[01:20] <WorkingOnWise> snadge: that is such a useless answer. first of all youre going to get the obligatory "if you don't want to help, shhhhh!"... second. maybe someone will inform you that for such a minor problem, and for the fact that it will likely not happen for a long time, that rather that burn the 45 minutes for for a 45 second solution, I'd ask where there is a pool of knowledge to draw from. Btw, I have used Ubuntu, beta and stable
[01:23] <snadge> ok fine.. if you look in /boot/grub/menu.lst you'll see an example for a windows entry.. copy that to the relevent section and uncomment it, edit it to point to the right device/partition.. then reboot
[01:24] <LjL> does anybody get quite a few "Warning" from rkhunter on most /bin and /sbin files involved with 1) listing files 2) kernel modules?
[01:25] <nunofgs> Vorbote: I did. I found the thread on the forums that mentioned it. In fact, I just finished uninstalling vmware-server and re-installing, with the any-any-113 update. The module compiles perfectly, vmware-server starts perfectly, but when I try to start a machine, it gives an error that /dev/vmmon doesn't exist (it's there, btw)
[01:26] <Vorbote> nunofgs: hmmm... That sounds like a permissions problem, udev acting up probably. A reboot may help in that case.
[01:26] <nunofgs> Vorbote: hmm, will try. I just chmod'ed vmmon 777 with no change
[01:26] <freezerburn_> I don't seem to have "System>Preferences>Themes" The themes button is missing, anyone know how to get it back in gutsy?
[01:26] <nunofgs> going to reboot
[01:27] <_dan_> freezerburn screenshot
[01:28] <snoip> ikonia... what was the nvidia white / no borders commands?  I had a reboot, didn't save them first...
[01:28] <nunofgs> Vorbote: during the compilation of vmmon, gcc spewed out a few warnings about uninitialized pointers. Do u think maybe something's wrong with the patch?
[01:28] <savvas> freezerburn_: it's appearance now
[01:28] <peol> Hey. Has anyone else experienced weird behaviours (hickups, video playback locks GUI etc) since yesterdays (kernel - and correct me if I'm wrong, alsa) update?
[01:29] <savvas> freezerburn_:  I mean it's under "Appearance"
[01:29] <Vorbote> nunofgs: don't worry about those errors. They are harmless as far as my experience goes.
[01:30] <beerfan> I'm seeing dhcdbd message in my logs about /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 not found. What the heck is that?
[01:31] <WorkingOnWise> snadge: thanks. I have never had a problem with grub, so I never needed to learn about it. Looks fairly straightforward. Gonna reboot now, get windows to fix its partition, then get back into a real OS, and run xp as a virtual machine. I don't figure it deserves a real processor to beat down!
[01:42] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason we don't have APT using torrents or some other form of P2P instead of/in addition to old-fashioned HTTP?
[01:42] <wabiD> is there a way to have my taskbar sort wondiws
[01:43] <ConstyXIV> wabiD: what do you mean by sort?
[01:44] <wabiD> so if i open firefox, then gimp, then a new firefox
[01:44] <wabiD> the second appears next to the first
[01:44] <wabiD> not at the end
[01:50] <ConstyXIV> does anyone else have a splash screen in gnome
[01:50] <ConstyXIV> ?
[01:51] <ConstyXIV> or more accurately, did anyone else not have it and fixed it?
[01:52] <freezerburn_> savvas: thanks!
[01:59] <ConstyXIV> does compiz "just work" in kubuntu gutsy?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> ConstyXIV: no kubuntu will not have compiz enabled by default they are waiting for new kwin in kde4
[02:06] <asomething> Hey all, I'm having a screen resolution issue in gutsy. I'd been using the ati restricted driver with no problem  until logging in today. Now my resolution is stuck at 640x480 with no way to change it in the new screens and graphics gui. Any ideas?
[02:09] <crimsun> asomething: /var/log/Xorg.0.log may have some leads
[02:11] <thompa> i installed this time round with no migration assistant and grub installed
[02:12] <thompa> there was no other way to have a dual xp boot on this vaio , installer would stop with target partitions on desktop
[02:14] <kyja> what startup file should I put modprobe p4_clockmod
[02:14] <crimsun> kyja: /etc/modules
[02:14] <kyja> ok thx
[02:16] <kyja> I dont seem to have that path ! omg
[02:19] <kyja> oh hay !! I found /etc/default/cpufreqd
[02:19] <kyja> I see a line asking for a module name
[02:25] <mon^rch> just wanted to say to all pertinent ppl. nice job on gutsy. great OS!
[02:25] <mohamed_> hello all , after i upgrade from feisty to gutsy i face alot of troubles with my ATI vga card, can anyone help me which driver can work well, i don't need 3D ?
[02:26] <mon^rch> vesa driver works nice
[02:26] <wabiD> you should still get better results from the ati driver if you get it set up nice
[02:26] <wabiD> vesa wont do anything widescreen
[02:26] <mon^rch> oh? hmmm. ty fyi
[02:27] <mohamed_> what is fyi ?
[02:27] <mon^rch> for your information
[02:27] <mon^rch> ;)
[02:27] <mohamed_> :)
[02:27] <mohamed_> thx, i will try vesa and see what will happen
[02:29] <jdrake> Does anyone know how to assign the volume keys a different volume control to control? Currently it controls 'front', when I want to use 'pcm' or 'surround'.
[02:29] <mon^rch> good luck... I screwed my kb trying to map keys :P
[02:30] <crimsun> jdrake: assign the desired mixer elements by using System> Preferences> Sound
[02:31] <jdrake> OH that is great, thanks.
[02:31] <jdrake> Glad I don't have to do any alsa configuring
[02:32] <kyja> ok darn, how can I get cpu scailing to work at startup !!.
[02:32] <kyja> right now I have to do sudo p4_clockmod
[02:33] <jdrake>  kyja, I would enjoy being able to do that by a applet.
[02:33] <kyja> and put a new applet in the menubar because the one it starts up with does not build a switching list
[02:33] <xubean> hey guys, i updated my machine to gutsy beta, and when it restarted, it doesn't start the gdm. i can only see the command prompt. Any help?
[02:33] <_dan_> apt-get install gdm
[02:33] <xubean> but shouldn't that be already installed?
[02:33] <jdrake> xubean: Is 'gdm' in /etc/init.d?
[02:33] <xubean> don't know...
[02:33] <dn> do `etc/init.d/gdm restart` if it is
[02:34] <jdrake> Well, look.
[02:34] <kyja> gdm? is that for me?
[02:34] <xubean> hehe! sorry.. i am in command mode, and i don't know a lot of commands, so i don't really know how to look...
[02:34] <dn> no kyja, xubean
[02:34] <xubean> well... i'll try anyways..
[02:34] <kyja> ah lol k sorry
[02:34] <_dan_> xubean should be, on the other hand gdm should come up right? :O
[02:34] <dn> you probably shouldn't have installed the beta then :p
[02:34] <_dan_> xubean ls /etc/init.d/gdm
[02:35] <_dan_> and that what dn said :P
[02:35] <xubean> ok, restarting the machine, hold up...
[02:35] <kyja> oh but it helps me :)
[02:36] <kyja> I can add modprobe in a file in init.d
[02:36] <jdrake> I installed the beta because this is a new machine that needs newer kernel.
[02:36] <xubean> _dan_ when i type ls /etc/init.d/gdm it lists the same thing in a green font...
[02:36] <_dan_> xubean try as root or with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:36] <dn> sudo etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:36] <_dan_> dn too slow :P
[02:36] <dn> doh
[02:36] <dn> :p
[02:37] <xubean> ok, hold up, right now i tried doing the installing of gdm, may be that was what it was...
[02:37] <xubean> almost done...
[02:38] <heartsblood> how do I change my TTy console font back to what it was in feisty?  The gutsy upgrade made it look really blocky and kinda hard to read
[02:38] <xubean> cool! done my gdm started...
[02:39] <heartsblood> change that, very hard to read
[02:39] <WorkingOnWise> snadge: thanks for the help. after windows fixed the drive, I'm back in Ubuntu. Gonna install play with the desktop effects tonight!
[02:39] <alecwh> I'm loving Gusty 7.10, but I can't enable desktop effects. Can someone help me get them working? I get the error "Desktop effects could not be enabled".
[02:40] <xubean> weird, my machine didn't really get updated!!!
[02:40] <dn> what graphics card alecwh ?
[02:40] <_dan_> xubean in that caste apt-get dist-upgrade is your friend
[02:40] <alecwh> I don't know, dn. I have a Dell Latitude D630. I can find a link if you need.
[02:40] <alecwh> dn: I think maybe integrated graphics.
[02:40] <_dan_> alecwh lspci|grep VGA
[02:41] <dn> that might be a problem
[02:41] <alecwh> dn: 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[02:41] <dn> although i thought you could still use them barebones
[02:41] <_dan_> intel should be capable of aiglx no?
[02:41] <dn> the ubuntu forums have guides on getting compiz working with intel integrated cards i think
[02:41] <alecwh> dn: I've used compiz fusion with Fiesty on this laptop, and it was pretty good.
[02:41] <xubean> _dan_ i did that and it had some problems with kzdata... and then i looked up in forums and somewhere i found out i had to change the timezone and stuff, and i changed it and it seemed to work, but hten i lost my gdm, and i had to do sudo apt-get install gdm
[02:41] <alecwh> dn: Are the guides for gusty?
[02:42] <dn> have you had a look at Restricted Drivers in Administration?
[02:42] <_dan_> xubean apt-get dist-upgrade in console gogo
[02:42] <dn> you'll probably just need to get some better drivers
[02:42] <alecwh> dn: Yes, I only have the wireless card to enabled.
[02:42] <alecwh> be*
[02:42] <xubean> ok, i'll do it again,
[02:42] <dn> is there an option for your card alecwh ?
[02:42] <alecwh> dn: no
[02:42] <_dan_> arent intel opensource driver?
[02:42] <jdrake> Are there any good whiteboard applications available?
[02:43] <alecwh> dn: any ideas?
[02:43] <_dan_> alecwh u may have a chace asking in #compiz-fusion, those guys will help u get compiz to work, if your gfx card is capable
[02:43] <kyja> /etc/init.d/Ascailer    trying that.
[02:43] <alecwh> ok, thanks _dan_.
[02:43] <xubean> _dan_ it says after unpacking about 494MB will be installed, but like i said, i've already been through this... but lets see what happens this time... thanks for the help
[02:43] <_dan_> xubean do it
[02:43] <_dan_> it may broke in the middle
[02:43] <_dan_> and u got a half upgraded system
[02:45] <xubean> _dan_ i am doing it... its installing right now...
[02:47] <alecwh> I have a dell latitude d630, and I think I need to upgrade my drivers to get compiz-fusion to work. Can someone help me upgrade my driver?
[02:49] <DanielTF> guesty is really messed up rite
[02:49] <DanielTF> i have endless updates
[02:49] <DanielTF> i download 200 updates everyday
[02:49] <DanielTF> and then i found out they are the same
[02:49] <IndyGunFreak> DanielTF: you have endless updates, cuz its constantly being updated.
[02:49] <IndyGunFreak> i probaly have about 100 or so every morning
[02:50] <DanielTF> it displays an error message when i install those updates
[02:50] <DanielTF> i just download 100 updates
[02:50] <IndyGunFreak> hmm, i've had no pros.
[02:50] <DanielTF> and another 248 now
[02:50] <IndyGunFreak> when i first installed, i had about 30min worth of updating.
[02:50] <DanielTF> and also when i use compiz i dont have borders
[02:51] <alecwh> Hello, I just upgraded to Ubuntu Fiesty, with my Dell Latitude D630. I'm having trouble getting desktop effects to work. When I press enable, it says "Desktop effects could not be enabled".
[02:52] <DanielTF> When compiz is not i dont have window decorations, can someone please help =(
[02:52] <gnomefreak> alecwh: you upgraded to feisty?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> alecwh: feisty support is in #ubuntu
[02:53] <nemesis> i just fresh installed gusty and i need to add a hard drive into /etc/fstab. how do i do that?
[02:53] <gnomefreak> alecwh: you need to install the 3d drivers for your video card and not all cards are able to use desktop-effects (in gutsy)
[02:53] <alecwh> gnomefreak, sorry, I mean gusty.
[02:54] <gnomefreak> alecwh: what card?
[02:54] <alecwh> gnomefreak: I have integrated graphics, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[02:54] <kyja> ok I have got spu scailing working on startup and can be adjusted with applet
[02:54] <kyja> cpu
[02:54] <gnomefreak> alecwh: the 965 will not beable to use compiz
[02:54] <kyja> someone need advice?
[02:54] <alecwh> gnomefreak: Ever?
[02:54] <gnomefreak> alecwh: for gutsy
[02:54] <alecwh> gnomefreak: I used it perfectly in fiesty!
[02:55] <gnomefreak> alecwh: it doesnt have things it needs (cant remember what)
[02:55] <gnomefreak> alecwh: yes i know but its not the same compiz either
[02:55] <alecwh> gnomefreak: So what are my options? Can I custom install compiz-fusion or beryl?
[02:56] <gnomefreak> alecwh: no not really. check with people in #compiz to see if they have a way but you will not beable to use ubuntus
[02:56] <alecwh> gnomefreak: lame. :(
[02:56] <gnomefreak> alecwh: i dont remember the exact reason but the driver lacks something needed
[02:56] <alecwh> ok.
[02:56] <gnomefreak> alecwh: tell intel not us since its their driver thats missing whatever it was that was needed
[02:57] <snoip> I'm back... life is good once again.
[02:58] <snoip> good for me, i mean!
[02:58] <nemesis> i just fresh installed gusty and i need to add a hard drive into /etc/fstab. how do i do that?
[02:58] <snoip> thanks for the assists.
[02:58] <DanielTF> how do i auto mount a partition on start up
[02:59] <kyja> jdrake, would you like help. I can tell you how to get scailing to start on startup and be able to adjust with applet
[03:03] <jdrake> kyja: Would be helpful :p
[03:05] <kyja> ok :)
[03:06] <snoip> quiet all of a sudden...
[03:06] <kyja> jdrake, create a file in /etc/init.d I named mine cpufreq.sh
[03:07] <kyja> jdrake, lines inside... 3 lines #!/bin/sh
[03:07] <kyja> jdrake, modprobe p4_clockmod
[03:07] <jdrake> Does p4_clockmod work with core2duo?
[03:07] <kyja> jdrake, /usr/bin/cpufreq-selector -g conservative
[03:08] <kyja> I am not sure about core2duo I have p4 hyper threading
[03:08] <ppj> a new AWN was just released
[03:08] <kyja> shows up as two cpu;s
[03:08] <ppj> if you guys are into it
[03:09] <prakriti> I am having cpu-scaling issues in gutsy, I had the same problem in feisty and disabled the kernel modules.
[03:09] <prakriti> Is that what I should do here or is there a possible fix?
[03:09] <kyja> jdrake,  do this in termonal cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[03:09] <jdrake> 2000000 1600000 1333000 1067000 800000
[03:10] <kyja> then it probly will work
[03:10] <prakriti> Mine is capped at 700mhz :(
[03:10] <prakriti><PHONE_NUMBER>00
[03:10] <kyja> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[03:10] <jboyd> anybody else have a problem where nm-applet won't connect to networks? i had to use dhclient for wireless
[03:10] <jdrake> userspace powersave ondemand conservative performance
[03:10] <kyja> that will tell you the governers. you might not like conservitive as a default
[03:10] <kyja> in that file
[03:10] <kyja> make sure the file is executable
[03:11] <kyja> then there is one more thing to do
[03:12] <jboyd> also, the latest kernel doesn't boot my machine, says it' can't mount root, but 2.6.20-16-generic works fine, 2.6.22-13 fails
[03:12] <nikin> hy
[03:12] <nikin> i just upgraded to gutsy
[03:12] <nikin> and after the upgrades my drives will not mount
[03:12] <nikin> only /
[03:13] <jboyd> nikin,  same issue on 2.6.22-13 and -12
[03:13] <kyja> add your applet and do in the terminal sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets  and answer yes so you allow access to applet to adjust things
[03:14] <jdrake> kyja: 'CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor'?
[03:14] <kyja> now you type in the terminal sudo modprobe p4_clockmod then p4_clockmod and restart
[03:15] <kyja> yes the little applet for the menubar
[03:15] <jdrake> FATAL: Error inserting p4_clockmod (/lib/modules/2.6.22-13-generic/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko): Device or resource busy
[03:15] <kyja> sudo
[03:15] <jdrake> It is sudo
[03:15] <kyja> ooh busy
[03:15] <kyja> perhaps you have it running now
[03:16] <kyja> you add the applet what does it say?
[03:16] <kyja> should not tell you its unsuported
[03:16] <jdrake> I reconfigured the applet, and it works with menu
[03:16] <kyja> awsome :)
[03:17] <jboyd> any ideas why 2.6.22-13 won't mount / ?
[03:17] <jboyd> but 2.6.20 will
[03:17] <jdrake> One other problem I notice in my install is a lot of System menus are missing, like synaptic.
[03:17] <jdrake> 'admin' menus rather
[03:18] <nikin> jboyd: my one mounts /, just nothiung else
[03:18] <jboyd> nikin, yeah, i don't get / mounted ... what fs are you using?
[03:18] <jboyd> nikin,  i'm using ext3
[03:20] <nikin> jboyd: ext3 to
[03:20] <nikin> and if i try to manualy mount /dev/sda5 for instance.. it tels me that it is mounted
[03:20] <kyja> oh oops I put that file in /etc/acpi/start.d
[03:21] <jboyd> nikin, yeah i don't even get that far.
[03:22] <jboyd> fuckin kernel panics
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[03:23] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:25] <bazhang> ugh--latest update borked konqueror
[03:26] <snadge> you mean theres a non borked versino of konqueror?
[03:26] <bazhang> haha
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> lol
[03:28] <bazhang> won't quit either--what's the terminal command to kill an app?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: killall <appname>
[03:29] <hydrogen> bazhang: also... ctrl+alt+escape in kde gives you a nice skull & crossbones to foribly kill an app
[03:31] <jboyd> sweet.
[03:31] <jboyd> got 2.6.22-13 to work without panicing
[03:31] <bazhang> hydrogen: thanks,
[03:31] <jboyd> sudo grub-rebuild
[03:31] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: thanks
[03:32] <jboyd> err
[03:32] <jboyd> dpkg --configure -a
[03:32] <jboyd> then
[03:32] <jboyd> sudo update-grub
[03:32] <jboyd> reboot and it works
[03:33] <bazhang> adept-notifier also won't die--hangs out in top right corner of screen and if you maximize it, then it shrouds the screen in black--will not be killall'd either.
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: yup tell me about it
[03:35] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: konqueror no totally unresponsive--better alternatives than firecrash?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: icefreezer?
[03:36] <bazhang> er firefox
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:36] <bazhang> haha
[03:36] <kevinO> anyone get the 360 controller to work in gutsy yet?
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: firefox works well for me..
[03:39] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: it just seems a bit on the bloaty side compared to konqueror..
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: use dillo then ;)
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> or kazehackse
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> or however that is spelled
[03:40] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: hahahaha
[03:42] <bazhang> konqueror is toast...sad face...
[03:42] <bazhang> time to install firefox
[03:43] <xubean> hey is dan still here? if not, while upgrading to gutsy beta i get this error: "Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/compiz-plugins_1%3a0.6.0+git20071004-0ubuntu2_i386.deb"
[03:43] <xubean> "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:43] <prakriti> anybody have an issue where cpu scaling on core2duo's caps your proc to 700mhz?
[03:43] <xubean> anybody have any idea about the error?
[03:44] <bazhang> what is ubufox? new package it seems.hmmm
[03:44] <bazhang> ubufox - modifications for ubuntu firefox (default) install
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> prakriti: oh thats useful ;)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: yeah...automatic codec installer and such I think
[03:45] <jboyd> hmm
[03:45] <jboyd> i don't even see ubofox in my apt-cache search resulots
[03:45] <prakriti> it sucks... :(
[03:45] <prakriti> I can disable the kernel modules on boot and it will run full speed.
[03:45] <jboyd> ah it's already installed.
[03:46] <bazhang> ugh ubufox instalsl ms-ooxml-interoperability-plugin
[03:46] <bazhang> just kidding
[03:46] <bazhang> installs even
[03:47] <tinin> Hi, how is kubuntu gutsy going? Has it still big bugs?
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> tinin: some...
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> tinin: not really bad
[03:47] <tinin> like?
[03:47] <tinin> please, I'm interested
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> tinin: bazhangs konqueror has just gone AWOL
[03:48] <VousDeux> that's not an easy question to answer...it really depends a lot on the hardware
[03:49] <tinin> I need a newer kernel to play with the wifi usb stick
[03:49] <|neon|> tinin: i'm using kubuntu gutsy with the latest updates on MY QUAD CORE EVERY DAY USE WITH  O REAL ISSUES
[03:49] <jboyd> my nm-applet is broken =\
[03:49] <tinin> so I'm awaiting
[03:49] <kyja> it has big bugs and I can not lie
[03:50] <kyja> hehe that would me jammin tune
[03:50] <Aishiko> I agree a couple big issues which I'm hoping will be taken care of in the next 11 days
[03:50] <tinin> Aishiko what "big issues"
[03:51] <Aishiko> tinin: I get a show stopper on a regular baisis everyother weekend
[03:51] <tinin> I need a stable system
[03:51] <Dr_willis> then you dont want to mess with beta software
[03:51] <|neon|> compiz acts funny sometimes abd k9copy acts up if i'm runnning vmware at the same time besides that my systems is pretty rock solid
[03:52] <Aishiko> tinin: if it's a beta by defienation it's unstable
[03:52] <Aishiko> tinin: wait 11 days and then upgrade.
[03:52] <Dr_willis> wait for Ubuntu Gutsy Service Pack 1 :()
[03:52] <Vorbote> Aishiko: if you want a stable system you should use a stable distribution (such as a "gold" release or an enterprise distro such as an Ubuntu LTS, Novell Server or RHEL...)
[03:52] <kyja> service pack lmao
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> Dr_willis: when is that? two days later?
[03:53] <Vorbote> That's what we get every six months. The Ubuntu service pack.
[03:54] <tinin> And so what about compiz for kubuntu users? I'm beeing jealous of gnome users
[03:54] <kyja> ah yes psyco animal names
[03:54] <Dr_willis> tinin,  thats very much a work in progress
[03:54] <kyja> I love ubuntu
[03:54] <Aishiko> Vorbote: was I complaining no I was stating a fact gees look at my response to tinin.  gees listen don't lecture to those that are giving advice similar to yours to others.
[03:54] <Dr_willis> tinin,  i got it working.. but it has issues. :)
[03:54] <Dr_willis> compiz under gnome has issues as well.
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> tinin: works very well here, not automatic, but just one command :)
[03:54] <|neon|> tinin: compiz is running 999% fine for me with all the bell and whistles
[03:54] <|neon|> 99%
[03:54] <|neon|> on kubuntu
[03:55] <tinin> and no errros with the taskbar or the pager?
[03:55] <bazhang> huh? installed firefox and no icon--need to launch it from the console?
[03:55] <|neon|> avant windows navigator crashes every now and then , none for me
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: hummm odd.
[03:55] <tinin> *errors
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> tinin: not that I have found
[03:56] <tinin> I guess I'll try to upgrade these days
[03:56] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: very smooth though (when launched from Konsole..haha).
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> haha
[03:57] <|neon|> i am using the restrictes drivers for my 8800 gts and so far is great even after upgrading kernels
[03:57] <bazhang> yay!
[03:58] <|neon|> i ran the new suse 10.3 on a virtual machine its ook but i will stick to kubuntu
[03:58] <|neon|> the only thing i would like to do is to get dmraid working other than that i'm happy
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: its not burning/freezing is it?
[04:00] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: not so far--give me a few, I'll make it happen..haha
[04:00] <dn> how do you check the version of an installed software thorugh apt-get?
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> dn: apt-cache policy <package)
[04:00] <Vorbote> dn: apt-cache policy <package>
[04:01] <Vorbote> dn: or apt-cache show <package> for full information.
[04:20] <jcsmith> hi everyone, i recently upgraded to the gutsey beta, since doing so, udevd is eating up approximately 50% of my cpu time, a dmesg shows the following lines to be repeated at a very rapid rate: [  551.304000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[04:20] <jcsmith> [  551.320000]  device-mapper: table: 254:1: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[04:20] <jcsmith> any ideas?
[04:23] <spasticteapot> I think I've disabled my wireless card. I'm not exactly sure how, or how I might go about reenabling it.
[04:26] <naught101> anyone been getting xine errors?
[04:26] <naught101>   Major opcode of failed request:  141 (XVideo), etc?
[04:29] <kyja> cpu scailing definatlly has made gutsy more stable. laptop does not over clock and power off on me with those power hungry apps.  I limited it from 3,4ghz down to 2.55 and it was a trooper
[04:30] <naught101> kyja: using cpufreq, or powersave?
[04:30] <kyja> spufreq
[04:30] <kyja> cpufreq
[04:30] <kyja> with the p4clock module
[04:31] <spasticteapot> Hmm.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> kyja: you the one complaining about it always shutting down when you were installing packages?
[04:31] <kyja> yeah, it was shutting off on me doing many things
[04:34] <nekostar> naught101 what video u got?
[04:34] <nekostar> intel by chance?
[04:35] <naught101> yeah
[04:35] <naught101> nekostar: why? is it not working currently?
[04:36] <nekostar> blacklisted recently
[04:36] <nekostar> lemme look in logs...
[04:36] <nekostar> ur gma is waht the 3000?
[04:37] <naught101> I don't understand that sentence :(
[04:37] <naught101> gma?
[04:37] <nekostar> which intel one is it
[04:37] <nekostar> gma 3000 / 3100 / x3000 / x3100 ?
[04:37] <naught101> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[04:37] <naught101> that what you mean?
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> nekostar: thats pre-santa rosa there.
[04:39] <nekostar> lspci | grep -i vga
[04:39] <nekostar> do that
[04:41] <naught101> nekostar: it's the one I just pasted
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> nekostar: he just said what his graphics card was...
[04:41] <nekostar> lspci -vn | grep -i vga
[04:41] <naught101> 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2592 (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA] )
[04:42] <nekostar> yeah
[04:42] <nekostar> 8086
[04:42] <nekostar> ok lemme find the workaround one sec
[04:42] <naught101> nekostar: is it safe to assume that this is likely to be fixed before the 18th?
[04:43] <nekostar> wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Blacklist
[04:43] <nekostar> nope
[04:43] <Nuked> I am curious as to which repositories should be enabled
[04:43] <nekostar> not till EXA is done or something
[04:43] <nekostar> which is gonna be like a year?
[04:44] <nekostar> there is a workaround
[04:44] <nekostar> use that blacklist instructions to unblacklist yourself [skip the blacklisted check]
[04:44] <naught101> I'm not using compiz-fusion at the moment..
[04:44] <nekostar> then go to #compiz-fusion and do !mplayer
[04:44] <nekostar> go to the last linky and get the libfaac and the mplayer there
[04:44] <Nuked> naught101: neither am I... on feisty I had serious problems with the ati driver
[04:44] <nekostar> and mplayer will work with xv in compiz
[04:45] <nekostar> naught101 i assume the problem that your talking about has to do with the compiz?
[04:45] <naught101> dude, I'm not in compiz
[04:45] <nekostar> or this is happening in metacity?
[04:45] <nekostar> dude im listening
[04:45] <naught101> in kwin
[04:45] <nekostar> ~_~
[04:45] <nekostar> w/e i dont support kde
[04:45] <nekostar> someone else might
[04:45] <naught101> I have compiz installed, but it's not running at the moment
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> naught101: I will... whats the problem..
[04:45] <naught101> yeah, well there's no kubuntu+1 channel...
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> gnome jerks..
[04:46] <naught101> nosrednaekim: video not working
[04:46] <nekostar> nosrednaekim eff u and him
[04:46] <jboyd> hmm
[04:46] <nekostar> its not like im getting payed for this
[04:46] <nekostar> and its not like he was exactly clear
[04:46] <jboyd> azureus-gcj core dumps in gutsy...
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> naught101: what about it is not working.
[04:46] <nekostar> i'm rather surprised its borked
[04:46] <Nuked> nosrednaekim: haha.. gnome jerks
[04:46] <naught101> nekostar: dude, chill out, I don't have a probelm. thanks for helping
[04:46] <nekostar> oh wait
[04:46] <nekostar> what makes u assume i even run gnome?
[04:47] <naught101> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[04:47] <naught101>   Major opcode of failed request:  141 (XVideo)
[04:47] <naught101>   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
[04:47] <naught101>   Serial number of failed request:  2567
[04:47] <naught101>   Current serial number in output stream:  2568
[04:47] <Nuked> naught101: !pastebin
[04:47] <naught101> that's what's happening nosrednaekim
[04:48] <naught101> Nuked: I know, I though it wasn't that long though....
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> naught101: no clue... but one thing is for sure... its not a KDE issue ;)
[04:48] <Nuked> naught101: I didnt realize you were going to stop there... some folks get really touchy about pasting
[04:48] <naught101> yeah. is it possible that just installing compiz-fusion and not running could still screw it up? nekostar?
[04:49] <naught101> thanks nosrednaekim
[04:49] <naught101> true Nuked. no offence taken ;)
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> naught101: possible. try uninstalling it.
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> did it ever work with gutsy?
[04:49] <kevinO> ok i did get the 360 controller working is anyone woul dlike to know :D
[04:49] <Nuked> naught101: isnt compiz-fusion included by default?
[04:49] <nosrednaekim> Nuked: not with kubuntu
[04:49] <Nuked> aaaah
[04:49] <naught101> Nuked: I dunno, I upgraded from feisty with apt-get, not a CD
[04:50] <Nuked> naught101: I did that and it horribly broke my system
[04:50] <naught101> nosrednaekim: I don't know. I don't think I tried it.
[04:50] <Nuked> so I resorted to a most unconvinient reinstall
[04:50] <naught101> hehe, maybe it broke my xvid
[04:50] <Nuked> inconvinient*
[04:51] <Nuked> a question... the packages in gutsy-proposed... were they supposed to be enabled when dist-upgrading?
[04:51] <nosrednaekim> I don't think so
[04:51] <Nuked> Oh boy..
[04:52] <nosrednaekim> lol... I didn't upgrade.. but I never heard of that
[04:53] <Madpilot> anyone having trouble getting Add/Remove or Synaptic to run on the Livecd?
[04:53] <Nuked> Yeah, my upgrades always seem to fail miserably
[04:53] <Nuked> Madpilot: YES
[04:53] <Madpilot> the CD integrity was clean, but add/remove stalls
[04:53] <Nuked> and so does the installer
[04:53] <kevinO> cat //home/kevin/.xpad360/Makefile
[04:53] <kevinO> oops
[04:54] <Nuked> I had to run the ubuntu live cd installer more than once for it to install gutsy
[04:54] <Madpilot> Nuked: know if there's been a bug filed yet?
[04:54] <Nuked> actually I hadn't looked... I just finished my install
[04:56] <Nuked> Madpilot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/33097
[04:56] <Nuked> ?
[04:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 33097 in synaptic "update-manager hangs for 10 seconds" [Medium,Confirmed]
[04:56] <LiMaO> everyone's sleeping already?
[04:56] <bazhang> nooo
[04:57] <Dr_willis> ZZzzzz....
[04:57] <LiMaO> i'm frustrated with lack of java for 64bit gutsy =/
[04:57] <erichj> moo
[04:57] <LiMaO> using 32bit firefox didn't work
[04:57] <Madpilot> Nuked: not the same issue, I think - I can't get add/remove or synaptic to start at all
[04:57] <bazhang> wowza
[04:58] <LiMaO> guess i'll have to use virtualbox everytime i want to access my homebanking
[04:59] <Nuked> Madpilot: not a big fan of apt-get?
[04:59] <usser> LiMaO: java 1.4 works
[04:59] <usser> LiMaO: its buggy though
[04:59] <Madpilot> Nuked: that doesn't work either currently
[05:00] <Nuked> Madpilot: what architecture?
[05:00] <Madpilot> Nuked: 32bit
[05:00] <LiMaO> usser: it doesn't. at least not on my bank's site =/
[05:00] <Nuked> ah, Im running the 64 bit
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:00] <Madpilot> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:00] <LiMaO> i guess everyone's running 64bit nowadays
[05:00] <Madpilot> meh, sorry for miniflood
[05:00] <jboyd> Madpilot, sudo?
[05:01] <usser> LiMaO: 1.4 is old so yea, lack of java is really frustrating
[05:01] <Madpilot> ya, "sudo apt-get install"
[05:01] <Dr_willis> LiMaO,  not me.. i dont see much need for it.
[05:01] <jboyd> Madpilot, or do you have synaptics running?
[05:01] <Nuked> jboyd: he cant get it to run at all
[05:01] <Madpilot> jboyd: nothing is running (visibly) that should have a lock on apt
[05:01] <Nuked> brb
[05:02] <jboyd> Madpilot, rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[05:02] <Madpilot> although gnome-system-monitor isn't starting either :|
[05:02] <prakriti> how would one go about disabling cpu-freq?
[05:02] <LiMaO> Dr_willis: it may be placebo, but seems faster for me
[05:02] <jboyd> Madpilot, sudo cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:02] <LiMaO> also for (de)compressing files, and 3d rendering
[05:02] <LiMaO> it's a lot better
[05:02] <alec> im having some trouble. im in 7.10 and i cant add new workspaces. any help please? i have no idea what to do.
[05:03] <Dr_willis> use the compiz settings tool. :)
[05:03] <LiMaO> alec: right click on the small squares on the bottom right side of your screen
[05:03] <Madpilot> jboyd: that returns nothing
[05:03] <LiMaO> then after you go to preferences, just set it up there
[05:03] <Dr_willis> if compiz is enabled.. you must use the compiz tool to set the # of workspacew. not the gnome config tool.
[05:03] <alec> LiMao: i tried that, theres no option. I only get options until the change # in rows.
[05:03] <prakriti> I added these to my blacklist but they still loaded: acpi_cpufreq cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_powersave cpufreq_ondemand freq_table cpufreq_conservative
[05:03] <alec> ah, where in the compiz tool can i find this?
[05:03] <prakriti> does anybody know why ubuntu is still loading them?
[05:03] <LiMaO> alec: don't you have the 'number of columns' option?
[05:04] <Dr_willis> It should be in the menus,  or install.. err.. i forget its name.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> this is going to be Faq #2 i bet for Gutsy
[05:04] <Dr_willis> !find compiz-settings
[05:04] <alec> no, i only have up unti; "show all workspaces in 1 rows"
[05:04] <jboyd> Madpilot, does the lock file exist?
[05:04] <ubotu> Package/file compiz-settings does not exist in gutsy
[05:04] <Madpilot> jboyd: not sure - one sec
[05:05] <Madpilot> jboyd: yes, it does
[05:05] <alec> im the compizconfig settings manager, cant find anything in all these panes relating to number of workspaces.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[05:05] <Dr_willis> should be in the first 'tab/item' i recall
[05:05] <jboyd> Madpilot, can you run apt-get clean?
[05:06] <jboyd> Madpilot, also try rm /var/lock/rpm/transaction
[05:06] <jboyd> rm /var/lib/rpm/__db*
[05:06] <jboyd> rm /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[05:06] <Dr_willis> General --> desktop size
[05:06] <alec> found it, thanks!
[05:06] <Dr_willis> note that compiz can be Pick about those #'s
[05:06] <Dr_willis> be picky
[05:06] <alec> ah
[05:06] <Madpilot> rm: cannot remove `/var/lock/rpm/transaction': No such file or directory
[05:07] <rfcompte> does anybody know anything about problems with the kernel upgrade from last week?
[05:07] <alec> ugh, this bluetooth is terrible, it doesnt capture half of my key input.
[05:07] <jboyd> Madpilot, try all 3, you'll probably just have the last one
[05:07] <LiMaO> brb, setting up stuff
[05:08] <rfcompte> anyone?
[05:08] <bazhang> fine here.
[05:09] <Madpilot> jboyd: last rm worked, but apt-get still complains about something else having a lock...
[05:09] <majnoon> ok only having ONE probblem here how shut down crash reporting (it crashes me puter)
[05:09] <jboyd> Madpilot, what's the error message again?
[05:09] <Nuked> Oddly enough... I have no desktop icons on either ubuntu or kubuntu
[05:10] <jboyd> Madpilot, try rm -rf /root/.synaptic
[05:10] <majnoon> ok only having ONLY ONE probblem here how shut down crash reporting (it crashes me puter)
[05:10] <Madpilot> rm: cannot chdir from `.' to `/root/.synaptic': Permission denied
[05:10] <jboyd> heh crash reporting crashes your computer ...
[05:10] <jboyd> that's more than one problem
[05:10] <jboyd> Madpilot, sudo rm -rf /root/.synaptic
[05:10] <Madpilot> duh, of course
[05:11] <Nuked> majnoon: you dist upgraded didnt you
[05:11] <Madpilot> jboyd: still locked
[05:11] <jboyd> Madpilot, hmm ... hold
[05:11] <majnoon> i can USUALLY fix the OTHER problems ,and Nuked YUP
[05:11] <jboyd> Madpilot, automatic update manager running?
[05:11] <Nuked> majnoon did you enable the gutsy-proposed repo?
[05:12] <jboyd> Madpilot, ps auxww | grep automatic-update-manager
[05:12] <majnoon> i THINK so
[05:12] <Madpilot> jboyd: no results, so nope.
[05:12] <majnoon> Nuked, the rest stuff works ALMOST perfectly
[05:12] <jboyd> actually i think it's just update-manager
[05:12] <jboyd> Madpilot, yep, just update-manager
[05:12] <Madpilot> ubuntu   15121  0.0  0.0   2976   752 pts/1    R+   03:12   0:00 grep update-manager
[05:13] <Nuked> majnoon: but you still notice that the menu and other stuff have considerable lag when you click on them to the time they are rendered
[05:13] <Madpilot> there the bastard is. how come there isn't an  icon on my notification area?
[05:13] <jboyd> Madpilot, hmm wtf.
[05:13] <majnoon> no
[05:13] <majnoon> it actually FASTER Nuked
[05:13] <jboyd> Madpilot, no, that's not it, that's you looking for it i think
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, can you run synaptic?
[05:14] <Nuked> majnoon I would get your exact problem... and only when using something gtk or gnome based
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, or is it just apt-get that fails
[05:14] <jboyd> ...
[05:14] <Nuked> kde stuff works ok
[05:14] <majnoon> it do it in KDE too
[05:14] <Madpilot> jboyd: no, it won't start - neither will add/remove
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, frustrating.
[05:14] <Nuked> majnoon: I know but it takes longer for the crash to happen on kde for whatever reason
[05:14] <jboyd> Madpilot, something is running that's using it, did you just install gutsy?
[05:15] <rfcompte> hey guys anyone is using the last gutsy kernel (2.6.22-13)?
[05:15] <Nuked> rfcompte: yes
[05:15] <clusty> was curious if it were possible to have 3d acceleration for 2 video cards at the same time - laptop has both intel and nvidia cards
[05:15] <Madpilot> jboyd: not installed at all - just running the LiveCD
[05:15] <WGGMk> ok, trying to setup a samba server.. but i deleted the /etc/samba/smb.conf & /etc/samba/smbusers... now I reinstalled and samba daemons fail to start
[05:15] <jboyd> Madpilot, wait you're trying to update the live cd?
[05:15] <majnoon> i was wondering when it official how do change ??
[05:15] <Madpilot> jboyd: no, I'm trying to install something while on the LveCD
[05:15] <rfcompte> Nuked: do you know of someone having problems with it?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> !find samba.conf
[05:16] <ubotu> File samba.conf found in logwatch
[05:16] <Dr_willis> figure that out. :) heh - remove --purge and reinstall logwatch perhaps?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !find smbusers
[05:16] <jboyd> Madpilot, sorry, i haven't fucked with the livecds .. hmm
[05:16] <ubotu> Package/file smbusers does not exist in gutsy
[05:17] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: lol thanks again
[05:17] <Madpilot> jboyd: first time I've ever had serious issues w/ LiveCDs, even pre-release ones
[05:17] <Nuked> how do I get gutsy to read/write ntfs?
[05:17] <WGGMk> Nuked: it should be built in
[05:17] <jboyd> Madpilot, i didn't even realize you could run apt-get from the livecd
[05:17] <hydrogen> !ntfs3g | nuked
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs3g - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <hydrogen> !ntfs-3g | nuked
[05:17] <ubotu> nuked: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:17] <majnoon> Nuked, no recomend ntfs r/w
[05:17] <Madpilot> jboyd: of course you can, it's a full instance of Ubuntu, just temporary
[05:17] <jboyd> Madpilot, true.
[05:17] <george__> I have uses gentoo for about 5 years, but I am new to ubuntu. xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.7.195 has huge problems how can I downgrade to 194 that I was using yesterday
[05:18] <jboyd> Madpilot, well, you'd think so atleast :)
[05:18] <Nuked> majnoon: why not?
[05:18] <majnoon> it POSSIBLE but no recommend
[05:18] <Madpilot> jboyd: no, I've done it on previous livecds, it used to work...
[05:18] <majnoon> M$ still hides settings etc.
[05:18] <jboyd> i mount my ntfs as rw, probably a bad idea though.
[05:18] <jboyd> my windows install is fubar'd anyways, imagine that.
[05:19] <jboyd> wireless drops itself every half hour or so and requires reboot to come back
[05:19] <jboyd> retarded.
[05:19] <majnoon> if going to dual boot i recomend a seperate fat32 partition for sharing
[05:19] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: went to remove logwatch and its not installed.. suggestions?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> learn to backup config files in the future - befor deleting them. :)
[05:19] <jboyd> majnoon, or just mount ext3 from windows
[05:20] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,   try installing logwatch?
[05:20] <george__> Does anyone have any ideas for me
[05:20] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  or find some other samba.config example and use it.
[05:20] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: aight, thanks for the info.. sorry for the lack of experience.. but we gotta learn somehow
[05:20] <Dr_willis> what was the other file?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> I dont even have a /etc/samba/smbusers
[05:21] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: smbuser's.. was following a tutorial to get samba up and running locally for now.. and it said to create that file
[05:21] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: you have any good articles? or references you can toss at me?
[05:21] <jboyd> WGGMk, accept that smb.conf, that's the default.
[05:21] <Dr_willis> To get it running.. i normally just install the samba package. and edit the smb.conf file..  takes all of 2 min.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> !info samba-doc
[05:22] <ubotu> samba-doc: Samba documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.26a-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 6816 kB, installed size 14752 kB
[05:22] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: is it just local for you? or you accept external connections too?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> my whole lan can get to  the machine.. if thats what you mean.
[05:22] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: and outside your lan? say perhaps me for example?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> edit smb.conf, enable home shares. make them writeable..
[05:23] <Dr_willis> you DONT DONT DONT use samba over the internet.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:23] <Dr_willis> shall i say dont more
[05:23] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: lol... would about samba with vlan?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> unless of course ya do ssh tunneling or somthing like that.. i guess
[05:23] <Dr_willis> which i never used.. so cant help ya there.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> ssh would be much safer and proiberly easier
[05:23] <WGGMk> ok
[05:24] <WGGMk> i dont get it though.. sudo apt-get remove --purge should dump smb.conf files?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> dump? you mean delete?
[05:24] <WGGMk> yea..
[05:25] <WGGMk> as in since there is no file when reinstalling it should create this file again.. or am i wrong?
[05:25] <WGGMk> that was my intent when i rm -Rf the file and remove --purge then installed again
[05:26] <Dr_willis> You are thinking in windows terms. :)
[05:26] <WGGMk> seems to be so
[05:26] <Dr_willis> you just purging the package should of removed the configs.. UNLESS they were 'changed' I belive
[05:26] <WGGMk> they were
[05:26] <Madpilot>  --purge does remove configs too, afaik
[05:26] <Dr_willis> but i do NOt think the samba config file is part of the samba package.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> could be --purge may remove them depending on the package. never tested it.
[05:27] <WGGMk> well that would imply everyone has the config file by default cause i didnt create it
[05:27] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  correct./ theres is a /etc/samba/stuff on a clean install i noticed.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> not sure what package it came from however.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> thats with out samba package being installed.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> not sure why its there. :) but guess somthing needed it.
[05:28] <WGGMk> grrr...
[05:28] <Dr_willis> !info apt-file
[05:28] <ubotu> apt-file: APT package searching utility -- command-line interface. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 100 kB
[05:29] <WGGMk> find out where smb.conf is or where it came from?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Its in /etc/samba/ :)  i know that much
[05:29] <Dr_willis> lets look at  http://packages.ubuntu.com/ also
[05:29] <alec> hey, im on a macbook pro with 7.10 beta and im getting weird/crackly-ish sound (just tried playing some music). any help?
[05:30] <WGGMk> sorry for being a n00b.. a ~ after a file name is in use right? like smb.conf~
[05:30] <Dr_willis> usr/share/samba/smb.conf				    net/samba-common
[05:30] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  thats a 'old' backup from vi or some other editor. :)
[05:31] <Dr_willis> not 'in use'
[05:31] <WGGMk> ok.. sorry
[05:31] <majnoon> i was wondering when it official how do change ??
[05:31] <alec> any help with the crappy sound im getting? :P
[05:32] <majnoon> jboyd, i no recomend ext3 from windows either same thing M$ foobars EVEYTHING
[05:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  i cant seem to find where /etc/samba/smb.conf comes from
[05:32] <LiMaO> alec, are you using alsa? which apps are giving you crappy sound output?
[05:32] <jscinoz> hey guys, im packaging a few games as debs, what is the correct location for the game data, /usr/share/games or /usr/lib/games?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> it has examples in other packages.. but not the original
[05:33] <naught101> anyone here running kubuntu
[05:33] <naught101> ?
[05:33] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: i found smb.conf at /usr/share/samba/ looks pretty auto gen'ed.. so i copied it to /etc/samba/ and its starting now.. appreciate the help
[05:33] <alec> sound is much worse than os x, rhythmbox was giving the worst.
[05:33] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: now i just have to figure out what im doing lol.. (god im so new at this)
[05:33] <LiMaO> alec: have you tried xmms for mp3 playback? tell me how it sounds to you
[05:33] <alec> right now im playing it in totem but it sounds faded.
[05:33] <alec> ill try it out
[05:34] <tritium> Dr_willis: the installation of samba-common creates it
[05:35] <alec> xmms says "please check that your soundcard is configured properly" and crap
[05:35] <Dr_willis> tritium,  yea. that was my thinking also. :)
[05:35] <alec> got XMMS to play, nevermind, changed to ALSA
[05:35] <alec> still sounds like crap
[05:35] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: would I have to set the interface to a local IP from the router.. for just my lan to access it?
[05:36] <tritium> Dr_willis: you can verify by looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, at the samba-common scripts
[05:36] <alec> turned on the EQ, its alright.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  ive never had to mess with that setting. You got more then one ip?
[05:36] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: not more then one external.. just more then 1 node on the router
[05:37] <tritium> Dr_willis: e.g., the .postinst
[05:39] <Dr_willis> tritium,  ok. :) i trust ya man.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> so to 'recreate' the default. he would purge/reinstall the samba-common package.
[05:40] <WorkingOnWise> is there a way to "recover" a synaptics session? I was in the middle of downloading a bunch of pkgs and the video freaked out. it is known problem with the nvidia drivers, with an easy workaround. There are a bunch or pkgs on my drive now that have not been installed. how can I get apt-get or synaptics to finish the job?
[05:40] <Konam> hey, i'm having problems with the pidgin's plugins
[05:41] <tritium> Dr_willis: that's one way
[05:41] <_lemsx1_> WorkingOnWise: just do: apt-get -f install
[05:41] <Konam> when i enable one of them and restart pidgin it doesn't remember the plugins i've enabled....
[05:42] <WorkingOnWise> lol.....as in "finish"? sweet!
[05:43] <LiMaO> vbox has some problems with usb on gutsy
[05:44] <_lemsx1_> Konam: permissions are wrong for the files under ~/.purple ?
[05:44] <_lemsx1_> Konam: sudo chown -R $USER ~/.purple
[05:44] <_lemsx1_> Konam: where $USER is your username of course
[05:44] <Konam> _lemsx1_ but how could that happen, is the default pidgin installation
[05:44] <Konam> ??
[05:45] <_lemsx1_> Konam: dunno. just taking wild guesses
[05:46] <Konam> _lemsx1_ it didn't work :(
[05:46] <_lemsx1_> Konam: did you try launching pidgin from the command line using --debug ?
[05:46] <kb3llm> i just installed 7.10 beta in QEMU and theres no toolbar at the top. Any clues?
[05:47] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: perhaps compiz?
[05:47] <LiMaO> just for curiosity, what irc client do you people use?
[05:47] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: ??
[05:47] <_lemsx1_> LiMaO: /me likes Pidgin
[05:47] <Konam> LiMaO Xchat
[05:47] <LiMaO> kb3llm: try right clicking where it should be. it may appear
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: exactly. follow LiMaO's advice
[05:48] <LiMaO> it happens with my bottom panel
[05:48] <kb3llm> LiMaO: didn't work..
[05:48] <Dr_willis> same here
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: compiz is enabled by default. it might be doing some stupidity to your panels
[05:48] <Dr_willis> :) no panel till i click
[05:48] <LiMaO> i really hope this minor stuff gets fixed in the final release heh
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> Dr_willis: yep. it happened to me earlier
[05:48] <_lemsx1_> LiMaO: i just disabled compiz ;-)
[05:49] <Cobain> uhg i clicked cancel real quick on a message i thought was from evolution and it was from the gusty install. it broke it :(
[05:49] <Cobain> http://pastebin.com/m2a53af62
[05:49] <_lemsx1_> switching users does not work with compiz
[05:49] <kb3llm> how do i disable it?
[05:49] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: appearnace control panel
[05:49] <kb3llm> is that a qemu setting, or ubuntu?
[05:49] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: in ubuntu? I cant get there... I dont have a toolbar.
[05:49] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: desktop effects
[05:50] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: i cant get there
[05:50] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: yes you can. that's just a command
[05:50] <kb3llm> ohh
[05:50] <Cobain> anyone have any idea on how to fix it?
[05:50] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: try: metacity --replace &
[05:50] <secret901> I installed kubuntu-desktop in 7.4 and removed it.  I just upgraded to ubuntu 7.10, and now I'm having trouble running some applications
[05:50] <secret901> it keeps thinking that I'm using kde
[05:50] <Konam> where is the wizard to set the compiz effects that you want?
[05:51] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: i'm in q kju, on mac os x, how do i get to a terminal?
[05:51] <secret901> konam: preferences->appearance
[05:51] <Konam> and no the 'normal' 'extras' 'custom' one, it doesnt work
[05:51] <LiMaO> sometimes some weird stuff happens around here. just like now, i was browsing my folders with nautilus and all of a sudden, i get a message saying 'the folder contents could not be displayed'
[05:51] <Cobain> im missing basically all libs
[05:51] <kb3llm> _lemsx1_: in ubuntu (on q kju)
[05:51] <Konam> secret901 i'm referring to the one that we had in feisty
[05:51] <Cobain> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
[05:51] <Cobain>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10
[05:51] <Cobain> i keep getting that no matter what i do
[05:51] <Dr_willis> kb3llm, in OS-X theres a programs or somtning direcory that has a terminal icon i recall
[05:51] <secret901> anyone know how to get rid of all traces of kde?
[05:52] <LiMaO> nautilus is freezing a lot. have to kill its processes many times a day
[05:52] <secret901> after a botched kubuntu-desktop install?
[05:52] <riotkittie> there isnt a wizard. you can install compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:52] <kb3llm> Dr_willis: i mean in os x, but in the ubuntu emulation\
[05:52] <kb3llm> i have no way to get to a terminal in ubuntu, because i have no toolbar
[05:52] <Dr_willis> kb3llm,  you now have me totally confused..
[05:52] <riotkittie> kb3llm: alt + f2
[05:52] <Dr_willis> alt-f2  run xterm
[05:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> if thts working
[05:52] <_lemsx1_> secret901: how about renameing your $HOME and starting with a blank directory ;-)
[05:53] <secret901> I'm trying to run zsnes but it's having trouble accessing some files in the kde directory
[05:53] <kb3llm> alt+f2 does nothing
[05:53] <_lemsx1_> kb3llm: right click on the desktop and create a new launcher with "gnome-terminal" as the command
[05:53] <secret901> it didn't have problems in Edgy
[05:53] <secret901> but now having problems in Gutsy
[05:53] <LiMaO> oh, btw, some (probably) basic question to which i don't know the answer: i was browsing a video folder of mine and as i didn't have all the codecs installed at that time, i don't have nice preview thumbnails, just plain icons. now that i have the codecs, every other video folder i open loads the videos and create thumbnails, except for that 1st one, which still shows the icons. how do i fix it?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> installing zsnes now.
[05:54] <secret901> ***Dr_willis: it says unable to poll /dev/input0...
[05:54] <Cobain> i cant figure out why tzdata wont configure
[05:54] <LiMaO> no zsnes for 64bit =/
[05:55] <Madpilot> what is the package name for Add/Remove Apps?
[05:55] <secret901> it's unable to access the file .kde/socket-dell
[05:56] <Dr_willis> secret901,  its working here.
[05:56] <secret901> Dr_willis: probably because you have a clean install...
[05:56] <secret901> I had a botched install of kubuntu-desktop that probably is leaving some traces
[05:56] <Dr_willis> secret901,  perhaps. :) thats why i do clean installs
[05:56] <Dr_willis> it does say  Unable to poll /dev/input/event1
[05:56] <heguru> Madpilot: gnome-app-install
[05:57] <Dr_willis> its scanning for joysticks
[05:57] <nekostar> WHAT
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i dont see what kubuntu-desktop woul dhave to do with zsnes at all. :)
[05:58] <nekostar> eh
[05:58] <secret901> Dr_willis: me neither...for some reason it's unable to find a file in the .kde subdirectory
[05:58] <Madpilot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/150434  <-- anyone else with something similar?
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150434 in synaptic "synaptic/apt-get/Add/Remove errors on Gutsy Beta LiveCD" [Undecided,New]
[05:58] <fulat2k> hi folks, what's the best way to install libdecss in gg?
[05:58] <secret901> Dr_willis: the file is named socket-dell
[05:59] <MrMazda> Is anyone not getting dbootstrap failure while installing base packages on gutsy beta2 i386? This happens to me on both network and CD installs. an error was returned while trying to install the initramfs-tools package onto the target system happens every time
[06:00] <Dr_willis> secret901,  that sounds like some X 'socket' thang. :)  lets see what i got
[06:00] <secret901> Dr_willis: when I upgraded to Gutsy, it asked me to input my user info again
[06:00] <LiMaO> no one knows the answer to my video preview thumbnails question?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> I got a  socket-MythBox
[06:00] <Dr_willis> seems theres some  arts sound server settings/files in there
[06:00] <secret901> Dr_willis: maybe this new user doesn't have permission to access the old directories?
[06:01] <Dr_willis> could just delete the socket-whatever dir.
[06:01] <Madpilot> Has Gnome's workspace-switcher been crippled so you can't change the # of desktops you have?
[06:01] <secret901> Dr_willis: it shouldn't ask me to register a new user when I upgrade, should it?
[06:01] <riotkittie> Madpilot: no. go to System Menu > Appearance
[06:01] <Dr_willis> try zsnes  -ds    to  Disable sound output
[06:01] <riotkittie> you have to change it on one of the tabs there
[06:01] <Dr_willis> secret901,  no idea there. I never do upgrades.
[06:01] <secret901> Dr_willis: then how do you retain your settings?
[06:01] <riotkittie> System > Preferences > Appearance, rather. which is ridiculous. but :x
[06:02] <Dr_willis> secret901,  i keep /home on its own partition. :)
[06:02] <Dr_willis> then i edit fstab to mount it after i get installed.
[06:02] <Dr_willis> actually /home is on its own hd. :)
[06:02] <Madpilot> riotkittie: where in Appearances? Lots of theme stuff there, can't see anything on increasing the # of virtual desktops
[06:03] <Madpilot> used to be set by right-click->Prefs on the switcher itself
[06:03] <riotkittie> Madpilot: do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  its in the compiz config thing. general swettings.
[06:03] <Dr_willis> its NOT in the switcher - Unless ya got compiz disalbed. (i think)
[06:03] <Madpilot> riotkittie: this is a default gutsy livecd - is that not running by default?
[06:04] <Dr_willis> this is getting to be such a faq. :) heh ..
[06:04] <riotkittie> Madpilot: I'm not sure.
[06:04] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: so Gutsy ships compiz, but doesn't have all the tools to configure it installed by default?
[06:04] <leli1> Dear all... How can I install specific version of package? for instance: I have kdebase-ubuntu27 but I want to use ubntu26...
[06:04] <riotkittie> brb. my kid is making farm animal sounds
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  the GNOME 'settings manager' has a streamlined down set of settings
[06:05] <Dr_willis> the FULL (complex) tool is in  compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:05] <Dr_willis> if you install it. the gnome 'none/some/fancy' options also have a button to run the full compiz config tool.
[06:05] <prakriti> how do i disable cpu frequency scaling? blacklisting the modules didn't work
[06:06] <Dr_willis> and its in the menus as well
[06:06] <Madpilot> I've never considered "number of virtual desktops" to be a particularly advanced config option :|
[06:06] <prakriti> do i need to do anything to make the blacklist take effect?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  whatever.. tell it to the devs.
[06:06] <secret901> I'm trying sudo cd /home and it's telling that "command not found"
[06:06] <leli1> I'm trying to find out the bug in gutsy in kdebase package and I want to find out the package vesrion where it occurred..
[06:06] <Madpilot> secret901: you never need to use sudo in front of cd
[06:06] <Dr_willis> compiz + gnome is still very much rough at spots. :)
[06:06] <prakriti> lol
[06:07] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: lovely. and we're shipping this by default *why*, exactly?
[06:07] <riotkittie> Madpilot:  to drive people insane, of course
[06:07] <Madpilot> ah, of course. silly me.
[06:07] <secret901> Madpilot: I'm trying to get into a subdirectory named ".kde", but it's telling me "permission denied"
[06:07] <secret901> Madpilot: how do I get in there?
[06:07] <dmb> stupid question, will gutsy use xgl if the card doesn't work with aiglx?
[06:08] <dmb> for compiz-fusion
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  disable compiz then. :)
[06:08] <riotkittie> # of VDs should be on one of the appearance tab, but because my install is "tainted" with ccsm,  i cant tell you which :|
[06:09] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: riotkittie - at least Metacity & sanity are easy to get back...
[06:09] <xid> is this the newb chanel?
[06:09] <Madpilot> secret901: do "ls -la ~/.kde"
[06:09] <Madpilot> w/o the ""
[06:09] <leli1> Does anybody see my messages? just to be sure, that they were sent. :-)
[06:09] <secret901> thanks all, I fixed the problem...the file somehow had limited acess.  So I used chmod
[06:10] <riotkittie> i dont know why they have it turned on by default, or at least implemented in the manner that it is.
[06:10] <jscinoz> is the "View as list" mode of nautilus broken since the last partial upgrade for anyone?
[06:10] <Madpilot> Dr_willis: FAQ #1: Why is compiz so broken yet shipped by default? A. Damifino.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> To get the Full Compiz settings panel "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"  - the Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  Marketing would be my guess.
[06:11] <riotkittie> marketing. will be the downfall of us all. <weep>
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  youve just stumbled upon some of the more trivial issues with it.
[06:11] <kingrayray> Yeah. I use Compiz constantly and never have any problems..
[06:11] <Madpilot> hey, at least compiz works with my ATI vidcard - that I was slightly impressed by. Not even using the restricted drivers currently.
[06:11] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: ooh, have you discoverd really nasty problems? do tell :D
[06:12] <dmb> where can i see the the package list for #ubuntu+1 ?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> lets see.. lately.. vncclient poped up a 'enter password' dialog.. but that input box wouldent take any input...
[06:12] <Dr_willis> panel at bottom shows up only after i click on it. :)
[06:12] <riotkittie> yea, i'll give them that. i tried setting compiz up on feisty. it did not go well.
[06:12] <Dr_willis>  had the no-imput on some other programs as well.
[06:12] <prakriti> no-input was a big issue with java progrmas
[06:12] <prakriti> i think that has been fixed though
[06:13] <Dr_willis> prakriti,  Bingo.. had same issue with frostwire just yesterday
[06:13] <Dr_willis> couldent rember what it was. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> MythTV front end does work with compiz however.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> zsnes worked. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Under Kde/kubuntu - thers a lot of oddities. :)
[06:13] <riotkittie> the only thing i've really run into is invisible panels. oh, and for some reason, my windows fade in and out at random, but i think i turned something stupid on
[06:14] <prakriti> I love the shift switcher, bound it to button6 on my mouse, scrollwheel through windows... <3
[06:14] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  aha.. i know that one.. Theres a "shade/darken windows based on their focus history" - seen that make a window 'shade' when the tab key is hit..
[06:14] <kelly> im new to ubuntu/linux... how do i install a new desktop version after download.
[06:15] <mzuverink> Man, Gusty is a beautiful beast!
[06:15] <riotkittie> kelly: desktop version as in... release? or gnome/kde/xfce/ so on and so forth
[06:15] <prakriti> Does anybody know why it still loads modules even though I blacklisted them?\
[06:15] <prakriti> This is driving me nuts, I hate to have to reroll the image.
[06:15] <prakriti> Not that it is hard I guess.
[06:16] <kelly> i honestly have no idea... my brother put ubuntu on my computer...
[06:16] <MU9214> still no menubar, I'll be ba`ck tomororow
[06:16] <MU9214> tomorrow
[06:16] <prakriti> kelly : burn the cd, put it in the drive, reboot
[06:16] <Cobain> so i got the configure issue resoved by removing and then reinstalling tzdata but now im evidently missing a bunch of packages or something because when x boots i dont get anything except for a wallpaper
[06:16] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  i think 'trailfocus' can cause issues
[06:17] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: dont have that enabled
[06:17] <kelly> yeah... that's the part i don't now how to do .... i don't know what to burn on the cd
[06:17] <gunny> anyone know of a pptp client that can be used without having network-manager installed ? I am using wicd instead of nm for both wireless and wired atm
[06:17] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  heh - it dont seem to be working anyway for ma at this this time
[06:17] <Cobain> what do i need to install to make sure i have the whole desktop package?
[06:18] <riotkittie> oooh maybe its opacify
[06:18] <riotkittie> ah ha!
[06:19] <Madpilot> anyone else on LiveCD? I can use the Appearances widget to turn compiz off, but when I try to turn it back ON Appearances freezes and Compiz doesn't turn on again...
[06:19] <leli1> guys... help needed.. where can I download .deb package of specific version. I tried to find it on packages.ubuntu.com, but failed..
[06:19] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  Hmm.. seems a lot of the plugins are not working for me  right now.. the  ADHD one waint working
[06:19] <mzuverink> Madpilot, I had that prob w/ the live cd too, however once installed it worked fine
[06:19] <riotkittie> i ended up microwaving the live CD :|
[06:19] <hsystem-x> hahaha
[06:20] <Madpilot> riotkittie: that bad? :)
[06:20] <riotkittie> Dr_willis: all the ones i've used are working well for me
[06:20] <Dr_willis> riotkittie,  my wife likes the 'zoom' feature
[06:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:20] <hsystem-x> haahah that was funny man.. microwaving the live cd haha
[06:20] <riotkittie> Madpilot: it went great until I was attempting to install. i suppose it didnt like my external eSATA drive
[06:20] <Cobain> i had messed up my gusty install can someone please tell me what i need to install to get a working desktop?
[06:20] <Evanlec> i like the zoom feature with my wireless keyboard/mouse on my bed
[06:20] <Dr_willis> benchmark plugin  = not working either
[06:20] <Cobain> gdm starts but i dont get audio or toolbars
[06:20] <riotkittie> it kept locking up at either 8 or 53%
[06:20] <prakriti> Madpilot : BitchX baby!
[06:21] <Madpilot> mzuverink: so long as it's a LiveCD problem only - no issues on the install, then it's not worth a bug report
[06:21] <dfgas> i messed up my font sizes in the appearence menu, can someone do a screen shot of theirs and send it to me please?
[06:21] <Dr_willis> windows previews = not workign either.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> wobbly windows = is working. :)
[06:21] <hsystem-x> Cobain, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop OR sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:22] <Nuked> I cannot seem to mount my ntfs partition
[06:22] <riotkittie> ohhh so thats how zoom works.
[06:22] <prakriti> great for uhm... pictures
[06:22] <Nuked> and I even tried ntfs-config
[06:22] <Cobain> hsystem-x it says its already installed. if i remove and reinstall it same thing
[06:22] <Nuked> should I forcefully mount it?
[06:22] <prakriti> Nuked : watch your language!
[06:23] <mzuverink> Madpilot, just live cd, installed, works like a chanmp except w/ compiz on when first loads desktop the bottom panel wont appear until I click the desktop and that will or is fixed now according to a conversation last night here
[06:23] <Nuked> prakriti: what are you talking about?
[06:23] <prakriti> jk
[06:23] <Cobain> Nuked talk of rape is not allowed in this channel
[06:23] <Nuked> BUT ITS MY DRIVE!
[06:24] <mzuverink> prakriti, !language
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. seems the settings tool isent setting the settings.. :)
[06:24] <Nuked> Dr_willis:  you dont say... what should I do?
[06:24] <dfgas> there needs to be a default button
[06:24] <Cobain> :( i need a working desktop
[06:24] <Cobain> i feel like im in 1996 again running BitchX
[06:25] <Nuked> Cobain: HA!
[06:25] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  mounting ntfs? learn the proper way to manually mount the things?
[06:25] <slasher> hey, where can i see the x errors with this bulletproof x?
[06:25] <riotkittie> ooh. scale is nice.
[06:25] <Madpilot> next compiz gripe: is switching workspaces via mousewheel really broken, or is it just me?
[06:25] <dfgas> please, anyone, give me a list of font and font size in the fonts tab in appearence
[06:26] <Nuked> Dr_willis: I can properly mount it... the frontend gave me the command... im just wondering if it can damage the partition or the likes
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Madpilot,  i roll the wheel on the desktp here and it changes
[06:26] <Cobain> i wish i had a desktop to test it on
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  mounting it read only. proberly not..
[06:26] <riotkittie> i can switch via wheel.
[06:26] <Madpilot> dfgas: sans, sans, sans, sans bold, monospace, all 10pt
[06:26] <crdlb> Madpilot, you mean on the pager?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  writing to it.  possibaly.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Wheel on the Pager = Nothing.
[06:26] <dfgas> ty
[06:27] <Cobain> no alt+f2.. no right clicking
[06:27] <Nuked> Dr_willis: I want read/write... a command would be helpful
[06:27] <Cobain> doesnt seem like gnome is starting
[06:27] <Madpilot> Hover over the workspace-switcher, roll the mousewheel - should change desktops. Doesn't seem to in compiz
[06:27] <crdlb> Madpilot, that's because compiz uses viewports
[06:27] <crdlb> that's a bug in the panel
[06:27] <mzuverink> compiz-tray-icon...anyone get that to work?
[06:27] <riotkittie> nope
[06:27] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  that needs the ntfs-3g stuff I do belive.  and i enble that by running the ntfs-config tool.
[06:27] <Madpilot> crdlb: that's a lousy bug. I use the mousewheel to switch desktops all the time... :|
[06:27] <usser> mzuverink: i gave up on it kept messing my configuration
[06:28] <Nuked> Dr_willis:  and that tool isnt doing the tricl
[06:28] <Nuked> k
[06:28] <DanaG> And the wheel-near-screen-edge seems to be gone.
[06:28] <mzuverink> usser, mine wont even appear
[06:28] <crdlb> Madpilot, well you can on the desktop with the viewport switcher plugin
[06:28] <crdlb> DanaG, it's possible with some tweaking
[06:29] <Madpilot> crdlb: but by default mousewheel-switching is broken. Very uncool.
[06:29] <crdlb> Madpilot, yeah :/
[06:29] <Dr_willis> Nuked,  it will only change the fstab IF theres a ntfs entry in there to begin with. i do belive
[06:29] <Madpilot> s/Compiz/Crapiz
[06:29] <crdlb> that kind of thing can't happen if compiz is supposed to be a transparent replacement for metacity
[06:29] <Nuked> Dr_willis:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=567668
[06:30] <Nuked> apparently I am not the only one with the problem
[06:30] <Nuked> I think I will have to do a clean reboot in windows
[06:30] <Cobain> i guess ill be tryinig kde
[06:30] <Nuked> then try my luck again
[06:31] <Nuked> ill let you know what happens
[06:31] <bazhang> ugh no sound after last upgrade (to video card drivers?)
[06:31] <mzuverink> with compiz set to custom, what must I do to customize it, does not seem to be a way or Im blind
[06:31] <Madpilot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libwnck/+bug/129152
[06:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129152 in libwnck "cannot set number or name of workspaces from workspace switcher applet" [Medium,Fix released]
[06:32] <riotkittie> mzuverink: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[06:32] <Dr_willis> mzuverink,  theres no button that says 'preferances' next to the customize selector?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> if not.. You just asked Faq #1 :)
[06:32] <mzuverink> thank fols
[06:32] <mzuverink> *folks
[06:32] <Dr_willis> To get the Full Compiz settings panel "sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager"  - the Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:32] <crdlb> Dr_willis, heh :)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> To Set the # of desktops in Gnome Install the compizconfig-settings-manager , then under General -> Desktop Size. (be carefull, some # of desktops dont work well with compiz)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> thers #2 for ya.. for free! :)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> I hear that 5 desktops do not work well.
[06:33] <crdlb> as does almost everyone else using compiz
[06:33] <riotkittie> i didnt have a problem with 5. right now i have three.
[06:34] <Madpilot> On my full install (still Feisty) I run eight
[06:34] <Dr_willis> Default was 2 here it seems
[06:34] <Madpilot> default in gutsy is two
[06:34] <crdlb> Dr_willis, yup hasn't changed
[06:34] <Madpilot> I think it's been two since Edgy
[06:34] <Cobain> uhg this is pissing me off
[06:34] <crdlb> Dr_willis, which one? :)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> the little flippy card one..
[06:35] <riotkittie> i feel ripped off. 32 desktops... and i get like 12?!
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Shift Switcher
[06:35] <Konam> I have one question, my ntfs partition was mounted with write permissions, automatically by gutsy, the ntfs-3g driver is default in gutsy?
[06:35] <crdlb> the "coverflow" one?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Not sure why its called 'shift'
[06:35] <riotkittie> ooh.  thats nice. and very useful.
[06:35] <crdlb> Dr_willis, well it can do both coverflow and flip3d
[06:35] <riotkittie> as opposed to the one in vista ;P
[06:35] <Dr_willis> Konam,   i think it is the default now.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> crdlb,  oh? neer noticed that one.
[06:35] <dfgas> hmmm, wonder if vbox is still gona lock up, haven't used in weeks
[06:35] <crdlb> yup just change switcher mode
[06:35] <Konam> Dr_willis wow, it isn't patent covered? I mean, the whole ntfs thing?
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Konam,  aparently not. :)
[06:36] <Dr_willis> we have had vfat read/write for years
[06:37] <LiMaO> has anyone been successful in running google sketchup in gutsy? (via wine)
[06:37] <Dr_willis> It is nifty that videos can still play while Win-Tab (shift switcher)  in copiz.. in their little windows.
[06:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:38] <Dr_willis> Quick Poll. anyone else set their minimize/close/ animations to 'random' so you can see them all by min/maxing a window over and over? :)
[06:39] <Nuked> Dr_willis: clean windows reboot did the trick
[06:39] <crdlb> Dr_willis, I just tried them one-by-one back in the day :)
[06:39] <prakriti> arrgggg
[06:39] <prakriti> blacklist fails me :(
[06:39] <prakriti> or i fail
[06:39] <Dr_willis> prakriti,  this isent 'talk like a pirate day....' :)
[06:39] <Nuked> yarrrrrrg
[06:40] <usser> ahoy matey
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Well time to go Shiver Me Timber! and walk the poopdeck!
[06:40] <Dr_willis> night.
[06:40] <prakriti> :(
[06:40] <usser> hahaha
[06:40] <Madpilot> irritated bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/150443
[06:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150443 in compiz "Compiz in Gutsy Beta: No workspace switching with mousewheel" [Undecided,New]
[06:40] <Nuked> night
[06:40] <prakriti> I can't get my proc higher that 700mhz :9
[06:40] <prakriti> ubotu : mine works
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mine works - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <prakriti> :(
[06:41] <usser> prakriti: its probably scaling, make your comp do something cpu intense it'll rise
[06:41] <Madpilot> prakriti: ubotu is a bot
[06:41] <prakriti> it is usser
[06:41] <dfgas> anyone use virtualbox on gusty?
[06:41] <prakriti> Madpilot : figured that one out
[06:41] <prakriti> usser : but the scaling is borked iwth my chip
[06:41] <usser> prakriti: it is doing intense stuff?
[06:41] <prakriti> apperendly
[06:41] <Nuked> nay dfgas
[06:42] <Nuked> virtualbox is moste unclean
[06:42] <usser> most unclean :)
[06:42] <usser> lol
[06:42] <dfgas> ?
[06:42] <dfgas> what do you mean?
[06:43] <Nuked> usser: spelt it that way on purpose
[06:43] <usser> dfgas: he means its evil
[06:43] <usser> pure evil
[06:43] <dfgas> no one likes virtualbox?
[06:43] <Nuked> I was kidding dfgas
[06:43] <dfgas> what do you suggest?
[06:43] <dfgas> ahh
[06:43] <prakriti> usser : it thinks my chip's max freq is 700mhz
[06:43] <dfgas> i was having problems with it a few weeks ago. it would just lock up
[06:43] <dfgas> ahh
[06:44] <dfgas> it has mine # 3.04ghz
[06:44] <dfgas> @
[06:44] <prakriti> I can't force it higher, with feisty I eventually had to remove the modules from the boot image
[06:44] <LiMaO> dfgas: i use it and like it
[06:45] <prakriti> I hoped they would fix it with gutsy.
[06:45] <dfgas> are/were you using version 1.5?
[06:45] <LiMaO> dfgas: yes, on gutsy 64bit
[06:45] <LiMaO> and it works perfectly, except for the usb stuff
[06:46] <prakriti> If I install 64bit, will it be a pain to run things like doom3 or other binaries?
[06:46] <prakriti> or impossible?
[06:46] <dfgas> i had problems with 64bit
[06:46] <LiMaO> dfgas: which problems?
[06:46] <dfgas> never tried on this machine, but my amd lapop i did
[06:46] <dfgas> wireless problems
[06:46] <LiMaO> everything works just great in here.. except for that java plugin for firefox, which is inexistant
[06:46] <dfgas> drivers not working right for the wireless
[06:47] <dfgas> i have never used it on this machine
[06:47] <dfgas> pentium d 920 2.8ghz @ 3.04
[06:47] <LiMaO> prakriti: never tried to load doom3 in here
[06:48] <LiMaO> dfgas: and what's wrong with your virtualbox? or nothing at all
[06:49] <dfgas> did you have lock up problems a few weeks ago
[06:49] <DanaG> On 32-bit.  If you have 64-bit, it's out of my field.
[06:49] <dfgas> i use xp home on here
[06:49] <DanaG> I was having the host periodically freezing with nvidia, but I fixed it by installing irqbalance.
[06:50] <LiMaO> dfgas: i used to have it running on a 32bit feisty.. just installed it again today, on this 64bit gutsy
[06:50] <DanaG> I haven't noticed anything broken with Virtualbox 1.5.0, except for freezes on VM resume or on host resume from sleep.
[06:51] <LiMaO> DanaG: usb isn't working correctly if you run vbox on gutsy
[06:51] <DanaG> Oh, and I had high CPU usage on it, until I fixed a separate BSOD this way: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Freidablog.blogspot.com%2F2006%2F05%2Fvirtual-pcs-crashing-with-intelppmsys.html&ei=MrcJR6-xFp2QgAPq-LWpCA&usg=AFQjCNERZS-qOIzPFE0vtRNp9yhR4XTJDg&sig2=F9JZN7QNGNHoqoThxfB9Vg
[06:51] <DanaG> argh, dang googlified links.
[06:52] <LiMaO> gotta sleep now.. see ya all tomorrow
[06:52] <LiMaO> good night everyone
[06:52] <DanaG> Oh, I think you need to add something to fstab.
[06:52] <DanaG> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=46,devmode=664 0 0
[06:52] <dfgas> i use about 24-30% of one core with vbox
[06:53] <DanaG> I was using 100% of one until I disabled IO-APIC and the processor.sys/intelppm.sys drivers.
[06:53] <DanaG> Oh, and don't let the guest install the intel microcode update before you disable those two drivers.
[06:53] <prakriti> how do i regenerate my boot image after deleting modules?
[06:54] <TheRepacker> if you are having freezes with nvidia, there is a known problem with 100.14.11 and 14.19 drivers, you have to go back to the 14.09 drive or one of the 96XX drivers
[06:54] <TheRepacker> bug is 145112
[06:56] <TheRepacker> throttling will only work sometime
[06:57] <FunnyLookinHat> is evince crashing for anyone else whenever you try to open a pdf on gutsy?
[06:57] <dfgas> hmmm
[06:59] <burns1111> PDFs seem to be working for me with Evince (on Gutsy)
[07:01] <DanaG> I'm using 14.19, but I haven't had any freezes lately.
[07:01] <DanaG> Give irqbalance a try.
[07:01] <DanaG> Now the only freezing I get is the bogging down when under heavy I/O load.
[07:05] <srbaker> folks
[07:06] <srbaker> having trouble with my gutsy install
[07:06] <srbaker> . /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore calls /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore
[07:06] <Zoffix> Hi, I am wondering why `man foo` always displays "No manual page for that entry". Even `man kill` displays that. Is there a special package that needs to be installed now?
[07:06] <srbaker> the latter doesn't exist
[07:07] <srbaker> startx works, but gdm doesn't
[07:13] <TheRepacker> I'm running 9636 on the 64 kernel, been over a week with no freezes, but still having pbolems with the generic kernel so I'll give it a trial, because I made the mistake of installing the 19 driver
[07:16] <jack|ass> Is there a fix for Firefox dying randomly when not in 24-bit color mode?
[07:16] <RAOF> jack|ass: Probably to not use flash, I'd guess.
[07:17] <jack|ass> RAOF: is it a flash issue?  even when i removed the flash plugins it continued to do this.
[07:18] <RAOF> jack|ass: Oh, then maybe it isn't a flash issue.  That was just my first guess.
[07:19] <jack|ass> RAOF: flash works in 24-bit color, so i dunno...  Is it possible to manually install Compiz-Fusion on Gusty? My desktop-effects won't work (my video card is blacklisted, but it worked in Fiesty with compiz-fusion)
[07:23] <RAOF> alecwh: You can set SKIP_CHECKS to 1, I believe, to get around the blacklist.
[07:23] <alex_mayorga_> Hi, can somebody help with Bug #146706
[07:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[07:23] <alecwh> RAOF, how can I do that? :)
[07:23] <RAOF> However, your card is obviously blakcllisted for a reason, probably because Xv won't work with it :).
[07:23] <prakriti> is there a known issue with cifs?
[07:24] <alecwh> Xv won't work on it.
[07:24] <alecwh> ROAF: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[07:24] <alecwh> ROAF: But my video card worked PERFECTLY with fiesty + compiz-fusion...
[07:25] <RAOF> alecwh: So, you want to create a file ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager.
[07:26] <alecwh> Ok. And ROAF, even though Xv isn't supported, will it still run?
[07:26] <RAOF> alecwh: In that file, you put "SKIP_CHECKS=yes".  And all the compatibility checks are bypassed.
[07:26] <alecwh> ROAF: ~ just means the home folder right?
[07:26] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:26] <prakriti> did cifs change any: retrying with upper case share name
[07:26] <prakriti> mount error 6 = No such device or address
[07:26] <alecwh> Yes to what? :D
[07:26] <prakriti> I can't get any of my shares to mount
[07:27] <prakriti> hrm
[07:27] <RAOF> alecwh: Yes to "~ = $HOME".  Not just top, but the one that shows all running processes
[07:28] <pvh> Madpilot: try "ps aux"
[07:31] <Madpilot> thnx
[07:31] <alecwh> ROAF, do you know if Beryl will work?
[07:31] <Ximal__> hello
[07:32] <Madpilot> WTF? "ps aux | grep synaptic" shows three instances of synaptic running?
[07:32] <RAOF> alecwh: Yes, beryl will have the same problem.
[07:32] <Ximal__> anyone else notice the broken ubuntu.irc server ?
[07:32] <RAOF> alecwh: It's a problem with your graphics card drivers.
[07:32] <Ximal__> ..
[07:32] <alecwh> ROAF: Is there a chance that the problem will be fixed? Can I JUST have the cube?
[07:32] <Ximal__> would someone kick my Ximal and XImal _ alias please
[07:32] <george__> ps aux | grep synaptic
[07:33] <george__> damn
[07:33] <Madpilot> Ximal__: irc.ubuntu.com is just a forward to Freenode
[07:33] <Ximal__> aye i just noticed..
[07:33] <Ximal__> i keep timing out while being forwarded and flung into freenode's mirror irc servers.. lol
[07:34] <pvh> Madpilot: weird
[07:34] <Ximal> finally..
[07:34] <Ximal> well.. Im installing a dual boot onto my laptop
[07:34] <Ximal> Everything but the wireless config is working perfect..
[07:34] <pvh> Ximal: suspend / hibernate?
[07:34] <Ximal> anyone here feel like helping me fix it once the install is done ?
[07:35] <Madpilot> pvh: even stranger, 'sudo killall synaptic' won't kill 'em
[07:35] <RAOF> alecwh: The problem is being fixed now, but is highly experimental.  It may make Hardy, or it may not.   :( Thanks for your help anyway!
[07:36] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, any pointers on Bug #146706
[07:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146706 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Live cd graphics fail with nvidia geforce4 440 go " [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146706
[07:36] <cdm10> Can I delete the .crash files in /var/crash?
[07:36] <cdm10> Do they ever get autocleared?
[07:36] <Madpilot> pvh: even with -9, ps aux | grep synaptic right after shows synaptic still running
[07:36] <pvh> what's the status?
[07:37] <pvh> Z?
[07:37] <alex_mayorga_> cdm10, are all these reported already?
[07:37] <Madpilot> pvh: S or Ds
[07:37] <Ximal> hmm... my laptop keeps hanging on the install at imprting documents and settings,,,
[07:37] <cdm10> alex_mayorga_: Some of them. Some of them I didn't report because I crashed it the same way twice or something.
[07:37] <pvh> Madpilot: can you kill -9 the individual pids?
[07:38] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Looks like the "nv" driver is broken on your chip.  There's nothing much more you can do, except for installing from the alternate CD and installing the nvidia-glx drivers.
[07:38] <Madpilot> pvh: nope. I get "no process killed" for all three pids
[07:38] <alex_mayorga_> cdm10, I really don't know if they're autocleared
[07:38] <cdm10> alex_mayorga_: Alright, I guess I'll delete them.
[07:39] <pvh> Madpilot: i seem to remember D is a Bad Thing
[07:39] <Ximal> hmm
[07:39] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, so I try to reinstall nvidia-glx* and pray?
[07:39] <Ximal> if it's hanging at importing documents and settings
[07:39] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Reinstall?
[07:39] <pvh> Madpilot: yeah, D is uninterruptable sleep
[07:40] <pvh> Madpilot: waiting on IO, usually
[07:40] <Ximal> is there a way i can go into text install mode to ensure no hanging or crashing ? during install to the laptop.. i can't get it to run install ?
[07:40] <pvh> Madpilot: just out of curiosity, you aren't using a reiser4 partition, are you?
[07:40] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, it wast working just fine before the latest updates, with compiz and all
[07:40] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Ah.  Right, so the bug you linked isn't what you're seeing.
[07:41] <Madpilot> pvh: no partiton at all - this is a livecd
[07:41] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, I saw the rainbow thing at first, but I guess I've done some progress, bulletproof got me back to 800*600
[07:42] <pvh> Madpilot: sounds like something's glitched with CD read to me.
[07:42] <alex_mayorga_> but I'm using vesa now
[07:42] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: So, the bug you've commented on is definitely not your problem (since the live CD doesn't use the nvidia drivers).
[07:42] <pvh> Madpilot: i managed to hang a bunch of processes with D status when i was hacking in the filesystem a few years back
[07:42] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[07:43] <Madpilot> pvh: likely, but this ISO checked clean in md5, and the CD checked clean when I ran the LiveCD's own "Check This CD" bit
[07:43] <pvh> Madpilot: is this reproducable?
[07:43] <HHornblower> anyone have experience with keyboard mapS? I loSt my lowercaSe S key
[07:43] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, do I file other bug?
[07:43] <Madpilot> pvh: no idea. I'm going to restart this computer w/ the same LiveCD in and see what I get
[07:43] <Ximal> wait..
[07:43] <HHornblower> will not reSpond.
[07:43] <Ximal> madpilot
[07:43] <Ximal> what's the issue
[07:43] <Ximal> let me know what it is..
[07:44] <Ximal> i've gone through alot of fixes.. they're fresh in me mind.. might be able to shed light on ya..
[07:44] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, I have 1:<IP_ADDRESS>~git20070727-0ubuntu3 of it
[07:44] <pvh> Madpilot: that might do the trick. good luck.
[07:44] <Madpilot> Ximal: pvh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/150434
[07:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150434 in synaptic "synaptic/apt-get/Add/Remove errors on Gutsy Beta LiveCD" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[07:45] <Ximal> checking it now
[07:45] <Ximal> hold
[07:46] <pvh> Madpilot: is that your bug?
[07:47] <Madpilot> pvh: yes
[07:48] <pvh> Madpilot: yeah... i'd chalk it up to General Weirdness unless you can reproduce it again, and if so, definitely give a step-by-step account of how
[07:48] <pvh> Madpilot: good luck at any rate, i'm off.
[07:48] <Madpilot> ya. will restart w/ the same livecd, and see what I get
[07:48] <Madpilot> back later
[07:48] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Hm, so it's probable that you're seeing an Xgl problem.  You should be able to remove Xgl, or temporarily disable it (make a ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable file)
[07:48] <Ximal> ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu
[07:48] <Ximal> crud.. he left..
[07:49] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, a touch and reboot?
[07:49] <Ximal> was going to show him how to use a network install to insure all his packages are safely installed..and to do a live boot via network ;)
[07:49] <Ximal> hehe
[07:49] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: A touch and logout.
[07:49] <alex_mayorga_> OK
[07:49] <alex_mayorga_> trying
[07:50] <alka_trash> anyone know a fix for the ATI fglrx hibernation issue?
[07:50] <alka_trash> or konw if there is going to be a fix for gutsy?
[07:52] <alex_mayorga_> RAOF, anything I should do after logout?
[07:52] <RAOF> No, just log back in.
[07:53] <RAOF> Oh, this won't do anything if you're using VESA, I suppose :)
[07:53] <alex_mayorga_> ???  No such file or directory
[07:53] <alka_trash> yeah :(
[07:54] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: You probably need to create the ~/.config/xserver-xgl directory first :)
[07:55] <alex_mayorga_> ok, dir created, file touched, then?
[07:55] <RAOF> alex_mayorga_: Then switch back to nvidia, logout & log back in.
[07:56] <Ximal> would anyone mind explaining something to me please ? I can't get the install of gutsy to finish on my laptop ... I noticed it hangs at the part where it imports documents and settings..
[07:56] <xid> is there a known issue with gutsy hanging during install from livecd?
[07:56] <RAOF> That will see you not using Xgl, which means you'll probably see a different problem, or possibly no problem at all :)
[07:56] <Ximal> it hangs at 88%
[07:56] <alex_mayorga_> logging of
[07:56] <xid> Ximal: I'm getting that same problem
[07:56] <Ximal> is there any way around the importing of documents ?
[07:56] <xid> Ximal: only at 94%
[07:56] <Ximal> i'm install on a laptop Xid ?
[07:56] <Ximal> you ?
[07:56] <xid> Ximal: yes laptop
[07:57] <Ximal> hmm
[07:58] <Ximal> gateway.. one year old.. yours ?
[07:58] <xid> maybe I shouldn't be using Gutsy, it's my first time with Kubuntu
[07:58] <h1st0> Bout to give gutsy another go around hopefully some of the lockups are gone.
[07:58] <Ximal> and are you dual installing.. leaving old windows partition on the hd ?
[07:58] <xid> Ximal: no, I told it to wipe
[07:58] <Ximal> hmmm
[07:58] <xid> Ximal: one partition
[07:58] <Ximal> what process are you on then ?
[07:59] <xid> Ximal: how do I tell?  It just says it's checking for installion files at 94"
[07:59] <xid> 94%
[07:59] <Ximal> ahh
[07:59] <Ximal> well i'm hung at the importing documents .. settings
[07:59] <Ximal> I'm going to go one installation lower and see what it does
[07:59] <Ximal> and see if it notices the wireless adapter
[07:59] <Ximal> that's all i'm worried about really ;)
[07:59] <xid> I accidentally closed the monitor, might have screwed it up thinking it was going to sleep
[07:59] <xid> so maybe that's why
[08:00] <Ximal> nah
[08:00] <Ximal> buntu doesn't have that initially as an option
[08:00] <Ximal> it's something i notice you set up..
[08:00] <Ximal> i haven't closed mine and i've tried 4 times installing
[08:00] <Ximal> brb
[08:00] <riotkittie> i hang at the partitioning, and at the migration using the live cd. i'm not on a laptop. :P
[08:00] <xid> I'm not sure I want to use KDE anyways... I like some of the apps, but I think I might like Gnome too
[08:01] <riotkittie> or at least i did before i turned my external eSATA off :|
[08:01] <Ximal> AHHH
[08:01] <Ximal> i figured it out
[08:01] <Ximal> hahahaha
[08:01] <Ximal> omg hahaha
[08:01] <Ximal> funny..
[08:01] <Ximal> is your laptop amd ?
[08:01] <Ximal> or something regular ?
[08:01] <xid> Ximal: nope Intel
[08:02] <xid> Ximal: you using the wrong build?
[08:02] <Ximal> ok then you need the alternative or x86 architectures
[08:02] <Ximal> i need to download the amd install cd
[08:02] <Ximal> haha
[08:02] <Ximal> no freaking wander !
[08:02] <frostburn> ?
[08:02] <frostburn> Ximal, what processor do you have
[08:02] <whta> how much generally changes between the beta release and the RC?
[08:02] <xid> Ximal: shouldn't it tell you before it starts copying files that it's the wrong architecture?
[08:03] <riotkittie> doesnt the live cd = x86
[08:03] <Ximal> i have a amd processor on my gateway
[08:03] <frostburn> amd = x86
[08:04] <Ximal> hmm..
[08:04] <frostburn> amd64 = either intel 64bit or amd 64 bit
[08:04] <Ximal> it's one of the newer ones..
[08:04] <Ximal> last year model
[08:04] <Ximal> forgot how to check
[08:04] <frostburn> are you on the computer now?
[08:04] <Ximal> maybe i should try the alternative cd ?
[08:04] <Ximal> no
[08:04] <Ximal> i'm using my tower buntu installation
[08:04] <Ximal> the one that worked
[08:04] <Ximal> i keep hanging frost.. at the importing documents..
[08:05] <tekhawk> looks like the last of the updates are just polish now
[08:05] <Ximal> it won't let me go into the installation options and keep it from doing certain things to keep the hang from happening.. but live boot works like a charm except for the wireless
[08:05] <frostburn> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:05] <Ximal> I think it's trying to import my rescue partition settings etc.. which makes it hang
[08:05] <Ximal> do that in terminal ?
[08:06] <frostburn> for the processor info
[08:06] <Ximal> yeah
[08:07] <Ximal> it's AMD Athrlong(tm) 64 Processor
[08:07] <Ximal> so 64 bit
[08:07] <Ximal> right ?
[08:07] <Ximal> says clflushsize 64
[08:07] <Ximal> err model name says
[08:07] <Ximal> model name : Mobile AMD Athlon (tm) 64 Prcoessor 4000+
[08:08] <frostburn> so yes, when you burn the new cd, make sure to burn it slowly
[08:08] <frostburn> and wireless may not work out of the box depending on the chipset
[08:08] <Ximal> i never burn above 2 or 4x
[08:08] <Ximal> i don't care if it works.. as long as the wireless card is noticed..
[08:08] <Ximal> that allows for reconfiguring etc
[08:08] <Cobain> ok how do i burn an iso via cli?
[08:09] <Ximal> even possibly getting ndiswrapper to work etc for it if i have to..
[08:09] <Ximal> being barbaric as wrapper is
[08:09] <Cobain> burn -I blah.iso errors out
[08:11] <Ximal> thanks frost.. u helped out.. going to try it
[08:11] <alecwh> I'm messing around with the login screen, and I'm at "Plain with face browser". I set a really cool background color, but right after I click "Login", it will go to orange (like the human theme) and then go to my background color. Can someone help?
[08:11] <alecwh> It's really ugly.
[08:15] <Ximal> gotta love 600kb a second download speeds from the buntu site ;)
[08:19] <freezerburn> Guys.... Gutsy melts faces!!
[08:20] <Tomcat_> :O
[08:20] <freezerburn> Finally got it running with compiz-fusion and awsome dark theme
[08:20] <freezerburn> awesome
[08:20] <Tomcat_> :-)
[08:21] <freezerburn> only thing that sucked was it took me all weekend to install if a few times and get things right seeing as I'm a noob
[08:22] <Tomcat_> Well, gutsy's not really made for noobs yet. ;)
[08:22] <Tomcat_> But I guess you learned a couple of things in the process. :-)
[08:22] <usser> pfuh
[08:22] <freezerburn> Yeah, guess the only way to learn is getting down and dirty
[08:22] <Myrth[home] > hi, my laptop supports 1024x768 and i'm trying to increase resolution of console mode. in /boot/grub/menu.lst kopt=vga=791 does nothing and if i put in kernel line vga=791 it shows only blinking cursor in 80x25 mode.. what can i do? thanks
[08:23] <Ximal> freexz
[08:23] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : well you can add it to defoptions line and try different color depths ex: 792
[08:23] <Ximal> i haven't used linux is 7+ years and i got it running and up in under 3 hours on my tower..
[08:23] <Ximal> only problem is my laptop
[08:24] <h1st0> Ximal: whats wrong with the laptop
[08:24] <Ximal> wrong distro
[08:24] <Ximal> just figured i got an 64 bit..
[08:24] <Ximal> from amd..
[08:24] <Ximal> so not downloading the proper iso ..
[08:24] <Ximal> going to try it next..
[08:25] <Myrth[home] > h1st0: thanks i'll try
[08:25] <Tomcat_> You mean you're downloading i386?
[08:25] <Ximal> no the 64 bit iso
[08:25] <nox-Hand> How comes it says all my repos cant be authenticated?
[08:25] <Tomcat_> You know... 1) i386 will work as well, 2) i386 will have less problems with binary-only software
[08:25] <Ximal> ughh
[08:25] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : defoptions will apend it to the default kernel
[08:25] <nox-Hand> IT's the archive.ubuntu.com gutsy repo
[08:25] <Tomcat_> Though amd64 is much cooler of course.
[08:26] <frostburn> Tomcat_, what binary only software?
[08:26] <freezerburn> frostburn?
[08:26] <frostburn> ?
[08:26] <Tomcat_> frostburn: Adobe Flash Player for example. That's probably the worst one... :)
[08:26] <freezerburn> My name is better :D
[08:27] <frostburn> Tomcat_, mine works fine with the wrapper
[08:27] <frostburn> i've had mine since 2001 =P
[08:27] <Tomcat_> Well, is it easy to set up these days? I don't even like to mess around for 5 minutes for something as basic... :I
[08:27] <freezerburn> I've had mine since 97 when I used Virtual Places for chat client
[08:27] <Myrth[home] > h1st0: i wonder if there's a list of available modes somewhere...
[08:27] <Myrth[home] > h1st0: is there a way to try a mode in runtime or have to reboot?
[08:27] <Tomcat_> Last time I've tried you still had to get a 32-bit Firefox on amd64, and that was a pain.
[08:27] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : sure just google grub vga codes
[08:28] <frostburn> Tomcat_, just install flashplugin-nonfree and if you're running amd64 it auto installs it with a wrapper
[08:28] <Tomcat_> frostburn: !!!
[08:28] <Tomcat_> Wow.
[08:28] <h1st0> Myrth[home] : I'm sure doing it runtime can be done but no idea how to do it.
[08:28] <Tomcat_> I'll definitely try that today or tomorrow.
[08:32] <Ximal> writing the image now..
[08:39] <sfasfd> i have 2 gutsy boxes 1 with internet connection 1 without ... if i cp /var/cache/apt/*deb on the non internet box than i have all the deb files but the updater doesn't know what to upgrade ... so what file do i have to cp to upgrade without internet connection?
[08:45] <DanaG> !info apt-zeroconf
[08:46] <ubotu> Package apt-zeroconf does not exist in gutsy
[08:46] <DanaG> !apt-zeroconf
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-zeroconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:46] <chronographer> !moo
[08:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <riotkittie> hm. i used to know the command but it escapes me
[08:50] <riotkittie> can you use synaptic and generate a package download script?
[08:51] <riotkittie> and then add the cd to your repos, and 'add downloaded packages'
[08:52] <sfasfd>  all i need to know is where apt-get update writes to
[08:56] <level1_> hi, konqueror connects to the internet when i use a gui utility like knetworkmanager, but I've written a script that will autoconnect to the internet without guis, and konqueror isn't able to load pages after that.  firefox works.
[08:56] <level1_> who should I ask about this?
[09:00] <cellofellow> I'm having trouble with SANE. This scanner worked (on another computer) with Feisty. Now it isn't detected by SANE in Gutsy. What's up?
[09:02] <_dan_> maybe its powered down
[09:03] <nikin> hy
[09:05] <cellofellow> nope
[09:05] <nikin> i upgraded, and with the ew kernel vga=791 is not working, and i can not mount my partitions, only /
[09:05] <nikin> any idea?
[09:06] <frostburn> specific errors would be nice, or just use the last kernel that worked
[09:08] <level1_> whats the actual command that suspends the computer (to ram)?
[09:09] <Ximal> ok.. haha.. it's hung on importing documents and settings agin on the laptop install
[09:10] <Ximal> again * rather..
[09:11] <nikin> frostburn: in wich logfile should i look for the mount errors?
[09:12] <frostburn> nikin, if it can't be mounted, there will be no log.  you'll have to use pen and paper =P
[09:12] <Ximal> ewww
[09:12] <frostburn> Ximal, maybe go make a sandwich while it's doing it
[09:12] <Ximal> hardcopy
[09:13] <frostburn> watched teapot etc
[09:13] <Ximal> bah... frost ... i'll let it set overnight and almost bet on it not finishing
[09:13] <Ximal> it sat like this for over 2 hours earlier
[09:13] <Ximal> with my tower it was under 45 minutes for everything to be done.. maybe 1 and a half hourse
[09:13] <cellofellow> frostburn: no errors, just no scanner found lalala.
[09:13] <nikin> frostburn: / can be mounted..... (sda1) , just nothing else
[09:13] <Ximal> i wish there was a status tab.. it doesn't even have that.. lol
[09:14] <frostburn> nikin, dmesg
[09:14] <frostburn> !stages | cellofellow
[09:14] <ubotu> cellofellow: The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[09:14] <frostburn> the module may not be updated yet, if it worked in a previous kernel, use that for now, i suppose
[09:15] <frostburn> or you can track down to see what module is being used, compile it yourself
[09:15] <Ximal> or install the restricted legacy driver
[09:15] <Ximal> so u can boot.. and then the proper driver there after ;) ?
[09:15] <Ximal> or am i wrong frost ?
[09:17] <Ximal> * shuts up * * smacks head for being newbie tryign to give advice.. hehe *
[09:17] <frostburn> well it's not an x problem, it's a module for a specific scanner
[09:17] <frostburn> but the same idea
[09:20] <jmworx> Is the decision to enable effects by default in Gusty irreversible. I can't help but think that'll generate a *lot* of complaints (starting from me)
[09:20] <jmworx> s/from/with/
[09:21] <RAOF> jmworx: Not irreversible, but why would you complain?  It's trivial to turn them off.
[09:21] <frostburn> they aren't enabled by default
[09:21] <RAOF> frostburn: They are if your graphics card/drivers supports them properly :)
[09:24] <jmworx> RAOF: The problem is that 1) I had to realise the problem was with desktop effects (two reboot necessary) and then I got a crash while trying to disable it (one extra reboot).
[09:25] <cellofellow> scanner issues, not graphics. Those work.
[09:25] <cellofellow> just used other computer with Feisty. No issues.
[09:26] <RAOF> jmworx: So, they don't work for you.  Please file a bug.
[09:26] <RAOF> jmworx: So it's not that you object to them being on by default, just that they don't *work* :)
[09:27] <Madpilot> what's the name of the full-blown crapiz options dialogue?
[09:27] <jmworx> RAOF: Also, considering that 3D acceleration is recommended (needed?) to get the desktop effects and that 1) it's (AFAIK) know buggy on Intel chipset and 2) None of ATI / nvidia have OSS drivers 3) Many of the ATI drivers that still have 3D (like mine) are buggy as well, I really don't see the point
[09:27] <RAOF> compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:27] <jmworx> RAOF: Didn't have to file a bug, I just added a "me too" to a long launchpad entry.
[09:28] <RAOF> jmworx: (1) Buggy drivers are blacklisted (2) ATI < x850 have OSS drivers, (3) Compiz works fine on the nvidia restricted drivers, and won't try to start on the fglrx drivers.
[09:28] <threethirty> hello all
[09:29] <jmworx> RAOF: I accept the fact that it can be buggy (hey, any new feature is and in this case part of it is outside of Ubuntu devs control). I think it's a bit stupid to enable it by default and make people's machine crash until they realise that's the problem.
[09:29] <frostburn> i wouldn't say they work fine with nvidia restricted, i still get compiz hangs
[09:29] <riotkittie> yay. more weirdness.
[09:29] <jmworx> RAOF: 2) I have an OSS ATI driver ... and it crashes.
[09:30] <threethirty> I have a real quick question will installing tonights updates to the ATi and Intel graphics drivers effect me, I'm using the nvidia-glx?
[09:30] <RAOF> jmworx: Compiz shouldn't be crashing your system.  It's not substantially more buggy than other parts of the system (but it does expose bugs in drivers, and those drivers are blacklisted)
[09:30] <riotkittie> i was messing around with compiz when x barfed. i alt + ctrl + bkspced to the login screen and it was fine.
[09:31] <jmworx> Wouldn't the right solution be to either 1) Ask "do you want desktop effects (it looks nice but can crash your machine)" or 2) Install the packages, but disable it by default and let people enable it if they want.
[09:31] <riotkittie> i logged in. and my screen is insane. its like i've been resizing it via the monitor controls, though i havent. also, there's like a half inch gap from where things appear, to where they respond to mouse clicks
[09:32] <jmworx> RAOF: OK, so technically, it's not a kernel crash, but the only options I have when it "crashes" are "push the power button for 5 sec" or "hit Alt-SysRq-b". Even Ctrl-Alt-Backspace doesn't work.
[09:32] <RAOF> jmworx: Basically, no.  Asking is bad - how do you know whether or not you want something you've never seen before?
[09:32] <riotkittie> clicking on the applications menu ... opens my terminal menu. :T
[09:32] <RAOF> jmworx: So *please* file a crash bug.  Compiz should work on your card, and if it doesn't, we need to know the details so we can blacklist it.
[09:32] <jmworx> RAOF: or maybe warning then... "We're enabling desktop effects on your system. If it crashes, do this to disable it"
[09:33] <jmworx> RAOF: Here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/115283
[09:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115283 in desktop-effects "random system freeze when desktop-effects activated" [Undecided,New]
[09:33] <jmworx> Someone filed it a couple months ago and it's still enabled by default
[09:34] <threethirty> jmworx: use the old mother/father/gramma thing, that would scare the crap out of those people
[09:34] <hfmls> hi
[09:34] <hfmls> can anyone please help me how to activate bluetooth in a notebook
[09:34] <jmworx> threethirty: Use the old what???
[09:34] <hfmls> http://growing.pt/site_produto_info.php?prod_id=5610&lang=pt this one
[09:35] <threethirty> jmorx, the what would those listed above do if they got that message, sry i want's ver y clear
[09:35] <threethirty> jmorx, wow i wish i could type
[09:37] <jmworx> threethirty: What would grandma do if she had the same laptop as I have? I bet she would think. "Wow, these Ubuntu guys are good, their free system is almost as stable as Windows ME!".
[09:37] <riotkittie> ahh. much better. but ugh, that was weird.
[09:38] <Madpilot> So, where in the giant messy compiz-super-options-thing is "Increase # of desktops above 2"?
[09:38] <riotkittie> now if i could only remember what i was doing when it came on
[09:38] <riotkittie> Madpilot: uh. General Options > desktop size
[09:38] <riotkittie> i think
[09:38] <jmworx> Madpilot: compiz is the future. Nobody uses more than 2 desktops in the future.
[09:39] <riotkittie> i was using four. until i was so cruely robbed of them.
[09:39] <Madpilot> Oh Dog, another huge set of options buried there. If I wanted this many tabs and such, I'd already be using KDE... (not entirely kidding...)
[09:39] <DanaG> Oh wait, don't use alt-sysrq-b until you've done other things first.
[09:39] <DanaG> For example, 'k'.
[09:39] <riotkittie> hahah. isnt it horrid? :|
[09:40] <threethirty> jmworx, what i think they should do is put a video on the desktop titled something like "see what you can do" make it a short informational how to and show what is possible with the distro as a whole, what fusion can do, and how to enable it
[09:40] <DanaG> then Renice, tErminate, kIll all, Sync, Unmount, Boot.    Wait for hard drive activity to subside after a while after each of those.
[09:40] <threethirty> jmworx, or make it play durring the install like old redhat installs did, they were only stills, but very informative
[09:41] <Madpilot> riotkittie: it really is. KDE-style dialogue boxen invade Gnome.  The problem with the current setup is that you experience crashes, have little hope of knowing what causes them (unless you're quite familiar with Linux already) and even if you do, finding the option to disable it isn't exactly easy.
[09:41] <DanaG> I mean, WTF?  Where the heck is "Options!".
[09:42] <DanaG> Do people not need to change settings?
[09:42] <riotkittie> gnome-screensaver is so completely useless
[09:42] <DanaG> (/me prematurely stifles the rest of his rant.)
[09:42] <Madpilot> DanaG: yah, there's some Gnome apps that go too far the other way - gnome-screensaver being the prize in that crowd - but generally I find the gnome dialogue boxes fairly well organized. Compiz's big manager aint.
[09:42] <wabiD> is there a way to force the sidebar to open below the tab bar in firefox
[09:43] <DanaG> It runs the rss-glx screensavers at a siezure-inducing, nausea-inducing, CPU-devouring non-niced 500FPS.
[09:43] <frostburn> DanaG, what exactly did irqbalance do?
[09:43] <RAOF> DanaG: Bug filed?  That's quite a good point, it'd be easy to fix (probably).
[09:43] <DanaG> I'm not sure, but it seems to be different subjectively.  It's for balancing IRQs between different CPUs or cores.
[09:43] <threethirty> jmworx, i can't argue that point, but i really think that if we dont have a 3d desktop by default soon ill never hear the end of it from my mac friends
[09:43] <hfmls> how can i see if my bluetooth is recognized/installed ?
[09:43] <DanaG> Any of you have rss-glx installed?  Try this: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/solarwinds
[09:44] <jmworx> RAOF: anyway, so it you don't want to be chased by a hoard of angry Linux grandmas, desktop effects should really be either disabled by default or *very* easy to disable... or maybe automatically disabled if Ubuntu detects a crash?
[09:44] <threethirty> hfmls, isn't there an app in applications->accessories for that (i dunno i dont have bluetooth)
[09:44] <frostburn> hfmls, test a connection? bluetooth preferences under system -> pref
[09:44] <DanaG> Give it a try.
[09:44] <DanaG> I've modified Flux to use framerate limit of 60, nice, and --regular preset.
[09:45] <hfmls> it even activate
[09:45] <hfmls> bluetooth
[09:45] <hfmls> can't even
[09:45] <hfmls> the light wont turn on
[09:45] <riotkittie>  i love the gnome screensaver dev's reply to the bug report about it
[09:45] <jmworx> threethirty: Seriously, how useful is it to have transparent dialogs that popup in a way you can read neither the dialog nor what's under it. At this point it's a system stability vs eyecandy decision and I can't understand why the latter got chosen.
[09:45] <riotkittie> "My view is that any screensaver theme
[09:45] <riotkittie> that requires configuration is inherently broken"
[09:46] <RAOF> riotkittie: Seems reasonable to me.  An xscreensaver hack theme generator is on my TODO list :)
[09:46] <RAOF> jmworx: That is by no means the default settings.
[09:46] <Madpilot> riotkittie: gnome-screensaver dev might well be insane. Only explanation for that opinion I can think of.
[09:46] <jmworx> Oh well, it'll be fun to watch the reviews with Gusty comes out...
[09:46] <DanaG> But try those rss-glx ones.....
[09:47] <RAOF> DanaG: Cool, tried with --maxfps 60.  Bug filed?
[09:47] <jmworx> RAOF: What isn't the default setting? (effects definitely were enabled by default on that laptop I have)
[09:47] <DanaG> I had to manually edit /usr/share/applications/screensavers.
[09:47] <RAOF> jmworx: "how useful is it to have transparent dialogs that popup in a way you can read neither the dialog nor what's under it"
[09:47] <DanaG> Oh, and compare Flux with random preset to Flux with Regular preset.
[09:47] <Madpilot> Well, I just confirmed that Muine is still broken in Gutsy Beta. Meh.
[09:48] <DanaG> The regular preset is quite soothing -- and I think it's far better than any other preset, and far better than Apple's Flurry.
[09:48] <schreder> what happened to modprobe after latest update? And why is my wireless card not working? :P
[09:48] <schreder> sudo modprobe ipw3945
[09:48] <schreder> sh: /sbin/ipw3945d-2.6.22-13-generic: not found
[09:48] <schreder> FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945
[09:48] <RAOF> Madpilot: It depends on how much you stress the "requires".  He's not arguing that you shouldn't be able to configure it, just that if the defaults don't work, you need better defaults :)
[09:48] <RAOF> schreder: You haven't installed linux-restricted-modules for your kernel?
[09:49] <jmworx> RAOF: Maybe I exaggerated a bit, but that behaviour I was describing *is* the default.
[09:49] <DanaG> Actually, I need to go take a shower and then go to bed.  Perhaps I'll file the bug tomorrow.
[09:49] <Madpilot> RAOF: I can't argue with that, but a number of the screensavers do require some sort of interaction - even if it's just deciding how many bouncing cows you want to watch :)
[09:49] <DanaG> Or deciding where to get pictures.
[09:50] <jmworx> RAOF: or maybe it's just the state it froze in, though.
[09:50] <jmworx> (half the popup dialogs I got would trigger the freeze)
[09:50] <RAOF> jmworx: That may be the case :).  No window is transparent by default, unless possibly it's in the middle of an animation.
[09:50] <schreder> raof, hmm that might be why... though I checked with lsmod and that module does indeed get loaded :S
[09:50] <jmworx> buz: I might be able to help. Got an hda-based card?
[09:50] <DanaG> I think I will post a comment about irqbalance, though.
[09:51] <buz> jmworx: i know how to fix it, but i'm considering mailing mark shuttleworth about it, it's a disaster if not fixed before release
[09:51] <jmworx> buz: got choppy sound or no sound at all?
[09:51] <Madpilot> DanaG: ya, that one irritates. I also liked xscreensaver's ability to choose *which* screensavers were added to the "Random" mix
[09:51] <h1st0> anyone know how to fix bash tab completion?  ex: sudo apt-g<tab>  won't autocomplete but it was just a second ago?
[09:51] <riotkittie> but you cant really have a set default where there are an infinite number of whatevers. and forcing a  default which cant be changed... is silly
[09:51] <RAOF> Madpilot: *That* is something I don't like about gnome-screensaver, yes.
[09:51] <jmworx> buz: what model BTW?
[09:52] <buz> latitude d830 (but i'm listening to mp3 on it this very moment, after installing alsa 1.0.15rc1)
[09:52] <buz> ubuntu devs don't want to commit fixing it
[09:52] <buz> and as far as i know, the ubuntu preloaded inspiron is affected, as well
[09:52] <jmworx> buz: BTW, don't bother emailing anyone. Ubuntu rarely fixes anything until the next release anyway (though they can still break stuff in updates)
[09:52] <jmworx> buz: But *what* is the problem?
[09:53] <DanaG> What bug is about the periodic temporary freezes?
[09:53] <buz> well the well known hda-intel fuckup means nearly everony with a recent dell notebook wont get sound
[09:53] <buz> including the people who bought a ubuntu preloaded machine
[09:53] <buz> which in my view, is a pr disaster waiting to happen
[09:53] <jmworx> buz; WHAT KIND OF PROBLEM?
[09:53] <wabiD> is there a fix for having to click to see panels on login yet?
[09:53] <buz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/131133
[09:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in dell "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [High,Confirmed]
[09:53] <schreder> nvm fixed my module problem by installing restricted module. They should be installed automatically though after a kernel update if user has them installed prior to the update ;)
[09:54] <DanaG> Oh, another thing cool with Linux: two-finger scrolling, and two- and three-finger tapping.
[09:54] <RAOF> schreder: They are (if you've got linux-generic installed), you just got an incomplete update.
[09:54] <DanaG> I use my touchpad 100% of the time, and my nice Logitech MX700 0% of the time, approximately.
[09:55] <jmworx> buz: Funny, I never got that one. What I got though is that more than a month ago a Feisty *update* broke all HDA-based cards on x86-64.
[09:55] <buz> that was a different issue
[09:55] <buz> (friend of mine has sound on his thinkpad t60 at least)
[09:56] <jmworx> So since that "update" I have to recompile the driver myself every time there's a new "update" that trashes the driver I compiled myself.
[09:56] <buz> yes
[09:56] <buz> same with dell
[09:56] <Madpilot> Dog, the deeper you get into the giant compiz-options thing the worse it gets. <shudder>
[09:56] <threethirty> who got ubotu to list the stuff about the bug and how, never saw an !
[09:56] <h1st0> Can anyone try this for me begin typing sudo apt-g  and then hit tab let me know if it auto completes.
[09:56] <buz> threethirty: ubotu automatically tells about bug urls
[09:57] <DanaG> Oh, another bug I have: bug 121833
[09:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[09:57] <jmworx> buz: Yes, I know it's a different issue. Still annoying though that not only do they usually not fix stuff but they actively break things that used to work :-(
[09:57] <buz> yeah
[09:57] <buz> on supposedly supported hardware, no less
[09:57] <buz> that is *sold* with ubuntu preinstalled
[09:57] <buz> (otherwise i wouldn't bother telling anyone about it)
[09:58] <jmworx> buz: I actually installed Fiesty myself. Didn't know it was on pre-installed hardware (you sure Dell ships with 64-bit Ubuntu?).
[09:58] <DanaG> And my other bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[09:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]
[09:58] <buz> no dell ships 32bit i think
[09:58] <buz> but it doesnt work on 32bit either
[09:58] <threethirty> welp guys/girls/other, im off to bed, later
[09:58] <jmworx> buz: that hda bug I was talking about was only on 64-bit AFAIK.
[09:59] <jmworx> Which is probably why nobody cares.
[09:59] <buz> yeah
[09:59] <buz> i doubt many people even use 64bit
[09:59] <RAOF> jmworx: A good proportion of the Ubuntu devs use 64bit :)
[09:59] <buz> RAOF: you'd think a few of them have dell notebooks, too
[09:59] <jmworx> I once has a 64-bit but in Speex (I'm maintainer) and the CLI encoder would just crash on startup on Dapper. It took more than 6 months to get then to apply my 2-line fix!
[09:59] <h1st0> Can anyone try this for me begin typing sudo apt-g  and then hit tab let me know if it auto completes?
[10:00] <jmworx> RAOF: Apparently, it doesn't make them fix regressions (that soundcard worked on Feisty before the update) any faster.
[10:00] <buz> sudo something does not autocomplete
[10:00] <RAOF> buz: Does in zsh :)
[10:01] <buz> i think i'll try mailing canonical directly, personally i dont care much about fixing the issue when it comes up, but the n00bs wont be able to do that
[10:01] <RAOF> jmworx: Yeah, I remember that.  I can't remebmer what took so long though.
[10:02] <jmworx> buz: Anyway, so I rarely bother reporting bugs on launchpad anymore. Either they get fixed in the next release because "upstream got updated" or the bugs stay there forever. I don't think any of the reports I filed ever changed anything.
[10:02] <ranji> so I installed Firefox using Adept, then I installed the JRE for firefox using Adept, except Firefox is still telling me I need to install plugins when I go to java.com
[10:02] <buz> jmworx: i've seen a few fixe
[10:02] <buz> d
[10:02] <buz> but in general, you're right
[10:02] <buz> the worst showstopppers seem to get attention
[10:02] <h1st0> DanaG: I understand that people use certain thing I'm just wondering if this is a bug with gutsy or if that tab completion will work
[10:02] <buz> anything beyond "system crashes" wont
[10:02] <freezerburn> alright guys think I've messed up my codecs or something cause I can't watch videos anymore.  I hear them,  if anyone can help me figure this out I'd appreciate it
[10:02] <jmworx> RAOF: What do you mean "what *took* so long"? It's still not fixed
[10:02] <RAOF> jmworx, buz: :(.  *I* fix bugs
[10:03] <buz> RAOF: then how about fixing that dell sound bug
[10:03] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for sudo, you have to edit /etc/bash.bashrc to enable it.
[10:03] <buz> RAOF: its not like the bug report doesnt contain numerous reports of how to do it
[10:03] <buz> and if you guys fear regressions, at least provide an extra package that fixes it
[10:03] <RAOF> buz: Which are "update to a new ALSA version, breaking other stuff (including suspend to ram)"
[10:04] <jmworx> Well, just reverting the update would already be a plus!
[10:04] <wabiD> is there a fix for having to click to see panels/nautilus on login yet?
[10:04] <Madpilot> So, in bug 150443, one guy mentions that crapiz CAN do switch-workspace-with-mousewheel, but it's not enabled by default. Anyone got any idea where that option hides in the giant compiz-messy-options thing?
[10:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150443 in libwnck "Compiz in Gutsy Beta: No workspace switching with mousewheel" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/150443
[10:04] <RAOF> wabiD: I don't think so, it's beeing looked at.
[10:04] <RAOF> Madpilot: VP Switch is what you're after.
[10:04] <wabiD> weird
[10:04] <h1st0> DanaG: what exactly would I be editing in there?  This worked in fiesty
[10:04] <buz> RAOF: alsa-driver-1.0.15rc1 fixes the issuea and does suspend to ram (later releases however do not)
[10:05] <RAOF> jmworx: And breaking other stuff?
[10:05] <jmworx> RAOF: what I find most annoying is that not only do I have to compile alsa drivers myself to work around the regression, but then every time a new kernel "update" is released, it just overwrites and when I reboot my box, sound doesn't work.
[10:06] <jmworx> RAOF: Isn't the idea of updates to at least make sure you don't break things? This update killed every single HDA-based soundcard on x86-64. I doubt what it fixed was worth that.
[10:06] <Madpilot> RAOF: on the 'Actions' tab there, View Next/View Prev are already set to Button5/Button4 respectively, and the plugin is enabled - it should already be working, no?
[10:06] <RAOF> jmworx: Ah, you're talking about a different bug.
[10:07] <jmworx> RAOF: by "every single HDA-based soundcard", I mean "module won't even load because of missing symbol". Let's just say I've seen better. It's been broken for quite a while now.
[10:07] <buz> (otoh, i do concede that alsa devs are somewhat, uhm, bad about breaking stuff)
[10:07] <RAOF> jmworx: And where is your bug?
[10:07] <jmworx> buz: well, Ubuntu devs should know better than making blind upgrades.
[10:08] <buz> you'd think so
[10:08] <jmworx> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/120305
[10:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120305 in linux-source-2.6.20 "[regression] Cannot modprobe snd-hda-intel following upgrade to Feisty" [High,Triaged]
[10:08] <buz> but ever after the xorg debacle a year ago or so i doubt this
[10:08] <jmworx> RAOF: I'm jmspeex BTW
[10:09] <jmworx> RAOF: Yet, it took 6 months to get a 2-line fix to Speex that was causing 100% segfaults on amd64 (i.e. could break things more than they were).
[10:09] <jmworx> OK, got to go
[10:09] <RAOF> buz: That's why there's a proposed-updates repository now.
[10:10] <buz> RAOF: i'd test stuff, but atm i somehow have my doubts if reports do help
[10:10] <RAOF> buz: And not reporting *definitely* doesn't help :)
[10:11] <buz> so why arent bugs flagged as won't fix if the fix supposedly causes regressions?
[10:11] <RAOF> buz: Because the fix doesn't necessarily have to cause regressions?
[10:12] <wabiD> can i get my two virtual desktops to have separate backgrounds
[10:12] <RAOF> That bug can be fixed in a way that isn't "replace Gutsy's ALSA packages with 1.0.15rc1"
[10:12] <buz> i now, and it doesnt, but you claimed suspend to ram regressions being the reason for not fixing it
[10:12] <RAOF> buz: No, that's the reason why the fixes proposed on that bug haven't been used.
[10:12] <DanaG> I wish my brightness issue would get more attention.  Perhaps I need to change the description to say that now it doesn't work at all.
[10:12] <xid> any idea why Java doesn't work in Firefox after installing using Adept?
[10:12] <Madpilot> wabiD: no
[10:12] <buz> sure, but to anyone affected by it, it doesnt seem like anyone is working on it
[10:13] <DanaG> I disable POST and enable saving video PCI state.
[10:13] <buz> DanaG: that's par for the course ;)
[10:13] <wabiD> darn enlightnment lets you i think
[10:14] <DanaG> Gaah, vsync is disabled!
[10:14] <DanaG> damnvidia.
[10:17] <xid> any idea why Java doesn't work in Firefox after installing using Adept?
[10:18] <snadge> anyone have any idea where gran paradiso packages went?
[10:19] <snadge> are they warez now or something? ;)
[10:19] <DanaG> Yay, I have my cube rotate on hscroll.
[10:19] <DanaG> I push 2 fingers left, the cube rotates left.
[10:19] <DanaG> And same for right and right.
[10:21] <xid> hmm I still haven't figured this out... guess I'll have to install it manually
[10:21] <fay_elf> Kubuntu-fi
[10:22] <xid> what's that mean?
[10:22] <xid> is that an adverb?
[10:22] <Tm_T> xid: he was trying to join that channel ;)
[10:22] <xid> heh
[10:22] <Bryan> how does one get flash to work in 7.10 for firefox?
[10:22] <fay_elf> Sry channel join fault
[10:23] <xid> Bryan I figured that out earlier
[10:23] <xid> Bryan get the gz and follow the instructions on Adobe's site
[10:23] <Bryan> I'm all..eyes...
[10:23] <xid> Bryan went quite smooth for me
[10:23] <Bryan> ..hmm...
[10:24] <DanaG> Flippity-doo-dah.
[10:24] <DanaG> Yay, touchpad+cube.
[10:24] <DanaG> But I kinda' wish I had a tablet to try.
[10:24] <xid> DanaG are you using Beryl or something?
[10:24] <DanaG> compiz-fusion, actually.
[10:25] <xid> oh cool
[10:25] <xid> suggest a good livecd for that?
[10:25] <DanaG> Gutsy has it installed by default, and I think even enabled by default.
[10:25] <fay_elf> Xid: knoppix has good hw support
[10:25] <xid> I'm using Gutsy
[10:26] <xid> how do you get the cube?
[10:26] <DanaG> Time for a shower now.  /me goes away but doesn't change name.
[10:26] <xid> DanaG wiat!
[10:26] <DanaG> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:26] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[10:26] <xid> oh cool thanks
[10:26] <xid> I don't understand that at all
[10:26] <xid> :P
[10:27] <DanaG> It's a package to install.
[10:27] <xid> k
[10:31] <fay_elf> So to get compiz running you would only need the nvidia drivers, compiz-fusion and compiz-settings-manager?
[10:31] <fay_elf> And possible dependencies
[10:32] <Madpilot> voodoo involving freshly-killed chickens might also be needed.
[10:32] <Madpilot> and on that tasteful note, I need to get some sleep. Good night/morning/day/whatever, everyone.
[10:34] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:40] <sfasfd> fay_elf: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde
[10:41] <fay_elf> Thx, i'll try that out
[10:43] <fay_elf> I am planning to stay with feisty until the 18th though, so can i do it without dist-upgrading for now?
[10:45] <RAOF> fay_elf: You won't get compiz fusion unless you're on Gutsy.
[10:47] <DanaG> I need sleep now.
[10:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that Flux is an absolutely wonderful visual -- so soothing, if not set too bright.
[10:48] <DanaG> However, first you have to edit the preset to un-break it.
[10:48] <DanaG> Use regular, nice, and maxfps 60.
[10:48] <DanaG> Oh, and it reminded me of another cool thing about my laptop: a toggle-all-LEDs hotkey.
[10:49] <DanaG> Bye.
[10:52] <larsemil> ati + dual monitors problem in gutsy...
[10:56] <snadge> solution: use an nvidia card or a single monitor ;)
[11:01] <redheat> hi everyone
[11:02] <redheat> one question, is there a good password manager for websites? I mean do you know the password program Roboform, which stores the logins and passwords for any website, is there a one like in on Linux?
[11:03] <redheat> like it*
[11:03] <cellojoe> keepass runs well thru wine
[11:03] <cellojoe> or password safe
[11:04] <cellojoe> http://sourceforge.net/projects/passwordsafe/
[11:04] <redheat> you mean I should do a search for keepass or Password safe
[11:04] <cellojoe> and http://sourceforge.net/projects/keepass/
[11:04] <redheat> roger that thank you so much for your help
[11:04] <redheat> thank you
[11:04] <cellojoe> you are quite welcome
[11:05] <Tm_T> redheat: Kwallet
[11:05] <cellojoe> yeah, that was my next suggestions
[11:05] <cellojoe> that or seahorse ( i think )
[11:05] <cellojoe> well... nvrmind that
[11:05] <redheat> thank you T(ok I don't know how to make a square)_T: Kwallet
[11:06] <cellojoe> aaahahahahah
[11:06] <redheat> but wait guys, isn't Kwallet like that windows program a wallet program for storing your credit card data
[11:06] <cellojoe> redheat: what desktop are you running?