[15:48] <mup> Bug #1903318 opened: On a single node MAAS install, rackd doesn't startup <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1903318>
[15:51] <mup> Bug #1903318 changed: On a single node MAAS install, rackd doesn't startup <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1903318>
[15:54] <mup> Bug #1903318 opened: On a single node MAAS install, rackd doesn't startup <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1903318>
[15:57] <mup> Bug #1903318 changed: On a single node MAAS install, rackd doesn't startup <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1903318>
[16:00] <mup> Bug #1903318 opened: On a single node MAAS install, rackd doesn't startup <MAAS:Triaged by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1903318>


[02:45] <stgraber> oh, typo in the changelog, as it's still in the queue might as well fix that :)
[02:45] <stgraber> please reject ^
[02:47] <stgraber> and re-uploaded
[03:01] <ScottK> stgraber: Rejected the older one.
[03:06] <stgraber> ScottK: thanks
[03:06] <ScottK> No problem.
[03:07] <ScottK> slangasek: ^^^ Yon kde-workspace upload has the upstart init change you're waiting for if you'd care to review (all the patches are cherrypicks from upstream).
[05:26] <slangasek> ScottK: accepted
[05:27] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.
[05:28] <slangasek> and that lightdm is the last one that blocks fixing this on the plymouth side
[05:35] <pitti> ev: will have a look at the custom widgets thing this morning
[05:49] <pitti> slangasek: accepted
[05:49] <pitti> thanks!
[05:50] <slangasek> pitti: huzzah, thanks to you
[06:37] <micahg> pitti: could you review firefox ^^
[06:37] <pitti> oh, another one? :-)
[06:37]  * pitti already accepted two yesterday
[06:37] <pitti> micahg: sure, doing
[06:38] <micahg> pitti: you weren't supposed to accept the first one ;)
[06:38] <micahg> or whichever one ubuntu2 was
[06:42] <micahg> pitti: thanks!
[06:42] <pitti> np; sorry for prematurely accepting ubuntu2 then, didn't spot that error
[06:43] <micahg> pitti: yeah, I didn't spot the issue either, cjwatson caught it, but we should've listened to infinity and rejected it :)
[08:18] <pitti> ^ review of that appreciated (I uploaded), breaking ubiquity
[08:18] <micahg> pitti: why the funny version?
[08:19] <pitti> micahg: it was -0svn1 before, and it's a bit impractical right now to commit that to debian's svn
[08:19] <pitti> I can also name it -0ubuntu1 if people prefer taht
[08:19] <micahg> pitti: right, so it should be -0ubuntu1, no?
[08:20] <pitti> fine for me; rejecting, reuploading
[08:21]  * micahg isn't sure what his obsession with version numbers is about...
[08:26] <ev> pitti: thanks
[08:27] <pitti> ev: sorry about that; I was going to test the new pygobject with ubiquity with the first live CD after b2, but we didn't get one yet; seems you beat me to it
[08:27] <pitti> anyway, the just uploaded version works fine
[08:28] <ev> no worries
[08:28] <ev> we should discuss doing this sort of thing in a more automated fashion at UDS
[08:28] <ev> integration tests and all that jazz
[08:29] <pitti> ev: I thought QA used to have daily automatic tests of our CDs; they should catch this sort of regression, too
[08:30] <ev> well I was thinking of something less reactionary.  Have the buildd run through the unit tests of any package that depends on the package being built
[08:30] <ev> that way we catch it straight away
[08:30] <pitti> ah
[08:32] <pitti> ev: with jhbuild that already works pretty nicely, but that's of course not easy to move to our per-package source builds
[08:33] <ev> hm
[08:34] <ev> admittedly I haven't dug through the source here much
[08:34] <pitti> next time I upload pygobject I could just run the ubiquity tests
[08:34] <pitti> that's low-tech and rather easy to do
[08:38] <ev> Oh, my intention wasn't to just fix ubiquity with this approach, but make it hard to get any software into the archive that breaks existing software.
[08:38] <ev> but that works for now :)
[10:51] <ev> is it too late to switch wubi to building ext4 disk images? It's roughly a two line change.
[13:15] <ogasawara> could I get the linux-meta-<IP_ADDRESS>.13 package approved in the queue please?
[13:27] <ScottK> pitti: I just uploaded KDE 4.6.5 for natty-proposed.  I'd appreciate it if you could accept it today.
[13:33] <pitti> ScottK: will see to squeeze it in, and/or delegate to SpamapS :)
[13:34] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks.
[14:19] <seb128> ^ I did reject my gtk upload, it had a small issue
[15:33] <ScottK> pitti: You rejected my oxygen-icons upload?
[15:34] <pitti> ScottK: yes, see bug; it's a no-change upload, so I guess not worth an SRU?
[15:34] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[15:34] <ScottK> Agreed.
[15:34] <ScottK> People who had the bad PPA version already got the fixed one I guess.
[15:35] <pitti> yes, the reversion to .2 also seems to be in the PPA, according to changelog
[15:36] <ScottK> It is.
[15:37] <ScottK> I forgot to go back and diff against what was in the archive.
[15:40] <pitti> ScottK: ok, all done; that should keep the buildds busy for a while
[15:40] <ScottK> Yep.  Thanks.
[15:41] <cjwatson> pitti,SpamapS: I don't suppose one of you could look at my grub/grub-installer/hw-detect SRUs?    I'll keep an eye and retry, but don't be suprised.
[15:41] <cjwatson> (In fact, he first mailed me about this set of bugs in February ...)
[15:42] <pitti> cjwatson: already at it :) (while I'm at it)
[15:43] <cjwatson> cool
[15:43] <cjwatson> grub <= natty shouldn't suffer from the problem I uploaded for today; I'm pretty sure that I've isolated that to GCC >= 4.6
[15:44] <pitti> cjwatson: for hw-detect, will that get an accompanying d-i upload?
[15:44] <cjwatson> yes, although only after it's built
[15:50] <SpamapS> cjwatson: hah, I read that as "I have a zester ready and waiting" .. and I wondered.. what does citrus flavoring have to do with grub?
[15:51] <cjwatson> boots better if you add some lemon juice
[15:54] <pitti> good night!
[15:54] <Daviey> squashfs until the pips squeak.
[16:02]  * ScottK prepares to get sabdfl'ed.
[16:21] <lamont> deploying the correct fix for the archive mirror. this could produce a short period where the archive is not completely in sync
[16:22] <infinity> "The correct fix"?
[16:22] <lamont> the one where we fix dangling symlinks by also syncing the target, instead of stomping on it
[16:23] <lamont> it would be interesting to know how debmirror deals with symlinks between components
[16:25] <lamont> I suspect that the answer is "not"
[16:26] <lamont> fwiw, the not-in-sync shows up mostly as 403/404 errors. :(
[16:30] <infinity> There are worse things than a few missing files for an hour or two.
[16:36] <Daviey> lamont: Hmm, you have concerns that debmirror (and others?) will be broken going forward?
[16:37] <lamont> Daviey: no
[16:37] <Daviey> lamont: super, thanks
[17:14] <skaet> Daviey,  there are 2 cobbler-enlist_0.1 packages in the new queue,  separated by 10 days.    Should the older be rejected.   Note:  the sizes are different between the two.
[17:15] <skaet> ?
[17:16] <Daviey> skaet: One is called cobbler-enlist, the other cobbler-enrol :)
[17:16] <Daviey> cobbler-enrol can be rejected.
[17:17] <skaet> Daviey,  yup,  misread that, my bad.    cobbler-enrol rejected now.
[17:18] <bjf> skaet, is today's daily iso busted ? i get an "installation failed" "The installer encountered an unrecoverable error." dialog trying it
[17:18] <Daviey> ta
[17:19] <skaet> bjf,  I've just been doing updates myself today.   jibel,  are you seeing anything from the automated tests?
[17:19] <Daviey> oo-er
[17:19] <skaet> ....
[17:19] <bjf> skaet, np, will keep looking
[17:19] <SpamapS> Release team, need your thoughts on the situation with ensemble/juju ..
[17:19] <SpamapS> Its a leaf package, no dependencies..
[17:20] <skaet> Daviey, oo-er?
[17:20] <SpamapS> We have a pending upload which renames ensemble's binary packages to juju, as the project has been renamed..
[17:20] <Daviey> bjf: What ISO image?
[17:20] <slangasek> The Situation is using Juju?  By all means, let's capitalize on this in all our marketing
[17:20] <slangasek> oh, not that situation
[17:20] <SpamapS> And there are two big features which upstream would like to see land in 11.10...
[17:20] <Daviey> SpamapS: I assume you have a transional package in place?
[17:20] <SpamapS> Since its a leaf, unseeded, universe package, can we upload after Thursday?
[17:20] <bjf> davidm, should have been the daily from today, i'm pulling a new one down, and will retest
[17:20] <SpamapS> Daviey: yes, thats part of it.
[17:21] <SpamapS> slangasek: Maybe we can get snookie too :)
[17:21] <Daviey> SpamapS: ISTM that there are two issues, the name and the features.  Can they be handled in seperate uploads please?
[17:21] <slangasek> SpamapS: it can be uploaded after Thursday, but "new features" still means "FFe", which requires some lead time... I don't think you want to risk the name change not going through because it's caught in review
[17:21] <Daviey> Thereofr eseperate FFe's
[17:22] <slangasek> so I would suggest uploading the package name change ASAP
[17:22] <SpamapS> Ok I can upload the name change now for sure. Should I open a FFe bug to track the rename too then?
[17:22] <cjwatson> bjf: do you have a bug# and/or installation logs?
[17:23] <Daviey> SpamapS: Is a deprecation warning being issued under older commands?  Or just shooting for gold?
[17:23] <cjwatson> bjf: and which daily, we build quite a few
[17:23] <Daviey> SpamapS: Bugs are always handy :)
[17:23] <SpamapS> Daviey: I was thinking that at least /usr/bin/ensemble should throw up a warning.
[17:23] <bjf> cjwatson, not yet, just tried, failed, just pulled down one right now, am going to try that
[17:23] <Daviey> ... and rewarding! :)
[17:23] <bjf> cjwatson, how to i tell one daily from the next ?
[17:23] <cjwatson> bjf: it would really help if you could tell me the URL
[17:24] <cjwatson> we build dailies of Ubuntu desktop, Ubuntu alternate, Ubuntu server, Kubuntu desktop, Kubuntu alternate, Xubuntu desktop, Xubuntu alternate, need I go on
[17:24] <cjwatson> several of which are Canonical-supported
[17:24] <cjwatson> and we build each of those for multiple architectures
[17:24] <Daviey> bjf: It's not clear to me even what flavour you have encountered this with... server, desktop, kubuntu etc?
[17:24] <bjf> cjwatson, sorry, ubuntu desktop amd64
[17:24] <cjwatson> thank you
[17:24] <bjf> Daviey, ^
[17:25] <slangasek> SpamapS: if you want to just say in the changelog that I've pre-approved the name change, that's fine
[17:25] <cjwatson> if you had the daily from today, what new one are you pulling down?
[17:25] <Daviey> He's right ya know
[17:25] <Daviey> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-desktop-amd64_default/98/
[17:25] <skaet> Daviey, re: cobbler-enlist:  debian/copyright is different from what is in the cobbler-enlist.c file.   Note: cobbler-enlist.c, references cobbler-enrol in the title of the comments also.
[17:25] <cjwatson> wasn't saying he wasn't, just needed something to look for ...
[17:26] <Daviey> crap, thought i caught them all
[17:26] <SpamapS> slangasek: alright that sounds good. I'm finishing some testing and will upload after that.
[17:26] <bjf> cjwatson, i have a script that pulls down the ubuntu desktop amd64/i386 every day, i tried it and it failed, i just ran the script again incase new ones had been built
[17:26] <skaet> Daviey,  np.  want me to reject it so you can re-upload?
[17:27] <cjwatson> Daviey: do you know how I can extract installer logs from jenkins?
[17:27] <Daviey> cjwatson: I think jibel or jamespage are the key to that.
[17:27] <SpamapS> And per the other features.. which should land late this week, is there anything I need to do to ensure that the upload early next week is approved?
[17:28] <Daviey> skaet: please
[17:28] <skaet> Daviey, done.
[17:28] <cjwatson> it's chocolate-teapot levels of usefulness without logs, sadly
[17:28] <cjwatson> well, I guess we get one bit of information out, success or failure :)
[17:29] <cjwatson> but surely we can do better, I complained about this months ago
[17:29] <bjf> cjwatson, i'll see what i can get you
[17:29] <cjwatson> thanks; I'm syncing now but it will take a while
[17:31] <bjf> cjwatson, i'm building a new usb key right now, when it fails, which logs would you like? (is there a wiki page for debugging installer issues?)
[17:32] <cjwatson> the logs from the previous usb key would've been fine, but ...
[17:32] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity
[17:33] <cjwatson> tl;dr: /var/log/{syslog,partman}
[17:33] <cjwatson> oh and /var/log/installer/debug
[17:33] <bjf> cjwatson, ack
[17:33] <cjwatson> should probably edit that page to not talk about EOL distributions but life's too short
[17:44] <bjf> cjwatson, bug #859849
[17:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 859849 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in do_set_property(): 'StateBox' object has no attribute 'label' (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859849
[17:46] <cjwatson> fixed by new pygobject
[17:46] <cjwatson> I'll find the dup target in a moment
[17:46] <cjwatson> so will be fixed in tomorrow's daily
[17:46] <cjwatson> *dailies
[17:46] <bjf> cjwatson, ok, thanks
[17:47] <cjwatson> bug 856669
[17:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856669 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 3 other projects) "pygobject 3.0.0-0svn1 does not work with custom python GTK widgets (affects: 24) (dups: 20) (heat: 194)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856669
[17:47] <cjwatson> (stupid bugbot, true status is fix released on pygobject)
[17:56] <jamespage> cjwatson, Daviey: it looks like that test run did not actually start installing - hence no installer log
[18:13] <cjwatson> jamespage: ok, but it would do if it got past a certain point?  that's good
[18:14] <jamespage> cjwatson: yes it would - the preseed kicks off httpd in early_command and the framework then grabs the installer log every X seconds
[18:16] <jamespage> looking at todays tests - https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[18:16] <jamespage> it would appear that all oneiric-desktop-* tests failed
[18:16] <jamespage> alternate was OK
[18:17] <jamespage> they all appear to have failed in the same way i.e failed to start installation
[18:22] <cjwatson> anything gtkish would have done
[18:22] <cjwatson> dunno if you test kubuntu
[19:23] <Daviey> woah, 2.6.38-1.3 → 2.6.38-1000.1 .. is that right?
[19:28] <infinity> Daviey: I'm on it.
[19:28] <infinity> (Feel free to ignore all the ARM kernels in the queue, I'm reviewing them all)
[19:29] <Daviey> infinity: ah ok, i started chatting in -arm, if you want to take over.
[19:48] <cjwatson> pitti: bug 720558 - do you want non-Xen tests as well, or do you think Xen tests are enough?
[19:48] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 720558 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 7 other projects) "Ubuntu 10.04 currently requires groot= workaround with pvgrub (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/720558
[19:50] <cjwatson> (obv. I need to test maverick and natty too)
[19:57] <doko> please could somebody approve openjdk-6? JamVM fixes, one CACAO fix and three OpenJDK fixes
[19:58] <infinity> doko: Let me look.
[20:09] <infinity> La la la, gnome3.20 flood...
[20:51] <cyphermox> could someone please ack network-manager-applet?
[20:55] <infinity> cyphermox: I don't see how it's at all improved over pitti's previous complaints.
[20:55] <infinity> Oh, unless I'm reading the diff wrong.  Need more context.
[20:55] <cyphermox> ah? I moved the files over into a -common package as suggested
[20:55]  * infinity downloads the full source.
[20:55] <infinity> Yeah, but what depends on the -common?
[20:55] <cyphermox> libnm-gtk0. did I screw this up again?
[20:56] <infinity> Yeah.
[20:56] <cyphermox> dah!
[20:56] <infinity> You depend on a -common (= ${binary:Version}) ...
[20:56] <infinity> In essence, you've moved nothing, just created a new package. :P
[20:56] <infinity> Because libnm-gtk0 and libnm-gtk1 will still not be co-installable.
[20:56] <infinity> Which was the complaint.
[20:58] <infinity> Does the library actually require those two unversioned files to run?
[20:58] <infinity> Or to be loaded usefully.
[20:58] <infinity> Or is it just the applet that needs them?
[20:59] <cyphermox> the library does
[20:59] <infinity> Seriously? :/
[20:59] <cyphermox> at least wifi.ui; since it's used to display the dialogs the library is meant to display
[21:00] <infinity> In that case, you're going to have to give them versioned paths.
[21:00] <infinity> And then you can safely put them in the library package.
[21:00] <cyphermox> but why not just keep them in this -common package? afaik it does follow policy (section 8.2 iirc)
[21:00] <cyphermox> I was looking this up again this morning
[21:01] <cyphermox> I thought I only screwed up the dependency
[21:04] <infinity> Well, the common package only works if (A) you fix the dependency, but more importantly (B) those files will work with newer versions of the library.
[21:05] <infinity> (Or, more to the point, newer versions of those files will work with older libraries)
[21:05] <infinity> If that backward compat isn't guaranteed, just versioning the files and stuffing them in the library package is reasonable.
[21:05] <infinity> If upgrading to libnm-gtk1 makes libnm-gtk0 fail to function, then we've won nothing with the split.
[21:06] <cyphermox> From what I know these files should work with older versions, that part doesn't worry me
[21:07] <infinity> If you're fairly sure of that, then yeah, your only bug here is the dependency.
[21:07] <cyphermox> please reject it, I'll fix this
[21:08] <infinity> Rejected.
[21:08] <cyphermox> fwiw, I do see the issue with the dependency, sorry about that
[21:14] <cjwatson> pitti,SpamapS: it turned out I already had a debian-installer/natty-proposed upload staged (for some time), so I uploaded that
[22:02] <cyphermox> infinity:  ^ I think this covers it all now.
[22:05] <doko> slangasek, why not qemu-linaro 2011.09?
[22:06] <slangasek> doko: because I haven't tested 2011.09 at all yet and time is short
[22:06] <slangasek> I really don't want to go through another round of ppa tests, etc. to get this done


[01:03] <Hobbsee> err.  who's responsible for the example content on the live cds and installed system?
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: The four people listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ExampleContent might be a good-ish start, although the package maintainer is listed as ArtworkTeam, and some of those folks (eg Jane) aren't around anymore, so I'm not sure.
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> s/four/three/
[01:06] <Hobbsee> mmm, OK
[01:06] <Hobbsee> looks like the speex file wont actually play on a default ubuntu install
[01:08] <pwnguin> Maintainer: Ubuntu Artwork Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:08] <pwnguin> would be a good place to hit i think
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hm, OK
[01:09] <Hobbsee> oh, you can force open it - apparently it has the wrong suffix
[01:18] <Hobbsee> okay, do we have a feed reader that *doesnt* suck?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> liferea keeps marking my feeds as new
[01:18] <Hobbsee> and i cant delete the articles, as it just redownloads them again, and marks them as new
[01:21] <Fujitsu> /win/win 8
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[01:23] <ajmitch> you won?
[01:23] <RAOF> Everyone won!
[01:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: google reader
[01:25] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I did.
[01:25] <pwnguin> any idea which files to look at to determine which ubuntu release was used to install?
[01:26] <ajmitch> pwnguin: /etc/lsb-release, which the lsb_release tool looks at
[01:26] <pwnguin> isnt that the current version?
[01:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That changes on upgrades.
[01:26] <pwnguin> i had just been using an oldest file on FS heuristic
[01:27] <pwnguin> but i figure there might be something in /var/log
[01:27] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: right, I was thinking he meant the current release, sorry
[01:28] <pwnguin> hmm. from /var/log/syslog: May  8 06:00:09 (none) syslog.warn klogd: Linux version <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 (buildd@terranova) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9ubuntu5)) #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Nice and old.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Hoary?
[01:31] <pwnguin> im thinking warty
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Dapper was .12.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> I think Breezy was .10.
[01:31]  * Fujitsu checks.
[01:31] <pwnguin> grep Warty questions.dat  cdname = Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)
[01:32] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[01:32] <Fujitsu> Nice.
[01:32] <pwnguin> runs gutsy now
[01:32] <Fujitsu> Oops, Dapper was .15.
[01:32] <zul> breezy was .12
[01:33] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[01:33] <Fujitsu> I knew one of them was .12.
[01:33] <zul> hoary was .10
[01:33] <pwnguin> all i know is that /var/log/debian-installer doesn't even exist on my laptop
[01:33]  * zul should know I did kernel security patches for those kernels at one point
[01:34] <pwnguin> brutal
[01:35] <ajmitch> zul: but you had so much fun doing it
[02:11] <Ahmuck> !package
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[02:12] <Ahmuck> !deb
[02:12] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[02:12] <Ahmuck> !apt
[02:12] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[02:12] <Hobbsee> !msgthebot
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[03:18] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: http://risujin.org/cellwriter/
[03:22] <pwnguin> neat
[03:25] <pwnguin> Burgundavia: how old is that?
[03:26] <Burgundavia> very youung
[03:27] <Keybuk> Burgundavia: you can't be that young
[03:27] <Keybuk> you were young in Mataro
[03:27] <Burgundavia> I am still young
[03:28] <pwnguin> hmm. indeed, its in debian as of september
[03:28] <Burgundavia> it looks interesting as a target for the mobile people
[03:28] <pwnguin> heck, it looks interesting as a target for my tablet
[03:29] <Burgundavia> that too
[03:29] <Keybuk> dasher++
[03:30]  * popey had fun with lowfat on his laptop today
[03:30] <popey> well, to be fair maclosw had fun with it
[03:30] <popey> near wet himself
[03:32] <pwnguin> dasher's neat, but its not very well integrated
[03:32] <Burgundavia> dasher rocks
[03:33] <pwnguin> TIP rocks. dasher is merely neat, unless you happen to fit one of the categories they designed it for
[03:37] <pwnguin> wth
[03:37] <pwnguin> the debian cellwriter package depends on hurd
[03:39] <Fujitsu> pwnguin: Only on hurd-i386.
[03:40] <Fujitsu> But one would think hurd would be Essential on such an arch, anyway.
[03:44] <ion_> Cellwriter seems nice. (This was written with it.)
[03:46] <pwnguin> you just install the debian version, or sync it?
[03:48] <ion_> I just installed the deb from the program’s website.
[03:48] <ion_> And now i removed it, since i don’t have a touchscreen. :-)
[03:48] <pwnguin> ive got a wacom
[03:48] <ion_> I should buy one some day.
[03:49] <ion_> A wacom, that is.
[03:49] <pwnguin> it came with the laptop
[03:49] <pwnguin> not cheap btw
[03:51] <Ahmuck> wacom are about 70.00
[03:52] <pwnguin> they're a lot more if you want one build into the screen with a capable 3d GPU
[03:52] <pwnguin> mostly because the market is smaller i guess
[03:53] <ion_> I’ll be happy with the cheapest wacom pad available. :-)
[03:54] <ion_> One built into a TFT screen would be awesome, of course, but i rather put my money to things like food. ;-)
[03:54] <pwnguin> the cheap pads dont have displays integrated
[03:54] <Ahmuck> wacom bamboo - 70.00, though i would recommend the wacom bamboo fun
[03:54] <slangasek> StevenK: hah, dexter singled you out as having a vendetta against yada? :)
[03:55] <StevenK> So it would seem.
[03:55] <ajmitch> poor yada
[03:55] <ajmitch> so sad & unloved
[03:55] <StevenK> Poor me
[04:28] <Keybuk> http://quest.netsplit.com/~scott/uds-boston-2007/2007-10-31/index.html
[04:28] <Keybuk> err
[04:28] <Keybuk> no
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> from pytz import timezone
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> tz = timezone("US/Eastern")
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> tz._utcoffset
[04:28] <Keybuk> datetime.timedelta(-1, 68400)
[04:28] <Keybuk> >>> 68400 / 3600
[04:28] <Keybuk> 19
[04:28] <Keybuk> GRR @ PYTHON
[09:30] <pwnguin> Cellwriter is verra nice. It's even instrumented to tell how long a given character took to recognize
[09:38] <ion_> I’d like it to have a hybird input+learning mode. When you draw a letter, it could automatically add what you drew to the letter it came up with (or what you chose to correct it).
[09:38] <pwnguin> it does
[09:38] <pwnguin> right click
[09:38] <ion_> Ok, neat.
[09:40] <pwnguin> its also not clear, but training takes more than one entry
[09:40] <ion_> How is right click related?
[09:40] <pwnguin> as you write, the character gets darker
[09:40] <pwnguin> ion_: if you right click on a cell, it brings up a correction menu
[09:40] <ion_> Yes.
[09:40] <pwnguin> if you make a correction, it takes that into consideration
[09:41] <pwnguin> the paper said it discards all the higher strokes it found
[09:49] <ion_> Nope, it doesn’t seem to learn when drawing characters in input mode.
[09:50] <pwnguin> well, I'd have to review the code, but there's definately a "train on input" option
[09:51] <havoque>  is there some boot parameter that should be entered at the gutsy install prompt to force the use of old pata drivers, because with the default install options the new libata subsystem loads, thus treating my hdd as sda instead of hda, and imposes a limit of 15 partitions, i have 20, and want to install gutsy in hda17(/) and hda 18 (/home)?
[09:51] <ion_> Ok, it seems to learn when pressing enter. I didn’t test that.
[09:51] <pwnguin> hmm
[09:51] <pwnguin> interesting
[09:51] <havoque> i really don't know where to ask this question
[09:52] <pwnguin> ion_: that should probably be fixed =/ along with the docking mode
[09:52] <pwnguin> fullscreen'd apps should really respect the lower dock
[09:52] <ion_> I don’t think it’s wrong to defer the learning until enter is hit.
[09:53] <pwnguin> well, its not exactly obvious ;)
[09:54] <pwnguin> are there any handwriting fonts like comic sans without the stigma?
[09:57] <havoque> anyone?
[09:58] <pwnguin> havoque: most developers are at MIT right now sleeping
[09:59] <ion_> It also might be a good idea to have an initial set of learned data for each character. Using the train-while-inputting mode, the user’s handwriting style should override any differences quicly.
[10:00] <havoque> sorry, didn't realize the huge time difference between here and "there"
[10:00] <pwnguin> havoque: its 6am there. in a few hours or so you might get a bite, or try #ubuntu
[10:01] <pwnguin> ion_: theres only one developer that I can see, and that makes sense, but its only been out for a month or so.
[10:04] <havoque> i'll check back later, thanx
[10:26] <ion_> pwnguin: CellWriter really should add a new input row one character sooner, in case the user wants to input a space as the row’s last character.
[12:51] <pitti> Good morning
[12:51] <Hobbsee> guten morgen pitti!  Wie gehts?
[12:56] <pitti> Hobbsee: wohooo! Much better, thanks!
[12:56] <pitti> Hobbsee: und Du?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> pitti: too much bier?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> pitti: gut.  upgraded to hardy.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> don't know if i should reboot :)
[12:58] <pitti> Hobbsee: oh, adventurous
[12:58] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[12:58] <Hobbsee> i did for gutsy too - and that really was adventurous, as there was no wired connection :)
[12:58] <sbalneav> bier?  Lets hope not! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bier
[12:59] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:59] <Hobbsee> die Deutsch Bier!
[12:59] <pitti> Hobbsee: "Das deutsche Bier" :)
[13:05] <Hobbsee_> ruddy thing.
[13:05] <Hobbsee_> gah!!!
[13:05] <Hobbsee> sbalneav: how much got thru?
[13:06] <Hobbsee> morning seb128.  you havent broken enough.
[13:07] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: don't worry, I will
[13:07] <seb128> hi Hobbsee
[13:07] <seb128> Hobbsee: broken what?
[13:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: :P
[13:07] <Hobbsee> hiya seb128
[13:07] <Hobbsee> seb128: well, when upgrading to hardy, i expect *something* to break.
[13:08] <seb128> Hobbsee: maybe you might make this something be KDE? ;-)
[13:08] <Hobbsee> seb128: eparse.
[13:09] <seb128> Hobbsee: maybe you can make this something be KDE? ;-)
[13:09]  * seb128 needs coffee
[13:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: ahhh.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> seb128: i dont think Riddell would be very happy
[13:10] <jdong> KoffEE?
[13:10]  * Hobbsee ntoes that's a *really* weird sentence construct.
[13:10] <Amaranth> jdong: when are you going to come over here?
[13:10] <jdong> Amaranth: how about after I fail my exam today and finish my homework due Friday tonight? :)
[13:10] <seb128> Hobbsee: weird like in incorrect or non common? ;-)
[13:11] <Hobbsee> seb128: non-common.  it's still correct.
[13:11] <Amaranth> jdong: If you're going to fail just skip it. ;)
[13:11] <jdong> Amaranth: lol, this is chemistry, not the Compiz blacklist :)
[13:11] <seb128> Hobbsee: ok ;-)
[13:12] <Hobbsee> guten morgen, dholbach
[13:12] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[13:13] <dholbach> Hobbsee: how are you doing?
[13:13]  * Hobbsee throws spam at jsgotangco
[13:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: good.  upgraded to hardy.  worked on assignment.
[13:13] <dholbach> Hobbsee: rock on!
[13:13]  * dholbach hugs Hobbsee
[13:14]  * Hobbsee hugs dholbach
[13:17] <jsgotangco> :P
[13:18] <wshaddix> is ath5k in the backports repo for gutsy yet?
[13:23] <imbrandon> someone kick jono and tell him to speak-up
[13:23] <imbrandon> *please*
[13:23] <imbrandon> jcastro ^^
[13:25] <jono> imbrandon: will do
[13:27] <imbrandon> :)
[13:35] <^robertj> is the hwdb working ?i've just checked a few random entries and none are showing cpu/memory
[13:35] <zul> hey BenC
[13:35] <BenC> hey
[13:40] <imbrandon> jono, http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:44] <desrt> jamiemcc; hey
[13:44] <jamiemcc> hi desrt
[13:44] <desrt> jamiemcc; rob just proposed a tracker review spec at UDS
[13:45] <jamiemcc> review?
[13:45] <desrt> jamiemcc; might want to keep your eye on the schedule and considering voiping in for that one
[13:45] <desrt> jamiemcc; just a "how is it working out?" type thing
[13:45] <jamiemcc> ah right
[13:47] <desrt> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/tracker-review
[13:47] <jamiemcc> desrt: sounds good - thx
[13:48] <soren> I got a Reject e-mail about a package I have no recollection of attempting to upload.. Has anyone else seen this?
[13:49]  * ^robertj fantasizes about using nautilus to search for top highest mtimes
[13:51] <Hobbsee> soren: to ppa?
[13:51] <Hobbsee> soren: for a group you belong to?
[13:54] <soren> Hobbsee: Nono, Ubuntu proper.
[13:54] <Hobbsee> soren: odd.
[13:55] <soren> Quite
[13:55] <soren> It claimed that I attempted to upload the Debian versio nof signing-party and now rejects it, because it's already in Ubuntu (due to auto-sync, probably)
[13:55] <Hobbsee> right...
[13:57] <soren> Hobbsee: Ah, I may have filed a sync-request for it.
[13:58] <Kmos> how about "requestsync" to add tag "sync" automatically when filed a bug report ?
[13:58] <soren> Hobbsee: I suppose if someone attempted to sync it twice, this is what would happen.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> soren: i think they tried to ack them twice.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Kmos: what's the point?
[13:59] <Kmos> Hobbsee: when search for "sync" in LP to get all of them
[14:00]  * Hobbsee wonders why you want to
[14:00] <Hobbsee> can tags even be done by email now?
[14:01] <Kmos> Hobbsee: need to check that first, i just want to know first
[14:01] <pitti> StevenK: /usr/bin/ubuntu-bug
[14:02] <Kmos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags -> doesn't have "sync" tag anymore listed
[14:02] <StevenK> pitti: Ah
[14:02] <Hobbsee> which means that it's a not a valid tag anymore.
[14:02] <Kmos> yeah
[14:02] <Kmos> so forget :)
[14:03] <sridhar> hi everbody, I need to create live come install CD for our distro which is based on debian, but iam following the procedure of "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization", but iam getiing error, while loading kernel " /init: .: 163: Can't open /scripts/casper  Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" plz
[14:10] <tobias_> Anyone working on the merges for hardy yet?
[14:11] <Keybuk> tobias_: many people
[14:11] <tobias_> Keybuk: Great! I assumed eerybody to be at the devsumit:-)
[14:11] <bddebian> Heya
[14:12] <Keybuk> we are
[14:12] <Hobbsee> most of you are, anyway :P
[14:13] <tobias_> Ah, so everybody is busy with other stuff.
[14:13] <tobias_> Hobbsee: They did not invite you?
[14:13] <Hobbsee> tobias_: they did, but i turned it down due to a complicated uni subject that i'm taking this semester, which i'm hating :(
[14:14]  * tobias_ comforts Hobbsee.
[14:14] <gdiebel> Someone here that uses thunderbird please answer a question: Does it work with auto offline backend? What I mean is if you pull your network cable or disconnect from wireless while tb is in online mode, does it detect the change and switch over to offline mode? It works this way in windows and the code is supposed to work in linux, with a necko component that talks to networkmanager. The implementation bug is closed so pe
[14:15]  * Hobbsee checks topic, and notes that gdiebel got cut off
[14:21] <pitti> mjg59: ah, wrt. hal doc symlinks: the current cdbs is correct, the upgrade just breaks because in gutsy someone symlinked the *entire* doc directory across packages (which is evil); I'll fix that in a preinst
[14:21] <pitti> mjg59: thanks for pointing that out
[14:23] <mjg59> pitti: Sweet, thanks
[14:58] <bddebian> pitti: Do you happen to have any special affinity for clanbomber?
[14:59] <pitti> bddebian: well, I'm still the official Debian maintainer for it
[14:59] <pitti> bddebian: unfortunately upstream pretty much stopped developing it
[15:00] <bddebian> pitti: Aye, that's why I am asking.  Do you have any interest in moving maintainership to the Debian Games Team?
[15:00] <bddebian> Also, do you happen to know if it builds with the newer clanlib 0.8 ?
[15:00] <pitti> bddebian: oh, not at all
[15:01] <pitti> bddebian: hm, I don't think I tried it with 0.8
[15:01] <bddebian> pitti: Well it hasn't been uploaded yet because of clanbomber, pingus, and epiphany
[15:02] <pitti> bddebian: if you want to move it to alioth and change Maintainer: etc. to the team, please go ahead
[15:02] <pitti> bddebian: I might not have time to do this in this week, due to UDS and all that
[15:02] <soren> jdong: Could you pass me the link to the pbuilder patch again, please?
[15:02] <bddebian> pitti: Great, I'll play around with it and ping you whenever I have a package and such, thanks
[15:02] <pitti> bddebian: awesome, thanks
[15:09] <jdong> soren: bug 157867
[15:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157867 in pbuilder "pdebuild-internal broken when XSBC-Orig-Maintainer used because of faulty sed command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157867
[15:10] <soren> jdong: Thanks very much. I'll upload in a few minutes.
[15:10] <soren> No, really.
[15:10] <jdong> soren: no, thank _you_ :)
[15:14]  * soren have only just now realised that it's an SRU
[15:14]  * soren grumbles
[15:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[15:14] <Hobbsee> you and i share the same opinion of SRU's, it seems
[15:15] <jdong> soren: meh apply the patch to Hardy first, since it's easier
[15:15] <jdong> soren: as far as the SRU it'd be nice but not required
[15:15] <soren> jdong: It would have to be applied to Hardy, I guess.
[15:15] <soren> first, that is.
[15:15] <jdong> soren: I think I (backports/prevu) am the only one who uses pdebuild-internal anyway, so I can just have hardy pbuilder backported
[15:17] <soren> that would be much appreciated.
[15:18] <jdong> soren: sure thing; I understand SRU for main can be a royal pain
[15:18] <soren> This is fun. 0.174ubuntu2 is timestamped earlier than 0.174ubuntu1 now. Meh.
[15:18] <jdong> soren: also, I'm grossly phobic of the Debian BTS, could you be so kind as to forward this to Debian?
[15:19] <soren> jdong: Sure.
[15:19] <jdong> thanks
[15:19] <soren> I share your phobia, though.
[15:22] <lool> Did some people have success in dist-upgrading to hardy?  Would it be crazy to do so now?
[15:22] <soren> lool: You're still on gutsy?!?!  :-P
[15:23] <persia> lool: The trick is to upgrade when the archive is still frozen: that way there's no problems to encounter
[15:23] <Hobbsee> lool: i had success
[15:23] <Hobbsee> lool: only thing that's broken appears to be software sources, due to no distribution template.
[15:23] <freeflying> Hobbsee: so brave :)
[15:24]  * lool puts his French hat on, hugs Hobbsee and goes dist upgrading
[15:24]  * Hobbsee hugs lool back
[15:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i did for gutsy too.  but that was more risky, without a wired connection
[15:25] <`23meg> Hobbsee, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598387
[15:26] <Hobbsee> `23meg: sounds useful
[15:27] <`23meg> Hobbsee, if enough people join in, yes
[15:28] <`23meg> Hobbsee, we can have "hug weeks" of sorts, focusing on different areas in each
[15:28] <Hobbsee> no, if they're joining and participating *well*
[15:35] <soren> jdong: Pushed to hardy, and filed in bts. Thanks.
[15:37] <soren> jdong: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448757 for reference.
[15:47] <Mithrandir> StevenK: do you have your modest packaging somewhere?
[15:48] <Hobbsee> uh oh, sabdfl here.  everyone behave!
[15:48] <slangasek> sabdfl: behave
[15:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: heya, when do you want to discuss the sponsorship queue?
[15:48] <liw> beehive? everyone wear a net!
[15:49]  * Hobbsee cowers under a rock
[15:49] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Yes. On my home machine. :-)
[15:49] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I'm in a session right now. what do you want to discuss about it?
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: oh, you're in the community one?  right.
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: the handing of it over to you.
[15:50] <dholbach> Hobbsee: it will always be a thing we have to attack as a team
[15:50] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I certainly spend time on it, but I can't be the SPOF for that one
[15:50] <pipegeek> Hi, folks
[15:50] <Hobbsee> dholbach: SPOF?
[15:50] <dholbach> single point of failure
[15:51]  * persia notes that Hobbsee is likely speaking about administration, rather than actual sponsoring
[15:51] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[15:51] <Hobbsee> dholbach: sure, but i fully intend to deactivate myself after losing admin rights, so that'll be up to you and the rest of the team
[15:51]  * Hobbsee can continue doing mailing list admin, no problem
[15:51]  * dholbach hugs Hobbsee
[15:51] <Hobbsee> but, i dont relaly want to be on that sponsors list.
[15:51] <dholbach> thanks for your work on that
[15:51] <Mithrandir> StevenK: could you put it in a tarfile on teh intarweb somewhere?
[15:51] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I could.
[15:51] <Mithrandir> StevenK: thanks. :-)
[15:51] <dholbach> Hobbsee: once the dust settles here a bit, I'll definitely start a new call for help on it
[15:51] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you're welcome.  but i've had more than enough of it, i'm afraid.
[15:52] <pipegeek> I seem to remember there was a but in network-manager-pptp in feisty, that caused atypical dns configurations to break.  Particularly, if DNS peering was disabled for a connection, network-manager would overwrite /etc/resolv.conf with a blank file until the tunnel was disconnected
[15:52] <Hobbsee> particularly as the S/N ratio has decreased
[15:52] <pipegeek> I just checked.... it seems to still be that way in gutsy.  Why?
[15:52] <dholbach> Hobbsee: that's fine, it's great you helped out so long
[15:52] <pipegeek> or am I missing something
[15:53] <pipegeek> err, a bug
[15:53] <pipegeek> not a butt
[15:53] <Hobbsee> dholbach: when's the next MC meeting?
[15:53] <tobias_> pipegeek: Probably because nobody found the time to fix it:-(
[15:53]  * Hobbsee has now read email
[15:53] <pipegeek> sad -.-
[15:53] <StevenK> dholbach: I suspect I will step down from UUS adminshp too
[15:53] <tobias_> pipegeek: Yes, I agree. My pet bugs were not fixed either;-)
[15:53] <pipegeek> mayhaps I should try 'n submit a patch
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: sheesh, double bad news for the day
[15:54] <dholbach> Hobbsee: I sent a mail to all the members
[15:54] <pipegeek> if it hasn't already been fixed upstream
[15:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: next you're going to tell him that it's flooded?
[15:54] <tobias_> pipegeek: That does help sometimes.
[15:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: how?
[15:54] <Mithrandir> lool: I tested hildon-desktop, stuff does not seem to have blown up.
[15:54] <dholbach> Hobbsee: hm?
[15:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what did you use to send the mail?  mailing list?
[15:54] <dholbach> Hobbsee: all the members of the MC about the meeting time
[15:54] <tobias_> pipegeek: I'd wait for the debian merge though. Maybe they have fixed it already.
[15:54] <Hobbsee> dholbach: ah right
[15:54] <StevenK> Oh yeah, now I'll tell dholbach his hotel room is flooded
[15:55] <dholbach> StevenK: let's talk about it in the corridor
[15:55] <pipegeek> tobias_: not terribly familiar with the inner workings of ubuntu.... does this mean wait for hardy?
[15:55] <StevenK> dholbach: I'm in session right now
[15:55] <norsetto> Any core-dev with some time to spare, pls. have a look at bug 136634. It contains an SRU proposal for a package in main. Thank you
[15:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136634 in libcompress-zlib-perl "Unable to download packages using Gutsy debmirror" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136634
[15:55] <dholbach> StevenK: yeah, when we meet, not now :)
[15:55] <tobias_> pipegeek: Nope. First thing each release is to sync with debian.
[15:55] <norsetto> Hi dholbach :-)
[15:55] <pipegeek> aaah
[15:55] <dholbach> heya norsetto
[15:55] <pipegeek> figured that happened before
[15:55] <StevenK> Mithrandir: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/modest/
[15:56] <tobias_> pipegeek: No, that is happening right now.
[15:56] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Mostly based on upstreams crappy packaging.
[15:56] <tobias_> Once that is done is a great time to send in patches.
[15:56] <dholbach> bbl
[15:56] <pipegeek> this confuses me---so, ubuntu releases, but then changes all the package versions by syncing to debian?
[15:56]  * Hobbsee unmoderates stuff on ubuntu-devel again
[15:57] <pipegeek> bah, google and the ubuntu wiki will help ease my confusion
[15:57] <pipegeek> thanks, tobias_
[15:57] <tobias_> pipegeek: gutsy was released. Now everything is synced from debian into hardy. Once that is done the stuff will get stabilized and then released.
[15:57] <pipegeek> aaaaah
[15:57] <pipegeek> so we *are* talking about hardy
[15:57] <tobias_> pipegeek: Yes. Getting changes into a released version seems to be challenging;-)
[15:57] <pipegeek> hehe
[15:58] <pipegeek> understandable
[15:58] <pipegeek> 'specially when they're potentially security-bug inducing
[15:58] <dholbach> see you later
[16:02]  * tobias_ heads home. See you.
[16:26] <lool> Mithrandir: Was this on upgrade or a fresh image?
[16:27] <lool> Mithrandir: Both are supposed to work, but I'm interested in hearing about upgrades going fine; the ~/.osso copy is something we need to be aware of: we're committing to support whatever people end up with therein forever
[16:27] <Riddell> bryyce: can you remind me where the bullet proof X script is?
[16:28] <Riddell> or bryce as appropriate
[16:28]  * lool dist-upgrade to hardy without any issue yet
[16:28] <Solarion> can anyone verify this bug: in bc, divide 4048 by 412
[16:28] <Solarion> erm, 512
[16:29] <lool> Solarion: So what?
[16:29] <Solarion> lool: what do you get?
[16:29] <lool> Solarion: 7
[16:29] <lool> Solarion: You want scale=6 first, or 4096 I guess
[16:29] <elmo> Solarion: bc -l
[16:30] <Solarion> heh
[16:30] <Mithrandir> lool: upgrade, this is my Q1 with loads of stuff on it
[16:30] <lool> Mithrandir: Great news then
[16:30] <lool> Mithrandir: I think you can push it to hardy then if you have some minuets
[16:31] <Solarion> I'm just stupid; nm
[16:31] <Riddell> bryyce: found it in /etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[16:47] <StevenK> Mithrandir: News about modest changing, give me about ten
[16:47] <Mithrandir> woo
[16:48] <Burgundavia> Mithrandir: did you get my link last night?
[16:49] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: I did, thanks.
[16:49] <Burgundavia> no problem
[16:49] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: seems like it needs a bit of love to be a hildon input method, but that should be doable.
[16:50] <Burgundavia> yep
[16:54] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Mirror at home exploded, ten is more like thirty
[16:54] <Mithrandir> StevenK: no problem
[16:54] <Mithrandir> well, sure, no problem for me, that is
[16:55] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Can you hand me some gaffa tape? :-)
[16:59] <Mithrandir> StevenK: HTH, HAND
[18:28] <tonyyarusso> doko, cjwatson_ : Would you be willing to reconsider Bug #34961?  While I understand that it is more convenient for new home users who want to share a file with their brother or something, convenience for the uninformed user doesn't sound like the usual criteria applied for security-related decisions.  I can confirm that reasonably competent users are not always aware that this is the case, since I just pointed it out to one, and caus
[18:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34961 in adduser "Deny read access to other users' home directories by default" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/34961
[18:47] <Riddell> pitti: new kdesudo in gutsy-proposed for your approval
[18:47] <Riddell> bug 155032
[18:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 155032 in kdesudo "kdesu ownership change" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155032
[18:47] <pitti> Riddell: ok; I'll do a SRU session later today
[18:50] <norsetto> pitti: I don't know if you saw my previous message, but please consider bug 136634 too in the SRU session
[18:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136634 in libcompress-zlib-perl "Unable to download packages using Gutsy debmirror" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136634
[18:50] <pitti> norsetto: I'll consider everything that's pending in the queues
[18:51] <norsetto> pittI: well, unless someone uploads it it will not be pending then ;-)
[18:53] <pitti> norsetto: hm, then better find a sponsor soon :) (sorry, I'm in a meeting now)
[18:54] <norsetto> pitti: sure,np,thats why I pinged here hoping to find a good soul ......
[18:55] <sladen> calc: http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks
[18:55] <LaserJock> norsetto: what do you need?
[18:56] <pitti> norsetto: was it that debmirror SRU?
[18:56] <norsetto> I need a core-dev to have a llok at bug 136634 and eventually sponsor the debdiff to gutsy-proposed
[18:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136634 in libcompress-zlib-perl "Unable to download packages using Gutsy debmirror" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136634
[18:56] <norsetto> pitti: yes
[18:56] <pitti> norsetto: oh, I'll love you SOO much if you get that fixed!
[18:56] <pitti> norsetto: this has bitten me as well
[18:57] <norsetto> pitti: well, its fixed, I have it working on my pc :-)
[19:01] <LaserJock> pitti: do you have time to sponsor it?
[19:02] <pitti> norsetto: ok, patch manglified for SRU and approved
[19:02] <pitti> norsetto: can you tweak the changelog to be human readable, too?
[19:02] <pitti> norsetto: the solution explanation is fine, but it should also explain the impact
[19:03] <pitti> norsetto: like "Fixes debmirror blabla"
[19:03] <pitti> norsetto: I can sponsor it in a bit, yes
[19:03] <norsetto> pitti: sure
[19:07] <pitti> norsetto: btw, exceptionally good SRU request
[19:08] <norsetto> pitti: thanks :-)
[19:10] <pitti> Riddell: btw, do you know about the kdevelop gutsy-proposed upload? changelog does not have a LP bug and the change does not really look SRU worthy
[19:11] <pitti> Riddell: kdesudo accepted, thank you
[19:11] <Riddell> pitti: fooey, it should be bug 156654
[19:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156654 in kdevelop "UI Lag in 3.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156654
[19:11] <Riddell> thanks
[19:12] <calc> sladen: thx
[19:12] <Riddell> pitti: unresponsive UI should be SRU worthy?
[19:12] <pitti> Riddell: the changelog didn't make it sound that bad, and I didn't have other data
[19:13] <Riddell> there's no upstream bug which is a paid for paper trail
[19:14] <pitti> Riddell: ok, fair enough
[19:14] <Riddell> s/paid/pain/
[19:14] <Riddell> pitti: should I reupload with the LP bug in the changelog?
[19:15] <pitti> Riddell: too late, nevermind
[19:15] <Riddell> ok
[19:16] <pitti> oh, universe
[19:21] <pitti> norsetto: I'm through with all other SRU stuff, I could do the sponsoring now
[19:24] <liw> pitti, norsetto: oh, this is the debmirror problem? yay! getting that fixed will help my QA work (I run my mirror on Debian at the moment and it makes things slightly more complicated)
[19:24] <pitti> liw: indeed!
[19:25] <pitti> norsetto: I beautify the changelog myself now
[19:26] <pitti> liw: I'm currently calling debmirror in my feisty chroot *blush*
[19:27] <pitti> liw: looks like you are an ideal candidate to do the verification for the -proposed package then :)
[19:27] <liw> pitti, not until I get back home, but yeah
[19:46] <LaserJock> I use reprepro for mirroring
[19:47] <LaserJock> has anybody ever seen any speed comparison between different mirroring apps
[19:47] <LaserJock> or efficiency comparison
[19:47] <LaserJock> I'd think they'd all be about the same
[20:09] <StevenK> Mithrandir: So, can you have a quick dig for libosso-systemui-dbus-dev?
[20:19] <Mithrandir> StevenK: sure.  But I can't see the URL for your modest stuff
[20:21] <StevenK> Mithrandir: So it would seem my memory is on crack, sorry.
[20:21] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I put it up, and then didn't tell you. http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/modest/
[20:23] <Mithrandir> StevenK: thank you
[20:25] <Mithrandir> StevenK: look at http://austinche.name/maemo/powerlaunch/ for info on systemui.
[20:26] <Mithrandir> and possibly what we want
[21:09] <Mithrandir> StevenK: libwpeditor-plus-dev seems to not be packaged, do you have a copy of that?
[21:10] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Yes.
[21:10] <Mithrandir> could I have, kthx?
[21:11] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Dumped into the same directory
[21:11] <StevenK> Now I'm running upstairs for some headache medication
[21:11] <Mithrandir> enjoy
[21:11] <Mithrandir> and thanks
[23:54] <davf> Where/can I d/l the latest gutsy generic kernel tree?
[23:54] <zul> kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[23:55] <davf> This is the full compiled tree in a deb?
[23:56] <spasticteapot> What's this I hear about a "tickless" kernel?


[00:45] <Yick> hello
[04:37] <asterismo> hi people
[04:37] <asterismo> still asking for help with this bug
[04:37] <asterismo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/874774
[04:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874774 in cryptsetup "could not mount /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" [High,Triaged]
[04:38] <asterismo> my machine refuses to boot up even with the applied patches
[04:47] <asterismo> can anyone help me_
[04:47] <asterismo> ?
[04:53] <holstein> i would probably just not do encrytion that way... maybe just use truecrypt.. the only time i ever used encryption like that, i was getting that message, but i never thought twice about it since the machine booted
[04:59] <asterismo> i suppose that the default encryption that ubuntu provides at install menu is safe enough to not loose data in cases like this
[05:00] <asterismo> now there is some buggy script that doesn't recognizes encrypted partitions... and mountall hangs plymouth and i cannot enter in my desktop since thursday
[05:00] <asterismo> i tried to apply a patch in the bug report but it did not worked
[05:00] <asterismo> i keep running apt-get updates
[05:00] <asterismo> but nothing
[05:02] <asterismo> i see now that encryption still very immature in ubuntu
[05:02] <asterismo> so i'm seriously reconsidering in formatting all and reinstall without encryption
[05:11] <holstein> asterismo: not sure.. its worked OK for me so far
[05:12] <holstein> i just didnt act on any error messages though.. i had one, and got around it OK
[05:12] <holstein> mostly i just use truecrypt
[05:23] <asterismo> do you know anyway to log in to my desktop without loading mountall and plymouth??
[05:47] <mr_gees100_peas> hi all. I'm having problems with video in both chromimum and firefox
[05:47] <mr_gees100_peas> Video playes fine in youtube but choppy everywhere else
[05:47] <mr_gees100_peas> I tried flash-aid for forefox. that helped but it is inconsistent
[05:48] <mr_gees100_peas> video works fine in wondows XP
[05:48] <holstein> mr_gees100_peas: i would try turning comipiz on/off
[05:48] <mr_gees100_peas> how do I do that?
[05:48] <holstein> i would look into alternative drivers.. i would try some live CD's maybe for comparison.. comparing to XP really wont help
[05:49] <mr_gees100_peas> it does works fine in youtube.
[05:49] <holstein> mr_gees100_peas: cool
[05:50] <holstein> i think the live CD thing is the easiest path.. you can usually get flash installed just fine and you can try different kernels
[05:50] <holstein> mr_gees100_peas: if you are using ubuntu 11.10, you should have a "classic mode" or a "2d mode"... some other desktop availble at boot
[05:51] <holstein> i need to head out though... later
[05:51] <mr_gees100_peas> I've seen those listed
[05:51] <mr_gees100_peas> I'm using the gnome shell. Would that make a difference?
[05:54] <mr_gees100_peas> how do I access this compiz thing-a-majiger
[05:54] <mr_gees100_peas> ?
[05:56] <asterismo> holstein, can i ask you a question about patching?
[05:56] <mr_gees100_peas> me?
[05:58] <asterismo> how do you go to a specified line in vi or nano?
[05:59] <mr_gees100_peas> asterismo: in vi or vim press the number line then do capital G
[05:59] <mr_gees100_peas> asterismo: for example lets say I want to go to line 25. Just type 25G
[06:00] <mr_gees100_peas> it has to be capital G or shift-g
[06:00] <mr_gees100_peas> if you want to go to line 345 then just type 345G
[06:00] <mr_gees100_peas> think of G as Go
[06:01] <mr_gees100_peas> I think to be able to see the line number at least on vim then do then type :set number
[06:02] <mr_gees100_peas> just type. As soon as you hit the ":" the command will appear at the bottom of the screen then continue typing "number"
[06:03] <asterismo> got it
[06:03] <asterismo> thanks mr_gees100_peas
[06:03] <mr_gees100_peas> no problem
[06:17] <asterismo> is anyone familiar with the bug 874774
[06:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874774 in cryptsetup "could not mount /dev/mapper/cryptswap1" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874774
[06:24] <mr_gees100_peas> anybody can help with a video issue?
[06:25] <mr_gees100_peas> video in both chrome and firefox play choppy except in youtube. youtube seems to be the only place that works fine
[06:30] <mr_gees100_peas> no takers?
[06:42] <mr_gees100_peas> I'm having video playback problems in both firefox and chromium. I tried ubuntu 2D gnome classic no effect. I also tried flash-aid for firefox. Video plays fine in youtube but other videos are choppy.
[06:47] <philipballew> mr_gees100_peas,
[06:48] <philipballew> i can see whats up
[06:48] <mr_gees100_peas> yes
[06:48] <philipballew> your having flash issues?
[06:48] <philipballew> is that the root of the issue?
[06:49] <mr_gees100_peas> maybe. I did tried flash-aid and that help with youtube but other videos on other sites are still choppy
[06:49] <mr_gees100_peas> it seems that is a flash issue since the videos all use flash
[06:49] <philipballew> well first off, hows your cpu doin when flash id running?
[06:50] <mr_gees100_peas> hhmm, is there a way to monitor that?
[06:50] <philipballew> try htop
[06:50] <mr_gees100_peas> let me go try
[06:50] <philipballew> i installed that a few weeks back and its really cool
[06:50] <philipballew> sudo apt-get install htop
[06:51] <philipballew> how long you been running ubuntu?
[06:51] <mr_gees100_peas> about 2 weeks maybe 3
[06:52] <philipballew> okay. and what were you using before that?
[06:52] <mr_gees100_peas> windows XP
[06:52] <philipballew> okay. so your first month with ubuntu. How you likin it?
[06:53] <mr_gees100_peas> htop says flash plugin is about 30%
[06:53] <mr_gees100_peas> I like it except for the video problem.
[06:53] <mr_gees100_peas> I like that there is a huge community and the software install itself
[06:54] <mr_gees100_peas> and that you have a lot of control over what is going all.
[06:54] <mr_gees100_peas> going on not going all
[06:55] <philipballew> for sure. well flash is honestly a horrable program compared to html5, but what processor are you running?
[06:55] <philipballew> if only you lived in San diego, I would look at it over coffee.
[06:55] <mr_gees100_peas> right now just firefox, pidgi and htop
[06:56] <mr_gees100_peas> well, htop reports a bunch of stuff
[06:56] <philipballew> no, what type of proccessor do you have
[06:56] <philipballew> stuff is always running
[06:56] <mr_gees100_peas> oh sorry. intel pentium 4
[06:57] <philipballew> the pentuim 4 can be a reason behind it maybe
[06:57] <philipballew> on my debian box with that hardware flash full screen is messy.
[06:57] <mr_gees100_peas> 3GHz
[06:57] <mr_gees100_peas> do you think is because is an older machine
[06:58] <philipballew> possible.
[06:58] <mr_gees100_peas> it works fine in winXP.
[06:58] <philipballew> yeah, flash in linux is kinda bad. adobe is not very nice
[06:58] <philipballew> but check to make sure its not running in hd mose as well
[06:58] <mr_gees100_peas> well, fine is a strong word. The WIfe has some complaint when playing her games
[06:58] <philipballew> *mode
[06:58] <mr_gees100_peas> what is HD mode?
[06:59] <philipballew> the resolution on youtube
[07:00] <mr_gees100_peas> youtube runs fine
[07:00] <philipballew> i joined this. its nice! http://www.youtube.com/html5
[07:00] <mr_gees100_peas> I think is just regular mode
[07:00] <philipballew> okay. is this full screen as well as regular sized?
[07:01] <mr_gees100_peas> regular side.
[07:01] <mr_gees100_peas> size
[07:02] <philipballew> i see
[07:04] <mr_gees100_peas> hmm clicking play on the offending video made the cpu bar in htop go to 99.4%
[07:04] <philipballew> yeah, flash tends to eat up your cpu
[07:05] <philipballew> if i was flash your cpu would be a all your can eat Chinese buffet
[07:06] <mr_gees100_peas> hahaha good one
[07:12] <clarkthehardy910> my wireless card isnt being recognized on my new sammy intel i-3 core notebook. I've done hours of searching through forums, but still having trouble, can anyone point me in the right direction. Im dual booting lucid 10.04 and win7 on it, the solved firmware threads all refer to oneiric, so Im afraid to use it...proprietary drivers isnt showing anything
[07:13] <clarkthehardy910> its a centrino wireless-n 130
[07:13] <clarkthehardy910> thanks in advance
[07:19] <philipballew> clarkthehardy910, what do they say about it?
[07:19] <philipballew> do they say that there is no driver foe it or do they say that it just doesnt work in 10.04
[07:19] <philipballew> 11.10 is stable
[07:19] <philipballew> why are you afraid?
[07:19] <clarkthehardy910> im uneducated
[07:19] <clarkthehardy910> about it
[07:20] <philipballew> unity?
[07:20] <clarkthehardy910> so I can use firmware for something on a previous kernel?
[07:20] <clarkthehardy910> I barely know what Im talking about, im not a developer or programmer, Im just a slightly more capable user
[07:21] <clarkthehardy910> I love ubuntu because its stable, I like 10.04 because its LTS
[07:21] <philipballew> if the problem is that 10.04 doesnt have the driver in it, you can attempt to install drivers for it. but i am running 12.04 now
[07:21] <clarkthehardy910> i.ve got 11.10 on my desktop, but I'd rather keep an lts on my notebook
[07:22] <clarkthehardy910> I dont know how to interpret this thread, because the lingo is a bit above me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11773736  can it work for lucid distro?
[07:23] <philipballew> i can look
[07:23] <clarkthehardy910> if someone knows an easier solution, Im all for it, because I'm not exactly sure how to start at this one
[07:25] <clarkthehardy910> this thread includes building, and I've never done that before
[07:25] <philipballew> clarkthehardy910, paste lspci -vvv to http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:28] <clarkthehardy910> ok, just a moment longer
[07:29] <philipballew> no worries
[07:32] <clarkthehardy910> philipballew: http://paste.ubunt.com/909778
[07:33] <clarkthehardy910> sorry http://paste.ubuntu.com/909778/
[07:33] <philipballew> clarkthehardy910, have you booted 11.10 or 12.04 with a live cd and see if the wifi worked by any chance?
[07:35] <clarkthehardy910> no, its a little complicated, the notebook is an ultralight, and I don't have a thumb drive available anymore, but I might try to do that later this week... why? would that tell us something that might help me get the wifi to work on 10.04?
[07:35] <philipballew> yeah, if that works I can just teach you how to compile the new kernel wifi drivers
[07:36] <philipballew> whats ifconfig -a show
[07:38] <clarkthehardy910> http://paste.ubuntu.com/909784/
[07:39] <philipballew> wanna install new drivers?
[07:40] <philipballew> warning, its probably stable, but might make your wireless be unstable. but then again. its not even working now
[07:41] <clarkthehardy910> really?  Would it affect its stabillity in win7, im getting good usage out of it in 7?
[07:41] <clarkthehardy910> im not savvy enough to know what affects what
[07:43] <philipballew> clarkthehardy910, were only working with linux here, its not gonna do anything to affect your windows set up
[07:43] <clarkthehardy910> so it doesn't really affect the wireless card on a hardware level
[07:43] <clarkthehardy910> just the drivers that linux uses
[07:43] <clarkthehardy910> i see
[07:44] <clarkthehardy910> well, is there a thread that I can do some reading? i have to go in a moment so Im out of time to be walked through it
[07:44] <philipballew> maybe. its called compat wireless
[07:45] <clarkthehardy910> philipballew:  if you were me, just starting out to understand all of this, and didn't have a lot of time on your hands, but wanted to get your notebook working with wifi, what would you do the next time you had an hour or so to try?
[07:46] <clarkthehardy910> of course in Ubuntu
[07:46] <philipballew> install ubuntu 11.10
[07:46] <clarkthehardy910> ok, how easy is it to get from 11.10 to the next LTS when its fully ready?
[07:46] <philipballew> easy. it comes out in a month
[07:48] <clarkthehardy910> ok, but do I have to create another LiveUSB? Linux my partitions are 2 EXT4s around 70GB and a 150+ Fat32 to share with Win and a swap 4GB
[07:48] <clarkthehardy910> will I have to partition differently?
[07:49] <clarkthehardy910> or will it be easy for it just to upgrade overwriting the 10.04 install?
[07:49] <clarkthehardy910> and then the 11.10 to 12.04
[07:50] <philipballew> you can upgrade to 10.10 then to 11.04 then to 11.10
[07:50] <philipballew> or you can just upgrade straight to 12.04. you might hit a few bugs in the next month or two
[07:52] <clarkthehardy910> but you recommend a Live USB or just a straight upgrade via terminal, is it possible?
[07:53] <mcbaine2> no
[07:54] <philipballew> its not possible to upgrade from 1004 to 1110 directly
[07:55] <philipballew> unless you want to do a lot of tinkering
[07:55] <clarkthehardy910> philipballew: so the easiest way is to create a live USB
[07:55] <clarkthehardy910> nope, i just want to cleanest and most painless way
[07:56] <philipballew> yeah. just install that again probably. if that doesnt work easily, upgrade like 3 times
[07:56] <clarkthehardy910> are you saying that I can upgrade to 10.10 and then to 11.04 and then 11.10
[07:56] <clarkthehardy910> without clean installing?
[07:56] <clarkthehardy910> can you give me the best link for instructions?
[07:57] <philipballew> sure!
[07:58] <philipballew> hold on!
[07:58] <clarkthehardy910> thank you!
[07:59] <philipballew> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes#Current_and_Supported_Versions
[07:59] <philipballew> yeah!!! thats right!!! I pasted that link so well!!!!
[08:00] <clarkthehardy910> thank you!
[08:00] <clarkthehardy910> =)
[08:01] <philipballew> no problem!!! if wifi doesnt work, find me and well look at it
[08:01] <clarkthehardy910> that's really kind of you, I'm grateful honestly, I hate using windows as a crutch
[15:11] <Sortedmush> Hi. I'm trying to find out how to add files or folders to some sort of a global path. So I can run them from the terminal without changing directory. Any help welcome. I'd really appreciate any suggested links for basics such as this. Thanks
[15:13] <escott> Sortedmush, /etc/profile
[15:14] <Sortedmush> profile.d?
[15:14] <Sortedmush> there's no folder called just "profile"
[15:14] <Sortedmush> in my etc
[15:15] <Sortedmush> ah .. found it :P
[15:18] <Sortedmush> ok, so is this where I add more paths? How do I do this?
[15:27] <Sortedmush> Figured it out by searching for "etc/profile paths" .. Thanks escott, just needed that little kick start :D
[15:40] <digikwondo> hi all, i have a hp dv6 with ubuntu 12.04 . my touchpad with register right clicks. any suggestion?
[15:40] <digikwondo> *wont
[15:41] <escott> digikwondo, were you on the channel a couple days ago?
[15:46] <digikwondo> escott: i drop in from time to time , but i dont think im the person you are refering to ;)
[15:47] <escott> digikwondo, there was someone with the same question yesterday or friday. was wondering if you/he were still struggling with it
[15:47] <digikwondo> escott: first time i ask in irc about it ;)
[15:48] <digikwondo> escott: any suggestions so far?
[15:49] <escott> digikwondo, im afraid i wasn't paying too much attention -- i asked him to run xev and verify the clicks weren't generated he ignore me and i ignored him :)
[15:55] <digikwondo> escott: im happy to follow any suggestions you might have. its a sweet laptop , such a shame the touchpad is buggy
[15:56] <digikwondo> escott: tried 10.04, 11.10 witch had issues with video. 12.04 works except for the issue with the touchpad
[15:56] <escott> digikwondo, well first lets verify that the clicks aren't appearing. open a terminal and type "xev" a little window will appear and if you click in it (or move the mouse around) you should see text in the terminal. verify that nothing happens when you right click
[15:56] <escott> digikwondo, also is this a real clicking pad or is his a touchpad that is supposed to sense some region or finger motion?
[15:58] <digikwondo> escott: yup things are happening
[15:58] <escott> digikwondo, are they happening because you are clicking or because you are moving the mouse while trying to click?
[16:00] <digikwondo> escott: here is a pic http://www.komplett.se/mlf/produkt/diverse/HP/DV6/1.jpg   the whole touchpad region is motion capturing i would say. hard to say if its because of the clicks or simply by touching
[16:01] <escott> digikwondo, a right button press looks like this: ButtonPress event, serial 29, synthetic NO, window 0x3000001,
[16:01] <escott>     root 0xae, subw 0x3000002, time 14460077, (42,37), root:(43,91),
[16:01] <escott>     state 0x0, button 3, same_screen YES
[16:01] <escott> digikwondo, you could close the xev and then run xev | grep -C3 button
[16:02] <escott> digikwondo, that will filter all the junk
[16:04] <digikwondo> both right nad left click gives ButtonPress event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001,
[16:04] <digikwondo>     root 0xac, subw 0x2800002, time 6000637, (15,58), root:(16,112),
[16:04] <digikwondo>     state 0x0, button 1, same_screen YES
[16:04] <digikwondo> EnterNotify event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x2800001,
[16:04] <digikwondo>     root 0xac, subw 0x0, time 6000637, (15,58), root:(16,112),
[16:04] <escott> digikwondo, so the press is recognized but incorrectly as a button 3
[16:04] <escott> rather a button 1 instead of button 3
[16:06] <digikwondo> escott: acctualy all clicks are button 1 it seems :)
[16:07] <escott> digikwondo, so you could check the output of synclient and see if anything there looks promising. there are a bunch of links on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1600221
[16:08] <escott> digikwondo, having seen how poorly the touchpad on hp's high end "envy" line works in windows im not too optimistic
[16:09] <digikwondo> escott: should work better on a real os then ;)
[16:10] <escott> digikwondo, there is supposed to be a gui for synaptics gpointing-device-settings that might be worth looking into
[16:27] <digikwondo> escott: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fubuntuforums.org%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D8816327%26postcount%3D6&h=bAQG4UDNA   solved it!
[16:28] <digikwondo> escott: thanks mate!
[16:31] <digikwondo> another issue foks. running 12.04 with gnome classic. how do i delete shortcuts from the panel. when i rightclick i only get launch and properties.
[16:38] <escott> digikwondo, you might want to ask in ubuntu+1
[16:40] <digikwondo> escott: thanks


[13:32] <philsf> In Jaunty I used to set my keyboard settings in /etc/default/console-setup, but it's being ignored now in Karmic, both for console and X. I need to use setxkbmap everytime I login and also everytime I switch to the console. How can I set my keyboard variant permanently now?
[13:33] <jcristau> /etc/default/console-setup is still supposed to work afaik
[13:33] <jcristau> maybe gdm overrides it though?
[13:34] <philsf> it doesn't work even for the console
[13:37] <jcristau> no clue then, sorry
[13:37] <philsf> I reported Bug #359719 in jaunty about the particular variant not being available anymore (it used to exist in the UIs in Hardy), but now in karmic the situation has degraded since the workaround doesn't work anymore
[13:37] <philsf> should I report a new bug agains this issue?
[13:38] <jcristau> oh hum, the weird brazilian layout..
[13:38] <philsf> yes :)
[13:38] <philsf> so you remember
[13:39] <jcristau> not this particular bug.  just the fact that abnt2 has some weirdness with keycodes
[13:40] <philsf> so, what should I do now?