[00:00] <hamitron> I don't remember ever running the client on linux
[00:00] <hamitron> a server, yeh
[00:00] <hamitron> brb
[00:01] <Jibadeeha> k
[00:04] <hamitron> bk
[00:14] <brobostigon> evening everyone.
[03:30] <pauliunx> hi, I have a problem, if I hit 'hibernate' it will work the first time, but after resuming it won't work again, the screens go blank and the system freezes so i need to reset it. anyone have any idea?
[04:04]  * ball <- running Xubuntu
[04:19] <ball> It's time to put the kettle on.
[05:40] <MartijnVdS> ball: excellent idea
[05:46] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: wow your still up?
[05:46] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: no, I'm already up
[05:47] <HazRPG> I think I may have lost a day... playing minecraft >_<
[05:47] <HazRPG> only just looked at the time now >_<
[05:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: uninstall! uninstall!
[05:47] <HazRPG> lol
[05:47] <MartijnVdS> vr feb  4 05:47:25 UTC 2011
[05:47] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^
[05:47] <HazRPG> IKR!
[05:48] <HazRPG> I looked at it and went... hang on a sec, didn't I start playing at 5pm!?!?
[05:48] <HazRPG> >_<
[05:48] <HazRPG> oh well
[05:48] <HazRPG> tis fun
[05:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: don't blame us if you fail exams/get fired/etc. ;)
[05:49] <HazRPG> mobs really really frustrate me tho
[05:49] <HazRPG> heh, how can i blame anyone but myself
[05:49] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: the people here told you to try it ;)
[05:49] <HazRPG> I've heard about minecraft for a while - just never played it until recently.
[05:50] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: true... but I was considering playing it anyways xD
[05:50] <HazRPG> it was the price that swayed me mainly
[05:51] <HazRPG> I thought "if I wait... and get it later... I'll regret not having bought it when it was cheap"
[05:51] <HazRPG> however... I was also thinking... "I still have lots of other games, that I still haven't played"
[05:52] <HazRPG> in the end, since popey had his own server up... thought why the hell not xD
[05:52] <HazRPG> oops... oh well...
[05:52] <HazRPG> I'll just have to make sure I don't double-click it as often...
[05:53] <HazRPG> or better yet! Setup a task so that the shortcuts only show up after a certain time xD
[05:53] <HazRPG> and another one, to auto-kill it at a certain time, and also hide shortcuts xD
[05:54] <HazRPG> plan!
[05:54] <HazRPG> already have such things in place for games I use to be addicted to
[05:55]  * HazRPG should maybe lay off the caffeine
[05:56] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm off to bed, before I find more things to do in minecraft...
[05:56] <HazRPG> nn
[06:49] <AlanBell> morning
[06:56] <nigelb> Morning AlanBell :)
[07:48] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[07:49] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:01]  * BigRedS needs something that breaks more obviously when the connection disappears
[08:05] <screen-x> BigRedS: +1
[08:07] <BigRedS> It has before got to ~11am before I've noticed that all the timestamps in this dead channel are at about 3am, when for whatever reason I disconnected from he ssh session
[08:13] <screen-x> heh I've been braving #ubuntu for a few mins, not going to last long in there..
[08:14] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:15] <screen-x> morning MooDoo :)
[08:23] <DJones> Morning MooDoo screen-x
[08:35] <Compacthack> Morning all
[08:36] <screen-x> mornign Compacthack  :)
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: ServerAliveInterval in ~/.ssh/config (see man ssh_config)
[08:38] <Compacthack> My Superdrive has finally turned up, 10.10 is going into my Macbook Air!
[08:38] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: depends where the connection failure is..
[08:38] <screen-x> Compacthack: which MBA have you got?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: sure, if it's the connection to the IRC server that's flaking out, you'll need to teach irssi some tricks :)
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: but it's possible to get a blinking red "CONNECTION LOST" in each window with minimal scripting
[08:40] <screen-x> I get a message saying I'm no longer connected, but its usually just before the connection is re-established, so its pretty useless.
[08:42] <Compacthack> screen-x: 11" with 128GB SSD, 1.6GHz CPU and 4GB RAM
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I get it in window 1, where I tend to not look
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: (because of Freenode spam)
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> "Boohoo we're the admins and some server is going down" SO WHAT, I'LL RECONNECT... *ahem*
[08:43]  * MartijnVdS wanders off to get some calming tea
[08:43] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: heh, I never really read the console.
[08:44] <screen-x> Compacthack: :) Let us know how 10.10 runs on there..
[08:49] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: I keep meaning to fiddle with that config :)
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I think this needs to be a script, because it has to write something to all relevant windows at once
[08:56] <Compacthack> screen-x: Will do, been difficult to install, ended up taking the easy option and brought a Superdrive (USB DVD/CDROM)
[08:56] <screen-x> Compacthack: it wont install from usb?
[08:57] <Compacthack> Nope, a Apple thing with the MBA I think
[08:58] <Compacthack> People have done it by coping usb install to a partition then booting into that, but bug with the installer, tries to unmount the install partition when setting up the other partitions
[09:00] <screen-x> ahh :(
[09:05] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: Ah, I include scripting in config. But It's thankfully quite rare that I find myself on such a flaky connection
[09:11] <MooDoo> morning kazade
[09:11] <kazade> morning MooDoo
[09:12] <kazade> MooDoo, #ubuntu-uk-minecraft ;)
[09:17] <BigRedS> kazade:
[09:19] <nigelb> 23
[09:20] <MooDoo> 153 ;)
[09:24] <directhex> time to pack!
[09:27] <daubers> Morning
[09:27] <screen-x> \o daubers
[09:27] <screen-x> where are you off to directhex?
[09:28] <directhex> brussels!
[09:32] <screen-x> directhex: as an official delegation?
[09:34] <directhex> screen-x, i'm giving a talk, if that counts
[09:34] <screen-x> cool, what on?
[09:34] <directhex> FOSDEM
[09:37] <screen-x> directhex: found you :) http://fosdem.org/2011/schedule/event/mono_debian
[09:41] <screen-x> ooh I'd like to listen to Lennart Poettering on systemd, hope that gets recorded
[09:43] <directhex> hm. i can't find my passport
[09:44] <directhex> this is now a priority
[09:44] <MooDoo> directhex: best get off here and find it then :)
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning, Angels!  I was looking for directhex on fosdem.org, and spotted that you are also speaking :)
[10:18] <bigcalm> AHA! Realised why there is money in the joint account. No council tax this month
[10:18] <czajkowski> screen-x: aye
[10:19] <AlanBell> popey: sladen got hugged
[10:19] <screen-x> bigcalm: are you "visiting" ;-)
[10:19] <gord> czajkowski, were you doing anything fun in millbank?
[10:20] <bigcalm> screen-x: I think that you pay 10 months out of 12. Rather like the tv licence. I have no idea why though
[10:20] <screen-x> bigcalm: oddness, shows how closely I monitor my accounts (!)
[10:21] <gord> sometimes evolution says that i have x unread messages when i clearly have none, annoying
[10:21] <bigcalm> screen-x: Where I used to live on my own and got the 25% off was nearly as much as normal council tax here
[10:21] <bigcalm> Where I used to live was lovely, but darn expensive
[10:22] <MooDoo> wow loads of speakers at fosdem
[10:22] <czajkowski> gord: poking people :)
[10:22] <gord> czajkowski, a hard job, but someone has to do it
[10:23] <MooDoo> gord: didn't you see the pic of czajkowski on facebook? smiling while she was doing it ;)
[10:23]  * popey pokes bigcalm with #ubuntu-uk-minecraft :)
[10:23] <gord> i don't really use facebook, i have facebook chat hooked up to my IM's but thats about it, too lazy to go to a website
[10:23] <MooDoo> gord: don't blame you to be honest lol
[10:25] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:25] <MooDoo> s-fox: good morning
[10:25] <popey> \o/ no facebook account
[10:26] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo .  How are you?
[10:26] <MooDoo> s-fox: i'm very well thanks, going to see peter kay in notts tonight :D
[10:28] <directhex> :'(
[10:30] <s-fox> That sounds fun MooDoo
[10:32]  * czajkowski pokes AlanBell and TheOpenSourcerer
[10:32] <czajkowski> bah
[10:32] <czajkowski> boarding
[10:32] <czajkowski> toodles
[10:32]  * TheOpenSourcerer waves at czajkowski
[10:32]  * AlanBell hugs czajkowski
[10:32] <MooDoo> s-fox: yes i'm looking forward to it
[10:32] <AlanBell> have a nice flight
[10:32] <czajkowski> hello ye two messers
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> enjoy the train.
[10:32] <czajkowski> AlanBell: TRAIN... do you remember last nights chats my dear
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's fun.
[10:32] <AlanBell> oh yeah
[10:32] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: even you remembered
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm like an elephant me ;-)
[10:33] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yer getting old :p
[10:33] <AlanBell> czajkowski: never listen to a thing you say, should know that by now
[10:33] <czajkowski> clearly
[10:33] <czajkowski> bye
[10:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: bye x
[10:33] <AlanBell> choo choo o/
[10:34] <s-fox> Bye czajkowski  :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> hmmm tapas or wagammamas tonight?
[10:36]  * screen-x votes wagammamas
[10:37] <s-fox> tapas
[10:37] <AlanBell> wagamammas
[10:37] <Laney> there's a tapas restaurant called iberico near the galleries of justice that is really good
[10:37] <Laney> i recommend that
[10:38]  * popey votes tapas
[10:38] <MooDoo> thanks Laney :)
[10:38]  * bigcalm isn't that excited by tapas
[10:38] <bigcalm> MooDoo: What's your location?
[10:38] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm in nottingham
[10:39] <bigcalm> May I recomend sushi? :)
[10:39] <MooDoo> bigcalm: don't eat fish, cooked or raw
[10:39] <MooDoo> :D
[10:39] <MooDoo> actually i take that statement back
[10:39] <bigcalm> That does limit the choices then :)
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> Sushi++
[10:39] <MooDoo> as sushi isn't necassarilyfish if i'm not mistaken :)
[10:40] <s-fox> Canas y Tapas is not so far from here and is really good for tapas
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: you could try f&c ;)
[10:40] <MooDoo> s-fox: anything near the concert hall to be honest :D
[10:41] <popey> MooDoo: why don't you eat fish?
[10:41] <popey> daubers doesnt either iirc
[10:41] <MooDoo> popey: had a bad reaction when i was younger and never tried it since.
[10:42] <dutchie> i don't particularly like fish, if that counts
[10:42] <screen-x> I don't eat fish either.
[10:42] <screen-x> ^5 dutchie
[10:42] <MooDoo> i don't mind sea food but not fish, although my wife says i should try monk fish as it's meatier
[10:43]  * MooDoo must remember to time how fast my ubuntu works now i'm running ssd
[10:43] <MooDoo> s/works/boots
[10:44] <directhex> where haven't i looked?
[10:44] <daubers> popey: I've been converted recently
[10:44] <daubers> Though still won't go near sushi
[10:44]  * jpds thinks food is a weapon, and eats everything.
[10:44] <daubers> I found the trick was to learn to cook it properly.....
[10:45] <MooDoo> directhex: bedroom draws, on your bookshelf with all your post, in your sock draw, in a secret place only you know about and have forgotten :)
[10:45] <screen-x> directhex: filing cabinet?, shelves.. bags, coat pockets
[10:45] <daubers> directhex: In your car?
[10:45] <screen-x> MooDoo: did you time it with disk, then copy your install to SSD? would be interesting to see the difference SSD makes, when its the only variable thats changed.
[10:46] <MooDoo> screen-x: no i didn't but it's no hardship to put the normal disk back in for testing
[10:46] <MooDoo> although it is quite good :D
[10:46] <popey> daubers: where other halves passport is located
[10:47] <popey> er directhex
[10:47] <screen-x> MooDoo: noticeably snappier in normal usage with sshd?
[10:47] <MooDoo> screen-x: yup :)
[10:47] <directhex> popey, yes
[10:47] <directhex> popey, nope
[10:48] <directhex> popey, got hers, no trouble
[10:48] <dutchie> woohoo, lectures
[10:48] <screen-x> MooDoo: do you have plenty of RAM?
[10:48] <MooDoo>  screen-x 4gb
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> popey, MooDoo: http://j.mp/i0JlVL
[10:49] <MooDoo> lol
[10:49] <screen-x> haha
[10:50] <MartijnVdS> memegenerator++ :)
[10:50] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/239/461325122_6dbcf37c81.jpg
[10:50] <popey> heh
[10:50] <daubers> Bah, why isn't there a library to deal with magnetic tapes in python
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> daubers: because magnetic tapes are just special device files, and there are plenty of libraries that deal with those :P
[10:51] <popey> mt!
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> tar!
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> (guess what the "t" stands for..)
[10:52] <daubers> Yes yes yes, I can just call mt, but it would be nice to do it without resorting to calling a CLI program
[10:52] <daubers> MartijnVdS: python-tar doesn't rewind the tape and whatnot
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ah, you want to do ioctls then :)
[10:54] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Got a convenient link for that?
[10:55] <daubers> Oooh... man st might be useful
[10:58] <directhex> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[10:58] <screen-x> directhex: w00t :)
[10:59] <directhex> phone wife, find within 60 seconds
[10:59] <directhex> wife++
[10:59] <MooDoo> directhex: lol where was it :)
[10:59] <directhex> MooDoo, inside pocket of my suit jacket
[11:00]  * screen-x was pretty close at 10:45 then :)
[11:00] <MooDoo> directhex: typical :D
[11:02] <Laney> we need more schengen
[11:03] <MooDoo> Laney: more what?
[11:03] <Laney> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Schengen_Agreement
[11:03] <seeker> directhex: My girlfriend always complains that im unobservant and never notice anything
[11:03] <jpds> Laney: No.
[11:04] <MooDoo> seeker: i can look for something for ages and it's always right in front of my face as my wife points out
[11:04] <directhex> right... packing... don't have a suitable bag \o/
[11:04] <daubers> Meh, my missus complains that I occasionally refer to her as my calender
[11:04] <seeker> So when i lose stuff she finds it quickly
[11:04] <seeker> However, when it comes to the Internet, the situation is reversed
[11:05] <screen-x> daubers: heh, I've pursuaded mrs screen-x to use google calendar :)
[11:05] <MooDoo> directhex: phone the wife, she'll have one :p
[11:05] <seeker> She spent 45 mins last night looking for stuff
[11:05] <seeker> I found it in about 45 seconds
[11:05] <daubers> screen-x: I tried that, but I always forget to put stuff on it. Easier to mention it to the missus and she'll remind me
[11:06] <seeker> <- not *totally* useless
[11:06] <screen-x> daubers: yeah, only works if you both have phones that sync well.
[11:06] <directhex> i'll steal her bag. remove stockings first though... roommate will look at me funny if i pull those out
[11:07] <MooDoo> directhex: funny or with a slight wink ;)
[11:07] <davmor2> morning all
[11:07] <davmor2> MooDoo:
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning sir
[11:08] <bigcalm> Latest version of iTunes has removed the GET button from the Podcasts view. This is odd
[11:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's cause apple hates you :D
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: the feeling is mutual :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> iTunes is the only thing of theirs that I use out of choice
[11:09] <bigcalm> And that's just for the podcasts
[11:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: good day yesterday?
[11:10] <screen-x> bigcalm: iTunes is one of the only things of theirs that I hate with a passion. (the other is timecapsule)
[11:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: busy, nearly missed czajkowski all together :)
[11:10] <MooDoo> :)
[11:16] <Neoti|work> When are the people at ubuntu gonna fix the PPTP VPN problems... argh!!! its very anoyning ....
[11:17] <jpds> Neoti|work: Have you filed a bug report about it?
[11:18] <popey> Neoti|work: which specific issue? VPNs raise a number of issues
[11:20] <Neoti|work> ok ignore that ... it just started working .... its not been working for past week on my computer and now it is ... maybe that update i just did fixed it ... either way ... yey
[11:20] <Neoti|work> every time i tried to connect with the correct user ane password it just failed... yet the same vpn on widnows always worked.... strange.
[11:21]  * directhex realises saying "X is for girls, manly men use Y" isn't funny, it's just sexist
[11:22] <popey> directhex: found it yet?
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: X-chromosomes are for girls, manly men have Y-chromosomes.
[11:22] <directhex> [10:58] <directhex> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[11:22] <popey> heh
[11:22] <directhex> MartijnVdS, the manliest men have 2!
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> directhex: exactly!
[11:23] <bigcalm> I'm lost
[11:23] <popey> directhex: wifey accuses me of "man looking"
[11:23] <popey> when I can't find stuff
[11:23] <popey> "Oh, you've been man looking again?"
[11:23] <bigcalm> popey: I get that too!
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you're in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
[11:23] <popey> It's almost always because she's been "woman tidying" stuff away
[11:23] <bigcalm> NW
[11:23] <popey> bigcalm: You have been eaten by a grue.
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: why do I read that with a "deep south" American accent?
[11:23] <popey> Restart (Y/N)
[11:24] <bigcalm> N
[11:24] <popey> C:\>
[11:24] <bigcalm> format c: /Y
[11:24] <MooDoo> rm -rf * /
[11:24] <bigcalm> Did that once by mistake on my dad's machine
[11:24] <bigcalm> Sorry, my dad's work machine
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> Cannot load COMMAND, system halted
[11:25] <screen-x> :(){:|.....
[11:25] <bigcalm> Good, time for a cuppa tea then :)
[11:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: when i was younger and on YTS i was told to go run that command on a machine, they mistakenly thought i knew what it meant ;)
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I accidentally threw a 20MB hard disk off a desk once
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (PC was disassembled for upgrades)
[11:26] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: 5" drive?
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: ST-225
[11:27] <Neoti|work> ok im guessing the vpn problems have been fixed in this update i just did ... YEY !!!!! \0/
[11:28] <MooDoo> Neoti|work: yay o/
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: http://www.redhill.net.au/d/d-a.html
[11:29] <Neoti|work> MooDoo : indeed! 0/
[11:29] <directhex> okay. i will play some minecraft now
[11:29] <popey> :)
[11:29]  * popey invites directhex to #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[11:31] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I keep meaning to disassemble a big old disk, the large platters should make good coasters..
[11:31] <s-fox> aka popey-world :)
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: my dad has a full-height 5.25" hard disk bookend :)
[11:32] <screen-x> I've got one of those from an old sun scsi housing :)
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[11:49] <MooDoo> brobostigon: morning
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS :)
[11:49] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[11:50]  * screen-x is having ADSL issues.
[11:50] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you this fine day?
[11:50] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not bad, my hip hurts, but more optimistic certainly. and how about you?
[11:51] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm not bad, going to see peter kay tonight so that's good.
[11:51] <brobostigon> MooDoo: cool, have loads of fun, :)
[11:52] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i will :)  and then i;ll be doing some boot speed tests tomorrow with ubuntu and my ssd
[11:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i just found out,bytemark give native ipv6 for their vps's, :)
[11:53] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :) , ah, interesting.
[11:54] <bigcalm> Ooo, I didn't realise that I had an ipv6 address with my bytemark host
[11:54] <bigcalm> Any way of testing it?
[11:54] <MooDoo> virgin not doing them yet as far as i can tell
[11:54] <jpds> bigcalm: mtr -6 gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:55] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:55] <bigcalm> It wants to install 37 packages before mtr will get installed
[11:55] <jpds> bigcalm: traceroute6 -n gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:57] <bigcalm> Network in unreachable
[11:57] <bigcalm> Grumble
[11:58] <brobostigon> bigcalm: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/support/technical_documents/ipv6
[11:59] <bigcalm> brobostigon: ta
[11:59] <brobostigon> bigcalm: you're welcome,
[12:00]  * bigcalm hunts down the welcome emails
[12:05] <bigcalm> How odd
[12:06] <bigcalm> ipv6 address stated in ifconfig is completely different from the welcome email
[12:09]  * bigcalm gets ready to break his vm
[12:10] <bigcalm> Broke it :D
[12:10] <jpds> Well done, good sir.
[12:10] <MooDoo> bigcalm: well done :D
[12:15] <bigcalm> # ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[12:15] <bigcalm> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-kvm-i386-20100923/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[12:15]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at Bytemark
[12:16] <screen-x> bigcalm: impressive that you had enough connectivity to receive that error..
[12:16] <bigcalm> screen-x: I'm logged into the admin console
[12:16] <screen-x> ahh, makes sesnse
[12:22] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll leave this to out of office hours
[12:25] <andylockran> howdy guys
[12:26] <brobostigon> afternoonings andylockran
[12:28] <bigcalm> Good evening
[12:39] <bigcalm> Lots of brown outs!
[12:39] <bigcalm> So glad I have UPSs
[12:41] <kernix> hi all
[13:08] <MooDoo> raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa power cuts
[13:09]  * MooDoo has made a schoolboy error
[13:09] <MooDoo> stupid computers
[13:09] <brobostigon> :(
[13:09] <bigcalm> MooDoo: getting a lot of brown outs here
[13:10] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yeah where i am too.....but my server rebooted fine, however as it's a vmware server i forgot to make the vm's restart too :S doh!!!!
[13:10] <bigcalm> Doh
[13:10] <bigcalm> You need a UPS :)
[13:10] <MooDoo> tell me about it....
[13:11] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yes i know
[13:11] <bigcalm> :P
[13:11] <MooDoo> darn vps's lol
[13:29] <popey> whenever I hear "brown outs" I think of playing Civilisation
[13:30] <jpds> popey: Not 5 minute chocolate cup-cakes?
[13:31] <screen-x> \o/ mug cakes
[13:34] <JamesTait> My kids think popey is some kind of deity after we made those cakes.
[13:34] <lazarus_> hi all
[13:36] <JamesTait> MooDoo: Spot on about Virgin not doing IPv6. They have "plenty of free IPv4 addresses" apparently.
[13:37] <MooDoo> JamesTait: yeah that's what i read in forums last night :)
[13:38]  * JamesTait hands Virgin Media a pair of glasses. Talk about myopic.
[13:39] <JamesTait> In the meantime, I got set up with a tunnel from SixXS.
[13:39] <dwatkins> I guess I should setup a tunnel, not that I really know what I'd do with it, i.e. when I'd need it.
[13:40] <brobostigon> dwatkins: freenode over ipv6, ipv6.chat.freenode.net :), ipv6.google.com  www.v6.facebook.com
[13:40] <popey> haha JamesTait
[13:40] <JamesTait> popey: Of course, we've all known that for years.... ;)
[13:40] <Darael> Not that ipv6.chat.freenode.net is necessary if one's client prefers v6.
[13:41] <brobostigon> Darael: good point, easy to set in irssi.
[13:41]  * JamesTait wonders if his does.
[13:41] <Darael> And ditto Google if using Hurricane Electric DNS.
[13:41] <Darael> brobostigon: Precisely.
[13:41] <Darael> Or any other DNS that Google provide quad-A records to, actually.
[13:42]  * popey cuddles JamesTait
[13:42]  * JamesTait purrs.
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> sorry about that
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> v6 \o/
[13:43] <brobostigon> :)
[13:43]  * MartijnVdS isn't a pro irssi wranger, apparently
[13:43] <JamesTait> Judging by my netstat output, me too. :)
[13:44] <dutchie> the real reason for not setting reverse ipv6 dns: because there is no point having ipv6 unless people on irc can see it
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> 14:43 [FreeNode] -!- Irssi: Connecting to ipv6.chat.freenode.net  [2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe] port 6667
[13:44] <popey> i should probably consider ipv6 on my bitfolk vps at some point
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> "dead beef cafe", rly?
[13:44] <jpds> Thankfully most of the Ubuntu mirrors have had v6 for a while.
[13:44] <brobostigon> jpds: yes, :)
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> jpds: Facebook has a v6 page, Google is available over v6
[13:45] <JamesTait> Oh that's what that address is! I was seeing it in my UFW logs and wondering!
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> When reddit and imgur add v6 support, I can disable v4 ;)
[13:45] <dutchie> haha
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: google includes youtube.. :)
[13:46] <andylockran> giwdt akk
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: Welsh?
[13:47] <DJones> or a hangover
[13:47] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: not enough 'L's
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: good point
[13:48] <brobostigon> plenty of welsh words with no l's.
[13:49] <screen-x> doesnt have enough repeats to be sleeping cat syndrome..
[13:49] <screen-x> brobostigon: well, it has a k in it, which doesn't exist in welsh (iirc)
[13:50] <brobostigon> screen-x: good point,
[13:50] <dwatkins> brobostigon: thanks, I will look into it
[13:51] <popey> it's "howdy all" with his fingers in the wrong place.
[13:51] <brobostigon> dwatkins: :)
[13:52] <JamesTait> Who needs Enigma machines when we've got popey?
[13:53] <screen-x> JamesTait: are you after a SAP job?
[13:53] <JamesTait> Not flippin' likely!
[13:54] <popey> wise
[13:55] <JamesTait> Anyone going to UDS?
[13:56] <CaMason> is there a simple way to remove some of the old kernels?
[13:56] <popey> CaMason: install cruft-removal tool
[13:56] <popey> or computer janitor or whatever it's called
[13:56] <popey> !find computer-janitor-gtk
[13:56] <CaMason> thanks
[13:56] <popey> careful though, it can remove more than you want
[13:56] <popey> make sure to untick anything you dont want removed
[13:57] <CaMason> running the janitor tool now
[14:00] <screen-x> popey: find would be useful in here :)
[14:01] <popey> oh, doh
[14:03] <MooDoo> JamesTait: when is it this time?
[14:04] <MooDoo> ah may
[14:04] <popey> usually may/oct
[14:05] <MooDoo> omg popey just popped up all large like :S
[14:05] <popey> que?
[14:05] <MooDoo> popey: you're on one of the rotating umages with jono :)
[14:05] <MooDoo> s/images
[14:06] <popey> heh, where?
[14:06] <JamesTait> MooDoo: 9th - 13th May.
[14:06] <MooDoo> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[14:06] <popey> oh yeah :)
[14:06] <popey> scary pic
[14:06] <MooDoo> popey: my first though was "That's POPEY" :)
[14:06] <popey> lol
[14:06] <popey> * Other community members are available
[14:07] <MooDoo> i didn't even realise it was jono until i had another look lol
[14:08] <screen-x> brilliant DOF in that pic, spot on.
[14:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[14:08] <JamesTait> I will be there this time. :)
[14:08] <JamesTait> This pleases me.
[14:08] <MooDoo> hello czajkowski arrived safetly?
[14:09] <czajkowski> :)
[14:10] <MooDoo> czajkowski: silly question, just checking though :)
[14:11] <Pendulum> czajkowski: why are you wasting time on IRC? go fet your beer and chocolate :P
[14:11] <czajkowski> I need to shower
[14:11] <czajkowski> check mail
[14:11] <czajkowski> and find patrick
[14:11] <czajkowski> keith arrives later
[14:11] <Pendulum> *fetch
[14:11] <Pendulum> ah
[14:11] <czajkowski> then jon
[14:13] <MooDoo> then pub?
[14:13] <czajkowski> yes
[14:13] <czajkowski> need to watch rugby game
[14:14]  * brobostigon hopes the right team wins, :)
[14:14] <davisc> C'mon Wales ;-p
[14:14] <brobostigon> davisc: :)
[14:15]  * davisc is the only one in the office today wearing a rygby shirt
[14:15]  * screen-x would be the only one in the office not cheering wales (if he was at work..)
[14:15] <brobostigon> rugby*
[14:16] <brobostigon> i support both though.
[14:18] <MooDoo> typical, first match and i'm out watching peter kay :S
[14:19] <brobostigon> MooDoo: get_iplayer to the rescue.
[14:19] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm recording it, i'll watch it when i get home
[14:20] <brobostigon> MooDoo: good plan.
[14:20] <MooDoo> then again i need to watch alice part 2 as well :D
[14:20] <nigelb> 52
[14:20] <nigelb> gah
[14:20] <adampc> Hi  all :)
[14:20] <adampc> Long time no see..
[14:21] <adampc> brobostigon:  ;)
[14:21] <MooDoo> adampc: hello
[14:21] <adampc> hehe MooDoo
[14:21] <brobostigon> adampc: afternoonings :)
[14:21] <adampc> Just got my Broadband back on lads :P
[14:21] <MooDoo> yay
[14:21] <adampc> Afternoonings hha
[14:21] <adampc> 30Mbps :P wooo
[14:21] <MooDoo> ooo nice, did you upgrade or new purchase?
[14:21] <MooDoo> virgin right?
[14:21] <adampc> new customer MooDoo yeah VM
[14:22] <popey> \o/ virgin
[14:22] <adampc> got the super hub lol
[14:22] <MooDoo> cool, i can upgrade from my 20 for 15 quid or soemthing like that
[14:22] <adampc> its nice, modem an router in one I can see it getting overloaded with alot of infomation but it is netgear so will let em off ;P
[14:22] <adampc> nice, mines just 32 a month with out the phone line
[14:23] <MooDoo> awesome, were on sky so only need phone and broadband
[14:25] <daubers>  /o\ vm :(
[14:25] <MooDoo> although that means bugger all if i don't make my vps's restart grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[14:26] <seeker> adampc: 30Mbps? Is that all? :P
[14:28] <seeker> 35 Mbps ftw
[14:29]  * daubers notes some missing "upto"'s
[14:30]  * seeker doesn't
[14:30] <seeker> That's about my average
[14:30] <daubers> I pay for 24 and average about 23, so I'm happy enough :)
[14:31] <seeker> And about 7 Mbps upload too
[14:31] <screen-x> I pay for up to 8, and get 1 and a bit.
[14:31] <screen-x> fail-wales :p
[14:31] <popey> \o/ 20Mb
[14:31] <MooDoo> +1 popey
[14:32] <bigcalm> Happy with that
[14:32] <paradigmflow> how do you use the zoom feature? It says super+4, however nothing zooms using the windoze key+numpad 4?
[14:32]  * bigcalm returns from exercise and collapses
[14:32] <brobostigon> screen-x: i wouldnt say that over in #ubuntu-cym though,  :(
[14:33]  * seeker remembers Popey getting 20Mbit Internet and wondering why he was only seeing 10Mbit, before realising he had a 10Mbit switch between him and the router
[14:33] <popey> :)
[14:33] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:34] <screen-x> paradigmflow: mouse button 4 probably
[14:34] <daubers> Was that actually a switch or was it a hub? I've not seen a 10Mb switch in quite some time
[14:34] <popey> paradigmflow: mouse wheel
[14:34] <screen-x> paradigmflow: which is usually scroll up or down
[14:34] <popey> daubers: pedants -> that way
[14:34] <daubers> popey: No, actually interested :) Found someone who had a gigabit hub the other day, confused the hell out of me
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> Good parenting or bad parenting? http://cgi.ebay.com/Selling-8-Beyblades-Replace-DESTOYED-Bathtub-/280625155361?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4156900d21#ht_500wt_959
[14:35] <paradigmflow> nope, nothing :$
[14:36] <paradigmflow> it's a sentinel twin lazer gaming mouse
[14:36] <popey> MartijnVdS: bad
[14:37] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: indifferent
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just look at the picture
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: can't be good
[14:38] <popey> probably a joke
[14:38] <popey> no idea what they told the kids to get them to react like that
[14:38] <MooDoo> daubers: everything on my lan is gigabit apart from my 100mb switch :S
[14:38] <MooDoo> doh!
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://www.google.com/images?q=face+palm
[14:39] <MooDoo> popey: any ideas on location for oggcamp11?
[14:39] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh i know :D
[14:40] <popey> MooDoo: see my tweet?
[14:40] <MooDoo> popey: yesh, looking at venues one?
[14:40] <popey> ya
[14:41] <MooDoo> just being nosey :)
[14:41] <popey> seen a few
[14:41] <popey> suggestions for more welcome as always
[14:41] <MooDoo> popey: http://www.antenna.uk.com/ :D
[14:42] <popey> we've already decided it's down south
[14:42] <MooDoo> ah ok
[14:43] <seeker> Down south \o/
[14:44] <popey> \o/ indeed
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> the deep south
[14:44] <jpds> .au? Seems a bit far away.
[14:44] <MooDoo> might try setting up something up here, a lot of people said they liked nottingham yesterday :D
[14:45] <seeker> Deepest, darkest Hampshire?
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> seeker: tip of Cornwall
[14:45] <Myrtti> Littlehampton
[14:46] <popey> \o/ south coast
[14:46] <seeker> Hey Myrtti
[14:46] <Myrtti> ohai
[14:50] <screen-x> popey: south coast ++
[15:19] <dutchie> popey: anywhere on the paddington - malvern train line is great for me :)
[15:19] <bigcalm> Ah, fond memories
[15:30] <HazRPG> afternoon \o
[15:30] <MooDoo> HazRPG: hullo
[15:31] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[15:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[16:03] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[16:05] <Pendulum> hiya Myrtti
[16:06]  * screen-x is getting bored of this now.
[16:07] <MooDoo> screen-x: bored of what?
[16:08] <screen-x> MooDoo: flaky connection :(
[16:08] <MooDoo> booo
[16:14] <bigcalm> Rackspace dedicated server running Plesk Parallels - anybody know where vhost log files are kept?
[16:16] <MooDoo> bigcalm: /var/www/vhosts?
[16:16] <MooDoo> grep VHOST /etc/psa/psa.conf
[16:16] <bigcalm> MooDoo: the vhosts are there, but not the log files
[16:16] <MooDoo> at a guess
[16:16] <bigcalm> Good idea
[16:17] <screen-x> not directly related, but piwik \o/
[16:17] <daubers> screen-x: Where's your connection going through?
[16:17] <bigcalm>  within the vhost
[16:17] <bigcalm> It's /statistics/logs
[16:17] <bigcalm>  within the vhost
[16:17] <MooDoo> cool
[16:17]  * bigcalm slaps paste
[16:18]  * MooDoo kisses google :)
[16:18] <screen-x> daubers: I run a bip proxy on an old laptop at home, however my home ADSL connection is yoyoing today :(
[16:19] <daubers> :(
[16:22] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[16:22] <jpds> bigcalm: Just stay calm.
[16:22] <bigcalm> How do I get Tesco to stop spamming me? I've told them to not send me any emails 5 times now
[16:25] <davisc> bigcalm: procmail > /dev/null
[16:26] <daubers> bigcalm: Bounce it back to them?
[16:26] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:26]  * daubers despairs at the 30 files of test data that now needs to be analysed
[16:41] <Azelphur> just tried ticking enable ipv6 on my dd-wrt router, it didn't work :-(
[16:42] <iulian> bigcalm: 6 might be your lucky number. ;)
[16:44] <screen-x> Azelphur: does your ISP provide native ip6, or are you using a tunnel?
[16:44] <Azelphur> My ISP has apparently been providing it native for years
[16:44] <Azelphur> http://noc.enta.net/ipv6-over-xdsl/
[16:50] <screen-x> Azelphur: could you use a packet sniffer on the external interface, and see if any RAs are coming in?
[16:51] <Azelphur> screen-x: nah, as I said to my brother I'm not particularly hyped over IPv6
[16:51] <Azelphur> if it doesn't work with a simple button press I'm too lazy :P
[16:51] <jpds> Azelphur: Call enta? ... . Profit?
[16:51] <Azelphur> probably switching away from enta soon too
[16:51] <jpds> You're doing it wrong for future internets.
[16:52] <Azelphur> nope, the developers are doing it wrong for future internets
[16:52]  * brobostigon would kill for native ipv6, and has the hw to do it.
[16:52] <Azelphur> if I can't press a button and have it enabled, it's not going to work over all anyway
[16:52] <jpds> brobostigon: Sounds a bit extreme.
[16:52] <screen-x> Azelphur: we'll have to use IPv6 once ISPs start nating ADSL IPv4 addresses.
[16:53] <Azelphur> yea
[16:53] <Azelphur> if it becomes an issue I'll obviously be more interested :)
[16:53] <brobostigon> jpds: iwould kill, just an expression.
[16:53] <brobostigon> Azelphur: its anissue already.
[16:53] <Azelphur> *shrug* everything works for now
[16:53] <brobostigon> it wont for long though.
[16:54] <Azelphur> when my ISP announces "IPv6 or NAT"
[16:54] <Azelphur> then it'll be an issue ;)
[16:54] <Azelphur> then I'll be sitting down spending hours and calling up the ISP to try and get it working
[16:54] <Azelphur> xD
[16:54] <brobostigon> you dont need NAT in ipv6, its redundant,
[16:55] <Azelphur> brobostigon: but I like my nat
[16:55] <Azelphur> why don't you need a NAT in ipv6?
[16:55] <directhex> choo choo
[16:55] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:55] <directhex> Azelphur, because every human can have billions of IPs without risk of using them all up
[16:56] <Azelphur> yea I understand that part
[16:56] <screen-x> Azelphur: enough public addresses, so dont need to reuse private space
[16:56] <jpds> Azelphur: Your homework for today, read: http://www.ja.net/documents/publications/technical-guides/ipv6-tech-guide-for-web.pdf
[16:56] <brobostigon> :)
[16:56] <Azelphur> but a NAT is a important security feature for the web
[16:56] <screen-x> no
[16:56] <Azelphur> yup :o
[16:56] <Azelphur> it saves all the windows noobs from remote exploits xD
[16:56] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i would justsetup a decent firewall.
[16:56] <Azelphur> brobostigon: that would work
[16:57] <brobostigon> Azelphur: and getrid of nat at the same time, :)
[16:57] <Azelphur> :)
[16:59] <jpds> Azelphur: Windows has the IPv6 privacy extensions enabled by default.
[16:59] <Azelphur> jpds: windows also doesn't have any security
[16:59] <Azelphur> :P
[17:00] <Azelphur> a firewall to block incoming connections is pretty essential to a windows machine imo
[17:00] <screen-x> Azelphur:  it only takes one line of iptables to drop all new incoming connections, which gets you the same level of protection as nat.
[17:00] <Azelphur> yea, Linux is fine
[17:00] <Azelphur> it's Windows I'm laughing at
[17:00] <AlanBell> Azelphur: no, you do the iptables on the router
[17:00] <screen-x> AlanBell: yep
[17:01] <popey> no, you press the "make it work" button on the firewall
[17:01] <Azelphur> (16:56:38) brobostigon: Azelphur: i would justsetup a decent firewall. (16:56:46) Azelphur: brobostigon: that would work
[17:01] <popey> normal humans dont use iptables
[17:01] <Azelphur> we had this discussion already :D
[17:01] <AlanBell> that too
[17:01] <popey> exactly
[17:01] <screen-x> yes, which hopefully does some iptables underneath
[17:01] <popey> so stop moaning :)
[17:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:01]  * screen-x writes iptables scripts, so either isnt normal or isnt human
[17:01] <Azelphur> ^ both
[17:02] <screen-x> most annoying things about osx so far: no iptables and no "ip" command.
[17:02]  * screen-x cant be bothered to learn pf
[17:03]  * jpds sees an increasing amount of laziness reported in this channel.
[17:05] <daubers> jpds: I'd argue against that.... but can't be bothered
[17:06]  * screen-x reads man 8 ipfw
[17:10] <daubers> Azelphur: a firewall woul do that
[17:16]  * AlanBell has the map on beta.ubuntu-uk.org working
[17:16] <popey> yay
[17:16] <brobostigon> cool
[17:17] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[17:17] <AlanBell> you *have* to click the search link to the right of geographical position before submitting
[17:17]  * AlanBell is going to change that a bit
[17:18] <bigcalm> What's with the odd tab index?
[17:19] <bigcalm> Tab from Subtitle goes to e-mail
[17:19] <bigcalm> Skipping Description
[17:20]  * bigcalm awaits moderation
[17:25] <AlanBell> bigcalm: oops, can you try again
[17:26] <AlanBell> you put a pin on the map called "test map", which I just deleted and replace with one called "ubuntu uk"
[17:26] <bigcalm> :)
[17:26] <bigcalm> You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
[17:26] <bigcalm> ...
[17:29] <bigcalm> Did my submission not work?
[17:31] <AlanBell> hmm, no, just have the first one
[17:33] <AlanBell> I trashed your last one so it should let you post again
[17:33] <AlanBell> there is a standard wordpress flooding filter that you tripped
[17:41] <bigcalm> Nope, stopped me again
[17:44] <AlanBell> bother
[17:44] <AlanBell> timezones and things look right
[17:46] <bigcalm> No worries :)
[17:54] <bigcalm> http://www.angryflower.com/revolt.html # topical :)
[18:14] <dutchie> http://i.imgur.com/IoNRk.jpg
[18:29]  * davisc debates an intrepid to lucid upgrade
[18:31] <dwatkins> interesting, dutchie
[19:26] <jacobw> evening channel
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:34] <brobostigon> evening MartijnVdS
[19:35] <DJones> Good evening and welcome to the weekend
[19:35] <brobostigon> :)
[19:37]  * MartijnVdS listens to She & Him on vinyl
[19:39]  * DJones wonders if webpigeon_laptop needs faster typing skills to identify to login to freenode
[19:39]  * jacobw has a shiny new Nexus S
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> DJones: or better client config
[19:40] <webpigeon_laptop> DJones, nickserv is in league with my toaster, nether like me :P
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon_laptop: irssi? :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon_laptop: I have a piece of irssi config that makes talking to nickserv obsolete :)
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> (it works by supplying a username/password to the irc server on connect)
[19:41] <DJones> webpigeon_laptop: :)
[19:41] <webpigeon_laptop> MartijnVdS, xchat, it just fails to id on login sometimes :P
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> it just fails :P
[19:41] <webpigeon_laptop> My quassel deamon works better, I just don't have quassel client on this mashine :P
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> quassel, isn't that the routing software/
[19:42] <webpigeon_laptop> It's an irc server-client setup
[19:43] <webpigeon_laptop> The server runs on this mashine, the clients run on my laptop
[19:43] <webpigeon_laptop> it's just a pain to make it work over ssh (have to forward the port with -L first :|)
[19:44] <DJones> webpigeon_laptop: I use irssi & have no problem logging in  identifying
[19:44] <webpigeon_laptop> DJones, I used to use irssi but haven't in ages, the key bindings don't agree with me :P
[19:44] <DJones> same as you, i've got it running on a server inside screen & connect with ssh
[19:45] <webpigeon_laptop> My current setup is freenode->quassel-core->quassel-client || freenode->xchat
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> ah
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> confused it with quagga :)
[19:46] <webpigeon_laptop> :)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> oh well, qua*
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> quiet night here?
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> s/night/evening
[20:01] <DJones> Yep, people are probably in the pub/eating tea/collecting eggs
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> collecting eggs? Easter isn't for another 2 months at least
[20:12] <dwatkins> The shops already have a bunch of eggs anyways
[20:13] <DJones> Tell that to AlanBell
[20:13]  * AlanBell has eggs
[20:13] <Baikonur> i just had fajitas
[20:13] <ali1234> is the easter bunny supposed to actually *lay* those eggs, or does it just deliver them? if so, where do they come from?
[20:15] <ali1234> i mean santa has a proper backstory that is internally consistent but this easter bunny stuff just seems like it was thrown together
[20:16] <Baikonur> bunny is a symbol for fertility
[20:16] <Baikonur> as are eggs
[20:16] <brobostigon> ali1234: as a childrens story, told to children, i dont think its meant to be analised  logically like that.
[20:16] <Baikonur> it's a pagan fertility festival
[20:16] <DJones> ali1234: http://i.abimg.net/images/answers/41746/2547779/bunnyhen.jpg?1296775510a
[20:17] <DJones> I think that explains a lot
[20:38] <popey> AlanBell: you always have eggs!
[20:38] <popey> I had a wrap, which contained chicken!
[20:38] <popey> (no eggs were harmed in the making of my wrap)
[20:38]  * DJones is eating a chicken pie
[20:40] <jacobw> (but a chicken was)
[20:41] <popey> indeed
[20:43] <sgeh> hi
[20:43] <sgeh> is there an ubuntu channel for arabs?
[20:43] <DJones> !ar
[20:43] <AlanBell> nope!
[20:43] <Azelphur> haha
[20:43] <DJones> Wrong one
[20:43] <AlanBell> not there
[20:43] <DJones> !arabic
[20:44] <sgeh> interesting
[20:44] <sgeh> tanks
[20:45] <DJones> I wonder how somebody looking for an arabic ubuntu channel would join -uk? while using a shell
[20:45] <popey> maybe they are british?
[20:45] <popey> just a guess :)
[20:46] <DJones> True
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> DJones: because the UK is almost an arab state!</##politics> :P
[20:55] <popey> o_O
[20:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: Sorry, Wilders was in the news again
[20:59] <popey> :)
[21:02] <adampc> Loving the homepage #ubuntu-uk
[21:02] <adampc> ;)
[21:15] <adampc> Hi guys I have a problem upgrading to 10.10 :/ - Here is a screenshot of what it said when I tryed upgraded: http://i51.tinypic.com/2wqqqgm.png
[21:15] <adampc> Any help would be great, tanks.
[21:15] <adampc> upgrading*
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> adampc: did you do any of the suggested things that might have caused it?
[21:22] <SuperMatt> well it looks like you have an issue setting new software channels, so I would assume that maybe it's having difficulty with your /etc/apt/sources file
[21:22] <SuperMatt> remove anything in there that isn't part of a default install
[21:44] <adampc> Thanks guys :)
[21:51] <popey> no point
[21:51] <popey> the upgrade does that anyway
[22:35] <dogmatic69> could someone please help me with a ppa error, its driving me mad http://bin.cakephp.org/view/839219722
[22:37] <brobostigon> dogmatic69: i do believe the arduino  IDe is now inthe mainrepos, and you dont need a ppa anymore, i maybe wrong though.
[22:37] <brobostigon> !info arduino
[22:37] <brobostigon> spoton,
[22:37] <dogmatic69> im running it off git
[22:37] <dogmatic69> latest is 22 and i got an uno, so 18 does nothing
[22:37] <popey> dogmatic69: that ppa doesnt contain anything for maverick
[22:38] <popey> http://ppa.launchpad.net/arduino-ubuntu-team/ppa/ubuntu/dists/
[22:38] <dogmatic69> uno was released a few weeks back
[22:38] <popey> so you need to remove those lines from your sources
[22:38] <dogmatic69> i think it was added somehow.. need to 'remove' it
[22:38] <dogmatic69> i just installed ppa-purge but no dice
[22:39] <brobostigon> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.lst
[22:39] <brobostigon> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[22:39] <brobostigon> apt-get update
[22:39] <madman2021> hHey
[22:40] <popey> depends which sources file its in brobostigon
[22:40] <madman2021> Anyone care to help me with a LITTLE php ?
[22:40] <brobostigon> popey: good point, i am preuming.
[22:40] <popey> could be in /etc/apt/sources.list or in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[22:41] <brobostigon> true, yes.
[22:43] <dogmatic69> popey: should i just rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/arduino-ubuntu-team-ppa-maverick.list
[22:43] <dogmatic69> nothing in the first option
[22:43] <popey> yes
[22:44] <dogmatic69> cool
[22:46] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[22:46] <dogmatic69> \o/ think its working
[22:46] <dogmatic69> thanks popey / brobostigon
[22:46] <brobostigon> :)
[22:46] <popey> np
[22:46] <dogmatic69> where are you guys btw?
[22:47] <popey> I'm in farnborough
[22:47] <brobostigon> north oxfordshire.
[22:47] <brobostigon> banbury,
[22:47] <dogmatic69> far away then
[22:47] <dogmatic69> im in bham
[22:48] <brobostigon> iamnot faroff then.
[22:48] <brobostigon> me tired,
[22:49] <brobostigon> good night all, sleepwell.
[23:13] <dogmatic69> could anyone tell me if this is a decent setup to start with...
[23:13] <dogmatic69> i got ssh only login on my server, pw is disabled and rules in the iptables to ban with 4 bad tries in 60 seconds
[23:13] <dogmatic69> is there more i can do to make it better, or is that ok?
[23:29] <dutchie> dogmatic69: you can automate the iptables banning with fail2ban and/or denyhosts
[23:30] <dogmatic69> dutchie: its automatic atm, if you try login 4 times within 60 seconds you are banned
[23:30] <dutchie> yeah, but fail2ban/denyhosts require no iptables knowledge :)
[23:30] <dogmatic69> just looking through the logs, ive had about 20 attempts in total over 5 days
[23:31] <dutchie> root login disabled?
[23:31] <dogmatic69> think so
[23:32] <dogmatic69> i have something like this setup
[23:32] <dogmatic69> sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set --name SSH
[23:32] <dogmatic69> sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 8 --rttl --name SSH -j DROP
[23:32] <dogmatic69> but --hitcount 4
[23:32] <dutchie> if you want to be more paranoid, move ssh off port 22
[23:32] <dutchie> i have found that is more bother than it is worth though
[23:33] <zleap> you could simply open up a different port on the router and then port forward that to port 22 on the computer you are sshing in to
[23:33] <dogmatic69> o.o
[23:33] <dogmatic69> im a noob, that sounds like chines :D
[23:34] <zleap> ssh -o port number iirc
[23:34] <zleap> ssh -p port number iirc
[23:34] <zleap> 2nd one sorry
[23:34] <dogmatic69> ok, but then all my ssh aliases will be broken?
[23:34] <dutchie> use .ssh/config
[23:34] <zleap> ah
[23:35] <dogmatic69> i got things in config now
[23:36] <dogmatic69> would i just add :port then?
[23:36] <dutchie> Port 1234
[23:36] <dutchie> or whatever you choose
[23:39] <dogmatic69> i need to figure out this port stuff, wanna get my home box opened to the net so i can access it from work
[23:40] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: I started to try and understand iptables, then I discovered shorewall.
[23:40] <zleap> i just installed open ssh server then configured my routher to point to the rioght network ip addy and it works i can ssh from netbook to my computer at hpome of its on
[23:40] <dogmatic69> i can ssh if im on the wifi, but not from external
[23:41] <dogmatic69> got ssh server running
[23:41] <zleap> you need to config the routher then
[23:41] <zleap> router
[23:41] <dogmatic69> but when i tried to do the router i broke it
[23:41] <dogmatic69> :/
[23:41] <dogmatic69> redirect loops and stuff
[23:42] <NativeAngels> Hello
[23:43] <dogmatic69> o/
[23:45] <NativeAngels> Has anyone had experience of dell poweredge servers
[23:54] <dogmatic69> NativeAngels: more specific questions will get you some help
[23:54] <dutchie> though not necessarily, it is nearly midnight on a friday night
[23:54] <dutchie> people might have lives!


[00:00] <G5_> That’s good enough. Any idea where PPC users would go after that?
[00:00] <wxl> debian, maybe.
[00:01] <G5_> Oh, ok. That’s plenty long enough. I’m just trying to have some fun with my old dual core G5. Thanks
[00:13] <G5_> Sorry. One more. Where’s a trusted source for downloading the Mozilla 61.0.1 for 16.04.1 xenial package. Thanks.
[00:13] <wxl> the repos
[00:13] <wxl> `sudo apt update && sudo apt install firefox`
[00:13] <G5_> Ok thanks
[17:44] <qwebirc99591> So im trying the just released lubuntu 18.04.1 and it still doesn't recognize my second WD HDD, neither did lubuntu 18.04, but lubuntu 16.04 does
[17:44] <qwebirc99591> i also get something weird on dmesg http://pasteall.org/1040003
[17:46] <qwebirc99591> im thinking is probably something with the kernel becase i dont have this issue on other distros with linux 4.14
[17:47] <qwebirc99591> does anyone else had an issue like this?
[18:01] <qwebirc99591> brb
[18:27] <oerheks>  /set autojoin #lubuntu
[18:27] <tsimonq2> \o/ :D
[18:27] <oerheks> hi there, it is me, oerheks
[18:27] <tsimonq2> heya :D


[01:08] <apachelogger> blizzz: TBH, in order to fix stuff in KDE you just need to have a text editor, the knowledge how to use google and a lot of time ;-)
[01:08] <apachelogger> poking code with code snippets might not be very productive but certainly works :P
[01:08] <blizzz> apachelogger: my eyes are two big question marks
[01:08] <apachelogger> perfect
[01:09] <blizzz> what do you point at?
[01:09] <apachelogger> blizzz: whether C++ knowledge is still required for doing some Kubuntu magic
[01:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: I will sneak a patch to increase kopenwithdialog's reliability in my kde4libs upload
[01:11] <apachelogger> currently it creates KService objects using findByName, which fails for a lot of apps
[01:12] <persia> apachelogger, One doesn't need C++ to cherrypick, but it can help when upstream is inactive.  I know I learned it because I needed to port an app and upstream said "Oh, I'l probably get to it in a couple years".
[01:12] <blizzz> apachelogger: i will tell that as side note ;)
[01:13] <apachelogger> persia: yeah, I am learning C++ so I can rewrite KDE's help center one day :)
[01:13] <apachelogger> horrible application right now
[01:14] <persia> heh.  Best way to learn is to be motivated to fix something :)
[01:14] <apachelogger> blizzz: perfect, and recruit me some minions :P
[01:15] <blizzz> i don't even know what this word mean in german
[01:16] <blizzz> ah Diener
[01:16] <blizzz> get Carlos
[01:16] <apachelogger> lol
[02:10] <a|wen> where should icons for kde4 apps be put ... in /usr/share/icons/hicolor* or in someplace else also
[02:11] <a|wen> ?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> a|wen: #ubuntu-motu should be reasonably desktop-agnostic - but a lot of people don't know kdepackaging in there.
[02:20] <a|wen> Hobbsee: there seemed to be around the same amount of life (eg. chance of an answer) in both channels
[02:21] <Hobbsee> a|wen: that's true.  particularly depends on when you ask, too.
[02:21] <a|wen> he, true enough
[02:22] <persia> Doesn't KDE4 just look in the standard XDG locations for icons?
[02:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: depends on the icons really
[02:24] <apachelogger> the application's icon always goes to hicolor
[02:24] <a|wen> apachelogger: it is the applications main icon (to be seen in the application launcher)
[02:24] <apachelogger> icons which are only used/of use for the app itself usually go to share/kde4/apps/APPNAME/icons/
[02:24] <apachelogger> though they can as well go to hicolor
[02:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: hicolor then
[02:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: seems the application launcher doesn't pick them up though
[02:26] <apachelogger> a|wen: KDE 4 application?
[02:26] <a|wen> yeah ... kvkbd
[02:26] <apachelogger> hm
[02:27] <apachelogger> kquitapp plasma && plasma&
[02:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: i tried to logout/login again
[02:28] <apachelogger> hmmm
[02:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: are you sure the name in the desktop file matches the icon name?
[02:31] <a|wen> apachelogger: it does
[02:32] <apachelogger> very odd
[02:33] <apachelogger> a|wen: can you upload the icon and desktop file somewhere
[02:34] <a|wen> apachelogger: was just going to
[02:36] <a|wen-intrepid> apachelogger: the .desktop file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59091/
[02:38] <a|wen-intrepid> apachelogger: and this is the location of the icon files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59092/
[02:39] <apachelogger> a|wen: try a new user
[02:43] <a|wen> apachelogger: not any better :/
[02:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: uploaded kde4libs
[02:44] <apachelogger> a|wen: technically it should work, are the permissions of the icon files correct?
[02:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: 644 root:root in all cases (i suppose this is right)
[02:48] <apachelogger> meh
[02:48] <apachelogger> a|wen: no idea then
[02:48] <apachelogger> in theory it should be working
[02:50] <a|wen> apachelogger: strange ... it uses the icon to bounce up/down when i start the app; but can't display it still
[02:50] <apachelogger> hm, maybe a caching issue
[02:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: didn't we have a problem with the konversation icon not showing in certain cases?
[02:53] <apachelogger> that was due to konversation not being stored in /kde4
[02:54] <apachelogger> kvkbd on the other hand is
[02:55] <a|wen-intrepid> apachelogger: if i add konveration to favorites it doesn't show a correct icon <-- same for you?
[02:57] <a|wen-intrepid> i suppose this could be the reason for it:
[02:57] <Hobbsee> who sponsored the kdebase-workspace change?
[02:57] <a|wen-intrepid> wrong size -> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/konversation.png:   PNG image data, 31 x 31, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell!
[03:23] <vorian> evening
[03:27] <nixternal> evening to you as well good sir
[03:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: fix for that awaits approval
[03:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: okay ... then i'll stay away from that :)
[03:32]  * vorian thinks apachelogger never sleeps
[03:34] <apachelogger> sleep is overrated
[03:34]  * a|wen will go to sleep
[03:35] <vorian> ha
[03:35] <a|wen> i can sleep an hour extra for you apachelogger ;)
[03:35] <vorian> congrats on your membership a|wen :)
[03:35] <a|wen> thx vorian :)
[03:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: very nice, thank you ;-)
[03:36] <a|wen> night everyone, see you tomorrow
[03:36] <vorian> nn
[03:53] <nixternal> apachelogger: what is top of the agenda right now?
[03:54] <apachelogger> nixternal: getting lang packs fixed ;-)
[03:54] <apachelogger> and bug triage, as always
[03:55] <nixternal> do we have a list of "must fix now" bugs?
[04:00] <apachelogger> not really, just check out the once targeted for 8.10
[04:03] <nixternal> roger that
[04:57] <nixternal> kile in svn actually builds and runs
[04:58] <nixternal> impressive..however it is very rough
[04:58] <ScottK-palm> nixternal: How's your dbus?
[04:58] <nixternal> not as good as my udev or hal :P
[04:58] <nixternal> what's up?
[04:59] <nixternal> I have been up to my kneck writing some code around udev and hal for our appliance at work...what a headache that has been
[04:59] <ScottK-palm> There's a guidance-power-manager bug I could use some help on.
[04:59] <ScottK-palm> Back in a second with the number.
[05:00] <ScottK-palm> nixternal: Bug 277678
[05:00] <nixternal> ya, I get that damn thing all of the time...I can take a gander at that
[05:02] <ScottK-palm> I don't get that one.
[05:03] <nixternal> maybe this isn't the one I get...must be another 2.5 one that I have ignored for the time being as I have already commented on it
[05:03] <ScottK-palm> Which?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: your bugfix has been accepted, but has failed on lpia.
[05:07] <txwikinger> ichthux?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> as did ppx
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ppc
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:08] <Hobbsee> and sparc.
[05:08] <ScottK-palm> A lot of kde is broken on lpia and all of it on hppa.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK-palm: nah, it's a broken rules file
[05:09] <ScottK-palm> Ah.
[05:09] <txwikinger> hmm. I have to look into that then
[05:10] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: ah.  you don't have all the files for all the architectures in the source directory.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> you've got 4 desktop-<flavour>, but 6 live-recommends-<flavour>, and no mention of lpia anywhere
[05:10] <Hobbsee> etc
[05:11] <txwikinger> ok.. I will have a look
[05:11]  * txwikinger tries to figure out how to test userconfig within systemsettings
[05:15] <ScottK-palm> Hobbsee: Please beat nixternal with your stick until he fixes my Guidance bug.
[05:15] <ScottK-palm> See you all later.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:15] <Hobbsee> cya
[05:26] <nixternal> ScottK: looks like the GetAllProperties call in powermanage.py needs to be in a try: except:
[05:27] <nixternal> !pastebin
[05:32] <nixternal> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59141/
[06:14] <jussi01> rgreening: now you are a member, you get specialness like a cloak :)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> prepare to be spammed!
[06:31] <Hobbsee> another thing kubuntu has, but ubuntu doesn't by deafult.  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14514/
[07:14] <rgreening> 42
[07:14] <NCommander> rgreening, its 47 now once you correct for inflation
[07:15] <rgreening> lol
[07:15] <rgreening> It's the answer, but what it the question?
[07:15] <rgreening> Dirk Gently knows
[07:17] <rgreening> I lost you probably huh? Read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams)
[07:31] <NCommander> rgreening, no, I read it
[07:31] <NCommander> You didn't get the 47 ;-)
[07:31] <NCommander> In Star Trek, its the answer corrected for inflation
[07:52] <jussi01> Just finished my intrepid upgrade from hardy!
[07:52] <jussi01> worked suprisingly well considering I had all sorts of weird stuff installed, the kubuntu members repo etc
[11:08] <NCommander> Riddell, ping
[11:10] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[11:10] <Riddell> jussi01: any problems?
[11:12] <jussi01> Riddell: a few, x didnt start and I had to reconfigure and reinstall fglrx, lost all my konq bookmarks, (thank god for backups) and a few other configs
[11:14] <jussi01> Riddell: regarding bug 281808 - Ive added a whole lot of info and done some debugging with crimsun but still stumped on that.
[11:19] <Riddell> flash can be nasty
[11:19] <seaLne> interesting update-manager fails on my machine at home complaining about needing way too much disk space in /boot :(
[11:19] <NCommander> Riddell, can I steal you for an upload of linux-lpia in one or two hours?
[11:20] <seaLne> so unfortunatly not just a fluke at work
[11:22] <Riddell> seaLne: make sure you report a bug about that and attach /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[11:22] <seaLne> yeah just trying to find the bug i reported last time
[11:22] <seaLne> #264282
[11:23] <Riddell> then poke mvo politely
[11:25] <a|wen> crappy kde icon cache not updating itself ... that's why things doesn't seem to work right
[11:26] <a|wen> Riddell: i have an update to kvkbd including icons ready for you in 10 minutes? ... no more missing icons on a default kubuntu install
[11:31] <Riddell> a|wen: does smarter know?
[11:32]  * smarter waves
[11:32] <a|wen> hi smarter :)
[11:32] <smarter> what's your update?
[11:32] <a|wen> it's simply adding some icons to kvkbd
[11:32] <smarter> in the desktop file?
[11:32] <smarter> if so, I've fixed it in the svn
[11:33] <smarter> in fact, I may release Kvkbd 0.6 with tons of fixes today if the patch ossi sent me for apps-on-kdm work
[11:33] <a|wen> the desktop files already mentions icons ... but there isn't any installed or in the package
[11:33] <smarter> a|wen: shouldn't be needed, it uses an oxygen icon
[11:33] <smarter> (which is a standard fd.o icon name afaik)
[11:34] <a|wen> smarter: ahh, cool (that is someting new then, i suppose=
[11:34] <a|wen> ?
[11:34] <smarter> don't remember how it was in 0.5.99 :P
[11:34] <smarter> there's a package on my ppa if you want to test
[11:35] <a|wen> smarter: i'll give it a spin and see if it looks good :)
[11:37] <smarter> also, once 0.6 is released I'll try to plasmoidify Kvkbd :)
[11:39] <a|wen> uhh ... we also need a good keyboard for the touchscreens
[11:40] <smarter> well, kvkbd should work on touchscreens
[11:41] <a|wen> of course ... but it needs to be über-cool as well
[11:41] <smarter> that's why I make it a plasmoid :P
[11:41] <smarter> then we can have themes and stuff
[11:41] <smarter> and rotated keyboard \o/
[11:41] <smarter> (not sure if that word exists :p)
[11:42] <a|wen> just my point
[11:42] <a|wen> :)
[11:49] <a|wen> smarter: svn snapshop seems to look good ... if you have anything else you need tested regarding it, just throw a msg
[12:21] <mornfall> --> Seoul. Don't forget to hit on new Adept... ; - )
[12:23] <apachelogger> argh
[12:23] <apachelogger> does hunters are killin animals again
[12:24] <apachelogger> there goes the good mood
[13:18] <apachelogger> "write the root password down"
[13:18]  * apachelogger rofls
[13:18] <apachelogger> http://www.linux.com/feature/150427
[13:18] <apachelogger> kick ass
[13:20] <Riddell> that highlights why sudo is superior
[13:23] <apachelogger>  hm, "root password, a great security measure, one reason linux tends to be more secure than other operating systems"
[13:23] <apachelogger> something is wrong here
[13:24]  * apachelogger likes robin's videos
[13:24] <Riddell> opensuse has a tickbox on its installed now "set root password to same as user password"
[13:26] <apachelogger> 1:44 2nd video awesome statement
[13:28]  * a|wen wonders how they managed to make kde4 look so non-polished
[13:29] <apachelogger> just like suse did
[13:29]  * apachelogger is worrid about the install/remove issues in mandriva
[13:29]  * apachelogger rsyncs CD and checks intrepid
[13:31] <Riddell> install remove issues?
[13:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: watch the second video
[13:33] <a|wen> mandriva 2009 = wait till 2009, then we might have fixed it
[13:35]  * apachelogger is wondering how mandriva is making money with that kind fo issues :|
[13:35] <Riddell> what makes you think they make money?
[13:36] <apachelogger> the fact that they employ people :P
[13:36] <apachelogger> oh, rsync almost finished, time to start xvm
[13:37] <Riddell> wow, this is quite harsh
[13:42] <seele> hmm.. wonder what robertknight wanted
[13:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: why is ubiquity not using oxygen?
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: widget theme?  because nobody ported it to pykde
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: interestingly, it magically switches to oxygen theme by the end
[13:43] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:44] <apachelogger> needs to be done for jaunty
[13:44] <apachelogger> pretty weird looking
[13:45] <Riddell> yes, it's not hard at all, just takes somebody to do it
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's in a bzr branch?
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: lp:ubiquity I expect
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: and no it won't get into intrepid :)
[13:47] <apachelogger> I already exchanged the icons :P
[13:47] <Riddell> we miss the "log in automatically" tickbox that ubuntu has and I was never told about
[13:47] <apachelogger> makes it only halfbad
[13:47]  * Riddell watches apachelogger turn into a python programmer
[13:47] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, some german magazines consider autologin a security issue
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's a non-security feature surely
[13:48] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should include an image selector
[13:49] <Riddell> image selector?
[13:49] <apachelogger> now that KDM uses the user's image resource we could provide a selection already at installation
[13:50] <apachelogger> "user pic chooser"
[13:50] <Riddell> mm, that might be fun, so long as it doesn't get in the way
[13:51] <seele> apachelogger: user pic is a functional requirement in the new user admin tool
[13:51] <apachelogger> seele: user admin tool?
[13:51] <seele> i wonder if it would make sense to put the functionality in both places
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe a box like in systemsetttings -> about me
[13:51] <seele> apachelogger: yeah, TT was working with some UI designers and ME convinced them to do some pro bono work with KUP
[13:51] <apachelogger> oh, nice :D
[13:51] <seele> apachelogger: so they are designing a new KUser and i assume ME is going to find someone to implement it
[13:52] <seele> it's going slowly though, so probably not until 4.3, but it will exist eventually
[13:52] <seele> there is also an interest in a new kpackagekit ui ;P
[13:52] <Riddell> txwikinger was looking at user config porting
[13:52] <apachelogger> a lot of people were looking into porting
[13:52] <apachelogger> then again user config didn't work very well
[13:52] <Riddell> kpackagekit seems to have been added to the 4.2 feature plan
[13:56] <a|wen> it wasn't the best ... but at least the user config was better than the gnome/ubuntu equivalent IMO (missed functional group assignments totally)
[14:02] <apachelogger> ohhh
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubiquity has a static style defintion
[14:02] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot164.png
[14:02] <apachelogger> one line change
[14:08] <persia> Riddell, re: log-in-automatically : you'll want to get user-setup-apply (in user-setup) to work with kdm as a preliminary step, before trying to adjust ubiquity.
[14:10] <txwikinger> seele: If you need someone to implement it, I am interested
[14:19] <txwikinger> Hi blizzz
[14:21] <ScottK> nixternal: So you think the Guidance thing is yet another symptom of HAL gone missing (catching up from your paste of last night)?
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: mmm, really?
[14:23] <Riddell> persia: yeah I know
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell:         self.app = QApplication(['ubiquity', '-style=plastique'])
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: what would be the best way to start porting?
[14:25] <Riddell> it was forced to plastique I guess when pyqt-dbus didn't work with oxygen, they shouldn't affect it any more
[14:25] <Riddell> so that should be safe to fix, I guess you could ask evand and/or cjwatson if they have an opinion about letting that change in
[14:26] <Riddell> porting to pykde certainly won't get in intrepid but you just need to find a pykde template and copy over the bits
[14:27] <Riddell> KAboutData, kCmdLineargs, s/QApplication/KApplication/
[14:27]  * Riddell coming live from mandriva
[14:27] <Riddell> start openoffice -> crash screen
[14:29] <Riddell> I wonder why they don't use kickoff, they did in kde 3 times
[14:29] <Riddell> hey Sime, we're turning apachelogger into a pykde programmer :)
[14:29] <Sime> cool. and what is he going to do first?
[14:30] <Riddell> port ubiquity to pykde from pyqt
[14:31] <Sime> what does ubiquity do again?
[14:31] <Riddell> kubuntu installer
[14:31]  * Sime is busy with Marble Python bindings.
[14:31] <Riddell> that'll cause renewed calls for marble in ubiquity :)
[14:31]  * Riddell lunches
[14:36]  * txwikinger is looking for kcmshell4 documentation
[14:37] <a|wen> ScottK: i took a quick look at the  guidance bug ... you already have patched it to catch this exception; and it shouldn't be able to happen anymore (at least not with that exact backtrace, and all the duplicates had the same trace)
[14:40] <ScottK> a|wen: OK.  Thanks.  I guess the one comment that they still had the problem was likely someone who didn't have the current one then.
[14:40]  * ScottK decides to wait and see then.
[14:42] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah, i suppose so ... you could throw a comment, that if he still gets an apport popup, we would like him to complete it to get his traceback
[14:51] <apachelogger> hm
[14:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: how do I debug ubiquity?
[14:52] <apachelogger> not very chatty that app
[14:52] <NCommander> apachelogger, very painfully
[14:53] <apachelogger> oh noes
[14:53]  * apachelogger should have ported it to ruby first :P
[14:59] <txwikinger> well python has a logger library
[14:59] <apachelogger> how to use that?
[15:01] <txwikinger> import it and set it up
[15:01] <txwikinger> then you can put log statements in the code
[15:03] <txwikinger> apachelogger: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-logging.html
[15:03] <txwikinger> apachelogger: http://www.red-dove.com/python_logging.html
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Just upgraded the kid's computer to KDE 3.5.10 with no problems.
[15:13] <ScottK> a|wen: Mentioning the maintainer change in debian/changelog is not needed.  It's actually actively discouraged these days.
[15:16] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... i just use the update-maintainer script from ubuntu-dev-tools, thinking that was current policy
[15:16] <ScottK> a|wen: Grab the one from Intrepid.  It won't do that.
[15:16] <ScottK> Not a big deal.  Just FYI.
[15:18] <a|wen> ScottK: okay, it is a rather recent change ... i'll just delete the entries in the changelog from now on
[15:50] <nixternal> ScottK: yes, seems like HAL may be missing, or it is making the wrong DBus call
[15:51] <ScottK> nixternal: a|wen looked at it some more and he thinks it won't get there anymore if HAL is missing.  If it's the wrong DBus call though ...
[15:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Any idea what a right one would be?
[15:52] <nixternal> I would have to take a look a little more which I can do
[16:18] <nixternal> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method"FindDeviceByCapability" with signature "s" on interface "org.freedesktoph.Hal.Manager" doesn't exist
[16:18] <nixternal> looks like the problem is deeper
[16:21] <nixternal> heh, I found out the problem...I can't type
[16:21] <nixternal> but if I debug while up, it doesn't crash out
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: yay
[17:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: ubiquity outputs to /var/log/installer/something or /var/log/syslog
[17:15] <claydoh> am I reading this right:http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10-updates
[17:15] <claydoh> 3.5.10 in Intrepid's
[17:16] <Riddell> no in hardy
[17:16] <claydoh> "The latest KDE 3 bug-fix release 3.5.10 has moved to the updates section of Kubuntu 8.10."
[17:18] <claydoh> I am sure there are couple of mail list/forum posters who might get a bit excited over that :)
[17:18] <Riddell> claydoh: fixed
[17:19] <Riddell> yes, they might get the wrong message
[17:19] <claydoh> :)
[17:19] <Riddell> claydoh: did you see the meeting yesterday?
[17:19] <claydoh> I am catching up on that now :)
[17:19] <claydoh> from logs
[17:20]  * claydoh apoolgizes for having to work :) it always gets in  my way
[17:23] <claydoh> I am making a list of questions/concerns I have picked up
[17:23] <claydoh> but very little yet on upgrade issues as not many have done that yet
[17:24] <claydoh> I haven't yet as my hardy box is still dead
[17:28] <jussio1> *cry* my upgraded system has pretty much died... wonder what I did wrong...
[17:29] <Tm_T> awww
[17:29] <jussio1> Tm_T: most programs dont start, Im lucky to have konsole
[17:31] <Tm_T> ouch
[17:31] <Tm_T> jussio1: well I'm in between of trunk and 4.1.2 so some stuff isn't working right
[17:35] <jussi01> Tm_T: I figured out what it was. soon as I installed gtk-qt-engine, everything went beserk.
[17:37] <Tm_T> ouch
[17:56] <apachelogger> hm
[17:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: The KDE libraries are not designed to run with suid privileges.
[17:56] <apachelogger> could that be the problem?
[17:56] <apachelogger> it's quitting right after that :S
[18:14] <apachelogger> interesting enough that nothing in usr/*/ubiquity got a +s
[18:21] <apachelogger> the good news is, adding and removing xchat actually works on kubuntu :D
[18:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: huh?  we have lots of apps that run as root
[18:27] <Riddell> it works in mandriva too for me
[18:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: that output is uber strange, according to my research a normal user couldn't start an app if it got +s
[18:27] <apachelogger> works as sudo
[18:28] <apachelogger> thing is, I even start ubiquity from a root prompt
[18:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: according to strace it exists right after it writes that suid warning
[18:32] <apachelogger> open("/root/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[18:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:33] <apachelogger> seriously
[18:34] <apachelogger> something is very very very very very wrong here
[18:35] <apachelogger> I just -R 777'ed .kde
[18:35] <apachelogger> still permission denied
[19:09] <yuriy> apachelogger: don't know what the conversation is about, but is selinux or similar (apparmor?) enabled? that can cause weird permissions problems
[21:57] <Riddell> anyone tried the new language packs?
[22:02] <smarter> Riddell: they should fix the missing i18ns?
[22:07] <Riddell> smarter: hope so
[22:07] <smarter> cool :)
[22:07] <smarter> I'll test tomorrow and report back here the results
[22:08] <smarter> the French team have achieved 100% localized strings, so it should be easily noticable :)
[22:26] <txwikinger> KDE needs some better documentation!
[22:27] <Riddell> txwikinger: I'm sure the docs team would glady accept your help :)
[22:27] <txwikinger> I was asking for that, right?
[22:28] <txwikinger> Well.. if I figure it out, I will document it :D
[22:28] <Riddell> nixternal: a volunteer for you!
[22:46] <a|wen> Riddell: yay ... the new lang-packs has a lot more danish translations in kde :)
[22:48] <Riddell> phew
[22:50] <a|wen> we were getting awfully close to release
[22:54]  * a|wen wonders why it is so hard getting the right things to crash once the -dbg package is installed
[22:54] <txwikinger> I had hoped KDE4 would survive my stress tests better than KDE3.. so far I do not see a difference
[22:55] <txwikinger> Re-login took 25 mins with load of >100
[22:56] <txwikinger> I think my expectations are too high
[23:07] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I have a nice bug for you Bug #285668 :D


[14:50] <cmaloney> Morning
[14:50] <cmaloney> If only for an hour longer
[15:06] <rick_h_> wheee
[17:04] <rick_h_> afternoon
[17:24] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Finally back here in the States?
[17:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, back last night so time to get settled
[17:28] <rick_h_> https://goo.gl/photos/JzkmHiGDNZNHPkKv8
[17:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: ^ :)
[17:29] <rick_h_> came in while I was away
[17:29] <cmaloney> Yeah, you mentioned that. :)
[17:30] <rick_h_> oh heh, /me is giddy
[17:30] <cmaloney> Can't tell if excited or not. ;)
[21:24] <cmaloney> Lawns. Hooh. Good God Yawl. What are they good for? Absolutely nothin'
[21:24] <cmaloney> Wooooooo!


[20:05] <atamira> morning. another lovely day in auckland. a chill in the air but that will warm up before you know it
[20:11] <ibeardslee> morning, looks like it could be a good day in Welly. Sadly I have an inside job, plus inside job gets me learning Puppet (v4) today.
[20:12] <ibeardslee> so I can rewrite our puppet 3 config for workstations and laptops following best practise rather than "Ian made it work this way"


[09:27] <kidar> hi, i need help setting up a classroom with edubuntu
[09:28] <alkisg> kidar: hi, ask your questions, and if someone knows the answer, he will probably answer.
[09:33] <kidar> i have managed to setup a server using ltsp. created a user and managed to logon using thin client. now i need to setup the server so that the teacher can monitor the thin clients
[09:34] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install italc-master
[09:34] <alkisg> That should do it... italc.sourceforge.net is the program web page, if you want to read more
[09:35] <kidar> will it work with edubuntu 10.04?
[09:35] <alkisg> Yes
[09:35] <alkisg> (unless you hit any bugs, e.g. on a specific lab it used to crash on me every few seconds - on other labs it worked fine for years)
[09:35] <kidar> do i need to install anything for the thin clients? this is a first for me so pls dont be annoyed with the questions
[09:36] <alkisg> No. Just install italc-master and ensure that the teacher is in the admin group,
[09:36] <alkisg> then logoff / logon the teacher, and then logon the user
[09:36] <alkisg> It should automatically be able to monitor the user, and even take control of his screen
[09:37] <kidar> in the new version of edubuntu under add programs there is a program called controlaula
[09:38] <kidar> when u say teacher u mean i need to create another user as a teacher and use that user to logon to the server?
[09:38]  * alkisg doesn't like controlaula at all, it's very non-professional
[09:39] <alkisg> About the teacher, yes, something like that
[09:39] <alkisg> The teacher accound needs to be a member of the admin group
[09:39] <alkisg> The default account you created as part of the installation can be used as well
[09:39] <alkisg> (it's already in the admin group)
[09:40] <alkisg> Just remember to logoff/logon after installing italc
[09:41] <kidar> ok, will try that. now for creating users (the children accounts) how would i do that, meaning i want to give them access for now only to the education stuff and office?
[09:43] <kidar> one question how would i be abl to setup thin clients and normal pc to logon to the same server
[09:43] <alkisg> What do you mean "normal pcs to logon to a server"?
[09:43] <alkisg> Have you done that somehow?
[09:43] <alkisg> (e.g. with LDAP?)
[09:44] <kidar> see i have the edubuntu server setup with ltsp
[09:44] <alkisg> To create users, just use the gnome users-admin program
[09:45] <kidar> now i want other pcs in the class room which are not thin clients to be monitored by the same server
[09:45] <alkisg> You can install italc on them too
[09:45] <kidar> regarding users how can u prevent them from deleting programs of the server?
[09:46] <alkisg> They can't, they don't have the rights
[09:46] <alkisg> If you create a normal user from the gnome users-admin dialog (and not an administrator), then that user cannot delete programs
[09:47] <kidar> ok
[09:47] <kidar> would the dhcp running for ltsp give out an IP to a normal pc on the same network?
[09:48] <alkisg> Yes
[09:48] <alkisg> Unless you use 2 NICs on the edubuntu server
[09:49] <alkisg> One for the thin clients and another for your existing network
[09:49] <alkisg> But you can also use your existing dhcp server and remove the one from edubuntu
[09:49] <kidar> i do, one is setup for the the ltsp and the other is on my internet network
[09:50] <alkisg> Then your dhcp server will only be used for the card with IP=<IP_ADDRESS> (or the one you specify)
[09:52] <kidar> is there a way of also managing the thin clients ?
[09:53] <alkisg> What do you mean "managing"?
[09:53] <kidar> i mean for the classroom should i be doing anything else?
[09:56] <alkisg> I can't think of anything
[09:57] <kidar> ok 1 more question, firstly thank u very much for italc u are great
[09:58] <kidar> no i need to know whether italc works on both nics or only one
[09:59] <kidar> because i just ran it on the server and now it picks up my laptop which is on the internet nic
[09:59] <alkisg> It runs on both
[09:59] <alkisg> So you can manage both thin clients and normal pcs
[09:59] <kidar> will it pick up the thin clients(ltsp) on the other
[09:59] <alkisg> (and even windows pcs)
[10:00] <kidar> great u r a star. do u know by the way if there is a version out in zulu. on sunday i went to a rural community center where they have some old pcs and 1 new one thought i could load edubuntu there
[10:02] <alkisg> I've no idea about zulu
[10:03] <kidar> just by the way, i am based in durban south africa, going to do 3 schools here, so if i can be of some help, i would not mind
[10:06] <alkisg> Nice - I think highvoltage is from africa as well - I'm from Greece myself.
[10:06] <alkisg> You may want to check about the new fat client support in 10.04 too
[10:07] <alkisg> (instead of maintaining normal PCs, you boot those from the ltsp server too but as fat clients, not thin)
[10:07] <kidar> meaning, i am still new
[10:08] <kidar> where do i find help on the fat clients? booting from them will use less resource from the ltsp server correct?
[10:09] <alkisg> It would use the local client CPU + RAM
[10:09] <alkisg> What are your client specs?
[10:09] <alkisg> How much RAM do they have, and what CPUs?
[10:11] <kidar> the clients are acer, p4 3.0ghz, 512
[10:11] <kidar> they all have hard drives
[10:12] <alkisg> Yeah they'd work better as fat clients than as thin
[10:12] <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
[10:13] <alkisg> And if they have a local swap partition, also put USE_LOCAL_SWAP=True in lts.conf
[10:16] <kidar> do i need to install ubuntu on the fat clients?
[10:18] <kidar> the current config of the clients is windows xp at the moment, i just took away the server, which has pf 3.0ghz 1gig ram and 250gig sata hd
[10:19] <kidar> the class room has 24 pcs, so going to purchase additonal 3gig to make 4
[10:19] <alkisg> No, you don't need to install ubuntu on the fat clients
[10:19] <alkisg> Your setup is similar to what we use here in greece
[10:20] <alkisg> Do your clients support "boot from network"?
[10:20] <alkisg> (if they have onboard cards, usually yes, but if they have pci cards, usually not)
[10:20] <kidar> i guess so :) as they are p4's with on board nics
[10:21] <kidar> i have another school that has pci cards and they are using win98 curently
[10:22] <alkisg> I guess those would work best as thin clients
[10:22] <kidar> the pci cards are realtek, but need to check the bios i guess as these are old pcs p4 1.6ghz
[10:22] <alkisg> I put grub4dos on our windows 98 labs, and load gpxe so that they can boot from network without using a floppy / cd etc
[10:23] <alkisg> For windows 2000/XP/Vista labs we even developed a tool based on the debian installer, which again puts a "boot from network" option in the windows bootloader
[10:24] <kidar> talk to me maybe i should do what u did, did u remove ur windows xp?
[10:24] <alkisg> No we don't touch them at all, except for the boot loader
[10:25] <alkisg> So any teacher that needs to work on XP can do so. So most of our labs are dual boot, windows + ltsp
[10:25] <kidar> i will be very glad to do the same here
[10:26] <alkisg> We even developed an italc replacement that lets us manage thin + fat client labs, but currently it's in greek only - we will internationalize it after 2 years. http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots
[10:26] <alkisg> Here's the boot manager for 2000/XP/Vista (it's not working on windows 98 nor on windows 7): http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2136.0;attach=1617
[10:27] <alkisg> For the windows 98 labs, the easiest way is to use a floppy from: http://rom-o-matic.net/gpxe/gpxe-1.0.0/contrib/rom-o-matic/build.php
[10:29] <kidar> downloade first one.
[10:29] <kidar> so with the win 98 i need to boot using the floppy?
[10:30] <alkisg> There's another way, with grub4dos
[10:30] <kidar> go for it, i am open to all the suggestions
[10:31] <alkisg> Here's a google translation of a how-to I wrote a while back: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.sch.gr%2Falkisg%2Ftosteki%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D1451.0&sl=auto&tl=en
[10:32] <alkisg> (you only need that how-to for windows 98, not for xp)
[10:33] <kidar> very nicely done.
[10:34] <kidar> may i ask what do u do in greece
[10:35] <alkisg> I'm a teacher, but I'm also in charge of deploying LTSP in greek schools
[10:36] <alkisg> So I joined the LTSP development team a while back, helped in fat clients implementation, wrote 2-3 ltsp installation manuals in greek, developed sch-scripts etc
[10:36] <kidar> nice, u teach IT/ Linux i guess
[10:37] <alkisg> I'm teaching in secondary schools, so nothing fancy - some openoffice, some web, a little programming in logo...
[10:37] <alkisg> (IT teacher, yeah)
[10:38] <kidar> i have my own IT company, worked for UNHCR in the IT section for 12yrs ,now on my own like ubuntu and want to roll it out to s many people schools, etc as i can
[10:39] <kidar> tell me can u send the file grubpxe.zip here. i am having a problem downloading from ur page
[10:39] <alkisg> Heh I forgot I also wrote that how-to in english: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
[10:40] <alkisg> Just click on that link: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1451.0;attach=830
[10:41] <kidar> done. so are u always here?, as u have solved 99% of my problems :)
[10:42] <alkisg> :)
[10:42] <alkisg> I usually am, but I hope to be away for the next 2 years to finish a phd that I've started
[10:42] <alkisg> I like it here too much though so I don't know if I'll be able to stay away for long :P
[10:43] <kidar> goning to ask u a really silly question, in edubuntu they say they have stuff from primary to tertiary, where do u find this info. i have loaded it but what do i use?
[10:44] <kidar> u are an asset here
[10:44] <alkisg> Educational programs usually are in the Applications > Education menu
[10:47] <kidar> yeh i know but nothin to point ot secondary or primary. anyway now i am going to test all that u helped me with.
[10:48] <alkisg> There's "edubuntu menus" to separate different groups
[10:48] <alkisg> OK, give all this a go and if you have any problems you can always come back :)
[10:49] <kidar> i actuall have it installed on my laptop as the only os
[10:49] <kidar> thx once again will be back to let u know how it went
[11:05] <test_> hi it is kidar again
[11:06] <test_> when i booted my laptop using thin client, the italc did not pick the laptop
[11:07] <test_> hi alkisg it is kidar we chatted just now
[11:07] <alkisg> Hi
[11:08] <alkisg> So you installed italc-master on the ltsp server, logged off, then logged back on with a user that is in the admin group, and then booted your laptop as a thin client, and it doesn't see it?
[11:08] <test_> yeh
[11:09] <alkisg> Did you login on the thin client?
[11:09] <alkisg> A user needs to logon before italc sees it...
[11:09] <test_> the server saw the laptop when it was on the internet nic eth1 now i am connected to eth0
[11:09] <test_> yep, i am chatting to u from the thin client :)
[11:09] <test_> server is right next to me
[11:10] <alkisg> italc is a little difficult to troubleshoot when it's not working out of the box, so to make it a little faster as I don't have too much time, can I help you with vnc instead?
[11:11] <test_> ok
[11:11] <alkisg> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[11:11] <alkisg> x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
[11:12] <test_> on server?
[11:12] <alkisg> Whatever :)
[11:12] <alkisg> (all apps are running on the server anyway so it doesn't make much difference)
[11:16] <test_> downloaded x11vnc, how do u connect to u?
[11:16] <alkisg> (01:11:21 μμ) alkisg: x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
[11:17] <test_> i get a screen saying select x11vnc port
[11:18] <alkisg> Run the above command from a terminal
[11:18] <alkisg> Applications > Accessories > gnome terminal, and type the following command:
[11:18] <alkisg> x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
[11:19] <test_> done
[11:20] <test_> r u in?
[11:20] <alkisg> yup
[11:23] <alkisg> test_: x11vnc has some keyboard problems, can you press "|" there?
[11:27] <test_> do u want me to start italc
[11:28] <test_> ok u did someting:)  so what was wrong?
[11:28] <alkisg> Nope, I didn't do anything
[11:29] <alkisg> I was just checking and everything looked ok so I just ran italc
[11:29] <test_> then :) some ghost
[11:29] <test_> i ran italc from the applications system tools
[11:30] <alkisg> I don't know, I didn't do anything, I just ran the same thing from the command line.
[11:31] <alkisg> OK, back to my phd... :)
[11:31] <test_> yeh, will restart and hopefully all will work.
[11:31] <test_> will let u know
[12:11] <kidar> hi alkisg, its working now. no idea why it did not initially. thx for all the help Kidar.
[12:12] <alkisg> Good to know :)
[12:12] <kidar> going to take a break now :)