[01:13] <Cine> yeah, its 3d, but if you only use planes, and leave the camera on one of the planes, then it becomes 2d... they use the same 3d software to make southpark that made Jurrasic Park dinosaurs...
[01:13] <dazzed> nico_: ill bet you about<PHONE_NUMBER>000 dollars windows has more processes running then ubuntu even has to run
[01:13] <Cine> 2d use of a 3d progie...
[01:14] <holycow> nico_, sorry your question frustrate me and i just want to slap you, but i know it's just because you are trying hard with english ... wish i knew italian
[01:14] <nico_> how i do to check if i'm working at 100mb in lan
[01:14] <wdh> holycow, im quite certain i downloaded at 10mb/s once :) back in the days i had a _real_ internet connection :)
[01:14] <wdh> 10mb/s == 80 mbit :)
[01:14] <holycow> nico_, you transfer a file from windows to ubuntu ... or vise versa
[01:14] <dazzed> chekc your transfer rate when moving files
[01:14] <holycow> nico_, you transfer one VERY BIG FILE, not a bunch of small files
[01:14] <holycow> say like the ubuntu iso
[01:15] <dazzed> do a 200 mb atleast
[01:15] <wdh> nico_, how much memory does your computer have?
[01:15] <dazzed> 64 im predicting
[01:15] <nico_> 256 ram pentium 3
[01:15] <nico_> it's the second pc
[01:15] <wdh> current gnome is known to mess up with memory.. and as such, windows might be quicker
[01:16] <dazzed> (do an upgrade ^-)
[01:16] <dazzed> but 256 still can handle anything ubu hast o offer
[01:16] <holycow> wdh, i have never seen this... ever
[01:16] <holycow> ever
[01:16] <holycow> if his gnome is slow he hasnt installed nvidia or ati drivers, for sure
[01:16] <odyssey> wdh, what do you mean by current 2.10?
[01:16] <dazzed> holycow: much truth
[01:16] <holycow> his complaint about slow network speed is bogus however
[01:16] <wdh> im on 256 also.. i experience problems when using too many kde packages/ OOo etc..
[01:16] <wdh> odyssey, the one thats in hoary
[01:17] <holycow> wdh, nonsense, i've run it on 64
[01:17] <dazzed> wdh: i dont think hes using any kde packages
[01:17] <dazzed> wdh: hes just got linux like yesterday
[01:17] <holycow> wdh, what sorts of problems are you even talkinga bout?
[01:17] <holycow> first gnome has nothign to do with memory management ... the kernel does that
[01:17] <wdh> dazzed, then my bet is that he should throw his computer out of the window :)
[01:17] <DJSelbeck> in what directory must i past the themes of kthemesmanager too have they in other qt applications,too
[01:17] <dazzed> lol
[01:18] <nico_> internet slowly can be cause of lan
[01:18] <holycow> second, i just don't believe you
[01:18] <nico_> but slowly in opening winows
[01:18] <holycow> nico_, no. seriously.  just no.
[01:18] <wdh> holycow, i'll try and find a proper link for it..
[01:18] <dazzed> nico_: if the internet is slow because of lan then there is NOWAY im telling you RIGHT NOW NO WAY that windows makes your lan faster in any form or fashion
[01:18] <holycow> wdh, i'd love to see it
[01:19] <nico_> dazzed, i have not understand
[01:19] <holycow> nico_, your biggest problem is that you don't know anything about this stuff, your completely confused about whats going on unfortunately :-/
[01:19] <dazzed> nico_: if your saying linux makes your lan conn slower...u need to stop using linux now
[01:19] <holycow> i'm not even sure where to begin to help you
[01:19] <nico_> sorry guys
[01:20] <nico_> i'm trying to use linux
[01:20] <dazzed> but you need to do some reading
[01:20] <nico_> I search an help in this forum
[01:20] <dazzed> what language u speak nico?
[01:20] <wdh> holycow, and my 'problems' are just related to everything running to slow.. i tend to like it to run 2 gnome sessions simulatiously, while using OOo, firefox, the gimp etc :P
[01:20] <holycow> nico_, no problem at all, but you need to google more about how networking works, your questions indicate that you misunderstand how it works to begin with
[01:21] <no0tic> nico_: come to #ubuntu-it
[01:21] <dazzed> i was about to say theres an ubuntu chat for ur languag
[01:21] <dazzed> e
[01:21] <holycow> wdh, nonsense, what do you mean by slowdowns?
[01:21] <dazzed> theif no0tic
[01:21] <nico_> thanks no0tic
[01:21] <holycow> no0tic, danke :)
[01:22] <dazzed> wdh: running 2 gnome sessions simotaniously** would run slower than running one?
[01:22] <wdh> holycow, my system not being quite responsive.. having to wait ages before OOo starts for example
[01:22] <holycow> wdh, that doesn't even make sense, all system resources are basically handled by the kernel
[01:23] <holycow> oo is slow to start anyway?
[01:23] <dazzed> wdh: that might be a configurable bug with 00o....in fluxbox i have to compile with certain options turned off and it makes my flux load a lot smooother run a lot faster
[01:23] <geargolem> Hi
[01:23] <Daehlie> oo takes forever to start
[01:23] <wdh> holycow, well.. but each application makes use of the memory.. and it can do that properly, or fuck it up by not giving back memory it was using before..
[01:23] <holycow> no
[01:23] <holycow> that has nothing to do with gnome
[01:23] <wdh> and the latter is the case with gnome
[01:23] <holycow> the kernel does that
[01:23] <dazzed> holycow is much right
[01:24] <holycow> your complaining about the wrong thing
[01:24] <holycow> oo is just slow to startup, its just coded that way, 2.0 is a little better
[01:24] <dazzed> gnome is a group of resources using memory controlled by the kernel like any other application
[01:24] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[01:24] <drcodedd2> what kernel ver ubuntu use in 5.04?
[01:24] <geargolem> Can someone tell me how to enable direct rendering on an xfree86 kernel?
[01:24] <dazzed> 1.6.10-5
[01:25] <dazzed> 2*.
[01:25] <dazzed> i can tell you to get off xfree :)
[01:25] <drcodedd2> k
[01:25] <drcodedd2> I dont know why my DI-30 dosnt work
[01:25] <holycow> wdh, linux system wide manages memory EXTREMELY well, an app can be slow to start but that has nothing to do with ram, that has everything to do with the app
[01:26] <holycow> gimp starts up slowly ... THATS BECAUSE GIMP IS HUUUUUUUGE
[01:26] <plagerism> whats the metapackage for building stuff??
[01:26] <holycow> right?
[01:26] <geargolem> dazzed, the other kernel doesn't support my driver
[01:26] <holycow> oo starts up slowly because OO IS HUUUUUGE, but also coded a leatle weakly
[01:26] <dazzed> geargolem: ohhh tahts the worst x.org is da shit
[01:26] <holycow> little even
[01:26] <geargolem> dazzed, not for my driver :P
[01:26] <dazzed> lol
[01:26] <k4rl> anyone know how to get sound in shockwave player?
[01:26] <holycow> wdh, if an app requests memory from the system, the kernel decides what to let go of, what to cache and what to realocate
[01:27] <k4rl> I get sound normally, like with xmms and co
[01:27] <wdh> holycow, yes, i know.. but what i read about.. is that applications get memory, basically they get that from the kernel.. but as soon as it is not using any part of the memroy.. it doesnt release it, but keeps it for later usage
[01:27] <k4rl> but not in shockwave inside firefox, and not in java outside firefox
[01:27] <dazzed> wdh whats wrong with that?
[01:27] <plagerism> what package do I install to get all the stuff like make gcc etc??
[01:27] <balor> k4rl: Some propritery products like shockwave and Java suck on Linux
[01:27] <dazzed> it keeps tiny bits...
[01:27] <odyssey> k4rl, you have the flash non free plugin installed?
[01:27] <holycow> wdh, let me put it to you this way, stop reading whatever crap you are reading, you are not a kernel hacker and don't know the first thing about whether or not thats bad
[01:27] <holycow> :)
[01:27] <dazzed> that makes it run more efficiently
[01:27] <Weiss> k4rl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:27] <holycow> i mean that in the nicest possible way
[01:27] <balor> k4rl: They're about 3 years behind the current tech
[01:27] <housetier> plagerism thats in the build-essential package
[01:28] <plagerism> thank you housetier
[01:28] <wdh> holycow, its not like i know much about the subject.. maybe i interpreted the article the wrong way..
[01:28] <dazzed> i think you did
[01:28] <holycow> wdh, what you are describing is how windows works and its WRONG :) k?  just trust me, thats how it needs to work
[01:28] <membreya> someone wanna test my FTP? I'm not sure if I've established PASV correctly and need an external person to test it
[01:28] <dazzed> membreya: i will
[01:28] <wdh> holycow, i hope i'll find that article.. maybe you can explain me what the problem is then :)
[01:28] <holycow> wdh, linux uses maximum ram possible at all times... the reason for this is to avoid basically paging to a very slow device, the hd. ram is millions of times faster
[01:29] <dazzed> membreya: and i think i know what u have to do
[01:29] <wdh> holycow, i know about that.. but that was not what i mean
[01:29] <dazzed> membreya: i went through same thing 2 days ago
[01:29] <geargolem> how do I enable direct rendering in xfree86?
[01:30] <wdh> holycow, this was more of a per-application-thing
[01:30] <holycow> wdh, it is possible for an application ot leak and eat up all the available ram, sure, it is also possible for an app to not handle multiple sessions well yes ... that has nothing t do with gnome
[01:30] <k4rl> weiss: excellent, that fixed firefox shockwave sound :)
[01:30] <holycow> *nod* right :) exactly, it's got nothing really to do with gnome, oo is like that, wait for 2.0 to see if there improvements
[01:30] <holycow> k4rl, you mean flash sound? there is no shockwave plugin for linux
[01:31] <scizzo> wdh: what exactly is the problem?
[01:31] <pussfeller> well, how does windows handle things that makes the core gui faster? does it reserve a certain amount of ram for the core or something?
[01:31] <k4rl> well, I'm at a .swf link.
[01:31] <k4rl> flash, shockwave, whatever.
[01:31] <k4rl> the sound works :)
[01:31] <no0tic> I googled but found nothing about problems with OfficeJet 1150C scanner and ubuntu. I can't configure it via ptal-init setup, it tells me "Access denied to parallel port!"
[01:31] <wdh> scizzo, it all gets down to the point that i need more memory :)
[01:31] <holycow> pussfeller, no, it runs drivers in kernel space and shares various things directly with the kernel from what i understand
[01:32] <Weiss> pussfeller: i understand it gives the foreground task a massive performance boost too
[01:32] <scizzo> wdh: how much memory do you have?
[01:32] <holycow> pussfeller, also probably slightly better optimization of their default de environment versus say gnome or kde
[01:32] <geargolem> direct rendering in xfree86?
[01:32] <geargolem> anyone know how?
[01:32] <wdh> scizzo, 256 mb
[01:32] <no0tic> on other distro scanner config was done via ptal-init setup without problems
[01:32] <scizzo> wdh: no wonder...
[01:33] <dazzed> scizzo: not so much
[01:33] <holycow> pussfeller, if you install a shitty window blinds theme on any windows for example, the entire machine can crawl to nothing, so a combination of various things.  the linux way is the right way to do it tho
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: OO takes up about 256....
[01:33] <odyssey> geargolem, edit  the xfree config file
[01:33] <dazzed> scizzo: i mean 256 can run ubu/gnome FINE
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: and that is standard
[01:33] <dazzed> but 00 is nothing to laugh at
[01:33] <geargolem> thnx odyssey
[01:33] <pussfeller> yes windows blinds will shut it way down
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: GIMP takes about 128 standard and then you can set the tile cache on that
[01:33] <holycow> 256 is more than enough ram, and no, oo does NOT take that much ram
[01:33] <scizzo> wdh: 256 is not much use today
[01:33] <pussfeller> so the core gui, explorer, is integrated into the main kernel
[01:33] <holycow> scizzo, what planet are you from?
[01:34] <scizzo> holycow: thank you...
[01:34] <pussfeller> and in linux, the core gui runs out side the kernel
[01:34] <plagerism> I have an old system backed up, is there a way to install all packages from the old system onto my new system using one of the old config files??
[01:34] <holycow> scizzo, stop talking nonsense, oo does not take anywhere near that much ram, thats beyond wrong
[01:34] <wdh> holycow, i found the link :)
[01:34] <wdh> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction
[01:34] <pussfeller> which is why its faster, and yet has more security holes
[01:34] <dazzed> i dont think any single app can take more then 100
[01:34] <dazzed> lol
[01:34] <holycow> 27 megs for writer to start, scizzo wtf are you talking about?
[01:34] <dazzed> 128
[01:34] <Daehlie> i have 512mb of ram and i have 255 used right now
[01:34] <dazzed> 256 is nothing to be afraid of...its fine to run
[01:34] <scizzo> holycow: are you always this nice to people?
[01:35] <holycow> scizzo, load up a huge document, maybe you start to run out of ram, but that statement is ridiculous
[01:35] <Daehlie> swapping sucks though
[01:35] <holycow> scizzo, well, tell me i'm wrong? telling someone oo takes 256 megs of ram is wrong.  period.
[01:35] <dazzed> i have 1.24 gigs of ram and im using like 180mb righ tnow...(i have an up time of 3 days)
[01:36] <shining> dazzed: your mem is useless then
[01:36] <holycow> sure if you load up a file into oo that takes up 500 megs of ram 256 will be eaten up and you start to swap, but thats another issue altogether
[01:36] <scizzo> holycow: well you can still be a little nicer to people...having a attitude like that does not help much
[01:36] <wdh> dazzed, i thought linux always uses 95%+ of memory?
[01:36] <holycow> scizzo, lol sorry, your right :)
[01:36] <scizzo> depending on what you are looking for
[01:37] <holycow> wdh, whatever is available, i also have 1.5 gigs of ram and only use a fraction, there just isn't anything to load up
[01:37] <dazzed> well im perfectly good
[01:37] <dazzed> im running aterm with gaim...i dont need more than 180megs of memory
[01:37] <scizzo> Suggested is to have: 128 MB for OO 2.0
[01:37] <scizzo> then yes...256 is enough
[01:37] <dazzed> and if u say that its going to use 95% of my 1.24 gigs to run aterm and gaim ur stupid
[01:37] <holycow> wdh, i use gimp for production and i can load up 1.2 gig files without much issue
[01:37] <pussfeller> im running kubunu on a p2 with 146 ram and its doable, but its slow
[01:37] <shining> I went from 32M free to 3M free by launching oowriter
[01:37] <holycow> scizzo, exactly, 256 is enough for most average workloads *nod*
[01:38] <scizzo> holycow: however if you could tell him how to view what is using most of the memory then maybe he could find the answer on his own...
[01:38] <k4rl> whatever, gnome is sluggish
[01:38] <k4rl> doesn't matter how much memory you have
[01:38] <holycow> shinning thats because oo takes 27 megs to startup :)
[01:38] <wdh> scizzo, top will do :)
[01:38] <scizzo> wdh: yes
[01:38] <holycow> k4rl, lol no sorry
[01:38] <k4rl> out of the box it is.
[01:38] <k4rl> aka for me, right here, with 768meg, and a very very default install
[01:38] <holycow> k4rl, no, its not, out of the box you are running vesa drivers
[01:39] <k4rl> it's sluggish
[01:39] <scizzo> holycow: however suggested for Win: 2.0 is 256
[01:39] <dazzed> rwafles
[01:39] <holycow> k4rl, you are complaining about vesa drivers being slow *sigh*, your complaining about the wrong thing
[01:39] <scizzo> holycow: and using Mac OS X: using neooffice is also 256
[01:39] <holycow> install binary drivers and your doing pretty well
[01:40] <dazzed> suggested ram useage doesnt mean taht 256 is going to be used 100% of the time
[01:40] <Astinus_> Hello, a little bit general question, if i install ubuntu on a computer for a a novice pc-user+kids and i do NOT give him/her root-password, is it still posible to FUBAR things?
[01:40] <holycow> scizzo, from the oo.org site?
[01:40] <pussfeller> yes if you have nvidia especially getting the "real" drivers will give you a nice boost in desktop performance
[01:40] <scizzo> 1.1 is suggested to have 64 MB if using Linux
[01:40] <scizzo> holycow: its suggested
[01:40] <scizzo> nothing else
[01:40] <scizzo> or required
[01:40] <holycow> Astinus, yes, the kids have sudo, which means they can sudo and command with their password and for example delete / if they way
[01:40] <scizzo> whatever
[01:40] <eskaypey> ok just tryed to install ubuntu on my evo n1020v lappy when install base system it gives following errors
[01:41] <holycow> Astinus, its one of my beefs with ubuntu
[01:41] <holycow> Astinus, you need to setup a second account with very limited sudo priviledges to remove the possibility of '
[01:41] <dazzed> i swear....i have to go test on windows...i have been to the class twice so far made it to each test and i have a 100....even windows classes are easy
[01:41] <holycow> 'fubar' :)
[01:41] <eskaypey> the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1)
[01:41] <shining> anyway I prefer launching abiword
[01:41] <eskaypey> check /var/logmessages or see virtual console 3 for the details
[01:41] <Astinus_> holycow: hmm...i see.
[01:42] <wdh> holycow, did you read the webpage of which i gave you the link?
[01:42] <holycow> scizzo, :) *nod* he will still be fine with 256, no question about that, i'm just hammering away at some of wdh's assumptions as they vaguely smell of 'why does ms office start so fast' kinda deal :)
[01:42] <Astinus_> holycow: would like to have something like ubuntu, just "bulletproof"
[01:42] <holycow> Astinus, basically think of the default ubuntu account as the administrator account on windows ... ripe for a hosing
[01:42] <scizzo> holycow: well I will go back to my planet and then be even more wrong about things...shouldn't I?
[01:42] <wdh> holycow, havent been using ms office in ages :)
[01:43] <holycow> the only difference is that to run any admin command you haveto type in the users pass, which usually is something weak.
[01:43] <holycow> wdh, will check in a sec
[01:43] <pussfeller> which is the controllng config file for hory, xorg.conf?
[01:43] <holycow> scizzo, rofl :) sorry, i'm a little edgy, my appologies
[01:44] <Astinus_> holycow: how are sudo priveliegs set and is it possible to - on logon - restore all settings to a set state / mandatory profile?
[01:44] <holycow> scizzo, bottom line, i've run gnome on 64 megs ram, it can be done, saying 256 is not enough is not correct, he should be able to do gimp and oo.o and a whole bunch of things with 256 megs ram without much swapping at all
[01:45] <holycow> Astinus, well, the config for that stuff is in /etc/sudoers , and unfortunately we don't yet have tools for security profiles and such ... so the rought answer is no.  it can be setup manually tho
[01:46] <Astinus_> holycow: so something like cp /etc/forcedkde /home/fubar/kde in the loginscript ?
[01:46] <eskaypey> ok guys just tryed to install ubuntu on my evo n1020v lappy, when installing the base system it gives the following errors -- the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) check /var/log/messages or see virtual console 3 for details
[01:46] <holycow> that would work *nod*
[01:47] <Astinus_> oh well guess i'll see what i'll do :>
[01:49] <holycow> scizzo, also please take my appology with the following perspective, i think it's important to try to stamp out misconceptions as much as possible, it's important to be vigilant on that front
[01:49] <holycow> as we start to get windows users to come over here, it's important that they are trained to understand how the system works and which parts they need to look at to make them work better
[01:50] <holycow> it's the old bus stop test, if a bus stop doesnt have a timer on when a bus will arrive even a minute feels like an hour, when you give people a timer and it says next bus in 20 minutes, it's bearable
[01:50] <holycow> a lot of users just get frustrated because they don't know why the problem occurs, not that it occurs, once they know why something is happening they go, oh okay it can be fixed i'll deal with it later
[01:51] <dazzed> holycow: you have a VERY good point
[01:51] <topyli> holycow: then they reinstall :)
[01:51] <holycow> hehe :)
[01:52] <wdh> holycow, i'll never say anything again :P
[01:53] <scizzo> holycow: explaining to hard with an attitude can also scare them...
[01:53] <scizzo> holycow: who would you listen to? the person explaining slowly and with a smile? or the person being angry and looking at you like you know nothing at all?
[01:54] <pussfeller> with nvidia, the dri module should NOT be loaded right
[01:54] <holycow> scizzo, you are correct *nod* sorry again :)
[01:55] <holycow> pussfeller, correct, also comment out glcore if its not
[01:55] <pussfeller> casue, i just noticed I dont have direct rendering in glxinfo
[01:56] <pussfeller> after the upgrade to haory, i thot sudo nvidia-glx-config enable took care of all that
[01:56] <holycow> i thought mine did that, i dont remember commenting it out my self ...
[01:56] <scizzo> holycow: something I have learned after having a teacher almost taking away my grades even though I had the highest grades on everything....the only thing was that I was nothing he liked to talk to
[01:56] <holycow> oh nm, i used my old xfree config file, i don't know if it should have done it or not
[01:57] <pussfeller> hmm, then how was we able to play ETF
[01:57] <pussfeller> and ut and q3
[01:57] <pussfeller> glxinfo must be wrong
[01:57] <djp> is anyone using gplflash here?
[01:57] <wdh> any experience here getting a via km400 onboard graphics card to work correctly w/ acceleration?
[01:58] <membreya> anyone here on OptusCable???
[01:59] <wdh> holycow, nice reading?
[01:59] <MrMiaow> membreya:  yes
[02:01] <djp> is anyone using gplflash here?
[02:02] <dazzed> god i love linux
[02:02] <dazzed> jeeze its great
[02:04] <zero[] > anybody know how i can change the panel autohide delay in gnome?
[02:05] <mjr> zero[] , gconf-editor
[02:05] <mjr> apps/panel/global/panel_hide_delay seems to be something like that
[02:05] <zero[] > mjr: i tried that
[02:05] <zero[] > and nothing changed
[02:05] <mjr> well, dunno then
[02:05] <zero[] > i changed it from '300' to '10'
[02:09] <bassMonkey> I had my local "guru" here to help me with cups, and at one point he did a "sudo chmod -R 700 /home/fgrano/", is this going to do any harm besides not letting anyone but me access my own home?
[02:09] <b0ol> i got to partitions how to make 1 out of 2?
[02:09] <b0ol> two i meant :)
[02:10] <njan> bassMonkey, not unless you have anything else (e.g. a mail system) writing to your home directory.
[02:10] <mjr> bassMonkey, well, side effects include eg. the non-visibility of your public_html, if that's an issue
[02:10] <bassMonkey> njan: and I don't have that by default?
[02:11] <njan> bassMonkey, highly unlikely. Unless you run a mailserver off your PC.
[02:11] <njan> And I think you'd know if that were the case :)
[02:12] <bassMonkey> ok, thanks, what's the default mod?
[02:12] <bassMonkey> 755?
[02:13] <wdh> holycow, and? what do you say about the mem-reduction part? do you at least understand what i meant?
[02:14] <wdh> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction  << link again
[02:14] <njan> bassMonkey, I think so. Not sure, I've pissed around with my ubuntu system :)
[02:15] <bassMonkey> njan: =) ok, but thanks anyway...
[02:18] <SiRrUs> good morning
[02:19] <Rhymes> is there a software to grab the desktop and generate an mpeg in ubuntu?
[02:20] <k4rl> I'm getting sound but no video with totem playing an mpg, any suggestions?
[02:20] <balor> k4rl: install ffmpeg libraries
[02:21] <mjr> yep; spesifically, gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg for totem-gstreamer
[02:21] <balor> Rhymes: Not that I know of...there's some software that'll make an MJpeg, but it's nasty
[02:21] <Rhymes> mmm
[02:21] <Rhymes> ok thanks
[02:21] <k4rl> how many mpgs are there that I wouldn't need that for?
[02:21] <b0ol> hello?
[02:21] <b0ol> how to move a partition to the beginning of the sectors?
[02:21] <mjr> k4rl, patents
[02:22] <balor> b0ol: you can't unless you want to reformat the whole hard disk
[02:22] <b0ol> damn......................................................
[02:22] <k4rl> well, it's not mentioned on the restricted formats page either
[02:22] <b0ol> that sux
[02:22] <balor> b0ol: Is it necessary?
[02:22] <b0ol> yes
[02:22] <b0ol> unfortunately :/
[02:22] <b0ol> i had 3 partitions on one hdd
[02:22] <b0ol> the first and the 3rd i deleted
[02:22] <mjr> true, the magical Somebody should mention ffmpeg on the restrictedformats page
[02:22] <b0ol> now theres the 2nd
[02:23] <b0ol> i cant delete it because of 60 gb storage:/
[02:23] <b0ol> i want to merge part. 1 and 2
[02:23] <b0ol> so 2 big partitions
[02:23] <b0ol> and i have no where to copy the data of part. 2
[02:23] <b0ol> :/
[02:23] <b0ol> :<
[02:23] <balor> b0ol: I think you may be able to do that using Parted, but I'm not sure
[02:23] <balor> b0ol: and I value my data too much to try
[02:24] <b0ol> parted?
[02:24] <zero[] > is there a way to change a panel's width in gnome like in kde?
[02:24] <b0ol> zero[]
[02:24] <b0ol> rightclick on pane
[02:24] <b0ol> l
[02:24] <b0ol> then properties
[02:24] <wdh> b0ol, maybe gparted can do that
[02:24] <b0ol> :)
[02:24] <b0ol> gparted?
[02:24] <b0ol> parted?
[02:24] <eszanthrick> b0ol, you can use logical volume manager to make it appear as one partition
[02:24] <b0ol> wheres teh difference?
[02:24] <b0ol> no i want 2 REAL partitions :)
[02:25] <zero[] > b0ol: that only has the height size, no width
[02:25] <b0ol> ah
[02:25] <b0ol> hm....
[02:25] <wdh> b0ol, gparted is a gtk frontend for parted
[02:25] <chibifs> gparted rocks. :D
[02:25] <b0ol> below height you can choose one
[02:25] <b0ol> in german its called ausdehnen
[02:25] <b0ol> try this and use your mouse
[02:25] <zero[] > ah, expand
[02:25] <zero[] > got it
[02:25] <zero[] > thanks
[02:25] <b0ol> np :)
[02:25] <b0ol> k i'll  try gparted
[02:26] <wdh> b0ol, you could try to resize the two partitions a bit.. then move some data from part2-> part1.. and repeat that.. and so on, and so forth :)
[02:26] <b0ol> lol wdh :>
[02:26] <b0ol> no i'm currently trying parted
[02:27] <goldfish> HI guys, my friend installed ubuntu on his toshiba laptop, but his touchpad is mental, when u touch is slightly the mouse fliys across the screen, any ideas how to change this?
[02:27] <wdh> its just an option if merging wont work..
[02:27] <goldfish> s/is/it/
[02:27] <wdh> goldfish, system -> preferences -> mouse ?
[02:27] <goldfish> hmmm
[02:27] <b0ol> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
[02:27] <b0ol> i cant move the partition because its ntfs :!:!:!:
[02:28] <wdh> b0ol, can you resize it?
[02:28] <goldfish> wdh: Never thought of that, wonder if he did, thanks :)
[02:28] <b0ol> its ntfs :<
[02:28] <b0ol> i want it ext3 :/
[02:28] <wdh> b0ol, i succesfully resized ntfs a few times..
[02:28] <chibifs> Eww. NTFS. :D
[02:28] <b0ol> ntfs suxks imo
[02:29] <b0ol> *angry*
[02:29] <b0ol> *sad*
[02:29] <b0ol> :/
[02:29] <chibifs> Wait til WinFS comes out. Then we'll have real problems getting people's stuff moved. :D
[02:29] <b0ol> :)
[02:29] <Bazzi> WinFS is just NTFS :P
[02:29] <lukewarm> I've used qtparted to resize NTFS partitions several times, never had a problem
[02:29] <wdh> chibifs, winfs? something new on longhorn?
[02:29] <chibifs> Yeah. SQL style filesystem. Terrible idea in my opinion.
[02:30] <zeedo> wdh: something supposed to be with longhorn, but will be released separately
[02:30] <Bazzi> chibifs why should that be terrible?
[02:30] <k4rl> wikitastic, ffmpeg is now known about
[02:30] <wdh> b0ol, it shouldnt be a problem, what you want.. the way i told you is kinda boring, but it'll work :)
[02:31] <chibifs> Wasting more diskspace on orginization. I like messy filesystems like reiser. :D
[02:32] <chibifs> The orginization will be good for searching and less corrupting, but it sounds like it's going to be wastefull just for those kinds of speed optimizations.
[02:33] <chibifs> I love the whole longhorn working for more net integration thing, with all of it's major security holes that don't get solved for months. :D
[02:34] <Rhymes> balor: apt-cache show gvidcap
[02:35] <b0ol> gnz damn :/
[02:35] <b0ol> i hate  ntfs :/
[02:35] <wdh> b0ol, why?
[02:35] <b0ol> because resizing would mean datalost
[02:35] <b0ol> :<
[02:36] <Seveas> b0ol, not if you have the money to buy partition magic :)
[02:36] <wdh> b0ol, why is that?
[02:36] <Xappe> or the guts for piracy ;)
[02:39] <b0ol> i dont kno
[02:39] <b0ol> w
[02:39] <b0ol> :<
[02:39] <b0ol> damn damn damn...
[02:39] <k4rl> well, partition magic doesn't even work on my harddrive
[02:39] <b0ol> im thinking (hard for me:/)
[02:39] <k4rl> it complains that the partitions are in error
[02:39] <chibifs> Partition Magic hasn't gotten an update in yeeeaarrss. @_@
[02:39] <k4rl> but it works fine for windows and linux
[02:39] <k4rl> like, ever since norton bought it
[02:40] <chibifs> I don't think it likes reiser at all.
[02:42] <ShaneAu> Hey I got a problem that  I doubt anyone will be able to help me with. :P. I have my Ubuntu setup to sort the internet connection, so basically it's a router, it does firewalling, etc for my home network, but then it goes to my netgear router, then  other PC's in the network connect to my netgear router. So it goes ... Internet > Cable Modem > Linux Box > Netgear Router > Other PC's. My problem is, I can ping the linux box from other
[02:42] <ShaneAu> boxes on the network, but the linux box can't ping or "see" other boxes on the network. I have no idea how it's working, but it still does.
[02:43] <ShaneAu> So I can't get the linux box to do filesharing, etc.
[02:43] <ShaneAu> And I want it to be a fileserver for the network aswel
[02:44] <hypno> ShaneAu: is the netgear doing nat?
[02:44] <ShaneAu> I have no idea.
[02:45] <ShaneAu> netgear makes things hard, it don't have just a simple option to put it into a "bridge mode" :(
[02:45] <ShaneAu> lol
[02:45] <User798> can anyoen hear me
[02:46] <ShaneAu> But you've given me an idea hypno..
[02:46] <wdh> User798, nope.. we're probably some 100+ miles seperated from each other.. as such, i cannot hear you :)
[02:47] <eszanthrick> User798, if you're the guy outside spitting.. please stop
[02:48] <holycow> ShaneAu, just out of curiosity, why is ubuntu ahead of the router?
[02:48] <ShaneAu> Because Ubuntu is going to BE the main router
[02:49] <holycow> and the reason you can't see the other pc's behind the netgear is because the netgear is preventing external pings like that
[02:49] <holycow> you would need to do port forwarding to ping the pc's behind the router
[02:49] <ShaneAu> Ubuntu will control my home network, well that's my plan
[02:49] <ShaneAu> Hum
[02:49] <ShaneAu> Ok
[02:49] <ShaneAu> I'm going to try Default DMZ
[02:49] <ShaneAu> or what ever itis
[02:49] <holycow> if you have something pingable in dmz that should work
[02:50] <holycow> a dmz is just a compy or a group of  compies that are directly visible to the internet
[02:51] <djp> do i need to install xmms in order to listen to .pls and .m3u files within firefox using mozplugger?
[02:51] <holycow> essentially a second network, not tied to your internal network
[02:51] <holycow> djp, the answer is yes, mozplugger takes an app and makes it avialable as an ebmedded dealy intside moz ... sorta
[02:51] <holycow> however
[02:52] <holycow> i would strongly recommend not doing mozplugger things
[02:52] <Nic> you
[02:52] <Nic> err
[02:52] <Nic> yo :P
[02:52] <holycow> just use the standalone players, they work better that way and are designed to be standalone
[02:53] <holycow> all the embedding garbage people put on their websites are bad habits that microsoft taught people over the last 10 years ... should be avoided when possible
[02:53] <holycow> i'm gonna hire someone to write me an app like flash blocker that prevents embedded streams, and instead passes them off to the right standalone player
[02:53] <Nic> trying to build a package using dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[02:53] <Nic> but i get this error dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
[02:54] <dutch> morning
[03:00] <wdh> morning dutch, im dutch :)
[03:01] <bernard__> hello
[03:01] <ShaneAu> Ok i can ping to here... Windows box (<IP_ADDRESS>) > Netgear Router (<IP_ADDRESS>) > Linux Box (<IP_ADDRESS>), but not the other way around
[03:02] <bernard__> does anybody know how to get gstreamer use opengl?
[03:02] <wdh> holycow, awake?
[03:02] <holycow>  wdh hehe, yup, got a full day of work ahead of me still
[03:02] <djp> holycow: thanks fo the advice. i gather (as you discuss) that embedded file types will not play though?
[03:03] <holycow> ShaneAu, port forward some services to your win machines in your netgear router, then ping them
[03:03] <wdh> holycow, good luck then.. did you have any chance to skim the link i gave you?
[03:03] <holycow> google what port you need open for ping to work
[03:03] <ShaneAu> The router has an option of disabling ping, I've unticked it
[03:03] <ShaneAu> So it should allow
[03:03] <holycow> djp, they will, just depends on what file type and what kind of player  you have.  its just generally a bad idea, browser are not designed for that
[03:04] <holycow> wdh, oh, can you post linkage once again? i had to go to the store for a bit
[03:04] <holycow> ShaneAu, your windows machines have firewall on them?
[03:04] <ShaneAu> Yes, but I've put the IP's into "trusted zone"
[03:05] <ShaneAu> I'll disable it
[03:05] <wdh> http://live.gnome.org/MemoryReduction
[03:05] <bernard__> does anybody know how to get gstreamer use opengl?
[03:05] <holycow> wdh, danke :)
[03:05] <GNAM> I need a text-editor for large files... It must do not load file, but only part of file needed at moment
[03:05] <djp> holycow: thanks
[03:06] <holycow> djp, np.
[03:06] <ShaneAu> humm if I do a traceroute
[03:06] <ShaneAu> to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:06] <ShaneAu> it seems to go via the internet
[03:06] <ShaneAu> trys
[03:06] <wdh> ShaneAu, go sue the internet then!
[03:06] <wdh> :P
[03:06] <ShaneAu> lol
[03:07] <] BreliC[> shouldn't all three boxes be on the same level.. i.e. 192.168.1.xxx ?
[03:07] <] BreliC[> why is the windows box .0 ?
[03:07] <ShaneAu> If I do that, things don't work at all
[03:07] <ShaneAu> :-s
[03:07] <ShaneAu> I don
[03:07] <holycow> ShaneAu, you have two nics on the linux box? one has an internal static ip the other external net ip?
[03:08] <ShaneAu> It's crazy, the only way to make the internet share is for this linux box to have a DCHP server running wihch only assigns an IP for the netgear router, then I have to turn a DHCP server on the netgear router aswell, otherwise things will just timeout while trying to get an IP (thigns connected to the netgear router\_
[03:08] <holycow> can the linux box open up the netgear admin page?
[03:08] <ShaneAu> yes
[03:08] <ShaneAu> Two nics
[03:08] <ShaneAu> no
[03:08] <ShaneAu> Oh wait
[03:09] <zero[] > how can i make my desktops go left-right instead of up-down?
[03:09] <ShaneAu> I can ping  <IP_ADDRESS> (the router)
[03:09] <] BreliC[> ShaneAu, then there's definitely something wrong in your setup.. you should not need linux to run DHCP if the router has one
[03:09] <] BreliC[> it's redundant
[03:09] <goldfish> holy shit
[03:09] <ShaneAu> but I cannot go to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:09] <goldfish> someone is brute forcing me :/
[03:09] <holycow> zero[] , what do you mean? applications menu? drag the side bar to be vertical, but gnome panel is not designer for that
[03:09] <goldfish> what should i do?
[03:10] <holycow> ShaneAu, thats because you need to allo admin from outside on the netgear
[03:10] <ShaneAu> :(
[03:10] <ShaneAu> Yeah?
[03:10] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:10] <holycow> but if you can ping it it's the same thing
[03:10] <zero[] > holycow: no no, my virtual desktops.. for example if i want to switch virtual desktops using the keyboard shortcuts, it shows them veritcally (up-down), i want em to be left-right
[03:10] <zero[] > just a minor annoyance really
[03:10] <holycow> oh thats an applet
[03:11] <holycow> the applet only exists on the gnome panel
[03:11] <ShaneAu> holycow, how would you do it
[03:11] <holycow> you will need to find a replacement applet that sits on the desktop vetically maybe?
[03:11] <zero[] > holycow: i guess i'll just leave it the way it is then
[03:11] <ShaneAu> Like I have Linux box (<IP_ADDRESS>, DCHP server running)
[03:11] <UbuntuGet> Im going to run dev-breezy, I have added it in sources, but when I use smart update i synaptic, it removes evulotion, should I run default instead?
[03:12] <ShaneAu> Then Netgear router , (DHCP client running, it gets given <IP_ADDRESS>)
[03:12] <ShaneAu> Then I need DHCP server running on that aswell :s
[03:12] <holycow> ShaneAu, exactly what you did, i would actually need to take a look at the setup to see what else might be goin on, not sure at this point in time
[03:12] <wdh> UbuntuGet, you're my new hero :P
[03:12] <holycow> you can ping the router
[03:12] <holycow> that means your linux box is fine
[03:12] <ShaneAu> hum
[03:12] <] BreliC[> ShaneAu, i would turn off the DHCP router on Linux.. you don't need it
[03:12] <UbuntuGet> wdh, why?
[03:12] <chibifs> Evolution smells :D
[03:12] <wdh> UbuntuGet, breezy is not very stable yet :)
[03:13] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: whats wrong with hoary?
[03:13] <ShaneAu> Manually put the info in/
[03:13] <hmmm22> how can i delete the dns cache
[03:13] <ShaneAu> For some odd reason it don't like me doing that
[03:13] <chibifs> I'm using breezy, the only diference from hoary is broken stuff :P
[03:13] <ShaneAu> But I'll try.
[03:13] <UbuntuGet> scizzo, I doesn't have wesnith 0.9...
[03:13] <wdh> UbuntuGet, and will probably break a lot in the upcoming months :)
[03:13] <UbuntuGet> wesnoth*
[03:13] <holycow> hmmm22, check manuals for whatever dns server you are running
[03:13] <chibifs> hmmm22 - Linux doesn't keep a dns cache! D:
[03:13] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: then just install wesnoth
[03:13] <Vanilia> how i can install program to ubuntu?:D
[03:13] <] BreliC[> If I understand correctly, you have two machines (or three?) all connected to the Netgear, which accesses the net, correct?
[03:14] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: change the source...apt-get update ; apt-get install wesnoth-thingy
[03:14] <chibifs> What sort of programs, Vanilla?
[03:14] <holycow> ] BreliC[, yeah and he has a linux machine between the router and the net
[03:14] <Vanilia> chibifs, (ventrilo server 2.1.0)
[03:14] <dazzed> Vanilia: most apps you need or want are in synaptic
[03:14] <UbuntuGet> wdh, k, not so stable than hoary was in the first month of the year then
[03:14] <] BreliC[> holycow, what do you mean, between the router and the net?
[03:14] <UbuntuGet> scizzo, which sources?
[03:14] <hmmm22> the prob is. that when i want to ping (with hostname) a friend in the same network, linux always takes the IP-Adress from our School-Net.
[03:14] <holycow> ] BreliC[, exactly that, between the rouiter and the net
[03:14] <Vanilia> but i dont know how synaptic works:D
[03:14] <wdh> UbuntuGet, i wouldnt switch to an unstable release for playing a game.. :)
---<linux machine>
[03:15] <] BreliC[> holycow, is there not just a router, and everything behind it (i.e. linux box, windows box) goes through the router...?
[03:15] <holycow> ] BreliC[, i think he is setting up a linux router, and when he is happy i think he will pull the netgear out and let linux be the router
[03:15] <] BreliC[> ahh
[03:15] <wdh> UbuntuGet, try apt-pinning, if wesnoth0.9 is actually in breezy that is
[03:15] <Xappe> UbuntuGet: you can always compile wesnoth yourself
[03:16] <UbuntuGet> oh, yes :)
[03:16] <holycow> ] BreliC[, not on his setup, he's trying to setup linux as a router/firewall, right now he's play9ing with config, can't ping back through the router to win machines even though he unchecked the 'block ping' dealy on netgear gui
[03:16] <Vanilia> hm.. how i can add package to synaptic?:DD
[03:17] <] BreliC[> hmm
[03:17] <ShaneAu> well i disabled dhcp on the linux box and gave the router <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:17] <scizzo> UbuntuGet: don't upgrade to breezy...just install wesnoth
[03:17] <scizzo> if it is available
[03:17] <holycow> wdh, thats a very good article btw ...
[03:17] <dockane> shame on me
[03:17] <dazzed> why is everyone so intent on gettin breezy...its still in the dev stage
[03:17] <dazzed> ...
[03:18] <] BreliC[> yeah, Hoary *just* came out
[03:18] <dazzed> i know right
[03:18] <wdh> holycow, understand what i mean now? since i am not an expert on the subject, i probably misunderstood it and explained it wrong to you :)
[03:18] <ShaneAu> Things are the same as they were, but without DHCp srv running on Linux
[03:18] <holycow> dazzed, rofl, not to mentione that ubuntu IS DEBIAN UNSTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:18] <holycow> it's like they want to be using debian unstable unstable or something :)
[03:18] <dazzed> holycow: rawfles
[03:18] <UbuntuGet> scizzo, will do it..
[03:18] <] BreliC[> more like debian insane
[03:18] <dazzed> lol how true how true
[03:19] <] BreliC[> or bipolar debian
[03:19] <kkathman> how would I find out the version of a particular package that is installed on an ubuntu system?
[03:19] <dockane> i wondered why my laptop (p3 800, 192 mb sdram) "feels" quicker in working with gnome than my desktop (p3 800, 512 mb rambus, scsi) : maybe its because there is 386 kernel running instead of 686 ?
[03:19] <dazzed> damn charlies angels 2 is hot
[03:20] <ShaneAu> holycow, I can access the router from the linux box now
[03:20] <holycow> wdh, *nod* i would interpret that page to be basically saying 'we need to optimize better'
[03:20] <bretzel> Happy birthday to meself -:)  -;(
[03:20] <ShaneAu> But I enabled that it be accessed remotly and only by the linux box's IP
[03:20] <giga> hello
[03:20] <] BreliC[> kkathman, if it's a binary, type the binary file in command like and -v (so, gcc -v)
[03:20] <] BreliC[> or gcc --version
[03:20] <holycow> wdh, i would say that as much as i like to hang ms, the do good work, those aren't stupid people, windows is optimized for a very specific task, and thats basically to trick the user into 'feeling' that its faster, when it isn't
[03:20] <wdh> holycow, i probably need to stop using this may applications simultaniously
[03:20] <dockane> how do i change that ? (386->686)
[03:21] <kkathman> thanks ] BreliC[
[03:21] <giga> could you hlp me to fing good mp3 player for ubuntu?
[03:21] <dockane> or is there no difference
[03:21] <holycow> wdh, for example, people think windows starts faster, it doesn't it just shows the desktop while loading yet another minute in the background
[03:21] <wdh> holycow, true..
[03:21] <] BreliC[> kkathman, the other way to find out packages is to use dpkg -l (so, 'sudo dpkg -l | grep <packagename>')
[03:21] <dazzed> true
[03:21] <holycow> wdh, as well, they do funky shit like share librariries with the system and ie and ms office, so when you start windows you start ie and office
[03:21] <guruff> hello :)
[03:21] <wdh> but still.. i like my system to respond when i 'ask' it something
[03:21] <holycow> so sure office starts faster, its already urnning, which is exactly equivalent to if you have oo.o running and you open up a new window ... same speed
[03:22] <comforteagle_> Following ubuntuguide.org: when adding the extra repositories, adding ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat doesn't result in a good "apt-get update"
[03:22] <dazzed> ] BreliC[: dpkg -l packagename points to all locations of desired package
[03:22] <ShaneAu> This is so strange, I can ping <IP_ADDRESS> (netgear router) but not trace...
[03:22] <wdh> comforteagle_, as such, ubuntuguide.org is unofficial
[03:22] <holycow> wdh, i donno, don't feel your pain at all, apps take time to actually boot, and frankly the day linux starts oo and gimp when it boots is the day i shoot linus
[03:22] <wdh> comforteagle_, and so are the marillat repos
[03:23] <] BreliC[> dazzed, yeah, but 'dpkg -l | grep apache' for example, will show you apache related packages, and installed version number
[03:23] <comforteagle_> wdh, is there a more offical guide?
[03:23] <wdh> ghehe.. ok.. we misunderstood each othere earlier then..
[03:23] <dazzed> ] BreliC[: ahhh ok
[03:23] <wdh> holycow, i completely agree on the point you make now
[03:23] <holycow> wdh, what i'm suggesting here is that your expectation of 'responsive' is based on false ms tricks.  if you want the same nonsense here, talk to linus and have him boot oo and gimp as part of the kernel processes
[03:23] <dazzed> is true
[03:24] <dazzed> holycow is a smart man
[03:24] <holycow> wdh, i will say that to ms credit, ms office is much better coded/optimized than oo, sure no question
[03:24] <Raskall> anyone got a "quick and dirty" howto of how to get a mobile phone to work via bluetooth? (dialup, phone-manager and obex file transfers)
[03:24] <wdh> holycow, well.. im talking about behaviour within already started applications as well
[03:24] <holycow> dazzed, i take no credit for that, it'z the waffles
[03:24] <holycow> >_>
[03:24] <guruff> holycow; ms office is better - i don;t agree at ALL
[03:24] <dazzed> -:)
[03:24] <dazzed> guruff
[03:24] <dazzed> read what he said
[03:24] <holycow> wdh, if oo is open you find opening a new window slow? aha :)
[03:25] <wdh> holycow, and lots of other things ;P
[03:25] <holycow> wdh, hehe *shrug* i have no answer to that :) lol
[03:25] <dazzed> "much better coded/optimized" being better is matter of opinion
[03:25] <] BreliC[> BUT, OOo quick launcher will make it launch as quickly as MS Office at the expense of some memory for the quicklauncher
[03:25] <holycow> wdh, try kubuntu, particularly when kde 4.0 comes out, it will be compiled with gcc4 and should be screaming by all accounts :)
[03:25] <dazzed> piss on kde
[03:25] <dazzed> ...
[03:25] <dazzed> lol
[03:26] <wdh> holycow, but for the last few days everything was extra-slow.. been installing xp in qemu :)
[03:26] <comforteagle_> is there a list of good outside repositories to add? I'm trying to get sound and mulitmedia to work specifically.
[03:26] <wdh> so  now suddenly everything seems fast again :)
[03:26] <preglow> i'm trying to upgrade to amd64 breezy, but the dist-upgrade stops on package 'base-files' trying to overwrite /lib64 which also is in package 'lsb-core'. any pointers on how top fix this?
[03:26] <wdh> holycow, not sure what you mean.. screaming?
[03:26] <dazzed> preglow...if your wanting to install breezy dont expect help from me
[03:26] <bretzel> Q: I was used to launch klipper in gnome and its tray icon was visible into the gnome-panel tray, since I re-installed haory, and then kubuntu-desktop, klipper don't show in the panel ... any hints ?
[03:26] <ShaneAu> holycow, I have one of my NIC's going into my netgear routers WAN port (internet port?) what if I just put it in a normal LAN port, and not use the internet port in the router at all, would that possibly work?
[03:26] <dazzed> theres no point in updating to breezy at this time
[03:26] <preglow> gcc4 is a good point
[03:27] <preglow> you don't HAVE to help, don't worry
[03:27] <ShaneAu> I mean, one of the NIC's are conneted to the netgear routers wan port*
[03:27] <dazzed> preglow: im just trying to make a point
[03:27] <preglow> i've gotten that point delivered five thousand times, don't worry
[03:27] <preglow> i know it's not supposed to work
[03:27] <dazzed> preglow: updating to breezy will be like getting 20 new package upgrades on hoary...and having it be unstable and buggy
[03:27] <preglow> i'm comfortable with unstable
[03:27] <] BreliC[> hehe, if you're not a linux guru, you probably have no business/reason to upgrade to breezy right now
[03:28] <preglow> i'm a pretty experience linux user, i'm just not used to apt yet
[03:28] <dazzed> preglow: its not the unstable part as much as it its hoary as of right nwo
[03:28] <ShaneAu> That way I would be using it as a swtich, basically all i want to do
[03:28] <holycow> ShaneAu, then you would be on the same subnet as the rest of  your lan, therefore yes, but you would haveto be in the same address space as the lan of course
[03:28] <ShaneAu> yeah, that's what I'd like
[03:28] <wdh> preglow, what do you expect from breezy that is not in hoary?
[03:28] <preglow> wdh: gcc4
[03:28] <ShaneAu> Just the router to act as a swtich, so I can use it's porst to connect others, and it's wireless
[03:28] <wdh> preglow, it is already in there?
[03:28] <ShaneAu> ports*
[03:28] <preglow> wdh: they say so
[03:28] <holycow> ShaneAu, all you haveto do then is set the default gateway for each of the pcs on the network to the ip of your linux box, that should work
[03:29] <dazzed> preglow: why dont u just get a source of gcc4 and compile urself
[03:29] <ShaneAu> And the DHCP server would do it's job?
[03:29] <preglow> dazzed: compile fails
[03:29] <ShaneAu> for the entire network
[03:29] <dazzed> so u expect it to work on breezy?
[03:29] <preglow> well, it's pre-compiled...
[03:29] <ShaneAu> (the dhcp server on the linux box, not just assign the router an IP_
[03:29] <holycow> ShaneAu, only if you turn off the dhcp server on the netgear box
[03:29] <ShaneAu> Cool then.
[03:29] <bretzel>  -- (gcc4) : I read that it is buggy ... dunoo exactly where, but >4.0 has fixed bugs...
[03:29] <ShaneAu> I'll try :)
[03:29] <hybrid_> dazzed: lol compile gcc? with gcc? lol
[03:29] <dazzed> well its precompiled but someone had to compile it to make it a .deb
[03:29] <SlackShrike> hi
[03:29] <wdh> holycow, ... and should be screaming by all accounts :)...  << what do you mean with that?
[03:29] <dazzed> hybrid_: ...
[03:29] <ShaneAu> Thanks :)
[03:30] <hybrid_> dazzed: it sounds funny
[03:30] <dazzed> true true
[03:30] <dazzed> i know
[03:30] <holycow> wdh, very fast, kde is coded in c++ from what i remember, and gcc4 is supposed to by default deliver c++ some speedups
[03:30] <dazzed> preglow: gcc4 is not worth the constant hassle of hoary......or should i say breezy
[03:30] <preglow> dazzed: gcc4 is in breezy, i've had several people tell me this, so that's not a problem
[03:31] <bretzel> okay: Please, I asked a question about kde's tray icons ( such as klipper ) don;t show in gnome-panel ... any hints whay ? ( it was ok before )
[03:31] <dazzed> well go ahead
[03:31] <dazzed> i maen
[03:31] <preglow> i can't, heh
[03:31] <dazzed> just change ur sources
[03:31] <wdh> holycow, would be nice.. but then again.. i used kde for a while.. and for some reason i got used to gnome after starting to use ubuntu.. and i dont like kde no more :P
[03:31] <dazzed> ...and if u didnt know that i really dont suggest u gettin on breezy
[03:31] <preglow> i've done all that, but the dist-upgrade fails on what looks to be a package collision of sorts
[03:31] <holycow> wdh, same here
[03:31] <bretzel> wdth: This is my case also, but I still need KDE apps such as Klipper, kdevelop...
[03:32] <dazzed> preglow: like i said thats cuz its just about the same as hoary right now ^-
[03:32] <holycow> bretzel, me too, i used to use k3b, until someone here told me about gnomebaker :)
[03:32] <dazzed> and i wouldnt know wcuz im not even going to try installing til a month before final release
[03:32] <dcraven> gcc 4.0 is indeed in breezy, but breezy is a little brutal at the moment with regards to some libs... For example, it will remove evolution for you due to dependancy issues.
[03:32] <Raskall> so there.. I've got my box up and running again and I am not so impressed with ndiswrapper any more, even though I use it now. ndiswrapper with intersil prism2.5 winxp-drivers crashed and burned my system. I am up again now after a complete reinstall. Had to get another wlan-card that I knew worked with ndiswrapper instead.
[03:32] <wdh> holycow, gnomebaker?? any better than graveman?
[03:33] <preglow> don't use evolution, so all's fine
[03:33] <dazzed> u listening ^
[03:33] <bretzel> holycow: I am happy with nautilus's embedded cd-dvd burn... but yet k3d or gnome-baker for refined iso file sys
[03:33] <holycow> wdh, never used graveman so not sure
[03:33] <dcraven> preglow: all set then. heh
[03:33] <holycow> bretzel, me too actually :)
[03:33] <dazzed> preglow: you can be stubborn all you want but you should take an oppinion of the 20 linux users telling u not to upgrade
[03:33] <preglow> dcraven: yes, if base-files upgrade had not vomited it would all be peachy
[03:33] <preglow> i'll just wait a couple of days
[03:33] <hybrid> dcraven: try thunderbird in breezy
[03:33] <ShaneAu> Woo hoo, it works perfectly now... :D
[03:33] <bretzel> -- again please, any hints how klipeer don't show its icon in gnome-panel ? it was visible before I re-installed hoary
[03:33] <dcraven> preglow: good plan
[03:34] <ShaneAu> it was that simple, just moving it into the lan port
[03:34] <wdh> dazzed, what are you bugging him about?? he knows what the consequences are.. and ubuntu _needs_ users in development release for bugreports :)
[03:34] <dcraven> hybrid: it's all good.
[03:34] <preglow> dazzed: i'm not stubborn, i can help myself if something goes bad, i just don't know how to fix apt dependency crashes
[03:34] <dazzed> ok
[03:34] <dazzed> im just warning
[03:34] <hybrid> dcraven: yea
[03:34] <ShaneAu> and this linux's dhcp server is assigning IP's now
[03:34] <holycow> ShaneAu, oh forgot to say one thing
[03:34] <dazzed> i just hate to see people get in over their head and then they complain in here
[03:34] <dazzed> ...
[03:34] <holycow> when  you are on the wan port ....
[03:34] <holycow> you cannot assign your card an internal ip
[03:34] <elvirolo> join #ubuntu-devel
[03:34] <dcraven> There isn't even any point in filing bugs for breezy at this point, just fixing them.
[03:35] <holycow> its not routable via the wan port ... the netgear routing is hard wired for that
[03:35] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:35] <holycow> it actually doesn't make sense from a networking perspective
[03:35] <hybrid> is it true ubuntu edited firefox?
[03:35] <ShaneAu> I'm not using the wan port
[03:35] <holycow> hybrid, what do you mean edited?
[03:36] <dazzed> theres just no point for a common user to upgrade to bleeding bloody cut throat still alive version of linux for a new version of gcc ...
[03:36] <wdh> hybrid, customised maybe :)
[03:36] <dcraven> hybrid: newer security patches are included in the Ubuntu version of firefox, yes.
[03:36] <dcraven> hybrid: as far as I know anyways.
[03:36] <hybrid> dcraven: ok ty
[03:36] <wdh> dazzed, who is the one complaining now?
[03:36] <dazzed> ME!
[03:36] <wdh> dazzed, :P
[03:36] <hybrid> wdh: define customized plz
[03:37] <dazzed> im very particular
[03:37] <wdh> hybrid, well.. define what you mean by edited :)
[03:37] <comforteagle_> Using synaptic to install mplayer... it says it installed it, but /usr/bin/gmplayer reports us null??
[03:37] <hybrid> wdh: did they trim features or added? i havent noticed any trimmings
[03:37] <Nermal> lo lo
[03:37] <wdh> hybrid, i personally do no care whether it is edited.. i use it now.. and i like it.. so why bother about the original?
[03:38] <Nermal> any mysql 5.x beta debs available for ubuntu ?
[03:38] <hybrid> i was j/w
[03:38] <holycow> hybrid, there is no trimming going on, just patching
[03:38] <hybrid> ok
[03:38] <hybrid> ty
[03:38] <ShaneAu> :( Now I want to get the linux box to share files, BUT its giving me "Sharing Services are not installed" when I got to System > Administration > Folder Sharing
[03:38] <dcraven> You guys need to smoke more weed.
[03:38] <dazzed> i do
[03:38] <dazzed> im smoking righ tnow
[03:38] <holycow> ShaneAu, go to ubuntu website and find out how to enable it
[03:38] <ShaneAu> But, I did check and samba and nfs seem to be installed
[03:38] <dcraven> *more*
[03:38] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:38] <holycow> you haveto install a bunch of things
[03:38] <ShaneAu> Oh crap, really
[03:38] <dazzed> lol
[03:38] <ShaneAu> :P
[03:39] <ShaneAu> ok
[03:40] <wdh> dazzed, lets 'upgrade' to breezy :)
[03:40] <wdh> just for fun :)
[03:40] <dazzed> wdh: im on it
[03:40] <dazzed> right now
[03:40] <dazzed> wdh: the sad thing is...id be completely opposing side....if my conn was better than 56k
[03:40] <hybrid> dazzed: why did you upgrade?
[03:40] <ikaro> mojn
[03:40] <dazzed> :)
[03:40] <dazzed> hybrid: im upset that i upgraded to hoary actually
[03:41] <SaMRoX`> hi, i have a problem: I must use 60hz becouse of my monitor but gnome doesnt mantein that setting every time I restart.. how can i solve it?
[03:41] <dazzed> but i have a feeling breezy will be better
[03:41] <dazzed> plus i did to keep up
[03:41] <dazzed> but i think warty was a lil better
[03:41] <dazzed> in my oppinion*
[03:41] <hybrid> dazzed: oh i like bleeding edge
[03:41] <wdh> SaMRoX`, buy a new monitor :P
[03:41] <hybrid> i cant wait for them to do the sid style repos
[03:41] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: you can set your refresh rates in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:41] <SaMRoX`> wdh, thats not an option, please help me set 60hz as default!
[03:41] <wdh> hybrid, sid style repos?
[03:41] <SaMRoX`> thx dcraven
[03:42] <dazzed> hybrid: dont get me wrong if i had a conn that would do more than 5k/s then id be a bleeding edge man...but right now i have to make do with whats given to me :(
[03:42] <wdh> SaMRoX`, maybe 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' is a help for you
[03:42] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: no sweat, look for HorizSync and VertRefresh in the "Monitor" section in that file. It's pretty straight forward.
[03:42] <hybrid> wdh: yes it is rumored ubunut will have repos for "grumpy" that would be like sid is for debian
[03:42] <hybrid> dazzed: o i c
[03:42] <dazzed> i still wouldnt update to breezy right now though
[03:42] <dazzed> just silly
[03:43] <wdh> hybrid, grumpy is after breezy?
[03:43] <dazzed> im no dev ...so...i mean id be contributing nothin
[03:43] <wdh> hybrid, in the whole city?
[03:43] <dcraven> dazzed: I'm in breezy, and yes, it was a silly move.
[03:43] <dazzed> lol
[03:43] <hybrid> wdh: no grumpy is going to be like still in dev always
[03:43] <holycow> you guys gotta try stream tuner ... i love just clicking on a random internet radio station and listening
[03:43] <dazzed> i mean if i REALLY new what i was doing enough to where it didnt really matter what shelled it out all i needed was the kernel and a console...id prolly upgrade...
[03:44] <hybrid> wdh: this is all forum speculation
[03:44] <holycow> you will need xmms or the like to play the streams of course, and w32codec i think? can't remember
[03:44] <dazzed> hybrid: san fran has free wifi...citywide?
[03:44] <wdh> dcraven, just keep upgrading untill you like it.. and then stop with upggrading :)
[03:44] <hybrid> dazzed: they do or are about to...
[03:44] <hybrid> dazzed: Google is helping with it i believe
[03:45] <dazzed> hybrid: thats awesome...if i wasnt homophobic id move there
[03:45] <hybrid> lol
[03:45] <dcraven> wdh: Oh I like it fine now. I just wouldn't yet recommend it for others just yet :)
[03:45] <kev_> stupid question: i registered for the ubuntu wiki and have contributed quite a few pages. during my reigstration, however, i managed to spell my name wrong. any way of fixing that?
[03:45] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, another problem, I don't have xorg.conf :S
[03:45] <wdh> hybrid, aah.. so thats why i read about grumpy groundhog for ages to be the succesor to hoary
[03:45] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: are you running Warty?
[03:45] <dazzed> i gotta pack up the computers here in a couple hours :(
[03:45] <kingsley> What's a good way to find which directory is hogging disc space? df and du report that 16 more GBs are stored on / than filelight.
[03:46] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, Im a newbie at linux, dont know whats Warty, I just installed Ubuntu and nothing else
[03:46] <dazzed> i hate breaking down the co9mputers
[03:46] <dazzed> its such a pain
[03:46] <hybrid> dazzed: well maybe it will lead to others doing it . here in texas some reststops have wifi for free and they are working on giving all of them wifi
[03:46] <holycow> SaMRoX`, well welcome to linux firstly :)
[03:46] <SaMRoX`> thanks :)
[03:46] <holycow> SaMRoX`, second make sure your havin fun
[03:46] <dazzed> hybrid: the only thing that i have been to that has wifi is a couple bars,starbucks, and NEWEEST OF ALL the local wendys
[03:46] <SaMRoX`> yes im sure of that :D
[03:47] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: do you have a /etc/X11/XF86Config file?
[03:47] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: yeah, welcome aboard :)
[03:47] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, yes
[03:47] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: its going to be a hassle first couple of weeks but ull get through it ,.... reading is the best medicine
[03:47] <holycow> SaMRoX`, oh, thats bad
[03:47] <holycow> haha
[03:47] <dazzed> holycow: dont make him worried now
[03:47] <holycow> SaMRoX`, how in the world did you endup with xfree instead of xorg?
[03:47] <hybrid> dazzed: yea wendys starbux some hotels/motels reststop and truck stops
[03:47] <dazzed> :)
[03:47] <hybrid> loves in arkansas has wifi
[03:47] <hybrid> idk whick 1
[03:48] <holycow> dazzed, okay okzy, sorry, it's not bad at all SaMRoX` :) i'm just surprised
[03:48] <SaMRoX`> I dont know :D
[03:48] <dazzed> lol thats tight
[03:48] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: sounds like you are running Warty then, that is the old release. If you have a broadband connection, I'd advise upgrading to Hoary (released a couple of weeks ago, and stable).
[03:48] <SaMRoX`> I dont remember of selecting it in the instalation
[03:48] <holycow> SaMRoX`, i'm with dcraven go to ubuntu site and download hoary iso, and install that
[03:48] <hybrid> dazzed: yea i do alot of traveling from east texas to memphis so i get to do alot of warspeeding
[03:48] <SaMRoX`> I just installed the cd Ubuntu sent me to Argentina, it took 3 months xD
[03:48] <holycow> SaMRoX`, just to make sure you have the cleanest start possible, then we can go from there
[03:49] <queuetue> Is there some tool that autmatically posts screenshots to a website?  I have a designer who's annoying me by making me repeatedly upload snapshots.  I'd just like to automate the process...
[03:49] <dazzed> hehhh
[03:49] <holycow> SaMRoX`, haha, thats the old version :)
[03:49] <holycow> rofl
[03:49] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: oh my.
[03:49] <holycow> are you on high speed by any chance?
[03:49] <dazzed> queuetue: theres a few things that are semi sorta like that
[03:49] <SaMRoX`> holycow, fortunatelly, yes
[03:49] <queuetue> dazzed, Got a name for me?
[03:49] <dazzed> queuetue: but if they are being relayed to you by the shooter and ur doing the uploading...i dont think so
[03:49] <holycow> SaMRoX`, yeah just download via bittorrent you will get amazing fast speed
[03:49] <hybrid> SaMRoX: its okay upgraded in ubuntu is simple
[03:50] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: okay, well for your problem it makes no difference. The instruction I gave before still holds, only the file is called XF86Config. The syntax/content is identical to the xorg.conf file I mentioned.
[03:50] <SaMRoX`> ok.. tell me again becouse im lost, what should i download?
[03:50] <queuetue> dazzed, no I am the shooter.
[03:50] <dazzed> ohh ok
[03:50] <dazzed> well
[03:50] <dazzed> theres ftp drops
[03:50] <SaMRoX`> ok dcraven, so i dont download anything for now?
[03:50] <dazzed> (it keeps the ftp conn open and u can drop files into it and just like a copy paste)
[03:50] <dcraven> holycow: why not just upgrade in place?
[03:50] <holycow> hybrid, should we get him to download iso or just upgrade?
[03:50] <dazzed> i dont specifically know names though sorry
[03:50] <holycow> okay, help him upgrade :)
[03:51] <SlackShrike> the Ubunutu-live do not find the cd! they alguem can help me?
[03:51] <shinu> hey i got some problems with madplay... it doesnt want to play mp3 files
[03:51] <holycow> hybrid, are you gonna run him through upgrade process?
[03:51] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: your call. You could upgrade to Hoary (recommended), or stay with the older version. Your current problem (60Hz Monitor) can be fixed either way, but other things will probably work better with the newer version.
[03:52] <SaMRoX`> shinu, i know little and nothing, but i know you must download something to play mp3 :D
[03:52] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: i suggest the hoary for a first time linuxer
[03:52] <dcraven> holycow: If he wants I will.. Just need to edit sources.list I imagine.
[03:52] <shinu> shinu: but madplay i think supports mp3 by default
[03:52] <holycow> lol *nod* i gotta go i don't have time to answer too many q's
[03:52] <shinu> damn...
[03:52] <holycow> :)
[03:52] <hybrid> holycow: yea i will
[03:52] <dazzed> dcraven: u can even do it in synaptic make things easier
[03:52] <shinu> SaMRoX`: but madplay i think supports mp3 by default
[03:52] <SaMRoX`> ok thx
[03:52] <dcraven> I have a feeling poor SaMRoX` might be getting overwhelmed in here.
[03:52] <dcraven> dazzed: I dunno how to do that.
[03:52] <JaGWiRE```> -09:52:23-  Quit (stub<EMAIL_ADDRESS>("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/")
[03:52] <JaGWiRE```> People actually use gaim for irc?
[03:52] <shinu> SaMRoX`:  All three audio layers  (Layer I,  Layer II,
[03:52] <shinu>        and Layer III a.k.a. MP3) are fully implemented.
[03:52] <JaGWiRE```> I neevr knew that..
[03:52] <shinu> thats what i understand by that
[03:53] <dazzed> dcraven: just edit repos through synaptic...its more gui and user friendly but the text edit will teach him more
[03:53] <SaMRoX`> what about that "xorg" thing? its in hoary?
[03:53] <hybrid> yes
[03:53] <dcraven> We really should stop giving new users conflicting answers to thier questions.. lol
[03:53] <shock> actually I am looking for a good irc client (like xchat - but up-to-date) for OSX as we speak
[03:53] <SaMRoX`> ok thx to all, ill give it a try
[03:53] <shock> right now its xchat but only on this ressource hogging X environment
[03:53] <hybrid> SaMRoX: come back when you are ready to upgrade
[03:53] <SaMRoX`> ok
[03:53] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: ill do a quick explination X is the controller of everything graphical on linux if it wasnt for X itd be a black and white console screen....X.org is the newest x server (best in my oppinion) xfree is slightly older
[03:54] <dcraven> I just got serious deja vu.
[03:54] <SaMRoX`> in a couble of minutes ill be going to the university, i think i will try it tomorrow
[03:54] <hybrid> lol
[03:54] <SaMRoX`> but ill be back :P
[03:54] <dcraven> dazzed: what's "console"?
[03:54] <dcraven> ;P
[03:54] <hybrid> :)
[03:54] <dazzed> hehe
[03:54] <Choubaka> :P
[03:54] <Choubaka> X isn't the only way to see graphics on linux though :)
[03:54] <dazzed> Choubaka: whatelse?
[03:54] <dcraven> Choubaka: shh..
[03:55] <SaMRoX`> thx dazzed, understood
[03:55] <Choubaka> I've used mplayer on console.
[03:55] <hybrid> lol
[03:55] <dazzed> im intrigued
[03:55] <hybrid> Chuobaka: yea for sound :P
[03:55] <Choubaka> hybrid: no. for video :p
[03:55] <dcraven> framebuffer
[03:55] <dazzed> heh doesnt count
[03:55] <Choubaka> dazzed: well, there's directfb, SVGAconsole etc.
[03:55] <dazzed> Choubaka: ahh yes true true
[03:56] <dcraven> I make ASCII graphics in console. ncurses is gui.
[03:56] <hybrid> i have seen those ascii movie players always wanted to try it
[03:56] <Choubaka> X is the only way to get a 3d-accelerated environment though.
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> hey, one more and I promise I dont bother u anymore...for now :P
[03:56] <Choubaka> dcraven: Not really :P
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> in section monitor i have:
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> 	HorizSync	30-96
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> 	VertRefresh	50-160
[03:56] <dcraven> sure it is
[03:56] <Choubaka> it's a CUI
[03:56] <SaMRoX`> I whould change 30-96 to 60?
[03:56] <dcraven> haha
[03:56] <Choubaka> curses user interface.
[03:57] <dazzed> if it was up to me....id want 1 large transparent aterm....that i can seperate to 4 sections and do everything from there :)
[03:57] <SaMRoX`> and also the other.
[03:57] <Choubaka> dazzed: get one aterm, and use screen? :P
[03:57] <dazzed> lol....yeah
[03:57] <dazzed> but
[03:58] <dazzed> i cant do EVERYTHIGN from term....other wised id end up just using console
[03:58] <Chameleon22> can anyone suggest to me a very simple wiki i could use to make notes/document development process of an arbitarry project?
[03:58] <dazzed> i thikn terms are the coolest aspect of linux
[03:58] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: I imagine it's the VertRefresh one you want to set to 60.
[03:58] <dazzed> its like the window into teh core
[03:59] <shinu> damn... died again...
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, you are right
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> thx god I didnt touch it yet :P
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> so, I put 	VertRefresh	60 ?
[03:59] <dazzed> YOU JUST GOT BITCHED!
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> or something like 	VertRefresh	50-60
[03:59] <SaMRoX`> ?
[03:59] <dazzed> if you know all u want is 60
[04:00] <dazzed> leave 60
[04:00] <holycow> SaMRoX`, you need to google the proper vert and h refresh rates for your monitor model
[04:00] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: I suppose. I doubt it *requires* a range, but if it does, and you want to peg it at 60, then do 60-60 or something.
[04:00] <SaMRoX`> ok thx
[04:00] <Choubaka> why not configure it using dpkg-reconfigure?
[04:00] <dazzed> SaMRoX`: best way to do it is find ur range from google like holycow mentioned
[04:00] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: I think a single value would be fine though.
[04:00] <SaMRoX`> holycow, that wouldnt help, my monitor should support up to 85 hz...but it is brroken :D
[04:00] <holycow> can you still hose a moni these days? i guess if its out of range most monis will just say out of range right?
[04:00] <Myrtti> dcraven: I don't think it allows only single value
[04:00] <SaMRoX`> i whoul buy a new one
[04:01] <SaMRoX`> should
[04:01] <dcraven> Myrtti: okay, did you get the SaMRoX`?
[04:01] <Choubaka> holycow: yeah.
[04:01] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: Myrtti says it may need a range, so 60-61 or something will be fine.
[04:01] <dazzed> hour and a half til the CS201 final...(msoffice and what a computer is made outta class) final...then packing up the computers and moving home :(
[04:02] <SaMRoX`> ok dcraven thx
[04:02] <holycow> btw, if anyone is wondering where gnome stores your 'selected resolution' its in an xml file in either .gnome or .gnome2 in your home dir :)
[04:02] <dazzed> holycow: lies!
[04:02] <dcraven> dazzed: msoffice in a 2nd year course? lol
[04:02] <dazzed> dcraven: dont ask...
[04:02] <dcraven> haha
[04:02] <dazzed> its mind boggling
[04:02] <SaMRoX`> what shoul I touch to edit whith gedit? It is shust doenst letting me to edit the value xD
[04:02] <dazzed> i have showed up twice...to each test...i currently have a98
[04:03] <dcraven> dazzed: what was your intro language, VB?
[04:03] <holycow> dazzed, good luck
[04:03] <dazzed> ima need it
[04:03] <dazzed> vb
[04:03] <dazzed> yes
[04:03] <SaMRoX`> (sory about my horrorous (?) english)
[04:03] <dcraven> holy shame
[04:03] <dazzed> then c++
[04:03] <dazzed> it is
[04:03] <dazzed> thats university for u these days
[04:03] <dazzed> they all about teaching what exists...not what could exist
[04:03] <visor> do you guys can see embeded video in realmedia format with realplayer 10?
[04:04] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: you need to edit as a priveliged user.. "sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config", then enter your password when it asks.
[04:04] <dazzed> except the book that was basically written by microsoft...gives *alot* of praise to linux...and supports it highly
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> ok, how do I edit in gedit?
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> ahh ok dcraven
[04:04] <SaMRoX`> thx
[04:04] <dcraven> dazzed: written by MS or published by MS?
[04:04] <dcraven> dazzed: what university is this? US?
[04:04] <dazzed> its niether...its just a book all about ms
[04:05] <dazzed> US...Alabama
[04:05] <hybrid> SaMRoX sudo gedit /foo/foo
[04:05] <dcraven> My school doesn't teach any MS specific stuff. I think I got very lucky judging by what I hear... Unless I want a job of course.
[04:05] <holycow> dazzed they all about teaching what exists...not what could exist  <-- thats a very wise statement
[04:05] <dazzed> theres a linux chapter...and if MS had anything to do with the book...they give credit where credit is due
[04:06] <shinu> ha! my friend doesnt have internet and is reinstalling/upgrading his windows xD
[04:06] <dazzed> holycow: why thankyou
[04:06] <Choubaka> shinu: What's "ha"? with that?
[04:06] <Choubaka> -?
[04:06] <mark__> have a question. How can I import many VCard in one operation into evolution??
[04:06] <hybrid> shinu: upgradin winblows sux
[04:06] <shinu> does madplay install mp3 support by default or do i have to add something?
[04:07] <dazzed> hybrid: it gets easy after the 300th time u have to do it:)
[04:07] <dcraven> shinu: that's probably the safest bet.. Windows with no Internet.
[04:07] <hybrid> dazzed: lol
[04:07] <Choubaka> dcraven: yeah.
[04:07] <sproingie> gah.  why are there so many *required* packages for [k] ubuntu-desktop?
[04:07] <catfox> does anybody know what that theme is in this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29007
[04:07] <hybrid> well when ME completely leaves your harddrive for no reason installin sux
[04:07] <ShaneAu> .
[04:07] <dcraven> sproingie: KDE is quite large, that's why.
[04:07] <catfox> i know it's a clearlooks, but don't know the colour scheme
[04:07] <Choubaka> Though a computer without a network is basically useless nowadays
[04:07] <SaMRoX`> dcraven, do you know how could i login as root in the login screen? the installation didnt ask me for a password for root
[04:08] <sproingie> dcraven: kubuntu or ubuntu, both are the same way.  like ppp, it's required, or it breaks like five core packages.  why?
[04:08] <shinu> does madplay install mp3 support by default or do i have to add something?
[04:08] <hybrid> SaMRoX: there is no root
[04:08] <sproingie> dcraven: should just be recommended.
[04:08] <shinu> Choubaka: its just funny :P
[04:08] <dcraven> SaMRoX`: you can't. root is disabled in Ubuntu. When you use "sudo", you type in your user password.
[04:08] <hybrid> SaMRoX: use sudo then command and use your pw
[04:08] <SaMRoX`> yes, I just noticed that
[04:08] <Choubaka> SaMRoX`: Don't login to X as root even if you could. EVER.
[04:08] <SaMRoX`> thx
[04:09] <pixil9> why?
[04:09] <SaMRoX`> why Choubaka?
[04:09] <shinu> hybrid: i double boot with win2k just in case i cant do something on linux
[04:09] <pixil9> I login as root to X all the time
[04:09] <hybrid> Chouka: why?
[04:09] <Choubaka> SaMRoX`: it's unsafe.
[04:09] <hybrid> shinu: what would that be?
[04:09] <Fab_> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:09] <Fab_> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[04:09] <Fab_> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[04:09] <Fab_> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[04:09] <dcraven> sproingie: is it necessary that [k] ubuntu-desktop be installed during the install process?  :D
[04:10] <pixil9> I prefer not typing sudo
[04:10] <scizzo> Fab_: because they expect you to read the requirements?
[04:10] <SaMRoX`> Ok, im going to the university, thx to all for the help, im sure tomorro (or this night, who knows :P) ill be back with a loooot of more doubts :P:P bye!!
[04:10] <pixil9> why not just login.
[04:10] <Choubaka> pixil9: lazy ass.
[04:10] <visor> so, anybody get realplayer embedded in mozilla and not in its own window?
[04:10] <pixil9> lol ya
[04:10] <shinu> hybrid: please... not something expensive i cant afford :P
[04:11] <Choubaka> pixil9: because it's unsafe.
[04:11] <scizzo> Fab_: did you read the README and INSTALL?
[04:11] <wdh> pixil9, sudo -s basically logs you in..
[04:11] <Fab_> scizzo: okay, thats possible ;>
[04:11] <hybrid> shinu: i have airport but it seems to only work on *my* network
[04:11] <Twiggy> Hey I'm looking through synaptic for the assistive technology support plugins in gnome, but I can't find them, can anybody point me in the right directino/
[04:11] <pixil9> or su -
[04:11] <wdh> much like su - does ;)
[04:11] <shinu> hybrid: huh... :D
[04:11] <dcraven> sproingie: well I can understand the meta-packages having huge dependancies, I just think it should be an option during the install to not install any of the meta-packages.. That would be a good way to go.
[04:11] <Choubaka> pixil9: Windows would not suffer from spyware and viruses half as much if it was usable as non-admin user.
[04:11] <hybrid> shinu: 500$ for an iBook g3
[04:11] <Fab_> scizzo: i figured you people in here would help me quicker then cat readme is executed ;)
[04:11] <hybrid> not bad
[04:11] <shinu> hybrid: haha :D
[04:11] <pixil9> I know.. but we don't have to worry about that yet do we
[04:12] <sproingie> dcraven: not installing ubuntu-base is not much of an option
[04:12] <catfox> hi all
[04:12] <catfox> does anyone know why a server, doing daily backups, would gradually run out of swap space? where's a good place to track this down?
[04:12] <pixil9> and i've still never had a virus in windows
[04:12] <hybrid> shinu: viva la ebay
[04:12] <shinu> hybrid: someday... maybe :)
[04:12] <pixil9> with no virus protection in 14 years
[04:12] <shinu> hehe
[04:12] <sproingie> dcraven: it's the same thing we crucify MS for, making us install unnecessary junk
[04:12] <wdh> Choubaka, you can.. but noone does it :)
[04:12] <topyli> sproingie: for example, the 'gnome' package depends on either evolution or balsa
[04:12] <Choubaka> wdh: yeah
[04:12] <wdh> pixil9, its still quite useless :)
[04:12] <Choubaka> because it's a fucking pain in the ass.
[04:12] <scizzo> Fab_: then don't ask why the application does not tell you what you should install
[04:12] <hybrid> pixil9: i doubt that you prolly had a boot virus or an undetecable one: my sis runs xp and it has many but doesnt affect it much
[04:13] <sproingie> pixil9: most viruses dont pop up on friday the 13th and say "u r 0wnzr3d" now.  how do you know you don't have one now?
[04:13] <topyli> dcraven: you can install the minimum install, then apt-get what you want like in debian
[04:13] <pixil9> because i look at my processes?
[04:13] <Fab_> scizzo: aight, if you stop taking things to seriously ;)
[04:13] <dcraven> sproingie: that's my point. The install should offer an "expert" mode where you have a choice of metapackage or no metapackage... But of course that's too 'confusing'.
[04:13] <scizzo> Fab_: you should always read the README and INSTALL file before compile
[04:13] <sproingie> pixil9: AHAHAHAAAAA
[04:13] <dazzed> god im bored
[04:13] <hybrid> pixil9: omg
[04:13] <ivoks> ola
[04:13] <dcraven> topyli: Okay, cool. I had forgotten :)
[04:13] <pixil9> It's called security task manager.
[04:13] <Choubaka> on linux, using the computer as a user is easy and natural.
[04:13] <pixil9> not ctrl-alt-escape.
[04:13] <Fab_> scizzo: i know, and i promise next time i will before bothering you :)
[04:13] <SlackShrike>  when i use the live-cd to boot this return this message: "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" who can help me?
[04:13] <Choubaka> and using it as super user is not required.
[04:13] <sproingie> pixil9: i dont think you're clueless so much as trolling
[04:14] <Choubaka> on windows, you just can't do the most basic things without being admin :P
[04:14] <ivoks> any ubuntu developer here? ubuntu 5.04 has really nasty bugs
[04:14] <pixil9> Have you ever used security task manger? no
[04:14] <pixil9> so stfu
[04:14] <hybrid> pixil9: do you know what vb6 is?
[04:14] <dazzed> Choubaka: to truly use linux...you need super user
[04:14] <Choubaka> dazzed: no you don't. :)
[04:14] <topyli> dcraven: if you use tasksel in debian, you end up with things like ubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <Choubaka> you only need sudo
[04:14] <dazzed> to use it to play music and burn cds...no
[04:14] <wdh> pixil9, why do you think they invented a virusscanner if all you need to do is watch at the processes??
[04:14] <Choubaka> dazzed: ?!
[04:14] <dazzed> well sudo is an impersination of super user
[04:14] <dazzed> ...
[04:14] <wdh> pixil9, theres more to it than that imho
[04:14] <dazzed> u tricked me
[04:14] <pixil9> Look at security manager.. then talk to me
[04:14] <dcraven> It's the users that login as root that will make Linux as suseptable to malware as Windows is now.  It makes the Internet a friggin' spam and junk yard.
[04:17] <sproingie> personally i dont like the idea of superusers
[04:17] <Choubaka> pixil9: bad troll.
[04:18] <Choubaka> or by a bug in an app you'd normally use as nonprivileged.
[04:18] <hybrid> Choubaka: that is miskleadin: if you are root and type cd /home/hybrid/desktop you are tellin me my system will blow away
[04:18] <pixil9> you're a fucking troll
[04:18] <pixil9> stop telling people they can't login as root
[04:18] <pixil9> Whoever asked the option is in gdm config
[04:18] <topyli> sproingie: yes! every user and every process is born equal and free
[04:18] <sproingie> on really secure systems, the account that can change the security settings of others can do pretty much NOTHING else
[04:18] <dcraven> pixil9: Are we allowed to recommend against it?
[04:18] <pixil9> I don't care lol
[04:18] <dcraven> thanks
[04:18] <dazzed> im too worried about my own mistakes to log in as root
[04:19] <Choubaka> pixil9: everyone makes mistakes.
[04:19] <Choubaka> pixil9: even the best.
[04:19] <dcraven> I'd hate to troll when I only like to offer help.
[04:19] <Nalioth> i like the "sudo only" option immediately available here
[04:19] <FlyingSquirrel32> This weekend I tried to set up NFS and DNS on my ubuntu system, it seems these are not on the CD.
[04:19] <Choubaka> Give me one good reason to use the computer as root anyway. :)
[04:20] <Choubaka> and saving 10 seconds with sudo is not one
[04:20] <wdh> pixil9, its not even about mistakes.. there can still be bugs in programs.. causing your system to be extra vulnerable to intruders/virusses
[04:20] <dcraven> Choubaka: let's not feed him.
[04:20] <sproingie> under the surface, windows has a way superior security model.  then they threw all this crap on top that requires a more or less flat permission space
[04:20] <wdh> Choubaka, 10 seconds?
[04:20] <Choubaka> dcraven: I always get carried away.
[04:20] <Choubaka> wdh: he said it. :)
[04:20] <dazzed> lol guys its coool let him log in as root all he wants...and when he crashes ...its his comp not ours
[04:20] <dcraven> Choubaka: we all do.
[04:20] <wdh> Choubaka, how much time does it take you to type 'sudo -s'?
[04:20] <Choubaka> 0.5 seconds? :P
[04:21] <sproingie> frankly i just want to be able to name a file PRN, CON, or NUL on windows without things blowing up
[04:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> What does it take to set up my own repository on my private net?
[04:21] <hybrid> wdh: 3 hrs
[04:21] <dazzed> .2 for me
[04:21] <dcraven> dazzed: yeah but it's the poor people in his addressbook who suffer.. hehe
[04:21] <membreya> woohoo I managed to fix something with breezy :D
[04:21] <dazzed> heh
[04:21] <topyli> FlyingSquirrel32: it's in the apt-howto
[04:21] <dazzed> congrats :)\
[04:21] <Nalioth> membreya, congratulations
[04:21] <FlyingSquirrel32> thanks.
[04:21] <dazzed> membreya: a thank you ahead of time for the thing you fixed on my future breezy
[04:21] <wdh> membreya, woohoo.. i managed to dodge the same problem by not using breezy :P
[04:22] <E0x> hello
[04:22] <dazzed> ello
[04:22] <hybrid> hi
[04:22] <dazzed> ell o ell
[04:22] <sproingie> e.g. where the hell is postgresql 8.x?
[04:22] <dazzed> sproingie: OH NO!
[04:22] <Choubaka> sproingie: depends on how you define stable. :)
[04:23] <dazzed> sproingie: im sorry :(
[04:23] <membreya> it was the eth0 not being able to be reliably mapped error :)
[04:23] <dcraven> sproingie: I find it stable too.. Just not real apt-friendly at times.
[04:23] <wdh> sproingie, breezy is pretty much 'debian unstable unstable', as holycow just pointed out :)
[04:23] <topyli> it will break folks, don't worry
[04:23] <dazzed> my laptop is prolly gettin breezy sometime near future
[04:23] <Choubaka> at least after gcc4 starts breaking things
[04:23] <dazzed> it can be risked to format
[04:23] <dcraven> topyli: it has a couple of times so far :)
[04:23] <sproingie> dcraven: eh, i havent had an apt meltdown for a while.  sometimes mass breakage like when kde migrated
[04:23] <topyli> heh
[04:24] <Choubaka> apt meltdown. hee. :)
[04:24] <sproingie> dcraven: i remember the big perl debacles of debian years ago.  nothing like that
[04:24] <dcraven> sproingie: I've never been a Debian boy, so I don't recall those years.
[04:25] <dcraven> Well.. I did use Debian for a week prior to Ubuntu acutally, so that was a lie.
[04:25] <dazzed> 2 days in a row casino is on
[04:25] <thenuke> how do I create passwordless account?
[04:25] <membreya> thenuke: you need to create a system account
[04:25] <sproingie> i find 'em to be pretty much the same.  ubuntu has better amd64 support, so i picked it instead of vanilla
[04:25] <dazzed> ubu is only debian distro for me
[04:25] <thenuke> membreya: ah ok, hmm, I wonder how I do that :)
[04:25] <dazzed> this whole apt-get stuff is new to me
[04:25] <membreya> sproingie: that's why I jumped from MS Windows to Linux :)
[04:26] <dcraven> You can have passwordless accounts?
[04:26] <sproingie> with vanilla debian, you have to pick out special repositories
[04:26] <Choubaka> Hmm
[04:26] <pixil9> thenuke: you can make gdm autologin a user
[04:26] <dazzed> membreya: i jumped from Windows to slackware...imagine that :)
[04:26] <Choubaka> Actually, I'm afraid of Linux distros becoming mainstream
[04:26] <sproingie> 'course picking a 64 bit distro is biting me when i want to learn haskell.  ghc support on x86-64 is pretty spotty
[04:26] <dcraven> Choubaka: *me too*
[04:26] <sproingie> Choubaka: they *are* mainstream, depending on which stream you swim in
[04:26] <dazzed> there arent enough of us to make linux "mainstream"
[04:26] <Choubaka> ignorant people might _really_ start using their machines as root.
[04:27] <catfox> does anyone know why a server, doing daily backups, would gradually run out of swap space?
[04:27] <dcraven> Linux is doomed when it becomes mainstream.
[04:27] <membreya> sproingie: so run a chroot for 32bit
[04:27] <thenuke> pixil9: I dont want that, I dont even have gdm
[04:27] <Choubaka> Ubuntu is doing a good thing though, disabling root login :)
[04:27] <sproingie> Choubaka: you work in IT, you almost certainly have a redhat box.  we standardized on RHEL, which really irritated me since we were going with SuSE before we got bought out
[04:27] <dazzed> dcraven: not so much...itll just make us make something cooler
[04:27] <dazzed> :)
[04:27] <membreya> Choubaka: easy enough to get around if need be :P
[04:27] <sproingie> and parent company uses RHEL
[04:27] <membreya> and I have needed to a few times, like when I nuked my passwd file :P
[04:27] <dcraven> dazzed: yeah.. I don't feel like starting over again though. It's been a long haul.
[04:28] <Choubaka> membreya: well, the ignorant user won't try.
[04:28] <pixil9> Why is linux doomed when it's mainstream
[04:28] <Nermal> hmm.. whats the nicest way to configure network interfaces without gnome installed ?
[04:28] <dazzed> dcraven: much truth...
[04:28] <Choubaka> He'll use sudo
[04:28] <Nermal> just edit /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:28] <Choubaka> and it's good.
[04:28] <dazzed> im glad someone is putting up the fight though
[04:28] <membreya> Nermal: that's right
[04:28] <Nermal> rightho
[04:28] <Choubaka> but if root login were enable, there's a chance the user will use that.
[04:28] <membreya> thenuke: man adduser
[04:28] <membreya> Choubaka: true :)
[04:28] <Choubaka> enabled*
[04:28] <njan> Choubaka, people will only start using root if a) they're home users who use distros who make it easy to run as root pr even pander to it (ahem, linspire), b) they have incompetant IT staff, or c) they *are* incompetant IT staff.
[04:29] <membreya> njan: can I take all the above? :P
[04:29] <Choubaka> njan: or they want stuff easy.
[04:29] <dazzed> lol njan
[04:29] <dcraven> pixil9: commercialism ruins everything.. Not to mention the malware.
[04:29] <njan> membreya, sure!  :P
[04:29] <membreya> oh ok sproingie :(
[04:29] <njan> membreya, linspire == lindows
[04:30] <dazzed> Choubaka: its not even a matter of ease...people who use root have a personal vandetta...something to prove...cuz its raelly not harder to type sudo in any form or fashion
[04:30] <membreya> njan: I rest my case :P
[04:30] <Choubaka> dazzed: yeah.
[04:30] <njan> membreya, uh.. yeah. Whatever your case was :p
[04:30] <E0x> anyone know a way for auto-save the iptable rules
[04:30] <dcraven> We might be getting carried away with the root thing.
[04:30] <E0x> i remember a scritp , but right i can find it
[04:30] <dazzed> lol
[04:30] <njan> Choubaka, no distribution should make it so hard to do anything that people are obliged to run as root
[04:30] <dazzed> just a lil
[04:30] <dazzed> i tell you im bored
[04:30] <Choubaka> njan: yeah
[04:30] <njan> Choubaka, if anyone is running as root to '[have]  stuff easy', that distribution has failed as a distribution for that individual.
[04:31] <Choubaka> njan: You just said that no distro should become windows.  :P
[04:33] <njan> Choubaka, http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis <= that's worth a read if you're interested in this with reference to windows.
[04:33] <megamind> which one u prefer me ... pixil9
[04:33] <Nalioth> njan membreya i prefer checkinstall over "make install", although it still requires root authority
[04:33] <Choubaka> I sincerely hope Windows'll get better.
[04:33] <pixil9> megamind: i run bind on all of my work servers.
[04:33] <shinu> membreya: uh... its a winxp share im trying to mount, is that question still valid?
[04:33] <membreya> yes
[04:33] <sproingie> administrator can pretty immediately screw things up by deleting, sure, but to *really* hose things up creatively, you need LOCALSYSTEM
[04:33] <sproingie> there's a utility out there that will open a shell with LOCALSYSTEM access
[04:33] <njan> Choubaka, it will. Longhorn is going to be a very strong product offering. imo, the security model is actually far more capable than the security model in the vanilla linux kernel (and by extension in ubuntu,debian, etc), but we'll see :)
[04:33] <membreya> shinu: sudo apt-get install smbfs
[04:34] <shinu> membreya: ok thanks
[04:34] <kalidor> i installed xorg-driver-fglrx for my radeon 9700, but now i see violet and green glitches in some images or icons, i tried doing fglrx_xgamma -gamma 1.0 but it misses library libfglrx_gamma.1
[04:34] <njan> heya, chase.
[04:34] <sproingie> njan: i'll believe it when i see it.  similar claims were made of windows 2003
[04:34] <membreya> njan: they should rename longhorn to longload with all its bloat
[04:34] <megamind> ok ... how can i activate my NTFS and FAT partitions on ubuntoo ? plz
[04:34] <Anlar> njan: well, some morons (core kernel devs) are seeing still the security as just one another thing that can be slapped on top of the thingy.
[04:34] <Choubaka> njan: MS has a reputation of screwing up lots of good stuff with lousy implementation.
[04:34] <shinu> membreya: i got it by default on last system so thought... :P
[04:34] <Choubaka> njan: and as long as they want to maintain legacy compatibility...
[04:35] <membreya> megamind: too long to explain on the channel, www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:35] <njan> sproingie, most of the claims are true, the problem is with implementation and development. If you actually take advantage of all that 2k3 offers, you have a very secure system, but most people, and most developers (including microsoft's), don't.
[04:35] <sproingie> i betcha that longhorn STILL has drive letters and magic filenames
[04:35] <sproingie> e.g. just TRY to create a file named CON, PRN, or NUL
[04:35] <njan> Anlar, yupm and most kernel devs don't really have any requirement or motivation to care about security.
[04:35] <pixil9> Yeah because that would be really smart to take out drive letters
[04:35] <pixil9> and confuse 5 billion windows users
[04:35] <pixil9> lol.
[04:35] <sproingie> pixil9: no one is listening to you anymore.  go away
[04:35] <sigpc> lol
[04:35] <sproingie> [07:35]  [Ignore]  Added pixil9!* to your ignore list.
[04:35] <GoneBoB> he has a point though
[04:36] <pixil9> lol good
[04:36] <sproingie> he might.  still a pissant
[04:36] <pixil9> I've had enough of your nerd talk anyway.
[04:36] <Anlar> njan: they rely on mostly obscurity (and not security) and their policy is that security must not have any toll on the speed etc.. so, the model is doomed
[04:36] <Fab_> pixil: ehm, if windows would have 5 billion users, billie boy would already govern the universe ;)
[04:36] <GoneBoB> agreed
[04:36] <dcraven> Drive lettering seems so weird.
[04:36] <pixil9> Fab_, Yes because i was being literal.
[04:36] <sproingie> volume labels arent universally bad, no, drive letters are just degenerate volume labels
[04:36] <pixil99> Hey retard learn how to ignore on irc
[04:36] <sproingie> i dont see them going away either.  the magic filenames irk the shit out of me
[04:36] <GoneBoB> sproingie: far from
[04:37] <Fab_> scizzo: it worked out :) evidence is pretty cool ^_^
[04:37] <GoneBoB> sproingie: drive letters change
[04:37] <njan> Anlar, :).. personally, I think the kernel team are good at what they do - maintaining the upstream core of any linux distribution. I'm staking my security on projects like rsbac which actually redesign the components of the kernel required to be redesigned in order to give the linux kernel similar capabilities to the windows kernel in the future.
[04:37] <GoneBoB> volume labels do not
[04:37] <Choubaka> actually, you can mount partitions on NT afaik
[04:37] <Choubaka> to directories.
[04:37] <GoneBoB> Choubaka: you can yes
[04:37] <aeho> what I can do: mplayer crashed and "killall mplayer" doesn't do anything
[04:37] <njan> Anlar, same reason that anyone who argues that the kernels from kernel.org change / break too quickly - anyone using them for anything in production is crazy; distributions repackage and test kernels, and that's the way it should be. It's an added layer of protection, capability, and assurance.
[04:37] <pixil9> actually it's called a hostmask *!*@host LOL
[04:37] <chombee> Hi guys - I have a messed up config that I don't understand, I tried fixing it but turns out it's still messed. My computer is sending cron and anacron messages to an external email address. So I think it is postfix related config that must be wrong, right? Does anyone know how I can reset/reinstall postfix and all its related config files, including hosts and alias files etc?
[04:37] <Anlar> njan: they do piss poor job. they are great coders but they won't let stuff like pax of rbac in, ever.
[04:38] <GoneBoB> Choubaka: /etc/aliases
[04:38] <sproingie> Anlar: pax has sort of a bad history with security.  rsbac is a technical disagreement, and frankly kind of lost out to SELinux
[04:39] <njan> Anlar, nope, and tbh, it might not be a bad thing. The vanilla linux kernel is used for all kinds of things which don't require rsbac and don't want it - for embedded applications it'd be a real pita to remove. So let the kernel.org people maintain the kernel, let rsbac add to it, and let the distributions use the rsbac repackaged version. That way you have all the strength of multiple versions of the kernel without having to maintain kernel-vanilla, kernel-harde
[04:39] <njan> ned, kernel-embedded, etc, and synchronising changes between half a dozen different trees.
[04:39] <njan> sproingie, I'd disagree with you on every point there; I don't think rsbac has lost out to selinux, and they don't quite choose to do the same thing - and I'd definitely disagree with your statement that "pax has.. a bad history with security"
[04:40] <wdh> aeho, still?
[04:40] <pixil9> That's because sproingie is a 16 year old kid who has never worked a day in his life.. but somehow is a guru on *nix with ubuntu and knows everything
[04:40] <membreya> chombee: checked your main.cf in your /etc/postfix dir?
[04:41] <membreya> I strongly suggest that you do a man postfix
[04:41] <randabis> lol
[04:41] <Choubaka> ARGGH
[04:41] <tsume> pixil9: please behave
[04:41] <Choubaka> There are no ops on this channel either :(
[04:41] <tsume> pixil9: keep the personal attacks to PRIVMSG. Thanks.
[04:41] <pixil9> Ya there are.. they just use the bots
[04:41] <wdh> megamind, gimme gimme gimme :)
[04:42] <wdh> megamind, or actually.. tellme tellme tellme :)
[04:42] <njan> sproingie, Selinux "is not intended as a complete security solution for Linux. Security-enhanced Linux is not an attempt to correct any flaws that may currently exist in Linux. Instead, it is simply an example of how mandatory access controls that can confine the actions of any process, including a superuser process, can be added into Linux"
[04:42] <aeho> wdh, yep
[04:42] <sproingie> njan: thought it was pax that was finding a new hole in the design every week or so.  so much duplication, could have been thinking of something different.   selinux is in most vendor kernels, rsbac isnt
[04:42] <njan> (from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/)
[04:42] <Nalioth> membreya, what did you fix?
[04:42] <membreya> Nalioth: that stupid eth0 cannot be mapped reliably error message
[04:42] <sigpc> stop cutting and pasting njan
[04:42] <sigpc> :P
[04:42] <chombee> yeah - I checked it. I didn't find anything in there. Yeah I've done man postfix. Basically I've looked through all the /etc/postix/ files and /etc/alias and /etchosts, and maybe some others, attempting to remove instances of the domain that is erroneously being sent to, and making sure root, postmaster etc are defined as the local user, trying to get it to send the cron and anacron messages locally, but still it
[04:42] <chombee> sends them out
[04:42] <njan> sigpc, be quiet, that's the first thing I've copied and pasted :p
[04:43] <Nalioth> membreya, did you change it to "you are all buggered up" or something?
[04:43] <wdh> aeho, you could try to get its PID by issueing 'ps -aux |grep mplayer'. And then kill that pid with 'kill -9 PID'
[04:43] <sproingie> njan: i certainly prefer rsbac's philosophy and thought linux's built-in approach was a gross hack when i first saw it.  unfortunately now that they do conflict, rsbac aint likely to make it in anymore
[04:43] <pixil9> chombee, What's the problem with postfix?
[04:43] <njan> sproingie, selinux is in most vendor kernels, rsbac isn't.. and you extrapolate from that that rsbac has lost? USB1 is in most PCs, USB2 isn't in as many.. does that mean that USB1 is more advanced than USB2 and that USB2 has lost?
[04:43] <membreya> Nalioth: commented out eth0 in /etc/iftab
[04:43] <Nalioth> membreya, thats a easy fix
[04:43] <membreya> Nalioth: but a fix!
[04:43] <membreya> :P
[04:44] <membreya> and since I've only been on linux for like 2 months :P
[04:44] <Nalioth> membreya, think i would a changed the error message to something like "your expensive whole house and garden implementation of cat5 is now useless"
[04:44] <chombee> pixil9 - Well, the problem is that cron and anacron messages keep getting sent from my machine to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>where domain.org is not the local domain and has nothing to do with my machine, so this root is getting spammed. Since postfix is the only MTA I think is installed...
[04:44] <aeho> wdh, it worked
[04:44] <aeho> thanks
[04:44] <sproingie> njan: if your criteria of "winning" is a better design, then sure, rsbac has won.  if it's deployments however ... and BTW, every new pc comes with usb2, which is backward compatible and made by the same people
[04:45] <pixil9> chombee, Is it doin this off default install?
[04:45] <wdh> aeho, yw
[04:45] <chase> hi njan sorry didnt see you up there
[04:45] <chase> how you doing?
[04:45] <membreya> cat5 Nalioth ? :| cat6 baby
[04:45] <cyberix> The xscreensaver of Ubuntu hoary crashes. :-(  I had to explain a "joe user" how to torn it off.
[04:45] <njan> sproingie, they don't conflict. rsbac is a whole framework which does a variety of things, selinux is an example implementation of one specific security architecture
[04:46] <Anlar> njan: as they both need the same hooks, they do conflict.
[04:46] <Nalioth> membreya, sorry i'm stuck with traditional 10/100 hardware, havent had the dough for the fancy gigabit stuff
[04:46] <njan> sproingie, and hardened linux is *VERY* new turf. There's definitely room for competition, and it's embryonic enough that you can't say one is more accomplished than the other
[04:46] <membreya> Nalioth: I want 10gb :D
[04:46] <pixil9> chombee, I believe you'd configure that with myhostname =
[04:46] <pixil9> in main.cf
[04:47] <njan> Anlar, in that you can't use them on the same machine, sure. I wasn't arguing that - sproingie was arguing that in general, rsbac has lost and since its goal conflicts with selinux  and (according to him) everyone uses selinux and no-one uses rsbac, rsbac is a futile effort.
[04:47] <njan> Which imo is totally untrue :)
[04:47] <pixil9> njan: sproingie knows all.
[04:47] <sproingie> njan: thank you for putting words in my mouth
[04:47] <njan> sproingie, you're welcome. :)
[04:47] <chombee> pixil9 - I've been running the sytem for months, from warty to hoary, and it just seemed to start doing this a few weeks ago for no reason. The one thing I can think of is that I installed SendMail - I gave it all default configs except for the question about the domain that will follow the @ in emails you send, which I set as domaon.org, the domain that is now getting spammed. My installing SendMail did not coinc
[04:47] <chombee> ide with the spam starting, it was months before, and when I tried removing SendMail it was not there. I removed a couple of pkgs that were sendmail related, didn't help
[04:48] <pixil9> sendmail is gone now?
[04:48] <chombee> pixil9 - yeah. I seached synaptic for sendmail, nothing installed.
[04:48] <pixil9> o i see it now
[04:48] <njan> not bad, chase, you?
[04:48] <pixil9> i'm reading the highlighted red in xchat :P
[04:49] <shinu> how do i upgrade wxGTK?
[04:49] <pixil9> so if you telnet localhost 25
[04:49] <pixil9> it's postfix correct? heh
[04:49] <shinu> apt-get upgrade wxgtk?
[04:49] <chase> njan, been worse had a docs appoint about ma head acks and thinking about moving Uni from aberttay to dundee
[04:49] <seeker_> how can I open/close ports?
[04:49] <chombee> pixil9 - yes
[04:50] <sproingie> chombee: checked the sendmail.m4 files to see if there's anything related to "unqualified addresses"?
[04:50] <chombee> postfix answers
[04:50] <pixil9> chombee: what is your myhostname = option in main.cf ?
[04:50] <MonkeyINAbaG> anyone else having frequent amsn crashes?
[04:50] <Anlar> njan: well, I've done a bit research on these things and they take different approaches.. they both might be good, I don't care about the philosphical moot crap talk. just use them well. but they are very far from complete and especially getting some heavy weigh tools to the official kernel tree is nearly impossible due the current policies. so go figure out.. :)
[04:50] <chombee> pixil9 - checking
[04:50] <chombee> sproingie - where are those files?
[04:50] <njan> Anlar, yup, they do take different approaches, and they are far from complete. As I said before, this is very new turf, but imo, rsbac is the best opportunity linux has to move to a better security model.
[04:50] <Anlar> njan: I'll setup selinux when I have time. I tried last weeked but managed to trash my system. JFS did not support xattr properly (a bug in the fs most likely) and.. ah well.
[04:51] <chombee> i guess i can find out
[04:51] <sproingie> chombee: should be in /etc/mail
[04:51] <pixil9> sproingie, thx again
[04:51] <pixil9> /etc/postfix.
[04:51] <njan> Anlar, :).. imo rsbac is strong not just because of all of the security models it enables, but the other things it allows you to do with the kernel as well, like on-access virus scanning.
[04:51] <seeker_> how can I open/close ports?
[04:51] <sproingie> chombee: sounds to me like you might still have postfix running tho ... make sure you've actually installed sendmail right
[04:51] <njan> Anlar, selinux does *one* thing, and is a bit inflexible. It's great if that one thing is all you want to do, but it's a niche market compared to the framework rsbac opens up.
[04:52] <chombee> sproingie - yes postfix is running. I actually want SendMail to be gone
[04:52] <Anlar> njan: yes. but rsbac will not get into the official tree. there is lots of internal politics etc going on there.. for instance exec-shield is getting (SLOWLY) into the official tree.. though the "other implementations" on the same "technology" are technically superior. go figure, but exec-shield's main dev (mingo) is working for Red Hat.. ;)
[04:52] <sproingie> chombee: ah, wise choice for your sanity ;)
[04:52] <Anlar> njan: I have to admit thought that exec-shield has got uplifts lately.
[04:52] <sproingie> chombee: unfortunately my postfix is rustier than my sendmail.  might try #postfix?
[04:53] <chombee> pixil9 - myhostname=localhost.localdomain
[04:53] <chombee> sproingie - might try it
[04:53] <njan> Anlar, oh, god no. Like I said before, I don't necessarily know that I'd want it to. Leave the kernel team to what they're good at - maintaining the upstream vanilla kernel. If people want a kernel for anything else (secure server, embedded device), let them repackage the upstream kernel for that and pass that along to distributers.
[04:54] <pixil9> chombee, I'm new to ubuntu i've been a freebsd user for years.. but what about exim for local mail?
[04:55] <pixil9> I remember seeing it somewhere.
[04:55] <Anlar> njan: security is a thing required in all the environments slowly. and some of those features are really small and have virtually no performance hit. if that stuff doesn't get into the official kernel tree, unfortunately most of the people ARE stupid and will never get the security features even in the situations they should. face it, 90+% of the "admins" are plain fucking stupid.
[04:55] <Anlar> njan: I'm getting fed up personally with kids ddossing me. :>
[04:55] <shinu> why doesnt apt-get upgrade wxgtk work?
[04:55] <tosti> i am new to UBUNTU and have a question: how is mouse handled? i havent found GPM :)
[04:55] <pixil9> chombee: Yeah you want to be looking at the exim configs
[04:55] <sigpc> one thing I don't like about ubuntuguide.org is that it gives examples of adding more repo's and they are unstable which isn't good for new users.
[04:55] <Anlar> njan: one day a year ago or so half of the Nasa ddossed my ISP.. wasn't "fun". then go talk about it being "voluntary" to have security (features).
[04:56] <pixil9> chombee: or remove it completely.
[04:56] <njan> Anlar, possibly - it's something distributions have to move on, though, not kernel.org - the kernel team cannot force the entire community to move to a securer OS model. That has to be done by distributions like redhat and adamantix who've started moving hardened computing into datacenters.
[04:56] <Anlar> njan: I get the point but I'm really getting fed up.
[04:56] <chombee> pixil9 - I think all the MTAs share some config files, so ny replacement MTA I install will do the same thing.  I'd be surprised if longhorn didn't have an impact on DDoS and spam.
[04:57] <pixil9> --purge all the config files
[04:57] <tsume> Anlar: or don't learn it to begin with :)
[04:57] <chombee> pixil9 - exim is not installed
[04:57] <tosti> feel like being ignored :P
[04:57] <pixil9> okay. hold on
[04:57] <Anlar> njan: starting to use the SELinux in targeted mode and enforcing on by default is a start. the toolchains etc will have the support and it's on.. the policy just isn't touching more than a few things at the beginning.
[04:57] <sigpc> plus that marillat guy is an idiot
[04:57] <ricardo_> hi. i'm new to ubuntu. my problem: my network can't see my ubuntu box . how to do ? (you can also give me a link to configure it)
[04:57] <chombee> pixil9 - I would remove postfix, but a bunch of stuff depends on it
[04:57] <sigpc> breaks packages
[04:57] <sigpc> for example mplayer
[04:57] <sigpc> he slaughtered that one
[04:57] <pixil9> chombee: bad thing about ubuntu for me is I have no fucking idea how it all works but I like not setting anything up on install :P
[04:57] <Fab_> ricardo_:if you mean like network shares for other computers, try samba
[04:58] <Anlar> Longhorn will be SWEET. beautiful, fast, packed with lots of nice tools, usable, quite secure, packed with lots of features we will see on Linux in 5+ years if ever, ..
[04:58] <Fab_> there are tuts in the forum and in the ubuntuguide
[04:58] <njan> Anlar, it's a start. It's a start which will falter, though. Use rsbac to do the same thing and you actually have a roadmap ahead of you for a flexible and comprehensive set of additions to linux; selinux would simply be a paradigm shift in security model, and once that shift has been made, it'll pretty much stop there, unless the goalposts are *really* changed.
[04:58] <Fab_> anlar: yes, and with lots of spying included ;)
[04:59] <Anlar> fab: actually, not. the base system is really different. really secure.
[04:59] <chombee> pixil9 - what if I note each pkg depending on postfix, complete remove postfix, then add them all one by one again, is that safe? Would it even reset the config files? I don't think it would remove the system config file(s) that SendMail might have messed up
[04:59] <herrie-aab> hello do somebody know how i can play mp3 files with linux ubuntu:S:S:???
[04:59] <DJSelbeck> install XMMS?
[04:59] <tosti> herrie-aab: XMMS, mpg123, mp3blaster
[04:59] <herrie-aab> i'll have it
[04:59] <chombee> herrie-aab - install xmms, or bmp, or gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:00] <njan> Anlar, unfortunately, I think that most linux users and distributions are going to be totally surprised when longhorn is good. The linux community is so used to being complacent and windows-bashing that they don't realise the changes which are coming. Even with all of the stops pulled out and rsbac incorporated into most of the major distributions, I think the linux community would have their work cut out - although it *does* all depend on how aggressive the chan
[05:00] <ricardo_> Fab, i've red the ubuntu guide, configured samba, but it doesn't work
[05:00] <njan> ges in fundamentals are.
[05:00] <Anlar> fab: the base system of longhorn will be a bit like using rsbac with really tough bad guy default policies. if you can get something escalating there you must be a really really moronic user and screw lots of things up.
[05:00] <herrie-aab> chombee..thnx
[05:01] <Anlar> njan: yes. Longhorn will be THE strike against F/OSS stuff. they are doign everything they can to deliver a punch that simply ends the competition. hell, I would.
[05:01] <njan> Anlar, indeed. But tell that to most F/OSS people and you just start a flamewar.
[05:01] <Anlar> njan: ok, knowing that the basics of our computing hasn't changed since the 60s, .. there is nothing really Big.. but it will be a consistent damn good package.
[05:01] <njan> Anlar, it's a *HELL* of an argument starter. People just have their heads buried in the proverbial sand.
[05:01] <seeker_> can someone please tell where I can find the list of opened/closed ports and how do I open or close a port?
[05:02] <chombee> anyone know how I would grep for a particular string in all files on my machine?
[05:02] <Anlar> njan: consistency is the key thing. everything will act and work the same and your tasks will be done without silly gaps.
[05:02] <snader> chombee: sudo grep -R "particular string" / would work
[05:02] <Anlar> njan: that's something oss "community" can't reach since they can't even decide which one is their arse and which one their head
[05:03] <njan> Anlar, one can only hope. It'll certainly be much more of an even playing field. This 'security' thing which linux has done better than windows for the last ~7 years just isn't going to be an advantage any more.
[05:03] <njan> Anlar, succinctly put ;)
[05:03] <Anlar> njan: I've tried to talk.. mostly at Bugzillas.. some listen, some do not. and I've got a tiny project too that I would like to push through this summer
[05:03] <snader> chombee: you can use "grep -Ri" for case insentive search
[05:04] <chombee> thanks snader
[05:04] <kokotchY|aw> hello
[05:04] <wasabi> How can I disable hotplug temporarily?
[05:04] <pixil9> chombee: what is your /etc/mailname
[05:04] <sproingie> apple hasnt managed to eviscerate linux with OSX, MS sure won't with longhorn
[05:04] <pixil9> wasabi: ps aux |grep hotplug
[05:04] <njan> Anlar, what's the project?
[05:04] <snader> wasabi: /etc/init.d/hotplug stop
[05:04] <wasabi> If I do that, my cursor disappears in X.
[05:05] <rumo> sorry for interrupting. but is there a gpg-key fr the backports.ubuntuforum.org repository. apt says it skips a .GPG file in this repository
[05:05] <pixil9> wasabi: is your mouse usb? :P
[05:05] <wasabi> Yup.
[05:05] <pixil9> lol.
[05:05] <wasabi> I don't want it unloading any modules.
[05:05] <chombee> pixil9 - domain.org, the domain being spammed! What is thie file for?
[05:05] <wasabi> I just want it to stop loading new ones.
[05:05] <hybrid> sproingie: if ms wanted to kill linux and were smart they would revive xenix
[05:05] <kokotchY> I would like install php on my apache server... apt-get install php, ok. But I did'nt have a connection
[05:05] <pixil9> chombee: change that to localhost.localdomain
[05:06] <chombee> pixil9 - I will do that for sure.
[05:06] <pixil9> man mailname
[05:06] <kokotchY> I have downloaded the files .deb for php
[05:06] <pixil9> I'm guessing sendmail did that to ya
[05:06] <tosti> i am new to UBUNTU and have a question: how is mouse handled? i havent found GPM anywhere :)
[05:07] <pixil9> wasabi: well ps aux|grep hotplug and kill it
[05:07] <kokotchY>  is that sufficient?
[05:07] <wdh> tosti, what do you mean exactly?
[05:07] <pixil9> wasabi: or killall -9 hotplug may work
[05:07] <chombee> pixil9 - I've learned my lesson about sendmail, believe me.  :P
[05:08] <tosti> wdh: and cursor doesnt move :( and there is no mouse on text console [Ctrl+Alt+F1]
[05:08] <kokotchY> apt-get install anoption soft
[05:08] <kokotchY> and get the list of package to install ?
[05:08] <sproingie> hybrid: omfg, xenix.  xenix was a joke even back then
[05:09] <zeebu> hi
[05:09] <chombee> pixil9 - looking at the man page, this certainly looks like the problem. I will have to restart postfix and wait until I see a cron or anacron message arrive locally, before I know it's safe. (do you know where they should get sent so I can check? Or I could watch the mail.log for it)
[05:09] <sproingie> hybrid: i dont think god himself could revive xenix's dessicated corpse.  anyway, all of xenix went to a little startup called SCO
[05:09] <tosti> wdh: Logitech PS/2 trackball connected to COM2 port. looks like not working at all. dont know why. in Mandrake/RedHat/Slack worked...
[05:09] <pixil9> Well it should be going to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:09] <pixil9> if you change that
[05:09] <zeebu> is there anyone around that can help with a screen resolution issue?
[05:09] <hybrid> sproinge: well a modern day xenix longunix
[05:09] <kkathman> I had 10 updates today, but one didnt install the kdelibs :(
[05:10] <pixil9> and if you config'd a user on install
[05:10] <hybrid> sproingie: so thats where it went
[05:10] <pixil9> I could really care less about mail on my ubuntu desktop.. i have no mta :P
[05:10] <sproingie> hybrid: they have SFU (nee interix) which is actually quite good
[05:10] <kkathman> anyone know what this one means:  E: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4-0x1.6b7820000005ap-1363.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[05:10] <sproingie> hybrid: and from what 've heard, they're really ramping up scripting in longhorn.  'course i've heard THAT before
[05:10] <chombee> pixil9 - there is no root user, but root=myuser is set in /etc/alias. How do I check roots mail though? Setup root@localhost in Evolution?
[05:10] <Nalioth> zeebu explain your problem
[05:10] <tosti> wdh: and i have tried nothing, becouse dont know where to start :)
[05:11] <sproingie> hybrid: there was this longhorn shell preview that was really nice ... word is it's been cancelled, longhorn will just have CMD.EXE like everything else
[05:11] <MarcN> kkathman: ha!  I *just* ran into that when I apt-get upgrade.
[05:11] <hybrid> sproinge: imho longhorn will be like ME hyped to death rushed to oblibation
[05:11] <pixil9> chombee: type mail in console
[05:11] <sproingie> hybrid: i so doubt MS's ability to deliver on their commitments now
[05:11] <kkathman> MarcN: yep me too
[05:11] <eszanthrick> tosti, do you have a USB keyboard?
[05:11] <zeebu> Nalioth: thanks... i'm just using a laptop which can handle 1280x1024, but for whatever reason, under the admin -> screen resolution menu, it is only letting me select 1024x768
[05:12] <pixil9> chombee: I use mutt to check my local mail.
[05:12] <tosti> eszanthrick: 'normal' keyboard and mouse on COM2
[05:12] <MarcN> kkathman: I'm removing knetworkconf and then try to upgrade.
[05:12] <shinu> is there any other web browser installed in ubuntu?
[05:12] <hybrid> sproingie: ppl say ms wanted tiger to be released first to cough steal cough get ideas
[05:12] <hybrid> shinu: by default?
[05:12] <sproingie> hybrid: i doubt MS cares what apple's release schedule is
[05:12] <shinu> hybrid: yeah
[05:12] <shinu> i bet not.
[05:12] <chombee> pixil9 - and will the command 'mutt' open the local mailbox for the current user, or do you have to tell it the mailbox?
[05:13] <sproingie> hybrid: they're having serious difficulty enough with their own
[05:13] <pixil9> chombee: for the local user
[05:13] <hybrid> i dont think so
[05:13] <chombee> pixil9 - looks like my answer is yes
[05:13] <shinu> thanks
[05:13] <sproingie> lacking monad/msh, i see admining longhorn from the commandline will still be as much of a chore as it ever was
[05:13] <chombee> okay well no mail right now.... wait and see
[05:13] <Nalioth> zeebu what is your video chip, laptop model, etc...   the more info you can put into chan, the more likely it will trigger some1s noggin
[05:13] <hybrid> sproingie: idk they maybe looking for another steal like with the apple I
[05:13] <bet0x> OFFTOPIC -ChanServ-     FORGET      Make ChanServ forget your channel FOREVER <-- What is this option?
[05:13] <sproingie> they should just opensource monad
[05:13] <pixil9> chombee: I've never done it otherwise.. though you could fetch your mail to evolution with a pop3 daemon.
[05:14] <Nalioth> shinu unknown, but there are several available if they are not
[05:14] <shinu> ok
[05:14] <chombee> pixil9 - will mail for local users go through port 25 (so I can watch it for traffic?)
[05:14] <shinu> how can i open an html file to view code?
[05:14] <Nalioth> shinu, DUH any text editor
[05:14] <MarcN> kkathman: I removed knetworkconf, upgraded and then reinstalled kubuntu-desktop which added back the knetworkconf
[05:14] <Nalioth> shinu for fancy code readin, install quanta
[05:14] <shinu> Nalioth: i vi-ed it :D
[05:14] <sproingie> monad's great because it has pipes, but you can pipe whole objects, not just text
[05:15] <pixil9> Chombee, I don't think so. i think it just runs a command
[05:15] <zeebu> nlaioth: i can specify those details, but i have no idea what you mean by "chan", somels, and noggin?
[05:15] <shinu> Nalioth: ok thanks
[05:15] <pixil9> Chombee, not positive though.
[05:15] <Beuno> hey, I just got ubuntu hoary server version up and running, and Im having trouble share internet with the rest of my network, can anyone point me somewhere?
[05:15] <pixil9> Anyone know a good thumbnail program that will just make thumbs of my pics and create an html?
[05:15] <shinu> Nalioth: i tried vi and didnt seem to work
[05:15] <pixil9> I want something light weight.
[05:15] <sigpc> pixil9: gallery2
[05:15] <chombee> pixil9 - Okay, well I can just check mail for a few days until I see. Thanks a lot looks like you solved a real nasty problem
[05:15] <shinu> Nalioth: no wait...
[05:16] <chombee> pixil9 - Gtumb will do that
[05:16] <pixil9> chombee, create an html?
[05:16] <chombee> gthumb
[05:16] <kkathman> Marc - easier way...Im checking on something now
[05:16] <sigpc> pixil9: gallery2 dude
[05:16] <pixil9> ok
[05:16] <chombee> yeah it well, select a bunch of pictures and choose 'export to web album'.
[05:16] <Nalioth> zeebu the more information about your hardware platform you can put and the problem you are having into the chan(nel) the more likely someONE will have that knowledge in their noggin (american idiom for "head")
[05:16] <sigpc> here's an example: http://ducks.harrisplace.net
[05:16] <pixil9> sigpc: got a link?
[05:16] <sigpc> one sec
[05:16] <pixil9> I want to run it off boa
[05:16] <zeebu> nalioth: aha, thanks, now i'm with you! :)
[05:17] <pixil9> I'm turning my old beater into my pic hosting machine
[05:17] <sigpc> http://gallery.menalto.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index
[05:17] <chombee> piil9 - example: http://seanh.freeshell.org/web-album-montreal/index.html
[05:17] <chombee> pixil9
[05:17] <pixil9> chombee, gthumb did that?
[05:17] <chombee> pixil9 - yeah
[05:18] <pixil9> chombee, k how? :P
[05:18] <pixil9> that's all i need
[05:18] <tosti> anyone knows "how ubuntu knows" what mouse is connected? where is any config of WHAT ane WHERE is connected?
[05:18] <ivoks> tosti ?
[05:18] <Astinus_> how do i configure my monitor in ubuntu so that i can change refresh rate?
[05:18] <pixil9> gotta make a catalog?
[05:18] <ivoks> tosti ur mouse tells him
[05:19] <kkathman> MarcN: its a package error, unfortunately, very odd for ubuntu :(
[05:19] <pixil9> ah "create web album" pimp.
[05:19] <MarcN> Anyone running Wordpress on Hoary?  I've upgraded and WP says: "Your PHP installation appears to be missing the MySQL which is required for WordPress".  But phpmyadmin still works.  Any ideas?
[05:19] <chombee> pixil9 - have all your images in a folder, open one of them with gthumb so that it opens the folder, select all thei mages in gthumb then one of the gthumb menus has an 'export to web album' or 'create web album'. You can choose theme and other settings, and put comments, and the css is easy to customise after gthumb finishes.
[05:19] <ivoks> kkathman ubuntu has quite number of package errors
[05:20] <tosti> ivoks: and what to do if if doesnt understand what my mouse tells him?
[05:20] <chombee> pixil9 - there are tools that create better web albums, but gthumbs are perfectly good and it's easy
[05:20] <kkathman> ivoks: guess I've just been lucky .. I just updated a bunch of stuff, I hope that one doesnt mess things up
[05:20] <pixil9> Sweet. That is PERFECT.
[05:20] <MarcN> found the WordPress 1.5/Hoary problem answer: http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200504  trying it now...
[05:20] <MetalProc> I have troubles upgrading kde, this is what it says:
[05:20] <ivoks> kkathman did u try to create kernel image with make-kpkg?
[05:20] <pixil9> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:888
[05:20] <pixil9> heh
[05:20] <MetalProc> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:20] <MetalProc>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.1_all.deb
[05:20] <MetalProc> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:20] <chombee> pixil9 - I thought it was pretty sweet when I spotted that too
[05:20] <ivoks> chombee nice, didn't know that
[05:21] <ivoks> tosti ok, where is the problem?
[05:21] <MetalProc> Anyone else encountered that?
[05:21] <drcodedd2> Hi all
[05:21] <drcodedd2> can I update modules?
[05:21] <drcodedd2> by apt-get?
[05:21] <tosti> ivoks: installed ubuntu, turned it on, and mouse "acts as being dead"
[05:21] <tosti> ivoks
[05:21] <drcodedd2> I have some drive call osst , I want to update to new ver
[05:21] <pixil9> except it fucked up haha.
[05:21] <ivoks> tosti mouse connected?
[05:22] <MetalProc> I tried it few days ago and it still does that also
[05:22] <icaro> is it posible to install the livecd in a computer?
[05:22] <pixil9> mj4 and on hmm
[05:22] <tosti> ivoks: but on other OS [DOS / win98 and 'live linux' of some kind it worked...]
[05:22] <k4rl> icaro: no
[05:22] <k4rl> (unfortuantely)
[05:22] <Beuno> hey, I just got ubuntu hoary server version up and running, and Im having trouble share internet with the rest of my network, can anyone point me somewhere?
[05:22] <tosti> ivoks: surely connected, ad unbroken
[05:22] <ivoks> tosti ctrl+ald+backspace
[05:22] <ivoks> alt, not ald
[05:23] <tosti> and what it does?
[05:23] <ivoks> restart X
[05:23] <tosti> :)
[05:23] <Sphearion> http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress  <-- glad I don't need help
[05:23] <k4rl> icaro: well, I guess you could pull tricks by running things when yo uwere in the livecd, but you can't follow a nice menu setup at ll.
[05:23] <icaro> ok, thanks k4rl
[05:24] <tosti> ivoks: but i restarted whole machine and it didnt help...
[05:24] <pixil9> chombee: you look?
[05:24] <ivoks> tosti ok, ctrl+alt+f1
[05:24] <sig> anyone else see that ubuntuguide.org is down?
[05:24] <icaro> just one question more, is there a small cd for networkinstallation?
[05:24] <ivoks> tosti log in and open /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:24] <kkathman> ivoks: Nope, all I did was I went to the KDE menu, tried to to a system update, got 10 things, clicked install, and 9 installed fine but the last one did not
[05:25] <sig> anyone happend to have the ubuntu5.04.tar of the ubuntuguide.org ?
[05:25] <drcodedd2> is there possible auto module update?
[05:25] <chombee> pixil9 - huh?
[05:25] <tosti> ivoks: now i am @work... but ill try it later @home :)
[05:25] <ivoks> kkathman ah... ubuntu is work in progress and will be couple of years if they contiune with this tempo
[05:25] <ivoks> tosti well, check out logs
[05:26] <ivoks> tosti and do dmesg | grep mice and dmesg | grep input
[05:26] <dcraven> sig: there is always the Google cache.
[05:26] <kkathman> ivoks: well its a first for me and Ive been running a few months now
[05:26] <dcraven> sig: http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:oCNVrC8mgQ8J:ubuntuguide.org/+ubuntuguide&hl=en
[05:26] <ivoks> tosti if dmesg reports there is mouse, look at Xorg logs and find out what's up with ur mouse
[05:27] <chombee> pixil9 - oh yeah - it was set to the domain in question. I changed it to the local domain. I bet that was the problem, it REALLY looks like it
[05:27] <chombee> pixil9 gotta restart postfix now
[05:27] <ivoks> kkathman i've been using debian for couplse of years and i see how far ubuntu is from complete operating system :)
[05:27] <MarcN> Hmm, my hoary php4 doesn't have mysql support (--without-mysql).  Warty did....
[05:27] <ivoks> MarcN are u sure?
[05:27] <kkathman> ivoks: well ok...I understand
[05:28] <tosti> ivoks: and if there isnt any mouse...? [all my previous experience with mice&linux involved GPM...]  :)
[05:28] <MarcN> ivoks: that is what <?phpinfo()?> says
[05:28] <ivoks> tosti if kernel doesn't recognise ur mice, that's a problem
[05:29] <MarcN> ivoks: but oddly phpmyadmin works.
[05:29] <MarcN> ivoks: now how is that possible?
[05:29] <ivoks> MarcN odbc?
[05:29] <tosti> ivoks: is there a way to FORCE kernel to look on CERTAIN port for CERTAIN mousetype?
[05:29] <ivoks> i don't know...
[05:30] <tarvid> back again, I have a T20 which won't load either live or install
[05:30] <ivoks> tosti no
[05:30] <MarcN> ivoks: local mysql server.
[05:30] <sproingie> debootstrap no workie.  resolver is broken
[05:30] <ivoks> tosti kernel probes on ps/2
[05:30] <sproingie> kind of hard to apt-get install resolver without a resolver
[05:30] <ivoks> tosti i'm sure dmesg will tell u there is mouse
[05:30] <tarvid> the cd is actuall an NEC DVD RW awhich knoppix installs as /dev/scd0
[05:30] <sproingie> s/resolver/resolvconf
[05:30] <tarvid> any workaround?
[05:30] <Kanga> hello all
[05:30] <tosti> ivoks: hmm... that would be strange, as there is no PS2 port :D
[05:31] <ivoks> tosti USB mouse?
[05:31] <tosti> ivoks: serial