[12:39] <Netkiller3714> is Kirk having a problem with readin his ntfs drive?
[12:39] <kirk> yes
[12:40] <kirk> Unable to enter file:///harddrive2/. You do not have access rights to this location.
[12:40] <Netkiller3714> ah ok
[12:41] <Netkiller3714> sudo /dev/hdb1 /harddrive2 chmod 00007      I think this might be the way I did it, don't remember though, long time ago.
[12:41] <kirk> im lost, i just switched to kubutnu last night
[12:41] <kirk> never been on any linux ever
[12:41] <Netkiller3714> ya, it's tricky but you'll get used to it.
[12:42] <kirk> sudo: /dev/hdb1: command not found
[12:42] <Netkiller3714> opps
[12:42] <Netkiller3714> lol
[12:42] <jhutchins> sudo mount .... perhaps?
[12:42] <Anarch> I'm still trying to get my Intel 965 chipset to display 1280x1024.  When I override the monitor type in Settings|Peripherals|Monitor&Display, setting it to 1280x1024@60, then hit [Test] , I get X with no window manager or tasks, just the stippled background and the "x" cursor; but there's no way out of that, and then restarting KDM gives me a flickering blue screen.  Back to Plug-n-Play gives me 1024x768.  I've enabled backports & have th
[12:42] <Am3ndment> Hah!
[12:42] <jhutchins> kirk: sudo just gives you root permissions.
[12:42] <Am3ndment> Linux was MUCH easier than i though :D
[12:42] <jhutchins> kirk: so it's sudo <command> <arguments>
[12:42] <kirk> ahh
[12:42] <kirk> noted
[12:43] <kirk> thanks jhutchins
[12:43] <Am3ndment> Only thing that i couldnt get working was wireless :/
[12:43] <jhutchins> kirk: ... aaand make sure you use kdesu instead of sudo for any GUI apps (so they don't save settings as root in your homedir).
[12:44] <Netkiller3714> kirk is the ntfs drive have Windows on it?
[12:44] <kirk> yes
[12:44] <Netkiller3714> sudo mkdir -p /mnt/windows
[12:44] <Netkiller3714> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> and to unmount, sudo umount /mnt/windows
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> :D
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> replace hda1 with hdb1
[12:45] <kirk> mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exis
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Anarch, have you tried to find your monitor& graphics card in the admin mode / configure and reset the driver there ?
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> kirk, replace hda1 with hdb1 then do it XD
[12:47] <kirk> same thing
[12:47] <kirk> mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[12:48] <kirk> yes
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> ok
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> ntfs-3g /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> try that
[12:49] <Netkiller3714> ntfs-3g /dev/hdb1 -o silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8
[12:49] <kirk> bash: /usr/bin/ntfs-3g: Permission denied
[12:49] <Netkiller3714> this one will give you full access
[12:49] <BluesKaj> i still think he need ntfs-config as well
[12:49] <Netkiller3714> ya. Thats what I'm thinking to
[12:50] <Netkiller3714> kirk
[12:50] <Netkiller3714> gksu ntfs-config
[12:51] <BluesKaj> prolly needs to install it , doesn't come with ntfs-3g
[12:51] <Netkiller3714> I know, I'm checking
[12:51] <BluesKaj> and remember he prolly using kde so the command is kdesu
[12:51] <kirk> i install ntfs-config
[12:52] <Netkiller3714> ah ya
[12:52] <kirk> done
[12:52] <kirk> yes im using kde
[12:52] <Netkiller3714> kirk go do kdesu ntfs-config and tell us what it says.
[12:52] <rotman> Hi all.. Is it posible to get a login screen where you can mouse-select the users in Kubuntu? (like the default KDE login screen)
[12:53] <kirk> NTFS write configuration tool
[12:53] <kirk> enable or internal device
[12:53] <kirk> for^
[12:53] <Netkiller3714> enable
[12:53] <jordo23> In Kubuntu I have VNC working but would like to be able to connect without having to Accept the connection on my end. To contact computer from work, etc. Is it possible to tell Desktop Sharing to always accept incoming connections as long as I have a password setup on tightvnc?
[12:54] <kirk> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[12:54] <kirk>   Major opcode:  144
[12:54] <kirk>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:54] <kirk>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:54] <kirk> Failed to open device
[12:54] <Netkiller3714> argh
[12:54] <kirk> it said that 4 times
[12:54] <Netkiller3714> probably for each hd platter
[12:55] <kirk> this is really complicated
[12:55] <Netkiller3714> yup
[12:55] <kirk> i'm lovin it
[12:55] <Netkiller3714> well, I gave you the commands but it's just not working. Thats weird.
[12:56] <rems> Bonjour
[12:56] <Netkiller3714> #kubuntu/fr
[12:56] <dappermuis> kirk, that X error always occurs when you try run a X application from the command line
[12:56] <dappermuis> kirk, the app should still run though
[12:56] <Netkiller3714> #fr-kubuntu
[12:57] <kirk> what app? im trying to add a hard drive
[12:57] <kirk> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /harddrive2
[12:57] <kirk> mount failed
[12:57] <dappermuis> for the kdesuntfs-config
[12:57] <dappermuis> ok, so its already mounted - whats the problem?
[12:57] <Netkiller3714> lol
[12:57] <Netkiller3714> thats why theres been an error
[12:58] <kirk> it says it mounted but when i try to go to /harddrive2
[12:58] <kirk> i get
[12:58] <Netkiller3714> It's already mounted
[12:58] <kirk> Unable to enter file:///harddrive2/. You do not have access rights to this location.
[12:58] <dappermuis> ooh wait, lemme gues - access denied when you try to access it
[12:58] <Netkiller3714> lol now we see
[12:58] <dappermuis> try "kdesu konqueror /harddrive2
[12:58] <kirk> voila
[12:58] <dappermuis> that should work, and then you'll see that your problem is a permissions issue
[12:59] <kirk> so how do i change the permissions
[12:59] <kirk> yes opened my other hard drive in a new window :)
[12:59] <kirk> finallllllly lol thanks so much
[12:59] <dappermuis> np, just remember you wont be able to access it as a normal user
[01:00] <dappermuis> you need to mount it with the correct permissions to do that
[01:00] <christoph> hey anybody an idea how i can configure nvidia that i have twinview?
[01:00] <Netkiller3714> your gonna have to change the permissions on it
[01:00] <kirk> how do u change its permissions?
[01:00] <christoph> nvidia geforce 7600
[01:00] <dappermuis> "man mount"
[01:01] <dappermuis> !mount
[01:01] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:01] <dappermuis> check out those resources
[01:01] <Anarch> BluesKaj: Yes, I have overridden plug & play using admin mode.  The menu there doesn't offer "intel" (which should supercede i810), so I also ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it not to autodetect the monitor.
[01:02] <kirk> hmm ok ill have to do some research
[01:02] <NickPresta> !xine
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <dappermuis> kirk, that's the best way to learn - then in the future you can advise other people on how to do it :)
[01:04] <jordo23> Does flash 9.0.48 work in Konqueror?
[01:04] <kirk> doesnt make sense though, i have any multiuser setup
[01:04] <kirk> i just installed kubuntu last night
[01:05] <kirk> this is should have complete access
[01:05] <dappermuis> kirk, all users will  have access to their home directories yes
[01:06] <dappermuis> but as a security setting only the super user has access to other partitions/devices
[01:06] <dappermuis> you need to specifically allow other users to access those devices
[01:06] <kirk> hmm i need to upgrade to super user then
[01:06] <dappermuis> no, thats not the solution
[01:06] <dappermuis> you need to mount the partition with the option for users to access it
[01:07] <dappermuis> admittedly, its not as easy as i'm making it out to be
[01:08] <kirk> hey i figured it out without reading anything
[01:08] <dappermuis> hehe, excellent!
[01:08] <dappermuis> what did you do?
[01:08] <kirk> i went to system settings,advanced, into admin mode, changed the permissions on hdb1
[01:08] <dappermuis> nice one :)
[01:09] <dappermuis> though now you probably want to set up fstab to mount the drive automatically in the future
[01:09] <dappermuis> with the correct permissions
[01:09] <dappermuis> check out http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions
[01:10] <kirk> wooooooooooooooo thanks u people
[01:12] <dappermuis> np :)
[01:20] <judgen> is there an app for controlling different speaker settings
[01:20] <BluesKaj> what speaker settings ?
[01:21] <kirk> !groups
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about groups - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <ScorpKing> dappermuis: please join #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:21] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, why?
[01:22] <ScorpKing> don't want to praat nonsens here. :)
[01:22] <kirk> !clock
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <kirk> is there anyway to get it off military time?
[01:22] <level1> hi, google suggest hasn't been working on konqueror for me recently
[01:22] <level1> kirk: I know how
[01:22] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, lol i see, so you want to praat nonsense elsewhere
[01:22] <kirk> ive been trying to figure it out
[01:22] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:22] <level1> kirk: right click, and go to "date and time format"
[01:22] <judgen> BluesKaj: i want to set 2 speakers only and disable all other channels.
[01:23] <judgen> BluesKaj:  im waring headphones
[01:23] <BluesKaj> kirk,right click on the clocl/adjust time & date formay
[01:23] <level1> kirk: and then play around
[01:23] <root__> alguien de argentina ?
[01:23] <level1> kirk: but military time is so cool!!!
[01:23] <BluesKaj> judgen, alsamixer in the terminal
[01:24] <dappermuis> lol, i love it how people call it military time
[01:24] <dappermuis> we just call it a 24 hour clock
[01:24] <BluesKaj> !es | root__
[01:24] <ubotu> root__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:24] <level1> why is the clock in 24 time by default?
[01:24] <level1> !root | root__
[01:24] <ubotu> root__: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:24] <level1> sorry, but its just funny
[01:25] <judgen> BluesKaj:  alsamixer has same stuff as kmix afaik. Im trying to get some higher volumes. I can hardly hear the sound as its so low. Even at maximim levels.
[01:25] <kirk> brb
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> level1, most unix systems run on a 24 hr clock, therefore, so do unix's descendants
[01:25] <BluesKaj> dappermuis, that's an american observation, not many americans use the 24 hr clock , just their military
[01:26] <dappermuis> BluesKaj, yes I know - its still funny though :)
[01:26] <level1> hitmanWilly: yeah, most unix systems use CDE, too.  That doesn't mean my desktop needs to be ugly... although, I do like 24 time
[01:26] <BluesKaj> judgen,, check your "Input levels" in kmix
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> level1, CDE has its own functional beauty to it, but yeah...
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> level1, then again, i think the console looks good, too :P
[01:27] <judgen> BluesKaj:  does not seem to matter if i put them at max or at the bottome
[01:28] <level1> hitmanWilly: I'm thinking I might create a kde style to imitate an ncurses interface... it looks cool in my brain
[01:28] <level1> hitmanWilly: that kind of thing doesn't already exsist, does it?
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> level1, you'll be one of about three people using it...lol
[01:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> i think he just found a way to get intelikey to use a gui.
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> level1, not that i've seen
[01:29] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:29] <level1> Daisuke-Laptop: not possible!
[01:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> i pick on intelikey too much, he's good people.
[01:29] <BluesKaj> IN-put judgen, and make sure the the MIX "switch"  turned on in kmix
[01:30] <level1> ugh, where did google suggest go?
[01:32] <judgen> BluesKaj:  mix switch?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> judgen open kmix 'switches tab , make sure the 'mix' light is turned on
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, here's to hoping
[01:36] <pillowpants> why isnt nvidia-legacy-kernel in the repos?
[01:36] <judgen> BluesKaj: the swithces tab has only two dropdown options. both says input source and one is set to mic and the other to line in
[01:36] <judgen> there is no mix option
[01:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:36] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-16.29 (feisty), package size 2992 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[01:36] <pillowpants> i can only see the source
[01:36] <level1> pillowpants: do you have mulitverse enabled?
[01:36] <pillowpants> yeah, its all enabled
[01:37] <pillowpants> i only see 'nvidia-legacy-kernel-source'
[01:37] <pillowpants> or is that it?
[01:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> listerfiend - it's nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:37] <pillowpants> does it compile from sources?
[01:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> no, it's a closed source driver
[01:37] <BluesKaj> judgen, check again , there should be 6 or 7
[01:37] <pillowpants> thats what i thought
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> Daisuke-Laptop, no, he's talking about the newer kernel interface modules
[01:38] <Daisuke-Laptop> the kernel module has to be compiled from source though, but the nvidia-glx-legacy package does that for you
[01:38] <judgen> BluesKaj: only 2
[01:38] <judgen> in mine
[01:38] <pillowpants> so i only install the nvidia-glx-legacy?
[01:38] <pillowpants> and uninstall the nvidia-kernel-common?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> not the dropdowns judgen , i mean the ctrls with lights
[01:39] <bigleon> Woo downloads
[01:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> nvidia-glx-legacy probably depends on that kernel package
[01:39] <bigleon> Hey level1, i madea  7.04 live cd
[01:39] <judgen> BluesKaj:  dont got any of those in the switches tab
[01:39] <bigleon> and it has buncha crazy issues
[01:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> so you may as well keep it
[01:39] <brad_> my wireless connection is acting like a crazy person, and it seems to be both the wireless card and the router
[01:39] <bigleon> it won't start graphiccly
[01:40] <BluesKaj> judgen, then that's as far as I can go ...bummer
[01:40] <judgen> BluesKaj:  hmmm
[01:40] <judgen> thanks anyways
[01:41] <level1> bigleon: you mean an alternate install cd or just teh regular cd?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> judgen, check the volume control on your speakers themselves
[01:42] <bigleon> regular
[01:42] <bigleon> i'm fixxing to download the alternate
[01:42] <judgen> BluesKaj:  tried that too, and even with headphones its extremly low
[01:42] <judgen> BluesKaj:  but in BeOS and Windows i get perfect sound by setting the speaker configs to headphones...
[01:43] <bigleon> yeah i just started the dl on wget :D
[01:43] <level1> bigleon: did you try to start in the safe graphics more?
[01:43] <bigleon> yeah that didn't work level1
[01:43] <elvin> ?  But it ends up dissapearing in the heat..
[01:43] <level1> bigleon: let me check, there should be a bug report about this
[01:44] <brad_> hmmm so I think both my wireless card and wireless router are acting strange seperately
[01:44] <brad_> because generally I have to reset my whole computer or the wireless router or both
[01:45] <BluesKaj> judgen , some input level is turned down or the system setttings /sound system isn't configured
[01:45] <judgen> BluesKaj:  how do i configure alsa better then?
[01:46] <bigleon> if i understand i'm using the same laptop as you level1
[01:47] <BluesKaj> judgen, have you opened alsamixer in the terminal and unmuted all the crtls ?
[01:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> where can I find information about creating my own splash screen for when I log into kubuntu?
[01:48] <bigleon> one sec gundam
[01:48] <bigleon> i'll look
[01:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> thank you bigleon
[01:48] <level1> gundam_rx78nt1: I would also like to know that
[01:49] <bigleon> I think you ought to check out www.kde-look.org i'm sure some resources should be available there.
[01:49] <judgen> BluesKaj:  yes
[01:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> thanks, I just started to work with Linux and want to customize it like some people has...
[01:50] <bigleon> hey if you make a really sweet Grim Reaper theme, let me know cause i really want one like that
[01:51] <_2> anyone in here ever use "wakeonlan" or "etherwake" ?      and don't "!ask" at me...
[01:51] <bigleon> _2 i've never used it, but hey, check out google you can find someone who have.
[01:51] <_2> if no one has used either then the question is moot
[01:52] <_2> bigleon if i can't talk with those that have then knowing who they are is worth nothing.
[01:53] <groeg> hello? anyone there?
[01:53] <level1> groeg: what was your problem?
[01:53] <BluesKaj> judgen, you have ' advanced linux sound architecture ' selected in system settings / sound system/hardware/select audio device
[01:54] <level1> damn, launchpad is refusing to let me post a bug
[01:54] <pillowpants> !flash
[01:54] <level1> it says "there is 1 error" but it doesn't say what the error is
[01:54] <groeg> i installed feisty kubuntu on my toshiba satellite A70 and the cpu fan just keeps running thus being really noisy. is there a way to control my fan?
[01:54] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:54] <ScorpKing> groeg: clean the fan
[01:54] <pillowpants> how have the rest of you gotten flash to work for firefox?
[01:55] <bigleon> _2 well i've found alot of resources over google. whats your problem just curious.
[01:55] <groeg> ScorpKing: Thanks but there must be an easier way
[01:55] <level1> bigleon: subscribe to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/139505
[01:55] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:55] <_2> i'll go ahead and explain what i have found.   both etherwake and wakeonlan work as they should, unless linux has powered off the box with the "init 0" halt command.   in which case one must physically press the power button.   you can power on then right back off before it boots and then wakeonlan and etherwake both work again.      so i concluded that linux is leaving code either in the nic or ram that interfears with the power on
[01:55] <bigleon> Alright Level1, Good evenign ScorpKing
[01:56] <groeg> level1: i installed feisty kubuntu on my toshiba satellite A70 and the cpu fan just keeps running thus being really noisy. is there a way to control my fan?
[01:56] <ScorpKing> hi bigleon! your computer behaving today? konversation kicks me off now and then.
[01:56] <level1> groeg: lol, don't repeat youself, you'll wear yourself out... well, hmmm
[01:57] <groeg> ScorpKing: I found programs for other laptop computers to control fan speed but haven't found one yet that does the same for mine. isn't there a generic one for all laptops etc
[01:57] <level1> groeg: I don't own that computer, but there might be something in the acpi
[01:57] <bigleon> ScorpKing haha i'm back at 6.06 again...
[01:57] <ScorpKing> ok
[01:57] <level1> groeg: usually thats controlled by the hardware though
[01:57] <groeg> level1: sorry...just thought you didn't see it
[01:57] <bigleon> ScorpKing yeah gotta love my luck with linux
[01:57] <_2> thus i was wondering if anyone had ever worked with such an issue.   if maybe flushing the nic before power off would help...
[01:57] <ScorpKing> bigleon: i'm sure there's a way to install via ftp.
[01:57] <dthacker> _2: that's wacky.
[01:58] <draik> Hello everyone. How is everyone doing today/tonight?
[01:58] <_2> dthacker meaning ?
[01:58] <dthacker> meaning based on my limited knowledge, it shouldn't do that.
[01:58] <groeg> level1: i bet it's hardware controlled but for instance there's a program for sony vaio laptops: fansilencer
[01:58] <_2> of course it shouldn't.  but it does.
[01:58] <dthacker> wacky can be a technical term :)
[01:58] <bigleon> Level1 when i use that alternate disk i'm going to need to install something b-4 i run that right?
[01:59] <groeg> isn't there one that works for my laptop also?
[01:59] <level1> bigleon: wait, what?
[01:59] <level1> groeg: well, a vaio and a toshiba are different
[01:59] <bigleon> level1 i'm getting that alternative install, so i need to install a particular driver b-4 i should run the install right?
[02:00] <ScorpKing> bigleon: not that i know of.
[02:00] <draik> Anyone here know about installing/running/using Yellowdog in PS3?
[02:00] <level1> bigleon: well, the alternate install cd won't give you a chance to do that.  What you should do is install, try to boot your newly installed ubuntu, and then if it doesn't boot, theres things you can do
[02:00] <_2> dthacker linux also leaves code in one of my cdrom drives which causes "boot failure" in windows.  requires hard reset to correct.
[02:00] <bigleon> wtf my wget keeps stopping after a few moments
[02:00] <level1> bigleon: use kget or something
[02:01] <bigleon> kget command not found
[02:01] <_2> although i boot that box to that os so seldomly that it isn't an issue to me.
[02:01] <level1> bigleon: are you on the command line?
[02:01] <bigleon> yup
[02:01] <level1> bigleon: why not just boot into X?
[02:01] <bigleon> huh?
[02:01] <level1> bigleon: switch to vesa
[02:01] <bigleon> well i'm on my 6.06
[02:02] <level1> bigleon: X is the substructure that allows kde or gnome to run
[02:02] <level1> bigleon: I'm pretty sure 6.06 had X
[02:02] <bigleon> yea
[02:02] <ScorpKing> bigleon: do a google search for installation instructions of the older versions of ubuntu. back then it was mostly an alternative install cd.
[02:02] <bigleon> well 6.06 works on my laptop
[02:02] <level1> not an expert
[02:02] <_2> level1 only if you install X  :)
[02:02] <dthacker> ?
[02:02] <bigleon> okay... alright
[02:03] <bigleon> level1 you running e1705 right?
[02:03] <level1> wait, was that version delayed?  it should be 6.04
[02:03] <level1> bigleon: yeah
[02:03] <_2> dthacker give me a sec i'll check
[02:03] <bigleon> so what did you do to get 7.04 running?
[02:03] <level1> bigleon: run it?
[02:03] <bigleon> you just put the disk in and it worked first try?
[02:03] <dthacker> bigleon: I loaded it. and it worked.
[02:03] <level1> bigleon: oh, right, I had to install fglrx from the command line to get the cd to boot
[02:04] <level1> dthacker: you have that laptop?
[02:04] <bigleon> okay what do i need to write when i'm in command line
[02:04] <_2> dthacker LNT403
[02:04] <bigleon> and then what?
[02:04] <level1> bigleon: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:04] <dthacker> _2: googling
[02:04] <bigleon> and then?
[02:04] <level1> boot?
[02:04] <_2> dthacker  2.6.15-28-386 kernel
[02:05] <bigleon> so when i boot up the disk
[04:05] (bigleon/#kubuntu) yeah there was nothing there for me intelikey
[04:06] <mrksbrd> ok i got my router to connect but will not assign an ip address....any ideas????
[04:06] <bigleon> set up your DHCP mrksbrd
[04:06] <bigleon> you ought to just set that stuff up manually
[04:07] <mrksbrd> should auto dhcp
[04:07] <bigleon> i'd turn off dhcp and set it manually
[04:07] <mrksbrd> ok let me try...brb
[04:07] <bigleon> Good luck
[04:08] <rgrolemund> well so far with the ps2 mouse everything still working
[04:08] <rgrolemund> the usb mouse woulda locked up by now
[04:11] <intelikey> rgrolemund then i sujest that it's probably something that kubuntu does to try to auto/detect/mount usb things that is causing the issue with your sub mouse.
[04:11] <rgrolemund> ya
[04:11] <rgrolemund> altough my keyboard isusing the same wireless device and nvr locks up
[04:11] <intelikey> possable memory leak,  or something respawning to quickly...
[04:11] <rgrolemund> odd eh?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> nite all , sacktime here
[04:12] <rgrolemund> night blue
[04:12] <ScorpKing> night
[04:12] <intelikey> not really odd.  just 'notable'.
[04:13] <rgrolemund> so its not the usb locking up, just the mouse ceasing to work
[04:13] <intelikey> yes, seems that way.
[04:13] <rgrolemund> u think it is compiz though?>
[04:14] <intelikey> i wouldn't put it past it.   try using the usb mouse and not running compiz   see what it does.
[04:14] <bigleon> hey scorpking if you ever find people having problems with dellwireless mini card send them here. http://dhashi.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/ubuntu-704-on-a-dell-inspiron-710m/
[04:14] <ScorpKing> will remember that. thanks
[04:15] <rgrolemund> will try that intel
[04:15] <bigleon> i'm going to start making a collection of "usefull" links as i go through with my comp
[04:15] <rgrolemund> apprec the advice
[04:15] <intelikey> ScorpKing i'm having problems with dellwireless mini card, any clues ?
[04:15] <intelikey> :)
[04:15] <Xero> Hooray for K!
[04:15] <ScorpKing> lol. nope, nothing here. :P
[04:15] <bigleon> Rofl
[04:15] <intelikey> :)
[04:16] <bigleon> You should add that to bot haha
[04:16] <bigleon> DellMiniWireless issues :D
[04:16] <ScorpKing> short term sellective memory
[04:16] <joseph_> hello everyone
[04:16] <bigleon> hello Joseph how can we help you?/
[04:16] <intelikey> you can submit it.    'ubotu DellMiniWireless is ....'
[04:17] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[04:17] <joseph_> nothing really...just watching what people are saying...f
[04:17] <bigleon> ubotu DellMiniWireless  You can find assitance to install you card on Fiesty at http://dhashi.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/ubuntu-704-on-a-dell-inspiron-710m/
[04:17] <joseph_> installed today
[04:17] <intelikey> joseph_ i'm a first time linux user too...
[04:17] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with Checkinstall to work with an APTonCD disc?
[04:17] <bigleon> like that?
[04:17] <bigleon> i'm so confused i need more caffine
[04:17] <rgrolemund> 2 weeks on linux here
[04:18] <ScorpKing> !DellMiniWireless
[04:18] <bigleon> i'm watching mission impossible while working on my computer lol
[04:18] <rgrolemund> microsoft finally made me mad enough
[04:18] <joseph_> i am loving it so far
[04:18] <intelikey> ScorpKing the request will havc to be approved first.
[04:18] <enotee> i just  azune  can i use it with amarok
[04:18] <bigleon> lol
[04:18] <enotee> i just a zune  can i use it with amarok
[04:19] <ScorpKing> i see. lol. <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[04:19] <bigleon> Rofl
[04:19] <bigleon> it should have something like "Hey Enistine did you try Google?"
[04:19] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:19] <bigleon> just finished MI 1 off to MI 2 woot
[04:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> hi everyone, long-time listener, first time caller
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> i think the #debian bot has that...lol
[04:20] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:20] <intelikey> bigleon that's #debian mentality.   abuse the poor till they no longer trubble your channel.
[04:20] <joseph_> hello daisuke
[04:21] <Daisuke-Laptop> i was just wondering, linux can do everything else for me, can it get bloodstains out of a bearskin rug?  please hurry, i can already hear the sirens >_>
[04:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> ...and everything gets very very quiet...
[04:22] <coreymon77> bigleon: and for you, it should of said something like "Hey Einstein, did you try learning how to spell?"
[04:22] <bigleon> brb
[04:22] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:22] <coreymon77> Daisuke-Laptop: ...
[04:22] <Xero> coreymon77, and for you, it should have something like "You're a prick!"
[04:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> o_O
[04:22] <coreymon77> Xero: wow, thats a little harsh
[04:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> that wasn't appropriate
[04:23] <Xero> lol
[04:23] <n8k99> Daisuke-Laptop: are you using a Raiser File System?
[04:23] <ScorpKing> Xero: be nice
[04:23] <coreymon77> Xero: everyone here knows that it was just a friendly joke
[04:23] <Xero> I just don't like it when people pick on others for spelling.
[04:23] <coreymon77> right everyone?
[04:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> n8k99: someone caught it!
[04:23] <intelikey> !conduct
[04:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:23] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:23] <coreymon77> hey, i make typos too
[04:23] <shinda> hey guys, i know this is a noob question but how do I get to my KDE panel settings (not the settings dialog you get when you right click the panel and go configure), but the dialog that lets me select between indiviaul pannels and configure each
[04:23] <n8k99> Daisuke-Laptop: i had that problem before, Google is your friend
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> man, i can't believe i missed the reiser joke
[04:24] <bigleon> alright i'm back
[04:24] <Xero> We all make typos...
[04:24] <coreymon77> and when i do, people are free to crack a joke at me
[04:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> hitmanWilly: they should be able to find out what happened to nina very easily, go through the journal
[04:24] <intelikey> Xero not me, i just can't spell.
[04:24] <bigleon> and trust me i always get corey back :D maybe not now, but i will
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> XD
[04:24] <intelikey> :)
[04:25] <Daisuke-Laptop> actually, i'm trying to figure out why i can never get svideo working
[04:25] <shinda> nvm got it, kcontrl for thsoe interested
[04:25] <ScorpKing> :D
[04:25] <intelikey> shinda you can do that from the right click also.
[04:26] <steven_> Found the compiz fix in the forums.  Apparently you have to reset the settings to the default after this latest update
[04:26] <shinda> intelikey - It doesn't give me the option to select between the different pannels just shows me information for the default pannel
[04:26] <intelikey> possably more obscure, but it's there
[04:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: he's right, it isn't
[04:27] <intelikey> well.   let me recant.   can on all ubuntu/kde up to and including dapper.  i haven't seen anything after that.  so it "could" have changed.     (but it didn't)
[04:27] <shinda> intelikey, check it out because for me theres no drop down list like there is in kcontrol, all the other dialogs are the same just missing that one list
[04:27] <contrast83> shinda: Have you restarted KDE since adding/removing panels? Sometimes the configuration dialog doesn't recognize new ones until you do that (or you might also just try running "dcop kicker kicker restart")
[04:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> i had that problem working with multiple panels in kde, it's only available through kcontrol
[04:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: it did change
[04:29] <gib> Is anyone in here running 64-bit Firefox?
[04:29] <rgrolemund> ya
[04:29] <shinda> contrast83, no never restarted but ya that may just be it, but Kcontrol seems to be a much more convinient option, but one question anyone know how I can have 2 panels on the same level? like I want two pannels to take up the top row each at 50% (I'm using dual monitors so want to have a kicker bar on each screen.
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> unfortunately
[04:29] <crane> i downloaded tcl8.4.9-src.tar.gz to my desktop... I am trying to figure out exactly how an where i want to extract this too an how to compile it correctly... any help please?
[04:29] <intelikey> Daisuke-Laptop when ?
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> shinda: you cannot do that
[04:29] <gib> Have you had issues with 128 bit encryption?
[04:29] <rgrolemund> newp
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: apparently with edgy or feisty
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> the multiple panel options are not available anywhere but kcontrol
[04:29] <contrast83> KControl pwns System Settings
[04:29] <intelikey> don't think edgy   heard to much about the bug in edgy.
[04:30] <rgrolemund> only probs i have are streaming content
[04:30] <contrast83> Daisuke-Laptop: Umm... Sorry, but you're wrong (unless you're speaking strictly for yourself, and if that is the case on your system, something's wrong).
[04:30] <gib> My uncle can assess his bank account fine with Firefox on his 32-bit system, but not with Firefox on his 64-bit system.
[04:30] <rgrolemund> weird
[04:30] <rgrolemund> ya i check by bank account daily
[04:30] <flaccid> contact bank
[04:30] <rgrolemund> kubuntu 7.04 amd64
[04:30] <crane> any help please?
[04:31] <flaccid> !ask
[04:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> contrast83: um, no, no i'm not, but thanks for playing, here's your consolation prize.
[04:31] <intelikey> interesting.   they nuked a config option because it required a kicker restart....   not very consistant of kde     or did the  ubuntu team do that...  that would be consistant of them.
[04:31] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> and yes i have restarted kicker since then
[04:31] <crane> I asked an hour ago waited for a response nothin so i asked again nothin for a bit so then i asked for help pls.. so sorry
[04:32] <gib> Hmm.  I'm not sure what else would cause the difference.  I even got flash working for him with the wrapper.
[04:32] <flaccid> crane: yeah you only need to ask once
[04:32] <rgrolemund> [21:29]  <crane> i downloaded tcl8.4.9-src.tar.gz to my desktop... I am trying to figure out exactly how an where i want to extract this too an how to compile it correctly... any help please?
[04:32] <flaccid> gib: bank probably doesn't support
[04:32] <crane> that was the second time rgrolemund
[04:32] <bigleon> Scorpking i don't think you really love us
[04:33] <intelikey> !b-e
[04:33] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:33] <ScorpKing> bigleon: :P sais who?
[04:33] <bigleon> says me
[04:33] <bigleon> :D
[04:33] <intelikey> crane - rgrolemund ^
[04:33] <rgrolemund> no no i was copying his
[04:33] <ScorpKing> bigleon: then it doesn't count. :D
[04:33] <rgrolemund> i know how to compile :P
[04:33] <bigleon> lol
[04:33] <rgrolemund> well, before i get yelled at again
[04:34] <rgrolemund> is alien ok to use?
[04:34] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:34] <contrast83> Daisuke-Laptop: Maybe your kickerrc got borked somewhere along the lines, because I've *never* had that problem.
[04:34] <intelikey> rgrolemund yes i saw that it was a copy.    that's why i included you with his post.
[04:34] <rgrolemund> *hides*
[04:35] <gib> flaccid, what specifically would the bank need to do differently to support 64-bit vs 32-bit?
[04:35] <intelikey> so that rather than taking over,   i could just point both of you at that link and let you help him rgrolemund
[04:35] <contrast83> In the one or two times I've used Alien, I haven't had problems with it.
[04:35] <gib> I'd think that should be transparent
[04:36] <intelikey> dragonsfoot would be a good name ?
[04:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> contrast83: just because you haven't had the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
[04:37] <flaccid> gib: nothing. still doesn't support them US sniffing etc. what actually happens... why does it actually not work
[04:37] <flaccid> US sniffing= UA string sniffing
[04:38] <gib> It doesn't give any error message, login is simply never succeeds, but works fine with 32-bit.
[04:38] <contrast83> Daisuke-Laptop: I didn't say that, but over the course of dozens of different Kubuntu installs on nearly ten different computers, I'd say that if you run into it, something preventable is going wrong somewhere. Just trying to help, man. :-)
[04:38] <flaccid> what does never succeeds mean?
[04:38] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[04:38] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:39] <rgrolemund> if i miss something sorry, switching back and forth between irc and world of warcraft
[04:39] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:39] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:39] <rgrolemund> ya really
[04:39] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with checkinstall to work on an APTonCD disc, or how one could add dependencies to a package when making it with checkinstall?
[04:40] <Daisuke-Laptop> contrast83: by default, kicker doesn't have multiple panels, so over the course of dozens of installs on nearly ten different computers, unless you're customizing kde well beyond the norm, you wouldn't run into that problem.
[04:40] <gib> I didn't do it first hand, I'm just going by what he tells me:  that he can get on every time with 32-bit, and never with 64-bit.  Asked if he gets any error messages and he said no.
[04:40] <contrast83> I customize KDE well beyond the norm. ;-)
[04:40] <SUb-IN-acls> evening
[04:41] <rgrolemund> yo sub
[04:41] <SUb-IN-acls> i have a question about madwifi
[04:41] <shinda> Daisuke-Laptop looks like you can get them at the same level, you just need to enable hiding on the panel
[04:41] <bigleon> scorpking say what?
[04:41] <flaccid> gib: well that doesn't help. we don't even know the actual behaviour..... try UA spoofing...
[04:42] <ScorpKing> bigleon: as little as possible. :P
[04:42] <gib> I could try to log on myself, I suppose but I really don't want to know it account info/password, and have access to her personal info.
[04:42] <bigleon> I'm going to start my theme project tommrow probbaly :D
[04:42] <gib> his
[04:43] <ScorpKing> bigleon: lol. keep me posted.
[04:43] <bigleon> will do
[04:43] <bigleon> i'm prolly going to get a freeweb site up for the project
[04:43] <flaccid> gib: no required. ask him what is actually happening instead of 'it doesn't work'
[04:43] <crane> ok i read that site and it didnt tell me anything i dont already know
[04:43] <crane> I keep getting an error when trying to compile
[04:43] <crane> and I dont understand it
[04:44] <contrast83> crane: Could you pastebin the error?
[04:44] <crane> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 7338: syntaxerror near unexpected token `)'
[04:44] <crane> ./configure: line 7338: `       OSF*)'
[04:44] <ScorpKing> bigleon: there are some available with up to 200MB space and no popups/ads
[04:44] <flaccid> if you don't understand compiling probably something you shouldn't /need to be doing
[04:44] <contrast83> crane: What are you compiling?
[04:44] <flaccid> crane: yeah we don't help with compilation generally here as kubuntu uses packages
[04:44] <dimsum> i get these error when running adept: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), any workaround?
[04:45] <contrast83> !adept-fix
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <crane> flaccid: actually I am trying to learn things... I am sure linux developers like people trying to learn how to use the stuff they develop
[04:45] <contrast83> !adeptfix
[04:45] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[04:45] <bigleon> really? would you pm the link?
[04:45] <flaccid> crane: yeah, but this is kubuntu support channel..
[04:45] <ScorpKing> bigleon: if i can find it. gimme sec...
[04:45] <flaccid> crane: ##linux
[04:46] <contrast83> crane: What are you trying to compile?
[04:46] <crane> tcl
[04:46] <gib> That's easier said than done.  :)  I'll try again, but he's had a brain injury and dyslexia to boot, so it's hard getting accurate info out of him.
[04:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> just install from the repos
[04:46] <contrast83> Is it a stable release, or bleeding edge?
[04:46] <flaccid> crane: why do you need to compile it. its in repos.
[04:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> learning compilation is nice, but there's *no reason to*
[04:46] <crane> I did however the repos does not have the version i need
[04:47] <dimsum> @ubotu, this is one of the error message: dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
[04:48] <ScorpKing> bigleon: see /pm
[04:49] <rgrolemund> o.O
[04:50] <crane> thanks everyone i figured out the problem
[04:50] <rgrolemund> cool
[04:50] <contrast83> crane: What was it?
[04:51] <pillowpants> boy, automatix seems pretty shady
[04:51] <crane> for some reason the tar file i downloaded was corrupted/missing a file... I just redownloaded from another place an it worked fine
[04:51] <pillowpants> after looking at it, i dont advise its use
[04:51] <crane> never ran into a problem like that
[04:52] <contrast83> I was thinking it'd be something like that. From my (albeit very limited) experience, syntax errors usually means something's wrong with whatever you're trying to compile.
[04:52] <bigleon> setting up account, i'll have my forums up by tommrow hopefully
[04:53] <ScorpKing> :D
[04:53] <ScorpKing> send me the link.
[04:54] <bigleon> yeah
[04:54] <bigleon> i have my domain dtgaming.com but i don't think that fit my theme so i'm gonna get a free subdomain
[04:55] <linuxbie> algun viruker en esta noche
[04:55] <ScorpKing> bigleon: you can get free domain names as well.
[04:55] <naknomik> Does kubuntu support a 3D desktop like Ubuntu does with Compiz?
[04:56] <nb72> compiz works on kubuntu as well, I'm running it now
[04:56] <crane> ScorpKing: where do you get free domain names?
[04:56] <Dragnslcr> Yes, Beryl and Compiz run on KDE
[04:56] <naknomik> nb72: Dragnslcr: how do I install those? Is there an option like 'Desktop Effects' in Kubuntu?
[04:56] <ScorpKing> .za.org or .za.net is free
[04:57] <NickPresta> linuxbie, which language?
[04:58] <bigleon> not a free .com
[04:59] <ScorpKing> true
[04:59] <bigleon> TheBigleonProj.anything would rock lol
[04:59] <nb72> naknomik: depends a bit on the hardware.  video card
[04:59] <ScorpKing> bigleon: got my other pm?
[04:59] <naknomik> nb72: I have nVidia GeForce4 MX 400 AGP 8x card.
[05:00] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with checkinstall to work on an APTonCD disc, or how one could add dependencies to a package when making it with checkinstall?
[05:01] <bigleon> Yeah
[05:01] <bigleon> Scorpking you got some type of IM?
[05:01] <ScorpKing> AIM and yahoo
[05:02] <bigleon> yahoo: bigleon5
[05:03] <ScorpKing> added to contacts
[05:03] <gib> I've never had a single problem with Automatix on any machine I've ever installed it on, but it most of it's functionality is not build right into gutsy, so there won't be much need for it anymore.
[05:03] <bigleon> hmm send me a msg so i can add you to mine
[05:03] <flaccid> gib: never say never
[05:03] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:03] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:03] <gib> is built
[05:03] <intelikey> good read.  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[05:03] <contrast83> indeed
[05:04] <gib> Kubuntu has never broken for me on any machine with, or without automatix.
[05:06] <flaccid> gib: does that mean it will never do it for any user or?
[05:07] <hydrogen> flaccid: of course!
[05:08] <hydrogen> just like i've never had a hard drive go bad on me
[05:08] <hydrogen> so theres no need for anyone to make backups
[05:08] <flaccid> lol
[05:08] <gib> It's pretty much of a non-issue now anyway with gutsy including it's functionality.
[05:08] <flaccid> 'i've never had a problem', 'which means you never will too' *wink*
[05:09] <flaccid> or 'ive never had a problem', 'its absolutely crazy that you are!, its impossible coz i don't!'
[05:10] <intelikey> shucks: looks like i missed a good rant...
[05:10] <gib> No, but it is also true that many things have been blamed on automatix that weren't it's fault.  I'm not saying no problems are caused by it, but I know for certain that many problems have been blamed on by certain people that just automatically blame any problem under the sun on it when they hear someone is using it.
[05:11] <flaccid> with all respect, you don't sound like a tech savvy person gib
[05:11] <flaccid> generalisations are useless. the proof is in the pudding.
[05:12] <intelikey> and why not.   if the policy is to not support something, and you here that that something is involved, then you don't try to sort out whether or not it's that particular something's fault you just mention that it's the reason that you wont help and move on...
[05:13] <flaccid> yeah and if we condone it then it only encourages it
[05:13] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:13] <gib> Talk about generalizations! Sheeeh.  My point is not about the technical merits of Automatix, or how good or bad it is or isn't but that some people have a hard on for it and attack it at every possible opportunity.
[05:14] <underdog5004> anyone know how to burn a .cdr file?
[05:14] <pillowpants> root@HELGA:~# glxgears
[05:14] <pillowpants> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:14] <pillowpants> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[05:14] <pillowpants> what does that mean
[05:14] <intelikey> !language | gib tone.
[05:14] <ubotu> gib tone.: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:14] <flaccid> gib: it deserves to be attacked and killed.
[05:14] <flaccid> !pastebin > pillowpants
[05:14] <intelikey> or fixed. ^
[05:15] <naknomik> How do I get a 3D desktop for kubuntu?
[05:15] <pillowpants> sorry flaccid
[05:15] <contrast83> pillowpants: Any reason you're running that as root?
[05:15] <flaccid> it forks debian system to begin with, so i wouldn't think fixing it would be a good thing at all
[05:15] <intelikey> pillowpants i get the exact same error.
[05:15] <pillowpants> because recovery mode is root
[05:15] <pillowpants> my xserver crashed, so i needed the command line
[05:15] <contrast83> ohh, got cha
[05:16] <pillowpants> and startx in recovery mode takes you to recovery
[05:16] <flake> I've got like 2 extra harddrives, is it possible to format them and make them as one large 'individual' harddrive?
[05:16] <daSkreech> naknomik: What kind of 3d desktop?
[05:16] <intelikey> and glx* doesn't work outside of X     what did i miss ?
[05:16] <naknomik> DaSkreech: like compiz or beryl on gnome
[05:17] <coreymon77> hi everybody!
[05:17] <daSkreech> !beryl
[05:17] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:18] <underdog5004> !lvm | flake
[05:18] <ubotu> flake: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:19] <contrast83> naknomik: My personal recommendation: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985
[05:19] <coreymon77> rgrolemund: you still there?
[05:20] <naknomik> contrast83: compile packages? naah... too tough for me
[05:20] <ubuntu> best linux  version for  a slower computer
[05:20] <intelikey> anyway pillow  possably the glx module isn't loaded in the xorg.conf due to runlevel 1 ???   idk.
[05:20] <intelikey> i can't even confirm what runlevel i'm in.
[05:20] <flaccid> i wouldn't run X under root or recovery mode
[05:20] <flaccid> is it even possible?
[05:20] <contrast83> naknomik: That how-to walks you through everything step-by-step. I felt the same way as you about it at first, but now I swear by that guide. :-)
[05:20] <intelikey> flaccid yes it is
[05:21] <flaccid> dang
[05:21] <intelikey> and i would start X as root if it was not starting for user  to see if it was a local or system problem
[05:22] <flaccid> the Xorg.0.log or output should be enough to clarify that
[05:22] <intelikey> of course that precludes the use of ?dm
[05:22] <daSkreech> naknomik: Have you tried to compile?
[05:23] <naknomik> DaSkreech: no.
[05:24] <contrast83> naknomik: The next best thing: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=3153
[05:25] <naknomik> How do I get the nvidia-glx installed?
[05:25] <contrast83> naknomik: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:26] <daSkreech> naknomik: So how do you know it's too hard?
[05:26] <naknomik> contrast83: that is done. what next?
[05:26] <intelikey> isp playing havoc with my connection again
[05:26] <contrast83> naknomik: run this: grep "nvidia" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:27] <contrast83> naknomik: What driver does it say from that?
[05:27] <intelikey> still think it may be an attack....    lot's harder for me to track with dnsmasq ip forwarding and the like...  while i was dirrect to the isp it was easy to see what caused the reset.
[05:27] <linuxbie>  ppero  lloo nnecessiittoo ppaara  ttrraabaajjar
[05:28] <naknomik> contrast83: nv
[05:28] <naknomik> contrast83: do I also need to install nvidia-xconfig?
[05:29] <contrast83> naknomik: open that file in a text editor as root and replace that with nvidia
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> naknomik, it comes with the nvidia-glx pkg
[05:29] <contrast83> naknomik: you can. it gives you some options for configuring the card (anisotropic filtering/anti-aliasing levels, etc.)
[05:29] <contrast83> oh, whoops
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> contrast83, and you're thinking of nvidia-settings
[05:30] <contrast83> and whoops again. sorry. :-\
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> contrast83, which also happens to be included
[05:30] <naknomik> hitmanWilly: when I installed nvidia-glx it didn't pull any other packages.
[05:30] <contrast83> naknomik: it's included in that package
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> naknomik, they aren't seperate pkgs
[05:30] <naknomik> currently only nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common are installed
[05:31] <contrast83> that's all you need
[05:31] <saroset> Help, I'm completely lost as to how to install this graphics driver.
[05:31] <naknomik> contrast83: OK, s/nv/nvidia/
[05:31] <naknomik> now?
[05:32] <rgrolemund> what card do u haver?
[05:32] <rgrolemund> have*
[05:32] <intelikey> riva128
[05:32] <rgrolemund> ic
[05:32] <flake> how could I mix two outputs from two different computers into one set of speakers
[05:32] <rgrolemund> if u want a good card that's supported and cheap
[05:32] <naknomik> contrast83: Now just restart x?
[05:32] <rgrolemund> xfx 7600gs
[05:32] <rgrolemund> $115
[05:32] <Combatjuan> Could someone explain to me what the difference is between /usr/local and /usr/ and /usr/share or between local and share in general?
[05:33] <Combatjuan> It seems certain programs prefer to be in a certain spot or at least certain linux distros prefer certain thing.  I can't figure out the pattern though.
[05:33] <intelikey> rgrolemund your idea of cheep and mine seem to contrast greatly.  i have spent $0.00 in my life time on computer hardware.  and intend to keep it that way.
[05:33] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:33] <flaccid> Combatjuan: man hier
[05:33] <daSkreech> flake: A splitter
[05:34] <flaccid> Combatjuan: its distro dependant
[05:34] <sheldonc> Is adept still maintained?
[05:34] <daSkreech> si
[05:34] <Combatjuan> flaccid: Thanks!
[05:34] <flake> daSkreech - a radioshack item?
[05:34] <rgrolemund> test
[05:34] <rgrolemund> whoops
[05:34] <daSkreech> flake: yup
[05:35] <flake> cool, thanks
[05:35] <intelikey> Combatjuan google.com/linux "linux file system higherarchy"
[05:35] <intelikey> err but use correct spelling
[05:35] <rgrolemund> intel.......only i can see what u just said right? (been away from irc soo long renewbified)
[05:36] <intelikey> rgrolemund anything in the channel can be viewed by the channel
[05:36] <rgrolemund> ok
[05:36] <rgrolemund> then whats command for that?
[05:36] <intelikey> "that" ???
[05:36] <rgrolemund> ya, ur page to me
[05:37] <intelikey> /msg blah something
[05:37] <intelikey> ?
[05:37] <rgrolemund> oh ya
[05:37] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:37] <rgrolemund> ty
[05:37] <intelikey> np
[05:37] <rgrolemund> before this past week, last time on IRC was 2000
[05:37] <rgrolemund> o.O
[05:38] <intelikey> i picked up about where you left off
[05:38] <rgrolemund> so a little rusty
[05:38] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:38] <intelikey> been a first timmer on linux ever sense
[05:38] <intelikey> :)
[05:38] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:39] <rgrolemund> i knew it
[05:39] <rgrolemund> i messed with red hat back in late 90's but was against anything but windows (which i was support for)
[05:39] <rgrolemund> have come around since then
[05:39] <Okapi> hello to all
[05:39] <intelikey> and you admit that ????
[05:40] <intelikey> :)
[05:40] <rgrolemund> :*( sorry
[05:40] <rgrolemund> i have learned my lesson
[05:40] <intelikey> Okapi
[05:40] <hydrogen> windows is the future
[05:40] <hydrogen> right now we are on a pleasent diversion
[05:40] <rgrolemund> O.O
[05:40] <hydrogen> embrace the borg
[05:40] <rgrolemund> rofl
[05:40] <Okapi> If I re-install Kubuntu Feist , do I will loose everything I have now?
[05:40] <rgrolemund> star trek?>
[05:41] <hydrogen> Okapi: yea
[05:41] <intelikey> hydrogen only if i can access sector <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:41] <rgrolemund> anyhow once I feel comfortable enough with linux my boss is ok with dumping windows all together @ work
[05:41] <daSkreech> Okapi: did you have a /home partition ?
[05:42] <rgrolemund> even our servers
[05:42] <Okapi> yes
[05:42] <Okapi> darskreech:yes
[05:42] <daSkreech> Okapi: ok You don't have to lose that stuff
[05:43] <Okapi> darskreech: explain how and why? please
[05:43] <intelikey> rgrolemund good.   may i sujest something less "cutting edge"  or in linux terms, "non-flavour of the month club"  for the servers     and no, i don't intend to be specific...
[05:45] <daSkreech> Okapi: when you are installing you can just say that partition is /home and should not be formatted
[05:45] <Okapi> darskreech: cool! and thank you.
[05:45] <daSkreech> Okapi: Sure.
[05:46] <daSkreech> Okapi: you can make a list of what you have installed as well if you wanna back that up
[05:47] <garfield> daSkreech:  for the skydom in beryl what do they mean the demension have to be a power of 2 i.e 1024?
[05:48] <naknomik> daSkreech: OK, looks like now I got the nvidia-glx installed and working. Now what?
[05:48] <daSkreech> garfield: the image has to be some power of 2
[05:48] <Okapi> darskreech: actually I have a problem, my synaptic do not update my system. it is keep saying my system is up to date....
[05:48] <daSkreech> Okapi: You have a blank sources.list I'll bet
[05:49] <ether> Can someone tell me if I'm missing anything?
[05:49] <Okapi> darskreech: I think you are right and just saw it. I am gone update it and try...
[05:49] <garfield> Okapi: well its up to date no?
[05:49] <flake> lol ScorpKing - what's that?
[05:50] <garfield> ScorpKing:  for the skydom in beryl what do they mean the demension have to be a power of 2 i.e 1024?
[05:50] <ScorpKing> huh? lol
[05:50] <Okapi> garfield: I do not think so. It is about a week I did not update it...
[05:51] <naknomik> compiz-fusion?
[05:51] <flake> garfield - sounds like any picture you use has to have a resolution of a power of 2?
[05:51] <garfield> Okapi: are u a kubuntu user or ubuntu?
[05:51] <Okapi> garfield: kubuntu
[05:52] <garfield> flake: so insted a pic is like 500x400 it got to be 1000x800?
[05:52] <flake> man i hate that - I closed VLC but the music is still playing.. time to kill
[05:52] <flake> garfield - power of 2, not sure how to calculate that, but  1024 sounds like one
[05:53] <flake> so 1024x1024
[05:53] <flake> or 1024x768 (if 768 is power of 2, my math fails me)
[05:53] <flake> dont think 768 is
[05:53] <flake> those numbers tho
[05:53] <garfield> k
[05:54] <flake> http://en.wiki.mcneel.com/default.aspx/McNeel/BackgroundBitmap.html
[05:54] <flake> garfield ^^
[05:55] <flake> anyone know why vlc keeps playing when I close it, is there a simple setting
[05:55] <rgrolemund> are you not actually closing it, but minimizing to system tray?
[05:55] <intelikey> flake sure it's not closing to the taskbar/systray
[05:56] <intelikey> ?
[05:56] <flake> I hit the 'X' and it goes away but music keeps playing in background
[05:56] <rgrolemund> ya ur sending to sys tray
[05:57] <intelikey> that can be configured within vlc's config
[05:58] <flake> heh, now it closed
[05:58] <flake> makes a fool of me it does
[05:58] <flake> as if I needed any help with that
[05:59] <intelikey> :)
[05:59] <rgrolemund> lol i have asked help on worse
[05:59] <coreymon77> rgrolemund: pm
[05:59] <kkathman> evenin all
[05:59] <intelikey> where's my c:\ drive ???
[05:59] <ubunturos> kkathman: it evening in?
[05:59] <coreymon77> intelikey: in linux?
[05:59] <kkathman> Texas :)
[06:00] <ubunturos> intelikey: there's no C: \ drive in :)
[06:00] <intelikey> :>~'c:\'
[06:00] <daSkreech> intelikey: Fdisk
[06:00] <intelikey> there is now.
[06:00] <ubunturos> in GNU/Linux
[06:00] <intelikey> :)
[06:00] <intelikey> run that and C :)
[06:00] <intelikey> :>~'c:\'
[06:00] <garfield> ??
[06:00] <Okapi> darskreech: What about reinstalling on the same partition...without formatting them? I will still loose information?
[06:01] <naknomik> I installed beryl-kubuntu (and dependencies) now how do I get beryl to load?
[06:01] <intelikey> one could mkdir ~'c:\'    in sted
[06:01] <intelikey> and actually mount an M$ partition on it ....
[06:01] <garfield> naknomik: alt+space bar type beryl
[06:02] <naknomik> garfield: there is only beryl settings manager no 'beryl'
[06:02] <hydrogen> probably better to start beryl-manager
[06:03] <ubunturos> naknomik: you should probably see a menu within the K-menu
[06:04] <garfield> naknomik: do u have the red crystel in k-menu settings?
[06:04] <naknomik> I did apt-get install beryl manager, now it is. I ran beryl manager. but all window decorations are gone now.
[06:05] <garfield> naknomik: lol did the red crystal apair in your bar down to the right?
[06:05] <naknomik> yes, it did.
[06:06] <rgrolemund> wow that was weird
[06:06] <garfield> naknomik: right click it "select window manager <beryl
[06:06] <rgrolemund> mouse didn't lock up but wireless keyboard starting hitting random keys
[06:06] <bigleon> !adept
[06:06] <garfield> rgrolemund: ???
[06:06] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager.  Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:09] <hydrogen> or emerald I suppose
[06:09] <ubunturos> !emrald
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emrald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <naknomik> garfield: I have aquamarine installed
[06:09] <hydrogen> then run it
[06:09] <ScorpKing> cheers everyone! have fun and plz don't break anything. :P
[06:10] <intelikey> !emerald
[06:10] <hydrogen> alt+f2, aquamarine
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <garfield> naknomik: when u mean deco u mean like the minimize,close icons?
[06:10] <ubunturos> garfield: yes, he does
[06:10] <naknomik> garfield: yes, the frames around windows, title bar and the minimize, close icons. gone
[06:10] <garfield> ubunturos: who does?
[06:11] <ubunturos> garfield: naknomik
[06:11] <naknomik> garfield: I can move windows with Alt-Left Click. They do wobble.
[06:11] <naknomik> ubunturos: ?
[06:11] <hydrogen> did you run aquamarine?
[06:12] <daSkreech> Hi bigleon
[06:12] <garfield> naknomik: right click beryl "select window manager">kde
[06:12] <naknomik> If I run aquamarine from an xterm, I get error: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[06:12] <intelikey> ubunturos if no one else will ignore us, we can always ignore each other   :)
[06:12] <xp_killer> :(
[06:12] <ubunturos> intelikey: :)
[06:13] <ibilic> what is in /dev/hda?
[06:13] <naknomik> garfield: if I select window manager kde, the decorations come back, but I lose the 3d effects too.
[06:13] <ibilic> I am following this tutorial
[06:13] <ibilic> http://www.advicesource.org/ubuntu/Run_Existing_Windows_Instalation_On_Ubuntu_With_Vmware_player.html
[06:13] <xp_killer> ibilic: one of your hdd
[06:13] <intelikey> ibilic every thing in /dev is device nodes  hda would be the first ide disk
[06:14] <intelikey> primary master ide
[06:14] <ibilic> but when I get to ?
[06:14] <ibilic> Type "quit" in parted and make copy of MBR. Copy-paste this command into console:
[06:14] <ibilic> "dd if=/dev/hda of=windowsxp.mbr bs=512 count=63"
[06:14] <ibilic> I get stuck
[06:14] <ibilic> it says:
[06:14] <intelikey> try sda in place of hda
[06:14] <ibilic> dd: opening `/dev/hda': No such file or directory
[06:15] <intelikey> or hdc   even
[06:15] <xevious> how can i open konqueror (in file manager mode) as root under kubuntu?
[06:15] <intelikey> !kdesu | xevious
[06:15] <ubotu> xevious: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:15] <xp_killer> !sda
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <ubunturos> xevious: issue the command kdesu konqueror at the command prompt
[06:16] <xp_killer> !hda
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <xp_killer> arf
[06:16] <ibilic> I am browsing my dev folder
[06:16] <intelikey> !devices
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devices - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <xp_killer> naknomik: did everything come back?
[06:16] <ibilic> I have: bus, disk, fd, input, net, pts, shm and snd
[06:16] <intelikey> ibilic i wouldn't   jsut cat /proc/partitions
[06:16] <naknomik> xp_killer: yes
[06:16] <naknomik> but beryl effects are gone
[06:16] <intelikey> see what the device is.
[06:16] <MarcC> how do I restart the network?
[06:17] <ibilic> ( just so that you know, I am a complete newbie... installed Kubuntu today )
[06:17] <MarcC> errr...restart network services in Kubuntu
[06:17] <pillowpants> fixed my driver problems
[06:17] <ubunturos> !etc/rc
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etc/rc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <pillowpants> gave up on the old fashioned way and used envy
[06:17] <intelikey> MarcC /etc/init.d/network* [stop/start/restart]
[06:18] <ibilic> so I am trying to run a virtual machine of windows under Kubuntu
[06:18] <MarcC> thanks intelikey :)
[06:18] <ibilic> I don't understand why they are assuming that I have windowsxp.mbr under kubuntu...
[06:18] <intelikey> :)
[06:18] <hydrogen> no
[06:18] <hydrogen> they are telling you to make it
[06:19] <hydrogen> by copying the first 512 bytes off of your windows hard drive
[06:19] <naknomik> aquamarine keeps dying.
[06:19] <ibilic> but my windows hard drive is not mounted
[06:19] <hydrogen> which is not going to be at all helpful if you overwrote your boot record with grub
[06:19] <hydrogen> like ubuntu does
[06:19] <hydrogen> ibilic: it doesn't need to be mounted
[06:19] <intelikey> ibilic it doesn't need to be munted
[06:19] <intelikey> ditto
[06:20] <xp_killer> naknomik: try like me i had allmost the same problems with beryl working bad try disableling graphics etc in sys settings etc then manage beryl settings manager enable crash handler in development
[06:20] <ibilic> is there a disk manager in ubuntu? like for me to see all the partitions?
[06:20] <hydrogen> someone already told you
[06:20] <hydrogen> cat /proc/partitions
[06:20] <hydrogen> its probably sda
[06:21] <hydrogen> its not going to be that helpful though because you overwrote the mbr with grub
[06:21] <intelikey> is there an echo in here ???
[06:21] <intelikey> :)
[06:21] <saroset_> Ok, anyone know anything about installing a driver? I tried to follow the online guide but it does some things I cant seem to do.
[06:21] <hydrogen> thats quite a vague question
[06:21] <hydrogen> i've installed a driver at one point or another
[06:21] <hydrogen> but that doens't mean I can help you
[06:22] <saroset_> nVidia GeForce 6800 driver.
[06:22] <daSkreech> hydrogen: isn't there one in System settings?
[06:22] <daSkreech> I'm almost sure of it
[06:22] <xp_killer> lol
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     0   78156288 sda
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     1   52403998 sda1
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     2    2032222 sda2
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     3   22683780 sda3
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     4          1 sda4
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     5    1028128 sda5
[06:22] <ibilic>    8    16   78156288 sdb
[06:22] <hydrogen> @@@
[06:22] <intelikey> sda
[06:22] <hydrogen> down!
[06:22] <hydrogen> saroset: sudo apt-get instlal nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:23] <nalioth> !paste
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[06:23] <Ic3man> hi
[06:23] <saroset> hydrogen, thank you.
[06:23] <intelikey> nalioth's back
[06:23] <tazgodx> umm, i was watching a video in VLC and i closed it, and now i have the audio still playing. anyw ay to kill this audio?
[06:23] <nalioth> intelikey: i've never left
[06:23] <ibilic> so I just replace the "hda" with "sda"? ok I'll try it
[06:23] <intelikey> oh.   ;/
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> Hi
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> i need help
[06:23] <nalioth> tazgodx: open a console and type "killall vlc"
[06:23] <hydrogen> !help
[06:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> i'm trying to install kubuntu
[06:23] <hydrogen> !ask
[06:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:23] <intelikey> well welcome back to where you never left nalioth
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> kkk
[06:24] <nalioth> intelikey: :)
[06:24] <tazgodx> says no process killed :(
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> ok i'm getting this warning The file system on /dev/hda2 assigned to / has not been marked for formatting. File systems used by the system (/, /boot, /usr, /var) must be reformatted for use by this installer. Other file systems (/home, /media/*, /usr/local, etc.) may be used without reformatting
[06:24] <naknomik> Can I upgrade to Gutsy from Feisty? I'm running Kubuntu
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> i don't know what should i do there
[06:24] <hydrogen> naknomik: you probably shouldn't.
[06:24] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: Set the partition you have marked as / to format
[06:24] <nalioth> naknomik: yes, but we recommend you wait until the official release
[06:24] <daSkreech> naknomik:
[06:24] <daSkreech> Yes
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> ko
[06:24] <ibilic> it worked, thanks!!!
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> that's it?
[06:25] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: yup
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> yay it worked
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> thanks a lot
[06:25] <daSkreech> naknomik: Though asking that question probably means you shouldn't :)
[06:25] <xp_killer> naknomik: wait untill november
[06:25] <naknomik> I'm running on a "play" machine, if something breaks I'll reinstall everything.
[06:25] <intelikey> Vnzlaguy unless you are intentionaly protecting data on the /  then format it.
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> nah
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> the other partition is where i have my music
[06:26] <daSkreech> xp_killer: Umm the 10th isn't november
[06:26] <naknomik> I want to try KDE 4 Beta 2
[06:26] <daSkreech> naknomik: There is a live Cd you can run
[06:26] <Vnzlaguy> how long this should take?
[06:26] <hydrogen> you can do beta2 in feisty
[06:26] <naknomik> daSkreech: LiveCD of KDE 4?
[06:26] <intelikey> and i hope that they change that in the installer.   installers for linux should NOT demand a clean root fs   a request is fine but being unflexable is not.
[06:26] <daSkreech> naknomik: yes
[06:26] <xp_killer> daSkreech: they say the end of october but is best is she wait and ask question u never know if it haves a huge problem
[06:27] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: blazing fast
[06:27] <naknomik> hydrogen: I followed the directions but KDE 4 doesn't seem to be working.
[06:27] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: the entire install is about the time it takes windows to do the format
[06:27] <Vnzlaguy> it's on 24% already (:
[06:27] <hydrogen> intelikey: err, its much better to demand a clean one than to possibly overwrite half of the files and cause a superb0rked system
[06:27] <xp_killer> daSkreech: like the first time xp came out did u install it one time?
[06:27] <Vnzlaguy> yeah haha
[06:27] <rgrolemund> daSkreech; tru dat
[06:28] <intelikey> hydrogen not in my assessment of it. it's not.    tell me what you think i should do, then do what i say.
[06:28] <daSkreech> xp_killer: I don't recall installing it at all
[06:28] <intelikey> hydrogen if i wanted a windows installer i'd install windows
[06:28] <MarcC> how do I type a folder name with spaces in it on the command line
[06:28] <rgrolemund> lol
[06:28] <MarcC> ?
[06:28] <flake> why is the new nvidia driver 100.14.11 and mine is 1.0.97, legacy is 1.0.96
[06:28] <hydrogen> intelikey: right.. but no installer should do things that are known to be a bad idea
[06:28] <MarcC> I need to mount a folder but it has spaces in the name.
[06:29] <flaccid> MarcC:  use \ but can tab complete using tab
[06:29] <rgrolemund> intel; u kill me man
[06:29] <MarcC> flaccid: My\ Music ?
[06:29] <rgrolemund> got me rollin
[06:29] <intelikey> hydrogen wrong.   no installer should refuse to do what the user tells them to.
[06:29] <flake> what is IA32 and how is that different from x86
[06:29] <MarcC> I didn't know it could tab-complete the name of a windows share
[06:29] <hydrogen> intelikey: sure it should
[06:29] <intelikey> gripe complain   fine.   but do it anyway.
[06:29] <flaccid> MarcC:  yeah
[06:29] <naknomik> I followed the directions on the kubuntu page, to get KDE 4, I have added it as a new session, when I login with that session, I get a big panel with two big blobs and a text 'This object could not be loaded' No K menu, no task bar, or nothing else.
[06:29] <intelikey> hydrogen why ?
[06:30] <hydrogen> intelikey: the majority of people using said installer are not knowledgeable about what they are doing to be given the power to make bad decisions
[06:30] <LiquidXTC> anyone here fluent with airmon-ng, some of the issues, and could give me a hand??
[06:31] <intelikey> hydrogen i see, you have the "the poor fools are to stupid to use their computers, so we have to protect them from their selves." attitude.   sorry but i'm one of the poor fools and you are too, so that don't wash in my book.
[06:31] <flake> well I'm off to upgrade from 1.0.97 to 100.14.11, wash me luck
[06:32] <daSkreech> LiquidXTC: With what?
[06:33] <naknomik> hydrogen?
[06:34] <hydrogen> naknomik: that is kde4 beta2
[06:34] <hydrogen> in all its glory
[06:34] <hydrogen> no error on your part
[06:35] <Vnzlaguy> if i mount my hard drives that are on NTFS will i lose my information there?
[06:35] <hydrogen> no
[06:35] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: don't write to them :)
[06:35] <xp_killer> lol
[06:35] <hydrogen> writing is fine
[06:35] <level1> hi, does anyone here know how to connect to efnet?  all of their servers reject me
[06:35] <hydrogen> just use ntfs-3g
[06:35] <emonkey> hmm kde4 ... dows anbody knwo why I've got just two strange widgets at the the bottom with the message "this object could not be created" ?
[06:35] <daSkreech> You can but with a warning
[06:35] <xp_killer> write write write write write write write write write write write write write
[06:35] <flaccid> Vnzlaguy: no
[06:35] <hydrogen> emonkey: because thats kde4 beta2
[06:35] <Vnzlaguy> ok
[06:35] <emonkey> hydrogen, k
[06:35] <hydrogen> emonkey: you can still run kde4 apps in it
[06:36] <flaccid> ntfs-3g is pretty stable now
[06:36] <level1> emonkey: lol, it'll get better, we swear!
[06:36] <naknomik> hydrogen: is it broken on Feisty?
[06:36] <xp_killer> flaccid: ntfs-config
[06:36] <hydrogen> naknomik: it's broken on  everything
[06:36] <hydrogen> its not just feisty
[06:36] <emonkey> hydrogen, level1 no problem I'm just testing it here on my surftstation
[06:36] <hydrogen> yea
[06:36] <hydrogen> but do test out the not-desktop :)
[06:36] <hydrogen> kdegames4 is very nice
[06:37] <xp_killer> kubuntu remind me of xp everytime it crashes
[06:37] <Lega> Hello.
[06:37] <emonkey> really... maybe I should reactivate kicker
[06:37] <flaccid> xp_killer: wh are you talking to me?
[06:37] <hydrogen> kdebase is kind of riddiculous in size though
[06:37] <Lega> Anyone particularly want to help out a linux n00b?
[06:37] <Vnzlaguy> you are not alone haha
[06:38] <emonkey> just and we'll see if we can help
[06:38] <Lega> Haha, well, at least I'm not the only one...
[06:38] <hydrogen> !ask
[06:38] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:38] <xp_killer> flaccid: if u keep telling other ntfs-3g they will only install that wich is a bad thing it's best if they install ntfs-config
[06:38] <level1> hydrogen: our !ask is much nicer than the #java ~ask
[06:38] <Lega> Well, I want to be able to login as root user. Just plain root, not as root in the console, but root overall.
[06:38] <flaccid> xp_killer: incorrect, they should follow the howto on the wiki
[06:39] <hydrogen> Lega: no you don't.
[06:39] <flaccid> where can i d/l openssh-server pacakge manually for dapper?
[06:39] <Lega> Oh, wait, I just had an idea.
[06:39] <flaccid> can't see link to .deb here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/net/openssh-server
[06:39] <Lega> hydrogen: Why not?
[06:39] <hydrogen> Lega: there is absolutely no reason to run it as root
[06:39] <hydrogen> and there are plenty of reasons ont to
[06:39] <Lega> I think it'd be far more useful to be root and not have to type in my password for every little thing.
[06:39] <emonkey> Lega, if really want to activate root, it's very simple
[06:40] <hydrogen> mm
[06:40] <hydrogen> no
[06:40] <hydrogen> because if your running as root
[06:40] <hydrogen> and you are running an app that has a security hole
[06:40] <hydrogen> of which there are many
[06:40] <Lega> Ah...
[06:40] <Lega> I see your point.
[06:40] <hydrogen> and it gets exploited
[06:40] <hydrogen> now the person has root access
[06:40] <hydrogen> instead of limited access
[06:40] <Lega> Right... :E
[06:40] <intelikey> Lega there is a setting in kcontrol that will allow root login through kdm    setting the root password is as simple as    sudo passwd    and enter the new password.    but it is not a really good idea to use gui apps as root   nor to login as root in general    but esspecially  DO NOT run internet apps as root.
[06:41] <Lega> Hmm, well, I think I just thought of a way past my problem.
[06:41] <emonkey> if you just want to have a root shell, use the sudo -i command
[06:41] <Lega> Is it bad to sudo su whenever I run a console?
[06:41] <hydrogen> Lega: I think that you can increase the sudo timeout to 24h (or never) so you only have to enter your password once
[06:41] <flaccid> Lega: yes
[06:41] <hydrogen> Lega: yea, you should at least do sudo su -
[06:41] <intelikey> Lega depends on what you do in that console
[06:41] <Meowmixiscoo> Big problem.
[06:41] <hydrogen> to get a root environment
[06:42] <hydrogen> but sudo -i is a shortcut for that
[06:42] <flaccid> sudo -i is handy
[06:42] <hydrogen> as sudo -s is a shortcut for sudo su
[06:42] <Meowmixiscoo> I tried that thing for my drivers and now it wont load. It just goes to a black screen that I can type in.
[06:42] <Lega> Also... Super Karamba is a little wonky.
[06:42] <intelikey> Lega   man man    or    man intro
[06:43] <Lega> Why use man instead of --help?
[06:43] <intelikey> try it and see
[06:43] <hydrogen> it looks like you can visudo and set passwd_timeout = 0
[06:43] <Lega> Oh, online reference manuals.
[06:43] <intelikey> more info    authors notes.  search feature
[06:44] <hydrogen> in some cases
[06:44] <hydrogen> and in some cases --help is more up to date
[06:44] <hydrogen> its kind of hit or miss :
[06:44] <hydrogen> try both
[06:44] <hydrogen> and combine the two
[06:44] <intelikey> in some cases hydrogen i agree.
[06:44] <hydrogen> jesus
[06:45] <intelikey> but some commands --help yelds nothing
[06:45] <pillowpants> does anyone know the name of the opensource limewire?
[06:45] <pillowpants> its called frostwire or something along those lines
[06:45] <Lega> I don't really understand what sudo -i does.
[06:45] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, can you specify your problem more exactly?
[06:45] <intelikey> makes it a login shell
[06:45] <hydrogen> Lega: its the same as su -
[06:45] <Lega> But I shouldn't be doing sudo su, then passwording, and then running around in that terminal as a root, right?
[06:45] <pillowpants> wait, that is it
[06:45] <Lega> Oh.
[06:45] <intelikey> i.e. the root env
[06:45] <Lega> Oh, okay.
[06:45] <hydrogen> you can do that if you want
[06:46] <[ifr0g] > pillowpants, yes you are right FrostWire.
[06:46] <CU1> Hi - How does one mount the cdrom drive??it will mount ok upon boot, but the is no longer mounted at some pont till reboot.
[06:46] <Lega> Is there anything bad/dangerous about doing it like there is with running root in GUI?
[06:46] <Meowmixiscoo> Not really =/. I tried to update my nVidia drivers with a command someone gave me in this channel and now Kubuntu just goes to a black screen with a command line that doesn't display or respond to anything.
[06:46] <daSkreech> level1: what's jave ~ask ?
[06:46] <Lega> *the gui
[06:46] <hydrogen> Lega: the same things
[06:46] <Meowmixiscoo> I started in recovery mode and that works.
[06:46] <Lega> Ah. :\
[06:46] <hydrogen> Lega: you really should only be root to do things that you can't do as a normal user
[06:47] <Lega> Yeah... I think I just got into the habit instead of prefacing everything with sudo.
[06:47] <intelikey> Lega yes.   root is unrestricted,   that is you can fix or break anything from root   that's not true with user accounts.
[06:47] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, who gave you which command?
[06:47] <intelikey> !virus
[06:47] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:47] <Meowmixiscoo> Hydrogen. It did update something.
[06:48] <daSkreech> !frostwire
[06:48] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:48] <intelikey> Lega maybe you should read   http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:48] <Lega> I'll get on that, thanks. :D
[06:48] <Lega> chmod is the command to change permissions on a folder, right?
[06:48] <hydrogen> yea
[06:48] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, Did you changed from nv to nvidia, do you know that?
[06:49] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, huh?
[06:49] <CU1> Help please - How mount cdrom, using perhaps Konqueror? thx
[06:49] <Lega> See, the problem I'm having is, I just mounted an external harddrive into /mnt/harddrive/, and I can't browse it in the gui as my normal user account because I don't have the right permissions.
[06:49] <daSkreech> Lega: the difference is that in a GUI you have many things running most of which you did not explictly start as that user (though they are running as that user)
[06:49] <emonkey> nv ist the opensource nvidia driver, nvidia the priprietyr one
[06:49] <hydrogen> CU1: navigate to cdrom:/ in konqueror
[06:50] <hydrogen> Lega: you need to mount it with the user option
[06:50] <level1> daSkreech:  actually, I'm wrong, ~ask is very mean, but some of the other stuff that goes on in that channel is downright abusive
[06:50] <daSkreech> Lega: in the command line you have many things running as that user but you know you started them and >hopefully< what they are
[06:50] <hydrogen> Lega: assuming its in /etc/fstab, just add ,user to the fourth column
[06:50] <Lega> Lemme check...
[06:50] <hydrogen> and then you can mount as the user
[06:50] <daSkreech> level1: Thank goodness we use python then eh ?
[06:50] <ether> If I have a http/dns server connected to the WAN port of a router, what do I need to do to make the other computers on the router connect to that server?
[06:50] <CU1> hydrogen: Thx, but doesn't work - nolthing shows up there.
[06:50] <level1> daSkreech: I love the language, but the support sucks and the ides are pretty bad
[06:51] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, if you type lspci|grep VGA in a console what does it say?
[06:51] <hydrogen> CU1: what kind of cd is it?
[06:51] <CU1> hydrogen: also /media/cdrom0 - same thing
[06:51] <level1> ~ask isn't very mean, I meant to say
[06:51] <rafael> hmm how do i put my monitor resolution at the max?
[06:51] <daSkreech> level1: I thought the eclipse was like the mercedes of FOSS IDEs?
[06:51] <CU1> hydrogen: it's a sw cd with windows application sw, labview, , notfrom microsoft,
[06:51] <Lega> I have no idea what I should do with this fstab file. :E
[06:52] <CU1> hydrogen: it will mount at boot, buth then the mount goes away, even though the cd is still in the drive,
[06:52] <naknomik> is there a 'Weather' applet on Kubuntu like in Ubuntu?
[06:52] <hydrogen> Lega: look for the line that has /mnt/harddrive
[06:52] <intelikey> Lega also, don't misunderstand me, i do NOT think that the ubuntu "root jr." approach is any safer than a secure root password and using su -   the best way would be to setup sudoers correctly.    as is, in some cases; it gives a false sense of security. (imo)    but i do understand and concent to the idea that doing most things as root is a bad idea period.
[06:52] <Meowmixiscoo> 01:00.0 VGA ompatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV41.1 [GeForce 6800]  (rev a2)
[06:52] <level1> daSkreech: i don't like eclipse, its very confusing, and on a default install of ubuntu its very slow beacuse of gij
[06:53] <hydrogen> Lega: each line has columns separated by tabs
[06:53] <CU1> hydrogen: is there a tool to cause a cdrom to be mounted? I'd have thought konq would have that ability.
[06:53] <daSkreech> !fstab
[06:53] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:53] <hydrogen> Lega: the form is something like <device> <TAB> <mount point> <TAB> <file system> <TAB> <options> <TAB> <other things>
[06:53] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey Jucato....long time no see....
[06:53] <Lega> hydrogen: I don't see the /mnt/harddrive/ in there, though.
[06:53] <hydrogen> you need to edit the options column
[06:53] <hydrogen> to include ,user
[06:53] <level1> CU1: it should be mounted when you try to open it in konqueror, does that not work for you?
[06:53] <hydrogen> Lega: then you might need to add it..
[06:54] <intelikey> CU1 jsut mount it.   alt+f2  mount /dev/cdrom
[06:54] <hydrogen> Lega: how do you usually mount the drive?
[06:54] <Lega> I just figured out today how to mount the drive.
[06:54] <hydrogen> how do you do it?
[06:54] <Lega> Lemme find the command real quick...
[06:54] <intelikey> hydrogen just a though but user,users,  is a good idea
[06:54] <CU1> level1: I browse in konq to /media/cdrom0, or /cdrom - the directory is empty
[06:55] <Lega> Okay, I did this:
[06:55] <Lega> mkdir /mnt/harddrive/
[06:55] <jordo23> Has there been problems with Konqueror and the latest Adobe flash release? 9.0.48?
[06:55] <level1> CU1: hmmm... that shouldn't be
[06:55] <rafael> Hello i need help with my Geforce 7 video card driver
[06:55] <rafael> can someone help me out?
[06:55] <hydrogen> intelikey: well, they appear to be mutually exclusive (after reading the mount page) but I dind't know what users did before now :)
[06:55] <Lega> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/harddrive
[06:55] <hydrogen> Lega: okay
[06:55] <level1> CU1: are there any other folders with names like /media/cdrom-1 or something?
[06:55] <hydrogen> Lega: so, what you need to do
[06:56] <hydrogen> is add a line to the bottom of /etc/fstab
[06:56] <hydrogen> that looks like this
[06:56] <CU1> intelikey: THANKS  - THAT DID IT  - "mount /dev/cdrom0"  :)
[06:56] <intelikey> hydrogen hmmmm maybe one of those "out of date" things you mentioned...
[06:56] <as2000> suggestions on a good firewall/antiv software?
[06:56] <intelikey> CU1 welcome
[06:56] <hydrogen>  /dev/sda1<TAB>/mnt/harddrive<TAB>ntfs<TAB>defaults,users<TAB>0<TAB>0
[06:56] <Doctor_Nick> !rms
[06:56] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[06:56] <hydrogen> replace <TAB> with a tab obviously ::)
[06:57] <level1> as2000: I'm always skeptical that you would ever need it, I mean, linux isn't perfect, but really there are almost no attacks on linux
[06:57] <jordo23> Intelikey: Have you updated flash to 9.0.48?
[06:57] <level1> !torvalds
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about torvalds - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <level1> are you kidding me?
[06:57] <daSkreech> !info vrms
[06:57] <ubotu> vrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 108 kB
[06:57] <hydrogen> !linus
[06:57] <naknomik> Why doesn't Kubuntu come default with Firefox?
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <naknomik> Konqui keeps crashing when I visit gmail.
[06:57] <level1> daSkreech: the debian !vrms is very funny
[06:57] <daSkreech> level1: yet :)
[06:57] <hydrogen> naknomik: because konqueror is way more cool
[06:58] <Lega> Okay, so now it should give me access to /harddrive/ as a normal user?
[06:58] <as2000> level1: never too careful
[06:58] <level1> naknomik: you can download firefox pretty easily
[06:58] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, sorry... had to go to toilet ... ok... you've nearly the same card like me...
[06:58] <hydrogen> Lega: yea
[06:58] <naknomik> hydrogen: Konque keeps crashing
[06:58] <hydrogen> Lega: after doing that, as a normal user you will be able to mount /mnt/harddrive
[06:58] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, any idea what's up with it?
[06:58] <hydrogen> naknomik: thats because google is a bunch of commies
[06:58] <hydrogen> and deliberatly breaks browsers that are not firefox/ie
[06:58] <level1> naknomik: its not added because we would have to add a lot fo other technology like gnome to fit it in there, and there just isn't enough space on the cd
[06:58] <jordo23> !konqueror
[06:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <jordo23> !flash
[06:59] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:59] <Lega> hydro: should it work instantly, or do I have to restart kde or anything?
[06:59] <Lega> Or do I have to unmount/remount the drive?
[06:59] <hydrogen> Lega: it should work instantly
[06:59] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, type cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nv and tell me what does it say
[06:59] <hydrogen> Lega: you need to unmount the drive as root
[06:59] <hydrogen> then mount it as a user
[06:59] <level1> naknomik: you can just "sudo apt-get install firefox" and you should be good to go
[06:59] <rafael> how do i log as root?
[06:59] <daSkreech> hydrogen: they break them with some reason though
[06:59] <Meowmixiscoo> Driver   "nvidia"
[07:00] <intelikey> !root | rafael
[07:00] <ubotu> rafael: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:00] <daSkreech> rafael: most logs are done as root
[07:00] <rafael> ok
[07:00] <Lega> umount is the unmount command?
[07:00] <naknomik> Is there a 'Weather' like applet on KDE?
[07:00] <jordo23> intelikey: Have there been problems with flash 9.0.48 and konq?  Been outa the loop for a bit....
[07:00] <daSkreech> Lega: I know worst command name ever
[07:00] <hydrogen> Lega: yea
[07:00] <rafael> i'm trying to configurate my video card and also my monitor
[07:00] <intelikey> jordo23 haven't been seeing many
[07:00] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, that's good... hmm did you install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[07:00] <Lega> Haha, yeah, trying unmount over and over to no avail... XD
[07:01] <Meowmixiscoo> I dont know =/.
[07:01] <jordo23> intelikey: I go to youtube and it says I need to upgrade before viewing videos....
[07:01] <daSkreech> naknomik: Right click the taskbar -> add applet -> weather
[07:01] <jordo23> intelikey: although firefox works fine....
[07:01] <intelikey> jordo23 there are some web sites that are not standards compliant  konq is standards compliant     ff is not.
[07:01] <jordo23> intelikey: Is there a way around this?
[07:01] <level1> jordo23: I can veiw youtube in konqueror... theres a secret to it, you wanna know?
[07:02] <hydrogen> that depends on the standard :)
[07:02] <naknomik> daSkreech: there is no applet called weather, that I could find in the list.
[07:02] <emonkey> hydrogen, do you already knwo what you've done with Meowmixiscoo ? Especially which driver he has installed.
[07:02] <jordo23> level1: umm....
[07:02] <hydrogen> emonkey: nvidia-glx
[07:02] <Lega> Argh...
[07:02] <Meowmixiscoo> I was on the name saroset
[07:02] <level1> jordo23: go to configure konqueror
[07:02] <intelikey> jordo23 perhaps, set konq to id as ff ?     it will work on some of them.
[07:02] <Lega> It says only root can mount.
[07:02] <level1> jordo23: go to plugins (at the bottom)
[07:02] <hydrogen> Lega: type just mount /mnt/harddrive
[07:02] <hydrogen> not the whole command
[07:02] <level1> jordo23: click scan for new plugins
[07:03] <level1> jordo23: restart konqueror
[07:03] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, please type lsmod | grep agp an tell me the result
[07:03] <intelikey> jordo23 ah i see level1 has picked you up there    good.
[07:03] <Lega> Well, it mounted correctly...
[07:03] <hydrogen> ?
[07:03] <Lega> But it is still not allowing me access as normal user.
[07:03] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, agpgart         35400  1 nvidia
[07:03] <hydrogen> who did you mount it as?
[07:03] <Lega> Normal user.
[07:03] <jordo23> intelikey level1: Umm....yeah.....that didn't work..
[07:04] <hydrogen> who did you make the mount point as?
[07:04] <level1> jordo23: are you serios?
[07:04] <Lega> I'm sorry?
[07:04] <hydrogen> try this
[07:04] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, do you know if you have a Asus K8V-X SE or a Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe mainboard?
[07:04] <daSkreech> naknomik: umm check adept ?
[07:04] <jordo23> level1: Yes....(I know to try that too)... :)
[07:04] <hydrogen> sudo chown <YOURUSERNAME>: /mnt/harddrive
[07:04] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, I don't know. Only thing I know about it is that it is a nVidia board.
[07:05] <level1> jordo23: this is more than your everyday annoyance
[07:05] <Lega> Changing ownership of '/mnt/harddrive': read only file system.
[07:05] <jordo23> level1 intelikey: Didn't think of trying browser ID though...that worked... thanks guys...
[07:05] <hydrogen> Lega: mm
[07:05] <hydrogen> Lega: umount /mnt/harddrive first
[07:05] <hydrogen> then try that
[07:05] <level1> jordo23: yeah, browser id is probably konquerors most important feature
[07:06] <jordo23> level1: Yeah....got so comfortable for a while, forgot you could change it....oops
[07:06] <level1> is there a way I can add torvalds to the list of ubotu factoids? it seems like an awful ommision
[07:06] <emonkey> Does anybody know a command which we can check what mainboard we have?
[07:06] <mefisto__> is there a gui for changing user passwords?
[07:06] <Lega> Was chown supposed to be done in root?
[07:06] <hydrogen> mefisto__: user manager in system settings
[07:07] <hydrogen> Lega: yea
[07:07] <mefisto__> thanks hydrogen
[07:07] <hydrogen> or with sudo
[07:07] <daSkreech> emonoes  to mindkey: lshw comes
[07:07] <level1> jordo23: konqueror would be great if its rendering engine didn't blow up on non-standard complaint pages (not konqs fault, but still)
[07:07] <intelikey> i think hydrogen is still trying to crack my server....
[07:07] <hydrogen> course I am!
[07:07] <daSkreech> emonkey: lshw comes to mind
[07:07] <intelikey> :)
[07:07] <Lega> Argh, still permission denied.
[07:07] <hydrogen> right after I crack my pillow
[07:07] <hydrogen> time for bed
[07:07] <hydrogen> kn8
[07:07] <hydrogen> sorry lega
[07:07] <daSkreech> Lega: What did you mount as?
[07:07] <hydrogen> someone else will help you i'm sure
[07:08] <jordo23> level1: Yeah.....Konq is my favorite browser of all time. I hope they don't ditch it in KDE 4. I know it'll be there, but I hope they still develop and refine it...
[07:08] <Meowmixiscoo> lshw just spammed me with a ton of info
[07:08] <Lega> It is alright, thanks for all your help! :D
[07:08] <daSkreech> Lega: this is Fstab ?
[07:08] <Lega> Yes.
[07:08] <daSkreech> Meowmixiscoo: sorry "_"
[07:08] <intelikey> Lega  let me ask again in case you saw my q and i didn't see your answer.    what fs is that  ntfs vfat ext# rieserfs ???
[07:08] <daSkreech> lshw | less
[07:08] <emonkey> daSkreech, thx I'll try out
[07:08] <Lega> ntfs, intelikey.
[07:08] <level1> jordo23: I'm not sure about the introduction of dolphin either, but it probably just means that konqueror will become more specifically a browser, which isn't bad
[07:08] <naknomik> I installed kweather but it doesn't show up in the applet list.
[07:09] <Lega> So I unmounted as normal user, then sudo chown <username>: /mnt/harddrive/, then I mounted.
[07:09] <Lega> Wait.
[07:09] <intelikey> umask=222
[07:09] <Lega> I might have it.
[07:09] <level1> naknomik: well, you might have to log out and log back in, or restart kicker
[07:09] <Meowmixiscoo> The only identifier there is a bunch of stuff about it being a Dell computer =/
[07:09] <pillowpants> how do you uninstall from the shell?
[07:09] <Lega> Ugh, nope.
[07:09] <jordo23> level1: I think it is....because I like the way Konq is like a swiss army knife....I like when one app does the work of three or for.....imo....
[07:09] <pillowpants> dpkg --uninstall?
[07:09] <intelikey> or    umask=000,ro
[07:09] <Lega> Still no permission as normal user into the harddrive.
[07:09] <naknomik> level1: can I restart kicker without disrupting running programs?
[07:10] <flake> that was an exercise in futility
[07:10] <intelikey> pillowpants apt-get remove blah
[07:10] <Jucato> naknomik: yes
[07:10] <pillowpants> intelikey: thanks
[07:10] <Jucato> naknomik: Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:10] <level1> jordo23: yeah, i'm disappointed that they will be moving more stuff to external viewers... konqueror is really a veiwer at heart, its like taking away its soul
[07:10] <flake> thank God for stuff like putty and shared drives
[07:10] <jordo23> level1: When you enable Desktop Sharing in Kubuntu.....is there a way that you can have it accept connections automatically? So i can connect to tightvnc at work etc?
[07:10] <Jucato> hi jordo23
[07:10] <Lega> Hmm... hmm. I have no clue.
[07:10] <rrbiz> someone know which one of those ugly gstreamer files is for MP3's ?
[07:10] <level1> jordo23: I donno, I use ssh for that stuff, am i'm not very good at it
[07:10] <jordo23> Jucato!!
[07:10] <Jucato> :)
[07:11] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you use vnc in Kubuntu?
[07:11] <Jucato> rrbiz: if you're on Kubuntu, using Amarok/Kaffeine with Xine, you don't need/want those gstreamer things
[07:11] <Jucato> jordo23: sorry, nope
[07:11] <intelikey> !info sshfs | jordo23 here's a thought,
[07:11] <ubotu> jordo23 here's a thought,: sshfs: filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6-1 (feisty), package size 29 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:11] <level1> naknomik: I don't know what the command is, but maybe "killall kicker && kicker"
[07:11] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, found my info
[07:11] <Jucato> level1: [13:10]  <Jucato> naknomik: Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:11] <jordo23> intelikey: Will look into it...thanks intelikey.....
[07:12] <jordo23> Talk to you all later.....
[07:12] <intelikey> jordo23 that will use public keys also
[07:12] <jordo23> going to bed.
[07:12] <Lega> Okay, everything is unmounted for now.
[07:12] <Jucato> night jordo23
[07:12] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, cool and know do you know at least the vendor of the motherboard?
[07:12] <jordo23> intelikey: will do....thanks.
[07:12] <Meowmixiscoo> nVidia
[07:12] <level1> Jucato: oops, missed that
[07:12] <intelikey> welcome
[07:12] <jordo23> Jucato: night...
[07:12] <naknomik> level1: I tried both none work. Kicker is gone after killall kicker, but running kicker again I get message that it's running already, when it is not.
[07:12] <level1> naknomik: oops
[07:12] <daSkreech> level1: They moved one thing from Konqueror!
[07:12] <rrbiz> Jucato: i'm using amarok, trying to stream the cool playlists, and keeps erroring out saying i have no demux for it, already dl gxine also and still no
[07:13] <Jucato> rrbiz: libxine-extracodecs
[07:13] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, not the graphixccardboard, the motherboard it should be at the top of lshw command, somethin like that:
[07:13] <emonkey>   *-core
[07:13] <emonkey>        description: Motherboard
[07:13] <emonkey>        product: 26478BG
[07:13] <emonkey>        vendor: IBM
[07:13] <level1> daSkreech: ?
[07:13] <naknomik> level1: OK, waiting for sometime and then running kicker again got me my kicker back.
[07:13] <Jucato> naknomik: the dcop command I gave didn't work?
[07:13] <daSkreech> rrbiz: just click on it again
[07:14] <daSkreech> rrbiz: I have no idea why it does that
[07:14] <naknomik> Jucato: no.
[07:14] <Meowmixiscoo> Product: OXH241 Vendor: Dell Inc.
[07:14] <level1> naknomik: actually, I had just that happen to me too today... funny that you can "killall" a program and it'll still take its sweet time
[07:14] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, hmk... some oem product I think... should be no problem. (in most cases)
[07:15] <intelikey> level1 use a higher priority signal
[07:15] <Lega> Arrrgh.
[07:15] <rrbiz> okay, already had libxine-extracodecs, now after i closed it out another time, it finally started streaming, cool thnx
[07:15] <intelikey> -6  -9  -15
[07:15] <rafael> why whenever i change settings they are never applied?
[07:15] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, one soltuion is maybe to deactivate the propritary driver and using the OSS driver
[07:15] <daSkreech> rrbiz: Yeah no idea
[07:15] <intelikey> progressive ^
[07:15] <rrbiz> yeah odd
[07:15] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, worth a shot. So... How would one go about doing that >.<
[07:15] <Lega> So any ideas or not really? I've learned a lot of things so far, at the least. :D
[07:15] <daSkreech> rrbiz: I just click it when the error comes up click it again
[07:16] <intelikey> Lega may i see the line that describes it in your fstab ?
[07:16] <daSkreech> Lega: give me the line  that you use to mount
[07:16] <daSkreech> Yeah that thing :)
[07:16] <Lega> Okay, the fstab line is as such:
[07:16] <Lega> "/dev/sda1	/mnt/harddrive	ntfs	defaults,users	0	0"
[07:16] <Lega> Er. Tabbing screws up.
[07:16] <Lega> One sec.
[07:16] <intelikey> ok. you need some masks
[07:17] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, to activate the OSS driver just edit "nvidia" to "nv" in the xorg.conf file. You've to edit with root privileges. use sudo vi of you know vi, otherwise open a root kate with kdesu kate
[07:17] <daSkreech> umask=0022
[07:17] <Lega> "/dev/sda1<tab>/mnt/harddrive<tab>ntfs<taB>defaults,users<tab>0<tab>0"
[07:17] <Lega> What is a mask?
[07:17] <intelikey> "/dev/sda1       /mnt/harddrive  ntfs    defaults,users,fmask=133,dmask=022,ro  0       0"
[07:17] <daSkreech> !umask
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <intelikey> if you are using the ntfs-3g driver or fuse  you can drop the ,ro
[07:18] <Lega> I know not what you speak of either in reference to ntfs-3g or fuse.
[07:18] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[07:18] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[07:19] <intelikey> !fuse
[07:19] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[07:19] <Lega> Interesting.
[07:19] <intelikey> that   ^    but
[07:19] <Lega> Far too over my head at the moment, though. :E
[07:19] <intelikey> just add the things i added and try it
[07:19] <Lega> Okay.
[07:19] <flake> anyone else having trouble installing nvidia 100.11.14 drivers?  I think it's trying to tell me I don't have a GPU but my card is in the supported list
[07:20] <Daisuke-Ido> what card?
[07:20] <Lega> Yessssssssssssssssss.
[07:21] <level1> flake: I expirienced random crashes and lockups with that version... your experience may vary
[07:21] <flake> 6800 GT
[07:21] <intelikey> it is read only.   that's for the fs's own good.
[07:21] <flake> or GTX maybe
[07:21] <Lega> Like magic, intelikey, like magic.
[07:21] <intelikey> it is read only.   that's for the fs's own good.
[07:21] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: why are you even trying to install those super-new drivers?
[07:21] <Lega> Right.
[07:21] <Daisuke-Ido> they offer you nothing.
[07:21] <flake> ok, i'll keep my 1.0.97
[07:21] <Lega> Oh... I need to copy something off of it.
[07:21] <level1> Daisuke-Ido: because new stuff is cool
[07:21] <Lega> Hmm. :E
[07:21] <flake> lol
[07:21] <Lega> I'm elated that I can get to it, though.
[07:21] <Meowmixiscoo> kate gives me an error: cannot connect to X server
[07:21] <Daisuke-Ido> nvidia-glx will work for you
[07:21] <Lega> Actually, I might not.
[07:21] <Meowmixiscoo> and I have no idea how to use vi
[07:21] <flake> cause it's supposedly the supported stuff
[07:21] <Lega> Thanks very much. :D
[07:22] <Daisuke-Ido> if you MUST, you can go with nividia-glx-new
[07:22] <intelikey> you're welcome
[07:22] <naknomik> What is the Dock Application Bar?
[07:22] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: installing the drivers from the site isn't supported, they're in the repositories.
[07:22] <Lega> If I would like to be able to copy something off of it, how many hoops would I need to jump through?
[07:22] <flake> ohh
[07:22] <daSkreech> Lega: Just copy
[07:22] <Lega> I can do that?
[07:22] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, any other ideas?
[07:22] <Lega> Cool.
[07:22] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: trust me, you will have a lot less headaches.
[07:23] <Lega> Man, I took so much for granted using windows. >.<
[07:23] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, do you know nano or another command line based editor?
[07:23] <Lega> Loving Kubuntu so far, though.
[07:23] <flake> I'm in that redhat mood I guess
[07:23] <Meowmixiscoo> nope, but I'm not put off to learning.
[07:23] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: understandable
[07:23] <daSkreech> Lega: I know :)
[07:23] <Lega> Oh, there is one more thing that is probably really quick, dealing with super karamba.
[07:23] <Lega> :D
[07:23] <Daisuke-Ido> most of what you'll ever need is in the repos (20k+ packages)
[07:24] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, and did you try K-Menue > rund command > kdesu kate?
[07:24] <level1> Meowmixiscoo: "editor" is pretty user freindly as command line editors go
[07:24] <Lega> I restarted kde using the ctrl+alt+backspace, and when I started everything back up, Tweaker Moniter in super karamba was missing.
[07:24] <flake> repo says I have it installed, which I did manually so I'm good I think
[07:24] <Meowmixiscoo> I don't have a gui. I'm having to run in the recovery mode
[07:24] <Lega> And when I went to reinstall it from the "get new things" button in Karamba, the install button was greyed out.
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: as long as you're using 'nvidia' in xorg.conf, you should be fine
[07:25] <Lega> I have no idea where the Tweak moniter is residing on my system, or how to get Karamba to recognize it again.
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> edit.exe
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> brings a tear to my eye every time
[07:25] <naknomik> What is Dock Application Bar?
[07:25] <intelikey> that's really starting to tic me off.
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> but then again, so does quickbasic
[07:26] <ScorpKing> hi dwidmann
[07:27] <Lega> Ah. Well, I'll fix that one another day.
[07:27] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, if you ant to try a command line editor try nano, vi or editor (thy level1 ), we'll help you using it
[07:27] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, I have nano up.
[07:27] <Lega> I'm off, many thanks for all your help intelikey and Skreech~
[07:27] <level1> don't forget emacs!
[07:27] <n8k99> no no forget emacs
[07:28] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, go down to the driver section and replace "nvidia" with "nv"
[07:28] <n8k99> <_<
[07:28] <intelikey> i'm thinking about changing OS's
[07:28] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, you're a couple steps ahead of me.
[07:28] <daSkreech> Vista!
[07:28] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, ok  tell where you are
[07:29] <intelikey> at least it's not bloated.
[07:29] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, ou of course you've to open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file first
[07:29] <emonkey> you can open it with nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:30] <intelikey> as root
[07:30] <djfito1> HOLA ALGUIEN DE MEXICO
[07:30] <intelikey> !es | djfito1
[07:30] <ubotu> djfito1: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:30] <mefisto__> or sudoedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:30] <djfito1> GRACIAS
[07:30] <flake> every time I reboot, I have 2 internal drives I have to give a password for before I can browse/use them on the system.
[07:31] <emonkey> mefisto__, intelikey would be grat if you can takeover Meowmixiscoo because I've to go to the university ...
[07:31] <intelikey> flake nice.  how did you set that up ?
[07:31] <flake> I don't remember, I know I used some gui tool called NTFS config tool
[07:32] <kirk> Hey everyone
[07:32] <intelikey> flake ah.  never seen that myself,  it's later than dapper
[07:32] <intelikey> kirk
[07:32] <flake> where can I find my 'mounts'
[07:33] <intelikey> command   mount
[07:33] <kirk> are you trying to add another hard drive?
[07:33] <daSkreech> flake: type mount
[07:33] <intelikey> df -h
[07:33] <intelikey> cat /proc/mounts
[07:33] <intelikey> cat /etc/mtab
[07:33] <intelikey> pick your take....
[07:33] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, if you have opened the file and edited like I'm wrote. save and close the file and do a normal reboot. hopefully it works. If there more problem, ask again in here. Unfortunately I've to go to university
[07:33] <flake> ahh
[07:34] <ScorpKing> flake: take a look at /etc/fstab as well, maybe there is some mount options there that cause that. not sure where you have to type the passwd.
[07:34] <Meowmixiscoo__> emonkey, modem died.
[07:34] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, have a good day and good luck with your driver problem.
[07:34] <Meowmixiscoo__> kk, thanks =]
[07:35] <emonkey> sorry but I really have to go know..
[07:35] <emonkey> bye
[07:35] <Meowmixiscoo__> Cya.
[07:35] <intelikey> C++ya
[07:35] <Meowmixiscoo__> lol
[07:35] <flake> I think I see now, I have to put the entry(s) from /etc/mounts into /etc/fstab
[07:35] <ScorpKing> no
[07:36] <ScorpKing> flake: where does it ask for the passwd?
[07:36] <flake> in a file window, right click and mount
[07:36] <intelikey> oh wait.  i know what it's doing.   it's asking for his user password because of sudo       duh
[07:36] <ScorpKing> :)
[07:37] <intelikey> yes putting entries in fstab will stop that.      if done correctly
[07:37] <flake> it lists the partition, when I try to view it it asks for password then changes to disk or disk1, etc
[07:37] <flake> and now I know how to rename my drive names too
[07:38] <ScorpKing> flake: can you pastebin the output from mount and /etc/fstab for us. :)
[07:38] <ScorpKing> mount the drives frist
[07:39] <Meowmixiscoo__> Ok, so, in xorg.conf what do I change to reset my graphic driver?
[07:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Any Gutsy testers around?  Just curious if the decision to have compiz enabled by default in 7.10 Ubuntu will also be in 7.10 Kubuntu.
[07:40] <intelikey> the line that says             Driver  "nv"      to  Driver "nvidia"       or what ever it is...
[07:40] <Meowmixiscoo__> it says Driver   "nvidia"
[07:40] <Meowmixiscoo__> which is the problem =P
[07:40] <intelikey> to "nv" then....
[07:41] <Meowmixiscoo__> Thanks.
    i can't stay connected long enough to help anyone, or even keep up with their issues.
[07:41] <Meowmixiscoo__> Is there a command to resrart my computer?
[07:41] <mefisto__> reboot?
[07:41] <mefisto__> sudo reboot
[07:41] <intelikey> yes but you probably only need to   init 2
[07:42] <Meowmixiscoo__> that was easy.
[07:42] <Jucato> sudo shutdown -r now
[07:42] <ScorpKing> or sudo init 6
[07:42] <Jucato> (the longest option :))
[07:42] <intelikey> no need to reboot    for xorg issues fellows
[07:42] <Meowmixiscoo__> I was running in recovery mode.
[07:42] <flake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37389/
[07:42] <intelikey> init 2
[07:43] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo__ like i said     init 2
[07:43] <bart_> hello all
[07:43] <bart_> I got a little problem
[07:43] <rafael> why in the hell kubuntu keeps saying that my video card is VESA and not a Geforce 7?
[07:43] <flake> hi bart_, whasssup
[07:43] <bart_> When I installed compiz I dont have a title bar anymore 0.o
[07:44] <bart_> I use Ubuntu
[07:44] <intelikey> bart_ that's normal
[07:44] <bart_> really?
[07:44] <bart_> how to get it back?
[07:44] <ScorpKing> flake: is sdb1 an internal drive?
[07:45] <intelikey> have  to ask someone else about that.     but i see that same complaint 100X/day
[07:45] <bart_> intelikey: How to get my title bar (with maximize minimize etc)
[07:45] <flake> yes
[07:45] <bart_> oh
[07:45] <bart_> well, I got it a thousand times
[07:45] <intelikey> :)
[07:45] <bart_> And never could solve it
[07:45] <ScorpKing> flake: install ntfs-3g
[07:45] <Daisuke-Ido> #ubuntu-effects is your best bet
[07:45] <mefisto__> rafael: I think that's pretty common when video is not fully and correctly configured
[07:45] <flake> I did, and I have ran it multiple times
[07:45] <tazgodx> bart_:
[07:45] <tazgodx> Try adding the following to the Device section in xorg.conf and see if it helps:
[07:45] <tazgodx> Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
[07:46] <intelikey> bart_ kde or gnome ?
[07:46] <bart_> ok
[07:46] <flake> I'll be ok with adding it to the fstab
[07:46] <bart_> just ubuntu feisty blahblah
[07:46] <intelikey> then gnome.    and i think you'll want the  #ubuntu  channel
[07:46] <bart_> ok
[07:47] <ScorpKing> flake: can't remember the options off hand. looking it up. one sec
[07:47] <bart_> first Il try taxgox
[07:47] <tazgodx> it was somthing similar to that, taht fixed mine
[07:47] <flake> but then I kinda like the added security
[07:48] <tazgodx> if that doesn't work just search the compiz forums for missing titlebar and you will see a bunch of posts
[07:48] <Meowmixiscoo__> *sigh* I'm just going to format and start over.
[07:48] <intelikey> flake you can 'rm /etc/fstab' if you like the added security of having to manually mount things....      ;/
[07:49] <daSkreech> intelikey: Umm how would he boot?
[07:49] <intelikey> fstab is not needed for boot up
[07:49] <bart_> nobody in the ubuntu channel seems to be active :)
[07:49] <rgrolemund> night peeps
[07:49] <flake> yes, i need to password protect my cdrom
[07:50] <daSkreech> intelikey: It makes it a lot nicer
[07:50] <flake> and floppy too
[07:50] <intelikey> daSkreech the root fs is mounted by the initramfs.img  while it still can't read the /etc/fstab
[07:50] <ScorpKing> flake: here it is - http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php
[07:50] <mefisto__> intelikey: no fstab would mean it would boot, but EVERYTHING would need to be mounted manually, right?
[07:50] <daSkreech> intelikey: I know that' or it wouldn't know where /etc is to find /etc/fstab
[07:51] <intelikey> circular reasoning to think that you need to read something on an fs to be able to mount the fs so you can read something on the fs
[07:51] <tazgodx> bart_: you should probably just read some forums for that problem, its an easy fix. quick compiz forum search for "missing title bar"
[07:51] <intelikey> mefisto__ everything except the root fs
[07:52] <mefisto__> intelikey: OK, makes sense. I was just wondering how you would have access to the mount cmds if the root fs was not mounted.
[07:52] <intelikey> same way you do now.
[07:53] <intelikey> it's in the initramfs.img
[07:53] <mefisto__> intelikey: and would the root fs be ro access without fstab?
[07:54] <intelikey> and for systems that don't depend on an initramfs.img  the kernel mounts the root fs according to the  "root=..."  part of the boot option.
[07:54] <intelikey> mefisto__ that would depend on your init scripts    chkroot.sh in particular
[07:54] <intelikey> that's normally where the root fs is remounted rw
[07:56] <intelikey> i ran this system without an fstab file for quite some time.   but i also wrote my own init /+scripts
[07:56] <daSkreech> I remember you doing that
[07:56] <mefisto__> intelikey: where is chkroot.sh? I can't locate it
[07:56] <intelikey> in /etc/init.d/
[07:57] <intelikey> should be.  may not have the .sh extention
[07:57] <intelikey> like i said i wrote my own.
[07:57] <intelikey> put me so far out of touch with default ubuntu i really can't say...
[07:58] <Souless> Can someone help me out with my monitor resolution?
[07:58] <Meowmixiscoo__> I give up. I swear my desktop PC is cursed.
[07:58] <mefisto__> intelikey: mine is checkroot.sh, not chkroot
[07:58] <intelikey> mefisto__ ah full spelling.   yeah that's it.
[07:59] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  whats wrong?
[07:59] <daSkreech> !resolution | Souless
[07:59] <ubotu> Souless: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:59] <Meowmixiscoo__> kkathman, I'm not even sure at this point.
[07:59] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  well, how about a list of things ?
[08:00] <intelikey> mefisto__ and let me guess it's bloated to cover every possable root drive/filesystem    correct ?   mine is like 9 lines long....    errr no that one has some special things in it,   29 lines.
[08:00] <Meowmixiscoo__> Diagnostic lights on my tower just flashed a generic error, Kubuntu wont start up. Reformatting just to see if my hardware might be the issue.
[08:01] <mefisto__> intelikey: mine is 410 lines
[08:01] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  hmm, well after formatting, try the ubuntu live disk first, that will detect any faulty or difficult hardware
[08:02] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  if the live disk comes up and performs ok, then try installation
[08:02] <mefisto__> Meowmixiscoo__: does livecd start?
[08:02] <kkathman> mefisto__:  thats what I just said :)
[08:02] <Meowmixiscoo__> Live disk starts, but it had some graphical issues until I started it in graphic safe mode.
[08:02] <mefisto__> kkathman: yeah I saw it after I typed
[08:02] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  what kind of issues?
[08:02] <intelikey> mine does the most basic testing.    fsck /dev/root && mount -o remount,rw / || {a failure function...}
[08:03] <Meowmixiscoo__> Rainbows, resolution looked like it wa about 5x larger than my screen.
[08:03] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  what kind of video card do you have?
[08:03] <Meowmixiscoo__> GeForce 6800
[08:03] <kkathman> wow that should be just fine, doesnt even need the newest driver :)
[08:04] <Meowmixiscoo__> Yeah =/
[08:04] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  what did you do in safe mode?
[08:05] <Meowmixiscoo__> Right now? I'm formatting and reinstalling Kubuntu.
[08:05] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  dont reinstall, until you resolve the live CD if possible
[08:06] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:   you dont have 2 monitors or anything like that?
[08:06] <Meowmixiscoo__> One Dell monitor.
[08:06] <kkathman> k
[08:09] <daSkreech> Koffee
[08:09] <daSkreech> With kaffiene :)
[08:09] <CoffeeThief> Hand it over.
[08:09] <ScorpKing> nope! i refuse.
[08:09] <CoffeeThief> =[ Dang.
[08:09] <ScorpKing> :/
[08:13] <ScorpKing> intelikey: how can i mount a encrypted disk at boot reading the password from a file on a usb disk?
[08:14] <intelikey> mefisto__ note.  that is non-generic.   i wouldn't advise anyone to just unpack that and without configuring it expect it to work on their box
[08:14] <intelikey> ScorpKing anything you can do from the command line you can do from an init script
[08:15] <intelikey> or should i say "anyting root can do, init can do."
[08:15] <intelikey> +1
[08:15] <ScorpKing> i know but i'm always having problems creating scripts. :)
[08:16] <intelikey> history -f ;start issuing the command needed ;exit and use the .bash_history file as the script
[08:17] <ScorpKing> and where do i add it to be auto? checkroot.sh?
[08:17] <Meowmixiscoo> Ok. Now that Kubuntu is working for me again, any suggestions on how not to screw things up?
[08:18] <ScorpKing> Meowmixiscoo: don't use anything sudo. lol
[08:18] <Meowmixiscoo> >.<
[08:18] <intelikey> ScorpKing /etc/rc.local   unless it needs to exec earily
[08:19] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo it works    if it asks for a password, don't run it...
[08:19] <intelikey> or remove your self from sudoers    that works too
[08:19] <Jucato> (specially if it says that intelikey is asking for it...)
[08:19] <ScorpKing> intelikey: it will just be to mount encrypted data drive eg, hdb on /mnt/data. that will do. thanks.
[08:19] <intelikey> here here
[08:20] <ScorpKing> lol
[08:20] <intelikey> ScorpKing welcome.
[08:20] <intelikey> and jucato is right
[08:20] <Jucato> hehe
[08:22] <intelikey> people in #bash say i can't script, (but my scripts always work for me)   and people in #*buntu say i can't fix a system   (but my system is working as i want)    and people in ##linux say i can't type....  errr i think they may be right...
[08:22] <Meowmixiscoo> lol
[08:22] <intelikey> :)
[08:22] <ScorpKing> haha
[08:24] <bart_> Here I am again
[08:24] <bart_> still got no title bar..
[08:24] <ScorpKing> intelikey: in rc.local it says - This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. - that means it will run after the system is up right? and how will i check an encrypted disk for errors at boot then?
[08:25] <intelikey> ScorpKing error checking should be done before mounting.
[08:25] <intelikey> ScorpKing you don't fsck a mounted fs.    try it and see.
[08:26] <ScorpKing> will that not mess up the encrypted data?
[08:26] <jussi01> anyone know how to get an arrow that goes from many bits into one for open office?
[08:26] <bart_> I dont have a title bar, this is my xorg.conf file: http://www.pastebin.ca/697066 what should I change?
[08:26] <intelikey> ScorpKing ummm  you are just outside my realm of exp there.
[08:26] <intelikey> encription...
[08:26] <bart_> #ubuntu
[08:27] <ScorpKing> lol. thanks anyway. will work on that...
[08:27] <intelikey> k
[08:27] <Meowmixiscoo> Haha.  :P
[08:30] <intelikey> not me.   i've been asleep now for three point two decades
[08:30] <Meowmixiscoo> Ok, so, should I attempt to update my gfx with the nvidia-glx under Adept?
[08:30] <ScorpKing> haha
[08:31] <Meowmixiscoo> Or just keep using the common?
[08:31] <ScorpKing> are you going to use sudo?
[08:31] <ScorpKing> :D
[08:31] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo if it aint broke .........
[08:31] <garfield> lol
[08:31] <bart_> I dont have a title bar, this is my xorg.conf file: http://www.pastebin.ca/697066 what should I change?
[08:31] <Meowmixiscoo> intelikey, true
[08:32] <intelikey> some body help bart_ .    with the compiz thingy
[08:32] <bart_> :)
[08:32] <intelikey> pointy clicky thingies anyway
[08:32] <ScorpKing> lol
[08:32] <intelikey> don't know why y'all bother.
[08:33] <Meowmixiscoo> So, suppose I'm going to attempt to get WoW to work. Any advice on that?
[08:33] <intelikey> pointy clicky thingies anyway
[08:33] <intelikey> don't know why y'all bother.
[08:33] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo ^
[08:33] <flaccid> man dapper sux
[08:34] <ScorpKing> Meowmixiscoo: try kdesu next time. :P
[08:34] <intelikey> with such fiddle faddle, and rigamaroe..
[08:34] <intelikey> flaccid welcome to my world.
[08:34] <jussi01> !nixternal | intelikey
[08:34] <ubotu> intelikey: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[08:35] <garfield> bart_: delet everything wa is befor # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[08:35] <intelikey> !botsnack | jussi01
[08:35] <ubotu> jussi01: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:35] <flaccid> i can't even install kubuntu-desktop with normal repos
[08:35] <bart_> I already got helped in the compiz-fusion channel now :)
[08:35] <bart_> they know the problem
[08:35] <flaccid> due to broken packages apparently
[08:36] <jussi01> flaccid: dist-upgrade
[08:36] <intelikey> flaccid was that a clean install of dapper ?
[08:36] <flaccid> ok i'll try a dist-upgrade on it
[08:36] <flaccid> don't know to be honest, its a friends online
[08:36] <intelikey> flaccid and do you have "main universe" for updates and security enabled ?
[08:36] <flaccid> there is nothing to dist-upgrade
[08:36] <flaccid> yeah its all enabled
[08:36] <garfield> flaccid: u still have the problems with broken packages?
[08:37] <flaccid> yes
[08:37] <intelikey> backports
[08:37] <garfield> adept keep telling u an error msg?
[08:37] <intelikey> turn backports off and try it.
[08:37] <flaccid> im using apt-get
[08:37] <flaccid> http://pastebin.ca/697080
[08:38] <jussi01> gah, i justneed a freaking arrow....grrr
[08:38] <flaccid> same thing
[08:39] <garfield> flaccid: if adept not running try sudo apt-get -f install
[08:39] <intelikey> flaccid lets see the sources.list
[08:39] <flaccid> i just think its funny how its a 'impossible situation' yet im using standard reos
[08:39] <flaccid> repos
[08:39] <flaccid> ok
[08:39] <intelikey> i am using dapper btw
[08:39] <flaccid> here is the sources. http://pastebin.ca/697085
[08:39] <garfield> or if it crash on u and says it's lock try ...
[08:40] <mefisto__> thanks intelikey. just saw that dcc. I'll take a look later, when I'm less busy
[08:40] <garfield> !aptfix | flaccid
[08:40] <ubotu> flaccid: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:40] <flaccid> yep you are the unforunate LTS helper here lol
[08:40] <flaccid> there is no lock garfield
[08:41] <baudthief> Is a 2.4GHz machine w/224MB of ram sufficient to run kubuntu as a samba server?
[08:41] <intelikey> flaccid no main in updates or security
[08:41] <baudthief> I mean, would it be a noticable performance difference from say, the same machine running windows
[08:41] <intelikey> flaccid as i said "<intelikey> flaccid and do you have "main universe" for updates and security enabled ?"
[08:41] <garfield> im not realy that good in linux it just that adept keep crashing on me since the new kernel apair so my problems was allways to corect adept
[08:42] <aftertaf> baudthief: if you want it as a server, dont start x.
[08:42] <flaccid> intelikey: i just went to source-o-matic and used the normal sources
[08:42] <intelikey> oh wait.
[08:42] <baudthief> aftertaf: so no pointy clicky server? :\
[08:42] <intelikey> i think i over looked them
[08:42] <baudthief> lol might just install debian then
[08:42] <flaccid> yeah
[08:42] <intelikey> yes you have then.
[08:43] <intelikey> ok    sudo apt-get update
[08:43] <jussi01> dammmit.... I need an arrow!!
[08:43] <garfield> Me shoot jussi01 with an arrow
[08:43] <garfield> :)
[08:43] <aftertaf> baudthief: but why not have an X and see...... Its not that memory intensive! maybe give it more ram, is all id say the processor is fine
[08:44] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah the list is updated
[08:44] <baudthief> aftertaf: Well I have this 2.4GHz celeron machine that keeps shutting down on its own lol (running debian) - I might hack the 512MB ram out of it, and install it in the 2.4GHz P4 and try ubuntu + x
[08:44] <intelikey> flaccid and    sudo apt-get clean      "assuming you don't need to keep the cached packages"
[08:45] <flaccid> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
[08:45] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:45] <flaccid> yeah tried that too
[08:45] <intelikey> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 dapper
[08:46] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in dapper
[08:46] <flaccid> it wants that
[08:46] <flaccid> somehow for adept which doesnt' exist
[08:46] <intelikey> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 breezy
[08:46] <flaccid> updates and main conflicting?
[08:46] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in feisty
[08:46] <intelikey> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 edgy
[08:46] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in edgy
[08:46] <jussi01> has anyone got ms office? go grab me an arrow? please?? the one that goes from manny bits into one...
[08:46] <intelikey> !find libapt-pkg-libc6
[08:47] <aftertaf> ram problem i think ... :)
[08:47] <ubotu> Found: apt
[08:47] <jussi01> flaccid: you could easy source a new sources list just to be sure...
[08:47] <intelikey> !find "libapt-pkg-libc6"
[08:47] <flaccid> jussi01: already done that..
[08:47] <jussi01> oh
[08:47] <jussi01> ok
[08:48] <flaccid> intelikey: its a bit weird yeah
[08:48] <intelikey> flaccid that is part of apt   libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11.0
[08:49] <flaccid> yes but it wants the package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
[08:49] <intelikey> flaccid sudo apt-get -d apt    and use dpkg to reinstall it
[08:49] <baudthief> forgot to ask lol - Is there a noticable performance difference between reading/writing to an NTFS drive than a native ext* drive?
[08:49] <flaccid> -d ?
[08:49] <baudthief> (wondering if I should 'convert' all the hdds in this machine from ntfs to ext)
[08:49] <intelikey> download only
[08:49] <intelikey> put's it in the cache dir
[08:50] <flaccid> invalid operation
[08:50] <jussi01> baudthief: If you can, do it, its much safer
[08:50] <intelikey> heh yeah  apt-get -d install apt
[08:50] <jussi01> ntfs still has some problems....
[08:50] <bart_> #beryl
[08:50] <flaccid> its already installed intelikey so can't d/l it again
[08:51] <baudthief> jussi01: no probs, are there any conversion tools? or should I move everything off the drives, format as ext3, then move everything back?
[08:51] <intelikey> yeah ya can.     sudo apt-get install -d --reinstall apt
[08:51] <jussi01> baudthief: the latter option
[08:51] <baudthief> done, thanks for your help!
[08:51] <flaccid> returns: Reinstallation of apt is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[08:52] <qmr> Hi, I'm using 704 and I can't get the openoffice quickstarter to work
[08:52] <qmr> it is set in OOo to be on, but it's not in my systray
[08:52] <intelikey> flaccid apt-get --version
[08:52] <qmr> wtf? :)
[08:53] <flaccid> apt <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu10 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 14 2007 17:43:24
[08:53] <intelikey> ?
[08:53] <intelikey> that's not dapper
[08:53] <intelikey> apt <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 for linux i386 compiled on Apr 18 2006 19:46:38
[08:53] <flaccid> what is it
[08:53] <intelikey> edgy maybe ???
[08:53] <flaccid> 1sec
[08:54] <intelikey> i'm all upto date  and that's my version ^
[08:54] <flaccid> ah, this dude accidently put feisty or edgy sources in the list once and so its like mixed now
[08:54] <flaccid> im going to dist-upgrade him to fiesty then
[08:54] <intelikey> yeah  he's not got dappere.
[08:54] <intelikey> dapper
[08:54] <intelikey> what kernel ?
[08:55] <flaccid> sorry about the time waster hey.
[08:55] <intelikey> 2.6.15-28 is dapper latest