[08:37] <bryce> I'll be afk tomorrow morning; reviewing son's preschool.
[08:38] <tjaalton> don't be too hard on them ;)
[08:53] <tjaalton> bryce: btw, looks like the workqueue bug search doesn't show bugs that have other packages listed as affected
[08:53] <tjaalton> was wondering why some -intel bugs don't show up on the list, no matter what the bug status is
[09:05] <tjaalton> hmm not that simple
[10:41] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: but we have a MRE for mesa? \o/
[10:43] <mlankhorst> oh still need to run piglit for that.. yikes
[10:48] <tjaalton> provisional mre, but I guess we could apply for a standing one
[10:48] <tjaalton> how's 9.0.2 shaping up?
[11:13] <xnox> mlankhorst: have you seen the mini-mailing-list bug #993187 ?
[11:13] <xnox> (never mind the bogus plymouth package in it)
[11:13] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: uploaded to raring
[11:13] <xnox> it's a linux/x bug with a lot of angy people in it.
[11:14] <xnox> Maybe somebody from X team can respond saying what users can try to resolve their issues or like point them to the quantal enablement stack.
[11:14] <xnox> ?
[11:14] <mlankhorst> what's stopping you from recommending to install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal to test? :P
[11:15] <mlankhorst> sounds more like this 1. either has nothing to do with x, 2. has been overloaded to all kinds of hang bugs that may have the same symptons but different underlying causes..
[11:58] <tjaalton> xnox: yeah that bug is just hopeless..
[12:00] <xnox> mlankhorst: tjaalton: yeah it is hopeless, i am naive enough to think experts can redirect useless rants into useful bug reports =)
[12:00] <tjaalton> I tried to bang some sense to it earlier, but it didn't help
[12:00] <mlankhorst> now you know!
[12:02] <tjaalton> hmm what if it's marked private? :)
[12:02] <mlankhorst> don't bother
[12:02] <tjaalton> would that stop the useless comments?
[12:02] <mlankhorst> best you can do is let it die out..
[12:02] <tjaalton> it doesn't seem to :)
[12:02] <mlankhorst> then leave it active and ignore, any effort on it is wasted..
[12:04] <tjaalton> well, a pointer to the backport stack and then mark it private :)
[12:04] <mlankhorst> they'll just find another place to vent..
[12:04] <xnox> i don't think marking it private will help.
[12:04] <xnox> just another spark of "hiding _gasp_ critical bugs"
[12:40] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: what is the "correct" way to enable the backport stack btw, install the kernel & xserver manually?
[12:40] <mlankhorst> install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal (and maybe libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-quantal:i386 if you're on 64-bit to help out apt)
[12:41] <tjaalton> does the xserver pull the new kernel too?
[12:42] <mlankhorst> yeah it has a recommends on it
[12:42] <tjaalton> ok
[12:55] <tjaalton> but folks with dkms modules need the new headers too, unless it recommends linux-generic-lts-...
[12:55] <tjaalton> ?
[12:55] <mlankhorst> yeah but that's probably a kernel problem :P
[12:56] <tjaalton> not really
[12:59] <mlankhorst> I guess when you load from the cd it will install those too
[12:59] <tjaalton> yes
[12:59] <tjaalton> so whenever someone suggests the backport stack, it should be linux-generic-lts-.. + the xserver
[12:59] <mlankhorst> Package: linux-generic-lts-quantal
[12:59] <mlankhorst> Depends: linux-image-generic-lts-quantal, linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal
[12:59] <tjaalton> ah
[12:59] <tjaalton> that's fine then :)
[13:00] <tjaalton> didn't bother checking myself :)
[13:00] <tjaalton> i guess someone would've complained already..
[14:32]  * mlankhorst fighting piglit
[16:26] <mlankhorst> surprisingly, no lockup yet
[16:45] <mlankhorst> bryceh: I'm not getting any lockup on piglit atm on mesa-master with my fermi, though some traps  so it's probably not completely correct, but still :)
[17:09] <stgraber> hey there, anyone who has some time to help me debug some DisplayPort problems on Intel graphics? :)
[17:11]  * mlankhorst points at topic
[17:13] <stgraber> fine, I'll do that, not that you'll find anything interesting in the logs (otherwise I'd have fixed the problem myself)
[17:14] <stgraber> (the problem is that DisplayPort daisy-chaining doesn't appear to work at all, to the point where the second display doesn't show up anywhere on the system)
[17:23] <stgraber> bug 1104230
[17:29] <mlankhorst> could try to bug the intel devs in #intel-gfx, see what they think :)
[17:38] <stgraber> mlankhorst: I'll do that in a bit. Just waiting for a friend with the same laptop but running Windows to confirm that my setup works fine on Windows :)
[17:58] <tjaalton> also try this kernel for fun http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/current/
[18:28] <Sarvatt> stgraber: in order to do triple head on ivybridge 2 of the monitors need to be identical and use the same type of connection, you might want to try disabling the internal display
[18:28]  * Sarvatt has to run for a bit
[18:29] <stgraber> I'm starting to suspect that the DP cable I got today is bad as Windows doesn't see anything more than Linux and plugging the DP-DP cable in my laptop (with a DP to mini-DP adapter) doesn't find anything (using a mini-DP to DP to that screen works though)
[18:30] <stgraber> so I marked my bug as incomplete for now. I was expecting another DP cable next week anyway, so I'll retest then
[18:31] <stgraber> (I know I'll need to turn off the LVDS to have the two others work, but DP2 should at least show up before that ;))
[18:32] <stgraber> it's really weird how difficult it's to find a standard DP-to-DP cable these days, seems like people just want DP-to-anything-else...
[20:54] <chiluk> not sure if this is the right place, but I love the new unity dash icon in raring that was pushed in recently whoever did it kudos.
[21:12] <tjaalton> someone in #ubuntu-unity perhaps
[21:16] <chiluk> thanks tjaalton


[02:48] <fareast> word up
[02:48] <fareast> I just realized I could run flipboard on linux
[02:48] <fareast> how many android apps have a port on here
[02:49] <fareast> I am not using ubuntu but am using elementary and I think it is like the same thing right?
[02:49] <fareast> In all honesty should I be running an android emulator
[02:50] <fareast> what is going to get me the best experience from a linux machine as far as apps?
[02:50] <fareast> I am looking for using it as a desktop option
[02:50] <fareast> I currently love windows 10 and see nothing wrong with it although I don't like how unpersonal windows has become it is just too easy especially if you work in IT
[02:51] <Bashing-om> fareast: Better to ask in ##linux .
[02:51] <fareast> thanks for the response
[02:51] <fareast> see you guys later
[05:46] <EriC^^> morning all
[05:52] <ducasse> good morning
[06:17] <EriC^^> hey ducasse o/
[06:17] <EriC^^> how are you?
[06:21] <ducasse> hi EriC^^, all good here. you?
[06:22] <EriC^^> good thanks
[06:23] <ducasse> any plans for the day? :)
[06:24] <EriC^^> plan to do a little coding for some script now
[06:24] <EriC^^> i want to add a "top useful comments" to the right side of youtubextras.com
[06:25] <EriC^^> what about you?
[06:27] <ducasse> not sure, maybe i'll try to finish a few chapters of the python book. i was also given an external disk a while back i've been planning to encrypt and write a backup script for.
[06:27] <ducasse> plus a udev trigger, so i just need to plug it in.
[06:30] <EriC^^> cool
[06:30] <EriC^^> i want to right a udev script or maybe a keyboard shortcut for the hdmi plug out/plug in, sometimes it doesn't switch back to laptop output
[06:32] <ducasse> either should be quite easy, udev rule would be nicer
[06:32] <EriC^^> yup
[06:33] <ducasse> is 'xrandr --auto' enough to fix it when this happens?
[06:37] <EriC^^> the screen works properly, the sound doesn't switch sometimes though
[06:38] <EriC^^> sometimes it switches, then when i logout and back in it'll go back to hdmi, it's kind of odd
[06:40] <ducasse> right, that sounds weird. maybe there are log messages from pulse?
[06:40] <EriC^^> that's a good idea, i'll check it out
[06:59] <EriC^^> hey immu
[07:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:22] <EriC^^> morning lordievader o/
[07:25] <lordievader> Hey EriC^^, how are you?
[07:26] <EriC^^> good thanks, what about you?
[07:27] <immu> how are you doing?
[07:27] <ducasse> \o lordievader
[07:27] <immu> lordievader, good morning
[07:27] <immu> hi ducasse
[07:27] <EriC^^> immu: good thanks, how are you?
[07:28] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[07:29] <lordievader> Hey immu
[07:30] <immu> had my breakfast and taking with my sister on skype :) you all
[12:09] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:09] <brunch_> mornin' Blueskaj
[12:11] <BluesKaj> 'Morning brunch_
[12:24] <brunch> I installed unity
[12:24] <brunch> don't try to stop me
[12:29] <brunch> aaaah I missed it much
[12:29] <brunch> it's the best DE, don't understand the hate :(
[12:31] <TJ-> It's terrible on high-res and multi-monitor systems
[12:34] <brunch> I'm on high-res on a multi-monitor setup
[12:34] <brunch> :s
[12:35] <TJ-> I have 6 hi-res monitors; unity is unusuable on this setup. It gets in the way, puts applications on the wrong monitor, doesn't figure out the correct res for maximised windows on a single monitor, and other issues
[12:36] <brunch> oh I just use the big screen attached to my laptop
[12:38] <TJ-> And that sidebar launcher thing always gets in the way, or pops out when I move to a monitor on the left, or it sometimes would grab the mouse and prevent it moving to the left monitor
[12:39] <TJ-> the problem with unity was it's origins was in creating a GUI for phones/tablets and then forcing hi-res desktops to use the same layout, which simply doesn't scale properly for hi-res systems (forcing app menu's to the single top taskbar for example - until revolt forced the intro of the option to prevent that)
[12:50] <daftykins> brunch: heh you're only delaying the inevitable
[12:56] <TJ-> I solved the PSX controller missing buttons issue - turned out both devices I was testing with (a dualshock 2 and a dance-mat) had hardware failures (broken traces on their flexible ribbons). I had more of those devices stored away and fetched them and everything works fine
[12:56] <TJ-> So I wasted almost a day thinking there was a problem with the evdev/libinput stuff
[13:19] <daftykins> oof.
[14:11] <immu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piyUrLFvVUw
[14:12] <immu> EriC^^, hi ducasse BluesKaj :)
[14:40] <oerheks> nice video immu
[14:41] <oerheks> .. especially the universal access menu .. still watching
[14:42] <oerheks> cursor size, nice
[14:49] <nicomachus> immu: what Telegram app was that?
[14:49] <nicomachus> just a desktop client from Telegram itself?
[14:52] <oerheks> snap i guess
[14:52] <oerheks> telegram-sergiusens ?
[14:53] <immu> i am not sure as i didn't make the videos
[14:53] <immu> but you will get it in the app store
[14:55] <nicomachus> well I'm using an app called Franz that wraps Telegram in with a lot of others, I was going to recommend it. Haha
[14:55] <EriC^^> hey immu
[14:58] <immu> hey
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[16:26] <ducasse> hey, lotus! :)
[16:26] <ducasse> wb :)
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse how are you?
[16:26] <immu> lotuspsychje, ducasse hi
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[16:26] <immu> whats up
[16:27] <ducasse> i'm sleepy - zZzZzZ... :)
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> rainy here, movienight
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> and short break on irc
[16:27] <immu> hot here
[16:27] <immu> dry and hot
[16:27] <ducasse> watching what?
[16:27] <immu> send a small video of your rainyday
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: a french movie
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> immu: im not a social mediafreak :p
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> immu: your gonna have to trust my word
[16:29] <immu> i just wanted to see a rainy day on your side of the planet
[16:29] <ducasse> it's been raining here too, but not atm - just really grey
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> immu: google belgium forecast
[16:29] <immu> sure
[16:32] <ducasse> immu: a picture, if that helps you ;) https://dl2.pushbulletusercontent.com/SDJCbL6WDROx9KC71STPInaEyEGNL37L/20170908_182947.jpg
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0926759/
[16:33] <immu> lotuspsychje, thats lovely thnx
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> was pretty decent
[16:33] <immu> nice backyard :)
[16:36] <ducasse> the skies look a lot darker irl, bad camera on that phone
[16:37] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: not heard of it, french movies don't get much coverage here
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i see
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: nordic and english then?
[16:43] <ducasse> yup, mostly.
[16:44] <ducasse> i saw a poster for 'it' today, will probably go see that.
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: lets hope its gonna be better then dark tower :p
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: is it totaly new, or the remake of the old one?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[16:46] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[16:47] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: remake, aiui
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> i guess !wayland might need a remake soon also
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[16:47] <ubot5`> Wayland is a display server protocol that is intended to replace X. More information can be found at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/ . Ubuntu is instead focusing on development of !Mir; see its factoid for more information.
[16:48] <ducasse> ouch
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> rip mir :p
[16:48] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj :)
[16:48] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse
[16:50] <BluesKaj> I've been wondering about wayland, and the good news is there's work progressing towards nvidia support for it
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: work in wich way you know?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> don't ask me were i saw that,m but it's nvidia linux devs afaik
[16:53] <BluesKaj> where
[16:54] <ducasse> BluesKaj: do you know what the actual problem is/has been? just reluctance?
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yes, thaink they needed a kick in the butt to get moving on wayland support ...probly just "benign neglect"
[16:55] <ducasse> laziness, in other words :)
[16:56] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:58] <BluesKaj> think it was on one of the fedora project pages or one of it's developers blogs
[17:01] <BluesKaj> well I'm off to to some yardwork for a couple hrs ...BBL
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[17:01] <ducasse> don't think i've seen a "how do i configure this?" wayland question before in #ubuntu, in many ways i'm not looking forward to them
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> wouldnt know where to start
[17:03] <ducasse> well, i've played with it for a while, and there are plenty of things i know how to do in x11 that is just completely missing
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server_protocol)
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> lets c lol
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> jesus thats some heavy stuff
[17:09] <ducasse> tl;dr
[17:10] <ducasse> so, stuff like hidpi and resolutions, for example - is that up to the individual compositors to handle?
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> i have no idea ducasse
[17:14] <ducasse> looks like it, from the little i can find
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Wayland_problems
[17:19] <ducasse> good find :) i'm on the arch wiki myself, always my first stop :)
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[17:26] <daftykins> mmm that wiki situation is a sad one
[17:26] <ducasse> meep-meep!
[17:26] <daftykins> seemed like such a minefield every time i tried to improve a 'buntu page, though
[17:28]  * lotuspsychje_ hates lags grrr
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> i posted the mms prob on a belgium provider forum
[17:32] <daftykins> ah har
[17:32] <daftykins> 90% of replies "so that's the guy that uses MMS" :D
[17:32] <lotuspsychje> a guy posted his mms settings
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> and their all the same, so probably its provider block somehow
[17:35] <daftykins> hrmm, yeah definitely a weird one! although i once had a quirk with a telco in England where texts wouldn't send and i'd get charged, it was because the SIM had an incorrect "message service center" built in
[17:35] <daftykins> the phone i had at the time had no way to change that, so i had to just pop into the telco shop and get a newer SIM
[17:36] <daftykins> not sure if the age of SIM is relevant to your client
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> aha thats an idea daftykins
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> they sent the new simcard through the mail
[17:36] <ducasse> EriC^^: here we go, silvian returns...
[17:36] <immu> lotuspsychje, ask your carrier to msg you the settings to your phone
[17:36] <immu> install and reboot
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: troll?
[17:37] <daftykins> yeah settings aren't gonna help
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: the weird thing was, on the phone apn settings there was a whole list of apn's
[17:38] <daftykins> yeah usually android handsets just guess and you have to pick (but only for data)
[17:38] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: "i know *everything*", except he really doesn't
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: uh-oh
[17:38] <daftykins> mine only has my data one, then the mms one
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: this provider is a 'branch' of another bigger provider, perhaps they block new customers of same settings?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> i had this with my phone once
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> main provider had to enter some number in router, but they took too long to do it
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> so phone didnt work
[17:41] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje daftykins ducasse
[17:41] <EriC^^> immu
[17:41] <daftykins> \o
[17:42] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: i watched pirates of the carribean today, it was kind of fun
[17:42] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: ooooh is it an MVNO perhaps? mobile virtual network operator, use anothers' equipment but operate on their own
[17:42] <immu> what EriC^^ ?
[17:42] <immu> i watched wonder woman?
[17:43] <immu> lotuspsychje, which phone you got?
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: not really, its a new existing provider, but also uses same dsl lines in belgium
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> immu: i got ubuntu aquarius 4.5
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> immu: but this mms problem is on a galaxy A3 2017
[17:44] <daftykins> can't remember, did touch die entirely on phone?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: updates stopped on july 2017
[17:45] <daftykins> and that's it forever more?
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> but im still using it atm
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i should install the ubports image now
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> that projects continues the job
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> #ubports
[17:46] <daftykins> nicomachus: oh i read a claim that oreo is using mobile data even with wifi on and connected, but i always turn mobile data off manually so i've no idea if it's true :D
[17:46] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: also turnoff data myself
[17:47] <daftykins> i only pay for 500MB/month :)
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> i got prepaid, 50 euro for few months
[18:07] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: did you see shotcaller yet?
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: not yet you?
[18:08] <EriC^^> nope not yet
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> tv time here guys
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> first ep of the voice of flanders
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> laterz all
[18:09] <EriC^^> the voice of flanders?
[18:09] <EriC^^> simpsons flanders?
[18:09] <immu> maybe we should google it ?
[18:10] <ducasse> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Voice_van_Vlaanderen
[18:10] <EriC^^> ohhh
[18:12] <immu> The Voice van Vlaanderen
[18:12] <immu> :)
[18:15] <EriC^^> i'm hyped for the america's got talent show
[18:15] <EriC^^> every year i watch it on youtube, pretty close this year
[18:42] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: mmcblk0p2 == ? AHCI set in nios ? and recon this is a NVME device where we want the boot parameter nvme_load=YES  ??
[18:43] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: that's one of the hybrid tablet pc's
[18:43] <Bashing-om> bios/nios
[18:43] <immu> https://youtu.be/aSWihp6yV4Q
[18:43] <daftykins> nah MMC is non-NVMe :)
[18:45] <Bashing-om> daftykins: :) .. Oh when can we return you to ubuntu support direct ... Oh me oH My :)
[18:47] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:52] <EriC^^> let's make ubuntu great again!
[18:53] <EriC^^> haha
[18:53] <immu> EriC^^, yeah
[18:53] <daftykins> XD
[18:53] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Great ... I miss 10.04 !
[19:00] <immu> hmm
[19:00] <daftykins> back when times were simple :)
[19:01] <immu> yeah


[18:21] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[18:21] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[18:22] <pavlushka> zaki: what's up?
[18:22] <zaki> pavlushka, I'm good.


[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:57] <dholbach> hey mvo, njpatel, seb128
[08:58] <seb128> hello dholbach
[08:58] <njpatel> morning  dholbach
[09:10] <mvo> hey dholbach, seb128, njpatel
[09:10] <seb128> hello mvo
[09:10] <seb128> mvo: how went the sponsoring yesterday? ;-)
[09:12] <seb128> mvo: just teasing you ;-)
[09:12] <mvo> *cough*
[09:12] <mvo> *cough*
[09:13]  * seb128 hugs mvo
[09:13] <seb128> ut crevette
[09:13] <seb128> lut
[09:13] <crevette> salut seb128
[09:26] <seb128> mvo: could you look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/210680 if that's a known issue?
[09:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210680 in gedit "un able to upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[09:27] <seb128> "Package udev has broken dep on libdevmapper1.02"
[09:27] <seb128> upgrade issue
[09:29] <seb128_> re
[09:29] <seb128_> mvo: did you get the gedit bug and my question before I got disconnected?
[09:30] <crevette> yes we did seb128
[09:33] <seb128_> crevette: thanks
[09:41] <mvo> seb128_: looking
[09:43] <mvo> seb128_: comment added
[09:44] <seb128_> mvo: thanks
[09:46] <seb128_> mvo: the apt.log was not useful?
 "Package udev has broken dep on libdevmapper1.02"
[09:46] <mvo> seb128_: no, that is just the resolver log
[09:46] <seb128_> dunno if you got that before the disconnect
[09:46] <seb128_> ok
[09:46] <mvo> seb128_: that is useful, but it should be fixed since a couple of days
[09:52] <mvo> seb128_: doing metacity sponsoring now
[09:55] <seb128_> mvo: cool
[09:55] <seb128_> mvo: did you read my comment about the firefox patch yesterday?
[09:56] <mvo> seb128_: this is something that should go upstream too I think
[09:56] <seb128_> the change for firefox?
[09:56] <seb128_> that's being discussed but the topic is not trivial
[09:56] <seb128_> the spec doesn't describe what should be done there
[09:56] <mvo> seb128_: I mean the fix for bug #199402
[09:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199402 in metacity "gnome-appearance-properties crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_theme_get_frame_style()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199402
[09:56] <seb128_> ah
[09:56] <pochu> asac: I've got bug 178558 after X crashed yesterday. I restarted X after seeing the bug to see if that would solve it but it didn't help. I'm going to reboot just in case it helps, but I doubt it as restarting X didn't help
[09:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178558 in xulrunner-1.9 "Firefox 3.0 makes everything annoyingly huge" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178558
[09:57] <seb128_> mvo: the patch is from the upstream maintainer so I think he'll commit to svn too if the didn't yet
[09:57] <mvo> seb128_: heh :) ok, cool
[09:57] <seb128_> s/the/he
[09:57] <asac> pochu: please a screenshot
[09:57] <pochu> sure, attaching in a minute
[09:57] <asac> pochu: and your screen dpi + the gconf dpi setting
[09:58] <asac> ah ok that info is there
[10:03] <kwwii> pitti: did my gdm changes get uploaded? Sorry to bother but it is quite important
[10:04] <pitti> kwwii: I know nothing
[10:06] <pochu> asac: there they are
[10:06] <kwwii> pitti: erm, on Monday I put up a source package and asked you to upload it....let me get the links again
[10:09] <soren> 10:12 < kwwii> pitti: http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28.dsc,  http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28.tar.gz,  http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28_source.build,  http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.28_source.changes
[10:09] <soren> I was looking through logs anyway.. :)
[10:09] <pitti> ah, I uploaded that, yes
[10:10] <pitti> $ rmadison -s hardy ubuntu-gdm-themes
[10:10] <pitti> ubuntu-gdm-themes |       0.28 |         hardy | source, all
[10:10] <pitti> :)
[10:10] <pitti> kwwii: I thought you literally meant 'gdm'
[10:10] <kwwii> pitti: lol, you don't want me touching gdm itself :-)
[10:10] <kwwii> thanks soren :-)
[10:10] <soren> :)
[10:20] <asac> pochu: thats just the zoom level?
[10:20] <asac> not dpi related imo
[10:20] <asac> did you try to rest the zoom level on that page to 0?
[10:21] <asac> s/rest/reset/
[10:23] <pochu> asac: ctrl+0 ?
[10:23] <pochu> doesn't change it
[10:24] <pochu> or ctrl-- will make it ugly
[10:24] <pochu> as in some fonts too small
[10:24] <pochu> e.g. the portlets
[10:25] <asac> pochu: maybe a non default font setup?
[10:26] <pochu> don't think so, haven't changed it
[10:26] <pochu> this is strage, why does only launchpad looks weird?
[10:26] <pochu> asac: I'll try moving out ~/.firefox/
[10:26] <asac> pochu: well crashes might have wierd effects on preferences
[10:26] <asac> yes
[10:26] <asac> try that
[10:27] <pochu> s/firefox/mozilla/
[10:29] <pochu> asac: nothing changed
[10:29] <asac> pitti: we ended up having a C application (by davidm) that does the basic transformation from po2xpi ... how can we make use of that in the langpack generator? do we need that packaged in the archive?
[10:29] <pochu> e.g. liferea still looks good, and in firefox only launchpad.net looks wrong
[10:29] <pochu> s/good/wrong/
[10:30] <asac> pochu: why do you think its too large?
[10:30] <pochu> the dpi in firefox is -1, which is the default
[10:30] <pochu> asac: did you see the screenshot? ;)
[10:30] <asac> yes
[10:30] <asac> i am really bad at look at such things though :(
[10:31] <pochu> this is clearly broken right now
[10:31] <asac> pochu: looks ok to me
[10:32] <asac> for me font in the main content area of bugs is considerably larger then the default font
[10:32] <asac> i remember that things were hard to read, so maybe thats intended
[10:32] <pochu> I haven't read any feed since the crash in Liferea because I can't have more than 2 lines in the window :p
[10:32] <pochu> well yesterday before the crash everything was fine
[10:32] <pochu> I could read launchpad.net, and liferea was nice
[10:33] <asac> pochu: didn't you say that liferea is back to normal now?
[10:33] <pochu> yes, and s/good/wrong/ too, sorry :)
[10:34] <pochu> look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043699/Screenshot-1.png, I have a 22" wide screen monitor and I can't even see the entire description of the bug report now
[10:34] <pochu> the portlets are fine for some reason, but the description and that is big
[10:34] <pochu> is *huge* :)
[10:35] <pochu> they should be like the fonts at ubuntu.com in the same screenshot
[10:35] <pochu> asac: may I reboot to see if it changes anything?
[10:35] <asac> yes... portlets are fine
[10:35] <asac> which makes me think that everything is fine
[10:35] <asac> go to your gnome appearence dialog and see what fonts are configured there
[10:35] <pochu> ok
[10:35] <asac> maybe its also related with some theme package upgrades landed recently ... who knows
[10:36] <pitti> asac: depends which part should do the XPI generation, a script that you run yourself, or LP translations
[10:36] <pochu> Sans, 10
[10:36] <asac> pitti: i think the idea is to ship translations in main language-support-XX
[10:36] <pochu> no visual effects
[10:36] <pitti> asac: if you want to run it on rookery or so, we don't need it packaged (would be nice to do so for intrepid, of course)
[10:36] <asac> that means that its done in LP translations, right?
[10:36] <pochu> hmm, wait, I have metacity compositor enabled
[10:36] <pitti> asac: right
[10:36] <asac> ok, then thats it (unless we find anything blocking)
[10:36] <pochu> I'll disble it to check
[10:36] <pitti> asac: well, not necessarily; we can do it outside until Rosetta learns to put xpi into the exported tarballs
[10:37] <pochu> well, before the crash it was enabled too and was working fine, but it could be that it's buggy
[10:37] <pochu> I don't know why it would only affect xulrunner applications though ;)
[10:37] <asac> pitti: yes. thats what i ask. i think you already run something somewhere :) ... and i wonder if you need a package if we want that hooked in there ;)
[10:38] <asac> pitti: in intrepid i want to get that into launchpad directly of course
[10:38] <pochu> hmm, metacity has crashed when disabling the compositor... it has disabled it though
[10:41] <asac> pitti: i can also produce a directory where the compiled tools are included (along with some meta info we still need in hardy)
[10:42] <pochu> asac: this still looks bad, I'm going to reboot, hopefully it changes anything
[10:42] <pochu> is there any xulrunner dir somewhere?
[10:42] <pochu> or only .mozilla/firefox/ ?
[10:42] <pochu> .mozilla/ ?
[10:42] <asac> pochu: not that i am aware of
[10:42] <pitti> asac: if you could put all that on rookery somewhere, that would be good; then I can integrate it into the langpack-o-matic cronjobs to call your scripts and put the resulting XPIs into the langpacks
[10:42] <pochu> ok, brb
[10:43] <seb128> re
[10:43] <pitti> asac: maybe you can do that installation, and write Arne and me a mail what to call and which files to put into which directories?
[10:43] <asac> pitti: can you run a script for each language with the following arguments: 1) language 2) path_to_extracted_translation_tarball 3) debian/$language_package_name ?
[10:44] <seb128> kwwii: did you change the gdm human theme which lists users in the new version?
[10:44] <asac> or isn't that put into packages?
[10:44] <seb128> kwwii: we got several users having gdm not starting using this theme since recently
[10:44] <kwwii> seb128: yes, I included bersace's changes
[10:44] <pitti> asac: I can (although you should be able to figure out everything from just the path to the extracted source package)
[10:44] <seb128> kwwii: did you try it?
[10:44] <pitti> asac: but I'm happy to extract the source pakcage name and language code for you
[10:45] <kwwii> seb128: hrm, if the list theme does not work then someone should beat up bersace
[10:45] <seb128> kwwii: what was the change about?
[10:45] <asac> pitti: well ... thats too much logic imo
[10:45] <kwwii> seb128: just a visual change to keep it inline with my normal gdm theme changes
[10:45] <seb128> hum
[10:45] <kwwii> when he comes online I will ask him about it
[10:45] <pitti> asac: WDYM with debian/$language_package_name  ?
[10:46] <seb128> kwwii: ok, thanks
[10:46] <kwwii> ouch, is it bad when a system update fails while creating the initramfs :p
[10:46] <pitti> asac: phone call?
[10:53] <pochu> asac: nothing has changed. But I've looked at the log of the X crash (which should have the DPI I had before the crash, when everything was fine), which I attached to bug 190418, and it's the same I have now, so it's not X's fault. Also, I've logged as a different user and everythings'f fine there (yelp and firefox/launchpad.net). So there's something in my profile... I guess it's safe to assume it's not Xulrunner's fault?
[10:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190418 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[965GM]  Server crash when starting totem-xine to play a DVD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190418
[10:53] <asac_> pitti: for each application and language combination i have two files, like xulrunner-de.jar xulrunner-de-chrome.manifest ... should i put them in /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/ or /usr/share/locale-langpack-chrome/
[10:54]  * pochu moves .gconf/ and .gnome2/ out
[10:54] <asac_> (those will be linked to the appropriate application chrome directories then)
[10:55] <pitti> asac_: can we have a phone call to discuss this?
[10:55] <asac_> ok. after lunch?
[10:55] <seb128> mvo: ok, so you didn't consider the firefox change while doing the upload
[10:56] <pochu> brb
[10:56] <seb128> asac: you can upload the metacity change to fix firefox workspace switching issue if you want
[10:56] <pitti> asac_: sure
[10:56] <seb128> asac: that seems to be what users expect and the easier way to fix the issue
[10:56] <asac_> pitti: good. when will you do lunch?
[10:57] <pitti> asac_: around 13:30 probably, when my wife comes back from uni
[10:57] <asac_> seb128: are the negative implications for other applications?
[10:57] <asac_> pitti: ok, ill do the same then :)
[10:58] <seb128> asac_: not sure, redhat is using the change and seems they didn't get complains
[10:58] <seb128> asac_: we can give it a try and revert if users start screaming
[11:00] <mvo> seb128: no, sorry. will look at that next
[11:01] <seb128> mvo: that's alright, no need to do another upload, let asac decide since that's mainly a firefox issue
[11:01] <mvo> ok
[11:08] <pochu> asac: bah, it was .gnome2/monitors.xml
[11:08] <pochu> everything's looks fine now :)
[11:08] <pochu> sorry for making so much noise... i'll comment on the bug to make clear everything's fine
[11:08] <pochu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6354/ <--- the culprit file
[11:09] <pochu> I can't see what's wrong there though, but everything's working perfectly after removing it and logging in
[11:14] <asac> popey: ok. thanks
[11:15] <asac> oops, pochu ^^
[11:16] <popey> :)
[11:20] <seb128> pochu: what was the bug?
[11:21] <seb128> the effects rather
[11:24] <pochu> seb128: liferea, yelp, devhelp, ephy, firefox-3 (all xul-based) had large fonts
[11:24] <pochu> but for firefox, it was only affecting launchpad.net pages
[11:24] <pochu> seb128: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043699/Screenshot-1.png, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043689/Screenshot.png
[11:39] <pochu> seb128: did you see my reply?
[12:05] <seb128_> pochu: no
[12:09] <pochu> 12:24 <     pochu> seb128: liferea, yelp, devhelp, ephy, firefox-3 (all xul-based) had large fonts
[12:09] <pochu> 12:24 <     pochu> but for firefox, it was only affecting launchpad.net pages
[12:09] <pochu> 12:24 <     pochu> seb128: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043699/Screenshot-1.png, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/13043689/Screenshot.png
[12:09] <seb128> weird
[12:10] <pochu> it started after an X crash, and after removing .gnome2/monitors.xml it's been fixed
[12:12] <pochu> asac: I could attach a screenshot with everything fixed so you see the difference ;)
[12:13] <pochu> luckily the intel driver is really more stable than it was at the beggining of the hardy cycle...
[12:13] <asac> pochu: no i don't mind ;)
[12:13] <pochu> I assumed that :)
[12:28] <seb128> kwwii: bug #210538
[12:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210538 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "gdm hangs after theme upgrade and reboot" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210538
[12:29] <seb128> kwwii: the theme upgrade seems to break gdm for all the users running it
[12:29] <seb128> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=742511 too
[12:33] <seb128_> re
[12:34] <seb128_> I was saying
[12:34] <kwwii> seb128: ouch that sucks
[12:34] <seb128_> asac: btw don't bother too much fixing epiphany to work with xul1.9 since they will drop the xulrunner support soon anyway
[12:34] <seb128_> asac: having the invalid certifcate issue fixed in hardy would be still nice though ;-)
[12:34] <seb128_> kwwii: indeed
[12:34] <seb128_> kwwii: testing before uploading is a good idea usually ;-)
[12:34] <kwwii> bersace takes care of that theme
[12:34] <seb128_> can you get him to fix it?
[12:34] <kwwii> definitely
[12:35] <seb128_> I don't blame anybody, and that's not the default theme
[12:35] <seb128_> but fixing it today would be nice
[12:35] <kwwii> if not I will have to fix it myself or remove it
[12:35] <kwwii> I will make sure it gets taken careof
[12:35] <seb128_> well, we can revert to the previous version
[12:35] <seb128_> that should be easy
[12:35] <seb128_> but right, if you can fix it better
[12:35] <kwwii> seb128_: it seems my latest changes did not make it in anyway, so I am working on a new theme package anyway
[12:36] <seb128_> ok, good
[12:38] <asac> seb128_: yes, i read that. however, i read as well, that even 2.24 might not be done so in worst case even the next release will be xul
[12:41] <seb128_> asac: right
[12:58] <pochu> I hope webkit is in a sane state as to be in main for Intrepid, there's a new contributor in Liferea which has been fixind and improving the webkit backend a lot
[15:01] <gNewPower> hi everybody. I just set up a computer with the latest version of Ubuntu and all my fonts lack "crispness" (for lack of a better word). they look kind of blurred. any idea of what might be causing this?
[16:26] <Keybuk> I hate DST
[16:42] <vuntz> seb128__: stop disconnecting, I can't talk to you in a query if you do this!
[16:42] <vuntz> :-)
[16:43] <seb128__> vuntz: tell that to orange!
[16:45] <kwwii> seb128__: I found some more links that I needed to add so there is another human icon theme package coming soon
[16:45] <kwwii> seb128__: and the human list error is simply freaky...cannot figure out why it is b0rked
[17:00] <seb128__> kwwii: weird
[17:00] <seb128__> kwwii: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntulooks/+bug/210837 btw
[17:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210837 in ubuntulooks "Colors of human theme are displayed incorrectly in gnome-appearance-properties" [Undecided,New]
[17:00] <seb128__> kwwii: the theme preview is incorrect since the ubuntulooks changes
[17:09] <kwwii> seb128__: apparently that is a bug in the way the previews are made
[17:10] <kwwii> seb128__: when I have the metacity with the gtkrc together it shows up right
[17:11] <seb128__> together?
[17:11] <tedg> So, let's say someone has their laptop configured to suspend on lid close, but there is another application inhibiting GPM, should we blank the screen?
[17:11] <kwwii> yes, like a normal theme, with the index.theme in the main dir and the gtkrc and metacity in subdirs
[17:12] <seb128__> kwwii: that's how it is now, no?
[17:12] <seb128__> tedg: I would say that the screen should always be cut when the lid is closed, what is the point to use energy for something which you can't look at anyway?
[17:13] <seb128__> -which
[17:13] <kwwii> seb128__: erm, right in the installed system they are together
[17:14] <kwwii> gosh, I just love packaging
[17:14] <tedg> seb128__: Yeah, my only worry is that someone may perceive that as suspending, throw the laptop in a backpack and destroy their hardware.
[17:14] <tedg> seb128__: I don't know if we're thinking for them in that case.
[17:14] <seb128__> tedg: well if they don't look they will not notice that the screen which is closed is still on anyway
[17:14] <mvo> seb128__: /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%dconf-tree.xml is something we do not use, right?
[17:15] <mvo> or do we?
[17:15] <seb128__> mvo: dconf? is that the new desrt thing ;-)
[17:15] <mvo> meh, typo
[17:15] <seb128__> mvo: that's a bit complicated
[17:15] <tedg> seb128__: True, and I guess by default we do play a sound...  it's a tough situation.
[17:16] <seb128__> mvo: that's what upstream use, we do use /var/lib/gconf/defaults though
[17:16] <tedg> seb128__: I think we should blank, let's see what bugs that generates ;)
[17:16] <seb128__> tedg: it's not though, just cut the screen on lid close, there is not a lot you can't do for people who don't look at what they are doing
[17:16] <mvo> seb128__: I look at a gutsy->hardy upgrade <-> fresh hardy install diff currently and for the upgrade there is this gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml stuff with lots of gthumb in it
[17:17] <seb128__> mvo: but /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults is what broken packages (which don't use dh_gconf) and sys admins will use
[17:17] <mvo> and I was wondering if that is something we need to worry about
[17:17] <mvo> aha!
[17:17] <mvo> gthumb in gutsy?
[17:17] <tedg> Well, no, the problem is apps like Rhythmbox don't really tell you that they're inhibiting the power manager.  And as they all add those features (which they should) people will be surprised by what happens.
[17:17] <seb128__> mvo: dunno, let me get the sources
[17:17] <mvo> and gnome-translate it seems uses /etc/gconf/schemas/ too
[17:17] <mvo> only worry about it if its something important
[17:18] <tedg> Perhaps what we really need is something to pop up in the notification area when we're inhibiting.
[17:18] <mvo> I also have some stuff in /etc/gnome/config after the upgrade but not on a fresh install
[17:18] <mvo> Motif.ad, Tk.ad etc
[17:18] <tedg> Wow, I think I might have actually come up with a *good* use of the notification area ;)
[17:21] <dashua`> tedg: I'm running Hardy on a Dell XPS m1530 and suspend works upon closing lid, but upon resume there is a blank screen which you have to blindly type in your password (nvidia driver)
[17:21] <dashua`> Need me to test anything, let me know?
[17:21] <kwwii> seb128__: the really freaky thing about the preview stuff is that the metacity theme is exactly the same
[17:21] <kwwii> seb128__: same as before, I mean
[17:23] <seb128> re
[17:23] <seb128> so
[17:23] <tedg> dashua`: By blank screen do you mean no graphics or no backlight?  If it's no graphics that either an X or compiz thing, if it's no backlight it might be a GPM thing.
[17:23] <seb128> kwwii: the colors slightly changed in the workspace switcher applet too, the "non active widget" color is white white now when it used to be a bit grey I think, and the orange is rather flashy it was almost brown before
[17:24] <seb128> tedg: so as said I would just not stop suspend by default and let people enable the option if you are concern about the surprise effect
[17:24] <kwwii> seb128: yes, the new theme with choosable colors is hard to make perfectly like it used to be
[17:24] <seb128> mvo: looking to those
[17:25] <dashua`> tedg: Just a white screen.
[17:25] <kwwii> seb128: perhaps we should just use the old version and forget the GUI configurable stuff
[17:25] <seb128> kwwii: you did a quite good job compared to the version I tried some cycles ago
[17:25] <dashua`> I'm running compiz as well.
[17:25] <seb128> kwwii: out of the workspace applet I didn't really notice a difference
[17:25] <seb128> kwwii: oh, no, the preview is likely something easy to fix, and otherwise I think there is no notable difference
[17:26] <seb128> kwwii: I was just mentionning the workspace switcher in case one color was not defined or something
[17:26] <kwwii> seb128: the freaky thing is that when I put the theme in my .themes dir it looks correct
[17:26] <seb128> weird
[17:26] <kwwii> the preveiw I eman
[17:26] <kwwii> s/eman/mean
[17:26] <seb128> what do you copy?
[17:27] <seb128> mvo: what was the packages? gthumb and gtranslator?
[17:27] <tedg> dashua`: My guess would be compiz on that.  I think that they must be putting some sort of overlay on.  I've seen that on my nVidia card also (doesn't seem to be happening now, but I didn't fix it).
[17:28] <tedg> dashua`: That was happening to me, but it hasn't in a while, but I've been running metacity.
[17:28] <kwwii> seb128: hrm, I take that back...it does look different, let me look at this closer and get back to you
[17:28] <seb128> tedg: new gnome-screensaver tarball available btw
[17:28] <dashua`> tedg: Yeah, I figured it either related to compiz or the nvidia driver.
[17:29] <seb128> mvo: the hardy gthumb postinst has a case to fix the bug, maybe the transition version need to be updated for ubuntu though
[17:29] <tedg> seb128: Man, let me read my e-mail first ;)
[17:30] <seb128> tedg: I just read the svn tag on #commits ;-)
[17:30] <tedg> seb128: Could you sponsor the GPM package in my PPA?
[17:30] <seb128> tedg: sure
[17:30] <tedg> seb128: It should be 2.22.1-1ubuntu2
[17:54] <mvo> seb128: that would be the line with --makefile-uninstall-rule ?
[17:54] <seb128> mvo: right
[17:54] <seb128> mvo: the 3 lines rather
[17:54] <mvo> that looks pretty old, 2.6.9
[17:55]  * mvo tests it
[17:57] <seb128> ok, time for diner, see you later
[20:32] <pochu> seb128: hi, could you look at this RFS? The patch is from upstream, and has got confirmation that it solves the crash in the bug report. i didn't test it because I don't use Evo, but it builds and installs fine: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/tracker.debdiff
[20:33] <seb128> pochu: sure, thanks for working on the change
[20:34] <pochu> thanks for looking into it :)
[20:59] <vuntz> can anyone check if http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=513138 still happens in hardy?
[21:01] <seb128> vuntz: looking
[21:01] <seb128> vuntz: no it's fixed
[21:02] <vuntz> seb128: thanks
[21:02] <seb128> you are welcome
[21:13] <pochu> seb128: thanks for the upload
[21:14] <seb128_> pochu: you are welcome


[19:38] <mwhudson> happy new wekk, #launchpad-dev
[19:56] <ajmitch> yay, monday?
[20:12] <thumper> morning
[20:17] <mwhudson> jelmer: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~samba-team/samba/trunk <- you fixed this bug in bzr-git trunk already didn't you?
[20:35] <matgeek> thumper: Matthew here.  It would be good to meet sometime before Xmas.
[20:35] <mwhudson> code team lpnet errors for 2009-12-05 00:00:00
[20:35] <thumper> matgeek: yeah, sure
[20:36] <mwhudson> looks a lot like a checkwatches oops report
[20:36] <thumper> mwhudson: yeah, I emailed matsubara about it :)
[20:36] <thumper> mwhudson: ready for a call?
[20:36] <mwhudson> thumper: one sec
[20:37] <matgeek> thumper: Could I please phone you?
[20:39] <mwhudson> thumper: ready when you are?
[20:59] <jml> good morning Launchpadders
[20:59] <wgrant> jml: You're back on the right side of the world again?
[21:00] <jml> indeed I am
[21:00] <jml> wgrant, in fact, I am southier than you are
[21:01] <wgrant> jml: Aha.
[21:01] <jml> (although not as far south as thumper, who is southest)
[21:01] <ajmitch> not really much to the south of here, really
[21:01] <jml> ajmitch, there's Invercargill
[21:02] <jml> ajmitch, and Gorrrrrrrrrrre
[21:02] <ajmitch> again, not really much to the south of here, really :)
[21:02] <jml> heh heh
[21:02] <jml> do you want to know one of the best things about working in Australia?
[21:03] <jml> less than 20 emails on Monday morning
[21:03] <ajmitch> and friday comes around sooner than for most
[21:04] <maxb> wgrant: I've just updated my first machine to lucid, I expect I'll be joining with you in filling the PPA soonish :-)
[21:04] <wgrant> maxb: It works fine, except for the setuptools issue.
[21:05] <wgrant> maxb: And I need to retry bootstrapping now that I know how to fix that.
[21:06] <thumper> mwhudson: http://christophe.delord.free.fr/tpg/
[21:12] <jml> thumper, good morning.
[21:12] <thumper> jml: morning
[21:14] <maxb> wgrant: What pulls in the need for egenix-mx-base ?
[21:15] <wgrant> maxb: psycopg2
[21:16] <wgrant> maxb: It specifically wants mxdatetime.
[21:17] <mwhudson> how quaint
[21:17] <maxb> lack-of-dependency suckage :-(
[21:19] <maxb> wgrant: I've copied the full content of wgrant/launchpad to launchpad/ppa, and am proceding with a rebuild of pysvn targetted at launchpad/ppa
[21:20] <wgrant> maxb: Thanks.
[21:20] <wgrant> I haven't run the full test suite, but at least 'make run' and Soyuz stuff works.
[21:20] <maxb> or at least, I will be, once I manage to get the builddeps installed for a test build locally
[21:21] <wgrant> Hopefully there will be no crazily obscure issues like there were for Karmic.
[21:22] <jml> mwhudson, hello to you also
[21:22] <mwhudson> jml: hello
[21:24] <mwhudson> oh man, pysvn is made of sad
[21:24] <wgrant> mwhudson: It sucks.
[21:25] <wgrant> Particularly when you have to grep through svn source to work out what the numeric error codes mean... aarrrrrrrgh
[21:26] <mwhudson> jml: how was your trip?
[21:26] <jml> mwhudson, economical.
[21:27] <mwhudson> jml: heh
[21:28] <mwhudson> jml: we should talk at some point i think, but possibly not right now
[21:28] <jml> mwhudson, ok
[21:29] <jml> mwhudson, I'll be unavailable from 12-1 your time
[21:29] <jml> mwhudson, but other than that, should be good.
[21:29] <mwhudson> jml: after that then maybe?
[21:29] <jml> mwhudson, yeah, that'll work.
[21:29] <mwhudson> cool
[21:29] <jml> mwhudson, I'm still resolving lunch plans with a plan-allergic friend
[21:30] <maxb> Oh, *gah*. pysvn is the hard one
[21:30] <jml> mwhudson, but sucks to him for not promises
[21:30] <wgrant> maxb: What's wrong with it?
[21:30] <mwhudson> so, random ubuntu user question: there is a thing (gnome-gpg?) that remembers my gpg passphrase for a while
[21:30] <maxb> it's the one I had to do sourceful changes to
[21:30] <mwhudson> how do i control how long it remembers it for?
[21:30] <wgrant> mwhudson: Probably seahorse.
[21:30] <mwhudson> jml: well, i have no plans for today, so "sometime later" is perfectly fine
[21:32] <jml> mwhudson, cool.
[21:34] <wgrant> mwhudson: System->Preferences->Encryption and Keyrings, PGP Passphrases tab.
[21:35] <mwhudson> wgrant: i don't have "Encryption and Keyrings" :(
[21:36] <wgrant> mwhudson: Tried running seahorse-preferences?
[21:36] <mwhudson> not installed, it seems...
[21:36] <wgrant> mwhudson: Maybe it's not seahorse-agent that you're using, then.
[21:36] <ajmitch> encryption & preferences is most likely installed by default on karmic
[21:37] <mwhudson> mm
[21:37] <ajmitch> or maybe it's a holdover from the jaunty upgrade
[21:37] <mwhudson> i lost something in this area on the upgrade from jaunty
[21:37] <wgrant> mwhudson: Are there any *-agent processes running?
[21:37] <mwhudson> anyway, seahorse-plugins is now installed, we'll see what happens next time i log out i guess...
[21:38] <mwhudson> wgrant: gpg-agent is running
[21:38] <wgrant> mwhudson: Ah.
[21:38] <wgrant> Not sure about how to configure that one.
[21:41] <mwhudson> ah well, need to reboot after a kernel update anyway
[21:41] <mwhudson> brb
[21:56] <jml> organizing documents is hard.
[21:56] <lifeless> amen
[21:56] <lifeless> so we shouldn't do it
[22:01] <jml> I think I spot a flaw in your logic.
[22:07] <wgrant> There were reports of the weekend of some even less desirable users.
[22:08] <wgrant> s/of/over/
[22:08] <wgrant> I believe feedback@ was emailed about them, but I'm not sure.
[22:08] <wgrant> eg https://edge.launchpad.net/~staiaheat
[22:09] <lifeless> jml: logic?
[22:09] <lifeless> muhahaha
[22:22] <thumper> mwhudson: I've created lp.code.errors
[22:23] <mwhudson> thumper: woo
[22:23] <thumper> mwhudson: I've only put in the bmp ones for now
[22:23] <thumper> mwhudson: there is a little fallout
[22:23] <thumper> mwhudson: but not too much
[22:24] <mwhudson> thumper: yeah, doing it gradually makes sesne
[22:25] <jml> thumper, yay
[22:25] <thumper> I'd like to have things alphabetically where it makes sense
[22:25] <thumper> but we have one case of a subclass
[22:25] <thumper> and that makes it look less pretty
[22:25] <thumper> :(
[22:27] <jelmer> mwhudson, hey
[22:27] <jelmer> mwhudson, yeah, that should be fixed in trunk
[22:27] <mwhudson> jelmer: hi
[22:27] <mwhudson> jelmer: do you want to work on getting the fix into launchpad?
[22:28] <mwhudson> it needs to be pqm-submit-ed to ~launchpad-pqm/bzr-git/trunk and then a change to utilities/sourcedeps.conf landed on launchpad
[22:29] <mwhudson> jelmer: how many imports will this affect, do you think we should cherry pick it?
[22:29] <mwhudson> (bearing in mind this is only a two week long cycle)
[22:30] <jelmer> mwhudson: Yeah, it would help for other things as well
[22:31] <jelmer> mwhudson: I wasn't aware that being a launchpad team member implied having to do work :-)
[22:31] <mwhudson> jelmer: it doesn'
[22:31] <mwhudson> t, i can do it too
[22:32] <mwhudson> but i wouldn't mind you suffering a little for bzr-git bugs i guess :-)
[22:32] <jelmer> >-)
[22:32] <jelmer> before when is this due?
[22:34] <thumper> jelmer: last thursday :)
[22:39] <mwhudson> lol
[22:45] <maxb> 16 hour build queue on the PPAs !
[22:45] <maxb> ouch
[22:45] <maxb> guess we're not getting our lucidized pysvn tonight
[22:46] <wgrant> jelmer could have rescored it :(
[22:49] <maxb> jelmer: Do you suppose you could rescore the pending builds in https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad/+archive/ppa/+packages ?
[22:50] <maxb> pysvn/{i386,amd64}
[22:50]  * maxb afk ---> drive to London
[22:50] <thumper> is that an abuse of power?
[22:50] <maxb> well, slightly :-)
[22:51] <jelmer> maxb: Sorry perhaps after I'm more familiar with the system
[22:55] <jelmer> thumper: Ah, hmm
[23:02] <thumper> jml: when you first write the "land" command for our ec2 util script I thought it was stupid
[23:03] <thumper> jml: and now I use it every day
[23:03] <thumper> (almost0
[23:03] <jml> thumper, thank you, I guess :)
[23:04] <thumper> jml: thanks for writing it, it makes things less error prone
[23:04] <thumper> jml: like landing onto devel vs db-devel et al
[23:06]  * jml afk for a bit
[23:17] <mwhudson> what is bug q&a ?
[23:19]  * thumper shrugs
[23:19] <thumper> questions and answers?
[23:25]  * mwhudson lunches
[23:31] <poolie> hello thumper, mwhudson
[23:32] <thumper> hi poolie
[23:36] <spm> maxb: power abused. rescored.
[23:44] <thumper> hmm....
[23:45] <thumper> I wonder what would happen if LP got an email from a team email address
[23:45]  * thumper looks at the code


[00:27] <Abner_> about Notes sincronization  bug. Is there a solution?
[00:28] <theacolyte> At the risk of being labelled a pariah, when will there be a Windows version of One?
[00:38] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: no need to be so insecure :) everybody here would love to have u1 on windows (as long as anybody here uses windows ;) ). [currently I don't have it installed]. I have listened to a podstact with Jono, and Stuart Langridge, and
[00:38] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: Aq said that there's nothing holding anyone back from porting it to windows. I don't think there's a public project currently going on (but I may be unaware of such)
[00:39] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: but I think that the was only one component, that was missing. and if I'm right, it was CouchDB. but (again, not sure) I think I heard that somebody was close or even managed to run it on windows
[00:40] <mkarnicki> please don't take my words for 100%, I'm recalling some blurry memories.
[00:40] <mkarnicki> thus.. the answer is still: who knows ;) ? some switcheroo-ubuntu/windows developer might port it one day :)
[00:41] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: oh xD I can throw in my 2 cents, and tell you I'm just about to start implementing an Android version :3
[00:42] <mkarnicki> duanedesign: you might remember my last question, that I took back. I had a great chat with verterok (he's so helpful!) and I'm happily running a code, that successfully authorizes against u1 servers \o/
[00:59] <theacolyte> An android version would be nice
[00:59] <theacolyte> Sorry I had to run to a meeting
[00:59] <mkarnicki> np :)
[00:59] <mkarnicki> yeah, I hope it will be nice! :D
[01:00] <mkarnicki> checkout http://android-u1.blogspot.com for GUI mockups and some comment-style discussions if you like :)
[01:00] <mkarnicki> /s/checkout/check out
[01:02] <theacolyte> I wish I were a developer, or I'd port it to Windows
[01:04] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: you can always try :) Although I know Java, I knew nothing about Android 1 month ago. Now, I have dug through all the documentation, did some Android example apps, and I'm ready to start some real work :)
[01:04] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: do you know any of c/c++/java :) ?
[01:04] <theacolyte> None at all
[01:05] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: then keep your fingers crossed for some developer to port that to windows :) I also wish U1 to get ported to windows. It will benefit U1 itself.
[01:05] <theacolyte> It really would
[01:05] <theacolyte> I use live mesh right now, which doesn't work with windows
[01:05] <theacolyte> I may just need to switch to dropbox
[01:06] <mkarnicki> I see.
[01:06] <theacolyte> But I'd rather not, they are not the same
[01:06] <mkarnicki> well.. if you often switch to windows, dropbox is somewhat an alternative. but, indeed, as you say - they are not the same.
[01:06] <theacolyte> Right now I'm fighting dual monitors
[01:07] <mkarnicki> :)
[01:07] <mkarnicki> theacolyte: good luck then :) I'll head back to my gsoc project :)
[01:07] <mkarnicki> till next time
[01:07] <theacolyte> yar
[02:32] <rotten777> sigh... still stuck not sync'ing anything :X
[02:32] <rotten777> anyone awake?
[02:37] <rotten777> if anyone catches this, stuck not sync'ing.. stuck at same number of files.. can't remove anything from the list to sync...
[02:44] <duanedesign> rotten777: is u1sdtool -s still stuck on SERVER_RESCAN?
[02:44] <rotten777> yes
[02:45] <duanedesign> rotten777:  do you have anything in ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[02:46] <rotten777> no
[02:46] <rotten777> duanedesign, there are timestamped logs though with that name
[02:46] <rotten777> full
[02:47] <duanedesign> well if you can sort by modification date and find the most recent
[02:47] <duanedesign> post it at http://paste.ubuntu.com
[02:48] <rotten777> http://pastebin.com/vBLZhL8D
[02:48] <josephnexus> I just added my laptop to the ubuntu one service
[02:48] <josephnexus> my desktop is on the same account
[02:48] <josephnexus> will it automatically create the new folder in home that I added to be synced on the desktop?
[02:48] <rotten777> duanedesign, i guess that's not full for the exceptions logs but the others are all 1mb a pop for syncdaemon
[02:48] <josephnexus> (In this case NetBeansProjects)
[02:48] <josephnexus> and sync the other info down?
[02:48] <rotten777> josephnexus, yup. sync from source and it'll recreate the tre
[02:48] <rotten777> tree*
[02:49] <josephnexus> how do i tell it to do that?
[02:49] <rotten777> right click on what you want to sync, "Synchronize on Ubuntu One"
[02:49] <rotten777> the folder
[02:49] <rotten777> right click on the folder
[02:50] <josephnexus> i did that on my desktop
[02:50] <josephnexus> and it is synced now
[02:50] <josephnexus> but now I want to sync that down to the laptop
[02:51] <duanedesign> josephnexus: are both Lucid
[02:51] <duanedesign> josephnexus: I remember of Karmic you had to wait till the next sync to get the files on Computer B
[02:52] <duanedesign> josephnexus: so you might run: u1sdtool -d; u1sdtool -c
[02:52] <josephnexus> i'm on lucid
[02:53] <josephnexus> on both
[02:53] <rotten777> josephnexus, run 'u1sdtool -s'
[02:55] <josephnexus> is there a graphical way to do it?
[02:55] <duanedesign> josephnexus: disconnect and connect
[02:56] <duanedesign> or drop a file in U1 folder
[02:56] <duanedesign> kermiac: ping
[02:56] <josephnexus> ok
[02:56] <josephnexus> i just did that from the ubuntuone preferences window
[02:56] <josephnexus> the reason i'm asking for the ui way to do it is because our ceo is setting up ubuntu one soon
[02:56] <josephnexus> and I want to be able to help him out if need be
[02:56] <duanedesign> rotten777: i am looking at some notes and bug reports to see if i can help with your issuw
[02:56] <josephnexus> and a terminal would scare him
[02:56] <duanedesign> issue*
[02:57] <rotten777> duanedesign, ty
[02:57] <duanedesign> josephnexus: gotcha
[02:57] <duanedesign> josephnexus: in Lucid you should not have to do that.
[02:57] <josephnexus> in the "devices" tab, i only see my local machine as being connected to the cloud, I don't see the desktop
[02:57] <josephnexus> will that change soon?
[02:58] <duanedesign> josephnexus: under devices it says <Local machine>
[02:58] <josephnexus> yes
[02:58] <josephnexus> but shouldn't I see my desktop there since it is attached to the cloud too?
[02:58] <duanedesign> josephnexus: yes
[02:59] <duanedesign> it should be the same name you see in one.ubuntu.com/account/machines
[03:01] <sgaz> I understand the Contacts and Notes DB is down currently but I have not been able to Synch Contacts at all - nothing.  Anybody else have this problem?
[03:02] <kermiac> hey duanedesign :)
[03:02] <sgaz> Since the beginning of May I guess I could add.
[03:04] <duanedesign> I thought contact sync was back up
[03:04] <duanedesign> rotten777: could you pastebin your  ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log    please
[03:04] <rotten777> any of them or the non-timestamped one?
[03:05] <duanedesign> the syncdaemon.log will be the newest
[03:05] <rotten777> http://pastebin.com/x35hVmZq
[03:05] <sgaz> I moved contacts to Ubuntuone addressbook in Evolution but online it says "0 Contacts" .
[03:06] <duanedesign> kermiac: i have been so busy. Havent done enough bugs lately. Did you ever get an answer about the Karmic bugs being closed.
[03:07] <duanedesign> sgaz: could you please run the following 'do not use sudo'  killall beam.smp; killall beam
[03:08] <duanedesign> sgaz: rm ~/.config/desktop-couch/desktop-couchdb.ini
[03:08] <duanedesign> sgaz: dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort  -
[03:08] <duanedesign> no -          ^^
[03:08] <kermiac> no, I haven't managed to be online at the same time as rye or [j]oshuahoover lately
[03:08] <duanedesign> sgaz: dbus-send --session --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB --print-reply --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
[03:09] <duanedesign> kermiac: okie dokie. just checking. Dont want to miss anything :)
[03:10] <sgaz> That's alot :) gimme a sec lol
[03:10] <duanedesign> sgaz: any questions let me know. That last command I did twice because the first one had a - on the end
[03:12] <sgaz> duanedesign: output from first command = beam: no process found
[03:12] <kermiac> duanedesign: ok mate, no probs :) I've had a quick look & the main ones I'm unsure about are related to the applet in karmic. I'll let you know when I find out :)
[03:13] <duanedesign> sgaz: thats ok on that one
[03:13] <duanedesign> rotten777: it looks like its working its way through a lot of info. But from what i see it is making progress
[03:14] <josephnexus> yay!
[03:14] <josephnexus> it syncs
[03:14] <rotten777> duanedesign: this has been going on for weeks... how do I remove all the stuff that its trying to sync? I'm just going to make an archive of the directory and sync 1 file
[03:17] <duanedesign> rotten777: if you put 1000,s of files it could take a couple days. Yrouble is their is not good communication about what is going on. So user thinks nothing is happening and starts moving and deleting stuff. Which adds nore time on. And it keeps going
[03:18] <sgaz> duanedesign:  Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply.  on last command
[03:18] <rotten777> duanedesign: I've yet to turn off my pc for weeks... how could it possibly take this long?
[03:20] <duanedesign> rotten777: what do you get from:  find ~/Ubuntu\ One | wc -l
[03:20] <duanedesign> sgaz: ok..
[03:20] <rotten777> 2
[03:21] <duanedesign> rotten777: yeah it looks like it is in the  process of deleting stuff
[03:21] <rotten777> what
[03:21] <rotten777> what is it deleting?
[03:21] <duanedesign> /home/matthew/.config/gpodder/database.sqlite-journal'' | Called delete_on_server
[03:24] <rotten777> ok how do I just remove that entire folder from the u1 service? because i've heard that before and it's evidently causing issues
[03:26] <duanedesign> sgaz: could you run evolution --force-shutdown
[03:26] <duanedesign> sgaz: then run the command:   /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-data-server-2.28
[03:27] <duanedesign> sgaz: open Evolution and open your Ubuntu ONe Contacts
[03:27] <duanedesign> sgaz: hopefully something gets printed to the Terminal where you ran the last command
[03:28] <sgaz> Yes, quite a bit.  final line is "server up and running"
[03:28] <duanedesign> rotten777: what does this returm:  u1sdtool --list-folders
[03:28] <rotten777> http://pastebin.com/jbUYijD5
[03:30] <sgaz> duanedesign: Yes, quite a bit.  final line is "server up and running"  (just in case my last message was not obvious)
[03:35] <duanedesign> sgaz: looks like contanct sync might still be down. I just tried it on my end and didnt get a sync. Supposed to be up this week though
[03:36] <duanedesign> rotten777: wow thats a lot of UDF's
[03:36] <duanedesign> :)
[03:37] <duanedesign> you can run:  u1sdtool --delete-folder=FOLDER_ID
[03:37] <rotten777> duanedesign, photography is fun ;)
[03:37] <duanedesign> rotten777: for sure
[03:38] <duanedesign> FOLDER_ID is that number you got for each entry
[03:38] <rotten777> yeah i see that.. now that just removes the sync meta not the actual folders correcT?
[03:38] <duanedesign> example  u1sdtool --delete-folder=4406526d-7626-439d-81a6-5e115c5f01e1
[03:39] <duanedesign> rotten777: does not effect what is on your Hard drive
[03:39] <duanedesign> correct
[03:39] <duanedesign> rotten777: you should be able to also r-click on the folder and select 'do not syc' or something like that
[03:40] <rotten777> duanedesign: the right click thing doesn't work...
[03:40] <rotten777> duanedesign: that would be nice though.. i may write a nautilus script
[03:41] <rotten777> wow actually it works now
[03:41] <rotten777> yay!
[03:42] <rotten777> duanedesign, wow terminal is taking a long time to complete the folder delete...is that normal?
[03:44] <sgaz> duanedesign:  Thanks for your help.  Just to be clear, I'm good to go on the Evolution restart and Hopefully synching when "Contacts Synch" is available again? No more commands to get back to "Normal" ?
[03:51] <duanedesign> sgaz: yes you can quit evolution and next time t=you start you will be good to go
[03:52] <sgaz> duanedesign:  Thanks again.  Much appreciated.
[03:53] <duanedesign> rotten777: yes.
[03:57] <duanedesign> rotten777: it usually gets added to the queue pretty fast
[03:57] <duanedesign> rotten777: for some reason the commmand 'sticks'
[03:58] <duanedesign> I run command, wait about 5 seconds and ctrl + c
[03:58] <duanedesign> you can run the command  u1sdtool --waiting-metadata
[03:58] <duanedesign> duanedesign@duanedesign-laptop:~$ u1sdtool --waiting-metadata
[03:58] <duanedesign>  DeleteVolume
[03:59] <duanedesign> ^^^^and you will see the deleteVolume in the metadata
[06:16] <Cadeon> Blarg. I'm sure the answer is "No" but does the contact sync system use CardDav?
[06:55] <JamezQ> Hey, can anyone help me with an ubuntu one problem?
[06:55] <JamezQ> It says sync complete, when it is not
[06:58] <JamezQ> honk
[08:21] <JamezQ> [22:55] <JamezQ> Hey, can anyone help me with an ubuntu one problem? [22:55] <JamezQ> It says sync complete, when it is not [22:58] <JamezQ> honk
[09:54] <diverse_izzue> honk. i'm seeing extremely slow sync performance again. known issue?
[10:08] <sailormoon> I don't get any file sync. After several hours 2 empty folders appeared. what happened? U1 was working properly during the week.
[10:13] <sailormoon> Is anybody @canonical working on the issues during the next 3 days? It's Whitsun weekend. :(
[10:16] <diverse_izzue> sailormoon, same here, works very poorly to not at all
[13:36] <rotten777> duanedesign, http://pastebin.com/WsUni8jW
[15:00] <Guest98648> how do i get a nickname?
[15:02] <derconny> Hi! Is there any information when note sync is expected to work again?
[15:03] <derconny> I need the service to work, because I'm coding against it. So if it will take longer, I make different plans for today :)
[16:19] <Emry> What command do I issue to get UbuntuOne to do a complete rescan/download of files?  I just got a message on this system saying that syncronization was complete.. And it still has an empty UbuntuOne directory (95mb on the server).
[17:48] <Luke> is anyone else able to connect to one?
[17:48] <spablue> for file sync only
[17:49] <spablue> not managed to get contacts or bookmarks working (ever)
[17:49] <Luke> =/
[17:49] <Luke> i can't even get the "register" button for my computer
[17:50] <spablue> hmm - notice on the website that parts are down
[17:50] <Luke> yeah is saw that too
[17:50] <Luke> didn't mention computer registration though
[17:50] <spablue> true
[17:51] <spablue> i'm going to try later - but this service seem flakey
[17:52] <Luke> yeah still seems pretty beta
[17:52] <spablue> :-)
[17:52] <puppe> When can I sync my contacts with Evolution again?
[17:53] <Luke> hopefully thunderbird syncing is available soon
[17:53] <Luke> evolution is junk
[17:53] <spablue> was wondering the same but first tried a couple of days ago but never got it working
[17:54] <qwertz> Luke: you can use the 30 day trial to sync with thunderbird
[17:54] <spablue> does that work across platforms (win / lin)
[17:54] <puppe> Oki. It says on the dashboard that notes, contacts etc are not "working" "at the moment"...however that "moment" has been going on for some week(s) now so starting to wonder???
[17:55] <spablue> so you have had it working then
[17:55] <Luke> qwertz: 30 day trial? isn' thtis free?
[17:55] <puppe> yup. some month ago
[17:56] <spablue> ah ... i thought i was doing something wrong ....
[17:56] <puppe> Luke: I think you have to pay for it since it ties into the syncing of mobile contacts, which is managed by people outside of UbuntuOne
[17:56] <puppe> ...forgot the name of the company.
[17:57] <Luke> do you have to pay for all contact syncing?
[17:57] <Luke> or is evolution free but thunderbird is not?
[17:57] <spablue> hmmm - i thought it was free except the mobile bit ..
[17:57] <spablue> its not that clear
[17:58] <puppe> Luke: Evolution has syncing for free.
[17:58] <spablue> k
[17:58] <Luke> why is thunderbird considered mobile?
[17:58] <puppe> Thunderbird could sync for free too (I'm sure) but since there is no app for it yet it has to use the mobile syncing stuff.
[17:59] <puppe> hmmm, I think someone with better knowledge than me should fill in the blanks
[17:59] <Luke> puppe: haha ok thanks
[18:00] <puppe> Well, thunderbird isn't more mobile than evo. but there is simply no support for thunderbird yet. Again, someone with more knowledge should verify this.
[18:00] <puppe> :)
[20:00] <otto_> I've bought two albums from U1 music store. Everything else worked fine except one song, which does not transfer from store to cloud. Can anybody here help me?
[20:01] <otto_> The situation has been like this for ten days, so the problem is presisting. Something needs to be done..
[20:01] <otto_> Check out second last paragraph of comment https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/571548/comments/8
[20:03] <mkarnicki> otto_: if you don't get an answer today, make sure you drop in between monday-friday, a bit earlier. then you can catch more people.
[22:24] <trickster_> hi
[22:54] <rich> hello
[22:57] <mkarnicki> hi
[22:59] <mkarnicki> any U1 staff here? I wonder how is the scaling-up going. the system is very slow. even running a 'create a folder, create a file' code runs slow and finishes with a timeout.
[23:00] <rich> having trouble syncing my phone to my account, anyone help?
[23:00] <kklimonda> mkarnicki: assume it's a normal behaviour and handle it gracefully in your app ;)
[23:00] <mkarnicki> brb
[23:04] <mkarnicki> kklimonda: indeed I will, I will have no choice. but I'm not hiding the fact I'm a bit afraid. login+root listing takes.. about 2-3 minutes
[23:05] <mkarnicki> naturally I'll do some caching, but I'm just a bit worried. even for testing purposes. I won't be able to give it a good tryout if it'll last so long.
[23:05] <mkarnicki> all in all, I'll update you when I'll be browsing the folder hierarchy already.
[23:06] <beuno> mkarnicki, there's a lot of work going on
[23:07] <beuno> a lot of the problems have been solved
[23:07] <mkarnicki> beuno: good to know :)
[23:07] <beuno> but there's still some issues to fix, and maybe a few more servers to bring up before we can auto-scale
[23:07] <mkarnicki> I see
[23:07] <beuno> I'd say that's the primary focus at the moment
[23:08] <beuno> we're very worried about how long it's taking us to get things stable
[23:09] <beuno> but stable in an ever-moving environment, turns out, is trucky  :)
[23:09] <beuno> we've mostly figured out all the issues, solved some of them, and working on the remaining ones
[23:09] <beuno> both the server and the client are being worked on
[23:11] <mkarnicki> yes, I presume it's hard to scale an on-line system
[23:11] <mkarnicki> I'll look into the u1-java-storageprotocol more during the next days, but
[23:11] <mkarnicki> just so you know: from scratch, login 35 sec, get root (1:30 total), response 2:40 (total), root nodes listed (3:45 total)
[23:12] <mkarnicki> so as of today, that would be scary for a mobile app ;)
[23:12] <mkarnicki> I'm having my fingers crossed for the project (ubuntu one, that is)
[23:12] <mkarnicki> I wish you the system scales-up nicely, so that the latency will be little :)
[23:13] <mkarnicki> beuno: thanks for the news
[23:22] <mkarnicki> beuno: you know some u1 internals?
[23:23] <mkarnicki> beuno: each file has a node identifier and a hash identifier, right?
[23:23] <mkarnicki> file/dir
[23:28] <mkarnicki> I'm trying to understand how to traverse the folder hierarchy
[23:28] <mkarnicki> I've also got a great Example code from verterok
[23:29] <mkarnicki> guess I'll have to catch verterok/aquarius
[23:31] <mkarnicki> and I think I got it now, anyway :)
[23:41] <beuno> mkarnicki, sorry
[23:41] <beuno> I'm on a boat
[23:41] <beuno> internetis flaky at best
[23:41] <beuno> u1-internals you should talk to verterok
[23:42] <beuno> or facundobatista
[23:42] <mkarnicki> thanks :) (on a boat :D you're on holiday?)


[10:27] <Deffie> hi all, i'm trying to make a custom build of the ubuntu kernel, but  the system hangs after talking of usb controllers and after "freeing kernel memory" if i dont use the initrd, i cannnot find whats missing...
[01:49] <zul> hola
[03:07] <Deffie> hi all, i'm trying to make a custom build of the ubuntu kernel, but  the system hangs after talking of usb controllers and after "freeing kernel memory" if i dont use the initrd, i cannnot find whats missing...
[04:23] <Deffie_> inotify.
[04:24] <Deffie_> ubuntu doesnt boot without inotify support in the kernel
[04:24] <Deffie_> thank you for spreading infos ubuntoers
[04:35] <maks_> Deffie_: you are discouraged to roll your own unless expert
[04:35] <maks_> why don't you use the linux images?
[04:43] <Deffie_> inotify is reliable'
[04:44] <Deffie_> since .13
[04:44] <Deffie_> doesnt sound as mandatory thing
[04:50] <Deffie_> and just hanging doesnt seem representative of unix philosophy
[04:50] <Deffie_> tell me "theres no inotify, i cant work"
[04:51] <Deffie_> anyway
[04:51] <Deffie_> problem solved
[04:51] <Deffie_> the life continues
[04:51] <Mithrandir> *shrug*; you compile your own kernel => you're unsupported anyway.
[04:51] <zdzichuBG> like on OpenBSD
[04:51] <Deffie_> Mithrandir i'm not necessarily looking for support
[04:51] <zul> and this channel is not for support anyways
[04:52] <Deffie_> i'm talking of a kernel feature and ubuntu
[04:52] <Deffie_> sorry if i'm off topic
[04:54] <asdaa> hi! could someone please enlighten me, as of how an inneficient spinlock implementation could lead to cache trasing in a SMP system? thanks!
[04:55] <maks_> Deffie_ there are lots of traps in .config that a modern distro relies on
[04:56] <maks_> even on Debian i'll kick the report if not reproducible on standard linux-image
[04:57] <Deffie_> maks_: thats ok.
[05:11] <maks_> same story :P
[05:15] <jdong_> are there any active kernel devs online? I'd like to discuss SRU options for the TI Flashmedia bug....
[05:15] <jdong_> A commit between -12 and -13 reverted TIFM to a broken version....
[05:28] <BenC> jdong_: updated bug
[05:30] <jdong_> BenC: excellent, glad to hear that, I appreciate the response :)
[05:50] <BenC> jdong_: no problem, thanks for following up
[07:10] <zul> BenC: I should have the xen stuff done this weekend with the new fancy pants build system for gutsy
[07:11] <BenC> nice
[07:11] <zul> openvz for 2.6.21 is a bit of another thing
[07:14] <zul> along liam coming home this weekend
[07:15] <zul> BenC: how do we synchronize the config.386 in the custom binary.d directory?
[07:16] <dade`> exit
[07:16] <dade`> whoOps
[07:22] <BenC> zul: I need to add it to the updateconfigs taget
[07:28] <zul> ok
[07:28] <dade`> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dade/472608054/ hehe
[07:33] <zdzichuBG> slightly more than my thinkpad
[08:38] <zul> BenC: how do you build just the binary-custom.d flavours again?
[08:41] <zul> er..nevermind
[09:14] <el_ericho> Hi everybody.
[09:14] <el_ericho> I'm working with an interface between a microcontroller and a SD card. I want to see the code of the support of mmc/sd cards in the kernel. But after of install linux-headers i only can find the headers on include/linux/mmc. How can i get the *.c files.
[09:14] <el_ericho> Sorry for my poor english
[09:16] <zdzichuBG> el_ericho: linux-source
[09:16] <zdzichuBG> el_ericho: but if you are the victim of tifm bug, fix is identified and in progress
[09:20] <el_ericho> Ok. Thank you
[09:21] <pkl_> el_ericho: this fix will be in the first Feisty SRU.
[09:44] <johanbr> Couldn't the tifm bug be worked around by using the sdhci driver, anyway? It's not clear to me which advantages the tifm driver offers.
[09:46] <zdzichuBG> johanbr: tifm supports (or will support) more standards than only SD
[09:47] <johanbr> zdzichuBG: Okay. When I last looked at it, it only supported sd and mmc, which are also supported by sdhci. Is that list larger now?
[09:48] <zdzichuBG> XD is goind to be supported, too. probably others
[09:49] <johanbr> zdzichuBG: Do you know if the specs for smartmedia are available? I guess it's not used much anymore, but still... I guess we can forget about memorystick.
[09:50] <zdzichuBG> no, I'm not specialist in memory cards
[09:50] <johanbr> Okay. :)
[11:12] <rrittenhouse> How would I go about to report a bug about kernel 2.6.20-15 on my ubuntu system?
[11:15] <mjg59_> rrittenhouse: bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:16] <rrittenhouse> I mean what package would I submit it to...
[11:17] <rrittenhouse> idk nm let me check it out
[11:20] <rrittenhouse> mjg59_, yeah how do I know what package to report it under?
[11:21] <bdmurray> rrittenhouse: it is dependent on the kernel version it sounds like you need linux-source-2.6.20
[11:21] <rrittenhouse> ah ok wasnt sure if it was linux source or kernel image
[11:21] <rrittenhouse> thanks ;)


[20:25] <tomv> hi all, i'm seeing intermittent connectivity issues from AWS us-west-2 across multiple VPC's to ppa.launchpad.net. I was wondering if anyone else has reported similar recently?
[20:39] <sarnold> I've seen some reports a few hours ago about slow connections to the snap store, but it's not like there's lots of complaints -- maybe if you can grab some mtr output at the time of trouble it might help narrow down a problem?
[21:02] <tomv> ah, thanks @sarnold! yeah looks like a decent amount of packet loss: https://i.imgur.com/iRxQhwv.png
[21:02] <sarnold> owwwww
[21:10] <sarnold> tomv: so, I've passed it around and I understand he deprioritizes icmp, and it was suggested to re-run with -T -P 443
[21:20] <tomv> thanks sarnold, hoping this is a bit more useful! https://gist.github.com/thomasv314/ff724f7e3663d26f169db1ed23285c9c
[22:28] <sarnold> tomv: thanks :)
[22:32] <tomv> np! aws support replied mentioning it was outside there network, but they were also able to reproduce.


[14:54] <Absurd-suggestio> Hi guys.
[14:55] <Absurd-sugestion> Are we ready to go !?!
[14:56] <Absurd-sugestion> kgunn, Hi kevin. :)
[14:56] <kgunn> hi
[14:57] <Absurd-sugestion> Any good subreddits out there ?
[14:58]  * Absurd-sugestion takes his coat off. 'cos it's hot.
[14:59] <Absurd-sugestion> QUESTION: Why is there nothing on the calendar (like at all !) http://is.gd/OWD4uc
[15:03] <dpm> hi Absurd-sugestion, we've decided to postpone it to next week, in which we'll be live from Austin all physically in the same place :)
[15:04] <Absurd-sugestion> dpm, Why is there nothing about this said about before the event ? - At least put 'postponed' on the calendar !
[15:05] <Absurd-sugestion> It seems Canonical do the absolute minimum to keep the community informed.
[15:05] <dpm> Absurd-sugestion, sorry, we'll make sure we update the calendar next time
[15:05] <Absurd-sugestion> ok, thank-you.
[15:05] <Absurd-sugestion> I'm sure it shall happen again !
[15:06] <Absurd-sugestion> I have to travel 15 miles to get to the computer for these, by the way !
[15:07] <dpm> Absurd-sugestion, I'm sorry to hear that, and I apologise. Yet I respectfully disagree that an oversight in updating the calendar represents Canonical not informing the community
[15:08] <dragon77> hi
[15:08] <dpm> We ran 3 live Q&As last week and 45 hours of sessions as part of UOS
[15:09] <dragon77> ok
[15:11] <dragon77> So, no Q&A today? Sorry if I am a bother :(
[15:12] <dragon77> p.s. unfortunately I missed UOS.
[15:12] <dpm> hi dragon77, no worries, my fault for not updating the calendar: we're postponing this week's Q&A and we'll run it next week when we'll all be physically at the same place
[15:13] <dragon77> No problem. Yeah, I was wondering what was up with the calendar.
[15:13] <dragon77> Bye and have fun!


[04:02] <arooni> hey folks; set up a kernel crashdump on ubuntu 16.04 to figure out why i'm not able to resume from suspend on my t420;  how do i access it?  or have it tell me something useful?
[16:49] <Guest15565> hi, i just got a new server  ML10v2 with 2 OS drives and 4 raid 10 storage drives i want to ensure encryption of all data on all drives I have googled and am having trouble any help?
[19:29] <rizonz> 4~has there been changed something on 14.04 for rootlogin ? I cannot SSH to the box with PermitRootLogin yes in the ssh config
[21:43] <mundus2018> Does anyone know what software I should look into if I want to make a server a proxy for another
[21:45] <bekks> mundus2018: apt-cache search proxy
[22:39] <jaguardown> Hi all
[22:42] <jaguardown> When attempting to reboot a server remotely via ssh I get this http://pastebin.com/UN5Zn3Th
[22:42] <jaguardown> Regardless of 'shutdown -r now' or 'reboot'
[22:46] <jaguardown> Also I just found out I can't restart services either.


[05:22] <goobagoob> question: My edubuntu installation has been running for quite a while, and is sitting on the last frame of the installation slide show promising me that it will be done soon. Is it normal for edubuntu to sit on that screen with no apparent activity for a long time?
[05:23] <goobagoob> I am trying to install it on a new computer for my kid for xmas
[05:23] <HedgeMage> What's "a long time" ?
[05:24] <goobagoob> 15 minutes, at least
[05:25] <goobagoob> the progress bar is about 3/4 of the way across
[05:30] <goobagoob> I guess I'll download and install ubuntu and then install the edubuntu packages via apt
[05:31] <HedgeMage> Yeah, That sounds a little odd, but I don't use the edubuntu installer, so I can't give specific advice.
[05:32] <goobagoob> ah well, I was hoping to avoid doing via apt
[05:32] <goobagoob> best laid plans of mice...
[15:26] <dgroos_> Good Morning Edubuntistas
[15:36] <dgroos_> Hi?
[15:40] <alkisg> Hi dgroos_ :)
[15:40] <alkisg> Not a very active channel today :)
[15:45] <dgroos_> Hi alkisg!  Thought I'd throw a bit of chatter out there :)
[15:45] <dgroos_> How's the son?  Just one?
[15:47] <alkisg> 2 girls and 1 son, all fine
[15:47] <alkisg> U? all ok?
[15:49] <dgroos_> Pretty good, just cleaning up my desk at home :)  Fiesta tonight so gotta clean things up.  Age range on the next generation?
[15:49] <alkisg> 10/8/4
[22:44] <dgroos_> Have a great evening/night all! :)


[14:27] <AnAnt> LP #625790
[14:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 625790 in openjdk-6 (Ubuntu) "OpenJDK needs to add gain control support (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/625790
[20:46] <mr_luc> sun-java6-jre is showing me a license screen from sun in the shell, and ... I can't accept, can't confirm, can't seem to do anything.
[20:47] <mr_luc> It has an <Ok> button, I try typing enter, O, Y for yes, etc etc etc ...
[20:51] <nthykier> mr_luc: http://www.davidpashley.com/blog/debian/java-license
[20:51] <nthykier> try that as an alternative
[20:52] <nthykier> that should do as a work around; though you should file a bug against sun-java6-jre so the maintainers will have a look at it
[21:00] <mr_luc> that does work! filing bug anyway ... I don't know why I can't accept via the normal way. I'm on a virtualbox install of ubuntu ... maybe there's a bug in input handling w/virtualbox? doesn't seem likely.
[21:10] <nthykier> well, so far you are the first I have heard of who had a problem accepting the licensing in interactive setting
[21:10] <nthykier> s
[21:11] <nthykier> It would be sure to mention the part with the virtual box just in case


[06:18] <murmel> cbreak: well makes sense that it can't see those files as they are sandboxed off. so no idea what 22.04 does in comparison to 22.10. never looked too much into snaps (for now)
[07:50] <cbreak> murmel: if sandboxing prevents firefox from being able to display text, then it's dumb :)
[07:52] <murmel> cbreak: it's not, it's just the reason why firefox can't find noto
[07:52] <murmel> just needs some more tweaking on 22.10 seems like
[09:15] <murmel> is the new installer already default? or is it still the old one?
[09:15] <murmel> as I would like to use the newer one
[11:40] <nteodosio> ogra, indeed I did have the kernel updated yesterday
[11:40] <ogra> well, try going back
[11:40] <ogra> i have seen some discussions about autopkgtests failing due to snap issues with the recent kinetic kernel ... might have some impact on enduser snap functionality too
[11:41] <nteodosio> Thanks, I'll reboot and see what gives
[11:46] <nteodosio> ogra, you hit the nail on the head!! Thanks!
[11:46] <ogra> well, let the kernel team know 😉
[11:46] <ogra> is the font issue fixed too ?
[11:47] <ogra> else i fear someone needs to look into the gnome extension and if there are any fontconfig incompatibilities once again
[11:47] <ogra> (wouldnt be the first time)
[11:48] <nteodosio> Font is fixed too, no longer anti-aliased! :D
[11:48] <ogra> hah
[11:49] <ogra> IIRC the kernel isse was related to mounts or bind mounts ... so the extension might simply not provide all pieces to the consumer when that breaks ...
[11:53] <nteodosio> Weird that no one noticed it
[11:53] <ogra> well, people rarely run kernels from proposed
[11:53] <nteodosio> Perhaps most people use mattermost in the browser
[11:54] <nteodosio> But that is not from proposed, apt policy says it's from kinetic/main
[11:54] <ogra> i guess the kernel needs to grow some additional tests for the future 🙂
[11:55] <nteodosio> Yeah, I reported it already to the kernel team
[11:55] <ogra> right, it moved this week ... and then people noticed 🙂
[11:55] <nteodosio> Makes sense :)