states
[22:27] <veebers> elopio: good catch, will fix
[22:31] <veebers> elopio: to recap, you mentioned in the standup that you spoke w/ federico re: what was required for the 'click not visible dash item'? Specifically there is more to add to the link MP.
[22:31] <elopio> veebers: yes, I already updated the mp
[22:31] <elopio> and left a comment about updating it to use grid units.
[22:34] <veebers> elopio: ah cool thanks
[22:37] <veebers> elopio: does it need the method 'swipe_to_top' added?
[22:37] <veebers> or am I being dumb and it's already there
[22:37] <elopio> veebers: it's not already there, but it's not related to the non-visible item
[22:37] <elopio> so I would prefer it to come as part of the MPs that the unity team will do.
[22:38] <elopio> veebers: that swipe to top is for the uninstall test.
[22:38] <veebers> elopio: so that means that we can't remove GenericScopeView from the sanity suite as it still has functionality that we require that's not upstream?
[22:38] <elopio> veebers: that's right.
[22:38] <elopio> or if you prefer, I can make a quick MP for only swipe_to_top.
[22:39] <veebers> elopio, brendand: ^^ so in a nutshell we can't remove the odd inheritence because we're not putting everything upstream
[22:39] <veebers> elopio: I see that we also have 'click_scope_item' in GenericScopeView too :-)
[22:40] <brendand> elopio, veebers - hmmm did we forget a helper??
[22:44] <veebers> brendand: I'm hoping to clarify. To get rid of the inheritance we have for the ClickScope, everything in dash.GenericScopeView needs to be upstream. Currently we don't have an MP that includes it all (or a collection of MPs that do that)
[22:45] <brendand> veebers, do we know what's missing? is it just one function?
[22:47] <veebers> There are 3 methods we've touched. open_preview is sorted (thanks to elopio) click_scope_item and swipe_to_top remain. elopio has suggested to make MPs for one of those 2, perhaps another for the last
[22:50] <veebers> brendand: ultimately the MP for 'remove the inheritence from sanity suite' is pretty straight forward, assuming the push upstream happens
[22:53] <brendand> veebers, something that's playing on my mind now, is that i've just noticed that the method 'go_to_store' is not in the GenericScopeView in ubuntu_sanity_tests, which means it already is upstream
[22:53] <brendand> veebers, so maybe these issues had nothing to do with inheritance at all? or am i missing something?
[23:02] <veebers> brendand: the inheritance issue we see is due to unityclickscope.ClickScope inheriting from (upstream) ClickScope and (sanity suite) GenericScopeView. If we update the upstream GenericScopeView then there is no need for our ones and the multi-inheritance goes away
[23:03] <brendand> veebers, ah so it's only multiple inheritance that causes a problem. i missed that detail
[23:15] <veebers> ah right, yeah :-)


[00:20] <ma10> if i have a bug filed against a package, which is fixed in intrepid but still in hardy, should i mark it fix released?
[00:22] <bdrung> ma10: yes
[00:22] <ma10> thanks
[00:22] <bdrung> if you want it to be fixed in hardy to, please "nominate for release"
[00:26] <bdrung> bdmurray: ping
[00:27] <bdmurray> bdrung: pong
[00:28]  * LimCore fires decoys and goes to 300 m
[00:28] <bdrung> bdrung: any progress in my request to join Ubuntu Bug Control?
[00:29] <bdrung> bdmurray: is there something to do for me or do i still have to wait?
[00:29] <bdrung> bdrung and bdmurray both starts with bd. ;)
[00:31] <bdmurray> bdrung: no, it's going well.  we allow a one week period for the review process
[00:34] <hggdh> bdmurray, ping
[00:34] <bdmurray> I'm still here ;)
[00:34] <hggdh> :-)
[00:34] <hggdh> so are you in sync with what laserjock was saying re. sync?
[00:36] <bdmurray> I'm not sure what you mean by 'in sync'
[00:37] <bdrung> bdmurray: thanks.
[00:37] <hggdh> do you agree with his position?
[00:37] <bcurtis> are there still bugs with intrepid starting in low graphics mode?
[00:37] <bcurtis> mine still does, im j/w if thats ok
[00:38] <bdmurray> I'm still thinking about it
[00:38] <hggdh> thanks ;-)
[00:39] <hggdh> this is what I did not like about the whole shebang -- it completely disregards standard practice
[00:40] <hggdh> and this is why I was trying to document it -- at least we would be stating what to do
[03:59] <shane2peru> I have a real bug concern about bug 221316
[04:00] <persia> shane2peru: What is the concern?
[04:00] <shane2peru> it shows that a fix has been released, but where is it?
[04:00] <shane2peru> am I reading that correctly, Fix released?
[04:00] <shane2peru> I have the i855GM and have recently installed, and have some serious lockup issues on log out, shutdown, and restart
[04:01] <shane2peru> I am all up to date too.
[04:02] <shane2peru> I did hack my xorg to use the i810 driver and that has fixed my issue, but someone in the bug report told me it was fixed, and that is odd, because as of yesterday I have yet to have the issue fixed with that driver enabled.
[04:03] <persia> Hmm.  Hard to say.  You might try hunting for the person who marked it Fix Released here, and trying to understand what was supposed to have fixed it.
[04:04] <shane2peru> persia: does it show in the bug report who marked it fixed?
[04:06] <shane2peru> persia: I have figured out enough to file bug reports, but I'm not that good at working on the bug stuff, I want to help get it resolved correctly though.
[04:06] <shane2peru> and do my part as a user to let the problem be known and provide all the info I can.
[04:07] <persia> shane2peru: There's a comment by someone saying they are marking it Fix Released.
[04:07] <persia> If you open that person's page (click their name), you may find their IRC nick.
[04:07] <persia> Also, at the top right, there is a link "Activity Log" which shows some of the changes to the bug, and may help where such a comment isn't present.
[04:08] <shane2peru> ok, checking it out now.
[04:13] <shane2peru> persia: hmm, seems as though unggnu closed it, and I have no idea who he is. :)  Clicking on the name only shows me all the bugs that are assigened to him.
[04:16] <persia> shane2peru: Click on "Overview" to see the IRC nick.
[04:17] <persia> Also note that it's 5:18am in Europe/Berlin, so this might not be the best time to make contact on IRC.
[04:18] <shane2peru> persia: ha ha, right, it is getting late for me here, I can't believe I didn't see that overview tab!
[04:19] <shane2peru> ok, I'll try again later, thanks persia.
[04:19] <persia> shane2peru: Another thing to note is the team memberships (especially in moderated teams).  unggnu is likely fairly knowledgeable about this bug, and can probable explain in some detail.
[04:20] <shane2peru> persia: right, I need to re-look at the bug too, it seems that people were having problems with video playback as well, my issue is logging out and in, and shutting down, although the same results happens, balckscreen with no response at all.
[04:21] <shane2peru> thanks again persia.
[04:21] <shane2peru> cya
[04:21] <persia> Right, that may well be a different bug.  We try to keep each bug to a single test case, to ease solution, although sometimes a solution will solve several bugs.
[04:21] <persia> Have a good night.
[04:21] <shane2peru> you too.
[05:21] <mrooney> Oh boy I finally installed Intrepid A4, lots of bugs to report...
[05:22] <mrooney> Interestingly enough I am not finding dups of any of them...
[05:35] <mrooney> Which is the correct package for the migration dialog during install?
[06:04] <dholbach> good morning
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> hi Hobbsee
[07:05] <ma10> does misc bug management as marking duplicates, invalidating or closing with fix released count for the application to bug control?
[07:07] <techno_freak> ma10, if you think it comes under your "5 best triages" ;)
[07:08] <ma10> techno_freak: lol, ok i'll do some real work.. :) the fact is that i'm more busy with packaging
[07:09] <techno_freak> ma10, naah, marking duplicates really helps, provided it was indeed duplicates ;)
[07:11] <ma10> techno_freak: of course they are.. i think launchpad is so cluttered that priority n.1 should be reducing the bug count
[07:13] <techno_freak> ma10, true
[08:33] <nullack> Folks some testers on Intrepid have done a good job diagnosing problems with gnome menus in the GUI, including some videos showing the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=893782&page=3
[08:34] <nullack> Id like to know please, is this an upstream issue? No relevant patches for Debian/Ubuntu?
[08:35] <nullack> The problem is being replicated and it was not in hardy
[08:37] <nullack> ping seb128:  Folks some testers on Intrepid have done a good job diagnosing problems with gnome menus in the GUI, including some videos showing the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=893782&page=3
[08:37] <nullack> Id like to know please, is this an upstream issue? No relevant patches for Debian/Ubuntu?
[08:37] <elmargol> nullack, yes yes yes... downloading the movie
[08:38] <nullack> seb128: I think its upstream just looking for you to confirm for buzilla please
[08:38] <seb128> nullack: hi, yes it's an upstream issue
[08:39] <nullack> seb128: ty, will report there
[09:14] <ma10> if i'm reporting upstream, can I copy-paste the original description (crediting the author) or is this some kind of copyright problem?
[09:16] <nullack> ma10: Ive routinely seen upstream copy the original report so theres precedent
[09:16] <ma10> ok thanks
[09:16] <gnomefreak> ma10: i dont think its an issue but its ok to just add upstream to LP bug
[09:22] <techno_freak> ma10, you need not credit the orig author, IIRC, just use the same description and give a link of the bug your are referring in launchpad
[09:39] <hubuntu> asac I have a weird bug in intrepid: nm-applet is not visible (the process runs, but I can't see it). Have you heard of this bug?
[09:41] <hubuntu> the same is true of the xchat icon in the right upper corner... I have the feeling this has something to do with a certain applet in gnome, rather than the apps...
[09:44] <nullack> hubuntu: Strange, I dont replicate that
[09:51] <nullack> hubuntu: Just wondering - is your panel setup and theme default?
[09:55] <seb128> hubuntu: do you have a notification area in your gnome-panel?
[10:12] <hubuntu> seb128, nullack : yes, my upper panel setup and theme are the intrepid default (dark theme). The notification area seems to be there, although I'm not sure. The exit, change user, sound and date applets are there.
[10:13] <hubuntu> ok seb128, you were right. The notification area seems to have evaporated
[10:13] <hubuntu> but I'm 100% sure I didn't remove it
[10:14] <seb128> it's one click away, easy to remove by mistake
[10:14] <seb128> how can you be sure?
[10:14] <hubuntu> because I know what I do. I got a series of crashes (jockey, gvfs and some other) after an update and gone it was
[10:15] <hubuntu> but again... It could have been my mistake (never experienced it though)
[10:15] <seb128> when an applet crash you get a dialog which asks if you want to reload it or not, maybe it stole the focus while you were typing and you hit a key which said to not reload?
[10:16] <hubuntu> that's likely, I got many apport windows up in my face and was in the middle of a server setup, so yeah, it could have happened
[10:16] <hubuntu> anyway, thank you very much :)
[10:16] <hubuntu> now, I have a question about 5-a-day
[10:17] <hubuntu> is it about fixing 5 bugs a day or just merely reporting, triaging them?
[10:17] <hubuntu> I'm not a developer you see
[10:17] <hubuntu> but I want to write a guide for the Spanish speaking community on the subject
[10:18] <seb128> hubuntu: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548594, triaging is good
[10:18] <seb128> ups
[10:19] <seb128> hubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day
[10:21] <hubuntu> I'll give it a shot again and see what happens... :)
[10:21] <hubuntu> thx seb128
[10:21] <seb128> cool, you're welcome
[10:47] <bliZZardz> persia,bdmurray : Hello ...long time since been here!!!
[10:55] <bdrung> hubuntu: 5-a-day is about working on 5 bugs a day. confirming, triagig or fixing; all helps.
[11:05] <asac> hubuntu: if nm-applet is running, but not visible it usually means that NetworkManager daemon is not running
[11:05] <asac> hubuntu: try to restart it
[11:15] <hubuntu> I did asac, killed it and run it again and now it's fine
[11:15] <hubuntu> thx
[11:31] <james_w> hey seb128, I'm seeing several bugs similar to bug 196724, have you seen anything like this before
[11:31] <james_w> similar as in SIGSEGV in g_str_hash in g_hash_table_remove_internal
[11:38] <seb128> james_w: no, but that would rather be a question for pitti
[11:39] <james_w> seb128: yeah, I just wondered if crashes in g_hash_table was something you ran in to from time to time, or consolekit is doing something very wrong
[11:39] <seb128> could be several reasons, for example trying to access something which has already been freed
[11:39] <seb128> random corruption
[11:39] <seb128> etc
[11:42] <ara> sound-juicer used to be in the default installation of ubuntu. When installing intrepid (alpha-4) sound-juicer is not installed by default and needs to be installed manually. Is this a bug or a feature?
[11:44] <seb128> ara: that's a feature, we decided to use rhythmbox for that now
[11:45] <ara> seb128: thanks :-)
[11:45] <seb128> you're welcome ;-)
[12:43] <mrooney> whoa, no aptitude by default in Intrepid? how interesting!
[12:47] <hubuntu> you kidding me mrooney?
[12:47] <hubuntu> in the server edition that is, or in the desktop?
[12:48] <seb128> why would aptitude be installed?
[14:15] <nullack> ping tseliot : Apologies in advance if youve already seen this but just in case some info from the NVidia devs on configuring the new Nvidia driver http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[14:21] <tseliot> nullack: thanks for the link. BTW the new NVIDIA driver was uploaded today at 02:14:17 PM UTC+1
[14:21] <nullack> Mucho gracious :)
[15:23] <Hew> Is bug 257317 a dupe of bug 256972?
[15:25] <Ampelbein> Hew: seems so.
[15:28] <Hew> Ampelbein: Thanks, just wanted to check. Marking as dupe.
[17:19] <pedro_> omg thunderbird is so confusing...
[17:21] <LaserJock> pedro_: in what way?
[17:22] <nullack> ping tseliot : Just wondering since the nvidi-settings package is installed when a user installs the nvidia 177 driver, if the user removes the nvidia 177 driver within synaptic, shouldnt the nvidia-settings package also go?
[17:23] <pedro_> LaserJock: mostly shortcuts, but maybe is just me since i've been using evolution for years
[17:24] <tseliot> nullack: adding a Recommends or a Depends |nvidia-glx-177|nvidia-glx-177| etc. would make nvidia-settings install a driver, which is not what we want
[17:24] <nullack> so its unavoidable cruft then
[17:25] <tseliot> nullack: yep
[17:25] <nullack> Maybe managed through the cruft cleanup I was reading about from UDS? If you agree how can I note that as a cruft item to help?
[18:00] <LaserJock> QA Team meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting if people are interested
[18:05] <emgent> thanks
[20:03] <persia> pedro_: re: bug #197537: Have you tried to reproduce with the Debian PDF I linked?
[20:03] <persia> I'm not sure that the bug doesn't remain valid, so long as we're dependong on something in multiverse, and very much not installed by default in oder to enable this functionality.
[20:06] <persia> pedro_: And yes, that is the right upstream bug for it.
[20:22] <stefanlsd> How do i close this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/showimg/+bug/258593.   I suggested the package concerned and it was accepted for removal...
[20:25] <bdmurray> stefanlsd: could that be backported for Hardy though?
[20:26] <pedro_> persia: alright, will re open the bug, thanks for checking the upstream one
[20:27] <jdstrand> bdmurray: hi! I am having a problem adding comments to bugs with python-launchpad-bugs since the recent LP updates. I am using p-l-b 0.3 rev 152.
[20:27] <stefanlsd> bdmurray: i'm not sure. It has been removed from Intrepid though.
[20:27] <jdstrand> bdmurray: I used to do:
[20:27] <jdstrand> comment = Bug.NewComment(text='foo')
[20:27] <jdstrand> bug.comments.add(comment)
[20:27] <bdmurray> jdstrand: I think subject is required for some reason now
[20:27] <pedro_> you needto add a subject too
[20:27] <jdstrand> but that doesn't work anymore. I don't get errors, but the comment isn't added
[20:28] <bdmurray> so Bug.NewComment(text='foo', subject='bar')
[20:28] <jdstrand> hmm-- can the subject be blank? what is it used for?
[20:29] <mattik> is it bug that konsole doesn't show command history if I press up arrow button?
[20:29] <bdmurray> stefanlsd: someone might still want that update in Hardy, but since you submitted it you can be the judge.  You can invalidate it by clicking on the current status "new"
[20:29] <stefanlsd> bdmurray: kk. thanks.
[20:30] <bdmurray> jdstrand: it just goes in the comment like bug 259779
[20:30] <bdmurray> well, the comment heading
[20:31] <jdstrand> bdmurray: so the 'Package assigned' and 'Need more information' bits?
[20:33] <mouz> mattik: if you are using the default shell+config then yes it is a bug
[20:33] <bdmurray> jdstrand: yes, however that ends up being the e-mail subject ... which can be strange
[20:34] <jdstrand> bdmurray, pedro_: cool, thanks. this helps a lot :)
[20:34] <bdmurray> jdstrand: the fact that is required now should be a bug report if you want to submit it ;)
[20:34] <pedro_> i wonder why lp doesn't notified us about that kind of changes
[20:34] <mouz> mattik: s/is/can be/ :)
[20:34] <pedro_> or they did?
[20:36] <mattik> mouz: It seems my arrow buttons doesn't work
[20:38] <mouz> mattik: try to get help on #ubuntu
[20:38] <mattik> mouz:thanks
[20:47] <jdstrand> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/259860
[20:48] <jdstrand> ask and ye shall receive ;)
[23:50] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/244218
[23:50] <hwilde> status is undecided
[23:50] <hwilde> would you like debug info to confirm?
[23:53] <james_w> I'll deal with that tomorrow, no-one else needs to worrt


[00:15] <thomasdelbeke> Hi guys
[00:15] <thomasdelbeke> server down?
[00:16] <thomasdelbeke> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[00:16] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116627/
[00:16] <thomasdelbeke> http://paste.ubuntu.com/116629/
[00:17] <charlie-tca> If you use the browser to go there, there are no alternate images today
[00:17] <thomasdelbeke> I know ...
[00:18] <thomasdelbeke> rsync don't work either ...
[00:18] <thomasdelbeke> I was gonna file bug
[00:18] <charlie-tca> rsync fails if the images are not there
[00:18] <thomasdelbeke> rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso ~/Desktop/rsync/jaunty-alternate-i386.iso
[00:18] <thomasdelbeke> yeah!
[00:18] <thomasdelbeke> hehe
[00:18] <thomasdelbeke> anyway
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> just wanted to report
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> thanks for feedback!
[00:19] <thomasdelbeke> cu
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[07:31] <ara> morning all :)
[07:42] <ara> persia, I am around, in case you need help with the testcases wiki
[07:43] <persia> ara, Good morning.  Could you start with just an overview of what goes where, and how that interacts with the ISO tracker?
[07:45] <ara> persia: about the interaction with the ISO tracker, I have no clue. Better wait for schwuk to wake up, or If you're offline by the time he logs in, I will ask him for you
[07:46] <ara> persia: if you go to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/ you can see, more or less, the structure
[07:46] <ara> persia: in applications you have to add test cases for the application, following the template at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/TestCaseTemplate
[07:47] <ara> i.e. Nautilus: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Nautilus
[07:48] <ara> persia: you have to choose a 3-letter code per application, and then one number per test case (i.e. for nautilius: nfm-001, nfm-002,...)
[07:48] <persia> So, to add a new flavour, I'd add test cases for each of the applications concerned under Applications, and then link to them from a flavour page?
[07:49] <persia> Also, what's the filter for separation between "Applications" and "System"?
[07:50] <ara> persia: system is supposed to be for things that are better fitted for the System menu, rather than the Applications menu
[07:51] <ara> persia: about the flavour, yes, you can add one more to the home page, and then links (or includes) to other things under applications, system or install (for type of installations)
[07:51] <persia> Would that also extend to things under "Preferences" where there aren't that class of menus?
[07:52] <ara> persia: yes, I would do that way
[07:53] <persia> For the installer tests, is it safe to assume "Desktop" means LiveCD?
[07:54] <ara> persia: yes, that is what it means :-) the iso name says "desktop" :)
[07:55] <persia> Well, not all of them :)  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/daily-live/current/jaunty-mid-lpia.img doesn't have "Desktop"
[07:56] <ara> persia: :-)
[07:56] <ara> persia: you can request then a change of name in the wiki to be more "all flavours" compliant
[07:57] <persia> To whom would that request be directed?
[07:58] <persia> Also, I see a link from Applications to Applications/EvolutionMail and a link from Ubuntu/Applications to Ubuntu/Applications/Evolution
[07:58] <persia> Is there a guide as to which sort of naming scheme is correct?
[07:59] <ara> persia: mmm, I don't think there is a guide yet, let me try to find something. but the correct path is Applications/<application>, but we are still migrating those with the wrong path
[08:00] <persia> So "Ubuntu/Applications/Evolution" is wrong and "Applications/EvolutionMail" is correct?
[08:01] <ara> persia: yes
[08:03] <persia> Also, there are a couple situations where I would expect to request different sets of per-application tests for different flavours.  As an example, both Xubuntu and Ubuntu MID use thunar, but the use cases differ.  How should this be indicated?
[08:04] <ara> mmm, persia, that's tricky. because at the beginning we decided to go for <flavour>/Applications/<application>, but then heno and davmor2 decided to go for the current one. I don't know why... could you ask them instead?
[08:05] <persia> Sure.  Neither seems to be around just now, but probably in a couple hours, no?
[08:06] <ara> persia: davmor2 should be around in 30 min
[08:06] <persia> OK.  Is there anything else you think I should know before I start drafting test cases?
[08:07] <ara> persia: you can have a look to the spec, in case it provides you with more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/TestcaseWikiMigration
[08:09] <persia> Looking about, I realise I have one other question: what does the "Tester" column indicate on pages like "Ubuntu/Applications"?
[08:11] <ara> persia: that page is not longer valid, but it used to mean the person that was in charge of the migration from /Testing/Cases to the new wiki
[08:13] <persia> If that page isn't valid, how is one to link the individual test cases to a flavour set?
[08:25] <ara> persia: I guess (just guessing) that the same one (maybe without the tester column) should be ok
[08:25] <persia> That makes perfect sense.  Thanks a lot.  I'll start framing a flavour, and poke davmor2 about how to handle specific cases on a flavour basis when he shows up.
[08:30] <ara> persia: cool. I am subscribed to the whole wiki, if I see something weird, I'll let you know :)
[08:31] <persia> Thanks!
[08:35] <persia> davmor2, Good morning.  ara says you understand about how to identify test cases for the testcase wiki.
[08:35] <davmor2> persia: I do indeed
[08:36] <davmor2> Why?
[08:36] <persia> So, I'm adding testing overviews for a couple more flavours, and wondered how to handle cases where the usage of an application differed due to differences in the environment (e.g. thunar for Xubuntu vs. Ubuntu MID).
[08:36] <persia> I'm guessing that each flavour only wants a subset of the test cases listed under the application, but I'm not sure how to indicate that.
[08:37] <davmor2> persia: Right at the minute the way things are working is as follows.
[08:38] <davmor2> 1: all applications go to /applications
[08:39] <davmor2> 2: you then make up a test plan under /testplans which pulls in the installation and apps you require testing
[08:40] <davmor2> 3: on the whole people won't test every app so pick between 3-5 (hopefully these will be randomised by a script schwuk is writing)
[08:41] <persia> Under /testplans?  Is that /Plans?  Also, how does that relate to the links on the front page to /Ubuntu and /Kubuntu?
[08:42] <davmor2> Tags for install cases are made up of xxx-111 where xxx=3 letters that tie into the case (eg ubiquity whole drive install becomes uwi) and 111 becomes 001 etc for each testnumber for each set of letters in a case
[08:43] <davmor2> persia: that was an old attempt that got dropped
[08:44] <persia> OK.  So if I want to create a set of cases for a flavour, where should I start?
[08:44] <davmor2> persia: /testplans isn't in till we get some cases together
[08:45] <persia> that page doesn't exist yet
[08:45] <persia> So, I should wait?
[08:45] <davmor2> persia: look at /Install most of  them are now complete
[08:46] <davmor2> persia: /testplans can just be added but at the moment there are no apps to put to it
[08:46] <persia> Right.  /Install, /System, and /Applications all look sane.  What I seek is more how to collect a set together to describe what needs testing for a given flavour.
[08:49] <davmor2> the general idea will be that the /testplan page just contains a whole bunch of includes lines
[08:49] <davmor2> I'll link to an old example for you
[08:49] <persia> Which would include specific test cases, or applications to test?
[08:50] <davmor2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Ubuntu/LiveCd/LiveSession  Here is an example if you hit edit you'll get the drift
[08:51] <davmor2> persia: For us it means that we only need to update 1 test for an app rather than the entire testcase
[08:51] <persia> I see the advantage, and using includes makes sense.  I'm just trying to understand how to generate the set of things to test for a specific flavour, and where to put it.
[08:56] <davmor2> Right so the way the test plans will work is thus.  /Testplans/XubuntuLiveCd would be a page of plans that is just includes lines.  It will pull in 1 Live cd install case + 3-5 apps that are specific to Xubuntu so thunar, thunderbird and abiword as examples
[08:57] <persia> OK.  Now, how ought the differences in testing thunar for Xubuntu and Ubuntu MID be indicated?
[09:00] <davmor2> persia: None needed.  The codebase is the same.  However each testplan will have it's own test number.  So thunar under XUB-001 thu-001 would be different to thunar under MID-001 thu-001 but all the results for thunar can be pulled together etc
[09:01] <davmor2> hope that makes sense it did in my head
[09:01] <persia> Now I'm very confused.  Are there then two pages of thunar tests which are included?
[09:02] <davmor2> 3 pages of results can be drawn a test for thunar from results for thu-001 and then result for indvidual cases for xubuntu and mid
[09:03] <davmor2> need to go for a bit bbl
[09:03] <persia> OK.  Catch me when you're back, as I still don't think I understand.  I'll prep an example for discussion then.
[09:30] <davmor2> persia: ping
[09:32] <persia> davmor2, I've put together a small example that illustrates the two ways that I could understand the structure at http://paste.ubuntu.com/116733/
[09:33] <persia> Are either of these correct, or are you envisioning something else?
[11:51]  * davmor2 goes to smoke testing as doesn't want issues with testcase :)
[12:43]  * ara -> lunch
[12:44]  * davmor2 working lunch nothing better to do :)
[20:07] <cgregan> Does anyone out there have an Intrepid instance running in qemu with resolution over 800x600?


[00:26] <zsquareplusc> we don't have any floodbots as ops in #ubuntu. on purpose?
[00:26] <Pici> zsquareplusc: We're looking into it.
[00:43] <batman76> ubuntu sucks
[00:44] <batman76> efnet is god
[00:45] <batman76> hahaha
[00:45] <Pici> Thanks.
[00:46] <elkbuntu> haha
[00:46] <elkbuntu> let me guess, he hit more than just our channels...
[00:47] <Pici> Either that or someone is lurking...
[00:47] <elkbuntu> Pici, i think you'll find the lack of op'd floodbots is split related btw
[00:47] <elkbuntu> i could be wrong though
[00:47] <Pici> elkbuntu: Indeed. I re-opped the one that was affected, no one has flood since though.
[00:48] <elkbuntu> s/is/was/
[00:50] <elkbuntu> zsquareplusc, as you can see above, we often get hit by trolls and so forth. It's one of the reasons we keep this channel free from regular users idling here. less attention for them, and easier for us to spot a lurking pain. You're able to return if you have another issue, but we request you /part now, thanks :)
[00:54] <elkbuntu> btw, the users seem to love the floodbots as much as we do. someone piped up in -irc at the same time
[01:06] <Flannel> ubottu: give nbeebo coc
[01:06] <Flannel> oops
[01:06] <Flannel> ubottu: tell nbeebo about coc
[01:17] <elkbuntu> an interesting thought though. users pretty much no longer bother calling the !paste factoid on flooders. maybe we should investigate a bad words list and maybe it'll train them to not jump on people with !ohmy
[01:18] <Flannel> I can't imagine thats the best course of action
[01:18] <Flannel> also, all of the possible permutations, etc.
[01:20] <nalioth> etc
[01:22] <elkbuntu> best course is something other than someone saying 'shit' and having 10 people !ohmy
[01:22] <Flannel> ubottu already has repeat factoid control
[01:27] <elkbuntu> Flannel, that doesnt stop 10 lines of <person1> !ohmy <person2> !ohmy <person3> !ohmy
[01:27] <Flannel> elkbuntu: And I don't think ubottu automatically saying it will either.
[01:28] <Flannel> Since the people doing the parroting are likely not paying attention
[01:28] <elkbuntu> Flannel, people used to do that for !paste. they dont anymore because floodbot does it
[01:29] <Flannel> I still think there are better ways to solving the issue.  Technical issues to social problems generally don't work.
[01:29] <nalioth> i think word censoring is a whole different kettle of fish than flood control
[01:29] <elkbuntu> Flannel, lynchmobs are not a good solution to social problems either. that's what we have currently
[01:30] <Flannel> I hardly think an occassional factoid burst (with only one, maybe two replies) is a lynch mob.  Or a large problem, to be honest.
[01:31] <Flannel> two would be an !ohmy and a !ohmy | person
[01:32] <elkbuntu> Flannel, the person on the receiving end often goes defensive, panics, or outright gives up on the channel.
[01:32] <Flannel> elkbuntu: And a bot reprimanding the person would go over better how?
[01:32] <elkbuntu> also, the initial flood still gets a trickle of !ohmy a few mins later
[01:33] <Flannel> Thats a separate issue, and one we can work on by messaging the people who are tardy about paying attention.
[01:33] <Flannel> Those same people wouldn't likely notice that ubottu automatically replied
[01:34] <elkbuntu> Flannel, those same people would soon learn how it works. there's very very very few stray !paste calls these days
[01:34] <elkbuntu> !paste used to be how !ohmy currently still is
[01:34] <elkbuntu> dont worry ubottu, we know you're not.
[01:35] <Flannel> I still think its a horrible idea.  It'll cause way more trouble than its worth.  And you'll still get people who reply, because there will always be things that arent automatically responded to.
[01:35] <Flannel> Heck, trouble makers will make a point about figuring out which ones *arent* responded to, etc.
[01:35] <elkbuntu> and as they find them, we add them to the list
[01:36] <Flannel> "How do we stop people from getting pounced on" has better solutions than "write it into the bot"
[01:36] <elkbuntu> right, then by all means, solve it in another way. it was 'just a thought'
 an interesting thought though  <-- that's how i started this discussion off...
[01:37] <nalioth> thoughts are good
[04:54]  * nickrud avoids thinking where possible, it avoids getting pounced
[08:12] <elkbuntu> nickrud, in the case of offtopicers, they take that to a stupid extreme
[08:22] <imhacker> hi
[08:37] <Flannel> Hi imhacker, how can we help you?
[08:50] <elkbuntu> imhacker, this isnt a chat or support channel. is there something you need to say about our other channels?
[09:19] <Flannel> Do we have a serbian channel? (sr)
[09:19] <Flannel> oh, -rs? interesting
[09:21] <Flannel> I see.
[09:23] <elkbuntu> Flannel, it's a republic iirc
[09:23] <Flannel> sr is the language code, rs is serbia country code.
[09:24] <elkbuntu> yes, well language is very rarely soverign or republic ;)
[09:24] <elkbuntu> british english is, depending who you ask :P
[09:24] <elkbuntu> (soverign that is)
[09:24] <jussio1> hehe
[09:25] <elkbuntu> since it's "the queens english"
[11:54] <bazhang> king_, how may we help you
[11:55] <king_> I have been banned from the #ubuntu channel. I think my nick has been banned. When I logged into freenode right now I got a message about last failed login attempt from a user called king@different_ip. He was obviously not me. Maybe he abused the channel and I got banned.
[11:55] <king_> bazhang, thank for asking ^
[11:56] <king_> I could give you the exact details proving that I was not the user that was intended to be banned. But I don't think freenode's servers will send me those details again if I re-login. If someone knows how to get query the free-node server for last failed login please tell me.
[11:58] <king> Can some op help me?
[12:00] <king> Hello?
[12:00] <bazhang> king, when were you last on #ubuntu
[12:01] <king> I fail to recall. Possibly a long time ago. We could search the logs to see that, couldn't we? Are they indexed?
[12:03] <king> Can someone give me speedier responses please?
[12:03] <king> LjL, Could you please look into the issue?
[12:03] <bazhang> king someone logged in using your cloak? do you recall if you were ever removed/muted in the channel?
[12:04] <king> I do not think someone logged in using my cloak. As for that they would need to put in my password which I don't think anyone guessed. I got info saying king@different_ip. failed to login last time. As it displayed an ip I am assuming he didn't have my cloak.
[12:05] <king> bazhang, I was once kicked out of the channel. Nothing more.
[12:06] <bazhang> king, dont see any record of outstanding bans on you here
[12:06] <king> bazhang, Look at this, I got the info, this could be the impostor that got me banned.
[12:06] <king> 1 failed login since Dec 29 20:09:03 2008.
[12:06] <king> -NickServ- Last failed attempt from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on Dec 30 10:19:34 2008.
[12:07] <king> That ip is not mine. I think it looks like foreign country.
[12:07] <king> bazhang, * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned)
[12:10] <king> Can someone address this issue speedily, PLEASE?
[12:10] <bazhang> um this is being looked into
[12:11] <bazhang> dont know why you would say otherwise
[12:11] <king> bazhang, I didn't know there was some back end work to do. Sorry.
[12:13] <king> bazhang, People are saying my nick is not banned at #ubuntu. Does that mean my IP is banned?! I am behind a huge NAT server, serving 1000 machines.
[12:14] <jpds> king: Hmm, I can't seem to find a ban for "king" on the bantracker.
[12:14] <bazhang> king, I told you earlier there is no indication of any ban on you
[12:14] <freerunner> It seems they banned my IP? It is going to be DAMN difficult to disprove this.
[12:15] <freerunner> bazhang, I get Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned), even with this nick. Does it mean that my IP is banned?
[12:15] <freerunner> bazhang, What else could it be?
[12:16] <bazhang> freerunner, what nick were you using when you were kicked that time
[12:16] <freerunner> bazhang, king. That was a casual kick. I could get right in.
[12:17] <bazhang> freerunner, you mind identifying to services?
[12:18] <jpds> freerunner: Hmm, I can't find anything on the banlist that would block you.
[12:18] <freerunner> bazhang, [12:00:43] Ban listing for #ubuntu<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(set by LjL!n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl on Thu 11. Dec 15:20:23 2008)
[12:18] <freerunner> This is the ban!
[12:19] <bazhang> aha
[12:19] <bazhang> freerunner, need to talk to LjL then
[12:20] <freerunner> bazhang, Thanks to james I could find that ban.
[12:20] <freerunner> LjL, Heloooo?
[12:20] <freerunner> bazhang, When would he wake up?
[12:24] <jpds> king: Hmm, appartently there was a person by the name of 'qstnn' trolling in #ubuntu-offtopic, so he got banned there and in #ubuntu.
[12:25] <king> jpds, Is qstnn nick registered? Can I prove it was not me? How can anyone ban the IP of an unregistered user, especially this being a HUGE NAT.
[12:25] <bazhang> king, LjL is not around right now. come back in a couple of hours and check if he is.
[12:26] <bazhang> king, in the meantime please part this channel as idling is not permitted.
[12:26] <king> bazhang, If you are around would you please refer the issue to him? I may not be at the computer.
[12:26] <bazhang> king, yes of course.
[12:27] <king> bazhang, Thank you.
[12:29] <bazhang> king, please /part as indicated in the channel /topic
[15:19] <bazhang> * [Suferr1ngLinUX] (n=www@<IP_ADDRESS>): www  giving a greeter on entry to #ubuntu
[15:23] <Gary> confirmed
[15:23]  * PriceChild sends a pm
[15:24] <Gary> it's a very nice on join spam though (at least)
[15:24] <jpds> Gary: hehe.
[15:24] <bazhang> oddly enough when I try to kick it, I get 'suffer1ngLinUX not found
[15:25] <bazhang> -Suferr1ngLinUX- Hi bazhang , Welcome to Ubuntu Official Support help channel, Please read the topic ..  Got back and there are dozens of PMs from what seems random users. Was there some kind of bot attack?
[15:28] <bazhang> just the greeter above genii
[15:28] <PriceChild> genii: who?
[15:28] <genii> bazhang: OK
[15:29] <genii> PriceChild: I've started deleting them already alphabetically, but LOTS
[15:29] <PriceChild> genii: PM a couple?
[15:30] <genii> PriceChild: Hangon, I'll screen-capture and give the urls (will be likely 3 screens)
[15:47] <bazhang> nifty
[15:47] <bazhang> did not see the bot killed but it is gone.
[15:48] <bazhang> LjL, you around?
[15:49] <nickrud> Suferr1ngLinUX has also been UndergroundZer0; he's highly interested in bots
[15:50] <bazhang> nice catch
[15:50] <nickrud> had a nice conversation with him in pm last night :(
[15:51] <bazhang> :/
[15:51] <nickrud> the dialog window is still open, that's how I caught the name change
[15:51] <bazhang> sweet
[15:59] <genii> PriceChild: Client issue confirmed with Quassel devs
[16:00] <PriceChild> cool beans
[16:18]  * genii makes more coffee and goes back to deleting another few dozen randomly opened queries
[16:22]  * nickrud thinks genii should cut back on the caffeine :)
[16:36] <genii> PriceChild: Did a git pull and build, jussi01_ also restarted core. Hopefully this will remedy the situation
[16:37] <jussio1> it was a silly mistake by one of the devs... should never have happened
[16:40] <PriceChild> what was it?
[16:42] <jussio1> why do you ask?
[16:43] <jussio1> (it was egs)
[16:44] <PriceChild> just random
[17:54] <WastePotato> Guys?
[17:54] <WastePotato> Can anyone speak Spanish? It's about #ubuntu.
[17:54] <WastePotato> Anyone here?
[17:55] <bazhang> WastePotato, what s up
[17:55] <WastePotato> I joined a Spanish channel and they were said something about /version ing the whole of #ubuntu.
[17:56] <bazhang> WastePotato, the floodbots will get them, or Seveas will call ops most likely; thanks for the heads-up :)
[17:56] <WastePotato> I'll pastebin  a log. I don't know Spanish so I don't know what they meant.
[17:56] <WastePotato> k.
[17:56] <WastePotato> Bye
[17:56] <bazhang> sev is a bit trigger happy on that op button
[18:09]  * genii sips
[18:16] <bazhang> who else calls that on repeat :/
[18:22] <bazhang> * [FloodBot0] (n=chatzill@<IP_ADDRESS>): New Now Know How <--it is alive
[19:16]  * genii slides bazhang more coffee
[19:16] <bazhang> genii, thanks! just needing a refill :)
[19:17] <genii> Yes, I see you buzzing around like mad in #u
[19:18] <bazhang> mr_fat in -ot seems to be trolling
[19:19] <bazhang> oh he quit
[19:21] <tangentcollision> hello
[19:21] <tangentcollision> I would like to know why I was banned
[19:21] <bazhang> how may we help you
[19:21] <tangentcollision> I don't remember ever being banned
[19:21] <bazhang> what nickname and who banned you
[19:22] <tangentcollision> no clue
[19:22] <genii> @btlogin
[19:22] <tangentcollision> this is the nickname I always use here
[19:24] <genii> As far as I can tell you're not banned but redirected because your whois for instance shows "tangentcollision is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(FUCKOFFWHOAREYOU)"
[19:25] <bazhang> whoa
[19:25] <bazhang> that would do it
[19:34] <jpds> irssi users might like the autorealname.pl script, it puts the real name of the user in /join's
[19:34] <bazhang> sweet
[19:35] <bazhang> just need to wean myself off xchat first
[19:43] <bazhang> tangentcollision, you need to change that last part.
[19:44] <bazhang> tangentcollision, please dont idle in here as per the channel /topic
[19:45] <tangentcollision> sorry
[19:45] <tangentcollision> I'm off anyways
[19:45] <tangentcollision> for now at least, I'll get it changed
[21:39]  * genii thinks about the server that fell off the edge of the internet
[21:50] <nalioth> genii: not the internet, the discwo^H^H^H^H^H^Hinternet
[21:57] <genii> nalioth: Heh, yes. Looks like christel's backspace key is not mapped or so
[21:58] <christel> nah, i manually typed that :P
[21:58] <king> bazhang, thanks for getting my issue solved.
[22:03] <genii> I'm /away , /back from home in a bit
[22:39] <jpds> howa spamming dev channels.
[22:39] <jpds> 22:37:44 < ~howa> rate my new site !! http://www.hardstylersunited.dk/
[22:39] <jpds> -motu and -devel for now.
[23:59] <Slart> can someone have a chat with zelda and  frijolie in #ubuntu, please