[00:07] <Amaranth> pwnguin: I think you just add the appropriate tags to that bug
[00:44]  * Hobbsee waves
[00:49] <ion_> sinewaves
[00:49]  * Hobbsee sends tan waves back
[05:17] <Romes> er... yeah.... this might be a bit off topic, so don't feel obligated to respond...
[05:18] <Romes> I just ventured in here to say thanks for all the hard work! I'm new to Ubuntu (and linux in general), and I can only imagine the scale of projects like this... so... thanks!!!
[05:19] <Romes> oh, and keep up the good work ;)
[05:38] <StratPlayedBlue> anyone know anything about getting things to compile with SSP?
[05:43] <StratPlayedBlue> what a good channel to get some programming help? i've got a problem compiling something i wrote with stack overflow protection
[05:46] <elkbuntu> StratPlayedBlue, many popular languages have a channel on freenode (eg, ##c, #python)
[05:48] <StratPlayedBlue> elkbuntu: yeah i've asked in ##c but it's actually a pam module i wrote complaining about missing symbol __stack_chk_fail_local
[05:49] <Burgundavia> StratPlayedBlue: there is an Ubuntu hardened mailing list
[05:49] <joejaxx> Burgundavia: not very active :P
[05:49] <StratPlayedBlue> lol
[05:50] <joejaxx> but i would post anyway
[05:52] <StratPlayedBlue> i wonder if there is a #pam-module-has-missing-ssp-symbol channel
[05:53] <joejaxx> :)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> so quiet....
[11:25] <stgraber> and it'll be so noisy next week :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:25] <Hobbsee> that'll be fun
[11:26] <afflux> what's next week?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> people are back
[11:26] <Hobbsee> or at least, after tuesday
[11:26] <afflux> ah, see.
[11:26] <stgraber> everyone coming back from holiday with tons of bugs :)
[11:28] <stgraber> and lots of updates (as soon as the buildds start working again)
[11:28] <\sh> hey Hobbsee :)
[11:28] <Hobbsee> yeah well
[11:28] <Hobbsee> would be nice to get teh buildds fixed
[11:28] <Hobbsee> heya \sh!
[11:29] <\sh> did anybody see the same strange things I have with my pbuilder? error messages because of the mount options of /var and some errors during update after libc6 tries to setup?
[11:30] <elmo> what's wrong with the buildds?
[11:31] <stgraber> E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libstdc++6
[11:31] <Hobbsee> elmo: check any recent build for hardy
[11:31] <afflux> \sh: I just updated my hardy pbuilder, it looks good.
[11:31] <elmo> is that not just a package problem?
[11:32] <elmo> AFAIK that indicates an unresolvable depends or pre-depends cycle
[11:32] <\sh> afflux: try to create a new one ;)
[11:32] <Kmos> and palmer is not available..
[11:32] <\sh> afflux: on hardy that is..
[11:32] <elmo> palmer is not available until someone fixes ebug-http
[11:32] <elmo> (or someone tells me LP magic to make sure ebug-http isn't retried)
 +There's also a new tzdata which apt isn't smart enough to get, so the following will sort the chroots out `apt-get install libc6 tzdata && apt-get dist-upgrade'
[11:33] <Hobbsee> elmo: can you kill it from teh archive theN/
[11:33] <Hobbsee> urgh, caps.
[11:33]  * Fujitsu appears.
[11:33] <elmo> I could fix the chroots but is there no core-dev around to fix the archive?  I kinda think apt-get dist-upgrade should just work
[11:34] <Hobbsee> elmo: no one else, apart from \sh, appears to have reproduced the error.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> elmo: I can't work out why it won't work, but installing libc6 manually resolves it all.
[11:34] <Hobbsee> on a normal system, it's not breaking.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> And I've only seen it in the buildd chroots.
[11:34] <\sh> Fujitsu: I had it on my chroots on this emt64 system too, during update
[11:34] <persia> elmo: An updated libc can't be built to fix the problem, because libc doesn't work.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> persia: That too.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> \sh: Hmmm...
[11:35] <\sh> creating a new chroot won't work because of some strange "/dev/null is not existing" and "/var is mounted noexec,nodev" foo bar
[11:35] <\sh> I'll downgraded to gutsy and have to recreate everything from scratch and check again after upgrade to hardy
[11:36] <elmo> let me grab the buildd chroot and see if I can reproduce it locally
[11:36] <elmo> is there a bug on libc6 about it yet?
[11:36] <Fujitsu> I don't think it's a libc6 bug.
[11:36] <persia> elmo: It seems only to affect the buildds: non-buildd chroots haven't shown the error.
[11:36] <Fujitsu> I've played around with the buildd chroot, but can't work out what apt thinks it's doing.
[11:36] <Fujitsu> persia: \sh says otherwise.
[11:36] <\sh> persia: I#m not having any buildd style chroots here
[11:37] <Fujitsu> \sh: How out of date was the chroot you tried to upgrade?
[11:37] <persia> \sh: And you get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libstdc++6".  Interesting.  I thought you were having the debootstrap issue.
[11:37] <\sh> Fujitsu: 2 days ... I killed everything yesterday night
[11:38] <Fujitsu> That's strange, as I did a very similar upgrade to my hardy sbuild chroot this morning, and it worked fine.
[11:38] <\sh> persia: I got two issues...first during update...with libc6...it complains about "libc6 not being part of dpkg installed bla"...
[11:38] <\sh> persia: second is trying to create a new chroot..which failes because of some strange behaviour of "/var being mounted noexec,nodev" ...
[11:39] <persia> \sh: That sounds slightly different to me, but maybe it's the same issue.
[11:39] <\sh> but I always think it's me or my machine which gives me a bad time..so I'm trying to reproduce it
[11:39] <\sh> most of the time the problem of the issue is sitting in front of the screen
[11:40] <\sh> osi layer 9 ,-)
[11:40] <Fujitsu> IIRC, (at least on i386) it happens because the new libstdc++6 wants lib64gcc1, which wants libc6-amd64, which wants the new libc6, which apt doesn't decide to install before it tries to install the rest. Installing libc6 manually and dist-upgrading works flawlessly.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure why apt decides to do what it does, though
[11:41] <Hobbsee> sounds like X, just with shorter names.
[11:41] <\sh> Fujitsu: hmm...why does apt want to install 64bit stuff on i386?
[11:42] <Fujitsu> \sh: Because libstdc++6 wants it.
[11:42] <\sh> bah...easter egg xmas present...
[11:44] <\sh> looks like it's the time  of the year where someone needs to buy new toys like nokia 6500 classic ,-)
[11:44] <elmo> ok, it's trivially reproducable with the buildd chroots
[11:45] <Fujitsu> Right, I think a number of us have downloaded the tarball and reproduced it.
[11:45] <Fujitsu> elmo: I think you want bug #165041 for that ebug-http thing.
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165041 in soyuz "Please allow manually marking packages 'failed'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165041
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: file a bug saying "please implement cancelling builds" too
[11:46] <elmo> Fujitsu: well, the buildd chroot isn't special, except in terms of versions
[11:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: It's there.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahh
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it hasn't loaded for me yet.
[11:46] <elmo> Fujitsu: right?  I guess I'm confused by y'all saying it's specific to buildds
[11:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: No, not that bug. There's another bug for that.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> ahh
[11:46] <elmo> if we can agree it isn't, and get a bug filed on libc6, I can look at "fixing" the chroots
[11:47] <Fujitsu> elmo: I said I've only been able to reproduce it in the i386 buildd chroot, but most hardy systems and chroots seem to have upgraded through that without an issue.
[11:47] <Fujitsu> It could well apply to other system.s
[11:47] <Fujitsu> But the buildds are likely to be special, in that they're not upgraded frequently.
[11:48] <elmo> yikes
[11:48] <Fujitsu> ?
[11:48] <elmo> apt-get install libc6 without tzdata wants to pullout both tzdata and util-linux
[11:48] <Fujitsu> Right, because it conflicts with tzdata << whatever-2
[11:48] <Fujitsu> And apt is dumb.
[11:48] <Fujitsu> (the dist-upgrade still doesn't work even with just the new tzdata)
[11:49] <elmo> no, apt's not dumb
[11:49] <elmo> it's working as documented
[11:49] <\sh> Fujitsu: don't say this...it could be used against us ,-)
[11:49] <elmo> whoever put the conflicts into libc6 was ... misguided
[11:49] <Fujitsu> elmo: It's in Debian...
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Debian bug #455783
[11:50] <ubotu> Debian bug 455783 in libc6 "Script tzdata.postinst fails: /usr/bin/tzconfig not found" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/455783
[11:50] <Fujitsu> I thought it a bit odd too, but it seems to work most of the time.
[11:52] <elmo> conflicts has special meanings for essential packages, even virtually essential ones
[11:52] <Fujitsu> Oh dear.
[11:54] <Fujitsu> Even so, that's not the main cause of the failure.
[11:57] <elmo> yeah it is?
[11:57] <elmo> at least from my reading of debug::pkgorderlist=1
[11:58] <Fujitsu> Is it? Installing tzdata doesn't resolve the dist-upgrade issue.
[11:58] <Fujitsu> Or is it being extra-special even when it's not conflicting?
[11:59] <elmo> hmm
[12:07] <Fujitsu> elmo: Note that hackishly adding to libstdc++6 a pre-depends on the new libc6 convinces it to work, for some odd reason.
[12:18] <elmo> yeah, ok, I give up, there does seem to be some element of a possible apt bug here - I'll start figuring out how to upgrade the chroots
[12:19] <elmo> can anyone else mass give back stuff, or do I need to do that too?  (not sure if there's a web ui for it yet - or if anyone else is around)
[12:19] <Fujitsu> elmo: No web UI.
[12:19] <elmo> k
[12:19] <Fujitsu> AFAIK a sysadmin or DBA has to do it.
[12:21] <Kmos> I think i've fixed the ebug-http =)
[12:22] <geser> or a click marathon
[12:23] <elmo> Current default timezone: 'Africa/Abidjan'
[12:23] <elmo> hmm
[12:24] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[12:25]  * Fujitsu missed that when he upgraded it.
[12:34] <Kmos> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11082313/ebug-http_0.31-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[12:34] <Kmos> can someone check this one ?
[12:34] <Kmos> Trying patch debian/patches/win32_ftbfs.patch at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.
[12:34] <Kmos> ups
[12:36] <Hobbsee> ...
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Better that it fails to build than hangs, I guess.
[12:37] <Kmos> :)
[12:37] <Kmos> i'm fixing it
[12:37] <Hobbsee> Kmos: you asked that over 2 channels, before even testing the patch?
[12:38] <Kmos> Hobbsee: the patch works.. the patch system is not working
[12:38] <persia> Kmos: The patch may work: the debdiff doesn't work.
[12:38] <Kmos> persia: i'm fixing it .. sorry
[12:48] <elmo> ok, i386 is building again
[12:49] <persia> elmo: Thank you
[12:49] <elmo> doing at least amd64 too, the others may have to wait for a real buildd admin, unless anyone's particularly bothered
[12:49] <Fujitsu> elmo: Thankyou muchly.
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Is there any other real buildd admin than Adam?
[12:51] <elmo> Fujitsu: nope
[12:51] <elmo> Fujitsu: (there are others who can do what I've just done, but it's really Adam who should be doing it)
[12:51] <Fujitsu> That's what I thought.
[12:52] <Fujitsu> (although I thought there were three others...)
[12:52] <Kmos> how about a mass give back ?
[12:52] <Fujitsu> Erm, I misread, oops.
[12:53] <elmo> Kmos: done for i386
[12:53] <Fujitsu> We're not too far behind, fortunately.
[12:53] <Kmos> elmo: thanks
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Though with palmer gone...
[12:53] <elmo> Fujitsu: so, there are plenty of folks who can do give backs and 'buildd admin'y stuff, but Adam's the one who does and should be doing chroot management
[12:53] <elmo> Fujitsu: you still have 2 i386 buildds :-P
[12:53] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Hopefully Kmos' ebug-http fix will work.
[12:54] <Fujitsu> Then we can hopefully poke somebody to cancel that build..
[12:54] <Kmos> the ebug-http is really strange.. some perl god here ?
[12:54] <Kmos> if ($^O !~ /mswin32/i) { requires Test::Expect => 0;
[12:54] <Kmos> }
[12:55] <Fujitsu> elmo: Could you perhaps cancel it and throw the build score to something tiny, and hope that queue-builder doesn't reset it before the rest build?
[12:55] <Kmos> this is for win32, and it's where it breaks.. i made a patch for it, to remove it.. but now it breaks in some testing
[12:55] <Fujitsu> Kmos: !~
[12:55] <Kmos> Fujitsu: that's the code in Makefile.PL
[12:56] <Kmos> and it's not working
[12:56] <Fujitsu> Kmos: Yes. So it's likely *not* for win32.
[12:56] <Kmos> ah.. not for win32
[12:56] <Kmos> != is really more easy =)
[12:57] <Fujitsu> !~ != != :P
[12:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about p - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:58] <Fujitsu> elmo: Were PPA builds also given back?
[12:58] <elmo> Fujitsu: cprov's working on that now, we don't have a script for it, so he's having to giddy-up
[12:58] <Fujitsu> Aha. Funl
[12:58] <Fujitsu> *Fun.
[12:58] <DktrKranz> Fujitsu, PPAs have been given-back
[13:00] <elmo> ok, cprov's "fixed" ebug-http not to build again, so you now have palmer back too
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[13:01] <Fujitsu> Thankyou cprov.
[13:01] <cprov> Fujitsu: you are welcome.
[13:03] <elmo> ok, amd64 also done
[13:06] <Fujitsu> cprov: That was a rather good way to kill that build.
[13:07] <cprov> Fujitsu: it's the only way we have atm :(
[13:08] <Hobbsee> what, ripping otu the build system?
[13:12] <Fujitsu> cprov: I note that the given-back PPA build records didn't have the data from the previous build erased. Is that normal?
[13:13] <cprov> Fujitsu: they will be cleaned when they get dispatched
[13:14] <Fujitsu> OK, I just thought there might have been an important reason that normal give-backs cleared it all.
[13:16] <elmo> as an xmas special - lpia also done (although it doesn't appear to have any to give back...)
[13:16] <Fujitsu> I don't believe it had the problem, did it?
[13:16] <elmo> _well_
[13:16] <Fujitsu> Only the main 4 did, as far as I could see.
[13:16] <elmo> Fujitsu: I didn't actually check ;-)  oh well, lpia now has a fresher chroot *shrug*
[13:17] <Fujitsu> That's good too.
[13:17] <geser> http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ reports only chroot problems for i386, amd64, sparc and powerpc
[13:17] <Fujitsu> elmo: Thanks again.
[13:21] <elmo> Fujitsu: np, sorry it took so long to respond
[13:21] <Fujitsu> What alerted you to it?
[13:22] <elmo> Hobbsee in #c-s, initially
[13:22] <Hobbsee> oh wow, i didnt' think that worked
[13:30] <geser> why does libstdc++6 now need both 32bit and 64bit libc installed?
[13:30] <Fujitsu> geser: I was questioning that this morning.
[13:31] <asac> hi!
[13:32] <geser> Hi asac
[13:32] <Fujitsu> Hey asac.
[13:33] <asac> Hobbsee: do you have NEW power? ... if so, could you bin NEW nss so we can upload xul+ffox 3.0 beta2?
[13:33] <Fujitsu> Has it actually built?
[13:33] <asac> afaik yes
[13:33] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nss/3.12.0~1.9b2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[13:34] <persia> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=nss is also a nice link to show that
[13:34] <Hobbsee> asac: main or universe?
[13:34] <asac> oh ... its main :(
[13:34] <Hobbsee> bugger.  i was hoping you'd say universe.
[13:35] <Hobbsee> asac: i can, but i'd really prefer not to
[13:35] <asac> ok :)
[17:00] <dasKreech> sabdfl: can I message you?
[17:46] <RzR> hi there
[17:47] <dasKreech> hi
[17:47] <RzR> hi, is quilt encouraged in ubuntu package management ?
[17:47] <Kmos> RzR: ask in #ubuntu-motu
[17:47] <RzR> sure
[18:17]  * ogra_cmpc wonders if anyone has ever seen the case that in initramfs nothing in /sbin is executable (actually the error is "file not found" even though the binaries are all there ... i.e. depmod and modprobe) but eveything in /bin works just fine
[18:18] <psusi> nope
[18:19] <jbailey> ogra_cmpc: Make sure your linker got copied in.
[18:19] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[18:20] <jbailey> If you don't happen to have readelf handy, less should show the name of the linker in the first page or so as an embedded ASCIIZ string.
[18:20] <ogra_cmpc> jbailey: well, its a freshly installed hardy .... only the originally installed initramfs works, all upqraded or newly created ones dont ... i'll check for read4elf
[18:21] <jbailey> readelf is not going to be in the initramfs.
[18:21] <jbailey> But if you're on a running systems with binutils installed, you'll have it.
[18:21] <ogra_cmpc> yep, its there
[18:27] <jbailey> ogra_cmpc: And the linker is executable?
[18:28] <ogra_cmpc> you mean ld ?
[18:28] <jbailey> ld.so or klibc.so-blahblahblabh
[18:28] <jbailey> A file not found when executing a binary is almost always a dynamic linker problem.
[18:28] <ogra_cmpc> i get a proper output on teh system at least ... i cant boot into teh broken initramfs atm
[18:29] <jbailey> Can't use ldd to tell, it'll use the system paths.
[18:30] <ogra_cmpc> ogra@ceron:~/initramfs$ ls -l lib/klibc*
[18:30] <ogra_cmpc> -rwxr-xr-x 1 ogra ogra 64612 2007-12-28 20:03 lib/klibc-B9LS-Gjx2D7BYcbQig0RlgHKO9Y.so
[18:30] <ogra_cmpc> looks ok to me
[18:31] <jbailey> readelf -a sbin/modprobe |grep interpret
[18:31] <ogra_cmpc> ogra@ceron:~/initramfs$ readelf -a sbin/modprobe |grep interpret
[18:31] <ogra_cmpc>       [Requesting program interpreter: /lib/ld-linux.so.2]
[18:31] <ogra_cmpc> aha
[18:31] <ogra_cmpc> hmm
[18:31] <jbailey> 'k, so now ls -l lib/ld-linux.so.2
[18:32] <ogra_cmpc> ogra@ceron:~/initramfs$  ls -l lib/ld-linux.so.2
[18:32] <ogra_cmpc> ls: lib/ld-linux.so.2: No such file or directory
[18:32] <jbailey> Bingo
[18:32] <ogra_cmpc> i bet that should be a link to klibc-*
[18:32] <jbailey> No.
[18:32] <jbailey> The initramfs contrains two C libraries, sadly.
[18:32] <ogra_cmpc> oh, ok
[18:33] <jbailey> It was something I wasn't able to resolve while I was working on it.
[18:33] <jbailey> But the important question is to figure out why mkinitramfs didn't copy in the glibc bits that are needed.
[18:33] <ogra_cmpc> it does in a freshly created ltsp chroot .... must be my install
[18:34] <jbailey> Certainly, but this is a critical enough bit of infrastructure that whatever failed needs to have error handling and then send naked people across your screen with the errors tattooed on their bodies to make sure that you know it failed and don't reboot until it's fixed.
[18:35] <jbailey> ogra_cmpc: How 'bout this...  Is your /boot full?
[18:35] <ogra_cmpc> /dev/sda1              92M   45M   43M  51% /boot
[18:35] <ogra_cmpc> nopoe
[18:36] <ogra_cmpc> note that this install is manually bootsrapped on a raid0 ,,, i might have missed something
[18:37] <jbailey> I'm certain you have.  My point is that this operation needs to be resilient against any possible mistake you could make.
[18:38] <jbailey> Users will do all sorts of things that they should never do.  But the punnishment should never be that they can't boot again - which is a possibility with initramfs' that get overwritten.
[18:38] <zul> hey jbailey merry christmas
[18:38] <jbailey> Heya Chuck!  Happy new year?  /msg zul How's the munchkin?
[18:38] <jbailey> Err.
[18:38] <jbailey> zul: Consider that /msg'd =)
[19:59] <abarbaccia> hello all - the lirc package in ubuntu gutsy is broken for all transmitters
[19:59] <abarbaccia> how can i find the maintainer to repackage?
[20:02] <pochu> abarbaccia: best is to file a bug in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc
[20:02] <abarbaccia> pochu: I'm not sure what package it is exactly. I believe its acutally the lirc-modules-`uname -r` packages...
[20:02] <abarbaccia> so should i post to that or jsut to lirc
[20:05] <pochu> lirc is the source package of lirc-modules-source, so go for it.
[20:05] <pochu> But first check for dups
[20:05] <Ubulette> anyone got similar glib issues as bug 179119 ?
[20:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179119 in glib2.0 "glib 2.15 not clean with -pedantic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179119
[20:06] <Ubulette> oops, meant for -desktop
[20:10] <abarbaccia> pochu: thanks, i found a few people reporting that it doesn't work but with no clue on the solution. So i'm opening a new ticket with a better problem description. Thanks again.
[20:15] <pochu> abarbaccia: why don't you just edit the description of one of those bugs? Or add a comment. And dup the rest.
[20:20] <abarbaccia> pochu: im new to the system. sorry. I'll try to dupe the rest on the new bug I added
[21:41] <dmb_> is there a guide on howto set up your own local apt repository?
[21:41] <dmb_> i suppose http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 works, but is there anything ubuntu specific?
[21:54] <mjj29> dmb_: works the same for both
[21:54] <dmb_> mjj29: yeh, seems to work as well
[21:54] <dmb_> mjj29: i was just a little dee dee dee for a second
[21:54] <mjj29> I'm using debarchiver
[21:55] <dmb_> which is the one the official ubuntu repo's use?
[21:55] <mjj29> well the official debian ones use dak
[21:55] <jpatrick> can someone here giveback kmplayer? Now that the builds are fixed
[21:55] <mjj29> the description of which says 'if you don't have 10000 packages, use something else'
[21:56] <dmb_> mjj29: does the ubuntu one use the same?
[21:56] <mjj29> pass
[21:56] <mjj29> I assume so
[21:56] <mjj29> dunno what ppa uses
[21:57] <azeem> Ubuntu uses soyuz I thought
[21:57] <mjj29> azeem: google is quiet on the subject
[21:58] <mjj29> ah, I see
[21:58] <mjj29> fair enough
[21:58] <dmb_> theres so many :D
[21:59] <mjj29> The Future will apparently be DeBaBaRaReReReReReReRe tools
[21:59] <mjj29> so debian planet tells me
[22:02] <dmb_> :D
[22:23] <imbrandon> dmb_: falcon ( http://falcon.kaarsemaker.net/ ) also makes short work of it too
[22:23] <imbrandon> and is quite nice
[22:27] <dmb_> mmm


[14:11]  * bregma yawns and scratches his chin
[14:13]  * tvoss hands over a coffee to bregma
[14:14] <cnd> morning
[14:14] <cnd> I still have some X patches to get off my plate, need to edit LWN article due to feedback, and more research
[14:19] <bregma> I'm fiishing off reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/utouch-grail/remove-v2/+merge/105238
[14:19] <bregma> making sure the entire stack builds and works after
[14:19] <bregma> it requires considerable packaging changes because of the ABI change
[14:19] <bregma> so, lots of waiting for pbuilder then fixing the breakage
[14:21] <cnd> bregma, have you been able to look into Jose's bugs?
[14:21] <cnd> I think he has one or two against geis
[14:21] <cnd> tvoss, dandrader_, standups!
[14:22] <bregma> his bug is that the gesture name attribute is no longer useful in GEISv2
[14:22] <bregma> which it is not
[14:22] <dandrader_> I'm poking utouch-geis in a test with x11 mocks to understand exactly how it works and what it does when using the regular recognizer
[14:22] <dandrader_> i.e. what geis events to expect from it
[14:23] <bregma> I will follow up to Jose's bug with a siggestion on how to do it right
[14:24] <tvoss> looking into development processes and reading things up
[14:41] <dandrader_> cnd, Imagine I subscribed to 2-touches Touch gestures and that 4 touch points (ids 1, 2, 4 and 4) started moving. I get 6 different "Gesture Begin" geis events, one for each combination of two touch points. I accept the pairs (1,2) and (3,4). Should the remaining four pairs automatically vanish or should I explicitly reject them?
[14:42] <dandrader_> s/ids 1, 2, 4 and 4/ids 1, 2, 3 and 4
[15:04] <cnd> dandrader_, they are implicitly rejected
[15:05] <cnd> so when you accept a gesture, you should clean up any state for any other gestures you have that have overlapping touches
[15:05] <cnd> but you don't need to tell geis to reject those gestures
[15:13] <dandrader_> cnd, well, I do get "begin" and "update" events from (1,3) after (1,2) has been accepted. Is it because those events were already created and queued up by the time I accepted (1,2)?
[15:15] <cnd> dandrader_, perhaps, but I thought geis was written so that it shouldn't do that
[15:15] <cnd> oh, I know what's wrong
[15:15] <cnd> geis removes events from its event queue for explicitly rejected gestures
[15:16] <cnd> it apparently doesn't do it for implicitly rejected gestures
[15:16] <dandrader_> cnd, so, is it a bug?
[15:17] <dandrader_> or should applications be resilient to that?
[15:17] <cnd> I think applications should be resilient anyways, but ideally geis would handle that and remove the gesture events from its internal queue
[15:18] <cnd> it's worth filing a bug report with an importance of low
[15:18] <cnd> and if you want to tackle the bug, by all means do so :)
[15:19] <dandrader_> ok
[16:53] <dandrader> cnd,  there's definitely a real bug here, because if you try to explicitly reject one of those gestures that overlap the accepted one in geis the call will fail because in the grail backend those gestures no longer exist
[16:54] <cnd> dandrader, yes, you shouldn't be explicitly rejecting an overlapping gesture
[16:55] <dandrader> but if I just got an event from one and I don't want it, I can naturally reject it
[16:56] <dandrader> but the problem is that the event I got is bogus, because it refers to an entity that no longer exist. like old news
[16:56] <dandrader> hence the failure
[16:56] <dandrader> anyway, I'll report and fix it
[17:11] <cnd> dandrader, thanks :)
[17:25] <cnd> bregma, I just merged the utouch-grail changes
[17:25] <cnd> if you have the packaging changes handy, please push them up
[17:27] <bregma> will do... is grail going to be bumped to 4.0 to reflect the major ABI change, or is there some other versioning scheme at work?
[17:27] <cnd> I don't see a need
[17:27] <cnd> soname bump != version bump
[17:27] <cnd> we're not changing the api/abi for grail outside of removing deprecated functionality
[17:28] <bregma> right, but that removed deprecated functionality was a major chunk of API and APBI
[17:28] <bregma> it doesn;t matter as far as the packaging is concerned, though
[20:49] <dandrader> oh god.... so geis_touch_id(touch) is different than geis_touch_attr_by_name(touch, GEIS_TOUCH_ATTRIBUTE_ID) !!??
[20:50] <bregma> is it?
[20:50] <dandrader> it is :)
[20:51] <dandrader> one maps a touch in a frame to a touch in the touch set of the gesture event
[20:51] <dandrader> (aka index)
[20:51] <dandrader> the other is the touch id that comes from grail that comes from frame that comes from XInput2
[20:52] <dandrader> by the first "frame" I mean geis gesture frame
[20:52] <dandrader> by the second I mean utouch-frame
[20:52] <bregma> ah, I see the confusion
[20:53] <bregma> I would expect all the touch_id values in a touch to be the same, and a geis frame touch should be an index into the touch table
[20:53] <bregma> somehow


[21:52] <NegativeFlare> acidrain: also, watch the language.
[21:52] <acidrain> sry
[21:52] <acidrain> under critical stress
[21:52] <masakoo> If it is windows partition. You umount it from graphic environment. And then mount by ntfs-3g by console. Have you tried?
[21:55] <acidrain> EriC^: im getting alot of these errors: rsync: read errors mapping "/var/www/jkdf2/JKBot/JKArchive/JKDF2/Game Files/jkmp/amplitheater.zip": Input/output error (5) rsync: read errors mapping "/var/www/jkdf2/JKBot/JKArchive/JKDF2/Game Files/jkmp/ancient_arena.zip": Input/output error (5)
[21:55] <acidrain> thats an example
[21:55] <masakoo> acidrain: if there was not partitions you can try recover by testdisk. But read instructions. I have recovered lot of data by that software.
[21:56] <acidrain> "testdisk"?
[21:56] <acidrain> ill cehck it out
[21:57] <EriC^> acidrain: smartctl can probably tell you if the disk is going bad, sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX
[21:57] <masakoo> Yeah. But if there is partitions it may mean so.ething else
[21:57] <acidrain> k, thanks guys
[21:57] <OerHeks> EriC^, smart is buildin in 'disks'now, isn't it?
[21:58] <EriC^> i've seen it there, now that you mention it, yeah
[21:58] <PSGroup13> How can I mail a file to an email address on the Ubuntu command line please?
[21:58] <jatt> mailx
[21:58] <ikonia> mail $user@domain < file
[21:58] <ikonia> or mailx
[21:59] <jatt> mailx -s 'This is a file'<EMAIL_ADDRESS>< file
[21:59] <secr3ts> hey guys :)
[22:00] <tim> ikonia, I just happened to see this conversation and I'm curious. Are there options for creating a subject line and some text content with that command?
[22:00] <masakoo> mkdir /mnt/temp if it is ntfs then: mount --force -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdxy /mnt/temp. X is disk letter and y is partition number
[22:00] <secr3ts> Does the irc actually show the real ip? lol
[22:01] <jatt> yes
[22:01] <secr3ts> whats my ip then
[22:01] <EriC^> secr3ts: you're using kali, right?
[22:01] <secr3ts> yeah eric
[22:01] <EriC^> that's a sane assumption based on your identd
[22:02] <EriC^> and the fact that you're in this channel :P
[22:02] <secr3ts> oh
[22:02] <secr3ts> u use kali too?
[22:02] <EriC^> no
[22:02] <secr3ts> oh ok lol
[22:02] <secr3ts> I wanna use Parrot OS
[22:02] <secr3ts> but my god dam windows got corrupted ugh
[22:03] <neems> 14:03:07 oOo bmacnaughton<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[22:04] <k1l_> secr3ts: this is ubuntu support. for kali support see their channels
[22:04] <k1l_> !kali | secr3ts
[22:04] <secr3ts> i see
[22:04] <secr3ts> thanks
[22:04] <EriC^> secr3ts: anyways it's really bad practice to login to root and use irc
[22:04] <nrml1> so I'm running Server Version: Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu), what kind of problems you think I'll have if I upgrade to the current stable?
[22:04] <secr3ts> thanks guys
[22:05] <k1l_> nrml1: what gives you "lsb_release -d"?
[22:05] <nrml1>  Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS
[22:05] <EriC^> :D
[22:06] <nrml1> yeah I know :/
[22:06] <k1l_> nrml1: oh, you are really late then. 10.04 looses support in a few months, too. you need to makt eh 8.04 -> 10.04 and then 10.04 -> 12.04 update at least.
[22:07] <OerHeks> nrml1, i think you want a fresh install, as there is an grub update after that version
[22:07] <Pantsu> probably less work to backup and reinstall
[22:07] <k1l_> nrml1: and i think you will be better of with a clean install of 14.04 and set that to the needed configs.
[22:07] <nrml1> well its in the works, I just want to upgrade apache for the vulns
[22:07] <OerHeks> no heartbleed fix and such ..
[22:08] <Pantsu> nrml1: you can roll your own apache package, but there is a lot of other open exploits...
[22:08] <Baribal__> Hi. I'm drowning in (scientific) papers. Is there a good self-hosted system to manage them by adding tags?
[22:08] <nrml1> damn
[22:08] <Baribal__> A feature for scanning PDFs for tags/keywords would be a big plus.
[22:09] <Pantsu> kolab, exo and a bunch of others
[22:11] <PSGroup13> The command, mail $user@domain < file, does not work. I did the command, man mail, it says 'No manual entry for mail'. How do I mail a file on the command line on Ubuntu please?
[22:11] <Pantsu> most are sadly java and/or php though
[22:11] <trism> Baribal__: http://mathoverflow.net/questions/2939/tools-for-organizing-papers
[22:11] <EriC^> PSGroup13: install mail
[22:12] <nrml1> so I can't upgrade apache then huh
[22:12] <k1l_> nrml1: well, that will be manual work
[22:12] <nrml1> you mean using the tarball?
[22:12] <k1l_> nrml1: i doubt there is a PPA for 8.04 since 8.04 is dead along time.
[22:13] <k1l_> and mixing the repos will obviously not work because that will be depency hell
[22:13] <nrml1> damn true
[22:14] <PSGroup13> EriC^: I got the output file of "man csh | less -p 'source name'". Can I see the file on the website?
[22:14] <k1l_> PSGroup13: ubuntu manpages are online, yes
[22:15] <k1l_> PSGroup13: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[22:15] <EriC^> PSGroup13: not sure what you mean, but http://linux.die.net/man/1/csh
[22:16] <Criten> Can anyone help me get my g700 logetech mouse working? Seems to have a window focusing issue?
[22:17] <Criten> I can only click on unity elements (the app bar in unity)
[22:17] <Criten> and i cant click within any windows
[22:17] <Criten> moving the cursor works fine
[22:17] <PSGroup13> EriC^: After entering the command, man csh | less -p 'source name', I see the output. I can save the output to a file. I would like to see the same contend on a website.
[22:18] <EriC^> PSGroup13: ok, but dont you want to show that source can't be used on ubuntu using source script.sh argv1 ?
[22:19] <EriC^> PSGroup13: i think you want something related to what Jordan_U spoke of the other day, that there are 2 versions of csh etc. etc. let me grab that for you
 There are two common implementations of "csh", berkely-csh (Ubuntu grabs the source for this from OpenBSD) and tcsh. tcsh supports positional arguments to source, historical and current OpenBSD csh does not.
[22:21] <EriC^> PSGroup13: ^^
[22:23] <PSGroup13> EriC^++: Thanks! Now, I would like to have the output file from the command, man csh | less -p 'source name'. Is it on the website?
[22:26] <Zerock> What's the future of legacy MySQL in Ubuntu? MariaDB has made some decisions in their packaging that cause my build scripts to fail, so I'm considering dropping support for it.
[22:27] <ikonia> Zerock: I wouldn't expect it to go away, even if it moved away from being the default choice
[22:28] <Zerock> Basically, MariaDB no longer serves as a drop-in replacement. It's going its own way, and the change is already breaking in Debian.
[22:28] <ikonia> Zerock: still serves as a drop in replacement as of the current maria/mysql version
[22:28] <Zerock> Not in Debian Sid.
[22:28] <Zerock> Which will eventually affect Ubuntu.
[22:28] <ikonia> Zerock: worth following percona too
[22:28] <ikonia> as they seem to be along with maria feeding up stream into mysql
[22:29] <ikonia> Zerock: I'd discuss with the debian teams why this is the case
[22:29] <ikonia> Zerock: is it their packaging, their choices,
[22:29] <Zerock> MariaDB implements the same functions, but they have changed library names and include paths, so my build scripts have to accommodate it.
[22:29] <PSGroup13> EriC^: I apologize that I was disconnected. If you you replied my question, would you please send it to me again. "EriC^++: Thanks! Now, I would like to have the output file from the command, man csh | less -p 'source name'. Is it on the website?"
[22:29] <jayjo> How can I give permissions to a group that I'm not a part of, namely www-data (the apache user)
[22:30] <ikonia> jayjo: use sudo
[22:30] <EriC^> jayjo: permissions to what?
[22:31] <jayjo> I want www-data to have the permssions of a directory, the way I know to do it is using chmod and the -g flag but it gives my user group the persmissions, right?
[22:31] <jayjo> I want to give the www-data group the permissions, along with myself
[22:31] <ikonia> jayjo: chmod won't change the group
[22:31] <ikonia> chmod changes the access permissions, not the owner
[22:32] <EriC^> jayjo: you can add it as a acl, setfacl -m g:www-data:rwx <directory>
[22:32] <testar12345> join #nas
[22:41] <bennypr0fane> hello, I have files in my trash tha tI can't delete for some reason.  I would try to remove them in the command line with sudo, but I actually don't know what the path to the trash folder is...
[22:41] <ikonia> !trash | bennypr0fane
[22:43] <bennypr0fane> ikonia, thanks, but what does  .../.Trash-userid/ mean?
[22:44] <ikonia> bennypr0fane: your userid
[22:44] <ikonia> bennypr0fane: if you look on the file system - you'll see it
[22:44] <xcyclist> Is there an ftp client that can be used like scp, so that you can program with a script rather than having to do stuff interactively?
[22:44] <bennypr0fane> no, i mean the three dots before /. where is that?
[22:44] <bennypr0fane> .../ doesn't ring a bell
[22:44] <EriC^> it's like /media/user/hdd/ or whereever it's mounted
[22:44] <ikonia> bennypr0fane: one layer up from the old location
[22:45] <Wug> I don
[22:45] <Wug> I don't suppose anyone has gotten a recent gparted iso to live boot? (without burning to a CD first)
[22:45] <davidmaness> can anybody help me with lmms?
[22:46] <Wug> The instructions for configuring grub2 to boot it on the gparted website produce a non-bootable configuration
[22:46] <bennypr0fane> anyway, my ~/.local/share/Trash/ is empty
[22:47] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: there should be a files dir there with the files
[22:47] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: um, sorry, yes, there is, but that one'S emtpy. My trash folder in the GUI file manger is not though
[22:48] <bennypr0fane> so how can I find out where those are stored?
[22:48] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: how did you access the dir?
[22:48] <Ben64> ubottu told you where they are...
[22:49] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: type ls -al ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[22:50] <bennypr0fane> is it ok to paste three lines here?
[22:50] <EriC^> use paste.ubuntu.com
[22:52] <jayjo> If I run ls -l on a file and the output is "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root" and that's the only user listed, does that mean 'www-data' does not have access to execute the file?
[22:52] <bennypr0fane> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10164973/
[22:53] <EriC^> jayjo: he does
[22:54] <Kira9204> jayjo: sudo chown -R <user>:<group> <directory/file> (R for recursive)
[22:55] <Kira9204> sudo can do anything
[22:56] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: can you take a screenshot of the Trash in nautilus?
[22:58] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: I don't get what this means with regard to my problem
[22:58] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: yes. will you look at it even though it's Dolphin? I'm actually on Kubuntu, but no one answering over there
[22:59] <EriC^> yeah
[23:02] <Mtik1> i have very old laptop DELL d600
[23:02] <Mtik1> with intel 1.4 1mb cash
[23:02] <xcyclist> I'd like an ftp client that would take u/p from switches, like ftp -u myusername -p mypassword myfiledirectory myhostname:
[23:02] <Mtik1> what is good version Ubuntu for my laptop?
[23:03] <Mtik1> who version i can install?
[23:03] <k1l_> Mtik1: grab Lubuntu
[23:03] <xcyclist> I use just plain 14.04.1 on my Thinkpad T410.
[23:03] <Mtik1> k1l grab Lubuntu support my WFI card
[23:03] <Mtik1> intel 2200bg
[23:03] <Mtik1> ?
[23:03] <xcyclist> It's been fine for years.  I suspect I started it with 12 something.
[23:04] <k1l_> Mtik1: its the same as ubuntu just with a lightweight desktop and some parameters for old hardware
[23:04] <Mtik1> i want create router of my DELL D600
[23:04] <k1l_> !lubuntu | Mtik1
[23:04] <Mtik1> i have 1GB ram
[23:04] <pbx> sometimes when i unplug from my external monitor, the Terminal app gets "lost in space" -- new windows don't appear on the laptop screen. i have to force-quit it from the launcher and relaunch. just one of those things?
[23:04] <Mtik1> on this laptop
[23:04] <Mtik1> some live UBUNTU for me
[23:04] <Mtik1> ?
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: here: http://imgur.com/f22m9KL
[23:05] <k1l_> Mtik1: http://lubuntu.net/
[23:06] <Mtik1> I have an old Dell Latitude D600 using USB boot Ubuntu 12.10. When booting, it said that I have the wrong kernal for my CPU
[23:06] <Mtik1> why?
[23:06] <Mtik1> k1l give me good kernel
[23:06] <k1l_> Mtik1: 12.10 is dead anyway
[23:06] <pbx> i concur. run the System Monitor app to see what memory consumption is like (because if you hit swap, things will start to get sloow)
[23:06] <Mtik1> for this laptop
[23:06] <k1l_> Mtik1: do you even read?
[23:06]  * pbx was concurring with lubuntu suggestion
[23:06] <pbx> Mtik1, ^^
[23:07] <Mtik1> k1l_ lubuntu have live version
[23:07] <Mtik1> ?
[23:07] <k1l_> pbx: that machine is that old. you dont want to run anything that is no labled lightweight
[23:07] <k1l_> Mtik1: yes
[23:07] <k1l_> Mtik1: did you even look at the link i gave you=
[23:07] <Mtik1> give me link for download please
[23:07] <Mtik1> usb live version
[23:07] <k1l_> Mtik1: read! i already gave you a link
[23:07] <Mtik1> OK.
[23:07] <OerHeks> Mtik1,  just scroll back
[23:08] <k1l_> dont press enter that much and read what you get as answers. that would make you come faster to your goal
[23:08] <Mtik1> i found lubuntu 14.10 i386
[23:09] <Mtik1> does this version work on dell d600?
[23:09] <k1l_> i dont have a dell d600. so try it
[23:10] <Mtik1> for my cpu i need i386 version?
[23:10] <k1l_> yes
[23:10] <Mtik1> k1l, before install i can try live version?
[23:10] <k1l_> yes
[23:10] <Mtik1> about 700mb is file
[23:10] <Mtik1> OK.
[23:11] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: that's pretty odd, try find ~ -iname "*one of the file names here*"
[23:11] <Mtik1> i'm goind to download
[23:11] <SG-PXE> would anyone be able to help me with a PXE question? i want to install ubuntu via PXE using a downloaded local CD, currently the PXE goes out on the internet and pulls from the archive site
[23:11] <ikonia> !trash | bennypr0fane
[23:11] <Mtik1> k1l_ can I share wifi internet over LAN with Lubuntu?
[23:12] <k1l_> Mtik1: yes.
[23:12] <Mtik1> And if lubuntu not detected my wifi card
[23:12] <Mtik1> can i manual download driver
[23:12] <Mtik1> for
[23:12] <Mtik1> Intel 2200BG?
[23:12] <k1l_> Mtik1: stop using that much lines
[23:12] <kshah> A process (gem binary) on my VPS is dying, and before I wrap it with process supervision I’d like to know the exact reason why. I’m assuming the VPS is occasionally running out of memory (possibly during backups) and it’s getting kernel killed. What low level tools exist (that I’m as of yet unaware of) will help me determine this? Trying to avoid external services and things like nagios.
[23:13] <Mtik1> OK.
[23:13] <k1l_> Mtik1: yes. if its not working from the beginning you come back here and we see to get it working.
[23:13] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: ah, i think you should check any other mounted file systems for the .../.Trash-userid dir
[23:13] <k1l_> Mtik1: just download the iso, put it on a usb and boot it.
[23:13] <Mtik1> oh, k1l_ you are great man
[23:13] <Spec> kshah: the logs, like /var/log/kern.log or dmesg will typically show if the kernel's oom-killer was active
[23:14] <Mtik1> i can't wait 19minuts :)
[23:14] <Mtik1> remaining
[23:14] <kshah> Spec: perfect
[23:15] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: do you have any external media connected?
[23:15] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: yes, a usb stick
[23:16] <bennypr0fane> do non-system HDDs count as external?
[23:16] <bennypr0fane> I mean I have 2 harddrives internal to the pc, but with no OS on them
[23:17] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: those count as well
[23:17] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: check ../.Trash-userid on those
[23:18] <koding123> is there any point in using Ubuntu Make over a PPA?
[23:18] <ikonia> make over ?
[23:18] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: ok, so from their mountpoint, one layer up, then .trash
[23:19] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: no, directly where they are mounted
[23:19] <koding123> O.o
[23:19] <EriC^> it's case sensitive, .Trash-userid , if it's 1000 then it'll be .Trash-1000
[23:20] <koding123> why would one prefer Ubuntu Make instead of the PPA for a package?
[23:20] <bennypr0fane> this one has two trash folders: .trash -0 and .trash-1000
[23:21] <EriC^> koding123: are you referring to building from source ? ./configure make make install ?
[23:21] <OerHeks> koding123, updates maybe?
[23:21] <koding123> no I am referring to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[23:21] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: ok, they're probably in .Trash-0
[23:21] <bennypr0fane> in .trash-1000/files, there are these folders I can't delete
[23:22] <koding123> OerHeks, don't PPAs do the same thing?
[23:22] <EriC^> hmm, ok, if you don't want them anymore, use sudo to remove them
[23:23] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: what's the rm option for removing everything in a folder?
[23:23] <bennypr0fane> sorta can't find it in the man page
[23:23] <EriC^> rm -r <dir> will remove the dir and all its contents
[23:23] <EriC^> including other dirs
[23:23] <koding123> bennypr0fane, you can remove a file with rm command, rmdir for a empty folder, and to remove a folder with files use rm -r /folder
[23:24] <OerHeks> koding123, i just noticed your make url, didn't know you were talking about android stuff .. you should have mentioned that.
[23:24] <bennypr0fane> but I can't remove the /files folder, can I ? I gues it's still needed
[23:24] <koding123> OerHeks, ok
[23:24] <bennypr0fane> that's why I don't want to remove just the contents, not the folder itself
[23:24] <k1l_> koding123: maybe the guys from #ubuntu-touch have more experience with that
[23:24] <kshah> Spec: I can’t see anything in my dmesg log that points to the process in question, and my kern.log is straight up blank (Ubuntu)
[23:25] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: just cd to the dir and type rm -r *
[23:25] <bennypr0fane> ah, right
[23:26] <koding123> BTW it is not "Android Stuff" as AFAIK with Ubuntu MAke we can install things like Go, Stencyl, eclipse etc as well
[23:27] <k1l_> koding123: yes, like i said, the #ubuntu-touch guys will have more experience with that.
[23:27] <bennypr0fane> EriC^: thanks, I think that was it
[23:28] <koding123> bennypr0fane, then do this, rm /folder/*
[23:28] <koding123> bennypr0fane, add a /* after the folder to delete only contents
[23:29] <OerHeks> koding, yes it is for android .. and read on, you need to add that ppa .. so your question is not valid.
[23:29] <EriC^> bennypr0fane: np
[23:29] <koding123> OerHeks, no not really, in 15.04 you don't need to add PPA
[23:30] <bennypr0fane> koding123: that's kinda not working
[23:30] <bennypr0fane> it says dir not found
[23:30] <crundar> I used to have a guest account that could get in without password. When I upgraded to 14.04, now when the guest locks the screen or it locks from a timeout, when you come back it prompts for a password
[23:31] <bennypr0fane> aahhh, but now the trash is aactually empty! what a releif!
[23:31] <crundar> that user doesnt' have a password. My current walkaround is to tell users to select a different user, and then to re-select guest, and it allows them to login
[23:31] <crundar> I've checked the user settings, and Guest is set to no password.
[23:31] <crundar> What else could be wrong?
[23:31] <koding123> bennypr0fane, that is because the I meant the folder's name there e.g. rm Downloads/*
[23:32] <mannyg> exit
[23:32] <koding123> k1l_, ok I thinki ill ask in there as well
[23:34] <K4k> Hi, I accidentally blew away my /boot partition. I've gotten grub installed again but I blew away my kernel images as well so I've got nothing to boot from once I get to the grub2 screen. What needs to be re-installed once I'm booted to a live disk in a chroot of the installed system to fix this?
[23:36] <EriC^> crundar: seems to be a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1022858
[23:37] <EriC^> K4k: update-initramfs -c -k all
[23:37] <K4k> EriC^: Thanks
[23:37] <EriC^> K4k: wait,
[23:37] <EriC^> you should sudo apt-get install --reinstall <linux-image-here>
[23:38] <EriC^> it should reinstall the kernels and everything
[23:38] <crundar> Thanks EriC^. Well, at least they're aware of it. Dangit.
[23:38] <K4k> EriC^: Yes, I'm looking for the name of the package in Ubuntu, though. I'm not familiar with the naming scheme of packages on here yet
[23:38] <EriC^> K4k: check which one you were using with dpkg -l | grep linux-image , or /vmlinuz if the link still works
[23:41] <EriC^> crundar: np, you could disable the "ask password after screen turns off" option
[23:41] <EriC^> it would be for all the users though
[23:42] <Codmadnesspro> Uh A script i'm installing is telling me to do application/config/database.php file is not writable. Please chomod 777 before to continue. Should I do this?
[23:42] <crundar> Mrm... Yeah, EriC^, that's not gonna be a solution here. I might just have to keep telling them how to do this, or create a new user called 'Guest' w/no pass. See if it's something special about that account, or if it's on accounts generally.
[23:43] <Ben64> Codmadnesspro: sure
[23:43] <pbx> Codmadnesspro, sounds like it wants to write database config info to that file.  not really an ubuntu question but as a web dev i'd say, go for it
[23:43] <Codmadnesspro> Ben64, won't people be able to read it in plain text though?
[23:43] <crundar> Codmadnesspro: if you're really worried, back it up
[23:43] <Ben64> Codmadnesspro: everyone will be able to read it
[23:43] <crundar> cp database.php database.php.bak
[23:43] <budgie^smore> Anyone seen where java will not load cause it cannot open a shared library object?
[23:44] <EriC^> crundar: that sounds like a good idea, the guest account is more locked down though
[23:44] <Codmadnesspro> So should I chmod it 660 when it's done installing?
[23:44] <Ben64> Codmadnesspro: we have no way of knowing
[23:45] <EriC^> crundar: if you wanted to get hacky, you could check which scripts run when the guest account logs in, like to create the temporary guest home dir and whatnot and add the line that disables the ask for pass on screen lock for the guest each time
[23:45] <crundar> HHmmm... That's an interesting thought.
[23:49] <Mtik1> k1l_
[23:57] <K4k> OK, I'm trying to reinstall the linux-image I had installed before but I'm getting a dpkg error "cannot copy extracted data" ... "unexpected end of file"
[23:58] <K4k> It's trying to copy the /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.* somewhere but that file doesn't exist because the partition was destroyed on accident
[23:59] <koding123> so what is the point/pros/benefit of using Ubuntu Make( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make ) instead of a package specific PPA?
[23:59] <koding123> Ubuntu Make http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/ubuntu-make


[17:31] <jayjo-> I'm trying to set up some VM's to start on an ubuntu machine on startup. Is there configuration to get qemu/kvm to do this, or do I need to start a systemd service? I currently only use it interactively on my desktop
[17:42] <tomreyn> if you'll use libvirt, it can bring up VMs based on configuration automatically at boot
[20:16] <Nithael> Hi guys ! I'm trying to configure Ubuntu Server 64bits for Raspberry pi 4, However I'm unable to obtain a network connection


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[02:09] <mup> Bug #1753874 opened: machine can be compose in a full pool because  of typo  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753874>
[02:18] <mup> Bug #1753874 changed: machine can be compose in a full pool because  of typo  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753874>
[02:21] <mup> Bug #1753874 opened: machine can be compose in a full pool because  of typo  <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1753874>
[12:23] <mup> Bug #1754012 opened: wsman dependency on older curl will cause issues in bionic for maas <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754012>
[12:36] <cnf> how do you make a maas setup multi region?
[12:38] <roaksoax> cnf: https://docs.maas.io/2.3/en/manage-ha
[12:38] <roaksoax> xygnal: lvm for centos is not within our plans atm
[12:39] <cnf> roaksoax: isn't that one region in a redundant setup?
[12:39] <roaksoax> cnf: ah so you want to setup a single maas for multiple site locations ?
[12:39] <cnf> yes
[12:39] <roaksoax> cnf: we recommend a MAAS per DC
[12:39] <cnf> yeah, we don't look forward to 35 maas instances and UIs
[12:41] <cnf> we have a meeting with canonical people on this in about 2 hours for our MVP, but i want to get some ideas checked before we go into that one
[12:42] <cnf> atm, we are considering "abusing" zones as DC locations
[12:43] <cnf> so run one HA region controller, and put each DC rackd's into a separate zone
[12:45] <cnf> roaksoax: why do you not support this, btw?
[12:50] <cnf> hmm
[14:05] <mup> Bug #1754034 opened: improvements for UI around users <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754034>
[14:35] <mup> Bug #1754041 opened: [2.4]  /run/lock/maas:networks-monitoring prevents discovery of networks <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754041>
[14:35] <mup> Bug #1754045 opened: [2.4] MAAS sometimes fails to insert subnets in maas-proxy.conf <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754045>


[11:14] <handsome_feng> Hi, Does anyone know how to translate the ubuntu WIKI pages?
[11:16] <handsome_feng> I want to translate some wiki pages into Chinese.


[05:02] <ubuntuaddicted> i just opened mythweb for the first time in a long time i want to schedule a new series that's on AMC and the option to record the series is missing. I only have 4 options for recording.
[05:03] <rhpot1991> ubuntuaddicted: the recording rules changed a while bac, I want to say 0.27 release
[05:04] <ubuntuaddicted> i have don't record, record only this showing, find and record one showing of this title, and record at any time on any channel. what happened to record this show in this timeslot every week?
[05:04] <rhpot1991> you probably want "any time on any channel" with the "this series" checkbox
[05:04] <rhpot1991> I normally do "any time on any channel" with the "high definition" "new episode" and "this channel" checkboxes
[05:05] <rhpot1991> if you want time slot there is "this time" checkbox
[05:05] <rhpot1991> see under filters
[05:05] <ubuntuaddicted> ahhh, i see now.
[05:05] <ubuntuaddicted> thanks, that's weird they added the filters vs the various rules.
[05:05] <rhpot1991> my method normally gets me all new showings of a show on a specific channel
[05:05] <rhpot1991> drop the "new episode" to get past episodes too
[05:06] <rhpot1991> the filters are there to give you the same control you used to have
[05:06] <ubuntuaddicted> it's a brand new show, about the 80's computer boom. should be interesting
[05:06] <rhpot1991> I forget the reasoning, but you should be able to get the same results
[05:07] <ubuntuaddicted> so i checked, New Episode, This Series, This day and Time, and This Channel. that should do it right>
[05:07] <rhpot1991> is it "halt and catch fire?"
[05:07] <ubuntuaddicted> yeap
[05:07] <rhpot1991> I'll have to poke at that, AMC hasn't let me down yet
[05:07] <rhpot1991> I'd drop this time and day
[05:07] <ubuntuaddicted> i agree
[05:07] <rhpot1991> only cause amc reruns like crazy
[05:08] <rhpot1991> so if you happen to miss one it can snag a rerun
[05:08] <ubuntuaddicted> good point but it won't record it twice right?
[05:09] <rhpot1991> nope, as long as you don't mess with "Duplicate Check method:"
[05:09] <ubuntuaddicted> i didn't check High Definition because believe it or not i still get an analog signal over my internet line from TWC. So i'm still using a PVR-350 and a PVR-500
[05:09] <rhpot1991> I do HD check by default so I don't get it on one of my analog stations by acciden
[05:09] <rhpot1991> t
[05:09] <rhpot1991> ah, I have a few of those just  sitting in my closet
[05:10] <rhpot1991> comcast country so hdhr prime works well for me
[05:10] <ubuntuaddicted> i'm just waiting for the day that TWC stops broadcasting the analog signal, than I am not sure what to do to be hoenst
[05:11] <rhpot1991> comcast cut it and you have to use dta's
[05:11] <rhpot1991> I stopped using my pvr-xxx's then
[05:11] <ubuntuaddicted> dta?
[05:11] <rhpot1991> went to clear qam, but they cut that not so long ago too
[05:11] <rhpot1991> digital transition adapter I want to say
[05:11] <rhpot1991> the thing that converts their digital to analog for your legacy hardware
[05:12] <ubuntuaddicted> ah ok, so there's a chance when they drop the analog signal that they'll still transmit clear QAM?
[05:12] <ubuntuaddicted> i don't pay for cable right now. i only pay for an internet line
[05:12] <rhpot1991> normally yes
[05:12] <rhpot1991> I believe TWC is still clear qam friendly too
[05:13] <rhpot1991> and yes i've heard of people getting internet and having clear qam, sometimes needing to remove a filter that the cable co placed
[05:13] <rhpot1991> that part may or may not be a good idea
[05:13] <ubuntuaddicted> they never came to my house to install a filter which is why i still get the ananlog
[05:13] <rhpot1991> probably depends where they place it
[05:13] <rhpot1991> http://customer.comcast.com/Pages/FAQViewer.aspx?seoid=What-is-a-digital-adapter
[05:14] <ubuntuaddicted> so which HDHR would I look into if TWC stops sending the analog signal considering i don't pay for any cable
[05:14] <rhpot1991> http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Compatible-Streaming-HDHR4-2US/dp/B00GY0UB54/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
[05:14] <ubuntuaddicted> yeap, TWC has those as well BUT they only give them to people who pay for cable
[05:15] <rhpot1991> probably that one
[05:15] <rhpot1991> your choice would then be clear qam, or antenna
[05:15] <ubuntuaddicted> the dta you linked me is only if i wanted to still use my PVR's correct?
[05:15] <rhpot1991> ya
[05:15] <rhpot1991> you have to get those from the cable co though, so you can't really get away without paying then
[05:15] <ubuntuaddicted> yeah i know
[05:16] <rhpot1991> also keep in mind HD is much harder to play back then SD video
[05:16] <rhpot1991> so your hardware might need an overhaul too
[05:16] <ubuntuaddicted> how does that DLNA work in those new HDHR's? i was reading a little  about them awhile back
[05:16] <rhpot1991> normally you can just get by with something from nvidia that can do vdpau
[05:16] <ubuntuaddicted> yeap, i'm aware.
[05:16] <ubuntuaddicted> thanks
[05:16] <rhpot1991> if you have devices that can stream dnla you can connect right to it
[05:16] <rhpot1991> take for instance my samsung tv
[05:17] <rhpot1991> it can talk to my hdhr and my nas
[05:17] <rhpot1991> that said the interface is junk
[05:17] <ubuntuaddicted> currently my frontends are both running XBMC, 1 on an original apple tv and the other on an ATV2
[05:17] <ubuntuaddicted> ah ok
[05:17] <rhpot1991> so you prefer xbmc over mythfrontend?
[05:17] <ubuntuaddicted> the oriinal atv won't be able to play back the hd streams i doubt
[05:17] <ubuntuaddicted> yes
[05:17] <rhpot1991> how is mythtv support there anymore?
[05:17] <ubuntuaddicted> i love XBMC as a frontend
[05:18] <rhpot1991> back when I checked it couldn't do comm skipping
[05:18] <rhpot1991> and support for mythtv versions lagged behind
[05:18] <ubuntuaddicted> it's awesome,
[05:18] <ubuntuaddicted> all current and up to date. the PVR addon for xbmc is a huge deal now
[05:18] <ubuntuaddicted> it has support for tvheadend, mythtv and others
[05:19] <rhpot1991> one of our devs was contemplating doing a theme for it to match our mythfrontend one
[05:19] <ubuntuaddicted> i will say though that I don't use commflagging so i can't speak on that
[05:19] <rhpot1991> if you hang around I'm sure he can chime in at some point if that is still a possibility or not
[05:19] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: ^
[05:19] <ubuntuaddicted> tgm is a good guy, he's the dev for mythbuntu right?
[05:19] <rhpot1991> you should, its a great feature
[05:19] <rhpot1991> one of us
[05:19] <ubuntuaddicted> ok, he's the one i always see responding in the ubuntu forums.
[05:20] <ubuntuaddicted> i'm running mythbuntu 14.04 on my server now. well, sort of. it was upgraded from 12.04 and i have that nasty mysql bug
[05:21] <rhpot1991> which one is that?
[05:21] <ubuntuaddicted> my backend used to be very low powered so i never enabled commflagging. it was just a P4 with 1GB of RAM
[05:21] <rhpot1991> if you have other hardware around you can make it a 2nd backend and offload the commflagging there too
[05:21] <ubuntuaddicted> but now i'm running an A8-3870k with 4GB of RAM so maybe i should look into enabling commflagging
[05:22] <rhpot1991> for SD video that shouldn't be much work at all
[05:22] <ubuntuaddicted> i could but i got rid of it. it was a dell dimension 8200 i believe
[05:22] <rhpot1991> just use your new one I say
[05:22] <ubuntuaddicted> i was running it headless towards the end
[05:23] <rhpot1991> what mysql bug are you hitting?
[05:24] <ubuntuaddicted> the one where doing anything within mythbuntu-control-centre results in Exception in compareState of plugin Repositories Disabling Plugin. Let me find the forum thread
[05:26] <ubuntuaddicted> i had this bug http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2220885&page=3
[05:33] <rhpot1991> looks like tgm4883 fixed it and it just needed to get pushed
[05:33] <rhpot1991> unfortunately its a pain to get things pushed post release, lots of paperwork involved
[05:35] <ubuntuaddicted> trying to enable backups using mcc, it just keeps crashing over and over.
[05:36] <ubuntuaddicted> i've already set up backups myself using mythconverg_backup.pl so it's not a big deal to me.
[05:37] <ubuntuaddicted> where do i set up commflagging anyway?
[06:17] <rhpot1991> it is on the user job page in either mythtv > setup > general via frontend, or in mythtvbackend-setup
[06:17] <ubuntuaddicted> yeap, i found it. thanks
[06:20] <ubuntuaddicted> gotta get to bed, take care. thanks for your help


[00:44] <ijohnson> hey folks, anybody know if there's an issue with building core20 snaps for i386 on LP? I had an i386 build fail oddly like this: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/m8gocrVF/
[00:45] <wgrant> ijohnson: That's more of an #ubuntu-devel question. Ubuntu focal does not support i386 as a full system architecture.
[00:45] <ijohnson> wgrant: oh that's right I forgot about that
[00:45] <ijohnson> that's fine I'll just not build i386 then
[00:47] <wgrant> ijohnson: I think that probably makes sense, but it probably deserves a proper discussion around consequences.
[00:47] <wgrant> Because there are many.
[00:47] <ijohnson> wgrant: you think it makes sense to still have a i386 core20 snap or it makes sense for me to not build my snap for i386 :-) ?
[00:48] <wgrant> ijohnson: Oh, this isn't core20, but an rdep, I see. Nevermind then.
[00:54] <ijohnson> weirdly enough we actually do have an i386 core20 snap
[00:54] <ijohnson> I do think we should add something to snapcraft (and maybe LP somewhere too) that complains more obviously if you try to build a i386 core20-based snap since I don't think we should have a i386 core20 snap


[00:47] <Cooder> I have my torrents going.....
[02:44] <jbicha> darkxst: I still have a power icon in Unity with g-s-d 3.7.92 or your 3.8.1
[02:44] <darkxst> jbicha, I dont
[02:47] <Ponch0> what is this SIGSEGV business, it crashes my gnome-tweak-tool and software center
[02:48] <darkxst> Ponch0, are you using ubuntu overlay scrollbars?
[02:50] <Ponch0> darkxt: i'm not sure what that is :/
[02:50] <Ponch0> but possibly
[02:50] <Ponch0> those scroll bars that show up when I want to use them?
[02:50] <darkxst> yes, that ones that show up when you hover the mouse
[02:50] <Ponch0> yup I've been wanting to get rid of them but I didnt know how
[02:52] <darkxst> Ponch0, set com.canonical.desktop.interface scrollbar-mode  to 'normal'
[02:52] <Ponch0> they're pretty useless, they just stop showing up after one or two uses
[02:52] <Ponch0> where?
[02:52] <darkxst> Ponch0, I know and they seem to be getting worse each cycle!
[02:52] <darkxst> dconf-editor
[02:52] <Ponch0> oh .
[02:53] <Ponch0> let me google that, thank you kindly
[02:53] <darkxst> just run it from overview!
[02:55] <jbicha> anyone know of a bug # for the corrupted text in Software Center's sidebar with the GNOME3 PPA
[02:57] <Ponch0> ooh don't be so obvious! i'm still learning :D
[02:59] <Ponch0> k I shut that off
[03:00] <Ponch0> still crashing, should I restart?
[03:08] <Ponch0> meh.. still crashing.
[03:20] <darkxst> jbicha, stange, I was missing indicator-power
[05:11] <sgo11> Are there any official instructions about how to upgrade ubuntu gnome remix 12.10 to ubuntu 13.04 where I have "GNOME3 PPA" enabled in 12.10 ?
[05:12] <sgo11> sorry. I mean to ubuntu gnome 13.04.
[05:30] <darkxst> sgo11, normal upgrade will work fine, however probably safest to purge ppa first
[05:32] <sgo11> darkxst, thanks. never use ppa-purge. Do I just run "sudo ppa-purge ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3" ? thanks.
[05:34] <darkxst> sgo11, yeh
[05:36] <sgo11> darkxst, got it. thanks. will try to upgrade later. hopefully, nothing will be broken.
[06:43] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, who was bribed to get dbgsym support for the gnome3 ppa? would be nice to have it for the gnome3-staging too ;)
[06:49] <darkxst> ricotz, staging has them, but some packages are copied form other ppa's without rebuilding :(
[06:49] <ricotz> darkxst, ah ok, i see
[06:49] <ricotz> darkxst, do mind if i add https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-session/commit/?id=6e14faf9138dbbffd1e63e177e53d88963c379e5
[06:49] <darkxst> ricotz, still trying to bribe pitti to setup a retracer though ;)
[06:51] <darkxst> ricotz, sure go ahead
[06:55] <ahmad_> hello
[07:02] <ricotz> darkxst, ok pushed and confirmed it works with glib master/2.37 ;)
[07:04] <darkxst> ok
[07:05] <darkxst> ricotz, oh and the rt guys said if we ever need more space to just open a ticket
[07:06] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah as usual, that is fine
[07:07] <darkxst> ricotz, you tried to build webkit 2.0.1?
[07:07] <ricotz> darkxst, no
[07:08] <darkxst> after 2 hours, its failed with a gtkdoc error ;(
[07:08] <darkxst> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5603644/
[07:16] <ricotz> darkxst, havent seen something like that yet
[07:17] <darkxst> ricotz, ok, I wil take the easy option for now and just disable
[07:17] <darkxst> (gtk-docs)
[07:56] <denosye> hi
[07:58] <denosye> is there a list of software, ubuntu gnome uses? like, uses it GDM or lightdm?
[07:58] <denosye> there are only the recent changes in the blog on the homepage
[08:22] <darkxst> Anyone still on Quantal that can verify the gnome-shell/mutter update?
[08:23] <darkxst> bugs 1128804, 1067265 and 1132308
[08:27] <Lsf_lf> hi, already a gnome ubuntu-logo was found? I would like a wiki article with a gnome ubuntu-logo decorate, but find no official logo.
[08:29] <darkxst> Lsf_lf, its a work in progress
[08:29] <Lsf_lf> darkxst: ah, ok … thanks
[08:29] <darkxst> there were some emails on the mailing lists with the proposed logos
[08:30] <Lsf_lf> darkxst: ok, I'll keep an eye on the mailing list ...
[09:19] <fedeavila> hi everyone
[09:19] <fedeavila> i just installed ubuntu 1304 and made 3 partitions
[09:20] <fedeavila> can i overwrite this with ubuntu-gnome?
[09:20] <fedeavila> "/" "swap" & "/home"
[09:37] <darkxst> lol, some people really need to learn !patience
[09:54] <phako> does alt-tab work for you?
[09:54] <phako> on raring?
[09:59] <darkxst> phako, yes
[09:59] <phako> I can only switch between the first two apps
[10:00] <darkxst> phako, 3.6 or 3.8?
[10:00] <phako> 3.8
[10:00] <phako> from the gnome3 ppa
[10:01] <darkxst> its fine here
[10:01] <phako> weird
[10:01] <phako> I'll try re-login
[10:01] <phako> brb
[10:01] <phako> or restart, rather
[10:01] <phako> no
[10:04] <darkxst> phako, file a bug
[10:18] <phako> darkxst: against what?
[10:19] <darkxst> phako, 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell'
[10:19] <phako> ah, ubuntu-bug, I always forget about that
[10:26] <phako> done
[10:33] <darkxst> phako, does alt+`(key above tab) work for you?
[10:34] <phako> yes, works fine
[10:34] <darkxst> phako, what about using arrow keys to nav after alt+tab?
[10:35] <phako> also works
[10:37] <darkxst> phako, can you test with gnome3-staging?
[10:37] <phako> sure, second
[10:41] <phako> ok, just installing gnome-shell from that doesn't help
[10:41] <phako> should I try the full upgrade?
[10:45] <mgedmin> 1st boot of 13.04
[10:45] <mgedmin> my wallpaper is gone, and I can't change it via system settings
[10:49] <mgedmin> um, help?
[10:50] <darkxst> phako, yes, in particular gnome-settings-daemon
[10:51] <darkxst> mgedmin, try adwaita
[10:51] <phako> ok
[10:51] <mgedmin> I am using adwaita
[10:51] <darkxst> are you using desktop icons?
[10:52] <mgedmin> no
[10:53] <darkxst> mgedmin, gnome-shell draws the background then
[10:53] <darkxst> i.e it should work
[10:54] <mgedmin> gsettings: http://dpaste.de/Eu2OQ/
[10:54] <mgedmin> all seems to be in order
[10:56] <darkxst> mgedmin, try a filename without special chars
[10:57] <mgedmin> org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri 'file:///usr/share/backgrounds/La_Gomera_by_Alfonso_Aguirre_Arbex.jpg'
[10:57] <darkxst> and check ~/.cache/gdm/session.log for any errors
[10:58] <mgedmin> nope, still seeing http://imgur.com/4ieIqc7
[10:58] <darkxst> we don't even ship that background!
[10:59] <mgedmin> in ubuntu 13.04?
[10:59] <mgedmin> it's a random one I clicked on in system settings -> background
[10:59] <darkxst> ubuntu GNOME ships with blue blinds
[10:59] <mgedmin> from ubuntu-wallpapers-raring
[10:59] <darkxst> that is the standard raring wallpaper
[10:59] <mgedmin> oh, the one I'm actually looking at?
[11:00] <mgedmin> I might be missing some meta-packages
[11:00] <mgedmin> I installed gnome-shell gdm etc. manually on ubuntu 12.something, back before the gnome remix appeared
[11:00] <darkxst> mgedmin, install ubuntu-gnome-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[11:01] <mgedmin> roger
[11:09] <mgedmin> no luck still
[11:10] <mgedmin> ubuntu-bug gnome-shell?
[11:10] <darkxst> mgedmin, sure
[11:11] <phako> darkxst: still the same, but I have my keyboard layout switcher back \o/
[11:11]  * mgedmin will try to log out and log in, just in case
[11:11] <darkxst> phako, strange, sounds like the keygrabber is playing up, but that should work better with staging
[11:12] <mgedmin> what do you know, it worked
[11:12] <phako> mgedmin: does logging out work for you?
[11:12] <phako> I can't get back to gdm :-/
[11:12] <mgedmin> worked for me
[11:12] <darkxst> phako, you probably need a reboot after installing staging
[11:12] <phako> did that
[11:13] <mgedmin> there was rather a lot of flickering, as if the video mode were being set multiple times, but logout worked
[11:13]  * darkxst going to run and hide, too many bugs for one night!
[11:13] <phako> darkxst: I can't see the accessibility menu, is that off now or do I have some lingering extension somewhere?
[11:13] <mgedmin> one of the packages installed by apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop was gnome-backgrounds
maybe the default wallpaper was missing, and when gnome-shell couldn't find it, it decided to sulk and stopped tracking desktop gsetting key changes?
[11:14] <mgedmin> phako, IIRC accesibility icon appears only if you have at least of the accessibility options enabled
[11:14] <phako> ah
[11:16] <mgedmin> now, do I want the gnome 3.8 ppa?
[11:18] <darkxst> mgedmin, yes!
[11:18] <darkxst> anyway I have to go now
[11:18] <mgedmin> thanks for the help!
[11:19] <darkxst> np ;)
[11:23] <mgedmin> interesting: apt-get dist-upgrade holds back gnome-boxes
[11:27] <mgedmin> apt-get install gnome-boxes upgrades it fine (after removing libspice-client-glib-2.0-1 libspice-client-gtk-3.0-1 and installing libspice-client-glib-2.0-8 libspice-client-gtk-3.0-4)
[11:27] <mgedmin> sometimes I don't understand apt-get.
[11:29] <mgedmin> well hello gnome 3.8
[11:33] <mgedmin> Cantarell's kerning of "lo", "lk", "la", "lė" is pretty bad
[11:33] <mgedmin> where should I file bugs?
[11:33] <mgedmin> bugzilla.gnome.org?
[11:35] <mgedmin> might be a duplicate of https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643364
[11:40]  * mgedmin files bug 643364 just in case
[11:41] <mgedmin> no, not launchpad, gnome bug
[11:41] <mgedmin> bots...
[11:51] <mgedmin> hey, I thought global shortcuts (like volume control keys) were supposed to work in the overview in gnome 3.8?
[11:52] <mgedmin> and PrintScreen
[14:29] <e2k> hiya! in order to get a "fresh" 13.04 with gnome 3.8 I should just normally install ubuntu-gnome, add the GNOME3 PPA:s and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, am I right? :)
[14:30] <e2k> shouldn't that do the trick, or is there anything else to consider?
[15:11] <e2k> the installer seems to crash every time :I
[15:16] <sacarde> hi
[15:16] <sacarde> why ubuntu with gnome has name "ubuntu-gnome"
[15:17] <sacarde> and not "Gubuntu" ?
[15:17] <baronos> goobuntu by google and gubuntu = :)
[16:04] <BluPhenix316> hey does ubuntu-gnome support UEFI installs?
[16:13] <rtubuntugnomemay> hallow every one.
[16:13] <rtubuntugnomemay> Today I have installed ubuntu-gnome  ---  excellent with a few bugs
[16:14] <rtubuntugnomemay> Is any one available for some help i require
[16:15] <tommie-lie> just ask and wait for someone to answer
[16:15] <rtubuntugnomemay> thanks...  some there !!
[16:15] <rtubuntugnomemay> my question :  I have updated with sudo apt-get update
[16:15] <tommie-lie> yes, but there are many timezones in this world and not everyone here actually is on front of his screen right now
[16:16] <rtubuntugnomemay> and upgraded too with all latest ones.
[16:17] <rtubuntugnomemay> But when I give command again i.e. sudo apt-get update ,  instead of updating only changed repository ,  the whole index file get downloaded.
[16:18] <tommie-lie> that is completely normal, apt-get update always downloads the package list from all configured servers
[16:20] <rtubuntugnomemay> to the best of my knowladge and experience,  only changed index files..  normally this total download is approx 2 mb.  But every time my download size is well over  25 mb.
[16:21] <rtubuntugnomemay> its strange... I have been using Ubuntu for last 7 years...  never had this experience.
[16:22] <tommie-lie> hm, yes, there is a mechanism to download only files with a changed timestamp
[16:23] <rtubuntugnomemay> it seems that mechanism is broken...  any way can i correct it.
[16:23] <tommie-lie> rtubuntugnomemay: when doing apt-get update, every line starts with Get instead of Hit?
[16:24] <rtubuntugnomemay> Just tried... you are correct
[16:24] <rtubuntugnomemay> every line starts with get
[16:27] <rtubuntugnomemay> i googled for answer  but no avail except few one suggested changing the update servers ..  tried that part as well but no use.
[16:27] <tommie-lie> are you using apt-proxy or something like that?
[16:27] <rtubuntugnomemay> nope ... connected directly to internet
[16:30] <FrozenFire> So I just updated to 13.04, and updated everything out of the gnome3 PPA. My background is now white, despite having it set black. In fact, no background that I select shows up.
[16:30] <FrozenFire> It'll show up when in the activities menu, but not when looking at the desktop
[16:34] <tommie-lie> rtubuntugnomemay: I'm not aware of any option that turns off this timestamp checking. You could try removing the local package index, rebuilding it and see if the problem still exists
[16:34] <rtubuntugnomemay> please help me...  every time i wish to add ppa,  I have to use command sudo apt-get update,  and every time I get  apt-get update over 25 mb....
[16:35] <rtubuntugnomemay> by the way I am using Ubuntu-gnome 13.04
[16:35] <tommie-lie> rtubuntugnomemay: just rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages*, *Release* and *Sources*
[16:35] <rtubuntugnomemay> Except this I found its excellent by any standard.
[16:36] <tommie-lie> rtubuntugnomemay: but actually I don't think your problem is specific to ubuntu-gnome, apt-get/dpkg is the same in all ubuntu flavours
[16:36] <rtubuntugnomemay> i will try...  give me a minute.
[16:37] <tommie-lie> rtubuntugnomemay: after removing those files, try apt-get update again, it should redownload everything and a second update immediately after should only "Hit" most (if not all) of the sources
[16:38] <mgedmin> FrozenFire, had a similar issue today
[16:39] <mgedmin> FrozenFire, what helped me: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop; then log out and log in again
[16:43] <rtubuntugnomemay> i will try this as well if advice by tommie-lie doesn't work  ( I think it should work !!!)
[16:44] <tommie-lie> rtubuntugnomemay: don't think that logging out and back in again will help with your problem :-P
[16:44] <rtubuntugnomemay> I have no choice
[16:45] <rtubuntugnomemay> i think tommie-lie makes sense
[16:49] <AdonisK> Is there a way to tell which file manager is occupying the desktop?
[16:56] <mgedmin> AdonisK, xprop/xwininfo followed by clicking on the desktop
[16:56] <mgedmin> otoh when it's gnome-shell itself, xprop shows nothing whatsoever, and xwininfo is also not very informative...
[16:57] <mgedmin> the window id printed by xwininfo starts with the same sequence of hex digits as the gnome-shell client id printed by xlsclients
[16:57] <mgedmin> I'm not sure how reliable that is
[16:57] <AdonisK> actually xprop just returned me a bunch of info
[16:58] <mgedmin> cool
[17:03] <AdonisK> Something weird is going on with my upgraded UGR 12.10 which I'm trying to debug. It seems like when I'm firstly logging into my account via gdm, nautilus is either bugged (or maybe ubuntu is loading something else?). Because it doesn't load the selected icon themes, background-images, options etc from either system settings or the gnome tweak tool
[17:04] <AdonisK> If i use the tweak tool to toggle the have the file system occupy the desktop off and then back on, then everything starts working properly
[17:05] <mgedmin> perhaps desktop nautilus starts up before gnome-settings-daemon?
[17:05] <mgedmin> I'm not a gnome developer
[17:07] <rt_>  tommie-lie  ,  you are geneous...  it worked.
[17:07] <rt_> Thanks for great advice
[17:29] <AdonisK> yep, this happens whenever shell (re)starts
[17:30] <mgedmin> (I'm not sure the use case of nautilus handling the desktop is still supported in recent gnome 3 releases)
[17:42] <AdonisK> My main problem is not loading the selected icons, not the desktop. It's just that the only way to get them to work is by toggling the desktop
[18:21] <pkulas> Hey, any1 got similar problem? After install from usb disk, Ubuntu doesn't load. After few seconds by selecting ubuntu from grub menu black screen, monitor goes off
[19:38] <happy> hi
[19:39] <user__> I like the appearance of ubuntugnome.org. It is soft, clear and simple.
[19:41] <happy> yes its very nice
[19:41] <happy> only problem im having with it is flashplayer
[19:46] <piotr409> What's wrong with 64bit install disk? After install "Reboot or select proper Boot device..." Installed with configuration (root / 200GB, swap 8GB, efi 200MB)
[20:08] <Yangson> Hi all! Sorry if the question is lame but I want to know more about the ‘Install Alongside’ thing. This means that I can't install it along with Windows (for ex.)? Tnx!
[20:11] <Yangson> anyone?
[20:13] <hashem> Yangson, someone could give you a better answer if you wait a bit, but I assume that feature is a no-hassle way of dual-booting. There shouldn't (though I may be wrong) be anything stopping you from creating a shrinking a current windows partition (creating a blank partition) from windows and then installing ubuntu gnome to that partition.
[20:14] <hashem> *stopping you from shrinking a ...
[20:15] <Yangson> ok...
[20:16] <Yangson> I saw the issue in comments and start thinking about it... I use the ubuntu-gnome remix and I really like it!
[21:02] <dany_> hi everyone. I'm running Ubuntu GNOME 12.10, what's the right procedure to upgrade to 13.04?
[21:19] <ibi> great dev ubuntu gnome =)
[21:19] <ibi> thanks
[22:43] <noumaan> hi I have ubuntu 13.04 and i would like to replace it with ubuntu gnome can i do this by changing sources.list or installing a meta-package
[22:44] <noumaan> i already have gnome-shell installed but i would like a pure gnome computer clean and clutter free
[23:40] <victorurena> hi programers world


[09:21] <tdr112> what.time is it.on today
[10:09] <airurando> tdr112: 1pm to 3 pm ish
[10:09] <airurando> local time off course.....
[10:09]  * airurando might be a bit late
[10:10] <airurando> just returned home from the south within the last few minutes
[10:11] <airurando> need to get myself organised and then hit the road from here.
[10:11] <airurando> Tipp supporters on the LUAS might delay me.
[10:11] <airurando> I hope the red cow luas car park isn't fill by the time I get there!!
[19:30] <airurando> why is loco.ubuntu.com so very slow?
[20:18] <tdr112> evening
[20:20] <ebel> hello
[20:20] <Pendulum> hi
[20:27] <daxroc> Evening


[01:30] <superm1> Twiggy2cents: check linux-firmware-nonfree
[23:40] <marsilainen> hi all, I have a mythbuntu 11.04 install which has been running fine for around a year now, but just recently (last few weeks) I've had a problem where the box keeps losing its network connection for some reason
[23:41] <marsilainen> every so often - could be a few hours, could be a few days - it loses its connection to the network
[23:41] <marsilainen> it looks from the logs as though it goes searching for a new DHCP address, but fails
[23:41] <marsilainen> no other machines on my network seem to be having issues though
[23:42] <marsilainen> grateful for any ideas...
[23:42] <bobweaver> that is backend ?
[23:42] <bobweaver> only *
[23:42] <marsilainen> backend & frontend
[23:43] <bobweaver> not sure though I am sure someone else can help
[23:44] <bobweaver> I am looking for help with meta data I am getting back data but no fan art from TMDB tvdb works great
[23:44] <marsilainen> it's even more of a problem since I'm using a hdhomerun as tuner - so when I lose network, I lose the ability to record TV :/
[23:44] <bobweaver> I have rm all pirated movies but it still wont get the fan art
[23:44] <bobweaver> OOuch
[23:45] <bobweaver> marsilainen,  this is staic lease ?
[23:45] <bobweaver> that you have ?
[23:46] <marsilainen> the mythtv box gets IP from DHCP - the DHCP server is setup to give a particular IP to that box (based on MAC)
[23:46] <bobweaver> cool  yeah I am not sure at all you hosts file is all good ? and you are not losing power correct
[23:47] <marsilainen> pretty much everything on my network is configured that way, and this is the only box with issues so I don't think it's a problem with the DHCP server or anything like that
[23:47] <marsilainen> definitely no loss of power and I haven't really touched hosts file - at least not since I set it up a year ago
[23:48] <bobweaver> 0.25 ? or 24 ?
[23:48] <bobweaver> myth that is