 ovenwerks that is a good point. people wouldn't swap it upside down or write side up back and forth but many tablets are designed to usable upside down for people who use their left hands
[15:36] <OvenWerks> Lots of snow here...anything addressed to me in the last 12 to 18 hours I don't have backcroll.... my main computer did not reboot after power out, so I have no access to a browser either :P
[15:40] <OvenWerks> wonko: I looked at the python json lib tools and got totally lost. It looks even harder to use than what we have.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> wonko: however, the tablet stuff I am working might be easier to do that way.
[15:47] <OvenWerks> wonko: So far I have been able to store a list as space separated strings but in the long run I would need to do [audio_dev], number, and then do 1_pamarm_a 1_param_b 2_param_a 2_param_b
[15:49] <OvenWerks> wonko: being able to do Audio { Devices [device_1, parmams], [device_2,params] would be nice
[15:49] <OvenWerks> wonko: then being able to import each device as a list or list of lists would be great
[15:58] <OvenWerks> wonko: anyway, with no computer, I won't be doing any work on -controls ( Eickmeyer -installer either) till I get another PS. feel free to pull master and convert the config to json if that will make things easier
[16:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: No worries. As I look at the backscroll, there was only one from @azbulutlu: "ovenwerks that is a good point. people wouldn't swap it upside down or write side up back and forth but many tablets are designed to usable upside down for people who use their left hands"
[16:05] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I have the left overs of my old P4 sitting here I will have to see if there is a PS in there for testing, I don't know if it has the power for the i5 or not.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> but I will order a new one anyway.
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah, that's rolling the dice. I'd order a new one, they're relatively inexpensive. At least it's just the PS.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> Seems to be
[16:07] <OvenWerks> no ps fan even
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's usually an indicator that the power outage zapped your PS.  Not sure what you were trying to do there though, you json.load() the file into a dict. It's really that simple. :)
[17:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> wonko: Language, man. BTW, if I haven't said it lately, thanks for all you're doing. :)
[17:31] <wonko> Sorry, I'll watch myself. No problem. Glad to help!
[17:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> If it was up to me, I wouldn't have an issue with the language, but the Ubuntu IRC Guidelines apply. :)
[17:37] <wonko> Yeah, so I'll be good then. :-P
[17:46]  * OvenWerks ordered a new case with PS. That gives me more front panel USB ports that are actually wired for USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 as well as audio jacks that are HDA rather than AC97  ;)
[17:47] <OvenWerks> The case is almost free at $40 CAD
[17:48] <OvenWerks> It is the same case I used for my son's computer too, so I know it is a reasonable case.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> wonko: no problem.
[17:52] <wonko> OvenWerks: $40 is a good price
[17:53] <OvenWerks> Ya, that is probably about $30 USD
[18:23] <OvenWerks> They say 10 days :(
[18:56] <wonko> Boo!
[18:56] <wonko> I really need to get my workstation sold so I can build a new desktop
 out of curiosity what time is the feature freeze for 20.04? it looks like computer issues are on global forecast today so I am not sure I will get to the backdrops this weekend. :/
 if anyone remembers off the top of their head that is...
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
 Feature Freeze is Feb. 24
 Feb 27*
 @azbulutlu
 thanks very much @teward001
 yep.


[00:00] <menn0> thumper: yep naked send
[00:00]  * menn0 checks master
[00:01] <menn0> thumper: fixed in master but not 1.24
[00:01]  * menn0 backports
[00:42] <thumper> cmars: are you going to merge your branch?
[00:42] <cmars> thumper, i'd like to
[00:42] <cmars> thumper, master's blocked
[00:43] <thumper> I've committed a fix
[00:43] <thumper> cmars: please JFDI it
[00:43] <cmars> thumper, with pleasure
[00:51] <thumper> menn0: thanks for the backport
[00:52] <menn0> thumper: np. hopefully my PR will make it through once this is in
[01:09] <katco> cherylj: still there?
[01:12] <thumper> wallyworld: I'm having a lateish lunch with Rachel
[01:12] <thumper> wallyworld: will probably be late for our 1:1
[01:12] <wallyworld> sure, np
[01:29] <natefinch> evening all
[01:39] <natefinch> man I really hate linux utilities' default of "don't tell the user wtf is going on"
[01:46] <thumper> wallyworld: back
[01:46] <thumper> wallyworld: good now?
[01:47] <wallyworld> sure
[02:00] <wallyworld> axw: just finishing up, be there in a sec
[02:00] <axw> wallyworld: thanks for reminding me ;)
[02:12] <thumper> cmars: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/2890/job/run-unit-tests-win2012-amd64/attempt/908
[02:12] <thumper> cmars: another intermittent metics collection failure
[02:13]  * thumper sighs
[02:13] <thumper> cmars: I'm wondering if all the extra tests in uniter also pushed the ppc timeout over 10 minutes
[02:20]  * thumper is looking at http://reports.vapour.ws/releases and feeling sad
[02:31] <thumper> menn0_: got a minute to talk through another intermittent failure?
[02:31] <menn0_> thumper: yep
[02:31] <thumper> menn0_: standup hangout
[02:32] <thumper> menn0_: click "join" :)
[02:33] <menn0_> thumper: it's not that. I have to re-auth and it wants a new password
[02:33] <thumper> ah
[02:50] <natefinch> anyone seen a gccgo error where it thinks you've multiply defined things that are not multiply defined?
[02:53] <natefinch> thumper: ^ ?   I seem to remember a bug we've hit with gccgo in the past where like embedding things the wrong way will make gccgo mad.  Do you happen to remember what caused that?
[02:56] <natefinch> nvm, pretty sure it's this: https://github.com/golang/go/issues/7627    which is fixed in go 1.3 .... which does not help us
[03:04] <thumper> decisions, decisions
[03:05] <thumper> wanting a new laptop bag
[03:05] <thumper> trying to decide between black or red
[03:05] <natefinch> if not-black is an option you like, go with not-black.   I think we should wait for him.
[09:04] <dimitern> here I am
[09:04] <dooferlad> ah
[09:04] <dimitern> sorry guys :)
[09:04] <TheMue> hehe
[09:04] <dooferlad> no worries. Joining
[10:06] <dimitern> tgif :) why do meteors always land in craters :D http://9gag.com/gag/aPGB9YV?ref=fbp
[10:08] <dimitern> ^^ if I heat my SSD drive until it becomes a gaseous state hard drive would that enable cloud computing? <<- good idea for a juju plugin
[10:17] <mup> Bug #1475565 opened: juju expose should allow ip/port restrictions <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475565>
[10:29] <mup> Bug #1475565 changed: juju expose should allow ip/port restrictions <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475565>
[10:35] <mup> Bug #1475565 opened: juju expose should allow ip/port restrictions <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475565>
[11:36] <fwereade> perrito666, ping
[11:48] <dimitern> dooferlad, check out bug 1474946 btw and thumper's fix http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2190/diff/#
[11:48] <mup> Bug #1474946: kvmBrokerSuite worker/provisioner: tests are poorly isolated <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Committed by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474946>
[11:49] <dimitern> dooferlad, I believe the kvm broker shouldn't need to call EnsureRootFS.. as it only applies to lxc broker tests with lxc-clone: true (when we have the template)
[11:54] <fwereade> perrito666, what's the source of the differences in SetStatus on unit vs service in state?
[12:00] <fwereade> perrito666, and for that matter unitagent?
[12:17] <perrito666> fwereade: sorry was @gym
[12:17] <fwereade> perrito666, no worries, I expect asynchronicity :)
[12:18] <perrito666> fwereade: I feel your comment a bit context lacking
[12:19] <fwereade> perrito666, so, we have 4 SetStatus methods in state
[12:19] <fwereade> perrito666, they're all basically setting the same document, and they're all different
[12:19] <fwereade> perrito666, do you know what the source of the differences is, and/or if there are any plans to fix this?
[12:22] <fwereade> perrito666, some gate on entity life, some don't; some error out when the entity disappears, some don't; some use buildTxn functions, some don't; some follow the very few documented guidelines for state methods, some don't...
[12:31] <perrito666> fwereade: there are different rules for each entity, they satisfy state.StatusSetter, they could be a bit smaller and cleaned of redundant code tho
[12:31] <fwereade> perrito666, what are the differences that aren't encoded in the newFooStatusDoc funcs?
[12:34] <perrito666> fwereade: little to nothing, there is some extra resilience around service status and machine status has no history
[12:35] <perrito666> oh and unit agent has a slightly different op
[12:36] <mup> Bug #1475635 opened: Subordinate can break juju run for principal service <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475635>
[12:37] <perrito666> omg you've got to be kidding me one of my monitors will do a humming noise unless brightness is set in 56-60 or >95 levels
[12:37] <perrito666> it has been driving me crazy since last night
[12:38] <wwitzel3> katco: ping?
[12:41] <fwereade> perrito666, do you know the reasons behind the various differences?
[12:41] <fwereade> perrito666, eg, when implementing history, why *didn't* we do machine status?
[12:41] <perrito666> partly
[12:42] <fwereade> perrito666, why does service status need extra resilience, but not the others?
[12:42] <fwereade> perrito666, why doesn't the unit agent check its entity? etc
[13:09] <mup> Bug #1475641 opened: Bug in hooks can make jujud unresponsive <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475641>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1475386 opened: unit not dying after failed hook + destroy-service <destroy-service> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475386>
[13:37] <perrito666> is anywone working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1474946 ?
[13:37] <mup> Bug #1474946: kvmBrokerSuite worker/provisioner: tests are poorly isolated <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Committed by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474946>
[13:37] <perrito666> says thumper there but I think he is no longer here
[13:51] <fwereade> perrito666, I've figured out why RB2148 is making me uncomfortable
[13:52] <fwereade> perrito666, lots of the changes are to the tests, changing the way they reach into the internals of state to "test" it
[13:53] <fwereade> perrito666, which means that none of them are testing the important things -- what happens in real life when people call particular state methods -- they're *all* testing how the methods work when someone makes a specific change to the db
[13:54] <fwereade> perrito666, so those tests become less accurate, and potentially have to be rewritten, every time someone changes the status code
[13:56] <fwereade> perrito666, if you test to the exported interface you can change the implementation and have some confidence that it works how it used to
[13:58] <dooferlad> TheMue, dimitern: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/2197/ please!
[13:58] <TheMue> dooferlad: *click*
[13:58] <katco> wwitzel3: here now
[14:07] <dimitern> dooferlad, looking
[14:08] <TheMue> dooferlad: reviewed
[14:12] <fwereade> dooferlad, one significant comment
[14:13] <fwereade> TheMue, I am a bit disappointed you didn't spot that...
[14:13] <TheMue> fwereade: pardon?
[14:14] <fwereade> TheMue, non-bulk api call
[14:14] <TheMue> fwereade: iiirks, yes
[14:15] <fwereade> TheMue, ehh, it's friday afternoon, these things happen
[14:16] <TheMue> fwereade: but should not
[14:18] <perrito666> fwereade: too bad you realized after I pulled it :p
[14:18] <perrito666> I change it
[14:20] <fwereade> is anyone feeling up to speed on the ugly details of destroy-environment in JES?
[14:22] <sinzui> dimitern: katco : can you ask someone to triage this issue? I cannot say if the issue is the local machine or a juju bug, and if it is a juju bug, is it something that needs fixing in 1.25 https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1474885
[14:22] <mup> Bug #1474885: juju deploy fails with ERROR EOF <local-provider> <precise> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474885>
[14:24] <katco> cherylj: perrito666: dimitern: moonstone is in meetings for the next 4 hours. can one of you TAL?
[14:27] <dimitern> sinzui, katco, will do
[14:27] <katco> dimitern: ty
[14:27] <dimitern> dooferlad, I have not finished yet, but do have a few comments already, please wait for my review first
[14:33] <katco> ericsnow: meeting time
[14:33] <ericsnow> katco: omw
[14:37] <katco> akhavr: o/
[14:40] <dimitern> dooferlad, reviewed
[14:41] <dooferlad> dimitern: thanks
[14:41] <dooferlad> fwereade: thanks as well
[14:43] <dooferlad> dimitern: guess I should have tried harder for a pair programming session earlier!
[14:43] <dimitern> dooferlad, :) no worries
[14:43] <dimitern> we can still do it, but it's getting a bit late for me ;/
[14:44] <dooferlad> dimitern: can you do 30 minutes? Clearly there was some stuff I just hadn't encountered before and combining that with a little too much copy and paste has set me off in the wrong direction.
[14:46] <dooferlad> dimitern: though I guess it is mostly that I should have gone back and looked at the spec again and need to know about the significance of bulk API calls.
[14:46] <dimitern> dooferlad, sure, let's use the standup g+
[14:48] <dimitern> dooferlad, juju-sapphire
[15:00] <mup> Bug #1475565 changed: juju expose should allow ip/port restrictions <expose> <improvement> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475565>
[15:06] <natefinch> davecheney: about that  bug I emailed you about.  It was marked as fixed in 1.3, but we're running 1.2.1 officially.  I'm not sure how that interacts with the gccgo version, but it seems like maybe we're not yet running a version that has that fix?
[15:26] <natefinch> sinzui: davecheney says that enabling trusty updates should fix that ppc issue... is that something that we're allowed to do on the stilson machines?
[15:26] <sinzui> natefinch: they are supposed to be on...ubuntu doesn't not support machines that do not accept updates
[15:27] <sinzui> natefinch: I think they must have been turned off when diagnosing other issues.
[15:27] <natefinch> sinzui: my local machine has gcgo 4.9.1-16ubuntu6, but stilson-07 has 4.9.1-13ubuntu1
[15:28] <sinzui> :/
[15:28] <natefinch> sinzui: oh, forgot I'm not on trusty anymore
[15:28] <natefinch> sinzui: just utopic, though
[15:30] <sinzui> natefinch: trusty-updates are already enabled on stilson-09
[15:31] <katco> natefinch: wwitzel3: planning time
[15:32] <wwitzel3> katco: brt
[15:32] <natefinch> me too
[15:32] <natefinch> sinzui: weird, that one has gccgo 4.9.1-1ubuntu3
[15:33] <natefinch> at least we're consistently inconsistent
[15:37] <sinzui> natefinch: yes, stilson 6-8 permanently dirty. That is why we want the tests to pass in lxc so we can run them in a clean disposable env
[15:46] <natefinch> sinzui: can I mark the bug failure as "invalid because it's running on a dirty machine"?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1471657
[15:46] <mup> Bug #1471657: linker error in procsPersistenceSuite unit test on ppc64 <ci> <ppc64el> <test-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core feature-proc-mgmt:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471657>
[15:46] <sinzui> natefinch: 09 is not dirty
[15:47] <natefinch> sinzui: oh, sorry, misread, thanks for the clarification
[16:40] <rogpeppe> natefinch: you might want to take a look at this - it's a little cache package that i've just moved out of charmstore internal into juju/utils: https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/144
[16:44] <natefinch> rogpeppe: nice.  Needs a package level comment, though.
[16:44] <rogpeppe> natefinch: good point
[16:45] <mup> Bug #1474382 changed: MeterStateSuite teardown failure on windows <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by bteleaga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474382>
[16:45] <mup> Bug #1474946 changed: kvmBrokerSuite worker/provisioner: tests are poorly isolated <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474946>
[16:45] <mup> Bug #1475724 opened: UniterSuite.TestUniterRelations <blocker> <ci> <ppc64el> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core jes-cli:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475724>
[16:51] <davecheney> wallyworld: ping
[16:51] <davecheney> oh, sorry, it's saturday
[16:51] <alexisb> davecheney, it is also very early for him
[16:54] <perrito666> alexisb: early as in friday night :p
[16:54] <perrito666> its around 3AM for ian
[16:55] <katco> davecheney: you people from the western hemisphere wouldn't understand.
[16:55] <alexisb> AM == morning
[16:56] <perrito666> alexisb:  I place the line between late and early around 5AM
[16:56] <natefinch> 4am == night time, I agree with that :)
[16:56] <perrito666> which is the time when, if I wake up Ill go with a coffee instead of more sleep
[16:57] <mup> Bug #1475724 changed: UniterSuite.TestUniterRelations <blocker> <ci> <ppc64el> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core jes-cli:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475724>
[16:57] <mup> Bug #1474382 opened: MeterStateSuite teardown failure on windows <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by bteleaga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474382>
[16:57] <mup> Bug #1474946 opened: kvmBrokerSuite worker/provisioner: tests are poorly isolated <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474946>
[16:59] <jcastro> Does anyone have a quick tldr on Juju/LXD support? I'd like to answer this question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/643658/lxd-and-juju-management
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1474382 changed: MeterStateSuite teardown failure on windows <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <windows> <juju-core:Fix Released by bteleaga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474382>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1474946 changed: kvmBrokerSuite worker/provisioner: tests are poorly isolated <blocker> <ci> <regression> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Released by thumper> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474946>
[17:04] <mup> Bug #1475724 opened: UniterSuite.TestUniterRelations <blocker> <ci> <ppc64el> <regression> <unit-tests> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core jes-cli:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475724>
[17:12] <davecheney> natefinch: that bug you emailed me about earlier
[17:12] <davecheney> i'm pretty sure that is fixed
[17:12] <davecheney> and has been fixed for a long time
[17:12] <davecheney> _but_ there is a catch
[17:12] <davecheney> it's not available for 14.04 out of the box
[17:12] <davecheney> even in 14.04.2
[17:12] <davecheney> you _have_ to enable trusty-updates to get it
[17:14] <natefinch> davecheney: sinzui says trusty updates is enabled on the ppc machines
[17:14] <natefinch> sinzui: silson-09 says that gccgo is installed and set to "manual"... does that mean it's not getting updates?
[17:14] <davecheney> the magic package is libgo5
[17:15]  * davecheney struggles to contain his rage
[17:15] <davecheney> WE OWN THE DISTRIBUTION
[17:15] <davecheney> WHY CAN WE NOT ACTUALLY SHIP UPDATES FOR SHIT WE MAINTAIN
[17:15] <natefinch> s/silson/stilson/
[17:15] <davecheney> phase 1. fix bug
[17:15] <davecheney> phase 2. ???
[17:15] <davecheney> phase 3. nobody actually gets the bug fix
[17:15] <davecheney> ffs
[17:15] <natefinch> afk for 15-ish or so, sorry.  Kids need naps
[17:16] <sinzui> davecheney: the machine always had updates on, but the issue might be that trusty didn't officiall support ppc4el. Its packages come from ports.ubuntu.com
[17:16] <davecheney> natefinch: just emailed you the background
[17:17] <davecheney> actually no
[17:17] <davecheney> that was the wrong email thread
[17:19] <davecheney> natefinch: i cannot find it now
[17:19] <davecheney> but the summary was
[17:19] <davecheney> "no versions of our LTS release ship with a working gccgo, you must be using the updated versions from trusty-updates"
[17:22] <rogpeppe> davecheney: i'd appreciate a glance at https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/144 if you have a few moments.
[17:22]  * davecheney looks
[17:22] <davecheney> rogpeppe: safe flight back to blighty ?
[17:22] <rogpeppe> davecheney: yup, no probs at all
[17:22] <rogpeppe> davecheney: you still in US ?
[17:27]  * rogpeppe leaves
[17:55] <katco> wwitzel3: i'm ready to party.
[18:12] <wwitzel3> katco: ok, I'm running a bit behind, lots of plates spinning
[18:12] <katco> wwitzel3: np, lemme know when you're ready
[19:14] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[19:14] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[19:14] <alexisb> are you still working this bug w/ menno:
[19:14] <alexisb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1474606
[19:14] <mup> Bug #1474606: $set updates may clear out the env-uuid field <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1474606>
[19:15] <perrito666> alexisb: I added a fix for the original issue, but as I understand menn0 was working on some additional code to do a more general fix
[19:15] <alexisb> perrito666, ok
[19:16] <alexisb> sinzui, we are still blocked on 1474606
[19:16] <sinzui> alexisb: understood
[20:52] <mup> Bug #1475779 opened: EnsureJujudPassword fails if the registry keys are not present <juju-core:New for bteleaga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475779>
[21:45] <katco> jw4: hey didn't you do a relation state diagram at some point?
[21:53] <jw4> katco: yeah - a first pass
[21:53] <jw4> it should be in the docs folder
[21:54] <katco> jw4: do you remember where that is? i couldn't find it
[21:54] <katco> jw4: oh, hm. nothing jumped out at me there
[21:54] <jw4> katco: I think it's doc/uniter-model.txt
[21:55] <jw4> katco: pretty thin
[21:55] <katco> jw4: no worries, ty
[21:55] <jw4> :e
[21:55] <jw4> um... that was supposed to be :)
[21:55] <katco> jw4: haha thought you were in vim for sec
[21:56] <jw4> exactly
[22:35] <mbruzek> rick_h_: ping
[22:37] <mbruzek> I have a bundle question rick_h_


[02:48] <wallyworld> wgrant: i've created a master bug for that suspected lock timeout issue, and duped the 3 examples against that. i think those 3 should now be marked as High rather than Critical
[02:49] <wgrant> wallyworld: Well, if you duped them then it doesn't matter
[02:49] <wallyworld> the bug count still has not reduced - how often is it updated?
[02:50] <wgrant> wallyworld: On webnumbr.com? Hourly
[02:50] <wallyworld> no, in the lp portal
[02:50] <wgrant> You can see the last update time down the bottom
[02:50] <wgrant> Usually 7-10 past
[02:50] <wgrant> LP portal?
[02:50] <wgrant> Oh, the portlet?
[02:50] <wallyworld> yeah, that
[02:50] <wgrant> That drops immediately
[02:50] <wgrant> It says 245 for me, which is roughly correct given the privacy skew
[02:51] <nigelb> How do I commit a merge? I seem to have forgotten bzr.
[02:51] <wallyworld> i could have sworn that it was 244 before i duped
[02:51] <wgrant> nigelb: Same as any other change
[02:51] <wgrant> bzr commit
[02:51] <wallyworld> and it was 244 after
[02:51] <wallyworld> maybe new bugs were filed in the time it took me
[02:51] <wallyworld> or i misremembered the number
[02:51] <wgrant> It was 251 yesterday
[02:51] <wgrant> So it's decreased roughly the right amount
[02:52] <wgrant> I know that dupes aren't included in that count, cause I rewrote it 3 months ago
[02:52] <wallyworld> i was definately 24x before
[02:52] <wallyworld> anyway, doesn't really matter, was just curious
[02:53] <nigelb> Hrm. The history doesn't look right.
[02:53] <wgrant> nigelb: Oh?
[02:54] <nigelb> wgrant: Shouldn't it show me as the commiter only and the branch author as author?
[02:54] <wgrant> nigelb: Remember that 'bzr log' supresses sub-revisions of merges by default. If you give it -n0 it'll expand merges.
[02:54] <wgrant> nigelb: No
[02:54] <wgrant> nigelb: Only if you use --author
[02:54] <nigelb> ahh.
[02:54] <nigelb> Am I supposed to do that so that history isn't skewed?
[02:55] <nigelb> well, skewed is the wrong word.
[02:55] <nigelb> I meant. History wrongly credits me.
[02:55] <wgrant> No
[02:55] <wgrant> You're credited for the merge, 'cause you did the merge :)
[02:55] <wgrant> You can use --author if you wan
[02:55] <wgrant> t
[02:55] <nigelb> ah.
[02:55] <wgrant> But the original author is still credited for all the revisions under the merge
[02:55] <nigelb> launchpad will show the right author?
[03:04] <wgrant> nigelb: No
[03:05] <nigelb> :(
[04:48] <wgrant> We're now back to the start of Sep 2011 :)
[05:54] <cjwatson> Has everyone stopped using 'ec2 land' or something?
[05:54] <cjwatson> Yesterday I tried twice to land a branch and got unrelated test failures both times
[05:57] <cjwatson> lp.soyuz.browser.tests.test_archive_webservice.TestArchiveWebservice.test_getAllPermissions_constant_query_count (OK, that's pretty sensitive anyway, but damn sure the PCJ model and tests shouldn't affect it), and pgbouncer syntax errors in lp.services.webapp.tests.test_dbpolicy.TestFastDowntimeRollout.test_master_slave_fast_downtime_rollout and ...
[05:58] <cjwatson> ... lp.services.webapp.tests.test_dbpolicy.TestFastDowntimeRollout.test_slave_only_fast_downtime_rollout (WTF)
[05:59] <cjwatson> Should I just lp-land and hope?
[06:00] <stub> cjwatson: The pgbouncer syntax error is interesting - it would mean you are using an old version of pgbouncer.
[06:00] <stub> cjwatson: I have used ec2 recently just fine
[06:00] <cjwatson> It was complaining about the DISABLE command
[06:00] <cjwatson> And I didn't do anything special in ec2, just the defaults
[06:00] <stub> cjwatson: Perhaps you have an old ec2 image overriding the correct one?
[06:01] <stub> DISABLE command wgrant added to me. We are currently running a fork of pgbouncer until it gets merged upstream, packaged etc.
[06:01] <stub> And this is enforced in the -dependencies package
[06:02] <stub> c/to me/for me
[06:03] <cjwatson> Don't suppose the PPA and CAT are out of sync or something?
[06:04] <stub> There seem to be lots and lots of CAT archives. I do know we are running the fork on staging and production, and I'm pretty certain it was rebuilt with the same version number
[06:04] <cjwatson> Oh, haha, the second run got "Connection failed" when trying to install pgbouncer, but because we're using --force-yes it ignored that
[06:04] <cjwatson> I WARNED YOU
[06:05] <stub> cjwatson: If the tests pass locally, lp-land will be fine btw.
[06:05] <cjwatson> Yeah, I haven't run the whole suite but as I say I'm certain the PCJ model won't affect the archive webservice tests.  Will lp-land.
[06:06] <wgrant> cjwatson: When was that?
[06:06] <stub> and the fdt tests should certainly pass locally for you. query count tests are certainly fragile though, and can be broken in unexpected ways
[06:06] <wgrant> It was probably while haetae was off the network
[06:06] <wgrant> (and yes, most people have stopped using ec2 for 90% of stuff)
[06:07] <wgrant> wallyworld: Hm, your projectgroup changes earlier in the week have caused some performance regressions
[06:07] <stub> cjwatson: bzr lp-land doesn't run tests, it will go straight to buildbot to choke on.
[06:08] <wgrant> wallyworld: eg. HasAnnouncementsView.announcements materialises an unbounded set of announcements, causing eg. https://launchpad.net/+announcements/+announcements to time out
[06:08] <cjwatson> wgrant: around 19:45 UTC
[06:08] <wgrant> cjwatson: Right, that's around when stuff was broken
[06:09] <cjwatson> I'm vaguely tempted to make that query count test use like ten additions in the second run instead of one, and loosen the query count requirement just slightly
[06:09] <cjwatson> To account for minor auth differences
[06:10] <wgrant> Yeah
[07:25] <wallyworld> wgrant: i'll take a look
[13:06] <adeuring> jcsackett: could you please review this MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/productseries-sec-adapter/+merge/130305 ?
[13:51] <adeuring> deryck: could you please take a look at this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/productseries-sec-adapter/+merge/130305
[13:52] <deryck> adeuring, indeed
[13:52] <adeuring> thanks!
[13:57] <deryck> adeuring, my two branches that I'm trying to land add information_type to ProductSeries and Milestone via adaptation.  The approach conflicts with your approach here.
[13:58] <deryck> adeuring, mostly that the information_type property is not needed this way.
[13:58] <adeuring> deryck: ok. So, I'll merge your branch?
[13:58] <deryck> adeuring, yeah, I think so.  let me get the url for you….
[13:59] <deryck> adeuring, lp:~deryck/launchpad/series-information-type
[13:59] <adeuring> deryck: ack
[13:59] <deryck> adeuring, that is built on the milestone work.  so lots of changes, but they were reviewed separately.
[14:01] <abentley> deryck: We do have some examples of Union in the codebase.  It's only used about 6 times, though.
[14:02] <deryck> abentley, ah, cool.  Thanks for checking on that.
[14:02] <deryck> and yeah, I generally don't like using Union if it can be avoided.
[14:02] <rick_h_> cool, maybe I'll try to look at it real quick
[14:02] <jcsackett> adeuring: looking at yours now.
[14:03] <rick_h_> I hate having these rules defined multiple times
[14:03] <rick_h_> seems like a bug just waiting to get missed in some future tweak
[14:03] <wgrant> deryck, abentley: I'm a little concerned that we're seeing performance regressions across all views that respect blueprint privacy
[14:04] <wgrant> Because you're pushing new complex multi-level joins into these queries
[14:04] <wgrant> We avoided this in the bug and branch implementations by denormalising the access data
[14:04] <wgrant> The blueprint case is identical to the branch one
[14:04] <wgrant> So the branch implementation can be reused
[14:05] <deryck> wgrant, yeah, we have plans to focus just on performance after we hit beta.  and are saving denormalizing work until then.
[14:05] <deryck> wgrant, well, not *just* on performance.  but performance is one focus for us after beta.
[14:06] <deryck> wgrant, but thanks for the heads up about the branch implementation.
[14:06] <wgrant> It's a little worrying that we're knowingly regressing performance when it's roughly a day of work to fix it last week
[14:07] <deryck> how seriously are we regressing?  Are pages timing out?
[14:07] <deryck> adeuring, I'll wait on you to merge me before I review further, since it's worth reviewing the branch in the context of my work.
[14:07] <wgrant> We have a timeout exception for +specworkload which is no longer sufficient
[14:07] <adeuring> deryck: sure, nearly done.
[14:08] <wgrant> Anything that executes more than one specification-related query is likely to be a little sad now
[14:10] <deryck> wgrant, I don't see any timeout for +specworkload on lpnet.  Am I just overlooking it?
[14:10] <deryck> wgrant, timeout flag change, I mean.
[14:11] <wgrant> Huh, maybe it was removed and this just pushed it further over the edge of the default
[14:12] <deryck> wgrant, I understand your concerns, and appreciate that you wouldn't have approached it the way we are.  but I'm going to stick with the plan, and we can turn to performance stuff next week.
[14:12] <wgrant> But, in general, this is a very cheap change to make beforehand -- we have the code to do it, we know exactly the performance characteristics of both methods, and it's around a day of work to do
[14:12] <wgrant> OK
[14:12] <wgrant> I cannot agree with that, but OK :)
[14:12] <deryck> wgrant, I understand.  but hitting our milestones is very important to me.  and we don't have a day to spare right now.
[14:13] <wgrant> I understand that milestones are important
[14:13] <wgrant> But that makes about 9 critical regressions from this feature so far
[14:13] <wgrant> It's a bit worrying
[14:13] <deryck> wgrant, thanks for understanding.  but they're only worrying to me if they remain unfixed.  we're not releasing with those regressions.
[14:14] <deryck> wgrant, not final release I mean.
[14:14] <wgrant> They're critical because they're actively degrading Launchpad for non-beta users
[14:14] <deryck> wgrant, but we consciously allowed space for regressions along the way if we could move faster.
[14:14] <deryck> wgrant, hmmm, let me look at bugs then, I'm not aware of some of these, I bet.
[14:15] <wgrant> Ah, some of them are actually fixed now
[14:16] <wgrant> But there's still a number of private blueprint listing issues, plus the performance regression
[14:16] <wgrant> Hm, and one of them is incorrectly critical, since private projects aren't enabled on prod yet
[14:17] <adeuring> deryck: using IInforamtionType(productseries) leads to a permission problem: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1286974/
[14:17] <wgrant> Ah, nevermind, Aaron marked that one critical, so it's fine
[14:17] <wgrant> So not 9 any more, but still a few
[14:17] <wgrant> (that were predicted)
[14:18] <adeuring> deryck: I could use removeSecurityProxy(series).product but I don't like to do this outside tests...
[14:18] <deryck> wgrant, sure, but it's not as if we're not being sensitive to this.  we knew this could happen, but it has allowed us to move faster.  and in the most egregious cases, we've fixed them immediately...
[14:18] <deryck> wgrant, and we're committed to fix them all.
[14:18] <adeuring> erm, I mean IIformationType(removeSecProxy(series))
[14:18] <deryck> wgrant, so I respect that you would approach this differently, but please don't act as if we're being cavalier and not thinking about what we're doing here.
[14:19] <deryck> wgrant, we're making hard choices to try to finish this a month from now.  and sometimes we do let a critical bug through.  but we will fix them all.
[14:19] <deryck> adeuring, looking now...
[14:20] <deryck> adeuring, isn't that the XXX from abentley that you removed.  where he went info_type = productseries.product.information_type because adaptation didn't work.
[14:21] <adeuring> deryck: I think that was about another issue with the adaptation
[14:21] <adeuring> deryck: the permission problem is new
[14:23] <deryck> adeuring, ah right.  seems like I had something similar with milestone and a change in zcml to allow IInformationType fixed it.  but I could be recalling wrong.
[14:24] <adeuring> deryck: here, we would have to allow public access to productseries.product...
[14:24] <adeuring> well, let's, that _might_ be possible...
[14:26] <deryck> adeuring, hmm, are we sure the test is setup right?  maybe the unauthorized is accurate.  if you can view the product series you should be able to view to product.
[14:26] <deryck> adeuring, or maybe I'm misunderstanding what's happening.
[14:27] <adeuring> deryck: ah, right, we can login as the "right" user, that should fix the issue
[14:28] <abentley> adeuring: I'm not sure whether or not that's a symptom of same problem, because in my bug, adaptation did something evil to the Checker.
[14:29] <adeuring> abentley: well, is IInformationType(obj) supposed to provide all attributes of obj itself?
[14:30] <abentley> adeuring: No.
[14:30] <adeuring> abentley: sorry, mis-read your bug report.
[14:31] <adeuring> abentley, deryck: but then we two issues with IInfoType(obj)
[14:32] <adeuring> deryck: sees that my approach to simply implement InfoType in ProdcutSeries might be more reliable
[14:35] <deryck> adeuring, so it is easier/more reliable on one hand, but the view/ui work is easier with adaptation.  very little work to handle this with adaptation.
[14:35] <deryck> adeuring, are there other issues?  I didn't follow you a few lines back, or changing the test is sufficient?
[14:37] <adeuring> deryck: no, test works fine with a "with_person_logged_in()", but I am a bit concerned about the bug abentleyreported
[14:39] <deryck> adeuring, agreed.  but good lord, we have enough tests that anything worrying should be caught, I think. :)  Let's stay with adaptation and move ahead.
[14:39] <deryck> adeuring, and FWIW, I'm no fan of adaptation.  I think normal python properties are always better.  but in this case, it does help tie in to other parts of the system better.
[14:39] <adeuring> deryck: ok. I've pushed a new revision
[14:40] <deryck> adeuring, ok, cool, looking again.
[14:50] <abentley> deryck: I'm getting test failures on stable r16164.  Can you reproduce them? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1287026/
[14:51] <abentley> deryck: They also occurred on ec2, devel and my product-specifications-privacy branch.
[14:51] <deryck> abentley, ok, doesn't sound good. let me see….
[14:51] <wgrant> abentley: Were these from ec2 about 20 hours ago?
[14:52] <wgrant> You'll get them locally if you're running an old version of pgbouncer, and on ec2 if you started a run while ppa.launchpad.net was down 20ish hours ago
[14:52] <abentley> wgrant: 15 hours ago or so.
[14:53] <wgrant> abentley: Things were getting back to normal around then
[14:53] <wgrant> But this error basically means you couldn't talk to ppa.launchpad.net at the start of the run
[14:53] <wgrant> So I'd ignore it
[14:55] <abentley> wgrant: Okay, thanks.
[14:56] <wgrant> As for the local failure, apt-get upgrade should fix it
[14:56] <wgrant> Unless you're running something newer than lucid
[14:57] <abentley> wgrant: I'm running quantal, like a good little launchpad dev.
[14:57] <wgrant> Ah
[14:57] <abentley> wgrant: But I'd somehow missed restoring the launchpad ppa.
[14:57] <wgrant> I guess Blue's work made it a bit more feasible to run on 2.7
[14:58] <wgrant> abentley: I'm not sure if we have the patched pgbouncer for >lucid
[14:58] <wgrant> Oh, we do
[14:58] <abentley> wgrant: looks like.
[14:58] <wgrant> 1.5.2-2+lp2~24~quantal1
[14:58] <abentley> wgrant: And fixed.
[14:58] <wgrant> Great
[14:59] <deryck> abentley, so I don't see them locally, but I see wgrant helped sort it out.
[14:59] <abentley> deryck: Yup.  Thanks.
[15:02] <deryck> adeuring, sorry it's taking me a bit.  diff got huge with my branch. :)  Sorting through it all though.
[15:02] <deryck> adeuring, I still have a couple tests to fix in mine, too.  So not sure if you want to wait on me and re-merge.  or take your chances in ec2, too. :)
[15:03] <adeuring> deryck: right, there was a kind of a explosion in the diff size ;) And, right, I think I'll wait for your fixes
[15:03] <deryck> adeuring, shouldn't take me too long after the review.
[15:03] <adeuring> sounds good
[15:04] <deryck> mine branch was actually two branches originally, too. :)
[15:07] <deryck> adeuring, r=me.  good stuff, thanks!
[15:08] <adeuring> deryck: thanks :)
[15:08] <deryck> np!
[17:20] <rick_h_> deryck[lunch]: ping when you get back
[19:06] <abentley> deryck: chat?
[19:07] <deryck> abentley, sure.
[19:07] <deryck> abentley, meet you in the stand-up hangout.
[19:48] <abentley> deryck: The comment is the output of our chat: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1287627/
[19:49] <deryck> abentley, looking....
[19:51] <deryck> abentley, yeah, that looks right to me.
[19:53] <abentley> deryck: cool.
[19:55] <cr3> is there a way to get an archive of a private mailing list on launchpad?
[20:14] <maxb> WebOps have provided mboxes of public archives in the past - maybe file a question and see what they say?
[20:23] <czajkowski> cr3: if you file an answer on LP
[20:24] <czajkowski> we'll get web ops to look at it and see what it entails
[20:24] <cr3> czajkowski: will do, thanks
[20:37] <czajkowski> cr3: I#d say as a once off it'd be done but not on a regular basis
[20:38] <cr3> czajkowski: one off would be much appreciated, and I'll share with my team just in case it might interest them as well
[20:38] <czajkowski> nods
[20:38] <czajkowski> and then next time archive mail rahter than delete mail
[20:38] <czajkowski> mdz had a point about deleting mail :)
[20:39] <cr3> czajkowski: I never delete my personal mail though, just mailing list email
[20:39] <czajkowski> ah :/
[20:39] <jpds> People delete emails?
[20:40] <cr3> czajkowski: my process is partly based on the assumption that mailing lists use something like mailman where a tarball is always available
[20:40] <cr3> czajkowski: and I'm usually not interested in mailing lists that don't use mailman anyways, but the irony is that launchpad actually does use mailman in the backend :)
[20:41] <czajkowski> launchpad is unique :)
[23:07] <oalca_> anyone?
[23:07] <oalca_> im wondering,
[23:08] <oalca_> if somebody is working in a comment feature on diffs?
[23:08] <oalca_> not in the comment section, but the green/red highlighted sections of the diff
[23:16] <oalca__> i'm wondering, if somebody is working in a comment feature on diffs?, not in the comment section, but the green/red highlighted sections of the diff
[23:18] <oalca__> no?


[10:47] <r0xoR> amphi, i'll admit i'm lazy atm, i haven't googled or wiki'ed yet... just thought someone might have the link handy
[10:47] <bioSys> dli: ok thanks
[10:47] <Anusien> Bug Buddy just told me I'm running an outdated version of Ubuntu, but this is a brand new LiveDVD (less than 2 months old).
[10:47] <soundray> ubuntu, I don't know. Use it interactively: fdisk /dev/hda ; then 'n' for new partition, 't' for type (82),
[10:48] <soundray> ubuntu, w for write
[10:48] <r0xoR> sooo, anyone? i'm googling right now
[10:48] <soundray> r0xoR: that's plain rude
[10:48] <bioSys> dli: but, wait, its working with the default kernel, im here now
[10:48] <Nilvio> i need some help
[10:49] <rmlightning> amphi:  it found three others under /var/lib.../apt and /aptitude among them.  is it safe to delete them?
[10:49] <Nilvio> my wow lag very much
[10:49] <r0xoR> soundray, sorry to offend you...
[10:49] <serp> how do I get the Open Url thing in gnome-terminal to work with a new version of firefox?
[10:49] <Nilvio> because i need direct x how i install direct x ??
[10:49] <dli> bioSys, btw, are you sure it's the correct kernel you are booting?
[10:49] <r0xoR> soundray, expert mode is just an install thing right?
[10:49] <Tedd> how would I extract alsa-driver to my /usr/src folder?
[10:49] <ubuntu> soundray this is in live cd so i must be careful at root its a big mistake if i grt it wrong
[10:49] <Tedd> I can't use archive tool because of root and such.
[10:49] <r0xoR> like i just type "expert" when it says boot: y/n ?
[10:49] <bioSys> dli: yes, very shure
[10:49] <soundray> r0xoR: I'm not offended. Just to point out you're not increasing your chances of being helped.
[10:50] <salmiak_> Nilvio, what gfxcard do you have?
[10:50] <r0xoR> k
[10:50] <Nilvio> i have ati radeon 9600xt
[10:50] <amphi> rmlightning: yeah, if no package tools are running, I believe so
[10:50] <r0xoR> soundray, anyway, do you know if there is a document explaining the expert mode ubuntu process?
[10:50] <ompaul> r0xoR, unless you have a few years of linux behind you don't do expert :-)
[10:50] <soundray> ubuntu, yeah, be careful then...
[10:50] <amphi> r0xoR: experts need no docs ;)
[10:50] <r0xoR> ompaul, got more than a few years
[10:51] <r0xoR> amphi, hahah... no... n00bs who think they're experts need no docs :)
[10:51] <soundray> r0xoR: bet you have at least 20 ;)
[10:51] <r0xoR> soundray, naw, about 6
[10:51] <r0xoR> i've been a programmer for 12 though... good programmer... semi-informed linux admin
[10:51] <soundray> r0xoR: all I've seen about expert mode is on the pre-boot screens (Alt-F2 - F5)
[10:52] <salmiak_> ati...i'd bet it's the ati driver making the lag...ATi haven't released a good driver. I tried to get WoW to work on a Radeon 9700Pro. I had to give up. blarh
[10:52] <bioSys> dli: but I am wondering, when I download the kernel sources, and do a menuconfig, is the default settings the same as the settings in the default kernel package?
[10:52] <r0xoR> mmm, ok so no docs describing how to use it? that you know of?
[10:52] <Markus_> hi, everyone:i have just installed ubuntu everything goes right until i try to log in, then the screen freezes and the starting sound plays again and again and again..., can anybody help me?
[10:52] <ompaul> r0xoR, then its like a typical install before RH and SuSE got the gui
[10:52] <Nilvio> how i can get my wow work then
[10:52] <r0xoR> ompaul, or more like slack/debian/gentoo?
[10:52] <r0xoR> plz say it's not like gentoo :)
[10:52] <dli> bioSys, no, you have to go over menuconfig
[10:52] <Nilvio> it need direct x but i cant instal it
[10:52] <blazemonger> why is ist the prboom package crashes my computer?
[10:52] <ompaul> r0xoR, play with it if you must
[10:53] <thelsdj> is there a nice way to install older nvidia drivers in dapper? the 8576 ones don't appear to work but the 7667 from 5.10 work
[10:53] <blazemonger> can someone else testr the package out?
[10:53] <r0xoR> k
[10:53] <salmiak_> Nilvio, directx is windows only afaik
[10:53] <Nilvio> i know that
[10:53] <ompaul> r0xoR, frankly I see no need for it unless you got some "mad stuff" going on - typical server or whatever should not need it
[10:53] <Nilvio> but how i then get wow work in linux
[10:53] <Nilvio> i have wow installed
[10:53] <ompaul> !wow
[10:53] <ubotu> wow is, like, totally, To run WoW properly, Wine needs to be built from source https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorldofWarcraft and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingWineFromSource
[10:54] <bioSys> dli: ok, thanks for your help, Ill dive in to the menuconfig once again
[10:54] <M_Fatih> how can i mount my pcmca device.. i have a card reader. when i'm inserting my SD/MMC card, dmesg changes like this : [4303074.922000]  cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power.          [4303075.803000]  pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0             [4303075.803000]  pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0        how can i use/mount my card?
[10:54] <r0xoR> ompaul, mmmm... mad stuff... i need to custom compile three outside kernel modules and reconfigure scripts inside /etc/rc*.d
[10:54] <r0xoR> not sure if that qualifies as mad stuff
[10:54] <rmlightning> amphi: no package files are running.  i deleted all lock files.  and it still does the same thing when i open update manager :(
[10:54] <ompaul> r0xoR, not in my book
[10:54] <r0xoR> k
[10:54] <dli> bioSys, go over all steps
[10:55] <amphi> rmlightning: perhaps there's some other lock in /var/lock ?
[10:55] <iceman> wild and awsome OSX on a intel pc ..
[10:55] <amphi> rmlightning: hard for me to say, as I only use apt-get and dpkg
[10:55] <iceman> Full Apple OSX on a intel P4 2.8 ghz system
[10:56] <dli> bioSys, if you can still change, reiserfs is not a good choice, try jfs/ext3, or xfs, if you have UPS
[10:56] <iceman> this is a intel pc not an intel mac
[10:56] <amphi> iceman: ah...
[10:56] <Tedd> how would I extract alsa-driver to my /usr/src folder?
[10:56] <jak08> yea you can visit www.osx86project.org for more info on the pirated install on a normal pc
[10:56] <iceman> OSX86 project ... works
[10:57] <bioSys> dli: yes, I actually think ill do that
[10:57] <Tedd> I can't do it because of the permissions.
[10:57] <Nilvio> how i can install ati 9600xt drivers !!
[10:57] <rmlightning> amphi:  thanks for your help.  i will try to get help elsewhere.  thanks for your time thoiugh
[10:57] <MystaMax> hello, I'm installing ubuntu on a Dell PE2850 w/ a hardware RAID5 configured, and received the following error:  The install cannot figure out how to install the base system. No installable CD-ROM was found and no valid mirror was configured. ANY IDEAS???
[10:57] <iceman> kind of cool ..
[10:57] <MystaMax> but my CD-ROM was present, its a ShipIT CD I received.
[10:57] <amphi> rmlightning: sorry it didn't help
[10:58] <Nilvio> where i can download 9600xt drivers and how i install it ?
[10:58] <captine> RandolphCarter: sorry to bother again.  Befor i install 32 bit, when i previously tried, installation wouldnt work without includeing "noapic" and "nolapic" commands.  i have googled those words, and don't fully understand what they are for?
[10:58] <amphi> !fglrx
[10:58] <ubotu> fglrx is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:58] <rmlightning> no prob.  not your fault.  i appreciatet the help
[10:58] <amphi> Nilvio: ^^^
[10:58] <captine> RandolphCarter: is it ok to install it like that?
[10:58] <jak08> that site will tell you what hardware works and what doesn't it is kinda indepth , on the recod they only help the beta people but they tell you where to get the pirated versions and stuff
[10:58] <amphi> rmlightning: apt-get should work now though
[10:59] <MystaMax> any comments on my question?
[10:59] <merriam> MystaMax: does it mean the drive?
[10:59] <ubuntu> soundray:its not as eay as it looks fdisk is asking for start and end details
[10:59] <MystaMax> merriam: I dont think so, it created the Partitions just fine
[11:00] <merriam> MystaMax: by the way, the ShipIT cd is presumably 5.10, and nearly out of date.
[11:00] <ompaul> captine, wiki.ubuntu.com/BootOptions
[11:01] <merriam> MystaMax: can you see the contents of the cd at that point?
[11:01] <captine> ompaul: thanks
[11:01] <MystaMax> merriam: yes, but its a stable release and I have no intentions of running Dapper soon.
[11:01] <MystaMax> merriam: what do u mean by your last comment
[11:02] <merriam> MystaMax: do you know how to start a shell and list the contents of the cd?
[11:02] <merriam> MystaMax: ah, but it perhaps hasn't got to the stage where you can do that.
[11:02] <MystaMax> merriam: no it hasnt
[11:02] <paniq> hum
[11:02] <serp> how can I access the universe repository with apt-get?
[11:02] <MystaMax> I'm attempting to install ubuntu
[11:03] <MystaMax> should I bring the CD back to my desktop and try to read from it?
[11:03] <paniq> my girlfriend has another problem: she cant access her windows partition because only root may access it. is there a convenient way for her to fix that problem?
[11:03] <Madpilot> serp, you need to edit your sources.list
[11:03] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell serp about sources
[11:03] <FatalFury> does anyone know what to type to log into the mysql root in the terminal?
[11:03] <FatalFury> i have the root password set
[11:03] <voraistos> paniq: why didnt u mount it during install ?
[11:04] <ubuntu> hi
[11:04] <captine> ompaul: that site just gives a description, not a work around/fix for the problem.  any other links that you know of that deal with this?
[11:04] <MystaMax> fatalfury: you may want to ask this in the #mysql channels
[11:04] <serp> Madpilot: thanks
[11:04] <voraistos> paniq: this way it works automatically
[11:04] <FatalFury> oh ok
[11:04] <paniq> voraistos: it is mounted, but initially belongs to the user root.
[11:04] <paniq> voraistos: she has no access rights as user.
[11:04] <ompaul> paniq, chown herusername:herusername /themountpoint
[11:05] <MystaMax> FatalFury: but its , mysql -u -p -h
[11:05] <Cattack> How do I install HPLIP in ubuntu?
[11:05] <paniq> ompaul: not while its mounted
[11:05] <Cattack> I have an inkjet printer that requires it
[11:05] <voraistos> paniq: strange, i had it available automatically, with no sudo
[11:05] <MystaMax> -u username -p password -h hostname
[11:05] <Madpilot> Cattack, thru Synaptic
[11:05] <ompaul> paniq, umount /themountpoint
[11:05] <_jason> !info hplip
[11:05] <ubotu> hplip: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (hplip) - GUI), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 508 kB
[11:05] <Tedd> how would I extract alsa-driver.tar.bz2 to my /usr/src folder?
[11:05] <dli> Cattack, sudo apt-get install hplip
[11:05] <Madpilot> Cattack, you'll need to enable the Universe repository, if you haven't already
[11:05] <ompaul> paniq, the right way to do it is system administration disks
[11:05] <merriam> MystaMax: I think it's the drive -- it's a hardware compatibility problem.
[11:05] <Cattack> How do I do that Madpilot
[11:05] <rmlightning> amphi:  heh.  apt-get doesn't work now either.  it says 'Could not open lock file'
[11:06] <FatalFury> mystamax, its mysql -u
[11:06] <ubuntu> how to create a swap partition in relation to for examle hda1 the partition for swap is on hda2 is 1 gig for 768 MB of RAM is that uk
[11:06] <Cattack> I normally use yum (as I am from the FC world)
[11:06] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Cattack about universe
[11:06] <voraistos> paniq: i dont remember where you can automount stuff, but mabe your /mnt dir is not chmoded for her ?
 paniq, the right way to do it is system administration disks
[11:06] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Cattack about synaptic
[11:06] <Paul159190> oh crap, what video driver should l use for a generic video card, l am trying the live cd and its asking me which one, shall l use fbdev????
[11:06] <Madpilot> Cattack, see the two msgs the bot just sent you for details
[11:06] <merriam> MystaMax: see this fix on debian:  http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2005/07/msg00377.html
[11:06] <MystaMax> FatalFury: then how do you submit a pass?
[11:06] <ompaul> paniq, it is the menu - and as we are at cross purposes there I leave it
[11:07] <Cattack> so there is no yum for ubuntu?
[11:07] <paniq> ompaul: allright, thx
[11:07] <Cattack> *besides apt-get
[11:07] <Xenguy> Cattack: synaptic (you don't want yum)
[11:07] <FatalFury> mystamax, thats what i want to know
[11:07] <amphi> rmlightning: that's strange - you didn't delete the directory?
[11:07] <Cattack> ok, thanks for the information
[11:07] <Madpilot> Cattack, there's apt-get, and Synaptic is the graphical front-end to apt-get
[11:08] <MystaMax> merriam: thanks for the link i will read shortly and get back to you
[11:08] <voraistos> ompaul: now u have said it, i am just realizing i have never been there !!!!! (the disk admin panel!)
[11:08] <MystaMax> Fatalfury: lets say a user was created w/in mysql w/ username: max and pass: 1234
[11:08] <FatalFury> mystamax, i get this error in console ERROR 1045: Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: NO)
[11:08] <FatalFury> kk
[11:08] <MystaMax> Fatalfury: you'd log in w/ mysql -u max -p
[11:08] <MystaMax> and then it'd ask you for a password
[11:08] <MystaMax> you typed the masked pass and you should login
[11:09] <MystaMax> but if you just installed mysql for the first time
[11:09] <FatalFury> oh ok
[11:09] <MystaMax> the install is very insecure
[11:09] <orangey> hey all!
[11:09] <amphi> rmlightning: do 'cd /var/lib/dpkg; sudo touch lock' and try apt-get again
[11:09] <orangey> what does scim do?
[11:09] <dli> orangey, XIM input
[11:09] <orangey> dli: for what?
[11:09] <orangey> dli: I'm trying to figure out what to use this thing for..
[11:09] <MystaMax> Fatal: does that make sense?
[11:10] <FatalFury> when i type the pass in it tells me that ERROR 1049: Unknown database 'mypass'
[11:10] <ubuntu> ompaul: still got loads to do!!!!!!!!!!
[11:10] <nemik> hi, does anyone else get crashes from opening totem play? sometimes gnome completely crashes my laptop and i have to restart
[11:10] <MystaMax> what exactly did you type @ terminal
[11:10] <FatalFury> sudo mysql -u root -p mypass
[11:11] <FatalFury> wait i got it
[11:11] <MystaMax> no sudo
[11:11] <FatalFury> no its no mypass
[11:11] <MystaMax> yes
[11:11] <MystaMax> i was trying to explain that to u :)
[11:11] <Nilvio> enyone can give mee link ati radeon 9600 drivers
[11:11] <FatalFury> k thnx
[11:11] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell Nilvio about ati
[11:12] <amphi> !tell Nilvio about fglrx
[11:12] <MystaMax> Fatal: read this http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/default-privileges.html
[11:13] <edge> does the Ubuntu have a live cd that supports RT2500 (wireless driver)
[11:13] <Cattack> Do I need to reconfigure the timeouts and such?
[11:13] <Cattack> I am unluckey enough to have dialup.
[11:13] <FatalFury> kk thanks for the help
[11:13] <rmlightning> amphi:  i did what you suggested but it still says the same thing
[11:13] <MystaMax> marriam: how did you come across that link you sent me?
[11:14] <SAM_theman> Please Guys help me
[11:14] <SAM_theman> My Sound isn't working in my games either my mic
[11:14] <SAM_theman> who has skype
[11:14] <voraistos> try to launch your games with sudo
[11:14] <SAM_theman> i did
[11:14] <voraistos> i have skype
[11:14] <SAM_theman> let me try it again
[11:15] <SAM_theman> "sudo et"
[11:15] <voraistos> yea
[11:15] <voraistos> should work
[11:15] <FreshPrince> jemand der zuflligerweise auch gentoo benutzt?
[11:15] <voraistos> that is how i do
[11:15] <Madpilot> !de
[11:15] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[11:15] <ompaul> SAM_theman, please stop using the enter key in the place of a comma, thanks
[11:15] <ompaul> !skype
[11:15] <ubotu> [skype]  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[11:15] <SAM_theman> not working still
[11:15] <voraistos> strange
[11:16] <bbrazil> voraistos: *shudder*
[11:16] <voraistos> hum... are u using alsa mixing ?
[11:16] <ompaul> SAM_theman, did you turn on your mic? try alsamixer and make sure nothing is "muted"
[11:16] <voraistos> bbrazil: shudder? what does that mean?
[11:16] <SAM_theman> yes
[11:16] <SAM_theman> all i did
[11:17] <bbrazil> voraistos: that using root to play games is a bad idea
[11:17] <voraistos> yea
[11:17] <SAM_theman> My mic works to because it works on windows which i hardly use
[11:17] <voraistos> but thats the only way
[11:17] <amphi> rmlightning: are you sure no other package program is running? try ps aux | less and see
[11:17] <ompaul> voraistos, it means that he disapproves of you doing that
[11:17] <bbrazil> voraistos: could you run 'id'?
[11:17] <SAM_theman> i even when hear
[11:17] <SAM_theman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=653625
[11:18] <voraistos> bbrazil: for et, i have to sudo it to get sound
[11:18] <ompaul> SAM_theman, try ringing "echo123", it is the way to test skype
[11:19] <SAM_theman> and just to tell u my comp is brand new about 2-3 months old
[11:19] <bbrazil> voraistos: It is highly likely that there's another way
[11:19] <AngryElf> how come when i've done "sudo -i" i frequently get "Gtk-WARNING  **: cannot open display"?   how do i let root run these apps?
[11:19] <voraistos> bbrazil: what is id for ? what info do u need ?
[11:19] <bbrazil> voraistos: it'll tell me what groups you are in
[11:19] <SAM_theman> Amd 3800+ X2 Daul Core and 1GB ram...
[11:19] <voraistos> i paste it here
[11:19] <voraistos> uid=1000(benjamin) gid=1000(benjamin) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),105(scanner),106(admin),1000(benjamin)
[11:20] <kingspawn> AngryElf: gksudo
[11:20] <SAM_theman> problem with sound device
[11:20] <bbrazil> voraistos: ls -ls /dev/dsp ?
[11:21] <ompaul> bbrazil, they are right for ubuntu
[11:21] <Madpilot> AngryElf, rather than "sudo -i", just do "sudo name-of-app" - see if that works better
[11:21] <voraistos> 0 crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2006-05-06 13:59 /dev/dsp
[11:21] <voraistos> i dont like the root word
[11:21] <AngryElf> kingspawn, gksudo app still gives the same problem
[11:21] <AngryElf> Madpilot, it occurs both ways
[11:21] <bbrazil> voraistos: it just means that root owns the device, quite normal
[11:21] <voraistos> yea, so what do i do ?
[11:21] <Madpilot> AngryElf, odd - no idea what's up, then - not a problem I've had (yet)...
[11:22] <bbrazil> voraistos: sudo strace et 2>&1 | fgrep open
[11:23] <bbrazil> voraistos: that'll give a list of every file that et uses, I'm interested in anything in /dev
[11:23] <ompaul> voraistos, start the game in a terminal with no "sudo" and take the output and put it in a pastebin (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org) and let us know what url it is
[11:23] <nemik> so how would i find what hard-drive name is tied to what in /dev? like the grub menu needs to know hd0,0 or something like that but all i know is that it is hde, what does it translate to?
[11:23] <mythica> hi guys
[11:23] <mythica> I am having some weird issues with my Xserver
[11:23] <mythica> _X11TransSocketINETConnect() can't get address for localmachine:6000: Name or service not known
[11:23] <mythica> can someone offer me some advice?
[11:24] <amphi> nemik: hde is (hd4) to grub
[11:24] <RandolphCarter> localmachine? seems a bit odd
[11:24] <RandolphCarter> check your /etc/hosts file
[11:24] <salmiak_> localhost? :/
[11:24] <nemik> amphi, thanks a lot, i'll give it a shot!
[11:24] <mythica> ok
[11:24] <rmlightning> amphi:  i did what you asked and i do not see any others open.
[11:24] <voraistos> bbrazil, ompaul : list was too long.terminal croped it. no /dev
[11:25] <mythica> <IP_ADDRESS> localhost.localdomain localhost mythicness
[11:25] <bbrazil> voraistos: add a grep /dev to the end of that command
[11:25] <RandolphCarter> mythica: hmm, if this is something you're typing in, you should use 'localhost' instead of 'localmachine'
[11:25] <shion> t' es la
[11:25] <mythica> what should i try change?
[11:25] <amphi> rmlightning: you running apt-get with sudo??
[11:25] <mythica> RandolphCarter, ok, but i cant even add hosts using xhost:
[11:25] <RandolphCarter> if it's something magical, just add a line in /etc/hosts '<IP_ADDRESS> localmachine'
[11:25] <voraistos> wait up, i am boosting my thing
[11:25] <amphi> voraistos: stop that ;)
[11:25] <voraistos> why ?
[11:26] <RandolphCarter> mythica: adding that line to hosts is a bit of a hack, but it's the quickest way to fix it
[11:26] <Cattack> I am havin gan interesting thing with printing.    It is printing the same job over and over again endlessly until I cancel it
[11:26] <rmlightning> you know.  i don't remember.  let me try it again and make sure
[11:26] <wizzlefish> what is the easiest way to install Mozilla Thunderbird?
[11:27] <mythica> huh? so i should add "localmachine" to my hosts file?
[11:27] <merriam> MystaMax: google.  You misspelled my nick, so I didn't get notified.  -->  May 06 21:13:54 <MystaMax>	marriam: how did you come across that link you sent me?
[11:27] <mythica> wizzlefish, apt-get install thunderbird?
[11:27] <mythica> wizzlefish, search for the package using apt-cache search
[11:27] <SAM_theman> see this is what i get
[11:27] <SAM_theman> http://pastebin.com/702525
[11:27] <RandolphCarter> mythica: I can imagine that'll fix it, yes
[11:27] <mythica> RandolphCarter, k lemme try
[11:27] <wizzlefish> thanks mythica
[11:28] <RandolphCarter> mythica: it's complaining it can't resolve 'localmachine', not sure why, but then I'm not sure what you're doing :)
[11:28] <Cattack> How do I make the print queue work correctly and only send 1 copy of jobs to the printer?
[11:28] <bbrazil> SAM_theman: sudo /dev/MAKEDEV dsp
[11:28] <bimberi> wizzlefish: you can also use Synaptic (System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager)
[11:29] <SAM_theman> /dev/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "dsp"
[11:29] <voraistos> bbrazil: open("/dev/dsp", O_RDWR)                = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy)
[11:29] <voraistos> write(2, "Could not open /dev/dsp\n", 24Could not open /dev/dsp
[11:29] <wizzlefish> oh wait, Thunderbird IS installed
[11:29] <rmlightning> amphi:  i wasn't.  when i did it started to work until i get this error about 10 sec into it 'E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.'
[11:29] <amphi> rmlightning: so do 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:29] <wizzlefish> I just can't find the directory where Thunderbird is
[11:29] <mythica> xhost:  unable to open display "localmachine:0.0"
[11:29] <mythica> still getting it
[11:30] <RandolphCarter> ahh, that's a different error completely
[11:30] <RandolphCarter> xhost + :)
[11:30] <mythica> 64 bytes from localhost.localdomain (<IP_ADDRESS>): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.063 ms
[11:30] <amphi> SAM_theman: here, /dev/dsp is just a symlink to /dev/dsp0
[11:30] <Howitzer> Does anybody know of a way to convert .rm (realmedia files) to .wmv / .avi ?
[11:30] <mythica> I did
[11:30] <RandolphCarter> waa
[11:30] <RandolphCarter> echo, echo $DISPLAY
[11:30] <mythica> k
[11:30] <Senilix> Howitzer: mencoder?
[11:30] <mythica> localmachine:0.0
[11:30] <SAM_theman> /dev/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "dsp0"
[11:30] <Howitzer> Senilix, ty
[11:30] <RandolphCarter> export DISPLAY=:0
[11:31] <Paul159190> hi guys what is the video driver l should be using with a generic video card with ubuntu????????????????????
[11:31] <mythica> ok i did that
[11:31] <mythica> what does "export DISPLAY=:0" do exactly :p
[11:32] <RandolphCarter> try running it again I guess :)
[11:32] <mythica> ok i see it reset my $DISPLAY ?
[11:32] <RandolphCarter> it tells X programs where to look for an xserver
[11:32] <RandolphCarter> kinda
[11:32] <amphi> SAM_theman: then use mknod - it's char device, major 14 minor 3 owned by root:audio, perms 660
[11:32] <mythica> xhost produces: "access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect"
[11:32] <mythica> sweet
[11:32] <mythica> thanks RandolphCarter
[11:32] <voraistos> Paul159190: why not the vga driver ?
[11:32] <RandolphCarter> np's :)
[11:32] <mythica> now i just run xhost +localhost ?
[11:32] <mythica> and remove localmachine from hosts file
[11:33] <RandolphCarter> I usually just do xhost +, but yeah, that should work
[11:33] <rmlightning> amphi: i think it worked.  do i just have to type in 'sudo apt-get update'?
[11:33] <Paul159190> tried  vga it didn't work, tried fbdev too that didn't work :S
[11:33] <Paul159190> theres so many l dont want to try each one it will take me hours! :S
[11:33] <RandolphCarter> I'd check your bashrc and profile files for DISPLAY=localmachine:0 though, that variable can't have been set by chance
[11:33] <voraistos> strange
[11:33] <bbrazil> voraistos: that's a bit odd - something else is using the soundcard
[11:33] <mythica> eleeet, its all sorted
[11:33] <SAM_theman> http://pastebin.com/702537
[11:33] <mythica> RandolphCarter, Thanks man
[11:33] <RandolphCarter> mythica: np's man :)
[11:33] <amphi> rmlightning: yeah
[11:33] <voraistos> bbrazil: yeah, i wonder what it is ?!
[11:33] <SAM_theman> how i use the mknod?
[11:34] <amphi> SAM_theman: man mknod explains the syntax
[11:34] <bbrazil> voraistos: you can use lsof to find out
[11:34] <dli> SAM_theman, why do you need mknod?
[11:34] <voraistos> bbrazil; how can i know what uses the soundcard ? yep, thx for the answer before the question ;)
[11:34] <SAM_theman> cause amphi said so
[11:34] <Paul159190> so can anybody recommend a generic video driver apart from fbdev or vga
[11:35] <voraistos> bbrazil: hmmmmm list seems long
[11:35] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: run 'lspci' in a terminal
[11:35] <bbrazil> voraistos: give it /dev/dsp as an argument
[11:35] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and put the link into chat
[11:35] <Paul159190> how, l'm using a live cd, l don't get chance 2 get to a terminal :(
[11:35] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: yes you do
[11:36] <Paul159190> plz explain noob style, l have done suse on other machines but this is got me confused
[11:36] <mythica> I have my gfx card outputting to tv, but as soon as X starts the tv's display goes blank
[11:36] <voraistos> bbrazil: firefox-b 8929 benjamin   36w   CHR   14,3      7087 /dev/dsp
[11:36] <voraistos> bbrazil ????????????????
[11:36] <FatalFury> does anyone know how to copy files to your root file system?
[11:36] <bbrazil> voraistos: probably flash
[11:36] <mythica> is it cos the res's / refresh rates are wrong?
[11:36] <voraistos> bbrazil; flash doesnt work on my computer
[11:37] <rmlightning> amphi:  that didn't work, but when i clicked on update manager after doing that dpkg configure thing it worked.  thanks tons for all the help.  my updates are installing now
[11:37] <Paul159190> lm just choosing another driver, it will probably fail so l'll get the error up and type in to that link u gave me
[11:37] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: select 'Applications->Accessories->Terminal'
[11:37] <bbrazil> voraistos: on my system it'd be flash ;)
[11:37] <voraistos> lol
[11:37] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: no, that would be nowhere near as useful as the lspci output
[11:37] <voraistos> but with alsa i thougt it was possible to have multiple sound users ?
[11:37] <ompaul> Paul159190, well there is vesa as one card option,
[11:37] <Paul159190> how can l run that program when the machine isn't even booted into a graphics thing
[11:38] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: ahhh, sorry, just run lspci
[11:38] <tobberman> hi there.. i got a problem with dualboot.. got winxp along with ubuntu.. installed xp first and it works fine when i choose it from grub.. but ubuntu doesnt work.. it gives me a error message.. /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off
[11:38] <bbrazil> voraistos: you on amd64 that doesn't support flash?
[11:38] <tobberman> anyone that can help me? i have googled it..
[11:38] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: type it in :) have a look for anything that says 'Multimedia video controller'
[11:38] <voraistos> bbrazil: its working ?!!!!!!!!! and no, i am on k7 kernel, and flash doesnt wnna work for some reason.
[11:38] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: or 'VGA compatible controller'
[11:39] <ompaul> voraistos, how did you try to install flash?
[11:39] <Paul159190> lol l think your missing the point randolph, l'm starting up off a live cd, it doesn't make it to the desktop, it gets to driver selection with the blue screen and then goes to the yellow ubuntu loading thing, then it kernels
[11:39] <voraistos> bbrazil: but no worries about that, i really screwed my system, i am thinking about a reinstall
[11:39] <FatalFury> does anyone know how to copy files to your root file system????
[11:39] <Paul159190> l cant load a program , theres no terminal or nothing... :S
[11:39] <voraistos> bbrazil: i tried absolutly everything
[11:39] <nemik> amphi, so hde2 would be hd1,1 on grub?
[11:39] <voraistos> bbrazil: lots of people helped me here, but there was just no way
[11:39] <nemik> i can't get it to boot
[11:39] <ompaul> voraistos, tell you what get the box up and running and come in here before you mod anytyhing
[11:40] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: I'm not missing the point.  I need to see what graphics card you're using to tell you which driver to use
[11:40] <AlmtyBob> I installed ubuntu last night and X started just fine, but now this morning when I boot it up it went through some package install routine again
[11:40] <ompaul> voraistos, just as a matter of interest how did you try to install flash? did you use some tool?
[11:40] <AlmtyBob> and now X doesn't load, bitches about not finding a mouse even though it's plugged in and is a working mouse
[11:40] <tobberman> can i force the live cd to write in a file on the harddrive?
[11:40] <FatalFury> no one knows the answer to my question?
[11:40] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: lspci shows you all the cards plugged into your computer, do you follow?
[11:40] <merriam> FatalFury: in what situation?
[11:40] <voraistos> ompaul; yes, and then no, and then no again
[11:40] <AlmtyBob> how can I have X try to find my mouse again if I plug it straight into USB instead of using the adaptor?
[11:40] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: oh, try pressing Ctl+F1 first
[11:41] <Paul159190> yes l do but l cant run that when lm in a command line etc
[11:41] <FatalFury> copy some files to the www folder
[11:41] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: yes, you can, it's a command line app.  type in 'lspci' and press return
[11:41] <slackern> tobberman: how do you mean? you want to edit a file on the harddrive from the livecd?
[11:41] <Paul159190> but theres nowhere to type that!
[11:41] <voraistos> ompaul: i tried to use some tool, everybody was talking about it, and it just screwed everything
[11:41] <bbrazil> voraistos: automatix?
[11:41] <FatalFury> merrian: is there a sudo command for coppying or something?
[11:41] <ompaul> voraistos, did it begin with the letter A ?
[11:41] <merriam> FatalFury: sudo cp files/ /var/www/
[11:41] <voraistos> ompaul: yyyyeeeessssssss
[11:41] <Paul159190> its just gone to 'failed to start x server (your graphical interface). it is like not set up correctly. etc'
[11:41] <slide> For some reason Rhythmbox won't import any of my music except ogg, what sound engine does it use so I can install the right codecs?
[11:41] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: press Ctl+F1, and you just said you were at a command line :/
[11:42] <FatalFury> kk
[11:42] <merriam> FatalFury: sudo cp -a files/ /var/www/
[11:42] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: ahh, keep hitting 'no'
[11:42] <amphi> nemik: yes
[11:42] <ompaul> voraistos, okay, let me help you here, reinstall don't use that tool :-/
[11:42] <tobberman> slackern: i use the live cd to try to find the problem with my dual boot.. i have mounted the harddrive.. i want to change the grub boot file.. can i do that through the live cd?
[11:42] <Paul159190> do that, it goes to a black screen
[11:42] <voraistos> ompaul: i knew that
[11:42] <Jowi> slide: gstreamer
[11:42] <Paul159190> then it needs manual restart..
[11:42] <slide> Jowi, ty
[11:42] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: it shouldn't be completely blank.  do you have a prompt?
[11:42] <Paul159190> nope
[11:42] <Paul159190> it just goes black
[11:42] <Paul159190> see its the graphics driver l just need to go thru the list 2 get 2 one, its the only way :S
[11:43] <nemik> amphi, thank you. and is the 'makeactive' option needed in grub to make an XP partition boot?
[11:43] <slackern> tobberman: You could mount the harddrive and edit the file there
[11:43] <RandolphCarter> Paul159190: hmm :/ this doesn't sound much like ubuntu, but go with it.  you will need to find out what card you have first, and pressing Ctl+f1/Ctl+f2 should get you to a terminal
[11:43] <fsancho> hi all
[11:43] <ompaul> voraistos, reinstall come back to us and don't use that thing again
[11:43] <Paul159190> got a console
[11:43] <Paul159190> ok trying
[11:43] <FatalFury> merrian: it didnt work when i typed this sudo cp -a folder i want to copy/ /var/www/
[11:44] <tobberman> i have the harddrive mounted right now.. and i look in the menu.lst file on the harddrive.. but i cant change anything and it says read only..
[11:44] <Paul159190> ok
[11:44] <voraistos> ompaul; the thing is, for some reason, my gnome is all f*cked, i have no task bar or switch button, flash and other things dont really work, but thats cool since i can play et and do a few other things. i am just waiting for the next ubuntu version
[11:44] <Paul159190> it says '/bin/sh: lspci: not found'
[11:44] <amphi> nemik: I wouldn't know about xp
[11:44] <merriam> FatalFury: in this case the directory is owned by root.  That doesn't make it a "root filesystem", or part of one.  You might want to "sudo chown fatalfury.fatalfury /var/www/mydir" to make a directory yours instead of root's.
[11:44] <lecaros> hi
[11:44] <sagarp> how can i find out what process is using my soudn card?
[11:45] <ompaul> voraistos, you could reinstall in 25 minutes update to dapper follow the beta and have a better box
[11:45] <slackern> tobberman: you must mount the partition with read/write option and have permissions to edit the file
[11:45] <AlmtyBob> I switched from a PS2 to USB mouse and now X won't load, how I can reconfigure X so it finds my mouse?
[11:45] <merriam> FatalFury: what did it say when you did that cp?
[11:45] <amphi> nemik: is that equiv to setting the 'bootable' flag?
[11:45] <lecaros> I can't run gdmsetup ( on Breezy -->> dapper beta2 )
[11:45] <nemik> amphi, yea me neither...not a fan of it but have to get it working for this
[11:45] <voraistos> ompaul: but thing is its beta.
[11:45] <slackern> tobberman: have you tried using 'su' to edit the file? 'su nano -w filename'
[11:45] <_jason> AlmtyBob: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <nemik> amphi, i have no clue what it is, i'll check out the forums
[11:45] <amphi> nemik: windows used to need that, in the olden days
[11:45] <FatalFury> merrian: it said cp: cannot stat `folder/': No such file or directory
[11:45] <AlmtyBob> thanks
[11:45] <tobberman> slackern: no i will try that now
[11:45] <ompaul> lecaros, please take that to #ubuntu+1 the dapper channel
[11:45] <merriam> FatalFury: if you use my name correctly, I'll see your reply more quickly.
[11:45] <voraistos> ompaul: i have dual display with 1280*960 and 144*900, i dont wanna screw that, it was difficult to set up
[11:46] <Ohzie> What's the best kernel to be using for a Dothan
[11:46] <Ohzie> ?
[11:46] <lecaros> oops , sorry. Thanks anyway
[11:46] <ompaul> voraistos, and 100:1 odds it would be a better performance machine
[11:46] <MystaMax> merriam what IRC client are u using?
[11:46] <biovore> Ohzie: probably 686
[11:46] <merriam> FatalFury: use tab completion when typing the name of the folder.
[11:46] <merriam> MystaMax: xchat
[11:46] <voraistos> ompaul: what does it mean? (sorry i am foreigner!)
[11:46] <mmx> hello  gow i take  kde   in   ubuntu
[11:46] <mmx> how
[11:47] <_jason> mmx: you want to install kde?
[11:47] <FatalFury> merriam: oops sorry
[11:47] <MystaMax> mmx: download kubuntu
[11:47] <voraistos> with kubuntu
[11:47] <amphi> nemik: just try booting without 'makeactive' perhaps, and try with it if that fails; it won't do any harm either way
[11:47] <Flannel> mmx: install the kubuntu-desktop package
[11:47] <mmx> i want the  default kde  not  the  change
[11:47] <nemik> yea i tried both
[11:47] <ompaul> voraistos, we are all, :-)  -- if you use the beta it would be better working than the broken box you now have :-)
[11:47] <_jason> mmx: what do you mean by ``the change''?
[11:48] <mmx> kubuntu make  changes  in  kde
[11:48] <biovore> mmx: you will have to manual install kdebase and kde* stuff to do that
[11:48] <amphi> nemik: is windows confused about where it is? if so, perhaps you need grubs 'map' option
[11:48] <voraistos> ompaul; when do i download, install the beta ?
[11:48] <voraistos> where*
[11:48] <nemik> amphi, yea that could be the case. i'll look up the map option then
[11:48] <FatalFury> merriam: this happened sudo chown myname.myname /var/www/mydir
[11:48] <FatalFury> chown: cannot access `/var/www/mydir': No such file or directory
[11:48] <amphi> nemik: BTW, info grub is much more revealing than man grub; pinfo is a lynx-like info browser, in case you hate info ;)
[11:48] <ompaul> voraistos, you have two choices you can install the CD from today, and just start there, or you can do breezy and work from there
[11:49] <nemik> cool, thanks!
[11:49] <ompaul> voraistos, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[11:49] <fsancho> i want to compile a 2.6.16 kernel for ubuntu, anyone knows what is the usual kernel patch set that is applied to ubuntu kernels?
[11:49] <nagi> hello to all
[11:49] <merriam> FatalFury: tab completion again.  The directory must exist first.
[11:49] <_jason> acp azureus
[11:49] <FatalFury> merriam: wait i got it
[11:49] <FatalFury> merriam: thanks
[11:49] <biovore> fsancho: there isn't on for 2.6.16 yet
[11:49] <merriam> FatalFury: the quic way to do that is "sudo mkdir [ALT-.] ".
[11:50] <biovore> fsancho: just use your old .config file and make changes from there..
[11:50] <voraistos> ompaul: thx
[11:50] <ompaul> voraistos, thank bbrazil he tried more than I did :-)
[11:50] <iamcitizen> I am trying to install Ubuntu on my new Acer Aspire 3000 Series laptop. It boots from the disc, and loads the first screen, but when I try to install, it loads the kernel, then just sits there, with a blank screen.
[11:50] <voraistos> bbrazil: thx u too ;)
[11:51] <RandolphCarter> iamcitizen: did you set the screen resolution?  some laptops need you to do that
[11:51] <fsancho> iamcitizen, try booting with "noapic nolapic" parameters
[11:51] <mmx> i find it
[11:51] <AlmtyBob> _jason: ran the config and same result, no core pointer
[11:51] <mmx> apt-get install kdm
[11:51] <iamcitizen> i tried that, fs
[11:51] <merriam> FatalFury: meaning hold alt and hit dot after the command -- to get the directory name again
[11:51] <slide> Anyone have any idea why amaroK looks like crap in my gnome? Like i see some kind of scripting code and all of the text seems to be messed up
[11:51] <_jason> AlmtyBob: can you pastebin what your xorg.conf looks like?
[11:51] <iamcitizen> Randolph, how?
[11:51] <RandolphCarter> iamcitizen: it should show up at the bottom of the screen, press F4 or something
[11:52] <iamcitizen> I'll try that, brb.
[11:52] <AlmtyBob> hmm, I gotta theory, how do I check that SSH is installed?
[11:52] <AlmtyBob> I had installe
[11:52] <_jason> AlmtyBob: server or client?
[11:52] <AlmtyBob> server
[11:53] <Jowi> AlmtyBob: type ss<tab twice>
[11:53] <RandolphCarter> AlmtyBob: ps -ef | grep ssh should do the trick
[11:53] <_jason> AlmtyBob: apt-cache policy openssh-server, how would this affect your mouse?
[11:53] <iamcitizen> You talking about 6.06 or 5.10, randolph
[11:53] <AlmtyBob> I had installed Ubuntu on a drive that for some reason wouldn't boot so I unplugged every drive but a fresh drive and installed and it worked
[11:53] <Managu> Does anyone know: How do I reinstall GRUB?
[11:53] <RandolphCarter> iamcitizen: ahh, sorry, 6.06
[11:53] <amphi> AlmtyBob: does /etc/init.d/ssh exist?
[11:53] <iamcitizen> i have 6.06
[11:53] <RandolphCarter> gd gd, you should see it there?
[11:53] <Elmadan> oi
[11:53] <iamcitizen> i'll try booting from there
[11:53] <AlmtyBob> when I shutdown and plugged my other drives back in, it said "installing packages" ont he next boot as if I had never done the initial configuration
[11:53] <RandolphCarter> okay - make sure you press F4 or whatever to set whatever screen resolution your laptop uses
[11:54] <AlmtyBob> and then X crapped out
[11:54] <iamcitizen> k. brb.
[11:54] <RandolphCarter> AlmtyBob: using fglrx?
[11:54] <Hulug_788> hi everyone
[11:54] <voraistos> ompaul: which one should i choose? ok for beta, but i am looking for the most stable stuff possible...
[11:54] <AlmtyBob> no clue
[11:54] <AlmtyBob> and nope, ssh doesn't exist
[11:54] <AlmtyBob> and I know I installed that last night
[11:54] <iamcitizen> OEM or HD
[11:54] <ompaul> voraistos, then choose 5.10 breezy
[11:54] <_jason> AlmtyBob: you are using breezy?
[11:54] <AlmtyBob> so I wonder if my bios is magically booting from my first drive now
[11:54] <AlmtyBob> yes
[11:54] <RandolphCarter> AlmtyBob: you're not using a RAID are you?
[11:55] <AlmtyBob> I'm going to unplug the other drives and see what happens now
[11:55] <AlmtyBob> no
[11:55] <voraistos> ompaul: no, i want unstable, but not too much
[11:55] <slackern> AlmtyBob: openssh-server isn't that the one your looking for?
[11:55] <RandolphCarter> hmm :/ last time I saw this one side of a RAID mirror wasn't updating for like 5 months, then one half failed, so it started booting off the other half
[11:55] <ubuntu_> Hello
[11:55] <iamcitizen> Randolph, you are my hero.
[11:55] <ompaul> voraistos, are you going to track it day by day?
[11:55] <RandolphCarter> the poor user didn't know what was going on, it was like a timewarp :)
[11:55] <ubuntu_> i am on ubuntu now
[11:55] <ubuntu_> looks pretty neat
[11:55] <AlmtyBob> haha
[11:55] <Hulug_788> im want restore a partition with testdisk, i see the files with P but when i do WRITE and restart computer i dont have the files that are showed. Anyone know whats wrong?
[11:55] <voraistos> ompaul: i feel like it ;)
[11:55] <mythica> hey guys quick question
[11:55] <ompaul> voraistos, then get the daily package
[11:55] <ubuntu_> shit someone rang my doorbell i was too afraid to look
[11:56] <RandolphCarter> iamcitizen: np's :) you may need to add noapic and nolapic if it's a on older laptop
[11:56] <voraistos> ompaul: yea, ok i go for that
[11:56] <iamcitizen> it is pretty new
[11:56] <ompaul> ubuntu_, no bad language thanks
[11:56] <ubuntu_> oh
[11:56] <iamcitizen> it is a 3000 series
[11:56] <ubuntu_> sorry
[11:56] <Hulug_788> Anyone used testdisk??
[11:56] <RandolphCarter> iamcitizen: should be okay then - if the desktop seems to lag a bit, try adding that, some laptop mobos are a bit special
[11:56] <AlmtyBob> k, unplugged my other drives, pray for me
[11:56] <Managu> How do I reinstall GRUB?
[11:56] <ompaul> ubuntu_ np going forward :-)
[11:56] <ubuntu_> Btw is it safe to use the live cd for secure online shopping?
[11:57] <Jowi> !grub
[11:57] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[11:57] <biovore> Managu: can you get the box up and running?
[11:57] <ompaul> voraistos,  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20060506/
[11:57] <iamcitizen> For "Primary Network Interface" which do I choose?
[11:57] <Hulug_788> please help, i need this data...
[11:57] <iamcitizen> WLAN or LAn
[11:57] <iamcitizen> LAN*
[11:57] <ubuntu_> well?
[11:57] <Managu> biovore: nope.  Running on the beta live cd atm.  Will check the links though
[11:57] <AlmtyBob> hahahaha
[11:57] <AlmtyBob> ok wtf
[11:57] <voraistos> ompaul: thats where i was ;)
[11:57] <ompaul> ubuntu_, well if you have the ram and can update the packages I would go for it, if you can't I would not
[11:57] <ubuntu_> this chat goes so fast i get no response
[11:57] <bradley_> hello everyone
[11:57] <AlmtyBob> I KNOW I told my bios to boot from the correct drive
[11:57] <Teleios> hello
[11:57] <louis_> hello
[11:57] <Hulug_788> hello? anyone know testdisk?
[11:57] <RandolphCarter> hey there
[11:57] <AlmtyBob> but for some reason it was booting from the old install I had
[11:58] <ubuntu_> what do you mean ompaul ?
[11:58] <louis_> is it possible to install compiz on dapper with a SiS graphic card?
[11:58] <bimberi> ubuntu_: i'd use it for that
[11:58] <ubuntu_> i didnt know it was required :(
[11:58] <ubuntu_> i already made the purchase shit
[11:58] <bradley_> i have latest version of ubuntu installed.  last night i intalled the automatic updates and restarted because there was a kernel update
[11:58] <ubuntu_> i thought it was safe
[11:58] <ubuntu_> :(
[11:58] <TLE> When I do sudo apt-get upgrade it says that there is a new update-manager but it is left out of the upgrade, (I couldn't find anything about this in the forum) Does anybody here why it does (btw I'm using standard 5.10)
[11:58] <slackern> louis_: I think it only works on ati and nvidia cards, but i haven't really looked for it.
[11:58] <bradley_> today it says there is a problem with my xserver
[11:58] <Hulug_788> ....
[11:58] <MystaMax> creating a new tar from a directory should be typed like: tar
[11:58] <louis_> ok
[11:58] <bradley_> any ideas?
[11:58] <MystaMax> woops
[11:58] <ubuntu_> am i in trouble now?
[11:58] <MystaMax> how do i tar the PWD?
[11:58] <fsancho> anyone has an acer aspire 1650?
[11:59] <fsancho> i can't see battery status
[11:59] <bbrazil> MystaMax: tar -cf dir.tar .
[11:59] <teletubbie> fsancho, make sure you have the kernel module loaded
[11:59] <merriam> MystaMax: better to cd ..
[11:59] <bbrazil> MystaMax: I agree with merriam though
[11:59] <fsancho> teletubbie, no, is a acpi error
[11:59] <firebird619> Could someone help me with some sound problems. They started after installing GnomeRadio and now the sound for anything to do with the TV Tuner (tvtime, gradio, GnomeRadio, etc) is full of static and although I have the sound turned almost all of the way down, it gets very loud when making small volume adjustments. It sounds terrible. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this issue. Thanks.
[11:59] <MystaMax> im not sure i understand your response Merriam
[11:59] <fsancho> i have a lot of error messages in syslog
[12:00] <ompaul> voraistos, heh, and the sad part is you most likely will not have that again :-)
[12:00] <bradley_> I'm getting this error message: 'failed to start the X server (your grapical interface). It is likely not set up correctly.  Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?'


[01:38] <crass> I'm getting a strange build error: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/153715559/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.cdk_5.0.20130901_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:39] <StevenK> checking if we have identified curses headers... none
[01:39] <StevenK> configure: error: No curses header-files found
[01:39] <crass> the reason is because ncurses-bin is not install, but it should be installed by a dependency of libncursesw5-dev
[01:40] <crass> ncurses-bin is a dependency of libncursesw5-dev, so why isn't it getting pulled in?
[01:54] <wgrant> crass: ncurses-bin is Priority: required; it's always installed
[01:54] <wgrant> that's why it doesn't show as being installed by the build
[01:55] <wgrant> I'd check your package's configure script to see what that check is actually checking
[03:54] <crass> wgrant: thanks, that helped
[03:59] <wgrant> crass: :)
[07:23] <caktux> How long does it take between a "dput ppa" and having something show up?
[07:25] <wgrant> caktux: A minute or two, if you've signed the package correctlyt.
[07:25] <wgrant> Well, you'll receive an accept/reject email within a minute or two, at least
[07:26] <caktux> Ok I guess I had not my key set before uploading...
[07:30] <caktux> it says it's has already been uploaded...
[07:30] <wgrant> caktux: That's a local check. Give dput the -f option to override that.
[07:33] <caktux> yay some feedback, thanks :)
[07:55] <caktux> It worked! I got a "packages cannot be authenticated" on apt-upgrade though..
[15:04] <shadeslayer> could someone look into this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/153827813/buildlog.txt.gz
[15:05] <shadeslayer> looks like a outdated-python-on-system issue to me
[15:05] <dobey> yes, the builders are still running on 8.04
[15:05] <wgrant> shadeslayer: Yeah, recipe version 0.4 isn't supported on the production builders yet.
[15:05] <wgrant> You need to use version 0.3
[15:05] <shadeslayer> are you sure 0.o
[15:05] <wgrant> s/version/format/
[15:05] <dobey> yes
[15:05] <shadeslayer> I used 0.4 somewhere
[15:05] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/915505
[15:06] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+recipe/expanding-icons-taskmanager-daily
[15:06] <shadeslayer> 0.4 without issues
[15:06] <shadeslayer> so I think it's just a issue with debupstream
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ah well
[16:51] <jcastro> hi, how can I delete a blueprint?
[16:51] <jcastro> or mark it private?
[16:56] <wgrant> jcastro: A blueprint may be made private if the project has a commercial subscription, but they may not be deleted.
[21:32] <JonnyJD> I get "tar: recipe-{debversion}/.pc/manpage.patch/doc/conf.py: Cannot open: Permission denied" on a failed build log that does work locally
[21:33] <JonnyJD> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/153858307/buildlog.txt.gz
[21:33] <JonnyJD> I can't really find out what that is supposed to mean and if that is possibly a problem with the launchpad servers. The patches apply fine, local build is also fine.
[21:34] <JonnyJD> (the packaging originally comes from debian and builds fine there)
[21:50] <JonnyJD> the tar-ignore .pc option mentioned in https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/+bug/760735 works. (sorry, I searched before, but didn't search with the right terms)
[21:59] <cjwatson> I see "new version of bzr-builder" mentioned, in which case it's probably blocked on the PPA builder upgrade to builderstack