[00:00] <MarkB2> The initial install has it booting from a flash drive... and apparently the internal flash memory is big enough to hold it all.
[00:01] <CodeMouse92> MarkB2: What's the *thing* in question?
[00:01] <MarkB2> It's an Intel Joule.
[00:01] <MarkB2> Joule 570x.
[00:02] <MarkB2> This thing has me running circles.  It's the way Intel ..phrases.. their instructions.
[00:03] <MarkB2> I've been at this for three days now.  Yeesh.
[00:03] <MarkB2> The RPI3 was a heck of a lot easier to get running. <sigh>
[00:08] <Orxata_> sorry guys, I'm back
[00:10] <Orxata_> tomreyn: "dpkg -l thing" says pi
[00:10] <Orxata_> but I have a small screen and I can't properly see the output
[00:10] <Orxata_> sad but true
[00:11] <wedgie> it must be hungry.
[00:11] <wedgie> Orxata_: command | less
[00:11] <wedgie> then you can scroll around to see everything
[00:11] <Orxata_> nor...
[00:12] <Orxata_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23708806/
[00:12] <Orxata_> its just unreadable!
[00:13] <Orxata_> but yeah, it still says pi
[00:16] <MarkB2> Please.. I have a request.  Here is a URL to installation instructions for ubuntu on an Intel Joule: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/intel-joule/
[00:17] <bazhang> MarkB2, snappy?
[00:17] <MarkB2> I am confused between "Ubuntu Core" and "Ubuntu Desktop".
[00:17] <MarkB2> bizhang: I am so wrapped around the axle right now...
[00:18] <bazhang> MarkB2, #snappy for help with that
  I've been there.  They see a newbie and start laughing.
[00:19] <bazhang> MarkB2, please stop with all the excessive commentary here
[00:19] <bazhang> MarkB2, holiday weekends, especially this one, are going to be slower on irc support
[00:20] <MarkB2> I'll see if someone on #snappy can give a hand with this.
[00:22] <ralex> I just got a lenovo Y700 and im testing ubuntu 16.110. However when i opened a game, the fans didnt seem to turn on. I tried installed lmsensors and fancontrol but the pwnconfig commmand didnt return any pwn-capable sensor modules.
[00:23] <ralex> trying to see the howtos for this laptop online and im not finding much.
[00:26] <Kissamos> is it possible to install ubuntu on an android device?
[00:26] <bazhang> Kissamos, there are various guides online
[00:27] <tomreyn> ralex: check the bios settings on fan control / cpu limiting (this is more a ##hardware channel topic), did you run a recent version of sensors-detect and add the kernel modules it suggested? was the CPU temperature actually elevated to a degree where fans would have kicked in?
[00:28] <ralex> tomreyn, i used the version that exists in the repos...
[00:29] <tomreyn> i see
[00:29] <tomreyn> of sensors-detect, i am guessing
[00:30] <ralex> oh i didnt see the last part of the output...
[00:31] <ralex> the guide i was using is kindof out of date compared to the version that im using :(
[00:33] <tomreyn> often the best guide is the one which comes with the software, also called a 'manual' or 'README'.
[00:36] <ralex> true.
[00:36] <pmntu> hallo everybody. Do any openvpn experts know, can I setup a a client connection to a server with just a crt file? I'm not sure if I'm chasing a red herring.
[00:37] <Phanes> hello
[00:37] <Phanes> where is the ubuntu maintainer and developer channel
[00:37] <Orxata_> hi again!
[00:37] <Orxata_> thanks for all your help, btw
[00:38] <tomreyn> pmntu: crt is short for certificate, AKA a (signed) public key. you would probably (but not necessarily) also need a secret key. it all depends on the server configuration.
[00:38] <pmntu> The dude who set it up is on the other side of the planet and is very bad at responding to emails.
[00:38] <Orxata_> I've finally fixed that annoying pi with --set-selections
[00:38] <Orxata_> I will never use dpkg again
[00:39] <Orxata_> what's the problem?
[00:39] <pmntu> @tomreyn cool, so I don't need any additional files potentially?
[00:39] <pmntu> @tomreyn +thank you:)
[00:40] <tomreyn> pmntu: maybe, maybe not. you will need some kind of secret for sure, though. be it a private key or a passphrase. as well as a username and server to login to.
[00:40] <blomstertj> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER blomstertj wxvzhahpopbm
[00:40] <Orxata_> could you repeat the question please?
[00:40] <blomstertj> woops
[00:40] <tomreyn> pmntu: welcome, also no need for @ on irc. ;)
[00:40] <tomreyn> blomstertj: it was a bad password anyways.
[00:40] <blomstertj> lol
[00:40] <Orxata_> :)
[00:41] <tomreyn> i'm serious, very bad password
[00:41] <fyrril> does mkdir automatically create a symlink now?
[00:41] <blomstertj> that was a verification code honestly
[00:41] <tomreyn> blomstertj: oh right
[00:41] <pmntu> @tomreyn I thought just one file probably wouldn't do much by itself. I have the server address. I'll go look at it some more for a bit. Thank you.
[00:42] <tomreyn> fyrril: mkdir does not create symbolic links, no
[00:42] <fyrril> hm, every new directory I create shows 2 for some reason
[00:43] <nicomachus> fyrril: how are you creating them?
[00:43] <tomreyn> fyrril: show some commands you run and the output they generate, using a pastebin
[00:43] <tomreyn> pastebin | fyrril
[00:43] <tomreyn> !pastebin | fyrril
[00:46] <leptone> im running ubuntu 16.04 on an M11X netbook. It runds great but gives me a lot of trouble connecting to WIFI networks, sometimes it sees that nextworka nd will connect, sometimes it sees the network but wont connect and some times is doesn't see the network at all.
[00:46] <leptone> today it just started not seeing or connecting to any wifi networks at all. when i go to System Settings > Network it shows that my machine is in Airplane mode. I'm able to toggle the switch but if i open and close its on Airplan mode when i come back. Also it shows a toggle for Wifi that is switched off . I can click the the toggle and it moves and then immediately moves back to the off position.
[00:47] <fyrril> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23708933/
[00:47] <leptone> has anyone see this issue before or know how i might go about trouble shooting it?
[00:49] <fyrril> I'm not sure that it hurts anything, I just wanted to know why. Some of the older folders I have are still 1, some are 3,4,5. But all the new ones are 2 for whatever reason.
[00:49] <Arturo> hey guys what do you use to share the code?
[00:50] <Arturo> what's the website?
[00:50] <wedgie> fyrril: based on your pastebin i'm not sure why you think it's creating mor ethan one directory per mkdir
[00:53] <fyrril> wedgie, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html#_links is what I was given to read earlier maybe I'm misinterpreting it
[00:54] <wedgie> fyrril: what does that link have to do with mkdir?
[00:56] <fyrril> well, very likely nothing
[00:56] <wedgie> fyrril: mkdir creates directories. ln creats links
[00:57] <fyrril> wedgie, I had asked about the number column after the drwxrwxrwx, was given that link, and have been looking for reasons they might go together
[00:57] <fyrril> theory of operation I guess
[00:59] <wedgie> oh, that's the 2 you were referring to. Wasn't clear from your earlier question
[01:00] <wedgie> fyrril: that is the number of links, or directories in side the directory
[01:01] <wedgie> fyrril: mkdir foo; ls -la foo/     you'll see that there are two directories inside your new directory: .  and  ..
[01:01] <wedgie> those two hidden directories are always there, in every directory
[01:05] <fyrril> wedgie, thanks!
[01:10] <thorsten11> evening all
[01:10] <leptone> im trying to follow this solution which says to run sudo lshw -class network and look to the "product" line to get the model number of my wifi card http://askubuntu.com/questions/762198/16-04-lts-wifi-connection-issues/768268#768268
[01:10] <leptone> when i run that command and pipe it to 'grep product'
[01:11] <leptone> my output is: product: Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak]
[01:11] <leptone> if i look here: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/centrino/centrino-wireless-n-1000-brief.html
[01:11] <leptone> there is a downloadable PDF that lists a bunch of model numbers for this card
[01:11] <leptone>  does anyone know how i figure out which one i have on my machine?
[01:11] <leptone> does it matter if i put the wrong one?
[01:20] <zzo38> It seems that Exim is using "mboxo" format while Heirloom-mailx is using "mboxrd" format. How can I make Exim to also use "mboxrd" format?
[01:20] <leptone> how can I find out which Centrino Wireless-N 1000 WiFi card (which for the four possible model numbers) I have on my machine?
[01:22] <zzo38> Also, why does it cause a kernel panic when I turn on the printer? It did not used to do that, and I have not changed the operating system.
[01:23] <oaulakh> does anyone knows about ubuntu bash in windows 10?
[01:24] <zzo38> I have heard of it; I do not know much about it.
[01:26] <oaulakh> i dunno why i can't install packages properly on windows bash
[01:27] <oaulakh> i tried to install gulp it says gulp not found after even i install it with "npm install -g gulp" but still bash can't fount it
[01:31] <tomreyn> leptone: sudo lspci -knnv | grep -iA15 Wireless
[01:31] <tomreyn> put it on a pastebin
[01:32] <tomreyn> !pastebin | leptone
[01:32] <cfoch_> Hi, I have a $HOME/opt/ directory where there I have installed gstreamer with meson+ninja.
[01:32] <tomreyn> oaulakh: /join #ubuntu-on-winpows
[01:32] <cfoch_> I have done: "export PATH=/home/fabian/opt/:$PATH"
[01:33] <tomreyn> oaulakh: /join #ubuntu-on-windows  << typo fixes
[01:33] <leptone> tomreyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23709115/
[01:33] <cfoch_> But if I put " whereis gst-launch-1.0" I get "gst-launch-1: /usr/bin/gst-launch-1.0"
[01:33] <cfoch_> why? shouldn't it be /home/fabian/opt/usr/bin/gst-launch-1.0 ?
[01:34] <pie> Hi everyone! I need a quick tip: is it possible to reinstall grub using the installation CD?
[01:35] <oaulakh> tomreyn, k thanks bro
[01:35] <leptone> tomreyn, mean anything to you?
[01:35] <tomreyn> leptone: "8086:0083" and "8086:1325" are your device IDs, searching the web for them (maybe related to Linux / Ubuntu / Debian) should yield some results.
[01:36] <cfoch_> nvm
[01:36] <tomreyn> pie: you can install the version of grub which comes with the installation cd using the installation cd.
[01:37] <tomreyn> sudo grub-install <targetdevice>
[01:37] <pie> is there an option to do just that? I want to preserve the existing disk partition and operating systems on the drive...
[01:38] <pie> ahh, ok
[01:38] <pie> Grub was there, working fine. Then windows messed things up...
[01:39] <pie> It's an efi system.
[01:42] <leptone> tomreyn, awesome thx for the help! look like it must be this one https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Intel_Centrino_Wireless-N_1000_(112BNHMW)
[01:42] <leptone> ?
[01:44] <plgnet> hello?
[01:45] <leptone> im trying to write to this file /etc/pm/config.d/config
[01:45] <leptone> as per this suggestion http://askubuntu.com/a/768268
[01:45] <leptone> but im getting this error "/etc/pm/config.d/config" E212: Can't open file for writing
[01:46] <leptone> any reason i shouldn't run vim with sudo and try again, will that even work?
[01:51] <tomreyn> ... i'm 3 minutes late
[02:15] <Orxata_> leptone
[02:15] <Orxata_> ops
[02:19] <Orxata_> Fair Fox as a suggested name for 20.04 :D
[02:30] <tomreyn> leptone: welcome back
[02:30] <tomreyn> any progress?
[02:32] <xangua> So I'm having an issue, both in Lubuntu and Xubuntu, the screen stays off after suspend
[02:33] <xangua> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1303736 have tried from using xscreensaver instead of light DM, disable open/close lid actions, it will suddenly work but then after restart doesn't work again
[02:34] <nicomachus> xangua: did you try disabling lock on suspend?
[02:34] <xangua> Instructions from the Xubuntu blog to "fix" this issue won't work either
[02:34] <nicomachus> or, when it happens, are you able to get TTY and then restart lightdm?
[02:35] <xangua> nicomachus: no, the screen stays off
[02:35] <nicomachus> and you tried the PPA?
[02:35] <xangua> nicomachus: I tried blindly but didn't seem to have effect
[02:35] <xangua> nicomachus: I'm using 16.04, that PPA is for 14.04
[02:37] <xangua> I also set to only lock screen when close the lid, but when computer suspends it won't turn on the screen
[02:43] <xangua> Waiting for the auto suspend to kick in (Xfce power won't let me put it lower than 16 minutes)
[02:45] <highway> i hope its okay to ask, is their a emulator to play android games on ubuntu? on pc
[02:51] <slavka`> hey guys... on ubuntu 14.04 here... have a issue where i  can resolve our internal host with nslookup but get `unable to resolve...` error when trying to get it with wget... full output >> http://pastebin.com/Cn7LFCWF ... if anyone has a minute to help would be appreciated
[02:52] <nchambers> slavka`, #wget maybe?
[02:52] <slavka`> nchambers: the thing is i cant view it through the browser either so i thought it wasnt wget specific
[02:53] <nchambers> well yes, it would be great to mention that :p
[02:53] <slavka`> sorry, my bad
[02:54] <slavka`> ping fails with `unkown host... `
[02:55] <nchambers> what are your DNS servers
[02:56] <xangua> So Lubuntu finally suspended, pressed a key but the screen stays off (not blank)
[02:57] <slavka`> nchambers: also im running this ubuntu via vm
[02:57] <slavka`> how do i get a list of dns servers... sorry im still learning
[02:57] <nchambers> cat /etc/resolv.conf
[02:57] <slavka`> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:58] <nchambers> and is that the server that has the record?
[02:58] <slavka`> nope, the server that has the record is  <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:59] <nchambers> well thats probably your problem
[02:59] <slavka`> so, how is nslookup resolving it then ?
[02:59] <nchambers> no clue
[03:00] <nchambers> try clearing your DNS cache
[03:04] <slavka`> yeah... no go there
[03:04] <slavka`> bummmer
[03:04] <slavka`> i suppose i gotta just add an entry to hosts file
[03:12] <IamKrilcov> what is the most secure irc client?
[03:12] <nchambers> thats a bad question
[03:12] <nchambers> IRC isn't a secure protocol
[03:13] <IamKrilcov> what is?
[03:14] <Jq_> hi
[03:14] <Jq_> I would like to ask regarding on samb a
[03:19] <IamKrilcov> Can you suggest a printer to purchase that will work with ubuntu?
[03:21] <nicomachus> !printers | IamKrilcov
[03:23] <IamKrilcov> !printers
[03:23] <maddawg3> imbezol, there are way too many to list lol
[03:24] <maddawg3> i have an officejet x476dw love it
[03:24] <maddawg3> pretty good for an inkjet
[03:26] <nicomachus> HP is generally good.
[03:26] <nicomachus> plug and play
[03:35] <nano> 大伙好啊.
[03:35] <nicomachus> !cn | nano
[03:40] <sadnaked> hi, im trying to bridge two networks with lubuntu by setting the ipv4 settings of ethernet to "shared to other computers" and plugging a router in there, right now it kind of worked? but i can only access through 1 device, the rest are "trapped" in second router's network
[03:40] <sadnaked> i wanted to know if i was going for it the right way or it just fluked-worked and im supposed to be doing it differntly
[03:42] <wedgie> second router?
[03:42] <wedgie> having a hard time picturing your setup
[03:43] <sadnaked> sorry, lubuntu connects to router 1 wireleslly, then is connected to router 2 with an ethernet cable, device 1 (the one which "just works") is connected wirelesly to router 2
[03:44] <AndroUser> Trying to resolve a cursor problem. Writeup at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=5648007#post5648007
[03:46] <wedgie> sadnaked: i see. So you have multiple computers connected to router 2, but only 1 of them can reach the internet?
[03:48] <sadnaked> wedgie yep, the others are "trapped" in router 2
[03:50] <django_1> whats a good package for making PPT?
[03:51] <sadnaked> wedgie i look around and i saw several posts of people who got it working by editing the ipv4 settings, so i went that way, but then i realized that most of them were connecting just 1 device through it, so i figured i should ask here
[03:51] <wedgie> sadnaked: not sure. I would expect it to either work for all devices or for none. Only 1 device working seems strange
[03:51] <Sweepyoface> Does anyone know how rdiff-backup will behave if a full backup is restored to the dir it's ran on?
[03:52] <Sweepyoface> not sure the best course of action here
[03:52] <wedgie> sadnaked: cause i'm assuming that router2 is natting, so you can't tell the difference between the various source devices by IP anyhow
[03:52] <Sweepyoface> will it just keep working?
[03:55] <sadnaked> wedgie its as if there were two different networks going on, for example, from the working device i can't access router 2 admin page, but i can through the others
[03:55] <sadnaked> i also nmaped it and they are not showing up there
[03:55] <wedgie> sadnaked: do the working device and the non-working devices get IP addresses on the same subnet?
[03:55] <oldocbrown> "This is a test, this is only a test. If this had been a real emergency, you would have been creamed by now." - Ziggy
[03:57] <Sweepyoface> any ideas?
[03:58] <sadnaked> wedgie, no, non-working devices are getting 192.168.0.* and the working one has a 10.42.0.*, also those directly connected to router 1 have a 192.168.1.*
[03:59] <wedgie> sadnaked: well that sounds all wrong.
[03:59] <wedgie> where's that 10.42.0.x coming from?
[04:00] <wedgie> what's the IP of your ethernet interface on your lubuntu box?
[04:02] <sadnaked> wedgie, i just got into router 2 admin interface, and changed its ip to <IP_ADDRESS> and deactivated dhcp, now i have internet on all of them but they all have 10.42.0.* ips on the three of them
[04:02] <wedgie> sadnaked: so is your lubuntu box providing dhcp?
[04:02] <sadnaked> wedgie its <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:02] <sadnaked> i think it is
[04:03] <wedgie> ok, so it's all working now?
[04:04] <sadnaked> yep, it ended up being a rather stupid question, but you helped me think shit through, is there any way i can have router 1 providing dhcp?
[04:04] <sadnaked> thanks a lot
[04:05] <wedgie> sadnaked: not without getting more complicated than you probably want to. Quit while you're ahead if it's working :P
[04:07] <sadnaked> wedgie lol, if i can access the 192.168.1.* range through the 10.0.42.* devices then im ok, and it seems so, thanks a lot!
[04:16] <Guy1524> hey guys, I installed the apache2 package on ubuntu 16.04, put a file in /var/www/html/, did chmod 777 on it, but when I try to access it gives a 403 forbidden error
[04:17] <Guy1524> what do I do?
[04:18] <TheNH813> I installed a new GPU (NVidia GT 740) and games start MUCH slower then with the APU internal graphics. Same texture resolution, etc. Example: Skyrim (On WINE) takes over 40 seconds to load, when it's near instant with the internal graphics.
[04:18] <Guy1524> TheNH813: you are using proprietary driver right
[04:19] <TheNH813> No. Does it make that much of a difference?
[04:19] <TheNH813> It didn't make any difference with the AMD card I use dpreviously.
[04:19] <Guy1524> yes, noveau is terribly slow unfortunately
[04:19] <Guy1524> yes, noveau is terribly slow unfortunately
[04:19] <Guy1524> whoops
[04:19] <TheNH813> LOL double posting happens to the best of us. XD
[04:20] <TheNH813> Ah well, at least I know the card isn't the issue. Gonna grab proprietary drivers then.
[04:20] <Guy1524> anyway, radeon (the open source amd driver) is much closer to proprietary driver speeds
[04:20] <Guy1524> however noveau is much worse because nvidia doesn't document their hardware at all
[04:20] <nullbyte_> TheNH813: just use it from www.amd.com
[04:20] <Guy1524> and so development is extremely slow and difficult
[04:20] <TheNH813> nullbyte_: It's an NVidia card.
[04:21] <TheNH813> Not gonna help. XDDDDD
[04:21] <nullbyte_> then from nvidia.com
[04:21] <TheNH813> Yup
[04:21] <Guy1524> nullbyte_: are you trolling
[04:21] <TheNH813> Nah, just a misunderstanding I presume.
[04:21] <Ben64> don't install drivers from the website
[04:21] <Guy1524> to get proprietary drivers, you just install the nvidia-(driver version package)
[04:22] <TheNH813> Ah, they actually have a package now?
[04:22] <Guy1524> the easiest way to do this is through the additional drivers application
[04:22] <Guy1524> its  a default application on ubuntu
[04:22] <TheNH813> Last I used proprietary was on 12.04, and it didn't exist int he repos.
[04:22] <Guy1524> just search for it
[04:22] <Guy1524> ya, its really useful, just select the proprietary option, and click apply changes
[04:23] <TheNH813> Nice! They actually made the Additional Drivers application usefull. I see there's a microcode update for my processor too. Might as well switch that option on as well.
[04:24] <TheNH813> Thanks for the info.
[04:24] <Guy1524> np
[04:25] <Guy1524> anyone know the best way to just get a webserver up and running to put a file onto in ubuntu
[04:25] <Guy1524> when I install the apache2 package everything is 403 forbidden
[04:25] <Guy1524> well, actually, index.html works
[04:26] <Guy1524> but my softlink that I put in
[04:26] <Guy1524> doesn't
[04:26] <Ben64> maybe it doesn't follow symlinks by default
[04:27] <pq_pq> check file permission
[04:30] <dada_cetacean> does anyone here have experience getting the wifi drivers to work on an HP pavilionx x360
[04:30] <Guy1524> i've checked file permissions
[04:30] <Guy1524> it just wont work for symlinks
[04:34] <Guy1524> what do I do guys?
[04:35] <nicomachus> dada_cetacean: what's the issue?
[04:35] <dada_cetacean> nicomachus, when i do an rfkill list all, i only see a soft-blocked acer-wireless module
[04:36] <dada_cetacean> no phy0 or hp-wireless or anything
[04:36] <dada_cetacean> this machine also doesn't have an ethernet port, so i'm waiting on a dongle to see if sudo apt-get update fixes it
[04:37] <nicomachus> dada_cetacean: can you pastebin the output of sudo lshw and link here?
[04:38] <dada_cetacean> can't, literally asking for a friend for whom i tried to set up ubuntu for christmas
[04:38] <dada_cetacean> thanks though, i'll come back when i can access the machine again
[04:54] <researcher123> hello everybody. May I request to be guided for the best Android App development tool available in Ubuntu please?
[04:59] <DevUt> Hey guys i m getting this "/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value" while compiling http://paste.ubuntu.com/23709623/
[04:59] <DevUt> and my gcc invocation http://paste.ubuntu.com/23709644/
[05:12] <otrolani> how to I delete the first 7 characters of every line in a file?
[05:18] <sruli> otrolani: you didnt find anything in google? "sed 's/^.......//' /path/to/original > /path/to/new/file "
[05:19] <MrFixIt> otrolani, try using "cut -c1-7 --complement FileName > NewFileName"
[05:24] <cfhowlett> !ping
[05:25] <glitchd> lol someones bored
[05:27] <glitchd> cfhowlett, should i find some problems for you to fix?
[05:30] <cfhowlett> glitchd, nah, I'll wait until someone eases up off the eggnog long enough to ask a *sober* question.
[05:32] <glitchd> lol no eggnog over here
[05:33] <sruli> i am trying to connect logitech k380 bluetooth keyboard to ubuntu mate 16.04, the pair is not succeding, what can i try to do ?
[05:37] <Defiance_> try googling the solution :)
[05:37] <cfhowlett> !google | Defiance_
[05:37] <cfhowlett> !bluetooth | sruli
[05:39] <sruli> cfhowlett: those instructions are for 11.04 and older
[05:55] <dand> hi
[05:57] <cfhowlett> ask your ubuntu questions, DanChapman
[05:57] <cfhowlett> dand
[05:58] <DevUt> auto compplete :P
[06:31] <Bucky> Hi, I dpkg is throwing an error when trying to configure tomcat7, could someone help?
[06:32] <Bucky> this is the only seemingly relevant error..
[06:32] <Bucky> Syntax error: Unterminated quotes string
[06:34] <Bucky> dunno if anyone is up this late but /var/lib/dpkg/info/tomcat7.config 48:  /etc/default/tomcat7: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string
[06:58] <demosthenes> !pizda Robert A. Heinlein - The Door Into Summer.epub
[06:58] <nullbyte_> !help
[06:59] <nullbyte_> !patience
[06:59] <nicomachus> !botabuse
[07:13] <faraco> hi, anyone know how to use mail util?
[07:16] <cfhowlett> !mail
[07:16] <cfhowlett> faraco, command line?
[07:17] <faraco> yeah
[07:17] <faraco> I'm stuck with mutt actually
[07:17] <cfhowlett> faraco, read the man page
[07:17] <faraco> it's something doing with mail?
[07:18] <faraco> well, thanks for the input. Bye
[07:18] <cfhowlett> best of luck
[07:18] <joci> hi everyone
[07:29] <BObbb> hi
[07:48] <kmdude344> Quick question, Can I have both LXQT and LXDE installed on the same system and use them independantly or does LXQT take over? Because I have both installed and I only have the option to use LXQT.
[07:49] <xangua> kmdude344: how did you install them? I know the Lubuntu-desktop metapackage uninstall lxqt if installed
[07:50] <kmdude344> Just the individual DE's themselves, no metapackages or nothing
[07:50] <kmdude344> just apt-get install lxde
[07:51] <kmdude344> and apt-get install lxqt
[07:51] <kmdude344> I wan't to steer clear of the lubuntu metapackage, I've had issues with it before.
[07:55] <kmdude344> Here I'll just try to purge lxqt
[07:57] <bytefire> hi, i have this systemd service: http://pastebin.com/csD5aS0m. when i run `systemctl start testunit.service` it takes up about 100% cpu all the time. but when i run the app on its own, it works normally
[07:57] <bytefire> any suggestions why?
[07:58] <bayman> can i use dpkg to install debian packages on ubuntu?
[07:58] <nicomachus> bayman: no
[07:58] <nicomachus> what package?
[08:00] <bayman> splunkforwarder deb
[08:02] <EriC^^> !info splunkforwarder
[08:12] <bayman> splunkforwarder-6.5.1-f74036626f0c-linux-2.6-amd64.deb
[08:13] <bytefire> sorry the url is http://pastebin.com/csD5aS0m (. at end was end of sentence)
[08:44] <lkthomas> anyone heard about leap second bug on Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[08:44] <lkthomas> our vendor send out warning letter about leap second handling
[08:49] <wedgie> i heard that they'll be introducing a leap second tomorrow, but haven't heard about a bug
[08:49] <lkthomas> I see
[08:50] <lkthomas> I heard it's fixed on kernel 3.2.0
[08:50] <wedgie> doesn't mean there isn't one
[08:50] <lkthomas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1020285
[08:50] <lkthomas> yeah, else everyone will be yelling around, LOL
[08:50] <wedgie> 14.04 uses a newer kernel than that
[08:50] <lkthomas> yep
[08:50] <lkthomas> sounds like we are okay
[08:54] <dax> lkthomas: yeah, this was already handled in Linux (the kernel) the first time it happened, and supported Ubuntu versions aren't affected by it
[08:55] <lkthomas> I see, thanks dax
[08:56] <lkthomas> dax, else we will be screwing around when everyone calling happy new year, LOL
[09:13] <tomreyn> lkthomas: out of interest, could you put this vendor announcement on a pastebin (you could just redact the vendor) if it's not too much work?
[09:14] <lkthomas> well, that's not in English, so
[09:15] <tomreyn> Deutsch geht auch. ;)
[09:16] <lkthomas> no, Chinese :P
[09:17] <tomreyn> even then ;)
[09:17] <lkthomas> heh
[09:17] <lkthomas> they might target for older generation of linux deployment
[09:17] <lkthomas> it just a broadcast message to everyone within the group, haha
[09:18] <tomreyn> oh ok
[09:18] <tomreyn> I remember HP sending one those days. and surely SAP (lol).
[09:18] <lkthomas> hehe
[09:19] <Toxmi> I'm trying to make bootable disk from ubuntu iso: the comand `sudo dd if=~/Desktop/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdc1 bs=4M` boot the device but nothing happen (blank screen) writing to /dev/sdc (instead of sdc1) do not boot at all and go to local OS
[09:19] <lkthomas> I am wondering how did those old Unix system survive on leap year ?
[09:19] <lkthomas> I mean leap second
[09:21] <Ben64> Toxmi: use sdc not sdc1
[09:25] <Toxmi> Ben64: with just sdc it doesn't boot at all
[09:25] <Toxmi> but with sdc1 it at least boot (however to a blank screen)
[09:25] <Toxmi> I thought it might be iso problem but I get the same results from arch and windows iso as well
[09:26] <Toxmi> So you're saying this is the right way and nothing more is needed: `dd if=TheIso.iso of=/dev/sdc` done
[09:34] <tomreyn> Toxmi: that is my understanding, but i haven't done it in a while. which ISO are you using? which capacity does the USB stick have?
[09:36] <Ben64> Toxmi: what iso you using
[09:39] <_maddy> hi, installed xubuntu 16.10 with windows on another hd, grub does not display option to boot into windows (tried running "sudo update-grub").. but I can boot into windows from bios directly
[09:39] <sruli> _maddy: what is the output of "sudo os-prober"?
[09:40] <_maddy> sruli: no output
[09:40] <sruli> _maddy: output of lsblk?
[09:41] <_maddy> lsblk displays my windows partitions
[09:41] <sruli> _maddy: can you paste teh output to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[09:42] <_maddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710436/
[09:42] <_maddy> could it be related to this uefi thing?
[09:44] <sruli> _maddy: did you install in legacy or eufi? which partition is windows? and how did you install? did you select pastitions manually? i cant see the boot partition only /boot/efi, paste the output of ls /boot
[09:45] <_maddy> sruli: I selected uefi at the installer, no I did not partition manually, installer did it
[09:45] <tomreyn> you should "dmesg -T | tail -n60 | pastebinit" as well
[09:46] <_maddy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710444/
[09:46] <rajujha373> hello guys
[09:46] <rajujha373> new to IRC here ..
[09:47] <rajujha373> hello helloo
[09:47] <tomreyn> hi rajujha373
[09:47] <tomreyn> !ask | rajujha373
[09:47] <_maddy> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710447/
[09:47] <rajujha373> sorry for that @ubottu
[09:48] <tomreyn> rajujha373: it's just a bot ;)
[09:49] <rajujha373> damn :D
[09:49] <tomreyn> _maddy: thanks, unfortunately this provides no relevant information.
[09:49] <rajujha373> hey there tomreyn :)
[09:50] <rajujha373> why is your username yellow tomreyn?
[09:50] <tomreyn> rajujha373: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[09:50] <_maddy> well, I can always use bios to boot into which OS I want if I can't fix grub.. kind of sucks but it's a workaround
[09:50] <sruli> _maddy: paste output of "sudo ls /boot/efi/EFI" and "sudo ls /boot/efi/EFI/Boot" and "sudo ls /boot/efi/EFI/Microsoft/Boot"
[09:51] <rajujha373> not till now, but i'll definately have one as i've just started using linux. and trying my hands on IRC for the first time :)
[09:51] <sruli> tomreyn: did you see _maddys lsblk http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710444/ ? boot and efi on same partition, i've never seen that before, is it ok?
[09:52] <sruli> tomreyn: sorry i meant http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710436/
[09:52] <_maddy> sruli: /boot/efi/EFI has "ubuntu", other dirs don't exist
[09:55] <sruli> _maddy: thats the problem, the efi partition you have is not the windows one, from your lsblk output i cannot see the efi partition that windows would use, i do not know how windows boots at all!
[09:55] <sruli> maybe someone else can help you
[09:56] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not actually sure, sruli, i'm not so comfortable with EFI booting, try to prevent it whenever possible.
[09:56] <_maddy> I did detach my windows hd when I wasn installing ubuntu, (just to make sure it does not mess up my windows booting), so I guess that caused this
[09:56] <sruli> the output of your lsblk is not what i would expect .. so i dont know
[09:57] <sruli> _maddy: is windows installed in legacy or eufi?
[09:57] <_maddy> sruli: not sure
[09:58] <_maddy> oh well, thanks for trying to help, I will just use bios to select OS for now, and fix it later
[09:58] <tomreyn> _maddy: did you make changes to the bios after you last booted windows, and before you noticed windows can no longer be booted (without slecting the boot device at powerup)?
[09:58] <sruli> _maddy: wait a moment
[09:59] <_maddy> tomreyn: no, don't think I did
[10:00] <tomreyn> _maddy: since you had the windows devices disconnected when you installed, run: sudo update-grub  # - maybe they're just missing on grub's configuration file.
[10:00] <sruli> tomreyn: os-prober doesnt find it.. updateing grub wont
[10:01] <_maddy> tomreyn: I've already run it a few times, it doesn't find the windows
[10:01] <tomreyn> ok, i give up then ;)
[10:01] <_maddy> but I can mount the windows partitions on linux just fine and access the files
[10:02] <sruli> i am sure you have 1 installed as legacy and other as eufi, paste output of "sudo efibootmgr"
[10:03] <tomreyn> to determine whether you're booting in EFI mode: sudo efibootmgr
[10:03] <tomreyn> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/148356/how-to-know-if-im-booting-using-uefi
[10:04] <tomreyn> oh i'm late
[10:04] <sruli> tomreyn: to me it looks like the win is installed as legacy
[10:05] <_maddy> yeah I am sure that is the problem, linux is using uefi, windows is not. http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710479/
[10:05] <dinet> we did a do-release-upgrade to 16.04 this weekend and from that reboot apache2 will not start. It complains that no mpm i loaded, is there a change in the config I have missed?
[10:06] <tomreyn> sruli, _maddy: yes this would explain the lack of windows uefi boot records on the uefi nvram storage
[10:06] <sruli> _maddy: you wont be able to get grub to see both... both have to be same.. either reinstall ubuntu as grub or reinstall win as uefi.. (i would go for both uefi)
[10:07] <_maddy> ok, not going to reinstall now, but next time I do it I'll remember this
[10:07] <sruli> _maddy: typo in my last message.. either reinstall ubuntu as "legacy" or reinstall win as uefi.. (i would go for both uefi)
[10:08] <_maddy> thanks for the help, awesome support on this channel
[10:09] <tomreyn> dinet: i haven't run into this error before. you should provide logs using a pastebin.
[10:09] <spectroway> what
[10:10] <tomreyn> dinet: also, which version did you upgrade from, 14.04?
[10:10] <spectroway> 16.04
[10:10] <dinet> tomreyn: http://pastebin.com/eTUrpu19
[10:10] <tomreyn> hi spectroway. unless you are the same person as "sinet", this question was not for you.
[10:10] <dinet> tomreyn: iirc from 14.04
[10:11] <tomreyn> sorry, dinet
[10:11] <tomreyn> "The Apache error log may have more information."
[10:11] <tomreyn> ^dinet
[10:12] <ducasse> _maddy: there are ways to convert your ubuntu install to legacy, but it's a bit of a hassle. i'm sure you can find a step-by-step guide if you google, i am on my way out so can't help further.
[10:12] <dinet> tomreyn: witch of the apache logs. cuse none of them contain anything
[10:13] <tomreyn> dinet: i would guess /var/log/apache2/error.log
[10:13] <tomreyn> dinet: it's possible there's nothing in there, however, since apache httpd didn't actually get to start up properly
[10:14] <tomreyn> dinet: also try: apache2ctl configtest
[10:14] <dinet> tomreyn: still getting: AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded.
[10:15] <tomreyn> dinet: dpkg -l apache* | pastebinit
[10:16] <dinet> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710504/
[10:16] <tomreyn> dinet: grep -ri mpm /etc/apache2/ | pastebinit
[10:17] <dinet> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710508/
[10:18] <one80> eeeee
[10:18] <one808> eee
[10:19] <tomreyn> dinet: do these files exist? /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_worker.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_prefork.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mpm_itk.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_event.so
[10:20] <tomreyn> run: sudo readlink -f /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_worker.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_prefork.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mpm_itk.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_event.so
[10:21] <tomreyn> actually, don't sorry
[10:21] <tomreyn> just ls
[10:21] <dinet> tomreyn: yes they exist
[10:22] <tomreyn> dinet: can you show: ls -l /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_worker.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_prefork.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mpm_itk.so /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_mpm_event.so
[10:22] <tomreyn> i want to make sure they are regular files, and are not outdated
[10:22] <Silver_Nice> hi
[10:23] <logins> hello
[10:23] <Silver_Nice> [logins] how are you
[10:23] <dinet> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710533/
[10:24] <logins> doing fine and dandy thank you,  just been smoking up a  storm and  fired up a lappie i havent used for over 2 years.
[10:24] <Silver_Nice> jaja ok
[10:24] <Silver_Nice> i need help
[10:24] <logins> man helps
[10:25] <logins> or --help
[10:25] <logins> or duckgo
[10:25] <logins> i need my life back, im sick of being a fscking TI
[10:26] <tomreyn> dinet: hmm so the itk module was not updated during dist-upgrade, but maybe that's irrelevant. which modules do you have enabled? ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | pastebinit
[10:26] <dinet> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710542/
[10:26] <tomreyn> !ask | Silver_Nice
[10:26] <MonkeyDust> logins  personal problems, or ubuntu problems? try a nice chatting channel for personal problems
[10:27] <logins> personal!! i feel free here
[10:28] <MonkeyDust> logins  great, but confine yourself to ubuntu questions
[10:28] <j41> logins: Maybe you could talk in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[10:28] <logins> thanks
[10:28] <logins> sorry for being a lamer
[10:29] <Silver_Nice> How can I have a bouncer?
[10:29] <Silver_Nice> psy
[10:30] <Silver_Nice> ja
[10:30] <Silver_Nice> JajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJajaJaja
[10:30] <Silver_Nice> xd
[10:30] <Silver_Nice>  xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[10:30] <tomreyn> dinet: can you show /etc/apache2/apache2.conf - it looks like it was modified manually.
[10:30] <Silver_Nice> fiesta
[10:30] <Silver_Nice>  FiEsTa !!! FiEstA !!! FiEsTuKi !!! MaRcHaAAaa Vamosssss A m0ver Esos Culito0000ssss!!!
[10:30] <dinet> tomreyn: yes I was
[10:30] <logins> DRONE lol nice handle
[10:31] <bazhang> logins, please take the chit chat elsewhere
[10:31] <logins> ok im out
[10:31] <dinet> tomreyn: priv on that onw
[10:31] <tomreyn> dinet: please discuss which configuration files were manually modified whenever you request support for a software.
[10:31] <tomreyn> dinet: i don't do private chats, but it should get more calm here now.
[10:33] <dinet> tomreyn: the link is in priv, I had a small memory that it was an email in the config
[10:34] <Silver_Nice> fiesta
[10:34] <Silver_Nice>  FiEsTa !!! FiEstA !!! FiEsTuKi !!! MaRcHaAAaa Vamosssss A m0ver Esos Culito0000ssss!!!
[10:34] <Silver_Nice>  VaMoS  ToDoS !!!  UNOooooooooooo CuliTo ala izkierda (_(_)
[10:34] <Silver_Nice>  DOOSSS CuliTo ala Derecha (_)_)
[10:34] <Silver_Nice>  TREEESSS vamos aya otra vez ala izkierda (_(_)
[10:34] <Silver_Nice>  CUATROOOOO ala derecha (_)_)
[10:35] <tomreyn> dinet: please send again, it was dropped the first time.
[10:35] <tomreyn> Silver_Nice: stop.
[10:36] <dinet> tomreyn: there you go
[10:38] <tomreyn> thanks, i'm looking at it
[10:39] <dinet> thanks
[10:41] <bhikkhusubhuti> hello I am about to edit fstab.. can I get help
[10:42] <bhikkhusubhuti> I shrunk my swap partition and now it asks me for a password every time I boot and then again for my main password.
[10:42] <Silver_Nice> fiesta
[10:42] <Silver_Nice>  FiEsTa !!! FiEstA !!! FiEsTuKi !!! MaRcHaAAaa Vamosssss A m0ver Esos Culito0000ssss!!!
[10:42] <Silver_Nice>  VaMoS  ToDoS !!!  UNOooooooooooo CuliTo ala izkierda (_(_)
[10:42] <Silver_Nice>  DOOSSS CuliTo ala Derecha (_)_)
[10:42] <Silver_Nice>  TREEESSS vamos aya otra vez ala izkierda (_(_)
[10:42] <Silver_Nice>  CUATROOOOO ala derecha (_)_)
[10:42] <tomreyn> !ops Silver_Nice
[10:43] <bhikkhusubhuti> # swap was on /dev/mmcblk0p4 during installation
[10:43] <bhikkhusubhuti> #UUID=8762e5d5-5afa-4a5f-ba7c-c5fae6936ea6 none            swap    sw              0       0
[10:43] <bhikkhusubhuti> UUID=AE73-D7EB	/boot/efi	vfat	defaults	0	1
[10:43] <bhikkhusubhuti> oh.. that does not show up nice
[10:43] <tomreyn> !paste | bhikkhusubhuti
[10:43] <bhikkhusubhuti> sorry.
[10:43] <tomreyn> thanks dax
[10:44] <bhikkhusubhuti> Here is the relevant pastbin link  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710587/
[10:45] <bhikkhusubhuti> I did a blkid and the uuid is the same.. somehow it got commented out.  (I did not do that)
[10:45] <bhikkhusubhuti> cryptoswap is the password box thing I get
[10:46] <tomreyn> dinet: i cannot spot an error on this file, but maybe it's on one of the others. i suggest you move /etc/apache* out of the way (e.g. rename them, or move them to /root/), then üpurge and reinstall all apache2* packages, then diff the default configuration files to your customized ones.
[10:46] <bhikkhusubhuti> my idea is to remove the cryptoswap line and put back the line for swap
[10:48] <tomreyn> dinet: what's strange is that dpkg still knows about apache 2.2 packages, it might suggest that your distribution upgrade did not go well / is not yet complete. you should check using: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -Vf install; sudo apt-get -V dist-upgrade
[10:48] <dinet> tomreyn: ok. so a apt-get purge apache2 ?
[10:50] <bhikkhusubhuti> ubottu, tomreyn do you have any suggestions
[10:50] <tomreyn> dinet: check the dist-upgrade status first. if this looks good, , reinstall the apache packages listed with 'ii' in the "dpkg -l apache*" output you posted earlier at http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710504/ (or can produce fresh on your system)
[10:51] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: does /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 exist?
[10:52] <bhikkhusubhuti> I have no idea.. would I find it in blkid?
[10:52] <LinuxNewbie_> hello, linux newbie here. Is Lubuntu suitable for beginners?
[10:52] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: yes. also in lsblk.
[10:53] <bhikkhusubhuti> I do not see it  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710613/
[10:53] <LinuxNewbie_> and which among is more lightweight and suitable for old laptops? lxde or lxqt?
[10:54] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: based on its name, i assume this is backed by a LVM2 logical volume which can be listed using 'lvs'. also, based on the name i assume this is a dm-crypt encrypted block device which is configured in /etc/crypttab, too ?
[10:54] <bhikkhusubhuti> I have made my installation as encrypted..I am not sure what that does.
[10:54] <LinuxNewbie_> i have a 11 year old laptop. Need to install Ubuntu on it.
[10:55] <j41> LinuxNewbie_: You might be better off with Xfce
[10:55] <bhikkhusubhuti> I do not need a swap that is encrypted.. unless this is some type of security fix..
[10:55] <LinuxNewbie_> I tried Xubuntu, but it seems to be a bit sluggish.
[10:56] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  try lubuntu
[10:56] <dinet> tomreyn: reinstalling apache now
[10:56] <LinuxNewbie_> i have installed Xubuntu 16.10
[10:56] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, sorry did not fix your name when replying
[10:56] <LinuxNewbie_> what is the difference between lxde and lxqt?
[10:57] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, is the blkid output http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710613/
[10:57] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  lxqt is still in development stage
[10:57] <LinuxNewbie_> ok. not suitable for my needs, then.
[10:57] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I dont need an encrypted swap unless it is some security thing
[10:58] <LinuxNewbie_> could debian with xfce be a litter more lightweight and faster than Xubuntu?
[10:59] <dinet> tomreyn: service apache2 start | sh: 0: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory
[10:59] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: encrypted swap makes sense as part of full disk encryption, if you plan to use this on this system. full disk encryption protects your stored data at rest (switched off or with RAM suspended to disk) against physical access.
[10:59] <LinuxNewbie_> I have Xubuntu installed on my laptop. Downloading Lubuntu now.
[10:59] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: so it is "some security thing"
[11:00] <tomreyn> dinet: did you check whether your dist-upgrade succeeded?
[11:00] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, how to undo it?
[11:00] <dinet> tomreyn: yes, now I logged in on the server again and apache starts
[11:00] <gxblary> Hi there, I had problems while updating to 16.10. The process stopped and exited very early because of bluez and I couldn't log in in the GUI after reboot. I managed to get back to normal following the steps on the relevant help page. Then the upgrade process seemed to behave normally to the end. I thought everything was allright but now some packages are missing like the update-manager, the software-center and others I couldn't
[11:00] <gxblary> list yet. Is it possible to restart the upgrade process? If not what can I do (apart from waiting for 17.04)?
[11:00] <tomreyn> dinet: why does it start now when it didn't start last time you tried?
[11:01] <dinet> tomreyn: beats me
[11:01] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I do not like typing my pwd twice to log in
[11:01] <dinet> tomreyn: now to get the vhosts to work again
[11:01] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: remove the corresponding line off /etc/crypttab
[11:02] <tomreyn> dinet: look at: apache2ctl configtest
[11:02] <bhikkhusubhuti> and the disk manager (for detecting space usage) cannot see my directories while everything else (nautilus) can
[11:02] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, thanks
[11:03] <LinuxNewbie_> hello, anybody can help me?
[11:03] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: you also need to change the entry in /etc/fstab then
[11:03] <dinet> tomreyn: now it only complains on servername
[11:03] <sruli> LinuxNewbie_: make an appointment
[11:03] <j41> !uestion | LinuxNewbie_
[11:04] <j41> !question | LinuxNewbie_
[11:04] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I commented the crypto line and then uncommented  the other line for swap as it was before
[11:04] <gxblary> !patience
[11:04] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, that was my hunch what to do.
[11:04] <LinuxNewbie_> I did ask the question, above.
[11:04] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: in /etc/fstab, replace "/dev/mapper/cryptswap1" by "UUID=8762e5d5-5afa-4a5f-ba7c-c5fae6936ea6"
[11:04] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  people enter and leave, hit the up arrow to repeat your question
[11:05] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: okay so you're set
[11:05] <dinet> tomreyn: thanks for the help, my forhead was starting to bleed
[11:05] <LinuxNewbie_> I have Xubuntu installed on my old laptop, which seems to be a bit sluggish. Any other better option?
[11:05] <tomreyn> dinet: ;) glad you worked it out
[11:06] <LinuxNewbie_> Could debian with xfce be a little faster than Xubuntu?
[11:06] <sruli> LinuxNewbie_: have you tried lubuntu?
[11:06] <LinuxNewbie_> or how is Mint xfce compared to Xubuntu?
[11:06] <EriC^^> LinuxNewbie_: i doubt that
[11:06] <tomreyn> LinuxNewbie_: lubuntu is indeed slightly more lightweight. or you could run iwthout a graphical desktop.
[11:06] <LinuxNewbie_> is lubuntu suitable for beginners?
[11:06] <dinet> tomreyn: and to top it for I had a big ANFO-detonation close by
[11:07] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, if you can just take a peek at line 13 and below http://paste.ubuntu.com/23710662/
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  yes
[11:07] <LinuxNewbie_> I am switching over to Linux from Windows.
[11:08] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, don't worry about the uuid it is the same as before
[11:08] <tomreyn> dinet: uh, hope you're doing well there.
[11:09] <dinet> tomreyn: yes I am the anfo was a tunnelconstruction, and now apache complains on forbidden access to a vhost
[11:10] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: you're set, i.e. the change you made (commenting in the previous line in /etc/fstab, and commenting out the one for encrypted swap, as you had discussed here) was and is fine.
[11:10] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: and this /etc/fstab you just posted does, too
[11:11] <one808> 有人吗
[11:12] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: ubuntu with same apps/libs loaded should be same speed as debian.  by default each (xubuntu/debian) will have different apps loaded (slightly from memory).   how much memory do you have?  also be aware if you like KDE apps that use Qt libs; they'll be slower in XFCE as it has to load libs (XFCE uses GTK+2 libs); ie. use the default apps if you're limited in ram & resources (or do your homework).  Yes Lubuntu
[11:12] <guiverc> is suitable for beginners; but taste will make you love or prefer another desktop.  my 2c.
[11:13] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, thanks I actually wrote an article long ago on askubuntu http://askubuntu.com/questions/33697/how-do-i-add-a-swap-partition-after-system-installation
[11:13] <tomreyn> dinet: if you seek assistence with it, post the configuration file again.
[11:13] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, going to reboot
[11:13] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: alright, i hope it's fixed.
[11:14] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, But I am a newbie myself.. just trying to give some stuff back.
[11:14] <LinuxNewbie_> I have a laptop that runs on Intel Celeron M single core 1.6 ghz cpu and 2 gb ram.
[11:14] <LinuxNewbie_> It is almost 11 year old.
[11:14] <dinet> tomreyn: I have the vhosts in the users homedirs
[11:15] <dinet> tomreyn: that was one of the edits in apache2.conf I had
[11:15] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: I'd recommend Lubuntu for you; but XFCE (xubuntu), or MATE should also be okay in that; but I'd not have other apps open if you like lots of tabs in your browser(s).
[11:16] <dinet> tomreyn: atleast the the server starts now, getting the vhosts to work is easier. Famous last words..
[11:16] <LinuxNewbie_> guiverc, I will try Lubuntu.
[11:19] <tomreyn> dinet: try not to edit apache2.conf if you can get around it this time. instead, create new files in /etc/apache2/{mods,sites}-available (and symlinks in {mods,sites}-enabled) and in /etc/apache2/conf.d/ as needed.
[11:19] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I booted but still needed the crypto password.
[11:20] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: went and looked; i have an equivalent laptop (thinkpad t42p; 2gb & celeron m) and personally I prefer XFCE, but also have MATE & LXDE loaded on mine (I select at login).   (I also have debian loaded on mine; but debian can be harder to install for newbies)
[11:20] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: pastebinit /etc/crypttab
[11:20] <dinet> tomreyn: got it working now
[11:20] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I do not understand
[11:21] <bhikkhusubhuti> you want that file ..let me try
[11:21] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: as a simpler & easier install - I'd still recommend Lubuntu over debian for you (even if mine has debian).
[11:21] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: that's a command you can run on your system
[11:21] <tomreyn> !pastebinit | bhikkhusubhuti
[11:21] <tomreyn> dinet: :) nice.
[11:22] <Teaboy> anyone know how to fix overscan when using a monitor via HDMI?
[11:22] <LinuxNewbie_> guiverc, I already have Xubuntu installed on my laptop. As you suggested above I'll install lxde and mate desktops on it and try.
[11:22] <bhikkhusubhuti> bhikkhusubhuti@Subhuntu:~$ cat /etc/crypttab
[11:22] <bhikkhusubhuti> cryptswap1 UUID=8762e5d5-5afa-4a5f-ba7c-c5fae6936ea6 /dev/urandom swap,offset=1024,cipher=aes-xts-plain64
[11:22] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, above line was the cat output
[11:23] <dinet> tomreyn: even if I put it in apache2.conf
[11:23] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, that is the same uuid
[11:23] <LinuxNewbie_> guiverc, thanks a lot for your help.
[11:23] <dinet> tomreyn: thanks alot
[11:24] <guiverc> Yep; but try & use the default apps for each desktop. As a beginner its confusing; ie. leafpad=lxde, pluma=mate, mousepad=xfce for simple editing. using the wrong one will cause extra libs to be loaded into memory; and slow machine a little; which can become significant as run more apps.
[11:24] <LinuxNewbie_> and btw, does lxqt have more features than lxde?
[11:24] <LinuxNewbie_> can I install lxqt also?
[11:25] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: you no longer want to use encrypted swap, so don't.
[11:25] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I did shrink the swap and that caused the problem.  It wanted me to NOT make free space before the partition, but I did it anyway.  It preferred it after
[11:25] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: i.e. comment out or remove that line, then run: sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[11:25] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  it's still in development stage, don't ask again ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXQt
[11:25] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: LxQt = LXDE using Qt libs; LXDE = GTK+2 libs; ie. default libs used are different; LxQt is newer so may have fewer for now; but is replacing LXDE.   Note the life of each distro; even-year.04 = LTS (long time support), all others are short-life
[11:25] <LinuxNewbie_> ok. won't go for it.
[11:26] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, OK  I have very little ssd space and I wanted to recover more space
[11:27] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, only one line.. commented out.. going to reboot.. cross fingers
[11:27] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: whether swap is encrypted or not won't have a relevant impact on disk space. i am aware that you reduced the size of the swap partition and created more paritionable space this way. this is not an ssd but classic NAND flash storage as found on an sdcard.
[11:28] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: it probably supported limited write cycles and as such using full disk encryptioon is a bad match for this type of storage.
[11:28] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, yes that is what I did.  I decreased my swap from 700 to 400.  I have 8gb of ram so it is not neccessary
[11:28] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I only have 13.5 right now (with the extra space)
[11:28] <LinuxNewbie_> to create lubuntu live usb with persistence, pendrive of what size is needed?
[11:29] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, so what should I do?
[11:29] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, blkid is still the same
[11:29] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: first thought = 8gb; but will depend upon how much space you need; how many apps you'll have, what you'll save. I'd prefer 16gb myself.
[11:29] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, but the eq of checksum would be different as you say
[11:30] <LinuxNewbie_> ok. I'll install it on the hard disk itself.
[11:30] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: my suggestion did not change: comment out or remove the line in /etc/crypttab, then run: sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[11:31] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, It was a good thing I stuttered.. I forgot the update part :)
[11:32] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: i see. reboot again when you're done.
[11:32] <bosko> hi
[11:32] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, making some warnings possible missing firmware. I have seen that before..when I installed the mainline (I removed the mainline)
[11:32] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, and I am on  a normal kernel
[11:33] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: those warnings should be fine.
[11:33] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, booting
[11:33] <bosko> need someone to talk im new here
[11:33] <tomreyn> hi bosko
[11:33] <rory> Don't ask to ask - Just ask your actual question (giving as much detail as possible), and wait. You may need to be patient.
[11:33] <tomreyn> !ask | bosko
[11:33] <Naurim> exit
[11:35] <bosko> wants to connect to a vpn servser needs help pls
[11:35] <LinuxNewbie_> will there be any difference between Lubuntu and Xubuntu with lxde DE installed on it?
[11:35] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, thanks.. I am back and only one pwd to type
[11:35] <LinuxNewbie_> difference in speed and responsiveness.
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  install or try it and find out
[11:36] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: very well. what this remaining password prompt is for, i do not know.
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> LinuxNewbie_  like we all did
[11:36] <rory> bosko: you can set up VPN connections in the network manager. click it then go VPN connections -> configure VPN
[11:36] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: oh it's probably your user login
[11:36] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, and the disk usage works fine too
[11:36] <rory> bosko: If it's an OpenVPN type server you need to install the  network-manager-openvpn-gnome package
[11:36] <LinuxNewbie_> my laptop has only 40 gb hdd. Can install only one OS.
[11:37] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, yes.. that is not a problem to log in once.  I am a happy customer.. who do I pay.?  Just kidding .. I am a monk and do not touch money.  so you help the world I guess
[11:37] <rory> LinuxNewbie_: you can install multiple DEs on one installation and choose with DE to use on the login screen
[11:37] <LinuxNewbie_> ok. the question was on that only.
[11:38] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: yes & no.  at login screen you'll see a gear type icon you can select to pick your desktop.  logout and change to select the other.  on menu's though you may suddenly have two editors appear (mousepad=xfce, leafpad=lxde); and picking the correct one will be faster; but hard to pick if menu says "Editor, Editor" as your options.  some DEsktops don't display app name, just function (editor) so this may be your
[11:38] <guiverc> only trip-up.
[11:38] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, thanks again.. going off.. I sometimes brows the askubuntu to see if I can help here and there
[11:38] <LinuxNewbie_> ok.
[11:39] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, to pay back to the system.. I used to be a programmer in the usa msvcpp 1994-99
[11:39] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: giving back this way is appreciated (by me personally).
[11:39] <tomreyn> i would have become a monk to regain my mental sanity then, too.
[11:39] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: i mentioned editors before; when running you can click about to see which loaded; some DEsktops provide app names; some provide function-names (eg. "editor" thus leafpad|pluma|mousepad|gedit|... for different desktops all have same function-name)
[11:40] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, I cannot program anymore though .. the tools are quite difficult.  I am a dinasour now.  Otherwise, I might help out in the foss world.
[11:40] <LinuxNewbie_> ok
[11:40] <guiverc> LinuxNewbie_: note: clicking about - i meant clicking "about" near help.
[11:41] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, many people like dhamma.org  . the free way to learn meditation.  Most of us western monks started there.  volunteer run.  I live in myanmar now.. it has been 16 years
[11:41] <tomreyn> bhikkhusubhuti: cool. we could chat more in #ubuntu-offtopic if you'd like to chat more. this channel should be limited to support really.
[11:42] <bhikkhusubhuti> tomreyn, sorry  if you want.. I will go there  now
[11:44] <LinuxNewbie_> thanks a lot guys, for the help. Leaving now.
[11:48] <John> hi all
[11:48] <John> i have a file called "demo" and a program which is supposed to compress and decompress files like demo
[11:49] <John> To test it is working correctly i want to do something like "compressor ./demo | decompressor -" and check that the output == the input
[11:49] <John> I want to check this by putting up the output of demo side-by-side to the decompressed demo
[11:49] <x-yuri> hi, does openjdk-7-jdk depends on systemd in ubuntu trusty?
[11:49] <cnnx> there's a usb adaptor for AC WIFI i wanna buy for my laptop but im not sure it will work with ubuntu
[11:49] <cnnx> how can i know for sure
[11:50] <x-yuri> http://askubuntu.com/questions/866125/does-openjdk-7-jdk-depend-on-systemd
[11:50] <cnnx> the site doesnt list linux supported
[11:50] <cnnx> just mac os sierra and win10
[11:50] <John> Google tells me the following works for whole files, but i'm not sure how to make it work for pipes: pr -m -t one.txt two.txt
[11:50] <John> Any ideas? :/
[11:50] <x-yuri> apt and aptitude wants to install it, but I can't see which dependency leads to it
[11:50] <MonkeyDust> John  put all that in one line, to make it easier to read and repeat
[11:50] <guiverc> John: diff?  (compares files; as does cmp)
[11:51] <John> ok
[11:52] <guiverc> John: ps: default to *nix is no-output = success; output = differences; so no "files exactly the same" messages in *nix
[11:55] <pepijndevos> What is the difference between gcc-arm-none-eabi in the repos and gcc-arm-embedded from the ppa?
[11:57] <matstage> Does anyone know how to clean up my system from self-compiled junk? Efficiently!
[11:57] <tomreyn> matstage: reinstall
[11:58] <cnnx> will most wifi usb ac adapters work on ubuntu
[11:58] <rory> yes
[11:58] <cnnx> how can i know for sure before buying
[11:58] <matstage> Great, I was hoping to avoid that. But you are probably right...
[11:58] <cnnx> just says win10/mac os sierra
[11:59] <rory> google the model number + "ubuntu"
[11:59] <cnnx> i did
[11:59] <cnnx> didnt look too good
[11:59] <guiverc> matstage: if you know what you self-compiled; it'll be quicker to re-install those packages; but if unknown or all over the place re-install will be quicker.
[11:59] <guiverc> matstage: s:/re-install those packages/re-install only those packages/
[12:01] <matstage> guiverc: Thanks, something to think about.
[12:03] <IamKrilcov> 1printers
[12:03] <IamKrilcov> !printers
[12:03] <matstage> cnnx: did you try: http://www.linux-drivers.org/?
[12:04] <Capum321> sup
[12:05] <guiverc> cnnx: if a cheaper unit; the chipset involved can be searched for support (as usually chipsets are the same in many made-in-china parts; but is still risk they added/removed features that can make a hassle to get configured)
[12:05] <adymitruk> Thought you guys might want to come in on this poll :) https://twitter.com/adymitruk/status/814793720641916928
[12:06] <adymitruk> Err.. Chime in..
[12:08] <xar-> shameless self-promotion? :)
[12:09] <sruli> i am trying to hold back my kernel from updateing, i set dpkg to hold "linux-headers-generic" & "linux-image-generic" but auto update installer ignores it, how do i hold back a kernel from updating?
[12:10] <Capum321> how do I disable dual monitor (notebook in this case, the external VGA monitor) to not show GRUB boot text and login screen also?[5~
[12:11] <sruli> Capum321: do you mean not show grub on both screens?
[12:11] <OERIAS> Hello
[12:12] <jgcampbell300> so im haveing a bit of trouble, just upgraded to ubuntu 16.04 .. cant seem to get my workspaces to run on each monitor ... before I had it setup so that workspace 1 was on monitor 1 workspace2 on monitor2 etc ... all 4 monitors had a workspace of its own ... just cant remember how it was setup ... any ideas
[12:12] <Capum321> sruli: not both, just show on notebook screen. and only enable when I set it on monitor settings app.
[12:13] <guiverc> sruli: no idea, but dpkg could be protecting kernel (from delete); but don't think it'd be wise to have system not update kernel; i'd just fudge grub2 to default to an older (wanted) kernel.
[12:13] <sruli> jgcampbell300: what do you have in Settings > Display Settings
[12:13] <sruli> Capum321: i dont think its possible to disable it in grub
[12:15] <Capum321> sruli: what do you know about kernel mode setting?
[12:16] <sruli> Capum321: nada
[12:16] <sruli> guiverc: just holding back for a short while... it seems that it did hold back.. apt installer ran through the motions of installing it but cant see updated kernel in /boot.. will do a reboot and double check
[12:16] <jgcampbell300> oh wow .. i forgot how to use pastbin
[12:16] <Noorideen> Mouaad wla
[12:16] <jgcampbell300> lol
[12:18] <jgcampbell300> what are people useing now to show there code
[12:18] <jgcampbell300> as in pastebin fpaste etc
[12:18] <OerHeks> paste.ubuntu.com
[12:18] <jgcampbell300> OerHeks, ty
[12:19] <Sweepyoface> hastebin < all
[12:19] <Sweepyoface> actually gist
[12:20] <sruli> guiverc: it did hold back the kernel update, i guess it unpacked the newer kernel and at the point of install dpkg blocked it
[12:20] <guiverc> :) @ sruli
[12:21] <sruli> guiverc: sometimes its weird when things work like they are supposed to ;-)
[12:21] <guiverc> lol
[12:21] <jgcampbell300> sruli, https://paste.ubuntu.com/23710939/
[12:22] <Capum321> what is called the [ OK ] message1 / [ FAIL ] message2 that appears after you select the OS in GRUB menu or in case one doesn't has dual boot just the auto upward scrolling messages
[12:22] <jgcampbell300> sorry it took so long ... having issues
[12:22] <Sweepyoface> firmware log?
[12:23] <sruli> jgcampbell300: i was refering to the generic ubuntu ... never used nvidia... what i was looking for is if displays are mirrored
[12:23] <jgcampbell300> sruli, oh ... no they are not
[12:24] <sruli> jgcampbell300: i dont know, maybe someone else can help
[12:24] <Capum321> firmware log? it is a testing/checking stage, isn't it?
[12:24] <jgcampbell300> sruli, k ty for trying
[12:24] <sruli> np
[12:25] <jgcampbell300> anyone else here any good with window, display managers ?
[12:25] <jgcampbell300> `all i see on the other three monitors is a X for the mouse
[12:25] <sruli> guiverc: would you know how i can update to later kernel but not last? i dont want to remove the dpkg hold as it will update to the newest... how do i go about this?
[12:27] <guiverc> sruli: no; last time I had to do that it was 11.04; so wouldn't trust my memory.
[12:28] <tomreyn> sruli: i think we shortly talked about this yesterday. what is it that you are trying to achieve there actually? the greater goal.
[12:29] <jgcampbell300> what is the best way to work with gsettings
[12:29] <jgcampbell300> is there a gui or list of commands
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:30] <sruli> tomreyn: i PM'd you the goal
[12:30] <jgcampbell300> hmm think ill play around with mir and see what its about ... later
[12:31] <sruli> tomreyn: you told me yesterday to hold the package without version number.. that did the trick... now moving to next stage how do i update
[12:32] <tomreyn> sruli: i read what your goal is, but am puzzled about the use case (you don't need to discuss more closely if you prefer not to). update to what?
[12:34] <sruli> tomreyn: if for example i am currently holding version 4.4.0-21 and want to update to 4.4.0-56 while latest realease is 4.4.0-58 how would i do that?
[12:35] <tomreyn> sruli: "sudo apt-get install <packagename>" - kernel packages contain the (upstream) version number in their package name.
[12:37] <sruli> tomreyn: the million $ question is which package exactly do i need get ? package name? everything from "dpkg -l "*$(uname -r)*" | grep generic ?
[12:37] <tomreyn> sruli: is storing /boot on a removable device instead an option?
[12:37] <OerHeks> latest is 4.4.0-57, anyway
[12:39] <tomreyn> sruli: if you want to install 4.4.0-56 then it's: sudo apt-get install linux-image-4.4.0-56-generic
[12:39] <sruli> tomreyn: for this machine its too much hassle to use usb boot, i use on other machines
[12:39] <sruli> tomreyn: just linux-image? not headers or anything? what about if it also uses linux-image-extra?
[12:44] <adymitruk> xar-: nah. I do that elsewhere ;) I'm actually curious and posted the same thing in other non Linux places
[12:44] <sruli> tomreyn: thanks, i wasted 40-50 hours writing a script to update and hold back all kernel related packages that are newer then 30 days.. script started simple 10 lines, ended up 500 lines.. removed unattended-upgrades package, last night yesterday i found the dpkg hold feature ... now i am all set with unattended-upgrades
[12:44] <EriC^^> adymitruk: most are anti-polls here
[12:44] <tomreyn> sruli: i think -extra is a dpendency of -generic, but could be wrong. if you need it, install it. same goes for the headers.
[12:45] <one808> 66
[12:45] <EriC^^> a poll showed it
[12:45] <one808> who are you
[12:45] <tomreyn> sruli: here's another approahc you could try, FDE including /boot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/729673/ubuntu-full-disk-encryption-with-encrypted-boot http://www.pavelkogan.com/2014/05/23/luks-full-disk-encryption/
[12:47] <Linuxcrazy> how to install lxde DE on Xubuntu?
[12:48] <tomreyn> sruli: note how those are two very different approaches to achieve a similar outcome. sadly both are not really 'out of the box' or easy to maintain.
[12:48] <EriC^^> Linuxcrazy: it'll become a little messy
[12:48] <Linuxcrazy> Eric, why?
[12:48] <EriC^^> Linuxcrazy: you might get notifications from one style of de in the other, stuff like that
[12:49] <EriC^^> and if you decide you like lubuntu better or dont like it, removing it won't be easy you'll have a ton of leftover packages
[12:49] <sruli> tomreyn: if there is anyway to encrypt grub / boot while allowing boot into windows without password (hidden grub menu) i'll be extremely happy! it will be the best thing that i would have learnt in 2016
[12:49] <EriC^^> Linuxcrazy: try it in a vm and if you really like it just fresh install it on the pc
[12:49] <tekisui> :)
[12:51] <Linuxcrazy> ok.
[12:52] <tomreyn> sruli: i haven't tried this in a while, but IIRC grub will only prompt for the passphrase once it boots a kernel entry which requires it. so if you'd default to windows chain loading you'd get no passphrase prompt, but you could hold down shift / press escapt to ge tthe grub prompt and select an FDE linux boot and get the passphrase prompt.
[12:52] <EriC^^> tomreyn: i think grub needs the passphrase to decrypt "/" if he has /boot encrypted as well
[12:53] <EriC^^> if he doesn't want /boot inside of the luks then it would be straightforward
[12:53] <sruli> tomreyn: how will grub get the kernel if its encrypted?
[12:53] <EriC^^> otherwise how would grub be able to decrypt /boot to get it's configuration file and modules and whatnot
[12:54] <EriC^^> can you tell grub to read the passphrase from a usb key or something maybe?
[12:54] <maddawg3> is there a way to show a progress bar of the CP command when i am copying a large amount of files
[12:54] <tomreyn> EriC^^, sruli: you're right, that makes no sense.
[12:54] <_ramok> hi
[12:55] <EriC^^> sruli: i wonder if it would work if you just put /boot/grub on a clean unencrypted partition
[12:55] <tekisui> hey ramok
[12:55] <sruli> EriC^^: you men boot from usb?
[12:55] <EriC^^> so grub can get its config files and modules and you get a grub menu
[12:55] <_ramok> how can i add a gatewa to an interface permanently? currently i'm doing: ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>   after restart. my interface definition looks like this: auto eth0     iface eth0 inet dhcp          dns-nameservers xxxx.xx.x.x.x.x
[12:55] <maddawg3> ok i guess not..
[12:55] <EriC^^> sruli: no i mean if the kernel is inside the luks, but just the /boot/grub files are outside, unless that's not desirable from your part
[12:56] <maddawg3> you can add routes in the ifconfig file _ramok
[12:56] <sruli> EriC^^: i likes the key on usb idea better, but am open to exploring both, how would i setup the grub for that?
[12:56] <_ramok> maddawg3: ifconfig file? where can i find those?
[12:57] <maddawg3> your network config file?
[12:57] <maddawg3> the same place you set your ip address
[12:57] <maddawg3> the iface eth0 inet dhcp... where id you put that?
[12:57] <maddawg3> it goes in there
[12:57] <_ramok> maddawg3:  i set it up in /etc/network/interfaces  with the following settings: auto eth0     iface eth0 inet dhcp          dns-nameservers xxxx.xx.x.x.x.x
[12:57] <EriC^^> sruli: make a ext2 partition and mount it under /boot/grub i guess
[12:57] <tomreyn> EriC^^, sruli: her'E another suggestion: grub in MBR with unencrypted /boot to chainload either (a) windows and (b) another grub. the other grub would use an encrypted /boot
[12:57] <EriC^^> sruli: i've no idea how/if that would actually work
[12:58] <EriC^^> it was just a "i wonder" kind of thing
[12:58] <maddawg3> yes _ramok
[12:58] <maddawg3> thats where it goes
[12:58] <_ramok> i've tried to put ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>  also to thise file, but ping google.com resulted in an unknown network
[12:58] <maddawg3> you can set your gateway there
[12:58] <maddawg3> well are you trying toset a gateway or a route?
[12:58] <maddawg3> different things
[12:58] <sruli> EriC^^: i was thinking about that too... wouldnt know how to start... TJ would have figured it out in a minute.. shame he is not around amymore
[12:59] <_ramok> maddawg3: i think a route
[12:59] <maddawg3> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[12:59] <maddawg3> see sample there
[12:59] <maddawg3> it has a gateway in there
[12:59] <maddawg3> if you want a route you need to do add route
[12:59] <EriC^^> sruli: try it in a vm
[13:00] <sruli> EriC^^: tomreyn: i will need to set aside 3-4 days to play with this gonna make time for it in the next few weeks..
[13:00] <EriC^^> or go with tomreyn 's idea, it's the same concept and security wise with the same implications
[13:00] <maddawg3> _ramok, try the route add <ip>
[13:01] <maddawg3> but i'd actually do   post-up route add GATEWAY_IP dev eth0
[13:01] <tomreyn> i think the double grub approach should work out. if EriC^^ 's approach also works out, it's probably the bette rone. but i'm not sure it would in terms of when the passphrase is prompted for.
[13:01] <maddawg3> then pre-down route del GATEWAY_IP dev eth0
[13:01] <maddawg3> so it adds it before it comes up
[13:01] <maddawg3> and deletes it beforee coming down
[13:01] <_ramok> let me try this out
[13:02] <tomreyn> actually, thinking again, in fact both could work.
[13:02] <sruli> EriC^^: tomreyn: the idea of encrypted boot with key on usb intrigues me most..
[13:02] <maddawg3> here's kind of an example... wont apply much to you.. but kinda what it might look like _ramok http://docs.ovh.ca/en/guides-network-bridging.html#debian-derivatives-ubuntu-crunchbang-steamos
[13:02] <tomreyn> sruli: oh that is definitely a more common one than the other two.
[13:03] <_ramok> maddawg3: i'm still getting:  ping google.com   ping: unknown host google.com  with this config: post-up route add <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[13:03] <_ramok> pre-down route del <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[13:03] <cnnx> i can't find anywhere on google that confirms if this device works with the current version of ubuntu, id like to know before i order it
[13:03] <cnnx> USB 2.0 AC600 Mini Dual Band Wireless-AC Network Adapter - 1T1R 802.11ac WiFi Adapter
[13:03] <maddawg3> well have you restarted your network?
[13:03] <maddawg3> you need to take down eth0
[13:03] <sruli> tomreyn: if the key is not present it will boot straight into windows, right?
[13:03] <_ramok> i've restarted the whole machine
[13:03] <maddawg3> then put it up
[13:03] <maddawg3> oh
[13:03] <maddawg3> hmmm
[13:04] <_ramok> maddawg3: this is what the hoster wrote me: On BACKEND servers without direct Internet-access:1st Set default route: “ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>” (replace <IP_ADDRESS> with GATEWAY servers private IP-address)
[13:04] <maddawg3> well i'm not sure about how your networking is set up
[13:04] <_ramok> On GATEWAY server:1st Enable NAT. Example: ”iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/8 -j SNAT --to-source <IP_ADDRESS> (replace eth0 with public-Internet interface and  <IP_ADDRESS> with gateway servers public IPv4 address)”2nd Activate IP-forwarding: “echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward”
[13:04] <sruli> tomreyn: EriC^^: obviously, boot will need to use a different luks than / dont want the key for / on a usb stick
[13:04] <_ramok> maddawg3: so i've actually one server with a public and private ip, and a second node that should use this one as a gateway
[13:04] <maddawg3> can you pastebin your interfaces file?
[13:04] <_ramok> yes
[13:05] <maddawg3> and where is the instruction from your hoster?
[13:05] <_ramok> http://pastebin.com/zns70S19
[13:05] <_ramok> yes, the instrcution is from the hoster
[13:05] <_ramok> maddawg3: ^
[13:05] <maddawg3> no WHERE is the instructions from your hoster
[13:05] <maddawg3> i.e. where is the link
[13:05] <maddawg3> that config file is a mess
[13:05] <maddawg3> lol
[13:05] <_ramok> it's in an email
[13:06] <_ramok> On GATEWAY server:1st Enable NAT. Example: ”iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/8 -j SNAT --to-source <IP_ADDRESS> (replace eth0 with public-Internet interface and  <IP_ADDRESS> with gateway servers public IPv4 address)”2nd Activate IP-forwarding: “echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward”
[13:06] <maddawg3> where's your gateway?
[13:06] <tomreyn> sruli: i think the approach where oyu store the crypto key on a usb attached storage is one where you first select to boot this grub kernel entry after grub configuration was laoded from an unencrypted /boot, and then (optionally, but recommendable) are prompted about your passphrase to decrypt the key stored on the usb storage.
[13:06] <_ramok> On BACKEND servers without direct Internet-access:1st Set default route: “ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>” (replace <IP_ADDRESS> with GATEWAY servers private IP-address)
[13:06] <maddawg3> oh it's dhcp?
[13:06] <_ramok> yes
[13:06] <tomreyn> sruli: if you'd fail to provide that passphrase grub would just keep asking.
[13:06] <_ramok> and my gateway is on <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:06] <maddawg3> and they arent doing this routing a tthe dhcp server
[13:06] <maddawg3> ?
[13:06] <maddawg3> odd
[13:06] <tomreyn> sruli: correction: if you'd fail to provide that passphrase dm-crypt would just keep asking.
[13:07] <sruli> yes, that what i want.. i will revisit this sometime next week
[13:07] <maddawg3> also those last two lines should be under eth0 for best practices
[13:07] <maddawg3> not under eth1
[13:07] <_ramok> maddawg3: which ones do you mean?
[13:07] <maddawg3> the post up route
[13:08] <maddawg3> are they supposed to be tied to eth0 or eth1
[13:08] <_ramok> eth0
[13:08] <maddawg3> ok
[13:08] <maddawg3> then move them to the correct section first
[13:08] <maddawg3> and what is the IP address you have currently on eth0?
[13:08] <_ramok> maddawg3: done
[13:09] <_ramok> maddawg3: on the private node: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:09] <maddawg3> is eth0 private or public?
[13:09] <maddawg3> and can you ping the gateway address?
[13:09] <_ramok> eth0 is private
[13:10] <maddawg3> private as in only for LAN?
[13:10] <_ramok> maddawg3: yes i can ping the gateway address
[13:10] <maddawg3> cuz your dns server is located on that config
[13:10] <maddawg3> can you ping the other gateway you added
[13:10] <_ramok> maddawg3: yes, private as in only for LAN
[13:10] <_ramok> i have only one
[13:10] <maddawg3> oh wait
[13:10] <maddawg3> yea you only have one set
[13:10] <maddawg3> you shouldnt need to  set it at all in a dhcp
[13:10] <_ramok> from <IP_ADDRESS> i've pinged the gateway: <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:11] <maddawg3> ok
[13:11] <maddawg3> so the issue then is your DNS?
[13:11] <maddawg3> wait i'm confused
[13:11] <maddawg3> what do you  mean by private and public interface
[13:11] <maddawg3> why do you have eth1 and eth0
[13:11] <_ramok> on private IP  and one public IP
[13:11] <_ramok> one VM can have a private and a public IP
[13:11] <maddawg3> one private IP?
[13:11] <maddawg3> what for?
[13:11] <_ramok> the gateway server has a private and a public IP
[13:11] <_ramok> to not have the node exposed to the public
[13:12] <maddawg3> well yes cuz it's a gateway
[13:12] <maddawg3> arent you trying to get it online?
[13:12] <_ramok> maddawg3: just to call the internet, but not to be reachable
[13:12] <_ramok> e.g. for ntpd
[13:13] <maddawg3> well <IP_ADDRESS> is a private IP
[13:13] <maddawg3> thats not public
[13:13] <_ramok> on the gateway i run the following: 1st Enable NAT. Example: ”iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/8 -j SNAT --to-source <IP_ADDRESS> (replace eth0 with public-Internet interface and  <IP_ADDRESS> with gateway servers public IPv4 address)”2nd Activate IP-forwarding: “echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward”
[13:14] <maddawg3> i'm a bit confused
[13:14] <alei> welcome me!
[13:14] <maddawg3> your hoster doesnt give you a gateway?
[13:14] <maddawg3> usually they give you a gateway
[13:15] <maddawg3> i mean it looks like you have it set to DHCP
[13:15] <maddawg3> which implies the DHCP  should be setting this up for you
[13:15] <maddawg3> the dhcp server that is
[13:16] <maddawg3> also have you tried pinging google by IP address instread of name _ramok
[13:16] <maddawg3> cuz it could also just be a dns issue
[13:16] <maddawg3> and also pinging your dns servers
[13:17] <maddawg3> they are on the public internet
[13:17] <_ramok> maddawg3:  ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:17] <_ramok> connect: Network is unreachable
[13:17] <_ramok> so but if i set this command via cli ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>  everything works
[13:17] <maddawg3> then put that in the config
[13:19] <_ramok> maddawg3: still:  ping <IP_ADDRESS> connect: Network is unreachable
[13:20] <maddawg3> i'm confused because you have no gateway defined in your interfaces file
[13:20] <maddawg3> usually that's defined by the dhcp server
[13:20] <maddawg3> why not define the gateway
[13:20] <maddawg3> just gateway <ip address> under the eth0 config
[13:20] <maddawg3> and delete that post up and pre down stuff
[13:21] <maddawg3> but the point of DHCP is to be automatic
[13:21] <maddawg3> so why they arent passing this from the DHCP is beyond me
[13:21] <_ramok> adding just the gateway option also doesn't work
[13:21] <maddawg3> yea man i dont know then
[13:22] <maddawg3> sounds like they have a fucked up network
[13:22] <maddawg3> if they are using dhcp you shouldnt have to d efine any of this
[13:22] <maddawg3> otherwise there's no point of having dhcp
[13:22] <maddawg3> have they not provided a sample configuration???
[13:22] <maddawg3> it's odd that they wouldnt provide that
[13:23] <_ramok> maddawg3: nope
[13:23] <maddawg3> time for new hoster then if they cant help you
[13:23] <_ramok> okay, i'll try to clarify it with them. i've also treid nearly all of the above options..
[13:23] <maddawg3> also i havent seen  the instructions they sent you
[13:23] <maddawg3> so cant say
[13:23] <maddawg3> but those are the only ways to add routes and gateways insie the config file
[13:24] <maddawg3> you could also simply try just putting in the interface file "ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS>"
[13:24] <maddawg3> i dont know if that will work
[13:24] <maddawg3> you can also set up a script that does the command at startup everytime
[13:32] <yassine_du_terro> yo
[13:36] <f3ngt1ng> #find
[13:41] <acosonic> is there something specific if I have eth0:1 and if I have eth0 is eth0:1 some virtual routing something or is it same as if I would have like eth2
[13:42] <BluesKaj> acosonic, do you have more then one ethernet/nic?
[13:42] <acosonic> how do I check?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> then=than
[13:44] <acosonic> BluesKaj is there some command to list cards? apart from ifconfig
[13:44] <OerHeks> eth0:1 is a 2nd IP adress for the same interface
[13:44] <jgcampbell300> can somone tell me what audio system 16.04 is using ?
[13:44] <one808> .....
[13:45] <jgcampbell300> I am trying to figgure out how to tell ubuntu to use hdmi 02: for audio out put insted of 01:
[13:45] <acosonic> so its a virtual inteface, not an different interface, right?
[13:45] <MonkeyDust> acosonic  you too, use this terminal command       lshw -html > ~/Desktop/hardware.html
[13:45] <OerHeks> jgcampbell300, alsa , open terminal: alsamixer # and Hit F6 for output device
[13:46] <jgcampbell300> OerHeks, ty
[13:51] <loskutak> Hi, is there a way to set a keybinding for switching to the last used workspace in ubuntu 16.04 using gnome? I want to quickly switch back and forth between two workspaces, without using their absolute number. Thanks!
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> loskutak  try ctrl-alt-arrow left
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> loskutak  or up, down, down
[13:52] <MonkeyDust> loskutak  or up, down, right
[13:54] <loskutak> MonkeyDust: thanks, but that is not what I would like to achieve. Imagine visiting workspace 2, then visiting workspace 5, then I would like to have one keybinding, that would switch between 2 and 5.
[13:55] <jgcampbell300> oh boy .. wasnt the default sound card being the problem
[13:57] <alei> you can use xdotool set_desktop x with a script in custom shortcuts
[13:57] <alei> loskutak
[13:58] <loskutak> alei: so there is no such thing ready inside ubuntu? oh my :/
[13:59] <alei> yes, but not this one
[13:59] <alei> it would be good to find "last used workspace" somehow. but i couldnt do that
[13:59] <alei> maybe more effort needed
[14:00] <jgcampbell300> so many problems every time I install a linux system :(
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> jgcampbell300  or any OS
[14:01] <jgcampbell300> MonkeyDust, windows is easy, but many i hate windows
[14:01] <ids> Hi, since today, my screen started flickering every 2 - 20sec. Really annoying. Ubuntu 16.04, AMD Radeon 480. I reinstalled the radeon driver, but no luck :(
[14:01] <MonkeyDust> jgcampbell300  to me, windows is more difficult than linux, it's subjective
[14:01] <jgcampbell300> you know it is usualy just a pain when i build my own linux box. maybe i need to sell my hardware and invest in something diffrent
[14:02] <jgcampbell300> MonkeyDust, ya it can be a pain. I quit jacking with windows about half way throu 8 ... 7 was pretty easy
[14:02] <MonkeyDust> jgcampbell300  i saved this quote, here, on the channel ... "you won't get a system that behaves the same way as a windows system.. linux has its own advantages and disadvantages.. you just learn to live with a different set of annoying things =)"
[14:04] <alei> +1
[14:04] <jgcampbell300> MonkeyDust, Isnt that the truth. The one good thing is once I get linux running it stays running till i decide to do something that breaks it. Unlike windows that likes to trash its self ;) ... well nother reboot comeing .. backin a bit
[14:04] <MrHall> Hello, i have a problem to change format of DatePicker
[14:05] <MrHall>  i do this on initialize method of the controller class http://prntscr.com/dpppdi
[14:05] <Pici> MrHall: Are you sure thats a question for #ubuntu ?
[14:05] <MrHall> ohhh
[14:05] <MrHall> sorry
[14:05] <Pici> np :)
[14:09] <jgcampbell300> hmm i seem to be comeing with alot more errors than usual
[14:19] <abb4s> hey every body , i just want to install ubuntu 16.04 i decide to make a bootable usb by startup disck creator app ,but it just make me crazy . it cant erase the usb and give this err : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.GLib.Error: Traceback ... "
[14:20] <abb4s> it  http://askubuntu.com/questions/698657/usb-drive-cant-be-formated cant help me
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> abb4s  try gparted to erase the stick
[14:23] <abb4s> MonkeyDust: i tried it too  , i formot it to ntfs , and then launch startup disk again , but startup disk dont allow to make it bootable and want to erase it , and then give the error !!!!!!!!!1
[14:25] <OerHeks> abb4s, make it fat32, and try again: ntfs does not work with writing images iirc
[14:26] <OerHeks> !usb
[14:26] <OerHeks> see the manual
[14:26] <jgcampbell300> hmm the last time i ran into sound problems i had to install hmm think it was pulseaudio something mixer or something like that
[14:27] <jgcampbell300> it basicly replaced the default sound manager with a diffrent one that would see all my sound cards and allow me to select diffrent ones ... cant rember the name of it thow
[14:28] <demahum> Incrontab is set up to monitor approx. 10 directories. The only thing it does is that it starts a bash script upon new file is received inside one of these directories. Approximately, file is received every 5 minutes, in each of the dirs. However, incrond occasionally stops. There is no rule when it will happen. It varies from few times per week to few times per month. Error which is logged is: "incrond[43836]: *** unhandled exception occurred *** \n polli
[14:28] <one808> d
[14:39] <jhonnyBeGood> hi friend!!!
[14:39] <jhonnyBeGood> postgres[60443]: segfault at 1b427c20 ip 00007f986e01b7f4 sp 00007fffaeef27e0 error 4 in postgres[7f986dc0b000+5f4000]
[14:39] <jhonnyBeGood>  ....
[14:39] <jhonnyBeGood> any ideas?
[14:39] <jhonnyBeGood> postgresql 9.5
[14:39] <abb4s> OerHeks: i think it is beter to report all of the ubuntu disk management as bug!!!! after i format it to fat32 with slooooooow gparted it just disapear and i cant see it in file manager
[14:39] <whitemaiko> @search Laravel Cookbook
[14:45] <maddawg3> strange.. trying to rsync some stuff to my NFS (mounted locally) and it's maxing out at like 10MB/s
[14:45] <maddawg3> odd
[14:45] <maddawg3> i have a gigabit connection between them
[14:55] <Maimster> Working on Friday has to be a sin somewhere.
[14:58] <Lantizia> anyone ever seen this (recreated) image? perhaps in a magazine, or a poster, maybe a mouse mat?  or know of its origins?  https://i.snag.gy/6RWDEX.jpg
[15:00] <Lantizia> ah i think there is meant to be an o'reilly owl inside the O
[15:01] <Lantizia> no - actually a tarsier
[15:03] <stepper> hey im loving this ubuntu ....never used any linux before and within 20seconds i have mastered ubunut
[15:04] <stepper> i was always told linux was hard
[15:04] <Lantizia> stepper, it was, now it's so easy things like LUG's are dying
[15:04] <stepper> dont know what lug's are
[15:05] <stepper> i probably can get rid of windows soon if i can do what i like on ubuntu
[15:05] <stepper> its great its like windows
[15:05] <Lantizia> stepper, "linux user groups" - people would physically meet up to share knowledge and help install linux on pc's
[15:05] <stepper> ah ok
[15:12] <jgcampbell300> wooo hooo ... sound again
[15:15] <jgcampbell300> now for the video\
[15:18] <star31416> On my server without any GUI I'm looking for an efficient way to play an audio notification (something like aplay etc.) on system boot. The problem is that aplay does not play the notification in the background, i.e., the boot process stalls until the 10 second lasting song is finished. Are there any suggestions for a fix? aplay -q xyz.wav &> /dev/null does not work.
[15:18] <jgcampbell300> is there a way to replace sound indicator with pavucontrol
[15:22] <tomreyn> star31416: add a & character to the end
[15:24] <chak217> hi
[15:25] <dStruct> star31416: you could play it in rc.local with an & at the end of the line, which should background it?
[15:27] <dStruct> star31416: just aplay -q xyz.wav & in probably /etc/rc.local
[15:27] <star31416> dStruct, tomreyn: Yes, thanks. In the hurry I forget the & and the end.
[15:27] <star31416> I'll try
[15:27] <dStruct> star31416: do I even want to know why you want a 10 minute wav playing on bootup?
[15:27] <dStruct> star31416: err 10 second rather
[15:28] <kk4ewt> or you can use festival to play something when someone logs in
[15:28] <star31416> dStruct: 5-10 second is fine for me because the server is located in another room.
[15:31] <star31416> dStruct, on my previous setup I just used the pcspeaker to make some beeps. However, the problem is, the pcspkr does not seem to work properly on my setup, even when the blacklist of the module is removed and the module is loaded, beep doesn't produce any output. The speaker works definitely because the bios beep works.
[15:31] <star31416> dStruct, I have seen a bug report on the speaker problem in 16.04.
[15:32] <jgcampbell300> i wonder why pavucontrol isnt in the new ubuntu ... it seems to work way better than sound indicator
[15:33] <CommonCents> Is anyone on here running two video cards and two monitors?
[15:33] <jgcampbell300> CommonCents, I am
[15:33] <jgcampbell300> CommonCents, umm 2 cards 4 monitors
[15:33] <dStruct> star31416: I'm not too familiar with beeping PC speakers, I used to disconnect the damn things back in the day when you could still do that
[15:33] <CommonCents> I'm wanting to add a video card and use a HDTV as a second monitor.
[15:34] <dStruct> CommonCents: I run 4 monitors?
[15:34] <CommonCents> Wow!
[15:34] <jgcampbell300> CommonCents, still in the process of resetting them up agian after reload tho
[15:34] <dStruct> CommonCents: I really like the DisplayLink stuff it's neat http://www.displaylink.com/
[15:34] <CommonCents> Is it better that the second video card closely "match" the first (onboard)_ video?  Or is it better that they are completely different?
[15:35] <jgcampbell300> CommonCents, I havent found any issues eather way ... one will be 01:xx and other will be 02:xx
[15:35] <dStruct> CommonCents: this particular setup running Ubuntu operates a Flight Simulator for admin/monitoring purposes
[15:35] <jgcampbell300> CommonCents, mine are same model cards ... but the way i set my workspace up .. jacks with me every time
[15:35] <CommonCents> OK.  This is an older box, with nVidia GeForce 6100 chipset.
[15:36] <CommonCents> I see some cheap, used nVidia 6200 chip set video cards
[15:36] <jgcampbell300> dStruct, that sounds cool .. do you have screen 1 mirroring screen0 ?
[15:37] <CommonCents> I figure that same/similar cards will use same driver, multiple iterations, probably save a bit of ram for drivers.  But I was worried about conflicts/confusion with the driver.
[15:37] <dStruct> jgcampbell300: no I have 4 independent desktops running 15 serial terminal windows connecting to multiple mainframes
[15:37] <dStruct> jgcampbell300: serial via TCP to a concentrator
[15:37] <jgcampbell300> dStruct, neet
[15:38] <jgcampbell300> now if i could only rember how i setup panel to run the way i want it to
[15:39] <jgcampbell300> guess I should check backups
[15:39] <jgcampbell300> oh ya the network drives ... gota find that fstab to lol
[15:45] <CommonCents> So, is setting up two video cards just plug and play?  Install the card and it just works, ubuntu sees it and I can set up workspaces/displays?
[15:47] <kk4ewt> if they are the same brand and card its easy two different makes things interesting at times
[15:47] <dStruct> CommonCents: if you're talking DisplayLink, then yes you install the drivers and literally plug in the device (depending on the brand you choose) and go, that's it
[15:48] <dStruct> CommonCents: they're essentially USB to HDMI video cards in a sense, with very low latency, I wouldn't expect to do any epic gaming on them but for desktop and video they work great
[15:49] <Vamp898> Hi there. I used this guide to setup SSSD on Ubuntu 14.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html and everything works perfect. But when i use the exact same guide for Ubuntu 16.04, i can join the AD, i can use getent to get user ids and groups and so on, everything works almost fine
[15:49] <Vamp898> But login with su or on the desktop does not work with 16.04. When i try with su i get "su: System error"
[15:50] <dandon_> halo
[15:50] <dandon_> halo
[15:50] <dandon_> halo
[15:50] <SchrodingersScat> dandon_: hello.
[15:50] <dandon_> any body here?
[15:51] <dandon_> what the forum is it?
[15:51] <baizon> dandon_: there are 1879 people here right now
[15:51] <dandon_> wow
[15:51] <SchrodingersScat> !support | dandon_
[15:51] <dandon_> where r you from?
[15:52] <dandon_> i am a newbe
[15:52] <Vamp898> Doing the same for 14.04 works. I can login just fine on 14.04 with su, on the desktop, using SSH. None of these works with 16.04, but all the other stuff works on 16.04 (i can create directories and set user permissions based on users and groups from the AD)
[15:52] <dandon_> i just use my backbox distro
[15:53] <SchrodingersScat> !backbox | dandon_
[15:53] <dandon_> owh,,,
[15:54] <dandon_> bockbox is ubuntu tight?
[15:54] <OerHeks> Backbox Linux is not ubuntu :-)
[15:57] <OerHeks> Vamp898, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too
[15:57] <Vamp898> OerHeks: thanks, i'll do
[16:03] <star31416> systemd-analyze blame show in general start up times below 300ms which is fine. However, "2.154s networking.service" is IMHO quite high for just a simple configuration as http://pastebin.com/47LLSp4Y . Any tips from bridging expert how to tune this setting?
[16:04] <fortyseven47> Is it possible to watch Netflix with chromium?
[16:05] <j41> fortyseven47: Why don't you try it? :P
[16:05] <fortyseven47> I'm trying
[16:05] <baizon> fortyseven47: yes
[16:06] <fortyseven47> How?
[16:07] <OerHeks> Firefox 49 Will Let You Watch Netflix Without Plugins too
[16:08] <baizon> fortyseven47: https://itsfoss.com/watch-netflix-in-ubuntu-14-04/
[16:09] <jgcampbell300> what would be a good editor to compare two pieces of code ?
[16:10] <OerHeks> i think chromium does not work with netflix, chrome and firefox do.
[16:11] <Amm0n> star31416, imho 2.154s is a sane time for your NIC to get an IP-Address from the Router and startup.
[16:11] <fortyseven47> Isn't the last version of chromium already patched to support widevinecm?
[16:11] <dStruct> jgcampbell300: I like to do it old school with diff
[16:12] <jgcampbell300> dStruct, :)
[16:12] <dStruct> star31416: you could always you know set a static IP instead of being at the mercy of a DHCP server response from your router
[16:14] <chomwitt> in 16.04 keep getting every time i boot the 'sorry internal fault ..'
[16:21] <star31416> dStruct, Amm0n: I don't use DHCP as you can see in http://pastebin.com/47LLSp4Y
[16:22] <star31416> And more than 2 second to initialize a bridge and assign a static IP address is very long.
[16:22] <star31416> s/second/seconds
[16:23] <dStruct> star31416: hmm I'd have to play around with that setup in my lab to see if the speed could be improved, basically you have a few things happening, the layer 2 physical link between devices may be where it's being held up, if you watch the link light on the NIC during the 2.5~ delay is it linked and green already?
[16:23] <one808> ha
[16:25] <star31416> dStruct, I will check the link LED.
[16:26] <dStruct> star31416: also you're going to want to hard code any auto-negotiation options to use for example 1000 full duplex or 100 full, it takes time for the devices to "negotiate" the link prior to link up
[16:26] <dStruct> star31416: probably on both ends of the link if possible, router and host
[16:27] <dStruct> star31416: something like pre-up /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full
[16:36] <dStruct> star31416: and another thing, if you have multiple adapters you may want to look at the EXCLUDE_INTERFACES= option in /etc/default/networking to disable any extra non-used hardware.  Or you could toggle the CONFIGURE_INTERFACES= option to NO, and manually set up the bridge using CLI tools and a script if you really need to
[16:36] <skinux> Does Ubuntu have any easy system hooks to allow an app/service to insert value into another apps text field?
[16:36] <chomwitt> strange. apt-cache policy gnome-software show a new version is available for xenial but apt-get upgrade wont show that package in the list it presents before starting the upgrade
[16:40] <wuchen> ddd
[16:43] <antimist> I want to make a systemd service which runs only when a device is mounted?
[16:43] <antimist> Should I just put a Requires=location-to-mount.mount
[16:43] <antimist> or something else also?
[16:44] <citroniks> #j opencv
[16:44] <antimist> ?
[16:49] <rambo1997> Salve, sono nuovo....posso chiedervi un aiuto su un problema di ubuntu?
[16:49] <antimist> sigh
[16:50] <yeats> !it | rambo1997
[16:50] <antimist> no responses. Oh well, Happy New Year to y'all before I leave
[16:50] <ducasse> antimist: iirc there is also RunAfter
[16:51] <antimist> ducasse: I have a Before=, clause also set on it
[16:51] <psykotik1> does anyone know of a way to install the deepin de on yakkety?
[16:51] <antimist> ducasse: Edit After-
[16:51] <antimist> not Before
[16:51] <antimist> oh well, going to go through the man pages
[16:51] <antimist> thanks for all the help
[16:52] <rambo1997> I have ans asus x556U, and chromium lags when I scroll the page..How can I solve?
[16:54] <dStruct> rambo1997: what does glxinfo | grep -i direct give you?
[16:55] <rambo1997> It says that the packet glxinfo doesn't exists
[16:55] <baizon> rambo1997: http://askubuntu.com/questions/225158/error-in-main-glxinfo-is-not-installed-please-install-mesa-utils-package-when
[16:56] <psykotik1> can i get help with building deepin de from source here?
[16:56] <dStruct> rambo1997: apt-get install mesa-utils and check it, it will tell you if you're doing hardware rendering or software
[16:58] <javocado> just installed the latest elemetary and my trackpad isn't working, send help
[17:00]  * maddawg3 calls the NAVY SEALS
[17:02] <ducasse> !elementary | javocado
[17:03] <javocado> they just arrived, hopefully they can help
[17:09] <psykotik1> im getting the following error when i try to build deepin-toolkit: error: ‘QStandardPaths’ has not been declared can someone help?
[17:09] <psykotik1> _
[17:13] <kanar1an> hi
[17:13] <kanar1an> knock knock
[17:13] <j41> Hi kanar1an, do you need any help?
[17:14] <kanar1an> nope just saying
[17:17] <meandcom> hi
[17:18] <jgcampbell300> does anyone have a 4 monitor xorg.conf I could check out .. need a good example
[17:19] <star31416> dStruct, "351ms networking.service" is much better.
[17:19] <star31416> "pre-up /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 duplex full" did the job
[17:19] <dStruct> star31416: was it the auto-neg stuff?
[17:19] <star31416> yes
[17:19] <star31416> weird
[17:19] <star31416> I would have never thought of that.
[17:19] <dStruct> star31416: yeah I suspected, auto-negotiation can have issues sometimes, like with older HP switches especially
[17:19] <star31416> Thanks for the tip!
[17:20] <dStruct> star31416: :D
[17:20] <meandcom> hi dStruct
[17:20] <dStruct> meandcom: hello
[17:20] <ducasse> jgcampbell300: have you looked at the arch wiki? iirc there are examples in the multihead article.
[17:20] <meandcom> i am from indonesia
[17:21] <jgcampbell300> ducasse, no i havent .. will look now thanks
[17:21] <star31416> dStruct, now everything looks normal: http://pastebin.com/HSzz1EAF
[17:22] <ducasse> jgcampbell300: i use 3 monitors myself, but do all configuration with xrandr.
[17:23] <x-fak> hi
[17:23] <jgcampbell300> ducasse, I have been reading about xrandr a bit ... is it better than xorg
[17:23] <dStruct> star31416: if you're looking to speed things up even more, there are services that start by default that aren't really needed in most cases, postfix for one, maybe samba too
[17:24] <x-fak> i wanted to apt-get update and then i got an error message and i did this, is this correct?  https://bpaste.net/show/365d2175cdd5
[17:24] <dStruct> jgcampbell300: I'd help you out but the box that I run 4 displays on is isolated and not on a network so it's not easy for me to copy paste from it
[17:25] <jgcampbell300> dStruct, np
[17:25] <ducasse> jgcampbell300: unless you _need_ to use xorg.conf for some reason, i prefer xrandr. my config is just a single command line.
[17:25] <meandcom> bye
[17:25] <dStruct> ducasse: xrandr works well usually
[17:26] <ducasse> dStruct: agreed.
[17:27] <star31416> dStruct: Samba is important because it is a NAS. Furthermore, I use postfix for sending notifications if something bad happens.
[17:27] <dStruct> star31416: ahh well then yeah, if you use them keep them :D
[17:31] <dStruct> star31416: have you seen these? https://www.backblaze.com/blog/open-source-data-storage-server/
[17:32] <dStruct> star31416: 60 drives in 4u, 480TB!
[17:33] <xangua> Morning everyone, I've tried Xubuntu, Lubuntu and just now a live Ubuntu mate session (all 16.04) and no matter what settings I put, after the system enters in suspend I can't resume (screen stays black) any help appreciated
[17:33] <dStruct> xangua: laptop?
[17:34] <zerous> hi :)
[17:34] <star31416> dStruct, oops, nice. :-) Reminds me a little bit of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifdFc-kWofQ
[17:34] <xangua> dStruct: yes,I forgot mention that
[17:34] <zerous> I am trying to run ubuntu alongside macos seirra on macbook pro 11,4
[17:34] <zerous> I would like to know if anyone has tried anything similar
[17:34] <j41> xangua: Some people say a BIOS update might solve the problem
[17:34] <star31416> dStruct, I just upgraded from 4x4TB to 4x10TB and that's enough for now. :-)
[17:35] <dStruct> xangua: depending on the hardware (older is worse) it can have issues sleeping/waking
[17:35] <j41> ^
[17:35] <xangua> j41: well last time I updated the BIOS was in 2008
[17:35] <OerHeks> xangua, did you try switching tty too? ctrl alt f2 and back to F7
[17:35] <j41> xangua: I'm guessing there isn't a more recent update? :P
[17:35] <xangua> OerHeks: yes, the screen stays black
[17:36] <x-fak> i wanted to apt-get update and then i got an error message and i did this, is this correct?  https://bpaste.net/show/365d2175cdd5
[17:36] <dStruct> star31416: nice, we have a small 120TB array here at work just for Plex lol, we VPN stream it out to ugh "friends" :D
[17:36] <xangua> x-fak: join #debian
[17:37] <x-fak> xangua oops sorry yes, i forget it's a debian
[17:37] <dStruct> xangua: only thing I could suggest is check the logs and try to see where it's stuck
[17:38] <xangua> dStruct: how can I see the logs? Last time I had to get my hands dirty was also around 2008
[17:38] <star31416> dStruct: ZFS, BRTFS, or something else as filesystem?
[17:39] <dStruct> star31416: I think we have ZFS on it, I didn't do the install on that particular box
[17:39] <dStruct> xangua: /var/log maybe syslog might have some errors in it
[17:39] <xangua> dStruct: weird thing is if I remove light light and install xscreensaver (or the opposite) suspend might work... Until next reboot
[17:40] <dStruct> xangua: also you may check the options in the BIOS and/or tweak them to see if for example S3 sleep versus S1 sleep helps the situation
[17:41] <star31416> dStruct: I have performed a couple of tests before I decided to go with ZFS. Up to now, ZFS seems to work flawlessly. I'm able to get 600MB/s local performance on the ZFS storage system which is more than enough for me.
[17:41] <dStruct> xangua: it might be more helpful if you can just paste.ubuntu.com the /var/log/dmesg and maybe the syslog too if it's not too big
[17:41] <dStruct> star31416: yeah I've used ZFS and been very happy with it in the past
[17:43] <dStruct> star31416: I built a Supermicro 160TB array a few years back when 4TB was still the biggest drive you could get, and used ZFS for it
[17:44] <geosmin> qualcomm QCA9565, can't see wifi networks, google isn't being much help
[17:45] <geosmin> sudo apt-get update was no help either, fresh install on new computer
[17:45] <geosmin> tried modprobe ath9k
[17:46] <dStruct> geosmin: I've never even heard of that adapter, is it supported by linux?
[17:49] <star31416> dStruct, I really like the caching capabilities of ZFS. Currently I'm running 32GB of ECC RAM and an additional SSD, both for caching. The performance combined with the reduced power consumption is incredible. For example, if I watch a 1080p movie with a duration of 90 minutes, then ZFS caches the whole movie within a couple to seconds and puts the magnetic data drives in standby mode for the remainder of the movie. :-)
[17:50] <dStruct> star31416: yeah it really is the FS of the future, I'm a fan
[17:51] <j41> Sounds neat :P
[17:51] <dStruct> geosmin: what does lspci -nv give you for an ID on the device?
[17:54] <[itchyjunk]> hey is there a way to update the flash plugin for firefox using apt-get from terminal?
[17:55] <MonkeyDust> [itchyjunk]  sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[17:56] <[itchyjunk]> hmm i tried that but when i open flash stuff in firefox it still says outdated plugin :s
[17:56] <baizon> [itchyjunk]: http://askubuntu.com/questions/646996/how-to-update-flash-version-numbers-dont-match
[17:56] <tomreyn> [itchyjunk]: install package flashplugin-installer if you haven't
[18:01] <linocisco> hi all, I heard we can create Software Defined Data Center using VMware. Is there any opensource like KVM to create software defined data center?
[18:04] <Guest62252> Hello everyone! I am running Ubuntu's most recent version. I am running my audio through HDMI to my tv. But the sound is slowed and the pitch is dropped. I tried a search for it, but I didn't find any definite answers.
[18:07] <Guest62252> It seems to be intermittent, but I don't know what causes it.
[18:08] <dStruct> linocisco: have you seen OpenStack yet?
[18:09] <baizon> Guest62252: which graphics card is it?
[18:10] <Guest62252> Thanks for the response! It's a geforce 720M
[18:10] <geosmin> so wifi is rfkill hardblocked, Fn toggle doesn't seem to work. could it be that i simply need to get my function keys working?
[18:10] <dStruct> geosmin: funny story, I'm actually running that adapter on a box here lol, it uses an ath9k I had no idea
[18:10] <EriC^^> geosmin: could be in the bios
[18:10] <geosmin> EriC^^: works in windows FWIW
[18:11] <baizon> Guest62252: are you using the latest nvidia proprietary drivers? or the open source drivers?
[18:11] <EriC^^> geosmin: "xev" in a terminal will show you if the function key is working
[18:11] <dStruct> geosmin: it should work for you, does it show up in lspci -nv?
[18:11] <geosmin> dStruct: any issues? think it's probably Fn keys
[18:11] <dStruct> geosmin: no issues at all, Dell desktop, booted right up and worked
[18:12] <dStruct> geosmin: if it's a laptop, do what EriC^^ suggested and make sure the wifi button is working, maybe your wifi is toggled to disabled
[18:12] <Guest62252> Baizon, I am using proprietary  drivers. Nvidia367.57
[18:13] <baizon> Guest62252: try the new 375.26.
[18:17] <w74ifa-backbox> hi
[18:17] <geosmin> so how would i go about getting function keys to work? or is there another software method of unblockong a hardblock rfkill
[18:17] <EriC^^> hu
[18:17] <EriC^^> hi
[18:18] <w74ifa-backbox> how are you
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Hey EriC^^
[18:18] <EriC^^> geosmin: did you try xev
[18:18] <EriC^^> hey BluesKaj
[18:18] <geosmin> EriC^^: not yet, assuming its the ossue flr now, will try ASAP
[18:19] <w74ifa-backbox> at hack
[18:19] <dStruct> geosmin: well you could try toggling the button, you may or may not need to hold down the FN key if you have one
[18:21] <Guest62252> isn't appearing on my additional drivers list so I downloaded it, but I don't remember how to install it from my downloads. When I try to launch the new driver it loads it in gedit.
[18:22] <w74ifa-backbox> you hack
[18:22] <HKLOWE> hi
[18:22] <w74ifa-backbox> hi
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> w74ifa-backbox  before you ask... backbox is not supported here
[18:23] <baizon> Guest62252: http://www.webupd8.org/2016/06/how-to-install-latest-nvidia-drivers-in.html
[18:24] <OerHeks> baizon +1 use the ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[18:25] <Guest62252> Thanks. I will be right back after I install the drivers.
[18:25] <xangua> dStruct: OerHeks paste.ubuntu.com/23712646 sorry I was reading about while trying nomodeset also (didn't work)
[18:29] <dStruct> xangua: when trying to wake it back up, can you ctrl+alt+F1, login, and do a pm-suspend
[18:29] <blib1> what is the correct way of installing nvidia drivers on 16.04.1?
[18:29] <dStruct> xangua: or actually pm-suspend to put it to sleep rather
[18:30] <blib1> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa ?
[18:32] <sarath> Hi, i have been running a do-release-update
[18:33] <MonkeyDust> sarath  you mean do-release-upgrade, to upgrade to a newer release
[18:33] <arm1e> Having installed separate home partition the machine boots into mainanence mode. Can login and run mount -a then ctrl+D and it works fine. Need to do this on every reboot. Any ideas how to fix?
[18:34] <sarath> yea, i was doing it on a remote server over ssh and i got disconnected.
[18:35] <sarath> MonkeyDust: is there a way to "rejoin" the upgrade process
[18:35] <sarath> if i run again, I get a no new releases message
[18:36] <MonkeyDust> sarath  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[18:37] <sarath> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS \n \l
[18:37] <MonkeyDust> sarath  wait, do you want to upgrade the remote server?
[18:38] <sarath> yes. I am sshing into that server
[18:38] <MonkeyDust> not sure if that is possible
[18:39] <xangua> dStruct: I did and the weird thing is... It's working right now
[18:40] <xangua> dStruct: but then again might work this time and won't work next boot
[18:40] <dStruct> xangua: that is weird, what happens when you do a pm-suspend from tty1?
[18:41] <sarath> MonkeyDust: i did, it downloaded all packages, did most upgrades, it was on a particular question, and before i oculd answer, ssh dropped
[18:41] <chmod400> sarath, I have done it before with screen (if I lose ssh connection there is no problem in that case)
[18:41] <xangua> dStruct: in a sec, restarting to see if it keeps working
[18:43] <boriseto> Hello
[18:43] <boriseto> Can somebody explain me why after a while my most used apps are changed to low priority in the system monitor?
[18:43] <sarath> chmod400: http://pastebin.com/HgeydL3D
[18:44] <antimist> boriseto: was "nice" used?
[18:44] <tomreyn> sarath: try sudo screen -x
[18:45] <xangua> dStruct: it's working right now but I think I forgot to start xscreensaver
[18:45] <sarath> tomreyn:  "screen: command not found"
[18:45] <tomreyn> hmm i was thinking do-release-upgrade runs from within a GNU screen or similar
[18:46] <boriseto> antimist: "nice"?
[18:46] <roberto_> hello
[18:46] <tomreyn> sarath: do you have more than a single ssh process running?
[18:46] <tomreyn> ps uaxw | grep ssh
[18:47] <sarath> there is a
[18:47] <sarath> root      1191  0.0  0.0  80504  2268 tty1     Ss   Dec16   0:00 /bin/login -- schandra  1728  0.0  0.1  27560  4312 tty1     S+   Dec16   0:00  \_ -bash
[18:49] <prg318> Is there a way to set up networking on ubuntu so that all detected interfaces use dhcp to get an address?
[18:49] <prg318> through /etc/network/interfaces (not asking about NetworkManager)
[18:49] <dStruct> prg318: there are a few ways to do that, and I believe that should be the default method
[18:50] <tomreyn> sarath: that's a login session on TTY1 (ctrl-alt-f1 or -f2 to switch there)
[18:50] <prg318> is there some kind of dpkg reconfigure i can do? i set up static in the installer and then realized that I'll be needing dhcp on all
[18:51] <dStruct> prg318: do you not want to use network-manager?
[18:51] <prg318> no; i don't have it installed (ubuntu-server)
[18:51] <prg318> afaik anyway
[18:52] <sarath> tomreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23712843/ believe this is the process
[18:52] <tomreyn> sarath: is do-release-upgrade still running then? run "sudo pstree" and look at the branch relevant to the release upgrader.
[18:52] <tomreyn> sarath: ah so i was right about the separate ssh srill running and listening on port 1022
[18:53] <tomreyn> sarath: so: ssh -p 1022 yourserversipadress
[18:53] <blib1> currently I have to login for the ubuntu box to connect to the wireless network - how do I make that happen at boot time?
[18:54] <dStruct> prg318: /etc/network/interfaces and putting auto eth0, and then iface eth0 inet dhcp should do it
[18:54] <dStruct> prg318: assuming eth0 obviously
[18:54] <tomreyn> blib1: edit wireless connections and tick the checkbox  to make it available system-wide / for all users.
[18:55] <sarath> it works, but opens new shell.. I want to go back to the process 28062
[18:56] <tomreyn> sarath: maybe you need to connect using a different user account. which user owns PID 28062?
[18:56] <sarath> that is root
[18:56] <sarath> no password for it
[18:57] <prg318> dStruct: so yeah that will work for eth0 but i'm trying to get it to use dhcp for every single network interface - i have six
[18:57] <tomreyn> hmm,i'm pretty sure do-release-upgrade prints a message on screen when it spawns this extra sshd, explaining how to recover from it. but i don't remember it.
[18:57] <prg318> it's a really weird use case but i just want all physical network interfaces to use dhcp for addressing
[18:57] <dStruct> prg318: you'll need entries for each interface then, eth0 eth1 etc
[18:58] <prg318> okay - the strange thing is that i don't know if they are reliably enumerated the same way...  i have enp3s0, enp5s0, enp13s0, etc
[18:58] <dStruct> prg318: nothing wrong with that, I actually prefer that in some situations, as I'd prefer to control static assigned addresses from the DHCP server if I do use static for something
[18:58] <prg318> so they aren't sequential
[18:59] <dStruct> prg318: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[19:00] <tomreyn> sarath: look at the *second* asnwer at http://askubuntu.com/questions/8884/whats-the-risk-of-upgrading-over-ssh
[19:00] <dStruct> prg318: see the part about ethernet logical names
[19:01] <tomreyn> sarath: "If your ssh session gets disconnected, you can resume the installation. All you have to do is open a new ssh session, and run do-release-upgrade again. It will reconnect to your previous installation." - this is from 2014, however.
[19:01] <tomreyn> ... but then you already tried sudo screen -x
[19:03] <prg318> dStruct: problem with mapping mac addresses to interfaces is that i need an image that will work on multiple machines that will have different MACs.. which is why i was hoping i could wildcard * to use dhcp
[19:03] <prg318> or eth* enp*
[19:03] <dStruct> sarath: basically if you didn't use screen prior to being disconnected, there is no way to properly reconnect to your disconnected session, it can be done but you'll break some stuff and your upgrade wont be happy about it
[19:03] <prg318> i could install network manager i guess? or reinstall with ubuntu-desktop or something
[19:03] <dStruct> prg318: ahh well you didn't say anything about making a master image :D
[19:04] <dStruct> prg318: if you're not on a desktop version there's no point
[19:04] <dStruct> prg318: so what is it you're trying to do?
[19:04] <prg318> i just want any detected network interfaces to attempt to use dhcp for ip addressing
[19:05] <xangua> Well I just restarted and can't come back from suspend again
[19:07] <jgcampbell300> ok so another xorg question ... do i really need to set ( Option "DPI") if the system can get the info from all of my monitors
[19:09] <dStruct> xangua: try ctrl+alt+f1 and login and type pm-suspend, does it wake/sleep that way?
[19:10] <dStruct> prg318: since you have random devices and you're making a image for multiple machines you may want to use network-manager or wicd
[19:11] <xangua> dStruct: no after reboot
[19:11] <prg318> okay thanks.. i think i'll just make an image based off of -desktop so networkmanager is preconfigured
[19:11] <hdmi-guest> Hello, I'm the guest that just asked about HDMI audio problems. I tried to update the drivers, but failed. I had to nuke and reinstall nvidia through the official repos. I checked the Nouveau drivers and it didn't change anything either.
[19:12] <prg318> thanks dStruct  !!! much appreciated for your help
[19:12] <dStruct> prg318: before you do that, you may try installing network-manager, if I remember right it may set DHCP by default
[19:12] <dStruct> prg318: sure thing, good luck :D
[19:12] <prg318> yeah i may go that route
[19:12] <prg318> thank you
[19:13] <dStruct> xangua: hmm, and you have the latest current Ubuntu version?
[19:13] <sintre> hdmi-guest is this a complete no sound issue?
[19:13] <xangua> dStruct: 16.04
[19:17] <hdmi-guest> sentre, no, it slows the audio and drops the pitch. Everyone sounds like creepy old men using voice changing software.
[19:18] <hdmi-guest> sintre*
[19:18] <tekisui> fogive me lord for i have sinned
[19:18] <sintre> hmdi-guest i had a no sound issue with kubuntu , i had to manually change the config in audio
[19:18] <dStruct> tekisui: stop watching googling men in petty coats then?
[19:18] <sintre> if you can find those settings start to try different hdmi configs i had 7 different ones
[19:18] <tekisui> i bought this laptop with windows 13
[19:19] <tekisui> (:
[19:19] <sintre> hmdi-guest > of the 7 only one even worked
[19:19] <dStruct> tekisui: Winblows is not an Operating System it's a myth
[19:19] <sintre> hdmi-guest>make sure you have the hmdi tv/monitor you want sound thru connected or the configs won't even apear
[19:19] <tekisui> ahaaaaa
[19:20] <tekisui> :)
[19:24] <hdmi-guest> The unity sound settings don't have the same configs. I have Input, sound effects, input, and applications and balance.
[19:26] <sintre> hdmi-guest
[19:26] <sintre> sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[19:26] <sintre> some people have used this to change config profile might wanna give ti a shot
[19:26] <sintre> once installed go to the tab the has hdmi profiles
[19:30] <hdmi-guest> Sintre, I have the HDMI cable plugged in, but everything but the creepy man voice setting says unplugged.
[19:30] <sintre> did you install that app
[19:31] <hdmi-guest> Yes. the app has multiple profiles, but the rest of them are silent.
[19:31] <prg318> in 16.10 desktop: does network manager start networking interfaces on boot? or on log in? (by default)
[19:31] <sintre> so only profile that works still gives you keep man voice?
[19:32] <hdmi-guest> yes.
[19:32] <sintre> now this is a head scratcher
[19:32] <sintre> i assume you cna elimate tv fault as you've used it with other devices correct
[19:33] <hdmi-guest> Yes, the tv works fine. My windows plays audio through it perfectly last time I checked.
[19:33] <sintre> well , only good thing is you are getting sound , so what the heck is going on is beyond me
[19:33] <sintre> wish i could help you further
[19:33] <sintre> :(
[19:34] <hdmi-guest> Lol. Thanks for trying. it seems you got closer than I did to solving it.
[19:34] <sintre> i'd keep googling , also check if there is a bio update and everything else in between
[19:34] <rossellaup> buona sera
[19:34] <rossellaup> !list
[19:34] <sintre> just make sure you tryEVERY profile it has ,
[19:35] <hdmi-guest> I did, but nothing. They all say unplugged.
[19:35] <skjones> question - i like the feature in linuxmint of hovering mouse over menu bar and using wheel to cycle through open apps.  is there a similar setting in ubuntu for the same functionality of cycling through open apps with mouse wheel?
[19:35] <sintre> so you get video though
[19:36] <sintre> even if they say unplugged can you select them
[19:36] <sintre> if so do it, see what happens
[19:36] <hdmi-guest> I get video fine.  Two boots ago, the sound worked fine. I don't know what caused it though...
[19:37] <sintre> instll/update of any sorts?
[19:37] <xangua> skjones: you'll have to be more specific as what desktop are you referring?
[19:37] <sintre> can you test  live usb/dvd
[19:37] <sarath> tomreyn: i got it going.. killed dpkg and restarted.. following ->https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1702295&s=8eb6da9295e2478654bed0277534eb67&p=12291714#post12291714
[19:37] <hdmi-guest> I tried "apt update" but it said it was up to date. The rest of the profiles have no audio.
[19:38] <soop> skjones: gnome/kdea/unity etc?
[19:38] <skjones> soop: unity
[19:38] <sintre> wel if it worked then stoped , test a live usb
[19:38] <skjones> xangua: unity
[19:39] <sintre> then you'll have a better place to start looking to trouble shoot if it works or doesn't
[19:39] <xangua> skjones: you're still not being clear, is this "mint function" available in unity?
[19:39] <arm1e> Having installed separate home partition the machine boots into mainanence mode. Can login and run mount -a then ctrl+D and it works fine. Need to do this on every reboot. Any ideas how to fix?
[19:39] <hdmi-guest> Ok, I might try that. I have to go now. I will try to fix it later. Thanks again for all of your help.
[19:40] <sintre> hmdi-guest good luck i know the pain  :)
[19:40] <hdmi-guest> XD
[19:40] <skjones> xangua: i would like to switch between open apps with the mouse wheel in unity
[19:40] <sarath> BTW, any easy way to "downgrade" the ubuntu desktop installation to server installation?
[19:40] <xangua> skjones: maybe you should go ask mint support, they should know better what you're referring to
[19:40] <xangua> And tell you what tool does that
[19:43] <javocado> so i confirmed the issue with rfkill hardblock wifi is that the Fn key to toggle WiFi isn't registered (confirmed by xev)
[19:44] <javocado> EriC^^: ^
[19:45] <javocado> dStruct: ^
[19:45] <dStruct> javocado: that might do it
[19:45] <javocado> so how do i get that particulat Fn key to work? :)
[19:45] <javocado> getting lots of forum threads from 2012
[19:45] <skjones> xangua: i'm sure it's a feature in cinnamon - i was just looking for something in ubuntu with the same mouse wheel switching function for open apps for unity
[19:46] <dStruct> javocado: hard to say for sure, if you knew the keycode you could push it manually with a command maybe on boot up i.e. /etc/rc.local for example
[19:46] <mirak> is there a way to remove all packages just installed from the previous apt-get install ?
[19:46] <OerHeks> iirc FN + wifi is a hardwarekey, most BIOSes don't allow Fn behavior to be changed ( so do, in the bios)
[19:47] <OerHeks> c/so do - if so
[19:47] <EriC^^> javocado: look into setting acpi_osi= in grub
[19:48] <xangua> skjones: not even in the crazy Compiz fusion days I saw anything like scroll in the menu bar to switch apps, do you refer maybe to a Windows list... Not the MENU bar?
[19:48] <javocado> EriC^^: any negative consequences to that?
[19:50] <skjones> xangua: ok, windows list - is there a way to mouse whell through windows list?
[19:50] <skjones> xangua: *wheel
[19:50] <xangua> skjones: is it the windows list or the menu bar finally?
[19:51] <skjones> xangua: windows list
[19:52] <xangua> skjones: in unity you could install a Windows list indicator, but I don't know if you can scroll that....A window list is usually something a more traditional desktop (Xfce, mate, KDE, lxde) uses
[19:53] <arm1e> can anyone help RE: unable to ount filesystem on boot
[19:53] <arm1e> *mount
[19:54] <xangua> skjones: both unity and gnome shell use a "dock" in a vanilla install, not a Windows list
[19:55] <gp> anyone happen to know how I can instruct cups to default my printer to use the -o fit-to-page option?
[19:56] <jgcampbell300> think i have my xorg.conf right but seems desktop manager is not populating other 3 monitors ... would somone mind looking over my conf file for errors please http://paste.ubuntu.com/23713191/
[19:58] <urmygoogle> Grub works on uefi?
[20:00] <urmygoogle> Are there a any computer or tablet or phone without bios?
[20:00] <j41> urmygoogle: No
[20:01] <j41> urmygoogle: All computers have a BIOS in one way or another
[20:01] <tonyt> uefi now
[20:01] <backbox> hello
[20:01] <rogo> hi. how can i solve this: https://snag.gy/D35IwW.jpg  ?    I try to install "stuntrally" game on 16.04 .
[20:01] <j41> tonyt: It's still a bios in the sense of the word
[20:01] <tonyt> ya
[20:01] <j41> :P
[20:01] <backbox> helloo listenn too mee
[20:02] <urmygoogle> Phone also have bios?
[20:02] <backbox> pleasee my msfvenom payload isnt working and communicating
[20:02] <j41> urmygoogle: Yes
[20:02] <ervedprakash> hi to everyone
[20:02] <Rezz_> hello :D
[20:02] <ervedprakash> can anyone tell me how to install oracle database on ubuntu
[20:02] <urmygoogle> Grub works on uefi?
[20:03] <j41> urmygoogle: The BIOS stage is normally when you see the device manufacturer's logo on a phone
[20:03] <prg318> what's the equivilent of rc.local in ubuntu 16.10 if i don't have time to write unit files and just need to run a script on boot
[20:03] <beef__> backbox - whats the error?
[20:03] <j41> urmygoogle: Yes - See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[20:03] <backbox> its not opening the session
[20:03] <urmygoogle> Bios checks and verifies each hardware or peripherals initially?
[20:03] <prg318> oh i guess i can enable the rc-local service
[20:04] <j41> urmygoogle: Yes, it should do
[20:04] <j41> urmygoogle: During the POST process
[20:04] <prg318> actually that didn't work at all
[20:04] <urmygoogle> If any one hardware is found faulty; will it stop further processingor booting process?
[20:04] <j41> urmygoogle: It depends on the hardware and on the BIOS itself
[20:04] <urmygoogle> Let's say mouse
[20:05] <urmygoogle> Or hard drive
[20:05] <urmygoogle> How it is dependant on bios?
[20:05] <j41> urmygoogle: For example, if a keyboard isn't detected, some BIOSes will stop the boot process, some will continue
[20:05] <skjones> xangua: thanks for the conversation and info
[20:05] <urmygoogle> Is it possible to change bios?
[20:05] <rogo> @urmygoogle: do you mean an upgrade? yes
[20:05] <urmygoogle> Or configure
[20:05] <psykotik1> can someone help with this dependency problem? libbamf3-0 : Depends: bamfdaemon (= 0.2.118-1.3)
[20:06] <j41> urmygoogle: Not really. You can sometimes get replacement ones if you 'brick' yours, and you can upgrade them
[20:06] <j41> urmygoogle: You can enter your BIOSes settings to configure the basic settings
[20:06] <rogo> @psykotik1i have dependency problem too: hi. how can i solve this: https://snag.gy/D35IwW.jpg  ?    I try to install "stuntrally" game on 16.04 .
[20:06] <urmygoogle> j41:  instead of keyboard I want mouse
[20:06] <OerHeks> urmygoogle, check "halt on no errors"
[20:06] <urmygoogle> Such kind of configuration
[20:06] <j41> urmygoogle: A mouse isn't essential to a computer, so I doubt it will interupt the boot process
[20:07] <GroundZero> need help
[20:07] <rogo> i really got stuck : https://snag.gy/D35IwW.jpg