[02:52] <asac> i am in canada ;)
[02:52] <asac> oh ... quite late ;)
[03:09] <[reed]> asac: #moz08 on irc.mozilla.org
[03:19]  * asac joins that channel ;)
[03:29]  * asac goes looking for fooood
[03:30] <asac> cu tomorrow
[03:41] <[reed]> same!
[05:46]  * gnomefreak going to bed its almost 1:00am
[09:33] <XioNoX> hi!
[11:08] <gnomefreak> bug 201655
[11:08] <gnomefreak> bug 240093
[11:19] <XioNoX> someone know when asac will be back ?
[11:20] <Jazzva> XioNoX, he's in Canada atm...
[11:20] <gnomefreak> he should be there
[11:20] <Jazzva> So, at some appropriate time, but in some other timezone (most probably UTC-4)
[11:21] <gnomefreak> yep
[11:21] <gnomefreak> if toronto area
[11:21] <gnomefreak> who speaks german beside him?
[11:21] <XioNoX> Jazzva, ok thx, for the Mozilla Summit I think
[11:22] <gnomefreak> XioNoX: yep that would be where he is until thursday IIRC
[11:22] <XioNoX> ok
[11:22] <Jazzva> XioNoX, no problem :).
[11:25] <gnomefreak> what OO.o application would i find the following? OpenOffice.org 2.4 -> Extras -> Options -> Internet -> E-Mail
[11:25] <gnomefreak> i cant seem to get it from word nor from oo.o menu in applications > office
[15:36] <asac_the_2nd> too bad
[15:36] <asac_the_2nd> when did my nick disappear?
[15:36] <XioNoX> hey
[15:36] <Volans> Hi asac_the_2nd how are you after meny hours of fly?
[15:36] <Volans> I don't know
[15:36] <asac_the_2nd> i slept for 12 hours  now ;)
[15:37] <asac_the_2nd> so feeling better
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> btw, its UTC-8 here or something like that
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> current time is 7:39 in the morning :-D
[15:39] <Volans> where are you, california?
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> vancouver
[15:39] <gnomefreak> thats the time zone hes in
[15:39] <asac_the_2nd> (whistler to be exact)
[15:40]  * gnomefreak finally a higher time zone than asac ;)
[15:40] <gnomefreak> well have fun ive been here since like 4ish and im getting tired
[15:40] <asac_the_2nd> sure
[15:41] <asac_the_2nd> if anyone has a backlog and can see when my main nick went offline I would appreciate any info ;(
[15:45] <Volans> asac_the_2nd: maybe ubuntulog ?
[15:45] <asac_the_2nd> isnt that far
[15:46] <Volans> have tried with the last seen irc command'
[15:46] <Volans> ?
[15:46] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: 07:48 GMT
[15:46] <armin76> * asac has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
[15:46] <armin76> @seen asac
[15:46] <armin76> !seen asac
[15:46] <armin76> lol
[15:47] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: why wasn't i invited?! :(
[15:48] <armin76> -NickServ- Last addr  : n=asac@debian/developer/asac
[15:48] <armin76> -NickServ- Last seen  : Jul 28 07:48:45 2008 (6 hours, 59 minutes, 48 seconds ago)
[15:52] <asac_the_2nd> just amazing
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> whenever i leave my system goes down :(
[15:53] <asac_the_2nd> i cannot even call my telephone at home anymore
[15:53] <Volans> Murphy's Law ;)
[15:57] <asac_the_2nd> yeah. still a pain in the ass
[15:57] <asac_the_2nd> even if this pain has a name
[15:59] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, so how are things going?
[16:00] <XioNoX> trying to make a rich list box
[16:00] <asac_the_2nd> but the query works now?
[16:00] <XioNoX> see here
[16:00] <XioNoX> http://xionox.info/testmoz/test4.xul
[16:00] <XioNoX> with templates only
[16:01] <XioNoX> but I'm going very slowly
[16:01] <asac_the_2nd> yeah. templates can be painful
[16:01] <XioNoX> for exemple, here, if I add another triple, nothing works...
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, i gave you the example on friday how to get plugin details
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> why dong you use that as a base?
[16:02] <XioNoX> i've lost the file
[16:02] <XioNoX> :D
[16:02] <asac_the_2nd> thats not my problem then
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> i cannot log in at home ;(
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[16:03] <asac_the_2nd> i think i pasted it ... so maybe you can find it there
[16:04] <XioNoX> nice, i didn't know this page
[16:05] <XioNoX> it is what i try to do, create a richlistbox and add the content of the .rdf inside
[16:06] <asac_the_2nd> yeah
[16:06] <asac_the_2nd> find that snippet
[16:07] <asac_the_2nd> XioNoX, http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/pfs_xionox/test3.xul
[16:08] <XioNoX> ok, thx, it is what i was looking for
[16:15] <asac_the_2nd> hmm ... my provider says that there is major bustage in my home city ... internet-wise
[16:15] <asac_the_2nd> lets hope my system will auto recover once that is fixed :/
[16:15]  * asac_the_2nd goes out looking for breakfast
[16:31] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: why wasn't i invited? :D
[16:50] <XioNoX> asac_the_2nd, it was long but i finally did it : http://xionox.info/testmoz/test3.xul
[17:12] <XioNoX> see you tomorrow
[17:12] <XioNoX> bye
[18:28] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, i wasnt ask about whom to invite ;) ... but i am on it this time
[18:32] <armin76> bad asac
[18:33] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: even if i fix a lot more stuff than you!
[18:35] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: i have a backtrace of sparc sigbus during runtime(which occurs on gentoo and intrepid), want to see it?
[18:37] <asac_the_2nd> sure why not
[18:39] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: http://pastebin.osuosl.org/10911
[18:41] <asac_the_2nd> oh in url classifier
[18:41] <asac_the_2nd> interesting
[18:41] <armin76> eh, wtf
[18:41] <armin76> http://rafb.net/p/DLog8Q70.html
[18:42] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: could be sqlite?
[18:42] <armin76> because thats the main change between 3.0 and 3.0.1
[18:42] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, err, we are using system sqlite in intrepid
[18:43] <armin76> you are? :)
[18:43] <asac_the_2nd> yey
[18:43] <armin76> !info sqlite intrepid
[18:43] <armin76> !info sqlite3 intrepid
[18:43] <armin76> same problem
[18:43] <armin76> i mean its 3.5.9 what is causing problems
[18:45] <asac_the_2nd> so is it unaligned mem?
[18:46] <armin76> no idea, just guessing
[18:47] <armin76> will try building and downgrading sqlite
[18:47] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, so in 3.0 it didnt crash?
[18:48] <armin76> correct
[18:50] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, but when 3.0 in intrepid doesnt crash how can it be sqlite?
[18:52] <armin76> hrm...
[18:52] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: why are you so sure it didn't crash?
[18:52] <armin76> we're talking about sparc, btw
[18:52] <asac_the_2nd> i nkow
[18:53] <asac_the_2nd> armin76, if you disable safebrowsing, does it work like a charm? or do you run in other sigbus'es
[18:54] <armin76> disable safebrowsing in building or in the prefs?
[18:55] <asac_the_2nd> in prefs
[18:55] <armin76> let me check
[18:59] <asac_the_bumber> i'm asac the bumber!
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> bumb
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> bumb
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> bah
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> hello
[19:00] <asac_the_bumber> hrm
[19:01] <Volans> hi :)
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> double bumb!
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> this translation thing doesn't seem to work fine
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> asac_the_2nd: doesn't seem to crash with it disabled
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> and it crashed before i disabled it
[19:01] <asac_the_bumber> $ firefox /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 12810 Bus error               "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
[19:02] <asac_the_bumber> hola
[19:02] <asac_the_bumber> Hello
[19:02] <asac_the_bumber> bumb
[19:03] <asac_the_2nd> asac_the_bumber, hehe
[19:03] <asac_the_2nd> ok
[19:03] <asac_the_bumber> asac_the_2nd: let me try with intrepid
[19:04] <asac_the_2nd> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=319854
[19:04] <asac_the_2nd> i doubt that thats it. it was before 3.0
[19:06] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: http://rafb.net/p/dK5VeJ48.html <- the diff between 3.0 and 3.0.1, except CVS and sqlite stuff
[19:06] <armin76> asac_the_2nd: meet rbu , gentoo's nm maintainer
[19:07] <armin76> rbu: meet asac_the_2nd, ubuntu's nm maintainer
[19:07] <armin76> i think :P
[19:07] <rbu> hey all
[19:11] <asac_the_intrepi> asac_the_2nd: slacker, looks like on intrepid it doesn't sigbus as well
[19:12] <asac_the_2nd> rbu, hi
[19:13] <asac_the_2nd> nice to meet you ;)
[19:14] <rbu> asac: oh my, how many of you are there?
[19:14] <rbu> asac: so, what's up?
[19:15] <armin76> haha
[19:15] <asac> rbu, just wanted to know about your plans for NM 0.7
[19:15] <armin76> rbu: the others are me :P
[19:16] <rbu> asac: well, if you ask me to speak freely, i'm quite disappointed by NM's release policy
[19:17] <rbu> asac: i have no time to follow SVN status, and see which revision would qualify for what. and there's the KNM issue, it's still quite broken
[19:17] <asac> rbu, we have knetworkmanager in our ~network-manager PPA ... which appear to work well
[19:17] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[19:17] <rbu> asac: so for me this means that i'll only consider including NM 0.7 when (1) it has a proper release with a proper version number and (2) KNM can use it
[19:18] <rbu> PPA ?
[19:18] <rbu> oh, ok
[19:19] <asac> PPA == personal package archive
[19:19] <rbu> well, last time i compiled it (like 2 months ago?) it was broken. since then i have not seen any updates on the KNM mailing list, so i assumed it wa still broken :-)
[19:20] <rbu> asac: how is your experience with the 0.7 branch? and what are your intents?
[19:21] <rbu> am i the only one who thinks some people updating 0.7 SRPMS and not doing any releases is broken by design?
[19:23] <asac> rbu, thats true
[19:23] <asac> rbu, point is that upstream has really low resources (basically just 1 man show)
[19:24] <asac> rbu, i will upload NM 0.7 to intrepid any day soon as we need 3g support
[19:24] <asac> rbu, you could use our snapshots as i try to QA them and fix eventual issues before uploading them
[19:26] <armin76> asac: so is the safebrowsing thing related someway to sqlite?
[19:27] <rbu> asac: well, low resources really is not an excuse. it's not hard to make a tarball, and put a name onto it. and the guys are maintaining the thing in
[19:28] <rbu> their distributions anyway, so they know which bugs are fixed and which combinations of source and patches work ok
[19:28] <asac> rbu, right. did you install fedora recently?
[19:28] <rbu> asac: nope. why are you asking?
[19:28] <rbu> i really only install either gentoo or debian these days
[19:29] <asac> i tested it and NM really sucks. so they are not really having better snapshots then we
[19:29] <asac> do
[19:29] <armin76> lol
[19:29] <asac> armin76, did you try to downgrade to 3.0 in intrepid?
[19:29] <rbu> asac: how does the whole internationalization aspect look for 0.7? i know that you guys give a lot of emphasis to that
[19:30] <asac> rbu, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni
[19:30] <rbu> asac: last time i checked fedora 9 did not even contain the KNM either.. were you able to test it on there?
[19:30] <asac> thats the branch i use to base our packages on. i regularly sync it with upstream, then stabilize things a bit
[19:30] <asac> i never push there until i release to PPA
[19:30] <asac> rbu, no ... didnt test knetworkmanger on fedora. i just saw it working on ubuntu from the PPA
[19:31] <asac> rbu, we dont look at internationalization right now. once nm 0.7 enters the archive our translators will start to fill the missing translations in
[19:31] <rbu> asac: ah, i see.
[19:32] <rbu> asac: so basically you would like to use that ~asac/network-manager/main.eni as a stable branch?
[19:32] <asac> however, the applet wil get a major rework. there will be a 3g wizard landing soon
[19:32] <asac> rbu, stabilized ... not really stable
[19:33] <rbu> asac: speaking of the applet. i was a little sad to see none of the ubuntu work you guys did merged back into the trunk
[19:33] <rbu> i saw that 0.6 applet once and it's so cool
[19:33] <asac> rbu, which parts are you referring to?
[19:33] <rbu> the manual network configuration
[19:33] <asac> rbu, oh. thats not network-manager
[19:33] <asac> thats gnome
[19:33] <asac> gnome network-admin
[19:34] <asac> we will drop it once 0.7 goes online
[19:34] <asac> its a real pain to maintain
[19:34] <rbu> asac: but that was somehow integrated into the nm-applet, no?
[19:34] <armin76> asac: uh...wait a sec
[19:34] <asac> yes. its just a single menu entry
[19:34] <asac> but since its not really existing everywhere you couldnt really put it into main svn
[19:34] <asac> we also have major user confusion due to that feature
[19:35] <asac> once you confiugre your wireless there it will be blacklisted from NM ... which makes users wonder whats going on
[19:35] <armin76> asac: user_pref("browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled", false) <- i've removed this pref i added with safebrowsing.enabled, and now it sigbused
[19:35] <asac> armin76, ok. so it was always broken :/
[19:36] <rbu> asac: so what are your plans with that bzr archive? you are quite close to trunk right now, and you want to stabilize it for the 8.10 release?
[19:36] <rbu> and after that, it would only get bugfixes?
[19:37] <asac> rbu, we will track upstream as long as possible during 8.10 development cycle
[19:37] <rbu> asac: but after that freeze
[19:37] <rbu> will you create a new branch and do the same for 9.04 again?
[19:37] <asac> when it becomes obvious that upstream wont make a final or beta 0.7 in time we will start to freeze
[19:37] <asac> rbu, most likely that branch will continue to be synched
[19:38] <armin76> asac: how do i downgrade to 3.0 on intrepid? :P
[19:38] <asac> i will branch a stable branch for 8.10 when we freeze
[19:38] <rbu> ahh, ok
[19:38] <asac> s/most likely//
[19:38] <asac> armin76, let me see
[19:40] <asac> armin76, apt-get install firefox=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-gnome-support=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-3.0=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 firefox-3.0-gnome-support=3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 xulrunner-1.9-dev=1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[19:40] <asac> remove gnome-support bits if you dont have that
[19:41] <armin76> yuck
[19:41] <rbu> asac: ok, here's the deal: i would like to see a working NM in gentoo testing rather sooner than later, but only if it does not contain huge feature regressions
[19:42] <rbu> asac: i'd be happy if we could join forces as far as stabling / testing on a branch go
[19:42] <rbu> there's only one problem: i don't have bzr installed :-P
[19:43] <asac> rbu, gentoo has bzr?
[19:43] <asac> or not at all?
[19:43] <rbu> asac: yeah, we have that thing
[19:43] <asac> would it a problem to emerge that?
[19:44] <asac> the command lines are really straight forward, so nothing really to learn for users that have used svn or cvs
[19:44] <rbu> no, it wouldn't. that statement was more like: "ubuntu are the only people using that thing.. so we can't cooperate"
[19:45] <asac> rbu, its now a main thing for savannah
[19:45] <rbu> asac: i think our infra team is more on the git side... but i guess it doesn't matter in the end
[19:45] <armin76> E: Version '3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2' for 'firefox-3.0' was not found
[19:45] <armin76> same for firefox
[19:45] <asac> rbu, do you need auto synchs?
[19:46] <asac> sorry for my ignorance how gentoo maintains their packages
[19:46] <asac> armin76, too bad. you can grab the debs from launchpad directly
[19:46] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633450
[19:46] <rbu> asac: not a problem.. i don't know details of your stuff either :-)
[19:47] <asac> or amd: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633448
[19:47] <asac> rbu, if you just need tarballs exported i dont see that its a big problem
[19:47] <rbu> asac: i don't have a clear idea of what auto-sync would be... can you give me some more detail?
[19:47] <asac> auto-sync means that the sources you provide to users are automatically updated from upstream
[19:47] <asac> i doubt that you do that
[19:48] <asac> how do you release things?
[19:48] <asac> tarball?
[19:48] <asac> and packaging data in CVS?
[19:49] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633410
[19:49] <asac> stupid me-
[19:49] <asac> you want sparc ;)
[19:49] <asac> my brains memory is really volatile
[19:49] <asac> ok sparc firefox: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/3.0+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633414
[19:50] <asac> and xul: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9/1.9+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+build/633454
[19:50] <asac> armin76, ^^
[19:50] <asac> rbu, are you german?
[19:51] <armin76> yup
[19:53] <armin76> asac: yes, we can provide users the files directly from upstream if those are repos
[19:53] <armin76> svn, cvs, git, i think bzr as well
[19:53] <asac> armin76, ugh. so you say: emerge NM0.7 and you would get the bzr branch we have + the packaging?
[19:53] <asac> or do you checkout by tag?
[19:54] <armin76> you can checkout by tag, yes
[19:54] <asac> armin76, not bad. and the packaging?
[19:54] <rbu> sorry, i was in another shell for a moment
[19:54] <armin76> or you could do an snapshot, obviously
[19:54] <asac> no prob
[19:54] <rbu> armin76: we CAN provide svn directly, but i would opt not to
[19:54] <armin76> bumb!
[19:54] <asac> armin76, but for the "stable" rolling head you always use tarballs?
[19:55] <rbu> asac: so the way it would work is i make a tarball, and push that to users with a cvs commit to our tree
[19:55] <asac> rbu, right. thats simple
[19:55] <rbu> asac: live sources should always be "disabled" by default
[19:55]  * armin76 nods
[19:55] <rbu> asac: yeah, i'm in berlin
[19:56] <asac> ok. so you provide a tarball and in addition provide arbitrary VCS references so users can use "live-sources"
[19:56] <asac> rbu, does the version need to be encoded in the tarball?
[19:56] <rbu> asac: it should be, yes
[19:57] <asac> how would a snapshot tarball be encoded, like: network-manager-0.7+svn7777.tar.gz?
[19:57] <armin76> asac: and he's german
[19:57] <asac> rbu, it should or it has to be
[19:57] <asac> rbu, wilkommen ;) ... berliner ... ick bin ein hamburger ;)
[19:57] <rbu> asac: users installing their own current checkout of the snapshot is not something i support (as in: put energy into)
[19:58] <rbu> asac: should=QA says it must, but some people commit otherwise in disregard of policy. there's no technical means to enforce it
[19:58] <asac> rbu, ok. so its not a technical requirement to match the version (as we have in ubuntu=)
[19:59] <rbu> asac: nope. as for version names, it's rather a matter of taste, but networkmanager-0.7_p20080728.tar.gz  is what i would like best :-P
[20:00] <armin76> is 0.7 released?
[20:00] <rbu> _pre
[20:00] <rbu> instead of _p
[20:00] <armin76> ah :)
[20:00] <armin76> fail
[20:00] <rbu> armin76: nitpick
[20:00] <armin76> :D
[20:00] <rbu> asac: juten tach na' hamburch!
[20:00] <armin76> asac: 3.0 doesn't seem to sigbus with malware or safeb enabled
[20:01] <asac> rbu, hehe
[20:01] <asac> like we would talk that way there ;)
[20:01] <asac> bzr export --format=tgz --root=network-manager/ /tmp/network-manager-0.7-bzrshot.tar.gz https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni/
[20:01] <asac> if you want to export
[20:02] <asac> armin76, thats strange strange
[20:02] <asac> armin76, so does libxul.so link against system sqlite? can you check with ldd?
[20:03] <rbu> asac: i guess i'll just have a look at how bzr works, and how the code you have there looks.. and then i'll come back with comments and maybe additional wishes
[20:03] <armin76> asac: oops, it sigbused
[20:03] <asac> rbu, right. let me know
[20:03] <rbu> asac: one thing though... what about the vpn plugins?
[20:03] <asac> rbu, i am this week in canada on mozilla summit. so sorry if not responsive from time to time
[20:03] <rbu> they are all in the bzr, do you package them?
[20:03] <asac> rbu, upstream fixed pptp and vpnc should work now
[20:03] <asac> we didnt do any packages, but thats the next i am doing
[20:04] <rbu> ok, cool
[20:04] <asac> i think i have to bump the bzr tree one more time
[20:04] <asac> to get all the latest pptp fixes
[20:04] <fta> Segmentation fault
[20:04] <asac> Sigbus
[20:05] <asac> fta, what segfaults for you now? you probably are not on sparc ;)
[20:05] <fta> the crash /w flash are back :(
[20:05] <fta> es
[20:05] <asac> fta, right. i have the fix in my ppa ;)
[20:05] <asac> we use nspluginwrapper everywere now
[20:06] <asac> so just install nspluginwrapper from my ppa and then --reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[20:06] <asac> that should do the trick
[20:07] <fta> nspluginwrapper is sucking my cpu on my laptop/amd64
[20:07] <asac> fta, that just means that flash is sucking it
[20:07] <asac> its just that npviewer is the process where flash goes mad
[20:08] <asac> fta, I'd suggest flashblock extensions
[20:11] <fta> no, open fresh ff (no session), visit a page with flash, close the tab, nspluginwrapper remains forever at ~50% cpu
[20:22] <armin76> asac: 3.0 doesn't sigbus with safebrowsing.malware disabled
[20:23] <asac> fta, ok. thats the issue that causes crashes in non-nspluginwarpper case most likely
[20:24] <asac> libflashsupport deadlocks so the flash doesnt shut down
[20:24] <asac> even though the window was destructed
[20:25] <asac> ok ... i am going down to smoke a cigarette. bbiw
[20:35] <armin76> asac: hrm...meh, not sure why it sigbuses...fyi disabling malware stuff is a workaround, but now i compiled 3.0 using system sqlite-3.5.6 and sigbused as well...
[20:35] <armin76> i'm trying with included sqlite, we'll see
[21:27] <asac> armin76, i think its not sqlite, but the classifier code itself
[21:38] <asac> armin76, didnt we have sigbusses in reinterpret casts on sparc at some point?
[21:38] <asac> or was it compiler warning/errors?
[21:40]  * asac signing: "when will my system come back up again ... oh when, oh when, oh when" :(
[21:41] <asac> s/signing/singing/
[21:47] <asac> @time Berlin
[21:53] <armin76> asac: the latter
[21:54] <armin76> thats interesting..
[21:55] <armin76> 3.0 sigbuses as well no matter what i do
[21:55] <armin76> well, it doesn't if i disable the safebrowsing stuff
[21:56] <asac> yeah. the code is just broken
[21:56] <armin76> why? :)
[21:57] <asac> armin76, what address does str.BeginReading() point to?
[21:57] <armin76> uh, and how should i know that? :
[21:57] <asac> armin76, go for debugger
[21:57] <asac> with -O0 -g
[21:57] <asac> ?
[21:58] <armin76> okay, rebuilding
[21:59] <asac> armin76, damn i hate xchat ... just wiped this channels backlog :(
[21:59] <asac> anyway. start=9
[21:59] <asac> that lookd unaligned
[21:59] <asac> so str.BeginReading() probably points to unaligned thing
[22:00] <asac> maybe you need to manually assemble the 32bit int there?
[22:01] <fta> fta@ix:~ $ firefox
[22:01] <fta> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[22:01] <fta> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[22:01] <fta> damn
[22:01] <asac> at least it uses alsa now
[22:01] <fta> but my whole system is supposed to use p-a
[22:01] <fta> so no sound in ff3 :(
[22:01] <asac> fta, flash is supposed to use alsa with pulse plugin
[22:02] <asac> most likely your alsa doest have pulse plugin properly setup
[22:02] <asac> flash 10 can do that now. so it should work :/
[22:02] <fta> it used to work.. something changed in the last 3-4 weeks
[22:02] <asac> kernel?
[22:02] <asac> my sound is completely broken in 2.6.26
[22:03] <asac> i only have sound when booting into 2.6.24
[22:03] <crimsun> bug report?
[22:03] <fta> i just had to blacklist snd_pcsp
[22:03] <crimsun> luke is working on a pulseaudio patch for the snd-pcsp issue
[22:03] <asac> crimsun, if its not known ill file one once getting back home
[22:04] <asac> crimsun, that sounds like it
[22:04] <asac> sound works somewhat when directly going through alsa
[22:04] <asac> but not through pulse (only the beeper makes some noise)
[22:04] <crimsun> it's pretty trivial; just ignore the pc speaker as a sink/source when parsing hal info
[22:05] <asac> crimsun, would that make the behaviour like above (e.g. only beeps, but no speakers)?
[22:05] <crimsun> correct.
[22:05] <asac> good. then my issue is covered
[22:05] <asac> crimsun, do you know if we properly setup the pulse plugin for alsa now by default?
[22:05] <asac> (for flash 10)
[22:05] <fta> ff3 is fighting with mplayer for the sound :(
[22:05] <fta> bad
[22:07] <crimsun> asac: if luke or another core-dev hasn't merged my alsa-lib branch, then, no...
[22:07] <crimsun> meaning "no, I don't know, but if my branch hasn't been merged, then it is not properly configured"
[22:07] <asac> crimsun, where is that branch?
[22:08] <asac> i think that luke doesnt even know that there is an issue
[22:08] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new ?
[22:09] <asac> crimsun, i assume that the ~ubuntu-core-dev branch is what is currently released, right?
[22:09] <asac> so its basically just pushing your branch to -core-dev and uploading?
[22:10] <asac> if thats the case ill take care for that
[22:10] <asac> btw, why is it called "ubuntu.new"?
[22:10] <crimsun> asac: that's my branch; I haven't inspected ~ubuntu-core-dev lately to check for additional necessary merges
[22:10] <asac> fta, can you try crimsun's alsa-lib branch?
[22:11] <asac> crimsun, i think rev 8 matches (at least from the commit log)
[22:11] <asac> so its just your revision 9
[22:11] <crimsun> asac: it's called that due to /ubuntu being a "misbranch"
[22:11] <asac> he?
[22:11] <asac> fta, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~crimsun/alsa-lib/ubuntu.new
[22:11] <crimsun> I believe back when I created /ubuntu, I attempted to dump the entire source tree + /debian into it
[22:12] <asac> fta, i think that should fix it for you
[22:12] <crimsun> I'm not entirely clear if, during that branch creation, my connection died, and as a result, the branch was messed up
[22:12] <asac> crimsun, ok
[22:13] <asac> crimsun, you could do bzr push --overwrite
[22:13] <asac> anyway not really important ;)
[22:13] <crimsun> last I tried that, it failed horribly
[22:14] <asac> crimsun, ok. lets keep it that way then ;)
[22:15] <asac> crimsun, weren't you core-dev once?
[22:15] <crimsun> yes, I stepped down.
[22:16] <asac> ok
[22:16] <asac> "expired" according to +members
[22:17] <asac> @time sydney
[22:17] <asac> ok i ll talk to luke in an hour or so
[22:18] <fta> grr, why do i have to install libc6-dev-amd64 in order to build alsa-lib on i386
[22:18] <crimsun> because it's multilib.
[22:18] <crimsun> think 32-bit
[22:18] <fta> yeah, i can see that
[22:18] <fta> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libc6-dev-amd64 gcc-multilib
[22:19] <asac> @time vancouver
[22:33] <asac> armin76, so try to push the value to aligned mem before casting to int32?
[22:33]  * asac feels unknowning
[22:35] <asac> armin76, you think you can do that?
[22:48] <asac> armin76, try http://paste.ubuntu.com/31475/
[22:48] <asac> or fix eventual compiler issues
[22:49] <asac> fta, did the branch help?
[22:49] <asac> @time berlin
[22:50] <asac> armin76, if it works, let me know so we can include and upstream it.
[22:54]  * asac goes down to smoke more
[22:59] <fta> asac, yep, better.
[22:59] <asac> fta, good crack ;)
[23:00] <asac> ill push that after checking back with themuso
[23:22] <armin76> asac: k, ill try tomorrow, bed now
[23:23] <asac> armin76, bah, sleep is for the weak ;)
[23:23] <asac> sleep well
[23:23] <asac> armin76, maybe start the build now ;)


[12:46] <Ubulette> asac, nss is okay now. pushed
[12:53] <asac> wow
[12:54] <asac> Ubulette: maybe you can try to build ffox 2.0 against our new nspr/nss ?
[12:54] <asac> unless of course you want to go for xulrunner without knowing that these things work at all :)
[12:54] <asac> Ubulette: i will review those packages tomorrow
[12:55] <asac> Ubulette: btw, I forgot something right?
[12:55] <Ubulette> ?
[12:55] <asac> I ask you ;)
[12:55] <asac> did you ask me to push new paradiso?
[12:56] <Ubulette> the java fix would be nice to have for users.. yep I've provided debs to those who asked me
[12:56] <Ubulette> yet
[12:56] <asac> ok ... so we want an upload
[12:56] <Ubulette> i named my stuff so that gutsy takes over automatically
[12:57] <asac> ok great.
[12:57] <asac> just appending ~ubulette1 to the debian revision is probably good :)
[12:58] <Ubulette> after for ff2 with my nss/nspr, should be straight forward as I haven't changed pkg names or bumper .so (yet)
[12:58] <Ubulette> s/after/as/
[12:58] <asac> yeah ... thats good.
[12:58] <asac> (to test :))
[12:59] <Ubulette> bumper, lol, I should read what I type
[12:59] <asac> welll i understood ... and my irglish is probably even worse ;)
[12:59] <Ubulette> :)
[01:03] <Ubulette> if you could also merge my gp/trunk stuff into the mt trees, that would be nice too. If you're happy with my stuff of course
[01:04] <Ubulette> don't merge nss/nspr just yet
[01:07] <asac> this wpasupplicant version we have is pretty buggy ... it sometimes appears to send trashed mem to nm
[01:07] <asac> i still wonder why someone upgraded to 0.6.0 ... which is a development release ... instead of 0.5.8
[01:07] <asac> and yes ... let me look at gp now
[01:10] <asac> hmm ... bazaar.lp appears to drop packages atm
[01:11] <Ubulette> i'm unpacking a fresh chroot for that ff2 test. Let's not mix things up
[01:11] <Ubulette> drop packages ?
[01:11] <asac> yes ... better safe than sorry ;)
[01:11] <Ubulette> 179 new for ff2 builddep... woww
[01:11] <asac> yes it stalls my bzr
[01:12] <asac> hehe
[01:12] <asac> yeah ;)
[01:12] <Ubulette> yet i've seen far bigger packages
[01:12] <asac> Ubulette: https://code.launchpad.net/~fta-launchpad/firefox/granparadiso/ ... is that wrong?
[01:12] <Ubulette> it's a +
[01:12] <Ubulette> fta+
[01:12] <asac> ah
[01:13] <Ubulette> i'd like to shorten that but noone did it
[01:13] <Ubulette> i have a pending question on lp
[01:13] <asac> does bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~fta+launchpad/firefox/granparadiso/
[01:13] <asac> work for you atm?
[01:14] <asac> i just don't get anything
[01:14] <asac> it just blocks
[01:16] <asac> asac@hector:~/ubuntu_bzr/firefox-granparadiso$ bzr pull https://code.launchpad.net/~fta+launchpad/firefox/granparadiso/
[01:16] <asac> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: curl connection error (couldn't connect to host)
[01:16] <asac> i think i won'*t be able to do that just now ;)
[01:17] <Ubulette> worked for me
[01:17] <asac> right now?
[01:17] <Ubulette> tried bzr co https://code.launchpad.net/~fta+launchpad/firefox/granparadiso in a trash
[01:17] <asac> crazy
[01:18] <asac> ok branching works again :)
[01:18] <asac> now hope that pull works as well at some point;)
[01:19] <asac>  \o/
[01:25] <asac> done
[01:28] <Ubulette> thx
[01:28] <Ubulette> ff2 compiling...
[01:28] <asac> btw, preview works like a charm
[01:28] <asac> (print)
[01:29] <Ubulette> at least, configure is happy
[01:29] <Ubulette> oh
[01:29] <asac> all gutsy here
[01:29] <asac> on i386
[01:29] <asac> what graphics driver?
[01:29] <asac> do you use compiz?
[01:29] <Ubulette> nvidia
[01:29] <Ubulette> no compiz
[01:29] <Ubulette> non free
[01:29] <asac> i have fglrx here
[01:30] <Ubulette> only thing non free that I tolerate
[01:30] <asac> but i can bring up my nvidia box tomorrow
[01:30] <asac> though it needs legacy nonfree drivers
[01:30] <asac> because its old
[01:30] <asac> geforce 3 ti200
[01:30] <asac> or something like that
[01:30] <Ubulette> gs7600 here
[01:31] <asac> maybe some X setting?
[01:31] <Ubulette> dont know. everything else is ok
[01:32] <asac> i already hate trackerd
[01:32] <asac> i got that with the upgrade today
[01:32] <asac> and its rumbling since 5 hours or so
[01:33] <Ubulette> FF2 preview is fine
[01:33] <asac> whatever frontend might exist for that (no clue) ... it must be tremendous to justify this pain
[01:33] <asac> cool thing is that because we changed app-name we can now run ffox and paradiso at the same time
[01:33] <asac> nice
[01:34] <Ubulette> I've removed trackerd.. it sucked my cpu all the time and I keep hearing it cratching my disks
[01:34] <asac> do you miss the borders as well of location bar drop down?
[01:34] <asac> Ubulette: yes ... i hope it does this only once
[01:35] <asac> and then only incremental indexing
[01:35] <Ubulette> I let it run for a week
[01:35] <asac> without reboot?
[01:35] <Ubulette> yes
[01:35] <asac> and it still indexed?
[01:36] <Ubulette> and I have ~4 millions files
[01:36] <asac> from what i read in manpage it just indexes home
[01:36] <Ubulette> it sucked >1G for the indexes
[01:37] <asac> i think developers need to exclude the source code trees
[01:37] <asac> but then ... would be nice to search for functions and symbols :)
[01:38] <Ubulette> in home, I only my own sources, not sources for stuff I compile or package
[01:38] <asac> do you have any idea which frontend to use to search these indexes?
[01:38] <Ubulette> there's one in the menu
[01:38] <asac> i looked if there is a gnome panel applet or something else (similar to desktop search)
[01:38] <Ubulette> and there's nautilus
[01:39] <asac> ah ok
[01:39] <asac> so seach for files
[01:39] <asac> ... ok
[01:39] <Ubulette> nautilus or applications / accessories / tracker search tool
[01:40] <Ubulette> oh, it indexed my pdf too
[01:41] <asac> there should be at least a gnome panel applet imo ... i mean it consumes loads of resources and should be added to a prominent place ... otherwise its wasted
[01:41] <Ubulette> i agree
[01:42] <Ubulette> gasp, starting the ui restarted trackerd
[01:42] <asac> hehe
[01:43] <Ubulette> boom, my 2nd cpu is over the roof
[01:43] <Ubulette> 1st is on ff2 :)
[01:45] <asac> its not that bad ... at least it finds symbols in mozilla source pretty fast
[01:45] <asac> if it would ever stop to index then i would be happy to try this ;)
[01:45] <Ubulette> :)
[01:46] <asac> unfortunately the GUI is probably written python or something
[01:46] <Ubulette> oh, System / preferences / indexing preferences
[01:46] <asac> so i won't be willing to add features like improved code browsing :)
[01:47] <Ubulette> you don't like python ?
[01:47] <asac> well ... its not that i don't like python ... but i love headers :)
[01:47] <asac> and compile time checks
[01:48] <asac> and python code is often written in a fashion I don't like too (from OO perspective)
[01:48] <asac> i tried to implement things in python ... its almost the first language that constantly fails go pop up a decent API documentation in google
[01:49] <asac> i have no idea how the python community codes ... but for me it appears as if they don't use documentation :)
[01:49] <Ubulette> seems to me it's impossible to do python without docs
[01:50] <Ubulette> yet I do perl and C without anything
[01:50] <asac> well ... try to search in google ... type in the module name or something
[01:50] <asac> Ubulette: yes in C you have headers
[01:50] <asac> if you search for the module name the first results are always mailing list posts
[01:51] <asac> like "mod_python api"
[01:51] <asac> you won't find the real api documentation on the first page
[01:52] <Ubulette> do you use http://www.google.com/codesearch ?
[01:53] <asac> no i only use google ;)
[01:53] <asac> it works for every other language i used :)
[01:53] <asac> but python appears to be special :) ... so currently python is for me a battlefield of hackish people that just hack away without designing contracts et al :) (of course exaggerated)
[01:54] <Ubulette> yet python author now works for google
[01:55] <asac> yeah
[01:55] <Ubulette> he's now designing python 3000
[01:55] <asac> maybe thats the reason :)
[01:55] <asac> please give me types ;)
[01:56] <Ubulette> don't think he is
[01:56] <asac> sure ... would be a breach of fundamental concepts
[01:57] <Ubulette> give me ";", I hate forced indentations
[01:57] <Ubulette> and { }
[01:58] <asac> and i accept that ... but writing and long-term maintenance of large software products is just nothing for languages like python imo :) ... unless you are a masochist
[01:58] <Ubulette> lol
[01:58] <Ubulette> most of ubuntu stuff is in python, no ?
[01:58] <asac> writing from scratch might really work out well .. but maintenence ... i doubt
[01:59] <asac> yeah
[01:59] <asac> but most things are not huge software products
[01:59] <asac> but take a look at bughelper
[01:59] <asac> that is already a unberable
[01:59] <asac> its just about 10 python files ... but still its laden with implicity like hell
[01:59] <asac> everything is done in constructors et al
[02:00] <asac> (damn its late ... i will get nightmares because of this)
[02:00] <Ubulette> :)
[02:00] <asac> and what people come up with, why they like python is usually: its cool because you don't have to care for pointers :)
[02:01] <Ubulette> I like pointers
[02:01] <asac> which says all ... stay away from there because there are too many people fiddling in python code that you will always end up bumping in code that is just too insane to believe
[02:01] <asac> well if people fear pointers they should stop programming imo
[02:02] <Ubulette> well, with C, Perl and shell, I have all I want.
[02:02] <asac> yeah ... depends on what you do with perl
[02:02] <Ubulette> I've done tons of stuff
[02:03] <asac> if you start writing application servers with perl you probably suffer from the "one tool to approach them all" symdrom :)
[02:04] <Ubulette> maybe
[02:04] <Ubulette> could try something with gp/trunk ?
[02:04] <Ubulette> +you
[02:04] <asac> i have no idea if i have everything i want ... but i know that i don't want a scripting language which claims to be designed for huge software architectures ;)
[02:04] <asac> sure
[02:05] <Ubulette> try to move over the url bar, without clicking
[02:05] <Ubulette> what do you see ?
[02:05] <asac> yeah fonts get ... hmm i don't have the word
[02:05] <asac> they shake
[02:05] <asac> i already saw that
[02:05] <Ubulette> text seems to contract at dots
[02:06] <Ubulette> or at "i" (narrow letters)
[02:06] <asac> hmmm for me it just contracts the first .
[02:06] <asac> thats funny
[02:06] <Ubulette> try different urls
[02:06] <asac> ihave the granparadiso start url
[02:06] <asac> the i in firefox just doesn't move
[02:06] <asac> while the text before and after moves one or two pixels forth and back
[02:07] <Ubulette> I have a localhost url (so no dot), it moves at the 'i' for firefox
[02:07] <Ubulette> well, how to find that in bugzilla...
[02:08] <asac> Ubulette: look for paradiso blocker bugs
[02:08] <Ubulette> and my print preview cpu stuff too..
[02:08] <Ubulette> how?
[02:08] <asac> http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox3/Blockers
[02:09] <asac> beta-blockers ;)
[02:09] <asac> crazy ... all empty
[02:09] <asac> thats strange
[02:09] <Ubulette> Zarro Boogs found.
[02:09] <asac> except Unknown
[02:09] <asac> well look at all unknown 1.9 and firefox 3 blockers
[02:10] <asac> i think they move them to the target when they have decided what should go into beta
[02:10] <Ubulette> ff2 built. cool
[02:11] <asac> sounds promissing
[02:11] <asac> at best develop xulrunner against the not-renamed packages for now
[02:12] <asac> mozilla bug 319196
[02:12] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 319196 in Startup and Profile System "customized toolbar always reset to default on restart, bookmarks and search engines lost, unable to add search engines (localstore.rdf corruption on upgrade or crash).  SEE URL FIELD FOR SUPPORT LINK" [Critical,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319196
[02:13] <asac> mozilla bug 368116
[02:13] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 368116 in GFX: Thebes "Trunk fonts are occasionally rendered off by 1 pixel, making them appear bolded or italicized" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368116
[02:13] <asac> that sounds interesting
[02:13] <asac> ^^^
[02:13] <asac> Ubulette: maybe thats it?
[02:13] <asac> for me it appeared a bit bold while it shifted left
[02:14] <asac> bug 385215
[02:14] <asac> mozilla bug 385215
[02:14] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 385215 in GFX: Thebes "[10.5]  major characters width issues" [Major,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385215
[02:17] <Ubulette> I don't see anything like 368116
[02:17] <asac> mozilla bug 362325
[02:17] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 362325 in GFX: Thebes "[cairo]  printing is 82% slower than pre-Cairo" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362325
[02:17] <asac> Ubulette: does the bug claim that its static?
[02:17] <asac> i mean that the boldness persists?
[02:18] <asac> for me when things move left and right while hovering it appears bold for a few milliseconds
[02:18] <Ubulette> the "..." at the end of long urls is also changing
[02:18] <Ubulette> well, disappearing
[02:20] <asac> welll i really think its the same effect somehow
[02:21] <asac> i can nearly keep it at the "double pixel" rendered state when carefully moving the mouse to the border of the location bar
[02:24] <Ubulette> oh, forgot to say, we can drop -gnome-support in gp and trunk, deb is empty
[02:25] <asac> huh?
[02:25] <asac> are gnome depends in main package?
[02:25] <asac> (would be a bug)
[02:26] <asac> yeah they are
[02:26] <asac> we should fix that
[02:29] <asac> all *gnome* components should go to -gnome-support
[02:29] <Ubulette> hmm, install was fine (new ff2 compiled with my nss/nspr, and new nss/nspr installed)
[02:29] <Ubulette> but run is not fine
[02:29] <Ubulette> I get a popup
[02:29] <asac> what kind?
[02:29] <asac> ./components/libmozgnome.so
[02:29] <asac> ./components/libnkgnomevfs.so
[02:29] <Ubulette> could not initialize the browser's security component
[02:30] <Ubulette> no name
[02:30] <asac> oh
[02:30] <Ubulette> well, after that it's okay. no log though
[02:30] <asac> where does the link in /usr/lib/firefox/ point to?
[02:31] <asac> (not log) ?
[02:31] <Ubulette> it's not a link
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 Aug 13 08:20 libnspr4.so -> ../libnspr4.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     16 Aug 13 08:20 libnss3.so -> ../libnss3.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     20 Aug 13 08:20 libnssckbi.so -> ../nss/libnssckbi.so
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     16 Aug 13 08:20 libplc4.so -> ../libplc4.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     17 Aug 13 08:20 libplds4.so -> ../libplds4.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     18 Aug 13 08:20 libsmime3.so -> ../libsmime3.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     20 Aug 13 08:20 libsoftokn3.so -> ../libsoftokn3.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root     16 Aug 13 08:20 libssl3.so -> ../libssl3.so.0d
[02:32] <asac> those should be in /usr/lib/firefox/
[02:32] <asac> do they all point to a proper file?
[02:33] <asac> actually ... all these are compatibility links
[02:33] <asac> the only essential is libnssckbi.so -> ../nss/libnssckbi.so
[02:33] <asac> iirc
[02:33] <Ubulette> l /usr/lib/firefox/libns*
[02:33] <Ubulette> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-08-18 02:26 /usr/lib/firefox/libnspr4.so -> ../libnspr4.so.0d
[02:33] <Ubulette> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2007-08-18 02:26 /usr/lib/firefox/libnss3.so -> ../libnss3.so.0d
[02:33] <Ubulette> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-08-18 02:26 /usr/lib/firefox/libnssckbi.so -> ../nss/libnssckbi.so
[02:34] <asac> and the oders?
[02:34] <asac> others?
[02:34] <Ubulette> $ find /usr/lib/nss -ls
[02:34] <Ubulette> 6441296    4 drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         4096 Aug 18 02:25 /usr/lib/nss
[02:34] <Ubulette> 1376261  256 -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       256976 Aug 18 00:43 /usr/lib/nss/libfreebl3.so
[02:34] <Ubulette> 1376262  296 -rw-r--r--   1 root     root       298872 Aug 18 00:43 /usr/lib/nss/libnssckbi.so
[02:34] <Ubulette> 1376263    4 -rw-r--r--   1 root     root          476 Aug 18 00:43 /usr/lib/nss/libfreebl3.chk
[02:34] <asac> does any of the link point into nirvana?
[02:34] <asac> k
[02:35] <asac> well strace -f might help then
[02:35] <asac> otherwise a debug build
[02:35] <asac> should spit out assertions (hopefully)
[02:35] <Ubulette> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/185859
[02:37] <Ubulette> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Could_not_initialize_the_browser_security_component
[02:38] <Ubulette> no ssl I guess
[02:39] <Ubulette> yep, cant go to lp
[02:41] <Ubulette> SSL has been disabled.
[02:41] <Ubulette> damn
[02:42] <asac> hmmm .. thats strange ... either its the patch you modified ... or something else ;)
[02:43] <Ubulette> yet firefox-bin loaded /usr/lib/libssl3.so.0d
[02:43] <asac> if you just upgrade the nss/nspr binaries and using the old firefox does it work?
[02:43] <asac> yes ... there are plenty of components that could lead to this
[02:44] <Ubulette> trying... I keep my nss/nspr and apt-get install --reinstall ff2
[02:45] <asac> yes
[02:45] <Ubulette> nope, same thing
[02:45] <asac> ok
[02:45] <asac> try
[02:45] <asac> NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5 firefox
[02:46] <asac> and see if you get any output
[02:47] <asac> you can also set NSPR_LOG_FILE=/tmp/log
[02:47] <asac> or something
[02:48] <asac> have you tried with an existing or clean profile?
[02:51] <Ubulette> nothing interesting with NSPR_LOG_MODULES=all:5
[02:53] <Ubulette> lol
[02:53] <Ubulette> -1222121792[805d548] :   GET<EMAIL_ADDRESS>HTTP/1.1
[02:53] <Ubulette> thought it was disabled
[02:55] <asac> no thats the extension auto-update
[02:55] <Ubulette> oh, it's an addons
[02:55] <asac> which is enabled
[02:55] <asac> we only disable app update
[02:55] <asac> right
[02:56] <asac> packaged extensions disable auto update in a different way
[02:56] <asac> e.g. by a flag in install.rdf
[02:56] <asac> though i think mozilla could as well check if it has write permissions and don't ask for updates if it doesn't have them to the location the extension is installe
[02:56] <asac> d
[02:57] <asac> but install.rdf flag is important ... because users will otherwise run as root and trash their packaged extensions :)
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] : nsHttpConnection::OnSocketWritable [this=b6502d48]
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] :   writing transaction request stream
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] : nsSocketOutputStream::Write [this=b6503df8 count=691]
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] :   calling PR_Write [count=691]
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] :   PR_Write returned [n=-1]
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] : ErrorAccordingToNSPR [in=-12268 out=80004005]
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] : nsSocketTransport::OnMsgOutputClosed [this=b6503cf8 reason=80004005]
[02:57] <Ubulette> -1225819248[812ceb0] :   ReadSegments returned [rv=0 read=0 sock-cond=80004005]
[02:57] <Ubulette> but that happens after the popup
[02:58] <asac> hmm
[02:58] <asac> welll ... either we need a debug build then or directly try to build paradiso against this
[02:58] <Ubulette> no problem from missing or misplaced files at all
[02:59] <asac> but i have the feeling that paradiso will have the same isseus
[02:59] <asac> Ubulette: please remove the .chk files manually
[02:59] <asac> and see if that helps
[02:59] <asac> e.g. just remove them from your installed binaries ;)
[03:00] <asac> rm /usr/lib/nss/*.chk /usr/lib/firefox/*.chk
[03:03] <Ubulette> 80004005 = NS_ERROR_FAILURE
[03:04] <asac> that kills everything?
[03:04] <Ubulette> which means nothing as it's the default error message
[03:04] <Ubulette> nono, i was reading the code
[03:04] <asac> ah
[03:04] <asac> have you tried removing the sign files?
[03:05] <Ubulette> no chk in /usr/lib/firefox/
[03:05] <asac> yes ... i expected that
[03:05] <asac> but in nss
[03:05] <Ubulette> one
[03:05] <asac> (just wasn't sure)
[03:05] <asac> one?
[03:05] <asac> thats strange
[03:05] <asac> there should be two
[03:05] <asac> at least from the error we had
[03:05] <asac> it signed two files and the second failed iirc
[03:05] <asac> anyway ... remove that
[03:06] <Ubulette> ./debian/libnss3-0d/usr/lib/nss/libfreebl3.chk
[03:06] <Ubulette> ./debian/libnss3-0d/usr/lib/libsoftokn3.0d.chk
[03:06] <asac> oh right
[03:06] <asac> yes
[03:06] <asac> remove them both
[03:07] <Ubulette> no change
[03:07] <asac> cool i think trackerd has finished :)
[03:08] <asac> silence in my room :)
[03:09] <asac> Ubulette: how does a debdiff look like?
[03:09] <asac> e.g. new libnss*deb vs. old libnss*deb ?
[03:12] <asac> i think i will go to bed now ... will branch your nss/nspr branches and see if i can find anything obvious
[03:12] <Ubulette> $ debdiff /var/cache/apt/archives/libnss3-0d_3.11.5-3_i386.deb /chroots/gutsy-i386-20070812-1-firefox2/src/libnss3-0d_3.12.0~alpha1b-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:12] <Ubulette> File lists identical (after any substitutions)
[03:12] <Ubulette> Control files: lines which differ (wdiff format)
[03:12] <Ubulette> ------------------------------------------------
[03:12] <Ubulette> Depends: libc6 (>= [-2.5-5),-]  {+2.6-1),+} libnspr4-0d (>= [-<IP_ADDRESS>)-]  {+<IP_ADDRESS>), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.4.1)+}
[03:12] <Ubulette> Installed-Size: [-1648-]  {+2688+}
[03:12] <Ubulette> Maintainer: [-Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:12] <Ubulette> [-Original-Maintainer:-]  Maintainers of Mozilla-related packages<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:13] <Ubulette> Source: [-nss-]  {+nss-trunk+}
[03:13] <Ubulette> Version: [-3.11.5-3-]  {+3.12.0~alpha1b-0ubuntu1+}
[03:13] <asac> otherwise we should just try to build paradiso i think
[03:14] <asac> that looks (suspicious) good :)
[03:15] <asac> why does nss use libsqlite?
[03:15] <Ubulette> no idea
[03:15] <asac> thats strange ... are there cvs checkout targets in rules? or how do i get the orig?
[03:16] <Ubulette> oh, maybe nspr was compiled with the wrong nss
[03:16] <Ubulette> debdiff /var/cache/apt/archives/libnspr4-0d_4.6.6-3_i386.deb  /chroots/gutsy-i386-20070812-1-firefox2/src/libnspr4-0d_4.7.0~cvs20070713-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[03:16] <Ubulette> File lists identical (after any substitutions)
[03:16] <Ubulette> Control files: lines which differ (wdiff format)
[03:16] <Ubulette> ------------------------------------------------
[03:16] <Ubulette> Depends: libc6 (>= [-2.5-5)-]  {+2.6-1)+}
[03:16] <Ubulette> Installed-Size: [-300-]  {+304+}
[03:16] <Ubulette> Maintainer: [-Ubuntu Core Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:16] <Ubulette> [-Original-Maintainer:-]  Maintainers of Mozilla-related packages<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:16] <Ubulette> Source: [-nspr-]  {+nspr-trunk+}
[03:17] <Ubulette> Version: [-4.6.6-3-]  {+4.7.0~cvs20070713-0ubuntu1+}
[03:17] <asac> Ubulette: no
[03:17] <Ubulette> hm, no, that's the other way around
[03:17] <asac> nspr doesn't depend on nss
[03:17] <asac> but in the end it shouldn't really matter
[03:18] <asac> upstream claims that they haven't broken ABI for 5 years or so
[03:18] <asac> (which is not exactly true) ... but thats there policy
[03:18] <asac> nss devs even force firefox to switch nss branches for a stable firefox branch because they are not willing to maintain multiple branches
[03:19] <Ubulette> maybe Ive missed a (new) file
[03:19] <asac> that might be the case
[03:19] <asac> however ... nss and nspr should be really stable
[03:20] <asac> and i think that nss and nspr packages don't pick files ... do they?
[03:20] <asac> oh
[03:20] <asac> they really pick them
[03:20] <Ubulette> yet, there are plenty of warning during compilation, unused variables and trivial things like that
[03:20] <asac> compare the list of debian/... result with what is in packag ehten
[03:20] <asac> yeah ... but thats normal
[03:21] <Ubulette> if it was that stable, that should have been fixed long ago, it's just dirty
[03:21] <asac> they are probably just not used because of arch dependent preprocessor sections or something like that
[03:25] <Ubulette> btw, I now rsync my sources there:  http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/
[03:25] <Ubulette> in case you need them
[03:26] <asac> its definitly stable from an abi perspective ... e.g. you could just drop in 1.8 nss libs in a firefox 1.0 (gecko 1.7) tree ... last time all this came up on security list they even claimed that you can drop them in 1.5 gecko or even older ones ;)
[03:27] <asac> yes thanks... will pick them tomorrow
[03:27] <asac> added to my tomboy notes ;)
[03:32] <Ubulette> nspr seems to match its debian/tmp
[03:36] <Ubulette> nss too
[03:37] <Ubulette> well, give it a try tomorrow if you can.
[03:37] <Jazzva> Evening :)...
[03:38] <Ubulette> Jazzva, how were the beers ?
[03:38] <Ubulette> and the girls ?
[03:38] <Jazzva> Lol
[03:38] <Jazzva> Beers - fine... (I'm not a big fan)
[03:38] <Jazzva> Girls... naah. I'm in a relationship already :).
[03:38] <Jazzva> It was good...
[03:39] <Ubulette> yea me too but good company is always nice
[03:39] <Jazzva> That's what friends are for ;).
[03:39] <Jazzva> How are the things going in here?
[03:39] <Ubulette> fine
[03:40] <Ubulette> but my nss is not working so well
[03:40] <Jazzva> Oh... any progress?
[03:40] <Jazzva> BTW, asac, have you took a look at other possible license issues?
[03:40] <Ubulette> i'm done with all the packaging but one has a problem somewhere
[03:40] <Jazzva> (that's if you're online :))
[03:40] <asac> packaged and all ... but not working with ffox 2... which might happen ... but shouldn't
[03:41] <asac> Ubulette: who knows :)
[03:41] <asac> Jazzva: well ... not really :)
[03:42] <Jazzva> asac: Ok :)... I haven't sent that e-mail too...
[03:42] <Jazzva> asac: Probably will now
[03:42] <asac> Jazzva: well we should really fix the build system
[03:42] <Jazzva> asac: Shouldn't we just ask it upstream?
[03:43] <Jazzva> asac: To fix it, and then publish the new version?
[03:43] <Jazzva> asac: Or we are allowed to change code? :)
[03:43] <asac> yes ... lets wait for his answer ... if he fixes it he will probably cooperate on anything else that might pop up
[03:43] <asac> Jazzva: if we are not allowed then its definitly not free :)
[03:44] <Jazzva> ...Umm, her asnwer :).
[03:44] <asac> (i mean the rest)
[03:44] <Jazzva> asac: I meant on "only play with stuff in debian/" policy :)...
[03:44] <Jazzva> Don
[03:44] <Jazzva> Don't change the original tarball, the original source and that stuff....
[03:44] <asac> ah
[03:44] <asac> well
[03:45] <asac> its ok to strip non-free parts
[03:45] <Jazzva> Oh, cool :).
[03:45] <asac> sanitizing tarballs
[03:45] <asac> if they become free that way
[03:45] <asac> its done in multiple places
[03:45] <Jazzva> I've noticed in games :)...
[03:45] <asac> e.g. drop documentation ... artwork ... binaries without source
[03:45] <Jazzva> blablagame and blablagame-data usually...
[03:45] <asac> people put all kind of crap into source tarballs ;)
[03:46] <Jazzva> BTW, I was thinking about something (this is probably unrelated to this)... Is there a video-converter with GUI?
[03:47] <asac> no idea :)
[03:48] <Jazzva> For, let's say... flv to mpeg or whatever :). My sister needs it and I've done the search, but found nothing... So I was thinking of making front-end to some CLI converter (which I found)... but wouldn't do it if there already is one... That's why I asked :)
[03:48] <Jazzva> Ok :)
[03:48] <asac> well ... if there are any, my guess is that they suck
[03:48] <Ubulette> this should be pretty common already
[03:48] <asac> main problem is that we don't have encoders
[03:49] <asac> for various formats (iirc)
[03:49] <Jazzva> Well, there is ffmpeg (but I'm not sure if it's in multiverse)
[03:49] <asac> encoding ogg should be possible though
[03:49] <asac> its carefully stripped
[03:50] <asac> decoders are there ... but lots of encoders dropped
[03:50] <Jazzva> What do you mean dropped? *unsure*
[03:50] <asac> stripped from source tarball ;)
[03:50] <Jazzva> Oh, that :)...
[03:50] <Jazzva> damn...
[03:50] <asac> well ... decode from something and encode to .ogg
[03:51] <asac> maybe your dvd player can even play that :)
[03:51] <Jazzva> That sounds reasonable :)...
[03:51] <Jazzva> And, by that, I guess it would help on making people use open formats :)
[03:51] <asac> you can add more options ... but they won't be available out-of-the-box
[03:51] <asac> sure
[03:52] <asac> if it really rocks you might help improve the world
[03:52] <asac> though people using linux are probably not those you have to convince ;)
[03:52] <Jazzva> It will probably suck in the start :D... and maybe get somewhat-useful one day :)
[03:52] <Jazzva> True...
[03:52] <asac> and to convince windowish users that thing really has to rock the universe :)
[03:53] <Ubulette> many people use mencoder (from mplayer project) or transcode
[03:53] <Ubulette> tons of gui for those two
[03:53] <Ubulette> but often shipped with stolen/hacked binary codecs
[03:53] <asac> asac@hector:~$ apt-cache search mencoder
[03:53] <asac> acidrip - ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder
[03:53] <asac> devede - Video DVD creator
[03:53] <asac> iriverter - converts video for use on various multimedia players.
[03:53] <asac> mencoder - MPlayer's Movie Encoder
[03:53] <asac> mplayer-doc - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux (Documentation)
[03:54] <asac> no idea if any of those is a gui tool
[03:54] <Jazzva> I'll check...
[03:55] <Jazzva> Well, I think iriverter has GUI...
[03:55] <Jazzva> Ok... smoke time...
[03:55] <Ubulette> asac, NSSInitProblem=Could not initialize the browser's security component
[03:55] <asac> http://iriverter.sourceforge.net/screenshots.shtml
[03:56] <asac> where is that?
[03:56] <Ubulette> gp sources
[03:56] <asac> or better yet ... where is that used?
[03:56] <asac> path?
[03:57] <asac> or filename ;)
[03:57] <Ubulette> mozilla/security/manager/locales/en-US/chrome/pipnss/pipnss.properties for the text
[03:57] <asac> ok sounds reasonable
[03:57] <Ubulette> mozilla/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp
[03:57] <asac> damn ... i have shut down my trackerd box :)
[03:58] <Ubulette> called from...
[03:58] <Ubulette> ... nsNSSComponent::ShowAlert()
[03:58] <asac> http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp#2073
[03:58] <Ubulette> damn
[03:58] <asac> where is that?
[03:58] <Ubulette> could be everywhere
[03:58] <Ubulette> mozilla/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp
[03:58] <Ubulette> yep, the same
[03:58] <asac> well not so many places
[03:58] <asac> http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/ident?i=ShowAlert
[03:59] <Ubulette> ai_nss_init_problem is the flag
[03:59] <asac> but you should see log for instance:
[03:59] <asac> PR_LOG(gPIPNSSLog, PR_LOG_DEBUG, ("NSS problem, trying to bring up GUI error message\n"));
[03:59] <Ubulette> ./build-tree/mozilla/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp:      ShowAlert(ai_nss_init_problem);
[04:00] <asac> if you can provide links from that page :)
[04:00] <asac> in http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/manager/ssl/src/nsNSSComponent.cpp#2073
[04:00] <asac> i only see
[04:00] <asac> NSSInitProblemX
[04:00] <asac> wasn't the string without X ?
[04:01] <Ubulette> oh, I'm in GP, not FF2 :P
[04:01] <asac> i am on trunk
[04:02] <asac> well buts that apparently all we have
[04:02] <Ubulette> how can I see PR_LOG_DEBUG ?
[04:02] <asac> Ubulette: do you see the PR_LOG ?
[04:03] <asac> Ubulette: you already tried
[04:03] <asac> all:5 will show you all
[04:03] <asac> otherwise try just
[04:03] <asac> gPIPNSS:5
[04:03] <asac> DEBUG == 4
[04:03] <Ubulette> I'm not seeing any "can not init"
[04:04] <Ubulette> it's definitely in nsNSSComponent::InitializeNSS()
[04:04] <asac> NSS Initialization beginning ??
[04:04] <Ubulette> hmm, that's where the popup is started, no ?
[04:04] <asac> or at least:
[04:04] <asac> PR_LOG(gPIPNSSLog, PR_LOG_DEBUG, ("nsNSSComponent::InitializeNSS\n"));
[04:04] <asac> do you see any of those?
[04:05] <Ubulette> not with the cmd you gave me earlier
[04:05] <Ubulette> that's why I asked how to match PR_LOG_DEBUG
[04:06] <asac> yeah now i know i think
[04:06] <asac> sorry
[04:12] <asac> i think they are compiled out in your build
[04:13] <Ubulette> ?
[04:13] <Ubulette> i read: "To enable NSPR logging and/or the debugging aids in your application, compile using the NSPR debug build headers and runtime. Set one of the compile-time defines when you build your application.  "
[04:13] <Ubulette> doesn't make sens to me
[04:13] <Ubulette> e
[04:14] <asac> well firefox does that
[04:14] <asac> but i think nss doesn't do that :)
[04:16] <asac> #else /* (defined(DEBUG) || defined(FORCE_PR_LOG)) && !defined(WIN16) */
[04:16] <asac> #undef PR_LOGGING
[04:16] <Ubulette> ff is the caller, should work
[04:16] <asac> #define PR_LOG_TEST(module,level) 0
[04:16] <asac> #define PR_LOG(module,level,args)
[04:16] <asac> no
[04:16] <asac> its compile time
[04:17] <asac> if you would build without system nss you would see it
[04:17] <asac> but you don't set that in rules
[04:17] <Ubulette> I'm reading the code firing the ui, it's ff
[04:17] <asac> oh :)
[04:17] <Ubulette> calling nss stuff
[04:17] <asac> yeah right
[04:17] <Ubulette> even if nss is silent, ff should log
[04:18] <asac> if you have the build tree still on your hard disk
[04:18] <asac> start from dist/bin
[04:18] <asac> ./firefox -g
[04:18] <asac> then set breakpoint
[04:18] <asac> and see
[04:18] <asac> if that code is actually run
[04:20] <asac> if you turn on log do you see at least this:
[04:20] <asac> -1865841584[603a20] : Loaded library /usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/libnssdbm3.so
[04:20] <Ubulette> i do
[04:20] <asac> (load lib)
[04:20] <asac> -1865841584[603a20] : Loaded library /usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/libfreebl3.so
[04:20] <asac> (load lib)
[04:20] <asac> -1865841584[603a20] : Loaded library /usr/lib/firefox-granparadiso/libnssckbi.so (load lib)
[04:20] <asac> of course for firefox 2
[04:20] <Ubulette> hmm, breakpoint in the beast
[04:20] <asac> just say sourcefile.cpp:line
[04:20] <asac> that usually works
[04:21] <Ubulette> hmm
[04:21] <Ubulette> (gdb) b nsNSSComponent.cpp:2712
[04:21] <Ubulette> No source file named nsNSSComponent.cpp.
[04:21] <Ubulette> Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n] )
[04:22] <asac> yea
[04:22] <asac> that should work
[04:22] <asac> set a few more in that component
[04:22] <asac> and maybe somewhere else
[04:22] <asac> (what you see in log)
[04:22] <asac> :)
[04:23] <Ubulette> lol, should be nsNSSComponent.cpp:1333
[04:24] <Ubulette> not catched
[04:24] <asac> yeah ... try to break in another component so you can be sure that it actually breakls
[04:24] <asac> for me it worked pretty well
[04:24] <asac>  ... last time i tried
[04:25] <asac> Ubulette: if you see the dialog
[04:25] <asac> hit ctrl-z in gdb
[04:25] <asac> and then look where you are
[04:25] <asac> and if you have symbols for the top of the stack
[04:25] <asac> and can do list
[04:25] <asac> at least some thread should be in that code i guess
[04:26] <Ubulette> #19 0xb5d4e3e3 in nsPromptService::Alert (this=0x8bc3e70, parent=0x0, dialogTitle=0x899feb8, text=0x8bde150) at nsPromptService.cpp:132
[04:26] <Ubulette> #20 0xb5d4701d in nsPrompt::Alert (this=0x8bc3e40, dialogTitle=0x0, text=0x8bde150) at nsPrompt.cpp:230
[04:26] <Ubulette> #21 0xb44b6dc1 in nsNSSComponent::ShowAlert (this=0x8bc36f8, ai=nsNSSComponent::ai_nss_init_problem) at nsNSSComponent.cpp:2036
[04:26] <Ubulette> #22 0xb44bd0c0 in nsNSSComponent::InitializeNSS (this=0x8bc36f8, showWarningBox=1) at nsNSSComponent.cpp:1519
[04:26] <Ubulette> #23 0xb44bd8d4 in nsNSSComponent::Init (this=0x8bc36f8) at nsNSSComponent.cpp:1601
[04:26] <Ubulette> #24 0xb44c409a in nsNSSComponentConstructor (aOuter=0x0, aIID=@0xb5e8b2c4, aResult=0xbfb72848) at nsNSSModule.cpp:159
[04:26] <Ubulette> #25 0xb7de8ffe in nsGenericFactory::CreateInstance (this=0x8947670, aOuter=0x0, aIID=@0xb5e8b2c4, aResult=0xbfb72848) at nsGenericFactory.cpp:79
[04:26] <Ubulette> #26 0xb7e2cda4 in nsComponentManagerImpl::CreateInstanceByContractID (this=0x809e078, aContractID=0xb5e8af4c "@mozilla.org/psm;1", aDelegate=0x0, aIID=@0xb5e8b2c4, aResult=0xbfb72848) at nsComponentManager.cpp:1981
[04:26] <asac> and breaking here:
[04:26] <asac> nsNSSComponent.cpp:2036
[04:26] <asac> doesn't work?
[04:26] <Ubulette> woo 90 levels in the stack :)
[04:27] <Ubulette> Breakpoint 4, nsNSSComponent::InitializeNSS (this=0x8bbdb58, showWarningBox=1) at nsNSSComponent.cpp:1519
[04:27] <Ubulette> 1519    nsNSSComponent.cpp: No such file or directory.
[04:27] <Ubulette> just above
[04:27] <asac> so it works?
[04:27] <Ubulette> (too bad the sources are misplaced)
[04:27] <asac> are they?
[04:28] <asac> hmm
[04:28] <asac> for me it worked pretty well last time i tried
[04:28] <Ubulette> (gdb) p which_nss_problem
[04:28] <Ubulette> $1 = nsNSSComponent::problem_none
[04:29] <asac> can you see the sources of other elements of the stack?
[04:29] <asac> e.g. in other components ?
[04:29] <Ubulette> nothing from that component at least
[04:29] <asac>  SECStatus init_rv = ::NSS_InitReadWrite(profileStr.get());
[04:29] <Ubulette> but I have it in another term
[04:29] <asac> if fail then we get that
[04:30] <asac> oh wrong :)
[04:30] <asac> too tired ;)
[04:30] <asac> hmm
[04:30] <asac> intersting
[04:31] <Ubulette> well, if which_nss_problem = problem_none, we should not be there
[04:31] <asac> what is supress_warning_preference ?
[04:31] <Ubulette> No symbol "supress_warning_preference" in current context.
[04:31] <asac> rv = mPrefBranch->GetBoolPref("security.suppress_nss_rw_impossible_warning", &supress_warning_preference);
[04:31] <Ubulette> (gdb) p mNSSInitialized
[04:31] <Ubulette> $3 = 0
[04:32] <asac> thats strange :)
[04:32] <asac> set that to true
[04:32] <asac> ;)
[04:32] <Ubulette> lol
[04:32] <asac> why do we want to suppress that?
[04:32] <Ubulette> no
[04:32] <Ubulette> read
[04:35] <asac> ah
[04:35] <asac> is 1519 the real line?
[04:35] <Ubulette> in ff2, yes
[04:35] <Ubulette>     // We might want to use different messages, depending on what failed.
[04:35] <Ubulette>     // For now, let's use the same message.
[04:35] <Ubulette>     if (showWarningBox) {
[04:35] <Ubulette>       ShowAlert(ai_nss_init_problem);
[04:35] <Ubulette>     }
[04:36] <Ubulette> (gdb) p ai_nss_init_problem
[04:36] <Ubulette> $4 = nsNSSComponent::ai_nss_init_problem
[04:36] <asac> ok so can we rule out that
[04:36] <asac>  SECStatus init_rv = ::NSS_InitReadWrite(profileStr.get());
[04:36] <asac> fails?
[04:37] <asac> e.g. thats the only place that can fail?
[04:38] <asac> i don't see anything below that line that could change which_nss_problem
[04:40] <asac> ok ... this is initreadwrite:
[04:40] <asac> http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/nss/lib/nss/nssinit.c#410
[04:40] <Ubulette>     rv = NS_GetSpecialDirectory(NS_APP_USER_PROFILE_50_DIR,
[04:40] <Ubulette>                                 getter_AddRefs(profilePath));
[04:40] <Ubulette> (gdb) p rv
[04:40] <Ubulette> $6 = 0
[04:40] <asac> well that should work
[04:40] <asac> yes thats SUCCESS IIRC
[04:41] <Ubulette>     rv = profilePath->GetNativePath(profileStr);
[04:41] <Ubulette> (just showing were i am)
[04:41] <asac> that will definitly work as well
[04:41] <asac> otherwise nothing would work
[04:41] <Ubulette>     rv = mPrefBranch->GetBoolPref("security.suppress_nss_rw_impossible_warning", &supress_warning_preference);
[04:41] <Ubulette> => rv = 0
[04:42] <Ubulette>     ConfigureInternalPKCS11Token();
[04:42] <asac> have you taken a look at http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/nss/lib/nss/nssinit.c#410 ?
[04:42] <asac> you should definitly break in that function
[04:42] <asac> and see what breaks
[04:43] <asac> because in the branch that you are atm ... it already has failed!
[04:43] <Ubulette>     SECStatus init_rv = ::NSS_InitReadWrite(profileStr.get());
[04:44] <asac> yeahg ... that fails
[04:44] <asac> step in
[04:46] <Ubulette> it goes to NSS_NoDB_Init()
[04:46] <asac> bt?
[04:46] <asac> from where?
[04:47] <Ubulette> (gdb) bt
[04:47] <Ubulette> #0  nsNSSComponent::InitializeNSS (this=0x8b7b3e0, showWarningBox=1) at ../../../../dist/include/xpcom/nsCOMPtr.h:542
[04:47] <Ubulette> #1  0xb45638d4 in nsNSSComponent::Init (this=0x8b7b3e0) at nsNSSComponent.cpp:1601
[04:47] <Ubulette> #2  0xb456a09a in nsNSSComponentConstructor (aOuter=0x0, aIID=@0xb5f342c4, aResult=0xbffe74c8) at nsNSSModule.cpp:159
[04:47] <Ubulette> #3  0xb7e91ffe in nsGenericFactory::CreateInstance (this=0x88ff318, aOuter=0x0, aIID=@0xb5f342c4, aResult=0xbffe74c8) at nsGenericFactory.cpp:79
[04:47] <Ubulette> #4  0xb7ed5da4 in nsComponentManagerImpl::CreateInstanceByContractID (this=0x809e078, aContractID=0xb5f33f4c "@mozilla.org/psm;1", aDelegate=0x0, aIID=@0xb5f342c4, aResult=0xbffe74c8) at nsComponentManager.cpp:1981
[04:47] <asac> no ... please step into NSS_NoDB_Init
[04:47] <Ubulette> lost
[04:48] <asac> Ubulette: http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/nss/lib/nss/nssinit.c#541
[04:48] <asac> thats InitReadWrite
[04:49] <asac> from there it goes in http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/nss/lib/nss/nssinit.c#410
[04:49] <asac> my guess is that it fails either at:
[04:49] <asac> http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/security/nss/lib/nss/nssinit.c#486
[04:49] <asac> (load sec module)
[04:50] <asac> well not either ... most likely there
[04:50] <Jazzva> I'm off for today... see you later :)
[04:50] <Jazzva> Have fun ;)...
[04:50] <asac> i am gone now too
[04:51] <Ubulette> yep, me too. I'll start from there tomorrow
[04:52] <asac> yeah ... now its really late ... so time tomorrow is scarce ... anyway ... will get nspr/nss build so i can at least test as well
[04:52] <asac> damn ... g'night
[04:52] <Ubulette> 'night
[02:42] <Jazzva> Hello...
[03:20] <Assid> heya
[03:22] <Jazzva> Hello...
[03:24] <Assid> is there an issue with the release in gutsy?
[03:24] <Assid> it kept crashing on me
[03:25] <Jazzva> Hmm, I'm not sure if I could really help you, but I can try. So far, I don't know of that issue... Can you tell me what do you do when it crashes?
[03:26] <Assid> well most of it was due to jumping between windows..  (alt tab)
[03:26] <Assid> i had to fill in a form with the conternts i got from email.. so i had to jump backand forth alot..  next thing i know .. firefox wasnt there
[03:27] <Assid> gutsy crash manager did catch it a few times.. a few it didnt
[03:27] <Jazzva> Hm... I'll give it a try... Maybe it would be better to wait for someone with more expirience to show up.
[03:28] <Assid> im not able to replicate it all the time.. so im not sure whats happening really
[03:29] <Jazzva> Me neither...
[04:37] <Ubulette_> hi
[05:01] <Jazzva|away> asac: Jim Campbell sent another e-mail about ubufox failing to build in Xubuntu. What should we answer to him? That it's failing because apturl is not in main? But, then again, it builds in Ubuntu...
[05:06] <Jazzva|away> asac: I've sent him a reply... You'll see it in your inbox.
[06:35] <Ubulette> asac, I've pushed trunk 3.0~cvs20070818
[06:54] <asac> hi
[06:54] <asac> sorry ... i am pretty busted today
[06:54] <asac> e.g. hang-over like ;)
[06:55] <Ubulette> not enough sleep maybe
[06:56] <asac> yeah ... maybe throughout the last weeks ;)
[06:56] <asac> Jazzva|away: i think you answered right
[06:56] <asac> Jazzva|away: i will check with release manager on monday
[07:01] <Ubulette> asac, Jazzva|away http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/trunk-plugins.png
[07:02] <Ubulette> that's with today's trunk
[07:03] <Jazzva> Back for half an hour... hour... something like that :)
[07:03] <Jazzva> Ubulette, looks good :).
[07:05] <asac_> wow my connection sucks today
[07:05] <asac_> 4-5th time already
[07:05] <Ubulette> asac, if you missed it: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/trunk-plugins.png
[07:06] <Jazzva> asac, I hope mine will work ok today :)... Upgrading to Gutsy...
[07:06] <asac_> thats cool
[07:06] <asac_> Ubulette: when did that land? or did we miss a compiler switch?
[07:07] <Ubulette> wasn't there 20070813 unless I missed it
[07:08] <asac_> Default Plugin? is that libnullplugin.so ?
[07:08] <Ubulette> yep
[07:10] <asac_> what happens if you disable a plugin? is there some flag added to pluginreg.dat in the profile?
[07:11] <Ubulette> lol, it does nothing
[07:12] <Ubulette> it's marked disabled, if I restart, it's back enabled
[07:13] <asac_> hmm ... most likely because its incapable of dealing with globally installed plugins
[07:13] <asac_> if no write permissions ;)
[07:14] <hjmf> asac_: hi, bug 133344
[07:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133344 in helix-player "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133344
[07:15] <hjmf> asac: I've planned the next week to end this plugin stuff :)
[07:15] <asac_> hjmf: great ;)
[07:15] <hjmf> I'll keep you informed :)
[07:15] <asac_> sure
[07:15] <asac_> is it hot in valencia atm ?
[07:15] <hjmf> damn hot yeah ;)
[07:15] <asac_> oh i envy you ;)
[07:16] <hjmf> you wouldn't say that if you were here :D
[07:16] <hjmf> it's really hot and wet
[07:16] <asac> well ... maybe :)
[07:16] <asac> high humidity?
[07:16] <hjmf> yep
[07:17] <asac> i always thought that spain has no tropical climate ... did it rain yesterday?
[07:17] <hjmf> I live near the see and this is always high humidity
[07:18] <hjmf> though no rain in most part of the summer
[07:18] <hjmf> s/see/sea
[07:18] <asac> then humidity is probably not really high :)
[07:18] <asac> i have been in egypt at the red-sea ... there was no humidity because of the sea
[07:18] <asac> it must be something else for you :)
[07:19] <asac> maybe your wind blows from north and you get that soaked air from here ;)
[07:19] <asac>  61%
[07:20] <hjmf> the fact is that I'm damn sweat atm :)
[07:20] <asac> Humidity:  61%
[07:20] <asac> yeah
[07:20] <asac> looks like tomorrow it might rain for you
[07:20] <hjmf> hopefully
[07:20] <asac> probably the reason why its humid now
[07:21] <hjmf> I love winters (soft winters like the ones we have here)
[07:21] <hjmf> ... not those you might have there in germany
[07:22] <asac> in sevilla its 11 degree warmer atm :)
[07:22] <asac> according to this site you have 27 ... they have 38 :)
[07:22] <hjmf> poor of them
[07:22] <asac> yeah thats too hot
[07:22] <Ubulette> is tabmix plus addon already packaged ?
[07:22] <hjmf> maybe it's my mind
[07:22] <hjmf> :D
[07:23] <asac> take a bath :)
[07:23] <asac> Ubulette: i don't think so
[07:23] <asac> ... but not sure
[07:23] <hjmf> too late to go to the beach, maybe tomorrow sunday :D
[07:24] <asac> take me with you :(
[07:24] <asac> Ubulette: usually we don't want extensions in the archive if they don't have native components
[07:25] <asac> because it just sucks maintainence time ... without a real benefit imo
[07:25] <Ubulette> ok, fair enough :)
[07:25] <asac> which doesn't mean that one is not allowed to maintain them
[07:26] <asac> it is just that there are so many and that addons.mozilla.org already does a good job imo
[07:26] <Ubulette> what about the choice "adblock" vs "adblock plus" ?
[07:26] <asac> is adblock in the archive?
[07:26] <asac> oh i see
[07:26] <Ubulette> i saw it while testing ubufox
[07:27] <asac> well ... personally i won't package extensions ... though now that we have the "ubuntu extensions" link we might want a few more
[07:36] <Jazzva> asac: I could give it a try :)... (and learn something new :P)
[07:40] <asac> first we should find out which the most popular ones are
[07:40] <asac> or we try to package everything on addons.mozilla.org that has a free-license
[07:40] <Jazzva> Well, we could find that out on mozilla.org...
[07:40] <asac> semi-automatically
[07:42] <Jazzva> Well, I won't be available to do anything that requires downloading... Need to download 1400 MB of packages...
[07:42] <asac> note that there are lots of addons.mozilla.org whose license is not free
[07:42] <asac> hehe
[07:43] <Jazzva> Not funny when you're on 256kbps connection :)...
[07:43] <asac> you are?
[07:43] <Jazzva> yep...
[07:44] <asac> maybe look here first:
[07:44] <asac> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/recommended
[07:46] <Jazzva> asac: Well, that's something I had in mind when you said to package the popular addons
[07:47] <asac> we should definitly look into allpeers
[07:47] <asac> it has a bunch of native components and an ubuntu package would stop crashes for users of it
[07:47] <asac> afaik they freed their code completely a few month ago
[07:48] <asac> i am not sure if recommended means populare
[07:48] <asac> maybe fore some
[07:48] <asac> but maybe some pay money or cooperate with mofo to get in that list?
[07:48] <asac> (no idea ... just an idea)
[07:50] <Ubulette> guess it's based on number of dls
[07:55] <asac> maybe
[07:56] <asac> but actually i think that would be "mostpopular" ... and not "recommended"
[07:56] <asac> recommended sounds like its an editor that assembles this list
[07:56] <Jazzva> Well, gotta go now... study time.
[07:56] <asac> i will ask my moco contact what they do
[07:56] <asac> sure
[07:56] <Jazzva> See you in a few hours...
[07:57] <asac> cu
[07:57] <Jazzva|away> Have fun :_)
[07:57] <Jazzva|away> :)
[08:05] <gnomefreak> brb
[08:05] <asac> ola gnomefreak
[08:12] <gnomefreak> hows everything going?
[08:17] <Ubulette> hi
[08:17] <Ubulette> feel better ?
[08:17] <hjmf> asac: I've filed these bug reports
[08:17] <hjmf> helix-player bug #133344
[08:17] <hjmf> mozplugger bug #133350
[08:17] <hjmf> classpath (gcjwebplugin) bug #133360
[08:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133344 in helix-player "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133344
[08:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133350 in mozplugger "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133350
[08:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133360 in classpath "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133360
[08:18] <hjmf> I'm off for a walk ;)
[08:18] <hjmf> gnomefreak: take care :)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> you too
[08:20] <asac_> gnomefreak:
[08:20] <asac_> 20:14 < asac> fine :) ... except that i am busted
[08:20] <asac_> 20:14 < asac> and probably offline again :(
[08:20] <asac_> 20:14 < asac> sucky connection
[08:20] <asac_> 20:14 < asac> am i still here?
[08:20] <gnomefreak> yes you are here now
[08:20] <gnomefreak> i didnt see that before now so you werent here i think
[08:21] <asac_> well not for long
[08:21] <asac_> my connection already has hickups again
[08:21] <asac_> i will try reset modem
[08:21] <gnomefreak> k
[08:21] <asac_> definitly not
[08:21] <asac_> i have to reboot my gateway anyway because apparently debian has rolled ou t a new kernel
[08:21] <gnomefreak> ill be here a bit
[08:22] <asac_> i just want to get those last bits so i can reset my modem while rebooting :(
[08:22] <asac_> but appears to be impossible ... my download stream gets stuck after a few seconds all the time
[08:23] <asac_> yeah cool
[08:23] <asac_> ok i think 20 minutes or so
[08:23] <asac_> for reboot and getting modem in proper state again :)
[08:47] <gnomefreak> mozilla 259199
[08:47] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 259199 in General "Tooltips don't work in the sidebar" [Normal,New]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259199
[08:50] <Ubulette> asac, wow, is that the time you need to reboot ?
[08:50] <asac> no
[08:50] <asac> to get a new connection :)
[08:50] <asac> apparently it was not my modem ... but my provider
[08:50] <asac> so resetting my modem didn't help, but worsened the situation
[08:51] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, if you feel like it, there's some trunk-mt tree updates pending :)
[08:51] <asac> Ubulette: did i push already
[08:51] <asac> ?
[08:51] <Ubulette> trunk ?
[08:51] <asac> y
[08:51] <asac> i mean to mt branch
[08:52] <gnomefreak> asac: if you have flash installed and install gnash since one doesnt remove the other is it expected to use flashplugin.so instead of gnash?
[08:52] <Ubulette> trunk mt is at #50, mine is at #56
[08:52] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: im not working until i get home tomorrow/mondayish ;) just going through email
[08:53] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, ok, np
[08:53] <gnomefreak> asac: for more info see bug 133197
[08:53] <asac> is lp down?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> nope
[08:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133197 in gnash "mozilla-plugin-gnash is broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133197
[08:53] <gnomefreak> maybe?
[08:53] <gnomefreak> nope
[08:53] <asac> https://code.launchpad.net/firefox
[08:53] <asac> that doesn't open for me
[08:53] <asac> but maybe i am already at the boarder of going down
[08:54] <Ubulette> works fine here
[08:54] <gnomefreak> works here as well
[08:57] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: can you test bug 132938 on latest trunk build to see if they implemented it in thier
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132938 in firefox "tooltips dont work in sidebar" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132938
[08:57] <asac> no matter what i cannot get any data from launchpad atm
[08:58] <asac> so i am more or less paralized :)
[08:58] <Ubulette> asac, file a bug on lp, (lol, just kidding)
[08:58] <asac> i better get a bomb and dump it to my telco headquaters
[08:59] <asac>  \o/
[08:59] <asac> i can connect
[09:00] <asac> - debian/rules: drop --disable-airbag, add --disable-crashreporter ?
[09:00] <Ubulette> asac, weren't you supposed to push gp yesterday ?
[09:00] <asac> yes i think it was the same
[09:00] <Ubulette> they renamed that knob
[09:00] <asac> i didn't get the data
[09:01] <Ubulette> ?
[09:01] <asac> Ubulette: it is pushed
[09:01] <asac> new new revisions
[09:02] <asac> its already at 60
[09:03] <Ubulette> the branch maybe. thought you said push to build yesterday
[09:03] <asac> ah
[09:04] <asac> Ubulette: can we do something about dom inspector this upload ... or next one?
[09:04] <Ubulette> btw, any way to build trunk but not publish it ? (just to see if the other platforms are still ftbs compared to gp a7)
[09:05] <Ubulette> what's the problem with dom inspector ? (i'm not using it)
[09:05] <asac> we have to setup a ppa
[09:05] <Ubulette> what's a ppa ?
[09:05] <asac> remind me tomorrow and i will sort that out
[09:05] <asac> personal package archive
[09:05] <asac> something new in launchpad
[09:05] <asac> you can upload and get buildd
[09:05] <asac> but its your private archive
[09:05] <asac> its as simple as using bzr
[09:06] <asac> we should get a ppa for mozillateam
[09:06] <asac> or more than one
[09:06] <Ubulette> oh, I've wanting that for a while, read a spec a while ago but never heard of anything since
[09:06] <asac> its available since some time ... but still in beta ... so its hidden and you have to ask to get one setup
[09:07] <asac> but iirc it should come on next lp update
[09:07] <asac> but then they already said that for the last update :)
[09:07] <Ubulette> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/soyuz/+spec/personal-package-archives
[09:07] <asac> yes
[09:07] <asac> thats it
[09:08] <asac> I will try to get one tomorrow when our soyuz guy is on duty again :)
[09:08] <asac> aeh monday
[09:08] <gnomefreak> that would be nice
[09:09] <asac> gnomefreak: we should move the mt archive into ppa's
[09:09] <asac> don't you think?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> asac: yes very much so
[09:09] <asac> good
[09:09] <asac> i am not sure if there will be ppa per team ... but i hope so
[09:09] <gnomefreak> ppa builds it we know if it will be good or not
[09:09] <asac> yeah
[09:09] <gnomefreak> than no issues when built on farm
[09:10] <asac> and we don't need to manually update Release et al
[09:10] <gnomefreak> sounds good to me
[09:11] <asac> Ubulette: uploaded
[09:11] <Ubulette> thx
[09:11] <asac> and bzr branch updated to rev 61
[09:13] <gnomefreak> hey last hour or two i will have online until late sunday night monday morning ish
[09:14] <gnomefreak> ummm
[09:14] <gnomefreak> firefox-trunk (2.99+2cvs20070703-0ubuntu0) feisty; urgency=low??????
[09:14] <gnomefreak> oh wait you have been working with gp not trunk?
[09:14] <asac> gnomefreak: the orig for iceape is unmodified debian one, right?
[09:14] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[09:14] <asac> trunk branch in mozillateam
[09:15] <asac> and ubulette is even further ahead
[09:15] <gnomefreak> oh thats right i was merging into mine
[09:15] <asac> i wanted to pull ubulettes changes and push them to mt
[09:15] <gnomefreak> asac: the orig that i built was from upstream tarball
[09:15] <gnomefreak> for iceape
[09:15] <gnomefreak> it was easier at that time
[09:15] <asac> ok
[09:16] <asac> we should use debians
[09:16] <asac> i will just replace it and then see if build works
[09:16] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, my tarballs are there: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/
[09:16] <asac> are you sure you still did that for 1.1.4?
[09:16] <gnomefreak> asac: positive
[09:17] <asac> gnomefreak: can you attend on monday (see topic)
[09:17] <asac> ?
[09:18] <asac> i am unsure if we have the meeting room though
[09:18] <gnomefreak> yes shouldnt be an issue did anyone ask to put it on fridge?
[09:18] <asac> i think freddy messed something up ... at least he dropped a note like that
[09:18] <asac> i think freddy ... but i remember that he stated something has gone wrong
[09:18] <asac> don't know if its fixed
[09:18] <asac> @schedule
[09:18] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 20 Aug 22:00: Forum Council meeting | 21 Aug 15:00: Kernel Team | 22 Aug 12:00: Edubuntu | 22 Aug 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 23 Aug 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Aug 15:00: Screencast Team
[09:18] <asac> apparently not :)
[09:19] <asac> well ... not much a problem ... we can chat here as well ;)
[09:20] <asac> gnomefreak: i see that i merged debian tree on top of your iceape 1.1.4 revision ... so future merges get more simple
[09:21] <gnomefreak> you did?
[09:21] <asac> its just the forgotten patch
[09:21] <asac> + the an update of 99_configure
[09:21] <gnomefreak> i pushing patch atm to my branch
[09:21] <asac> yeah ... let me push that
[09:21] <asac> hmm
[09:21] <asac> i already have that here
[09:21] <gnomefreak> your missing the 80_system_libs
[09:21] <asac> gnomefreak: it just worked to merge
[09:21] <asac> no
[09:21] <asac> it worked
[09:21] <asac> i just merged without doing anything
[09:22] <gnomefreak> oh :(
[09:22] <gnomefreak> too late
[09:22] <asac> and just had to fix the changelog conflicts
[09:22] <gnomefreak> not too late
[09:22] <asac> ok i can merge your changes as well
[09:22] <asac> or did you stop the push?
[09:22] <gnomefreak> push wanted key passphrash and i didnt give it now im uncommitin
[09:22] <gnomefreak> g
[09:23] <asac> ok
[09:23] <asac> wait a sec
[09:23] <gnomefreak> i dont see anything updated please drop the link to the branch
[09:23] <gnomefreak> brb
[09:23] <asac> i am pushing now
[09:24] <asac> i had it locally here ... because i wanted to tell you ;)
[09:33] <gnomefreak> what branch are you pushing to? the debian mt or the regular mt
[09:41] <gnomefreak> shit
[09:45] <gnomefreak> this seems like a extension issue more so than seamonkey :(
[09:47] <asac> regular mt
[09:50] <asac> gnomefreak: should be up to date
[09:50] <asac> https://code.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x
[09:51] <gnomefreak> asac: security warning and failure to install extention fully would be iceape or extenstion (works on firefox)
[09:51] <asac> huh?
[09:51] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 133370 if you can have a look if not ill look more when i get home but i dont see how its iceape
[09:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133370 in iceape "[gutsy]  iceape addon's need root access to install properly" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133370
[09:52] <gnomefreak> only the noscript one is a problem that i have found so far
[09:52] <asac> others work?
[09:52] <gnomefreak> i will try a viratiy in a bit
[09:53] <asac> gnomefreak: dropped a comment
[09:53] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:54] <gnomefreak> flashgot seemed to work
[09:54] <asac> gnomefreak: do you have a link to the addon?
[09:55] <gnomefreak> yes one sec
[09:55] <gnomefreak> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/722 asac
[09:56] <asac> gnomefreak: i am pretty sure that the extension is broken
[09:56] <asac> it has an install.js file
[09:57] <asac> (which you need for old extension mechanism)
[09:57] <asac> they try to fiddle around from what i see
[09:57] <asac> to allow profile installs
[09:57] <asac> however ... this can be broken
[09:57] <asac> if you unpack the .xpi file and look into install.js you will see
[09:58] <asac> those manual install files are not needed with the new extension manager
[09:58] <gnomefreak> new extension manager for ff?
[09:58] <asac> no ...ff has a new extension manager compared to what iceape has
[09:59] <asac> iceape has no extension manager at all
[09:59] <asac> it just allows xpi install
[09:59] <asac> which is why extensions can be broken if extension authors have no clue or something
[09:59] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[09:59] <gnomefreak> that would also explain why i cant find a place to uninstall them from
[09:59] <asac> i think i see the problem
[09:59] <asac> oh no
[09:59] <asac> sorry
[10:00] <asac> yeah
[10:00] <asac> if the extension doesn't ship its own uninstall ... you cannot uninstall :)
[10:01] <gnomefreak> that kind of sucks, i dont see them updating the download/extension manager anytime before 2.0 release and that can be bad
[10:01] <Ubulette> asac, I guess you didn't try my nss/nspr today, right ?
[10:02] <Ubulette> i'll have a look once again at nss to see what is wrong
[10:02] <asac> obviously not ... and i am currently involved in curing gnash debian collaboration
[10:03] <Ubulette> ok
[10:15] <gnomefreak> i havent seen nss issue yet but i havent been here much. Im shutting this down so i can pack car with as much as i can before the drive.
[10:15] <Ubulette> :)
[10:16] <gnomefreak> asac: if you get a chance can you try to push 1.1.4 to gutsy afaict it built fine and ran fine. once it is uploaded it should fix the issue with unmet depends on gnomebaker as it was looking for icepae-calendar for some reason (maybe because it was installed as iceape not iceape-browser)
[10:17] <gnomefreak> im 98% sure it will fix it now that we no longer build binaries for -cal
[10:17] <gnomefreak> have good day and have fun ;)
[11:45] <Ubulette> asac, I've removed almost all our patches and nss still fails.. only 81_sonames and 80_security_*
[11:51] <asac> Ubulette: what do you mean it still fails?
[11:51] <asac> e.g. the security warning?
[11:54] <Ubulette> yep
[12:06] <Mirv> asac: hi. if you haven't yet checked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/126112 which I reopened, you could take the thunderbird.desktop from there which has Finnish translation added which also included in the original bug report
[12:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126112 in thunderbird "[gutsy]  menu item translations lost, plus add a Finnish translation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:06] <Mirv> +was
[12:06] <Mirv> and I'd guess that Italian guy might want to proposed Name[it] , too, but we'll see
[12:07] <asac> Mirv: can you please look if there are other translation bugs open?
[12:07] <asac> Mirv: i would like to do them all in a row :)
[12:07] <Mirv> just a moment
[12:16] <Mirv> ok, found just one, bug updated with another attachment
[12:21] <Jazzva|away> Well, done with studying, but too tired to do anything else right now + my connection is all devoted to gutsy packages right now... asac, I sent an e-mail this afternoon to fakenes upstream about cbuild... I hope that she'll response in 2-3 days :).
[12:21] <Jazzva|away> Have fun, people :)...
[12:24] <asac> Jazzva|away: thanks
[12:24] <asac> Jazzva|away: have a nice evening
[01:02] <asac> Mirv: can you make a generic bug out of it and title it: GUTSY translation updates
[01:02] <asac> ?
[01:02] <asac> and maybe merge in the other bugs as duplicates?


[14:46] <Maik> someone please for once take care of Deano59 i really had enough of his immature, trolling behaviour all the time, even if it's in the offtopic channel
[14:47] <Maik> now he's provoking me again in #ubuntu-discuss, aka stalking
[14:58] <hggdh> Maik: one important aspect of using IRC is to *not* respond to obvious taunts.
[14:59] <Maik> hggdh: you're right, i am just tired and got annoyed by the fact he highlighted me for no reason at all
[14:59] <Maik> when i asked him to not do so he kept going on
[14:59] <Maik> so i got a but fed up about it
[15:00] <hggdh> you need to learn to *not* accept taunts. If you do not answer, things do not escalate.
[15:00] <Maik> i'll keep that in mind, thanks
[15:01] <Maik> i have him on ignore for now by the way
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> Maik: To be fair, it looks like he didn't highlight you for no reason. He was answering the question you had presented ("Working from home today?"). It came late enough to appear out of context.
[15:53] <Eickmeyer> After that, yes, he did troll.
[15:54] <Eickmeyer> hggdh: ^
[15:55] <Maik> Eickmeyer: no, he highlight me with this nonsense: [12:58:26] <Deano59> I heard Maik can fix it. :P
[15:55] <Maik> thus, for NO reason
[15:56] <Eickmeyer> Ah, I see. Didn't see that one.
[15:56] <Maik> np, all good
[15:58] <Maik> Eickmeyer: but nonetheless, he keeps at it and i had enough of him. It's not only me who feels that way. There are at least 10 more people who find his behaviour off and annoying.
[15:58] <Eickmeyer> Maik: Fair. I believe hggdh will be handling the situation from here on.
[16:00] <Maik> if it continues and things don't change i simply drop my ubuntu membership, leave and move on. I know i wasn't fair but i can't stand his immature coptcat/troll behaviour anymore.
[16:00] <Maik> then he crawls into a victim role too
[16:00] <Maik> and he's 31?
[16:01] <Maik> sound more like a 16 year old to me sometimes
[16:01] <Eickmeyer> Maik: I understand your frustration, but we can't be ranting in here. We'll leave it to hggdh or others to handle.
[16:01] <Maik> sorry b ut i had to get this off my chest$
[16:02] <Maik> i leave it at that, next time i'm gone, simple as that
[16:03] <hggdh> Maik: this is your decision to make, but I do not see the need to.
[16:15] <Maik> after months of this over again, i wonder why no one has been really taken care of him
[16:16] <launchd> i've not actually seen any of this but my guess would be that they're not actually violating any rules
[16:16] <Maik> trolling behaviour is trolling behaviour and that is what Deano does
[16:17] <Maik> it's not only me who thinks about it that way
[16:17] <hggdh> Maik: stop. This is not the channel. Go to #ubuntu-ops for that
[16:17] <launchd> that is what you *think* he does. honestly, if it bothers you that much, just /ignore them.
[16:17] <launchd> but i'm not really in a position to argue about this.
[16:17] <Maik> launchd: you know ignore doesn't work
[16:18] <Maik> and it's not a solution to the behaviour he is pulling of
[16:18] <launchd> i'm still not arguing. please listen to what others in this channel have asked you to do.
[16:21] <Maik> why should i always listen and do?  I'm not always going to say "Yes and amen" to evrything that's been said.
[16:21] <Maik> i had enough for today. The solution would have been if Deano got kicked out months ago.
[16:21] <hggdh> sigh
[16:22] <Maik> yeah, sigh... just because i say MY opinion...
[16:22] <hggdh> Maik: YOU accept the taunts.  And -- the moment you escalate back -- you lose reason
[16:22] <launchd> Maik: ranting about it will not help your case at all. you should just completely ignore deano or leave the channels they hang in.


[07:21] <chesedo> morning all
[07:21] <chesedo> project estimates -> https://twitter.com/CommitStrip/status/960562649217060865
[10:41] <pavlushka> o/ Kilos
[10:41] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[10:42] <pavlushka> Kilos: Hey, How are you?
[10:42] <Kilos> still have to fix konversation, so i get all my channels back
[10:42] <Kilos> im ok ty lad and you?
[12:59] <pavlushka> oops! Kilos, I am good, may be not good as yopu :p
[12:59] <pavlushka> *yopu/you
[13:00] <Kilos> why
[13:00] <Kilos> hi vulcan and everyone else
[13:01] <Kilos> that includes you inetpro
[13:04] <vulcan> Heyo!
[13:05] <pavlushka> Kilos: coz grass is always greener on the other side :p
[13:05] <Kilos> lol
[17:06] <nlsthzn> ping uncle Kilos ... alo oom :)
[17:06] <nlsthzn> and all
[17:07]  * nlsthzn will be back eventually ;)
[17:43] <Kilos> hi nl
[17:44] <Kilos> ai!
[17:57] <superfly> Kilos: !!!!
[17:57] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly ty sir, I am ok so far" 23 hours, 22 minutes and 50 seconds ago
[18:00] <Kilos> hi superfly
[18:00] <Kilos> you all well there in the states
[18:01] <Kilos> ?
[18:02] <superfly> Kilos: We're doing well. Next week we move into our new house.
[18:02] <Kilos> wonderful
[18:02] <Kilos> congrats
[18:04] <superfly> Thanks. It has a bit of land (4.81 acres, 1.95 hectares), and we've already got chickens ordered (they'll get here in June)
[18:10] <Kilos> great news
[18:10] <Kilos> grow some veggies as well
[18:11] <Kilos> i read lots about some places in the states you are not allowed to grow your own
[18:11] <Kilos> if you plant anything look for organic seeds
[18:12] <Kilos> not the genetically modified stuff
[18:13] <Kilos> were are your chickens coming from that will take so many months
[18:13] <Kilos> big storm here power can go anytime
[18:19] <superfly> Kilos: we'll be growing veggies. I know an online store that only stocks organic heirloom seeds.
[18:19] <Kilos> great
[18:19] <superfly> Kilos: also, I don't know of any state that doesn't let your grow your own. But we're moving to a farming community, so they won't ever do that where we're living
[18:20] <Kilos> just check if you are allowed to
[18:20] <Kilos> cool
[18:20] <superfly> Kilos: the chickens "take so long" because I only wanted them in June.
[18:20] <Kilos> im happy for the fly family
[18:20] <superfly> You can tell them when you want your order.
[18:20] <Kilos> lol
[18:20] <superfly> Thanks Kilos. We're really happy too.
[18:22] <Kilos> and get geese to keep the grass short
[18:23] <Kilos> and tey taste better than turkey
[18:23] <Kilos> they
[18:42] <Kilos> superfly: what  kind of chckens?
[18:42] <Kilos> broilers?
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee on
[18:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:44] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee for all
[18:44] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already. Just type in Maaz coffee please
[18:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:51] <superfly> Kilos: Australorps
[18:51] <superfly> Maaz: coffee please
[18:51] <Maaz> superfly: There isn't a pot on
[18:52] <superfly> darn
[18:53] <Kilos> oh tey good for garden fowls and eggs
[18:53] <Kilos> stupid h
[18:54] <Kilos> just teach them to sleep in their cage at night
[18:54] <Kilos> then when they start laying you only open them after b10 am i think or 11 after laying
[18:55] <Kilos> otherwise you will hunt 2 hectares for eggs
[18:55] <Kilos> each hen likes to find her own little hidey hole
[18:55] <superfly> yes
[18:55] <Kilos> lol
[18:55] <superfly> I'll have two "trainer" eggs
[18:56] <Kilos> im happy for you maqn
[18:56] <superfly> they're ceramic eggs which will help teach them where to lay, and not to break the eggs
[18:56] <Kilos> they6 only work if there is nowhere else to lay
[18:57] <Kilos> even with them some will lay other places
[18:58] <Kilos> nature guides hens to find a secure spot where she can lay a dozen or more eggs then breed them out
[19:02] <superfly> yes
[19:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight