[03:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:02] <JimBuntu> It's Friday! YAY!
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> yayy
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> hey JimBuntu
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[05:25] <saabstory88> Does anyone here have experience moving an adobe creative suite workflow over to ubuntu in a profressional setting?
[05:29] <saabstory88> Our company is getting to the point where Microsoft's OS is so locked down that even the enterprise version is unacceptable, and we can't buy powerful enough Macs
[05:30] <JimBuntu> Can't buy powerful enough macs is a common issue.... resolved easily/obviously.
[05:31] <Lin-Buo-Ren> It depends on the "professional setting", the workflow still has to adapt to Ubuntu and Ubuntu-compatible application counterparts.
[05:32] <saabstory88> We are ready to pay for software and hardware, our largest obstacle at this point is feature set
[05:35] <saabstory88> JimBuntu: What do you mean?
[05:41] <JimBuntu> saabstory88, About the "can't buy powerful enough macs" statement? I mean that it's common for companies to realize they should have a generic Linux farm instead of trying to buy tons of Apple products to do the same task... as in rendering/etc.
[05:43] <saabstory88> I wish our firm was large enough to support such a solution. We are a little to small to buy into Foundry software
[05:45] <saabstory88> Another issues is portability. My laptop had enough brunt (i6700k, gtx980, 64gbram, win7/ubuntu) for a lot of the live event rendering work we do, but Win7 is starting to have issues with new software updates
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> saabstory88: contact canonical?
[05:47] <saabstory88> About rendering software?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> saabstory88: about helping your company professionally
[05:49] <saabstory88> Do they provide help to small firms? (8 employees)
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> sure
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> and youl get much cheaper then windows support
[05:51] <saabstory88> Well they can't be worse than Microsoft support. MS doesn't even seem interested in dealing with a firm our size
[05:56] <Lin-Buo-Ren> lmao
[06:02] <saabstory88> It's really frustrating. I've been using Ubuntu for a couple years now as my home operating system, and when developing special applications for work. A good bit of our work is tethered to software which only runs in MacOS and Windows.  :D
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> well thank you :p
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> crowdy week pfff
[18:18] <daftykins> busy times?
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> yeah too many hours at work
[18:18] <daftykins> ouch
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> allo lotuspsychje
[18:49] <lotuspsychje> welcome pragmaticenigma
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: we talk & share about ubuntu & more here
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> for a better support experience
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> Cool... question, saw an article about Gnome Desktop having a bit of a memory leak. has there been any suggestions on how to mitigate/work-around it?
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah omgubuntu had this article right
[18:53] <daftykins> sounds like a support query to me
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> i invited pragmaticenigma here daftykins
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> he helping support
[18:54] <daftykins> right but it doesn't make this chan for the support :>
[18:55] <kostkon> pragmaticenigma, i've got one. don't use it :P
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> works for me
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/03/gnome-shell-has-a-memory-leak-and-it-might-not-be-fixed-for-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: bit weird advice, knowing thousands of users will get into bionic soon
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> don't plan on updating right away... wait until the first update to 18.04
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> i got all my boxes 18.04 already :p
[18:57] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, and that'll mean more support work for us right?
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: yes indeed :p
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> a month from now we get 2000 users in here
[18:58] <daftykins> i don't think users move that fast :)
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> youl see youl see :p
[18:59] <kostkon> we've never gone past that afaik but we are gonna almost hit that
[19:00] <kostkon> 1800-1900 range surely
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> With the switch back to Gnome desktop, I have a feeling a lot of users will be returning
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: before ubuntu-unregged trick we had 1900+ indeed
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> at least those that like the gnome 3 desktop
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: now its climbing back slowly
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> pragmaticenigma: yeah alot of unity boxes will get the choice to upgrade
[19:03] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, yeah there's been some increase in users already
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: support feels liek supprt again now heh
[19:03] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, say that again. good old times
[19:03] <TJ-> grrrr, quiet is best!
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> and with TJ- we can have them all!
[19:04] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, more activity, more spam, more angry people
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> more joy, more community feeling :p
[19:05] <TJ-> Have you seen the list of open bugs for major packages that are going to hit us when people start upgading to 18.04? It's going to be horrible I tell ya!
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> agree on that1 TJ-
[19:05] <daftykins> s'all about waiting for that .1 release :)
[19:05] <TJ-> Dropping of ifupdown is already throwing some issues up, especially in those that try to help themselves first and copy instructions from old wiki/web pages
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> wayland not ready, gnome memory leak..slow systemd..slow overal gnome system,..
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> did i forget some?
[19:06] <TJ-> netplan supporting very few scenarios
[19:06] <daftykins> Wayland arguably doesn't matter though
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> wayland isn't being installed by default fortunately... hopefully that will reduce some of the support
[19:07] <tomreyn> don't people upgrading from 17.10 get to keep wayland?
[19:07] <TJ-> systemd-resolved taking over  - had an issue earlier where it and N.M.'s dnsmasq were active, but /etc/resolv.conf had <IP_ADDRESS> (the systemd-resolved listener) which hadn't configure the interface, so there was no DNS resolution
[19:07] <pragmaticenigma> I believe when upgrading things stay in place
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: no, 18.04 will result in xorg by default
[19:07] <TJ-> I thought Wayland is installed but not the default?
[19:07] <lotuspsychje> on 17.10 wayland is still default
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje, but tomreyn is asking about upgrades
[19:08] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: also on upgrades then?
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> i should suspect so
[19:08] <daftykins> honestly things seem like such a mess compared to 14.04 days :)
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> 16.04 was the best
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> installed it on tons of machines
[19:09] <daftykins> think it took a while to get sane, 16.04
[19:10] <pragmaticenigma> 16.04 is when I came back to the Ubuntu image... otherwise I had been on Xubuntu for quite a few years, if only because mythbuntu that was what came by default
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: devs wont risk nvidia boxes result in wayland session on upgrade right?
[19:10] <TJ-> I like 18.04 on the server side... but the desktop turmoil is horrible
[19:10] <daftykins> TJ-: +1 glad to not use desktop really for that reason xD
[19:10] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i do not know.
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> we didnt hear about unity news yet neither?
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> how great will it survive on bionic
[19:11] <TJ-> yeah, as you know I work from console/terminal most of the time anyhow so I don't need or want fancy GUI effects
[19:11] <kostkon> and canonical went from trying to create the best desktop in the world to being completely indifferent about it and that's terrible. hence now the mess with gnome shell
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i need a lightweight, stable desktop for my customers
[19:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'd guess it'll wither and die eventually now Canonical no longer puts resources into it
[19:11] <pragmaticenigma> I wish the GUI had at least two modes... Get stuff done mode and Sparkles (effects) mode
[19:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: XFCE/Xubuntu :)
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: never :p
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> underkill for normal machines in my opinion
[19:12] <TJ-> I measured all the desktops for 'light weight' and xubuntu just beat Lubuntu
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> only reason I dropped XFCE/Xubuntu was I got tired of not having an easy method of adding new applications to the applications menu
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> ill file bugs until they get it straight
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> +1 pragmaticenigma
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> i dont like that either
[19:13] <TJ-> new applications are automatically added from their .desktop files
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> i like lubuntu xenial best under lightweights
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> we will see what the future brings, and how the mass reacts under gnome
[19:15] <TJ-> budgie seems to be gaining some traction
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> yeah budgie is interesting
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> but i think they should at least fix vanilla ubuntu desktop for normal use right
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> doesnt that sound logical
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> anyway tv time here,
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> i wish you all a great weekend
[19:17] <daftykins> and you sir \o
[19:18] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, "Midnight Run" this is your friday movie for this week
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: !rootirc is your-new-factoid-text-here in ubottu query
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> kostkon: lol
[19:18] <kostkon> lotuspsychje, yeap
[19:18] <TJ-> No money in desktop that's the problem... once SABDFL realised 'convergence' wasn't going to get Ubuntu onto millions of tablets and smartphones and therefore there's no income stream, GUI priority dropped - money is in Cloud and Enterprise, MAAS, Landscape, support subscriptions, deployments, etc.
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> laterz ; )
[19:20] <TJ-> Desktop is effectively a loss-leader to win mind-share, rather like how Microsoft gave students free/discount Windows/Office so they'd want to use it when they got into the workplace
[19:21] <kostkon> it's not even a loss making now since red hat is paying for it
[19:23] <TJ-> there's still a lot of Ubuntu-introduced bugs too due to 'Unity look n feel' - I was looking at the list for gnome-software a few days ago and it is scary!
[19:23] <daftykins> i wonder how bad subiquity is :)
[19:23] <TJ-> gnome-software with added features for snap discovery, ubuntu channels, etc
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> 18.04, if gnome is no good at time of -do-release-upgrade... I will choose either KDE or LXDE
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> I honestly will drop to the un-unityfied gnome for 18.04 baring the memory leak doesn't get fixed
[19:34] <daftykins> i'm sure it will, do you not wait for the .1 release anyway to wait for a new release to approach some semblance or reliability?
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, one would think .desktop would auto pickup... the problem was... where did it need to go? the normal drop points did find it
[19:34] <daftykins> version number chasers always get burnt and with good reason
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> *normal drop point didn't find it
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins, I will wait till my system says the --do-release-upgraede is available. which is usually the .01 release
[19:35] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: packages install it to /usr/share/applications/ ... locally built packages to /usr/local/share/applications/  per-user in $HOME/.local/share/applications/
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, must have been something in the spin I was using, it never found those for some reason
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins, I may stick on 16.04 for a year. Anything that I need bleeding edge for is either self compiled or installed from vendor package
[19:37] <TJ-> I've just started upgrading all mine to 18.04 yesterday. Server's first, they're easiest
[19:37] <daftykins> yeah LTS to LTS
[19:37] <TJ-> but still got to maintain my own build of apache2 which is a pain
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, reduced feature set? or enhancing?
[19:38] <TJ-> I want mod_md
[19:39] <TJ-> that's the support for the ACME protocol so Let's Encrypt is built into apache, not an external tool
[19:40] <TJ-> now Let's Encrypt is isuing wildcard certificates too there's not many sites where it won't be the default choice
[19:40] <TJ-> biggest upgrade I've got to herd is a very active cluster of postfix mail server
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> oh, neat, I didn't know apache could manage the ACME protocol directly. I'm currently happy with the cronjob method of updating
[19:42] <daftykins> you don't even need to manually set that up if you have certbot installed which i make use of
[19:44] <pragmaticenigma> come to think of it... not sure how I have installed at the moment
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> it was whatever was documented at the time of install in June of 2016
[19:45] <daftykins> i waited for the first renewal date but then saw it had automatically been done xD was quite handy!
[19:45] <TJ-> daftykins: yeah, I just want to have the entire config managed within apache config files
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, I've been happy with the autorenewal. i'm glad they made that a priority. more users using the autorenewal, the better the expiration of a ssl when it's no longer used
[19:46] <pragmaticenigma> expiration of the cert
[19:46] <TJ-> each vhost 443 SSLEngine On then includes it's own certificate logic
[19:46] <daftykins> makes sense!
[19:47] <daftykins> how does it work if you have one for a www.domain.tld now and want to swap to a wildcard, do you have to wait for it to end then re-request? i've not even looked into it
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> I only use one, and since I make use of dynamic-dns address service, really only can operate one site, no wildcards
[19:47] <daftykins> ah, i got a cheap domain and run nextcloud from home
[19:48] <daftykins> the domain registrar includes an updater client to allow dynamic DNS :)
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> mine is primarily so i can run openVpn server
[19:48] <daftykins> ah yeah
[19:48] <daftykins> i do that with a DigitalOcean VPS
[19:48] <TJ-> in mod_md it uses the <MDomainSet> directive
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> My router now has OpenVPN server built in, I usually use the VPN to access local network stuff
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> the hard part was figuring out the routing so i can access both the internet and my local network dns
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> in the tunnel
[19:49] <TJ-> I've just started with wireguard in place of openvpn; so far, so good
[19:49] <daftykins> i just disable the default gateway changing directive so i have subnet access and still browse from where i am
[19:50] <daftykins> depends if that's what you want though of course
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> i send all traffic through the VPN if it's connected
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> I also use it so I can hop onto public wifi and minimize nosy people snarfing on my packets
[19:51] <daftykins> :) are you using the easy-rsa key setup scripts and so on?
[19:51] <TJ-> openvpn using udp transport and TA also protects against DoS attacks
[19:51] <daftykins> i bumped up the crypto pretty high on my instances
[19:52] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins, for me? no... I currently have username/password authentication enabled... haven't had time to look into documenation for the client certs yet
[19:52] <daftykins> eek
[19:53] <daftykins> if the cypher strength is on default it might be bad :>
[19:53] <daftykins> cipher o0
[20:02] <daftykins> why does my cat like to stand on my lap and headbut my mouse arm? :)
[20:03] <EriC^^> :)
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> if a cat is present when human is on computer, cat must "help" human... it's the law of the universe
[20:06] <daftykins> :D
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> daftykins, it looks like the OpenVPN configuration requires the client have the Server Cert in order to make a connection. There are client certs, just the export/importing/exporting/importing seem daunting at the moment
[20:39] <daftykins> pragmaticenigma: you can actually streamline all the relevant certs and keys into a single .ovpn profile file, for ease of use
[20:39] <daftykins> though it would require starting over perhaps, i'd recommend this one - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04
[21:04] <JimBuntu> daftykins, I highly recommend this ( and do this)
[21:04] <JimBuntu> no need to start over
[21:31] <pragmaticenigma> i'm familiar with that one daftykins ... except openvpn lives on my router, synology
[22:12] <Bashing-om> Friday Support ??
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> hmm?
[22:54] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: Support - week end - looks slow .
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> until ghostrider graces us.. then it gets exciting
[23:17] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: Well, exciting is not the term I would employ :) .. Better you than me as I have little patience in such an event .
[23:28] <pragmaticenigma> I've given up on them once before, and just made them wait for someone else to attempt to help
[23:29] <pragmaticenigma> Don't know if the time alowed cooler heads to prevail or just someone had the right touch to get them to be more helpful to the situation
[23:37] <Bashing-om> pragmaticenigma: Uh Huh .. calm down, think --- patience : works wonders :)


[12:23] <_Thomas> hi
[12:24] <_Thomas> is it possible to create an apt-repo that "overwrites" packages available from main apt-repos?
[12:24] <_Thomas> (to support special builds of gstreamer for a specific platform, for instance)
[13:40] <lilstevie> _Thomas: yes it is, you either need to have a higher version, or higher epoch
[20:29] <mcurran> Is there any testing images for installing ubuntu or debian natively on android phones yet?


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[04:43] <IdleOne> How do you get to the onscreen keyboard in Unity without a working keyboard?
[04:44]  * IdleOne is running kubuntu here so I can't figure it out for myself
[07:25] <AlanBell> hard IdleOne
[07:26] <AlanBell> for unknown reasons an ubuntu patch removes the menu entry
[08:38] <IdleOne> AlanBell: so what you are telling me is that it can't be done right now in Unity?
[13:19] <AlanBell> IdleOne: you can launch nautilus and navigate to /usr/bin/onboard and run it from there
[22:10] <AlanBell> maco: who was it that you challenged to fix bug 739812
[22:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 739812 in unity "Must use hardware keyboard to perform search for applications in Unity" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739812
[22:10] <AlanBell> three letter nick, all caps
[22:10] <Pendulum> DBO?
[22:10] <maco> AlanBell: i forget atm, but the patch he came up with turned out to break other stuff so it didnt go in
[22:10] <maco> Pendulum: yeah thats it
[22:11] <maco> it was like it has some weird edgecase bugs at certain resolutions or something


[00:01] <Sadin> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554017_347178231986010_206138266090008_879037_152316044_n.jpg
[00:01] <Sadin> my life from age 8 to 15
[00:01] <Sadin> my god....
[00:25] <rmg51> everyone keeps forgetting there is no PennBot
[00:40] <rmg51> now let's see how long it takes to crash ArchBot since it's in two channels
[00:40] <jedijf> 3 channels actually
[00:42] <rmg51> better yet :-D
[00:51] <waltman> I need to get up to Zern's at some point. It's been years.
[00:54] <Sadin> What happned to Penn bot
[00:54] <Sadin> waltman i go there all the time with my grandpa :D
[02:04] <cythes> Sadin, You can find me at Deal me in games every saturday from 6:00 till 10 ish.  I am finding that I love playing magic.
[02:23] <Sadin> cythes ive never learned to play magic i wanted too though
[02:31] <cythes> Its a fun game all in all. If it made me get rid of the other two... that should say something... xD
[02:37] <Sadin> cythes yeah i wanted to play it on steam but it only works for windows and not on my mac
[02:38] <Sadin> so i was debating getting the cards irl
[02:38] <Sadin> how much you guys sell em for?
[02:40] <cythes> Well $13 for a regular deck (Comes with a bosterpack) then the event decks are $25 but they have dice and a boster pack as well as some awesomely playable cards. (Its built to dive right into competitive action) the other decks are just simply play around things.
[02:48] <Sadin> $25 ones are for jumping right in to play
[02:48] <Sadin> ?
[03:06] <cythes> Sadin, you can jump into them all but Event decks are just that.
[03:06] <Sadin> OKay
[03:22] <cythes> PennBot ?
[03:22] <PennBot> No idea!
[03:22] <cythes> good
[03:22] <cythes> AlexanderAzimov?
[03:22] <cythes> alexanderazimov?
[03:22] <cythes> Guess not lol
[03:25] <Sadin> lol
[03:54] <EvilResistance> is pennbot back?
[03:54] <EvilResistance> PennBot: test
[03:55] <PennBot> I don't have a clue.
[03:55] <EvilResistance> bleh
[03:55] <EvilResistance> oh its lagging
[03:55] <EvilResistance> figures
[04:20] <cythes> PennBot, AlexanderAzimov
[04:20] <PennBot> Dunno!
[04:20] <cythes> Ohk then
[04:29]  * cythes is going to sleep
[05:23] <Sadin> http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d4u2oqs heres my #! desk what you guys think?
[05:23] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[05:23] <ArchBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[05:25] <Sadin> double bot post
[09:51] <rmg51> Morning
[09:58] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:34] <InHisName> morning
[13:24] <JonathanD> Hi
[13:59] <rmg51> o/
[15:24] <Sadin> pleia2 ! ochosi is letting me help port Bluebird to GTK3 !
[15:24] <pleia2> Sadin: yay! :D
[15:24] <pleia2> I'm so glad you got involved with them
[15:25] <Sadin> i am too i always wanted to learn gtk themeing
[15:25] <Sadin> didnt know where to start
[15:25] <pleia2> :)
[15:25] <Sadin> but if gtk3 is CSS im set im a webdesigner :D
[15:25] <pleia2> hehe
[15:25] <Sadin> gtg pleia2 in school the periods almost out
[15:25] <pleia2> later
[15:31] <MobileTurkey> hey all
[15:31] <MobileTurkey> Sadin: gtk3 is sweet cakes
[15:31] <MobileTurkey> much cruft of gtk2 is gone
[15:31] <MobileTurkey> performance is still not great but they're finally only using cairo
[15:31] <MobileTurkey> which is good
[15:32] <MobileTurkey> no more gpixmap basically wrapping xlib calls...
[17:06] <adom> jedijf: honeynet? ill google...
[17:06] <adom> http://i.imgur.com/2TZXW.jpg
[17:08] <jedijf> adom: i came across another one while reading too, i'll post it in channel when i get near the book
[17:08] <adom> 'preciate it
[17:15] <jedijf> adom: honeyd or any of the similar, or this for catching malware http://dionaea.carnivore.it/
[17:15] <PennBot`> Title: dionaea catches bugs (at dionaea.carnivore.it)
[20:11] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[20:39] <EvilResistance> not again
[20:39] <EvilResistance> did PennBot glitch itself again
[20:39]  * EvilResistance facepalms
[20:39] <EvilResistance> i thought i fixed that internet issue
[20:41] <EvilResistance> i wonder if its still broken...
[20:42] <EvilResistance> PennBot: bacon
[20:42] <PennBot> The Almighty Food of the Gods
[20:43] <EvilResistance> okay, so it remembers that...
[20:43] <EvilResistance> now why did the thing not keep the old data...
[20:45] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: here is the rules for you to live by: http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2373390/THE+RULES+OF+BACON/
[20:45] <PennBot> Title: THE RULES OF BACON (at www.funnyjunk.com)
[20:47] <MobileTurkey> Sadin: ever read that?
[21:17] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[21:17] <SamuraiAlba> bacvon
[21:38] <MbSadin> SamuraiAlba that Duel Quad core is yours right?
[21:47] <SamuraiAlba> yup
[21:47] <SamuraiAlba> It's ... 2 Quad Core Xeon 5335 2.0Ghz CPUs, 4 73gb SAS 10k drives, HP P400 controller, 4GB ram ECC FB RAM DIMM
[21:48] <MbSadin> SmauraiAlba okay save it please :3 my dad will get it for me for my birthday
[21:48] <SamuraiAlba> cool beans
[21:48] <SamuraiAlba> when?
[21:48] <SamuraiAlba> $275 if you pick it up :)
[21:48] <MbSadin> Closer to early may lol
[21:48] <MbSadin> SamuraiAlba okay lol and what about the website you wanted :3
[21:49] <SamuraiAlba> Looking for a decent looking PC sales website
[21:49] <MbSadin> A redesign?
[21:49] <SamuraiAlba> I take visa, MC, Amex, Discover
[21:49] <SamuraiAlba> a design in general
[21:49] <SamuraiAlba> It's blank
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> www.insightpctech.com
[21:50] <MbSadin> Okay well you want me to design it cause im not proficient enough with PHP and such to program the functionality
[21:50] <jedijf> payment options - credit cards, cash or bacon
[21:50] <MbSadin> i do design for the most part.
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> Sure :)
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> I got my Squareup.com reader :)
[21:50] <SamuraiAlba> woowoo!
[21:51] <MbSadin> SamuraiAlba wanna see my desktop
[21:51] <SamuraiAlba> sure
[21:51] <MbSadin> http://zachsnyder.deviantart.com/#/d4u2oqs
[21:51] <PennBot> Title: ZachSnyder on deviantART (at zachsnyder.deviantart.com)
[21:51] <MbSadin> yay @PennBot your back!
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> nice
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> picking my summer I, II, and III session classes atm
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> 5 chosen
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> 7 more to go
[21:52] <MbSadin> cool
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> oops
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> 2
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> 2 more
[21:52] <MbSadin> trying to play around in python
[21:52] <SamuraiAlba> cool beans
[21:53] <MbSadin> oh and SamuraiAlba look what i joined http://shimmerporject.org
[21:54] <MbSadin> helping them main devs port the themes to gtk3
[21:57] <SamuraiAlba> sweet!
[21:59] <SamuraiAlba> installing Joomla atm so it does't look empty
[21:59] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[22:00] <SamuraiAlba> there we go
[22:03] <SamuraiAlba> MbSadin, you got PM
[22:05] <MbSadin> SamuraiAlba D: whyyyyy joomla
[22:05] <MbSadin> its like the worssst....
[22:05] <SamuraiAlba> you can change it
[22:06] <SamuraiAlba> I dont mind LOL
[22:06] <SamuraiAlba> It's a placeholder
[22:06] <MbSadin> okay good lol!
[22:06] <MbSadin> Whew
[22:06] <MbSadin> my heart sank a bit there
[22:07] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[22:14] <SamuraiAlba> Any ideas?
[22:47] <MbSadin> pleia2 i have push/pull rights to bluebird!!! cant wait to get started my new debian machine running xfce almost has my dev environment setup!


 I'm doing allright.
[10:29] <jamespage> coreycb: nova and glance b2's uploaded - doing heat and neutron next
[11:10] <ahasenack> good morning
[11:16] <Nafallo> morning ahasenack
[11:16] <ahasenack> hello Nafallo
[11:45] <jamespage> coreycb: cinder done; neutron failing a test and heat generally being awkward
[11:45] <jamespage> coreycb: doing keystone
[12:09] <jamespage> coreycb: keystone done; I'm going todo a snapshot of aodh if I can make it work
[12:24] <jamespage> coreycb: barbican done
[12:33] <coreycb> jamespage: sounds good, i'll start in a bit
[12:48] <jamespage> coreycb: neutron done
[13:53] <coreycb> jamespage: getting started with horizon
[13:53] <jamespage> coreycb: ok working through the neutron-*'s now
[13:55] <coreycb> jamespage: are you using a bileto ppa?
[14:07] <jamespage> coreycb: no
[14:07] <jamespage> just local sbuild
[14:08] <jamespage> coreycb: I've done a tweak to the watch file in my uploaded to tie the package to a specific series; dunno what you think about that
[14:08] <jamespage> makes gbp import-orig --uscan dtrt
[14:09] <coreycb> jamespage: ok. i'm going to use https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3076. you're welcome to use it if you want.
[14:09] <coreycb> jamespage: ok i'll tie that in as well to the watch files
[14:11] <coreycb> jamespage: i usually specify the version on uscan so i'm indifferent but i think this is fine
[14:51] <LilleCarl> I was recommended to ask this here: "Can anyone explain why this part of interfaces config doesn't add the routes i'm asking it to add? https://gist.github.com/Lillecarl/d152e0f93405005ea2fd451f33645968" <- Running Ubuntu 16.04 server
[14:55] <sdeziel> LilleCarl: those additional routes shouldn't be needed as they are relying on the default gateway anyways
[14:56] <LilleCarl> @sdeziel Well actually the device's got one direct wan connection and one lan connection
[14:56] <LilleCarl> It's acting as a VPN server-ish
[14:57] <LilleCarl> So the default route goes over ens160
[14:57] <sdeziel> LilleCarl: then I'd remove the "gateway <IP_ADDRESS>" line then as this one too tries to add a default gateway
[14:58] <LilleCarl> I'll do that
[14:58] <sdeziel> LilleCarl: then if the "up" command still do not accomplish what you wanted, I'd suggest running them by hand and see if /sbin/ip spits an error on them
[14:59] <LilleCarl> sdeziel: Now the up commands worked
[14:59] <LilleCarl> Isn't that weird?
[14:59] <LilleCarl> Also, thanks! :)
[15:00] <sdeziel> LilleCarl: I don't know. Was br0 coming up at all before? Cause 2 default gateways could have prevent the second one (the one from br0) from working
[15:00] <sdeziel> in other words, I don't know if ifup would capitulate on the "gateway" clause failing to apply
[15:00] <LilleCarl> sdeziel: It was functioning indeed, and "ip link" showed it as up
[15:01] <LilleCarl> But yeah that explains it, trying to override default gw could fail the up scripts
[15:01] <sdeziel> LilleCarl: yeah but that's one level too low ;). I guess the question should have been: did br0 had an IP configured?
[15:02] <LilleCarl> sdeziel: Wierdly enough it did, i was pinging it locally.  I'm still trying to get an external USB drive passed through to my KVM VM from the host. I tried going through virt-manager, and I also tried creating an XML file and attaching it. I've rebooted the host and guest many times. I also tried USB2/USB3 and switching the chipset. Has anyone been successful with this? (Ubuntu Server 16.04)
[15:53] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: yes I've doen it - did you check out the related known apparmor issues
[15:53] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: TL;DR while you are trying to attach in a 2nd window run "sudo dmesg -w"
[15:53] <jlacroix> cpaelzer I have seen that during google searching. I flat-out disabled apparmor on the host and guest, that didn't solve it
[15:53] <cpaelzer> likely you see apparmor denies, and likely the bugs I linked have the fixes that you can add to your conffiles
[15:54] <jlacroix> Should I run the dmesg on the host or guest?
[15:54] <cpaelzer> well if you disabled apparmor fully then this isn't the issue :-)
[15:54] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: I recommend to track two things then
[15:55] <cpaelzer> 1. in a 2nd console dmesg -w - what happens on the try to atatch
[15:55] <jlacroix> Are these apparmor issues with the guest or the host? Or both? When reading I wasn't sure if they were referring to the guest or host when talking about apparmor
[15:55] <cpaelzer> 2. in 3rd console track /var/log/libvirt/qemu/<guestname>.log - is there an issue reported
[15:55] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: the issues were the host being more on the secure than on the comfortable side
[15:55] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: this needed some work/research to sort out rules that work but are not considered insecure
[15:56] <cpaelzer> but demsg will show you if this still is an issue
[15:56] <cpaelzer> coreycb: I believe automation tricked you when picking 1710019 into cloud archive
[15:58] <cpaelzer> coreycb: there is (a lot) detail in the bug - TL;DR this was cancelled from -proposed for zesty but picked for Ocata now
[15:59] <coreycb> cpaelzer: got it, thanks. i'll update the bug.
[15:59] <jlacroix> Thanks cpaelzer, I'll try that out when I get home. I'm remotely connected via SSH right now and so far I don't see anything in the logs on the host. But perhaps I will when I disconnect and reconnect the drive. But as of right now there is nothing in the log file and it has not cycled
[16:01] <jlacroix> I'm assuming the usb disk would show up with lsusb or lsblk if successfully passed through
[16:04] <coreycb> cpaelzer: are you +1 to reverting that then?
[16:04] <cpaelzer> coreycb: well we reverted it in proposed until dannf had the chance to sort out the details
[16:04] <cpaelzer> coreycb: so that particular change on the actual release did never show up
[16:05] <cpaelzer> coreycb: thereby yes I'm +1 to also pull it out of UCA for now
[16:05] <coreycb> cpaelzer: ack
[16:05] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: give it a try and let us know
[16:06] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: you could pastebin both logs if you are unsure what they show you
[16:08] <jlacroix> cpaelzer the log for the VM in question contains no errors. The dmesg contains nothing regarding the usb drive, other than "new usb device found"
[16:09] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: is this the demsg of the host?
[16:09] <jlacroix> cpaelzer: yes, the host
[16:10] <cpaelzer> well that means it was atatched (or tried to) and comes back to the host
[16:10] <cpaelzer> that is why it is seeing it as new device
[16:10] <cpaelzer> hmm
[16:10] <cpaelzer> and what does virsh attach ... tell you
[16:10] <jlacroix> Honestly the "new usb device found" could just have been when the host was booted
[16:10] <cpaelzer> it must say failed "foo" then right?
[16:11] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: that is why I meand sudo dmesg -w
[16:11] <cpaelzer> that follows
[16:11] <cpaelzer> so you can add a few empty lines with enter
[16:11] <cpaelzer> then do the action
[16:11] <cpaelzer> and report only what appears as new events
[16:12] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: the same works on the guest log file if you use "tail -f" on it
[16:16] <jlacroix> When I run "virsh attach-device" it says "device attached successfully"
[16:25] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: then doesn#t that sound good to you?
[16:25] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: so the host thinks all is fine
[16:25] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: you can now do the same with dmesg but in the guest
[16:25] <jlacroix> cpaelzer, yes that sounds great. But lusb, lsblk, and fdisk -l show no extra disks
[16:26] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: when you detach/attach you should see the device appearing
[16:26] <cpaelzer> do you?
[16:26] <jlacroix> I do not
[16:27] <cpaelzer> you do not see anything in guest dmesg when you do so?
[16:27] <jlacroix> Correct, nothing
[16:27] <cpaelzer> weird
[16:27] <cpaelzer> sorry jlacroix I never had that combination
[16:27] <cpaelzer> unfortunately all you do is what I do, so your steps are not valid to reproduce on my end
[16:28] <cpaelzer> jlacroix: could you try various USB devices and check if all behave that way?
[16:28] <jlacroix> Yes, I can try that when I get home. I don't have physical access until this evening
[16:31] <TJ-> jlacroix: The guest OS needs the PCI hotplug drivers too; acpiphp and pci_hotplug usually
[16:32] <TJ-> jlacroix: I saw similar issues with both raw PCI devices and USB devices with minimal 'cloud' kernels
[16:32] <jlacroix> Thanks I'll try that now
[16:33] <sdeziel> as anyone been able to run memtest86+ (or any other mem-test) on a UEFI machine?
[16:33] <jlacroix> TJ I don't see those packages available
[16:34] <jlacroix> I do have acpid
[16:35] <TJ-> They're kernel modules
[16:38] <jlacroix> Thanks for the response, but those modules are there.
[16:39] <TJ-> sdeziel: as far as I recall it doesn't support UEFI since it's a 16-bit executable
[16:39] <TJ-> jlacroix: are they loaded?
[16:39] <sdeziel> $ grep -A3 EFI /etc/grub.d/20_memtest86+
[16:39] <sdeziel> # We need 16-bit boot, which isn't available on EFI.
[16:39] <sdeziel> if [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ]; then
[16:39] <sdeziel>   exit 0
[16:40] <sdeziel> TJ-: indeed, thanks. I'm going to try with the upstream provided ISO for now
[16:40] <jlacroix> TJ: I'm not really sure, they are in the kernel config marked "y", I think that means compiled in and not module if I'm not mistaken
[16:41] <TJ-> jlacroix: yes, that is correct. So the guest is a 'fat' bare-metal kernel, not one designed for virtual machines/'cloud' ?
[16:41] <jlacroix> TJ: Correct. It was installed using the ubuntu-server ISO and not ubuntu-minimal or anything weird
[16:41] <TJ-> jlacroix: in the guest does "lsusb" show USB hub(s)?
[16:42] <jlacroix> It does, it shows four of them
[16:42] <TJ-> jlacroix: also, is the device you're attaching a mass storage device? sometimes it needs "usb_storage" module manually loading
[16:43] <jlacroix> TJ: The disk I'm attaching is a USB hard disk, no hub between them
[16:43] <TJ-> jlacroix: there has to be a hub
[16:44] <jlacroix> TJ: Sorry what I mean is, I didn't add one between them
[16:44] <TJ-> jlacroix: OK, that's fine, the VM should have one already defined in its hardware description, and the kernel has default drivers for them
[16:57] <TJ-> jlacroix: does 'virsh dumpxml' show the device with a "<hostdev mode='subsystem' type='usb' managed='yes'>" node?
[17:08] <jlacroix> TJ: It does
[17:08] <jlacroix> TJ: Sorry, managed: no
[17:21] <TJ-> jlacroix: for USB that is ignored so it doesn't affect things
[17:24] <TJ-> jlacroix: one data-point. When the device is removed from the host and attached to the guest, the HOST dmesg/kern.log should show something like "usb 2-2: reset high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci"
[18:59] <jlacroix> Thanks TJ and cpaelzer for all your help. I'll troubleshoot more this evening
[19:09] <arooni> it appears that my ubuntu server is not allowing connections when i connect via unlimited vpn (my vpn provider).  any way to find out if certain ip's are blocked somehwo?  i have already stopped the fail2ban service
[19:53] <tomreyn> arooni: what makes you think it's the server that's blocking it?
[19:55] <sarnold> good question; on some services I wind up blocking entire VPN netblocks due to abuse from time to time
[19:55] <sarnold> it could be your service provider has done the same
[19:56] <tomreyn> some tests: (1) do a traceroute through the VPN, compare it to how it looks without VPN; (2) ping through the VPN and without the VPN, do both get through?; (3) run "nc -l -vv -p 8000" on the server and connect to it through the VPN and without the VPN from your client by running "nc -vv IP_ADDRESS_OF_SERVER 8000"; both server and client should report that the connection is established.
[20:02] <arooni>                                                                                sarn
[20:02] <arooni> sarnold: how do i test to see whether its the server or my hosting provider
[20:02] <arooni> oops liooks like tomreyn mentions it
[20:03] <arooni> i wish my networking knowledge was a bit better :)


[03:56] <DarkTrick_> https://imgur.com/a/DjfG9NK   Is this an xfce problem or a xubuntu-problem?
[05:09] <alexanderadler> hi, everybody! the refresh rate in xubuntu 21.04 resets to 60 hz every time I lock the screen
[05:10] <alexanderadler> could someone help, please?
[05:50] <xu-irc76w> Hello, got installed xubuntu and perform configuration. I setup my monitors configuration but I am also using laptop sometimes and need to switch on monitors ports from HDMI#1 to HDMI#2 and when I do that my screen configuration is resetted to default and I need to setup it again. Any idea how to fix it?
[06:01] <Mekaneck> sounds familiar but forgot the solution, maybe try xrandr or arandr
[15:23] <xu-help4w> Hi, I see that in ubuntu server there are options to make a bootable software RAID 1 configuration from 2 HDs, so without using "fake raid" from your motherboard (I often read that software raid could more stable and reliable than fake raid, with almost no performance penalty). I wanted to do the same thing (but with xubuntu), so I booted an
[15:23] <xu-help4w> Xubuntu 20.04 LTS DVD... but during the installation (in the partitioning phase) there is no option related to RAID... So, the only alternative should be to get a 3rd HD just for booting the OS and then using the other 2 for configuring (manually from terminal) the software RAID-1 ?
[15:35] <xu-help4w> in other words: is it possible to install a bootable xubuntu on 2 HDs in a Software RAID-1 configuration?


[05:12] <Nixus> anyone know of an alternative task switcher when you press "alt-tab" thanks
[05:14] <bazhang> for xfce4?
[05:15] <Unit193> Well you can change your window manager.
[05:28] <Nixus> yeh
[05:28] <Nixus> like?
[05:28] <Nixus> I want something lightweight like xfwm
[06:15] <Nixus> my Xubuntu 14.04 does an instant shutdown, then power up again when I press the power button. Any help is appreciated. Thank you !
[06:35] <onr> how to pronounce it? ex-ubuntu
[06:36] <onr> or like you say xylophone? or zubuntu? maybe shubuntu (chinese-esque)?
[06:37] <onr> i've been using xubuntu but this keeps my mind busy for a while
[06:37] <onr> *for years
[06:37] <cfhowlett> surely there are other aspects of ubuntu more deserving of your valuable intellect???
[06:40] <onr> it's embarrassing, i can't tell anyone i'm using xubuntu, just because i can't pronounce it
[06:40] <cfhowlett> onr, just say ubuntu.  done.  nextt.
[06:40] <onr> i say i use ubuntu with xfce if i really have to (and i pronounce it "x face")
[06:45] <Nixus>  my Xubuntu 14.04 does an instant shutdown, then power up again when I press the power button. Any help is appreciated. Thank you !
[06:46] <Nixus> fresh install
[06:46] <Unit193> Xubuntu (/zuːˈbuːntuː/ zoo-BOON-too)
[06:47] <onr> yay zubuntu!
[06:47] <onr> thanks Unit193
[06:47] <Unit193> Sure.
[06:48] <onr> Nixus: settings > power manager > "when power button is pressed" > ?
[13:32] <bennypr0fane> I'm trying to get the "open as administrator" option in Thunar file manager. It has this sort of extensions manager for that, but no extensions there to install. Would anyone happen to know which package I would need for that?
[13:34] <elfy> bennypr0fane: I add custom actions to do that
[13:34] <elfy> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/custom-actions
[13:34] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThunarCustomActions
[13:35] <elfy> if you do that - bear in mind we no longer have gksu installed - so that will need installing or replace gksu with pkexec and it'll work
[13:39] <bennypr0fane> elfy: I have gksu installed
[13:42] <elfy> then they should work as it shows on those pages
[13:44] <bennypr0fane> elfy: thanks. "custom actions" is what I meant with "add-on manager". I defined the "open folder as root" one now, but it doens't show up in the context menu when I right-click a folder. it's ther only when clicking on files
[13:46] <elfy> what command do you have for the actions?
[13:47] <bennypr0fane> gksudo thunar %f
[13:48] <bennypr0fane> what's the differnece between gksu and gksudo anyway?
[13:48] <elfy> mmm - should work, pkexec thunar %f works here - pretty sure I just changed that to pkexec
[13:51] <bennypr0fane> I can't know if it works, I don't even get the opportunity to try it :-D
[13:51] <bennypr0fane> btw which irc client would you recommend for Xfce? Is X-Chat the best for you?
[13:52] <elfy> using hexchat currently
[13:52] <bennypr0fane> elfy: cool, gonna try that
[13:52] <elfy> have you closed and re-opened thunar?
[13:53] <bennypr0fane> xchat is a bit tooo...basic for my taste
[13:53] <elfy> hexchat is more or less a maintained xchat
[13:54] <bennypr0fane> ok, thanks for your help!
[14:56] <remline> elfy, interesting, hexchat is news to me. Why does Xubuntu ship with XChat instead of hexchat?
[14:57] <cfhowlett> remline, no one noticed that xchat has been deprecated.  perhaps a bug report?
[14:58] <remline> It looks like xchat code hasn't been touched for 5 years
[15:03]  * remline is now using hexchat, just installed via apt-get
[15:04] <brainwash> remline: xubuntu 14.10 does not install xchat anymore
[15:04] <remline> brainwash, thanks for the info, I am on trusty. Did they replace xchat, or just remove it?
[15:04] <elfy> just removed it
[15:04] <brainwash> "XChat is removed from the default installation; we recommend trying the Pidgin IRC feature if you need to connect sporadically."
[15:04] <Meerkat> so xubuntu comes with no IRC client?
[15:05] <remline> I tried to use Pidgin for IRC once, but I couldn't understand its interface. I'm just too used to mIRC/xchat style.
[15:07] <brainwash> the question is, why isn't heychat installed as replacement then
[15:07] <brainwash> hexchat
[15:14] <remline> Does anyone use Dropbox? What's up with the ugly white+transparent tray icon?
[15:21] <brainwash> remline: the dropbox app has been rewritten recently and people started complaining about the tray icon. it either went missing or the appearance was broken
[15:21] <brainwash> https://www.dropboxforum.com/hc/en-us/search?commit=Search&query=icon
[15:24] <remline> brainwash, that looks like a very ecumenical issue. People on Win, Mac, and linux are all having problems with the tray icon :)
[15:25] <remline> Fortunately mine hasn't disappeared -- it just looks ugly
[15:27] <brainwash> on would think that dropbox has the resources to test this properly and not release some beta software
[15:28] <remline> I'm thankful that they release a Linux client at all
[15:28] <cfhowlett> remline, likewise
[16:30] <Nixus> my Xubuntu 14.04 does an instant shutdown, then power up again when I press the power button. Any help is appreciated. Thank you !
[16:31] <Nixus> It's a fresh install also.
[16:34] <Nixus> anyone?
[16:40] <Nixus> ?
[16:51] <Nixus> !patience
[19:21] <Nixus2> Anyone know how to make Xubuntu execute keys after suspend? Thanks!
[19:22] <Azelphur> what do you mean by execute keys?
[19:23] <Azelphur> the laptop is in a very low power state on suspend, I'm not sure it can do anything "after suspend"
[19:25] <Nixus2> So i have a bug when I shut the lid on my laptop, the cursor disappears. But, to get it back, i have to exit GUI (Ctrl alt f1) then go back to GUI (Ctrl alt f7). Can i do make this automated?
[19:25] <Azelphur> Nixus2: not that I know of,
[19:26] <Nixus2> Ok
[19:26] <pleia2> Nixus2: is your system fully up to date? I remember a bug about that a while back, but it was fixed
[19:33] <dxerf> hello
[19:37] <Nixus2> Ehy
[19:38] <Nixus2> Yes, fresh install too after apt-get dist-uograde, etc.
[19:38] <Nixus2> Upgrade*
[19:39] <Nixus2> Is there a command that opens and closes the non-gui terminal?
[19:48] <bekks> Nixus2: Which non-gui terminal?
[19:48] <Nixus2> The ctrl alt f1
[19:49] <Nixus2> Maybe a virtual key press?
[19:49] <Nixus2> So ctrl alt f1, then ctrl alt f7? I don't have coding experience
[19:52] <bekks> that switching terminals, not closing them.
[19:52] <bekks> If you want to close them, type "exit" and press enter.
[19:59] <Nixus2> Ctrl f7 goes back to GUI
[19:59] <Nixus2> Ctrl alt f7*
[19:59] <bekks> Yes, but it does not "close" any terminals.
[19:59] <Nixus2> I have to deal with the cursor disappearing, or having my power button do an instant restart... :-/
[20:03] <Nixus2> Eq
[20:03] <Nixus2> Each issue in either 14.04 or 14.10
[20:11] <dxerf> is there a way in xfce to not have a window move between virtual screens if I drag it to the end of the window?
[20:12] <Hund> dxerf: Check settings.
[20:13] <Hund> dxerf: I know its there somewhere. :P I dont remember where though.
[20:13] <dxerf> Hund: heh, no prob...I'll dig around
[20:13] <dxerf> new to xfce4
[20:15] <Hund> dxerf: Im not using Xfce atm so I cant check. :P
[20:15] <Hund> dxerf: And welcome!
[20:16] <dxerf> no prob, I'm on a mac right now myself.  And thanks!
[20:16] <dxerf> I love gnome but the notifications and docky crashing sorta made it...uh...frustrating?
[20:16] <Hund> dxerf: Im going to pretend I didnt heard that. ;) haha
[20:17] <Hund> I stopped using GNOME when they released version 3.
[20:17] <dxerf> haha I understand..  It's work related mostly although I got a mac mini for at home so I can keep comfortable with it.  If it helps the Linux box is the most powerful box in the house?
[20:18] <Hund> haha! I dont mind what others are using. Its fun to tease people though. :P
[20:18] <dxerf> I still go back to it a little bit but xfce is incredibly fast and maybe not as "showy" but if I can have a dock that doesn't crash all the time...I can be okay with that. :)
[20:18] <dxerf> I understand...  Mac != compile kernel = "less cool points"
[20:19] <Nixus2> Anyone know of a lighterwight version of mint XFCE? Dont need all the included stuff
[20:19] <Hund> dxerf: Have you tried Mate? Its a fork of Gnome 2.
[20:20] <Hund> Nixus2: Dont they have a minimal version?
[20:20] <Hund> Nixus2: So you can install all the packages yourself.
[20:20] <Nixus2> Kinda want XFCE
[20:20] <Nixus2> Yes hund
[20:21] <Hund> Nixus2: I never said you couldnt install Xfce. :P
[20:21] <Nixus2> Most*
[20:21] <dxerf> Hund: I haven't..  It wasn't on Ubuntu for a while and then I just tried to stick it out with gnome-shell.  I like what gnome-shell is trying to do, they just need to step back, work on it for longer and make a better release.
[20:21] <Nixus2> Well..
[20:22] <Nixus2> Id have to remove all the mate dependencies and stuff
[20:23] <Hund> dxerf: Ah! :)
[20:23] <Hund> Nixus2: Remove Mate deps? Im not sure Im following you now. :P
[20:23] <Nixus2> Why?
[20:24] <Hund> Nixus2: I never mentioned Mate.
[20:24] <Nixus2> Yes?
[20:24] <Hund> Nixus2: I wasnt talking to you when I mentioned Mate.
[20:25] <Nixus2> Oh!
[20:25] <Nixus2> Im sorry
[20:25] <Hund> :D
[20:25] <Nixus2> :-P
[20:26] <Hund> Nixus2: I checked and they dont have a minimal version.
[20:26] <Nixus2> Yeah, just as i thoughg
[20:27] <Hund> Nixus2: But if you dont want all the "extra" whats the point in installting Mint? Why not Xubuntu?
[20:27] <Nixus2> Too bad debian doesnt support steam...
[20:30] <Nixus2> Is there a lightweight distro using xfce for me? Have about 6-7 months of linux experience. I am fine with using google, etc.
[20:30] <Hund> Nixus2: Xubuntu? :P
[20:30] <Nixus2> I have issues :-/
[20:30] <Hund> What kinds of issues?
[20:31] <Nixus2> Either my mouse disappearing or my power button doing a force restart
[20:31] <Nixus2> Each in different versions. The curaor issue in 14.10, and the power button in 14.04
[20:32] <Hund> Nixus2: When does it disappear?
[20:32] <Nixus2> When i shut my laptop lid.
[20:32] <Nixus2> To get it back, i have to do ctrl alt f1, then ctrl alt f7
[20:33] <Hund> Nixus2: Have you tried disabling screen lock?
[20:33] <Nixus2> Yes, i dont use one in the first place either
[20:34] <Nixus2> bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1297144 comment #26
[20:34] <Hund> Nixus2: Its a know bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1297144
[20:34] <Hund> Oh
[20:35] <Nixus2> Some people are having the issue after removing lock screen, like !e
[20:35] <Nixus2> Me*
[20:35] <Hund> Well, then you play the waiting game. :P
[20:35] <Nixus2> -_-
[20:36] <Nixus2> Maybe a different distro?
[20:37] <Hund> Thats a solution. Not something I would recomend as you most likley will run into the same problem on another distro.
[20:40] <Nixus2> The cursor didnt disappear in 14.04...
[20:41] <Hund> Nixus2: Thats a older version. I think its a LTS version though. But old stuff is boring. :P
[20:41] <Nixus2> I guess....
[20:41] <Nixus2> Its lts
[20:43] <Hund> But I really dont see that as a dealbreaker bug though.
[20:43] <Hund> But its kinda old. Thats a bit worrying.
[20:44] <Hund> How about trying the upcoming version 15.04?
[20:45] <Nixus2> Not out yet...
[20:45] <Hund> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[20:45] <bekks> Hund: Thats 14.10, not 15.04
[20:46] <Hund> bekks: What?
[20:46] <Nixus2> Maybe!
[20:46] <bekks> Hund: That daily live isnt 15.04, but 14.10 based.
[20:47] <Hund> bekks: Oh? But it says 15.04?
[20:48] <bekks> Hund: Oh, so they changed that link. Nevermind :)
[20:48] <Hund> bekks: :D
[20:48] <bekks> Nonetheless, you shouldnt use 15.04 unless you can handle bugs on your own ;)
[21:48] <xubuntu996> hi
[21:48] <xubuntu996> Puedo hablar en español?
[21:48] <knome> !es | xubuntu996
[21:49] <xubuntu996> ok thanks
[22:23] <remline> I just found the option to allow drag and drop reordering of the window buttons. Nice!


[14:18] <bean787338> hi
[14:19] <bean787338> is it possible to control the system volume of ubuntu with java ?
[14:20] <bean787338> I tried with JavaSoundAPI but this didn't work really good ... and a do not want to call a compiled C/Alsa Lib code with JNI to do that?


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[01:37] <bdmurray> nacc: So something was wrong with the Contents.gz file on the retracer which caused the retrace to fail because it couldn't find the package for the executable.
[01:49] <nacc> bdmurray: interestin
[03:08] <nacc> xevious: i'll ping you when i'm in tmrw
[12:16] <Mirv> mitya57: tsimonq2: looks like Qt LTS for Ubuntu LTS, right? nice to finally have that combination :)
[12:25] <acheronuk_> Mirv: that is the idea :)
[12:25] <Mirv> :)
[12:30] <tsimonq2> Mirv: yep :D
[12:31] <tsimonq2> Mirv: #ubuntu-qt is a thing btw :D
[12:46] <seb128> wgrant, cjwatson, do you have any idea why recent bionic uploads for e.g gnome-sudoku or gtk+3.0 don't have their translations getting imported? for example https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/gtk+3.0/+imports is empty? the build have what looks like valid translations tarball exported, like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+upload/17639672/+files/gtk+3.0_3.22.28-1ubuntu2_amd64_translations.tar.gz
[12:49] <Mirv> tsimonq2: oh!
[13:07] <cjwatson> seb128: The job that processes translations uploads seems to have been stuck in some kind of rather sad state since we rebooted our master DB server overnight.  I've got the stuck job killed and we'll see if the next run gets anywhere.  (I'm not sure whether any failures will be retried, though.)
[13:08] <seb128> cjwatson, ok, thanks. So if it's not sorted out by itself in a few hours I should reupload those? When was the reboot in question (just to know what uploads to check)
[13:09] <cjwatson> 0400 UTC ish
[13:09] <seb128> k, thanks
[13:22] <coreycb> hello release team, please can someone take a look at promoting libapache2-mod-auth-mellon and lasso to main for bug 1610286?
[13:22] <coreycb> they've already received security team ACK
[14:25] <jamespage> coreycb: lets seed those packages so they appear on the mismatches reqport
[14:26] <jamespage> coreycb: have you done that before? (seeding)
[14:26] <coreycb> jamespage: i think so, let me dig up my notes
[14:27] <coreycb> jamespage: ok i'll do that, i may ask you for a review later
[14:27] <jamespage> coreycb: np - I think you'll probably just want to seed libapache2-mod-auth-mellon
[14:28] <coreycb> jamespage: ok
[14:33] <seb128> cjwatson, you are sure that job isn't still (or again) stucked? I re-uploaded gnome-sudoku and I still see nothing in the import queue, it could be pending but usually things show up in the queue without too much delay after build
[14:37] <cjwatson> seb128: there's definitely something stuck, but the way our logging currently is doesn't allow me to tell whether it's just trying to import some huge package or is genuinely stuck :-(
[14:38] <cjwatson> 2018-02-22 12:55:22 INFO    Running <lp.soyuz.model.packagetranslationsuploadjob.PackageTranslationsUploadJob object at 0x7f02085ef4d0> (ID 41183883) in status Waiting
[14:38] <cjwatson> ^- shall I compare thee to a chocolate teapot?
[14:40] <seb128> cjwatson, well I guess let's wait a couple of hours and see if things moved?
[14:53] <cjwatson> seb128: it's importing libreoffice, apparently that takes eons
[14:54] <seb128> cjwatson, libreoffice challenging our infras, as always :) thanks for figuring that out!
[14:55] <cjwatson> seb128: I've just proposed https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/ptuj-repr/+merge/338559 which will make this less annoying to diagnose next time
[14:56] <seb128> cjwatson, great
[15:25] <coreycb> jamespage: does this look ok? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/ubuntu-seeds/platform.bionic/revision/2166
[15:39] <jalt> Hi, is there a place where I can see daily commits towards the upcoming 16.04.4 point release? Basically, a centralized way to see what went into building the daily ISOs, kinda like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/16.04.4 but daily, and with the detail of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+changelog
[15:42] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/ isn't commit-level but is probably your best bet
[15:56] <jalt> thanks cjwatson. sorting that by date basically works for my needs.
[16:04] <jamespage> coreycb: I'd stick it in the OpenStack section
[16:04] <jamespage> so its clear its to support that
[16:05] <coreycb> jamespage: ok i'll do that and push. wasn't sure where to put it.
[16:05] <coreycb> jamespage: thanks for reviewing
[16:21] <nacc> xevious: hey
[16:23] <xevious> Good morning. I'm looking at kronolith now.
[16:24] <nacc> xevious: thanks -- do you want my debdiff as it is now?
[16:24] <nacc> xevious: to start from, i mean
[16:25] <xevious> I got it to the same point already.
[16:25] <nacc> xevious: ah great
[16:33] <xevious> nacc: I'm in a meeting now...
[16:33] <nacc> xevious: np, me too :)
[16:39] <zyga> there's something weird in grub when booting on an efi system (on 18.04), there's clear double-redering of everything and the rendering's don't quite match
[16:39] <zyga> like one has larger font than the other
[16:39] <zyga> the one that is visible in stable state looks like regular grub on efi systems (native panel resolution, etc)
[16:39] <zyga> the other one looks like it's blurry or lower res
[16:39] <zyga> I'll try to grab some images but I was curious if this is known
[16:40] <zyga> the malformed one has black background
[16:40] <zyga> the non-malformed one has aubergine background
[16:41] <xevious> nacc: Ok, I'm back on it.
[16:44] <nacc> xevious: thanks!
[16:46] <nacc> xevious: kronolith is the one that just need something similar to what you did for the tests but to the constructor itself, right?
[16:46] <nacc> xevious: i read somewhere else that many folks switched to using a factory
[16:46] <nacc> but that would change the API, which implies we can't just change it directly
[16:47] <xevious> It looks like it just needs a `@runInSeparateProcess` annotation on a couple tests.
[16:47] <xevious> ...however, if the other tests depend on the on that needs to be run in a separate process, then I'll need to make more extensive changes to the tests.
[16:48] <xevious> s/on that/one that/
[16:48] <xevious> I really wish IRC supported vim-style corrections. :)
[16:48] <xevious> If only Quassel supported plugins, I'd make one to allow it.
[16:49] <zyga> https://twitter.com/zygoon/status/966716431483265024 (for lack of better way to attach movies)
[16:49] <nacc> xevious: yeah, i can see that
[17:15] <xevious> nacc: I sure wish someone had answered this: https://github.com/horde/kronolith/commit/d996704daca092d92144f10d9f3d12e04f2b9dcb#r27678172
[17:16] <nacc> xevious: yeah, i had to do the proper change locally for that part to pass
[17:16] <nacc> xevious: but it's not clear what upstream wants to do
[17:17] <xevious> It passes for me if I just move the closing paren to where it's supposed to be.
[17:17] <nacc> xevious: yeah, that's what i did
[17:18] <nacc> xevious: rather than their upstream fix, which doesn't work
[17:18] <nacc> afaict
[17:18] <xevious> Yikes
[17:18] <nacc> xevious: yeah, it's weird
[17:55] <tjaalton> nacc: hi, have you looked at libglvnd MIR yet?
[17:55] <nacc> tjaalton: was going to today
[17:56] <xevious> nacc: Found one deprecated line in sessionhandler.
[17:57] <tjaalton> nacc: ok, thanks
[17:58] <xevious> ...so far.
[18:02] <sil2100> smoser: hey! Could you verify the grub2 uploads you made to xenial?
[18:03] <sil2100> smoser: we'd like to make place for another grub2 SRU
[18:06] <smoser> ddstreet: yeah... meant to look at taht.
[18:06] <smoser> sil2100: oh. yeah i can . i''m sorry.
[18:06] <smoser> sil2100: bug ?
[18:07] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1527727
[18:07] <smoser> thanks. i'll  look to verify
[18:07] <smoser> rharper: ^
[18:07] <smoser> how can we easily do that...
[18:08] <rharper> smoser: I think run our vmtest without the export and as a late_command installed the proposed package
[18:08] <smoser> but late command woudl be too late
[18:08] <smoser> no ?
[18:08] <rharper> actually, install it into the ephemeral, sorry
[18:08] <rharper> and then the grub install without the env setting will fail to install
[18:09] <smoser> ? no the target grub is used
[18:09] <smoser> hm...
[18:09] <smoser> suck
[18:10] <tjaalton> dpkg-source failed for xorg-server_1.19.6-1ubuntu2.dsc [return: 2]
[18:10] <rharper> well, alternative is to post install, remove the env setting file, add proposed package
[18:10] <tjaalton> what the..
[18:10] <rharper> and then run install-grub via cloud-init commands
[18:10] <tjaalton> upload to bionic rejected
[18:20] <ddstreet> smoser yeah let me know if you have any concerns about lp #1718568
[18:33] <xevious> nacc: Another meeting... sorry for the delay!
[18:34] <nacc> xevious: np! please don't apologize!
[18:36] <smoser> ddstreet: i did wonder what happens if ipv6 is not enabled
[18:36] <smoser> like in kernel or something.
[18:36] <ddstreet> smoser well it should time out in that case
[18:37] <smoser> i think you'll loop to timeout where as before it would be ok.
[18:37] <smoser> before it'd quickly exit
[18:37] <ddstreet> and if someone is trying to set up dhcpv6 when ipv6 is disabled, a timeout shouldn't be unexpected
[18:37] <smoser> fair point
[18:37] <smoser> :)
[18:37] <smoser> is this down a ipv6 dhcp only path ?
[18:38] <ddstreet> yeah, waiting for dad only makes sense for dhcpv6
[18:38] <ddstreet> there is no dad in ipv4
[18:39] <ddstreet> well, dad is ipv6 in general, but as we're talking about dhclient, it would be when it's doing dhcpv6, not dhcpv4
[18:39] <smoser> right. yeah, so yeah. this gets called in PREINIT6
[18:40] <smoser> so it is.
[19:14] <nacc> Laney: how long does it typically take for passes to show up on excuses?
[19:15] <nacc> Laney: context> i'm clicking through the php regressions currently listed and all seem to have passed from my massive retry yesterday, but only some arches are showing pass
[19:15] <nacc> slangasek: --^ you might know as well
[19:17] <slangasek> nacc: if you can see the pass on the autopkgtest web ui, it will also show up in update_excuses in the first full britney run that starts after the website was updated.  So something else is askew and it's not a stale-data issue
[19:18] <slangasek> nacc: specific example?
[19:18] <nacc> slangasek: i wonder if it's because some of the triggers (before I tried with all-proposed=1) were still in the retry attempt?
[19:18] <nacc> slangasek: php-horde-listheaders
[19:19] <slangasek> nacc: are you looking at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/php-horde-listheaders/bionic/armhf for example?
[19:19] <nacc> slangasek: right
[19:19] <nacc> is it becuase it didn't do an all-proposed=1 run with the listheaders trigger?
[19:20] <slangasek> nacc: note that, pathologically, php-horde-listheaders itself is not in the list of triggers, despite it being the correct version being tested
[19:20] <nacc> maybe these came in after my last retrigger blast
[19:20] <nacc> slangasek: yeah, i see what happened, i think
[19:20] <slangasek> so britney fails to credit it to php-horde-listheaders/1.2.5-1ubuntu1 as a "pass", even though the version number listed means it clearly is
[19:21] <nacc> yeah
[19:21] <nacc> slangasek: i think it's because some i had manually done that for, and some i hadn't, so when i used retry-autopkgtest-regressions, some had the correct triggers and some didn't
[19:21] <nacc> slangasek: what's the best way for me to resolve this? retrigger again correctly?
[19:22] <slangasek> nacc: yeah - if it was just the php-horde-listheaders tests showing as regressions currently, I would offer to just skiptest; but since there are several other packages listed as regressing, better to just work through retries in order to get it into a clean state
[19:22] <nacc> slangasek: ack, i'll do that now
[19:30] <xevious> nacc: kronolith is just about done and required updating the patch for sessionhandler.
[19:30] <xevious> I'm running tests now to compare two potential fixes for sessionhandler.
[19:31] <nacc> xevious: thanks!
[19:38] <slangasek> nacc: how close are we to getting php7.2 to migrate?  We need to do a curl migration for openssl1.1, and it'd be nice to have either php7.2 or libunistring out of the way before we start that
[19:40] <nacc> slangasek: well, php7.2 is through, we're working on php-defaults right now
[19:40] <nacc> xevious: is working on the last few
[19:41] <nacc> slangasek: Laney: urgh server error again from request.cgi
[19:41] <slangasek> nacc: oh, I see; so php7.2 7.2.2-1ubuntu1 doesn't really get caught up in anything.  Any concerns about a re-upload of that package while it's in -proposed?
[19:41] <nacc> slangasek: if php-defaults goes through, it's just a matter of migrating these retries through
[19:41] <nacc> slangasek: no, i think that's fine
[19:41] <xevious> nacc: Did you resolve all the stuck packages?
[19:42] <nacc> xevious: i think so, i need to retrigger them correctly and they should migrate
[19:42] <nacc> xevious: well, other than the three you know about in php-defaults
[19:42] <xevious> Cool
[19:42] <nacc> xevious: two of which you seem to have a handle on :)
[19:42] <xevious> Yeah they'll be ready shortly
[19:43] <xevious> Multi-package ADT runs take soooo long
[19:43] <nacc> yeah
[19:43] <nacc> xevious: actually, no, wait, they shoudn't take noticeably longer
[19:43] <nacc> xevious: oh you need to build them both?
[19:43] <nacc> xevious: i use sbuild to build locally and then just pass the deb in
[19:56] <sunweave1> hi! has the sync of new packages between sid and bionic already been frozen?
[19:57] <sunweave1> I have uploaded x2goserver to sid, bt it does not land in bionc?
[19:57] <sunweave1> is there still a chance to get it in?
[19:59] <sarnold> sunweave1: looks like debian import freeze is march 1 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[20:00] <sarnold> after that syncs have to be made by hand
[20:01] <sunweave1> that affects packes already in unstable for a while...
[20:01] <sunweave1> x2goserver ust entered unstable (was in exp before)
[20:02] <sunweave1> sarnold: is there a difference between pkgs already there and pkgs just entering?
[20:02] <sarnold> sunweave1: I haven't heard of one, but I'm not too experienced here
[20:04] <sunweaver> anyone else around who can provide info or even tag X2Go Server for syncing?
[20:08] <sarnold> sunweaver: sweet, looks like the import already happened: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/x2goserver
[20:10] <sarnold> sunweaver: hrm, looks like nxagent is needed but missing http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#x2goserver
[20:11] <sarnold> I don't know if one uninstallable binary package is sufficient to block the others or not
[20:12] <sunweaver> nx-libs src:pkg is in unstable, too
[20:12] <sunweaver> which provides bin:pkg nxagent
[20:14] <sarnold> curious. launchpad knows about that in debian https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/nx-libs but doesn't have it imported into ubuntu yet
[20:19] <sunweaver> and that page says it is supposed to go into release(main)
[20:19] <sunweaver> not universe
[20:19] <sarnold> I think the /debian/+source/ pages reflect where it lives in debian
[20:20] <sunweaver> flexiondotorg: ^^^
[20:20] <sunweaver> xnox: ^^^
[20:20] <sunweaver> can you shed some light on the above issue?
[20:21] <sunweaver> sarnold: thanks!
[20:42] <xevious> nacc: I'm seeing something weird... adt-run gets all the way through kronolith's phpunit tests, then it dies. I'll make a pastebin of the last few lines.
[20:43] <nacc> xevious: ok
[20:43] <xevious> nacc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BwZKND8SQZ/
[20:43] <nacc> xevious: weird, maybe a bug, want to pass me your debdiff and i can tes locally?
[20:44] <xevious> I'm running adt-run with two `--source` parameters, the first pointing to my sessionhandler .dsc and the second pointing to my kronolith .dsc
[20:44] <xevious> Yeah, I'll make debdiffs and pop them on the ticket.
[20:45] <nacc> xevious: that's fine, i hav eyour sessionhandler alreayd built here
[20:45] <xevious> I had to change it.
[20:45] <nacc> i guess i need to rebuild, but sure
[20:45] <nacc> yeah
[20:45] <nacc> i'm going to walk the dogs, i'll check in when i'm back
[20:45] <xevious> Sounds good.
[20:48] <xevious> nacc: Delete the sessionhandler debdiff you've currently got because I changed it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-horde-sessionhandler/+bug/1749783/comments/21
[20:49] <xevious> nacc: Here's the kronolith package debdiff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-horde-sessionhandler/+bug/1749783/comments/22
[20:49] <xevious> I'm gonna go put some food in my face hole.
[21:29] <nacc> xevious: ack on both
[21:29] <xevious> I'm back now.
[21:37] <nacc> xevious: any ideas on the horde-kolab-storage?
[21:37] <nacc> xevious: i'm building/testing your two now
[21:37] <xevious> I'll start looking at that now.
[21:38] <nacc> xevious: thanks
[21:42] <nacc> xevious: nice, i can confirm both pass now!
[21:42] <nacc> xevious: uploading
[22:43] <sil2100> smoser: hey! The grub2 SRU for xenial you made seems to have gotten an automatic verification-failed due to a possible regression found by the bot
[22:43] <sil2100> smoser: could you look into that?
[22:44] <sil2100> smoser: LP: #1527727
[22:52] <nacc> xevious: any luck with kolab-storage?
[22:52] <nacc> xevious: i just retriggered the php-defaults tests with the two uploaded
[22:52] <xevious> Had to do a few code reviews. Getting back to it now.
[22:53] <nacc> xevious: note that even with the dep8 tests working, we'll need to unblock gosa and cakephp from LP: #1749745 I expect
[22:53] <nacc> since they will be come uinnstallable
[22:53] <nacc> luckily both upstreams have issues/trackers for them
[22:54] <xevious> Will that prevent php-defaults from moving out of proposed?
[22:54] <nacc> xevious: yeah
[22:54] <nacc> that's what update_output.txt is (will) show
[23:02] <nacc> slangasek: --^ do you have an opinion on that (beyond observing the current situation)? I'm tempted to remove gosa*, zoneminder and cakephp
[23:13] <slangasek> nacc: I have no opinions, I merely identified that there were revdeps not named in your removal request :)


[15:55] <habeangur> hi all, sorry that I ask this question again, is there anyway to do the action which Switch User button does in lxsession-logout from command line?
[15:57] <habeangur> If yes how? and if no(in #lubuntu they said no, but I want to make sure) is it reasonable to add command line option to do this and also for other buttons?
 hey guys i've discovered an error on my Lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS with the function key that enable/disable de audio. I use a Gateway Laptop with a AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-30 proccesor and 1,5 GB of RAM
[19:14] <lubot10> Any clues what can be happening?
[19:16] <wxl> @Hyuuga_Neji: this channel is mainly for development. you can try #lubuntu on Freenode IRC or email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>What I would suggest, though, is comparing what your computer thinks its getting from the key (see the `xev` command) and what the OpenBox configuration expects to get.
 OK sorry if I disturb... i'm gonna use that mail list right now 'cause it's a little headache the option to use IRC
 Once we get an Ack from the IRC Council, we can bridge a group to #lubuntu as well
[19:24] <wxl> is that in progress, @tsimonq2?
 @wxl, I want Kubuntu to lead the way because I tried but I got a nack from an IRC Team member so the bot doesn't run in those channels
 It's all ready to go, I just don't want to get grumbled at
 Aardvark svgs :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1717309
 umm. wrong chat. lol
[19:48] <wxl> @tsimonq2 how's that going with kubuntu? whos' leading the way?
 @wxl, Ask valorie
 https://twitter.com/launchpadstatus/status/908694246726656000
 Sorry for leaving
[20:49] <lubot10> wallison was removed by: wallison
 (Document) http://vps.tsimonq2.net:9090//file_716.mp4


[12:02] <geekosopher> hello all, I had mailed a patch to kubuntu-doc>audio.xml a few days ago on the mailing list. Can someone spare a few minutes to review it? here is the link - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-September/015257.html
[12:03] <geekosopher> oops that is the link to the mail... here is the link to attachment - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/attachments/20100929/9315504f/attachment.diff
[23:00] <newz2000> Hi, I was wondering if there is an ETA for the 10.10 server guide to be published at (presumably) https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/index.html


[00:00] <mgz> rogpeppe: https://codereview.appspot.com/95780044
[04:26] <axisys> juju does not start hadoop units in local environment .. showing pending..
[04:27] <axisys> using 1.19.1-trusty-amd64 from ppa:juju/devel
[04:27] <axisys> log http://paste.ubuntu.com/7334753/
[17:01] <axisys>
[17:26] <mgz> anyone remember if there's a good reason to stay with go 1.1.2 on the bot?
[17:26] <mgz> I can't land the go.crypto update atm as it wants a few cypher constants that don't exist on that apparently
[17:30] <mgz> seems 1.1.2 is the newest we have in the golang ppa... so stuck for now