[19:36] <burton_> I have found a bug when you install XScreensaver.  It creates a second "Screensaver" option in the system menu.
[19:36] <burton_> I think it should say "XScreensaver".  I think this could be solved with a specific Xubuntu patch on a .desktop file.  How would I get the patch to someone?


[02:26] <westyvw> jack doesnt work in kubuntu 12.10, but does in linux mint latest gnome on the same computer (used live cd's) . anyone else have issues with jack?
[02:26] <westyvw> any links appreciated
[07:05] <nine_> ubuntu server or dibian?!?!?! why? as a server choice please?
[07:07] <Tm_T> nine_: hi, this is not a place for polls (and obvious answer here is Ubuntu anyway...)
[07:08] <Tm_T> !best | nine_
[07:10] <nine_> thanks it was less a poll and me working things out in my had...  just getting in to servers
[07:10] <nine_> head*
[07:20] <gnomefreak> i want to read :(
[08:26] <AciD``> hey
[08:27] <lordievader> Hey AciD``
[08:29] <AciD``> plasma-desktop is eating my 567MB of RAM, and it does so each time I restart it (and only 34MB is shared)
[08:30] <AciD``> for instance, I just restarted it, and the RAM consumption si slowly going up
[08:30] <AciD``> actually, it's already at 500MB
[08:30] <AciD``> 535, and stopped growing
[08:31] <AciD``> is the behavior normal ? it seems a bit much for just plasma-desktop (and I don't use any widgets !)
[08:33] <AciD``> I do have my desktop configured as a slide show, and it uses 2 directories of 535 files (oddly), and 1,1 GB size
[08:33] <AciD``> could that be linked ?
[08:33] <blaxter> after the last upgrade with changes in a lot of kde apps my menus don't have the same look & feel, they look like kde 3.x or something like that :(
[11:09] <ethang> anyone know if they addressed that hige java vulnerability in Open JDK 1.7?
[11:09] <ethang> *huge*
[12:26] <BarkingFish> please, for the love of mike, will someone help me with my machine please?  this thing is running slower than a 100 metres for people who walk backwards.
[12:27] <BarkingFish> i have a rogue process called virtuoso-t, which when i start my machine is using almost 89% of my memory and 60%cpu
[12:27] <BarkingFish> i know it's *meant* to run, but it's not meant to kill my pc in the process
 Hi All, I'm trying to find out how to have my desktop act as a wireless AP. I have googled and read forums and all, but nothing I tried works. If you could spare a few minutes to help that would rock.
[13:43] <ovidiu-florin> hello world, I have a little problem with google chrome. If I open it an leave the computer on over night, in the morning is takes over my computer. The CPU get's stuck at 100% usage and the RAM the same. I have to kill it and restart it every time. Any ideeas on how to prevent this?
[13:46] <BTCOxygen> ovidiu-florin: which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> 12.04 with the kubuntu backports
[13:50] <ovidiu-florin> it has been like this even before I added the backports ppa
[14:05] <rishubh> in kubuntu-kde how to see version of different applications like digikam
[14:05] <rishubh> ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> Kmail does not apply the filters automatically, is that normal? I have to apply filters manually on each folder
[14:11] <ovidiu-florin> rishubh: I don't understand your question
[14:12] <rishubh> ovidiu-florin:  how to know what version of KDE and what version of kubuntu am i using?
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> open any application, like dolphin for example and go to help and about
[14:13] <ovidiu-florin> you will see the application and the KDE version
[14:13] <rishubh> ovidiu-florin: ok thanks
[14:15] <BluesKaj> for kubuntu version , opena terminal , lsb_release -A
[14:17] <BluesKaj> correction ,lsb_release -a
[14:17] <rishubh> BluesKaj: thanks...i didnt get how to find Application version?
[14:18] <rishubh> through muon software centre?
[14:18] <rishubh> center*
[14:19] <rishubh> it gives me Version:dolphin 4:4.9.2 oubuntu4
[14:19] <rishubh> so is 4.9.2...kde version?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> rishubh, alt+f2 , type terminal , then type lsb_release -a in the terminal
[14:20] <BluesKaj> yes for kde version
[14:20] <BluesKaj> seems right
[14:21] <rishubh> it says command not found
[14:22] <BluesKaj> make sure there's aspace after release
[14:22] <rishubh> and whats oubuntu4?
[14:22] <rishubh> BluesKaj: K thanks got the kubuntu version
[14:23] <BluesKaj> rishubh, which is ?
[14:23] <rishubh> 12.10
[14:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:24] <rishubh> but still didnt get the product version
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> rin dolphin --version
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> in a terminal
[14:24] <ovidiu-florin> run*
[14:25] <ovidiu-florin> most applications have the --version attribute
[14:25] <rishubh> ovidiu-florin: K thanks...got it
[14:27] <BluesKaj> producy version , which product ?
[14:27] <ovidiu-florin> I think he meant in general
[14:27] <rishubh> BluesKaj: I got it how to Find ...thanks to ovidiu-florin.
[14:28] <BluesKaj> it would be good for future reference what "product version" is or means to you
[14:31] <rishubh> i am actually trying to triag bugs so i have to mention the version of product
[14:34] <BluesKaj> still don't understand what is meant by "product"  in your country ...it would be good to know
[14:38] <BluesKaj> ok ,...nm
[15:07] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[15:59] <nesti> :)
[16:25] <Hydroxide> hi. konsole doesn't produce ĳ when I do <Multi_key> <i> <j>, but xterm does. any thoughts? I'm en_US.UTF-8 throughout and my system Compose file includes that character.
[16:28] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[16:30] <phoenix_firebrd> My chromium bookmarks are shown in the kmenu and in krunner, how can i disable this?
[17:13] <dlong> I recently switched to kubuntu.  Love the distro.  There are a couple things that I want to be able to do...1) Use kopete to access all my IM contacts but I need to proxy only google talk OR 2) use piding (which has the proxying ability) and be able to easily access contacts with krunner.  Is either 1 or 2 possible?
[17:13] <dlong> s/piding/pidgin
[17:18] <shadeslayer> mm
[17:19] <shadeslayer> I don't think so
[17:19] <shadeslayer> or to put it properly, I'm not aware of such a feature in kopete
[17:37] <hpfrantzy5> hello, I keep getting an error from kwin
[17:37] <hpfrantzy5> Executable: kwin PID: 23275 Signal: Segmentation fault (11)
[18:09] <yofel> hpfrantzy5: can you please install he debugging symbols and get a backtrace from the crash notifier? Without that it's impossible to debug a segfault
[18:10] <hpfrantzy5> @yofel okay
[18:11] <hpfrantzy5> The debug packages could not be found; I will continue
[18:12] <hpfrantzy5> No debug packages could be found for the files listed below. Do you want to continue anyway?
[18:12] <yofel> which files?
[18:13] <yofel> or can you pastebin whatever stacktrace you can get right now?
[18:13] <hpfrantzy5> its downloading other debug files
[18:13] <shadeslayer> you'd need kde-workspace-dbg I think
[18:13] <hpfrantzy5> ill let you know when I see something
[18:14] <hpfrantzy5> yeah, thats one of the packages being downloaded
[18:15] <shadeslayer> should be fine then :)
[18:15] <hpfrantzy5> i have a low internet connection, so this will take some time
[18:15] <hpfrantzy5> in the meantime, may I ask if you guys are developers for the ubuntu community?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> me and yofel? yeah :)
[18:17] <hpfrantzy5> nice, I am fairly new to linux; finally decided to dual boot rather than using wubi - big commitment on my part
[18:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:18] <hpfrantzy5> but I decided to go linux because I will be taking a course on functional programming, using OCaml, and it was next to impossible to get a good ocaml environment set up in windows
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[18:20] <hpfrantzy5> I was wondering what part of the project you guys work on
[18:20] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu and KDE primarily :)
[18:24] <yofel> same
[18:24] <hpfrantzy5> nice, what implications does BlueSystems supporting Kubuntu have on the project? As frustrated I am with unity and ubuntu, Canonical does have the right connections
[18:25] <hpfrantzy5> i'm only a sophomore in computer science at Cornell University, but I've grown to like Linux and can't wait to be more advanced
[18:44] <lordievader> Good evening
[19:09] <sbivol_> Since a week or so, no KDE application opens JPEGs on my computer. Kubuntu 12.10 with KDE 4.9.97. Does anybody else have the same issue?
[19:11] <sbivol_> apart from the usual updates, I did no changes to the system, since this is my main computer.
[19:15] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: checking
[19:16] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: Gwenview can open
[19:16] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: no problem for me
[19:16] <sbivol_> phoenix_firebrd: what Gwenview version?
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: 2.10.0
[19:17] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: did you try after removing the extension from the filename?
[19:18] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: If the mimetype and file extension doesn't match, it creates a problem
[19:18] <sbivol_> phoenix_firebrd: You are right, it works after removing the extension
[19:19] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: in that case it is not a jpeg image, something else
[19:20] <sbivol_> phoenix_firebrd: PNG, as I see now. I tried opening them with ImageMagick and it worked, so I thought it has something to do with Gwenview...
[19:20] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: This is been there for a while
[19:21] <sbivol_> phoenix_firebrd: thank you for the hint, I wouldn't have checked the mimetype miself
[19:21] <phoenix_firebrd> sbivol_: yw
[19:23] <sbivol_> I guess a check in kdelibs like „if decode_by_extension() failed -> try decode_by_mimetype()” would be very useful
[19:24] <phoenix_firebrd> ya thats what i thought
[20:43] <DeLaVEGA> hy
[21:28] <ProNet> Салам ребята
[21:28] <Unit193> !ru | ProNet
[21:49] <wadi> allo
[22:43] <BarkingFish> Hi guys.  Right - i misread top last night - i now know what the rogue process in my system is, and I can't find out how to kill it, remove what's generating it, or why it's going rogue in the first place.
[22:44] <BarkingFish> It's something called kio_thumbnail - and when I open my desktop, that nasty little annoyance slows my machine down to the point where it's practically stopping it dead by using over 90% of the available (2GB) memory
[22:45] <BarkingFish> it's only since I upgraded my kernel a coupla days back, and since I don't wanna downgrade, I need to figure out how to disable kio_thumbnail from running
[22:46] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, have you isolated the package ?
[22:47] <BarkingFish> i don't know how to.  I definitely know top is showing kio_thumbnail as the cause though
[22:48] <BarkingFish> at the moment i'm having to kill it using kill -15 kio_thumbnail in a terminal, it's the only way i've found to make the machine usable
[22:48] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, after killing it, does it start again ?
[22:49] <BarkingFish> yes
[22:49] <BarkingFish> normally
[22:49] <BarkingFish> runs as if nothing was ever wrong :(
[22:52] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, according to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-796875-start-0.html it's spawned by the package gtk-qt-engine
[22:52] <BarkingFish> hm.
[22:52] <BarkingFish> let's see if removing that would knacker anything else
[22:53] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, be warned, though; it might hurt gtk themed apps
[22:53] <BarkingFish> right, well that's that shot in the foot.
[22:53] <BarkingFish> i don't have gtk-qt-engine installed :)
[22:58] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, well, tried disabling preview in dolphin ?
[22:58] <BarkingFish> FlowRiser, preview is already disabled in dolphin. I've never used it
[22:59] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, any usb or cd-rom or other video/music/image media attached to your pc ?
[23:00] <BarkingFish> i have 2 usb devices - a usb 1.1 bluetooth adapter and a 1TB external HD which is unmounted
[23:01] <BarkingFish> brb
[23:22] <BarkingFish> sorry, back
[23:23] <yofel> I'm not really sure how to debug that, but maybe you could attach strace to the kio_thumbnail process and try to figure out what it's doing from the output
[23:26] <BarkingFish> yofel - it's only silly when I first start the machine - how can I attach strace to it when I can barely run the computer? :)
[23:26] <yofel> good question...
[23:27] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, so it hangs the computer at startup ... but after you kill it it runs ok ?
[23:27] <BarkingFish> the pc boots normally - i get to the login screen, everything is fine.  i login, and it falls apart like a badly made soft toy
[23:27] <FlowRiser> Do you by chance have desktop items enabled ?
[23:28] <BarkingFish> i would have more luck swimming through semi-frozen treacle
[23:28] <BarkingFish> desktop items?
[23:28] <BarkingFish> i have stuff on my desktop
[23:28] <FlowRiser> seeing the contents of your Desktop folder
[23:28] <FlowRiser> can you see folders and stuff ?
[23:28] <BarkingFish> yes
[23:28] <BarkingFish> but preview is switched off on those
[23:29] <BarkingFish> so it doesn't thumbnail anything
[23:29] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, i get a feeling it still runs ...
[23:29] <FlowRiser> BarkingFish, try disabling desktop items
[23:29] <FlowRiser> see if it happens again
[23:29] <FlowRiser> just relog
[23:31]  * Wizard yawns
[23:31] <BarkingFish> ok, i'll try.  let's see what happens. one reboot on order, coming up :)
[23:31] <FlowRiser> don't reboot, lol
[23:31] <FlowRiser> O.o
[23:31] <Wizard> To slow ;)
[23:31] <Wizard> Hi.
[23:31] <FlowRiser> a relog would have been enough :D
[23:31] <FlowRiser> Wizard, hi
[23:59] <calavera> Has anybody else had problems with dualbooting k/7 across two drives in a UEFI system?


[02:55] <pavlushka> Good Morning every one!
[09:43] <zaki> hello Kilos pavlushka Nahiyan and others
[09:44] <Nahiyan> hello
[09:44] <Nahiyan> https://getchip.com
[09:44] <Nahiyan> https://getchip.com/pages/chip
[09:45] <Nahiyan> it's like a raspi but costs $9
[09:51] <pavlushka> Nahiyan: wow, you ordered any?
[09:51] <pavlushka> wb zaki !
[09:51] <Nahiyan> no, but someone in my family recently got a foreign currency account so I could in fact order
[09:52] <zaki> hello pavlushka
[09:52] <pavlushka> Nahiyan: so you have an option to do it, but are you interested to do it?
[09:53] <Nahiyan> I am
[09:53] <zaki> Nahiyan:  i missed that link. :(
[09:53] <Nahiyan> https://getchip.com/pages/chip
[09:53] <pavlushka> zaki: how is it going? got my mail?
[09:55] <zaki> fine.
[09:55] <zaki>  pavlushka teasing teasing ? :v
[09:55] <Kilos> hi guys
[09:55] <pavlushka> zaki: wow, so its working, \o/
[09:55] <Kilos> hope you all well
[09:56] <pavlushka> Kilos: want some mail ?
[09:56] <zaki> pavlushka: nice
[09:56] <zaki> from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>via gmail.com
[09:56] <Kilos> you can send pavlushka `
[09:56] <pavlushka> Kilos: welcome and hello :)
[09:56] <zaki> Kilos: how are you doing?
[09:56] <Kilos> been very busy but mails wait till i get there
[09:57] <Kilos> good ty zaki just struggling to adjust to the timezone 8 hours before what im used to
[09:57] <pavlushka> ha ha, enjoy your long awaited holy days, dont miss it, we will take care of Ubuntu meanwhile, ha ha.
[09:57] <Kilos> ty
[09:58] <Kilos> i have all kinds of chores now to repair everything my girls cant
[09:58] <zaki> he he
[09:58] <pavlushka> Kilos: I am sure of it, I do it when I visit my cousin's house, :)
[09:59] <Kilos> lol
[09:59] <zaki> me too, when i visit my sister house. :)
[10:00] <pavlushka> Kilos: you can ask some owl to accompany you in your 8 hours lag :P
[10:00] <zaki> pavlushka: how you adjust that email?
[10:01] <Kilos> everything is mixed up man even my tummy
[10:01] <zaki> via gmail thing
[10:01] <Kilos> im used to doing toilet business in the morning and now its night time but slowly moving towards morning
[10:01] <pavlushka> Kilos: the water with different minerals than you are used to, causes that.
[10:02] <zaki> Kilos: i'm missing QA since yesterday.
[10:02] <Kilos> oh let me go find her
[10:03] <pavlushka> QA left in absence of Kilos , after all She is Kilos bot :p
[10:03] <zaki> Kilos: ty :)
[10:03] <zaki> wow
[10:03] <pavlushka> Welcome QA
[10:03] <zaki> QA: welcome back
[10:03] <QA> zaki: Huh?
[10:03] <Kilos> wb
[10:03] <zaki> :/
[10:04] <Kilos> QA wb
[10:04] <QA> Thank you so much Kilos my good friend
[10:04] <zaki> QA: wb
[10:04] <QA> Thank you so much zaki my good friend
[10:04] <pavlushka> oh so everything should start with QA!
[10:05] <pavlushka> QA Welcome
[10:05] <QA> Welcome to our meeting all new and old users of irc in Africa
[10:05] <pavlushka> he ha he ha
[10:05] <zaki> lol
[10:07] <Kilos> lol
[10:10] <pavlushka> need a line like "if in (#ubuntu-bd) then (Welcome to our meeting all new and old users of irc in Bangladesh)"
[10:11] <Kilos> well we can sort that when you guys are ready for a meeting
[10:11] <Kilos> hopefully she will be rewritten by then then you can even run an ibid on a server there
[10:12] <Kilos> or any pc that stays online when you guys are awake
[10:12] <pavlushka> Kilos: well, sure, will keep that in mind, :)
[10:13] <pavlushka> zaki: I adjusted that email being kind of "ঘাইড়া" :p
[10:14] <zaki> he he
[10:14] <pavlushka> zaki: today I have sent you 3 mails, and the third one succeeded :)
[10:14] <zaki> pavlushka: know about the most viral topic in chittagong this days?
[10:14] <pavlushka> and will follow on :)
[10:15] <pavlushka> zaki: a girl rapping (screaming) on a terries?
[10:16] <zaki> pavlushka: not only 3rd one, i got 2 mail from you. :p
[10:16] <pavlushka> zaki: oh, the 2nd one also succeeded then :)
[10:16] <pavlushka> zaki: so what is the viral topic?
[10:17] <zaki> o vai kene cholor..!! :3
[10:17] <zaki> it's in our local language.
[10:17] <pavlushka> can guess that but cant understand the kick of it??
[10:18] <Kilos> seems i just got here and ready to go sleep already
[10:18] <Kilos> look after yourselves guys
[10:18] <Kilos> night
[10:19] <pavlushka> Kilos: np, sleep well, sending some owls :p
[10:19] <Kilos> hehe ty
[10:21] <pavlushka> zaki: you will more than love it, here https://www.facebook.com/Viral.dhk/videos/593260330858576/?pnref=story
[10:21] <pavlushka> zaki: just dont get scared :p
[10:26] <zaki> some guys dubbed a wwe episode in our local lang. there an oponent asking john cina  o vai kene cholor.


[01:20] <cjwatson> CarlFK: depends what the qemu's doing :)
[01:23] <CarlFK> cjwatson: wget  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/linux and initrd.gz
[01:23] <CarlFK> qemu -kernel linux -initrd initrd.gz hd.qcow2
[01:25] <CarlFK> seems to be installing past where it was previously eroded
[01:26] <cjwatson> err. I mean a from-scratch test case
[01:26] <cjwatson> as in "install this minimal set of packages in a chroot"
[01:27] <cjwatson> dpkg logic errors shouldn't require emulation to reproduce
[01:27] <cjwatson> so no, that isn't really the sort of thing I'm looking for, but thanks
[01:29] <CarlFK> it isn't so much the emulation as a way to boot the installer - but I think you want to remove the installer from the mix too
[01:31] <cjwatson> I had a way to boot the installer already
[01:32] <cjwatson> that was just the simplest possible reproduction using (a lightly modified version of) your preseed file
[01:57] <twb> Hey, so I'm trying to do a network install while my stupid broken DHCP server isn't providing a default route *or* nameservers.
[01:58] <twb> I manually added the route, but d-i asked me for nameservers, so I assumed it had, you know, added the ones I gave it to resolv.conf.
[01:58] <twb> But it hadn't; resolv.conf has no nameserver entries.  This might be a bug.
[02:00] <marceloaragorn21> hi all
[02:00] <marceloaragorn21> does anybody know a kind of driver or module for "eb1a:2710 eMPIA Technology, Inc. SilverCrest WebCam" to load into Ubuntu Hardly ????
[02:01] <twb> marceloaragorn21: that sounds like a question for #ubuntu; this channel is about getting Ubuntu installed and booting.
[02:02] <marceloaragorn21> ok... sorry
[02:02] <marceloaragorn21> i'm desperate to know about this :-)
[02:02] <marceloaragorn21> i've already asked in #ubuntu
[02:03] <twb> I'm afraid it's not appropriate to ask it here.
[02:04] <marceloaragorn21> ok..
[02:05] <marceloaragorn21> thanks for the tip :)
[02:12] <cjwatson> twb: I think it's probably a bug, yes; it'll have gone unnoticed because that only happens in the corner case where your DHCP server doesn't provide nameserver entries. Please file it. However, something would need to be done to make sure those nameserver entries didn't get blatted by dhclient later on the installed system, wouldn't it?
[02:12] <twb> I don't know.
[02:12] <cjwatson> twb: oh, it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362029
[02:12] <twb> Ah, thanks.
[02:13]  * twb runs "bts subscribe"
[06:48] <_ruben> hmm .. is there way to install ubuntu server (hardy) by booting from a cd, but load all/most other stuff (atleast packages, but preferably also the installer) from a local mirror?
[06:48] <_ruben> most netboot docs i found are geared towards desktop
[06:49] <cjwatson> you can burn http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso to a CD and install from that; the netboot images can install any flavour of Ubuntu
[06:50] <cjwatson> you'd just need to select appropriate server tasks, and possibly install the server kernel (either by preseeding or just post-install) if you so desire
[06:50] <_ruben> hmm .. lets try that (except for the burning part, can use the iso directly)
[06:50] <cjwatson> emulation?
[06:51] <_ruben> virtual media over lan .. but for some reason the install stalls when i try to do the full install using that
[06:55] <_ruben> and i guess preseeding really is smth i oughta look into
[07:04] <_ruben> ah crap .. dont have the installer files on my local mirror yet, and for some reason debmiror (or actually perl) broke on that box .. sigh .. nice way to start the day
[07:40] <_ruben> wow .. using local mirror instead of virtual cdrom surely feels *much* faster .. thanks for the tip, cjwatson
[12:33] <davmor2> evand: I'm testing that wubi with an over the net install so far so good I'll let you know if it works shortly though :)
[12:36] <davmor2> evand: fails drops into initramfs
[12:38] <davmor2> is there any debugging info that would be useful?
[13:09] <TheMuso> cjwatson: When you can get a minute, and if you have a current casper bzr, assuming its not been fixed in LP, would you mind throwing me a tarball of the casper bzr when you get a chance? I'd like to do some work on the a11y bits of that this week.
[14:01] <evand> davmor2: casper.log.  Also if you boot without quiet splash it should give you the exact error.
[14:02] <davmor2> evand: I had a quick look through that it looks like it can't mount sda1
[14:03] <davmor2> I'll double check to be sure though
[14:09] <davmor2> evand: these are the lines from casper.log
[14:09] <davmor2> Cannot mount /dev/sda1 on /isodevice
[14:09] <davmor2> mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /isodevice failed: No such device
[14:10] <evand> davmor2: ok, can you open a new bug report with that information?
[14:10] <davmor2> evand: Also running in verbose mode shows no faults
[14:13] <evand> ok
[14:18] <davmor2> evand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/268123
[14:20] <evand> thanks
[14:20] <davmor2> np's
[14:46] <cjwatson> TheMuso: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/casper-trunk.tar.gz
[14:50] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Got it, thanks.
[15:44] <CIA-44> partman-auto: cjwatson * r269 existing-partitions/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[15:44] <CIA-44> partman-auto: Introduce $partno{ } recipe syntax to operate on existing partitions
[15:44] <CIA-44> partman-auto: (LP: #195608).
[15:44] <CIA-44> partman-auto: cjwatson * r270 existing-partitions/lib/auto-shared.sh: fix syntax error
[15:47] <cjwatson> eek, think I might have bitten off more than I can chew with this project, it's complicated
[15:51] <evand> yikes
[15:52] <davmor2> That's really bad
[15:55] <cjwatson> hmm?
[15:55] <davmor2> cjwatson: Stop doubting yourself man you can do it :D
[15:57]  * davmor2 had a whole stream of uplifting comments but then thought they were probably useless :(
[15:57] <cjwatson> the complexity is working out how to do the "clear disk except for this small set of partitions that I've chosen to reuse" (which I think is the nearest useful equivalent to "wipe whole disk and repartition" if your recipe wants to reuse existing partitions ...)
[15:58] <cjwatson> also have to do something with partman-auto-lvm
[15:59] <cjwatson> and not sure what $partno{ foo } $lvmok{ } ought to mean
[16:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: Is partman clever enough to know what tags are set to the current partitions?
[16:01] <CIA-44> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r204 existing-partitions/ (debian/changelog debian/control lib/auto-lvm.sh):
[16:01] <CIA-44> partman-auto-lvm: Honour $partno{ } syntax to operate on existing partitions in envelope;
[16:01] <CIA-44> partman-auto-lvm: requires partman-auto (>= 78ubuntu2).
[16:01] <cjwatson> davmor2: tags?
[16:01] <davmor2> home etc
[16:02] <cjwatson> err, I'm not sure I know what you mean
[16:02] <cjwatson> do you mean where a partition is mounted? if so, do you mean in the current installation, or remembering it somehow from previous installations?
[16:04] <davmor2> cjwatson: the most likely partition you will want to keep will be var and home wouldn't it?   If so would partman recognise these mount points or will you have to put a name to a partition?
[16:05] <davmor2> previous installation I think.  In hardy is on the machine and you want to install intrepid but not wipe home
[16:05] <cjwatson> firstly, this is strictly for preseeding - custom jobs only, likely within a particular organisation with rather set partitioning layouts. I've only implemented a way to reuse existing partitions by partition number
[16:06] <cjwatson> secondly, the mountpoint isn't actually a property of the partition so that sort of thing is very difficult
[16:07] <cjwatson> in a multi-partition layout, you have an /etc/fstab file in your / partition that lists the partitions and corresponding mountpoints
[16:07] <cjwatson> each individual partition, in principle and often in practice, has no idea where it's mounted
[16:07] <cjwatson> i.e. you can't tell just by looking at that partition
[16:08] <davmor2> shame that
[16:08] <cjwatson> (there are some heuristics you could imagine using, but I'm expecting this to be used more for organisation-specific mountpoints than for /var and /home, really)
[16:09] <cjwatson> although /home is a viable case. I don't think /var is
[16:09] <cjwatson> /var/lib/dpkg definitely needs to be wiped, for one thing ...
[16:09] <davmor2> cjwatson: var is on servers unless you setup userdir etc
[16:10] <cjwatson> servers tend to upgrade forever, not reinstall
[16:10] <davmor2> true
[16:10] <cjwatson> I don't see them as a major use case here
[16:10] <cjwatson> proper servers also have backups :)
[16:11] <davmor2> very true :)
[16:11] <davmor2> or serveral if you're really paranoid
[16:14] <davmor2> It is a nice puzzle I'll give you that :)
[16:21] <davmor2> cjwatson: is the idea to have this as an option on the installer?  Like the chooser for multiple discs?
[16:23] <cjwatson> no, just for preseeding
[16:23] <CarlFK>  (10:05:46 AM) cjwatson: ...I've only implemented a way to reuse existing partitions by partition number
[16:24] <CarlFK> have you considered label ?
[16:24] <davmor2> right so this would be like the auto install stuff then yes?
[16:24] <CarlFK> or whatever this is UUID=eaeac11a-98d8-41c5-999d-0f70153a655d
[16:25] <cjwatson> CarlFK: considered but not yet implemented
[16:25] <davmor2> what tool will be used to create the presseed?
[16:26] <CarlFK> relying on partition number makes me nervous - every so often it seems to change, mainly with new kernels, which is very often what you get with a new install
[16:26] <CarlFK> davmor2: I use vi :)
[16:26] <CarlFK> davmor2: I start with the example file and hack it
[16:29] <davmor2> Ah okay.  So you just need something that says "reuse partition 1 2 3 name boot / var keep 4 5 name home swap"  kinda thing in a format that partman understands what to do with it right?
[16:42] <cjwatson> it's for people who are already used to creating preseed files more than anything else; at least to start with. maybe in future ubiquity could make use of it or something but I wasn't thinking of that yet
[16:43] <cjwatson> CarlFK: I've never encountered partition *numbers* within a disk changing. Disk device names change, but the partition numbering is stable IME
[16:47] <CarlFK> cjwatson:  ah.  curios how you will identify the device - but I can wait and see what you come up with :)
[16:52] <davmor2> cjwatson: so basically the preseed is a text file that gives the installer instructions on what to do correct?  If so would my way of selecting reuse partition sda1 sda2 sda3 name /boot / /var not be viable?
[16:53] <CarlFK> davmor2: yep
[16:55] <davmor2> and have reuse format the partition in a similar fashion to the advanced system now?
[16:57] <CarlFK> davmor2: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt
[17:06] <cjwatson> CarlFK: you already have to identify the device when preseeding partitioning; I'm not changing anything there
[17:07] <cjwatson> davmor2: let me clarify, what I'm doing is a *very* small change to the existing format; I'm absolutely not embarking on a rewrite of the existing recipe format
[17:07] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's
[17:08] <cjwatson> so it needs to fit into what's there now, which basically means that we make it possible to add $partno{ } lines to a partition stanza and have that be applied to an existing partition rather than creating a new one
[17:08] <cjwatson> we basically already have a format that does what you're describing, except for reusing existing partitions
[17:10] <CarlFK> cjwatson: good point - i think my fear is from never using a preseed if I wanted to keep anything.  but as long as it works most of the time, and you have a backup for when it doesn't, no problem.
[18:07] <CIA-44> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2805 ubiquity/ (82 files in 3 dirs):
[18:07] <CIA-44> ubiquity: Change "Automatically sign in" to "Log in automatically", to match
[18:07] <CIA-44> ubiquity: wording elsewhere (LP: #266995).
[19:30] <kirkland> cjwatson: around?
[19:39] <cjwatson> kirkland: best leave a message, I'm about to leave to catch a train
[19:39] <kirkland> cjwatson: k
[20:01] <kirkland> evand: hey, are you around?
[20:02] <evand> ja
[20:04] <kirkland> evand: i'm looking for the right source package
[20:04] <kirkland> evand: partman/raid related
[20:05] <kirkland> evand: partman-md isn't quite it....
[20:05] <kirkland> evand: i don't see just a plain "partman" package
[20:06] <evand> partman-base ?
[20:08] <kirkland> evand: aha!
[20:08] <kirkland> evand: apt-cache search partman didn't find anything
[20:09] <evand> yeah, udebs don't turn up in apt-cache.
[20:09] <kirkland> evand: is there an equivalent search tool?
[20:13] <evand> no idea, I generally dig through here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/+related-software and here: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/partman/?rev=0&sc=0
[20:14] <kirkland> evand: okey dok
[20:23] <kirkland> evand: okay, next question....
[20:23] <evand> sure
[20:23] <kirkland> evand: in partman-base, if I add a "db_metaget mdadm/boot_degraded BOOT_DEGRADED"
[20:24] <kirkland> evand: and i put that into the partman-base .templates file
[20:24] <kirkland> evand: and the user makes that selection in partitioning
[20:24] <kirkland> evand: i'm hoping that true/false value will be stored in the debconf db
[20:24] <kirkland> evand: such that when the mdadm package gets installed later
[20:25] <kirkland> evand: the mdadm's postinst will do a db_get and handle the true/false appropriately
[20:25] <kirkland> evand: does that sound right to you?
[20:27] <evand> I don't believe metaget is what you want here.  I imagine you want to use get.
[20:27] <kirkland> evand: cool.  what's the difference, briefly?
[20:29] <evand> metaget gets fields, such as the description, get retrieves the value of the question.  See debconf-devel(7) for more details.
[20:29] <evand> or more commonly, the choices
[20:29] <evand> for metaget, that is
[20:30] <kirkland> evand: cool
[21:20] <kirkland> evand: what does the "oh, crap, you don't have swapspace defined" check?
[21:28] <evand> partman-basicfilesystems/no_swap
[21:28] <evand> is the question
[21:29] <evand> it's used in partman-basicfilesystems/check.d/check_swap


[08:21] <tomreyn> good morning. i'd like to file a wishlist bug to have a bugwatch added for gitlab.gnome.org - where's the right place to file this?
[08:21] <tomreyn> (please ;-) )
[09:14] <cjwatson> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1603679, already in progress
[09:15] <tomreyn> oh thanks for looking it up, cj, i searched but couldn't find it.
[09:17] <tomreyn> oh so gitlab is generally not supported, yet, and it's not just a matter of adding another instance for gitlab.gnome.org.
[09:18] <cjwatson> tomreyn: Right.  But once GitLab is supported there should be no problem.
[09:19] <tomreyn> let's hope someone will have time to review it then :)
[09:19] <cjwatson> Bug watches require at least the minimum level of support of being able to check the status of remote bugs.
[17:20] <Laney> where did I see the announcement about changes to Ubuntu bug nomination?
[23:58] <mwhudson> is the publisher on hold because of the network maintenance?


[01:22] <_marx_> ping holstein
[01:23] <holstein> _marx_: yo
[01:23] <holstein> im out at the gig right now
[01:23] <holstein> just checking in :)
[01:23] <_marx_> thought you might be
[01:23] <_marx_> ping me in the am
[01:26] <holstein> am?
[01:26] <holstein> like morning?
[01:26] <holstein> i dont do mornings ;)
[01:26] <holstein> i should be on around noon
[01:26] <holstein> maybe a bit earlier
[01:27] <_marx_> yes, i grok that we have different mornings
[01:28] <_marx_> i meant your morning
[01:30] <_marx_> see i'm going to bed in about 20 minutes :)
[01:33]  * _marx_ trying to get used to unity
[01:33] <_marx_> and still just doesn't get it
[02:38] <holstein> _marx_: i got a minute right now
[02:39] <holstein> im using gnome still, and im planning on using XFCE
[02:39] <holstein> thats what ubuntustudio is going to
[02:39] <holstein> unity will get better as soon as customizations kick in
[02:39] <holstein> which'll be soon
[02:40] <holstein> i think the idea of it is great, and im glad ubuntu has its own thing
[02:41] <holstein> im not planning on using it
[02:41] <holstein> i was a little dissapointed when i actually tried unity and gnome3
[02:41] <holstein> i feel like its a bit more of a duplication of effort than is necessary
[02:53]  * BugeyeD updating lapdance to 11.04 now, will see what this unity thing is all about. assuming it will run on my 2005 centrino hardware.
[02:53] <BugeyeD> unity is rock bottom on the one desktop machine i tried it on before; i don't build boxes with nice graphics because i'm accustomed to staring an an xterm.
[02:54] <BugeyeD> every update thus far has broken video for me, so i fully expect more of the same.
[03:03] <holstein> unity is actually pretty light weight
[03:03] <holstein> not like LXDE light... but light-ish
[03:04] <holstein> and theres a 2d version i havent tried yet
[03:04] <BugeyeD> i'm sure the 2d would be required in my case
[03:05] <BugeyeD> gotta go find something else to do ... what few hairs i have left are getting ever more grey watching the upgrade process ...
[03:06] <holstein> yeah... i spent about 24hours waiting one 11.10 to upgrade, and now its not booting ;)
[03:23] <BugeyeD> mine came back. video looks ok so far, so i'm a little shocked.
[03:24] <BugeyeD> 'ubuntu' complains that i don't have hardware for unity, and sends me to 'classic mode' which is just gnome.
[03:24] <BugeyeD> also have 'netbook edition 2d' which appears to be what i was running before - probably something i installed myself and is left over from prior to the upgrade.
[03:24] <holstein> yeah, you need to install unity2d afterwards
[03:33] <BugeyeD> holstein: yup, 'unity-2d' did it. seems to be a decent thing to include by default.
[03:34] <holstein> well, you would think it would default to unity2d instead of gnome
[03:34] <holstein> i think thats the idea going forward
[03:34] <holstein> those are really 2 totally different things though
[03:34] <holstein> i cant imaging them maintaing them both for very long
[03:34] <BugeyeD> yep. thanks for the pointer. probably wouldn't have googled it, would have just gone without. at least now i get to see it.
[03:34] <holstein> i think it'll just be normal unity, and you'll have to tweak if you dont have 3d
[03:35] <holstein> they look and act the same though AFAIK
[04:01] <BugeyeD> where are the prefs? trying to figure out keyboard shortcuts and can't seem to find my own arse ...
[04:02] <holstein> BugeyeD: hang on...
[04:02] <BugeyeD> of course. found it *right* after i asked ...
[04:03] <BugeyeD> it shows up under 'all apps'
[04:03] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[04:03] <holstein> i was using that when i was trying to stay in unity for a bit
[04:03] <BugeyeD> i hope i'm missing something here - that's an unintelligent way to get there
[04:04] <holstein> i just set that as my wallpaper
[04:04] <BugeyeD> heh
[04:11] <BugeyeD> looking a lot like osx
[04:11] <BugeyeD> not a bad thing from a desktop perspective.
[04:19] <BugeyeD> the background image thing is a good idea, but some of the hints don't appear to work for me, such as auto-tiling and such.
[04:19] <holstein> BugeyeD: they could be different from 2d to 3d
[04:20] <holstein> which would be just slackness i think
[19:18] <_marx_> holstein: is it mid-morning yet?
[22:40]  * _marx_ has log files going back to '07