[08:34] <mandel> morning!
[08:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[11:07] <gatox> good morning
[11:17] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:17] <mandel> gatox, I have been waiting for your evil machine :)
[11:18] <gatox> mandel, jejeejej i know
[11:18] <mandel> gatox, you know which branches to use?
[11:19] <mandel> gatox, would be lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver and lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests
[11:23] <gatox> mandel, yep
[11:23] <gatox> mandel, pulling and testing
[11:28] <mandel> gatox, thx, I added a wrapper factory that keeps track of all alive connections and removes them at the end by killing the transport, I really hope that it does the trick
[11:30] <gatox> mandel, i run it a couple of times.... and i get always the same failures: http://paste.ubuntu.com/923135/
[11:31] <mandel> gatox, witch revno of ubunutone-dev-tools do you have?
[11:31] <gatox> mandel, i'm using de mocked-webserver revno 75
[11:32] <mandel> gatox, ok, so that did not work when the factory is used as a client factory..
[11:32] <mandel> gatox, dammed, why doesn't it fail in my machine..
[11:32] <gatox> mandel, it's really weird
[12:54] <ralsina>  good morning!
[12:55] <mandel> ralsina, morning!
[12:56] <gatox> ralsina, hi
[12:58] <dobey> hmm
[12:58] <mandel> ok, time for me to go for lunch and take an aspiring.. HTTPClientFactory calls the transport.loseconnection after the deferred is called and that means that we have a connection left there when we leave the test..
[12:58]  * mandel hates this twisted at times..
[12:59] <gatox> mandel, me too :P
[13:01]  * mandel lunch
[13:03] <dobey> what the heck
[13:03] <ralsina> There is a reason why twisted is not called straightforward, you know.
[13:03] <dobey> is it 2012 or 1982?
[13:03] <ralsina> dobey: let me check... are we invading islands? No: 2012!
[13:03] <dobey> 21 Jump Street, Three Stooges, Vacation, and Amazon tells me there's new Bonnie Raitt
[13:05] <ralsina> dobey: that's a combination of 60s and 90s, so probably it's 1978 or so.
[13:05]  * ralsina checks to see if we are winning any world cups.... no, not that either.
[13:06] <dobey> 90s?
[13:10] <alecu> hello, all!
[13:11] <gatox> alecu, hi!
[13:16] <ralsina> dobey: 21 jump street ran from 1987 to 1991. I thught it was later.
[13:17] <ralsina> gatox: what's working?
[13:18] <gatox> ralsina, jejee the problem that i was having with twisted, the client connection when its needed only for ipc, not opening sd for u1sdtool -q and so :P
[13:18] <ralsina> gatox: nice
[13:18] <gatox> yeah!
[13:26] <alecu> ralsina, I'm getting an error while running nessita's last branch: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/923265/
[13:26] <alecu> ralsina, do you know if I'm missing anything?
[13:26] <dobey> yay, i love useless stack traces :(
[13:26] <nessita> alecu: hi there. Looks odd, will re-check in a few minutes.
[13:29] <ralsina> alecu: looking
[13:29] <ralsina> alecu: looks like a missing humanize call
[13:31] <alecu> ralsina, right. I thought that my env may be screwed since tests passed both for you and nessita.
[13:31] <nessita> alecu: do you have nightlies up to date?
[13:31] <ralsina> alecu: and did you merge trunk?
[13:33] <briancurtin> ralsina: would you mind a few minutes to look this over? https://code.launchpad.net/~brian.curtin/ubuntuone-windows-installer/909389-firewall-exception/+merge/101137
[13:33] <ralsina> briancurtin: sure!
[13:34] <alecu> ralsina, I did merge trunk. nessita I updated nightlies yesterday, but this also fails if I point PYTHONPATH to sso and u1c trunk
[13:36] <briancurtin> https://code.launchpad.net/~brian.curtin/ubuntuone-control-panel/c2c-loading/+merge/101246 could also use a look. it's a simple "fix" to move along with windows release - it fixes the Cloud To Computer page
[13:39] <alecu> briancurtin, do we have a bug for the TODO in your branch?
[13:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: +1 on the fw exception (tricky stuff about the paths as usual on bitrock)
[13:40] <briancurtin> alecu: we don't, but i'll make one
[13:40] <ralsina> briancurtin: I am not happy about merging c2c-loading
[13:40] <alecu> briancurtin, please, and add the number to the TODO, and I'll approve.
[13:41] <ralsina> briancurtin: we could add it as a release-patch but if we put that in trunk, we break it on Linux where it works
[13:41] <alecu> ralsina, good point
[13:41] <briancurtin> ralsina: i'm not really happy about it either, and don't know about the linux side of it. keeping it as a release patch would work for me to at least get it moving along
[13:42] <briancurtin> so should i reject the merge proposal, create the bug, and do it as a release patch?
[13:42] <ralsina> briancurtin: ok, let's do that.
[13:42] <briancurtin> writing up the bug now
[13:42] <ralsina> briancurtin: yes, reject the mp, and we manually merge it
[14:10] <dobey> ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-client/openssl-except/+merge/101308 last one :)
[14:10] <ralsina> dobey: I don't believe you :-)
[14:10]  * mandel back
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: you are not deleting the authors in some files
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: lines 605, 638, 671 and so on
[14:11] <dobey> ralsina: i'm not deleting the authors in any files?
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: ok, since you were updating copyrights...
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: thought you may as well update to the current guideline
[14:11] <ralsina> dobey: but it's ok either way
[14:14] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[14:14] <dobey> ah. i didn't remove the Authors lines in any of these branches. but I will happily do that in the future. Author lines in the comment heading are super annoying
[14:14] <dobey> cool
[14:14] <ralsina> dobey: should be easy to automate, remove any line that has<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in it :-)
[14:15] <ralsina> HAHA, if you put a comment that is two spaces and try to send as approve, launchpad ooopses
[14:16] <dobey> nice
[14:28] <mandel> gatox, ping!
[14:28] <gatox> mandel, pong
[14:28] <mandel> gatox, evil machine is required :)
[14:28] <gatox> mandel, i know.....
[14:28] <mandel> gatox, hehehe you feel like a tool :P
[14:28] <mandel> gatox, is here: lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-activation-tests/
[14:29] <gatox> mandel, i'm taking note of this..... your assistance will required in the near future jejejej
[14:29] <mandel> gatox, attempting to remember the protocol used by the HTTPClientProtocol and force a lose connection in a clean up from the client side :)
[14:29] <mandel> gatox, I know.. tic for tac :P
[14:31] <gatox> mandel, which mockserver should i use?? the one from junk or the branch?
[14:32] <mandel> gatox, junk please, so I see the stupid prints :)
[14:32] <gatox> okas
[14:43] <gatox> CONGRATULATIONS  mandel !! all the tests pass, and i've run them several times
[14:44] <mandel> hurray!
[14:44] <mandel> tests on windows are fixed!!!!
[14:44] <briancurtin> three cheers to mandel
[14:45] <mandel> if someone does something again to them I'll swim to their country and kill them with a spoon, no joking!
[14:45] <mandel> briancurtin, thx! I'll clean the code a little so I can get reviews and we can move to automate things with jenkins :)
[14:45] <gatox> jejejejejee
[14:46] <gatox> BBC news: "a spanish programmer die in the middle of the atlantic ocean"
[14:46] <gatox> jejejejee
[14:46] <mandel> gatox, with the state of the country right now, it would be a surprise :P
[14:46] <gatox> jejee
[14:54] <ralsina> gatox, mandel, alecu, thisfred, dobey, briancurtin, urbanape: standup in 6' (who did I forget this time?)
[14:54] <thisfred> you forgot Harry
[14:56] <ralsina> OMG! Harry!
[15:00] <gatox> me
[15:01] <briancurtin> me
[15:01] <mandel> me
[15:01] <ralsina> me
[15:02] <gatox> alecu, thisfred dobey urbanape ?
[15:02] <briancurtin> urbanape is on vacation
[15:02] <thisfred> me
[15:02] <gatox> briancurtin, ahhhh right
[15:02] <thisfred> DONE: u1db split_words mapping u
[15:03] <thisfred> ahh
[15:03] <alecu> me
[15:03] <ralsina> gatox: go, dobey is last
[15:03] <gatox> DONE:
[15:03] <gatox> Fixed Bug #907479 (opening syncdaemon only when it's necessary). Test in linux: OK, fixing tests on windows.
[15:03] <gatox> TODO:
[15:03] <gatox> Finish with the tests for #907479 and keep working in the other branchs pending.
[15:03] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[15:03] <gatox> No
[15:03] <gatox> briancurtin, go
[15:04] <briancurtin> DONE: testing installer, fighting with readonly tests and setup
[15:04] <briancurtin> TODO: giving readonly a break for this half day, building a script that will take care of the manual steps of installer building
[15:04] <briancurtin> NOTE: today is a half day for me, i have to leave in 2 hours
[15:04] <briancurtin> BLOCKED: none
[15:04] <briancurtin> NEXT: mandel
[15:04] <mandel> DONE: Fixed all tests on windows for ubuntu-sso-client.
[15:04] <mandel> TODO: Clean the branches a little (lint, comments, remove debugging prints), propose, beg for reviews. Talk with brian about automation.
[15:04] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[15:04] <mandel> ralsina, please
[15:04] <ralsina> DONE: caught up, did some reviews, did some IRL testing of windows release candidate. TODO: try to get the windows release out after the linux release, see if I can fix the "remove local device and everything breaks" bug  BLOCKED: feeling kinda sore-throaty NEXT: thisfred
[15:05] <thisfred> DONE: u1db split_words mapping in C TODO: refactoring u1db index mappings and extending test suite BLOCKED: no NEXT: alecu
[15:05] <alecu> DONE: sifted thru SD bugs, started with security bug updates
[15:05] <alecu> TODO: mumble with ralsina, security bug
[15:05] <alecu> NEXT:
[15:05] <alecu> EOM?
[15:05] <ralsina> crap, security bug
[15:05] <ralsina> dobey?
[15:06] <ralsina> alecu: let me call you on the phone, mumble is working strange
[15:07] <dobey> oops
[15:07] <dobey> me
[15:08] <dobey> λ DONE: finish bug #968555, reviews
[15:08] <dobey> λ TODO: releases, uploads, SRUs, finish u1db packaging
[15:08] <dobey> λ BLCK: none.
[15:11] <thisfred> mandel: you introduced bzr pipelines to the team right?
[15:12] <thisfred> I am trying to use them, but have some problems
[15:12] <thisfred> mainly pushing fails
[15:12] <thisfred> and lp doesn't pick up on the prereq branches
[15:12] <thisfred> the two may be related
[15:13] <mandel> thisfred, may I see the error you are getting and the commands used?
[15:14] <thisfred> mandel, whenever I push, I get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/923429/
[15:14] <thisfred> maybe I need to set bzr locations differently?
[15:15] <mandel> thisfred,  have you done a bzr sync-pipeline first?
[15:15] <thisfred> to work around, I used bzr push lp:~thisfred/project/branch
[15:15] <thisfred> mandel: possibly not
[15:16] <mandel> thisfred, do that using the first pipe and pointing to lp
[15:16] <thisfred> when do I do that? when starting the pipeline
[15:16] <mandel> thisfred, so, you did a reconfigure-pipeline, right?
[15:16] <thisfred> or whenever I need to push?
[15:16] <mandel> thisfred, first time you sync, after that you can use push
[15:17] <thisfred> mandel: ok, awesome. Yeah I did reconfigure-pipeline
[15:17] <thisfred> guess that was the one step missing
[15:17] <mandel> thisfred,  :)
[15:17] <thisfred> thx!
[15:17] <mandel> thisfred, try that and let me know if it fixed the problem
[15:19] <thisfred> mandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/923437/
[15:20] <thisfred> but that could be because those branches were pushed manually already?
[15:20] <mandel> thisfred, bzr sync-pipeline lp:~thisfred/u1db/c-mappings
[15:20] <thisfred> oh ok
[15:25]  * gatox lunch
[15:30] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/libubuntuone/update-from-trunk/+merge/101396
[15:30] <dobey> and i am off to get some lunch. bbiab :)
[15:48] <mandel> alecu, ping
[15:52] <alecu> mandel, pong
[15:53] <mandel> alecu, can you give me a hand with a problem I have with the time checker tests?
[15:53] <alecu> mandel, sure!
[15:54] <mandel> alecu, so, the main problem I have is that if I change the url from http://localhost:portnum to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:portnum the tests fail with a HTTP Error 504: Gateway Time-out
[15:54] <mandel> alecu, do you know why?
[15:55] <mandel> alecu, I wanted to remove the need of using localhost if the mockwebserver returns the ip address
[15:55] <alecu> mandel, can you point me at the branch?
[15:55] <mandel> alecu, sure, give me a sec to push it
[15:56] <alecu> mandel, I'm not quite understanding which url you are referring to
[15:59] <mandel> alecu, in lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-broken-tests revno 957 you will see there is a todo in ubuntu_sso/utils/tests/test_common.py
[16:01] <mandel> alecu, that branch depends on lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver
[16:01] <alecu> mandel, awesome, I'll take a look now.
[16:01] <mandel> alecu, thx!
[16:02] <mandel> alecu, in any case I can just pass locahost and get it working, it seems that using the ip address just makes it fail on linux..
[16:10] <mandel> gatox, ping!
[16:10] <gatox> mandel, pong
[16:10] <mandel> gatox, I made some changes in the brach, it was mainly renaming, but can you check in your machine?
[16:11] <gatox> mandel, okkkkkkk
[16:11] <gatox> mandel, pull only fix-activation?
[16:11] <mandel> gatox, lp:~mandel/ubuntu-sso-client/fix-fix-activation-tests and lp:~mandel/ubuntuone-dev-tools/mocked-webserver
[16:13] <gatox> mandel, okas
[16:19] <gatox> mandel, bad news :S
[16:19] <mandel> gatox, tell me, If I broke them I can revert :)
[16:19] <gatox> mandel, the 13 tests failures are back
[16:22] <mandel> gatox, let me revert the changes
[16:22] <gatox> okas
[16:33] <ralsina> Lunch time!
[16:34] <alecu> mandel, the 504 error is a very odd one.
[16:34] <alecu> mandel, do you happen to have proxies enabled when running those tests?
[16:35] <mandel> alecu, no, and it gets fixed by removing the ip for localhost
[16:36] <mandel> alecu, I need to go (rugby) will be back later to char about it, nevertheless I've proposed the branhces that fix the tests
[16:37] <alecu> mandel, I'm running the tests on linux, with <IP_ADDRESS>, and all pass :-/
[16:38] <mandel> alecu, weird.. the fail in mine, wtf?
[16:38] <alecu> mandel, that "504" error really sounds like something a proxy would return.
[16:38] <mandel> alecu, I know.. I was very puzzled..
[16:38] <alecu> mandel, for instance: http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E504_es.html
[16:39] <mandel> alecu, I read the same page :)
[16:39] <alecu> mandel, it's the top hit for 504 gateway timeout!
[16:39] <mandel> alecu, I need to go, people are waiting, I'll be back and will try to find what is going on
[16:40] <mandel> alecu, good news are, tests are fixed and up for reviews \o/
[16:40] <mandel> all, I need to go, last week of rugby, laters!
[16:40] <alecu> mandel, awesome, have a good time.
[16:42] <dobey> maybe i should just turn off spell checking in firefox
[16:42] <dobey> so yeah
[16:42] <dobey> can someone please review https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/libubuntuone/update-from-trunk/+merge/101396 ?
[16:43] <dobey> hmm, where's nessita?
[16:46] <dobey> ralsina: ^^ do i need to do all the releases that nessita normally handles, as well?
[16:56] <briancurtin> i'm out of here for my half-day, see everyone tomorrow
[17:10]  * alecu runs to the bank, and for some errands.
[17:16] <gatox> brb
[17:33] <ralsina> dobey: yes, but alecu will give you a hand
[17:33] <ralsina> dobey: sadly he doesn't have upload rights
[17:33] <ralsina> dobey: I got the review
[17:35] <dobey> will be a lot of reviews coming soon
[17:35] <ralsina> dobey: when did oauth.c oauth.h get deleted? I don't recall that branch
[17:36] <dobey> ralsina: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/libubuntuone/trunk/revision/150
[17:36] <dobey> didn't you review that branch?
[17:36] <dobey> ah no
[17:36] <dobey> gatox_brb and thisfred did
[17:37] <thisfred> I always approve any deletion
[17:38] <ralsina> dobey: ok, approving then!
[17:54] <ralsina> people, I feel like crap (fever, sore throat), so I am kinda slow today. Dobey, I will do your reviews, gatox, I just gave you the bug I was working on. I am taking some ibuprofen to see if that helps.
[17:55] <gatox> ack
[17:57] <gatox> alecu, ping
[18:02] <gatox> alecu, cancel ping
[18:05] <dobey> https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu-sso-client/update-from-trunk/+merge/101427
[18:05] <dobey> ralsina: ^^
[18:05] <ralsina> dobey: got it
[18:07] <ralsina> dobey: +1
[18:12] <gatox> alecu, if you can, please, review this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-client/syncdaemon-q/+merge/100984
[18:13] <dobey> gatox: nessita will need to review it
[18:13] <dobey> or finish reviewing it
[18:14] <gatox> dobey, yes, i know..... but i would like that alecu review it too, because i discuss part of the implementationn with him
[18:14] <dobey> ok
[18:31] <dobey> meh
[18:32] <dobey> why do we have tests that depend on locale :(
[18:44] <tgall_foo> urbanape, ping
[18:49] <dobey> tgall_foo: he's away this week
[18:49] <dobey> tgall_foo: so you probably won't have much luck poking him on IRC. :)
[18:50] <tgall_foo> ahh thanks dobey
[18:51] <tgall_foo> knocked off a number of bugs from the iOS ubuntuone Files app, figured it'd be great to talk to him see what all might be helpful
[19:18] <gatox> ralsina, if you can: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/current-device-removed/+merge/101432
[19:18] <ralsina> gatox: sure
[19:18] <gatox> thanks
[19:24] <ralsina> out on errands, will be back in 20/30 minutes
[20:02] <alecu> gatox, pong
[20:02] <gatox> alecu, no, i made a cancel ping :P
[20:03] <gatox> alecu, but if you can, i would like that you review the branch about the connect sd
[20:07] <alecu> gatox, reviewing, yes.
[20:12] <alecu> gatox, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFR2j7PCbk&feature=youtu.be&t=1h38m47s
[20:14] <gatox> alecu, you are awesome!!!!!
[20:14] <gatox> jejejeje
[20:16] <alecu> gatox, I still need to find the part where I show up :P
[20:16] <gatox> alecu, don't you have it??
[20:17] <alecu> gatox, the youtube link I pasted is the full movie, and I know that at 1h38m47s my name shows up onscreen.... but I can't recall at what part of the film my face shows up, if at all :-)
[20:18] <alecu> gatox, I'm just another extra with a lot of zombie makeup on.
[20:22] <ralsina> gatox: +1
[20:22] <gatox> ralsina, great
[20:29] <gatox> eod here!! see you tomorrow people
[20:29] <gatox> alecu, if you have a minute.... please review this really small branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/current-device-removed/+merge/101432
[20:29] <gatox> byeeeee
[20:49] <dobey> hmm
[20:49] <dobey> haha
[20:49] <dobey> plaga zombie
[20:50] <dobey> ralsina: do we need that branch of diego's, in the release?
[20:50] <ralsina> dobey: well, it's a good bugfix
[20:51] <ralsina> dobey: there is one other release, right? But it won't be able to go in that one?
[20:51] <dobey> ralsina: today is 3.0.0
[20:51] <ralsina> dobey: so, no more releases
[20:51] <ralsina> right, I missed last week's!
[20:51] <dobey> ralsina: there are no more releases before ubuntu 12.04
[20:51] <ralsina> dobey: It would be nice to have it
[20:52] <dobey> though we may be able to SRU things if we need to
[20:52] <ralsina> dobey: what's your opinion? It's a quite visible bug :-/
[20:52] <dobey> well it's a small enough change
[20:52] <ralsina> ok, let's do it
[20:52] <dobey> if it fixes it, land it and we'll get it in
[20:53] <ralsina> dobey: it's missing one review
[20:53] <dobey> nonsense
[20:53] <dobey> but i'll approve it
[20:53] <ralsina> dobey: ack
[20:54] <dobey> i suppose we need to clarify the whole "number of reviews required" thing
[21:03] <dobey> qengho: interesting change of nick, that
[21:03] <qengho> dobey, too many misunderstandings.
[21:04] <dobey> heh. no comfy chair?
[21:05] <qengho> Right.  And these kids today (*shakes fist*) have never seen anything older than "Friends" and they think Ruby is cool.
[21:06] <dobey> ugh, kids today
[21:11] <dobey> ralsina: when will you do the win release? tomorrow?
[21:20] <ralsina> dobey: assuming the tarballs are done today, yes
[21:20] <ralsina> dobey: or rather, we start it tomorrow, will probably finish it on friday
[21:21] <ralsina> brb
[21:21] <dobey> ralsina: ok, i still need to do ubuntuone-windows-installer, ubuntuone-client, and ubuntuone-control-panel
[21:27] <alecu> I'm feeling like crap, so I'm calling this an early EOD.
[21:27] <alecu> bye all!
[21:34] <dobey> by alecu
[21:34] <dobey> err, bye
[21:34] <dobey> ralsina: given the time, i think i'll need to get those 3 done in the morning. and uploads tomorrow as well.
[21:35] <dobey> though i might do a couple of the easy no-changes uploads later on tonight
[21:36] <ralsina> dobey: there is no point on doing windows-installer anymore, since it installs no code
[21:37] <ralsina> or maybe yes, but it has very few changes
[21:38] <dobey> well it's just a tarball release
[21:39] <dobey> it still contains data and/or scripts for building the actual installer, afaik
[21:40] <ralsina> right
[21:41] <ralsina> EOD for me. dobey, if you propose branches, mail me, I may take a look early tomorrow
[21:41] <ralsina> depending on sleepyness
[21:41] <dobey> right
[21:41] <dobey> later :)
[21:41] <dobey> i'm off as well
[21:41] <ralsina> dobey: on second thought, windows-installer needs changes for a stable release (like, setting numbers and versions)
[21:42] <ralsina> dobey: so either brian or I have to propose that one
[21:48] <dobey> brian's branch bumped the "203" to "1000" or something
[21:49] <ralsina> that should be enough :-)


[06:26] <A55A551N> Hi all...
[06:27] <A55A551N> I'm new to Linux and I am trying to transition using Ubuntu as a suggestion from a Linux savvy co-worker...
[06:27] <A55A551N> I am on the part of downloading source or binary packages, the extract, compiling, and installation of these....
[06:28] <A55A551N> it is a bit duanting and complex for me....I was wondering if I could get some help with these...?
[06:29] <A55A551N> I know Synaptic is a utility that can faicilitate this for the most part...
[06:30] <A55A551N> but, I am trying to understand and familiarize myself with this process from at the very rawest level possible, which, I believe is through the shell. I want to understand the process through the shell....
[06:30] <A55A551N> now...don't all rush to answer.....LOL!


[12:35] <vtkix> hello
[15:19] <stgraber> ogra: all bugs/suggestions I had for 1.0.9 are now implemented (I just uploaded a patch to add auto-arranging of screen preview). We'll probably have 1.0.9 released soon.
[15:20] <ogra> yay
[15:20] <stgraber> that also means I now have all the bits I wanted for the backport
[15:20] <ogra> perfect
[19:55] <blkdg> hello, how fast does edubuntu PPC run on a G3 imac?
[19:55] <blkdg> does anyone here use edubuntu PPC ?
[19:59] <blkdg> Thanks PriceChild.
[20:00] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads for anyone else reading this (PMd blk after seeing a different channel)


[00:03] <erichammond> Using Natty I've turned off "Window Decoration" as I use key combinations to do window moving/resizing/close/etc.  I'm almost completely happy, but would like to have a very thin border around my windows (no title bar).  Is there a decoration option/theme for this?
[00:16] <dave92082> greetings all
[00:17] <erichammond> 'lo dave92082
[00:19] <dave92082> new around these parts...
[00:20] <dave92082> just wondering how active the San Diego people are
[00:25] <dave92082> i guess not much :)
[00:29] <pleia2> dave92082: I think people are mostly still at work :)
[00:29] <pleia2> we have a few san diego folks
[00:44] <dave92082> I figured with having Qualcomm here and all we (San Diego) would have an active group
[00:45] <pleia2> they had an event in april, and I sent some disks down to DarkwingDuck recently
[00:45] <pleia2> so I'm sure they'll be doing more stuff soon :)
[00:45] <dave92082> cool
[00:50] <The_Letter_M> Hello All
[01:19] <The_Letter_M> How is everyone today?
[04:51] <The_Letter_M> Hello all
[05:16] <The_Letter_M> Hello
[05:16] <pleia2> evening
[05:17] <The_Letter_M> How are you tonight?
[05:17] <pleia2> good, you?
[05:17] <The_Letter_M> I'm good
[05:18] <The_Letter_M> recently switch from Ubuntu to Fedora 15 and then back to Kubuntu
[05:18] <The_Letter_M> Now I have a weird issue
[05:20] <The_Letter_M> I installed the proprietary Nvidia driver and have since rebooted. Now when I go to "Additional Drivers" it says "the driver is activated but not in use". How do I force Kubuntu to use it?
[05:24] <The_Letter_M> Any ideas on how to fix this?
[05:32] <The_Letter_M> Hmm
[05:33] <The_Letter_M> I do lsmod and it shows Nvidia instead of novou (however it's spelled)
[05:33] <The_Letter_M> I take it that means I'm good
[05:34]  * pleia2 isn't all that familiar with kubuntu
[05:34] <pleia2> but yeah, that should mean you're fine
[05:38] <The_Letter_M> If my system is locking up on shutdown, where would I find the logs?
[05:39] <pleia2> probably syslog or dmesg, but it depends on where it's locking up (after the logging daemons are shut down? no longs)
[05:39] <pleia2> s/longs/logs
[05:46] <The_Letter_M> How do I enable the ACPI Log?
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> are there any added benefits (such as speed) for using the nvidia drivers? my computer is running fine right now and im not planning on playing any 3D games. any detriments for using the base setup?
[19:41] <pleia2> if it's fine, I wouldn't mess with it :)
[19:41] <akk> I think the drivers are for 3d games and maybe high-def fullscreen video.
[19:42] <pleia2> I usually only enable the proprietary drivers when something is wrong/missing from my experience
[19:43] <pleia2> (the open source broadcom driver works for my wifi card, but range is terrible and it disconnects frequently, so I had to install the other one)
[19:43] <iheartubuntu> so i would be fine doing inkscape, gimp, etc even without the nvidia drivers
[19:44] <pleia2> probably
[19:44] <rww> yes
[19:44] <akk> None of those should need the proprietary drivers.
[19:45] <iheartubuntu> good good. thinks seem faster without them :)
[23:08] <nhaines> Well, that was exciting.  The building just got evacuated, then they sounded the all clear and now we're back.
[23:09] <pleia2> happy friday :)
[23:26] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks!  :)
[23:57] <nuboon2age> I'm thinking i'll postpone the Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto to another date since no one has signed up for it jtatum , pleia2, aaditya , crashsystems1 , crashsystems
[23:58] <nuboon2age> MarkDude: how was The Maker Faire.  Sorry I missed it.
[23:58] <pleia2> yikes, canceling with only 3 hour notice?
[23:58] <pleia2> we really want to avoid canceling on such short notice :(
[23:59] <nuboon2age> postponing pleia2, but i don't know anyone who's coming.
[23:59] <nuboon2age> besides me.
[23:59] <pleia2> not everyone can use loco directory for registration, and a lot of folks work and don't check channel before coming down
[23:59] <nuboon2age> i'm willing to still do it, but there've been several times where i did solo efforts and you know how unfun that is pleia2


[06:13] <didrocks> good morning
[06:19] <jibel> Ssalut didrocks
[06:25] <didrocks> salut jibel
[06:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:53] <duflu> Morning didrocks, jibel and oSoMoN
[06:54] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[06:55] <oSoMoN> you had a good holiday?
[06:55] <duflu> oSoMoN, it was nice for a few days but then of course I finally got a cold for most of a week
[06:56] <duflu> Dubai was almost 40 degrees and humid every day
[06:56] <duflu> At least it's predictable
[06:58] <oSoMoN> :/
[06:58] <oSoMoN> I hope you managed to enjoy your time off despite this
[07:16] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut oSoMoN
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:25] <oSoMoN> tu as passé un bon week-end?
[07:26] <didrocks> oSoMoN: très bien, et toi ?
[07:36] <oSoMoN> oui, super
[07:37] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[07:37] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN
[07:40] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[07:41] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:41] <willcooke> afternoon duflu
[07:42] <willcooke> duflu, are you back home again?
[07:42] <willcooke> and isn't a public holiday?
[07:42] <duflu> willcooke, my body is but not my sleeping patterns
[07:42] <willcooke> :)
[07:43] <didrocks> will need some days to recover I guess ;)
[07:43] <willcooke> hi didrocks
[07:43] <duflu> Yeah it's a public holiday but I have to work today to afford time for my actual vacation
[07:43] <willcooke> ha
[07:45] <duflu> willcooke, actually that's only Western Australia because who needs consistency?
[07:46] <willcooke> oh, how odd
[07:47] <RAOF> There are a bunch of state-only public holidays!
[07:48] <RAOF> It comes of having an actually devolved governance structure :P
[07:48] <RAOF> Also, hello all!
[07:48] <RAOF> I, too, am finally no longer on Paris time!
[07:50] <duflu> 🙃🇦🇺
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[07:59] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson
[08:00] <willcooke> hey marcustomlinson RAOF
[08:00] <Wimpress> o/
[08:00] <willcooke> morning Wimpress
[08:01] <didrocks> morning Wimpress
[08:02] <Laney> yo yo
[08:02] <willcooke> what up Laney
[08:03] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> got a cold /o\
[08:04] <willcooke> :(
[08:04] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:04] <didrocks> Martin got one (and fever), hoping to not be next
[08:05] <Laney> :(
[08:05] <Laney> bad nights then?
[08:06] <Laney> guess it's probably flu vaccination time eh
[08:07] <didrocks> not that bad TBH, just feeling a little bit worry and trying to get the temperature down
[08:08] <Laney> ♥
[08:08] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson, Wimpress and Laney
[08:08] <Laney> wb duflu
[08:12] <Laney> argh
[08:12] <Laney> the shower radio just mysteriously turned itself on
[08:13] <Laney> ...the intro scene to a murder drama...
[08:13] <willcooke> At least you have clean ghosts
[08:13] <Laney> ghosts who like andrew marr
[08:13] <Laney> good taste
[08:14]  * Laney eyes ubiquity with displeasure
[08:14] <Laney> new systemd broke it
[08:16] <jibel> what broke?
[08:17] <Laney> udev thing
[08:41] <Wimpress> willcooke: I had reports over the weekend that Steam segfaults on Ubuntu 19.10 on system that have the nvidia proprietary driver loaded.
[08:41] <Wimpress> I can reproduce.
[08:42] <Wimpress> Seems to be because nvidia :i386 userspace is not installed when installing Steam.
[08:42] <Wimpress> Debian steam package appears to be a couple of years ahead of what is in Ubuntu.
[08:42] <willcooke> tseliot, ^
[08:42] <Wimpress> Not sure how to progress this.
[08:42] <willcooke> Is it a driver issue?
[08:43] <Wimpress> No.
[08:43] <Wimpress> I don't believe so. I have drivers install and the systyem works.
[08:43] <Wimpress> Just no i386 nvidia user space install when `apt install steam`
[08:43] <willcooke> ah, I see
[08:43] <willcooke> so we need Valve to update their package?
[08:44] <willcooke> Is there anything we can do in the meantime?
[08:44] <Wimpress> Well, I am install from the deb in the archive.
[08:44] <Wimpress> And that is ancient.
[08:44] <willcooke> We should probably get rid of that package
[08:44] <willcooke> Do you know if the one in Debian is any newer?
[08:45] <Wimpress> Debian steam package appears to have debconf rules to prompt users about nvidia i386.
[08:45] <Wimpress> Yes, debian steam package is considerably newer.
[08:45] <tseliot> the nvidia metapackage recommends the i386 libraries
[08:45] <tseliot> nvidia-driver-$version
[08:48] <willcooke> Wimpress, if we merge Steam from Debian would that sort it?
[08:49] <Wimpress> I think more research required.
[08:49] <Wimpress> I'll report back.
[08:49] <willcooke> thanks a lot Wimpress.
[08:49] <willcooke> tsimonq2, looks like you looked at the Steam packages, do you have any plans to update them again?
[08:55] <duflu> Looks like Ubuntu is about 1 year and 7 months behind debian (https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/s/steam/steam_<IP_ADDRESS>-2_changelog)
[08:58] <Wimpress> Manually install the nvidia-driver-435 Recommends: packages gets me a working steam. Several people reported this issue.
[08:59] <Wimpress> I'll find out if they were fresh installs or upgrades and what driver version they have.
[09:01] <tseliot> Wimpress, does steam try to pull in the nvidia driver? If so, maybe they use --no-recommends ?
[09:10] <Wimpress> tseliot: No, steam is not pulling in the nvidia drivers.
[09:10] <Wimpress> Which is fine.
[09:11] <Wimpress> The newer debian steam package use debconf to prompt users about installing i386 nvidia driver if the nvidia kernel module is present.
[09:13] <Laney> bah
[09:13] <Laney> I'd ported ubiquity to use GUdev instead of parsing the output of udevadm info
[09:14] <Laney> but now I'm not sure that is ok as it would mean the main ubiquity package depends on gi stuff
[09:17] <Laney> in practice it would mean adding gir1.2-gudev-1.0
[09:17] <Laney> 4K compressed
[09:21] <tseliot> Wimpress, oh, ok. The nvidia packages is Ubuntu are not necessarily like the ones in Debian. So, maybe the debconf code needs to be changed a little to match our drivers
[09:46] <Laney> xnox: any thought on https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=a270d8431f199dd112fabc552abd16a3993d8d58 vs just fixing the path?
[09:48] <Laney> dunno why you're not in #-installer any more
[09:48] <Laney> hope you aren't trying to escape ;-)
[09:51] <xnox> Laney:  yes bindings is nicer!
[09:51] <Laney> main thing is that it moves the gi deps up to main ubiquity package
[09:52] <xnox> Laney:  bug. i think my autojoin is not persistent when i crash znc
[09:52] <xnox> bah
[09:52] <xnox> not znc, weechat
[09:52] <xnox> i switchted to weechat-headless
[13:10] <Laney> sniffle sniffle
[14:37] <kenvandine> ahayzen: flatpak SRU is in disco-proposed now
[14:39] <ahayzen[m]> kenvandine: thanks ! i saw it appear over the weekend and did the verification last night :-D I'll keep an eye out for the bionic one :-)
[14:39] <hellsworth> morning everyone
[14:40] <didrocks> hey hellsworth
[14:41] <hellsworth> cheers (with my cofffee again) didrocks :)
[14:42] <didrocks> heh ;) /me had second and last coffee on the day before it's too late for finding sleep later on ;)
[14:42] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[14:42] <hellsworth> yeah i understand. it's weird how when i was younger i could drink coffee right up until bed time and be fine. ah the joys of age :)
[14:43] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN, hope things are well with you :)
[14:43] <marcustomlinson> Hey hellsworth
[14:43] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson
[14:44] <oSoMoN> yeah I'm fine, knee-deep in debugging a thunderbird issue on ppc64el, not the most interesting task on earth, but I know I'll nail it eventually
[14:45] <didrocks> hellsworth: you are calling me old!
[14:45] <didrocks> well… ok ;)
[14:46]  * didrocks goes crying in a small (and dark) corner :p
[14:49] <hellsworth> haha no no i mean't i'm old
[14:50] <hellsworth> oSoMoN, you can do it! i love thunderbird and can't live without it so keep up the fixes :)
[14:51] <didrocks> thundebird on mainframe, that's an interesting concept though :p
[14:54] <willcooke> morning hellsworth
[15:01] <hellsworth> hi willcooke , how goes the beta iso testing? still need a hand?
[15:02] <willcooke> Thanks for the offer, but the beta is done now (and we found plenty of bugs).  We'll start doing more ISO testing in a week or so
[15:02] <hellsworth> ok sounds good. i'm happy to help with the next round, for realsies :)
[15:03] <hellsworth> what is the exact date of release?
[15:03] <willcooke> 17 Oct
[15:04] <hellsworth> ah ok. I guess I already asked that because it was already on my calendar :)
[15:04] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EoanErmine/ReleaseSchedule
[15:05] <hellsworth> oh thanks! that's handy!
[16:39] <kenvandine> at what point should i see the colored battery icon?
[16:40] <kenvandine> mine is at 34% and it's red
[16:40] <kenvandine> but upower doesn't think it should be red
[16:40] <kenvandine>     icon-name:          'battery-good-symbolic'
[16:40] <kenvandine> I wouldn't think battery-good-symbolic should be red or orange
[16:40] <willcooke> hmm, cant remember exactly.  I think it was 20% or thereabouts
[16:41] <willcooke> kenvandine, is it this?  https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/1531
[16:41] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 1531 in yaru "Battery icon looks red, even when the battery is full" [Closed]
[16:42] <hellsworth> kenvandine, if you systemctl restart upower does it change to not be red anymore?
[16:42] <kenvandine> it was white until like 20 minutes ago
[16:42] <kenvandine> restarting upower didn't ake a difference
[16:42] <hellsworth> ah ok
[16:43] <kenvandine> upower -d gives an icon name that i would think would not be red
[16:44] <kenvandine> i'm going to charge to see what upower reports after it changes back to white
[16:48] <Laney> pretty sure gnome-shell is deciding which icon to use on its own rather than using that property
[16:56] <kenvandine> at 43% it's still showing the red icon
[17:09] <willcooke> night all.
[17:09] <willcooke> kenvandine, I will test that icon tomorrow
[17:21] <hellsworth> kenvandine, i think the percentage can't be trusted because i know my laptop is at 100%. it's been charging all night and when i boot with power connected it says 100% but when i unplug the power, it says 94%.
[17:21] <hellsworth> i want to file a bug about this but not sure which package relates to the top bar battery icon
[17:21] <hellsworth> gnome-control-center maybe?
[17:22] <kenvandine> gnome-shell i think
[17:22] <hellsworth> ok
[17:22] <hellsworth> out of curiosity, do you see different percentages with your power plugged in vs not?
[17:23] <kenvandine> hellsworth: nope
[17:23] <kenvandine> same
[17:23] <hellsworth> hmm interesting
[17:28] <xnox> hm
[17:28] <xnox> where was the bug report htat ubuntu desktop fails to reboot?
[17:29] <jibel> xnox, bug 1840122
[17:29] <jibel> feel free to retitle it, I didn't have any meaningful data to make a meaningful title
[17:35] <xnox> jibel:  tah.
[17:36] <hellsworth> I have more weird power behavior: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1846000
[17:38] <kenvandine> hellsworth: what does upower -d say?
[17:38] <kenvandine> both plugged in and unplugged?
[17:39] <kenvandine> percentage varying, it's probably not gnome-shell
[17:40] <kenvandine> the icon selection might be though, which is what i'm seeing
[17:44] <hellsworth> the output of upower -d looks pretty normal in both cases
[17:44] <hellsworth> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/444807989/plugged-in.out
[17:44] <hellsworth> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/444808021/unplugged.out
[17:46] <hellsworth> i think my battery is too full to show 'battery-good-symbolic' so i'll let it discharge a bit
[17:49] <kenvandine> so upower is showing the same percentage but the shell is showing the wrong value
[17:51] <hellsworth> well the percentage upower shows is the same percentage that is displayed in gnome-shell, now... it's weird that when i plug in my power, gnome-shell briefly says 100% before going back to 92%
[17:52] <mgedmin> maybe it's the battery firmware doing tricks/being buggy?
[17:53] <hellsworth> could be
[17:53]  * mgedmin had a sketchy thinkpad battery that always reported "design capacity" to be exactly 1% more than "last full capacity"
[17:53] <mgedmin> "wow, this battery still has 99% design capacity after five years of use!"
[17:53] <hellsworth> that would explain why i'm the only one seeing 1846000 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1845532
[17:54] <hellsworth> well to be fair, this laptop is just over 2 weeks old....
[17:54] <hellsworth> so i expect high percentages
[18:00] <xnox> jibel:  i think i have a fix


[01:28] <rusty> anyone... what's the correct status to change a blueprint too that says 'I think i'm don't... please review me'.  Would that 'Pending Approval' or 'Review', or ???
[01:35] <rusty> i'm going to guess 'Pending Approval'
[01:09] <Mithrandir> grr, there are 32-bits-isms in hildon-desktop or the theme engine or something like that. :-/
[02:45] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: hiya
[02:46] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: do you get a nice picture as the backgroud when running hildon-desktop?
[02:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hi.
[02:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Not from start, you hav to select one.
[02:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: To tell you the truth, I don't know if it's expected to be this way or not, never bother to ask.
[02:48] <Mithrandir> hmm
[02:49] <agoliveira> brb
[02:51] <Mithrandir> ** (hildon-desktop:24629): WARNING **: Error when setting background: Window 20007d not found
[02:52] <Mithrandir> and that window id is constant.
[02:53] <Mithrandir> oh, and do we have any applets to test with?
[03:07] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: where did the non-trunk control-panel-applet branch go?
[03:08] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: It looks like it didn't :( I checked this right now and looks like it wans't imported yet. I was about to talk to the LP guys to see what happened because they told me that it would be there by today.
[03:08] <Mithrandir> if you could do that, that would be good
[03:09] <agoliveira> Sure, I was about to. Anyway the current trunk will be replaced by the revamped version as the current trunk is being discontinued.
[03:17] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I just spoke to mwhudson and he's having problems to import a non-trunk branch as it requires changes on LP itself. He expects to have it done by the end of the day today.
[03:19] <Mithrandir> ok
[03:20] <Mithrandir> do we have any applets/plugins for the home screen to test with?
[03:57] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sorry about the delay, I was talking to Matt. I don't think we have anything like that but I know Bob Spencer have being working on it. Perhaps some of the Maemo ones from the garage project site might work but I didn't try.
[05:49] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Do you have the logs from our ume meetings? Mdz is asking but I just have the last one.
[05:51] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ should have it, if not ask me and I'll dig it out
[05:52] <agoliveira> Thanks
[06:49] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Aren't we going to have our weekly meeting tomorrow?
[06:50] <charliefjohnson> I had heard it was going to be on Friday this week ?
[06:51] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: we agreed to move it to Friday last meeting.
[06:51] <charliefjohnson> What time?
[06:52] <Mithrandir> 1600 UTC
[06:52] <Mithrandir> unless somebody protests loudly
[06:52] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Bah, sorry, I remembered that I just I tought today was thursday :)


[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[16:55] <Javito> when new catalyst 12.9 will be released will be it added to repo? at the moment fglrx drivers doesn't work with 12.10 (unity dash crash)
[17:00] <Jeggy> Hey
[17:03] <dholbach> Can you maybe talk a bit about automated testing in the Unity world? :)
[17:05] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: i'll ask in a sec
[17:11] <dholbach> thanks JoseeAntonioR
[17:11] <JoseeAntonioR> sure
[17:12] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/autopilot
[17:12] <mhall119> docs are in-branch, I'm working on getting them hosted somewhere
[17:23]  * mhall119 is here
[17:24] <mhall119> Yeah, compiz and X have been very stable the last couple of releases
[17:25] <mhall119> so has Unity, really, except for when I run staging + other PPAs at the same time


[01:35] <xubuntu38w> Hello, I am new to using this type of chat service.  I have forumalted a question about Bionic Beaver with screen shots.  Is this the appropriate place to ask the question and post screen shots?  Thank you for your patience.
[01:42] <krytarik> xubuntu38w: Depends on the question really, just start by asking it.
[01:47] <xubuntu38w> OK, thank you.  Here is the question and is there a way to show screen shots on this forum?  Question: Hello,  My goal is to explore temporarily Bionic Beaver without installing it to my HD.  I am attempting to help a friend with her Xubuntu 18.04 OS. I run Puppy-linux 6.05 64bit Frugal install from partition sda1. My friend lives in another town, so, I thought I'd download Bionic Beaver and try out the desktop version so that I
[01:48] <xubuntu38w> Oppps! looks like amount of text is limited.
[01:49] <xubuntu38w> My friend lives in another town, so, I thought I'd download Bionic Beaver and try out the desktop version so that I can view the screens she is referencing. My machine is: HP HDX Premium Series 64 bit   4GB RAM plus swap  Processor is:  Intell Core 2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz 2534.00MHz  Intell Core 2 Duo CPU T9400 @ 2.53GHz 800.00MHz  The machine has no CD/DVD drive.  I downloaded 18.04 64bit iso from official Xubuntu site. Hash M
[01:49] <xubuntu38w> The file is on my second partion sda2. The file shows as a raw cd image. Clicking on the cd image mounts the file. But nothing else activates.  How do I activate the raw cd image so that I can temporarily explore Bionic Beaver? (remember, I have no CD/DVD drive).  Thank you in advance for any suggestions or observations.
[01:53] <krytarik> xubuntu38w: If your existing Linux installation uses Grub2 to boot, then you could have it boot the ISO from hard disk.  Otherwise, an USB stick is an option, of course.
[01:55] <xubuntu38w> OK, thanks krytarik, yes, I use Grub2.   I'll put it on a flash drive and boot from that medium.  You answered my question.  G'night.
[02:29] <xubuntu15w> Xubuntu 3.19.0-80 upgrade form <IP_ADDRESS> and mouse will not work, how to get in there to fix?
[03:03] <Kumool> Will installing daemontools mess with systemd?
[03:16] <Kumool> nvm, not installing it
[18:13] <nevada1> Xubuntu feels so nice and lightweight. I just booted it up in VirtualBox.
[18:13] <nevada1> Props to the team working on it.
[20:09] <Unlimiter> Is it safe if I changed the line `root❌0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash` in "/etc/passwd" to a one that contains my home directory instead of root's one? (I asked here because I can't access ##linux)
[20:20] <Kumool> Unlimiter: its not safe
[20:20] <Unlimiter> Can you explain why?
[20:21] <Unlimiter> does the root home dir gets overwrited?
[20:21] <Kumool> There are things you should do in root that you should not do as a user
[20:22] <Kumool> and yes, there are programs that write to the root home dir
[20:24] <Unlimiter> Kumool: but, do they overwrite all of it?
[20:25] <Kumool> what?
[20:25] <Unlimiter> Kumool: Nevermind. And, will they write to my home dir if I set root as its user
[20:26] <Kumool> there will be files in your home directory that will be created as root, which wont permit you from accessing them
[20:26] <Kumool> you can sudo chmod
[20:26] <Kumool> after
[20:26] <Unlimiter> Kumool: what I want to do, is be root forever
[20:26] <Kumool> that is a terrible idea
[20:26] <Unlimiter> I know, safety
[20:28] <Kumool> its not a bad idea, but so far seems farfetched for linux
[20:28] <Unlimiter> yeah :P
[20:29] <Kumool> you could include yourself in the root group
[20:30] <Kumool> I think that might work
[20:30] <Unlimiter> I did, but when I, for example, create a file as root, I can't remove it as myself
[20:30] <Kumool> of course not
[20:32] <Unlimiter> so, being in the root group doesn't mean you have root privileges
[20:32] <Unlimiter> entirely
[20:32] <Kumool> what file are you trying to erase?
[20:32] <Unlimiter> Kumool: just a regular file in my home dir
[20:33] <Unlimiter> Not a problem
[20:33] <Unlimiter> I know what I need to do
[20:33] <Kumool> you need to give yourself write permissions for the group
[20:33] <Kumool> I think
[20:33] <Unlimiter> write permissions?
[20:33] <Unlimiter> aren't those just for files
[20:33] <Unlimiter> ?
[20:34] <Kumool> chmod 0770
[20:34] <Kumool> Unlimiter: everything is a file in unix
[20:34] <Unlimiter> Kumool: even groups?
[20:34] <Kumool> mostly everything
[20:34] <Kumool> try doing ls -l on that file
[20:35] <Unlimiter> `-rw-r--r--`
[20:35] <Unlimiter> `-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Feb 27 21:34 test`
[20:36] <Kumool> so, the first rwx is the owner, which is root (the first one), the second is the group, which is also root, and the third is other, so everyone else
[20:36] <Unlimiter> yup
[20:36] <Kumool> if you are part of the root group, and if the file is ----rwx--- then you can erase it
[20:37] <Unlimiter> okay
[20:38] <Unlimiter> I know I gotta use `sudo` but, it's really exhausting
[20:38] <Unlimiter> everytime...
[20:38] <Kumool> you can just change to root using su
[20:38] <Unlimiter> Kumool: I know, but I gotta be careful
[20:39] <Kumool> ...
[20:39] <Unlimiter> and the home dir will be root's
[20:39] <Unlimiter> if I used su
[20:40] <Kumool> no, using su is different than sudo
[20:40] <Kumool> I mean, yes, you are right
[20:40] <Kumool> but you don't have to be careful
[20:41] <Kumool> you still do, but at least you won't have to keep running sudo for everything
[20:42] <Unlimiter> it's really useful, but the only notch here, is that the home dir (`~`) will be `/root` not mine
[20:42] <Unlimiter> so if I did `cd`, it will go to `/root`
[20:47]  * Unlimiter exits from the 2nd toilet of the 1st floor


[00:40]  * diddledan gets out his twanger
[00:40]  * zmoylan-pi tunes my banjo
[00:41] <velusunivers-sys> its for a virtual world diddledan but its not going well lol
[00:41] <diddledan> ohdear
[00:42] <diddledan> lurve the smell of new magazine print
[00:43] <diddledan> ooh, popey is in this issue!
[00:45] <velusunivers-sys> whats the mag?
[00:46] <zmoylan-pi> linux voice
[00:46] <diddledan> bingo
[00:46] <velusunivers-sys> nice might get it
[00:46] <diddledan> came s'morning
[00:46] <velusunivers-sys> nice, and i met him at ogg camp last year,
[00:47] <velusunivers-sys> i nearly put my foot in my mouth once with him good job i didnt
[00:47] <diddledan> they need to make recordings of oggcamp in ogg format
[00:47] <velusunivers-sys> yay lol they should lol
[00:47] <velusunivers-sys> you ever seen big buck bunny
[00:47] <diddledan> indeed
[00:48] <diddledan> and elephants dream. and sintel.
[00:48] <diddledan> and whatever the live-action was called
[00:48] <velusunivers-sys> popey was showing it on a laptop at ogg camp and i thought they modeled bbb on popey lol it looks a lot like him
[00:55] <velusunivers-sys> diddledan, you good with js?
[00:57] <daftykins> o0
[00:58] <daftykins> i've only ever seen that in video tests
[01:15] <velusunivers-sys> ok lol
[01:16] <velusunivers-sys> there are a few map systems for opensim but they are bad
[01:17] <diddledan> I'm ok with JS
[01:17] <velusunivers-sys> opps wrong chat lol
[01:17] <diddledan> not an ex spurt tho I would state
[01:18] <velusunivers-sys> im having trouble with a map system and leaflet.js i have got a few guys stumped with this
[01:18] <daftykins> i'd be surprised if there weren't a JS channel
[01:18] <daftykins> !alis
[01:19] <velusunivers-sys> there is but you either get i will do it for $5000 p/hr or figgure it out your self
[01:20] <daftykins> maybe if you're only there 10 minutes
[01:20] <velusunivers-sys> i have been in the leaflet channel for 3 days now and got only the same response
[01:20] <daftykins> ah good community then :>
[01:21] <velusunivers-sys> yeah the best lol
[01:21] <velusunivers-sys> but i have seen them help others, but then again the system that it is getting info from is complex so that might be why
[01:22] <daftykins> could be the way you ask, too - that can make or break a help request
[01:22] <velusunivers-sys> true
[01:23] <velusunivers-sys> what you like with reading c#
[01:23]  * daftykins looks at the channel
[01:24] <daftykins> again, i would try more relevant places
[01:24] <diddledan> she sell c-sharp sea shells by the sea shore
[05:27] <mappps> hi
[06:54] <LibreSponge> Morning, we had a boat crash today: http://manx.net/tv/mt-tv/isle-of-man-news-archive/March/2016 "Quite a lick !"
[07:03] <LibreSponge> Gagh moghrey Jerdein - happens Every Thursday morning .
[07:34] <LibreSponge> popey, Howdy - expecting some rainbows today :) perhaps white-doves around too !
[07:37] <SuperMatt> foobarry: yup
[08:03] <knightwise> hey LibreSponge !
[08:03] <knightwise> hey SuperMatt
[08:03] <popey> morning
[08:06] <knightwise> hey popey :) Do you have any idea when we can throw our money at the ubuntu tablet ?
[08:06] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/ubuntu-tablet-m10-goes-sale-monday
[08:06] <popey> apparently
[08:07] <knightwise> aha
[08:07] <LibreSponge> knightwise: Hiya, Just discussing whether nuns can be vikings with BreakfastR ;) http://ow.ly/ZSKKU
[08:12] <knightwise> ooohKey
[08:17] <SuperMatt> morning knightwise
[08:19] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:22] <LibreSponge> I shall never get spider oak to work on Crouton. Even for $125 a year as they advertise.
[09:07] <knightwise> hey brobostigon ,
[09:07] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[09:07] <knightwise> LibreSponge: So have you pimped the storage space for your Chromebook ?
[09:08] <LibreSponge> knightwise: Not really. I tried Gallium. Worked ok. Not sure if I wanna go digging around ;)
[09:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:09] <knightwise> Gallium ?
[09:09] <knightwise> I'm looking around for a second hand thinkpad to play around with with linux.
[09:10] <LibreSponge> Gallium OS : https://www.reddit.com/r/galliumos/
[09:11] <LibreSponge> knightwise: I have one that gets stuck on thinkpad sticky keys. I have to over-ride it every boot. V. disturbing.
[09:11] <knightwise> Looks pretty interesting
[09:12]  * knightwise has a chromebook somewhere :)
[09:12] <LibreSponge> I've got a touch screen from  the UK amazon website last few years :)
[09:12] <LibreSponge> I think they up dated the C720P for 2016 too.
[09:13] <LibreSponge> love the white color - goes with my microsotf mouse.
[09:14] <popey> I should sell this here branch new boxed chromebook
[09:14] <popey> or give it to my mum
[09:14]  * LibreSponge needs a new mouse that doesn't suck when you move the wheel on it.
[09:15] <LibreSponge> Oh Moby's talking to me .. https://play.spotify.com/track/4WOvx1gdPtmW1c4rXeo0iO off his playlist.
[09:18] <knightwise> me is listening to Carbon Based Lifeforms
[09:18] <knightwise> (The band, not the biological classification)
[09:20] <LibreSponge> knightwise: That sounds very Snowdy of you :)
[09:22] <LibreSponge> I prefer the 'Women of Indie' genre.
[09:28] <LibreSponge> knightwise: Yeah Gallium is not bad, but I don't like the name.
[09:28] <LibreSponge> I did a hangout with the developer, and he's quite the narcissist.
[09:30] <knightwise> hahah :)
[09:31] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:31] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[09:31] <LibreSponge> MooDoo:  Hiya, how-dy-doo-de
[09:31] <MooDoo> :)
[09:34] <LibreSponge> Carbon Based Lifeforms reminds of sommit like this : http://hackaday.com/2016/03/23/growing-algae-for-fun-and-profit/#comment-2964112
[09:35] <knightwise> LibreSponge: you amaze and scare me at the same time :p
[09:40] <knightwise> Hmm. podget looks like a pretty straight forward podcast client
[10:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Chocolate Covered Raisins Day! 😃
[10:07] <sgbirch> Where is the upcoming final beta being discussed?
[10:08] <sgbirch> I don’t know my way around the Ubuntu channels
[10:10] <popey> #ubuntu+1
[10:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4V89Na3gbA
[10:22] <MooDoo> thank you popey seeing as they never said it lol
[10:28] <popey> heh
[12:17] <foobarry> billie piper separated from laurence fox :S
[12:19] <brobostigon> she was good in dr who, :)
[12:26] <knightwise> A very good companion indeed
[12:29] <popey> foobarry: back on your list, huh?
[12:31] <foobarry> nah, never was :)
[12:31] <foobarry> i wonder about the lives of actors that so many of them separate
[12:31] <foobarry> claire > pond > billie
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> public eye, separate careers...
[12:32] <foobarry> clara*
[12:33] <popey> I used to quite like her.
[12:33] <popey> I dunno if "so many" of them do
[12:33] <popey> I'm sure there's plenty of them that don't.
[12:33] <popey> I guess different professions have different stats for stay/split
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> what % of marriages fail? is acting above the mean?
[12:34] <popey> are doctors/lawyers/bin-men/soldiers more or less likely to split than actors?
[12:34] <popey> indeed
[12:34] <foobarry> http://lexfridman.com/blogs/thoughts/2012/04/14/divorce-rates-by-profession/
[12:35] <foobarry> jobs where you touch and/or kiss other ppl likely to end in divorce?
[12:35] <knightwise> Shatner is still married after all these years to his first wife
[12:35] <knightwise> foobarry: untrue. Busy careers tend to ruin marriages
[12:36] <knightwise> + they get a lot of attention from other people so its easy to slip up
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> so 22% for actors, compared to 100% for astronauts who walked on the moon...
[12:36] <foobarry> many actors spend large amounts of time out of work
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of actors do a lot of other jobs between acting...
[12:38] <foobarry> voiceovers on my kids audio book CDs
[12:38] <foobarry> and pimping themselves at glam events
[12:39] <foobarry> and hanging out with an insecure crowd of luvvies
[12:40] <foobarry> my mate used to do promotions, he said most of his coworkers described themselves as actors. although they never got any jobs
[12:40] <foobarry> how can a grown man eat in such a vulgar manner with his mouth open? i don't understand. i have to leave the office, its too gross
[12:40] <foobarry> he is 30ft away and i can hear everything
[12:43] <zmoylan-pi> that's a recognised medical condition when you can't bear to hear someone eat iirc
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> misophonia
[12:44] <popey> Speaking of voiceovers, if you want to do something worthwhile and near-zero effort - https://www.vocalid.co/
[12:44] <popey> record your voice so someone with a medical condition who can't speak, can get a voice
[12:45] <popey> I have been recording my voice for the MyCroft.ai thing
[12:46] <popey> but my voice might be used by other people too.
[12:46] <popey> It's quite clever
[12:46] <popey> you just have to spend a few hours reading short passages of text.
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> it'll all bite you in the backside when one day hal won't open the pod bay doors and tells you using your own voice... :-)
[12:49] <popey> :)
[12:50] <popey> There's a nice video they show of a young girl getting a personalised voice based on a blend of hers and another "doner"
[13:05] <foobarry> popey: whats the commitment>?
[13:08] <popey> time
[13:08] <popey> a few hours
[13:08] <popey> spread over as long as you like
[13:08] <foobarry> done in parts or in one go?
[13:08] <foobarry> cool
[13:08] <popey> yeah, they say don't do in one go
[13:08] <velusunivers-sys> i have just signed up my self
[13:08] <foobarry> zmoylan-pi: not all humans find the noise of disgusting eaters intolerable?
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> nope... and it's often not all people but just a small % annoying a small %
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> there's probably other people there eating _not_ annoying you
[13:21] <foobarry> yeah this guy is disgusting
[13:26] <foobarry> everyone gawps in disbelief
[13:27] <velusunivers-sys> i know one person who is a disgusting eater, the last time i went for a meal with them i was so embarassed i felt like just melting under the table
[13:30] <knightwise> ouch
[13:32] <velusunivers-sys> yeah i know at it was infront of a girl i was trying to get a date with
[13:32] <foobarry> heh
[13:33] <velusunivers-sys> i was trying to get a date with a lass i know that worked at pizza hut, and me and a friend had a meal there and he was so disgusting eater,
[13:34] <foobarry> popey: do u know if they need british voices?
[13:34] <velusunivers-sys> i would assume they need all accents
[13:38] <popey> foobarry: i expect so, i recorded some this week and have already been "matched" with 3 UK people and a US guy
[14:15] <foobarry> cool
[14:19] <TwistedLucidity> "OK Al, you'll be unable to speak for a few months but we have this new vocalid thing. The best match for you appears to be 'Opinionated and permanently angry Irish-Scots git'..."
[14:20] <diddledan> I'm sorry Dave
[14:24] <TwistedLucidity> The vocalid thing looks cool, hope people don't troll it and turn it into this: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/24/microsofts-teen-girl-ai-turns-into-a-hitler-loving-sex-robot-wit/
[14:27] <TwistedLucidity> Bile rising...."vocal DNA"? Please, just say "information".
[14:28] <TwistedLucidity> "blah-de-blah DNA" and the phrase "...reached out to..."  :-D
[15:09] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Your grinning visage landed on my doorstep yesterday avo.
[15:10] <popey>  😃
[15:10] <popey> sorry
[15:10] <diddledan> ditto
[15:11] <diddledan> I'm scared what might be inside when they say "inside the mind" of popey
[15:11] <popey> lots of echo
[15:11] <diddledan> lol
[15:11] <popey> It's a bit rambly, sorry
[15:11] <popey> he just put his phone down and pressed record and started asking questions
[15:12] <TwistedLucidity> Mine is still sealed inside the plastic containment unit. I hold that holds.
[15:12] <popey> all mine are :)
[15:12] <popey> I haven't opened a single one
[15:12] <popey> retirement fund ㋛
[15:12] <TwistedLucidity> What? As insulation?
[15:13] <TwistedLucidity> Knowing my luck, #1 will turn out to be worth €€€€€s or something
[15:13] <popey> wifey looked at the pdf and said "OMG! That's our dining room!"
[15:13] <popey> and then "OMG! The mess!"
[15:14] <popey> and "Hah! Minecraft mug in the background"
[15:14] <popey> etc
[15:14] <popey> Not actually you know, _reading_ it :)
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> popey: If 16.04 isn't amazing, I know what I'm throwing darts at. :-D
[15:25] <popey> hah
[15:26] <TwistedLucidity> Although this here desktop is still 14.10 with far too many PPAs. Upgrading will be a pain. Shall probably just nuke & pave to be honest
[15:26] <velusunivers-sys> popey it should of been an oggcamp mug in the bg
[15:28] <popey> true
[15:28] <popey> I did plan to give Graham an oggcamp mug for his coffee
[15:28] <velusunivers-sys> nice
[15:36] <diddledan> lmao @ screeching phone at daughter's recital
[15:36] <popey> :)
[15:36] <popey> true story
[15:36] <diddledan> what did you do, fiddle with it to silence it or run out red-faced?
[15:37] <Dave> is this a plan to get everyone to subscribe?
[15:37] <LibreSponge> popey, have you got channel operator status back yet ? Anyone cud be running this train.
[15:38] <diddledan> I didn't know it was lost
[15:38] <LibreSponge> oh Ok.
[15:38] <LibreSponge> it was on #ubuntu-community
[15:38] <popey> wat
[15:39] <diddledan> ?
[15:39] <popey> you lot left, we were fine here
[15:39]  * LibreSponge should've made more news with the title, while he had the chance ;)
[15:39] <popey> silly splits
[15:45] <LibreSponge> The *netsplit of mar'16 . 'Looking back now ...' |  https://goo.gl/R9n10J
[16:20] <diddledan> the netsplit of mar'16.. sounds like the great storm of 86
[16:21] <diddledan> or was that the big wind?
[16:22] <zmoylan-pi> the big wind was when heinz released curry beans in a tin
[16:27] <diddledan> gmail handles 1.4PB of data per day?!
[16:27] <diddledan> wow
[16:30] <foobarry> something something spam
[16:30] <diddledan> lol
[16:30] <diddledan> good point
[16:31] <diddledan> I wonder what that is with dedupe
[16:31] <foobarry> the rest of it is people who think my email address is their's
[16:31] <foobarry> theirs*
[16:32] <popey> i get that a lot too
[16:33] <foobarry> interviews, appliance purchases, $100 vouchers for birthday, naked stuff
[16:33] <diddledan> naked?!
[16:33] <foobarry> yeah
[16:33] <diddledan> why do I not get these emails?
[16:33] <foobarry> plus selfies with girls in bar
[16:33] <zmoylan-pi> you really really don't want random nudes from internet
[16:33] <davmor2> diddledan: spam filters
[16:33] <foobarry> these aren't spam
[16:34] <foobarry> they are directed mails from people who missed numbers off the end
[16:34] <foobarry><EMAIL_ADDRESS>instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:34] <diddledan> you should start blackmailing
[16:34] <foobarry> plus really random bits
[16:34] <foobarry> i got job interview letters saying turn up at this time,
[16:34] <foobarry> flight tickets
[16:35] <foobarry> i sent the $100 vouchers back to the shop
[16:35] <foobarry> all other stuff i delete now because i gave up trying to be helpful when people argue with you or from noreply anyway
[16:36] <foobarry> a bit like when the old man calls you 100x on the home phone and you say the first 99 times , obviously someone wrot ethe unmber wrong
[16:36] <foobarry> 100x you get annoyed or leave the phone off hook
[16:51] <diplo> foobarry: I have those to my gmail as well, some guy up north is using my email address ( same name ) I get his invoices and everything, I know most of his details now to fake an identity, yet none of the companies I've replied to care :/
[16:52] <diplo> One came back at me saying "It is you, this is the email YOU gave us!"
[16:52] <diddledan> err
[16:52] <diddledan> that's a good argument
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> fair enough, can you remind me of my credit card number, i've forgotten it...
[16:53] <diplo> heheh, from the guys emailing techniquies he appeared to me to be of the older variety :)
[18:22] <LibreSponge> !bug 1547212 How do I call up a bug on here, again ?
[18:22] <LibreSponge> Oh ok.
[18:46] <ali1234> comedy gold http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/559abcac-e76b-445a-a6a0-9c7e52671b02?postId=123985495&initial_page_size=20#comment_123985495
[19:38] <webpigeon> 77
[20:04] <diddledan> 42
[20:05] <webpigeon> dog based keyboard errors
[20:07] <zmoylan-pi> 99... hmmmm flake
[20:08] <diddledan> don't you hate that 99s aren't 99p anymore?
[20:08] <diddledan> I'll have a 99 for 1.69
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> i preferred it when they were cheaper than 99p
[20:39] <foobarry> oh look another DS9 episode about 1 guy who fancies a girl
[20:39] <diddledan> ?
[20:40] <foobarry> my missis watches star trek every night and the plot is only ever about 1 ting
[20:40] <foobarry> angst written by 14yr old geeks
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> which Star Trek is this?
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> because I've been re-watching TNG and it's surprisingly good
[20:41] <mappps> hello
[20:41] <foobarry> DS9
[20:41] <foobarry> hello MartijnVdS
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> DS9 is soap opera for the first few seasons
[20:41] <foobarry> DS9 the soap opera
[20:41] <foobarry> for sure
[20:42] <foobarry> cringe
[20:42] <mappps> night manager isnt bad
[20:42] <foobarry> just iplayering it now
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you mean she's keeping up with the Cardassians then :P
[20:42] <foobarry> my bro is down the police station, someone nicked his bike. but he has a tracker on it
[20:42] <foobarry> wonder if that will mean anything to the police
[20:43] <foobarry> or they will shrug as usual
[20:46] <mappps> ilayering night manager? e1?
[20:49] <foobarry> WARNING: You may receive this message if you are using get_iplayer outside the UK
[20:49] <foobarry> hmm
[20:50] <foobarry> ep1 not working
[20:50] <mappps> hm
[20:50] <mappps> try via web browser?
[20:51] <mappps> arent you i the uk?7
[20:51] <mappps> *in
[20:51] <foobarry> very much
[20:51] <foobarry> might youtube-dl it
[20:51] <mappps> its on yt?
[20:51] <mappps> ah on bbc official channel?
[20:52] <mappps> chan4 used to do that then stopped
[20:52] <foobarry> oh, ep1 not available
[20:52] <foobarry> 2-5 are
[20:52] <foobarry> SUCKS
[20:52] <mappps> lol
[20:52] <foobarry> cr
[20:52] <foobarry> y
[20:53] <mappps> is that bbc official chan or just people ul?
[20:54] <Welshman> Hi everyone 'in' this XChat-GNOME channel. Also, I do have a Linux Mint question which I have asked in the #linuxmint-help XChat-GNOME channel but on one answered.
[20:54] <Welshman> So, I will provide background info first.
[20:55] <diddledan> my spambox has been filled with mostly virus-laden attachment emails of late
[20:55] <mappps> really? what email you use
[20:56] <Welshman> Recently I used Windows program Img Burn to create an installation iso but was not successful because of a 'lack' of space on the hard drive.
[20:56] <diddledan> mappps: gmail for business, using a custom domain
[20:56] <Welshman> I am now receiving the following message: "There is not enough disk space to save the file. Please free some disk space and try again.".
[20:57] <Welshman> Also, I have just found that the Drives icon has disappeared from the Menu panel and the Administration/Control Panel.
[20:57] <mappps> what are you tring to do Welshman
[20:57] <Welshman> So, my question is: Can the hard disk space be increased using the Terminal? Thanks. :)
[20:57] <diddledan> err
[20:58] <diddledan> you can download larger disks using wget I guess?
[20:58] <diddledan> p.s. I'm trolling
[20:58] <mappps> hes talking bout terminal but says he wasnt successful to create the installation?
[21:00] <diddledan> I've had success with using a rolling-pin to flatten a disk and make it cover a larger area, too
[21:01] <mappps> so es trolling ;/
[21:01] <mappps> hes
[21:02] <Welshman> mapps: Thanks for reply. Also, even though I am still a 'newbie' using Linux Mint the Terminal is the only 'thing' that I can think of using to 'fix' the hard drive problem, until I 'fix' other Linux Mint problems! :)
[21:03] <foobarry> mappps: iplayer official
[21:03] <foobarry> all except episode1
[21:03] <foobarry> youtube only has fake links
[21:03] <Welshman> mapps: So: Any links, suggestions or thoughts?
[21:03] <foobarry> hate that youtube spam is so prevalent
[21:04] <mappps> i dont get what youre on about if youre using linux mint what are you on about creating the installation
[21:07] <diddledan> I remember back in 1997/8 a friend had a really thin Siemens mobile phone and when I first saw it I said something like "omg, it looks like it's been run-over by a rollover" - I guess I'd been playing with DHTML
[21:09] <mappps> booking time off today
[21:10] <mappps> 5 days in april:D
[21:10] <mappps> hopefully go to Budapest..£57 return!
[21:12] <Welshman> mapps: Thanks for your reply. Also, I will explain briefly. Was using the Windows Img Burn to create a Vista installation iso. Even though it was not successful for some reason I am now receiving a "There is not enough disk space to save the file. Please free some disk space and try again." afterwards after 'doing' other things. Also, I have just found that the Drives icon has disappeared from the Menu panel and the Administration/Control Panel
[21:12] <Welshman> which is useful if 'you' want to increase disk space. That is why I thought of the Terminal and that is why I asked the question about or on the Terminal. So, an answer etc would help me! Thanks. :)
[21:13] <Welshman> mapps: Installed Img Burn on Linux Mint!
[21:13] <mappps> im confused, diddledan ? understand?!
[21:13] <diddledan> no idea
[21:15] <Welshman> diddledan + mapps: I feel or think that there must be a command that can be used from the Terminal to increase hard disk space! :)
[21:18] <mappps> on the machine youre on?!
[21:18] <Welshman> diddledan + mapps: Away from laptop for 30 minutes or more. So, I do look forward to receiving an answer or reply to my question and I would really appreciate it! Back as soon as possible.Thanks. :)
[21:19] <Welshman> mapps: Yes. Back after 30 minutes or more. :)
[21:28] <mappps> i think everyons a bit confused Welshman
[21:29] <davmor2> Welshman: look at disks that is generally the way to deal with disks and partitions. for local and usb drives
[21:29] <davmor2> mappps, diddledan: ^ I think that is the only advice I can give
[21:44] <foobarry> new irssi released
[21:45] <Myrtti> second in a month
[21:47] <foobarry> realised i am on 0.8.17
[21:47] <foobarry> it can wait till tuesday.
[21:47]  * foobarry thinks Myrtti has irssi on highlight
[21:47] <Myrtti> nope, I just have an inbox zero obsession
[21:48] <Myrtti> so if an irssi window has activity, I need to read it
[21:48] <davmor2> Myrtti: hahahaha
[21:48] <foobarry> yeah i hate that. have to quit channels for that reason
[21:48] <Myrtti> davmor2: true story, don't mock it
[21:48] <Myrtti> :-|
[21:49] <foobarry> sometimes i just alt+num to the channel to make the notifier go away
[21:49] <davmor2> Myrtti: not mocking I have the same trait for email ofcourse that will all go to pot as I'm on holiday next week :)
[21:49] <foobarry> read a thread on reddit about hipsters getting excited by oh my zsh
[21:49] <foobarry> but most of the stuff is possible in bash
[21:50] <foobarry> it just seems like the atheist vegan shell for arch users
[21:51] <Myrtti> I've used zsh for years but don't need oh my zsh for that
[21:51] <Welshman> Hi. Have returned briefly.
[21:51] <davmor2> byobu and bash are all you need
[21:54] <Welshman> davmor2: Hi. Also, as I said to mapps: "Also, I have just found that the Drives icon has disappeared from the Menu panel and the Administration/Control Panel.". So, I cannot "look at disks" at the present time! Thinking I might have to re-install Linux Mint!! :)
[21:55] <davmor2> Welshman: disks is an app
[21:55] <diddledan> ..lication
[21:55] <davmor2> diddledan: :P
[21:56] <Welshman> davmor2: But, I feel or think that there must be a command that can be used from the Terminal to increase hard disk space! :)
[21:56] <diddledan> wget http://theentireinternet/
[21:57] <diddledan> rm -rf / <-- don't!
[21:57] <diddledan> it'll achieve your stated goal of increasing hard disk space at the cost of destroying your OS
[21:57] <Welshman> davmor2: If 'disks' is an app then how or where do I download to install?
[21:57] <davmor2> Welshman: parted/fdisk/gfdisk the list goes on the easiest way though it with a nice gui that way you don't kill your system
[21:58] <davmor2> Welshman: it should be on you system already is at least on ubuntu and fedora and most of their derivatives
[21:59] <Welshman> davmor2: As I have already stated to you and mapps: "I have just found that the Drives icon has disappeared from the Menu panel and the Administration/Control Panel."!
[22:01] <davmor2> Welshman: click on the menu thing in mint in the search box what happens if you type in disks
[22:04] <Welshman> davmor2: The 'Drives' icon has returned - typed 'Disks' in the search box on the Menu panel. So, now the next question is: How do I use the 'Disks' option to increase the hard disk space? :)
[22:04] <davmor2> Welshman: look it up on a youtube video it will make it easier than trying to explain in text
[22:05] <davmor2> Welshman: some thing like Useing Gnome Disks to increase a partition
[22:05] <davmor2> -e
[22:10] <Welshman> davmor2: Fair enough and thank you. But, another question: Is there a step by step instruction online about increasing a hard disk space through 'Disks'? Also, I do have another separate question. Thanks. :)
[22:15] <Welshman> davmor2
[22:16] <Welshman> davmor2: Hi + sorry to disturb you. Did or have you received my posted message sent to you? Thanks. :)
[22:16] <davmor2> Welshman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_jNL0mmaLQ
[22:17] <davmor2> turns out gparted is easier
[22:19] <Welshman> davmor2: Does that vid provide step by step instructions? Would have preferred a text step by step instructions with screen shots! :)
[22:19] <Welshman> *link for
[22:19] <davmor2> Welshman: yes and in mint too
[22:21] <Welshman> davmor2: Thanks. Also, Do have one more question
[22:21] <Welshman> arghh!
[22:22] <diddledan> ooh, point break
[22:22]  * diddledan watches
[22:22] <davmor2> Welshman: yes
[22:24] <Welshman> davmor2: Thanks. Also, do have one more question to ask you that is not related (USB flash/pen/stick drive). But, away from laptop for several minutes before I ask it! Thanks. :)
[22:41] <Welshman> davmor2
[22:42] <Welshman> davmor2: Hi. Have returned.
[22:44] <Welshman> davmor2: Also, have another question to ask you that is not related to my previous 1! My question is: Is there a program available for Linux Mint or Windows (XP and 10) that can be used to completely wipe a 8GB USB flash/pen/stick drive?
[22:44] <Welshman> davmor2: Reason why I ask is because recently I noticed the properties of a 8GB USB flash/pen/stick drive that I am using displayed 40.8MB filled space.
[22:45] <Welshman> davmor2: I want to use the whole of the USB flash/pen/stick drive because I have a Vista folder to transfer over to another computer to create an installation iso.
[22:45] <Welshman> davmor2: So, that is why I have asked the question. Thanks in advance if anyone answer or replies with a suggestion or link. :)
[22:46] <davmor2> that might be drive information partition table information etc etc
[22:52] <Welshman> davmor2: Thanks for reply. Also, I do remember 'coming across' or 'finding' a program for Windows a couple of years ago (cannot remember if it was free) that did completely wipe an USB flash/pen/stick drive. But cannot remember the name of the Windows program and it would be useful if I could use a similar 1 in Linux Mint! So: Link and suggestion, please? :)
[22:53] <Welshman> *for
[22:54] <davmor2> gparted or disks for disks you select the drive and then click on the menu and select format disk just make sure it is the right one.
[22:56] <Welshman> davmor2: Yes, okay. But does format really completely wipe an USB flash/pen/stick drive or is a partition created/left on the USB? :)
[23:00] <davmor2> Welshman: I've no idea what you are on about now,  It is a format tool it formats it, you can do it quick in or slow quick wipes the partition slow fills it with zeros
[23:01] <davmor2> anyway I'm off on holiday now night all see you in a weeks time or so
[23:05] <Welshman> davmor2_HOLS: Thanks. I am also leaving this channel or room. So, I hope you have a nice time and have fun on your holidays. I bid you a goodnight (it's 11.05pm here!), good morning, good afternoon and good evening! All the best for 2016! :)
[23:29] <diddledan> point break has got to the obligatory sexytime
[23:29] <diddledan> well that was quick
[23:29] <daftykins> tsk tsk