[18:13] <OerHeks> ayush1706, most people here use livepatch http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-enable-the-canonical-live-patch-service-in-ubuntu-16-04/
[18:13] <ayush1706> nacc its basically
[18:13] <ayush1706> nacc: Its basically a cloudlinux package which installs patches without requiring reboot
[18:14] <OerHeks> ayush1706, kernelcare is not free for 3 machines.
[18:14] <OerHeks> livepatch is...
[18:14] <nacc> ayush1706: that would be what OerHeks is referring to, in the ubuntu world, livepatch
[18:14] <ayush1706> OerHeks, yeah I know. we have its license already. Its running on centos. Needed some help in setting it up on Ubuntu
[18:15] <ayush1706> nacc, Yeah similar thing
[18:16] <OerHeks> ayush1706, i think you find no answer here, for paid stuff while there is a beter solution, kernelcare has a history of failures.
[18:17] <ayush1706> OerHeks, Umm okay. Thanks :)
[18:18] <OerHeks> ayush1706, you could re-ask the guys in #ubuntu-server, not sure about them.
[18:18] <ayush1706> OerHeks, Ohh cool. Makes sense. I'll try that
[18:23] <_laceylaney> Problems mounting android phone after re-installing xubuntu on laptop. Full details and info here >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2357162&p=13627204#post13627204 << Can anyone help ??
[18:24] <emachines> ola
[18:25] <_laceylaney> HIHI ^^
[18:32] <emachines> hola
[18:33] <_laceylaney> HIHI ^^
[18:33] <emachines_> HOLIS
[18:33] <emachines> pene
[18:33] <nicomachus> !ot | all please:
[18:33] <emachines_> JAJJJAJAJJAJAJJA
[18:33] <emachines> lol
[18:33] <emachines> eggregegershr
[18:33] <emachines_> PENE
[18:33] <emachines_> PENEGRO
[18:34] <nicomachus> emachines_: stop.
[18:34] <LuC|FeR> hi all
[18:34] <_laceylaney> Guys... I have problems mounting my android phone after re-installing xubuntu on laptop. Full details and info here >> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2357162&p=13627204#post13627204 << Can anyone help ??
[18:35] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: have you installed adb?
[18:35] <_laceylaney> no I have not installed adb
[18:35] <_laceylaney> I did not install it last time and my phone worked without any bother.
[18:36] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: install `android-tools-adb` then run 'adb devices' and see if your phone is listed.
[18:36] <LuC|FeR> i have a problem is that i have this message when i try "apt-get update" : W: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu lucid-security Release' does not have a Release file.
[18:36] <_laceylaney> ok give me a sec to do all of that ;-)
[18:37] <OerHeks> lucid is EOL. dead.
[18:37] <yorch> hola
[18:37] <yorch> hi
[18:37] <yorch> jelou
[18:37] <OerHeks> Lucid Desktop support ended May 9 2013
[18:37] <nicomachus> hi yorch. English, please.
[18:37] <yorch> lol
[18:38] <OerHeks> LuC|FeR, i would do a fresh install of 16.04 lts.
[18:38] <yorch> JAJAJJAJAJAJJAJAJAJAJJA
[18:38] <ducasse> yorch: stop
[18:38] <yorch> HELP ME
[18:38] <yorch> ME VAN A MATAR
[18:38] <LuC|FeR> yes i did it
[18:38]  * nicomachus sighs
[18:38] <yorch> PLEASE
[18:39] <_laceylaney> nicomachus: No device is listed whenever I run that command.
[18:39] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: lucid is no longer supported, you need to upgrade
[18:39] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: do you have debugging enabled in your phone?
[18:39] <ducasse> !eolupgrade | LuC|FeR
[18:39] <_laceylaney> yes I do and I have tried turning it off also.
[18:39] <OerHeks> 10.04 > 12.04 ( few days left) > 14.04 > 16.04
[18:40] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks : 4.4.0-59-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 6 17:47:47 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:41] <_laceylaney> ok so I unplugged my phone and rebooted it. It now appears under adb devices :-)
[18:41] <_laceylaney> List of devices attached
[18:41] <_laceylaney> MWS0216516000747	device
[18:41] <nicomachus> _laceylaney: ok. is it set as an MTP device on the phone? I think mine defaults to charge only. Should be something in the notification menu about it.
[18:41] <OerHeks> LuC|FeR, so then you have lucid sources in your sources.list ??
[18:41] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:42] <OerHeks> and "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ "
[18:42] <_laceylaney> Yes mine sets to charge by default also but when I pull the notification bar down from the top I can select either photos or files. I usually just select files...
[18:42] <OerHeks> that is where punny ppa's go.
[18:42] <TRex> Hurrdrurrii
[18:43] <TRex> the fuck hwo do i chane nick?
[18:43] <TRex> says this ones taken...
[18:43] <ducasse> !ohmy | TRex
[18:43] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks i had a problem on update and i did some modifed on the source.liste
[18:43] <IdleOne> /nick TRex-anotherNick
[18:44] <TRex-Hurdurrii> Alright thanks :D
[18:44] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks i also rm on source.liste.d
[18:44] <arog> hey, can I ask shell script questions here
[18:44] <arog> never mind i got it in #bash
[18:45] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks but the probelm is when i change on the source.list i still get the same problem
[18:45] <OerHeks> LuC|FeR, that would not be the ubuntu way, just deleting might give issues when you have installed any package through a ppa listed there...
[18:45] <_laceylaney> In the link i posted earlier I provided a link to dmesg. I don't know what to make of the output but maybe there is some error occurring or something ??
[18:45] <OerHeks> so lets see your sources list, as ducasse asked?
[18:48] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks i get it back as before now
[18:48] <LuC|FeR>  xenial/
[18:49] <acresearch> people, what is the different between sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade?
[18:49] <ducasse> acresearch: update refreshes package lists, upgrade installs new packages
[18:49] <skinux> Where the hell is the default web root directory for Jetty???
[18:49] <OerHeks> updates gets fresh lists, upgrade gets the packages
[18:49] <acresearch> ducasse: ohhh ok thanks
[18:49] <acresearch> OerHeks: thanks
[18:50] <OerHeks> full-update gets kernels too
[18:50] <ducasse> acresearch: you probably want to use dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade
[18:50] <OerHeks> so always run full-update, to be sure...
[18:50] <nacc> OerHeks: full-upgrade?
[18:50] <acresearch> hmmm ok
[18:51] <OerHeks> full/dist .. there are more options i think.
[18:51] <acresearch> is there is a difference between dist-upgrade and full-upgrade?
[18:51] <nacc> OerHeks: right, i meant full-upgrade not full-update :)
[18:51] <nacc> acresearch: dist-upgrade is old syntax for apt-get, use full-upgrade with apt (and dist-upgrade is around as an alias)
[18:51] <acresearch> oh ok
[18:51] <OerHeks> apt has parameter full-upgrade,
[18:51] <OerHeks> apt-get has parameter dist-upgrade
[18:51] <OerHeks> apt full-upgrade performs the same function as apt-get dist-upgrade.
[18:52] <nacc> OerHeks: i think apt also supports dist-upgrade, just doesn't document it :)
[18:52] <acresearch> i see
[18:52] <nacc> OerHeks: just checked, it does :)
[18:52] <acresearch> so alwat better to run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:52] <nacc> acresearch: are you on 16.04?
[18:52] <acresearch> that is after i run update :-)
[18:52] <acresearch> nacc: yes
[18:52] <nacc> acresearch: sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:52] <nacc> acresearch: don't bother with anything else
[18:53] <acresearch> nacc: ok
[18:53] <nacc> OerHeks: funnily `man apt` has tons of references into the `man apt-get` pages :)
[18:53] <OerHeks> full-update gets kernels too, i use it standard
[18:53] <nacc> OerHeks: again, 'full-upgrade' :)
[18:53] <OerHeks> err yes, typo
[18:53] <nacc> just so it's not confusing for others
[18:53] <acresearch> :-)
[18:54] <OerHeks> yay, robots don't do typos .. do they?
[18:54] <LuC|FeR> OerHeks how can i do a full-update
[18:54] <nicomachus> ha
[18:55] <ioria> hal 9000
[18:55] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: that was a typo
[18:55] <LuC|FeR> ah ok
[18:55] <LuC|FeR> :)
[18:55] <ducasse> LuC|FeR: he meant full-upgrade
[18:55] <LuC|FeR> ah ok
[18:56] <xcyclist> I'm getting frequent errors from various situations, including apt, about my timezone settings not being correct.
[18:57] <xcyclist>  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/locale.py", line 581, in setlocale
[18:57] <xcyclist> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: 	LANGUAGE = "es:en", 	LC_ALL = (unset), 	LC_TIME = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_MONETARY = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_ADDRESS = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_TELEPHONE = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_NAME = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_MEASUREMENT = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_IDENTIFICATION = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_NUMERIC = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LC_PAPER = "en_US.UTF-8", 	LANG = "en_us.UTF-8"
[18:58] <wastrel> what's your locale
[18:58] <xcyclist> United States it appears.
[18:58] <wastrel> env | grep LANG
[18:59] <wastrel> actually echo $LANG
[18:59] <xcyclist> root@delllap:~# env | grep LANG LANG=en_us.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=es:en root@delllap:~#
[19:00] <nicomachus> xcyclist: oof. why are you root?
[19:00] <marty__> by chance is anyone familar with lubuntu or pups?
[19:00] <wastrel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Locale
[19:01] <xcyclist> $ env | grep LANG LANG=en_US.UTF-8 GDM_LANG=en_US LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[19:01] <nicomachus> marty__: this is ubuntu support, so yes lots of people here are familiar with lubuntu. what's your issue? details please.
[19:03] <marty__> im currently running ubuntu 16.04 on my main computer, im looking to get another computer going and it has limited ram, im looking for the best version of a ubuntu series for the best plug and play network options
[19:03] <marty__> i hate dealing with drivers
[19:04] <nicomachus> marty__: all ubuntu derivatives should have the same drivers, as far as I know.
[19:04] <ioria> marty__, that depends on your networks device, i guess
[19:04] <marty__> ? ioria
[19:04] <nicomachus> so staying up to date (16.04 LTS) should be the safest bet. but I'm not sure that any derivative is going to give you different behavior. ioria is right, though, that network devices are usually the biggest problem.
[19:05] <nacc> xcyclist: 'es:en' seems like a wrong LANGUAGE setting?
[19:06] <Guma> Does any one know how to source .bashrc when creating .desktop file? I did try to modify Exec=bash -c -i  /opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin/qtcreator. But when I try to run it I get error in syslog stating "/opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin/qtcreator: /opt/Qt/Tools/QtCreator/bin/qtcreator: cannot execute binary file"
[19:07] <Guma> If I remove bash -i -c then it works but env variables are not picked up
[19:07] <Guma> from .bashrc
[19:07] <marty__> so what version is recomended for a celeron processor and about 700 mb ram?
[19:07] <xcyclist> I think I got that because my wife and I both speak Spanish and English.
[19:07] <xcyclist> But it would have been a setting from the GUI.
[19:07] <marty__> or a place i can find such information
[19:07] <ioria> marty__,  lubuntu is great for low ram, but it does not help you if your devices are not supported
[19:08] <nacc> xcyclist: interesting, i've not seen the colon-separated version, is that documented anywhere?
[19:09] <xcyclist> I am sorry I do not know.  I wish I had not done it.  I need to get work done and do not with to mess with locale at all.
[19:10] <marty__> im using a usb antenna and it works fine for 16.04, and the hard ware for networking between the two computers is the same, so if i were to go with like 14.04 tahr, it should work?
[19:10] <nacc> xcyclist: can you pastebin the command and full error you get?
[19:10] <nacc> !pastebin | xcyclist
[19:10] <xcyclist> Perhaps I should initialize it somehow and reboot.  I don't want to meowss with this right now
[19:11] <ioria> marty__, 16.04 kernel is newer that 3.13 trusty kern ... so, again, depends on your hw
[19:12] <xcyclist> Ok...
[19:12] <ioria> marty__, you can easily test it from Livecd
[19:12] <cmecca-> hey all quick question, for 14.04; if /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades 20auto-upgrades or 10periodic are missing, will /etc/cron.daily/apt (or any other automated apt process) assume those values as 1 by default, or 0..
[19:12] <nacc> marty__: but if you use the 14.04.5 hwe kernel, you get the same as on 16.04.0/1 (kernel and X at least) -- but i'm not sure why, if you have a working 16.04 you're considering 14.04?
[19:14] <ioria> xcyclist, have you tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:14] <xcyclist> Well, hello, now that I've messed with it the problem has gone away.
[19:14] <xcyclist> Well, hello, now that I've messed with it the problem has gone away.
[19:14] <xcyclist> Sorry guys
[19:14] <xcyclist> I'll bring it back here immediately if I see it again.  I hope not.
[19:16] <marty__> im making a secondary computer nacc
[19:16] <marty__> im just looking for the most compatabilty
[19:17] <marty__> i dont want to have to keep switching files from one to the next i just want the same networking on the new one that i have on the 16.04
[19:17] <ioria> marty__,  so, why trusty ? amd issue ?
[19:18] <marty__> thats what im asking ioria, is trusty a good idea or is another recomeded?
[19:18] <marty__> im not familar with the series
[19:19] <laceylaney> marty__: just give lubuntu a try. You might be surprised at what it can do.
[19:21] <ioria> marty__,  we should know the pc specs ... but if you're good with xenial, stay with xenial
[19:21] <minimec> marty__: I would go with lubuntu 16.04 lts. May consider zram or zswap as addition.
[19:24] <marty__> i cant support any version of lubuntu 16,
[19:24] <marty__> whats right under that?
[19:24] <xcyclist> I just posted this to python group too,but it may be appropriate here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283025/
[19:25] <ioria> marty__,  i lost you
[19:26] <marty__> im so confused about this all
[19:26] <minimec> marty__: I don't understand. Oh.. Do you need a 'pae' kernel? In this case, start with 14.04 and then upgrade to 16.04. That should be possible. But lubuntu 16.04 may even ship with a 'pae' kernel on the installation .iso.
[19:26] <marty__> what specs do you need ioria
[19:27] <ioria> marty__,  you can check your hw with lspci -k
[19:27] <xcyclist> Say, sorry to sound dumb, but is here a way to use- apt-cache search to just find those things that are installed, or not installed, exclusively?
[19:28] <ioria> xcyclist, nope
[19:28] <ioria> xcyclist,  you use apt-cache policy or dpkg -l
[19:28] <minimec> xcyclist: ' apt list | grep installed
[19:28] <marty__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283043/ ioria
[19:30] <xcyclist> Thank you.
[19:31] <yasma> hi
[19:31] <xcyclist> WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[19:31] <S0bait> Hi I have a USB device plugged in and I can see it in /dev/myDevice
[19:32] <ioria> marty__,  are you kidding ?
[19:32] <S0bait> however, when I run this.. it says "File does not exist"
[19:32] <ppf> any idea how to stream chrome to another linux box?
[19:32] <xcyclist> For some reason I have a bunch of python3 stuff installed, even though I am a python2.7 installation.
[19:32] <S0bait> [ -f /dev/myDevice ] && echo "File exist" || echo "File does not exist"
[19:32] <ppf> esp. while video playback is running?
[19:32] <marty__> i honestly dont know explain it to me
[19:32] <S0bait> is it because its  avirtual device?
[19:32] <marty__> im sorry
[19:33] <ducasse> minimec: xcyclist -  'apt list --installed' also works
[19:33] <yasma> what gpe-shield?
[19:34] <S0bait> Also, when I use this to run a command: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/65891/how-to-execute-a-shellscript-when-i-plug-in-a-usb-device will it stop when the USB device disconnects?
[19:34] <yasma> how can get that?
[19:34] <xcyclist> Yes, that appears to yiueld the same report.
[19:34] <nacc> xcyclist: python3 is fine and most stuff has been migrated to it, but python is still python2.7
[19:35] <yasma> what gpe-shield?
[19:35] <xcyclist> The default python install on this Ubuntu is apparently 2.7.
[19:35] <ducasse> yasma: sorry, what is your question?
[19:35] <xcyclist> so I took the default.
[19:35] <nacc> S0bait: dev nodes are not regular files
[19:35] <nacc> S0bait: maybe?
[19:35] <nacc> xyyes, that is always the case
[19:36] <nacc> xcyclist: yes, that is always the case
[19:36] <nacc> xcyclist: do you have an actual issue?
[19:36] <nacc> marty__: what are you finding confusing?
[19:36] <yasma> i serch in this page :https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/gpe-shield/
[19:36] <xcyclist> Well, originally I was installing python stuff with apt.  Then I tried sudo pip and I got stuff mucked up.
[19:36] <xcyclist> So now the python folks say never ever use sudo pip
[19:37] <nacc> xcyclist: right, you don't need sudo for pip
[19:37] <xcyclist> I wonder which it was, the pip, the apt, or the sudo pip but I cannot for instance get a good pip install now.
[19:37] <nacc> xcyclist: and it's wrong to use sudo for it, anyways, as that will ust install it for the root user
[19:37] <xcyclist> I don't know how to get to a clean initial state for pip
[19:37] <yasma> and  ertered my address mail for link for download
[19:37] <xcyclist> So I think I may need to pip clean my root area
[19:38] <xcyclist> or sudo pip clean or some such thing.
[19:38] <ducasse> yasma: that is obsolete stuff, look at the releases on the left side
[19:38] <xcyclist> I hope I don't need to reinstall ubuntu.
[19:38] <yasma> but i can not download
[19:38] <nacc> yasma: i don't think apps.ubuntu.com is anything anymore
[19:38] <nacc> yasma: and if you're on ubuntu, i dont' know why you'd use it anyways
[19:38] <yasma> i have ubuntu 16.04
[19:39] <xcyclist> My intention is to follow these lessons on scientific programming in python.
[19:39] <ducasse> yasma: no, it was last available for 13.10
[19:39] <nacc> xcyclist: there is no pip clean, you'll hve to use pip list and then pip uninstall them
[19:39] <xcyclist> So, my outstanding question is:  Can I clean my ubuntu for using pip.
[19:39] <yasma> ok
[19:39] <yasma> thanks
[19:39] <xcyclist> Ok. ...
[19:40] <nacc> xcyclist: i don't know what you did exactly, 'sudo pip' isn't a command and don't know what you broke
[19:40] <nacc> xcyclist: *don't* do things as root (sudo) unless you know exactly what they do and how to undo them
[19:41] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283094/
[19:42] <nacc> xcyclist: and can you pastebin `locale` output
[19:42] <tgm4883> why are you logged in as root
[19:43] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283102/
[19:43] <xcyclist> tgm4883:  TO demonstrate the problem.
[19:43] <nacc> xcyclist: i have no idea how you broke locales so badly that `locale` emits errors
[19:43] <marty__> nacc im building a computer, i just want to know what operating system to put on it, ( aka : ubuntu 14,15? lubuntu ect ) >> said computer << has an old processor, ( an intel celeron ) and very little ram ( about 740 mb ) i origonally download ubuntu 10.04, but when i came across a problem i was chewed out and told that i would not recieve help because 10 was no longer supported <<<<<<< what operating system am i
[19:43] <marty__> downloading to < said computer > so if issues or questions come up i can get help.
[19:44] <nacc> xcyclist: butg your default locale is buggy
[19:44] <nacc> marty__: ok, first off, only put supported releases on machines
[19:44] <xcyclist> Okay, so that sounds like I need to completely reinstall ubuntu.
[19:44] <nacc> marty__: 12.04 (although that is going to eol soon), 14.04 or 16.04 (these are the LTS releases)
[19:44] <nacc> marty__: i would say in your case, 14.04 or 16.04
[19:45] <marty__> thank you
[19:45] <nacc> marty__: i would not use ubuntu on that system, as it has too little ram to be a functional desktop, afaict
[19:45] <nacc> marty__: lubuntu may be worth trying from liveUSB
[19:45] <nacc> marty__: is there a reason you are choosing to build an obsolete computer that probably won't perform very well?
[19:46] <marty__> yes
[19:46] <nacc> xcyclist: are you on 16.04?
[19:46] <k11011011> Hi folks
[19:47] <k11011011> How to user from all groups in bash?
[19:47] <nacc> k11011011: i think you are missing a verb
[19:47] <k11011011> nacc: what do you mean?
[19:47] <marty__> nacc yes, it has the old floppy floppy disk drive and the disket drive, trying to get them transferd to a stable desktop
[19:47] <nacc> k11011011: "How to user"
[19:47] <k11011011> ah yea
[19:47] <k11011011> Remove*
[19:47] <marty__> sorry i have a bunch of games im trying to transfer to a stable desktop
[19:48] <nacc> marty__: huh? so you're building an old computer just to take files off of it?
[19:48] <marty__> nacc yes and its a gift afterwords for an old foggy that has never touched a computer
[19:49] <nacc> k11011011: deluser <user> <group>
[19:49] <k11011011> nacc: all groups
[19:50] <nacc> k11011011: do it in a loop over all groups the user is part of
[19:50] <nacc> k11011011: trivial bash loop
[19:50] <k11011011> OK
[19:50] <nacc> marty__: doesn't seem like such a kind gift :)
[19:50] <wildpenguin> is Gnome
[19:50] <minimec> k11011011: 'cat /etc/group | grep <user>' to list the groups, where <user> is in...
[19:50] <wildpenguin> is Gnome
[19:50] <nacc> marty__: but ok, i'm not sure it really makes sense to put ubuntu on it -- there might be better distributions for such a hardware limited system
[19:51] <nacc> marty__: lubuntu is worth trying, i suppose, but even then -- i think it will not be very fun to use
[19:51] <ivan_> hi
[19:51] <nacc> wildpenguin: do you have a question?
[19:51] <wildpenguin> is Gnome3 the most advance DE available now?
[19:51] <nacc> wildpenguin: define 'advance'? do you mean in the gnome family?
[19:51] <wildpenguin> may be
[19:52] <ppf> well it certainly has the highest number in all the gnomes!
[19:52] <wildpenguin> don't have any idea about the families here.
[19:52] <nacc> wildpenguin: why are you asking that question, then?
[19:52] <nacc> wildpenguin: what is your *actual* question
[19:53] <wildpenguin> I thought of trying that if that is more convenient and intuitive
[19:53] <wildpenguin> Using Mate and Lubuntu Desktop now.
[19:53] <marty__> nacc can you recommend a distribution? something that will support internet
[19:53] <xcyclist> I just got this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283147/
[19:53] <nacc> marty__: i am not sure
[19:54] <wildpenguin> how can I install the complet Gnome 3 desktop?
[19:54] <xcyclist> going through the manual procedure on this URL:
[19:54] <xcyclist> http://askubuntu.com/questions/748289/how-to-repair-ubuntu-installation-after-broken-dist-upgrade-without-losing-any-c
[19:54] <xcyclist> So it is still not fixed.
[19:54] <xcyclist> I was noticing this problem before I did anything with Python.
[19:55] <cmecca-> wildpenguin: sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop gnome-shell
[19:55] <nacc> xcyclist: yes, something is wrong with your locales
[19:55] <marty__> unetbootin supports lubuntu right?
[19:55] <cmecca-> hey all quick question, for 14.04; if /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades 20auto-upgrades or 10periodic are missing, will /etc/cron.daily/apt (or any other automated apt process) assume those values as 1 by default, or 0..
[19:55] <minimec> marty__: INstead of asking the same question a 100 times again. I think most of us here would recommend to try lubuntu 16.04 lts. See if it works. As you have the ubuntu base, hardware should be well supported. Other distributions will not really use less ram, as it is the GUI environment that takes most of the available RAM, not the underlaying base installation.
[19:56] <nacc> xcyclist: can you pastebin /etc/locale.gen?
[19:56] <wildpenguin> cmecca, will it create any problems if two other DE are already installed?
[19:56] <wildpenguin> could it slow down the system?
[19:56] <xcyclist> ok...
[19:56] <minimec> marty__: ONly possibility would be to take something like 'gentoo' and compile the whole software specially for your device, but that takes a lot of time.
[19:56] <cmecca-> wildpenguin: no i have multiple installed on my laptop -- just pay attention to the questions it asks, specifically when it asks you to select the login manager (lightdm (unity default) vs gdm, etc)
[19:57] <wildpenguin> ok.
[19:57] <xcyclist> root@delllap:~# wc -l /etc/locale.gen 486 /etc/locale.gen
[19:57] <marty__> minimec i repeat, the system will not support 16.04,  thanks tho
[19:57] <OerHeks> wildpenguin, try it yourself crazytux :-D
[19:57] <wildpenguin> that command above will install the complete desktop? nothing more needed?
[19:57] <cmecca-> wildpenguin: yep
[19:58] <minimec> marty__: Why will it not support 16.04? Because of 'pae'?
[19:58] <nacc> xcyclist: so? `pastebinit <  /etc/locale.gen`
[19:58] <wildpenguin> I don't want the system to become unstable after I try that. Can't reinstall Ubuntu.
[19:58] <S0bait> Hi
[19:58] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283165/
[19:58] <S0bait> I have a bunch of arduinos on my computer which i have symlinked using udev.
[19:59] <nacc> xcyclist: why did you cut the file up?
[19:59] <S0bait> I want to run a command which connects them to my ros when plugged in.. how do i go about doing that?
[19:59] <nacc> xcyclist: i can't help you if you don't provide the data
[19:59] <S0bait> I know udev has a RUN command but I am not sure, what would happen when its disconnected, would that stay running or would it stop
[20:00] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283169/
[20:00] <OerHeks> S0bait, "a bunch of arduinos on my computer" virtual??
[20:00] <xcyclist> Sorry man I'm just slow
[20:01] <S0bait> OerHeks: I have 5 arduinos connected to my machine, when they are connected I want to run rosserial command.
[20:01] <S0bait> OerHeks: Each of them starts a blocking process.
[20:02] <S0bait> OerHeks: Example command: rosrun rosserial_python serial_node.py /dev/itadard2 __name:=sonartest
[20:03] <xcyclist> nacc:  Does that show anything?
[20:03] <OerHeks> S0bait, 1st time i heard of rosserial, it is not in our repos
[20:04] <nacc> xcyclist: try running `sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales` and then picking whichever locales you want and then specifying which default locale you want
[20:04] <S0bait> OerHeks: Its ROS www.ros.org
[20:04] <OerHeks> maybe more luck in arduino channel?
[20:04] <S0bait> it provides a bunch of script to make a virtual connection to arduino and provides extra libraries
[20:05] <xcyclist> Ok.
[20:05] <S0bait> OerHeks: I think it doesnt matter waht command I am running though. I just want to know howdo I run a script when a usb is plugged in, and what happens to that spawned process when usb is taken off.
[20:05] <nacc> S0bait: RUN is for short-lived foreground processes
[20:05] <S0bait> So I am not asking an ROS specific question here.. just what is the behavior or udev RUN c
[20:05] <nacc> S0bait: `man udev`
[20:06] <marty__> minimec honestly i dont know i use usb as the boot medum and it just jumps straight to no bootable device or to the previous os
[20:06] <wildpenguin> what should be the default display manager? I am installing Gnome 3 DE.
[20:07] <OerHeks> S0bait, oke, something like this, except DRIVERS=="usb-storage" should be something that matches arduino?  https://askubuntu.com/questions/625243/how-to-execute-c-program-whenever-a-usb-flash-drive-is-inserted
[20:07] <xcyclist> I see why I picked all before.  It was the easiest choice.
[20:07] <wildpenguin> gdm 3 or lightdm?
[20:08] <wasutton3> so i've got an nfs server set up on arch, and im trying to configure an ubuntu client.
[20:08] <wasutton3> I'm trying to mount the nfs share on something owned by www-data:www-data, and it mounts properly.
[20:08] <wasutton3> however, its not writable, even by root
[20:09] <minimec> marty__: Ok. It might be, that your old computer does need a special kernel to boot. I you still have that installatioin medium, you can try to put a boot option. See here... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[20:09] <bekks> wasutton3: Did you share it readonly on the server?
[20:09] <minimec> marty__: Even though that page is for 'ubuntu', it will be the same for 'lubuntu'.
[20:09] <wasutton3> bekks, not that im aware of
[20:09] <wasutton3> this is the fstab line: /media/Array/Zoneminder/images  /srv/nfs/zm-images      none    bind    0       0
[20:10] <bekks> wasutton3: So show us your specific line of /etc/exports on the server please.
[20:10] <wildpenguin> Please can anybody help me?
[20:10] <k11011011> # 6) Remove the user from all groups  13 IFS=' ' groups=($(id -Gn $username))  14 unset IFS  15 printf "%s\n" "${groups[@]}"  16 for e in "${groups[@]}"  17 do  18         :  19         # deluser $username $e  20 done
[20:10] <k11011011> :D
[20:10] <wasutton3> here: /srv/nfs/zm-images	<IP_ADDRESS>/8(rw,no_subtree_check,nohide)
[20:10] <k11011011> Yeah, yeah I know about pastebin
[20:10] <bekks> wasutton3: And which permissions are set on that /srv/nfs/zm-images path?
[20:11] <xcyclist> Done.  I got this error at theend:  *** update-locale: Warning: LANGUAGE ("es:en") is not compatible with LANG (en_US). Disabling it.
[20:11] <bekks> xcyclist: Thats a warning, not an error.
[20:11] <wildpenguin>  what should be the default display manager? I am installing Gnome 3 DE.
[20:11] <nacc> k11011011: ... it's not funny, it's noise. If you know, use it :)
[20:11] <xcyclist> I still get the same error on my reinstall.
[20:12] <wildpenguin> gdm 3 or lightdm?
[20:12] <nacc> wildpenguin: whatever you choose, if you ahve multiple desktop environemnts
[20:12] <wildpenguin> ok
[20:12] <nacc> wildpenguin: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm` shoudl allow you to choose
[20:12] <wasutton3> bekks, 755 on /srv on /srv/nfs
[20:12] <dieterd> wasutton3: For me once, there was no way for writeable, because file system needed to repair.
[20:12] <wildpenguin> I have Mate and Lubuntu DE now. Want to install Gnome 3.
[20:12] <bekks> wasutton3: for root:root?
[20:12] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283226/
[20:12] <wasutton3> dieterd, nope this filesystem works. I've got an arch client with the same fstab working just fine
[20:12] <nacc> xcyclist: try unsetting LANGAUGE first (sudo LANGUAGE= apt reinstall....)
[20:12] <wasutton3> bekks, yes
[20:13] <bekks> wasutton3: So no one besides root is able to write stuff into that folder. And root is denied, du to the missing "no_root_squash" option.
[20:13] <xcyclist> Ok.
[20:14] <wasutton3> bekks, but wouldn't those permissions only matter for /srv/nfs and /srv/nfs/zm-images ?
[20:14] <bekks> wasutton3: we are talking about /srv/nfs/zm-images only, so far. And no one besides root is allowed to create stuff in there.
[20:15] <wasutton3> right, so if i chmod 777 (bad practice) /srv/nfs/zm-images, it should work
[20:15] <xcyclist> That ,didn't help, but I logged out and logged back in and it worked.
[20:15] <marty__> minimec thank you thank you thankyou
[20:15] <minimec> marty__: So I guess it worked... ;)
[20:16] <k11011011> guys another question
[20:18] <marty__> sarcasm
[20:21] <abaday1> can someone help me translate smartctl -A /pathto/device ? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283234/ How does my harddrive look?
[20:23] <ivan_> how to use hexchat?
[20:23] <bekks> abaday1: It's about to die soon, I'd say.
[20:24] <OerHeks> ivan_,  tons of howto's https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/install-use-hexchat-ubuntu-16-04
[20:24] <abaday1> bekks: o lawd, which line is it that shows how sick my drive is?
[20:25] <OerHeks> ivan_, and detailed http://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings.html
[20:25] <bekks> abaday1: line 9 and 13.
[20:26] <xcyclist> so my pip install is now completely broken
[20:26] <nacc> xcyclist: ?
[20:26] <xcyclist> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/PrTgiyOmYShljabbt9WH/
[20:26] <abaday1> bekks: thank you, is it the large number in the end that show?
[20:26] <nacc> xcyclist: do you understand what pip is? your pip install is probably fine, but the packages you installed with pip may be an issue
[20:26] <bekks> abaday1: yes
[20:26] <nacc> xcyclist: where did you get pip from?
[20:27] <abaday1> bekks: thanks for the help
[20:27] <xcyclist> I apt-get installed it, but then I used pip itself to update it.
[20:27] <Sna4x81> Tried to update from nvidia-331 to nvidia-375, and now I can't log in (I get the login screen, but when I log in it just flashes and brings me back to the login screen).  I've tried purging nvidia* and reinstalling 375, purging and reinstalling 331... no luck.  I've seen a number of threads online with similar issues, but they are mostly related to optimus, which I don't have on this box.  TIA.
[20:28] <jaelae> hey all. im looking to setup some vmware ubuntu desktops for users. what is the recommended way to allow a connection? something similar to windows RDP but not as bandwidth of a hogg is VNC
[20:28] <ivan_> @ivan
[20:30] <xcyclist> I just removed it and re-installed it with apt and it us still broken.  Is there a way to remove it and replace it repaired?
[20:30] <xcyclist> Man this is a time sink!
[20:31] <truelai> did you purge?
[20:31] <truelai> xcyclist: apt get remove --purge
[20:31] <truelai> apt-get
[20:33] <OerHeks> xcyclist, maybe remove ~/.cache/pip ??
[20:33] <xcyclist> I did try that once....trying again...
[20:34] <xcyclist> Nope.  Same end.
[20:34] <truelai> http://askubuntu.com/questions/231562/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-get-purge-and-apt-get-remove
[20:35] <xcyclist> Is there a way to go back to previous pip?
[20:35] <xcyclist> Is there ato ay to clean out pip from the system entirely and start over?
[20:36] <xcyclist> Cripes, If I had reinstalled ubuntu two hours ago I'd be done by now.
[20:36] <Ben64> xcyclist: whats the issue
[20:36] <xcyclist> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/PrTgiyOmYShljabbt9WH/
[20:36] <Ben64> check line 27
[20:37] <xcyclist> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/oDMYhOGbjWDrg55TEWzV/
[20:37] <Ben64> ok, check line 26
[20:39] <xcyclist>  Okay, there is no dist-packages file.
[20:39] <manu_> hello
[20:39] <Ben64> xcyclist: are you sure, that's not what the error says
[20:39] <xcyclist> It appears I need to clear and reinstall pip, but I do not know how.
[20:39] <xcyclist> Okay, just abit...
[20:40] <xcyclist> $ ls -al /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages ls: cannot access '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages': No such file or directory
[20:41] <xcyclist> I copied directly from the error message.
[20:41] <Ben64> anyway, try sudo pip install
[20:41] <xcyclist> Ok.
[20:41] <Ben64> the no permissions error means you don't have permissions
[20:42] <xcyclist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24283427/
[20:42] <Ben64> well you have to tell it what to install
[20:43] <xcyclist> Yes, that works, with the warning, but I have been told to NOT do it that way.
[20:43] <xcyclist> So what to do?
[20:44] <Ben64> i'd do it that way
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: i have no idea what you did wrong; on my system, you don't need sudo
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: and it works fine
[20:44] <xcyclist> Yes, but what Ilikely did was install one time with sudo.
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: and you really shouldn't use sudo with pip, it will lead to relatively serious breakage eventually
[20:44] <xcyclist> Once I did that, I fear this began.
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: yes and as i told you
[20:44] <nacc> xcyclist: you need to pip list and pip uninstall them all with sudo
[20:44] <xcyclist> So how to fix it.  Reinstall ubuntu?
[20:45] <xcyclist> I tried that, and it did not work.
[20:45] <nacc> xcyclist: the problem is you 're no longer using the system pip
[20:45] <nacc> xcyclist: which means you are not using ubuntu's pip and we can't really help you
[20:45] <nacc> xcyclist: if you're going to `apt-get install python-pip` don't `pip install pip`
[20:46] <nacc> xcyclist: which is what it looks like you've done
[20:46] <nacc> xcyclist: as the pip backtrace should be all in /usr/lib/python2.7 if using the ubuntu pip
[20:47] <dieterd> I run xubuntu 16.04 i386 with qemu on an arm-machine. But apt-get upgrade fails because of an ldconfig error.
[20:48] <dieterd> With xubuntu 10.04 till 14.04 all is ok.
[20:50] <xcyclist> Sorry, I tried again and got some success, but still have many ibstals
[20:50] <xcyclist> Not uninstalling wstool at /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages, outside environment /usr
[20:50] <xcyclist> is the error I get a lot
[20:52] <xcyclist> So now I am suffering from his:  bash: /home/xenocampanoli/.local/bin/pip: No such file or directory
[20:52] <xcyclist> apt-get remove and install of python-pip does not fix it.
[20:53] <bekks> xcyclist: Remove that path from your environment variable.
[20:53] <bekks> xcyclist: apt-get will never touch files inside your home.
[20:54] <OerHeks> all this because you used sudo + pip,..
[20:55] <xcyclist> There is no such environment variable.
[20:56] <bekks> xcyclist: there is a variable called PATH.
[20:56] <xcyclist> Not on root. nt Not on my user accou
[20:56] <bekks> xcyclist: on every account.
[20:58] <xcyclist> It is not anywhere.  Riebooting to see if it goes .  away.  I hope I can come back.
[20:58] <bekks> xcyclist: rebooting to not help nor fix issues, usually. This aint Windows.
[20:59] <bekks> xcyclist: Instead, please pastebin the output of "env".
[21:04] <xcyclist> Thanks guys. I am back.  It appears rebootig may have fixed some things.
[21:04] <bekks> xcyclist: Which things are fixed by reboot?
[21:05] <xcyclist> I do not get that .local path problem now.
[21:05] <xcyclist> My mouse still moves randomely though.
[21:05] <xcyclist> Also I still get:  You are using pip version 8.1.1, however version 9.0.1 is available. You should consider upgrading via the 'pip install --upgrade pip' command.
[21:05] <xcyclist> Should I do this upgrade?
[21:05] <xcyclist> It says it every time I use pip.
[21:05] <bekks> xcyclist: just dont use sudo pip again.
[21:06] <xcyclist> I promise I never will as long as the earth turns.
[21:07] <xcyclist> Meanwhile, it sounds like you are not against pip upgrade as above, even though the original was installed using apt?
[21:07] <boriseto> I've installed the HWE stack and since then I have both 4.4 and 4.8 kernels installed (both update together as well). I thought that only the active one was to remain. Why is that?
[21:07] <blackflow> xcyclist: don't do that. pip should be used only inside a virtualenv
[21:07] <bekks> boriseto: kernels arent uninstalled automagically.
[21:08] <LuC|FeR> when i try to apt-get install apache2 i got this : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283595/
[21:08] <xcyclist> I am completely at a loss to know how a sudo apt-get install python-pip can be properly be upgraded by a pip install --upgrade pip from my non-root user.
[21:08] <boriseto> bekks: so both will always stay side by side? I mean I usually autoremove whatever is extra and want to keep my system clean. It's not that it takes too much space but made me wonder...
[21:09] <bekks> LuC|FeR: can you please pastebin that again, running LANG=C sudo apt-get install apache2 ?
[21:09] <xcyclist> What is virtualenv?
[21:09] <bekks> boriseto: Yes. In case you want to purge old kernels, install the bikeshed package and run purge-old-kernels
[21:09] <blackflow> xcyclist: a "chroot2 like path/environment designed by and for python
[21:09] <boriseto> bekks: got it. It's okay though. Thanks for the info
[21:09] <blackflow> xcyclist:  chroot
[21:10] <LuC|FeR> bekks : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283609/
[21:10] <xcyclist> Ok.  I see it.
[21:10] <bekks> LuC|FeR: which Ubuntu is that?
[21:11] <blackflow> xcyclist: it's used to isolate python applications/modules/environments from each other
[21:11] <LuC|FeR> bekks  4.4.0-59-generic #80-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jan 6 17:47:47 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:11] <bekks> LuC|FeR: thats a kernel version, not your Ubuntu version.
[21:11] <LuC|FeR> how can i get the ubuntu version
[21:11] <bekks> LuC|FeR: lsb_release -a
[21:11] <nacc> boriseto: yeah, you ahve to remove the 16.04.1 metapackage
[21:12] <LuC|FeR> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
[21:12] <LuC|FeR> Release:        16.04
[21:12] <LuC|FeR> Codename:       xenial
[21:12] <nacc> LuC|FeR: that is rather odd -- can you pastebin `LANG=C sudo apt update` and the exact command you ran?
[21:12] <nacc> !info apache2 xenial
[21:13] <xcyclist> Okay, I installed virtualenv
[21:13] <xcyclist> I wish I could install a fix for my random mouse wanringde
[21:13] <boriseto> nacc: but nothing will go wrong if I just leave it (in theory) right? :)
[21:14] <nacc> boriseto: right, just make sure you use the right kernel (but both will keep updated) as you see fit
[21:14] <xcyclist> It appears to mostly affect me in web applications.
[21:14] <xcyclist> Much less so in the terminal.
[21:14] <LuC|FeR> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24283624/
[21:14] <xcyclist> FB has it really bad.
[21:14] <pankaj_> i want some help to change the setup of login screen in ubuntu ......with face detection lock system which is i am creating...................................can anyone help me
[21:15] <nacc> LuC|FeR: `apt policy apache2`
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> apt policy apache2
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> apache2:
[21:16] <LuC|FeR>   Installé : (aucun)
[21:16] <LuC|FeR>   Candidat : (aucun)
[21:16] <LuC|FeR>  Table de version :
[21:16] <nacc> LuC|FeR: use a pastebin please
[21:16] <nacc> LuC|FeR: was that the whole output?
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> nacc just a 3 lines
[21:16] <LuC|FeR> yes
[21:17] <bekks> I'd change the mirror and run apt update again.
[21:17] <nacc> LuC|FeR: well, it's in the archive you're using: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apache2/
[21:17] <LuC|FeR> so
[21:18] <nacc> and i see it in the package list from that mirror
[21:18] <nacc> LuC|FeR: did you manually muck with your package lists by any cahcne?
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> nacc what does it mean
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: did you edit anything under /var/lib/apt ?
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> yes nacc
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: sigh
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: why?
[21:19] <nacc> LuC|FeR: and don't do that.
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> nacc what i can do to backup it
[21:19] <LuC|FeR> :/
[21:20] <nacc> bekks: can you check my command?: `sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists; sudo apt update; apt policy apache2`
[21:20] <bekks> LuC|FeR: what did you edit in detail?
[21:20] <nacc> bekks: i think that shoudl regen the local lists, right?
[21:20] <bekks> nacc: Yes.
[21:20] <nacc> we might evan have a faq for this
[21:21] <joseph> Hi all - anyone have any experience using Citrix Receiver, in particular SSL error 4 ?
[21:23] <LuC|FeR> nacc still working with me boss ?
[21:24] <tfitts> I have a script that sets permissions on a printer port to be writable and then pipes the output from an mqtt client to the printer.  I've followed some directions to get the script to run on startup and it seems like it's running (I had it just write some text to a file) but the mqtt client either never opens or opens and then closes instead of staying open
[21:25] <tfitts> can you have a startup script leave something running like that if it isn't setup as a service
[21:25] <nacc> LuC|FeR: i think you can run the above command; but what did you edit in /var/lib/apt ?
[21:27] <bumbar_> which version of kernel ships with 16.10 / 17.04 ?
[21:28] <LuC|FeR> nacc i had a problem in installation of airtime which needs lot of packages : apache2 php5 postgresql and others, and when i tried to follow a tuto o figured that i'm in the wrong directory with the wrong user
[21:28] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic xenial | tfitts
[21:28] <OerHeks> bumbar_, see the releasenotes
[21:28] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic yakkety | tfitts
[21:29] <LuC|FeR> nacc i tried to fixe the problem but i had to remove all the packages installed and do it form the beggining
[21:29] <OerHeks> bumbar_, but updates may give newer versions
[21:29] <kenrin> 17.04 is on 4.10
[21:29] <bumbar_> i've downloaded 17.04 and can't install wih ryzen cpu
[21:30] <bumbar_> just spits out "unexpected irq trap at vector 07", i've updated bios
[21:30] <LuC|FeR> nacc so when i was tring to remove everything i got problem in apt update
[21:31] <SATA24> Hey. I am somewhat inexperienced with Ubuntu linux, and I was wondering if it was possible to install it, or some version of it, onto a Raspberry Pi Zero v1.3.
[21:31] <LuC|FeR> so i try to fixe it with rm /var/lib/apt/lists*
[21:32] <LuC|FeR> nacc and after get a new source.list
[21:32] <LuC|FeR> nacc that was the whole story :)
[21:33] <kenrin> What arch is the pi zero 1.3 ?  it needs to be ARM v7
[21:34] <SATA24> It is, I think.
[21:35] <kenrin> I'm pretty sure it uses the same proc as the first one SATA24
[21:35] <kenrin> ARM cortex,  which doesn't work
[21:36] <SATA24> I thought there were ARM releases of Ubuntu?
[21:37] <SATA24> Ubuntu-Mate and Snappy Ubuntu core are both listed on the Raspberry Pi website as usable OSes.
[21:39] <SATA24> So, it looks like the Raspberry Pi Zero v1.3 uses the same chip as the original Raspberry Pi, which is ARMv6 based, not v7.
[21:39] <kenrin> yep
[21:40] <nacc> LuC|FeR: so it's fixed now? or not?
[21:40] <SATA24> Is there a branch/fork of Ubuntu out there that supports ARMv6?
[21:40] <LuC|FeR> i was waiting for your answer lol
[21:41] <LuC|FeR> nacc what i have to do ?!
[21:42] <kenrin> No SATA24,  you'd have to use a debian build
[21:42] <SATA24> Great. I have no experience with Debian.
[21:42] <kenrin> ubuntu is based on debian,  You might not even notice other than desktop
[21:43] <OerHeks> even ubuntu-core wants rasppi2 or 3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[21:46] <IceB> on Ubuntu, when I type ufw command - how will I know if the command are executed from /usr/sbin/ufw or /usr/share/ufw ?
[21:47] <kenrin> check your $path,  it might be a symlink too
[21:47] <Mikelevel> IceB~ which ufw
[21:48] <IceB> thx
[21:49] <feneco> hi, my laptop turned off while running a make check, and after that I could not start X anymore, any ideas what I could do? I tried to purge and reinstall x but didn't work
[21:50] <Oderus> Hello everyone. Having issues with my Wifi, can't stay connected with a speed of upload over 20kb/s and cannot connect to a 5g network. I have started a thread in the forums containing all my information. If anyone could take a few minutes and see if theres anything they can think of. Thank you! Here's the forum link: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?71631-Wifi-Blues/page1&s=50fdbb1188
[21:53] <xcyclist> Gotta go.  Thanks for all the help.
[21:53] <minimec> feneco: I would switch to an console in case you have a black screen with <ctrl><alt>F1 , login then 'sudo journalctl -b' to get the logs from the current boot.
[21:55] <feneco> minimec: I can boot but I can't start X, even from another terminal
[21:56] <minimec> feneco: Well... That's why you might want to check the logs... You can also check 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | more', to get the log of the xserver.
[21:57] <feneco> hmmm
[21:57] <feneco> that helped minimec
[21:57] <feneco> the logs from journalctl were useful
[21:57] <feneco> seems gnome-shell was missing
[21:57] <feneco> reinstalled and now it's working fine
[21:57] <feneco> thank you very much
[21:57] <minimec> feneco: Cool... ;)
[21:59] <kenrin> Oderus:  Did you try the rtlwifi_new driver yet ?
[22:00] <Oderus> kenrin: I don't believe so!
[22:00] <OerHeks> !cookie | minimec
[22:02] <kenrin> https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new
[22:03] <lerner> i have 298 flac files in 10 different directories, all named 'track 01' or 'track 37' I have the names of the tracks on a plain text file. Is there any way of recursively renaming the files with the names in the list?
[22:03] <Oderus> kenrin: should i just download that whole thing as a zip and then build or?
[22:04] <kenrin> git clone it,  then make make install
[22:04] <kenrin> modprobe -v rtl8821ae
[22:08] <Oderus> kenrin : it's giving me fatal: Unable to find remote helper for 'https'
[22:08] <minimec> lerner: You could do that with a scipt... Well... would take some time to write it. Like "For each <file> in <folder>, take Xth line in <tracklist> and 'mv <file> <Xth line>. You may ask that question in #bash here on freenode.
[22:10] <kenrin> What command are you using ?
[22:10] <kenrin> It needs curl-devel.  Which is...  libcurl4-openssl-dev on ubuntu?...
[22:14] <Oderus> kenrin: same error once it's installed. command im using is git clone https://github.com/lwfinger/
[22:15] <kenrin> try just "git clone http://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new.git"
[22:16] <kenrin> Not sure why your https is fubared,  works fine for me
[22:16] <kenrin> Or just download the zip if that fails ;P
[22:16] <Oderus> okay i will do that lol
[22:17] <lerner> i also want to configure my machine to get updates and upgrades from a proxy and not directly from the web. How do I that?
[22:19] <kenrin> lerner: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto/#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[22:20] <kisuke> whats the recomended way to set up a vNIC these days? adapting https://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/04/create-virtual-network-adapters-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ jsut gives networking a seizure
[22:21] <antis1> hey guys, having trouble getting an old nvidia geforce 6200 graphics card to run with opengl (lubuntu 16.04 lts). system itself runs, but firefox, thunderbird, chromium etc. crash immediately. could anyone help with the nouveau driver?
[22:21] <kenrin> use "ip" package kisuke
[22:22] <kisuke> kenrin, thanks
[22:22] <kenrin> I don't know syntax,  but its something like "ip link add blah blah"
[22:23] <Oderus> kenrin: ok i've completed the tasks you mentioned. Now what? rebooot?
[22:25] <kenrin> Yeah easy way is to reboot.  there is some systemd service you can restart that I have no idea what name it is
[22:26] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-304 xenial
[22:27] <Oderus> kenrin: thank you very much, i will reboot now.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> antis1: ^^ What driver is intalled ? Show in pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[22:28] <davido_> Is there a way to set Unity to allow virtual workspaces to be switched on a per-monitor basis rather than across all monitors simultaneously?
[22:28] <davido_> (the poor-man's workaround is to set individual windows to display on all workspaces)
[22:30] <blackflow> I spy with my little eye something beginning with X! xorg-server 1.19 in zesty-proposed! yay!
[22:30] <davido_> nice.
[22:30] <lerner> kenrin, if I edit /etc/environment I dont need to edit bashrc or apt, correct?
[22:31] <antis1> bashing-om, wait a sec…
[22:31] <minimec> davido_: Unity can't do that, I think, but the enlightenment windows manager does that by default. Needs a lot of initial configuration, but once your have your config, you get a cool desktop experience.
[22:32] <kenrin> If that doesn't break other things on your system,  sure
[22:32] <lerner> hehehe...
[22:33] <kenrin> I try to just edit /etc/skel to add .bashrc on user create instead of throwing things globally
[22:36] <antis1> bashing-om, cannot put in pastebin right now (fresh install on another machine and no network there right now). basically it says "Nouveau" driver by nvidia and product id is "NV44 [GeForce 6200]" - what i wonder is, it does work in the live-dvd, but not on hdd-install
[22:37] <blackbird1> Hi, I have a new graphic card, but the resolution on the screen is large. In display system parameters, the message "unknown display" appears
[22:37] <blackbird1> http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/135594Slection709.png
[22:38] <antis1> bashing-om: oh, forgot -> version is "a1" 32 bit pci/agp bus on 66MHz frequency
[22:39] <Bashing-om> antis1: Nimber of thing s it "might" be . foremost that pops to mind ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' . Do "you" own and are grouped to these files, such that "you" are authorized to access the GUI ?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> number*
[22:41] <blackbird1> some commands: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24284155/
[22:41] <antis1> bashing-om: hm… maybe. should be everything right though -> it is a fresh install from DVD with no customizations taken place.
[22:42] <minimec> blackbird1: My guess is, that your screen doesn't give the correct information to your GPU, and therefore the xserver goes to a 'fallback' resolution. You can add the resolution of your monitor manually to the xserver.  With 'iwconfig' you can configure the wifi (wlan) devices... See 'iwconfig --help'
[23:05] <minimec> marty__: But in these days it is better to use the 'network-manager'.
[23:06] <lerner> do changes in ~.bashrc take place on the fly or do I have to source ~/.bashrc for changes to take place?
[23:07] <kenrin> kisuke:  Sorry you didn't say permanent,  that is normal editing inside /etc/network/interfaces or using NetworkManager
[23:08] <kenrin> lerner: yes,  that or relogon
[23:09] <lerner> mmmmm....
[23:09] <Bashing-om> lerner: .bashrc runs after the GUI is started, will require source'n for a change to take effect .
[23:10] <EriC^^> lerner: opening a new terminal should source it for that terminal
[23:10] <lerner> if I download an update for ubuntu, but on iftop I see it is downloaded from canonical, then the proxy is not working, as I should see the address of the vpn and not canonical's IP , correct?
[23:15] <antis1> bashing-om, are you still there? geforce 6200 works, thanks!! this is awesome and my assumption was right -> disabling the proprietary drivers at installation time does the trick!! Linux is great… :)
[23:17] <Bashing-om> antis1: Great ! Linux is designed to be worked with :)
[23:26] <Bashing-om> antis1: Keep in mind that at the end of this year nVidia will drop support for your card : http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases .
[23:26] <olalonde> what's a good remote GUI solution for ubuntu these days? tightvncserver?
[23:27] <olalonde> client is on MacOS
[23:27] <Tatou> I have a remote box with media files .. I want to mount it as a drive. Is this possible?
[23:27] <olalonde> Tatou: with nfs maybe?
[23:27] <Tatou> I want to use ssh/sftp/scp.. Just something secure.
[23:28] <antis1> that doesn't matter much -> first, this setup is more than 13 years old and struggles even on youtube videos in 360p, which doesn't come surprisingly. so, if it works for one or two more years, it can happily retire :)
[23:28] <kenrin> the fastest?  nomachine
[23:30] <Bashing-om> antis1: Give (L)ubuntu a whirl . you may be pleasanrly surprised : " It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware."
[23:30] <Bashing-om> pleasantly *
[23:30] <Jordan_U> Tatou: The easiest to setup IMHO is sshfs, understanding that especially if this is a publicly accessible ip then this machine *will* be attacked by bots and if you have any account with an insecure password your machine *will* be compromised.
[23:30] <Tatou> Jordan_U: The box is already out there on the internet
[23:31] <Jordan_U> Tatou: Does it already allow remote login via ssh?
[23:31] <Tatou> Jordan_U: It does! :)
[23:31] <Jordan_U> Tatou: Then you're done for server setup, just use sshfs on the client.
[23:32] <Tatou> Jordan_U: But I cannot install anything on the server
[23:33] <Tatou> Jordan_U: Holy hell! It just worked.. ssh://user@someserver.com:~/path..
[23:33] <lerner> im trying to chmod a directory: chmod ugo '/dir ec tory' <?
[23:33] <nacc> lerner: you didn't tell it to change the mode to anything
[23:34] <nacc> lerner: ugo and are all identifiers for which permission you want to modify
[23:37] <antis1> bashing-om: i use Lubuntu for some years now… in private and professional setups, also maintaining it for friends with different systems -> stable, lightweight and so it got me hooked. Has some "typical debian" "shortcomings", but nothing really to worry about…
[23:40] <Annoyed> Question about the software installer in 16.04 LTS.. the old version had an option to show technical software such as text irc clients, sshd and such. Was that removed?
[23:40] <Bashing-om> antis1: You do good work ! " "shortcomings",
[23:41] <Bashing-om>                 but nothing really to worry about…" ->> see the minimal install !
[23:41] <Didact69> ugh, I'm still confused about best practices of using iptables vs network manager...
[23:41] <Bashing-om> !minimal | antis1
[23:42] <blackflow> Didact69: there's no vs between the two, apples and oranges. the former is a packet filter the latter a network connection (interface set up) manager
[23:42] <antis1> bashing-om: thanx you :)
[23:43] <OerHeks> Annoyed, install synaptic, much more detailed softwarecenter with filter options
[23:43] <Didact69> blackflow: yet they both seem to be able to accomplish the same task, such as NAT
[23:44] <Bashing-om> antis1: My experience, no more short commings, but there is a learning curve !
[23:45] <blackflow> Didact69: not quite, only iptables can do that
[23:45] <antis1> ubottu: yeah, usually i put a "normal" setup on usb-stick or use the dvd setup, when not available (like today).
[23:45] <antis1> ubottu: :)
[23:45] <Didact69> so what is connection sharing in  nm-connection-editor ?
[23:48] <blackflow> Didact69: it may utilize lower level / iptables functions to establish nat between two networks
[23:49] <Annoyed> Thanks, OerHeks.
[23:49] <antis1> bashing-om: yes - only a lot of things need to match when you're in the professional world and the fight is still going on…
[23:57] <antis> bye for now and thanks for the help -> sleep is overdue xD


[15:05] <jrwren> did hirsute launch? should I do-release-upgrade?
[15:05] <jrwren> `No new release found.
[16:30] <cmaloney> try again
[16:30] <cmaloney> BTW: Penguicon this weekend
[16:30] <cmaloney> bang bang bang goes me on the drum
[17:30] <Scary_Guy> Aside from my normal hate of that event, during Covid seems irresponsible when we're currently the state with the most cases.
[18:01] <cmaloney> Penguicon is virtual this year
[18:05] <_stink_> will tron guy be there
[18:05] <_stink_> virtually
[18:07] <jrwren> yes, and the camera will be panning and zooming over all the details in his tron outfit.
[18:16] <_stink_> lol
[18:37] <Scary_Guy> I met him once, was kind of a dick.
[18:37] <Scary_Guy> One of my favorite movies too, despite being a Disney product
[18:48] <cmaloney> Same
[18:48] <cmaloney> Tron guy will likely not be attending
[18:59] <greg-g> I can tell you that my experiences at Penguicon are definitely not covid-safe ;)
[18:59] <greg-g> Glad it's happening this year though (virtually)
[19:00] <cmaloney> Same here