[02:47] <Arkhawgs> anyone available to help a noob with some connectivity issues?
[19:36] <bss03> Connectivity?


[02:13] <silkairways> Hello friends
[02:13] <silkairways> I found something interesting with my inquiry from yesterday
[02:16] <silkairways> I chose save session and shut down when i restarted the session only opened the web browser back up the apps that were open did not own automatically is this normal?
[02:17] <Eickmeyer> To be honest, I don't know. The folks in #xubuntu might know.
[02:17]  * Eickmeyer doesn't use that feature
[02:20] <silkairways> Okay perhaps i will ask there thank you friend
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> You're welcome. :)
[03:25] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: FYI, there is a setting to restore last session.
[03:27] <OvenWerks> settings->session and startup->general
[03:28] <OvenWerks> There are two check boxes (it has changed since I last looked) Automatically save session and the display session chooser (I think).
[03:28] <OvenWerks> I don't know if the session chooser needs to be there or if it will default to last session.
[03:29] <OvenWerks> It is possible to save several sessions and choose between them as well. I thought that was a neat idea but then found that I never use it...
[03:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> silkairways: ^
[03:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: he had already left :(
[03:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Strange. I don't see a part message (those show on Matrix as well).
[03:59] <OvenWerks> 19:49 -!- silkairways<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [Quit: I am leaving now ! BYE]
[03:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[03:59] <OvenWerks> :)
[04:47] <studio-user267> OI
[07:14] <m8w> And I am trying to find out what ubuntu studio version I am using but IDK where to do that ,,, I looked lots of places and figure it is an easy enough question that makes me wonder why I can't find it using just what is at hand.. anyway help?
[07:16] <m_ad[m]> to find out which version of ubuntu you're running just open a terminal and type lsb_release -a
[07:17] <m_ad[m]> first hit on google
[07:23] <m8w> thanks   for the lsb_release -a   that worked :)
[07:23] <m_ad[m]> you're welcome
[10:15] <studiobot> b_muhammad was added by: b_muhammad
[11:20] <studio-user693> Hi, multimedia keys of my Adura Wireless Multimedia Keyboard Trust do not work in my ubuntustudio 19.04 fresa
[11:20] <studio-user693> ...sorry...fresa
[11:22] <studio-user693> ....fresh install. They used to work in previous versions out of the box. Any suggestion to make tremenda working? Thansk
[13:32] <sakrecoer> finally got arround setting up my DAW environement. And i am so lost in the "new way" of things lol
[13:33] <sakrecoer> i'm using my faithful teratec phase88 with firewire. and oh joy, it is now detected out of the box, without having to blacklist alsa FW drivers
[13:33] <sakrecoer> however, the Studio controls are puzzling me
[13:34] <sakrecoer> when i click "start or restart jack" the "autostart jack at session start" is checked.
[13:34] <sakrecoer> and it stops jack alright, but it doesn't restart it
[13:35] <sakrecoer> i used to be able to route audio coming from the FW card to the computer speakers, but that doesn't seem to work anymore.
[13:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> sakrecoer: That was intentionally done by OvenWerks so that it would remember exactly how you left the configuation if you restart. Hitting "Stop Jack" unchecks that. However, yes, you're correct, it's confusing.
[13:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, he's working on some firewire stuff as well.
[13:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Routing can be done with Carla or Patchage.
[13:36] <sakrecoer> wouldn't "apply audio settings" do that: "save things exactly as i left them?"
[13:36] <sakrecoer> so, if i stopp jack, it wont remember my settings?
[13:37] <sakrecoer> carla is another mystery...
[13:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> I think "apply audio settings" makes changes to an already-running Jack.
[13:37] <sakrecoer> it sits nice on my desktop. But..... how do i add things to it lol
[13:37] <sakrecoer> oh wait, there are 2 carlas
[13:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> If you "Stop Jack" it will change everything back to the default setup, as in no Jack, audio is through Pulse.
[13:38] <sakrecoer> aha. thats cool! :)
[13:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> You need "Carla" not "Carla Control". Carla Control is for controlling it via OSC.
[13:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Carla is really easy. Click "Add Plugin" and you can select from the vast list of plugins. It, by default, treats each plugin as a spearate instance for Jack.
[13:39] <sakrecoer> cool!
[13:39] <sakrecoer> it seems it "failed to start engine on first try"
[13:40] <sakrecoer> start or restart jack has absolutely no effect in my setup... i'm gonna try reboot
[13:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes.
[13:41] <sakrecoer> oh... hehe "reboot" has no effect either lol
[13:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks might not be up yet. I'm up unusually early today for no reason whatsoever.
[13:43] <sakrecoer> :)
[13:44] <sakrecoer> after reboot, carla got back in the game...
[13:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> \o/
[13:44] <sakrecoer> i'm puzzled about the new way of the pusle volume control...
[13:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's odd. We didn't make any changes to the panel/default volume control.
[13:45] <sakrecoer> it doesn't show anything... only a "dummy output" in the output devices..
[13:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Okay, that means the Jack - Pulse bridge isn't running.
[13:45] <sakrecoer> for instance, when you start firefox, it would show there and you could chose where it would be output under it...
[13:46] <sakrecoer> now it shows the firefox thing but no way to chose output... (well right now it doen't show anything tbh)
[13:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Jack - Pulse bridge isn't running is what that tells me.
[13:47] <sakrecoer> weird... that's straight after reboot... it seems like jack was running, but no sign of it in there...
[13:48] <sakrecoer> i'll just give it another reboot. Maybe the audio card got hung up
[13:48] <sakrecoer> again, rebooting from the menu is not feasible
[13:48] <sakrecoer> sudo reboot does it though
[13:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> The way OvenWerks set it up, after reboot, it should remember however Jack was last set and reapply the settings.
[13:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, strange that reboot isn't working from the menu.
[13:49]  * Eickmeyer[m] has had no problem with that at all.
[13:51] <sakrecoer> it would seem changing the settings in ubuntustudio control has broken my pulse audio...
[13:51] <sakrecoer> it doesn't recover after reboot.
[13:52] <sakrecoer> i'll just try different settings
[13:52] <sakrecoer> :)
[13:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, something doesn't seem right. If reboot isn't working from the menu, something tells me you've got a lot of broken things.
[13:54] <sakrecoer> tryed to "connect other internal audio interfaces" but that didn't do it...
[13:54] <sakrecoer> acral will show me sound in the vue, until i click anything in control
[13:54] <sakrecoer> carla even
[13:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sadly, I don't know the exact internals. I just know that it works perfectly on my system as intended. It's important to remember that Controls doesn't show what is currently running, it only configures what gets applied with that "start/restart" button.
[13:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> You haven't, by chance, ever run "Cadence" from KXStudio, have you?
[13:54] <sakrecoer> no
[13:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Reason I'm asking is because a lot of your issues sound like what happens when people run Cadence. It takes-over Pulse's configuration pretty badly.
[13:55] <sakrecoer> on reboot it would seem like carla thinks jack is running, but qtjackctl says it isn't...
[13:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> And, yes, if anything is done in ubuntustudio-controls, Carla pretty much has to be restarted.
[13:55] <sakrecoer> ah good to know
[13:56] <sakrecoer> didn't help to restart carla...
[13:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> As would anything running on top of Jack.
[13:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Does qjackctl show Jack running?
[13:56] <sakrecoer> i suppose i would wish us-controls would show me if it is running or not..
[13:57] <sakrecoer> no qtjackctl shows stopped. but trying to start it from there isn't working either.
[13:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's already work-in-progress.
[13:57] <sakrecoer> awesome!
[13:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> You said your system runs firewire?
[13:58] <sakrecoer> yes
[13:58] <sakrecoer> i can pick my card in controls
[13:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> That might explain it. Some stuff got blacklisted in the kernel for whatever reason. That's another thing OvenWerks is working on.
[13:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Some genius thought it would be a good idea to blacklist support for firewire audio devices.
[13:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> Upstream.
[13:59] <sakrecoer> it used to be the only way to run it lol
[13:59] <sakrecoer> blacklisting all alsa FW
[14:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep, but we found out recently that doesn't work.
[14:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> That Alsa FW has actually come a long way.
[14:00] <sakrecoer> now if i do that (that which i used to do) it doen't work. But it does detect the card now without those blacklistings which it doesnt
[14:00] <sakrecoer> wow..
[14:00] <sakrecoer> weird sentence sorry
[14:01] <sakrecoer> interesting...
[14:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unfortunately, I only have USB interfaces, so I can't be of much help here. All I know is that we did run into an issue with FW recently.
[14:01] <sakrecoer> controls will stopp my jack, ican see that in qtjackctl, but not restart it
[14:02] <sakrecoer> i can start it from qtjackctl
[14:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> QJackCtl might need a restart if Jack is started from Controls.
[14:02] <sakrecoer> no worries Eickmeyer[m]
[14:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> It expects to be one to start Jack, so it doesn't even bother trying to see if something else is starting it.
[14:03] <sakrecoer> i find it easier to debug if i can be add --verbose to myself :D
[14:03] <sakrecoer> not expecting anyone to assist me, although, i'd appreciate any help of course :)
[14:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right.
[14:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> This is definitely the kind of thing OvenWerks could use help on in -devel when he's okay to work on it again.
[14:08] <sakrecoer> that was my thoguht about my wetware --verbose flag: maybe someone will pick something usefull up in my ramblings :D but it felt more suitable in the support channel
[14:08] <sakrecoer> also, sometimes by "saying" stuff "out loud" i realize things
[14:09]  * sakrecoer sings "kuckoo kuckoo" on a tree
[14:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> hahaha
[14:12] <sakrecoer> hmm... unchecking the "auto start jack on session start" isn't saved... so now it walwys start on session start
[14:13] <sakrecoer> after a restart, pulse can see my FW card, but not qtjackctl
[14:13] <sakrecoer> calra starts and its vu shows me audio...
[14:14] <sakrecoer> i can connect the output to the system output, which is progress :D but i would like to connect it to my FW card
[14:14] <sakrecoer> hmm... the settings differ in qtjack and controls...
[14:15] <sakrecoer> maybe that is why... qtjack has 259 Frames/period, control has 512
[14:17] <sakrecoer> one issue sorted: reboot didn't work because carla is quitely asking me if i want to save before quit
[14:18] <sakrecoer> which i would've been gratefull for in other circumstances
[14:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Remember, Controls is simply configuration. It does not necessarily indicate (with the checkboxes) what that configuration is.
[14:19] <Eickmeyer[m]> sakrecoer: Have you seen the wiki page I made about Controls?
[14:20] <sakrecoer> no i haven't :)
[14:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-controls
[14:22] <sakrecoer> cheers Eickmeyer[m]
[14:24] <sakrecoer> i'm so lost lol :D if i use the "firewire" driver in the qtjackctl settings, i can connect my firewire input to PulseAudio Jack source...
[14:24] <sakrecoer> but then.... how do i connect PulseAudio Jack source to the speakers?
[14:25] <sakrecoer> say the computer speakers... am i being naiv thinking that should be possible somewhere?
[14:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Was qjackctl doing it for you before?
[14:27] <sakrecoer> i'm not sure anymore... But the way i remember is that i would go to the PA Volume Control, and under the Jack Sink somewhere in there, i could pick an output from the system
[14:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> I see. I've never been able to use that with Jack running.  I know what you
[14:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> 're talking about.
[14:33] <sakrecoer> oh... i can play firefox alright, but the sound is being intermitently muted
[14:33] <sakrecoer> like a square waveform LFO on the volume lol
[14:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> If the bridge is checked in Controls, it should automatically route all system sounds to the sink.
[14:34] <sakrecoer> bridge is checked...
[14:34] <sakrecoer> also autostart, dang it
[14:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Okay, that's unusual behavior, and sounds like a hardware issue. :open_mouth:
[14:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Again, that autostart does not necessarily mean it was set to start at login.
[14:34] <sakrecoer> well.... itonly happens when jack is running
[14:35] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, because he set it to leave Jack in whatever state it was in if the computer is restarted.
[14:35] <sakrecoer> interesting everything is deconnected in Jack, but the broken sound from firefox is comming through
[14:36] <sakrecoer> so where do i control the settings for my system audio?
[14:36] <sakrecoer> like, where do i route it?
[14:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> In my experience, if any change is made to the sound configuration (Jack running/not running), anything that makes sound has to be restarted.
[14:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Otherwise I've had unexpected behavior.
[14:37] <sakrecoer> it's freshly rebooted...
[14:37]  * Eickmeyer switches to actual IRC
[14:37] <sakrecoer> i didn't do any changes to settings... except disconnecting everything in jack
[14:39] <sakrecoer> oh! and now i have that button in PA volume control again
[14:39] <sakrecoer> where i can chose where the sound is going
[14:39] <sakrecoer> i can even chose my firewire...
[14:39] <sakrecoer> :O
[14:39] <sakrecoer> but jack is NOT running...
[14:40] <Eickmeyer> That's expected. It sound like Pulse is handling everything now. If Jack is running, all routing must be done with Jack, not with the volume control which is a Pulse control only.
[14:40] <sakrecoer> connnecting it to firewire and sounds come through
[14:40] <sakrecoer> hmm...
[14:40] <sakrecoer> but then... how do i route my system audio in jack?
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> With Carla or Patchage.
[14:41] <sakrecoer> i don't get any thing from firefox in there
[14:41] <sakrecoer> aha
[14:41] <sakrecoer> interesting
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> Carla has a tab that says "Patchbay" that is just that: a graphical patchbay. It funcitons similarily, but more stable, than patchage.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> If you have the Pulse bridge checked, it becomes "PulseIn" and "PulseOut" in the patchbay.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> Firefox does not display as its own application because it's not "Jack-aware"..
[14:43] <Eickmeyer> Anything that would normally run audio without Jack will come out of "PulseOut".
[14:47] <sakrecoer> but carla patchbay is an exact replica of what i see in qtjackctl connections
[14:47] <sakrecoer> same in patchages...
[14:49] <sakrecoer> so many different places...
[14:49] <sakrecoer> i can't wrap my head arround the cooperation between settings in Controls and in qtjackctl
[14:50] <sakrecoer> they don't seem to reflect eachother
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> They won't. QJackCtl's settings and Control's settings are independent of one another. They literally only see thier own configs.
[14:51] <sakrecoer> but they both control the same thing?
[14:52] <sakrecoer> isn't that kindof the golden rule for creating conflicts?
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> QJackCtl is no longer the preferred method for starting/stopping Jack. It can be used to monitor Jack and the logs, but that's about it. It's easier to support Controls.
[14:52] <Eickmeyer> That's stated in the release notes.
[14:53] <sakrecoer> ok, but controls don't give me any ptions for chosing a driver
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't?
[14:53] <sakrecoer> i can chose a usb and a non-usb device.
[14:53] <Eickmeyer> Oh, you mean FireWire.
[14:53] <sakrecoer> but the non-usb device being firewire, i should be able to chose either of the three options: freebob, firewire or alsa
[14:54] <sakrecoer> freebob being ffado these days i think
[14:54] <sakrecoer> also i can't satart jack from controls.
[14:55] <sakrecoer> probably because it picks the wrong firewire driver...
[14:55] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, OvenWerks is the best person to talk to about that.  It's a workaround, but that's the best advice I've got.
[15:03] <sakrecoer> thanks!
 (Photo, 504x350) https://i.imgur.com/OSCaRI5.jpg
[15:04] <sakrecoer> all good... but still no sound... PuolseAudio Jack source leads nowhere...
[15:05] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer: Try doing it in Carla.
 (Photo, 499x405) https://i.imgur.com/XF0uz0d.jpg
 you can see the vu is active..
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> Yes. Try doing it in Carla. The patchabay in Qjackctl has never made sense to me.
[15:06] <sakrecoer> same connections are visibule in carla
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> What's the sample rate?
[15:06] <sakrecoer> 512
[15:06] <sakrecoer> 96000
[15:06] <sakrecoer> i tried with 44100 too..
[15:06] <Eickmeyer> That might be why. PulseAudio doesn't like sample rates above 48000.
[15:07] <sakrecoer> oh!
[15:07] <sakrecoer> hmm... 44.1 should do it then... but let me see maybe there was other stuff going on when i tried that
[15:08] <sakrecoer> i have to reboot everytime after i stop jack, once started and stopped once, it just wont restart
[15:13] <sakrecoer> pulse never fails to detect my FW card. But jack is really random at startup. sometimes it will be fine with starting the firewire driver, sometimes not..
[15:13] <sakrecoer> with jack stoped i can play audio from the FW card
[15:16] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer: As I look at it, in qjackctl, it looks like you were routing your FW inputs to the Pulse inputs. If you scrolled down further, you would've seen the pulse outputs on the left, which you could then route to your speakers and/or FW outputs.
[15:17] <sakrecoer> hmm... i'm going to try that...
[15:26] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: if you are using qjackctl (which you will have to do to use the ffado driver) then you need to "stop jack" in controls.
[15:27] <OvenWerks>  this will make sure autojack does not try to start jack at startup (and fail).
[15:27] <OvenWerks> It will also mean that pulse will be set up stock.
[15:27] <OvenWerks> pulse will be able to see your alsa devices as before.
[15:29] <OvenWerks> -controls will be rewritten for 19.10 to include FW as well as be easier to figure out.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> The apply button will go away and will be applied each time something is changed.
[15:30] <studiobot> HMollerCl was removed by: HMollerCl
 cheers Ovenwerks
 tried blacklisting the alsa drivers but that doens't work either
[15:33] <OvenWerks> The start and stop jack buttons may be relabeled. Basically, stop jack disables _all_ settings in -controls
 using freebob simply doesn't work anymore.
 (freebob in jack, but ffado i suppose=
 ffado detects my card though
 i can do the settings and all in there...
 but then of course, pulse doesn't see it.
[15:34] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: you have to blacklist the alsa drivers and unblacklist the ffado drivers and rebuild initrd
 the only driver that works in qtjackctl is firewire, but then i have no midi and well... no sound either,....
 oh wait! yes sound!
 wuhuu!
 not through the computer speakers but that doens't matter..
 now to figure out the midi part lol
[15:35] <OvenWerks> You should have midi that should not have changed, but only in jack
 wait! YES MIDI WORKS!
 wuhu! blacklisting alsa was the cut!
 let's see if i can mix my hardware audio signal with some soft synth :P
 wuhuuu!!!
 hahahaha
[15:36] <OvenWerks> you should still be able to bridge pulse to jack
 ok, alsa got no more love from me!
[15:36] <OvenWerks> (actually it should just happen)
 i can !!!! ❤
 but not throgh the system speakers
 only through the fw card outputs
[15:37] <OvenWerks> zita-j2a
 i now have youtube, my hardware park and calf monosnyth playing in my PA ❤
[15:38] <OvenWerks> I have found that I need to turn all alsa cards off in pulse for jack stability
[15:39] <OvenWerks> if pulse can see even one alsa card, it will use that as it's sync source for everything and there will be the odd xrun due to that
[15:39] <OvenWerks> jack freewheeel may not work etc.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> That is why controls unloads alsa drivers from pulse
 the midi works so goood
 hahaha
 but yeah... it seems it only works when alsa FW is blacklisted
 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit#Firewire these ones
[15:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: it has to be one or the other
[15:42] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: that is fine by me, as long as one of them work :)
[15:42] <sakrecoer> but it ouwld seem that controls doesn't really work for my use case...
[15:42] <sakrecoer> or maybe i'm just missing something
[15:43] <OvenWerks> you are missing nothing
[15:43] <OvenWerks> controls expects fw to work through alsa
[15:43] <OvenWerks> (in this release)
[15:44] <sakrecoer> i suppose it is the same thing as it used to be: alsa FW conflicts with ffado
[15:44] <OvenWerks> it will always be that way
[15:44] <sakrecoer> so perhaps alsa FW has become better, but it still isn't a good match with ffado
[15:44] <OvenWerks> I have already added a backend button that can choose a jack backend
[15:44] <sakrecoer> well, at least now we know, if someone else is asking :)
[15:45] <sakrecoer> it is not broken if it works
[15:45] <sakrecoer> it's just a different setup
[15:45] <sakrecoer> and that is fine by me... typicall that i got so much issues from being lazy... i mean, had i not tried to route the audio of the FW card to the computer speakrs, i wouldn't have had any issue lol
[15:46] <OvenWerks> Ya, I think I will try unloading any alsa-fw modules on the fly if someone selects the fw back end
[15:46] <sakrecoer> wow! <3
[15:46] <sakrecoer> i'd be happy with something like that...
[15:46] <OvenWerks> (now that I have a test subject)
[15:47] <sakrecoer> yesss!!! use me in my device as a guinea pig <3
[15:47] <sakrecoer> *and my device
[15:50] <sakrecoer> i guess it's time to go digg behind my patchbay now that i got this side of the DAW-rig working
[15:50] <sakrecoer> i haven't even connected the audio card to it since i got the patchbay...
[15:52] <sakrecoer> i had a relapse into using a hardware recorder... but i've been feeling limited in terms of arrangements. It's a lot easier with copy paste and drag and drop lol
[15:52] <sakrecoer> Thank you very much for your help Eickmeyer and OvenWerks <3
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer: You're welcome. :)
[16:03] <sakrecoer> i like this carla thing very much!
[16:04] <sakrecoer> and i think it is the first time i have such consistent and steady midi going through my system while the computer is involved
[16:11] <sakrecoer> hmmm... pops and clicks when playing firefox audio. :'( lol
[16:15] <sakrecoer> haha! damn you telegram! closing it removed the pops and clicks
[16:15] <M_aD> pops and clicks... latency problem iirc
[16:16] <sakrecoer> i tried to change the buffer size.. but didn't do anything to it
[16:16] <sakrecoer> killing telegram did. seemingly at least.
[16:16] <sakrecoer> odd because the system load was at 4%
[16:18] <sakrecoer> one more time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKF5LCHZREg
[16:18] <sakrecoer> nah, restarted telegram and it didn't come back... something is fishy. i'll get to the bottom of this!
 @Eickmeyer [I'm going to go ahead and agree with the answer on there that it sounds like a h …], Dudes, … Since I have activated VSYNC option on Intel graphics and Nvidia Graphics, MY PC IS NOT RESETTING  MORE ANYTIME!!!!!! … One week without suddenly freezes and/or system resets !!!!!!! … At least this works on Acer laptops with
[16:19] <studiobot>  Intel HD graphic cards … 🙂
[16:20] <bongfrog> Any see an issue where with Nvidia 105ti and propriary drivers  every other reboot only one of three monitors is reconized.?   reboot and the other two are there...
 @er_lenin [Dudes, … Since I have activated VSYNC option on Intel graphics and Nvidia Graphic …], Nice! Congrats!
[16:21] <bongfrog> might be related but I also get a blank screen when attempting to run the nvidia settings app
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> bongfrog: Issues with NVidia graphics has been a recurring theme in all of Ubuntu. I'd suggest joining #ubuntu and asking there.
[16:22]  * Eickmeyer doesn't have NVidia
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> !nvidia |  bongfrog
[16:31] <bongfrog> Thanks for the hint
[17:44] <hggdh> Eickmeyer: for bug 1826413 -- perhaps you can add a task for Disco, I cannot. I think this is because the main task was on the up-stream project
[17:45] <hggdh> Eickmeyer: also, there should be a task for Eoan as well (it has to be fixed on Eoan before being SRU-ed)
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> hggdh: I cannot. It was "fix released" before I could've tasked it.
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> I didn't know he was going to do it so quickly!
[17:46] <hggdh> hu. Let me see if I can clear it out -- meaning I will take it out of fix-released, an see what happens
[17:47] <hggdh> amazing. I moved it to fix committed, and... the whole task vanished!
[17:48] <hggdh> Eickmeyer: try to add the tasks now
[17:48] <hggdh> (I cannot act on non-Ubuntu projects
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> hggdh: I just re-added it, but I'm not allowed to task Ubuntu bugs, just triage them. (ironically).
[17:52] <hggdh> ... and I do not have the "target series" on this bug. I guess we could go to #launchpad and try to find out what gives
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> Yep, meet you there.
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> hggdh: Looks like we're good not.
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> *now
[18:00] <hggdh> yep
[18:01]  * Eickmeyer goes back to LFNW prep
 Confira "Mônica Toy" na Netflix … www.netflix.com/title/81072410?source=android
[19:35] <studio-user099> eh, is there anyone here?
[19:45] <M_aD> studio-user099: if you have a support question just ask and see if someone can help you
[19:54] <studio-user099> I am trying to use Guitarix as a real time effect, but seems my computer is not fast enough.
[19:54] <studio-user099> Using ubuntu studio on a 32 bit 18.04
[19:55] <studio-user099> Intel® Core™ i5-2430M CPU @ 2.40GHz × 4
[19:56] <studio-user099> 3.8 GB of RAM
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> studio-user099: Have you added the Backports PPA?
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports | studio-user099
[19:56] <M_aD> Why use 32 bit on a 64bit system?
[19:58] <studio-user099> I did not have  the backports PPA. Now I have, thanks for the help.
[19:59] <studio-user099> is Intel® Sandybridge Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 a 64 bit CPU?
[20:00] <studio-user099> The computer is an Acer 5750g, that I have always thought was a 32 bit machine...
[20:00] <M_aD> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/53450/intel-core-i5-2430m-processor-3m-cache-up-to-3-00-ghz.html
[20:01] <studio-user099> Oops.
[20:01] <studio-user099> Now this became somewhat complicated. How to upgrade from 32 to 64 bit? I guess wipeout and reinstall is the only way, or?
[20:01] <M_aD> reinstall would be better
[20:02] <M_aD> you could try and see if the 64bit works from a live usb first
[20:02] <studio-user099> will do
[20:02] <M_aD> :)
[20:03] <studio-user099> How to make a 64 bit bootable USB  on a 32 bit OS?
[20:04] <M_aD> just install startup disk creator
[20:05] <M_aD> creating a live usb doesn't depend on having a 32 or 64 bit machine
[20:06] <studio-user099> OK. Downloading...
[20:06] <studio-user099> Meanwhile, is there an RT kernel for Ubuntu Studio anymore?
[20:11] <M_aD> maybe Eickmeyer knows, i'm still re-learning about ubuntu studio since i haven't used it for years so i can't tell
[20:15] <OvenWerks> lowlatency has almost all of the rt code in it already.
[20:15] <M_aD> thanks OvenWerks :)
[20:16] <OvenWerks> It does save a tiny bit of run time for everything else so that an RT process can't lock the copmputer
[20:17] <OvenWerks> In fact the vanilla kernel has most of the RT code in it to but it is not enabled by default
[20:21] <studio-user099> My system does not give a reliable Jack at below 10ms, which is not good enough for Guitarix.
[20:22] <studio-user099> Thats why I am looking for helå
[20:22] <studio-user099> help
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> !realtime | studio-user099
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> !rt | studio-user099
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> !lowllatency
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> !lowlatency | studio-user099
[20:25] <studio-user099> ok
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> studio-user099: Furthermore, the only real-world use of the RT kernel is if you have a dedicated, embedded system which does nothing but run audio. A good example of this would be the kernel used in the Behringer X32 or the Allen & Heath iLive series of mixers.
[20:32] <Eickmeyer> studio-user099: My speculation is that your system might not be capable of 100% real-time audio processing.
[20:36] <studio-user099> Hmm, that is sad.
[20:54] <OvenWerks> studio-user099: It may be some tweaking is required too.
[20:55] <OvenWerks> When you say 4 cores is that the standard i5 with 4 cores or the mobile with 2 cores that looks like 4 cores because on hyperthreading?
[20:56] <OvenWerks> I have an i5 with 4 cores and have been able to get very low latenecy (3 ms round trip with device latency included)
[20:56]  * OvenWerks is out for a few hours
[20:58]  * Eickmeyer is likewise out for the weekend, might be sporadically available


[00:45] <tych0> bigjools: so it turns out that thing i was seeing was tempita
[00:45] <tych0> it didn't like the '#' in my string so it escaped everything
[00:45] <tych0> doing {{preseed|safe}} fixes it
[00:46] <bigjools> tych0: ah!
[00:46] <bigjools> that's a new one on me
[01:40] <tych0> bigjools: ever seen this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7082443/
[01:40] <bigjools> tych0: umm no, that's odd
[01:41] <bigjools> can you try make distclean and then re-build
[01:41] <bigjools> make sure your local db directory gets removed
[01:41] <tych0> yeah, that was my first move
[01:41] <bigjools> k
[01:47] <tych0> ah, well
[01:47] <tych0> i'll worry about it in the morning
[01:47] <tych0> if you have any bright ideas, i'm all ears :-)
[01:50] <bigjools> jtv may help
[01:50] <bigjools> he wrote most of that stuff
[01:52] <bigjools> tych0: you have got PG installed? :)
[01:52] <bigjools> PG_VERSION_BINS comes from stuff under /usr/lib/postgresql
[07:37] <rvba> bigjools: just put up for review a couple of branches that implement the change we talked about (i.e. the addition of the 'architectures' and 'releases' field on the nodegroup object).
[07:55] <rvba> jtv: Maybe you'll be kind enough to have a look at some of the branches I have up for review?  They are migrations so despite being fairly large, there is very little to actually review.
[11:39] <tych0> bigjools: i ran sudo make install-dependencies
[11:39] <tych0> although it didn't actually install everything, so i installed a few extra pg things
[11:39] <tych0> it is possible some more dependencies are missing
[12:45] <tych0> although i guess this was working a while ago and i didn't change anything on this bo
[12:45] <tych0> x
[12:45] <tych0> just rebased onto the upstream lp:maas
[21:11] <mwhudson> can you deploy a xen dom0 with maas?


[01:41] <hallyn> no more dovecot in bionic?
[01:45] <tomreyn> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/livecd-rootfs/+bug/1783129
[01:48] <tomreyn> hallyn: in other words: you are probably missing the 'universe' section in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:48] <hallyn> tomreyn: thanks - no i guess i hadn't updated the pkg archive corectly, i wasn't finding dovecot at all.  thought maybe it had been replaced :)  thx.
[01:48] <hallyn> no i did have it,
[01:48] <tomreyn> ok
[01:49] <hallyn> i dunno.  misread something.  haven't installed it since 14.04 so "it's been removed" seemed the logica conclusion :)
[01:49] <tomreyn> you can always check on https://packages.ubuntu.com
[01:49] <hallyn> though i don't see dovecot-postfix
[01:50] <hallyn> but that's ok i'm not there yet
[01:50] <tomreyn> i dont know what dovecot-postfix is
[01:50] <tomreyn> no such packages seems to exist (nor do i remember it existing in the past)
[01:51] <hallyn> it's installed on my oler mailserver,
[01:51] <hallyn> i assumed it was needed to support '-o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot' in postfix, myabe not
[01:52] <tomreyn> therE's definitely an integration between the two, i forgot the details., but i think it's provided by one of the dovecot packages.
[01:57] <hallyn> yeah i'll figure it out - probably changelog should be helpful.  thanks
[02:17] <hallyn> i guess i'm supposed to use mail-stack-delivery
[02:18] <hallyn> this has the fingerprints of rbasak all over it doesn't it :)
[02:19] <hallyn> "Configuring postfix for mail-stack-delivery integration:"   oh good i love me some magic
[02:20] <hallyn> overwrote my ssl key info, but why?
[05:23] <micha234> hi
[05:24] <micha234> trying configure a serial-port connection to my linux server. so far i enabled serial in bios, enabled it in grub, dmesg|grep tty shows me the serial devices, also does stty/setserial, systemd spawned agetty process for ttyS0 via auto-configured<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but every time i connect via serial cable no login prompt is visible. "outbound" serial connections to e.g. a switch work fine on the same system. do you ha
[07:15] <micha234> hey, anyone set up a serial-console setup to connect to his ubuntu server?
[11:47] <Helenah> Hi, I've got a custom setup on an Ubuntu Server 18.04 consisting of i3wm, mate-session-manager, zsh, tmux, there is /usr/bin/automux, a custom /etc/adduser.conf, etc
[11:47] <Helenah> It's in a qemu img, however I'm wanting to incorporate into a netinstall.
[11:47] <leftyfb> why do you need a GUI on a server?
[11:47] <Helenah> It's not a server
[11:47] <Helenah> It's intended to be a client install
[11:48] <Helenah> But, Ubuntu Desktop forces Unity and a load of other crappy fancies
[11:48] <leftyfb> Ubuntu 18.04 not longer installs Unity by default
[11:48] <Helenah> Rly?
[11:48] <Helenah> Nice
[11:49] <leftyfb> Helenah: regardless, you'll want to look into preseed
[11:49] <andol> Helenah: If you want something custom to be setup during a netinstall I think the easiest would be to have it applied by way of a configuration management tool.
[11:49] <leftyfb> or that
[11:49] <leftyfb> like ansible
[11:49] <andol> Probably both, with pressed handing over to the config mgmt otol.
[11:50] <Helenah> Okay, but there is something else I'm not happy with... mate-session-manager seems to depend on things like ubuntu-mate-default-settings
[11:50] <Helenah> I don't want any of this
[11:51] <Helenah> I don't it's not a requirement.
[11:51] <Helenah> It just seems when install things with APT, I get non-required bloatware on top claiming it's required.
[11:53] <andol> Helenah: Configured apt to not install Recommends by default? No idea if it helps in the mate case, but in general it cuts down the number of automated installed packages quite a lot.
[11:53] <andol> APT::Install-Recommends "false";
[11:53] <Helenah> Okay thanks
[12:01] <Helenah> andol: One guide recommends to combine kickseed and preseed to get the best of two worlds.
[12:08] <Helenah> andol, leftyfb, Btw, I am really sorry if asking about this in a server channel is inappropriate. With me using server images, I intend to use for clients, not servers, I really didn't know where to ask... o.o
[12:08] <Helenah> I got the idea, that this channel is more appropriate based on the fact I'm using server images.
[12:08] <andol> Helenah: Mostly work with virtual infra these days, so I really don't have much of a qualifed opinion when it comes to kickstart, kickseed or pressed.
[12:09] <Helenah> pressed?
[12:09] <andol> s/pressed/pressed/
[12:09] <andol> Bah
[12:09] <Helenah> Aaah I know what you mean
[12:09] <andol> s/pressed/preseed/
[12:09] <Helenah> preseed
[12:09] <Helenah> Okay, so I got 3 options, I'll give em a whirl
[12:10] <Helenah> Thanks once again for your support
[12:10] <Helenah> andol: I do a like of virtual infrastructure too.
[12:10] <Helenah> s/like/lot
[12:10] <Helenah> I'm sure you knew what I meant too, but just incase... heh
[12:11] <Helenah> and I'm thinking, these options would be good for deploying VMs and physical servers, too, not just clients.
[12:13] <andol> For VMs I'd just prebuild the basics using something like Packer, and possibly hand over the customization to the config mgmt tool.
[16:17] <micha234> hey there, i am failing to get a terminal prompt with agetty/mgetty via serial port. any ideas for troubleshooting?
[16:17] <rypervenche> Could someone test something for me? I'm not able to hear audio on forvo.com for some reason in qutebrowser. I'm trying to figure out if it's on my end or in qutebrowser. Could someone go to https://forvo.com/search/egipto/ and click on one of the triangles to see if it plays audio or if it just hangs?
[16:21] <rypervenche> Oops, sorry wrong channel.
[16:25] <teward> rbasak: powersj: sarnold: cpaelzer: I'm going to push NGINX Mainline plus the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1782226 into Cosmic, we'll track NGINX mainline at least for 18.10 and 19.04 until the 1.16.x release of NGINX Stable in April, and then switch to that in 19.10 before LTS.  At that time we can determine whether we need to trakc Mainline or Stable for
[16:25] <teward> 20.04 LTS (depending on when NGINX Stable releases in 2020.
[16:25] <teward> trying to get this in before FeatureFreeze, becasue that port 80 issue has opened up too many bugs in the past and it's annoying me (and probably other triagers to some extent)
[16:26] <teward> since i heard no complaints from anyone about that proposal i made over a week ago.
[16:26] <teward> that way though we can guarantee we'll be on a 'stable' branch by next LTS.
[17:39] <teward> FYI for the server team: NGINX 1.15.2-0ubuntu1 has been uploaded, it contains the NGINX Mainline latest version and the fix for the port 80 in use detection
[19:03] <Hackwar> hi folks, I updated a headless server to 18.04 and now my SimpleXML for PHP 7.2 is missing. It is listed in the apache2/ config folder, but it is not present in the loaded modules. What do I have to do? apt-get install php-xml doesn't work
[19:03] <Hackwar> (I removed the package and installed it again and it didn't change the situation)
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> Hackwar: please idle a bit here ok, volunteers are worldwide here on different timezones ok
[19:55] <blackflow> Hackwar: does php -m list it?
[20:37] <teward> Hackerpcs: did you restart the Apache server to make sure it picks it up?
[20:37] <teward> I'm assuming you did but
[20:37] <Hackerpcs> heh
[20:37] <Hackerpcs> wrong tab :P
[20:37] <teward> oops
[20:37] <teward> they left
[20:37] <teward> sorry :)
[20:37] <Hackerpcs> nvm
[20:37] <teward> *goes back to kicking around packages for the repository)


[12:44] <AdamH> Hello, I am trying to understand Qt, mir and snaps. I have written a Hello World app using Qt which works on a Desktop. But when I install the Snap on Ubuntu Core I get the following error Apr 12 10:50:58 localhost snap[1292]: cannot perform operation: mount --bind -o ro,nosuid,nodev /snap/mir-libs/28/mirlibs0/usr/lib /snap/falconhelloworld/x1/mir-libs: No such file or directory. Directory doesn't exist but not sure what I am missing
[12:44] <AdamH>  as I have used mir-kiosk-apps as a guide. Any pointers as to how I debug this?
[12:44] <AdamH> https://github.com/AdamHeavens/falconhelloworld/
[13:04] <alan_g> AdamH: sounds like you're missing the mir-libs content interface.
[13:04] <alan_g> I'm not very familiar with the snaps error messages, but have you tried the example clients?
[13:08] <AdamH> alan_g: I have the following interfaces mir-kiosk:mir             falconhelloworld and mir-libs:mir-libs         falconhelloworld,mir-kiosk
[13:09] <AdamH> I have used mir-kiosk-apps and it works correctly. So must have something set wrong in snapcraft I assume
[13:10] <alan_g> That would be my guess too. (But all the snapcraft I've done has been copy & change.)
[13:11] <alan_g> When you say the directory doesn't exist do you mean /snap/mir-libs/28/mirlibs0/usr/lib or /snap/falconhelloworld/x1/mir-libs
[13:11] <alan_g> ?
[13:12] <AdamH> It is /snap/falconhelloworld/x1/mir-libs that does not exist
[13:13] <alan_g> OK, you're just missing that directory in your snap.
[13:14] <AdamH> Yes just not sure how I pull it in at the moment
[13:16] <alan_g> Do you have the (empty) folder in github?
[13:17] <AdamH> No but I have noticed in the mir-kiosk-apps demo there is an emtpy folder in glue, is that all I need to do?
[13:20] <alan_g> You need the empty folder for bind to work.
[13:20] <AdamH> ha thanks... will give that a try now
[13:20] <alan_g> My example uses this yaml: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mircade-snap/trunk/view/head:/snap/snapcraft.yaml
[13:21] <alan_g> If that doesn't work, the folks on #snappy may know what the incantations mean.
[13:21] <AdamH> Thank you will give it a go


[19:09] <tsimonq2> Hey, I see some Vim CVEs, the Kinetic package is currently waiting on me to fix a test but it it becomes very urgent to get those CVE fixes in, by all means
[19:09] <tsimonq2> I plan on updating the Vim version to one that is unaffected by those in the next 72 hours (even if I cherry-pick)
[19:09] <tsimonq2> s/it/if/
[19:10] <teward> tsimonq2: i'm assuming if you update Debian autosync'll get it and then there's no need to worry?
[19:10] <teward> or did import freeze happen and i'm just blind
[19:38] <tsimonq2> teward: Uhh, vim has a delta
[19:38]  * tsimonq2 hands teward a pair of glasses
[19:56] <teward> ah
[20:02]  * tsimonq2 slaps teward with a wet fish


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[08:11] <DarthLappy> ethos: I'm assuming you're talking about shares from Windows?
[08:12] <ethos> Yes.
[08:13] <DarthLappy> !samba | ethos
[08:13] <ubotu> ethos: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:14] <ethos> yeah i know.  I can use smbclient //server/share -D username to connect to a terminal FTP-like environment.  I'm looking for a GUI
[08:15] <DarthLappy> Well you could mount it and browse it.
[08:16] <DarthLappy> I don't really need to browse my shares so I don't know of any clients.
[08:34] <Tajmox> !theme
[08:34] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:35] <Tajmox> hmm where do i put my cursor packages?
[08:35] <Tajmox> xubuntu doesnt have the "Install Theme" button
[08:47] <TheSheep> Tajmox: unpack the themes to your ~/.themes directory
[08:48] <Tajmox> oh thanks
[08:48] <Tajmox> i was unpacking to /usr/share/themes
[08:55] <ethos> So I can browse my shares with smbclient, bit when I "sudo mount -t smbfs /dev/drive //SERVER/D/"  I get "mount point does not exist"
[08:55] <ethos> bit=but
[08:56] <ethos> names are spelled right because i always copy/paste
[09:00] <ethos> So I can browse my shares with smbclient, bit when I "sudo mount -t smbfs /dev/drive //SERVER/D/"  I get "mount point does not exist"
[09:01] <ShoeUnited> you'll have to create the mount point in fstab and mtab
[09:01] <Commander-Crowe> ShoeUnited, I have lots of times
[09:02] <ethos> what folder are those under?  mnt?
[09:02] <DarthLappy> ethos: That doesn't look right....
[09:03] <DarthLappy> ethos: Shouldn't it be //SERVER/D/ /media/mountpoint ?
[09:03] <ShoeUnited> !smb
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:04] <ShoeUnited> !smbfs
[09:04] <ubotu> smbfs: mount and umount commands for the smbfs (for kernels >= than 2.2.x). In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 900 kB
[09:05] <ethos> If I switch it it just says the other one doesn't exist.
[09:05] <ShoeUnited> Personally, I just used synaptic, there's a bunch of proggies that will integrate smbfs into your normal window manager.
[09:05] <DarthLappy> ethos: You have to create the mountpoint.
[09:06] <ethos> is there a command for that or is it in a .conf file?
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> $ sudo mkdir /mnt/*what you called the mount point in your fstab & mtab files*
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> !fstab
[09:08] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> !mtab
[09:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> might be mispelling that one.
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> Kinda sick lol
[09:08] <ShoeUnited> >.>
[09:08] <ethos> thx
[09:08] <DarthLappy> You don't really need to worry about mtab.
[09:09] <ShoeUnited> DarthLappy is probably right.  I kinda try to cover all major bases. lol ^_^
[09:09] <ShoeUnited> I can't remember if it's pstab or ptab that lets it act like a removable drive. :x
[09:11] <ShoeUnited> Just do a little reading through google and it's all pretty straight forward.
[09:12] <ShoeUnited> Or do like I did so many years ago, lol, trial and error until you can boil things with your mind, then look it up. hehe ^_^
[09:12] <ethos> I like the man pages.  Searching can come back with alot of stuff to sort through.
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You'll need an empty directory somewhere to mount it to.  A conventional place is in /mnt.
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You won't have to touch /etc/fstab unless you don't want to have to run that command every time.
[09:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You won't have to touch /etc/mtab.
[09:16] <ethos> after i edit fstab do i reboot or just restart x server?
[09:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Neither.
[09:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a configuration file that gets read as necessary.
[09:18] <ethos> is there a way to just list the contents of the file in terminal without opening nano so i can verify my spellings?
[09:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> 'cat'
[09:18] <ShoeUnited> ty PuMpErNiCkLe for cleaning up what I said hehe ^_^
[09:18] <PuMpErNiCkLe> np
[09:19] <ShoeUnited> I'm a bit hap-hazard.  >.>
[09:20] <ShoeUnited> !install
[09:20] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[09:31] <ethos> So, for the first option in fstab should I put //server/share or is there a different format?
[09:32] <ethos> I also tried server:share
[09:36] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's //server/share.
[09:37] <ethos> "... wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on..."
[09:37] <ethos> dmesg | tail gives me this "smb_fill_super: missing data argument"
[09:39] <ethos> The line in my fstab is "//SERVER/SHARE        /media/drived   smbfs   defaults        0       0"
[09:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You have smbfs installed, right?
[09:41] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[10:02] <kubuntian> hello
[10:02] <kubuntian> somebody can help me a second? i would like to use thunar in KDE
[10:03] <kubuntian> i installed it, but differently from xfce where it looked pretty, here it doesn't have any icon for files!
[10:03] <kubuntian> all the icons for files/folders are the same
[10:03] <kubuntian> what do i have to do?
[10:05] <ethos> of course, or i wouldnt be able to browse in smbclient
[10:06] <ethos> meh, xubuntu is just too minimal for me i guess.
[10:15] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Smbclient doesn't require smbfs.
[10:46] <Snakesonatrain> Can someone explain to me how to make my computer get an address from my cable modem?
[12:08] <merethan> hi all
[12:11] <merethan> I am trying to install xubuntu on a machine with 128MB RAM and a 350Mhz. PII. Should be enough I think. But the install is wicked slow. (not the copying but the program) for example: scrolling trough the locale settings (city list) took me 30 mins to get 10 places up the list. (unforunate for me, the list starts at L and I need to be at A)
[12:12] <TheSheep> merethan: use the alternate cd
[12:12] <TheSheep> merethan: the live cd installer needs lots of memory
[12:12] <merethan> for example the LFS LiveCD runs quite smooth. And xubuntu was made for low end.
[12:12] <merethan> wasn't it?
[12:12] <TheSheep> merethan: I thnk it would hang half way through if you have less than 192MB anyways
[12:12] <merethan> that's not really low-end
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: the graphical installer is taken from ubuntu
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: use the alternate cd with the text-based installer
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: it's fast
[12:13] <merethan> ok
[12:13] <merethan> ~650MB of ISO downloading wasted :P
[12:13] <merethan> luckily I used a rewritable
[12:13] <TheSheep> merethan: sorry to hear that :(
[12:14] <TheSheep> merethan: with a little bit of luck, in the next release the text-based installer will be included on the live cd too
[12:15] <TheSheep> merethan: but that's not so simple for some reason
[12:17] <merethan> text installer sounds like "does not take up so much space on a 650MB CD"
[12:18] <merethan> what makes it not simple then?
[12:18] <TheSheep> merethan: space is not the concern, I think. I don't know the details.
[12:18] <TheSheep> merethan: I'm just an user too
[12:18] <merethan> ah
[12:19] <merethan> well, at least I am now downloading the alternate
[12:20] <TheSheep> merethan: you can also just move the hdd to a faster computer, do the install and move it back
[12:20] <merethan> why does the about button is xfce, but INIT sais "starting gnome" at cd boot?
[12:21] <merethan> (I turned of the quiet mode)
[12:21] <merethan> (and the bootlogo as well :) )
[12:21] <TheSheep> merethan: because xubuntu too uses gdm for the login screen -- the same program as gnome
[12:22] <merethan> ah
[12:22] <TheSheep> merethan: the text comes from the gdm -- it's not exactly accurate, it doesn't start gnome, gnome (or xfce in xubuntu) is started after you log in
[12:22] <merethan> wich is automated
[12:22] <TheSheep> on livecd -- ye
[12:22] <TheSheep> ss
[12:23] <merethan> I don't like graphical login's
[12:23] <TheSheep> merethan: you can disable it
[12:23] <merethan> I prefer everything text, exept when I type startx
[12:23] <merethan> I know
[12:24] <TheSheep> text-only login screen has some accessibility problems
[12:24] <merethan> If your eye's are bad, maybe
[12:25] <merethan> y0w jelle, van welke provider is cambrium?
[12:26] <TuxCrafter> www.cambrium.nl
[12:26] <TuxCrafter> sad website for a very big provider
[12:26] <TuxCrafter> :-D
[12:27] <merethan> yup
[12:27] <merethan> frames
[12:27] <merethan> I am on a console now, frames can not be rendered in text browsers
[12:27] <TuxCrafter> was looking around what kind of suport is given here
[12:28] <TuxCrafter> freenode is pretty big
[12:28] <TuxCrafter> do you do special things with linux
[12:29] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: what kind of special things?
[12:29] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: this channel is generally for problems with the xubuntu linux distribution
[12:29] <TuxCrafter> system integrator or maintainer
[12:29] <TuxCrafter> jups i know
[12:30] <TuxCrafter> but merethan said he was working only on a console
[12:30] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: well, I'm a sysop for student laboratories at a university
[12:30] <TuxCrafter> nice
[12:31] <merethan> TuxCrafter, console means text only. No mouse, no windows.
[12:31] <TuxCrafter> I saw some logs and you TheSheep are very active on irc
[12:31] <TheSheep> merethan: no gpm?
[12:31] <merethan> nope
[12:31] <merethan> I compiled everything myself
[12:31] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: yes, no RealLife ;)
[12:32] <TuxCrafter> merethan: what is your reson for compiling everything yourself
[12:33] <merethan> Primary reason to do it was to learn how a Linux system works on the inside, second reason was speed and hard drive space.
[12:34] <TuxCrafter> business or personal resons
[12:34] <merethan> When you select "minimal" on Fedora install, you get ~500MB or crap.
[12:34] <merethan> No this is all private
[12:34] <merethan> personal experiments
[12:35] <merethan> when you need something for buisiness you better get something like Red Hat or CentOS
[12:35] <merethan> These distributions are set up by proffesionals
[12:36] <TheSheep> merethan: I've heard suse is nice for corporate use
[12:36] <TuxCrafter> jay I still want to do a experiment to see if I could get a complete working stations on a 4GB flash drive
[12:36] <merethan> But SuSE is now Novell
[12:36] <TheSheep> merethan: good group management tools
[12:36] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: you can get a complete working station with X and stuff on a 12MB cellphone
[12:37] <merethan> SuSE was quite nice, but when Novell took the steering wheel they messed it up quite good
[12:37] <TuxCrafter> not with openoffice and all the tools I use :-D
[12:37] <merethan> OpenOffice takes a lot or RAM
[12:37] <TuxCrafter> My currunt working root is 7 GB
[12:37] <merethan> or=of
[12:37] <TuxCrafter> Ram is not a issue
[12:37] <TheSheep> mine 3GB
[12:38] <merethan> RAM is an issue when your on a cell phone
[12:38] <TuxCrafter> xubuntu clean is 3 GB
[12:38] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: a little less, I think
[12:38] <merethan> I have Linux going on a Nintendo DS, wich has 4MB RAM
[12:39] <TuxCrafter> I now I do also embbeded linux
[12:39] <TheSheep> merethan: well, I had ELKS running on my 80088 with 512kB ram
[12:39] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: ever tried OpenEmbedded?
[12:40] <TuxCrafter> did some small text with it
[12:40] <TuxCrafter> but mostly only used linux on arm
[12:41] <merethan> ever heard about Prex?
[12:41] <TuxCrafter> nope
[12:41] <TheSheep> no
[12:41] <merethan> Some funky POSSIX real time operating system for really small stuff
[12:41] <TuxCrafter> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Other/Prex-2716.shtml
[12:42] <TuxCrafter> woeps wrong link
[12:42] <TuxCrafter> http://prex.sourceforge.net/
[12:42] <merethan> I've seen Prex on a Gameboy Advance
[12:42] <merethan> quite funky
[12:43] <merethan> not really useful, but fun to try. Some Austrailian punk has made a webserver of his GBA.
[12:44] <merethan> Not really useful either seen the speed it had, but fun to try :P
[12:44] <TuxCrafter> thats the strengt and weakness of linux
[12:44] <TheSheep> merethan: how did he connect it to the network?
[12:44] <merethan> dunno
[12:44] <TuxCrafter> to much useless projects
[12:44] <merethan> most likely a serial line
[12:45] <merethan> Yje GBA slot you put games in is 16Bits wide
[12:45] <merethan> *The
[12:45] <merethan> enough room to run some OS and put a serial line on
[12:45] <merethan> I don't know the details
[12:46] <TheSheep> you'd need to implement a tcp stack by yourself :/
[12:46] <merethan> Prex has one
[12:46] <TuxCrafter> I have to go people have to make a text document
[12:46] <TheSheep> ah, ok
[12:46] <merethan> Or they have planned it
[12:46] <merethan> not sure
[12:47] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: surprisingly, I find myself writing most of my text documents in Zim
[12:47] <merethan> I believe it already had one, but check out the site to be sure
[12:47] <TuxCrafter> I use mousepad :-D
[12:47] <TuxCrafter> and openoffice and latex
[12:47] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: Zim has some basic formatting, like headings and lists
[12:47] <merethan> Vim :)
[12:47] <TheSheep> merethan: no, Zim, desktop wiki, something like tomboy
[12:48] <merethan> WTF is tomboy? :P
[12:48] <TuxCrafter>  sudo apt-get install zim
[12:48] <merethan> smartass, I have no distro, so I have no apt ;)
[12:48] <TheSheep> merethan: http://zoidberg.student.utwente.nl/zim/
[12:48] <TuxCrafter> wieard
[12:49] <TuxCrafter> wierd
[12:49] <TuxCrafter> it is asking for repos
[12:49] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: I think it's in asher256 repo
[12:49] <TuxCrafter> no i installed it
[12:50] <TuxCrafter> and the program want a location give
[12:50] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: ah, it asks for a directory to keep the text files in
[12:51] <TuxCrafter> it does not ave text indent
[12:51] <TuxCrafter> with ctrl shift
[12:51] <TheSheep> use tab
[12:51] <TuxCrafter> tap i mean
[12:52] <TheSheep> ?
[12:52] <TuxCrafter> strange tool
[12:52] <TuxCrafter> tap indent forward and backward
[12:53] <TuxCrafter> select text and tap will go forward
[12:53] <TuxCrafter> select text and shift tab (or crtl tab )will go backward
[12:54] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: it has many funny and smart features
[12:54] <merethan> sc4tterbrain's exit message is a bit weird
[12:54] <TuxCrafter> think they had better made a plugin for mousepad or gedit
[12:54] <TheSheep> merethan: "Latvia"?
[12:55] <merethan> I have a few weird characters, no word
[12:55] <TuxCrafter> me to
[12:55] <TheSheep> merethan: it's in katagana
[12:55] <TuxCrafter> other language
[12:55] <TheSheep> merethan: just isntall japanese fonts
[12:55] <merethan> lol
[12:56] <merethan> I'm a bit drugged by painkillers now. the first moment I tought I was getting nuts :P
[12:56] <TheSheep> merethan: that's part of that 500MB of "cruft" you get with distros
[12:57] <TheSheep> merethan: support for more than your own language
[12:57] <merethan> lots and lots and lots of libs you will most likely never use
[12:57] <merethan> and lost and lost more programs you will never touch
[12:57] <merethan> BTW, I can't read japanese anyway
[12:57] <TheSheep> merethan: sure, but you never know in advance which ones you will need
[12:58] <merethan> If I need one I will download and compile it
[12:58] <TheSheep> merethan: me neither, google translate ftw
[12:58] <TuxCrafter> I really have to go bye speak you people next time
[12:58] <TheSheep> merethan: there is a certain "just works" quality, and disk space is cheap anyways
[12:59] <merethan> I like to know what happens
[12:59] <merethan> So I do petty much everyhting myself
[12:59] <TheSheep> merethan: sure, I liketo play with my system too, just not when I have something urgent to do
[01:00] <merethan> When I boned my system I have plently of others I can use
[01:00] <TheSheep> merethan: it's a *work*station
[01:00] <merethan> Mine is a bonestation :P
[01:00] <merethan> My dad has a WinXP with OpenOffice etc. In the living room we have one. Plently of backup in case I mess things up
[01:01] <TuxCrafter> one real question
[01:01] <merethan> yes..?
[01:01] <TuxCrafter> i want to create a email for thunderbird form the commandline
[01:01] <TuxCrafter> how do i do this
[01:01] <fulldisclosure> Hi.
[01:01] <fulldisclosure> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/xubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[01:01] <fulldisclosure> Where can I download this too?
[01:02] <fulldisclosure> Here is very slow.
[01:02] <merethan> I hit 215kbps ATM
[01:02] <TheSheep> fulldisclosure: isn't there a list of mirrors?
[01:02] <fulldisclosure> TheSheep, Dunno, but wait, maybe the connection, no the link.
[01:02] <fulldisclosure> My connection, sorry.
[01:02] <TuxCrafter> mere specific I want to create a sripts that sends makes a new mail voor thunderibird with selected files as attachements
[01:03] <merethan> I dunno
[01:03] <merethan> If I did know I would have told you already
[01:03] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: why thunderbird?
[01:03] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: use sendmail instead
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> or a general mail command
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> that the default mail manager understands
[01:04] <merethan> make a looping script :P
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> ?
[01:04] <merethan> spamkabouter!
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> it does not need to send
[01:04] <merethan> eh, ah
[01:04] <TuxCrafter> only create the mail with attachement
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> like a mailto:
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> for commandline
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> or something
[01:05] <TheSheep> Mail is an intelligent mail processing system, which has a command syntax reminiscent of ed(1) with lines replaced by messages.
[01:05] <merethan> -> man mail
[01:05] <merethan> or try the #mozilla or #thunderbird
[01:05] <TuxCrafter> dont have that installed
[01:06] <TuxCrafter> man mozilla-thunderbird has only a profile option already lookt at that
[01:07] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: if you're writing a script in perl or python, they have their own mail functions
[01:07] <TuxCrafter> bash
[01:07] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: then install mail or sendmail
[01:08] <TuxCrafter> I want to be ablle to select some files with thunar and execute a scripts that make a new message with the selected files as atachments
[01:08] <TuxCrafter> and with default tools
[01:09] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: best ask on #thunderbird
[01:09] <TuxCrafter> oke i will
[01:09] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: but I recall there was a similar plugin for Thunar somewhere
[01:09] <merethan> OMG I hate my dentist :P
[01:09] <TheSheep> merethan: kaszanka? :D
[01:10] <merethan> Some teeth had to be removed
[01:10] <TuxCrafter> I am next in 6 days :-P
[01:10] <TuxCrafter> my new dentist is brutal
[01:10] <TheSheep> TuxCrafter: you should have brushed :P
[01:10] <TuxCrafter> it not that
[01:10] <merethan> Hoe zeg je verstandskiezen in her Engels?
[01:11] <merethan> her=het
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> He want me to flus more
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> I new that word
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> em
[01:11] <TuxCrafter> blabal thooth
[01:11] <merethan> maybe
[01:12] <merethan> the most rear teeth
[01:12] <TheSheep> merethan: I have the same!
[01:12] <TheSheep> http://wittetanden.nl/behandelingen/verstandskies/verstandskies/verstandskies13656_3.gif
[01:12] <TheSheep> merethan: I'm putting off the operation since 3 years now
[01:13] <merethan> Mine have been trashed 2 day's ago
[01:13] <TuxCrafter> A picture say more than thousens of words
[01:13] <TuxCrafter> hmm my grammar correction does not work anymore
[01:13] <merethan> I cannot see pictures right now, I am on console
[01:14] <TheSheep> merethan: they are "wisdom teeth" in Polish...
[01:14] <TuxCrafter> he is the sheep ook nederlands?>
[01:14] <merethan> blijkt er op
[01:14] <TuxCrafter> :-D
[01:14] <TuxCrafter> beetje moeilijk te doen hier
[01:15] <TheSheep> merethan: aview
[01:15] <merethan> Nintendo DS
[01:15] <merethan> one sec
[01:15] <TuxCrafter> Wisdom teeth
[01:17] <TuxCrafter> there is only one person in #thunderbird
[01:19] <merethan> Sheep, my left side was removed yesterday (both), these were in a quite good state. My right side is going to be horrible, seen the fact that they are not positioned vertical, but almost horizontal straight backwards.
[01:20] <merethan> That is going to be a mess then they get gemoved
[01:22] <merethan> gemoved = removed
[01:34] <PxM> hi
[01:35] <TheSheep> hi PxM
[01:58] <TuxCrafter> The Sheep: fount the command
[01:58] <TuxCrafter> mozilla-thunderbird --compose "to=foo@nowhere.net,subject=coolpage,attachment=file:///home/jelle/logfile.txt,body=check"
[01:58] <TheSheep> kewl
[01:59] <TuxCrafter> http://www.mozilla.org/docs/command-line-args.html#Syntax_Rules
[01:59] <TuxCrafter> the man paga of linux is not complete !
[02:18] <merethan> Why are those god damn ISO's alway's over 650MB
[02:19] <merethan> I have no 700MB rewritables
[02:54] <merethan> at last. the text mode install works quite nice so far
[02:55] <merethan> unfortunate it costs me a CD, as I have no 700MB rewritables. Linux distro's get outdated very fast, so it is petty much wasted.
[02:56] <DarthLappy> CDs are pretty cheap and easy to get though.
[02:56] <merethan> luckily, yes
[02:56] <merethan> but it is still a waste
[02:56] <DarthLappy> It's Linux! Not a waste.
[02:57] <merethan> I still have Fedora 3 on CD out here, but it is outdated and petty much useless now.
[02:57] <DarthLappy> Well you could set up a PXE booty thing if you really don't want to "waste" CDs :)
[02:57] <merethan> PxE?
[02:57] <DarthLappy> Mhm.
[02:57] <merethan> is that a network server or something?
[02:58] <DarthLappy> It's network booting.
[02:58] <DarthLappy> I don't know how it actually works, but it exists.
[02:58] <merethan> I have some very old network cards lying around out here who do support it
[02:59] <merethan> But those cheap ass things you buy these day's don't
[02:59] <merethan> some have a "slot" for a BIOS chip
[03:00] <merethan> Why don't we have open source BIOSes? If we did we could combine Linux kernel and the BIOS into one.
[03:01] <merethan> Like the xbox game console has
[03:01] <DarthLappy> Ooh.
[03:01] <merethan> (xbox game console has a Win2000 kernel)
[03:01] <merethan> (but the idea is the same)
[03:02] <DarthLappy> That's a pretty cool idea.
[03:04] <merethan> This is not new. Actually, petty much any computing device works like this. A chip holds an image, wich gets loaded when the power switches on. Most computers (like Mp3 players) have the OS and BIOS all the same thing. When IBM designed the PC they made a BIOS wich only did initialized the hardware, and then loaded an image from the Hard Drive. This way, everybody could have his own OS.
[03:05] <merethan> Downside is, the HD needs to spin-up before it can get to work, wich takes time.
[03:07] <merethan> That's why the xbox game console does not have to wait before the HD is at speed. On xbox, the kernel and the BIOS is all the same thing, that's why you see that funky flubber animation emediatly when you turn it on. At the same time all hardware is being checked and started. Once the flubber animation is done playing all hardware, including the HD, is ready to go.
[03:08] <DarthLappy> Xboxen are cool.
[03:08] <DarthLappy> h4xx0r MS for the BIOS leetness.
[03:09] <merethan> If we had desided to do all software, including BIOSes, open source, we could have this on our PC's too. But because of popetairy BIOSes (Phoenix and Ami) we cannot do this. Apple ever made an attempt of using open BIOSes but it never fcame far.
[03:10] <merethan> unfortunate for us
[03:12] <DarthLappy> I should think it'd be pretty difficult to do, which is why the market is relatively small.
[03:13] <merethan> Petty much every computer manufactor only releases an popetairy BIOS, either a Ami or Phoenix, modified for their hardware boards. Why is there no one shipping an open BIOS/firmware?
[03:13] <merethan> I don't think the market is small
[03:14] <merethan> The market is just as big as the open software market
[03:14] <merethan> BIOS is just software
[03:16] <DarthLappy> I haven't seen all that many BIOSes.
[03:17] <merethan> Every BIOS is different
[03:17] <DarthLappy> Yes.
[03:17] <merethan> the base comes from Ami or Phoenix, but for every mainboard it needs to be customized.
[03:18] <DarthLappy> Meh, shows what I know :D
[03:19] <merethan> My old Abit-BE6 board has an 66MB IDE chip, and it's firmware is loaded from the BIOS chip. You won't find something weird like that in Ami's or the Phoenix store :P
[03:20] <merethan> oh BTW, those "compaq" BIOSes are just rebranded Phoenix BIOSes.
[03:35] <merethan> Google is my best friend
[03:36] <merethan> Maybe I should go experiment with my old Pentium boards by loading Linux kernels into the BIOS chip or something
[03:36] <merethan> That would be fun
[03:37] <DarthLappy> :)
[03:37] <merethan> Most functions a BIOS does these day's are made for things like DOS, wich has not really any own detection mechanisms. Linux on the other hand does everything by itself, and petty much does not use any of the BIOS features.
[03:37] <merethan> altough a BIOS would be nice to set the system clock and stuff like that
[03:39] <merethan> And some stupid chips need firmware to be loaded from the BIOS. Luckily for me those early Pentium boards do not contain any exotic hardware who need special BIOS features. So maybe I can get an old Pentium board to have a Linux shell in 3 secs from power-on!
[03:39] <merethan> yeah baby
[03:39] <merethan> let's check ebay for soem second hand chip programmer
[03:40] <DarthLappy> You're buying a person on eBay? O_o
[03:41] <DarthLappy> :P
[05:50] <AcidBurn> Is there any type of application to manager ebay listing for xubuntu :)
[06:09] <AcidBurn> Had to reset
[06:10] <AcidBurn> is there any apps for to handle ebay that work with xubuntu ???
[06:11] <grazie> AcidBurn, Don't understand your question
[06:13] <AcidBurn> grazie: looking for a xubuntu app, that can do auctions... buy & sell, there seems to be nothing for linux
[06:14] <grazie> AcidBurn, A listings manager app? I don't know of a linux app either.
[06:15] <AcidBurn> something like that, you see, with Mac there where several programs that handle auction posting and buy & selling and management
[06:15] <AcidBurn> but for linux, I can't find any (freeware)
[06:16] <somerville32> There might be a gdesklet
[07:25] <somerville32> AcidBurn: Ebay 0.1.1
[07:25] <somerville32> AcirdBurn: It is a gdesklet applet
[07:52] <kubuntian> hello
[07:52] <kubuntian> somebody can please help me with a xubuntu-kubuntu mixed thing?
[07:52] <kubuntian> i used xubuntu for a while, but i went back using kubuntu because of i missed some applications
[07:53] <somerville32> Right.
[07:53] <kubuntian> however, i really appreciated some applications, like thunar
[07:53] <somerville32> Please ask your question :)
[07:53] <kubuntian> let me get there :)

[07:53] <kubuntian> i installed it but however, something in the graphical layout seems to be missing
[07:53] <Grey_Loki> It being Thunar?
[07:54] <kubuntian> particularly icons look pretty bad.. they are all the same regardless if it is a folder or a media device mount point
[07:54] <kubuntian> let me give you a snapshot of thunar
[07:54] <TheSheep> kubuntian: it's in the faq on thunar.org
[07:54] <kubuntian> TheSheep: hi there, i was xubuntian, we already met here :)
[07:54] <kubuntian> really?
[07:54] <kubuntian> oh, ok
[07:54] <kubuntian> i will take a look :P
[07:54] <TheSheep> thunar.xfce.org
[07:54] <TheSheep> sorry
[07:55] <kubuntian> will i lose something in the use of thunar outside of xfce?
[07:56] <somerville32> Integration with the desktop, yes.
[07:56] <TheSheep> http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documentation/faq#why_does_thunar_display_the_fallback_icon_for_all_files_and_folders
[08:15] <Tajmox> how do i add themes?   I have theme files but donot know what to do with them
[08:15] <kubuntian> somerville32: what do you mean by integration?
[08:18] <kubuntian> TheSheep: hey, i tried to put crystalsvg in the .gtkrc-2.0 but it didn't change anything
[08:19] <kubuntian> how come? i think it has MIME icons .. but still the fallback one are showed
[08:26] <kubuntian> ok, it worked with "Rodent" icon theme, but i had to intall gnome-icon-theme and some other i didn't want.. is there any way of using crystal? what name should i use?
[08:36] <Tajmox> Anyone know how to load a theme?  Where do I place the theme files?
[08:44] <hyper_ch> !theme
[08:44] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[09:14] <Aar0n444> Hi
[09:14] <Aar0n444> Where can I find my floppy drive
[09:14] <Aar0n444> (In Xubuntu)
[09:15] <somerville32> doh
[09:16] <TheSheep> did you look under the bed?
[09:18] <Tajmox> !changethemes
[09:18] <ubotu> Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance (KDE).  For a good KDE guide, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[09:18] <Tajmox> but i dont use KDE nor Gnome  =\
[09:20] <TheSheep> Tajmox: xfce uses gtk themes -- same as gnome
[09:22] <Tajmox> TheSheep - yes but installing new themes in gnome is drag and drop        apparently nobody knows how to do it in XFCE
[09:22] <TheSheep> Tajmox: just unpack the theme archive into your ~/.themes directory
[09:22] <Tajmox> in gnome i just dragged the theme package to the theme picker window and voila.     i just need to know where to place the theme files in XFCE
[09:23] <Tajmox> TheSheep Thanks that helps a lot
[09:23] <Tajmox> The simple solutions are the hardest ones to find
[09:23] <TheSheep> Tajmox: the bot is tuned for #ubuntu obviously
[09:24] <somerville32> !search themes
[09:24] <ubotu> Found: eyecandy,launch-feedback,i-candy,changethemes,icandy,themes,theme,superkaramba,eye candy,artwork
[09:25] <somerville32> !installthemes
[09:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installthemes - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <somerville32> !changethemes-#xubuntu is <reply> To change a theme in Xubuntu, Launch applications -> Settings -> User Interface Settings. To install a new theme, unpack the the theme to your ~/.themes/ directory. Note: Gnome themes work in Xubuntu.
[09:27] <somerville32> For frigs sakes, Ubotu is still borked
[09:29] <Grey_Loki> !mkv
[09:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:39] <ali_> anyone happen to know whether or not xubuntu has a power management system? it looks like it can only power manage the monitor from the look of settings
[09:40] <Tajmox> ali_ you want it to suspend or power off during inactivity?
[09:41] <ali_> actually, i just want to make sure it doesn't ever switch off or suspend (or anything like that) due to inactivity because i'm gonna be controlling this computer remotely from another one most of the time
[09:43] <Tajmox> it doesn't have that type of power managemnt installed
[09:43] <Tajmox> only display
[09:44] <Tajmox> <3 xubuntu
[09:45] <ali_> oh ok, so the system will just stay like it is permanently? if so then i don't have anything to worry about
[09:47] <somerville32> :)
[09:48] <Tajmox> yep
[09:49] <ali_> cool. thanks for your help
[09:56] <mirf> are there any apps for catalogging and sorting mp3s/oggs etc?
[09:59] <somerville32> mirf: Sure are! :)
[09:59] <mirf> such as..?
[09:59] <mirf> I really want somehign that can tidy all the folders and filenames
[10:00] <mirf> make everythign nicely uniform
[10:00] <somerville32> Well
[10:00] <mirf> but to a scheme of my own design
[10:00] <somerville32> Thunar bulk rename is very powerful
[10:00] <somerville32> *renamer
[10:00] <mirf> oooh
[10:01] <mirf> I think I have that plugin installed..
[10:01] <somerville32> It comes default
[10:01] <mirf> although I think it would still require a lot of manual work
[10:01] <Tajmox> i think you have it installed too
[10:01] <somerville32> mirf: If the tags aren't set, then yes
[10:01] <mirf> yeah tags are part of the problem
[10:02] <mats> w32codecs?
[10:02] <mats> ubotu: ?? w32codecs
[10:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:03] <Tajmox> mirf - easytag
[10:05] <magic_ninja> man....i just caught my roommate stealing my food stamps
[10:05] <Tajmox> i caught my roomate stealing a pack of smokes from my room while i was sleeping this morning
[10:06] <Tajmox> thief roomates suck
[10:06] <magic_ninja> its my cousin too
[10:06] <Tajmox> that doesnt make it ok
[10:06] <magic_ninja> balance on the card was like 15 or 20 bucks and now its 0.00 and she the only one that knew the pw
[10:06] <magic_ninja> PLUS it has been gone for a week or so
[10:07] <magic_ninja> and i know where i put it last
[10:07] <magic_ninja> man...its time to say something
[10:07] <magic_ninja> caught red handed get ya shit and get out
[10:07] <Grey_Loki> Just kick them otu
[10:07] <Grey_Loki> Keep their shit
[10:07] <magic_ninja> b_52Centos: welcome to the xubuntu channel please feel free to ask questions
[10:08] <Grey_Loki> And this should be in #xubuntu-offtopic :P
[10:08] <magic_ninja> i can't its her house...but my grandma actually owns it, she hasn't had it signed over to her yet
[10:08] <b_52Centos> magic_ninja,  thanks :D
[10:08] <magic_ninja> lol
[10:08] <magic_ninja> i'm just feelin frisky
[10:08] <Tajmox> tell grandma
[10:08] <magic_ninja> lol, na
[10:08] <magic_ninja> i aint like that
[10:08] <somerville32> !offtopic
[10:08] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:09] <magic_ninja> i'll just tell her while i'm taking 20 bucks out of her wallet in front of her
[10:09] <magic_ninja> aight i'll quit it heh
[10:09] <somerville32> :)
[10:09] <magic_ninja> feel like i'm in the nerd army lol
[10:10] <magic_ninja> man...i really have to say, i'm just really happy with this linux system...edgy does a great job, i would feel comfortable putting this on an old woman's computer
[10:18] <magic_ninja> is it possible to install windows within a linux filesystem type/
[10:18] <mats> KVM
[10:20] <magic_ninja> ?
[10:33] <bur[n] er> magic_ninja, via vmware
[10:43] <magic_ninja> bur[n] er: ohh, ok ty
[10:47] <somerville32> TheSheep: ping
[11:06] <mats> quemu also
[11:11] <Jester45> hello
[11:12] <mats> hei
[11:12] <mats> hello
[11:12] <mats> what ever
[11:12] <mats> ;)
[11:21] <Jester45> how was your day
[12:13] <liquidengineer> Hi there
[12:13] <liquidengineer> I'm trying to connect to a WPA protected nework
[12:13] <liquidengineer> but network-admin only shows WEP password entry
[12:13] <liquidengineer> *shows=allows
[12:14] <roflarn> i think u need a package called wpa_supplicant
[12:14] <liquidengineer> that's not standard?
[12:14] <somerville32> !info wpa_supplicant
[12:14] <ubotu> Package wpa_supplicant does not exist in any distro I know
[12:14] <somerville32> !find wpa
[12:14] <ubotu> Found: wpasupplicant, wpagui
[12:14] <somerville32> !info wpasupplicant
[12:14] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). In component main, is important. Version 0.5.4-5 (edgy), package size 227 kB, installed size 588 kB
[12:14] <somerville32> !wpagui
[12:14] <ubotu> wpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.4-5 (edgy), package size 96 kB, installed size 224 kB
[12:14] <roflarn> yep there u got it
[12:15] <liquidengineer> I'm on dapper
[12:15] <liquidengineer> will that make a difference?
[12:15] <roflarn> im pretty sure its in dapper repo's too :>
[12:15] <liquidengineer> ah
[12:15] <liquidengineer> I'm on my mac right now
[12:15] <liquidengineer> can I download the files and transfer them over?
[12:16] <roflarn> dunno :p
[12:16] <liquidengineer> I'm kind of suprised its not a standard package
[12:16] <somerville32> liquidengineer, Yeah but I wouldn't recommend it.
[12:17] <liquidengineer> somerville32: Then I've got a problem.
[12:17] <somerville32> liquidengineer, How so?
[12:17] <liquidengineer> I don't have any way to connect otherwise
[12:17] <liquidengineer> I'm running a purely wireless setup
[12:17] <liquidengineer> I'll have to take it somewhere else to hook it up with a hardline
[12:19] <liquidengineer> Thing is, I'm running off a livecd right now
[12:20] <liquidengineer> so wouldn't I have to reinstall this thing every time I wanted to use a wpa network?
[12:20] <somerville32> Yup.
[12:20] <somerville32> You could download it
[12:20] <vidd_laptop> are you only going to use live cd?
[12:20] <Pirate-king> hello
[12:20] <somerville32> And put it on a floppy or something
[12:21] <somerville32> Pirate-king, HI :)
[12:21] <liquidengineer> I eventually want to do a full install.
[12:21] <Pirate-king> could a p200 be a server with xbuntu?
[12:21] <liquidengineer> I was hoping to keep it on the livecd long enough to experiment
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> Pirate-king, JUST ABOUT anything CAN BE A SERVER WITH LINUX
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> *&%%^$ caps lock!!!
[12:22] <Pirate-king> ok to windows boxes
[12:22] <somerville32> :/
[12:22] <somerville32> vidd_laptop: What are you on?
[12:23] <somerville32> Pirate-King: Yes. a p200 could be a server.
[12:23] <somerville32> What do you want to do on your server?
[12:23] <liquidengineer> Thanks for the help
[12:23] <liquidengineer> Bye. :D
[12:23] <Pirate-king> mp3's pictures
[12:23] <somerville32> ie. a file server?
[12:24] <Pirate-king> I got a 200 doing nothing
[12:24] <Pirate-king> yes file serve
[12:24] <Pirate-king> yes file server
[12:25] <somerville32> So you'll want to setup samba
[12:25] <Pirate-king> ok
[12:25] <somerville32> !samba | Pirate-king
[12:25] <ubotu> Pirate-king: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:26] <vidd_laptop> os[Linux 2.6.17-10-generic i686]  distro[Debian testing/unstable]  cpu[1 x Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor         1400MHz @ 1.40GHz]  mem[Physical : 724MB, 75.5% free]  disk[Total : 35.15GB, 71.80% Free]  video[Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device]  sound[]
[12:26] <somerville32> vidd_laptop, eww
[12:27] <vidd_laptop> its a laptop....


[13:59] <sdeziel> Aison0: I'd like to hear from you if the just released bind9 update ( 1:9.16.1-0ubuntu2.3) fixes your crashes/asserts?
[15:29] <hpusysadmin> Hello!
[15:29] <hpusysadmin> I am needing some help with a microsoft active directory authentication.
[15:29] <hpusysadmin> It works and I am on the realm, I can authentication, it all works but one part: passwd/kpasswd
[15:30] <hpusysadmin> When I use either I get an error regarding tokens or complexity, in the log it states '[sssd] [confdb_expand_app_domains] (0x0010): No domains configured, fatal error!'
[15:30] <hpusysadmin> Although when I set the flag on the Microsoft AD to 'change password upon next logon' it successfully applies the password change to the account.
[15:30] <hpusysadmin> Any ideas?
[15:51] <z4kst4r> what is the difference between setting the timezone with `timedatectl set-timezone Asia/Tokyo` vs `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`. Do both do the same thing as change the file /etc/timezone?
[16:22] <Slashman> hello, I know that the ubuntu team did merge some upstream patches from openzfs into the 0.8.3 version for focal, does anyone knows if https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/9749 was one of the patches?
[16:25] <mason> Slashman: Is there a launchpad equivalent? If so, you might find it in "apt changelog zfsutils-linux"
[16:26] <mason> Slashman: AH, yeah:   * Backport AES-GCM performance accelleration (LP: #1881107)
[16:33] <Slashman> mason: thanks!
[16:33] <mason> Slashman: happy to help
[20:41] <Aison> nice, there is a new bind9 version, 9.16.6
[20:42] <Aison> I hope my problems with a crashing bind9 are gone now
[21:26] <RoyK> Aison: probably best to file a bug anyway
[21:27] <RoyK> Aison: unless the new version is in ubuntu already, that is
[21:29] <Aison> RoyK, i'm already in contact per email with the isc security officer
[21:29] <Aison> they told me that they are aware of that problem
[21:29] <Aison> and they hope it is fixed in 9.16.6
[21:30] <Aison> if not, I have to send them directly the core dump files
[21:30] <Aison> (per email)
[21:30] <RoyK> ok


[00:19] <gerard__> hello
[00:19] <gerard__> i'm trying to run an EC2 user-data script that's failing on a Facter run
[00:19] <gerard__> i am running as root... the script executes as desired in the shell
[00:21] <gerard__> here is the error: http://pastebin.com/1bS849g5
[00:23] <gerard__> is there a way to tell cloud-init to continue execution?
[00:25] <gerard__> the user-data script is here: http://pastebin.com/kkcaiKwh
[00:27] <gerard__> anybody home?