[07:08] <sivang> since when this channel is on?
[07:08] <sivang> :-)
[07:08] <sivang> I just now found about it, where was it annonced?
[07:08] <Kinnison> Umm, it has been here for ages.
[07:08] <abelli> sivang: i think that while we were in mataro' was already here
[07:09] <abelli> Kinnison: ciao
[07:09] <Kinnison> Hi abelli
[07:10] <sivang> eh
[07:10] <sivang> Kinnison: !
[07:11] <Kinnison> laycht ?
[07:11] <abelli> what's?
[07:15] <AoP> Hi guys, does anyone know about problems with Rosetta?
[07:15] <AoP> I can't translate, because everytime I try to save I get a system error
[07:19] <abelli> AoP: i can be wrong, but daf and carlos might be the right persons to look for
[07:21] <AoP> Hm, so there's nothing like a status page or something?
[07:21] <AoP> I'm not to eager to bother them with emails or something
[07:22] <AoP> because I'm quite sure they'll have better things to do than replying
[07:24] <abelli> there should be a bug page
[07:24] <abelli> ...or an entry in bugzilla
[07:25] <abelli> im sorry im not able to help..
[07:26] <AoP> I thank you for trying
[07:26] <AoP> I'll go and try to find some information on this
[07:26] <AoP> See you
[10:23] <sivang> So this is the new rosetta channel?
[10:26] <abelli> i think so
[10:26] <abelli> sivang:
[10:27] <abelli> sivang: LAUNCHPAD's one..
[10:27] <abelli> :))
[10:27] <abelli> good night sivang && everyone
[10:27] <abelli> have a good life
[10:27] <abelli> ciao
[10:28] <sivang> NIGHT abelli
[10:28] <sivang> sorry for caps
[10:28] <abelli> mmm sorry for mine..
[10:28] <abelli> :))


[00:02] <cjwatson> u-k-i-t: There's nothing in the queue as of now, and I didn't see anything from you.  If it doesn't appear in the archives then you should resend.
[00:05] <u-k-i-t> cjwatson: Thanks for the info. Just resent<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:06] <cjwatson> u-k-i-t: Approved
[00:06] <u-k-i-t> Cheers
[12:59] <lool> heya
[13:00] <mandel> lool, hi
[13:00] <lool> stgraber, ogra_, plars: Oy
[13:00] <lool> mandel: hey
[13:00] <mandel> lool, I'm invited, right? :)
[13:00] <plars> hi
[13:01] <lool> mandel: you are  :-)
[13:01] <ogra_> moo
[13:01]  * stgraber waves
[13:02] <lool> ok
[13:02] <lool> so we're missing barry and slangasek who worked late yesterday
[13:02] <lool> GOOD NEWS: system-image with download manager is in!
[13:02] <lool> slangasek and barry tested overnight, I've personally tested this in the morning, and it worked
[13:03] <lool> there are some glitches in the UI now, didrocks broke everything again
[13:03] <lool> barry: hey!
[13:03] <barry> hey!
[13:03] <lool> 15:02 < lool> GOOD NEWS: system-image with download manager is in!
[13:03] <lool> 15:02 < lool> slangasek and barry tested overnight, I've personally tested this in the morning, and it worked
[13:03] <lool> 15:03 < lool> there are some glitches in the UI now, didrocks broke everything again
[13:03] <lool> you dind't miss much
[13:03] <lool> mandel, barry: Thanks for your hard work on thislanding
[13:03] <barry> phew :)
[13:03] <mandel> \o/
[13:03] <lool> now we need to keep an eye on this
[13:03] <didrocks> lool: pfff :p
[13:03] <lool> so didrocks, you have pending changes for progress bar?
[13:04] <lool> barry: didrocks' code doens't seem to get the progress notifications, is that known?
[13:04] <barry> lool: yep.  that'll be one of the critical bugs i'm working on for the next s-i
[13:04] <didrocks> lool: for an intedeterminate state, it's waiting first on getting the current image fixed, but again, it's something that people will not see if the daemon behaves correctly
[13:04] <lool> didrocks updated the code to be async instead of sync when calling into dbus when talking to s-i, which means the button returns immediately which is confusing, but has an update to change this
[13:04] <mandel> and I fixed the 200% issue sin the notifications from the u-d-m and was landed
[13:05] <lool> ok; so next: updated UI code, fixed progress signals, tracking channel aliases, and I'm missing one
[13:06] <lool> manifests
[13:06] <barry> phased updates
[13:06] <lool> and phased udpates, that's hte one I was trying to recall
[13:06] <lool> ok
[13:06] <mandel> lool, I'm concerned about bug #1233435
[13:06] <lool> stgraber: nothing on your side, except we have a major regression in user:group bind-mounts
[13:06] <lool> stgraber: var/lib/usermetrics is root:root in latest image
[13:07] <lool> stgraber: not sure what broke it; the cdimage tarballs are correctly 102:104
[13:07] <mandel> lool, check my last comment in that bug, it seems that we cannot trust the qt libs regarding the state of the network, and that means we might have issues with phones that are performing updates in weak connections
[13:07] <lool> mandel: so that's actually a pretty common use case indeed
[13:08] <mandel> lool, I would expect it to be so
[13:08] <plars> I've had an issue at home for a while, that I haven't seen in the lab, where even though I have wifi set up, sometimes it boots and the default route goes through 3g
[13:08] <plars> maybe related? not sure
[13:08] <mandel> lool, I'm digging to find out what is the exact issues but it seams to be a problem in the QSystenNetworkInfo and QNetworkAccessManager in the images
[13:09] <lool> plars: that's more of an indicator-network / network-manager issue
[13:09] <stgraber> lool: yeah, I'm debugging that right now
[13:09] <lool> mandel: so in any case, there should be definitive timeouts more aggressive than 5 minutes
[13:09] <lool> mandel, barry: Can we make sure at some level that things don't stall for more than 1mn or are retried?
[13:09] <barry> plars: i know slangasek was seeing some weird stuff yesterday related to 3g slowness.  don't know too many details
[13:09] <lool> not from scratch though
[13:10] <lool> mandel: what happens when I'm behind a nocatsplash firewall
[13:10] <mandel> lool, I can try and so something smart
[13:10] <lool> I mean behind a paywall
[13:10] <mandel> lool, hm.. annoying indeed
[13:10] <lool> didrocks: is a cancel download button planned?
[13:11] <didrocks> lool: it's in the UI
[13:11] <didrocks> barry just need to send the progressupdate signal so that it's shown
[13:11] <lool> barry: ok, so given there's a cancel button, perhaps you want to flip back the download on wifi by default bit
[13:11] <didrocks> oh, no, it's a pause
[13:11] <didrocks> if there is something wrong
[13:11] <didrocks> then, there is cancel
[13:11] <didrocks> (like a failure)
[13:11] <lool> barry: but that's low priority anyway
[13:11] <didrocks> but in the spec, it's only pause first
[13:11] <lool> since we're not detecting new OS updates anyway
[13:11] <mandel> lool, I'll take a look at that, but looking at the error with the QNetworkAccessManager::networkAccessible method..
[13:12] <barry> lool: do you mean, download only over wifi?  i think that's the default now
[13:12] <mandel> I'd like to know to who I can bother with this issues, any ideas?
[13:12] <lool> barry, didrocks: Hmm ok, I'm worried that the default user experience might not be what we're looking for, but it's more important that it works solidly
[13:12] <lool> barry: ok
[13:12] <lool> mandel: ok
[13:13] <mandel> barry, lool don't trust that default, I'm not longer trusting QNetworkSystemInfo
[13:13] <mandel> at least until I test it with a nexus 4
[13:13] <lool> mandel: you're no longer trusting Qt it seems  :-)
[13:13]  * barry nods
[13:13] <mandel> lool, some parts of qt :)
[13:13] <lool> hmm I thought i had invited folks for status of upgrade tests
[13:13] <mandel> lool, the ugly ones I'm hiding from other developers
[13:14] <lool> plars: would you be able to cover these?
[13:14] <plars> lool: I don't know anything new on the status of that
[13:14] <lool> plars: ok, what about running tests r/o?  did something change there?
[13:15] <plars> lool: not yet, though the only things we install are the autopilot packages themselves now. I think there were still a few outstanding upstart and/or autopilot issues preventing the click package testing fully
[13:15] <plars> lool: but that's being worked on
[13:15] <lool> ok
[13:16] <plars> lool: hopefully we should have at least some things tested as click packages this week
[13:16] <lool> mandel: so not for 13.10, but I understand we want to do a security review and get QML bindings post-13.10, but nothing else but bug fixes for 13.10; correct?
[13:16] <lool> for now download services is just for system-image, click-scope, click-updater and that's it
[13:17] <mandel> lool, yes, correct
[13:17] <lool> alright, I'm not sure what else we have to cover here
[13:17] <lool> ogra_: anything from you
[13:17] <ogra_> nope
[13:17] <ogra_> trying 5to get us usable images today ... nothing more from me :)
[13:17] <lool> cjwatson: if you happen to be around, would you have an ETA on landing of Ursula's branch to have changelogs of touch images?
[13:18] <cjwatson> lool: No, sorry, I'll see what I can do this week
[13:18] <lool> stgraber, didrocks, barry: I wanted to propose moving right now to URLs for image changelogs from system-image.u.c json's down to UI, and letting the UI display the URL for now, and switch to displaying HTML later
[13:18] <cjwatson> Keeps falling off my list :(
[13:18] <lool> cjwatson: ok, would you think you could tell us the format of URLs in advance?
[13:18] <didrocks> lool: +1
[13:18] <lool> that way we can integrate it through the pipe
[13:18] <cjwatson> lool: Not off the top of my head
[13:19] <barry> lool: i don't think that changes anything in s-i.  we just feed that data through (well, modulo the array-of-dicts qt dbus issue)
[13:19] <lool> cjwatson: Ok; would be nice when you know it to pass it to stgraber so that we start including it in json etc.
[13:19] <lool> stgraber: well, maybe we can provision a fake URL right now
[13:19] <lool> barry: exactly, it avoids the multiple language, large dbus transfer, and the dbus dict issue
[13:20] <barry> lool: so, squash the i18n descriptions?
[13:20] <barry> (that's the only reason why we have to have an array-of-dicts)
[13:20] <cjwatson> It doesn't look like Ursula's branch actually quite finishes hooking it up to publication
[13:20] <lool> stgraber: Hmm why don't we just provision the ~ogra URL for now actually?  that would only show changes from previous image, but that's helpful to test  :-)
[13:20] <barry> and that *would* require changes in s-i
[13:20] <lool> barry: well your insights appreciated on whether we want to do this or not
[13:21] <ogra_> lool, the script runs on my desktop and rsyncs the results ...
[13:21] <ogra_> it might not be reliable (though it was up to now)
[13:21] <lool> ok
[13:21] <lool> not like we'd release with it anyway
[13:21] <ogra_> its fine as interim solution
[13:21] <lool> just trying to show something to users
[13:21] <ogra_> but i wouldnt build services around it
[13:21] <lool> stgraber: your thoughts on URL vs. full description?
[13:21] <stgraber> lool: alright, problem figured out, reading the backlog now :)
[13:22] <barry> lool: i don't think it would be too difficult to change (but probably a bit of fun updating the tests).  it's all a matter of available cycles and priorities.  i guess stgraber and i can discuss spec/server changes
[13:22] <lool> barry: the goal is simplification, if it's a lot of work to change back, then let's not do this
[13:22] <barry> one thought: if we just drop the i18n part of descriptions, it might not be so bad.  i actually don't think we're deploying any i18n descriptions  *anyway*
[13:23] <barry> lool: i'd say if we want to re-enable i18n descriptions later, let's not change it now.  if we're ditching them permanently, then maybe i can squeeze it in
[13:23] <lool> barry: exactly; i18n descriptions wont be there anyway
[13:23] <lool> ok
[13:23] <lool> I think it makes sense to have i18n desc later
[13:23] <lool> in production
[13:23]  * barry nods
[13:24] <barry> i'd rather not churn on this atm
[13:24] <lool> barry: Ok; I'd just want to see some server-side data make it down to the UI, is this hooked up, or should we consider dropping changelogs together?
[13:24] <lool> like, all empty
[13:24] <stgraber> lool: so I think it's a bad idea to require the description field to be a URL because of a limitation in some local libraries, I would rather we stick with what we said back in Oakland, which is that this field is a text field which may contain only a URL in which case the UI is supposed to either link to that or show it in a webkit widget
[13:25] <barry> lool: right now, we don't send the ui *any* descriptions because qt dbus can't handle the data structure.  it's all commented out.
[13:25] <lool> stgraber: sounds good to me
[13:25] <lool> barry: so we're missing serialization of dict to string?
[13:25] <lool> this sounds like json to me
[13:25] <stgraber> lool: also, the path under which the changelogs will appear on cdimage is irrelevant since system-image will have to process those anyway for the diffs, we won't link to cdimage but instead have some /changelogs/... kind of path on system-image (or in the pool)
[13:26] <barry> lool: python can send it; qt apparently can't consume it ;)
[13:26] <didrocks> (can't easily, yeah)
[13:26] <stgraber> barry: so an alternative is to have the UI give you the locale, then you can just return a string
[13:26] <mandel> barry, what data structure?
[13:26] <mandel> barry, I can't believe that...
[13:26] <mandel> 'til I try at least :)
[13:26] <barry> mandel: array of dicts of strings
[13:27] <lool> stgraber: can we start putting some fake server-side data in the images?  like the image number, or just a static string
[13:27] <lool> stgraber: so that we test the full path of descriptions
[13:27] <mandel> barry, aa{ss} ???
[13:27] <barry> mandel: aa{ss}
[13:27] <barry> yep
[13:27] <mandel> barry, let me right an example :)
[13:27] <stgraber> lool: I've been putting something in that field since I first ran the server code ;)
[13:28] <mandel> barry, if I write a sever thar takes it you will take it as it can be done?
[13:28] <lool> I personally think this is a non-problem, we can serialize in JSON between client and UI; it's all in the same image, we can update them together later for something nicer
[13:28] <barry> mandel: that would be great.  please coordinate w/didrocks on that.  for me, it's a simple "uncomment these lines" :)
[13:28] <stgraber> lool: it currently contains the version_detail content
[13:28] <lool> I just want something that takes zero time to write and works  :-)
[13:28] <mandel> didrocks, I'll try to get something for you :)
[13:28] <lool> stgraber: oh cool
[13:28] <stgraber> lool: (and I believe QA currently uses that to figure out what's in the image)
[13:29] <lool> Ok; running out of time
[13:29] <didrocks> mandel: thanks!
[13:29] <didrocks> mandel: basically, all Qt experts in the company told that you need to unmarshmall manually
[13:29] <lool> mandel, barry, didrocks: I'm sure you guys will figure something out; we're running out of time to update system-image and settings though, so let's get this done super soon along the other 13.10 changes   :-)  (no pressure, as usual)
[13:29] <mandel> didrocks, and that is a piece of cake!
[13:29] <lool> ok, any last words?
[13:29] <mandel> didrocks, I'll write the cpp code for you that does it and then copy/paste :)
[13:30] <lool> outside of "arghhh"
[13:30]  * barry was going to use 3g's and 7h's
[13:30] <didrocks> mandel: oh, excellent!
[13:30]  * lool wondered what 3G had to do with this
[13:30] <mandel> why are pirate call pirates? because they arghhh
[13:30] <mandel> sorry I had to say it :)
[13:30] <lool> and 7 hours
[13:30] <didrocks> mandel: sorry, i'm more on the landing side since I'm back, so yeah ;)
[13:30] <lool> alright, thanks all!
[13:30]  * barry says arggghhhhhhh
[13:31] <didrocks> thanks
[13:31] <barry> sorry bad joke
[13:31] <mandel> didrocks, no worries, I'll take care of that
[13:31] <lool> barry: yup, I did get it, but had to reread 3d and 7h multiple times  :-)
[13:31] <barry> :)
[13:31] <lool> bye!
[13:31] <barry> cheers!
[13:32] <mandel> laters o/
[13:32] <mandel> didrocks, I'l ping you asap with an example
[13:32] <didrocks> mandel: excellent!
[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:00] <arosales> o/
[16:01] <adam_g> o/
[16:01] <yolanda> hi
[16:01] <yolanda> shall we start?
[16:01] <yolanda> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
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[16:02] <yolanda> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <yolanda> smoser look at / assign bug 1206872 and bug 1156932
[16:03] <yolanda> smoser *
[16:03] <yolanda> ^
[16:04] <yolanda> anyone has feedback about that?
[16:05] <jamespage> novaclient won't fix that I suspect
[16:06] <jamespage> yolanda, bug 1206872 is not specifically important for server this cycle
[16:06] <jamespage> so I'd skip that
[16:06] <yolanda> so we postpone that?
[16:07] <yolanda> ok , let's continue
[16:07] <yolanda> #topic Saucy Development
[16:07] <yolanda> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[16:08] <yolanda> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:08] <yolanda> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server
[16:08] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1208455
[16:09] <hallyn> smb: ^
[16:10] <yolanda> smb not here, let's continue...
[16:10] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ceph/+bug/1213915
[16:11] <jamespage> still with archive-admins
[16:12] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1199791
[16:12] <jamespage> just pinged one
[16:12] <jamespage> zul, ^^
[16:12] <zul> not done
[16:13] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/keystone/+bug/1223010
[16:13] <yolanda> zul ^
[16:13] <zul> working on it now
[16:13] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagios3/+bug/1231901
[16:15] <yolanda> jamespage ?
[16:15] <jamespage> yolanda, yeah - that popped up last friday
[16:15] <jamespage> rbasak, fyi ^^
[16:15] <jamespage> I'll pick that up this week
[16:15] <rbasak> I hadn't seen that - thanks.
[16:15] <yolanda> ok
[16:15] <jamespage> rbasak, oh - unless you would like to  - feel free
[16:16] <jamespage> it needs a2enmod cgi (which used to happen auto with mpm-prefork)
[16:16] <rbasak> jamespage: I'll put it on my todo and let you know if I get to it first.
[16:16] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/websockify/+bug/1231970
[16:17] <yolanda> zul ^
[16:18] <zul> watiting for release team
[16:18] <yolanda> ok
[16:18] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cliff/+bug/1227167
[16:19] <yolanda> jamespage / smoser ?
[16:19] <zul> that should be fixed already
[16:19] <jamespage> zul, can you check and close the bug if so please
[16:20] <yolanda> zul, i found today that there can be a problem with launchpad branches in python-cliff ?
[16:20] <zul> yolanda: ?
[16:20] <yolanda> ubuntu version was newer than the one downloaded from launchpad
[16:22] <yolanda> zul, python-cliff branch still points to 1.4-1ubuntu1, that is wrong, right?
[16:22] <zul> right
[16:22] <zul> ill have a look
[16:22] <yolanda> cool
[16:22] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/maas/+bug/1227353
[16:23] <jamespage> action for roaksoax on that one
[16:23] <jamespage> roaksoax, please add to a suitable seed
[16:23] <jamespage> (do they need to go on the iso per-chance?)
[16:24] <roaksoax> jamespage: im uploading a new maas package today
[16:24] <jamespage> roaksoax, sounds like you are already on top of it  great!
[16:24] <roaksoax> yep!
[16:24] <roaksoax> next upload should contain a fix
[16:24] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/uvtool/+bug/1228228
[16:25] <rbasak> This is pending a cloud-init upload I think.
[16:25] <rbasak> smoser?
[16:27] <yolanda> ok, let's continue
[16:27] <yolanda> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:27] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-juju-charmhelper2
[16:29] <yolanda> any updates for it?
[16:29]  * jamespage looks
[16:33] <yolanda> shall i continue?
[16:34] <yolanda> jamespage ^
[16:34] <jamespage> its OK
[16:34] <jamespage> only one todo outstanding
[16:35] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-cloud-init
[16:36] <yolanda> smoser ^?
[16:36] <jamespage> yolanda, smoser not around right now
[16:36] <yolanda> next one ...
[16:36] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-juju-2-delivery
[16:37] <jamespage> thats OK
[16:37] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-charms-ha-v2
[16:37] <jamespage> just waiting on final release
[16:38] <jamespage> roaksoax, ^^
[16:38] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-ceph
[16:39] <yolanda> jamespage ^
[16:40] <jamespage> yolanda, aside from the radosgw geo-replication agents ceph is looking good
[16:40] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-qa
[16:41] <jamespage> that looks behind
[16:41] <jamespage> I suspect some items to slip to next release - adam_g?
[16:41] <adam_g> ya
[16:41] <adam_g> ill postpone accordingly now
[16:42] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-havana
[16:43] <jamespage> generally looking OK
[16:43] <yolanda> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-mongodb
[16:43] <jamespage> we have one challenge in that OpenStack Havana and Saucy release on the same day
[16:44] <jamespage> so we will zero-day sru havana into saucy
[16:44] <jamespage> mongodb: not so great
[16:44] <jamespage> we won't make the objective to make main this cycle
[16:44] <yolanda> so this will be postponed?
[16:45] <jamespage> yeah - just did
[16:45] <yolanda> ok
[16:45] <yolanda> let's continue
[16:45] <yolanda> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:45] <caribou> Nothing on my radar this week
[16:45] <yolanda> ok
[16:46] <yolanda> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:46] <psivaa> no updates from us :)
[16:46] <yolanda> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:46] <smb> Hi, I have not really made much progress on the nested kvm issue. Did a bit of drbd8 investigation (bug 1185756) and looked into merging back xen-4.3 from Debian to reduce our delta. But I am a bit distracted at the moment by me moving next week. Which will also cause me not to be joining next weeks meeting.
[16:47] <yolanda> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:47] <rbasak> No updates from me. Any questions?
[16:47] <yolanda> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:48] <yolanda> anything apart from Cloud Summit and next ODS?
[16:49] <yolanda> #topic Open Discussion
[16:49] <rbasak> o/
[16:49] <rbasak> Need to nominate someone to drive ISO testing for 1) our final Saucy server images 2) subsequent releases. And do we need a process for this? See: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/09/30/%23ubuntu-release.html "does anyone have an insight on who is doing signoff for the server images?" --rbasak
[16:49] <rbasak> I'd put that in the agenda but I think you missed it.
[16:49] <rbasak> In the past, we end up with a last minute request from the release manager and scramble to find someone to do the ISO testing and put the results in the tracker.
[16:49] <rbasak> It'd be nice to have this planned in advance.
[16:50] <rbasak> jamespage or smoser: any comments?
[16:51] <jamespage> I'll do it
[16:51] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:51] <yolanda> ok, any more comments?
[16:52] <yolanda> let's finish then...
[16:52] <yolanda> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:52] <yolanda> Next meeting will be on Tue 8th of October
[16:52] <yolanda> chair will be adam_g
[16:52] <yolanda> #endmeeting
[16:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  1 16:53:07 2013 UTC.
[16:52] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-01-16.02.moin.txt
[16:52] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-01-16.02.html
[16:53] <yolanda> bye!
[16:53] <hallyn> thanks :)
[16:59] <arosales> yolanda, thanks for chairing.
[17:00] <yolanda> np
[17:01] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct  1 17:01:39 2013 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:01] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Saucy
[17:01] <jsalisbury> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:01] <jsalisbury> #
[17:01] <jsalisbury> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:01] <jsalisbury> #       'o/' indicates you have something to add (please wait until you are recognized)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[17:01] <sconklin_> o/
[17:01] <cking> \ö
[17:01] <bjf> o/
[17:01] <ppisati> o/
[17:01] <rtg> o/
[17:01] <sforshee> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:02] <ppisati> Nothing new to report this week.
[17:02] <ppisati> ..
[17:02] <henrix> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:02] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:02] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || foundations-1305-arm64-bringup     || 2 work items ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || cking     || foundations-1308-power-measurement || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || smb       || servercloud-s-openstack-hypervisor || 1 work item  ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Saucy Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> The Saucy kernel is currently rebased onto the v3.11.2 upstream stable
[17:03] <ogasawara> kernel.  If any patches need to land in Saucy, they need to be submitted
[17:03] <ogasawara> immediately.  We are currently 2 days away from Ubuntu Kernel Freeze for
[17:03] <ogasawara> Saucy.  Any patches submitted after Kernel Freeze will be subject to our
[17:03] <ogasawara> SRU policy.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 03 - Kernel Freeze (~2 days away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 10 - Final Freeze (~1 week away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Oct 17 - 13.10 Release (~2 weeks away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:03] <jsalisbury> == 2013-10-01 ==
[17:03] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)
[17:04] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (Oct. 1):
[17:04] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Prep
[17:04] <bjf>   * Precise - Prep
[17:04] <bjf>   * Quantal - Prep
[17:04] <bjf>   * Raring  - Prep
[17:04] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <bjf> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  1 17:05:19 2013 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-01-17.01.moin.txt
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-01-17.01.html
[17:05] <cking> thanks jsalisbury


[00:53] <kevin25> hello
[00:53] <kevin25> can i get unbanned from #ubuntu
[00:57] <elky> no.
[01:02] <kevin__> so what do i need to do to get unbanned
[01:03] <bazhang> kevin__, stop coming here every day
[01:03] <kevin__> i need to get back on ubuntu channel please
[01:03] <bazhang> askubuntu.com kevin__
[01:03] <kevin__> please tell me what needs to be done
[01:04] <kevin__> u cannot deny me this channel cause of what u think i did
[01:04] <bazhang> kevin__, coming here every day will not make that happen sooner
[01:04] <kevin__> u dont want me to talk to professionals ive not botherd u for months about this dangit until yesterday i need this now please
[01:07] <kevin__> u give me no choice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:07] <bazhang> ?
[01:15] <IdleOne> kevin__: it is time for you to part this channel, please.
[01:18] <IdleOne> okie dokie
[01:36] <elky> /cs k IdleOne Please do not idleone in #ubuntu-ops ;)
[01:36] <elky> tehehehe
[02:44]  * elky raises an eyebrow at bazhang
[02:45] <bazhang> elky, yes?
[02:46] <elky> just making sure you're around as backup
[02:46] <bazhang> for the misogyny in -ot?
[02:46] <elky> yuh
[04:29] <cryptopsy> you all make me sick
[04:29] <cryptopsy> fuck you
[04:42] <elky> Well that was a nice quick resolution.
[04:47] <bioterror> 2012-01-25 06:18:54     ::      cryptopsy (~cryptopsy@unaffiliated/aborticide) has joined #archlinux
[04:47] <bioterror> same guy
[04:49] <elky> cryptopsy is a loooooooong time issue on the network
[04:50] <bioterror> some people never grow up
[09:40] <knome> how can we set chanserv notify-stuff?
[09:52] <knome> nevermind, that was an xchat issue.
[13:26] <Pici> We probably should setup a factoid for the new resolv.conf behavior.
[13:27] <tsimpson> !resolvconf
[13:27] <ikonia> I was trying to get a document together on it
[13:27] <tsimpson> please update to make it not suck :)
[13:27] <Pici> tsimpson: oh, neat.
[13:27] <ikonia> maybe put it into the ubuntu wiki ?
[13:28] <ikonia> so it's an "official" document
[13:28] <tsimpson> that would be the ideal, but I think it'd be more than a copy+paste
[13:29] <ikonia> totally
[13:29] <ikonia> that's why I was writing on my local machine before formatting
[13:30] <tsimpson> great, once it's up, just change the link over in the factoid
[13:30] <ikonia> tsimpson: is that your page/link currently ?
[13:31] <ikonia> or just a random ones
[13:31] <tsimpson> that's Stéphane Graber's blog
[13:31] <tsimpson> (stgraber)
[13:31] <ikonia> I'm not aware of Stéphane
[13:32] <tsimpson> he works for Canonical, on the foundations team I think
[13:32] <tsimpson> I'm confident in the source material, if that's what you're asking ;)
[13:33] <ikonia> that wasn't where my first question was going....but it was certainly where it would have ended up
[13:33] <tsimpson> I wouldn't have stuck a random link in ubottu anyway
[13:34] <ikonia> no, but good information against solid information is useful to know
[13:34] <ikonia> it's not subjective/someones opinion
[13:34] <ikonia> it's useful to know
[14:00]  * jrib gives up on trying to enforce /away
[15:04] <jrib> tsimpson, Pici: where does one report such things?
[15:04] <Pici> jrib: Either on the ubuntu-website project on launchpad, or into #canonical-sysadmin
[15:04] <tsimpson> both are equally slow ;)
[15:04] <Pici> I looked at the latter first.
[15:07] <jrib> thanks
[16:52] <Joit> ello, since when is "lame" an abused word at ubuntu related channels, or is it only, when one user complain about it, when you use it?
[16:53] <ikonia> Joit: you where asked by a user to stop multiple times
[16:53] <ikonia> the reason she found it offensive was clearly explained
[16:53] <ikonia> you continued to argue it rather than just stopping
[16:53] <Joit> ikonia that was not myquestion
[16:53] <ikonia> you got removed from the channel
[16:54] <Joit> so, if i ask any thing in a channel, when i am often there, other users have to do what i want, because i am famous?
[16:54] <ikonia> Joit: it's not "abused" it's derogatory and inappropriate for the conversation you where having, hence why a user in the channel asked you to stop
[16:54] <Joit> can someone else answer this pls, not Ikonia?
[16:54] <ikonia> not at all
[16:54] <ikonia> a user asked you not to use the phrase "lame" to describe things as she didn't see how it related to a disability and found it offensive
[16:54] <ikonia> you chose to keep trying to argue it rather than just stop using "lame"
[16:54] <Joit> thats a bit one sided ikonia
[16:54] <ikonia> no, it's not
[16:54] <ikonia> I was in the channel watching, hence why I removed you
[16:55] <Joit> its the same, as if i am a channel op, and behave like i want
[16:55] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with it
[16:55] <ikonia> I used the phrase lame also in response to you, maco didn't like it, I stopped and didn't use it again
[16:55] <ikonia> I abided by the request the same as you should have
[16:55] <Joit> i pasted at last only a link from the dictionary, that he can update his knowledge from the definition from the word
[16:56] <ikonia> the definition maco gave was pretty much the same context as your dictionary
[16:56] <Joit> when somenoe says, you are blond, then i dont need to be insulted, because I AM Blond
[16:56] <Pici> We try to respect other users, and the request to not use that word isn't unheard of.
[16:56] <ikonia> and posting the dictionary doesn't change the fact that maco didn't like the word in context to the discussion
[16:56] <ikonia> Joit: that's the point, you where referencing something that wasn't "lame"
[16:57] <Joit> ikonia: that is his personal problem, i know a lot words too, what i dotn want to hear, but have to read often
[16:57] <Joit> i remeber having a similar discussion with handycapped persons too, and they dont feeled bothere
[16:57] <Joit> d
[16:57] <ikonia> that's not going to change anything
[16:57] <Joit> otherwise, it was even fun with them to talk
[16:57] <ikonia> Joit: you're question has been answered
[16:58] <Joit> this answer sounds more like, you did anser it for you, but not for me
[16:58] <Pici> what
[16:58] <Joit> all i see is a abuse from channel op rights
[16:59] <ikonia> I'm sorry you feel that way. Anything else we can help you with ?
[16:59] <Joit> Pici:  her explanation is not really logical, and btw, maco only asked me ONCE not few times
[17:00] <Pici> Joit: Why should anyone need to be asked more than once?
[17:00] <Joit> not the point, but ikonia claimed, he asked me few times, what is not true
[17:01] <Joit> so arguing with false statements is not really the way it should go
[17:01] <ikonia> Joit: sorry, I'll be more clear. You where asked not to use it once, you asked why and you where given a solid description from maco why
[17:01] <ikonia> you then continued
[17:01] <Joit> i did not continue, to use it, i pasted the definition
[17:02] <Pici> why? No one was talking about it anymore.
[17:02] <Joit> thats a big different, in case you dont understand it, and no reeeason to remove someone from the channel
[17:02] <ikonia> how did that change anything ? the user in question made it clear her reasons, a dictionary definition doesn't change that, especially when the definition was pretty much what the user had said
[17:03] <Joit> i was not even so far, to use it further
[17:03] <ikonia> well, you've had it explained for you now, I'm not sure what else you want
[17:03] <Pici> @mark Joit Disagrees with ikonia's kick
[17:04] <ikonia> there we go, it's noted in the logs
[17:04] <Pici> Joit: You're not banned.
[17:04] <Joit> i know, i am actually only here becaus of my first question, but anyhow ikonia can make a drama ith it
[17:05] <Joit> i was actually more about it to ask a neutral question
[17:05] <Joit> but ikonia seems to need to defend ehr first heavy
[17:05] <ikonia> you asked why it was unacceptable, I've explained it
[17:05] <ikonia> there is nothing to defend
[17:05] <Pici> Joit: Did you get the answer to your question, or do you need me to restate it?
[17:06] <Joit> [18:52:59] <Joit> ello, since when is "lame" an abused word at ubuntu related channels, or is it only, when one user complain about it, when you use it?
[17:06] <Pici> Joit: Did you get the answer to your question, or do you need me to restate it?
[17:07] <Joit> Pici: thats not the answer to my question, it actually only looks like an answer, what you wanna give, and you have op rights , som, your opinion as op is right.
[17:08] <Joit> Pici: i told you the example, we did talkw ith handy capped persons in the channel, and they did not feeled bothered
[17:08] <Joit> evewn, why dont you know, if i am not handycapped
[17:08] <Pici> Joit: We try to respect the views of our users. The request to not use the word 'lame' is not unreasonable.
[17:09] <Joit> ok
[17:11] <Joit> seriously, nothing is more hard as to discuss with a women. BUT I did NOT look at someone or call a name :P
[17:12] <maco> oh sexism as well?
[17:12] <Pici> Joit: You don't need to be handicapped or a minority or whatever to be offended by words that can be used in a derogatory manner.  And while 'lame' has somewhat entered the general lexicon, I think it would be rude to continue to use it if someone requested that that I stop.
[17:13] <Pici> And I have no idea why you needed to bring gender into this.
[17:16] <lars__> Hello!
[17:16] <lars__> ikonia:
[17:16] <lars__> Why am I banned?=
[17:16] <ikonia> lars__: you know you are banned from #ubuntu due to your past behaviour, I can't discuss this now, so please just leave
[17:16] <lars__> Yes i know
[17:16] <ikonia> ok - bye then
[17:16] <lars__> but i want to be unban
[17:17] <ikonia> Pici: Joit apologies for interupting
[17:17] <Pici> Joit: Is there anything else?
[17:17] <Joit> pici, well you answered at last the question simple
[17:18] <Joit> but ikonia for what i appologize, or for what i dont, leave that by me, and dont put me words into my mouth pls
[17:18] <ikonia> what ?
[17:19] <maco> Joit: ikonia was apologizing to you for the interruption with lars
[17:19] <maco> ikonia's client just puts the : automatically after the first person whose nick is completed
[17:19] <Joit> ah, i now see that
[17:20] <Joit> ikonia:  then its no problem you should can discuss with 2, i can kinda multitask, so no excuse neded by me
[17:20] <Joit> ok, lets then end no the discussion, i have other things to do too
[17:21] <Joit> at last, where do i fill a bug for klipper, :P thats not at the ubuntu bug tracker
[17:21] <Joit> lets then end this discussion*
[17:21] <ikonia> you use the ubuntu bug tracker as I told you
[17:21] <Joit> klipper is kde related?
[17:22] <Joit> thought its maybe better to write directly at kde
[17:22] <ikonia> ok, then kde.org
[17:22] <Joit> well, i may try it. Bye
[17:22] <ikonia> bye
[17:23] <maco> btw, in kubuntu we do prefer people go directly to kde
[17:23] <ikonia> noted
[17:24] <maco> there are waaaay not enough people in kubuntut to handle all the bug reports
[17:24] <ikonia> yes, I can see that would be a problem
[17:34] <Pici> sorry, was talking to one of my coworkers, wasn't sure if you needed me here.
[17:35] <Pici> and I guess not.
[17:44] <Fuchs> Pici: minor sidenote, alteregoa is one of the few forever guests on the #ubuntu-de* ban list
[17:47] <Pici> Fuchs: He has a history here too.
[17:47] <Pici> I'm sort of waiting for an excuse to ban him again.
[17:47] <Fuchs> not a big surprise, I thought I might inform you guys anyway
[17:47] <Fuchs> *and gals
[18:38] <yano> i got a message from ubottu about 'reviewing' a ban, is it expecting a response from me? (the link it provides is dead, ie: it just says come in here)
[18:39] <Myrtti> if you marked it with eir, it's fine
[18:39] <Myrtti> ubottu pulls the information from eir
[18:39] <Myrtti> yes yes, shush you stupid bot
[18:39] <yano> hm, i'll check with eir, as i can't really remember
[18:41] <yano> hm, eir doesn't have a match of the hostmask for the given ubuntu room
[18:41] <oCean> yano: eirid 36464
[18:42] <yano> that's a different ban i set than the one ubottu is bugging me about
[18:43] <oCean> oh, most likely.  Thanks. <GuShH> The user is "kevinisexploiter"
[23:11] <elky> yano, what was he doing?
[23:12] <yano> mostly talking in caps after being told to stop and ranting on about foxconn
[23:14] <elky> cute
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> Hello ops can you add the daily http to the #ubuntu+1 channel messages.


[01:08] <Volkard> Hello hello.
[01:34] <azend|vps_>  hello
[02:06] <BobJonkman> Hello!
[02:06] <BobJonkman> Hey azend|vps_ I've got a small stack of Ubuntu DVDs for you
[02:06] <azend|vps_> w00t!
[02:07] <BobJonkman> For those Ubuntu Hours in Guelph.
[02:07] <BobJonkman> Remember them?
[02:07] <azend|vps_> BobJonkman: thanks
[02:07] <azend|vps_> we have to get those up and running again
[02:07] <BobJonkman> :)
[02:07] <azend|vps_> BobJonkman: haha, yes
[02:07] <BobJonkman> I'm in
[02:07] <BobJonkman> Let me know when
[02:07] <BobJonkman> I'm not planning a KW Ubuntu Hour this month, so that would be idea
[02:07] <BobJonkman> ideal
[02:07] <azend|vps_> kk
[02:08] <azend|vps_> I've been busy not looking at explosions >.>
[02:08] <azend|vps_> http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-story/4490334-no-one-injured-in-house-fire-west-of-downtown-guelph/
[02:08] <BobJonkman> Whoa. Close to your place?
[02:08] <azend|vps_> it was my place
[02:08] <azend|vps_> I was the only person home
[02:09] <BobJonkman> Yow!!
[02:10] <azend|vps_> I need to just set up meets a year at a time
[02:10] <BobJonkman> Is your place habitable tonight?
[02:11] <azend|vps_> not even close
[02:11] <azend|vps_> We'll be out of the house for at least a year
[02:11] <BobJonkman> Wow...
[02:11] <azend|vps_> lost everything except the phone in my pocket
[02:11] <BobJonkman> Oh, wow...
[02:11] <azend|vps_> and my cats
[02:12] <azend|vps_> I rescued the cats
[02:12] <BobJonkman> Good.
[02:12] <BobJonkman> Where are you staying tonight?
[02:13] <azend|vps_> We were in a hotel for a while but now we're renting a home
[02:13] <azend|vps_> problem is my family is barely eating because the kitchen is having active renovations
[02:13] <azend|vps_> :/
[02:13] <BobJonkman> OK.  I thought this happened today
[02:13] <azend|vps_> no
[02:13] <azend|vps_> about a month and a half ago now
[02:14] <BobJonkman> The article sez "Tuesday" and "rain", which applies to today too
[02:15] <azend|vps_> ah true :)
[02:15] <BobJonkman> That's what I get for skimming
[02:17] <azend|vps_> BobJonkman: what are you up to these days?
[02:18] <BobJonkman> Not much, sadly. Doing some presentations and an installfest for the Bits&Bytes computer club, but that's not a paying gig
[02:18] <BobJonkman> Really whets my appetite to do more teaching, tho
[02:19] <BobJonkman> Some small work on a couple of web sites (build one, repair another)
[02:20] <BobJonkman> Haven't got my bike out of the basement yet, so I'm feeling lethargic and old
[02:23] <azend|vps_> I'm surprised
[02:24] <azend|vps_> weather is warm again
[02:24] <azend|vps_> I assume you teach the windows 8 class there?
[02:24] <BobJonkman> Never really cooled down here. Storm blew through, no drop in temp
[02:25] <BobJonkman> No, I don't teach any of the paid courses there
[03:31] <Volkard> where is everyone from?
[03:52] <azend|vps_> Volkard: I'm from Guelph
[03:53] <azend|vps_> you?


[01:48] <h00k> OvenWerks: I just tried it, live, on a different machine and got the same results
[01:48] <h00k> I might try Ubuntu and install the studio things on top, the RT or low latency kernel, and see that happens
[01:50] <h00k> Or maybe I go one version older.
[02:05] <MackHoncho> Hello UbuntuStuds. Is  this worth it?
[02:08] <MackHoncho> I like that its free and I like linux for all the reasons you all do... but I could afford to pay for software and I am really more into just making music than going on a configuration quest... How much maintenance is involved to keep workflows stable? Will I be spending more time trouble shooting "learning" than creating?
[02:37] <OvenWerks> MackHoncho: I can't speak about macos (never having bought one), but every time My wife has gotten a windows box she has been determined to leave windows on it.... for about a week before she comes and says "put what you have on here". I would rather pay for software for linux than run free software on windows.... perhaps that is why your car (and mine) use linux in their onboard computers. (I
[02:37] <OvenWerks> looked through the on screen licencing)
[02:40] <OvenWerks> h00k: somethings wierd with that. By same results I take it you mean that jackd runs instead of jackdbus?
[02:47] <h00k> OvenWerks: meaning audio tanks whenever Jack is started, via jackdbus
[02:48] <h00k> Well, or any method 🙃
[02:50] <OvenWerks> well, if you are talking the studio iso, starting jackdbus should auto bridge pulse to jack and connect to system:playback_1/2
[02:50] <OvenWerks> however starting jackd will not do that
[02:53] <OvenWerks> in all of the tests we have done with your system the pastes you have shown show jackd being used.
[03:32] <MackHoncho> OvenWerks: I'm with ya on the Micro-Apple aversion, If I had more time and a larger brain I'd never leave my rooted Pixel book. Ubuntu over ChromeOs is digital bliss... BUT due to the aforementioned lack of time and mental capacity I keep a windows machine on hand for convenience sake. I can and have run wine and virtual machines for programs I'm
[03:32] <MackHoncho> forced to use but, lets face it, performance is laggy and the set ups break.
[03:38] <MackHoncho> OvenWerks: Part of the draw of Linux is the learning aspect. It fact it is much more of a learning experience than a computing experience for a great many people.... I guess my question is this: Whats that ratio going to be here? Will most things just work or am I going to need to hire a tutor? I don't want to be that help vampire newbie
[03:40] <OvenWerks> MackHoncho: it depends on what you want to do. Browsing is a no brainer as is most office jobs, making documents spead sheets etc.
[03:40] <MackHoncho> OvenWerks I want to use Ubuntu Studio to make music
[03:41] <OvenWerks> My wife bugs me very little for this reason (she asks more about her wording when writing)
[03:41] <OvenWerks> When it comes to making music:
[03:41] <OvenWerks> there are a number of things I need to explain about my particular background to put things in context.
[03:42] <MackHoncho> Please do
[03:43] <OvenWerks> My training was in broadcast electronics in the analog days and my music through the 80s and 90s at least was all analog with tape. The only computer use at all was a sequencer because it allowed me to take one tape track (out of 8) and run another 16 virtual tracks
[03:44] <OvenWerks> so my sequencer use was similar to a tape machine... midi was just another recording medium.
[03:45] <MackHoncho> ... limited only by imagination and a lack of an ocean of distracting plugins
[03:45] <MackHoncho> and now?
[03:46] <OvenWerks> the second thing is that I have never used windows anything realy, at least around home. I started with DRDos, went from there to OS/2 and when the cost of a driver for my $50 enther net cad was going to be some hundreds of dollars, I started using linux.
[03:47] <OvenWerks> The only windows I got to know at all was NT which one of our machines at work used for production (reading the address on a mail sorting machine)
[03:47] <OvenWerks> and we installed that NT using.... Linux.
[03:47] <OvenWerks>  :)
[03:48] <OvenWerks> So I really have nothing to compare to.
[03:48] <OvenWerks> I still use digital audio like a tape machine and no longer need a sequencer cause I have as many tracks as I want already.
[03:49] <MackHoncho> Do you use Ubuntu Studio?
[03:49] <OvenWerks> So using something like jack with ardour is "simple" without any real learning curve because it models the analog equipment I was already using
[03:49] <OvenWerks> yes
[03:50] <MackHoncho> You missed nothing when you skipped windows....
[03:52] <OvenWerks> when I had OS/2 I was running a BBS (pre internet) and had a friend who did as well but on windows. He had his hooked up to a timer that powered it off and on once a day so he could come back from holidays to a working machine... he had two lines and when the second one started to also download the forst went to half speed, OS/2 have none of those problems
[03:53] <MackHoncho> And I now realize you have never (really) been a novice. You evolved with the systems. For someone to jump into this fresh off the boat... its intimidating and genuinely difficult. We have to ask ourselves, "Am I smart enough to do this? Do I have the time it is going to take to become proficient? How hard will it be to get the help I need? How
[03:53] <MackHoncho> good is the documentation?
[03:53] <OvenWerks> in many ways Studio follows what I would want on a music machine... plus a lot more. There is a lot of stuff I never really use.
[03:54] <OvenWerks> That is why I gave some history :)
[03:54] <OvenWerks> I realize that my experience is unique
[03:55] <OvenWerks> I have worked on Ardour software wise as well as creating some of the software in ubuntustudio
[03:56] <OvenWerks> The documentation is not as good as it could be.
[04:24] <OvenWerks> MackHoncho: I think I got netsplitted out.
[04:25] <MackHoncho> Oh, welcome back... did you get my last reply?
[04:26] <OvenWerks> not sure I don't see anything after help from the web
[04:27] <MackHoncho> Thats all... quick question before I begin this journey, Any idea why this fresh install might be losing my keyboard from time to time? Im on a new laptop
[04:27] <OvenWerks> no I don't know.
[04:28] <OvenWerks> during install or after wards?
[04:28] <OvenWerks> That is, is the device so busy that it doesn't have time to read the keyboard?
[04:29] <MackHoncho> after. Install was cake. Had no problems except the system loses the keyboard from time to time. Log off then back on and its fixed...
[04:29] <MackHoncho> No I dont see how. Have an I7 with 32 gig of ram. Studio is fully installed to disk
[04:30] <OvenWerks> yeah that seems unlikely
[04:31] <MackHoncho> Thats off topic anyway sir, I'll figure it out. Do you spend much time here? I feel encouraged that if I run into an actual Studio problem I would find expert help here
[04:32] <OvenWerks> I sort of camp out here. I don't always watch what is going on but I do post answers when I can... it may be a few minutes or a few hours :)
[04:33] <MackHoncho> Perfectly acceptable! Until next time, goodnight
[19:11] <flies> Hi, I hope I've found the correct channel for support questions
[19:12] <flies> I'm having trouble getting my venerable MOTU 828 mkii to play nice
[19:13] <flies> I can get sound out through headphones, but none of the other outputs are doing anything, including the main out
[19:17] <flies> I should've mentioned that it's a firewire interface


[02:25] <Burgwork> Seveas, you awake?
[02:26] <Burgwork> Seveas, never mind
[09:44] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: do you have any "new computer user intros"
[09:44] <Burgundavia> ie, someone who has never touched a computer before and they are sitting before an Ubuntu/Edubuntu computer?
[09:44] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: not that i can think of :/
[09:45] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i do have some docs, but i didn't write them and they're a bit dodgy
[09:45] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: but if you'd like to look at them i could send them to you (or at least a link)
[09:46] <Burgundavia> I am looking at creating/modifying some as part of this project I am working on
[10:31] <pips1> highvolt1ge, hi
[10:32] <highvolt1ge> yo pips1
[10:32] <pips1> do you need to rush off in a min? ;-)
[10:34] <highvolt1ge> pips1: hehe. strangely enough. not! :)
[10:34] <pips1> good
[10:34] <pips1> :-)
[10:35] <highvolt1ge> pips1: got the username/passwd?
[10:35] <pips1> yes, thanks
[10:35] <pips1> do you want to discuss via jabber?
[10:37] <pips1> highvolt1ge, I am testing some modules for drupal and making notes as I go along
[10:37] <pips1> (on my local test machine)
[10:38] <pips1> at some point, I was thinking of putting up some points on a wiki page, so we can discuss certain ideas, what do you think?
[10:40] <highvolt1ge> pips1: yes, i'm here, just multitasking :)
[10:40] <highvolt1ge> pips1: i think that's a good idea, it makes it easier for others to contribute too
[10:41] <pips1> yep!
[10:43] <pips1> highvolt1ge, multitasking can be a drag... it's nice when one can focus on one thing. Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury all the time... It seems that you are always busy with several things, eh?
[10:45] <pips1> highvolt1ge, I'd like to discuss a few basic things with you, maybe we can make an "official" appointment without interruptions, maybe next week, what do you think?
[10:45] <pips1> darn!
[10:45] <pips1> all those timeouts, too :-/
[10:46] <enyc> aoeuidhtns!
[10:49] <pips1> enyc, you on dvorak keyboard layout?
[10:49] <enyc> pips1: ',.pyfgcrl aoeuidhtns ;qjkxbmwvz  ;-)
[10:50] <pips1> abh
[10:50] <pips1> bah
[10:51] <JaneW> we need edubuntu testers for flight 5 please
[10:51] <JaneW> *please*
[10:51] <enyc> I thought.... flight-5 was going to be beta-1
[10:51] <enyc> ?
[10:51] <enyc> Ill do what I can ;-)
[10:52] <enyc> but I want to know whats going on ;-)
[10:52] <JaneW> it's being built pretty much now
[10:52] <enyc> but I want to know if the ltsp etc. terminal services does sound-over-network ;-)
[10:52] <enyc> do you have separate flight releases to ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu ??
[10:53] <pips1> JaneW, last release, I only tested workstation install, this time, I'll try to test a server - thin client setup...
[10:54] <pips1> JaneW, I tried with flight4 without much success
[10:55] <JaneW> enyc: we will have one release announcement with links to the diff distro specifics
[10:55] <pips1> enyc, how long did it take you to learn dvorak?
[10:56] <enyc> pips1: errrrm
[10:56] <enyc> pips1: well...
[10:56] <enyc> pips1: bear in mind ive qwerty'ing since before I can remember ;-)
[10:56] <enyc> pips1: and never learnt proper typing tochnique as suct
[10:57] <pips1> enyc, same here.. oh, no, I learnt to touch time in secondary school...
[10:57] <enyc> pips1: and got achey-fingers and so-on
[10:57] <highvoltage> pips1: yep
[10:57] <pips1> enyc, yeah, my wrists are starting to kill me and thus I'm also considering learning dvorak...
[10:57] <enyc> pips1: erm... 2 weeks of frustration
[10:57] <enyc> pips1: and months of getting used to it ;-)
[10:57] <enyc> pips1: with lots of mental effort ;-)
[10:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: i've tested about everything i can in flight4, i'm hungry for new edubuntu to test!
[10:58] <enyc> pips1: but now ith doesn't annoy me
[10:58] <enyc> and the re-leaning and the better-layout means I have got rid of my achey-finger problem
[10:58] <pips1> enyc, good to hear you got on top of it!
[10:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool stay tuned
[10:58] <enyc> pips1: but it took me a long_time
[10:58] <pips1> enyc, that's good encouragement, though
[10:58] <enyc> and im not as fost as my original qwerty'ing
[10:58] <enyc> but I can still use qwerty
[10:58] <JaneW> pips1: hopefully you'll have more luck with flight 5
[10:59] <enyc> JaneW: somebody I spoke to on #ubuntu+1 said the next prerelease would likely be 'beta-1' not 'flight-5'
[11:00] <pips1> enyc, is touch_time that program that forces you to pause in intervals?
[11:00] <enyc> pips1: I dont know
[11:00] <enyc> pips1: thats something you mentioned ;-)
[11:01] <enyc> ;-)
[11:01] <pips1> ah!
[11:01] <pips1> lol
[11:01] <pips1> touch type
[11:02] <JaneW> enyc: look I am speaking to the guy building the thing, and they are calling it flight 5
[11:02] <JaneW> so *whatever*
[11:02] <enyc> pips1: in short, the dvorak sayout _is_ better but its a lot of work to learn... and your problems may just be due to incorrect tochnique ;-)
[11:02] <enyc> JaneW: k ;-)
[11:02] <JaneW> :P
[11:03] <enyc> JaneW: it doesn't really matter ;-)
[11:03] <JaneW> enyc: it's Mithrandir and infinty - feel free to argue about it with them ;)
[11:03] <pips1> highvolt1ge, I'd like to discuss a few basic things with you, maybe we can make an "official" appointment without interruptions, maybe next week, what do you think?
[11:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: can you confirm or deny rumours that dapper+1 is called edgy?
[11:03] <JaneW> neither
[11:03] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, any evening would be fine
[11:04] <pips1> what's evening for you (in UTC please) ;-)
[11:04] <pips1> enyc, where in uk?
[11:05] <enyc> pips1: in Swindon at the moment
[11:08] <pips1> JaneW, I hope I get the server - thin client working with flight5... I'm not an total newb, but some stuff about networking is still over my head...
[11:10] <pips1> highvoltage, how about next monday evening, 5 pm UTC?
[11:10] <highvoltage> JaneW: planning to come to 12plein next week?
[11:10] <highvoltage> that's.... 7pm my time.
[11:10] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, perfect.
[11:11] <pips1> highvoltage, ok, it's an appointment!
[11:11] <highvoltage> pips1: cool :)
[11:11] <pips1> :)
[11:11] <enyc> pips1: ?pips1 in UK?
[11:11] <pips1> switzerland
[11:12] <enyc> pips1: kk ;-)
[11:49] <enyc> moo de beep
[11:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: yeah I guess
[11:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: I need to collect my headset
[11:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: give me a heads-up, and i'll install an edubuntu machine, if you want to check it out
[12:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok, great :)
[12:10] <highvoltage> pips1: the basic site is fixed now :)
[12:10] <highvoltage> pips1: we now have a default site with spreadfirefox that works
[12:10] <highvoltage> pips1: i had to re-install drupal, the one the was on was 4.5.7 :/
[12:10] <highvoltage> pips1: but now we're on 4.6.5
[12:10] <highvoltage> pips1: will give you more of an update later...
[12:34] <pips1> highvoltage, good news!
[12:40] <highvoltage> pips1: erm... bad news...
[12:40] <highvoltage> :)
[12:40] <highvoltage> pips1: the old database didn't work so nicely with the new version
[12:41] <highvoltage> pips1: znarl is going to re-create the database, and then i'll populate it with the new version
[12:41] <highvoltage> pips1: either way, our biggest problems have been sorted out
[12:41] <highvoltage> :)
[01:14] <pips1> highvolt1ge, thanks for keeping me posted :-)
[01:18] <highvolt1ge> pips1: no problemo, we'll have the db working and populated before the end of the weekend :)
[01:27] <pips1> highvolt1ge, once the basic setup is done (drupal-out-of-the-box), we'll discuss what add-ons (modules) to use. We can make a start to discuss this on monday eve. There are one or two decisions that best need to be decided early on, to avoid headaches that come with disabling and re-jigging stuff later (I'll hope to explain this better on monday)
[01:30] <highvolt1ge> pips1: ok :)
[01:44] <ogra> highvolt1ge, the script only checks if SOUND is filled with *anything* :)
[01:45] <highvolt1ge> ogra: aaah, so "SOUND = false" would also start it? :)
[01:46] <ogra> yes :)
[01:47] <ogra> i need to fix that i guess :)
[01:47] <highvolt1ge> heh. that might be confusing fos someone trying to disable sound.
[01:47] <ogra> just dont set it
[01:47] <highvolt1ge> are there other lts.conf tags that work the same?
[01:47] <ogra> no need to disable it explicitly
[01:47] <highvolt1ge> i realise that.
[01:48] <highvolt1ge> from an end-user perspective, they might set it to "n" or to "false", if it was previously set, and they want to disable it.
[01:48] <ogra> yep
[02:33] <iGotNoTime> Is it normal for mounted drives to become unmounted on reboot?
[02:33] <iGotNoTime> I mean it would be no big deal me if I could remember the steps each time
[02:34] <iGotNoTime> But this is the 4th time my drives are not showing up again
[02:40] <ogra> remove the "noauto" in their fstab line and they are mounted on boot
[02:42] <ogra> JaneW, ping
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: pong (on phone to flint)
[02:45] <ogra> hahaha
[02:45] <JaneW> don't laugh!
[02:45] <ogra> argh
[02:45] <ogra> the install CD is broken
[02:45] <JaneW> NO!
[02:46] <ogra> damned, yesterdays worked
[02:46] <JaneW> bugger - what can we do?
[02:46] <iGotNoTime> why is noauto in the line?
[02:47] <ogra> JaneW, i need to upload a ned edubuntu-meta or a new ltsp package
[02:47] <ogra> *new
[02:47] <iGotNoTime> that makes as much sense as disabling all video cards on boot ?
[02:47] <ogra> ldm isnt on the CD apparently ... THISGODAMMNEDDEBIANCRAP !
[02:47] <iGotNoTime> LOL
[02:48] <JaneW> ogra: so can we fix it?
[02:49] <ogra> JaneW, sure if nobody uploads anything during the day
[02:53] <iGotNoTime> anyone here use * ?
[02:54] <crimsun> EPARSE
[02:54] <ogra> JaneW, my problem is, if the archive freeze is over, the CD will break again ... so we need to be fast ...
[02:54] <iGotNoTime> Asterisk * ?
[03:06] <JaneW> ogra: ok phone call over, what can I do?
[03:06] <ogra> nothing
[03:06] <ogra> i pushed the seedchange ...
[03:07] <ogra> now i have to wait 20 min until the change shows up here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/server
[03:07] <ogra> then i can fix the metapackage and upload it ....
[03:07] <ogra> then we have to wait 2h until the package hits the archive
[03:07] <ogra> then i have to build a new iso
[03:07] <enyc> moo de beep
[03:08] <ogra> then i have to download 3 isos again ...
[03:08] <enyc> ?what is the 'seedchange'?
[03:08] <ogra> test and approve them ...
[03:08] <ogra> then its 7am and we have flight 5
[03:08] <enyc> wooot!
[03:08] <enyc> ;-)
[03:09] <enyc> so... flight-5 to be fossowed by beta-1-at-a-later-date ?
[03:09] <ogra> enyc, seeds are the lists of packages we genereate packages like edubuntu-desktop from
[03:09] <JaneW> ogra: ouch
[03:09] <enyc> ogra: hrrmmm... like dependant-packages etc. ;-)
[03:09] <ogra> JaneW, YES
[03:09] <ogra> JaneW, i tested the full set two days ago and all was fine ...
[03:10] <JaneW> why does this always happen before the flights? :(
[03:10] <ogra> no idea
[03:10] <ogra> last flight was the worst ...
[03:10] <crimsun> better to have "bad" luck now and great luck for final
[03:10] <ogra> with the buildds on and off all the time
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: can anyone help you?
[03:12] <enyc> I remember pointing out that 'ubuntu-standard' (or something similar) for breezy had a silly duplicate-dependancy on bind9-host (already dependand on dnsutils) and why this was sillyy ... and Matt_Zimmerman said 'I've made the appropriate changes to the seed;'
[03:12] <ogra> JaneW, anyway, do we have an announcement prepared ?
[03:12] <JaneW> or speed things up etc?
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: erk, no!
[03:13] <ogra> nobody can speed it up ... sadly ...
[03:13] <JaneW> lmao - look what I found.. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/flint
[03:14] <enyc> So... the seed... is a database that is used to autogenerate  metapackages ?
[03:14] <ogra> its a bzr archive ...
[03:14] <ogra> these are the edubuntu seeds: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-dapper/
[03:15] <ogra> i'm waiting for ldm to show up in the server seed now ...
[03:15] <ogra> JaneW, did you add the text :P ?
[03:15] <enyc> bzr ??
[03:16] <ogra> a versioning system ... like cvs ir svn ... the tool we use for all ubuntu/edubuntu development
[03:16] <enyc> kk
[03:16] <ogra> s/ir/or/
[03:17] <JaneW> ogra: no ;)
[03:17] <JaneW> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuFlight5Announcement
[03:18] <enyc> Woot ... serial mouse support works out of the box (e.g. older machines as thinclients ??)
[03:18] <ogra> yep
[03:18] <JaneW> ok that pages needs to be editted!
[03:18] <ogra> not out of the box though
[03:18] <ogra> but very easy to set up
[03:19] <JaneW> so far it;s flight 4 announcement with the 4's turned into 5s
[03:19] <enyc> Aah ok
[03:19] <enyc> JaneW: ;-)
[03:19] <JaneW> ogar: so what's new..?
[03:19] <ogra> JaneW, i guess i'll have much time while watching boring installs
[03:19] <ogra> not much
[03:20] <ogra> most noticeable is that the bug that made you run ltsp-update-sshkeys after install is gone
[03:20] <ogra> all other stuff are bugfixes that wont be massively seen by users
[03:21] <ogra> and a lot of debian features were merged (one of them is the reason why i have to rebuild the CD )
[03:22] <enyc> ooh... what debian features ;-) ?
[03:22] <JaneW> yay to item one
[03:22] <enyc> What would be useful is a list of things to test and look-out-for  in flight5 testing ;-)
[03:22] <ogra> yeah ...
[03:23] <ogra> currently all thats intresting is if the install finishes properly ... :)
[03:23] <enyc> kk
[03:23] <ogra> but you are right, i'll make a list
[03:23] <JaneW> ogra: I strippped the announcement a bit more
[03:23] <enyc> ill have a go when I can ;-)
[03:23] <ogra> ok
[03:23] <JaneW> ogra: TY
[03:23] <JaneW> ping if you need me
[03:23] <ogra> will do
[03:23] <JaneW> or phone like flint does ;)
[03:24] <enyc> ''Edubuntu Flight 5, the 4th milestone CD'' -- ?is this right?
[03:24] <ogra> nope
[03:24] <ogra> its the 5th indeed :)
[03:24] <ogra> good catch, feel free to edit it
[03:24] <enyc> ERROR in JaneW ;-)
[03:25] <ogra> get one ;)
[03:25] <enyc> Can I be 'enyc' ? ;-)
[03:25] <ogra> sure, why not
[03:25] <JaneW> fixed
[03:26] <ogra> thanks :)
[03:26] <enyc> ''Your registration URL has been sent to''  [...]
[03:30] <ogra> Accepted edubuntu-meta 0.60 (source)
[03:31] <ogra> there we go
[03:31] <ogra> now 2h of waiting
[03:31] <enyc> ogra: so what does the 'Given Name' 'Family Name'  do?
[03:31] <enyc> it has 'Display Name' too...
[03:31] <ogra> first name last name and the nick you want to be seen as
[03:32] <enyc> ogra: so... ?what does the first/last _do_ in lanchpad  if a 'Display Name' has been given?
[03:33] <ogra> you dont need to fill the given and family names ...
[03:33] <enyc> Well fine... I just wanted to know what those _did_ ;-)
[03:34] <ogra> the display name will be the name youre shown with to the public
[03:34] <enyc> yes... and tho other 2 do ... ?
[03:34] <ogra> no idea  ... they are there :)
[03:34] <enyc> kk ;-)
[03:34] <enyc> thx ;-)
[03:34] <ogra> i dont think they do anything, but i'm not sure :)
[03:35] <enyc> kk no matter ;-)
[03:38] <spacey> enyc: yeah same
[03:38] <enyc> spacey: aoeuidhtns! ;-)
[03:38] <spacey> but i haven' been in #adamantix for a long time
[03:38] <spacey> so what are you doing here :P
[03:39] <enyc> no matter ;-)
[03:39] <ogra> building flight 5
[03:39] <spacey> enyc: anyway i remember you :P
[04:05] <freeflying> ogra: ping
[04:06] <ogra> freeflying, pong
[04:06] <ogra> freeflying, did you talk to JaneW ?
[04:06] <freeflying> ogra: I can not take part in the i18n sprint ,due to the visa
[04:06] <ogra> gah, ok
[04:07] <freeflying> ogra: and told her
[04:07] <freeflying> :)
[04:08] <freeflying> a guy from kongkong will go , and he also familiar with scim stuff
[04:08] <freeflying> s/kongkong/hongkong
[04:08] <ogra> ah, cool
[04:08] <ogra> gald we have someone :)
[04:08] <ogra> *glad
[04:09] <freeflying> ogra: we can do what we can in irc
[05:37] <ogra> JaneW, gah, we need to rework all artwork, the new ubuntu colors look horrible with our colors
[05:37] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[05:38] <ogra> this strange apricot for window frames and selected items makes me want to vomit in compyny with our wallpaper
[05:39] <jsgotangco> ogra, http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/110500695/
[05:39] <ogra> edubuntu ?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:40] <ogra> cool ! :)
[05:40] <jsgotangco> this was during the conference today
[05:40] <jsgotangco> they had 2 labs with edubuntu for the workshops
[05:40] <jsgotangco> for a conference down south, that is impressive
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ogra, gahhh this ubuntulooks look horrible for gartoon
[05:43] <ogra> yeah
[05:43] <ogra> we need to change the gtkrc and get back sane colors
[05:43] <ogra> (i'll just switch back to the human ones)
[05:43] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:47] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[05:47] <jsgotangco> ciao
[09:19] <Petaris> ogra: Which local apps were you using on the clients?
[09:22] <ogra> Petaris, local apps are not officially supported yet
[09:23] <Petaris> right, but you said that you were running some right?
[09:23] <ogra> nope
[09:23] <Petaris> I want to play with it for my server rebuild this summer
[09:23] <Petaris> oh
[09:23] <ogra> i guess you mix me up with highvoltage
[09:23] <Petaris> hrm
[09:23] <ogra> he runs several labs, even with fat clients and local apps
[09:24] <Petaris> ok, I will check with him
[09:50] <enyc> meeeep ;-)
[09:51] <Burgwork> enyc, hmm?
[09:55] <enyc> Burgwork: moo de beep ;-)
[10:39] <linuxboy> hi
[10:39] <Burgwork> salut linuxboy
[10:39] <linuxboy> I'm looking for ltsp help and was directed here
[10:40] <linuxboy> this the right place to be ?
[10:40] <ogra_> yep
[10:40] <linuxboy> cool
[10:40] <linuxboy> so, I've setup ltsp on my PC
[10:40] <linuxboy> and I want another PC to PXE boot
[10:40] <ogra_> the ubuntu ltsp ?
[10:40] <linuxboy> but it doesn't support PXE booting
[10:40] <linuxboy> ogra_: correct
[10:41] <linuxboy> how can I make a boot floppy?
[10:41] <linuxboy> I tried http://www.rom-o-matic.net
[10:41] <linuxboy> but I'm not sure which image to get
[10:41] <ogra_> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[10:41] <ogra_> that lists all the options you need :)
[10:41] <linuxboy> aaah
[10:41] <linuxboy> i was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[10:46] <ogra_> thats not really appropriate for edubuntu (even if it explains the basics)
[10:46] <linuxboy> well... I'm not doing edubuntu
[10:47] <ogra_> ah, k
[10:47] <ogra_> then the Howto is right
[10:47] <linuxboy> just not detailed enough
[10:47] <linuxboy> (the PXE floppy part)
[10:47] <linuxboy> (but it doesn't have to be)
[10:48] <ogra_> imho it hides the simplicissity of setting up ltsp on ubuntu ...
[10:48] <ogra_> you can shrink it down to three lines to get  a fine working ltsp server
[10:48] <linuxboy> true
[10:48] <linuxboy> i like longer howtos
[10:48] <linuxboy> k, lets try this boot floppy...
[10:52] <linuxboy> nope didn't work
[10:52] <ogra_> whats the error ?
[10:52] <ogra_> it doesnt pick up an ip ?
[10:53] <linuxboy> no
[10:53] <linuxboy> just a bunch of crap
[10:53] <ogra_> crap like ?
[10:53] <linuxboy> I dunno
[10:53] <linuxboy> numbers and dots and stuff
[10:54] <linuxboy> I'll try again in the morning
[10:54] <linuxboy> this PXE floppy stuff is teh suck
[10:55] <enyc> whenis flight-5 cds available? ;-)
[10:55] <ogra_> you need to give a bit more precise info
[10:55] <ogra_> dots and numbers doesnt tell me much
[10:55] <ogra_> normally there is an error message anywhere
[10:55] <linuxboy> nope
[10:55] <linuxboy> none
[10:55] <linuxboy> I don't get any dhcp lease either
[10:55] <linuxboy> its like, before PXE starts
[10:56] <enyc> aaah
[10:56] <linuxboy> and no, there isn't an error message
[10:56] <enyc> network card boot bios.....
[10:57] <linuxboy> dunno
[10:57] <linuxboy> I'm booting off a PXE floppy
[10:57] <enyc> aah hrrm
[10:58] <ogra_> right floppy for the card ? is the dhcp server running on the server ?
[10:58] <linuxboy> I'll try another NIC or something
[10:58] <linuxboy> ogra_: look at this list: http://www.rom-o-matic.net/5.4.1/
[10:58] <linuxboy> look for the rtl8139
[10:58] <linuxboy> there are tons
[10:59] <ogra_> did you check with the pci id as described ?
[10:59] <linuxboy> dhcpd is running
[10:59] <ogra_> there may be tons, but only one with your pci id :)
[10:59] <linuxboy> as described where?
[11:00] <ogra_> in the howto
[11:00] <linuxboy> where in the howto?
[11:00] <ogra_> at the top
[11:00] <ogra_> hmm
[11:00] <ogra_> oh
[11:00] <ogra_> ok
[11:00] <linuxboy> yeeesss?
[11:00] <ogra_> make that lspci -n
[11:01] <ogra_> that will give you vendor and device id as used on rom-o-matic
[11:01] <linuxboy> -n sucks
[11:01] <linuxboy> -nv is better imho
[11:01] <linuxboy> actually, nope
[11:01] <linuxboy> that sucks too
[11:02] <linuxboy> nah
[11:02] <linuxboy> it still sucks
[11:02] <linuxboy> on this PC (the server)
[11:02] <linuxboy> I have this:
[11:02] <linuxboy> 0000:02:0e.0 Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller
[11:02] <linuxboy> and
[11:02] <linuxboy> 0000:02:0e.0 0200: 100b:0020
[11:02] <linuxboy> oh
[11:03] <linuxboy> sorry
[11:03] <linuxboy> yes, thats right
[11:03] <ogra_> lspci -n |grep $(lspci |grep Ethernet|awk '{print $1}')|awk '{print $3}'
[11:03] <ogra_> copy and paste that ;)
[11:03] <ogra_> shoudl give you  100b:0020
[11:03] <ogra_> :)
[11:03] <linuxboy> yeah
[11:04] <ogra_> great now look for the right floppy based on the IDs
[11:04] <linuxboy> well... that howto isn't very clear on that
[11:04] <linuxboy> needs updating
[11:04] <ogra_> set the options as described
[11:04] <ogra_> yep
[11:04] <linuxboy> I'm going to bed
[11:04] <linuxboy> I'll try in the morning
[11:04] <ogra_> its already several months old
[11:04] <linuxboy> night
[11:04] <ogra_> night