[04:14] <nero_> hi from Argentina
[04:14] <Guest18934> i need know when Lubuntu 19.04 will have operative?
[04:15] <lynorian> April as 19 is for 2019 and the .04 is for april the forth month of the year at least that is what I think you are asking
[22:39] <woodturn> I could use some help getting my trackpad to work
[22:41] <wxl> ^^ @tsimonq2
[22:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: ack
[22:43] <tsimonq2> wxl: Bring it back
[22:44] <tsimonq2> wait
[22:44] <tsimonq2> ok
[22:44] <tsimonq2> I got it
[22:44] <wxl> maybe give it a few while i work this out
[22:44] <wxl> woodturn: what version of lubuntu?
[22:45] <tsimonq2> ok


[00:02] <bac> hi huwshimi
[00:03] <huwshimi> bac: Hey
[00:14] <bac> happy new year huw.  hope all is well in taz
[00:18] <huwshimi> bac: Thanks Brad. Things are good. How's life in Puerto Rico?
[11:58] <rick_h_> frankban: morning, if you get time this morning have a couple of questions on my branch to remove the pyjuju stuff https://codereview.appspot.com/51620043
[12:03] <frankban> rick_h_: lunching in 30 mins, we can chat now if you want (or after lunch)
[12:03] <rick_h_> frankban: can wait until after. I've still got one of the functional tests dying on me on ec2 I'm debugging as well
[12:03] <frankban> rick_h_: sounds good, ok
[13:01] <rick_h_> jujugui useful link on git foo http://sethrobertson.github.io/GitFixUm/fixup.html
[13:02] <benji> I like the choose-your-own-adventure structure.
[13:02] <rick_h_> yea, it's a cool approach
[13:13] <bac> benji: ha
[13:34] <frankban> uhm... subscribing the free trial for azure also means receiving a phone call from ms people wanting to help you...
[13:35] <rick_h_> lol
[13:41] <benji> heh
[13:47] <bac> benji: every time i have to link a branch to a bug report in LP and it suggest correctly, i think of you fondly.
[13:48] <bac> s/suggest/suggests/
[13:48] <benji> heh
[13:48] <bac> it is my favoritest feature
[13:48] <benji> That is probably my single biggest contribution to all of LP.
[13:48] <bac> well, it is the most strongly identifiable
[13:49] <bac> and completely unsolicited, if i recall
[13:51] <bac> frankban: did the MS people speak italian?
[13:51] <frankban> bac: yes
[13:51] <bac> rick_h_: you going to be able to do that review this morning?
[13:52] <rick_h_> bac: loading it up now
[13:52] <bac> ty
[13:58] <rick_h_> bac: feedback inbound
[13:58] <bac> rick_h_: thanks
[14:00] <bac> rick_h_: so you think the inheritance work-around is sane?  if so i'll add some tests.
[14:01] <rick_h_> bac: the work around? everything looks sane there. The monkey patch on charm tools is a bit :( but since we lock our version of charm tools it hopefully won't bite us
[14:02] <bac> rick_h_: i think it is less gross than maintaining our own fork.
[14:02] <rick_h_> yea :( is all
[14:19] <rick_h_> frankban: how's the day looking?
[14:20] <frankban> rick_h_: I spent some time debugging a weird juju-core error, we can chat in 10 if you are available
[14:20] <rick_h_> frankban: cool thanks
[14:28] <frankban> and the GUI runs in all its glory on azure: https://juju-azure-wy2xql47ef.cloudapp.net/
[14:29] <rick_h_> https://juju-azure-wypgw0upb1.cloudapp.net/ :) is the quickstart gui on azure that runs CI
[14:32] <frankban> :-)
[14:42] <frankban> rick_h_: ready when you are
[14:44] <rick_h_> frankban: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjpka9o5dhd2u0ami5rqbl8?authuser=1&hl=en
[15:25] <rick_h_> frankban: yay tests ran in 62min
[15:26] <frankban> rick_h_: weird, they are still running here
[15:27] <rick_h_> well just happy they pass and the changes don't break things
[15:27] <rick_h_> except I introduced some sort of time warp into the tests I guess :/
[15:44] <rick_h_> frankban: updated the MP and the agent/zookeeper stuff. Care to review? I'm going ot walk away for a few and then do a 'fresh eye' run through. https://codereview.appspot.com/51470044/
[15:45] <frankban> rick_h_: I'll take a look in a few minutes
[15:45] <rick_h_> guihelp I didn't give lbox enough permissions when I auth'd it to the launchpad api and now I can't update my MPs. I don't see the token in my oauth tokens under my lp account. Any ideas on how to revoke/reset that?
[15:46] <bac> rick_h_: what's the url for looking at lp tokens?
[15:46] <bac> i'll see if mine is listed
[15:46] <rick_h_> https://launchpad.net/~rharding/+oauth-tokens
[15:46] <Makyo> https://launchpad.net/~makyo/+oauth-tokens ish bac
[15:46] <rick_h_> I see a few, but I just set this up this week and no tokens from 2014 listed
[15:46] <rick_h_> duh, lbox should have stored it. Should be able to remove it there
[15:47] <bac> rick_h_: is it using a system-wide token?  can you revoke it and have it prompt again?
[15:47] <rick_h_> bac: I'm trying to see where it would have stored it.
[15:48] <bac> rick_h_: keychain
[15:48] <bac> or seahorse or whatever we call it
[15:49] <rick_h_> oh bah
[15:50] <rick_h_> hmm, nothing in seahorse
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:51] <bac> rick_h_: i don' t recall specifically authorizing lbox, so i suspect it is using the system-wide auth, at least on machine
[15:51] <rick_h_> bac: yea, that makes sense
[15:52] <rick_h_> are those listed in LP somewhere else then to revoke? Seems I should have an oauth token in LP for this host
[15:53] <frankban> rick_h_: my test run has been  killed by timeout
[15:54] <rick_h_> frankban: at he 40min?
[15:54] <rick_h_> frankban: or the 80min?
[15:54] <frankban> rick_h_: 40m
[15:54] <rick_h_> yea, /me should do a run on trunk to make sure my branch isn't doing it
[15:54] <rick_h_> I'll go set that up to run
[15:55] <frankban> cool thanks
[15:56] <hazmat> rick_h_, ~/.lbox afaicr
[15:58] <hazmat> rick_h_, actually ~/.lpad_oauth
[15:59] <Makyo> oops, jujugui call in 1
[16:00] <bac> benji: yo
[16:05] <bac> benji: soon the kids won't get that clock thing
[16:05] <benji> heh, indeed
[16:06] <benji> well, I get "you can lead a horse to water..." but I have never lead a horse anywhere
[16:08] <rick_h_> frankban: heh, first try to run tests hit the 5min timeout to bootstrap :/
[16:08] <rick_h_> frankban: I must be in the wrong ec2 zone right
[16:08]  * rick_h_ keeps hammering ec2 hoping for different results...insanity coming
[16:08] <frankban> rick_h_: :-/
[16:09] <rick_h_> benji: you can lead a person with a question to google.com, but cannot make them search?
[16:09] <benji> letmeleadthathorsetowaterforyou.com
[16:09] <rick_h_> lol
[16:39] <rick_h_> frankban: ok, got it to run on trunk in 30.0 minutes that time
[16:39] <rick_h_> frankban: so maybe I did do something that's killing functional test run time
[16:39] <frankban> rick_h_: or maybe now ec2 works properly :-/
[16:39] <rick_h_> frankban: yea, rerunning the tests in my branch one more time to see
[16:54] <Makyo> Can we update comingsoon? I'm looking at a card I can't reproduce locally.
[16:55] <Makyo> Er, let me rephrase.  Is comingsoon being updated regularly?
[16:56] <rick_h_> Makyo: it should, check the version?
[16:56] <Makyo> Oops, forgot.  Will check.
[16:56] <rick_h_> Makyo: thought we had that fixed up, but we needed to verify that the update does in fact work
[16:56] <rick_h_> so it's possible there's still an issue
[16:58] <Makyo> rick_h_, comingsoon does a merge, right?  Hashes don't match.
[16:58] <rick_h_> Makyo: oh hmm, will it never match? I guess not.
[16:59] <rick_h_> bah, guess hatch was right, we should stash and pop the config diff
[16:59] <Makyo> rick_h_, Yeah.  May be nice to put the commit subject in there too.
[16:59] <Makyo> Or that, yeah
[16:59] <rick_h_> bac: oh friend oh pal with comingsoon access. :)
[17:00] <rick_h_> Makyo: can you help him with the git-fu? Right now comingsoon sits on a branch and merges from upstream develop
[17:00] <rick_h_> Makyo: I guess what it should do is to run develop with uncommitted changes that it stash and stash pops after a git pull?
[17:01] <Makyo> rick_h_, I think so, yeah.
[17:27] <frankban> rick_h_: review done, your changes should not affect functional tests in theory, how is your run going?
[17:28] <rick_h_> frankban: still running
[17:29] <rick_h_> frankban: which isn't promising as I think I started it back at almost an hour agao
[17:31] <rick_h_> frankban: thanks for the review. Will go through it. Appreciate the extra set of eyes
[17:31] <frankban> rick_h_: yw
[17:47] <bac> hey rick_h_, what's broken
[17:48] <bac> Makyo: ?
[17:48] <rick_h_> bac: the issue is that we can't check what version is on comingsoon because of the sha is always different due to that commit of the config change
[17:48] <bac> just read backwards.  Makyo you have suggestions on fixing?
[17:48] <bac> rick_h_: i'm all ears
[17:49] <Makyo> bac, change the config file in clean develop.  On update, git stash; git pull; git stash pop
[17:54] <bac> Makyo: ok, i think we have a clean develop branch and a 'comingsoon' branch that has the required local change but it is checked in.
[17:54] <bac> so i need to 'git checkout develop' and then (somehow) get the local changes
[17:55] <Makyo> bac, correct.  The changes are just the config file, right?
[17:55] <bac> Makyo: yes, i thing app/config-prod.js
[17:56] <bac> so how do i get it from comingsoon to develop?
[17:56] <bac> s/thing/think/
[17:57] <Makyo> bac, okay.  Would make those changes by hand and leave them uncommitted (say by copying the file elsewhere, then moving it into place after checkout develop).  The update script should `git stash save; git pull; git stash pop`.
[17:57] <Makyo> That will stash the changes, merge the updates into develop, then unstash.
[17:57] <bac> ah, yes that makes sense
[17:57] <bac> hold plese
[17:57] <bac> s/plese/please/
[18:00] <bac> Makyo: it looks like my develop is unclean.  i did a 'git pull' to bring it up-to-date and it opened an editor for a merge message.
[18:01] <Makyo> bac, If we never push from comingsoon, that should be fine.  correct me if I'm wrong, rick_h_
[18:01] <Makyo> (Otherwise, might be worth just wiping the repo and cloning from scratch)
[18:01] <Makyo> s/repo/working copy
[18:01] <rick_h_> yea, I'd suggest re-cloning if we know what the changes to the config file are ?
[18:01] <bac> yes, we ever push from comingsoon
[18:02] <bac> rick_h_: i've copied the config-prod.js to a safe location, but i'd like to verify the diffs
[18:02] <rick_h_> bac: rgr, so http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3338126/git-how-to-diff-the-same-file-between-two-different-commits-on-the-same-branch
[18:02] <rick_h_> using git log to find the sha of the commit/prev commit
[18:03] <bac> otp
[18:11] <bac> ok, rick_h_ and Makyo i have this in develop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6751741/
[18:12] <bac> you'll see it includes the local mods.  i'm a bit concerned by the 'ahead by 37 commits'
[18:12] <rick_h_> yea same here
[18:12] <rick_h_> :/
[18:12] <rick_h_> compare git logs to https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/commits/develop ?
[18:15] <bac> rick_h: yeah, so it has hatch's #73 and then the lates is  Merge branch 'develop' of https://github.com/juju/juju-gui into develop
[18:15] <bac> s/lates/latest/
[18:16] <rick_h_> bac, yea I'd wipe-re-clone and then copy over your config file
[18:16] <bac> rick_h_: so how can i just blow away this develop branch and then get it again
[18:17] <rick_h_> oh...right because you don't want to re-make it all?
[18:17] <bac> i just want to start from a known good place and go forward
[18:17] <bac> i have no problem rebuilding
[18:17] <rick_h_> git fetch && git checkout master && git branch -D develop && git checkout -t develop
[18:17] <rick_h_> bac: or cd ../ && rm juju-gui
[18:17] <rick_h_> and then git clone https://github.com/juju/juju-gui.git
[18:17] <rick_h_> from scratch
[18:18] <bac> hey that sounds like a winner
[18:18] <rick_h_> after you nab your config file you want to keep :)
[18:18] <bac> yep, it is safe
[18:18] <bac> or, git clone https://github.com/juju/juju-gui.git juju-gui-temp
[18:18] <bac> and then mv juju-gui-tmp to juju-gui when built
[18:19] <rick_h_> sure
[18:19] <rick_h_> not sure what that gets you though
[18:20] <bac> rick_h_: it keeps comingsoon.jujucharms.com alive while i rebuild, etc
[18:20] <rick_h_> bac: hmm, not sure if you can mv it after make is dont
[18:20] <rick_h_> done
[18:21]  * rick_h_ thinks some symlinks/paths might be off?
[18:21] <bac> oh yeah, piss
[18:21] <luca> is Gary away this week?
[18:21] <rick_h_> luca: yes, until friday
[18:22] <luca> rick_h_: damn...is anyone is second in command? :D
[18:22] <rick_h_> luca: depends on what you need
[18:26] <bac> Makyo: does this look right http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/juju-ui/version.js
[18:27] <Makyo> bac, yep!  Thanks :)
[18:27] <bac> cool.  we still need to keep an eye on it as things land
[19:33] <bac> rick_h_: i updated my branch.  i assume you wanted a look-see since you didn't approve it originally.   https://codereview.appspot.com/51650043
[19:34] <rick_h_> bac: loading
[19:36] <rick_h_> bac: LGTM thanks!
[19:41] <bac> benji: my branch that modifies bundle proofing for charmworld is landing soonish. you may want to merge it into your sooner than later.
[19:41] <bac> shouldn't be big impact,though
[19:41] <benji> bac: thanks for the heads-up
[22:00] <huwshimi> Morning


[00:45] <tumbleweed> vorlon: and, should be running again. ubuntuwire was a little short of disk space
[01:17] <vorlon> tumbleweed: ta
[01:18] <vorlon> ginggs: I can reproduce the pandas failure, will try to isolate
[04:59] <ginggs> vorlon: thanks. i tried reducing the size of the arange, and have just triggered the tests
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[05:49] <ginggs> vorlon: that didn't work :( i have a tested patch to disable only the failing test, only on python2 and only on ppc64el, which does the trick (nothing else fails) - shall i upload that so long?
[06:16] <vorlon> ginggs: well, it is definitely an oom.  I think I should probably dig a little further to see why it ooms, as that might be real bug
[06:18] <ginggs> vorlon: ack
[07:03] <vorlon> ginggs: oh but it's only an oom with python2, isn't it, could we skip the test on python2 but not python3?
[07:04] <vorlon> ginggs: ah you said that already - yeah, I think you should upload
[07:05] <vorlon> whatever's going on seems to be a memory leak though, because running that test on its own doesn't trigger it
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[07:55] <ginggs> vorlon: yeah can skip on py2 only. uploading shortly
[08:13] <juliank> livecd-rootfs 3.566 just landed in disco. builds using it will see direct dependencies of ubiquity not marked as automatically anymore
[08:14] <juliank> in an attempt to fix #1801629
[09:08] <vorlon> ginggs: and if I run the testsuite under valgrind, it uses ridiculous amounts of memory just to collect the tests without ever running them, so I think ignoring is the right answer
[09:11] <ginggs> vorlon: ack
[09:12] <vorlon> I do wonder if this is a memory leak in pandas however, since memory usage creeps up over time while running the other tests (when not under valgrind)
[09:13]  * vorlon checks memory usage under python3
[09:15] <vorlon> similar behavior under python3, it just manages not to hit the ceiling
[09:15] <vorlon> ginggs: do you want to check if memory grows over time on other archS?
[09:18] <ginggs> vorlon: sure, i can check amd64 now
[09:38] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry for the nodejs rebuild, but I discovered an unicode bug, I'm doing some rebuilds to be sure rollup is now correctly bootstrapped
[09:39] <LocutusOfBorg> we were not correctly building node-unicode, that has been an hack to bootstrap acorn/rollup, and now we should remove that hack...
[09:41] <ginggs> vorlon: memory usage grows over time on amd64, but only by about 1.1GB - how much are you seeing?
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[11:14] <jibel> willcooke, sil2100 bug 1817689
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[11:14] <jibel> reproduced on both archs
[11:16] <willcooke> jibel, my install just finished, and I *can* log in
[11:16] <willcooke> lemme read the bug, make sure I did it right
[11:16] <willcooke> yeah, that's what I did
[11:16] <willcooke> jibel, did you install in French?
[11:17] <willcooke> I will try a different language
[11:17] <sil2100> ugh
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[11:18] <jibel> willcooke, 16.04.6 ?
[11:18] <jibel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/20190222/
[11:19] <willcooke> jibel, yeah, md5 matches
[11:20] <jibel> I did an installation in english
[11:21] <willcooke> jibel, uefi?
[11:21] <jibel> no, bios in a vm
[11:21] <jibel> i'll try on bare metal
[11:22] <sil2100> jibel: can you also try .5 later?
[11:22] <sil2100> I'll try to reproduce here
[11:22] <jibel> sure
[11:39] <willcooke> jibel, 2nd install on metal - worked
[11:41] <jibel> well, 2 install and both failed
[11:41] <willcooke> As you might expect, I'm doing my testing on the haunted laptop
[11:45] <sil2100> I seem to be able to reproduce it here
[11:47] <sil2100> The system boots but on the login screen I can't log into my user
[11:47] <jibel> sil2100, switch to a tty, log in and check if there are permission denied in the journal
[11:48] <willcooke> sil2100, on a vm?
[11:50] <sil2100> willcooke: yeah, kvm
[11:50]  * willcooke tries on vbox
[11:52] <sil2100> jibel: yes, the same error as you have
[11:54] <willcooke> meh, I can't recreate on vbox either
[11:55] <willcooke> what password are you using for encrypting the disk?
[11:55] <sil2100> willcooke: so you have ecryptfs home working?
[11:55] <sil2100> willcooke: it's not about disk encryption, but home encryption if anything
[11:55] <willcooke> ohhhhhh
[11:55] <willcooke> man
[11:55] <willcooke> I cant read
[11:56] <jibel> at least now we know that disk encryption is working ;)
[11:56] <willcooke> Let's try that again
[11:56] <willcooke> jibel, ha
[11:56] <sil2100> hm, changing file owner didn't help either
[11:58] <sil2100> After changing the owner of .ecryptfs, I'm getting "No such file or directory" errors while detecting wrapped passphrase version
[11:58]  * jibel syncs 16.04.5
[11:58] <sil2100> I do see pam_kwallet*.so load errors earlier
[11:58] <sil2100> Maybe those are somehow needed for that?
[11:58] <sil2100> Anyway, I need to go prep lunch now, will dig in further when back
[11:59] <willcooke> jibel, so are you doing a "something else" install, creating a /home and then encrypting that (and using lvm)?
[12:00] <jibel> willcooke, no, you select 'install ubuntu on entire disk' then in the 'Who are you' page, you check 'encrypt home'
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[12:01] <willcooke> jibel, gotit
[12:01] <willcooke> thx
[12:01] <jibel> then it uses ecryptfs to encrypt $HOME
[12:05] <jibel> and this is a reproducible on hw so not a problem of vm vs hw
[12:08] <willcooke> jibel, ok, yeah, confirmed on vbox and real hardware. Sorry for the confusion
[12:09] <jibel> Thanks for the confirmation, I should have make the test case more clear
[12:42] <jibel> sil2100, it's a regression in 16.04.6.
[13:08] <didrocks> (confirmed as well)
[13:10] <jibel> what would be a release without a respin
[13:10] <didrocks> that's where the fun is, obviously :)
[13:11] <jibel> I actually feel frustrated when I don't find a bug that requires a respin ;)
[13:12] <didrocks> maybe it's all done on purpose then! :)
[13:12] <didrocks> people care of you being happy :p
[13:16] <sil2100> :|
[13:40] <Laney> I can help on that bug if people want (will be back in 1 hour ish)
[13:55] <sil2100> I'm back now so I'll try looking into this a bit more
[13:57] <jibel> sil2100, there is this in the logs
[13:57] <jibel> Feb 26 10:58:21 ubuntu user-setup: Error: Your kernel does not support filename encryption
[13:57] <jibel> Feb 26 10:58:21 ubuntu user-setup: ERROR:  Could not add passphrase to the current keyring
[13:57] <jibel> Feb 26 10:58:21 ubuntu user-setup: adduser: `/usr/bin/ecryptfs-setup-private -b -u u' returned error code 1. Exiting.
[13:57] <jibel> installation logs
[13:58] <jibel> looks like a kernel issue
[13:59] <jibel> apw, ^ any idea? it's bug 1817689
[13:59] <apw> jibel, which kernel is that
[13:59] <jibel> 4.15.0-45-generic
[14:01] <apw> and this was not in .5; do we know ?
[14:01] <jibel> it works fine on .5
[14:02] <sil2100> jibel: and there was no message like that in the logs, right?
[14:02] <jibel> it worked so I did 't check the logs
[14:05] <jibel> no such message in .5 which has kernel 4.15.0-29-generic
[14:08] <apw> jibel, i assume you are able to install kernels and test ?
[14:08] <jibel> apw, yes, I should be able to do that. which kernel do you want to test?
[14:08] <apw> jibel, i am suspicious this of -37 as being when it changed, are you able to check -36 and -37
[14:09] <jibel> sure
[14:09] <apw> jibel, you are a star
[14:13] <sil2100> Interesting fact is that if I boot a xenial .6 system, switch to a tty, create a new user, run ecryptfs-setup-private -b -u user - all is good
[14:13] <sil2100> So I would personally doubt it's kernel?
[14:14] <sil2100> Since if I do it like this and manually encrypt home for a new user, I can log in normally and from what I see the home dir of that user is encrypted
[14:16] <sil2100> jibel, apw: ^
[14:17] <apw> sil2100, hmmmm
[14:26] <apw> sil2100, and filename encryption appears to be on as far as i can tell
[14:27] <apw> sil2100, i wonder how that thing decides it is not
[14:27] <sil2100> ah, hmmm
[14:28] <sil2100> Ok, so apparently after reboot I can't log in into the new user as well
[14:33] <sil2100> So yeah, something's busted, but not sure how
[14:34] <jibel> sil2100, if it helps here is the diff of the manifests with .5 http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pfBQ6Wk924/
[14:47] <sil2100> apw: so maybe there's indeed something kernel-related, since as mentioned after reboot it doesn't work again
[14:47] <sil2100> I also test installed .5 and I didn't see any messages like this, everything just works
[14:48] <apw> sil2100, so i think we wait on the jibel testing, if that shows a boundary there, we may have a likely culprit ... though that change sounds sane, so it might be userspace related
[14:48] <apw> sil2100, still userspace related, as in the test might be invalid
[14:48] <apw> anyhow, lets see
[14:49] <jibel> is the archive not frozen for xenial? I've updates of ghostscript and gnome-keyring after a fresh installation
[14:50] <sil2100> That's security
[14:51] <sil2100> Not much I can do about that
[15:19] <sil2100> jdstrand: hey! Could you maybe take a look at our xenial issues as well? ^
[15:37] <sil2100> Strange that in the installer logs one can see the 'Your kernel does not support filename encryption', but then on the running system when you check /sys/fs/ecryptfs/version, it seems to have the flag for kernel encryption set
[15:37] <sil2100> Both seem to be running the same kernel?
[15:38] <sil2100> Oh, wait
[15:39] <sil2100> Yeah, that's correct
[15:40] <sil2100> So hmmm, I wonder what's going on during the install
[15:40] <jibel> I cannot reproduce with -45 on an installed system
[15:49] <Laney> jibel: can you share the /var/log/installer/syslog from the .5 install?
[15:52] <vorlon> ginggs: well, the autopkgtest runners only have 1.5GiB of RAM altogether, so any little bit above that is enough to top out on the runners.  But also, my expectation is that memory usage doesn't grow over time at all, that certainly sounds like a leak to me.  I'll rerun under valgrind in an env with more memory.
[15:53] <jibel> Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1817689/+attachment/5241810/+files/syslog.16.04.5
[15:54] <Laney> thx
[15:54] <Laney> so you can see a difference there when it does the thing in user-setup
[15:55] <jibel> yes, when it's successful is says "Done configuring" and when it fails it says
[15:55] <jibel> Feb 26 10:58:21 ubuntu user-setup: Error: Your kernel does not support filename encryption
[15:55] <jibel> Feb 26 10:58:21 ubuntu user-setup: ERROR:  Could not add passphrase to the current keyring
[15:55] <sil2100> Looks like this is an issue only during install
[15:55] <jibel> Feb 26 10:58:21 ubuntu user-setup: adduser: `/usr/bin/ecryptfs-setup-private -b -u u' returned error code 1. Exiting.
[15:55] <jibel> yup
[15:56] <jibel> and I cannot boot with another kernel, I've boot loop for some reason
[15:56] <jibel> boot the live session
[15:57] <sil2100> Oh, right, I can experiment in the live session
[16:06] <sil2100> On the live session on .6 /sys/fs/ecryptfs/version seems to support encrypted filenames, and doing adduser --encrypt-home seems to succeed
[16:09] <sil2100> I'll try to see what happens if I try installing from the live session
[16:17] <Laney> can't make this error happen myself, weird one
[16:19] <sil2100> Ok, strange, when running ubiquity installer from the live session, I still see it failing in user-setup, wtf
[16:21] <sil2100> Laney: like, you can't get ecryptfs to fail during install for you?
[16:21] <Laney> nah
[16:21] <Laney> I can't do it outside of ubiquity
[16:21] <sil2100> Yeah, same here
[16:21] <sil2100> My earlier case was invalid
[16:22] <sil2100> So the only place where it fails is during ubiquity install
[16:23] <sil2100> bdmurray: remember not to release any xenial packages into -updates o/
[16:24] <sil2100> RAOF: ^
[16:25] <sil2100> Laney: maybe ubiquity needs a rebuild? I didn't think that was necessary
[16:28] <Laney> what for?
[16:29] <sil2100> I don't know, if I knew I'd rebuild it ;)
[16:30] <sil2100> It's really intriguing, user-setup fails during install with the unsupported filename encryption thing, but even when I check /target/sys/fs/ecryptfs/version etc. it all looks like this error shouldn't have been printed
[16:30] <sil2100> The right flags are in the version number
[16:31] <Laney> yeah I wrote a program to call that same function and it works :<
[16:31] <jibel> maybe the error message is misleading did you check in which case it's displayed?
[16:32] <sil2100> jibel: it's displayed by the ecryptfs tools only in this particular case, I checked the code
[16:33] <sil2100> The string is in ECRYPTFS_ERROR_FNEK_SUPPORT and it's only printed in ecryptfs_add_passphrase.c, which checks for the existance of the flag in version
[16:33] <sil2100> Oh, wait
[16:34] <sil2100> It can also print it out with ecryptfs_get_version() returns non-zero, so maybe somehow sysfs is not mounted on /target yet? Doesn't make sense though
[16:35] <sil2100> Or maybe some permission problems accessing sysfs, but that also doesn't make sense
[16:37] <apw> systemd?
[16:44] <vorlon> seb128: do you know why the disco desktop image is now 300MB bigger than it was at the beginning of the month? (and > 2GB)
[16:44] <seb128> no idea, but that's interesting
[16:44] <seb128> thanks for pointing it out, I'm going to poke
[16:45] <seb128> last cycle we had the issue and it was some toolchain thing having debug by default during the unstable cycle iirc
[16:45] <seb128> but I don't remember the specifics now
[16:45] <seb128> I have a look a bit later and let you know
[16:45] <vorlon> seb128: the count of packages has also increased sustantially, 1657 -> 1805
[16:46] <jibel> sil2100, /target/sys is populated and ecryptfs/version exists
[16:47] <sil2100> Yeah, I know, I saw that during the install
[16:47] <sil2100> But maybe not before user-setup was called?
[16:47] <sil2100> Like, it's mounted later or something?
[16:48] <vorlon> seb128: mostly a lot of locale stuff that previously wasn't on the CD, so maybe someone fixed something that was previously broken?  Also curl is being pulled in which sounds like a bug (we have wget)
[16:48] <sil2100> jibel: ok, I think that's the case
[16:49] <sil2100> jibel, Laney: if you check  the logs, first user-setup runs and only later in the logs I see `chroot /target mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys
[16:49] <sil2100> `
[16:49] <vorlon> seb128: list of newly added packages in the manifest: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9gv6knNrZ6/
[16:49]  * sil2100 checks the .5 sysfs logs
[16:50] <sil2100> huh
[16:50] <sil2100> Laney, jibel: that's it
[16:50] <sil2100> Laney, jibel: if you check the .5 logs, there sysfs is first mounted in /target and only then user-setup runs
[16:50] <sil2100> Laney, jibel: but now it's the other way around!
[16:50] <sil2100> Laney: hmm, did your change for the move-the-keyboard-setup-earlier go into xenial-updates?
[16:51] <sil2100> Laney: did you SRU those changes?
[16:51] <sil2100> Laney: since to me it seems that the order in ubiquity somehow changed and now user-setup runs earlier due to that
[16:52] <sil2100> eh, darn ubiquity
[16:53] <sil2100> So now someone just needs to figure out why we now have user-setup running earlier and done
[16:54] <sil2100> uh, wait
[16:54] <Laney> don't think so, user-setup mounts /sys itself
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[16:56] <sil2100> Yeah...
[16:56] <sil2100> Guess you're right
[16:58] <sil2100> But at least I have a few other ideas to debug this
[17:32] <sil2100> Laney: so strange, I didn't get much more info, but when user-setup runs ecryptfs/version seems readable and has correct contents, I was checking it right before adduser runs, no idea why it fails there
[17:32] <sil2100> Even from inside the chroot
[17:33] <Laney> sil2100: you hacked the script or?
[17:33] <sil2100> Laney: yeah, I hacked user-setup-apply in ubiquity/user-setup
[17:34] <sil2100> Right before adduser is called that does all the setup I added some catting and statting of the ecryptfs version path, from outside and inside the chroot - all looked correct
[17:46] <Laney> sil2100: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ok
[17:46] <Laney> I put a "sleep infinit_y" right after the call and now I can poke in there
[17:46] <jibel> and I checked that sysfs is mounted right before calling adduser
[17:47] <Laney> the version is coming out weird
[17:48] <sil2100> Laney: what version number do you see?
[17:48] <Laney> 611346400
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[17:48] <Laney> but the call errors
[17:48] <sil2100> Since in cat from before adduser in the chroot I'm getting 375, which is correct
[17:48] <Laney> rc != 0
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[17:48] <sil2100> uh
[17:48] <sil2100> wow
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[17:48] <Laney> so that's just whatever the memory had before
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[17:49] <sil2100> Laney: right after the call - you mean, right after adduser?
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[17:49] <Laney> yeah
[17:49] <sil2100> (sorry for the noise guys ^)
[17:49] <Laney> the one that dies
[17:49] <Laney> add a sleep there, then you can get in the chroot and mess around
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[17:49] <sil2100> Laney: wow, so it's like something in adduser (the ecryptfs tools) breaks ecryptfs?
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[17:49] <Laney> dunno, I'm seeing what get_version does
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[17:50] <Laney> the file in /sys *is* right
[17:51] <Laney> forgot to say that, that's important ;-)
[17:52] <sil2100> Ah, so in the chroot, /sys/fs/ecryptfs/version has a sane version when you cat it directly?
[17:52] <Laney> ye
[17:52] <sil2100> wow
[17:53] <Laney> ecryptfs-utils does some weird stuff to get it
[17:54]  * sil2100 needs to take care of the openjdk packages
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[18:07] <Laney> sil2100: there's no mtab, so the function bails out
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[18:09] <Laney> because /proc isn't mounted
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[18:16]  * Laney tries ...
[18:19] <sil2100> uh oh
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[18:22] <sil2100> Laney: wonder what happened that /proc is not available now
[18:22] <sil2100> Laney: did you manage to get it working after mounting /proc ?
[18:22] <Laney> dunno
[18:22] <Laney> not got that far yet
[18:22] <Laney> I should disconnect the network, it spends ages downloading stuff each time
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[18:31] <Laney> AHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[18:31] <teward> o.O
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[18:32] <vorlon> sil2100, doko: do you need anything from me wrt the openjdk-11 SRUs?  I could spend a little time on it this afternoon if needed, but I don't know what's next
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[18:34] <sil2100> vorlon: I'm currently finishing copying the stage4 packages, rest has not yet been reviewed by security
[18:35] <doko> vorlon, sil2100: tiago wanted to identify the leaf apps, but didn't send me an update as promised
[18:35] <sil2100> Laney: works?!
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[18:35] <doko> sbeattie will review the apps, tomcat and stage5 PPAs
[18:35] <sil2100> Laney: did you figure out why /proc was not mounted, or not yet?
[18:36] <vorlon> cpaelzer: I don't understand https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/1812384/comments/20 I see no autopkgtest failures related to this SRU
[18:36] <Laney> sil2100: I dunno what changed, but I know that user-setup doesn't mount it
[18:36] <vorlon> cpaelzer: (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html#qemu is clean)
[18:36] <Laney> so I'll upload a fix to do that directly, but if someone wants to find out why the order changed they can
[18:37] <Laney> I just upload user-setup and then we rebuild ubiquity to get it, right?
[18:37] <sil2100> Laney: excellent! +1 on that
[18:37] <doko> vorlon: and we have some autopkg test failures, but EOD for me now
[18:37] <sil2100> Laney: yeah
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[18:37] <sil2100> Laney: upload it then I can review/accept it, at least the user-setup one
[18:38] <Laney> okey
[18:38] <Laney> test/review/accept? ;-)
[18:38] <sil2100> HOTFIX FOR THE WIN
[18:38] <Laney> I'll have to go straight after (pub quiz) so won't be around to fix stuff up unfortunately
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[18:39] <sil2100> Laney: no worries, thanks for the help with the investigation and the 'fixation' (wanted it to rhyme)!
[18:39] <willcooke> nice one Laney, thank you!
[18:39] <vorlon> cpaelzer: oh, I guess bdmurray already merged, n/m
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[18:43] <sil2100> Laney: in case you won't manage to do the ubiquity rebuild, I can do that as well
[18:43] <sil2100> Laney: don't want you to miss the pub action
[18:43] <willcooke> :)
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[18:45] <sil2100> doko, vorlon: all stage4 packages should be copied and accepted now, phew
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[18:45] <doko> sil2100: stage5 has 60 ...
[18:46] <Laney> sil2100: definitely won't
[18:46] <Laney> especially if you want to test before :>
[18:46] <sil2100> Indeed
[18:46] <sil2100> That's cool
[18:47] <sil2100> Laney: just give me a poke once you upload user-setup
[18:47] <sil2100> doko: ...lovely
[18:47] <Laney> will be in one minute
[18:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: user-setup (xenial-proposed/main) [1.63ubuntu4 => 1.63ubuntu4.1] (core)
[18:50] <Laney> damn it, make that two
[18:50] <Laney> I haven't done anything else, like fix devel (although this option is hidden in all other supported releases AFAIK) or SRUify the bug I'm afraid
[18:50] <Laney> o/
[18:51] <sil2100> o/
[18:51] <sil2100> That's ok
[18:51] <sil2100> It's a release critical bug, it'll be fast-tracked anyway
[18:51] <sil2100> Laney: thanks and have fun!
[18:51] <Laney> thx
[18:51] <Laney> will follow up tomorrow if anything needs doing
[18:51] <Laney> goodnight
[18:51] <willcooke> see you Laney
[18:53]  * sil2100 prepares his kvm for testing
[18:53] <jibel> sil2100, let me know when you have a package to verify
[18:53] <sil2100> jibel: will do
[18:53] <sil2100> I'll test the code changes before accepting
[19:03] <sil2100> Code-wise looks good, testing looks promising as well
[19:04] <sil2100> \o/
[19:04] <sil2100> Accepting
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted user-setup [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.63ubuntu4.1]
[19:06] <sil2100> jibel: user-setup is building in xenial-proposed now, once that's built you can give it a spin - I'll also prepare ubiquity then
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lldpd [source] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.1-1ubuntu0.1]
[19:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lldpd [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.9.9-1ubuntu0.1]
[19:24] <jibel> sil2100, k
[19:45] <seb128> vorlon, the current disco iso is about the same size as the bionic/cosmic ones and your list of new packages look like thing that are usually on the iso, so I guess it's the earlier one you had which was buggy
[19:45] <vorlon> ok
[19:46] <sil2100> jibel: ...still waiting for the mirrors to catch up
[19:52] <jibel> sil2100, I downloaded the version from lp
[19:57]  * sil2100 is still waiting for it to pop up in the the main archive mirror to pull it into ubiquity
[19:57] <jibel> sil2100, user-setup 1.63ubuntu4.1 fixes the problem now i'd like to know why it is not happening previously. This package didn't change since the initial release of xenial
[19:58] <sil2100> jibel: yeah, we will investigate that for sure, but we should prioritize landing this anyway
[19:59] <jibel> indeed
[20:00] <sil2100> vorlon: is there a way to sync archive mirrors somehow?
[20:00] <vorlon> mm?
[20:00] <sil2100> vorlon: like, I'm waiting and waiting for user-setup to appear in archive.ubuntu.com but it's not happening!
[20:00] <vorlon> you should check with IS
[20:01] <vorlon> there is no manual process for triggering a sync because it's supposed to always sync asap
[20:04] <cjwatson> I think there've just been a couple of big publisher runs
[20:04] <sil2100> vorlon, cjwatson: thanks
[20:04] <sil2100> Sorry for being impatient
[20:05] <cjwatson> Not seeing anything actually wrong
[20:28] <Odd_Bloke> vorlon: Do you think you might be able to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/britney/hints-ubuntu-disco-vagrant-mutate/+merge/363463 ?
[20:34] <vorlon> Odd_Bloke: I don't understand the rationale here; the only current failure I see of vagrant-mutate is one that blocks an update of vagrant, but I see two recent successes of the autopkgtest with other triggers since the last time it was retried with -proposed vagrant
[20:35] <vorlon> so can you ++verbose on what 'network issues' means?  is this actually a flaky test?
[20:37] <Odd_Bloke> vorlon: Yeah, we're seeing flakiness (which appears to be network related); I hadn't seen that Christian had managed to get a qemu pass, so I'm retrying now to see if it works for vagrant too.
[20:37] <vorlon> Odd_Bloke: already retried it fwiw
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> Cool, I'll keep an eye out; thanks!
[20:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (xenial-proposed/main) [<IP_ADDRESS> => <IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[21:03] <sil2100> jibel: accepted ubiquity
[21:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (xenial-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[21:03] <sil2100> jibel: once that builds would be nice to sanity-test it, release and re-spin the world!
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rusty-fork [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1] (no packageset)
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rusty-fork [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1] (no packageset)
[21:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rusty-fork [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1] (no packageset)
[21:19] <vorlon> Odd_Bloke: both of our retries failed
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: rust-ascii (disco-proposed/primary) [0.9.1-1]
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rusty-fork [i386] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1] (no packageset)
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rusty-fork [arm64] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1] (no packageset)
[21:20] <Odd_Bloke> vorlon: ;.;
[21:20] <vorlon> merging hint
[21:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-rusty-fork [armhf] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.2.1-1] (no packageset)
[21:22] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[21:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected skiboot [source] (cosmic-proposed) [6.1-2ubuntu0.1]
[21:45] <vorlon> ginggs: well, running to completion under valgrind, valgrind only finds 332k of memory leaking
[21:45] <vorlon> ginggs: so it's possibly deferred gc but not leaks per se :/
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rusty-fork [armhf] (disco-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rusty-fork [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected rust-ascii [sync] (disco-proposed) [0.9.1-1]
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rusty-fork [arm64] (disco-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rusty-fork [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rusty-fork [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[21:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-rusty-fork [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.2.1-1]
[21:49] <vorlon> ==124425==    still reachable: 413,357,685 bytes in 789,082 blocks
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-proptest [amd64] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.8.7-1] (no packageset)
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-proptest [s390x] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.8.7-1] (no packageset)
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-proptest [i386] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.8.7-1] (no packageset)
[22:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rust-proptest [ppc64el] (disco-proposed/universe) [0.8.7-1] (no packageset)
[22:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-proptest [i386] (disco-proposed) [0.8.7-1]
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-proptest [amd64] (disco-proposed) [0.8.7-1]
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-proptest [s390x] (disco-proposed) [0.8.7-1]
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted rust-proptest [ppc64el] (disco-proposed) [0.8.7-1]
[22:11]  * sil2100 tests the new ubiquity
[22:20] <sil2100> eh, ok, still not there
[22:39] <sil2100> Usually when rmadison was giving me a +1 that a package is published, this meant it was available
[22:39] <sil2100> But today there seems to be some lag
[23:10] <sil2100> Looks good, releasing
[23:18] <sil2100> vorlon, infinity: I guess I need to go to sleep now
[23:19] <sil2100> vorlon, infinity: can one of you re-spin all the 16.04.6 images once ubiquity and user-setup get fully published in xenial-updates?
[23:19] <sil2100> You can use the isotracker for that
[23:20] <sil2100> Just remember, today it seems to take a bit for the package to publish and actually appear on the archive mirrors
[23:26] <vorlon> sil2100: and I think we need to resnapshot the point release?
[23:27] <sil2100> vorlon: yes, that too
[23:27] <sil2100> + source iso's as well
[23:28] <sil2100> (once it's all published)
[23:28] <sil2100> vorlon: would be grateful o/
[23:28] <vorlon> ok, I'll take it
[23:29] <sil2100> Thank you!
[23:29]  * sil2100 off to sleep
[23:29] <sil2100> Goodnight
[23:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io [source] (cosmic-proposed) [18.09.2-0ubuntu1~18.10.1]
[23:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io [source] (bionic-proposed) [18.09.2-0ubuntu1~18.04.1]
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted docker.io [source] (xenial-proposed) [18.09.2-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[23:54] <vorlon> infinity: both python-biopython and postgresql-hll regressions w/ glibc 2.29 look to me like fp behavior changes that need someone to understand


[15:55] <Furna_> tomreyn: yes I tried to set explicitly set nameservers https://pastebin.com/fvwYkc6L
[15:56] <Furna_> sadly the resulting conf in /run/systemd/network/10blah.network didn't contain the "[IPv6AcceptRA]" section with "UseDns=no"
[15:57] <Furna_> solution for me was to remove the netplan file /etc/netplan/ and create /etc/systemd/network/50-static-eth0.network
[16:00] <Furna_> I would say netplan need a new IPv6AcceptRA mapping
[16:01] <slyon> Furna_: could you please file a feature request about that at https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+filebug ?
[16:02] <Furna_> *ipv6acceptra-overrides
[16:02] <slyon> maybe just ra-overrides... but that is to be discussed during implementation phase I guess
[16:03] <Furna_> sylon: sure to both
[16:04] <slyon> thank you!
[16:15] <Furna_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1982010
[16:15] <Furna_> You are welcome
[16:21] <Furna_> tomreyn: combining explicitly set nameservers with "accept-ra: true" results in all DNS addresses to be available ... resulting in non consistent behaviour (my ISP DNS obviously doesn't have my private LAN records). Anyway I see some corner cases where having all DNS (both manually set and from RA) is desired ... so new mapping in netplan is preferred and it doesn't change current behaviour
[17:31] <tomreyn> Furna_: hmm, yes, I was afraid this could be the outcome. It's good that you filed the feature request, I think the situation you describe should really be supported.
[17:32] <tomreyn> But I'm just another user, unlike slyon, I think.


[00:00] <StevenR> :)
[00:01] <truepurple> OMG, I am struggling with the simpliest thing, moving the terminal prompt to the "downloads" directory.
[00:01] <StevenR> truepurple: cd ~/Downloads ?
[00:01] <truepurple> It says it knows of no such file or directory
[00:02] <truepurple> oh wait
[00:02] <truepurple> I didn't use a ~
[00:02] <StevenR> truepurple: ~ is shorthand for "My Home Directory"
[00:03] <StevenR> or you can use things like ~someotheruser to go to their homedir (if you have permissions to do so, like managing a fileserver for lots of users)
[00:03] <truepurple> So if @myubuntu:~$ is home, then what is a@myubuntu:/home$ ?
[00:03] <StevenR>  /home is (usually) where everybody's homedirs live
[00:04] <truepurple> That doesn't seem to answer my question
[00:05] <StevenR> well you've pasted two prompt strings
[00:05] <truepurple> Yes
[00:06] <StevenR> one shows the current location as ~ or "My Homedir", the other shows the location as /home (Your homedir will be /home/yourusername
[00:07] <StevenR> so you'd also have say, /home/mycat where all your cat's files are stored, which could also be referenced as ~mycat or by your cat as ~   ... yes, in this example, you own a cat that can use a computer :)
[00:07] <truepurple> So home is different from "my home directory"
[00:07] <holstein> using tab to auto complete the path can help you ensure that you are navigating to something that is there, and not doing any typos
[00:08] <StevenR> truepurple: yes, /home is where everybody's homedirs live
[00:08] <StevenR> so, /home/user1, /home/user2, etc, etc
[00:08] <holstein> truepurple: its probably as simple as Downloads in stead of downloads
[00:10] <truepurple> It was the absense of the ~ actually
[00:10] <truepurple> I so miss the simplicity of windows root directory and folder system sometimes
[00:11] <truepurple> linux's folder system seems a mite unnecessarily complex
[00:11] <holstein> yeah, root all the time
[00:12] <holstein> the negatives far outweigh the positives for me though
[00:12] <holstein> and i like how nothing is hiding from me in linux
[00:12] <holstein> it might not be plain english, but its a language that i have access to learn if i choose to
[00:12] <truepurple> When I install a linux program, it always seems to decide where to install, and where to put its link in menu for me, how can I take that power back?
[00:13] <holstein> truepurple: you dont really want to i think
[00:13] <holstein> part of the 'magic' is the package management
[00:13] <truepurple> At least in windows, many install programs will let you decide such things
[00:13] <holstein> its mostly self maintaining
[00:13] <holstein> you can do it literally however you want
[00:14] <truepurple> If it puts the programs and links in folders in a patter that makes more sense to me, it will be easier for me to find them latter
[00:14] <truepurple> *pattern
[00:14] <truepurple> Why would it be a good thing for me to lose that selection?
[00:14] <holstein> why do you need to find them though?
[00:14] <holstein> i try and let apt deal with it whenever possible
[00:14] <truepurple> Say, if I want to start the program, or if I want to copy and paste a save file
[00:15] <holstein> a save file?
[00:15] <holstein> those are all in your /home
[00:15] <truepurple> There are different subfolders within your home directory
[00:15] <holstein> right
[00:16] <truepurple> Why can't I choose which one different things go to?
[00:16] <holstein> and hidden config directories
[00:16] <holstein> truepurple: its linux, you always can choose
[00:16] <truepurple> And why can't I choose which menu to go down under apps or whatever, to start a program?
[00:16] <holstein> but, going outside of what the system expects, as far as defaults, could prove to be more trouble than its worth
[00:16] <holstein> truepurple: you can
[00:16] <truepurple> No, its linux, it never lets me pick
[00:16] <holstein> its linux
[00:17] <holstein> truepurple: pick?
[00:17] <truepurple> choose
[00:17] <truepurple> pick=choose
[00:17] <holstein> by using synaptic or whatever, you are choosing
[00:17] <holstein> thats what happens when you apt-get that app
[00:17] <holstein> you can change that behavior
[00:17] <holstein> edit it afterwards
[00:17] <truepurple> Synaptic just installs it, doesn't let me choose the wheres
[00:17] <truepurple> how??
[00:18] <holstein> truepurple: its package management, thats implicit in the action of installing that way
[00:18] <truepurple> Huh?
[00:18] <holstein> truepurple: i just use apt, and am quite happy with the menu placement, but when i want to customize that, i use the menu editor in gnome
[00:19] <truepurple> So where is the menu editor? And how can I choose when I originally install?
[00:19] <truepurple> AFK a moment
[00:19] <holstein> truepurple: you can just build what you want from scratch, or compile it yourself
[00:20] <holstein> that will get you whatever result you want
[00:20] <truepurple> build?
[00:20] <truepurple> I'm no programmer
[00:20] <holstein> truepurple: thats what we are taking advantage of using apt or whatever
[00:20] <holstein> someone else has done the work for us
[00:21] <holstein> and we install it, and it does whatever its built to do, as far as menu and whatever else
[00:21] <holstein> you can always make your own packages, or build from scratch
[00:21] <holstein> but, that negates (for me) what i like to take advantage of with package management
[00:22] <truepurple> So its either use the installer, or make your own? What a inferior method to what windows does
[00:22] <holstein> truepurple: ?
[00:22] <holstein> its very similar then
[00:22] <holstein> you go and make an installer, like an .exe
[00:22] <truepurple> Windows programs don't require you to build your own damn installer, but do allow you to choose download location and menu location
[00:22] <holstein> and you are responsible for it
[00:22] <holstein> truepurple: someone has built those windows applications
[00:23] <truepurple> Linux installers should ask you where you want these things too
[00:23] <truepurple> Yeah so?
[00:23] <StevenR> truepurple: hundreds of people have spent many hours packaging literally thousands of pieces of software for ubuntu, all available on demand to you :)
[00:23] <holstein> and you arent required to build them in linux, you can take advantage of whats already build
[00:23] <holstein> truepurple: i dont want them to ask me
[00:23] <holstein> and others dont either
[00:23] <StevenR> truepurple: why do you need to pick where the bits of the package live, so long as you can launch them?
[00:23] <truepurple> If you need to get into the program, and sometimes you do
[00:24] <holstein> there are rules in place for where menu icons go. its quite an elegant process really
[00:24] <holstein> truepurple: you still can get in there, you just need to learn where the files are
[00:24] <truepurple> Whats wrong with it asking?  (There are a ton of "find" type tools anyway :) )
[00:25] <holstein> truepurple: it doesnt need to... i dont want to be asked... when i install firefox, it goes to the internet menu item
[00:25] <StevenR> truepurple: because it doesn't need to ask. Things go in standard places.
[00:25] <holstein> yeah, they are standard to linux systems, and protocols that are in place
[00:26] <StevenR> truepurple: all the config files are in /etc, log files in /var/log. It works out really well :)
[00:26] <holstein> truepurple: it sounds like you are saying 'why isnt ubuntu windows?' and its just not
[00:27] <truepurple> StevenR: An example of what exactly?
[00:27] <holstein> example?
[00:27] <StevenR> truepurple: "if you need to get into the program" ... an example of that... why would I? What would I need to do?
[00:28] <holstein> if i did need to get in there, i can, and i can always make my own custom version of whatever i want, and im actually encouraged to do so
[00:28] <holstein> nothing is hiding anywhere
[00:29] <truepurple> Well heres a example, one AV program wanted to be under applications> system tools, and another wanted to be under applications> accessories Now maybe I can change this after the fact, but I really should have been allows to choose where they were in the first place
[00:29] <holstein> truepurple: thats just the menu though... thats really not a big deal at all
[00:29] <truepurple> When are more options, a bad thing? Those that don't want to use those options, need not do so
[00:29] <truepurple> It is a big deal to me
[00:29] <truepurple> It means trouble finding the app when I want to use it
[00:30] <holstein> truepurple: you can easily edit that
[00:30] <truepurple> It should allow me to choose in the first place
[00:30] <StevenR> but *why* ?
[00:30] <holstein> truepurple: you can always file a bug report on anything
[00:30] <truepurple> Because its better for the users
[00:30] <StevenR> truepurple: ok, how is it better?
[00:30] <truepurple> More options are always a good thing, especially with something like how things are organized
[00:31] <holstein> truepurple: its not better for me though, because i prefer it as-is, and the fact of the matter is, we can both customize
[00:31] <truepurple> Its like this, if you moved into a apartment, even if the apartment did provide the movers, would you want them to decide where everything is placed?
[00:31] <StevenR> truepurple: no, they aren't always a good thing. OK, You've bought a server from my work.  ALL of it. You can build your own package that puts the menu item in the COOKIEMONSTER folder on the programs menu if you want.
[00:33] <holstein> you can build your own purplebuntu that does all of that, and share it with others
[00:33] <holstein> and link it here :)
[00:33] <truepurple> I don't know how to make packages, and even if I did, I shouldn't have to go through all that work, just to be able to decide where it puts the damn shortcuts
[00:34] <holstein> truepurple: windows doesnt ask that either, not about the menu
[00:34] <truepurple> I mean that sounds like more work then moving the links after the fact
[00:34] <holstein> theres not even what i consider proper sub menus
[00:34] <holstein> its just a big list
[00:34] <truepurple> Yes it does, well depends on the program, many do though
[00:34] <holstein> but, thats just my opinion
[00:34] <holstein> truepurple: nope, just the install location
[00:34] <holstein> not the menu
[00:35] <StevenR> truepurple: those choices are designed to work out of the box and be simple to get people up and running. If you feel a particualr package has got it wrong, file a bug for that packae. It's not a perfect universe.
[00:35] <truepurple> And menu locations too with at least some
[00:35] <holstein> truepurple: ive never seen it, i havent used windows much since XP, but what i just tested the other day in win7 (todo backup) didnt ask
[00:35] <truepurple> One could allow people to choose where it installes, and have it no less simple
[00:35] <holstein> truepurple: you can allow that for yourself and others if you want
[00:36] <truepurple> Some have for me holstian
[00:36] <holstein> if you want ubuntu to do that, you'll need to file a bug report, and follow up
[00:36] <StevenR> truepurple: you've added a layer of complexity that most people don't care about. Most packages get it right (as far as I can see).
[00:36] <holstein> get it marked wish-list
[00:36] <truepurple> Where do you go for that?
[00:37] <truepurple> One simple thing ubuntu and probably others need, is to have windows url links working by default
[00:37] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[00:37] <truepurple> Especially since the code for it is so simple
[00:37] <StevenR> truepurple: "windows url links" ?
[00:37] <StevenR> huh?
[00:37] <truepurple> Links to webpages made under windows
[00:37]  * holstein doesnt follow
[00:38] <holstein> webpages made under windows?
[00:38] <StevenR> you mean .lnk files?
[00:38] <truepurple> If you pull the icon next to a URL to a desktop or folder it creates a link to a webpage, when you do this under windows, those links don't work by default under ubuntu
[00:38] <StevenR> truepurple: well, file a bug report.
[00:39] <truepurple> Suggestions go under bug reports too?
[00:39] <holstein> yeah, i didnt know about that one
[00:39] <StevenR> truepurple: provide a patch, or maybe an algorhythm on how to do it?
[00:39] <StevenR> truepurple: yeah, wish-list or similar category probably.
[00:39] <truepurple> Well someone else gave me the code and instructions (and I dont know if I still have the instructions, but I am sure they can figure it out)
[00:39] <holstein> most folks find it easier to just make their own spin
[00:40] <truepurple> spin?
[00:40] <holstein> truepurple: you and i or anyone can take ubuntu and change it or whatever
[00:40] <holstein> we have access to all the resources freely
[00:40] <truepurple> There is already enough distros
[00:40] <StevenR> truepurple: the more help you can give, the more likely you are to get the outcome you want. (with the bug report on links)
[00:41] <truepurple> And theres that weird thing where programs arent available to all distros, even though I thought any linux program could work on any linux distro
[00:41] <holstein> you can always build it
[00:41] <holstein> well, assuming the creator gives you what you need i suppose
[00:41] <StevenR> truepurple: that just means that a program hasn't been packaged for that distro.
[00:41] <truepurple> Hell, I still don't even know what you mean by "build it" and I doubt I could, whatever it means
[00:42] <holstein> truepurple: its linux, the answer is always yes :)
[00:42] <holstein> doesnt mean its easy though...
[00:44] <holstein> StevenR: you have guest os's hosted via ssh with virt-manager?
[00:45] <StevenR> holstein: could you precise your question please?
[00:46] <holstein> maybe... im wondering if you have the guest hosted elsewhere and connect to if via ssh ?
[00:46] <StevenR> I run virt-manager over ssh (either with ssh -X or using virt-manager's builtin ssh-hook) and I access the guests via ssh (mostly, some are desktop test machines and similar)
[00:47] <StevenR> holstein: I have a box with 16GB of RAM, though I rarely sit in front of it. It's also my "TV" (using mythtv and a couple of DVB usb sticks)
[00:48] <holstein> i'll have to see if i can get my mind around it... virtualbox is very GUI easy, but i think i might like some of that functionality
[01:19] <thewrath> hey all
[01:19] <thewrath> when is the next meeting
[01:26] <thewrath> hey stlsaint
[01:28] <stlsaint> thewrath: sup man
[01:28] <thewrath> nothing much
[01:29] <stlsaint> thewrath: you see now backtrack iso released?
[01:29] <stlsaint> im way behind on it already
[01:29] <thewrath> new backtrack?
[01:29] <thewrath> is it 4?
[01:30] <stlsaint> nope 5
[01:30] <stlsaint> and it looks flipping awesome
[01:30] <thewrath> oh ok
[01:30] <thewrath> wow really
[01:31] <stlsaint> yep, they released a kde version this go around
[01:31] <stlsaint> thewrath: after i take the pen-tester course maybe i can try and circumvent that honeypot you got all setup ;)
[01:31] <thewrath> lol
[01:31] <thewrath> I have not set it up yet
[01:32] <thewrath> I was talking with bodhi and he said use honeyd on fedora
[01:32] <stlsaint> aye, well hopefully sometime next year after i get back from kuwait and take course
[01:32] <thewrath> ok
[01:32] <thewrath> what course?
[01:32] <stlsaint> thewrath: yes fedora is extremely app rich as i am starting to see
[01:32] <stlsaint> especially with virtualization and security
[01:32] <thewrath> well fedora is red hat beta as i like it call it
[01:33] <stlsaint> thewrath: the offensive security course for backtrack
[01:33] <thewrath> nice
[01:33] <stlsaint> im actually mad at a few of the default configs in fedora, particualry with yum that even upstream doesnt do
[01:33] <stlsaint> but thats for another time, gotta go man, bbiab (about an hour)
[01:33] <thewrath> upstream?
[01:33] <stlsaint> red hat
[01:33] <thewrath> ok
[09:46] <HAWK_> is this where i can ask a question?
[11:44] <Mohan_chml> o/ philinux
[11:57] <philinux> 0/
[11:59] <Mohan_chml> how is life philinux ?
[12:03] <philinux> Mohan_chml: good yeah. Just checking emails etc etc
[12:03] <Mohan_chml> kewl!
[13:24] <HAWK_> hello
[13:31] <RiggsFolly> Hi, I am new to all forms of *nix. I have just installed Ubuntu 11.04 and am looking for some doc on "Users and Groups". When I look at ubuntu.com the screen shots dont match the ones I get on my installation? Have I got the wrong desktop manager running, or have things changed since the doc was last maintained?
[13:32] <RiggsFolly> Also I cannot find a description of the groups that already exists which the Group Manager! Can somebody point me to some good docs.
[14:35] <holstein> RiggsFolly: hey
[14:36] <holstein> im going to assume you have 11.04 installed
[14:36] <holstein> 11.04 used the unity desktop, and *if* you dont have 3d support on with your graphics hardware, you will be defaulted to gnome
[14:37] <holstein> thats why the screenshots would look different than what you see
[14:38] <holstein> for the user information, what are you trying to do?
[15:17] <tyr> hi, i know this might be a silly question, but how do you address a user so that he will see my message highlighted red?
[15:17] <holstein> tyr: like that <<
[15:17] <tyr> yes, like that
[15:18] <holstein> i just used your nick
[15:18] <holstein> you can use tab to complete the nick
[15:18] <holstein> type hol and hit tab
[15:18] <tyr> holstein, test
[15:18] <coalwater> holstein, hi :D
[15:18] <coalwater> lol
[15:18] <tyr> ok, thanks
[15:18] <holstein> if you type h and hit tab a bunch, you'll scroll through the h's
[15:18] <holstein> coalwater: o/ :)
[15:19] <coalwater> btw, holstein  who should i talk to if i want to get a cloak
[15:19] <holstein> coalwater: i got mine in #freenode
[15:20] <holstein> the free unafilliated one
[15:20] <coalwater> u just go there and ask anyone?
[15:20] <holstein> they gave me one for me and my bot :)
[15:20] <holstein> coalwater: yeah, if its not busy, an op should be able to hook you up really quick
[15:21] <holstein> i wouldnt ping an op though... i would just try later if no one responds
[15:22] <holstein> coalwater: you can also donate and get a cloak
[15:22] <coalwater> lol of course i can :D
[15:22] <holstein> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[15:22] <coalwater> bet they wont mind a donation , but i can use some donations my self, so no i could stick with ugly free ones :D lol
[15:29] <RiggsFolly> holstein: Sorry, the Mother in law called and needed a bit of remote support.
[15:31] <RiggsFolly> holstein: I do have 11.04 installed and I guess the graphics card issue could be the case as its a fairly old PC i am using.
[15:35] <holstein> RiggsFolly: theres a 2d version of unity if you are interested, and cant get 3d support for your card
[15:35] <RiggsFolly> holstein: Just checked and yes I have Gnome running
[15:36] <coalwater> holstein, got it :D
[15:38] <RiggsFolly> holstein: I can live without unity for now.
[15:38] <coalwater> RiggsFolly, sometimes installing drivers does the trick
[15:38] <RiggsFolly> holstein: RE: User and Group info. I see there are a set of GROUPS defined in group manager but I dont know what any of them mean. Especially confused about adm and admin??
[15:39] <RiggsFolly> holdsein: I can guess most of them but some documentation would be nice!
[15:40] <RiggsFolly> coolwater: Ok thanks. I will have to find out how to get drivers, once I work out what graphics card is in this mechine.
[15:41] <coalwater> if ur on classic gnome u should have administrator > additional drivers, try there
[15:41] <coalwater> administration* i think
[15:41] <RiggsFolly> coolwater: Currently has an nvidia driver runnning
[15:41] <RiggsFolly> GFORCE 6200
[15:41] <RiggsFolly> I will have to check what that is capable of!!
[15:42] <RiggsFolly> Does UBUNTU keep a hardware compatibility list somewhere
[15:44] <holstein> RiggsFolly: we have extensive wikis, but i suggest getting a question in mind, and going from there
[15:44] <holstein> the only reason im aware of user groups is for audio work
[15:44] <holstein> i run sudo adduser holstein audio
[15:45] <holstein> that adds my user to the audio group which gives that user rights to use the sound device
[15:45] <holstein> otherwise, when i run JACK, i need to run JACK as root, and all the other audio apps as root
[15:45] <holstein> and you generally want to be careful what you are running as root and why
[15:46] <holstein> RiggsFolly: if its just a general 'whats this button do?' kind of question, i say, dont push that button, and take it slow
[15:46] <holstein> and i think you'll get the hang of it as you go
[15:47] <holstein> and as always, any specific questions you have, feel free to ask here
[15:47] <RiggsFolly> well i guess i am being picky. I am an old techy and I like to understand what I am up to. Ignorance is not so much bliss as dangerous in my experience
[15:47] <holstein> heres a very little information on adding users and groups
[15:47] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto
[15:48] <holstein> RiggsFolly: its all about permissions really
[15:48] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 2 starting in 12 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:48] <RiggsFolly> yea thats what I was talking about when I said my windows look different to the ones in the graphics i.e the content is layed out differently
[15:49] <holstein> RiggsFolly: gnome is quite different than unity
[15:50] <holstein> if you have no frame of reference, you probably wont care much, or miss something that unity has
[15:50] <RiggsFolly> wow, i guess all this flexibility is great when you have a handle on what you are doing. Right now it just seems to make things even more complicated for me the beginner
[15:51] <holstein> RiggsFolly: i can identify with that
[15:51] <holstein> i moved my recording studio over to linux not too long ago
[15:51] <RiggsFolly> And that doc does not mention anything about the "groups" and what rights they impart to a user when a user is placed i one of them
[15:52] <holstein> the options are daunting at first, but its literally as close as i feel i cant get to a 'your imagination is your only limit' system
[15:52] <holstein> RiggsFolly: think of it this way
[15:52] <holstein> you and i are going to make that document
[15:52] <holstein> for one thing, some apps you install make groups
[15:53] <holstein> SO, we have some users with different groups than others
[15:53] <holstein> and all of the groups are going to have different permissions based on what they are and what they do
[15:53] <holstein> and also, how the user may or may not customize those permission
[15:53] <holstein> RiggsFolly: some of them are obvious
[15:53] <holstein> like the one im familiar with... audio
[15:54] <holstein> the audio groups has permission to use the audio devices
[15:54] <holstein> root would have those permissions, and now my user does
[15:54] <RiggsFolly> holstein: correct some of them are. Or is that just a dangerous assumption
[15:54] <holstein> why would i not want that out of the box?
[15:54] <holstein> security
[15:55] <holstein> it becomes more obvious with some of the disk groups
[15:55] <holstein> i also add myself to the firewire group, this means if something malicious was happening on a firewire network device
[15:56] <holstein> that something malicious *could* have root access
[15:56] <RiggsFolly> holstein: I understand the concept of group based security, I have been in tech support ( not unix ) for many years.
[15:57] <RiggsFolly> What I am asking is: Is there a doc somewhere that describes what rights/privilages are imparted to a user for each of the groups in that GROUP list.
[15:58] <holstein> RiggsFolly: right, but how would that doc look?
[15:58] <holstein> im saying, if you and i want to make that doc, these are some of the issues we would face trying to make that doc
[15:59] <holstein> the groups list is *not* necessarily static
[15:59] <raju> i have installed java successfully from a .bin file
[15:59] <holstein> http://thameera.wordpress.com/2011/06/16/unity-2d/ < on unity 2d if you're interested
[15:59] <RiggsFolly> adm = This gives the group member the right to xxxxx
[15:59] <RiggsFolly> avahi-autoipd = This gives the group member the right to yyyyyy
[15:59] <raju> if i enter java or javac its not listing the flow and showing some pkgs
[15:59] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup
[16:00] <RiggsFolly> holstein: Aghhhhhh now we might be getting somewhere
[16:01] <holstein> RiggsFolly: you could search/ask on a group by group basis
[16:01] <holstein> i think that would be best
[16:01] <RiggsFolly> ok thanks
[16:02] <holstein> RiggsFolly: also, these wikis are 2 ways really... if you feel we need a 'default user groups explained' wiki page, go for it... i'll even help if i can
[16:03] <RiggsFolly> yea, think I had better learn a littel more before I go telling others the wgong thing
[16:03] <RiggsFolly> but I will bear the idea of getting involved in mind
[16:04] <holstein> RiggsFolly: thats why i dont want to say too much as well
[16:05] <holstein> i have only used those few groups enough to really have something to share
[16:05] <RiggsFolly> ok well thanks for what you have done for me.
[16:06] <holstein> i think keeping in mind that any of these groups your user is in can be a potential security risk is enough
[16:06] <RiggsFolly> exactly
[16:06] <holstein> i have to be in the audio group and video
[16:06] <holstein> and im aware of the risks
[16:06] <holstein> i dont do that on every machine though
[16:07] <holstein> i could also do something like have a seperate user for recording audio
[16:07] <holstein> i bascially have that since i have a dedicated machine for that task
[16:08] <RiggsFolly> the more i see about these groups the less I think i need to use them for what I want to do
[16:10] <holstein> RiggsFolly: whats the goal?
[16:11] <holstein> RiggsFolly: also, its challenging as well to have a hardware compatibility list
[16:11] <holstein> there are lots of wikis though, and a new 'ubuntu friendly' initiative
[16:11] <RiggsFolly> the goal was actually only to understand what they were each for
[16:11] <holstein> but, a kernel rev and really knock out some support for older hardware
[16:12] <RiggsFolly> like I say I like to know what I am doing and I dont on unix ( I am a mainframe and Windows guy )
[16:12] <holstein> RiggsFolly: the more i learn about ubuntu and the internals, the more im just amazed that it all works and anything gets done
[16:12] <holstein> theres *so* much information
[16:13] <holstein> just bug reports alone are quite time consuming
[16:13] <holstein> RiggsFolly: its just different
[16:13] <holstein> with windows, what would you do?
[16:13] <holstein> you'd buy hardware and look for a driver
[16:13] <holstein> not much different really
[16:14] <holstein> theres just more freedom i find
[16:14] <RiggsFolly> yea, I just wanted to set up a PC to run as a jukebox basically. To site in the Clubs bar and play CD's and the like
[16:14] <RiggsFolly> maybe I am just getting a bit to picky
[16:14] <holstein> RiggsFolly: the answer is always yes basically
[16:14] <holstein> nothing is hiding from you
[16:14] <holstein> and instead of microsoft, its really just you and me
[16:14] <holstein> and we can do whatever we learn how to do
[16:15] <RiggsFolly> THAST WHAT WORRIES ME, cause I knoe I dont know enough
[16:15] <holstein> RiggsFolly: you gotta start somewhere :)
[16:15] <RiggsFolly> anyway  THANKS. I got go now and collect the GF from work
[16:15] <holstein> sure... we can talk about some jukebox solutions sometime if you'd like
[16:15] <holstein> o/
[16:26] <bdfhjk> Hi!
[16:27] <bdfhjk> Is there anyone, who can help me in router issue on ubuntu?
[16:28] <holstein> bdfhjk: i can try, whats up?
[16:28] <bdfhjk> I have new router
[16:28] <bdfhjk> and try to connect to it
[16:28] <bdfhjk> using <IP_ADDRESS> addres
[16:28] <bdfhjk> but in this addres I have apache welcome page
[16:29] <bdfhjk> I removed apache, deleted IP from /etc/network/interfaces
[16:29] <holstein> maybe the router has a webserver
[16:29] <bdfhjk> but still entering <IP_ADDRESS> I see "it works! "
[16:30] <bdfhjk> no, this router work normal in windows
[16:30] <holstein> hit control+F5 as well
[16:30] <holstein> maybe you are seeing a cached page
[16:30] <bdfhjk> and I see this message also when it is not connected
[16:31] <bdfhjk> this is not cached
[16:31] <bdfhjk> I restarted computer :-)
[16:31] <holstein> that doesnt mean its not cached
[16:32] <holstein> if the machine is not online, and you are seeing a webpage that used to be at <IP_ADDRESS>, thats a cached page
[16:32] <holstein> bdfhjk: control+F5 forces a refresh in most browsers
[16:32] <holstein> restarting the box doesnt necessarily
[16:33] <holstein> bdfhjk: control+F5 did what??
[16:39] <holstein> bdfhjk: whats the word?
[16:39] <holstein> im about to head out the door... i still say its a cached page
[16:39] <holstein> if you cant figure out control+F5, and you dont want to clear the browser cache, install another web browser and try it
[16:39] <holstein> sudo apt-get install midori
[16:42] <coalwater> bdfhjk, are u sure the router is on that ip ?
[16:42] <coalwater> like for example my ip uses <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:42] <coalwater> my router* sorry
[16:43] <coalwater> check the default route on the connection information on the network applet
[16:43] <coalwater> or not :D
[16:43] <coalwater> he broke his router
[16:43] <coalwater> lol
[16:45] <bdfhjk> eh now I am back
[16:45] <bdfhjk> I connected by wi-fi to router
[16:45] <bdfhjk> and now I can connect by wi-fi
[16:45] <bdfhjk> but I can't connect by eth
[17:00] <kristian-aalborg> has anybody had success running this "paltalk" thing on Linux?
[17:00] <kristian-aalborg> I see it can be done via Wine/VM... but nothing native, amirite?
[17:11] <coalwater> bdfhjk, can u tell me ur problem again, u can't connect to the router thru eth0 but u can from wifi ?
[17:33] <bdfhjk> coalwater: hi
[17:33] <coalwater> hello
[17:33] <bdfhjk> coalwater: now I solved one problem
[17:33] <bdfhjk> coalwater: and have another
[17:34] <bdfhjk> coalwater: I try to set internet sharing
[17:34] <bdfhjk> coalwater: from PC (Ubuntu, ppp0 - wireless modem)
[17:34] <coalwater> there was a post in the website about internet sharing
[17:34] <bdfhjk> using router
[17:34] <coalwater> hm let me check
[17:34] <bdfhjk> to X10
[17:34] <bdfhjk> phone
[17:35] <coalwater> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ShareEthernetConnectionThroughWireless
[17:36] <bdfhjk> thanks, but
[17:36] <bdfhjk> I saw this
[17:36] <bdfhjk> the main problem
[17:37] <bdfhjk> I can connect phone to router and computer to router
[17:37] <bdfhjk> I can also set a firestarter to enable connection sharing
[17:38] <bdfhjk> but I can't set a gateway in router
[17:38] <bdfhjk> I don't know how to do it
[17:39] <bdfhjk> So what IP I should put in gateway
[17:39] <bdfhjk> My ppp0 IP or my computer-router IP (eth0)
[17:39] <bdfhjk> ?
[17:41] <holstein> my router's ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:41] <coalwater> i don't really know, most these stuff are auto
[17:41] <coalwater> dhcp handles most of this
[17:42] <holstein> right
[17:42] <holstein> you can always set it to static
[17:42] <bdfhjk> My router DHCP assign IP for X10
[17:42] <holstein> i have <IP_ADDRESS> through <IP_ADDRESS> for DHCP
[17:43] <bdfhjk> But it should direct connections to PC
[17:43] <holstein> your router assigns an ip for everything unless you specifiy otherwise
[17:43] <holstein> thats what you have asked it to do
[17:43] <bdfhjk> and I don't know how to set it to do this
[17:43] <holstein> static ip
[17:44] <bdfhjk> where ?
[17:45] <holstein> i dont know what an x10 is
[17:46] <bdfhjk> It is impossible to set it in android
[17:46] <holstein> but i would probably start with 'x10 how to set static ip
[17:46] <holstein> bdfhjk: should be
[17:46] <bdfhjk> I know should be :-)
[17:46] <bdfhjk> but isn't
[17:46] <bdfhjk> I must use DHCP
[17:46] <bdfhjk> and set all in router
[17:47] <holstein> http://androidforums.com/htc-hero/48713-static-ip-address.html
[17:47] <bdfhjk> I don't have advanced tab
[17:48] <bdfhjk> because I don't rooted it
[17:48] <bdfhjk> when I root phone, I lose my guarantion
[17:51] <holstein> bdfhjk: on the wifi tab?
[17:51] <bdfhjk> yes
[17:51] <bdfhjk> I read about it some days ago
[17:53] <holstein> bdfhjk: you wont be able to set a static ip on cellular
[17:53] <holstein> thats not what you want anyways
[17:54] <holstein> ive seen some router firmware that lets you specifiy
[17:54] <holstein> eitherway, you should be able to find the IP of the droid
[17:54] <holstein> im just not clear on what you want
[17:55] <holstein> i mean, you dont need to share anything on the buntu box if you have wifi from the router
[17:55] <holstein> i use http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/index assuming you have a compatilble device
[17:55] <holstein> might give you more flexibility
[18:03] <bdfhjk> sorry for late answer
[18:03] <bdfhjk> I have wi-fi from the router
[18:04] <bdfhjk> I am thinking about how to tell my router to direct connections to ppp0 in ubuntu computer
[18:04] <holstein> why?
[18:05] <bdfhjk> because my phone can only connect to router
[18:05] <bdfhjk> can't to computer
[18:05] <holstein> right, but whats the problem with that?
[18:05] <holstein> at that point they are networked
[18:06] <holstein> making the phone share the network from the buntu box shouldnt give you any more functionality
[18:06] <holstein> AFAIK, it will basically be acting as a switch
[18:08] <bdfhjk> problem lays in android system policy
[18:08] <bdfhjk> with don't allow to modify system settings
[18:08] <holstein> right, but thats *always* going to be the same
[18:09] <holstein> doesnt matter how you connect to your network
[18:09] <holstein> what are you trying to do?
[18:09] <bdfhjk> I am trying to have net in my phone :-)
[18:09] <bdfhjk> And in android system
[18:09] <bdfhjk> phone can only connect to wi-fi AP
[18:10] <bdfhjk> ad-hoc connections aren't allowed
[18:10] <holstein> right, but that gets you 'net on the phone'
[18:10] <holstein> when you connect via wifi
[18:12] <bdfhjk> You mean via wifi to computer?
[18:12] <holstein> where ever
[18:12] <holstein> i mean to the router
[18:13] <holstein> where i am pretty sure if i understand you, you are able to connect
[18:13] <holstein> connecting the phone to the computer bypassing the router wont afford you any more luxuries
[18:14] <bdfhjk> I am sorry If I get You wrong ( I am not expierienced in english)
[18:14] <holstein> OK
[18:14] <bdfhjk> but
[18:14] <holstein> lets imagine for a minute we travel an hour and a half in the future
[18:15] <holstein> and you are connected to the ubuntu box with your phone
[18:15] <holstein> then what?
[18:15] <holstein> you still got the same android permissions issues
[18:15] <holstein> if the issue is the phone, it wont matter where you connect or how
[18:16] <bdfhjk> That isn't true. My computer network card don't have AP mode. My router have it
[18:16] <bdfhjk> and phone can connect only in AP mode
[18:16] <holstein> right, and what does that matter?
[18:16] <holstein> that still doesnt help you with the phone issues
[18:16] <holstein> AP mode doesnt give you more access
[18:16] <holstein> or less
[18:16] <bdfhjk> this not a problem
[18:16] <bdfhjk> the problem is
[18:17] <bdfhjk> how to set router
[18:17] <bdfhjk> that it will direct connections from phone to computer-> internet
[18:17] <holstein> its not doing anything to prevent that
[18:17] <holstein> the 2 devices are on the network
[18:17] <bdfhjk> yes
[18:17] <bdfhjk> but look
[18:18] <bdfhjk> my computer have <IP_ADDRESS> IP
[18:18] <bdfhjk> my phone ....5
[18:18] <holstein> right
[18:18] <bdfhjk> and my router ....1
[18:18] <holstein> right, router/gateway
[18:18] <bdfhjk> but when I use internet on phone
[18:18] <bdfhjk> it connect with gateway
[18:19] <bdfhjk> but gateway isn't connected with internet
[18:19] <holstein> ah.. theres the piece of the puzzle ive been missing
[18:19] <holstein> the ubuntu box is connected to the internet
[18:19] <holstein> and the router is not
[18:20] <holstein> you cant just run the internet into the router? and use it in a more traditional fashion?
[18:21] <coalwater> ok so can i try imagine something, u have gateway, with no wireless, and a router with a wireless? and u want to connect internet to the router to give access to the phone ?
[18:22] <coalwater> it sounds more like a switch with a wireless interface
[18:22] <holstein> well, i just have one router/gateway
[18:22] <bdfhjk> hm...
[18:22] <coalwater> yea
[18:22] <holstein> the others just act like switches
[18:22] <bdfhjk> maybe I draw it
[18:22] <bdfhjk> and create thread at forum
[18:23] <coalwater> gateway->router->computer would do fine
[18:23] <holstein> im not clear on why you dont use the router as that, a router, and plug the main internet directly into it
[18:24] <holstein> and then, connect all other devices through the router, which is online
[18:24] <holstein> and then, all devices have internet, and are networked with each other
[18:24] <bdfhjk> because I have cellular internet
[18:24] <coalwater> i've seen one at my cousin, the router doesn't really have a gateway, so it's just a switch with wirelsss, i think that's what he's talking about
[18:24] <bdfhjk> form HSDPA modem in netbook
[18:24] <holstein> bdfhjk: you should lead with that next time
[18:24] <bdfhjk> sorry
[18:25] <coalwater> so the computer is the gateway
[18:25] <bdfhjk> yes
[18:25] <coalwater> lol
[18:25] <coalwater> that's totally different now
[18:25] <bdfhjk> but phone can't direct connect to computer
[18:25] <holstein> still, if the netbook has 2 network cards you should be able to grab wifi, and sent it via wired network to the router
[18:25] <holstein> then, like coalwater says gateway-router-devices
[18:26] <bdfhjk> I try to set up router it this model
[18:26] <bdfhjk> computer connect to internet
[18:26] <coalwater> does the computer have wireless?
[18:26] <bdfhjk> yes
[18:26] <coalwater> so u want the wireless to act as an access point
[18:26] <holstein> yeah, make a wifi router out of the netbook
[18:27] <bdfhjk> I want to use router as access point
[18:27] <holstein> connect it up wired then, and use it like a switch
[18:27] <coalwater> it's kinda easy to do so on windows, u mark an interface to allow others to connect, and let others target that ip
[18:27] <bdfhjk> yes, but not in android
[18:27] <bdfhjk> when I have windows mobile
[18:28] <holstein> android will just connect to the AP though
[18:28] <holstein> and that will be online
[18:28] <holstein> in this scenario^
[18:28] <bdfhjk> yes
[18:28] <bdfhjk> but how to make AP ?
[18:28] <coalwater> ok, connect to the router, and connect the router to the pc, and write the computer ip as a gateway ip
[18:28] <bdfhjk> ok
[18:28] <bdfhjk> but what IP
[18:29] <bdfhjk> 'what computer IP
[18:29] <coalwater> the computer's ip on the wired network
[18:29] <bdfhjk> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[18:29] <coalwater> i dont know ur network set up, if that's the computer ip then i guess
[18:29] <bdfhjk> ok
[18:29] <bdfhjk> I try
[18:37] <bdfhjk> When I connect to router
[18:37] <bdfhjk> my computer was disconnected with internet
[18:37] <bdfhjk> and I don't know
[18:37] <bdfhjk> where to set gateway in router
[18:38] <bdfhjk> please look
[18:38] <bdfhjk> http://www.image-share.com/ipng-772-17.html
[18:38] <bdfhjk> http://www.image-share.com/ipng-772-18.html
[18:38] <bdfhjk> there are screenshots from my router settings page
[18:42] <keapon> bdfhjk I don't know, but usually gateways end in a .1 or .0
[18:44] <bdfhjk> keapon: not in this case
[18:46] <holstein> you dont want the gateway to the a computer IP
[18:47] <holstein> bdfhjk: work with a small piece of the puzzle
[18:47] <holstein> take the cellular connected machine while its connected
[18:47] <holstein> wire the router to it, and get that forwarding the network like a switch
[18:47] <holstein> at that point, everything else should just connect and be easy
[18:50] <bdfhjk> I must set forwarding in gateway
[18:50] <bdfhjk> actual my gateway is router
[18:50] <bdfhjk> and I can't change this
[18:51] <holstein> nah.. you just want to share on the machine
[18:51] <holstein> the router will just do that
[18:51] <holstein> route
[18:51] <holstein> the cellular connected netbook will be acting like a modem for you
[18:52] <bdfhjk> yes
[18:52] <bdfhjk> but my phone don't know this
[18:52] <holstein> your phone is not an issue
[18:52] <holstein> the phone doesnt need to be in the equation yet
[18:53] <holstein> you get the router working properly, and you can connect your phone or whatever to that later
[18:53] <bdfhjk> holstein, I setted internet forwarding, connected phone to router and router to computer
[18:54] <bdfhjk> but I must also tell router, that it should look at internet in computer
[18:54] <holstein> right, thats not the order
[18:54] <holstein> dont connect anything to the router yet
[18:54] <bdfhjk> so what I should do?
[18:54] <holstein> bdfhjk: put the phone down
[18:54] <holstein> the router will just take the internet from the wired network device on the computer
[18:54] <holstein> when that is configured properly
[18:55] <bdfhjk> this not working
[18:56] <holstein> right
[18:56] <holstein> does your ISP block this?
[18:56] <holstein> what i would do is get another known good network card, like on a desktop machine or another laptop
[18:57] <holstein> i would plug that into the netbook with the cellular connection
[18:57] <holstein> i would then configure the netbook intil it was sending its internet over to the other machine via the wired interface
[18:57] <holstein> i would want to ping google.com or whatever
[18:58] <holstein> THEN, in theory, when you plug the router in where that test machine was plugged in, it *should* just work
[19:00] <bdfhjk> I try to solve this tomorow
[19:02] <bdfhjk> Thanks for help
[19:02] <holstein> sure
[19:02] <bdfhjk> holstein, coalwater and keapon
[19:02] <coalwater> hey
[19:02] <holstein> the issue is not with the router though...
[19:02] <holstein> i say, the netbook is *not* passing the network along, unless you have tested that
[19:02] <bdfhjk> I tested, I can connect another computer to netbook by cable and share internet
[19:02] <bdfhjk> but today I am tired
[19:03] <holstein> bdfhjk: with it like that, you should be able to reset the router, and just plug it in
[19:03] <bdfhjk> yes, but this not work ( I tried this)
[19:03] <holstein> bdfhjk: after reseting the router?
[19:03] <holstein> with the button?
[19:04] <holstein> you want to look at a few IP addresses for conflicts then
[19:04] <bdfhjk> yes
[19:06] <holstein> you want to see what IP a machine is getting from the netbook
[19:07] <coalwater> bdfhjk, do u know what i do, i grab the usb sim card and stick it in the phone and use it directly lol
[19:08] <holstein> hehe... thats an idea, i dont have a sim card phone though
[19:09] <keapon> Could it be a DHCP issue? The laptop and the router both trying to assign IP addys?
[19:09] <bdfhjk> I can't do this
[19:09] <bdfhjk> because
[19:10] <bdfhjk> some programs on androin can download data only by wi-fi connection
[19:10] <bdfhjk> and can't use internal mode
[19:10] <bdfhjk> 'modem
[19:10] <bdfhjk> 'android
[19:11] <bdfhjk> sorry for errors
[19:12] <bdfhjk> keapon: not, computers, router and phone have diffrent IPs
[19:14] <keapon> Typically the router assigns internal IPs to whatever devices are connected to it
[19:15] <holstein> yeah, you can try disabling DHCP on the router
[19:15] <holstein> that would be the preferred way either way
[19:23] <keapon> I have a syslog problem, it's not logging


[03:16] <Omnifrog> lol, this place is too active
[03:27] <Unit193> Sure is.
[10:25] <wrst> Omnifrog: it just takes a few days for the activity to build up :)
[18:01] <Juzzy> hehe
[18:02]  * wrst hopefully has quit making so much noise...
[18:02] <wrst> howdy Juzzy
[19:20] <Juzzy> heh
[19:20] <Juzzy> sup
[19:32] <wrst> wondering why Wednesday feels so much like monday :)
[19:32] <wrst> how are you?
[19:34] <Juzzy> busy here
[19:34] <Juzzy> running too many things at once


[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[09:44] <switchgirl> hi i have seen an opertunity for an interview on twitter @katerussle asked for a really cool person to interview
[09:44] <switchgirl> anyone up for it?
[09:45] <popey> you mean @katerussell ?
[09:46] <switchgirl> yeah sorry
[09:46] <popey> switchgirl: does she use ubuntu?
[09:48] <switchgirl> i think she was just wrighting a article and asking in general terms so lets get her wrighting about women in ubuntu
[09:48] <switchgirl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Russell
[09:48] <switchgirl> http://twitter.com/katerussell/status/14283012495
[09:50] <popey> ah, i see