[02:23] <bernardo> hi
[02:23] <bernardo> what's the difference between the 'lowlatency' and 'realtime' kernels?
[02:23] <bernardo> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[09:23] <vish> hi, a patch from fdo was cherry picked for Bug #507148 , but that patch causes Bug #652934 …  it turns out that the cherry-picked patch has now been updated and merged in mainline kernel.. we now need to revert old patch and use the updated the patch..
[09:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 507148 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 4 other projects) "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (affects: 8) (heat: 46)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/507148
[09:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652934 in linux (Ubuntu) "[RV515] Guest session causes screen to flicker violently and session is unusable (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652934
[09:41] <apw> vish got a reference to the updated patch?
[09:41] <vish> apw: last comment on Bug #652934 has the commit#
[09:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 652934 in linux (Ubuntu) "[RV515] Guest session causes screen to flicker violently and session is unusable (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652934
[09:43] <vish> apw: that was from https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26302 , they mentioned the commit#
[09:43] <ubot2> Freedesktop bug 26302 in Driver/Radeon "[M7 LW] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[09:45] <apw> vish so the fix releases on the flickering bug is not working for you?
[09:46] <apw> oh missread ignore that
[09:46] <vish> apw: yea, i dint have any problems earlier, it causes http://launchpadlibrarian.net/56913353/P1010994.MOV
[09:47] <rsajdok>
[09:47] <apw> vish which release are you testing on, mavierck?
[09:48] <vish> yup
[09:49] <vish> apw: i had this problem since lucid, but i was told there was a fix for the bug coming in the 'next' kernel update, but it turned out to never fix this issue.. so i had to install all the earlier kernels and test again..
[09:49] <AceLan_> vish: maverick already has 2b66b50b12cabc05f05543e792d4c9c2465d5702, so cherry one more commit 2b66b50b12cabc05f05543e792d4c9c2465d5702 can fix the problem?
[09:50] <vish> AceLan_: maybe... i'm not sure.. i just tested the kernels, dont know what each commit does.. :)
[09:53] <apw> AceLan_, there is a rumour the first commit was also updated
[09:57] <AceLan_> hmm
[09:59] <apw> vish so were you affected by the original bug
[09:59] <AceLan_> I can't see any difference between maverick and upstream kernel on the commit 1e4966cc558d6aac892abeed6434591348103dff and e376573f7267390f4e1bdc552564b6fb913bce76
[10:00] <vish> apw: i have an [RV515] which has the flickering problem, but no issue of running out of memory as in "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 "
[10:01] <vish> AceLan_: actually the patch landed in lucid..
[10:01] <apw> AceLan_, the fix which was applied though for that bug was 160ae3be8d42701afc19cf71d6e0d2c0a6160e82
[10:01] <vish> or i can also test .36 again for a couple more days and make [completely] sure it does not cause the problem..
[10:02] <AceLan_> vish: yes, that would be better
[10:03] <vish> AceLan_: sure..  .36 has an issue where X freezes at random, which sometimes prevents me from running a session continuously, hence the minor doubt..  will try again..
[10:03] <vish> a session == my user session
[10:04] <apw> AceLan_, well as things stands we have two commits in maverick which claim to fix the same issue
[10:04] <apw> and only one is upstream right now
[10:06] <AceLan_> apw: no, upstream containes two commit 2b66b50b12 and e376573f72, and in maverick only has e376573f72
[10:07] <apw> AceLan_, no maverick has two commits e376573f72 and 160ae3be8d42701afc19cf71d6e0d2c0a6160e82
[10:07] <apw> the second one where is the one which seems to ahve come from drm-next and looks like it may have been replaced by the first
[10:07] <apw> but we have bot
[10:07] <apw> both
[10:09] <apw> AceLan_, cirtainly we are alos missing the fix to the upstream fix
[10:10] <apw> the simplest solution is to revert the patch we are carrying and pull in the retry fix, and get both sets of people to test the result; /me does that
[10:15] <AceLan_> apw: yes, upstream kernel doesn't have 160ae3be, so remove it should be okay, but I think 2b66b50b12 is important to e376573f72
[10:21]  * AceLan_ dinner&
[10:22] <apw> AceLan_, right indeed i concur with that analysis and is what i am building as a test kernel
[10:44] <AceLan_> apw: cool
[13:24] <Velmont> Some time ago, I saw some patches to make filesystems with UNIX rights able to mount WITHOUT any of those rights. I'm using Ext4 and HFSplus for two external drives, and I don't like that I need to be root in order to use them (because the user ids are different on diff computers). Also; I could just a+rwx everything, but a) it looks ugly (not important :P) b) more importantly, I very often forget, because it's not too easy to remember.
[13:25] <Velmont> Any chance a change like that will be carried by Ubuntu? IIRC the discussion on LKML just died out, some against some for. Can't find the thread right now.
[14:19] <apw> Velmont, i recall it being discussed but i do not recall anything coming of it
[14:20] <Velmont> apw: Yes, just like the LKML-thread.
[14:20] <apw> there is often a feeling expressed that the consumer should not be doing that
[14:21] <Velmont> Using those filesystems?
[14:21] <apw> basically yes, though i can see why one might want to
[14:22] <apw> the resolution i think was a generic uid mapping layer, but i don't think anyone did anything towards it
[14:22] <Velmont> Mm. It's because vfat is not there at all, doesn't play well with big files (which is what I do (video)). And NTFS doesn't "just work" in the same way, -- also NTFS also has such file attributes, so that doesn't help :-)
[19:15] <apw> hrm X just dumped something into the kernel which it did _not_ like, boom
[20:04]  * ogra_ac bets apw just forgot to modprobe unity :P
[20:09] <apw> ogra_ac, its more likely i _did_ modprobe unity :)
[20:15] <ogra_ac> heh
[20:47] <Darxus> Has there been any discussion of including the "automated per tty task groups" patch in natty?  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video
[22:59] <RAOF> Darxus: That patch has already gone in.
[23:00] <Darxus> RAOF: Saw that on the list.  That's great.  Thanks.


[12:30] <Elpram> well im just going into my second year in computer science
[12:30] <Elpram> so i dont have any projects that ive worked on besides programming assignments
[12:31] <Elpram> but im familiar with python, java, C, and bash, and can pick up any other language as needed
[12:31] <asac> cool
[12:31] <asac> so you are interested in real-development vs. packaging?
[12:32] <Elpram> im going to go with real-development because im not entirely sure what you mean by packaging
[12:32] <asac> :)
[12:32] <asac> packaging needs development too ... but its nothiner that is usually visible in the application itself
[12:32] <Elpram> ah, i see
[12:32] <asac> ok
[12:32] <Elpram> and what would that consist of
[12:33] <asac> we have multiple things going on that are important and need coding :)
[12:33] <Elpram> id just like to be put where i can be of use
[12:33] <Elpram> ah, this is good news
[12:33] <Elpram> any language of preference?
[12:33] <asac> we have a python thing:
[12:34] <Elpram> i just downloaded SPE if that is of any use
[12:34] <asac> its about firefox-distro-addons ... which will allow us to integrate debian packages into the mozilla plugin wizard
[12:34] <asac> for that we have to create a database that contains plugin package information
[12:35] <asac> its basically a small program on its own ... and should be fairly simple
[12:35] <asac> i already have some code ...
[12:35] <Elpram> so basically something like synaptic, but for mozilla plugins?
[12:36] <asac> hmmm ... do you know the mozilla plugin wizard?
[12:36] <Elpram> fraid not
[12:36] <asac> firefox plugin wizard
[12:36] <asac> if you miss a plugin for some content you get an area with a puzzle piece in the webpage ... you saw that?
[12:37] <Elpram> oh
[12:37] <Elpram> righto
[12:37] <Elpram> yeah, ive noticed it tends to not find anything :P
[12:37] <asac> yes ... if you click on it ... firefox opens a plugin wizard ... one component invokes a webservice
[12:37] <Elpram> right
[12:37] <asac> that brings info of what extensions can be installed from where
[12:37] <asac> to serve that content
[12:37] <Elpram> alright
[12:37] <asac> now ... it doesn't work with packages
[12:37] <Elpram> ah
[12:38] <asac> e.g. people will install plugins from upstream sites
[12:38] <Elpram> so it just works with like a file somewhere
[12:38] <Elpram> or it just directs to an url
[12:38] <asac> basically ... its a database on the webserver site
[12:38] <asac> and firefox submits info like version, architecture, et al
[12:38] <asac> the webservice returns xml with info
[12:38] <Elpram> k
[12:39] <asac> i have someone who wants to work on that webservice ... but in order to start with it, we need a database
[12:39] <asac> that contains the info
[12:39] <asac> now ... we already uploaded packages that have that kind of meta information in their package description
[12:39] <Elpram> k
[12:39] <asac> the task is to build a program that iterates through all packages and extracts that information ...
[12:39] <Elpram> and sends it to the database
[12:40] <asac> then it would either inject that data to the datbase directly, or sends out sql commands to console
[12:40] <Elpram> k
[12:40] <asac> right ... the latter would allow you to use command line tools to fill database
[12:40] <Elpram> sounds doable
[12:40] <asac> yeah wait
[12:40] <Elpram> k
[12:40] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/npp_cache_dump.py
[12:40] <asac> that is almost ready ;)
[12:40] <asac> but it needs some care
[12:41] <asac> ok .. i have taken care that the python api for apt/dpkg has been improved for our purpose
[12:41] <Elpram> alright
[12:41] <asac> you see the file
[12:41] <asac> ?
[12:41] <Elpram> got it d/led
[12:42] <asac> do you know how debian package information looks like?
[12:42] <Elpram> havent the faintest clue
[12:42] <asac> ok its simple
[12:42] <asac> wait
[12:43] <Elpram> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html
[12:44] <Elpram> would that be a good way to learn?
[12:45] <asac> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~asac/firefox/ubuntu-2.0.0.x/annotate/asac%40jwsdot.com-20070719095124-di7t53q98djslrg4?file_id=control-20070321172126-hx4btlytc64jyo4n-4
[12:45] <asac> look at that
[12:45] <asac> just the first 20 lines
[12:45] <asac> its the package description ... contains name of source ... and binary files .. description and dependenceies
[12:45] <asac> et al
[12:45] <asac> ok
[12:45] <asac> always just a Tagname: some-content-like-name-or-description
[12:46] <asac> its not really important
[12:46] <Elpram> right
[12:46] <asac> but now we do add Extended headers to add meta info about plugins, like what content/mime-type they serve:
[12:46] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8309042/sun-java5.debdiff
[12:46] <asac> thats the update for sun that hjmf prepared
[12:47] <Elpram> k
[12:47] <asac> ok ... if you look back at code you see that its basically a simple for loop
[12:47] <asac> for pkg in cache: ...
[12:47] <asac> it iterates through all packages
[12:47] <Elpram> right
[12:48] <Elpram> we want the meta data for every single package?
[12:48] <asac> then you see how it extracts the content of those headers
[12:48] <asac> yes ...
[12:48] <asac> most packages don't have any
[12:48] <asac> only plugins
[12:48] <Elpram> ah
[12:48] <Elpram> k
[12:48] <asac> but you have to iterate through all
[12:48] <asac> to find
[12:48] <Elpram> right
[12:48] <asac> ok ... that info needs to go to a datbase
[12:49] <asac> that is what dump_combination on top does
[12:49] <asac> and you see that i dump a db entry for each mime_type + app_id combination
[12:49] <Elpram> yup
[12:49] <asac> because each plugin can serve N mime-types and app-ids
[12:49] <asac> ok
[12:50] <Elpram> so
[12:50] <asac> ok ... its almost done ... however
[12:50] <Elpram> whats left to code in this script
[12:50] <asac> there is a tricky thing missing
[12:50] <asac> ;)
[12:50] <Elpram> hehe
[12:50] <Elpram> oh course
[12:50] <Elpram> of*
[12:50] <asac> all starts with cache = Cache()
[12:50] <asac> you see that?
[12:50] <Elpram> right
[12:51] <asac> yes ... thats bad because it uses the apt info that is in your computer apt cache
[12:51] <Elpram> which can be out of date
[12:51] <asac> which means: you only see packages for the architecture you are on
[12:51] <asac> ... yes and to update it you need root access
[12:51] <Elpram> that too
[12:51] <Elpram> suck
[12:51] <asac> yeah ... but you can provide a path to Cache
[12:51] <asac> look in the API
[12:52] <asac> its /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt
[12:53] <asac> the constructor impl of Cache: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/157137
[12:53] <asac> you see you can pass a rootdir
[12:54] <asac> a few lines below you see that it looks for /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:54] <asac> beneath that rootdir
[12:54] <asac> ok ... work needed is:
[12:55] <asac> download Packages files for all architectures
[12:55] <asac> put them somewhere beneath /var ... look in the cache.py code to see where
[12:55] <asac> and run the current script on them :)
[12:56] <Elpram> uh
[12:56] <Elpram> question
[12:56] <asac> yeah
[12:56] <asac> go ahead
[12:56] <Elpram> how much space will that take up?
[12:56] <asac> was too fast i guess ;)
[12:56] <asac> doesn't matter
[12:56] <Elpram> well no, i only have 2gb free here ;P
[12:56] <asac> for now we don't have that many plugin packages
[12:56] <asac> yeah that is much moire than you need
[12:56] <Elpram> ah
[12:56] <Elpram> oh right
[12:56] <Elpram> its just the package files
[12:56] <Elpram> not the files themselves
[12:56] <Elpram> sorry
[12:56] <asac> you need maybe 10 Packages files that are each max. 6mb
[12:56] <Elpram> blonde moment
[12:56] <asac> the datbase is small
[12:57] <asac> yes
[12:57] <asac> just the Packages file
[12:57] <Elpram> okay
[12:57] <Elpram> so
[12:57] <Elpram> i understand what needs to be done
[12:57] <Elpram> can i do it
[12:57] <Elpram> right now
[12:57] <Elpram> no
[12:57] <Elpram> but i will teach myself
[12:57] <Elpram> so dont expect it tomorrow
[12:57] <Elpram> but ill figure it out
[12:57] <asac> yeah ... just do a basic implementation first
[12:57] <asac> can be rudimentary
[12:58] <asac> sure ;)
[12:58] <asac> would be great
[12:58] <Elpram> any deadline on this?
[12:58] <asac> yeah ;)
[12:58] <asac> yesterday
[12:58] <Elpram> haha
[12:58] <Elpram> good
[12:58] <asac> no ...
[12:58] <asac> the sooner the better
[12:58] <Elpram> k
[12:58] <Elpram> ill get right on it
[12:59] <Elpram> thanks a bunch
[12:59] <Elpram> gotta get some supper
[12:59] <asac> yeah ...
[12:59] <asac> thanks
[12:59] <asac> if you need info ... let me know :)
[12:59] <Elpram> will do
[12:59] <Elpram> thanks
[12:59] <Elpram> cya
[07:43] <hjmf> morning
[07:59] <hjmf> hmm, trying to reproduce bug 126917 would be hard
[07:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126917 in firefox "With many tabs open, requesting print preview causes instant crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126917
[08:01] <hjmf> The provided test case states: ...main window has 176 tabs open... [...]  ... tab 173 is two pages long....
[08:02] <hjmf> if main window has 176 tabs open, might mean that could be other "no main window" firefox windows with a similar number of tabs opened...
[08:02] <hjmf> crazy
[08:03] <hjmf> rofl :D
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> there is no need for that many tabs
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> it ends up destroying the need for tabbed browsing
[08:04] <hjmf> yeah, the max number of tabs  I ever had open it might be less than 20
[08:04] <hjmf> you can get lost with that number
[08:04] <hjmf> :)
[08:05] <hjmf> the reporter easily can provoke a DoS on the whole internet if he continues doing that :) j/k
[08:05] <Admiral_Chicago> i usually do like 6 browsing for email and the like and another window for work
[08:06] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, he'll netsplit the internet
[08:06] <hjmf> also he states that if he tries to RESTORE that damn session the crash happens again
[08:06] <hjmf> crazy
[08:06] <hjmf> :)
[08:09] <hjmf> I'm off for now
[08:09] <hjmf> cy Admiral_Chicago
[08:11] <Admiral_Chicago> bye hjmf
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> ondra_AllPeers: welcome back
[09:10] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, that is a great application the team is developing
[03:13] <lu> hi
[03:14] <lu> someone helpme to see qt in firefox on ubuntu 7.04 ?
[03:14] <lu> sorry for my english , i'm italian
[04:02] <asac> ondra_AllPeers: ping
[04:02] <asac> ondra_AllPeers: you are all peers dev right?
[04:02] <asac> ondra_AllPeers: in latest gutsy we ship compatibility links for libnspr and libss
[04:03] <asac> so you don't need to link those in statically
[04:39] <ondra_AllPeers> asac: back
[12:20] <Admiral_laptop> hmm, looks like bug 127235 is a problem
[12:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127235 in firefox "All Add-ons are broken after <IP_ADDRESS> upgrade" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127235


[17:40] <amirman> 9 people :( no topic?
[17:40] <amirman> do any of you use a dell with the mediadirect button?
[21:29] <pwnguin> amirman: there is a topic
[21:29] <pwnguin> http://youtube.com/watch?v=4BRI0NtQ1DU
[21:29] <pwnguin> doh
[21:29] <pwnguin> Topic for #ubuntu-laptop: Welcome to the Ubuntu Laptop Team | This is  not for support, please use #ubuntu


[19:29] <YoBoY> hi
[19:30] <YoBoY> stupid question: why the po files of the precise ubuntu server guide are not updated ?
[19:42] <jbicha> YoBoY: since the server guide is not distributed as an Ubuntu package but just on help.ubuntu.com, we don't really post the translated version
[19:43] <jbicha> someone needs to set it up like the desktop guide online and then there will be a point to translating it
[19:44] <YoBoY> it is already being translated… the quantal version have the po files up to date
[19:44] <YoBoY> and some crazy locoteams put it online too http://guide.ubuntu-fr.org/server/
[19:54] <jbicha> could you send another email to the list?
[19:55] <YoBoY> Perhaps it's better to open a bug on the project
[19:55] <YoBoY> ?
[19:56] <jbicha> sure you could do that too, personally I think I'd see a mailing list post easier (I'm subscribed to too much LP bug email)
[19:57] <YoBoY> I can do both ^^
[19:57] <YoBoY> Do I have to register to the ML to post on it ?
[20:09] <YoBoY> done and done :)
[20:33] <jbicha> yes if you want to skip the moderation queue
[20:39] <YoBoY> already too much suscribed mailing lists :] I've taken the moderation queue option :)


 :P
[09:31] <ikonia>  /ignore jussi
[09:31] <ikonia> see, exactly as I said
[09:31] <jussi> ikonia: Ubuntu TV isnt silence - weekly news about that...
[09:32] <jussi> Wayland they have been talking about recently.
[09:32] <ikonia> jussi: anything changed......
[09:33] <chu> I somewhat understand that they want to hone their development in on one specific area, rather than spreading it out over a few - and perhaps their approach in this sense, handing the project to the community and then washing their hands of it - is not a wise decision, but it is somewhat necessary for them to focus only on the one desktop environment.
[09:34] <jussi> ikonia: for example, you can see the current ssues with UTV here: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuTV-Issues
[09:34] <ikonia> jussi: I was unware of that link (I'll have a look) I was probably unaware of it because the main page that's not changed for 9 months doesn't say anything about it
[09:35] <jussi> ahh yeah, if you were on the ML you would have seen some of the stuff going on
[09:36] <jussi> the phone is very quiet though
[09:37] <ikonia> in fairness to my comment,s I'm not "interested enough" to join the mailing lists, so I am aware that there is probably more, but the comment was about public availability of information
[09:38] <jussi> ikonia: so I guess you are basically complaining about the wiki page not being updated (in this case)
[09:38] <ikonia> not just the wiki
[09:39] <ikonia> but yeah, thats a factor
[09:39] <ikonia> "check out this stuff, ask questions...."
[09:39] <ikonia> but then nothing
[09:41] <jussi> ikonia: this hasnt been updated for a while (since uds) but this guy has been doing a bunch of work on the tv stuff: http://www.doadjustyourset.com/
[09:43] <ikonia> that would be nice to see on an ubuntu/canonical source to show how it's going
[09:43] <ikonia> or a "blog" in this style from caonical
[09:43] <ikonia> canonical
[09:43] <jussi> (he has been sick or otherwise occupied, was something on the ml about it)
[09:44] <IdleOne> I think the point is that canonical makes these nice web pages and then there is nothing added to them. also how is someone interested going to find http://www.doadjustyourset.com/ on his own
[09:44] <IdleOne> I mean seriously, how am I as a regular user supposed to make a link between that site and Canonical
[18:30] <AlanBell> I don't think you are as a regular user
[18:31] <AlanBell> it is a blog with some random notes and articles by the team, it could be on planet.ubuntu.com if they are members, or the canonical voices planet
[18:53] <popey> why should it be a canonical source?
[18:54] <popey> I thought people wanted more community involvement, not less :)
[18:54] <popey> also, that url is in the /topic of the "official" #ubuntu-tv irc channel
[19:16] <IdleOne> popey: community involvement still needs direction. especially on projects that very little info has been given about
[19:21] <popey> yes, and the people who are involved are giving direction
[19:21] <popey> ask the guy doing most of the community work on ubuntu tv if he gets help from the canonical guys
[19:22] <popey> Will Cooke setup donotadjustyourset specifically to improve communication
[19:24] <IdleOne> I don't know if he does, I would assume that if he asks, they will help. For me it is more frustration on learning of this really cool idea like Ubuntu TV or Ubuntu for Android, and then not hearing anything else about it for months.
[19:25] <popey> no, I'm saying _ask_ him
[19:25] <popey> you don't know if he does because you haven't asked him yet :)
[19:26] <popey> he gets guidance from people in canonical, we tell him what we're doing (where we can) and he knows which developers to poke to get info
[19:26] <popey> I'm sure it's not perfect, but it's better than no info at all
[19:26] <popey> nothing has happened with UfA which is worth talking about as far as I know
[19:26] <popey> if there was something we'd have announced it
[19:29] <IdleOne> Yeah but it was announced early to the public when there really wasn't much to announce, sparked some interest and then that interest fizzled due to lack of information for the public.
[19:30] <AlanBell> UfA was announced early to the OEMs, just it was an unusually open announcment and the public saw it as well
[19:33] <IdleOne> Well, I am patiently waiting for a OEM to announce a release of UfA so I can go buy one.
[19:34] <AlanBell> me too
[19:34] <IdleOne> I can be patient because I understand that these things take time. As a regular Joe on the street. I would have already bought something else, because UfA fell off the radar.
[19:38] <AlanBell> yeah, it was an interesting strategy to do it like that. I guess the public noise about it was to get the attention of the OEMs
[19:43] <k1l> im waiting UfA, too. but brought a nexus4 for the meantime :)
[19:53] <popey> well, you kinda have to be public when it's at CES
[19:53] <popey> and you have to be at CES if you want the attention of cellphone / SoC vendors
[19:57] <popey> Also remember that Mark and Rick have both said repeatedly, publicly that the goal is to have Ubuntu on phones, tablets etc by 14.04
[19:57] <popey> we're some way off that :)
[19:59] <popey> although it's coming up fast!
[20:13] <guntbert> I am getting more and more disappointed about the "official" ubuntu documentation - just have a look at   https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/ (mind how URL and content don't match at all)
[20:13] <guntbert> further question: should a bug about this really be filed against the "Ubuntu installation-guide  package"?
[21:11] <AlanBell> has one been so filed?
[21:13] <guntbert> AlanBell: not yet, but I am in doubt if that would be appropriate - what do you say about that page?
[21:16] <IdleOne> The information appears to be accurate
[21:19] <sepisoad> ubuntu1 client is damn too much ugly ... vomit
[21:20] <guntbert> IdleOne: are you replying to me?
[21:21] <IdleOne> guntbert: yes, aside from it possibly being confusing to the user, the screen shots look correct
[21:22] <guntbert> IdleOne: screen shot? what screenshot? I was talking about https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide/ (mind how URL and content don't match at all)
[21:23] <IdleOne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall looks to be close enough to what it would look like in 12.10 install process
[21:23] <guntbert> and there isn't an alternate CD anymore
[21:24] <IdleOne> 12.04 doesn't have an alternate iso?
[21:24] <guntbert> IdleOne: I am not talking about the link "graphical install", I am talking about a page in teh 12.10 install guide
[21:25] <guntbert> *the
[21:25] <guntbert> 12.10 !
[21:25] <IdleOne> Then I am not sure exactly what it is you see as a problem
[21:25] <TheLordOfTime> IdleOne, i think he's saying that the data in the page at help.ubuntu.com/12.10/installation-guide states there is an alternate ISO
[21:26] <TheLordOfTime> while there isn't.
[21:26] <guntbert> IdleOne: the page is accessed as part of the 12.10 install guide, has "Installing Ubuntu 12.10 from the Alternate CD" as content...
[21:26] <TheLordOfTime> alternate ISO for 12.10 that is
[21:26] <IdleOne> I see. then the page needs to be edited to be more precise
[21:27] <TheLordOfTime> which is what guntbert was asking about: should a bug be filed about it against the installation-guide package.
[21:27]  * TheLordOfTime returns to lurkmode
[21:27] <guntbert> IdleOne: it needs heavy editing - the links are pointing to the 12.04 guide
[21:28] <guntbert> TheLordOfTime: mainly yes, but i was in ranting mode too, I have to admit
[21:28] <IdleOne> file a bug, the worst that happens is the bug is marked invalid if the package maintainer feels it is correct. The best, they fix it :)
 I am kind of tired filing doc bugs - the one thing that happens with most of them: nothing at all </rant>
[21:42] <guntbert> bug filed (Bug #1090567), might someone care to confirm it?
[21:43] <IdleOne> done
[21:44] <guntbert> thx :)
[21:51] <guntbert> IdleOne: not to keep on ranting, but the last bug I filed against installation-guide (Bug #1090567, in May) is still *new* without one single activity, so I don't expect too much :-)
[21:52] <guntbert> wrong bug number
[21:52] <guntbert> it was actually Bug #1000354


[08:50] <AskUbuntu> How to get a juju charm's parameters | http://askubuntu.com/q/354747
[11:14] <jamespage> jcastro, marcoceppi: do you know if its possible to make the juju-gui display icons for locally launched charms?
[11:14] <jamespage> trying to make my demo for ceph day on Wednesday look good
[11:29] <rick_h_> jamespage: no, it's hard coded logic that only the promulgated charms in the store get their icons displayed
[11:29] <jamespage> rick_h_, anyway I can hack that locally?
[11:29] <rick_h_> jamespage: the only way to force that would be to run a local charm store and ingest your local charms, force them to be promulgated in the charmworld db
[11:30] <rick_h_> jamespage: might file a bug for demo purposes of adding a feature flag that's "display all icons" since the logic is in the client side code of the gui
[11:30] <rick_h_> I *think* we could still do that, but not 100% sure off the top of my head
[11:31] <rick_h_> jamespage: but even then, we don't have access to the icon files for locally deployed charms. Juju doesn't send that data to the gui
[11:31] <rick_h_> jamespage: so they still have to be in a running charmworld instance, they just don't have to be promulgated at that point
[11:33] <jamespage> rick_h_, ah - I see
[13:21] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: is there any documentation on "setting up your own charmworld"?
[13:21] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: there's a charmworld charm?
[13:21] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: with a readme on setting it up?
[13:22] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: there's also the docs in the charmworld source tree for hacking purposes. Mirrored to RTD http://charmworld.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
[13:22] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: thanks!
[13:23] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: wait, charmworld != charmstore, is it?
[13:23] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: no, not really. People refer to it that way sometimes. charmstore is a confusing mess
[13:23] <rick_h_> charmworld == manage.jujucharms.com which ingests from LP + juju-core charm store
[13:24] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: yeah, so there are no real docs on running your own charm store are there?
[13:24] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: the juju-core one? no idea. Never thought to try it or look
[13:25] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: there's this in the docs, which makes me think you_can_ but I've not seen any way how to https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-deploying.html
[13:25] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: under "changing the defaults"
[13:26] <rick_h_> interesting
[13:26]  * marcoceppi rumages around
[13:55] <jcastro> man, the incoming queue is crushing us
[13:55] <jcastro> marcoceppi: paul c submitted sensu server and agent!
[14:04] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I've got time today to tend to the queue, since we're post-release for stuff
[14:09] <jcastro> marcoceppi: can you do logstash/kibana first?
[14:09] <jcastro> then the sensu stuff?
[14:11] <marcoceppi> jcastro: ack
[14:12] <jcastro> arosales: out of curiosity I brought up our planning/BP problem to jono as we were talking on Friday
[14:13] <jcastro> and I tossed out "we could just toss everything out and start from scratch"
[14:13] <jcastro> and he heavily +1ed
[14:13] <jcastro> so, that means I don't have baggage if you don't want to for this next cycle
[14:33] <jamespage> jcastro, sorry - I managed todo zero review last week
[14:33] <jamespage> work is a bit crazy right now
[14:33] <jamespage> I owe dholbach the same apology
[14:44] <adeuring> marcoceppi: could you have a look at my MP?
[14:44] <marcoceppi> adeuring: yeah, can do
[14:45] <adeuring> marcoceppi: thanks!
[15:07] <sinzui> charmers, a new manage.charmworld.com is being built on gojuju. We are dumping the db to get a copy of featured and qa collections. Any changes you make between now and probably tomorrow will be lost. Do you need to feature any charms or QA any charms in the next 24 hours?
[15:09] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: ^^ since you were talking about hitting the queue
[15:10] <marcoceppi> sinzui rick_h_ we won't be doing any features, this won't affect charm promulgation, etc, correct?
[15:10] <sinzui> correct marcoceppi
[15:10] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: no, ingest should catch/keep up with that fine.
[16:12] <jcastro> jamespage: yeah, I should have not scheduled you on review so close to release, that was my bad.
[18:44] <sconklin> I'm unable to bootstrap the juju environment on my raring maas server. Best I can tell from searching, it's because all my nodes are "allocated to root", and not "ready". How can I return them to ready status?
[19:33] <adam_g> anyone aware of any common issues wrt ssh key auth not working for local containers?
[19:33] <rick_h_> adam_g: yea, the username is ubuntu and juju ssh doesn't seem to work. A manual ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will work
[19:34] <adam_g> rick_h_, yeah, still no luck tho
[19:34] <rick_h_> adam_g: oh, in that case no. Not seen that
[19:47] <kurt_> jamespage: in thinking through further about our discussion a few weeks ago about consolidation of charms.  Is it unwise to colocate the quantum-gateway with any other charms?
[19:53] <kurt_> Here is the layout I'm think of.  If anyone else has comments on why they think it wouldn't work or a better way to consolidate, please chime in.
[19:53] <kurt_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6206435/
[19:53] <kurt_> let me repast that in to pastebin
[19:54] <kurt_> There we go: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6206449/
[20:10] <kurt_> Comments anyone? :)
[21:02] <_mup_> Bug #1236590 was filed: juju destroy-machine leaves orphaned security groups <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236590>
[21:20] <jamespage> kurt_, hey
[21:20] <kurt_> jamespage: hi - I think I can consolidate even further
[21:21] <jamespage> kurt_, most likely; I've just re-deployed one of our internal test environments using MAAS and the LXC containers feature in 1.14.1
[21:22] <kurt_> jamespage: I've not played with lxc yet, but have gotten fair without needing it.
[21:22] <kurt_> as long as I stick to the rules you laid out before
[21:22] <jamespage> machine 0 runs pretty much everything that can be containerized; mysql, rabbit, cinder, glance, nova-cloud-controller, swift-proxy and keystone
[21:22] <jamespage> with quantum-gateway running alongside the juju bootstrap node on the bare metal
[21:22] <kurt_> but cinder and glance will conflict, right?
[21:22] <kurt_> outside of a container
[21:23] <jamespage> kurt_, not under LXC - all services have their own filesystem and network namespaces
[21:23] <kurt_> and without lxc? there's a problem, right?
[21:23] <jamespage> oh - and the dashboard (under lxc that is)
[21:23] <jamespage> kurt_, yup
[21:24] <_mup_> Bug #1236598 was filed: Machine stuck in juju status if the machine doesn't start <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236598>
[21:24] <kurt_> ok, if I first want to try this out without, give me a sec and I will paste bin you my proposed layout
[21:26] <kurt_> jamespage: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6206818/
[21:26] <kurt_> the only thing I really have concerns about is co-locating quantum-gateway on cloud-controller
[21:27] <kurt_> and remember this is really all on VMs
[21:27] <kurt_> (not that that matters)
[21:29] <jamespage> kurt_, just to give you an idea of what I am doing - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6206832/
[21:29] <jamespage> kurt_, the quantum gateway writes /etc/nova/nova.conf so will conflict with the cloud controller charm
[21:30] <kurt_> Ok, so is there a good candidate otherwise, or should it go to its own node?
[21:31] <jamespage> kurt_, if you are not using containers - its own node
[21:31] <jamespage> kurt_, but adding containers is easy
[21:31] <jamespage> juju add-machine lxc:0
[21:31] <jamespage> adds a new lxc container to machine 0
[21:31] <jamespage> which you can then "juju deploy --to 0/lxc/0 mysql"
[21:32] <kurt_> nice.  But there are still some deployment issues for containers, right?
[21:33] <kurt_> My strategy was to get everything working on regular VMs first, then dive in to containers.  :)
[21:33] <kurt_> I'm about half way through blogging it all.
[21:40] <kurt_> jamespage: thanks for the intro on containers.  I will check it out.  I appreciate the feedback.
[21:40] <jamespage> kurt_, with maas containers are OK
[21:40] <jamespage> should get even better with 1.16.1
[21:41] <adam_g> anyone know the correct way to inspect logs /w juju <IP_ADDRESS>? i apparently missed the memo
[21:42] <jamespage> adam_g, urgh
[21:42] <jamespage> adam_g, no idea on that one
[21:42] <jamespage> adam_g, but I just figured out why juju-core does not like talking to the compute api from within serverstack
[21:43] <jamespage> its not dealing with packet fragmentation well
[21:43] <jamespage> ip link set eth0 mtu 1546
[21:43] <jamespage> and everything comes alive again!
[21:43] <adam_g> jamespage, hmph
[21:43] <sarnold> kurt_: oh cool, where can I find the blog post(s?) when you're done? I want to be better at juju and it'd be nice to learn from your experience -- you've put in a ton of work :)
[21:46] <kurt_> sarnold: sure.  I'm restructuring it now.  I will welcome feedback from everyone when it's ready.
[21:47] <jamespage> adam_g, I think I might need to work in the bits and pieces to drop the mtu in instances using dnsmasq on the gateway nodes
[21:48] <sarnold> kurt_: thanks :D I'm looking forward to it
[21:49] <kurt_> cheers.  It's taken a lot of effort.
[21:50] <adam_g> jamespage, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2013-September/002998.html FYI
[21:51] <jamespage> sinzui, fyi I just upgraded 1.14.1 running agents to 1.15.1 OK on our openstack deployment
[21:51] <sinzui> oh goody
[21:53] <sinzui> jamespage, was the tools-url: https://swift.canonistack.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_526ad877f3e3464589dc1145dfeaac60/juju-dist/tools
[21:53] <jamespage> sinzui, well it was not canonistack
[21:53] <sinzui> okay
[21:53] <jamespage> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/v1/AUTH_79699f6f71e245b186720f1e2bc03cf0/juju-dist/tools
[21:54] <jamespage> sinzui, but its looks much the same
[21:54] <sinzui> That does match the pattern I expect
[21:59] <jamespage> sinzui, upgrade-juju with maas provider not so happy
[21:59] <sinzui> :(
[22:03] <jamespage> sinzui, hmm - can't juju status any longer...
[22:04] <sinzui> oh, that is worse
[22:04] <sinzui> I have waited 2 hours after a call to upgrade and I still had access using old and new juju
[22:09] <jamespage> sinzui, hmm - looks like the old agent is looking for the new tools in tools/
[22:10] <jamespage> rather than consuming simplestreams
[22:10] <jamespage> that might be my bad
[22:10] <sinzui> jamespage, I think that is correct. 1.14.1 does not know about streams
[22:12] <sinzui> jamespage, Though I wondered if the upgraded bootstrap agent pointed the unit agents where to find the new juju. Since I saw the bootstrap upgrade from tools/, but not the units, maybe the units went to a different location.
[22:14] <jamespage> sinzui, I can upgrade the bootstrap either with maas
[22:15] <jamespage> sinzui, can't figure out how to get 1.15.1 into the right location
[22:15] <jamespage> if I sync with 1.14.1 it ignores the 1.15.1 tarballs
[22:15] <jamespage> if I do it with 1.15.1 it just pushed tools/releases and tools/streams
[22:16] <sinzui> yeah, the updated release-public-tools does a lot of fixing up to support old and new
[22:18] <sinzui> jamespage, This is what I have been doing to collect, extract, and organise a tree that can be synced: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6206992/
[22:18] <sinzui> ^ This is also why I wonder if I am doing something wrong.
[22:18] <jamespage> sinzui, well I can do that with openstack OK as I just push the tree into swift
[22:18] <jamespage> sinzui, but for maas I have to use sync-tools
[22:18] <sinzui> oh?
[22:19] <sinzui> We will need some legacy support then in sync-tools I think
[22:20] <jamespage> I need that fixed for 1.16.1
[22:20] <jamespage> I need that fixed for 1.16.0 rather


[00:25] <hallyn> kirkland: do you have that liveusb image for the uec demo posted somewhere?
[00:27] <hallyn> ah, i see it on the uds blueprint, thx
[00:59] <corpse> hey, im trying to set up a file server using a guide. its telling me to run command echo server1.example.com > /etc/hostname /etc/init.d/hostname.sh start  even using sudo i get -bash /etc/hostname: permission denied
[01:02] <Pici> corpse: echo "server1.example.com" | sudo tee /etc/hostname
[01:03] <corpse> thanks man =]
[01:05] <corpse> now when i run start hostname i get start: unable to connect to system bus: failed to connct to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: no such file or directory
[01:08] <corpse> never mind i think i got it. but when i run hostname i get fireserv   then when i run hostname -f i get fileserv.example.com. the guide says they should both return fileserv.example.com
[01:46] <corpse> i cannot seem to get my interfaces files setup right inorder to run the server
[01:47] <corpse> and i dont understand why, cuase its pretty stright forward
[01:48] <kirkland> hallyn: yeah, it *mostly* works
[01:48] <kirkland> hallyn: there's something non-deterministic about the behavior at this point
[01:48] <kirkland> hallyn: ie, boot it in a vm, if it doesn't "just work", kill the vm, and try again
[01:48] <kirkland> hallyn: right now, it takes 2-3 tries
[01:51] <Izinucs> Is there a way to boot to the server installer from usb on a headless machine and then ssh into it to do the install?  I already have the installer prepared on a usb stick..
[03:42] <DrDamnit> Installing 10.04 LTS x64 server on HP ML150 G6 from USB drive created with PenDriveLinux Universal Installer. "Load installer components from CD" fails. How do I get past this?
[03:44] <ScottK> DrDamnit: Why didn't you use usb-creator to make the USB image?
[03:44] <DrDamnit> usb-creator crashes with a segmentation fault on 10.04 desktop.
[03:46] <corpse> hey, when i ifconfig it shows that my eth0 is up and runing but when i try to apt-get upgrade i get faliure resolving errors. is there any way to trouble shoot my network connection?
[03:47] <corpse> DrDamnit: i just did this last night formate the drive to FAT32 and use UNetbootin. that ended up working for me
[03:48] <corpse> DrDamnit: i was using a ISO d/led from ubuntu.com though not cd
[03:53] <DrDamnit> corpse: I am using the ISO too. I'll try UBetbootin
[03:56] <DrDamnit> corpse: 10.04_Live_x64?
[04:05] <corpse> DrDamnit: yes i used both desktop and server ed
[04:06] <corpse> are you formating the drive prior to runing UNetbootin?
[04:07] <DrDamnit> I used the HP format tool to format the drive to FAT32, and then put server x64 on it. Just booted, and it says "Your installation CDROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means tha thte CDROM was no in the drive. I fso you can inserti it and try again."
[04:07] <DrDamnit> I used Unetbootin to put server x64 on it.
[04:10] <DrDamnit> still no joy.
[04:10] <DrDamnit> any thoughts?  Perfectly valid. And... let me check. I assumed that since it was booting from the USB stick that it was, indeed, doing that. But not setting it might confuse it during the install. Let's try it out....
[04:12] <corpse> also after making the disk i had to run this command      sudo syslinux -sf /dev/your_device   (your device being the drive name eg sda sdb sdb1 etc)
[04:12] <corpse> yeah you want to make sure that the first device it is booting from is the usb
[04:12] <DrDamnit> I am making this USB on Windows. That's all I have available at the moment.
[04:12] <corpse> ah
[04:12] <DrDamnit> but it should still work.
[04:12] <corpse> yeah
[04:13] <DrDamnit> It is booting from the USB stick...
[04:13] <corpse> im not exaclty sure, im sure you can google it, but that command i just gave was to make the drive bootable
[04:14] <corpse> you might need to do that but im not sure how to in windows
[04:14] <DrDamnit> In BIOS: USB Device Boot Pririty = High.
[04:14] <DrDamnit> there's a syslinux.exe that does it.
[04:14] <DrDamnit> syslinux just makes it bootable.
[04:14] <corpse> ah
[04:14] <DrDamnit> It appears to be that anaconda is failing to detect the setup files on the USB drive, and / or is defaulting ot the cdrom.
[04:14] <DrDamnit> which it should be doing because we are no tinstalling from a cdrom.
[04:14] <DrDamnit> ...methinks....
[04:14] <corpse> when booting and your at the bios splash screen try hitting f8 to see if you have a bootlist selector
[04:15] <corpse> yeah i had the same problem. i litterly spent 24 hours trying to get my usb to boot
[04:16] <ntenis> hello quys
[04:16] <ntenis> has anyone installed remote desktop to a server installation ?
[04:16] <corpse> im about to try to once i get my networking working on my server =P
[04:17] <DrDamnit> ntenis: remote desktop uses vnc or some other type of software that "broadcasts" the xserver. So, there's no point since X is not install on server.
[04:17] <corpse> the network says its up but i cant connect to apt-get update
[04:17] <ntenis> i tried to installed gnome and vnc but when i do that then i am no longer able to ssh to the server
[04:17] <DrDamnit> corpse: the repos have been having issues lately.
[04:17] <ntenis> does anyone know why?
[04:18] <DrDamnit> try to manually connect from another machine to see if they are up.
[04:18] <corpse> yeah i have it running on this machine right now
[04:20] <corpse> yeah i have it running on this machine right now;1 droped:0 overruns:0 frame:1  is there anyway to see that error?
[04:20] <corpse> oops
[04:21] <corpse> when i run ifconfig i get RX packets:863 errors:1
[04:21] <DrDamnit> on which machines?
[04:21] <corpse> my server
[04:21] <corpse> i have a box right next to me that im trying to set up a fileserver
[04:22] <corpse> and its been fighting me every step of the way
[04:22] <DrDamnit> the one with the network problem....
[04:22] <corpse> yes
[04:22] <DrDamnit> has it ever worked (i.e., on 9.10?)
[04:22] <corpse> nope this is my first attempt
[04:23] <corpse> using 10.04 server
[04:23] <ScottK> DrDamnit: If you didn't get it working yet, I understand usb-creator-kde doesn't crash.
[04:23] <DrDamnit> try 9.10 first. It's quite nice. I am starting to have my doubts about 10.04. It's shiney and new, but seems to be buggy.
[04:24] <DrDamnit> ScottK: Haven't gotten it to work yet. Tried the Universal USB installer from PenDriveLinux, and now working with Unetbootin. I'll try that next. apt-get install usb-creator-kde?
[04:24] <DrDamnit> ScottK: the issue doesn't seem to be the bootable USB key thing... it appears anaconda is upset with me using a USB key rather than a CDROM. What do you think?
[04:24] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:25] <ScottK> I've done installs from usb sticks before.  The error sounded like it was confused about the path to the device.  That's why I was thinking there may be some data point that usb-creator sets that other methods don't.
[04:26] <ScottK> Although, in fairness, my usb installs were desktops/netbooks, not servers.
[04:26] <DrDamnit> corpse: I am booting with 10.04 Desktop into live mode to see if the live mode will work, and then see if I can see the CDROM and HDs, etc...
[04:26] <DrDamnit> Yes. I have done USB on netbooks and desktops. This is the first server.
[04:26] <DrDamnit> I agree it is confused about the path.
[04:26] <DrDamnit> I also have a smart array i400P RAID controller n this.
[04:26] <DrDamnit> so that may be making a difference.
[04:29] <DrDamnit> booting into live mode doesn't see the raid controller.
[04:30] <DrDamnit> nope. nevermid. It shows up as cciss not hdx sdx or scsix.
[04:30] <DrDamnit> kernel supports the controller...
[04:30] <DrDamnit> so that's good.
[04:31] <ScottK> You could just install using the desktop installer and remove the desktop when you're done.
[04:31] <deslector> hi, is there any ubuntu-based asterisk distribution out there?
[04:33] <DrDamnit> corpse: on your file server that cannot access the repos... how many NICs do you have?
[04:33] <corpse> DrDamnit: one
[04:33] <DrDamnit> deslector: I am a dCAP. Not that I know of. Digium uses #PoundKey, which is based on rPath, which is based on Redhat.
[04:34] <corpse> DrDamnit: im just kinnda new to linux so im running out of commands to help troubleshoot
[04:34] <DrDamnit> are you wanting something like Trixbox?
[04:34] <deslector> dragondon, dCAP?
[04:35] <deslector> DrDamnit,
[04:35] <DrDamnit> corpse: no worries. That doesn't mean that you won't either 1) have the answer or 2) light a firecracker in my brain causing an 'ah-ha' moment ot fix it. :-)
[04:35] <DrDamnit> dCAP = Digium Certified Asterisk Professional.
[04:35] <deslector> DrDamnit, oh, I see
[04:35] <deslector> DrDamnit, yeah, something like trixbox would be nice, but based on ubuntu
[04:35] <deslector> I like ubuntu much better
[04:36] <DrDamnit> Not that I know of. Trixbox should be named KludgeBox. It sucks.
[04:36] <DrDamnit> It's easier to just build what you need and write scripts to assemble it.
[04:36] <DrDamnit> http://www.idlebraintime.com/2009/06/how-to-install-asterisk-16-on-ubuntu-904-server/
[04:36] <DrDamnit> from my blog.
[04:36] <DrDamnit> after that, grab freepbx.
[04:36] <DrDamnit> and you should be good to go.
[04:36] <DrDamnit> that most of what trixbox offers anyway.
[04:37] <DrDamnit> what features do you specifically need?
[04:37] <corpse> DrDamnit: so far i have set my static ip adress and host info. i am able to run a network restart without error. but i still can not connect to anything
[04:37] <ScottK> I haven't tried it, but I know some effort went into the last cycle to get asterisk working well on Ubuntu.
[04:38] <deslector> DrDamnit, well... not sure, only the basic stuff... basically, freepbx + fax
[04:38] <deslector> conferencing would be nice too
[04:39] <DrDamnit> corpse: I have had that issue before. It acts like there is an IP address conflict. Set the nic back to DHCP, and delete the static info that you put in there. Then get an address from your DHCP server, then reset the static ip address. Does the trick for me.
[04:39] <DrDamnit> ScottK: Asterisk has always worked well on Ubuntu. At least since v7.
[04:39] <DrDamnit> deslector: follow the guide i gave you. That will get asterisk working in Ubuntu.
[04:39] <DrDamnit> Then install FreePBX according to its docs.
[04:40] <deslector> DrDamnit, is it apt-get upgrade safe?
[04:40] <|corpse|> sorry kicked the powercord out of the wall
[04:40] <deslector> DrDamnit, the main thing I have againts CentOS-based stuff is that I'm never sure whether I can upgrade or not
[04:40] <deslector> s/againts/against/
[04:40] <DrDamnit> fax is still a bit nebulous, but you can buy the fax license from Digium, and it works REALLY well. It's relatively cheap. If you do the free one, you might be in for some headaches. The cheapest thing to do for fax; however, is to get an ATA and plug it into a real fax machine.
[04:40] <|corpse|> lol i guess im dumb. after the reboot on my server from that power fail i can now update the repos
[04:41] <DrDamnit> apt-get upgrade is safe. I do it all the time.
[04:41] <DrDamnit> corpse: that's fantastic.
[04:41] <DrDamnit> thank your foot.
[04:41] <deslector> DrDamnit, oh, ok! thank you very much... I'll give it a try
[04:41] <|corpse|> the guide im using donst state to reboot the pc, just to reset the network
[04:42] <DrDamnit> deslector: if you ever blow asterisk up.....
[04:42] <DrDamnit> just recompile and reinstall.
[04:42] <DrDamnit> ./configure && make && make install && service asterisk restart
[04:42] <DrDamnit> from the source dir.
[04:42] <|corpse|> DrDamnit: do you know if its possible/ok to run a server as both a file server and a proxy for the rest of the network?
[04:46] <DrDamnit> corpse: I don't see why not from a functional standpoint. From a security standpoint...probably not a great idea.
[04:46] <|corpse|> ok, trying to maximize security with anonnymity
[04:47] <|corpse|> and i really dont want somthing like tor running on my server
[04:47] <DrDamnit> corpse: maximize security means you need to have a dedicated proxy.
[04:47] <deslector> DrDamnit, just out of curiosity, any idea why most asterisk-distros prefer CentOS & Co.?
[04:48] <DrDamnit> CentOS is based on Redhat. Asterisk was originally developed on a Redhat based system.
[04:48] <DrDamnit> Digium has standardized on redhat based technologies.
[04:48] <DrDamnit> but...what's interesting... is that most of the tech people who are there all prefer debian / ubuntu.
[04:49] <DrDamnit> I assume the reason is because CentOS is RHEL's free version.
[04:49] <deslector> DrDamnit, yeah, I know about RH-CentOS
[04:50] <DrDamnit> corpse: are you going to anonymize your IP using the proxy?
[04:50] <deslector> DrDamnit, I just don't see any advantage to use RedHat either
[04:50] <DrDamnit> deslector: it's really personal preference.
[04:50] <deslector> DrDamnit, yep... you're right
[04:50] <DrDamnit> there's no disadvantage either.
[04:51] <deslector> it is still weird that all of them (at least the ones I've seen) run on RH-based stuff
[04:51] <deslector> someone should start an Ubuntu-based one :-)
[04:52] <DrDamnit> someone should :-)
[04:52] <deslector> ubuntisk
[04:52] <deslector> lol
[04:53] <DrDamnit> corpse: have you considered: http://www.endian.com/en/community/
[04:55] <|corpse|> thanks ill check that out
[04:55] <|corpse|> do you know how to change a bootlist on a device from the server command prompt?
[04:55] <|corpse|> i can only boot to server with the usb stick in. it did not install the grub to the disk i installed ubuntu into.
[04:56] <|corpse|> i just did an fdisk -l and relized that the its not listed under device boot
[04:57] <DrDamnit> not off the top of my head, but I am guessing you can google it pretty easy. You need to install grub.
[04:57] <|corpse|> yeah, iv been looking, thanks for the help. that endian looks really nice
[05:15] <DrDamnit> ScottK: You da man! usb-creator-kde worked.
[05:15] <ScottK> DrDamnit: Thank rgreening_.  He's the primary developer of the KDE front end for usb-creator.
[05:15] <ScottK> Glad I could help.
[05:16] <rgreening_> :P
[05:17] <DrDamnit> done and done.
[05:17] <DrDamnit> PM'd him.
[05:18] <rgreening_> ty DrDamnit
[05:18] <rgreening_> nice to see it useful
[05:44] <|corpse|> hey, is anyone good with samba? im triny to install a server and when i do sudo smbpassw -a sample_user i enter the new password twice then i get the return " failed to add entry for user sample_user
[06:18] <DrDamnit> corpse: did you say that you were just gietting a blinking cursor?
[06:18] <corpse> nope
[06:19] <corpse> i almost have the server all set up but now i just cant get my computer to connect to it properly
[06:21] <DrDamnit> yeah. I got 10.04 installed, and now after boot, the cursor just blinks.
[06:21] <corpse> my server comes up in networks and i can open that and see the workgroup file but i get cannot retrive share list
[06:21] <corpse> hmm, i havnt run into that problem yet
[06:24] <ScottK> DrDamnit: Try a different VT.  IIRC there's a boot time VT switching bug.
[06:24] <DrDamnit> rolling back to 9.10.
[06:24] <DrDamnit> VT?
[06:25] <DrDamnit> ScottK: What VT?
[06:25]  * ScottK doesn't recall which.
[06:25] <ScottK> There aren't that many to check.
[06:26] <DrDamnit> ScottK: What is VT?
[06:27] <ScottK> Virtual Terminal
[06:27] <ScottK> You switch with alt (or ctrl alt, I'm really tired and don't recall) and F1 - F7.
[06:27] <DrDamnit> gotcha.
[06:27] <DrDamnit> I'll try
[06:28] <DrDamnit> ctrl+alt says my ubuntu laptop....
[06:28] <DrDamnit> F1-F6 are terminals, F7 X.
[06:29] <DrDamnit> It posts, and looks like it is at the grub loading stage, but I never see grub, and I never see a boot.
[06:30] <DrDamnit> VT's are all a cursor (if they are even loaded).
[06:30] <DrDamnit> 10.04 appears too buggy for a production box.
[06:34] <jbrouhard> DrDamnit, I find 10.04 to be perfectly fine
[06:34] <jbrouhard> it could easily be a variety of problems in your case, unless you seriously investigate it instead of writing it off as "buggy"
[06:34] <DrDamnit> jbrouhard: Works well on three other boxes, but I have been banging against one issue after another with this particular box. Rolling back to 9.10 to see if it is the version or the hardware.
[06:35]  * jbrouhard suspects hardware
[06:35] <jbrouhard> Or possibly the drive
[06:35] <DrDamnit> already tested the drives. THey are brand new, and came back clean.
[06:35] <DrDamnit> show up as cciss, and parition and format just fine. Live CD sees them and can work with them.
[06:36] <jbrouhard> hmm
[06:36] <jbrouhard> is there any thing different between the known-working boxes and the problem child ?
[06:37] <DrDamnit> Completely different sets of hardware. The problem child is an HP ML150 G6, and the others are various ASUS and Intel boards. All 64bit.
[06:37] <jbrouhard> I'd search forums for these
[06:37] <DrDamnit> The primary issue is usually the hardware controller, and I know that 9.10 works well with this hardware set because I have an ML370 with the same configs and it works like a charm in 9.10. Ergo, why I am testing with 9.10.
[06:38] <DrDamnit> *hard drive controller
[06:38] <DrDamnit> When I installed 9.10, it installed without a hitch, then made me a cup of coffee, and drew me a picture of a smiley face.
[06:38] <DrDamnit> ...on the ML370 that has the same HD smart array controller.
[06:40] <DrDamnit> also, the other boxes were all updated using do-release-upgrade not a fresh install.
[06:42] <DrDamnit> In Anaconda on the software seelction screen, What does "Virtual Machine Host" install? VMWare?
[06:50] <DrDamnit> jbrouhard: 9.10 insalled like a charm.
[06:51] <jbrouhard> sounds like a driver issue.
[06:51] <jbrouhard> Doesn't make it buggy
[06:51] <jbrouhard> isn't the ML150 a bit old ?
[06:52] <DrDamnit> It's a G6.
[06:52] <DrDamnit> brand new version
[06:56] <DrDamnit> thanks for everyone's help. I am going to bed. :-)
[07:18] <ruben23> hi guys how do i install this atheros ethernet card on my ubuntu-server 8.04------> http://pastebin.com/6RwKtran
[07:18] <ruben23> any idea how to make it be detected
[07:18] <ruben23> and can be used
[07:31] <ruben23> hi guys..?
[07:42] <deslector> hi, do you guys have any suggestion about good squid reports generator?
[07:45] <Ian___> There is one in smoothwall ... may B U could find out what that is
[07:47] <deslector> Ian___, is smoothwall based on ubuntu?
[07:48] <Ian___> not sure
[07:48] <Ian___> I should check .. have machine downstairs dedicated to just that
[07:50] <Ian___> Based on Redhat originally
[12:15] <aliverius> what remote management tools are there for ubuntu server? how well do they integrate?
[14:46] <Andrew-by> As I see there is no Server Guide for the 10.4 version yet, is it?
[15:22] <guntbert> !serverguide | andol
[15:23] <guntbert> soory, wrong nick
[15:23] <andol> guntbert: no problem
[15:24] <guntbert> that other guy was away so quick....
[15:27] <dragondon> @dselector Not sure what that meant but that would mean I'm not the DD you are looking for :)
[16:22] <Maleko> i have a question about manually compiling binaries in ubuntu server
[16:25] <Maleko> when you compile stuff locally (with --prefix) does the resulted binaries usually contain hard coded path of their dir
[16:25] <guntbert> Maleko: that would completely depend on the author's choice
[16:26] <guntbert> Maleko: but I don't expect that often
[16:28] <Maleko> well i am curious if the app that i have locally compiled on my server would work another ubuntu server
[16:28] <Maleko> both are running the same ubuntu version
[16:29] <guntbert> Maleko: I'd say "yes" generally, but why don't you just try?
[16:37] <elnur> http://pastebin.com/BWA3nv9J It works with this configuration and asks for auth. But if I uncomment LimitExcept, I get Forbidden by default. But it's supposed to allow me for GET PROPFIND OPTIONS REPORT
[16:38] <elnur> Any ideas why?
[16:42] <elnur> http://pastebin.com/BWA3nv9J It works with this configuration and asks for auth. But if I uncomment LimitExcept, I get Forbidden by default. But it's supposed to allow me for GET PROPFIND OPTIONS REPORT. Any ideas why?
[16:51] <elnur> http://pastebin.com/BWA3nv9J It works with this configuration and asks for auth. But if I uncomment LimitExcept, I get Forbidden by default. But it's supposed to allow me for GET PROPFIND OPTIONS REPORT. Any ideas why?
[17:01] <elnur> Solved my problem by removing 'AuthzSVNAccessFile /srv/authz' line from the config
[19:45] <Oddfellows> What is the command for enabling a module?
[19:45] <Oddfellows> in apache
[19:47] <ScottK> Any clamav users here with 10.04 willing to help out with some testing?
[19:49] <deslector> Oddfellows, a2enmod
[19:54] <RoyK^> Oddfellows: don't remember - the manual way is to make a symlink to it in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled (from mods-available)
[19:54] <RoyK^> then restart or reload apache
[19:56] <RoyK^> Oddfellows: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html <-- read that friendly manual :þ
[20:00] <Scunizi> to manually set a static IP address are there any additional files to edit other than /etc/network/interfaces and etc/resolv.conf?
[20:02] <guntbert> Scunizi: if you change the network too you will have to adapt the routes  -- please see https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[20:05] <Scunizi> guntbert: thanks for the link.. the addressing will be within the same subnet as the dhcp'd computers.. I just want to fix the ip address to a higher static IP like <IP_ADDRESS> or similar.. keeping dns etc the same as the rest of the network
[20:06] <guntbert> Scunizi: then you should be fine - but I "always" check against the guide (doing it too seldom....)
[20:08] <Scunizi> guntbert: I know what you mean.. I had a 'hidden' server in the house with 8.04 for a while but havent used it in a while.. when I tried to fire it up to install 10.04 it was 2 hours of hardware diagnostics and swapping power supplies & ram around from other door stops that I have.. finally got one working and am in the middle of install now..
[20:08] <dae_> Hi, I'm working on setting up SMTP-AUTH with postfix, basically following https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html. The server has two interfaces, one towards the outside and one towards my internal network. What I want to achieve is to disable the support to accept a plaintext password send on the external interface. I'm using Dovecot SASL with mechanisms plain and login that in turn uses PAM. Following the g
[20:08] <dae_> uide it seems I can login with a plaintext password now, but I only want to support that when using TLS.
[20:08] <Scunizi> guntbert: on a side note.. when I sudo tasksel and choose FTP server.. which server is installed? and how much additional configuration is needed to actually get it working?
[20:09] <dae_> So, I was thinking about using port 587 and require TLS on that port and only setup SMTP AUTH on port 587, and never allow relays on mail coming in on port 25. Will this work? Better solutions?
[20:10] <guntbert> Scunizi: man tasksel tells you how to get most of that info
[20:10] <Scunizi> guntbert: thanks
[20:10] <guntbert> Scunizi: have fun :-))
[20:11] <Scunizi> guntbert: thanks.. :0
[20:11] <Scunizi> :)  Wish I could hit the shift key propertly.. fat fingers today
[20:12] <guntbert> Scunizi: lucky if they are only today :-))
[20:26] <dae_> Sorry for the long questions, setting smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes is actually all is takes to accomplish what I wanted to achieve
[20:35] <Oddfellows> I have bind configured and installed, but if I dig my domain name it does not show my A record, what is wrong?
[20:41] <Oddfellows> (Is this just a slow moment, or just am I disconnected?)
[20:43] <baccenfutter> hi, what's my searchterm, if I want my local bind9 to resolve my dyndns internally and point the clients directly to the internal IP?
[20:56] <Scunizi> guntbert: when restarting the netowrk service the link you gave me before used init.d like the older systems.. on 9.10 to present isn't is sudo service networking restart?
[20:56] <Oddfellows> I have bind configured and installed, but if I dig my domain name it does not show my A record, what is wrong?
[20:57] <guntbert> Scunizi: the traditional command will give you a hint "you can do it with  .... as well"
[20:57] <Scunizi> guntbert: ok.. I'm use to the old way but getting use to the new way... if you don't play you forget :/
[21:01] <guntbert> Scunizi: I just tried: etc/init.d/networking does its job, then there is sudo service networking ..., and then there is sudo restart networking
[21:04] <axisys> how do I auto update the non critical pkgs.. currently i get notified through screen/email/motd and then run aptitude manually
[21:04] <yosi1234> hi all
[21:05] <yosi1234> Question - If I need to install the driver for the LSI RAID Controller 9260-8i on Ubuntu , which driver would be compatible from tehir website
[21:05] <yosi1234> http://www.lsi.com/storage_home/products_home/internal_raid/megaraid_sas/6gb_s_value_line/sas9260-8i/
[21:05] <guntbert> axisys: on a server thats a sensible thing I'd say
[21:05] <yosi1234> Adaptec and LSI don't seem to have Ubuntu drives, just every other Linux OS - whats with that?
[21:06] <axisys> guntbert: manual update ?
[21:07] <guntbert> axisys: changing running applications is not that easy - so you choose the time when you want to do the upgrades
[21:07] <axisys> i like to do auto update non critical pkgs.. like for example bybou
[21:08] <axisys> i see some hints in here
[21:08] <axisys> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutoWeeklyUpdateHowTo
[21:08] <Scunizi> guntbert: FYI.... sudo service networking restart wasn't recognized... sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart worked with no prompt for an alternate command
[21:09] <guntbert> Scunizi: I didn't ask what version you are running
[21:09] <Scunizi> 10.04
[21:10] <axisys> what i want to do is find a way to give the autoupdate a list of pkgs then I like to autoupdate.. but not all
[21:10] <guntbert> Scunizi: same here - but the "new" commands seem to have some issues
[21:10] <Scunizi> when initially logging in on the main box or via ssh.. server presents some system information.. how do I manually call that up when I want?
[21:12] <guntbert> axisys: look at the aptitude part - you could even try to put aptitude safe-upgrade into a cron-job -- that never broke anything for me
[21:12] <axisys> guntbert: cool!
[21:13] <axisys> guntbert: thank you
[21:13] <guntbert> axisys: no problem and Good luck :-)
[21:13] <axisys> guntbert: so it does not upgrade kernel right.. let me read the man
[21:13] <axisys> guntbert: so it does not upgrade kernel right?
[21:14] <baccenfutter> hi, what's my searchterm, if I want my local bind9 to resolve my dyndns to the internal IP of my www server instead of passing the request to the authority?
[21:15] <guntbert> axisys: hmm - without command switches it asks me "do you want to do that" -- which is bad in a cron job -- please really read the man page - as my "server" is only a VM I just do it manually
[21:16] <axisys> markauto looks a good option
[21:16] <axisys> so i can just pick my pkgs that i want to install automatically
[21:16] <axisys> or upgrade
[21:21] <yosi1234> Question
[21:21] <yosi1234> If the Kernel 2.6.32 has native support for a device (MEgaRAID), you don't need another driver in the OS?
[21:22] <ScottK> That should be correct.
[21:22] <yosi1234> i come form the windows worls
[21:22] <yosi1234> so just trying to learn
[21:22] <maddhat> I'm trying to create a user for backups (need to ssh to the system).  how can i create a user with read only access to ALL files on the filesystem?
[21:22] <yosi1234> u normally need a driver for everything
[21:27] <ScottK> yosi1234: It's no problem for asking.
[21:31] <Scunizi> I'm now having scp over ssh issues... mostlikely just me or something I haven't configured yet.. I can ssh into my server and ... scp my_machine@<IP Address>:/etc/samba/smb.conf server@<ip address>:/etc/samba/  ... is this the wrong syntax?
[21:32] <maddhat> Scunizi: it looks right to me
[21:32] <maddhat> but are you sure you have permissions to write in the destination location?
[21:33] <Scunizi> maddhat: can you use sudo in conjunction with the scp command?
[21:33] <guntbert> Scunizi: asfaik scp works only when one side is local so scp /etc/samba/smb.conf user@server:/etc/samba/
[21:33] <Scunizi> ah.. syntax.. I'll try again..
[21:33] <guntbert> Scunizi: where user should be root in this case
[21:34] <Scunizi> guntbert: maddhat .. ok it worked.. sudo scp <user@IP Address:/etc/samba/smb.conf /etc/samba   ...
[21:35] <Scunizi> makes sense now... but going the other direction the system should ask for a password for the machine on the receiving end.. right?
[21:37] <guntbert> Scunizi: no, always for the far end, as you are locally authenticated anyway
[21:39] <Scunizi> guntbert: I think that's what I mean.. If I'm on machine A that is ssh'd into machine B via terminal then in that terminal if I want to copy a file from B to A the previously mentioned syntax would be reversed and machine A would ask for a password (if copying to a "root" location).. Am I correct in that?
[21:40] <Scunizi> ls
[21:41] <guntbert> Scunizi: sorry, thats getting a little complicated for the local time of day :-), disregard what happened before and where your body is. just look at "where do I initiate scp  - that is local" and "where is the other side - thats remote"
[21:42] <Scunizi> :) ok..
[21:44] <Scunizi> guntbert: I just tested scp /etc/testfile.txt <username>@192.168.x.x:/etc/ .. that would be copying from the remote machine to the machine I'm at... it prompts me for a password and then says Permission Denied.. what am I doing wrong?
[21:46] <maddhat> change the destination folder to the home directory of the user you are logging in as. see if you get the same error
[21:46] <guntbert> Scunizi: remember "local" is the machine where the scp executable is occupying the cpu, "remote" is elsewhere - you always need to give user and password for the remote side
[21:50] <Scunizi> guntbert: so local would be the machine that I'm ssh'd into because it thinks I'm there locally.... so when copying to the remote machine (the one I'm sitting at) scp gets a reqeust for a password from the remote machine.. no user name is mentioned most likely because I put that in the syntax.. ie. user@IP address:.. still says permission denied when I enter the password
[21:51] <ruben23> hi giys anyone setup a production web server using apache2
[21:53] <guntbert> Scunizi: try it local-local (at the machine where your body is): scp somefile localhost:~/someothername, should ask you for *your* password, than you can try the same approach from the other machine
[21:54] <guntbert> Scunizi: but you can always initiate the transfer from the other machine too
[21:54] <guntbert> s/too/as well/
[21:57] <Scunizi> guntbert: I get the systems to ask for a password but after it's entered it is denied.. the pass on both machines is the same.. will that make a difference?
[21:58] <guntbert> Scunizi: no difference - try with ssh localhost  - does that work?
[21:59] <Scunizi> guntbert: I'll do that again.. didn't use localhost just a directory reference..
[22:00] <ruben23> i giys anyone setup a production web server using apache2
[22:00] <Scunizi> guntbert: yes that worked.. using local host.. it asked to add the RSA key and then asked for the password
[22:01] <guntbert> Scunizi: and now try scp (with localhost) again, maybe the missing key was the issue
[22:04] <Scunizi> guntbert: it did do it the first time with localhost after accepting the key.  and now functions the same without asking for acceptance of the key so it is stored.. however trying it from the machine that I'm sitting at in my terminal (not the ssh'd terminal).. and going to the remote machine, I'm prompted for the password, it's entered, then denied
[22:05] <guntbert> Scunizi: and users on both machines are the same? and ssh in the same direction works?
[22:08] <Scunizi> guntbert: users are different..  in the ssh terminal I just did a test..  scp /etc/testfile.txt <user>@192.168.x.x:/home/mark/ and it worked machine to machine .. . then I tried ... scp /etc/testfile.txt <user>@192.168.x.x:/etc/  .. it asked for the password and then it denied the transfer.. ???
[22:09] <Scunizi> the only difference between the two is the location of where the file is going on the same machine.
[22:10] <guntbert> Scunizi: you have to give the correct username for the target (where the scp executable is NOT occupying the cpu) and the appropriate password
[22:10] <Scunizi> guntbert: so if I'm copying to a root location the user would be "root"?
[22:11] <guntbert> Scunizi: yes, I think I said that some time ago :-))  but maybe it was in another conversation
[22:12] <Scunizi> guntbert: tried that but it also didn't work :(
[22:12] <Scunizi> guntbert: I tried the user name (the only user on the system) and root .. both ask for a password and both are denied.
[22:14] <guntbert> Scunizi: please pastebin two lines for me: the command you use to ssh from your body to the server, and the command you give to initiate scp in the same direction (and please don't obfuscate usernames and addresses if possible)
[22:18] <Scunizi> guntbert: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/hczB6KsD
[22:19] <guntbert> Scunizi: that was the scp part, now please with ssh (and once mark, once root)
[22:20] <Scunizi> guntbert: how do you mean with ssh? how I actually log into the server?
[22:21] <guntbert> Scunizi: yes, as scp use the same protocol as ssh I expect to get some info from that
[22:22] <guntbert> Scunizi: I expect something like ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>....., and then ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:24] <Scunizi> guntbert: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Tjr3q5V0
[22:26] <guntbert> Scunizi: thats the other direction - I need the same direction as with scp
[22:27] <Scunizi> .50 is the machine I'm sitting at.. can I ssh into this same machine?  .200 is the headless server
[22:30] <guntbert> Scunizi: of course you could try - starting from the .200
[22:33] <Scunizi> guntbert: didn't know if that was going to work but it did.. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/2Z85Jaxy
[22:33] <Scunizi> confusing redundancy if I had to do that all the time :)
[22:36] <Scunizi> That is.. I ssh'd into the 200 machine and once there ssh'd back to the machine that I was on.
[22:36] <guntbert> Scunizi: no , on .200 you type ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>..... then exit and type ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>.... and exit
[22:37] <Scunizi> guntbert: ah.. the 200 is a headless server.. it would take me a few minutes to setup the monitor, keyboard and mouse.
[22:38] <guntbert> Scunizi: nononono! just do it from your existing ssh session!!
[22:40] <Scunizi> guntbert: ok.. I'm on the .50 machine.. here's the paste of me sshing into myself... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/D0ZzNYRz
[22:44] <Scunizi> guntbert: server=200 machine.. while ssh'd into the 200 I can ssh into<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(where I'm sittting) but I can't ssh into<EMAIL_ADDRESS>   From a normal terminal on the 50 machine (where I'm sitting) I can ssh into<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>does that help?
[22:45] <guntbert> Scunizi: thats not exactly what I wanted but it should do - you will have to enable root login via ssh - SECURITY RISK - edit (with root permissions) /etc/ssh/sshd_config: look for # Authentication: ..PermitRootLogin yes
[22:46] <Zelest> having root logins enabled is indeed _very_ bad.
[22:47] <Scunizi> guntbert: ok.. so as an admin of a headless server how does the admin take care of file transfers in the real world without PermitRootLogin=yes ??
[22:47] <Scunizi> to a root location that is
[22:47] <guntbert> Zelest: indeed
[22:47] <Zelest> Upload it as a user. :)
[22:47] <Zelest> then login and use sudo/su to move it to wherever it's needed.
[22:48] <Scunizi> Zelest: ah ok.. a dual step process
[22:48] <Zelest> Well
[22:48] <Zelest> What files does requre root access normally?
[22:48] <guntbert> Scunizi: upload it as a user ^^ , then ssh into the machine and copy/move the files where they should go
[22:48] <Zelest> Most services Linux has to offer normally runs as non-root users and offer the services to user-account.
[22:49] <cloakable> Well, PermitRootLogin yes and PasswordAuthentication no
[22:49] <cloakable> :)
[22:50] <guntbert> cloakable: was going to be the next step ... but I'm calling it a day now
[22:50] <guntbert> Scunizi: have fun
[22:50] <Scunizi> guntbert: ok.. but being a headless server I would ssh into it and copy files as a user to /home then move it with sudo to the right location.. thanks for the help guntbert.. it's appriciated
[22:50] <guntbert> Scunizi: no problem -- g'night
[22:51] <Scunizi> Zelest: If you're trying to copy a file from machine A to a root location on machine B I think you're saying that you can't do that unless you PermitRootLogin=yes.. do I have that right?
[22:52] <Zelest> Scunizi, Logon to machine B, su up to root, then run scp to copy files from machine A. ;-)
[22:53] <Scunizi> Zelest: ah the proverbial "assign root a password" thingy huh?  or is it sudo -i type thing
[22:53] <Zelest> Scunizi, I still don't see what files we're talking about really.
[22:53] <Zelest> Scunizi, I have assigned root a password on my machines as I'm not a fan of sudo. :-)
[22:53] <Scunizi> Zelest: a smb.conf file on one machine that I want to move to anther
[22:53] <Zelest> o_O
[22:54] <Scunizi> Zelest: or say.. an entire cms package that needs copying to /var/www ..
[22:54] <Zelest> You dislike a "dual step process", yet takes time to discuss how to do this the fastest way possible.. when it's infact ONE file you want to move? o_O
[22:55] <Zelest> mkdir /var/www/foobar.tld && chown user /var/www/foobar.tld
[22:55] <Zelest> ;)
[22:55] <Scunizi> Zelest: wasn't looking for the fastest method.. just how to do it.. I wasn't being successful with scp
[22:56] <Zelest> Ah
[22:56] <Scunizi> Zelest: yes unless the cms package is already downloaded on desktop machine A and you need to move it to headless server B
[22:56] <Zelest> How does that affect things? Simple create the root for the website and change the ownership of it before you upload it?
[22:57] <Scunizi> Zelest: that would be almost the same as moving it to /home then cp to /var/www..
[22:58] <Zelest> Yep.
[22:58] <Scunizi> Can you use sudo in a scp command?
[22:58] <Zelest> Nope.
[22:58] <Scunizi> ah well.. it's always a learning experience isn't it?
[22:58] <Zelest> Personally I run FreeBSD (doesn't matter really) on my webserver and have configured each website to the owners home-dir.
[22:59] <Zelest> E.g, /home/zelest/foobar.com/
[22:59] <Zelest> Then map the website in Apache's configuration
[22:59] <Scunizi> Zelest: is that because /home is a different partition/drive?  more room?
[23:00] <Zelest> That too, but mostly to eliminate the issue you're describing about having to move stuff around after it's uploaded.
[23:00] <Zelest> I can simply manage web content with scp/winscp.
[23:00] <Scunizi> Zelest: so does apache take care of the security access to your /home?
[23:01] <Zelest> I've chmodded each homedir so only the user and www group can access it.
[23:01] <Scunizi> 744?
[23:02] <Zelest> The www user has uid 80 in FreeBSD. :-P
[23:02] <Scunizi> I was thinking of the permissions.. not the uid..
[23:03] <Zelest> Oh
[23:03] <Zelest> 750
[23:03] <Scunizi> ah
[23:04] <Scunizi> and do you make www-data a member of your group or do you chown the directories to www-data and become a member of that?
[23:05] <Zelest> Normally a friend or relative wonders if I can host a site for them.. then I reconfigure apache, create the dirs, chmod them, etc.. then give them the username/password.
[23:05] <Zelest> Then they can upload/edit/whatever their data themselfs.
[23:07] <Scunizi> nice.. you must be using a bussiness class internet service with static ip's or possibly using something like dydns.com ?
[23:08] <penguin42> Scunizi: some ISPs provide fixed IPs for only a little extra
[23:09] <Scunizi> penguin42: unfortunately Cox Communications wants you to "upgrade" to business class (ie tiered bandwidth cost) before getting a static ip .. :(
[23:09] <Scunizi> I get much better bandwidth on their home service...
[23:16] <MTecknology> how secure is samba?
[23:19] <Zelest> Scunizi, I use my home connection with dynamic IP. ;-)
[23:19] <Scunizi> Zelest: I do to..
[23:19] <Zelest> I run a Ubuntu server for KVM, where I run several FreeBSD instances, each with a dynamic IP from my ISP (I get 10 IP's) .. :-)
[23:20] <Zelest> The Ubuntu server also acts as a firewall as well as gateway for my personal LAN.
[23:20] <MTecknology> Zelest: I could get 10 ip's if i wanted - but instead i just stick wioth the extra $5/mo and get 5
[23:20] <Zelest> As for the dynamic part, the IP's only change if one of the machines is offline for more than 30 minutes or so.. and if that happens, I got bigger problems. :-)
[23:21] <Scunizi> I have yet to create a fstab line to mount a samba share successfully with mount.cifs .. any advice?
[23:21] <Zelest> MTecknology, I can't choose less IP addresses.. also, got 100Mbit/s uncapped as well. :-P
[23:22] <MTecknology> Zelest: nice, what's that cost?
[23:22] <Zelest> ~$57/mo
[23:22] <MTecknology> wow
[23:23] <MTecknology> Zelest: how do you pull that off?
[23:23] <Zelest> I live in Sweden. :P
[23:23] <MTecknology> I'm paying $40/mo for my personal connection for 15/1
[23:23] <MTecknology> my business connection is 10/10
[23:23] <Zelest> What country do you live in?
[23:24] <MTecknology> us
[23:24] <Zelest> Mind downloading something from my site in order to test what speed you get?
[23:24] <MTecknology> ok
[23:24] <Zelest> My guess is that my ISP's international routing sucks. ;)
[23:24] <MTecknology> probably
[23:25] <MTecknology> I'm streaming music now too - so I think that eats up 1mb
[23:26] <JanC> I pay 35 € / month for 20/1 now
[23:26] <Zelest> http://www.ifconfig.se/random.junk
[23:26] <JanC> well 30 € for internet + 5 € for raw copper
[23:26] <Zelest> (dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=100000 of=./random.junk)
[23:28] <MTecknology> Zelest: i assume you're watching the speed?
[23:28] <Zelest> now I am.. lol
[23:28] <Zelest> ~350
[23:28] <Zelest> oh, nvm
[23:28] <MTecknology> jnettop :)
[23:28] <Zelest> peaked 1.2MB/s :o
[23:28] <Zelest> or someone else downloaded at the same time
[23:28] <MTecknology> Zelest: ya, about 350k
[23:28] <MTecknology> Zelest: started off ~200
[23:29] <Zelest> someone's downloading in 500-700Kb/s atm :P
[23:29] <jpds> iperf is your friend.
[23:29] <MTecknology> probably closer to you
[23:29] <Zelest> As stated above, I run FreeBSD.. so I use systat ;)
[23:29] <Zelest> systat -ifstat 1
[23:29] <Zelest> :D
[23:29] <MTecknology> jpds: pretty
[23:30]  * MTecknology goes off to take out trash and make eats
[23:30] <Zelest> MTecknology, well, works for being across the ocean and both of us using private connections :)
[23:34] <JanC> Zelest: I get about 870 KB/s from you  ;)
[23:34] <JanC> well more actually
[23:35] <Zelest> JanC, What country?
[23:38] <JanC> Zelest: from Belgium
[23:38] <Zelest> Ah, nice. :-)
[23:38] <Zelest> I remember when I was using another ISP, I had 10/10 but anyone outside Sweden could only push 150kb/s at most from me.
[23:39] <MTecknology> Zelest: ya
[23:42] <Scunizi> Ok.. # /etc/init.d/samba restart & /etc/init.d/smb restart & sudo service samba restart & sudo service smb restart doesn't work to restart samba.. How is it done in the server?
[23:43] <jpds> Scunizi: Wasn't it smbd?
[23:43] <Scunizi> jpds: on the desktop version of (k)ubuntu it's just samba... I'll try the smbd and see on the server
[23:44] <Scunizi> jpds: that did it.. is that a change from 9.10 to 10.04?
[23:45] <jpds> Possibly, with the Upstart changes.
[23:47] <bondiblueos9> is there a package I can install to take snapshots from my usb webcam?
[23:47] <bondiblueos9> from the command line
[23:52] <failover> mplayer
[23:53] <failover> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[23:57] <Scunizi> what file do I look for my "network" name in?
[23:59] <Scunizi> sorry "workgroup" name