[00:31] <poolie> lifeless, any reason in particular for the hearts today?
[00:36] <lifeless> bzr+ssh bzr-search support
[00:36] <poolie> ah :)
[02:23] <james_w> hi poolie
[02:24] <poolie> hi james
[02:33] <poolie> class OutOfTea(errors.BzrError):
[02:33] <poolie> :)
[02:38] <fullermd> Being out of tea sounds more like a solution than a problem to me...   :p
[02:40] <poolie> page KombuchaKip :)
[02:40] <poolie> it's an example error in jelmer's test code
[02:44]  * KombuchaKip lol
[03:18] <Noldorin> hey poo
[03:18] <Noldorin> poolie*
[03:21] <mwhudson> :-)
[05:38] <sobersabre> hi.
[05:39] <sobersabre> Is it possible to install bzr 2.5 on python 2.5 ?
[05:39] <sobersabre> (from source)
[05:42] <poolie> hi sobersabre, no, i think bzr 2.5 needs python2.6
[05:43] <poolie> but 2.4.x will be ok
[07:39] <wgz> bus time
[07:46] <poolie> hi wgz
[07:48] <sobersabre> poolie: thanks. I did manage to install 2.4 on py2.5
[07:49] <poolie> good
[09:06] <mgz> morning!
[09:09] <MacSlow> hey there folks
[09:11] <mgz> hey
[09:29] <poolie> hi mgz, vila
[09:37] <poolie> hi mrevell
[09:37] <mrevell> Hey there poolie and everyone else.
[09:49] <mgz> really must finish option stuff this morning
[09:56] <poolie> ok
[09:56] <poolie> mgz i should go, but could you look at https://answers.launchpad.net/bzr/+question/179852
[09:56] <poolie> and maybe some others
[09:56] <poolie> i have loggerhead just about baked serving tgzs
[09:56] <poolie> i thought of you :)
[09:57] <mgz> poolie: will do
[09:58] <mgz> ah, I'd never run an ssh server on a windows box
[09:58] <poolie> i would like to just hook up 'bzr serve --ssh'
[09:58] <poolie> how hard can it be? :/
[09:59] <mgz> not very I imagine, on nix at least :)
[09:59] <poolie> :)
[09:59] <poolie> well, using paramiko
[09:59] <poolie> trying to take care of some of the hookup issues people have
[09:59] <poolie> on windows
[10:02] <mgz> I agree we need a better server answer, I do bzr+http with apache doing the access control
[10:02] <mgz> and that's not trivial to set up correctly.
[10:03] <mgz> jelmer: you landed a proposal I wanted to comment on too fast ;_;
[10:04] <mgz> but I was stuck thinking of a better suggestion, so maybe it's not really that bad
[10:08] <poolie> ok, night europe
[10:08] <mgz> night poolie!
[14:27] <mgz> ah, you're working on the config test failures vila?
[14:27] <mgz> I was just looking at that
[14:27] <vila> I have a fix
[14:27] <vila> It's so silly...
[14:27] <vila> mgz: By the way, hi ! ;)
[14:27] <mgz> the tests look dodgy, they use a relative url like "/home/user/project", which naturally doesn't resolve anywhere sensible on windows
[14:28] <vila> it doesn't have to
[14:28] <vila> it's the caller responsibility to provide an appropriate location and the code base already ensures that
[14:29] <mgz> but the location stack resolves it using abspath
[14:29] <vila> for unclear reasons I felt the need to add a location = urlutils.normalize_url(location) which broke these tests
[14:29] <mgz> which looks at the real filesystem
[14:29] <mgz> right
[14:29] <mgz> that's the issue.
[14:29] <vila> removing that code doesn't break any test and make the windows ones pass
[14:30] <vila> I probably had another issue while adding that and addressed this issue in the end
[14:30] <mgz> okay, that's fine then.
[14:31] <mgz> I don't think I need to say that LocationStack should be clear about if it wants a url or a file path, and isn't currently :)
[14:31] <vila> I wanted to talk with you
[14:31] <vila> but thought I should reload the context
[14:32] <mgz> okay, fresh page.
[14:32] <vila> and I knew these lines were in scope, so, I tried removing this suspicious call first...
[14:32] <vila> and my sub-conscience won :)
[14:33] <vila> hmm
[14:33] <vila> yeah, this could be clarified...
[14:33] <vila> s/could/should/
[14:33] <mgz> so, I have a design twinge that path functions should be clear about whether they look at the local filesystem or not
[14:34] <mgz> you were basically caught out here by 'normalize_url' looking safe and cuddly, but actually calls abspath which depends on the filesystem and cwd
[14:35] <vila> I think there is a FIXME in the location config code saying that we accept synonyms for local paths as file: urls which is an issue in itself
[14:35] <vila> yeah, I vaguely remember adding that because I suspected some relative paths bogus handling
[14:38] <vila> mgz: https://code.launchpad.net/~vila/bzr/892992-locations-on-windows/+merge/83299
[14:39] <vila> yeah, in addition to looking safe it silently made the section matching fail, hence the test failures
[14:39] <vila> this hints that I should have tests more specifically targeting the section matching
[14:40] <vila> in other news, for unknown reasons the osx slave suddenly decided that it was 'Unable to locate a Java Runtime to invoke.'
[14:40] <vila> huh ?
[14:41] <mgz> rubber stamped.
[14:41] <mgz> blame java!
[14:41] <vila> dong a software update brought a java *update* and solved the issue but the root cause for this error message is puzzling
[14:42] <vila> was the precious version disabled ? How ?
[14:42] <vila> nobody is tweaking this osx slave (except me ;)
[14:42] <mgz> macs are mysterious objects of wonderment and quizzling
[14:42] <vila> mgz: thanks !
[14:43] <mgz> best not approached, or you may come to regret it..
[14:43] <vila> hehe
[14:44] <vila> mgz: by the way, regarding your option help tests, try bzr-diffstat, istm one option escapes your check
[14:45] <vila> the plugin overrides cmd_diff, that may explain the why, but I didn't dig enough to propose a how
[14:45] <mgz> the global --file option at least is unchecked, which doesn't hurt much
[14:46] <mgz> and plugins (including builtin ones) aren't either, but would be nice to provide an easy way for them to subclass the test an opt in.
[14:46] <mgz> how would a plugin enumerate all the commands it registered?
[14:47] <vila> some plugins already uses a list *to* register
[14:47] <vila> :)
[15:00] <vila> slangasek: ping, see bug #884270
[15:12] <mgz> vila: pqm gave failed your branch?
[15:13] <vila> mgz: no, it landed it, what made you believe that ?
[15:13]  * vila forces a run on babune windows slave
[15:17] <mgz> ...launchpad being slow, sorry
[15:18] <vila> no worries, just curious
[15:18] <mgz> confused by looking during the window between the PQM page showing no jobs, but the review page still having the branch as approved
[15:18] <vila> oh yeah, I know that one
[15:19] <vila> sometimes the pqm page shows the end of the previous submission but never for long
[15:58] <vila> mgz: down to 7 failures (with 3 being spurious not ?)
[16:00] <mgz> those are all the windows/sftp rename race
[16:01] <vila> good, down to one root cause then
[16:01] <mgz> which is now bug 891602
[19:07] <jelmer> hmm, more feature flags work this evening
[19:33] <wgz> ...are you trying to create more of a backlog for the poor patch pilot when he wakes up in the morning?
[19:38] <jelmer> I'm just worried he'll run out of things to review.
[20:50] <wgz> ah, now I'm back home I can run my auto-ignore launchpad tag spam imap script
[20:50] <wgz> which is nice as they've now removed all the tags that accidentally got added earlier...
[22:08] <thumper> an interesting data point
[22:09] <thumper> $ bzr branch lp:nux/1.0 nux-1.0
[22:09] <thumper> Branched 497 revision(s).
[22:09] <thumper> HPSS calls: 30 (0 vfs)
[22:09] <thumper> $ bzr co lp:nux/1.0 nux-1.0-checkout
[22:09] <thumper> HPSS calls: 48 (15 vfs)
[22:09] <thumper> checkout really that much more expensive in round trips?
[22:27] <jelmer> thumper: hi
[22:27] <thumper> hi jelmer
[22:47] <poolie> hi all
[22:48] <jelmer> thumper: hmm, thatÅÅ really odd
[22:48] <jelmer> it should basically just be "bzr branch" + "bzr bind"
[22:50] <poolie> hi jelmer
[23:28] <KombuchaKip> Are there any plans to hook the Nautilus rename command into the bzr rename functionality when using the plugin for Nautilus on a repository?
[23:29] <beuno> KombuchaKip, I don't think so, there isn't a lot of activity around bzr-gtk
[23:29] <beuno> jelmer may know
[23:29] <poolie> i doubt anyone is specifically planning to do it
[23:29] <poolie> it seems like a sensible thing to do though
[23:29] <poolie> iirc hg dropped their nautilus support
[23:30] <KombuchaKip> beuno: Oh really? I didn't know that. Is the plugin dead? I created this bug report about it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gtk/+bug/797438
[23:30] <poolie> do you want to try a patch for it?
[23:30] <poolie> it's not dead
[23:30] <poolie> right now i'm trying to get tarball downloads from loggerhead hooked in to launchpad
[23:30] <KombuchaKip> poolie: Sure I'd try a patch for it.
[23:30] <poolie> almost there
[23:31] <KombuchaKip> poolie: I'll be around, just buzz me whenever you're ready. I am using bzr from the PPA.
[23:33] <jelmer> hi beuno, KombuchaKip
[23:33] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: IÇ've done some work recently to port nautilus-bzr to the new Nautilus plugin API
[23:33] <beuno> o/ jelmer
[23:33] <beuno> o/ poolie
[23:33] <poolie> hey there
[23:34] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: Ah, so that's why its sort of idle right now. I forgot that everything has to be moved to Gnome 3.
[23:35]  * KombuchaKip enjoys channels with relations to Ubuntu much better than others because the people are nice.
[23:35] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: it would indeed be nice to hook into the Nautilus rename command, but unfortunately the Nautilus extensions don provide that sort of hook yet
[23:36] <spiv> jelmer: I guess there's always inotify… ;)
[23:37] <jelmer> spiv: heh
[23:37] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: I figured that was probably why it wasn't done, because it seemed intuitively straight forward since other commands are hooked. So I suppose we have to wait until Nautilus provides an API for that. Maybe you could add a comment for that at the end of this here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-gtk/+bug/797438
[23:37] <poolie> hey spiv
[23:37] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: I'd do it myself, but I have no experience with the API.
[23:37] <poolie> i did some lp fixes after gdd, don't know if you saw
[23:37] <poolie> 'less awful search results' basically
[23:37] <jelmer> KombuchaKip: thereÅ's already a comment from me there to that extend :)
[23:38] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: Ah, I understand it now. I just saw that.
[23:38] <spiv> poolie: I did!
[23:38] <KombuchaKip> jelmer: I wonder if upstream knows.
[23:38] <spiv> poolie: (if you're talking about the meta description stuff)
[23:39] <poolie> yeah, schema.org tags, that kind of thing
[23:44] <KombuchaKip> poolie: How do you plan to patch it if apparently nautilus-python doesn't have a way to track file renames?


[15:26] <henning__> hi there. could anyone tell me what is being executed in ubuntu in respect to x when i connected an additional monitor to my computer?
[15:42] <tseliot1> henning__: the gnome-settings-daemon (or the unity-settings-daemon) deals with that


[05:57] <ion> Ah, redundant window borders were finally removed. I’m happy.
[06:05] <sladen> none more black
[18:28] <basiclaser> hey guys, i want to make an 'app' patch that i can share amongst linux/debian/ubuntu users which will perform mathematical operations on the displayed system time, without effecting the underlying system clocks dependencies. Just augmenting the visual widget
[18:29] <basiclaser> just doing something to the visual menu element, is there a way to do this across linux distros or are many differing time objects used?
[20:22] <Noskcaj> pitti, Should i package gnome-icon-theme 3.12, since gnome-icon-theme-extras has decided it needs 3.12 as a depend
[20:22] <Noskcaj> I didn't know about the change till just the, and it's from misc:depends
[20:22] <Noskcaj> *then
[20:55] <infinity> pitti: Hrm, the autopkgtest stuff seems to have serious issues with comments in build-dep lines.
[20:56] <infinity> pitti: See the lintian failures, where all the missing packages are stuff that comes after the comment in the middle of build-deps in debian/control.
[21:19] <infinity> Hey, lazyIRC, is there a HOWTO on the wiki somewhere for doing autopkgtests at home?
[21:22] <infinity> Ahh, http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html#executing-the-test might be what I'm after.


[00:22] <devilspgd> n00b bash question. I want to umount the path where a shell script lives, can it copy itself to a temporary location and run from there?
[00:22] <devilspgd> Or more specifically, how do I make the copy from the original location terminate immediately?
[00:23] <devilspgd> I thought throwing a "&" on the end of the call to temp script might work, but it still holds a lock on the original script in the child.
[00:26] <sarnold> devilspgd: the 'exec' builtin might be what you need, it replaces the current process with a new process -- which could be /tmp/path/to/copied/shellscript.sh  or simimlar
[00:26] <devilspgd> That sounds like exactly the one, thanks.
[00:28] <devilspgd> Works like a charm, thanks. I knew I read something somewhere at one point, but I couldn't think of it at the time.
[00:30] <sarnold> nice :)
[06:30] <LarsN> would this be the right place to ask about the Orange-Box?
[06:31] <LarsN> I have one, and just need to be pointed at some proper documentation on the best way to interact with Juju and Maas
[08:00] <nilesh> jjohansen: found anything?
[08:00] <jjohansen> nilesh: I haven't gotten back to it yet
[08:03] <jjohansen> nilesh: however the hexdump you provided shows me that the compliled profile has dropped the network rules
[08:06] <jjohansen> nilesh: so either I am going to have to track down why its dropping those rules, and then maybe be able to provide a work around, OR I am going to have to build you a new parser that doesn't have the issue
[08:07] <jjohansen> hrmmm, I guess that is a little more than when we talked last
[08:17] <jjohansen> nilesh: can you provide me the output of
[08:17] <jjohansen>   cat /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/features
[08:18] <jjohansen> and
[08:18] <jjohansen>   cat /etc/apparmor.d/cache/.features
[08:33] <White_Cat> Is there a mail server that I can use with ubuntu-server. I was looking at postfix but that requires creation of ubuntu accounts per each email account. I'd rather keep the two seperate as users will never ever login to the ubuntu server and they tend to use less than ideally srong passwords
[08:41] <jjohansen> White_Cat: there are lots of mail servers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers
[08:43] <White_Cat> well yes
[08:43] <White_Cat> thats why I am asking for a reccomendation :)
[08:43] <White_Cat> its more of a taste issue after a certain point
[08:43] <White_Cat> and I tend to have poor taste in mail servers :p
[08:44] <alex88> export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/vendor/vips/bin and export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/vendor/vips/bin" isn't exactly the same thing?
[08:44] <White_Cat> ideally I want the mail server to have exchange support
[08:48] <jjohansen> alex88: no they aren't if either of the $PATH or $HOME variables contain whitespace
[08:49] <alex88> jjohansen: oh awesome, thanks a lot!
[09:02] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <nocturnal_> I got a server that was going to be e-wasted and installed ubuntu-server on it. i've been using it to store my media, however i have a lot of cpu power that is not being used.
[09:38] <nocturnal_> does anyone have any ideas or fun projects that might help me learn more about computing?
[09:46] <Rajvi> Hello Everyone.
[09:46] <nocturnal_> Hi Rajvi
[09:47] <Rajvi> What's the easiest & effective procedure to switch between multiple php & apache versions on a LAMP setup?
[09:50] <Rajvi> ?
[09:54] <nocturnal_> I don't know
[09:54] <nocturnal_> are you upgrading?
[09:56] <Rajvi> No, I need to use somehow php 4.x & some old Apache version , so what this old program works!
[09:58] <adsc> can't you just run a virtual machine?
[10:03] <nocturnal_> Don't you just need to configure PHP to work with Apache? Which version of PHP?
[10:16] <samgoody> Hello all. when I do cat /etc/hosts I get a different listed fqdn then hostname -f
[10:17] <samgoody> I realize that something extremely obvious, like I shouldnt be checking /etc/hosts for the fqdn. Could someone help?
[10:21] <Eggs_> samgoody: if you have changed you hostname previously you need to change it in /etc/hosts too, which you may have forgot to do
[10:26] <samgoody> Thanks.
[10:27] <samgoody> I changed it once using hostname me.example.com
[10:27] <samgoody> And since then have had issues ;)
[10:28] <samgoody> Also, whereas before this my hostname was "me", and fqdn was "me.oldomain.com" the new hostname is the same as the hostname -f: me.example.com
[10:28] <samgoody> How do I fix that so that hostname should be "me" and only fqdn be "me.example.com"
[10:30] <Eggs_> samgoody: not too sure on that one, i would just have it the same, are you wanting it different for the bash promt or something?
[10:32] <samgoody> No, I just figured it ought to be different since that's what I see in all examples of hostnames online
[10:36] <Eggs_> samgoody: its based on the /etc/hosts file, so at the top instead of having <IP_ADDRESS> me you would have <IP_ADDRESS> me.olddmain.com
[10:39] <samgoody> thanks
[11:03] <sunstar> does the php_mail function work for anyone? i've been using ubuntu since 9.10 and phpmail has never worked on any of my boxes. is this normal?
[11:12] <samgoody> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost.localdomain localhost
[11:12] <samgoody> What does the localhost.localdomain mean
[11:12] <samgoody> On the linode tutorial, they suggest: <IP_ADDRESS>  localhost
[11:12] <samgoody> Why skip that?
[12:33] <YamakasY_> why is this partition scheme ignored ? it just creates swap and / on vg00 http://pastebin.com/7a3uyXZh
[14:36] <jamespage> tinoco, looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pacemaker/+bug/1382842
[14:37] <jamespage> the pacemaker binary is tied directly to the binary versions of the libraries it produces?
[14:44] <tinoco> jamespage: i fixed one regression yes
[14:44] <tinoco> it looks like libraries were not being updated together
[14:45] <jamespage> tinoco, erm they are
[14:45] <jamespage> tinoco, I'm trying to understand why it breaks
[14:45] <tinoco> so there could be a situation when users updated binary without libraries
[14:45] <jamespage> tinoco, the ABI is the same upstream version
[14:45] <jamespage> so it should not
[14:45] <tinoco> jamespage:  let me revisit this
[14:45] <tinoco> so i can remember proplery
[14:45] <jamespage> tinoco, if the pacemaker binary hard depends on exactly the same packaging version, then we should do that in debian/control
[14:46] <tinoco> i remembered
[14:46] <tinoco> version used by Ubuntu did not cause
[14:46] <tinoco> dh_makeshlibs to behave properly
[14:46] <tinoco> (the string gitXXXX-something)
[14:47] <tinoco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pacemaker/+bug/1368737/comments/17
[14:47] <tinoco> take a look at this comment please
[15:02] <TimN> Is there any way I can only allow a specific list of IP adresses to a specific port on my server?
[15:03] <teward> TimN: firewall restrictions, or at the application level.
[15:04] <TimN> I don't think it's possible at application level. It's about a Minecraft server.
[15:04] <teward> TimN: probably individual rules in iptables or ufw to allow from specific IP addresses.
[15:04] <teward> TimN: then you're stuck using firewall rules
[15:05] <TimN> Okay, so iptables...
[15:05] <teward> TimN: or ufw
[15:05] <teward> i use iptables
[15:05] <teward> `sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport MINECRAFTPORT -s IP.AD.DR.ESS -j ACCEPT
[15:05] <teward> one of each of those for the IP addresses you want to allow
[15:05] <teward> sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport MINECRAFTPORT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-unreachable
[15:06] <teward> that should ONLY be run as the last rule
[15:06] <TimN> That blocks all others?
[15:06] <teward> (and that adds a REJECT such that if it doesn't match the other IP addresses, it'll just fail for others
[15:06] <teward> yep
[15:06] <TimN> Ah.
[15:06] <teward> that's what the last one there does
[15:06] <TimN> And if I'd want to add another IP later?
[15:07] <teward> TimN: `sudo iptables -L -n INPUT`
[15:07] <teward> find the rule which has REJECT as the target
[15:07] <teward> count where in the ruleset that is
[15:07] <teward> then: sudo iptables -I INPUT THENUMBER -p tcp --dport MINECRAFTPORT -s IP.AD.DR.ESS -j ACCEPT
[15:08] <TimN> Are those rules placed in a file?
[15:08] <teward> TimN: no, those are command-line commands you run
[15:09] <teward> they're not saved unless you save them with `iptables-save > /some/path/`.
[15:09] <jhobbs> http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/iplist/
[15:09] <teward> you can use the iptables-persistent package to help though
[15:09] <jhobbs> if you use bukkit :/
[15:09] <TimN> Jhobbs, would be nice if Bukkit was available. ;P
[15:15] <TimN> Teward, does "sudo iptables -I INPUT THENUMBER -p tcp --dport MINECRAFTPORT -s IP.AD.DR.ESS -j ACCEPT" place the rule before THENUMBER or as THENUMBER?
[15:23] <teward> TimN: it inserts it as THENUMBER and then pushes what was there down one
[15:23] <teward> so if the REJECT is the 5th rule, then -I INPUT 5 puts your new rule before that 5th rule (the REJECT) as rule #5, and the REJECT moves to rule #6
[15:24] <TimN> Okay. Nice.
[15:24] <TimN> Thanks for your help. =)
[15:50] <rbasak> gnuoy: looking at lp:~gnuoy/ubuntu/vivid/python-logutils/update-to-0.3.3-2, I can't seem to apply fix-_levelNames-vs-_levelToName.patch cleanly. I'm not sure if this is me not handling the bzr branch right though.
[15:50] <rbasak> Ah, I see you're on holiday this afternoon.
[15:50] <rbasak> I'm out from tomorrow.
[15:50] <rbasak> I'll leave it for now.
[15:52] <rbasak> gnuoy: looks to me that the patch is right, but it isn't applied in the bzr branch even though .pc/ says it should be or something.
[15:52] <rbasak> This is an area where I get very frustrated with UDD and bzr. AIUI, stuff in UDD is supposed to be committed with all quilt patches applied and a corresponding .pc/ set up correctly.
[15:52] <rbasak> So the first thing I tried to do was "quilt pop -a" on your branch, which failed.
[15:53] <rbasak> OTOH, "quilt pop -a" on lp:ubuntu/python-logutils works
[16:24] <fandi> hi
[16:25] <fandi> i got udp packet
[16:25] <fandi> here is my result from tcpdump
[16:25] <fandi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9551966/
[16:26] <fandi> is there any exploit on rpcbind or rpc.stat
[16:26] <fandi>  ?
[16:26] <fandi> please need your help :) thanks
[16:27] <teward> fandi: those look like DNS requests and responses... but without me dumping that into wireshark i can'tbe certain of that.
[16:29] <fandi> teward: yups it's query unavailable domain A? lzj.passwd1.com.
[16:29] <fandi> teward: i never found like this, and only rcpbind, rpc.stat which running with proto udp
[16:30] <teward> fandi: looks like something on your system is triggering those queries, but from a simple packet log you won't find out what's issuing those requests on your system
[16:30] <teward> unless it's whatever's running on rpc
[16:31] <fandi> teward: is possible to try stop rpc ?
[16:49] <samba35> i have configure a network with openvswitch i am faceing two issuses ,1 )how do i fix ifconfig eth0 to ipaddress <IP_ADDRESS> after bridge is configure (i am using ovs version 2.0.2 with vlan
[17:22] <tinoco> jamespage:  talking about LP: #1382842, fix is on LP: #1368737
[17:22] <tinoco> jamespage:  could u sponsor that ?
[17:22] <jamespage> bug 1368737
[17:22] <jamespage> bug 1382842
[17:22] <jamespage> tinoco, that last one was the one I had query over
[17:23] <tinoco> yep
[17:23] <tinoco> just talked with dosaboy
[17:23] <tinoco> it seems that they might have a temporary fix into a charm
[17:23] <tinoco> because apt-get update might misbehave
[17:23] <jamespage> tinoco, I was unclear as to why pacemaker requires an exact package version match with its associated libs
[17:23] <jamespage> tinoco, there is a charm bug and dosaboy has a fix for that which will help things
[17:23] <tinoco> 1368737 -> #16 and #17
[17:23] <jamespage> tinoco, but I'm not 100% happy with the fix approach
[17:24] <tinoco> jamespage:  u think changing version would be better ?
[17:24] <jamespage> no
[17:24] <jamespage> tinoco, I just don't see why the mismatch causes this error
[17:24] <tinoco> because of latest fix (-updated)
[17:24] <tinoco> libraries have to be at the same version
[17:25] <tinoco> orelse you get:
[17:25] <tinoco> Oct 18 20:54:16 saturn crmd[23424]: warning: do_lrm_control: Failed to sign on to the LRM 2 (30 max) times
[17:25] <jamespage> oh right I see
[17:25] <jamespage> in which case that's not the right fix
[17:25] <jamespage> pacemaker should be depending explicitly in d/control on a matching binary version
[17:26] <jamespage> which will force the upgrade
[17:26] <jamespage> making shlibs depend on a packaging version is not a good idea
[17:26] <jamespage> tinoco, leave this with me - I need to sortout vivid first and the packaging is awkward
[17:27] <tinoco> jamespage: ok. let me know if you need me to change anything for you
[17:27] <tinoco> tks james ;)
[17:27] <jamespage> tinoco, np
[17:27] <tinoco> jamespage: i was also talking with arges about proposing 1.1.12 into sid (mid jan)
[17:27] <tinoco> and bringing the new version to ubuntu also.. 1.1.12 has lots of bug fixes
[17:27] <jamespage> tinoco, yeah maybe
[17:27] <tinoco> that would be good for us (a lot)
[17:27] <jamespage> tinoco, I've been working on 1.1.12 for vivid
[17:28] <tinoco> perfect :)
[17:28] <tinoco> so i´ll leave it with  you tks again
[17:28] <jamespage> tinoco, but I might chicken out and do 1.1.11 for now
[17:28] <tinoco> ok.. i´ll propose 1.1.12 to debian-ha
[17:28] <tinoco> and see what they come up with
[17:36] <jkyle> I'm getting the following error when trying to add a gpg key to a precise server: keyserver timed out
[17:36] <jkyle> I thought it might be due to port 11371 being blocked, but nmap -p 11371 keyserver.ubuntu.com shows the port as open
[17:36] <jkyle> and Ihave no firewall on this machine
[17:37] <rberg_> you could try a different key server
[17:38] <jkyle> well, I can. but this is for some automated scripts. so is keyserver.ubuntu.com unreliable in some way? Is there a more reliable keyserver I should use?
[17:40] <rberg_> that I dont know
[17:51] <rww> jkyle: yes, keyserver.ubuntu.com is unreliable. I'd recommend pool.sks-keyservers.net
[18:27] <pmatulis> rww: how did you conclude keyserver.ubuntu.com is unreliable?  is there a known problem?
[18:28] <rww> pmatulis: because half the time I make requests to it it fails
[18:29] <rww> and the response I got from someone (forget who) was "yeah, that's a thing" basically
[18:42] <pmatulis> rww: alright, thx
[18:44] <alias_neo> Hey chaps. Having issues authenticating to my freeipa server from ubuntu 14.10 server. I can authenticate from 14.04 desktop and 14.04 server though. Anyone have any ideas please?
[18:45] <sarnold> alias_neo: any errors or warnings on either the client or the server?
[18:45] <alias_neo> The server doesn't complain, but I've got the sssd logging on high on the client, there's quite a lot of stuff, nothing that stands out to me (but I'm an sssd/ipa noob)
[18:46] <alias_neo> I@m just about to compare it with the sssd log of a working client
[18:54] <alias_neo>  I see this in the broken server log just before it all goes wrong:  No ccache file for user [<username>] found.
[18:55] <sarnold> alias_neo: interesting... what's a ccache file in the context of freeipa? :)
[18:55] <alias_neo> Not entirely sure but I believe it's to do with sssd caching credentials
[18:56] <sarnold> aha, so not a caching c compiler >:->
[18:56] <alias_neo> hehe no
[18:56] <YamakasY> any partman pro's in here ?
[18:57] <YamakasY> man it's giving me a hard time
[19:51] <proq> can someone point me to the best guide to installing a gnome desktop environment on ubuntu server 14.10?
[19:55] <dasjoe> proq: "apt-get install tasksel; tasksel install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" should do the trick
[19:56] <proq> thanks
[19:56] <dasjoe> Mind you, this will pull in everything as if you selected "GNOME desktop" during the installation
[20:19] <Noskcaj> zul, We can you check if we can sync python-tornado now? upstream says it was fixed by our current pycurl. https://github.com/tornadoweb/tornado/issues/671
[20:28] <YamakasY> which channel do I need for partman help ?
[21:01] <pmatulis> YamakasY: try #ubuntu-installer
[21:02] <YamakasY> pmatulis: yeah that channel seems to be dead
[21:04] <pmatulis> YamakasY: it's definitely not a "hot" channel but i wouldn't call it dead
[21:04] <pmatulis> YamakasY: maybe a mailing list is more appropriate
[21:06] <YamakasY> pmatulis: yeah got some help months ago... good idea
[22:21] <kyle__> if you have multiple interfaces, and only one has the gateway line, will that always be set as the default gateway in the routing table?
[22:23] <kyle__> I have a bridge (virbr1) that sets a specific route via postup, and a tagged vlan, which is supposed to have the default route (set using gateway in interfaces file), but it's using the virbr1's route as default, and the tagged vlans as specific.  I think
[22:28] <kyle__> s/specific/static/
[22:28] <kyle__> But you know what I mean.  Ihope.


[18:03] <bazhang>  [blb31750] (~blb31750@<IP_ADDRESS>): /home/alex/bin/irclogbot.sh
[18:04] <ikonia> this guy again
[18:04] <bazhang> wonder if thats a logbot
 what do you do her in #ubuntu technical support channel ???
[18:34] <bazhang> mostly play with the bot
[18:34] <ikonia> so he knows what the channel is then ?
[18:35] <bazhang> sure, thats a longtime visitor
[18:36] <ikonia> why do they behave like this and play dumb ?
[18:36] <bazhang> from #ubuntu-dz or whatever the kazeri channel is
[18:36] <bazhang> he's always been that way
[18:37] <bazhang> had to track him to his loco ubuntu channel and ask the ops there to ban him unless he quit the trolling
[18:37] <bazhang> err azerbaijan


[00:18] <wonko[m]> There are two Ubuntu Studio devel channels that show up in the matrix list. I'm always confused about which is the right one.
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> wonko[m]: It shouldn't show up at all, it's unlisted. I think you're connecting via the Matrix bridge, not directly.
[00:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> #ubuntu-studio-devel:matrix.org is the right one.
[00:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Brian Hechinger: You're also seeing the KDE one. Both are correct.
[07:48] <wonko[m]> Ah yes, that's what it is.


[14:02] <hjd> Hi, does anyone have some pointers on what to do with bug reports where the issue has been resolved in newer Ubuntu releases? I have found the stock responses, but I don't know how to tell whether a bug qualifies for SRU, backport or neither.
[14:10] <penguin42> got an example?
[14:11] <hjd> Bug 572320 for instance (present in 10.04, fixed in 11.04)
[14:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572320 in pychess "Can't select the pychess engine itself to play with" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572320
[14:13] <penguin42> hjd: Well that's unlikely to hit an SRU I'd guess - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#When
[14:14] <penguin42> hjd: I'm not sure generally, but given it's a universe package, and not particular important then I can't see an SRU happening
[14:15] <penguin42> hjd: Anyone can request a backport (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports )
[14:25] <hjd> penguin42: Hm, I see. If I close that and leave a link to how to file a backport request in my comment to let the reporter or anyone else affected decide whether it is needed, does that sound ok?
[14:25] <penguin42> hjd: Well I don't think it should be closed
[14:27] <penguin42> hjd: Although it's unlikely to be fixed, Lucid is still a current release; it's probably right to say that the easiest thing if someone really wants it is to ask for a backport
[14:30] <hjd> Care to elaborate on why it should be left open? It works in the version available in 11.04, I thought that would make it Fix Released?
[14:36] <penguin42> hjd: Yes, actually you're right - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status states 'If a bug is fixed in the current development release, it is Fix Released. If the bug also needs to be fixed in a stable release, use the "Target to release" link to nominate it for that release.'
[14:36] <penguin42> so yeh, fix released
[14:44] <hjd> penguin42: Ok. :) I marked bug 572320 Fix Released now.
[14:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 572320 in pychess "Can't select the pychess engine itself to play with" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572320
[18:53] <iceroot> hi
[18:53] <TheLordOfTime> hi
[18:53] <iceroot> i want to report a bug against evolution-ews (12.10) but ubuntu-bug is telling me there is no package evolution-ews
[18:54] <iceroot> where does ubuntu-bug gets the names for packages?
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> iceroot:  are you using that package in Precise
[18:55] <TheLordOfTime> or within Quantal?
[18:55] <iceroot> TheLordOfTime: 12.10
[18:55] <iceroot> within
[18:55] <iceroot> at it has a broken dependency
[18:55] <iceroot> i tried to report it but ubuntu-bug is not finding the package
[18:59] <iceroot> ah, as it seems ubuntu-bug can only handle installed packages
[19:00] <iceroot> because of the fact that evolution-ews cant be installed (wrong dependencies) ubuntu-bug cant find it to report a bug against it
[19:00] <iceroot> what is the way to report a bug with the needed informations without using ubuntu-bug?
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> going to the source package, tagging it as quantal, and explaining the issue?
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> also including a paste of what you're seeing would probably help
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> filing a bug against the source package*
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-ews/+filebug
[19:05] <TheLordOfTime> starting there probably
[19:06] <iceroot> TheLordOfTime: thank you alot
[19:06] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[19:10] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-ews/+bug/1022359
[19:10] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1022359 in evolution-ews "[12.10] evolution-ews cant be installed because of broken dependencies" [Undecided,New]


[10:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:54] <marcony> hello, how to change side oj "minimize, maximize, close" buttons from left to right? i`m installed unity tweak soft but that option is gone
[10:55] <marcony> ?


[08:50] <Wazyx> Salutation Ubunteros
[14:19] <it> can i install proper AMD graphic drivers on ubuntu sudio?
[14:20] <it> why does ubuntu detects my monitor as a 22 inch goldstar when its a 23 inch lg tv so i dont get to see the full desktop the upper bar is out of range
[14:21] <it> hi peep
[14:25] <it> sound isnt working
[17:57] <and> good day
[23:33] <Guest42059> hi
[23:40] <Guest42059> NICK walrus
[23:41] <Nuthatch> So, I'm having a lot of problems it seems
[23:42] <Nuthatch> I just installed ubuntu studio and things are closing unexpectedly and I can't get my headphones to work. They show up in sound settings however, sound continues to come out of my speakers rather than headphones.


[00:25] <Troller> I  have a virus Exe here with me anyone knows a way to read what the virus does?
[00:32] <knome> Troller, no.
[00:34] <Troller> =(
[01:05] <totus> hello
[01:06] <totus> how do you do?
[01:07] <totus> I was trying to make it work under xubuntu 15.10
[01:48] <xubuntu162> How do I enable adobe flash on mozilla so I can video chat?
[01:49] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Which website are you using?
[01:50] <xubuntu162> teledoc
[01:50] <xubuntu162> teladoc
[01:51] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, Ok.
[01:52] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, have you tried using html5 options?
[01:53] <JohnnyComeL8ly> (Those are preferable.)
[01:54] <xubuntu162> I'm afraid I am super new to Linux and don't know much
[01:54] <xubuntu162> sry
[01:54] <xubuntu162> html5?
[01:54] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hey, at least you are here!
[01:54] <JohnnyComeL8ly> :-)
[01:55] <JohnnyComeL8ly> 5th version of HTML
[01:55] <xubuntu162> yeah, trying to learn
[01:55] <xubuntu162> How do I check my version?
[01:55] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Just a min. Have to take care of something.  (You don't have to check your version.)
[01:56] <xubuntu162> ah... k. Thanks for helping
[02:00] <xubuntu162> tried to get adobe download but I can't remember how to get stuff. I need practice :/
[02:00] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, I'm back.
[02:01] <xubuntu162> oh hey
[02:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Long time no chat, huh?
[02:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> ;-P
[02:01] <xubuntu162> Oh, you have no idea
[02:02] <xubuntu162> I haven't IRC chatted since the 90's
[02:02] <xubuntu162> Was a Windows guy all the way up until 2 months ago
[02:02] <xubuntu162> had a buddy at work install Linux on this laptop
[02:03] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Cool!
[02:03] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, this should get you started. http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/install-fresh-player-plugin-in-ubuntu.html
[02:03] <xubuntu162> still trying to remember how to download stuff/make stuff work
[02:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I did this, but I don't use Flash for 98% of what I do.
[02:05] <xubuntu162> got it... I am only trying to use it this once for a doctor consult
[02:05] <xubuntu162> in 40 min
[02:06] <JohnnyComeL8ly> This should only take 10 min max.
[02:06] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, what step are you on?
[02:07] <xubuntu162> Just reading where it says it won't work for Firefox users
[02:07] <xubuntu162> ???
[02:07] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ah, but it does. ;-)
[02:08] <JohnnyComeL8ly> fresh player is a wrapper for pepperflash.
[02:09] <Unit193> In Ubuntu wily+, browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash+adobe-flashplugin
[02:09] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, just scroll down to "1. Install Fresh Player Plugin in Ubuntu (via PPA), by using the following commands:"
[02:09] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Unit193, I'm not sure what you mean.
[02:10] <Unit193> !info browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[02:10] <Unit193> !info adobe-flashplugin partner
[02:11] <Unit193> That is to say, just get the packages from the real repos, don't use PPAs for what you already can install.
[02:12] <xubuntu162> OK I just put it into my termial and it said it worked?
[02:12] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Oh, I see now.
[02:12] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I made a booboo.
[02:12] <Unit193> (I don't like webupd8 PPAs, quantity over quality.)
[02:14] <xubuntu162> ?
[02:14] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, Um, just use "sudo apt-get remove freshplayerplugin"
[02:15] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Then, "sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8"
[02:15] <JohnnyComeL8ly> And then, "sudo apt update"
[02:16] <xubuntu162> unable to locate package freshplayer
[02:16] <JohnnyComeL8ly> and finally, "sudo apt install browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash"
[02:18] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xubuntu162, I have to go... mom says.
[02:18] <JohnnyComeL8ly> :-}
[02:19] <xubuntu162>  Unable to locate package browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
[02:19] <Guest11563> can someone her help me with an wireless internet issue?
[02:19] <xubuntu162> Oh... Bye Johnny
[03:33] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Unit193, did xubuntu162 get help?
[03:40] <Unit193> JohnnyComeL8ly: He quit shortly after you did.
[03:40] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Oh, bummer.
[07:14] <nikolam> Hmm, seems like pulseaudio , init and indicator-sound does not die after user logout (Was logged in via Teamviewer)
[07:15] <nikolam> aptitud eupdate says: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[07:15] <nikolam> E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:16] <nikolam> aand there is apt-get having a lock on /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[07:17] <nikolam> I can only guess apt=get got frozen because user was doing standby instead of shutting down
[07:17] <nikolam> That machine has problems shutting down
[07:18] <Unit193> Or cron'd apt-get update.
[07:18] <nikolam> it wasn't doing anythin gon top
[07:20] <nikolam> hmm, aptitude update says.. connecting to archive.ubuntu.com .. and stays there...
[07:21] <nikolam> same with apt-get update, it says connecting to archive.ubuntu.com , finds IP and just holds there...
[07:23] <nikolam> it continued now
[07:23] <nikolam> low speed but..
[07:24] <Unit193> Use a local mirror?
[07:24] <nikolam> I sort of remember setting main server intensionally
[07:24] <nikolam> local mirror used to be not in sync in previous years and that caused problems
[07:25] <nikolam> now holding again on aptitude update on archive.ubutu.com...
[07:28] <Unit193> I use us.archive.ubuntu.com for example.
[07:29] <flocculant> I use main - which is about 80 miles from me - it's slow as molasses today
[07:29] <nikolam> I know I change it to main, because local mirror kept not being in sync in previous years for some reason
[07:29] <flocculant> so it *might* well just be slow atm
[07:29] <nikolam> ofc
[07:30] <Unit193> nikolam: Ah, wasn't sure if you meant the Canonical or public mirror.
[07:31] <nikolam> I am not sure if regional/national mirrors ara managed by canonical, I think they are not
[07:33] <Unit193> The ones that have *.archive.ubuntu.com certainly are, for example the us one is: AS41231 Canonical Ltd  in Boston.
[07:45] <nikolam> I used to have bad experiences with amny users with locals Serbian mirror in years before, people used to end up in weird and broken package states so I started recommending uing main one
[07:45] <nikolam> worth checking out on LoCo etc
[07:47] <Unit193> There's also local mirrors: http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/ and status info: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[07:59] <nikolam> yeah, there seems to be no national mirror Atm, it points to Brasil mirror
[08:35] <nikolam> Huh interesting , it does not want to shutdown with sudo shutdown -P now
[08:38] <nikolam> it just doesnt shuts down..
[10:12] <declow> Hey can anyone help me understand whats going on wih my laptop. I've have been using xubuntu 15.10 on my laptop for a week or so. But after a update nothing worked. Drivers for wifi was gone usb did not work. My GPU drivers was gone but removeing the linux kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and going back to 3.19 fixed all of this. Any idea what the problem might be?
[11:02] <knome> declow, sounds like either the drivers or your hardware do not work with the newer kernel - just use the old one
[11:21] <declow> Okay it's kinda strange I have never had a problem like this before. But whatever I will just keep using 3.19 then
[12:48] <RQ> hi! I have a problem, and hope that it can be helped. In XFCE power manager, I have set the system to ask me what to do when I press the power button. It works, but there's an ugly exception: if my screen is locked when I press the button, the system just shuts down. Is there a way to disable this misbehavior?
[12:54] <pjotter> I recently upgraded form xfce 4.10 to 4.12 in 14.04. But now some applications (especially the dialogs) seem to have some kind of weird black and white theme. Does anyone know what is up with that?
[12:54] <cfhowlett> pjotter, try a different theme;
[12:54] <pjotter> I already did. The black and white theme stays the same.
[12:55] <pjotter> I observe this behaviour in mousepad for instance. If I open the open dialog, all icons are suddenly black and white.
[12:57] <RQ> screenshots are welcome :)
[13:22] <pjotter> RQ: where can I upload the screenshot?
[15:02] <yoLo_> hello
[15:02] <yoLo_> i need help with something
[15:02] <yoLo_> i have a 20GB space
[15:03] <yoLo_> i'm trying to install ubuntu but i get a No root file system is defined
[15:04] <yoLo_> the space was 120GB and i allocated 20GB for ubuntu which is now marked as free space
[16:40] <evandrojr> I use SUPER key (windows key) to pop up the whisker menu. However, when I use SUPER + F it will also open thunar and the whisker menu at the same time. It would be better to open just thunar.
[16:41] <evandrojr> Is there a way to fix that behavior?
[16:41] <flocculant> evandrojr: perhaps do what I do - I have whisker open with Super Right
[16:43] <evandrojr> That is a nice workaround, but is not the ideal solution :(
[16:44] <flocculant> possibly not - not sure how you're going to tell the system that Super is only Super if you don't use another key - or the reverse of that
[16:44] <flocculant> wait and see if someone else can tell you how to do that
[16:44] <evandrojr> Thanks flocculant!
[16:45] <flocculant> welcome - ftr - I scratched my head with that for a while :)
[16:48] <evandrojr> I will save my brain and use your workaround
[16:50] <flocculant> heh
[16:51] <evandrojr> I developed a ruby script that monitors a directory for mkv avi and mp4 files. When a new file arrives it will download the subtitles in ANY different languages for that movie and make a symlink for your favorite language.
[16:53] <evandrojr> The only thing is that it does not work when I add it to session / start programs . I will have to add it to my rc.local
[16:54] <evandrojr> Does anyone has a clue it does not work when I set it at  session / start programs?
[16:55] <evandrojr> Does it log somewhere?
[18:28] <Dezponia> So help me out with some confirmation bias here guys. I've been tasked by work to setup a bunch of old computers with GNU/Linux for a charity. The machines are of varying age and performance but most are from the Vista/early win7 days. They should preferably have the same distro on them so the people using them only need to learn 1 system. They must be easy to maintain for years since no one with much GNU/Linux experiance can be
[18:28] <Dezponia> expected to help them out (often). So far I'm think Xubuntu might be a good fit since it should be a solid base with an LTS release and still fit the more light weight machines.
[18:29] <knome> about what level of resources the machines have?
[18:30] <Dezponia> 1-2GB RAM, Atoms, Pentiums (from the core 2 era), Core 2 Duos and one Core i5 that I belive is from the sandybridge generation (havent had time to look over that machine yet)
[18:30] <Dezponia> So quite a wide range of hardware. One of them is the original ASUS EeePC I think
[18:31] <knome> some of the eeepc's at least would struggle with xubuntu
[18:31] <Dezponia> There are some others I havent had time to look over as well but in that range
[18:32] <knome> or at least, wouldn't be very comfortable to use
[18:32] <Dezponia> knome: Well thats the bottom of the spectrum, everything else should be faster so if one of them is a big slow I think people can live with it
[18:32] <Dezponia> is a bit*
[18:32] <knome> if you have 1GB+ RAM, then it should be pretty good
[18:32] <Dezponia> Its probably more important to have a unified experiance
[18:32] <Dezponia> I think they all do
[18:32] <knome> yeah, i agree, i've just used an eeepc with xubuntu, and that wasn't fun
[18:33] <knome> when are you about to set them up?
[18:34] <Dezponia> Pretty much whenever I get a free timeslot at work or if I feel like doing it at my free time (its a fun project and work is not charging them for it anyway). I took a few of them home with me to look over today and get started so hopefully right now
[18:34] <knome> if you are about to use xubuntu, then i'd wait until 16.04 is out if possible
[18:34] <knome> that's in 5 months
[18:34] <Dezponia> knome: Yeah I figured :P
[18:34] <knome> i understand that might be a bit too much...
[18:35] <knome> 14.04 is only supported until 2017, so you have about 1,5 years with it
[18:35] <Dezponia> knome: And yeah I was sort of hoping to have a fresh LTS to work with but thats not going to happen I think. They need the machines sort of soon at least
[18:35] <knome> right...
[18:36] <Dezponia> Also I've noticed a problematic behavior on earlier machines I've setup with Xubuntu in the past. Old kernels are not removed if the machine is set to auto-update which tends to fill their /boot and make them unable to install or upgrade anything. Thats a real usability problem
[18:36] <Dezponia> Thats not really inspiring confidence in setting them up for extended periods without someone familiar with the system to fix that
[18:36] <mrkramps> Dezponia, you may setup a cron job for handling this issue
[18:37] <Dezponia> mrkramps: Yeah I can, just seems to be such an obvious oversight. I've never seen any other distro do that except Ubuntu :P
[18:38] <mrkramps> but you're right, they should finally provide a solution for old kernels
[18:40] <knome> http://askubuntu.com/questions/345588/what-is-the-safest-way-to-clean-up-boot-partition/430944#430944 <- at the end of that comment, see the part about unattended upgrades and the apt config
[18:41] <Dezponia> knome: The tip at the bottom there looks to be what I'm after for this scenario. Thanks!
[18:43] <knome> of course, as always, note that this might introduce other problems...
[18:43] <Dezponia> knome: Whats the worse that can happen? :P
[18:44] <Dezponia> knome: Nah but i know. At least this COULD cause problems while the /boot 100% issue WILL happen without it
[18:44] <Dezponia> So pick your poison I guess :)
[18:48] <flocculant> Dezponia: the /boot issue only affects if you use encrypted iirc - not sure if you're doing that
[18:48] <flocculant> it uses an ext2 partition for /boot
[18:50] <Dezponia> flocculant: I dont encrypt. Still happening
[18:51] <flocculant> perhaps it's lvm that does it then
[18:54] <Dezponia> flocculant: Whats supposed to happen? I just using the auto partioning for those installs
[18:56] <flocculant> ok - so it's not the /boot with encrypt and/or lvm then :)
[18:56] <flocculant> that's where /boot is set to ~260Mb
[18:57] <knome> Dezponia, i don't know; if i knew, then that could be probably be avoided and we didn't need disclaimers like this :)
[19:23] <Sid__> hello team
[19:23] <Sid__> happy diwali
[19:23] <Sid__> need a small help
[19:23] <Sid__> with Xubuntu on Virtual machine
[19:23] <Sid__> VirtualBox is the tool i am using
[19:23] <Sid__> and i am not able to connect my USB external disk
[19:24] <Sid__> getting error verr_PDM_NO_USB_PORTS
[19:24] <Sid__> please advise
[19:24] <Sid__> thank you
[19:24] <mrkramps> usb access enabled in vbox?
[19:24] <Sid__> yes,
[19:24] <Sid__> i have added the virtual box addons
[19:24] <mrkramps> is it usb 3.0?
[19:24] <Sid__> and there are 3 options, USB 1.1, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0
[19:24] <Sid__> i selected 2.0
[19:24] <Sid__> as my laptop doesn't have 3.0 ports
[19:25] <mrkramps> guest additions installed?
[19:25] <Sid__> i followed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xoHpIMPbIc
[19:25] <Sid__> if that's what u are reffering to.
[19:26] <mrkramps> exactly
[19:26] <mrkramps> how many usb devices are connected?
[19:26] <Sid__> well
[19:26] <Sid__> if i go to my VM -> Devices -> USB -> there are 4 which are shown
[19:27] <Sid__> 2 unknown devices, 1 External disk and 1 2.4G wireless mouse receiver
[19:28] <Sid__> is there anymore information required, please advise and i will do my best to get it
[19:28] <mrkramps> hm, strange … the error message is about no finding a free usb port, but afaik the limit is greater than 4 (8? 12? or something)
[19:29] <mrkramps> usb hub in use?
[19:29] <Sid__> i need some guidence to find this info :(
[19:30] <mrkramps> a usb hub is just a simple device to attach multiple devices to one usb port … like a switch
[19:30] <mrkramps> so i guess, you're not using one ^^
[19:31] <Sid__> well no
[19:31] <Sid__> i like to keep things simple, :D
[19:34] <mrkramps> Sid__, but your host system is recognizing the usb disk?
[19:35] <Sid__> yes, but once i select VM -> Devices -> USB -> external disk
[19:35] <Sid__> it doesn't show in my computer
[19:35] <Sid__> screen
[19:36] <mrkramps> what kind of host system - in terms of operating system - are you running?
[19:38] <Sid__> windows 7 64 bit
[19:39] <Sid__> Guest Xubuntu wily version
[19:40] <mrkramps> Sid__, have you tested other usb devices? like a storage stick?
[19:41] <Sid__> hmm
[19:41] <Sid__> let me check and get back @ you
[19:41] <Sid__> right now the guest OS is switched off.
[19:41] <Sid__> is there some setting u want me to change?
[19:41] <mrkramps> actually not
[19:41] <mrkramps> you boot the guest an try if it recognize other usb devices
[19:42] <Sid__> doing that
[19:42] <Sid__> will advise shortly
[19:44] <Sid__> USB pen drive worked
[19:44] <Sid__> USB external Hard disk didn't :(
[19:45] <mrkramps> ok, so it is not a general issue
[19:45] <mrkramps> enable the usb 3.0 support, reboot guest and connect the external drive
[19:46] <Sid__> ok
[19:46] <Sid__> Also i realized 2 other issues... 1) screen resolution isn't 1366*768
[19:46] <Sid__> 2) no sound
[19:47] <Sid__> let me complete this usb issue
[19:48] <Sid__> GOD BLESS UR SOUL!!! IT worked
[19:49] <Sid__> i realized the case was USB 3.0
[19:49] <Sid__> hence the issue
[19:49] <Sid__> USB is working
[19:49] <Sid__> Yay!!!!
[19:49] <Sid__> :D
[19:49] <Sid__> now the other 2 issues.. screen resolution and No sound
[19:49] <Sid__> :(
[19:49] <knome> Sid__, i'm rejoicing with you, but please do not use enter as punctuation
[19:49] <Sid__> Understood..
[19:50] <Sid__> I am using IRC first time in my life. so sorry for any trouble caused. will remember this.
[19:50] <knome> no problem
[19:50] <knome> did you install the guest additions? after you did that, you can change your resolution to what you wish
[19:51] <Sid__> i did install the guest addition tools.. by following the steps in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xoHpIMPbIc
[19:51] <Sid__> I am seeing all the resolutions except 1366*768
[19:54] <knome> why do you need that exact resolution?
[19:55] <Sid__> full screen according to my laptop resolution
[19:55] <knome> why don't you just maximise the virtualbox window?
[19:58] <Sid__> it isn't the full screen. Maximizing has 2 grey vertical bars
[19:58] <Sid__> maximizing the virtualbox i mean
[19:58] <knome> then go into the full screen mode
[20:00] <mrkramps> Sid__, how much video memory is assigned for the guest os?
[20:01] <Sid__> 128 MB
[20:01] <Sid__> full
[20:02] <mrkramps> ok, should be enough then
[20:06] <Sid__> hmm.. i am trying re-install the guest additions
[20:06] <Sid__> maybe i might have missed a step or two
[20:06] <mrkramps> Sid__, reinstall from command and check for errors
[20:06] <mrkramps> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-guest-x11
[20:07] <mrkramps> sudo apt-get install --reinstall virtualbox-guest-x11
[20:07] <mrkramps> sry
[20:09] <Sid__> first command let me know that it is already  the newest version
[20:10] <Sid__> second command gave a warning. warning message - start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
[20:10] <mrkramps> but the second command reinstalled the package?
[20:11] <Sid__> it unpacked the package, processed some triggers and then gave me the aforementioned warning..
[20:12] <Sid__> and waiting for me to give commands
[20:16] <Sid__> my VM has come with a guest Additions ISO file. which i can mount. is there any thing i can do to use that to install guest additions on my Xubuntu
[20:16] <mrkramps> Sid__, reboot guest os and check if there's any improvement
[20:16] <Sid__> ok, mrkramps
[20:17] <mrkramps> then you may either try the guest additions from the iso file or try to add a custom resolution
[20:17] <Sid__> hmm
[20:20] <Sid__> i noticed that when i am starting my Guest os (Xubuntu) i am getting error "VBoxClient : Failed to connect to the virtualBox kernel service, rc=VERR_ACCESS_DENIED'
[20:21] <Sid__> could this be the cause?
[20:29] <dragon76> hello
[20:29] <dragon76> o
[20:29] <mrkramps> Sid__, probably you could try running the virtualbox client on windows host as administrator
[20:29] <Sid__> hmm.. let me try that
[20:31] <mrkramps> Sid__, otherwise try https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#idp47384986692304
[20:31] <mrkramps> and always reboot the guest os to apply the changes
[20:32] <Sid__> i always power off the guest OS
[20:32] <Sid__> anyways logining as admin didn't help
[20:33] <Sid__> as it is showing the same issues
[20:33] <dragon76> how to connect to this IRC channel via Pidgin? What's server name?
[20:33] <Sid__> however, i am seeing a CD icon on my xubuntu desktop
[20:33] <Sid__> and i am hoping this will solve the guest additions installation problem
[20:34] <Pici> dragon76: chat.freenode.net, but be warned, pidgin is not a good irc client.
[20:34] <Sid__> only thing i am not understanding is how to execute the installtion from that CD..
[20:34] <mrkramps> dragon76, the name of the server you want to connect to
[20:35] <mrkramps> dragon76, use irc.freenode.net to connect to this netwerk we are currently on
[20:35] <dragon76> thanks!
[20:36] <mrkramps> Sid__, afaik you have to start cd installation of guest additions from the command line
[20:38] <Sid__> well
[20:38] <Sid__> i managed to get it executing. i will update u guys..thank you
[20:38] <mrkramps> ok
[20:38] <dragon761> Thanks, mrkramps
[20:38] <dragon761> it's work
[20:39] <Sid__> it seems i was in the wrong directory...
[20:39] <dragon761> I like xubuntu much more and more :)
[20:40] <Sid__> i want to learn more about it :) and I hope i will be able enough to contribute to this community
[20:41] <mrkramps> Sid__, concerning your sound card you may also try another virtual hardware from the audio settings
[20:41] <Sid__> Yes, now the issue of resolution is done..
[20:41] <Sid__> now to the sound. let me check what are the options presented by the Virtualbox
[20:41] <dragon761> how to remove application from Sound menu in task bar? gmusicbrowser exactly
[20:42] <r007> hy guys im new
[20:42] <dragon761> hi! me too :)
[20:43] <dragon761> and other guys look at us and make LOL :)
[20:43] <Sid__> Ok Host audio driver options are Null Audio Driver & Windows DirectSound...... Audio Controller Options are Intel HD Audio, ICH AC97, SoundBlaster 16
[20:44] <Sid__> currently i am using Windows DirectSound and Intel HD Audio
[20:44] <Sid__> combination
[20:45] <r00d> hay @dragon761 :) nice
[20:49] <Sid__> ok this combination is working
[20:50] <Sid__> Thank you mrKramps. u are the best :) greetings from India and happy diwali..
[20:50] <mrkramps> you'Re welcome!
[20:52] <noodleslurp> hello.  while trying to install trillian in xubuntu 15.10, I have these unmet dependencies.  http://pastebin.com/xCWkyuCm  it worked in 15.04, should I just wait for it to be updated or something?
[20:52] <Sid__> BTW a quick question, u know how to remove the gmusicbrowser from the sound icon? like when i click it. it is present there
[20:55] <drc> Sid__: Do you just want to remove GMB from the menu, or do you not use it/use something else?
[20:56] <r00d> can i play dota 2 on xubuntu ?
[20:56] <Sid__> remove it completely
[20:56] <Sid__> and from the menu
[20:57] <drc> Sid__: Un-installing it should remove it from the menu (did on my machine)
[20:58] <Noskcaj> r00d, yes
[20:59] <Sid__> hmm.. I did uninstall but it is still present. may be a reboot will work :) let me check and advise
[21:00] <drc> maybe just a logout?
[21:00] <Sid__> too late :P ... i am almost finished the restart process
[21:01] <Sid__> AH! now the GMP is not there
[21:01] <Sid__> thank you
[21:01] <drc> np, enjoy
[21:02] <r00d> Noskcaj : what i need wine for that ?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> r00d, no, dota will run on windows, linux, or OSX
[21:05] <r00d> Noskcaj : wow its great i can play dota again :) thanks
[21:30] <joeberardis> hello?
[21:52] <Dezponia> How is multimedia support in xubuntu out of the box (with the extra "fluendo mp3" box ticked during install). Anything more that should be added post-install to give it "complete" multimedia support?
[21:54] <drc> Dezponia: I haven't found anything I wanted to play (audio or video) that I need anything extra.  No saying there aren't, I just never needed anything else.
[21:55] <drc> But if you don't want to do it that way you could just wait until after and install xubuntu restricted extras, that works also.
[21:57] <Dezponia> drc: Cursory glance at the installed gstreamer packages suggests the support is pretty fully fledged
[21:58] <Dezponia> Now I just need to load these machines up with a decent selection of free kid friendly games from the repos
[22:07] <drc> Sounds like a plan.
[22:08] <mrkramps> secret maryo chronicles
[22:31] <Orioa> i was wondering if anyone could tell why i have an issue
[22:32] <Orioa> the problem is when i disable my onboard monitor i get a funky box near wereever my mouse is


[15:00] <bdmurray> o/
[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <dbungert> o/
[15:00] <waveform> o/
[15:00] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
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[15:01] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:01] <bdmurray> echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox doko sil2100 rbalint mwhudson juliank waveform slyon jawnsmith dbungert)
[15:01] <bdmurray> juliank mwhudson jawnsmith waveform slyon dbungert bdmurray xnox rbalint vorlon sil2100 doko
[15:01] <bdmurray> juliank:
[15:02] <juliank> * +1 maintenance on Monday, Tuesday - infrastructure
[15:02] <juliank>   - autopkgtest-cloud: rebased the initial work on multiple cloud workers on top of current wip/mojo-juju-2
[15:02] <juliank> * +1 maintenance - packages (excluding simple retries I've forgotten about)
[15:02] <juliank>   - toil:
[15:02] <juliank>     + handle socket.timeout during AWS detection
[15:02] <juliank>     + toil: add to big_packagei
[15:02] <juliank>   - lintian vs aptdaemon: got pinged about aptdaemon failure, retried it. not sure if really +1 - lintian migrated.
[15:02] <juliank>   - rust cleanup:
[15:02] <juliank>     + Remove rust-num and rust-num-rational from archive (LP: #1920947)
[15:02] <juliank>     + Remove rust-proc-macro2 and rust-proc-quote (LP: #1920957)
[15:02] <juliank>     + Remove rust-derive-more from hirsute{,-proposed} (LP: #1920959)
[15:02] <juliank>   - non-rust cleanup:
[15:02] <juliank>     + Remove ams.lv2 (LP: #1920961)
[15:02] <juliank>   - synced privoxy 3.0.32-1 (upgrade from 3.0.31-1 which was failing), but needs further investigation
[15:02] <juliank>   - remove gconf-editor again, add it to sync blocklist (LP: #1921100)
[15:02] <juliank> * Spent quite a while on Monday finding, reporting, and fixing/working around issues in kernel and recovery stuff :/ :
[15:02] <juliank>   - my lxd storage pool (btrfs) failed. btrfsck hated the FS so much it crashed. Had to setup lxd from scratch :/ (same as https://github.com/kdave/btrfs-progs/issues/318)
[15:02] <juliank>   - when removing the old lxd storage pool LV, I noticed that lvremove failed to issue discards and tracked that down to a kernel issue, and reported it with upstream bug link (LP: #1920821)
[15:02] <juliank>   - trying to enter root shell in friendly-recovery menu, but both the ctrl+d prompt thingy and recovery menu run at same time it seems; menu does not react to input (LP: #1920834)
[15:02] <juliank> * Spent more time on 5.11 kernel communication inadequacies on Tuesday :)
[15:02] <juliank> * Reviewed some shim-review template updates
[15:02] <juliank> * shim-review:
[15:02] <juliank>   - Reviewed template updates
[15:02] <juliank>   - Answered some questions, and asked some submissions to elaborate on some points
[15:02] <juliank>   - Reviewed Miray submission review, waiting for more input
[15:02] <juliank> (done)
[15:03] <bdmurray> JawnSmith:
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * Testing new raspi kernel to ensure all lgpio protocols work
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * basic GPIO, i2c, and pwm work so far. SPI still needs to be tested
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * Writing demo scripts for an lgpio tutorial
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * Basic GPIO LED toggle example
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * i2c script to control an arduino and make it blink an LED
[15:03] <JawnSmith>     * PWM script to control fan speed
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * LP: #1571506 SRU verification: passed
[15:03] <JawnSmith> * LP: #1874824 fixing issues with pgrep/pkill when large stack limit is set
[15:03] <JawnSmith> [done]
[15:03] <bdmurray> waveform:
[15:03] <waveform> * lgpio package tweaked and uploaded (LP: #1916901)
[15:03] <waveform> * Worked on colorzero package (new dep for gpiozero, required for bumping version) (LP: #1921391)
[15:03] <waveform> * Added PR for netplan multi-driver match (LP: #1918421)
[15:03] <waveform> * Working on pi-gadget tweaks as temporary workaround for multi-driver match
[15:03] <waveform> * Figured out some arm64 boot issues on new stuff
[15:03] <waveform> * Pi meetings
[15:03] <waveform> (done)
[15:04] <slyon> - Takehome test
[15:04] <slyon> - Backlog/Roadmap grooming
[15:04] <slyon> [15:04] <slyon> - LP bug gardening
[15:04] <slyon> - netplan v0.102 release (FFe, SRU, lots of testing)
[15:04] <slyon>   * migrated in HH, pending for FF & GG
[15:04] <slyon> - Merged 'set' CLI writeback to existing file PR#197
[15:04] <slyon> - Merged 'networkctl reload/reconfigure' PR#200
[15:04] <slyon> - Improved integration test reliability/flakyness
[15:04] <slyon> - Fixed some bugs in the test-suite, PR#201 etc.
[15:04] <slyon> - Reviewed waveform's 'driver matching' PR#202
[15:04] <slyon> (done)
[15:04] <dbungert> * LP: #1717584 - redo MP after discussion.  Still determining passno policy.
[15:04] <dbungert> * LP: #1821412 - evaluate this fix for SRU but I have questions on it's
[15:04] <dbungert>   effectiveness on the problem.  The stated fix behavior doesn't seem relevant
[15:04] <dbungert>   to systemd systems.  Next action: revisit the bug and implement a new fix.
[15:04] <dbungert> * Subiquity - enable selection of updates during install thru API - code
[15:04] <dbungert> (done)
[15:04] <dbungert>   probably done, test underway
[15:04] <bdmurray> sponsored F and G SRUs for LP: #1892367
[15:04] <bdmurray> merged test case for amd64 netinstall of server live
[15:04] <bdmurray> fixed an apport issue with retracing /usr/lib/netplan/generate crashes
[15:04] <bdmurray> updated apport code in the production Error Tracker
[15:04] <bdmurray> reported LP: #1920568 regarding updating the autocert charm
[15:04] <bdmurray> pinged IS regarding updating ddebs key for prod Error Tracker
[15:04] <bdmurray> merged autopkgtest-cloud MP from ginggs
[15:04] <bdmurray> sponsoring report change reviews for seb
[15:05] <bdmurray> sponsoring report change reviews for seb
[15:05] <bdmurray> uploaded apport to hirsute fixing LP: #1920837
[15:05] <bdmurray> attended a meeting with some Ubuntu flavour representatives
[15:05] <bdmurray> uploaded Tiago's popcon changes for LP: #1921178
[15:05] <bdmurray> candidate interview
[15:05] <bdmurray> xnox:
[15:05] <xnox> fixing riscv kernel config & l2cache driver, local build done, need to retest from cold boot before submitting to the kernel team
[15:05] <xnox> shimx64.efi 15.3 is built and is good; however launchpad is incorrectly signing it, preparing sru of sbsigntool from focal to bionic for launchpad. This blocks submitting shim for signing.
[15:05] <xnox> fwupdate: synced fixes into hirsute, and it has SBAT support. But it will need SRUs to stable series.... or maybe one fwupdate?
[15:05] <xnox> one grub - everything is now lovely in -proposed in all the series
[15:05] <xnox> Openssl discussions & Spec discussions for hybrid classic/core boot
[15:05] <xnox> rebuilding rustc again with a better llvm s390x patch
[15:05] <xnox> done
[15:05] <bdmurray> balint is out so vorlon
[15:06] <vorlon>  * caught up with email from 2 weeks ago, I think
[15:06] <vorlon>  * continuing archive cleanup work in the post-freeze hirsute
[15:06] <vorlon>   * removed two of the longest-lingering rust packages in -proposed, thanks juliank for doing the analysis
[15:06] <vorlon>  * discussions around Ubuntu installs for a new class of x86 device
[15:06] <vorlon> (done)
[15:07] <bdmurray> sil2100:
[15:07] <sil2100> - Was off on Monday
[15:07] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:07] <sil2100> - Product discussions
[15:07] <sil2100> - Late for the TB meeting!
[15:07] <sil2100> - PR review for netplan's reload/reconfigure networkd instead of restart
[15:07] <sil2100> - A quick HWE meeting
[15:07] <sil2100> - ESM britney:
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Put some MPs for review
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Investigated into OpenID integration, quite easy and nice
[15:07] <sil2100> - Interviews
[15:07] <sil2100> - Preparing ubuntu-image 1.11 low-impact release
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Prepared FFe, got it approved
[15:07] <sil2100>   * Uploaded packages and SRUs
[15:07] <sil2100> - NEW review of lg-gpio for Dave, accepted with small changes
[15:07] <sil2100> - Deployed and tested the new daily-canary cdimage implementation for canary images
[15:07] <sil2100> - Modified the needrestart sanity test to skip some tests when in a container (for the armhf case)
[15:07] <sil2100> - Help with hints
[15:07] <sil2100> (done)
[15:08] <bdmurray> any questions on status?
[15:09] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:09] <bdmurray> bug 1821415 has been tagged for the desktop team
[15:10] <bdmurray> bug 1896186 was meant to be tagged notfixing which I've done
[15:10] <bdmurray> I spoke with some flavours about bug 1842047
[15:11] <bdmurray> So this is actually about the slides what appear when the system is shipped to the end user e.g. first boot.
[15:11] <bdmurray> MATE installs end up seeing the Ubuntu slideshow
[15:11] <xnox> 1821415 => but fixing it in polkit is hard; hence desktop team notfixed it => are any workaround we can apply in apport instead? or do they not work for how things apport does?
[15:12] <bdmurray> xnox: I was having difficulty launching pkagenttty (sp?)
[15:12] <xnox> bdmurray:  =(
[15:12] <xnox> suspected so, not sure if anybody uses it.
[15:13] <bdmurray> to be more specific launching it in python and then calling pkexec
[15:13] <bdmurray> The flavours understand we are close to release but would like to see the oem config bug fixed for II. Does that seem like something we could schedule?
[15:15] <bdmurray> I'll retag it rls-ii-incoming
[15:16] <bdmurray> rls-gg and rls-ff have nothing worthy of discussion
[15:16] <bdmurray> so on to vorlon
[15:17] <bdmurray> I'll jump the gun about pexpect colin added upading the buildds to his todo list
[15:17] <vorlon> [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:18] <vorlon> ok so that's pexpect addressed
[15:18] <vorlon> glibc, I believe rbalint has an MP for fixing up remaining hints to let it through; so we should see that get through today
[15:18] <vorlon> iproute2 vs systemd/ppc64el (again?)
[15:19] <vorlon> looks like that might be fixed by a retry, I'll take it (was my upload)
[15:19] <bdmurray> I'll retry software-properties on armhf
[15:19] <vorlon> systemd is listed as waiting on some armhf autopkgtest results... which are sure to never arrive at this point since they're not in the queue.  I'll retrigger those.
[15:20] <vorlon> apt and dpkg are candidates - anything blocking them?
[15:20] <sil2100> dpkg should be migrating
[15:20] <juliank> apt released
[15:20] <vorlon> looks like they've been accepted
[15:20] <sil2100> (since the chrony regression is worked on and in-flight)
[15:20] <vorlon> apport v binutils?
[15:21] <bdmurray> that's me
[15:21] <vorlon> ok
[15:21] <vorlon> then that's it
[15:21] <vorlon> bdmurray: back to you
[15:21] <bdmurray> # AOB
[15:21] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:21] <ahasenack> I have something, if I may
[15:21] <slyon> Europe will be switching timezones on Sunday, back to the usual schedule
[15:22] <bdmurray> ahasenack: you may
[15:22] <ahasenack> I'd like to promote rsyslog-gnutls to main in bionic+. It was just done for hirsute: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/388605
[15:22] <ahasenack> the MIR back then approved src:rsyslog
[15:22] <ahasenack> but nothing pulled rsyslog-gnutls into main, so it was left in universe
[15:22] <ahasenack> I'm wondering how we could do this for stable releases now
[15:24] <vorlon> do you want it promoted because it will be seeded somewhere now?
[15:24] <vorlon> it makes no practical difference for security support since the source is already in main
[15:24] <ahasenack> it's not seeded yet, that would be one way to have it promoted I guess, like we did for hirsute
[15:24] <xnox> ahasenack:  you need to propose a seed change. i.e. into like cloud-supported one.
[15:24] <ahasenack> I asked the secteam, they said if a vulnerability affected only this plugin, they would see this package is in universe and probably not update it
[15:25] <vorlon> ok I'd prefer we not go through this process just to retroactively change the component of a binary package
[15:25] <vorlon> I see
[15:25] <vorlon> so the process is to make sure the package is in -updates, since the release pocket is immutable; this may be just a copy from release to -updates
[15:25] <vorlon> and then an override
[15:25] <ahasenack> rmadison, for those who haven't run it: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/h4XfQ76hZy/
[15:25] <xnox> and a seed change =)
[15:25] <vorlon> and as xnox says, we should seed it for bookkeeping purposes, though in practice no one looks at component-mismatches post-release
[15:26] <ahasenack> how would I proceed, make an MP for a seed change?
[15:26] <xnox> maybe we should have per-series component-missmatches reports, even if we don't action them.
[15:26] <xnox> ahasenack:  yes.
[15:26] <vorlon> running a report that we won't look at - pass :)
[15:26] <ahasenack> you want it against cloud-supported?
[15:27] <ahasenack> we did it in a sysadmin seed for hirsute
[15:27] <xnox> ahasenack: or any other appropriate place.
[15:27] <ahasenack> ok
[15:27] <ahasenack> I can do that, for all bionic+
[15:27] <xnox> ahasenack:  there is server-supported too => if server team will be supporting it.
[15:27] <ahasenack> bionic, focal and groovy
[15:27] <ahasenack> it's a foundations package
[15:27] <xnox> ahasenack:  or you can install it by default in ubuntu-server.... if you want it to be always avilable/installed
[15:27] <xnox> (but that's a bit heavy weight)
[15:27] <xnox> ahasenack:  seeds are product based. there is no "foundatins-supported" =)
[15:27] <ahasenack> no, just in main, not installed by default
[15:27] <cpaelzer> it is not desired to install it by default, not even as recommends
[15:28] <xnox> ahasenack:  cpaelzer: cloud-supported are teh CPC images/products, hence i see that as suitable.
[15:28] <ahasenack> ok, so seed change, then I ping an archive admin?
[15:28] <ahasenack> to copy it to main/updates
[15:28] <ahasenack> only focal had an update for it
[15:28] <xnox> (one day CPC may say actually this is no longer used, etc.)
[15:28] <ahasenack> bionic and groovy have it in the release pocket only
[15:29] <vorlon> ahasenack: yes
[15:29] <ahasenack> vorlon: xnox ok, thanks
[15:29] <juliank> #link https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/hirsute/release.txt
[15:29] <juliank> lots of missing  build-depends on missing dh-systemd:amd64
[15:32] <bdmurray> okay, anything else?
[15:32] <JawnSmith> I'll be out Thursday/Friday of next week. I'm on +1 maintenance until then
[15:32] <mclemenceau> I'll be out tomorrow
[15:33] <bdmurray> okay, thanks everybody!
[15:33] <sil2100> o/
[15:33] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[15:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:33:37 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-03-25-15.00.moin.txt
[15:41] <xnox> sil2100:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=sbsigntool please
[15:42] <sil2100> o/
[15:42] <sil2100> On it in a momento!


[16:40] <dmj_s76> xnox: Anything else you need for https://code.launchpad.net/~dmj726/ubiquity/nvme-fix/+merge/299596 ?
[17:37] <xnox> dmj_s76, it's all good. thanks for confirming the legacy boot code path.
[17:38] <xnox> when i coded nvme support it was only available via UEFI boot and not via legacy boot at all.
[17:38] <xnox> hence legacy boot was never tested / never worked correctly.
[17:39] <xnox> i'm not quite sure about the regexp pattern.
[17:39] <xnox> cyphermox, above merge proposal looks ok to me, what do you think?
[17:40] <dmj_s76> xnox: Legacy boot is still a bit messed up for multiple drive scenarios, so more than open to help on that.
[17:42] <dmj_s76> this patch should make single drive nvme legacy installs work without breaking anything, and I'm working on figuring out why multiple drives behaves weird, but it's a separate issue
[17:42] <dmj_s76> xnox: What did you have to change for nvme UEFI support?
[17:43] <dmj_s76> I've noticed that UEFI survives even with dumb/wrong targeting in grub_default()
[17:50] <dmj_s76> xnox: looking to get this change into 16.04.1
[22:17] <dmj_s76> xnox: cyphermox is on vacation I believe
[23:19] <xnox> didims
[23:20] <xnox> i guess it's on me to test and land this then.


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[11:31] <renatu> mhall119, hi could you review this mr? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-docviewer-app/no-file-hint/+merge/316865
[11:32] <renatu> mhall119, and this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-calculator-app/snap-mir/+merge/316889
[13:52]  * Mirv updates qt58 cloud part description a bit now that Qt 5.8.0 is actually released
[13:55] <ltinkl> kalikiana, so to continue, I branched trunk and submitted against staging, is that correct?
[13:56] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Aha. I was about to ask that. You need to branch lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging - not trunk
[13:56] <kalikiana> Otherwise your diff includes all the changes since the latest stable trunk
[13:56] <ltinkl> kalikiana, that explains it :) ok, will resubmit
[14:09] <ltinkl> kalikiana, now it looks better: https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/asyncDbusClipboard/+merge/316965
[14:16] <kalikiana> Thanks!
[14:19] <kalikiana> artmello: ^^
[14:21] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Did you consider how this could be unit-tested?
[14:23] <ltinkl> kalikiana, well hard to do imo - as it's a race condition
[14:24] <ltinkl> kalikiana, and the MockContentService used in the test won't cut it
[14:26] <kalikiana> ltinkl: How about making the mock service sleep when it initializes or responds? And then one could see if the test slows down when initializing the QML
[14:26] <kalikiana> Simplifying the problem, the service shouldn't affect creating the component, right?
[14:28] <ltinkl> kalikiana, but it does, since it's a singleton and it's used in a Connections from QML
[14:29] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Well, I'm trying to narrow down what's affecting startup of Unity in the context of the bug report
[14:29] <kalikiana> That's what you're trying to fix
[14:29] <kalikiana> It can affect startup so long as initialization is synchronous
[14:30] <kalikiana> Right?
[14:30] <ltinkl> kalikiana, the problem is: unity8/qtmir is starting up, we have a TextField somewhere in our GUI which contains the call to UCContentHub, calls content-hub over DBUS, but at the same time content-hub is asking qtmir for authorization
[14:33] <ltinkl> kalikiana, I assume content-hub somehow also queries the clipboard, but the implementation of QPlatformClipboard is in qtmir :) so we get a nice circular dependency and DBUS gets stuck, until one of the calls times out
[14:34] <kalikiana> Hmmm
[14:35] <ltinkl> kalikiana, the tricky (blocking) part is creating QDBusInterface in your CTOR, you don't even have to make any calls
[14:38] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Maybe the mock service should actually just time out the first call? To mimic what's happening at login, regardless of the actual reason
[14:38]  * ltinkl thinking if it would really prove anything
[14:41] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Do you know if the real content hub eventually returns anything useful right now?
[14:41] <kalikiana> Or does it just timeout with an error
[14:41] <ltinkl> kalikiana, heh ye, that's another prob - your implementation uses calls that (at least here) do not even exist on dbus
[14:42] <kalikiana> ltinkl: How do you mean don't exist?
[14:42] <ltinkl> kalikiana, if I introspect my content-hub, it e.g. doesn't have "RequestPasteByAppId"
[14:43] <ltinkl> kalikiana, or the "PasteSelected" signal
[14:43] <kalikiana> Interesting.
[14:44] <ltinkl> kalikiana, PasteboardChanged and PasteFormats is there
[14:44] <kalikiana> Maybe let's wait til artmello could provide some input - I don't actually know that much about contenthub
[14:46] <ltinkl> kalikiana, yeah, me neither
[14:48] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Do you mind if I copy your explanations into the MR description?
[14:48] <ltinkl> kalikiana, sure. go ahead
[14:50] <kalikiana> Thanks
[14:53] <ltinkl> kalikiana, hmm, the popover is also wrong: if I select some text and do Ctrl+C, it gets copied to clipboard which I can paste using Ctrl+V; but the Paste icon is disabled (because content-hub doesn't have it)
[14:55] <artmello> ltinkl, kalikiana: hey, sorry was afk
[14:56] <artmello> ltinkl, kalikiana: reading. content-hub still do not return anything because silo 2179 still did not land
[14:57] <artmello> ltinkl, kalikiana: we hoped it would land together with uitk changes but we got delayed after mir update. right now we are blocked with bug #1661704
[14:58] <artmello> ltinkl, kalikiana: so, yeah, none of those dbus calls are available on content-hub so far
[14:59] <ltinkl> artmello, I see, thx; please have a look at my branch, it blocks u8 startup, quite severe
[15:00] <artmello> ltinkl: sure, checking it right now
[16:10] <kalikiana> ltinkl: You've got some unit test failures
[16:11] <ltinkl> kalikiana, yup, looking into it
[16:31] <ltinkl> kalikiana, do you have an easy way to run a single test (instead of the "make test" beast)?
[17:13] <kalikiana> ltinkl: Sure. Change into the folder of the test and run 'make check' (assuming you're using Make). See also the file README, section Tests.


[00:47] <jokowiuk> hello
[00:48] <jokowiuk> looking for some advise on maas
[00:48] <jokowiuk> i have my server setup with LSI Raid card..
[00:49] <jokowiuk> when commisioning the node..it does not detect the disk
[00:49] <jokowiuk> when i check i can see it is there
[00:49] <jokowiuk> so i manually add using cli
[00:49] <jokowiuk> however, when deploy autopilot..
[00:50] <jokowiuk> i get an error saying that the serial number that i key in is not valid
[00:50] <jokowiuk> or cant find the disk with the serial number
[00:50] <jokowiuk> can we use the id_path instead..
[00:50] <jokowiuk> and what is the best/most common value that we put inside id_path?
[23:41] <mup> Bug #1571252 changed: ppc64 cloud images (14.04, 15.10) don't restart network after a 'reboot' send from the CLI <cloud-init:New> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1571252>


 You're late. We've been in here for days now.
[03:08] <troy_s> skulking freaks.
[03:09] <luisbg> freaky stalkers
[06:46] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm glad I was able to find a way  to get back the old font rendering -- the new lcd filter gives me eyestrain.
[06:46] <DanaG> But somehow, it's still not quite the same as Feisty.
[10:09] <kwwii> moin
[10:09] <kwwii> _MMA_: played with a wallpaper idea for -studio
[10:10] <kwwii> guess it is 4am for you - be amazed if you are up
[10:29] <nothlit`alpha> morning
[10:29] <nothlit`alpha>  kwwii: this guy has feisty installed on two machines http://portfolio.cgsociety.org/recent/cgt_button_redirect.php?userid=165135
[10:55] <kwwii> cool, he does some neat work on 3d games
[10:57] <nothlit> i can look up more cgsociety ubuntu-using artists to 'draft'
[10:57] <kwwii> but I bet he does not do any modeling on linux
[10:58] <nothlit> i've been looking up mostly the 2d artists anyways
[10:59] <nothlit> but things like maya run on linux
[11:02] <kwwii> true
[11:02] <kwwii> s/my/his
[11:02] <nothlit`alpha> wait, i sent you a pm
[11:02] <nothlit`alpha> just want to know whats going on
[11:03] <kwwii> if you do it with a nick that is not registered it won't work
[11:03] <nothlit> doh
[11:03] <nothlit> thanks for the tip
[11:09] <lassegul> good morning
[11:09] <nothlit> good evening lol :D
[11:10] <lassegul> where are you located?
[11:10] <nothlit> hong kong
[11:11] <lassegul> ok. hows it going with the art.ubuntu.com project?
[11:12] <nothlit> nothing since i've talked to matthew, mostly taken as far as i can until the meeting
[11:15] <nothlit> lassegul: look at the scrollback, been looking for ubuntu users @ cgsociety, will probably do a search through deviantart/gnome-look later
[01:39] <lassegul> nothlit: whats your take on deviantart? Will you just find people who you think makes fitting art, or will you search for ubuntu users or what?
[01:43] <nothlit> lassegul: looking for those who already create ubuntu art
[01:43] <lassegul> nothlit: ok.
[01:44] <nothlit> not just a lot of artists in the ubuntu community that arne't being tapped
[01:44] <nothlit> by those creating ubuntu art
[01:44] <nothlit> but*
[01:44] <lassegul> yeah
[02:34] <_MMA_> kwwii: Hi. I'm up now. :)
[03:08] <_MMA_> kwwii: You didnt post the wall to the wiki? Or you wanted me to peak at it 1st? :)
[05:28] <terlmann> today is Sunday september 30th. It appears to be a Missouri weather day with cool winds blowing steadily with a scent of the far-off hills.
[11:10] <dmccall> Hm... the GNOME Desktop Devel mailing list has a discussion about timelapsed backgrounds probably coming in 2.22. Could be worth thinking about for Hardy ;)
[11:12] <dmccall> Particularly cool sounding is that backgrounds can be set for times of day, so there could be a morning / day / night version of a wallpaper
[11:12] <dmccall> Dawn of Ubuntu, Night of Ubuntu and Ubuntu Spring -- search gnome-look -- are three wallpapers that could, for example, be quite effective with that
[11:14] <Viper550> Hey everyone, long time no pay attention
[12:19] <lassegul> hi sketec you got in!
[12:28] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release?