[04:59] <curiousx> aloha!
[05:00] <curiousx> are this the PPA for firefox 14 nightly? ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[05:02] <micahg> yes
[05:02] <curiousx> thanks dude
[05:52] <curiousx> cya
[12:11] <philinux> chrisccoulson: have you a minute
[16:23] <vibhav> How can I contribute here?
[16:36] <micahg> vibhav: how familiar are you wait bzr, debian packaging, and debian dir only branches?
[16:36] <micahg> s/wait/with/
[16:38] <vibhav> micahg: I am quite familiar with bzr and debian packaging
[16:38] <micahg> vibhav: so, we need help updating seamonkey
[16:39] <vibhav> micahg: sure
[16:39] <vibhav> How do I do that?
[16:40] <micahg> vibhav: well, it's mainly merging fixes as needed from the thunderbird stable branch (lp;thunderbird/stable)
[16:41] <micahg> to https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/seamonkey/seamonkey.head
[16:41] <micahg> latest version is 2.8
[16:41] <micahg> it should be one commit per change ideally
[16:42] <micahg> vibhav: and you can base your changes on https://code.launchpad.net/~joe-nationnet/seamonkey/seamonkey-dev I think (this branch should bring us up to 2.7)
[16:42] <micahg> propose a merge to the seamonkey.head branch when you're ready and I'll review it
[16:43] <micahg> ask any questions you may have here
[16:43] <vibhav> nice!
[16:52] <vibhav> Will I need to create a every new branch for a every new switch
[16:53] <micahg> vibhav: no, you can have your own working branch that gets merged in when it's ready
[17:00] <vibhav> Soryy for quiting
[17:02] <micahg> vibhav: are you committing to working on this?  I'll leave it for you then
[17:02] <vibhav> micahg: I will try to work on this
[17:02] <vibhav> Ill put in my best effort
[17:03] <ikonia> vibhav: you need to commit
[17:03] <ikonia> you've stopped doing half the things you say you will do
[17:03] <vibhav> ok
[17:03] <ikonia> so don't waste peoples time, if you want to do it, commit to doing it
[17:03] <ikonia> if you can't commit, say so in advance
[17:04] <vibhav> micahg: Ill commit
[17:04] <ikonia> vibhav: you %100 sure, you've committed to other translation and motu work ?
[17:04] <ikonia> if you are, great.
[17:04] <micahg> vibhav: these branches have a slight learning curve as well, if seamonkey if something you're interested in, the help is definitely appreciated
[17:05] <micahg> my estimate for someone not familiar with the branches to do this update is somewhere in the range of 6-12 hours
[17:05] <vibhav> translation work, oh yes
[17:05] <vibhav> MOTU stuff , partly
[17:06] <ikonia> vibhav: just keep in mind you are telling others you will do work for them, if you can't commit to doing all of it, don't take on more
[17:06] <ikonia> if you say you do stuff and then don't - it's a big let down to people
[17:06] <vibhav> sure
[17:06] <vibhav> I know that
[17:06] <ikonia> it holds the projects back, rather than helps
[17:06] <ikonia> ok, that's why I'm asking you to be %101 sure you'll do the work rather than let micahg down
[17:07] <ikonia> as you've said you'll do other work on other projects too,
[17:07] <ikonia> if you are %100 sure, then super
[17:13] <micahg> vibhav: so, if the project is estimated to take 6-12 hours, when do you think you could have this done by?
[17:14] <vibhav> By 1 o clock tomorrow
[17:15] <vibhav> lemme check the time zones
[17:15] <vibhav> Ill will start tomowwor morning
[17:15] <vibhav> at 7 o clock
[17:15] <vibhav> will try to get it done by 1 o clock
[17:16] <vibhav> micahg: I will get the branch lp:~joe-nationnet/seamonkey/seamonkey-dev and lp:seamonkey , see the changes between them , commit the changes to the .head branch and propose a merge , right?
[17:16] <micahg> vibhav: let's be a little more realistic as I"m sure you have other things going on, perhaps by Sunday?
[17:17] <vibhav> micahg: Ok
[17:17] <micahg> vibhav: that's step 1, then try updating to 2.8 and grab fixes from lp:thunderbird/stable as needed to make it build
[17:17] <vibhav> micahg: I dont have much things since my holidays have started
[17:19] <vibhav_> Sorry (yet again)
[17:19] <micahg> ./debian/rules get-orig-source DEBIAN_TAG=SEAMONKEY_2_8_RELEASE will get you a tarball
[17:19] <vibhav_> micahg: Could you again start from step one?
[17:22] <vibhav> micahg: Which branch shall I grab first?
[17:22] <micahg> pull seamonkey.head, pull the seamonkey-dev branch from joe on top of it, then try updating to 2.8
[17:23] <vibhav> They needed to be downloaded into different directories, right?
[17:29] <vibhav> The dev branch has the debian files
[17:29] <vibhav> I see
[17:30] <vibhav> I will put these files into the puller lp:seamonkey see if it builds correctly
[17:33] <vibhav> pulled*
[17:34] <micahg> vibhav: I have to run out now, you'll need to bzr merge/pull and not copy files between the branch
[17:35] <vibhav> ok
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> Olá


[14:28] <knielsen> Hm, I pushed to https://code.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/10.0-custombld 15 minutes ago, but it's still in "Updating branch" ... is there some problems with Launchpad, or do I just have to be patient?
[14:28]  * knielsen is waiting for Launchpad to up date and send a build request to our Buildbot
[15:16] <cjwatson> knielsen: The scan timed out, I believe.  Could you please run http://paste.ubuntu.com/9561036/ as "lp-rescan-branch lp:~maria-captains/maria/10.0-custombld", which should force it to have another go?
[15:16]  * knielsen looking
[15:19] <knielsen> cjwatson: it ran without error, let's see if it will help ... and thanks!
[15:22] <cjwatson> knielsen: Seems to have done
[15:22] <knielsen> cjwatson: nice, thanks for helping out
[15:22] <cjwatson> np
[16:55] <jhobbs> howdy - is there any way for a launchpad admin to retrieve an old version of a package, that's been superceded?
[16:55] <jhobbs> trying to get my hands on 1.7.0+bzr3299-0ubuntu1~trusty1 and the source package it was built from
[16:55] <cjwatson> jhobbs: what package, in what archive?
[16:56] <jhobbs> cjwatson: it was in this archive https://launchpad.net/~hashimoto-team/+archive/ubuntu/testing
[16:56] <jhobbs> oh, that's MAAS
[16:59] <cjwatson> jhobbs: If it's been superseded for more than about a day, I'm afraid it's gone.
[16:59] <jhobbs> cjwatson: dang, ok, thanks
[16:59] <cjwatson> Actually, I think it's a bit longer, that's when it's removed from disk on ppa.lp.net
[17:01] <cjwatson> jhobbs: You can search for it in +packages on that archive, selecting "Any status", but if you don't see it there then it's pretty unlikely to be available.
[17:03] <jhobbs> oh, it's there!
[17:03] <jhobbs> cool
[17:04] <jhobbs> well, sort of
[17:05] <cjwatson> I couldn't check because it's a private archive.
[17:05] <jhobbs> i can get the .orig.tar.gz but the .debian.tar.gz gives an error
[17:05] <cjwatson> Try not in Chromium.
[17:05] <jhobbs> 404, even though the link for it is there
[17:05] <jhobbs> ok
[17:06] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/677270
[17:07] <jhobbs> worked from firefox
[17:07] <jhobbs> cjwatson: got everything I needed; thanks for your help!
[17:08] <cjwatson> cool
[22:32] <wgrant> cjwatson, jhobbs: Superseded PPA librarian files are kept for a week, FWIW.
[22:42] <jhobbs> ok wgrant
[22:43] <jhobbs> wgrant: i'm hitting this trying to copy a package from one ppa to another  http://paste.ubuntu.com/9564152/
[22:46] <wgrant> jhobbs: What were you copying, and where from and to?
[22:47] <jhobbs> wgrant: maas - 1.7.0+hashimotobzr3306-0ubutu1 from https://launchpad.net/~hashimoto-team/+archive/ubuntu/testing/ to https://launchpad.net/~hashimoto-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[22:48] <wgrant> jhobbs: It looks to me like you tried to copy that about 5 times.
[22:48] <jhobbs> yes
[22:48] <wgrant> Why did you try to copy that about 5 times?
[22:48] <jhobbs> well, i double clicked on 'copy' twice the first time, on accident
[22:48] <wgrant> Ah
[22:49] <jhobbs> then i deleted those packages while they were copying, because i thought something might go wrong and wanted to start over
[22:49] <wgrant> Well, you seem to have run into a race condition that's caused database corruption.
[22:49] <jhobbs> then retried several times after that
[22:49] <wgrant> Well, deleting them ensured that something went wrong :)
[22:49] <jhobbs> :(
[22:49] <wgrant> Also that version is typoed anyway.
[22:49] <wgrant> Upload a package with a correct version number, copy once, and all will be good.
[22:50] <jhobbs> wgrant: i didn't build it in the first place; how is the version number typod?
[22:50] <wgrant> ubutu
[22:50] <jhobbs> ah
[22:51] <jhobbs> thanks for catching that
[22:53] <mapreri> jhobbs: but be aware that 1.7.0+hashimotobzr3306-0ubutu1 is greater than 1.7.0+hashimotobzr3306-0ubuntu1
[22:57] <jhobbs> thanks mapreri
[23:38] <mefistofeles> oh
[23:38] <mefistofeles> I thought launchpad wasn't open source
[23:38] <mefistofeles> nice


[01:44] <cyphermox> infinity: still around?
[01:47] <cyphermox> I've spent more time testing my tasksel merge, and it doesn't even look like we use it anywhere to build images (we'd use apt instead AFAICT), the only current use appears as though it would be as a tool to potentially install more stuff on a system, which appears to work. I'd be quite interested to know if there is some other use I've missed
[01:48] <cyphermox> fwiw, in the merge I drop all the task packages from Debian, and kept enough of our changes (or I guess the task-fields magic) to handle our tasks
[01:48] <cyphermox> so far from what I could test (since I may have missed some use case that breaks badly), it works just as it previously did
[01:49] <cyphermox> in fact, slightly better on openstack, as the current tasksel + aptitude seems to explode in some way right now, and apt-only works correctly, it seems
[14:56] <infinity> cyphermox: Do we not still use it from d-i?  Maybe we switched to apt there when I wasn't looking.
[14:57] <cyphermox> well, towards the end of the install on server (when not using live-installer), you would get a tasksel-looking thing
[14:57] <cyphermox> I think that's pkgsel
[14:58] <cyphermox> but since the behavior appears to be the same when running tasksel after install, seems like that would be fine
[14:59] <cyphermox> oh wait, you're right there's something important I forgot there.
[15:00] <cyphermox> at the very least we're calling tasksel with options that no longer exist
[15:04] <cyphermox> infinity: there are --debconf-apt-to and --debconf-apt-from for progress that are delta we've had for a long while
[17:08] <xnox> cyphermox, i take it bad things happen, when there is no partman-auto recipe for an architecture?!
[17:08] <xnox> bug #1527328
[17:09] <cyphermox> probably yeah
[17:09] <cyphermox> should be sufficient to copy those from s390.
[17:10] <cyphermox> if there were any
[17:10] <cyphermox> ah, did that format in mbr format?
[17:11] <cyphermox> xnox: could you add syslog to the bug
[17:13] <xnox> nah, i cannot share logs ;-)
[17:13] <xnox> that would be telling, what actually is going on.
[17:13] <cyphermox> ok
[17:13] <cyphermox> well, partman-auto should make a gpt partition table anyway, not a MBR one.
[17:13] <xnox> looking at partman-auto it seems like neither s390 nor s390x support was ever there.
[17:13] <cyphermox> nope
[17:14] <xnox> i'm not sure what default partition table for them is.....
[17:14] <cyphermox> but it also doesn't look like it should matter
[17:15] <cjwatson> default mbr vs. gpt is up to partman-partitioning, not -auto
[17:15] <xnox> from docs it can be any. however ipl should be able to read the bootmap from the boot partition....
[17:15] <cyphermox> ah? but partman-auto's /lib/partman/recipes reads gpt in atomic.
[17:15] <cyphermox> nevermind I can't read, apparently
[17:16] <xnox> cyphermox, ipl -> as in hypervisor z/VM CMS console.
[17:16] <cjwatson> it has a bit of special handling, but the recipes are mostly partition-table-agnostic
[17:16] <cyphermox> yeah, I just fail at reading
[17:17] <cyphermox> msdos on s390x?
[17:17] <cyphermox> that was a regex.
[17:17] <xnox> cyphermox, i'm inclined to copy ppc64el (or symlink) that to s390x.
[17:17] <cjwatson> last I checked, yeah
[17:17] <xnox> it looks "reasonable"
[17:17] <cjwatson> errrr
[17:17] <cjwatson> you don't want prep
[17:17] <cyphermox> indeed
[17:17] <xnox> ah, true.
[17:18] <cjwatson> it can probably be pretty similar to ppc64el, but not a symlink
[17:18] <cyphermox> do you really need to create one? looks to me like the generic one should work
[17:18] <xnox> however, i can do something good. there is zipl support to boot of lvm directly. so e.g. i can test doing /boot -less lvm by default.
[17:19] <xnox> cyphermox, it doesn't as per bug report. do you need more details from it?
[17:19] <cyphermox> xnox: yeah, your "too high partition numbers" isn't very clear
[17:19] <cjwatson> yeah, that's not about absence of recipe
[17:19] <cyphermox> is that causing some failure somewhere
[17:19] <xnox> horum.
[17:20] <xnox> let me get more logs.
[17:20] <cjwatson> partman tries very hard to use logical partitions where it can
[17:20] <cjwatson> I'm very sceptical about this business of logical partitions not working
[17:20] <cjwatson> feel like that needs some digging
[17:20] <cyphermox> because when you jump from 1 to 5 it simply looks like it's using msdos and making you one primary and one extended partition, hence the 5
[17:20] <xnox> ..
[17:20] <xnox> the method biosgrub and defaultingore are not giving me confidence.
[17:20] <cjwatson> defaultignore is about lvm
[17:21] <xnox> right, yes. i recall that now.
[17:21] <cjwatson> so, if gpt works, that would avoid the logical partition business, but if something cares about logical partitions then it may also care about the partition table format
[17:22] <cjwatson> try a fresh install with partman-partitioning/default_label=gpt on the command line
[17:22] <cjwatson> if that works then it would probably be reasonable to switch the default over
[17:23] <cjwatson> i.e. a fresh install with that and with default recipes etc.
[17:25] <xnox> ok.
[17:26] <xnox> release noted.


[12:11] <crimsun> shawarma: well, the first point is rather moot, so we're really discussing the second...?
[12:12] <shawarma> crimsun: Why is the first point moot?
[12:12] <lupine_85> "moot" ~= "a given"
[12:13] <crimsun> shawarma: it's not the present interface that matters but the fact that there's no midi available by default
[12:13] <shawarma> lupine_85: Thanks.
[12:13] <crimsun> I believe a few bug reports are open that lament missing midi functionality OOTB
[12:14] <jdong> lupine_85: more like "No longer relevant/needing arguing."
[12:14] <jdong> or maybe I suck at assuming what moot means too :D
[12:14] <crimsun> (jdong has the gist of it)
[12:14] <lupine_85> if you want to get technical, it's a gathering where people agree on things
[12:14] <lupine_85> ;)
[12:15] <jdong> lupine_85: or the USA law term meaning circumstances changed to the point where it is no longer actionable to contest a point :)
[12:15] <shawarma> crimsun: Ok. Well, yes, I suppose we're discussing the second point, then.
[12:15] <jdong> but anyway, this is all... err.. moot.
[12:15] <lupine_85> :)
[12:15] <jdong> :)
[12:16] <crimsun> shawarma: so something for which it's worth creating a Feisty+1 spec would be providing midi functionality OOTB
[12:16] <shawarma> crimsun: Right.
[12:16] <crimsun> we load snd-seq by default as of Feisty anyhow, so simply having timidity seeded in desktop would resolve much of it
[12:16] <shawarma> crimsun: Yes, whether it's using timidity is secondary.
[12:17] <LaserJock> darn, I need to keep remembering it's April 1st
[12:17] <LaserJock> I almost had a heart attack reading about Martin Krafft getting kicked out of Debian ;-)
[12:17] <shawarma> crimsun: Precisely... That's why I'm wondering why it's not done already.
[12:18] <crimsun> shawarma: likely lack of resources
[12:19] <shawarma> crimsun: Possibly. I just expected a technical reason, but couldn't imagine what it'd be.
[12:19] <shawarma> crimsun: And since your the sound guru..
[12:20] <crimsun> nope, the closest thing to a technical "reason" would be bug 34831
[12:20] <ubotu> Malone bug 34831 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Hardlock of entire system (Dapper Flight 5)" [High,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34831
[12:20] <crimsun> that's precisely the reason I used the sledgehammer approach in alsa-driver (as of 1.0.13-1ubuntu1)
[12:21] <crimsun> one of the things on my plate for Feisty+1 is scrapping the entire asound.state saving/restoring, as the mixer interface is far too volatile (thanks, HDA!) to be useful
[12:22] <shawarma> I see.
[12:22] <crimsun> (yes, I have much _love_ for HDA.)
[12:23] <crimsun> in any case, if you want to file an MIR for timidity, feel free :)
[12:25] <DktrKranz> LaserJock, we discovered something about yesterday's php issue
[12:30] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: yes?
[12:31] <Fujitsu> crimsun, shawarma: Isn't timidity pretty useless without a soundfont? The size of those isn't insignificant.
[12:31] <shawarma> crimsun: Nah, I try to stay away from anything that has to do with sound.
[12:31] <DktrKranz> well, php-interbase and friends depends on a package in universe
[12:31] <shawarma> Fujitsu: freepaths is about 10 MB, I think.
[12:31] <shawarma> Fujitsu: freepats.
[12:31] <crimsun> shawarma: aww.
[12:31] <Fujitsu> 30MiB.
[12:31] <shawarma> Really? Shit.
[12:32] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[12:32] <DktrKranz> so they were dropped accordingly
[12:32] <DktrKranz> it's the correct behaviour
[12:32] <LaserJock> bah, we have plenty of room on the CD;-)
[12:32] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: what do you mean?
[12:32] <crimsun> bah, just because edubuntu now has _2_ cds... ;-)
[12:32] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:32] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Damn you and your second CD.
[12:32] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:33] <LaserJock> we only put 200MB on it
[12:33] <LaserJock> I've got another 500MB to play with ;-)
[12:33] <crimsun> hey, another openoffice.org instance might fit...
[12:33] <Fujitsu> Hopefully we'll have maxima and co. on there next time.
[12:33] <DktrKranz> php-interbase could not be included into php5 (in main) because of a universe dependency
[12:34] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: right, but it shouldn't have just been dropped
[12:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: What other choice was there?
[12:34] <LaserJock> make a package for it
[12:34] <Fujitsu> We have a few other similar situations.
[12:34] <DktrKranz> they had to be packaged as stand-alone packages
[12:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That requires a universe-based php5 as well...
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Or does it not need all of php5 to build?
[12:34] <LaserJock> no it doesn't
[12:35] <DktrKranz> anyway, there was some doubt about this procedure
[12:35] <LaserJock> well, it is tricky
[12:35] <LaserJock> but we shouldn't just abandon packages because they dep on Universe :(
[12:35] <DktrKranz> of course
[12:35] <DktrKranz> the main discussion was how to handle them
[12:36] <DktrKranz> since debian ships them in php5
[12:36] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: As I said, there are other cases of this... it'd be nice to fix that, though.
[12:36] <DktrKranz> we have some options
[12:36] <LaserJock> where was this discussed?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> The same with AAC support and stuff.
[12:36] <DktrKranz> here, this afternoon
[12:37] <LaserJock> ok, but it was dropped a while ago, right?
[12:37] <LaserJock> there should have been some discussion on ubuntu-devel or something
[12:37] <DktrKranz> it was dropped during autosync of php5 in october
[12:38] <LaserJock> it's annoying to loose packages that are depended on without any discussion
[12:38] <DktrKranz> (or when it happened, i didn't remind the exact date)
[12:38] <LaserJock> although I guess at the time the deps were php4
[12:38] <DktrKranz> you guess right
[12:39] <DktrKranz> StevenK proposed to include them in a "php5-universe" package
[12:40] <DktrKranz> but this way we should monitor php5 updates
[12:40] <Fujitsu> We really should be notified when archive people do that.
[12:40] <DktrKranz> and workload is quite high
[12:41] <Fujitsu> We already have a couple with universe/multiverse clones, like gtkpod.
[12:41] <DktrKranz> so there isn't an immediate solution
[12:41] <DktrKranz> nor a bitesize one
[12:43] <DktrKranz> we could see if it is possible to promote firebird2
[12:43] <DktrKranz> but it requires time
[01:04] <geser> DktrKranz: promoting firebird2 would solve it for php-interbase but not for the other php modules (php-imap, php-mcrypt)
[01:06] <DktrKranz> that's right, checked
[01:10] <TheMuso> crimsun: Ok thanks for the update.
[01:27] <DktrKranz> good night :)
[01:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: they beat you constantly?
[01:29] <bddebian> Heh
[01:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: Hey, you should be happy.
[02:40] <RAOF> Hi LaserJock :)
[02:41] <LaserJock> hi
[02:41] <LaserJock> brb, gotta reboot Windows for a sec for my wifes recipie program ;-)
[02:48] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: you need to get her using gourmet
[02:48] <bddebian> LaserJock: I would have assumed some type of knowing whether I was wanted back or not I guess.  Though sistpoty kind of did that I guess.
[02:53] <LaserJock> bddebian: it's more if you want to be renewed
[02:53] <LaserJock> at least that was my understanding
[02:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: you renew it by the TB giving you a big tick
[02:56] <ajmitch> hello Burgundavia
[02:57] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[02:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: But what is the "process"?
[02:57] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: well, it's a specific program on CD called "Million Recipies", not ones that she's put in
[02:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: sit back & relax, you've seen the MC thread
[02:58] <LaserJock> I *think* I installed it in Wine but it doesn't find the CD (it needs the CD)
[03:04] <ajmitch> alrighty then
[03:07] <joejaxx> :(
[03:07] <poningru> uhoh
[03:07] <poningru> then we're all in trouble
[03:08] <bddebian> w00t
[03:08] <bddebian> :)
[03:08] <joejaxx> :)
[03:08] <joejaxx> abacus ftw :)
[03:09] <joejaxx> hmm
[03:09] <joejaxx> i have finally found out another difference between vmware workstation and server
[03:09] <joejaxx> server does not have video capture capabilites
[03:09] <jdong> joejaxx: also multiple snapshot abilities
[03:09] <ajmitch> mmm, quad core chip...
[03:09] <poningru> joejaxx: also kernel utils
[03:10] <joejaxx> hmm i might have to switch back to workstation for this one
[03:15] <joejaxx> hmm
[03:20] <bddebian> woo hoo she lives
[03:21] <joejaxx> :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> that's useful
[03:22] <joejaxx> ajmitch: what version?
[03:23] <joejaxx> web, standard, enterprise, datacenter, storage?
[03:23] <ajmitch> it's not exactly relevant
[03:38] <zul> happy joy joy..
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> i seem to remember the way to ask for package inclusion changed recently. can someone point me where i need to look for details?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: ubuntu-motu ML
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, thanks :| i'll hope its in the archives :|
[06:26] <TheMuso> Heya Hobbsee.
[06:26] <TheMuso> How goes uni?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> hi TheMuso.  it goes, with lots of assignments
[06:27] <TheMuso> Don't remind me. :)
[06:28] <TheMuso> My uni days are still very fresh in my mind.
[06:28] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:28] <ajmitch> hi australians
[06:28] <TheMuso> Fun.
[06:28] <TheMuso> Hey ajmitch.
[06:28] <RAOF> Hey ajmitch.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hiya Jucato
[06:32] <Jucato> RAOF: if you recalled my RAM problem in #ubuntu+1 yesterday, yeah it was a loose chip :/
[06:32] <RAOF> :)
[06:35] <crimsun> 03 - Upside Down.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 24.0 tag, MP3 encoding
[06:35] <crimsun> that's an interesting ID3 version
[06:35] <TheMuso> heh
[06:35] <ubotu> Debian bug 412513 in file "file: Typo in description of MP3 with ID3 v2.3 tag" [Minor,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/412513
[06:36] <TheMuso> Even with tracks it says some bits have uncorrected errors/skips.
[06:36] <TheMuso> Yet the track sounds perfect.
[06:36] <RAOF> Sandpapering your CD collection?
[06:36] <TheMuso> Must be a good drive as well.
[06:37] <RAOF> Probably.  I like cdparanoia too :)
[06:37] <TheMuso> RAOF: No, a CD I lent to someone and it wasn't treated very well.
[06:37] <RAOF> >:(
[06:37] <TheMuso> Actually, I didn't lend, someone else did without asking :S
[06:37] <TheMuso> Cool.
[06:37] <RAOF> Sadly I don't know a smily more angry than ">:("
[06:38] <crimsun> just use a pointy stick of doom
[06:38] <TheMuso> hahaha
[06:40] <don_j> hey hey
[06:40] <don_j> I'm trying to make a deb package but it aint workin' as expected
[06:40] <crimsun> sorry, I've got a magic pony
[06:42] <don_j> any package maintainers on the line?
[06:43] <TheMuso> Yeah there are many of us here. :)
[06:43] <don_j> cool
[06:43] <TheMuso> don_j: What exactly is the problem?
[06:43] <don_j> I can compile it the 'normal' way (./configure && make && make install) but when I invoke dpkg-buildpackage strange things seems to happen
[06:44] <TheMuso> don_j: Things? What things? Please give some more information.
[06:44] <don_j> its a fresh version of gstreamer
[06:45] <don_j> I'm tryin' to get the new totem erected
[06:46] <TheMuso> don_j: Please patebin any errors you are getting and I can then try to help you further.
[06:46] <TheMuso> pastebin even
[06:47] <don_j> some fresh version of GTK and glib is missing too
[06:49] <don_j> and I'm all new to this dpkg system so I thought you might wanted to do all the hard work
[06:50] <don_j> make[5] : *** [libgstspider.la]  Error 1
[06:50] <ajmitch> that misses the actual error
[06:50] <don_j> should I grep the errors or how do I do it?
[06:51] <don_j> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../..//libxml2.la'  seems to be moved
[06:53] <don_j> Hobbsee: because it's to get a nicer ubuntu image instead of that buggy ol' totem version
[06:53] <crimsun> Hobbsee: well since LP is down for maint, we likely have nothing to do
[06:53] <don_j> undefined reference to `g_type_ class_ref'
[06:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thought you were subscribed to bug lists
[06:54] <TheMuso> don_j: Did you use the original packaging data from the version of totem in Ubuntu?
[06:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: pfft, subscribing to bug lists is for deities!?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> yes.  :P
[06:55] <don_j> not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage too in a the source directory though
[06:56] <don_j> err. not really; I'm runnin' the buildpackage toot in the original source directory though
[06:57] <don_j> tool damnit
[06:58] <RAOF> don_j: Rather than playing 20 questions with you, why don't you try to summarize: (1) What you're trying to do, (2) how you are going about it, (3) pastebin the entire build-log, and optionally (4) why you're doing it in the first place :)
[06:59] <don_j> RAOF: cant you explain how to do it instead?
[06:59] <don_j> #1 I'm trying to update gstreamer
[07:00] <Hobbsee> don_j: that's documented in the packaging guide, for the most part.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> don_j: to explain everything about packaging, when a lot of it's documented anyway, is not terribly sensible w.r.t resource use
[07:01] <don_j> #2 I fetched the gstreamer-0.8.11.tar.gz from ftp.gnome.org
[07:01] <RAOF> Old school :)
[07:02] <don_j> RAOF: yeah
[07:02] <don_j> what log-file?
[07:03] <RAOF> don_j: Not a log file, the entire terminal output that occurs when you dpkg-buildpackage your package.
[07:03] <RAOF> However, Hobbsee has a better idea:
[07:03] <RAOF> You've read the packaging guide, right?
[07:03] <don_j> ./configure GST_LIBS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/ GST_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include/gstreamer-0.8/gst/
[07:04] <RAOF> Nooo!  I didn't mean "paste here" I meant "pastebin"!
[07:04] <don_j> Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.12.0' but version of GLib is 2.10.3
[07:04] <don_j> but that was the ./configure totem step to show some perspective
[07:04] <RAOF> don_j: Isolated snippets don't really give any useful information.
[07:04] <RAOF> !packagingguide | don_j
[07:04] <ubotu> don_j: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:05] <RAOF> You *have* read that, right?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> don_j: so you're building on an old release of gnome, giving us no real useful information, and expect us to hold your hand for every single step?  I think you're dreaming...
[07:05] <don_j> I've alread looked into all that but I still cant get into a deb package
[07:05] <Hobbsee> there's lots of stuff MOTU's already doing.
[07:06] <don_j> RAOF: what's the new version of gstreamer then?
[07:06] <Jucato> Hobbsee: may I quote you on that? :)
[07:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: sure.
[07:07] <Jucato> :D
[07:07] <don_j> Hobbsee: It;s for your own best man
[07:07] <don_j> Hobbsee: I could just skip all the debianization steps
[07:07] <Hobbsee> don_j: how?
[07:07] <Jucato> Hobbsee: j/k... but I'll be mentioning it in my blog :)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not a bad idea, actually.  for an explanation on how to start doing MOTU-type stuff, and what you need
[07:08] <don_j> Hobbsee: by not using that dpkg-buildpackage too
[07:08] <don_j> tool
[07:08] <Jucato> Hobbsee: that's what I'm planning to do with my MOTU series of blog posts :)
[07:09] <RAOF> don_j: It might be worthwhile testing out that supposition.  You'll get the same errors trying to configure that manually, too.  Unless you can build the source normally, you can't expect dpkg-buildpackage to magically fix things.
[07:10] <don_j> RAOF: It works when I build it manually
[07:10] <don_j> at least totem doesnt complain after I build gst manually
[07:11] <Hobbsee> but it doesnt when you use debian packaging, for some unknown reason, which you dont think is important enough to tell us, only the stuff around it.  yay.
[07:11] <don_j> Hobbsee: What log file?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> don_j: the build log
[07:11] <RAOF> Also, I don't see how this will help Ubuntu.  Gstreamer0.8 hasn't been used in Ubuntu since Dapper (or was it Breezy?)
[07:12] <don_j> should I just pipe the output to a file?
[07:12] <don_j> RAOF: Whats the new version then?
[07:12] <RAOF> 0.10
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> the email https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2007-March/001480.html asks to set to wishlist on 'needs packaging' bugs, but afaik most people cant - i know i cant. if theres another public location for that (say the wiki) could it be updated?
[07:15] <don_j> gstreamer-0.10.8.tar.gz then
[07:16] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: i'd presume that one would just omit that instruction, and do the rest.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> (non-motu and people not in -qa cant)
[07:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i did, but non motus will be wanting to request packages, and the instructions will 'fail' for all of them. a simple 'note this can only be done by motus' would be fine
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed.
[07:17] <RAOF> Oooh, launchpad's out of beta.  Cool!
[07:17] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: seeing as it's a ML, it'd have to be copied to a wiki, seeing as most people wouldtn likely find the second message
[07:18] <LaserJock> RAOF: ?
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i'm inclined to agree ;), but i didnt see it under MOTU/
[07:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the new interface
[07:19] <RAOF> LaserJock: Head over to launchpad.net.  For me, everything now uses the beta interface, and I no longer have to strip "beta." from in front of all the links :)
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> those little menu things take their time loading though, thtas going to drive me insane
[07:19] <TheMuso> I hope they did the right thing by turning it on for everybody.
[07:20] <Jucato> ooooh shiny new launchpad
[07:21] <Jucato> roflmao!!! help.launchpad.net is... :D
[07:21] <crimsun> holy hackergotchi stretch, batman
[07:22] <ajmitch> Jucato: hm?
[07:22] <Jucato> roflmao :)
[07:22] <ajmitch> Jucato: I don't see the humour
[07:22] <Jucato> ajmitch: nothing I didn't realize it was an unthemed moinmoin :)
[07:23] <Jucato> (the roflmao was for the hackergotchi)
[07:23] <Jucato> (the 2nd one)
[07:23] <imbrandon> moins all
[07:23] <ajmitch> hi imbrandon
[07:23] <Jucato> moin imbrandon
[07:24] <ajmitch> crimsun: nicely stretched
[07:24] <LaserJock> I put my old hackergotchi back up
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. your right, there is some stretch happening
[07:25] <imbrandon> i've had the same one forever
[07:25] <Jucato> hm... fancy help side panel...
[07:25] <TheMuso> hackergotchis.... pfft
[07:26] <LaserJock> TheMuso: some people appreciate them, I dunno
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, the one taht says "Sorry, help isnt available for this page."? :P
[07:26] <Jucato> Kamping_Kaiser: for which page?
[07:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Jucato, faq :P
[07:27] <Jucato> ah heh :)
[07:27] <imbrandon> whoops fujitsu's python majic dosent like the beta interface :)
[07:28] <LaserJock> heh, this is funny to see people seeing Beta for the first time
[07:29] <imbrandon> LaserJock, hehe yea
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. no help on homepages either :/
[07:29] <imbrandon> when did they roll out? i dident notice since i've had it for a while now
[07:29] <crimsun> about 30 mins ago, if you meant beta.LP going public
[07:29] <imbrandon> crimsun, yup
[07:36] <LaserJock> man, I bet my LP bug mailboxes are going to get pretty busy :-)
[07:37] <Jucato> pretty LP :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> well, this should mean some things I've been wanting to land have finally made it
[07:38] <Jucato> or in this case, to "launch" :)
[07:38] <LaserJock> tag preloading and search by bug contact should be in now
[07:39] <crimsun> yanno, if I could see, in ~/+bugs , those subscribed/assigned bugs for which teams I'm also in, I could just killfile all these LP emails
[07:40] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yay!
[07:44] <LaserJock> well, I did get ~/+bugs to show both assigned and subscribed bugs
[07:47] <LaserJock> hmm, it would have been good if they could have automatically scaled the hackergotchis
[07:47] <don_j> Finally it workd :)
[07:48] <imbrandon> ugh screenscaping sucks
[07:49] <LaserJock> imbrandon: no kidding, what do you need?
[07:49] <ajmitch> since there are no decent photos of me
[07:50] <LaserJock> I took one with the iSight thingy on my iMac at work
[07:50] <LaserJock> that's all I could come up with
[07:51] <imbrandon> LaserJock, i'm trying to adapt the users script that Fujitsu made for the c-b-n
[07:51] <imbrandon> and for some reason its only returning 2 users ;)
[07:51] <LaserJock> c-b-n?
[07:51] <imbrandon> community build network
[07:52] <LaserJock> ah
[07:52] <don_j> now I got a conflict  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-tools
[07:52] <imbrandon> after i fix this , since beta is rolled out i'll poke the LP guys to get a real xml-rpc interface
[07:52] <ajmitch> so that we can use sbuild :)
[07:53] <imbrandon> don_j, seems to be pretty self explinitory
[07:53] <imbrandon> wasup?
[07:53] <imbrandon> ajmitch, right on, yeqa
[07:53] <imbrandon> yea*
[07:53] <don_j> imbrandon: can you hint me to solve it?
[07:54] <imbrandon> remove the dupe file from the package where it dosent belong
[07:55] <don_j> imbrandon: by changing some configuration switch?
[07:55] <imbrandon> e.g. /usr/bin/gst-xmllaunch-0.10 cant be in your package and -tools unless yours replaces/provides -tools
[07:56] <jml> imbrandon: just make sure we know what a real xml-rpc is supposed to look like :)
[07:56] <imbrandon> jml, :)
[07:57] <imbrandon>  /whois jml
[07:57] <imbrandon> err whoops
[07:57] <jml> imbrandon: that's a pretty deep question, I wouldn't expect Freenode to be able to answer it very well :)
[07:58] <imbrandon> hahah :) right on
[07:58] <don_j> imbrandon: thats exactly why I, in the first place, told you to update it heh cuz it seems you are cutting the app. in your own prefered way
[07:58] <imbrandon> don_j, excuse me ? sorry i dont follow?
[07:59] <don_j> imbrandon: not you but the the gst maintainer
[07:59] <imbrandon> hrm ok, i'm sorry i dont know what your trying to do exactly so i'm still not following completely, but ok
[08:00] <RAOF> Hey jml :)
[08:00] <don_j> imbrandon: Im trying to erect the new totem...
[08:00] <jml> RAOF: hey.
[08:01] <RAOF> don_j: Ok, finally.  What do you mean by the "new totem"?  2.18.0?
[08:01] <jml> RAOF: I'm not here to do any packaging, just making sure I'm hanging around LP users :)
[08:01] <don_j> RAOF: yes
[08:01] <RAOF> don_j: That's in Feisty.  There's no need.;
[08:01] <imbrandon> jml, you've come to the right place then :)
[08:02] <imbrandon> don_j, its already in feisty
[08:02] <don_j> RAOF: why isn't it in the 'std' repository then?
[08:03] <imbrandon> jml, can i bug you later about some xml-rpc stuff ? ( not sure your normal operating hours )
[08:03] <imbrandon> don_j, std?
[08:03] <jml> imbrandon: I'm on the Australia east coast. Please feel free to bug me.
[08:03] <RAOF> By "std" you mean Edgy's (or Ubuntu 6.10's) repositories?  The reason is the Edgy has been *released*
[08:03] <don_j> imbrandon: the one configure with ubuntu
[08:03] <don_j> imbrandon: configured
[08:03] <jml> imbrandon: probably the best place to bug me about that is in #launchpad though.
[08:04] <imbrandon> don_j, it is once feisty is released, if you mean why isnt it backported to edgy ( not on by default ) its because thats been released already
[08:04] <don_j> can I just add the Feitsy then?
[08:05] <imbrandon> sure you can upgrade to feisty, its not released yet but its there to use
[08:06] <don_j> imbrandon: by adding that repository?
[08:06] <RAOF> !upgrade | don_j
[08:06] <ubotu> don_j: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:07] <don_j> cool
[08:09] <superm1> imbrandon, u there?
[08:09] <don_j> maybe I should just copy the Live Fietsy image to a smart-card and so it that way instead then
[08:09] <imbrandon> superm1, yup, and i'll have you fixed up before the nights over, i'm working on it now
[08:09] <superm1> imbrandon, thx :)
[08:11] <don_j> s%/Fietsy/Feisty/g
[08:12] <RAOF> don_j: #ubuntu+1 is probably where you want to go for advice/comments on Feisty installation/use.
[08:13] <don_j> ok
[08:15] <don_j> btw may I suggest to put ncftp in the repositories?
[08:15] <RAOF> You may, but it's already in there.
[08:16] <don_j> in Feisty too?
[08:17] <crimsun> !info ncftp feisty
[08:17] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.0-1 (feisty), package size 483 kB, installed size 1092 kB
[08:17] <crimsun> !info ncftp
[08:17] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[08:17] <crimsun> answer your question?
[08:17] <imbrandon> ugh who the hell thought it was a good idea to put n-m in a server install
[08:18] <crimsun> n-m is tolerable; avahi-autoipd is becoming intolerable
[08:18] <imbrandon> AND have it restart networking before its configured from a remote ssh session ?
[08:18] <jussi01> can someone tell me how to change the color of the screen behind the gnome splash at boot?
[08:18] <Lathiat> crimsun: whats wrong with avahi-autoipd?
[08:18] <don_j> my installation must be a dapper then
[08:19] <crimsun> imbrandon: oh, I strip n-m from server installs
[08:19] <imbrandon> crimsun, i do too, untill i just dist-upgraded it and it must be in one of the seeds now
[08:19] <crimsun> Lathiat: I don't think it's avahi-autoipd; I think it's our networking hooks
[08:20] <don_j> !info ircp
[08:20] <ubotu> ircp: Utility for "beaming" files via IRDA. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:20] <imbrandon> Setting up network-manager (0.6.4-6ubuntu4) ...
[08:20] <imbrandon>  * Reloading system message bus config...
[08:20] <imbrandon>    ...done.
[08:20] <imbrandon>  * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager
[08:20] <imbrandon> ... and aurora is now unreachable
[08:20] <crimsun> Lathiat: for instance, across three different networks, there are dhcp servers that are notoriously crappy with providing leases in a timely manner, which means I get an 169.foo nondeterministically
[08:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: well it sounds like your DHCP is timing out
[08:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: it'd break in any case...
[08:21] <Lathiat> crimsun: you just wouldnt have an IP at all.
[08:21] <LaserJock> imbrandon: yeah, gotta watch out for n-m on remote machines :(
[08:21] <LaserJock> I did that the other day
[08:22] <crimsun> Lathiat: yes, that's part of the issue. I'm having this problem across _all_ networks, however, on both dist-upgraded installs and fresh 7.04 Beta installs
[08:22] <crimsun> Lathiat: meaning I nondeterministically get a 169.foo even if I actually do see a dhcp lease
[08:22] <crimsun> s/lease/offer/
[08:22] <Lathiat> crimsun: ah, interesting.
[08:23] <imbrandon> i wonder if i have someone reset that box if it will come back, it has a static in the /etc/network/interfaces
[08:23] <Lathiat> it shouldnt break anything tho
[08:23] <imbrandon> so i dont have to drive out there
[08:27] <don_j> !info mplayer
[08:27] <ubotu> mplayer: The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 2:0.99+1.0pre8-0ubuntu8 (edgy), package size 3461 kB, installed size 8624 kB
[08:27] <don_j> you guys rocks!
[08:42] <don_j> how do I get the source packages for the default idle-screens?
[08:42] <imbrandon> apt-get source <package>
[08:43] <Hobbsee> figure out the package name, apt-get source packagename.
[08:43] <imbrandon> heya gurl, how goes it
[08:43] <crimsun> funny, I actually executed /wi gurl
[08:44] <imbrandon> heh
[08:44] <LaserJock> lol
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> wi?
[08:44] <crimsun> /whois
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh
[08:44] <TheMuso> heh
[08:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah that's crap
[08:45] <ajmitch> (about aurora going byebye)
[08:45] <ajmitch> I had the same thing with my box at home yesterday, and it's a static eth0 config
[08:46] <imbrandon> yea its all good now, i had the tech at the other place reset it to bring it back up
[08:46] <ajmitch> insanity
[08:46] <imbrandon> yea its shitty
[08:46] <ajmitch> ifup eth0 would do it
[08:46] <ajmitch> but NM had to go & kill it
[08:46] <imbrandon> well they would requite i make an account for them or give them mine
[08:46] <imbrandon> require*
[08:46] <ajmitch> ugh
[08:47] <LaserJock> you'd think they'd get rid of n-m for at least the server seed
[08:47] <imbrandon> so i just had him power cycle it , it came back ok though
[08:47] <ajmitch> only hand out root to people you know & trust
[08:47] <ajmitch> like random people in NZ ;)
[08:47] <imbrandon> no one has root but you and me
[08:47] <LaserJock> heh
[08:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:47] <LaserJock> I don't think ajmitch is random
[08:47] <LaserJock> although he is in NZ
[08:47] <LaserJock> which is close
[08:47] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:48] <ajmitch> foolish people, trusting me
[08:48] <imbrandon> yea thats why i had them power cycle it , and not give them a passwd
[08:48] <imbrandon> anyhow its back now, brb smoke break
[08:49] <crimsun> (oh crap, a mini-ajmitch sitting in /usr/lib/f-spot/libfspot.so.0.0.0 !)
[08:49] <crimsun> ;-)
[08:49] <ajmitch> hehe
[08:49] <imbrandon> btw ajmitch got a sec for some python ? i made a few minor mods to the lpusers script from Fujitsu to work with beta , but for some reason its only returning 2 users now
[08:50] <ajmitch> k
[08:50] <imbrandon> if you have time to look its in /home/imbrandon/lpusers.py ( on aurora )
[08:50] <LaserJock> you need spares?
[08:51] <ajmitch> sure
[08:51] <ajmitch> a terminal for each box I login to, and then run screen on each :)
[08:52] <don_j> glsnake.c ;)
[08:52] <siretart> morning folks
[08:52] <crimsun> mm, I like how the new LP bug emails list the reason for receiving the emails at the bottom
[08:52] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[08:52] <crimsun> 'lo
[08:52] <ajmitch> crimsun: that's finally useful
[08:52] <siretart> hi ajmitch, crimsun, imbrandon!
[08:54] <imbrandon> heya siretart
[08:56] <imbrandon> i really should invest in a sshable powerstrip ;)
[08:56] <ajmitch> yep :)
[08:58] <imbrandon> with 24 hours staff on jabber though its nice , almost as good as a sshable powerstrip ;)
[08:58] <imbrandon> kinda like powercycle over jabber ;)
[08:58] <ajmitch> imbrandon: so has the new beta UI screwed up the script?
[08:59] <imbrandon> yea a tad
[08:59] <ajmitch> s/beta/1.0/
[08:59] <imbrandon> ---> other chan
[09:07] <pef> hello
[09:07] <imbrandon> hello pef
[09:25] <ajmitch> dholbach!
[09:25] <dholbach> good morning
[09:25] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:25] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:25] <imbrandon> heya dholbach
[09:25] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[09:25] <dholbach> good good - how are y'all?
[09:25] <dholbach> how was your WE?
[09:26] <ajmitch> good, was visiting family
[09:26] <ajmitch> how about your weekend?
[09:27] <imbrandon> good, i'm finaly off weekends and on a normal schedule at work after 6 months ;)
[09:27] <imbrandon> so its time to start crankin hard for me and ubuntu ;)
[09:27] <ajmitch> yay!
[09:27] <ajmitch> haha
[09:28] <imbrandon> lol
[09:28] <imbrandon> ( or atleaste getting some sleep )
[09:28] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rockin
[09:28] <ajmitch> yeah, one of which would involve a bit of ubuntu work
[09:28] <ajmitch> the other being sysadmin of (mainly) debian boxes
[09:29] <imbrandon> nice
[09:30] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm considering it
[09:31] <dholbach> very good - beautiful weather in berlin, lots outside, so I'm happy :)
[09:33] <imbrandon> dholbach, cool, yea it is here too, been 70 F to 75 F here all week
[09:33] <dholbach> nice
[09:33] <TheMuso> Very nice time of year here in Australia/Sydney. Warm days, but cool nights.
[09:34] <imbrandon> dholbach, you see the new LP 1.0 got rolls out for the general public tonight ?
[09:35] <TheMuso> Isn't it a public beta?
[09:35] <dholbach> oh yeah
[09:35] <imbrandon> TheMuso, nah its for everyone now
[09:35] <ajmitch> hence "public"
[09:35] <imbrandon> heh well yea
[09:36] <imbrandon> but a website you cant exactly install an "old version" as a user
[09:36] <imbrandon> so its rolled
[09:36] <imbrandon> :)
[11:15] <Lure> imbrandon: did you have time to look into bug 75435 debdiff?
[11:15] <ubotu> Malone bug 75435 in digikam "Gnome and KDE trash are incompatible.  Was: usdigikam expects trash to be in ~/Desktop/Trash - causes error in Ubuntu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75435
[11:25] <imbrandon> Lure, i thought keescook did them both, i'll get it right now
[11:25] <Lure> imbrandon: nope, he did just gtk-qt-engine
[11:25] <imbrandon> kk
[11:25] <Lure> imbrandon: thanks
[11:25] <imbrandon> np
[11:36] <imbrandon> Lure, uploaded
[11:43] <crimsun> sorry, I don't have ops in -devel
[11:43] <crimsun> I believe fabbione and keybuk do, however
[11:43] <crimsun> you really want an ircop, though
[11:43] <crimsun> imbrandon, jenda, nalioth, etc.
[11:43] <imbrandon> working on it, i dont seem to either
[11:51] <gnomefreak> none of the normal ops have ops in devel
[11:51] <gnomefreak> maybe Sevea^s
[11:52] <imbrandon> well freenode staff wasent on the list either so i couldent even op that way ( nor could others )
[11:52] <imbrandon> without operserv access that is :)
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Sevea^s could have, as he should know the password, and can tell Freenode staff to do stuff.
[11:54] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, imbrandon , jenda , RichH all are freenode staff heheh but without @freenode/staff/* on the list its kinda hard to op up without opersev access ( not all staff have that )
[11:54] <BugMaN> hi
[11:54] <imbrandon> hello
[11:54] <BugMaN> someone can control this patch (its my second patch ever) malone #96326
[11:55] <ubotu> Malone bug 96326 in php-html-template-it "[UNMETDEPS]  php-html-template-it has unmet dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96326
[11:55] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: You're staff!?
[11:55] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, yes , have been for a few months now :)
[11:55] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[11:55] <Fujitsu> I knew of the last two.
[11:55] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Wow!
[11:56] <crimsun> I think I knew of imbrandon being staff before I knew of jenda being staff
[11:56] <imbrandon> yea i was about 2 months before jenda iirc ( not that it really matters )
[11:56] <crimsun> err, nautilus just exploded copying a 4.5 GB mkv onto FAT32.
[11:57] <imbrandon> fat32 dosent like files bigger than 4GB does it ?
[11:57] <Fujitsu> Heheheh.
[11:57] <TheMuso> FAT32 is 2GB afaik.
[11:58] <imbrandon> i knew it was something like that
[12:35] <TheMuso> Lovely. Apt-file can't be installed.
[12:36] <gnomefreak> on feisty?
[12:37] <TheMuso> gnomefreak: Yeah.
[12:37] <gnomefreak> it works here if you use apt-file :)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ill tell you for sure in like a minute
[12:38] <TheMuso> Hang on, I'll run apt-get update again
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Setting up apt-file (<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1) ...
[12:39] <TheMuso> Yeah ok.
[12:39] <TheMuso> Probably newer deps or something.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> if you used capped A than it will fail
[12:39] <TheMuso> No I didn't.
[12:39] <TheMuso> Anyways
[12:40] <TheMuso> Ok probably to do with the fact that I hada broken package partially installed. :)
[12:42] <gnomefreak> could be
[12:52] <Lure> imbrandon: ta
[12:53] <imbrandon> np
[01:08] <pochu> heya!
[01:08] <mr_pouit> hi pochu
[01:08] <TheMuso> Hey pochu.
[01:08] <pochu> hey mr_pouit
[01:08] <pochu> hi TheMuso :)
[01:39] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[01:44] <sacater> does anyone here know who maintains the 'vegastrike' package
[01:44] <imbrandon> sacater, is it in main or universe ?
[01:44] <Fujitsu> Universe, I believe.
[01:44] <Fujitsu> !info vegastrike feisty
[01:44] <Fujitsu> sacater: Why?
[01:44] <ubotu> vegastrike: A 3d space combat game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.3-5ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4801 kB, installed size 12272 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc mips mipsel s390 alpha arm ia64 hppa amd64 ppc64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[01:44] <imbrandon> then MOTU does :)
[01:45] <imbrandon> only avil for 500 arches, classic
[01:45] <StevenK> It doesn't list hurd-i386 :-P
[01:45] <imbrandon> lol
[01:46] <ajmitch> poor bddebian
[01:50] <sacater> Fujitsu: just interested
[02:17] <jekil> hello
[02:17] <Fujitsu> Hi jekil.
[02:20] <TheMuso> Lutin: Sorry, I just fixed a bug, that I realised was assigned to you only after I uploaded a fix.
[02:30] <RAOF> Wow, the X server really hates the braid screensaver.
[02:39] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[02:40] <pochu> good night TheMuso!
[02:42] <Hobbsee> night TheMuso
[03:29] <BugMaN> someone can check this diff, its my first "merge"... maybe i make some mistakes... thanks -> Malone #101893
[03:30] <crimsun> bug 101893
[03:30] <Jucato> bot down :)
[03:30] <crimsun> bah
[03:30] <BugMaN> :)
[03:31] <BugMaN> Malone bug 101893 in asp "please merge asp 1.8-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/101893
[03:32] <crimsun> aside from trivial whitespace formatting, looks fine
[03:32] <BugMaN> crimsun: wow :)
[03:32] <StevenK> Oh damn, bug numbers have hit 6 digits.
[03:32] <crimsun> hmm
[03:33] <crimsun> ah, that's buggered.
[03:34] <crimsun> BugMaN: the merge needs to maintain the original debian/changelog entry from -6, and you'd add to that the ubuntu changes -> -6ubuntu1
[03:34] <BugMaN> crimsun: ah ok
[03:35] <BugMaN> crimsun: then only maintener change
[03:35] <crimsun> BugMaN: yes.
[03:35] <BugMaN> crimsun: i remake the debdiff :-)
[03:39] <PhinnFort> !ping
[03:39] <PhinnFort> !java
[03:40] <ubotu> pong
[03:40] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[03:47] <BugMaN> crimsun: i remake the debdiff it's correct?
[03:54] <BugMaN> crimsun:maybe i make another error, tomorrow i remake debdiff... bye
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:28] <imbrandon> hey bddebian
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:28] <Jucato> hi bddebian, hi imbrandon
[04:28] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:44] <chillywilly> where can I download the latest bazaar?
[04:44] <chillywilly> I know I saw somewhere where jbailey had made some packages
[04:44] <chillywilly> can't find it now
[04:45] <Nafallo> chillywilly: bazaar-vcs.org has a repo. feisty has the latest aswell.
[04:57] <tepsipakki> for motu-uvf: bug 101922
[04:58] <tepsipakki> so, ubotu is having a day off ;)
[05:00] <crimsun> (commented)
[05:01] <tepsipakki> crimsun: thanks!
[05:03] <Jucato> good day/evening! currently trying to learn how to package (and probably become a MOTU?) and keeping a sort of journal of what I'm learning on my blog. I have a list questions, found the answers, but I'm a bit stumped on 2 of them.
[05:05] <Jucato> 1. What is the bare/lowest minimum requirement, in terms of Linux knowledge, does need in learning how to package?
[05:06] <Jucato> 2. How do you test a package you built w/ pbuilder? Test in terms of "it installs properly" and "it runs properly/doesn't crash"
[05:06] <crimsun> 1 -> You need to know what Linux is.
[05:07] <crimsun> 2 -> See pbuilder hooks. Test install/remove/upgrade at the _very_ least. Testing execution is preferred.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Jucato: 1.  + knowledge of how to use man
[05:07] <Hobbsee> (seeing as google isnt a linux-only thing)
[05:07] <Jucato> hehe of course other than knowing what linux is. I mean, compiling from source, directories, bash stuff, etc? what do most MOTU's presume you know already?
[05:07] <zul>   /win 10
[05:08] <Jucato> crimsun: using pbuilder hooks, I can install and run the package? full GUI? (/me doesn't know the proper terms)
[05:08] <Hobbsee> Jucato: any of that is good.  any of that you build on.  if you dont have bits of them, you pick it up
[05:09] <Jucato> hm... ok... :)
[05:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: serious about the use of man? :D
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :D
[05:13] <Hobbsee> man foo works just fine
[05:13] <Jucato> man:/foo works even better :D
[05:15] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:53] <Toadstool> g'morning everybody
[05:53] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[05:54] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[06:20] <_MMA_> Im sorry. OT but just too funny not to share: http://ninjapants.org/files/can%20you%20defeat%20my%20wu%20tang%20style.gif
[06:23] <dholbach> slomo, ajmitch, siretart, crimsun: i cleaned up the motu-uvf bug lists - can you have another look too?
[06:27] <bddebian> dholbach: Yeah, kick someone to do the darn syncs will ya? ;-)
[06:29] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:33] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:34] <LaserJock> _MMA_: that is pretty darn funny
[06:36] <bddebian> That is funny!
[06:36] <_MMA_> :)
[06:39] <bddebian> dholbach: Am I supposed to subscribe archive to that now? (i.e. splashy-themes) ??
[06:39] <dholbach> if it's a sync sure
[06:44] <bddebian> OK, thx
[07:34] <Burgwork> ajmitch: poor fedora people, still struggling with zope and python 2.4
[07:34] <dexem_> Hi, I'm trying to build OpenOffice.org, and I'm having problems... it says that zlib is not functional. I have correctly installed build dependencies packages so, what could be happening?
[07:36] <enyc> dexem_: erm... have you "sudo apt-get build-dep {package}" for the relevant source pagckages?
[07:36] <dexem_> enyc: yes
[07:36] <enyc> dexem_: oh yes... misread what you said ;-)
[07:36] <dexem_> ;)
[07:37] <enyc> dexem_: what is the error exactly ?
[07:37] <enyc> dexem_: Ive never actually built openoffice.org myself... but done various other things... be helpful to others if you have the exact error
[07:37] <dexem_> checking for deflate in -lz... no
[07:37] <dexem_> configure: error: zlib not found or functional
[07:38] <dexem_> but
[07:38] <dexem_> checking zlib.h usability... no
[07:38] <dexem_> checking zlib.h presence... yes
[07:38] <dexem_> checking for zlib.h... yes
[07:38] <dexem_> :P
[07:38] <enyc> dexem_: thats weird... -lz  should load zlib headers... hrrm...
[07:38] <enyc> dexem_: are you trying to beild stock-version rather than ubuntu-source  or a different version/architecture ??
[07:39] <dexem_> no, I'm using everything from ubuntu repositories (for my arch)
[07:40] <mr_pouit> whe the latest revision of a package is 1.0-1build1, the next is 1.0-1build2 or 1.0-1ubuntu1?
[07:40] <mr_pouit> when*
[07:40] <gnomefreak> does apt-get source -b package build it?
[07:41] <gnomefreak> mr_pouit: i would say build
[07:41] <mr_pouit> gnomefreak: ok, thanks
[07:41] <dexem_> gnomefreak: I was using apt-build
[07:41] <gnomefreak> dexem_: feisty?
[07:42] <dexem_> yes
[07:42] <dexem_> dunno
[07:43] <enyc> dexem_: notice that openoffice.org has problems with 64bit...  is this sorted now??
[07:43] <dexem_> I'm using 32 bits platform
[07:43] <ogra> mr_pouit, that depends on the change
[07:43] <enyc> kk..
[07:44] <ogra> mr_pouit, -XbuildX should only be used for plain rebuilds without change ... -XubuntuX always if there is a change (the XubuntuX part is what triggers mom)
[07:45] <mr_pouit> ogra: ok, so -1ubuntu1 (it is a debdiff for a .desktop)
[07:45] <gnomefreak> mr_pouit: most of time apt-cache policy packagename will giv eyou the installed version and newest version
[07:46] <ogra> mr_pouit, right ...
[07:49] <illovae> hello
[08:03] <keescook> ajmitch: are there any good Ubuntu-specific "here's how to use SELinux" docs?  wiki.u.c only shows development notes
[08:16] <slytherin> crimsun: ping
[08:16] <geser> siretart: do you know why tauware.de sometimes takes 1-2 days to deliver u-u-s mails?
[08:16] <slytherin> ajmitch: ping
[08:18] <siretart> geser: is it tiber.tauware.de or freiburg.tauware.de which takes so long?
[08:19] <slytherin> siretart: ping
[08:20] <siretart> slytherin: no need to ping, I'm here
[08:20] <slytherin> siretart: may I bug you for vote on a UVF bug? :-)
[08:21] <siretart> slytherin: bug?
[08:22] <slytherin> siretart: bug 95153
[08:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 95153 in devede "Please sync to latest version 2.12 for feisty" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95153
[08:24] <superm1> keescook, is there going to be any chance at my patch for pvr150 blaster making it in - or is stuck from feature freeze?
[08:25] <keescook> superm1: I'm going to look at it today, I suspect it'll get in.  :)
[08:25] <superm1> keescook, cool, great :)
[08:25] <superm1> keescook, i'm still waiting on BenC to look over the kernel patch i made as well.  i'm not sure that will make it
[08:25] <superm1> keescook, considering kernel freeze is thursday
[08:31] <geser> siretart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13555/ shows the received headers
[08:42] <siretart> geser: is it only today or when did you notice this first?
[08:43] <geser> it happens now and then and only for some mails
[08:43] <geser> the first time was some weeks ago
[08:43] <siretart> hm. I don't see anything strange here
[08:49] <geser> according to my mailbox I see it since the beginning of march
[08:50] <geser> the longest delay was 6 days: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:50:53 +0100 -> Sun, 11 Mar 2007 06:40:41 +0100
[08:51] <geser> it only happens once or twice a day
[08:56] <siretart> wow
[09:05] <ajmitch> morning
[09:06] <ajmitch> keescook: not terribly much info on that
[09:08] <keescook> ajmitch: do you have any interest in writing something like that up?  I want to get selinux installed in a VM now, since I've got AppArmor in another.  :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> keescook: yeah, why not? :)
[09:13] <ajmitch> I'll try & add on another hour or two to the day
[09:13] <keescook> ajmitch: Heh, cool.  I'm going to be collecting something similar for AppArmor, since I've gotten some training on how to use it now.  :)
[09:14] <keescook> agreed: too few hours.
[09:14] <ajmitch> lucky you :)
[09:14] <ajmitch> I've just had chats with rjc & listened to him at lca
[09:20] <ajmitch> oh I see crispin cowan had to write about apparmour on the list
[09:20] <ajmitch> that's one thing that puts me off using it ;)
[09:31] <ajmitch> well, release is close
[09:32] <ajmitch> that means we *really* have to get working
[09:33] <geser> is there a fixed date for the universe freeze?
[09:33] <geser> all I know is it's the last week before release
[09:34] <ajmitch> I can't recall if it was agreed on or not
[09:34] <ajmitch> we'll find out soon :)
[09:42] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: I can't respond to queries. What's the bug #/issue?
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: you're not registered ?
[09:43] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: no bug #, can you read my query ?
[09:44] <crimsun> yes, but I'm not identified, and I have no pressing desire to recover the password.
[09:44] <boitono> I recently upgraded a server from dapper to edgy and one of the packages we rely on, otrs, was downgraded from 2.0.4 to 1.33~.  I found that otrs 1.33~ was added to the edgy repository and took the name otrs and otrs 2.0.4 was renamed otrs2. Why did this happen? Can anyone give me some more info?
[09:44] <boitono> should this be filed as a bug?
[09:45] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: the reason I pinged you in here is precisely due to my reading your query.
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: ok, so you remember me and my issue with sound ?
[09:46] <crimsun> no, I don't.
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> grrr
[09:46] <crimsun> I triage about 200 audio bugs per day.
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> yep
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> ok, so, 1 month ago
[09:46] <Sp4rKy> on a ACER Aspire 5100
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> alsa doesn't works
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> only oss
[09:47] <Sp4rKy> you patch the kernel, but after update , always the same issue
[09:50] <bddebian> boitono: I don't know the package but I would guess that they probably had some packages still depending on the older version 1.33 but wanted the newer version as well so they kept two seperate packages.
[09:50] <welshbyte> boitono: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367959 explains it
[09:50] <ubotu> Debian bug 367959 in wnpp "ITP: otrs2 -- Open Ticket Request System version 2" [Wishlist,Closed]
[09:51] <bddebian> Or, there's that
[09:51] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: you need to give me more info than that.
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: what do you want ?
[09:51] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: you asked me for a lot of output but i don't remember what at all
[09:53] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: http://bulletproof.servebeer.com/alsa/scripts/alsa-info.sh . Use --with-all
[09:53] <Sp4rKy> ok :)
[09:53] <boitono> that's all fine but ti breaks existing OTRS installations....
[09:54] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/421347
[09:55] <boitono> Also, I found the package seems to violate configuration file location policy by placing some of the config files in /usr/share/otrs/Kernel/Config/Files and not symlinking them
[09:55] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: err, you're not using the latest publicly available kernel. Why not?
[09:55] <Sp4rKy> hu N
[09:55] <Sp4rKy> ?
[09:56] <crimsun> Kernel release:    2.6.20-12-genericKernel release:    2.6.20-12-generic  <--
[09:56] <crimsun> (sorry for the dupe)
[09:57] <Sp4rKy> ohh indeed
[09:57] <Sp4rKy> i upgrade :)
[10:00] <crimsun> mmm, new udev has some shiny features
[10:00] <crimsun> 'SYMLINKs may now have per-device priorities specified with OPTIONS="link_priority=100", removal of a device means that the symlink will be changed to point at the device with the next highest priority.'
[10:00] <welshbyte> boitono: sounds worthy of a bug report to me
[10:01] <crimsun> this could well wipe out the audio device persistence issue
[10:06] <ajmitch> crimsun: is this new udev in feisty?
[10:06] <crimsun> ajmitch: yep.
[10:07] <ajmitch> useful
[10:10] <crimsun> well, at least siretart reported success
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah, I haven't had time to reboot my system
[10:10] <ajmitch> which uses / on LVM on RAID
[10:10] <siretart> its not only udev, but it seems that my system is booting again
[10:10] <crimsun> nor me, keep getting accosted by audio bugs ;)
[10:35] <Sp4rKy> crimsun: i just upgraded,and alsa works now :) really sorry to disturb you
[10:35] <crimsun> np.
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> :)
[10:42] <bddebian> Don't let it happen again! :-)
[10:42] <bddebian> Only I'm allowed to disturb him.
[10:45] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[10:51] <bddebian> :)
[10:55] <superm1> imbrandon, any word on the acct?
[11:41] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:41] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[11:53] <bddebian> Later folks