[22:08] <luca_away> Turms: I use both; and can update freely; the problem is simply a temporal mark
[22:08] <Daekdroom> Why bother so much then?
[22:08] <Daekdroom> Fill a bug report and wait
[22:09] <luca_away> Daekdroom: it is most annoying, and more than this, I do fear it MIGHT indicate some repos failing to update info
[22:09] <luca_away> Daekdroom: can't be sure of this, obviously :-/
[22:09] <Daekdroom> Did you upgrade your system after that began to happen?
[22:10] <andresmh> how do I remove the name of the day from the gnome panel?  I want it to say just "Oct 26 18:01" instead of "Sun Oct 26 18:01"
[22:10] <luca_away> Daekdroom: more than once
[22:12] <alex_mayorga> did international keyboard layouts got reverted to USA after latest updates?
[22:12] <luca_away> alex_mayorga: not on this box
[22:13] <alex_mayorga> I just saw that happen here
[22:14] <vmelo> hello, my panel background image is gone, is it normal?
[22:15] <vmelo> anyone missing the panel background?
[22:16] <wiivile2> will intrepid break my system on october 30
[22:17] <coppro> possibly
[22:17] <coppro> are you on a laptop? if so, then probably
[22:17] <wiivile2> im on a laptop
[22:19] <djhash_> can we upgrade to the live release on the 30th? or do we need to do a clean reinstall
[22:20] <Daekdroom> You can upgrade it through the update-manager
[22:20] <musikgoat> djhash_: upgrading will get you all that would be in the live release
[22:21] <Daekdroom> It sucks so much having to use Vista -_-
[22:21] <djhash_> is it recommended to upgrade from the beta to live release or is a clean install better?
[22:21] <vmelo> anyone here is missing panel background?
[22:21] <Daekdroom> djhash_: if you are already using 8.10 beta, it'll upgrade auto
[22:21] <musikgoat> djhash_: its fine to upgrade from beta to final
[22:21] <djhash_> ok.. sweet.. thanks
[22:22] <djhash_> now onto my problem of xorg not finding my screen when i can see stuff on it perfectly!!!
[22:22] <djhash_> let me first get a pastebin of xorg.conf and xrandr output
[22:23] <andresmh> how can I disable the "universal  access preferences" icon from the gnome panel?
[22:24] <Tuv0k> pulse audio is just terribly unstable
[22:26] <Tuv0k> is there any way to restart this POS wihtout bring the whole system down?
[22:26] <Tuv0k> I don't have a bug report it just stoppped working
[22:26] <Tuv0k> I go to sleep I have sound
[22:26] <Tuv0k> I go to work
[22:26] <Tuv0k> come back
[22:26] <Tuv0k> no sound
[22:27] <Tuv0k> how does one document that?
[22:27] <musikgoat> !enter
[22:27] <feanor> hi
[22:28] <musikgoat> Tuv0k: do you have intel audio?
[22:28] <feanor> someone has a Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) soundcard?
[22:28] <musikgoat> feanor: you said your running 8.04, why are you asking here?
[22:28] <Tuv0k> musikgoat, Nvidia chipset
[22:28] <musikgoat> Tuv0k: ok
[22:28] <musikgoat> sorry
[22:29] <Tuv0k> gconfaudiosink: Failed to connect: Connection refused
[22:29] <feanor> ¿?
[22:30] <feanor> I opened my IRC client, and it redirected me here, automaticlly
[22:30] <feanor> that's all
[22:30] <feanor> where should i go?
[22:30] <musikgoat> feanor: you were just talking in #ubuntu the main support channel
[22:30] <coppro> wherever you want to
[22:31] <musikgoat>  /j #ubuntu
[22:32] <Daekdroom> How do I make udev not modprobe a module? (blacklist didn't work)
[22:32] <djhash_> hokay.. my laptop is intel-830MG graphics card  and when booting (on kernel 2.6.24-21-generic) i can see the splash screen fine everything is great.. as soon as it gets into the login screen.. the laptop monitor just turns off.. while the monitor connected on the vga port, I can see fine.. it is setup as a mirror, with 1024x768 (even lower resolutions give same results)... when i press ctrl+alt+f1.. i can see terminal on both
[22:32] <djhash_> screens.. but with the gui.. just the ext. monitor.. here is my xorg and xrandr outputs.. http://pastebin.com/f7b4613a8
[22:33] <NET||abuse1> hmm, i'm confused by conduit.
[22:35] <NET||abuse1> want to sync tomboy notes between my work desktop and my eeepc
[22:37] <NET||abuse1> i added tomboy and then a network data provider, don't see how i can configure where on the so called "network" destination it goes?
[22:38] <X4D> hello, I'm having some problems with RC ibex, first is that I cant get past GRUB, I get a kernel panic "aperture above 4GB..." I worked around that by removing 1GB of RAM (I had 2GB) and it get's past that point but I cant get into the login since m monitor doesn't receive a signal, I can however get into the console with alt+ctrl+F1, any suggestions to get things running smoothly? I've used ibex since the first beta in Virtualbox and it work
[22:40] <etnoy> ibex has been fiddling with my compiz :)
[22:40] <etnoy> just upgraded to intrepid last night, and since I've been tracking down a compiz issue that isn't going away
[22:40] <etnoy> this is an old Thinkpad T30 with ATI videocard that has been working great with hardy, both compiz, video and games have been problem-free and stable
[22:41] <etnoy> however, with intrepid the window decorations disappeared and compiz reports the following problems:
[22:41] <Daekdroom> Do you really need compiz?
[22:41] <etnoy> http://pastebin.com/m611b10e3
[22:41] <etnoy> compiz is nice, though metacity works for now
[22:41] <etnoy> thought it would be best to straighten any issues out before release time
[22:42] <FFForever> how come on a db i keep making with sqlite3 when i run select * from people it says SQL error: file is encrypted or is not a database
[22:42] <Daekdroom> etnoy: What driver is X.org using?
[22:42] <etnoy> I've tried switching from the radeon driver to ati, and that didn't do anything
[22:42] <crdlb> etnoy: those are the same driver
[22:42] <etnoy> switching to 24bit depth makes the error go away, but instead compiz runs horrendously slow
[22:42] <etnoy> crdlb: ah, my mistake!
[22:43] <crdlb> hmm
[22:43] <etnoy> nothing obvious, direct rendering is Yes
[22:43] <crdlb> etnoy: I guess it's something ancient like an M6?
[22:43] <etnoy> server glx vendor string: SGI <- should this really be SGI?
[22:43] <crdlb> yes
[22:43] <faultreporter> hi all, just updated system to newest version and now the firefox searchbar no longer searches for terms i enter there - irrespective of search engine used - does go to respective site if no term is entered before search
[22:43] <etnoy> sorry, what's an M6?
[22:43] <faultreporter> is this known issue?
[22:44] <crdlb> etnoy: ATI M6, aka the original mobile radeon
[22:45] <etnoy> lspci: Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500]
[22:45] <etnoy> but I have never seen the "M7 LW" part before
[22:45] <etnoy> it is a http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7500
[22:45] <crdlb> M7 is the "real" model number
[22:45] <etnoy> it always just said 7500
[22:45] <etnoy> alright
[22:45] <crdlb> all the ati mobile gpus are numbered sequentially
[22:46] <etnoy> the update made som big changes to xorg.conf as well, so many things could have been moved
[22:46] <crdlb> hmm, well 16 bit color should work (unlike with nvidia)
[22:46] <etnoy> yeah, that depth worked fine with hardy
[22:47] <crdlb> but you shouldn't need to go to such drastic measures with a 1024x768 screen
[22:47] <faultreporter> any comments?
[22:47] <crdlb> etnoy: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:48] <etnoy> xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m5f002811
[22:48] <etnoy> one minute for the log...
[22:49] <etnoy> log: http://pastebin.com/m898b2d8
[22:49] <Th3Unkn0wn> faultreporter, remove the search engine and readd it?
[22:50] <djhash_> my laptop is intel-830MG graphics card  and when booting (on kernel 2.6.24-21-generic) i can see the splash screen fine everything is great.. as soon as it gets into the login screen.. the laptop monitor just turns off.. while the monitor connected on the vga port, I can see fine.. it is setup as a mirror, with 1024x768 (even lower resolutions give same results)... when i press ctrl+alt+f1.. i can see terminal on both screens..
[22:50] <djhash_> but with the gui.. just the ext. monitor.. here is my xorg and xrandr.outputs..http://pastebin.comf7b4613a8
[22:51] <Daekdroom> djhash_: kernel 2.6.24 belongs to 8.04, are you sure you're in the right place?
[22:52] <djhash_> yes... I've upgraded to 8.10 using "update-manager -d"
[22:52] <crdlb> etnoy: hmm, I was going to recommend switching to XAA from EXA, but it seems it's using that by default
[22:52] <faultreporter> its not the engine itself but the search bar that wont search once a term is entered there...trying it though
[22:52] <etnoy> ah, it's using EXA?
[22:52] <Daekdroom> djhash_: why not boot using 2.6.27?
[22:52] <etnoy> didn't see that, I believe it used XAA before
[22:52] <etnoy> how do I switch back to XAA?
[22:53] <crdlb> etnoy: the log you posted is using XAA
[22:53] <djhash_> Daekdroom: cause its even worse.. no splash screen.. or anything.. although i can see it working on hdd..
[22:53] <etnoy> crdlb: ah, sorry I misunderstood :)
[22:54] <Daekdroom> djhash_: 2.6.24 is a leftover from 8.04 installation. So I think you should report your problem as no monitor output.
[22:55] <djhash_> Daekdroom: ok.. let me reboot on the 27 and see if I can fiddle around with that..
[22:55] <crdlb> etnoy: does 'LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo | grep direct' have any interesting debug output at the top?
[22:55] <faultreporter> there seem to be more faults than just that one in firefox
[22:55] <etnoy> let's find out
[22:56] <etnoy> http://pastebin.com/m18084b23
[22:56] <etnoy> hm, seems to be a problem there
[22:56] <etnoy> I'll check my drirc
[22:57] <faultreporter> every time i start it it goes through the update process and then shows me the firstrun screen for firefox 3
[22:57] <etnoy> <option name="allow_large_textures" value="2" />
[22:57] <etnoy> the above line is in drirc
[22:57] <faultreporter> that as well as the searchbar not working
[22:57] <crdlb> etnoy: yeah, that shouldn't be the whole file
[22:57] <etnoy> I've had it in there since forever
[22:58] <etnoy> but I'll try moving the file away and kill X
[22:58] <crdlb> and it's probably been silently ignored since forever too :)
[22:58] <faultreporter> think i might not bother with it now though...just thought someone may be interested as it's a fault that really limits usability
[22:58] <crdlb> etnoy: what does 'glxinfo -l | grep -i max_texture_size' say?
[22:59] <etnoy> 2048
[22:59] <crdlb> you don't need that drirc thing anyway then
[22:59] <etnoy> well, GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE = 2048 to be exact
[22:59] <etnoy> I added it when trying to run dualscreen with compiz
[22:59] <etnoy> but the card didn't support the large textures anyway
[22:59] <faultreporter> back to windows for a week then :(
[22:59] <crdlb> old ati cards used to report 1024
[23:00] <crdlb> 2048 is the real limit
[23:00] <etnoy> I'm curious about it first trying direct rendering, failing, falling back to indirect, and then succeeding
[23:00] <crdlb> in the compiz output?
[23:00] <etnoy> I don't know if it worked in direct mode before the upgrade
[23:01] <etnoy> yes
[23:01] <crdlb> that's just AIGLX
[23:01] <etnoy> http://pastebin.com/m611b10e3
[23:01] <etnoy> the compiz log like before
[23:02] <AaronMT> Anyone have issues with no usplash graphic on boot and shutdown? Any way to fix?
[23:02] <icewaterman> btw. when a folder contains a lot of files then nautilus takes extreme long to display its content
[23:02] <pen> hi
[23:02] <crdlb> etnoy: btw, you're not running compiz with sudo, are you?
[23:03] <musikgoat> icewaterman: are they media files?
[23:03] <pen> could anyone tell me why this script has an error on line 41? here is the link   http://paste2.org/p/92729
[23:03] <pen> it works in hardy
[23:03] <pen> not in intrepid
[23:03] <icewaterman> musikgoat: yes
[23:03] <etnoy> crdlb: nope
[23:03] <pen> it says syntax wrong
[23:03] <icewaterman> some of them at least musikgoat
[23:03] <musikgoat> icewaterman: its probly creating thumbs
[23:03] <icewaterman> can i prevent that?
[23:04] <musikgoat> icewaterman: is the directory on a network, or local?
[23:04] <icewaterman> local
[23:04] <musikgoat> icewaterman: tbh, i can imagine you can turn off thumbnails, but i don't know how
[23:04] <poutine> I have an ubuntu 8.10 system, I used to run fallout in wine just fine, this most recent upgrade causes a persistent Xwindows cursor smack dab in the middle of the screen while I'm trying to run this game, any clue how to fix it? (I see fixme:dinput:SysMouseAImpl_Acquire Clipping cursor to (0,0)-(640,480) in the console logging)
[23:05] <etnoy> what I find strange is that compiz runs so slow when I turn on 24bit depth
[23:05] <musikgoat> icewaterman: ok, its in the preferences for nautilus
[23:05]  * DanaG wonders what 3D things a Voodoo3 would be able to do nowadays.
[23:05] <etnoy> it runs fast in 16bit, though no borders, and the errors with GLXFBConfig
[23:05] <DanaG> Anything?
[23:05] <musikgoat> icewaterman: under preview
[23:06] <pen> anyone know why syntax error?
[23:06] <etnoy> crdlb: interesting problem, in other words
[23:06] <musikgoat> pen: why 2 fi's
[23:06] <musikgoat> ?
[23:06] <musikgoat> pen: nvm, i see
[23:06] <pen> musikgoat: ok
[23:06] <DanaG> Why does Nautilus not cache thumbnails?
[23:07] <pen> DanaG: it should, did you look into the thumbnail folder?
[23:07] <crdlb> if those two 'fi's are correct, then you should fix the indentation
[23:07] <icewaterman> musikgoat: it is all disabled
[23:07] <icewaterman> yet it causes extreme cpu load
[23:07] <DanaG> My pictures dir still seems to take a lot of time to open.
[23:07] <musikgoat> icewaterman: how many files are you talking?
[23:07] <etnoy> crdlb: were you talking to me? in that case I didn't follow you
[23:08] <musikgoat> icewaterman: and what filesystem?
[23:08] <crdlb> etnoy: no
[23:08] <etnoy> alright
[23:08] <icewaterman> musikgoat: filesystem is fat32 and ext3, but i didnt have that problem with 8.04
[23:08] <pen> crdlb: so you think it's because of indentation?
[23:08] <DanaG> grr, damn mplayer doesn't deal well with pulseaudio.
[23:08] <icewaterman> approx 2k files
[23:09] <crdlb> etnoy: I have no idea what's causing that problem; seems like a driver bug
[23:09] <DanaG> Try using frame skip... and mplayer will freeze after a while.
[23:09] <etnoy> crdlb: I would guess so. I'll speak to Xorg people.
[23:09] <pen> crdlb: btw, it says error when it is checking battery state
[23:09] <musikgoat> icewaterman: compare to the amount of time it takes to display /usr/bin?
[23:10] <musikgoat> icewaterman: i've got 2k files in there, and it took about 10 sec to display them
[23:10] <DanaG> grr... damn mplayer!
[23:10] <crdlb> pen: no, bash doesn't care about indentation, but humans do :>
[23:10] <DanaG> pause, unpause, pause, unpause..... freeeeeeeeeze.
[23:11] <icewaterman> musikgoat: it is much slower here (athlon64x2 5400+ with 4Gig RAM)
[23:11] <icewaterman> > 1 minute and stll not finished
[23:11] <pen> crdlb: but I thought the script has good indentation already?
[23:12] <will00> is there a reason that intrepid cannot automatically find the drivers for my graphics card in the same way hardy did?
[23:12] <crdlb> pen: lines 30-41 appear to be independent of 27-28
[23:12] <icewaterman> musikgoat: almost 2 minutes
[23:12] <icewaterman> for 2k files
[23:12] <crdlb> by indentation, but the code says otherwise
[23:12] <musikgoat> icewaterman: i'm using reiserfs tho, not ext3, that maybe why mine is zippier, i'm running 8.10 x64 on athlon64x2 as well, but 2gb ram
[23:13] <Turl> hi
[23:13] <Turl> where's /etc/inittab in intrepíd?
[23:13] <musikgoat> icewaterman: thats pretty rediculous
[23:13] <icewaterman> yes, this must not be normal
[23:14] <musikgoat> icewaterman: that 2+min was for /usr/bin?
[23:14] <icewaterman> musikgoat: yes
[23:14] <pen> crdlb: he just have a space to make his intend clear I think, but the if and fi is still there
[23:14] <pen> I mean, empty line
[23:14] <icewaterman> musikgoat: during that time natuilus will consume almost all the cpu
[23:15] <musikgoat> i wonder if gnome people know anything about it... as they've made alot of enhancements to 2.24
[23:16] <pen> I have that script to make sure nvidia powermizer is not slowing down my system
[23:16] <pen> but
[23:16] <pen> what do you guys do to make powermizer disabled when ac plugged in?
[23:16] <pen> and enable it in battery
[23:17] <zerwas> Is it likely that the daily cd of Intrepid will get any changes until release?
[23:17] <Kwiwaa> hi ! i've just installed intrepid RC, and got no sound ! (but no sound on hardy too), can someone help me please ?
[23:18] <icewaterman> i also get these error messages:FAT: Directory bread(block <number>) failed
[23:18] <icewaterman> but the filesystems fine
[23:20] <zerwas> Kwiwaa, which sound card?
[23:21] <Kwiwaa> lspci : 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[23:22] <icewaterman> musikgoat: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=470947 that is probably it
[23:22] <zerwas> Kwiwaa, you did not found any solution here? http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbw.cgi?Gw=ATI+Technologies+Inc+SBx00+Azalia+%28Intel+HDA%29+ubuntu
[23:22] <musikgoat> icewaterman: interesting
[23:23] <icewaterman> musikgoat: yes, it seems intrepid activated assistive tech automatically
[23:23] <icewaterman> now it is working just fine
[23:24] <centaur5> How do you unlock the new network manager to modify settings?
[23:25] <wgrant> centaur5: You don't have to. What gives you the idea that it's needed?
[23:25] <centaur5> wgrant: Wow, so this release you don't have to be admin to change network preferences?
[23:26] <wgrant> centaur5: Correct.
[23:26] <centaur5> wgrant: The reason I ask is because the OK button is grayed out as soon as I make a change to the current settings.
[23:26] <musikgoat> icewaterman: nice, good find
[23:26] <icewaterman> musikgoat: now my box feels like 10 times as fast as before :)
[23:26] <musikgoat> heh
[23:27] <wgrant> centaur5: Which settings?
[23:27] <wgrant> You probably selected an option that needed further input.
[23:28] <centaur5> wgrant: IP address switched to manual and I clicked add and typed in all the IP address information.
[23:29] <musikgoat> what IP settings did you use?
[23:29] <wgrant> centaur5: It works fine for me as long as I have a valid IP address and 0 or more valid DNS servers and search domains set.
[23:29] <icewaterman> musikgoat: thx for help
[23:30] <centaur5> wgrant: I just closed the network manager and did it again and this time it worked. I don't know why that happened I filled every field DNS and everything the first time.
[23:30] <centaur5> False alarm, thanks anyway.  :)  Just out of curiosity, why did they chose to make networking available to any user?
[23:32] <wgrant> centaur5: It's configurable, but it was decided that by default a user which is at the console should be able to configure network connections.
[23:32] <Dulak> wgrant: where do you turn that off?  I don't need my g/f fiddling with that just to play mahjongg
[23:32] <centaur5> wgrant: I'm actually glad they did that cause it's very common people have to change that.
[23:32] <wgrant> (remote users don't get that privilege)
[23:33] <wgrant> Dulak: Should be /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf
[23:33] <Dulak> wgrant: thanks
[23:33] <wgrant> It's not configurable through normal policykit means, it seems :(
[23:39] <Zerothis> is there a standard/proper way to setup a shared "public documents" that 'nobody' owns?
[23:43] <xaron>  Is it possible to install ubuntu on a USB flash drive with an encrypted root (using the alternate installer CD)?
[23:44] <wiivile2> xaron: id like to decrypt your root if you know what i mean ;)
[23:44] <xaron> no, I don't
[23:44] <Daekdroom> Owned :o
[23:45] <xaron> um
[23:47] <UnNaturalHigh> hi #ubuntu+1, does anyone know how one would go about changing the default cpu governor?
[23:47] <wiivile2> xaron: sorry if i made you uncomfortable. i just think youre really cute :\
[23:47] <djhash_> impeach?!
[23:48] <wiivile2> UnNaturalHigh: you'd have to call for a recall election or impeach, i think, unless it's a gubernatorial election next week
[23:48] <LjL> !offtopic
[23:48] <xaron> wiivile2: quit the drugs
[23:50] <wiivile2> you think i have to be on drugs to think youre cute?
[23:50] <wiivile2> :\
[23:51] <LjL> wiivile2: quit it
[23:51] <xaron> wiivile2: don't PM me.
[23:51] <ripps> lol
[23:53] <DanaG> argh... damned nv won't even play a video properly!
[23:53] <DanaG> It shows about 3 frames.... and then stops updating.


[01:13] <phillipsjk> Networking started working again after restoring the machine back to it's original configuration (not sure why adding/changing a video card would mess with that). Between that and the BIOS lan cable verification utility not working: I was thinking hardware damage.
[01:17] <MIF> phillipsjk: what was your error?
[01:35] <operational> malwar3hun73r: maybe try using burp? super flexible if you want to view/manipulate http things
[02:26] <phillipsjk> MIF: not error realy: the network just never came up. the LAN port was renaned (possibly due to appearing on a different bus?)
[02:26] <MIF> oh ok
[02:26] <MIF> yea the I don't know
[02:26] <MIF> sorry
[02:29] <phillipsjk> Found a manual work-around bringing it up with "ip" and "dhclient". Don't need it for the time-being. Still not sure if it is "dracut" related. The desktop environment seems to try to save a lot of state.
[02:29] <phillipsjk> (desktop backrgound also got messed up)
[03:36] <CarlFK> the tool bar that launches apps, like chorme, what dir stores the settings?  like if I want to add --disable-prompt-on-repost .. where is the file I add that to?
[04:24] <ptah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQhsZQ9XjHA&fbclid=IwAR04AOT2SiiyH27CnJir5ZBxugGq2aBP1-_I-P-IwyKHgmbQhdPLw4HP66s
[08:02] <geirha> CarlFK: /usr/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
[08:02] <CarlFK> geirha: yes, that.  thank you
[08:02] <geirha> oh and /usr/local/share/applications may also exist
[08:16] <jelly> are there any recommended manual actions to do after a do-release-upgrade?  I just found some pretty old package on my 18.04
[08:16] <jelly> Removing acroread-bin:i386 (9.5.5-1precise1) ...
[08:17] <jelly> wouldn't have noticed at all if it wasn't opening with command line "see foo.pdf"
[08:38] <GrayShade> Hello. I have an Ubuntu 20.04 VPS on a cheap-ish cloud provider and their web console (some kind of vnc-kvm) doesn't work after GRUB (it says "booting a command list" and blinks a cursor). It has agetty running on ttyS0 and the kernel command line has console=tty1 console=ttyS0. I tried starting agettys on the other serial consoles, but no luck. Does anyone have any ideas?
[08:38] <GrayShade> (I contacted their support and they said it's a problem with their Ubuntu images and I should just use SSH)
[08:39] <GrayShade> noVNC*
[09:10] <OnkelBlade> Hi all
[09:10] <OnkelBlade> I've connected an external sound card to my Ubuntu 20.04 and for some reason the recorded sound is pitched down
[09:10] <OnkelBlade> I set alternate-sample-rate = 48000 in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf but it didn't help
[09:11] <OnkelBlade> Any ideas? I cannot find anything in the System Settings where I can configure anything related
[09:11] <OnkelBlade> (well, I'm on KDE)
[09:13] <OnkelBlade> or I should have set default-sample-rate? Hm
[09:14] <makara1> hi. I went and updated a whole lot of Gnome extensions, and now its turned on horizontal workspaces. I tried disabling and restarting, then removing the extension, but its still active?
[09:16] <makara1> i removed the "workspace indicator" so at least it doesn't display on the top bar
[09:26] <makara1> i see the "windows list" extension turned on at the bottom of the screen. Removed that, problem solved
[10:34] <tsujp> does 18.04 LTS support Ryzen 3000 series CPUs? e.g. 3700X/
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: ryzens on ubuntu often benefit higher kernels, so !hwe could be a good idea
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: if those still give issues, you can also test things out with !mainline
[10:35] <tsujp> i can manually update the kernel while still on 18.04 LTS right?
[10:35] <tsujp> !hwe
[10:35] <tsujp> !mainline
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: but first, id suggest you try the default kernel 18.04 will give you and see how things go
[10:36] <tsujp> gotcha will do, thanks lotuspsychje
[10:40] <phocking> hey i'm having troubles instantiating the 20.04 cis hardened aws image with a custom network interface
[10:41] <phocking> i can get into it from ssm, but it just denies all the traffic inbound - but can ping wan/lan
[10:41] <phocking> it doesn't do this when instantiating with a default network adapter, but then i can't pick the ip on the vpc
[10:41] <phocking> any thoughts?
[10:41] <phocking> just would like to know where to start looking
[10:52] <Kalarumeth> hey to day my Ubuntu20.10 failed loggin in AD realm and trying to permit --all access it doesn't work, but if i set permit for single account it work. How i can fix to permit login at all ad user?
[10:56] <magic_ninja> what's that damn shortcut to edit your command in a text editor?
[10:56] <Fin3> @Kalarumeth, hi man got the same issue, anyone else?
[11:06] <tsujp> !hle
[11:06] <tsujp> !hwe
[11:07] <tsujp> ho boy no graphics drivers for my 6800xt on 18.04
[11:07] <tsujp> lets hope hwe saves me
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | tsujp see also
[11:12] <tsujp> okay shall try it out brb
[11:15] <tsujp> no change, pretty sure it's just not got the drivers. radeon 6000 supported on kernel 5.4? I did HWE and the kernel I have now is 5.4, is the highest offered by it?
[11:18] <Intelo> in x11 forwarding via ssh, does the client needs to install all the apps that are in server?
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: sudo lshw -C video to check if driver loaded
[11:21] <tsujp> any particular field from that output? It does produce output
[11:21] <tsujp> lotuspsychje
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: at bottom should show driver=...
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> or if card says unclaimed, its not loaded
[11:22] <tsujp> no `driver`, it does say unclaimed
[11:22] <tsujp> im downloading this currently: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-6000-series/amd-radeon-6800-series/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt
[11:23] <tsujp> for Ubuntu 18.04.5 HWE
[11:23] <tsujp> how can I verify I'm on HWE?
[11:23] <Intelo> what happens if I run something that is not on client but on server
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: ^ current hwe kernel for 18.04
[11:28] <sub526> Hi , when I tried to uninstall the package via "sudo apt-get remove <pkg>" i'm getting the error "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)"
[11:29] <sub526> So I ran "sudo apt-get -f install", but it fails with "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" -  how to solve this issue?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> sub526: unmet dependencys usualy means you have external ppa's conflicting with apt, is that your case?
[11:32] <sub526> lotuspsychje: not sure, how to verify this?
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> !sources | sub526
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> when other sources show up other then the vanilla ubuntu ones
[11:38] <sub526> lotuspsychje: Yes, my system is configured to download the packages from other sources.. How to solve unmet dependencys in this case?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> sub526: first get rid of your external ppa's with !ppapurge to get your sources back to the vanilla ubuntu ones
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:11] <rongx1an> Has fceux been replaced by other programs?（20.10）
[12:27] <Deano59> stop BluesKaj!
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> can we help you Deano59 ?
[12:28] <Deano59> yeah, lotuspsychje - tell BluesKaj to go to #ubuntu-offtopic... thanks.
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> not a topic for here Deano59 ubuntu support issues only here
[12:28] <Deano59> exactly my point.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> and in the meantime you're filling the chat with unwanted comments Deano59, get a life.
[12:31] <Deano59> nou.
[12:32] <Deano59> just stop with the "hi folks" and everything will be better. like lotuspsychje said, this IS A support channel. you want to greet, use #ubuntu-offtopic.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> you have no common courtesy
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> lets discuss this in #ubuntu-discuss Deano59 not here
[12:52] <OnkelBlade> HI all
[12:52] <ajshell1> Hi
[12:52] <OnkelBlade> how to see the available list of version for a pacakge?
[12:53] <OnkelBlade> I mean to install it with apt-get
[12:53] <OnkelBlade> I need to install one of the previous versions of a package
[12:53] <ajshell1> What exactly do you mean? Do you mean a package that has multiple versions in the repositories? Like node?
[12:54] <OnkelBlade> ajshell1: no, it's hplip. The latest version is totally broken. I need to try out some old ones
[12:54] <remline> OnkelBlade: apt show firefox -a (to see all versions)
[12:55] <OnkelBlade> unfortunately there's only one version
[12:55] <OnkelBlade> the latest. It seems like -a did nothing for me
[12:56] <remline> OnkelBlade: I also see only one version. Which version of Ubuntu are you on?
[12:56] <OnkelBlade> 20.04 remline
[12:57] <OnkelBlade> trying out now some rmadison tool
[12:58] <remline> OnkelBlade: The package hasn't changed since 22 Jun 2020. Has it been broken for you all that time?
[12:59] <OnkelBlade> remline: yeah, it hasn't been working for months
[12:59] <OnkelBlade> I remember I installed it previously, but don't remember how I did it. Maybe I just downloaded it as deb
[13:00] <OnkelBlade> but I forgot to hold
[13:01] <remline> OnkelBlade: Ah, 20.10 version is from 22 Jun 2020. The 20.04 version is from 01 Apr 2020. If the 20.04 package doesn't work, you may need to try a deb/ppa/etc. as you say.
[13:02] <OnkelBlade> I cannot find now where can I download those debs directory
[13:02] <OnkelBlade> E.g. hplip | 3.17.10+repack0-5               | bionic            | source, amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
[13:06] <OnkelBlade> I'm not sure how can I download from this page: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/arm64/hplip/download
[13:06] <OnkelBlade> it seems like there should be a link, but it's missed
[13:08] <OnkelBlade> found elsewhere
[13:10] <hakumei> Hi all, I met a problem with dual-boot. I cannot access some system files (e.g. dlls, explorer.exe) of Win10 from Ubuntu. It gives "Input/output error".
[13:11] <OnkelBlade> Nah, it's not gonna work. Too uncompatible - bionic and 20.04 :(
[13:12] <OnkelBlade> damn, so irresponsible...
[13:16] <remline> OnkelBlade: Yeah, in general, there is not an easy way to mix old packages with new releases. (Unfortunately!)
[13:17] <OnkelBlade> remline: true, true... But that's expected. Because of Python version changing for example :)
[13:18] <OnkelBlade> But I just wonder at the hplip package maintainers behaviour. Not givig a f for about a yeah that they have it totally broken? So nobody on 20.04 can print and that's fine. It's still called LTS? Sorry, shouldn't be poisonus
[13:18] <remline> OnkelBlade: What problem are you having with printing? Perhaps hplip works for some setups, but not others?
[13:20] <OnkelBlade> remline: first, I run its configuration utility - hp-config which detects a printer. Then it itself launches the next utility in line - hp-plugin which should download an appropriate plugin for my printer
[13:20] <OnkelBlade> and here comes an infinite loop
[13:20] <OnkelBlade> it never actually downloads anything
[13:21] <OnkelBlade> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/1484916
[13:22] <OnkelBlade> or some other bug, I'm not sure. That one seems to be old
[13:28] <OnkelBlade> Oh my god. I withdraw all my accusations
[13:29] <OnkelBlade> it's downloading!
[13:29] <OnkelBlade> discovered that in a verbose mode. But the download speed guys... 10-20 KBytes/sec
[13:30] <remline> OnkelBlade: I do see that there are a lot of bugs active for hplip. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bugs.
[13:30] <OnkelBlade> The download source is: http://www.openprinting.org
[13:31] <OnkelBlade> we should support such people. They cannot provide us enough BW...
[13:31] <OnkelBlade> remline: yes, I just need to print one page and forget about it :)
[13:32] <foxbox> Printers are a pain in the rear end these days
[13:33] <remline> Yeah, I thought everything was supposed to use Internet Printing Protocol these days and magically work...? :)
[13:34] <anikras> Hi, I installed ubuntu 20 and I don't know how I have 2 panels (duplicate with Activities and calendar ) on top of my screen
[13:34] <anikras> Anyone know how can I delete one of them ?
[13:39] <remline> OnkelBlade: If you decide to investigate further, https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/gethplip may be worth a look. Evidently you can download the current HPLIP version directly from HP (although I don't know what all dependencies it installs...)
[13:55] <bumblefuzz> so, I've dual booted ubuntu and windows before
[13:55] <bumblefuzz> but I always installed windows first
[13:55] <bumblefuzz> and ubuntu's bootloader could then give me the choice between OS's
[13:56] <bumblefuzz> right now, I have an ubuntu machine that I never intended to dual boot with
[13:56] <bumblefuzz> but now I want to dual boot
[13:56] <bumblefuzz> is there a way to install Windows to the 2nd partition on my disk but still be able to boot from grub?
[13:56] <bumblefuzz> ...so that I can choose my OS at boot?
[13:57] <bumblefuzz> I don't want to install Windows and not be able to boot back to Ubuntu
[13:57] <stacey> I don't know about how windows 10 handles it, never done it with windows 10, but with previous versions of windows you could (1) install windows and see if the bootloader picks up linux and use that or (2) install grub again after the fact
[13:57] <leftyfb> bumblefuzz: https://www.techsolveprac.com/install-windows-after-ubuntu-dual/   found after typing "install windows after ubuntu" into google
[13:59] <stacey> ^ Step 3 is what I was talking about. repairing bootloader using boot disk
[14:04] <maret> Hi , I am having a problem where external software stops writting to external  SSD drive connected through USB3. After longer write it stops without clear error. I am looking at syslog, but I am not sure what to search for
[14:05] <leftyfb> maret: what is "external software"?
[14:05] <maret> leftyfb: sorry shouldb be exeternal just 3rd party software
[14:06] <maret> and it doesnt provide much of logging, so I was hoping to find extra info in syslogs
[14:07] <leftyfb> maret: what 3rd party software exactly? Do official ubuntu applications have this same issue?
[14:08] <leftyfb> maret: modern linux distributions log most things to journald these days. You should also look there
[14:10] <maret> leftyfb: chia , so its rather specific (they do a a LOT of writes on harddrive)
[14:25] <Kalarumeth> hey repost a issue find this mornig Ubuntu20.10 failed loggin in AD realm and trying to permit --all access it doesn't work, but if i set permit for single account it work. How i can fix to permit login at all AD user?
[14:31] <leftyfb> Kalarumeth: maybe try #ubuntu-server
[14:32] <Kalarumeth> @leftyfb, thanks
[14:41] <dekroning> i'm trying to enable screen sharing on Ubuntu 20.04, but when I click the enable slider, it automatically slides back, disabling it again... what am I doing wrong?
[14:41] <maret> leftyfb: so I am looking at output of journald and I am curious what I should look for possible errors related to external drive
[14:41] <maret> hmm although I guess I will just try to the same thing which caused an error and check logs live
[14:42] <leftyfb> maret: actually, I would look at dmesg for possible hardware issues
[14:42] <leftyfb> maret: you should try sysbench to run a wrtie benchmark on the filesystem to see if you can replicate the issue. It might be specific to this 3rd party application
[14:44] <maret> what about using something like hdparm ? to test the drive
[14:58] <zaffy> with the command: 'dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64k count=16K of=/path/to/drive/out.test' you can write the file out.test on the drive and see it it works fine (this ex uses 1G file size)
[14:59] <zaffy> if* it works
[14:59] <bumblefuzz> so, I uninstalled Windows, ran update-grub to remove the menu entry in the boot menu
[14:59] <bumblefuzz> now, when the PC starts, there's no boot menu
[14:59] <bumblefuzz> it just dumps me in ubuntu after a while
[14:59] <bumblefuzz> I've run sudo update-grub several times and restarted several times
[15:00] <bumblefuzz> any reason this wouldn't bring back my boot menu?
[15:03] <bumblefuzzz> it gives the error
[15:03] <bumblefuzzz> no video mode activated
[15:03] <bumblefuzzz> and
[15:03] <bumblefuzzz> can't find program 'hwmatch'
[15:03] <bumblefuzzz> but that's all grub says durign boot before ubuntu takes over
[15:03] <bumblefuzzz> there's no menu or countdown or anything
[15:04] <BluesKaj> autologin ?
[15:06] <bumblefuzzz> well, yeah
[15:07] <bumblefuzzz> but grub should come up first
[15:07] <bumblefuzzz> grub's always come first, even with autologin
[15:07] <bumblefuzzz> the grub menu isn'
[15:07] <bumblefuzzz> isn't coming up on boot
[15:07] <bumblefuzzz> I'm just getting 2 errors
[15:07] <bumblefuzzz> no video mode activated
[15:08] <bumblefuzzz> and can't find program 'hwmatch'
[15:08] <bumblefuzzz> I can't figure out how to get my grub menu back at boot
[15:14] <BluesKaj> hold left shift down after the pcmaker page
[15:16] <bumblefuzz> ?
[15:16] <bumblefuzz> for grub?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:23] <bumblefuzzz> it just stayed on the same screen longer
[15:23] <bumblefuzzz> those 2 errors
[15:23] <bumblefuzzz> no video mode activated
[15:23] <bumblefuzzz> can't find command 'hwmatch'
[15:24] <bumblefuzzz> that's all grub is now when I boot
[15:24] <bumblefuzzz> those 2 errors
[15:27] <bumblefuzzz> anyone have any idea how to get my grub menu back?
[15:32] <bumblefuzzz> 1120 people
[15:33] <bumblefuzzz> and this place is dead
[15:34] <pavlos> bumblefuzzz: change the DEFAULT_TIMEOUT to 5, update-grub, and reboot
[15:35] <pavlos> bumblefuzzz: GRUB_TIMEOUT
[15:35] <bumblefuzzz> I already changed it to 10
[15:35] <bumblefuzzz> it doesn't do anything
[15:36] <pavlos> bumblefuzzz: set grub_timeout_style=menu
[15:36] <bumblefuzzz> that's one of the first things I tried
[15:36] <bumblefuzzz> timeout style... lemme check
[16:23] <remline> Why does the xserver-xorg package depend on python3-apport?
[16:24] <dekroning> is it possible to login to the same desktop settings with RDP/VNC , as if you logged in via the desktop it self?
[16:25] <oerheks> remline, because :  python3-apport;  Python 3 library for Apport crash report handling
[16:26] <oerheks> don't say you want ubuntu without python :-D
[16:27] <remline> No, but I do want ubuntu without apport. :)
[16:28] <oerheks> remline, good luck then
[16:29] <leftyfb> dekroning: look into x11vnc
[16:29] <dekroning> leftyfb: thanks!
[16:30] <Kisama> hi
[16:32] <remline> oerheks: I just don't see the intimate connection between xserver and crash reporting?
[16:32] <dekroning> leftyfb: do you know why xrdp creates a new desktop environment?
[16:32] <ioria> remline, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1773087
[16:36] <remline> ioria: Thanks, the key phrase seems to be "xserver-xorg now has an apport hook". Interesting!
[16:37] <ioria> remline, yep, looks like it
[16:40] <leftyfb> dekroning: no, I don't use RDP. T
[16:43] <agvantibo> Test (sorry)
[16:45] <leftyfb> agvantibo: there is an unlimited amount of channels you can join or create to test IRC. This support channel isn't one of them
[16:45] <oerheks> try #test
[16:46] <agvantibo> Oerheks, thank you!
[16:53] <dekroning> leftyfb: thanks, I just installed x11vnc and it works! :-)
[16:53] <dekroning> leftyfb: now just need to find a way to reliably start it after boot :)
[17:44] <pavlos> dekroning: this may help, https://jasonschaefer.com/setup-x11vnc-server-with-systemd-auto-start-up/
[17:47] <oerheks> i miss After=network.target
[17:49] <oerheks> https://gist.github.com/lightrush/e6c3310fd0795b03f19daa40abf674e1
[19:12] <hggdh> oerheks: are you aware that network.target does NOT mean network is available?
[19:19] <oerheks> hggdh, yes? but that example gives 'After=multi-user.target network.target
[19:20] <oerheks> AFAIK that would ensure networking is on
[19:20] <hggdh> oerheks: yes... this is a known, erm, issue. If you want network to actually be available, you should state "After=network-online.target"
[19:20] <hggdh> prolly also "Wants=netowrk-online.target"
[19:21] <oerheks> oke, thank you.
[19:21] <hggdh> oerheks: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/
[19:21] <oerheks> that was my 1st thought, but found this example
[19:21] <robertparkerx> what version of znc is installed with 20.04
[19:21] <oerheks> !info znc bionic
[19:21] <oerheks> not installed, available
[19:22] <oerheks> oops focal ...
[19:22] <oerheks> !info znc focal
[19:22] <robertparkerx> ty
[19:22] <dada513> Im using znc right now lol
[19:55] <maret> hi, i've connected to ubuntu trhough command line and I want to get path to itnernal drive. I rush lsblk  there is no mountpoint. do I have to first mount it to /media/ ?
[19:55] <matsaman> maret: you have to mount it _someplace_
[19:56] <maret> matsaman: is mounting done automatically by GUI?
[19:56] <matsaman> if you want to do it manually, with 'mount' or 'ntfs-3g' or the like, my personal preference is the exceptionally traditional /mnt/foo
[19:56] <matsaman> auto-mounting may well use /media/ or /run/media/, etc.
[19:56] <sarnold> maret: udisks2
[19:56] <maret> why its not automounted, btw this is Ubuntu based distro on my personal pc which I access through ssh
[19:56] <matsaman> auto-mounting by default is dumb, that's why
[19:57] <matsaman> you can configure that if it's your preference
[19:57] <sarnold> automounting is not a popular choice among server operators
[19:57] <oerheks> why would it automount..
[19:57] <maret> so what does GUI do, to make it accessible? Are they mounting it on start ?
[19:57] <matsaman> "some" OSes automounted external media by default for a long time
[19:57] <oerheks> on the desktop you would see an icon.
[19:57] <oerheks> still not mounted
[19:57] <matsaman> maret: you have to have a user interaction in the GUI
[19:57] <sarnold> maret: no, mounting happens on events
[19:58] <matsaman> it's one action that makes it not 100% automatic, and much safer
[19:58] <matsaman> by default, anyway
[19:58] <maret> sarnold: ou I see so GUI basically run mount when I for example try to access the drive ?
[19:58] <ELFrederich> hi, I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 as my desktop.  When I run "vi ~/.whatever.cfg" I don't get any syntax highlighting, but on the Ubuntu machine I launched in AWS I do.  What package do I need to install to get this?
[19:58] <matsaman> maret: if you had a symlink to the drive mount point? No I doubt it
[19:59] <matsaman> you'd have to actually click on the drive name, in the list of volumes
[19:59] <matsaman> ELFrederich: try using 'vim' instead
[19:59] <maret> sure so if I open the drive trhough gnome what happens? Does it mount it ?
[19:59] <matsaman> maret: most likely yes
[19:59] <matsaman> maret: click the drive name and if you can access it, it'll show up in 'mount'
[19:59] <ELFrederich> matsaman, I see they're both actually using vim via symlinks.  One is vim.tiny and the other is vim.basic
[20:00] <matsaman> ELFrederich: yes vim provisions a cut-down and more vi-like version
[20:00] <ELFrederich> matsaman, what is the proper way to enable vim.basic instead of vim.tiny?
[20:01] <matsaman> ELFrederich: is using 'vim' instead of 'vi' not doing that?
[20:01] <ELFrederich> I'll install vim
[20:01] <maret> why is mounting drives automatically bad idea? I want to use them after start (I want my script to store data there)
[20:02] <ELFrederich> update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/vim.basic to provide /usr/bin/vi (vi) in auto mode
[20:02] <ELFrederich> matsaman, installing vim fixed that
[20:02] <matsaman> maret: because what if you have your system configured to auto-run things
[20:02] <matsaman> maret: there are thousands of possible variables to account for
[20:02] <matsaman> maret: but if it's a drive -you- know and trust, and use regularly, go ahead and configure it
[20:03] <matsaman> maret: it's bad for the _default_ behavior of the OS to be to automount, that's all
[20:03] <matsaman> ELFrederich: good then?
[20:03] <maret> yeah its literally 2nd internal drive of my PC
[20:04] <matsaman> maret: add it to fstab with the auto param
[20:04] <sarnold> maret: there are probably hundreds or thousands of bugs in kernel fileysstem drivers that can be reached by mounting a filesystem
[20:04] <sarnold> maret: automounting filesystems exposes all those filesystem drivers to whoever can supply a usb stick
[20:05] <oerheks> if that drive is dirty/contains errors, then mounting could be an issue
[20:05] <sarnold> maret: this is one of the reasons why server admins don't want automount -- they also don't want someone walking past their machines to be able to mount new executables or device nodes etc into the filesystem, but that'd also require having some level of control over processes on the system
[20:05] <sarnold> maret: but mounting a filesystem with constructed maliciousness in it potentially allows attackers to execute code directly in the kernel without any interaction at all
[20:06] <oerheks> put that drive in your fstab, enough guides online howto do that
[21:09] <guzzlefry> Which package would have libopencv_text.so.3.3?
[21:10] <flrnd> libopencv?
[21:11] <oerheks> !find libopencv_text
[21:12] <guzzlefry> Well, that's not hopeful.
[21:12] <flrnd> have you tried: apt search libopencv :P
[21:13] <oerheks> opencv maybe?
[21:15] <leftyfb> guzzlefry: Ubuntu 18.04 has libopencv-contrib3.2 which includes libopencv_text.so.3.2. Ubuntu 20.04 has libopencv-contrib4.2 which includes libopencv_text.so.4.2
[21:15] <leftyfb> guzzlefry: there are no supported versions of ubuntu that have packages containing libopencv_text.so.3.3
[21:35] <V|A> hi there
[21:35] <V|A> how do i go about installing an app as non root?
[21:35] <V|A> all the howtos i see start with  "sudo ...
[21:36] <sarnold> what's your goal?
[21:36] <flrnd> first, what "app"? Is it a .deb package? a flatpack? a tar.gz with statick linked lins?
[21:36] <V|A> it was a general question flrnd
[21:36] <flrnd> s/lins/libs
[21:37] <V|A> be it from repository or having the app binary local. how do i instal las non.root ?
[21:37] <flrnd> depends, I have a .local dir where I uncompress tarballs from specific pieces of software. Like android studio, android sdk, flutter sdk. etc
[21:38] <V|A> uncompressing doesnt help me
[21:38] <flrnd> you can't install non.root from repos
[21:38] <flrnd> easy as that
[21:38] <V|A> sarnold: my goal is to install applications as non-root, glad you asked! <3
[21:39] <V|A> ic flrnd. so does the difference lie in execution ?
[21:43] <sarnold> V|A: aha! then you can download or compile whatever you want and stuff it into your ~/bin directory
[21:43] <V|A> no i cannot im new to linux, if i could i wouldnt be askign for support ._.
[21:44] <V|A> i have hexchat running in snapd/ well its installed in this directory
[21:44] <V|A> i was told its not smart to run as sudo and i agree but i never intended to
[21:47] <sarnold> sure, but if you have sufficient privileges on the system and want to install an application that's been packaged for you already, using those privileges to install the package for all users on the computer can make sense
[21:47] <sarnold> if you don't have adminstrative privileges, then you can install and run things from your home directory
[21:47] <V|A> only one user here
[21:49] <V|A> think i understand the implications of runign something from amore restricted directory, im just wondereing if the implicaitons of using sudo end with instlaling?
[21:49] <V|A> cause it doesnt need to be executed as sudo .
[21:49] <V|A> but idk
[21:49] <sarnold> V|A: the usual pattern is to install a new application with sudo and then use it as your user
[21:49] <V|A> i see yes makes sense tx
[21:49] <sarnold> V|A: you can generally trust anything in the ubuntu repositories, nearly everything came from debian, and tens of millions of people use these things
[21:50] <sarnold> V|A: but when you add ppas or other repositories to your system, you're giving those systems root control over your computer
[21:50] <V|A> yep
[21:50] <oerheks> Why would we give help with installing as non-root?
[21:51] <V|A> why would you oerheks ! here have a cookie <3
[21:52] <oerheks> your complaint 'i was told its not smart to run as sudo' for hexchat is right, but installing needs sudo. period.
[21:52] <V|A> flrnd already clarified that for me
[21:53] <V|A> what does "snapd" do .. is snapd always root? cause thats the message i got
[21:55] <oerheks> is this about hexchat running as root - errors?
[21:55] <V|A> no it is not. when have i mentioned hexchat FFS ?!
[21:55] <V|A> jeesus
[21:55] <V|A> i just love ppl making implications and assumptions
[21:55] <sarnold> Tue 23 21:44:27 < V|A> i have hexchat running in snapd/ well its installed in this directory
[21:56] <V|A> yeap
[21:56] <oerheks> V|A, you are already banned in other ubuntu channel(s), so behave
[21:57] <V|A> oerheks really? hope youre fmailiar with what happend in those "other channels" im banned
[21:58] <V|A> im trying to find out how to install/run apps as non root as it was pointed out to me that hexchat, which i have installed via snapd (or so i think) runs as root or so
[21:58] <V|A> and i never intended to run general apps as non-rot
[21:58] <V|A> root*
[21:59] <V|A> and dont worry, i will just be one of the other allies you lost because your community is just quite hostile @ oerheks so no worries there
[21:59] <matsaman> V|A: I'd just avoid snaps TBH
[22:00] <matsaman> hexchat should be available as a regular package
[22:01] <V|A> i dont care about hexchat at this poitn before i have looekd at the code or compile it myself
[22:06] <frad> somebody here suggested I use mkvmerge to trim video files. Is there a command to do exactly that but with flac files? I don't want to change the size of the file or los information, so audacity is not what I need
[22:10] <oerheks> flacsplt http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man1/mp3splt.1.html
[22:11] <oerheks> or audacity..
[22:12] <sarnold> I've used dd for that task before
[22:14] <YoungChiefBTW> hey
[22:28] <frad> I take it that dd and flacsplt do exactly the same?
[22:28] <oerheks> i have no clue how dd could do that..
[22:29] <oerheks> sarnold ?
[22:32] <sarnold> oerheks: you guess at some numbers, play your song, and if it cuts off too early, make it bigger, if it cuts off too late, make it smaller. binary search your way to the cutoff that you want. :)
[22:33] <plufz> Hi! I know very little of gui linux. I’m trying to get a graphics card working (nvidia 1080 ti). I’ve used the closed source drivers and I get error messages from what it seems all apps that try to use the gpu. I get different error messages, often about missing extensions:
[22:33] <plufz> blender
[22:33] <plufz> Xlib:  extension "XInputExtension" missing on display ":0".
[22:33] <plufz> glxinfo
[22:33] <plufz> Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig.
[22:33] <plufz> Any tips of what this means would be helpful. Having trouble googling it.
[22:41] <frad> actually I may be doing this wrong: after using audacity to trim one silent second, size if the file saved as ogg is 33% of the original size. Have I lost audio data?
[22:41] <frad> it sounds the same to me, but so does flac and 320 bit mp2 files
[22:41] <frad> mp3*
[22:41] <frad> of the saved file*
[22:43] <oerheks> i think you need to export it as flac? not save as
[22:43] <frad> oerheks, I dont see that option
[22:44] <frad> found it, but now th file is 200% the original size
[22:49] <kk4ewt> https://opensource.com/article/17/6/ffmpeg-convert-media-file-formats
[22:54] <frad> can you help me understand this syntax? mp3splt [OPTIONS] FILE1 [FILE2] ... [BEGIN_TIME] [TIME] ... [END_TIME]
[22:54] <frad> my command: mp3splt -s '01 - Heart'.flac output.flac ... 00:01-EOF
[22:55] <frad> I dont need to add [] to each part, right?
[22:55] <frad> and what do I do with ...?
[22:58] <sarnold> frad: you don't type the [] cahrs
[22:59] <frad> .w cahrs
[23:02] <frad> I find it sad that the syntaxis doesn't fir the examples, which work
[23:02] <frad> fit
[23:03] <frad> in this syntax there should be [] cahrs also around FILE1, correct?
[23:05] <sarnold> in this example, the first FILE1 is *not* optional; the other files are optional
[23:05] <frad> oh, so [] means optional files, right
[23:06] <frad> where would a beginner find how to understand this syntaxis?
[23:07] <frad> and it is assumed I have to name the output file...
[23:08] <sarnold> frad: man 1 man describes some of the conventions used in manpages
[23:13] <frad> wow, so 'vlc' is an item


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 @teward001 I had to kick the bot again this morning.
[19:28] <teward> kc2bez: hmm.  betcha its the infra.  will move the bot to test infra to see if its more stable there
[20:28] <wxl> maybe it's a ping timeout issue
 The time it dropped was similar the last 2 days. Not quite enough for a pattern yet but interesting.
[20:41] <wxl> so what's the end result? does the bot leave irc?
 Yes, you can see it in the leave/joins. it stays on telegram though.
[20:43] <wxl> hm i guess the logs don't show that (and i ignore them too)
[20:43] <wxl> can you show me an example?
 The leave/join logs?
[20:44] <wxl> yeah
 ok
 standby
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/087753c0/file_1416.jpg
 That is the arabic channel
[20:46] <wxl> ok so one of them certainly was a ping time out
 Right, the other one looks like it just disconnected.
[20:48] <wxl> https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/issues/1255
[20:48] <wxl> ^ some hints at debugging too @teward001
[20:49] <wxl> here's one that apparently JUST got fixed https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/issues/1312
[20:49] <wxl> sooooo maybe we should be using master
 would be a bitch to build, but supposedly this was fixed in 1.20.x already
 Go builds can be painful :P
 okay so it SHOULD be running from git master now
 if it doesn't improve then i'll move it to the alt infra
[23:30] <teward> wxl: ^ that's master, but if it doesn't improve then we know it's an infra issue
[23:30] <teward> and it'll move ;P


[00:22] <tos_> how do i setup ubuntu Cloud!?!?
[00:31] <jmarsden> tos_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC
[01:23] <ubuntuisloved> I was wondering why certain default shell accounts like games, sync, bin, sys, lp all have /bin/sh as there shell ? why wouldn't it be restricted to no login?
[01:58] <Xpistos>  is there any reason why I can delete files over sshfs in nautilus, but not un empty folders?
[04:27] <Guest86031> ok i am trying to find out if install ubuntu server does erase ubuntu desktop
[04:28] <Guest86031> hello
[04:28] <jmarsden> Guest86031: install how?  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-server ?    Or boot from a Ubuntu Server CD and go through the installation process?
[04:28] <Guest86031> either one
[04:29] <zzz20091>  I am looking for some advice on the best way to setup a server for a group of 5-20 people retirees, geographically dispersed, therefor no local login.  we have an imap server setup using 9.10 server, we want to add shared and personal storage accessible from anywhere.  I had suggested using knowledgetree, but I was wondering if there might be a better solution.
[04:29] <Guest86031> no this is for a website that soon might have thousands of people
[04:31] <Guest86031>  jmarsden which is the best way to install the server
[04:31] <jmarsden> Guest86031: You are expecting thousands of visitors to a web site and don't know how to install the OS yet??  The best way depends on your hardware... if you have a CDROM containing Ubuntu Server, one good way to install it is to boot the server from that CD and follow the installer prompts.
[04:33] <Guest86031> ok i know how to do that part but will it erase the desktop
[04:33] <jmarsden> Guest86031: This *will* erase the hard drive(s) on your server if you let it.  It depends how you answer the questions and how the "desktop" was originally installed and partitioned.
[04:34] <Guest86031> ok so if i choose the other harddrive to install server it will be fine
[04:34] <jmarsden> How do I know, what "other hard drive"?  You have not said anything about how many drives your server has and how they are configured, so I can't guarantee anything will be fine :)
[04:34] <Guest86031> 6
[04:35] <jmarsden> And you partitioned them how?  and installed Ubuntu Desktop how, on which drives?
[04:35] <Guest86031> c
[04:35] <Guest86031> the only thing on c is ubuntu desktop
[04:36] <Guest86031> i formatted all hard drives then installed ubuntu on c drive
[04:36] <jmarsden> There is no C in Linux devices... /dev/sdc ?
[04:36] <jmarsden> C: is a Windows thing, not a Linux thing.
[04:36] <Guest86031> o
[04:36] <Guest86031> my fault
[04:37] <Guest86031> well it was the c drive
[04:37] <Guest86031> lol
[04:37] <Guest86031> forgive me im a newb
[04:37] <jmarsden> What device is it now?  Are all these drives just set up as individual drives, or is there any RAID going on?
[04:37] <Guest86031> good question
[04:37] <Guest86031> how can i find out
[04:38] <jmarsden> Newcomers who are expecting thousands of web site visitors "soon" should get paid consulting help ASAP!
[04:38] <Guest86031> no im not much of a newb just to runnin a web server
[04:39] <Guest86031> i have 5 website with 300-500 people registered
[04:39] <jmarsden> mount   # will tell how what is mounted where
[04:39] <Guest86031> but yahoo is kicking my domains out due to laggin out server
[04:40] <jmarsden> Guest86031: So you are trying to set up your own server... but still want a Ubuntu desktop install on one of its drives?? What use will the DEsktop install be to you once you boot the server?
[04:40] <Guest86031> idk
[04:40] <Guest86031> i dont really need it
[04:40] <jmarsden> Then why are you trying to keep it?
[04:41] <Guest86031> i thought i had to have for certain things
[04:41] <Guest86031> like storage for music files and such for website
[04:41] <jmarsden> For what?   Why does that need a desktop install on a spare hard drive on your server??
[04:41] <Guest86031> it dont i see that now
[04:42] <Guest86031> so i guess ill just install it and erase desktop
[04:42] <jmarsden> OK, so just back up any data you care about from that installation somewhere safe, and then boot the server machine from the Ubuntu Server CD and let it install
[04:42] <jmarsden> Yes.
[04:42] <Guest86031> thanks man
[04:42] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[04:42] <Guest86031> sorry for being a newb
[04:43] <Guest86031> 1 more
[04:43] <Guest86031> i can still use ubunto on personal computer under vmware right
[04:43] <jmarsden> You may want to read http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html to learn more about Linux, BTW
[04:43] <Guest86031> ok well thanks
[04:43] <jmarsden> On which personal computer?  The same one you are using as a server?
[04:43] <Guest86031> no
[04:44] <jmarsden> Then some other computer is not affected by what you do on the server, so ... yes, you can still run Ubuntu on some other machine under VMware or virtualbox or any other virtualization setup you want to :)
[04:45] <Guest86031> ok thanks man
[04:45] <Guest86031> later
[04:45] <jmarsden> The Ubuntu Server Guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/ is also worth reading ... have fun :)
[04:48] <ScottK> zzz20091: How would you like for these people to be able to access their information?
[04:57] <zzz20091> ScottK: thats a good question, as most of them are WXP users i had thought samba. But how secure is samba over the internet, and 2nd samba doesn't
[05:01] <zzz20091> cont - samba isn't a co-operative environment.   looking at desired functions, shared address book -- LDAP?, shared calendar -- ?, personal and shared file storage, a lot of the group travel quite extensively so WEB based access might be a 'good' idea. I am open to almost any suggestions, however I would prefer pre-built solutions as I am not comfortable with source installs.
[05:05] <ScottK> For shared address book and calendar, Google is hard to beat.
[05:07] <jla> ScottK: I for one, and there are others in the group, am not very comfortable in putting my data on to a server not in my home country, US privacy and protection laws only apply to US citizens.
[05:09] <jla> ScottK: One of the reasons for setting up our own servers is that we are mostly affiliated with a political direction which is not particularly fond of the current government!
[05:13] <ScottK> jla: are you zzz20091?
[05:13] <jla> yes, why do you ask?
[05:13] <ScottK> just making sure I'm continuing the same conversation
[05:14] <jla> I am new to IRC so I am not sure how I should set myself up, I am using pidgin, advise welcome on all subjects.
[05:28] <ScottK> It's fine, just suprised me when you switched.
[05:30] <jla> ScottK: sorry I thought the system announced nickname changes?
[05:30] <ScottK> jla: It does, but I hide them (along with joins/quits) so I can read the backlog better.
[05:30] <jla> ScottK: usefull
[05:35] <ScottK> jla: You might consider http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/sunbird/ for calendaring.  I haven't used it myself, but it is packaged.
[05:39] <jla> ScottK; i have looked at that, but from what I have heard mozzilla is probably going to drop sunbird in favour of lightning, they are trying to look and feel like MS Outlook. i think they would be better going the other way and creating separate mail/calendar/address book apps that co-operate.
[05:40] <ScottK> Unfortunately cross platform calendaring isn't such a mature area.
[05:40] <ScottK> Sorry I don't have a lot of great suggestions.  It's not something I've had to worry about in a very long time.
[05:42] <jla> Not to worry, what is your opinion on Samba across the WEB.
[05:45] <ScottK> Samba is something I've managed to totally avoid having any experience or opinions on.
[05:46] <ScottK> Mostly I use sftp.
[05:46] <ScottK> Actually I think pretty exclusively I use sftp.
[05:46] <phreezyphreaky> jla, I would not run samba across the web.  If a user needs access to files, I would have them VPN to the network and tunnel samba through that
[05:49] <jla> phreezyphreaky: I had sorta thought that might be the case. Any ideas as to how many VPNs a server could handle. The internet side is a DSL connection running at about 8M.
[05:51] <phreezyphreaky> VPN is generally okay for accessing small files.  Big files then to take a long time to open.  If they need to access big files, there are better solutions
[05:51] <jla> phreezyphreaky: i am all ears
[05:52] <phreezyphreaky> jla, I usually recommend Windows Terminal Server or Citrix (if it is a big implementation or requires additional features)
[05:53] <phreezyphreaky> jla, not sure but maybe you can do the same thing with Linux with a X11 server and clients but I'm not really familar with that
[05:54] <phreezyphreaky> jla, basically the idea here is the server gives each user a "desktop" that they can use to access files or programs on the server.  All that is transmitted between the server and the client are screen updates, keyboard strokes, and mouse movements.
[05:55] <jla> We would prefer to avoid MS products, and some of these people will be working offline while travelling
[05:56] <phreezyphreaky> Then the VPN is your best bet with some kind of offline folder sync.  Unfortunately, I'm not too familiar with those options in Linux.  Came from a predominantly Windows background
[05:58] <jla> phreezyphreaky: same here, corporate world is windows.
[06:00] <phreezyphreaky> jla, exactly.  And to tell you the truth.. for small networks, I almost always recommend Microsoft.  They are more familiar with it and less training.  Especially for remote access.  That is hard enough with Windows
[06:00] <phreezyphreaky> What OS is used to access the server?
[06:01] <ScottK> Mostly Window XP he said earlier.
[06:01] <ScottK> OTOH, this is for a political group that may have significant security concerns, so an internet facing Windows server may not be the best idea.
[06:03] <phreezyphreaky> Well an SSL-VPN appliance to handle the VPNs into the network should take care of securely accessing the internal network
[06:05] <phreezyphreaky> Found this link for syncing files from a Linux server to a Windows client: http://www.trueblade.com/knowledge/using-rsync-and-cygwin-to-sync-files-from-a-linux-server-to-a-windows-notebook-pc
[06:05] <jla> ScottK: very true, some of us fear there may be a coup etate in the near future. which might make life interesting.
[06:06] <ScottK> So you also probably want to be thinking about stuff like Tor (which is not packaged by Ubuntu because we couldn't keep the packages up to date enoug)
[06:06] <ScottK> If you have users that can handle rysync and that will meet your requirements, it's both secure and conservative of bandwidth.
[06:11] <jla> i think I have heard of TOR and if it the package I am thinking of it may not be enough, but I will take another look
[06:12] <ScottK> Tor is not sufficient for what you are thinking, but from a security perspective it may be an essential piece of the solution.
[06:15] <phreezyphreaky> Be careful with Tor.  It is encrypted but only up to when it leaves the Tor network.  It is NOT encrypted from the Tor exit point to the destination.  Also, anybody can be a Tor relay and it's possible for someone to try and hack into your information when it passes through a hacker's Tor relay
[06:15] <jla> It is the security ? that is most bothersome, when i started this quest it was just an item on the list. however as some of our number are getting worried it has come to the for.
[06:15] <phreezyphreaky> Tor is best used if you are just trying to disguise your IP
[06:16] <jla> That maybe an important service/facility
[06:18] <ScottK> Tor doesn't do anything for security in transit.  It makes it difficult to connect endpoints together.
[06:23] <jla> for the moment I am going to hope that the ideas generating the security concerns are paranoia, and put them on the back burner. That does not mean that any solution can ignore security just it does not have to rule the roost.
[06:24] <phreezyphreaky> jla, VPN is the solution for securely access services from the Internet to your internal network.  All companies use it.  Do a little research and you'll see
[06:28] <jla> phreezyphreaky: VPNs are certainly the answer to secure connectivity. doesn't answer the problem of shared address and calendar. in my initial digging I came across mention of the "hord' as a web based solution, anything known?
[06:33] <jla> I am being paged by SWMBO, have to go. zzz2002 at gmail dot com
[07:35] <danielck> posted this in #ubuntu but since I'm running server I think it might be a better idea to post it here...
[07:35] <danielck> I'm having a Locale problem - /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale show LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but "locale" command gives me an empty LANG= and the rest is just POSIX
[07:37] <danielck> running Hardy
[11:14] <eqx311> ;)
[11:46] <sabgenton> if i put ubuntu-server.seed on the ulternative install verions  will it install the server edition
[11:47] <sabgenton> exatly
[11:47] <sabgenton> exactly
[12:42] <cemc> does rsync provide an xinetd.d/rsync file? I have rsync installed, and I installed xinetd after
[12:42] <ivoks> ?
[12:42] <ivoks> rsync has its own init script
[12:43] <cemc> I mean I want to run rsync from xinetd, and on centos for example there is an /etc/xinetd.d/rsync file
[12:43] <cemc> which describes the rsync service for xinetd
[12:43] <ivoks> in ubuntu, by default, rsync is started from init script
[12:43] <cemc> I know, but I want it from xinetd. I need to write my own file for it then ?
[12:44] <ivoks> if you want it in xinetd, you can probably just copy the xinet.d/rsync file
[12:44] <ivoks> from centos
[12:44] <ivoks> just make sure that paths are correct
[12:45] <cemc> mhm
[14:56] <TDJACR> I'm trying to use IPv6 via a tunnel on a server of mine and ufw seems to block all ipv6 connections while allowing ipv4 connections to the same ports
[14:57] <TDJACR> And ipv6 is enabled in /etc/default/ufw
[15:38] <blue-frog> trying to chroot sftp on 9.04, am still having a problem of ownership apparently. has anyone some time to spare with me?
[17:32] <TDJACR> I'm trying to use IPv6 via a tunnel on a server of mine and ufw seems to block all ipv6 connections while allowing ipv4 connections to the same ports
[17:33] <jpds> TDJACR: /etc/default/ufw
[17:34] <jpds> TDJACR: IPV6=yes
[17:34] <TDJACR> Forgot to mention that I did that
[17:34] <jpds> sudo ufw disable && sudo ufw enable ?
[17:34] <TDJACR> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1371345&highlight=ufw+ipv6 might clarify
[17:34] <TDJACR> jpds: Yes sir
[17:35] <jpds> TDJACR: is there any information about ufw blocks in /var/log/messages ?
[17:35] <TDJACR>  /me checks...
[17:35] <TDJACR> Oops
[17:35]  * TDJACR checks...
[17:39] <TDJACR> [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=fe:fd:61:6b:8a:6f:00:d0:02:20:38:00:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=xx.xxx.xxx.xxx LEN=100 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=23 ID=31372 PROTO=41
[17:39] <TDJACR> That was with the HE tunnel
[17:41] <TDJACR> jpds: ^
[17:44] <TDJACR> jpds: http://pastebin.com/d17f0e2d2 <-- UFW block log
[17:51] <jpds> TDJACR: No idea, sorry.
[17:51] <TDJACR> jpds: Okay, no problem
[17:51] <TDJACR> Thanks
[19:46] <pm> Hey everybody, I have a somewhat unusual problem. I just installed the most recent ubuntu server on an old thinkpad. I need to use a rt2500 PCMCIA wireless card. I do not know how to get it to work. lspci shows the card. I have the server-thinkpad right here with me so I can try some things you suggest. many thanks
[19:58] <pm> Hey, does ubuntu karmic server have pcmcia support built in? I can see a pcmcia card via lspci. does that mean pcmcia support works?
[20:16] <qman__> pm, if it shows up in lspci, it's working
[20:16] <qman__> as for whether hot plugging will work, you can't really be sure until you try
[20:17] <qman__> run 'sudo ifconfig -a'
[20:17] <qman__> if a card by the name ra0 shows up, it's all working
[20:19] <pm> qman__, thanks, will try.
[20:20] <pm> qman__, there's just a wlan0, no ra0.
[20:22] <pm> lshw -C network tells me the network is disabled but shows a wireless interface with driver=rt2500pci which should be right.
[20:29] <qman__> pm, looks like it's working to me then, try setting it with iwconfig
[20:29] <qman__> the driver used to use the ra0 name, but then there was a bug with networkmanager not being able to use them
[20:29] <qman__> so it would make sense if they changed it to use wlan0
[20:29] <qman__> I haven't used one in years though
[20:36] <pm> qman__, iwlist scan says interface doesn't support scanning: network is down
[20:37] <pm> ifup says it doesn't know the interface
[20:37] <qman__> try doing 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 up' first
[20:37] <qman__> then using iwconfig to connect to an access point
[20:37] <qman__> it's not a permanent solution by any means, but ok for testing
[20:38] <pm> hey, now iwlist scan gives some results! thanks so far!
[20:39] <pm> can i somehow automate this 'ifconfig wlan0 up' ?
[20:39] <qman__> there is some other correct way to set up /etc/network/interfaces for wireless, but I don't know it
[20:40] <qman__> so that you auto connect to a certain wireless network
[20:40] <pm> ok, I can google for that
[20:40] <pm> thanks
[20:40] <qman__> no problem
[21:40] <blue-frog_> how to have sftp in debug mode? is it enought to launch sshd in debug mode?
[22:26] <Mike_lifeguard> I'm trying to check ssh keys on my system with ssh-vulnkey. I have openssh-blacklist and openssh-blacklist-extra installed, but I'm still getting "Unknown (blacklist file not installed)" when running sudo ssh-vulnkey -a. What should I do differently?
[22:51] <davidtre_> hello all!
[22:54] <davidtre_> I just have this cleanly installed server with 9.10 after the first update I have  grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `sil_aiaiafafaccb5', anyone knows this issue ?