[02:29] <beltorak> is anyone here?
[02:33] <selby> how do you use git?
[03:22] <valorie> selby: what exactly do you mean?
[03:22] <valorie> it all depends on your purpose for using git
[03:32] <selby> valorie: sorry, i was just using you for bait.  I was testing my theory on if people respond if you just ask a question rather than asking to ask a question or asking if anyone is home.  I'm glad you responded, though. ^^
[03:32] <valorie> heh
[03:33] <valorie> it is certainly true that asking a question in a support channel is the best way to get support
[03:33] <valorie> "anybody here" will likely be ignored
[03:34] <selby> yeah, i just idle hear, but i'd always be down to answer a question if i see an interesting one
[03:34] <selby> here*
[03:35] <valorie> yep, we need lots of answerers
[03:35] <valorie> none of us knows everything, not even ubottu
[04:07] <jdwwatts> anyone know how i can get k mail client set up ?
[04:09] <arthurfiggis> jdwwatts: usually it's just a matter of starting up kontact and filling out the info for the auto wizard, that's all i had to do
[04:11] <jdwwatts> i seem to have trouble getting it to log into gmail and the othe two eb mails i have
[04:11] <jdwwatts> web
[04:12] <jdwwatts> but I never tried it through kontact yes
[04:12] <jdwwatts> yet
[04:18] <arthurfiggis> hmm...any error message that's popping up that might give any hints? i've only tried setting it up through kontact myself, but i thought that kmail was a part of kontact, so you wouildn't think that'd make a difference...hmm
[04:20] <reborn7> Hey there?
[04:36] <reborn7> There?
[06:31] <Bomber> hey ll. If you'll notice, I hve n issue with my keybord, sus R50l....
[06:32] <valorie> looks like your A key died?
[06:33] <Bomber> if I'm either patiente or fumble round with lifting my keybord, it works
[06:34] <Bomber> i'm running kubuntu with windows in dul boot
[06:34] <Bomber> keybord works fine in windows
[06:34] <valorie> that's very bizarre
[06:35] <Bomber> it's the `AQ1 and tb tht don't work
[06:35] <Bomber> sometimes, if I ply round with them
[06:37] <hateball> have you somehow set up the wrong model or some such?
[06:39] <Bomber> ?
[06:39] <Bomber> wht do you men?
[07:01] <Bomber> ?
[07:10] <Bomber> Is the keyboard related to synapsis?
[07:13] <soee> good morning
[07:16] <valorie> Bomber: synaptics, you mean? if so, that is for touchpads
[07:16] <Bomber> well, I hve  touchpd problem s well, but I find  "temp" solution i lwys use
[07:16] <valorie> I'm thinking perhaps dpkg --reconfigure could help
[07:17] <Bomber> (just relized I cn sve  the fix to the /boot/grub config file
[07:17] <Bomber> (just relized I cn sve the fix to the /boot/grub config file0
[07:17] <Bomber> (sorry for double)
[07:17] <valorie> if you read `man dpkg` you might see what you want
[07:17] <valorie> in the konsole
[07:19] <Bomber> um...
[07:19] <Bomber> tht's wierd
[07:19] <Bomber> dpkg is for depackging debin files....
[07:19] <Bomber> nd it seems tht it doesn't recognize --reconfigure
[07:20] <Bomber> wht exactly should I reconfigure...?
[07:21] <valorie> that's what I don't know
[07:21] <valorie> there is a step when you install, where you are asked about your keyboard
[07:21] <Bomber> wht...?
[07:21] <valorie> it is possible the wrong keyboard was chosen at that time
[07:21] <Bomber> huh.....
[07:21] <valorie> because there are so many possibilities
[07:21] <Bomber> ummmmm........i'm not sure i wnt to sk wht you're suggesting me to do
[07:22] <valorie> I'm not asking you to do anything, because I don't know
[07:23] <Bomber> OMFG
[07:23] <Bomber> OMFG
[07:23] <Bomber> DUE
[07:23] <Bomber> YOU'RE THE KING
[07:23] <Bomber> HOLY SHIT
[07:23] <Bomber> WOW
[07:23] <unopaste> Bomber you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[07:23] <valorie> sorry, I see by googling I already made a mistake -- it is dpkg-reconfigure
[07:24] <Bomber> hmmm, OK.....almost...it's actualy slightly better now.
[07:25] <Bomber> valorie: Ok, So apparently I had the generic keyboard model set
[07:25] <valorie> what did you do, Bomber?
[07:25] <valorie> ah
[07:25] <Bomber> I now have the asus model set, but it
[07:25] <Bomber> it's still not 00%
[07:25] <Bomber> s you can see
[07:26] <Bomber> I guess I should try all of the options untill I find the right one, huh?
[07:27] <valorie> or perhaps google on your asus model until you find something that looks more correct
[07:27] <Bomber> ?
[07:27] <valorie> do you see your exact model number listed somewhere in your choices, when you reconfigure?
[07:27] <Bomber> I mean, it's showing me only one single asus keyboard option, without regard to my pc model
[07:28] <Bomber> no
[07:28] <valorie> ah
[07:28] <Bomber> just asus | asus laptop
[07:28] <valorie> you've reached the limit of my knowledge here
[07:28] <Bomber> You've done more than to improve my life
[07:28] <valorie> I use a laptop, and the settings (so far) have Just Worked
[07:29] <Bomber> I had to wait 10 seconds for the letters to pop up
[07:29] <Bomber> they take up to 2 seconds now
[07:29] <Bomber> no more
[07:29] <valorie> still not optimal
[07:29] <valorie> did you use sudo dpkg-reconfigure ?
[07:29] <valorie> or what
[07:30] <Bomber> nope
[07:31] <Bomber> alt+f2 -> keyboard
[07:31] <valorie> ok, systemsettings
[07:31] <Bomber> yep
[07:31] <valorie> cool
[07:31] <Bomber> yeh. still wishing for improvments. Seems like none :(
[07:31] <valorie> well, I don't know the name of the package
[07:31] <valorie> sec
[07:33] <valorie> Bomber: in a konsole, try: `sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration`
[07:33] <valorie> without the ticks
[07:34] <Bomber> commnd dpkg-reconfigure not found
[07:35] <Bomber> holy shit....now it's not working t ll...wtf
[07:36] <valorie> ?
[07:36] <valorie> strange
[07:37] <Bomber> it has a strange behavior...
[07:37] <valorie> buh, I guess not
[07:38] <valorie> !info dpkg-reconfigure
[07:38] <valorie> why did it disappear?
[07:38] <valorie> :(
[07:38] <Bomber> utopic?
[07:38] <Bomber> oh.
[07:39] <Bomber> so I should look for n lterntive?
[07:39] <Bomber> for dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:39] <valorie> gah, sorry for that
[07:39] <valorie> I had no idea we deprecated that
[07:40] <valorie> it still shows up in the wikis, etc.
[07:40] <valorie> :(
[07:41] <Bomber> there seems to be n lterntive?
[07:42] <Bomber> http://askubuntu.com/questions/159663/how-to-reset-the-xorg-xserver
[07:47] <valorie> Bomber: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[07:47] <Bomber> 14.04
[07:47] <Bomber> sorry
[07:47] <valorie> odder and oddery
[07:47] <Bomber> 4.0
[07:47] <Bomber> (one)
[07:47] <valorie> what?
[07:47] <Bomber> fourteen point ten
[07:47] <valorie> ok
[07:47] <Bomber> fucking one is stuck
[07:48] <valorie> !language
[07:48] <Bomber> yeh, sorry
[07:48] <valorie> got it
[07:48] <valorie> so perhaps a look at ~/.configure is in order after all
[07:48] <Bomber> lright, here we go
[07:48] <valorie> that is your home folder
[07:48] <valorie> and then display hidden files
[07:48] <valorie> and you should see it
[07:49] <valorie> config files are almost all text files
[07:49] <valorie> rather fun to read, actually
[07:49] <Bomber> crud..if i could only ctully type in freking tild
[07:49] <Bomber> -_-
[07:50] <hateball> copy paste :p
[07:50] <valorie> yes, c/p is your friend
[07:51] <valorie> hateball probably knows more about this....
[07:51] <Bomber> ummm
[07:51] <Bomber> wht m i missing...
[07:52] <Bomber> i'm doing something wrong...there's no configure file in the home folder
[07:52] <hateball> Bomber: Did you check the KDE keyboard settings also? You can set models and layouts there, it is possible something is off
[07:52] <Bomber> thnk htebll
[07:52] <Bomber> it's llredy been done
[07:52] <hateball> Oh, ok
[07:52] <Bomber> i found out my keybord ws on generl, switched to sus.
[07:52] <Bomber> helped  bit for  while
[07:52] <Bomber> now it's completely bonkers....
[07:53] <hateball> Bomber: Do you have your install/live media still? If you boot that, do you get the same behavior?
[07:53] <Bomber> instll/live medi?
[07:54] <hateball> The CD or USB from which you installed
[07:54] <Bomber> um.........no.. :(
[07:54] <Bomber> should i be relly sd?
[07:54] <valorie> you could try logging in as a new user
[07:54] <Bomber> hmmm
[07:54] <Bomber> ok
[07:55] <Bomber> doing it now
[07:55] <valorie> and see if it has the same behavior
[07:55] <Bomber> see you guys soon
[07:59] <Bomber> but n
[07:59] <Bomber> didn't work
[08:00] <Bomber> i did do it though with the other session running..
[08:00] <Bomber> but still, the fct is tht ll the settings were reset nd still hd teh sme issues...
[08:00] <valorie> that shouldn't matter
[08:01] <Bomber> i'm missing something with the tild/configure thing
[08:03] <Bomber> uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
[08:03] <Bomber> the dpkg-reconfigure just worked
[08:04] <Bomber> i'm in the blue screen
[08:04] <Bomber> right now i need to choose for ltGr
[08:04] <Bomber> should i choose defult?
[08:04] <valorie> ltGr?
[08:04] <Bomber> dd the missing letter
[08:05] <Bomber> (lt, ctrl, shift)
[08:05] <valorie> sorry, I have no experience with this
[08:05] <Bomber> hmmm
[08:05] <valorie> it's always just worked
[08:05] <Bomber> even though you suggested i do the dpkg-reconfigure? you got me confused
[08:05] <Bomber> it is working
[08:06] <Bomber> i'm just not sure which option to select
[08:06] <Bomber> do you know the pckge configurtion screen/pp?
[08:06] <valorie> screen pp?
[08:06] <Bomber> ...nm
[08:06] <Bomber> it's not sking bout x server
[08:07] <Bomber> ctrl+lt+bckspce
[08:07] <Bomber> i'll just ignore it, i guess..
[08:07] <valorie> yes, I was the one who suggested dpkg-reconfigure
[08:07] <valorie> but I've never done that with a keyboard, and found little while googling for you
[08:07] <Bomber> oh, ok.. thnks
[08:07] <Bomber> well, just did it
[08:07] <Bomber> nd nothing new..
[08:07] <Bomber> i'll try severl options there
[08:08] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:12] <Bomber> drnit...
[08:13] <Bomber> mybe its some service tht's running on my computer..
[09:11] <Bomber> valorie: OK.....I think i got wht's going on here
[09:11] <Bomber> nd it sounds like hell
[09:12] <Bomber> there is some sort of buffer.....in the computer
[09:12] <Bomber> this hppens in the dul boot screen nd in windows s well, not just kubuntu..
[09:13] <Bomber> if i type some text, specifclly i test "ok", i delete it, try to type one of the keys tht's problmtic, (the key doesn't reigster), i press bckspce severl times, type in few of the keys gin, nd keep hitting bckspce more thn i press the unregistering keys
[09:13] <Bomber> nd they suddenly register gin, untill i strt typing OTHER keys.
[09:13] <Bomber> nd then i need to do the whole thing gin.
[09:14] <valorie> dual boot screen?
[09:14] <Bomber> yeh
[09:14] <valorie> do you mean grub?
[09:15] <Bomber> when i edit the grub
[09:15] <valorie> something is def. wrong
[09:15] <valorie> I wonder if it could be hardware
[09:16] <valorie> some loose cable or something
[09:16] <Bomber> dsd
[09:33] <cfyz> A
[11:47] <macstar> anyone knows about cutepaste? that copy and paste tool for KDE? .. i installed it but whenever i want to initiate it via Konsole it says:
[11:47] <macstar> http://pastebin.kde.org/
[11:47] <macstar> No such file or directory
[11:47] <macstar> and also QIODevice::read: device not open
[12:00] <alvin> The amd64 zsync file on http://files.kde.org/snapshots/kubuntu-plasma5/ is wrong
[12:00] <alvin> it has the wrong filename
[12:01] <macstar> never mind ... found it out
[12:17] <Riddell> alvin: what does the filename matter?
[12:17] <alvin> Riddell: I don't know, but the .zsync file does not want to download. It wants to download utopic-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:18] <Riddell> alvin: ok thanks I'll just remove them
[12:19] <alvin> Thanks. .zsync is handy though. Saves a lot of bandwidth resulting in faster download if you have a similar .iso.
[12:21] <hyper_ch> hi there, in dolphin the places sidebar, where is that data actually stored?
[12:25] <bazhang> http://linuxexchange.org/questions/2726/kdedolphin-config-file-for-places
[12:25] <bazhang> that?
[13:07] <alvin> How do I start the installer on the plasma5 image? I can boot it, but it ends with 'saned disabled: edit /etc/default/saned'
[13:08] <alvin> nvm. startx just works
[13:10] <soee> :)
[13:17] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning folks
[13:30] <Roey> g'morning folks
[13:34] <hyper_ch> bazhang: why is that in ~/.local and not ~/.kde ?
[13:34] <hyper_ch> thx though :)
[14:17] <alvin> locales are even more messed up than they were in KDE4 :-(
[14:18] <alvin> I want the system in English instead of my mother tongue, but with sensible stuff like A4 paper, no AM/PM, Metric,...
[14:21] <Avihay_work> maybe a locale like the UK? or Australia?
[14:31] <alvin> UK uses AM/PM
[15:18] <Pens_101> helllo
[17:31] <floown> hello
[17:33] <floown> I wanted to do a backup for my /home/floown, so I have done a : tar czvf homfloown.tar.gz /home/floown but I have a message in end : tar: Arrêt avec code d'échec à cause des erreurs précédentes
[17:33] <lordievader> floown: Err, could you translate that please.
[17:34] <floown> lordievader: tar: end with echec code because previous errors
[17:34] <floown> in fact, I have no error until this line
[17:35] <lordievader> floown: Could you pastebin the full output?
[17:36] <lordievader> !paste | floown
[17:37] <floown> lordievader: can I do a file with the output? It's to long
[17:37] <lordievader> !pastebinit
[17:37] <lordievader> ^ might help
[17:38] <genii> Perhaps you executed the command from inside the directory you are tarring up
[17:42] <floown> lordievader: ok, I have done a chown, the command works now ^^
[17:42] <floown> thx
[17:43] <lordievader> floown: I was thinking it would be something along those lines ;)
[17:43] <reborn7> there?
[17:43] <lordievader> reborn7: ? Where?
[17:43] <reborn7> finally! last night, i was looking for anyone help me, but it was night,
[17:43] <reborn7> so
[17:44] <reborn7> i was looking for the disable the sleep screensaver.
[17:44] <reborn7> i can't find it.
[17:44] <lordievader> Plasma 4 or 5?
[17:44] <reborn7> 4
[17:46] <lordievader> Hmm, can't remember Plasma4 well enough but I though it was somewhere among the display settings.
[17:47] <reborn7> Ok. let me look up.
[17:48] <reborn7> Enegry Saving-System Setting? i can't find it for word "Disabled"
[17:49] <lordievader> reborn7: 0 ;)
[17:50] <reborn7> uncheck "screen enegry saving" will it work?
[17:55] <lordievader> reborn7: It should, if it doesn't set it to 360 min. The bug might still be around.
[17:56] <reborn7> okay! i hope it work! so how about caffeine ? broken?
[18:00] <lordievader> Kaffeine, the media player?
[18:04] <reborn7> No, it not, for disable screen saver, i was used that, it worked, but i read some of forum, it say now useless.
[18:04] <reborn7> https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[18:07] <lordievader> It's GTK: from gi.repository import GObject, Gtk ;)
[18:07] <reborn7> oh i see.
[18:09] <lordievader> Though it is (ab)using dbus to keep things awake.
[18:09] <lordievader> Might still work.
[18:17] <blurkis> Can some one recomend a good site on the internet that sells mascots of the tux penguin?
[18:19] <reborn7> interesting, i just installed caffeine, but i can't find caffeine.
[18:19] <reborn7> i also command in the terminal, sudo caffeine, and it appear error.
[18:21] <lordievader> reborn7: What error?
[18:23] <reborn7> http://imgur.com/Z6lY7ZA
[18:31] <lordievader> reborn7: You shouldn't run it with sudo.
[18:31] <lordievader> There is no need and it is also the cause of this error.
[18:33] <reborn7> oh ok
[18:43] <arthurfiggis> well, kubuntu 14.10 is turning out to be probably the most pleasant desktop experience i've had :) couple of hiccups here and there...particularly with dual-monitors (or in my case one monitor and a TV connected via HDMI :) )...when both are connected, the login screen comes up but the fonts are all so extremely tiny that you can barely read them, whereas with just the monitor hooked up...
[18:43] <arthurfiggis> ...everything's fine...anyone know what might be going on there?
[18:44] <rooc> arthurfiggis: what is the resolution of the tv?
[18:44] <rooc> arthurfiggis: brb, quick meeting.
[18:45] <arthurfiggis> rooc: i believe that it maxes out at 1280x720, it's not much bigger than the monitor :) although the monitor maxes out at 1920x1080, so maybe there's some problem happening there when i turn on the "unify outputs" option to mirror across both screens...didn't have any problem like that with gnome3 oddly enough! (oh, that's okay :) )
[19:23] <m_tadeu> hi...howcome "sudo rm -rf <dir>" says permission denied
[19:27] <lordievader> m_tadeu: What dir are we talking about?
[19:28] <m_tadeu> some dir that was created from a "git clone" operation and then git-daemon changed ownership to gitdaemon:nogroup
[19:29] <m_tadeu> mmm...permissions are set to read(user,group,others)
[19:31] <rooc> arthurfiggis: are you still there?
[19:32] <lordievader> m_tadeu: Hmm, root should be able to remove it...
[19:32] <arthurfiggis> rooc: yes, sorry about that! i had to disconnect and disable/re-enable the wireless connection, was using kismet to try and figure out which channel had the least interference on it and it tends to knock my connection out when closed :)
[19:33] <m_tadeu> lordievader: any idea how to fix this?
[19:33] <rooc> arthurfiggis: you're on 14.10?
[19:34] <lordievader> m_tadeu: Perhaps "sudo su" and removing it from there?
[19:42] <arthurfiggis> rooc: yep, just installed it...oh, about a week ago i suppose :) didn't have dual monitor support at all until i installed kde-workspace-randr, then i got the usual config options...but mirroring the monitor and the TV, the fonts wind up being...i don't know, i have it set at 14pt but it looks more like 4pt without a magnifying glass :(
[19:43] <m_tadeu> lordievader: no luck
[19:43] <rooc> arthurfiggis: i'll have to update mine to 14.1 so i can see the same thing. i'm at work too, so i have nothing to compare with. unless someone else answers your questions it'll have to wait a few hours.
[19:44] <rooc> my gut is telling me that the desktop appearance has to be altered for the resolution. sounds a little as if the icons/fonts are rendered for a lower resolution.
[19:46] <arthurfiggis> rooc: hmm, you might be right...i _think_ i mentioned it earlier, but the TV's resolution only goes up to 1366x738, whereas the monitor goes up to 1920x1080...maybe that's causing some problem? i'm not sure how i'd go about fixing it though...the fonts are so small with both connected that you can't tell what you're doing except for the icons :)
[19:47] <arthurfiggis> the font on the login screen when it comes up is tiny as well, but maybe if i set things to a lower resolution and reboot?
[19:50] <lordievader> m_tadeu: Read only filesystem?
[19:57] <arthurfiggis> rooc: no problem though, thanks for the suggestions...if you get a chance it'd be much appreciated but I'll try poking at it a bit myself in the meantime and see if i can make it behave ;)
[20:06] <m_tadeu> lordievader: nop....inside my home dir
[20:10] <lordievader> m_tadeu: Can still be read-only. Ext4 file system>
[20:11] <m_tadeu> lordievader: agree....but it's not
[20:17] <arthurfiggis> on another note altogether, is anyone here using the "encrypted home directories" option in 14.10 when installing? i tried it at first, but for some reason when i enabled it and the installation finished, i had no swap partition or space allocated at all and the machine died pretty quick :( i just reinstalled with full disk encryption enabled and home directory encryption disabled, then...
[20:17] <arthurfiggis> ...everything worked fine
[22:56] <gatto> hello
[22:56] <gatto> anyone there?
[23:06] <arthurfiggis> gatto: i'd imagine there's a couple or 200 people around, sure :) what sort of problem are you having, if any
[23:07] <genii> !details
[23:13] <gatto> I installed Kubuntu Plasma 5 for testing and I love it, but I'd like to downgrade to Plasma 4. Is it possible to do this without reinstalling? if so, how?


[00:29] <bytor4232> In the Firefox profile, which file(s) contain the passwords?
[00:33] <zoredache> signons3.txt looks like a possibility
[00:33] <zoredache> why do you ask?
[00:34] <zoredache> the passwords aren't going to be readable...  If you need to extract passwords, you may need to install one of the password export extenstions
[00:50] <bytor4232> zoredache, I set up a new install and only wanted to copy the bookmarks and passwords
[00:50] <bytor4232> zoredache, I didn't want to copy the whole profile
[00:52] <zoredache> bytor4232: but there is are password export plugins (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2848) that you can use.  Explorting/Importing bookmarks is already built in...
[00:52] <bytor4232> zoredache, That would work, except I don't have physical access to the server, just the files themselves.
[00:52] <zoredache> just copying the files may not work, but it shouldn't hut to try
[00:52] <bytor4232> I figured it out.
[00:53] <bytor4232> It did work.
[00:53] <bytor4232> key3.db signons* bookmarks.html places.sqlite*
[00:53] <bytor4232> copied those to the new profile, worked great, all the passwords where there
[01:10] <fo0b4er> Hey, I'm having some problems with updating the new 9.04 beta I just installed, is this the right place to ask for help?
[01:11] <fo0b4er> I'm getting errors from system-tools-backends and gnome-system-tools
[01:28] <n2diy> I'm trying to archive my home directory with Thunar, and I'm getting "Bad descriptor at begining of tape" errors?
[01:36] <fo0b4er> haha found my own solution, ran "sudo killall system-tools-backends" and then "sudo apt-get upgrade" and everything worked :) hopefully this helps someone..
[01:39] <bytor4232> Well, I give up
[01:39] <bytor4232> Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy: org.freedesktop.hal.power-management.suspend no <-- (action, result)
[01:39] <bytor4232> I can only suspend my laptop if I do:  sudo pmi action suspend
[01:39] <bytor4232> No button, no sudoless
[01:40] <fo0b4er> do you know if your laptop is using acpi?
[01:41] <fo0b4er> i only ask because forcing it allowed me to suspend my laptop, thats as much as i know
[01:42] <fo0b4er> good luck
[03:12] <lacrymology> hello.  I dont even know how to diagnose this..
[03:18] <charlie-tca> Do you get sound outside of audacious?
[03:19] <lacrymology> yes
[03:20] <lacrymology> vlc and last.fm work fine, and so does rythmbox, but I hate it
[03:20] <lacrymology> audacious won't even play silently
[03:20] <n2diy> when I try to archive my home directory I get a "bad descriptor at beginning of tape" error, and it aborts?
[03:20] <lacrymology> you press the play button, and nothing happens
[03:21] <lacrymology> n2diy: sounds like your tape drive's header's dirty? =P
[03:21] <n2diy> lacrymology: could be, but there isn't a tape drive involved.
[03:34] <lacrymology> oh well
[04:27] <keres> how do you schedule a disk integrity check?
[05:14] <Brandon_X_Fox> Hello guys, I am trying to make my Logitech usb desktop microphone work, I have tryed lsusb command in terminal and it is recognized.
[05:18] <Brandon_X_Fox> is there anyone out there willing to help me to with my issue?
[05:18] <cody-somerville> Brandon_X_Fox, can you pastebin your ouput of lsusb?
[05:20] <Brandon_X_Fox> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0556:0001 Asahi Kasei Microsystems Co., Ltd AK5370 I/F A/D Converter
[05:20] <Brandon_X_Fox> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:c315 Logitech, Inc. Classic New Touch Keyboard
[05:20] <Brandon_X_Fox> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[05:24] <cody-somerville> !pastebin
[05:27] <thismamacooks200> opengl is not longer working on my system. most apps say: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:29] <Brandon_X_Fox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/145943/
[05:30] <cody-somerville> Brandon_X_Fox, can you pastebin the output of dmesg | tail
[05:31] <Brandon_X_Fox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/145945/
[05:40] <cody-somerville> odd, looks like it should work
[05:40] <cody-somerville> If you open up the mixer settings, can you see the device?
[05:41] <Brandon_X_Fox> yes
[05:42] <cody-somerville> So what application do you want to use the mic with?
[05:42] <Brandon_X_Fox> audacity, just to record and playback
[05:42] <Brandon_X_Fox> for youtube etc.
[05:43] <cody-somerville> Let me install audacity and take a looky.
[05:45] <Brandon_X_Fox> cody: ok
[05:47] <cody-somerville> Brandon_X_Fox, Edit > Preferences
[05:47] <Brandon_X_Fox> in audacity?
[05:47] <cody-somerville> Yes. You should be able to change the input/recording device
[05:48] <Brandon_X_Fox> *selects mic*
[05:48] <Brandon_X_Fox> what channe; should I use for it, mono or stereo?
[05:48] <cody-somerville> Stero
[05:48] <cody-somerville> *Stereo
[05:48] <Brandon_X_Fox> got an error
[05:49] <Brandon_X_Fox> error while opening sound device
[05:50] <BigMoopies> does anyone know anything like Sizeme in windows? It will allow you to drag folders/files to it and it will make an ISO for you for however many DVDs or CDs it will take to burn them to a CD/DVD.
[09:58] <Slonkie> Anyone in here using a linux os on their PDA?
[09:59] <tavasti> I have Zaurus, but not much used
[10:00] <tavasti> too big, doesn't fit to my pocket
[10:01] <Slonkie> but how's the system?
[10:01] <Slonkie> as nice as xubuntu? :P
[10:01] <Slonkie> that's for sharp pda's only it seems
[10:10] <gabkdlly> I have Maemo on my Nokia N800, which is not exactly a pda (they call it an internet tablet), and it works quite well
[10:12] <Slonkie> Cool
[10:14] <Slonkie> I'll see if i can get it on my iPAQ rx1950
[10:40] <BigMoopies> can anyone tell me where Sun xVM Virtual Machine installs to ? it isn't /usr/bin/virtualmachine like the old one.
[10:42] <tavasti> BigMoopies, don't think that's included in xubuntu
[10:42] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, Whats the package name?
[10:43] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, I think I found it.
[10:43] <cody-somerville> ok :)
[10:43] <BigMoopies> or not.
[10:44] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, I see.. It's not "VirtualBox" not virtualbox (whoopity doo )
[10:44] <BigMoopies> it's now*
[10:44] <cody-somerville> Ah
[10:45] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, Would you know why XFCE loads up slower than GNOME ?
[10:45] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, However, once it gets in to the desktop it runs faster
[10:45] <cody-somerville> It shoudln't load slower than gnome
[10:46] <cody-somerville> What version of Xubuntu are you running?
[10:46] <BigMoopies> hady
[10:46] <BigMoopies> hardy
[10:46] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, Can you relogin to Xfce and then pastebin ~/.xsession-errors for me?
[10:46] <BigMoopies> hm ?
[10:47] <cody-somerville> Do you know how to pastebin something?
[10:47] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, You mean logout of xfce and go to gnome ?
[10:47] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, I am running XFCE now
[10:47] <cody-somerville> What I want you to do is logout and log back into Xfce
[10:47] <BigMoopies> Ok.
[10:47] <cody-somerville> and then pastebin the file located in your home directory called .xsession-errors
[10:48] <BigMoopies> brb then
[10:51] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, what was the pastebin site you wanted me to use
[10:51] <cody-somerville> pastebin.ubuntu.com works
[10:51] <BigMoopies> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/146094/
[10:52] <BigMoopies> cody-somerville, I also took off the splash screen animation and it seems to have gone a little faster
[10:55] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, It looks like you're starting a lot of stuff at login
[10:55] <BigMoopies> orange and pidgin
[10:55] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, I recommend you go to Applications > Settings > Setting Manager and then click Session and Startup
[10:55] <cody-somerville> BigMoopies, Click on the Application Autostart tab
[10:56] <BigMoopies> I don't see that
[10:56] <BigMoopies> General/Advanced
[10:56] <cody-somerville> hmm, may be because I'm running Jaunty, heh
[10:56] <cody-somerville> Anyhow, it looks like you're starting tracker
[10:56] <cody-somerville> and evolution stuff
[10:56] <BigMoopies> I always want to call Jaunty Jackalope , "Jimmy jiggalo"
[10:57] <BigMoopies> for some reason
[10:57] <Slonkie> i don't see General/Advanced in jaunty lol
[10:57] <BigMoopies> oh
[10:57] <BigMoopies> Autostarted Apps ?
[10:58] <BigMoopies> pidgin,  network manager , volume manager, hardware drivers check , update notifier, pulse audio , power management , tracker applet , tracker , print que applet
[10:59] <BigMoopies> what the heck is tracker ?
[10:59] <Myrtti> it's a tool that indexes your files and stuff
[10:59] <Myrtti> so you can search it with the tracker applet which you seem to start as well
[10:59] <BigMoopies> Myrtti, is that even needed? I always turned that off in XP
[10:59] <Myrtti> it takes a lot of resources, and isn't even installed by default in xubuntu, IIRC
[11:00] <BigMoopies> It must be part of the GNOME apps left over?
[11:00] <Myrtti> yup
[11:00] <BigMoopies> OK, so I can axe it ?
[11:00] <Myrtti> yup
[11:01] <BigMoopies> along with applet ?
[11:02] <Myrtti> if you axe the tracker, the applet is useless
[11:02] <BigMoopies> shall I logout/in again and see what happens ?
[11:03] <BigMoopies> OK
[11:05] <BigMoopies> do I need to stop tracker-applet and trackerd ?
[11:07] <Myrtti> I assume they both will stop when you log out
[11:07] <BigMoopies> ok
[11:09] <BigMoopies> It's coming up acceptable now.
[11:11] <BigMoopies> I think that machine is running better too without it.
[11:18] <BigMoopies> There aint no cloacking/IP hiding on this network?
[11:58] <Name141> oh yeah.. I forgot one thing.  Is it possible to use WINE for drivers ?
[11:59] <Name141> I have  a photo printer that only is supported in XP/2K
[11:59] <Name141> that is only
[12:39] <jaume1> anyone can help me_ I have a problem with my OS
[12:39] <Slonkie> !ask
[12:41] <jaume1> ok thanks
[12:42] <jaume1> i have a problem with my CD reader, so when I try to install Xubuntu, the instalation package told me that any error on read or write occurs
[12:42] <jaume1> then I installed windoes
[12:42] <jaume1> windows XP and install ubuntu from USB
[12:43] <jaume1> So now i have installed XP and Xubuntu
[12:43] <jaume1> I want to uninstall XP
[12:43] <jaume1> how I can do?
[12:44] <Slonkie> boot up the windows XP cd, go to the point where your able to delete partitations, and delete it i'd say.
[12:45] <jaume1> obviously these action don't touch LINUX ?
[12:46] <Noisia> Not if Linux is installed on it's own partition (not using wubi).
[12:46] <Slonkie> took the words out of my mouth
[12:46] <tavasti> if you want to get rid of windows, you don't need any windows cd, boot to windows, etc
[12:47] <jaume1> i.m not sure if both oS are in the same partition
[12:47] <tavasti> jaume1, run 'sudo fdisk -l'
[12:47] <jaume1> when i execute partition editor I only see one
[12:49] <jaume1> tavasti, sorry but i'm terribly new with linux, how I can run -sudo fdisk -I
[12:50] <jaume1> with the terminal?
[12:50] <Noisia> yes and it's a lowercase L, not an I
[12:51] <jaume1> I have run
[12:51] <jaume1> what else
[12:52] <jaume1> :-/
[12:52] <Noisia> the output should give you a clue to your hard drive/partition scheme
[12:52] <jaume1> there is only one
[12:52] <jaume1> entry
[12:52] <Slonkie> paste the output to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <jaume1> done
[12:53] <Slonkie> give us the link
[12:54] <jaume1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/146173/
[12:54] <Slonkie> seems like you've got windows and xubuntu on same partitition
[12:54] <Slonkie> partition*
[12:54] <jaume1> oh oh
[12:55] <jaume1> the i have to unistall windows with the CD?
[12:55] <Slonkie> no
[12:55] <Slonkie> What you'll need is to install xubuntu all over afaik.. there might be another solution tho, but i don't know of it.
[12:56] <jaume1> i don-t understand sorry, what-s the mean of all over afaik_
[12:58] <TheSheep> you installed xubuntu with wubi *into* a file on your windows partition
[12:58] <TheSheep> so if you delete it now, you will delete both windows and xubuntu
[12:58] <TheSheep> you'd have to install xubuntu again, this time not using wubi
[12:59] <TheSheep> there is an option to use entire disk when installing
[12:59] <TheSheep> this will of course delete everything you have on that computer, windows included
[12:59] <jaume1> but when i try from CD an error ocur, i thnk that error is from CD driver, because
[13:00] <jaume1> i have check the integrity of CD in other laptop and it-s correct
[13:00] <Noisia> what's the error?
[13:00] <TheSheep> try burning the cd with the slowest possible speed
[13:01] <TheSheep> old cd drives often have trouble with disks burned with high speeds
[13:01] <jaume1> i have burnt the CD at lowest possible
[13:01] <TheSheep> you can also try installing from usb or through network
[13:01] <TheSheep> !install | jaume1
[13:02] <jaume1> ok
[13:02] <jaume1> thanks guys
[13:03] <jaume1> see you soon  (I hope)
[13:05] <Slonkie> heh
[13:25] <Slonkie> anyone using bluetooth in xubuntu and only being able to transfer files to device, and not from device? a
[13:25] <Slonkie> I've tried 3 different devices they all appear with a "key" in the bluetooth manager
[13:28] <dingding> ikonia
[14:08] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: ping
[14:11] <Pres-Gas> No route to host
[14:12] <Pres-Gas> 1 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1014ms
[14:28] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, pong
[14:29] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: http://portableubuntu.sourceforge.net/ <--- is that by any chance in violation of Ubuntu Trademark guidelines?
[14:30] <cody-somerville> I'll ask, one second.
[14:31] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: okies :)
[14:32] <itstegg> hi.  i am using xubuntu dapper drake 6.06 for powerpc.  the drop down menu appears when clicked then disappears independantly after 3 seconds.  where can i change this setting ?
[14:33] <vinnl> That's not a setting, sounds more like a bug
[14:33] <itstegg> oh.
[14:33] <maxamillion> itstegg: i might recommend you get a more recent release ... i think 6.06 is out of support and will no longer get updates
[14:33] <vinnl> !bugs
[14:33] <vinnl> maxamillion, not yet, but it won't take long before that happens, so yeah, an update it recommended
[14:33] <itstegg> well, i image the answer is to upgrade but this is an offline computer
[14:34] <maxamillion> vinnl: ah, didn't know dapper was still getting updates :)
[14:34]  * maxamillion is out of the loop
[14:34] <vinnl> ^.^
[14:34] <cody-somerville> maxamillion, It appears its currently under review by legal.
[14:36] <maxamillion> cody-somerville: ah, ok ... just wanted to ping you on it because it was sent across the fedora-devel list as a cool idea and someone from fedora-legal kinda spoke up and said that we should bring that to Canonical/Ubuntu's attention
[14:37] <cody-somerville> Cool :)
[15:50] <Pres-Gas> hmmm...anyone running jaunty server 64 yet?  I cannot find denyhosts and want a confirmation.
[15:51] <charlie-tca> You may need to create it yourself
[15:52] <Pres-Gas> Hmmmm...has only been built fo 1386 ATM it would seem
[15:53]  * Pres-Gas rereads the launchpad area (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/denyhosts/2.6-5)
[16:21] <Slonkie> Broadcom wifi cards are still a pain in the ass with xubuntu right?
[16:22] <cody-somerville> not so much anymore
[16:23] <Slonkie> hmm
[16:27] <rocko> yes very true
[16:27] <rocko> they have free software ones now too
[16:27] <rocko> not sure if you ubuntu has them yet
[16:30] <Slonkie> is it possible to mark all text in nano?
[16:32] <marcPV> hola
[16:33] <vinnl> Hi
[16:33] <marcPV> hi everyone
[16:33] <marcPV> anyone know how to manage partitions in xubuntu?
[16:34] <vinnl> You can install Gparted
[16:34] <marcPV> its not installed by default?
[16:35] <vinnl> No
[16:35] <marcPV> ok so i go to add applications and just look for it right?
[16:36] <vinnl> Yes
[16:36] <marcPV> thanks
[16:36] <vinnl> np :)
[16:37] <marcPV> hey this chat is really a good help
[16:37] <rocko> saluton
[16:37] <rocko> hola
[16:37] <rocko> bonjour
[16:37] <rocko> moin moin
[16:37] <rocko> hallo
[16:37] <rocko> was ist los?
[16:37] <vinnl> Heh yeah it is ;-)
[16:37] <rocko> kiel vi fartas?
[16:37] <vinnl> rocko, please
[16:37] <rocko> how are you?
[16:37] <vinnl> :)
[16:37] <marcPV> bona vesprada, bye everyone
[16:37] <vinnl> Bye marcPV
[16:37] <rocko> why vinnl ?
[16:38] <rocko> not everyone can understand English
[16:38] <vinnl> rocko, a sound gets played for me every time something is said, so if you say so many lines, that gets annoying quickly ;-)
[16:38] <rocko> why not use the majority every time you say something
[16:38] <rocko> so that every one can understand
[16:38] <vinnl> Well, if you include all those languages to say the same thing *on one line*, it wouldn't really be a problem
[16:39] <vinnl> Now, however, you're flooding the channel, as it's called
[16:39] <rocko> I see vinnl why don't you turn that off
[16:39] <vinnl> rocko, because mostly people say one thing at a time and then I get notified of that :)
[16:39] <rocko> I turn it off
[16:39] <rocko> it wastes system resources
[16:40] <Slonkie> rocko why don't you just understand that this is an ENGLISH only channel. if you need to speak another language go to the specific channel for the language if there is one
[16:40] <rocko> I speak English
[16:41] <rocko> but why can't we be multilingual ?
[16:41] <vinnl> Because we'd like to be able to understand everything that is said here
[16:41] <rocko> I see
[16:42] <rocko> well i meant like saying your statements in English then in other languages that means the same thing
[16:42] <vinnl> Yeah but... What's the added value of that?
[16:42] <rocko> so you use the English version so you can understand
[16:42] <rocko> so that everyone can understand you
[16:43] <vinnl> If you speak English everybody here can understand you as well
[16:44] <rocko> do we have technologies now like that you can have a thing that has voice reconicion for languages to be translated into another language or to put it in should a way that the wearier understands everything without adjusting the language preferences ?
[16:45] <rocko> like those things that where in sci fi movies with aliens visitors
[16:45] <vinnl> I'm afraid not :P
[16:45] <rocko> :(
[16:45] <rocko> that would be cool
[16:46] <rocko> a lot of that stuff that was in past sci fi films is now a reality
[17:22] <n2diy> ! usb
[17:54] <caillean> hallo :-)
[17:54] <caillean> which language is spoken here?
[17:57] <bigzed> can someone tell me how i can change the system default keyboard layout?
[18:00] <charlie-tca> caillean: English
[18:00] <charlie-tca> bigzed: Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[18:01] <bigzed> i've done this already but the loginscreen and dm-crypt use the old layout
[18:01] <charlie-tca> caillean: would a different language be better for you?
[18:02] <bigzed> so i wonder how i can change this
[18:02] <charlie-tca> bigzed: you would probably have to change the system locale settings
[18:02] <charlie-tca> !locale
[18:03] <bigzed> could it be that the xorg.conf doesnt exist in xubuntu?
[18:03] <charlie-tca> xorg.conf does not exist in 8.10 and later, I think, Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu
[18:03] <charlie-tca> You can create it if needed and just use the sections needed.
[18:05] <bigzed> mhm ok both packages which are mentioned in this article arent installed...
[18:06] <J_Litewski> what would cause a kernel failure?
[18:06] <bigzed> i think i first upgrade to 9.04
[18:06] <J_Litewski> more correctly, a xorg failure related to a kernel failure
[18:07] <bigzed> is this related to my problem
[18:07] <J_Litewski> no, this is my problem
[18:07] <bigzed> ok
[18:08] <bigzed> what exactly is your problem? New hardware or a failure at all?
[18:09] <J_Litewski> well, xorg was failing to show my screen because the kernel couldn't write to the RAM
[18:09] <J_Litewski> thus, it was writing to the swap file
[18:10] <J_Litewski> putting the computer in a infinite loop of writing and reading
[18:10] <J_Litewski> i had to run the recovery kernel and reinstall most of xfce to get it to work
[18:11] <J_Litewski> i also ran top while in the recovery kernel, and i noticed over 90% of my ram was being used, but no program was using it
[18:13] <J_Litewski> i also ran (and re-ran) memtest86+, passed everything
[18:17] <J_Litewski> i think i need more RAM...
[18:18] <J_Litewski> or a fresh install
[18:20] <icanhascheezburg> hello
[18:20] <J_Litewski> !hi
[18:20] <icanhascheezburg> I am about to build a new computer
[18:20] <icanhascheezburg> need advice
[18:20] <icanhascheezburg> do the ati linux drivers still suck
[18:20] <J_Litewski> not sure, ask in #ati
[18:20] <charlie-tca> not ALL of them, no
[18:20] <icanhascheezburg> anyone here using a recent ati radeon like the 4850 or 4870
[18:21] <charlie-tca> Threw all my ATI cards out
[18:21] <J_Litewski> charlie, why?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> tired of fighting with the drivers
[18:22] <J_Litewski> ah
[18:24] <J_Litewski> whats a good terminal-based IRC client?
[18:24] <Slonkie> irssi
[18:26] <J_Litewski> if i install the irssi plugin for pidgin, will it work the smae?
[18:26] <Slonkie> no idea
[18:26] <J_Litewski> kk, i'm going to try then
[18:41] <caillean> ok, i will try in english ;-)
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[18:42] <caillean> i installed xubuntu for a friend, i usually use kde :-)  the problem is that the xfce4 panel disappears sometimes
[18:43] <caillean> it comes back when i type in the window, which appears when pressing alt+f2  xfce4-panel
[18:43] <caillean> i wonder why it disappears?
[18:44] <charlie-tca> He doesn't get any failures?
[18:44] <cody-somerville> what does dmesg | tail say?
[18:45] <caillean> ok, when he comes online i will look at his pc whith vnc, then i will see what dmesg | tail  says
[18:45] <cody-somerville> caillean, after it disappears though
[18:45] <caillean> no failures , he didnt say anything
[18:48] <caillean> i wonder if you can remove the panel perhaps whith a shortcut?
[18:49] <CrazyGir> where are pdfs saved when printing with cups-pdf?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> I thought they were saved in ~/ ; but I could be wrong. I never use it.
[18:56] <hackhalotwo> testing
[18:56] <J_Litewski> sweet
[18:56] <J_Litewski> alright, that works
[18:58] <J_Litewski> that really needs to be placed into the recovery kernel, so people can connect to irc.freenode.net and get help
[18:58] <charlie-tca> What did you do?
[18:58] <J_Litewski> i opened irssi and tested it
[19:00] <CrazyGir> charlie-tca: there's a directory ~/PDF, but it's empty
[19:01] <charlie-tca> CrazyGir: I don't know then.
[19:04] <J_Litewski> damn, why is it logged into root?
[19:09] <J_Litewski> thats better
[20:02] <CrazyGir> hrm
[20:36] <CrazyGir> charlie-tca: that's the default location
[20:36] <CrazyGir> cups-pdf has a log though: Tue Apr  7 12:57:22 2009  [ERROR] failed to set file mode for PDF file (non fatal) (/home/user/conf/PDF/test.pdf)
[20:37] <CrazyGir> not really sure why
[20:37] <charlie-tca> But they don't show up there or is it not saving them, I wonder?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> Hmm, mine asks where to save it, just like other save dialogs
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Is it perhaps the application itself?
[20:46] <CrazyGir> I wish it asked where to
[20:46] <CrazyGir> that would be nice :)
[20:47] <cody-somerville> There is two options
[20:47] <cody-somerville> Print to file
[20:47] <cody-somerville> and print to PDF
[20:47] <cody-somerville> I believe PDF goes to ~/PDF/
[20:47] <cody-somerville> Whereas the print to file provides the ability to select the destination
[20:47] <Slonkie> Can you print any document to any kinda file?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Maybe depends on the app. Gimp lets you print a pdf anywhere
[20:48] <cody-somerville> I haven't tried it with Jaunty
[20:48] <cody-somerville> Maybe its a new feature
[20:48] <cody-somerville> Let me try
[20:48] <cody-somerville> Ah indeed
[20:48] <cody-somerville> There is only print to file, no more print to pdf
[20:48] <Slonkie> anybody know a way of making .mw files to .pdf?
[20:48] <cody-somerville> and that lets you select the file type
[20:49] <cody-somerville> MacWrite?
[20:49] <cody-somerville> Try opening it with Open Office and saving it as a pdf
[20:49] <Slonkie> Doesn't work
[20:50] <cody-somerville> What is a .mw file?
[20:50] <Slonkie> Maple file
[20:53] <Slonkie> anyway.. am i the only one for whom gigolo doesn't work?
[20:53] <cody-somerville> I've had a little bit of difficulty with it at times
[20:54] <Memfis> Evening, has anyone managed to get dual displays working with ltsp5? Only thing I can find on google is a mention of a pdf from disklessworkstations that doesn't exist anymore.
[20:54] <Slonkie> my laptop (wireless connected) should be able to connect to a windows share at my mediacenter (wired connected) right?
[20:55] <cody-somerville> Slonkie, yup
[20:55] <cody-somerville> Slonkie, Do you see the computer in the browser?
[20:55] <Slonkie> is gigolo "the browser"? :P
[20:56] <Slonkie> gvfs-open: smb://stmc/sp/: error opening location: No application is registered as handling this file
[20:56] <Slonkie> That's the error i'm getting
[20:59] <cody-somerville> hmm
[21:01] <cody-somerville> I get that that location is not mounted
[21:02] <cody-somerville> Do you have the gvfs server and stuff installed?
[21:06] <Slonkie> not that i know if
[21:06] <Slonkie> If it's not "built in" i don't have it
[21:07] <attitudeless> Could someone please help me with installing the Adobe Flash Plugin for Firefox??
[21:08] <Slonkie> Should i install the package "gvfs" cody-somerville ?
[21:08] <ikonia> attitudeless: you're using ubuntu - as you know, not xubuntu
[21:08] <cody-somerville> attitudeless, sure
[21:08] <attitudeless> I have a AMD 64 processor, and when I download the .deb file from Adobe it says my architecture isn't i386
[21:09] <ikonia> attitudeless: as I told you in #ubuntu you need to install the package flashplugin-nonfree
[21:09] <attitudeless> I'm aware I have Ubuntu, however there is a very rude user in the other room, so I will look to more friendly people to answer my questions.
[21:09] <attitudeless> WOW you're everywhere
[21:09] <cody-somerville> Slonkie, You don't already have that installed?
[21:09] <ikonia> attitudeless: no - you are banned from #ubuntu that's why you're here
[21:09] <charlie-tca> attitudeless: If you have the AMD64, it is not i386, so that is correct
[21:09] <Slonkie> yes i noticed i do, cody-somerville.
[21:10] <cody-somerville> attitudeless, Does installing adobe-flashplugin not work?
[21:10] <attitudeless> ikonia- Please just leave me alone. I don't want to deal with you anymore. If you were not so up tight about a PM you would have found out that upon executing your flashplugin-nonfree command in the terminal it gave me an error.
[21:11] <ikonia> attitudeless: you said that, I asked you the error
[21:11] <attitudeless> E: Invalid operation flashplugin-nonfree
[21:11] <ikonia> attitudeless what command did you use, exactly
[21:11] <attitudeless> sudo apt-get install E: Invalid operation flashplugin-nonfree
[21:12] <attitudeless> oops! sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[21:12] <ikonia> attitudeless: and you get E: Invalid operation ?
[21:12] <attitudeless> That is correct
[21:12] <ikonia> attitudeless: please show me the output of "uname -a"
[21:13] <attitudeless> Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Jun 18 14:15:37 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:14] <ikonia> so a 8.04 install
[21:14] <attitudeless> Correct
[21:14] <ikonia> attitudeless: what happens if you do "sudo apt-get install conky" (it should install a small package that is just used for a test)
[21:15] <charlie-tca> ikonia: being a 64-bit system, it probably won't work with the 32-bit plugin, will it?
[21:15] <ikonia> charlie-tca: yes it will
[21:15] <attitudeless> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install conky
[21:15] <attitudeless> Reading package lists... Done
[21:15] <attitudeless> Building dependency tree
[21:15] <attitudeless> Reading state information... Done
[21:15] <attitudeless> E: Couldn't find package conky
[21:15] <ikonia> attitudeless: thats fine,
[21:15] <ikonia> attitudeless: although concerning that you can't see conky
[21:15] <ikonia> attitudeless: sudo apt-get update
[21:16] <attitudeless> done
[21:16] <ikonia> now try conky again
[21:16] <attitudeless> Get:12 http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates/restricted Sources [903B]
[21:16] <attitudeless> Fetched 835kB in 6s (126kB/s)
[21:16] <attitudeless> Reading package lists... Done
[21:16] <attitudeless> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install conky
[21:16] <attitudeless> Reading package lists... Done
[21:16] <attitudeless> Building dependency tree
[21:16] <attitudeless> Reading state information... Done
[21:16] <attitudeless> E: Couldn't find package conky
[21:16] <ikonia> attitudeless: apt-cache search conky
[21:16] <Slonkie> http://paste.ubuntu.com please!
[21:17] <ikonia> (I know conky is not the problem however there does appear to be something more rooted as a problem)
[21:17] <attitudeless> lol okay :)
[21:17] <attitudeless> it just executed it
[21:18] <cody-somerville> attitudeless, Can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[21:19] <attitudeless> bash: pastebin: command not found
[21:19] <ikonia> !pastebin > attitudeless
[21:19] <cody-somerville> pastebin isn't a command
[21:19] <cody-somerville> Visit http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[21:19] <cody-somerville> and paste the contents of the file there
[21:19] <cody-somerville> Then paste the link to the page you create here
[21:21] <attitudeless> Blah, I gotta go. Thanks for the help though.
[21:21] <attitudeless> I guess I will be going back to Windows +o(
[21:21] <cody-somerville> Ok
[21:21] <cody-somerville> Feel free to return when you'd like to try again
[21:22] <ikonia> had to leave - signed straight back in as crazeEEEE420
[21:33] <Rob> hello I have a tech question?
[21:33] <charlie-tca> !question
[21:34] <Rob> I am trying to view other computers on my network and cannot find where to do that any help would be awesome
[21:38] <zoredache> it depends on what you mean by 'view' if you meaan that you want to access windows file shares, then you should look at installing something like pyneighborhood, or fusesmb
[21:38] <zoredache> !fusesmb
[21:40] <Rob> actually when I open applications - system - shouldnt there be a options for network in this menu?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> not in xubuntu
[21:41] <charlie-tca> It is not needed for many people, so why waste the resources ?
[21:41] <Rob> the only reason I ask is because I just switched from ubuntu and looked at the xubuntu documentation and that is where it says I should go to
[21:42] <charlie-tca> Is it Shared Folders?
[21:42] <zoredache> what document are you looking at?  Is it online?  Perhaps the documentation is out of date and needs to be updated
[21:43] <Rob> another place in the documentation says go to places - network but it isnt there either
[21:44] <Rob> was a link through the help menu
[21:44] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[21:44] <Rob> 8.10
[21:45] <Rob> i am just trying to send files back to my computer that I sent off it when switching from ubuntu to xubuntu
[21:45] <charlie-tca> I think it should be Applications -> System-> Shared Folders , but I will research it later in the docs
[21:46] <charlie-tca> I use NFS and SSH to send files back and forth
[21:46] <zoredache> The help menu brings up firefox on my system and has a local uri (file://...) if you can tell what page has that information it would help in getting that part of the docs updated
[21:46] <Rob> ok just a few moments please
[21:48] <zoredache> charlie-tca: does jaunty have the smb thunar patches?
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know, never use smb here. It does have gigolo, for connecting to windows systems
[21:49] <charlie-tca> I thought the smb thunar patch went away when we accepted giglol
[21:49] <charlie-tca> gigolo
[21:49] <zoredache> maybe, I haven't been paying close attention lately
[21:50] <zoredache> something better then fusesmb, or manually mounting things sure would be nice
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: you still here? comments on gigolo
[21:51] <Slonkie> Yep
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Know anything about file sharing with windows?
[21:52] <Slonkie> depends what you mean
[21:53] <charlie-tca> Is it any easier than fusesmb?
[21:54] <Slonkie> i diden't true fusesmb
[21:54] <charlie-tca> well, nm
[21:54] <Slonkie> what's that? an gui for samba or?
[21:54] <charlie-tca> fusesmb is not gui, it is manual labor, I think
[21:54] <zoredache> fusesmb isn't that hard really, it just is stupid because a) your passwords are stored in plain text on the drive b) it doesn't work well with domains)
[21:55] <Slonkie> password for what?
[21:55] <zoredache> or authenticating to the smb server
[21:55] <Pres-Gas> mount.cifs is the way to go really
[21:55] <zoredache> for*
[21:56] <zoredache> Pres-Gas: it gets painful when I access over 15 different servers during the day, and some of them have semi-unreiable connectivity
[21:57] <Pres-Gas> hmmmm...if connectivity is unreliable, there is no real good solutionfor that
[21:58] <zoredache> well the point is, that I don't want the connection to stay mounted unless I am currently using it
[21:58] <nineteenfingers> hey folks... i usually use openSUSE so the wonderful world of *buntu isn't too familiar to me... i'm trying to straighten out a pretty gutless (malware riddled) desktop machine for a relative and since i can't get the suse liveCD to work on here i thought i'd give Xubuntu on here - it's my intention to grab some files from the NTFS partition, push them to another machine for safe keeping, and then obliterate the NTFS partition wi
[21:58] <nineteenfingers> th the built in system-restore feature that came with the machine - then dual boot XP and Linux on it... is there an Xubuntu live CD i can get that'll let me do that stuff? (oh, and i'm only very new to linux myself - i've been dabbling with suse for a few versions now but please consider me a newbie when giving any advice)
[21:58] <Slonkie> Pres-Gas what is mount.cifs?
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Yes, the desktop cd is also a live cd
[21:58] <zoredache> the command line tool for mounting cifs filesystems
[21:59] <Pres-Gas> !smbfs
[21:59] <zoredache> (aka smb1)
[21:59] <charlie-tca> You can download it at http://xubuntu.org/get
[22:00] <nineteenfingers> charlie-tca - and it'll let me access the NTFS partition and push files from that accross a network to an NTFS partition on an XP machine with no linux distro on it? (user abilities allowing of course)
[22:00] <zoredache> it will possible to do that, it will be somewhat tricky though
[22:00] <Slonkie> Anybody aware of an application which will be able to syncronise a folder to an USB stick everytime i plug it in?
[22:01] <zoredache> there isn't any gui installed by default that will allow you to access the network
[22:01] <charlie-tca> A partition should be a partition, as far as it is concerned. It is going across the network that may give issues
[22:01] <Slonkie> windows shares seems hard to get connected to :p
[22:03] <nineteenfingers> right... any suggestions as to a good way to go about this then? i've got a fallback plan going XP to XP to back up these files (all 15.3GB of them - most of them utterly terrible webcam photos i've been begged to save for some reason) but since the machine i'm trying to fix is full of malware i really want to avoid that if possible
[22:04] <Slonkie> well if you only need it to transfer you chould use FTP
[22:04] <nineteenfingers> i might be able to find a 1GB USB stick if that helps matters at all
[22:04] <zoredache> Slonkie: I am not aware of anything.  I suspect I would build a script using unison.  I would thend look around for some what to get the script triggered by whatever is automatically mounting the drive
[22:05] <Slonkie> all right, seems a little too advanced for me.. only been using xubuntu for about a month.
[22:05] <nineteenfingers> Slonkie - i need to transfer a big folder to another computer and then get it back after i've kicked the original box into shape
[22:05] <nineteenfingers> not sure how to go about doing it with ftp though
[22:05] <zoredache> nineteenfingers:  if you have a spare USB drive that is formated fat, that you could make your backup too, that might be easier then backing up accross the network
[22:06] <Slonkie> well surely that is an easier way of doing it
[22:06] <nineteenfingers> zoredache - i've got a 1GB drive and 15.3GB of files to back up
[22:06] <Slonkie> oh
[22:06] <nineteenfingers> haha
[22:06] <Slonkie> Well installing an Free FTP server on your XP pc and then transfering trough FTP is quite easy
[22:07] <Slonkie> local i'm supposing
[22:07] <nineteenfingers> err - as in both on the same network? yea - i'm sitting it my computer between the origin and target machines - all will be hooked up through a router
[22:07] <Slonkie> all right
[22:07] <zoredache> nineteenfingers: you could buy one...   If anything, I think this should be a reminder to you that you need to get a way to have your data backed up seperate from your computer
[22:08] <nineteenfingers> though i could use an ethernet cable (got a crossover lying around somewhere too) to hook one right into the other if i need to
[22:08] <Slonkie> i suppose it 100mbit or above, so 15gb will take about ~30 mins trough ftp
[22:08] <Slonkie> it's
[22:08] <nineteenfingers> zoredache - yea i'm convinced on that matter - just need to get the cash to buy the hardware i need to set up a proper backup system - the folk who own this computer won't be doing that though - money issues
[22:10] <zoredache> anyway, if you get the livecd mounted, and you have an ftp server somewhere on your network, then you should be able to install something like 'gftp-gtk' in the live enviroment and then transfer files
[22:13] <nineteenfingers> before i start this Xubuntu download... 8.10 or 8.04.1? i'm not so much interested in bleeding edge as in a stable system for my auntie to use while her daughters run the XP partition into the ground like usual - she's somewhat computer illiterate and i don't want to be involved too much
[22:14] <Slonkie> 8.10
[22:14] <zoredache> either should be fine, both are pretty stable
[22:15] <zoredache> 8.04 will be supported with security updates a lot longer
[22:16] <Slonkie> wow
[22:16] <nineteenfingers> much difference between them in use? compatibility with software?
[22:16] <forces> 8.04 is the most stable
[22:16] <nineteenfingers> i just thought.... did i just ask a bit of a hot question? i hope not :p
[22:19] <zoredache> nineteenfingers: almost every version of every linux distro is going to have quircks here and there. and depending on how you use the computer you may notice them more with one or the other.  There is nothing in iether 8.04, or 8.10 that is badly broke.  The xorg in 8.10 works better with my video hardware, but may be completely irrelavent to you
[22:21] <nineteenfingers> ah ok - that's as i'd hoped - i think i'll go with 8.04 purely for the security updates thing in that case... i think she'd be more comfortable with that as she worries a lot about security (rightly so with the kind of abuse the system gets from her daughters)
[22:22] <nineteenfingers> though of course, even the most insecure linux system is probably going to be safer than any XP machine in that house :p
[23:46] <shadytim> hi everyone
[23:47] <shadytim> anyone try the intuos4
[23:48] <shadytim> chirp chirp
[23:50] <zoredache> did you have a question, or did you just running a poll?
[23:53] <zoredache> This is a pretty small channel, you might be better off asking that question on ubuntuforums or something.  I suspect that it is pretty unlikely that you will find many active people on IRC that have experience with a particular piece of hardware that was just released a week ago


[15:11] <cYphEr20> hey ... can anyone walk me through getting my ircd-hybird configured?
[15:11] <cYphEr20> I've already downloaded and installed it on slackware 13.1
[15:11] <cYphEr20> but yet still have problems on getting it up runing due to lack of documentation and www.ircd-hybird.org is down
[23:22] <mulambo> what shall I use to mount windows share in xubuntu 10.10? thunar can;t do it


[00:00] <BUGabundo> hggdh: bug id ?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> or the package is not listed on LP
[00:01] <hggdh> bug 352338
[00:01] <ubot4> hggdh: Bug 352338 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/352338 is private
[00:03] <hggdh> ah, found it. One has to click on the down-arrow of the upstream task to change it
[00:11] <tdi> ok filed two bugs, i hope with time I will file better quality reports, but ubuntu-bug is nice
[03:29] <BUGabundo1> I give up.. time for bed.
[04:44] <nellery> Why do people subscribe to bugs in Ubuntu directly from LP rather than from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:44] <nellery> Shouldn't people be restricted to doing this so we don't need to see a long list on every bug report?
[05:42] <Hellow> Could someone please set this as wishlist: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/377157
[05:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377157 in fast-user-switch-applet "support changing status in Skype" [Undecided,New]
[08:30] <Elbrus> anybody know on which channel I can find Build Demaemon Maintainers?
[08:31] <Elbrus> bug 2253 and bug 67544
[08:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 2253 in fpc "fpc needs bootstrapping on buildds" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2253
[08:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 67544 in fpc "PPC build of fpc fails" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67544
[14:51] <caamas> hello
[14:51] <caamas> I'm writing concerning the bug #377239
[14:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377239 in ubuntu "lua 5.1 package installs libraries with wrong name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377239
[14:53] <caamas> the subscriber says that the liblua package is "malformated" on ubuntu/debian because the liblua.so contains the name version
[14:57] <caamas> what should I answer him ?
[14:58] <caamas> and by the way do with the bug ?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> hi
[15:02] <BUGabundo> can any one check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/377269
[15:02] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377269 in transmission "CRC mismatch (computed 19d8e52c wanted b6e98258)" [Undecided,New]
[15:03] <BUGabundo> it has nice attachment of a few erros
[15:03] <BUGabundo> *errors
[15:03] <BUGabundo> or it will once LP refresh
[15:03] <BUGabundo> hey YoBoY
[15:05] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[15:06] <charlie-tca> Good Morning, BUGabundo
[15:06] <BUGabundo> guud afternoon to you too
[15:06] <charlie-tca> are raising bugs again?
[15:07] <BUGabundo> yeo
[15:07] <BUGabundo> have a list of 5 to send in
[15:07] <BUGabundo> first one is in
[15:07] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/transmission/+bug/377269
[15:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377269 in transmission "CRC mismatch (computed 19d8e52c wanted b6e98258)" [Undecided,New]
[15:07] <BUGabundo> now I have 2 for kernel
[15:08] <BUGabundo> one for pidgin, nautilus and gvm
[15:08] <charlie-tca> yay for BUGabundo
[15:08] <BUGabundo> care to take a look at them?
[15:09] <charlie-tca> I will look
[15:09] <BUGabundo> uploading now linux logs for new bug
[15:10] <charlie-tca> Doesn't CRC mismatch make things break?
[15:13] <BUGabundo> next: ogasawara: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377270/
[15:13] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377270 in linux "Call Trace:  <IRQ>  [<ffffffff8025086b>] warn_slowpath_fmt+0xcb/0x120" [Undecided,New]
[15:13] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I don't know. that's why I'm filing bugs... I don't think it's a good idea to have that there
[15:16] <BUGabundo> two down... next one
[15:17] <BUGabundo> any one seeing this : May 16 03:13:25 blubug kernel: [30563.537619] gvfs-gdu-volume[31437]: segfault at 18 ip 00007fe735c312f1 sp 00007fffb2b0d220 error 4 in libgdu.so.0.0.0[7fe735c26000+22000]
[15:28] <BUGabundo> one more https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/377276
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377276 in gvfs "gvfs-gdu-volume[30181]: segfault at 18" [Undecided,New]
[15:28] <BUGabundo> apw: can you take a look ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377270/
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377270 in linux "Call Trace:  <IRQ>  [<ffffffff8025086b>] warn_slowpath_fmt+0xcb/0x120" [Undecided,New]
[15:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: seeing anything that popsup?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> Not really.
[15:33] <BUGabundo> me neither
[15:36] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: np... ill just keep spamming the poor devs inbox
[15:36] <BUGabundo> ehe
[15:36] <charlie-tca> yeah, that usually does something.
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I've learned that IRC is faster to give inicial good state bugs
[15:37] <BUGabundo> but I don't know each package mantainer
[15:42] <charlie-tca> I know very few, myself
[15:43] <BUGabundo> guess I could go and spam #-devel... LOL
[15:43] <BUGabundo> but they already look at me in strange way
[15:44] <BUGabundo> better stay where I'm better known
[15:44] <BUGabundo> ehe
[15:52] <charlie-tca> Yeah, the karmic bugs should get looked at pretty fast. I would add the karmic tag to them.
[15:53] <BUGabundo> U-B should do it for me
[15:53] <BUGabundo> but  always desliked tags on description
[15:53] <BUGabundo> makes me keep busy updating them
[15:54] <charlie-tca> When you file them, click advanced, it gives you the tags box to add a tag to
[15:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:07] <BUGabundo> how do you call the nautilus pop windows?? those small for stuff like about, and file transfer?
[16:12] <Kangarooo> hello I think I found bug in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto#Server%20Autostart%20at%20login%20screen,%20GDM
[16:12] <Kangarooo> I followed that manual and it didn't work
[16:13] <nium-_> Noob Q: Using the "Partition Editor", I am deleting every partition on my USB disk. Then, the "Make USB Startup Disk" tool shows me a "Format" button, which I click. Finally, I click on "Make Startup Disk". The processes finishes, and the USB disk is STILL not bootable. Any clues? Bug? :D
[16:13] <Kangarooo> I have quick synergy installed and then I folowed that link - Server Autostart at login screen, GDM    I have ubuntu as server and xubuntu as client so what else could be wrong then tutorial if at start it mentions quicksynergy and I need the end- autostarting
[16:14] <Kangarooo> so is it good to put my experience and put that by what I was affected - wrong manual so doc team and programm a little different so programm project?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> !usbcreator
[16:15] <ubot4> Factoid 'usbcreator' not found
[16:15] <BUGabundo> nium-_: what version of ubuntu do you have?
[16:15] <nium-_> BUGabundo, 9.04
[16:15] <nium-_> BUGabundo, 9.04, 32 bits.
[16:15] <BUGabundo> some older versions of usb-creator had a few bugs
[16:16] <BUGabundo> and only newer syslinux or a full dd to the usbdisk would fix it
[16:16] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: guess we need to write a factoid?
[16:16] <Nafallo> nium-_: not all usb sticks handles being bootable
[16:17] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: might be too much for one
[16:17] <nium-_> Nafallo, this is a standard Kingston flash disk. I've booted other OS'es from it before. Should work.
[16:17] <BUGabundo> !learn usbcreator is Utility designed to make bootable USB desktop images from Ubuntu CDs.
[16:17] <ubot4> BUGabundo: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:19] <Hellow> lol
[16:20] <BUGabundo> fixed
[16:20] <BUGabundo> dropped the learn
[16:21] <BUGabundo> Nafallo: AFAIK *all* usb sticks can do it!
[16:21] <charlie-tca> yeah?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> !usbcreator
[16:21] <ubot4> Factoid 'usbcreator' not found
[16:21] <BUGabundo> it just may require to use a newer syslinux
[16:21] <BUGabundo> OTOH not all boards support it
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Oh, gotta wait for approval now...
[16:21] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: still need OPs to approve it
[16:24] <nium-_> BUGabundo, I recall running into a similar issue a few months ago, while using 8.10 -- there was a workaround that involved presetting the partitions in a certain way before running the usb creator tool.. Can't seem to locate it.
[16:25] <BUGabundo> nium-_: I just download the lastest syslinux and run it on safe mode
[16:25] <BUGabundo> haven't got a single one that doesn't work like that
[16:25] <BUGabundo> but a simple dd seems to fix most probs too
[16:26] <nium-_> BUGabundo, hmm, interesting.. care to show a noob how to 'dd' his usb disk from a live ubuntu desktop?
[16:26] <BUGabundo> sure
[16:26] <BUGabundo> nium-_: open a terminal
[16:26] <BUGabundo> learn which device is your usb stick
[16:27] <BUGabundo> then $ sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/INSERTHEREDEVICE
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - those CRC mismatch errors you see in valgrind are not really anything to worry about. I see them every time I run valgrind, and they certainly aren't application errors
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> are you actually seeing any issues with transmission?
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> there are no memory errors in your log that would cause a crash
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> if you're seeing a crash, you should probably try and get a backtrace
[16:29] <BUGabundo> hey chrisccoulson
[16:29] <BUGabundo> was about to ping you
[16:29] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: no, transmition was fine
[16:30] <BUGabundo> but when I quited it, it backtrace a few lines
[16:30] <BUGabundo> I stupidlly didn't copy it
[16:30] <BUGabundo> but run valgrind on it just to be sure
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> the valgrind log shows some possible small leaks, but those aren't likely to make it crash
[16:30] <BUGabundo> and saw all those CRCs errors
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> if it's crashing on exit, it would be good to get a backtrace. it might just be aborting for some reason
[16:31] <BUGabundo> let me try to reproduce it
[16:31] <BUGabundo> if I can, ill try to install dbg symbs and gdb it
[16:31] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[16:32] <BUGabundo> nope
[16:32] <BUGabundo> now I only got
[16:32] <BUGabundo> (transmission:9250): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: instance with invalid (NULL) class pointer
[16:32] <BUGabundo> (transmission:9250): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_signal_handler_disconnect: assertion `G_TYPE_CHECK_INSTANCE (instance)' failed
[16:32] <BUGabundo> guess it was something I did while using it
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - the g_critical message would be good to debug
[16:33] <BUGabundo> would it?
[16:33] <BUGabundo> sure... let me get dbg symb for it
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> to work out where a g_critical message comes from, you can run "G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals transmission"
[16:33] <BUGabundo> any idea of what package do I need?
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> this will make it abort when the g_critical occurs and the backtrace will indicate exactly where the messagfe is printed
[16:34] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson:  $ gdb --args G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals transmission   ?
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - transmission-dbgsym, libglib2.0-0-dbgsym and libgtk2.0-0-dbgsym would be the ones you'd most likely need
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - possibly. i sometimes run "G_DEBUG=fatal_criticals gdb" and then run "exec /usr/bin/transmission" in gdb
[16:35] <BUGabundo> E: Couldn't find package transmission-dbgsym
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm
[16:35] <BUGabundo> isn't it on ddeb.u.c ?
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> you got the ddebs repository in your sources.list?
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> it should be there
[16:35] <BUGabundo> let me confirm it
[16:36] <BUGabundo> deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/ddebs/ karmic main restricted universe multiverse
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> ah
[16:36] <BUGabundo> I have it
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> transmission-gtk
[16:36] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> transmission-gtk-dbgsym
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> my bad
[16:37] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/173720/
[16:37] <BUGabundo> depencies hell
[16:37] <BUGabundo> gotta love karmic
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> he
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> you've already got libglib2.0-0-dbg and libgtk2.0-0-dbg installed it seems
[16:38] <BUGabundo> let me over ride it
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure what the other issues are
[16:38] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen
[16:39] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: its KDE depencies
[16:39] <nium-_> BUGabundo, wondering, how long does it usually take you to DD a 2gb flash disk? 'DD' isn't showing progress, but the lights on the disk flicker.. I suppose it's working..
[16:39] <BUGabundo> stuff is still being built for a new lib
[16:39] <BUGabundo> nium-_: may take a while
[16:39] <nium-_> ...define 'a while'?
[16:39] <BUGabundo> but not more then a few minutes
[16:39] <BUGabundo> 5/8 min
[16:39] <nium-_> kay.
[16:40] <nium-_> BUGabundo, no way to have it display a % progress, eh?
[16:41] <BUGabundo> nium-_: $ man dd
[16:43] <BUGabundo> err
[16:43] <BUGabundo> I never manage to get the dpkg overrides working
[16:43] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: may take me a bit more to get those dbg libs
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - no hurry
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> if you can get transmission to abort on that error, then just open a new bug report with the backtrace
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> i'll be around here at various points this afternoon (not all the time though)
[16:49] <BUGabundo> kubuntu ninjas not being very helpful...
[16:49] <BUGabundo> still going around with this
[16:52]  * BUGabundo tries aptitude to see if it saves the day
[16:55] <BUGabundo> brb
[17:10] <BUGabundo1> chrisccoulson: Use the "file" or "exec-file" command.
[17:11] <BUGabundo1> never mind
[17:11] <BUGabundo1> I exected it
[18:10] <Locoken> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5613.0
[18:11] <Locoken> Hi. I just upgraded to Ubuntu 9.04. Now my MP3's play verry fast most of the time. It does not matter what app I use to play them or what size or bitrate they were made at..Any help would be apreciated.
[18:12] <BUGabundo1> Locoken: please refer to #ubuntu channel for support
[18:13] <BUGabundo1> this channel is for bug triage.
[18:13] <Locoken> i did the dont help
[18:14] <BUGabundo1> something tells me English is not even his 3rt language
[20:50] <wantey> hello.
[20:50] <BUGabundo> hi wantey
[20:50] <BUGabundo> how can we help
[20:50] <BUGabundo> ?
[20:51] <wantey> I have big truble. I have pulseaudio 0.9.15 and wine 1.1.21
[20:51] <wantey> when I try listen sound in wine I have error:"err:wave:wodPlayer_WriteMaxFrags Error in writing wavehdr. Reason: Resource temporarily unavailable
[20:51] <wantey> ubuntu 9.04
[20:53] <wantey> And application became unavailable
[20:53] <BUGabundo> wantey: support for jaunty is on #ubuntu, not here
[20:53] <chrisccoulson> hey BUGabundo - you manage to debug that g_critical message in transmission?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> also you are better filing a bug and let the audio team (namely dtchen) look it up
[20:54] <BUGabundo> wantey: for that open a terminal and run: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[20:54] <BUGabundo> a page from Launchpad will open, and please describe your problem, ok wantey?
[20:54] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: nothing there!
[20:54] <BUGabundo> had it running 2 h
[20:55] <BUGabundo> no crashes, no error messages AFAICS
[20:55] <chrisccoulson> hmmmmm. never mind then. i hate bugs that are not reproducible ;)
[20:56] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:56] <BUGabundo> me too
[20:56] <BUGabundo> feel free to close it
[20:56] <BUGabundo> I'll open up again if I get more logs
[20:56] <BUGabundo> sorry for the noise
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> there is a RFC that talks about valid formats of URL's I think - does anyone know off the top of their head what the number of it is?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:02] <BUGabundo> google isn't helping?
[22:02] <BUGabundo> or the *new* search engine?
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> i found a RFC index but it's just a text file and it's not easy finding it
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> there seem to be multiple RFC's with URL in the title
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> hmmm
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> i only asked because of bug 377367
[22:04] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377367 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal doesn't handle colons in URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377367
[22:04] <hggdh> http://www.rfc-editor.org/cgi-bin/rfcsearch.pl
[22:04] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - thanks
[22:05] <hggdh> (not that it will be easier -- but all RFCs will be there) ;-)
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> i'm fairly sure that a colon is not really a valid character in a URL (other than the one after the protocol)
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> i just wanted to check
[22:06] <hggdh> RFC 2396 has the syntax
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - that's the one i was after
[22:07] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[22:07] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: AFAIK comma is not valid
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - yeah, comma's are not valid. but i was wondering if colon's were not valid too
[22:08] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, better get to RFC3986 -- (Obsoletes RFC2732, RFC2396, RFC1808, Updates RFC1738, plus Errata)
[22:08] <hggdh> I do not think a colon is valid, but...
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> thanks hggdh. i'll check. i'm fairly certain that it's not valid, but it would be nice to reference the RFC in the bug report when i close it
[22:08] <hggdh> there's RFCs, and there's Microsoft
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> lol
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ehehehheeheheheheh
[22:09] <hggdh> OK. Time for me to go back offline... all y'all, good evening
[22:09] <chrisccoulson> see ya hggdh
[22:09] <hggdh> see ya, chrisccoulson , BUGabundo
[22:10] <BUGabundo> bye
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> hey BUGabundo - i notice you're an ubuntu member now
[22:11] <chrisccoulson> congrats:)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> yep I am...
[22:11] <BUGabundo> its good to finally manage to make it into a meeting
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I kept having bad scheduled dates
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> what time did you manage to make it in to a meeting?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> at 9pm GMT
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> that's not too bad
[22:15] <BUGabundo> it started one hour before
[22:15] <BUGabundo> before that I didn't even manage to attend
[22:15] <chrisccoulson> i think i'm going to apply for motu this weekend, and i hope i can get a time similar to that
[22:15] <BUGabundo> before that, it lasted so long it didn't get to my turn
[22:15] <BUGabundo> good luck with the application
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> I'm thinking of applying to bug control
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> yeah, you should
[22:16] <BUGabundo> but I'm not as good as hggdh eheh
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> lol. noone is;)
[22:16] <BUGabundo> nor I have all those many bugs triaged
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> i have to admit, i haven't done much bug triaging recently
[22:16] <BUGabundo> but I have far more external BTS accounts then hggdh ehehe
[22:16] <chrisccoulson> i seem to spend all my time trying to fix tracker problems
[22:17] <BUGabundo> rofl
[22:17] <BUGabundo> so what catch your attention for transmission?
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> i'm subscribed to the transmission bugs automatically;)
[22:18] <BUGabundo> ehhe
[22:18] <chrisccoulson> transmission is a good example of how packages should be maintained
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> upstream are very responsive, and the package doesn't really have any delta from upstream
[22:19] <BUGabundo> great
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> and bugs are fixed very quickly
[22:19] <BUGabundo> but its tooooo simple
[22:19] <BUGabundo> I need an advanced BT client
[22:19] <BUGabundo> tried deluge for a long time
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> but it doesn't get many bug reports for a package that is installed by default
[22:19] <BUGabundo> but it sucks
[22:20] <BUGabundo> full of bugs lots of deltas, even PPA isn't in sync
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> i used to use deluge, but i don't need all the features really
[22:20] <BUGabundo> fails to build on 64bits from time to time
[22:20] <BUGabundo> and doesn't finishes downloads, even after it says its 100%
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> i always thought transmission was too simple too - but then i realised that i don't actually use any of the extra features that other clients provide
[22:20] <BUGabundo> so last week I got back to azureus
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i've used azureus before
[22:21] <BUGabundo> I started back when I was on Wind
[22:21] <BUGabundo> with version 1.x
[22:21] <BUGabundo> its now on 4.x
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> i think i used to use uTorrent on windows
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> that was some time ago though;)
[22:21] <BUGabundo> but ubuntu packs vuze/azureus very slowlly
[22:22] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: I could file some wishbugs on transmission but that would change how simple it is
[22:22] <BUGabundo> I need at least one: to let me choose where to put complete files, per torrent
[22:23] <BUGabundo> oh and move data while incomplete
[22:23] <BUGabundo> and of course QUEUE....
[22:23] <BUGabundo> bahhh
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> i wouldn't worry too much about that. charles (the upstream developer) is very active on LP and will quickly close any he doesn't agree with
[22:23] <chrisccoulson> it probably wouldn't harm to open reports for things that you think transmission should have
[22:25] <BUGabundo> come on the QUEUE is a basic
[22:25] <BUGabundo> ehe
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that would be quite nice. although i don't think i download enough torrents to use a feature like that
[22:26] <jcastro> right
[22:26] <jcastro> simple default ftw!
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> i find the transmission code somewhat confusing though :-/
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> i helped fix a small bug a little while ago where it wouldn't use the correct download directory by default, and it was really difficult to find
[22:32] <BUGabundo> jcastro: I like it simple too.... but not having a basic feature doesn't make it not simpler
[22:33] <jcastro> *shrug*
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> hey andersk. i noticed you sent bug 377367 upstream
[22:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 377367 in gnome-terminal "gnome-terminal doesn't handle colons in URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/377367
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> upstream will close that bug report as it is invalid
[22:34] <chrisccoulson> the colon is a reserved character according to RFC 3986, and the reporters URL in invalid
[23:43] <YoBoY> BUGabundo: hey :) sorry for the lag i was busy :p
[23:44] <BUGabundo> hehe
[23:44] <BUGabundo> no problemo my friend


[12:35] <andreslazo> hi
[14:05] <kgunn> for those waiting, apologies, just wrestling with google hangout
[14:07] <kgunn> ok, getting started
[14:14] <xnox> kgunn: did you start the hangout? what's the public viewers youtube url? can you add it to the event on summit http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22290/utopic-ue-unity8-mir-roadmap/
[14:15] <kgunn> xnox: is this the link https://plus.google.com/events/cvh4cv9p078dkuc6dcruc4frlso
[14:15] <Laney> it needs to work on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22290/utopic-ue-unity8-mir-roadmap/
[14:16] <kgunn> xnox:  or this http://youtu.be/xhwV-mAtru4
[14:16] <xnox> kgunn: this later one youtu.be should be added to the summit page
[14:16] <xnox> yeah!
[14:16] <xnox> all is good now
[14:16] <xnox> =)
[14:17] <xnox> haha! we now have a video guide on how to do the hangout =)
[14:17] <Laney> you might want to edit this video when it goes live ;-)
[14:18] <xnox> kgunn: click present button to get the slides bigger?
[14:18] <ppisati> full screen please
[14:19] <xnox> kgunn: \o/ yeah =)
[14:38] <kgunn> any questions?
[14:40] <kgunn> link of ozone-mir demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umuNhpass4Y
[14:40] <kgunn> link of Qtcomp prep work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4wtaDdzkGw
[15:03] <dpm> slangasek, can you or any other track lead start the hangout for the upcoming session?
[15:03] <dpm> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22283/utopic-ue-unity-api-roadmap/
[15:03] <alecu> hi, may I ask for the Hangout URL?
[15:04] <slangasek> dpm: er, my understanding was that session leads were supposed to run these this time, not track leads (per mhall119)
[15:05] <sil2100> Hey
[15:05] <dobey> who is the session lead?
[15:05] <pstolowski> thostr, ^
[15:05] <sil2100> thostr: how's the hangout setup going?
[15:05] <dpm> slangasek, sil2100 it seems thostr is having issues starting the hangout
[15:05] <dpm> so I was wondering if a track lead could help
[15:05] <sil2100> Ok, let me try then
[15:05] <sil2100> thostr: let me try doing that and see how it goes, ok?
[15:06] <dpm> thanks sil2100
[15:07] <thostr> otherwise I just open another public hangout
[15:07] <sil2100> Doing
[15:07] <thostr> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/thomas
[15:08] <sil2100> thostr: wait
[15:08] <sil2100> Or did you already set it up?
[15:09] <thostr> I could, but that won't have the recording
[15:09] <sil2100> thostr: ok, so I continue then
[15:09] <thostr> or, will it do automatically?
[15:09] <thostr> alecu: pstolowski: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/thomas
[15:10] <pete-woods> thostr: do you want me in this hangout? or not
[15:10] <sil2100> Crap, compiz crashed...
[15:10] <sil2100> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYerGDIE3y1vTKVPeC8OBMAMBVt1guG7O79w1XgO6XZtT9ZuUw?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:10] <sil2100> Use this one
[15:11] <sil2100> Everything set up, please join in
[15:11] <thostr> pete-woods:yes, if you want
[15:11] <sil2100> pete-woods: pstolowski: ^
[15:47] <sil2100> o/
[16:00] <cjwatson> working on setting up the hangout now
[16:02] <cjwatson> hangout url should work now
[16:03] <cjwatson> anyone other than me want to join the hangout before I put it on air?
[16:04] <wgrant> Possibly me?
[16:04] <lool> coming
[16:04] <lool> hmm if I can find the hangout link
[16:04] <rickspencer3> o/ cjwatson
[16:04] <slangasek> the hangout link doesn't seem to let me join a hangout
[16:04] <cjwatson> lool: should be in summit?
[16:05]  * ogra_ stays o IRC ... connection issues today
[16:05] <cjwatson> try https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYf5VdaMh7Vxpn2RqBxQ16x9bqX7jXIh1p5TuvlQ2Vy8AyLY7Q?authuser=1
[16:06] <bhuey> waiting
[16:06] <cjwatson> summit should work now
[16:06] <lool> thanks, I alway landed on the streaming page for some reason
[16:07] <bhuey> heard voices
[16:07] <lool> cjwatson: stream works
[16:07] <wgrant> There we go, live now.
[16:07] <ogra_> all fine
[16:07] <schwuk-uos> works
[16:07] <bhuey> got it
[16:07] <apw> yep here
[16:07] <rickspencer3> working cjwatson
[16:10]  * schwuk-uos waves on behalf of PES
[16:11] <ogra_> hmm, why cant we just use the archive sources.list ? only "developers" will use debs anyway
[16:12] <ogra_> i would expect these to actually wanting to use debs from the devel release
[16:12] <wgrant> ogra_: This is for image builds.
[16:12] <wgrant> We need to have a stable base from which we can build images.
[16:13] <ogra_> wgrant, well, we create a sources.list at the end of the build
[16:13] <ogra_> which imho should just point to the archive
[16:13] <ogra_> indeed we need a PPA based one during build
[16:21] <ogra_> ci train -> i thought we wanted to land in the normal distro first and then migrate packages from there
[16:21] <ogra_> sounnds like your proposal is the other way round
[16:22] <lool> cjwatson: so archive admin will be same team as for Ubuntu
[16:22] <lool> ?
[16:23] <ogra_> ah
[16:23] <ogra_> cjwatson, thanks !
[16:24] <lool> cjwatson: just a single new archive?
[16:24] <asac> Q: will launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm be throwaway after our RTM milestone this summer or is that something we will continue to use to prep and produce our future stable releases from too?
[16:24] <ogra_> the former
[16:24] <lool> cjwatson: it's just the touch packagesets in the new archive though?
[16:25] <ogra_> lool, yeah
[16:25] <ogra_> only the seed
[16:25] <cjwatson> not quite
[16:25] <cjwatson> will answer at end
[16:25] <ogra_> k
[16:26] <asac> yeah lets talk later :)
[16:28] <ogra_> i imagine that we should future RTMs simply base on stable releases we have out by then ... only if a venndor wants to wait for the next stable explicitly they can do that (or pay for a forked RTM)
[16:29] <ogra_> (since i think that is the purpose of having a generic rootfs)
[16:30] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[16:30] <schwuk-uos> ogra_: ideally, yes, we will base off stable releases. We'll see what reality brings us :-)
[16:31] <ogra_> indeed
[16:31] <asac> maybe we produce stable releases out of ubuntu-rtm :)
[16:31] <asac> hehe
[16:31] <ogra_> but i think forked RTMs should be a paid service then ;)
[16:31] <ogra_> asac, baware !
[16:31] <asac> so ubuntu-rtm feeds into stable-proposed channel
[16:31] <lool> cjwatson: ack ok
[16:31] <lool> probably will pull most of main via build-dep chains I guess
[16:32] <ogra_> asac, no, ubuntu feeds into stable ... utopic will bee todays RTM with cream and cherry on top ... that should be our base for the next 6 months
[16:32] <ogra_> (for other RTMs that occur during this timeframe)
[16:32] <lool> cjwatson: would you have a link to the slides?
[16:33] <asac> dont think i agree :)... cjwatson is right, we have to check what happens
[16:34] <cjwatson> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/presentation/d/1XARuA8-hsIQX1Xjj7jw2Nq4TrzoclhyTqJTla5otGws/edit#slide=id.p
[16:34] <asac> cjwatson: you can just link the slides in the youtube description after. that would be cool
[16:34] <lool> cjwatson: works from an incognito window
[16:34] <schwuk-uos> cjwatson:our goal is to ultimately use stock RootFS, but the reality is for the short term we will continue to roll custom ones. The tentative requirement of basing our custom one off a certain RTM image has already been raised. Any ideas on how to simplify this?
[16:34] <bhuey> cjwatson: works
[16:35] <ogra_> schwuk-uos, you should mostly be able to use the rootfs as is today already
[16:35] <ogra_> there are a handfull of files that we will need to move
[16:35] <ogra_> which is on my TODO before RTM
[16:36] <schwuk-uos> cjwatson: we want to avoid lots of snapshots (as we currently have)
[16:36] <asac> schwuk-uos: what is a snapshot?
[16:36] <ogra_> why do you do them today ?
[16:37] <ogra_> the phone rootfs should already be usable without doing any snaphots
[16:37] <asac> what is a snapshot? :P
[16:37] <asac> a copy of the archive or what?
[16:37] <cjwatson> slide 3
[16:37] <asac> oh
[16:38] <asac> yeah
[16:38] <asac> so i would have hoped that we can work togehter with PES on the ubuntu-rtm distro
[16:38] <schwuk-uos> asac: yes - we have internal archives of given points in time of an Ubuntu release
[16:38] <asac> to produce their images
[16:38] <ogra_> asac, please lets re-think that for the actual archive
[16:39] <asac> anyway, tbdlater
[16:39] <ogra_> not focus on the RTM forking ...
[16:39] <asac> wait :)
[16:39] <ogra_> that should stay a special thing
[16:39] <asac> ogra_: i strongly agree and noone says we are forking
[16:39] <ogra_> not something regular
[16:39] <schwuk-uos> cjwatson: it's a fuzzy requirement at the moment, just wanted to share my stress :-)
[16:39] <cjwatson> ack
[16:39] <ogra_> asac, ok :)
[16:39] <asac> the rtm thing is just there to get the fixes etc. that schwuk-uos needs in imo
[16:39] <asac> so i was hoping we can avoid need another snapshot layer etc.
[16:40] <ogra_> well, what we produce in the archive should become good enough for schwuk-uos to use ... very simple ... customization should be done via the customization tarballs
[16:40] <ogra_> not via PPAs
[16:40] <slangasek> related to treating them as ubuntu bugs... will we have ddebs?
[16:40] <slangasek> without that, having the crashes may not be useful
[16:41] <asac> wgrant: cjwatson: so how much work do you think is needed to finish dervied archive?
[16:41] <schwuk-uos> ogra_: ideally, yes, but current projects are using custom Android and RootFS - the customisation tarball doesn't work for some requirements right now.
[16:41] <asac> schwuk-uos: did you run those cases through someone?
[16:41] <ogra_> schwuk-uos, you will always have to use custom android
[16:41] <asac> schwuk-uos: would be cool to ru those through us every other week :)
[16:41] <ogra_> schwuk-uos, but with the same rootfs
[16:42] <asac> even if we cannot solve them its important to keep those problems thought off
[16:42] <schwuk-uos> asac: will follow up with you
[16:43] <xnox> wgrant: weren't ddebs suppose to move into launchpad?
[16:43] <cjwatson> blocked on prodstack4
[16:43] <cjwatson> in general, for disk space reasons
[16:44] <cjwatson> but as wgrant says we may be able to do it just for this
[16:44] <schwuk-uos> ogra_: we're using custom RootFS for things like updated/replacment packages e.g. ofono was one used recently
[16:44] <ogra_> schwuk-uos, right, thats wrong and we need to find a way to get your stuff into the main ofono then
[16:45] <schwuk-uos> ogra_: john-mcaleely and team are doing that, but some projects are moving too fast. As I said, we view the custom RootFS as a short-term thing.
[16:45] <ogra_> yeah, for development thats surely a good option
[16:45] <lool> it's kind of sad we're using lots of space to publish the archive and ddebs twice when 90% will be unmodified
[16:46] <ogra_> as loong as we can make sure your stuff is in the final stable rootfs
[16:46] <asac> lool: how do you measure that sadness?
[16:46] <lool> asac: it's about :-((
[16:46] <asac> lool: i would measure that with potential monetary waste :)
[16:46] <lool> on a scale of :-( to :-(((((
[16:46] <ogra_> money is cheap
[16:46] <asac> thats probably marginally close to 0
[16:47] <wgrant> Launchpad does have plans to make duplicated archives basically free disk-wise, but I don't quite have time to implement it just yet.
[16:47] <wgrant> Maybe in a year :/
[16:47] <lool> asac: anyway, didn't bring it up in the ho cause it's
[16:47] <asac> doesnt feel really important to me to optimize space if its not going to mirrors
[16:47] <asac> sure :)
[16:47] <lool> just a detail that doesn't matter technically
[16:47] <cjwatson> I don't think it's a big deal, no
[16:48] <xnox> cjwatson: is livefs building lp depends on prodstack4? or is scalingstack separate from that?
[16:48] <wgrant> xnox: It doesn't really depend on either.
[16:48] <xnox> wgrant: cool.
[16:49] <wgrant> The extra librarian space from PS4 would be nice, but not a requirement.
[16:50] <cjwatson> it isn't going to be using scalingstack even when scalingstack first lands
[16:50] <cjwatson> it will eventually when scalingstack takes over the world
[16:51] <xnox> ok. didn't know scalingstack is planned for gradual roll out. sounds all good then.
[16:51] <wgrant> xnox: scalingstack is just taking over PPA builds to start.
[16:51] <cjwatson> scalingstack will take over the PPA build farm first
[16:51] <rickspencer3> thanks cjwatson
[16:51] <cjwatson> but livefses will build on what's currently labelled the distro build farm
[16:51] <asac> thanks cjwatson
[16:51] <cjwatson> that is, devirtualised builders
[16:51] <ogra_> thanks !!
[16:51] <sil2100> Thanks o/
[16:52] <schwuk-uos> cjwatson: thanks
[16:52] <asac> cjwatson: if you didnt get my suggestion: the youtube video is in your youtube account so you can just link the slides there to make that a more useful contribution to history :)
[16:52] <asac> in the description
[16:52] <asac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8EYQb6vJC0#t=610
[16:52] <asac> err
[16:53] <cjwatson> Yep, I'm just waiting for it to finish uploading and show up in my account
[16:53] <asac> ack
[16:53] <cjwatson> OK, linked now
[16:54] <asac> perfect
[16:54] <asac> thanks
[17:02] <rsalveti> all good
[20:54] <viol> giggity


[14:38] <javier4> Hi all- I'm trying to port Ubuntu Touch to my device. Now I have to apply AppArmor patches to my 3.10.72 kernel but I'm having trouble following the guide. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/AppArmorForPhabletKernels
[14:38] <javier4> Which repo&&branch should I clone for my kernel? I found this interesting repo http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jj/linux-apparmor-backports, but I can't figure out if that's what I need, and what branch should I choose.
[14:41] <rtg> jjohansen, ^^
[14:41] <apw> javier4, i would think the apparmor ones are likely in there.  though i would be tempted to use a similar level kernel from one of the main releases
[14:54]  * javier4 I don't know if I understood your message. Anyway I tried to use this kernel from this device https://github.com/usb-bullhead-ubuntu-touch/kernel_msm, but I think it lacks the squashed apparmor patches commit
[14:54]  * javier4 @apw ^
[14:57] <apw> javier4, i think i would have to defer to jjohansen in this regard
[14:57] <apw> i am slightly suspicious that we are on version4 patches now
[15:04] <javier4> exactly. That's another doubt I have. The wiki page is quite old (over 1 year) and talk about old kernel and old apparmor version. The only thing that seems logic to me is this branch v3.10-backport-of-v4.0-aa3.0-RC1
[15:04] <javier4> If I understood the chaotic repo description, it should mean that's a backport of AppArmor 3.0RC1 from a 4.0 kernel to a 3.10 one.
[15:04] <apw> i would read it that way too.  ugg 3.10 just no
[16:49] <King_InuYasha> anyone know what the progress has been on upstreaming the Ubuntu AppArmor changes?
[16:59] <jdstrand> King_InuYasha: it has been slow going of late but at the top of the queue and parts are planned to go up during the 17.04 cycle (and continue after that)
[17:00] <jdstrand> King_InuYasha: for more specifics, you might talk to ty hicks when he is online next week
[17:01] <jdstrand> (he isn't doing the upstreaming but knows the timelines)
[18:38] <javier4> I cloned the whole repo git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/jj/linux-apparmor-backports
[18:38] <javier4> I know that there's this commit http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/jj/linux-apparmor-backports/commit/?h=v3.10-backport-of-v4.0-aa3.0-RC1&id=032f9cfb647704388b6ccaefe25a036c5d3f5f86
[18:38] <javier4> why on my local copy I can't find it?
[18:52] <apw> javier4, "git show 032f9cfb647704388b6ccaefe25a036c5d3f5f86" does not even show it ?
[18:52]  * javier4 I tried that while you were writing. Actually it does. It seems that only gitk can't find it. Strange.
[18:55]  * javier4 3 RC1 is really the newest backport for kernel 3.10?
[21:47] <jjohansen> apw: yeah the goal of that repo is to bring it back to 3.10, as that was the target of the phones. The more recent stuff has only been taken back to 4.0/4.1 however as I haven't had time to do the 3.10 backport and it has been deprioritized
[21:47] <jjohansen> it is a little chaotic, but the goal was to have a branch per kernel version with the backported apparmor version