[02:58] <arkan0x> hi
[03:15] <mhz> hi
[03:16] <mhz> arkan0x: hi
[03:17] <arkan0x> mhz, ! hi
[03:17] <mhz> como estas
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz, http://www.cdsl.cl/?q=node/90
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz, bien
[03:18] <mhz> si lo vi
[03:18] <arkan0x> mhz, fui pal mac
[03:18] <mhz> y estoy de acuerdo
[03:18] <mhz> y ?
[03:18] <mhz> todo cool?
[03:18] <arkan0x> y claro , pantalla mala :(
[03:18] <mhz> hhehehe
[03:18] <mhz> lo dije
[03:18] <arkan0x> osea deje todo cool
[03:18] <mhz> ahhh
[03:18] <mhz> arkan0x: no esperaba menos
[03:18] <arkan0x> onda ke los pcs se prenden y el tarro terminal se conecta
[03:19] <arkan0x> al tiro
[03:19] <mhz> y el senor Baez ha ido?
[03:19] <arkan0x> nop
[03:19] <mhz> y viveros?
[03:19] <arkan0x> el domingo fue
[03:19] <mhz> quienes fueron a la reunion? (yo me desocupe a las 20:30 en Tobalba)
[03:20] <arkan0x> onda , yo , el gabriel y el gompa
[03:20] <mhz> naaaa!
[03:20] <arkan0x> sep
[03:20] <mhz> lo lamento!
[03:20] <mhz> y por que lo haces?
[03:21] <arkan0x> pq hay ke difundir igual
[03:21] <mhz> sip
[03:21] <mhz> pero por que no lo haces a tu manera?
[03:22] <arkan0x> ?????
[03:22] <mhz> en algun lugar o forma que te sientas comodo y no presionado a abarcar cosas que no decidiste
[03:22] <arkan0x> aaa claro
[03:22] <arkan0x> tranquilo , ya vendran esos dias , XD
[03:22] <mhz> hehehe
[03:22] <mhz> ojala
[03:22] <arkan0x> pero primero hay que partir por lo dificil
[03:22] <mhz> me da mucha lata que te saques la mugre tu y otros 2
[03:23] <mhz> nha!
[03:23] <arkan0x> osea hay que pasar por esto ...
[03:23] <arkan0x> pa no cometer los mismo errores en el futuro
[03:25] <mhz> tienes inkscape?
[03:26] <arkan0x> sep
[03:27] <arkan0x> mhz, problemas con nat parece
[03:27] <arkan0x> problemas mios xD
[03:27] <mhz> oo
[03:28] <arkan0x> mhz, por web ,apacheo ?
[03:28] <arkan0x> ,mail?
[03:28] <mhz> okis
[03:30] <arkan0x> mhz, working suspend and NIC ?
[03:30] <mhz> not tried yet
[03:30] <mhz> but will as soon as I can :)
[03:30] <mhz> mail sent, arkan0x
[03:31] <arkan0x> and , ## the interfaces the seccion "mapping hotplug" ?
[03:31] <arkan0x> and , ## the interfaces in the seccion "mapping hotplug" ?
[03:31] <arkan0x> xD
[03:34] <mhz> si cacho que tienes razon ahi
[03:34] <arkan0x> mhz, ta wueno el logo
[03:34] <arkan0x> eso zi , tiende como a corporativo
[03:35] <mhz> sipo!
[03:36] <mhz> lo veremos en rojo luego (en vez de aranjo
[03:37] <arkan0x> mhz, usas algun software Voip , como gnomemeeting ?
[03:37] <mhz> jamas lo he usado, pero supongo que podria
[03:37] <mhz> deseas probar ahora?
[03:38] <arkan0x> calmao
[03:40] <arkan0x> ya probemos
[03:40] <arkan0x> pero tienes microfono a mano ?
[03:40] <arkan0x> si no , no hay drama
[03:41] <mhz> executing
[03:41] <mhz> configuring
[03:43] <mhz> ya
[03:43] <mhz> arkan0x: como se hace?
[03:44] <mhz> arkan0x: ??
[03:44] <mhz> arkaaaaaannn000000x
[03:44] <arkan0x> mhz, !!!
[03:45] <mhz> h323: url?
[03:45] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[03:45] <arkan0x>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:46] <mhz> calling...
[03:46] <mhz> remote host is offline
[03:47] <mhz> h323:<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:47] <mhz> o le saco el h323?
[03:47] <arkan0x> mhz,  no
[03:58] <mhz> arkan0x: oops
[03:59] <mhz> se me fue la bateria
[03:59] <mhz> hehehe
[03:59] <arkan0x> okidokis
[03:59] <mhz> podemos probar de nuevo?
[03:59] <mhz> le pusiste beep al Xchat?
[04:00] <arkan0x> beep ?
[04:00] <arkan0x> wtf?
[04:00] <mhz> arkan0x: beep al Xchat? arkan0x arkan0x
[04:00] <mhz> te suena?
[04:00] <mhz> te suena cuand te pingeo?
[04:01] <mhz> Burgundavia: hi
[04:01] <arkan0x> mhz,  nu
[04:01] <arkan0x> nu me gustan los sonidos xD
[04:01] <mhz> ahh
[04:01] <mhz> ok
[04:01] <arkan0x> en mensajeria
[04:01] <arkan0x> pero haver
[04:01] <mhz> bueno, probamos el gnomemeeting?
[04:01] <arkan0x> vamos a probar en irc
[04:01] <arkan0x> yap
[04:01] <mhz> arkan0x:
[04:01] <mhz> arkan0x: te sono?
[04:03] <arkan0x> mhz,  no
[04:03] <mhz> arkan0x:
[04:03] <mhz> arkan0x: ahora?
[04:04] <arkan0x> mhz, no
[04:04] <arkan0x> eske no tengo configurado los sonidos en xchat
[04:04] <mhz> ah, ok
[04:04] <Burgundavia> salut mhz
[04:05] <mhz> y como probaMOS gnomemeeting, arkan0x
[04:05] <mhz> Burgundavia: salut
[04:05] <arkan0x> mhz, conectate a mi ip
[04:05] <arkan0x> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:05] <arkan0x> mhz,
[04:06] <mhz> pero si trato pu
[04:06] <arkan0x> y nu pasa na :(?
[04:06] <mhz> y me dice: remote host is offline
[04:06] <arkan0x> mmm
[04:06] <arkan0x> calmao , deja abrir el puerto
[04:06] <mhz> duh!
[04:10] <arkan0x> mhz, !
[04:11] <mhz> arkan0x: !
[04:11] <arkan0x> mhz, nmapeame <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:11] <mhz> hahahaha nice verb
[04:11] <mhz> dejame ver si tengo nmpa
[04:12] <mhz> nmap
[04:13] <mhz> siempre demora tanto?
[04:13] <mhz> el nmap/
[04:13] <arkan0x> sep
[04:14] <mhz> All 1663 scanned ports on pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) are: filtered
[04:14] <mhz> Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 42.631 seconds
[04:15] <ajmitch_> hm
[04:15] <mhz> ajmitch_: hi
[04:15] <ajmitch_> hello
[04:15] <mhz> ajmitch_: too much spenish for you?
[04:15] <mhz> spanish
[04:16] <mhz> ajmitch_: we are saying we wanna be just like M$
[04:16] <mhz> we love M$
[04:16] <mhz> ajmitch_: in fact we're organizing M$ Love Day
[04:16] <ajmitch_> wonderful
[04:16] <arkan0x> mhz, testing again
[04:18] <mhz> arkan0x: but that ip is for the desktop or laptop
[04:18] <arkan0x> mhz, redireccione puertos
[04:19] <mhz> ahh
[04:19] <arkan0x> mhz, osea en teoria XD
[04:19] <mhz> hehehe
[04:19] <arkan0x> segun firewall-jay
[04:19] <arkan0x> eso hize
[04:19] <mhz> hmmm
[04:19] <mhz> e iptables?
[04:20] <arkan0x> firewall-jay , script en perl+dialog de iptables
[04:20] <mhz> duh
[04:20] <arkan0x> coomo firestarter pero mas bakan
[04:20] <mhz> ooooohh
[04:20] <arkan0x> eske firestarter es bueno ,pero no soporta compartir para mas de 2 interfaces
[04:21] <mhz> ni idea
[04:21] <arkan0x> algo tonto ,pero que recien en la version siguiente esta soportado
[04:21] <mhz> solo he usado iptables manualmente
[04:21] <arkan0x> algo que en iptables a manopla seria una linea mas
[04:21] <arkan0x> que en firewall-jay , un enter mas xD
[04:22] <mhz> ahhh
[04:22] <mhz> buen punto
[04:23] <arkan0x> mhz, te conecta ?
[04:25] <mhz> dejame ver..
[04:25] <mhz> remote user is unreachable
[04:25] <arkan0x> o prueba con arkanox.homelinux.org
[04:25] <mhz> okis
[04:25] <mhz> idem
[04:25] <arkan0x> mmm
[04:25] <arkan0x> me sale ke tengo el puerto abierto :(
[04:27] <mhz> nmaping
[04:34] <mhz> que puerto usa esta cuestion?
[04:34] <mhz> arkan0x: que te parecio el UbuntuRequestDay?
[04:35] <mhz> arkan0x: solo el 80 esta ok
[04:35] <mhz> arkan0x: hiciste la config. al inicio de gnomemeeting, testeando NAT ?
[05:40] <DaBass> hey
[05:48] <DaBass> anybody here?
[08:59] <juliux> morning
[09:00] <juliux> JaneW, do you have the ubuntu cd labels as svg or png? we will burn and print ubuntu dvds in germany
[09:01] <juliux> JaneW, if you have please mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:01] <juliux> thanks
[10:29] <JaneW> juliux: ubuntu or edubuntu? I don't have ubuntu labels. and the edubuntu stuff is at: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip
[10:30] <juliux> JaneW, ubuntu and edubunt
[10:30] <juliux> JaneW, who can i ask for a ubuntu cd label?
[10:30] <juliux> JaneW, i want to make a DVD label
[10:31] <juliux> JaneW, the problem is that i don't want to work with gimp
[10:44] <JaneW> juliux: I sent you what I have, but it's pdf...
[10:44] <juliux> JaneW, ok thanks
[10:44] <juliux> JaneW, who else can i ask?
[10:44] <JaneW> Jane Silber
[10:44] <JaneW> you'll see in the e-mail
[10:44] <juliux> JaneW, thanks i will write her an e-mail
[10:45] <juliux> JaneW, we will buy for germany a printer who can print cds/dvds
[10:45] <juliux> ok i will be away
[10:45] <juliux> cu
[10:53] <JaneW> juliux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing <- all you are looking for
[10:53] <JaneW> mhz: you will be interested in that too ^
[11:59] <Belutz> ogra, you there?
[12:01] <ogra> Belutz, whatsup ?
[12:02] <Belutz> ogra, you have the presentation slides for edubuntu? I got 30 minutes time in the Debian Conference
[12:03] <ogra> Belutz, havent them ready yet for sending ...but 30min is fine
[12:04] <ogra> err, debian conference ? which one ?
[12:05] <Belutz> Debian Conference II in Indonesia, you can check the website at http://debconf.vlsm.org , but it's in Indonesian
[12:05] <ogra> indonesia ?
[12:05] <ogra> heh
[12:06] <Belutz> the problem is that jsgotangco can't come to do the speech, so maybe one from our loco team will do the presentation
[12:06] <Belutz> yup Indonesia
[12:06] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/edubuntu_talk.pdf
[12:07] <ogra> thats the talk i held on ubuntu love day in montreal
[12:07] <Belutz> ok, thanks :)
[12:07] <Belutz> is it ok, if we translate it into Indonesian?
[12:08] <ogra> its not very good, but a base to build on ... i'll hold another talk in german next week, i'll proably put an updated version online (even in english)
[12:08] <Belutz> ok, i'll be checking for it next week
[12:08] <ogra> when is ths conference ? there is no date on the frontpage
[12:09] <Belutz> its on december 3rd
[12:09] <ogra> oh
[12:09] <ogra> mine too :)
[12:09] <Belutz> wew :-)
[12:09] <Belutz> maybe we will present about ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu briefly
[12:10] <Belutz> they also provide one booth for us
[12:10] <ogra> thats great :)
[12:11] <Belutz> :)
[12:34] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[12:34] <ogra> Yagisan, pong
[12:35] <Yagisan> ogra: finally had a chance to sit down at the pc since bub came out, and I noticed my multi-arch patch for ltsp isn't in dapper
[12:36] <Yagisan> ogra: you mentioned that you had a fixed version ?
[12:36] <ogra> not *yet* in dapper
[12:36] <ogra> yes
[12:36] <ogra> mdz didnt merge my branch yet, he wants some fixes in ldm before
[12:36] <ogra> i'm abot to do them tonight
[12:36] <Yagisan> ogra: ah, ok
[12:37] <Yagisan> ogra: So I should see it appear in a few days ?
[12:37] <ogra> expect it to be in before end of next week, he wanted some (trivial) fixes on your patch too .... (--arch <arch> instead of --<arch>)
[12:37] <ogra> yup
[12:39] <Yagisan> ogra: :) OK - I'll give it another tinker next week
[12:40] <ogra> dont worry, i'll make it ...
[12:40] <Yagisan> ogra: I've spent some time trying to track down why accelerated opengl isn't working on the clients today
[12:41] <Yagisan> ogra: I discovered that the thin client *does* load dri drivers according to the X.org log on the client
[12:41] <ogra> dont put to much time into this, we wont schip the restricted modules package by default ...
[12:42] <Yagisan> ogra: but for whatever reason I end up with MesaGL Indirect when running glxinfo
[12:43] <Yagisan> ogra: I managed to dig up a 2GB hdd, and shoehorn breezy on to it, and put it into my test client
[12:43] <ogra> yes, because the app can only attach to the servers /dev/{nvidia, dri , whatever}
[12:43] <ogra> you would have to export the direct access to the hardware somehow
[12:43] <ogra> at least thats my theory
[12:45] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm - anyway - the local install had the correct renderer "Mesa DRI Radeon 20050528 AGP 1x TCL"
[12:45] <Yagisan> ogra: with the same packages as the thin client, so that would seem to support your theory
[12:45] <ogra> which somehow fits into this ...
[12:45] <ogra> :)
[12:46] <Yagisan> ogra: that it can't access the local devices
[12:46] <ogra> yup
[12:46] <Yagisan> ogra: IIRC wasn't local devices a dapper spec ?
[12:46] <ogra> and exporting them is not possivle
[12:46] <ogra> for block device access, yes
[12:47] <ogra> but thats solved in another way ... you cant export devices to the server ...
[12:47] <ogra> they are maaaaaaagic files ...
[12:47] <ogra> whoops
[12:47] <ogra> EKBD
[12:49] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm - anyway I did discover that a Pentium2 300 + Radeon 7500 are enough to easily run my opengl apps
[12:49] <ogra> yup
[12:50] <ogra> but still, you cnt solve this problem in a secure way ... except if you put a whole OS into the chroot ...
[12:50] <ogra> but thats rather a "very thick client" solution
[12:52] <Yagisan> ogra: does "vanilla" ltsp have accelerated  opengl ?
[12:52] <ogra> nope
[12:53] <ogra> they dont even have nvidia or ati drivers
[12:53] <ogra> thats why we decided to drop them too... is a big memory hog to have them installed and the volatile l-r-m directory in a ramdisk ...
[12:54] <Yagisan> ogra: that reminds me - I should ask why that did the volatile l-r-m
[12:54] <Yagisan> s/that/they
[12:55] <ogra> becuase its faster to load drivers from the ramdisk i guess ...
[12:55] <Yagisan> ogra: in that case - load the whole kernel into a ramdisk
[12:56] <ogra> why ? the kernel is already in memory ...
[12:56] <Yagisan> ogra: I heard rumors that a distro was given a cease and desist for shipping non-free modules
[12:56] <Yagisan> ogra: but not all kernel modules are in memory
[12:57] <ogra> nope
[12:57] <ogra> but the display modules are probably critical for bootspeed
[12:57] <Yagisan> ogra: would that be a reason for a volatile l-r-m ?
[12:58] <ogra> i think so... but i'm only guessing... ask Keybuk or BenC for such stuff
[12:58] <Yagisan> ogra: K
[12:59] <Yagisan> ogra: the faster client boot up patches, you are also merging them tonight ?
[12:59] <ogra> nope
[01:00] <ogra> thats still WIP ... as the local devices
[01:05] <Yagisan> ogra: thinking about the opengl app vs a "normal" x11 app - both send their display commands from the thin client server (which is an X11 client)
[01:05] <Yagisan> to the thin client (which is an X11 server)
[01:07] <Yagisan> now the X11 server on the thin client isn't loading dri drivers for opengl apps
[01:07] <Yagisan> yet, because the X11 server is running on the thin client - it should be able to
[01:09] <Yagisan> when the thin client boots - It loads / over nfs right ?
[01:09] <Yagisan> would it be possible to mount the thin clients /proc and /dev after mounting / over nfs ?
[01:10] <Yagisan> that should give the thin clients X11 server access to dri/nvidia/ati/matrox/whatever devices
[01:11] <Yagisan> and allow accelerated opengl, and possibly other accelerated graphics functions
[01:15] <Yagisan> ogra: thoughts ?
[02:22] <mhz> hi all
[02:23] <mhz> highvoltage: yup, one manifesto for all flavours and all flavours for one manifesto!
[02:29] <mhz> zakame: hi
[02:29] <mhz> wb
[02:29] <zakame> hey mhz :D
[02:58] <mhz> hi juliux
[02:58] <juliux> hi mhz
[02:58] <juliux> mhz, have you make the cd label for edubuntu?
[02:59] <mhz> isn't it ok, the current one?
[03:00] <juliux> mhz, its perfect
[03:00] <juliux> mhz, but can you make also on for amd64
[03:00] <mhz> ohh, yo mean the changes to it? like This is for "your PC" stuff?
[03:00] <juliux> mhz, right
[03:00] <mhz> ahhhhhhh
[03:00] <juliux> mhz,  i need it next weekend
[03:00] <mhz> yes, it will/should be done tomorrow
[03:01] <juliux> mhz, and if you have time can you make them with no cd but dvd ?
[03:01] <mhz> no problem. Can I ask you an unusual favor? Can you please send me an email requesting it?
[03:01] <juliux> mhz, ok i will send you an e-mail with this stuff
[03:01] <juliux> mhz, e-mail?
[03:01] <mhz> thx for understanding
[03:01] <mhz> please
[03:02] <mhz> oh, sure
[03:02] <juliux> mhz, no problem
[03:02] <mhz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:02] <mhz> or
[03:02] <mhz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:02] <juliux> oh no gamil.com adress
[03:04] <juliux> mhz, send
[03:04] <mhz> okis
[03:04] <mhz> juliux: you dislike gmail?
[03:05] <juliux> mhz, yes
[03:05] <mhz> I dislike yahoo and hotmail
[03:05] <mhz> why?
[03:05] <juliux> mhz, i don't want to have an e-mailservice which saves every e-mail from me in a database
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: don't many e-mails do that?
[03:14] <mhz> juliux: many people can't just afford either technically or cost to have their own service
[03:17] <juliux> mhz, yes but i have my own server and my own domains
[03:18] <mhz> cool
[03:18] <mhz> you can afford it and cost it
[03:18] <highvoltage> mhz: glad you agree! bbl.
[03:18] <mhz> highvoltage: ?
[03:19] <juliux> mhz, do you want to have an account?
[03:19] <highvoltage> mhz: manifesto
[03:19] <mhz> juliux: not yet (I have @tecnocimiento.cl) but I'd like to have some tech info so I can think about it :)
[03:19] <juliux> mhz, ok
[03:19] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, yes.
[03:20] <juliux> mhz, i have to go shopping
[03:20] <mhz> juliux: np, have a nice spending money time
[03:20] <mhz> :D
[04:20] <mhz> Yagisan: hi happy dad!!!
[04:20] <zakame> hey Yagisan :)
[04:24] <Yagisan> G'day mhz, zakame
[04:24] <ogra> Yagisan, sorry for not answering before ... was dragged away by some work stuff
[04:25] <ogra> but as i said before, we dont ship the binary drivers anymore in dapper
[04:25] <Yagisan> no worries ogra - I took the time to repair my firewall - hence my logging out
[04:25] <ogra> and exporting /dev isnt possible... the files in there are magic files, you cant just export them via nfs
[04:26] <mhz> ogra: hi. Where can usually find jdub. 'whois' command report only his name but not #channel info :)
[04:26] <ogra> you could export /proc, but thats very ugly and i dont see how to do that in a secure way
[04:27] <mhz> Yagisan: are you trying to make ubuntu look like gentoo?
[04:27] <ogra> mhz, he's in -devel but on australian timezone, so he might be sleeping (not everybody is as crazy as Yagisan *g*)
[04:27] <mhz> hehehehe
[04:27] <mhz> indeed
[04:28] <Yagisan> pff - I'm not crazy - I'm "gifted"
[04:28] <ogra> heh
[04:28] <mhz> ogra: is not that Yagisan is crazy, it's just that new babies (not girlfriends) usually dont let you sleep
[04:28] <mhz> Yagisan: hehehhe
[04:28] <ogra> its the same with new girlfriends imho ;)
[04:28] <mhz> lol!
[04:28] <mhz> ogra: you can tell
[04:29] <ogra> (not that i had one the last 5 years ... and i dont plan to ;) )
[04:29] <zakame> hah
[04:29] <zakame> a
[04:30] <mhz> he can keep low profile
[04:30] <ogra> heh
[04:31] <Yagisan> mhz: why do you think I'm trying to make ubuntu look like gentoo ?
[04:32] <mhz> Yagisan: why you need binaires?
[04:32] <mhz> Yagisan: why you need binaires shipped?
[04:32] <ogra> mhz, for openGL
[04:32] <Yagisan> mhz: OpenGL
[04:32] <mhz> duh!
[04:32] <mhz> and why should they be shipped?
[04:32] <Yagisan> For my system I need dri, and nvidia
[04:32] <ogra> but they eat a hilarious amount of memory, so we wont ship them
[04:32] <Yagisan> s/system/systems
[04:33] <ogra> its described ps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientMemoryUsage spec
[04:33] <ogra> hmm... EKBD
[04:33] <ogra> its described on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientMemoryUsage spec
[04:34] <mhz> ogra: EKBD=EdubuntuKeyBoard?
[04:34] <ogra> Keyboard Error
[04:34] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <mhz> ahh
[04:35] <Yagisan> ogra: shouldn't the X11 server (on the thin client) already have access to the magic files in /dev ?
[04:35] <ogra> Yagisan, on the client, yes
[04:35] <ogra> but yur apps still run on the server and need direct access to the device for OGL
[04:36] <ogra> feel free to make a howto if you have a working setup ;)
[04:36] <ogra> we can think about it for dapper+1
[04:36] <Yagisan> ogra: If I understand the glx extension properly, shouldn't that encapsulate the opengl commands and ship the to the thin client ?
[04:37] <Yagisan> s/ship the/ship them/
[04:37] <ogra> i dont know exactly to be honest
[04:37] <ogra> and its not in my focus for this release
[04:37] <mhz> Yagisan: if you do make a howto, please consider wiking it and ommiting "by author" :)
[04:38] <Yagisan> mhz: first I need to beat it into submission
[04:39] <mhz> hehehe
[04:39] <ogra> Yagisan, i think you'll run into ssh issues with it sshd sets the DISPLAY to localhost:10.0
[04:39] <ogra> (on the server)
[04:42] <Yagisan> what was the link for the ubuntu pastebin ?
[04:44] <Yagisan> ogra: what sort of ssh issues would I be looking at ?
[04:45] <ogra> sshd runs local and sets the DISPLAY to localhost:10.0 and then exports the datastream... there is no "real" X forwarding going on here
[04:47] <Yagisan> ah, that would explain "name of display: localhost:10.0" in glxinfo
[04:49] <ogra> yup
[04:49] <ogra> and the slowness you see
[04:51] <Yagisan> k, this is glxinfo on the client http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/629
[04:51] <Yagisan> and this is breezy on the same box http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/630
[05:55] <juliux> hi Seveas
[05:56] <Seveas> hi
[05:57] <juliux> hi mhz
[05:57] <mhz> re
[05:57] <mhz> hi
[05:57] <mhz> I saw your emails, thx
[05:57] <juliux> mhz, ok
[05:57] <juliux> mhz, the first e-mail i have allready replayed
[05:58] <mhz> :)
[05:58] <juliux> mhz, you can say that it was your idea
[05:58] <juliux> mhz, are you a good gimp user?
[05:59] <mhz> nope, that's the point. I usually participate with designers and discuss ideas, layouts, etc. Even, sometimes I draw them on paper so they can make it SVG or other files.
[05:59] <mhz> juliux: nope
[05:59] <mhz> terrible
[05:59] <juliux> mhz, me too
[05:59] <mhz> hehehe
[05:59] <mhz> I can change texts thou
[05:59] <mhz> :D
[05:59] <juliux> mhz, but i have to design ubuntu dvd labes
[05:59] <mhz> np
[05:59] <mhz> you'll have them
[06:00] <juliux> mhz, the problem is that jane, not janeW has the ubuntu labels only as an eps file
[06:01] <juliux> mhz, and with eps you only have one layer
[06:02] <mhz> juliux: that's what I also complained few weeks ago. NON free formats
[06:03] <juliux> mhz, i would like it if there is a svg
[06:03] <juliux> mhz, so can make every thing you want with the file
[06:03] <mhz> I personally have no issues if they want to create non-free files, but they must AT least start with a free format first.
[06:04] <mhz> otherwise, I can think that Ubuntu uses M$ machines to generate their work
[06:04] <mhz> juliux: you will have them on SVG
[06:04] <Yagisan> eps == postscript
[06:04] <mhz> at least if Pablo and I are working
[06:05] <juliux> Yagisan, yes that is the problem
[06:05] <juliux> mhz, i want to work on it with inkscape
[06:05] <mhz> Yagisan: I saw Illustrator files
[06:05] <juliux> mhz, because inkscape rocks
[06:05] <mhz> yup, indeed
[06:05] <mhz> Yagisan: you otta be sleeping!
[06:06] <Yagisan> getting ready for bed now
[06:06] <mhz> .oO(Yagisan is "gifted")
[06:06] <mhz> :D
[06:06] <Yagisan> what's the issue with eps - the single layer ?
[06:06] <mhz> dont know, ask juliux
[06:07] <mhz> Yagisan: multilayers can offer many options
[06:07] <juliux> Yagisan, yes the single layeer
[06:08] <juliux> Yagisan, you cant change the text on the picture
[06:08] <Yagisan> ok - I exported my business card designs to eps before sending them to the printer
[06:09] <Yagisan> not really a good choice until the artwork is finished
[06:09] <juliux> Yagisan, yes
[06:10] <mhz> indeed
[06:11] <juliux> Yagisan, an eps file you cann't change
[06:11] <mhz> hhhhmmmm, i guess there's a way to change eps files (eps tools or something from command line)
[06:11] <juliux> yes to pdf
[06:12] <Yagisan> juliux: gimp works with eps
[06:13] <Yagisan> juliux: I can vandalise my eps files easily with it
[06:13] <juliux> Yagisan, i know that but you cann't change the text
[06:13] <juliux> Yagisan, you have to remove the text and make it than new
[06:14] <Yagisan> juliux: yep - but if that is your source - you need to do it anyway ...
[06:15] <juliux> Yagisan, yes and that is the problem
[06:15] <juliux> Yagisan, mhz and I want to have the labels as svg or something differen
[06:16] <mhz> and we will!
[06:17] <juliux> yes sorry we wannt
[06:17] <mhz> juliux: you have that eps source for DVd's?
[06:17] <juliux> want
[06:17] <juliux> mhz, no
[06:17] <juliux> mhz, there is only the source for vd
[06:17] <juliux> cd
[06:17] <mhz> can you show me the url?
[06:18] <juliux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[06:18] <juliux> there stand  Download the artwork for CD faces, for as source for pressed CDs or labels.
[06:18] <Yagisan> import - save as <format choice> - manually redo label - shoot person that lost originals - enjoy cold beverage of choice ;)
[06:19] <mhz> ??????
[06:19] <mhz> less sleping is affecting ya
[06:19] <mhz> m8
[06:20] <mhz> sorry
[06:20] <mhz> gifted m8
[06:20] <Yagisan> I thought your issue was you have .eps and you want .svg ?
[06:24] <mhz> well, that too
[06:24] <mhz> :)
[06:28] <Yagisan> night all
[06:29] <juliux> mhz, do you see it?
[06:29] <mhz> yup
[06:35] <juliux> mhz, thanks
[06:36] <mhz> juliux: SVG's for DVD's and 'easy to change texts' way can bre ready by 19:00
[06:37] <mhz> not it's 14:30
[06:37] <juliux> mhz, that would be great
[06:37] <juliux> mhz, do you have it as svg?
[06:37] <juliux> mhz, ubuntu or edubuntu
[06:37] <mhz> the SVG's we did and ulpaded had traced "texts" meaning they cannot be changed (mainly for printing purposes so they keep fonts)
[06:38] <mhz> yup
[06:38] <mhz> I do have them and uploaded
[06:38] <mhz> however, you'll only be able to change colours not texts :(
[06:38] <mhz> so, this next 'release'
[06:38] <mhz> will have both:
[06:39] <mhz> a) SVG without tracing, risking you will not see same fonts when printing
[06:39] <mhz> b) SVG traced texts, so you change background colors and add own texts
[06:40] <mhz> (but not change default texts) :(
[06:40] <mhz> juliux: see the diff?
[06:40] <juliux> mhz, not realy
[06:42] <mhz> ok, i'll try to explain clearer
[06:43] <mhz> hmm.. SVG files are very cool to work with. However, when we use texts on them, these texts may suffer font changes depending on who is opening the files (if you have support for such fonts)
[06:44] <mhz> so if we upload only SVG file with no "text treatment", such as "tracing", the way I see the file (very cool) and the way you actually see it when you open it, may be very different
[06:44] <mhz> juliux: understand that part?
[06:44] <juliux> yes
[06:44] <mhz> cool
[06:44] <juliux> i understand
[06:44] <mhz> second part
[06:45] <mhz> ... Therefore, Pablo and I will upload 2 versions of same work
[06:45] <mhz> One version with text treatment so any user can play with colors and adding or deleting stuff
[06:45] <mhz> BUT as text will be "traced" he will not be able to change the contents
[06:46] <mhz> the Second version will have no "text treatment"
[06:47] <mhz> and so, any user will be able to do as he whishes knowing that we are not responsible if the final output is not exactly as it looks in the PNG we uploaded
[06:47] <mhz> juliux: understand that part?
[06:47] <juliux> mhz, yes not it is clear
[06:47] <mhz> notor now?
[06:47] <juliux> notor?
[06:47] <mhz> not or now?
[06:47] <mhz> hehe,we suck
[06:47] <mhz> :lollol
[06:47] <juliux> now
[06:47] <mhz> aaah
[06:47] <mhz> ok
[06:48] <juliux> ok so if you have the right fonts you can play with the text
[06:48] <juliux> but why we use nonfree fonts?
[06:48] <mhz> should be possible, yes
[06:48] <mhz> not non free. we can use any font
[06:49] <mhz> we are trying to make CD's look just like official Ubuntu CD's
[06:49] <mhz> and we still can't figure out the exact cd breezy is using for label and case texts
[06:49] <mhz> exact font, i meant
[06:52] <juliux> ok
[06:52] <juliux> mhz, i have no problem with an other font
[06:53] <juliux> but the total design should look like the official
[06:53] <mhz> that is what we try
[06:54] <juliux> cool
[06:54] <juliux> that is very good
[07:24] <mhz> * [mdke]  (n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke): Matthew East
[07:24] <mhz> * [mdke]  irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[07:24] <mhz> * [mdke]  is away (not here)
[07:24] <mhz> * [mdke]  is identified to services
[07:24] <mhz> * [mdke]  End of WHOIS list.
[07:24] <mhz> * mako :No such nick/channel
[07:24] <mhz> * [jdub]  (n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au): Jeff Waugh
[07:24] <mhz> * [jdub]  irc.freenode.net :http://freenode.net/
[07:24] <mhz> * [jdub]  is identified to services
[07:24] <mhz> * [jdub]  End of WHOIS list.
[07:25] <mhz> ogra: sorry, who is missing the vote? mako or mdke?
[07:25] <ogra> mhz, mako
[07:26] <mhz> ok, thx


[05:04] <_mup_> ensemble/config-state-manager r202 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:04] <_mup_> merge trunk
[05:06] <_mup_> ensemble/config-state-manager r203 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:06] <_mup_> resolve conflict with merge
[09:57] <_mup_> ensemble/config-state-manager r204 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:57] <_mup_> backport review fixes
[14:08] <niemeyer> Morning all
[16:21] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provisioning r218 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:21] <_mup_> Testing on exposed service watching
[16:22] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provisioning r219 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:22] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[16:29] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provisioning r220 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:29] <_mup_> Fix renaming of methods in dummy provider
[18:49] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-dummy-provider r212 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:49] <_mup_> Fixed up dummy tests (moved patch from downstream)
[18:49] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-dummy-provider r213 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:49] <_mup_> Merged trunk
[19:43] <_mup_> ensemble/config-state-manager r205 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:43] <_mup_> get_config api switch out
[20:48] <niemeyer_> So, ensemble.canonical.com should hopefully be live next week
[21:14] <_mup_> Bug #773600 was filed: Hook scheduler should have on disk persistence <Ensemble:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/773600 >
[23:04] <_mup_> ensemble/expose-provisioning r221 committed by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:04] <_mup_> Stop watch on service units once a service is unexposed


[00:37] <Unit193> * Move laptop-detect from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin - Wed, 08 Mar 2017 00:59:54 +0100
[01:03] <Unit193> Debian #894481
[04:00] <Unit193> https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk-theme-config/news/20180331T035526Z.html
[07:55] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: tumbler 0.2.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-tumbler-0-2-1-released-tp50878.html (by Ali Abdallah-4)
[08:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: tumbler 0.1.33 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-tumbler-0-1-33-released-tp50879.html (by Ali Abdallah-4)
[09:27] <flocculant> if I didn't know that our iso was suffering from this bluetooth issue - I would just assume that I can't install xubuntu and would go looking for something that worked :(
[09:36] <flocculant> willem: thanks :)
[10:52] <willem> flocculant, ?? I don't think I complained about bluetooth lately; but then again I'm old and may have forgotten I did...
[11:34] <willem> hmm, i did: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1490349, but that was quite some time back
[11:43] <flocculant> willem: we have one at the moment that leads to a 75s timeout in I assume anything with no bluetooth
[11:47] <willem> I read about that one
[11:47] <willem> I think I did report the slow boot after first install
[12:08] <flocculant> willem: also - the thanks were for the reply to the testing soon e-mail ;)
[12:09] <willem> ah, right! I didn't realize that.
[12:09] <flocculant> I only just did when I read you again :p
[12:09] <willem> All I saw was your line about bluetooth and thanking me
[12:11] <willem> I hope my e-mail helps, though.
[12:15] <flocculant> yep - always useful to get comments like that from 'normal' testers :)
[12:16] <willem> Never been called normal before
[12:16] <flocculant> :D
[12:16] <willem> makes a change I guess ;-)
[12:17] <flocculant> I've not talked to you for quite long enough to tar you with the 'crazy people who test things' brush yet lol
[12:18] <flocculant> if you're still putting up with us mid- Cantankerous Cicada cycle - I'll call you crazy :)
[12:24] <willem> I'll try to live up to your expectations, then
[12:28] <flocculant> :)
[12:42] <ali1234> funnily enough i read that bug yesterday
[12:43] <ali1234> apparently it is not a bug
[13:34] <ali1234> flocculant: i wish to complain
[13:34] <ali1234> the iso tracker tests ask me to verify that "The slideshow is entirely in your language"
[13:35] <ali1234> but the xubuntu slideshow has that slide with "hello" written in all different languages
[13:35] <ali1234> therefore i have to fail it :)
[13:39] <willem> ali1234, :-) I was tempted to do the same first time I came across that slide ;-)
[13:56] <TJ-> Anyone know of a better channel to catch hold of devs that understand the light-locker<>lightdm interactions ?
[15:03] <bluesabre> TJ-: #lightdm would probably be best. The maintainer of light-locker comes and goes at #xfce-dev
[15:03] <TJ-> thanks.
[15:04] <TJ-> I'm sticking in some gs_debug() now to try to trace the lid-closed suspend/resume path
[16:14] <TJ-> Looks like the lid-closed>suspend>resume>blank-user-session-vt is a timing issue; with a few debug options and light-locker --debug >/tmp/log I cannot reproduce it
[16:41] <TJ-> Getting more interesting. Even without --debug enabled, my local build of light-locker (with embedded gs_debug() statements) will not fail, but the system's version will. So I've got 3 possible diffs: 1) my 5 gs_debug() statements 2) my binary isn't stripped 3) pssobitl different build options
[16:43] <TJ-> And just found another data-point that is a workaround. When the blank user VT is present, connecting charger (PM not set to suspend when lid-closed on AC) and then closing and re-opening lid, the VT is active and visible again
[19:30] <ali1234> good news: tumblerd's exif orientation code is not broken, it's my images :)
[19:31] <ali1234> and also imagemagick is partly to blame


[17:26] <jmatthies> I have an odd issue with 1.12.1-0ubuntu4.2 on Ubuntu 14.04.  It may be a kernel issue, as the 5 out of 27 boxes that have this issue are 3.13.0-96 #143.  The setuid stanza is not working for LDAP users, but works for a local user.  We can't readily update the kernels, so I was trying to find something concrete to indicate what the exactl problem is.


[16:42] <pleia2> doctormo: we should like, re-ignite writing courses here someday
[16:43] <pleia2> we're just going to put them all in open office!
[16:43] <doctormo> pleia2: Ahem, libre office
[16:43] <doctormo> Who knows, libre office might be able to improve enough to do that.
[16:43] <pleia2> well, whatever :)
[16:43] <doctormo> lol
[16:44] <pleia2> being stuck on mallard vs docbook vs asciidoc vs crayons on paper is sad
[16:44] <doctormo> But yes I agree, we should start with taking openweek logs and writing them into classes.
[16:44]  * pleia2 nods


[12:15] <LarstiQ> hmm, it's fairly unstable through level3
[12:18] <LarstiQ> feh, rebooting my openwrt took care of that
[12:18] <LarstiQ> LeeJunFan: I'm not aware of anyone raising such an issue before
[12:18] <LeeJunFan> from here it looks like latency doubles on cogent's net.
[12:19] <Fujitsu> I get 200ms latency on the first Level3 hop, before that it's <10ms.
[12:19] <LeeJunFan>  7  p6-0.core01.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)  45.283 ms  51.565 ms  55.448 ms
[12:19] <LeeJunFan>  8  p3-0.core01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)  248.878 ms  144.355 ms  199.254 ms
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> sounds similar to that.
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> doesn't make sense to me though to increase 200ms on the same carrier network unless they've got issues.
[12:20] <elmo> LeeJunFan: umm, that's Boston to London
[12:21] <elmo> which is a not insubstantial amount of miles.  granted 200ms is more than it should be, but it's also not completely out of the ball park
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> ah, heh. Why london for us archive I wonder?
[12:21] <elmo> anyway, yes, we're having network issues, we're working with our ISP to resolve them
[12:22] <elmo> LeeJunFan: because normally it's better than any of our US mirrors
[12:22] <Fujitsu> elmo: Is this why LP has been dismally slow lately?
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> elmo: okay, thanks.
[12:30] <elmo> Fujitsu: no
[12:30] <elmo> Fujitsu: non-bulk traffic, which includes Launchpad, was only affected for about 30 mins max, several hours ago
[12:30] <Fujitsu> elmo, oh, darn.
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> Fujitsu: oh darn it wasn't affected longer? :)
[12:31] <LarstiQ> oh darn it doesn't explain the slowdown
[12:31] <Fujitsu> LarstiQ, that's it.
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> LarstiQ: I know - was a joke.
[12:32] <LarstiQ> LeeJunFan: oh darn :)
[12:32] <Fujitsu> >30 seconds to load a list of 10 package bugs isn't ideal.
[12:32] <elmo> Fujitsu: example URL?
[12:33] <Fujitsu> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/+bugs takes 20-25 seconds to load here at the moment.
[12:33] <Fujitsu> (I have minimal issues with other international sites)
[12:34] <LarstiQ> looks like 3 seconds for me
[12:34] <elmo> Fujitsu: what's your BW?
[12:34] <elmo> Fujitsu: e.g. how much can you get from wget -O /dev/null http://gb.releases.ubuntu.com/edgy/ubuntu-desktop-i386.iso
[12:36] <Fujitsu> I regularly get 1.1MBps to Australian sites.
[12:36] <Fujitsu> Normally about 100KBps for archive.ubuntu.com
[12:37] <Fujitsu> (that's a 404, but I've corrected it)
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Seems to be about 60KB/s
[12:37] <elmo> I was typing from memory
[12:37] <Fujitsu> Now 50.
[12:43] <elmo> Fujitsu: ok, so you just have very bad BW to the UK, the speed problem's not actually intrinsic to launchpad
[12:45] <Fujitsu> OK :(
[12:48] <Fujitsu> I get ~300KBps to se.releases.ubuntu.com, and a number of other European sites, so it seems to basically just be the UK
[12:53] <elmo> fujitsu: try http://durville.ubuntu.com/releases/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso for me?
[12:54] <Fujitsu> 600K and rising
[12:55] <elmo> blink
[12:55] <elmo> that's the LP link
[12:55] <Fujitsu> How very strange.
[12:57] <daviey> Is there any reason karma doesn't update immediately?
[01:03] <LarstiQ> daviey: it's expensive to calculate
[01:04] <daviey> LarstiQ, lets donate ;)
[01:47] <ddaa> elmo: somebody is sucking up all of lanchpad?
[01:54] <LarstiQ> ddaa: I'm not sure if you would, but perhaps you also enjoy reading http://www.fixedearth.com/
[01:57] <ddaa> HFG!
[01:57] <ddaa> I'd be curious to see how they refute Foucault's pendulum...
[01:57] <ddaa> LarstiQ: ever seen one?
[01:58] <Fujitsu> LarstiQ: Haha.
[01:58] <LarstiQ> ddaa: no, but I'm familiar with the experiment.
[01:58] <LarstiQ> ddaa: the site design reminds me of timecube, another favorite
[01:58] <ddaa> LarstiQ: there's a museum in Paris where you can see one
[01:59] <ddaa> it's quite hypnotic, and _does_ turn around perceptibly...
[02:00] <LarstiQ> if I ever do visit Paris, I should go see that.
[02:00] <LarstiQ> And I really need to read the book too.
[02:02] <ddaa> If I recall correctly, it's the "Muse des Arts et Mtiers"
[02:03] <ddaa> yup: http://visite.artsetmetiers.free.fr/pendule_musee.html
[02:05] <jam> ddaa: "Foucault's pendulum" Is that the one that you can keep the time of day?
[02:05] <jam> IIRC, in the Museum of Science and Industry here is Chicago, they have a pendulum set up in one of the staircases
[02:05] <jam> that tells you what time it is
[02:05] <ddaa> jam: not really, unless it's placed on a geographic pole :)
[02:06] <jam> but I might have misunderstood how they were doing it
[02:06] <ddaa> The one in Paris does a complete revolution in 31 h 47 min.
[02:07] <ddaa> it's a function of the latitude
[02:14] <LaserJock> LP is offline?
[02:15] <ddaa> works here
[02:15] <ddaa> mh... beta is down
[02:15] <LaserJock> yeah, I was on beta, but regular LP works
[02:16] <ddaa> that's weird
[02:17] <ddaa> mh... wait a min...
[02:17] <ddaa> it should be the automatic rollout going on
[02:17] <LaserJock> ah
[02:19] <ddaa> LarstiQ: though I try, I find the entertainment value of this site quite limited
[02:20] <ddaa> how can anybody with so little taste in colors be trusted to have judgment in science? I ask you!
[02:21] <ddaa> apparently it's a bunch of fundamentalists who discovered that the history of science is full of errors, arguments, and political issues...
[02:22] <LaserJock> colors? the font changes are what's killing me
[02:23] <ddaa> then you must be color blind, the pain of the font changes is drowned in the LSD tripness of the colors...
[02:26] <LarstiQ> bah, lwn.net text is far too stable
[02:26] <ddaa> yeah, but it feature actual humor
[02:27] <ddaa> How can that not bring a smile to the face of any linux geek? "There is, beyond doubt, some X resource which can be employed to change that font, but your editor, it must be said, has not found messing around with X resources cool for some years now."
[02:44] <LarstiQ> hehe
[03:55] <lotusleaf> I have a launchpad account and have edited the kubuntu+ubuntu wikis a tiny bit in the past, but made a mistake and deleted my wiki portion account somehow so I can't login in either ubuntu or kubuntu wikis but I can login in launchpad
[03:55] <lotusleaf> how may I remedy this please? :-)
[04:03] <lotusleaf> it says I'm already logged into launchpad but it gives a wrong password message on the wiki, so using the option to send myself my lp password wouldn't do it
[07:24] <Fujitsu> Hi, is there a reason that beta is down?
[07:24] <Fujitsu> And is it deliberate that the publisher seems to not be running?
[02:35] <Gwaihir> Ng: can I bother?
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85868 in malone "xorg does not recognize 1440x900 screens of toshiba laptops. A nightmare for newbies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85868
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85869 in malone "No sound in laptops with Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85869


[00:12] <Takyoji> Is there any further information that I should (and am able to) disclose for this bug report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/604192
[00:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 604192 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Screen goes blank and flashes vertical stripes on 1s interval (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[00:38] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Rock on, dude, thanks!  We've been publically targetting xserver 1.9 since UDS, and it looks like it's going to be in a better state than 1.8 anyway.
[00:39] <RAOF> Takyoji: An i845 chip?  Dear lord, I'm surprised it works at all :/
[00:40] <RAOF> Takyoji: If you're prepared to do a bunch of work, though, that bug looks like it would be amenable to a regression analysis via bisection.
[00:44] <Takyoji> out of curiosity, how would it not be able to work? :P
[00:45] <Takyoji> also, is there any specific guide(s) available for regression analysis?
[00:50] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:51] <RAOF> I'm not sure if we've got a bisection howto page on the wiki.  Let me check.
[00:51] <RAOF> Takyoji: The basic principle would be to: (a) Check which component is broken (options here are xserver-xorg-video-intel, the kernel, mesa, or libdrm).
[00:52] <RAOF> (b) Check out the git source of that component, and run "git bisect" to rebuild it at different points between 9.10 and 10.04 to work out precisely when it broke.
[01:04] <RAOF> Takyoji: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bisecting is a bit of an overview; there's also the bisecting mesa page linked from there.
[01:05] <Takyoji> ahh, alrighty
[01:07] <Takyoji> So I don't even have to overlook the source code then; just simply find what exact revision broke it?
[01:09] <RAOF> Right.
[01:09] <RAOF> You can do that without needing to know anything about the source.
[01:10] <RAOF> First off, though, you need to know which component broke, so you'll want to try each of the 9.10 components in 10.04, one at a time.
[01:16] <Takyoji> So first I have to verify which component it even is, before going through bisecting, correct?
[01:35] <RAOF> Takyoji: Yes.  Because you need to be able to identify a good point and a bad point in the same source.
[01:40] <RAOF> Then you can run a bisection over that git history.  If you don't have a good *and* a bad point in the same git source then you can't checkout the commit half way between, work out whether it's good or bad, and then repeat.
[09:31] <RAOF> Alright ladies and gentlemen!  Let your i8xx gpus feast on the joy that is https://edge.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive/aubergine
[09:39] <RAOF> Everyone *else* who feels like a test could ensure that it doesn't break your working Intel GPU.
[09:41] <Duke`> what's the difference with xorg-edgers?
[09:44] <RAOF> The re-introduction of a legacy, non-GEM UMS codepath.
[09:45] <RAOF> ie: work around the various longstanding breakages on i8xx cards which were caused by assuming various bits of the hardware actually worked by not using it.
[10:31] <bryyce> \o/
[11:37] <vish> do we install the nvidia-settings package by default for all nvidia users?
[11:46] <tseliot> vish: the nvidia packages recommend nvidia-settings
[11:47] <tseliot> it's treated as a dependency
[11:47] <vish> tseliot: ah ok , thanks
[11:48] <tseliot> vish: BTW did the gtk guys reply to your request to integrate my patch for that papercut now that we know that Orca would work fine?
[11:49] <vish> tseliot: yeah , i'll have to poke ebassi again today..
[11:49] <tseliot> vish: ah, good
[11:49] <vish> he was the one who requested review from accessibility folks
[11:50] <tseliot> ok, let's see if he decides to include the patch now or if he has further requests
[16:17] <scar_> what's the most stable 2.6.35 kernel? I've tried the one that comes with mavrick alpha2 and I've tried lucid with linux-image-2.6.35-7-generic-pae. I know this is bit off topic but I'm trying to test xorg-edgers' nouveau driver so I need a 2.6.35 kernel


[00:24] <excid3|mbp> hey
[00:26] <cyberanger> hey
[00:26] <cyberanger> what's up excid3|mbp
[00:28] <excid3|mbp> not a whole lot
[00:28] <excid3|mbp> you?
[00:29] <cyberanger> enough
[00:29] <cyberanger> not too busy, not too bored
[00:46] <wrst> hey excid3|mbp, cyberanger
[00:47] <excid3|mbp> thats a good middleground
[00:50] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[00:50] <cyberanger> excid3|mbp: when it holds
[00:50] <cyberanger> it is
[03:04] <cyberanger> hey techMiles
[03:07] <techMiles> hey thar.
[03:07] <techMiles> wassap?
[03:08] <cyberanger> not alot, doing some hacking
[03:08] <cyberanger> alot of code to rewrite
[03:08] <techMiles> yeah.
[03:08] <techMiles> am doing excel work, here.
[03:08] <techMiles> class. but love excel. :D
[03:08] <cyberanger> ouch
[03:09] <cyberanger> openoffice calc isn't good enough?
[03:09] <techMiles> the class requires excel
[03:09] <techMiles> and it does have a lot of functions that Ooo doesn't quite match yet
[03:10] <cyberanger> well, I do remeber those days, in high school (didn't need any office course, assumed if you were IT, you knew it enough as is)
[03:11] <cyberanger> and they can be different, I still did the work in oo.o (trying to get the school to switch, did that work twice)
[03:54] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[03:58] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[13:08] <wrst> cyberanger: you are showing away have you changed clients?
[14:45] <vychune> morning
[14:47] <Xpistos> morning all
[14:48] <wrst> morning Xpistos, vychune
[14:48] <vychune> how are yall
[14:48] <wrst> good
[15:23] <chibihogoshino> today is manga day
[15:50] <wrst> hey chibihogoshino
[15:50] <wrst> i was at a sherwin williams paint store last night and they run linux
[15:50] <vychune> for real?!?!?
[15:50] <vychune> oh and lowe's run linux
[15:51] <wrst> yes they run suse enterprise linux
[15:51] <wrst> vychune: http://www.novell.com/news/press/2008/12/sherwin-williams-standardizes-its-retail-stores-on-suse-linux-enterprise-from-novell.html
[15:51] <wrst> looked like the same desktop almost that lowes uses
[15:52] <vychune> oh cool
[15:52] <wrst> yes that was very cool
[16:00] <Xpistos> Hey the guys at my network released a new podcast yesterday call The Memory Leak
[16:00] <Xpistos> http://thememoryleak.com
[16:26] <wrst> cool Xpistos, hello chibihogoshino
[16:26] <Xpistos> hey wrst
[16:32] <vychune> brb
[16:41] <netritious> morning locotn
[16:43] <wrst> morning netritious
[16:44] <netritious> how's it going wrst?
[16:44] <wrst> pretty good turning into a nice humpday
[16:44] <netritious> good to hear wrst
[16:45] <wrst> yeah how are you doing netritious?
[16:45] <netritious> oh stuck on a little problem with vncserver and gdm
[16:46] <netritious> daughter on the way home since schools are closing (again)
[16:49] <wrst> my wife is on the way also due to snow :)
[16:49] <wrst> netritious: VNC and gdm sounds interesting
[16:56] <netritious> from what I recall from 2 am this morning...
[16:57] <netritious> sudo apt-get install vncserver (or maybe vnc-server?)
[16:57] <netritious> vncpasswd ~/.vnc/passwd
[16:58] <netritious> vncserver :1
[16:58] <wrst> i have never tried to get it to work from GDM netritious, i've always just enabled the sharing through the preferences
[16:58] <wrst> menu
[16:59] <netritious> I should have clarified...
[16:59] <netritious> gdm is starting
[16:59] <wrst> i'm curious how all that will work for you
[16:59] <netritious> but not my custom UNR install/session
[17:00] <netritious> well first I disabled gdm from starting up automatically
[17:00] <wrst> ahh
[17:01] <netritious> what's happening basically is that the netbook mods (maximus,clutter) are not being started as part of the gdm session
[17:01] <netritious> when I connect with vncserver
[17:01] <wrst> ahh i see, oh yeah 10.04 uses clutter i forget about that
[17:01] <wrst> or 10.10 does too i think
[17:02] <netritious> to be perfectly honest I don't understand all the mechanics of it right now, but I'm working on it
[17:03] <wrst> i have never really messed with clutter
[17:03] <netritious> after I finish this have to work on setting up ssh tunnels for the vncserver
[17:03] <wrst> i just know on my desktop it didn't work so well, but not made for it
[17:03] <netritious> clutter is cool...i dig it
[17:04] <netritious> using as server interface atm
[17:04] <wrst> ahh
[17:04] <netritious> setting up as server interface anyway...
[17:04] <netritious> but it's all good..
[17:04] <wrst> well if cyberanger were here he would remind that a gui for a server is for sissies ;)
[17:05] <netritious> when the server boots, gdm doesn't start
[17:05] <wrst> but you want it to correct?
[17:05] <netritious> well I'm keeping it down to as minimal as I can
[17:06] <netritious> no multimedia, plain vanilla document viewer, lvm and virt manager, etc
[17:06] <netritious> and starts at runlevel 3
[17:06] <netritious> via /etc/init/gdm.conf
[17:07] <wrst> hmm ok i found  a little do but starts it at 2
[17:08] <wrst> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1187346
[17:09] <netritious> I used sysv-rc-conf, but upstart is where it's at
[17:09] <netritious> *I've used sysv-rc-init
[17:09] <netritious> argh
[17:09] <netritious> *I've used sysv-rc-conf
[17:10] <wrst> hmm one think i like about arch, all that is in /etc/rc.conf add gdm to the daemons line and you are done
[17:10] <wrst> *thing
[17:10] <netritious> nice
[17:10] <wrst> but don't think i would want bleeding edge for my server ;)
[17:10] <netritious> hehe
[17:11] <wrst> that woudl be scary , i'm running 10.04 at home still and it is wonderful
[17:11] <netritious> +1
[17:11] <wrst> and i say "still" its not even a year old from its original release
[17:13] <Xpistos> Hey should I upgrade to 10.10 and then 11.04 or should I just wait?
[17:14] <wrst> Xpistos: you will have to go that route if you are upgradeing from 10.04 to get to 11.04
[17:14] <wrst> but the difference in 10.10 and 10.04 is near minimal and i think 10.04 is better in my mind
[17:14] <Xpistos> I never upgrade
[17:15] <Xpistos> only fresh installs
[17:15] <wrst> oh gotcha
[17:15] <Xpistos> I have always had problems with upgrades
[17:15] <wrst> i would just wait then i don't think there is that much of a difference to me, i am running 10.10 right now
[17:16] <netritious> Xpistos: me to
[17:16] <netritious> and not always the same problem
[17:16] <wrst> Xpistos: i have had reasonable success with them
[17:16] <wrst> LTS to LTS upgrades always seem to work much better for me
[17:16] <netritious> they go about as well as a Windows upgrade for me :D
[17:17] <wrst> oh netritious i remember a win 98 to ME upgrade :\
[17:17] <netritious> terrible days for admins
[17:18] <netritious> heck terrible days for anyone using that stuff
[17:18] <Xpistos> lol
[17:18] <wrst> yeah that was horrible
[17:19] <wrst> netritious: i ordered some RAM finally for that vista machine i was quizzing you about a few weeks ago the one with the dirty heat sink
[17:19] <netritious> 98 SE ran somewhat solid if you were careful enough, but when 2k hit the market I never looked back
[17:19] <Xpistos> so wait for 11.04 then?
[17:20] <Xpistos> Hey, is there a windows program to convernt XML into readable files
[17:20] <wrst> Xpistos: i don't know about 11.04 if its gotta go i would really stick with 10.04, i'm trying out 11.04 now
[17:20] <wrst> err natty
[17:20] <Xpistos> Like a spreadsheet or something
[17:20] <netritious> if there aren't many changes from 10.04 to 10.10 yeah why not wait
[17:21] <netritious> hm...can you just import the xml file into a spreadsheet? it is 2011 for crying out loud
[17:21] <Xpistos> My install has been wonky for the last few weeks and I am way overdue for a reinstall anyway
[17:21] <netritious> I'm saying spreadsheets should support xml by now, but never actually tried importing
[17:22] <wrst> Xpistos: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/?ca=dgr-lnxw16XSLT-OOo
[17:22] <wrst> that looks a little complicated, i'm with netritious looks like it should just do it
[17:22] <netritious> omgoodness xlst lol
[17:23] <netritious> yeah, it should wrst
[17:23] <netritious> xlst is a PITA to get your head wrapped around, kinda like regular expressions (xlst and regexp are nothing alike though)
[17:24] <netritious> the syntax is uber weird
[17:24] <Xpistos> wrst: nah that is too complicated for me
[17:24] <wrst> looked too complicated for me too Xpistos :)
[17:25] <netritious> Xpistos:
[17:25] <netritious> depending on the XML file I have an old php5 function that I might be able to tweak to transform to csv
[17:26] <netritious> or if you know php you can hack at it
[17:27] <Xpistos> i don't
[17:27] <Xpistos> uet
[17:27] <Xpistos> yet
[17:28] <netritious> http://pastebin.com/x1Pgnr1D
[17:29] <netritious> examples at the bottom
[17:58] <cyberanger> wrst: all clients can set away, some don't show the status as nicely as others
[17:59] <wrst> this i know cyberanger i have never seen yours do that before
[17:59] <wrst> i thougth maybe you had moved over to using quassel
[18:00] <cyberanger> and why would I remind netritious gui is for sissies, your doing that for me ;-)
[18:00] <wrst> ha well thought since you were gone cyberanger.... but i will never call netritious a sissy
[18:01] <cyberanger> no, it's just rare I remember to set away on more than one network (bitlbee)
[18:01] <wrst> ahh well me too
[18:02]  * wrst wonders why the cronjob of setting his clock has not been working
[18:03] <cyberanger> what's the entry look like
[18:03] <wrst> ha well i don't have an entry cyberanger, that's why!
[18:03] <wrst> must have done that before i had to reinstall
[18:03] <cyberanger> and how do you set that in  a gui?
[18:03] <cyberanger> well, that would do it
[18:04] <wrst> ok i have it set now hopefully that will keep me up to date after 34 days i was behind 4 minutes
[18:06] <cyberanger> wrst: are you using ntpdate (sounds like it
[18:06] <cyberanger> )
[18:07] <wrst> yes i am
[18:07] <wrst> is there a better option cyberanger?
[18:07] <cyberanger> ntpd
[18:08] <wrst> hmm didn't really think about there being an option :)
[18:09] <netritious> just bought the domain linux 4sissies.org
[18:10] <netritious> j/k :)
[18:13] <cyberanger> wrst: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime
[18:13] <cyberanger> netritious: that gets into your options, but ntp is really the best
[18:14] <netritious> cyberanger: you meant wrst I bet
[18:15] <cyberanger> yeah, I did, whopps
[18:16] <wrst> ha ha i got it thnks cyberanger :)
[18:16] <cyberanger> netritious: that domain, should it be a .com, blog about converting to linux
[18:17] <cyberanger> ( for dummies is already taken, after all ;-))
[18:19] <netritious> hehe
[18:23] <netritious> cyberanger: do you use vncserver/Xvnc?
[18:23] <cyberanger> ssh
[18:23] <netritious> lol, I know you use ssh
[18:24] <wrst> netritious: cyberanger is having to make up for past smart alicisms that he has missed today
[18:24] <netritious> everyone, raise your hand if you use ssh o/
[18:24] <cyberanger> well, with irssi, weechat, mutt, elinks, vlc (-I ncurses) rtorrent
[18:24] <cyberanger> what else do I need ;-)
[18:25] <netritious> reminds me of Mrs Slocum? saying "..and I'm unanimous in that!"
[18:25] <netritious> Are You Being Served
[18:25] <cyberanger> oh, why a nice tool to manage it, screen, maybe a volume app, alsamixer, and a network manager, wicd-curses ;-)
[18:26] <netritious> wicd wasn't for me
[18:26] <cyberanger> no need for vnc, with all that
[18:26] <netritious> oh I agree, but I like options
[18:26] <cyberanger> netritious: what did you try it on, what version, ncurses or gtk
[18:27] <netritious> gtk
[18:27] <cyberanger> hrm, no clue on version ?
[18:27] <netritious> whatever is in repos for 10.04
[18:28] <netritious> doesn't manage bridged networking, at least not that I could tell
[18:28] <cyberanger> what was the shortfall for you
[18:28] <netritious> ^
[18:28] <cyberanger> ah, yeah, bridged networking, dunno if network-manager can do that either though
[18:28] <netritious> that and it did not apply a configuration until after I logged in, which makes sense to some degree
[18:28] <netritious> with gdm/gnome and all
[18:29] <netritious> it doesn't
[18:29] <netritious> I manage it manually
[18:29] <netritious> /etc/network/interfaces
[18:29] <netritious> easy enough :)
[18:29] <cyberanger> yeah, and I think the config bit is probally a safe idea
[18:30] <netritious> yeah
[18:30] <cyberanger> esp since you have network passwords there, and can have an encrypted home
[18:30] <cyberanger> means it won't complain if you use the file from $HOME
[18:31] <netritious> I just created a menu link for "Network Interfaces" mapped to gksudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[18:31] <netritious> otherwise I use nano, can use vi is desperate
[18:31] <netritious> *if desperate
[18:32] <netritious> =not without a cheatsheet
[18:32] <netritious> I remember most of vi commands, but not enough sometimes lol
[18:32] <netritious> I always end up looking something up
[18:34] <netritious> anyways I like being able to start gdm/gnome from afar if needed OR create a one-time vnc session for gnome
[18:34] <cyberanger> vi isn't something I'm a fan of, luckily I don't need to be
[18:34] <netritious> the end goal is to tunnel it through ssh
[18:35] <wrst> cyberanger: i really don't understand vi and nano is so easy to use, is there any advantage to vi?
[18:36] <netritious> vi is available on any *nix
[18:36] <cyberanger> wrst: when it's already on the freebsd computers I've worked with, and nano's not
[18:36] <netritious> if you know vi you can get around on most if not all *nix
[18:36] <wrst> ok i understand that then :\
[18:36] <cyberanger> to compile or not to compile, that is the question
[18:36]  * wrst might need to learn how to use the confusing thing
[18:37] <cyberanger> wrst: or have a cheetsheet and a loaded gun nearby
[18:37] <wrst> yeah
[18:37] <cyberanger> (the gun is for the computer, useful tool to put it out of it's misery)
[18:39] <netritious> I never compile on linux unless I have to
[18:39] <cyberanger> netritious: and bsd?
[18:40] <netritious> I use ports :)
[18:40] <netritious> on pfsense I use pkg_add though
[18:40] <cyberanger> still compiling
[18:40] <netritious> but pfsense isn't exactly freebsd
[18:41] <netritious> pkg_add is for pre-compiled binaries
[18:41] <netritious> that you get form a package repo like using apt
[18:41] <netritious> *from
[18:43] <cyberanger> well, it's not freebsd being key
[18:43] <netritious> now that I think about it I guess you can pkg_add src lol
[18:44] <netritious> pkg_add is pkg_add on both freebsd and pfsense
[18:45]  * wrst 's head is spinning he just likes checking email and social networking sites from home
[18:45] <netritious> http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/Latest/
[18:47] <netritious> I'm really out of touch with freebsd other than pfsense implementation of it, which was originally based m0n0wall project, which uses PHP for the system init, which makes it "not really freebsd"
[18:48] <cyberanger> wrst: ouch, social networking, really :-?
[18:48] <netritious> hehe
[18:48] <cyberanger> (at least your using a secure os, compared to most)
[18:48] <wrst> no not really cyberanger
[18:48] <wrst> just being a punk
[18:49] <cyberanger> (at least your using a secure os, compared to most)
[18:49] <netritious> lol
[18:49] <wrst> cyberanger: i have actually been incorporating ubuntu a lot more here at work
[18:51] <cyberanger> cool
[18:51] <cyberanger> 95% or ...
[18:51] <wrst> yes especially printint to pdf, making pdf's scanning that type of thing
[18:51] <wrst> oh more like the 5% but...
[18:55]  * cyberanger wonders about wrst sometimes
[18:55] <wrst> i wonder about me sometimes cyberanger
[18:56] <netritious> Is it naive to think a modern OS is what makes a system secure or not?
[18:56] <cyberanger> intresting, it's easier to mess with a propitery document format with open souce tools
[18:56] <wrst> it is for me cyberanger, and go figure that out
[18:57] <cyberanger> netritious: depends, name a modern windows based OS ;-)
[18:57] <netritious> modern=release in the last 2 years lol
[18:58] <netritious> well, let's say 1-1.5 years
[18:58] <cyberanger> I think when kept up to date, continuously, and otherwise properly setup and maintained, yes
[18:58] <cyberanger> which means windows fails that on my markers
[18:58] <netritious> hehe
[18:58] <wrst> cyberanger: really if you are smart and have users set up in the right way windows can be ok
[18:59] <wrst> but that rarely ever happens
[18:59] <cyberanger> and your users still is where alot of the mess is
[18:59] <netritious> cyberanger: that was the point I was making
[19:00] <cyberanger> and the level of out of the box support, to lock it down, that's where I fault windows
[19:00] <netritious> +1 wrst for his observation :)
[19:00] <cyberanger> netritious: for linux, things are more or less locked down to home
[19:01] <cyberanger> I agree the users still pose risk, but the level for a clumsby user is deluser and adduser
[19:01] <cyberanger> and done
[19:01] <netritious> firewall is disabled by default, well there are no rules, in ubuntu 10.04
[19:02] <netritious> firewall enabled by default on windows since XP SP2
[19:02] <netritious> just sayin' lol
[19:02] <wrst> netritious: i thought ufw was installed and enabled by default?
[19:02] <netritious> it is but there are no rules
[19:02] <cyberanger> netritious: but no network services listening in distros
[19:02] <netritious> and no not enabled I don't think
[19:03] <netritious> cyberanger: install a package and you might, or run some script and you might
[19:03] <cyberanger> well, ubuntu enables dhcp, unfortunately, overlooked that
[19:03] <netritious> winders does to
[19:03] <wrst> netritious: i've just noticed when installing certain packages it does things to ufw
[19:04] <cyberanger> yeah, but the administrator should be the one setting up the network and running sudo
[19:05] <netritious> joe bob 9-5'er user doesn't know anything about that stuff
[19:05] <cyberanger> debian has nothing listening, and netinst and altinst is more refined on ubuntu
[19:05] <netritious> that stuff=admin
[19:06] <cyberanger> netritious: true, but he should
[19:06] <cyberanger> same on windows
[19:06] <cyberanger> it'd be like owning a car but you don't know how to change a flat
[19:07] <netritious> changing a flat and a BSOD or grub> prompt not the same lol
[19:08] <netritious> plenty people know how to change tires without being a mechanic
[19:09] <wrst> ok netritious looking is ufw enabled on the desktop?
[19:09] <netritious> I know it's installed, but it is not to the best of my knowledge enabled in any way
[19:09] <cyberanger> netritious: I'm not saying you need to be an admin either
[19:09] <netritious> easiest way to tell...
[19:10] <netritious> sudo iptables -L
[19:10] <netritious> if you don't see any rules then traffic is flowing freely
[19:10] <cyberanger> know about malware's common vectors, and why not running as root for everything is good
[19:10] <wrst> ok netritious
[19:10]  * wrst heads to look
[19:11] <cyberanger> sudo iptbles and netstat --inet -l are a useful match
[19:11] <cyberanger> netritious: and for everything else, consulte your "mechanic"
[19:11] <netritious> yeah ain't that the truth cyberanger
[19:12] <wrst> yep just confirmed on my server will check desktop when i have it fired back up, glad i have a firewall on my router atleast :\
[19:12] <netritious> got to hand it to some people trying to figure it out on their  own but sometimes they just make a bad thing worse
[19:13] <wrst> netritious:  like me and painting at my house sometimes its better to hire a pro
[19:13] <netritious> I like netstat --inet -ln
[19:13] <netritious> hehe
[19:13] <cyberanger> wrst: but where's the fun in that
[19:13] <netritious> well nothing like learning everyday
[19:14] <netritious> I enjoy it...most of the time :)
[19:14] <cyberanger> netritious: netstat -alvenc
[19:14] <cyberanger> netritious: netstat --inet -alvenc
[19:14] <cyberanger> that's my fav
[19:15] <netritious> heh good one cyberanger
[19:17] <cyberanger> crud, bind9 got a bad update, fried rndc, and my lan domain in the process
[19:17] <netritious> that sucks cyberanger
[19:18] <cyberanger> netritious: it's useful when something is just hammering you, built in tool, togo with you built in firewall
[19:23] <cyberanger> netritious: the annoying part is it took out my local mirror
[19:23] <cyberanger> indirectly
[19:24] <cyberanger> since it's based on the domain name
[19:24]  * cyberanger goes to add a (temporary) hosts entry
[19:25] <cyberanger> this'll be back up in 5 minutes or less, just should have been less, computers know binary, how's zero downtime look :-/
[19:44] <wrst> Xpistos: its you again?
[19:45] <Xpistos> yep
[19:45] <wrst> goodness thought we were through with you for the day :P
[19:48] <cyberanger> servers back up
[19:48] <cyberanger> woot
[19:48] <cyberanger> wrst: ouch, that hurts over here for some reason, right next to my splean
[19:50] <wrst> cyberanger:  that was only directed towards Xpistos :)
[19:50] <cyberanger> thus my suprise, your aim is off
[19:52] <wrst> but cyberanger i like you... Xpistos... nah not so much :D
[19:53] <Xpistos> Yeah cyberanger
[19:53] <Xpistos> He likes you  ... me not so much
[19:53] <cyberanger> lol
[19:53] <wrst> ha ha nah Xpistos i like you too... cyberanger is just smarter than we are so we have to suck up :)
[19:54] <Xpistos> I don't, i just have to offer him a podcast for that
[19:54] <wrst> h aha :)
[20:08]  * cyberanger wonders how everybody is doing today
[20:15] <wrst> i'm a little bit of a pain in th e  rear today cyberanger :)
[20:18] <cyberanger> wrst: uh, glad to hear it
[20:18] <cyberanger> I think
[20:20] <wrst> ha ha well i always am
[20:50] <chibihogoshino> its so quiet i can hear my self think..
[21:13] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: it's so quiet in here I can hear a ping drop
[21:13] <chibihogoshino> lol
[21:13] <chibihogoshino> what about a pong
[21:15] <cyberanger> suppose so
[21:15] <cyberanger> never too worried about a pong
[21:16] <wrst> chibihogoshino: :P
[21:17]  * wrst makes a weak attempt to liven things up
[21:17] <chibihogoshino> heh
[21:17] <chibihogoshino> its manga day
[22:33] <techMiles> hey guiz
[23:13] <wrst> hey techMiles!
[23:13] <techMiles> :D
[23:13] <wrst> what's up?
[23:14] <techMiles> Not a lot here. working on my actionlist.
[23:14] <techMiles> aka todolist. but stuff I can actually DO. lol
[23:15] <cyberanger> lol
[23:15] <wrst> hmm good perspective i generally work on my... stuff i will never do list :)
[23:16] <techMiles> yeah
[23:16] <techMiles> I have one of those
[23:16] <techMiles> :D
[23:16] <techMiles> thus why I differentiate
[23:16] <wrst> ha ha techMiles i need to reconsider my list organization!
[23:16] <techMiles> yeah
[23:17]  * wrst considers sending all his list to techMiles for organization
[23:17] <techMiles> mine was inspired by reading so much about productivity and lists (that it actually interfered WITH my productivity. how's that irony for ya), and a professor of mine who uses that actionlist.
[23:17] <techMiles> wrst: lmao. I don't know what you can/can't do. but I can try and work on it. xD
[23:17] <wrst> :)
[23:17] <wrst> oh laziness is my culprit techMiles
[23:18] <techMiles> actionlist #1) Consulting fee to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>paypal. $200.
[23:18] <wrst> ha ha
[23:18] <wrst> that will help me get over my laziness and do it myself!
[23:18] <wrst> :)
[23:19] <techMiles> actionlist #2) reverse-psychology therapist. fee to tech.miles paypal. $50.
[23:19] <techMiles> actionlist #3) never getting anything done on your lists. Priceless
[23:20] <wrst> :)
[23:22]  * wrst has not seen the great blizzard part 6 of 2011 yet
[23:25] <elijah-mbp> it really started snowing hard when i went to wally world earlier, wrst.
[23:25] <wrst> elijah-mbp: milk and bread??? :)
[23:25] <elijah-mbp> ham, milk, hamburger helper, and DIET SODA.
[23:25] <elijah-mbp> diet soda was the real important part of that.
[23:25]  * wrst notices the all caps diet soda as he is chugging a fat filled Dr. Pepper
[23:26] <elijah-mbp> haha
[23:26] <wrst> elijah-mbp: i have never completely figured out the milk and bread rush on stores especially when we are getting a meager 1-3"
[23:26] <elijah-mbp> <-- diabetic, can't drink the real stuff anymore
[23:26] <wrst> but now hamburger and what not... i fully understand that :)
[23:26]  * techMiles can't drink diet.
[23:26] <techMiles> The artificial sweeteners give me a migraine
[23:44] <netritious> dinner time..cya later alligators


[13:35] <Cesdo> Hello all
[13:35] <Cesdo> Is anyone here? :-)
[13:36] <Cesdo> I want to be a maintainer
[13:36] <Cesdo> So I have some questions for you
[13:41] <Cesdo> When I start ./Configure is it necessary to have "Yes" on each line before starting Make?
[13:43] <bratner> Cesdo, not really. Some tests are for optional features, some just figuring out what kind of system you have. If your system lacks something mandatory, usualy Makefile will not be generated at all.
[13:46] <Cesdo> bratner: But have I try to include those all optional features to package?
[13:47] <bratner> I want to maintain my own patch over ubuntu [patched over upstream] source of qemu. Is there an ubuntu git repo that holds the patched upstream source for each released package version that I can use as my upstream?
[13:50] <bratner> Cesdo: As it happens i'm now into qemu package. It has a lot of "auto-detect" features in it's ./configure script. Ubuntu uses specific "--with-feature" and "--without-feature" for each one. For all "--with-feature" the metadata files specifies an ubuntu package requirement.
[13:52] <bratner> Cesdo: I suggest having the same scheme. You want to avoid "autodetection" during build. So your binary package will always have the same features and dependencies.
[14:10] <Cesdo> bratner: thank you