[12:00] <bruce_> damn doesn't work...
[12:00] <bruce_> easy... i go out...
[12:00] <bruce_> cu
[12:02] <unperson> Anyone out there able to get video playback working with an Intel i8xx video chipset?
[12:02] <Oscarian> howdy all!
[12:02] <Oscarian> i have a question.
[12:02] <natx> hello all
[12:02] <Oscarian> i'm trying to get a game installed, but it needs java (JRE).  apt-get install java doesn't do anything.  any clues?
[12:03] <natx> have you tried synaptic, oscarian?
[12:03] <_slice_> Oscarian: see the FAQ item about install the JRE
[12:03] <Oscarian> faq, ah. cool.
[12:03] <Oscarian> =]
[12:07] <geppy> How can I change the default sound server to JACK?
[12:08] <elmaya> mm i need some help with ndiswrapper
[12:08] <elmaya> i got this when doing modprobe
[12:08] <elmaya> root@hoary:/home/elmaya # modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:08] <elmaya> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-2-386/kernel/drivers/net /ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:11] <elmaya> piece of shit
[12:11] <unperson> Ug, for maybe a year I had the problem that any time I'd try to playback video (e.g. and mpeg) it had a big blue bar over part of it.  Finally, while I was running debian sarge, this got fixed (not sure how, but I think just an update to X).  I installed Ubuntu a few months ago and really love it, except it looks like this video problem is back.  Ug.
[12:12] <daaku> i know this might be a little extreme, but i just installed hoary onto a spare partition using debootstrap, would installing ubuntu-desktop be pretty much the same as installing ubuntu using a cd? or should i customize what i install?
[12:12] <Ells> hi, how is everyone
[12:14] <mroth> hmm, has anyone installed Mozilla Sunbird in ubuntu?
[12:16] <Ells> what is sunbird
[12:16] <_slice_> you'd have to do it from source i think
[12:16] <_slice_> it's mozilla's pim
[12:16] <_slice_> unless some kind soul has made a .deb for you
[12:18] <pvh> I can suspend to disk with 'echo "disk" -n > /sys/power/state', but when I reboot, it just ignores it and boots normally. What do I need to change to make this work?
[12:20] <evarlast> pvh: ask in #swsup :)
[12:20] <pvh> evarlast: Thanks/
[12:20] <evarlast> pvh:  err... #swsusp
[12:23] <geppy> How can I change the default sound server to JACK?
[12:25] <EfaistOs> is there some backport url like apt-get.org ?
[12:26] <jmhodges> hey, for some reason, i can't modprove the nv driver in my fresh hoary install
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> modprobe nvidia?
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> or are you actually trying to modprobe nv
[12:26] <jmhodges> thats only for the binary version
[12:26] <jmhodges> modprobe nv
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> well
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> there's no such thing as nv.ko
[12:26] <jmhodges> im trying to see if the nv driver supports randr
[12:26] <bluefoxicy> so don't worry about it.
[12:26] <jmhodges> ah, ok..
[12:27] <jmhodges> i could have sworn.. hunh..
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> unfortunately, xorg's nv also doesn't do rendering :/
[12:27] <njan> <3 nvidia
[12:27] <njan> 0:)
[12:27] <jmhodges> :(
[12:27] <jmhodges> i used to <3 nvidia
[12:27] <njan> bluefoxicy, good luck!
[12:27] <jmhodges> but now i have this tablet that is a "convertible"
[12:27] <jmhodges> bluefoxicy: god i hope you do
[12:28] <njan> nvidia breaks all kinds of things all the time
[12:28] <njan> It's even worse in gentoo than ubuntu
[12:28] <jmhodges> :-/
[12:28] <bluefoxicy> njan:  yeah, there's about 10-15 other people who are trying to get them to rewrite it so it works with PaX (if it works on a PaX/GrSecurity kernel, it works on Exec Shield, and on vanilla)
[12:28] <njan> bluefoxicy, that would be really nice
[12:28] <bluefoxicy> they said they'll release a dlloader module in the future
[12:29] <njan> bluefoxicy, it was a real pita using nv on this machine when I was PaX/GrSec'd up.
[12:29] <njan> bluefoxicy, getting xorg to work with a PaX'd userspace is hard enough without nvidia being a nuisance :)
[12:29] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:29] <biezt> is there a channel for vsftpd somewhere ?
[12:29] <bluefoxicy> I'm more worried that they're actually hindering progress.
[12:30] <njan> bluefoxicy, tbh, I think the extent of nvidia's interest in their driver is likely to be making sure it works for desktop users/gamers
[12:30] <njan> bluefoxicy, there's absolutely no return on investment for them to unbreak the driver so it works with anything else.
[12:30] <njan> bluefoxicy, it's basically just wasted development time because the demand is so, so small.
[12:30] <bluefoxicy> njan: I could see every distribution in the world actually holding back on deploying any kind of security enhancement, even one that actually clamped down 100% of incidents (PaX and Gr can probably do 60-80%), just because nvidia breaks :P
[12:30] <njan> But I may be wrong :)
[12:31] <njan> bluefoxicy, yup.
[12:31] <njan> bluefoxicy, I have no hope whatsoever that distributions will start prepackaging anything more than a kernel which basically has the openwall patches applied any time soon
[12:31] <Amaranth> njan: Chicken and egg problem. If nVidia doesn't support PaX/Gr then no distro will have it enabled but if no distro has it enabled it's a waste of effort.
[12:31] <njan> bluefoxicy, the breakage for userspace applications, particularly anything graphical, is just too much.
[12:31] <bluefoxicy> njan:  I've seen games (ut2k3) that were actually vulnerable to attacks that brought remote attackers to a local account
[12:31] <website> i've a problem in hoary: when i connect a usb disk it is detected and mounted (a nautilus session is opened) but there is no icon on my desktop and also in my "Places" men there is not any usb disk, to show it i must click on cdrom device and in the desktop the usb disk icon appears (also in the PLaces menu). In warty there was not this problem
[12:31] <njan> bluefoxicy, yup.
[12:32] <bluefoxicy> njan:  imagine a gamer's surprise on linux when his game is hijacked for a virus :)
[12:32] <njan> bluefoxicy, but that's three hops away; ut is binary, nvidia is binary; you'd have a *lot* of fixing to do for that to work
[12:32] <bluefoxicy> njan:  http://woct-blog.blogspot.com/2005/02/non-root-viruses-for-linux.html  <-- For a virus, not for root to spread a virus >:)
[12:32] <njan> bluefoxicy, unsurprising - there are some fairly horrible bugs in armegatron, and that's opne source :)
[12:32] <njan> s/bad spelling/good spelling/
[12:32] <bluefoxicy> njan:  yeah but does UT itself set off PaX?
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> nv glx sets off pax
[12:33] <njan> bluefoxicy, not sure, haven't tried. I wouldn't imagine it would work with pax. you'd have to chpax the binary
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> yeah
[12:33] <njan> which defeats the purpose of PaX existing ;)
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> uh huh
[12:33] <bluefoxicy> njan:  unless glx was fixed.  I doubt UT itself would actually have a reason to do RCE
[12:34] <bluefoxicy> nested functions don't count; PaX can emulate trampolines
[12:35] <njan> yeah, you may be right
[12:35] <njan> It's still a long way off, really, either way :(
[12:35] <bluefoxicy> heh
[12:35] <bluefoxicy> IMHO it's an egg and bigger egg problem
[12:35] <njan> possibly..
[12:35] <njan> little steps :)
[12:35] <bluefoxicy> err
[12:35] <bluefoxicy> chicken and bigger chicken rather.
[12:35] <njan> what I'd like to see is hardened ubuntu support approaching that of gentoo
[12:35] <bluefoxicy> there's an easy way to deploy pax without breaking anything, and still kick nvidia and ati around for it.
[12:36] <njan> unfortunately, I was forced to drop gentoo in favour of ubuntu because maintaining gentoo on a laptop for production use was just too time-consuming..
[12:36] <njan> but with gentoo I dropped hardened gentoo as well, and I wasn't terribly happy about that :(
[12:36] <bluefoxicy> while ProPolice and PIE become easy enough to deploy without breaking third party programs at all, grsecurity and pax can break things right?
[12:36] <bluefoxicy> so we have an easy solution.
[12:36] <njan> What's that?
[12:36] <bluefoxicy> Supply an official paxified kernel, and an official non-pax kernel, document the difference in terms of security
[12:36] <bluefoxicy> and support both.
[12:36] <njan> bluefoxicy, for ubuntu?
[12:36] <bluefoxicy> (not that hard, supporting the non-pax is just a subset of supporting the pax)
[12:37] <bluefoxicy> njan:  for any/all distros
[12:37] <bluefoxicy> this is theoretical
[12:37] <njan> bluefoxicy, so you're basically talking about maintaining a grsec/pax'd kernel in parallel to the kernel.org sources?
[12:37] <bluefoxicy> though I'm hoping ubuntu will go that direction
[12:38] <bluefoxicy> njan:  yes, it's not really a daunting effort aside from the added build time; grsec goes on last
[12:38] <njan> likewise. I've actually considered doing a load of work on ubuntu to see if it'd make a difference, but unfortunately I don't have time to do it on my own
[12:38] <njan> bluefoxicy, true.. although if you're building sources, you'd have a lot of packaging headaches
[12:38] <bluefoxicy> njan:  well, with official support, what do you imagine the public impact would be?
[12:38] <bluefoxicy> FAQ:
[12:38] <bluefoxicy>   Q.  My Ubuntu Linux distribution won't run any games or 3D apps, they crash.  How do I fix this?
[12:38] <njan> bluefoxicy, with official support for anything, there's a positive public impact in terms of uptake..
[12:39] <_slice_> grsecurity and pax can certainly breaks things
[12:39] <_slice_> hehe
[12:39] <njan> ..but specifically to this I'm not sure how exactly you'd do things..
[12:39] <_slice_> X for one
[12:39] <bluefoxicy>   A.  You're using a secure Linux kernel.  Please switch to a less secure kernel.
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> _slice_:  dlloader solves the X problem.
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> njan:  How do you think that kind of FAQ question would go?  :)
[12:39] <CreeVal> Citrix has a package it depends on to work in Ubuntu, anyone know what package that is?
[12:39] <_slice_> dlloader? cool
[12:39] <bluefoxicy> "WTF NO FIX YOUR DAMN DRIVER"
[12:39] <CreeVal> (Citrix ICA client that is)
[12:39] <_slice_> now you tell me hehe
[12:39] <njan> ..since all distributions take the kernel sources and compile them themselves anyway, you'd basically just be giving them a prepatched kernel; and most distributions patch kernels themselves anyway
[12:40] <njan> I think the direction to go in would be forming an entity which worked with specific distributions to help them maintain securer kernels, because I just don't think you'd have an impact in any other way.
[12:40] <bluefoxicy> njan:  heh
[12:40] <njan> you'd *never* get *every* distribution to ship a grsec/pax kernel by default, so the FAQ question is kinda redundant, unfortunately..
[12:40] <njan> if ubuntu started shipping a grsec/pax kernel by default I virtually guarantee you that the number of new users ubuntu would have would drop dramatically.
[12:41] <bluefoxicy> njan:  I'd be the official ubuntu gr kernel maintainer if someone would hand me the job, and give me instructions.  I can patch the kernel myself.
[12:41] <FX|Laptop> hello
[12:41] <CreeVal> Anyone know when the shipping of Hoary starts?
[12:41] <ions2> anybody know what I need in sources.list to get mplayer?
[12:41] <njan> same reason that the 'secure' distributions like trustix and adamantix which are based on debian don't have very many users..
[12:41] <bluefoxicy> njan:  not by default on, but as an option
[12:41] <Zotnix> Hrm... update notifier tells me how many updates I have after I updated.
[12:41] <Zotnix> and just sits there.
[12:41] <njan> bluefoxicy, mandrake has that already.
[12:41] <bluefoxicy> njan:  but anything shipped with ubuntu would work out of the box
[12:41] <njan> bluefoxicy, you can enable selinux using the mandrake control center
[12:41] <CreeVal> ions2, universe...
[12:41] <FX|Laptop> I was just wondering if anyone uses a print server with ubuntu? Like a netgear ps121
[12:41] <bluefoxicy> njan:  selinux is not PaX/kernsec :)
[12:41] <ions2> ok then it's failing for another reason... :\
[12:42] <njan> bluefoxicy, no, it's securer; afaik the 'medium' security levels mandrake give you are grsec/pax'd
[12:42] <bluefoxicy> njan:  selinux doesn't stop race conditions or runtime code execution
[12:42] <njan> bluefoxicy, level 5 iirc is selinux
[12:42] <njan> bluefoxicy, I know :p
[12:42] <biezt> can anyone tell me why ubuntu installation keeps crashing during teh last part ?
[12:42] <bluefoxicy> it'll stop races with a proper ACL, I think.  Maybe.  :)
[12:42] <CreeVal> ions2, try adding it in Synaptic to the Reps...
[12:42] <djtansey> does anyone have the problem that the esd that is started automatically doesn't release /dev/dsp so other apps can use it? how can i make it not do that?
[12:42] <_slice_> biezt: did you check the md5 for the iso ?
[12:42] <njan> sound properties in gnome, djtansey
[12:42] <biezt> y
[12:42] <njan> bluefoxicy, tbh, there are some portions of grsec which there's no excuse for not having in the vanilla sources
[12:42] <njan> bluefoxicy, like most of the openwall patches
[12:42] <_slice_> ok
[12:43] <bluefoxicy> njan:  you saw http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USNAnalysis ?
[12:43] <_slice_> biezt: more info... when does it crash... error msg's? etc...
[12:43] <biezt> this time it was during generating fonts or sumthings
[12:44] <FX|Laptop> No one has any ideas?
[12:44] <njan> bluefoxicy, yup, looked pretty good to me
[12:44] <biezt> i just stops and does nothing
[12:44] <bluefoxicy> njan:  *nod*  :)
[12:44] <njan> bluefoxicy, if you get the job, give me a shout and I'll give you a hand ;) (maintaining ubuntu grsec)
[12:44] <bluefoxicy> njan:  martin pitt has kernels for x86 already, I'd just be willing to take it off his hands
[12:44] <FX|Laptop> ugh.......
[12:44] <njan> bluefoxicy, gotcha. Well, if you need extra hands.. *shrug*
[12:44] <_slice_> biezt: is this warty? are you on a laptop ?
[12:45] <bluefoxicy> I tried adding a grsecurity/netdev-random to my amd64 sources here though and when it built it built a weird package with no real kernel in it :(
[12:45] <biezt> y this is wharty and no it's on a normal pc
[12:45] <njan> bluefoxicy, I'm not an expert on grsec/pax, nor am I a fantastic coder, but I do know quite a bit about security ;)
[12:45] <_slice_> biezt: i have no idea sorry
[12:45] <bluefoxicy> njan:  what I need to know is how to make friggin' kernel packages :P
[12:45] <CreeVal> Citrix ICA client for Linux has a package it depends on to work in Ubuntu, anyone know what package that is?
[12:45] <njan> bluefoxicy, take one to bits and find out
[12:45] <_slice_> biezt: reburn the iso maybe?
[12:46] <_slice_> just in case... rule that out anyway
[12:46] <bluefoxicy> njan:  I tried make-kpkg
[12:46] <njan> bluefoxicy, debian packages aren't much more complicated than ebuilds, and ebuilds are really easy to hack
[12:46] <njan> bluefoxicy, make-kpkg is evil
[12:46] <bluefoxicy> ebuilds are programming porno
[12:46] <njan> :)
[12:46] <bluefoxicy> they're all naked in front of you
[12:46] <njan> bluefoxicy, programming onanism :p
[12:46] <bluefoxicy> you just need to touch the parts you like
[12:46] <CreeVal> i'll take that as a no...
[12:46] <njan> onanism's a fantastic word, you get to be rude and erudite at the same time; I never miss an opportunity to use the word onanism :)
[12:47] <bluefoxicy> erudite?
[12:47] <bluefoxicy> onanism is pulling your penis out before ejaculation btw
[12:47] <neom> Anyone know anything about windows/linux networking?
[12:47] <alimango> don;t know
[12:47] <njan> bluefoxicy, according to my dictionary it simply means masturbation
[12:47] <bluefoxicy> njan:  odd.
[12:47] <njan> bluefoxicy, the french actually have a fairly well-used phrase which uses the word in french; onanisme intellectuele..
[12:47] <CreeVal> lefthanded masturbating part-time fag is a good frase to yell at people you dont like...
[12:48] <bluefoxicy> the word is derived from Onan, who avoided conception by pulling out
[12:48] <ions2> when I try and install mplayer it chokes on a bunch of stuff and I do have universe uncommented
[12:48] <bluefoxicy> Orin was cooler
[12:48] <bluefoxicy> he just smashed locks in when he came to locked doors
[12:48] <bluefoxicy> "The door's locked"  "? . . . *push* *Bend* *crunch* . . . looks open to me."
[12:49] <njan> bluefoxicy, it must have been bastardised at some point; diction^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hanswers.com lists it as masturbation in every entry
[12:49] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[12:49] <bluefoxicy> ^H
[12:49] <ions2> Package mplayer is a virtual package provided by: it lists 5 things
[12:49] <ions2> then says: You should explicitly select one to install.
[12:50] <ions2> if I try and install any one of those on their own it craps out
[12:50] <njan> bluefoxicy, mind you, it wouldn't be the only sexual word which is at odds with its etymology; if you look at the origin of the word lesbian it doesn't mean what you think either; that word has her origin in the peloponnesian wars..
[12:50] <bluefoxicy> in the placenta?
[12:50] <njan> bluefoxicy, huh?
[12:50] <chillywilly> why didn
[12:51] <chillywilly> didn't anyone mention doign sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[12:51] <bluefoxicy> man
[12:51] <bluefoxicy> i need to find a make-kpkg tutorial
[12:51] <njan> bluefoxicy, I know far too much about ancient greek history and government :p
[12:51] <chillywilly> hmmm, need to fix refresh rate, LCD is a bit blurry
[12:51] <djtansey> njan: that lets me disable the sound server, but now no gnome apps can get access to /dev/dsp -- for instance rhythmbox says could not open resource
[12:51] <_slice_> i thought lesbian just came from lesbos
[12:52] <_slice_> as in a person from lesbos
[12:52] <njan> djtansey, that's because they're trying to output sound via esd; you'll have to tell them to use alsa
[12:52] <_slice_> originally
[12:52] <njan> djtansey, the disadvantage of turning esd off is that only 1 app can access /dev/dsp, but the advantage is that apps with no esd support can actually make noises.
[12:52] <djtansey> njan: isn't there a esd setting that releases /dev/dsp after a couple of seconds of inactivity?
[12:52] <bluefoxicy> njan:  you know, gr only has 2 misses?
[12:53] <njan> djtansey, don't know, I have esd disabled :)
[12:53] <bluefoxicy> one in the makefile (drop it), one in sysctl.h (an enum)
[12:53] <njan> bluefoxicy, misses?
[12:53] <bluefoxicy> njan:  I tried to patch it on top of ubuntu's kernel sources :)
[12:53] <jay> hey I've been bustin my balls for days now.... Does anyone know how to set up masqerading on ubuntu (I'm kind of new to this thing....)
[12:53] <njan> bluefoxicy, oh, gotcha :)
[12:53] <njan> jay, by masquerading you mean you want to NAT traffic for machines on a network?
[12:54] <jay> njan: Internet connection sharing, yes I think
[12:54] <njan> jay, gotcha. I recommend you use the appropriately-named jay's firewall :)
[12:54] <djtansey> njan: yes -- it is -as <number of seconds until it releases it>
[12:54] <matt__> jay, get firestarter from universe
[12:54] <njan> jay, it's a set of scripts with an ncurses (console menus) interface which sets that up for you
[12:54] <bluefoxicy> jay:  not that hard.  iptables -t NAT -I POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -j MASQUERADE
[12:54] <djtansey> njan: now i just have to figure out how to get gnome to start it with that option
[12:54] <robertj> What paramater do I need to use to do a disk cehck on my Array cd?
[12:54] <njan> jay, matt__'s recommendation is another script which'll do it.
[12:55] <njan> djtansey, not sure what to tell you, sorry :)
[12:55] <bluefoxicy> . . . or you could use a set of scripts with a console interface to do it, like njan said
[12:55] <jay> yes I'm using GNOME right now, didn't get around to KDE yet. isn't firestarter for KDE?
[12:55] <matt__> yeah, firestarter is a nice gtk frontend to iptables
[12:55] <njan> imo jay's firewall is the easiest firewalling system to use if you've never used iptables before.
[12:55] <njan> you don't really need to know very much about tcp/ip to use it
[12:55] <bluefoxicy> jay:  with mine you'd have to use your internet-side interface for eth0, and you'd replace <IP_ADDRESS>/24 with your network/netmask
[12:56] <bluefoxicy> njan:  i'm entirely too lazy :)
[12:56] <jay> bluefoxicy: I am recieving internet on wlan0 and want to share it onto eth0. wlan0's network is 192.168 and eth0's network is 10.0
[12:56] <njan> bluefoxicy, :)
[12:57] <jay> believe it or not, I got ndiswrapper working. that was a whole sepparate issue!
[12:57] <bluefoxicy> iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -s <IP_ADDRESS>/8 -j MASQUERADE
[12:57] <bluefoxicy> . . . is it /8 or /16?
[12:57] <chillywilly> hmm, so why don't you guys have the typical defualt gnome icons on the desktop? did they get rid of that for gnome 2.10?
[12:57] <Xenguy> jay: shorewall firewall is an option
[12:57] <bluefoxicy>  /8 is <IP_ADDRESS>, /16 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:58] <jay> It's a very slow computer. I'd rather have it done like within the kernel, not using 3rd party software...
[12:58] <jay> p2 266, 192 RAM, and I want to be able to play UT on it too
[12:58] <Zotnix> chibifs, it was a decision of ubuntu, apparently. You could enable them I imagine, via gconf
[12:58] <Zotnix> chibifs =  chillywilly
[12:59] <njan> jay, I wouldn't share my internet connection using a workstation, but that's just me; I have a 450MHz machine in my living room doing my internet connection and nothing else.
[12:59] <jay> oh it's fine. mostly this comp will just be sitting there, but I want it for UT in case too many guys come over, and I Need it...
[01:00] <njan> ;)
[01:01] <Sav> anyone knows why i cant see bold and italic text with X-Chat?
[01:02] <adam_> How does one setup postfix to use the isp name for email?
[01:03] <adam_> The from header of the mail i sent from mutt to my gmail account has my machine name
[01:04] <lamont> adam_: the simplest way is to tell mutt to use the from address you want
[01:05] <adam_> I set the hostname to my isp email in muttrc and from as well and neither worked
[01:06] <Xenguy> adam_: what line in ~/.muttrc did you use?
[01:06] <Tr0gd0r> whats the fastest browser that java capable?
[01:06] <adam_> "set hostname="blah.net"
[01:06] <jay> bluefoxicy: I don't believe it's working
[01:06] <Tr0gd0r> for a slow computer
[01:06] <bluefoxicy> jay:  meh
[01:06] <adam_> set<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:07] <jay> On my other machine (XP), I set the gateway to <IP_ADDRESS>, the IP of eth0 on this machine
[01:07] <jay> correct?
[01:07] <chillywilly> gdesklets isn't packaged?
[01:07] <bluefoxicy> jay:  should be.
[01:08] <Xenguy> adam_: try this -> folder-hook .    my_hdr From: Firstname Lastname<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:08] <bluefoxicy> jay:  ask in #iptables, give them the line I gave you
[01:08] <Xenguy> adam_: you may need to re-start mutt
[01:08] <jay> oh sweet, thanks
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> they'll sort you out in 10 minutes (as soon as someone's awake there)
[01:09] <jay> heh, I was using win2000 to share but it kept going down on me. I KNOW that once I get this set up (which is a pain in the ass) at least it will always work.
[01:09] <jay> heh
[01:10] <adam_> That worked perfect, I wonder why the options i set didnt work though
[01:10] <adam_> thanks
[01:11] <bitfoo> hey
[01:11] <bitfoo> how do i get a digicam to show up in linux
[01:11] <bitfoo> its usb :|
[01:12] <adam_> One more question, how does one change the hostname?  hostname blah  from the terminal doesnt stick
[01:12] <bitfoo> elloooooooooooooo
[01:15] <CreeVal> bitfoo: plug it in, turn it on... Thats what i do...
[01:15] <chillywilly> anyone know how to turn off the short cut keys in gnome-terminal? I like to use emacs commands to navigate/edit the command line
[01:15] <chillywilly> M-b makes a menu pop-up even if the menu bar is not shown
[01:16] <chillywilly> same with M-v
[01:16] <chillywilly> blah, I hate that ;)
[01:16] <bitfoo> well if it was that easy it would show up :|
[01:17] <CreeVal> bitfoo: Well, here it just works... :S
[01:17] <adam_> Have any of you set your hostnames for your machines?
[01:17] <altan> the current version of FF on Warty does not appear to support keyboard shortcuts and does not have a manual. Will I have to upgrade to 1.0?
[01:17] <Tr0gd0r> is there an apt-get install opera?
[01:17] <CreeVal> have you tried?
[01:17] <snowblink> chillywilly: edit keyboard shortcuts in the gnome terminal app
[01:18] <Tr0gd0r> i tried yes, didnt work
[01:18] <wm_eddie> Tr0gd0r: Isn't surprizing since Opera isn't open source.
[01:18] <CreeVal> Then there is most likely not an apt-get install opera...
[01:19] <wm_eddie> although, I wonder how much better Opera will run on my laptop than firefox
[01:19] <Tr0gd0r> well i need a good browser for a slow machine
[01:19] <Tr0gd0r> firefox is slow
[01:19] <snowblink> Tr0gd0r: see ubuntuguide to install opera
[01:19] <CreeVal> I love firefox... Adblock extension is just great...
[01:20] <chillywilly> snowblink: where? I don't see it.
[01:20] <snowblink> chillywilly: Press edit
[01:20] <snowblink> chillywilly: then Keyboard Shortcuts
[01:20] <chillywilly> k
[01:22] <Tr0gd0r> no opera on ubuntuguide
[01:22] <pvh> CreeVal: Yeah, adblock is what made me give up opera.
[01:22] <Tr0gd0r> sorry snow
[01:22] <pvh> CreeVal: Though I think opera is way better in some ways.
[01:22] <CreeVal> pvh: yeah agreed...
[01:22] <snowblink> Tr0gd0r: try epiphany for an alt browser
[01:22] <pvh> CreeVal: The fast-forward/rewind, the mail client, the tab-handling and sessions...
[01:23] <CreeVal> pvh: yes indeed... The fact that you have to install an extension bothers me a bit...
[01:23] <CreeVal> (speaking of FireFox of course)
[01:23] <pvh> CreeVal: Even with the tab-handling extension it's still not as good as Opera.
[01:23] <chillywilly> brb
[01:23] <pvh> CreeVal: Though if you edit your mouse extensions it's pretty darn close.
[01:23] <snowblink> Tr0gd0r: hmmm. I was sure I saw it somewhere...
[01:23] <pvh> CreeVal: I hate how when FF fails to load a page, it clears the location bar.
[01:24] <CreeVal> pvh: yeah i know! :D
[01:24] <pvh> CreeVal: Means that if I open FF by accident on my laptop away from network, I lose EVERYTHING I had open.
[01:24] <snowblink> Tr0gd0r: I think I just downloaded Opera 8 deb file, then dpkg
[01:24] <uhulive> hi
[01:24] <pvh> uhulive: hi
[01:24] <uhulive> how do i count the words in OOo?
[01:24] <pvh> 1.2? File-Properties
[01:25] <uhulive> lemme see. i'm using my uhu live cd at the moment
[01:25] <pvh> it's moved somewhere more visible in 2.0
[01:26] <chillywilly> have a problem
[01:26] <uhulive> yup thanks
[01:26] <chillywilly> when gnome starts it keeps wanting to start multiple gnome terminals
[01:26] <chillywilly> and I keep clicking ok and the dialog keeps reapearing
[01:26] <chillywilly> gnome panels that is
[01:27] <chillywilly> I've detected a gnome panel already running and will exit now
[01:27] <GrandMasta> chilly open a terminal and type 'killall gnome-panel'
[01:27] <chillywilly> over and over
[01:27] <chillywilly> thanks
[01:27] <GrandMasta> then save session
[01:28] <snowblink> those using Opera, are you using it in GNOME?
[01:29] <snowblink> how do you make the fonts look less awful?
[01:30] <chillywilly> is there a package for gdesklets?
[01:30] <snowblink> chillywilly: yes
[01:30] <chillywilly> apt-cache search gdesklets gives me nothin'
[01:30] <snowblink> chillywilly: what repos have you got?
[01:31] <darkx> there is
[01:31] <chillywilly> the default ones right now
[01:31] <darkx> try apt-cache search gdesk
[01:31] <darkx> or desklets
[01:31] <darkx> it may be named differently
[01:31] <snowblink> chillywilly: make sure you have universe & multiverse
[01:31] <chillywilly> k
[01:32] <snowblink> chillywilly: they are in universe
[01:33] <Tr0gd0r> i did apt-get install mozilla, and i switched to x-windows, now how do i run it, its not on the apps list
[01:33] <chillywilly> what about universe security packages?
[01:33] <snowblink> chillywilly: no such thing
[01:33] <chillywilly> I don't see multiverse commented so I will have to add that one manually
[01:33] <chillywilly> it's commented in my sources.list
[01:33] <bendebian> i have upgraded my ibm-notebook to 1 gb of RAM. the memtest that ubuntu has installed shows 1 gb, but after bootung ubuntu "free" told me only something about 906 mb ram. what is wrong?
[01:34] <chillywilly> the large memory stuff not enabled in the kernel?
[01:35] <bendebian> i will check. moment please
[01:35] <njan> chillywilly, if it's the default warty or hoary kernel, it is enabled; I know, I have >1gb ram
[01:36] <bendebian> njan: okay, thanks
[01:36] <njan> bendebian, you probably have 906mb *free*.. which makes sense, really.
[01:36] <chillywilly> I have 1GB RAM too...haven't looked at what the kernel sees
[01:36] <bendebian> njan: it is the default hoary kernel
[01:36] <Ensiferum> compiling application from sauce :]
[01:36] <Ensiferum> havent done that since ditching crapware
[01:36] <Ensiferum> err
[01:36] <njan>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[01:36] <njan> Mem:       1296096     404256     891840          0       4268     220020
[01:36] <Ensiferum> slackware
[01:37] <njan> bendebian, I have more ram than you and less free
[01:37] <chillywilly> root@frodo:/home/danielb # cat /proc/meminfo
[01:37] <chillywilly> MemTotal:       906660 kB
[01:37] <chillywilly> same thing here too apparently
[01:37] <bendebian> chillywilly: but why?
[01:38] <CrucifiedLemur> hello
[01:38] <chillywilly> something is not turned on in the kernel is my guess
[01:38] <altan> I get 1011MB
[01:38] <CrucifiedLemur> how can i use my kodak digital camera with ubuntu?
[01:38] <robodex> hmm, this is weird... /proc/meminfo says I have 97mb of ram free but the little meminfo item in xfce's panel says I have over 300mb free...
[01:39] <CrucifiedLemur> can anyone tell me how to make my digital camera work with linux?
[01:39] <wm_eddie> opera isn't that fast...
[01:39] <njan> CrucifiedLemur, they might do, if you give them time to answer :)
[01:40] <CrucifiedLemur> ok
[01:40] <njan> CrucifiedLemur, what sort of camera? (how old, what cables come with it, what sort of media)
[01:40] <djtansey> anyone here using beagle (or rather, anyone here feel comfortable discussing problems in beagled?)
[01:40] <CrucifiedLemur> it is pretty new, Kodak EasyShare
[01:40] <bendebian> CrucifiedLemur: i use gtkam for my sony s40 and it worked out-of-the-box for me
[01:41] <CrucifiedLemur> it is a Kodak cx7525
[01:41] <bendebian> sorry, it is a sony s45
[01:41] <EfaistOs> does someone have an ipod shuffle working under debian ?
[01:42] <EfaistOs> s/debian/ubuntu ;p
[01:45] <AndyR> anyone know if its possible to change port numbers evolution uses for pop/smtp?  im trying to set it up for gmail
[01:46] <njan> AndyR, you shouldn't have to
[01:46] <njan> AndyR, just select 'pop' for receiving mail and then alter the security option to always
[01:46] <CrucifiedLemur> how do you get to that window with all the programs u can get
[01:46] <Zotnix> I've tried beagled.... it eats up insane amounts of memory
[01:47] <Zotnix> I'm talking 500+ MB of memory
[01:47] <jdub> that's the main focus of beagle development atm
[01:47] <Zotnix> :nods:
[01:48] <Zotnix> They helped me install it. I can get it running now just can't get best to work. but when you have 384 Mb ram, and 500 MB being used... it gets ugly ;)
[01:49] <AndyR> gmail uses smtp 465 and pop 995
[01:50] <gazzabnz> Wassup
[01:50] <CrucifiedLemur> how do you force quit
[01:51] <CrucifiedLemur> sorry i my brother just put linux on my computer and im half-clueless
[01:51] <Zotnix> Hrm... whenever I try to run an openGL program I get this: [sis_alloc.c:154] : Failure to allocate Z buffer.
[01:51] <Zotnix> I imagine this would be a bug with Xorg, no?
[01:51] <inc> sup peeps
[01:51] <Zotnix> CrucifiedLemur, force quit what?
[01:52] <CrucifiedLemur> i had done a Find Text on a web page, and now the box that says Find In This Page wont go away(mozilla)
[01:52] <chromate> so the only package system ubuntu uses is apt?
[01:52] <inc> any one out there now about setting up a wifi atheros ar5212 chipset card?
[01:53] <Zotnix> CrucifiedLemur, you can either go into your terminal (gnome-terminal or xterm) and type in 'killall mozilla'
[01:53] <Zotnix> Or type in xkill and kill it that way.
[01:53] <Zotnix> Your mouse will turn into a crosshair and you click on mozilla to make it go away.
[01:54] <CrucifiedLemur> thanks
[01:55] <CrucifiedLemur> do you know that window where there is a list of all the programs you can get are?
[01:55] <Zotnix> Ah
[01:55] <carambol> synaptic
[01:56] <CrucifiedLemur> thanks
[01:56] <inc> so no one try to et a wifi card ?
[01:56] <carambol> :)
[01:57] <Hwolf> Does the firefox download manager resume downloads?
[01:59] <xadas_> Hwolf, no, but it is in roadmap, ff1.5 should resume :-)
[02:00] <CrucifiedLemur> thanks for the help....bye
[02:00] <Hwolf> xadas_ damn
[02:00] <wasabi> Is the Ubuntu initrd prepared for mounting a EVMS root dir?
[02:00] <tw001> So, whats the stroy with alsaconf & ubuntu ???
[02:01] <tw001> Where is it & why don't I have it?  searched with no answers - trying irc
[02:03] <bluefoxicy> still no driver for USB 0846:4220 wg111
[02:03] <bluefoxicy> or for the adm8211 based dwl650 pcmcia
[02:06] <HaloGray> Which method is recommended for accessing a windows shared printer?
[02:06] <HaloGray> CUPS or SMB?
[02:09] <tw001> So anyone willing to give me a heads up on configuring sound?
[02:10] <HaloGray> You don't have sound with ubuntu?
[02:10] <HaloGray> It should be automagically configured on install
[02:10] <HaloGray> You may be lacking a sound card driver
[02:10] <tw001> well, I got it in xmms by manually configuring xmms - but not in hydrogen, or audacity
[02:11] <tw001> no sounds on entering kde either
[02:11] <regeya> guh.  I had set up this ppc install to mount another drive at startup via fstab, and mounting failed at startup.  I have an emergency shell---but the kbd hasn't been detected.  *sigh*
[02:12] <tw001> lspci is OK   -  0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)   0000:00:0a.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 07)
[02:12] <Zotnix> regeya, USB keyboard?
[02:13] <regeya> indeed, Zotnix.
[02:13] <Zotnix> regeya, sure you have your BIOS set to enable USB devices at bootup?
[02:13] <tw001> lsmod seems ok  -  emu10k1_gp              3840  0
[02:13] <tw001> (amoung others)
[02:13] <Zotnix> Oh.
[02:13] <Zotnix> Nevermind
[02:14] <Iddi> I'm running Warty and am trying to install mplayer, which is in hoary multiverse. I mark it, and it says it needs dependencies to be marked too, so I mark them. Then it says it can't mark them (" Depends: libasound2 but 1.0.5-1ubuntu1 is to be installed" for example).
[02:14] <regeya> a few hours ago this seemed like a really good idea
[02:14] <regeya> :-}
[02:14] <Iddi> I've added all necessary reps... I think... Do I need to upgrade my entire system to hoary?
[02:16] <shushi2005> How can I run multiple commands at startup automatically?
[02:16] <Orcrist> Iddi... from my experience the packaged mplayer is borked anyway... it only lets you run it command line... if that's what you want then have at it
[02:16] <Orcrist> but if you want full functionality, just compile from source per the directions on the mplayer site
[02:17] <Xappe> yepp, and if you install esd-devs before compiling mplayer, it compiles with esd support
[02:17] <Orcrist> which is nice, esp for gnome
[02:17] <chillywilly> bah
[02:18] <robertj> What's wrong with GnomeVFS under Array 4?
[02:18] <shushi2005> Is a file in Ubuntu similar to rc.local?
[02:18] <Orcrist> but by all means make SURE you install the codec library per those directions BEFORE you compile
[02:18] <Iddi> Orcrist: Yeah, okay... But my brother has installed it, and I can't even do that. Sounds better than no mplayer at all, so I'd like to be able to install it :/
[02:18] <chillywilly> installs
[02:19] <Orcrist> Iddi, can't even do what?
[02:19] <chillywilly> what about Marillat's mplayer debs? surely you could install those
[02:19] <Orcrist> well a quick kludge would be to change your repositories back to warty, update your cache, then see if it installs from warty repositories
[02:20] <muhahahah> hi
[02:20] <chillywilly> muhahahah!
[02:20] <muhahahah> can i resize an ext3 partition now that it is created and has ubuntu installed?
[02:20] <Iddi> Orcrist: As I said, it says it can't mark mplayer's deps... but maybe if i unmark all hoary but multiverse
[02:20] <muhahahah> i made it only 5gb and i want it to be bigger
[02:20] <niptac> can anyone tell me what do I replace in this command? "cd browse_to_your_download_folder"    if my package resides in home folder
[02:20] <chillywilly> muhahahah: might be able to do it with parted
[02:20] <tw001> shushi2005 - I think you make the script you want and then type chkconfig --add scriptname to add it to startup
[02:21] <niptac> is it cd browse /home/package_name?
[02:21] <muhahahah> parted? if is a gui one better, so i can't make many mistakes
[02:21] <Iddi> Orcrist: no go
[02:21] <Orcrist> have you tried manually installing libasound on its own?
[02:21] <shushi2005> tw001, How do I make a script?
[02:21] <Orcrist> how much 'hoary' do you have in your system?
[02:21] <Iddi> none
[02:21] <cowbud> shushi2005: what do you want to do?
[02:21] <cowbud> shushi2005: as in what commands do you weant to run
[02:21] <Orcrist> why do you have hoary repositories cached up then?
[02:22] <tw001> simple bash script - same principle if you added something to rc.local as you mentioned
[02:22] <Xappe> Iddi, you should not mix hoary and warty repos
[02:22] <chillywilly> lalala
[02:22] <Iddi> because i cached them to see if mplayer needed any deps there
[02:22] <Iddi> Orcrist, no, it says it can't mark any of the deps... libasound was just an example
[02:22] <Iddi> Xappe, maybe not... my brother installed mplayer from hoary multi all good, though
[02:22] <Orcrist> well that's probably why it can't... becasue you're trying to install a hoary package in a a warty environment
[02:23] <cowbud> tw001: last I checked ubuntu doesn't use chkconfig
[02:23] <chillywilly> # Host of goodies, mplayer, flashplayer-mozilla, etc.
[02:23] <chillywilly> #deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main
[02:23] <chillywilly> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[02:23] <Orcrist> it's telling you 'I won't install these because they might break me'
[02:23] <chillywilly> try that one
[02:23] <Iddi> mhmmmm
[02:23] <Iddi> So, what, I have to upgrade my entire system to hoary first? :/
[02:23] <Orcrist> and if it's an included package in hoary, it won't need any deps from warty
[02:23] <tw001> ok... I thought that both were sysvinit stuff.. I'm used to slack - sorry
[02:23] <Orcrist> I have hoary and I installed the package just fine
[02:23] <jdub> Iddi: it is not a good idea to try and use a half-and-half system
[02:24] <Orcrist> hang on and let me look at what it depends on
[02:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> try to, not "try and"
[02:25] <Orcrist> hmmm... I don't see why you're having problems... just make sure you have your repositiores set to hoary universe multiverse
[02:25] <Orcrist> oops
[02:25] <inc> can anyone help wi
[02:25] <Orcrist> I mean warty universe multiverse
[02:25] <inc> setting up wfif
[02:25] <muhahahah> is htere any kde app like synaptic?
[02:25] <inc> wifi card
[02:25] <chillywilly> damn no mime types in gnome for OOo 2 docs
[02:26] <chillywilly> just shows it as a Zip archive
[02:26] <chillywilly> that's lame
[02:26] <HaloGray> I can attempt to help with wifi
[02:26] <chillywilly> mime types nor file associations
[02:26] <cowbud> anyone know wtf ubuntu uses gamin for?
[02:26] <HaloGray> I spent a few days earlier this week getting my wifi to work :(
[02:27] <cowbud> ahh it is a fam replacement..
[02:27] <HaloGray> what chipset do you have?
[02:27] <cowbud> but why do I need fam and gamin running?
[02:27] <HaloGray> also... does anybody know if there's anything like rainlendar for gnome/linux?
[02:27] <jdub> cowbud: you don't, remove fam
[02:27] <HaloGray> I miss that program so so much :(
[02:27] <cowbud> jdub:  excellent :)
[02:28] <Iddi> Thanks for all the help
[02:28] <inc> w
[02:29] <inc> it's  betgear wg511t artheros ar5212
[02:29] <inc> hate this keyboard lol
[02:30] <HaloGray> are those two different cards?
[02:30] <niptac> cool I figured it out
[02:30] <johann> has anyone here installed mail-notification for evolution using apt-get
[02:30] <inc> it's the card and the chipset of it
[02:31] <inc> Artheros ar5212 is the chipset
[02:31] <Xappe> johann, yes...but in hoary
[02:31] <blah09> hello has anyone managed to get realplayer running using the guide on ubuntuguides.org?
[02:31] <inc> comes up as ath0 in dmesg
[02:32] <johann> is it only possible in hoary
[02:32] <Xappe> ok :)
[02:32] <Xappe> i like it
[02:33] <HaloGray> so do you have the chipset module?
[02:33] <HaloGray> is it loading I mean?
[02:33] <HaloGray> and do you have wireless-tools downloaded via apt-get or synaptic?
[02:33] <HaloGray> because iwlink will be very helpful to you
[02:33] <inc> i keep reading th wiki and it says it's supported but i can't get it to run
[02:34] <inc> yeah they are installed
[02:34] <inc> yeah they are installed?
[02:34] <inc> iwlink?
[02:34] <inc> sorry dumb keyboard lol
[02:34] <johann> Xappe: I was trying to use the tarball but I get a frustrating error which I could resolve when I ran ./configure on the mailnotification tarball
[02:34] <johann> thats why I was looking for an apt-get
[02:34] <shushi2005> How do I make a bash script
[02:35] <johann> it was always complaining of the GTK+ although I had installed 2.6
[02:35] <shushi2005> ?
[02:35] <Xappe> johann, ah, ok
[02:36] <johann> Xappe: Is the apt-get for mailnotification only usable on hoary
[02:37] <Xappe> johann, that I don't know...but probably the dependencies are hoary specific
[02:37] <Ex-Cyber> where can I find docs on gnome-vfs and its various backends?
[02:37] <johann> Xappe: Ok maybe then you could shed some light on my gtk error, do you know how I can see what gtk+ version the system is using
[02:37] <shushi2005> How do I make a bash script?
[02:39] <inc> this is a great site for shell scripts.. http://www.freeos.com/guides/lsst/ch02.html
[02:40] <Xappe> johann, hmm...not really sure where it is
[02:40] <eskilo> i discovered something really weird about the "places" menu in hoary..it's defined in the exe.
[02:40] <johann> Xappe: ok....no problem, thanks
[02:41] <Xappe> johann, maybe /etc/gtk-2/
[02:41] <Ex-Cyber> shushi2005: a bash script is basically a list of commands to be executed by bash (it can get more complex than that, but that's the basic idea)... essentially you just have to type the commands into a text file, one on each line, then if you want to be able to run it "directly" you need to give yourself execute permission for it and add a line at the top like this: #!/bin/bash
[02:41] <gamecat> I need the dos2unix utility.
[02:41] <gamecat> does anyone know where to get the source?
[02:42] <eskilo> gamecat you didn't try google?
[02:42] <gamecat> ohhhhhh yes, I have tried google.
[02:42] <blah09> no one uses realplayer?
[02:42] <gamecat> More dead ends than you can shake a stick at.
[02:42] <eskilo> just checking..i really don't know anything about it unfortunately.
[02:42] <eskilo> yeah i've been through that.
[02:42] <carambol> is realplayer working in hoary?
[02:42] <Ex-Cyber> shushi2005: if you want to get into more depth than that, the best thing to do would be to find some scripts and try to understand them (having the bash manual open for reference helps: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bash.html )
[02:42] <eskilo> blah09: real player is proprietary.
[02:43] <ioxae> blah09: I make use of the real CODECS , but I dont use real player .. real player is bloated and it tires to be what it isnt .. I just use the actual CODECs
[02:43] <eskilo> though i don't know of an open standards equivalent.
[02:43] <rattboi24> doesn't the helix player play realplayer stuff?
[02:43] <Xappe> i'm scared of real player
[02:43] <gamecat> meh. Okay, grovelling through gnu.org.
[02:43] <carambol> blah09: use the instruction on the www.real.com/linux
[02:43] <eskilo> ioxae: you mean codecs that encode to real formats?
[02:43] <ioxae> blah09: download and install mplayer , dont bother with real.com/anything , real.com is a pit
[02:43] <blah09> iox where did you get the codecs?
[02:44] <eskilo> i don't know why someone would use real codecs.
[02:44] <eskilo> there are open standards based solutions like theora and vorbis.
[02:44] <alumik> blah09, search for the marillat repository
[02:44] <ioxae> blah09: download and install mplayer .. if you have the capability to make software from source .. download the actual source to mplayer and the binary codecs package , two seperate files , codecs are around 12MB , mplayer source is a few MB ..
[02:44] <akurashy> i installed KDE in my comp and now my xchat opens konqueror =/ is there a way to switch back ?
[02:45] <ioxae> eskilo: probably because the real format is widely used/deployed , sort of a dumb thing to wonder about
[02:45] <blah09> hm i have mplayer installed already, with w32codecs
[02:45] <gamecat> screw it.  Peace.
[02:46] <ioxae> blah09: well , there are additonal binary codecs that include some for real player .. problem solved .. I also know of a script integrates it into firefox and plays back with a GUI .. pretty neat
[02:48] <Anubis> Well Hoary sure make Gnome look alot better
[02:48] <Anubis> yeah some shit might break
[02:49] <Anubis> but it seemed everything was broken in Warty anyway
[02:49] <Anubis> LOL
[02:49] <alumik> Anubis, mine is pretty stable
[02:49] <Anubis> my text is not appearing in the input window
[02:49] <Anubis> in xchat
[02:49] <Xappe> no, the gtk themes and mouse cursors got downgraded somehow yesterday after months of beauty
[02:50] <stuNNed> wary broken? not.
[02:50] <Anubis> is that why no text in my input window?
[02:50] <alumik> Anubis, check the colors
[02:50] <Anubis> stuNNed, ok your right
[02:50] <HaloGray> Is there a way of getting hoary as a simple upgrade and not a fresh install?
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:51] <Xappe> Anubis, no, I get text in the input field
[02:51] <HaloGray> does it require to be burned to an iso?
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> change 'warty' to 'hoary'
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> in /etc/sources.list
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> or in synaptic
[02:51] <blah09> totem, does it play anything at all?
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> then use synaptic to do a system update
[02:51] <Anubis> Let me restart Xchat
[02:51] <HaloGray> cool
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> or run apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:51] <Anubis> i've gotten much better
[02:51] <HaloGray> ... wish me luck
[02:51] <stuNNed> totem was broken in hoary last i checked
[02:51] <inc> good luck
[02:51] <carambol> no universe!!!!
[02:52] <Anubis> when i first encounter Linux a broken X was the end for me
[02:52] <Anubis> now
[02:52] <blah09> on my system it was broken before hoary =/
[02:52] <Anubis> its just the begining
[02:52] <HaloGray> oh wait.  inc did you get your wifi working?
[02:52] <Anubis> but at least I have xorg 6.8 now
[02:52] <stuNNed> blah09: working here in warty :|
[02:52] <inc> nope
[02:52] <Anubis> now I'm going to play with transparencies
[02:52] <HaloGray> let me scroll for a minute and see where we left off
[02:52] <HaloGray> sorry... I stepped away
[02:52] <inc> i threw in a live cd of DSL nd seeing if it finds it
[02:53] <HaloGray> so you have the module running?
[02:53] <Anubis> blah blah blah
[02:53] <Anubis> works now
[02:53] <Anubis> yeah
[02:53] <Anubis> now
[02:54] <inc> which module?
[02:54] <Anubis> lets see what i can break?;)
[02:54] <Anubis> Thing my not be perfect in Ubuntu
[02:54] <Anubis> but I like the way things are done
[02:54] <alumik> anyone with kernel 2.6.10 and k7-m?
[02:54] <Anubis> apt really helps alot
[02:54] <Anubis> and I can see the hard work the DEV put into this
[02:55] <HaloGray> the wg511t should be good
[02:55] <Anubis> just because I always talk about whats broken
[02:55] <HaloGray> I only use chipset modules when there isn't one for the specific piece of hardware
[02:55] <Anubis> does not mean I do not like or am shitting on the great peoples work who provide this great resource for FREE
[02:55] <Anubis> Thanks!
[02:56] <HaloGray> inc just type lsmod and see if it's there
[02:56] <Xappe> nice monologue there Anubis ;)
[02:57] <Anubis> ;) Thanks I mean it
[02:57] <Anubis> I had a working MDK 10.1 install
[02:57] <Anubis> and was surprised at how far its come
[02:57] <Anubis> but I heard of Ubuntu
[02:57] <Anubis> read about the philosophy and that was enough for me
[02:58] <Anubis> apt and the Debian sources were icing
[02:58] <alumik> Anubis, then buy a CD set :)
[02:58] <Anubis> and like Gentoo i can still be bleeding edge
[02:58] <Anubis> alumik, not a bad idea
[02:58] <Anubis> i think I know the person to give it to
[02:58] <Anubis> Mom
[02:59] <Ex-Cyber> I'm quite impressed with Ubuntu... a lot of it is owed to Debian for the infrastructure, but that at least was a smart decision on the part of the Ubuntu folks... I think the degree to which Debian has its stuff together (both technically and administratively) is poorly appreciated in the Linux world
[03:01] <gamecat> Okay, so in case anyone else ever wants to use dos2unix?
[03:01] <gamecat> apt-get install sysutils
[03:01] <robodex> ubuntu is the first version of Linux I've used where I wasn't like "Well, back to windows" within a day of installing it
[03:01] <gamecat> I KNEW there was some package like that hanging around in there.
[03:01] <gamecat> okay, gone again.
[03:01] <robodex> I made an image of my old windows HD but I'm considering deleting it now
[03:02] <regeya> okeydoke, chief
[03:02] <DesiGuy> i'm new to ubuntu
[03:02] <DesiGuy> how do i remove firefox 0.9.3?
[03:02] <alumik> apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[03:02] <DesiGuy> thanks
[03:03] <njan> DesiGuy, do you want to remove mozilla-firefox entirely?
[03:03] <alumik> but why?
[03:03] <DesiGuy> i want firefox 1.0
[03:03] <njan> DesiGuy, or are you meaning you want a newer version?
[03:03] <akurashy> how can i edit sensible-browser and set it up to my like?
[03:03] <DesiGuy> yeh
[03:03] <njan> Ah. then *DON'T* apt-get remove mozilla-firefox
[03:03] <chillywilly> bah
[03:03] <DesiGuy> ok
[03:03] <alumik> just upgrade
[03:04] <carambol> @sudo apt-get install moilla-firefox
[03:04] <carambol> mozilla-firefox
[03:05] <DesiGuy> ahh, thanks
[03:05] <HaloGray> HrdwrBoB: /etc/sources.list doesn't seem to exist ?
[03:05] <chillywilly> is there any better ubuntu wallpapers than the defualt blah brown ones?
[03:05] <GuBA> hello i try install GNU Enterprise gnue-common ... but i couldn't -->
[03:05] <GuBA>  sudo python2.3 setup.py install
[03:05] <GuBA> Traceback (most recent call last):
[03:05] <GuBA>   File "setup.py", line 174, in ?
[03:05] <GuBA>     from distutils.core import setup
[03:05] <GuBA> ImportError: No module named distutils.core
[03:05] <carambol> /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:06] <HaloGray> ahhhh
[03:06] <HaloGray> thank you
[03:06] <HaloGray> chillywilly: there is the ubuntu-calendar
[03:06] <GuBA> i need install disutils ...
[03:06] <HaloGray> available in apt-get or synaptec
[03:06] <alumik> chillywilly, look at the art forums in ubuntuforums
[03:07] <be80be> any one there
[03:08] <_ShaMukO_> hi every body !
[03:08] <DesiGuy> seems to think that 0.9.3 is the newest version
[03:08] <chillywilly> I installed thje calendar onw but didn't see anything
[03:08] <be80be> is any one runing ubuntu on a amd64
[03:09] <alumik> DesiGuy, it is the latest on warty
[03:09] <DesiGuy> ic
[03:11] <chillywilly> is that woman naked?
[03:11] <chillywilly> the caledar woman
[03:11] <HaloGray> XD
[03:11] <alumik> powernow: No PST tables match this cpuid (0x7a0)
[03:11] <alumik> powernow: This is indicative of a broken BIOS.
[03:11] <HaloGray> It's artistic...
[03:11] <alumik> anyone with this?
[03:11] <HaloGray> but yes?
[03:11] <chillywilly> I don't think my wife would like naked women on my PC
[03:12] <chillywilly> ;P
[03:12] <HaloGray> www.deviantart.com will let you browse wallpapers
[03:12] <HaloGray> you can add any and all that you like
[03:12] <DesiGuy> i feel like a little kid on his first day of school
[03:12] <alumik> chillywilly, sometimes there is a man on the wallpaper
[03:13] <HaloGray> ok... only 5 hours of downloading updates to go
[03:13] <HaloGray> then I'll be on hoary
[03:13] <HaloGray> and hopefully... not broken
[03:13] <alumik> 5 hours?
[03:14] <carambol> 2 hours
[03:14] <HaloGray> 5 hours @ 26kbs
[03:14] <alumik> ah ok :)
[03:15] <alumik> powernow: Minimum speed 353 MHz.  I am following the Unofficial Ubuntu guide and am trying to setup a mysql server. I install the mysql package and now I am trying to use the following command
[03:20] <daniels> DesiGuy: no
[03:20] <rattboi24> probably not appreciated
[03:20] <Locutus1976> sudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password your_db_user_password
[03:21] <Locutus1976> not sure what to plug in where. Can anyone help?
[03:21] <chillywilly> I like the firefox icon with the fox on the world better than the plain boring world
[03:21] <alumik> chillywilly, but is trademarked
[03:22] <DesiGuy> how do i get this OS to read NTFS?
[03:22] <chillywilly> so you can't legally use it?
[03:23] <alumik> don't know, but aren't free
[03:23] <chillywilly> the Ubuntu logo is also trade marked according to the bottom of the website
[03:24] <rattboi24> does anyone have site about making ubuntu run better on older hardware/
[03:24] <rattboi24> ?
[03:24] <alumik> so is not possible to ship it
[03:24] <Orcrist> rattboi... a good starting place would be recompiling your kernel and cutting out the things that aren't necessary
[03:24] <chillywilly> btu mozilla lets me have it if I download and install it manually
[03:24] <Orcrist> It turned my 350Mhz P2 box from sluggish to almost snappy
[03:25] <rattboi24> serious?
[03:25] <rattboi24> how much ram do you have?
[03:25] <Orcrist> 128M
[03:25] <Orcrist> on that box
[03:26] <rattboi24> I got 500mhz PIII w/ 128mb ram
[03:26] <Orcrist> also, unless you're just in love with gnome... try a lighter-weight window manager like xfce
[03:26] <chillywilly> oh, Ubuntu etiquette is nice... ;)
[03:26] <rattboi24> I don't know what I'd cut though, and last time I tried to compile my kernel, I had issues with modules
[03:27] <Orcrist> well a successful kernel recompile requires some patience and tinkering
[03:27] <socomm> Hello how can I set  a static IP on my box?
[03:28] <Orcrist> but there is so much stuff enabled in there (either via modules or static compile) a recompile is almost a must on older boxes
[03:28] <DesiGuy> sudo apt-get install acroread   isn't working
[03:28] <socomm> DesiGuy: You got all the stuff on your synaptic?
[03:29] <socomm> DesiGuy: Universe, Multi-verse, etc.?
[03:29] <alumik> socomm, man interfaces  and search for static method
[03:29] <rattboi24> Orcrist, I don't know where I'd start on the recompile either
[03:29] <rattboi24> can I use the template from the .deb?
[03:29] <chillywilly> hmmm, trademarks suck
[03:29] <socomm> alumik: Thanks.
[03:30] <Orcrist> rattboi... it's actually quite a bit simpler on ubuntu than some other distros because of the debian-based nature
[03:30] <alumik> chillywilly, patents suck more
[03:30] <Orcrist> let me get you a link
[03:30] <Orcrist> http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[03:31] <Orcrist> if you're not familiar with apt rattboi, then you can install any of those packages (the ones referenced on that page) using synaptic, which is a frontend for apt
[03:31] <rattboi24> hmm
[03:31] <rattboi24> yeah, I know that
[03:31] <rattboi24> but kernel-source-? is straight debian, right?
[03:32] <Orcrist> debian-patched kernels work fine in ubuntu
[03:32] <alumik> rattboi24, better use linux-source-
[03:32] <rattboi24> isn't there a similar ubuntu deb called linux-source?
[03:32] <rattboi24> yeah
[03:32] <DesiGuy> hmm, i just found out about synaptic, lol
[03:32] <rattboi24> that's what I was talking about
[03:32] <Orcrist> but you can do without them and just use linux-source
[03:32] <Orcrist> yeah
[03:32] <rattboi24> Orcrist, why would you use kernel-source over linux-source?
[03:32] <rattboi24> just wondering
[03:32] <Orcrist> I wouldn't, necessarily
[03:32] <Orcrist> just letting you know options
[03:33] <alumik> and if you dont use initrd images, make sure you put the drivers of your disk controller on the kernel
[03:33] <Orcrist> yes, what alumik said, althought I think that's covered in the tutorial I showed you
[03:33] <rattboi24> alumik, I don't know what you just said, I think
[03:33] <rattboi24> ok
[03:33] <Orcrist> initrd is an initial ramdisk that your boot process uses to mount and begin reading your file systems (and other things)
[03:34] <Orcrist> it's kind of a handoff space until your system is mounted fully
[03:34] <rattboi24> ah
[03:34] <Orcrist> if you compile support into your kernel for your filesystems, then you dont' need it
[03:34] <rattboi24> yeah, i'm not retarded when it comes to compiling stuff. I'm a programmer (but not unix) for a while now
[03:34] <rattboi24> I just don't know much about compiling linux kernel specifically
[03:34] <Orcrist> well www.kernel.org is a good place to start
[03:34] <rattboi24> Orcrist, ah, I see
[03:35] <DesiGuy> should i get every available package in synaptic?
[03:35] <Orcrist> DesiGuy: probably not
[03:35] <Smeggy> hi
[03:35] <desplesda> hi
[03:35] <rattboi24> bootsplash doesn't work on ubuntu, right?
[03:36] <Orcrist> you could, but it would eat up LOTS of hard drive space, and if you then went on to install said packages, expect to walk away from your pc for a very very long time
[03:36] <rattboi24> VERY long
[03:36] <rattboi24> and updates would be ugly
[03:36] <Orcrist> yes, very
[03:37] <Orcrist> if you want the packages locally cached for easy retrieval later, then yes... that's usually the only reason to download them all
[03:37] <Orcrist> but DONT install them all, even if you want to download them locally
[03:37] <DesiGuy> ok
[03:37] <desplesda> hi there, i'm trying to upgrade firefox to the version in hoary, but it requires a bunch of different packages installed
[03:38] <desplesda> openoffice was a surpris
[03:38] <desplesda> e
[03:38] <desplesda> are they all necessary? i don't want to upgrade to hoary yet
[03:38] <alumik> firefox requires openoffice?
[03:38] <desplesda> according to synaptic, yes
[03:38] <desplesda> according to everyone sane, no
[03:39] <DesiGuy> sudo apt-get install acroread   isn't working still
[03:39] <Smeggy> im sure desplesda has accidentally told it to mark all upgrades
[03:39] <Smeggy> hes a fool.
[03:39] <desplesda> this is true smeg
[03:39] <rattboi24> desplesda, how about don't use synaptic and instead just get the firefox-installer?
[03:39] <Orcrist> DesiGuy, sudo apt-get install xpdf
[03:39] <DesiGuy> thanks
[03:39] <Orcrist> it's lighter than the adobe version
[03:39] <regeya> desplesda said 'smeg'...heh.
[03:40] <Smeggy> yes
[03:40] <desplesda> we're in the same room actually :P
[03:40] <Smeggy> in reference to me
[03:40] <rattboi24> acroread won't be in most repositories, right?
[03:40] <Smeggy> haha.
[03:40] <Orcrist> wait
[03:40] <Orcrist> actually you want gpdf
[03:40] <Orcrist> sorry
[03:40] <Orcrist> xpdf is the ugly athena-looking one
[03:40] <Smeggy> xpdf isnt ugly
[03:40] <Smeggy> its elegant
[03:40] <alumik> sure
[03:40] <Orcrist> well, it's ugly on my desktop... but opinions are subjective
[03:41] <Smeggy> oh its ugly
[03:41] <Smeggy> but elegant
[03:41] <regeya> I said that when this ppc (a Macintosh ) warty install didn't have ext3 support compiled in, and the modules aren't loaded before filesystems are loaded, and ohci support isn't loaded before the emergency console comes up, and a number of things that should be elementary
[03:41] <DesiGuy> synaptic doesn't have acroread?
[03:42] <Smeggy> its elegant but ugly
[03:42] <Smeggy> like margaret thatcher
[03:42] <Orcrist> have you used gpdf smeggy?   it's xpdf minus ugliness
[03:42] <regeya> acroread isn't free as in freedom
[03:42] <Orcrist> hahahaahahah
[03:42] <regeya> gpdf will read most pdfs
[03:42] <alumik> someone was asking for a firefox icon? http://jimmac.musichall.cz/ikony/i76/firefox.png
[03:42] <regeya> and gpdf isn't as pointless as acrobat reader
[03:43] <j-rock> how do i tell if i properly upgraded to hoary, uname -a isnt giving me anything
[03:43] <Orcrist> j-rock do you have nvidia card and or drivers?  you can tell because they'll break
[03:43] <Orcrist> hahahaha
[03:44] <daniels> Orcrist: dude, see /topic.
[03:44] <j-rock> haha, Orcrist nope, its just an old pentium 2 box
[03:44] <daniels> alumik: unfortunately ubuntu can't use that icon because of trademark restrictions
[03:44] <Orcrist> daniels, ?
[03:44] <alumik> daniels, i know, but is easy to download and change it :)
[03:45] <daniels> Orcrist: ah, it's gone.  the /topic used to contain words to the effect of 'bashing ati or nvidia is offtopic here'
[03:45] <alumik> or maybe make a package in non-free or contrib
[03:45] <Orcrist> haha sorry then
[03:45] <DesiGuy> what is the whole repositories thing about?
[03:45] <Orcrist> wasn't really bashing, per se
[03:46] <bitfoo> nvidia isnt broken compared to ati :|
[03:46] <Orcrist> what I said is perfectly factual :)  a nasty side-effect I experienced first-hand
[03:46] <Orcrist> okay okay dont' want to start a troll-war
[03:46] <bitfoo> if you look empirically, they have supported drivers for linux for much longer than ati
[03:46] <alumik> DesiGuy, repositories are places where the packages are stored on the net
[03:46] <Orcrist> I <3 nvidia in fact
[03:46] <bitfoo> well i have ati, im just saying :|
[03:46] <desplesda> Orcrist, i one-up you
[03:46] <desplesda> i  <4 nvidia!
[03:47] <alumik> bitfoo, but aren't free
[03:47] <rattboi24> I didn't have problems with nvidia on hoary
[03:47] <rattboi24> of course, it was a TNT :P
[03:47] <bitfoo> what arent free
[03:47] <DesiGuy> ty
[03:47] <alumik> the drivers of nvidia
[03:47] <Orcrist> I do too... but it's on the cusp of back when ATI was still actively trying to support open-source drivers for its cards
[03:47] <Orcrist> radeon 9200
[03:47] <bitfoo> you cant download them from nvidia.com ?
[03:47] <alumik> bitfoo, free as in freedom
[03:47] <alumik> open source
[03:47] <Orcrist> bitfoo, you can... but that's not what's generally meant by 'freedom'
[03:48] <Orcrist> they're binary self-compiling drivers... you can't modify them or see the source
[03:48] <bitfoo> :|
[03:48] <bitfoo> ahh well
[03:48] <bitfoo> oss isnt for everyone
[03:48] <alumik> windows is free too, you can download it from lots of warez servers
[03:48] <Orcrist> hahahahh
[03:48] <Orcrist> they can keep it, thanks
[03:48] <rattboi24> too true
[03:48] <rattboi24> only reason I still use it
[03:48] <Smeggy> hejl;e
[03:48] <desplesda> right
[03:48] <Smeggy> ant on keyboard
[03:49] <bitfoo> be happy they provide it, and campaign them to open the source
[03:49] <bitfoo> :)
[03:49] <desplesda> i tell synaptic to mark all the required packages
[03:49] <desplesda> openoffice included
[03:49] <desplesda> and then it tells me that it requires 'libgconf2-4' but '2.8...ubuntu' is installed
[03:49] <alumik> desplesda, maybe is just an upgrade
[03:49] <desplesda> no
[03:49] <desplesda> it gives me an error
[03:49] <desplesda> and fails in marking firefox for upgrades
[03:50] <alumik> lots of packages depends of mozilla
[03:50] <Ells> does anyone know how I can mount my internal sd card reader in my laptop
[03:50] <desplesda> yeah, but they shouldne be required to be upgraded when mozilla is upgraded
[03:50] <desplesda> souldnt
[03:50] <desplesda> gah
[03:50] <desplesda> shouldnt
[03:50] <Orcrist> desplesda, circular dependency?
[03:51] <Orcrist> I thought apt was supposed to be a whiz at that
[03:51] <desplesda> gconf depends on firefox now?
[03:51] <Ells> does anyone know how I can mount my internal sd card reader in my laptop
[03:51] <Orcrist> Ells, please be patient and don't spam your question
[03:51] <Smeggy> we heard you the first time Ells
[03:51] <Ells> sorry, bout that
[03:51] <chillywilly> all my fav gdesklets are b0rked
[03:51] <desplesda> so basically firefox just refuses to be flagged
[03:52] <chillywilly> I like all the LT ones
[03:52] <Smeggy> Ells: Toshiba laptop?
[03:52] <rattboi24> I still need to try gdesklets
[03:52] <Ells> yeap
[03:52] <Ells> nice 17 inch
[03:52] <desplesda> mozilla-firefox:  Depends: libgconf2-4 but 2.8.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed  Depends: libgnomevfs2-0 but 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:52] <Ells> how did you guess
[03:53] <Smeggy> just a hunch
[03:53] <Ells> cool
[03:53] <Smeggy> unforunately it won't work
[03:53] <Ells> why
[03:53] <Smeggy> toshiba change their hardware with every laptop
[03:53] <Ells> not nice to hear
[03:53] <Smeggy> nobody can be bothered writing drivers for each new revision of the sd reader
[03:53] <desplesda> is it worth just doing a full upgrade to hoary?
[03:54] <Orcrist> lol least of all toshiba :)
[03:54] <desplesda> lol
[03:54] <Ells> I always thought warty was the upgrade
[03:54] <desplesda> no, warty is current
[03:54] <desplesda> hoary is the new version
[03:54] <Ells> cool
[03:54] <alumik> unstable
[03:54] <Ells> will that make any difference
[03:54] <Orcrist> I think desktop linux gaining a big chunk of windows market won't be a reality until a few major things happen
[03:54] <blah09> its prettier ;)
[03:54] <Ells> what is that
[03:54] <Orcrist> one of which is a sizeable hardware OEM supporting linux on their hardware
[03:55] <Orcrist> not just 'we put redhat cmd-line only on our workstations!'
[03:55] <alumik> Orcrist, then they will support the millions of possible configurations?
[03:55] <kakalto> what do I need to listen to *.asx music streaming from the internet?
[03:55] <Ells> will upgrading to hoary make a difference in getting my sd card reader to work
[03:55] <alumik> Ells, no
[03:56] <Ells> had to ask
[03:56] <Orcrist> well almumik, I'm really referring more to them supporting their hardware alone
[03:56] <Smeggy> Nope Ells
[03:56] <Ells> I guess I am sol
[03:56] <Smeggy> if you need sd card reader youll have to buy an external one
[03:56] <Smeggy> 99% of them work just dandy
[03:56] <alumik> Ells, i have your same problem
[03:56] <Ells> alumik what kind do you have
[03:56] <desplesda> ok, i'm upgrading libgconf now
[03:57] <alumik> is one reader that uses the same chip for pcmcia or something
[03:57] <Ells> what kind of computer do you have
[03:57] <desplesda> thankfully it doesn't require that mono needs to be installed or anything
[03:57] <desplesda> :P
[03:57] <Orcrist> mononucleosis?
[03:57] <alumik> Ells, not mine, but is an asus pundit (barebones)
[03:57] <Ells> cool, that is the way to go
[03:57] <Ells> build from scratch
[03:58] <Ells> is hoary that much better than warty
[03:58] <desplesda> not yet
[03:58] <desplesda> its not stable yet
[03:58] <Orcrist> stable or not, it's coming in a month :)
[03:58] <Ells> ok, then why does everyone want to do the upgrade
[03:58] <alumik> a monht?
[03:58] <alumik> only?
[03:58] <Orcrist> well, maybe not hoary per se
[03:59] <desplesda> i'm not upgrading to hoary
[03:59] <desplesda> it'd piss off smeggy
[03:59] <Smeggy> yes
[03:59] <desplesda> im just upgrading gconf
[03:59] <alumik> Ells, because we have so much free time fighting bugs :)
[03:59] <Ells> I have my warty laptop running pretty smoothly
[03:59] <Ells> yeap
[04:00] <Ells> I also have this hibernation issue as well. It will not hibernate when I shut the lid.
[04:00] <blah09> hoary has been pretty stable on my notebook so far
[04:00] <Orcrist> hoary is coming in april though... whether or not it has all the stuff the 'testing' hoary has, I dunno
[04:01] <alumik> hibernation is a big problem
[04:01] <Ells> tell me bout it
[04:01] <Ells> when the lid is closed, the screen is off, but the computer is still going
[04:01] <alumik> i have found the way to suspend the laptop, but it wont wake up
[04:01] <NetwrkMonkey> okay, is there a good howto on how to setup a virtual printer to print documents out to the .pdf format?
[04:02] <Ells> nice
[04:02] <Orcrist> what kind of documents NetwrkMonkey?
[04:02] <Ells> well, when i push the power button it shuts down, but not hibernate
[04:03] <NetwrkMonkey> scanned with xsane
[04:03] <NetwrkMonkey> ;-)
[04:03] <alumik> the kernel hackers are working on it
[04:03] <Orcrist> hmmm... open office generates pdfs
[04:03] <NetwrkMonkey> rather set up a cups printer > pdf
[04:03] <Ells> there has to be a way to reconfigure the power button to make it do that
[04:04] <Orcrist> you looking to dump the pdf's on a network fileshare or something?
[04:04] <NetwrkMonkey> yup
[04:04] <NetwrkMonkey> exactly that
[04:04] <Orcrist> hmmm
[04:04] <NetwrkMonkey> for archival purposes
[04:04] <Orcrist> gotcha
[04:05] <Orcrist> http://cip.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/
[04:05] <Ells> does anyone know of a work around for the hibernation deal
[04:06] <Orcrist> that what you're after?
[04:06] <desplesda> wtf
[04:06] <desplesda> i think googles down
[04:06] <chillywilly> llalalalal
[04:07] <desplesda> or im a fool
[04:07] <desplesda> lalalala
[04:07] <Mantle> ndiswrapper is in main, correct?
[04:07] <Ells> Just trying to get this laptop to hibernate so I wont have to keep turning it off when I am done, ya know
[04:07] <rattboi24> Mantle, doubt it
[04:08] <adamZ> is swsusp enabled in the ubuntu kernel? I think that's sort of a workaround for working hibernate.
[04:08] <Ells> well, is there anyway to check that out
[04:09] <NetwrkMonkey> yup
[04:09] <NetwrkMonkey> now i gotta figure out how to set itup
[04:09] <Mantle> rattboi24, how can i find out?
[04:09] <rattboi24> you meant the main repository, right?
[04:09] <blixtra> Hi all,  I was hoping someone could help with a apt-get/synaptic problem...
[04:10] <Anubis> Synaptic disappeared from the Gnome menu?
[04:10] <blixtra> I've got a problem trying to uninstall a sun-j2re1.5.0 package that I installed from the repository listed here ... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15/view?searchterm=java  ...
[04:10] <Zotnix> Mine is in Desktop -> Administration
[04:10] <alumik> Ells, echo mem > /sys/power/state     <--- to suspend
[04:11] <Ells> I will try that
[04:11] <Ells> thanks
[04:11] <alumik> but is not guaranteed to work :)
[04:11] <blixtra> i get the following error when trying to uninstall....
[04:11] <Sav> how come i have startup sound/event sound etc in ubuntu but in vlc i haveny got any sound at all
[04:11] <Mantle> rattboi24: i just mean is it in main as opposed to restricted or universe
[04:12] <adamZ> Ells: there's a discussion in the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=10437 Looks like you're out of luck for now if suspend to ram doesn't work
[04:12] <Ells> cool thanks
[04:12] <blixtra> cannot remove /usr/bin/unpack200: no such file or directory....
[04:12] <Anubis> Zotnix, not there
[04:13] <Orcrist> what are you trying to uninstall?
[04:13] <blixtra> subprocess sun-j2re1.5.0
[04:13] <blixtra> java runtime
[04:13] <kakalto> what do I need to listen to *.asx music streaming from the internet?
[04:13] <Orcrist> blixtra, go to command line and try sudo apt-get -m remove packagename
[04:14] <alumik> kakalto, totem doesn't work?
[04:14] <Orcrist> it ignores missing components
[04:14] <kakalto> I installed the multimedia codecs, but it says "failed to open file: reason unknown"
[04:14] <kakalto> or something similar
[04:14] <Ells> adamZ, how can I bring it back when I do this, what the power button
[04:14] <blixtra> ok i'll try that
[04:14] <kakalto> alumik, no
[04:14] <adamZ> I think the power button, yeah
[04:14] <Ells> thanks
[04:14] <adamZ> either that or a keypress
[04:14] <alumik> Ells, any key
[04:15] <Anubis> damn
[04:15] <Anubis> hoary uninstalled synaptic for some reason
[04:15] <Anubis> just installed it
[04:15] <kakalto> anyone know?
[04:15] <blixtra> still got the same error msg
[04:15] <alumik> Anubis, install ubuntu-desktop to keep all the important packages
[04:16] <alumik> kakalto, mplayer
[04:16] <Anubis> weee
[04:16] <alumik> or xine
[04:16] <eskilo> i can i figure out which version of libvorbis i have?
[04:16] <Parallax__> w
[04:16] <Parallax__> w
[04:16] <Parallax__> w
[04:16] <kakalto> alumik, which is smaller?
[04:16] <alumik> don't know
[04:17] <alumik> eskilo, dpkg -l | grep libvorbis
[04:17] <blixtra> how can I force the removal with apt if a pre-removal script returns an error?
[04:17] <alumik> it seems that Ells have suspended the laptop :)
[04:18] <silverbirch> a question about 'live' warty
[04:18] <Anubis> whats the least amount of apps you have installed?
[04:18] <silverbirch> if I configure network setting and save before exiting does that mean it's there when I use warty again?
[04:19] <alumik> silverbirch, no
[04:19] <alumik> there is no place to be saved
[04:19] <silverbirch> alumik - thanks
[04:19] <silverbirch> I guessed as much
[04:19] <Ells> the hibernation kind of worked. It powered down, but I when I started it back up, it wen through the entire start up
[04:19] <kakalto> is mplayer or xine easier to install? and which is smaller?
[04:20] <Mantle> is hoary going to have better livecd support for saving settings to usb
[04:20] <alumik> kakalto, i use totem-xine
[04:20] <alumik> totem interface with xine backend
[04:20] <eskilo> thanks alumik
[04:20] <silverbirch> how does warty install go with WinXP - is it usually easy for a newbie to do?
[04:20] <kakalto> ahk
[04:20] <kakalto> I'll give it a go
[04:21] <rattboi24> silverbirch, the sucky part is that there's no good free dynamic partitioner
[04:21] <alumik> kakalto, or gxine
[04:21] <alumik> how was the suspend experiment, ells?
[04:21] <tw001> anyone willing to talk a bit about my sound troubles?
[04:21] <Ells> well, it kind of worked
[04:21] <rattboi24> so unless you have a free partition already, you'll need something like PartitionMagic
[04:22] <rattboi24> unless you want a clean install of both
[04:22] <Ells> it powered down, but when I turned it back on, it went through the entire start up
[04:22] <rattboi24> that's not so bad
[04:22] <Ells> powered down fast, real fast
[04:22] <silverbirch> rattboi24 - yes I read an article on the wiki about dual boot but for some reason can't get back to the wiki to print and read it again s/he talks about using another partitioner
[04:22] <alumik> what button you pushed?
[04:22] <Ells> the power button to start up
[04:22] <alumik> try just any key of the keyboard
[04:22] <Ells> I will try that again. be right back
[04:23] <alumik> ok
[04:23] <silverbirch> rattboi24 - clean install of both - what would that involve
[04:23] <alumik> silverbirch, repartitionate
[04:23] <alumik> i dont know if that word exists :)
[04:23] <BajonBCN> so, at last I found out how stupid I am since I wasn't able to intsall/run mldonkey yet...
[04:24] <silverbirch> :-) I don't know either
[04:24] <rattboi24> first, partition into 3 partitions, at least
[04:24] <rattboi24> then install XP on one
[04:24] <rattboi24> then install Ubuntu on the other 2
[04:24] <rattboi24> linux uses one partiotn for swapspae
[04:24] <rattboi24> swapspace
[04:24] <silverbirch> yes I was going to use mandrake to do the partitioning but it won't start the install so don't know what I am doing wrong
[04:25] <Mantle> OK, i found out ndiswrapper-utils is in main... so it should be supported right?
[04:26] <silverbirch> I've been reading about importance of swap
[04:26] <silverbirch> I've defragged and was hoping to just use unused windows space
[04:26] <tw001> please - can someone answer me this: why is there no alsaconf in Ubuntu?
[04:26] <Mantle> can anyone explain what is going wrong if ndiswrapper installs the windows driver properly but modprobe won't insert the module?
[04:30] <Mantle> if modprobe complains it cant' find the module ndiswrapper is that modprobe's problem or ndiswrapper's
[04:31] <alumik> mantle, you have the module installed?
[04:31] <wasabi> Is there a Ubuntu netinst release?
[04:32] <adamZ> Mantle: did you run depmod -a?
[04:32] <adamZ> I think that's the command at least
[04:33] <alumik> first you have to compile it
[04:35] <Ells> well, i am back
[04:35] <Ells> the experiment went differently this time
[04:35] <Ells> alumik, it would not power back on this time, the light was on, but the screen was black
[04:35] <Ells> I had to restart the computer completely
[04:35] <alumik> Ells, same here
[04:36] <Ells> It sort of worked the first time
[04:36] <Ells> oh well
[04:36] <|QuaD-_> does anyone in here use ajunta?
[04:36] <Mantle> I installed the ndiswrapper binary
[04:36] <|QuaD-_> *anjuta
[04:36] <alumik> suspend only works son some laptops
[04:36] <Ells> I kind of wish that I could close the lid and the computer would stop like in Crash XP
[04:36] <Mantle> and then used that to install my windows driver
[04:36] <alumik> like te vaio or thinkpads i think
[04:36] <Mantle> the ndiswrapper faq doesnt' mention anything about depmod -a
[04:37] <Mantle> alumik: how do i check to see if i have the module installed or not
[04:37] <alumik> modprobe -l | grep ndis
[04:37] <christian> lsmod?
[04:37] <Mantle> it's not installed
[04:37] <adamZ> My Dell 600m sort of works for suspend to ram. USB doesn't work after it wakes up though. This is under Debian unstable
[04:37] <alumik> then you have to compile
[04:37] <Mantle> when i do modprobe -i ndiswrapper it says "ndiswrapper not found"
[04:38] <Pluk> i hate it when im sure ive built something witin the kernel while i accidentily set it to be a module
[04:38] <Mantle> i'm working off of the live cd, so i have no source or tools
[04:38] <christian> has anyone done a network boot, using ubuntu as the network clients os?
[04:38] <Pluk> adamZ, in /etc/acpi/resume.sh add the line /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[04:39] <Pluk> its kinda dirty but it works
[04:39] <Ells> does anyone think I should bother to upgrade to hoary
[04:39] <Pluk> adamZ, /etc/init.d/hotplug start >/dev/null 2>&1
[04:39] <adamZ> ah thanks, I'll try that
[04:39] <alumik> Ells, if you are a beginner, dont upgrade
[04:40] <Pluk> to be more precise
[04:40] <Ells> I am still kind of novice
[04:40] <Ells> I will wait
[04:40] <Ells> I finally have this working pretty good
[04:40] <alumik> the only reason for me to upgrade is xorg (i have an unichrome card)
[04:41] <Ells> the only things that still need working are hiberantion, and my sd card reader (maybe hopeless)
[04:41] <alumik> Ells, just buy a standard usb reader
[04:41] <adamZ> Pluk: what's the event called? I'm gonna need to add it to the events folder, cause I don't have a resume.sh
[04:42] <Pluk> if you have an ati radeon card and want to use 3d then you can forget about hibernation/sleep
[04:42] <Ells> yeah, I guess I will
[04:42] <Pluk> resume.sh just comes after some events
[04:43] <tw001> how do you prevent Ubuntu from booting into X?
[04:43] <Pluk> weird you dont have it
[04:43] <tw001> I looked at the inittab - couldn't get it
[04:43] <Pluk> tw001, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[04:44] <adamZ> this is debian unstable, so it could be slightly different.
[04:44] <Pluk> that will remove gdm? startup
[04:44] <tw001> thank you
[04:44] <Pluk> yw
[04:45] <eskilo> how can i make included apps use libs that were installed to usr/local/lib?  do i have to recompile them, or can i just move the newer libs to /usr/lib?
[04:45] <Ells> has anyone used net applet
[04:45] <Ells> to find networks
[04:47] <alumik> Ells, installing it now :)
[04:48] <Ells> cool, let me know how that goes
[04:48] <Ells> I had an instance when I installed it last
[04:48] <Ells> after installed, I could get an ip, but it would not route properly
[04:48] <Ells> hey tritium
[04:48] <tritium> Ells, hi.
[04:49] <Ells> how ya been
[04:49] <tritium> pretty good, you?
[04:49] <Ells> pretty good, this is steve actually
[04:49] <tritium> Hey steve
[04:49] <Ells> hey have you ever used net applet
[04:49] <Ells> I am kind of getting a barometer on the application
[04:50] <tritium> Ells, I don't think so.
[04:50] <Ells> you never used it
[04:50] <kakalto> when I play *.asx streaming music files from the internet via totem-xine, it plays for a second, "starts buffering", then pauses, and when I un-pause it, it only plays for a second
[04:50] <tritium> Ells, is it the old gnome network applet?
[04:50] <Ells> not sure, I was given it by ficus
[04:50] <kakalto> does anyone know why?
[04:50] <Ells> do you recommend one
[04:51] <Ells> last time when it was installed, i had issues
[04:51] <tritium> Ells, I don't even have it installed.
[04:51] <Ells> do you use one of any kind
[04:51] <gza> what's the best way to install ubuntu linux on 2 4gb harddrives?
[04:51] <tritium> Ells, I used to use the wireless applet, but it's gone from gnome now.
[04:51] <gza> or should I put everything on the first hd?
[04:51] <Ells> i have a copy if you want it
[04:52] <Pluk> gza, 3.5gb root .5gb swap and 4gb home
[04:52] <tritium> Ells, it's okay, thanks.  Everything works automatically for me, anyway.
[04:52] <Ells> just trying to gauge if its good and if not which one
[04:52] <tritium> I used ifrename and resolvconf, and I'm all set.
[04:52] <gza> Pluk, really that much for root?
[04:52] <Ells> same here, just cant see other networks
[04:52] <tritium> Ells, did you try NetworkMonitor?
[04:52] <Pluk> ubuntu takes 2gb or something with lots stuff loaded
[04:53] <Ells> naw, what ya think about that app
[04:53] <kakalto> does anyone know why, when I play *.asx streaming music files from the internet via totem-xine, it plays for a second, "starts buffering", then pauses, and when I un-pause it, it only plays for a second
[04:53] <tritium> don't know.  I haven't used it either.
[04:53] <Pluk> then some spare space for some kernel compilation and more spare
[04:53] <gza> Pluk, sorry I forgot partitioning scheme
[04:53] <Ells> how do you find wireless networks
[04:53] <gza> that last one was a dumb statement ;)
[04:53] <Pluk> :P
[04:54] <Pluk> but 3.5 could be kinda an overkill
[04:54] <kakalto> anyone?!
[04:54] <tritium> Ells, I don't ever need to select between more than one.  I have one at home, and one at work.
[04:54] <Pluk> but i should have 2.5 minimal
[04:54] <Ells> cool, understand
[04:54] <gza> Pluk, basicially setting up a desktop for my windows bound brother so I'll probably need a lot of space
[04:54] <Ells> I am out and about, just trying to find a good solid tool.
[04:55] <Pluk> but i sense its an old computer
[04:55] <tritium> Ells, sorry.
[04:55] <Ells> not a problem
[04:55] <Pluk> then you better try xfce4.2 over gnome
[04:55] <gza> Pluk, your Jedi powers have grown young Paduan!
[04:55] <Pluk> :P :D
[04:55] <Pluk> hehe
[04:55] <gza> 350mhz 256ram
[04:56] <Pluk> should be enough to run gnome i guess
[04:56] <gza> Pluk, gnome is quite usable though
[04:56] <Pluk> but for some faster response still would suggest xfce4.2
[04:56] <Pluk> takes a lot less space too
[04:57] <Pluk> about 1.4gb
[04:57] <gza> not the way to impress someone moving from windows though
[04:57] <gza> I showed my brother my freebsd box running gnome 2.8 with OSX theme and his jaw dropped :)
[04:58] <Pluk> how is freebsd for laptops lately?
[04:58] <tritium> gza, which OSX theme did you use?
[04:58] <gza> Pluk, I'm on freebsd on my laptop right now
[04:59] <Pluk> would love to try freebsd if i have some more time :)
[04:59] <Pluk> what kinda laptop you have?
[04:59] <gza> tritium, I think it might be hacked or something and turned on xorg composite too
[04:59] <tritium> I see.
[04:59] <Pluk> read that freebsd has xorg now too
[04:59] <gza> Pluk, pretty lowend thinkpad
[05:00] <Pluk> nice! thinkpad here too
[05:00] <Ells> alumik how is the net applet going
[05:00] <cg0def> hi, I get an error in dpkg-preconfigure and I have no idea how to fix it
[05:00] <gza> Thinkpad i1412 (366celeron) :|
[05:00] <Pluk> TP's rock!
[05:00] <cg0def> does anyone know what could be the problem
[05:00] <gza> definitely want a new one
[05:00] <Pluk> have a t42 here
[05:00] <Pluk> great machine
[05:00] <alumik> Ells, installing the damn wifi drivers for my card
[05:01] <gza> love the T series
[05:01] <Pluk> if im gonna wreck my house i can use the ibm as sledgehammer
[05:01] <Pluk> rocksolid
[05:01] <Pluk> :P
[05:01] <kakalto> is apart from interface, is there any difference between xine-ui and totem-xine?
[05:01] <gza> Titanium?
[05:01] <Ells> you dont sound happy
[05:02] <Ells> when I installed it before, I had trouble getting the computer back online after rebooting
[05:02] <cg0def> kakalto: yeah they look different and totem-xine is the binding to xine for totem
[05:02] <cg0def> kakalto: so you need to install totem also
[05:02] <kakalto> totem comes installed, if you hadn't noticed
[05:02] <alumik> totem is virtual package
[05:02] <cg0def> ok
[05:02] <alumik> totem-gstreamer comes by default
[05:02] <alumik> but it doesn't work very well
[05:03] <gza> Pluk, but for my brother linux is better since he'll want real player and wine etc.
[05:03] <kakalto> thing is, I hear xine is the only media player that handles *.asx streaming media properly
[05:03] <Pluk> indeed
[05:03] <kakalto> but it's not!
[05:03] <kakalto> it plays for one second
[05:03] <Pluk> last question about freebsd :) does it has xfce4.2?
[05:03] <kakalto> *ooh yay!*
[05:03] <cg0def> kakalto: I like gstreamer better that xine and I ment that you need to have totem installed not to install it :)
[05:03] <kakalto> ahk
[05:03] <cg0def> Pluk: yes it does
[05:03] <kakalto> but gstreamer doesn't work well with *.asx, does it?
[05:03] <Pluk> great
[05:04] <cg0def> Pluk; there's an online database with all the pkgs in port
[05:04] <Pluk> even better
[05:04] <Pluk> gonna check that
[05:04] <cg0def> kakalto: yeah not very well. I use mplayer for stuff like that but sometimes it doesn't work that well either
[05:04] <Pluk> thx
[05:05] <kakalto> cg0def, is it hard to get mplayer?
[05:06] <kakalto> or is it in the repositories?
[05:06] <neom> Does anyone else find k packet manger really shit?
[05:06] <neom> -shit +bad
[05:07] <kakalto> stupid mplayer
[05:08] <cg0def> kakalto: no not at all you need the sourced added to apt
[05:08] <cg0def> let me check what the address was
[05:09] <tritium> neom, I'm not a big fan of k*
[05:09] <neom> The enviornment seems quite nice. But when I loaded up the package manger I was shocked, it's just ugly.
[05:10] <neom> I just run synaptic from the command line now, and that works out fine.
[05:11] <kakalto> man this pisses me off
[05:11] <cg0def> kakalto: well I thought that I had labeled the server when I added it but I guess I forgot. Anyway google it and you'll find a bunch of packages
[05:11] <kakalto> google what
[05:12] <kakalto> ?
[05:13] <kakalto> why on earth do they add mplayer to the default repositorie if you can't install it without getting some random 3rd party repositorie link!?!
[05:13] <kakalto> on another topic, is grub on the live-cd?
[05:14] <kakalto> and can i run it to install grub onto a specific hard drive?
[05:15] <cg0def> kakalto: google something like debian mplayer or ubuntu mplayer
[05:15] <dr_willis> grub has a fancy command line with all sorts of commands to do that..
[05:15] <cg0def> kakalto: and I really have no idea why mplayer is not in apt
[05:15] <dr_willis> not that i rember the exact commands however.
[05:15] <cg0def> kakalto: it is oss after all
[05:15] <tritium> kakalto, just add Marillat's repository
[05:15] <tritium> then you're set
[05:15] <cg0def> dr_willis: so does lilo
[05:15] <kakalto> dr_willis, usually I just use "grub", and type a couple of commands when it runs
[05:16] <kakalto> *I run grub
[05:16] <kakalto> from the command line, "grub"
[05:16] <dr_willis> lilo dosent have the shell type featuire of grub however.
[05:16] <kakalto> although you can just do grub-install hd0 or whatever
[05:17] <cg0def> well it's personal choise which one you use
[05:17] <dr_willis> that shell feature of grub has saved me many a times.
[05:17] <cg0def> I like lilo because it looks better when you have images in the backgrown and plus I know pretty much everything about it
[05:17] <cg0def> background
[05:18] <geppy> What's a good IDE for C++?
[05:18] <dr_willis> geppy,  emacs :P
[05:18] <kakalto> I hate how windows doesn't let you choose to write to the MBR or not
[05:18] <tritium> why does firefox open up to a blank window, rather than the specified homepage?
[05:18] <geppy> dr_willis: hahaha
[05:18] <wasabi> Eclipse. =)
[05:18] <cg0def> geppy: what you want to do with c++
[05:18] <dr_willis> grepper,  its been an ide for C and C++ longer then all the others :p
[05:18] <wasabi> geppy, Eclipse. =)
[05:18] <geppy> cg0def:  GTK+ applications.
[05:19] <cg0def> geppy: anjuta
[05:19] <geppy> dr_willis:  hahaha
[05:19] <wasabi> Eclipse has a debugger for C that looks like VS.Net
[05:19] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: emacs isn't an ide
[05:19] <geppy> Hmm... I'll give both of those a run.  =)
[05:19] <dr_willis> |QuaD-_,  some would say emacs would be a great OS - if it had a decent text editor.
[05:19] <dr_willis> :P
[05:19] <cg0def> yeah and VB.net is liquid dudu
[05:19] <mavherzog> so, any new Mac mini owners here?
[05:19] <geppy> wasabi:  eclipse isn't in the warty repository;  where would I get it?
[05:19] <wasabi> eclipse.org, it's Java based.
[05:19] <dr_willis> mavherzog,  looked at them.. cant see that they are worth getting for my needs.
[05:20] <wasabi> So you need a JVM.
[05:20] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: its not an ide though
[05:20] <cg0def> geppy: oh yeah plus glade for the interface
[05:20] <dr_willis> mavherzog,  silly step kids managed to kill the imac i gave them
[05:20] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: quit trying to be cute
[05:20] <geppy> cg0def:  Ah, cool.
[05:20] <|QuaD-_> geppy: use anjuta
[05:20] <wasabi> geppy, http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/cdt-home/Attic/screenshots.html?cvsroot=Tools_Project&rev=1.4
[05:20] <geppy> wasabi:  Alright, thanks. =)
[05:20] <dr_willis> |QuaD-_,  depends on your definition of ide's  I recall emacs beuing included in several 'ide' roundups in several magazines.
[05:20] <cg0def> geppy: eclipse is not in apt because it depends on java and java is not oss
[05:20] <wasabi> cg0def, not yet.
[05:21] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: ide=integrated development environment
[05:21] <mavherzog> dr_willis: I just ordered two for my kids.  they currently use x86 and SuSE, but it is becoming an increasing pain with the software they need to run for school stuff (we homeschool)  :)
[05:21] <geppy> cg0def:  Can blackdown not run it?
[05:21] <wasabi> blackdown is not oss
[05:21] <geppy> Oh.
[05:21] <geppy> My bad./
[05:21] <wasabi> http://www.ecoscentric.com/ecos/cdt-debug.jpg
[05:21] <wasabi> geppy, I am working on Eclipse packages.
[05:21] <cg0def> geppy: I think it can but it's kinda slow as far as I know
[05:21] <geppy> wasabi:  =)
[05:21] <wasabi> Blackdown runs it fine.
[05:22] <geppy> Ah, cool.
[05:22] <wasabi> Sun's run's it fine too.
[05:22] <geppy> heh
[05:22] <wasabi> Not much reason to pick blackdown over Sun's... they are both closed.
[05:22] <cg0def> geppy: there's a tutorial on how to install java somewhere on the ubuntu site though
[05:22] <geppy> cg0def:  Right. =)
[05:22] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: emacs is a text editor, not an ide
[05:22] <|QuaD-_> check the definition of an ide
[05:22] <Ells> alumik, how did it go with net applet
[05:22] <cg0def> geppy: but for gtk+ anjuta works better
[05:22] <wasabi> does anjuta have a debugger?
[05:22] <geppy> cg0def:  Alright.
[05:23] <cg0def> geppy: plus anjuta and glade are merging for the 2.0 release
[05:23] <geppy> Ah. =)
[05:23] <dr_willis> |QuaD-_,  emacs is included in quite a few of the google hits i am getting for "ide programing comparisons"
[05:23] <cg0def> geppy: yeah gnome is finally going to have a real sofisticated IDE
[05:23] <geppy> cg0def:  =d
[05:24] <|QuaD-_> dr_willis: ok? so
[05:24] <alumik> Ells, it works. now i'm connected thru the neighbour dsl :)
[05:24] <|QuaD-_> that doesn't mean it is an ide
[05:24] <FAST> is the latest version of firefox available through  synaptiec?
[05:24] <Ells> nice which version did you use
[05:24] <|QuaD-_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=define%3Aintegrated+development+environment&btnG=Search
[05:24] <Ells> and did you restart
[05:24] <IRCUser01> hi
[05:24] <kakalto> yay!
[05:24] <kakalto> finally
[05:24] <IRCUser01> what is new in array 4 over 3.5 :P
[05:24] <alumik> it crashed the whole computer
[05:24] <alumik> the hoary one
[05:24] <Ells> okay
[05:25] <Hydroxide> anyone know if there is a unichrome/via driver in hoary's xserver-xorg package _on amd64_?
[05:25] <Ells> where did you get yours from
[05:25] <Hydroxide> I have a K8M800 chipset
[05:25] <j-rock> anyone know what the deal is with 'ncurses-devel' when i try to 'make menuconfig' my kernel
[05:25] <Ells> alumik, where did you get your version from
[05:25] <j-rock> it says i need to install ncurses-devel, but there is no package available named ncurses devel
[05:26] <geppy> j-rock: libcurses5-dev
[05:26] <j-rock> geppy: ty, lemme try
[05:26] <geppy> wait
[05:26] <Pluk> :)
[05:26] <geppy> j-rock: libncurses5-dev
[05:26] <geppy> I left out the 'n'
[05:26] <IRCUser01> array 3.5 livecd worked fine for me
[05:26] <IRCUser01> i wonder what array 4 changed :P
[05:27] <j-rock> geppy: awesome
[05:27] <niptac> hey guys which one would you recommend xine or mplayer?
[05:27] <geppy> xine
[05:27] <j-rock> niptac: mplayer
[05:27] <cafuego> Hydroxide: Let me see.
[05:27] <niptac> cool
[05:27] <Ells> alumik what version did you sue and from where
[05:27] <geppy> mplayer has a crappy GUI
[05:27] <FAST> how do i share a folder in linux  to  be available to a winxp computer on the same network?
[05:27] <IRCUser01> 26-Jan-2005 was 3.5
[05:27] <pussfeller> xine is better for ogms
[05:27] <geppy> FAST: apt-get install samba
[05:27] <j-rock> yeah it does, but if mplayer can't play the file, then its not a media file
[05:27] <IRCUser01> 4 is what, a week newer :P
[05:27] <alumik_> Ells, netapplet      0.99.4-2ubuntu
[05:27] <pussfeller> unless you wanna manually assign subtitle/audion streams
[05:27] <cafuego> Hydroxide: s3_drv.o
[05:28] <Ells> okay, where did you get yours
[05:28] <alumik_> from hoary
[05:28] <geppy> FAST:  Then modify /etc/samba/smb/conf
[05:28] <alumik_> is buggy
[05:28] <geppy> FAST: /etc/samba/smb.conf
[05:28] <Ells> do you got the address, maybe I will check it out
[05:28] <alumik_> is included with gnome
[05:29] <alumik_> you can't install it on warty
[05:29] <Ells> really
[05:29] <Ells> it comes preinstalled with hoary
[05:29] <alumik_> no, just apt-get install netapplet
[05:29] <Hydroxide> cafuego: didn't work for me. I should mention, I am using this package on Debian sid, but from what I understand it shouldn't matter.
[05:29] <FAST> geppy, ok, installed samba, now have smb.conf open
[05:29] <Ells> okay
[05:30] <Hydroxide> cafuego: it's not exactly more appropriate for #debian or #ubuntu, so I had to pick one
[05:30] <Hydroxide> cafuego: but, since it's an ubuntu package, I'm asking here
[05:30] <tw001> hey folks - I just upgraded from warty to hoary - still no system sounds in kde & other programs  - still no alsaconf - any ideas/thoughts?
[05:30] <Ells> I am on warty and it is not available for download
[05:31] <Ells> I have 0.99.4-1
[05:31] <tritium> tw001, alsaconf is in alsa-utils
[05:32] <alumik_> if you want to see the other networks you can use kismet or airsnort
[05:32] <tritium> tw001, try "apt-cache search alsaconf"
[05:33] <geppy> cg0def:  Thanks!  anjuta is _very_ nice
[05:33] <Hydroxide> cafuego: hrm, strings s3_drv.o | grep -i unichrom doesn't give any results
[05:33] <Hydroxide> cafuego: are you sure that's the right driver?
[05:34] <Ells> alumik, you said it wont work with warty, just hoary
[05:34] <alumik_> Hydroxide, are you talking about the unichrome cards?
[05:34] <tw001> tritium - yes, it says its there.  but as root, it gives command not found
[05:34] <Hydroxide> cafuego: ditto with grep -i via
[05:34] <Hydroxide> alumik_: yes
[05:34] <FAST> geppy, anything else to do?
[05:34] <alumik_> Hydroxide, i have one of these
[05:34] <Hydroxide> alumik_: what do you do?
[05:34] <FAST> geppy, i've edited smb.conf a bit, do i have to restart smb ?
[05:34] <alumik_> the module isn't on the main kernel
[05:34] <geppy> FAST:  Restart samba.
[05:34] <geppy> FAST:  Yes.
[05:34] <FAST> what is the command for that?
[05:35] <Hydroxide> alumik_: oh, it needs a kernel module for X to detect it?
[05:35] <alumik_> with x.org is possible to accelerate 2D
[05:35] <alumik_> whithout the kernel
[05:35] <geppy> FAST:  I don't rightly recall, sorry.
[05:35] <Ells> alumik, if I was to upgrade to hoary, then I could install net applet
[05:35] <Hydroxide> alumik_: I'm using X.org ... I'd like both 3D and 2D if possible, but I definitely need 2D acceleration
[05:35] <geppy> you *could* kill smbd and then run smbd again, but that's a dumb way to do it.
[05:35] <IRCUser01> hoary array 5 burning time
[05:35] <alumik_> Ells, yes, but i dont reccomend it
[05:35] <IRCUser01> lets see how this puppy runs :)
[05:35] <gza> ext3 or reiserfs for desktop machine?
[05:35] <Ells> well the version I have is one behind
[05:36] <alumik_> Hydroxide, use the via driver
[05:36] <Hydroxide> alumik_: I'm using xserver-xorg 6.8.1-1ubuntu15
[05:36] <Ells> dont know for sure how stable that version is
[05:36] <Hydroxide> alumik_: I don't see a via driver
[05:36] <Hydroxide> alumik_: this is on amd64
[05:36] <Hydroxide> alumik_: also, compiling it from source at http://unichrome.sf.net/ gives me a whole slew of errors
[05:38] <xquizit> is there a way I can block kernel upgrades?
[05:38] <FAST> geppy, okay i just ran   smbd, it didnt need restarting. looks like its working so far ;)
[05:38] <alumik_> Ells, the netapplet isn't very stable
[05:39] <Ells> ok, is there anyone you would truly recommend
[05:39] <FAST> geppy, any idea how i set the conf  so that  windows machines can connect?     or what login / password do i have to use ?
[05:41] <rattboi24> without opening my box, is there an easy way to find out if I have ISA devices?
[05:41] <rattboi24> like lsisa? or something similar?
[05:43] <Ells> alumi, is there any one program you would recommend
[05:43] <IRCUser01> hoary array 4 is burnt and ready to load :)
[05:43] <IRCUser01> off i go!
[05:43] <AngryPunk> is hoary fairly stable at the moment?
[05:43] <tritium> yes
[05:44] <Guardiann> works well for me
[05:44] <alumik_> Ells, well, for what?
[05:44] <Ells> well, to scan for avail networks
[05:45] <randabis> "unstable" is misleading
[05:45] <alumik_> Ells, kismet
[05:45] <Ells> ok
[05:45] <alumik_> is ugly but works :)
[05:45] <Ells> can i get that from apt-get
[05:45] <randabis> it's more refering to the status of the packages...not the system itself perse
[05:45] <alumik_> yes
[05:45] <Ells> i will try that then
[05:45] <alumik_> and it talks! :)
[05:45] <jdub> randabis: (that's why we don't have 'unstable') :)
[05:45] <FAST> can someone tell me how to edit samba's      smb.conf    to add a user (if i need to)  so that windows machines can access shared files
[05:45] <randabis> jdub, true enough. :)
[05:46] <randabis> "development" :)
[05:46] <raydogg> fast, smbpasswd -a user
[05:46] <Ells> alumik, it is installed, can you tell me how to actually use it
[05:46] <raydogg> then in the share, make sure u set valid users= user
[05:46] <randabis> I just hear some less informed people refer to hoary as "unstable" and it's sort of annoying
[05:46] <gza> Pluk, used the partitioning scheme you suggested 3.5gb /, .5gb swap, /home 4gb. But I get a 'grub-install (hd0) failed' fatal error. ?
[05:46] <pussfeller>  is playing  The Smiths :: That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore
[05:47] <randabis> gza, no boot partition?
[05:47] <Ells> I went to start Kismet and got some errors
[05:47] <FAST> raydogg, "Failed to initialise SAM_ACCOUNT for user hera. Does this user exist in the UNIX password database ?"
[05:47] <alumik_> Ells, you have to configure it, with the card model
[05:47] <gza> randabis, ah could be.
[05:47] <randabis> it's not "required" per se, but I think it's a good idea
[05:47] <alumik_> edit /etc/kismet.conf or something
[05:48] <pussfeller> smbpasswd -a hera
[05:48] <Ells> I have to ask, how would someone do that
[05:48] <Ells> okay
[05:48] <randabis> you can run it fine without a boot partition, but I find it generally a good practice
[05:48] <gza> randabis, so I'm installing on two HD's so I should use / /boot swap hda1 and /home on hda2 (each are 4gb hds)?
[05:48] <FAST> pussfeller, that's the message i get after trying to run      "sudo smbpasswd -a hera"
[05:48] <tritium> Ells, did you end up trying netapplet?
[05:49] <Ells> I think I might
[05:49] <Ells> it seems easier to use than ksimet
[05:49] <Ells> kismet
[05:49] <Ells> not sure if my version I have is compatible with warty though
[05:49] <randabis> I usually do /boot swap, then / /home
[05:49] <gza> how much for boot?
[05:50] <Ells> I have 0.99.4-1
[05:50] <randabis> shouldn't need more than 100mb, 40-50 is fine too
[05:50] <randabis> could probably even get by on 20-30
[05:50] <tritium> Ells, that's the same version in Hoary
[05:50] <pussfeller> FAST, you might still be able to connect from windows, if not, add hera as a user with shell /bin/false
[05:50] <randabis> depends on how many kernels you want, etc
[05:51] <Ells> Tritium, is it compatible for Warty
[05:51] <tritium> Ells, I thought you had the same version in Warty.
[05:51] <Ells> you mean the kernel
[05:51] <randabis> if it's the same version I'd assume compatibility would be a nonissue
[05:52] <tritium> It should be the same .deb on the archives
[05:52] <FAST> pussfeller, what if i want guest access from a windows machine?
[05:52] <Ells> I have the deb, but cannot get it through apt-get
[05:52] <wasabi> what version of hte kernel did warty release with?
[05:52] <tritium> 2.6.8 I believe
[05:52] <wasabi> Can somebody verify that via-velocity exists in /lib/modules for me?
[05:52] <pussfeller> FAST, you can do that, but I cant remember how and I was going to ask myself
[05:52] <wasabi> I need to let a friend know.
[05:52] <tritium> wasabi, it won't for everyone.
[05:53] <randabis> <IP_ADDRESS> to be more specific
[05:53] <pussfeller> FAST, troubles with samba are ussually password related :)
[05:53] <wasabi> tritium, why?
[05:53] <Ells> are there different packages under hoary than warty
[05:53] <wasabi> Looks liek the patch was submitted to the lkml in 2.6.6
[05:53] <tritium> wasabi, because not everyone has the same hardware
[05:53] <FAST> hm
[05:53] <wasabi> lib/modules isn't decided by what hardware you have.
[05:53] <JoePenguin> Ells: yes
[05:53] <Ells> oka
[05:53] <FAST> pussfeller, what does    /bin/false   do ?
[05:53] <Ells> if I was to change the source, would it upgrade the system
[05:53] <tritium> wasabi, oh, I thought you meant /etc/modules
[05:53] <tritium> wasabi, my bad
[05:54] <wasabi> I just need ot know if the via-velocity module exists in warty
[05:54] <JoePenguin> Ells: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:54] <Ells> thanks joe
[05:54] <randabis> Ells, depends on what you change and how you perform upgrades
[05:54] <Ells> thanks rand
[05:54] <JoePenguin> Ells: also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[05:55] <Ells> thanks joe
[05:55] <pussfeller> FAST, that is for when you have to add a user to your linux box, but you don't want them to have a login shell
[05:55] <tritium> Ells, in the case of netapplet, though, it's the same package
[05:55] <Ells> tritium, will it work the same on warty though
[05:55] <Ells> as far as stability
[05:55] <FAST> pussfeller, what is the command i run to add the user hera?  i forget..
[05:55] <wasabi> tritium, there a chance you can check in yours for me?
[05:56] <pussfeller> superadduser
[05:56] <tritium> wasabi, I'll check..
[05:56] <pussfeller> FAST, you cannt connect from windows?
[05:56] <FAST> pussfeller, i see the linux computer listed in the windows network area,  when i double click it i need a login/pass ; but i guess i havent' set one yet
[05:57] <tritium> wasabi, it's there
[05:57] <wasabi> on warty? cool. thanks.
[05:58] <rattboi24> if I compile a kernel without IPV6, is everything gonna break?
[05:58] <tritium> wasabi, I'm using Hoary, but it's still there.
[05:59] <tritium> wasabi, the kernel I installed Warty with has it too
[05:59] <mike998> guys... i'm looking for ub40... kingston town for my g/f
[05:59] <mike998> help please
[05:59] <tritium> wasabi, it's not something that should change
[05:59] <Ells> tritium, are you running warty or hoary
[05:59] <tritium> Hoary
[05:59] <Ells> oka
[05:59] <Ells> okay
[06:00] <tritium> mike998, with what?
[06:00] <mike998> bittorrent
[06:00] <wasabi> tritium, it was posted to the lkml during late 2.6.6
[06:00] <wasabi> So I question if it made 2.6.8, that is all.
[06:00] <tritium> okay
[06:00] <mike998> sorry, i am vry drunk...
[06:00] <wasabi> thanks. ;)
[06:00] <mike998> i will owe you many
[06:01] <tritium> wasabi, it was in <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[06:01] <wasabi> okay, cool.
[06:01] <tritium> dont' know before that
[06:01] <tritium> don't
[06:01] <tritium> mike998, just buy it
[06:01] <mike998> it's her birthday
[06:01] <mike998> today
[06:01] <pussfeller> FAST, actually you can add a user fromthe computer/sys config/users and groups thing
[06:02] <ferris> hey.... I was wondering does Ubuntu have a utility to create ISO images?
[06:02] <crimsun> wasabi: it's in <IP_ADDRESS>-4-, too
[06:02] <ferris> i am pretty new to linux
[06:02] <alumik_> ferris, of course
[06:02] <lamont> ferris: mkisofs
[06:02] <ferris> i have been using it for about 2.5 months
[06:02] <alumik_> use the gnome cd burner
[06:03] <wm_eddie> ferris: mkisofs?
[06:03] <Agrajag> that doesn't create iso images
[06:03] <lamont> gnome cd burner is much more GUI than mkisofs
[06:03] <FAST> pussfeller, how do i make it so there is no home directory, etc for the accoutn?
[06:03] <chillywilly> connect the dots
[06:03] <chillywilly> lalalaala
[06:03] <alumik_> drag files to the gnome cd burner, then select iso image instead your burner
[06:03] <pussfeller> FAST, you set allthat stuff in the gui thing
[06:04] <pussfeller> or you can delte it later
[06:04] <FAST> pussfeller, so i jsut remove the  /home/$user     part ?
[06:04] <pussfeller> yes i assume
[06:04] <FAST> ok
[06:06] <FAST> pussfeller, now do i specify what users can access the share i listed in the smb.conf ?  and how?
[06:06] <ferris> I did not see it in synaptec
[06:06] <ferris> do i need to apt-get?
[06:06] <wm_eddie> ferris: um, it's part of nautilus
[06:06] <wm_eddie> Places>Create CD or something like that.
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> ++i itterates then returns right?
[06:07] <pussfeller> FAST, you are probably going to have to look at the example smb.conf or go to their website
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> in c++?
[06:07] <crimsun> |QuaD-_: preincrements, yes.
[06:07] <alumik_> ferris, open nautilus and open burn:///
[06:07] <wm_eddie> ++i == (i+=1)
[06:07] <mike_douglas> Will GCC4 be ready for Hoary? GCJ4+Eclipse would be really awesome.
[06:07] <alumik_> or in places
[06:07] <|QuaD-_> thanks :)
[06:07] <crimsun> mike_douglas: _highly_ doubtful.
[06:09] <mike_douglas> damn
[06:10] <ferris> alumik_: I have never used Nautilus... i cannot locate it in under applications or computer... how do i start it?
[06:11] <alumik_> nautilus is the "explorer" of gnome
[06:11] <alumik_> open your home
[06:11] <alumik_> or a cd
[06:11] <alumik_> that is nautilus
[06:12] <wm_eddie> ferris: You can also use ALT+F2 to run programs by name
[06:14] <ferris> alumik_: I do not have a program called 'burn'... atleast not that I can find...
[06:14] <alumik_> ferris, open your home
[06:14] <ferris> ok, it is open
[06:14] <subterrific> Places->CD/DVD Creator
[06:15] <estebandido> can someone tell me the command-line name of network tools?
[06:15] <alumik_> there is a menu called places or go to or something?
[06:15] <ferris> no
[06:15] <alumik_> no?
[06:15] <ferris> no
[06:15] <alumik_> what menus you have?
[06:16] <ferris> let me rephrase.... I go to Computer>Home
[06:16] <ferris> that opens a new file
[06:16] <alumik_> window
[06:16] <ferris> i have all of my personal files in that window
[06:16] <ferris> yes
[06:16] <ferris> window
[06:16] <Shinitenshi> hello
[06:16] <subterrific> and at the top of that window there is a menu named Places
[06:16] <alumik_> that window doesn't have a menu?
[06:16] <ferris> ok
[06:17] <ferris> yes... sorry about that
[06:17] <subterrific> and in that menu there is an item named CD Creator
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> umm am having drivers issues any help
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> :(
[06:17] <ferris> i am a little intoxicated
[06:17] <ferris> i have the menu
[06:17] <subterrific> so that opens a new window when you select it
[06:17] <crimsun> Shinitenshi: difficult to help unless you tell us what you're having issues with
[06:17] <subterrific> then you drag the files you want on the cd, into that window
[06:17] <ferris> ok i have the cd creator
[06:17] <ferris> thanks
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> ah thankyou
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> i just wanted a reply
[06:17] <Shinitenshi> well
[06:18] <Shinitenshi> first time linux user
[06:18] <subterrific> ferris: then you go to the File menu in the cd creator window
[06:18] <subterrific> ferris: and select Write to Disc
[06:18] <Shinitenshi> and everything is good execpt my wireless nick card isnt being seen
[06:18] <Shinitenshi> am using the onboard network card on my lap top
[06:18] <Shinitenshi> i wanted to know how to install it
[06:18] <Amaranth> Shinitenshi: I have a feeling the onboard card doesn't have a Linux driver.
[06:19] <Shinitenshi> well my onboard one does
[06:19] <Shinitenshi> just my wireless one doesnt
[06:19] <ferris> shinitenshi: it should autodetect and set up
[06:19] <Amaranth> Luckily there is a way to use the Windows drivers for it but it's a PITA to setup.
[06:19] <ferris> which laptop
[06:19] <Amaranth> Unless Ubuntu makes that easier too.
[06:19] <subterrific> it does
[06:20] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: there is a FAQ on this
[06:20] <Shinitenshi> on site?
[06:20] <Amaranth> This channel really needs a bot.
[06:20] <estebandido> i need help with netowrk tools
[06:21] <alumik> to do what?
[06:21] <randabis> ndiswrapper really isn't hard to setup as long as your card is supported
[06:21] <Amaranth> pull up FAQ entries and google searches
[06:21] <randabis> takes all of 4...maybe 5 commands...
[06:22] <Shinitenshi> heh
[06:22] <Shinitenshi> thx i guess ;P
[06:22] <alumik> Amaranth, and commands like !fix_my_computer
[06:22] <randabis> I'd like @rtfm and .fgi :)
[06:22] <Amaranth> alumik: I could make that ask for their password, SSH in to their system, and run sudo rm -rf / && sudo shutdown -h now
[06:23] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper/view?searchterm=NDISwrapper
[06:23] <alumik> Amaranth, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda1
[06:24] <randabis> lol
[06:24] <Shinitenshi> Subterrific: This makes it soo....
[06:24] <alumik> while true; do eject /dev/hdb; eject -t /dev/hdb; done
[06:24] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: be sure to read that whole page. at the bottom someone describes an easier way
[06:25] <randabis> and for kicks alumik cat /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 >> /dev/dsp
[06:25] <I_Need_Help> omg
[06:25] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: ok
[06:25] <I_Need_Help> I need serious help man
[06:25] <I_Need_Help> where do I get W32 stuff
[06:25] <randabis> ...
[06:25] <I_Need_Help> for wmv, in Mozilla and stuff
[06:25] <alumik> randabis, cat /boot/vmlinuz-<IP_ADDRESS>-3 >> /dev/lp0
[06:25] <crimsun> I_Need_Help: /wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:25] <randabis> HA
[06:26] <Amaranth> alumik, randabis: So I make them listen to what sounds like explosions while their cdrom drive keeps ejecting?
[06:26] <randabis> hahaha
[06:26] <randabis> :)
[06:26] <randabis> along with printing a zillion pages
[06:26] <alumik> yeah, cool eh?
[06:26] <randabis> it's the sound of gawd! lolz
[06:27] <Amaranth> I think cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/dsp might be better
[06:27] <randabis> yeah
[06:27] <alumik> damn!!! cron kick in!
[06:27] <randabis> I've actually done that before lolz :p
[06:28] <subterrific> what about /dev/pinknoise?
[06:28] <Amaranth> If you cat the kernel's memory it sounds like explosions
[06:28] <Amaranth> I dunno about the kernel itself
[06:28] <estebandido> i still need to know the real name of network tools...
[06:29] <alumik> estebandido, dpkg -L networktools | grep bin
[06:29] <estebandido> tnx!
[06:30] <alumik> is possible to play a sound when nautilus finishes burning a cd?
[06:31] <estebandido> hmmm... networktools not found
[06:31] <wm_eddie> Is it in the Sounds section of the configuration?
[06:31] <alumik> it will be cool to hear a "ding" like an owen
[06:31] <cg0def> can someone pls help me, I have some problem with /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure and I can't install, remove, or upgrade packages anymore
[06:31] <wm_eddie> hehe
[06:31] <randabis> lol
[06:33] <FAST> well i commented out the print stuff in smb.conf, and i see the folder i set up through the windows computer, but i can't access the folder
[06:33] <crimsun> cg0def: ...please tell me you're not mixing Sid and Warty/Hoary repos
[06:33] <cg0def> crimsun: hum sorry wrong channel
[06:33] <cg0def> crimsun: I am using debian
[06:34] <FAST> the folder i am sharing is      /media/sda1/video      which is on an external firewire hard drive; are there permissions i have to set up to access it ?
[06:34] <crimsun> cg0def: this was resolved yesterday with .44; .45 is the current version available.
[06:34] <cg0def> yeah but I can't install it
[06:35] <rattboi24> I'm recompiling my kernel
[06:35] <rattboi24> hopefully it works
[06:35] <rattboi24> last time I tried, it didn't work
[06:36] <estebandido> i have network tools, but configure is greyed out
[06:36] <pestil> I dont like xchat. I cant save this channel as a favorites channel
[06:36] <rattboi24> eh?
[06:36] <rattboi24> favorites channel?
[06:37] <rattboi24> why not make it a an onjoin channel instead?
[06:37] <mrossacm> I just installed apache2 using apt-get. What directory do I put files to be served in?
[06:37] <alumik> mrossacm, /var/www
[06:38] <pestil> rattboi24, yeah I cant add it as a favorites entry
[06:38] <FAST> if i set smb security to share, should i comment out the encrypt passwords section?
[06:38] <pestil> rattboi24, I have to put my pretty fingers on the ugly keyboard to get into this channel. instead of being able to do it automatically, or at least from a menu
[06:38] <pestil> rattboi24, onjoin?
[06:39] <pestil> rattboi24, I cant find such feature
[06:39] <randabis> pestil, it makes you join the channel automatically when you connect to the server
[06:40] <randabis> edit your preferences for this server
[06:40] <wm_eddie> pestil: go to edit mode from the server browser
[06:40] <pestil> wm_eddie, THANKS
[06:40] <pestil> wm_eddie, yeah thats what i wanted
[06:41] <rattboi24> yeah, what wm_eddie said
[06:42] <rattboi24> sorry, I'm worried about my kernel compile,  Iguess
[06:42] <rattboi24> do I always have to recompile the nvidia driver?
[06:42] <FAST> anyone?
[06:43] <mrossacm> any apache 2 experts out there? anyone?
[06:43] <FAST> if i set smb security to share, should i comment out the encrypt passwords section?
[06:43] <pestil> Ok, so pet peeve number 538 solved. Next. Apparently the included music player (rhythmbox?) won't load its library anymore. It will only load the first two artists and that's it. It used to work before.
[06:43] <pestil> I have updated to v0.8.8
[06:44] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: You say thats easy!
[06:44] <Shinitenshi> lol
[06:44] <blergh> hi ther
[06:44] <pestil> hey blergh
[06:44] <Oscarian> does anyone here know how to get 3d working in X with an ATI card (Radeon 9200)
[06:45] <pestil> 3d? are there any apps in linux that use that yet?
[06:45] <mrossacm> Is anyone here really good with apache 2?
[06:45] <Oscarian> pestil: i want to play an MMORPG with cedega
[06:45] <Oscarian> :)
[06:45] <blergh> i downloaded the warty release, and ive been trying to get it to work on a b&w g3 mac. Ive got it to install and its told me to reboot and when i do i get an error about pivot points and stuff. Ive looked in the forums, some others have had the same problem, but i couldt find a fix or explanation? any help
[06:46] <rattboi24> Oscarian, I don't know myself, but I'd imagine there's a million pages on it
[06:46] <wm_eddie> pestil: Have you tried deleting your ~/gnome2/rhythmbox/ dir? and reloading the library?
[06:46] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: i said it was easier than what was described at the top. and yes, following those 6 steps does seem easy to me since it is mostly copy and paste into the terminal
[06:46] <wm_eddie> pestil: Doom3, UT2003/2004
[06:46] <pestil> wm_eddie, no. i didnt know that was among the faq firsts to try. i will then.
[06:46] <Oscarian> rattboi24: there's not that much.  and the stuff i've found so far hasnt' work. :(
[06:46] <pestil> wm_eddie, thanks. scored twice in a row with me.
[06:47] <rattboi24> check ubuntuguide.org?
[06:47] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: you must not understand me, am incredibly stupid
[06:47] <Shinitenshi> :(
[06:47] <Shinitenshi> i just got cd today
[06:47] <Shinitenshi> my first time
[06:47] <Shinitenshi> first day on linux
[06:48] <subterrific> well you must have done something right
[06:48] <wm_eddie> Well you are lucky that Ubuntu is the one taking your virginity :p
[06:48] <pestil> i'm a distro 'hoe already
[06:49] <Oscarian> rajasun: yep.
[06:49] <Oscarian> oops
[06:49] <rattboi24> yeah, I checked
[06:49] <Shinitenshi> lol
[06:49] <rattboi24> didn't see it there
[06:49] <pestil> ubuntu is quite gentle, yes
[06:49] <subterrific> arg, why do the devs keep breaking everything on amd64
[06:49] <Oscarian> rattboi24: yep, checked ubuntuguide.org
[06:49] <Shinitenshi> my linux virginity ?
[06:49] <subterrific> fjklfjkldsaljfdsa
[06:49] <Shinitenshi> lmao
[06:50] <pestil> gentoo gets it rough on you. nevemind slackware. i guess thats where the "slack" comes from
[06:50] <blergh> any help? or is it a lost cause trying to get it to work? the error is "pivot_root: No such file or directory, /sbin/init: 429:cannnot open dev/console: no such file, Kernal panic:attempted to kill init!"
[06:50] <Shinitenshi> pestil
[06:50] <FAST> can anyone tell me why i cant access my shared folder from the windows machine?    i set security to share, listed a folder to share. the folder exists on an external firewire harddrive (which is already mounted)
[06:50] <pestil> yikes kernel panics
[06:50] <FAST> using samba
[06:50] <Shinitenshi> u know how to install wireless cards?
[06:50] <Oscarian> ooh, dpkg -l...coolies
[06:50] <Shinitenshi> sub says its easy but am quite a newb
[06:51] <rattboi24> Oscarian, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:51] <pestil> Shinitenshi, in linux you're lucky if wireless works. you're lucky if you have the right setup
[06:51] <wm_eddie> Shinitenshi: Computer>System Preferences>Network Settings or something like that.
[06:51] <pestil> sub? subzero? been many days since my MK days
[06:52] <Dreamer3> can ubunut talk LVM during install?
[06:52] <FAST> or can anyone tell me a command that will restart  sbmd ?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> FAST: /etc/init.d/smbd restart? or simliar
[06:52] <wm_eddie> FAST: /etc/init.d/smbd restart?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> that's the place to look
[06:52] <pestil> ooh that network wizards is sexy
[06:53] <Oscarian> rattboi24: yep, tried that one.  didn't work.  it broke my XFree86-4 file.
[06:53] <wm_eddie> pestil: Yeah, but it's a little on the dumb side.
[06:53] <Oscarian> (luckily i backed my original one up hehe)
[06:53] <pestil> hadn't seen it. hey i might try that wireless card here. linare wouldnt take it
[06:53] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[06:53] <Shinitenshi> wm_eddie: yes that the network settings
[06:53] <jay_> hey I'm using an old p2 266 with 192 ram. will KDE run faster than GNOME?
[06:53] <Shinitenshi> but...
[06:53] <FAST> sudo: /etc/init.d/smbd: command not found
[06:53] <Shinitenshi> i wana install a new nic card
[06:53] <wm_eddie> jay_: They are practically the same.
[06:53] <subterrific> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/ndiswrapper go to the bottom of the page and follow those 6 steps
[06:54] <Dreamer3> jay_: i think gnome 2.8 is faster than kde 3.2... but i dunno about 3.3 (in the works)... it always seems to go back and forth to me
[06:54] <Dreamer3> jay_: on that you should run xfce or something light IMHO
[06:54] <wm_eddie> jay_: I suggest XFCE4.2 or a flux/blackbox WM
[06:54] <subterrific> pestil: subterrific
[06:54] <pestil> oh!
[06:54] <jay_> wm_eddie: then I won't bother switching over, at least for this machine which's sole purpose is internet connection sharing
[06:54] <pestil> yes, I've met you before. sorry
[06:54] <Dreamer3> jay_: use something light, won't hurt
[06:54] <jay_> is XFCE4.2 a X system?
[06:55] <wm_eddie> yu
[06:55] <wm_eddie> p
[06:55] <FAST> can i kill smbd ?
[06:55] <jay_> FVWM is light
[06:55] <jay_> My old red hat came with it
[06:55] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: i can see how those instructions might be difficult for a new user
[06:55] <wm_eddie> XFCE4.2 is probably the best compromise between desktop and window manager.
[06:56] <pestil> wm_eddie, XPDE, eh? :p
[06:56] <wm_eddie> FAST you can kill it...
[06:56] <wm_eddie> ?
[06:56] <wm_eddie> XPDE what's that?
[06:56] <Dreamer3> wm_eddie: xfce is sweet looking if you don't need icons
[06:56] <Oscarian> rattboi24: thanks for the help anyhow.  i'll hopefully work it out some time soon.
[06:56] <FAST> guh, i just need smbd to restart
[06:57] <blergh> well i just tried putting the hd on the second ide chain, now it doesnt get as far, it comes up with "default catch!, code=300 at (heaps of different hex things)"
[06:57] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: well i tryed to install "ndiswrapper-utils" thro the synaptic thing
[06:57] <jay_> I'll check that out then. Thanks. How about GNOME 1.0 ??
[06:57] <Shinitenshi> well it wasnt there
[06:57] <Dreamer3> anyone... can ubuntu do LVM during the install phase?
[06:57] <wm_eddie> wooo GNOME 1.0...
[06:57] <rattboi24> Oscarian, did you read the second page?
[06:57] <Shinitenshi> so i just tried doing the commands and dint work lol
[06:57] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: here are a few hints: Synaptic is in the Computer->System Configuration menu, root terminal is in the Applications->System Tools menu
[06:57] <wm_eddie> man that's old...
[06:57] <jay_> yes, I had it on Red Hat 6.2
[06:57] <pestil> wm_eddie, http://www.xpde.com/
[06:57] <Dreamer3> wm_eddie: i had windows 1 and 2 boxes where i used to work
[06:57] <jay_> and It was ugly but fast
[06:57] <Dreamer3> wm_eddie: talk about crappy looking
[06:58] <wm_eddie> Dreamer3: Yeah, I've had 3.0
[06:58] <pestil> wm_eddie, http://www.xpde.com/shots/startmenu.png
[06:58] <Dreamer3> wm_eddie: yeah, i've run 3.0 before
[06:58] <FAST> "The safe way to terminate an smbd is to send it a SIGTERM (-15) signal and wait for it to die on its own."      ?????
[06:58] <jay_> holy crap
[06:58] <jay_> that looks like PLEX
[06:59] <jay_> it was in the longhorn beta
[06:59] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: the "ndiswrapper-utils" arent there :/
[06:59] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: you might need to enable one of the 3rd party repositories for Synaptic to see ndiswrapper. there are instructions for doing that also
[06:59] <Dreamer3> FAST: can't you use the script in /etc/init.d?
[06:59] <wm_eddie> pestil: wow...
[06:59] <FAST> "Sending the smbd a SIGHUP will cause it to reload its smb.conf configuration file within a short period of time."           <----- how do i do this?
[06:59] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: give me a sec
[06:59] <pestil> jay_, PLEX? whats that
[06:59] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: ok
[06:59] <Dreamer3> FAST: the same command but pass it reload?
[06:59] <pestil> wm_eddie, is that sarcasm there?
[06:59] <wm_eddie> pestil: no.
[07:00] <wm_eddie> FAST: Um killall might do it...
[07:00] <wm_eddie> I'm not sure about what signal it sends...
[07:00] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: it looks like ndiswrapper utils should be there without adding any new repositories
[07:00] <wm_eddie> man killall
[07:00] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: maybe you need to refresh your package list
[07:00] <Shinitenshi> ok
[07:00] <pestil> wm_eddie, in my humble opinion, I like it like this. First GNOME, second ROX, third, XPDE, dead last KDE
[07:01] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: its the button in Synaptic on the far left...the green chasing arrows
[07:01] <subterrific> Shinitenshi: after you do that, try searching for 'ndis' in Synaptic
[07:01] <Dreamer3> pestil: oh yeah, the "lets steal the XP UI" wm :)
[07:01] <Dreamer3> pestil: almost forget about it
[07:01] <Shinitenshi> k
[07:01] <pestil> Dreamer3, very observative
[07:02] <pestil> Dreamer3, they have entire sections of that website dedicated to its legal status
[07:02] <jay_> I'm a master on ndiswrapper
[07:02] <Shinitenshi> subterrific: None
[07:02] <Dreamer3> pestil: an intersting inspiration
[07:02] <jay_> not
[07:02] <jay_> but i got it working for my card...
[07:02] <pestil> Dreamer3, in the end, they end with the conclusion its probably legal
[07:02] <pussfeller> /etc/init.d/samba reload
[07:02] <Dreamer3> pestil: is this not windows? what is "disk defragmenter"?
[07:02] <subterrific> jay_: then can you please help Shinitenshi find ndis in Synaptic :)
[07:02] <Dreamer3> pestil: looks like windows to me
[07:03] <blergh> can anyone help me?
[07:03] <pestil> Dreamer3, heck, there's even a Linux XP now
[07:03] <jay_> why not just install it
[07:03] <lj_> is there anyone good at ubuntu software
[07:03] <pestil> http://www.linux-xp.ru/
[07:03] <FAST> /etc/init.d/samba reload | * Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf (smbd only)... | start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 15386: No such process | 1 pids were not killed | No process in pidfile `/var/run/samba/smbd.pid' found running; none kille[ ok ]
[07:03] <subterrific> jay_: he says it doesn't appear in synaptic so he can't install it
[07:03] <jay_> here's a good question: On windows, you can automatically view shares of other computers by logging in as guest with no PW. On linux you got to mount everything. how do you just view shares autmatically
[07:03] <Dreamer3> pestil: from the menus it looks like Windows XP
[07:03] <jay_> I downloaded it
[07:03] <jay_> 1.0
[07:03] <jay_> but first
[07:03] <Shinitenshi> i kno whats up with that
[07:03] <randabis> ndiswrapper is already in the ubuntu kernel as a module..you merely need to apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[07:03] <jay_> i had to install the kernel source code
[07:04] <pestil> Dreamer3, and you haven't seen anything yet
[07:04] <jay_> which STUPIDLY isnt installed by default
[07:04] <FAST> man i am just going to restart the computer
[07:04] <FAST> brb
[07:04] <randabis> jay_ that's completely unnecessary
[07:04] <subterrific> randabis: we're aware of that. he can't find the utils in synaptic
[07:04] <jay_> my biggest gripe against ubuntu
[07:04] <jay_> so far
[07:04] <Dreamer3> pestil: no, i know you can steal a UI... but the flipping icons... there is no "disk defragmenter" for linux
[07:04] <randabis> subterrific, then he doesn't have the proper repositories installed
[07:04] <jay_> you can't make anything
[07:04] <Dreamer3> "files and settings transfer wizard"?
[07:04] <jay_> unless you have the source dode
[07:04] <Shinitenshi> jay_: is this hard?
[07:04] <jay_> code*
[07:04] <subterrific> randabis: so which repos is it in?
[07:04] <wm_eddie> jay_: what?
[07:04] <jay_> PM me
[07:04] <Dreamer3> pestil: very sick if they copy all the "features" jsut for the heck of it