[17:13] <boredandblogging> MTecknology: why is the linkedin thing on the fridge?
[17:13] <boredandblogging> not really appropriate
[17:14] <boredandblogging> it reads more like a blog post than anything else
[17:14] <boredandblogging> I'm pulling it
[17:15] <boredandblogging> MTecknology: think you might want to ask us before posting
[17:44] <Tumie> when Jaunty Beta comes ?
[17:44] <james_w> in a few hours if all goes well
[17:44] <Tumie> ok :)
[17:46] <Tumie> james_w: are you a developer ?
[17:47] <james_w> I'm a MOTU, yeah
[17:48] <Tumie> nice
[17:48] <Tumie> i'm just a part of the dutch documentation team, (for 2 weeks now :p )
[17:51] <Tumie> james_w: can you ping me when it is released ?
[17:52] <james_w> I'll probably be gone by then sorry
[17:52] <Tumie> ok
[17:52] <james_w> ETA is about 4 hours I believe
[17:52] <james_w> but that could easily change
[17:53] <MTecknology> boredandblogging: sorry, I'd pull it if you didn't already.
[17:53] <Tumie> ok, does it show up on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ ?
[17:53] <MTecknology> boredandblogging: If it was written more like an article and less like a blog would it be good for the fridge? - Not that I'll put it back at all
[17:54] <james_w> Tumie: I think so
[18:51] <MTecknology> boredandblogging: oh - the reason I put it on the Fridge is because I considered it advocacy
[19:48] <Tumie> james_w: is ext4 safe to use ?
[20:37] <Tumie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/ , he's empty !
[21:17] <james_w> Tumie: I wouldn't use ext4 if you don't have good backups
[21:18] <Tumie> ok, so it still isn't safe?
[21:19] <james_w> well, no file system is safe
[21:19] <james_w> but it is still quite new, so there would be a higher chance of problems
[21:20] <james_w> plus some changes in behaviour that it has are causing some issues that you may have heard about
[21:20] <Tumie> i heard that some files are stored in the RAM for a long time, before placed on the harddisk
[21:21] <james_w> yeah, that's the gist of it
[21:21] <james_w> most filesystems do that, but the cases where it happens on ext4 are a bit different
[21:22] <Tumie> and does the beta comes in 10 minutes, or can i go for a good night sleep ?


[06:33] <cpaelzer> good morning
[07:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:52] <muhaha> Any alternative to heirloom-mailx, where can I specify SMTP host,credentials as argument? I need simple oneliner. Thanks
[10:55] <Nafallo> muhaha: sendemail for example
[11:08] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: rbasak: hi, could I get a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/libmspack/+git/libmspack/+merge/361459 please?
[11:11] <muhaha> Nafallo anything else?
[11:13] <muhaha> seems that msmtp has this option
[11:16] <Nafallo> muhaha: probably, but that's the one I have used in scripts when I need to send attachements automatically ;-)
[11:29] <rbasak> ahasenack: yes. Doing it now.
[11:29] <ahasenack> rbasak: thanks
[11:32] <rbasak> ahasenack: done
[11:32] <ahasenack> thanks
[11:36] <cpaelzer> I was at it as well
[11:36] <cpaelzer> well +1 as well :-)
[11:37] <ahasenack> even better :)
[11:44] <eugenio> Hi all, I'm updating a 18.04 server, but the network seems to be very slow. I want to reboot the system and restart the update. The question is: is safe to stop the apt-get update with ctrl+x? May I damage the apt-get system? In case of yes could I stop, reboot and relaunch the apt-get with problems?
[11:51] <ahasenack> eugenio: if it's just downloading packages, then ctrl-c is safe
[11:51] <ahasenack> if it's already installing packages, then better not
[11:52] <eugenio> ahasenack, ok, it is still downloading
[11:52] <eugenio> ahasenack, when I start again the update it will start from the point where I left or from the beginning agin?
[11:53] <ahasenack> eugenio: it will pick up where it was stopped
[11:53] <eugenio> Ok, perfect thanks ahasenack
[11:56] <eugenio> ahasenack, actually there was a problem with the network, now I have reboot the server and the upgrade proceeded very fast. How can I investigate to find what was the problem?
[11:57] <ahasenack> no idea, and usually networks problems don't require reboots
[11:58] <eugenio> ahasenack, how can investigate the reason why the network download speed was so slow?
[11:58] <ahasenack> so many ways
[11:58] <ahasenack> try another mirror,
[11:58] <ahasenack> check speedtest
[11:59] <ahasenack> try a random site, see if it maxes out our download bandwidth or not
[11:59] <ahasenack> if the problem is high latency, maybe you have a dns resolution problem and should switch dns servers
[11:59] <ahasenack> check your network card for errors
[12:01] <ahasenack> rbasak: are you looking into the mariadb dep8 failures in excuses?
[12:02] <rbasak> ahasenack: no but I need to, thanks
[12:03] <ahasenack> hm, haproxy wants pcre2
[12:03] <ahasenack> this will be fun
[12:14] <ahasenack> rbasak: juliank might have raced you
[12:14] <ahasenack> mariadb-10.1 (1:10.1.37-3ubuntu3) disco; urgency=medium
[12:14] <ahasenack>   * Cherry pick upstream patch to fix test suite for 2019
[12:15] <rbasak> Ah. Thanks.
[14:25] <DenBeiren> hi all
[14:25] <DenBeiren> i'm struggling with mounting a networked drive to my system
[14:25] <DenBeiren> i put this in fstab
[14:25] <DenBeiren> https://pastebin.com/kPkMPtvm
[14:25] <DenBeiren> but it gets mounted as root, so the user has no rights there
[14:25] <DenBeiren> what am i missing?
[14:28] <cryptodan> DenBeiren: the user should be mounting this on a as use basis
[14:29] <DenBeiren> i also used https://pastebin.com/z4eVTugQ
[14:29] <DenBeiren> what do you mean by "as use" ?
[14:30] <cryptodan> DenBeiren: via their login as it shouldn't be mounted as root on boot so setup the user on the device if its a nas and see if the user can access it via fuse or gvfs
[14:32] <DenBeiren> the last pastebin i posted should mount it as user/pass on boot no?
[14:33] <DenBeiren> it's a ubuntu 18.04 server that needs to mount a share from a syno nas
[14:33] <DenBeiren> and the user needs rw rights on that mounted share
[14:34] <cryptodan> so the server is mounting the nas and the user is connecting to the server to access the nas?
[14:35] <DenBeiren> almost :-) the user on the server needs to access the nas
[14:40] <cryptodan> why not just connect to the nas via the users terminal without the server in the picture?
[14:42] <DenBeiren> because on the server the user runs some programs,.. so it's the server's user that needs access to the nas
[14:44] <cryptodan> does the user exist on the nas and the server with same credentials?
[14:45] <DenBeiren> yes
[14:48] <cryptodan> the only way I can see you doing this is by moving the stuff on the nas to the server and doing it that way. might be easier to do as you arent messing with 2 mounts
[16:55] <friendlyguy> hi there! i am wondering if someone can help me to join a 18.04.1 machine to ad? currently i cant get a kerberos ticket. "kinit: Cannot contact any KDC for realm 'OUR.DOMAIN.LOCAL' while getting initial credentials"
[16:55] <friendlyguy> dns resolution is working, i can ping the dc.
[16:55] <mybalzitch> can you query the srv records?
[16:56] <mybalzitch> like, are you using the AD DNS server for resolution?
[16:56] <friendlyguy> i am, let me try to do that
[16:57] <ahasenack> friendlyguy: yeah, the magic works best if you are using the actual ad server as your dns
[16:58] <ahasenack> failing that, add the details to /etc/krb5.conf, just follow the examples in that file
[17:13] <friendlyguy> mybalzitch: holy crap... found the issue
[17:13] <friendlyguy> avahi
[17:13] <friendlyguy> it was interfering with .local
[17:13] <ahasenack> heh
[17:24] <sdeziel> the annoying .local ;)
[17:35] <mybalzitch> friendlyguy: glad you got it sorted!!!
[20:48] <sayi> hi, looking for good step by step guide on how to build latest squid server /or a ver that supports TLS/MITM on ubuntu 18.04?


[10:06] <daniele_982> hello all, i've a vaio vgn fz18m and i want know when the brigthness and fn keys work
[10:06] <daniele_982> i've seen that this isn't a channel for support but i've not understand what's his scope
[20:52] <render1> hi all, anyone out there that can help me with getting audio capture working on my laptop?


[14:34] <balaji> Hi
[14:35] <alkisg> Hi
[14:35] <balaji> I would like to install sis630e vga driver in linux
[14:35] <balaji> please help me
[14:36] <balaji> u there?
[14:36] <alkisg> Please use #ubuntu for generic ubuntu questions... this channel is specific to the edubuntu version, i.e. for education matters.
[14:36] <balaji> sorry sir
[16:26] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I love the new
[16:26] <bencrisford> *your new blog theme
[16:26] <bencrisford> sorry, can't type today :P
[16:39] <highvoltage> bencrisford: hehe, thanks :)
[16:39] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I'm not much better today either :)
[16:39] <bencrisford> highvoltage: :)
[19:52] <hybridvigour> greetings
[19:52] <highvoltage> hey hybridvigour
[19:52] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: hi, thought you would come here
[19:52] <sebsebseb> uh wrong one
[19:52] <sebsebseb> that was meant to be sent to hybridvigour
[19:53] <highvoltage> ok :)
[19:53] <hybridvigour> highvoltage: greetings
[19:53] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: how did you guess
[19:53] <hybridvigour> ?
[19:53] <hybridvigour> :)
[19:53] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: also  in  the past they have run Edubuntu sessions for Ubuntu Open Week, telling people about it, and their are logs,  but yeah the guys here can tell you more about it, as I suggested in #ubuntu
[19:54] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool
[19:54] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: Aren't you one of the devs of Edubuntu ?
[19:54] <sebsebseb> !openweek | hybridvigour
[19:55] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: message is out of date, link is still good :)
[19:55] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: yep
[19:56] <hybridvigour> hello edubuntu people, i'm setting up a bunch of donated laptops with educational software for a school in malawi and was hoping to learn about networking, any leads and/or advice is more than welcome
[19:56] <hybridvigour> thanks in advance
[19:56] <highvoltage> hybridvigour: what kind of networking advice do you need?
[19:57] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour:  For the past few releases after a new release, they run Open Week.  Next one will be the day after the 10.10 release. However as far as I know you should keep the lap tops on 10.04 since LTS.
[19:58] <highvoltage> 10.10 is also going to be a somewhat risky release with lots of new technology, probably not the best choice for old hardware :)
[19:58] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: new technology such as?
[19:58] <hybridvigour> highvoltage: well the ABC's for now and eventually all the bells and whistles (i will be sending someone over to malawi and would like to arm them with as much info as possible to be able to make it all happen) are there ebooks or something of that sort that i can dl
[19:58] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: btrfs, for one
[19:58] <sebsebseb> other than the obvious of course,  new kernel, slightly later version of Gnome
[19:58] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: right sure btrfs, but that won't be the default for 10.10
[19:59] <hybridvigour> highvoltage: right
[19:59] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: it also jumps from kernel 2.6.32 to 2.6.35... probably going to have some impact for old devices
[19:59] <sebsebseb> also btrfs has been around like two years, but not even Fedora is doing it as default just yet.  seems they will on like Fedora 15
[19:59] <sebsebseb> ah yes thats right
[19:59] <sebsebseb> now I remember
[19:59] <highvoltage> sebsebseb: also has a new xorg that has many changes, it's going to have an effect on people who need proprietary drivers
[19:59] <sebsebseb> 10.10 lacks support for i586 or something like that
[20:00] <highvoltage> yep.
[20:00] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: I warned hybridvigour in #ubuntu  that 10.04 should be fine,  as long as no propritary drivers for ATI or Nivida are installed, since the boot up can mess up,  and as you probably know I mean Plymouth
[20:01] <highvoltage> so for machines older than 5 years I personally wouldn't install 10.10 on them. I'd install 10.04 on them and then that system can die with the hardware one die
[20:01] <highvoltage> *day
[20:01] <sebsebseb> and I have had issues on other computer, and I am hoping 10.10 will be more fixed for that
[20:01] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: yeah indeed 10.04 is good, since the three years of support
[20:01] <sebsebseb> for this kind of thing
[20:01] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[20:02] <sebsebseb> highvoltage: uhmm right so  this channel isn't that active at the moment
[20:02] <sebsebseb> ah wrong one again
[20:02] <sebsebseb> stily auto compelte
[20:02] <sebsebseb> silly
[20:03] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: so a good start is to check out the Edubuntu website of course, but to also read Open Week Edubuntu session logs :)
[20:03] <hybridvigour> so, is there a way for me to get 10.04 with all the bells and whistles i.e. the fixes and such since release or is that done with updating after install?
[20:04] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: right
[20:04] <sebsebseb> with Ubuntu releases a release comes out, and then useually its only security fixes after, with some exceptions
[20:04] <hybridvigour> k
[20:04] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: for example the server version of 10.04, well the Linux kernel that is currently used won't be supported for five years, so a later kernel will get back ported
[20:07] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool
[20:08] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: if you want to learn more about Ubuntu, then those Open Week logs are great,  just like the user day ones are. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[20:08] <sebsebseb> also this is a great download to get
[20:08] <sebsebseb> a free PDF
[20:08] <hybridvigour> also part of the challenge is that once on the ground at the school in malawi there will be limited to no connectivity so upgrades and updates once i'm done installing here in canada become next to impossible
[20:08] <sebsebseb> !manual | hybridvigour
[20:09] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: well I guess highvoltage reolized that
[20:09] <sebsebseb> hence the thing about put the software on, and let it die with the hardware
[20:09] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: i was about the thank the bot again! but thank you that is exactly what i need
[20:09] <hybridvigour> nice
[20:10] <sebsebseb> theres also a good  Ubuntu Pocket Guide you can download again
[20:10] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Do you know about the One Lap Top per child project by the way?
[20:10] <sebsebseb> If not you should find out about that really
[20:11] <hybridvigour> i have heard about it
[20:11] <sebsebseb> anyway if the computers  aren't Internet connected well then they will be rather secure as well
[20:11] <hybridvigour> i will take a look for sure prolly have a lot to teach me for sure
[20:11] <sebsebseb> so it doesn't really matter about security updates, when not Internet connected
[20:12] <hybridvigour> of course
[20:12] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: when I virtual machined Edubuntu 10.04 I didn't like the default look of it much at all,  compared to 9.10 for example.  oh sure looks can be changed
[20:12] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: is there a "but"?
[20:13] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: I guess it doesn't really matter much which version of the OS is on there, if they aren't going to be Internet connected
[20:13] <sebsebseb> mhall119:  has his project based on Ubuntu for kids as well
[20:14] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: qimo or something
[20:14] <mhall119> yes, http://www.qimo4kids.com
[20:14] <sebsebseb> yep that
[20:15] <hybridvigour> hunh... nice is that a skin or an actual OS
[20:15] <mhall119> it's a modified version of Xubuntu
[20:15] <hybridvigour> right
[20:15] <sebsebseb> mhall119: basically  hybridvigour wants to put Educational software on a load of lap tops, but once he is  done, they will probably not get Internet connected again
[20:15] <hybridvigour> cool
[20:15] <mhall119> but there's packages in the Lucid repos to apply it to standard Ubuntu
[20:16] <mhall119> Qimo is designed to run disconnected
[20:16] <mhall119> but it's tailored to 3 year olds to about 12 year olds
[20:16] <mhall119> any older than that, and the games don't hold their interest much
[20:17] <hybridvigour> hmmm...
[20:17] <sebsebseb> !info gcompris
[20:17] <sebsebseb> !info child's play
[20:17] <sebsebseb> !info childsplay
[20:18] <hybridvigour> mhall119: knowing the school it's ages 5 or six up until adults
[20:18] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: right well heres the good news
[20:18] <sebsebseb> then
[20:18] <sebsebseb> there is educational software for older people as well
[20:18] <hybridvigour> lol
[20:18] <sebsebseb> there are like packages you can install that will put on like primary education, secondary education etc
[20:18] <hybridvigour> awesome
[20:18] <hybridvigour> good news indeed
[20:18] <hybridvigour> k
[20:18] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Edubuntu looks well very childish
[20:19] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: and had some sort of network feature, so schools can set up computers running it
[20:19] <sebsebseb> however you can network standard Ubuntu as well of course :) and like I said in #ubuntu you can install the Edubuntu apps in that anyway
[20:20] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: to be honest with you,  if these computers are never going to get Internet connected,  I probaby woudn't actsaully go with later versions of Ubuntu
[20:21] <sebsebseb> instead I would go for like 9.04, 8.10, or 8.04.   9.04 will run out of support at the end of October this year.  8.10  ran out of support  April 30th 2010.   8.04 will run out of support at the end of April next year.  Right, but not like that matters much if the installs aren't even Internet connected :D
[20:21] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: oh you mean because of bugs and fixes and such that are part of the initial phase of any OS right?
[20:21] <mhall119> hybridvigour: in that case you might want to just add the qimo packages on top of an Edubuntu install
[20:21] <mhall119> qimo-session will give you all the Qimo games and art
[20:22] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: I mean, because of unessary features that have been added, that aren't that great also
[20:23] <hybridvigour> mhall119: is it : install ubuntu, install edubuntu over ubuntu and then install qimo (or any other) over edubuntu?
[20:24] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: or if I was doing it,  since  I have used Ubuntu a long time,  I would customize to look like older versions, if doing 10.04, but thats  well me.   Try a few versions and gain experience you know :D
[20:24] <mhall119> hybridvigour: as of 10.04, you can directly install Edubuntu from a DVD again
[20:24] <hybridvigour> oh cool
[20:24] <mhall119> and then you install qimo-session
[20:24] <hybridvigour> k
[20:24] <sebsebseb> mhall119: ah ha, so qimo stuff yeah, but also the edubuntu stuff?
[20:25] <mhall119> for the older kids, I'd recommend having more of the edubuntu stuff
[20:25] <mhall119> if it were strictly 3 to 12 year olds, I'd say Qimo would be enough
[20:25] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: or you just install it all I guess, and then people can change the look when they are ready?
[20:25] <hybridvigour> right
[20:26] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Gnome is rather easy to customize
[20:26] <hybridvigour> thank you all i'm off to get it all started and obviously have my work cut out for me
[20:26] <sebsebseb> mhall119: ah yeah I noticed that can get some qimo artwork into Gnome :D
[20:26] <hybridvigour> thank you for your guidance i'm sure i'll be back in not too long
[20:27] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: anyway yeah that sounds good,  10.04, with well loads of stuff for them
[20:27] <hybridvigour> i'll remain signed in and if you can think of any other helpful hints and leads let me know
[20:28] <hybridvigour> 10.04 it is
[20:28] <hybridvigour> peace to you all
[20:28] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: you might want to intall stuff like Kubuntu as well
[20:28] <sebsebseb> have it as an option from log in screen
[20:28] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: nice
[20:28] <sebsebseb> I mean if your going to set the computer up, so it can be used for years, without going on the Internet
[20:28] <hybridvigour> that's the point
[20:29] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: and theres Xubuntu and Lubuntu as well
[20:29] <hybridvigour> so that once it's there it's there for life (it's life that is)
[20:29] <sebsebseb> plus loads of more complacted looks that can be used instead
[20:29] <hybridvigour> complacted?
[20:29] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Desktop Linux is very much so about choice, from the distros,  to the programs that are installed
[20:29] <sebsebseb> well find out what a window manager and desktop environment is :)   there is a lot of choice when it comes to that
[20:29] <sebsebseb> a lot of that choice, is for total geeks though
[20:30] <hybridvigour> lol
[20:30] <hybridvigour> nice
[20:30] <sebsebseb> when it come to the window managers,  but the main two desktop environments are Gnome and KDE
[20:30] <sebsebseb> and then theres XFCE in 3rd place,  and LXDE in 4th place, basically
[20:30] <hybridvigour> i feel my inner geek waking up
[20:30] <hybridvigour> k
[20:30] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu uses Gnome by default,  but  since 9.04 they have changed it down streame here and there,  so some changes to it, that won't be in other distros
[20:31] <sebsebseb> and I remove most of that personally if doing Ubuntu, and have it set up more like older versions :)
[20:31] <sebsebseb> so yeah http://www.gnome.org
[20:32] <sebsebseb> then KDE  http://www.kde.org  http://www.kubuntu.org  and  XFCE  http://www.xfce.org is the site I guess  http://www.xubuntu.org  and  LXDE with the site being http://www.lxde.org I guess  and thats yeah Lubuntu  http://www.lubuntu.org
[20:32] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: Lubuntu and Xubuntu are better for computers, with little RAM
[20:33] <sebsebseb> more lite waight
[20:35] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: well have fun,  browse the Software Centre and Synaptic, I guess
[20:35] <sebsebseb> !synaptic | hybridvigour
[20:37] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: one last thing would you recommend formatting the hd before install or will the format included in the install be enough
[20:37] <hybridvigour> ?
[20:38] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: uhmm what is currently on the computers?
[20:38] <sebsebseb> and where did the lap tops come from?
[20:42] <hybridvigour> random donors (individuals, companies, educational institutions), some with and some without OS, running the gammut from none to win95 to win2000nt
[20:42] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: oh
[20:42] <sebsebseb> so  a lot of these lap tops probably still have peoples personal data on them?
[20:44] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: you know how there are a lot of people who don't know computers properly, that will give them away, with their personal data still on them?  sure you do?  well obviously don't do anything your not meant to with that yourself.  However I think you should give the hard disks a proper hard disk clean, before setting them up, and giving them away.
[20:44] <sebsebseb> and thats what more technical people would do,  first if they were going to sell their lap top.
[20:45] <hybridvigour> some have but every single one has been approved for formatting beforehand, i get i touch with the donors if there are any ?? on my part
[20:45] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: oh right, so  its up to you to format them?
[20:45] <sebsebseb> if you do a normal format,  loads of that data will still be there on the hard disk
[20:45] <sebsebseb> if not all of it even
[20:46] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour:  and there are programs that you can use, to do a proper hard disk clean :)
[20:46] <sebsebseb> plus apparnatly doing that,  might even speed OS up a tiny bit
[20:46] <hybridvigour> like gparted?
[20:47] <sebsebseb> no not gparted
[20:47] <hybridvigour> ah
[20:47] <sebsebseb> thats just a partition program
[20:47] <sebsebseb> I mean like test disk for example, but last time I tried to use that,  didn't work out
[20:47] <hybridvigour> hmmm
[20:47] <sebsebseb> so I ended up using another program on the Ultimate Boot CD instead
[20:47] <sebsebseb> well our family computer messed up big time
[20:47] <sebsebseb> a virus or something
[20:47] <sebsebseb> the XP side of it messed up I should say,  Ubuntu 9.04 no problem at all
[20:48] <hybridvigour> so is there a prog that you would recommend for formatting ?
[20:48] <sebsebseb> XP CD was blue screen of deathing and so on,  my Dad wanted the whole hard disk re done, since he wanted XP working again, so I end up doing a proper hard disk clean.  and I was like to him did you do anything with the hardware? and he is like no.
[20:49] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: not sure what it is called what I used last time, but it wasn't test disk, so one of the other two, on the ultimate boot cd
[20:49] <sebsebseb> I think there was only two others
[20:49] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: k
[20:49] <hybridvigour> i'll check that out
[20:49] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: also this way if they get stolen in Africa or something like that,  the people who donated them, well their data probably won't get stolen
[20:50] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: stranger things have been known to happen
[20:50] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool i'm off now but really thank you for all your help
[20:50] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: such as?
[20:50] <sebsebseb> also yes doing a proper hard disk clean, does take quite a while, and then there are like differnet levels of security as well
[20:51] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: well I was going to give you ultimate boot cd link, but  its also rather easy to find on Google
[20:52] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: is it 'an' ultimate boot cd or is it called "ultimate boot cd"?
[20:52] <sebsebseb> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[20:53] <sebsebseb> www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[20:53] <sebsebseb> also your meant to check the ISO you download really, before using, to make sure its good
[20:53] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: cool
[20:53] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: sometimes you need this kind of CD
[20:54] <sebsebseb> to clean out Windows malware
[20:54] <sebsebseb> properly
[20:54] <sebsebseb> and yeah
[20:54] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: anyway ok well sounds good, this lap top thing :)
[20:56] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: thanks, it's laptops for now and when we get enough $$ to send towers we'll do that to. laptops can go over as carry on or in people's luggage so the shipping price is way down
[20:56] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: ah right yeah
[20:56] <sebsebseb> so this is being done for some sort of chariety?
[20:58] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: our canadian family started this as a way to help our malawi family and it took off, we put in a well and fundraised to buy land for crops and the surrounding community became interested and so did the school where we are donating the laptops to set up a computer lab
[20:58] <hybridvigour> but it's still just me and my family so it's a lot of work and few people to do it all
[20:59] <hybridvigour> plus we all have lifes to tend to outside of this work
[20:59] <sebsebseb> yeah jobs you mean I guess
[20:59] <sebsebseb> work
[20:59] <sebsebseb> so you know some family in malawi thats what you meant above?
[21:01] <hybridvigour> jobs kids and all
[21:01] <hybridvigour> no no
[21:01] <hybridvigour> i mean the family in malawi is my family too
[21:01] <sebsebseb> the people you know in malawi,  you care about them a bit like how you would care for your own family, thats what you mean I guess
[21:01] <hybridvigour> my immediate is all here in canada and all our cousins et cetera are in malawi
[21:02] <hybridvigour> my mother comes from that village and they are our blood relatives
[21:02] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[21:03] <sebsebseb> we went a little off topic in here, but nevermind I guess, altough I never used the factoid in here,  or if I remember correctly
[21:03] <sebsebseb> !ot
[21:03] <sebsebseb> hybridvigour: ok so its not been set up for this channel as well
[21:03] <sebsebseb> anyway
[21:03] <sebsebseb> I think you wanted to go away from the computer really,  just like I want to at the moment,  I don't tend to come here
[21:03] <sebsebseb> ,but I do tend to go to #ubuntu
[21:04] <sebsebseb> so if you want to find me again, you know where
[21:04] <hybridvigour> sebsebseb: anyway thanks so much, i will keep an eye out for you on #ubuntu for sure
[21:04] <hybridvigour> keep well
[21:04] <hybridvigour> peace to you


[00:43] <james_w> yay, email on source package branch merge proposals at last
[00:43] <james_w> thanks team
[00:44] <thumper> james_w: np
[00:45] <thumper> james_w: what's the state of package branches on LP?
[00:45] <thumper> james_w: are they all up there now?
[00:45] <james_w> and I should be able to reply to them soon as well :-)
[00:45] <james_w> getting there
[00:45] <thumper> james_w: how much to go?
[00:45] <thumper> james_w: you are aware of our space issues?
[00:45] <james_w> we're past the "churn through" stage, on to the "fix errors" stage
[00:45] <thumper> which means what?
[00:45] <james_w> maybe 10%
[00:45] <thumper> I'm unclear
[00:45]  * thumper nods
[00:46] <james_w> well, it requires to look at why bzr failed to import the history of a particular package, work out what triggered the problem, get the fix included, roll that out, and re-import
[00:47] <thumper> ok
[00:47] <james_w> so it's manual work, rather than just time waiting for a script to run
[00:47] <thumper> right
[00:47] <thumper> 10% seems like a lot of manual work
[00:47] <james_w> well, it's a case where 5% will be 1 bug, 2.5% another etc.
[00:47] <thumper> ah ok
[00:48] <james_w> I hadn't looked at the disk usage graph in a while
[00:48] <james_w> you could say it fit quite nicely
[00:48] <james_w> as long as no-one creates any more branches we will be fine :-)
[00:49] <james_w> anyway, good night
[01:01] <djsiegel> Hello, how can I get my project renamed?
[01:08] <spm> djsiegel: add a question against the l pproject itself; ping me back with the number of same ; I'll verify you're you, and make it happen.
[01:08] <djsiegel> spm: awesome, one moment!
[01:10] <djsiegel> spm:  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/83571
[01:11] <spm> djsiegel: one of my projects is named awffull. there are worse names than phaste. :-)
[01:11] <djsiegel> it's not the worst name ever, but it does sort of make you feel out of breath when you merely read it silently
[01:12] <spm> djsiegel: done. https://edge.launchpad.net/haste
[01:12] <djsiegel> wow, thank you so much!
[01:13] <djsiegel> spm: if you need a pastebin tool, try haste :) I have no build infrastructure yet, though
[01:13] <djsiegel> $ <some command> | haste | xargs gnome-open
[01:13] <djsiegel> or
[01:13] <spm> hahahaha. love it! will do :-)
[01:14] <djsiegel> $ haste --provider pastebin2 my_file.c
[01:14] <djsiegel> just sends the text and prints the url of the resulting paste
[04:05] <bjsnider> which debuild options would i use if i do not want to upload the same source tarball over and over again?
[04:05] <wgrant> bjsnider: -sa
[04:05] <bjsnider> ok, so i leave out the -S
[04:05] <wgrant> bjsnider: No, that too.
[04:06] <mwhudson> it's the default if the version before the - hasn't changed, isn't it?
[04:06] <wgrant> -S says build source only. -sa says don't include the orig tarball.
[04:06] <bjsnider> -S -sa would upload the tarball again even if i have not changed it
[04:06] <wgrant> Wait, yes. I had it the wrong way around.
[04:06] <wgrant> -sa forces the tarball to be included.
[04:06] <bjsnider> ok, so just -S
[04:06] <bjsnider> got it
[04:07] <wgrant> -sd will force the tarball to be excluded, but you shouldn't need that.
[04:07] <lifeless> wgrant: uhm -sa forces upload
[04:07] <lifeless> bjsnider: if you're seeing the tarball uploaded, you're probably doing native builds or something similar
[04:07] <bjsnider> if the only change i want to make is the distro in the changelog, i don't need to keep uploading
[04:07] <wgrant> lifeless: Yes, I corrected myself. I never have to use it, so I forgot which way around it was.
[04:08] <wgrant> bjsnider: You need to also change the version.
[04:08] <wgrant> You can't upload the same version to multiple series.
[04:09] <bjsnider> well, i'll name the distro in the package name definitely
[04:14] <JanC> hey, if any launchpad admin is around, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/393854 says that an existing GNOME bug doesn't exist
[04:14] <JanC> not sure if that will be fixed automaticly or needs manual kicking  ;)
[04:15] <lifeless> spm: ^
[04:16] <spm> yeah was looking. JanC. not being familiar with the remote bug side; what am I looking for that show's it's broken?
[04:17] <JanC> spm: if you fold open the gnome bug line at the top it says "GNOME Bug Tracker bug #414862 appears not to exist. Check that the bug number is correct."
[04:17] <JanC> eh, shut up ubottu :P
[04:17] <spm> ahh right
[04:17] <JanC> if you follow the link, you can see it exists
[04:18]  * spm checks checkwatches...
[04:42] <purserj> hi all, I'm trying to setup the launchpad code on ubuntu jaunty and I've hit an error when running make schema. Specifically I've got errors coming out the wazoo when trying to build _ctypes
[04:43] <micahg> purserj: try #launchpad-dev
[04:43] <purserj> rightio
[05:04] <MFen> api question
[05:04] <MFen> getPublishedBinaries and getPublishedSources return a 500 server error when i specify version="something"
[05:04] <MFen> is that a bug?
[05:04] <MFen> ppa.getPublishedSources(version='0.8.5~ppa5') -> 500
[05:04] <MFen> (launchpadlib)
[05:08] <MFen> i'm having a hell of a time trying to poll to see when my package will be accepted
[05:08] <lifeless> uhm
[05:08] <lifeless> you should get an OOPS ID in that 500
[05:08] <mwhudson> it's a bug in something i guess
[05:09] <MFen> ok, lemme see. maybe the exception has that id?
[05:09] <mwhudson> i think it does
[05:09]  * mwhudson hasn't used the api much
[05:10] <MFen> (Pdb) p e.response
[05:10] <MFen> {'status': '500', 'x-lazr-oopsid': 'OOPS-1362EC266', 'via': '1.1 wildcard.edge.launchpad.net', 'x-powered-by': 'Zope (www.zope.org), Python (www.python.org)', 'content-length': '14', 'server': 'zope.server.http (HTTP)', 'connection': 'close', 'date': 'Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:10:19 GMT', 'content-type': 'text/plain'}
[05:11] <MFen> apparently i can't click on that? :)
[05:11] <mwhudson> not usefully, no
[05:11] <lifeless> once it syncs we can inspect it for you
[05:17] <MFen> how long does it take to sync?
[05:17] <mwhudson> up to 10 minutes
[05:17] <MFen> k
[05:20] <lifeless> AssertionError: 'version' can be only used when name is set
[05:20] <lifeless> MFen: please file a bug - that should be a clean API error not an oops.
[05:22] <MFen> ok. the proper invocation would be, what, version=set(['0.8.5~ppa5'])? or does "set" mean something else in this context
[05:23] <wgrant> No, no, it means you need to set the name.
[05:23] <wgrant> So you need to search for both a name and a version.
[05:23] <wgrant> Not just a version.
[05:23] <MFen> oh, i mentally added a word there
[05:23] <MFen> yeah, that makes sense. didn't occur to me because i only have one package
[05:24] <MFen> file that bug against..?
[05:24] <wgrant> soyuz
[05:24] <MFen> ty
[05:25] <lifeless> ref the oops number
[05:25] <lifeless> it will make it clear to folk reading it
[05:30] <MFen> oh ok
[05:32] <MFen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/435023
[05:35] <Ursinha> ouch, I can't edit the bug description
[05:35] <Ursinha> wonder if it's just me
[05:36] <lifeless> Ursinha: its just you
[05:39] <Ursinha> lifeless, I click in the exclamation mark, add the text and when click the green check for it to record the changes, the field box gets red and I see in tiny red letters: Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document.
[05:39] <Ursinha> lifeless, are you able to record the changes?
[05:40] <lifeless> Ursinha: I did
[05:40] <lifeless> Ursinha: I've had that red error a few times
[05:40] <Ursinha> crap
[05:40] <lifeless> I'll file a bug the next time  Isee it
[05:40] <lifeless> try repeating your action if it happens (may need to refresh)
[05:42] <suji> how to download and install a package from the existing ppa?
[05:42] <Ursinha> I did it like a dozen times
[05:42] <Ursinha> now with another browser and same shit
[05:43] <Ursinha> suji, you should add the ppa to your sources.list and install it via apt-get or aptitude
[05:43] <lifeless> Ursinha: ctrl-R ?
[05:44] <Ursinha> lifeless, nothing
[05:45] <lifeless> hmm
[05:45] <lifeless> you're on https yes?
[05:45] <lifeless> can't be a proxy then...
[05:47] <Ursinha> lifeless, it was working this afternoon
[05:47] <Ursinha> I did nothing different
[05:48] <lifeless> Ursinha: sure
[05:48] <lifeless> Ursinha: when its happened to me its been a 30 second thing
[05:48] <lifeless> just ctrl-refresh, works, keep goin
[05:48] <lifeless> g
[05:52] <MFen> argh
[05:52] <MFen> how do you tell if a collection is populated, in launchpadlib?
[05:52] <MFen> i just want to know if there's at least one item
[05:53] <Ursinha> MFen, len(list(collection)) maybe works
[05:53] <wgrant> But that's potentially very, very expensive.
[05:53] <MFen> well, i was hoping i wouldn't have to do that
[05:53] <Ursinha> yes, indeed
[05:53] <Ursinha> I don't know if there's a count or something that could tell that right away
[05:53] <wgrant> I don't think there is.
[05:54] <MFen> sources[0] returns an IndexError when empty.  so i could catch the exception..
[05:54] <wgrant> Maybe try to get collection[0]?
[05:54] <Ursinha> yes, and catch the index error
[05:54] <MFen> ugh?
[05:54] <Ursinha> that what I do
[05:55] <wgrant> There's nothing really wrong with that.
[05:58] <MFen> poor form. it would be nice if the api made len() work. it doesn't have to be expensive if you do it on the server
[06:02] <wgrant> It could be.
[06:02] <wgrant> COUNT often isn't cheap.
[06:02] <mzz> sounds like you want it to support bool(), not necessarily len()
[06:03] <MFen> yeah, i really want bool in this case, but len comes in handy too
[06:04] <MFen> i always wondered why COUNT isn't O(1) for real tables
[06:05] <MFen> surely it occurred to someone to just keep a counter..
[06:05] <mzz> it isn't?
[06:05]  * mzz feels ignorant
[06:05] <MFen> well, i suppose i haven't actually checked
[06:05] <mzz> I figured COUNT would only be slow if it involves a WHERE
[06:06] <mzz> or something else making it differ from just the number of rows in the table
[06:07] <wgrant> Transactions.
[06:07] <MFen> ok. making actual progress
[06:07] <wgrant> MVCC can make COUNT require a sequential scan, I believe.
[06:07] <MFen> i am now able to tell when the ppa has accepted my package, through the api. it's heinous, but it works
[06:08] <MFen> now i need to figure out what it takes to poll the binaries
[06:09] <mzz> this sounds like it's for something I might like
[06:09] <MFen> i'm automating steps 4-5 here http://wiki.goonmill.org/HowtoReleaseHypy
[06:10] <MFen> it's for release automation. i shouldn't have to hang around and wait for my packages to build, so i'm writing something that uses the api to poll for built packages. when they're done, it'll copy them, too
[06:11] <MFen> what i want to answer at this juncture is: "are all the binaries that are going to be built, already built?"
[06:12] <MFen> the hard part of that question is i don't know how to find out how many binaries are going to be built
[06:12] <lifeless> MFen: its turing complete
[06:12] <MFen> afaict the api does not actually use the "pending" status. i can only see packages that actually were built
[06:12] <mzz> you'd have to peek at the debian/control file, and I have no idea if launchpad does that before actually building
[06:12] <lifeless> MFen: if you have an oracle, use it. Otherwise you have to wait.
[06:12] <MFen> lifeless: i'm going for an approximation i.e. "within the next day or so" :)
[06:12] <lifeless> MFen: no, I mean the number and names of the built packages
[06:13] <lifeless> MFen: its turing complete.
[06:13] <wgrant> MFen: The API does use the pending status.
[06:13] <wgrant> MFen: What is missing?
[06:13] <MFen> wgrant: well, i have yet to see getPublishedBinaries return any pending packages in the list
[06:13] <MFen> unless it means something unexpected
[06:13] <wgrant> MFen: That's because they will only be Pending for a few seconds.
[06:14] <wgrant> MFen: Unlike sources, binaries only get publishing records just before they're actually published.
[06:14] <MFen> well, that would explain it. so how do i know how many builders it has spawned? i just want to know that, and then wait for all of them to finish
[06:14] <wgrant> MFen: You have to look at build statuses for the rest.
[06:14] <wgrant> MFen: Have a look at getBuildRecords, I guess.
[06:14] <lifeless> MFen: one per arch, except arch all
[06:15] <lifeless> or any; where any is one per build arch for the distro ~~ ppa-build-arches, and all is one arch only
[06:16] <lifeless> MFen: what are you trying to achieve?
[06:16] <lifeless> MFen: nothing in the hypy list seems to need estimates
[06:16] <MFen> just like i said, trying to automate my release.  rather than sit on the web page and wait for all the building to complete so i can copy packages, i want my computer to do the waiting
[06:16] <MFen> estimates?
[06:17] <lifeless> 15:10 < MFen> what i want to answer at this juncture is: "are all the binaries that are going to be built, already built?"
[06:17] <lifeless> thats an estimation question, isn't it?
[06:17] <MFen> no?  a certain number of builders are spawned each time. (it's probably always 3, but i'm not sure). i want to wait for all those arches to finish building
[06:17] <wgrant> It's easy enough to check.
[06:17] <MFen> it's an exact number, i just don't know what it is :)
[06:18] <lifeless> ah!
[06:18] <lifeless> arches != binaries
[06:18] <wgrant> Locate all builds for the source.
[06:18] <lifeless> very different thing
[06:18] <lifeless> https://edge.launchpad.net/~subunit/+archive/snapshots/+packages
[06:18] <lifeless> start with that page in the lp
[06:18] <lifeless> source
[06:18] <wgrant> Hmm.
[06:18] <lifeless> should give you enough inspiration
[06:18] <wgrant> Is the necessary stuff exposed in the API...
[06:18]  * wgrant checks.
[06:19] <MFen> i haven't looked at getBuildRecords yet
[06:19] <wgrant> MFen: Ah, easy. You don't need to.
[06:19] <wgrant> MFen: Use archive.getBuildSummariesForSourceIds
[06:19] <MFen> aha!
[06:19] <MFen> yes. i shall try that.
[06:19] <wgrant> MFen: That will give you a nice overview of the status of all the builds. It will even tell you when the build is finished, but the binaries aren't published yet.
[06:20] <wgrant> If the binaries are unpublished, it will give a status of FULLYBUILT_PENDING, rather than the normal FULLYBUILT.
[06:20] <wgrant> That's what the page lifeless pointed at uses.
[06:21] <MFen> ok cuz i still have no idea what i'm supposed to be looking at on that page
[06:22] <wgrant> MFen: The far-right column in the table is the information that you require.
[06:23] <MFen> oh, yeah. that's no different from what i see on my own ppa page though
[06:23] <wgrant> Right.
[06:23] <wgrant> But that shows what you need, so you could check the code.
[06:24] <MFen> oh right. the code. i forgot you guys released the code
[06:24] <MFen> remembering that would have made this easier
[06:31] <MFen> not one hit on google code for that api
[06:32] <wgrant> That's unsurprising.
[06:32] <wgrant> It exists mainly for the use of the PPA listing page.
[06:32] <MFen> i dunno. google code doesn't seem very useful
[06:32] <MFen> you'd think it would index anything open source that had a web repo
[06:34] <MFen> puzzling
[06:34] <MFen> source_ids is a single int?
[06:35] <wgrant> MFen: A list of ints, I believe.
[06:35] <wgrant> MFen: Not designed nor ideally suited to launchpadlib use, but it can be done.
[06:36] <MFen> i'll have to parse it off of self_link
[06:36] <wgrant> MFen: You need to get the ID of the source_package_publishing_hisory.
[06:36] <wgrant> I think so, yes.
[06:36] <wgrant> :(
[06:56] <MFen> Version 0.8.5~ppa9 packages not yet accepted by the PPA.  Waiting 20s... [\n] Package was accepted. [\n] BUILDING: amd64 build of python-hypy 0.8.5~ppa9 in ubuntu karmic RELEASE [\n] BUILDING: i386 build of python-hypy 0.8.5~ppa9 in ubuntu karmic RELEASE [\n] BUILDING: lpia build of python-hypy 0.8.5~ppa9 in ubuntu karmic RELEASE [\n] 0/3 packages finished.  Waiting 60s...
[06:58] <wgrant> MFen: Looking good.
[06:58] <lifeless> \o/ load
[06:58] <lifeless> we need notfications :P
[06:58] <wgrant> lifeless: PPA pages do exactly the same thing every 60 seconds if there are any builds that are not finished and published.
[06:59] <MFen> i'm going to have to make my timeout a lot longer. i've got 28 minutes waiting in the queue now :)
[06:59] <lifeless> wgrant: same applies there :)
[07:00] <wgrant> MFen: Bonus points for reading the estimated start time and delaying until around then.
[07:01] <wgrant> (sadly that's not possible yet, but it would be a simple patch)
[07:04] <MFen> ok. thanks a million for your help, everyone
[07:04] <MFen> i'm going to go to bed now. i'll pick this up again tomorrow
[07:04] <wgrant> Night.
[08:25] <jml> hello
[08:26] <noodles775> hi :)
[08:30] <lifeless> hi jml
[08:36] <Amaranth> yay the little i came back for public/private on webkit
[08:37] <Amaranth> oh, that's a pencil, never noticed
[08:44] <sivang> anybody remembers david alouch's irc nick ?
[08:47] <wgrant> sivang: ddaa
[08:57] <sivang> wgrant: thank you!
[08:59]  * maxb blinks
[08:59] <maxb> So I accidentally superseded a package in my PPA with one with a *lower* version number
[08:59] <wgrant> You hadn't previously deleted it?
[08:59] <maxb> no
[08:59] <maxb> um
[08:59] <wgrant> But...
[09:00] <maxb> oh yes I had, but I got confused
[09:00] <noodles775> *phew*
[09:00] <wgrant> Confusion is easy.
[09:00] <maxb> I'd deleted it, but I'd also copied it to *another* PPA
[09:00] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:00] <maxb> and I'd got confused which one I was looking at
[09:10] <thekorn> hi, is editing of bug descriptions known to be not working, I always get
[09:10] <thekorn> "Entity-body was not a well-formed JSON document"
[09:11] <thekorn> btw, it is hardly readable on my netbook in such a small font ;)
[09:36] <spm> JanC: ref that gnome bug you noted earlier? is now better understood; a solution will be either part of the rollout in ~ 13ish hours (2200 utc) or manually fixed later today. gmb is the person to talk with for the thrilling details. :-)
[10:29] <jblount> I love it when I click a button I dont' click every day and get nice ajaxy fun stuff in LP.
[10:33] <jml> heh
[10:59] <Turms_> why https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/433259 doesn't show up in my launchpade page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~sentiniate
[11:01] <Turms_> and, my impression is that the fix has furtherly messed up things, i'll have to take photos of grub window and add them to my bugreport
[11:32] <mpt> gnaarrrrr
[11:32] <wgrant> Uhoh.
[11:32] <mpt> I can't get to the Ubuntu Bugs page from an Ubuntu bug report
[11:33] <mpt> e.g. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntulooks/+bug/16045
[11:33] <wgrant> True.
[11:33] <mpt> What am I missing?
[11:33] <wgrant> Was there ever a way to do that?
[11:33] <mpt> Yes, in 2.x you could click on "Ubuntu" in the hierarchy
[11:33] <wgrant> Oh, right.
[11:41] <james_w> "#
[11:41] <james_w> # Launchpad now open source! – 21 Jul 2009
[11:41] <james_w> Translate a phrase once, have it show up in all your releases. "
[11:41] <james_w> that seems a bit wonky
[11:41] <james_w> (from the front page)
[11:45] <maxb> What's up with the PPA builders? Did the ongoing ubuntu archive rebuild get reprioritized above normal PPA builds?
[11:45] <intellectronica> mpt: yes you can, using the so-called bread crumbs
[11:46] <bigjools> maxb: it looks like nothing's getting dispatched at all
[11:46] <bigjools> gar
[11:46] <mpt> intellectronica, none of them go to the Ubuntu Bugs page. Close, though. :-) One goes to the Ubuntu page, and another goes to the ubuntulooks Bugs page.
[11:48] <intellectronica> mpt: ah, interesting. so i guess packages should have another level in their breadcrumbs
[11:48] <wgrant> Or the breadcrumbs need dropdowns like they had in 1.0.
[11:48] <maxb> Oh yes, the build farm does seem to have melted completely :-/
[11:49] <bigjools> I am trying to get an admin to poke it
[11:49] <wgrant> 6 hours ago.. wow.
[11:50] <intellectronica> i was not a big fan of those dropdowns, i like having all the text in front of me
[11:50] <mpt> intellectronica, I guess this was a bit inevitable when trying to collapse two aspects of navigation (hierarchy + facets) into one. I don't see where "Bugs in Ubuntu" would sensibly go into that hierarchy. Either you came from the ubuntulooks page, or you came from the Ubuntu Bugs page, not both.
[11:50] <mpt> (the ubuntulooks Bugs page, I mean)
[11:51] <mpt> You can't actually get to from the Ubuntu Bugs page to the ubuntulooks Bugs page. That's not a problem in itself, but it would be weird for the breadcrumbs to suggest you can.
[11:52] <intellectronica> mpt: i see what you mean. yes, that's quite tricky. but i think a rule of the facet breadcrumb always showing after the context will work
[11:52] <intellectronica> well, not context, i mean target. in this case the bug is the context
[11:53] <mpt> intellectronica, so what would that mean in this case? "Ubuntu “ubuntulooks” package Bugs in ubuntulooks Bug #16045" then ...
[11:53]  * mpt wonders why the guillemots didn't copy
[11:53] <bigjools> maxb: it's getting un-boogered now
[11:53] <maxb> \o/
[11:53] <maxb> thanks
[11:53] <bigjools> and the bug that causes it will be squished tonight in the rollout
[11:54] <maxb> even better :-)
[11:54] <intellectronica> mpt: yes, that's what i meant
[11:55] <mpt> intellectronica, I was waiting for you to fill in the blank :-) What would go after that?
[11:55] <maxb> bigjools: Whilst you have an admin around, could you get them to kick zeca too?
[11:55] <bigjools> maxb: zeca?  you mean the keyserver
[11:55] <maxb> ye
[11:55] <mpt> (Oh, I see, they're list items with custom bullets, not real guillemots. That'll be a bit awkward for people using screen readers or text browsers.)
[11:55] <maxb> s
[11:55] <bigjools> zeca is a test thing :)
[11:56] <bigjools> they are aware of it, I don't know what's up with it
[11:56] <intellectronica> mpt: the bug is the last component
[11:56] <mpt> intellectronica, yes, so where would "Bugs in Ubuntu" go in that list?
[11:58] <intellectronica> mpt: it would go immediately after ubuntu
[11:59] <mpt> intellectronica, so "Ubuntu > Bugs in Ubuntu > ubuntulooks package > Bugs in ubuntulooks > Bug 16045"?
[11:59] <wgrant> maxb: Apparently keyserver.u.c is just overloaded.
[11:59] <intellectronica> mpt: yup
[11:59] <maxb> eek
[12:00] <wgrant> Yes. Use pook.sks-keyservers.net instead, I suppose.
[12:00] <intellectronica> it's not that clean, but i think it's still better than the matrix for hierarchy and facets, which can be quite confusing
[12:00] <wgrant> s/pook/pool/
[12:02] <mpt> intellectronica, I think the main reason it was confusing was the "You're using edge" bar splitting it in two. I really don't think a hierarchy alone can sensibly do the job, but I hope you succeed anyway. :-)
[12:56] <KIAaze> hi, I am unable to check out this bzr branch on launchpad: bzr branch lp:webcontentcontrol
[12:56] <KIAaze> I get the following error
[12:56] <KIAaze> bzr: ERROR: Target directory "webcontentcontrol" already exists.
[12:57] <KIAaze> bzr: ERROR: Unrecognised container format: '<html>'
[12:57] <KIAaze> (other error just from previous attempt)
[12:58] <KIAaze> Bazaar version 1.13.1
[13:26] <salgado> KIAaze, it means there's a directory named webcontentcontrol in your CWD.  you need to either remove it or use a different name for the branch (e.g. bzr branch lp:webcontentcontrol webcontrol)
[13:27] <KIAaze> no, that was just a copy/paste error. The real error was the html thing.
[13:27] <KIAaze> but I managed to check out the branch after using my launchpad login, so it went over SSL
[13:36] <geser> cprov: is the fix for bug 408528 already in use? because http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32262296/upload_1255703_log.txt (Unhandled exception processing upload: duplicate key value violates unique constraint "person__account__key")
[13:37] <cprov> geser: it should be, let me check
[13:37] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[13:37] <wgrant> That's not a good looking error...
[13:39] <geser> I've seen this already in the copy archive but now in the main archive too
[13:40] <wgrant> Hmm.
[13:40] <wgrant> Does that mean there is an account with a person and an email address, but the email address is not linked to the person?
[13:49] <lamothe> Hi all, I have an issue that I hope that you can help with.  I would like to delete https://launchpad.net/me-tv/+milestone/beta but every time I try to, I get an oops.
[13:52] <cprov> geser: can you safely retry that build ?
[13:53] <geser> what you mean with "safely retry"?
[13:57] <cprov> geser: if retrying that build is still possible and wouldn't cause any problem to your archive.
[13:57] <geser> cprov: ah, sure
[13:59] <geser> cprov: I'll let you know when the retry is done by the buildd
[13:59] <cprov> geser: what's the build url ?
[14:00] <geser> cprov: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-kolab-filter/0.1.5-2/+build/1255703
[14:00] <cprov> geser: rescored.
[14:01] <geser> :)
[14:10] <cprov> geser: same error, the workaround doesn't cover this case, I will investigate.
[14:48] <ahasenack> hey guys, I get an OOPS when I click on the logout button
[14:49] <ahasenack> everytime
[14:49] <ahasenack> just wondering if someone would like to take a quick look
[14:49] <ahasenack> I'm at this url: https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape/+bug/+logout
[14:49] <ahasenack> OOPS-1362G2187 is the last oops
[14:49] <ahasenack> and I'll get another one if I click on "logout" again
[14:50] <ahasenack> looks like the 404 page from LP
[14:50] <ahasenack> I was logged in as someone who could browse landscape buugs
[14:50] <ahasenack> then in another tab I logged out and logged in as someone who couldn't
[14:50] <ahasenack> then went back to the first one and clicked logout
[14:50] <ahasenack> I think that was what I did
[14:52] <ahasenack> ok, I'll close it and move on as I need to do some work too :)
[15:05] <eagles0513875> hey guys do the gpg keyservers fall under this jurisdiction? or is this the wrong channel
[15:59] <cumulus007> Why is the translation system in Launchpad so hard to use? It's not well-integrated into the search system, for instance, I can't filter out translate templates. It's just hard to find the translation template you need and I really think it should get an overall refresh
[15:59] <beuno> cumulus007, it has had a refresh on edge
[15:59] <beuno> have you tried edge?
[16:00] <cumulus007> not yet, I'll have a look then :)
[16:01] <cumulus007> ah it's a lot cleaner and faster
[16:01] <beuno> cumulus007, it will be rolled out to production in a few hours
[16:01] <cumulus007> yes I read about that
[16:03] <cumulus007> beuno: there is just one feature I would really like to see.. It would be great if I could list Ubuntu-specific software and documentation only
[16:03] <cumulus007> beuno: is something like that in development or discussed?
[16:04] <beuno> cumulus007, I don't know, but danilos, jtv or henninge may
[16:05] <danilos> cumulus007: you mean something like https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?
[16:05] <danilos> cumulus007: when you into a particular language, you'll see only ubuntu-specific software and documentation
[16:06] <cumulus007> No, because KDE software, GNOME software and lots of other software
[16:06] <cumulus007> ..is also listed.
[16:31] <binetou> hihi  it's my first time here
[16:31] <binetou> is there some one ? Y'a-t-il quelqu'un ??
[16:32] <Ursinha> binetou, there is always someone :)
[16:32] <binetou> sorry !!
[16:33] <Ursinha> binetou, nothing to be sorry about
[16:33] <jamalta> Ursinha: jeez, you scared him off!
[16:33] <Ursinha> hahaha what the...
[16:33] <jamalta> :P
[16:33] <Ursinha> jamalta, :P I wonder what I said
[16:33] <jamalta> Ursinha: i have no clue.. i do wonder what the second part of his message was
[16:34] <MFen> wgrant, others: thanks again for your help. i got it working
[16:34] <MFen> http://hypy-source.goonmill.org/file/6454ce4fc3e5/build-tools/lptool
[16:34] <idnar> hmm, does Launchpad not generate diffs for merge proposals for private branches?
[16:35] <MFen> currently lgpl licensed (but i'm not picky about that), if anyone wants to build something more general on top of it
[16:35] <Ursinha> ahasenack, hey, are you still getting those 404s?
[16:38] <idnar> oh nevermind, I guess it just took longer than I expected
[16:39] <jml> idnar, it takes longer than I'd like
[16:49] <MFen> anyone here in sydney?
[16:50] <MFen> or parts nearby?
[16:50] <MFen> i was going to comment that that strikes me as a beautiful apocalypse.  then i saw this picture: http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/ausdust_09_23/d18_20458747.jpg
[16:50] <MFen> THE END IS NIGH
[16:52] <jml> MFen, I left Sydney on Sunday
[16:52] <jml> MFen, it's almost 2am there, so there won't be many folk around :)
[16:52] <MFen> ah right
[16:52] <jml> awesome photo though
[16:53] <MFen> more here.. http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/dust_storm_in_australia.html
[16:56] <jml> MFen, the headline is a little odd
[16:56] <MFen> well, it's a boston-based news source
[16:58] <jml> MFen, I was going to say that since the country is largely desert, "Dust storm in Australia" is a bit like "Snow in Canada"
[16:58] <MFen> haha good point
[16:58] <MFen> is that actually true though?  we have lots of desert in CA, but not that many dust storms
[16:58] <MFen> CA, not .ca btw
[16:58] <jml> MFen, I don't know. I've never had a good reason to visit the desert. :)
[16:58] <jml> MFen, dust storms in Sydney are extremely rare
[16:59] <jml> that's newsworthy
[17:00] <MFen> well, it's pretty. gonna be hell to clean up
[17:07] <ahasenack> Ursinha: no, I moved away from that state (url and login I was using)
[19:19] <james_w> I'm forging web app requests, and I'm getting some 500 responses with 'Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication.'
[19:20] <james_w> they are deterministic, but I have no trouble doing it with my browser
[19:20] <james_w> which would point to a python-launchpadbugs issue, but I find the fact that it is 500 responses odd
[19:30] <asabil> hi all
[19:30] <asabil> are there any .deb packages to install launchpad on a server ?
[19:31] <beuno> asabil, no
[19:31] <beuno> none planned
[19:31] <tonyyarusso> sad
[19:31] <asabil> oh, any reason for that ?
[19:32] <asabil> I think that launchpad is just awesome, and if some packages were available it would just get more people to use it within organizations
[19:32] <beuno> yes, our open sourcing is to give the community the power to add value to Launchpad
[19:32] <beuno> not enable other instances to come up
[19:32] <beuno> so we won't be spending any time towards that direction
[19:32] <asabil> I understand that
[19:32]  * tonyyarusso really needs to make a list to keep track of all the people who work for Canonical now
[19:32] <asabil> but I think that contributions will come from people working within other companies
[19:33] <asabil> and who deploy instances of launchpad internally
[19:33] <asabil> in the same way that they contribute to bugzilla and other internal tools
[19:33] <beuno> right, but it's an indirect benefit
[19:33] <james_w> it's free software now, you have the freedom to package it
[19:35] <asabil> james_w: true, but I would probably spend days trying to get it packages, instead of spending days writing patches for it to improve it
[19:35] <asabil> I think it would make a lot of sense to have launchpad in the launchpad ppa
[19:36] <beuno> asabil, and why do you want Launchpad developers to invest those days for you?  they can write patches in the time as well...
[19:36] <asabil> but anyways, that was just a query in case it was available, I will try to come up with something
[19:36] <asabil> beuno: because my packaging attempts were failure :)
[19:37] <asabil> but thanks for the great software that launchpad is
[19:37] <asabil> I will hopefully get an instance deployed where I work
[19:39] <beuno> asabil, in general, we're happy that people are using it, but we made a concious decision to not invest resources in deployment
[19:39] <asabil> beuno: I understand that :)
[20:12] <c_korn> hello I just got a mail "On 2009-09-22 13:03z (1 days 6 hours 7 minutes ago), you uploaded a file
[20:12] <c_korn> with translation templates for quilt in Ubuntu Karmic package "quilt" to
[20:12] <c_korn> Launchpad."
[20:13] <c_korn> but I never uploaded anything
[20:34] <geser> c_korn: sponsored upload to main perhaps?
[20:35] <c_korn> hm, no idea. I may have translated a few string in quilt recently
[20:35] <geser> c_korn: you don't need to touch any translation files to get this email
[20:40] <c_korn> geser: I did an update to quilt recently. so this is why I got the mail ?
[20:40] <c_korn> my new version got released in karmic
[20:43] <geser> yes
[20:45] <c_korn> geser: ok. is there anything I am supposed to do now ? (here is the full mail text: http://pastebin.com/d56510c19 )
[20:49] <geser> c_korn: don't know as in the few cases I got the email, the import worked and I ignored the mail :)
[20:50] <c_korn> geser: how can I check if the import worked ?
[20:50] <geser> c_korn: you probably need to grab someone familiar with the translation (rosetta) stuff
[20:55] <c_korn> geser: ok, thank you.
[21:58] <flacoste> bac: what is the distinction between project reviewed and project approved
[21:58] <flacoste> bac: when reviewing project
[21:58] <flacoste> bac: and shall I check both or only one of them?
[21:59] <bac> if it is an open source project and you approve of it, check both
[21:59] <flacoste> bac: sorry, i just missed the big blob of text at the top of the page :-)
[21:59] <flacoste> doh
[21:59] <bac> flacoste: yeah, read that
[21:59] <flacoste> what, that big blob of text?
[21:59] <flacoste> no way, don't make me think ;-)
[21:59] <bac> flacoste: critical thing to remember:  if it is 'other/open source' and you check 'reviewed' but not 'approved' it will show up as proprietary
[22:00] <bac> if it is a good FOSS project, just check 'reviewed' so other CHR people won't see it again
[22:00] <flacoste> bac: ok, and is that bad?
[22:00] <bac> no, it is just a little surprising to some
[22:00] <flacoste> ok, but that's fine?
[22:01] <bac> yes, if appropriate
[22:02] <flacoste> bac: I don't know yet for 5 days? what should I do, ./request-info.py?
[22:02] <bac> flacoste: no, that's sort of deprecated b/c it requires us to follow-up.  use the 'disable' script and if they want the project we'll hear back from them.
[22:03] <flacoste> ok
[22:46] <irvingpop> Launchpad gurus, need help with something
[22:47] <irvingpop> Can launchpad build distribution-specific kernel modules?
[22:47] <irvingpop> For example, a kernel module for Jaunty
[22:48] <wgrant> irvingpop: If you give it a package that does that, yes.
[22:49] <wgrant> irvingpop: Perhaps find an example in Ubuntu and use that as an example?
[22:49] <irvingpop> Thanks.  I'm looking for an example now.   I just uploaded a package to my PPA which tries to build a kernel module,  but it fails at the kernel module compile bit
[22:50] <wgrant> For kernel modules, you probably want to look at DKMS.
[22:50] <wgrant> Otherwise you'll run into problems when certain security updates appear in Ubuntu.
[22:50] <wgrant> A good example might be virtualbox-ose-source
[22:51] <irvingpop> DKMS looks really cool.  Unfortunately I'm not the developer of the software,  just trying to package it in order to make life easier for Ubuntu users
[22:51] <irvingpop> In short, I have no idea where to start regarding changing the kernel module :)
[22:53] <Meths> What is the definition of "very very soon" in the popups on launchpad?
[22:53] <wgrant> An example I've looked at (kvm) doesn't seem to have needed much patching for DKMS.
[22:54] <jpds> Meths: 7 minutes time?
[22:54] <wgrant> 30 seconds, actually.
[22:54] <wgrant> I think somebody configured it badly..
[22:56] <irvingpop> hmm
[22:56] <Meths> hmmm, what's wrong with issuing a time or is there an announcement page with maintenance/downtime times on?
[22:56] <irvingpop> wgrant:  I'll look at it.   virtualbox seems to use module-assistant,  could that be related?
[22:57] <wgrant> Meths: 2200UTC is the time.
[22:57] <wgrant> irvingpop: module-assistant is a useful helper, but it's much more manual on the user's part.
[22:57] <irvingpop> ok gotcha
[22:58] <Meths> wgrant: Thanks, I gathered that from the 7mins/30secs responses.  My point is do I have to ask in here every time I see the message or is there somewhere else I can see it?
[22:59] <wgrant> Meths: The blog, the launchpad-announce mailing list, the channel topic.
[23:02] <Meths> wgrant: Excellent, thanks.
[23:12] <RenatoSilva> bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~renatosilva/moin-solenoid/userprefs/.bzr/branch-format: Unable to handle http code 503: Service Unavailable
[23:13] <jpds> RenatoSilva: /topic
[23:13] <RenatoSilva> is it my connection? happening here since yesterday
[23:14] <RenatoSilva> jpds: read-only from 22:00 UTC until 23:00 UTC ?
[23:14] <spm> RenatoSilva: codebrowse is a bit flaky lately, but atm all code* services are down per the rollout.
[23:14] <spm> that's only the UI side, unf.
[23:14] <RenatoSilva> and it was down yesterday too, right?
[23:14] <wgrant> No.
[23:14] <spm> no, just flaky
[23:15] <RenatoSilva> it happened yesterday (or some hours ago depending on your location)
[23:15] <RenatoSilva> ok I'll just wait, thanks
[23:17] <quentusrex> fun fun with read-only launchpad.
[23:18] <RenatoSilva> is branch.conf pushed to lp too?
[23:18] <RenatoSilva> I'm worried about some bzr-email confs I don't want to share
[23:19] <RenatoSilva> well, I mean .bzr/barnch/branch.conf
[23:20] <Ursinha> hey jpds :)
[23:20] <jpds> Ursinha: Hi!
[23:24] <RenatoSilva> do you know what Ursinha means :)
[23:26] <thumper> RenatoSilva: that is a #bzr question
[23:26] <RenatoSilva> thumper: ok
[23:26] <thumper> RenatoSilva: I don't know if the branch.conf is pushed
[23:26] <thumper> RenatoSilva: if bzr pushes it, we get it, if it doesn't we don't
[23:26] <beuno> it is not
[23:27] <thumper> beuno: thanks
[23:27] <beuno> hi thumper
[23:27] <RenatoSilva> beuno: thanks
[23:27] <RenatoSilva> thumper: ^
[23:28] <RenatoSilva> [19:28] <zsquareplusc> you can have a branch specific config in the .bzr folder i guess that one is pushed
[23:28] <lifeless> nope
[23:29] <RenatoSilva> hum, [19:28] <fullermd> No, it's not. hahaah
[23:30] <RenatoSilva> is this lp freeze for updating to edge?
[23:30] <RenatoSilva> well, edge is where beta versions are tested right
[23:30] <Ursinha> RenatoSilva, that's what topic says :)
[23:30] <beuno> RenatoSilva, for updating production
[23:32] <RenatoSilva> Ursinha: not necessarily update to the edge code
[23:32] <RenatoSilva> Ursinha: I suppose
[23:33] <Ursinha> RenatoSilva, yes, not necessarily, but also yes, it's frozen for update
[23:33] <RenatoSilva> beuno: for updating production with the version in edge?
[23:33] <RenatoSilva> Ursinha: ^
[23:33] <wgrant> Slightly further than that, but yes.
[23:33] <Ursinha> what wgrant said
[23:37] <RenatoSilva> ok
[23:43] <^robertj> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kripkenstein/intensityengine/0.9/download/head%3A/scripting_docs.html-20090917093625-jd7m05hzq8cpuvd3-1/scripting_docs.html <- not loading, says to ask in here
[23:45] <wgrant> ^robertj: LP is being upgraded 2200-2300 UTC, so most of it is read-only and the bzr stuff is down entirely.
[23:45] <^robertj> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:46]  * ^robertj goes to grab document from his other box :(
[23:59] <jkakar> Hrm, I can't seem to post a bug comment.
[23:59] <beuno> jkakar, read only launchpad
[23:59] <beuno> rolling out, etc


[00:03] <tekkbuzz> no wonder head hurts, kmail is not complicated.
[00:06] <Felishia> it is :(
[00:07] <tekkbuzz> why not just use geary if you like it?
[00:08] <Felishia> because it's not supported by kde
[00:08] <Felishia> well it works but not all... and I can't see the icons
[00:13] <Felishia> damn I'd just use gmail.com
[00:44] <valorie> tekkbuzz: you could try trojita
[01:04] <arvut> hey
[01:04] <arvut> has anyone gotten a working kscreen setup that doesn't merge the monitors into one big resolution?
[01:04] <arvut> I can't get mine to work
[01:04] <arvut> krandr did a perfectly fine job
[01:04] <arvut> too bad its dead
[02:08] <l_r> hello
[02:08] <l_r> what's the quickest way to share a dir in kde?
[04:29] <kernelcruncher> ark or from dolphin, right click extract here isn't working, am I missing something?
[04:33] <kernelcruncher> just a .zip that has been confirmed as OK on a different Linux install. The smae .zip was also tested on another kubuntu 14.04 install with the same error
[04:33] <kernelcruncher> yes this is 14.04 with kde backports
[04:36] <kernelcruncher> here is the error: http://paste.opensuse.org/75627298
[06:14] <shinemoon> if you are student that want to chat with others,take part in #student
[07:48] <vedu> Hello. I have installed kubuntu-desktop in Ubuntu 14.10. But in the lock screen I have to login twice. once in KDE and once in gnome
[07:50] <valorie> vedu: that's really odd
[07:50] <valorie> perhaps grub needs updating?
[07:51] <valorie> you should be able to login to either, not both
[07:51] <valorie> !grub
[07:51] <valorie> second link, I believe
[10:05] <jubo2> Hello. Hello.
[10:06] <jubo2> I thank the respective people who have contributed to the quite awesome Kubuntu14
[10:06] <jubo2> For zero bucks it's a pretty good deal
[10:06] <jubo2> If Linus woulda asked $1 per kernel instance.. no-no.
[10:07] <jubo2> None of what we know as GNU/Linukka would exist in its current form
[10:08] <jubo2> AAPL woulda gone bankrupt in 2001 or 2002 and we'd be stuck with a field grossly dominated by MSFT for obvious reasons
[10:08] <jubo2> The value proposition of AAPL was: "The crunchiness of
[10:09] <jubo2> swearwordin' accidental enter-press.. My bad.
[10:10] <jubo2> The value proposition of AAPL was: "The crunchiness of of an *NIX compatible OS with ssh, scp, grep etc. out of the box and PROMISE OF FREE COMPUTING CANDY TO BE PORTED IN VAST AMOUNTS and the smoothness of a AAPL designed GUI."
[11:00] <mokush> is plasma 5.2 supposed to be in the /next ppa? do I have to install anything else except kubuntu-plasma5-desktop?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:28] <jubo2> How do I exclude dot-directories from being included in 'tar cvzf homedir.tar.gz ~/' ( is it on by default ? )
[12:31] <jubo2> I gonna choose the dir by explicitly stating all the dirs I want
[12:43] <juboxi> wireless upstream at 30x faster then ADSL old fashioned copper pair line
[12:44] <juboxi> I should prlly get one of those 100Mb/s XDSL lines.. they have at least like 3-5Mbit / supstream on average so it's not as horrible as the ADSL
[13:55] <tmac3000> hey
[14:06] <jubo2> Hello. Hello.
[14:06] <jubo2> Big thanks for the awesome OS and WM
[14:07] <jubo2> I like my OS in English but would like 24 hr clock and calendar week to start from Monday
[14:07] <jubo2> if anyone knows this offa-the-top-of-their-heads it'd be appreciated
[14:08] <jubo2> that or I https://ixquick.com or https://duckduckgo.com it
[14:13] <jubo2> now rebooting the Kubuntu14 on the other machine ( 'sudo apt upgrade' wanted it )
[14:48] <JOHNLAL> Uhm, dumb q, but how do i select the partition i wanna install too? Just select it?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> JOHNLAL, are in the partitioning phase of the install?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> are you?
[14:50] <JOHNLAL> im at the custom partition thing
[14:50] <JOHNLAL> im dualbooting
[14:50] <JOHNLAL> but replacing fedora with kubuntu while keeping win 7
[14:50] <JOHNLAL> do i just select the partion_ *sda6(
[14:51] <JOHNLAL> oh god forgot about the keyboard layout lol
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ok, do you have a / and /home partitions?
[14:51] <JOHNLAL> i have 2 winndows partitions, a swap and a /
[14:51] <JOHNLAL> i wanna install it to the fedora partition
[14:52] <BluesKaj> choose manual partitioning, it's easier to get it right the first time
[14:53] <JOHNLAL> ya im at manual partitoning
[14:53] <JOHNLAL> how do i select a partiton to install too_
[14:53] <JOHNLAL> oh god dammit 1 sec switching kb layout
[14:53] <BluesKaj> ok and what is the fedora partition names as?
[14:53] <JOHNLAL> sda 6
[14:54] <BluesKaj> ok choose to install to that as long as it's /
[14:54] <JOHNLAL> but how do i choose to install to it_
[14:56] <BluesKaj> highlight it then click change and you'll get a drop drown then hoose ext4, then set the mountpoint to / and check format
[14:57] <JOHNLAL> http://imgur.com/XxU8wQV <-- is this good? the other partitons (windows) wont be removed right?
[14:58] <BluesKaj> JOHNLAL, yes, that shoild woek
[14:58] <BluesKaj> work
[14:58] <JOHNLAL> K, lets take a gander... after i fixed the xbox for my brother so he can play minecraft :P
[15:01] <BluesKaj> the installer will only install the OS to /, the ntfs/windows partitions won't be affected
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> 3
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> 2
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> 1
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> 0.5
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> 0.1
[15:05] <sherif> Hi.
[15:05] <sherif> How do you do?
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> 0.05
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> GOOOOO
[15:05] <JOHNLAL> !
[15:06] <JOHNLAL> And im installing.
[15:19] <JOHNLAL> Oh im back. Its done. Restarting now. Lets hope for the best.
[16:34] <jacwib> Hi everyone, i was the guy with the partitioning problems from before. And now my setup is done. Except the fonts are broken. I installed mscorefonts and even copied over my windows fonts to /usr/share/fonts/winfonts and refreshed the font cache.  Whats wrong?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> jacwib, did you set the fonts in kmenu c>computer>system settings>application appearance first?
[16:39] <jacwib> ill chec k
[16:40] <jacwib> well times new roman is there and a ton other so i think so
[16:42] <BluesKaj> jacwib, well, that where you choose the fonts you want
[16:42] <jacwib> yea
[16:42] <jacwib> they're there
[16:43] <jacwib> wait what
[16:43] <jacwib> now it works
[16:43] <jacwib> of course
[16:43] <jacwib> how magical
[16:44] <jacwib> :/
[18:51] <parsnip`> Hmm, my emacs launcher isn't picking up .Xresources
[18:56] <parsnip`> Alt+F2, Emacs doesn't pick up .Xresources, but Run emacs does.
[19:34] <lovesh> hi everyone
[19:34] <lovesh> i am planning to use plasma 5 for my primary workstation. Is is at an stable state?
[19:52] <Hv0k> 14.10 has been upgraded to plasma5. get crash: booting on tty1 and "display not found"
[19:52] <Hv0k> where is problem?
[19:54] <Hv0k> sudo startx will load "part of xubuntu" that i tryed to use
[19:55] <Hv0k> configured on sddm and plasma5
[19:57] <Hv0k> sudo sddm boot clear white screen
[19:57] <Hv0k> ???
[20:05] <BluesKaj_> Hv0k, use the lightdm greeter
[20:06] <Hv0k> lightdm will boot xfce
[20:08] <Hv0k> hey!! I configured it to xfce, not to plasma5.
[20:13] <Hv0k> reinstaled sddm, runing it and see only login page. when type pass it reboot and nothing more do.
[20:21] <Hv0k1> it still a work... in progress. I am try to work with it)
[20:22] <Hv0k1> hmm) nev core)
[20:22] <Hv0k1> new#
[20:28] <Hv0k1> how to load plasma5 from tty?
[20:48] <Hv0k> how to run plasma5 from tty? or make it fully bootable without crashing to tty?
[20:53] <Nytram> You want to install plasma 5?
[20:55] <Hv0k> I already install plasma5), but cant make it bootable.
[20:57] <Hv0k> i see login page using sudo sddm, but it don`t load system.
[20:58] <Nytram> Hmm! I followed this and got it working on my other PC... http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/how-to-install-plasma-5-in-kubuntu-1410.html
[20:58] <soee> Hv0k: you have black creen only ?
[21:00] <Hv0k> I have tty, when runing sudo sddm, i get login page, and nothing more.
[21:23] <Hv0k> there is story: on worked kubuntu 14.10, that installed from cd, some time using, i try to install plasma5 as Nytram's web instruction say. after reboot, it was crashed to tty and nothing graphical to boot.
[21:27] <Hv0k> ... then i try to install xubuntu (for use xfce to load some graphical part). only in tty "sudo startx" boot the xubuntu and put me chanse to backup data. Then i try to repair the plasma5, and remove xubuntu-desktop, reinstalling
[21:29] <Hv0k> ... plasma5. Aready that i stopped is that I cant run full plasma5 but only sddm login page.
[21:30] <soee> what happens if you type password and try to login ?
[21:30] <Hv0k> ... reboot
[21:30] <soee> oO
[21:30] <Hv0k> ... not full reboot, only sddm reboot
[21:30] <soee> isit foresh install ?
[21:30] <soee> *fresh
[21:31] <Hv0k> yes
[21:31] <soee> what if you try with lightdm >
[21:35] <Hv0k> about sudo lightdm - it same as sddm but login page for xfce
[21:40] <Hv0k> ... in listing of runing lightdm: existing Xauthority, troubles with modprobe.d and alternatives for gfxcore
[21:46] <Hv0k> that was sudo startkde to run plasma5, in std situation?
[21:58] <Hv0k> YEAH!!!))))     sudo xinit startkde > works fine but only with root (as expected)
[22:06] <Hv0k> plasma5 nice. like it)
[22:07] <Hv0k> how to remove avahi?
[22:13] <Hv0k> plasma without avachi -my fantasy comes true. liked this system)
[22:15] <Hv0k> and get black screen
[23:10] <sidewalk> where can i find the wallpapers from the kubuntu alpha?
[23:11] <sidewalk> they up on the web?
[23:13] <Hv0k> is it mean about brese theme?
[23:14] <Hv0k> thankyou all for help me
[23:16] <Hv0k> plasma-workspace-wallpapers


[23:33] <pleia2> akgraner: I'm closing down the poll for the Month of Making, what do I need from the two winners for the Ubuntu User subscription?
[23:34] <pleia2> and should I just have them contact you with the info?
[23:34] <akgraner> yeppers
[23:34] <akgraner> and I'll make sure to get it to the fulfillment company etc
[23:35] <pleia2> just name, address..?
[23:36] <pleia2> I'll just say "email akgraner" :)
[23:38] <akgraner> that will work - :-)
[23:39] <akgraner> oh Name, Address, email address, phone number and print or online edition
[23:40] <akgraner> (yep Ubuntu User is now available in the software center!)
[23:52] <pleia2> http://blog.ubuntu-women.org/2011/10/ubuntu-women-month-of-making-winners/ winners \o/
[23:54] <akgraner> YAY!


[00:27] <fta> jcastro, Title: gwibber crashed with SIGSEGV in pango_layout_check_lines() <= while typing
[10:37] <asac> @time New_York
[11:09] <gnomefreak> asac: i held a post from debian to mailing list. it still shows up in the admin screen of mailing list. How did you get them out of the admin screen?
[11:10]  * gnomefreak needs to find a way to use 3.1 as defualt browser. for some reason its using 3.0 as defualt
[11:12] <gnomefreak> ah 3.1 was my fault :(
[11:14] <gnomefreak> I need a timer that counts upwards instead of downwards. downwards == time set for 1 hour and it counts to 0  upwards set timer for 1 hour and it counts down to 0
[11:20] <asac> gnomefreak: go to preferences -> preferred appli ations
[11:20] <asac> select browser and use Custom: firefox-3.1
[11:20] <asac> (i have firefox-3.2 there)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> asac: i did i screwed that up and i fixed it
[11:20] <asac> k
[11:21] <asac> gnomefreak: for the admin stuff on ML ... i didnt moderate anything yesterday
[11:21] <asac> my flu is too hard
[11:21] <asac> i hope this weekend will bring relief
[11:22]  * gnomefreak sick too
[11:24] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ill be back in a bit im grabbing source and hoping that i can fix the latest source build failure but binaries build fine
[12:51] <_sick> i'm using thunderbird 2 and looking for a way to backup my POP3 mail account before i switch to IMAP. Is there a way to backup my account in a way that i can easily browse my old mails whenever i need them ?
[12:53] <_sick> is there a special channel for thunderbird where i could ask ?
[12:59] <asac> _sick: try #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org
[12:59] <_sick> thanks
[12:59] <asac> _sick: i would say that backing up the pop mail folder should be enough ... but
[12:59] <asac> it might not be that easily to browse afterwards
[12:59] <asac> _sick: at best keep you popup account, setup imap; copy everything over
[12:59] <asac> then wipe popup
[13:01] <_sick> this would take lightyears to copy all my pop mails over to imap
[13:03] <_sick> i think it would be a nice feature to be able to browse archived mailaccounts by File->Open->MyBackup.bak->Search old Contact->BeHappy... or is there an other common way ?
[13:05] <_sick> mozbackup is nice, but not i you just need a short look into your old mails...
[13:07] <asac> _sick: ah lightyear isnt much different than a year ;)
[13:08] <asac> except that its measuring distance
[13:08] <asac> j.k.
[13:08] <asac> anyway. i dont know a good solution ;)
[13:08] <asac> if you know let us know (especially if its a good extension)
[15:04] <asac> bug  329061
[15:06] <BUGabundo> hi asac, guud afternoon
[15:07] <asac> guud afternoon
[15:07]  * asac goes for lunch/break ;)
[15:12] <BUGabundo> at this hour asac?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> you lunch *late*
[15:13] <BUGabundo> Fri Feb 27 15:13:10 UTC 2009
[15:14] <asac> i was blocked and waited for infos on a call
[15:14] <asac> so now i have to run
[15:15] <asac> because the call is in 45 min
[15:16] <BUGabundo> go, run....
[16:15] <jagadeesh> How do I hide read messages?
[16:15] <BUGabundo> jagadeesh: using what?
[16:16] <jagadeesh> BUGabundo: I am using thunderbird
[16:17] <BUGabundo> I don't use it, so I can't help much
[16:18] <jagadeesh> BUGabundo: Any idea about how to get it in mutt
[16:19] <BUGabundo> hidding read messages?
[16:20] <BUGabundo> there is a script for it
[16:20] <BUGabundo> I've seen it on a mutt fan page
[16:32] <fta2> no need for scripts to do that with mutt
[16:32] <fta2> l ~R
[16:33] <fta2> l=limit ~r=read messages
[16:34] <fta2> i meant "l !~R" of course
[16:34] <fta2> jagadeesh, ^^
[16:37] <jagadeesh> fta2: its working.thanks a lot
[16:41] <BUGabundo> I guess its now embed by default then
[16:59] <asac> !info firefox
[17:05]  * BUGabundo founds the user group: Jaunty with 3.1 by default!!!
[17:06] <asac> heh ;)
[17:06] <asac> those guys should have listened what happened when we released hardy with 3.0b5
[17:06] <asac> thats far too much ground for fud stories
[17:07] <asac> s/ground/soil/
[17:07] <asac> !info firefox
[17:07] <asac> too bad
[17:07] <asac> @time
[17:07] <asac> if that would work it would be less annoying to test a ping ;)
[17:07] <asac> @now
[17:07] <asac> !now
[17:07] <asac> !time
[17:08] <asac> nah
[17:08] <asac> !gimmetimeyoubastard
[17:08] <asac> i guess that was a different bot
[17:08] <asac> only gnomefreak would know i guess
[17:12] <BUGabundo> Fri Feb 27 17:12:04 WET 2009
[17:12] <BUGabundo> asac: I was here when hardy got a "beta" version
[17:12] <BUGabundo> I was FOR it... not against
[17:12] <BUGabundo> it got fixed on the next milestone upgrade
[17:14] <BUGabundo> gotta to go
[17:15] <BUGabundo> job interview in 1h
[17:32] <asac> bug 191889
[17:32] <asac> what a mess ;)
[17:32] <asac> "BRAVO! Firefox is my new nominee for a Darwin award.
[17:32] <asac> I have this thing called a kiosk with a web-app in the background of the box. It has no network connectivity - it doesn't need to, there is this strange thing on Linux since like 1970 called loopback (for the Firefox developers, this can be found at http://<IP_ADDRESS>).
[17:32] <asac> "
[17:33] <asac> "I filed bug for FF lacking way to defeat off line mode, several months ago.
[17:33] <asac> People refused to see that most users might never use or need off line mode.
[17:33] <asac> People refused to change FF behavior to avoid users switching to browser with
[17:33] <asac> less vexing behavior. Finally they combined my bug with bug blaming other
[17:33] <asac> programs for FF being off line."
[17:33] <asac> lol
[17:34] <asac> its really hard to imagine how it is if you are an ordinary user ending up in such a bug ;)
[17:34] <asac> maybe the first bug you filed ;)
[21:11] <marquinos> Hi!
[21:11] <marquinos> Hi asac / asac_ Are you here? :)
[22:37] <fta> asac, xulrunner-1.9 now depends on libpython2.6??


[08:59] <RawChid> Hey, I want to get some info on the new moinmoin LoCo theme on wiki.ubuntu.com Anyone knows where I can find more about this project and its progress
[08:59] <RawChid> This is close, but didn't found anything useful yet<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:34] <thorwil> RawChid: perhaps ask newz in #ubuntu-web (or is it #ubuntu-website?). though i will likely be a few hours until he's available
[09:49] <thorwil> good morning
[09:51] <thorwil> iainfarrell: i hate pestering you, but: ubuntu brainstorm?
[09:59] <RawChid> thorwil: thnx
[10:02] <coz_> hey all
[10:08] <thorwil> hi coz_
[10:08] <coz_> thorwil,  hey guy
[10:08] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/designing-wallpapers-for-edubuntu-and-xubuntu/
[10:11] <kwwii> thorwil: nice post
[10:12] <thorwil> ty
[10:12] <coz_> thorwil,  especially that first paragraph
[10:13] <thorwil> :)
[12:06]  * thorwil whacks coz_'s connection
[12:07] <coz_> :)
[13:59] <woutervddn> just got a message from the ML.. I understand the thing about the mudfight now..
[14:01]  * vish  beginning to think john is delusional..
[14:03] <woutervddn> lol, why is that?
[14:17] <vish> it took me 10 mins to find the relevant links.. and he just couldnt have done that on his own!!
[14:19] <woutervddn> xD
[14:19] <woutervddn> you two seem to be good friends..
[14:42] <woutervddn> that was a long survey o_o
[14:47] <vish> woutervddn: "delusional" since i noticed that he thanked thorwil for the blog... 0.o   not sure why he thinks the Xubuntu/Edubuntu is wholly his effort..
[14:47] <woutervddn> nvrmnd it..
[14:48] <vish> woutervddn: Both Xubuntu/Edubuntu members joined the list only since *I* informed them to join and take part.. and the Xubuntu leader spoke to thorwil and saleel during the UDS.. ;)
[14:48] <woutervddn> vish: who made the questions for the survey?
[14:48] <vish> woutervddn: the person who requested to take part :)
[14:48] <woutervddn> vish: how long is he active in the team?
[14:48] <woutervddn> vish: how do you mean?
[14:49] <vish> woutervddn: the person who sent that mail asking to take part in the survey.. :)
[14:50] <woutervddn> ow, I thought it was one of you guys, since she asked if it was okay yesterday, I thought she just made a survey of your questions..
[14:50] <vish> woutervddn: not sure how long he is on the list, but the only activity from him was about his theme.. i forgot the theme name.. it's in the community package..
[14:51] <woutervddn> don't know, I'm here for only a month or so (might be 2 but still..)
[14:52] <woutervddn> anyways.. there was 1 remark I had about the survey questions (not to be picky, rather a mind spin of me..)
[14:53] <woutervddn> there was this question about: how do you find out about new projects..
[14:53] <vish> woutervddn: sure, you can reply to the mailing list as well.. it might be a common concern..
[14:54] <woutervddn> it's to late anyways,.. :) and not such a big deal..
[14:54] <woutervddn> so putting it on the (allready way to overwhelmed ML) wouldn't be a solution :p
[14:55] <woutervddn> I think there might be more usefull answers with a question like: how do you LIKE to find out about new projects..
[14:55] <woutervddn> the artwork team is unique in some way which creates needs for another type of communication..
[14:57] <woutervddn> (there is no dev team in the world that could manage with so many contributors, but in a place of artwork there can be)
[14:58] <woutervddn> *-) I might just post my idea to the ML afterall.. the more I think about it...
[16:58] <thorwil> woutervddn: some development teams are larger than the actually small group of active posters on the art list
[16:59] <thorwil> woutervddn: i wonder, do you use a mail client that supports threading, that is, shows mails in a tree-like fashion?
[17:00] <woutervddn> nowp I don't and I know that is a pain and it's not your fault.. :)
[17:01] <woutervddn> and true about the first thing and that's my point.. many people don't even read the ML because of the mails they get that don't involve the things that they like to work on..
[17:01] <woutervddn> for instance: if I've never used edubuntu and don't even know something about it, chances I'll feel attracted to make a wallpaper for it are way slimmer..
[17:02] <woutervddn> getting 40 posts about it isn't going to encourage me to read the ML..
[17:03] <woutervddn> [but yes clients with threading would make this easier to cope with]
[17:05] <thorwil> if you think ubuntu-art has a problem with the breadth of topics pr the amount of mails, you can't have seen many free software mailing lists, yet ;)
[17:08] <thorwil> not that a more fine grained and dynamic way of subscription/following wouldn't be nice, but no email alternative has taken off, so far
[17:30] <woutervddn> well it's part of my mail clients fault that it looks such a mess.. but I thought it might help to keep people focused..
[17:31] <woutervddn> 2 arts digests with almost exclusively RE:'s on the same topic aren't that desirable when you've got nothing to do with that topic (imo)
[17:32] <woutervddn> (apart from some nice mails from john to vish..)
[17:32] <woutervddn> (and back..)
[17:33] <vish> woutervddn: you havent seen the last one yet.. ;)
[17:33]  * vish just sent one now..
[17:34] <woutervddn> vish: can't wait until the next digest :p
[17:34] <woutervddn> No fighting!  be human!
[17:36] <thorwil> digest mode is an anti-feature
[17:37] <woutervddn> I can't keep up if I get all mails separately.. :)
[17:37] <woutervddn> I tried it, but when I'm at school for a whole day and come home I'll have like 50 messages then,.. gone overview :(
[17:38] <woutervddn> [remember the inability of my client to bundle the messages..]
[17:39] <thorwil> same solution: use a decent client ;)
[17:39]  * thorwil -> dinner
[17:40]  * woutervddn is guessing thorwil doesn't like my idea :p
[18:13] <thorwil> woutervddn: irc meetings tend to be no problem for vish or me, but for others they are. also, we can't wait for the next meeting every time decisions have to be made
[18:15] <woutervddn> I wasn't saying otherwise :)
[18:15] <woutervddn> I know that you guys go for it all the way.. but we both agree that others don't
[18:16] <thorwil> woutervddn: what's left from your idea, then?
[18:16] <woutervddn> my idea covered that.. exact same thing..
[18:18] <woutervddn> I said that the important decisions should be made in the IRC
[18:18] <woutervddn> the fact that's allready going on means that you're allready doing that part of the idea i suggest..
[18:19] <thorwil> woutervddn: you said "meetings", though, which to me suggests presence of everyone involved and a date and time scheduled in advance
[18:20] <thorwil> whereas here things are discussed ad-hoc, by who happens to be there
[18:20] <woutervddn> no, that wasn't what I meant, I allready said previously that IRC meetings with +200 people would end up in disaster..
[18:21] <woutervddn> I believe you take my mail as a threat.. (or at least that's what your reaction looks like..)
[18:21] <thorwil> we would never have 200+ people
[18:21] <woutervddn> figuratively speaking^
[18:22] <woutervddn> thorwil: I wasn't saying that was the way things should go, pls understand that :s
[18:22] <woutervddn> you look offended by what I wrote..
[18:22] <thorwil> woutervddn: no, i take your mail as being based on misunderstandings on extrapolating from your situation unto others
[18:22] <thorwil> woutervddn: i don't know why you think i would be offended
[18:23] <thorwil> woutervddn: i try to be patient in clearing up things for you, and what do i get? you think i'm offended
[18:23] <thorwil> shall i laugh or cry?
[18:23] <woutervddn> non of both pls..
[18:24] <woutervddn> I appreciate the fact that you are trying to clear things up, but from where I read your messages it looks like you're throwing everything in to counter..
[18:25] <woutervddn> the only thing I wanted to do is to create an open dialogue about it..
[18:26] <thorwil> an open dialog contains the possibility that all you get is contra arguments. which might be related to the idea at hand and have shit all to do with who suggested it
[18:28] <woutervddn> true, but the way you put it seems like you're 'biting off' (it's a saying in dutch, don't know if it's used in English as well)
[18:29] <woutervddn> and my mail is indeed based on extrapolation.. There isn't really a way around that I believe..
[18:30] <woutervddn> indeed you have a point when you say many things would be more clear if I'd have a client that would group the messages..
[18:33] <woutervddn> thorwil: btw, my 'personal, ideal situation' isn't all that different from what you're doing now (as I see it)..
[18:34] <woutervddn> now: allready IRC meetings are used for big concerns, the reports are allready in the ML, proposals, and approvals are allready in the ML and each page allready has its landing page..
[18:35] <woutervddn> the only things I was thinking of (suggesting is allready a word that is to big) is the fact that there would be sub-ML's on which you could subscribe..