[00:24] <Ubulette> [reed], i've submitted a new patch for mozilla bug 344818
[00:24] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 344818 in Build Config "Linking - missing library deps" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344818
[00:24] <[reed]> I noticed.
[00:24] <[reed]> you always need to select a reviewer
[00:24] <Ubulette> i don't know any
[00:24] <[reed]> requesting review from the wind is as bad as not requesting review at all
[00:24] <[reed]> well, it's cairo-related code, so stuart (pavlov) and vlad are both good reviews
[00:25] <[reed]> somebody already requested review from stuart on it
[00:25] <[reed]> though
[00:26] <Ubulette> good
[00:26] <Ubulette> the 1.8 patch should be reviewed too
[00:27] <[reed]> then request review
[00:27] <Ubulette> how ?
[00:27] <[reed]> click "Details" next to the attachment
[00:27] <[reed]> select "?" next to review
[00:27] <[reed]> and put<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:27] <[reed]> (stuart)
[00:31] <Ubulette> You are not authorized to edit attachment 264996.
[00:32] <[reed]> oh
[00:33] <[reed]> what's your bugmail address?
[00:33] <[reed]> n/m
[00:33] <[reed]> got it
[00:34] <[reed]> ok, try now :)
[00:34] <[reed]> I upgraded your permissions.
[00:34] <Ubulette> thx
[00:35] <[reed]> and sent you an e-mail about it
[00:35] <[reed]> :)
[00:36] <Ubulette> done
[00:36] <[reed]> cool
[00:37] <Ubulette> btw, sm2 and xul1.9 ftbfs today
[00:37] <Ubulette> g++-4.2 -o nsCacheEntryDescriptor.o -c -I../../../dist/include/system_wrappers -include ../../../config/gcc_hidden.h -DNECKO_OFFLINE_CACHE -DMOZILLA_INTERNAL_API -DOSTYPE=\"Linux2.6\" -DOSARCH=Linux -DIMPL_NS_NET -I./../../base/src -I../../../dist/include/xpcom -I../../../dist/include/string -I../../../dist/include/necko -I../../../dist/include/pref -I../../../dist/include/storage -I../../../dist/include   -I..
[00:37] <Ubulette> /../../dist/include/nkcache -I/usr/include/nspr     -I../../../dist/sdk/include    -fPIC   -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -pedantic -g -Wall -O2 -fshort-wchar -pthread -pipe  -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED -O   -DMOZILLA_CLIENT -include ../../../mozilla-config.h -Wp,-MD,.deps/nsCacheEntryDescr
[00:37] <Ubulette> iptor.pp nsCacheEntryDescriptor.cpp
[00:37] <Ubulette> nsCacheEntryDescriptor.cpp: In member function 'virtual nsresult nsCacheEntryDescriptor::SetStoragePolicy(nsCacheStoragePolicy)':
[00:37] <Ubulette> nsCacheEntryDescriptor.cpp:342: error: 'ACCESS_WRITE' was not declared in this scope
[00:37] <Ubulette> make[6]: *** [nsCacheEntryDescriptor.o] Error 1
[00:37] <Ubulette> make[6]: Leaving directory `/src/buildbot/seamonkey-2.0-2.0~a1~cvs20071207t2309+bbot/netwerk/cache/src'
[00:37] <Ubulette> oops
[00:38] <Ubulette> same place for xul (so basically ff3)
[00:41] <Ubulette> I have a hard time using firefox without tab mix plus
[00:42] <Ubulette> middle click on a link opens the new tab at the far right, instead of next to the current tab. difficult with ~40 tabs
[07:24] <[reed]> Ubulette: that was already fixed
[07:24] <[reed]> old pull?
[07:25] <[reed]>     if (!(mAccessGranted & nsICache::ACCESS_WRITE))
[07:25] <[reed]> that's what it should be
[12:43] <Ubulette> hi
[12:43] <Ubulette> [reed], yep, i figured that out with mrx.m.o yesterday.
[12:44] <Ubulette> asac, in my ppa, i have xul + ff3 + system cairo 1.5.4
[12:45] <Ubulette> I had to add libpixman-1-dev to builddeps
[16:35] <Ubulette> asac, here ?
[20:15] <Ubulette> $ firefox-3.0
[20:15] <Ubulette> Couldn't load XPCOM.
[20:15] <Ubulette> hmm
[20:15] <Ubulette> $ prism
[20:15] <Ubulette>  /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b2pre/xulrunner-bin: relocation error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9b2pre/libxul.so: symbol CERT_TimeChoiceTemplate_Util, version NSSUTIL_3.12 not defined in file libnssutil3.so.0d with link time reference
[20:17] <mjbauer> Sorry, everybody for bothering you but I am new to Ubuntu and IRC and stuff. So I would like to know how I could help. I have a feeling this isn't the place to ask this kind of stuff so please just tell me where to start.
[20:18] <Ubulette> maybe ask on #ubuntu
[20:19] <Ubulette> this channel of for packaging mozilla stuff
[20:19] <Ubulette> -of+is
[20:25] <mjbauer> ok sorry for bothering you
[20:31] <Ubulette> np
[21:41] <Ubulette> !info valgrind sid
[21:41] <ubotu> valgrind: A memory debugger and profiler. In component main, is optional. Version 1:3.2.3-3 (sid), package size 14058 kB, installed size 33964 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc)
[21:42] <Ubulette> asac, I see you're the last uploader, can I merge it ?
[22:05] <Ubulette> ok, i did it anyway
[22:05] <Ubulette> bug 175175
[22:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175175 in valgrind "Please upload merge valgrind 3.2.3-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175175
[22:05] <Ubulette> i'm waiting for you before I assign it to someone for review


[01:12] <jcastro> nice work rick_h_
[01:12] <rick_h_> jcastro: :)
[01:12] <jcastro> what do you think so far?
[01:12] <rick_h_> not sure, the home page is hard to scan. Too much info across varying their size
[01:12] <jcastro> yeah
[01:13] <jcastro> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/categories
[01:13] <jcastro> would be a saner homepage
[01:13] <rick_h_> the new topic 'indicator' is too much like a button and moves all over
[01:13] <jcastro> assuming the categories are all organized
[01:13] <rick_h_> yea, fought some of this with bookie: https://bmark.us/recent
[01:13] <rick_h_> trying to split out the data so that it still lines up/is scanable
[01:14] <jcastro> man dude
[01:14] <jcastro> your gravatar is awesome
[01:14] <jcastro> I should have waited for gmb
[01:14] <rick_h_> gmb ftw
[01:15] <rick_h_> just wish I had a diff shirt but on friday was out of options in the suitcase
[01:16] <rick_h_> kind of cool though. needs some UX love. I like the display of the topics except for that footer and the 6/6 thing
[01:16] <jcastro> yeah
[01:17] <jcastro> wip
[01:17] <jcastro> still though
[01:17] <rick_h_> definitely
[01:17] <jcastro> compared to vbulletin?
[01:17] <rick_h_> I've been spending too much time in forums lately ugh
[01:17] <jcastro> http://ubuntuforums.org/forum.php
[01:18] <rick_h_> the thing is how does it scale up. The ubuntu forums are crazy for so many forums/sub forums.
[01:18] <jcastro> juju add-unit
[01:18] <rick_h_> my woodworking forum isn't that bad. It's only a handful
[01:18] <jcastro> :)
[01:18] <rick_h_> hah, I more mean visually/usability :P
[01:18] <jcastro> this is atwood's new thing btw.
[01:18] <jcastro> it'll scale and be awesome
[01:18] <rick_h_> http://www.semiww.org/forum/index.php looks a lot diff than http://ubuntuforums.org/forum.php
[01:19] <jcastro> yeah so this is why we set this up
[01:19] <jcastro> to answer those questions
[01:19] <rick_h_> yea, cool.
[01:40] <snap-l> evening
[01:41] <snap-l> looking for topics for upcoming mug meetings (and speakets to go withthem)
[12:24] <brousch> rick_h_: You see this? http://purecss.io/
[12:24] <rick_h_> brousch: https://bmark.us/admin/recent :)
[12:24] <rick_h_> brousch: look like a cleaned up/renamed YUI CSS.
[12:24] <brousch> heh
[12:24] <rick_h_> they're using the new YUI responsive grid stuff
[12:25] <brousch> I still don't like all the row and column stuff in my html
[12:25] <rick_h_> yea, but it's tough when you want a fluid layout without it
[12:26] <rick_h_> otherwise you get a hard coded count of columns
[12:26] <brousch> http://semantic.gs/
[12:27] <rick_h_> ugh, less
[12:27] <brousch> I know
[12:27] <brousch> Or sass
[12:27] <rick_h_> oh, sass is ok
[12:27] <rick_h_> current work project uses less and getting cranky with it
[12:27] <brousch> That's the cleanest grid I've found
[12:28] <rick_h_> well, you can use that grid but the pure stuff for reset, forms, etc. :)
[12:28] <brousch> Perhaps
[12:28] <brousch> We have a big sass community here, so I've not tried less
[12:29] <rick_h_> yea, the juju gui is less and I was originally agnostic as long as you used something...now I'm turning into a hater
[12:29] <rick_h_> part of it is how we use it though so can't get too cranky with it.
[12:31] <brousch> You're working on juju now?
[12:31] <rick_h_> yea
[12:31] <rick_h_> doing the sidebar stuff on the left of http://uistage.jujucharms.com:8080/:flags:/browser_enabled
[12:32] <brousch> looks touch-friendly
[12:32] <brousch> big targets
[12:32] <rick_h_> yea, should work on a tablet. I test it on my N10 once in a while
[12:33] <brousch> Expansion is not obvious
[12:34] <brousch> Is the ^ an action or a status?
[12:34] <rick_h_> it's open/collapse indicator if you're talking about the thing I think you are
[12:34] <brousch> Heh, wtf: This page is in Galacian would you like to translate it?
[12:35] <rick_h_> yea, we've not figured out why chrome wants to translate it yet
[12:35] <brousch> maybe ceph and juju are galacian words? Crazy
[12:36] <brousch> When collapsed I think you need something under the second item to indicate there are more of them hidden
[12:37] <brousch> Maybe a skinny row with ... in it or something
[12:37] <rick_h_> so I guess some of the UX is brought over from Unity.
[12:37] <brousch> When it comes up, I see the upside down ^ and think it's already expanded
[12:37] <rick_h_> yea, I said the same thing
[12:38] <brousch> It looks nice
[12:38] <rick_h_> I prefer the sideways/down
[12:38] <rick_h_> vs an up/down
[12:38] <rick_h_> but yea, a pure JS client side application
[12:38] <rick_h_> for managing your juju stuff
[12:39] <rick_h_> talks to a pyramid app for api data using mongodb on the back end
[12:39] <brousch> Hah, just found the crazy connected icons thing on the right
[12:39] <rick_h_> the environment?
[12:39] <rick_h_> where it shows what's deployed to your cloud
[12:39] <brousch> I guess
[12:39] <brousch> It's applications connected by lines
[12:40] <rick_h_> right, so that's the juju stuff. It's what services you've deployed to your cloud and are running and relates them together
[12:40] <brousch> nice
[12:40] <rick_h_> so deploying haproxy and connecting it to your wordpress will proxy wordpress for you
[12:44] <brousch> wow. i like the forms in pure.io
[12:46] <brousch> ooo, buttons are nice too
[13:40] <jrwren> don't attach to the same tmux session from within that tmux session. :)
[13:41] <brousch> Did you rip a hole in space and time?
[13:41] <rick_h_> jrwren: lol, done that it's fun
[13:45] <ColonelPanic001> now I want to try it.
[17:18] <greg-g> how do I subscribe to a bug report on github?
[17:18] <greg-g> or is that "not the one true way of doing software development"? I also don't own a mac, so I might have gotten off on the wrong foot here.
[17:20] <jrwren> lol
[17:20] <jrwren> where is this?
[17:21] <greg-g> ? here. I just want to know when a specific bug is fixed, that's it. And maybe comment if people need more debugging. But I don't want to leave a "just subscribing" comment on the bug
[17:22] <brousch> greg-g: "Watch thread" at the bottom of the bug thread
[17:23] <greg-g> but it says: "You only receive notifications for this thread when you participate or are @mentioned"
[17:23] <greg-g> next to that button
[17:23] <brousch> Right, click that button. It's a pull-down
[17:23] <brousch> Isn't it obvious that a button is a selector?
[17:23] <greg-g> ah, I have to reload for the text next to the button to make any sense anymore
[17:24] <greg-g> it is obvious, but the text explaining my situation should change accordingly
[17:24] <brousch> Click it, pick Watching
[17:24] <greg-g> and then what?
[17:24] <greg-g> there's no confirmation etc
[17:24] <greg-g> so do i click "comment"
[17:24] <greg-g> or just reload
[17:24] <brousch> Sounds like a bug
[17:24] <greg-g> the answer is reload, but that is nonintuiitive
[17:26] <jrwren> file a bug @ github with this chat transcript. they will fix it.
[17:27] <greg-g> jrwren: can't i just tweet? :)
[17:31] <jrwren> yes, that will probably work :)
[17:32] <jrwren> pretty sure github has a "turn tweet into bug" button implemented.
[17:52] <snap-l> heh
[17:53] <snap-l> I really really hate this power daemon for my UPS
[17:54] <snap-l> the moment it hiccups the connection it'll suspend
[19:33] <greg-g> jrwren: is having WUBS hating kind of day
[19:34] <jrwren> i always hate wubs.
[19:34] <greg-g> :)
[19:34] <jrwren> i'm just having a vocal wub hating day
[19:34] <greg-g> you're just making me smile, is all
[19:34] <greg-g> :)
[19:34] <jrwren> omg seriously!!!
[19:34] <jrwren> WHY greg-g ???  They are a form of warm fuzzy: they are free to give and they bring joy to the recipient."
[20:21] <brousch> I think I'm going to puke
[20:22] <greg-g> hater
[20:24] <brousch> Warm fuzzy is what they taught my 5 year old at kindergarten :P
[20:24] <brousch> Along with "cold prickly"
[20:24] <jrwren> my kid learned to fight in kindergarten.
[20:24] <jrwren> me: "did you kick him back?"
[20:26] <brousch> No fights yet, but my son will likely get his butt kicked
[20:29] <jrwren> lol
[21:40] <jrwren> python, because foo = defaultdict(lambda: defaultdict(lambda: 0))
[21:40] <jrwren> is a good idea
[21:59] <gamerchick02> did i walk in on a "which programming language is better" discussion?
[22:06] <greg-g> gamerchick02: don't worry, jrwren is just talking to himself, per usual
[22:09] <gamerchick02> oh.
[22:09] <gamerchick02> he'd fit right in over at work. we all talk to ourselves.
[23:26] <snap-l> I dunno, I always get afraid of editing Wikipedia articles for fear that the whole thing will be brought to someone's attention, and the whole page will be deemed irrelevant to the greater population
[23:26] <snap-l> I mean, not everything on Wikipedia can have the cultural significance of Marvel's Civil War
[23:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: one level too much foo = defaultdict(lambda: defaultdict(int)
[23:30] <rick_h_> should do the same thing
[23:30] <rick_h_> and it's justbecause you need a callable to be passed to defaultdict, and the result of defaultdict isn't a callable
[23:31] <rick_h_> don't get so lambda happy :P
[23:32] <snap-l> Thus spaketh the Dalai Lambda
[23:55] <Blazeix> mathomastech: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostgreSQL


 How about vmware player?
 I'd use anything before using hyperv
 Try kvm
 @RazPi ask away.
 I'll answer when I can.
 VMware player is ok if you have VMware workstation.  I don't.
[08:55] <floridagram-bot1> * ahoneybun starts 16.04 to 18.04 upgrade on his linode.
 wish me luck lol.
 ... on a vps?
 Yeah, good luck
 I rarely have issues on non OpenVZ machines
 I'm going to wait to upgrade closet-server for a while.  I don't need the hastle
 I think the one I use is onapp
 For my work vps
 @RazPi - Act Fast (on a Lightning Deal, there is also a save 5% coupon code on the page) -
[13:39] <floridagram-bot1> https://www.amazon.com/NOVOO-Adapter-Compatible-MateBook-Chromebook/dp/B075FQY5BN/ref=as_li_ss_tl?smid=AX0BPKZH3NYP4&pf_rd_p=5e6de09d-bef7-4e4d-bedd-33ad8096e218&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-8&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=384082011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=XMTWXYWWF43XPZYHQ2HH&linkCode=ll1&tag=tcz-20&linkId=ce003e1d27882ddfd35fbe5b9c006973&language=en_US
 @Ivoriesablaze may also want one
 @RazPi - The refurbished XM2s are down to $200 https://amzn.to/2JykkFd
 @govatent - how long are you down for and what days do you have free?
 (Location, lon: -97.040059, lat: 32.89919)
 Making my way.
 Where to?
 Japan.
 I thought that was next year. Safe travels
 Things did not go as planned. I had a huge family fight.
 I leave on Sunday and today and tomorrow are for the wedding
 @KMyers, Yep thanks!
 I'll share photos.
 @KMyers @AdamOutler
 I have seen those before. They are good but I like to bring my own content
 @KMyers my financial situation may drastically change soon, unfortunately there are no headphones in my current future :/
 https://youtu.be/3vCpYgaZpiw
 Just start Xorg as an unprivileged user and set the log path to the /etc/shadow file and use font paths to write a new entry for root user.
 This is an exploit that affects all Xorg systems.
 Remove SetUID bit from Xorg to prevent arbitrary priv elevation.


[09:50] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[23:22] <waltman> Am I right to be pissed off about this? It's going to get a lot less eyeballs there than in the main hardware forum.
[23:22] <waltman> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2393447
[23:22] <waltman> this ^
[23:24] <waltman> Ask on #ubuntu, not a single response. Type it up and ask on the hardware forum, and the first person to read it moves it somewhere else.


[13:33] <ajin> hi, everyone
[13:33] <ajin> anybody?
[13:34] <ajin> sorry, but a female of my friends wanna try ubuntu
[13:34] <ajin> do u hava any ideas?
[13:35] <ajin> hello
[13:35] <ajin> fine, i'm leaving
[13:41]  * svaksha blinks
[13:41] <svaksha> hmm...what was that about
[13:41] <Pendulum> lack of immediate response
[13:41] <svaksha> all of 2 minutes *sigh*


[19:35] <Kraus> Afternoon! I travel to the realms of Eternia to beseech the audience of the Masters of the Universe to inquire how a package might be updated from its 2018 version to the most recent! Is this the right place?
[19:38] <rbasak> Kraus: this is the right place, but are you talking about updating the development Ubuntu release or a stable release? If for a stable release, this really should be in an FAQ somewhere: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[19:40] <Kraus> rbasak: Stable release, yeah. the package for glade, which is currently 3.22 from March 2018, but the newest version is 3.38.2 from Nov 2020. https://glade.gnome.org/
[19:41] <Kraus> (huh, actually 3.38.2 is the newest via flatpack and snapcraft. Not sure why it's not showing on the list on that site)
[19:42] <rbasak> It's not likely that glade can be updated in a stable release.
[19:42] <Kraus> Wait, when you say stable, do you mean Ubuntu stable? Or Glade stable?
[19:42] <rbasak> Ubuntu stable.
[19:42] <Kraus> Ahhh~ Sorry, I thought you meant the newest stable release of Glade. :) I'm new at this.
[19:43] <rbasak> We do update Ubuntu stable releases with new software - that's what we call the subsequent release :-P
[19:44] <Kraus> Yeah, I just noticed that the current one on apt is from 3 years ago. Figured it would be good to get the newest one going eventually?
[19:44] <rbasak> Glade is up to 3.38.2 in Hirsute
[19:44] <rbasak> Hirsute is likely to be released as 21.04 next month.
[19:44] <Kraus> Ah, good! So I just have to wait a month or two?
[19:44] <Kraus> Nice. :)
[19:44] <Kraus> Well, that answers my question then!
[19:46] <Kraus> So.. while I'm here, I might as well ask, did they re-open the Slime Pit or is it still under investigation?
[19:47] <rbasak> I don't understand your question.
[19:47] <Kraus> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=motu+slime+pit
[19:47] <Kraus> Heard there was a lot of NSFW hankypanky going on there.


[03:26] <olly> precise EOL is tomorrow, except for "Ubuntu Advantage customers" according to https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
[03:26] <olly> compare and contrast with "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the “enterprise edition”, we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms." according to https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/s390x/ch01s01.html
[03:36] <mwhudson> oh come on
[06:40] <shxpc> hmmm
[06:40] <lakan> hmmm
[06:54] <lakan> exit


[10:41] <cjwatson> oops, sorry, I ran daily-checks manually with the wrong arguments so some of you will probably have got some duplicate image-health-check mail
[10:47] <cjwatson> not sure I can do much about the precise image oversizing
[10:50] <cjwatson> so, fortunately not many tests have been run yet as I need to respin most things for 12.04.4, I think
[10:50] <cjwatson> there's an updated wubi.exe, which is on the live and DVD images
[10:51] <ogra_> it seems to improve in each mail .... we should always run it multiple times :)
[10:51] <cjwatson> there's an updated partman-crypto, which is on the d-i-based images
[10:51] <cjwatson> ogra_: different series
[10:51] <cjwatson> and the last one was quantal so wouldn't expect output there
[10:51] <ogra_> dont trash my dreams :)
[10:51] <cjwatson> there's an updated ltsp, which intersects with both the above
[10:51] <cjwatson> and I still need to investigate why the wubi filesystem images are failing to build
[10:52] <cjwatson> or more specifically why they stopped building on 2013-08-23
[10:53] <xnox> cjwatson: i thought last couple of precise point releases, release team agreed that there is not much we can do about precise image growth, since hwe stacks get larger / gain additional dependencies.
[10:53] <cjwatson> well, 2013-08-26 actually
[10:53] <cjwatson> xnox: I think that's right
[10:53] <cjwatson> but worth mentioning anyway
[10:55] <xnox> (standing point-release item ;-) kind of reminds me debian's back in the day "kabbalah" vote on non-free linux kernel shortly before each release)
[10:55] <xnox> (not any more, as default debian kernel is free these days)
[11:03] <cjwatson> wubi fs builds probably fixed, retrying
[11:04] <cjwatson> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/1360
[11:25] <cjwatson> Fix texinfo files for makeinfo-5.1
[11:25] <cjwatson> oops, sorry
[11:44] <cjwatson> ok, that looks a bit better now.  respinning precise world
[11:45] <cjwatson> except core, which hasn't changed
[12:25] <ogra_> stgraber, i just had import-images running while starting copy-image ...
[12:25] <ogra_> stgraber, it worked fine, but i got some traceback stuff
[12:25] <ogra_> Waiting for other process to release the global lock
[12:25] <ogra_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:25] <ogra_>   File "/srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/bin/copy-image", line 299, in <module>
[12:25] <ogra_>     os.remove(lock_file)
[12:25] <ogra_> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/state/global.lock'
[12:26] <ogra_> smells like copy-image didnt wait long enough to claim the new lock so the end of import-images removed the valid lockfile
[12:52] <apw> ogra_, that description implies that we are lock breaking, which means the lockfile is basically worthless
[12:53] <ogra_> apw, right ... i think it got torn out underneath the second command
[12:53] <ogra_> it helpd to hold it back until the first one was done though
[12:53] <apw> ahh, i see, it was "end of wait" recovery which failed
[12:54] <ogra_> right
[12:54] <apw> thats less frightening
[12:54] <ogra_> just a race wiht the lock removal
[12:57] <xnox> 12.04.4 -> wubi is all good now.
[14:16] <stgraber> ogra_: oh, yes, I saw that one before, should be easy to fix when I have a minute. At least the os.remove is the last thing to happen so the stacktrace isn't too concerning (nothing was skipped due to it)
[14:16] <ogra_> yeah, no worries
[14:16] <ogra_> as long as the race is on removal :)
[15:21] <shadeslayer> could someone force cantor https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cantor/4:4.12.1-0ubuntu1 to the release pocket?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> it depends on things like gcl which haven't been bootstrapped on arm64 and ppc64el
[15:22] <cjwatson> So why is it built on the architectures where it doesn't work?
[15:22] <cjwatson> In general I'm not prepared to force uninstallable packages in
[15:23] <cjwatson> But you could easily just not build cantor-backend-maxima on the arches that don't have gcl, no?
[15:23] <cjwatson> (Or suggest how we might go about bootstrapping gcl, which is also a possibility ...)
[15:28] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: I actually don't see a way to selectively not build the maxima backend just by build dep twiddling
[15:29]  * shadeslayer looks at CMake
[15:29] <cjwatson> you could arch-restrict it
[15:29] <cjwatson> but I'm looking to see how hard it is to port gcl now
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:31] <cjwatson> it's not a self-build-dep, so it might just be a straightforward porting job
[15:31] <shadeslayer> interestingly the maxima, octave and scilab backends will always be built
[15:37] <cjwatson> Fedora has a thoroughly unconvincing patch set that basically just updates config.{guess,sub}
[15:37] <cjwatson> (claiming to fix this, but I don't think it does)
[15:41] <shadeslayer_> cjwatson: let me know the situation wrt gcl
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> I have http://paste.kde.org/pb337eb3d ready to be pushed
[18:47] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: I had a look at this; I don't think the patch would be huge, but I'm not enough of a toolchain hacker to find it easy.  I think you should go ahead with that arch-restriction patch for now.
[18:48] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:38] <rsalveti> slangasek: hey, we're trying to land latest mir, which requires a rebuild of the xorg-server package, which was just uploaded (new upstream release), but unfortunately failing to build as it got some additional dependencies from universe
[19:40] <rsalveti> slangasek: mlankhorst uploaded it while we were about to land mir, and I believe we can either drop the new release or try to include the newer dependencies in main
[19:40] <rsalveti> but I believe the MIR process might not necessarily happen so soon
[19:41] <rsalveti> slangasek: how should we proceed?
[19:42]  * ogra_ thought there was a decision to stay with xorg 1.14
[19:42] <rsalveti> well, 1.15 was just uploaded :-)
[19:42] <ogra_> yes, i see that
[19:42] <ogra_> surprising
[19:43] <rsalveti> kgunn: besides this issue with xorg, are we good to land latest mir?
[19:43] <kgunn> rsalveti: ogra_ can i have like ....mmm....15 min...almost through ap testing...
[19:44] <rsalveti> kgunn: sure, just to know if you already found any other issue with it :-)
[19:44] <kgunn> it all looks ok...
[19:44] <ogra_> kgunn, well, with the xorg issue it will probably take more than 15min anyway
[19:44] <kgunn> so far
[19:44] <rsalveti> yeah
[19:44] <rsalveti> great
[19:45] <rsalveti> asac: we might need your help as well
[19:45] <rsalveti> seems you're the admin of https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-002, and I believe we'd need a new xorg-server upload there once we know how to proceed
[19:45] <rsalveti> unless we remove the newer version from proposed
[19:47] <Sarvatt> xserver will need a huge transition of packages once it builds in proposed, probably better off removing it if its urgent
[19:48] <rsalveti> yeah
[19:48] <ogra_> right
[19:48] <rsalveti> well, we're trying to land mir for almost 2 weeks already
[19:48] <rsalveti> if not more
[19:48] <ogra_> if it blocks Mir that means it essentially blocks mobile development until Mir can land
[19:49] <rsalveti> yup
[19:49] <ogra_> and the mobile stuff produced a lot of backlog already due to delayed landings
[19:49] <ogra_> keeping it artificially delayed due to an unexpected xserver bump seems bad
[19:59] <Sarvatt> so i'm guessing the xserver update is going to need a FFe because MWC isn't until after feature freeze? :P
[20:00] <Sarvatt> it would have been in much earlier but only just got an fglrx driver for it today
[20:09] <slangasek> ogra_: mm, do you know where it was discussed to stay with xorg 1.14?
[20:10] <ogra_> slangasek, no, i just had the impression
[20:10] <slangasek> ok
[20:10] <ogra_> (that we dont want to invest much extra work into new xorg versions)
[20:13] <slangasek> is there an MIR bug open for libxshmfence?
[20:14] <slangasek> yes, bug #1276103, which is marked approved by the MIR team
[20:14] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1276103 in x11proto-present (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libxshmfence, x11proto-present and x11proto-dri3" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1276103
[20:15] <slangasek> rsalveti: ^^ so this will be unblocked as soon as we promote those packages to main (doing so now)
[20:15] <ogra_> ya
[20:15] <ogra_> y
[20:15] <rsalveti> slangasek: awesome
[20:16] <slangasek> (done)
[20:21] <rsalveti> great
[20:21] <rsalveti> kgunn: we should be good then, just need a rebuild once we're able to land mir
[20:23] <kgunn> rsalveti: ack ...on it
[21:57] <kgunn> rsalveti: ok...sorry for the delay...all good on mir testing...i only had one AP failure on unity8 suite...and it was some notification test that seems completely unrelated to mir
[21:58] <kgunn> i say its good
[21:59] <rsalveti> kgunn: alright, so +1 on your side
[22:00] <rsalveti> kgunn: which slot, 2?
[22:01] <kgunn> rsalveti: yes...002
[22:01] <rsalveti> kgunn: alright, will try to publish it
[22:02]  * rsalveti crosses his fingers
[22:02]  * kgunn crosses every limb and digit
[22:03] <rsalveti> packaging changes, let me quickly review those
[22:04] <rsalveti> looks fine
[22:05] <rsalveti> failed when publishing xorg, which was kind of expected, need to bump xorg in the ppa
[22:06] <rsalveti> slangasek: there's a new for xorg-server
[22:12] <slangasek> rsalveti: looking
[22:17] <slangasek> rsalveti: accepted
[22:18] <rsalveti> slangasek: thanks


  The !controls factoid currently suggests http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side to move the controls back to the right-hand side -- I just deleted this site.  I would like to apologize, but I'm trying to eliminate my reliance on SaS.
[11:23] <Tm_T> ZykoticK9: is the information available elsewhere?
[11:24] <ZykoticK9> Tm_T, I'm not really sure, I don't think so in a way (certainly no official Ubuntu documentation for it).  Although it still worked, it was kinda dated.
[11:25] <Tm_T> !controls
[11:25] <Tm_T> so we need to find out some guide for it (:
[11:26] <ZykoticK9> Tm_T, it won't apply to unity - and it wasn't getting many hits these days.
[11:26] <ZykoticK9> Tm_T, i think 10 people viewed it over the last month or two
[11:27] <Tm_T> still we need some guide
[11:27] <ZykoticK9> Tm_T, is this an issue i can leave with you?
[11:27] <ZykoticK9> I do want someone to update the factoid - and i'm sorry but I don't personally want to do it.
[11:28] <Tm_T> ZykoticK9: I'll remove the link, thanks for letting us know. If you find any other guide that could be helpful on the matter, feel free to suggest (:
[11:28] <jussi> !no, controls is <reply>In Lucid, the minimize, maximize, and close buttons have been moved to the left side. For more information, please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564
[11:28] <Tm_T> bah
[11:28] <Tm_T> yes yes, I'm slow (:
[11:29] <jussi> :D
[11:29] <jussi> poor Tm_T
[11:29] <Tm_T> I was still copypasting the old one
[11:29] <ZykoticK9> jussi, thanks - Tm_T you too.
[11:30] <k1l> i think there are tons of guides on the web. what about this? http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[11:35] <jussi> k1l: I wonder if there is one on the wiki?
[11:36] <k1l> just did a quick google search
[11:41] <k1l> search on wiki.ubuntu.com is very slooooooooooow
[11:44] <Tm_T> try using google search for the wiki: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Awiki.ubuntu.com+controls
[12:05] <jussi> Just a reminder peoples, please, lets have anything you want discussed at UDS added here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/UDS-O/Ideas
[12:06] <jussi> to clarify, anything IRC related that you want discussed.
[15:43] <bognarandras> hi, i need an ubuntu member irc cloack, can somebody help me with that? here is my launchpad page: https://launchpad.net/~bognarandras
[15:47] <tsimpson> bognarandras: one minute
[15:47] <bognarandras> thank you tsimpson
[15:51] <tsimpson> bognarandras: it seems you'll have to wait until september
[15:52] <bognarandras> okay
[15:54] <bognarandras> bye
[16:27] <Tm_T> huh?
[16:59] <popey> tsimpson: why?
[16:59] <tsimpson> popey: that's what staff told me
[17:00] <jussi> The guy has many times asked for cloak changes iirc.
[17:01] <popey> so this is a specific "not this guy again"
[17:01] <popey> not "no more ubuntu cloaks until september"?
[17:03] <tsimpson> I asked staff to set the cloak, staff told me that he's been told he won't get any cloak changes until september
[17:03] <jussi> popey: correct. Staff informed us that this paricular user cannot change his cloak until sept
[17:03] <popey> ok, thanks
[17:03] <tsimpson> I just passed that message on ;)
[17:13] <rww> ah, they tell you if you've been changing cloaks too often? that makes me feel less bad about poking for cloak changes a few times.
[17:19]  * vish thinks rww should have no probs with that limit; from what i've heard : what rww wants, rww gets..  ;)
[17:30]  * Pici recalls seeing that user ask that his ubuntu member cloak be removed about a week or so ago
[17:33] <tsimpson> my mail agrees with you
[17:42] <MichealH> heh
[18:05] <popey> indeed
[18:05] <popey> this is why I asked. he contacted me to get his ubuntu membership reinstated
[18:06] <popey> I wasn't aware there was a flip-flopping of cloaks
[21:44] <tsimpson> popey: how come #ubuntu-uk-meeting isn't on irclogs.u.c?


[13:13] <rbasak> mdeslaur, leosilva: I just circled round to this ^. Looks like the bug tags were correct at the time of the "trumping" though. Athos changed them afterwards. So I think my original question still stands. My only concern is if there's a process issue on an ongoing basis that we should address - it doesn't matter about that case specifically.
[13:13] <mdeslaur> rbasak: oh! that changes the data
[13:13] <rbasak> Is it in general OK for the security team to routinely bundle changes that the SRU team have "staged" like this?
[13:14] <mdeslaur> so yes, leosilva was supposed to look to see if the packages in proposed were ready to be published, and base his updates on top of them
[13:14] <rbasak> OK, so no fundamental flaw in our expectation then. I feel relieved :)
[13:14] <mdeslaur> if the packages in -proposed have been tested and are ok to publish, we will build on top of them
[13:14] <rbasak> Great - thanks!
[13:14] <mdeslaur> sometimes we may publish a day or two earlier than the 7-day sru waiting period
[13:15] <mdeslaur> leosilva: please do that next time ^
[13:15] <rbasak> Yeah. And also I understand that there will be exceptions - like if you prepared and tested an embarboed update
[13:15] <mdeslaur> leosilva: and if you do supersede a package because it's not tested, please mention it in the changelog
[13:15] <rbasak> (and that raced an SRU without us knowing)
[13:16] <mdeslaur> sure, there can be exceptions due to bad timing, but I don't think that was the case here
[13:18] <mdeslaur> (oh and when I said we may publish a day or two earlier, that's _with_ the -proposed changes)