[03:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1601
[03:32] <wxl> ^^ @guiverc2 since i know you have tons of hardware around, you might be able to help with the things requiring an optical drive, ,though i'm not sure if you've got all the blank media, especially hddvd and bd!
 "Username @guiverc2 not found"
[03:33] <wxl> shush
[03:33] <guiverc2> hddvd & blueray no sorry.. just found a ton of blank CDr's so got heaps of them for testing... :)
[03:34] <guiverc2> i do have cd/dvd though
[03:37] <wxl> ok so it IS a blue ray https://reposcope.com/mimetype/x-content/blank-bd
[03:40] <wxl> and yep hddvd is hd dvd https://reposcope.com/mimetype/x-content/blank-hddvd
[03:40]  * guiverc2 reading t91 now.. guess I'll find it if the dvd on this box still actually works (or at least fools k3b)
[03:42] <wxl> i don't see application/x-iso here but like @kc2bez, maybe not supported https://reposcope.com/package/shared-mime-info
[03:42] <wxl> and the only pdf is application/pdf
[03:44] <kc2bez> I may have been a little over zealous with my inclusiveness.
[03:45] <kc2bez> Those mimetypes do exist in the desktop files.
[03:46] <wxl> asking on #flatpak on that one
[03:47] <kc2bez> If you think I should drop any of those just let me know.
[03:47] <wxl> btw overzealous is better than under
[03:48] <kc2bez> That was my thought at the time.
[04:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] guiverc (Chris Guiver) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1602
[04:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1603
[04:19] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1604
[04:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1605
[04:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1606
[04:26] <kc2bez> wxl: I am glad I am not the only one who is tired. XD
[04:26] <kc2bez> I really do appreciate your testing.
[04:27] <wxl> np
[04:27] <wxl> at least we know we got it right!
[09:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1607
 usb-creator SRUs look done :)
 yay
[09:44] <guiverc2> HMollerCL, wxl, re: prior support discussion on #lubuntu - https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/issues/1735
[09:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] Tj (Tj) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1608
[10:03] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1609
[10:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T87: Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE] Tj (Tj) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87#1610
 wxl: papirus-icon-theme won't add the icons https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-icon-theme/issues/1835
 we could forge them or add the ones we need in ~./icons
 the other option is to change the .desktop to force them to use other icons
[17:25] <wxl> guiverc2: i'm excited about the positive response you're seeing on that upstream issue. sometimes things don't happen that way.
[17:26] <wxl> @HMollerCl so i guess we're back to trying to figure out how to override.. and make sure it doesn't affect the file manager
[17:26] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T91: Update mimeapps.list] kc2bez (Dan Simmons) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91#1612
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl so i guess we're back to trying to figure out how to override.. …], it doesn't override the file manager because we use 22x22 in file manager. It could override some context menu (example, all the about in the apps use help-about icon, same that lxqt about uses) but I haven't found any other at the moment. Tha
[17:31] <wxl> but how would we do that without affecting non lubuntu users?
 with OnlyShowIn and NotShowIn?
[17:33] <wxl> that would mean the desktop doesn't appear in the menu
 like /usr/share/applications/software-properties-lxqt.desktop
 which has: OnlyShowIn=LXQt;
[17:35] <wxl> yes but that's part of the package
[17:35] <wxl> there are non-lubuntu users that might use the package that want it in the menu
 mi idea is to have 2 .desktop files
 one for us with OnlyShowIn=LXQt; and one for the others with NotShowIn=LXQt;
 Other option is via xdg put a .desktop in ~/.local/share/applications
 with the same name but other Icon=
[17:38] <wxl> that is a more plausible option
 the only issue with changing .desktop is that it affects all/any icon-theme
 but honestly, a scanner app, a printer app, should an app icon, not a "device" icon
[17:41] <wxl> well you could always argue on the issue. that's not totally unreasonable.
 ok, I will move forward with that solution then.
[17:43] <wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any input on this?
[17:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T51: fix usb-creator-kde] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51#1614
[17:59] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Bionic 18.04.3] (20190801) has been added
[17:59] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop i386 [Bionic 18.04.3] (20190801) has been added
[17:59] <wxl> oh is that a thing already?
[18:04] <wxl> everyone and especially guiverc2 (tester extraordinaire), 18.04.3 is available now for testing. if you could hit it hard, especially on hardware, that would be great. plan is to have it released in a week (next thursday)
[18:21] <kc2bez> O hai
[18:21] <kc2bez> I can bust out my 32 bit potato
 @wxl [<wxl> @tsimonq2: do you have any input on this?], Not particularly
[19:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL9c6211c4c9a4: Add link to startup disk creator now that SRU is done] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL9c6211c4c9a4
[20:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T58: consider minimal install] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58#1616
[20:36] <The_LoudSpeaker> !standup
[20:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> 0/
[20:38] <wxl> it is Thu Aug 1 20:38:11 UTC 2019
[20:38] <wxl> tl;dr you're early
 I did some Phab maintenance, worked with apt-ghetto and Dan on various packaging things, not much for me this week
[20:39] <apt-ghetto> if [ The_LoudSpeaker && !standup]; then sleep 30m; fi
[20:39] <wxl> ^^ that
 XD
[20:39] <wxl> you're too early @tsimonq2 but bonus points for showing up. wow.
[20:39] <apt-ghetto> +1 ^^
[20:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> Ohh! Didn't know. This was the reason I asked last time was I half hour early?
[20:39] <wxl> it's like a brand new age
[20:40] <wxl> The_LoudSpeaker: `date -u`
[20:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> wxl: ??
 He doesn't want to date you, he wants to `date -u`
[20:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> I got that but what does date -u mean?
[20:43] <wxl> run it and find out
[20:43] <wxl> or read the manpage
[20:43] <lynorian> it shows the time and date in UTC
[20:43] <wxl> i'll give you a clue: it's relevant
[20:43] <The_LoudSpeaker> Not on pc rn. Will do later.
[21:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> 0/
 now its time
[21:00] <apt-ghetto> \O
[21:00] <lynorian> \o
[21:01] <kc2bez> o|
 -o__/
[21:01] <wxl> anyone else?
[21:02] <wxl> ok then let's do it
[21:02] <wxl> raman you're up
[21:03] <wxl> The_LoudSpeaker: !
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> if [ The_LoudSpeaker && !standup]; then sleep 30m; fi], print(m)
[21:05] <wxl> ok we're skipping him
[21:05] <wxl> apt-ghetto: go
[21:06] <apt-ghetto> I have fixed some minor issues on ci.lubuntu.me
[21:06] <apt-ghetto> Trojita fails to build on ppc64el (I did not investigate further)
[21:06] <apt-ghetto> lxqt-archiver fails in stable branch because of agaida (I guess)
[21:06] <apt-ghetto> libfm-qt in disco unstable fails to build because i messed up the symbols (not a compiler issue, but I don't understand why)
[21:06] <apt-ghetto> I guess @RikMills is not so happy with the CI and symbols-fixing solution, on the other hand it is a good playground to fail and learn
[21:06] <apt-ghetto> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90 is in the pipeline and should be released next week
[21:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Bionic locker should be light-locker: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T90
[21:06] <wxl> actually perhaps this week
[21:07]  * guiverc2 walks in room
[21:07] <apt-ghetto> I have opened upstream issues for https://phab.lubuntu.me/T85 and https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87
[21:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Set GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR correctly: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T85
[21:07] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Calamares: Address security issue related to FDE: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T87
[21:07] <apt-ghetto> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1209
[21:07] <apt-ghetto> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1201
[21:07] <apt-ghetto> https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1203 because of launchpad bug 1827501
[21:07] <apt-ghetto> And today calamares accepted my PR for https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1198
[21:07] <wxl> no, you're right. next week
[21:07] <apt-ghetto> That's from my side
[21:08] <wxl> nice work! an upstream pr, too!!
[21:08] <apt-ghetto> Yeah, I am also a bit proud
[21:08] <kc2bez> Excellent!
[21:08] <wxl> you can put that on your draft developer application
[21:08] <wxl> you do have one, right?
[21:08] <wxl> *AHEM*
[21:08] <wxl> lynorian: go
[21:08] <kc2bez> ^
[21:09] <apt-ghetto> Then I have to start my draft soon, so I will not forget it, when I apply next year
[21:09] <lynorian> Add link to command line tutorail
[21:09] <lynorian> Way more bluetooth stuff
[21:09] <lynorian> hyphenation in lowriter
[21:09] <lynorian> widow/orphan control of lowriter
[21:09] <lynorian> styles in lowriter
[21:09] <lynorian> show installed fiels in muon
[21:09] <lynorian> more package filtering in muon
[21:09] <lynorian> work on deleting things in session settings and checkbox wait for tray
[21:09] <lynorian> brightness now has multimonitor
[21:09] <lynorian> && and | in cli tutorial
[21:09] <wxl> oo bluetooth
[21:09] <lynorian> link to startup disk creator to create usb in chapter 1.2
[21:09] <lynorian> this is it for this week
[21:09] <wxl> yay on usb-creator, too!
[21:09] <lynorian> yes
[21:10] <wxl> kc2bez go
[21:10] <kc2bez> Took a (too) short vacation the tail end of last week.
[21:10] <kc2bez> Tasks.
[21:10] <kc2bez> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91
[21:10] <kc2bez> uploaded lubuntu-default-settings 19.10.3
[21:10] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Resolved] Update mimeapps.list: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T91
[21:10] <kc2bez> That is it from me in my abbreviated week.
[21:10] <wxl> that was a good one, though
[21:10] <wxl> ok @HMollerCl
 ok
 I investigated how/why icons are populated in the menu
 becasue we have some monhrome icons that in our default scheme dark panel/light window looks bad
 thing is that menu uses 16x16 icons and places and devices have only monochromes in that (becasue sometim3es are used in filemanager)
 so, we need to find a solution and I will start work on it.
 I will try to fix it creating .desktop in ~./local/applications. Unless anyone has a better idea.
 for more info https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-icon-theme/issues/1835
 reverted connection-editor
 (with help from wxl)
 Still cleaning PEP8, lintian oand ther on lubuntu-update-notifier
 found this which we could put in whislist (needs packaging apparently) … https://github.com/PapirusDevelopmentTeam/papirus-libreoffice-theme
[21:14] <wxl> oh ^^^ lynorian re: connection-editor the manual for 19.10 needs to discuss using nm-tui for basic needs but then how to use gnome-connection-editor or whatever it's called for more advanced things
[21:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> I am back.
[21:15] <wxl> please make a task for that, Hans
 ok
[21:15] <wxl> and i don't think we technically have a task for lubuntu-update-notifier do we?
[21:16] <wxl> i don't think we do. having one would help us track that
[21:16] <kc2bez> I thought Simon made one.
[21:16] <wxl> those can both be subtasks of T41/19.10
 mmm, we had
 not sure if we re-created
[21:17] <wxl> oic little bits are there
[21:17] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98
[21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Cleanup for lubuntu-update-notifier prior to uploading: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T98
[21:17] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97
[21:17] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Make lubuntu-update-notifier PEP-8 compliant: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T97
[21:17] <wxl> he just didn't make them parents of T41
[21:17] <apt-ghetto> Would be much easier if you can define a parent task, when creating a new task (*hint for the phab admins*)
[21:18] <wxl> you can
[21:18] <wxl> start off from the parent task and it's super easy
[21:19] <wxl> ok got that done
[21:19] <wxl> anything else?
 from my side none
[21:20] <wxl> ok go raman
[21:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> Yup!
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> Hii. So I don't have much. And sorry for going blank earlier. I was installing lubuntu to a friend's laptop.
 @tsimonq2 Do we create the language channels as an owner and put you as an administrator?
[21:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> About the lubuntu-grub-theme,
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> Reading docs. College started from today so didn't get much time. Will try to do by weekend.
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> About xscreensaver themes. I kept staring at themes today for about past 1 hour. Noted which are good. Will start soon.
[21:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> That's it.
[21:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> Also, learnt how to send encrypted mails
[21:23] <wxl> yay :)
[21:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> And got k9 mail all set.
[21:23] <wxl> ok i guess that leaves me
[21:23] <wxl> spew coming soon
[21:24] <wxl>  * TASKS
[21:24] <wxl>    * Made task to explore compton fork https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[21:24] <wxl>    * Accepted Bionic locker SRU https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23
[21:24] <wxl>    * Various comments on the xscreensaver task, including a first stab at a lock screen theme https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21
[21:24] <wxl>    * Created a task to fix DND in MTP devices https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] investigate yshui's compton fork: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T96
[21:24] <wxl>    * Requested changes on one of the shortcuts tasks https://phab.lubuntu.me/D17
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Set default lock to light-locker-command: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D23
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] Our xscreensaver theme is too old: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Fix DND with MTP devices: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T99
[21:24] <wxl>    * Commented on default settings for touchpad task https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Revision] Edited Shortcuts.: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D17
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Open] Define and Implement Default Settings for Touchpad: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T26
[21:24] <wxl>    * Commented on minimal install task with some upstream news https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] consider minimal install: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T58
[21:24] <wxl>    * Finally marked usb-creator task as resolved! https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [High, Resolved] fix usb-creator-kde: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T51
[21:24] <wxl>  * TESTING
[21:24] <wxl>    * Tested the mimetypes fix https://phab.lubuntu.me/rDEFAULTSETTINGS74450398791522ab85a5190c6809ce50a76cfb70
[21:24] <wxl>    * Tested and verified Bionic locker SRU https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1812594
[21:24] <wxl>  * COMMITS
[21:24] <wxl>    * Sponsored reversion of nm-tray connection editor change https://phab.lubuntu.me/D25
[21:24] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Closed] Reverted previous commit: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D25
[21:24] <wxl>  * MISCELLANEOUS
[21:24] <wxl>    * Updated Discourse support category pin to suggest information to include https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/about-the-support-category/13
[21:24] <wxl>    * Added tagging functionality to Discourse.
[21:24] <wxl>    * Tagged posts on Discourse.
[21:24] <wxl>    * Answered an AskUbuntu question about replacing xscreensaver's lock mechanism https://askubuntu.com/a/1161114/237241
[21:24] <wxl>    * Answered an AskUbuntu question about DND to desktop not working due to user-dirs.dirs https://askubuntu.com/a/1161370/237241
[21:24] <wxl>    * Answered an AskUbuntu question about making the writing cursor non-blinking https://askubuntu.com/a/1161329/237241
[21:24] <wxl>    * Installed Raman as a mailing list moderator
[21:24] <wxl>    * Commented on a Reddit thread about hash/GPG verification of ISOs https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/cimqtk/feedbackama_thread_for_julyaugust_2019/evcj00y/?st=jyol4apb&sh=089d3f54
[21:24] <wxl>    * Created a Support wiki page https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/support/
[21:24] <wxl>    * Answered a Reddit question about windows shortcuts https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/ck31z4/no_windows_keyboard_shortcuts/?st=jyqqak1x&sh=e8bf62a8
[21:25] <apt-ghetto> Don't forget guiverc
[21:26] <guiverc> I've got nothing to say; here to listen
[21:26] <wxl> ok guiverc you're up if everyone's done digesting my stuff
[21:26] <lynorian> wxl is the support linked in why not get involved?
[21:26] <wxl> ooh good call
[21:26] <wxl> but guiverc you helped so much with testing!
 after guiverc we have @N0um3n0
[21:27] <wxl> oh well we'll let guiverc be modest :)
[21:27] <guiverc> HMollerCl & wxl - I upstreamed ??? but I haven't read what occurred since then yet
[21:27] <wxl> go @N0um3n0
[21:28] <wxl> guiverc: it's been really positive, actually!
[21:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALaabab0b93e96: Add second link for phab wiki on support] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALaabab0b93e96
 go @N0um3n0
 we are going to start creating the support channels and today we are going to create the German one
 @aptghetto we expect you to be there to
[21:32] <wxl> if you could add the ones we have and the ones we will have here.. that would eb great https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/support/
 With @HMollerCl and @JyotiGomes as admins
 And @aptghetto ?
[21:32] <apt-ghetto> Send me the link, I will look also
[21:32] <apt-ghetto> I don't need to be an admin
 soon we will create more channels but today we will start with this
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> I don't need to be an admin], Ok
 No problem
[21:34] <wxl> good job!!!
 I will put the link as soon as it is created
 ;)
 we need to link all teh telegrams channel to irc
 (or telegram groups)
[21:35] <wxl> we should have a separate table for other language support
[21:35] <wxl> since we also have irc channels (and technically matrix ones)
 @wxl [<wxl> since we also have irc channels (and technically matrix ones)], I will make a list, right now Russian and Portuguese are pending
[21:36] <wxl> having a discourse area might be good, too
[21:37] <wxl> mailing list as a dream
 @wxl [<wxl> having a discourse area might be good, too], We are preparing a document that will be finished shortly commenting on these things, such as space for languages in discourse, etc.  It will be sent to all members when finished.
[21:41] <wxl> sounds great! thank you!!!!
 ;)
[21:41] <apt-ghetto> You can create a wiki page
[21:43] <wxl> anything or anyone else???
[21:44] <wxl> ok then i guess we'll call it
[21:44] <wxl> thank you everyone!!!
[21:44] <apt-ghetto> Maybe a organisational thing: Should we have SRU_19.04, SRU_18.04 etc. as mastertask, so that we can close them
 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> You can create a wiki page], I agree, we also have this spoken
[21:44] <kc2bez> Thanks to you wxl
[21:44] <guiverc> thanks wxl & everyone
[21:45]  * wxl tips his invisible hat
[21:45] <apt-ghetto> Now we have just one SRU task and every closed subtask remains forever (or to the next data loss)
[21:46] <wxl> well we can split them from their parent
[21:47] <wxl> which might be good to do
 @lubuntu_bot [*wxl: tips his invisible hat*], is it red?
 or is it a fedora?
[21:48] <wxl> i do have one behind the desk, but it's not a fedora
[21:49] <wxl> that's right: a red hat red hat that's not a fedora
[21:51] <wxl> i do have something like this https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0835/6551/products/H912_1_grande.jpg?v=1535533827
 German channel is created, we are in  … t.me/LubuntuDeutschthe
 the German channel is created, we are in … http://t.me/LubuntuDeutsch
[22:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7437c5d01e6c: Add note about trojita system tray] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7437c5d01e6c
 @N0um3n0 [the German channel is created, we are in … http://t.me/LubuntuDeutsch], Niceeeee
 @N0um3n0 [the German channel is created, we are in … http://t.me/LubuntuDeutsch], @aptghetto


[00:00] <clivejo> bang!
[02:11] <mamarley> clivejo: My initial impression is that Plasma 5.5.5 is working great!  Plasma and kwin start and screen locking works.
[08:50] <soee> hiho
[10:27] <mparillo> mamarley: How are you getting 5.5.5? I have the Xenial PPA-Landing, just checked for updates, and I am still on 5.5.4
[10:35] <soee> mparillo: it is in staging i think
[10:35] <soee> mparillo: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.series_filter=xenial
[10:35] <soee> and 5.5.5 needs to be tested, so if you can please do :)
[10:36] <soee> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[10:39] <soee> clivejo: you could also ping testers
[10:40] <mparillo> So on Landing, there is only one big PPA (either ppa-landing for development release, or backports-ppa for backports), but in Staging, there are three separate PPAs? Plasma, Frameworks, and KDE Applications?
[10:41] <soee> yes
[10:41] <soee> mparillo: here you have an overview https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[10:42] <mparillo> Are there not all kinds of dependencies between Plasma, Frameworks, and Apps?
[10:42] <mparillo> TY
[10:42] <soee> well probably apps and plasma can have minimal version of Frameworks set
[10:43] <clivejo> mamarley: does it contain your fix for the monitors?
[10:46] <mparillo> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma 110 to be upgraded and 1 new package.
[10:49] <mparillo> Done. Re-booting.
[10:50] <soee> what new package it was ?
[10:55] <clivejo> mine has 125 upgrades and one new install
[10:55] <clivejo> libopus0:i386
[10:56] <mamarley> clivejo: The computers experiencing that problem are at my parents' house.  I don't want to upgrade them remotely in case something goes wrong, but I will test it later this week.
[10:56] <clivejo> no problem
[10:59] <mparillo> kinfocenter reports plasma 5.5.5 ! I vote we copy from staging to landing and then call for testers.
[11:03] <clivejo> there are a few lintian warnings/errors Id like yofel to have a look at
[11:06] <yofel> don't expect me to look at plasma before the weekend
[11:07] <clivejo> yofel: is there anything I can help with?
[11:08] <yofel> well, if you really have nothing to do you could investigate if digikam can be saved
[11:09] <clivejo> !info digikam xenial
[11:09] <yofel> try to install it
[11:09] <clivejo> on my xenial?
[11:09] <yofel> yes
[11:12] <clivejo> I think the systray icons are finally fixed in 5.5.5 :)
[11:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: when you have some time, please pull automation and run: ./ubuntu-archive-upload -v 15.12.1 -t /tmp/apps/ -r applications -a kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc
[11:13] <yofel> for the apps upload. Also, comment out line 182 in the script before you do so the timestamps don't change. I already released and tagged stuff
[11:14]  * yofel -> lunch
[11:15]  * clivejo wonders why his Telegram desktop icon in systray looks to have a horrible purple smudge
[11:18] <clivejo> yofel: digikam is installing fine on my system
[11:19] <clivejo> FW 5.18, Plasma 5.5.5, Apps 15.12.1
[11:19]  * clivejo forgot how useful digikam is
[11:21] <clivejo> only thing I cant find is the geo  tab
[11:21] <clivejo> there used to be a little map that plotted where the photo was taken if it was geo-tagged
[11:22] <clivejo> Im guessing thats probably a marble plugin
[11:22] <yofel> weird, well ok then
[11:22] <yofel> it's libmarblewidget. You'll get it back with the qt5 digikam release
[11:23] <yofel> so far they're at 5.0 beta3
[11:23] <clivejo> 37 kipi plugins installed
[11:23] <clivejo> kipi plugins 4.12.0 libkip 2.2.0
[11:24]  * yofel -> really lunch
[11:24] <clivejo> enjoy!
[11:27]  * claydoh wonders if it would be a good idea to bump digikam to the beta just so we can get the kipi plugins for gwenview, etc :)
[11:29] <clivejo> what version does gwenview need?
[11:30] <claydoh> whatever is qt5/plasma 5, which is  from digikam 5
[11:34] <clivejo> is the libkipi not being split from digikam into apps?
[11:34] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/libkipi.git/
[11:34] <clivejo> this guy seems to have digikam5 packaged for wily
[11:34] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/ubuntu/extra
[11:38] <clivejo> is it kipi-plugins5 we need for gwenview?
[11:38]  * clivejo goes off to play
[11:39] <claydoh> i did try beta 1 some time back but gwenview did not see the kipi plugins, I assume it needs compiling with support switched on?
[11:40] <clivejo> Ill grab that packaging for wily and repackage for xenial, and try to build gwenview with kipi-plugins5
[11:40] <clivejo> see if that works
[11:40]  * claydoh goes to bed, 11 days in a row without rest is going to kill him before he gets to vacation in Australia
[11:40] <claydoh> cool clivejo
[11:40] <yofel> kipi-plugin is bundle released with digikam
[11:41] <yofel> philip5 just builds from git, so it's seperate
[11:42] <yofel> sgclark: FYI: libkgapi and libkoabxml are in proposed. kolab I'll do once rohan gets to uploading apps. That's entangled with that
[11:44] <clivejo> yofel: could I use https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/ubuntu/extra/+files/digikam5_5.0.0~beta3-wily~ppa1.debian.tar.xz to package a xenial version?
[11:45] <yofel> maaaybe. If that uses the official digikam tarball
[11:45] <clivejo> its packaging a KF5 version
[11:45] <yofel> yeah, digikam 5 is the qt5 release
[11:45] <clivejo> into kipi-plugins5
[11:46] <clivejo> but what Im asking is the KF5 version the one gwenview is looking for?
[11:46] <yofel> it is, gwenview uses kf5 libkipi, and that can only use qt5 kipi plugins
[11:47] <clivejo> ok, Ill go play with it
[12:09] <clivejo> yofel sgclark: regarding libkipi and libkf5kipi, they cant co-exist on the same system?
[12:09] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/pznfgojxa
[12:14] <yofel> right
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:28] <clivejo> is there a reason they cant both exist?
[12:35] <yofel> haven't look at that
[12:35] <yofel> *looked
[12:52] <soee> al fine with updated topic ?
[12:55] <yofel> ~right
[12:55] <allee> clivejo: AFAIU they should be able to coexist.  As the plugin search path is different for kde4 and KF5  the libkipi* can coexists.  lib*kipi-data can both have partly the same data, but if the installation path is different, they can also coexists.
[12:55] <yofel> maybe add the 5.5.5 wip part
[13:01] <allee> clivejo: philips digikam 4 package had a quite different split as debian and ubuntu AFAIR.
[13:03] <allee> clivejo: at least in digikam 4 times marble used parts from digikam.  *IF* that is still the case also the case for qt5 (true?),  we need to split philps packaging the lib*(-dev) that are needed by marble.
[13:04] <yofel> it's the other way around, and the marble integration in digikam is broken because of the qt4/5 mismatch
[13:04] <allee> yofel: ah, right
[13:05] <yofel> but yeah, you are right on the different packaging scheme
[13:06] <allee> so the digikam5* kipi* pkgs should no longer include  .h and .a files etc
[13:07]  * allee is a fan of the simple layout of digikam5.  In 4 it's turned out as overkill IMHO
[13:13]  * yofel goes looking at screenshots
[13:13] <yofel> so far I only ever looked at the version numbers in the announcements, nother else XD
[13:14] <yofel> looks not that different to me
[13:15] <yofel> I think the biggest improvement here is breeze. Oxygen just made the small UI elements in digikam look bad
[13:41] <clivejo> has debian packaged digikam5 yet?
[13:47] <yofel> you'll probably want to ask them
[14:23] <sgclark> morning
[14:23] <clivejo> morning sgclark
[14:26] <sgclark> yofel: did apps get uploaded?
[14:26] <yofel> n o
[14:27] <sgclark> clivejo: is plasma done?
[14:27] <sgclark> ok
[14:27] <clivejo> sgclark: few lintian warnings/errors Id like someone to look at
[14:27] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.5_xenial.html
[14:27] <sgclark> clivejo: listed in packaging notepad?
[14:28] <sgclark> that works too
[14:28] <clivejo> although Im using it and seems to be working OK
[14:28] <sgclark> desktop-mime-but-no-exec-code needs to be files upstream
[14:28] <sgclark> filed* as a bug
[14:29] <sgclark> script-not-executable I recall there being a debhelper tool that can make these executable
[14:31] <sgclark> kwin multi-arch -- I am still not fully clear on architecture stuff, yofel can probably help here when he has time.
[14:38] <sgclark> clivejo: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/dh.1.html in particular you want to read override_dh_fixperms:
[14:43] <sgclark> libkscreen looking at the symbols file libkf5screen-bin in there does look very out of place.
[14:45] <sgclark> plasma-workspace needs versions added to those breaks
[14:46]  * sgclark thinks most of this is self explanatory
[14:47] <sgclark> user-manager needs the copyright file updated, upstream-maintainer needs to be changed to upstream contact.
[14:49] <sgclark> I do have a doctor appointment today, so I am afk most of this afternoon.
[15:38] <marco-parillo> On Xenial, I think we still need ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma for Plasma 5.5.5, but in the topic, it looks as if Plasma 5.5 for Wily in already in ppa: kubuntu-ppa/backports
[15:39] <yofel> "fixed"
[15:42] <BluesKaj> I see kwayland-data on 2 upgrades in the last hr, are we moving closer to replacing "X" ?
[15:44] <marco-parillo> On Xenial, on physical ardware, I added the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma repository and Plasma 5.5.5 seemed stable to me (but I did not face instability on 5.5.4).
[15:44] <yofel> 5.5 has a wayland session that's supposed to actually show you a desktop - not that usable though
[15:46] <BluesKaj> yeah i saw JR's page showing wayland desktop ...looked ok
[15:49] <BluesKaj>   here: http://jriddell.org/2016/03/01/wayland-image-updated/
[16:05] <marco-parillo> Trying in a VM: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma It looks as if libkf5screen-bin   will be added and 112 packages upgraded from ppa-landing.
[16:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: running command
[16:11] <yofel> thanks :)
[16:13] <shadeslayer> uhh
[16:13] <shadeslayer> subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['git', 'commit', '-a', '-m', 'NOCI\nRelease to xenial.']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[16:13] <shadeslayer> I did comment out 182
[16:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[16:14] <yofel> hm... comment that out too...
[16:14] <shadeslayer> what line is that?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> 200?
[16:14] <yofel> 200
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ack
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ok it's doing it's thing
[16:15] <shadeslayer> I'll upload it when I get back at around 7:15
[16:17] <genii> genii-testing: highlight test
[16:20] <marco-parillo> KDE Plasma Version 5.5.5 in a Xenial VM. No immediate breakage.
[16:23] <genii-testing> This machine is booted to Xenial and fully updated. Feel free to ping if some testing is required.
[16:30] <marco-parillo> Well my test case was pretty simple. Update to ppa-landing (sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing) Then upgrade to plasma-staging (sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma). Make sure kinfocenter gives you Plasma 5.5.5 and watch out for any regressions.
[16:31] <genii> marco-parillo: You want me to try that then?
[16:35] <marco-parillo> I think it would be great, and soee asked me to, so I think it is also a good idea. The usual caveat against running it on an irreplacable partition / VM.
[16:41] <genii-testing> ppa-landing added, update/upgrade cycle went fine, no packages held back. staging-plasma added, updated OK, upgrade is pulling in ~65MB of stuff right now
[16:48] <genii-testing> gwenview held back, doing dist-upgrade
[16:49] <genii-testing> No errors. Rebooting.
[16:53] <genii-testing> marco-parillo: The process seems to have been a success
[16:54] <marco-parillo> Then my vote (not that I get one) would be to push 5.5.5 to ppa-landing.
[16:55] <marco-parillo> Then to call for testers.
[17:04] <genii-testing> Got a bunch of weird errors like "W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/var/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloads/partial/webdin32.exe' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)" installing kubuntu-restricted-extras, but it seems to have completed successfully
[17:05] <yofel> apt now runs as "_apt", not "root" for the downloading part, so it complains if it has to fallback to root to download something
[17:06] <genii-testing> yofel: So should it be given a different directory to download to which is writable for that user?
[17:07] <yofel> yeah, question in this case is whether the extras or update-notifier would be responsible for that
[17:23] <clivejo> sgclark: is this big report okay?  https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360319
[17:46] <clivejo> should I add a Lintian override to bluedevil while the bug report is looked at?
[17:49] <clivejo> soee: you home?
[17:50] <soee> clivejo: yes, but first something to eat, im starving
[17:50] <clivejo> dont forget you're testing plasma tonight!
[17:57] <clivejo> yofel sgclark: The bluedevil lintian bug has been fixed upstream, as per https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360292
[17:58] <clivejo> what do I do about it now, just ignore it?  create a patch? or lintian override it?
[18:02] <valorie> o/ from Yakima, WA
[18:03] <valorie> over the mountains from home
[18:03] <clivejo> o/
[18:03] <valorie> ahoneybun: around?
[18:03] <clivejo> havent seen him
[18:03] <valorie> our room is right next to the river which is nearly at flood stage
[18:03] <valorie> interesting to watch
[18:06] <valorie> !note ahoneybun look into #kde-www about changes in the community.k.o wiki
[18:06] <valorie> pfff
[18:16] <soee> ok im full now :) just hot tea left
[18:27] <clivejo> soee test plasma!
[18:27] <soee> almost done
[18:28] <soee> clivejo: ok upgrade without any errors, now reboot
[18:29]  * genii-testing makes more coffee and waits for an assignment
[18:30] <soee> clivejo: all good :D
[18:30] <clivejo> sys tray looking ok?
[18:31] <soee> yup
[18:31] <mamarley> I never had any tray issues and still don't.
[18:31] <clivejo> mamarley: mine was corrupted until this recent update
[18:32] <clivejo> although the telegram desktop icon looks strange
[18:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: uploading apps
[18:32] <clivejo> shadeslayer: thanks so much for this :)
[18:34] <clivejo> I dont wanna go to this meeting :(
[18:34] <soee> whenever o open stream from KDE sprint @ CERN .. they eat :D
[18:36] <valorie> lol
[18:37] <valorie> Italians are famous for that!
[18:37] <soee> :D
[18:38]  * valorie invites everyone along to taste Yakima Valley wines this afternoon
[18:38] <marco-parillo> And Italo-Americans as well!
[18:40] <genii-testing> Is ddebs repository for Kubuntu different than ddebs.ubuntu.com ?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> clivejo: yofel all uploaded
[18:41] <shadeslayer> :O
[18:41] <shadeslayer> everything rejected
[18:41] <shadeslayer> apparently everything needs -Sa
[18:42] <soee> what is -Sa ?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> include source
[18:44] <shadeslayer> man debuild :)
[18:51] <shadeslayer> uploading again
[18:51] <shadeslayer> cya later
[18:52] <valorie> shadeslayer: <3
[18:55] <soee> clivejo: ping
[19:08] <yofel> genii-testing: es
[19:08] <yofel> yes
[19:08] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks!
[19:09] <genii-testing> yofel: Thanks :)
[19:35] <clivejo> soee: pong
[19:36] <soee> clivejo: now when shadeslayer uploaded apps, is it possible to stage https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.12.2.php ?
[19:48] <clivejo> soee: you know the drill by now!!  yofel makes those decisions, not me!
[19:49] <yofel> go ahead, it's tagged and uploaded
[19:49] <clivejo> I need some help with some minor packaging in plasma 5.5.5
[19:49] <clivejo> but Im just about to set off for a meeting
[19:50] <yofel> pay attention to your mails though, you might get build failure mails for 15.12.1
[19:50] <clivejo> should be back in couple of hours
[19:51] <yofel> regarding frameworks: don't stage 5.19
[19:51] <yofel> we should just sync what debian has after 16.04 is out
[19:59] <yofel> let see if I can get calligra reviewed
[20:02] <yofel> hm, that needs a rebase
[20:12] <ahoneybun> claydoh, still have that error from plasmashell?
[20:13] <claydoh> ahoneybun: no, installed kscreen-something-bin, as mentioned later
[20:13] <claydoh> someone mentioned later
[20:13] <ahoneybun> oh I still have it as I did not do that
[20:13]  * claydoh looks up to find
[20:14] <claydoh> libkf5screen-bin
[20:15]  * ahoneybun triers
[20:15] <ahoneybun> rebooting
[20:19] <ahoneybun> claydoh, success
[20:20] <ahoneybun> sgclark, installing libkf5screen-bin fixed claydoh and I's issue
[20:44] <yofel> genii-testing: on second thought, I misread your question. For the primary archive, the debug repo is ddebs.ubuntu.com, that's for everything in the archive. ddebs.ubuntu.com does not contain PPA related symbols though
[20:52] <genii-testing> yofel: So are the -dbg packages for whats in Kubuntu PPAs in the same PPAs then?
[20:53] <yofel> genii-testing: right, they are built in the ppa's
[21:09] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkolab/1.0.2-1ubuntu1 wtf?
[21:09] <yofel> this worked in the ppa
[21:51] <sgclark> yofel: if I had to guess it looks like we will suffer the same build orders issues as ppa
[21:51] <sgclark> I presume I have retry permissions?
[21:53] <sgclark> clivejo: yofel I was planning on staging apps when they were ready.
[21:54] <soee> apps start to show in updates
[21:59] <yofel> sgclark: you should have them
[22:00] <sgclark> though if build succeeds I don't have a clue how to retrigger. ppa I bumped ppa number
[22:04] <yofel> you'll have to do a new archive upload
[22:04] <yofel> aren't apps supposed to have internal deps on >= 15.12.1 ?
[22:05] <sgclark> hmm yup, it is building with 15.08.2 akonadi
[22:05] <yofel> or meh, we probably didn't add that thanks to the merges
[22:05] <yofel> maybe we should upload entire kdepim again with all versions bumped
[22:05] <sgclark> no I recall adding a ton when I was rebuilding
[22:05] <yofel> oh ok
[22:06] <sgclark> but obviously ssomething was missed.
[22:07] <sgclark> I think only kolab affected *crosses fingers*
[22:07] <sgclark> wtf libkf5akonadi-dev (>= 15.12.1~),
[22:08] <sgclark> it should *not* have built with 15.08.2
[22:08] <sgclark> retrying. that makes no sense. What is the ~ at the end anyway?
[22:08] <sgclark> yofel: ^
[22:12] <sgclark> uhh wait a minute. another one kmailtransport failed also built with akonadi 15.08.2
[22:15] <yofel> sgclark: the epochs are missing
[22:15] <yofel> 4:15.08.2 > 15.12.1
[22:15] <sgclark> yofel: ah
[22:16]  * yofel totally missed that :/
[22:19] <sgclark> is there an easy way to find which packages have epochs? this is a mistake too easily made
[22:19] <yofel> grep with a fancy regexp?
[22:19] <sgclark> hahahahaha
[22:20] <yofel> actually, we have logic for that in k-a
[22:20] <yofel> there is a packages-with-epoch list in one of the json files
[22:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: upload didn't go well afaict
[22:33] <yofel> as in build failures?
[22:33] <clivejo> the new FF is really getting on my nerves
[22:34] <sgclark> libkolab is updated and needs a new upload
[22:34] <yofel> just go and upload
[22:35] <sgclark> has not uploaded to archive in what seems like forever. how? lol
[22:35] <yofel> use 'ubuntu' as the dput target
[22:36] <clivejo> armhf build of ktnef 4:15.12.1-0ubuntu1 failed
[22:36] <sgclark> debuild -S ?
[22:36] <yofel> yes
[22:36] <clivejo> ppc64el build of okteta 4:15.12.1-0ubuntu1 failed
[22:36] <sgclark> clivejo: we already know what is going on.
[22:36] <sgclark> stupid epochs
[22:36] <yofel> and make sure you strip any ppa suffix from the version
[22:37] <clivejo> sgclark: yofel asked me to keep an eye on my emails
[22:37] <sgclark> okies dokie.
[22:43] <mamarley> You might say, "Epoch fail!" ;p
[22:44]  * clivejo cries
[22:44] <yofel> heh
[22:44] <sgclark> haha
[22:44] <sgclark> libkolab uploaded. moving on to kmailtransport
[22:45] <clivejo> nothing will work for me
[22:45] <sgclark> context?
[22:46] <clivejo> FF keeps crashing, Netflix wont load, Im tired and grumpy
[22:47]  * yofel runs nf in chrome, ff never renders the videos fluently
[22:47] <clivejo> Im using chrome
[22:48] <clivejo> There was an unexpected error. Please reload the page and try again.
[22:48] <yofel> o.O
[22:48] <clivejo> every video is the same
[22:49] <yofel> "Netflix Site Error", well, that's that
[22:49] <clivejo> I wanted to watch some Big Bang to cheer me up
[22:51] <sgclark> been hearing lots of complaints on FF last few days
[22:51] <sgclark> thankfully I can say "we don't package that"
[22:52]  * yofel hasn't installed todays ff 45 update yet
[22:56] <sgclark> kmailtransport fixed and uploaded
[22:58] <clivejo> sgclark: are you staging 15.12.2?
[22:58] <sgclark> that was my plan yes
[22:58] <sgclark> but I need to fix archive first
[22:58] <clivejo> ok
[23:04] <sgclark> err I am very confused. seems libkf5akonadi-dev does not even exist
[23:08] <clivejo> its being migrated out to libkf5akonadiserver-dev I think
[23:09] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/tree/debian/control
[23:10] <clivejo> libkf5akonadiserver-dev replaces and breaks libakonadi-dev
[23:12] <sgclark> somehow it exists in misc ppa. .. ugh
[23:12] <clivejo> its in kdepimlibs
[23:12] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepimlibs.git/tree/debian/control
[23:13] <clivejo> with 15.12.2 I dont think the migration has happened
[23:13] <sgclark> well it is not in archive, hense my confusion
[23:16] <sgclark> oh.
[23:16] <sgclark> it is still building.
[23:25] <sgclark> ok found the epoch file. doesnt make this any easier :/
[23:29]  * ahoneybun walks in


[01:33] <eboyjr> I'm trying to make a new Solo project with Bazaar, what is the advantage of creating a repository for the project at the top level and to nest a main branch within it?
[01:34] <eboyjr> I would rather just do: `bzr init` :P
[01:35] <gutworth_> it takes up less space to clone paralell branches
[01:37] <eboyjr> Alright I won't need that for sure.
[01:38] <eboyjr> I have another question: What is a good way to put bzr on a server and modify it with GTK+ programs like Olive from a remote computer?
[07:29]  * fullermd grumbles and shakes his fist at stat's fetish for WT's...
[07:31] <poolie> hi vila?
[07:36] <vila> hi all !
[07:36] <vila> hey poolie !
[07:40] <poolie> hi there
[07:40] <poolie> quick call?
[07:40] <poolie> vila^^
[07:41] <vila> sure
[10:29] <Okkin> Hi, I have a probleme on svn synchronization after upgrading from bazaar 1.8 - bzr-svn 0.4.14 to bzr 2.0 - bzr-svn 1.0.0
[10:30] <Okkin> bzr pull returns bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.
[10:30] <Okkin> Is there a solution?
[10:33] <Okkin> The branches cannot diverge because it's a read only repository
[10:33] <Kinnison> perhaps you committed locally?
[10:34] <Okkin> No as i said it's a read only repository
[10:34] <Kinnison> try running 'bzr missing --mine-only' and see what it lists
[10:35] <Okkin> it returns all the commit list that came from the svn repo
[10:35] <Okkin> in fact it's all the commit since the creation of the branch
[10:37] <Kinnison> Hmm, that suggests that the commit IDs changed or something happened in how the bzr-svn integration works
[10:37] <Okkin> yep
[10:38] <lifeless> yes, a long time back
[10:38] <lifeless> bzr svn-upgrade
[10:38] <lifeless> IIRC
[10:38] <Okkin> ok
[10:38] <lifeless> its in the svn docs
[10:38] <Okkin> I'm trying
[10:38] <lifeless> bzr-svn docs.
[10:38] <Okkin> Oppps
[10:38] <lifeless> I suggest you read them before doing anything.
[10:40] <Okkin> The doc is the FAQ file isn't it?
[10:59] <Okkin> Sorry but I can't find insterresting docs about svn-upgrade
[10:59] <Okkin> add the command itself is not present in my bzr-svn installation
[11:01] <lifeless> Okkin: try filing a question on bzr-svn then
[11:02] <Okkin> you mean bzr-svn chanel?
[11:11] <Okkin> Ok I find a solution by setting default-mapping = v3 in bazaar.conf
[11:11] <Okkin> But I can't find a way to upgrade my repo
[11:11] <Okkin> Anyway thaks for your help
[11:12] <maxb> bzr foreign-mapping-upgrade?
[11:14] <Okkin> maxb: I didn't try this command but it sounds good
[12:09] <grahal> just did a bzr svn-import but the tags are not being mapped to a bzr revision (although bzr tags does show the tags). Any special option I need to pass to bzr?
[12:09] <grahal> also I find it strange that "trunk" has the tags
[12:13] <jelmer> grahal: What do you mean with "the tags are not being mapped to a revision" ?
[12:13] <grahal> bzr tags shows something like
[12:13] <grahal> 0.9.0        ?
[12:13] <grahal> 0.9.1        ?
[12:14] <grahal> etc...
[12:14] <jelmer> grahal: that's because the revisions that are tagged are not in the trunk branch probably
[12:15] <jelmer> bzr tags --show-ids should show you the revision ids
[12:15] <grahal> hmm, indeed
[12:16] <jelmer> the tags appear in trunk and the other branches
[12:18] <grahal> not sure i'm going things correctly
[12:18] <grahal> but
[12:18] <grahal> I want to import the modules in https://z3ext.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/z3ext/sources/  into separate bzr repos
[12:18] <jelmer> separate bzr branches you mean?
[12:18] <grahal> yep
[12:19] <jelmer> just running "bzr svn-import http://z3ext.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/z3ext/sources/" should be sufficient
[12:19] <jelmer> and create <foo>/trunk directories
[12:21] <grahal> let me try
[13:21] <rubbs> good morning everyone
[13:54] <vila> hi rubbs !
[13:59] <rubbs> hi vila how are you?
[13:59] <vila> fine, thanks, it's winter here, but so is it in half of the planet... :)
[14:02] <rubbs> haha, true. Winter here as well.
[14:03]  * jelmer waves
[14:03] <vila> \o
[14:04]  * rubbs waves back
[14:10] <vila> jam: ping
[14:32] <jam> morning vila
[14:32] <vila> morning jam !
[15:05] <oly>  so bzr checkout subfolder any ideas ? can it be done ?
[15:05] <jelmer> oly, not supported at the moment
[15:05] <oly> ah okay, but its being worked on i take it ?
[15:06] <vila> Isn't it what 'views' are about ?
[15:25] <jam> jelmer: any new plugin releases I should be packaging for 2.0.3 / 2.1.0b4 ?
[15:25] <jam> vila: sort of, but honestly not really
[15:25] <jelmer> jam: bzr-rewrite 0.5.5
[15:26] <jam> for 2.1.0b4 ?
[15:30] <jam> also, I'm pretty sure that explorer 0.10 should be in 2.1.0b4, but what about qbzr?
[15:30] <jam> I don't see a new 0.14 release
[15:30] <jam> so 0.14.5 in 2.0.3 but 0.16 in 2.1.0b4?
[15:30] <jam> I thought there was a 0.17 comingaround
[15:30] <jam> I guess bialix and garyvdm aren't around right now
[15:38] <vila> gee, the weather is bad on FreeNode today... :-/
[15:57] <bialix> tsmith: see this thread http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.bazaar-ng.general/63029
[16:01] <tsmith> bialix, yes that is my problem exactly
[16:01] <tsmith> but i fail to see any responses to that guy?
[16:02] <tsmith> WHAT HTE HELL?
[16:02] <tsmith> bialix, yes that is my problem exactly. but i fail to see any responses to that guy?
[16:02] <tsmith>    184 revisions
[16:02] <tsmith>   2145 file-ids
[16:02] <tsmith>      1 ghost revisions
[16:02] <tsmith>      1 inconsistent parents
[16:02] <tsmith> how do i fix that?
[16:03] <bialix> tsmith: look at the entire thread
[16:03] <bialix> it just URL to first post
[16:03] <tsmith> k
[16:03] <bialix> you have to publish a branch where your ghost revisions present
[16:03] <tsmith> bialix, i see links for Permalink | Reply | Report this as spam
[16:03] <tsmith> no thread links
[16:05] <bialix> tsmith: try there https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/063569.html
[16:05] <tsmith> AWESOME!
[16:05] <bialix> I'm reading bzr ML via gmane, there is some magic to get thread-view in there
[16:05] <bialix> but I'm using Thunderbird, so...
[16:10] <tsmith> you know, such a horrible bug should not have made it into a major revision (2.0.0)
[16:12] <bialix> it seems freenode storming today
[16:12] <bialix> tsmith: horrible bug?
[16:12] <bialix> I guess you need to work very hard to create ghost
[16:12] <bialix> at least in plain bzr branches
[16:13] <tsmith> no it's really easy!
[16:36] <jam> bialix, tsmith: there is also: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q4/thread.html#63569
[16:36] <bialix> hi jam
[16:36] <tsmith> jam, thank you veyr much
[16:37] <tsmith> Man! Freenode is as bad as Undernet in 1998!
[16:38] <jam> hey guys, can you check to see if you can access bzr+ssh on Launchpad? I don't see scheduled downtime, but I want to make sure it isn't just something wrong with my setup.
[16:38] <jam> I get: ... => bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev/: Unable to invoke remote bzr bazaar.launchpad.net; Channel closed.
[16:38] <jam> so the ssh handshake goes through, but it doesn't seem to have 'bzr' on the other end
[16:52] <tsmith> seirously, i'm going to have to give up bzr in about 5 minutes
[16:52] <tsmith> none of this crap wroks and i fear i have perpetually screwed up my repository
[17:00] <bialix> tsmith: you can do it without bad words
[17:00] <bialix> jam: `bzr tags -d lp:qbzr`  works for me
[17:00] <jam> bialix: yeah, I just had the old trunk
[17:00] <jam> I've updated
[17:00] <jam> I'm currently stuck because I can't push to launchpad
[17:01] <jam> but otherwise the installers are getting built
[17:01] <jam> maybe, I'll get a better response here.
[17:01] <jam> any losa's around?
[17:02] <Chex> jam: hi there
[17:02] <Chex> jam: can I help?
[17:03] <jam> hey Chex, I just realized it may be a local configuration fault. I was testing custom remote bzr's, let me check
[17:03] <jam> sorry Chex, it was all my fault
[17:04] <jam> I set "BZR_REMOTE_PATH" and it failed when connecting to lp
[17:04] <jam> which it *should* but our error was poor.
[17:04] <jam> thanks for showing up, though
[17:08] <bialix> jam: ok
[17:13] <bialix> jam: something bad with freenode today, I'd better go home. Send a mail, if something needed from qbzr/explorer side'
[17:24] <Chex> jams: no worries
[17:27] <jam> jelmer: there doesn't seem to be a bzr-rewrite-0.5.5 tag
[18:24] <Morbus> g'day. is there a way i can stop bzr from commiting my entire source tree, when i'm in a subdirectory?
[18:24] <Morbus> if i'm in a/b/c, and bzr commit, i only want to commit c downwards, not ALL of a/.
[18:27] <Morbus> [[[
[18:27] <Morbus> By default bzr always commits all changes to the tree, even if run from a subdirectory. To commit from only the current directory down, use:
[18:27] <Morbus> % bzr commit .
[18:27] <Morbus> ]]]
[18:27] <Morbus> --http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/bzr-0.8/tutorial.html
[18:27]  * Morbus waves.
[18:43] <hazmat> a nice option on bzr stat would be relative only
[18:43] <hazmat> ie only show paths at or below or the current dir
[18:43] <hazmat> i often copy output of stat into a diff or edit tool
[18:43] <NET||abuse> hey guys. think i'm misunderstanding something here,, i have a project on my local machine, i've been working on it and keeping it versioned in a standalone bzr repo... now i want to push my work up to the server, from my local copy i just do bzr push bzr+ssh://me@iptoserver/path/to/bzrdir
[18:44] <NET||abuse> then on the remote server i do bzr up in bzrdir  and it says
[18:44] <NET||abuse> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///path/to/bzrdir"
[18:44] <NET||abuse> sorry,,, add   to the ned     /.bzr/checkout/
[18:45] <NET||abuse> how come i can't checkout to a working copy on the remote server?
[19:52] <jam> hazmat: 'bzr status .' ?
[19:53] <hazmat> jam that still reports path relative to the repo root
[19:53] <hazmat> i'd like it to report paths relative to the current directory
[19:53] <jam> sure, but it only gives the output of that subdir
[19:53] <hazmat> so i can actually use the paths it reports
[19:53] <hazmat> right now i've got to mangle all the paths to be offset relative to my current location
[20:26] <thrope> i get a segmentation fault when I try and push to a svn repo: http://pastie.org/744641
[20:27] <thrope> is it supposed to work? i forgot the syntax - dpush, svn push?
[20:28] <thrope> i'd like to push to a new directory
[20:34] <smoser> hi, i'm playing with bzr builddeb. is there a way to do -S with '-sd' getting through to dpkg-genchanges ?
[20:35] <lifeless> builder="debuild -sd"
[20:35] <lifeless> though -v is generally a better way to control that
[20:35] <RenatoSilva> How to rollback the files to a given revision, just to recover a deleted image, then go back to tip?
[20:36] <RenatoSilva> I'm using a standalone tree
[20:36] <smoser> lifeless, how is '-v' (--verbose?) involved ?
[20:36] <lifeless>   -v<sinceversion>         include all changes later than version.
[20:37] <lifeless> same way --builder="debuild -vxyz"
[20:37] <RenatoSilva> Can I checkout an old revision to another directory?
[20:37] <lifeless> RenatoSilva: revert -r xyz FILE; revert FILE;
[20:38] <RenatoSilva> lifeless: no need to commits? ok
[20:40] <RenatoSilva>  ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: htdocs/img/edit-confict.png
[20:40] <RenatoSilva> I guess because the file was deleted
[20:41]  * RenatoSilva did bzr revert -r 87 but thinks he should not
[20:44] <RenatoSilva> ok, got it with bzr checkout