[04:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I can look into that in the morning.
[04:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: no rush
[04:43] <OvenWerks> It may also be the changelog
[04:43] <OvenWerks> compare to controls
[17:01] <scotify> hello all! I've been using Ubuntu Studio for 6 years as my main workstation, I'm a big fan of it, many thanks!
[17:01] <scotify> I'm interested in contributing in any way that would be helpful, though package management seems most interesting to me...
[17:04] <OvenWerks> cool, I hate packaging :P
[17:05] <OvenWerks> I think Eickmeyer[m] is away for the wekend though and would be the best person to help show you wich way to get started.
[17:06] <scotify> ha
[17:07] <scotify> okay, shall I check back here? Launchpad?
[17:09] <m_ad[m]> yep, you can check back later in this channel if you like :)
[17:10] <scotify> will do
[17:10] <scotify> thanks!
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: The problem with -menu is definitely in the changelog. There's a double entry for 0.28.1, your latest needs to be 0.28.2, and you don't have a valid email address at the end of the section.
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> scotify: Welcome! I'd love to get you started, and if you feel packaging is the best way, you might want to read-up at https://packaging.ubuntu.com. We use git for our versioning system so ignore anything with bzr.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> Hold up, wrong address...
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> No, I had it right, just not the right protocol. It's http://packaging.ubuntu.com
[18:01] <Eickmeyer> Sadly, I'm still, even after a year, in the early stages.
[18:02] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Better yet, change your version to 0.29. I might change that to 19.10.0 in the future. Still deciding on the best strategy.
[18:05] <scotify> thanks! I'll head over and read up
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You might want to merge Ross's fix into your main branch.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> When the auto builds was first set up we had to leave the version as the old one or when a new version came out it would not dl. That was with bzr though and who knows where things have gone. I may start just doing sw and let others figure out the package stuff.
[21:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If you'd like, I can bump the version number. Thing is, for some reason, the autobuild version is seen by apt as being "behind" the release version. I think it has somethiing to do with the ~{revtime} field.
[21:35] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ya, in controls the "+git" seems to make it work.
[21:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Then it's a combination of the two factors (lacking the +git and the duplicate version numbers in the changelog). I'll fix the git, but I'm not where I can fix the changelog right now.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> don't worry about for now.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> menu-add is a long way from "ready"
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I just fixed the recipe for -menu.
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> New build requested.
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> I might just go through all of the recipes and make that change.
[21:41] <Eickmeyer> But yes, you're right, bzr and git have definite differences on launchpad in how things are built.


[19:37] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:38] <lifeless> indeed
[19:38] <snail> mōrena koutou
[19:57] <ajmitch> morning
[20:10] <ibeardslee> hmm, must remember to remove the phone from the USB before rebooting
[20:12] <snail> your phone is a book disk?
[20:24] <ibeardslee> snail: no it's not a boot disk .. but it must have been seeing something that was halting the boot process
[20:24] <snail> i hope this wasn't a remote boot?
[20:24] <ibeardslee> nah local disk boot
[20:25] <ibeardslee> one of the guys here had some interesting problems after upgrading with his phone charging on USB
[20:28] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: I frequently had problems if I left my external hard drive plugged in
[20:29] <ajmitch> seems that the device numbering is indeterminate, so I'd get grub trying to load a kernel off an ntfs filesystem
[20:32] <ibeardslee> that's what the uuid rather the sda1 numbering was supposed to fix right?
[20:32] <snail> ibeardslee: that was the theory
[20:33] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: right, I was using grub 1.x still
[20:34] <ajmitch> so it had root=(hd1,0), and that sort of thing still in the grub configuration
[21:28] <mwhudson> morning
[21:39] <thumper> morning
[21:44] <kcj> Morning.
[21:56] <chilts> morning :)
[22:30] <ojwb> morning
[22:44] <kcj> Stupid daylight saving.  I was doing well until then!
[22:45] <kcj> lol
[22:46] <kcj> I wish we didn't have daylight savings.
[22:46] <kcj> It doesn't save anything.
[22:47] <kcj> It's more trouble than it's worth.
[23:12] <snail> interesting to see this in the mass press http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6677304/Why-have-just-one-operating-system
[23:48] <mwhudson> ooh, i can use my laptop display and an external monitor in precise!
[23:49] <ibeardslee> you couldn't get it to happen with the earlier versions?
[23:53] <mwhudson> not sensibly
[23:53] <mwhudson> i may not have tried with oneiric


[20:29] <highvoltage> stgraber: around?
[20:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: yeah
[20:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: have some time to review a quick edubuntu story?
[20:30] <stgraber> dealing with SRUs... pushed 10 or so since this morning...
[20:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: http://edubuntu.org/2012-01-17/anki-review
[20:30] <highvoltage> (not yet published)
[20:30] <stgraber> highvoltage: looking while LP builds ifupdown :)
[20:30] <highvoltage> ah, ouch
[20:31] <highvoltage> stgraber: ok, cool
[20:31] <highvoltage> I need a picture too but I can't think of anything nice to add
[20:32] <stgraber> highvoltage: hehe, I was just about to say that (well, the, we need a picture) :)
[20:34] <stgraber> highvoltage: I actually wrote a software like that back when I had to learn huge word lists, was limited to text only though but worked with score per entry, then mixing the failed ones within the well known ones and so on :)
[20:35] <stgraber> was pretty efficient, could learn 200-300 words in 2-3 hours. Was good for filling short term memory, not so much for long term, but who cares when you're at school :)
[20:35] <highvoltage> stgraber: cool
[20:36] <highvoltage> I was actually thinkin that I could use it for French
[20:36] <stgraber> yeah, should work pretty well if you do it quite often
[20:41] <highvoltage> stgraber: I still haven't gotten round to reporting my login problem on humboldt, could you perhaps upload https://www.linux.com/images/stories/ss-anki-card-math.png to the server? the drupal file upload thingy doesn't work either.
[20:42] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://www.edubuntu.org/sites/default/files/images/ss-anik-card-math.png
[20:43] <stgraber> or not ...
[20:43] <stgraber> highvoltage: http://www.edubuntu.org/sites/default/files/images/ss-anki-card-math.png
[20:43] <stgraber> works better without a typo
[20:43] <highvoltage> indeed
[21:03] <highvoltage> posted
[21:04] <stgraber> cool
[21:04] <stgraber> highvoltage, alkisg: Might be worth writting something about epoptes once alpha-2 is out so we can get testers to actually play with it.
[21:04] <stgraber> for now the only feedback I got on it is from alkisg and well, he's the upstream ;)
[21:05] <alkisg> Hehe no I'm not biased :P
[21:05] <alkisg> I'll send a mail to the edubuntu-users list to call for translators too
[21:05] <highvoltage> stgraber: yeah, I was thinking that too :)
[21:05] <alkisg> Once 0.4.0 hits the precise archives


[12:05] <kilon> aloha people
[18:02] <Tekkit_> hi, i have a problem
[18:03] <Tekkit_> my Hamachi keeps saying Failed to connect to the engine


[03:20] <DonVitoCorleone> When I run sudo apt --get install <something> where those new things will be installed ?
[04:31] <Programmer_> http://youtu.be/sE_sS_5MbXU i love my school
[08:19] <usr_> Hello, I had problem since yesterday I think it's  very complicated: When I use Kubuntu 13.04 suddenly without notification everything turns to a black screen with command lines then I can't do anything in the computer even restart it so I press shutdown button or it won't shutdown from the operating system I think it's kernal bug ? Anyone here facing the same problem ?
[08:22] <usr_> Why this chat is fucking dead !
[08:22] <valorie> !cod
[08:22] <valorie> oops
[08:23] <valorie> !coc
[08:23] <valorie> usr, you asked a question for which no one had the answer
[08:23] <valorie> that's no reason to say something like that
[08:24] <usr_> Yes sir
[08:24] <valorie> I have the lastest 13.04 and experience nothing like that
[08:24] <valorie> are you sure you aren't experiencing overheating or something like that?
[08:24] <usr_> Don't tell me hardware becuase I'm 60000000% sure they're working better than you
[08:24] <valorie> ok
[08:25] <valorie> then I would look at x error logs
[08:25] <usr_> Where can I find it ?
[08:26] <szx> anybody knows how to fix this? --> http://askubuntu.com/questions/304396/missing-show-a-launcher-when-not-running-option-in-kde
[08:26] <valorie> if you have evidence that it's a kernel bug, try #ubuntu-kernel
[08:27] <usr_> becuase when this problem happened I can't restart or do anything in my Laptop which means its fundamental problem !
[08:27] <valorie> sure
[08:27] <valorie> kernel stuff is in the /sys/kernel
[08:28] <usr_> Now I'm updating Kubuntu hopefully this will solve the problem but this happened to me before with ubuntu 13.04
[08:29] <usr_> I'll try to change the kernal to older versions what do you think ?
[08:29] <valorie> !downgrade
[08:29] <valorie> very difficult, imo
[08:30] <valorie> you can choose an older one in grub though
[08:30] <valorie> if you haven't discarded it
[08:33] <usr_> Okay so let me wait after update I'll see the result
[08:34] <valorie> that sounds like a good idea
[08:34] <valorie> meanwhile, you might google a bit about your issue
[08:34] <valorie> and see where the error logs are that might help you report it to someone who can help
[08:34] <valorie> unfortunately, that person isn't me
[08:36] <usr_> I did
[08:36] <usr_> But I didn't find anything
[08:37] <usr_> I'm not stupid to annony you without a reason
[08:38] <IdleOne> nobody said you are stupid.
[08:38] <IdleOne> Please try to remember that people here are volunteers.
[08:44] <usr_> volunteers ? Yes I know
[08:45] <usr_> But this is not the case ! if they're volunteers I can turn to windows and they're workers better than volunteers
[08:47] <Aethysius> #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:47] <Aethysius> ack
[08:49] <soee> is it possible to have different distros installed on one PC  visible as a separate installaions in grub ?
[08:50] <tsimpson> sure
[08:57] <usr_> I face a problem with Ubuntu 13.04 sudden kernal panic http://s1.directupload.net/images/130530/pqrvetxb.jpg
[08:57] <usr_> Help me please its very serious problem It happens regularly !
[09:00] <valorie> usr, now is the time to visit #ubuntu-kernel
[09:01] <valorie> now that you can show them something
[09:06] <usr_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1181392
[09:06] <usr_> I guess I solved the problem from there
[09:09] <valorie> usr_: great!
[09:09] <valorie> did you add your input to the bug?
[09:10] <usr_> No,  just update and installed  firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[09:10] <valorie> at least click the "this bug affects me too" please
[09:12] <usr_> you faced the same problem ?
[09:13] <valorie> no
[09:14] <usr_> Anyway I think I just solved it
[09:19] <IdleOne> great.
[10:01] <luiscuerdo> hello could someone help me? i am trying to install a program in kubuntu, and I have no idea what i am doing
[10:02] <luiscuerdo> it is the translation toolkit it is a setup.py file, do i need to download phyton
[10:02] <luiscuerdo> I downloaded python, but I dont know how to install it eithe
[10:02] <luiscuerdo> can i use lokalize in kubuntu?
[10:13] <rymate1234> Hi
[10:14] <rymate1234> why is my alt+f2 not running krunner
[11:46] <DonVitoCorleone> When I run sudo apt --get install <something> where those new things will be installed ?
[11:47] <bendersteed> you can de
[11:47] <DonVitoCorleone> o_O
[11:47] <DonVitoCorleone> :D
[11:50] <tsimpson> DonVitoCorleone: all over the place, but generally always under /usr
[11:59] <bendersteed> DonVitoCorleone: i was to write something but my girlfriend was shouting because i was smoking inside
[11:59] <bendersteed> sorry
[11:59] <DonVitoCorleone> :D
[11:59] <DonVitoCorleone> No problem :)
[11:59] <DonVitoCorleone> And don't smoke, you'll die young !!! :D
[12:02] <DonVitoCorleone> I've done that sudo thing with eggdrop and supybot and now i can't fiend config files to edit them
[12:02] <DonVitoCorleone> -.-
[12:03] <tsimpson> you usually don't edit config files from package, but create ones (generally in ~/)
[12:04] <tsimpson> supybot doesn't require editing any config files, as you use "supybot-wizard" to create one somewhere
[12:05] <DonVitoCorleone> I already run supybot but I just wanted to try again becuase this one I've installed when I was using Windows
[12:05] <bendersteed> anyway with this command you can see the files tha a package installs apt-file list packagename
[12:06] <tsimpson> you don't need apt-file, only if you want to search for files in packages you don't have installed
[12:06] <tsimpson> "dpkg -L package" will list all files from an installed package
[12:06] <bendersteed> ah, sure
[12:06] <bendersteed> yep, yep
[12:07] <DonVitoCorleone> /usr/bin
[12:07] <DonVitoCorleone> and /usr/share
[12:07] <DonVitoCorleone> :)
[12:07] <DonVitoCorleone> Thanks guys :)
[12:08] <xiaopi[z]> i need to restart the muon package manager between 2 search everytime, anybody else has the same issue ?
[12:10] <xiaopi[z]> search => find package => set to install => start another search (can't display any packages)
[12:10] <bendersteed> xiaopi[z]: not me
[12:10] <bendersteed> everything is fine here
[12:10] <xiaopi[z]> pretty weird :/
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:08] <JoeSomebody> i asked this in ##linux, was relatively pointless, can netflix work in linux? so if they do not know, or are hoarding the answer, i shall try everywhere else
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Short answer: Nope.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> JoeSomebody, there is atutorial for ubuntu/unity , but netflix works very poorly in Kubuntu ..I tried it , constant freezing , dropped frames , it's amess
[13:25] <JoeSomebody> owner of netflix owns shares in microsoft
[13:27] <BluesKaj> JoeSomebody, you can tryt this , and good luck ,http://www.itworld.com/software/358908/install-netflix-ubuntu-1304
[13:59] <bailey> hello
[13:59] <bailey> duh helloooooo
[14:00] <genii> Hm.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> I'm crossposting bercause I should have posted this in here , wonder why the Windows 7 L2TP/IPsec vpn connection is so much faster than the Linux equivalent ...must be missing an important setting , but haven't been able to track it down
[15:06] <m0nk3yjoe> I'm on Kubuntu 13.04 with LibreOffice <IP_ADDRESS> and spell check doesn't work.  Everytime I try to reset the language to EN-US it just goes off after I make any changes in the document.  Has anyone seen this?
[15:16] <RaymondTracer_> Hey
[15:16] <RaymondTracer_> I have a problem with "Additional Drivers"
[15:17] <RaymondTracer_> Simply put, it just doesnt open
[15:17] <RaymondTracer_> I have terminal open
[15:17] <RaymondTracer_> How do I open it in terminal? I need a log to show someone
[15:18] <OerHeks> i think it is "jockey-gtk "
[15:20] <genii> Maybe jockey-kde
[15:23] <RaymondTracer_> http://paste.kde.org/777182/
[15:23] <RaymondTracer_> Alright, so anyone knows what's going on?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> RaymondTracer_, have you updated/upgraded lately ? I have to ask
[15:27] <RaymondTracer_> I dont think so
[15:27] <BluesKaj> might be a good idea
[15:28] <RaymondTracer_> After the LightDM greeter died from an update, I've been feeling reluctent to update most of the time
[15:28] <BluesKaj> that's an old issue , already solved
[15:29] <RaymondTracer_> I think the last time I updated was about 2 weeks ago
[15:31] <RaymondTracer_> BluesKaj: How do broken applications make it onto the stable line of updates?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> dependencies
[15:33] <BluesKaj> mostly
[15:36] <RaymondTracer_> Ah ok
[15:38] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:38]  * genii sips
[15:51] <RaymondTracer_> Hey
[15:52] <RaymondTracer_> BluesKaj: The same error happens
[15:54] <BluesKaj> RaymondTracer_, what are you trying to install from additional drivers , graphics drivers or ?
[15:54] <genii> Are you calling this from in Konsole in an X session, or from CLI login?
[15:54] <RaymondTracer_> Yeah
[15:54] <RaymondTracer_> In an X session I reckon
[15:54] <RaymondTracer_> I'm using KDE
[15:54] <RaymondTracer_> So I think it'd be an X session
[15:55] <RaymondTracer_> Oh, yeah, in an X session, I misread
[15:56]  * genii smacks the floodbots
[15:56] <RaymondTracer_> BluesKaj: Graphics Drivers
[15:57] <BluesKaj> RaymondTracer_, which graphics card ?
[15:57] <RaymondTracer_> Saphire Radeon HD 5770
[15:57] <RaymondTracer_> Saphire AMD/ATI*
[16:00] <RaymondTracer_> BluesKaj
[16:01] <RaymondTracer_> genii: Anything?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> RaymondTracer_, ATI Radeon drivers are such a mixed bag that I've lost track of what works for which card
[16:02] <RaymondTracer_> Hm
[16:02] <BluesKaj> but I suspect for 2D effects the fglrx driver will probly work
[16:02] <RaymondTracer_> The 5770 is such mixed big in itself
[16:03] <RaymondTracer_> Before 13, sometimes the AMD drivers sometimes I had to uninstall and use Additional Drivers
[16:03] <genii> RaymondTracer_: Have you tried kdesudo jockey-kde
[16:03] <RaymondTracer_> Kubuntu 13, I mean
[16:03] <RaymondTracer_> genii: Yeah, same error
[16:03] <RaymondTracer_> Exact same error
[16:08] <genii> RaymondTracer_: When's the last time you ran updates? This looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/1012106  but it says there a fix was released
[16:08] <RaymondTracer_> I restarted
[16:08] <RaymondTracer_> uh
[16:08] <RaymondTracer_> Just before, when I disconnected
[16:09] <genii> ( posting #4 there has same output exactly as your pastebin)
[16:09] <RaymondTracer_> Nearly
[16:10] <RaymondTracer_> I have __init__.py instead of detection and xorg_driver
[16:11] <RaymondTracer_> Diffrent ImportError too
[16:11] <RaymondTracer_> Does that matter?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:32] <DonVitoCorleone> I don't have write access to root, and I'm only user on this PC, what should I do ?
[17:31] <chester> руссь есть?
[17:33] <lordievader> Hmm, russian?
[17:33] <lordievader> !ru
[17:33] <chester>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[17:34] <lordievader> !pm | chester
[17:40] <chester> sorry all, see u
[17:49] <roadfish> my camera is mounted in Dolphin at location:
[17:49] <roadfish>     camera:/Canon PowerShot A510 (PTP mode)@usb:004,032/store_00010001/DCIM/352CANON
[17:50] <roadfish> actually, this is where my jpg files are
[17:50] <roadfish> is there any way to access these files directly ... like with bash?
[17:50] <roadfish> for instance, is there some "cd ..." location that I can jump to?
[17:51] <lordievader> roadfish: Dolphin probably mounts the camera in a very dirty way. To access the camera through the terminal I'd mount it (in the terminal) using the mount command.
[17:52] <Aethysius> I use Nautilus.
[17:53] <roadfish> ok. I've always pulled out the memory card and put into a SD reader. but I'd like to start mounting the camera directly.
[17:54] <lordievader> roadfish: It is very probable that your camera acts as an SD reader when you plug it in a computer. To see the available partitions run "sudo fdisk -l"
[17:57] <roadfish> I don't see it in the "sudo fdisk -l". it's an old camera. 2005. ... if relevant, I noticed Dolphin says the camera is mounted as PTP.
[17:58] <nohas> hello
[17:58] <lordievader> roadfish: Oh... sometimes you can disable that functionality in the camera.
[19:13] <__dan__> hi there, anyone around?
[19:13] <__dan__> having bluetooth pairing issues could use some help
[20:06] <yrushi> hi
[20:13] <yrushi> !kubuntu
[20:14] <genii> yrushi: Hello! If you have some question regarding your Kubuntu, you can just ask the channel in general, and someone may take up an answer.
[20:26] <gits1225> Extract files
[20:26] <gits1225> Refresh
[20:26] <gits1225> Now Dolphin sees it
[20:27] <gits1225> Copy files
[20:27] <gits1225> Refresh
[20:27] <gits1225> Now Dolphin sees it
[20:30] <Legimet> what??
[20:33] <gits1225> Dolphin -- the file manager -- doesn't update itself(?) when changes are made like copy/extract, unless F5(refresh) is manually done
[20:34] <genii> ubuntu-bug dolphin ...and report it as a bug
[23:16] <DonVitoCorleone> Is there any kind of firewall on kubuntu ?
[23:16] <DonVitoCorleone> And how to open ports on it ?
[23:18] <genii> !firewall
[23:22] <genii> Hm.
[23:22] <genii> !info guarddog
[23:22] <genii> !info guarddog lucid
[23:22] <genii> !info guarddog precise
[23:30] <genii> !firewall
[23:39] <resizt0r> could someone help me share my external hdd with my windows network using kubuntu 13.04?


[01:33] <micahg> do we want mousetweaks back?  Bug #1055038
[05:42] <knome> micahg, if we have space for it
[05:44] <micahg> knome: looks small enough, we can try after beta 2
[05:46] <knome> yup
[06:54] <olbi> hello
[06:54] <olbi> I have found some strange behaviour when using LibreOffice Writet
[06:54] <olbi> when I have a whole page of text
[06:55] <olbi> and try to mark all of them, then at 3/4 of page, it becomes unmarked
[06:55] <olbi> it is at Xubuntu 12.10 with all daily updates
[06:56] <olbi> some1 could check this
[06:56] <olbi> on Xubuntu 11.10 and Xubuntu 12.04 all is ok
[07:39] <noskcaj> olbi: post the questing in #ubuntu-testing as well
[07:49] <olbi> ok, done :D
[14:58] <xnox> pleia2: remember when you reported the bug against ubiquity that thunar automounted partitions and ubiquity was driving you crazy with popups to unmount the partitions?!
[14:59] <xnox> pleia2: were you madly clicking yes, and it would only re-popup the same popup instead of doing anything useful?
[15:00] <elfy> I hate gparted at the moment for exactly the same reason xnox
[15:00] <xnox> elfy: ubiquity does not use gparted. I don't use gparted either. Therefore I don't care about gparted that much =)
[15:01] <elfy> just saying :p
[15:01] <xnox> =)
[15:01] <elfy> I hate having each partition showing in an install twice two
[15:01] <elfy> just saying ;)
[15:01] <smartboyhw> =)
[15:03] <xnox> elfy: explain?
[15:04] <elfy> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1039375
[15:04] <elfy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/113051637/Screenshot%20-%20210812%20-%2006%3A58%3A33.png
[15:04] <elfy> screenie shows it without reading stuff :)
[15:32] <xnox> elfy: not ubiquity. BTW use nautilus.
[15:32]  * xnox hides
[15:33] <elfy> I shall squeam
[15:33] <elfy> or just use kde :p
[15:33]  * smartboyhw will not go away from Xfce
[15:34] <elfy> xnox:  no - I know it's not ubiquity - I'm not too worried about ubiquity - I only tend to use it now and again :p
[15:34] <elfy> smartboyhw: I shall remember and copy that quote ;)
[15:34] <smartboyhw> elfy: Why?
[15:35]  * smartboyhw is now afraid of getting into trouble...
[15:36] <elfy> :)
[16:10] <pleia2> xnox: there were no dialogs (nothing to madly click yes to), thunar windows just popped up on their own after I manually set up some partitions
[16:11] <xnox> pleia2: hmmm... so you didn't click "install now" while keeping thunar as it is?!
[16:12] <pleia2> xnox: I set up my partitions, then probably yeah, I did "install now" (if that's the "next" type button on that screen :))
[16:13] <xnox> pleia2: and then it should have offered you to unmount those partitions?
[16:13] <pleia2> I don't think so
[16:13]  * xnox is suspecting that unmounting partitions via ubiquity doesn't really work, but probably it is fixed in other ways now.
[16:13] <pleia2> I can test again tonight if you need (it's 9:15AM and I've just started work :))
[16:15] <xnox> pleia2: meh... I will be out at volleyball & probably will run that test next time I'm to do a test run, given that it is a milestone week it is quite lickely I will anyway =)
[16:15] <pleia2> ok
[16:16] <pleia2> knome or anyone - any comments on the docs post I have pending in xubuntu.org wordpress?
[16:16] <knome> pleia2, as i said, i did a few changes
[16:16] <knome> pleia2, and added some
[16:16] <knome> pleia2, did you look at those yet?
[16:17] <knome> (hey)
[16:17] <pleia2> yep, looks good
[16:18] <knome> don't know what else should be changed - maybe nothing
[16:18] <knome> we will have to eventually release anyway
[16:18] <knome> and we need to write b2 notes too
[16:19] <pleia2> I'll just publish, don't want it lost in all b2 release madness :)
[16:20] <knome> yup, that's what i was trying to gently say
[16:20] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/offlin-rewritten-documentation-for-12-10/
[16:21] <pleia2> oops
[16:21] <knome> oopsee
[16:21] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/offline-rewritten-documentation-for-12-10/
[16:21] <pleia2> :)
[16:21] <pleia2> oh, I still have words mixed up
[16:21] <pleia2> gosh
[16:21] <knome> yeah
[16:21] <knome> :D
[16:21] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/news/offline-documentation-rewritten-for-12-10/
[16:21] <pleia2> !
[16:22] <knome> yup
[16:22] <pleia2> moar coffee
[16:22]  * knome goes adding the 12.10 tag
[16:24] <knome> pleia2, http://xubuntu.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=1413&action=edit
[16:24] <knome> pleia2, that's the old beta1 post renamed
[16:25] <pleia2> ok, tweeted and G+ed
[16:25] <knome> great
[16:38] <ailo> Is there a volume applet in Xubuntu 12.10 currently?
[16:44] <Sysi> I think indicator-sound is working again
[16:44] <elfy> ailo: there is here
[16:44] <elfy> might have to install it again though
[16:47] <elfy> ailo: I reinstalled indicator-sound-gtk2
[16:51] <ailo> elfy: Yep, that fixed it
[16:51] <elfy> good :)
[18:45] <pleia2> knome: added a section with "notable bug fixes" - there are probably more
[18:46] <pleia2> we also probably want to mention dropping gimp, gnumeric and aisleriot
[18:46] <knome> pleia2, yes
[18:46] <pleia2> since those weren't planned things
[18:46] <knome> and the language changes
[18:46] <pleia2> yeah
[18:46] <knome> -fr-xh-pt from i386, +de amd64
[18:47] <knome> i think i just found a way how i can listen to ac/dc songs without getting annoyed
[18:47] <knome> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVAK3Qsld2c :P
[18:47] <elfy> volume down?
[18:48] <knome> no i actually listened to a whole track...
[18:50] <Sysi> ac/dc isn't that bad, at least the old stuff
[18:51] <Sysi> really old, like high voltage
[18:53] <knome> or even st graber?
[18:53] <knome> (okay, i had to make that pun)


[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:23] <dholbach> itnet7, happy birthday! :)
[12:47] <itnet7> dholbach: Thanks!! \o/
[12:47] <dholbach> :-)
[12:50]  * nigelb waves to itnet7
[12:50] <nigelb> Happy Birthday!


[05:24] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:05] <ahasenack> rbasak: hi, morning
[12:06] <ahasenack> rbasak: one more g-u question, and I think I asked this already before, but can't remember the answer
[12:06] <ahasenack> how do I record in a merge that a previous debian release not only fixed a debian bug (closes: #xxx), but also an ubuntu bug?
[12:07] <ahasenack> let's say we have 1.1-1, 1.1-1ubuntu1, 1.1-2 (Closes: #xx), 1.1-3, 1.1-3ubuntu1 <- my merge
[13:16] <rbasak> ahasenack: I don't think there's a common pattern to use. You can use free text to explain what happened in your latest changelog entry mentioning the bug. Or close the LP bug manually.
[13:16] <ahasenack> ok
[15:24] <ahasenack> rbasak: oh, I had a question I forgot
[15:24] <ahasenack> rbasak: how can I run dep8 tests with packages from a ppa?
[15:25] <ahasenack>        --add-apt-source='deb http://MIRROR SUITE COMPONENT...'
[15:25] <ahasenack> ^maybe I just need that in the command line
[15:25] <ahasenack> yeah, I'll try that
[15:25] <ahasenack> rbasak: n/m, carry on )
[15:25] <ahasenack> :)
[16:38] <nacc> ahasenack: iirc, that's documented on the ubuntu wiki
[18:32] <station> so yesturday I recived my first server motherboard A1SRi-2758F set up jumper correctly connected PSU, SSD, keyboard, VGA Monitor and USB OMVault from IMPI started everything OK but noooo since a day I trie to find the solution to the reboots switched PSU, HDD … it restarts itself randomly without any flicker of the LEDS as if it would lose power all seems by the book. Usualy I reach finish coppy of OMV to HDD and even reachin
[18:32] <station> inal settings to finish install.
[18:33] <station> but even when only browse the Bios still the same
[18:40] <sarnold> station: did anything make it to the logs?
[18:41] <sarnold> station: does the bios expect a watchdog program to run after boot?
[18:41] <station> bios watchdog enabled and jumper set
[18:41] <station> logs????
[18:42] <station> on IMPI ??
[18:43] <blackflow> in the OS that's rebooting, silly. :)
[18:44] <station> there isent yet a OS besides the Instal USB stick with OMV
[18:44] <blackflow> oh sorry, thought it was ubuntu server issue.
[18:45] <nacc> why are you asking about omvault or hardware issues in #ubuntu-server?
[18:45] <nacc> station: --^
[18:45] <station> it only nearly finishes install from USB, didnt yet boot from HDD
[18:45] <station> hardware issues
[18:45] <station> OMV is only the testing
[18:46] <nacc> station: right, so ask in ##hardware?
[18:46] <nacc> station: sounds like buggy hardware
[18:46] <station> server hardware …
[18:46] <station> ok sory
[18:46] <nacc> station: ubuntu server (the software product) can't do anything with buggy hardware
[18:47] <nacc> i feel like that's rather obvious
[18:47] <nacc> get your hardware in order
[18:48] <Ussat> WAT !!!! come on......why cant Ubuntu fix hardware now :)
[18:49] <Ussat> (I jets obviousely)
[18:49] <Ussat> jest
[18:49] <nacc> heh
[18:50] <sarnold> "bios watchdog enabled"
[18:50] <sarnold> I have to wonder if this is exactly his  problem
[19:18] <Goop> Yo, I'm trying to play Minecraft (a Java game) on an Ubuntu server. I was able to VNC into the server, but the game crashes because it doesn't see a screen to use.
[19:18] <Goop> How do I fix this?
[19:19] <dlloyd> running it how?
[19:21] <nacc> !crosspost | Goop
[19:21] <nacc> they are already being helped in #ubuntu
[19:21] <Goop> vnc4server, running the Ubuntu gnome.
[20:24] <nacc> ahasenack: fwiw, i think it's easier to put the LP: # in the changelog (so that it's tied to the upload in Launchpad and if a user is affectged by the bug). Also makes it easier to figure out SRUs that way.
[20:24] <ahasenack> nacc: but it wasn't fixed in that particular version referred to in the changelog, it was fixed before in an intermediary debian release
[20:25] <nacc> ahasenack: but in ubuntu, it ws
[20:25] <nacc> *was
[20:25] <ahasenack> right, in ubuntu, that's the upload that fixes it
[20:25] <nacc> the effet is this upload to ubuntu does close that bug *in ubuntu*
[20:25] <nacc> *effect
[20:26] <nacc> ahasenack: it's also less work for you in theory :)
[20:27] <nacc> ahasenack: alternatively, you could link the MP manually too
[20:27] <ahasenack> that I did
[20:27] <nacc> ah ok
[20:27] <ahasenack> but it won't close the bug on its own
[20:28] <nacc> yeah
[20:28] <ahasenack> nacc: https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/348424
[20:28] <nacc> ahasenack: ah thanks; i just saw the mail
[21:01] <nacc> ddstreet: thanks for showing me up :-P
[21:02] <ddstreet> nacc lol nah just reinforcing what you said :)
[21:02] <nacc> ddstreet: yeah, i probably should have done more cursory grepping :)


[07:18] <siji> ogra, need help
[07:18] <siji> i updated the kernel as per ur doc
[07:18] <siji> for getting SGX support
[07:19] <siji> no my ubuntu is running frm 2.6.29
[07:19] <siji> but it's giving only 640x480  resolution
[07:35] <mike^> siji: can you send me the doc about getting SGX support, pls?
[07:35] <siji> mike^,http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu
[07:36] <siji> which kernel u are using?
[07:36] <siji> this doc is for ubuntu
[07:36] <mike^> I'm using linux-omap from mainline
[07:37] <mike^> 10x
[07:37] <siji> it's already build with SGX support I think
[07:37] <siji> and which OS?
[07:37] <mike^> Linux :), well, I'm experimenting with Ubuntu and OE
[07:38] <siji> ok for ubuntu refer the above link
[07:38] <siji> ogra made it very nicely
[07:39] <mike^> indeed
[07:39] <mike^> thanks for the link
[07:41] <siji> mike^ say thanks to ogra  :)
[07:42] <mike^> ogra, thanks :)
[07:53] <siji> ogra,I solved
[07:53] <siji> now it's running with proper resolution
[07:53] <siji> :)
[07:56] <mike^> ericm_: Hi
[08:00] <ericm_> hi mike^
[08:01] <ericm_> nice to see you here
[08:01] <ericm_> are you getting ubuntu running on your boards, heh?
[08:01] <mike^> it's semi-illegal :) CompuLab does not allow using IRC :)
[08:02] <mike^> on the pxa270-based :)
[08:02] <ericm_> oh, bad
[08:02] <ericm_> mike^, yeah, ogra has made it very easy, you might try out his rootstock
[08:02] <mike^> kidding :) we are now deep in omap development
[08:03] <ericm_> mike^, that's bad news for Marvell
[08:03] <mike^> I did, I have Ubuntu running on omap3evm
[08:03] <mike^> don't tell them :)
[08:03] <ericm_> mike^, that's great
[08:04] <mike^> ericm_, that's not that we're not going to make any Marvell-based products in the future
[08:04] <mike^> it's just that Aspen is not that good :)
[08:05] <mike^> ericm_, did you by chance have a hands on experience with Dove?
[08:06] <ericm_> mike^, you may ask bjf about dove
[08:06] <ericm_> mike^, I might be taking care of Dove when there are any real products available on the market
[08:07] <mike^> ericm_, I've seen somewhere there's Ubuntu for Dove, I thought it was your work :)
[08:08] <ericm_> mike^, not really, most of the kernel work is done by Marvell Israel
[08:08] <ogra> mike^, it's NCommander for rolling the images and bjf for the kernel ... userspace is identical to imx51
[08:09] <mike^> and what about gfx/video acceleration?
[08:09] <ogra> not in the archive yet
[08:09] <ogra> i know there are drivers being developed by marvell though
[08:09] <ericm_> mike^, that's a real headache - not really a technical issue ;)
[08:10] <mike^> ogra: btw, I have Ubuntu on omap3evm and it's somewhat, well, slow
[08:10] <mike^> is iMX51 better?
[08:10] <ogra> all the imx51 boards you can get atm are shipped with 512MB ... so yeah
[08:11] <mike^> ogra: it's just the memory or the SoC is faster?
[08:11] <ogra> but indeed it depends what you want to do ... wrt graphics omap is advanced because TI at least released some drivers
[08:11] <ogra> SoC is 800MHz
[08:12] <NCommander> ogra, do you know if publisher having issues?
[08:13]  * NCommander is waiting for his kernel to publish since three hours ago :-)
[08:13] <mike^> ogra: I need to choose the best SoC for company future system-on-module :)
[08:13] <ogra> no idea, just finishing my first coffee here and wading through last nights pings
[08:13] <ogra> mike^, whats the target you want to achieve with the SoC
[08:14] <mike^> ogra, building block for net-top like devices
[08:14] <mike^> well, actually net-top like device without the box
[08:15] <ogra> well, depends what you want to invest :) imx51 is great but there are graphical constraints and all peripherial devices are routed through USB (including the disk adapters)
[08:16] <mike^> ogra, and what about Dove?
[08:16] <ogra> dove will likely not be available for the price you can buy imx51 HW for but will have a proper SATA adapter and i have seen that there is work going on for an X server
[08:17] <ogra> so if price is your concern, go with imx51 ... if you want a well supported and speedy solution and can afford to pay a little more, go with dove
[08:18] <mike^> ogra, thanks for the advice :)
[08:19]  * mike^ downloaded OMAP3 GFX SDK and starts testing SGX with Ubuntu
[08:23]  * ericm_ has to reboot his laptop
[08:23] <mike^> ogra, btw, I don't quite understand how the gfx acceleration is supposed to work on omap with SGX. The xserver-xorg-video-omapfb can utilize the SGX hw?
[08:24] <ogra> no idea, i havnet touched any omap HW for quite some time
[08:24] <ogra> lool might be able to help here
[08:24] <mike^> ogra, 10x, I'll wait for lool :)
[08:25] <suihkulokki> mike^: no SGX, but uses DSS for xvideo acceleratioon
[08:26] <mike^> suihkulokki, then SGX can be used only for GL-based apps?
[08:28] <suihkulokki> mike^: with omapfb xserver, that is the case. IIRC there are other xservers which try to use SGX with varying success
[08:30] <ogra> suihkulokki, i found my mono issues with qemu-arm-static btw ... its totally unrelated to qemu :)
[08:31] <mike^> suihkulokki, good to know, thanks
[08:41] <ogra> NCommander, ABI bump ... please take care
[08:42] <NCommander> ogra, I saw, thanks (the kernel team drops a mail on the installer list, and I've been tracking uploads :-))
[08:42] <ogra> so you already talked to colin ?
[08:43] <NCommander> ogra, can you bump the ABI in the d-i bzr repo when you get a chance (unless you prefer I create a branch)
[08:43] <NCommander> ogra, not yet, I saw it towards EOD yesterday
[08:43] <ogra> nope, fine with me
[08:43] <ogra> i just dont want to have to track it myself all the time
[08:43]  * NCommander wishes there was a less manual way to handle ABI bumps
[08:53] <lool> ogra, mike^: Sorry I never played with SGX
[08:55] <ogra> NCommander, it will come, lool filed a bug for it long ago and i saw it's being worked on
[08:57] <lool> ogra NCommander: This upload should drop versions in udeb filenames
[08:58] <lool> chroot-autobuild/build/buildd/kernel-image-2.6.31-100-imx51-di_2.6.31-100.7_armel.udeb:
[08:58] <lool> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2009-08-25 03:03 ./
[08:58] <lool> fail
[08:58] <lool> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2009-08-25 03:02 ./boot/
[08:58] <lool> -rw-r--r-- root/root   2970624 2009-08-25 03:02 ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-100-imx51
[08:59] <lool> -rw-r--r-- root/root   3361440 2009-09-10 04:12 ./boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-204-dove-z0
[08:59] <lool> and fail here too
[08:59] <lool> tss
[08:59] <ogra> bah
[09:17] <lool> apparently next upload
[09:17] <lool> hm no
[09:18] <lool> ah yes
[09:18] <lool> only commit since last upload is this fix
[09:22] <lool> and not committed in dove at all
[09:23] <lool> bjf: ^
[09:46] <rabeeh> bjf: do you have board tracking number?
[09:46] <rabeeh> lool: did you get tracking number?
[09:54] <lool> rabeeh: bjf got the board
[09:55] <lool> rabeeh: I thought I had pinged you about that late yesterday but it seems I forgot sorry
[11:55] <siji> HI all am trying to compile clutter with SGX support
[11:55] <siji> giving error like egl.h not found
[11:55] <siji> frm where can i download it
[11:56] <lool> in the SGX SDK I guess
[11:57] <siji> lool, u mean powervr?
[12:00] <mike^> siji, it should be somewhere in OMAP-GFX-SDK
[12:00] <siji> mike^, ya
[12:01] <mike^> ~/arm/omap/OMAP35x_Graphics_SDK_3_00_00_09 $ find . -name \*egl.h
[12:01] <mike^> ./GFX_Linux_SDK/OVG/SDKPackage/Builds/OVG/Include/GLES/egl.h
[12:01] <mike^> ./GFX_Linux_SDK/OGLES/SDKPackage/Builds/OGLES/Include/GLES/egl.h
[12:01] <mike^> ./GFX_Linux_SDK/OGLES2/SDKPackage/Builds/OGLES2/Include/EGL/egl.h
[12:01] <mike^> ./include/wsegl.h
[12:01] <siji> i already put a request for getting it
[12:01] <siji> but no respond yet
[12:02] <mike^> siji, OE has libgles-omap3 recipy
[12:02] <siji> ok
[12:03] <mike^> siji, this might be usefull: http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/recipes/powervr-drivers/libgles-omap3.inc
[12:04] <siji> ok thanks mike^
[12:06] <siji> will it work if i just copied that egl.h to destination directory
[12:07] <mike^> siji, don't know, I never used clutter
[12:07] <siji> mike^, ok
[12:28] <siji> mike^, nope
[12:28] <siji> giving the same error
[12:28] <siji> checking GLES/egl.h usability... no
[12:28] <siji> checking GLES/egl.h presence... no
[12:28] <siji> checking for GLES/egl.h... no
[12:28] <siji> configure: error: Unable to locate required GLES headers
[13:54] <Mysterious> help! I need somebody. Help not just anybody. heeelp ; D
[13:55] <Mysterious> my pocket pc is running on arm9. i need a precompiled kernel image
[14:19] <mike^> Mysterious, what is your pocket pc model?
[14:21] <siji> Mysterious, or what is your pocket  model?  :)
[14:46] <mike^> checking GLES/egl.h usability... yes
[14:46] <mike^> checking GLES/egl.h presence... yes
[14:46] <mike^> checking for GLES/egl.h... yes
[14:46] <mike^> checking GLES/gl.h usability... yes
[14:46] <mike^> checking GLES/gl.h presence... yes
[14:46] <mike^> checking for GLES/gl.h... yes
[14:46] <mike^> checking for eglInitialize in -lGLES_CM... yes
[14:46] <mike^> siji, is that what you're looking for?
[14:58] <siji> mike^,yes
[15:01] <siji> mike^,u there
[15:01] <siji> ??
[15:03] <mike^> Mysterious, what is your pocket pc model?
[15:03] <mike^> siji, I've built it natively
[15:03] <mike^> apt-get build-dep clutter
[15:03] <siji> oh ok
[15:03] <siji> let me try
[15:03] <siji> thanks
[15:03] <mike^> cp /path/to/GFX/SDK/Include/... /usr/include
[15:03] <mike^> etc..
[15:04] <siji> ok
[15:04] <Mysterious> oh hi
[15:04] <mike^> siji, the debian rules for clutter use glx as default GL flavour, so be careful
[15:04] <Mysterious> Well
[15:04] <Mysterious> it's not really a pocket pc but a navigation system
[15:05] <mike^> Mysterious, what is its model?
[15:05] <mike^> CPU?
[15:05] <Mysterious> my processor type is: Samsung ARM920T-S3C2443
[15:06] <Mysterious> 128MB RAM
[15:06] <Mysterious> pre installed wince core 5.0
[15:06] <mike^> I'm not sure Ubuntu will live on that
[15:06] <Mysterious> :(
[15:07] <mike^> you can try OpenEmbedded
[15:07] <Mysterious> ok
[15:07] <Mysterious> have you got experiances in using CyaCE
[15:07] <mike^> as for the kernel, s3c are supported by the mainline, but most probably you'll need to add a file or two to make it work on your device
[15:07] <mike^> what is CyaCE?
[15:08] <Mysterious> It's a Bootloader that might be able to run linux from wince environment
[15:08] <Mysterious> http://www.linux-mips.org/linux-vr/booting.html
[15:11] <mike^> Mysterious, first time here about it :)
[15:11] <Mysterious> :S
[15:13] <Mysterious> The program says that it needs a precompiled kernel image "vmlinux" or something like that
[15:15] <mike^> Mysterious, so you'll need to build one :) I'd recommend googling for "your navigator name" + Linux
[15:15] <Mysterious> oh i think there will be no results
[15:15] <mike^> give it a try
[15:16] <Mysterious> probably i am the first one trying to run linux on this pna :/ but ok
[15:16] <siji> mike^, I need to go now,Will try it tmrw
[15:16] <siji> Goodnight
[15:16] <mike^> siji, good luck :)
[15:16] <siji> tks
[15:20] <Mysterious> i can't find anything :(
[15:21] <mike^> <Mysterious, so you're all alone :)
[15:22] <mike^> have to go, bye
[15:22] <Mysterious> noo mike^ help me  ; _ ;
[15:22] <Mysterious> >.<
[15:22] <Mysterious> great
[19:16] <neonfreon> wg 2
[20:29] <erikcorry> Does Ubuntu on ARM require an ARMv7 CPU?
[21:05] <pwnguin> erikcorry: from the wiki: *
[21:05] <pwnguin> Ubuntu targets the ARM EABI, with an expectation of minimum compliance with the ARMv5t instruction set.
[21:05] <pwnguin> the question is, does the cpu you have in mind comply with ARMv5t?
[21:08] <erikcorry> My question is, which instructions can I use :-)
[21:09] <pwnguin> anything in ARMv5t
[21:09] <erikcorry> Optimised libraries for ARMv6 and ARMv7 are expected to be available where there is significant performance gain. "
[21:09] <erikcorry> That's nice too.
[21:10] <pwnguin> i wouldn't expect any of the 3d stuff with omap or anything
[21:10] <pwnguin> or whatever that crazy arm vector stuff is
[21:11] <pwnguin> NEON
[21:11] <erikcorry> That's the one.
[21:11] <erikcorry> I would imagine that lots of apps would be faster if they can assume vfp.
[21:12] <erikcorry> I wonder how smooth the process of having more than one .deb file for a package can be made.
[21:12] <erikcorry> So the user can get the right one.
[21:12] <pwnguin> hmm
[21:12] <pwnguin> ARM926EJ
[21:12] <pwnguin> i thought this device was crappier than arm8
[21:12] <pwnguin> arm9 i mean
[21:12] <erikcorry> In the case of the app I am thinkig of (Chromium) there might also be quite a benefit from being able to assume Thumb2 ie ARMv7.
[21:13] <pwnguin> at least in x86 land, the technique has been to target high profile plumbing
[21:13] <pwnguin> custom kernels
[21:14] <pwnguin> and i think libc
[21:14] <pwnguin> and then to build the archive for a narrow instruction set but favor the newer processor timings for optimization
[21:16] <erikcorry> We'll see how that pans out.
[21:16] <erikcorry> But it's nice to be able to assume ARMv5 at least.
[21:16] <pwnguin> man ARM is a mess
[21:17] <pwnguin> 6 processor lines, different ABIs
[21:17] <pwnguin> and they're all called ARM
[21:19] <pwnguin> ive got a wrt54g and a NAS running arm. i'm just glad they can run ssh and irssi, let alone browsers or javascript ;)
[21:29] <suihkulokki> pwnguin: wrt54g is not arm
[21:44] <pwnguin> suihkulokki: oh. huh. apparently they're mips