[00:33] <Unit193> aedend: Having fun? :P
[02:22] <minasota> Unit193: ha, maybe... trying to figure out why I use znc when I can jist run screen/weechat on my server
[06:35] <cyberanger> hey minasota


[06:20] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: still downstairs?
[06:20] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: ofc
[06:21] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: ask philip if he wants one of those nice keyrings
[06:22] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: he is not down here.... no idea where he is
[06:22] <bkerensa> maybe sleeping?
[06:22] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: when you get upstairs :)
[06:22] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: I will ask him and let u know
[06:22] <JoseeAntonioR> great
[14:10] <Silverlion> hi every1
[14:41] <Silverlion> hey holstein
[14:41] <holstein> Silverlion: \o/
[17:29] <silverlion> hey there!


[00:05] <ChrisWoollard> G'night all. Until tomorrow.
[00:21] <rickspencer3> godbyk, ah, so I screwed this up a bit ... I don';t think xelatex was installed to the right place, and I scipped the "make the sym links step"
[00:22] <godbyk> rickspencer3: everyone does.
[00:23] <godbyk> there's a fix, though
[00:23] <godbyk> did you use the default paths?
[00:23] <rickspencer3> yeah, I just hit "do it"
[00:23] <godbyk> okay
[00:24] <godbyk> type 'sudo apt-get install perl-tk'
[00:24] <rickspencer3> I guess I just need to know where there were put, and drop sym links in /bin/bash and such?
[00:24] <godbyk> then 'sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr --gui'
[00:24] <rickspencer3> ok
[00:24] <godbyk> even better.. there's an option in the gui to do it for you.
[00:25] <godbyk> let me know when you've got the gui up.
[00:25] <godbyk> (or if you hit snags before then)
[00:26] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[00:26] <rickspencer3> lots of snags
[00:26] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:~/Projects/developer-manual$ sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui/tlmgrgui.pl
[00:26] <rickspencer3> Can't locate TeXLive/Splashscreen.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui/tlmgrgui.pl line 17.
[00:26] <rickspencer3> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgrgui/tlmgrgui.pl line 17.
[00:28] <godbyk> it should be at /usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive/Splashscreen.pm
[00:28] <godbyk> maybe go into that directory and run ./tlmgr --gui from there.
[00:29] <godbyk> there should definitely be an easier way. :)
[00:29] <godbyk> one moment
[00:29] <godbyk> lemme see if the command-line version has an option for it
[00:30] <godbyk> Try: "sudo tlmgr path add"
[00:31] <godbyk> Try: "sudo tlmgr option path add"
[00:31] <godbyk> (the latter)
[00:32] <rickspencer3> right
[00:32] <godbyk> actually, I take it back.
[00:32] <rickspencer3> so just add /bin/bash/ ?
[00:32] <rickspencer3> oops, ok
[00:32] <godbyk> I think it is just 'sudo tlmgr path add'
[00:32]  * rickspencer3 waits
[00:32] <godbyk> no 'option'.  (the man page is difficult to read.)
[00:32] <godbyk> what happens if you run 'sudo tlmgr path add'?
[00:33] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive$ sudo ./tlmgr.pl path add
[00:33] <rickspencer3> Can't locate TeXLive/TLConfig.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ./../../texmf/scripts/texlive ./../../tlpkg /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:33] <rickspencer3> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at ./tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:35] <godbyk> okay, "cd /usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive/"
[00:35] <godbyk> then "sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl path add"
[00:40] <rickspencer3> godbyk, ok, I had to tweak that slightly to run
[00:40] <Kerry_Hatcher> Hi everyone I'm back
[00:40] <rickspencer3> no wait
[00:40] <rickspencer3> oops
[00:40] <godbyk> what'd you have to tweak?
[00:40] <rickspencer3> yeah, I did
[00:40] <rickspencer3> I add to, essentially cd /usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/
[00:41] <rickspencer3> oops
[00:41] <rickspencer3> well, it ran, but with a different error :/
[00:42] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive$ sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl path add
[00:42] <rickspencer3> Can't locate TeXLive/TLConfig.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/../../texmf/scripts/texlive /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/../../tlpkg /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:42] <rickspencer3> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 78.
[00:42] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg/TeXLive$ ls
[00:42] <rickspencer3> Splashscreen.pm  TLConfig.pm    TLMedia.pm  TLPDB.pm   TLPostActions.pm  TLTREE.pm   TLWinGoo.pm  waitVariableX.pm
[00:42] <rickspencer3> TeXCatalogue.pm  TLDownload.pm  TLPaper.pm  TLPOBJ.pm  TLPSRC.pm         TLUtils.pm  trans.pl
[00:43] <rickspencer3> rick@rick-desktop:/usr/local/texlive/2009/tlpkg$ sudo /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl path add
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Can't exec "kpsewhich": No such file or directory at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 315.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $texmfsysvar in scalar chomp at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 315.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $texmfsysvar in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 317.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Can't exec "kpsewhich": No such file or directory at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4287.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $TEXMFCONFIG in scalar chomp at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4287.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> Use of uninitialized value $TEXMFCONFIG in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4288.
[00:43] <rickspencer3> cannot setup TLMedia in /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/../.. at /usr/local/texlive/2009/texmf/scripts/texlive/tlmgr.pl line 4074.
[00:45] <godbyk> maybe cd .. and run tlmgr again?
[00:45] <godbyk> (since it has the TeXLive path baked in)
[00:45] <godbyk> I'm not sure.
[00:46] <godbyk> otherwise, you can run the install script again and select that option this time.
[00:46] <godbyk> It *should* detect that you've installed already and not download everything again.
[00:46] <rickspencer3> hmmm
[00:46] <rickspencer3> it concerns me that it's not functioning now though
[00:47] <rickspencer3> let me poke at it a bit
[00:49] <godbyk> 'kay.
[00:49] <godbyk> see what happens when you don't follow the instructions closely? :)
[00:49] <godbyk> (there are quite a lot of symlinks that it creates, so it's best to have it do it for you.)
[00:49] <godbyk> (and if you have suggestions on how I can make those instructions more clear, let me know!)
[00:53] <rickspencer3> godbyk, yeah, I screwed it up
[00:53] <rickspencer3> if I rerun the installer, which directors should I specify?
[00:54] <godbyk> rickspencer3: just accept the defaults and you should be okay.
[00:54] <rickspencer3> screw it, I'm rerunning the installer
[00:54] <rickspencer3> godbyk, so if it says this:
[00:54] <rickspencer3> New value for binary directory [/usr/local/bin]:
[00:55] <rickspencer3> what do I put?
[00:55] <godbyk> you can accept the defaults, typically.
[00:55] <rickspencer3> just hit enter?
[00:55] <godbyk> you should have /usr/local/bin in your PATH environment variable.
[00:55] <godbyk> yeah.
[00:55] <godbyk> brb
[00:56] <rickspencer3> fudge, it's redownloading everything I guess
[00:56] <rickspencer3> good time to take a break
[06:45] <ChrisWoollard> Maybe the ppa would have been a better idea.
[10:00] <ChrisWoollard> This is not strictly a  manual related link. But i did think it an absolute work of genius. So I will share anyway.
[10:00] <ChrisWoollard> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/06/02/the_genius_of_the_lego_printer/
[15:17] <nisshh> for anyone who is interested, maverick alpha 1 is out!
[16:45]  * humphreybc-mini is on his little wee netbook
[16:46] <dutchie> how exciting
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> very-
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> I found netbook edition to be shit
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> so i
[16:46] <dutchie> dunno why you got a mini 9 when you could have got a 10v
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> so im running gnome instead
[16:46] <humphreybc-mini> because we cant get the 10s with an SSD
[16:47] <humphreybc-mini> coz dell NZ suck
[16:47] <dutchie> oh
[16:48] <dutchie> s/dell //
[16:48] <dutchie> :P
[16:49] <humphreybc-mini> lol
[16:49] <humphreybc-mini> ubuntu, with compiz, runs fairly well
[16:49] <humphreybc-mini> whatever window manager UNE uses is terrible though
[16:49] <dutchie> maximus
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> unity is nice, but it crashes whenever I try to add something to the dock
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> otherwise i
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> otherwise i'd be using that
[16:50] <humphreybc-mini> the enter key is where apostrophe should be
[16:53] <humphreybc-mini> the ambiance them actually looks half decent on this for some reason though
[16:53] <humphreybc-mini> I'm actually using it as default :O
[16:53] <dutchie> i like the ambience theme
[16:54] <humphreybc-mini> stoked that compiz works
[17:58] <rickspencer3> godbyk hi
[17:58] <rickspencer3> so make runs now
[17:58] <rickspencer3> which is good
[17:58] <rickspencer3> but I get hundreds of errors like this:
[17:58] <rickspencer3> ! \textfont 0 is undefined (character u).
[17:58] <rickspencer3> \Url@FormatString ...\Url@String \UrlRight \m@th $
[17:58] <rickspencer3>
[17:58] <rickspencer3> l.102 \url{http://www.ubuntu-manual.org/}
[17:58] <rickspencer3>
[17:58] <rickspencer3> ?
[17:58] <rickspencer3> and then a blank pdf is created
[18:11] <godbyk> rickspencer3: did you run the pkgs/install-pkgs.sh script?
[18:11] <rickspencer3> yeah
[18:11] <godbyk> okay.
[18:11] <rickspencer3> I think
[18:11] <rickspencer3> :/
[18:11] <godbyk> Can you paste the .log file for me?
[18:12] <rickspencer3> it was yesterday ... and I remember looking at it
[18:12] <rickspencer3> main.log?
[18:13] <godbyk> yeah
[18:14] <rickspencer3> godbyk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/444156/
[18:17] <godbyk> rickspencer3: ah, it's complaining because you're missing the graphics/advanced.pdf and graphics/warning.pdf files.
[18:17] <godbyk> you can copy those from the ubuntu-manual repository.
[18:17] <rickspencer3> can do
[18:18] <godbyk> You also need to make sure you have the Linux Libertine OpenType fonts installed.
[18:18] <godbyk> I think that the ttf-linux-libertine package provides them.
[18:18] <godbyk> If not, you can get them from SourceForge.  (The link is on the last page of the Ubuntu manual [in the colophon].)
[18:19] <godbyk> Same with Linux Biolinum.  It comes from the same SF site.  Otherwise ttf-linux-biolinum, I think.
[18:19] <godbyk> And you need DejaVu Sans Mono.
[18:20] <rickspencer3> dang
[18:20] <godbyk> Those are the big problems I see.  We'll see what other problems exist after you've cleared those up. :)
[18:20] <rickspencer3> hmm
[18:21] <rickspencer3> I could apt-get install ttf-linux-libertine
[18:21] <rickspencer3> but not ttf-linux-biolinum
[18:21] <rickspencer3> and don't know where to get DejaVu Sand Mono
[18:21] <rickspencer3> so, source forge it is
[18:22] <godbyk> SF will get you the latest versions of Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum.
[18:23] <godbyk> Linux Biolinum is a new font and is quite preliminary, so it may not be packaged yet.
[18:23] <godbyk> DejaVu Sans Mono is available in one of the ttf-dejavu* packages. (Just install 'em all.)
[18:42] <ubuntujenkins> howdy all, did i miss much, irc is too much of a revision distraction
[18:43]  * ubuntujenkins is excited that he has done"engineering management: Finance, Law and Quality" !
[18:44] <rickspencer3> godbyk I'm confused, where exactly do I find the SF links?
[18:45] <ubuntujenkins> rick are you still trying to install latex?
[18:48] <rickspencer3> ubuntujenkins, no, fonts and such
[18:48] <rickspencer3> I am wondering if I didn't use su for ./install.sh
[18:48] <rickspencer3> so I'm trying that again
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> ouch it has taken a while to do it all
[18:50] <godbyk> rickspencer3: I think you didn't use the install-pkgs.sh script.
[18:50] <rickspencer3> godbyk I think I used it, but without sudo
[18:50] <rickspencer3> so I'm running it with sudo, and it says it's installing stuff
[18:50] <godbyk> rickspencer3: But if you open the PDF of Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04, go to the very last page, it'll give you the links to the fonts.
[18:50] <godbyk> You shouldn't have to run it with sudo -- it'll use sudo internally.  (It'll ask for your password if it needs it).
[18:55] <rickspencer3> well, I ran it with sudo and it worked
[18:55] <rickspencer3> so now it looks like I just need to set up the glossary and stuff like that
[18:55] <rickspencer3> thanks godbyk!
[18:56] <rickspencer3> I have a main.pdf :)
[18:56] <godbyk> cool
[18:56] <godbyk> any more error messages?
[18:56] <rickspencer3> yeah, but there were due to undefined things in my document
[18:56] <rickspencer3> referring to chapters that aren't there, glossary items that aren't there, etc...
[18:56] <rickspencer3> I'll be back in a couple of hours, maybe get to work on this a bit more later tonight
[18:57] <godbyk> Okay.
[18:57] <godbyk> Yeah, the Makefile will complain about the glossary and index stuff.
[19:07]  * ubuntujenkins attempts to build new packages for the ppa, and this time they are from the most up to date as they can be
[19:12]  * ubuntujenkins looks into how to make a download progress bar for the manual program
[19:13] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: rickspencer3 was very pleased to have got a download bar of some description into quidgets iirc
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> ooo that might be good make my life easy. Quickly has helped me learn allot.
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> I will ask rick later and try and understand how quickshot reads the dictionary file. I like this revision break
[19:27]  * ubuntujenkins thinks godbyk is right the more you think about a "simple" program the more complex it actually is.
[19:29] <godbyk> You could've just stopped with 'ubuntujenkins thinks godbyk is right'. ;-)
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[20:05]  * ubuntujenkins is building latex packages which are very up to date, I updated the latex source my self
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> soo much easier this time than last
[20:22] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: do you have a link for that page on ppa version numbers on launchpad?
[20:22] <dutchie> help.lp.net somewhere
[20:23] <dutchie> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[20:23] <ubuntujenkins> thnaks dutchie
[20:34] <c7p> hello, is there anything new about the licenses and the release of traslated versions ?
[20:52] <shrini> team
[20:52] <shrini> got a doubt on translating in LP
[20:52] <shrini> anybody there"
[20:52] <shrini> ?
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> I am here shrini
[20:53] <shrini> ubuntujenkins: haiu
[20:53] <shrini> after long time, coming here
[20:53] <shrini> :-)
[20:54] <shrini> what to do with the "developer note to translator"
[20:54] <shrini> need to add that too in the translation?
[20:54] <shrini> type: paragraph{#2}
[20:54] <shrini> type: document
[20:54] <shrini>       type: itemize
[20:54] <shrini> ?
[20:55] <ubuntujenkins> is that all of it? if not can you paste bin the whole thing please
[20:56] <shrini> there are many
[20:56] <shrini> on every english text,
[20:56] <shrini> i see a note like this
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> oo in the po file?
[20:56] <shrini> do we need to translate that?
[20:56] <shrini> ya
[20:57] <ubuntujenkins> now this makes sense, let me just read one so i get it ccorrect
[20:58] <ubuntujenkins> no all you translate is the english between the " "
[20:58] <shrini> ohoh
[20:58] <shrini> okey
[20:58] <shrini> thats great
[20:59] <shrini> we finished writing in paper
[20:59] <shrini> and typed in openoffice
[20:59] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[20:59] <shrini> now copy-paste in LP
[20:59] <shrini> :-)
[21:01]  * ubuntujenkins has had to ask for the manual ppa size to be increased
[21:21] <ubuntujenkins> ok I have built the packages locally how do I install all of the packages in a folder "dpkg -i *.deb" doesn't work as far as I can tell
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> are "sudo dpkg -i $(ls *.deb)" works
[22:00]  * ubuntujenkins thinks that keeping the packages update is now easy
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> flan
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> ping
[22:44] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I don't know if you will be able to help but if you can when you have a spare moment tomorrow and I am on irc and I am awake. I am having a problem with a patch applying when building a latex-bin package, not sure if you will know but you said that you had done some debian patch applying stuff
[22:45] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:08] <semioticrobotic> hiya friends ... what's new?  haven't seen much action on the blueprint for lucid-e2 (actually, it's been marked superseded?)  what's our plan of attack?
[23:25] <rickspencer3> godbyk hey, I can't quite see how to set up the glossary
[23:25] <rickspencer3> can you give me a quick pointer?
[23:26] <godbyk> rickspencer3: sure. Look at the file frontmatter/glossary-entries.tex from the ubuntu manual project.
[23:26] <rickspencer3> godbyk nm, just found frontmatter/glossaryentries
[23:26] <godbyk> there ya go.
[23:27] <godbyk> so you add the entries there.
[23:27] <godbyk> then, in your text, you can write \gls{keyword}.
[23:31] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[23:31] <rickspencer3> I just had my first build sans errors of the developer manual
[23:32] <rickspencer3> I can now build a crappily written prologue into a pdf!
[23:32] <godbyk> lol
[23:35] <rickspencer3> thanks for your help godbyk
[23:37] <godbyk> no problem.
[23:37] <godbyk> have you looked at the style guide? it may come in handy.
[23:37] <godbyk> Hopefully we'll get time to update it soon.


[12:13] <avb> why #113780 is exist for more then two days?
[12:13] <avb> a problem with usplash dependencies
[12:13] <avb> usplash-theme-debian must be changed to usplash-theme-ubuntu
[12:13] <avb> and the problem will be fixed
[12:14] <avb> or usplash-theme-ubuntu must provide usplash-theme
[12:18] <gnomefreak> avb: it was reported 12 hours ago not 2 days ago from what LP says. everyone is at UDS so things may not get fixed right away.
[12:19] <avb> ah, I see
[03:05] <j-dizzle> infinity2: poke... fix ktorrent pretty please?
[03:31] <_MMA_> Hi all. Ubuntu Studio 7.04 has been released. http://ubuntustudio.org Thanx to everyone. :)
[08:41] <pitti> Good morning
[08:45] <geser> Morning pitti
[08:53] <pitti> hey geser!
[08:53] <ion_> Hi pitti
[08:57] <tepsipakki> what is the equivalent for "Depends: foo (= ${binary:Version})" for dpkg in dapper?
[08:57] <tepsipakki> dpkg-deb complains that the version string is empty
[09:00] <geser> (= ${Source-Version}) if I'm not mistaken
[09:00] <crimsun> dapper's dpkg is older than 1.13.19, which is needed for ${binary:Version}.  ${Source-Version} AFAIK.
[09:00] <tepsipakki> yeah, thanks.. I'll try that
[09:15] <Hobbsee> morning all
[09:15] <Mithrandir> hiya Hobbsee
[09:15] <keescook> mornin'
[09:16] <Hobbsee> :)
[09:16] <ajmitch> morning
[09:22] <pitti> keescook: running 'bt' or 'bt full' in a built source tree does not show any source lines, only the initial 'breakpoint hit' or 'crashed' message
[09:22] <pitti> keescook: and I think it's good that way TBH; convoluting source and variable values would be too confusing
[09:23] <pitti> keescook: so I guess I'll spec it to just simply read it out from the source files manually
[09:23] <keescook> pitti: hmmm... I will try it again shortly
[09:23] <infinity> pitti: Does anyone hanging out there know why the buildd sequencer appears to be stopped?
[09:23] <keescook> hiya infinity
[09:24] <pitti> infinity: hm, I didn't notice and didn't hear anything from Tollef/Colin/the other suspects
[09:24] <pitti> infinity: but that might just be us being busy talking and not watching the archive at all
[09:24] <pitti> infinity: I can poke cprov, he's sitting 2 m away
[09:24] <Mithrandir> pitti: please do, and point him to #soyuz
[09:25] <infinity> Kay.  I'd restart it myself, but if there was a reason, and it's unsafe to restart it, I'd rather not.
[09:37] <pitti> keescook: if you have a minute, maybe you can have a review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApportBetterRetracing ?
[09:37] <keescook> pitti: sure, one sec
[09:39] <keescook> pitti: add "useless for Mono" too, since you have Wine in there already?
[09:39] <pitti> keescook: I deliberately didn't, since we have a separate spec for that
[09:40] <keescook> ah!  very good.  :)  Perhaps link to it?
[09:40] <pitti> right
[09:42] <keescook> pitti: do you think adding a coredump checksum for corruption-detection is useful?  (it was in the gobby list of possible solutions for #3)
[09:43] <infinity> pitti: I realise this is a bit late in the game to suggest it, but has there been any interest in revisiting ReducingDuplication to try to clean up again?
[09:44] <keescook> pitti: rest looks good.
[09:44] <pitti> keescook: I couldn't see an immediate need for it
[09:44] <pitti> keescook: that's why I didn't add it; it's one of the cases where I rather leave it out and add it as needed
[09:44] <pitti> keescook: mono spec linked
[09:45] <keescook> sounds good.  as long as the upload truncation can be "proven" as solved with the contentlength, I'd agree.  If that can't be shown, then I think the crc is useful.
[09:45] <pitti> infinity: right, that's an ongoing effort; I do want to have a look at it again, for gutsy+1 at latest (since that's LTS)
[09:46] <pitti> keescook: right; thanks for revierw
[09:46] <pitti> s/rw$/w/
[09:46] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, I'd like to clean a bit now, and then get fascist about it for gutsy+1.
[09:46] <infinity> pitti: Where "now" is "sometime in the next few weeks", obviously no big rush.
[09:46] <pitti> infinity: sounds good
[09:59] <infinity> j-dizzle: feisty-backports is all sorted and happy now.  Sorry about that.
[10:12] <lifeless> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=288 <- ati + opensource ?
[10:13] <Treenaks> solution: http://tirdc.livejournal.com/3766.html
[10:40] <Saied> all, hi
[10:40] <Saied> how can i disable boot messages?
[10:46] <Saied> how can i disable boot messages?
[10:48] <ion_> saied: Try #ubuntu for support.
[11:11] <dholbach> keescook: heya - where are you hanging out?
[11:16] <ajmitch> dholbach: mdadm/lvm fun
[11:29] <keescook> dholbach: hiya.  I'm in the mdadm/lvm session atm
[11:46] <Sp4rKy> hi
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> is there something to add during build of iso to use gfxboot ?
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> something other than conf files in isolinux/ ?
[12:33] <tepsipakki> new hal in feisty-backports is broken
[12:36] <tepsipakki> oh
[12:36] <tepsipakki> hal-info didn't make it in our mirror, so maybe that's what broke it
[12:42] <tepsipakki> nope, hal-info for feisty-backports isn't in the archives, since it's new
[12:42] <tepsipakki> could an archive admin please accept hal-info for feisty?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: ^
[12:45] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: I voluntold kylem to do it.
[12:45] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: thanks!
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: skipping work, again... :P
[12:45] <StevenK> Hobbsee: No, "Delegation", an important part of work.
[12:45] <Mithrandir> I'm such a slacker
[12:45] <tepsipakki> :)
[12:45] <mjg59> He's a manager now
[12:45] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I am?
[12:46] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hah.  yes.
[12:46] <StevenK> mjg59: Have you bought him a tie?
[12:46] <Mithrandir> actually, this is so kyle gets to make mistakes when I'm here so I can whack him over the head if he tries to make the archive blow up
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:46] <Hobbsee> always fun
[12:46] <StevenK> Heh
[12:48] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Like a "Oh crap, I just managed to clean out dapper" ?
[12:48] <StevenK> Actually, that would be fairly impressive.
[12:49] <kylem> tepsipakki, backport accepted.
[12:49] <Mithrandir> that'd be bad, yes.
[12:51] <tepsipakki> kylem: rock
[02:02] <robertj> on resume, my laptop shows a black background, the cursor is present, and the area where the cursor starts has some corrupted graphics, what package do I need to file the bug against?
[02:02] <ScottK> robertj: #ubuntu-bugs is a probably a better channel to ask that question.
[02:03] <robertj> thanks, done
[02:18] <Mithrandir> doko: is that ooo doesn't work correctly on gutsy know?
[02:18] <Mithrandir> /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/openoffice/program/libspell680li.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Hunspell5spellEPKc
[02:18] <doko> Mithrandir: yes, known
[02:18] <Mithrandir> is there a workaround
[02:18] <Mithrandir> ?
[02:18] <doko> don't upgrade libhunspell
[02:19] <pochu> bug 111940
[02:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111940 in hunspell "libhunspell-1.1-0 1.1.5-6: Incompatible ABI change" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111940
[02:19] <Mithrandir> oh well, I could downgrade I guess.
[02:19] <Mithrandir> pochu: cheers
[02:19] <pochu> yw
[02:21] <ScottK> Mithrandir: Looks like the sparcdd that's running is actually getting stuff done now.  I can mark some bugs fix released.  Thanks for kicking/having them kicked.
[02:22] <ScottK> err sparc buildd
[02:22] <Mithrandir> ScottK: yeah, I just prodded the right people; thanks for your persistency in telling me, I just haven't been attending to the buildds this week due to uds
[02:22] <ScottK> NP.  I certainly understand being distracted.
[02:39] <pygi> hi folks
[03:36] <asac> Mithrandir keescook mvo dholbach http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/funkymonkey.xpi ... please try and tell me if things work proper for you ... had to do some hacking in greasemonkey user script management dialog. Now it should be as easy as dropping global scripts to /usr/share/firefox/defaults/gm_scripts/
[03:37] <keescook> nce
[03:37] <keescook> er... nice too
[03:39] <dholbach> asac: works great
[04:51] <gumpa> Howdy. I want to make a liveCD for collecting hardware info.
[04:51] <gumpa> Upon boot it should accept telnet, run lshal and Python scripts, be able to ftp .. not much else
[04:51] <gumpa> Any suggestions?
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> wtf is going on with launchpad
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/livecd-creator
[06:21] <bluefoxicy> people are fiddling with the white boards for asinine purposes
[06:23] <mjg59> I suspect that this is the wrong place to ask
[06:26] <bluefoxicy> mjg59:  where IS the right place to ask about random wiki/launchpad/etc vandalizing and such?
[06:26] <mjg59> Unsure. Not here.
[06:28] <j-dizzle> bluefoxicy: probably #launchpad
[06:42] <bddebian> Heya
[06:43] <ion_> Hi
[06:43] <bddebian> Hello ion_
[06:52] <gumpa> bluefoxicy: thanks for the LP link, doesn't appear that there's much interest in a liveCD tool
[06:52] <gumpa> can anyone comment on Reconstructor or Ubuntu Customization Kit ?
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> gumpa:  I was more pointing out the whiteboard junk, people are changing it to draw smilies and say "my turn my turn eee!"
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> I don't know if they're screwing with other specs
[06:56] <bluefoxicy> but as mjg said, not here.
[06:58] <gumpa> bluefoxicy: but you _did_ provide the link germane to my query. thx for that :-]
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> gumpa:  nods
[08:30] <Husio> hello
[08:30] <Husio> I have a question about the pilot in macbook (intel 2.0)
[08:30] <Husio> what patch allows to use it?
[08:31] <Husio> can't find any info how to make it works
[10:30] <StevenHarperUK_>  Hi : I have just registered my lauchpad project https://launchpad.net/usb-adsl-modem-manager   I have a working application, but I need someone who's used to the processes in getting Ubuntu packages made (debian) and other processes to help me
[10:30] <StevenHarperUK_> Cany anyone help - or point me in the right direction
[10:33] <mc44> StevenHarperUK_: #ubuntu-motu can help you with packaging, but a lot of the people are in spain at the development conference at the moment
[10:34] <StevenHarperUK_> do you know the steps - in order I should be doing things
[10:34] <mc44> well, making a package is a good first step :)
[10:35] <StevenHarperUK_> I have never done that before
[10:36] <StevenHarperUK_> Is there a WIki page?
[10:37] <mc44> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[10:56] <soundray> I reported a bug back in February (#84026). Additional information was requested. I supplied that, and after that nothing ever happened any more. "Importance" is still "undecided". Have I just wasted my time reporting the bug?
[11:03] <mc44> soundray: there are 17594 undecided bugs in Ubuntu...
[11:05] <soundray> mc44: so the answer is yes...
[11:06] <mc44> That wouldn't be my interpretation
[11:09] <soundray> I would have thought that frequency scaling is important, especially on CPUs where the savings potential is so big.
[11:13] <pygi> hi G0SUB
[11:13] <pygi> Gman*
[11:13] <Gman> hi
[11:14] <soundray> Anyway, thanks mc44 for the info. I'll be patient.


[14:17] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: its happening, all iso's available
[14:17] <alkisg> Yey!
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> grabbin a -desktop myself
[14:19] <TJ-> put that desk down immediately!
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:20] <TJ-> here, have an ubuntu-chair instead
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> yes master :p
[14:20] <TJ-> shouldn't that be "yes main" ? :P
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:21] <alkisg> Haha that took me 2 seconds to sink in
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> ok stick burned; wish me luck
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> if i dont return quick, im stuck in flutterspace
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> come help me then master TJ- :p
[14:32] <alkisg> 🤞
[14:33] <TJ-> sorry, can't get 18.04 to even start!
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> rocknroll!
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> Client: HexChat 2.16.0 • OS: Ubuntu "jammy" 22.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz (1,80GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11,3 GiB Total (10,5 GiB Free) Swap: 2,0 GiB Total (2,0 GiB Free) • Storage: 21,2 GB / 239,3 GB (218,1 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 @ Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 3m 56s
[15:07] <alkisg> 4 minutes uptime is always encouraging!
[15:07] <alkisg> (kidding!) Any grave bugs so far?
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> not right away alkisg but im gonna tweak my settings around a bit first
[15:09] <alkisg> 👍
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: i didnt see a ctrl C to skip integrity check at boot
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> so that might got bit slower start, but install itself was pretty fast
[15:10] <alkisg> I'm passing the nocdcheck parameter (or however it's called) from my liveusb script so I never see that
[15:10] <alkisg> The good thing with the check though is that it's loaded in ram so it then goes fast
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> wayland doesnt seem to be stuttering too much neither
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> looks pretty good so far
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: know what happened to the snap dirs /loop? not showing under df -h anymore so it seems
[16:39] <alkisg> No idea, if you have a snap running and you type mount, does it show up?
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> ./var/lib/snapd/snaps/firefox_631.snap on /snap/firefox/631 type squashfs (ro,nodev,relatime,x-gdu.hide)
[16:41] <alkisg> Maybe they patched df to omit them
[16:41] <alkisg> x-gdu.hide
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> nsfs on /run/snapd/ns/snap-store.mnt type nsfs (rw)
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> nsfs on /run/snapd/ns/firefox.mnt type nsfs (rw)
[16:41] <alkisg> ...that might mean something
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah a lot of new logics
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> new workspaces rocknroll man
[16:49] <TJ-> what's the nsfs ?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> not sure
[16:51] <TJ-> aha namespace file-system https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=e149ed2b805fefdccf7ccdfc19eca22fdd4514ac
[16:51] <TJ-> makes sense, finding them under /proc/*/ns was a pain
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/ftJstqC
[17:50] <alkisg> Eh, the 8.04 brown was so much more elegant than this purple... :)
[17:51] <alkisg> I like the horizontal "panel" though!
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> heh
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: the new workspaces are great https://imgur.com/a/ZzgBcss
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> i missed those since 16.04
[17:52] <alkisg> I never managed to use more than one workspace
[17:52] <alkisg> And now that all major OSes support window snapping, I'm not sure I'll ever need anything more...
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah its an organized thing into our minds :p
[17:54] <alkisg> My usual setup is a big window to the left part of the screen, a smaller one to the top right, and one to the bottom right
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> you are testing on mate right alkisg ?
[17:55] <alkisg> My main desktop is on mate, but I have a lot of distributions/DEs installed in various devices
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> ah cool
[17:56] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: the "bottom taskbar" style needs a plugin, or is it a stock option?
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: yeah its changeable left/bottom/right these days and its a dock extension by default
[17:57] <alkisg> Do icons show up on the desktop too, by default?
[17:58] <alkisg> Actually let me download and see it, I guess it'll run in a VM...
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: my home folder was now, but they added a desktop icons settings extension now
[17:59]  * alkisg hates that all of them are named jammy-desktop.iso, like there's only one desktop environment...
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> heh
[18:02] <alkisg> lubuntu 22.04 iso => 327MB after booting and launching qterminal, not bad (it used to be 120 MB though)
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> cool
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> i usualy test lubuntu lts too
[18:03] <alkisg> I stopped testing it with 18.04/32bit; if a PC is 64bit, there's little reason to use lubuntu...
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> well in belgium a lot of older machines still need a second life, that doesnt like gnome too much
[18:05] <alkisg> True true gnome is a hog; but MATE is almost as light as Lubuntu, but a lot more polished,
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[18:05] <alkisg> while recently KDE became even lighter than MATE, as least in the initial RAM consumption test
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> kde has a lot of lovers out there, strong community
[18:06] <alkisg> Ubuntu 22.04 => 720MB with a terminal open
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> \o/
[18:06] <alkisg> I thought it'd be worse :)
[18:07] <alkisg> How do I drag the dock bar to the bottom?
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> systemsettings/apearance
[18:08] <alkisg> Nice!
[18:08] <alkisg> Now if they only had a start menu as well :D
[18:08] <alkisg> It's hard to tell first graders to type the app name
[18:08] <lotuspsychje> there is a classicmenu-indicator that gives you one on top panel
[18:10] <alkisg> And for little things like "click on the taskbar icon to minimize an app", are there extensions or settings?
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: dconf-editor for icon click behaviours tweaking
[18:11] <alkisg> Got it, ty
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> bll, couch time a bit ; )
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[18:15] <alkisg> Ah, google drive shows up in nautilus, that's a plus
[18:16] <alkisg> Although I've no idea what "email/calendar integration" I'm supposed to be seeing; is that on thunderbird, AFTER entering my mail details there once more?
[18:18] <FurretUber> Hi, I (as webchat95, apparently) was doing an upgrade by editing /etc/apt/sources.list. I notice that when I reported a bug, it's showing: "UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to jammy on 2019-12-22 (670 days ago)". Is this relevant?
[18:19] <TJ-> FurretUber: sounds like it has used a possibly commented-out line in sources.list about the original install media
[18:19] <TJ-> FurretUber: or else from one of the apt logs from the original install


[05:15] <Dandel> any ideas on when the xorg edgers will activate the vdpau implementation within mesa? it appears to be the only video acceleration method available under open source drivers since mesa removed va api support ( due to it being unmaintained )
[05:34] <RAOF> Dandel: Intel has vaapi support via libva; the mesa acceleration is shader-based anyway.
[06:34] <Dandel> RAOF: I know, but it helps reduce cpu load and in some cases ( like the amd e350, and systems using ddr2 memory ) it will allow users to play 1080p based content
[09:02] <mlankhorst> morning
[09:02] <mlankhorst> Dandel: vaapi never worked to begin with
[09:05] <Dandel> mlankhorst: I didn't know that it didn't ever work... however the vdpau may be working ( good thing for slower pc's )
[09:07] <mlankhorst> well apart from the decoding parft I'd guess vdpau worked :P
[09:17] <Dandel> the main thing would be to at least get rid of the errors when running vdpauinfo ( since it looks for libs that are not on the host platforms )
[09:38]  * mlankhorst tries
[09:40] <mlankhorst> well the information in vdpuainfo is still completely wrong :P
[09:40] <mlankhorst> ah well
[09:57] <mlankhorst> I'll leave it as an excercise to the reader to fix it
[10:14] <alkisg> Hi, in 12.04.1, there is an xserver-xorg-video-s3virge available,  but xserver-xorg-video-s3virge-lts-quantal
[10:14] <alkisg> N: Unable to locate package xserver-xorg-video-s3virge-lts-quantal
[10:14] <alkisg> Sorry pressed enter too early, let me ask again...
[10:14] <alkisg> Hi, in 12.04.1, there is an xserver-xorg-video-s3virge available,  but not in 12.04.2 (xserver-xorg-video-s3virge-lts-quantal)
[10:15] <alkisg> Is this because noone asked for it, or are there some technical reasons preventing it from being build+published?
[10:16] <tjaalton> it was removed since precise, nothing to backport
[10:16] <tjaalton> and on such hw you don't need the enablement stack anyway
[10:16] <alkisg> I'm on precise and it's available there: $ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-s3virge
[10:16] <alkisg>   Candidate: 1:1.10.4-4build2
[10:16] <tjaalton> so
[10:17] <tjaalton> ?
[10:17] <alkisg> Moment please, phone... :-/
[10:17] <tjaalton> if you actually have such hw, use the .1 installer
[10:18] <mlankhorst> alkisg: the official viewpoint is that on old hardware you wouldn't need the new xserver or kernel anyway, so the official path to install is through installing 12.04.1 and then upgrading. :-)
[10:19] <mlankhorst> s3virge doesn't exist in quantal either
[10:19] <mlankhorst> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-s3virge
[10:22] <mlankhorst> I think only xserver-xorg-video-qxl is the only video driver that quantal has, but the enablement stack doesn't
[10:40] <alkisg> Sorry for the delay, long phone call...
[10:40] <alkisg> So, a user with that card wants to download and use ubuntu
[10:40] <alkisg> He goes to the site, selects 12.04, and gets 12.04.2
[10:41] <alkisg> ...he'd need to google a lot before finding out he should go to some ftp server and locate 12.04.1 instead...
[10:41] <tjaalton> well there is the link to alternative images
[10:41] <alkisg> But anyways the reason I was asking is because we're providing a localized version of 12.04 for schools here,
[10:42] <alkisg> and I'm trying to see if it would be best for those localized CDs to be (updated 12.04.1) or (12.04.02)
[10:43] <alkisg> Considering also the problems with virtualbox (not working at all in 12.04.2), and samba (working only for the first client connection in 12.04.2), maybe it'd be best to stick to "upgraded" 12.04.1 CDs, even if now ubuntu.com/download suggests 12.04.2...
[10:43] <alkisg> Thank you very much guys... :)
[10:43] <tjaalton> the release notes has a link to .1, although it could've mentioned the ancient hw as well and not just virt
[10:49] <mlankhorst> hm virtualbox has issues with 12.04.2? oh right the libpciaccess bug
[10:49] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: ^
[10:49] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1081307
[10:49] <mlankhorst>  or that :P
[10:50] <alkisg> Ah there's another one? Hehe, yet one more reason to stick to 12.04.1+upgrades :)
[10:51] <mlankhorst> no that bug happened when you were in a vm trying to start cd for first time
[10:51] <mlankhorst> it's probably in installation notes
[11:18] <mlankhorst> bryce: http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/ubuntu-x-swat/Reports/package-status-lts-quantal.html doesn't update?
[16:30] <bryce> mlankhorst, hmm, I'll investigate.
[22:33] <darkxst> is mesa going to be updated to 9.0.3?
[22:34] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mesa/+bug/1136475
[22:36] <tjaalton> 9.1 is in staging ppa
[22:46] <darkxst> tjaalton, where is the staging ppa?
[22:47] <bryce> canonical-x/x-staging
[22:47] <tjaalton> right
[22:58] <darkxst> will that be landing in raring soon?
[23:17] <bryce> I should send out an announcement
[23:18] <bryce> the plan had been to hold off until the xserver was formally released, although now with the rolling release stuff being discussed, maybe we should re-think that
[23:49] <darkxst> oh no, its even more broken with the new x server


[00:01] <basenode> how can i get my workspaces from re-arranging themselves every time i plug in/out an external monitor?
[00:27] <TJ-> basenode: how do you mean? application windows changing relative locations?
[00:28] <basenode> TJ-: as in every time i plug in/out my monitor, my windows will rearrange. I want them to just stay as they have been on my primary display, and move/re-arrange only if i do it manually
[00:30] <TJ-> basenode: I operate with 3 monitors here, and 2 at home. The windows will retain their X,Y position BUT, for example, on my 3-monitor config I have a monitor to the left of my laptop then those windows will appear to move to the left. In reality they retain their X,Y but its origin 0,0 moved 1080 pixels to the left!
[00:31] <TJ-> basenode: if you only have monitors to the right of the permanent primary the windows should not move relatively. Same movement would happen with a monitor above the primary since the origin moves vertically to top-left of the external monitor
[00:32] <basenode> TJ-: ah so windows will move as left as possible? so if i move the "virtual" position of my external monitor right to that of my laptop, that should resolve the problem?
[00:33] <TJ-> basenode: it should do, yes. I just drag the windows to where I want them though.
[00:34] <basenode> TJ-: awesome, i'll try that next time, thank you
[00:34] <TJ-> basenode: Like, right now I have a left-rotated (portrait mode) 1080x2560 to the left, 1920x1080 laptop with a 3840x2160 above so the origin moves left and up quite a lot :)
[00:35] <TJ-> basenode: when I unplug so only laptop 1920x1080 is operating most of the windows go 'off-screen' so I have to select them on the taskbar, right-click for the context menu, choose Move, and then bring them back into view
[00:36] <TJ-> basenode: I could write a script to do it of course :)
[01:10] <blahboybaz> How come I show more than one of the same device? $ rfkill list       shows the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yfZ8zz6G5n/
[01:11] <blahboybaz> I'm on (what I believe to be) a stock / box store toshiba satellite laptop that I bought used on craigslist. I don't think it has 2 wifi cards or 2 bluetooth whatevers
[01:16] <TJ-> blahboybaz: usually due to platform-specific 'helpers'
[01:17] <blahboybaz> TJ-: oh ok thanks
[01:17] <TJ-> blahboybaz: looks like you've got a Broadcom wifi chipset (brcmwl-0) and the drivers for those often do non-standard stuff. I'd suspect that is the same device as phy0
[01:18] <blahboybaz> TJ-: That phy0 is a driver?
[01:18] <TJ-> blahboybaz: likewise for hci0 and "Toshiba Bluetooth" - I'm guessing a platform-helper driver has loaded that exposed that
[01:18] <blahboybaz> How do I differentiate hardware from software?
[01:19] <blahboybaz> I'm just trying to make my wireless headphones work (all day)
[01:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: you might be able to figure out the relationships via sysfs; e.g. "ls -l /sys/class/net/" and "ls -l /sys/class/bluetooth/"
[01:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: does any bluetooth work?
[01:19] <cbreak> do they work with some other source? Like a phone?
[01:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: e.g. a BT mouse?
[01:20] <cbreak> do they work if you boot an other OS, like a windows, with your same hardware?
[01:20] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Don't know they are my only bluetooth device. cbreak yes works with phone
[01:20] <blahboybaz> The headphones are about 2 - 3 yrs old hesh2wireless
[01:20] <TJ-> blahboybaz: use the command-line tool to investigate more. "bluetoothctl" and then "help" to get an idea of the commands
[01:21]  * cbreak likes wired headphones, work with much less issues :P
[01:21] <blahboybaz> I don't have another os
[01:21] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Cool I'll check that out
[01:21] <TJ-> blahboybaz: once in bluetoothctl check the host controller is active with "list" and "show"
[01:22] <blahboybaz> oh ok
[01:22] <blahboybaz> $ bluetoothctl help
[01:22] <blahboybaz> [NEW] Controller 28:C2:DD:03:CD:27 newcreation [default]
[01:22] <blahboybaz> Agent registered
[01:22] <TJ-> blahboybaz: assuming those look same (e.g. see mine at https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HJyqjs5xQ5/ )
[01:22] <cbreak> since you have a bluetooth capable phone, you might be able to pair the phone with your computer, for testing
[01:23] <TJ-> blahboybaz: OK, now do "discoverable on" then "scan on" then put your BT headphones into pairing mode and see if they get found. You'll first see just the MAC address then, if you're lucky, their name will eventually be resolved
[01:24] <TJ-> blahboybaz: also, might be worth checking in case they've already been 'seen' so use "devices"
[01:24] <TJ-> blahboybaz: if this shows hope I'll teach you how to pair from bluetoothctl
[01:24] <blahboybaz> I see: https://pastebin.com/k09xnxBW
[01:25] <TJ-> blahboybaz: note that in bluetoothctl you have to use device MAC addresses in commands, and they do tab-complete so you only need to type enough to be unique and then TAB
[01:25] <TJ-> blahboybaz: controller looks good :)
[01:25] <blahboybaz> TJ-: So I have to get the device mac of my headphones in order to use it in some command?
[01:26] <TJ-> blahboybaz: no, it'll be discovered when the device is in pairing mode AND the controller is scanning
[01:26] <TJ-> blahboybaz: "scan on" and device in pairing mode and you should see it reported
[01:27] <blahboybaz> my hadphones say "pairing" audibly after powring on
[01:27] <TJ-> blahboybaz: good
[01:27] <TJ-> blahboybaz: is it currently listed by "devices" ?
[01:27] <blahboybaz> do "list" ?
[01:27] <TJ-> blahboybaz: "devices"
[01:28] <TJ-> blahboybaz: if already there its often useful to "remove <MAC-address>" and start from a fresh scan
[01:28] <blahboybaz> just gives me another line in its shell
[01:28] <TJ-> blahboybaz: OK so no devices currently known
[01:28] <blahboybaz> but ...
[01:29] <TJ-> blahboybaz: so now we want to know if with "scan on" and device in pairing mode, if the device is reported. If not then we need to investigate the Linux kernel messages for clues
[01:29] <blahboybaz> but my headphones always would say "pairing" after turning them on (even without doning any of this - they just don't actually work. Also, iirc, when they do work they have another (second) thing that they say but I don't recall what that is
[01:30] <blahboybaz> TJ-: so do remove <MAC-address> && scan on
[01:30] <blahboybaz> ??
[01:30] <blahboybaz> Then devices ?
[01:31] <Annoyed> Greetings. Ubuntu 18.04, set up with 2 6 TB drives in a raid mirror setup. (not the boot drive) Plan on reworking that machine. If I just recreate the raid array on the new version of Ubuntu, will it see everything on that raid array? Or will I have to futz with it?
[01:31] <TJ-> blahboybaz: can't do 'remove <MAC>' unless 'devices' reported a known device
[01:32] <TJ-> blahboybaz: here's me scanning and discovering a PLT_Legend https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8ZgwFNyK5b/
[01:33] <TJ-> blahboybaz: here's me doing a complete pairing operation for that device: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d4CY4Y9rcX/
[01:33] <blahboybaz> TJ-: It looks like that mac is actually my ethernet ? $ ifconfig shows the same mac address as "ether"
[01:33] <blahboybaz> I'll look at that
[01:35] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Why does what is said in the square brackets change?
[01:35] <TJ-> blahboybaz: the MAC address in bluetooth of the headset should not show up as a network device !
[01:36] <TJ-> blahboybaz: in my case I have "BT 5.0 Mouse" connected so it appears in the command prompt
[01:36] <blahboybaz> TJ-: I don't know what the mac address of the headphones is (whether that one is the headphones or something else)
[01:36] <TJ-> notice command prompts end with a #
[01:36] <blahboybaz> yes
[01:36] <TJ-> blahboybaz: you don't need to know the MAC of the headphones; scanning/discovering will show that
[01:36] <blahboybaz> let me look at your paste again
[01:37] <TJ-> blahboybaz: [CHG] is simply a CHANGE event being reported
[01:37] <TJ-> blahboybaz: when the device is discovered you see a line like "[NEW] Device F4:B6:88:0C:E2:2A PLT_Legend" and from that you have the MAC
[01:38] <TJ-> blahboybaz: sometimes only the MAC is reported intially (BT protocol has to ask the device for its 'friendly name' separately)
[01:39] <TJ-> blahboybaz: if you've not seeing any devices being discovered I suspect there's an issue with the host's bluetooth controller config; possibly missing firmware which we would need to invesigate
[01:40] <ExcessiveAggro> Evening all
[01:41] <blahboybaz> TJ-: So when I turn on my headphones they tell me "pairing"  BEFORE I can enter any command in bluetoothctl.  Nevertheless, I did this (and what I get from it): https://pastebin.com/Ch3qCAQS
[01:42] <ExcessiveAggro> curious... what does everyone use for IRC clients these days?
[01:43] <TJ-> blahboybaz: OK, so the problem seems to be the PC isn't seeing the device. So we ask 2 questions: 1) is there a kernel driver/firmware blob issue (likely due to the "Toshiba Bluetooth" hint) or 2) the bluetooth antenna is disconnected/missing
[01:43] <TJ-> blahboybaz: easiest to check is (1) by reading the kernel log. Show us "pastebinit <( journalctl -k) "
[01:44] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Ok, ...  I did find this article earlier:  Do you think its telling the right thing to do or is that a hack?  https://freedompenguin.com/ubuntu-bluetooth-headphones-fix/
[01:45] <blahboybaz> ^ he's changing config files
[01:47] <TJ-> blahboybaz: that's totally irrelevant - your issue is not discovering any devices
[01:47] <blahboybaz> oh
[01:47] <blahboybaz> ok
[01:47] <TJ-> blahboybaz: that is about upgrading the audio codecs being used for hi quality sound
[01:47] <blahboybaz> oh
[01:48] <TJ-> blahboybaz: show us the kernel log as requested above
[01:48] <blahboybaz> let me scroll up
[01:49] <blahboybaz> one moment
[01:49] <TJ-> blahboybaz: "pastebinit <( journalctl -k) "
[01:50] <blahboybaz> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p6sRjG7CCd/
[01:51] <blahboybaz> now I'm gonna get hacked  :p
[01:52] <TJ-> blahboybaz: line 973 indicates where the "Toshiba Bluetooth" originates: "kernel: toshiba_acpi: Supported laptop features: hotkeys touchpad special-function-keys panel-power-on cooling-method"
[01:52] <blahboybaz> ok
[01:53] <blahboybaz> what does that mean?
[01:53] <TJ-> blahboybaz: line 1001 onwards may indicate your issue: "kernel: bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM43142A0-0930-0225.hcd failed with error -2"
[01:53] <blahboybaz> oh
[01:53] <TJ-> blahboybaz: however, sometimes we see those reports because the driver looks for a list of firmware files and it may in fact load a later item in its list but doesn't tell us!
[01:54] <blahboybaz> I see
[01:54] <blahboybaz> should I google: "kernel: bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM43142A0-0930-0225.hcd failed with error -2"  ?
[01:54] <blahboybaz> Yah, that doesn't help (googling that)
[01:55] <TJ-> blahboybaz: interesting; "apt-file search BCM43142A0-0930-0225.hcd" does not find that file in the Ubuntu archives. What release of Ubuntu are you using? "cat /etc/os-release"
[01:55] <blahboybaz> TJ-: It's 18.04
[01:55] <blahboybaz> bionic beaver?
[01:56] <TJ-> blahboybaz: ah, so relatively older. OK. Give me a few minutes to research that firmware
[01:56] <blahboybaz> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS"
[01:56] <blahboybaz> ok
[01:56] <blahboybaz> ty
[02:00] <TJ-> blahboybaz: ok we have a fix
[02:01] <blahboybaz> cool
[02:01] <TJ-> blahboybaz: so the following: "pushd ~/Downloads; wget https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware/releases/download/v<IP_ADDRESS>5_p3/broadcom-bt-firmware-<IP_ADDRESS>5.deb; sudo dpkg -i broadcom-bt-firmware-<IP_ADDRESS>5.deb"
[02:01] <vimart> out off topic perhaps but perhaps could you recommend where to do a shell account for IRC?
[02:02] <TJ-> blahboybaz: assuming no errors reported we then need to reload the kernel driver, so I'll need more info on what is being used
[02:02] <blahboybaz> ok one moment (( was reading what you said before ) let me try that
[02:04] <TJ-> blahboybaz: these command are fetching a Debian package containing the Broadcom firmware files and installing them
[02:04] <TJ-> blahboybaz: from the github repository at https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware
[02:05] <vimart> out off topic perhaps but perhaps could you recommend where to do a shell account for IRC with weechat?
[02:05] <blahboybaz> TJ-: I think it went ok (see  pm)
[02:05] <TJ-> blahboybaz: my client doesn't allow PMs
[02:06] <blahboybaz> seemed to me that may be sensitive
[02:06] <blahboybaz> oh
[02:06] <TJ-> blahboybaz: but assuming that is installed now lets discover which driver to reload to get you up and working
[02:06] <blahboybaz> well it looked like it did it
[02:06] <blahboybaz> cool
[02:06] <TJ-> blahboybaz: "pastebinit <( lsmod | grep bt )"
[02:06] <TJ-> blahboybaz: this is listing loaded kernel modules with 'bt' in their name
[02:07] <blahboybaz> one moment I'll get that
[02:08] <blahboybaz> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3WjyGgwh4B/
[02:09] <TJ-> blahboybaz: thanks; so we need to unload a few modules then reload and check the kernel log to see if the firmware got loaded
[02:09] <blahboybaz> ok
[02:10] <TJ-> blahboybaz: "sudo modprobe -r btusb" then do "lsmod | grep bt" once again and just tell me if "btbcm" is still listed; if it is then do "sudo modprobe -r btbcm"
[02:11] <blahboybaz> TJ-: $ sudo modprobe -r btusb" then do "lsmod | grep bt
[02:11] <blahboybaz> modprobe: FATAL: Module btusb then do lsmod not found.
[02:11] <blahboybaz> sorry I messed up
[02:11] <blahboybaz> let me try again
[02:11] <TJ-> blahboybaz: hehehe
[02:13] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Nothing is liste (new command line given)
[02:13] <blahboybaz> no output
[02:14] <TJ-> blahboybaz: good; we might be about to fix it then, with "sudo modprobe btusb" then show me lasted kernel log messages with "pastebinit <( journalctl -k -n 100)"
[02:14] <blahboybaz> awesome
[02:14] <blahboybaz> ok
[02:15] <blahboybaz> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rwfrFCDrCY/
[02:16] <TJ-> blahboybaz: no report of missing firmware :)
[02:16] <blahboybaz> nice
[02:16] <blahboybaz> so we can try to connect them again?
[02:16] <TJ-> blahboybaz: now lets go back to "bluetoothctl" and do "scan on" then "pairable on" "default-agent" and set your headset to pairing again and hope it shows up
[02:17] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Do I power the headphones on first or after the commands?
[02:18] <TJ-> blahboybaz: shouldn't matter - pairing/discovery lasts for quite a while
[02:18] <blahboybaz> ok
[02:19] <blahboybaz> It picked up the television and my headphones
[02:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: we're now hoping to see the device show up with a [NEW] message
[02:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: YAY!
[02:19] <blahboybaz> and something else too now
[02:19] <blahboybaz> idk what
[02:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: so you see its MAC address? then do "pair <MAC>"
[02:19] <blahboybaz> let me look
[02:19] <TJ-> blahboybaz: recall TAB-complete works on MAC addresses
[02:20] <blahboybaz> let me try see if they are working --it looks good
[02:21] <TJ-> blahboybaz: also do "trust <MAC>" so they'll auto reconnect
[02:21] <blahboybaz> TJ-: Well maybe I should show you the output (they aren't actually working when I play a youtube video but he output made me think they would
[02:23] <blahboybaz> TJ-: https://pastebin.com/8a47W1SS
[02:23] <blahboybaz> It looks like they connected then disconnected
[02:24] <TJ-> blahboybaz: OK, now you should be able to use the GUI bluetooth applet to control them. Did you "trust D0:8A:22:AC:D5:8A" ?
[02:24] <blahboybaz> TJ-: they are working
[02:24] <TJ-> blahboybaz: using either bluetoothctl ("connect D0:8A:22:AC:D5:8A") or the GUI you should now be able to connect the headset
[02:25] <TJ-> blahboybaz: fab :)
[02:25] <blahboybaz> I did the trust <mac> then powered of then on then they connected and stayed connected I'm listening through them now
[02:25] <TJ-> blahboybaz: a great success
[02:25] <blahboybaz> yay!!
[02:25] <blahboybaz> ty so so much
[02:25] <blahboybaz> I have a room mate who will appreciate it too
[02:26] <TJ-> blahboybaz: Broadcom deviecs cause a lot of this kind of problem, especially on the Wifi side
[02:57] <dman777> hello
[02:58] <dman777> for the server live iso.... is there is a error at the end of the installation and the installer resets. Is there a way I can grab that log before it resets or after if resets?
[03:10] <ExcessiveAggro> Hi all - Trying to make sure my raid array is alerting me via email and this guide I'm using says to put the command in to /etc/rc.local to make sure it runs at boot time.  Ubuntu doesnt appear to use that, is there a diferent location I should put this command?
[03:31] <skyliner_369> what's a good IDE for all variants of C and possibly Vulkan too?
[03:36] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: mdadm can be configured to do that itself via mdadm.conf when configured to use --monitor mode
[03:36] <ExcessiveAggro> I was using this guide - https://ioflood.com/blog/2015/04/21/setting-up-software-raid-mdadm-status-alert-emails-for-failed-drives-in-centos-ubuntu-and-debian/
[03:36] <ExcessiveAggro> he claims you have to add that --monitor command to some startup area or it wont start again after reboot
[03:44] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: mdadm comes with the monitor services ; mdmonitor.service - so just needs configuration, see /etc/default/mdadm where AUTOSCAN=true; services are controlled via systemd units now and you can list all those available with "dpkg -L mdadm | grep systemd" -- note those timers. You could alter "mdmonitor-oneshot.timer" which triggers "mdmonitor-oneshot.service"
[03:46] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: currently its set to daily; so assuming you have /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf configured for email with a program set to be executed you should be sorted (I recall that recently mdadm's dependency on an email sending agent was removed so you may need to investigate that aspect)
[03:46] <ExcessiveAggro> ok that's great news
[03:46] <ExcessiveAggro> Then I might be done already lol
[03:47] <ExcessiveAggro> I did configure /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
[03:48] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: and I recommend you read the recent changelog carefully because it does provide some info " less /usr/share/doc/mdadm/changelog.Debian.gz "
[03:48] <ExcessiveAggro> I've done some echos from the command line and messages are going out in that respect.  And I did a mdadm --test and a message also went out.  If the daily checks are running than I could be good to go
[03:48] <ExcessiveAggro> I will check that out also - thanks so much
[03:50] <ExcessiveAggro> Dann Frazier appears to be the man - hes all over this changelog
[04:08] <ExcessiveAggro> TJ: Thanks again for your help.  I just did a --fail on one of my disks so I will wait and see if it alerts me :)  do you know where i can find more detail on the options available in the [timer]
[04:14] <ExcessiveAggro> TJ: I think I found information on how to modify the TIMER... any idea on how i can resetart the mdadm monitor to reload the timer?
[04:18] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: you don't need to
[04:18] <ExcessiveAggro> I changed it from daily to minutely - just to see if it would detect the failed disk
[04:19] <ExcessiveAggro> but it didnt appear to accept the change.  So I did a sudo systemctl restart mdmonitor.service and it emailed me
[04:20] <ExcessiveAggro> So I think I'm all good.  Thanks again for your help.  I hope I can be as much help to others eventually
[04:20] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: for changing the timer just create a drop-in, which can be done automatically with "sudo systemctl edit mdmonitor-oneshot.timer" and entering just the stanza heading and command you want, e.g: "[Timer]" "Calendar=..." <-- your setting
[04:20] <ExcessiveAggro> oh the drop-in : I will have to read up on that.  Still new here
[04:21] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: those drop-ins get put in /etc/systemd/system/<service-name>.d/
[04:21] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: so they add-to, or override existing, options in the package shipped unit files
[04:22] <ExcessiveAggro> got it - I need to go read a bit on systemd.
[04:22] <TJ-> ExcessiveAggro: it's very elegant and predictable compared to the old shell-script based sysv init methods
[04:22] <ExcessiveAggro> Any issues with the restart method I did?  Making sure I didnt break anything
[05:18] <Bugg3d> Ubuntu ...
[05:19] <matsaman> Ubuuuuunnnttuuuu ...
[05:19] <Enitin> utnubU
[06:09] <Bugg3d> +t
[07:04] <skyliner_369> who knows the ACTUAL name for the theme simply named "dark" in the settings?
[07:05] <skyliner_369> I believe it has a name and I want to import the color theme to a thing but I have no idea what it's even called
[07:06] <tomreyn> skyliner_369: what have you done so far in an attempt to find out?
[07:08] <skyliner_369> failed at basic googling, forgot where I even found the name before, and came here
[07:09] <tomreyn> sound slike a good start. are you into apt and dpkg commands, yet?
[07:10] <tomreyn> those are for managing and quering package information. and this theme must be packaged somehoe, i guess we can agree on?
[07:10] <skyliner_369> I do plenty of that. I was actually looking to import the theme to KDevelop so it stops frying my eyeballs.
[07:11] <skyliner_369> it seems to be called yaru-dark
[07:11] <skyliner_369> yeah. I found it. tweaks.
[07:12] <tomreyn> nice
[07:15] <skyliner_369> I much prefer dark themes. they're much, much more pleasant to look at. A white sheet of paper is fine because it's never brighter than the surrounding environment. a white screen on the other hand...
[07:25]  * CaptainSnowball says hello to everyone
[09:23] <Lucas2021> Hi everyone
[09:24] <Lucas2021> I have a problem installing one programm, I think it could be a video driver. Can anyone help me ?
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> Lucas2021: whats the issue please
[09:34] <Lucas2021> lotuspsychje: Hi. I'm trying to install a software and this message appears in the terminal: "DefaultRenderingErrorListener.errorOccurred: CONTEXT_CREATION_ERROR: Renderer: Error creating Canvas3D graphics context for queryProperties() IDV"
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> Lucas2021: whats the packagename you trying to install on wich ubuntu version please?
[09:39] <Lucas2021> lotuspsychje: Ubuntu version is 20.04.1 LTS and I don't know how to find the Linux update for my graphic card, the graphic card is Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics 630 (CML GT2). I tried updating Mesa but the issue is still here, on the Intel website I can't find anything helpful
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> Lucas2021: thank you, can you pastebin the whole output in a pastebin after; sudo apt install your-package-here?
[09:41] <Lucas2021> lotuspsychje: thank you. I'm a beginner on Ubuntu, what is a pastebin?
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> Lucas2021: its a website that can hold your paste info and share the link in this channel, so volunteers can help you better, understanding what your issue is about
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> !paste | Lucas2021
[09:54] <sdk__> How long has been since all of the members in this IRS has been using Ubuntu, want to hear the side of the story ?
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | sdk__
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[09:58] <Lucas2021>
[09:58] <Lucas2021> Hi everyone. I have an issue with a software  called IDV. The installation is ok but, when I try to launch the software, the terminal return an error:
[09:58] <Lucas2021> "3D [dev] 1.6.0-pre12-daily-experimental daily
[09:58] <oerheks> don't copy like that, the freenode server goes bonkers.
[09:58] <oerheks> see the paste factoid, thanks
[09:59] <Lucas2021> For what I found on internet, it seems that a video card driver update is needed but I can't figure out how to do that.
[09:59] <Lucas2021> The video card is Mesa Intel® UHD Graphics 630 (CML GT2) .
[09:59] <Lucas2021> If you need other informations just ask me.
[09:59] <Lucas2021> I hope you help me find a solution. thanks a lot.
[09:59] <Lucas2021> Thanks. This is the Url for my paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bkDxDXVbGr/
[09:59] <Lucas2021>  Thanks. This is the Url for my paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bkDxDXVbGr/
[09:59] <oerheks> no bots, thanks
[10:11] <Lucas2021> hi
[10:11] <Lucas2021> I have the Url for my issue  : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bkDxDXVbGr/
[10:19] <oerheks> what is IDV exactly? url?
[10:20] <Lucas2021> IDV is a geoscience software
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> Lucas2021: On Linux or Unix environments, users start the IDV with the runIDV command from the installation directory, did you do that?
[10:23] <tomreyn> maybe you shouldn't try just version "1.6.0-pre12-daily-experimental daily" but also the latest stable release
[10:24] <Lucas2021> Yes and when I do that, then come out the error in the url above.
[10:25] <tomreyn> maybe try a different openjdk/openjre version
[10:26] <Lucas2021> tomreyn: thanks
[11:29] <EugenA> I'm running ubuntu 20.04 (arm), created new user, its desktop looks kind of different than default one
[11:30] <EugenA> default user has mate desktop with simple drop-down app menu..
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> !arm | EugenA see also
[11:51] <Lucas2021> tomreyn: unfortunately don't work
[12:13] <fwef64> Hi, I'm running the latest LTS (20.04) and I'd like to upgrade a package called bolt. The version on 20.04 is 0.8-4 and on 20.10 it's 0.8-1. Is there any way I could use just that single package from 20.10 without upgrading the whole system?
[12:14] <fwef64> Sorry, on 20.10 it's 0.9-1, not 0.8-1.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> !info bolt
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> fwef64: see !backports or !pinning
[12:15] <fwef64> !backports
[12:15] <fwef64> !pinning
[12:16] <fwef64> lotuspsychje: thanks!
[12:44] <geosmile> Any ideas on how to remove this file --> rm "'--exclude=input_dir'"
[12:44] <geosmile> rm: cannot remove ''\''--exclude=input_dir'\''': No such file or directory
[12:46] <oerheks> what is the exact command used?
[12:50] <okamis> So I connected a soon failing hdd and I got a notification that I should backup it asap. Is there a way to get that warning on a headless system?
[12:52] <kubast2> is there no man page for pidfd_getfd in a 5.8.0 kernel man-pages tree?
[12:52] <kubast2> Just asking I couldn't find popos irc channel seems like their 20.04 lts lacks pidfd_getfd manpage
[12:52] <kubast2> was it just not part of a 5.8.0 man-pages tree?
[12:53] <kubast2> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Pop!_OS 20.04 LTS"
[12:53] <kubast2> wait right
[12:53] <oerheks> okamis, smartmontools, like this;https://blog.technicalfever.com/2018/01/11/Setup-SMART-on-ubuntu-server/  and span a notification when you log in with ssh
[12:54] <oerheks> kubast2, no pop-os support here, but you have been told that before.
[12:54] <geosmile> oerheks, i typed the exact command
[12:54] <kubast2> Really, I haven't used popos much before
[12:54] <kubast2> hmm
[12:54] <geosmile> '--exclude=input_dir' ---> ls shows me this filename
[12:54] <Deano59> Lies.
[12:55] <kubast2> yeah I don't think I have asked for anything before, well on freenode you can use someone else's nickname and login as the other anyway so
[12:55] <oerheks>  rm "'--exclude=input_dir'" has too many quotations? >  rm "--exclude=input_dir"
[12:55] <kubast2> I doubt anyone would want to use it though well cya I will just see the name of the man page files and install the according package
[12:55] <kubast2> bye
[12:58] <geosmile> oerheks, rm ./'--exclude=input_dir' -- this did the trick
[14:36] <alnr> how to change gnome-shell css (eg top panel font). instructions i've seen say it should be in /usr/share/themes/<chosen-theme>/gnome-shell/gnome-shell.css, but none of the thems seem to have a a gnome-shell folder
[14:40] <oerheks> alnr, i think you want ubuntu.css https://askubuntu.com/questions/1175074/difference-between-gnome-shell-css-and-ubuntu-css-and-what-are-they-for
[14:42] <alnr> i had tried to change the default one to no avail. i have some theme adwaita-dark. now i'm reading, that i have to create the gnome-shell folder and within that, the gnome-shell.css
[14:48] <ktosiek> I'm getting a very long "kernel" boot time from systemd-analyze: Startup finished in 17.684s (firmware) + 3.523s (loader) + 49.802s (kernel) + 1min 51.608s (userspace) = 3min 2.619s - how should I go about debugging that?
[14:51] <tomreyn> ktosiek: systemd-analyze blame
[14:51] <tomreyn> also critical-chain
[14:52] <ktosiek> tomreyn: thanks, but I think that only shows userspace, and it's the "49s (kernel)" I'm worried about
[14:52] <tomreyn> you're right, that's both userspace only.
[14:53] <tomreyn> i'm not actually sure what exactly to do about the kernel
[14:53] <tomreyn> but you can take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Debugging and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelDebuggingTricks
[14:54] <tomreyn> also perf may help
[14:56] <tomreyn> the really unusually long time in your list is userspace, though
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:59] <ktosiek> it is long, but "graphical.target" finishes at ~8s (with gdm < ~3s), so I'm not really concerned - I think things like TeamViewer and virtualisation networking (Docker, libvirt) take long time to start. graphical.target is done at ~8s
[15:00] <oerheks> such info would be helpfull indeed, blame teamviewer
[15:00] <ktosiek> can't really blame TV for the long kernel time, though :-)
[15:01] <oerheks> encrypted install?
[15:02] <ktosiek> yes, but wouldn't the time I took to enter password count against some userspace service?
[15:03] <ktosiek> or is the "kernel time" everything from starting the kernel to starting systemd?
[15:03] <oerheks> that might save 10 sec?
[15:05] <ktosiek> I've got to reboot anyway, let's see if it's better if I type the password on time
[15:05] <tomreyn> "kernel time" would start after (boot) loader / grub and last until starting systemd, i would think. if you have FDE on / and enter the passphrase during early boot this should could against initrd, so 'kernel'
[15:06] <tomreyn> performance issue exists between keyboard and chair, i'd say. ;-)
[15:07] <oerheks> disable teamviewer service, i'd say.
[15:08] <ktosiek> thank you! It does seem the "kernel time" is mostly me typing in the password ^_^
[15:11] <tomreyn> better run some benchmarks on this user, maybe they are showing wear-out effects and need to be replaced.
[15:11] <ktosiek> the teamviewer service doesn't seem to add much to the critical path, I'm more worried about 5s of NetworkManager-wait-online.service (and why is it needed on a desktop, with local authentication and home directories)
[15:21] <ktosiek> disabled that, now waiting for plymouth is taking 3s. Well, I've got 2s better, that's still something :-D
[15:33] <fbiaaa> hello! I mapped caps lock to ctrl/escape using xcape and put the mapping commands to .profile file the thing is I have to manaully source the profile file - otherwise those commands aren't working. Where should I put them instead?
[16:04] <grosboulet> Hello, I need help to configure ufw.
[16:05] <okamis> Hi, Im misunderstanding lvm, I got an ext hdd, using it as physical volume, does it mean its locked to that host forever? That I cannot mount it to another host?
[16:06] <grosboulet> I want to allow sh (22) from my home and my parents, for world, I want to hide ssh (22) but redirect 2222 to ssh ?
[16:07] <grosboulet> okamis: in another host with lvm, you can mount your hdd :)
[16:08] <oerheks> sud ufw allow ssh
[16:08] <oerheks> its a short-name
[16:08] <oerheks> oh, missed the 2nd part, you want to bridge 2222 to 22 internally?
[16:09] <grosboulet> oerheks: yes!
[16:10] <grosboulet> oerheks: I did ufw allow from myHome to any port ssh and ufw allow 2222/tcp... I add rule in before.rules for nat...
[16:11] <ikonia> allow ia not forwarding
[16:11] <oerheks> some example, in the 1st answer
[16:11] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1148856/facing-problem-in-forwarding-traffic-on-port-2222-to-docker-172-17-0-2-22
[16:12] <ikonia> why do you actually want to forward the traffic between ports
[16:12] <ikonia> what is the problem you are trying to solve
[16:12] <oerheks> hide 22 to the world?
[16:13] <grosboulet> oerheks: If I try to connect to port 2222 from another server (so not my home or parents' home), I can not connect (time out) but if I do ufw allow OpenSSH I can from everywhere connect to 2222 and 22...
[16:13] <ikonia> why though ?
[16:13] <oerheks> one can easier run ssh on 22222 than changing ports
[16:13] <ikonia> but why
[16:13] <ikonia> what's the actual problem - rather than the soution
[16:14] <okamis> ikonia because a lot of bots spamming port 22. Remember myself getting hacked once
[16:14] <ikonia> they will port knock 22222 too
[16:14] <ikonia> changing ports won't do anything
[16:14] <ikonia> hence why I'm asking what is the 'problem'
[16:15] <okamis> I agree that the second port grosboulet chose is not optimal. Anyway I will let grosboulet answer what hes trying to solve
[16:17] <grosboulet> ikonia: at work, I can not connect to port 22 but my company allow 2222... So at work, I want to connect to port 2222 and at home whith 22... After opening 2222 to world, I want to set portknock to hide 2222 :)
[16:17] <ikonia> grosboulet: why not just set ssh to listen on 2 ports
[16:17] <ikonia> or run two instances
[16:18] <ikonia> that way you can shutdown / startup
[16:18] <grosboulet> the 2222 port is an example, my company allow another port :)
[16:18] <ikonia> yeah, I get that, but it doesn't change the answer
[16:18] <ikonia> I also suspect trying to bypass your works network rules will not end well for you
[16:18] <okamis> lvm question: so I remove my ext-hdd but I still see /dev/ext-hdd/lv1  how do I update that to reflect reality?
[16:19] <ikonia> okamis: remove the volume
[16:19] <ikonia> or set it to active no
[16:19] <ikonia> putting an external harddisk under lvm control is not a good idea
[16:19] <okamis> so its better to just have 2 partitions and run ext4 on them directly?
[16:20] <ikonia> okamis: if its an external usb style disk - I would say yes
[16:21] <okamis> yeah, it sort of is and isnt, but is, I had a feeling. Alright thank you for the guidance.
[16:21] <grosboulet> ikonia: 2 process for same service ? My company allow my to use ssh, but only for 2222 port :)
[16:22] <ikonia> grosboulet: carry on then
[16:26] <grosboulet> ikonia: I does not know that sshd can listen on multiple port. Thanks for your help
[16:26] <oerheks> edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set port to what you want
[16:27] <grosboulet> done, it works!
[16:27] <grosboulet> now, I have to read doc for ufw and podman :)
[16:50] <ypiel> Hello, I would like to upgrade a laptop that is 19.10 to last LST. But it seems that 19.10 is no more supported at all. How can I update ? thanks
[16:50] <coXZist> anyone having issues switching ttys in UB20.04 or is it just me ?   -_-
[16:52] <oerheks> !eolupgrade | ypiel
[16:53] <oerheks> you must not have touched that machine in 6 months
[16:54] <coXZist> oerheks: like an ugly girlfriend....lol
[17:07] <knstn> Hello. Has anyone ever decreased m from its default 5% to 1% on a drive? Is there a chance of losing data?
[17:09] <ypiel> @coXZist  lol
[17:10] <ypiel> @oerheks : yes I don't use this laptop often
[17:11] <ypiel> When I do 'do-release-upgrade' the response is 'Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore.'
[17:11] <cmdaltescape> JayDoubleu, i had one question about proxmox:  is it necessary to get a raid-controller, or some sort of PCI device to "feed" the VM a bunch of hard drives when making a ZFS pool? (or do normal SATA ports suffice?)
[17:13] <oerheks> ypiel, see ubottu
[17:25] <mort> is it actually that hard for bluetoothtl to print anything other than org.bluez.Error.Failed every time anything goes on
[17:25] <mort> goes wrong*
[17:26] <jeremy31> mort: Is it Broadcom Bluetooth?
[17:26] <mort> no, but that's not the point
[17:27] <mort> bluetoothd knows exactly why it's failing, it even prints the reasons in logs, it just... doesn't send the information about why it failed over dbus apparently?
[17:30] <jeremy31> mort: sounds like a bug that needs reported
[17:31] <mort> I don't think it's a bug, it's been that way forever and most dbus-based *ctl commands also don't really print errors in a useful way
[17:50] <JayDoubleu> cmdaltescape: normal hardware is ok , no need for some fancy raid controllers
[18:02] <atul1090> I am following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MovingLinuxPartition guide from moving ubuntu 20.04 partition from one harddisk to another. My new harddisk is nvme disk (and it got mounted as /dev/nvme0n1p1) and I am not sure what should I use for hd number for this disk (in Step5 of guide). Can someone help me do that or something which I can
[18:02] <atul1090> follow to achieve the same?
[18:05] <garyserj> anybody here use apache? i'm stuck trying to get php running
[18:05] <garyserj> i've done apt-get install php libapache2-mod-php     But it's still not seeing my php file when I do curl <IP_ADDRESS>/index.php
[18:28] <tatertotz> garyserj: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes/no
[19:00] <punkgeek> is /etc/rc.local script file disabled in the new ubuntu versions?
[19:00] <ikonia> punkgeek: don't believe so
[19:00] <ikonia> thought it was one of the last units systemd executed
[19:02] <punkgeek> So how can I run a command after startrup without login?
[19:02] <ikonia> there are many ways
[19:02] <ikonia> what are you trying to actually do
[19:02] <punkgeek> only running a shell script file
[19:02] <ikonia> that does what.....
[19:06] <punkgeek> What is the simplest way? rather than systemd
[19:10] <ikonia>  what do you want to do
[19:17] <knstn> man 5 systemd.timer
[19:18] <knstn> man 5 crontab
[19:25] <geosmile> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W92zYFrKxm/ - any ideas how to fix this "apt upgrade" issue?
[19:26] <ikonia> geosmile: my word, what version of ubuntu is that
[19:29] <ikonia> 18.04 ?
[19:32] <geosmile> yes
[19:33] <knstn> I have an external HDD 2TB. Is it safe to to "tune2fs -m 1 /dev/..." ? The default 5% that holds for root is too much.
[19:33] <ikonia> that's a very odd warning
[19:33] <geosmile> ikonia, i'm just trying to apt upgrade the machine
[19:33] <ikonia> knstn: it's not too much
[19:34] <ikonia> geosmile: was this an 18.04 install, or was it something else that got upgraded to 18.04 ?
[19:36] <asdf28> knstn yes it is, i set it to 2%
[19:36] <geosmile> ikonia, this is 18.04 from aws
[19:36] <asdf28> no problems so far
[19:36] <geosmile> I used one of their ami's - and got  into this
[19:36] <geosmile> ikonia, so it should be a fresh install
[19:37] <ikonia> geosmile: the two things I'd heck is first remove the package from the cache and re-update see if the error persists, also check your 'env' status and make sure LD_LIBRARY_PATH is set correctly
[19:37] <ikonia> asdf28: it's set correctly, leave it alone
[19:41] <asdf28> why? what can possibly happen?
[19:42] <asdf28> i lowered it because it made the partition backups too big
[19:47] <oerheks> ikonia, interesting answer: https://askubuntu.com/a/1301306 -- sudo fuser -kv /var/cache/debconf/config.dat && sudo apt --fix-broken install
[19:47] <oerheks> i see this a lot with multiarch i386 installed
[19:53] <ikonia> I thought multi-arch had long gone though now
[19:53] <ikonia> with the dropping of 32bit
[20:17] <davyde84> hi! I'm tryin to install this package libglu1-mesa-dev but i have issues with dependencies
[20:17] <davyde84> https://pastebin.com/g9RHDPeJ
[20:23] <oerheks> davyde84, did you use a ppa like this? https://launchpad.net/~kisak/+archive/ubuntu/kisak-mesa
[20:24] <oerheks> kisak~b in the names gave me a clue
[20:25] <davyde84> yes...
[20:25] <davyde84> https://termbin.com/dsrw
[20:25] <davyde84> this is my sources.list
[20:26] <oerheks> i see ..
[20:26] <davyde84> i neither remember why that ppa...
[20:27] <oerheks> not sure, you must have had a reason, for QT, nvidia, something like that
[20:27] <oerheks> reverse it with ppa-purge..
[20:27] <oerheks> !ppa-purge
[20:31] <davyde84> sudo ppa-purge ppa:ppa:kisak/kisak-mesa
[20:31] <davyde84> like this?
[20:31] <oerheks> jups
[20:32] <davyde84> davyde@Star-Pc:~/mudlet/build$ sudo ppa-purge ppa:kisak/kisak-mesa
[20:32] <davyde84> Updating packages lists
[20:32] <davyde84> PPA to be removed: kisak kisak-mesa
[20:32] <davyde84> Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: kisak kisak-mesa
[20:32] <davyde84> davyde@Star-Pc:~/mudlet/build$
[20:32] <davyde84> shit
[20:34] <oerheks> ppa:kisak/kisak-mesa should be correct
[20:34] <ioria> try sudo ppa-purge -d focal ppa:kisak/kisak-mesa davyde84
[20:34] <ioria> sorry
[20:34] <ioria> try sudo ppa-purge -d bionic ppa:kisak/kisak-mesa davyde84
[20:35] <davyde84> nothing.. maybe because i delete that from the gui when i tried to upgrade version?
[20:35] <ioria> reenable it
[20:35] <oerheks> yes, add it again, update, and ppa-purge
[20:36] <oerheks> should be possible within one session
[20:37] <oerheks> yoir previous sources.list paste suggested it was enabled
[20:37] <davyde84> seems working
[20:38] <davyde84> wow and i installed my package!
[20:40] <davyde84> yuuh!!!! thanks!!!!!!
[20:40] <davyde84> love u!
[20:40] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:41] <davyde84> now i can play with sounds in a MUD !! if you know what they are aahaha
[20:41] <davyde84> thanks again and goodnight
[21:28] <egrain> is there no disable subtitles key in totem?
[21:29] <zeek> someone still using ship script from github ?
[21:30] <ikonia> what from github ?
[21:31] <oerheks> egrain, i just checked, it does not, indeed. it is available in the menu though
[21:32] <egrain> thanks.
[21:50] <harovali> hi, I have a Virtual Private Server in my local telco which runs Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS. The telco runs this in some sort of hypervisor, I think it is Microsoft Azure. I run this for 10 months fine. The telco had a hardware issue on January 1th night, and relocated my VPS. After much struggle without knowing what would happen, the VPS was accessible. However (continues)
[21:51] <harovali> some services weren't correctly started, f.i. sshd.service reportes /var/run/sshd directory missing running systemctl status (cont'd)
[21:51] <harovali> gnu screen also failed to start with the same structure of problem, namely, /var/run/screen was missing
[21:52] <ikonia> put the directories back ?
[21:52] <ikonia> or use this as an excuse to upgrade to a current distro
[21:52] <harovali> after some googling, I saw a sort of this problem reported, and put the directories back as ikonia  said
[21:53] <harovali> particularly /var/run/sshd and /var/run/screen
[21:53] <harovali> this made those two programs work
[21:54] <harovali> however, I have trouble with some sort of intertwined lock betweetn systemd and apt subsystem
[21:54] <harovali> ikonia: it would be nice if I could find a wayd for this to run
[21:54] <ikonia> so what's the problem ?
[21:55] <harovali> especially the problem with systemd/ apt  I don't know which /var/run directories might be missing
[21:55] <ikonia> just start each service and fix the errors
[21:56] <harovali> I thought this could be a friendly channel, I'll insist though
[21:56] <ikonia> ?
[21:56] <zenen> hey is this an appropriate channel for getting help with ubuntu servers?
[21:56] <ikonia> yup
[21:57] <zenen> nice! so I'm trying to attach some raspberry pi's running ubuntu server to my LAN using a network switch
[21:57] <harovali> ikonia: please see this output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tFVNWJ9T8K/
[21:58] <harovali> ikonia: I'd be very thankful to anyone who helps me understand what might be missing
[21:58] <zenen> I'm using the switch for the computer I'm on right now and the connection is fine. when I'm using the ubuntu servers, I can't ping anything outside of localhost
[21:58] <zeek> guys a little help pls , i have a file that runs with this command : bash filex  // and i want to run it without using 'bash' upfront..
[21:58] <ikonia> harovali: so read the var.conf file and looks for duplicates
[21:59] <ikonia> harovali: I'd also suggest you are missing user accounrs as it can't set the owners correctly
[21:59] <zenen> zeek: I think that putting a #!/bin/bash on the top of the file should make it executable
[21:59] <zeek> i will try, thx
[21:59] <zenen> more info here: https://bash.cyberciti.biz/guide/Shebang
[21:59] <harovali> ikonia: please see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X8J68Fbctw/   ( my /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/var.conf )
[22:00] <ikonia> zenen: are the machines on the  network
[22:00] <zenen> I don't know what you mean by that. They are plugged into the network switch, which is attached to the main router
[22:00] <zenen> ip route is null
[22:00] <harovali> ikonia: can't find any dups
[22:01] <ikonia> zenen: are they getting IP's
[22:01] <ikonia> is there a dhcp server offering them IP's
[22:01] <zenen> There is, but they aren't making contact with the server
[22:01] <ikonia> harovali: that looks good so you can ignore that warning
[22:01] <zenen> oh, I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:01] <ikonia> zenen: are they asking for a dhcp address ?
[22:01] <harovali> ikonia: thanks
[22:02] <zenen> I'm not sure
[22:02] <zenen> where would that information be located?
[22:02] <ikonia> harovali: there is the named bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1804847
[22:02] <ikonia> zenen: ok - so that's the first thing you should have a look at
[22:02] <harovali> ikonia: this looks strange https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TfxNShv77M/  ( my /etc/fstab )   because I see no /run entry. Is that right ?
[22:02] <ikonia> zenen: are the pi's asking for an IP
[22:03] <ikonia> harovali: that looks normal
[22:03] <zenen> I don't believe so. I want them to have static IPs because they'll be acting as servers
[22:04] <ikonia> zenen: have you configured them to have static IP's
[22:04] <zeek> zenen, i have this on top of the file #! /usr/bin/env bash
[22:05] <zenen> ikonia: no I have not
[22:05] <zeek> is about ship script (network tool)
[22:05] <ikonia> zenen: so they are not using dhcp and you've not configured an IP
[22:05] <ikonia> zenen: how do you expect them to be on the network ?
[22:05] <zenen> ahaha when I plugged them in the first time, directly to the router, they worked properly
[22:05] <ikonia> zenen: that means they are using dhcp
[22:06] <zenen> oops, okay
[22:06] <oerheks> netplan perhaps..
[22:06] <ikonia> zenen: so are they getting an IP now
[22:07] <harovali> ikonia: however, shoudn't systemd-tmpfiles --create run without issues instead of the paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tFVNWJ9T8K/ ?
[22:07] <ikonia> harovali: it depends
[22:07] <ikonia> harovali: it maybe failing quite correctly
[22:07] <harovali> ikonia: hmm
[22:09] <zenen> omg
[22:10] <zenen> ikonia: i realised that i toggled dhcp off in my netplan as I was going to configure static ip
[22:10] <zenen> i fixed it up, restarted and now it's back on the network
[22:11] <harovali> ikonia: then I have this problem which I mentioned , the intertwined systemd / apt whatever corruption or missing whatever. Especially, I'm trying to install a package named dovecot. apt-get install dovecot-core  runs for TWO MINUTES and fails. this is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5BVkhYrmCg/
[22:11] <ikonia> why are you trying to install new things on a broken sysstem
[22:11] <ikonia> that's just asking for a problem - fix it, get it stable
[22:11] <ikonia> then decide what to do
[22:11] <harovali> ikonia: I think something is corrupted, but whatever apt-get install -f   or dpgk-reconfigure I try to run, hangs with the same problem
[22:12] <ikonia> you're just running random commands
[22:12] <ikonia> you already know the file system has problems
[22:12] <harovali> ikonia: yes that's true
[22:13] <oerheks> dovecot on an ancient 16.04 .. i would start all over with a fresh 18.04 or higher
[22:13] <harovali> oerheks: thanks
[22:14] <harovali> ikonia: thanks
[22:28] <zeek> zenen, thx worked..
[22:28] <zenen> nice! good to hear
[22:29] <zeek> also i tryed to export path to .bashrc  with no succes , but worked when moved the file to /usr/local/bin ..
[22:29] <zeek> i need to learn how to export to .bashrc
[22:29] <zeek> im so new in linux :D but i love it
[22:42] <XV8> !info ssh
[22:43] <XV8> key exchange authentication appears to be broken with this version of ssh
[22:43] <ikonia> really ?
[22:43] <ikonia> seems to be working ok for everyone else
[22:44] <XV8> When I use ssh-keygen as my own user, tells me I generate the keys with perms that are too permissive (this is what is default). After changing the public key to 0600. After using ssh-copy-id to all of my target hosts and trying to connect with the key, I get this error: Load key "/home/$user/.ssh/id_rsa.pub": invalid format
[22:45] <XV8> Looking on Google, appears to be an upstream bug with SSH
[22:45] <ikonia> how is it working for everyone else ?
[22:46] <ikonia> XV8: what does the public key format look like
[22:46] <ikonia> (when it says it's invalid)
[22:47] <XV8> It's a single line: ssh-rsa <$KEY> $user@host
[22:48] <XV8> no whitespace in key either
[22:48] <ikonia> you're doing this on a 20.04 machine ?
[22:48] <XV8> 20.04.1 LTS
[23:05] <XV8> ikonia https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ySjXnSJphG/
[23:05] <kotek14> Sup. Does anyone know if they're going to fix ALC294 sound card on 20.04? It used to work normally on 5.4.0-42. Now I don't get any sound from laptop speakers.
[23:06] <ikonia> kotek14: is there a bug logged
[23:07] <kotek14> ikonia I sent a bug report in December but it haven't moved since https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1908286
[23:07] <ikonia> kotek14: then how would anyone know if it's going to be fixed
[23:08] <ikonia> XV8: I'm just grabbing a 20.04 box
[23:08] <kotek14> I know that many users had trouble with ALC294, that's why I asked
[23:08] <XV8> also fysa, these target hosts are running in lxc containers
[23:09] <ikonia> kotek14: ....but many users don't matter, the bug report and status does
[23:09] <kotek14> ikonia, Alright then, I'll just keep my fingers (and toes) crossed
[23:10] <kotek14> Thank you
[23:27] <Hash> Hello
[23:27] <Hash> If you image an ubuntu partition/drive and restore it on a diff pc, will it work?
[23:28] <Hash> By diff pc I mean cpu/hardware config
[23:31] <kotek14> Hash: Depends. If your original machine had several drives in /etc/fstab, it's going to get messy
[23:32] <kotek14> Happened to me before
[23:32] <kotek14> Hash: what is your goal?
[23:39] <Hash> Well, I went to microcenter and bought this: https://i.imgur.com/dfEjBya.png
[23:39] <Hash> Going to make a new pc, and put my drives in there. Trying to not have to reinstall linux
[23:39] <Hash> So I figured, if just move this drive to a new hardware setup, since it's a default kernel, not customized, hw should be detected and work fine
[23:40] <Hash> I'd just need to modify any other drives montpoints etc. etc.
[23:40] <Hash> My only question/concer is regarding hw change underneath. Windows fails to work if you do this, but I expect linux to kind of work it out
[23:41] <Hash> I'll check it out. It's a 128gb ssd with / and /home. I'll try to boot it in the new system and see how that goes.
[23:43] <kotek14> Yeah, that should work if you move over drives. Keep your fingers (and toes) crossed
[23:45] <Hash> I always keep my toes crossed.
[23:48] <XV8> ikonia interesting.  I was trying to authenticate with the public key, not the private key. /facepalm
[23:53] <XV8> That's why it was complaining about the format.
[23:53]  * XV8 needs more coffee
[23:54] <mefistofeles> XV8: try less :)
[23:54] <XV8> mefistofeles I do need to drink more water, that is a fact, lol