[07:06] <knightwise> morning
[07:16] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:43] <popey> morning all
[07:47] <czajkowski> ello popey
[07:48] <Gary> morning sexy people
[07:48] <diplo> How's the states czajkowski ?
[07:48]  * popey tickles Gary
[07:48]  * Gary makes a mess
[07:48] <czajkowski> diplo: nt bad, been kinda busy to do sightseeing
[07:48] <diplo> :(
[07:49] <Gary> O_o  I mean by knocking stuff about with flailing arms and legs caused by the tickling, honest
[07:49] <diplo> I'd love to visit the states at some point
[07:49] <Gary> me too, if it wasn't for the americans
[07:50] <popey> heh
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's nice to visit but sheesh I couldn't live there.
[07:52] <popey> parts of it I could
[07:52] <popey> the bits around the edges
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Canada ;-)
[07:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Boston is almost agreeable.
[07:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> West Coast is just weird.
[07:55] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: indeed
[07:55] <czajkowski> I'm in NYC again nice to visit, but I'd never live here. nor would I raise a family here.
[07:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:09] <dogmatic69> anyone tried windows 8?
[08:10] <dogmatic69> I think it is quite nice :D
[08:10] <SuperMatt> D:
[08:11] <SuperMatt> I'll be honest: once you disable to mordern-ui, it is indeed a very stable OS
[08:12] <dogmatic69> even the funny blocks are quite good tbh. I thought it would be complete crap...
[08:17] <diplo> Hated it myself, doubt I'll try again anytime soon
[08:19] <mungbean> dogmatic69: about to replace win8 with win7 for mother-in-law
[08:19] <dogmatic69> Only tried it because I got my GF a new laptop and that is what was on it.
[08:20] <mungbean> there is trying and using
[08:20] <SuperMatt> I'm sure on a laptop the modern ui isn't too bad, but I have dual 24" screens. I don't want to see only 5 options at a time
[08:36] <BigRedS> I don't care how many options I see, I like the idea that MS is switching to a search-based desktop
[08:38] <DJones> BigRedS: Canonical should sue them for copying the dash interface/idea (as a desktop search idea)
[08:38] <BigRedS> was it canonical's idea?
[08:39] <DJones> Probably not, but everybody seems to be sueing everybody else for things just as frivolous
[08:40] <DJones> eg round corners..Surely the chickens should sueing over that (assuming the chicken really did come first)
[08:44]  * DJones debates whether to instal the KDE desktop to have a play with
[08:45] <BigRedS> I've been wondering that recently
[08:45] <BigRedS> trying to work out what the best debian-based KDE experience is likely to be
[08:47] <DJones> I'm also contemplating give slackware another go (in a virtualbox) to see how its changed since I last used it (6-7 years should have seen some considerable improvements)
[08:47]  * popey notes that windows 7 had search, along with osx, ios and android, long before ubuntu did
[08:48] <popey> on windows 7 I press the windows key and then type what I want - just like ubuntu
[08:48] <brobostigon> just like in gnome3.
[08:48] <diplo> yeah always liked that feature
[08:48] <diplo> Used to have a plugin on windows before they had that option to do it
[08:48] <DJones> Must admit, I've not used Win 7 long enough to find that out
[08:48] <diplo> If ubuntus dash was faster I'd be happier, defo better now in 13.04
[08:51] <knightwise> I use Kupfer as a launcher .. faster then dash and the launcher
[08:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:57] <AlanBell> did windows 7 not have an applications menu on the start button like XP then?
[08:59] <AlanBell> I am using gnome fallback at the moment and my "other" bit of the applications menu is 5 1/2 screens tall
[09:01] <diplo> It does AlanBell, but not very easy to navigate imo, I rarely used it.. just typed the app I wanted to start
[09:02] <AlanBell> bit like unity then
[09:02] <AlanBell> just give up and type it
[09:04] <AlanBell> which isn't really an option on the phone, that has to be navigable graphically
[09:05] <diplo> yeah pretty much
[09:05] <popey> uhm
[09:05] <popey> no
[09:06] <popey> phone has dash search and hud
[09:06] <popey> on my iphone I search for apps rather than hunt around for an icon on some random page in a folder somewhere
[09:06] <popey> same on ubuntu phone
[09:07] <diplo> I can do that on android, can't say I ever have though
[09:07] <diplo> I always launch from the icon
[09:07] <diplo> Where as PC/lappy I always type to search, prefer that
[09:07] <popey> i have less on my android phone so easier to find stuff
[09:07] <popey> iphone is full of stuff
[09:09] <diplo> :)
[09:09] <popey> 156 apps on my iphone (just counted)
[09:09] <diplo> bloomin eck!
[09:10] <diplo> I've only had my 'new' GS2 for a couple of months, my Wildfire I couldn't install more than about 10-15 apps before it ran out of space..
[09:10] <popey> 113 on android
[09:10] <diplo> So it's quite new to me to be able to install more apps :)
[09:10] <brobostigon> according to google play, i have 186 apps on my nexus7.
[09:11] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to use variables in /etc/fstab ?
[09:11] <dogmatic69> seems like the usual bash way does not work.
[09:11] <dogmatic69> [mntent]: line 15 in /etc/fstab is bad
[09:13] <BigRedS> usual bash? What does line 15 look like?
[09:13] <dogmatic69> var="foobar";
[09:14] <BigRedS> does that normally work? I don't see why it would...
[09:14] <dogmatic69> yep, how else do you define variables then?
[09:14] <BigRedS> I never have in an fstab
[09:15] <BigRedS> But I've never really wanted to
[09:15] <dogmatic69> ye, i will just move it
[09:15] <dogmatic69> I am mounting a bunch of things so instead of repeating just use variables.
[09:15] <dogmatic69> eg: $address/backups /home/dogmatic69/Backups $config
[09:17] <dogmatic69> instead of //<ip>/path /local/path cifs uid=dogmatic69 credentials=/home/dogmatic69/.smbpassword,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlm 0 0
[09:17] <dogmatic69> they all the same besides the paths, no point duplicating it all over imo
[09:17] <BigRedS> man fstab doesn't seem to say it supports variables
[09:18] <BigRedS> and it would seem weird to - it's a pretty static file and most text editors can replicate the use of a variable :)
[09:18] <dogmatic69> ye, I will just make a .sh file and put /some/path/file.sh in rc.local
[09:18] <BigRedS>  :%s/defaults/defaults,ro/g   rather than editing the value of $options or something
[09:19] <BigRedS> yeah, that seems the more normal way of doing it
[09:19] <dogmatic69> I was following this btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[09:19] <dogmatic69> it says in fstab
[09:20] <BigRedS> that doesn't seem to use any variables
[09:21] <dogmatic69> ye
[09:22] <dogmatic69> man, the command does not even work...
[09:22] <popey> yay, my home server has 3 9's uptime! :D
[09:22] <popey>    %up               99.926 | since                     Sat Nov 10 06:34:31 2012
[09:23] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5779882/
[09:23] <JamesTai2> Good morning all - have a happy, relaxed World Sauntering Day. :)
[09:26] <brobostigon> 23c this afternoon, can i spend the day in the fridge, will help me and my eeepc to not overheat aswell.
[09:28] <knightwise> brobostigon: what eeepc do you have ?
[09:28] <brobostigon> knightwise: 900 ssd.
[09:51] <dogmatic69> does 'mount -t cifs' not work with ip addresses?
[10:09] <mungbean> its not warm at all here in london
[10:09] <Laney> i so love being on hold to east midlands trains
[10:09] <mungbean> dogmatic69: you mean smbmount?
[10:09] <Laney> their "all our agents are busy" recorded man sounds pleasantly gruff
[10:10] <dogmatic69> mungbean: smbmount is no more, hence my problems...
[10:10] <dogmatic69> update to 13 and its gone. got it working with mount -t now
[10:19] <popey> bigcalm: gimmie a gmail account you want inviting
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've never heard of it. What are you supposed to do exactly? Am looking at the website but that tells me zilch as far as I can tell.
[10:20] <popey> bigcalm: sent
[10:20] <popey> you install the app and login, then it shows a map like screen around your area
[10:20] <popey> you get notified of "portals" near you
[10:20] <christel> is it like geocaching but with pubs?
[10:20] <popey> these could be statues, pubs, or other significant buildings / structures
[10:20] <bigcalm> popey: ta :)
[10:20] <mgdm> Oh, i knew someone who played that
[10:21] <mgdm> or, something very similar. It was probably in 2011 in Montreal, though...
[10:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> And what are you supposed to do then?
[10:21] <popey> you walk towards them and you will see they are "owned" (or not) by a team - there's two teams, Blue (Resistance) and Green (Enlightened)
[10:21] <popey> (I am green)
[10:21] <popey> (and so should you be)
[10:22] <popey> when you get within range you can "hack" the portal
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm getting bored already.
[10:22] <mungbean> lol
[10:22] <mungbean> sounds boring
[10:22] <popey> nvm then
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> No offence
[10:22] <popey> it isnt
[10:22] <popey> but its hard to explain
[10:22] <popey> forget it
[10:22] <mungbean> 4sq for boys
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm playing Golf on Friday :-D
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> A proper game.
[10:22] <mungbean> umm
[10:23] <popey> hey ho
[10:23] <mungbean> golf is linkedin before computers
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> yay
[10:24] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOAy-_GUQ1Q explains it better
[10:24] <popey> and with video so people dont get bored reading text
[10:24] <bigcalm> That's a well produced app
[10:24] <mungbean> bet it eats battery
[10:25] <popey> spent the evening out walking last night doing it and most people had battery extenders or external battery packs
[10:25] <popey> so yeah, it eats battery
[10:26] <popey> a guy I was with had full charge when we started, it was near dead after 2 hours
[10:26]  * brobostigon also has 5 invites.
[10:26] <mungbean> uses all functions of phone all at once
[10:26] <mungbean> screen is worst though i guess
[10:26] <brobostigon> or tablet.*
[10:26] <popey> 3g/gpu
[10:27] <bigcalm> Well, I have a glass of orange juice and a bowl of grapes and raspberries. I win!
[10:27] <popey> one guy had a nexus 10 with him
[10:27] <popey> tethered to his phone
[10:27] <mungbean> i was reading the n7 thread on reddit about how it sux because the wear on the SSD is causing slowdown
[10:28] <popey> link?
[10:28] <mungbean> http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1gkiuv/one_year_later_the_nexus_7_has_gone_from_the_best/
[10:29] <popey> interesting
[10:29] <popey> one guy had a galaxy s3 out with him, the colour on it was unnaturally bright, made my nexus 4 look really washed out
[10:30] <Laney> yeah i have noticed my n7 slowing down
[10:30] <Laney> bet phablet-flash is doing a number on the work one ...
[10:31] <mungbean> anything about the n7 hardware in particular though i wonder?
[10:31] <mungbean> or just lots of owners who say me too
[10:31] <popey> cant say I have noticed it slowing down, it's slow anyway probably the multi-user thing doesn't help
[10:31] <popey> takes ages to switch to another user
[10:31] <mungbean> "Yes, and both are caused by IO waits in the kernel from the eMMC controller locking and trying to deal with degraded flash."
[10:35] <BigRedS> Whoo! I have a Galaxy S3
[10:36] <bigcalm> BigRedS: just as the S4 comes out. Nice timing
[10:36] <BigRedS> I'm not sure how long this attempt to stick with vendor Android is going to last, though. This feel sinister in the same way as all those installers that quietly install IE toolbars
[10:36] <BigRedS> yeah, I didn't find any particularly good reason to get the 4 over the 3
[10:36] <BigRedS> and otterbox make an indestructible case for the 3
[10:36] <bigcalm> BigRedS: I've been quite happy with the vendor install on my S3
[10:37] <BigRedS> bigcalm: yeah, it just feels really low on features and config options
[10:37] <BigRedS> I can't work out how to make the app drawer thing behave like I thought it always did, for example. It wants me to swipe sideways through pages...
[10:38] <directhex> i still don't like android
[10:43] <BigRedS> It's not that bad
[10:43] <BigRedS> it's a lot like the Linux desktop in that it feels like it's not-quite-finished and nobody's decided to treat it as a product yet
[10:43] <diplo> BigRedS: That's a Samsung thing I believe, probably an 'app' for that :D
[10:45] <BigRedS> diplo: I've been using the Go launcher for ages which does work that way. But if I'm going to install that I might as well just stick a working image on :) Think I'll give it more than 20 mins before I conclude my judgement :)
[10:45] <BigRedS> well, I'll try :)
[10:46] <Laney> I immediately de-samsungified my S3 :-)
[10:48] <diplo> I need to do my S2, but everytime I look at rooting it I find about 20 different options and decide I cba to look
[10:48] <diplo> Different way for different kernels etc
[10:48] <diplo> And last time I couldn't find it correctly, unless someone has a better way of rooting / flashing :)
[10:49] <BigRedS> my S2 was pretty straightforward I think
[10:49] <mgdm> I want a current Android phone - my main phone is an iPhone 4S, and my gf has my old HTC Desire, but it's on its last legs
[10:49] <Laney> I just followed the CM instructions
[10:49] <BigRedS> 'cause I got it a while after release, so everything had calmed down and I just followed the cyanogen howto
[10:49] <Laney> get clockwork from here, do this, get CM from get.cm, ???, profit
[10:49] <BigRedS> That's generally the best way - wait 'til it's been out for six weeks or so and teh instructions are down, and then it's a trivial install
[10:50] <diplo> I'll look again, it was the rooting part I think was the issue, I did my wildfire which was a PITA but found it simple enough to follow, last time I looked at the S2 I thought bah
[10:50] <BigRedS> HTCs need some specially-formatted microsd card IIRC
[10:50] <diplo> heh yep
[10:50] <diplo> A goldcard or something from memory
[10:51] <BigRedS> yeah
[10:52] <BigRedS> Ooh, should probably stick Ubuntu on my S2...
[10:54] <diplo> I was going to try it aswell, but not completed yet last time i checked
[10:56] <BigRedS> Yeah, no phone-function support - GSM, 3G etc.
[10:56] <diplo> OK, found a good wiki for use with heimdall
[10:56] <BigRedS> so I'd end up with a tablet that's smaller than my phone :)
[10:56] <diplo> Will try in my lunch
[11:44] <DJones> Out of interest and non computer related, has anybody here had a new boiler fitted recently? Just getting some quotes and wanted some comparisons if possible
[11:48] <diplo> Fitted my own, so probably don't count, but it does seem a bit of a rip off after what it took to fit mine
[11:50] <DJones> I wouldn't take the risk of fitting my own, knowing little about wiring up/connecting gas etc, it'll probably be my cousin installing it, so its mostly going to be the cost of the equipment
[11:51] <diplo> Well mine was about 6/700 quid a few years ago
[11:51] <diplo> But I have a friend who works at a plumbing supply place, wasn't cost, but was cheaper
[11:51] <diplo> And yeah, father in law and me fitted it so that makes it cheaper for you as well
[11:52] <DJones> That sounds about similar to what he saying, I'm also getting a couple of thermostatic valves for radiators and a hand held remote control/thermostat
[11:52] <diplo> yeah, I did the whole house whilst fitting the boiler, new radiators throughout and thermostatics on all
[11:53] <diplo> Including pipes etc I think I spent ~2k ish
[11:53] <diplo> Which is still cheaper than a boiler being fitted by an external person, let alone the rest
[11:54] <diplo> I'm sure my sisters 1 bed flat, they wanted 3/3500k to fit radiators ( 2 ) and a boiler!
[11:54] <DJones> That doesn't surprise me, one bloke quoted around £1500 for the boiler & fitting alone, not including valves & remote
[11:55] <diplo> I would have got my father in law to do it if I was still married :)
[11:55] <DJones> I priced up the boiler one the web and that was under £750, so was doubling the price for labour
[11:55] <diplo> It's really wrong, but they have the market so you're screwed..
[11:55]  * diplo recommends doing a course and doing it yourself
[11:56] <diplo> Then pay someone to sign it off
[11:56] <DJones> Heh
[11:56] <diplo> Still be cheaper!
[11:57] <DJones> I'm sure it would, but more stressful afterwards....Is that gas inlet joint I soldered really safe...
[11:57] <DJones> Specially with a nagging wife asking questions
[11:57] <diplo> Bottle of testing guess to test that :)
[11:57] <diplo> lol, there is that :D
[11:58] <DJones> Knowing mine, she'll stood in the shower saying is it done yet, as soon as I start taking the packaging off the new one
[12:05] <diplo> heh
[12:26] <mungbean> http://www.psmag.com/blogs/news-blog/dim-lighting-sparks-creativity-60437/
[12:35] <diplo> So virtualbox or KVM peeps? As we have the all evil Oracle :)
[12:36] <mungbean> vmware?
[12:36] <diplo> Could do I guess, whats the free version like ?
[12:36] <mungbean> good
[12:36] <mungbean> well good enough for most
[12:36] <mungbean> depends if u wanna use shared storage and vmotion
[12:37] <mungbean> whats the use case?
[12:37] <diplo> Just local VM's for CentOs/Ubuntu/Debian for testing
[12:38] <diplo> Keep meaning to try KVM, but VBox I've gotten used to, but it's not the end of the world. Just thought I'd ask other peoples thoughts
[12:38] <mungbean> i'd prob use kvm
[12:38] <mungbean> but i use vmware in case i ever need to transfer to the office VM environment
[12:38] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: watch out.. next thing you know you'll be saying "I'd totes use kvm"
[12:39] <diplo> mungbean: I saw you post a link last night, were you oimon before ?
[12:39] <mungbean> yes
[12:39] <mungbean> and mungojerry
[12:39] <mungbean> i change about once per year to shake off google
[12:40] <diplo> hah, wondered where you disappeared to a few months ago
[12:40] <mungbean> :D
[12:41] <diplo> I've not changed my nick in about 10 years, started off as the_diplomat or something I think
[12:41] <diplo> And everyone shortened it to diplo
[12:42] <mungbean> cloudstack is now an apache project btw
[12:43] <diplo> Not sure what cloudstack is, will google later
[12:44] <mungbean> like openstack
[12:44] <jpds> mungbean: Still written in Java.
[12:44] <mungbean> :(
[12:45] <mungbean> The current release of CloudStack supports pre-packaged enterprise solutions like Citrix XenServer and VMware vSphere, as well as KVM or Xen running on Ubuntu or CentOS.
[12:45] <jpds> diplo: What's there to 'try' with KVM?
[12:45] <mungbean> as yoda would say "do or do not, there is no try"
[12:46] <jpds> It's just another virt technology.
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: try {} catch {}
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: or maybe Yoda prefers Perl, where "try" is written as "eval {}"
[12:47] <diplo> jpds: Setting it up I guess, the differences of
[12:48] <jpds> diplo: sudo apt-get install kvm virt-manager libvirt-bin
[12:48] <jpds> diplo: Done.
[12:49] <mungbean> virt-manager is grim
[12:49] <mungbean> typical redhat creation
[12:49] <diplo> :)
[12:49] <diplo> Installing as I type
[12:50] <jpds> mungbean: It does the job for a test VM environment.
[12:51] <diplo> That's all I require really
[12:51] <diplo> Used KVM a few years ago, but not touched it since
[12:52] <BigRedS> mungbean: it could be worse
[12:52] <jpds> MartijnVdS: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/50153934733/try-catch
[12:55] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm: broken sword should now be available for download
[12:57] <diplo> heh jpds, I've had to catch my kids like that more than once.. I've never had to do it carrying another though! Skills!!
[13:00] <popey> davmor2: i see it in the list
[13:01] <davmor2> popey: woohoo!
[13:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: not in Steam yet
[13:56] <davmor2> bigcalm: Y U SWEAR AT ME! ;)
[14:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: keep with the times man!
[14:17] <bigcalm> Found it to be quite suited to being played on my tablet
[14:21] <popey> http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/google-create-a-native-linux-google-drive-application
[14:21] <popey> someone pointed me at that
[14:21] <popey> 0 signatories
[14:21] <popey> i thought that had been around ages, would have thought someone would have signed it by now
[14:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> "with 9,114 supporters"
[14:22] <popey> "with 0 supporters
[14:22] <popey> "
[14:22] <popey> hah, must be adblock or something
[14:23] <mungbean> WFM with adblock
[14:24] <popey> ah no, its because i block google analytics
[14:24] <mungbean> 9114 now
[14:24]  * popey hugs ghostery
[14:24] <mungbean> 886 needed
[14:24] <mungbean> until nothing happens
[14:24] <popey> +1
[14:27] <mgdm> popey: did you see the thing the other day about how Ghostery sends tracking data to the ad company that owns it?
[14:27] <popey> that is an option
[14:27] <popey> which I switched off on install
[14:27] <mgdm> Ah; the article I had read suggested that wasn't simple to do
[14:27] <popey> tickbox
[14:27] <mgdm> I've not tried it myself though
[14:28] <popey> i like it
[14:45] <mungbean> what's the longest uptime on any of your servers right now?
[14:46] <mgdm> 377 days
[14:46] <directhex> high uptime is fancy talk for "does not apply kernel patches"
[14:46] <mgdm> that's a dev VM, though
[14:46] <mungbean> 606 atm
[14:46] <mungbean> i managed > 1111 days on a solaris box
[14:47] <mungbean> only turned it off to decommision
[14:47] <mungbean> most vulnerabilities are local exploit
[14:47] <mungbean> not remote
[14:48] <mgdm> did you see the video of the SunOS box that was turned off after 3000+ days of uptime?
[14:48] <mgdm> It was like a wake
[14:48] <mungbean> happy or sad one?
[14:48] <popey> also seen elsewhere today.. "Uptime is just a measure of the number of known kernel bugs you have on your system."
[14:48] <mgdm> mungbean: sad
[14:49] <popey> i liked the netware one too
[14:49] <popey> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/epic-uptime-achievement-can-you-beat-16-years/
[14:49] <popey> 6030 days
[14:50] <mgdm> popey: blimey
[14:51] <AlanBell> impressive power reliability
[14:51] <mungbean> or generator
[14:51] <mungbean> more impressive hardware reliability :D
[14:56] <mungbean> receiving Spam from SAP
[14:57] <mungbean> not welcome
[15:00] <mungbean> especially when a chat window opens on the unsub page
[15:00] <popey> hahah
[15:01]  * popey looks out the window and remembers SAP
[15:01] <davmor2> popey: you remember being a what?
[15:11] <redtape|renegade> OT : Not sure if Doctor Wholy is on in an hour but here's a vidz off a tweet I got today from Bosnia .. seems to travel ! :::: | http://youtu.be/eRm8qmM-DTg?t=4m18s | ::::  http://www.tvguide.co.uk/episodeguide.asp?title=Doctor+Who&  :::: Apologies if I have posts the vid. before...
[15:11] <redtape|renegade> leaves.
[15:11]  * brobostigon captured an ingress portal, man.
[15:11] <mungbean> that redtape guy..what's all that about?
[15:12] <popey> dunno, I personally find it irritating
[15:12] <mungbean> whats the point dumping a OT link and running away?
[15:12] <mungbean> its just noise
[15:26] <christel> is that all he ever does
[15:26] <christel> drive-by spam that is
[15:27] <popey> mostly, yes
[15:27] <mungbean> does he do it on other chans too?
[15:27] <christel> i noticed it a couple of times before
[15:27] <BigRedS> yeah, he seems to keep doing that
[15:27] <BigRedS> or she...
[15:28] <christel> he wouldnt appear to be in any other channels, i have no idea if he joins and does that and immediately parts elsewhere too or just here
[15:36] <DJones> Occasionally he does talk for a bit
[15:36] <mungbean> at night
[15:36] <mungbean> when the moon is bright
[15:37] <Gary> but only on a full moon
[15:37] <mungbean> Out of the night, when the full moon is bright, comes a horseman known as Zorro. This bold (redtape)renegade carves a Z with his blade, a Z that stands for Zorro.
[15:41]  * Laney just did a huge burp and a child outside screamed at the "loud noise"
[15:43] <mgdm> \o/
[15:44] <mungbean> lol
[15:48] <BigRedS> haha
[17:27] <DJones> One for cat lovers amongst you http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/17/us-mexico-cat-idUSBRE95G17820130617
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[18:42] <dosagima> Evening
[19:09] <mungbean> lego  movie? i supppose it was inevtable
[19:11] <mungbean> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1490017/#lb-vi3947800089
[19:30] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/P4RfyeM,6ge6fjv,JbOlygV,dAmT9wq,if8WI0P,TSOT2x7
[19:30] <daftykins> new LCD for my friends' sisters laptop hasn't quite worked D:
[19:32] <neuro> yay, youtube is b0rked
[19:33] <daftykins> oh?
[19:33] <neuro> 503ing like a boss
[19:33] <daftykins> ooh yes
[19:34] <daftykins> 502 that time for me \o/
[19:34] <daftykins> aren't i speshul
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> UUPC time folks!
[19:34] <daftykins> who, what?
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: ububtu-uk-podcast
[19:35] <daftykins> oh that still goes on
[19:36]  * neuro installs ububtu
[19:36] <SuperEngineer> no comment
[20:39]  * neuro is uninstalling ububtu
[20:39] <neuro> it's rubbish
[20:40] <neuro> obviously just a lame rip off of ubuntu with a different name
[20:40] <zleap> neuro, in what way,  granted i am using Lubuntu
[20:40] <neuro> zleap: it's a joke from earlier
[20:40] <zleap> ok sorry
[20:40] <neuro> np :)
[20:40] <mungbean> just watched les revenants
[20:40] <zleap> k
[20:40] <mungbean> anyone watching it?
[20:40] <neuro> i'd be a bit of a wazzock to come into an ubuntu channel and say "ubuntu is rubbish"
[20:40] <mungbean> it happens
[20:41] <neuro> mungbean: no
[20:41] <neuro> and yes, i know it happens
[20:41] <mungbean> just before kicked off
[20:41] <neuro> but i'm in here all the time
[20:41] <daftykins> neuro: and yet it really does happen :(
[20:41] <neuro> so if *I* was to do that ...
[20:41] <neuro> i mean i make snipey comments about things occasionally
[20:41] <neuro> but those are just opinions
[20:41] <daftykins> well i'd certainly think less of you :>
[20:42] <neuro> the thrill of trolling aside, i never understand the need to bash other people about why their choice of X is rubbish
[20:42] <Azelphur> http://uk.insight.com/apps/productpresentation?product_id=0001792065 this looks kinda interesting, has £100 cashback, so works out at like £78
[20:42] <Azelphur> says it's RHEL certified too
[20:42] <neuro> unless your choice is clearly wrong, in which case, you suck and i rule
[20:42] <Azelphur> pondering getting one :P
[20:42] <neuro> wow, cheapest N54L i've seen in a while
[20:43] <neuro> Azelphur: if you need grunt, they're crap
[20:43] <neuro> the CPU is comparable to an Atom
[20:43] <Azelphur> neuro: ah, atm my home server is using a sempron 140
[20:43] <neuro> yeah for a storage box, it's el neato
[20:43] <Azelphur> I wonder how the power would be on that thing though
[20:43] <neuro> shame the sata ports aren't hot plug
[20:44] <neuro> neuro@saratoga:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i bogo
[20:44] <neuro> bogomips	: 2994.91
[20:44] <neuro> bogomips	: 2995.07
[20:44] <Azelphur> wonder if it'd take a full size PCIe gpu too
[20:44] <neuro> iirc no
[20:44] <Azelphur> aww
[20:44] <Azelphur> then yea, think I'll pass, my current box is probably ample
[20:44] <Azelphur> case only takes one hdd though which is a bit shit
[20:45] <neuro> your current one?
[20:45] <Azelphur> yea, my current home server box
[20:45] <neuro> and watch your language :)
[20:45] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:45] <neuro> in theory you could boot the n54l off of a usb stick
[20:45] <neuro> and use the 4 bays for RAIDy goodness
[20:45] <neuro> i say in theory, i know people who have done it
[20:46] <neuro> i just use mine as a general purpose odds-and-ends storage box
[20:46] <neuro> 2 USB drives for backups and 1 internal 2TB for "stuff"
[20:46] <neuro> and whatever it came with for the OS
[20:46] <Azelphur> yea, it'd be really cool at that no doubt
[20:46] <neuro> it is
[20:46] <Azelphur> like a NAS on steriods for cheap :)
[20:46] <neuro> pretty much
[20:46] <neuro> i use rsnapshot, so it's not exactly nippy
[20:47] <Azelphur> oh me too, does it not perform well for that?
[20:47] <neuro> then again if i swapped out the 2GB for 8GB, it might cache better
[20:47] <neuro> well to be fair i have a lot of stuff being backed up
[20:47] <Azelphur> yea, I backup a lot too, from my server
[20:47] <neuro> at least 10 gig of maildirs, which is the real pain in the bum
[20:47] <neuro> lots of tiny files + hard link creation = slooooooow
[20:48] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:48] <neuro> my hourly backups take about 70 minutes
[20:48] <neuro> where "hourly" = the default every 4 hours
[20:48] <Azelphur> I always loved that, it confused me for so long.
[20:49] <Azelphur> scumbag rsnapshot eh ;)
[20:49] <neuro> 30 mins is taken up with the initial cp -al, and the last 20 minutes is expiring out the old backup
[20:49] <neuro> well yeah :)
[20:49] <neuro> but it works oh so well
[20:49] <Azelphur> indeed it does
[20:50] <neuro> i have 6 months of backups from loads of sources in a nice tidy half terabyte chunk of hard linked disk
[20:50] <Azelphur> yea, I have 2x 3TB plugged into my home server at the moment...via USB2
[20:50]  * Azelphur cringes
[20:50] <neuro> been there, done that
[20:51] <neuro> it'll bite you in the backside at some point
[20:51] <Azelphur> no doubt
[20:51] <neuro> i had 6x 1TB USB2 on my old server
[20:51] <neuro> lost the whole smash (RAID5) when i lost two drives in quick succession
[20:51] <Azelphur> haha, ouch
[20:51] <neuro> yeah
[20:51] <Azelphur> I'm not raiding at all, this is just for movies mostly
[20:51] <Azelphur> so, the internet is my backup \o/
[20:51] <neuro> i now have 2 readynas boxes, 11TB of RAIDy goodness
[20:52] <neuro> ha
[20:52] <Azelphur> nice
[20:52] <neuro> and i just mount stuff over nfs or afp
[20:52] <neuro> one of them has my homedirs on it too, which is handy
[20:52] <neuro> since i run a few ubuntu instances in the house
[20:53] <Azelphur> cool :)
[20:53] <neuro> and they get backed up to mr rsnapshot on the N45L
[20:53] <Azelphur> would be nice to move my backups onto
[20:53] <neuro> pretty sure this lot won't fit on a 1TB RAID1 array
[20:53] <neuro> root@saratoga:~# du -sch /data/cargobays/*/Video
[20:53] <neuro> 3.6T	/data/cargobays/0/Video
[20:53] <neuro> 2.1T	/data/cargobays/1/Video
[20:53] <neuro> 5.6T	total
[20:53] <Azelphur> atm I do backups on my desktop, which has the problem of whenever my desktop gets modified, I stop taking backups.
[20:54] <neuro> i have backups all over the place
[20:54] <neuro> all linux stuff and sysconfigs from desktop macs go to rsnapshot
[20:54] <neuro> macs go to timemachine using various sources (mainly fw and usb drives)
[20:54] <neuro> windows ... meh
[20:55] <neuro> all i use those for is vsphere and steam/origin
[20:55] <neuro> if they break i'll just reinstall vsphere and the steam/origin clients and redownload games :D
[20:55] <Azelphur> happen to know how much power it pulls?
[20:56] <neuro> gawd knows
[20:56] <Azelphur> I'm tempted to get it to use as a NAS to get the storage away from my HTPC frontend
[20:56] <neuro> a lot
[20:56] <neuro> my leccy bill is ~ £1Kpa
[20:56] <Azelphur> haha
[20:56] <directhex> i have games which don't run on steam/windows but run on steam/linux
[20:56] <directhex> which is runny
[20:56] <neuro> which reminds me, i must be due a meter reading soon
[20:56] <directhex> funny
[20:57] <Azelphur> I'll sleep on it and see if I still want it in the morning ;)
[20:57] <neuro> watch out, they tend to sell out
[20:57] <Azelphur> ah
[20:57] <neuro> ebuyer had a run on them last week
[20:58] <Azelphur> spose I'm not going to find anything better/cheaper to plug a bunch of HDDs into
[20:58] <neuro> rpi?
[20:58] <neuro> :)
[20:58] <Azelphur> does that have satas?
[20:58] <neuro> no but it has usbs
[20:59] <Azelphur> yea, that's bad ;)
[20:59] <neuro> usb + powered hub + usb sata cradles :)
[20:59] <Azelphur> that's what I'm doing atm, just piling USB hdds
[20:59] <neuro> yeah, don't do that
[20:59] <neuro> in all seriousness
[20:59] <Azelphur> indeed, it's bad
[20:59] <neuro> i am the cautionary tale
[21:00] <neuro> i went from 8 IDE drives piled up inside a P4 server to 6 USB hanging off a Pentium D to PROPER NAS BOXES :)
[21:00] <neuro> guess which is more reliable
[21:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:00] <neuro> but yeah for storage, that N40L is a pretty good deal
[21:00] <neuro> N54L, soz
[21:01] <neuro>  Timing buffered disk reads: 416 MB in  3.00 seconds = 138.46 MB/sec
[21:06] <daftykins> that sounds like burst
[21:06] <daftykins> yip
[21:48] <Azelphur> lol I broke gedit
[22:40] <Seeker`> Azelphur: you break everything :P
[22:40] <Azelphur> indeed


[08:15] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <davidcalle> Good morning all
[08:19] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[08:19] <dholbach> comment ça va?
[08:19] <davidcalle> dholbach, très bien! Et toi?
[08:22] <dholbach> très bien aussi, j'étais déjà pour une course(?) ce matin
[08:24] <dholbach> brb
[08:24] <davidcalle> dholbach, pareil, réveillé à 6h30 par Tristan :)
[08:24] <dholbach> 6:30m - c'est pas mal :)
[08:52] <dholbach> hey beuno, when can we chat about moving the /publish docs into myapps?
[09:10] <dholbach> hey dpm, how's life over there?
[09:12] <dpm> dholbach, good :) check this out: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/help-app/web/settings.en-us.html
[09:12] <dholbach> NICE
[09:12] <dholbach> good work!
[09:13] <dholbach> hey... so I thought about the attr-lists-and-embedded-html branch again
[09:13] <dholbach> I think the only real chance we have is to define a common markup we want to use for each of the questions and to identify it in a certain way
[09:14] <dholbach> kind of what we do with the "Title: " lines in the .md documents
[09:14] <dholbach> we just assume that they're in the first line of the document
[09:15] <dpm> dholbach, shall we have a call in ~1h to discuss it?
[09:15] <dholbach> sure, wfm
[09:15] <dpm> cool
[09:15] <dholbach> I'll add it to the cal
[09:22] <dholbach> dpm, davidcalle: do you think http://kylenubuntu.blogspot.de/2015/03/aptbrowser-qmlc-app.html is something we could use as an example, maybe on developer.u.c or in lp:ubuntu-sdk-tutorials or something?
[09:26] <Mirv> bzoltan_: so, it seems you found out that qtwebsockets is already available and can be even included on the images?
[09:41] <bzoltan_> Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-seeds/add_QtWebSocket/+merge/252303 I have this ready already
[09:52] <dpm> dholbach, in meetings until the next 30 mins, will have a look in more detail then
[09:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Plumbing Day! :-D
[10:00] <Mirv> bzoltan_: cool!
[10:26] <dpm> dholbach, I'm done with my call, happy to start earlier if you want
[10:26] <dholbach> sure
[11:11] <dholbach> dpm, mail sent
[11:11] <dpm> dholbach, awesome, replying to the bug now
[11:17] <dholbach> dpm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/help-app/+bug/1430735
[11:32] <mzanetti> DanChapman, ping
[11:34] <DanChapman> mzanetti: hey!
[11:34] <mzanetti> DanChapman, hey, I was just checking the ListItemWithAction from Dekko, and it seems you pimped that a little with haptics feedback and a bar indicating the current one
[11:34] <mzanetti> when triggerActionOnRelease is enabled
[11:35] <mzanetti> DanChapman, mind proposing those tweaks to the upstream component in UCS?
[11:36] <DanChapman> mzanetti: yeah sure thing, i'll try and do that today. :-) while your here how are the reconnects working for you after the update?
[11:37] <dpm> dholbach, actually, rather than opening new bugs, I've added all of the details in comments on bug 1430735 - does that work for you? Happy to file separate bugs too. I've also added a link to that blog post on how to create a pelican plugin
[11:37] <mzanetti> DanChapman, I think it's much better, will watch it for another couple of times and then close the bug as invalid/fix released.
[11:37] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[11:37] <mzanetti> DanChapman, sorry for the noise. I really should have checked if I'm up-to-date before reporting the bugs
[11:39] <DanChapman> mzanetti: excellent! it's still not *perfect* but it's getting there.
[11:40] <mzanetti> DanChapman, It's awesome already
[11:44] <DanChapman> popey: hah i've been pinging you with my random screenshots in #dekko the last few days, didn't even realise you weren't even in there :-D so here you go http://dl.dropbox.com/u/86476930/new-outfit.png
[11:44] <popey> DanChapman: oops.
[11:45] <popey> DanChapman: my vps was restarted, and i clearly missed that channel when restarting my irc session
[11:45] <popey> sorry
[11:45] <popey> oh man!
[11:45] <popey> that looks great!
[11:46] <popey> I feel the urge to read my mail!
[11:48] <mzanetti> DanChapman, where do you get the people's images from?
[11:48] <DanChapman> popey: Hah! yeah i'm quite chuffed with it. I'll send a click your way in a little while. The header is still a little quirky changing states
[11:48] <mzanetti> DanChapman, don't forget to CC me on that mail :P
[11:49] <DanChapman> mzanetti: gravatar atm, not sure if there are any other services like it but would be cool to include them as sources
[11:49] <DanChapman> mzanetti: sure :-)
[11:49]  * mzanetti never heard of gravatar before
[11:58] <dholbach> dpm, your suggestion from yesterday: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1430336/+merge/252566 :)
[11:58] <dholbach> and now: lunch time
[11:59] <nik90> popey: Hi, did jibel approve clock app's release? I plan on adding some more AP tests and wanted to do so after the store release.
[11:59] <popey> nik90: no, they're currently testing tvoss' update to location
[12:00] <popey> nik90: well, jibel didn't actually answer my mail yet :)
[12:01] <nik90> popey: ack. I will continue to work on my branch meanwhile.
[12:01] <popey> k
[12:14] <nik90> balloons: ping
[12:25] <newsages> hi
[12:26] <popey> hello
[12:27] <newsages> i try to test mi app, whit c++ plugin and qmake,, but i cant probe on emulator,, QT 5.4... need on emulator,
[14:16] <DS-McGuire> Can someone tell me how I can run a click package in the emulator without uploading it to the store.
[14:19] <batopa> DS-McGuire I have the same question
[14:21] <DS-McGuire> batopa, Any luck at all?
[14:22] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: I haven't done anything much with the emulator myself, but can you SSH into it? if so you can just run "pkcon install-local /path/to/your.click --allow-untrusted"
[14:24] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Thanks! I am going to try that now :)
[14:24] <batopa> DS-McGuire I haven't no time to try it... maybe opening ssh connection on device and load the package to it
[14:24] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: you're welcome :)
[14:29] <balloons> nik90, pong
[14:29] <dholbach> dpm, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10580323/ :)
[14:32] <balloons> DS-McGuire, you get all updated a-ok with the help app?
[14:34] <DS-McGuire> balloons, Yeah I did thanks! We are in talks now about where to take the design of it :)
[14:35] <DS-McGuire> This is where I got to yesterday: http://i.imgur.com/Q0MGBtl.png
[14:36] <balloons> DS-McGuire, really nice! I love nice design. Thanks so much for helping out. Can't wait to see the result
[14:36] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, I am trying the ssh now, I am getting this back: Fatal error: could not resolve: /home/daniel/help-app/help_0.1_all.click
[14:37] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: are you sure you're using install-local not install?
[14:37] <DS-McGuire> balloons, Not a problem, I am very happy to help. I think that design will change to look more native on the phone judging by recent talks :)
[14:38] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Very sure. However I am trying to put this onto a Nexus 10 rather than the emulator, does that make a difference.
[14:40] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: should work fine on real devices (I use it on devices)
[14:40] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: is your user really called daniel?
[14:41] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: surely that should be /home/phablet/help-app/help_0.1_all.click
[14:41] <DS-McGuire> http://i.imgur.com/qy50XS3.jpg Elleo,
[14:42] <DS-McGuire> I don't understand why that would be phablet?
[14:42] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: ah, you need to have your click package on the device
[14:42] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: you're pointing it to a local file
[14:42] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: so the click package has to be on the same system you're running pkgcon on
[14:42] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, My apologizes, I think I have confused you haah! Yeah that's my problem, I can't get it on there to start with.
[14:43] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: so just adb push help_0.1_all.click to your device first
[14:43] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: e.g. adb push /home/daniel/help-app/help_0.1_all.click /home/phablet/
[14:44] <Elleo> DS-McGuire: then ssh to the device, and run pkcon install-local /home/phablet/help_0.1_all.click --allow-untrusted
[14:44] <batopa> Elleo thanks I need it too :)
[14:45] <Elleo> no problem :)
[14:46] <DS-McGuire> Elleo, Thank you so much!! All working now! :D :D
[14:47] <Elleo> great :)
[14:54] <dpm> dholbach, yay!
[14:54] <dholbach> dpm, so I can now safely hide and readd whatever statements we have - I'll add tests for it now
[14:55] <dholbach> scratch that, I'll look into the extension first
[14:55] <dholbach> good morning balloons, one for you: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/help-app/1430336/+merge/252566 :)
[14:56] <dholbach> balloons, it adds no new "\" :-P
[14:57] <balloons> dholbach, lol.. I glanced at it earlier. Found it neat you can check for markdown
[15:09] <dpm> hi DS-McGuire, thanks for your contributions to the help app!
[15:11] <nik90> balloons: hey, when I try running adt-run the tests on my phone, it complains that some dependency cannot be found. http://paste.ubuntu.com/10579772/
[15:11] <nik90> balloons: I followed the instructions from your blog post at http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2014/09/autopilot-test-runners.html
[15:11] <dpm> DS-McGuire, and to answer the question about the emulator: it behaves exactly the same as a physical device when it comes to adb
[15:11] <dpm> so you can use 'adb push' to upload a package to it
[15:12] <dpm> and 'adb shell' to log into it and install it locally with pkcon
[15:12] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Not a problem, I will be making more progress soon. And thanks for the tip :)
[15:12] <dpm> or you can use SSH directly as an alternative
[15:12] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[15:12] <popey> nik90: try adding --setup-commands ro-apt-update
[15:12] <popey> nik90: to the adt-run
[15:13] <nik90> popey: ok
[15:13]  * nik90 tries
[15:13] <popey> i ended up having to make my device rw to do an apt-get update
[15:14] <nik90> oh
[15:14] <nik90> popey: btw what's ro-apt-update? it complains that the command is unknown
[15:15] <popey> bah
[15:15] <popey> adt-run -d --setup-commands ro-apt-update --click com.ubuntu.clock --- ssh -s adb
[15:15] <popey> should work
[15:15] <popey> *should*
[15:15] <balloons> nik90, essentially there is an issue with running tests on an out of date image. That is, an image which things older than the current archive
[15:16] <balloons> sometimes that can even cause problems with -proposed the same day it's released
[15:16] <nik90> ah ok..yeah I am trying to run tests on an rtm device
[15:16] <balloons> no solution since we don't ship test libs or depends with the image; you have to be able to grab them from the archive on-demand, but this is not always possible
[15:17] <nik90> hmm, popey's command doesnt work either http://paste.ubuntu.com/10580554/
[15:17] <balloons> nik90, right, so you can do the apt-get update hack popey mentioned, but it's only a workaround. I'd guess it won't work
[15:17] <popey> yeah, i ended up going rw, doing a sudo apt-get update, then make it ro again
[15:17] <nik90> balloons: ok, I will make the device writable and then try the command from your blog?
[15:17] <popey> sudo mount -o rw,remount /
[15:17] <popey> sudo apt-get update
[15:17] <popey> sudo mount -o remount,ro /
[15:17] <popey> that
[15:17] <popey> annoying
[15:18] <balloons> nik90, well more or less the "answer" is you can only test new images that match what's in the archive
[15:18] <balloons> <-- don't shoot, only the messenger
[15:18] <nik90> hehe .. ok
[15:19] <balloons> nik90, is your rtm image up to date? I felt like last time I tried on rtm it did work for me.. I'm probably running rtm-proposed though
[15:20] <nik90> balloons: yup it is..I should be updating to the OTA-2 image next week hopefully
[15:20] <nik90> balloons: nvr mind, doing what popey did worked...make the device writable, run apt-get update, make it ro, and then run adt-run com.ubuntu.clock
[15:21] <balloons> nik90, so apart from adt, you can always go to rw, install or push depends and manually run autopilot directly. But you'll need to get autopilot on the image asap, as if the archive changes, even that won't save you later :-0
[15:22] <nik90> balloons: hmm, but I figured that was the best part of autopkgtest where it would do all that for me
[15:22] <balloons> nik90, I agree and feel the same. the whole, the archive must == image index though sort of ruins it for me
[15:23] <balloons> I *think* the answer may be to build a click containing packages needed for test. I don't have any other ideas
[15:23] <balloons> in essence adt is never an issue as I use it and I'm always running new images.. But for anything else  . . .
[15:24] <nik90> balloons: ok, I will do the autopilot push, install and run tests part myself..I just was hoping for a consistent way of testing. I will try to make a script for myself for this scenario
[15:24] <popey> BOOM!
[15:24] <popey> Yet again, we have a broken test setup, so people write their own scripts.
[15:24] <popey> madness.
[15:25]  * popey gets his coat
[15:26]  * balloons cries a little
[15:28] <balloons> nik90, adt is the consistent way of testing.. The fun I found out with popey recently though that it only works until the archive changes :-(. Which is sad. So modifying the image to r/w and installing your test depends means you can run it even after those packages are gone from the archive. It's put a dent in the magic
[15:28]  * nik90 hugs balloons
[15:28] <balloons> :-)
[15:28] <balloons> We're closer to having an answer... this is simply another wrinkle to iron out eh/
[15:29] <balloons> in other news, I'm writing qml tests today ;p
[15:29] <nik90> ooh that's cool
[15:31] <popey> nik90: in case it's useful, this is my mad script http://paste.ubuntu.com/10580623/
[15:32] <popey> if you set ONEOFF to com.ubuntu.clock and just run it, it should work
[15:32] <popey> also change logdir :)
[15:32]  * ahayzen also has a magical script for running adt/ap on device :) lol
[15:32] <popey> haha
[15:32] <popey> people_who_script_testing++
[15:32] <ahayzen> ..think it is even called magic_script.py or something
[15:32] <nik90> popey: nice, very organized folder creation with timestamps
[15:33] <dholbach> dpm, I'm looking at comment #1 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/help-app/+bug/1430735
[15:33] <dholbach> dpm, maybe you can explain to me which q&a goes into "eight-col" and which into the "four-col last-col" <div>?
[15:34] <dpm> dholbach, sure
[15:34] <dpm> so on the ubuntu web guidelines each row is twelve-col wide
[15:34] <dholbach> dpm, if I understand it correctly we always want to wrap one specific pair of question+answer in one special div, right?
[15:34] <dholbach> ah ok
[15:35]  * dholbach listens and pays attention
[15:35] <dpm> so first of all, each question regardless would be enclosed in a div class="row"
[15:35] <dpm> that's the 12 col width row
[15:36] <dpm> so each question in a row
[15:36] <dpm> inside that row, you can partition columns as you like
[15:36] <dpm> what I was suggesting was for text-only questions to have an eight-col column for the text and an empty four-col next to it
[15:37] <dholbach> sure that WFM
[15:37] <dpm> for questions with images, we could have an eight-col column for the text and a four-col one for the image next to it
[15:37] <dholbach> ok
[15:37] <dholbach> now I get it
[15:37] <dpm> ok, cool
[15:37] <dholbach> so the "four-col" thing is just for an image
[15:37] <dpm> yeah
[15:37] <dholbach> and not for a separate q&a
[15:37] <dpm> exactly
[15:37] <dholbach> right
[15:38] <dholbach> I'll see what I can do
[15:38] <dpm> but yeah, this is something to have some thoughts on. If you think it overcomplicates things, we can perhaps leave it
[15:38] <dholbach> no, that's fine
[15:41] <dholbach> dpm, do you have the markdown markup for http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/help-app/web/settings.en-us.html somewhere?
[15:42] <dholbach> I'm interested in how the entry for an added image looks like
[15:42] <dholbach> looks like it's not in https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/help-app/test-animated-gif
[15:42] <dpm> dholbach, I think I have a branch, just a sec
[15:42] <dpm> oh, that was the one I tought :)
[15:42]  * dpm looks
[15:42] <dholbach> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10580670/
[15:42] <dholbach> looks like only the image gets added
[15:43] <dpm> ah, yeah, that branch is missing the markup, I just pushed the content to reproduce that bug from yesterday
[15:43]  * dpm pushes markdown
[15:45] <dholbach> go go go!
[15:45]  * dpm needs to reconstruct the branch, which lived in /tmp :)
[15:46] <dholbach> ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡nooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:47] <dpm> :)
[15:48] <dpm> dholbach, actually, I've tested it and lp:~dpm/help-app/test-animated-gif should have all you need
[15:48] <dpm> it's got the markdown on settings.md
[15:49] <dpm> ah wait
[15:49] <dpm> sorry ignore that
[15:49] <dholbach> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/help-app/test-animated-gif/view/head:/edit-here/content/pages/settings.md
[15:50] <dpm> dholbach, try pulling now
[15:51] <dholbach> thanks
[15:51] <dpm> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~dpm/help-app/test-animated-gif/view/head:/edit-here/content/pages/settings.md#L11
[15:52] <dholbach> yep, found it
[15:52] <dholbach> dpm, so... to implement this, I think it'd make sense to always assume something like ".textonly"
[15:53] <dholbach> as it's likely going to be the primary way how we present questions and answers
[15:53] <dholbach> so for cases where we add a picture, we could add something like ".image"
[15:53] <dholbach> or ".highlight" in case we ever want to do that
[15:54] <dholbach> and add the statement to both question and answer line
[15:54] <dholbach> so the extension knows what to do and what to replace it with
[15:54] <dholbach> does that generally make sense?
[15:55] <dpm> right, yeah. But perhaps we'd need to use some other notation to distinguish it from the python-markdown attribute lists
[15:55] <dpm> what I mean is that we use {: .someclass} to add a class to an element
[15:56] <dholbach> dpm, I was actually thinking of dropping the attr-list extension again
[15:56] <dpm> but with this new extension we'd be wrapping divs around the questions
[15:56] <dholbach> as we don't necessarily use it right now
[15:56] <dpm> dholbach, sounds good to me if we're not using it, yeah
[15:56]  * dholbach nods
[15:56] <dholbach> smile! I'll add this conversation to the bug report
[16:14] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Has anyone thought about how we go "back" in the help app?
[16:15]  * DS-McGuire currently working to make the app not depend on css from a server.
[16:53] <dobey> is there a way to set the qt main window title to something other than what the current Page's title is yet? if not in qml, is it possible to do so when driving the qml from c++ directly?
[17:01] <kalikiana> t1mp: still waiting on a reply from mir folks but fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1425307
[17:01] <kalikiana> this seems to explain the failures in ci
[17:14] <dpm> DS-McGuire, sorry, I was on some calls. Yeah, thought about it, I think it's a critical part we need to figure out. On the web theme, I was thinking of adding breadcrumbs
[17:14] <dpm> which is easy enough when you deal with raw html, but as we're working with markdown for the content, this proves to be a bit more difficult
[17:15] <DS-McGuire> dpm, That is something I was thinking. I have already set it up so when it's on a tablet it adjusts and give it self lots of room for breadcrumbs. However I struggle to think about how we could do this on the phone.
[17:16] <dpm> DS-McGuire, if we use the html toolkit, we could theoretically use the pagestack widget
[17:17] <dpm> but markdown is always the limiting factor, as it's not easy to define html markdown there
[17:17] <dpm> however, on this one perhaps it wouldn't be that difficult to add it to the pelican template code
[17:17] <dpm> it's just that we haven't looked at it yet
[17:18] <DS-McGuire> dpm, That is fine with me, however I have already written a HTML5 app using that and I didn't find its performance very good. If you can confirm it works well on a proper phone I am happy. The app using this is in the store called Golf Score Card if you want to see what I mean.
[17:18] <dpm> oh cool, I haven't tried that yet
[17:18]  * dpm installs
[17:19] <DS-McGuire> dpm, It was only a simple app I wrote to see what I could do in a couple of days.
[17:21] <dpm> DS-McGuire, oh wow, good work in exercising the html5 toolkit! Just tried it now. It works well on the phone, I probably could have not told it was an html5 app if you hadn't mentioned it
[17:22] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Thanks! That means quite a lot :)
[17:22] <dpm> I think I see what you mean about performance
[17:22] <DS-McGuire> Yeah, it is not the best at the moment.
[17:22] <dpm> it takes slightly longer to e.g. switch tabs vs a QML app
[17:23] <DS-McGuire> Without a doubt. I don't want that sort of performance in an app that's quite important to some people.
[17:24] <daker> dpm: screenshot ?
[17:24] <dpm> daker, of Golf Score Card?
[17:24] <daker> yes
[17:24] <dpm> on it
[17:26] <dpm> daker, http://i.imgur.com/KGNhdiJ.png
[17:27] <daker> DS-McGuire: is this HTML5 ?
[17:27] <dobey> shouldn't that be 18/9 holes
[17:27] <dobey> ?
[17:27] <daker> DS-McGuire: well yes from what i can see :)
[17:28] <DS-McGuire> dpm, I didn't even know it did that! haha
[17:28] <DS-McGuire> Oh, and I do see that mistake :L :L
[17:29] <dpm> :-)
[17:29]  * DS-McGuire loads sdk
[17:29] <dpm> daker, it is
[17:30] <DS-McGuire> dpm, The performance issue I was talking about was when you would swipe across through the pages.
[17:30] <dpm> DS-McGuire, ah, there seems to be no swipe anymore with the new header
[17:31] <daker> yes, we have switched to the new header
[17:31] <dpm> good work daker, btw, I did hear we finally landed it!
[17:31]  * dobey wonders about page title vs window title though
[17:31] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Well that's good then. But is there still performance problems? I haven't got an Ubuntu Device so I can't really tell.
[17:31] <DS-McGuire> yes daker It is much nicer :)
[17:32] <dpm> DS-McGuire, I think I wouldn't call them problems. I notice that it takes _slightly_ more to switch to pages than a native app
[17:32] <dpm> but that's probably because I was explicitly looking for a performance issue :)
[17:32] <DS-McGuire> dpm, That's fine then. If you are happy with that performance then I have no problem doing it :)
[17:32] <dpm> I think in this case it's acceptable
[17:32] <dpm> yeah
[17:34] <DS-McGuire> dpm, I will look at it later today :)
[17:34] <dpm> awesome :)
[17:47] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Is something like this okay? http://i.imgur.com/xzUDQl1.png
[17:53] <dpm> DS-McGuire, that looks way better now, yeah :) As a comment, I'd say that perhaps the 3 <li> should probably not look as an action that can be tapped
[17:53] <dpm> bbiab, grabbing something to it
[17:53] <DS-McGuire> dpm, oh, I was planning on making an action that took them to that relevant thing.
[18:04] <dpm> DS-McGuire, yeah, that'd make sense for links, but those 3 are just list items without a link
[18:04] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Do you want them to be or not? I don't mind :P
[18:05] <dpm> DS-McGuire, I think I'd leave them as they are (i.e. not links), as it might be confusing to have both them and the buttons below
[18:06] <DS-McGuire> dpm, Okay :)
[18:06] <dpm> cool, thanks!
[18:11] <dobey> links in apps is confusing, yes
[18:30] <popey> ogra_: what was the max capacity microsd card you said you had in your krillin?
[18:33] <rickspencer3> mhall119, fyi ... lately, I think my tablet might as well be called the UReddit 7 instead of Nexus 7
[18:49] <jgm90> hello guys
[18:50] <ahoneybun> hey jgm90
[18:50] <jgm90> i want to create an app for ubuntu touch
[18:50] <jgm90> i need download a file from url is there any example like that
[18:51] <jgm90> and sry for my english :D
[18:51] <ahoneybun> so you need to use wget jgm90?
[19:33] <DS-McGuire> Can someone give me a hand pushing the code for the help app to LP? I want to rest!
[19:35] <DS-McGuire> balloons, Sorry to be a pain^
[19:36] <balloons> DS-McGuire, what;s your branch?
[19:37] <DS-McGuire> I got the code using: bzr branch lp:help-app and according to LP  I can push the branch directly to Launchpad with the command:
[19:37] <DS-McGuire> bzr push lp:~daniel-mcguire351/help-app/help-app BUt I am not sure what that means.
[19:38] <DS-McGuire> I don't think I have a branch.
[19:39] <dobey> it means you run that command and it will put your changes in that location on launchpad, assuming you've committed your changes
[19:40] <dobey> the last "help-app" in that url is just the branch nick, so if you want to name it "fix-something" instead, you can push to lp:~daniel-mcguire351/help-app/fix-something instead and it will be there (or just rename the local directory from help-app to fix-something first, then push)
[19:40] <DS-McGuire> dobey, I have made changes yes. And when I run that command I get : bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/daniel/".
[19:41] <dobey> DS-McGuire: you need to do it inside the branch tree
[19:41] <dobey> your home directory isn't a branch, which is what that error means (you're not in the branch)
[19:41] <DS-McGuire> dobey, right... So what is the branch?
[19:42] <dobey> DS-McGuire: where did you make the changes?
[19:42] <DS-McGuire> dobey, Do you mean in the code?
[19:42] <dobey> DS-McGuire: the directory created as a result of "bzr branch lp:foo" is the branch
[19:42] <dobey> DS-McGuire: go into that directory and do the bzr push
[19:44] <DS-McGuire> dobey, Done. Thank you so much! I literally am exhausted.  From the directory, type 'bzr commit'
[19:49] <balloons> this will commit your local work to the bzr repo. Then you can issue the push command again and it will appear in launchpad
[19:50] <DS-McGuire> balloons, When I type bzr commit I open nano...
[19:51] <balloons> DS-McGuire, right. Add a small statement about what you did, then save and close nano
[19:52] <balloons> ctrl+o and enter will do the second piece of saving and closing
[19:53] <DS-McGuire> right...
[19:53] <DS-McGuire> I will commit now
[19:54] <DS-McGuire> "Pushed up to revision 91."
[19:55] <DS-McGuire> balloons, Pretty sure that is all done now, thanks a lot :)
[19:59] <balloons> DS-McGuire, can you see what bzr status says?
[19:59] <balloons> whenever you add or remove files from the branch you have to use commands to let bzr know about it. I'm guessing you added some files that aren't showing up
[20:00] <DS-McGuire> I think I may have added a few images, yes. I don't know where to look for the bzr status.
[20:05] <dobey> DS-McGuire: run "bzr status" :)
[20:05] <dobey> DS-McGuire: when you commit, it also lists unconmitted files in a comment in the editor so you can see if you missed any
[20:06] <dobey> you need to "bzr add" new files before committing, so they will be included, though
[20:07] <DS-McGuire> dobey, When I run "bzr status" I get unknown:  app/pictogram-quote-orange-hex.svg
[20:07] <DS-McGuire> I assume i missed that then.
[20:08] <DS-McGuire> Just added it and commited it.
[20:08] <dobey> yes, that means it hasn't been added
[20:08] <DS-McGuire> onto revision 92 now :P
[20:13] <DS-McGuire> Thanks guys for you help, I hope that is all correct :)
[20:13] <balloons> DS-McGuire, you are welcome
[20:13] <balloons> so looking at your mp, there's another little issue (always something eh?). See the 'Text conflict ' line?
[20:13] <DS-McGuire> I have saved all the commands haha!
[20:14] <DS-McGuire> balloons, I do yes
[20:17] <balloons> DS-McGuire, that means your branch is out of sync with trunk
[20:17] <balloons> DS-McGuire, so you need to re-merge trunk
[20:17] <balloons> bzr merge lp:help-app
[20:18] <DS-McGuire> 1 conflicts encountered.
[20:21] <DS-McGuire> I assume that isn't good.
[20:24] <DS-McGuire> balloons, What is the next best step?
[20:27] <balloons> DS-McGuire, what does the conflict say?
[20:27] <balloons> DS-McGuire, to avoid this, use bzr pull to keep your local branch up to date before making changes. I know the help-app has been moving fast, so that's likely the reason it happened ;-0
[20:27] <DS-McGuire> Not attempting to fix packaging branch ancestry, missing pristine tar data for version 0.1.
[20:27] <DS-McGuire>  M  edit-here/po/de.po
[20:27] <DS-McGuire>  M  edit-here/po/es.po
[20:27] <DS-McGuire>  M  edit-here/po/fr.po
[20:27] <DS-McGuire>  M  edit-here/po/it.po
[20:27] <DS-McGuire>  M  edit-here/po/pt.po
[20:27] <DS-McGuire>  M  edit-here/po/ro.po
[20:27] <DS-McGuire> Text conflict in edit-here/po/de.po
[20:27] <balloons> DS-McGuire, did you intend to change that file?
[20:28] <balloons> edit-here/po/de.po I mean
[20:28] <DS-McGuire> balloons, I see. But wont that overwrite what I do?
[20:28] <DS-McGuire> balloons, No I didn't. I never touched that app.
[20:29] <DS-McGuire> app=file^
[20:30] <balloons> DS-McGuire, ok, so you can manually fix it then. Go into the file and edit it
[20:30] <balloons> make it like so: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10582075/
[20:31] <dobey> does help-app have automatically updated po files?
[20:31] <balloons> looks like a lp generate thing yes dobey
[20:31] <balloons> easier ways to tell him to solve it
[20:31] <balloons> ?
[20:31] <dobey> i meant when you run 'make' for example
[20:32] <dobey> if they don't get built locally and only get updated from lp imports then it shouldn't be a problem
[20:32] <DS-McGuire> with the updating of that file do I only change lines 28-30?
[20:32] <dobey> just edit the file and fix whatever happened to have changed in your own branch so that the change isn't there and the version in trunk is what's in your tree
[20:33] <dobey> such that ideally "bzr diff --old lp:help-app" does not include any changes to that file
[20:40] <DS-McGuire> I did update the file however I still have text conflicts.
[20:42] <DS-McGuire> dobey, It looks like all the po files get updated automatically:
[20:42] <DS-McGuire> daniel@Otacon-Desktop:~/help-app$ bzr status
[20:42] <DS-McGuire> modified:
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/de.po
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/es.po
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/fr.po
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/it.po
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/pt.po
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/ro.po
[20:42] <DS-McGuire> unknown:
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/de.po.BASE
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/de.po.OTHER
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   edit-here/po/de.po.THIS
[20:42] <DS-McGuire> conflicts:
[20:42] <DS-McGuire>   Text conflict in edit-here/po/de.po
[20:43] <balloons> DS-McGuire, yes if you edit it the way I showed in the paste (remove the other lines completely), you should be fine
[20:46] <DS-McGuire> balloons, I am so sorry about all this, but mine isn't even like that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10582138/
[20:47] <balloons> DS-McGuire, ohh it's worse now, heh
[20:47] <DS-McGuire> haha!
[20:48] <balloons> DS-McGuire, ok, so the idea is to remove everything between [20:48] <balloons> finally then remove any <<<<<<< TREE lines
[20:51] <DS-McGuire> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10582169/
[20:51] <DS-McGuire> balloons,
[20:51] <balloons> DS-McGuire, then tell bzr to resolve it
[20:51] <balloons> bzr resolve --all
[20:52] <DS-McGuire> balloons, ...
[20:52] <DS-McGuire> 0 conflicts resolved, 0 remaining
[20:52] <DS-McGuire> YAY!
[20:53] <DS-McGuire> If I ever meet you I am buying you a drink...
[20:53] <dobey> yeah conflicted files have conflict markers
[20:53] <DS-McGuire> dobey, So is it all good?
[20:54] <dobey> weird that the headers got changed around like that though
[20:54] <dobey> DS-McGuire: "bzr diff --old lp:help-app"
[20:54] <dobey> DS-McGuire: if that command shows no changes in that file, then you're good
[20:54] <balloons> DS-McGuire, yes more or less simply commit then and push again
[20:54] <dobey> i suspect it'll show you've added an empty line though
[20:56] <DS-McGuire> pushing now :)
[20:57] <DS-McGuire> done balloons and dobey thank you so much guys! :D
[20:58] <balloons> DS-McGuire, you had to learn quite a bit to get that proposed, heh
[20:59] <DS-McGuire> balloons, I literally haven't learnt so much in all my life hahah!
[20:59] <balloons> so DS-McGuire now that everything is "correct" on the mp, the only change I see is you added an image. I presume there are more changes
[20:59] <balloons> so heh, we should solve that
[20:59] <DS-McGuire> I didn't add any more files, just modified them. balloons
[21:01] <balloons> DS-McGuire, I assume you did. The trouble is, we don't see any modifications. Did you make the modifications in the same directory as what you commited?
[21:02] <DS-McGuire> balloons, Jesus. It doesn't have the www folder inside app
[21:06] <DS-McGuire> balloons, If you want the code it's here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/guftavrydtlbk5c/help-app.zip?dl=0 I can't do anymore tonight. I have been awake for 14 hours already. I am sorry for messing most of this up, thanks for you help
[21:26] <t1mp> kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1425307 is fix released now
[22:28] <kalikiana> t1mp: wow that was fast then, looking forward to ci re-running
[23:10] <batopa> which qml components needs to display drawer?


[11:54] <daker> mhall119, a modified version of the light-django-theme is used here https://10.cloud.ubuntu.com/
[12:46] <BeatBoxBudgie> Hello, I've spotted a typo on the 10.10 description page.
[12:47] <daker> BeatBoxBudgie, shoot
[12:48] <BeatBoxBudgie> it's the 'Discover Ubuntu One' section. "consolidate you[r] files"
[12:50] <BeatBoxBudgie> On this site: http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop
[13:18] <mhall119> daker: I know ;)
[14:01] <bilalakhtar> Hello people, the new Ubuntu website modification for the maverick release has put up one link on the front page of the site which says: Try ubuntu today . This evokes a feeling that Ubuntu gives away trial versions for free and is paid for full version. IOW, Ubuntu would appear to new users to be shareware. Opinions?
[14:22] <nigelb> bilalakhtar: do you have a suggestion to improve it?
[14:22] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: Download Ubuntu today!
[14:22] <bilalakhtar> That would be better
[14:23] <bilalakhtar> Try -> feeling of 'trying'
[14:23] <nigelb> can you log a bug against ubuntu-website on LP?
[14:23]  * bilalakhtar files a bug
[14:28] <bilalakhtar> bug #657696
[14:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657696 in ubuntu-website "Link text on the home page could give a very wrong impression of Ubuntu to new users (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657696
[14:28] <bilalakhtar> nigelb: ^^
[17:01] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes points to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta
[17:01] <popey> which is probably not wanted
[17:03] <popey> bug 657758
[17:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 657758 in ubuntu-website "Release notes page points to beta, we're released now (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657758
[17:28] <stas> mhall119: ping
[17:29] <stas> there was a bug with orange color that was wrong, do you remember the bug?
[18:39] <mhall119> stas: pong
[18:39] <mhall119> I don't remember the bug number, no
[18:39] <mhall119> it may not have had it's own bug, it may have been part of a larger "match the guidelines" bug
[23:42] <stas> i updated the light-wordpress-theme, lots of improvements, so if somebody has projects based on it, update please
[23:42] <stas> it also should be compatible with latest thematic


[00:03] <valorie> jaafar_: try kdeconnect
[00:03] <valorie> works great!
[00:03] <valorie> no need for bluetooth, just a shared network
[00:03] <valorie> !info kdeconnect
[01:17] <jaafar_> thanks valorie but I'm awfully stubborn :)
[01:18] <valorie> heh
[01:18] <valorie> getting bluetooth to work better would be great
[01:18] <valorie> I couldn't get my new bluetooth earbuds to work with my computer
[01:18] <valorie> but they worked fine with my phone
[04:19] <psyrus> has anyone had any luck installing GNOME gui in kubuntu using synaptic package manager?
[04:20] <psyrus> why is it so quiet in here?
[04:21] <psyrus> has anyone had any luck installing GNOME gui in kubuntu using synaptic package manager?
[06:18] <valorie> psyrus: sometimes it's quiet
[06:18] <valorie> the package is called gnome-desktop I think
[06:19] <valorie> you should be able to install it with any package manager or software center
[06:19] <valorie> I usually use apt in the commandline or muon package manager
[06:19] <valorie> haven't used synaptic for years since there was an alternative
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:58] <breencream> So would you think kubuntu is better than linux mint or the other way around.
[13:00] <mparillo> breencream: Right now, it might be a close call, but Linux Mint has announced that they are dropping KDE.
[13:06] <breencream> Sorry for the ghosting, but I didnt know they are going to drop KDE that is what I love about it. Do you happen to know what they want to switch too?
[13:39] <jubo2> I'm going to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10. I'm just making sure this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades still are valid instructions on how to do it. I've never made a distribution upgrade because I have liked to install clean.
[13:48] <oerheks> jubo2, that wiki is stil valid
[13:48] <jubo2> Ok thanks for the info oerheks
[14:04] <jubo2> Now running 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[14:09] <arran> breencream: have you tried neon?
[14:19] <ronnoc> FWIW: I never upgrade. For me, re-installing while keeping a separate Home partition is always a more consistent result.
[14:24] <jubo2> I usually reinstall to the next disk i.e. I take the old disk out and pop another one in and install on that and then move the files from the old disk that I connect with a USB-to-SATA casing.
[15:09] <jubo2> Upgrade complete. Rebooting.
[15:14] <jubo2> Jee! All seems to be working fine after the upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10
[15:58] <waldmeister> hi
[15:58] <waldmeister> what is the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu with kde installed?
[16:11] <mparillo> waldmeister: If start with Ubuntu, you get (for example) two file managers (Nautilus and Dolphin). You may have two DMs (LightDM (or have they switched to GDM?) and SDDM), etc. Once upon a time KDE folks were discussing schedulers to better accommodate background indexing, but I am not sure where that ended. But yes, it can be done.
[16:15] <BluesKaj> too many to list here, waldmeister, but this should help, https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/6syr38/kde_vs_gnome_as_of_august_2017/ , mind you these are opinions and users experiences
[16:19] <waldmeister> thanks
[16:35] <ropel> Hi
[16:36] <waldmeister> hi
[16:37] <ropel> can you help me for for decorticate a return value of linux command in script bash please ? it's for make a directory from all directory listed (with the library) by the command ldd
[16:40] <ropel> at this moment i have this bash script https://pastebin.com/Py8WfbcW
[16:41] <ropel> bonsoir, y aurait il quelqu'n qui pourrait me donner une petite coup de main pour un script bash svp ?
[16:41] <ropel> c'est pour mkdir' les répertoires listé par ldd /bin
[16:44] <ropel> oups i go try in french canal also.. sorry for duplicating
[16:44] <waldmeister> what does name="${li##/*}" do?
[16:46] <ropel> it return the result of last occurence of founded /*
[16:46] <ropel> *in li
[16:50] <waldmeister> i think the field separator is " ", so you also get the "=>" in your li
[16:51] <ropel> ok do you know that is possible to change thise space separator please ??
[16:51] <ropel> *this
[16:55] <waldmeister> what exactly do you want do?
[16:56] <waldmeister> something like this: ldd /bin/bash|while read line; do echo $line | awk '{print $3}'; done
[16:56] <waldmeister> ?
[17:12] <waldmeister>  you will have to parse the lines with "=>" separately though probably
[17:44] <ropel> thank you ++
[19:36] <[Relic]> How does one get 17.10 to detect a digital camera?  Works perfectly fine on 14.04 LTS.  The usb port works fine, it can detect any of the usb drives I have.  The camera just doesn't detect for some reason.
[19:37] <[Relic]> I also tried using a different usb ports to have the camera detected and that didn't work either.
[19:49] <[Relic]> The older camera works the newer one does not detect in 17.10.
[20:10] <[Relic]> Old camera identifies but still has IO error.
[20:30] <mascot-idiot> ]fuck you
[20:49] <mascot-idiot> Im a flame dragon
[20:49] <mascot-idiot> Girls are secretly guys
[20:49] <mascot-idiot> Anime
[20:50] <mascot-idiot> i like apples
[20:50] <mascot-idiot> they're good
[20:50] <mascot-idiot> they taste good
[20:50] <mascot-idiot> really good
[20:50] <mascot-idiot> tasty, mmmmmmm!\
[20:51] <mascot-idiot> GRAYMONKEYNOSPACES
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[22:03] <Kon-> Is there a complete list of bundled apps in a default installation of Kubuntu?
[22:17] <valorie> Kon-: yes, there is a manifest for each ISO
[22:18] <valorie> for instance here, look for the manifest: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/17.10/release/
[22:19] <valorie> 67k text file
[22:20] <Kon-> Thank you


[05:34] <jacob_> hello
[07:32] <NPForever> FALA GALERA
[07:33] <NPForever> Ṕrimeira de diversas vezes usando linux
[07:33] <NPForever> tô muito ansioso
[10:36] <melodie> hi, I have installed Xubuntu Jammy on my laptop, Dell 5580, and yesterday tried to use the dual screen feature. These were tests for a client who told me he can't keep his dual-screen settings from one session to the other. I found the same thing. When rebooting with the same external screen plugged in a nice window asked which setting I preferred. When booting again later with no external screen attached I could not get my panel to show up : it is as if
[10:36] <melodie> it is stuck with the ghost screen.
[10:37] <melodie> I tried changing the settings using the gui tools, no luck, I tried to find the "thing" in the configuration files under ~/.config/xfce/* no luck either, I tried moving them out of the way, it didn't work either.
[10:38] <melodie> so a few questions : is it specifice to Xfce and working better with the official Gnome3 environment?
[10:38] <melodie> and when I mean better, I mean can it work automatically, and revert to normal when there is no second screen plugged in?
[10:39] <melodie> or is it a Jammy issue? And a Focal edition should have been preferred?
[10:41] <melodie> Also I tried to create a profile with a name for the dual screen setup and save it : but the next time I was in the same windows, there was nothing showing in the list. I did it twice, and the profile is not available in the gui window anymore.
[10:41] <melodie> last question : have I missed something?
[12:29] <tomreyn> melodie: i have no proper answer, but some suggestions. (1) look for an existing bug report, if none, use the "ubuntu-bug" command to file one. (2) see if you have ~/.config/monitors.xml and how this might play a role in the constellations you discussed. (3) provide more details (also in the bug report): which graphics card and driver is being used? is this Xorg or Wayland?
[12:30] <melodie> hi tomreyn I was on #ubuntu-fr and with the help of someone I might have found a proper turn around, but I still need to perform some testing
[12:35] <KBar> tomreyn: can xubuntu/xfce even run on wayland?
[12:43] <melodie> KBar, Wayland does not yet replace entirely Xorg, does it?
[12:44] <KBar> it doesn't and it can't
[12:44] <KBar> plenty still use X
[12:48] <tomreyn> oh i really didn't know. i think i read about a year ago that there were first steps being made towards wayland compatibility
[12:49] <tomreyn> or maybe this was just gtk4, which was described as a pre-depends, IIRC.
[12:52] <tomreyn> https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap is probably what i read then
[13:11] <melodie> have a good day! (or night)


[02:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flatpak (bionic-proposed/universe) [0.11.3-3 => 0.11.7-0ubuntu0.1] (ubuntugnome)
[03:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: llvm-toolchain-snapshot [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/universe) [1:7~svn331965-1] (no packageset)
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[07:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [source] (artful-proposed) [3.6.0-1ubuntu6.7]
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[07:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libvirt [source] (bionic-proposed) [4.0.0-1ubuntu8.1]
[07:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted horizon [source] (artful-proposed) [3:12.0.2-0ubuntu1.1]
[07:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted horizon [source] (bionic-proposed) [3:13.0.0-0ubuntu1.1]
[07:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flatpak [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.11.7-0ubuntu0.1]
[07:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alsa-lib [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.3-5ubuntu0.1]
[07:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted munin [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.0.37-1ubuntu0.1]
[07:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virtualbox-ext-pack [source] (bionic-proposed) [5.2.10-3ubuntu18.04.1]
[07:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rasdaemon [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.6.0-1ubuntu0.1]
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, can we please have a zero day SRU for this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ext-pack/+bug/1767402
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I confirm the fix, and this breaks upgrades from xenial and artful
[09:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I got this morning the "upgrade now" window, so better push in updates soon to avoid another 20 bug reports each day
[09:32] <tjaalton> LocutusOfBorg: fine by me if someone else acks it
[09:34] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, the only concern is that it is a friday, and we don't normally release things on a friday
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, I know that, and I never asked for an exception on friday, but people will upgrade in this weekend...
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> btw, you can see the old and new hash here
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> https://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.2.10/SHA256SUMS
[09:35] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, i think you are saying the package is utterly broken as it is, so the new cannot possibly be any worse ?
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> one hash changed, upstream changed the symlink to point to the new release
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, it doesn't even install! the hash verification fails
[09:35] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, no way you can install it
[09:35] <apw> right, and i think i reviewed that SRU, and it was just a one line change
[09:36] <apw> so given what is in the archive won't even pass apt-get install and the change is visually trivial
[09:36] <LocutusOfBorg> upstream left the old ext-pack on the download page, but changed the symlink and I download that one
[09:36] <apw> and even if you got it wrong, it is hard for it to be any differnt from what is there, uninstallable
[09:36] <apw> i think you could argue for a release of it today; especially given it is trashing upgraders
[09:37] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe starting from next vbox release, I'll point to the Oracle_VM_VirtualBox_Extension_Pack-5.2.10-122406.vbox-extpack file
[09:37] <LocutusOfBorg> but maintaining the "122406" number is PITA, because it is the upstream internal release, nothing I can trivially grab with not that much error rate
[09:37] <LocutusOfBorg> so, if you could release I'll love that
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg> today I turn on release 3.0 so it would be a nice birthday gift :)
[09:47] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, ok bug updated, and released
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg> <3 thanks!
[10:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-meta-oem (xenial-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>7.31 => <IP_ADDRESS>7.32] (kernel) (sync)
[10:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-meta-oem [sync] (xenial-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>7.32]
[10:18] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: vlc needs rebuilding for new x265?
[10:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem [amd64] (xenial-proposed/universe) [4.13.0-1027.30] (kernel)
[10:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.13.0-1027.30]
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[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.32.5+18.04 => 2.32.7+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[12:37]  * apw looks at ^ snapd
[12:38] <Laney> infinity: can we build bionic images with PROPOSED=1?
[12:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.32.6+18.04]
[12:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.32.7+18.04]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kraft [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-1]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kraft [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-1]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kraft [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-1]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpam-x2go [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpam-x2go [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpam-x2go [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted llvm-toolchain-snapshot [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1:7~svn331965-1]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kraft [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-1]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kraft [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-1]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpam-x2go [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted mpl-scatter-density [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.3-2]
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted kraft [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [0.80-1]
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpam-x2go [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[13:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted libpam-x2go [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2]
[13:45] <Odd_Bloke> Why did snapd get rejected?  (Is there a way for me to find out why or at least who myself?)
[14:00] <apw> Odd_Bloke, no i don't think you can find out, i think it is logged somewhere you cannot see
[14:00] <apw> Odd_Bloke, though as i said i was looking at it just before it got rejected you can
[14:01] <apw> Odd_Bloke, intuit it was me; the first was rejected because the second exists
[14:01] <apw> Odd_Bloke, the second because a .8 is expected for all series "imminently"
[14:01] <Odd_Bloke> Aha, OK.
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (artful-proposed/main) [2.32.5+17.10 => 2.32.8+17.10] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (bionic-proposed/main) [2.32.5+18.04 => 2.32.8+18.04] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (trusty-proposed/universe) [2.32.5~14.04 => 2.32.8~14.04] (no packageset)
[14:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: snapd (xenial-proposed/main) [2.32.5 => 2.32.8] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:08] <apw> Odd_Bloke, and here they come
[14:08]  * apw is looking at snapd
[14:08] <Odd_Bloke> BUT HOW DO I TELL
[14:08] <Odd_Bloke> ;)
[14:09] <rbasak> sru-review will comment the reject message on the bug. But I tend to reject from the Launchpad web UI before I even get to running sru-review, so that doesn't usually happen for me.
[14:16] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks acheronuk :)
[14:19] <apw> indeed
[14:21]  * apw imagines Odd_Bloke as a grown up 'roly'
[14:24] <Odd_Bloke> apw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roly ?
[14:28] <apw> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hey_Duggee
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openexr [s390x] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.2.1-4] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openexr [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.2.1-4] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
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[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted snapd [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.32.8+18.04]
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openexr [arm64] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.2.1-4] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[14:52] <apw> ^ snapd .8 accepted into bionic, we have a .5 pending which will release on monday, so holding the others
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: openexr [armhf] (cosmic-proposed/main) [2.2.1-4] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[15:39] <coreycb> tjaalton, hello, if you have a chance these SRUs should be ready to promote to -updates:
[15:39] <coreycb> artful: bug 1763320, bionic: bug 1767128, bug 1750777
[15:53] <jbicha> slangasek: please remove src: elementary from cosmic so that we can finish the efl transition, Debian bug 895221
[16:03] <jbicha> and bug 1770680
[16:10] <sil2100> coreycb: we generally don't do Friday releases
[16:10] <sil2100> coreycb: so in most cases such things need to wait for Monday
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openexr [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.1-4]
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openexr [armhf] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.1-4]
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openexr [ppc64el] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.1-4]
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openexr [arm64] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.1-4]
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openexr [s390x] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.1-4]
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted openexr [i386] (cosmic-proposed) [2.2.1-4]
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[17:24] <coreycb> sil2100: sure, that's fine
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: inifile [amd64] (cosmic-proposed/none) [0.4-1] (no packageset)
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[17:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted braceexpand [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [0.1.2-1]
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[18:15] <infinity> Laney: We can, and committed.
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted hashcheck [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [1.0.0-1]
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[19:57] <slangasek> jbicha: elementary shows as having two revdeps in Ubuntu (intone, terminology); will those also fall out for me via process-removals?
[20:03] <slangasek> jbicha: ok, I see we have an soname change (libelementary2 -> libelementary1), and rebuilds in cosmic-proposed; and that transitioning renders the libs uninstallable; I'll do this as a force hint to make sure it goes through, then clean up elementary after
[20:14] <doko> slangasek: please see #ubuntu-devel. jbicha is intentionally dropping patches which we added for MIR inclusion, and forcing the merging work on others. I don't see this appropriate behavior
[20:27] <infinity> tsimonq2: Is there any point in lubuntu-core?  It's so tiny as to be a completely useless thing if installed on its own, and your seeds would be less complex if you just rolled it into desktop.
[20:27] <doko> jbicha: please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ilmbase/+bug/1770748
[20:28] <infinity> tsimonq2: (and if you genuinely think there's a point in core, your seeds are wrong and need fixing :P)
[20:28]  * tsimonq2 hands infinity an ace
[20:28] <tsimonq2> *axe
[20:28] <tsimonq2> Wanna do it?
[20:28] <infinity> tsimonq2: Move core into desktop?  Sure.  I'm already here and committing.
[20:29] <tsimonq2> OK.
[20:30] <flocculant> doko: do you mean inappropriate?
[20:31] <doko> whatever
[20:32] <flocculant> sigh
[20:33] <infinity> tsimonq2: Also, is it intentional that your desktop doesn't depend on desktop-common like everyone else's, or was that snowflakiness a mistake?
[20:35] <infinity> tsimonq2: Ahh, might have been because of no-follow-recommends, you had to duplicate desktop-common?
[21:01] <slangasek> doko: I'm off work today and just happened to be at the keyboard to respond to jbicha's ping.  I certainly agree with the principle that deltas shouldn't be dropped on update without a good reason, but I'm not sure what you want by invoking me in particular.  Maybe you mean to invoke the TB instead?
[21:12] <doko> slangasek: sure, that's the better option


[01:24] <pleia2> akgraner: we forgot about team reports again this month, do you want to send a reminder email to loco-contacts this week so we can include the october team report next week?
[01:25]  * pleia2 has to write october reports for her teams still
[01:59] <akgraner> pleia2, doh!  yes if you don't mind
[01:59] <akgraner> I don't know where my mind is
[01:59] <akgraner> or has been
[02:15] <akgraner> pleia2, all the stats are in - I am not sure what script lizar is using but the stats look to be the right ones...
[02:16] <akgraner> I'll be back online in a about an hour or some one the kids are in bed etc and the house is quiet and I'll finish up any summaries and start moving stuff over
[03:32] <philipballew> akgraner, Any help needed
[03:32] <akgraner> philipballew, I think there are still summaries needed
[03:32] <akgraner> if you have time
[03:33] <akgraner> if not no worries
[03:33] <philipballew> alright, sorry, been busy all weekend. doin homework and planning my trip home from college for turkey day
[03:34] <akgraner> no worries...:-)  that's why we are a team...
[03:34] <akgraner> we help each other out
[03:35] <philipballew> called the mom to tell her I was coming home, then realized its been 3 and a half weeks since I talked to her. interesting phone call this weekend then. so thats been my weekend akgraner but I can do some now
[03:36] <akgraner> thanks...
[03:36] <akgraner> bbiab
[03:37] <akgraner> teenagers gotta luv 'em  grrrrr
[03:38]  * philipballew is 19 so will soon be able to say fun things about teenagers
[14:59] <akgraner> Monday Monday....how
[14:59] <akgraner> grrr stupid enter key...
[15:06] <akgraner> hmm is there not any loco news - me looks for some...
[15:07] <holstein> sorry i havent been more active newsies...
[15:07] <holstein> im needing to move again, and im a bit of a mess
[15:07] <holstein> hopefully things will chill out an a week or so
[15:35] <akgraner> holstein, anything I can help with - I am just over the mt
[15:36] <holstein> akgraner: thanks!
[15:36] <holstein> nah... its going to be fine
[15:36] <holstein> you are sweet for asking though :)
[15:36] <akgraner> :-)
[16:07] <akgraner> I'll be in and out of the wiki for the next few minutes....
[16:42] <akgraner> ok so I left the links that still need to be summarized on the googledoc - I am going to look for the development team meetings and remove the sections that don't have news....
[16:50] <nlsthzn> Hi, the links left in the google doc... they are still to be done or are already?
[16:56] <akgraner> need to be done...
[16:57] <nlsthzn> akgraner, k... on it :)
[17:03] <akgraner> nlsthzn, thanks!
[17:04] <nlsthzn> np
[17:05]  * akgraner goes to look for a few more items now that nlsthzn is summarizing the links that are left...
[17:05] <nlsthzn> >.<
[17:57] <nlsthzn> Done (for now) :p
[18:00] <pleia2> akgraner: https://plus.google.com/100887841569748798697/posts/ZG4W98YVGPF
[18:00] <pleia2> add to appreciation section?
[18:01] <akgraner> pleia2, perfect :-)
[18:02] <akgraner> I pulled a post from the loco directory blog about the Romanian team and added it - and I'm adding a reminder about the loco directory as well
[18:02] <akgraner> nlsthzn, thanks!
[18:03] <pleia2> ah, good idea
[18:05] <akgraner> pleia2, added to to the googledoc
[18:06] <akgraner> I'll move all these summaries over can you proof it once I move them overt
[18:06] <akgraner> over
[18:07] <Unit193> Howdy, I'd like to request a time fix for the IRC meeting, it's supposed to be second Saturday of each month at 11:00 UTC and on the last Sunday of each month at 18:00 UTC (I know the Sunday coming up isn't correct)
[18:09] <pleia2> this is for the fridge calendar, Unit193 what team?
[18:09] <pleia2> akgraner: can you take care of this? and I won't have time to review for a few hours, work work :\
[18:11] <akgraner> yeppers
[18:11] <akgraner> on it
[18:11] <akgraner> Unit193, which team and I can go ahead and fix it for you?
[18:13] <Unit193> IRC Council, I can't exactly approve it, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda is my backup
[18:14] <akgraner> ok
[18:14] <akgraner> thanks!
[18:16] <Unit193> Thank you very much. I use the fridge (GCal) more than I would ever a wiki :)
[18:17] <akgraner> Unit193, I fixed the one for the 27th and I just sent myself an email to fix the rest of them after UWN is out :-)
[18:17] <akgraner> thanks for bringing it up...
[18:18] <akgraner> Happy we can help :-)
[18:20] <Unit193> Again, thanks. That was bugging me :P
[18:26] <akgraner> No worries - I'll get it fixed for ya and ping ya to double check once I am finished updating it
[18:26] <akgraner> Unit193, ^^
[18:28] <Unit193> Ok, I'll idle here for a while. Anything a non-writer can do?
[18:28] <akgraner> Ok all the summaries and information have been moved over - I'm going to step away and grab some lunch the re-read and proof it.  If someone else could also look over it for obvious spelling errors or Camelcases (hotlinks) like LoCo and stuff that would be great...
[18:28] <akgraner> s/the/then
[18:31] <akgraner> Googledoc has been changed to reflect Issue 242 - so if you see links today you can go ahead and add them as you see them...
[18:32] <akgraner> Issue 242 will cover November 14-20 in case you are wondering :-)  bbiab...   Thanks in advance everyone!
[18:46] <pleia2> reviewing now
[18:47] <nlsthzn> linky?
[18:47] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue241
[18:48]  * pleia2 making a few edits
[18:49] <nlsthzn> thanks
[18:52] <pleia2> ok, saved
[18:53]  * nlsthzn isn't a fan of the whole "<Name> reports..... <Name> continues...." style
[18:54] <pleia2> where would you put their name?
[18:55] <pleia2> we're looking to write some style guidelines, so feedback is good :)
[18:55] <nlsthzn> I don't think every single summary needs them (at least I see some don't have them at least)
[18:55] <nlsthzn> At least
[18:55] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:56] <pleia2> one of the big things that came out of UDS was making sure we give pepole credit and "thanks" so I think including the name is important
[18:56] <nlsthzn> but the news letter looks really good btw
[18:57] <nlsthzn> why not include the others by default underneath the titles?
[18:57] <pleia2> that might be a possibility
[19:20] <akgraner> pleia2, is there anything else besides the in this issue than needs to be added or fixed?
[19:21] <pleia2> akgraner: nope, we're all set!
[19:21] <akgraner> If not I'm back from lunch and can finish that up and publish
[19:21] <akgraner> ok great!
[19:35] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[19:35] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue241
[19:35] <akgraner> Thanks Everyone!
[19:38] <nlsthzn> yippee
[20:06] <akgraner> Everything has been updated, archived and published - \o/  yay!
[20:06] <Unit193> Congratulations!
[20:09] <akgraner> Thanks now to start all over again :-)