[00:01] <diddledan> I think I want a pizza
[00:01] <daftykins> at midnight :o
[00:05] <diddledan> midnight feast :-p
[00:05] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:06] <daftykins> i've been murdering twiglets all evening
[00:06]  * diddledan sings the twiglet zone music
[00:06] <daftykins> there was music!?
[00:06]  * penguin42 murdered an Aldi chocolate Reindeer earlier - it was very nice (and cheap)
[00:06] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
[00:07] <diddledan> I love murdering chocolate creatures of all kinds
[00:07] <Elions> popey: Are you there? I have a question I need to ask you
[00:07] <diddledan> I killed a chocolate santa the other day
[00:08] <diddledan> Elions: always to the left
[00:08] <Elions> popey: What plugin do you use to post your podcast automatically to an RSS feed? I don't know if you remember me but i'm Azelphur's friend who was trying to set up a Bitcoin Podcast
[00:08] <Elions> See, our RSS poster at the moment seems to make it impossible to put out podcast on Itunes
[00:08] <ali1234> bitcoins?
[00:09] <Elions> ali1234: Yup.  Which one was it?
[00:09] <ali1234> good guy op didn't steal all the funds, so there's that
[00:10] <ali1234> bitquestion
[00:10] <popey> Elions: wordpress + podpress
[00:10] <diddledan> bitcoins are a bit of a wild west atm
[00:10] <diddledan> lots of early scams
[00:10] <diddledan> it'll settle down I guess like the west did
[00:10] <Elions> popey: Thank you. I was looking for it but wordpress' search engine is basically useless.
[00:11] <diddledan> so we'll end up with all the beautiful people there making movies
[00:11] <daftykins> Elions: the admin pages have a plugin search mechanism
[00:11] <ali1234> that's the same thing
[00:11] <Elions> daftykins: Yeah, that's the one I was using
[00:11] <Elions> Anyhow, thank you very much popey. Sorry if I interrupted anything, mate.
[00:11] <daftykins> oic
[00:11] <ali1234> if you need custom wordpress plugins i can do write them for you
[00:12] <Elions> ali1234: We're good for now, no worries.
[00:21] <ali1234> Azelphur: i can turn my lights on and off with the g19 keys now :)
[00:21] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/avr-433/blob/master/firmware/main.c
[00:26] <ali1234> i probably made everyone's doorbell ring on my street while developing this
[00:26] <ali1234> and all their garage doors open and car alarms turn on and off
[00:27] <penguin42> what hardware is that?
[00:28] <ali1234> http://www.quasaruk.co.uk/acatalog/info_QAM_TX1_433.html
[00:28] <ali1234> the plugs are from maplin but they don't sell them any more
[00:29] <ali1234> and the AVR board is a minimus32
[00:29] <ali1234> also i used a RTL-SDR to look at the signals, with rtl-433, gqrx, and gnuradio-companion
[00:29] <penguin42> oh that's tiny
[00:30] <penguin42> (and cheap)
[00:30] <ali1234> yeah
[00:30] <ali1234> the minimus board is also tiny and cheap
[00:30] <ali1234> actually everything involved was cheap
[00:30] <penguin42> I'd played with gqrx and the rtl-sdr but hadn't come across gnuradio-companion - I played with the rtl when stuff was still a bit touchy, I should try again
[00:30] <ali1234> there is a fairly good ppa with it all now
[00:31] <ali1234> gr-companion is like a drag and drop filter graph editor
[00:31] <ali1234> it's not very easy to use
[00:31] <ali1234> and it crashes a lot
[00:32] <penguin42> oh, maybe I did use that - I certainly edited a gnuradio graph - but didn't have the patience to do anything smart with it
[07:42] <foobarry> looks nippy out there today
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> we're having clear skies, blue with bits of red
[07:44] <mapps> yeas  foobarry
[07:44] <mapps> its kinda cold
[07:44] <mapps> when i walked back from the casino was cold;/
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> Apparently it's 0°C outside here
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> mapps: did you win? :)
[07:45] <mapps> dont play really i just go for a beer
[07:45] <mapps> horrible places
[07:45] <mapps> the UKs lowest
[07:45] <mapps> everyone there will tell you they 'broke even' or 'won a few quid'
[07:46] <mapps> so casinos must operate on good faith;p
[07:49] <foobarry> pink/blue skies out there, frost on the field and the car
[07:49] <foobarry> you get free sandwiches in casinos to
[07:50] <foobarry> can't imagine the beer is exactly great
[07:58] <foobarry> i just had a sudden urge to play gribbly's day out on the archimedes
[07:58] <foobarry> that was a hard game
[08:03] <mapps> :D
[08:03] <mapps> going to London Dungeons next week:D
[08:04] <mapps> went to the amsterdam one on our ;last day there
[08:04] <foobarry> i want a rasp pi to run RISC OS!
[08:04] <foobarry> native
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads bottom of the page?
[08:11] <foobarry> the "want" in that sentence was the rasp pi..i don't own one
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> Ah, I assumed everyone had one (or several) by now :)
[08:11] <shauno> why not?  I thought pretty much every had 3 or 4 by this point
[08:13] <foobarry> i don't have anything with hdmi or dvi in the house
[08:14] <foobarry> and i had a nslu2 already for my low power needs
[08:17] <foobarry> i have a short term urge to play my old acorn games again
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: RPi also has Composite out
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> don't know the quality of it.. but it exists
[08:17] <foobarry> it happens occasionally and i faff around with the emulator and leave after a sub standard experience
[08:17] <foobarry> yeah, prob no worse than the arch games quality for these purposes
[08:56] <popey> morning
[09:58] <mapps> morning popey
[09:58] <mapps> going back home monday:D
[09:58] <mapps> back to good net
[09:58] <mapps> 75mbit ftc and 100mbit cable:D
[09:58]  * mapps is stuck on 6mbit here;/
[10:03] <mapps> gotta brave the underground on monday again
[10:03] <mapps> ipad/netbook/nexus7 should be enough:D
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> kindle?
[10:04] <mapps> i have a nook:D
[10:05] <mapps> ipad air/ipad mini/nexus7/dell xps12 miini/dell xps i7/samsung nc10
[10:05] <mapps> those are my 'portables'
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> mapps: XPS 12 with the rotating screen? :)
[10:05] <mapps> and my beloved iphone 5:)
[10:05] <mapps> yes sir
[10:05]  * MartijnVdS has one of those.. yay work 8-)
[10:05] <mapps> i buyed my dad one for his birthday also
[10:05] <mapps> theyre expensive
[10:05] <mapps> but nice
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> I wanted the Ubuntu edition 13" but it was sold out at the time (just before the new model launched.. but I needed a work laptop to work on..)
[10:06] <mapps> its a good quality laptop
[10:06] <mapps> but
[10:06] <mapps> its quite pricey..no?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> It is
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> but I didn't have to pay, so it's good ;)
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> I've disabled the touch screen though
[10:06] <mapps> :)
[10:07] <mapps> so iil be taking
[10:07] <mapps> iphone 5/ipad air/ipad mini/nexus7/dell xps12/dell i7/samsung nc10
[10:07] <mapps> that enough?
[10:07] <mapps> for a week
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> where? why? :)
[10:08] <mapps> back to my fathers
[10:08] <mapps> going home for a week
[10:08] <mapps> to Surrey
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> When I go away for a week I take my chromebook and my phone
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> maybe my kindle
[10:08] <mapps> aha
[10:08] <mapps> when i go abroad
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> xoom, work laptop and older VAIO stay at home
[10:08] <mapps> i take my iphone 5 and my netbook
[10:08] <mapps> becuse
[10:08] <mapps> my big laptop is too big..i dont pay for luggage
[10:08] <mapps> so i just use hold luggage :)
[10:08] <mapps> so a netbook is better
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> carry-on you mean.. hold luggage tends to cost money :)
[10:09] <mapps> ahh yes
[10:09] <mapps> sorry
[10:09] <mapps> so hold is the pay ?
[10:09] <mapps> hm
[10:09] <mapps> carry
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> The stuff take with you (hold in your hands) = carry-on
[10:09] <mapps> i meant carry on plane
[10:09] <mapps> yea
[10:09] <mapps> my normal laptop takes too much space on my bag
[10:09] <mapps> so i use my netbook
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> The "belly of the aircraft" where checked bags are stored is called the "hold" 8-)
[10:10] <mapps> aha so thats hold luggage
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> Yes, this is weird ;)
[10:10] <mapps> :D
[10:10] <mapps> i liked KLM
[10:10] <mapps> they were good
[10:10] <mapps> i used e-barcode thing
[10:11] <mapps> i went to work and both printers were broken so i had no choice had it sent to my phone
[10:11] <mapps> scanned it a manchester
[10:11] <mapps> then on amsterdam someone came and looked at it
[10:11] <mapps> but still really easy:D
[10:11] <mapps> boarding pass on phones
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> last time I flew, I went with Easyjet. Checked in a month before the flight 8-)
[10:12] <mapps> haa yea with some u can
[10:12] <mapps> but
[10:12] <mapps> MartijnVdS,
[10:12] <mapps> you flew KLM?
[10:12] <mapps> they only let you check in 24 hour before
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> no, EJ
[10:12] <mapps> no i mean have you ever
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> I flew to London City once with KLM
[10:13] <mapps> still nice to be able to use your phone..ryan air dont let u...so if you forget the bordon pass you pays 70quid per person
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> and to SF and back
[10:13] <mapps> but with KLM i can checkin upto 30mins before flight..and there's free wifi at airports so could do it on my phone
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Ryanair makes it easy to make mistakes, and expensive to correct them
[10:14] <mapps> ya
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> and that's where they get most of their money
[10:14] <mapps> yep
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> "People are stupid" :)
[10:14] <mapps> :D
[10:15] <shauno> I've honestly never had a problem with ryanair
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Sure, if you read everything before clicking and check for typos in your name, everything is fine
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: though in-flight drinks are on the expensive side.. but on a 2 hour flight shouldn't need too many drinks really
[10:17] <shauno> is "I can spell my name" really a difficult bar to set?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> but most people just click through, mistype their names, don't see that luggage = extra money
[10:17] <shauno> yeah, inflight purchases are actually their revenue stream
[10:18] <shauno> the rest is high because to force people to double-check stuff so they need less staff
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Three people in front of me in the Easyjet line had to have their misspellings fixed. And were angry that they had to pay.
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> I'm assuming Ryanair typo rates are similar
[10:18] <shauno> well trained customers = cheaper customer service
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> sure
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> though the relative luxury of that KLM flight to San Francisco is nice :)
[10:19] <shauno> well yeah, I wouldn't want to go that far with bargain basements
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> They just put the drinks cart somewhere and made it a self-serve bar 8-)
[10:20] <shauno> there was an outfit a few years back doing london to hong kong for 75GBP.  that both interested & terrified me
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I'd figure out a way to get sleeping pills before boarding that
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> wake me up when we've landed
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:33] <shauno> I guess I'm just glad for ryanair because they've led me on a lot of strange trips that wouldn't have happened otherwise
[12:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:36] <penguin42> Hey BC
[12:51] <dogmatic69_> what can I use to monitor traffic on my network?
[12:51] <dogmatic69_> eg: usage by user / sites etc.
[12:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: It depends a bit how your network is setup and what you want to measure
[12:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: When you say 'by user' is that which particular machine or a particular logged on user?
[13:03] <dogmatic69_> ye, machine / ip
[13:03] <dogmatic69_> just simple home network with router -> machines
[13:03] <dogmatic69_> I guess something like bind on one, with the router configured to use it as dns?
[13:04] <dogmatic69_> mostly what machines are accessing
[13:05] <penguin42> ok, so by IP isn't too bad
[13:06] <dogmatic69_> ye, everything has a static IP address
[13:06] <penguin42> there are things like iptop that you can watch current behaviour; longer term recording hmm not too sure
[13:06] <dogmatic69_> something like ntop?
[13:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: If you force stuff through a squid cache it's easy to record what urls are being accessed
[13:07] <penguin42> yeh like ntop was what I was thinking of
[13:07] <dogmatic69_> not sure if that can do network wide?
[13:07] <dogmatic69_> squid cache?
[13:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: squid - it's a http cache
[13:07] <dogmatic69_> ok
[13:08] <dogmatic69_> does ntop cover the whole network?
[13:09] <penguin42> it covers what that machines network can see
[13:21] <ali1234> hmm.... i appear to have found a bug in systemd
[13:25] <penguin42> report it/fix it
[13:26] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: just installed ntopng. awesome compared with last version...
[13:33] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1268301
[13:40] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm that's going to cause some fun behaviours - now search for all bugs where people are finding the sound on one card doing something odd
[13:40] <ali1234> yep
[13:40] <ali1234> i'm testing if it happens in fedora
[13:41] <ali1234> i don't see how it can be anything other than systemd/udev causing it, because nothing else involved has changed - not even upstream
[13:42] <ali1234> fedora avoids the problem by not using that $attr{} construct at all
[14:03] <ali1234> systemd tests take ages to run :/
[14:40] <ali1234> it's impossible to search for any real information about systemd because of all the blog posts complaining about it
[14:43] <penguin42> yeh - my experience so far is it generally works quite well
[14:55] <ali1234> $attr substitution doesn't work on fedora either :/
[15:05] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[15:05] <penguin42> ali1234: Is that supposed to be $ATTRS{number} ?
[15:06] <ali1234> penguin42: no. that is something totally different
[15:06] <ali1234> it's not supposed to be $ATTR{number} either, which is also a different thing
[15:06] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh, it does conveniently have the value 0 :-)
[15:06] <ali1234> yes but it won't be accepted by the format string parser
[15:07] <ali1234> it will just be passed through verbatim
[15:07] <ali1234> one way to make the script work is by just putting $number
[15:07] <ali1234> but $attr{number} is supposed to work according to the documentation
[15:09] <penguin42> now is it the docs or the code that's wrong?
[15:10] <ali1234> that's what i'm trying to figure out
[15:11] <penguin42> I suggested the ATTR{number} because that's the format udevadm info prints it in
[15:12] <ali1234> $attr does something different
[15:12] <penguin42> are you sure? the stuff from udevadm looks like the sysfs files of the same name
[15:12] <ali1234> yes it is
[15:13] <ali1234> that's where it comes from
[15:13] <ali1234> try it if you don't believe me (i already have)
[15:13] <penguin42> no, I'm fine to let you find the potholes
[15:14] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6739002/ <- put that in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-test.rules
[15:14] <ali1234> then sudo udevadm control --reload-rules
[15:14] <ali1234> then udevadm test --action=add /class/sound/controlC0
[15:17] <penguin42> ali1234: Is the problem here that you're doing it on controlC0 rather than the card0?  There is no number file in /sys/class/sound/card0/controlC0/   but there is in /sys/class/sound/card0 ?
[15:18] <penguin42> so it's right, there is no number attribute on controlC0
[15:19] <penguin42> and $attr only says to use an entry from a parent device if a previous KERNELS/SUBSYSTEMS/DRIVERS/ATTRS tests selected a parent
[15:52] <foobarry> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-12-04-Is-More-Secure-Than-Windows-8-and-Mac-OS-X-Says-UK-Goverment-416016.shtml
[15:54] <foobarry> http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf
[15:57] <directhex> it's that time again! :D
[15:58] <penguin42> MS license price negotiation time?
[15:59] <directhex> Latest release: Release4 (2014-01-08u1) (released 2014-01-12)
[16:00] <directhex> i should probably sleep more...
[16:00] <directhex> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5be21a7a4f4b919e13f65eef113a8bc97e037ad0&dn=yeoldesteamos-release4-20140108u1.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce
[16:04] <popey> got a normal torrent url pls?
[16:06] <directhex> http://retro.apebox.org/yeoldesteamos-release4-20140108u1.iso.torrent
[16:06] <popey> ta
[16:10] <popey> odd, not downloading anything here
[16:10] <popey> magnet is in transmission though
[16:10] <popey> ah, magnet on laptop can see my vps tho
[16:11] <popey> thats better, chugging along now
[16:11] <shauno> I see popey.com on mine :p
[16:11] <popey> does yours resolve ip to host or did you look it up?
[16:12] <shauno> it resolves
[16:12] <popey> neat
[16:12] <directhex> transmission doesn't resolve here
[16:12] <directhex> i see deluge, 2xtransmission, and one generic libtorrent
[16:13] <popey> i have 1xtransmission and 2xrtorrent
[16:13] <shauno> I'm using https://code.google.com/p/transmisson-remote-gui/ because it's running on a box elsewhere
[16:13] <popey> (mine)
[16:14]  * popey leaves it running while going to make cottage pie i think
[16:33] <ali1234> i got up to 60 ratio on the last one
[16:34] <popey> yeah, same here, was peak/troughy, but quite popular
[16:36] <directhex> another slow torrents day. thanks, bt
[16:43]  * daftykins jumps on the torrent
[16:46] <daftykins> hmm looks like you announced it a bit sooner this time, tonnes on it already? :D
[16:47] <ali1234> i'm at ratio 1 and i've only downloaded 25% of it
[16:47] <daftykins> yeah it's ground to a halt ~the 27% mark
[16:48] <diddledan> what we torrenting?
[16:48] <daftykins> latest steamos again from directhex
[16:48] <directhex> let me see what i can do
[16:49] <diddledan> hmm, should I plop a torrentbox up somewhere to helpout?
[16:49] <popey> its bottlenecked on directhex upstream atm
[16:49] <ali1234> yeah
[16:49] <directhex> yeah
[16:49] <directhex> :/
[16:50] <foobarry> any risc os users here?
[16:51] <penguin42> not for about ooh 15 years
[16:51] <shauno> lol, that's cute; 'someone' shows up as Guernsey, but it has no idea what flag to assign to them
[16:52] <diddledan> lol
[16:54] <foobarry> i heard risc os is now open source
[16:54] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[16:54] <daftykins> shauno: do i have an addy or just IP?
[16:54] <daftykins> assuming your client resolves
[16:54] <shauno> a name, bbdhome2-blahblahblah
[16:55] <shauno> it just looks a tad silly in the UI because everyone else has flags
[16:56] <daftykins> fancy not having the Guernsey flag =|
[16:56] <diddledan> lol, nice: http://retro.apebox.org/index.php?section=six&rant=irc.rant <-- I been nosey
[16:56] <daftykins> i am insulted!
[16:57] <popey> file a bug ☻
[16:57] <diddledan> does guernsey even have a flag?
[16:57]  * popey mashes spuds
[16:57] <diddledan> I mean there's like three people there, what are the chances one of you has a spare rag? :-p

[16:59] <shauno> interesting, I can't checkout svn on this 3g connection.  it doesn't make it through o2-ie's mangler
[16:59] <directhex> ok someone else on BT just connected, 1.12MB up now
[16:59] <daftykins> diddledan: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Flag_of_Guernsey.svg
[17:00] <diddledan> yeah, but that's wiki.
[17:00] <diddledan> and it looks decidedly like dicky the lion heart's shield
[17:06] <popey> http://popey.com/bandwidth/
[17:06] <popey> click "days" and spot where directhex releases yeoldesteamos
[17:07] <shauno> well boo.  there's nothing in the zip of flags to say where they got it from
[17:09] <shauno> if it makes you feel better, comcast via ipv6 isn't getting a flag either.  so not only are you not alone, but you might be the future
[17:10] <daftykins> :D
[17:10] <daftykins> yeah i've spotted the IPv6-ers get nothing
[17:12] <daftykins> woohoo complete
[17:14] <shauno> :(  the list got really boring now
[17:15] <shauno> I'm not sure there's any solution for this, but I find it interesting that the ipv6 client appears to be connected by both 4+6, and is being served as two separate peers
[17:33] <daftykins> how funky
[17:33] <daftykins> how did you spot the v6 matching the v4s?
[17:37] <shauno> two customers on the same ISP with the same % complete, just looks suss
[17:38] <shauno> customers, clients, peers, whatever.  I've been at work since 6am :(
[17:40] <foobarry> penguin42: i'm trying to remember an archimedes adventure game that starts with you being guarded in a train carriage...know it?
[17:41] <penguin42> foobarry: No, I didn't play much games on the Arch
[17:41] <ali1234> foobarry: text adventure?
[17:42] <foobarry> yeah ali1234
[17:42] <ali1234> was it an infocom one?
[17:43] <ali1234> was it corruption?
[17:43] <foobarry> i was just looking at the corruption wiki
[17:43] <foobarry> from memory i'm thinking it might be.
[17:43] <foobarry> how did you get out of the carriage?
[17:43] <foobarry> ask for the toilet?
[17:44] <ali1234> i dunno?
[17:44] <ali1234> i'm just googling
[17:44] <ali1234> http://www.lemonamiga.com/?game_id=1557
[17:44] <foobarry> maybe corruption came out at similar time
[17:44] <ali1234> did it have graphics like that?
[17:45] <foobarry> not corruption
[17:45] <foobarry> first scene is you in a train carriage
[17:47] <ali1234> http://msmemorial.if-legends.org/games.htm/jinxter.php
[17:47] <ali1234> mentions something about a train
[17:51] <foobarry> hmmm doesn't seem to be the one from my memory,
[17:51] <foobarry> it was certainly an earlier arch game , trawling through the mag scrolls ones
[17:52] <bigcalm> directhex: just nabbed your latest torrent. I am currently seeding beta1 & beta2. What should I drop (if any)?
[17:52] <bigcalm> beta1 got to a ratio of 0.4. beta2 got to 30.1 :)
[17:53] <directhex> bigcalm, drop everything that isn't release 4
[17:53] <directhex> (i've simplified the version numbering now, too)
[17:53] <bigcalm> Okay
[17:55] <daftykins> shauno: weekend work O_O
[17:55] <shauno> it's not that bad
[17:56] <shauno> I had thursday/friday off, will have monday/tuesday off, and enjoy two shifts with no adult supervision
[17:56] <daftykins> \o/
[17:58] <shauno> eg; the most I've done in the last 2 hours, is try to figure out why this client has no gg.png
[17:59] <daftykins> :D
[17:59] <daftykins> can i have a job?
[18:18] <popey> wheee 5MB/s
[18:18] <daftykins> :)
[18:49] <daftykins> haha, my brothers latest toy is a quadracopter
[18:49] <daftykins> the views of Guernsey are quite nice in this one
[18:49] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcHqoiV-Z8c
[18:50] <bigcalm> That's incredibly steady
[18:50] <bigcalm> No wind I'm guessing
[18:51] <daftykins> it was pretty good yesterday
[18:51] <bigcalm> Sounds like a herd of strimmers
[18:52] <popey> whih one is it?
[18:53] <bigcalm> It appears to be in the 'gaming' category, bit odd
[18:54] <daftykins> yeah i thought that
[18:55] <bigcalm> Is it a live feed back to the controls, or is it only available once downloaded?
[18:55] <bigcalm> I want one now
[18:55] <daftykins> i was given the vid link and that's all i know unfortunately
[18:55] <daftykins> lol
[18:56] <bigcalm> Pfft
[18:59] <daftykins> i suspect it was just a goPro attached
[19:01] <bigcalm> Time to do my duty and be in the sitting room while Dancing on Ice is on. Hooray for laptop and headphones!
[19:01] <popey> hahaha
[19:01] <popey> unlucky
[19:02] <bigcalm> It's nice to spend time together, even if we're doing different things
[19:02] <daftykins> =]
[19:02] <bigcalm> Today's big outing was to Dreams
[19:02] <daftykins> anything but that :'(
[19:02] <penguin42> did you fall asleep?
[19:03] <bigcalm> Spent over 1.2K on a new mattress :S
[19:03] <diddledan> ouch
[19:03] <popey> wat
[19:03] <popey> u mad bro
[19:03] <bigcalm> Yus
[19:03] <diddledan> by eck that's alotta dough
[19:03] <bigcalm> I'm looking forward to sleeping well once more
[19:03] <popey> i should coco for that amount
[19:03] <penguin42> hmm, I can see how that can happen; I spent about 700 on one probably near 7 years ago - and that was a custom size but only a bit over single
[19:03] <popey> I'd expect to never wake up
[19:03] <penguin42> bigcalm: Temper ?
[19:04] <bigcalm> I think it was something like 1.1K for the mattress and then extra for the delivery and wotnot
[19:04] <penguin42> (tempor?)
[19:04] <bigcalm> penguin42: amazingly no. We didn't find the Temper as comfortable
[19:04] <penguin42> bigcalm: Was it a clone of a temper or a more normal one?
[19:04] <diddledan> silentnight?
[19:05] <bigcalm> penguin42: more normal one. I should go and find the receipt
[19:05] <penguin42> nod; mine is a Temper clone
[19:05] <diddledan> that's the one that makes you feel weightless (according to the advert)
[19:05] <bigcalm> popey: made use of wedding money. Only way we could ever entertain the idea of a new decent mattress
[19:05] <penguin42> diddledan: Which is rubbish - they are comfy but not that weightless
[19:05] <diddledan> I think waking up feeling weightless might make my mind go madder than it already is (at least for the moment)
[19:06] <popey> our mattress was bought from amazon while laying on the old one.
[19:06] <popey> "Alan, order a new mattress"
[19:06] <popey> "How about this one?"
[19:06] <popey> "Looks good"
[19:06] <diddledan> popey: lifestyle of champions
[19:06] <popey> "Ok, I'll be here on monday"
[19:06] <daftykins> brother says he had first person view showing lots of telemetry
[19:06] <penguin42> popey: Do you have it on subscription?
[19:06] <popey> hah, no
[19:06] <popey> *it'll
[19:06] <diddledan> if you pay more on amazon they'll be kind enough not to show you adverts
[19:07] <penguin42> really?
[19:07] <daftykins> so he has goggles for it @_@ http://www.fatshark.com/
[19:07] <diddledan> I wonder how adverts will work on a mattress though
[19:07] <popey> amazon is one giant advert
[19:08] <popey> I am sure I tested my RPi powered by a USB battery but I can't remember how long it lasted
[19:08] <popey> wondering how long the battery would last powering Pi and two motors, scuttling around
[19:09] <diddledan> surely that'll depend on the size of your epeen.. erm.. battery
[19:09] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[19:09] <popey> 13000mah
[19:09] <bigcalm> £1,284.98 Sotheby
[19:09] <diddledan> so 13 hours at 1amp delivery
[19:10] <diddledan> bigcalm: did you just fish out the receipt, you geek?
[19:10] <popey> might need to get a newer Pi
[19:10] <bigcalm> diddledan: yes, I paid on my personal debit card. Needed the amount so that I can transfer it from the joint account
[19:11] <diddledan> why is it when a person from a known category of society comments on another person's membership of that same category it isn't as offensive as when a third person who isn't a member does so in the same manner?
[19:12] <diddledan> e.g. kids at school yelling "GEEEEEEEK" vs me calling bigcalm a geek just now
[19:12] <daftykins> the pot and the kettle are on better terms
[19:12] <bigcalm> :)
[19:13] <diddledan> does the pot call the kettle the word beginning with N that those of the opposing chroma value aren't allowed anywhere near?
[19:15] <diddledan> at the risk of being mildly offensive I think the phrase should be changed to "wassup my racially equivalent male sibling?!"
[19:15] <shauno> diddledan: what have I told you about thinking too much?
[19:15] <diddledan> shauno: it's a curse
[19:16] <diddledan> shauno: I'm good at foot-in-mouth disease
[19:17] <daftykins> in some ways i wonder if the words' power/value would be destroyed if we all just chose to use it from one day forward
[19:17] <shauno> I've just figured out that toys that I thought were broke, aren't.  which is almost as good as having new toys to play with
[19:17] <bigcalm> Aha, I think I've found the mattress on the website: http://www.dreams.co.uk/mattresses/pocket-spring-mattresses/sotheby-mattress
[19:17] <diddledan> shauno: bedroom antics getting spicy?
[19:18] <shauno> even better!  a hf upconverter for this lil sdr dongle wotsit
[19:19] <diddledan> bigcalm: it only works for 40 days and 40 nights? that's somewhat biblical at least
[19:19] <bigcalm> Hehe
[19:19] <daftykins> popey + bigcalm the copter appears to be: http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-2/
[19:19] <bigcalm> diddledan: if after 30 days, and before 40 days) one is unhappy with the mattress, one can change it for another one
[19:20] <bigcalm> daftykins: ta
[19:20] <daftykins> you can program it to follow waypoints via GPS O_O
[19:20] <bigcalm> £352 from the 1st site
[19:20] <bigcalm> Interesting
[19:21] <bigcalm> Cool
[19:21] <diddledan> daftykins: bigcalm: this cross-purpose conversation looks weird - I read a statement about a mattress being replaceable followed by a comment that you can set it to use gps
[19:21] <daftykins> XD
[19:21] <bigcalm> Haha
[19:22] <daftykins> bigcalm: i think my brothers getting all the toys in before the plan to have a baby with his Mrs succeeds!
[19:22] <diddledan> because we all need a mattress that takes you down a narrow lane in the middle of the night
[19:22] <daftykins> doesn't yours?
[19:23] <diddledan> it hasn't done so yet, but then I haven't plugged it in.. ever
[19:23] <diddledan> so it's probably got no juice
[19:24] <daftykins> ah-har
[19:24] <daftykins> under-utilised :(
[19:24] <diddledan> let's leave my personal life out of this :-p
[19:30] <daftykins> http://pastebin.com/Wj07L3Bx
[19:30] <daftykins> amusing email
[19:58] <ali1234> http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/landgrab.asp
[19:58] <ali1234> sorry
[19:58] <ali1234> certainly not 100% true
[19:58] <daftykins> i hardly need fact to keep it entertaining ;) was just one of a contacts many emails
[19:59] <daftykins> i'm somewhat surprised you went out of your way to check
[20:00] <ali1234> it's what i do
[20:01] <daftykins> Captain Buzzkill :D
[20:02] <ali1234> this one is real: http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2013/06/this-cease-and-desist-response-is-pretty-amazing/
[20:04] <ali1234> shauno: HF upconverter allows it to receiver lower frequencies right?
[20:05] <shauno> that's the plan
[20:05] <ali1234> how much would that type of thing cost and can i build it myself?
[20:05] <shauno> it's not going so well, but that's the idea.  to move 0-30 to 100-130  (better ones have a 125MHz LO so you don't get clobbered by the broadcast band)
[20:07] <ali1234> does it not shift *everything*?
[20:07] <shauno> nooelec have a variant for about $40, which has a better reputation than mine ('ham it up').  mine was about 20e from hungary
[20:07] <ali1234> i know nothing about radio
[20:08] <shauno> I actually have very little idea how it works myself.  I know that you start with an input signal and a local oscillator.  after that, "a stork brings it"
[20:09] <penguin42> ali1234/shauno: It's pretty simple
[20:09] <penguin42> ali1234: What you do is you multiply/mix a sine wave oscillator with your signal and out of that mixer you get   signal+sine and signal-sine frequencies
[20:10] <penguin42> ali1234: You then put a filter in to keep only the bits you're interested in
[20:10] <penguin42> ali1234: The process is called heterodyning
[20:10] <shauno> I just view it as being a superhet backwards
[20:10] <penguin42> why backwards?
[20:10] <shauno> instead of using a VFO to bring it down to an IF, I'm going up instead
[20:10] <penguin42> nod
[20:11] <ali1234> :S
[20:11] <ali1234> big words
[20:11] <ali1234> penguin42: i went and bugged the systemd people about the alsa problem and one of them sent a patch to alsa-devel
[20:11] <penguin42> shauno: You have to be a little careful to make sure the LO and the products you get from it land outside where ever your filter is
[20:12] <penguin42> ali1234: Ah cool
[20:12] <shauno> I'm not sure there's a filter doing it this way?
[20:13] <penguin42> shauno: You don't necessarily need one as long as you're careful about which bit of the output frequency range you're looking at
[20:13] <ali1234> wouldn't you just do the filter in software anyway?
[20:13] <shauno> I understand that in normal usage, you have a variable oscillator, a fixed output frequency, and you filter each side of the output frequency
[20:14] <shauno> this thing has a fixed oscillator, and a wide output, so I tune around inside the output
[20:14] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh but in reality you tend to have multiple oscillators/mixers/filter stages
[20:14] <penguin42> ali1234: Yes but only if you're careful that the sets of outputs you get into your sampling don't alias to each other
[20:16] <shauno> this one looks incredibly simple; http://www.ebay.ie/itm/181300457997  (the one I have, not necessarily the one I'd recommend)
[20:16] <shauno> the shiney that's hard to read in the pictures is labelled 100M
[20:18] <penguin42> shauno: Oh that's neat
[20:18] <penguin42> shauno: So say you've got a signal at 10MHz, if I understand correctly you're signal will end up appearing at 90MHz and 110MHz on the output
[20:19] <ali1234> i know for a fact i have a 100Mhz crystal in my junk box...
[20:20] <shauno> I believe that's the plan, yeah
[20:20] <shauno> although so far it's not what I'd hoped for.  but it does seem to be working, I've found some SW broadcast bands
[20:21] <penguin42> shauno: Now, say you've got an incoming signal at 50MHz, you'll get an output at 150MHz and oh hmm 50MHz which will probably get confusing with the input
[20:21] <ali1234> http://blog.kf7lze.net/tag/up-converter/ <- this looks pretty simple
[20:21] <shauno> a 100MHz LO wasn't the best idea though.  I know 'ham it up' have an option of a 125MHz xtal so you're not fighting the broadcast band
[20:24] <shauno> ali1234: you can go the other direction too.  I found someone who was bringing 8GHz down to something a cheap sdr could reach, which (plus a large dish) allowed him to copy the china mars thing
[20:24] <ali1234> awesome
[20:24] <penguin42> nice
[20:25] <ali1234> on a slightly unrelated topic, is there any good oscilloscope software for linux?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: "The last Monday of January is bubble wrap awareness day"</QI>
[20:53] <DJones> Finally, a use for cats https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/999929_631936796891355_917710229_n.jpg Pillows :)
[20:56] <shauno> they also make good draught excluders
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPWlBAgSnw
[21:25] <bigcalm> Opened terminal, forgot why
[21:26] <shauno> I do that with the fridge
[21:27] <shauno> often when the fridge wasn't involved in the original plan at all.  just sit and stare for a little while, until I remember I was looking for a coffee cup
[21:28] <daftykins> :D
[21:29] <daftykins> i have a thing with browsing onto my storage array, if i need to do something work related i go into the TV Series folder, if i need to do something TV series related i go into the work folder
[21:32] <shauno> OH   that reminds me sherlock's tonight.  ta muchley
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> shauno: too late
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> it started an hour ago
[21:32] <shauno> too late is even betterer, it won't be on the webs until it's finished :)
[21:36]  * bigcalm pats the PVR
[21:36] <ali1234> mythtv :)
[21:36] <bigcalm> Or DVR
[21:36]  * bigcalm lets things get recorded
[21:36] <bigcalm> get_iplayer FTW!
[21:37] <shauno> yeah I have one of those, but I don't get HD here.  74e a month and no HD
[21:37] <shauno> and the UI is horrible.  it feels like the hardware is 4 years behind where the software thinks it is
[21:39] <shauno> it was fine until they tried to be clever with transparent overlays.  oh well
[21:43] <shauno> I guess I just generally dislike my ISP.  they sent me a letter telling me that if I continue to transfer this much, they'll have to bump me to a higher tier
[21:44] <shauno> so I phoned them up and asked if I could have moar internets, and they had to admit they don't have a higher tier
[21:45] <daftykins> lol
[21:45] <daftykins> great letter
[21:45] <daftykins> how much are you pushing?
[21:46] <ali1234> iplayer is terrible quality :/
[21:47] <shauno> the letter says 834GB, and appparently 'unlimited' is 500
[21:49] <bigcalm> ali1234: not terrible for radio shows :)
[21:53] <Myrtti> popey: http://www.indiedb.com/games/catlateral-damage
[21:53] <daftykins> shauno: perhaps it's easier to have two services to the same property :D
[21:53] <bigcalm> Time to buy a new laptop. This one can't cope with my very simple dev needs. *grumble*
[21:54] <shauno> that I'm actually curious about.  I have two IPs off them and I shouldn't.  so I'm not sure if they're accounting for that
[21:56] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/9QF7FFz <- this is me right now
[21:57] <bigcalm> Do I want to buy a Lenovo or Dell?
[21:57]  * bigcalm pokes popey
[21:57] <bigcalm> popey: what laptop do you have?
[21:57] <shauno> we're apparently moving to lenovo at work.  thinkpad->dell inspiron->hp probook->thinkpad.  I guess.
[21:58] <shauno> I'm not complaining though.  it seems they've decided the best way to migrate to win7 is to just start issuing everyone new laptops
[21:58] <daftykins> ;/
[21:58] <daftykins> i suppose it takes away the time pressure
[22:00] <shauno> I can't believe I'm excited about a windows upgrade.  I'll finally be able to use over 2.7GB of ram!
[22:00] <shauno> (my current machine has 8GB of ram and windows XP)
[22:00] <daftykins> work one?
[22:00] <shauno> yeah
[22:00] <daftykins> ouch >_<
[22:00] <daftykins> untapped potential
[22:02] <popey> bigcalm: x220
[22:02] <bigcalm> popey: ta
[22:03] <popey> current laptops on my list of "what I would like if someone else was paying" is dell xps and thinkpad x1 carbon
[22:03] <popey> the new xps with touchscreen would be handy for me
[22:06] <moreati> popey: the current base model macbook pro 15 works very well with Trusty. Down side is complete lack of upgradability, and fragility of Apple PSU
[22:07] <shauno> fragility .. physically?
[22:07] <moreati> shauno: yes, where the DC cable meets each end
[22:07] <shauno> ah, yeah.  I go through about one a year :/
[22:08] <popey> i had one replaced after 3 years
[22:08] <moreati> shauno: if you can solder then just the cable is available on eBay for ~£10
[22:08] <popey> out of warranty, apple replaced both the power board in the laptop and the external supply
[22:08] <moreati> no such luck here
[22:09] <popey> ☹
[22:09] <shauno> my current solution has been to get one for work and one for home, so I'm not rolling it up 4 days a week
[22:16] <daftykins> their length can be a downside sometimes, eh?
[22:17] <bigcalm> Why is it so difficult to find high end screen res on lenovo and dell websites?
[22:17] <bigcalm> I don't want to just buy the most expensive thing
[22:18] <shauno> it's not the length, it's that now and then they sacrifice sturdy for pretty
[22:18] <shauno> apple basically suck at cables and mice
[22:18] <shauno> (mice because they hate buttons, which is a mooses dayjob)
[22:19] <daftykins> :)
[22:19] <daftykins> bigcalm: i know what you mean, so many laptops are still restricted to the depths of 1366x768 instead of at least a 1080p panel
[22:24] <bigcalm> Looking at http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537 as it's something that I can afford
[22:31] <Azelphur> bigcalm: that hard drive will drag the system down, forking out for a touch screen on a laptop isn't great imo
[22:32] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I'll be replacing the HDD with an SSD I already have spare. I don't care for touch screens. It seems the most affordable performance machine with high res screen though
[22:32] <shauno> I think touchscreens are kinda personal.  some people love them, some people hate them (for me, if you leave a thumbprint on my screen I'll leave you unable to procreate)
[22:33]  * bigcalm chuckles
[22:33] <daftykins> hehehe :D
[22:33] <daftykins> yeah screen touching has always been a grating one for me
[22:34] <shauno> "you're pointing .. you're pointing .. noooo ... now you must die"
[22:36] <shauno> the polish guy at work just grabs your hand and moves it away.  I wish I had that confidence.
[22:36] <Azelphur> :p
[22:37] <Azelphur> bigcalm: if you're feeling brave, laptops are much cheaper in USA
[22:37] <bigcalm> Nope, I'm a chicken
[22:37] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:38] <daftykins> it's when they poke so hard you can see the LCD colours go funky
[22:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: how're your super bandwidths sir?
[22:39] <Azelphur> It's evening now, so fine
[22:39]  * bigcalm tootles off to bed
[22:40] <daftykins> Azelphur: oh right it's only in peak hours it sucks?
[22:40] <Azelphur> yu
[22:40] <Azelphur> p
[22:42] <shauno> I remember when I first got the internet.  I digitized my circadian rhythm; 'peak hours' became 'bedtime'
[22:42] <Azelphur> same, I was on free dialup
[22:42] <shauno> we had the free dialup you paid for.  which makes sense according to BT
[22:44] <shauno> iirc you could pay 15 squids/mo and get the calls free, or pay nothing and pay penny/minute for the calls
[22:44] <shauno> both they termed 'free'
[22:44] <Azelphur> haha
[22:45] <daftykins> i had to beg for AOL after years of 1p/min
[22:45] <daftykins> ;/
[22:46] <shauno> I just remember spending way too long on the phone to them trying to get the right dial-in number when I spent a week away from home
[22:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:46] <shauno> at which point I was paying 1p/m for the call because I wasn't at home, and 15/mo for the account
[22:47] <shauno> I think it just stands out because it was the first time I realised I was paying for the privilege of teaching tech support
[22:48] <popey> the only reason I want a touch screen laptop is to test ubuntu touch apps ☻
[22:49] <shauno> I'd love a touchscreen laptop if my laptop was small/light enough to wipe the screen off on my shirt
[22:50] <popey> hah
[22:50] <popey> i find myself wiping the camera more than the screen
[22:50] <Myrtti> imgur is full of cats today it seems
[22:51] <shauno> isn't that what the internet's for?
[22:51] <Myrtti> http://imgur.com/gallery/hVDBjSl
[23:00] <popey> Myrtti: thanks for that cat link
[23:03] <Myrtti> popey: np
[23:09] <popey> http://www.theserverstore.com/content/dell-poweredge-c6100-servers
[23:09] <popey> hmm
[23:28] <ali1234> a review of my predictions for 2013, made in 2012: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/iL21YorCLXf
[23:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: I should do that sort of thing, people would stop telling me I was crazy xD
[23:29] <shauno> Azelphur: how do I put this gently.  you are crazy.
[23:29] <Azelphur> true
[23:31] <popey> bigcalm: what did you order?


[06:43] <alex_rus> Hello, is who?
[18:02] <roaksoax> allenap: howdy! so just tested your fix and seems to work for unmanaged networks (I have 2 clusters in 2 different networks)


[01:28] <qoori> hii
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 St7
 EKO9
 There is no sound on my laptop 14 after installing Kubunta. Has anyone encountered such a problem?
 Всем доброго дня !
 На моем ноутбуке matebook 14 нет звука после установки кубунты. Кто-нибудь сталкивался с такой проблемой?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> open alsamixer in the terminal and unmite the automute setting using the up/down keys
 when will kubuntu make normal drivers for the huawei laptop line?
[13:23] <tomreyn> alata5: you should run alsa-info and post its output online to get help with audio issues.
[13:24] <tomreyn> (i'm not saying i'll be able to help, but this is a good first step)
[13:28] <tomreyn> and in case you prefer not to do this, you should at least provide your kubuntu version, running kernel version, audio chipset, ideally exact laptop model number and bios version, relevant modifications and deviations from defaults you have made which could potentially cause it not to work.
[16:07] <user|41> Hi, when I use a ds3 on Bluetooth it asks for a pin, which is inexistant. So I can't connect it.
[16:09] <user|41> It was working before but when I did an update it stopped.


[00:25] <mwhudson> johan: ah, we've found the problem
[00:28] <mwhudson> (i'm tempted to say "it's called subversion", but that would be a bit mean)
[01:45] <johan> mwhudson_: ouch, what was it?
[02:09] <mwhudson_> johan: pysvn.Client.update ignores the ignore_externals parameter
[02:09] <mwhudson_> johan: hopefully will have a fix by tomorrow
[02:24] <jamesh> perhaps you accidentally had ignore_ignore_externals set?
[02:27] <wgrant> It's Subversion, so it'll do things the wrong way. There's probably a dont_ignore_ignore_externals which defaults to False.
[02:28] <mwhudson_> jamesh: no, it's pretty clearly a pysvn bug
[02:28] <mwhudson_> oh sorry, you were already in sarcastic mode
[09:12] <mrevell> morning all
[09:12] <leoquant> morning mrvell
[09:16] <thekorn> hi, is there a way to get a list of all people/teams auto-subscribed to all bugs in ubuntu?
[09:16] <Hobbsee> morning mrevell!
[09:22] <jamesh> thekorn: the portlet on the left of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+subscribe is probably what you're after
[09:26] <thekorn> jamesh, yes, thanks, one more question: why do users with usernames ending with '-deactivatedaccount' still appear on this list?
[09:27] <jamesh> thekorn: probably because the code for the portlet isn't filtering them out like it should
[09:27] <jamesh> you could file a bug report
[09:27] <thekorn> jamesh, ok, will do, thanks
[09:27] <jamesh> thanks
[09:27] <wgrant> Why are they renamed -deactivatedaccount, when they aren't usually? To free up the namespace?
[09:29] <jamesh> wgrant: yes
[12:02] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[12:15] <sigurdga_> Hello. Is it possible to update translations.lauchpad.net, so that the Ubuntu-link in the tag-cloud does not point at Gutsy?
[12:19] <jamesh> the translation focus for Ubuntu seems to still be set to Gutsy
[12:19] <jamesh> jtv/danilo: ^^^ is this something you can fix?
[12:21] <jtv> jamesh: yes, but let us discuss it first.
[12:21] <jtv> It's normal practice for us to keep the translation focus pointing at an older release; we copy translations to the newer release from time to time.
[12:21] <jamesh> right.  I guess it is something for the Ubuntu guys to decide
[12:21] <jamesh> fair enough
[12:22] <jtv> In general, translation focus is the oldest Ubuntu release that is still "actively supported," as seen from the translations point of view.
[12:22] <sigurdga> I was a bit worried when a (new) translator started to work on Gutsy
[12:22] <sigurdga> Ok
[12:22] <jamesh> of course, people might not be able to get 100% coverage without doing some translation on the newer releases after the copying process
[12:23] <jtv> jamesh: that is true, but we're working on a more effective solution for that.
[12:23] <jamesh> cool
[12:24] <sigurdga> Thanks for the explanation :)
[15:54] <Rhonda> I am having repeated troubles with merging of an account, it's related to a translation that is sitting with the account I want to merge from, from what I got told so far.
[15:54] <Rhonda> Is it possible to somehow request a manual merge for it? If so, where and how?
[15:59] <salgado> Rhonda, file a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[16:04] <Rhonda> salgado: Thanks,  added.
[17:23]  * andrea-bs gives thanks mrevell for the interview :)
[17:23] <AnMaster> has lanuchpad changed pushing? before it was: ssh+bzr, but now I get an error?
[17:24] <AnMaster> I did put up my ssh key id
[17:24] <AnMaster> public key that is
[17:24] <andrea-bs> AnMaster: which error?
[17:24] <mrevell> andrea-bs: Hey, my pleasure :)
[17:24] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, connection refused
[17:25] <andrea-bs> AnMaster: the full message?
[17:26] <AnMaster> a sec
[17:27] <andrea-bs> surely
[17:27]  * AnMaster closed terminal by mistake
[17:27] <AnMaster> Using saved location<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:27] <AnMaster> Connection refused.
[17:27] <AnMaster> that's all
[17:29] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, and when I look on launchpad. on a new branch I just created I see " 	 bzr push lp:~anmaster/envbot/starttls"
[17:29] <AnMaster> why no longer use bzr+ssh?
[17:29] <andrea-bs> lp: is a shorter way, but it's the same
[17:30] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, except lp gives another error:
[17:30] <AnMaster> "run "bzr launchpad-login YOUR_ID" and try again."
[17:30] <andrea-bs> AnMaster: is your ssh key in your ~/.ssh directory?
[17:30] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, of course it is. I use ssh key extensively
[17:30] <AnMaster> so ssh-agent is running too
[17:31] <AnMaster> anyway it suddenly works now
[17:31] <andrea-bs> run "bzr launchpad-login YOUR_ID" and try again. ← you have to run this command to push to launchpad using lp:...
[17:31] <AnMaster> andrea-bs, yes and why I wonder?
[17:31] <AnMaster> to me that makes no sense
[17:32] <andrea-bs> because "lp:..." is a simple alias to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:33] <AnMaster> ok... why should launchpad have it's own protocol alias I wonder
[17:33] <andrea-bs> you need to insert your nick both with bzr+ssh: and lp:
[17:34] <andrea-bs> I think it's because there are too many users and launchpad should check every ssh key
[17:34] <andrea-bs> this procedure can be very slow
[19:42] <cr3> hey folks, if I'm getting the following error for a project hosted on LP, does that mean it's corrupted server side: bzr: ERROR: Revision {email-20080417161838-a2tfnk26kx1q7vjf} not present in "revisions.kndx".
[19:51] <cr3> might it be possible that the repository might be corrupted server side? if so, must it be fixed server side?
[20:12] <kiko> cr3, do you have a branch of that repo? if so, just push --overwrite might fix it.
[20:14] <cr3> kiko: that returns the same image as when I try to commit: bzr: ERROR: Unknown bzrdir format: ''
[20:15] <kiko> the same error. hmmm, what did abentley say?
[20:15] <kiko> what does bzr info on the remote repo say, in a paste?
[20:15] <cr3> kiko: aha, I changed my branch.conf from using sftp: to lp: and that worked!
[20:15] <kiko> that means bzr+ssh
[20:16] <kiko> but cool
[20:16] <cr3> kiko: dude, I could kiss you right now! I thought this would ruin my afternoon but you've given me hope of getting some work done!
[20:16] <kiko> heh
[20:16] <kiko> err no need for kissing, I feel appreciated already
[20:17] <kiko> cr3, how about in return you tell me how to get sendmail to send mail through port 25?
[20:24] <cr3> kiko: there might be a potential for me to know this, one moment :)
[20:24] <kiko> cr3, it's okay, it was mostly a joke
[20:25] <kiko> something's busted in a server's sendmail and I can't fix it
[20:25] <cr3> kiko: mail servers were once my expertise, so I might prove to be useful
[20:27] <cr3> kiko: EtienneG is also very good with mail servers, so you might be able to get some assistance
[20:32] <abentley> kiko: cr3 apparently had this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/205156
[20:32] <kiko> abentley, I hate that
[20:33] <abentley> kiko: You can avoid it by ensuring both branches are packs.  (or knits, I suppose)
[20:58] <Syntux> Good day, If someone translated of an app that is not set up for translation in LP, what s/he should do ?
[21:00] <beuno> kiko, abentley, maybe a warning in code.lp.net for branches that are still in older formats would help push people to upgrade?
[21:00] <abentley> beuno: Like some kind of nag email?
[21:01] <beuno> abentley, it could be something *in* the branch itself in the page, and, well, nag mail would be better  :)
[21:02] <abentley> beuno: I can discuss that with the code team.
[21:03] <beuno> abentley, cool. Would really start to cut down on recurring knit incidents
[21:04] <kiko> Syntux, talk to the app maintainers, or translate in Ubuntu.
[22:00] <domas> hi! how to file branch-specific bug?
[22:00] <mtaylor> domas: you just file it!
[22:01] <mtaylor> domas: the project has to use launchpad as its bug tracker, I believe, for that to work
[22:01] <domas> mtaylor: but people would be annoyed if I'd track 'private' branch specific bugs
[22:01] <beuno> well, I'm not sure it goes both ways, as in "this bug is for the branch", as opposed to "this branch fixes this bug"
[22:02] <beuno> it's probably a project bug, and you can specify it's in trunk, or even a specific revision
[22:02] <domas> so generally, if I want something standalone, I have to create new project for that?
[22:02] <beuno> domas, yes, that's the drill
[22:03] <domas> damn :)
[22:03] <mtaylor> hm. this might get a little confusing then
[22:03] <beuno> in fact, branches are uploaded to projects
[22:03] <beuno> or +junk
[22:03] <beuno> which is not very encouraging  :)
[22:03] <mtaylor> yes - be we're about to have a flurry of "forks" of MySQL uploaded
[22:03] <mtaylor> some of which will have their own bugs.
[22:04] <mtaylor> interesting problem, domas
[22:04] <beuno> mtaylor, that's an interesting use case
[22:04]  * beuno pokes kiko
[22:04] <domas> beuno: I'm maintaining one mysql fork
[22:04] <domas> :)
[22:04] <mtaylor> I know of three active forks that have been uploaded already
[22:04] <mtaylor> I guess it would be easier if we were using launchpad for bugs...
[22:05] <mtaylor> domas: convince people we need to migrate bug trackers!
[22:05] <mtaylor> :)
[22:05] <domas> funny haha
[22:05] <kiko> mtaylor, take ~mysql, it's free now.
[22:05] <domas> mtaylor: yeah, in theory a fork should have a separate project
[22:05] <flyingparchment> after i push to bzr, when i try to view the revision on the website, it's really, really slow.  is that normal?
[22:06] <domas> flyingparchment: I'm getting 404s now
[22:06] <domas> it is even more than normal%)
[22:06] <beuno> flyingparchment, yes, Loggerhead is slowish for now, but there should be an upgrade to it soon  :)
[22:06] <domas> beuno: loggerhead throws 404s
[22:07] <domas> (thought you may be interested ;-)
[22:07] <flyingparchment> i got two 'please try again' messages ;-)
[22:07] <mtaylor> kiko: thanks
[22:08] <beuno> domas, what URL?
[22:08] <flyingparchment> oh, now it's 404
[22:08] <domas> beuno: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wikimedia/mysql/mysql-5.0/revision/2641
[22:08] <flyingparchment> beuno: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~wikimedia/mysql/mysql-5.0/revision/2641
[22:08] <beuno> it must be down again
[22:08] <domas> flyingparchment: ;-D
[22:08] <domas> who are you?!!?
[22:08] <beuno> mwhudson, poke  ^
[22:08] <mtaylor> kiko: got it. thanks
[22:09] <beuno> not sure he's up yet
[22:09] <beuno> kiko, is there anyone else who can revive loggerhead?
[22:09] <mwhudson> beuno: looking at it
[22:09] <beuno> mwhudson, :)
[22:10] <kiko> mtaylor, rock on!
[22:12] <domas> mtaylor: I wonder when we'll have dropdown for a branch in our bugs system :)
[22:12] <domas> mtaylor: did you see this one: http://mysqlha.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-have-created-project-at-launchpad-to.html ? :)
[22:12] <mtaylor> domas: yup
[22:12] <mtaylor> domas: as soon as we convince kiko to hook launchpad bugs up to mysql bugs
[22:12] <mtaylor> :)
[22:13] <kiko> I'm convinced! I just need an extra engineer
[22:13] <mtaylor> hehe
[22:13]  * domas sacrifices mtaylor
[22:13] <mtaylor> what? busy?
[22:13] <kiko> pas moi
[22:13] <domas> btw, when am I going to see 'you're out of quota' message? :)
[22:13] <mtaylor> domas: I actually tried to convince someone a while back that we should have canonical pay half of my salary and mysql the other half.
[22:13] <mtaylor> domas: the idea didn't actually go anywhere
[22:13] <domas> =)
[22:14] <flyingparchment> mtaylor: wouldn't it be better if they both paid all of it?
[22:14] <mtaylor> I used you as an example though!
[22:14] <mtaylor> flyingparchment: YES!
[22:14]  * mtaylor votes for flyingparchment's idea
[22:21] <mwhudson> loggerhead is back
[22:22]  * beuno cheers mwhudson
[22:23] <mwhudson> beuno: have i mentioned how much i like cherrypy recently?
[22:24] <beuno> mwhudson, I can sympathize to some extent  :)
[22:26] <oubiwann> hey guys, we'd like to get the divmod trac bug tracker added to the list of registered bug trackers
[22:26] <oubiwann> how do I go about doing that?
[22:45] <popey> what happens when you apply for a mailing list on launchpad? does a human review it in some way?
[22:53] <jcastro> popey: yep
[22:54] <jcastro> popey: if it's ubuntu related I decline it then mail you telling you to file an rt ticket instead.
[22:56] <popey> heh
[22:56] <popey> it is ubuntu related
[22:56] <popey> damnit
[22:57] <popey> I'll use an existing list for it jcastro, don't worry
[22:57] <jcastro> popey: declined. :D
[22:57] <popey> heh
[22:57] <popey> "Thanks"
[22:57] <jcastro> popey: if you send a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asking for one it's basically the same thing
[22:57] <popey> it comes to you?
[22:57] <popey> what's the lead time these days?
[22:57] <popey> *wink*
[22:57] <jcastro> there's an approval page
[22:57] <jcastro> oh, for the rt tickets
[22:57] <jcastro> heh
[22:58] <jcastro> you know what that answer is. :D
[22:58]  * popey whips jcastro


[03:26] <virusuy> hi all
[03:53] <maco> interesting to learn that the gnome people even get rid of theming features though!
[03:53] <maco> whoops
[03:54] <maco> that was sposed to be in a PM and was gtk engine murrine dropping scrollbar colour settings
[03:57] <highvoltage> so if you switched gtk theme you can still change scrollbar colours right?
[03:57] <highvoltage> and aren't you supposed to be american? :)
[04:07] <maco> highvoltage: just because i was born here doesn't mean i have to spell like a heathen
[04:07] <maco> except "tire," because "tyre" just looks silly
[04:08] <maco> highvoltage: i said "lorry" when talking to an english guy the other day and the americans standing next to us jumped! it amused me
[04:08] <maco> i told them i codeswitch and if there's an english person, they trump on whether to use english-english or american-english
[04:10] <StevenK> Tyre does not look silly!
[04:11] <StevenK> maco: You fully switch? For example, 'faucet' -> 'tap'; 'diaper' -> 'nappy' ?
[04:11] <maco> StevenK: those words tend not to come up so much, but i did ask about all the prams when we went to dinner during UDS
[04:12] <maco> all the words where i know they say something else, i swap out
[04:13] <maco> StevenK: and btw, we say tap and nappy here too sometimes.  i mean "tap water" is colloquial.  nappy is more used when talking to a child though
[04:13] <maco> its considered baby talk
[04:13] <StevenK> maco: Don't tempt me to feel insulted :-)
[04:22] <virusuy> where can i find an application who needs to be  packaged ?
[04:23] <maco> search for needs-packaging on bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[04:25] <virusuy> maco: ok! thanks ! and after create de package what i have to do ?
[04:25] <maco> virusuy: upload all the pieces of the source package (listed in the .dsc file, including the .dsc) to the bug
[04:25] <virusuy> maco: and somewone will check it , right ?
[04:26] <maco> virusuy: oh actually wait no. thats for new releases of old packages. sorry, upload it to revu
[04:26] <maco> !revu
[04:26] <virusuy> maco: cool! thanks
[04:37] <crabbytag> virusuy: if a package needs packaging, send it up to Debian as well
[04:37] <crabbytag> virusuy: you should file an ITP up there, if you plan on doing the work anyway :)
[04:38] <crabbytag> virusuy: after it's in top-notch shape, send to debain-mentors and close out the Ubuntu ITP as well as the Debian ITP
[04:38] <crabbytag> virusuy: since we pull from Debian automatically
[04:38] <virusuy> and ubuntu does just a "sync" from Debian, am i right ?
[04:38] <crabbytag> virusuy: you are
[04:39] <virusuy> crabbytag: cool, actually i cannot find a app to package, can you recommend me one? a easy one :-P
[04:39] <crabbytag> virusuy: check for RFP ( Request for Packaging ) bugs in Debian, I also think pabs ( Paul Wise ) has a list of cool software
[04:40] <crabbytag> virusuy: if I had something nifty I liked, I'd just do it myself ;)
[04:40] <virusuy> crabbytag: ok! i'll look in debian
[04:40] <crabbytag> virusuy: thanks!
[04:43] <virusuy> crabbytag: i found one .... work time!
[04:44] <virusuy> what happend when i found a RFP , and when i go to website, they already have .deb files to download ?
[04:47] <crabbytag> virusuy: you review what they have, and see if it's under a license you may use
[04:47] <crabbytag> virusuy: if it is, you base your work on that, and if it's unfit, please start from scratch
[04:48] <virusuy> crabbytag: ok
[04:48] <crabbytag> virusuy: be sure to turn the RFP into an ITP :)
[04:48] <crabbytag> virusuy: remember to always maintain copyright and clean up everything
[04:49] <virusuy> paultag: oki doki :-D
[04:49] <paultag> virusuy: let me know how it goes :)
[05:46] <c2tarun> can anyone please explain me this error. http://paste.ubuntu.com/563707/
[05:50] <StevenK> You don't have the Build-Depends installed
[05:55] <c2tarun> StevenK: Ok, I dont want to install them in my system. but I can install them on my pbuilder-dist any way i can do that?
[05:56] <StevenK> Then copy the source package directory inside a pbuilder chroot and run dpkg-buildpackage -S -uc -us from there
[05:57] <micahg> c2tarun: BTW, you shouldn't be using build1 for a version unless it's a rebuild of a Debian package that was sync'd
[05:59] <c2tarun> micahg: what should i use here then?
[05:59] <micahg> c2tarun: 2.0.6-0ubuntu1
[06:00] <c2tarun> micahg: but in changelog it was in build format, why so?
[06:00] <micahg> c2tarun: that was just a rebuild of the Debian import, not something with Ubuntu changes
[06:01] <c2tarun> micahg: ok
[06:01] <micahg> c2tarun: did uscan/uupdate not set up the right changelog or did you manually set this up?
[06:01] <chillywilly> W0000T!!!! Packers are the Superbowl Champs!!!!!!!
[06:03] <c2tarun> micahg: no i downloaded the older version by apt-get and there was no watch file so i downloaded newer version from site
[06:04] <micahg> c2tarun: there's a newer version on mentors.debian.net, maybe you want to coordinate with Debian on this update
[06:13] <c2tarun> micahg: which file should I upload as a my public key for gpg key?
[06:14] <micahg> c2tarun: there should be instructions on launchpad
[06:15] <c2tarun> micahg: ya i just saw :) thanks
[06:39] <c2tarun> micahg: there is a version on mentors.debian.net upper than version in our archives. How can I coordinate with them?
[06:44] <micahg> c2tarun: you could try commenting on debian 609789 about the new version on mentors and the new version upstream, if that doesn't get a response by the end of the week, try e-mailing the mentors uploader and the maintainer in the same e-mail and try to coordinate
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <simar> maco, if you don't mind can i ask you some help related to packaging .. i'm stuck at some point
[10:24] <Bachstelze> simar: why not just ask here for everyone to see?
[10:24] <mok0> inquisitive minds want to know
[10:25] <simar> Bachstelze, no problem .. i mean that would be my pleasure..
[10:25] <simar> i'm a bit new to packaging and is trying to resolve this one for dapper https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lighttpd/+bug/209627
[10:26] <simar> i know dapper is out now but that would be good practice for me
[10:27] <simar> using hardy sources (where bug is resolved) i found that 92_CVE-2008-1531.dpatch contains the code to fix the patch but the problem is that i do not understand the format of dpatch and there is no manual available on Internet
[10:28] <simar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/563767/ contains the patch
[10:29] <Bachstelze> simar: what's the problem ? The patch doesn't apply cleanly to the sources in DApper ?
[10:29] <simar> Bachstelze, i know how to do that. can i use the same patch and use in dapper sources...
[10:31] <Bachstelze> if it applies cleanly, yes
[10:33] <simar> Bachstelze, ok .. i will try to apply.. it
[10:33] <simar> Bachstelze, if you can tell me command that would make my half work done...
[10:34] <simar> i have downloaded the sources of both hardy and dapper and '''dpkg-source -x''' them in separate folders..
[10:36] <Bachstelze> simar: http://matrixhasu.altervista.org/index.php?view=use_dpatch
[10:37] <Bachstelze> simar: basically, copy the patch from the hardy package in debian/patches of the dapper package and try to apply it
[10:37] <Bachstelze> (don't forget to also edit debian/patches/00list to "enable" it)
[10:37] <simar> Bachstelze, I think i got it..
[10:37] <simar> i know that..
[10:38] <simar> but after i do that .. then what to do ..
[10:39] <Bachstelze> after that you update debian/changelog, create a package with debuild and see if it fixes the problem
[10:40] <simar> how can i check whether it fixes the problem .. i mean should i use pbuilder or virtualbox?
[10:41] <simar> Bachstelze,
[10:41] <Bachstelze> simar: you try to reproduce the bug
[10:42] <Bachstelze> pbuilder is just a tool to build the package, you can use it if you want, or just usez debuild
[10:42] <Bachstelze> it's unimportant
[10:42] <simar> Bachstelze, but i have maverick and i think the bug is already fixed here. I must have to have dapper to reproduce the bug.
[10:42] <Bachstelze> you just need to build the package, no matter how
[10:43] <Bachstelze> then yes, you can use virtualbox
[10:43] <simar> Bachstelze, can i build the package in maverick..?? without any of its interference..
[10:44] <simar> i mean it may get some build-depends from maverick .. may be??
[10:44] <Bachstelze> simar: yes, you can createz a Dapper pbuilder
[10:44] <Bachstelze> create*
[10:46] <simar> Bachstelze, ok.. i mean i must build the package in dapper pbuilder and then use VB to test whether the new one removes the bug or not...
[10:46] <Bachstelze> that would be one way to do it, yes
[10:46] <simar> Bachstelze, but from where can i get dapper iso now..
[10:47] <Bachstelze> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[10:47] <simar> Bachstelze, thanks
[10:48] <Bachstelze> actually
[10:48] <Bachstelze> they are still on releases.ubuntu/com
[10:48] <Bachstelze> .*
[10:50] <simar> one last thing .. plz help me to install pbuilder for dapper?? or tell other easy way if you know one..
[10:50] <Bachstelze> I think you can use pbuilder-dist for that
[10:51] <simar> pbuilder-dist dapper
[10:51] <simar> ??
[10:51] <Bachstelze> not sure, I don't use it myself
[10:51] <Bachstelze> I use this .pbuilderrc
[10:51] <Bachstelze> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Multiple%20pbuilders
[10:52] <Bachstelze> and env variables (DIST and ARCH)
[10:53] <simar> Bachstelze, Thanks you very much. I hope now I can do it..
[13:31] <drizt> hello!
[13:32] <drizt>  renamed a package. I updating my old (installing before renaming) package with apt-get install but it not removed old config files from /etc. I neen properly updating of my old package. How I should write rules file for it? I need to remove old config files (from old-name package) when installing new version of package
[13:51] <drizt> hey guys! is there anybody here? it's so hardy question? or is my english so bad?
[15:55] <c2tarun> how can i copy anthing from my home folder in pbuilder-dist environment?
[16:11] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: copy it from outside the pbuilder (the chroot is in /var/cache/pbuilder/build/something)
[16:12] <c2tarun> actually pbuilder env is in /var/cache/pb.... mine is in ~/pbuilder/
[16:13] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: pbuilder-dist doesn't set the buildplace, so it presumably still happens in /var/cache/pbuilder/build
[16:14] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: thanks :) i'll try
[16:49] <Laney> if I ship a file in a deb with changed permissions (excluded from fixperms), will dpkg maintain local (statoverride) permission changes?
[18:58] <simar> ari-tczew, hi
[18:58] <simar> ari-tczew, can i pm you
[19:07] <ari-tczew> simar: hello. sure.
[21:55] <drizt> hi. how i can see what command execute in the postinst and preinst sections when i install my package with apt-get install?
[21:57] <geser> drizt: add "set -x" near the top of the scripts
[21:58] <drizt> geser: you mean what i should add "set -x" to my .postinst file?
[21:59] <geser> yes
[21:59] <drizt> thank you. i will try. ... maybe is there is another way to do it?
[22:01] <drizt> what is mean "set -e" ? I have open my .postinst file and seem it on the top.
[22:01] <StevenK> If a command exits with a status that isn't 0, the script exits
[22:01] <drizt> ok thank you
[22:08] <drizt> I want to remove obsoletes conffiles. For it i must use .preinst file. I need to see upgrade parameter and if i got it remove old conffiles. Is it true?
[22:16] <MTecknology> drizt: looking for this? http://man.cx/dpkg-maintscript-helper
[22:17] <drizt> maybe ...
[22:18] <drizt> thank you.
[22:19] <drizt> damn. after rpm it so hardy for me!
[22:20] <MTecknology> what exactly are you trying to do?
[22:22] <drizt> i renamed package.
[22:23] <MTecknology> then ya, you want that page
[22:23] <drizt> after upgrade old package (with old name) i got couple of conffiles (from old and new packages).
[22:30] <drizt> MTecknology: thank you for man.cx now i can use firefox searching to find a manpage!
[22:36] <MTecknology> drizt: I gave you a link to the page you need
[22:36]  * MTecknology has to run off


[12:58] <czajkowski> I sent a mail yesterday to the -doc mailing list
[12:58] <czajkowski> could someone please approved it
[12:58] <czajkowski> thanks
[14:52] <cjohnston> Does anyone know how the help.ubuntu.com website works and why one page would have the new theme and another not so that I might be able to look at fixing it?


[20:22] <Nolte> Hey, could someone point me to the key/fingerprint used for signing the checksums of the release downloads?
[20:26] <diogenes_> Nolte, http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/xubuntu-releases/18.04/release/
[20:30] <Nolte> diogenes_ yes, I already got the download, the checksums and the matching sig...but in order to verify the sig, I need to fetch the pub key of the pair used to create the signature, no?
[20:30] <Nolte> So I was looking for the key/fingerprint of the "release keys"
[20:31] <diogenes_> Nolte, https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[20:32] <Nolte> diogenes_ perfect! Many thanks :)
[20:33] <diogenes_> yw
[23:48] <swift110> sup