[01:27] <ShippD> nobody here
[01:28] <pico> some people are here
[01:37] <pico> does anyone know how to set the default timezone?
[01:39] <slangasek> pico: run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' from the shell
[01:42] <pico> many thanks! also, is there a difference between the shell you get with adb shell and the terminal app? the adb shell's PATH can't find sudo
[01:47] <slangasek> pico: yes, in the current images there's a difference - 'adb shell' gives you a shell in the android environment and the terminal app gives you one in the Ubuntu chroot.  Starting roughly next week, 'adb shell' will also give you an Ubuntu shell.
[01:47] <slangasek> this is probably documented in the wiki, though I wouldn't be able to tell you where :)
[01:47] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[01:47] <jcastro> is what you want to bookmark
[01:48] <jcastro> you have to do the tzdata thing every time you flash at the moment
[01:48] <jcastro> good to know we're consolidating the adb/chroot thing
[01:51] <pico> thanks, I really should have read the topic...
[02:06] <jcastro> no worries, just pay it forward!
[02:31] <mhall119> jcastro: we're not really consilidating it, we're swapping it from "Ubuntu chroot on top of Android" to "Android chroot on top of Ubuntu"
[02:32] <mhall119> though I'm not 100% it'll be a chroot in the new setup
[04:12] <Zarkeo> Hello I am having trouble installing ubuntu touch to my Nexus 10. When I run sudo phablet-flash -b -l i get the following error "Error while downloading, ensure connection"
[04:13] <Zarkeo> Full output: jwhorto1@Jaycen-Lenovo:~/Downloads/adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20130522/sdk/platform-tools$ sudo phablet-flash -b -l The -l/--latest option is deprecated, latest is now the default Device detected as manta Download set to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview//daily-preinstalled/current Starting new HTTP connection (1): cdimage.ubuntu.com Starting new HTTP connection (1): cdimage.ubuntu.com Download directory
[04:13] <mhall119> Zarkeo: you shouldn't need sudo
[04:13] <Zarkeo> without sudo, same problem
[04:13] <mhall119> Zarkeo: can you get to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ in your browser?
[04:13] <Zarkeo> Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2013-06-18 21:09:22 ERROR 404: Not Found.
[04:13] <Zarkeo> yes
[04:14] <mhall119> 404 means no
[04:14] <Zarkeo> the 404 is only from shell
[04:14] <mhall119> well, it means you got to *something*
[04:14] <mhall119> but not the right page
[04:15] <Zarkeo> Downloading http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview//daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip --2013-06-18 21:09:22--  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview//daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip Resolving cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)... <IP_ADDRESS>, 2001:67c:1360:8c01::21, 2001:67c:1360:8c01::1f, ... Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubunt
[04:15] <Zarkeo> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2013-06-18 21:09:22 ERROR 404: Not Found.  Error while downloading, ensure connection
[04:16] <mhall119> oh, raring, that's the problem
[04:16] <Zarkeo> Spent a couple hours trying various workarounds, to no avail. Help is much much much appreciated.
[04:16] <mhall119> you need to make sure you have the latest version of phablet-tools installed
[04:16] <mhall119> it should be looking for saucy images, not raring ones
[04:17] <mhall119> apt-get udpate && apt-get upgrade
[04:17] <mhall119> you should get phablet-tools 0.14something
[04:18] <Zarkeo> trying now
[04:18] <AskUbuntu> How to use Google Contacts in Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/309982
[04:22] <Zarkeo> However, before running apt-upgrade, i got
[04:22] <Zarkeo> apt-cache show phablet-tools Package: phablet-tools Priority: extra Section: admin Installed-Size: 141 Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Architecture: all Version: 0.14daily13.05.29ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1
[04:23] <Zarkeo> apt-upgrade still running, will still try after fiished, regardless
[04:24] <mhall119> yeah, I have 0.14daily13.06.15-0ubuntu1 installed on saucy
[04:26] <mhall119> what Ubuntu release are you on?
[04:27]  * mhall119 is betting Quantal
[04:29] <Zarkeo> I am running 12.10
[04:29] <Zarkeo> same error after upgrade
[04:29] <mhall119> yup, quantal, for some reason the phablet-tools PPA doesn't have the latest package for quantal
[04:29] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/tools/+packages
[04:30] <mhall119> best to ask when Europe gets started for the day, someone should be able to get the latest package built for Quantal
[04:30] <Zarkeo> Perhaps upgrading to 13.04 would do as well?
[04:30] <mhall119> it would, make sure you re-enable the PPA
[04:31] <Zarkeo> Will try that, thanks for help so far. Much appreciated,
[05:26] <tvoss> zsombi, is the time more convenient for you?
[05:26] <zsombi> tvoss: yes, excellent! sorry, yesterday my network went off and couldn't get it back
[05:27] <tvoss> zsombi, no worries
[05:28] <zsombi> tvoss: (I have dentist @ 4:45 UTC+3 :/)
[05:28] <tvoss> zsombi, fun ... not :)
[05:28] <zsombi> tvoss: :D
[06:21] <Zarkeo> Help installing touch to Nexus 10 would be appreciated
[06:21] <Zarkeo> I am getting HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2013-06-18 23:19:32 ERROR 404: Not Found.  Error while downloading, ensure connection
[06:22] <Zarkeo> after running phablet-flash -b
[06:35] <Zarkeo> fyi I got it to work with: phablet-flash -b -r raring/monthly-06
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: hey!
[07:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: on https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/webbrowser-app/assets-under-usr-share/+merge/168813, it's not "just" a lintian warning, it shows things we are normally not doing
[07:29] <didrocks> oSoMoN: like shipping arch independant files in multiple packages
[07:29] <didrocks> so we are duplicating the icons between all archs
[07:29] <oSoMoN> didrocks: I understand that, but fixing it would require important changes in the code
[07:29] <didrocks> and that eat mirror disk space
[07:29] <didrocks> oSoMoN: how about that:
[07:29] <oSoMoN> didrocks: ah, good point, I didn’t think of that
[07:29] <didrocks> - having all asset in an arch: all package under /usr/share
[07:29] <didrocks> - using symlinks in the arch-dependant path under /usr/lib/ ?
[07:30] <didrocks> that should avoid the extra complexity
[07:30] <didrocks> and will enable to have something cleaner (we need that for all apps)
[07:30] <oSoMoN> didrocks: that’s an option indeed, would you mind writing it in the MR for the record? I won’t have time to get to it before I leave on holidays tonight
[07:31] <didrocks> oSoMoN: no hurry anyway, but yeah, let's think about it. I think that may be an option, we need to come with a solution which we can integrate easily for all QML apps
[07:31] <didrocks> as I think it's not an isolated case and won't be in the future for sure :)
[07:31] <oSoMoN> didrocks: agreed
[07:31] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ok, copying/pasting that discussion, thanks!
[07:33] <didrocks> enjoy your holidays as well :)
[07:34] <oSoMoN> thanks, will do for sure :)
[07:35] <didrocks> heh :)
[09:24] <JamesTai2> Good morning all - have a happy, relaxed World Sauntering Day. :)
[09:38] <popey> hmm, phablet-flash --list-revisions only shows quantal and raring for me
[09:44] <webcommander> Hey guys . i am having trouble installing ubuntu phone on my nexus 4
[09:47] <webcommander> it says : Resolving cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)... <IP_ADDRESS>, 2001:67c:1360:8c01::1f, 2001:67c:1360:8c01::20, ... Connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com (cdimage.ubuntu.com)|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2013-06-19 10:34:31 ERROR 404: Not Found.  Error while downloading, ensure connection when i try install it
[09:48] <didrocks> popey: diet for you, no saucy :)
[09:53] <popey> webcommander: can you pastebin the full output of you running whatever command?
[09:54] <webcommander>  phablet-flash -b Device detected as mako Download set to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview//daily-preinstalled/current Starting new HTTP connection (1): cdimage.ubuntu.com Starting new HTTP connection (1): cdimage.ubuntu.com Download directory set to /home/domantas/Downloads/phablet-flash/saucy-17 Retrieving files Downloading http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview//daily-preinstalled/current/raring-pr
[09:54] <popey> didrocks: wise! got some exercise last night walking round my local town turning it from blue to green though ☻
[09:54] <popey> webcommander: paste.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <popey> please paste there
[09:55] <webcommander> i pasted it
[09:55] <popey> (then give us the urle)
[09:55] <popey> -e
[09:55] <webcommander> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5779958/
[09:55] <popey> thanks
[09:56] <popey> webcommander: you should probably update your phablet-tools package, you're getting raring files when you should be getting saucy
[09:56] <popey> webcommander: 0.14daily<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1 is the version of phablet-tools I'm running here and it works fine
[09:57] <popey> apt-cache policy phablet-tools
[09:57] <popey> will tell you what version you have
[09:57] <webcommander>  Installed: 0.14daily13.05.29ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1
[09:57] <popey> ye olde
[09:57] <webcommander> what do i type to update my phablet-tools
[09:57] <popey> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:58] <webcommander> doing it
[09:58] <didrocks> popey: ahah! it's more difficult while biking though :)
[09:59] <popey> hah
[10:02] <webcommander> did not update
[10:02] <popey> webcommander: how did you install phablet-tools? You should have a PPA enabled for it
[10:03] <webcommander> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:03] <popey> no, how did you originally install phablet-tools?
[10:03] <webcommander> ~$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[10:04] <popey> can you pastebin the entire output of "apt-cache policy phablet-tools" please?
[10:05] <webcommander> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5779990/
[10:05] <popey> ahh, you're running quantal?
[10:05] <webcommander> ye
[10:06] <popey> looks like the phablet-tools package hasn't been updated for 12.10 (quantal). Not sure whether that was a deliberate decision or not
[10:07] <webcommander> ok so i have to instal ubuntu 13.04
[10:07] <popey> will ask the developers when they awake in a few hours
[10:07] <popey> thats _one_ option
[10:07] <popey> but probably not the only option
[10:07] <popey> you may be able to get away with just grabbing the raring phablet-tools deb package from the ppa and install that on 12.10
[10:07] <popey> worth a go ☻
[10:07] <webcommander> thanks, i will try that and come back later if it does not work
[10:19] <asac> sergiusens: do u have a phablet-tools ppa/branch to try the flipped image?
[10:20] <ogra_> grrr
[10:21] <ogra_> asac, i think sergiusens is on vac. until friday
[10:28] <daker> hey oSoMoN anyidea why the browser doesn't pick the ubuntu light font ? is it a bug ?
[10:35] <oSoMoN> daker: no idea why, but there is a bug report to track the issue
[10:36] <oSoMoN> daker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1186372
[10:52] <Asad2005> If I install the ubuntu touch now and have no problem if some apps crash sometimes, would my phone be usable in terms of contacts,sms, calls..etc or just for testing purpose? Is it just like ubuntu beta in PC. How about the playstore apps can install them
[10:52] <om26er> We are not getting latest versions of some apps in the latest images...
[10:53] <om26er> phone-app is a week behind with its updates
[10:53] <Asad2005> and how about the first part of the question
[10:54] <Asad2005> Will my phone be usable but with some crashes which is ok with me
[10:59] <nik90> Asad2005: It depends on the mobile device you have.
[10:59] <nik90> Asad2005: on the nexus 4, the contacts, sms, calls, wifi, 3G are working.
[11:00] <Asad2005> ok thanks its nexus 4
[11:01] <nik90> Asad2005: then you are good to go :-)
[11:05] <JamesTait> tvoss, mhr3, about X-Ubuntu-Touch in the .desktop file - is the intended meaning "This is an application like any other that is also compatible with Touch", or "This is an application like any other that is enhanced for Touch", or "This is an application that is specifically targeted at Touch (i.e. has a touch interface hardware requirement) and not useful elsewhere"?
[11:05] <Asad2005> How do i confirm this  'adb devices' should not show the device as 'offline'
[11:06] <Asad2005> i issued adb devices and it gave me a number then device
[11:06] <Asad2005> does that mean its ok on line
[11:08] <mhr3> JamesTait, i'd say "This is an application like any other that is also compatible with Touch"
[11:09] <popey> Asad2005: if "adb devices" shows a serial number then "device" then it's all good
[11:10] <JamesTait> mhr3, OK.  So is it fair to say that if an application doesn't have that property, or the property is present and set to false, that the app is not suitable for Touch-based devices?
[11:11] <mhr3> JamesTait, that was the idea yes, only apps with that will category be presented on the device
[11:12] <JamesTait> mhr3, perfect, thanks!
[11:17] <asac> bzoltan: sdk talk ok here? or prefer other channel?
[11:18] <bzoltan> asac: sure it is good here
[11:18] <asac> have troubles getting simple touch app with c++ backend to work. just used the wizard, but cant run it
[11:18] <asac> sounds familiar?
[11:19] <bzoltan> asac: yes it does
[11:19] <bzoltan> asac: are you on raring?
[11:19] <asac> ok... so not ready yet? saw that the other qt quick examples use a main.cpp
[11:19] <asac> no ...saucy
[11:20] <bzoltan> asac:  on saucy we are weak
[11:21] <asac> bzoltan: why?
[11:21] <bzoltan> asac: I just made the new QtC build for saucy -> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/experimental/+build/4727156
[11:21] <asac> so i should grab that?
[11:21] <bzoltan> asac: because we support 4 releases with tools and libs
[11:21] <bzoltan> asac: yes, please
[11:21] <asac> ok. who is working with you on automating that?
[11:22] <asac> should i enable that ppa?
[11:22] <asac> or just install the debs?
[11:22] <bzoltan> asac: i would not.. that is just a sendbox I use
[11:22] <bzoltan> asac: just install the debs
[11:23] <bzoltan> asac: qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu and qtcreator
[11:23] <asac> bzoltan: ok... now the simple UI with C++ backend doesnt exist ... just extension library
[11:23] <bzoltan> asac: i assume you are done with this-> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[11:24] <asac> is there a qml test app possible in that too or do i need two projects now?
[11:24] <bzoltan>  asac:  we do not suggest/support hybrid QML/Qt application model
[11:24] <asac> hmm. would really like to have one thing
[11:24] <asac> because thats how i would develop apps that need something new
[11:25] <asac> rememeber that for stuff that isnt in our platform we will tell people that they have to punch that into their click package
[11:25] <bzoltan> asac:  we would like to keep the C++backends and the QML apps separate
[11:25] <asac> so the development model of doing the libs separately is only interesting for ... maybe platform people, but not really app devs
[11:25] <asac> bzoltan: who is we?
[11:25] <bzoltan> we as Ubuntu and we as canonical
[11:25] <asac> that doesnt match my mental model
[11:26] <asac> as i said... if you are an app dev you want one project ... one shot
[11:26] <asac> no questions asked
[11:26] <asac> thats our primary audience :)
[11:26] <asac> or am i wrong? :-P
[11:26] <bzoltan> asac: yes, if you are an app developer then do the apps in QML/JS
[11:26] <asac> not really.
[11:26] <asac> i want to develop an app and need C++ for that :)
[11:26] <bzoltan> if you need something more.. .you can use all the QML plugins available on the platform
[11:27] <asac> and lots of people will
[11:27] <ogra_> if you do, you rather want to write a QML C++ backend for your QML/js app
[11:27] <bzoltan> asac: hard to explain ... it is a long story. Are you OK for a quick hangout
[11:27] <asac> ogra_: but i will not ship it separately
[11:27] <asac> because we have no means to ship libs separately
[11:28] <asac> we have a) in platform by us ... or b) as part of the app package ...
[11:28] <ogra_> asac, no, it will be shipped in the platform api after you submitted it
[11:28] <asac> sigh
[11:28] <asac> a) either its in platform
[11:28] <asac> b) or you have to put it in your app package
[11:28] <ogra_> (i'm not necessarily agreeing, but i understan the plan behind it)
[11:29] <ogra_> b should not happen
[11:29] <ogra_> in the current world order
[11:29] <asac> well, you have to be pragmatic
[11:29] <asac> platform api will be super stable
[11:29] <asac> adding stuff will be wrangling since we will maintain it forever
[11:29] <ogra_> but will get added features over time
[11:29] <ogra_> as long as thhey dont break existing ones
[11:29] <asac> so in order to keep innovation high, its inevitablethat you need b)
[11:30] <ogra_> you need b as a developer who hacks around stuff
[11:30] <asac> whatever yhou do, platform api will not meet the needs for a whole bunch of cool innovative apps that could be built
[11:30] <bzoltan> asac:  the bottom line is that Ubuntu Touch app development is QML/JS or HTML5 ... if you need C++, you will make QML plugins, packages and distributed separately
[11:30] <ogra_> you will not have b in a stable release, either of the app or the platform
[11:31] <ogra_> (as i said, i'm not necessarily agreeing, but that is how it is designed today and how it was communicated to devs from day one ... i didnt see anyone scream up about it yet)
[11:32] <asac> who is the messenger?
[11:32] <asac> the seed of this message?
[11:32] <ogra_> everyone related to app development
[11:32] <asac> I need to talk to him :-P
[11:32] <asac> ok so pat :)
[11:32] <ogra_> not sure when or how it was decided to go that route
[11:32] <asac> i dont think it was ... i think something was decided that morphed into the interpretation that we hear here now :)
[11:33] <bzoltan> asac: it was
[11:33] <bzoltan> asac: I was and am on this topic very much. You can run it with Pat or Richard.
[11:33] <asac> i can accept that we said we don't support this for 13.10... i can't accept that we said that our sdk will not support those that need a C++ backend for their qml app
[11:34] <asac> for the full story :)
[11:34] <asac> but well... i will catch up on that topic
[11:34] <bzoltan> asac: we can revisit the decision of course.. i am not religious :) but it was decided after considering all other options and consequences
[11:34] <ogra_> nobody said you are not able to write C++
[11:34] <asac> personally, i believe it is not that difficult and very benefitical
[11:34] <asac> so lets see, lets see
[11:34] <asac> bzoltan: yeah
[11:34] <asac> all good
[11:34] <bzoltan> asac: we _DO_ suppport C++ backends
[11:34] <ogra_> the point is that if you add a C++ module it should be in a way that all benefit from it
[11:35] <xnox> tweaked build/* to use system-wide toolchain if available, slowly progressing with gcc-4.8 build of grouper.
[11:35] <asac> so going back on topic... now if i want to build my own backend to be used by my qml app
[11:35] <bzoltan> asac: but we want developers to write QML apps and not C++ apps with QML UI
[11:35] <asac> do i create two projects?
[11:35] <ogra_> so you shoouldnt ship it in your app but submit it to the platform api
[11:35] <asac> and can make them depend on each other?
[11:35] <xnox> and fixing failures as it goes along....
[11:35] <bzoltan> asac: Yes, you create a backend project and an app project
[11:35]  * ogra_ is curious if anything will work at all after xnox is done :)
[11:36] <ogra_> gcc 4.8 sounds so scary :)
[11:36] <asac> bzoltan: and it will just build all in one shot?
[11:36] <asac> and i can express dependencies?
[11:36] <bzoltan> asac: That is the beauty ... you do notbuild the QML/JS app
[11:36] <ogra_> no dependencies in click packages :)
[11:37] <ogra_> (except on the API)
[11:37] <Asad2005> i have just installed ubuntu touch nexus 4 and having network error how do i set up network
[11:37] <bzoltan> asac: True and important that we have absolutely no concept about the intake of the plugins...
[11:38] <bzoltan> Asad2005: I would open the QtCreator and clone the network of my PC to the device
[11:38] <ogra_> Asad2005, saucy ? there are some bugs ... but using phablet-network-setup from your PC and a reboot should work
[11:38] <Asad2005> with device connected to pc?
[11:39] <ogra_> yes
[11:39] <ogra_> phablet-network-setup copies the working wlan connection data from your PC over
[11:39] <asac> bzoltan: maybe we could include an example qml file in the extension library template?
[11:39] <asac> would help me to get over the first line :)
[11:40] <Asad2005> i dont have wifi in my pc only wired
[11:40] <Asad2005> ogra_: i dont have wifi in my pc only wired
[11:41] <ogra_> yeah, thats tricky then i think
[11:41] <Asad2005> From the phone how do i get to the setting app
[11:41] <bzoltan> asac: We can do that... What I do is to create the plugin project.. make a .deb and install it on the phablet/pc and just use it from the app project. ... 3-4 clicks
[11:42] <ogra_> settings are only acceessible from the top panel ... if you tap on the clock entry the settings panel opens
[11:42] <asac> bzoltan: so mything catches the type "mynew1" ... but i cannot import mynew1 0.1
[11:43] <asac> bzoltan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5780190/
[11:43] <xnox> ogra_: heh, well as linus says """ "gression testing"? What's that? If it compiles, it is good; if it boots up, it is perfect."""
[11:44] <Asad2005> Ok i got it, howdo i now setup my gmail and contact sync
[11:44] <ogra_> xnox, haha
[11:44] <asac> bah ... i give up for now. i can't even build this extension library project... only the individual files in the UI :)
[11:45] <xnox> asac: doesn't the terminal app from core-apps, have VT c++ module with QML wrapper around it?
[11:45] <asac> is that developed in qtcreator?
[11:45] <asac> wanted to figure the qtcreator experience as well
[11:46] <ogra_> Asad2005, http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[11:46] <asac> xnox: where do i find the source?
[11:46] <xnox> asac: lp:ubuntu-terminal-app
[11:47] <asac> coolio
[11:47] <ogra_> it is preinstalled
[11:47] <ogra_> open the hud in the app lens and search for term
[11:47] <asac> xnox: i think that doesnt have a qtcreator thing included
[11:47] <asac> well... maybe i shouldn't use our IDE :)
[11:47] <asac> lol
[11:48] <asac> well, i hoped for nice syntax and auto expansion support :)
[11:48] <asac> oh wait
[11:48] <xnox> asac: also it looks like the plugin is separate in lp:ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin sigh
[11:49] <asac> no ... that doesnt really help i think
[11:49] <asac> yeah ... hell. i just a one shot experience :)
[11:55] <bzoltan>  asac:  sorry, my env is messed since I am doing and testingth enew release of the QtC ...
[11:56] <asac> no prob
[11:56] <asac> bzoltan: so i found my libUbuntuExample.so finally :) ...
[11:56] <asac> ../build-mycppapp-Desktop-Debug/backend
[11:56] <asac> how can i add that to the qtcreator project as something to consider? LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[11:57] <netcurli> asac: in the qmlproject file there is "importPaths"
[11:57] <asac> hi netcurli ... let me check
[11:58] <Asad2005> IS there a how to for using the phone, home button, back button ....etc
[11:58] <asac> netcurli: is that also in the UI somewhere?
[11:59] <asac> netcurli: ok ... d i just put the path there?
[12:00] <ogra_> Asad2005, not yet, there will be a tour later
[12:00] <netcurli> I think you have to put the path to the directory above where the .so file is
[12:00] <ogra_> Asad2005, essentially all the edges and swiping is how you use it
[12:00] <ogra_> there are no actual buttons needed
[12:01] <Asad2005> what about unlocking the screen and how do i install apps from playstore
[12:01]  * asac can't find the importpath feature in the UI for projects in qtcreator
[12:07] <xnox> asac: in your project double click on .qmlproject file, it has importPaths setting.
[12:07] <xnox> so it's part of the source....
[12:12] <Asad2005> Do i need to install qtcreator in my PC?
[12:13] <ogra_> if you want to develop apps
[12:16] <Asad2005> ogra_: I want to install apps from playstore
[12:16] <ogra_> you cant run android apps on ubuntu touch
[12:24] <Asad2005> ogra_: adb reboot-bootloader: command not found
[12:24] <xnox> Asad2005: adb reboot bootloader
[12:24] <ogra_> no dash
[12:24] <Asad2005> this was from the install wiki
[12:25] <Asad2005> ogra_: same it did not work
[12:26] <Asad2005> ogra_: can i reboot device by vol up/down and power to accomplish this
[12:27] <ogra_> stgraber, looking through your code, i would very much like to get rid of /tmpmnt ... i wonder if we could do that with clever re-ordeing (mount /data and move it to $rootfs later or so)
[12:27] <xnox> ogra_: so grouper build has finished. And I have a few *.img and *.zip. So can I just replace "raring-preinstalled-armle+grouper.zip" with my "cm-10.1-20130619-UNOFFICIAL-grouper.zip" ?
[12:28] <ogra_> Asad2005, well, that it doesnt work is a bit weird, did you use phablet-flash to install ?
[12:28] <Asad2005> ogra_: yes
[12:28] <ogra_> xnox, yes, but you need to flash the armhf zip too afterwards, so it picks up the android initrd from /system/boot/
[12:29] <Asad2005> Yes i want to restore android
[12:29] <ogra_> xnox, alternatively, flash, boot into recovery and cp -a /system/boot/* /data/ubuntu/boot/
[12:29] <xnox> ogra_: so I flash the one I built.zip and then flash raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip on top ?
[12:29] <ogra_> before doing the first boot ...
[12:30] <ogra_> right, either that or copy th eandroid ramdisk manually for the container
[12:30] <ogra_> it picks it up from /boot on startup (which translates physically to /data/ubuntu/boot)
[12:30] <Asad2005> ogra_: I dont get it, i have installed as per the wiki step 1 to 4
[12:31] <xnox> Asad2005: which wiki page?
[12:31] <ogra_> Asad2005, right, if you do adb shell, does it say @android in the shell prompt ?
[12:31] <Asad2005> Now at the end of thewiki it says restore android and i am following that but getting that error
[12:31] <Asad2005> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[12:32] <Asad2005> yes
[12:32] <ogra_> Asad2005, you can always reboot holing the vol keys to get to bootloader, but to prevent others from having these problems it would be helpful to know why it is broken
[12:33] <ogra_> (especially since it seems to work for others)
[12:33] <ogra_> is the adb shell running as root ?
[12:33] <ogra_> (does it say shell@ or root@ in the prompt ?)
[12:33] <Asad2005> ok i have extracted the archieve of original image and cd into that folder then run that command
[12:33] <Asad2005> yes root@android
[12:34] <ogra_> hmm, then the reboot bootloader should just work
[12:34] <Asad2005> do i need to issue that command after adb shell
[12:34] <ogra_> it should just work without being in the shell
[12:34] <ogra_> but adb needs to be runnng as root first
[12:34] <Asad2005> or from my pc terminal
[12:35] <Asad2005> ok i will try as root
[12:35] <ogra_> from your PC terminal indeed, with the device attached and after "adb root"
[12:35] <ogra_> else you would be just the shell user, and that does not have the privileges to issue a reboot
[12:36] <Asad2005> ok it worked as root
[12:36] <Asad2005> thanks
[12:37] <ogra_> good, phew, so nothing is broken :)
[12:37] <Asad2005> ogra_: one more question, the original image i have downloaded is .tgz not zip format is that ok
[12:38] <ogra_> no
[12:38] <ogra_> oh wait, you mean the android image
[12:38] <ogra_> yeah, thats ok
[12:38] <Asad2005> yes
[12:42] <webcommander> how does one install apps on ubuntu touch
[12:42] <popey> webcommander: we have a couple of PPAs with some apps in
[12:43] <popey> webcommander: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~popey/+junk/phablet-flash-wrapper/view/head:/add_apps.sh
[12:43] <popey> that script, run on your laptop/desktop will install some
[12:43] <xnox> ogra_: my "bootsplash" looks like "A N D R O I D _" is that normal?
[12:44] <ogra_> heh, not really, but the groouper kernel is screwed up wrt fbcon
[12:45] <ogra_> just ignore the screen :) it should hopefully go away with the next kernel upload
[12:46] <xnox> ogra_: yeah, I think i am stuck in a reboot loop and it throws me into recovery.
[12:46] <ogra_> xnox, adb shell in recovery ...
[12:46] <ogra_> then cat /proc/last_kmsg
[12:46] <ogra_> that gives you the boot log from last failed boot
[12:47] <ogra_> (dmesg and all console output)
[12:47] <ogra_> oh, wait
[12:48] <ogra_> xnox, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.bootimg-grouper dd that into the LNX partition and try again
[12:48] <ogra_> your system zip might include the wrong boot.img
[12:49] <xnox> ogra_: download that, adb push, and then from adb shell, dd that into where?
[12:49] <ogra_> find /dev -name LNX
[12:50] <xnox> ogra_: ack. one moment.
[12:50] <ogra_> likely somewhere under /dev/block/foo/bar/by-name
[12:50] <xnox> yeah found it.
[12:51] <diwic> hmm, every time Nexus 4 shut down its screen, ssh stops working. I assume it's some autosuspend feature - any way to avoid that?
[12:52] <diwic> just annoying having to press the power button all the time :-)
[12:52] <xnox> ogra_: seeing loads of boot messages, and at init-bottom it gets stuck and reboots again. =/
[12:53] <ogra_> diwic, use adb in parallel, that prevents suspend
[12:53] <ogra_> xnox, can you pastebin the last_kmsg output ?
[12:53] <xnox> ogra_: i was hoping to build something for raring / phablet-preview images. instead of saucy. as at least i know that
[12:53] <webcommander> i tryed to run the script throught terminal but it just opened it
[12:54] <ogra_> adb shell cat /proc/last_kmsg | pastebinit
[12:54] <diwic> ogra_, thanks
[12:54] <popey> webcommander: how did you try to run the script?
[12:54] <ogra_> xnox, oh
[12:54] <ogra_> xnox,, well, then using the flipped bootimg will indeed not work
[12:54] <webcommander> ./add_apps.sh
[12:54] <popey> webcommander: at that point (assuming your phone is connected via usb) it should connect and start doing stuff
[12:55] <ogra_> xnox, but that also means that you have to do all debugging from android instead of ubuntu
[12:55] <popey> can you paste the output from the terminal into http://paste.ubuntu.com and give me the url?
[12:55] <xnox> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5780352/
[12:56] <ogra_> xnox, looks good, i bet it would work with a flipped saucy image (at least to the point that you can adb into the ubuntu rootfs ... and debug the android container
[12:56] <ogra_> )
[12:56] <ogra_> unflipped raring is a different beast since that first boots you into android
[12:57] <dholbach> .
[12:57] <bzoltan> asac: with the backend project in the qtc you just hit a bug ... i fixed it. you can build the backend on the device but you need to fix a script like this https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-qtcreator-plugins/fix_packaging/+merge/170314 on your env  in order to make it work
[12:58] <xnox> ogra_: ok, let me look into installing flipped saucy (normal) and check if that works on my nexus7 and then try fiddling with it to use these .img files.
[12:58] <asac> bzoltan: cool. when will this land?
[12:58] <asac> so i can try the deb?
[12:58] <ogra_> xnox, right
[12:59] <bzoltan> asac:  tomorrow
[12:59] <ogra_> the last flipped saucy will work on the n7 but be a bit noisy on the screen on boot
[12:59] <asac> bzoltan: thx
[12:59] <bzoltan> asac:  we do not have too many users for beta testing :)
[12:59] <asac> bzoltan: can i just copy the file somewhere here locally?
[13:00] <popey> webcommander: are you doing this on a mac running osx?
[13:00] <bzoltan> asac: i need to make this c++ backend with QML app scenario smooth..
[13:00] <bzoltan> asac:  sure
[13:00] <webcommander> no partition
[13:00] <tvoss> charles, mind if I note you down for my two action items? I put myself down there as a reminder mostly :)
[13:01] <asac> odd that i cant navigate from the merge/diff view directly to the file
[13:01] <popey> webcommander: eh?
[13:01] <webcommander> i have two systems on my hard drive
[13:01] <popey> webcommander: and you're running ubuntu now?
[13:01] <charles> tvoss: the define & implement TODO items? sounds good
[13:01] <webcommander> yeah
[13:01] <tvoss> charles, exactly, great and thx :)
[13:03] <webcommander> i did it . i just added bash infront of the location of the script
[13:03] <webcommander> thanks
[13:03] <webcommander> bye guys
[13:03] <popey> heh
[13:06] <nik90> hi popey :)
[13:06] <popey> hello!
[13:06] <popey> So my wishlist item is that when I flash the device, i want data to be saved as well as my home
[13:06] <popey> e.g. I install vnstat to keep an eye on network usage (we don't have capped plans in the UK so I need to keep an eye on data usage), and vnstat stores its data in /var/lib/vnstat
[13:07] <popey> which gets lost every time I flash the device, which is annoying
[13:07] <ogra_> xnox, btw, you might want to take over this blueprint ... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-android-builds-revisited
[13:08] <xnox> ogra_: nah, doko is still on the hook to deliver all of this ;-)
[13:08] <ogra_> oh ? he does the android packaging now ?
[13:09] <davmor2> popey: couldn't you just get everything to write to home and then symlink to their correct places and kill 2 birds so to speak
[13:09] <xnox> ogra_: no, just bionic/toolchain
[13:09] <ogra_> well, the spec is for the whole of the android packaging ... iirc doko only had two WIs
[13:10] <asac> dobey: can you update your WI in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-android-builds-revisited ?
[13:10] <asac> err
[13:10] <popey> davmor2: the symlinks would need recreating every time I flash, so whatever it still needs manual intervention
[13:10] <popey> which I don't want
[13:10] <jaywink> popey, made a little post-flash script where you could hdd the vnstat stuff and just do it after a flash to reinstall stuff https://github.com/jaywink/ubuntu-post-install/blob/master/ubuntu-touch-post-flash-script.sh
[13:10] <xnox> ogra_: right, I see. Yeah, i guess i'll be uploading/preparing/landing that android.dsc
[13:10] <asac> dobey: ignore
[13:10] <davmor2> popey: but you would at least retain your data, it might be a good temporary work around maybe at least
[13:11] <popey> hmmmmm
[13:11] <popey> yeah, jaywink i have a post-install script, just rather not have to fiddle about ☻
[13:11] <jaywink> popey, aight :)
[13:11] <popey> and this is one use case, what about the others
[13:11] <popey> where other people might have some other database somewhere (they shouldn't of course, but may)
[13:12] <jaywink> so annoyed that my N9 broke, so I have to use my Nexus phone as my primary phone now and cannot see how ubuntu touch develops any more for a while :(
[13:13] <davmor2> popey: is there an adb pull to get info off the system?  if so you could write a small script that pulls all the data you want to keep that isn't in home, flash the device and then push the data back again post flash?
[13:14] <davmor2> jaywink: ubuntu touch has phone/sms/terminal/browser/wifi/3g what more could you need ;)
[13:14] <netcurli> popey: I have a new version of https://launchpad.net/akari that you could put in the collection ppa
[13:15] <popey> netcurli: sure thing!
[13:15] <popey> davmor2: yes, that's what I have now, but it's messy
[13:16] <davmor2> popey: :(
[13:17] <chris123> good morning.  i am trying to ssh into the phablet (nexus4) with the latest build, and the password "phablet" isnt working, was this changed?
[13:19] <popey> chris123: not that I'm aware of
[13:19] <chris123> i think i forgot to adb in..... i bet i am using my local IP address
[13:19] <popey> :D
[13:19] <chris123> id10t error
[13:20] <popey> PICNIC error
[13:20] <popey> Problem In Chair, Not In Computer. :D
[13:20] <chris123> ya, good ol PICNIC
[13:28] <chris123> thanks popey.  take it easy
[13:30] <awafaa> silly question, but where are the bluetooth settings hiding? or are they not enabled yet?
[13:30] <seanfell> I was wondering how can I move a file to the ubuntu touch phone. I am using 13.04 on my desktop.
[13:31] <stgraber> ogra_: well, if we did that the only change would be that tmpmnt would be called data, which would just make it a bit more confusing...
[13:31] <awafaa> seanfell: using 'adb push $FILE /data/ubuntu/$DIRECTORY' works for me
[13:32] <stgraber> ogra_: note that I'm using --move instead of --bind so that should fix most issues the previous implementation had
[13:32] <awafaa> or pulling from the phone via http/ftp etc :)
[13:34] <ogra_> stgraber, why, if we move mount it to be /data afterwards too that matches
[13:35] <xnox> ogra_: yeah, I booted into saucy-flipped on grouper.
[13:35] <xnox> ogra_: now trying to work out, how to replace android there, with the one i built.
[13:36] <ogra_> xnox, well, you can just use the system.img from your out dir and flash it with fastboot to the system partition
[13:36] <ogra_> (in bootloader mode indeed)
[13:36] <stgraber> ogra_: well, I'm just not sure why "mkdir /tmpmnt ; mount /tmpmnt ; mount $rootmnt; mount --move /tmpmnt $rootmnt/data" is worse than "mkdir /data ; mount /data ; mount $rootmnt; mount --move /data $rootmnt/data"
[13:37] <stgraber> ogra_: I mean, we're just talking about a directory name that exists only for a fraction of a second in a ramfs
[13:37] <ogra_> well, it appeared cleaner to me to give it the right name from the beginning
[13:38] <ogra_> i actually didnt plan to keep tmpmnt ... though if you think it makes sense we can indeed keep it
[13:38] <xnox> ogra_: full screen of powering on/off wifi =( so doesn't work.
[13:39] <ogra_> what exactly doesnt work ?
[13:39] <xnox> ogra_: does not complete booting.
[13:39] <stgraber> ogra_: as we don't actually do anything with it other than move mount it, I think it's fine. I'd agree with you if we were writing data to it or calling other commands using it before the move mount. The advantage I see of tmpmnt is that it's a name that's less likely to ever be used by initramfs-tools (or an initramfs-tools script)
[13:40] <stgraber> ogra_: data is a bit too generic so you can't exclude that at some point some initramfs-tools will want to ship data and will create a /data for that
[13:40] <ogra_> stgraber, heh, ok. lets keep it then ... just feels a bit like a wart
[13:40] <ogra_> xnox, you should be able to adb in
[13:41] <xnox> ogra_: correct. whell lxc-info is running, despite /var/log/lxc/android.log being a read-only file system.
[13:41] <ogra_> xnox, and then examine the lxc-android-config upstart log etc
[13:41] <ogra_> /var/log/lxc/android.log ?
[13:41] <ogra_> what would that be
[13:42] <ogra_> we dont produce a log with that name
[13:43] <ayr_ton> One noob question: I have terminal-app and friends-app installed by apt-get install from default saucy repo, but these apps doesn't appear in apps list from unity. Theres something special thing to do for have these apps working?
[13:44] <ayr_ton> (I'm using Ubuntu Touch in Galaxy Nexus)
[13:44] <ogra_> ayr_ton, the shell deosnt dynamically add icons yet ... go to the apps list, tap the looking glass and search for "term"  it should show up then
[13:45] <ayr_ton> ogra_: Interesting. Let me see...
[13:46] <ayr_ton> ogra_: Amazing. It works. Thanks for the relevant information :)
[13:49] <lool> cyphermox: hey, I've updated to the switched root images (might be unrelated) and I've noticed that touch on N7 doens't renew DHCP leases
[13:49] <ayr_ton> Last noob question: At friends app, it says: "No online accounts configured, you can add one in System Settings". A quick search on google and I don`t figure out how to add accounts.
[13:50] <lool> cyphermox: what happens is that it does a DHCPDISCOVER, then my DHCP server pings the IP address previously assigned to this MAC address, sees it responds, allocates a new address, and then the device DHCPREQUESTs the new address
[13:50] <lool> this happens when the lease expires on the device
[13:50] <lool> cyphermox: but I don't have this issue with other Ubuntu installs here, so seems like a config option which isn't set right?
[13:52] <cyphermox> Well maybe yeah but I don't see why it would be any different than usual
[13:52] <cyphermox> I'll look, I can reflash my n7.
[13:53] <lool> cyphermox: thanks; I've worked around this locally by setting ping-check to false on my dhcp server in the mean time
[13:53] <lool> (the default is ping-check true)
[13:53] <cyphermox> I have a portable router with me I can make the lease time very short
[13:54] <cyphermox> Oh wait... You mean isc-dhcp server? Perhaps that's what's slightly broken for some reason?
[13:54] <lool> cyphermox: as I said, it works fine with other Ubuntu installs
[13:55] <lool> cyphermox: Yes, isc-dhcp-server; what's wrong with it?  isn't it the recommended DHCP server?
[13:55] <cyphermox> Yes
[13:55] <cyphermox> But we've had similar issues in the past
[13:56] <cyphermox> Honestly I can't think of any reason aside some kernel change that could cause dhcp to not work just on the n7... None of that dhclient, NM or whatever code changed recently, or has a delta from desktop anyway
[13:57] <lool> cyphermox: exactly; I was thinking some NM config or so isn't picked up
[13:57] <ogra_> lool, we have two concurring wpa_supplicants
[13:57] <lool> cyphermox: I would expect a DHCPREQUEST with the old address to renew the lease instead of a DISCOVER
[13:57] <lool> it seems to be client side
[13:57] <ogra_> iirc awe wanted to have a meeting about that
[13:58] <lool> ogra_: that's bad; shouldn't affect DHCP leases though?
[13:58] <ogra_> we need to get rid of one (preferably the ubuntu one) and have NM talk to the android one i guess
[13:58] <AskUbuntu> How to add accounts to friends-app in Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/310172
[13:59] <awe> ogra_, what do you mean we have two concurring supplicants?
[14:00] <ogra_> awe, one inside the container and one outside
[14:00] <ogra_> you mentioned yesterday that this is a prob
[14:00]  * awe thinks someone goofed then...
[14:00] <awe> we shouldn't
[14:00] <cyphermox> I don't expect these to be an issue so much though
[14:01] <awe> we're not starting *any* wpa_supplicants on the Android side in the non-flipped model
[14:01] <lool> ogra_: at the moment I see only one running wpa process here
[14:01] <cyphermox> The android one wouldn't have configuration, the Ubuntu one would be the only one visible to nm in dbus
[14:01] <ogra_> awe, right, we should not have one on the ubuntu side since the one on the adnroiud side handles the HW (which we cant from ubuntu)
[14:01] <awe> A stock Android/CM actually starts two supplicants, one for base Wi-Fi, and one for P2P
[14:01] <awe> ogra_, wrong
[14:01] <awe> Ubuntu controls the entire network stack
[14:01] <ogra_> wrong ?
[14:01] <awe> other then the driver
[14:02] <ogra_> but not the firmware
[14:02] <awe> we use Ubuntu's userspace networking stack
[14:02] <awe> for Wi-Fi
[14:02] <ogra_> which is usually loaded by wpa_supplicant in android from an init.rc entry
[14:02] <awe> 3g is a different story due to RILD
[14:02] <awe> no
[14:02] <awe> not in our images
[14:03] <awe> ogra_, since day 1, touch has used Ubuntu's wpa_supplicant & NM
[14:03] <ogra_> well, i clearly see two  wpa entries being executed when the android container starts
[14:03] <ogra_> one for wlan one for p2p
[14:03] <cyphermox> ogra_: driver is fine on current images
[14:03] <awe> then a) we either have a bug in our images or b) you have a bug in your flipped container model
[14:03] <ogra_> awe, how do we prevent the init.rc services from being executed ?
[14:03] <awe> we patch it?
[14:04] <awe> rsalveti, ^^
[14:04] <ogra_> not on phablet.ubuntu.com
[14:04] <cyphermox> ogra_: file a bug, assign it to me?
[14:04] <ogra_> init.rc definitely has the wpa entries
[14:04] <ogra_> and we wouldnt get the right firmware from ubuntu
[14:05] <awe> wpa_supplicant doesn't load the fw
[14:05] <cyphermox> Though again, the running wpa in the container wouldn't do anything that I know
[14:05] <ogra_> well, if it isnt an issue we can indeed keep it
[14:06] <awe> cyphermox, running wpa_supplicants in the container would be bad
[14:06] <cyphermox> Why?
[14:06] <awe> because it does all kind of driver config
[14:06] <cyphermox> Without being configured they shouldn't do anything at all
[14:07] <awe> it's similar to our udev vs. ueventd problem
[14:07] <awe> cyphermox, they are configured, that's the problem
[14:07] <awe> ogra_, just checked my mako, and it definitely is *not* running wpa_supplicant in the container
[14:07] <ogra_> yeah, you seeem to be right, i dont know why i saw three of them running the last days on my maguro
[14:07] <awe> I also checked the init*rc scripts, and it seems I see at least one property which sets wpa_supplicant to stopped
[14:07] <cyphermox> How so? How can the android side supplicant have any meaningful config?
[14:08] <ogra_> there is definitely only one now
[14:08] <awe> cyphermox, because that's how Android works
[14:08] <cyphermox> That makes no sense
[14:08] <awe> the init.rc file inclues all of the device and service config
[14:08] <cyphermox> Please, file bugs we can tackle each issue one at a time
[14:08] <awe> cyphermox, it does... you need to think about how a manufacturer configures a device
[14:08] <awe> cyphermox, there's no bug file here
[14:09] <lool> win 128
[14:09] <lool> Ups
[14:09] <cyphermox> Awe: you're misunderstanding, the android supplicant can't possibly have a network block.
[14:09] <awe> cyphermox, that said... ogra_ may have a bug in his flipped container model
[14:09] <cyphermox> Please, file bugs for such things so we can understand what is going on
[14:09] <ogra_> that might be udev related though, not NM or wpa_supplicant
[14:11] <awe> cyphermox, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5780551/
[14:12] <ogra_> awe, you chopped off the intresting parts where it loads the firmware from /data :)
[14:12] <xnox> the ubuntu logo is upside down on saucy ubuntu-touch images =(
[14:13] <ogra_> ??
[14:13] <ogra_> which ubuntu logo
[14:13] <xnox> ogra_: the launch home screen button, in the launcher on the left edge.
[14:14] <ogra_> how can that be upside down ?
[14:14] <ogra_> its a triangle
[14:14] <awe> cyphermox, I was merely commenting that we shouldn't be running wpa_supplicant both inside & outside the container.  That's brain damaged, and thankfully not happening in our current images
[14:14] <cyphermox> awe: I wholeheartedly agree.
[14:14] <awe> cyphermox, if it's happening in the flipped images, then we have a bug in our flipped logic
[14:14] <xnox> ogra_: well, instead of the dot on the left/center, the dot is on the right/center, thus it's mirrored.
[14:14] <awe> which is what I've been testing for the past day or so
[14:14] <ogra_> xnox, ah !
[14:14] <ogra_> yeah, same here
[14:14] <xnox>  /o\
[14:15] <cyphermox> However, I'm saying even if we did, it's not a critical, world ending issue
[14:15] <awe> if it were any airplane, I wouldn't fly on it
[14:15] <ogra_> awe, cyphermox yeah, sorry for spreading confusion
[14:15] <awe> s/any/an/
[14:15] <awe> ogra_, np
[14:15] <awe> makes for a little excitement first thing in the morning for me
[14:15] <awe> ;D
[14:16] <awe> ogra_, are we running a custom kernel in your flipped images?
[14:16] <ogra_> yeah, you dont boil in your own sweat there :P ... i dont need raised temperature :P
[14:16] <awe> well...I can't seem to reproduce that problem again either
[14:16] <awe> ( ie. the maguro getting super-hot )
[14:17] <ogra_> awe, on grouper we had to enable HW_CONSOLE (and what the pulls in) ... all other kernels are the same as before the flip
[14:17] <awe> ogra_, reall???  hmmm
[14:17] <ogra_> s/what the/what that/
[14:17]  * awe wonders if the killswitch failure for enable/disable Wi-Fi is caused by NM trying operate the killswitch within a container
[14:18] <ogra_> tegra sadly doesnt offer a /dev/console without that ... makes upstart unhappy ... the other arches just set /dev/console to the ram console proper
[14:18] <awe> cyphermox, enable/disable Wi-Fi works in the flipped container model
[14:18] <awe> which is weird
[14:19] <awe> cause off works from inside the container, but on fails...
[14:19] <awe> cyphermox, I'll give it a try with mako next
[14:19] <cyphermox> Heh
[14:19] <cyphermox> OK, let me know
[14:20] <cyphermox> I was just playing with the kikkswitxh too, but my patch isn't ready yet
[14:20] <cyphermox> Err, killswitch
[14:21] <ogra_> does rfkill work through /dev or through sysfs ?
[14:22] <awe> ogra_, question for you... with the manual instructions.. you first autodeploy the dev-specific <armel> zip, then it says to reboot... but how do you do so when the device now is 1/2 flipped, 1/2 unflipped?
[14:22] <ogra_> note that all things you do through dev *can* be buggy in the flipped model
[14:22] <ogra_> we dont have all possible udev rules and device permissions set right yet
[14:23] <ogra_> awe, with a hard reset after it deployed the image (holding down power long enouogh)
[14:23] <xnox> ogra_: flashing my system.img, results in infinite boot messages "Powering on wifi" / "Powering off wifi" & the ubuntu rootfs ('/') gets mounted read-only for some reason. Stopping the container, remounting rootfs as rw, restarting the container results in "adb" connection being dropped and rootfs is read-only again =(
[14:23] <awe> sure, but if off works, then on should too
[14:23] <awe> ogra_, ack
[14:24] <ogra_> xnox, thats bad, do you have a properly populated fstab ?
[14:24] <awe> ogra_, hmmmm... I had to pull the battery on maguro
[14:24] <awe> ogra_, hopefully long press works for mako...
[14:24] <ogra_> awe, there is surely a way to do it with sideload or through the "install zips from sdcard" recovery entry
[14:25] <awe> ogra_, sure... I was just following the directions we told everyone else to follow.  ;)
[14:25] <ogra_> it is important that the armel image is in place before the generic armhf one though, since we need to copy the ramdisk from /system/boot/
[14:25] <ogra_> well, i know sergiusens  is working on making phablet-flash work with flipped
[14:25] <awe> if need be, I know how to use "install zip from sdcard...".  ;/
[14:25] <ogra_> should only be until next week that you need the manual flash
[14:26] <awe> again, just pointing out that the instructions on the wiki are lacking...
[14:26] <ogra_> its a wiki, feel free to improve :)
[14:26] <awe> immutable page dude... no time for red tape today
[14:27] <awe> especially if I want to finish my flipped testing
[14:27] <ogra_> xnox, there needs to be a /dev/root entry with 0 0 for the fsck options ... so mountall doesnt attempt an fsck
[14:27] <awe> ogra_, it's noted in my notes which I'll share with you later today
[14:27] <ogra_> ok
[14:28] <ogra_> xnox, else it will remount readonly all the time
[14:29] <xnox> ogra_: right, i have that. it works fine with /stock/ flipped saucy, it's just my system.img and starting android container that screws everything up.
[14:29] <ogra_> thats weird
[14:30] <ogra_> it shouldnt have any influence outside the container
[14:30] <ogra_> but i think it means your build wasnt successfull ...
[14:31] <xnox> .... and there is ramdisk missmatch?!
[14:31] <jdstrand> curious, why isn't /proc mounted in the unflipped images? will it be in the flipped ones (I assume so)?
[14:31] <ogra_> xnox, is there ?
[14:32] <ogra_> jdstrand, it is mounted, it just doesnt look that way :)
[14:32] <ogra_> and yes, we have /proc mounted in flipped
[14:32] <xnox> ogra_: well if fastboot flash system, does that also provide updated /boot/android-ramdisk.img?
[14:32] <jdstrand> ogra_: ok, thanks
[14:33] <ogra_> jdstrand, if ubuntu_chroot init is called there is a /proc mount happening, ubuntu_chroot shell doesnt get you into the stage with a mounted proc though
[14:33] <jdstrand> ah, that makes sense
[14:33] <ogra_> in flipped we just use lxc ... behaves like any other lxc container with one exception (you cant use lxc-console since there are no gettys)
[14:38] <awe> jdstrand, "ubuntu_chroot shell" just does a chroot to /data/ubuntu
[14:39] <awe> jdstrand, whereas "ubuntu_chroot init" actually issues a clone() then a chroot()
[15:00] <dman_> how do i change the theme on my nexus 4 running ubuntu touch
[15:41] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, do you have working display on today's grouper container-flipped image?
[15:42] <stgraber> ogra_: I just flashed mine with my loop-mounted script, everything boots fine, I have SF running and unity8 running but the screen remains black
[15:43] <ogra_> stgraber, there is no "todays" image
[15:43] <ogra_> it is still the same as yesterday
[15:44] <stgraber> ogra_: sure, whatever is current on cdimage ;)
[15:44] <ogra_> well, yesterdays worked
[15:45] <ogra_> or current that is
[15:45] <stgraber> ogra_: ah, I have a bunch of tty related oops in dmesg
[15:45] <ogra_> oh ?
[15:45] <ogra_> thats weird
[15:45] <ogra_> i have it in my hand running here
[15:45] <ogra_> there were fbdev issues but they shouldnt be related
[15:45] <stgraber> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5780825/
[15:46] <stgraber> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# uname -a
[15:46] <stgraber> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.1.10-5-grouper #13-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Mon Jun 17 19:34:48 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[15:46] <stgraber> does that match yours?
[15:46] <popey> ogra_: do we have a script for flipped images?
[15:46] <popey> or is it still "get it from this special place and manually install"?
[15:46] <ogra_> popey, i think rsalveti has some secret sauce
[15:46] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[15:47] <ogra_> stgraber, no, because i run a locally fixed fbdev atm
[15:47] <rsalveti> yeah, just a sec
[15:47] <ogra_> stgraber, did you have scrolling text on boot ?
[15:47]  * popey pictures rsalveti with http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002L639UY
[15:47] <rsalveti> popey: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/phablet/phablet-tools_0.14daily13.06.15-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[15:47] <rsalveti> popey: then phablet-flash --flipped
[15:47] <rsalveti> popey: lol
[15:47] <ogra_> heh
[15:47] <rsalveti> popey: this will land later today, so it's safe to manually install it for now
[15:48] <popey> great!
[15:48] <stgraber> ogra_: don't think so, let me reboot to check
[15:48] <ogra_> stgraber, that image should have fbdev running and actually do a plain ugly white on black test boot
[15:48] <ogra_> s/test/text/
[15:49] <ogra_> stgraber, also, did you try it "un-looped" ?
[15:49] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure just flipped works
[15:50] <stgraber> ogra_: wtf, rebooted and now it works...
[15:50] <ogra_> heh
[15:50] <stgraber> ogra_: and yeah, I've got scrolling text at boot time
[15:50] <ogra_> comical rays
[15:50] <ogra_> :)
[15:50] <stgraber> ok, so my script works fine with mako and grouper then
[15:50] <ogra_> good
[15:53] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, can't seem to run applications though, they all give me a white screen... don't have that issue on mako
[15:53] <stgraber> on the other hand, I've got working wireless on grouper!
[15:54] <ogra_> stgraber, known bug
[15:54] <ogra_> apps work one out of 5 boots
[15:55] <ogra_> ricmm is on it iirc
[15:55] <stgraber> great, so not my fault ;)
[15:56] <ogra_> nah, just do a few reboots ... start the calculator after each one ... one will work
[15:56] <ogra_> ... keep it running ... never reboot ...
[15:56] <ogra_> its a tablet, you dont reboot these :P
[16:01] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah and considering how slow USB transfers are to it, I'm not likely to reflash it every 5min as I'm doing with my N4
[16:02] <ogra_> it is slower than mako ?
[16:02] <stgraber> around 20x slower, yes
[16:02]  * ogra_ wonders why, they are both USB 2.0
[16:03] <ogra_> might be that there is an adb setting we could set to make it faster
[16:03] <stgraber> ah no, just ~8x slower apparently
[16:03] <ogra_> s/adb/g_android/
[16:03] <stgraber> 1329kB/s for grouper vs ~10000kB/s for mako
[16:03] <ogra_> wow
[16:05] <ogra_> i dont see anything that could be speed related in /sys/class/android_usb/android0/
[16:05] <ogra_> probably the init.rc has something
[16:06] <stgraber> got working apps! (took just 2 reboots)
[16:07]  * popey replaces ogra_ with the Known_bug_bot
[16:07] <ogra_> heh
[16:08] <web_commander> how o
[16:08] <web_commander> how do i make ubuntu touch blue
[16:09] <ogra_> you get a funnel and a buket full of blue pixels ... then find the hole to fill them in
[16:10] <ogra_> (i dont think you can yet)
[16:12] <web_commander> can you change the theme on ubuntu touch?
[16:13] <cgomezmendez> somebody knows is x11 will be ported?
[16:13] <ogra_> no
[16:14] <ogra_> there will be XMir at some point for the desktops though ... but not sure that this will be much usable on touch
[16:19] <cgomezmendez> i see,thanks by the info
[16:25] <cyphermox> so where do I get the flipped saucy images again?
[16:25] <cyphermox> for mako
[16:25] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/phablet/phablet-tools_0.14daily13.06.15-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[16:25] <ogra_> use phablet-flash --flipped
[16:26] <ogra_> cyphermox, ^^^
[16:26] <cyphermox> ok
[16:26] <cyphermox> why don't we have the flipped ones by default like last week or so anymore?
[16:27] <cyphermox> oh, nevermind
[16:27] <cyphermox> it's actually my process that changed >.<
[16:28] <ogra_> we never had the flipped ones by default
[16:28] <ogra_> we are planning the switch for next week
[16:32] <cgomezmendez> what is a flipped image?
[16:33] <popey> cgomezmendez: android in a container on top of ubuntu, instead of (the current) ubuntu in a container on top of android
[16:33] <popey> (put simply) (and probably inaccurately)
[16:33] <ogra_> no, perfect :)
[16:33] <popey> yay, ubuntu logo in recovery console, like that
[16:34] <popey> strange that i have a different logo in recovery on nexus 7 and nexus 4
[16:39] <cgomezmendez> ah ok
[16:39] <Minste> how can I setup an online account? when I type uoa-create facebook and my username I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last):
[16:39] <Minste>   File "/usr/bin/account-console", line 214, in login_process_cb
[16:39] <Minste>     print >> sys.stderr, 'Got authentication error:', error.message
[16:39] <Minste> TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for >>: 'builtin_function_or_method' and '_io.TextIOWrapper'
[16:39] <Minste> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gi/types.py:113: Warning: g_variant_unref: assertion 'value != NULL' failed
[16:39] <Minste>   return info.invoke(*args, **kwargs)
[16:41] <ricmm> stgraber: that issue will disappear when the new notifications land
[16:41] <ricmm> I thought they had landed yesterday, I guess I was wrong
[16:42] <morphis> awe: ping
[16:42] <awe> morphis, pong
[16:43] <awe> ( I ponged yesterday, but never heard back from you? )
[16:43] <morphis> awe: hm then I didn't saw the pong or znc swallowed
[16:44] <awe> np
[16:44] <awe> whatsup?
[16:44] <morphis> awe: just wanted to ask if you need help with any particular ofono work
[16:44] <morphis> will have time to do some work
[16:45] <morphis> and before  I start with anything I thought it's better to talk with you first
[16:45] <awe> sure
[16:45] <awe> and thanks
[16:45] <morphis> I saw the telephony blueprint
[16:46] <awe> I'm going to be reviewing the blueprint work items this afternoon...
[16:46] <morphis> ok
[16:46] <awe> let me give it some thought & discuss with rsalveti, and maybe figure some work you could take on
[16:47] <morphis> fine for me, I am able to take every of those things but need to see it stays in time for me
[16:49] <awe> OK, I'll email you and/or ping you on IRC tomorrow, if that's OK with you
[16:49] <morphis> awe: fine for me
[16:49] <awe> great
[16:49] <awe> I appreciate the offer of help too
[16:49] <morphis> :)
[16:50] <morphis> awe: btw. do you have plans to merge the rilmodem stuff upstream?
[16:52] <awe> morphis, if upstream will take it, definitely...  haven't had that discussion yet though.
[16:53] <morphis> ok
[16:53] <morphis> as I saw some point about moving the rilmodem out of the ofono source tree
[16:53] <awe> been more concerned with getting stuff working, moving to saucy, testing flippped
[16:53] <awe> yes, we discussed that, but I think we want to have the upstream conversation first, before making such a change
[16:54] <morphis> ok
[16:54] <morphis> would prefer that too
[16:54] <awe> prefer not splitting the code out?
[16:55] <Jetrix> Cristian andas por aqui
[16:55] <Jetrix> Hello my friends
[17:01] <morphis> awe: yes, and merging the rilmodem code upstream
[17:01] <morphis> as it's something more than just ubuntu profitates from
[17:02] <awe> morphis, ack
[17:05] <ZDmitry> mhall119, ping
[17:07] <jdstrand> awe: thanks
[17:15] <mhall119> ZDmitry: pong
[17:15] <krabador> rsalveti, are you here?
[17:20] <ZDmitry> mhall119, I have done some autopilot test. Can You look at MP? https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/autopilot-tests-panels/+merge/170388
[17:22] <mhall119> balloons: can you look at ^^
[17:23] <balloons> ZDmitry, :-) Sure thing
[17:23] <ZDmitry> balloons, thanks
[17:24] <mhall119> balloons: I added you to the team, so you can approve MPs for any of the core apps now
[17:24] <balloons> mhall119, ohh.. nice
[17:29] <cyphermox> back later, going to get lunch
[17:32] <micha33-eE3l> when i type adb root, i get adbd cannot run as root in production builds. Does this mean my device is not rooted?
[17:34] <micha33-eE3l> I've been triyng to install by following wiki...touch but get an error after phablet-flahs -b. Can anybody please help me?
[17:37] <balloons> ZDmitry, did you see the ubuntusdk emulator I was trying to encourage folks to adopt?
[17:39] <micha33-eE3l> Is it posible to just ad the ubuntuphone image to the device and istall it in recovery mode by apply update from ADB?
[17:40] <balloons> ZDmitry, it's sitting in my +junk for now, but very useful: lp:~nskaggs/+junk/ubuntusdk_autopilot_emulator
[17:40] <balloons> micha33-eE3l, there is a manual method for installation
[17:40] <ZDmitry> balloons, thanks.
[17:40] <balloons> it looks like you have some of those ideas in your main_window class
[17:41] <balloons> micha33-eE3l, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[17:41] <balloons> ZDmitry, are you going to be in channel for a bit? I'll just comment directly on the merge, but feel free to ping
[17:42] <ZDmitry> balloons, I'll be here
[17:44] <balloons> hmm.. I'm wondering if things are still broken on the desktop..
[17:46] <ZDmitry> balloons, which ones?
[17:46] <balloons> ZDmitry, I need org.kde.konsole.. which package is that?
[17:47] <ZDmitry> balloons, that is qtdeclarative5-konsole-qml-plugin
[17:49] <balloons> ZDmitry, so will terminal run on the desktop?
[17:49] <balloons> I was thinking it didn't at the moment
[17:49] <ZDmitry> balloons, but it's strange. If you installed with apt-get then you should already had qtdeclarative5-konsole-qml-plugin
[17:49] <balloons> ZDmitry, yea, I just pulled the branch. I suppose I should install from the ppa, heh
[17:51] <balloons> yes, ok so it doesn't seem to work on my saucy desktop.. brb
[17:53] <ZDmitry> balloons, at Core App PPA there are versions for raring and saucy, so everything should work
[17:57] <balloons> ZDmitry, yes, it was opengl errors as a result of some driver testing I was doing. I reverted and all is well again
[17:57] <balloons> ok, back to the review :-)
[17:58] <ZDmitry> balloons, good
[17:58] <mhall119> kenvandine: why is the header font on system-settings and friends lighter than other apps?
[17:59] <kenvandine> mhall119, no idea
[17:59] <kenvandine> it's intentional
[18:00] <kenvandine> sorry
[18:00] <kenvandine> not intentional :)
[18:00] <mhall119> it's intentionally light, or intentionally different?
[18:00] <mhall119> oh
[18:00] <mhall119> man, you've got me all kinds of confused :P
[18:01] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:01] <kenvandine> so my guess is all the other apps are doing something different
[18:01] <kenvandine> i just set the title
[18:01]  * kenvandine looks at phone-app
[18:02] <kenvandine> oh
[18:02] <kenvandine> could it be PageStack vs. Tabs ?
[18:03] <kenvandine> mhall119, must be
[18:04] <kenvandine> mhall119, indeed... that must be it
[18:04] <kenvandine> please file a toolkit bug
[18:06] <kenvandine> mhall119, confirmed
[18:06] <kenvandine> the style is different between Tabs and PageStack
[18:07] <mhall119> kenvandine: by design or no?
[18:09] <micha33-eE3l> trying to install manually. Device is MAGURO but what image file to use? armel, boot, phablet, system?
[18:11] <micha33-eE3l> armel
[18:12] <kenvandine> mhall119, i doubt by design
[18:12] <kenvandine> probably just a bug
[18:12] <mhall119> ok
[18:12] <kenvandine> it looks terrible... inconsistent
[18:13] <kenvandine> i never noticed... but now that you pointed it out, it is very annoying
[18:14] <cgomezmendez> what's the password for root user?
[18:15] <cgomezmendez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#AdbAccess the wiki doesn't say
[18:20] <ZDmitry> cgomezmendez, password is the same as user name: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#User_Accounts
[18:27] <balloons> ZDmitry, so everything looks good, it's a nice base test. If you can just modify it to use the emulator we should merge it
[18:29] <ZDmitry> balloons, ok, I'll replace current emu with ubuntusdk emu.
[18:30] <balloons> ZDmitry, basically just the non-custom stuff should go in there.. you can keep the main_window.py file and functions specific to your app :-)
[18:31] <balloons> in other words, you can have more than one emulator.. if you need an example let me know
[18:31] <ZDmitry> balloons, of course
[18:32] <dixeflatline> anyone be able to help with my N4 with GSM data?
[18:35] <mhall119> kenvandine: aquarius: my daughter *loves* to play dropping letters
[18:35] <kenvandine> i don't think my kids have tried it yet
[18:35] <aquarius> mhall119, cool. I am pleased :)
[18:35] <kenvandine> i should have then do that
[18:35] <mhall119> even without sound on the N7
[18:36] <kenvandine> they always play plonk when they use my n7
[18:36] <aquarius> mhall119, it's a good training tool for someone learning vocabulary
[18:36] <aquarius> and just fun for everyone else ;)
[18:36] <mhall119> aquarius: only complaint, the green word box at the top makes it easy to hit the unity panel and bring up the settings overlay
[18:36] <aquarius> mhall119, hrm.
[18:36] <aquarius> that is a good complaint.
[18:36] <kenvandine> indeed
[18:36] <aquarius> not entirely sure how you solve it :)
[18:37] <mhall119> especially in the panic of almost losing
[18:37] <mhall119> :)
[18:37] <kenvandine> padding or a header
[18:37] <aquarius> then you've got this random gap at the top
[18:37] <kenvandine> agreed
[18:37] <kenvandine> not ideal for sure
[18:37] <aquarius> and I have to say that this is not a problem specific to DL. Any app which puts a thing at the top of its window has this problem.
[18:38] <kenvandine> i have a similar complaint with plonk
[18:38] <aquarius> Might be worth asking design about that.
[18:38] <aquarius> because it's a general problem.
[18:38] <kenvandine> it is very easy to hit the edge of the screen
[18:38] <mhall119> yeah, I suppose you could make it go full screen and cover the panel
[18:38] <kenvandine> causing an edge swipe
[18:38] <mhall119> yeah, that too
[18:38] <aquarius> Perhaps the solution is a bit of tweaking around edge swipe and edge press sensitivity.
[18:38] <mhall119> edge-swipe-detection can be made smarter
[18:39] <kenvandine> yeah, like perhaps if you swipe off and back again
[18:39] <aquarius> DL could indeed be fullscreen, and that might help.
[18:39] <kenvandine> it doesn't trigger
[18:39] <micha33-eE3l> I've been following wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation and everything goes smooth untill After the final reboot the device DOESN'T boot into the Ubuntu Touch UI. Any ideas?
[18:39] <aquarius> Doesn't help anyone else with the problem, but, hey ho :)
[18:39] <mhall119> kenvandine: would be hard to tell, unless you stored some old swipe data
[18:39] <kenvandine> yeah, not sure what else to do
[18:39] <mhall119> because once you go off screen, it's a new event when you come back on
[18:39] <kenvandine> micha33-eE3l, sorry, not really... i've mostly just used phablet-flash
[18:40] <kenvandine> which magically works
[18:40] <dixeflatline> I have used TWRP and flashed the dailys
[18:41] <dixeflatline> no problems
[18:41] <aquarius> ya. srsly, this is a design question, dudes. It is possible that design will say "the answer here is: don't put pressable stuff at the top of your window", in which case that's info that devs need to know, or they may say "yes, we need to tweak things in the following way, because we want people to be able to have pressable stuff at the top of the window"...
[18:41] <dixeflatline> though i need assistances with GSM data
[18:41] <micha33-eE3l> i have been triyng phablet-flash a few days now but that doesn't work for me either
[18:41] <dixeflatline> whats your error?
[18:42] <dixeflatline> does adb see your device?
[18:43] <micha33-eE3l> Error while executing fastboot flash system /home/michael/Hentede filer/phablet-flash/saucy-17/saucy-preinstalled-system-armel+maguro.img Make sure the device is connected and viewable by running 'adb devices'Ensure you have a root device, one which running 'adb root' does not return an error
[18:43] <micha33-eE3l> yes
[18:43] <micha33-eE3l> but the device auto restarts at the end of phablet-flash
[18:44] <dixeflatline> close your terminal and run:
[18:44] <dixeflatline> sudo -s
[18:44] <dixeflatline> adb kill-server
[18:44] <dixeflatline> adb start-server
[18:44] <dixeflatline> adb devices
[18:44] <dixeflatline> make sure its online
[18:44] <dixeflatline> and try it again
[18:45] <dixeflatline> that solved my issue.  last time i used phablet-flash
[18:45] <netcurli> I have run into problems with the sensitive edges especially on websites in the browser on the phone and this is something which cannot be covered really by design guidelines
[18:46] <micha33-eE3l> thank you very much :-)
[18:46] <dixeflatline> you can also use your custom recovery and download the 2 .zip files you need and flash that way
[18:46] <micha33-eE3l> i'll try
[18:47] <micha33-eE3l> is there a guide for that? just in case
[18:48] <dixeflatline> hmmm no?  not sure.  i just looked at a python script and saw which flash 1st 2nd
[18:48] <dixeflatline> and skipped the ubuntu touch recovery
[18:49] <micha33-eE3l> and the 2 .zip files are the ones from the manual installation? saucy-preinstalled-armel+maguro.zip  and saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[18:50] <dixeflatline> yeah
[18:51] <dixeflatline> do device file first
[18:52] <F41L> Curious, I haven't checked with the ubuntu touch project in a while. Is the desktop docking mode available now?
[18:52] <ogra_> F41L, thats a 14.04 feature ... wont happen yet
[18:52] <F41L> argh
[18:52] <F41L> thanks :3
[18:52] <ogra_> we need a stable system before adding fancy features
[18:53] <dixeflatline> lol
[18:53] <ogra_> 13.10 is stable system wime :)
[18:53] <micha33-eE3l> device file? is that the one named ...armel?
[18:53] <ogra_> *time
[18:53] <dixeflatline> saucy-preinstalled-armel+maguro.zip
[18:54] <micha33-eE3l> thanx :-)
[18:54] <dixeflatline> yeah
[18:54] <dixeflatline> thats mid october right?
[19:04] <awe> pwd
[19:04] <awe> !#@
[19:10] <jdstrand> ricmm: hey, so talked to jjohansen
[19:10] <jdstrand> ricmm: I forgot there were 4 different kernel versions to backport
[19:11] <jdstrand> they all have nexus in the name, so they must use only one kernel, right?
[19:11] <jdstrand> anyhoo
[19:11] <jdstrand> he is starting with the newest kernel (mako) and moving backwords
[19:12] <jdstrand> ricmm: ^
[19:12] <jdstrand> ricmm: manta, grouper, maguro come next
[19:12] <jdstrand> ricmm: he hopes to have some done today (eg, mako) and is continuing to work on the others
[19:13] <jdstrand> so this week is possible
[19:13] <jdstrand> ricmm: as for aa2 vs aa3, aa2 is what's enabled now, but being that it is an upstream kernel, it lacks the Ubuntu compat patches, so it won't be as easy to use
[19:14] <jdstrand> ricmm: but since we should have the aa3 backport pull requests from jj soon (which will have the compat patches), that shouldn't matter
[19:20] <awe> ogra_, rsalveti, need help from one of you guys to restore my nexus to non-flipped
[19:28] <rsalveti> awe: sure, 1 sec
[19:29] <rsalveti> awe: install http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/phablet/phablet-tools_0.14daily13.06.15-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[19:29] <rsalveti> then reboot into recovery
[19:29] <rsalveti> adb shell
[19:29] <rsalveti> reboot -f recovery
[19:29] <rsalveti> then phablet-flash -d <device>
[19:29] <awe> awesome
[19:30] <rsalveti> next image should have a working 'adb reboot', then phablet-flash will be able to reboot the device automatically
[19:31] <awe> that would very, very, nice!  ;D
[19:34] <ZDmitry> balloons, ping
[19:36] <balloons> ZDmitry, pong
[19:37] <ZDmitry> balloons, I done with ubuntusdk integration. Look at it, please.
[19:39] <balloons> sure thing.. just a sec
[19:49] <balloons> ZDmitry, hmm.. I remember you having a popup.. I wonder if we can make click_popup_item a part of the sdk itself
[19:50] <balloons> there's a function to set popupvalues.. I think we should be able to use that.. that would be the intent, heh
[19:50] <balloons> let me see
[19:56] <ZDmitry> balloons, yes, we have set_popup_value in ubuntusdk emu, but that's not work for me.
[19:57] <balloons> hmm yes indeed.. I was hopping to get some more popup examples, so thank you ;-)
[19:57] <balloons> I'm thinking about what we could do
[19:57] <balloons> what you've done looks good
[19:58] <mhall119> balloons: on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/ can that include tests of things like audio playback and camera image capture?
[19:58] <balloons> mhall119, what do you mean?
[20:00] <mhall119> balloons: I see 100% pass rate on grouper, but it has missing functionality still
[20:00] <balloons> mhall119, ohh I get it
[20:01] <mhall119> I don't want it to show "everything's fine on grouper" when it doesn't have things like working audio and camera
[20:01] <balloons> yes indeed those must not be part of the smoke testsuite
[20:01] <mhall119> speaking of which, sergiusens ogra_ any idea when those will be working on grouper?
[20:02] <ogra_> who, what ?
[20:03] <ogra_> medai stuff on grouper ? no idea ... we should definitely fix it :)
[20:03] <mhall119> yeah, we should
[20:03] <mhall119> :)
[20:03] <balloons> mhall119, the tests are here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/touch
[20:04] <balloons> I believe things like audio and camera depend on pitti getting movkdev support for it
[20:04] <balloons> plars, ^^ ?
[20:04] <balloons> plars, mhall119 is wondering if tests for audio and camera are on the radar for ubuntu-touch
[20:05] <plars> balloons: there are already some camera tests for the app itself
[20:05] <plars> balloons: and there are some lower level ones planned for things like camera, gps, etc
[20:06] <plars> mhall119: ah, those are just smoke tests
[20:07] <plars> mhall119: those are very new and as smoke tests, just cover very basic functionality
[20:07] <mhall119> plars: I just want something that will show me 1) that they don't currently work on grouper and 2) will turn green to show me when they are working
[20:07] <plars> those tests will be expanded on, of course. Next thing coming is the autopilot tests
[20:07] <mhall119> so that things don't looke more complete than they are
[20:07] <mhall119> ok, cool, I'll wait for that then
[20:08] <mhall119> thanks plars
[20:11] <balloons> as they say, soonTM
[20:11] <balloons> ty plars :-)
[20:13] <rsalveti> mhall119: send me a grouper, I can debug it then :-)
[20:15] <ZDmitry> balloons, we can function from the main_window emu as click_action_popover_item to  ubuntusdk emu, since it aimed to work with ActionSelectionPopover.
[20:15] <balloons> ZDmitry, indeed.. I'm playing with the popover code now
[20:15] <balloons> from your perspective everything is good :-)
[20:15] <ZDmitry> balloons, ok
[20:16] <balloons> if I don't get it in a second, we'll merge anyway and you can refactor whenever we get support for it :-)
[20:16] <ricmm> jdstrand: the most important ones are mako and maguro, we need those two in parallel
[20:16] <ricmm> due to being phone ref
[20:17] <jdstrand> ricmm: ack. maguro is last on the list for ease of backporting, so we won't have it today
[20:17] <jdstrand> jjohansen: fyi:
[20:17] <jdstrand> 15:16 < ricmm> jdstrand: the most important ones are mako and maguro, we need those two in parallel
[20:17] <jdstrand> 15:16 < ricmm> due to being phone ref
[20:18] <ricmm> right, need to bump maguro in prio then ;)
[20:18] <ricmm> jjohansen: but all in all, great work and thanks for the effort
[20:18] <ricmm> when you have adequate patches please ping rsalveti for review
[20:19] <jdstrand> it will likely be closer to friday aiui
[20:20] <jdstrand> but, yeah, we're on it (and by 'we' I mean jj :)
[20:20] <jjohansen> ricmm: its not a matter of bumping maguro's priority. maguro is dependent on work done for grouper, as we are working backwards through changes made to the subsystem
[20:21] <jjohansen> so working through the reverts for 3.1 have to come before I get to 3.0
[20:23] <rsalveti> right, guess having it for mako would already be a great start
[20:26] <ricmm> ok
[20:34] <nik90> popey, mhall119: did any of you upgrade to saucy?
[20:36] <mhall119> nik90: I have
[20:37] <nik90> mhall119: how is your overall experience? I am kinda thinking about it but now sure..
[20:37] <nik90> mhall119: raring has been awesome for me
[20:37] <mhall119> nik90: so far so good, some weird graphic glitches sometimes
[20:37] <mhall119> but digging the new smart scopes
[20:38] <mhall119> everything app-dev related seems to work just fine
[20:38] <nik90> mhall119: ah nice..I am might upgrade then
[20:41] <balloons> ZDmitry, your approved. I'll look more into the popover for the next iteration of the emulator
[20:41] <ZDmitry> balloons, thanks
[20:41] <popey> nik90: personally, no. i dont plan on upgrading to saucy until release
[20:42] <popey> _someone_ has to stay behind and defend the base
[20:42] <dixeflatline> hey guys can i pick a brain for a min?
[20:42] <popey> or something
[20:42] <balloons> is the calendar app decs about?
[20:42]  * popey points dixeflatline at mhall119, he has brains to spare
[20:42] <mhall119> lies
[20:42] <balloons> osomon?
[20:42] <mhall119> dixeflatline: but I will answer questions if I can
[20:43] <nik90> popey: :)
[20:43] <balloons> I keep mixing my v's and c's today
[20:43] <balloons> fat finger typing ftw
[20:43] <dixeflatline> trying to get my TMobile GSM data working.  When I try and start the connection via nmcli con down id "TMobile"
[20:43] <dixeflatline> I get this error:
[20:44] <dixeflatline> ** (process:4664): WARNING **: Could not create object for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Settings/1: uid 32011 has no permission to perform this operation
[20:44] <dixeflatline> ** (process:4664): WARNING **: handle_property_changed: failed to update property 'available-connections' of object type NMDeviceModem.
[20:44] <dixeflatline> yet i have root:root to my TMobile file and chmod 600 it
[20:44] <dixeflatline> in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[20:45] <mhall119> dixeflatline: are you running the nmcli with sudo?
[20:45] <dixeflatline> i did that aswell
[20:46] <dixeflatline> as sudo i get:
[20:46] <dixeflatline> Error: Unknown connection: TMobile.
[20:46] <dixeflatline> like i said that connection is there.
[20:47] <mhall119> this is beyond me, and I don't have a phone to test it on
[20:47] <mhall119> can anybody else help dixeflatline ?
[20:50] <Minste> dixeflatline: I had same issue. I got a tips to touch the file after chmod 600. then I had to restart network-manager before I was able to connect.
[20:52] <dixeflatline> @minste i will try that now.
[21:00] <aquarius> mhall119, are you an xbmc user?
[21:01] <dixeflatline> i get the same error
[21:02] <dixeflatline> i ran sudo touch /etc/xxx/xxxx/TMobile
[21:03] <dixeflatline> then reset net-manager
[21:06] <Minste> dixeflatline: Okay. then we didn't have the same issue :/
[21:09] <dixeflatline> thanks for your input.  I will try a new file and generate a new uuid.
[21:11] <Minste> why generate uuid? The only thing i do is make a mobile broadband connection on computer, push the file to phone. change permissions, touch the file, restart network-manager and connect...
[21:12] <dixeflatline> generate i uuid via phone vs. desktop seems to a better idea to me
[21:13] <dixeflatline> ill keep the uuid from network-manager.
[21:13] <dixeflatline> ill be back in 10
[21:14] <dixeflatline> thanks @Minste
[21:14] <Minste> np :)
[21:23] <mhall119> aquarius: nope
[21:23] <aquarius> mhall119, ah, OK. I was planning to point someone with an Ubuntu device at the XBMC web interface(s) to see if they work in the browser. No native app needed ;)
[21:41] <popey> aquarius: i am
[21:43] <aquarius> popey, cool. What I did was install the wTouch xbmc extension. http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Add-on:WTouch
[21:43] <aquarius> popey, then you can set that to be the default thingy for the web interface in the xbmc settings
[21:44] <popey> hmm, my xbmc machine seems borked
[21:44] <aquarius> and then... just hit http://xbmcbox:8080/ in the browser and tadaaah you have a remote!
[21:44] <aquarius> works quite well on iOS safari :)
[21:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781804/
[21:44] <aquarius> it'd be interesting to see if it works in the ubuntu browser
[21:44] <popey> oh nice
[21:44] <popey> will try tomorrow, dont fancy fixing it tonight
[21:45] <popey> now while I have ouya to play with ☻
[21:45] <aquarius> yeah
[21:45] <aquarius> it might be a nice thing to tell people who are all "I want xbmc"... to say "hey, this already works! use it" :)
[21:45] <popey> ☻
[21:45] <aquarius> also, web apps ftw. :)
[21:45] <popey> lies
[21:48] <bkerensa> I was wondering how Canonical is addressing the commercial distribution limitations of certain source and binary bits its using? (maybe no longer)?
[21:49] <bkerensa> mhall119 suggest I ask here
[21:50] <mhall119> bkerensa: it would help if you specific which bits exactly
[21:50] <mhall119> if you know which ones were a concern for FFOS
[21:50] <mhall119> that might be a concern for us too
[21:50] <bkerensa> Any broadcom or qualcomm bits that are used in the radios that have licenses prohibiting commercial distribution or use
[21:58] <dixeflatline> SWEET @Minste im getting a new error
[21:58] <dixeflatline> Error: Timeout 90 sec expired.
[21:58] <dixeflatline> my APN settings are just bummed lol
[21:59] <dixeflatline> at least its trying to connect
[21:59] <Minste> thumbs up :)
[21:59] <dixeflatline> you put your phone number in there or username / pw in the file?
[22:00] <krabador> can't i run ubuntu-terminal-app on ubuntu-touch?
[22:00] <dixeflatline> yeah krabador
[22:01] <dixeflatline> go to app screen and click on search and type terminal
[22:01] <Minste> dixeflatline: it depends on your carrier. I'n Norway where I live, we dont have a username or password for our connections.
[22:01] <popey> terminal app is probably the one I use the most! :D
[22:02] <dixeflatline> Thanks Minste.  I will play with this file some more.
[22:02] <krabador> dixeflatline, yeah!!!!
[22:02] <krabador> great.
[22:03] <krabador> some daily ago, on my i9100, "search" was fals
[22:03] <krabador> false
[22:04] <Minste> dixeflatline: check your APN settings from your carriers homepage to make sure you have the right setup for your connection. Or you could make a connection on your desktop, just to check differenses in th 2 files.
[22:05] <dixeflatline> i just sudo nano "connection" and looking the APN setting now
[22:05] <dixeflatline> thanks again
[22:15] <netcurli> I have a problem with qtwebkit in qml, it is giving me segfaults: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5781869/ Does this look like an upstream bug and if so how do we get it filed there?
[22:28] <toucher> hello, i am searching for a tutorial on how to dualboot my lg nexus 4
[22:28] <toucher> there is one xda-developers regarding nexus 7 which working great
[22:28] <toucher> now i'd like to do the same on the nexus 4 phone
[22:28] <toucher> any recomendation?
[22:28] <hal> hello
[22:29] <Guest94051> ok lol
[22:30] <Guest94051> so how far along is the mantaray builds, out of curiosity
[22:32] <Guest94051> anyone awake
[22:36] <dixeflatline> @Minste got connected
[22:37] <dixeflatline> thanks brother, couldnt have done it without you
[22:53] <dixeflatline> https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ppa is this repository for phablet or PC?
[22:55] <n-iCe> is ubuntu phone finished for the nexus 4?
[22:55] <n-iCe> All working? no more beta? not testing?
[22:57] <dixeflatline> stable = 13.10
[22:58] <dixeflatline> mid october
[22:59] <n-iCe> Where can I download?
[22:59] <n-iCe> the last image?
[22:59] <dixeflatline> they are on saucy daily d/l now
[23:01] <n-iCe> what?
[23:01] <dixeflatline> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/
[23:02] <dixeflatline> to install
[23:02] <dixeflatline> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:11] <n-iCe> all is working dixeflatline ?
[23:12] <dixeflatline> @n-iCe No sir.  Its a dev preview.  I am getting mine to just about to a day to day state.
[23:12] <n-iCe> ota update?
[23:13] <dixeflatline> if you have a CDMA then you wont get 3g data
[23:13] <dixeflatline> daily updates
[23:13] <dixeflatline> like a rom nightly
[23:14] <n-iCe> I see
[23:14] <n-iCe> I use 3G yes
[23:14] <n-iCe> what will I get then?
[23:15] <dixeflatline> you on GSM or CDMA?
[23:15] <n-iCe> CDMA
[23:15] <dixeflatline> their is no cdma as of now
[23:17] <n-iCe> so, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ download the zip and just flash with the custom recovery? like every rom?
[23:18] <dixeflatline> this will help you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:19] <n-iCe> what else is not working to you?
[23:22] <dixeflatline> i can only use phone, text, and browse
[23:22] <dixeflatline> no blue tooth or gps
[23:23] <dixeflatline> stuff like that
[23:23] <n-iCe> then why you use it, lol
[23:23] <dixeflatline> cause its more fun to  dev then have other roms made for you
[23:24] <dixeflatline> its a dev preview so these are things to expect and use to play/learn
[23:24] <n-iCe> oh, are you a dev?
[23:24] <n-iCe> you code?
[23:25] <dixeflatline> i code, but not a dev
[23:25] <n-iCe> do, they do the code and dev for you?
[23:25] <n-iCe> do > so
[23:25] <dixeflatline> no
[23:25] <n-iCe> explain me, maybe I can help, and work on it
[23:25] <dixeflatline> linux i know so i can contribute to the ubuntu touch
[23:27] <dixeflatline> i gotta go.
[23:27] <dixeflatline> see you tomorrow
[23:31] <n-iCe> those install wiki are for nexus 7
[23:33] <knrubar> what model of phone do you have?
[23:35] <n-iCe> Nexus 4
[23:35] <n-iCe> mako
[23:36] <n-iCe> I downloaded all the files
[23:36] <n-iCe> I have twrp
[23:37] <knrubar> me too and the wiki directions worked for me.  are you running ubuntu for your pc OS?
[23:37] <n-iCe> yes I do
[23:37] <n-iCe> should I just flash saucy-preinstalled-armel+mako.zip ?
[23:38] <knrubar> I used the phablet-flash -b  command and it downloads all the files needed and does the flashing
[23:38] <knrubar> It's part of the phablet-tools package in Step 1
[23:39] <knrubar> just a warning, be prepared for a less than smart, smart phone.  Mobile data requres command line to activate
[23:41] <n-iCe> thanks