[17:15] <kadams54> The Silver Searcher: https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher
[17:48] <rick_h_> jujugui can someone send peter to Mark's room please. Ale needs him
[17:48] <hatch> rick_h_ peter isn't here
[17:49] <rick_h_> hatch: can someone do a quick look around please?
[17:49] <hatch> sure
[17:49] <rick_h_> thanks appreciate it
[17:49] <hatch> rumor has it he went to the lobby
[17:49] <huwshimi> (to check out)
[17:49] <huwshimi> (he's coming back)
[17:49] <rick_h_> huwshimi: hatch ah ok thanks
[17:50] <rick_h_> just toss him this way he can please
[17:50] <huwshimi> sure
[20:57] <huwshimi> bac: http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/trusty/uwsgi-0/:flags:/il/
[21:19] <redir> bac: ttp://goo.gl/46a6uU
[21:26] <bac> redir: got it, thanks
[21:26] <redir> np


[00:05] <wgrant> vila: There should be a delete button to the right of the title if you have permission, but only on edge at the moment.
[00:05] <Andre_Gondim> I have a question, this strings in rosetta is correct? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/installation-guide/+pots/partitioning/pt_BR/111/+translate maybe is ubuntu instead debian, no?
[00:06] <wgrant> You might need privileges over the project, not just the series.
[00:12] <vila> wgrant: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/174489 should be fixed RSN :)
[00:12] <vila> wgrant: thanks
[00:29] <tacone> how to mark a bug as duplicate ?
[02:35] <MTecknology> I'm trying to remember - how do I mark that a bug it being tracked externally and add the link?
[02:35] <MTecknology> nevermind
[02:36] <MTecknology> I can't track using http://drupal.org/node/203467 ...
[04:21] <Ursinha> MTecknology: so you're there :)
[04:21] <Ursinha> having a hard time with the bot :/
[04:22] <MTecknology> idk if I have time to really help
[04:22] <MTecknology> I've been fighting hard with developing creap for drupal
[04:23] <Ursinha> I know how that feels
[04:23] <Ursinha> but the help won't be nothing more complicated than telling me how to change a factoid :)
[04:24] <MTecknology> !no foo is <reply>bar
[04:25] <MTecknology> oops - ubottu is in here
[04:25] <Ursinha> hahahahahahahaha
[04:25] <Ursinha> :)
[04:25] <MTecknology> !MTeck is sorry, just showing an example
[04:25] <Ursinha> this seems easy
[04:26] <Ursinha> MTecknology: I didn't know that trick
[04:26] <Ursinha> thanks for that :)
[04:27] <MTecknology> np
[05:07] <poolie> i seem to be having trouble filing a new bug...
[05:07] <poolie> it just stalls
[05:16] <spm> poolie: edge? looks like edge1 got stuckered in the auto-update. So you may have been hitting that.
[05:18] <poolie> or just telstra suck
[05:18] <poolie> it worked now anyhow
[05:18] <poolie> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/342118
[05:19] <spm> yeah - I manually killed edge1, and was trying to verify if the update has completed or fail
[05:20] <thumper> poolie: heh, is this when skype died?
[05:20] <poolie> no, that was different
[05:20] <thumper> it is way past EOD here
[05:20] <thumper> poolie: how about we catch up Monday?
[05:20] <poolie> thumper: anyhow: for brisbane-core stuff see http://bazaar-vcs.org/Roadmap
[05:20] <poolie> oh right it's +3 hours from here
[05:20] <thumper> poolie: ta
[05:20] <poolie> i'd forgotten
[05:21] <poolie> have a good weekend
[05:21] <poolie> but just quickly-
[05:21] <poolie> you're not sprinting around allhands?
[05:27] <thumper> not personally
[05:27] <thumper> I expect there will be several people at the UDS
[05:27] <thumper> to do LP/code type talks
[05:27] <thumper> mingling
[05:28] <thumper> and all the rest
[05:30] <poolie> cool thanks
[05:54] <mwhudson> oh yes UDS
[05:54] <mwhudson> thumper: we should chat about that i guess
[07:38] <Coke> I have a few questions about launchpad BZR, why is my branch named barcodesforpython/beta when I actually named it "devel"? I have a series named beta, but I clearly remember naming the branch devel. ??
[07:48] <wgrant> Coke: If you associate a branch with a series, it gets an alias.
[07:49] <wgrant> It still has the lp:~user/project/branch name, but it also gets lp:project or lp:project/series
[07:53] <spiv> Coke: if you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/barcodesforpython, the link to lp:barcodesforpython/beta takes you to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~peter-stockholm/barcodesforpython/devel
[07:54] <spiv> Coke: i.e. see what wgrant said :)
[08:17] <soren> Any idea why the createBug API call gives me a HTTP 503 on staging?
[08:18] <soren> Mind you, I'm trying this for the first time. It's possible I'm doing something wrong.
[08:18] <wgrant> soren: I've been getting 503s from staging frequently today.
[08:18] <wgrant> Trying again generally helps.
[08:18] <wgrant> Or is yours reproducible?
[08:18] <soren> wgrant: Ok, good, so my code might be correct, I suppose.
[08:18] <soren> I'll try a few times..
[08:19] <wgrant> It could be your fault, but if it is then the 503 is a bug.
[08:19] <soren> True :)
[08:21] <soren> launchpad.bugs.createBug(description='long description', title='the title', target=pkg) where pkg is a a DistributionSourcePackage object I've created earlier.
[08:25] <wgrant> soren: Ah, it's a timeout.
[08:26] <wgrant> OOPS-1168S1099\
[08:26] <wgrant> And staging just got a new DB server...
[08:49] <Coke> spiv & wgrant indeed, thanks.
[09:00] <soren> wgrant: Ah, ok. Thanks.
[14:12] <flo_> Hi, does the ssh keys have a delay before they can be used ?
[14:55] <flo_> ok, i solved this alone .. have a good day everyone !
[16:31] <Pegasus_RPG> I need some help committing code to a launchpad project: I originally did bzr checkout using the public http address and now want to commit using the sftp address but I can't figure out how to tell bzr to stop using the http address
[16:33] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, hi
[16:33] <batoms> i need to reupload a package but in the rejection letter that I got from launchpad it doesn't have the link to the original tarball
[16:33] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, have you been using a checkout or a branch?
[16:33] <batoms> where are these original tarballs kept?
[16:33] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: uh, both?
[16:33] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: a checkout of a branch
[16:33] <batoms> crap, just found a link to it on my ppa page
[16:33] <batoms> that always happens
[16:33] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, so you have a local mirror of the branch then?
[16:34] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: Yes. I just used bzr checkout (via Olive)
[16:34] <Pegasus_RPG> but Olive is too slow to work with, so now I'm trying to commit via the command line
[16:34] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, what I need to know is whether you used did bzr checkout http://... or whether you did a bzr branch http://... and then a bzr checkout of that branch.
[16:35] <Pegasus_RPG> I just did bzr checkout http://
[16:35] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, Okay, so you can't commit right now then?
[16:35] <Pegasus_RPG> correct, as it says  http does not support mkdir()
[16:36] <Pegasus_RPG> (or it did, until I *cough* edited .bzr/branch/location
[16:36] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, what happens if type bzr info on your branch?
[16:36] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, It's a good idea to stay out of .bzr/branch/location
[16:36] <Pegasus_RPG> dunno, since I edited that file then changed it back, it tells me bzr: ERROR: Transport error: Server refuses to fullfil the request
[16:37] <Pegasus_RPG> no matter what I do
[16:37] <Pegasus_RPG> I can do bzr info on the sftp address and it looks sensible
[16:37] <Pegasus_RPG> Do I need to start over with a fresh checkout from the sftp address?
[16:39] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, I think you need to consider this checkout a loss.
[16:39] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: That's fine. Noone's done anything to the files I changed yet so I can just copy them somewhere safe
[16:40] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, I would suggest branching instead of checking out.
[16:40] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, checking out basically means "I don't want the D in DVCS"
[16:40] <Pegasus_RPG> The head devs of the project are just getting their feet wet with bzr as well
[16:40] <Pegasus_RPG> so I think they were trying to make it easy for us coming from SVN
[16:41] <Pegasus_RPG> At the moment, I don't think I want the 'D' since I need to share my changes with the other devs so we can collaborate on problems
[16:41] <Pegasus_RPG> So if I can still do that with a branch, what command should I issue to do the correct branch/checkout?
[16:42] <Pegasus_RPG> that will let me commit later?
[16:42] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, if you branch, you can version your patch, and then it can be merged into the trunk.
[16:42] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, what's the project?
[16:42] <Pegasus_RPG> Mixxx
[16:43] <Pegasus_RPG> Our trunk is still in SVN but we're trying bzr on Launchpad for the 1.6.2 release
[16:43] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, so what you want to do is bzr branch lp:mixxx
[16:43] <Pegasus_RPG> well, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emixxxdevelopers/mixxx/release-1.6.2/ in this case
[16:43] <rockstar> This will give you a branch that you can then push to your own code area and then propose to merge.
[16:45] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, this is usually how I work:  (1) create a branch from the most recent trunk, (2) Hack on it, making commits where it makes sense, (3) push the branch, (4) propose for merging...
[16:45] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, In the proposal stage, the code can be reviewed by my peers before it lands.
[16:45] <Pegasus_RPG> That's where we want to get to I think, but for now everyone's just trying to get used to bazaar
[16:45] <rockstar> Then people can vote on the proposal, and the you can merge your branch into trunk.
[16:46] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, but you don't want to get used to bzr as if it was svn.
[16:46] <Pegasus_RPG> oh
[16:47] <Pegasus_RPG> allright, so the devs have already made a branch for the feature-frozen v1.6.2 release. You're saying I need to branch that?
[16:47] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, yes, branch that.
[16:47] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, bytheway, what's your lp username?
[16:47] <Pegasus_RPG> pegasus-renegadetech
[16:48] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, so you'll want to do something like bzr push lp:~pegasus-renegadetech/mixxx/<name-of-your-branch>
[16:49] <Pegasus_RPG> I see, so I'll have a personal branch of the corporate release branch
[16:49] <Pegasus_RPG> (which is itself a branch of trunk)
[16:49] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, yes.  This means that anyone can hack on mixxx without having to have "commit privileges"
[16:49] <Pegasus_RPG> But I do have commit privs. :)
[16:50] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, So if I wanted to do something on Mixxx, I don't have to have those commit privileges.  I can just hack and then propose for merging.
[16:50] <Pegasus_RPG> anyway, ok. THanks for your time
[16:50] <Pegasus_RPG> ...as opposed to mailing patches. NIce
[16:50] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, since you have privileges on the branch, you can merge your branch yourself.
[16:50] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, yeah, it makes it really easy to collaborate.
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> ok, so the command sequence again will be bzr branch sftp://
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> <make changes>
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> bzr commit
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> <like changes>
[16:51] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, no, not sftp:// but bzr+ssh://
[16:51] <Pegasus_RPG> aroo?
[16:52] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, also, when you're committing, you're only committing locally to your filesystem.  If you want others to see these changes, you'll have to push them to Launchpad.
[16:53] <Pegasus_RPG> ok so after I like my changes, I bzr push?
[16:54] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, or, if you're making a lot of commits, you push every few commits, so everyone can see your progress, even if it's not ready.
[16:55] <Pegasus_RPG> and that goes into my personal branch, when I push, right?
[16:55] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, when it IS ready, you can propose it for merging into 1.6.2 and/or trunk
[16:55] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, it goes into A personal branch.  You can have as many personal branches of a project as you want.
[16:55] <Pegasus_RPG> oh jeez
[16:55] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, ?
[16:56] <Pegasus_RPG> starting to hurt my brain. :)
[16:56] <Pegasus_RPG> anyway, I think I get it
[16:56] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, so, let's say that I'm hacking on a feature, and I get blocked on another developer's work.  I can branch again and work an another feature, coming back to that one.
[16:56] <rockstar> Er, coming back to the original one when I'm not blocked anymore.
[16:57] <Pegasus_RPG> Sounds handy, but all the merges that have to happen after that make me shudder
[16:57] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, it's really not that hard.
[16:57] <rockstar> Merges in bzr are not like merges in svn.  They are MUCH easier, and have less issue.
[16:57] <Pegasus_RPG> well that's good
[16:58] <Pegasus_RPG> Much of the work we're currently doing is cleanup, and due to Mixxx poor internal design, everything touches everything else, so chances for conflicts are high
[16:58] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, also, I have a project that merges approved branches automatically.  http://edge.launchpad.net/tarmac
[16:59] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, I know that dance.  Another project I work on is doing something similar.  As long as you communicate, it's relatively trivial to fix the conflicts.
[17:00] <Pegasus_RPG> ok, so is there a quick reference sheet on the appropriate times to use the different bazaar commands?
[17:00] <Pegasus_RPG> I'm not going to remember all this
[17:01] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, https://edge.launchpad.net/+tour/index
[17:01] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, https://help.launchpad.net/
[17:01] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, http://theironlion.net/blog/2009/01/13/using-bazaar-launchpad-making-pushing-easy/
[17:02] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, and I'm usually always around, so you can just bug me.
[17:02] <Pegasus_RPG> heh thanks
[17:25] <thekorn_> leonardr, hi, are you working on bug 340935? if not I can give it a try, from your last comment it looks like it should be easy to fix
[17:26] <leonardr> thekorn_: go ahead
[17:27] <thekorn_> okidoki
[17:41] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:41] <_Groo_> any kubuntu devs alive?
[17:46] <Pegasus_RPG> hey rockstar, When doing bzr branch lp:~mixxxdevelopers/mixxx/release-1.6.2  I first get a warning that the server doesn't support streaming, then it gets stuck at the same point every time while downloading
[17:46] <Pegasus_RPG> any idea what's wrong?
[17:48] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, that was a bug with 1.6 I believe.
[17:48] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, how does it get "stuck"
[17:48] <Pegasus_RPG> \ [[17:48] <Pegasus_RPG> ] Transferring 0/4^
[17:49]  * Pegasus_RPG has bzr 1.5 in Debian
[17:49] <kiko> Pegasus_RPG, you really want to be on 1.12 or more recent
[17:49] <Pegasus_RPG> peachy
[17:52] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, it's probably still working, but older bzr's had a hard time telling you it was doing anything.
[17:52] <Pegasus_RPG> oh so just be patient? ;)
[17:53] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, possibly.
[17:54] <thekorn> leonardr, pushed a fix to lp:~thekorn/launchpadlib/fix-340935-bug_target, I'm not totally sure if this is the same idea as in your last comment, but at least it seems to work
[17:55] <leonardr> thekorn, cool
[17:56] <Pegasus_RPG> ah yes, my modem is showing activity and df shows more space taken each time :
[17:57] <Pegasus_RPG> :)
[17:59] <kiko> thekorn, hey, nice work
[18:00] <thekorn> hi kiko, thanks
[18:05] <leonardr> thekorn: can you propose that for merging into the trunk?
[18:05] <leonardr> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/launchpadlib/fix-340935-bug_target/+register-merge
[18:06] <leonardr> write up a summary of your changes and we'll get it reviewed
[18:06] <thekorn> leonardr, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~thekorn/launchpadlib/fix-340935-bug_target/+merge/4452
[18:11] <leonardr> thekorn: your code needs to work for any incoming document that has a resource_type, not just #bug_target
[18:12] <leonardr> the code to do this might have to go into bind()
[18:19] <thekorn> leonardr, hmm, so this bug has to be fixed in wadllib and not launchpadlib ;) will try to understand how this bind() method works tomorrow
[18:20] <leonardr> thekorn: ok, great. thanks again for taking this on
[18:23] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: ok, ready to push...what ssh:// address do I need?
[18:24] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, well, need to push to your area of the mixxx project, so you construct the url like this:
[18:25] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, bzr push lp:~<your-lp-name>/mixxx/<your-branch-name>
[18:36] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: the head devs are playing around now. How do they actually merge an approved proposal?
[18:37] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, there are a few ways, but the easiest is to go to the branch index page of the branch and then click "Propose for merging into another branch"
[18:37] <Pegasus_RPG> No, I mean another user already did that, and the hed dev approved it
[18:37] <Pegasus_RPG> how does he merge it now?
[18:42] <Pegasus_RPG> when I do "bzr commit" locally, must I specify the files I want to commit?
[18:44] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, no.
[18:44] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, you CAN, but you don't have to.
[18:44] <Pegasus_RPG> if I don't does it push the ENTIRE repository? because it's been saying Copying signature texts 3/5 for the last 10 minutes
[18:44] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, when you need to merge, go to your branch that you want to merge into, and do bzr merge lp:<path-to-the-other-branch> and then commit and push.
[18:45] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, push and commit and two different things.
[18:45] <Pegasus_RPG> rockstar: I know. I'm jumping around concepts, sorry. ;)
[18:45] <Pegasus_RPG> I committed before to my local store
[18:45] <Pegasus_RPG> now I'm pushing and it's taking a loooong time
[18:45] <Pegasus_RPG> which makes me wonder if I committed incorrectly
[18:46] <rockstar> Pegasus_RPG, you REALLY need to upgrade to at least bzr 1.6, as bzr will then stack the branch on the trunk branch, so you don't push the whole repo.
[18:46] <Pegasus_RPG> ah, so I AM pushing the whole damn thing
[18:47] <seb128> hi
[18:48] <seb128> is there any way to tell launchpad to spam you about a project you don't care about but for which one you registered the upstream product or component?
[18:49] <seb128> I got a GNOME upstream who registered seahorse to be able to add a bug watch and he complains about getting spammed now
[19:03] <Pegasus_RPG> now how do I keep my personal branch in sync with the corporate one?
[20:06] <savvas> Pegasus_RPG: something like this? bzr pull
[21:54] <ronny> gmb: ping? sup on the pida lp sync issue?
[21:56] <gmb> ronny: I've made no headway on this as yet. I'm just dealing with another issue at the moment. Bear with me and I should be able to check out a couple of theories that I have within the next hour or so.
[21:58] <ronny> gmb: i dont personally manage the trac tho, so it might also be a small issue on out side
[22:00] <gmb> ronny: Okay. I'm investigating. I think the issue is in the plugin rather than in what launchpad is passing to it (otherwise it would fail for everyone, and it doesn't) but I want to be sure exactly what the problem is and if necessary issue a patch for it.
[22:01] <MTecknology> kiko: Hey.... you available?
[22:01] <ronny> hmm, let me get some logins
[22:07] <MTecknology> Why can't kiko be around... I started talking to him once and he ran away... :P
[22:07] <MTecknology> I don't think I smell that bad
[22:08] <ronny> MTecknology: kiko is a very busy man - you have to be very assertive
[22:09] <MTecknology> ronny: hrm... I know he's busy - that's why I tried to be polite
[22:09] <MTecknology> kiko: HERE, NOW!
[22:09] <ronny> hmm, you might need a whip
[22:09] <MTecknology> no - that just feels wrong :P
[22:12] <ronny> gmb: we noticed that the permissions in our egg cache where fscked, that caused sporadic random server errors
[22:12] <ronny> i think its fixed now
[22:18] <kiko> MTecknology, heh, ok. how are you doing?
[22:18] <kiko> hey ronny
[22:20] <MTecknology> kiko: doing great, I devoted my entire spring break to getting that theme done... it's 100% perfect in IE7 and Firefox
[22:21] <MTecknology> kiko: Is there any chance I could steal some of your day away from you? :)
[22:21] <kiko> heh
[22:21] <MTecknology> oh - theme almost 100% if IE6
[22:21] <kiko> MTecknology, yes, you have me for 2 minutes
[22:22] <MTecknology> kiko: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/62325
[22:23] <kiko> MTecknology, I am physically opposed to a project which is named anything-releases
[22:23] <kiko> it just screams bad modeling
[22:23] <MTecknology> kiko: That's just where I package the compilation of everything
[22:24] <kiko> mmm
[22:24] <MTecknology> kiko: That was only if you approve the ubuntu-drupal super project, then that thing has a place to move too
[22:24] <MTecknology> kiko: I can pick any name you think appropriate for that :P
[22:25] <kiko> I'm thinking, but I think you're right
[22:25] <rockstar> statik, yo.
[22:26] <kiko> MTecknology, what does ubuntu-drupal-openid, etc have that is special that drupal-openid wouldn't have?
[22:26] <kiko> i.e. why isn't this drupal-openid?
[22:27] <MTecknology> ubuntu-drupal-openid is where the active development takes place, Canonical QA merges those changes to drupal-openid after they check everything
[22:27] <MTecknology> same with those other 2 devs
[22:28] <kiko> what's the reason for that to be a separate project?
[22:28] <kiko> I'm a bit baffled as why those aren't just devel branches of drupal-openid
[22:29] <kiko> it suggests abuse of project
[22:29] <MTecknology> Stuart Metcalfe seemed to really like the idea
[22:29] <kiko> this is why I really don't like that request -- when I start looking into it it just looks totally wrong
[22:29] <kiko> yeah, and I think he's crazy
[22:29] <MTecknology> lol
[22:29] <kiko> we put in 2 man-years of work to get codehosting to do exactly what you are doing
[22:29] <kiko> and then you create separate projects and defeat us in one button click :)
[22:30] <MTecknology> you could name them drupal-openid-dev if you wanted...
[22:30] <kiko> no
[22:30] <kiko> they shouldn't exist
[22:31] <kiko> they should just be branches of the existing drupal-openid branch
[22:31] <kiko> all under the drupal-openid project
[22:31] <kiko> using a separate project makes no sense!
[22:31] <MTecknology> The reason we made another branch for it was for all of us to work on w/o worrying about who has access
[22:31] <MTecknology> another project*
[22:32] <MTecknology> Stu was making sure that nobody except those select few has access to the trunk
[22:32] <kiko> MTecknology, you can have separate branches under the same project. I repeat, there's no reason to have separate projects.
[22:32] <kiko> separate branches, owned by different people and teams, I underline
[22:32] <kiko> do you see what I mean?
[22:32] <MTecknology> could you assign a team to have control over just that branch?
[22:33] <kiko> YES
[22:33] <kiko> YES
[22:33] <kiko> YES
[22:33] <kiko> heh
[22:33] <kiko> I guess this must be really confusing
[22:33] <MTecknology> sorry
[22:33] <kiko> I have the curse of knowledge!! argh
[22:33] <kiko> so
[22:33] <kiko> in summary
[22:34] <kiko> just move the branches over to the drupal-openid project
[22:34] <MTecknology> k
[22:34] <kiko> the owner of the branch will remain unchanged
[22:34] <kiko> i.e.
[22:34] <MTecknology> that much makes sense now
[22:35] <kiko> if it is currently https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-modules/ubuntu-drupal-openid/6.x
[22:35] <kiko> all that will change
[22:35] <kiko> is that it will be
[22:35] <kiko> if it is currently https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-modules/drupal-openid/6.x-ubuntu or whatever
[22:35] <kiko> sorry, strike that last sentence and replace with:
[22:35] <kiko> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-modules/drupal-openid/6.x-ubuntu or whatever
[22:35] <kiko> IOW
[22:35] <kiko> the ~ bit stays the same
[22:35] <MTecknology> iow?
[22:35] <kiko> and the project changes
[22:35] <kiko> so for that branch, only members of ubuntu-drupal-modules can commit to it
[22:36] <kiko> even though it is part of another project
[22:36] <MTecknology> ok
[22:36] <MTecknology> then I just destroy the projects...
[22:36] <kiko> yeah, I can do that as soon as you've finished
[22:37] <MTecknology> ok - after I do that, would you be opposed to making a super project with those different projects?
[22:37] <MTecknology> the ones I move the branches to
[22:37] <kiko> do you think it makes sense to make drupal-openid a member of a project group called ubuntu-drupal?
[22:37] <kiko> I think that will turn off pure drupal users..
[22:38] <MTecknology> It'd still be the Ubuntu Drupal project doing the developement on it
[22:38] <kiko> no..
[22:38] <kiko> well, the ubuntu teams
[22:38] <kiko> not opposed, but I think it does turn off people that have nothing to do with ubuntu
[22:38] <kiko> do you see my point?
[22:38] <MTecknology> ya
[22:39] <kiko> drupal-openid is an independent entity in a way -- any fedora user that uses drupal can use it and benefit
[22:39] <kiko> as soon as you place it under ubuntu, that value decreases
[22:39] <MTecknology> except that they only work w/ Launchpad
[22:39] <MTecknology> I saw it as Ubuntu and Launchpad being related
[22:40] <MTecknology> common link: canonical
[22:40] <MTecknology> so when we do that - no point in the super project
[22:41] <kiko> well..
[22:41] <kiko> do they only work with launchpad, or is it with any openid provider, launchpad being the default?
[22:41] <MTecknology> only launchpad
[22:41] <kiko> why?
[22:41] <kiko> the openid stuff should be totally generic
[22:42] <kiko> is it because of the teams stuff?
[22:42] <kiko> or something else?
[22:42] <MTecknology> drupal-openid has modified code so it'll work with the drupal-launchpad and and drupal-teams modules
[22:42] <kiko> interesting
[22:43] <MTecknology> I think drupal-openid by itself still works fine w/ any provider
[22:43] <MTecknology> but the other two modules won't work w/o the modified code
[22:43] <kiko> gotcha
[22:43] <kiko> so
[22:43] <kiko> here's my suggestion
[22:43] <kiko> move the branches across
[22:43] <kiko> there's only reason to keep the branches separate if they are really meant to be long-lived forks
[22:43] <kiko> if they are just devel branches, then they live under the main projects
[22:44] <MTecknology> k
[22:44] <kiko> I think we should create a project group
[22:44] <kiko> to group ubuntu-drupal-theme and ubuntu-drupal if you mean the last one to be a long-lived branch
[22:44] <MTecknology> I'll do that - It might take me a little bit since I'll need to run it by stu and everyone else
[22:44] <kiko> I'm unsure about drupal-planet
[22:44] <kiko> is it like drupal-openid in the sense that it's ubuntu-unspecific?
[22:45] <kiko> or is it more like ubuntu-drupal-planet?
[22:45] <MTecknology> We were trying to mimic planet.ubuntu.com
[22:45] <kiko> or is it just a branch of ubuntu-drupal?
[22:45] <kiko> err
[22:45] <kiko> a branch of drupal sorry
[22:45] <MTecknology> not a branch of drupal
[22:45] <MTecknology> module for it
[22:45] <kiko> gotcha
[22:45] <kiko> so...
[22:45] <kiko> guideline for you in the future
[22:46] <kiko> if the thing is going to have releases (i.e. tarballs) it is a project
[22:46] <kiko> if it is just a bunch of branches of some existing project, put the branches in that project -- the branches will still be owned by whatever team you specify!
[22:47] <kiko> I think drupal-openid is likely to be standalone, or maybe part of the drupal project group
[22:47] <kiko> as I suspect drupal-openid should be
[22:47] <kiko> MTecknology, want me to write this up in the answer?
[22:47] <MTecknology> sure
[22:47] <MTecknology> That way I always have a reference rather than in logs
[22:47] <kiko> MTecknology, I really don't want to be difficult -- I just want to make sure you get the most out of launchpad by using the features :)
[22:48] <MTecknology> yup :)
[22:48] <MTecknology> kiko: would you consider drupal-{launchpad,teams} part of the project group since those interect directly with launchapd and only launchpad?
[22:49] <MTecknology> the teams module was considered for being opened to other openid providers, but we pretty quickly dismissed it because their would be too much each provider would have to exactly match for it to work
[22:49] <kiko> MTecknology, no
[22:49] <MTecknology> ok
[22:49] <kiko> MTecknology, because it's not ubuntu-specific
[22:50] <MTecknology> alrighyty
[22:50] <kiko> if you want to call the project group something like "Drupal Futurism" or whatever
[22:50] <MTecknology> hey...
[22:50] <kiko> then I think it might be more appropriate
[22:50] <kiko> is there a drupal project group already?
[22:50] <MTecknology> I like that
[22:50] <kiko> heh
[22:51] <MTecknology> ya, there is
[22:51] <kiko> my point is to keep the stuff ubuntu-neutral to the extent it is possible and useful
[22:51] <kiko> if there is stuff that is more closely related to drupal, put it in the drupal project group!
[22:51] <kiko> that way it's advertised more widely
[22:51] <MTecknology> you wanna give me a few seconds here
[22:52] <MTecknology> eh... nvm
[22:52] <MTecknology> sounds good :)
[22:52] <MTecknology> kiko: what did you conclude about ubuntu-drupal-release?
[22:53] <kiko> MTecknology, I'm not sure -- asked in the question just now
[22:53] <kiko>   - The only remaining thing I'm curious about is ubuntu-drupal and ubuntu-drupal-theme. Does it make sense to actually have a project group for them? Will they release separate tarballs? Is ubuntu-drupal a fork of drupal, or a config, or a module?
[22:54] <MTecknology> there will be separate release tarballs
[22:55] <MTecknology> I just haven't made any yet for the theme
[22:56] <MTecknology> kiko: sometime in the near future, I will package released for ubuntu-drupal-theme
[22:57] <MTecknology> I'm just finishing up with some IE6 bullshit and I'll bre ready
[22:57] <kiko>  Is ubuntu-drupal a fork of drupal, or a config, or a module?
[22:57] <MTecknology> the tarball is a group of modules and themes
[22:57] <MTecknology> one theme
[22:57] <MTecknology> I devoted of 80hr this week to that theme.....
[22:58] <MTecknology> hurray spring break
[22:58] <kiko> my mom is very funny
[22:58] <kiko> she just called me
[22:58] <kiko> I am on the second story
[22:58] <kiko> and she's on the first
[22:58] <kiko> she wants me to come to dinner!!
[22:58] <MTecknology> lol
[22:58] <kiko> she says the stairs are too hard
[22:58] <MTecknology> :P
[22:58] <kiko> MTecknology, hmmmmmmmm
[22:59] <kiko> MTecknology, it's an interesting problem!!
[22:59] <MTecknology> what is?
[22:59] <kiko> the -releases thing
[22:59] <kiko> it's like an all-in-one
[22:59] <MTecknology> kiko: actually - and some point ubuntu-drupal will have branches
[22:59] <MTecknology> I'm waiting on a bazaar feature though
[22:59] <MTecknology> to do exactly that
[22:59] <MTecknology> ubuntu-drupal-package
[22:59] <MTecknology> ?
[23:00] <kiko> hmmm
[23:00] <kiko> I think -releases is okay
[23:00] <kiko> I'll do that now
[23:00] <gmb> ronny: Okay, thanks for letting us know. I don't *think* that's the problem (the error message suggests that LP isn't passing an integer where it should be), but I'll bear it in mind.
[23:00] <MTecknology> rename it if we ever come up with anything better?
[23:00] <kiko> exactly
[23:02] <kiko> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-drupal
[23:02] <kiko> yours!
[23:02] <MTecknology> kiko: oh - drupal isn't a project group
[23:02] <MTecknology> lol - so pretty :P
[23:03] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[23:03] <kiko> maybe we need a drupal project group instead
[23:03] <kiko> well, think about it
[23:03] <kiko> I'm gonna have dinner! yay
[23:03] <MTecknology> kiko: thanks
[23:04] <MTecknology> kiko: I guess I need to ask the staff to add my projects?
[23:08] <wgrant> MTecknology: No, you just set the field on your project's +edit.
[23:08] <wgrant> (which is very strange)
[23:08] <MTecknology> wgrant: oh - thanks :)
[23:09]  * wgrant makes his projects part of ~launchpad-project
[23:09] <wgrant> s/~//
[23:12] <gmb> :744
[23:12] <gmb> Err.
[23:12] <gmb> Whoops. This isn't vim, is it?
[23:12] <wgrant> gmb: Unfortunately.
[23:12] <wgrant> We have vimperator for web browsers, but nothing for IRC AFAIK :(
[23:13] <gmb> wgrant: If I had any kind of notion to hack using Perl I would write an irssi plugin to accept basic vim commands for no other reason than the desire to do so. However, I have no desire to write Perl.
[23:13] <gmb> Ever.
[23:14] <wgrant> gmb: Good policy.
[23:21] <rockstar> gmb, I can't count how many times I've typed :!bzr commit in the terminal.
[23:36] <MTecknology> kiko: when you get back - what is your opinion about making a project group for drupal and giving a team we make access to it?


[02:36] <jose> mhall119: I believe I do have the history for UbuConLA, but not the rest - though the wiki seems to have a lot of info
[05:53] <svij> mhall119: I've added the missing german ubucons on that wiki page
[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:36] <Kilos> morning all
[12:16] <MooDoo> howdy all
[12:23] <Kilos> hi MooDoo  dholbach
[12:24] <Kilos> and others
[12:25] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[12:26] <MooDoo> :)
[12:31] <elacheche> Hey guys :)
[12:53] <MooDoo> hey
[20:39] <YoBoY> mhall119, hi, it's an old picture… but the original one is here https://www.flickr.com/photos/rock-n-pol/5916332733/in/album-72157626852322874/ it's in CC BY NC SA (and there is lot of other pictures ^^)


[00:12] <Delemas> The problem is I need to rebuild a debian package of 7zip and I started with bad package where someone clearly modified the original tarball.... Nothing can be simple...
[00:32] <Delemas> It would make sense to delete the source archive when the package is deleted.
[00:34] <sarnold> if no clients downloaded any packages built from it, maybe; it's a big guess, but probably deleting and recreating the ppa would free up the package name
[00:34] <sarnold> s/probably/maybe/
[00:43] <Delemas> Probably would but I've got 7 years of packages in there I would have to move to do that.


[00:17] <s0ulslack> afternoon, so I'm in rescuse mode trying to stop wireguard from coming up on boot cause its hosing something
[00:18] <s0ulslack> got the hd mounted, any pointers?
[00:19] <sarnold> I think it'll depend on how you configured wireguard; if you used the wg-quick tool, check out systemctl list-units 'wg-quick@*'  or something like that
[00:21] <s0ulslack> No luck sarnold
[00:22] <s0ulslack> Indeed though, using the wg-quick method via systemd
[00:24] <sarnold> s0ulslack: hrm :( I was hoping it'd be a quick 'yes that looks like it' then you're just one systemctl disable away from being done.. maybe check /etc/systemd/ and /lib/systemd/ and all those usual places to find the configs by hand?
[00:26] <s0ulslack> yes sir, nothing
[00:26] <s0ulslack> its strange as hell
[00:30] <sarnold> s0ulslack: well, the next guesses would be netplan, which generates sytemd-networkd configs.. after that, maybe a local init script..
[00:32] <Unit193> If it is causing a problem, I'd guess one of your post-up wg hooks is written to do bad things™
[00:33] <s0ulslack> Sorry, not too used to Ubuntu. netplan?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> !netplan | s0ulslack
[00:52] <lmat> I'm using shutter to take a screen shot. How do I use shutter to upload the screen shot to imgur as a guest?
[00:52] <lmat> I have looked online a lot and there are many threads on how to STOP uploading as guest and upload to my own account. I don't want that.
[00:53] <lmat> When I go to shutter preferences then click "Upload" on the left, there are three entries: vgyme, Gyazo, and ToileLibre. I think I'm wanting to add an imgur option.
[00:53] <lmat> Really, any of these would be fine if they can allow me to share screenshots (for instance) over IRC.
[00:55] <sarnold> I suspect it hasn't worked in a while https://bugs.launchpad.net/shutter/+bug/1565048
[00:55] <sarnold> oh another user provided a replacement in a comment
[00:57] <s0ulslack> sarnold: so I've got some wg-quick.service and .target files in /lib/systemd/system after looking harder
[00:59] <sarnold> s0ulslack: those are 'just' the templates, the instances will have the configuration that's used in the ExecStart= line in the templates..
[01:01] <s0ulslack> here goes a reboot
[01:02] <lmat> sarnold: Okay, thank you.
[01:05] <s0ulslack> Man, that was the first remote episode I've had in abit haha
[01:05] <s0ulslack> Thanks sarnold
[01:05] <sarnold> s0ulslack: is your system back and happy?
[01:06] <s0ulslack> Indeed. Now if I can get my cheeks to release this portion of chair we're good ;)
[01:06] <sarnold> hahahaha
[01:06] <s0ulslack> Now I'mma not wanna try wireguard on the vps again
[01:07] <sarnold> heh, yeah, I want to set up a wireguard vps but don't want to try converting the one I'm currently using for irssi.. I want to start over from scratch with a new system that's got no baggage and I don't expect to be online all the time :)
[01:33] <linsux> will i be in trouble if i remove snapd in ubuntu 22.04?
[01:35] <oerheks> parts of gnome are snaps, so yes.
[01:35] <sarnold> linsux: run snap list to see what snaps you're using; if you don't care about those, then you won't miss it much
[01:36] <linsux> but i heard that system upgrade needs to use snap?
[01:36] <linsux> is that true?
[01:37] <sarnold> it depends on who said what, exactly :)
[01:37] <sarnold> upgrading from previous releases will bring in snap if it wasn't already there, since you've probably got firefox installed, and firefox is packaged as a snap in 22.04
[01:39] <linsux> i installed firefox ppa and removed firefox from snapd
[01:40] <linsux> and then i removed all apps one by one in snap and finally uninstalled snapd
[01:40] <linsux> i prefer flatpak over snap
[01:41] <sarnold> linsux: keep an eye on that firefox ppa. I wouldn't be surprised if it stops getting updates eventually.
[01:46] <jhutchins> Pretty sure it's in Mozilla's interest to make sure certified .deb packages are available.
[01:46] <jhutchins> Of course, Canonical could require the Firefox Snap, even for servers.
[01:48] <sarnold> jhutchins: I keep hearing that mozilla wanted to control the packaging, and mozilla didn't want to deal with seven differnt versions of rust, and mozilla didn't want to deal with backporting rust to seven different releases, so mozilla wanted the snap to have a single package
[02:02] <jhutchins> Also possible.
[02:03] <jhutchins> It seems like I've seen most snap packaging happening downstream of projects though, more on the distribution level.
[02:04] <leftyfb> linsux: you asked the same question almost a year ago and again last month.
[03:50] <biapy> hi
[03:51] <biapy> does anyone know how to debug osd-window ? it popup at the bottom of my screen with a crossed circle icon, and nothing shows in logs.
[05:35] <xiaoai> Gtk-Message: 23:30:07.361: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[05:35] <xiaoai> when starting firefox on Ubuntu 2204
[05:37] <enigma9o7[m]> Sounds Australian.  I wouldn't trust it.
[05:37] <r2t2> lol enigma9o7[m]
[06:01] <Khepra> What's the difference between home and personal-files  snap connections? I've read about the items in snap developers documentation, but I still don't get it. for example, if I disable both for the firefox snap, it can't install addons or save files, and I'd assume it'd do so inside ~/snap/.... somewhere
[07:05] <pagios> good morning, i would like to add users on a linux box and provide only access to certain commands ( like ftp, top, nload, etc) What is the best way to do this? should i install any restricted  shell or better to do it using sudoers ?
[07:30] <iomari891> greetings, My terminal suddenly restarts after a few minutes now as if I just started it. I just suddenly get a new login prompt. I have checked my dmesg logs and I don't see what is causing it. Any ideas where tostart?
[07:31] <iomari891> not rebooting, just restarting.
[07:32] <SteelRose> iomari891: do you mean your terminal in a graphical environment or your terminal as in the console?
[07:34] <SteelRose> iomari891: are you 100% that you are not using the keyboard shortcuts unwillingly to open a new terminal (assuming that you are using X11) and it opens on top of the old one?
[07:36] <iomari891> SteelRose: No. FOr instance, I could be editing a file in vim and suddenly the terminal (quake in this case) will restart as if I just logged in.
[07:36] <iomari891> The problem is no quake because the same thing happens in any terminal.
[07:37] <SteelRose> iomari891: please, use a proper terminal... the quake terminal is a toy :-)  YMMV
[07:37] <iomari891> SteelRose: like I said. It happens in any terminal I use.
[07:37] <SteelRose> iomari891: is this a new system?
[07:37] <iomari891> By the way, I'm not on the server, it's a ssh session.
[07:38] <iomari891> Not new
[07:38] <iomari891> this just started a few days ago.
[07:39] <SteelRose> so, your ssh connection dies and you have to log back in again?
[07:40] <iomari891> No. It doesn't die. It just restarts as If I just connected for the first time.
[07:42] <iomari891> BTW, why is quake a toy?
[07:43] <iomari891> What would you consider a good terminal that drops down?
[07:55] <pagios> when i am running from root chroot /home/user1 /usr/bin/sh   i get /usr/bin/sh no such dir, even though the file exist
[08:14] <SteelRose> iomari891: for me it's a toy... a matter of taste, I guess. I don't like drop-down consoles... I'm too classical for some stuff :-)
[08:15] <SteelRose> iomari891: do you see any error message, either in /var/log/syslog or on screen?
[08:19] <SteelRose> iomari891: if you ssh from your own computer to the server, it might be a firewall in between closing the connections after some idle time, or somethin on the server side...
[08:19] <SteelRose> which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[08:31] <iomari891> SteelRose: the server is 20.04
[08:33] <SteelRose> iomari891: check the sshd config there... we also run servers with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and connections are rock-solid
[08:36] <iomari891> SteelRose: My connections have been rock solid also for over a year. This just started. But I'll check my sshd_config to make sure.
[08:38] <SteelRose> iomari891: any recent updates?
[08:46] <iomari891> the usual sudo apt update/upgrades
[08:47] <SteelRose> check whether sshd was affected
[08:50] <blahdeblah> Hi.  Anyone know what the correct URL to initiate an HTTP(S) install is under 22.04?
[08:50] <blahdeblah> I previously used <MIRROR>/ubuntu/dists/<DIST>/main/installer-amd64/ as an HTTP source for libvirt installs, but that tree is empty now - is there a replacement?
[09:10] <mefju> morning
[09:11] <luna> mew
[09:11] <iomari891> SteelRose: too earl to tell yet but I think the problem is autossh. Im using the default ssh client and the session has not restarted yet. I'll watch it for another 10 or 15 inutes to confirm. IF so, I don't know why autossh would suddenly start misbehaving after over a year..
[12:02] <gomez> hi anybody that can help on rsyslog config question?
[12:03] <gomez> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/757a6ed34bd73ae6db9bb14ff232dcda/pasted.txt
[12:04] <gomez> above is example log message i receive, i want to send message to seperate file based on the value of column 53
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:08] <gomez> maybe i can do this using a template and property field.number
[12:08] <gomez> if anybody can point me in good direction or provide good example
[12:26] <Ntemis> i cant update to 22.04 any help?
[12:26] <Ntemis> am on 20.04 and system wants to take me to 21.10 so i declined
[12:27] <gordonjcp> Ntemis: I don't think you can go from 20.04 to 22.04 in one go
[12:29] <Maik> gordonjcp: you can do LTS to LTS upgrades in one go
[12:30] <Maik> !ltsupgrade | Ntemis
[12:31] <sophie> Prompt=lts needs to be set in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades   then run sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[12:31] <Ntemis> sudo do-release-upgrade -d takes me to impish
[12:32] <sophie> check your release-upgrades file. make sure Prompt=lts is set instead of Prompt=normal
[12:32] <Maik> Ntemis: set the upgrade to LTS only in Sodtware & Updates
[12:33] <Maik> it's under the Updates tab
[12:33] <Ntemis> done
[12:33] <gordonjcp> Maik: oh, okay, I've never got it to work
[12:33] <Ntemis> switched to jammy now
[12:42] <Ntemis> Tere is no development version of an LTS available
[12:42] <Ntemis> Thereis no development version of an LTS available
[12:42] <Ntemis> now?
[12:45] <Jeremy31> maybe drop the -d
[12:50] <iveahugeship> Hi there. Can someone help me? I create image ubuntu-server22.04 with packer using curtin. So, autoinstall is passed but after that VM just reboots. Are there ways to poweroff ubuntu after autoinstall?
[12:52] <Maik> Jeremy31: that doesn't work as of yet
[12:53] <Maik> at least not when i upgraded
[12:53] <iveahugeship> Oh. Do u know maybe is it planned?
[12:53] <ogra> by august, as usual
[12:54] <Maik> !ltsupgrade | iveahugeship
[12:54] <ogra> (LTSes only enable upgrades without -d by the first point release, since they exist ...)
[12:55] <ioria> iveahugeship, power_state mode: poweroff  is not working ?
[12:57] <iveahugeship> it works but affects installed system :c
[13:01] <iveahugeship> Okay, it have to make a wrapper around packer to shutdown vm correctly. Thx a lot for help guys!
[13:14] <Guest76> how would i go about running an x11 application on a remote system with ssh, so that the gui for it appears on the remote system (not my system, not not x11 forwarding)?
[13:15] <leftyfb> Guest76: X forwarding is the only way
[13:17] <Guest76> how would i set it up with x forwarding?
[13:18] <leftyfb> Guest76: https://www.answertopia.com/ubuntu/displaying-ubuntu-applications-remotely-x11-forwarding/
[13:25] <hans_> what is the last LTS ubuntu with 32bit support? 18.04? 20.04?
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> 18.04 hans_
[13:25] <hans_> thanks
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> hans_: see also !esm to see how long you can still extend it
[13:27] <hans_> !esm
[13:29] <iveahugeship> Update to autoinstall discussion. I decided the problem with shutdown using late-command with 'shutdown' :)
[14:04] <nbusrone> hi anyone know how test which samba version ?  plug in a usb on router and access the file using samba but i can seem to check which samba version my router is using . Try 'smbstatus' show nothing connected
[14:04] <leftyfb> nbusrone: apt-cache policy samba
[14:09] <leftyfb> nbusrone: if you're asking about what version samba your router is running, and the router isn't running ubuntu, I don't know if there is a way. But it's also not ubuntu
[14:12] <nbusrone> but when i connected to the router ubuntu should be able to check which version of samba protocal
[14:13] <nbusrone> maybe any log for samba ?
[14:22] <leftyfb> nbusrone: smbstatus is mainly meant to check the status of the samba server it's running on. It's not installed with the clients
[14:23] <leftyfb> nbusrone: you can use nmap --script smb-protocols <ip address> # to tell you the advertised supported smb protocols
[14:27] <zqf> 51545
[14:27] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[14:28] <Sven_vB> in focal, how can I chmod g+w only files that are writable for the owner? i.e., can I chmod do it or do I need sth. like find -exec?
[14:29] <leftyfb> you need find and/or a script
[14:30] <Sven_vB> thanks
[14:30] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: I do not suggest doing that in any system directories
[14:30] <Sven_vB> yeah that would seem odd
[14:31] <Sven_vB> but a good reminder that in my find criteria I should also check groub
[14:31] <Sven_vB> *group
[14:37] <anonymous_> Good afternoon All, I hope everyone's doing great. Quick question: I successfully installed ubuntu on a USB stick and it connects to wifi network from Laptop 1 no issue. When I boot it from Laptop 2, it remembers the wifi password, but it doesn't connect to the router. After some investigation, I have realized two different MAC addresses are connecting to the router, so this causes the issue. I was wondering if
[14:37] <anonymous_> you had any advice on how to flexibly use the same USB Ubuntu Sticker on multiple Laptops, without having Wifi issure related to MAC address. Thanks
[14:41] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: You could try disabling the predictable network interface naming
[14:45] <Sven_vB> another method would be to use a pluggable wifi antenna, i.e. via USB, to carry over the hardware ID
[14:49] <oerheks> why would mac address prevent connecting? Seems like a router issue more likely, mac filter?
[14:50] <Jeremy31> Ubuntu Network Manager can lock the connection to one interface
[14:51] <oerheks> Jeremy31, but 2 laptops?
[14:51] <anonymous_> Hi Jeremy31, did i miss something? my connection dropped
[14:51] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: You could try disabling the predictable network interface naming
[14:52] <Jeremy31> oerheks: I have used a lot of different wifi cards on this laptop
[14:52] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, could you lead me how to do? I am not new to linux, but not even that experienced
[14:53] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: Might be an easier way
[14:53] <oerheks> and different 2 mac adresses on 2 latops, i don' t get this..
[14:54] <Sven_vB> anonymous_, another method would be to use a pluggable wifi antenna, i.e. via USB, to carry the network hardware ID together with the USB memory stick.
[14:54] <oerheks> anonymous_, why would a different mac adress not work? is your internet limited to 1 device?
[14:55] <Jeremy31> Network Manager doesn't really care about the MAC address just the interface name
[14:55] <Sven_vB> well, you can make NM care. but by default it doesn't.
[14:55] <oerheks> again, sounds like a router issue to me
[14:56] <Sven_vB> yeah might be a MAC spoofing protection or sth.
[14:56] <anonymous_> Sven_vB, could be an option, but I just bought a small USB device to use as personal OS on my company laptop. I would prefer not to use more devices when I travel, but thanks for the idea
[14:56] <Sven_vB> companies live to have woird network device policies
[14:56] <Sven_vB> *love to
[14:56] <anonymous_> oerheks, I cant really play with the router since it is the provider one. I was thinking that could be the issue, but I cant play with anything there
[14:57] <Sven_vB> sorry for my bad typing
[14:59] <Sven_vB> anonymous_, I like to always have my own router between my devices and the provider's upling device. In my case for trust reasons, but I guess if your router acts up, that's one more reason to have your own.
[15:00] <Sven_vB> would be good to know what exactly the "Wifi issure related to MAC address" though, to determine which device is the problem.
[15:00] <anonymous_> I tried a good VPN router lately, but there will be a newer version soon, but im with you in having something in the middle
[15:01] <jokerface> Please join to my new channel #stockmarkets
[15:01] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: If you look at the files in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections you will have to use sudo to look/edit them but if they have the line interface-name= it will lock it to one wifi device name
[15:03] <oerheks> so, you want to use a VPN, that might be bound to 1 mac adrsss?
[15:03] <oerheks> Any more information we might not have yet?
[15:03] <slimjimflim> hi, when i run `sudo apt-get upgrade` i get ...'E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[15:03] <slimjimflim> '
[15:03] <slimjimflim> can anyone help?
[15:04] <Jeremy31> slimjimflim: sudo apt autoclean
[15:04] <oerheks> sudo apt autoremove / sudo apt autoclean
[15:04] <anonymous_> no oerheks, no VPN at the moment. I am just trying to connect to the same wifi router from a USB stick, but from a different laptop
[15:04] <slimjimflim> Jeremy31: fail
[15:05] <slimjimflim> autoremove...340 mb will be freed....
[15:05] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, I have opened the file, there is interface-name=wlp2s0
[15:05] <slimjimflim> more fail tho
[15:07] <slimjimflim> from `df -h` ... user0@user0-computer:~$ /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root  115G  111G     0 100% /
[15:07] <slimjimflim> cant `apt-upgrade`
[15:08] <slimjimflim> should i `rm` some big video files from elsewhere on the disk perhaps?
[15:08] <oerheks> slimjimflim, looks like your filesystem is read -only
[15:08] <slimjimflim> no
[15:08] <slimjimflim> also, only 26gb in my main dir where i keep vids
[15:09] <slimjimflim> that can't be the issue
[15:09] <oerheks> 4G should be enough, but that 100%...
[15:09] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: delete that line, then save
[15:09] <slimjimflim> yea, this looks like the issue:
[15:09] <slimjimflim> /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root  115G  111G     0 100% /
[15:09] <slimjimflim> 100% used
[15:09] <blami> oerheks: probably 4G root reserve
[15:10] <genii> slimjimflim: You might want to run autoremove/autoclean if there's a crapton of old kernels in /boot
[15:11] <slimjimflim> genii: yea i agree. i just did that tho
[15:12] <slimjimflim> 0 upgraded 0 newly installed
[15:12] <slimjimflim> nothing happening with autoclean either
[15:12] <slimjimflim> this is weird
[15:13] <blami> is there anything in /var/cache/apt/archives?
[15:14] <slimjimflim> https://pastebin.com/NqwC7ZsH
[15:14] <slimjimflim> yes
[15:14] <blami> apt is usually pretty much defunct if you hit 100% on rootfs as it cannot write to its own files
[15:14] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: you're not going to accumulate gb worth of apt packages that need to be removed or cached. You need to find out where all your space is being taken up and delete some stuff
[15:14] <slimjimflim> blami:
[15:14] <slimjimflim> $ df -h /var/cache/apt/archives/
[15:14] <slimjimflim> Filesystem                 Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:14] <slimjimflim> /dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root  115G  111G     0 100% /
[15:14] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: if you already have it installed, ncdu will tell you where the space is being taken up
[15:14] <genii> du
[15:15] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, it didn't work. I have also deleted the file from /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections with my wifi name, but still it doesnt work. If I open the list of available wifi, I can interact with all, but I cant interact with my home wifi. I cant change password, forget the network, nothing. But if I plug the usb and i boot from the first laptop where i first connected to the wifi, it works flawlesssly
[15:15] <blami> du -h /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:15] <slimjimflim> $ du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:15] <slimjimflim> du: cannot read directory '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial': Permission denied
[15:15] <slimjimflim> 52K	/var/cache/apt/archives
[15:15] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: you just needed to delete that one line not the entire file
[15:15] <leftyfb> blami: I can guarantee you there aren't 10+gb of cached packages
[15:15] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: sudo ncdu /
[15:15] <slimjimflim> $ sudo du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:15] <slimjimflim> 52K	/var/cache/apt/archives
[15:15] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, I have tried both, deleting the line didnt work
[15:15] <blami> yeah probably not but autoclean probably does not work because it is empty already
[15:16] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: Ubuntu 22.04
[15:16] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: we can stop troubleshooting apt caches or anything wrong wiht apt. You are out of disk space. Find out where it's being used up
[15:16] <slimjimflim> i don't have ncdu and i don't have enough free space to install a new package
[15:16] <slimjimflim> leftyfb: ur probly right. ok
[15:16] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: sudo du -sh /var/log ~/|grep G
[15:16] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, yep 22.04
[15:17] <slimjimflim> $ sudo du -sh /var/log ~|grep G
[15:17] <slimjimflim> 16G	/var/log
[15:17] <slimjimflim> ho83G	/home/<my username goes here>
[15:18] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: please use pastebin for multiple lines
[15:18] <slimjimflim> k
[15:18] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: ok, home is a great place to look, but also, look at the size of /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog
[15:18] <blami> du -hs /var/log/journal/
[15:18] <leftyfb> journal will self-regulate
[15:18] <blami> systemd journal can grow a lot too
[15:19] <slimjimflim> kern.log is 43k
[15:19] <blami> aah right, there's vacuum time
[15:19] <slimjimflim> syslog is 11g
[15:19] <leftyfb> that's a good place to start
[15:19] <blami> wow
[15:19] <slimjimflim> yea 11g is insane. what's the best way to purge syslog?
[15:20] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: echo "" | sudo tee /var/log/syslog    # mind you, there's no recovering this syslog after doing this
[15:20] <slimjimflim> leftyfb: that's kinda scary
[15:20] <slimjimflim> idk
[15:20] <leftyfb> not really
[15:20] <slimjimflim> i want at least a few weeks of syslogs tho
[15:20] <leftyfb> if there's active problems showing up in syslog, they will still get logged there going forward
[15:21] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: you can also start looking in your home directory and start deleting things
[15:21] <slimjimflim> no i wanna kill syslog mostly. home dir stuff matters more
[15:21] <leftyfb> regardless, you should come back to the syslog at some point and get it to a manageable size
[15:21] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: once you clean up space, you should reboot
[15:22] <slimjimflim> like 1G max
[15:22] <slimjimflim> yes
[15:22] <slimjimflim> ok i'll search engine cleaning syslog. i think i can take it from here thanks guys. i'll bbl if this doesn't work :D
[15:22] <leftyfb> also, you work on keeping your drive under 90% usage, especially with SSD
[15:22] <slimjimflim> yea
[15:22] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: I already showed you how to purge your syslog
[15:23] <slimjimflim> oh, yea but like i said i only wanny purge like 90% of it
[15:23] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: I just tried 3 different wifi adapters on 22.04 after removing the interface line from the file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[15:23] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: doing that is non-trivial and unlikely to buy you much
[15:23] <ogra> well, you should prehaps take a look at it first ... syslog does notmally not grow into the gigabyte sizes ... logrotate should compressit away regulary
[15:24] <slimjimflim> stackoverflow says the answer is logrotate
[15:24] <ogra> if it grows that much before being log-rotated, there is likely something spamming it
[15:24] <slimjimflim> logotate is the shit
[15:24] <ogra> just removing it wont protect you from it growing again
[15:24] <slimjimflim> right
[15:25]  * slimjimflim reads stackoverflow
[15:25] <ogra> so take a look at the ... say last 1000 lines ... to see if there is some repeated message that is written in a loop or so
[15:25] <ogra> tail -1000 /var/log/syslog | less
[15:26] <slimjimflim> ftr: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35638219/ubuntu-large-syslog-and-kern-log-files
[15:26] <slimjimflim> i'm gonna try this i think
[15:26] <ogra> you should not need to do anything to the logging setup ... it is usually coming with sane defaults for everything
[15:27] <ogra> rather find what spams your log too much
[15:27] <slimjimflim> perhaps
[15:31] <anonymous__> Jeremy31, dont know what to say, it doesn't work in my case. If I click on the home wifi i want to connect, nothing happens, no password request, no attempting to connecting. But if i click on other networks it asks for passwords
[15:31] <slimjimflim> ok so i just did `sudo su` and then `> /var/log/syslog`
[15:31] <slimjimflim> now syslog is 96M. perfect. lets see if i can update/upgrade now
[15:32] <ogra> it is already 93M again ?
[15:32] <slimjimflim> success
[15:32] <slimjimflim> yea
[15:32] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: reboot first
[15:32] <ogra> you should *definitely* research what is causing that
[15:32] <slimjimflim> meh
[15:32] <ogra> having more than a few MB per day points to asme very serious issues
[15:32] <ogra> *some
[15:32] <slimjimflim> true but i don't care enough rn
[15:33] <slimjimflim> this box has been fine for over a year. maybe i'll have to deal with this issue again in another year
[15:33] <ogra> well, if it is 96M withn a few minutes, the disk wont survive the weekend
[15:33] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: you cared enough to ask for help after it caused you to run out of space
[15:33] <slimjimflim> ogra: well it's working for now. if that happens that soon i'll care more
[15:34] <leftyfb> hopefully you don't run any critical infrastructure of any kind
[15:34] <slimjimflim> lol no
[15:34] <ogra> yeah, i too hope this isnt some production system
[15:34] <slimjimflim> no just a workstation
[15:35] <Jeremy31> anonymous__: the predictable interface naming can be disabled in terminal with>  sudo touch /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
[15:35] <slimjimflim> definitely taking longer than normal to `apt upgrade`
[15:36] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: did you reboot?
[15:36] <ogra> well, your syslog seems to be busy being hammered with messages
[15:36] <slimjimflim> not yet
[15:36] <slimjimflim> i will when the upgrade's done
[15:36] <leftyfb> no, reboot now
[15:36] <slimjimflim> no
[15:36] <ogra> well ... was there a reason you asked for help ?
[15:36] <ogra> (given you refuse all helpful solutions offered)
[15:37] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: please don't ask for help if you aren't going to listen
[15:37] <slimjimflim> you guys did help. i just want to let the upgrade finish before i reboot
[15:37] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: there are potentially systems that were trying to write to disk that couldn't and are locked up or worse, spamming your logs still because they got into a broken state
[15:37] <ogra> though i suspect the upgrade will fail and leave you with a messed up package system anyway ... if the 96MB rate above was true
[15:37] <leftyfb> slimjimflim: your system is currently in a broken state
[15:37] <slimjimflim> i'm not a n00b. i'm not gonna hard reboot in the middle of an upgrade
[15:38] <slimjimflim> not getting any errors from the upgrade
[15:38] <ogra> nobody said you should hard reboot
[15:38] <slimjimflim> ok
[15:38] <ogra> ctrl-c works fine with apt
[15:38] <slimjimflim> i'm not ctrl-cing either
[15:38] <slimjimflim> i'm not doing anything until the upgrade is done or i get an error
[15:39] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, thanks a lot, the last command worked. I will try now to boot from Laptop 1 and see if it works. Thanks again
[15:41] <slimjimflim> so yea `sudo apt-get upgrade` worked
[15:41] <slimjimflim> rebooting or ctrl-c in the middle of an upgrade would have been DUMB
[15:42] <leftyfb> false
[15:43] <slimjimflim> NOW i'm gonna rerun update and upgrade again and make sure ther's no errors and then reboot and rerun em again probly to be double sure. diskspace looks decent. 2.8G left but that's just bc too many videos. i think we're done here. thanks.
[15:43] <leftyfb> also, I told you to reboot before running anything else
[15:44] <leftyfb> your syslog was 11G, you purged it and now you have 2.8G left? Math doesn't check out
[15:44] <slimjimflim> yea idk
[15:44] <slimjimflim> it did just install more stuff...
[15:44] <leftyfb> sounds like you don't care to actually fix anything properly or understand what's actually wrong
[15:44] <slimjimflim> 'all packages are up to date'
[15:45] <slimjimflim> '0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:45] <slimjimflim> '
[15:45] <slimjimflim> that's what i wanted. NOW i'm gonna reboot. all should be well. thanks again
[15:45] <leftyfb> all is not well
[15:45] <slimjimflim> good enough
[15:45] <leftyfb> false
[15:46] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, it worked. is it fixed for good or shall I do the same procedure everytime I connect to a new wifi network?
[15:46]  * ogra shrugs in face of the ignorance ...
[15:47] <Jeremy31> anonymous_: It should work unless you want to use a USB wifi on something with an internal card as the second device will get named wlan1
[15:56] <EriC^> .0.
[15:56] <EriC^> 3.
[15:56] <EriC^> 3..0..0.3
[15:56] <EriC^> ..
[15:56] <EriC^> +
[15:56] <EriC^> sorry
[16:17] <jelly> hi!  My laptop with Ubuntu 18.04 LTS shuts down when the battery reaches critical level.  How do I make it hibernate instead?
[16:19] <jelly> initiating hibernation manually with eg. "systemctl hibernate" works.  I've added and configured a LVM LV swap with enough space.
[16:19] <anonymous_> Jeremy31, ok I tried multiple wifi and it worked flawlessly. Thank you very much
[16:19] <oerheks> jelly disable suspend and sleep, hints; https://www.tecmint.com/disable-suspend-and-hibernation-in-linux/
[16:20] <oerheks> $ sudo systemctl mask sleep.target suspend.target h̶i̶b̶e̶r̶n̶a̶t̶e̶.̶t̶a̶r̶g̶e̶t̶ hybrid-sleep.target
[16:21] <anonymous_> I might have another question before I deep dive in google. I have this USB stick with Ubuntu, and I boot it every time from bios by pressing the relevant key. The USB will always run on machines with Windows installed, so I was wondering if there was a way to install/configure GRUB so that I can set the laptop to boot from usb, and the GRUB will let me choose between Ubuntu or Windows no matter the machine I am
[16:21] <anonymous_> booting from
[16:22] <jelly> oerheks, and that is going to help making hibernation the defualt action instead of shutdown on battery critically low?  The machine does not do either sleep or suspend in this sitaution.
[16:23] <jelly> seems unintuitive but I'll try that.
[16:23] <oerheks> yes, masking suspend and sleep made it work, write to disk and shutdown
[16:24] <jelly> that will probably also break suspend on close lid?
[16:25] <oerheks> maybe, at the end of the article;  sudo vim /etc/systemd/logind.conf ::: HandleLidSwitch=ignore HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore
[16:25] <oerheks> but id do not use that
[16:58] <nbusrone> leftyfb : thanks , NT LM 0.12 (SMBv1) [dangerous, but default] . How dangerous will it be plugin usb pendrive into the router ? just for home usage for video sharing ?
[16:59] <enigma9o7[m]> I fear it could kill you.
[16:59] <leftyfb> nbusrone: that might be a better question for #security
[17:00] <nbusrone> leftyfb : ok , thanks again
[17:11] <oerheks> I found a bug in AisleRiot Solitair; under wayland, i have to click twice to close the ended game.
[18:36] <admin8086> hi
[20:21] <scortal> scortal here
[20:49] <lmat> scortal: Duly acknowledged.
[20:51] <scortal> about ?
[20:51] <scortal> simple stating factks
[20:59] <Maik> scortal: do you have any ubuntu related support questions that we might help you with?
[21:21] <lsd|2> https://termbin.com/xe65
[21:27] <webchat45> Hello
[21:28] <tomreyn> lsd|2: if you have an ubuntu support question, feel free to bring it up.
[21:29] <webchat45> I am running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS. If I create a flash drive with 22.04 LTS
[21:29] <webchat45> and boot from it
[21:29] <webchat45> Will I be able to upgrade this way ?
[21:30] <lsd|2> webchat45: if you can preserve /home somehow as different partition yes
[21:30] <lsd|2> but propably you wont since that tool is retarded
[21:30] <genii> webchat45: The usual way is instead to use do-release-upgrade
[21:31] <webchat45> In ubuntu when I go to software and updates and select notify me only for long term support versions and click check for updates it doesnt find the latest 22.04 LTS version and ask me to upgrade
[21:32] <webchat45> but when i select notify me for any version, then it lets me upgrade to 21.something
[21:32] <webchat45> but not 22.04 LTS
[21:32] <tomreyn> !ltsupgrade | webchat45
[21:32] <genii> webchat45: LTS->LTS update is not offered until the newest LTS reaches first point release ( like in this case 22.04.1 )
[21:33] <webchat45> another thing
[21:33] <webchat45> when I try to upgrade to 21.something it tells me EFI partition not mounter. when I go to disks and just click mount on it it tells me it is not mounted in the correct mount point
[21:34] <webchat45> i am scared to change it because if my machine fails to boot ubunti after that I am screwed
[21:35] <jhutchins> webchat45: Sounds like now would be a good time to make a boot image/disc/usb.
[21:35] <tomreyn> the EFI file system is usually mounted automatically, it's unclear why this would not be the case on yours. how did you install this system?
[21:35] <webchat45> Is this a backup of my boot partition ?
[21:36] <webchat45> tomreyn: I installed if from a USB flash drive
[21:36] <webchat45> GUI loaded and clicked install
[21:38] <tomreyn> i assume the line describing your /boot/efi file system mount in /etc/fstab must be incorrect then.
[21:38] <EriC^> webchat45: type '(lsblk -f; cat /etc/fstab) | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:40] <webchat45> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/2e0v
[21:41] <tomreyn> a file system with UUID 1475-E1E0 does not seem to exist
[21:42] <webchat45> ok so what do we do ?
[21:42] <tomreyn> sdb1 or nvme1n1p2 or nvme1n1p4 are possible candidates for your ESP
[21:42] <EriC^^> webchat45: are you dual booting?
[21:42] <webchat45> yup
[21:42] <tomreyn> nvme1n1p1 also exists, but no file system was detected
[21:43] <tomreyn> "# /boot/efi was on /dev/nvme0n1p1 during installation"
[21:43] <EriC^^> ah good catch tomreyn
[21:43] <tomreyn> someone changed something about the file system on nvme0n1p1 since
[21:44] <tomreyn> webchat45: do you happen to know anything about this?
[21:44] <webchat45> '/dev/nvme1n1p6 has a star on it in Disks
[21:44] <webchat45> I have like 4 disks connected to my mainboard
[21:44] <tomreyn> i have two stars, eric has two ^, and still we aren't special :(
[21:45] <EriC^^> xD
[21:45] <webchat45> and the ubuntu was installed on a 265gb nVME, I cloned the contents of it to a 1tb nVME so I dont have to reinstall ubuntu windows and all my vms
[21:45] <EriC^^> webchat45: can you type 'sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999' to confirm p1 size and stuff
[21:46] <webchat45> you are good ppl
[21:46] <webchat45> sudo parted or gparted
[21:46] <webchat45> ?
[21:46] <EriC^^> parted
[21:46] <webchat45> ok
[21:47] <EriC^^> webchat45: also if you dont mind, type 'ls /sys/firmware/efi'and confirm if it shows dir or says it doesnt exist,  to understand the situation better
[21:47] <webchat45> nothing hapens
[21:48] <EriC^^> hmm it should give a link, try again maybe using 'sudo parted -ls' instead
[21:48] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/t7ks
[21:48] <webchat45> worked
[21:49] <webchat45> user@Server:~$ ls /sys/firmware/efi
[21:49] <webchat45> config_table  esrt              fw_vendor  runtime-map  vars
[21:49] <webchat45> efivars       fw_platform_size  runtime    systab
[21:51] <EriC^^> webchat45: ok, type 'sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:51] <tomreyn> 3 ESPs? that's more than the average user.
[21:52] <webchat45> what is an ESP ?
[21:52] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/fvwg
[21:52] <tomreyn> efi system partition
[21:52] <webchat45> oh ok
[21:53] <EriC^^> webchat45: and finally, 'sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999'
[21:54] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/zagr
[21:54] <tomreyn> so /dev/nvme1n1p2 apparently
[21:55] <tomreyn> UUID=6F8C-6F2D
[21:56] <webchat45> the top one is my root partition(I think)
[21:56] <webchat45> and the bottom one is the EFI
[21:56] <tomreyn> so edit /etc/fstab with sudo, and replace UUID=1475-E1E0 by UUID=6F8C-6F2D
[21:56] <tomreyn> unless EriC^^ disagrees?
[21:56] <webchat45> so replace UUID=1475-E1E0 WITH UUID=6F8C-6F2D ?
[21:56] <EriC^^> yes
[21:58] <webchat45> shall I give it a go, EriC^^ ?
[21:58] <EriC^^> webchat45: did you edit and save?
[21:58] <webchat45> i am about to
[21:58] <EriC^^> oh ok, yes by all means
[21:58] <webchat45> altight
[21:58] <webchat45> alright
[22:02] <webchat45> ok
[22:02] <webchat45> done
[22:03] <webchat45> i edited and saved it with gedit
[22:03] <EriC^^> ok, try 'sudo mount /boot/efi'
[22:03] <webchat45> (gedit:20260): Tepl-WARNING **: 01:02:06.978: GVfs metadata is not supported. Fallback to TeplMetadataManager. Either GVfs is not correctly installed or GVfs metadata are not supported on this platform. In the latter case, you should configure Tepl with --disable-gvfs-metadata.
[22:03] <webchat45> got this message
[22:03] <webchat45> did I mess up ?
[22:03] <tomreyn> now you did
[22:04]  * EriC^^ clueless what just happened
[22:04] <webchat45> (gedit:20260): Tepl-WARNING **: 01:02:06.978: GVfs metadata is not supported. Fallback to TeplMetadataManager. Either GVfs is not correctly installed or GVfs metadata are not supported on this platform. In the latter case, you should configure Tepl with --disable-gvfs-metadata.
[22:04] <webchat45> got this message
[22:04] <webchat45> did I mess something up ?
[22:04] <EriC^^> should be good, did you use 'sudo gedit' ?
[22:04] <tomreyn> webchat45: don't run "sudo gedit ...", run "gedit admin://..."
[22:04] <EriC^^> ^
[22:05] <webchat45> ok I will use nano from now on
[22:05] <webchat45> gedit was easyer
[22:05] <tomreyn> no one said you should not use gedit
[22:05] <EriC^^> for gui programs i usually do 'sudo -H gedit etc'
[22:06] <webchat45> I kept pasting in the wrong place then erased some stuff and in the end couldnt remember if there were 2 spaaces after what I pasted or one
[22:06] <AGoonyGooGoo> Hey all, as someone whos only used windows their entire life, and has done some little admin in windows i'm trying to switch to ubuntu for learning and fun.  Is the difference between Ubuntu and Ubuntu server just that server is pure CLI?
[22:06] <webchat45> ok so If i am safe we can continue
[22:06] <EriC^^> webchat45: try 'sudo mount /boot/efi'
[22:07] <webchat45> done
[22:07] <EriC^^> also type 'cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999' just to be sure
[22:07] <EriC^^> of the other entries
[22:07] <tomreyn> AGoonyGooGoo: not only that, there are some different packages installed by default, too, and thus networking is managed differently. but that's mostly it.
[22:07] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/p644y
[22:08] <webchat45> allgood ?
[22:09] <webchat45> in disks now the efi partition has a star but it shows that it is not mounted
[22:09] <webchat45> in disks now the efi partition now has a star but it shows that it is not mounted
[22:10] <EriC^^> webchat45: it should be if sudo mount /boot/efi returned no error
[22:10] <EriC^^> webchat45: try 'df -h /boot/efi'
[22:10] <EriC^^> does it say mountpoint /boot/efi or / ?
[22:11] <webchat45> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:11] <tomreyn> file editing seems to have succeeded according to    cd /tmp; curl -s https://termbin.com/2e0v | tail -n16 > 1; curl -s https://termbin.com/p644y > 2; diff 1 2
[22:11] <webchat45> "Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:11] <webchat45> "/dev/nvme1n1p6  652G  409G  211G  67% /
[22:11] <AGoonyGooGoo> tomreyn as someone who barely uses linux, do you think its ok to just start off with server to learn in my homelab?
[22:12] <EriC^^> webchat45: odd, try 'sudo mount /boot/efi' again
[22:12] <webchat45> user@Server:/etc$ sudo mount /boot/efi
[22:12] <webchat45> user@Server:/etc$
[22:12] <webchat45> this is what hapens when I type it
[22:12] <EriC^^> then 'df -h /boot/efi'
[22:13] <webchat45> its still not mounted
[22:13] <EriC^^> very odd
[22:13] <tomreyn> AGoonyGooGoo: the best approach is always to backup and whole-heartedly switch to a new OS as your main driver, and see if you can handle it.
[22:13] <webchat45> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:13] <webchat45> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:13] <webchat45> "/dev/nvme1n1p6  652G  409G  211G  67% /
[22:13] <tomreyn> AGoonyGooGoo: and whether it can handle you ;)
[22:14] <EriC^^> webchat45: try for a sec, sudo mount /dev/nvme1n1p1 /boot/efi
[22:14] <EriC^^> err
[22:14] <EriC^^> webchat45: try for a sec, sudo mount /dev/nvme1n1p2 /boot/efi
[22:15] <webchat45> user@Server:/etc$ sudo mount /dev/nvme1n1p2 /boot/efi
[22:15] <webchat45> user@Server:/etc$
[22:15] <EriC^^> what's the output on df -h /boot/efi now?
[22:15] <webchat45> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:15] <webchat45> '/dev/nvme1n1p6  652G  409G  211G  67% /
[22:15] <webchat45> same
[22:17] <tomreyn> webchat45: are you running ubuntu only, or is another operating system running on this computer at the same time, such as in a VM or 'subsystem' or 'container'?
[22:17] <webchat45> not at the moment
[22:17] <webchat45> but usually yes
[22:17] <webchat45> all the time
[22:17] <webchat45> either virtualbox or kvm
[22:17] <tomreyn> what does this output?   sudo file -s /dev/nvme1n1p2
[22:18] <webchat45> '/dev/nvme1n1p2: DOS/MBR boot sector, code offset 0x58+2, OEM-ID "MSDOS5.0", sectors/cluster 2, Media descriptor 0xf8, sectors/track 63, heads 255, hidden sectors 264192, sectors 204800 (volumes > 32 MB), FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 794, serial number 0x6f8c6f2d, unlabeled
[22:19] <tomreyn> hmm well i guess this can be an ESP
[22:20] <EriC^^> webchat45: try 'mount | nc termbin.com 9999' maybe any clues
[22:21] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/gloa
[22:23] <tomreyn> the last two should probably be unmounted and the cache removed
[22:24] <tomreyn> but i don't see why this would happen still
[22:24] <EriC^^> webchat45: also it might help to try 'sudo strace -o /tmp/bla mount /boot/efi; cat /tmp/bla | nc termbin.com 9999'
[22:24] <tomreyn> maybe run a file system check:  sudo fsck.vfat -vn /dev/nvme1n1p2
[22:24] <webchat45> '/dev/sdd1 on /media/user/Elements type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096,uhelper=udisks2)
[22:24] <webchat45> this is a drive plugged in the usb
[22:24] <webchat45> I can just unplug it
[22:24] <webchat45> :D
[22:25] <webchat45> I am dont with it anyway
[22:25] <webchat45> done*
[22:25] <tomreyn> oh thats where the root owned stuff comes from, i see
[22:25] <webchat45> '/dev/fuse on /root/.cache/doc type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0)
[22:25] <webchat45> gvfsd-fuse on /root/.cache/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0)
[22:26] <webchat45> what is this though?
[22:26] <tomreyn> unrelated to the ESP issues
[22:26] <webchat45> ok
[22:26] <webchat45> So what do we do now ?
[22:26] <tomreyn> (but you should not mount file systems as the root user when you don't need to)
[22:27] <tomreyn> you could try the command EriC^^ provided and/ or the one I provided
[22:28] <webchat45> which one ?
 webchat45: also it might help to try 'sudo strace -o /tmp/bla mount /boot/efi; cat /tmp/bla | nc termbin.com 9999'
 maybe run a file system check:  sudo fsck.vfat -vn /dev/nvme1n1p2
[22:29] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/8hsm
[22:30] <webchat45> user@Server:/etc$ sudo fsck.vfat -vn /dev/nvme1n1p2
[22:30] <webchat45> fsck.fat 4.1 (2017-01-24)
[22:30] <webchat45> Checking we can access the last sector of the filesystem
[22:30] <webchat45> Boot sector contents:
[22:30] <webchat45> System ID "MSDOS5.0"
[22:30] <webchat45> Media byte 0xf8 (hard disk)
[22:30] <tomreyn> !paste | webchat45
[22:30] <EriC^^> hmm mount's returning 0 as if it went ok
[22:31] <tomreyn> maybe /proc/mounts differs from /etc/mtab for some reason?
[22:31] <webchat45> '/dev/nvme1n1p2: 217 files, 52737/101590 clusters
[22:31] <webchat45> this was the last line
[22:31] <tomreyn> webchat45: termbin please
[22:32] <EriC^^> if fsck ran i guess it's indeed not mounted :|
[22:33] <webchat45> dont know how to paste to termbin
[22:37] <tomreyn> maybe it's about time to inspect /proc/version*
[22:37] <tomreyn> and dpkg -S $(which mount)
[22:38] <webchat45> ok so do you have any more ideas about my situation ?
[22:38] <Jeremy31> webchat45: to paste to termbin, after the command use | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:39] <webchat45> got it
[22:39] <EriC^^> webchat45: type 'sudo systemctl daemon-reload && sudo mount /boot/efi && df -h /boot/efi'
[22:39] <tomreyn> actually use    &| nc termbin.com 9999
[22:39] <tomreyn> actually use    |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:40] <tomreyn> (and only if your shell is bash)
[22:41] <webchat45> doesnt work with the &
[22:41] <webchat45> works witout it
[22:41] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/xrur
[22:41] <webchat45> oh
[22:42] <EriC^^> any luck webchat45 ?
[22:42] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/zknt
[22:43] <EriC^^> webchat45: give this a shot 'sudo systemctl daemon-reload && sudo mount /boot/efi && df -h /boot/efi'
[22:44] <EriC^^> seems it could have something to do with systemd unmounting straight away or such
[22:44] <tomreyn> or maybe /boot/efi is not a directory?
[22:44] <webchat45> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:44] <webchat45> '/dev/nvme1n1p2  100M   52M   48M  52% /boot/efi
[22:44] <EriC^^> great
[22:44] <tomreyn> good job, EriC^^!
[22:44] <EriC^^> webchat45: type 'sudo grub-install && sudo update-grub'
[22:44] <webchat45> nice
[22:44] <webchat45> its mounterd
[22:45] <webchat45> its mounted
[22:45] <tomreyn> maybe ls first?
[22:46] <tomreyn> sudo ls -lR /boot/efi |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:46] <webchat45> ok done
[22:46] <blahdeblah> Repeat of earlier question: What is the correct URL to initiate an HTTP(S) install under 22.04?  I previously used <MIRROR>/ubuntu/dists/<DIST>/main/installer-amd64/ as a source for libvirt installs, but that tree is empty now - is there a replacement?
[22:46] <webchat45> https://termbin.com/4ayg
[22:47] <sarnold> blahdeblah: heya :) iirc that directory was a byproduct of the debian installer, which isn't built any more
[22:47] <sarnold> blahdeblah: this is the intended replacement https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall
[22:48] <EriC^^> webchat45: seems all good, did you run the grub-install command?
[22:49] <webchat45> yes
[22:50] <EriC^^> cool, you should be good to go
[22:50] <webchat45> I cant paste the output
[22:50] <EriC^^> no worries if no errors etc
[22:50] <webchat45> I will probably get disconnected
[22:50] <EriC^^> webchat45: you should be able to update now, obviously backup your system before if you havent already
[22:51] <tomreyn> blahdeblah: cloud-images could be another option
[22:51] <tomreyn> https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/
[22:52] <webchat45> how sould I backup ?
[22:52] <tomreyn> !backup | webchat45
[22:56] <EriC^^> webchat45: it's up to you if the system isnt that critical to stay up, you could just backup your files/home stuff and maybe list of installed programs and update, worst case scenario you copy them back and install the programs if stuff goes wrong
[22:58] <webchat45> I dont have room to back up my user's files
[22:58] <webchat45> can I just backup root
[22:59] <EriC^^> really you should backup your user files anyways
[22:59] <webchat45> and then if things brake somehow restore just the root files
[22:59] <EriC^^> you're living on the edge like this, time bomb
[22:59] <webchat45> we are talking about 500GB
[23:00] <webchat45> I guess I can find room for that somewhere
[23:01] <EriC^^> trust me the day the hdd suddenly starts spitting input/output errors or some fs corruption happens if you need the files you'll never not have a backup again
[23:02] <webchat45> I guess I can find room somewhere
[23:02] <EriC^^> sounds good
[23:04] <webchat45> ok guys
[23:04] <webchat45> Thanks for your help
[23:04] <webchat45> I really appreciate it
[23:04] <EriC^^> no problem
[23:04] <webchat45> You are good ppl
[23:05] <webchat45> good luck and good health to you!
[23:05] <webchat45> :)
[23:19] <morganu> how do I have transmission or hexchat startup automatically?
[23:19] <EriC^^> morganu: add it to 'startup apps'
[23:20] <tomreyn> (gnome) tweaks -> startup applications
[23:20] <morganu> is that a file of app names?  ie a bat file?
[23:20] <morganu> EriC^^,
[23:20] <morganu> tomreyn, tweaks TC
[23:20] <morganu> tc EriC^^ too
[23:20] <morganu> ty
[23:22] <EriC^^> np


[21:17] <dscassel> Hm. Quiet.
[21:19] <dscassel> If anybody's thinking of hosting a release party, the global event is up on the LoCo directory now: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1598/detail/
[21:28] <willwh_> :o
[21:28] <willwh_> I might try!
[21:28] <willwh_> so busy though :)
[21:28] <willwh_> heh, dscassel - excuse the daddy in me... https://plus.google.com/photos/105689132516376784358/albums/5715853155777750497/5715853247715667314?authkey=CMG116CdwJ3_4gE&banner=pwa
[21:29] <willwh_> recent picture of the nipper - it's a pretty good one :)
[21:31] <dscassel> willwh_: Cuteness on that level may be hazardous. :D
[21:31] <willwh_> ;]


[11:02]  * testd slaps ikt around a bit with a large trout
[11:02]  * testd slaps ChanServ around a bit with a large trout
[15:03] <timp> hello
[15:04] <dpm> for anyone wanting to join the calendar session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c8b6a6feffa1aebd86ed60a045de9dcb1a1023af
[15:07] <dpm> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-1308-design-review-calendar
[15:07] <timp> I saw an app (Things) with a scrolling month-view, which may be nice to consider for calendar. See: http://culturedcode.cachefly.net/things/videos/things-iphone-scrolling-datepicker-20120809/
[15:10] <dpm> thanks timp, let's let the guys start the presentation and we can then discuss this
[15:10] <timp> dpm: sure. I haven't seen the latest designs yet, but when I saw the video that I pasted I liked it.
[15:10] <dpm> :)
[15:16] <timp> I think the spread/pinch is not needed if you can use tabs to switch between the views
[15:18] <timp> QUESTIONS: how do you decide on a background color? Will it be configurable by the user? Why (not)?
[15:20] <timp> green doesn't say "ubuntu!" for me
[15:26] <timp> QUESTION: would to do lists be part of a calendar app, or is it something completely different?
[15:31] <timp> QUESTION: In the month view you kind of have 2 headers under each other (Month> and June). Should the Month> header hide automatically?
[15:34] <timp> I see now that the header does not hide when you scroll down. Is that done on purpose?
[15:36] <timp> ok, sounds good for me. If there are problems implementing that, ping me.
[15:37] <timp> I don't know how the chrome works on android, but I implemented the tabs header in ubuntu touch :)
[15:38] <timp> there is no scrolling down in the month view, but there is in the year/day view
[15:38] <timp> maybe in the year view it makes the most sense to hide the header when scrollin down
[15:42] <dpm> Any more questions on IRC?
[15:45] <timp> Calendar-app is looking good. Keep up the great work :)
[15:48] <dpm> thanks timp, thanks kunal_ :)
[16:01] <dpm> For anyone wanting to join the upcoming Clock design session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/15a4b754fe5395e85719a3399343791ea2fb6741
[16:03] <timp> tick tock tick tock
[16:04] <dpm> :)
[16:06] <dpm> For the notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-appdev-1308-design-review-clock
[16:07] <timp> and... LIVE
[16:08] <dpm> thanks for confirming timp :)
[16:12] <timp> QUESTION: do you think that the bottom edge toolbar should have a different style (color) for different backgrounds? On a dark background, the white toolbar looks a bit out-of-place
[16:13] <timp> FEATURE REQUEST: A single view where you can see multiple clocks for different time zones. That's especially handy if you are working together with people from around the world
[16:14] <timp> or perhaps a world map with current times(+zones) listed
[16:15] <dpm> timp, you can do this already on the clock view, try to add new locations and swipe up. Is this what you are after?
[16:15] <timp> dpm: yep, you are right. I didn't notice it before :)
[16:16] <dpm> cool :)
[16:17] <timp> dpm: great, it works :). Hmm, the current clock says 16:17, and other locations use am/pm notation as opposed to the 24h clock. Why is that?
[16:18] <timp> dpm: how do I change the current location?
[16:22] <dpm> any more questions on IRC?
[16:23] <timp> dpm: I see am/pm in both the lock screen and the indicator. But the indicator says 01:38 PM and the lock screen 4:22 PM at the same time
[16:26] <dpm> thanks everyone, wrapping up early on this one
[18:08] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/dedf46187d2112638830b3633de4ba23eecc08db
[18:08] <dpm> to join the hangout
[18:08] <dpm> in the fishbowl :)
[18:14] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/115563650741463848565/posts/dTF2BceVtHU
[18:25] <dpm> any questions on IRC?


[18:21] <troy_s> thorwil: How are things?
[18:22] <thorwil> troy_s: fine. my rocket landed on the submissions page. and you?
[18:22] <troy_s> thorwil: Not too bad.  Trying to tie up some web design crapps.
[18:23] <thorwil> troy_s: crapps?
[18:24] <troy_s> thorwil: Just some odds and ends.  A little bit of sorting through some of the more 'semantic' rubbish to make things tidier.
[18:25] <troy_s> thorwil: How goes the idea site thing?
[18:26] <thorwil> troy_s: waiting for the results of ken's intervention
[18:28] <troy_s> thorwil: Ugh.
[18:28] <troy_s> thorwil: I would avoid interventions... they are for naught in the grand scheme of things.
[18:28] <troy_s> thorwil: In the end, it comes down to the fundamental issue that the people who are calling and steering 1) have no clue and 2) have no clue.
[18:29] <troy_s> thorwil: And the steering, in the end, is atrocious anyways.  What our lovely little bunker of FOSS love culture fails to realize is that to have any impact in mainstream land of the type say, the Lutz campaign, takes an actual art director with bleeding edge vision.
[18:30] <troy_s> thorwil: Hell -- _any_ degree of art awareness outside of this myopic field would help.
[18:30] <thorwil> troy_s: i have nothing to lose. it's either logos as they are or nothing of my work at all (if they respect my wish)
[18:32] <troy_s> thorwil: Good stance.
[18:33] <thorwil> troy_s: people at the top might tell you that the project is successful the way it's run, so why change? ...
[18:33] <troy_s> thorwil: The hyper-insecure branding is ridiculous anyways.  I have no clue why we insist on putting the bloody Ubuntu logo on everything.  It is damn mooky.
[18:33] <troy_s> thorwil: I believe I have said that on a number of occasions.
[18:33] <troy_s> thorwil: And on that count, one's definition of successful might change.
[18:34] <troy_s> thorwil: One could argue that MS is successful, but their artistry and design leaves a little to be desired.
[18:34] <troy_s> thorwil: And perhaps, in some fashion, all of that is compounding against them at this moment.
[18:34] <thorwil> a little? but see, there are mayn people on the streets who don't see it. or don't care, at least
[18:34] <troy_s> thorwil: Or vice versa, Apple's insistence on a clear vision perhaps has aided them when mainstream users choose a system based on words such as 'simplicity, elegance, etc.'
[18:35] <troy_s> thorwil: Everyone sees it and everyone cares.
[18:35] <troy_s> thorwil: Make no mistake, the average viewer is amazingly astute, even if they cannot vocalize it as such.
[18:35] <troy_s> thorwil: Visual literacy is nothing more than another breed of literacy.  Many people cannot read or write, but they understand people speaking to them.
[18:36] <troy_s> thorwil: Off to launch rockets with my daughter... chat soon.
[18:36] <thorwil> ok
[20:20] <thorwil> andreasn: thanks :)


[04:38] <jose> new charm submitted! \o/
[13:51] <marcoceppi> jose: \o/ yay new charm
[16:32] <lazypower-travel> charms! \o/
[19:52] <brian71> trying to get juju manual bootstrap to work.  edited environments.yaml to add IP of remote server where I have sudo access and can ssh to it but on local machine I do juju switch manual, then juju deploy and it keeps prompting for password???   doesn't accept any password I have on either machine and I am the only acct on both.   Any ideas?  Does Manual bootstrap work?


[01:02] <astraljava> *whoops* session manager doesn't recall workspaces. :-/
[01:07] <astraljava> micahg: Well now it did recall my chosen browser, so no bug report necessary. I have no idea what I've done previously, cause I'm sure I've selected it prior to this. *shrug*
[01:36] <astraljava> Hmm... the desktop machine had no problems whatsoever with the aforementioned CD. Weird.
[12:42] <ochosi> micahg: ping (about gmusicbrowser)
[13:54] <astraljava> Well, there you have it, then. /me ^5's ochosi
[13:57] <ochosi> astraljava: ?
[13:57] <astraljava> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2012-January/029524.html
[13:59] <ochosi> yeah, actually that was pretty clear from the start (at least for me)
[14:00] <astraljava> Sure, but we were the ones who suggested as much in here. :)
[14:09] <micahg> ochosi: what about it?
[14:10] <ochosi> micahg: there were a few bugreports lately that might be interesting for us (one related to mpris2), i talked to squentin today and we fixed feb 1st as release date for the next version
[14:10] <ochosi> micahg: is that early enough to get it in precise?
[14:11] <micahg> ochosi: huh?, I thought we were in sync with Debain
[14:11] <micahg> *Debian
[14:12] <ochosi> yes, but since there wasn't a release since those bugs reported on lp were tackled debian doesn't have the patches (unless it packages directly from git)
[14:17] <micahg> any chance of a release soon?
[14:18] <micahg> alessio would sponsor an update in Debian
[14:18] <ochosi> i talked to squentin today and we fixed feb 1st as release date for the next version
[14:19] <ochosi> that's why i asked whether it's early enough (to get it through debian)
[14:21] <micahg> sounds fine, I'll see about getting it into Debian right after that (I'll might also sync from unstable after a few days since we're close to feature freeze)
[14:22] <ochosi> ok, nice
[14:23] <ochosi> so i'll try to get everything into order until then so that we can drop any modifications from gmb in xubuntu and only ship a default config file
[14:28] <micahg> wfm, Debian seems to take all our fixes
[14:52] <knome> :)
[15:51] <hobgoblin> hello - just thought I'd pop in and say well done - first time in 3 years I've actually had any sort of upgrade work (a bad one once made me leave upgrading alone) - this has worked twice for me on a laptop and a pc - both causing me no issues at all - thanks
[16:37] <cpatrick008> i was wondering if 12.04 would have xfce 4.10 in the final release
[16:39] <micahg> cpatrick008: highly unlikely
[16:39] <cpatrick008> ok thanks
[20:06] <Unit193> hobgoblin was talking about 11.10 > 12.04


 did not survive
 sadly
 so taking this opportunity to try out mxlinux
 until 19.04 is released (the alpha failed install)
[02:29] <guiverc> chrisq88 - what install did you try?  encrypted? no-encryption?  uefi? bios?  whole-disk or custom-partitioning etc.  I'm interested.
 @chrisq88 ^
 no encryption uefi, whole disk
 it installed, booted and I got a black screen with a mouse looked like some unable to assign screen error
 but I don't fully remember
 and now have a nearly working mxlinux in stall
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: ^
[02:43] <guiverc> thanks Eickmeyer :)  reading..
[02:44] <guiverc> thanks chrisq88 .. i had that install fine on my checklist; however our video hardware no doubt differs.
 I'll try it again when xm linux pisses me off or 19.04 comes out official;)
 mx linux
[06:44] <Baklajan> Привет народ!
[18:03] <p0wder> i made a start menu icon for lxde that looks pretty good on lubuntu
[18:03] <p0wder> if anyone is interested: https://github.com/PowderLinux/LXDE-Start-Menu


[15:21] <ChinnoDog> adom: Searching for venues. Know any companies in Manassas that might want to host and get free advertising?
[15:44] <adom-mobile> ChinnoDog: my previous employer is in Manassas, but they don't have a good office space for this (mostly was in data center, no public access). So I got nothing for Manassas. I'd be happy to host at my house in Woodbridge if that works. Large rec room basement, plenty of space and comfy.
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> Too far away. Needs to be here.
[15:46] <adom-mobile> Haha okay. I'll be driving to there, but you can't drive to here... ;) No worries. Sorry I got nothing for location.
[15:52] <ChinnoDog> You can use whatever location you like if your going to host one :-)
[15:53] <ChinnoDog> Woodbridge is a good 40 minutes away though.
[15:53] <ChinnoDog> Especially in rush hour traffic.
[16:01] <adom-mobile> No worries man we'll figure out somewhere to host in Manassas.