[03:06] <manu_> plz suggest a bootable usb software.
[08:44] <freiheitsgrad> I've just updated my application (Freecad from 0.18.4 to 0.19). Now I can't access my NAS drive anymore. /mnt is empty (looking from inside the application) although it's properly mounted (can access via console). Can somebody push me in the rigth direction? THX
[08:47] <guiverc> what release? and how did you upgrade?  did you change from a deb to snap? or containized package?
[08:57] <freiheitsgrad> @guiverc Thanks. Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS. Was a snap, still is a snap. Just your questions brings up the idea that the snap 'process' doesn't have the right permissions? I'll try...
[09:01] <guiverc> snapped packages (unless classic confinement) don't see the real file system, you can enable access to /media, /mnt but it's not usual to have it by default; `snap connect package:removable-media` maybe needed; but the snap needs to be written to allow it to be changed
[09:01] <guiverc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1184357/why-cant-chromium-suddenly-access-any-partition-except-for-home/1184374#1184374  is an answer on askubu I answered relating to chromium which may help explain what I'm trying to say freiheitsgrad
[09:02] <freiheitsgrad> @guiverc Nice. I'll check that. Thanks!
[09:03] <guiverc> note:  I don't know that's your issue, but it's what came to mind
[09:08] <freiheitsgrad> Sounds reasonable. And a good opportunity to get more familiar with snap.
[14:08] <ItzDark_Cris> connected
[14:08] <ItzDark_Cris> ?
[14:08] <ItzDark_Cris> kd
[20:51] <Tavake> Hello, I'd like to know if it's possible to install Lubuntu 20.04.2 alongside with windows. I made some research could'nt find something relevant
[20:52] <Maik> Tavake: probably the same procedure like installing Ubuntu alongside windows
[20:52] <Maik> so i'd search for that
[20:53] <Tavake> Ok but for Ubuntu the installation option are a bit different
[20:55] <Tavake> and it offer the option to install Ubuntu alongside Windows. Lubuntu doesn't
[20:59] <Maik> let me guess, it uses Calamares...
[21:01] <Maik> i never dual boot by the way and i'm not familiar with the Lubuntu installer. Maybe someone else knows
[21:01] <Tavake> ok
[21:02] <Maik> weird thing is they have a online manual but do not include dual booting....
[21:10] <Tavake> Yep it is weird


[10:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:26] <czajkowski> never seen this place so quiet
[10:27] <fagan> czajkowski: sprint going on
[10:27] <fagan> thats why :)
[10:28] <czajkowski> fagan: yes I know.
[10:28] <czajkowski> fagan: shows how much you talk in here :)
[10:28] <fagan> czajkowski: still loud here though
[10:28] <fagan> fun though
[12:55] <nessita> dobey: would you be able to review https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/testingit/+merge/63384 ?
[13:10] <dobey> ubuntu does not like me.
[20:41] <allquixotic> I'm on Gnome3, so USC won't let me download paid apps. Is there a way to manually retrieve them?


[20:31] <nmpro> I am trying to add a win7 iso image to my usb stick drive, so I can install and run in parallel to ubuntu
[20:33] <sas12> nmpro, u can. make on your usb stick empty partition with 2mb free in start of partition. install grub2.
[20:33] <anonymous_> Hi guys i want to thank all of u for helping me out almost every time i had a question :)  the ubuntu community is damn great :)
[20:33] <sas12> anonymous_, i think so
[20:34] <nearmiss> sas12: why is the behaviour different on ubuntu though? I have stuff depending on being able to ps aux and grep for a process
[20:34] <sas12> nearmiss, i dont know. im on debian testing flavor
[20:34] <delinquentme> Are there screaming issues in ubuntu with naming folders with spaces in them?
[20:34] <nearmiss> sas12: yeah, thats what I use elsewhere....should have here too I guess!
[20:34] <delinquentme> clearly its ideal to NOT have this ... but how much of an issue is it?
[20:35] <kristal> Is linux-image-lowlatency better than generic linux?
[20:35] <sas12> delinquentme, perhabs no. anytime you use paths space mark as a \
[20:35] <sas12> delinquentme, no /
[20:35] <bekks> kristal: If you have to ask that - no.
[20:35] <delinquentme> sas12,  it looks like red\ box
[20:35] <sas12> kristal, compare by yourself. good experience
[20:36] <kristal> I'm jsut wondering if it'll help with input lag and audio latency for editing.
[20:36] <sas12> delinquentme, looks like ~$ cd PlayOnLinux\'s\ virtual\ drives
[20:36] <kristal> I think it's lower performance but more responsive
[20:36] <delinquentme> yeah :D
[20:36] <bekks> kristal: It doesnt lower performance.
[20:37] <kristal> bekks: Whooo Gonna try it.
[20:38] <sas12> still ask: does anyone can help me buy humblebundle? i gift natural selection 2 in Steam
[20:39] <dNSTAR> Hello guys. I'm having some trouble with my mouse. I have updated all software updates, but it still work. When I plug my Razer Taipan into the computer I can't left nor right click, if I unplug it and stick it into another usb It works for like 10 seconds. Any solutions?
[20:41] <nearmiss> hmm seems my problem may be unique to grsec kernels, which are used by my providor.  fun fun.
[20:41] <CupSQue> Hi....i'm unable to locate how to allow cupds restart to any user....can anybody help me, plz?
[20:41] <Eren97> hi
[20:41] <Eren97> can i ask a question about virtual amchines in combination with linux?
[20:42] <sas12> ok. contact me with spamer.metropoliten dog yandex dot ru about helping to buy humblebundle. i go sleep
[20:42] <sas12> bye
[20:42] <Eren97> can anybody help me?
[20:43]  * Guest83774 hey
[20:43] <teknix_> Hi
[20:43] <Pici> !ask
[20:44] <teknix_> Could anyone tell me how I can expand an windows ISO to a USB in linux or how to run windows in a virtual maching through linux?
[20:44] <Eren97> ah sry
[20:44] <Eren97> My hardware should be capable of running 64 bit(had 64 bit win7 be4)
[20:45] <teknix_> I tried like unetbootin and another prog, but they failed
[20:45] <Eren97> now I wanna run ubuntu 64 bit in a VM but it tells me i can't
[20:45] <kyze> im obviously too dumb to autostart a single bash command :/
[20:46] <teknix_> Yumi is awesome but it only works in windows I think.
[20:46] <teknix_> Is anyone there?
[20:46] <Eren97> yea
[20:47] <_name> i cant boot ubuntu from my hdd, can anyone help me?
[20:49] <odium> I would like to install a package from a repo with only raring i386 binaries, while my system is saucy amd64, is this possible?
[20:50] <CupSQue> how can i allow any user to /etc/init.d/cupsd restart =???
[20:50] <teknix_> Yep the USB creators don't work at all
[20:51] <teknix_> Atleast not for windows ISO
[20:51] <teknix_> Does anyone know of one that will expand a windows ISO through linux to make a bootable USB?
[20:52] <mantys89> Try UnetBootin
[20:52] <teknix_> I just tried it, it just gave me a default option
[20:52] <ciao> cioa
[20:52] <teknix_> and didn't go anywhere
[20:53] <ciao> !list
[20:53] <_name> i cant boot ubuntu from my hdd, can anyone help me?
[20:54] <teknix_> It looks like it put everything of the USB, but it doesn't boot into windows install
[20:55] <teknix_> nah, it is only 1.3mb on it, rofl, win7 is 3kmb
[20:56] <Eren97> lol
[20:56] <teknix_> The .ISO is 3.3 GB
[20:56] <teknix_> 3kmb i meant 3000 mb
[20:56] <teknix_> MB
[20:56] <teknix_> sry
[20:57] <BluesKaj> _name, do you get a grub menu ?
[20:58] <teknix_> What about Xen? What do you guys think about that?
[20:58] <_name> Blueskaj: yes, i think it might be because i ugraded my graphics driver but not sure since i just installed it
[20:58] <_name> Blueskaj: juxt installed ubuntu that is
[20:59] <teknix_> Aha, vbox is for linux ^.^
[20:59] <bekks> teknix_: It is available for linux, windows, mac OSX, freebsd, solaris.
[20:59] <BluesKaj> _name, which graphics card and driver ?
[21:00] <teknix_> nice, so I can put my win 7 iso in a vbox and use yuni right?
[21:00] <teknix_> Yumi*
[21:01] <bekks> teknix_: You dont need yumi. All you need is the ISO.
[21:01] <_name> Blueskaj: card is nvidia quadro fx 770m, i think i ugraded to nvidia-319 driver or something
[21:01] <teknix_> I mean to make a multi-boot
[21:01] <teknix_> stick
[21:01] <bekks> teknix_: You dont need an usb stick, all you need is the .ISO when using vbox.
[21:02] <teknix_> lol, I am trying to make a USB stick, that's my main mission
[21:02] <teknix_> to expand a windows ISO on USB through linux
[21:02] <BluesKaj> _name, ok describe what happens when you "can't boot ",. What appears on your screen , if anything ?
[21:03] <Eren97> did u setup the USB to be bootable of
[21:03] <Eren97> *get booted of
[21:04] <_name> Blueskaj: after grub i only get a black screen with like a flickering white _ at the top left
[21:05] <TJ-> _name: When you say 'grub' - do you actually see the GRUB menu? If not, have you helpd down Shift key whilst the system boots in order to get the grub menu, and then tried booting the recovery option?
[21:06] <_name> TJ-: yes i see the actual grub menu
[21:06] <_name> TJ-: tried the recovery but it didnt work
[21:06] <BluesKaj> _name, ok at grub , choose the recovery kernel , and once the dialog comes up choose "repair broken packages" or something similar
[21:06] <TJ-> _name: That's good. When you tried recovery did you see the kernel messages scrolling up the screen before it failed?
[21:06] <_name> Blueskaj: hmm didnt try that yet
[21:07] <ice9> when Ubuntu will use Wayland instead of X?
[21:07] <anvo> Testdrive downloads the latest beta for Saucy with PAE kernel, which is not supported by my CPU... How do I proceed to testing?
[21:07] <_name> TJ- yea saw some stuff, looked normal to me
[21:07] <TJ-> ice9: Ubuntu has its own display server, Mir, which is the default from 13.10 unless proprietary graphics drivers are selected, when it uses X
[21:08] <BluesKaj> ice9, it won't , but Kubuntu is looking to use Wayland
[21:08] <TJ-> _name: OK, then it should reach the recovery menu with options such as "root shell" - is that what you saw?
[21:08] <ice9> TJ-, BluesKaj so Kubuntu will be different from Ubuntu? each will use different display server?
[21:08] <_name> TJ-: yep
[21:08] <BluesKaj> ice9, yes
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> in my experience, ubuntu with kde is already more responsive than ubuntu with gnome
[21:09] <TJ-> ice9: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/06/26/kubuntu-wont-be-switching-mir-or-xmir
[21:09] <BluesKaj> ok ,too many cooks , ..later
[21:10] <ice9> how can I know if Mir can work on my graphics card or not?
[21:11] <teknix_> How can I uninstall?
[21:11] <TJ-> _name: OK, if you can get the root shell you can check the system logs in /var/log/  - I'd be looking at kern.log, syslog, and if there is one, Xorg.0.log for clues. Look at the entries matching the time of the *failed* boot since they will also contain the current session too, of course
[21:12] <TJ-> ice9: Try it
[21:12] <teknix_> I installed this, "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS ("Precise Pangolin")  i386 |  AMD64" from here:  https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads , but can't get it to run
[21:13] <hugok> Hey I just setup software raid in the ubuntu 12.04 alternate, do I need to format the /dev/md0 (raid drive) as ext4 and/or creat a filesystem?
[21:13] <bekks> hugok: Yes, both. First create a filesystem, then format it.
[21:13] <_name> TJ-: should i get on my liveusb and put those on pastebin?
[21:14] <bekks> hugok: Yes, both. First create a partition for a filesystem, then format it.
[21:14] <hugok> bekks, is there a terminal command for that?
[21:14] <hugok> the make fileystem?
[21:14] <bekks> hugok: mkfs
[21:14] <hugok> bekks, thanks
[21:15] <TJ-> _name: It'd be better to be selective by looking for warnings and errors and things that just don't seem right, compared to earlier logs, and selectively investigate any that you find.
[21:16] <hugok> bekks, is 'make new partition table' under gparted the same thing?
[21:16] <bekks> hugok: No. That creates a new partition table, not a filesystem.
[21:16] <hugok> bekks, ok
[21:17] <Eren97> guys
[21:17] <hugok> bekks, how do I know how many blocks in my drive?
[21:17] <bekks> hugok: Its displayed who big drive is, in gparted.
[21:17] <Eren97> what do i get from encrypting the ubuntu install
[21:17] <_name> TJ-: looks like it might be in Xorg.0.log
[21:17] <ice9> Why Xmir is better than X?
[21:17] <hugok> bekks, 'total secors'?
[21:17] <jhutchins> hugok: fdisk -l also.
[21:18] <bekks> hugok: The drive size is even displayed in MB, and you can enter MB when creating new filesystems in gparted,
[21:18] <xanux_> any programmers could explain <windows.h> for linux ?
[21:19] <Eren97> ah, k-line, g-line all same..?
[21:19] <Eren97> failchat
[21:19] <Eren97> what do i get from encrypting the ubuntu install
[21:19] <bekks> Eren97: A good feeling. Chocolate may cause the same.
[21:19] <Eren97> so no sense at all?
[21:19] <AVA0528> :)
[21:20] <bekks> Eren97: Depends on wether you want encryption or not.
[21:20] <Eren97> but what do i get from encrypting it
[21:20] <Eren97> I ain't goin to do suspicious things or something so who theh ell is going to try to read my ubuntu install
[21:20] <compdoc> Eren97, encription caused me problems when trying to connect remotely with VNC
[21:21] <Eren97> oh ok
[21:21] <Eren97> no problemo nonono problemo
[21:21] <ice9> I'm unable to install Xmir on Ubuntu 13.04:  E: Unable to locate package mir-demos
[21:21] <ice9> E: Unable to locate package unity-system-compositor
[21:22] <tylertwo> Is it possible to assign custom hotkeys from terminal? I know how to do this from Gnome-Control-Center.
[21:22] <Eren97> how can i display ue(german letter) in linux?
[21:23] <teknix_> Which sort of harddrive should I create for the best emulation experience of win7 in my vbox?
[21:23] <hugok> hey bekks, it finished making filesystem. Do I make partition table with gparted now?
[21:23] <bekks> teknix_: vbox does not emulate, it virtualizes. Just use the defaults or refer to the vbox manual for a detailed explanation of almost every option choosable.
[21:23] <lolfunnygai> hi, is there any particular reason why some packages in ubuntus respitory is ceveral years old (when there are new versions out there since a long time ago)?
[21:24] <Eren97> how can i display ue(german letter) in linux?
[21:24] <lolfunnygai> Eren97: you'll have to set up your charset. Google it :)
[21:24] <m6121> Greetings.  I have just connected my external terabyte drive and am wondering what is the best or favorite ripping program you all use for Ubuntu?  There are lots, and lots of opinions.  Just curious.
[21:25] <m6121> Gonna use FLAC I think, btw.
[21:25] <malkauns> how do i get facebook to work using empathy on 13.04?
[21:25] <tylertwo> lolfunnygai: maybe nobody's gotten around to updating it?
[21:25] <teknix_> bekks ty
[21:25] <Eren97> lolfunnygai still in the setup xD
[21:26] <k1l> lolfunnygai: maybe just no one  cared, no one did the work, there are depencies not met, ... there could be a lot of reasons. most time ubuntu doesnt get new versions (besides security and bug fixes) after release
[21:26] <lolfunnygai> Eren97: that's where you set it up, in the setup. There will be an option for your keyboard language etc
[21:26] <lolfunnygai> k1l: so the way to go, is to download the updates yourself?
[21:26] <lolfunnygai> I thought apt-get is the way you SHOULd install them :P
[21:27] <k1l> lolfunnygai: the question is: do you neeed the update?
[21:27] <Eren97> lolfunnygai yea after the location selection xD
[21:27] <k1l> lolfunnygai: and dont tell me: "its newer"
[21:28] <tylertwo> lolfunnygai: apt-get makes things easy for you. it's fine to dowlnoad things without it though (assuming you take safety precautions)
[21:28] <m6121> Greetings.  I have just connected my external terabyte drive and am wondering what is the best or favorite ripping program you all use for Ubuntu?  There are lots, and lots of opinions.  Just curious.
[21:28] <lolfunnygai> k1l: well, in this case, it's from 2008, and there's a 2013 release for that package. I'm pretty sure it's better in many aspects :P
[21:28] <spikebike> Anyone have an idea for debugging a server that boots and gets on the net, but the console stays locked in the "Ubuntu 13.04" splash screen with the ". . . ." animation.
[21:28] <mantys891> For German keyboard layout just type in terminal: setxkbmap de :P
[21:28] <k1l> lolfunnygai: you are sure?
[21:28] <k1l> lolfunnygai: which package is it?
[21:29] <lolfunnygai> kismet
[21:29] <qin_> lotuspsychje: http://travelingfrontiers.wordpress.com/2010/08/22/how-to-add-colors-to-linux-command-line-output/
[21:29] <k1l> lolfunnygai: so we are talking baout backtrack and kali?
[21:29] <m6121> I am thinking about trying Asunder.  Anyone have any opinion?
[21:30] <lolfunnygai> k1l: ubuntu
[21:31] <_name> TJ-: so the problem seems to be that the video drivers cant be loaded
[21:32] <ice9> how to install Mir on Ubuntu 13.04
[21:32] <adios8n> does anyone know what daemon/service to restart when desktop auto-mounting quits functioning (for removable drives)
[21:32] <k1l> lolfunnygai: version in next release will be: 2013.03.R1b-1. so i dont see any problems. when you really need to work in that topic (and not for illegal intentions) you sure will have the time to dig into that topic.
[21:32] <OerHeks> lolfunnygai, kismet is community supported i guess, they choose to work with their ppa http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml
[21:34] <deepblue> ────────────────────────┤ Configuring lightdm ├──────────────────────────┐
[21:34] <deepblue>  │                                                                           │
[21:34] <deepblue>  │ A display manager is a program that provides graphical login              │
[21:34] <deepblue>  │ capabilities for the X Window System.                                     │
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[21:34] <FloodBot1> deepblue: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:34] <kostkon> ice9, http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/
[21:34] <ice9> kostkon, didn't work, package are not in the current repo
[21:34] <Eren97> what is +z again?
[21:34] <lolfunnygai> I don't really have a problem with kismet, I just downloaded it to see what it was. But it striked me that it was from 2008, and made me think that perhaps a lot of ubuntus packages haven't been updated for years
[21:35] <kostkon> ice9, try in 13.10.
[21:36] <arnezt> /server irc.freenode.net:6667
[21:37] <Sameh> Do anyone have idea how to operate nvidia driver on Ubuntu? It's not loaded and conflicts with unity and compiz
[21:38] <k1l> Sameh: install "nvidia-current" from repos. thats it
[21:39] <lolfunnygai> is it bad to add a lot of repositories?
[21:39] <Sameh> K1l. I did that but didn't help and have me glx missing display 0:0 .. I don't know that why? Some applications depending on display stopped working
[21:40] <k1l> lolfunnygai: alot of PPAs brings alot of risk that things break
[21:40] <lolfunnygai> k1l: how come?
[21:40] <k1l> Sameh: that sounds like you installed some driver from another origin or have PPAs enabled which cause trouble now
[21:40] <lolfunnygai> I suppose your repository is where you get your software automatically updated?
[21:41] <k1l> lolfunnygai: because of depencies
[21:41] <lolfunnygai> ah
[21:41] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, if you add official project ppas that at most provide one or two packages then it should be fine
[21:41] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, e.g. wine ppa, etc
[21:41] <lolfunnygai> but adding, say, gentoos repository would most certainly mess things up?
[21:41] <k1l> lolfunnygai: the standard ubuntu repos are tested against each other. but if you add a PPA with a newer version the maintainer has to make sure it doesnt interfer with the original repos
[21:41] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, totally
[21:42] <k1l> lolfunnygai: oh no. dont add other distros repos
[21:42] <teknix_> fun fun
[21:42] <ice9> is there a download manager accelerator for Ubuntu?
[21:42] <mantys89> flareget
[21:42] <wilee-nilee> ice9, there is apt-fast
[21:43] <Territoriojoven> what happened here? http://pastebin.com/M9MNXBEU
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> ice9, There is a ppa for it.
[21:43] <lolfunnygai> but in ubuntus case, the repository stays the same for 6 months, and then constitutes a mega-update?
[21:43] <malkauns> how do i get facebook to work using empathy on 13.04?
[21:43] <k1l> lolfunnygai: no
[21:44] <lolfunnygai> malkauns: I'd try to update empathy to the latest version using their official ppa.. that might or might not be relevant
[21:44] <k1l> Territoriojoven: wubi :(
[21:44] <Territoriojoven> yes
[21:44] <Territoriojoven> i could install ubuntu and xubuntu before
[21:44] <Territoriojoven> why is lubuntu not working now
[21:44] <ice9> wilee-nilee, i mean for general http downloads
[21:44] <wilee-nilee> Territoriojoven, why are you using wubi, it is just for trying out the OS?
[21:44] <Territoriojoven> i waited like 3 hours
[21:45] <Territoriojoven> well i don't have usb or cd/dvd
[21:45] <mantys89> ice9 ->> flareget, uget, prozilla
[21:45] <wilee-nilee> ice9, thats what's it's for.
[21:46] <teknix_> Does anyone use Kali?
[21:46] <macguges> join #lfs-support
[21:46] <wilee-nilee> !kali | teknix_
[21:46] <k1l> teknix_: no kali support in here (its not even based on ubuntu)
[21:46] <teknix_> its debian right
[21:47] <k1l> see the mentioned kali support
[21:47] <teknix_> I'd just get in trouble with it t.t
[21:47] <_name> how do i connect to wifi from the root terminal in recovery mode?
[21:48] <_name> the network option doesnt seem to work and neither does iwconfig
[21:50] <lolfunnygai> alright, so let's say that I do this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa ....     now, what do ubuntu-wine/ppa point to? Wine's website? If so, how does it map "ubuntu-wine/ppa" to http://winehq.org/somethingosmething
[21:50] <OerHeks> lolfunnygai, no, to the PPA @ launchpad
[21:50] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, it maps it to the launchpad ppa not the wine website
[21:50] <k1l> !ppa | lolfunnygai
[21:51] <lolfunnygai> ah.. right. Gotta check out what that launchpad is. Seems to be some kind of NAV
[21:51] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, NAV?
[21:51] <lolfunnygai> I meant, communication central for package distribution something something.
[21:52] <iShotz> I just installed AMD drivers and when i boot to ubuntu, my resolution is fixed at 1280x1024, after i login all i get is my desktop
[21:52] <OerHeks> launchpad is a hidden treasure, complete building service and publishing
[21:52] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, software project hosting website
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, really, and you were expecting?
[21:53] <iShotz> Wilee-nilee: working drivers...?
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, How can we tell what you see your desktop means that, your desktop seems to be missing something eh.
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> !details | iShotz
[21:55] <OerHeks> iShotz, wilee-nilee wants to know what resolution you expected to see
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> or what is missing..etc
[21:56] <iShotz> Unity is gone and all i can do is drag a box and thats it, before i installed the drivers my reso was 1920x1080, my gpu is Radeon 3000
[21:56] <ice9> will the amd64 desktop iso work on Macbook?
[21:56] <iShotz> I can bring up terminal with ctrl alt t
[21:56] <bekks> ice9: use the mac amd64 iso.
[21:56] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, Ah, are these amd drivers from them or the ubuntu repos?
[21:56] <ice9> bekks, sorry I mean for 13.10 beta
[21:57] <Sheila> how i can delete all sub folder and files in main folder ?
[21:57] <bekks> ice9: The above applies again.
[21:57] <Sheila> and leaving the main folder empty
[21:57] <jrib> Sheila: select the mall, right click, delete
[21:57] <ice9> bekks, there is no mac iso, it's only the amd64 and the i386
[21:57] <bekks> Sheila: When doing so, your system renders unusable and totally broken.
[21:57] <iShotz> First time i tried they were from AMD, i re installed the os since i had the same problem
[21:57] <iShotz> This time, i followed this wiki http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Raring_Installation_Guide
[21:58] <OerHeks> Sheila, hit ctrl+h to see if there are hidden files to select too
[21:58] <OerHeks> in nautilus filemanager that is
[21:59] <bekks> ice9: I can see it there: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:59] <chamunks> If i want to check any incoming traffic on a port and dump it to a log file what would I need for this?
[21:59] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, I'm not your best help with drivers, mainly I was trying to get you to post enough details for those that are.
[22:00] <iShotz> Oh ok, thanks anyhow
[22:00] <MoPac> Hello -- I'm looking for help understanding and setting PYTHONPATH environment variables. I don't really get which file I need to put lines in or what the "export" command does (Ubuntu 13.04, Python versions 2.7 and 3)
[22:00] <MoPac> chamunks: if you're looking for raw traffic, Wireshark probably
[22:00] <chamunks> MoPac, I have to do this via CMD line
[22:01] <chamunks> I'm just trying to figure out what traffic that I need to pass to servers behind my proxy server for some customers.
[22:01] <jrib> MoPac: why do you even want to mess with PYTHONPATH at all?
[22:01] <MoPac> chamunks: tcpdump maybe?
[22:01] <chamunks> I'll do some googling thanks MoPac
[22:02] <Sheila> MoPac : can you help me
[22:02] <MoPac> jrib: I had a script install a suite of programs, and it suggested that I export a pythonpath to a folder under 2.7 before running them. I think my failure to do this might be a reason why I can't seem to call the scripts from bash
[22:03] <jrib> MoPac: what script?  What suite of programs?
[22:03] <MoPac> jrib: The script is at http://www.sbrac.org/files/build-gnuradio
[22:03] <MoPac> jrib: search the code for the words "you should probably set"
[22:04] <MoPac> Sheila: I don't know if I can help you; what is your question?
[22:04] <jrib> MoPac: gnuradio seems to be in the repositories; why not use the packages in the repositories/
[22:04] <Sheila> how i can delete all sub folder and files in main folder ?
[22:04] <Sheila> and leaving the main folder empty with same name
[22:04] <jrib> Sheila: select them all, right click, delete
[22:04] <Sheila> i use CLI
[22:05] <MoPac> jrib: The script-built and git-hosted versions are more up-to-date and also easier to mess with
[22:05] <jrib> Sheila: why do you want to do this?
[22:05] <jrib> Sheila: what are you deleting exactly?
[22:05] <Sheila> all sub folder and files located in folder
[22:05] <MoPac> jrib: Sheila: from within a folder, would " rmdir -r * " work for that?
[22:06] <jrib> MoPac: apparently not :P  Anyway, you can put PYTHONPATH in ~/.pam_environment.  Or if you need some bashish things, use ~/.profile
[22:06] <jrib> MoPac: no
[22:08] <iShotz> Ok i managed to uninstall the old drivers a bit but unity and the ui is gone still
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, have you rebooted?
[22:12] <iShotz> A few times yes
[22:12] <iShotz> Im trying to remove the packages i installed by this wiki
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> since this last adjustment?
[22:12] <halk> Anyone here knows about PCI modems? I have a problem with mine since I upgraded from 12.04 to 13.04. It does not properly communicate (using minicom I get garbage for commands such as ATI)
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, If you are using PPA's you would want to use ppa purge
[22:13] <iShotz>  Ppa?
[22:13] <iShotz> Im apt-get purging these
[22:13] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, I noticed that link you posted had references to PPA's is all. really with this you have to give exact info for real help here.
[22:14] <iShotz> Ill upload a video to show my issue fully
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, Can you document what you have done so far?
[22:15] <iShotz> Well i installed everything from that wiki
[22:15] <iShotz> Then i removed a few packages
[22:15] <iShotz> Rebooted
[22:15] <iShotz> Removed a few more
[22:15] <iShotz> About to reboot again
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, You have to understand how vague that sounds to us is all.
[22:15] <iShotz> I know
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[22:16] <lolfunnygai> "apt-get update" doesn't seem to update my software?
[22:16] <iShotz> Said packages are the ones listed in that wiki
[22:16] <iShotz> Its not meant to funny
[22:16] <wilee-nilee> lolfunnygai, are you running sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:17] <lolfunnygai> wilee-nilee: no, but I will now :)
[22:17] <lolfunnygai> I suppose
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> why not eh
[22:17] <lolfunnygai> so, when there's a new ubuntu version out, does "apt-get upgrade" install that too?
[22:17] <jrib> lolfunnygai: no
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, That wiki had many options, they do not all go together is all, most here will not wade through all of it.
[22:18] <iShotz> Screw this, im re installing again
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> lolfunnygai:  upgrade - ONLY upgrades to the latest packages in the current 'release'
[22:18] <jrib> Sheila: if you don't answer questions, we can't help you
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, when you do a frsh install does it work fine?
[22:18] <lolfunnygai> so when I want the newest ubuntu, I'll have to get the .iso image and upgrade my system from there?
[22:18] <iShotz> Yeah fresh install have no issues
[22:18] <Dr_Willis> lolfunnygai:  do-release-upgrade    can go to the next released version
[22:18] <halk> lolfunnygai: that's do-release-upgrade to go to a new full version
[22:19] <Dr_Willis> lolfunnygai:  so thats a no also. ;)
[22:19] <iShotz> Its only after i installed these drivers
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, I would stick with that then.
[22:19] <iShotz> But i need these drivers for my games
[22:19] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, just use the updater
[22:19] <k1l> !upgrade | lolfunnygai
[22:19] <lolfunnygai> lol, k
[22:19] <iShotz> Aka steam
[22:19] <lolfunnygai> thnk
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> iShotz, You want the drivers from the ubuntu repos is all, for best use. I would talk with the channel before you mess with the drivers in lieu of doing changes is all for steam.
[22:20] <iShotz> Also, good news netflix users
[22:20] <iShotz> Ok wil
[22:21] <iShotz> I talked to their live chat and i convinced them to move to HTML 5
[22:21] <kostkon> iShotz, old newzz
[22:21] <iShotz> Srsly
[22:21] <Dr_Willis> ill belive it when i see it.
[22:21] <iShotz> Appantly im down for beta testing
[22:21] <wilee-nilee> !cookie | iShotz for convincing netflix
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[22:22] <ice9> how to create bootable Ubuntu USB with GUID partition table to boot on Macbook?
[22:22] <iShotz> I nagged them about html5 a few months back
[22:22] <halk> Any idea why an internal modem would stop working in Ubuntu 13.04 vs 12.04?
[22:22] <iShotz> So yey
[22:22] <halk> It's a Search Results   MultiTech MT9234ZPX-UPCI
[22:22] <iShotz> Now all i need is native support on adobe and autodesk stuff
[22:23] <kostkon> iShotz, will neven happen
[22:23] <kostkon> never*
[22:23] <iShotz> Also, you dudes heard of SteamOS?
[22:23] <kostkon> y
[22:23] <lolfunnygai> but if I upgrade, will the repositories that I've added in my repository list file (something like "deb http://winehq.org RELEASENAME something"), change to the releasename to the name of my upgraded release?
[22:23] <iShotz> kostkon: i can dream
[22:23] <kostkon> iShotz, ubuntu 12.04 based
[22:24] <iShotz> I figured it'd be Ubuntu based
[22:25] <k1l> lolfunnygai: yes, the updater does that. but the question is, if the repository got packages for that new release.
[22:26] <lolfunnygai> ah
[22:26] <lolfunnygai> it seems that wine's PPA only had 1.4.1 (the newest is 1.7) for my release
[22:26] <k1l> lolfunnygai: well, more accurate. it will disable the non origin repos to make sure the upgrade doesnt get in trouble because of faulty non origin packages
[22:26] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, the updater will update and then disable any 3rd party repos before proceeding
[22:26] <lolfunnygai> but that's not really a concern, is it?
[22:27] <k1l> lolfunnygai: dont get on the "the latest is the best" train
[22:27] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, oyu can enable them yourself afterwards
[22:27] <lolfunnygai> k1l: hmm... really?
[22:27] <k1l> thats why i asked: do you really need the latest version.
[22:27] <lolfunnygai> nah, but in my experience they're often nicer from a user experience perspective, and usability perspective
[22:28] <k1l> and from the "it will brake my installation" perspective?
[22:28] <k1l> *break
[22:29] <halk> k1l: when you jump from an LTS to another, you break EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE!
[22:29] <halk> I've done that, once...
[22:29] <kostkon> halk, ??
[22:29] <halk> At least, when you upgrade every 6 months / 1 year, you don't have to repair everything all at once.
[22:29] <k1l> halk: worked for me several times. just yesterday
[22:30] <halk> kostkon: when you run many services, they tend to break (incompatible configuration files)
[22:30] <lolfunnygai> hmm, I see. And this is due to how the OS eco system works?
[22:30] <kostkon> halk, that's another story i guess
[22:30] <lolfunnygai> eh, open source eco system
[22:30] <lolfunnygai> and in this case, ubuntu in particular
[22:31] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, what exactly?
[22:31] <lolfunnygai> kostkon: that things break
[22:31] <kostkon> halk, my lts -> lts upgrades were successful
[22:31] <lolfunnygai> if you compare it to windows, everybody gets the same updates from microsoft.
[22:31] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, not it's not normal. upgrades, in any OS, can fail sometimes
[22:32] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, what do you mean
[22:32] <qwebirc29536> if you don't use many PPAs related to low-level components of your OS, then they should be mostly reliable with minor issues (upgrading)
[22:32] <k1l> even upgrades on windows machines can break. that is not the point. in general lts to lts upgrade work
[22:32] <SolarAquarion> how do I properly build packages for ubuntu?
[22:32] <halk> kostkon: the upgrade itself works, the services don't
[22:32] <kostkon> lolfunnygai, in ubuntu everyone gets the same updates from canonical
[22:32] <halk> kostkon: for example, right now my fax service is down because the OS doesn't talk to the modem PCI card...
[22:33] <lolfunnygai> kostkon: I mean that the compability of software on linux systems are much more complex than that on windows
[22:33] <SolarAquarion> i mean packaging sofware
[22:33] <gordonjcp> halk: good
[22:33] <gordonjcp> halk: fax machines need to die
[22:33] <k1l> halk: that could be because of the new drivers in new kernels.
[22:33] <gordonjcp> !packaging | SolarAquarion
[22:34] <lolfunnygai> halk: yes, but canonical get their "system critical" packages from a lot of places
[22:34] <gordonjcp> lolfunnygai: no, all the Ubuntu packages come from the Ubuntu servers
[22:34] <lolfunnygai> in windows, a program might just be dependent on what service pack you've installed. In linux, it depends on what version of a lot of dependencies that you've got
[22:34] <halk> gordonjcp: lolfunnygai is correct, all the free software comes from all over the place
[22:34] <lolfunnygai> gordonjcp: the ubuntu servers gets some of it from github
[22:35] <halk> k1l: yes, I am thinking that the "Exar Corp. XR17C/D152 Dual PCI UART (rev 02) (prog-if 02 [16550])" has changed and was hoping someone here would know something about it
[22:36] <lolfunnygai> halk: which makes it all more complex. Upgrading one package might break package A but fix package B (which in turn might mean compability issues for C)
[22:36] <gordonjcp> halk: right, but the packages all come from *one* place
[22:36] <gordonjcp> lolfunnygai: and?
[22:36] <Pici> *packages*
[22:36] <k1l> halk: besides ranting and flaming you should actually give a proper issue explanation with details. so people can help
[22:36] <gordonjcp> lolfunnygai: the *packages* are all from one source
[22:36] <halk> gordonjcp: yeah, although you could be using PPA packages and even Debian packages...
[22:37] <gordonjcp> halk: right, but it's not advisable to use Debian packages
[22:37] <halk> (as in packages that were compiled for Debian opposed to Ubuntu itself)
[22:37] <lolfunnygai> my point was just that, that's the reason why you can't always have the lastest version of everything that easy.
[22:37] <gordonjcp> lolfunnygai: yes
[22:37] <gordonjcp> lolfunnygai: it does take time to package stuff up
[22:37] <gordonjcp> lolfunnygai: you could use Arch Linux, where everything is so new that half the time it doesn't work properly ;-)
[22:38] <halk> lolfunnygai: I am aware of those problems... I wrote wpkg so I could manage packages under MS-Windows... http://windowspackager.org/
[22:38] <zykotick9> halk: fyi, mixing packages from different distros is a TERRIBLE idea.
[22:39] <gordonjcp> halk: oh, like using dpkg but for Windows?
[22:39] <Dr_Willis> even mixing from differnt releases - is a nasty idea
[22:39] <halk> gordonjcp: some companies have no idea Linux exists...
[22:39] <gordonjcp> halk: <shrug>
[22:39] <OerHeks> Best advise is to use backports or even more kinky proposed ubuntu-repo
[22:39] <lolfunnygai> it's just quite interesting how a huge amount of different "unrelated modular programmers" can combine their work like that.
[22:40] <gordonjcp> halk: I must admit, I don't really know how packages work in Windows, or how to install stuff
[22:40] <lolfunnygai> but that's another discussion
[22:43] <matti-007> !op
[22:43] <kostkon> ??
[22:49] <Achilles`> Hi all,
[22:49] <kamiyuh> hullo
[22:49] <Achilles`> Any Ptrace gurus around?
[22:54] <lolfunnygai> what do you guys think about flash?
[22:54] <lolfunnygai> needed? (I know it's a "dumb" question)
[22:55] <lolfunnygai> but perhaps you have some nice philosophy behind your choise
[22:55] <Hodapp> I think Flash needs to die in a fire.
[22:55] <wilee-nilee> !ot
[22:55] <StarFlower> when I look at the files in my folders there is always text overlaying the bottom file, is there a way to turn that off
[22:56] <lolfunnygai> on an ubuntu system that is, is it useful? My question is really: how can you watch youtube on ubuntu without it? do you need it?
[22:56] <Achilles`> No one familiar with Ptrace around then?
[22:56] <Hodapp> lolfunnygai: You can watch youtube videos with youtube-dl or various other programs without needing Flash. You can watch them in the browser (for the most part) with HTML5 - though the ads are not HTML5, and you'll need Chrome/Chromium to get H264 video support for HTML5.
[22:57] <Territoriojoven> WHY is the wubi for lubuntu taking 2 hours after download!?
[22:57] <Hodapp> lolfunnygai: I'm on Arch, not Ubuntu, but I've not installed Flash on this box, and I've encountered very few sites that insist on Flash for their video.
[22:57] <yeats> Achilles`: you'll probably get farther by asking your actual question
[22:58] <lolfunnygai> but ubuntu seems to require it.
[22:58] <Achilles`> ah makes sense…. well, here's my problem.
[22:58] <lolfunnygai> but I've ff 24.0, it should support html5
[22:58] <StarFlower> Does anyone know if theres a way to turn off the text that covers the bottom files in the file manager
[22:58] <Hodapp> lolfunnygai: It's not whether it supports HTML5 or not, it's that it doesn't do all the codecs required.
[22:58] <Hodapp> lolfunnygai: go to youtube.com/html5 (I think) and it will show you.
[22:59] <Hodapp> lolfunnygai: there might be ways to hack Firefox into doing H264, but I've never tried; Chrome can do it just fine.
 WHY is the wubi for lubuntu taking 2 hours after download!?
[22:59] <lolfunnygai> ah, non-free codec
[23:00] <lolfunnygai> is it specifically firefox, or just not my system that supports it?
[23:00] <lolfunnygai> (ubuntu of course)
[23:00] <Achilles`> I want to stop a forked child (PTRACE_TRACEME).. then do some set up in the parent process before I unblock the child (execev) to continue. How do I make the child continue ONLY after a certain point in my code, after I have finished all my set up… I don't want to Single Step or anything… I just want to collect some performance data on the forked child.
[23:00] <Hodapp> lolfunnygai: It's Firefox + Linux.
[23:00] <Achilles`> Trouble is… I don't know how to make it continue after that certain point.
[23:00] <utusan> I'd rather have flash than M$ silverlight
[23:01] <lolfunnygai> silverlight, ugh
[23:01] <lolfunnygai> it's forced upon you, but not useful for you
[23:01] <lolfunnygai> sorry, ot though
[23:01] <Hodapp> utusan: Flash certainly gets you further, than the approximately zero sites that use solely Silverlight.
[23:02] <utusan> Hodapp: there are sites that force you to have silverlight
[23:02] <Hodapp> utusan: They're very few.
[23:02] <lolfunnygai> and they use silverlight not because it's useful, but because they're forced to when they use certain MS publishing tools
[23:02] <Hodapp> utusan: The only one I'm aware of is Netflix.
[23:02] <Hodapp> and even they relax that rule for some clients.
[23:02] <Achilles`> Anyone?
[23:02] <jake> Hi
[23:02] <halk> Achiles: signal STOP
[23:02] <utusan> Hodapp: true very few but not zero as you claimed
[23:03] <halk> Achiles: then later signal CONT
[23:03] <Guest3171> I just installed Xubuntu 13.04
[23:03] <Nothing_Much> Who uses Silverlight anymore? MS is pulling the plug on it too from what I've heard.
[23:03] <Ulfalizer> i tried to install a 32-bit version of SDL on my amd64 install, and apt decided to remove a whole bunch of critical packages. looks like i'm currently without a window manager. any tips for getting it back? :P
[23:03] <Hodapp> utusan: I said approximately zero. Compared to the number of sites using Flash, it is.
[23:03] <Ulfalizer> ought to be a package for it...
[23:03] <Nothing_Much> Ulfalizer, the window manager?
[23:03] <Nothing_Much> it should be compiz
[23:03] <Hodapp> which is probably part of why MS is shitcanning it.
[23:03] <Guest3171> However, there's something labelled UDF Volume on the desktop, even though I didn't create any seperate partitions
[23:04] <Ulfalizer> ok, let's see if i can get another terminal up...
[23:04] <Nothing_Much> hang on Ulfalizer You're using Ubuntu right?
[23:04] <Ulfalizer> yup
[23:04] <Achilles`> @halk I tried CONT, somehow the parents get blocked I think till the child can finish… which is not what I had in mind.
[23:04] <Achilles`> get/gets*
[23:04] <Nothing_Much> Alright, it's compiz, if you used a different DE it would've been different
[23:04] <lolfunnygai> hmmm... I suppose my system is somewhat respects my privacy right now (it's a fresh install). But of what I've heard, google
[23:04] <Ulfalizer> Nothing_Much: sudo apt-get install compiz?
[23:04] <Nothing_Much> Ulfalizer, yes
[23:04] <Ulfalizer> not sure if that's what i'm currently missing, but the windows have no chrome at least
[23:04] <Nothing_Much> it's that and try unity as well
[23:05] <halk> Achiles: there is no reason why the parent would hang at that time, these are just signals...
[23:05] <Ulfalizer> ok, thanks
[23:05] <Nothing_Much> which version of Ubuntu btw?
[23:05] <Achilles`> @halk Thanks man… let me give it another try and see if it works.
[23:05] <Ulfalizer> Nothing_Much: 13.02
[23:06] <Nothing_Much> Ulfalizer, do 'sudo apt-get install unity' first
[23:06] <Nothing_Much> that should give you the proper dependencies for Ubuntu back
[23:06] <Nothing_Much> at least for the window manager
[23:06] <lolfunnygai> I don't know how much of a ubuntu question this is. Now, I suppose my system is somewhat respects my privacy right now (it's a fresh install). But of what I've heard, google's gmail app "hacked" the iOS sandbox and placed privacy intruding cookies in the safari browser. If I install chrome, will my overall system privacy be compromiced by them?
[23:06] <Ulfalizer> did them in the opposite order. seems to have worked though. :)
[23:06] <Ulfalizer> thanks!
[23:06] <Guest3171> Pictures:
[23:06] <Guest3171> http://imgur.com/pQhbnHX,ncjGPv5
[23:07] <Nothing_Much> not a problem Ulfalizer
[23:07] <Guest3171> So, if it's a swap partition, why is it showing up as a mountable partition?
[23:07] <Ulfalizer> wouldn't be surprised if something else is messed up with this system now though...
[23:08] <Ulfalizer> *reboot*
[23:08] <Guest3171> ?
[23:08] <Nothing_Much> is there a Debian channel for armel/armhf stuff?
[23:09] <Pici> Nothing_Much: start in #debian and see what they say?
[23:09] <Nothing_Much> Ah okay
[23:09] <utusan> try in oftc
[23:09] <zykotick9> Nothing_Much: try on OFTC
[23:09] <Pici> Nothing_Much: also try on oftc, I think thats where debian's official channels are
[23:09] <zykotick9> utusan: ;)
[23:09] <Nothing_Much> oftc?
[23:09] <utusan> debian doesn't use freenode
[23:09] <Nothing_Much> Ohh
[23:09] <Nothing_Much> That's a shame
[23:09] <Nothing_Much> Well
[23:09] <Ulfalizer> seems it removed e.g. gnome-terminal as well...
[23:10] <Ulfalizer> those apt-get install <package>:i386 commands seem dangerous as hell
[23:10] <Ulfalizer> i had imagined it would just install a i386 version alongside the 64-bit one :/
[23:10] <Nothing_Much> I was hoping to know why I couldn't find Unity (the interface) on Armhf or armel
[23:10] <Guest3171> And here's the output of dmesg | tail
[23:10] <Guest3171> http://imgur.com/LKPAszw
[23:10] <XRS1> whats the hdparm to remove write ptoection from a SATA drive?
[23:10] <zykotick9> Ulfalizer: not all packages are multiarch aware at this point, so yes, can be dangerous.
[23:11] <Ulfalizer> zykotick9: would it do that if it was a multiarch-aware package?
[23:11] <zykotick9> Ulfalizer: no.  but CHECK what is happening with apt-get BEFORE you proceed in future.
[23:11] <Guest3171> Hello?
[23:12] <Ulfalizer> yeah, should look into that. do a dry run thingie first...
[23:12] <XRS1> protection*
[23:12] <zykotick9> Ulfalizer: just default apt-get install foo will tell you want it's gonna do, before it does it...
[23:13] <Ulfalizer> might've seen the "deleting x packages" and thought "prolly needed to set things up for multiarch" :)
[23:13] <Ulfalizer> bit naive
[23:13] <Ulfalizer> *removing
[23:14] <Ulfalizer> ah well, it was a fresh install at least, and i know what not to do in the future :P
[23:14] <Guest3171> So, any ideas?
[23:16] <XRS1> Guest3171,  have you tried running testdisk?
[23:16] <Guest3171> not yet
[23:16] <XRS1> that will try and repair the drive
[23:19] <Ulfalizer> while i'm here - what would you suggest for cross-compiling and testing 32-bit versions of an app on 64-bit ubuntu?
[23:20] <Ulfalizer> that depends on non-multiarch-aware packages
[23:20] <Ulfalizer> one of the reasons i got a 64-bit install was to be able to test both easily, but maybe it's not that straightforward
[23:21] <XRS1> gcc and both the 32bit and 64bit libs
[23:21] <Ulfalizer> what would be a good way to get the 32-bit sdl libs alongside the 64-bit ones?
[23:22] <Ulfalizer> and possibly other non-multiarch-aware packages
[23:23] <Ulfalizer> google suggests chrooting. i'll look into that.
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> 32bit test os - inside virtualbox perhaps?
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> to better simulate what a 32bit user would have
[23:24] <Ulfalizer> Dr_Willis: that'd work, but i'd rather not have to deal with cumbersome VMs unless necessary
[23:24] <Ulfalizer> yeah, that'd be an advantage
[23:24] <XRS1> well you cant test something without actually testing it
[23:24] <Dr_Willis> I dont find lubuntu in vbox cumbersom ;)
[23:25] <Dr_Willis> given how my normal 'setup' is so tweaked compared to a vanilla install of ubuntu - id think you would want to test in a 'clean' known install in any case
[23:25] <Ulfalizer> XRS1: it's better than nothing, and i'd probably do more rigorous testing before releases
[23:26] <Dr_Willis> at least you are not asking how to get your app in the default ubuntu repos just so you can have others test it. ;)  (had someone in here demanding to do that the other day, he dident even want to bother making his own ppa) ;P
[23:26] <zykotick9> Ulfalizer: you may run into issue with chroot and X... best of luck.
[23:28] <zippo^> hello, xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0 works great. but when the computer restart, than must I again xinput set-prop 12 "Device Enabled" 0. where can I a setting from automatic?
[23:29] <loa> hello, how i can make loading of ubuntu really sillent?
[23:30] <loa> sometimes when ubuntu boot i see warning or other output of init scripts
[23:30] <Ulfalizer> zykotick9: yeah, not sure how that would work with something like sdl, which needs to link against the x libs :/
[23:30] <loa> how i can switch it off complete?
[23:30] <Ulfalizer> if those are 64-bit as well, you'd need a whole separate system with a ton of packages in the chroot it seems...
[23:31] <Dr_Willis> loa:  if theres a 'disk needing fsck'ed message' you really really do want to see those. ;)
[23:31] <Ulfalizer> bleh
[23:31] <loa> Dr_Willis, =/
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> loa:  most people come in here asking how to see all the messages ;)
[23:32]  * Ulfalizer wonders what the least-hassle vm thingy you could run is
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> because by default -  pymouth covers up most all of them  in many cases
[23:32] <Dr_Willis> Ulfalizer:  vbox is rather easy to get going
[23:32] <loa> Dr_Willis, it really anoing that i see messages for example about stunnel or something like this)
[23:32] <loa> i just want emblem of ubuntu)
[23:32] <Ulfalizer> ok
[23:33] <loa> without any text and artefacts
[23:33] <loa> but knowlege about seeing all text messages will be good information too)
[23:33] <loa> but i think i no how i can do)
[23:33] <Dr_Willis> !text
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> the system boots to a framebuffer mode, and plymouth runs as soon as possible to give you the lovely (and often broken) ubuntu ....     loading screen
[23:34] <OerHeks> "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" should prevent 'normal' text messages
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> it never seems to work right for me. because of issues with the nvidia drivers
[23:34] <lb_> Can someone help me?
[23:34] <Dr_Willis> "quiet splash" is the defaults as far as i know.
[23:36] <lbb2> Can someone help me?
[23:36] <Frozenlock> Hello gentlemen. Yesterday I updated my machine (sudo apt-get update) and since then my screens turn black a few seconds after boot. Audio is disabled as well, and pretty much everything else. It's as if my machine was going into sleep mode, and getting stuck in it.
[23:36] <OerHeks> just ask lbb2
[23:36] <Frozenlock> Is this a known problem for the last few updates?
[23:37] <lbb2> I need help.. OerHeks
[23:37] <lbb2> I'm installing UbunTu in Virtual Box on my Windows 8 lap Top. Everytime it is done it asks me to restart and everytime I do Virtual Box stops working and it says it is not responding. I tried this with UbunTu 12.04 TLS and 13.04 I even unistalled Virtual Box and tried again and it didn't work.
[23:38] <Dr_Willis> hmm.
[23:41] <jared_> Hello
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> howdies
[23:42] <Guest98274> Is there a way to get Ubuntu on a 700mb disc, like a Ubuntu thats 700mb for 64bit pc
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu i belive fits on a 700mb cd   Guest98274
[23:42] <Dr_Willis> or use an older ubuntu release.
[23:43] <Guest98274> can i have a link
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> !torrents
[23:43] <Guest98274> im not very used to this
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> !lubuntu
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu - is ubuntu without unity. but using the lxde desktop instead
[23:43] <Guest98274> im using XUbuntu
[23:43] <Dr_Willis> most people use a USB to install from these days Guest98274
[23:44] <Guest98274> i use a cd, but u can use usb drives??
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> you have been able to use a bootalbe usb flash for like.. years...
[23:44] <Guest98274> WOW
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> most all disrtos do it that way these days. or can
[23:44] <Guest98274> how can i boot them on though, do i need a special one
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> Ive ran whold systems off of a 32gb usb flash. ;)
[23:44] <Dr_Willis> you just use a tool to put the ISO file on the usb in a special way
[23:45] <Guest98274> like??
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[23:45] <shusain> Guest nearly all bios chips support the option but you have to go into bios sometimes
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> !install
[23:45] <yeats> Guest98274: unetbootin is a good option too
[23:45] <Guest98274> k,well i gtg ima look into that
[23:45] <Dr_Willis> ive had way to many issues with unetbootin over the years.  :) not tried it recently
[23:46] <Dr_Willis> some of the tools at pendrivelinux have much nicer feature sets.
[23:46] <Dr_Willis> like Multi ISO files on a single usb. ;)
[23:47] <Ulfalizer> one issue i had when installing earlier today was that i couldn't change the boot order to put the usb stick first as it'd confuse the installer and break the install (infinite blinking cursor). had to keep the boot order with the disk first and force boot from the usb stick in the bios instead. :/
[23:47] <Ulfalizer> stuff like that could be more robust
[23:47] <Dr_Willis> Ulfalizer:  ive not seen that been an issue in years.
[23:47] <Ulfalizer> this is a two-year-old core-i7 machine
[23:47] <Dr_Willis> I dont have to change th4e order to install. i just tell the bios to boot the usb
[23:47] <Ulfalizer> don't remember mobo off the top of my head. ssd drive.
[23:48] <Ulfalizer> had to tell it to boot from the usb rather than put the usb first in the boot order though
[23:48] <Ulfalizer> my bios has an option for that
[23:48] <Dr_Willis> you do have to double check that the GRUB loader is going on the MBR of the hd you plan on booting once you install.
[23:48] <Ulfalizer> seemed to be the difference between sda and sdb in the installer, so some confusion over mappings i guess...
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> you dont need to put the USB first. ;)  unless you want it to always boot the usb if its plugged in.. but if you remove the usb. that bios setting gets reset from what ive seen
[23:49] <Dr_Willis> now years ago - i had a pc that whatever HD you selected to boot from the bios menu - became 'sda' that really really casued issues.  this was befor the switch to 'UUID' nameing
[23:50] <Ulfalizer> Dr_Willis: i don't think putting the usb stick first in the boot order should break the install though. in many older bios:es that was the only way to boot from a cd iirc, if you also had a bootable hdd.
[23:50] <unknown__> Will someone teach me how to expand a Windows 7 iso onto a flash drive using ubuntu?
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen grub break for many other reasns Ulfalizer   - i imagine 'boot-repair' from a live cd - would have fixed your issues
[23:50] <Dr_Willis> unknown__:  you can use the 'dd' command to Image a ISO file straight to a usb.
[23:50] <Ulfalizer> oh, wasn't aware of that option
[23:51] <Dr_Willis> unknown__:  ie:  ->   'sudo dd if=windows.iso  of=/dev/sdX bs=4M'     where sdX is the proper device name for your USB.. DONT get it wrong.
[23:51] <Fyodorovna> unknown_, ntfs with a boot flag, exstract it to it with the archive manager.
[23:51] <Ulfalizer> did a linux from scratch thingy years ago, and i remember there being some guesswork involved in the bios->device mappings in grub, so not that weird if it's easily confused
[23:51] <unknown__> Dr_Willis ; Thank you, but I not sure what I'm doing
[23:52] <Dr_Willis> grub not getting set right = is a top 10 problem these days
[23:52] <Dr_Willis> unknown__:  id suggest asking in #windows for guideance. they may know of some guides
[23:52] <Dr_Willis> unknown__:  the pendrivelinux site might have some tools to automate it also. Ive never put windows on a usb that way.
[23:52] <unknown__> Dr_Willis the Iso is in my homefolder and it's name is X17-24281.iso
[23:52] <Fyodorovna> there is a forked to linux usb windows loader from ms
[23:53] <unknown__> do you have a link fyodorovna?
[23:54] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/tool-to-create-windows-usb-install.html
[23:55] <threesixes> oh yeah ubuntu 12.04 saving the day
[23:55] <Dr_Willis> seems unetbootin at one time had the feature as well
[23:55] <Dr_Willis> it may still have it. ;)
[23:55] <unknown__> Thank you Dr_willis
[23:56] <unknown__> I tried unetbootin but it didn't seem to work, maybe user error :P
[23:57] <Fyodorovna> unknown_ look up winusb, it's a forked windows usb loader
[23:58] <Fyodorovna> unknown_, http://askubuntu.com/questions/116885/can-i-use-ubuntu-to-write-a-windows-7-iso-to-usb-in-ubuntu
[23:59] <Fyodorovna> It canbe installed without the ppa I believe, as a download


[00:16] <xteejx> Hi all
[00:27] <crimsun> Laney: is #227505 reproducible for you in a current daily live of 10.04?
[00:43] <xteejx> I found a script to tell me the depends and build-depends from the source... but I lost it, anyone know where to find it? I've googled for ages!
[01:07] <zooko> Greetings, people of #ubuntu-motu!
[01:16] <zooko> What does this mean? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.motu/6441
[01:16] <zooko> (Seen on lwn.net's Distribution page this week.)
[01:16] <zooko> Oh I guess I should read the referenced articles about ongoing discussion...
[01:19] <zooko> Huh. Interesting
[03:00] <dhillon-v10> hi all, while doing a merge, I find this one file present in Ubuntu but not in the Debian package, the changelog for debian doesn't mention about this file, so what's the best course of action here, keep that file or remove it
[03:21] <persia> dhillon-v10: The best course of action is always to understand what things do, and make your best determination as to whether it should keep being done.  What is the file in this case?
[03:28] <dhillon-v10> persia: thanks for the reply, the file is called: libecryptfs0.shlibs and it contains: libecryptfs 0 libecryptfs0 (>= 77)
[03:28] <dhillon-v10> persia: that's it
[03:28] <dhillon-v10> persia: bzr gives me this: Contents conflict in debian/libecryptfs0.shlibs
[03:29] <dhillon-v10> persia: but there's no marker in that file to cause a conflict
[03:29] <persia> Right.  Read the dh_makeshlibs manpage
[03:29] <dhillon-v10> persia: okay, just a minute
[03:31] <dhillon-v10> persia: so basically look for: dh_makeshlibs in the rules and if its there then i keep that file, because it basically contains the shlibs, and if its not there (which is the case) I can remove that file right?
[03:31] <persia> No.
[03:32] <persia> So, if dh_makeshlibs isn't there, then that's its own problem, because you're dealiing with a library.  Note that dh_makeshlibs is implied by dh(1) or cdbs.
[03:33] <persia> If it is there, then you might want to check the common ancestor to see if it was there before, or whether it's really an Ubuntu addition (you may also be able to check this from patches.ubuntu.com, depending).
[03:33] <dhillon-v10> persia: alright, I'll check patches.ubuntu.com
[03:33] <persia> Also, you might try building the package, and see if the binary shlibs files differ with and without that file, and also inspect the binary packages produced by recent uploads.
[03:34] <persia> (because dh_makeshlibs can generate one from scratch under some conditions).
[03:35] <persia> Your target goal should be to make sure that the binary packages (especially the -dev package) are constructed in such a way that other packages build-depending on the library on which you are working get the correct run-time dependencies from ${shlibs:Depends}
[03:35] <persia> You may or may not need to preserve (or modify) that file in order to reach this goal.
[03:35] <dhillon-v10> persia: yeah you are right, the file is indeed an ubuntu specific change, so I'll have  to keep it :)
[03:36] <dhillon-v10> persia: the patch says that
[03:37] <persia> dhillon-v10: Note that you may have to modify it, if the ABI has changed.
[03:38] <dhillon-v10> persia: so is that the cause of the contents-conflict bzr is giving, an outdated file
[03:38] <persia> I've no idea about that.  I can only tell you about the contents of the packages.
[03:48] <wrapster> i was trying to build libtspi and i get this error... http://pastie.org/799908
[03:48] <dhillon-v10> persia: another question: the po stuff that shows up in the diff should be removed right, the patch right now looks really long, because a major change was the formatting of changelog and control files
[03:48] <wrapster> what does this even mean?
[03:48] <persia> dhillon-v10: Best to ask questions generally.  Someone else may have a faster or better answer.
[03:49] <dhillon-v10> another question: the po stuff that shows up in the diff should be removed right, the patch right now looks really long, because a major change was the formatting of changelog and control files
[03:49] <persia> That said, Debian translations are preferred except in special cases (which would be noted in the changelog).  In cases where there are translations changes, it is important to migrate only the translations that are intentionally changed, and otherwise keep the Debian translations.
[03:50] <persia> wrapster: Check your build-depends.  If that doesn't work, try regenerating the autoconf stuff (but I think that's happening at build-time, from your log).
[03:57] <segler> hi, i am searchin' for advocates for my rhythmbox plugin, please help me. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[03:59] <wrapster> persia: there were no buid-depends issues.
[04:00] <wrapster> yet i still get the same error
[04:00] <persia> wrapster: You're sure the desired version of all the libtool related stuff is being installed during the build?
[04:00] <persia> If so, you may have to relibtoolise (which is something I've not yet mastered), or it may be something else.
[04:03] <wrapster> persia: i just saw and one of the chid pkgs, has a dependency on libssl-dev.
[04:03] <wrapster> and thats not installed
[04:04] <persia> I doubt that's the cause of issues with LIBTOOL definition.
[04:04] <persia> That might be another issue though :)
[04:04] <wrapster> yeah.. its not.. it was my mistake.. thats already installed. :)
[04:09] <wrapster> persia: well this is what i want... Im trying to build the 64bit version of libtspi.so
[04:14] <wrapster> persia: reading across google seems to tell me i might need to have automake >=1.9 and i do have it.
[04:15] <wrapster> yet i dont really understand about this issue.. could you please help me/
[04:17] <persia> wrapster: I don't know anything beyond that included in your paste.  It appears AC_PROG_LIBTOOL isn't defined.  All I can suggest is investigating other build logs (especially ./configure output from a successful build of libtspi), and either following the advice from the error messages or something else.
[04:17] <persia> It may be that aclocal and autoconf aren't being run for some reason (if AC_PROG_RANLIB and AC_PROG_LIBTOOL are defined), or it may be something entirely different.
[04:18] <persia> I know lots about packaging and debugging crashes, but I only have a passing knowledge of autotools, and that mostly by running stuff and seeing the effects, rather than from any comprehensive source.
[04:19] <persia> (and asking please doesn't make me any more able to help you :) )
[04:41] <wrapster> persia: yeah i know.. but thats just courtesy.
[04:41] <wrapster> ;)
[04:43] <MTecknology> makefiles are ugly..
[04:43] <persia> Why?
[04:44] <MTecknology> persia: I can't get my head around this thing at all
[04:44] <persia> This is because of an aesthetic concern, or something else? :)
[04:44] <MTecknology> partly that possibly - I'm trying to fix up an itty bitty make file; it doesn't like me
[04:45] <persia> How are you trying to fix it?
[04:45] <MTecknology> lemme pull up the vm
[04:46] <MTecknology> I decided to do any development in a vm only
[04:46] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu.com/364991/
[04:47] <MTecknology> I know there should be an uninstall: - I don't think it needs a clean: but should probably have one
[04:47] <persia> OK.  Which bit hates you?
[04:47] <MTecknology> beyond that - I'm clueless
[04:47] <MTecknology> I'm beed reading this - http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html - and just getting confused
[04:47] <persia> make is an immensely powerful tool, and so confusing :)
[04:48] <MTecknology> The install: isn't right - I know that
[04:49] <persia> It's mostly right.  Use `install -m 644 -D` instead of cp for the manpage, and `install -m 755 -D` instead of cp for the binary.
[04:49] <MTecknology> If anything the man should be gzipped and sent to /usr/share/man/man1/lal.1.gz
[04:49] <persia> Also, you probably want to install to ${DESTDIR}/bin or ${INSTALLDIR}/bin or something, rather than /usr/bin
[04:49] <persia> Same for the manpage.
[04:50] <persia> Or, if you just want the makefile to play nice with a standard debian/rules, install to ${DESTDIR}/usr/bin and ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man/man1
[04:52] <persia> If you want to be fancy, you could use ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin and ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/share/man/man1 and add a PREFIX ?= usr/local somewhere earlier (which you'd then override in debian/rules with PREFIX := usr)
[04:53] <MTecknology> any reason I'd do that over the other option?
[04:53] <persia> Your all: rule definitely isn't right.  all: should generally not have any specific activities, but rather just depend on other rules.  You might add a lal: rule, and have all: depend on lal:
[04:54] <persia> The fancy way I described installs into /usr/local/* (unless overridden) for a local make; make install, and installs to ${DESTDIR}/usr/* if PREFIX is overridden in debian/rules, thereby building the package you want.
[04:55] <MTecknology> how do I override that?
[04:55] <persia> Other tricks that might be useful would be things like CFLAGS ?= $(shell pkg-config x11 xft --libs --cflags), and then using ${CFLAGS} in your calls.
[04:55] <persia> If you want to be fancy, you could use ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin and ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/share/man/man1 and add a PREFIX ?= usr/local somewhere earlier (which you'd then override in debian/rules with PREFIX := usr)
[04:55] <MTecknology> sorry
[04:56] <persia> No problem: it's just easier for me to quote myself than retype :)
[04:57] <persia> actually, for CFLAGS, you'd probably want += rather then ?=.  That way you can take advantage of any extra cflags that get defined somewhere else.
[04:57] <MTecknology> so in rules:   %:    PREFIX ?= usr/local    dh  $@
[04:57] <persia> No.
[04:57] <persia> Put your variable defintion above your rules.
[04:58] <MTecknology> oh - you said put that part in the makefile - override in rules
[05:00] <rhpot1991> hmmm no RAOF tonight
[05:00] <MTecknology> so in deb/rules I have PREFIX = usr/bin  ?
[05:00] <rhpot1991> persia: (or anyone else), mind taking a quick peak at this: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d306a3b3d
[05:00] <persia> rhpot1991: It's best to just ask a question.  Whoever happens to be around will probably answer.
[05:01] <rhpot1991> oh wait, I think I see my issue
[05:01] <rhpot1991> persia: ignore me till I fix a path issue
[05:01] <persia> rhpot1991: I don't see the point of a manual postinst: read the dh_makeshlibs manpage
[05:01] <persia> Also, install the file to libfoo.so.n and the link to libfoo.so
[05:02] <persia> MTecknology: I'd probably use "export PREFIX := usr", but it might work without all the syntactic sugar.
[05:03] <persia> You don't want usr/bin, because you're using ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin/ so you already have the "bin".
[05:04] <MTecknology> so export pre.... goes after %: in deb/rules ?
[05:04] <persia> Before.
[05:04] <persia> Actually, if you use "export PREFIX := usr", it doesn't matter, but the convention is to define the variables before the rules.
[05:05] <MTecknology> ok
[05:05] <MTecknology> so how do I require something else?
[05:05] <MTecknology> in the makefile
[05:06] <persia> How do you mean "require"?
[05:06] <MTecknology> inside all: require lal:
[05:07] <persia> "all: lal"
[05:07] <persia> That means the all: rule depends on either the lal: rule or the lal file.
[05:08] <persia> (typically rules are named after the files they generate.  For other types of rules, there'S the special .PHONY: rule which one uses to indicate make shouldn't check files.  For more information, read about .PHONY in the make manual)
[05:08] <MTecknology> and lal: is where I build thing?
[05:08] <persia> The lal: rule should create the lal: binary.
[05:09] <MTecknology> and and for lal.1? the man page
[05:09] <MTecknology> since it will need to be gzipped
[05:10] <persia> You could create a lal.1.gz: rule for that.
[05:10] <persia> If you did, you probably want your install: rule to depend on lal and lal.1.gz
[05:11] <rhpot1991> persia: let me run this by you then, upstream wasn't including any soname data at all, I'll be submitting a patch for this.  In their build process they reference libhdhomerun.so directly.  Can I handle the symlinking myself in the packaging, or does this need to be done at the build phase?
[05:12] <persia> rhpot1991: You can handle it in the packaging if you like.  If upstream isn't including SONAME data, I strongly encourage you to create a symbols file to track ABI shifts.
[05:12] <persia> dh_link is probably interesting.  dh_install can't rename files, so you'd have to do that in debian/rules directly.
[05:13] <wrapster> what does Provides: mean in the control file?
[05:13] <MTecknology> persia: so if you run 'make' will that do what's in all: ?
[05:13] <persia> Yes.
[05:14] <MTecknology> and in the install command, how do I specify the source I'm moving?
[05:14] <rhpot1991> persia: happen to have a link or anything a symbols file?
[05:15] <MTecknology> install -m 755 -D ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin/ lal
[05:15] <persia> !symbols
[05:15] <persia> Hrm.
[05:15] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/stefanlsd/dpkg-gensymbols
[05:15] <persia> MTecknology: man install :)  I'll give you make syntax, because programming language manuals are tricky, but simple commands are easy :)
[05:16] <MTecknology> I wasn't aware of an install command :P
[05:17] <MTecknology> Looks like I want this -   install -m 755 -D ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin/ lal lal
[05:18] <MTecknology> I know one way to know for sure :)
[05:19] <persia> heh :)
[05:21] <MTecknology> yup - that was wrong
[05:21] <persia> Maybe drop one of the spaces?
[05:22] <rhpot1991> persia: whats the proper way to handle this whole issue, currently their makefile just inserts empty soname data, I have modified this to insert some real data but now my link are backwards, should the makefile handle the linking or should everything build off the full soname file version?
[05:23] <MTecknology> persia: I thought I was supposed to have a space after the -D /dir/ because it said that sets up everything except the last piece in man install
[05:24] <persia> rhpot1991: In an ideal world, the upstream makefile will build shared library into a versioned binary.  My personal preference when this doesn't happen is to wangle this in debian/rules and add a symbols file, but patching the upstream makefile is arguably more correct because it produces a patch one can send upstream.
[05:25] <persia> MTecknology: install [OPTION]... [-T] SOURCE DEST
[05:26] <MTecknology> persia: install -m 755 lal ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin/lal worked
[05:26] <MTecknology> I'm lost with the -D
[05:27] <MTecknology> google isn't nice in finding examples :P
[05:27] <MTecknology> something about a command being called install
[05:27] <persia> -D creates any directories that didn't exist.  Like mkdir -o
[05:27] <persia> Err, mkdir -p
[05:27] <persia> It's a *good* name.  The command installs stuff.
[05:27] <MTecknology> oh
[05:28] <MTecknology> .... that makes much more sense when I read it now
[05:28] <MTecknology> I didn't say it's a bad command - but it's a hard one to search for
[05:29] <MTecknology> so   install -m 755 -D ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin/ ./lal ${DESTDIR}/${PREFIX}/bin/lal
[05:29] <MTecknology> or w/o the ./ probably
[05:32] <MTecknology> I try that and I get install: target `/usr/bin/lal' is not a directory
[05:33] <persia> MTecknology: Are you root?
[05:33] <MTecknology> ya
[05:33] <persia> And you had the -D?
[05:33] <persia> Oh, I see the issue.
[05:34] <persia> read the very first line of the summary in the manpage again.
[05:34] <MTecknology> DOH!
[05:34] <MTecknology> OK!
[05:34] <MTecknology> -D takes no arguments
[05:34]  * MTecknology facepalm at man page
[05:35] <MTecknology> sorry for missing that
[05:37] <MTecknology> alrighty - I'm guessing I should be able to start a new terminal session - make; sudo make install
[05:37] <MTecknology> nope
[05:38] <MTecknology> I thought lal and lal.1.gz after all had their own lines - I guess not
[05:38] <persia> paste your Makefile again?
[05:39] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu.com/365006/
[05:39] <MTecknology> little different now
[05:39] <persia> Right.  all: typically wouldn't depend on lal.1.gz
[05:39] <persia> install: needs to depend on the stuff it's copying.
[05:40] <persia> Drop the export line from install, you want just "PREFIX ?= usr/local" at the top (above all:)
[05:40] <MTecknology> oh.. does the user still needto do make before make install?
[05:40] <persia> Right now, yes, but if you follow my advice above, no.
[05:41] <MTecknology> ok; I always that that was the norm :P
[05:41] <persia> It is, but that's for entirely different reasons.
[05:41] <MTecknology> ok, should I just have all:    lal
[05:42] <MTecknology> then install:   lal   lal.1.gz ?
[05:42] <persia> You can leave all: alone or not, as you like, but if you don't specify the dependencies in install, you are prone to errors.
[05:42] <MTecknology> ok
[05:43] <persia> Also, you're installing by default to /usr/local/usr/bin : is that what you want?
[05:43] <MTecknology> I dropped /usr from that
[05:44] <persia> I can only critique what I see :)
[05:44] <MTecknology> http://paste.ubuntu.com/365009/
[05:44] <MTecknology> I meant because you said it - just letting yoy know I listened
[05:46] <MTecknology> heh - 'make' doesn't want to do anything now
[05:46] <MTecknology> and I see why :P
[05:46] <persia> That's why you want a clean: rule :)
[05:47] <MTecknology> just an rm command?
[05:48] <MTecknology> and depend on clean?
[05:49] <persia> No.
[05:49] <persia> A clean: rule.  clean: rules typically contain lots of "-rm " lines.
[05:50] <MTecknology> -rm ?
[05:50] <MTecknology> I know "rm" but "-rm"..
[05:50] <MTecknology> I just tossed this together now - http://paste.ubuntu.com/365013/
[05:50] <MTecknology> apparently wrong :P
[05:52] <MTecknology> persia: sorry for trying to jump into this with apparently very little knowledge - I thought I knew enough to be able to do better than this
[05:52] <MTecknology> nice big learning curve that I'm hoping to overcome someday
[05:52] <MTecknology> RAOF: hi - somebody was looking for you
[05:52] <MTecknology> 23:00 < rhpot1991> hmmm no RAOF tonight
[05:53] <persia> Two recommendations.  1) prefix any line you don't care about succeeding with '-'.  This is useful in case you want to, for example, run `make clean; make clean`.  2) don7t bother with all the ./ entries.  make knows where it is.
[05:53] <rhpot1991> I hit up persia all good :)
[05:53] <MTecknology> ok
[05:53] <RAOF> rhpot1991: Hah.
[05:53] <persia> But I'll leave the rest of it to either the make manual or someone else :)
[05:54] <MTecknology> persia: thanks - I'll try out this sexxy beast now
[05:54] <persia> Oh, one last bit: install depending on clean: means that the stuff will always be deleted before being installed.
[05:54] <MTecknology> I'll not do that if that's bad
[05:55] <RAOF> Well, generally you need to not delete the things that you're about to try to install :)
[05:55] <MTecknology> err - I was thinking depend on uninstall
[05:55] <MTecknology> which I guess isn't needed
[05:56] <MTecknology> I thought -D created a directory if not exists
[05:57] <MTecknology> It doesn't want to isntall lal.1.gz
[05:58] <MTecknology> Is that something that shouldn't have ${PREFIX} in it?
[05:58] <MTecknology> just ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/man/man1/lal.1.gz
[06:00] <MTecknology> -D  create all leading components of DEST except the last, then  copy
[06:00] <MTecknology> It should make that part - not complain
[06:02] <MTecknology> persia: thats for putting up with me again - I have the ITP filed too - so it's probably figure out a few tiny things on my own - then take the peoples suggestions - then actually submit to debian and file RFS :D
[06:02] <MTecknology> persia: I appreciate all the help and holding my hand
[06:02] <MTecknology> RAOF: thanks for your help too :)
[07:46] <alkisg> How can I allow 2 individuals full read/access to my bzr branch? (https://code.launchpad.net/sch-scripts)
[08:02] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <iulian> G'morning Daniel.
[08:28] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[08:30] <dupondje> this feels stupid :)
[08:30] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-do/+bug/513802
[08:30] <dupondje> and 1 hour after it, the FTBFS got fixed :)
[08:47] <Laney> crimsun: (re #227505) No, I don't see that any more, but (on a dist-upgraded system, not a live cd) I'm having to toggle mute to get any sound output
[10:10] <om26er> I am having a problem with finding the copyrights of a tarrball I downloaded
[10:11] <slytherin> om26er: isn't there any COPYING or LICENSE file?
[10:11] <directhex> om26er, that's usually not a great sign. have you tried contacting the upstream developer?
[10:12] <om26er> slytherin, yes copying file is there
[10:12] <slytherin> om26er: then what is the issue?
[10:13] <om26er> slytherin, what should I look for in there? copyrights change with time
[10:13] <slytherin> om26er: Wait a minute, are you looking for license or copyright owners?
[10:14] <slytherin> I mean copyright holders for the code.
[10:14] <om26er> slytherin, copyright ownsers
[10:14] <om26er> ya
[10:14] <slytherin> is there AUTHORS file?
[10:15] <om26er> slytherin, yess
[10:15] <om26er> am looking
[10:15] <slytherin> om26er: doesn't it list copyright holders?
[10:16] <om26er> slytherin, no it dont
[10:17] <slytherin> om26er: Another option. a bit manual and lengthy. Check headers of source files. grep for word Copyright in the source files.
[10:38] <om26er> I got this error http://pastebin.org/83882 while building
[11:18] <om26er> please help I am getting the error when building  dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[11:32] <maxb> om26er: That is merely the consequence of an earlier error
[11:33] <om26er> maxb, did I do something wrong?
[11:40] <maxb> You'd need to pastebin more of your build log for people to help
[11:46] <om26er> maxb, terminal log?
[11:46] <maxb> yes
[11:57] <xteejx> If a source comes in several different packages, i.e. 1..the source for a program, 2..the data, 3.....the sounds ... can these be packaged separately and depend on each other without any problems?
[11:57] <om26er> here is the terminal log http://pastebin.org/83897
[11:58] <xteejx> Hi om26er :) Congrats on your Bug Control application
[11:58] <om26er> xteejx, thanx :)
[12:09] <slytherin> xteejx: Sure why not. In fact the new source format 3.0 allows different upstream tar balls to be combined together.
[12:09] <xteejx> Oh wow ok :)
[12:10] <slytherin> xteejx: If you want to package it old way you will have to create 3 different source packages. Otherwise use 3.0 format - http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0
[12:10] <xteejx> Cool, thanks slytherin
[12:43]  * directhex wonders if he owes bddebian cake
[15:04] <xteejx> FTBFS: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ogre-contrib/1.6.4-1/+build/1350584  - builds fine locally on i386
[15:10] <xteejx> The error seems to be the autobuilder did not install nvidia-cg-toolkit, whereas locally it was fine.
[15:10] <xteejx> dholbach: ^
[15:10] <dholbach> I have no idea
[15:10] <dholbach> xteejx: but maybe somebody else can - I need to sort out a few other things
[15:10] <xteejx> No probs Daniel
[15:11] <xteejx> Anyway, I checked the control file and everything seems fine there, may have just been a quirk
[15:12] <statik> hi! is there a standard way to rename a file in a debian/patches patch? If I use cdbs-edit-patch, then rename the file directly, the resulting patch I get shows a complete removal and add of a new file, which is way more noisy than I want
[15:39] <dholbach> final day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 22 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net (first up: "Writing Beautiful Code")
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> james_w, Heya. Hey one quick question. While doing 'bzr builddeb' i get an error 'bzr: ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:' on a patch I deleted. How to override or what i can be doing wrong?
[16:23] <geser> RoAkSoAx: did you tell bzr that the patch got removed? (bzr remove)
[16:24] <RoAkSoAx> geser, nope, but indeed that was the problem :) thanks  :)
[16:35] <highvoltage> hi, I'm reviewing zope.annotation (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zope.annotation) it says priority: extra
[16:35] <highvoltage> it should be 'optional', right?
[16:44] <randomaction> highvoltage: unless in conflicts with something or depends on "extra" package
[17:01]  * jdong unamusingly glares at VMWare
[17:01] <jdong> which just told me that a snapshot's size ranges anywhere from 768MB (RAM size) to 10.5GB (disk+RAM size)
[17:39] <tim> hi, i am trying to build a deb of gcc-4.4.3 for karmic. the folder created by apt-get source does't contain the source directly, but a tarball ... when trying to build the package, dpkg-source complains, that the binary file content changed ... any idea, what i am doing wrong?
[17:42] <daurnimator> hey all
[17:43] <daurnimator> so this probbaly isn't the correct channel
[17:43] <daurnimator> but I'm coding a daemon
[17:43] <fabrice_sp> tim, how are you trying to build it?
[17:43] <daurnimator> but I have no idea how to package/run/instlal/debainise it
[17:44] <tim> fabrice_sp, with git buildpackage
[17:44] <daurnimator> (eg, where to install, init.d scripts, how to make a pkg for it, etc)
[17:44] <fabrice_sp> !packaging | daurnimator
[17:44] <fabrice_sp> tim, if you have the source locally, you should use debuild -b
[17:45] <tim> fabrice_sp, i will give it a try
[17:58] <segler> hi, i am searchin' for advocates for my rhythmbox plugin, please help me. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/rhythmbox-radio-browser
[18:01] <fabrice_sp> segler, version should be -0ubuntu1
[18:02] <fabrice_sp> also, why do you need a dir file?
[18:03] <fabrice_sp> otherwise, looks good. I'll have a deeper look later
[18:12] <crimsun> Laney: which mixer element(s) do you need to unmute?
[19:09] <ari-tczew> how can I close a few bugs in debian/changelog?
[19:09] <ari-tczew> (LP: #bug, #bug2) ?
[19:10] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: If one change closes multipe bugs shouldn't they be marked as duplicates?
[19:11] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: if the bugs are related but not the same and are closed by the same fix I belive you can do as you said - (LP: #bug1, #bug2)
[19:11] <ari-tczew> like so, but I want to know
[19:12] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: if the bugs in question have exacly same problems I would mark one of them as duplicate and close only one
[19:12] <directhex> sebner, how close to done is longomatch? all its build-deps are transitioned, so sponsorship is running at full speed again
[19:13] <ari-tczew> quintasan, statistic mate ;)
[19:13] <sebner> directhex: hmm, I wanted to wait for new upstream version but if you give me some minutes it's ready for now too
[19:14] <directhex> sebner, well, it's RC you see... and stuff is being pulled into lucid by an eager seb128 too. we're almost done \o/
[19:15] <sebner> directhex: heh, ok. then give me some minutes. I'll make it ready then
[19:15] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, btw. would you like to take sponsor now?
[19:15] <directhex> sebner, it seems to work fine against db4o 7.4, thankfully
[19:16] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: uh sure, where I can get the diff?
[19:16] <sebner> directhex: haven't tested that yet. Yesterday db4o was still untransitioned so I didn't bother doing testing
[19:17] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, bug 255360
[19:17] <directhex> sebner, a sexy ftpmaster (i guess bddebian) has been clearing things though NEW, which was running reasonably quickly anyway
[19:17] <sebner> directhex: heh, yeah he's great :)
[19:22] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: well, builds fine, let me check debian/ then :P
[19:22] <ari-tczew> sure
[19:24] <sebner> directhex: I'll give it a testbuild now, I'll tell you when ready for sponsoring
[19:26] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: I like it, builds fine and I didn't find any problems :)
[19:27] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, cool, would you like take sponsor on other bugs?
[19:27] <ari-tczew> with debdiff now
[19:28] <Quintasan> well I have time so no problem
[19:28] <Quintasan> it would be good if someone else could review it too
[19:31] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, go ahead bug 514453
[19:33] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: this one is fine with me too
[19:33] <highvoltage> if anyone's around for reviewing some zope packages so that we can get schooltool back in ubuntu, there's just two left that needs reviewing:
[19:33] <highvoltage> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zope.server
[19:33] <highvoltage> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zope.size
[19:47] <kamalmostafa> ScottK: hi Scott -- reminder: we've been sitting on libtifiles/libticalcs for a couple weeks now.  :-)
[19:47] <ScottK> kamalmostafa: It's pretty near the top of my Ubuntu TODO at this point.
[19:49] <kamalmostafa> ScottK: sounds good.
[19:57] <_stink_> anyone know of a way to have dpkg (or some other debian packaging magic thing) (1) check whether a .deb's dependencies are already installed, and (2) return an error to the shell if not?
[19:57] <_stink_> --no-act doesn't seem to care about whether depends are installed.
[20:04] <hakaishi> Hi everyone! Anyone up to advocate/review qt-shutdown-p? - I corrected the desktop file, the copyright file and the docs file as jcfp asked. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qt-shutdown-p
[20:05] <ScottK> hakaishi: I know you've been asking a long time.  You might consider asking the Debian qt-kde team if they are interested and if they are, get it into Ubuntu via Debian.  See #debian-qt-kde on OFTC.
[20:06] <geser> _stink_: you could use "gdebi --quiet --aptline $package.deb" and check if it lists something or not
[20:08] <_stink_> geser: omg.  that is awesome.
[20:08] <_stink_> i owe you a beverage should we cross paths.
[20:09] <Quintasan> hakaishi: it's good, I think if you go to Debian they should be fine with it
[20:09] <_stink_> crap, i didn't even know about gdebi.
[20:10] <hakaishi> ScottK: I thought, I get advocations only if there are no issues with the package. And since there no longer are, I thought I'll ask for it now^^
[20:10] <ScottK> hakaishi: I haven't been following the details of your package, I've just been noticing you've been asking for a while.
[20:12] <hakaishi> ScottK: Everything should be okay with the new upload. The others weren't okay because of copyright and the rules file or such
[20:12] <Quintasan> hakaishi: AFAIK it would be better to get it to debian, if you want to change it just get a newer version to Debian and request a sync, both projects will gain something :)
[20:14] <hakaishi> On which server does #debian-qt-kde run? - I mean the exact address
[20:14] <Quintasan> hakaishi: irc.oftc.net I belive
[20:15] <hakaishi> okay, thanks
[20:17] <hakaishi> Is there a website for debian-qt-kde like revu.ubuntuwire.com?
[20:18] <Quintasan> hakaishi: hmm I think you can upload to mentors.debian.org
[20:24] <hakaishi> Thank you, maybe I will try to get it into debian, maybe not. I'll see tomorrow. Bye bye
[20:34] <wind-rider> hi
[20:35] <geser> Hi
[20:35] <wind-rider> on my kubuntu lucid installation the package soprano-daemon is installed
[20:36] <wind-rider> it is made dependent on virtuoso-server today / yesterday to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/505653
[20:37] <wind-rider> kpackagekit shows that soprano-daemon is dependent on it, but still virtuoso-server is not installed automatically
[20:37] <wind-rider> is that a bug?
[20:38] <geser> Depends or Recommends like the changelog says?
[20:39] <geser> Recommends: virtuoso-server (>= 5.0.12-0ubuntu3), ...
[20:39] <wind-rider> geser: oh, then that's the problem
[20:39] <wind-rider> geser: but that's wrong
[20:40] <ScottK> wind-rider: Probably better to ask in #kubuntu-devel.
[20:40] <wind-rider> ScottK: ok, I'll do that
[20:40] <wind-rider> virtuoso should be installed by default and not as an option
[20:40] <geser> usually Recommends are auto-installed like Depends
[20:41] <geser> but I don't know how kpackagekit behaves at it
[20:42] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp: ping
[20:51] <sebner> directhex: ready for sponsoring :)
[21:03] <wind-rider> geser: thx, i discussed it at #kubuntu-devel
[21:04] <wind-rider> and added a comment to the bug report
[21:12] <MohammadRRR> Hi , How Gnome-do can shutdown without requesting passwird
[21:12] <MohammadRRR> *password
[21:14] <directhex> sebner, ta, i'll take a peek & upload once dinner is eaten
[21:15] <sebner> directhex: great, thx. Just ask if you have any questions
[21:20] <randomaction> fabrice_sp: could you check if zshdb builds for you? It FTBFS on buildd but builds fine in pbuilder. (bug 514359)
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> randomaction, sure
[21:21] <randomaction> maybe it only manifests in sbuild
[21:22] <ScottL_> would someone mind looking at zynjacku package in REVU ( http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zynjacku ) ?
[21:23] <fabrice_sp> randomaction, I also installed some 'checking' packages (don't remember the name), that are responsable of some FTBFS in hte buildd
[21:23] <fabrice_sp> so let see what happens
[21:24] <fabrice_sp> ScottK, you should update the Maintainer field
[21:24] <randomaction> wrong nickname
[21:26] <fabrice_sp_> ScottL, also some comments in copyright (# Please also look if there are files or directories which have a
[21:26] <fabrice_sp_> # different copyright/license attached and list them here.
[21:26] <fabrice_sp_> )
[21:26] <fabrice_sp_> argh. got idsconnected
[21:27] <directhex> sebner, seems to build fine
[21:27] <sebner> directhex: sure, I (at least) fiXX0red the build :P
[21:27] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, FTBFS
[21:28] <directhex> sebner, well, gotta check these things!
[21:28] <fabrice_sp_> FAIL: test-tbreak
[21:28] <dupondje> who can accept packages that are in queue ? :)
[21:28] <fabrice_sp_> dupondje, do you mean NEW?
[21:28] <directhex> source format 3.0? sod it, i'll upload anyway
[21:28] <dupondje> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue here ...
[21:28] <ScottL_> fabrice_sp_:  you said that ScottK should update the Maintainer field...did you mean ScottL (me) ?
[21:29] <fabrice_sp_> yes. Sorry
[21:29] <fabrice_sp_> your nicks are very close :-)
[21:29] <fabrice_sp_> dupondje, archive admins
[21:29] <ScottL_> yeah, it's been problematic sometimes
[21:30] <fabrice_sp_> :-D
[21:30] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: ok, so reproducible in sbuild
[21:30] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: thank you
[21:31] <fabrice_sp_> ScottL, you should also reviewyour copyright: you have sources with LGPL and different people
[21:31] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, yw ;-) Do you want me to do more tests?
[21:34] <sebner> directhex: Yeah, I asked you 3 weeks ago (if you remember) and you didn't say to have a problem with it, else I just have to find someone else
[21:36] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, did you check rdepends for liblo?
[21:38] <fabrice_sp_> (just to see if we have a transition to do for the 26 rdepends)
[21:38] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp_: I think tht nobody have time for testing all rdepends
[21:39] <fabrice_sp_> ari-tczew, so you prefer to have 26 packages that FTBFS?!
[21:40] <ari-tczew> ahh, you mean check building?
[21:40] <fabrice_sp_> yes. and test some of them.
[21:40] <Quintasan> fabrice_sp_: urgh my fault, I only checked libol to build in lucid
[21:40] <fabrice_sp_> this is a huge change (from liblo0 to liblo7), so I expect some ABI changes
[21:40] <ScottL_> fabrice_sp_:  thank you for looking at zynjacku in REVU, i'm at work so I'll look at the maintainer field and copyright at home tonight :)
[21:41] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, no problem ;-)
[21:41] <fabrice_sp_> ScottL, I'm putting my comments in revu (discovered more stuff :-) )
[21:41] <ScottL_> oh, excellent, thanks again :)
[21:42] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, ari-tczew This is only that if there is a transition to do, it's easy to create a bug report and request some help (26 packages is not that huge). Just my 2 cents
[21:42] <fabrice_sp_> ScottL, yw ;-)
[21:42] <ScottL_> the whole REVU process is teaching me gobs of stuff :)
[21:43] <fabrice_sp_> :-D
[21:44] <fabrice_sp_> last time (less that one moth ago) I requested a package review I discovered a lot of thing I forget to check in my own package;-)
[21:44] <Quintasan> fabrice_sp_: I wonder if I can somehow list all rdepends without searching on packages.ubuntu.org
[21:44] <fabrice_sp_> apt-cache rdepends liblo0 ?
[21:45] <directhex> sebner, you've closed yourself off from backports.org tho
[21:45] <Quintasan> liblo0
[21:45] <Quintasan> :/
[21:45] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, it's not liblo0?
[21:45] <Quintasan> I belive no, hmm'
[21:45]  * fabrice_sp_ is beginning to be tierd :-D
[21:45] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp_: now please just tell me, do we need check only FBTFS or FTBFS + general work all rdepends?
[21:46] <sebner> directhex: that's calculated because 1) there is not really a reason for backporting any app I maintain 2) git revert. no problem at all
[21:46] <Quintasan> fabrice_sp_: it would be liblo0ldbl rather
[21:46] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, right
[21:46] <fabrice_sp_> ari-tczew, I would build and test some of them
[21:47] <Quintasan> fabrice_sp_: and I'm supposed to grab sources of those from debian and thest them against lucid pbuilder as well?
[21:47] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, I would build the lucid actual source
[21:47] <fabrice_sp_> anyway, because the lib name change, we have to rebuild all of them
[21:48] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: I guess I'll just give a hint to DM of zshdb and leave it to the interested parties :)
[21:48] <fabrice_sp_> as the lib is in Experimental, I expect some problems
[21:48] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, :-D
[21:48] <Quintasan> so I need to setup a custom pool for pbuilder?
[21:48] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, when test fails, it's generally hard
[21:49] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, or use a chroot for that, and manually install liblo or use a ppa :-)
[21:49] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: it fails because the script which contains the test cannot be found
[21:50] <fabrice_sp_> Quintasan, I've done that with a ppa before
[21:50] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, oh. perhaps the script is not installed?
[21:50] <Quintasan> oh well, night it long so I might build them all as well
[21:50] <Quintasan> :P
[21:50] <Quintasan> is*
[21:51] <fabrice_sp_> lol
[21:51] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, regards!
[21:51] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: maybe, but in this case it must be a really weird situation, as everything runs fine in pbuilder
[21:51] <fabrice_sp_> I tried that with maven, some time ago, and uploaded more than 40 packages! :-)
[21:52] <ari-tczew> btw. please mate upload pyalsaaudio :>
[21:52] <Quintasan> ari-tczew: you're going to build some too, aren't you? :>
[21:52] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, right. I may check my build log
[21:52] <ari-tczew> fabrice_sp_: I remember maven action :>
[21:52] <fabrice_sp_> :-D
[21:53] <fabrice_sp_> dooooomi, about bug your comment in bug 514491
[21:54] <ari-tczew> Quintasan, no tonight :( ... tomorrow I'm going on celebrations about my city Tczew (750 years)
[21:54] <fabrice_sp_> dooooomi, the problem is that old lib becomes NBS, and that we should get rid of it as soon as the new one is uploaded
[21:55] <fabrice_sp_> that's where transitions comes from
[21:56] <ari-tczew> so if I right understand, sponsors have to upload debdiffs in versions e.g. 1build1 for rdepends?
[21:57] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, in which step does the script processor.sh built in pbuilder?
[21:57] <fabrice_sp_> ari-tczew, yes
[21:57] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, I can't find any reference to it in my log
[21:58] <randomaction> it gets installed late in the process, no evidence of running
[21:59] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/365429/
[22:01] <fabrice_sp_> very strange
[22:01] <randomaction> probably tests run it and expect it to be there
[22:01] <randomaction> they are silent it all is ok
[22:01] <randomaction> s/it all/if all/
[22:02] <dooooomi> fabrice_sp_: ok. anyway, the point is that most likely all rdepends can be rebuilt using the new version of the library with no problems. though i'm not quite sure what exactly would need to be done to achieve that
[22:02] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, but in your case, the tests are ok, so it seems it can actually  find it
[22:02] <randomaction> yep
[22:03] <fabrice_sp_> dooooomi, upload a new revision for each rdepends (as build1 if the package comes from Debian)
[22:03] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, weird
[22:03] <fabrice_sp_> :-D
[22:03] <fabrice_sp_> can you enter in your pbuilder (with login), and actually build the package? I'm getting curious when this file comes from :-D
[22:05] <fabrice_sp_> dooooomi, anyway: this is good news that actually we won't have any FTBFS because of that ;-)
[22:07] <dooooomi> fabrice_sp_: i'm at least 99.9% sure about that ;)
[22:07] <fabrice_sp__> grrrr: got disconnected again :-/
[22:07] <fabrice_sp__> dooooomi, cool! :-) That will be an easy transition the n;-)
[22:08] <randomaction> fabrice_sp__: you grew an additional underscore :)
[22:08] <fabrice_sp__> lol
[22:09] <fabrice_sp__> I only can have 2 ;-)
[22:12] <fabrice_sp_> randomaction, in a new chroot, the package builds fine
[22:15] <fabrice_sp_> it may be because of .sh not being directly runnable
[22:15] <fabrice_sp_> have to go now. Will check tomorrow. Bye
[22:16] <randomaction> fabrice_sp_: bye
[22:53] <Quintasan> randomaction: got a second?
[22:53] <randomaction> Quintasan: yes
[22:54] <Quintasan> randomaction: well, I want to sponsor ari-tczew package, I grab the debdiff from him, apply and testbuild and if everything is allight I can upload?
[22:54] <Quintasan> allright even.
[22:54] <randomaction> yes. If you use debuild, signing is done with -kKEYID
[22:55] <Quintasan> randomaction: hmm I wonder now because the changelog will mention his name, won't debuild look for his key?
[22:55] <randomaction> so you use -k with your keyid
[22:56] <randomaction> and it uses it to sign
[22:56] <crimsun> cat ~/.devscripts
[22:56] <crimsun> DEBSIGN_KEYID=foo
[22:57] <randomaction> crimsun: thanks, that's handy :)
[23:00] <Quintasan> randomaction, crimsun: thanks
[23:04] <ari-tczew> what about latest MOTU Council Meeting?
[23:04] <ari-tczew> who has been joined to MOTU?
[23:05] <randomaction> ari-tczew: no quorum: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/28/%23ubuntu-meeting.html