[00:02] <ajmitch> thumper: you mean C++ isn
[00:02] <ajmitch> C++ isn't just C with a couple of extra keywords? :)
[00:03] <thumper> :P
[00:04] <thumper> I'm starting to feel a little mean
[00:04] <thumper> lots of rejections just on CV
[00:05] <thumper> oh well...
[00:05] <lifeless> you can't hire everyone
[00:05] <thumper> I do wish people wouldn't send CVs as word docs
[00:05] <thumper> lifeless: true...
[00:15] <mwhudson> sending a .doc or .docx for a job at canonical does show a certain lack of insight
[00:50] <chilts> what are you guys recruiting for this time? still Launchpad? or other stuff?
[00:51] <thumper> chilts: I'm looking for people to work in unity
[00:51] <chilts> so, no Node.js then :)
[00:51] <chilts> is that why you were talking about c++, 'coz Unity is in that?
[00:52] <thumper> yeah
[00:53] <chilts> so you managed to switch teams? I think I remember you wanted to do something different
[00:53] <thumper> chilts: just over a year ago I moved to what was then called "desktop experience" to work on unity
[00:54] <thumper> after six months or so I ended up managing the team
[00:54] <thumper> name changed to product strategy
[00:54] <chilts> heh, good stuff :)
[00:54] <thumper> now we have multiple form factor targets
[00:54] <chilts> sounds like you have a lot on your hands
[00:55] <thumper> "Eagle Scout with six palm leaves" on a CV
[00:55] <thumper> heh
[00:55] <thumper> no idea what palm leaves are, but must be good, right?
[00:56] <chilts> heh, 26 page CV! that's pretty bad
[00:56] <chilts> last place I sent my CV to I sent it in plain text (with unix line endings) :)
[00:56] <chilts> less than 2 pages
[00:57] <ajmitch> thumper: give my apologies for the meeting tonight, I haven't sufficiently recovered from the ubuflu
[00:57] <thumper> ajmitch: sure, np
[00:57]  * ajmitch just walked to the supermarket & regretted it
[00:58] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:12] <thumper> hmmm... down to 8 people to talk to
[06:55] <ibeardslee> ajmitch: I had a recruitment spam from google as well .. but I'd just updated my linkedin profile.
[19:19] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:21] <ajmitch> morning
[19:33] <chilts> morning
[21:57] <ojwb> morning
[22:00] <kcj> Morning.
[22:01] <thumper> morning
[22:08] <hads> morning


[06:20] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:42] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Good morning!
[09:42] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Phil Linux: … Hey guys! Just came from a friend who wanted to try Linux. Discover really blew the show! Typing "thunderbird" repeatedly did show everything but thunderbird!
[09:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> In Kubuntu 18.04.
[09:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Very sad and a very good reason to backport newer and better versions of discover to 18.04!
[10:02] <lordievader> !info thunderbird
[10:06] <Jussi> !info discover
[10:06] <Jussi> hrrr
[10:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> I really do not get what you are trying to tell me.
[10:31] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Normally I find it in discover. Just this time I did not find it. Retried repeatedly and still no luck.
 @Phil Linux, Not Discover's fault in this case as far as I know. A Ubuntu issue in it's appstream data, which is what Discover uses to know what is available.
[10:57] <IrcsomeBot1> <Phil Linux> Oak. What's the solution if a non-CLI-user like my friend wants to install thunderbird?
 @Phil Linux, Muon package manager I guess
 (Photo, 915x637) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/arMz7n00/file_9883.jpg
[11:35] <Heebie> Hello.   For some reason, KDE's clock is showing me the time, and the settings dialogue is showing my timezone, in LMT (Local Mean Time.. a "nonsense" time zone) resulting in time within KDE being one hour ahead of IST (Irish Standard Time.. not India Standard Time, in this case.)  Anyone know whom I should get in touch with about this mistake?
[11:55] <dodi> Have several problems with 18.04 installed from live CD.
[11:55] <dodi> NumPad in cursor mode does not handle CTRL properly
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:30] <ainz> Hello
[12:37] <dodi> How do I get multiple workspaces?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> dodi, you can use virtual desktops or actitvities or both in kmenu system settings>workspace>desktop behavior
[12:42] <dodi> Thanks, missed "Arbeitsflächen" in the German version
[12:43] <BluesKaj> workspace:-)
[12:45] <dodi> Also an idea about keyboard configuration?
[12:46] <ainz> Is there a way to stop the kde taskbar from freezing? I'm on kubuntu (installed it on Ubuntu 18.04 instead of downloading kubuntu directly)
 @ainz, I think its not wise to install kubuntu from ubuntu. Because sometimes its unstabble
 Based on my experience
[15:16] <Captain_Haddock> Hello, I'm trying to upgrade to 18.04 from 17.10 and the upgrader crapped itself and quit saying that my system is now unstable. Help?
[15:18] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: #1 Don't Panic :)
[15:18] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: there *should* be logs, I think under /var/log/dist-upgrade/ or similar - long time since I needed to look at those
[15:19] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Thanks. Yes, I see a lot of logs.
[15:21] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: I looked up a bunch of Googled solutions and from what I can tell, apt is no longer functional. dpkg quits stating "too many errors"./
[15:22] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: ouch. Were you dist-upgrading from the GUI, or from shell?
[15:22] <Captain_Haddock> GUI
[15:23] <Captain_Haddock> It threw up a bunch of issues during the upgrade, but offered to ignore it.
[15:23] <Captain_Haddock> Isn't it supposed to check for incompatibilities before proceeding? :/
[15:23] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: OK. first, check the obvious. Is there disk space free? "df -h" and "df -ih" to check free-space and inodes respectively
[15:24] <Captain_Haddock> There's 51G free.
[15:24] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: sounds like almost enough :p
[15:24] <Captain_Haddock> :)
[15:24] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: can you pastebin the dist-upgrade log that seems most recent/relavent ?
[15:24] <TJ-> s/relavent/relevant/
[15:25] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: These are the available logs: apt-clone_system_state.tar.gz  apt.log  apt-term.log  eipp.log.xz  history.log  lspci.txt  main.log  term.log  xorg_fixup.log
[15:25] <Captain_Haddock> They're all dated for today.
[15:26] <Captain_Haddock> Most recent are main.log  xorg_fixup.log  apt-term.log  history.log  term.log
[15:28] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: term.log sounds most juicy :)
[15:30] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: This is main.log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pc2NgPGxX4/
[15:31] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: line 1324 looks like the key
[15:32] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: which, back at line 1280 shows " ERROR got an error from dpkg for pkg: 'libgphoto2-port12': '40.9543:package libgphoto2-port12:amd64 2.5.14-1 cannot be configured because libgphoto2-port12:i386 is at a different version "
[15:32] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: term.log https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S5C67KJB2F/
[15:32] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Not sure what that is. But I do have gimp installed.
[15:32] <Captain_Haddock> There's also a couple of PPAs for games.
[15:32] <Captain_Haddock> Let me check
[15:34] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: Have you yet tried "sudo apt-get --fix-broken install" ?
[15:34] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Flightgear, Lutris, Skype, Google Chrome, nVidia drivers, and Opera are the other repositories that I can see.
[15:35] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: "apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libzstd.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[15:38] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: ouch, it's much worse than I feared. Don't be tempted to reboot
[15:38] <Captain_Haddock> :(
[15:40] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: try "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[15:41] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: you may need to repeat that command multiple times if it manages a few then gets stuck again. This assumes it can load all the libraries it needs
[15:41] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: That halted stating "too many errors".
[15:41] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: hmmm
[15:42] <Captain_Haddock> The first error: "dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libquadmath0:amd64:  libquadmath0:amd64 depends on gcc-8-base (= 8.2.0-1ubuntu2~18.04)."
[15:43] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: lets try 1 package at a time, in case we can coax it. "sudo dpkg --configure libisc169:amd64"
[15:43] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: This is the dpkg output: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ctnsqnqZsN/
[15:45] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: libisc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8P6FyDTXp4/
[15:47] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Is it possible to get apt-get working first? Won't that help with the others?
[15:49] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: At this point it could be a rabbit-hole, chasing broken library dependencies
[15:50] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: to see if dpkg can make progress, try "sudo dpkg --configure libssl1.1"
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: That worked!
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> $ sudo dpkg --configure libssl1.1 Setting up libssl1.1:i386 (1.1.0g-2ubuntu4.1) ... Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.27-3ubuntu1) ...
[15:52] <Captain_Haddock> (But that's all it said.)
[15:52] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: right, so if we can get the correct sequence we may be able to get it to hobble :)
[15:53] <Captain_Haddock> OK :)
[15:53] <Captain_Haddock> I'm also looking at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1764858
[15:53] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: try "sudo dpkg --configure libzstd1"
[15:54] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: $ sudo dpkg --configure libzstd1 dpkg: error processing package libzstd1 (--configure):  no package named 'libzstd1' is installed, cannot configure Errors were encountered while processing:  libzstd1
[15:54] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: "find /var/cache/apt/archives -name 'libzstd1*' "
[15:55] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: There's a hit. /var/cache/apt/archives/libzstd1_1.3.3+dfsg-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[15:56] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: right, now try "sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libzstd1_1.3.3+dfsg-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb"
[15:56] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Success! apt-get update also worked!
[15:58] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: right... see if you can make some more progress now
[15:58] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: "sudo apt-get --fix-broken install"
[15:59] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: 172 upgraded, 43 newly installed, 1 to remove and 467 not upgraded. 1309 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/1,662 MB of archives. After this operation, 238 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[15:59] <Captain_Haddock> Shall I proceed?
[15:59] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: yes :)
[16:02] <Captain_Haddock> (Still unpacking.)
[16:14] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Looks like it went pretty well. There were a few grey bits, but they seem fine.
[16:14] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: you can always re-run that command to clean up if needed
[16:15] <Captain_Haddock> apt-get update + upgrade throws up more stuff. Installing those too.
[16:15] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: you might need to use "apt-get dist-upgrade" to ensure all NEW versions are fetched
[16:24] <pycet> Upon plugging a USB mouse into my laptop, the following two system settings get reset: 1) Input Devices -> Trackpad -> Scrolling -> Reverse Vertical Scrolling (switches to disabled) and 2) Trackpad -> Pointer Motion -> Accelleration (switches to slowest). Running Kubuntu 18.10, Dell XPS 9360
[16:25] <pycet> How can I prevent those settings from getting overridden every time I connect a wired mouse OR what kind of shell script could I use to programtically set the config files
[16:31] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Thanks mate. Looks like everything's upgrade OK.  *Fingers crossed*
[16:31] <Captain_Haddock> upgraded*
[16:32] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: I'll cross them :)
[17:46] <Captain_Haddock> TJ-: Thanks again. The system looks to be pretty stable. No issues so far besides an Nvidia one. But that comes and goes.
[17:46] <Captain_Haddock> Cheers :)
[17:46] <TJ-> Captain_Haddock: nice to know... it's a few years since I had to rescue a broken release-upgrade
[17:50] <Captain_Haddock> :)
[19:27] <solrac> Hello. Im kinda needing help with a touchpad issue
[19:33] <bprompt> solrac:  hmmm touchpad issue?
[19:33] <bprompt> solrac:   just get a mouse =)
[19:34] <solrac> :v
[19:35] <pycet> It's actually the mouse getting plugged in that seems to cause the touchpad to lose its settings
[19:35] <bprompt> solrac:   well, what's the issue then? :|
[19:35] <solrac> Ive an ETPS/2 Elantech touchpad, but I can't get it to work; Im running the i8042 .reset, .nomux, .nopnp and .loop options but it still doesnt work
[19:36] <bprompt> pycet:   is the mouse is plugged in, you shouldn't need the mousepad, no?
[19:36] <solrac> however, upon running dmesg I get an error https://pastebin.com/jJav4RVT
[19:36] <pycet> When I unplug the mouse to use the laptop "mobiley", the touchpad is super slow and the two finger scrolling direction reverses... I have to manually readjust the setting every time I "undock" (not actually using a dock, just the figure of speech)
[19:37] <pycet> But @bprompt, you are correct. I do not use the touchpad while I'm connected with the mouse
[19:39] <bprompt> solrac:    https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360360   <---- maybe?   as suggested there
[19:39] <solrac> checking
[19:41] <solrac> so...uninstall *evdev and *synaptics?
[19:41] <solrac> I mean arent those used by other parts of the input system?
[19:41] <solrac> I know its not called like that but you get me :V
[19:42] <bprompt> solrac:    synaptics is for the touchpad only
[19:42] <solrac> and evdev? s:
[19:44] <bprompt> solrac:   sure, try it, bear in mind, that some packages may be included on other installations
[19:44] <bprompt> solrac:    so just because you're removing it, doesn't mean the functionality is gone, or another package doesn't provide it
[19:46] <solrac> here goes :V
[19:47] <solrac> brb
[19:51] <solrac> back..
[19:51] <solrac> it didnt work
[19:53] <bprompt> solrac:   shoot... dunno myself...seems lack of drivers
[19:55] <solrac> new dmesg tho
[19:55] <solrac> https://pastebin.com/41ytRaJq
[19:55] <kinghat> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6PRgcIMC/image.png
[19:56] <kinghat> not sure what thats about
[19:57] <bprompt> solrac:    checked with the guys at #ubuntu yet?
[19:57] <solrac> not really.
[21:17] <riidom> Hello, what does it mean when there is a yellow bar next to an icon in task bar, instead of a blue one?
[21:20] <Captain_Haddock> riidom: Have a screenshot?
[21:22] <riidom> I just clicked it now it's gone.. so no sorry Captain_Haddock
[21:22] <riidom> it was on my steam client.. I suspect something with "activity happened"? Also the icon has a yellow-ish background
[21:23] <riidom> had*
[21:40] <Captain_Haddock> riidom: No worries. Yes, it could have been an alert of some kind.
[22:46] <Edisto> anyone having problems with streamtuner2 not loading shoutcast playlist?
[22:48] <bprompt> Edisto: since I don't use streamtuner2, so no :)
[22:49] <Edisto> hmmm... i guess i might have to switch to guayadeque or whatever its called
[22:56] <Edisto> you know I have to say... other than breaking things by updating while you're doing something kubuntu is far better than gnome
[23:05] <valorie> Edisto: nothing broke at all for me on my recent update to cosmic beta
[23:05] <valorie> I'm considering doing it on this box, my main laptop
[23:11] <Edisto> i was updating yesterday and my sound went out, then my firefox stopped visiting pages, and there was a 3rd but I can't remember where I had to reboot and they all restored
[23:11] <Edisto> in gnome whenver i ran an update everything kept working
[23:12] <Edisto> with reboot required. But that's small I guess. I was thinking at the time it was major
[23:12] <Edisto> until i rebooted
[23:20] <Edisto> er  with no reboot required
[23:33] <valorie> reboot is pretty much always a good idea
[23:33] <valorie> or at least logging out and logging back in
[23:51] <Edisto> this is just too sexy
[23:51] <Edisto> yeah, well currently I won't argue with that. It's not that much of a burden now that I know
[23:51] <Edisto> it's not permanent
[23:52] <Edisto> I switched from gnome because it literally broke with the kernel upgrades and having amdgpu-pro installed. Couldn't login to tty or anything. Screen just kept flicerking
[23:53] <Edisto> had the same issue with kde and I still could get into the tty to do amdgpu-pro-uninstall


[17:09] <njbair> can I use shell commands when setting the value of an env variable?
[17:23] <SpamapS> njbair: commands like  env X=`foo` ?
[17:23] <njbair> yeah that didn't work for me
[17:23] <SpamapS> njbair: thats because that is just for setting defaults. :)
[17:23] <SpamapS> njbair: just set it in a script..end script section
[17:23] <njbair> do I use the env keyword inside the script section?
[17:28] <ion> It’s sh code. You might want “export”.
[17:32] <njbair> oh I see
[17:33] <njbair> i must be doing something wrong. when I start my test script it appears to work fine, I get a pid from initctl. but my echo statement is ignored and I dont see any output
[17:56] <SpamapS> njbair: perhaps pastebin your job file?
[17:56] <SpamapS> njbair: (hint, apt-get install 'pastebinit' and do 'pastebinit < /etc/init/foo.conf')
[17:57] <njbair> SpamapS, got it. I was using the wrong command syntax elsewhere.