[12:28] <maddler> but the package wasn't there...
[12:28] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:28] <maddler> some _maybe_ something went wrong during upgrade...
[12:28] <Vessquire> Is there a headquarters for Canonical? Where whoever says release sits?
[12:28] <maddler> something
[12:28] <PriceChild> Vessquire, canonical is registered on the isle of man
[12:28] <maddler> Vessquire: on a boat in the middle of the ocean...
[12:28] <PriceChild> Vessquire, a tax haven off of england
[12:29] <maddler> is the isle of man a tax heaven?
[12:29] <Vessquire> ya
[12:29] <maddler> doh... didn't knew that...
[12:29] <EmxBA> :D
[12:29] <maddler> funny...
[12:29] <d4rky> EmxBA, I think I have UTC+1 but I'm not sure
[12:29] <d4rky> arr, not UTC+1 :P
[12:30] <sotec_> If I were to use a program like PartImage to copy the entire image of my OS, and copy it over to a larger hard drive, as long as i copy it starting with the first sector of my new hard drive, would Feisty boot up like it does now? Or is it smarter to just install Feisty onto the new hdd, copy over my /var and /home folders, which would mean losing all of my configurations/menu settings/extra installed programs, etc?
[12:30] <d4rky> geez, i'm tired. UTC+1 and eot
[12:30] <Vessquire> I doubt whoever is on the isle of man though
[12:31] <PriceChild> most canonical people work from home
[12:31] <Amaranth> london
[12:31] <PriceChild> well not most
[12:31] <Amaranth> the location you're looking for is london
[12:31] <PriceChild> its not registered there though
[12:31] <Amaranth> but it's not going to happen at midnight their time
[12:31] <mc44> Amaranth: actually norway is the key country
[12:32] <Amaranth> it's probably not going to happen for another 6 hours at least :P
[12:32] <Amaranth> mc44: why is that?
[12:32] <mc44> Amaranth: as Mithrandir is release manager
[12:32] <Amaranth> ah, right
[12:32] <Amaranth> well, i still don't think it'll happen at any special time
[12:32] <EmxBA> nice, Amaranth  :)
[12:32] <PriceChild> everyone always hopes...
[12:32] <maddler> Amaranth: true...
[12:32] <Vessquire> 6 hours will be midnight EST
[12:32] <PriceChild> never does
[12:33] <maddler> it will be released "tomorrow" :)
[12:33] <Amaranth> Vessquire: actually it'll be 12:30 am EDT
[12:33] <Vessquire> EDT, you're right.. I'm used to the old Indiana time
[12:33] <Amaranth> 12:33 am EDT if you want to be anal :)
[12:33] <Vessquire> Its a bit unnerving the way the Herd 6 and the RC were skipped though
[12:33] <Amaranth> 6 hours is closer to my midnight :P
[12:34] <jash> mc44: 00_33 here :)
[12:34] <Amaranth> #ubuntu is going to be full of people bitching about compiz
[12:34] <maddler> Amaranth: hahahahaha... true!
[12:34] <mc44> jash: :)
[12:34] <uvercinka>  hi. when will be feisty fawn will be released
[12:34] <Amaranth> the last upload feisty got for compiz broke it so badly
[12:34] <maddler> and my phone will keep ringing all day long!
[12:34] <crdlb> I think the topic needs to be redone in CAPS :)
[12:34] <mc44> Amaranth: really? how?
[12:35] <Amaranth> mc44: how would you like to have 1 panel?
[12:35] <Amaranth> like, it only shows on your first workspace
[12:35] <EmxBA> I'm going to sleep now :) and get some batteries for next 24 hours of waiting for Feisty ;)
[12:35] <mc44> Amaranth: ah, i fixed that in gnome-compiz-preferences I think
[12:35] <mc44> Amaranth: assumed it was my fault
[12:36] <Amaranth> mc44: not something you can fix in gnome-compiz-preferences...
[12:36] <cables> Are bugs going to continue to be fixed after release?
[12:36] <cables> It seems like a sort of hectic, rushed release to me, no offense..
[12:36] <Amaranth> you're talking about only having one workspace, i'm talking about only having a panel on the first workspace
[12:36] <mc44> Amaranth: worked for me...
[12:36] <gnomefreak> cables: security fixes only
[12:36] <Amaranth> cables: not for compiz
[12:36] <mc44> Amaranth: oh maybe I am confused
[12:36] <cables> Will they do something like thay did for 6.06 (6.06.1)?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> no
[12:36] <mc44> Amaranth: I have one long workspace, which takes the space of 4 normal ones
[12:36] <gnomefreak> 6.06 == LTS
[12:37] <crdlb> only if they missed someting big :)
[12:37] <cables> gnomefreak, will they fix ANY bugs at all besides security?
[12:37] <LjL> yeah
[12:37] <LjL> some
[12:37] <gnomefreak> cables: depends on importance
[12:37] <LjL> see feisty-updates
[12:37] <cables> ok
[12:39] <mc44> Amaranth: have you got a bug no for the problem?
[12:40] <shoot^> was the gnome control center removed from feisty? im running the beta and have the cascading menus...
[12:40] <crdlb> shoot^, you can add it back in alacarte I think
[12:40] <jpsamara> Ubuntu is down... release is comming
[12:40] <shoot^> crdlb - i see, so its not *actually* in feisty by default?
[12:41] <Angeluz> shoot^: Mine is enabled.
[12:41] <shoot^> hmmm :S
[12:41] <maddler> jpsamara: also consider how many ppl are trying to access that site... ;)
[12:41] <mc44> jpsamara: er... I doubt it
[12:41] <crdlb> shoot^, you just have to check it in the menu editor
[12:41] <shoot^> ah, seen :)
[12:41] <melon> maddler: I do ;)
[12:42] <melon> but is't down...
[12:42] <boricua> is there a time for the release tomorrow?
[12:42] <crdlb> no
[12:42] <mc44> boricua: see topic
[12:42] <concept10> what is up with people asking everyday about the release?  What you have now is pretty much final.
[12:43] <melon> ouh, after a while OLD ubuntu.com appeared!
[12:43] <concept10> Why wait until tommorw, or even next week?
[12:44] <jpsamara> tomorrow = today at UTC
[12:44] <melon> I guess to many people trying to open it. Maybe better luck tomorrow at UTC ?
[12:44] <maddler> concept10: infact I just finished upgrading...
[12:45] <maddler> concept10: also considering tomorrow repositories will be overloaded... ;)
[12:45] <d4rky-pl> 15 minutest to UTC 0:00
[12:45] <peter77> 1 day until release
[12:45] <concept10> maddler, thats a good thought
[12:46] <concept10> I don't know why people wait until final release.  It's not like 2000 bugs will be squashed before then.
[12:46] <concept10> Its almost like kids waiting for Christmas
[12:46] <peter77> lol, ubuntu fiesty was pretty stable in beta
[12:46] <concept10> lined up at the tree :)
[12:48] <sotec_prod> so much infact, that I want to transfer my entire setup to another hard drive
[12:48] <concept10> Its good to update early in my opinion.  When stuff breaks, you learn more about the system
[12:48] <sotec_prod> guess I should see if the harddrive is even accessable first.
[12:48] <sotec_prod> same here os2mac
[12:48] <os2mac> anyone got a wag on when the dist upgrade will be avail?
[12:48] <sotec_prod> 20th
[12:49] <maddler> concept10: I know... ;)
[12:49] <os2mac> thought it was 19th?
[12:50] <sotec_prod> i don't know, either way, it's close
[12:50] <sotec_prod> i doubt i'll have it on the exact day it releases
[12:50] <aaroncampbell> I think I have a folder shared via nfs...how would I mount it from another computer?
[12:50] <sotec_prod> is it coming in the form of an upgrade or an official fresh download/install?
[12:50] <crdlb> aaroncampbell, put it in your /etc/fstab
[12:51] <maddler> damn... a little help... there was an app... which basically made gnome/GTK apps using kde/QT theme... but can't recall its name!!!
[12:51] <sotec_prod> Aquamarine or somehting
[12:51] <sotec_prod> maddler
[12:51] <vio> sweet
[12:51] <sotec_prod> and helios is the gnome gtk one
[12:51] <maddler> sotec_prod: no... that will only apply to window decorations...
[12:51] <sotec_prod> or heliodor
[12:51] <maddler> but font sizes won't match...
[12:51] <sotec_prod> oh
[12:51] <vio> is the Rc out yet?
[12:51] <crdlb> maddler, gtk-qt engine?
[12:51] <crdlb> something like that
[12:51] <sotec_prod> dunno then
[12:51] <mc44> vio: see the link in the topic
[12:52] <maddler> crdlb: yup...
[12:52] <maddler> lemme google with that...
[12:52] <vio> sweeet
[12:52] <maddler> crdlb: great! thank you...
[12:52] <maddler> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/GTK-QT+Theme+Engine?content=20042
[12:52] <maddler> if someone cares...
[12:53] <vio> ok.. i just bought the Sound Blaster audiogy 2zs notebook (pcmcia) how to install ?
[12:53] <aaroncampbell> crdlb: how about for a one time thing?
[12:54] <aaroncampbell> crdlb: is there just a way using the mount command?
[12:54] <maddler> concept10: yep... is good to upgrade early... but not when you need to have your laptop always working... ;)
[12:54] <concept10> maddler, ive done it for two years now.. on main laptop..  every time it's broken (usually something with X) ive been able to fix
[12:55] <concept10> maddler, it's only made my knowledge stronger
[12:55] <NemesisD> is ubuntu.com slashdotted or something?
[12:55] <maddler> concept10: yep... I know... but sometime you need time to fix it...
[12:55] <maddler> NemesisD: well... maybe...
[12:55] <NemesisD> i think on their time feisty fawn should be released, i'm trying to get my grubby hands on it :[
[12:55] <concept10> maddler, yeah, and I guess sometimes you dont have time :)
[12:55] <crdlb> !nfs | aaroncampbell
[12:55] <ubotu> aaroncampbell: nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[12:56] <Centaur5> My nvidia driver is working correctly and I can run xconfig and do dual displays but glxinfo says extension glx is missing. Xorg log is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16324/
[12:56] <NemesisD> is there somewhere else i should be looking?
[12:56] <maddler> concept10: right... I know I can fix... but sometime I can't wait to fix...
[12:56] <concept10> maddler, yeah, i agree
[12:56] <maddler> btw... today I did a whole-disk backup with partimage... :)
[12:57] <sotec_prod> guess i'll try that hard drive, see if it's savable.
[12:57] <crdlb> Centaur5, did you use the ubuntu packages?
[12:57] <maddler> so if something went wrong with upgrade I would have been able to restore..
[12:57] <Centaur5> crdlb: Yes, I install nvidia-glx yesterday
[12:57] <crdlb> Centaur5, on what video card?
[12:57] <Centaur5> crdlb: mobile 7300
[12:58] <crdlb> Centaur5, you ought to use nvidia-glx-new
[12:58] <concept10> maddler, Ive been on this same install since Hoary.. Im amazed that it still works...  I think its time for a fresh install, but I feel comfortable with this one
[12:58] <maddler> concept10: same here...
[12:58] <Centaur5> crdlb: haha, when did they start using that package?
[12:58] <crdlb> Centaur5, a couple of weeks ago
[12:58] <maddler> and I also moved it on different laptops... :)
[12:58] <misfit_toy> since hoary here too
[12:58] <Eleaf> Does anybody here know a way to pipe something from a windows machine into my pulseaudio sound server on my linux machine?
[12:59] <maddler> concept10: hehehe... so... yes! it's amazing it still work! :D
[12:59] <Centaur5> crdlb: Oops, I didn't get the memo.  :)
[12:59] <concept10> im thinking the cruft is starting to build up, but I could be wrong
[12:59] <maddler> concept10: as long as everything works fine...
[01:00] <NemesisD> is there some other mirror other than ubuntu.com (which is just impossible to access right now) where I can download the feisty isos?
[01:00] <Centaur5> crdlb: Will there be a new config utility as well?
[01:00] <concept10> I hate when you remove applications and they leave junk behind.. I dont care if its one file.
[01:00] <d4rky-pl> DING!!! 0:00 GMT if i'm counting right
[01:00] <mc44> d4rky-pl: doesnt mean its getting released yet
[01:00] <NemesisD> mc44, WHAAA?
[01:00] <mc44> and you arent counting right
[01:00] <mc44> @now utc
[01:00] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: April 18 2007, 23:00:42 - Next meeting: Development Team in 15 hours 59 minutes
[01:00] <d4rky-pl> right
[01:00] <d4rky-pl> i forgot
[01:00] <aaroncampbell> thanks crdlb ....reading
[01:00] <crdlb> Centaur5, it has a better nvidia-settings
[01:01] <crdlb> Centaur5, nvidia-xconfig is mostly the same afaik though
[01:01] <os2mac> @now EDT
[01:01] <mc44> NemesisD: it isnt going to be released at midnight. At least not midnight utc
[01:01] <Centaur5> crdlb: Okay, well it just installed so I'll reboot x and see what happens then come back with the results.
[01:01] <maddler> d4rky-pl: it's not x-mas night! ;)
[01:01] <welshchris> Yup, currently 23.00 GMT, or 0.00  BST
[01:01] <d4rky-pl> maddler, stfu :P
[01:02] <mc44> !stfu | d4rky-pl
[01:02] <ubotu> d4rky-pl: Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[01:02] <d4rky-pl> I just forgot about daylight saving time
[01:02] <os2mac> @now New_york
[01:02] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: April 18 2007, 19:02:20 - Next meeting: Development Team in 15 hours 57 minutes
[01:02] <NemesisD> mc44, why the heck not :(
[01:02] <d4rky-pl> mc44, that was just a joke, don't get paranoid or smth
[01:02] <mc44> d4rky-pl: I am not paranoid :)
[01:02] <os2mac> clear
[01:02] <mc44> NemesisD: why should it be?
[01:02] <concept10> I can't take it anymore, the release happy crowd is getting on my nerves.
[01:03] <d4rky-pl> yaay, release the evil! (Little Nicky)
[01:03] <NemesisD> mc44, because the counter alluded to it being released then
[01:03] <mc44> concept10: well, only another 10 or so hours of that :)
[01:03] <maddler> concept10: hehehehe... and you'll see tomorrow...
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> yippie!! releasee, happy happy, joy joy
[01:03] <GluE_> omg when will there bee balloons and cake and candles to blow out!?
[01:03] <nomasteryoda> on a side note, other pc users are switching to debian
[01:03] <concept10> I have an idea!  Lets bug everyone on when the release will be and start downloading at the _same_ time and have slow download speeds!  How genius!
[01:04] <d4rky-pl> I bought a large, 1 kg frozen pizza to celebrate release of 7.04
[01:04] <phire> great idea
[01:04] <CVirus> In how many hours will I be able to upgrade to feisty ?
  just revel in it.  didn't have this 10 years ago when I was downloading the new release of slack =/
[01:04] <CVirus> oops .. just read the topic
[01:04] <concept10> CarinArr, 28
[01:04] <NemesisD> you seem like a very jaded person, concept10 ;)
[01:04] <d4rky-pl> concept10, i have a automatic script to download it when it'll come anyway
[01:04] <ceil420> heh
[01:04] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[01:04] <ceil420> i was gonna wait til the 20th to get Feisty
[01:04] <maddler> CVirus: less than 48 I'd say... :)
[01:05] <ceil420> but i couldn't, so i got it yesterday
[01:05] <concept10> NemesisD, scroll up and see how many times its been asked in the last 10 mins
[01:05] <ceil420> ><
[01:05] <darwin> When I try to play a video with mplayer I get the error message: "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device"
[01:05] <concept10> Feisty will be released in 8 more days I heard.
[01:05] <crdlb> darwin, try setting the video out to Xv
[01:05] <ceil420> lol
[01:05] <phire> I'm just going to get a new laptop, when it comes out, should I download live cd, or the other one
[01:05] <crdlb> darwin, are you using the gui version?
[01:05] <darwin> crdlb: yes
[01:06] <NemesisD> if it won't be out for 8 more days perhaps it wasn't wise that they put a counter on the front age
[01:06] <crdlb> darwin, ok right click, preferences, video tab, select xv, then click ok
[01:06] <jdrake> concept10: Some movies are just too painful to contemplate.
[01:07] <maddler> concept10: LOL!
[01:07] <welshchris> Whenever it's being released, looks like the Ubuntu webservers are being hit hard - slow response at the mo
[01:07] <NemesisD> agree
[01:07] <maddler> concept10: last night an idiot phoned me at home... at 3.30am... asking if there were any problem with a web site I host!
[01:07] <jdrake> Best try slashdot or reddit. They will be right quick with the answer.
[01:07] <mcphail> welshchris: well, don't keep pressing "reload" on your browser :)
[01:07] <enyc> was that feisty-changes ??
[01:07] <phire> welsgchris: because its the 19th in almost half the world now
[01:08] <darwin> crdlb: Thank you! that worked
[01:08] <mc44> enyc: I doubt it
[01:08] <concept10> Guess what the only upgrade that is waiting to be pulled down?  _opera_  !! Opera is going to instantly change my system into a Fawn!
[01:08] <enyc> im looking in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-April/date.html but I cant see it there yet... **did anybody else just get a  "accepted libx11-" something... ?
[01:08] <mc44> enyc: security update for dapper/edgy
[01:08] <mc44> enyc: calm down :)
[01:08] <ceil420> :o
[01:08] <jdrake> d4rky-pl: blasphemy will have no place here
[01:08] <ceil420> lol jdrake
  think I'll leave it a while before I upgrade, anyway.  Everything works right now
[01:08] <ceil420> t's wot i was thinkin' :p
[01:08] <concept10> maddler, I would have hung up on them
[01:08] <phire> and it will be the 20th in newzealand before it gets released
[01:09] <darwin> crdlb: also when I try to play an RMVB file in Totem it doesn't work even though I installed the w32codecs from Medibuntu
[01:09] <enyc> mc44: aaah ok ;-)
[01:10] <crdlb> darwin, you also need to install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll
[01:11] <maddler> concept10: I did... but it was too late... my wife and my dughter weren't happy...
[01:11] <darwin> crdlb: that still didn't work
[01:13] <tiagoboldt> will it still be released today?
[01:13] <mc44> probably
[01:14] <concept10> maddler, check this screenshot, it proves feisty has been released: http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotle7.png
[01:15] <maddler> lemme see...
[01:15] <maddler> :)
[01:15] <concept10> heh :)
[01:15] <maddler> LOL!
[01:15] <maddler> hahaha
[01:17] <maddler> hmmm... any clue from where Kmilo can be accessed?
[01:17] <Centaur5> crdlb: Now I can't get x to start when attempting to use the nvidia driver.
[01:18] <vio> hiya guys
[01:18] <crdlb> Centaur5, oh joy
[01:18] <d4rky-pl> concept10, rotflmao
[01:18] <crdlb> Centaur5, did you reboot?
[01:18] <Centaur5> crdlb: Just x, you want me to reboot the entire machine?
[01:18] <vio> can you let me know when 1 of you are free to help me.. need support on a pcmcia sound card
[01:18] <crdlb> Centaur5, yeah that'd be good :)
[01:18] <crdlb> you're switching versions of the nvidia module
[01:19] <Centaur5> crdlb: Okay, it's doing it now
[01:21] <GeekChick|> Will Feisty Fawn be available through dist-upgrade from Ubuntu 6.10 when it's released or does that usually take a couple days extra compared to the ISO releases? I only ask because I've never been online near a release.
[01:21] <mc44> GeekChick|: yes it will be available. Dont use apt dist-upgrade to upgrade however
[01:22] <GeekChick|> mc44, will the update agent in notification area update immediately or take many more hours, or do I just have to grab the ISO when it's released and use the CD as a package source.
[01:22] <GeekChick|> im just wondering which is usually faster
[01:22] <mc44> GeekChick|: no the update agent will be immediate
[01:23] <vio> yay!!
[01:23] <vio> :)
[01:24] <vio> hi again
[01:24] <concept10> !topic
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[01:25] <vio> concept10: ?
[01:25] <concept10> vio, that wasnt aimed at you
[01:25] <vio> ahh, ok
[01:26] <mc44> yeah he is just doing !topic whenever anyone joins :p
[01:26] <vio> Question: Can anyone help me "select" my proper sound card coz the pref->sound doesn't manage to do this
[01:26] <Winball> seems like ubuntu.com is kinda slow now
[01:26] <Centaur5> crdlb: Worked like a charm!  Thanks for the info.  I never would have thought that the new nvidia driver would need a system reboot.
[01:27] <pyr0000> so when will it be released?
[01:28] <concept10> !topic
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[01:28] <_swab_> :)
[01:28] <pyr0000> so when its released
[01:28] <concept10> !topic
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[01:28] <pyr0000> so it will be released when it is released?
[01:28] <vio> how long should i wait before i repost my question?
[01:28] <mc44> correct
[01:29] <pyr0000> so for my new laptop should i start the install process of egdy and get it working which will take a day or so or should i hold out?
[01:29] <concept10> vio, Prefs > Multimedia Systems Selector
[01:29] <gradin> anybody know whats going on with this W: GPG error: http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org feisty Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[01:29] <Winball> Clean feisty install and about 1TB free hddspace
[01:29] <Winball> :D
[01:29] <gradin> i get that when i sudo apt-get update
[01:30] <vio> concept10: no such thing in my menu
[01:30] <mcphail> pyr0000: any new install is likely to be a little slow for a few days. The servers will be melting
[01:30] <concept10> vio, its probably disabled in the menu (which is stupid), check your menu editor, or run gstreamer-properties from the command line
[01:31] <aska1> hrm.. is http://www.ubuntu.com/ down? :S
[01:31] <Winball> aska1 no
[01:31] <Winball> :)
[01:31] <vio> concept10: ok, i'll try that :)
[01:31] <gradin> gpg --no-default-keyring --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv
[01:31] <pyr0000> is there somewhere that expanes the diff n edgy or feisty?
[01:31] <aska1> Winball: okok
[01:31] <gradin> blah
[01:31] <gradin> i knwo whats causing it now
[01:31] <Winball> aska1 Had problem joining too, try now
[01:31] <concept10> vio, or alt+f2 gstreamer properties
[01:31] <gradin> my bios battery died so the date is set at 2001
[01:31] <concept10> pyr0000, goto the website or the wiki and read all about it
[01:31] <gradin> meaning the gpg keys are invalid
[01:31] <pyr0000> the website is kinda down
[01:32] <concept10> pyr0000, goto the wiki
[01:32] <pyr0000> or just overloaded
[01:32] <Shiner_Man> So, I currently have edgy installed on my laptop and wanted to upgrade to 7.04 using the cd.
[01:32] <vio> concept10: thanks it worked like a charm, will i be needing to do this at every restart?
[01:32] <pyr0000> will feisty fix the no wireless after update?
[01:32] <concept10> vio, shouldnt have to
[01:32] <misfit_toy> isn't everyone here already running the beta? why the big brouhaha over today?
[01:33] <vio> concept10: thanks, got time for another question?
[01:33] <Shiner_Man> Is it just me or shouldn't there be an "update" part during the install
[01:33] <mc44> misfit_toy: because people are people
[01:33] <concept10> vio, Check the menu editor and see if it is disabled
[01:33] <misfit_toy> mc44, some are and some aren't! heheh
[01:33] <McAfee|away> A power cut, caused me to have a failed upgrade, what's the best way to recover?
[01:33] <concept10> vio, because if so I or you need to report a bug
[01:35] <Crazytom> i installed feisty a few weeks ago and i'm wondering what the difference between an updated beta version and an official fresh install is?
[01:35] <concept10> Crazytom, bugfixes
[01:35] <Crazytom> wouldn't i get those by installing the updates?
[01:36] <jStefan> could i use a livecd to recover from a failed upgrade?
[01:36] <concept10> Crazytom, yes
[01:36] <Crazytom> thx
[01:36] <mc44> Crazytom: there is no difference
[01:36] <Crazytom> good i don't want to install thunderbird again
[01:37] <vio> concept10:  there are definitly probs with the "sounds"
[01:37] <concept10> vio, what do you mean
[01:37] <Crazytom> downloading 3 years of e-mail from gmail is a giant pita
[01:37] <concept10> Crazytom, fills your drive too
[01:37] <vio> the login/out sounds won't disable for starters.. therfore other sounds will also not disable
[01:37] <NemesisD> hmm i think the mirrors for feisty are starting to become available
[01:38] <mc44> ...?
[01:38] <concept10> vio, Prefs > Sound, second check box
[01:38] <Crazytom> NemesisD, when will it be available?  noonish? or morning?
[01:39] <mc44> Crazytom: see the topic :)
[01:39] <Crazytom> sry didn't check that today
[01:39] <vio> concept10: doesn't work (i put "no sound" on all the boxes") i still keep getting the anoying login/out sounds
[01:39] <NemesisD> i have no idea im just kinda looking around the ubuntu forums and i'm seeing a few links
[01:40] <concept10> vio, try to select no sound for that even
[01:40] <concept10> *event
[01:41] <NemesisD> word on the street is that http://ubuntu.virginmedia.com/releases/.pool/ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso is the final (non-beta) version :/
[01:42] <vio> concept10: i did the following 1: pref -> sound 2:  2.nd box "sounds" but "no sound" on ALL the items (log out: No sound) (Log in: No Sound) - that didn't work, so i turned off the "play system sounds" it's still coming on every log-in
[01:42] <concept10> vio, you can always erase the file
[01:42] <vio> got the command for that?
[01:43] <vio> that i can enter in the terminal
[01:43] <Stormx2> Feisty rawks :D
[01:43] <NemesisD> dang im getting 628KB/s on this, i hope to god it isn't beta
[01:44] <boricua> concept10:wget url
[01:44] <concept10> vio, cd to /usr/share/sounds and start wacking them with sudo rm <soundyoudontlike>.wav
[01:44] <docMuerto> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/ <-------- last last
[01:44] <vio> concept10: thank's, i'll do that. is there a way to upgrade to the rc1 from the beta or do i need a fresh install
[01:45] <concept10> vio, yep... you can upgrade
[01:45] <NemesisD> docMuerto, thats final yes?
[01:45] <vio> concept10: sweet, how?
[01:45] <mc44> NemesisD: the final is when it is released
[01:45] <docMuerto> NemesisD,  ok
[01:45] <mc44> NemesisD: which it isnt yet
[01:46] <[Al] > how about now
[01:46] <mc44> [Al] : ha. ha. :
[01:46] <mc44> :p
[01:46] <[Al] > :>
[01:46] <docMuerto> NemesisD,   look http://linux.cymaho.com/bajando-feisty-18Abril.png
[01:46] <concept10> NemesisD, for goodness sake, just grab it already
[01:46] <[Al] > OK bai!
[01:47] <concept10> !upgrade
[01:47] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:47] <vio> great :)
[01:47] <vio> concept10: thanks for the help :)
[01:47] <Noah0504> Everyone excited about the release of Feisty in a few hours?
[01:47] <NemesisD> theres a pretty big size descrepency between your version and mine, i'll trust yours docMuerto
[01:48] <GeekChick|> Hah, how fitting. Ubuntu.com is down for me
[01:48] <rerushg> can't get into Ubuntu site. is it down? overloaded?
[01:48] <Zancat> overloaded I believe
[01:48] <jg> that was an "exciting" upgrade....
[01:48] <vio> concept10: i got the feisty (beta) but there is a rc1 right? upgrade from feisty beta to ->rc1
[01:48] <jg> I hate "excitement".
[01:49] <Noah0504> I'm sure the forums will be down by morning as well.
[01:49] <jg> along with lots of people's systems, like mine was....
[01:49] <concept10> vio, Upgrades work like this:  What ever they put on the servers is the newest content (packages) when you upgrade, you will have the latest versions.
[01:50] <rerushg> everyone queueing up for Fiesty final, eh? What time?
[01:50] <jdrake> rerushg: 6:66
[01:50] <jg> rerushg: I wouldn't recommend randoms upgrade right now, that's for sure.....
[01:51] <vio> concept10: is there a way to check if i got the "rc"? i did download something, just don't know what it was
[01:51] <NemesisD> docMuerto, good mirror btw!
[01:51] <docMuerto> NemesisD,  thanks
[01:51] <Noah0504> rerushg: I'm preparing by just downloading the RC, haha.
[01:51] <GeekChick|> I see several mirrors starting to update their feisty directories.
[01:51] <jg> doing an upgrade on my laptop from edgy ended me up with a useless fstab....
[01:52] <rerushg> got it.... thanks...
[01:52] <concept10> vio, no way to tell.. its all about the packages
[01:52] <concept10> vio, cat /etc/lsb_release
[01:52] <vio> ok, thanks again
[01:52] <Stoffer> hmm...I can connect to my wireless network in roaming mode, but manually it won't connect.  Do I have to do anything after I set it up to get it to connect?
[01:52] <Patrick_> could anyone tell me why the my laptop hangs when I choose to log out??? annoyingly I have to hold down the power button to turn it off then restart!
[01:54] <LJ_> vio, you could always do an md5 check on the file you've downloaded against the md5s that come with the release, that'll show if you have the right iso
[01:55] <Stoffer> ok I'm back, did anyone reply to my networking query?
[01:56] <jg> so, who might care that my fstab was pretty broken after upgrading to feisty from edgy?
[01:57] <PriceChild> jg, did you by any chance edit your fstab by removing UUIDs ?
[01:57] <Stoffer> where can I get the driver that lets ubuntu read an ntfs partition?
[01:58] <PriceChild> Stoffer, included by default
[01:58] <Stoffer> really...:)
[01:58] <mips> Stoffer, how did it go ?
[01:58] <jg> PriceChild: not that I know of: my home directory/partition ended up without a UUID, and referencing hda2, rather than sda2...
[01:58] <Stoffer> mips, everything's running fine
[01:58] <mips> Stoffer, good to hear
[01:59] <PriceChild> jg, well edgy would have used UUIDs... so I'm guessing you must have removed them
[01:59] <Stoffer> mips, it didn't ask my about my windows, it just added it to GRUB automatically
[01:59] <jg> PriceChild: I just spent the last half hour figuring out what was broken...
[01:59] <mips> Stoffer, ok, as long as it works ;) I think that happens in the alternate cd
[01:59] <jg> PriceChild: could be: but the result is pretty catastrophic.
[01:59] <Stoffer> mips, the only issue I'm having is with my wireless connection now.  It won't connect when I set it up manually.
[01:59] <PriceChild> jg, not really... just needs a live cd to edit a single file and correct your mistakes
[02:00] <jg> PriceChild: it was upgraded from dapper a long time ago.
[02:00] <Stoffer> is there anything I need to do to "kick" it once it's configured?
[02:00] <jg> PriceChild: I'm saying this is something that can/will happen commonly, and you end up with a useless system beyond most people's ability to debug.
[02:00] <jg> not good.
[02:00] <mips> Stoffer, check out http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=179   &    http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=136
[02:00] <LasseP> hi anyone hawing trouble with Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller?
[02:01] <PriceChild> jg, I agree... afaik everyone's aware of it. But the problem is that it doesn't occur on a normal upgrade path unless you edit things yourself afaik
[02:01] <mips> Stoffer, sorry, I have never setup wireless as all my stuff is wired althoug I have 3 wireless cards
[02:01] <Stoffer> mips, that's fine.  There's also something complaining about my restricted ATI driver
[02:02] <jg> PriceChild: with the change from hda to sda, it would seem a graceful upgrade path would be to fix the name in the fstab.
[02:02] <mips> Stoffer, did you install the restricted drivers ?
[02:02] <jg> I have no clue how to even find what the uuid of a partition might be....
[02:02] <Stoffer> mips, no, it did it automatically
[02:03] <mips> Stoffer, well keep at it, I'm sure you will find solutions to those issues
[02:04] <Stoffer> mips, the ATI accelerated graphis driver is not in use, while the Atheros Hardware Access Layer is in juse.  that's what it tells me when I click the icon in the top right panel
[02:05] <Stoffer> mips, should I enable the ATI driver?
[02:05] <jpsamara> Is there a mirror list somewhere? now that the site is lagging
[02:05] <mips> Stoffer, I would enable it and reboot or restart X
[02:06] <Stoffer> mips, ok, it's downloading it now
[02:06] <TheCreationist> Is ntfs write support included in Feisty?
[02:06] <sishgupta__> its in the repos
[02:06] <TheCreationist> Also... does anyone know why trying to update from Edgy to Feisty just gives this error : "Could not calculate upgrade"
[02:06] <PriceChild> !ntfs-3g | TheCreationist
[02:06] <ubotu> TheCreationist: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[02:07] <mstrzele> hi there, where's feisty? :(
[02:07] <TheCreationist> PriceChild: I already use that... was just curious if it was included in Feisty
[02:07] <PriceChild> TheCreationist, used 3rd party repos?
[02:07] <PriceChild> mstrzele, see /topic
[02:07] <TheCreationist> PriceChild: Yes, but I've removed them from sources.lst
[02:07] <mstrzele> PriceChild: ;)
[02:07] <Patrick_> could anyone tell me why the my laptop hangs when I choose to log out??? annoyingly I have to hold down the power button to turn it off then restart!
[02:09] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, NTFS-3g is available in the default repos in Feisty
[02:09] <TheCreationist> ok
[02:09] <Patrick_> when is the full release of feisty out
[02:10] <Amaranth> Patrick_: hours
[02:10] <likefists2heaven> soon
[02:10] <Flankk> Apparantly whenever they feel like it.
[02:10] <TheCreationist> Okay, well I've decided to go ahead and do a clean install of Feisty... but I have some questions.  When doing so, is there a way to backup my user's password info.... otherwise I'll have to set them all up again
[02:10] <Patrick_> yeah, it'll be ready when its ready kinda thing
[02:11] <Kitagua> somehow the Countdown on ubuntu.com switched back to 'Release is Tomorrow' ^^
[02:11] <TheCreationist> I thought I heard the release date was delayed....
[02:11] <thoreauputic> Patrick_: /topic ;)
[02:11] <Flankk> Either push back the release date or don't have one at all.
[02:12] <TheCreationist> ...shoot, I'd settle for an update tool that works ;)
[02:12] <concept10> heh
[02:12] <Patrick_> ho
[02:12] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, How are you trying to update exactly?
[02:13] <TheCreationist> Jordan_U: Using "kdesu update-manager -c -d"
[02:13] <misfit_toy> concept10, the joy of smoking! :)
[02:13] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, If you are going to re-install anyways you may as well try to force an upgrade and see what happens
[02:13] <concept10> misfit_toy, Im trying to decide if I want a beer or cranberry juice
[02:14] <TheCreationist> Jordan_U: How would I do that?
[02:14] <Flankk> So when it's released, is there a list of mirrors to download 7.04 from?  Because ubuntu.com is down.
[02:14] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[02:14] <wharpix_> ubuntu.com is up again..
[02:14] <TheCreationist> Oh... and I assume that installing from the current alt-cd image of Feisty, when the final is released, I can update automatically, right?
[02:15] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, Yes, make sure you use the daily build rather than the Beta
[02:15] <Flankk> wharpix_, okay.
[02:15] <misfit_toy> concept10, that isn't a choice, that's a given, beer!
[02:15] <TheCreationist> Jordan_U: Yeah, I'm downloading the daily build
[02:16] <concept10> misfit_toy, I love drinking beer but cranberry juice doesnt leaving you feeling crazy at the end of the night :)
[02:16] <Jordan_U> TheCreationist, And remember that if you want to remove the stuff you don't want from ubuntu-desktop copy down what packages it installs when you install it
[02:17] <misfit_toy> concept10, neither does beer, just very very sleepy....zzzzz
[02:18] <stone-unix> ready to feisty? released or not??
[02:18] <misfit_toy> stone-unix, /topic
[02:18] <jpsamara> When looking at a mirror I see a Archive-update-in-progress file  :)
[02:18] <misfit_toy> can you send /topic to someone? like:
[02:18] <misfit_toy> ah
[02:19] <misfit_toy> must be chan op
[02:19] <jpsamara> !topic
[02:19] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[02:20] <webcrawle> anybody have the time of the 7.04 release?
[02:20] <mips> when its ready
[02:20] <|NewUser|> webcrawle, see the topic :)
[02:20] <Prez> haha
[02:20] <concept10> ubotu, topic is Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains essential information, including release status.  To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[02:21] <Prez> i wonder if there was a windows channel waiting for Vista with people asking when it would b released for a whole 2 years..haha
[02:21] <webcrawle> so sry
[02:21] <thoreauputic> ;p
[02:21] <kiba> hi
[02:21] <concept10> heres anothewr
[02:21] <Zorlin> thorea
[02:21] <Zorlin> dont you mean +B?
[02:21] <fulvioo> lol
[02:21] <Zorlin> +q = channel founder-level access
[02:21] <Flankk> thoreauputic, It might help if you actually put a release time in the topic...
[02:21] <kiba> torrent????
[02:21] <webcrawle> you really should put it at the top of the topic, i read it, but after the link i quit reading
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Flankk: and how are we going to do that when we don't know?
[02:22] <concept10> PriceChild, please update the topic
[02:22] <Flankk> thoreauputic, 3 people in #ubuntu said within the hour.
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Flankk: they are wrong though
[02:22] <grayman> Flankk, they said whithin a hour if it's ready
[02:22] <ANTDx2> You mean the thing I am currently downloading is not the final release?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> Flankk: it isn't released yet
[02:22] <Stoffer> in the network manager my wireless network is called ath0, but in /etc/network/interfaces there's only wlan0.... why?
[02:22] <fulvioo> how many of you already bookmarked a download server with trilling /7.04 ? :P
[02:23] <ANTDx2> oh well it can't be too much different.
[02:23] <aaroncampbell> Is there a way to see the progress of bzip2?    Why not just push it to tomorrow instead of keep everyone waiting?
[02:24] <fulvioo> whats #ubuntu,0 ? :P
[02:24] <voidmage-away> aaroncampbell: you could run it with -v
[02:24] <ANTDx2> Flankk, today still has 20 hours left
[02:24] <mips> 24hrs on the release clock
[02:24] <Dekkard> i dont get all the flack about the release date.. when its ready it will be ready..
[02:24] <PriceChild> Flankk, it will be released when its ready
[02:25] <Flankk> ANTDx2, 23, actually.  I'm talking about Etc/GMT.
[02:25] <concept10> PriceChild, please update the topic
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Flankk: where is it written that the release has to be a t midnight?
[02:25] <Prez> so anyways, what is Ubuntu, some kind of software?
[02:25] <PriceChild> concept10, ?
[02:25] <kiba> when will be ready??
[02:25] <aaroncampbell> voidmage: that just shows: filename.tar:
[02:25] <concept10> Update the topic
[02:25] <carlosqueso> they'd save a lot of angst (and server load) if they just lied about the date, and put it up before the official release time
[02:25] <aaroncampbell> voidmage: then it fills in the compression ratio when it's done
[02:25] <concept10> PriceChild, i know you have ops
[02:25] <ANTDx2> I was estimating
[02:25] <Flankk> thoreauputic, Then adjust the topic to say it will be released within 24 hours!
[02:25] <mips> yeah, they should have a randon release within a week
[02:26] <grayman> thoreauputic, heh. a lot of people think that it should. The site is like under ddos
[02:26] <Prez> anyone here running beta releases?
[02:26] <grayman> yes
[02:26] <mips> yes
[02:26] <concept10> Prez, nope
[02:26] <Dekkard> Feisty is the next generation Linux distro.. it will be ready by the next generation...
[02:26] <jpsamara> lol
[02:26] <Prez> the only thing not working great on my thinkpad is sound after resume fromhibernation... just hope that gets fixed..
[02:26] <Stoffer> mips, I'm following a tutorial on using wpa_supplicant for my wireless
[02:26] <mips> Stoffer,ok. and the ati ?
[02:27] <Prez> in edgy that is.. hopefully this feisty thing will fix it
[02:27] <Stoffer> mips, oh, I haven't restarted yet, I'm ignoring it for now
[02:27] <carlosqueso> we could be debian and everybody'd be waiting for the next few years
[02:27] <mips> cheers, way past my bed time !!!
[02:28] <Flankk> carlosqueso, maybe Ubuntu has become Debian.
[02:29] <Flankk> I'm talking about asking for help and geting 20 elitist pricks hopping on your back.
[02:29] <carlosqueso> me too
[02:29] <VR_> "... released when it is released" so not tomorrow!
[02:29] <ANTDx2> I haven't had that yet.  I hear of all sorts of people who think they're cool because they bash Ubuntu though
[02:29] <concept10> Flankk, you need to learn how to ignore fools on IRC
[02:29] <Prez> in british english, do you spell it priggs?
[02:30] <adder1972> Sorry for asking, but does anyone know when 7.04 will be released ("Feisty will be released when it is released" is a bit wague....)
[02:30] <grayman> today
[02:30] <jpsamara> today]
[02:30] <webcrawle> lol
[02:30] <grayman> yeah
[02:30] <Stoffer> mips: how do I get into the device manager?  I keep losing it
[02:30] <grayman> add it in the topic
[02:30] <Prez> lota dense people..
[02:30] <grayman> less questions
[02:30] <Arko> hi
[02:30] <adder1972> We had a coundown in the forum, but nothing happened  ;-)
[02:30] <grayman> there is a countdown on the site
[02:30] <Arko> is Feisty already released?
[02:30] <jpsamara> lol... countdown in the ubuntu furom?
[02:30] <grayman> for few days now
[02:30] <concept10> adder1972, good, this isnt christmas
[02:30] <aaroncampbell> in Konqueror if I right click on a file, I get a compress option (allowing me to make it a .gz, .rar, etc) but if I click on a .tar file I don't get that.  Seems like it should still be there, since .tar isn't really compressed...just stored.  It would still be nice to be able to turn that into a .gz
[02:30] <njee> haha I was there too, btu then I remember edgy was like a day late by the time I got it in Australia
[02:30] <Prez> Arko: it's there, waiting for ya..
[02:31] <Flankk> Good thing I didn't show up for the countdown in Time Square...
[02:31] <Arko> :)
[02:31] <carlosqueso> that's why I'm hanging out here, as someone will come in here all jubilant
[02:31] <stone-unix> we, a lot of ubuntu chinese users, are waiting in the ubuntu-cn channel
[02:31] <Stoffer> mips: is the name of my driver next to info.linux.driver in "advanced"?
[02:31] <adder1972> @ concept10: It is for me  ;-)
[02:31] <concept10> Gosh, I thought my life was bad.
[02:31] <stone-unix> waiting is so torturing
[02:32] <Arko> it says release tomorrow
[02:32] <concept10> stone-unix, dont wait, find something else to do
[02:32] <njee> They so should definitely do it as a midnight launch thing, PS3 style :P
[02:32] <RawSewage> It's only tomorrow in the US
[02:32] <Arko> it is already tomorrow in some places.
[02:32] <RawSewage> It's today everywhere else
[02:32] <carlosqueso> it's a release party!
[02:32] <Hairulfr> It's tomorrow here as well, what a rip off :(
[02:32] <RawSewage> Ubuntu is in Africa
[02:32] <carlosqueso> actually, if i'm not mistaken, it's officially on the isle of Man
[02:32] <adder1972> I guess the repositories are pretty updated anyway ...
[02:33] <njee> haha, says Distrowatch
[02:33] <Flankk> How can you have a release party when it's not released until midnight of the next day.  It will be the 20th in some places...
[02:33] <RawSewage> Theyre on an island?
[02:33] <carlosqueso> it's an IRC release party now
[02:33] <Dekkard> ubuntu is in africa??
[02:33] <Hairulfr> RawSewage: They're lost
[02:33] <concept10> haha
[02:33] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isle_of_Man
[02:33] <RawSewage> lol
[02:33] <njee> sabdfl is in london....
[02:33] <stone-unix> concept10: ok
[02:33] <grayman> it's tomorrow in africa
[02:33] <Dekkard> hoem of the Islae of man TT.. also the origin of a rather unique Cat
[02:34] <Arko> Why has US the monopoly of tomorrow?
[02:34] <feistyman> Hey, does anyone know about tomorrow's release. Do we get an update that makes us the final version?
[02:34] <Prez> Arko: cause it can afford to ...
[02:34] <Dekkard> 0_o
[02:34] <Arko> hmmm
[02:34] <Hairulfr> Arko: Because they have the monopoly of destroying the world for everyone?
[02:34] <grayman> if you're talking about Canonical then no
[02:34] <grayman> they're in europe
[02:34] <concept10> This channel is getting ridiculous.  Im going to get a beer, have fun waiting on the final release.
[02:34] <TheDebugger> I'm sure we already have the final build...
[02:35] <Arko> that is why they are so hated, I guess
[02:35] <Prez> Arko: as always, depends who you ask
[02:35] <Arko> by the way, is there a program to edit pdfs?
[02:35] <ffm> So, how can I test the final?
[02:36] <ffm> I have heard 5 installed alrady
[02:36] <grayman> where do you get that rumors
[02:37] <TheDebugger> If we have the beta.. then did a dist-upgrade today, we should have feisty final
[02:37] <grayman> no
[02:37] <grayman> no updates since few days now
[02:37] <Dekkard> this is getting rediculous
[02:37] <Hairulfr> ffm: Hmm... I'm still on beta, but I've been receiving so many updates lately that I guess it's pretty much final
[02:37] <TheDebugger> grayman: Yeah, 2-3 days
[02:37] <TheDebugger> No system updates...
[02:38] <TheDebugger> Si it means.. feisty is frozen, ready to be release imo
[02:38] <Hairulfr> No for a while no, but been flooded lately
[02:38] <misfit_toy> the last update was the update-manager itself, I'm guessing in preparation for bombardment of geeks with woodies on for fiesty enjoyment.
[02:38] <Hairulfr> misfit_toy: Lol
[02:38] <grayman> meh
[02:38] <grayman> there goes the nice 200kbs speed on repos
[02:38] <adder1972> so its just to do "sudo apt-get update/upgrade?"
[02:38] <PriceChild> TheDebugger, yes if you update/upgrade/dist-upgrade you have latest
[02:39] <grayman> in theory update-manager should give you an option
[02:39] <Hairulfr> I'm already looking forward to Gutsy Gibbon (at first I read it as "Gutty Gibson")
[02:39] <misfit_toy> Hairulfr, cool, the guitar version
[02:39] <Toma-> imho, the final is going to be released when there more testing done on the final candidate ISO's. so get installing and give reports. im burning the ISO right now
[02:44] <RawSewage> Ubuntu Operational HQ: London, United Kingdom
[02:44] <RawSewage> so it's release day already
[02:44] <Hairulfr> Toma-: Wha, the final?
[02:44] <Toma-> Hairulfr: read the topic
[02:44] <carlosqueso> of course, when I say "I'll do it tomorrow" I don't usually mean midnight
[02:44] <grayman> Toma-, shhhhhhhhhh!!!!
[02:44] <misfit_toy> Hairulfr, and it's "Gusty" not "Gutsy" I believe.
[02:44] <grayman> you ruined it!
[02:44] <adder1972> @ PrinceChild: Thanks
[02:44] <RawSewage> it says Gutsy in Wiki
[02:44] <misfit_toy> k
[02:44] <carlosqueso> I hope not misfit_toy, as add that to breezy and we have two flatulent animals
[02:44] <Hairulfr>  misfit_toy: reallY? What is Gusty? Windy?
[02:44] <misfit_toy> I was hoping for Gusty, oh well
[02:44] <grayman> a gust of wind
[02:44] <Hairulfr> A Gibbom with gas?
[02:44] <Hairulfr> Gibbon
[02:44] <taggie> Gibbons are gutsy.
[02:44] <sotec_prod> Is there an easy way to see what folders are on what partitions?
 To clone my Feisty install onto a larger harddrive  using a simple copy/paste method, i would need to set up the proper sized partitions on the larger disk first correct? And then paste all of the folders accordingly so that it booted up right...is this correct?
[02:44] <jpsamara> The RC isos had squashed the libata bugs but there was a minor bug with the part. manager
[02:44] <RawSewage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbon
[02:44] <Journeyman> is feisty going to be released tomarrow?
[02:44] <sotec_prod> or would it be wiser to just section off a partition at the end of the larger drive, use a drive image program such as PartImage to place it there, then boot the live cd, use part image to recover that image so that it installs onto the larger drive just as it was on my current drive?
[02:44] <RawSewage> Journeyman, no
[02:44] <Journeyman> k
[02:44] <RawSewage> today
[02:44] <jpsamara> Today.
[02:44] <Journeyman> oh!?
[02:44] <Journeyman> already?
[02:44] <misfit_toy> "when it's ready"
[02:44] <Toma-> I hope theres some sort of donation thing for Gibbons when Gutsy gets released http://www.silvery.org.au/
[02:44] <jpsamara> Today is thursday
[02:44] <PriceChild> Journeyman, topic
[02:44] <Prez> is that today UTC, UTC -6, UTC +12 ?
[02:44] <Journeyman> I just heard it was tomorrow and wanted to know if it was true or not
[02:44] <muszek> hi... is it cancelled?
[02:44] <Prez> carlosqueso: good idea
[02:44] <|NewUser|> ummm finally get complete updates fiesty.. going runs so gud..
[02:44] <carlosqueso> no.
[02:44] <PriceChild> carlosqueso, i doubt anyone would read it anyway
[02:44] <carlosqueso> true
[02:44] <Journeyman> no topic just says it will be released when its released
[02:44] <RawSewage> Gibbons are social animals.  Nice
[02:44] <mister_roboto> does anyone know if truecrypt will ever be part of ubuntu's repos? any plans?
[02:44] <Toma-> Flankk: yeh. well, the big bugs at least
[02:45] <Flankk> Toma-, That could take *days*
[02:45] <muszek> carlosqueso: what do you mean by "cancelled"?    There are obviously going to be a tonne of bugs, even if not all reported.  Why not just release it and patch later?
[02:47] <|NewUser|> GeekChick|,  lol
[02:47] <benanzo> I have a post in the forums detailing my problem, maybe someone can help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2476161#post2476161
[02:47] <Hairulfr> Flankk: Anyone had any major issues with beta? I didn't, and it's been less buggy than any distro I've ever used
[02:48] <Flankk> Hairulfr, exactly, so why not release it already?
[02:48] <taggie> Flankk, if the bugs prevent the install of the distro, you can't patch what you can't install.
[02:48] <Toma-> Flankk: he more serious bugs you get out of the installer, the more people you get with a healthy install. and less whinging windows users in #ubuntu saying "Waa waa it doesnt work Ubuntu sucks im going to tell all my friends"
[02:48] <Hairulfr> Flankk: I was gonna say what taggi said
[02:48] <Amaranth> Flankk: the tests right now are "does the CD boot and install?"
[02:48] <Zorlin> Yeah, my one had some issues with install.
[02:48] <grayman> Toma-, don't scare the kid. it will be out today
[02:49] <Zorlin> (my copy of the beta)
[02:49] <ANTDx2> Guys he just asked a question...we dont need 4 people summarizing the same general idea =P
[02:49] <Zorlin> 5* sorry
[02:49] <Toma-> People...... if you really want to get it the second it comes out, keep hitting refresh on this page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/
[02:49] <Amaranth> Flankk: imagine the embarrassment if they released a CD that didn't even boot
[02:49] <Hairulfr> I tried Sabayon, the live cd worked and was impressive (but ugly), but it didn't install.
[02:49] <Amaranth> Toma-: No.
[02:49] <Toma-> no?
[02:49] <grayman> Toma-, and don't give them ideas x_x
[02:49] <Flankk> Amaranth, not to troll but that's how it wen't with the last 5 releases for me.
[02:49] <Flankk> Amaranth, I guess I'll do some testing then.
[02:49] <ANTDx2> yeah let's try to refresh the page over and over and over til i t goes offline =P
[02:50] <Toma-> Flankk: you werent around for dapper?
[02:50] <Hairulfr> ANTDx2: LOL
[02:50] <Zorlin> Ant, better that than the main page
[02:50] <Amaranth> Flankk: Right well this is why you should have been testing and reporting bugs throughout the feisty cycle :)
[02:50] <Zorlin> this is just a directory listing. less load on the server
[02:50] <NemesisD> is there an easy way to find out once i burn this iso i'm downloading if it's the real final release or not?
[02:50] <ANTDx2> ah well still...why don't you just promise them to post it in the topic the MOMENT it comes out
[02:50] <carlosqueso> NemesisD, it's not
[02:51] <dougb_> when a bug fix is "commited" and someone says "Release-noted, so milestoning for post-Feisty." does that mean that the update will be released in the next cycle of updates to come around?
[02:51] <NemesisD> wtf am i downloading then (suspiciously eyeballs docMuerto)
[02:51] <Amaranth> ANTDx2: That's my job :)
[02:51] <NemesisD> oh wait i forgot no internet slang
[02:51] <ANTDx2> ah well good.
[02:51] <NemesisD> what in tarnation*
[02:51] <Flankk> ANTDx2, yes, and post that promise in the topic.  People are whining because the topic is very unclear.  If you make it clear, people won't need to ask questions.
[02:51] <Crazytom> NemesisD, md5
[02:51] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: Windows Vista RC2
[02:51] <Amaranth> dougb_: that probably means it'll be a post-release update
[02:52] <Amaranth> dougb_: meaning a package you get from feisty-updates
[02:52] <taggie> So, I'm downloading the RC of the dvd, because it looks like only a few people have installed it, but it looks like nobody is using the torrent. Does anybody install from DVD?
[02:52] <Toma-> Amaranth: im burning the final candidate (for bug testing)... should i just wait?
[02:52] <Toma-> bah too late
[02:52] <NemesisD> i got it here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/
[02:52] <grayman> oh
[02:52] <grayman> that's not final
[02:52] <dougb_> that's no good.  It's a bug fix to get my sound card working properly with Ubuntu Feisty.  I'd think it would be a priority since it is effecting a lot of users
[02:52] <grayman> that's candidate
[02:52] <NemesisD> im like 70% done, what the heck have i done
[02:52] <NemesisD> whats the difference
[02:53] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ is the latest
[02:53] <GeekChick|> NemesisD, less bugs
[02:53] <ANTDx2> Just a question
[02:53] <NemesisD> i feel so betrayed
[02:53] <Toma-> NemesisD: there will probably be a couple little bug fixes RE: install process in the final
[02:53] <NemesisD> Toma-, so would you suggest I cancel this download?
[02:53] <ANTDx2> if most of the work now is just going into the installer, is it reasonably safe to do an apt-get dist-upgrade/gui equivalent?
[02:53] <Toma-> NemesisD: you said it was the DVD?
[02:54] <grayman> NemesisD, nah. expect mirors to be overloaded
[02:54] <NemesisD> yes, its feisty-dvd-i386.iso
[02:54] <RawSewage> everyone should use torrents
[02:54] <GeekChick|> ANTDx2, could not tell you, but I am running the GUI dist-upgrade from the alternate i386 feisty fawn cd.
[02:54] <Toma-> NemesisD: yeh use it, burn it, and report if it works or not
[02:54] <Amaranth> dougb_: it takes days to a week to make sure an update didn't break something for the release
[02:54] <jpsamara> any final torrent?
[02:54] <ANTDx2> I'm running it from Edgy
[02:54] <RawSewage> I dont think Final is out yet
[02:54] <NemesisD> Toma-, if i install it will it be easy to update to the actual release then?
[02:54] <Hairulfr> RawSewage: Yeah, but considering how long it takes (hours vs. 5 minutes) I'm not bothered. And yeah, if everyone did, no problem
[02:54] <Amaranth> dougb_: Do you want to explain to hundreds of thousands of people that feisty isn't out yet because you wanted sound? :)
[02:55] <dougb_> Amaranth, i believe it's been about a week since the bug fix was committed
[02:55] <NemesisD> i'm anxious about getting this but not if I'm going to be fresh installing a sub-par product
[02:55] <Toma-> NemesisD: apt-get update upgrade will do it
[02:55] <dougb_> Amaranth, yes, i'd be happy to complain for my cause :)
[02:55] <Amaranth> dougb_: kernel updates take longer :)
[02:55] <RawSewage> Millions
[02:55] <GeekChick|> dougb_, what audio card?
[02:55] <NemesisD> Toma-, promise? ;)
[02:55] <Peppery> Wait, Feisty is a DVD?
[02:55] <Toma-> NemesisD: im gonna do it!
[02:55] <RawSewage> no
[02:55] <grayman> no
[02:55] <grayman> you get a cd
[02:55] <RawSewage> it's 699 mb
[02:55] <dougb_> GeekChick|, it's a nvidia hda card, but i believe it is using the intel hda driver
[02:55] <jpsamara> there is a cd version and a dvd version also.. i prefer cd
[02:55] <NemesisD> ok why is this 3.97gb then
[02:56] <Peppery> "PC (Intel x86) install/live DVD"
[02:56] <NemesisD> just extra packages?
[02:56] <Amaranth> dougb_: saying intel hda is like saying pci
[02:56] <GeekChick|> dougb_, oh, im on a sigmatel 9200x or something. its an inspiron e1505.
[02:56] <RawSewage> yes
[02:56] <Amaranth> NemesisD: the DVD contains all of main
[02:56] <Hairulfr> I want a dvd as well, im tired of burning 500Mb ISOs on dvds
[02:56] <jpsamara> I recommend installing the CD and use apt-get for extra packets... it saves a lot of bandwidth...
[02:57] <dougb_> Amaranth, i was in here last weekend talking to some people for about two hours trying to figure it out, and we came to the conclusion that the intel HDA driver is a generic driver
[02:57] <NemesisD> ok and i'm kind of curious, is this windows migration thing only good for stupid stuff like bookmarks and the contents of my documents or is it possible to pick and choose what to bring over? this is going on a laptop
[02:57] <dougb_> and my card was using that module
[02:57] <Toma-> OK folks, testing FInal Candidate :) cyas.
[02:57] <Amaranth> dougb_: The people that make it say otherwise ;)
[02:57] <sotec_prod> jpsamara, saves feisty's bandwidth, but slaughters yours.
[02:57] <NemesisD> Toma-, you downloaded 4gb that fast?!
[02:57] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: Without knowing, because I didn't try, I'd say it's for stupid stuff
[02:58] <NemesisD> well thats a bummer :/
[02:58] <Amaranth> dougb_: i mean, it's one module for all the different types
[02:58] <Amaranth> dougb_: but there are a lot of different types
[02:58] <sotec_prod> although, i would rather just install as needed :) plus, using apt gets you the latest version vs. off of a cd, which could be versions behind
[02:58] <RAOF> dougb_: And each and every one has its own evil quirks.
[02:58] <dougb_> yeah i know.  but it's the only thing close to what i could find
[02:58] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: What I really want is a way to synchronize with outlook, I need all my old emails and schedulethings
[02:58] <Amaranth> RAOF: yeah, it's super evil
[02:59] <jpsamara> sotec_prod: not really. people don't use all of DVD... in my case, and I use more things as most people such as eclipse etc.... I down't see any big app thats not in the cd that people use..
[02:59] <Amaranth> some of the worst pieces of garbage that can be called sound chips hide under that intel hda label
[02:59] <NemesisD> Hairulfr, luckily for me this is for a laptop and there aren't too many critical things on there
[02:59] <dougb_> it's was detected as NVIDIA HDA for alsa, and conexant for OSS i believe
[02:59] <NemesisD> ok so just to be clear, this candidate i'm downloading only has minor differences in the installer?
[03:00] <sotec_prod> true, but then it the programs could be versions behind, unless the dvd iso from the site is updated with current packages as they come out...know what i mean?
[03:00] <dougb_> NemesisD, dont worry.  they are planning on using the RC from yesterday as the final ISO image anyways
[03:00] <GeekChick|> Oh, terrific, the feisty installer killed bluetooth. now i have to use the stupid touchpad.
[03:00] <NemesisD> okay
[03:00] <sotec_prod> so that you aren't getting v.3.4 when the newest version is v5.0
[03:00] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: Yeah, I want a new laptop, I have an old g3 500mhz, all I need it for is typewriting, seeing dvds and stealing WIFI. But no distro will play dvds properly. Only osx does that...
[03:00] <Hairulfr> Actually I have two
[03:00] <sotec_prod> feisty plays dvd's just fine
[03:01] <Zorlin> Ugh. Waiting is annoying.
[03:01] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: Not on a 500Mhz G3 iBook
[03:01] <grayman> yeah dvds are ok
[03:01] <NemesisD> dougb_, so i should just install it and then run an apt-get update upgrade in a few days?
[03:01] <Zorlin> I might go play xbox for a bit. Lol.
[03:01] <grayman> NemesisD, erm no
[03:01] <sotec_prod> Hairulfr, unless you try playing Sony dvd's. I can't get them to work on Feisty, and i'm sure it's the same story for any OS
[03:01] <grayman> it is feisty
[03:01] <dougb_> NemesisD, yes, or just run it when you first install it
[03:02] <misfit_toy> sotec_prod, I read today sony is "going to fix that"...."sooon"
[03:02] <dougb_> NemesisD, there is no reason to do a fresh install once the official ISO is released
[03:02] <grayman> you don't need to do upgrade
[03:02] <sotec_prod> yea, right...
[03:02] <NemesisD> well i'm literally going to install it in about half an hour i think and i don't think final will be out then
[03:02] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: Everything works fine on the desktop, no problems here, the problem with the Mac is DMA, I think...
[03:02] <sotec_prod> lol
[03:02] <sotec_prod> ah
[03:02] <sotec_prod> yea, i don't know much about the inner workings of mac's.
[03:02] <NemesisD> ok im confused now
[03:03] <dougb_> NemesisD, do you know how ubuntu works?
[03:03] <grayman> don't sony stuff it's stuff with a sh*t load of drm?
[03:03] <NemesisD> apparently not
[03:03] <sotec_prod> the only thing i know is that it's a unix-based OS similar to linux, but costs a fortune that i can't see spending when linux is so widely available and free, and in my personal opionion, can do anything mac's can...maybe more. for free...did i mention free?
[03:03] <Hairulfr> grayman: Yes, and all their new DVDs don't work. Lame
[03:03] <grayman> NemesisD, just install it and follow normal updates
[03:04] <NemesisD> rgr, thanks :)
[03:04] <GaiaX11> Feisty stable? When? Tomorrow? At which time?
[03:04] <misfit_toy> sotec_prod, it's free? ;p
[03:04] <jpsamara> lol
[03:04] <misfit_toy> GaiaX11, when it's ready
[03:04] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: I don't care for OSX either... But I like the mac, it's nice and small and it looks ok.
[03:04] <dougb_> NemesisD, when you update your system, it will update it to the current state.  for a person that has used feisty since herd 4, they should still be able to do update tomorrow when the official is released and they will have the official release of feisty, they won't have to download the ISO again
[03:05] <grayman> yeah
[03:05] <Amaranth> I miss my mac mini :(
[03:05] <grayman> just if you want to have a burned feisty
[03:05] <dougb_> NemesisD, this saves you a lot of time from downloading an ISO and reinstalling everytime their is a major release, like how ubuntu 6.06 is actually 6.06.1 now
[03:05] <Amaranth> it was underpowered and didn't have nearly enough RAM for OS X but it was still and awesome piece of hardware
[03:05] <grayman> *stable feisty
[03:05] <NemesisD> ok that's what i was thinking, and they do or dont use apt-get update upgrade to achieve this?
[03:05] <sotec_prod> i like the idea of the minimac
[03:05] <Flankk> GaiaX11, Haven't you heard?  Canonical went under and we're all using Debian now.  It will be released in the next few years, "when it's ready."
 I blame the iPod
[03:05] <NemesisD> kk
[03:06] <Hairulfr> mac/apple
[03:06] <dougb_> to be safe though, for a week or so use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:06] <sotec_prod> it's pretty powerful, small, and stocked, and fairly cheap, considering mac's greediness
[03:06] <dougb_> that sometimes updates some packages that a regular "update" would not install
[03:06] <snowpunk98> Anyone know if the ZImbra install for Ubuntu 6 would install fine on Feisty
[03:06] <taggie> the dvd RC torrent is slow as molasses. I downloaded the entire cd in the time it's taken me to get 20megs of the dvd.
[03:07] <NemesisD> another question, is there a point to giving /boot it's own partition? i've got a 20gb drive, i'm thinking 1gb for swap, but i don't know if i should make /boot it's own partition...
[03:07] <GaiaX11> Flankk: Give me the link for me to prove you answer
[03:07] <dougb_> i've never heard of the /boot folder...
[03:07] <dougb_> do you mean "/home"?
[03:07] <NemesisD> taggie, i've been getting the dvd RC at a steady 700-800KB/s
[03:07] <knix_> How are you suppose to look at files in rescue mode?
[03:08] <NemesisD> not on a torrent though
[03:08] <NemesisD> dougb_, you haven't?
[03:08] <vimalg2> NemesisD: I have the same question, but I think its a redundant idea to keep a separate /boot if you're planning on multi-booting several *nixes on the same disk
[03:08] <knix_>  I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated
[03:08] <NemesisD> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/11/17/ubuntu_laptop.html?page=2 i waas looking at this
[03:08] <Flankk> GaiaX11, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000281.html
[03:08] <NemesisD> ohh
[03:08] <NemesisD> maybe thats why i've been doing it
[03:08] <knix_>  I upgraded my dapper server to edgy, then to feisty, and now when it boots it hangs on "running local scripts etc/rc.local  and just hangs there.   I have no idea how to fix this.  any help is greatly appreciated
[03:08] <sotec_prod> does anyone know about cloning Feisty to another harddrive?
[03:08] <NemesisD> i've been installing on multiboot systems but this is going to be just 1 OS
[03:08] <taggie> sotec_prod, what do you want to do? a full identical copy?
[03:09] <vimalg2> "/boot"  basically just stores the Stage2 of the Grub bootloader
[03:09] <sotec_prod> taggie, yes. I want this install on a larger harddrive, exactly as it is.
[03:09] <Hairulfr> NemesisD: If I could get photoshop working I'd scrap windows as well...
[03:09] <misfit_toy> knix, why would you upgrade a server to a beta OS?
[03:09] <knix_> misfit_toy, not really sure.
[03:09] <TheDebugger> Hairulfr: Use a vm for windows :/
[03:09] <TheDebugger> Hairulfr: Virtualbox is working nicely for me
[03:09] <NemesisD> Hairulfr, oh don't be confused, i'm still running windows/ubuntu dual boot on my desktop, but for this laptop, i have no reason for it to be windows
[03:10] <taggie> sotec_prod, boot from a live-cd, go to a command line, and use "dd if=/dev/<source drive> of=/dev/<destination drive>"
[03:10] <dougb_> NemesisD, i've never looked into the /boot folder too closely
[03:10] <sotec_prod> Hairulfr, if you are willing to pay a measly $32, Pixel 1.0 for linux is almost an exact photoshop clone. I plan on buying it.
[03:10] <dougb_> Hairulfr, you can run photoshop in Wine i believe.  i've heard of some good success stories
[03:10] <ANTDx2> Why not just run Gimp?
[03:10] <Hairulfr> TheDebugger: With Photoshop? I've never had much luck with virtualmachines
[03:10] <RawSewage> GIMP
[03:10] <fulat2k> how's virtualbox performance?
[03:11] <ANTDx2> 9 times out of 10, gimp native is better than wined photoshop
[03:11] <sotec_prod> taggie, yea, someone told me that....will that copy over the correct partitions/swap as well?
[03:11] <NemesisD> GIMP is not the answer
[03:11] <TheDebugger> fulat2k: imo, better than vmware
[03:11] <sotec_prod> or just data
[03:11] <ANTDx2> wine is nice, but  not perfect yet
[03:11] <dougb_> GIMP is always the answer :-P
[03:11] <vimalg2> dougb_: not PShop CS2 i believe
[03:11] <sotec_prod> gimp is pretty much junk
[03:11] <NemesisD> agree
[03:11] <dougb_> it's just as powerful as Photoshop with the right plugins
[03:11] <fulat2k> TheDebugger: omg.... that's awesome... hang on, which version of vmware are you referring to?  iirc, 5.5 had some speed boost
[03:11] <Hairulfr> sotec_prod: Really? Nice, I've had a hard time finding a replacement, and I really really really need photoshop
[03:11] <taggie> sotec_prod, that's a byte for byte copy. absolutely everything. the only thing you'll need to do after that, is expand the partition to use the new space.
[03:11] <RawSewage> you really really dont if you know how to use Gimp
[03:11] <Hairulfr> dougb_: Yeah, I've gotten it startede, splash screen and all, then it just chrashes
[03:11] <sotec_prod> taggie, excellent
[03:12] <sotec_prod> i'll try that then
[03:12] <NemesisD> i wish i could get ultraedit on ubuntu
[03:12] <sotec_prod> taggie, and then i can switch out the hard drives to the larger new one an boot as if nothing happened?
[03:12] <NanaQ> Hi all ,is there any program like sony vegas on ubuntu?
[03:12] <fulat2k> NemesisD: doesn't it run on wine?
[03:12] <RawSewage> GIMP is going to surpass PS CS soon
[03:12] <NemesisD> eh i'd feel silly running vm for a text editor
[03:12] <taggie> sotec_prod, yes, dd will do the boot blocks and all.
[03:12] <vimalg2> NemesisD:there's a few good IDE's like Eclipse that can do Ultraedit and make plutonium
[03:13] <dougb_> gedit works great for me
[03:13] <vimalg2> :)
[03:13] <RawSewage> as will Ubuntu pass Windows.   Because both have tons more developers than the handful that work at Adobe and Microsoft
[03:13] <dougb_> i use it for editing PHP and C source files all the time
[03:13] <NanaQ> ...
[03:13] <vimalg2> Eclipse is awfully memory intensive though for ppl on 256Mb or less
[03:13] <NemesisD> eclipse you say...
[03:13] <GeekChick|> I think gedit works just fine . . .
[03:13] <RawSewage> I like KWrite for coding php
[03:13] <NemesisD> i have 1gb ddr2 on this laptop
[03:13] <sotec_prod> awesome. taggie, why is that dd command so close to the format dd command? it's a bit scary...
[03:13] <knix__> NanaQ, there are so apps out there that can handle that
[03:13] <kde185> I'm a fan of emacs myself
[03:13] <ceil420> RawSewage, you know when the new GIMP is comin' out, then?
[03:14] <ceil420> cos i can't wait for Jitter :x
[03:14] <dougb_> RawSewage, im a gnome guy :-P
[03:14] <RawSewage> ceil420, no
[03:14] <carlosqueso> kde185, me too
[03:14] <ceil420> i think they have a long way to go before surpassing PS CS, but i do hope that they one day do so
[03:14] <vimalg2> dd is scary like  a stick of n.korean plutonium. You never know what its meant to be used for
[03:14] <taggie> sotec, just make damn sure you get if= and of= right. there is no going back if you accidentally flip source and destination.
[03:14] <sotec_prod> right.
[03:15] <dougb_> i remember my  first experience with red hat linux 7.  linux has gone a LONG way in general since then, and a very rapid succession
[03:15] <ceil420> on-the-fly brush resizing and scatter ('jitter' in the new GIMP, i've heard) would be a great start ^^
[03:15] <taggie> vimalg2, that's a great analogy :)
[03:15] <misfit_toy> gvim is nice as an editor, the power of vim in a gui
[03:15] <kde185> yes...I remember my first time with linux as well...memories
[03:20] <ceil420> yeah, so do i
[03:20] <ceil420> it was like 2 months ago
[03:20] <ceil420> :p
[03:20] <sotec_prod> dougb_, i hated linux in those days. I tried Debian woody, redhat 8, and couldn't understand nor stand it. Now, there's no going back, mwahaha
[03:20] <kde185> as did I
[03:20] <sotec_prod> i won't use windows any more
[03:20] <vimalg2> I  think my first distro was Redhat 5.2. Of course not havng internet access at that time really messed up the Linux experience
[03:20] <sotec_prod> unless it's a dualboot for games
[03:20] <sotec_prod> which i'm considering
[03:20] <ceil420> well, i had seen linux before 2 months ago, but that was just pokin' around in Mandrake 7 and SuSE 8.2
[03:20] <taggie> slackware from floppies sucked.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> now that i have 160gb hdd
[03:20] <kde185> I wanna try some KVM virtualization for games...apparently it works really well
[03:20] <ceil420> no more than 2hrs total spent on linux before this year
[03:20] <NemesisD> i mainly use windows for games and then other stuff because it takes too long to boot into windows to go back and forth all the time
[03:20] <taggie> i mean, it was cool at the time and everything but looking back.. floppy installs sucked.
[03:20] <vimalg2> How many folks here reccomend the Ubuntu DVD? Does it only contain useful(read as cool hacks) stuff
[03:20] <sotec_prod> Nem, yea. Feisty boots up in less than 3 minutes for me.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> Windows took at least 5 with all the programs i had installed
[03:20] <ceil420> Feisty boots up pretty quick for me, too
[03:20] <spikeb> ive never had a computer take three minutes to boot
[03:20] <NemesisD> same
[03:20] <spikeb> not even close
[03:20] <NemesisD> i don't know why that is though
[03:20] <alka_trasg> looks like feisty is all done
[03:20] <kde185> huh?
[03:20] <NanaQ> I just wanna edit my movie,but linux may suppory it poor.I mean freeware you know.wish you suggestion.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> Feisty is fantastic.  :-D
[03:20] <spikeb> xubuntu has to cheat at booting
[03:20] <ceil420> <=- on Xubuntu Feisty
[03:20] <ceil420> <3
[03:20] <spikeb> it's insane.
[03:20] <vimalg2> sotec_prod: ~understanding wink~
[03:20] <NemesisD> 97% done with the feisty dvd
[03:20] <Vessquire> You guys are not talking about the release right?
[03:20] <NemesisD> i can't get any friggn work done
[03:20] <sotec_prod> i liked xubuntu for my slow machine, but for this machine, I'm not scared to run a more fluffy distro like feisty
[03:20] <ceil420> i got it yesterday, Vessquire
[03:20] <ceil420> so, no
[03:20] <alka_trasg> I wonder is there is going to be anymore updates
[03:20] <Vessquire> one would hope not
[03:20] <taggie> NemesisD, when you're done downloading the dvd, seed the torrent, it needs all the help it can get.
[03:20] <sotec_prod> ok, i'm going for gold here. time to clone this beast! thanks for the help taggie
[03:20] <Zancat> Feisty is out now?
[03:20] <vimalg2> somebody_: right. I'm still on wierd esoteric hardware from Via. i'll have to stick to xUbuntu
[03:20] <ceil420> Zancat, not Final
[03:20] <Zancat> oh, poo
[03:20] <Vessquire> not the release zancat
[03:20] <taggie> sotec_prod, good luck, drop back in if you need help.
[03:20] <NemesisD> taggie, its not a torrent
[03:20] <sotec_prod> thanks taggie
[03:20] <GeekChick|> What would happen if you did apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and you had gnome-desktop installed? ive installed xfce4 by itself before, but will the two desktops conflict if you install the "xubuntu-desktop"?
[03:20] <NanaQ> Ah,the ubuntu 7.04 was released? but the webpage is still"Tomorrow"
[03:20] <taggie> NemesisD, you can still seed the torrent if you've got the file.
[03:20] <AaronM> where will the torrent be when it comes out?
[03:20] <vimalg2> Did anyone try rsync'ing the 15Apr release of the Feisty ISO's
[03:20] <ceil420> NanaQ, Beta
[03:20] <carlosqueso> GeekChick...you'd have xfce, and some other progs, but it wouldn't conflict
[03:20] <vimalg2> the idea is that you can rsync again to get the difference bytes
[03:20] <carlosqueso> that's how I installed on the machine I"m using now
[03:21] <vimalg2> I think its a bunch of crap
[03:21] <NanaQ> Ok,I'll wait it.
[03:21] <NemesisD> taggie, ok where do i get the torrent file? and are we sure it's the exact same file?
[03:21] <taggie> GeekChick, from what I understand, it will just add Xfce to the session list.
[03:21] <Shootfast> its the 19th where I am, and ive been waiting all day :(
[03:21] <ceil420> NanaQ, that's what i said, but i couldn't wait :p
[03:21] <GeekChick|> carlosqueso, but xubuntu-desktop wont conflict with gnome-desktop, because i know xfce4 by itself doesnt conflict, but it has none of the xubuntu icons.
[03:21] <NemesisD> taggie, i got mine from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/
[03:21] <RawSewage> how would I find the name of a package like Eye of Gnome
[03:21] <taggie> NemesisD, the .torrent should be in the same place you got the .iso from.
[03:21] <ceil420> Shootfast, that's what you get for living in aus :p
[03:21] <ceil420> (kidding)
[03:21] <Shootfast> :S
[03:22] <NemesisD> ohh duhh
[03:22] <taggie> NemesisD, yep, from that directory: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/20070418/feisty-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[03:22] <RawSewage> how do you use CLI to find the name of a package using search terms
[03:22] <NemesisD> downthemall is performing an EPIC merge right now
[03:22] <spikeb> RawSewage, apt-cache search searchterms
[03:22] <RawSewage> spikeb, ty
[03:22] <spikeb> RawSewage, you bet :)
[03:22] <RawSewage> spikeb, that will come in handy
[03:22] <sahafeez> is the image for 7.04 server up anywhere yet?
[03:23] <spikeb> RawSewage, it is very very handy
[03:23] <spikeb> RawSewage, it's my favorite command :)
[03:23] <carlosqueso> GeekChick, I promise, it won't conflict...although it will change the usplash (booting screen) to xubuntu
[03:23] <spikeb> xubuntu's usplash is perty
[03:23] <carlosqueso> I even use gnome from time to time on this machine
[03:23] <ceil420> i like my 'running mouse' splash screen :p
[03:23] <carlosqueso> agreed
[03:23] <GeekChick|> carlosqueso, lol, that isnt that big of a deal
[03:23] <GeekChick|> as long as it isnt kubuntu splash
[03:23] <spikeb> heh
[03:23] <ceil420> lmao GeekChick|
[03:24] <carlosqueso> naw...it's a fun splash lol
[03:24] <Shootfast> KDE is awesom
[03:24] <NemesisD> ok something killed firefox :[
[03:24] <Shootfast> e
[03:24] <kde185> KDE isn't that bad
[03:24] <spikeb> kde is still better than explorer (the windows gui) :)
[03:24] <Shootfast> better than *shudders* gnome
[03:24] <Hairulfr> kde185: Eeeew :D
[03:24] <GeekChick|> Shootfast, KDE is 10x more complex and riddled with redundent option menu's than anything else ive ever seen.
[03:24] <GeekChick|> its so bloated its not funny
[03:24] <ceil420> lol spikeb
[03:24] <ceil420> true, that
[03:25] <Shootfast> better than having to be babysat through everything and not being able to set your own stuff
[03:25] <vimalg2> heh he
[03:25] <spikeb> kde 4 is on track to fix that GeekChick|,s hould be interesting
[03:25] <Shootfast> exactly :D
[03:25] <kde185> agreed
[03:25] <GeekChick|> its impossibly hard to configure kde with that stupid preferences area
[03:25] <carlosqueso> KDE kills my old slow computer
[03:25] <spikeb> i've been a gnome user for a long time, i just can't get used to anything else. thankfully, gnome is pretty good heh
[03:25] <misfit_toy> kde is more bloated than vista
[03:25] <Fylk> Hey guys, how do you get root access via the gui browser. i remember its a <Something or other> nautilus.
[03:25] <ceil420> i got Xfce because of my "slow" computer
[03:25] <GeekChick|> brb. restarting after ubuntu 7.04 update.
[03:25] <ceil420> (it's not *that* bad, but it ain't exactly new)
[03:25] <spikeb> Fylk, sudo
[03:25] <Shootfast> sudo nautilus
[03:26] <ceil420> hf GeekChick|  o/
[03:26] <kde185> though I do wonder what the hell the developers were thinking when they put a big ass K in every program name...
[03:26] <vimalg2> [kde]  the term is feature bloat, i believe
[03:26] <Fylk> Thanks guys.
[03:26] <spikeb> kde185, haha, i dont mind that bit of it actually, gives naming consistancy.
[03:26] <Shootfast> its KOOL :P
[03:26] <kde185> lol
[03:26] <misfit_toy> it's krud
[03:26] <nomasteryoda> repos are frozen for Feisty
[03:26] <vimalg2> kde185: hell if i had my way it should've been a bigass V
[03:26] <ceil420> misfit_toy, that "more bloated than vista" may have been a bit rough lol
[03:26] <vimalg2> maybe there's a story behind the K
[03:27] <ceil420> but i've never seen Vista, so i dno
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> No
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> eisty will be released when it is released.
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> Feisty
[03:27] <nomasteryoda> that is whats on the ubuntu+1 channel
[03:27] <Shootfast> vimalg2: it used to stand for kool desktop environment (coz c was for common desktop environment)
[03:27] <misfit_toy> ceil420, then again maybe not, I got around vista easier in a day on my wife's new laptop than the last time I looked at kde which was about 4 months ago
[03:27] <spikeb> this week is the timeframe. :)
[03:27] <VR_> this IS the ubuntu+1 channel
[03:27] <carlosqueso> vimalg2, it was first invented by King K. Rool with his stolen banana revenues
[03:27] <spikeb> carlosqueso, i knew there was a reason i didnt like it!
[03:28] <kde185> King K. Rool....what was that from?
[03:28] <ceil420> i just looked briefly at Kubuntu when a friend sent me all three (not edu-) versions in the mail
[03:28] <RawSewage> DKC
[03:28] <ceil420> i'd already looked at Xubuntu and fallen in love :p
[03:28] <carlosqueso> Donkey Kong Country
[03:28] <vimalg2> and GOD(Shuttleworth) sez : It is DONE. Go forth and burn and multiply!!!
[03:28] <kde185> oh yeah :P
[03:28] <RawSewage> YAY
[03:28] <Chetwin> !xscale
[03:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xscale - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:28] <Fylk> Hey, is there any way to work with the .net framework in Feisty?
[03:28] <spikeb> Fylk, parts of it.
[03:28] <spikeb> Fylk, via mono
[03:28] <carlosqueso> vimalg2, not on website, got link?
[03:28] <iram> fylk: mono
[03:29] <antiNeo> Shouldn't Feisty Fawn have been released by now? it's 1:30 am on the 19 of April in GMT :(
[03:29] <Fylk> Hm.....
[03:29] <ceil420> lol
[03:29] <Fylk> Cool. I'll try that out.
[03:29] <antiNeo> you guys are an hour and 30 minutes late ;-P
[03:29] <ceil420> antiNeo, wait for it to be the 19th in Hawaii, then complain
[03:29] <vimalg2> carlosqueso: nah... just adlibbing
[03:29] <RawSewage> vimalg2, where did you get that from
[03:29] <vimalg2> carlosqueso:I'm waiting too
[03:29] <spikeb> Fylk, mono isn't just a MS.NET clone though, it also offers it's own stack of tech, like gtk# :)
[03:30] <carlosqueso> ah....don't play with our emotions like that
[03:30] <TheCreationist> I just did a fresh install of Feisty and my system now takes a good 3 minutes to boot.  When booting in recovery mode, it hangs with the following errors:  1) "qc timeout"  2) "failed to [something]  xfermod"  and 3) "Unable to recover some devices"    Any ideas?
[03:30] <Fylk> Interesting.
[03:30] <RawSewage> vimalg2, did you make that up
[03:30] <jdrake> TheCreationist: You tried to evolve it, and it failed.
[03:30] <vimalg2> whoa... It was  a joke.
[03:30] <Hairulfr> jdrake: LOL
[03:31] <ceil420> lol jdrake
[03:31] <TheCreationist> jdrake: What do you mean I tried to evolve it?
[03:31] <TheCreationist> ah
[03:31] <ceil420> :p
[03:31] <TheCreationist> You're being witty
[03:31] <kde185> lol
[03:31] <jdrake> TheCreationist: You figured me out.
[03:31] <GeekChick|> Im running feisty fawn perfectly.
[03:31] <TheCreationist> So... does anyone have any REAL ideas?
[03:31] <Shootfast> same
[03:31] <kde185> rm -Rf
[03:31] <ceil420> GeekChick|, i only had one issue, which was my fault anyway :p
[03:31] <ceil420> and i'm a noob
[03:31] <Shootfast> rm -rf /
[03:32] <TheCreationist> ugh... and this is the best Ubuntu communty's got to offer?
[03:32] <GeekChick|> TheCreationist, yes, unless you are TheEvolutionist.
[03:32] <Stoffer> would changing the driver for my wireless card effect the signal strength?
[03:32] <ceil420> lol
[03:33] <taggie> TheCreationist, are you using the RC?
[03:33] <GeekChick|> Stoffer, yes.
[03:33] <TheCreationist> taggie: I'm using the daily build
[03:34] <vimalg2> Stoffer: not if you stick a pringles can to the end of it just to make sure you don't...
[03:34] <Fylk> Question, we're still on schedule for release for tomorrow?
[03:34] <taggie> TheCreationist: did it run properly from the CD on your system? did the install finish completely? and does it completely hang and never return or what?
[03:34] <GeekChick|> I miss that cute little mouse loading screen
[03:34] <Stoffer> vimalg2, ?
[03:34] <ceil420> that's the loading screen i got ^^
[03:34] <TheCreationist> taggie: The install went just as expected, no problems until the first reboot.  It doesn't hang indefinitely, but when running in recovery mode, it pauses on these errors and then retries 3 times before continuing.
[03:35] <Stoffer> how do I change the driver?
[03:35] <vimalg2> Stoffer: google for pringles and wifi to get a better idea
[03:35] <GeekChick|> Hah, i hit my first issue. apt-get only knows the CD exists.
[03:35] <Fylk> TheCreationist, what errors?
[03:35] <vimalg2> Stoffer: use NDISwrapper if in serious trouble
[03:35] <Fylk> Also, what are the mechine's specs.
[03:35] <taggie> TheCreationist: when finished booting, can you paste the output from dmesg?
[03:35] <taggie> !paste
[03:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:36] <Stoffer> vimalg2, ic.  The problem is that in windows I get 100%, but in ubuntu it's 50%
[03:36] <jdrake> Does anyone know of good reasons to use a particular file system on a desktop system? Readability in Windows is not an issue. Ext3 has an annoying disk check.
[03:36] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: Some device that doesn't work properly, that's all I can help you with unfortunately
[03:36] <TheCreationist> Fylk: 1) "qc timed out"  2) "Failed to [something]  xfermod"  and 3) "Unable to recover some devices"
[03:36] <Fylk> Thanks Taggie, I was just about to say that.
[03:36] <NanaQ> anybody installed i686 kernel parkage?I installed it ,but doesn't know it work or not.
[03:36] <Fylk> .......My gut telss me the last two are driver issues.
[03:36] <GeekChick|> There we go.
[03:36] <VirhYl4> Is there a #ubuntu-wine somewhere?
[03:36] <vimalg2> Room: anyone who has better experiences with wifi?
[03:36] <Shootfast> join /#wine
[03:37] <GeekChick|> vimalg2, what card?
[03:37] <taggie> NanaQ: check the output from "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[03:37] <GeekChick|> vimalg2, I have Intel Proset 3945 ABG
[03:37] <vimalg2> jdrake: use XFS for roaring performance, like a ferrari
[03:37] <VirhYl4> you meant #winehq
[03:37] <Shootfast> VirhYl4: guess not :P
[03:37] <VirhYl4> :)
[03:37] <NanaQ> ok taggie,i'll try it.
[03:37] <vimalg2> jdrake: also crashed like a ford
[03:37] <Chetwin> !pocketpc
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pocketpc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <Chetwin> !windowsmobile
[03:38] <jdrake> vimalg2: Telling me not to use xfs?
[03:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowsmobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:38] <taggie> NanaQ: sorry, brainfart, check "uname -a" that should tell you the running kernel, the /proc/cpuinfo should list the processors and info about them as far as the kernel is concerned.
[03:38] <taggie> Fylk, not a problem :)
[03:38] <VirhYl4> I was looking for specific wine-ubuntu.... thanks though: http://swik.net/Ubuntu/Planet+Ubuntu/Stephan+Hermann%3A+News+%26+Future+Ideas/33as
[03:38] <vimalg2> GeekChick|: its for Stoffer
[03:39] <GeekChick|> vimalg2, dont know what card he/she has.
[03:39] <vimalg2> jdrake: Use XFS if you have high bandwidth applicationslike video-editing/hosting
[03:39] <GeekChick|> brb. testing xubuntu-desktop
[03:39] <TheCreationist> taggie, fylk:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16336/
[03:39] <vimalg2> jdrake: I'm planning to switch my mp3 jukebox to an XFS volume
[03:39] <taggie> TheCreationist, is that the whole output from dmesg?
[03:40] <vimalg2> jdrake: even IBM developerwoks concedes that XFS rocks the pants off ext3
[03:40] <TheCreationist> taggie: No.  Just the part with the errors... should I do the whole thing?
[03:40] <adultswim> I understand from the topic that we dont have an "exact" release date, but i assume that means its been pushed back again... anyone have any good ideas as to *about* when that will be?
[03:40] <jdrake> vimalg2: I do not keep a big media collection. It is basically some programming, somewhat playing music occasionally, odd video (one a week or so). Pretty much regular desktop.
[03:40] <taggie> TheCreationist: yeah, i just want to make sure i've got the whole picture
[03:40] <vimalg2> ReiserFS is having a bad time of late
[03:40] <RAOF> jdrake: EXT3 is pretty good for that.  EXT3 is pretty good, periond.
[03:40] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: looks like you're running -14 kernel.  thats the exact error i got.
[03:40] <vimalg2> jdrake: for reliabilty and sanity of mind use journalled ext3. Its a very safe bet
[03:41] <jdrake> I definitely will not ever use reiser again.
[03:41] <RAOF> jdrake: You can disable the "check every 30 mounts" thing if you like.
[03:41] <TheCreationist> taggie: Okay, I updated it.
[03:41] <taggie> hohlraum, if he's using daily build, it should be the 15 kernel
[03:41] <jdrake> I might do that then.
[03:41] <TheCreationist> taggie: It is the -15
[03:41] <taggie> Good
[03:42] <Flankk> adultswim, In an hour.
[03:42] <jdrake> Is there anything I can do to improve its speed at checking itself, by changing options to mke2fs?
[03:42] <taggie> TheCreationist, I don't see the whole thing, still the same
[03:42] <chowmeined> Is thunderbird 2.0 going to be in feisty?
[03:42] <spikeb> no
[03:42] <RAOF> jdrake: I don't think so
[03:42] <TheCreationist> taggie: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16337/
[03:42] <TheCreationist> ah... it creats a new url for it... sorry
[03:43] <taggie> TheCreationist: okay, just to sound professional and whatnot: "please hold while i process your request"
[03:43] <TheCreationist> haha... right
[03:43] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: so its not booting with -15?
[03:43] <adultswim> flankk, lol.... then the topic is kinda misleading cuz it makes it sound like it was pushed back with "its relaesed when its released" :P  thanks though :)
[03:44] <TheCreationist> Hohlraum: It is booting with -15... just takes a LONG time.
[03:44] <Flankk> adultswim, yes, it is misleading.
[03:44] <absum> anyone got nvidia driver working?? they worked when i ran from livecd but now that ive installed feisty it just dont work
[03:44] <vimalg2> OFFTOPIC: anyone here used scribd.com for ebooks?
[03:45] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: the issue with -14 was initrd wasn't being rebuilt if i heard correctly. looks to me like carry over.  can you boot into -13 and do a dist-upgrade?
[03:45] <TheCreationist> hmm... I can't find the codec installing app in Feisty... what's it called?
[03:45] <dougb_> TheCreationist, just try to play a media file
[03:45] <dougb_> it will ask you to install it
[03:45] <TheCreationist> dougb_: I did...
[03:45] <adultswim> absum, not the nvidia drivers, but with my ATI drivers, it worked with the livecd, but not after installing... i was able to fix it by lowering the depth to 16b from 24b in the xorg.conf file... no idea if thats your problem or not though.
[03:46] <dougb_> then it should play
[03:46] <TheCreationist> dougb_: I tried both Amarok and Kaffeine... Amarok offered to install support, but when I said yes, nothing happened.
[03:46] <Hohlraum> TheCreationist: there isn't one just try to play a file that isn't supported
[03:46] <TheCreationist> Kaffeine just didn't offer at all.
[03:46] <absum> adultswim, well ill just try that one then
[03:46] <dougb_> its the gstreamer
[03:46] <dougb_> it'll be tagged "dirty" or something
[03:46] <adultswim> what do i need to install to be able to play DVDs?
[03:46] <vafada> adultswim, VLC?
[03:47] <dougb_> adultswim, the same thing TheCreationist is looking for
[03:47] <TheCreationist> What's with the screenshots of the "NEW" codec installation program?  I can't find that.
[03:47] <Hohlraum> adultswim: a patent license ;)
[03:47] <kde185> do a quick google search for decoding dvd css
[03:47] <RAOF> !medibuntu
[03:47] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[03:47] <kde185> there are plenty of tutorials
[03:48] <DarkMageZ> TheCreationist, try and open a music file with rhythmbox or totem which it doesn't have the codec for :)
[03:48] <taggie> TheCreationist, are you absolutely certain your ATA disks are configured correctly? if so, you may need to submit a bug report, if you do, be sure to include the model numbers of the offending devices.
[03:48] <hossosor> i'm going to assume this question has been asked to exhaustion, but when will official Feisty be released? some say tomorrow, some say tonight, some say next week.....i'm confuzed
[03:48] <adultswim> RAOF, thanks
[03:48] <dougb_> hossosor, tomorrow
[03:48] <hossosor> doubg_: thanks
[03:48] <TheCreationist> taggie: Absolutely certain?  No.  But they've worked in Windows and Edgy without a problem.
[03:48] <vafada> its already april 19 in Asia!
[03:48] <Hohlraum> taggie: dude it sounds like carry over from the -14 issue .. he is getting the EXACT same problem that brought about the -15 release
[03:48] <Hairulfr> adultswim: www.ubuntuguide.org ctrl + f for "multimedia" / "dvd" and follow the guide. Should work fine for feisty
[03:48] <billy> why won't sbackup allow me any other option than manual backup only?
[03:48] <Fylk> Hey guys, a little help?
[03:48] <Fylk> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat
[03:48] <dougb_> vafada, well it's tomorrow for you too :-P
[03:48] <Fylk> Where are the directories this person talks about?
[03:49] <taggie> Hohlraum, yeah, but that should definitely go into a bug report
[03:49] <TheCreationist> DarkMageZ: And that doesn't help.  I get no prompt to install the codecs.
[03:49] <jdrake> I love the program badblocks
[03:49] <outofhere> when 7.04 will he released (tomorrow, but what hours of the day) ??
[03:49] <kde185> 3 hours ago ;)
[03:49] <DarkMageZ> TheCreationist, it should prompt you now...
[03:49] <Hairulfr> outofhere: When it works, I guess
[03:49] <AForgue> Any tips for getting sound working in Feisty?
[03:49] <dougb_> outofhere, within 24 hours of tomorrow
[03:49] <outofhere> Hairulfr: lol, good answer :D
[03:50] <vafada> its 11 AM in australia.. shouldi contact my australian friends? :)
[03:50] <Hairulfr> outofhere: :P
[03:50] <dougb_> AForgue, im having the same problem as you, it should be fixed in the next kernel update
[03:50] <outofhere> dougb_: thaks dougb_
[03:50] <AForgue> dougb_: I've had sound working before, but all of a sudden it has stopped working
[03:50] <Flankk> dougb_, don't you mean within 23 hours from now?
[03:51] <jdrake> May the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster touch the cd as it spins in the drive.
[03:51] <kde185> isn't it 2:50 GMT right now?
[03:51] <taggie> TheCreationist: I'm fairly certain you're experiencing a device specific problem, and it definitely should have a report made. What devices do you have in there?
[03:51] <Flankk> jdrake, rAmen.
[03:51] <dougb_> AForgue, it broke for me around 2.6.20-13
[03:51] <hossosor> does anyone know if ubuntu 7.04 will run linuxmce? i asked in their channel with no luck.
[03:51] <AForgue> SB Audigy
[03:51] <TheCreationist> taggie: I don't remember... it's a seagate drive
[03:51] <ANTDx2> rAmen!
[03:51] <kde185> Fylk: which directories?
[03:52] <concept10> hossosor, maybe because you can goto the site and check
[03:52] <Fylk> Check the link.
[03:52] <TheCreationist> Does anyone know what the actual program is to install codecs??
[03:52] <dougb_> hossosor, linuxmce is a distro that impliments mythTV
[03:52] <hossosor> concept10: i found no answer.  as of today, it only runs on 6.10. as of "tomorrow", it could run on 7.04.  hence the question
[03:53] <taggie> TheCreationist: sorry, i don't think anything I can do for you will help. it's most likely going to need a kernel patch if it's a weird device issue, and if Hohlraum is correct, it's going to need an update built anyway.
[03:53] <RAOF> TheCreationist: Synaptic/Add-Remove/apt-get/aptitude
[03:53] <dougb_> TheCreationist, synaptics will let you install anything
[03:53] <hossosor> dougb_: thanks
[03:53] <TheCreationist> RAOF: I meant the new gizmo that was supposed to be included with Feisty.
[03:54] <TheCreationist> of course, I don't have sound now either, for some reason.
[03:54] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: You mean the automatic codec installer?
[03:54] <TheCreationist> Hairulfr: Yes.
[03:54] <RAOF> TheCreationist: It's not a program, as far as I'm aware.  You just try to play a file with gstreamer, and it suggests the appropriate gstramer plugin
[03:54] <TheCreationist> ...maybe it isn't included with Kubuntu?
[03:54] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: I haven't found it in beta, so...
[03:54] <TheCreationist> RAOF: I tried that... it doesn't offer it.
[03:55] <dougb_> TheCreationist, i believe it isnt implimented as well as it is in ubuntu
[03:55] <TheCreationist> ...was supposedly also capable of installing Flash 9 plugin... not seeing that either.
[03:55] <RAOF> TheCreationist: You need to be using a Gstreamer application.  And I don't think KDE apps use GST very much.
[03:55] <dougb_> TheCreationist, on feisty 7.04, i've been able to install flash 9 through firefox itself
[03:55] <Hairulfr> TheCreationist: Are you thinking of EasyUbuntu?
[03:55] <DarkMageZ> hossosor, currently only 6.10 is supported. you could attempt to use the 6.10 package on feisty, but there is a good chance of running into issues.
[03:55] <Fylk> Where would the directory that includes /xchat-systray be?
[03:56] <AForgue> How should I go about setting my PCI card as the default ALSA device (right now it is setting my motherboard as the default)
[03:56] <RAOF> AForgue: Check out asoundconf
[03:57] <Hohlraum> AForgue: also you bios might support disabling onboard sound which would have the same affect should you not use it
[03:57] <AForgue> I see
[03:57] <AForgue> Ok, I will give it a shot, thanks
[03:57] <Fylk> What directory is xchat installed into with the default install?
[03:58] <Hohlraum> Fylk: dpkg -L xchat
[03:58] <kde185> ok this might be a stupid question, but will the new codec installer work for kubuntu and will it install libdvdcss?
[03:59] <spikeb> kde185, no to the last part
[03:59] <RAOF> kde185: No it won't install libdvdcss, because it's not a codec :)
[03:59] <DarkMageZ> kde185, it is only for gstreamer based stuff. most kde apps aren't gstreamer based (yet).
[03:59] <Fylk> Hohlraum, will that open the directory it is installed in?
[04:00] <Hohlraum> Fylk: it'll show you were all the files were installed for that package
[04:00] <Fylk> Nice.
[04:00] <RAOF> Fylk: You have a fundamental misunderstanding.  There *is* no directory that xchat is "installed" in.
[04:00] <AForgue> Woo hoo - asound worked! Thanks
[04:00] <Fylk> Ah, ok. would it help you guys to know what I'm trying to do?
[04:00] <RAOF> Fylk: The binary is going to be in /usr/bin, the config will be in /etc & ~/.xchat, any libraries will be in /usr/lib, and a bunch of other places
[04:01] <spenc3> got a question on gstreamer.. how come my xvid movies are choppy??
[04:01] <Hohlraum> Fylk: unix type operating systems tend to distribute the files for a given software across multiple directories so that similar files are in similar locations across apps
[04:01] <carlosqueso> Fylk...quite possibly
[04:01] <Fylk> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat
[04:01] <Fylk> Installing that jazz.
[04:01] <|NewUser|> is there any p2p client except emule ?
[04:01] <RAOF> Bittorrent.
[04:01] <kde185> Frostwire
[04:01] <spikeb> sweet sweet bittorrent
[04:01] <carlosqueso> !info gtk-gnutella | |NewUser|
[04:02] <ubotu> |newuser|: gtk-gnutella: shares files in a peer to peer network. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.96.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2205 kB, installed size 7548 kB
[04:02] <|NewUser|> RAOF, i think bittorrent port is blocked on my network.
[04:02] <kde185> I'm sorry but gtk-gnutella is a clunky POS
[04:02] <Angeluz> Hopefully there will a be a stable (!!!) LinuxDC++-Client sometime...
[04:02] <carlosqueso> eh...works for me
[04:03] <RAOF> |NewUser|: Which suggests that they don't want you using P2P software of any kind, right :)
[04:03] <kde185> yeah it works I guess...but it just seems very clunky
[04:03] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, linuxdc++ is fairly stable
[04:04] <|NewUser|> RAOF, umm i think u are right.
[04:04] <spikeb> it has an abomination of a user interface, kde185 heh
[04:04] <Angeluz> Then I have the wrong version.
[04:04] <spikeb> should fit right in with kde applications, actually ;)
[04:04] <Angeluz> The one from the repos sucks on my box. :-(
[04:04] <sdfasdfawef> will the beta automatically update itself to the final release?
[04:04] <RAOF> YEs.
[04:04] <sdfasdfawef> snazzy
[04:05] <beg1689> hi
[04:05] <mphill> hi
[04:05] <Fylk> I'm still doing a clean in stall sdfasdawef.
[04:05] <beg1689> im having a problem with my sound i installed LAMP, and now only root can use audio
[04:05] <TheCreationist> Okay, could someone help me get my sound working in Feisty now?
[04:05] <beg1689> lol
[04:05] <mphill> beg1689, simple, add the user to the audio group
[04:06] <beg1689> does that count as a bug?
[04:06] <beg1689> i was in the group before..
[04:06] <mphill> maybe?
[04:06] <beg1689> i mean, the sound worked before i set up the server
[04:07] <beg1689> wow
[04:07] <TheCreationist> hehe, my sound doesn't work in Feisty, and I can't even change to administrator mode in User Management
[04:07] <beg1689> thats interesting
[04:07] <mphill> type id username
[04:07] <Crazytom> does xubuntu feisty come out at the same time as reg ubuntu?
[04:07] <beg1689> you know the options under "User Privelges"?
[04:07] <mphill> beg1689, yes
[04:07] <beg1689> after installing apache they are ALL unchecked
[04:07] <spenc3> anyone know if http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+X-Fi.&chip=UNKNOWN&module=emu10k1#links works for x-fi
[04:07] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, there's an actual linuxdc++ client. what were you using?
[04:08] <Angeluz> linuxdc++ :)
[04:08] <Angeluz> As I wrote.
[04:08] <beg1689> does "Administer the system" mean enable sudo for that user?
[04:08] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, which repository did you get that from :s
[04:08] <mphill> spenc3, fuck creative, mine is super flakey!  they are promising drivers sometime in the future
[04:08] <TheCreationist> beg1689: Yes.
[04:08] <Angeluz> One from the german ubuntuusers.de forums.
[04:09] <spenc3> mphill: well, so sound finally comes out from the card??!??!
[04:09] <|NewUser|> umm Frostwire is not in any repos?
[04:09] <beg1689> awesome
[04:09] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, how old was that package?
[04:09] <Crazytom> i just had to order a new soundcard because my brandnew xfi card won't work with linux
[04:09] <Angeluz> DarkMageZ: Don't know, to be honest. :-/
[04:09] <mphill> spenc3, not really, sort of, i get this on off beep often times, i already contacted creative about the issue.  they are worthless....
[04:09] <mphill> I am using my mobo audio now :(
[04:10] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, it was fairly bad awhile ago. but it has seriously improved recently.
[04:10] <Fylk> How do I change the notification area icons for xchat?
[04:10] <Angeluz> Where did you get yours from?
[04:10] <Fylk> assuming I have icons to replace them.
[04:10] <DarkMageZ> Angeluz, i built mine from source
[04:11] <spenc3> mphill: well, creative won't help i guess, ppl reverse engineer their proud proprietary card.. they are not gonna help
[04:11] <Angeluz> Okay...
[04:11] <|NewUser|> RAOF, is there any download accelerator there? which one resume or download a file more then 1 connection. same time? like I download manager or download accelerator?
[04:11] <Angeluz> Hmmm... I should take a look at it.
[04:12] <mphill> spenc3, have you seen how pathetic http://opensource.creative.com/ is, its like made with MS frontpage from 1998
[04:12] <RAOF> !info d4x | |NewUser|
[04:12] <ubotu> |newuser|: d4x: graphical download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-4 (feisty), package size 721 kB, installed size 2048 kB
[04:12] <|NewUser|> RAOF, thankyou :)
[04:13] <spenc3> mphill.. i thought someone hacked the site and put that in for the longest time.. LOL..
[04:13] <Fylk> ARG!  I'm trying to install these icons: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49026963/?qo=1&q=in%3Acustomization%2Ficons%2Fos%2Fnix+sort%3Atime+xchat
[04:25] <knix> How does Ubuntu manage to change the screen res/refresh while X is running?
[04:25] <OAMOAM> /heop
[04:27] <RAOF> knix: With the XRandR extension.
[04:27] <knix> Somehow it's not allowing me to select 60Hz, and even xrandr tells meit's not available :'(
[04:27] <knix> It goes on and off ... like if I keep HUPing gdm, it'll eventually get 60
[04:28] <spenc3> Still kinda wish this version is called flavor flav instead....................................
[04:28] <Angeluz> Lesbian Licker... ;)
[04:31] <rohan> hi. will a RC iso be released, before final ?
[04:32] <Hairulfr> rohan: RC has been skipped,
[04:32] <rohan> cool
[04:32] <Hairulfr> rohan: Straight to final, in x hours
[04:32] <LordLimecat> feisty beta+update=final, correct?
[04:32] <LordLimecat> no need to reinstall?
[04:32] <spikeb> yehah
[04:32] <rohan> ah, so release date has not been pushed back !
[04:32] <rohan> LordLimecat: yes
[04:32] <spikeb> erm. yeah.
[04:32] <absum> hey, someone who knows how to get decoration with compiz?
[04:32] <LordLimecat> woot
[04:32] <dcushman> will beta be able to be apt upgraded to final?
[04:32] <rohan> absum: it's installed by default in ubuntu 7.04
[04:33] <taggie> rohan, check the topic, there's a final candidate
[04:33] <LordLimecat> so when does the invasion of #ubuntu begin?  when do we strike?
[04:33] <absum> rohan, yeah, and i get no decoration
[04:33] <rohan> dcushman: yes, 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[04:33] <dcushman> k, thanks
[04:33] <M4ri00sh> :))
[04:33] <rohan> taggie: true, but not an "official" one, which has an entry on the news page
[04:33] <M4ri00sh> absum:  :P
[04:33] <LordLimecat> rohan: do those commands do anything that you dont get thru auto-updates?
[04:34] <dcushman> was the dist-upgrade that came out last week a "RC" test?
[04:34] <|PiP|> does avahi still use network-manager?
[04:34] <consty> Can't wait for Feisty's release.  I'm buying a system76 just for the occasion!
[04:35] <|PiP|> i upgraded to 7.04, and still see network-manager as the wireless configuration tool
[04:35] <spikeb> concept10, cool
[04:35] <Hairulfr> The RC was cancelled, as far as I remember... It's just been upgrades building the beta closer to a release
[04:35] <dcushman> nvm, I was confused. I had a dist-upgrade on my 6.04... (( too many things going on ))
[04:35] <dcushman> consty: system76?
[04:35] <rohan> LordLimecat: not much, though upgrade and dist-upgrade might have few diferences
[04:36] <LordLimecat> i see
[04:36] <kde185> dcushman: they build linux computers
[04:36] <consty> dcushman: http://www.system76.com
[04:36] <dcushman> ah
[04:36] <T0uCH> will i am going to be able to install feisty with kubuntu??
[04:36] <richw> im on Feisty beta... I will just get updates as normal and Feisty stable (from cd) is same thing right?
[04:36] <carlosqueso> richw yup!
[04:37] <rohan> richw: yes
[04:37] <LordLimecat> 354 updates XD
[04:37] <Skyhook> !topic
[04:37] <Bourne> hi, are the ISO images of Feisty Fawn released to the mirrors?
[04:37] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[04:37] <richw> :-)
[04:37] <RawSewage> released
[04:37] <rohan> Bourne: not yet
[04:38] <rohan> Bourne: not for public downloading anyway
[04:38] <Bourne> rohan: but will they be, since it's like 30 minutes to the 19th april
[04:38] <DogBoy> heh
[04:38] <kde185> it's been the 19th for a few hours
[04:38] <rohan> Bourne: yes, but 19th april is not a fixed dadate
[04:38] <rohan> *date
[04:38] <rohan> and yes, it's been 19th here for a long time too
[04:38] <Bourne> the site says "tomorrow"
[04:39] <kde185> it's more of an estimate
[04:39] <rohan> Bourne: which site ?
[04:39] <kde185> ubuntu.com
[04:39] <consty> just cross your fingers
[04:39] <Bourne> which is actually thirty minutes to "tomorrow", which is pratically "today"
[04:39] <consty> that it'll be soon
[04:39] <LordLimecat> wait a tic,,,,,say i accept the 354 updates....if one component is updated AS theyre being downloaded, will the new-new version be downloaded?
[04:39] <protocol1> havent got any updates for the past few days for some reason......is ti on hold till tommorrow or something?
[04:39] <Bourne> ubuntu.com says "tomorrow"
[04:40] <LordLimecat> ubuntu is in africa
[04:40] <spikeb> i think they use UTC
[04:40] <LordLimecat> that may change things?'
[04:40] <DogBoy> sometimes tomorrow is 30 minute away
[04:40] <LordLimecat> (i think)
[04:40] <Bourne> so it should be 19th there already1
[04:40] <kski> it won't be the 19th in oregon for a few hours yet
[04:40] <PWill> it is 2:20 am UTC i believe
[04:40] <Hairulfr> Night all... can't wait anymore now, off to bed (0439 in the morning), happy waiting and enjoy
[04:40] <Fylk> Hey, any one use the systray addon for xchat?
[04:40] <spikeb> and they never promised a midnight release :)
[04:40] <spikeb> Fylk, i cant find a use for it
[04:40] <PWill> Fylk: i do
[04:40] <LordLimecat> spikeb: we as internet users have the right to expect it
[04:40] <kde185> use GAIM
[04:40] <Bourne> i see that but stuff like that you know ISOs are released to the mirrors way before the actual party release
[04:40] <spikeb> LordLimecat, especially if we're high on caffeine
[04:40] <PWill> kde185: for IRC?!
[04:40] <protocol1> its 6:40PM AK time here
[04:40] <LordLimecat> indeed
[04:40] <jugo> What time does feisty come out?
[04:40] <Fylk> Pwill: Can you see it? I'm not getting any icons. Just a blank spot.
[04:40] <defendguin> might thunderbird 2.0 make into feisty repos?
[04:40] <spikeb> defendguin, not a chance.
[04:40] <protocol1> so I have less than 6 hours for the update
[04:40] <megafauna> what jugo said
[04:40] <spikeb> it JUST came out
[04:40] <PWill> Fylk: disable it and the re-enable it
[04:40] <LordLimecat> i say @ midnight everyone in here piles into #ubuntu
[04:40] <protocol1> if nott sooner
[04:40] <kde185> PWill: it works and it has a system trey
[04:41] <spikeb> (thunderbird)
[04:41] <Fylk> Got it.
[04:41] <richw> What you guys like better, Beryl or Compiz?
[04:41] <defendguin> spikeb: why is that?
[04:41] <jugo> Anyone hve a link?
[04:41] <PWill> Beryl
[04:41] <TheDebugger> Beryl
[04:41] <LordLimecat> richw: theyve merged o.0
[04:41] <CientificoLoco> hello, at what hour will be released the 704 tomorrow?
[04:41] <defendguin> Compiz
[04:41] <kde185> Compiz is more stable
[04:41] <igorgue> Compiz
[04:41] <spikeb> defendguin, feisty's repos have been frozen in terms of new applications for a while now, and Tbird 2 just came out earlier today
[04:41] <PWill> Final ISO's are available, release is not officially announced
[04:41] <Hairulfr> richw: Beryl
[04:41] <jugo> What time does feisty come out?
[04:41] <richw> LordLimecat: Really? didnt know that
[04:41] <megafauna> pls put THE HOUR into the channel topic
[04:41] <kde185> but not as pretty
[04:41] <Bourne> I really need a good 64mb/128mb AGP 4x video card to run linux, with my current card, its useless
[04:41] <spikeb> defendguin, might make it into -backports eventually though
[04:41] <igorgue> Beryl is just a stupid fork
[04:41] <defendguin> why go down the beryl road if its folding into compiz?
[04:41] <LordLimecat> richw: im pretty sure they have
[04:41] <jugo> What time does feisty come out?
[04:41] <spikeb> Bourne, a radeon 9200 would do the trick.
[04:41] <LordLimecat> igorgue: im PRETTY sure they merged :) and beryl is a PRETTY fork
[04:41] <PWill> Compiz v Beryl does not matter. They are re-merging.
[04:41] <Hairulfr> kde185: What? Are you seirous, not here it isn't
[04:41] <richw> LordLimecat: Find a link to a article saying that?
[04:42] <CientificoLoco> hello, at what hour will be released the 704 tomorrow?
[04:42] <LordLimecat> richw: one sec
[04:42] <jugo> Go to the #ubuntu-effects channel to talk about this
[04:42] <megafauna> lol. the hour
[04:42] <jugo> What hour will feisty be released
[04:42] <igorgue> nop is just a license thing
[04:42] <Fylk> Pwill: May seem stupid, how do I disable it?
[04:42] <spikeb> yes, they merged back into one project.
[04:42] <igorgue> stupid
[04:42] <Bourne> spikeb: but ATi they say the support is weak and drivers are hell to install... they say nVidia has got the best drivers/cards
[04:42] <igorgue> just because compiz is MIT X11
[04:42] <spikeb> Bourne, the radeon 9200 is supported by open source drivers
[04:42] <PWill> Fylk: Settings > Prefs > Chatting > Alerts
[04:42] <spikeb> Bourne, so that's a pretty safe bet.
[04:42] <PWill> then disable, click OK
[04:42] <igorgue> LordLimecat: did you get that?
[04:42] <jugo> What hour will feisty be released
[04:42] <PWill> go back to the menus
[04:42] <PWill> enable, hit OK
[04:43] <Bourne> spikeb: you gamer?
[04:43] <CientificoLoco> hello,  what hour will feisty be released ?
[04:43] <Hairulfr> ATI is hell getting to work, I recommend Nvidia
[04:43] <spikeb> Bourne, no.
[04:43] <igorgue> jugo, we don't know
[04:43] <PWill> CientificoLoco: nobody knows
[04:43] <spikeb> Bourne, ATI cards suck for gaming on linux.
[04:43] <spikeb> Hairulfr, not the card i am recommending.
[04:43] <PWill> AIT cards suck at everything
[04:43] <Bourne> yes, that is what I heard of
[04:43] <Fylk> Pwill: ok, now I have a wonderfull blank spot where they systray plugin is.
[04:43] <PWill> ATI*
[04:43] <igorgue> jugo you know is just 02:00 UTC
[04:43] <megafauna> if the final release is out, though it is unannounced, then can I pls have a link
[04:43] <PWill> Fylk: did you re-enable it?
[04:43] <M4ri00sh> jugo: 12:00 pm
[04:43] <CientificoLoco> thanks
[04:43] <igorgue> wait a little
[04:43] <Bourne> i have heard that the nVIdia Geforce 6000 is spetacular
[04:43] <megafauna> 1.25 hours till release?
[04:44] <LordLimecat> richw, igorgue: http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html
[04:44] <Fylk> The systray plugin or the build in one?
[04:44] <PWill> why would they release at 4AM?
[04:44] <LordLimecat> i may have been mistaken
[04:44] <rohan> megafauna: no, it's not a midnight release
[04:44] <richw> LordLimecat: Ty il read
[04:44] <megafauna> will feistly let me install beryl easily?
[04:44] <rohan> megafauna: and it's already 8.15 am here :)
[04:44] <megafauna> rohan -no? oph. that suck
[04:44] <LordLimecat> also, "beryl has 3 times as much code as compiz"...fork indeed
[04:44] <megafauna> rohan. lol
[04:44] <rohan> megafauna: yes, it's already in the universe repo. apt-get install beryl
[04:44] <protocol1> is there anything special the beta users have to do to update our machine or is it as simple as using the update manager?
[04:44] <Chetwin> I have a serious problem, can someone please help me determine the cause of lock ups when listening to music???
[04:44] <Hairulfr> megafauna: has it ever been difficult? It was easy for me in the beta, so, yes, I should think so
[04:46] <PWill> Yes, but Beryl and Compiz are re-merging, so arguing about them is stupid,
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> :>
[04:46] <PWill> :)
[04:46] <megafauna> Hairulfr: i saw terrifying install tutorials and backed off, like it was an attractive but dirty girl
[04:46] <LordLimecat> PWill: http://lists.beryl-project.org/pipermail/beryl-dev/2007-March/000371.html
[04:46] <Hairulfr> PWill: No, coz they are still to different "products" :P
[04:46] <spikeb> Hairulfr, no they will not be.
[04:46] <LordLimecat> unless theres newer articles saying theyve changed their minds?
[04:46] <T0uCH> are we gonna be able to download live cd of feisty ?
[04:46] <PWill> LordLimecat: yes, i have read it
[04:46] <spikeb> Hairulfr, the beryl team is going to work on compiz's eye candy plugins.
[04:46] <LordLimecat> so they ARE still merging?
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> YES
[04:46] <PWill> yes...
[04:46] <rohan> yes
[04:46] <M4ri00sh> kill me please !!!
[04:46] <LordLimecat> most of my news on the topic was read on a blackberry, so i probably missed a lto
[04:46] <Hairulfr> megafauna: Attractive and dirty girls are the best. Look at www.ubuntuguide.org and search for beryl, that's a very easy guide
[04:46] <cables> Has anyone had any trouble getting Democracy TV working on Feisty?
[04:46] <PWill> cables: I posted a fix to the Feisty Forums
[04:47] <Hairulfr> spikeb: I know, but that doesn't change the fact that when I switch to compiz it's like doing something horrible to myself
[04:47] <cables> PWill, thanks! Can you send me a link?
[04:47] <PWill> search for it, I don't know where it is sorry
[04:47] <PWill> er
[04:47] <PWill> ok
[04:47] <PWill> hold on
[04:47] <cables> PWill, okay, I will :)
[04:47] <LordLimecat> question.....i have edgy eft, and want to start fresh with feisty....
[04:47] <cables> PWill, let's see who gets there first
[04:47] <LordLimecat> but i want home directory preserved
[04:47] <spikeb> hahahha
[04:47] <spikeb> Hairulfr, you'll just have to get used to it or fork it again yourself
[04:47] <cables> LordLimecat, backup to a CD would be my best guess
[04:47] <LordLimecat> whats simplest way to do this aside from copying 4 gbs to a usb drive
[04:47] <cables> LordLimecat, ohhh :)
[04:47] <cables> LordLimecat, is it on a separate partition?
[04:47] <LordLimecat> sigh, no
[04:48] <PWill> cables: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=403796
[04:48] <RawSewage> maybe get the special version, or whatever it's called
[04:48] <cables> PWill, thanks so much
[04:48] <megafauna> i can't believe i'm excited about a software, an os release. Has my inner geek been freed? Has this Promethean trait silently waited through the failt jock years and endless hours of television bordem to exescape and decimate all now?
[04:48] <LordLimecat> resize=/= option, smallass drive
[04:48] <LordLimecat> 20-30 gb
[04:48] <LordLimecat> dont ask why i havent upgraded
[04:48] <LordLimecat> im lazyt
[04:48] <jordan__> LordLimecat, Why not upgrade?
[04:48] <spikeb> megafauna, yes.
[04:48] <megafauna> Hairulfr. Thanks, I'll look it up.
[04:48] <megafauna> spikeb lol:)
[04:48] <cables> LordLimecat, I haven't either, I'm sane :)
[04:48] <LordLimecat> jordan__: thats possibly what im looking for?
[04:48] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: I just kept my home partition and chose it during the installe as the new home. It preserved everything. But you should probably scrap your custom config etc before
[04:48] <PWill> too many people here
[04:48] <carlosqueso> megafauna....embrace your geekiness...i remember when dapper released...stayed up all night for it
[04:48] <PWill> i need to go to a calmer channel
[04:48] <megafauna> LOL
[04:49] <jordan__> LordLimecat, When Feisty is released, just open Update-manager and it will ask if you want to upgrade to Feisty
[04:49] <megafauna> I have. I have come out of the server closet
[04:49] <LordLimecat> Hairulfr: i dont want extra crap from the old install.....just rm -rf everything else during install?
[04:49] <stdin> PWill: you should try #ubuntu , only 1138 people in there :P
[04:49] <PWill> stdin: oh dear
[04:49] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: Didn't work for me, had to do it afterwards and do the install all over, so wipe the drive before you install
[04:49] <LordLimecat> stdin: until we raid them tonight
[04:49] <cables> LordLimecat, I should clarify, I haven't upgraded my main machine.
[04:50] <cables> How do I install the KVM frontend?
[04:50] <PWill> stdin: i believe my head would explode. i have been troubleshooting for people all day.
[04:50] <LordLimecat> i need to not be lazy, then i wouldnt have these issues -_- i have a core2 system waiting for me to mail in an RMA for the proc...and multiple ubuntu-able comps waiting for ram.....
[04:50] <stdin> PWill: it helps to focus on 1 person at a time
[04:50] <PWill> stdin: that's why I like PMing
[04:51] <PWill> but it's not useful to other people having the same problem
[04:51] <cables> stdin, ooh, i like your nick a lot.
[04:51] <stdin> heh, thanks :)
[04:51] <PWill> stdin: and i always end up helping like 5 people at a time
[04:51] <cables> stdin, buut you're registered, so no hope of stealing it :) :(
[04:56] <stdin> cables: I stole it from whoever had it before, it wasn't using in over a year, so I got a staffer to drop it for me :)
[04:56] <cables> stdin, nice :)
[04:56] <NemesisD> ubuntu doesn't seem to be jiving with my laptop's wireless networking card :(
[04:56] <stdin> cables: oh, and about your question :Pkvm is the module, the frontend is qemu
[04:56] <cables> stdin, so is there an easy nice frontend i can install easily and nicely?
[04:56] <stdin> cables: there is a GUI for it somewhere on the net, but I don't think it's in the repos
[04:56] <cables> stdin, oh :(
[04:56] <cables> stdin, I guess i could hack it
[04:56] <stdin> cables: look on the qemu site
[04:56] <cables> wtf
[04:56] <cables> i didn't mean hack
[04:56] <Bales> is the RC released yet?
[04:56] <cables> i meant install
[04:56] <cables> Bales, i don't think there will be an rc
[04:56] <Bales> is the final candidate released then?
[04:56] <Hairulfr> The RC was cancelled
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: feisty will be out today
[04:56] <Bales> stdin: Any idea on time?
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: no, when it's ready I guess
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: but sometime today
[04:56] <Bales> stdin: alright. Any word on if it'll be a lot different than the beta?
[04:56] <cables> Bales, shouldn't be...
[04:56] <stdin> Bales: it won't be that different (from the users point of view), but there are more updates and bug fixes
[04:56] <Hairulfr> Herd 1, Herd 2, Herd 3, Herd 4, Herd 5,  Beta Release, Final Release. Bales, I don't think there will be many differences
[04:56] <LordLimecat> hey, i want to install kde (the whole metapackage)...it comes with a bunch of kde apps....questions:
[04:56] <LordLimecat> first, will kde apps run faster when kde is running?
[04:57] <cables> LordLimecat, probably
[04:57] <spikeb> they'll START faster.
[04:57] <richw> I could make a script to notify me when it comes out... play a loud noise maybe?
[04:57] <LordLimecat> ie, can running amarok in gnome cause slowness?
[04:57] <cables> LordLimecat, start, but not run
[04:57] <stdin> LordLimecat: you should install "kubuntu-desktop" not "kde"
[04:57] <LordLimecat> alright
[04:57] <LordLimecat> second....is there a way to segregate the menu for gnome and kde?
[04:57] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: Amarok runs fine in gnome, and it doesn't look too ugly, like many other KDE apps do in gnome
[04:58] <LordLimecat> just an example :)
[04:58] <LordLimecat> and by my second question, i mean, i dont want kubuntu stuff appearing in gnome, and vice versa
[04:58] <stdin> LordLimecat: not really, anymore. it's intergrated by design, for better interoperability
[04:58] <LordLimecat> ^^ answer to which?
[04:58] <stdin> LordLimecat: "second....is there a way to segregate the menu for gnome and kde?"
[04:59] <LordLimecat> ah
[04:59] <LordLimecat> alright
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> i wish kde and gnome worked together on some: win-killer gui :)
[04:59] <LordLimecat> just dont want the menus getting too gigantic
[04:59] <richw> Just some research for a future linux software project.. how many of you use lirc here?
[04:59] <M4ri00sh> standardize the crap :)
[04:59] <LordLimecat> kde is a bit much, but i like having it incase gdm coughs up a lung
[04:59] <megafauna> richw: I use irc. three outa four ain't bad?
[04:59] <LordLimecat> cause then i got kdm
[05:00] <richw> linux infrared
[05:00] <megafauna> richw. what is it?
[05:00] <richw> "linux infrared remote control"
[05:00] <richw> hence lirc
[05:00] <richw> :)
[05:00] <Hairulfr> richw: No, but I've tried the bluetooth one, without success.
[05:01] <richw> its basically a gnome gui to configure lirc
[05:01] <richw> KDE has something similar but its very basic... im planning something more powerful
[05:02] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: Hehe, that would look crazy :) The cube should wobble as well...
[05:02] <cables> LordLimecat, there was a vid of someone using a wiimote on a dual-monitor system for beryl with a candle instead of a sensor bar... it was the geekiest thing in the world!
[05:02] <LordLimecat> cables: i saw that, and i cried
[05:02] <LordLimecat> it was so beautiful
[05:02] <cables> LordLimecat, lol
[05:02] <LordLimecat> wait, candle?
[05:02] <LordLimecat> i didnt notice that
[05:03] <LordLimecat> that works?
[05:03] <cables> LordLimecat, yeah! two candles replace the ir transmitters
[05:03] <LordLimecat> thought he had some sort of crazy tv remote setup hidden somewhere'
[05:03] <LordLimecat> lol
[05:03] <cables> lol
[05:03] <LordLimecat> wait...idea forming
[05:03] <LordLimecat> heat lamps=ir....
[05:03] <LordLimecat> lava lamp IR emitters!
[05:04] <Hairulfr> LordLimecat: That's too much.
[05:04] <ceil420> o/
[05:04] <christop> is there an offical countdown timer for the release? seems like it's been saying release is tomorrow for a couple of days now. Maybe it's a timezone thing, but I'd still like to know exactly.
[05:05] <hanru> yeah :P for me, it's thursday already
[05:05] <LordLimecat> it shall be done :D
[05:05] <ceil420> christop, i just tell people to wait for it to be the 19th in Hawaii :p
[05:05] <richw> GUI to configure lirc
[05:05] <richw> I got a infrared sensor recently and im controlling a variety of apps with a remote control.. pretty cool.
[05:05] <adultswim> its a timezone thing... it will be released in the next 24 hours or so most likely
[05:05] <hanru> ceil420: screw hawaii, china is bigger and more important. we want our feisty fawn now
[05:06] <hanru> :P
[05:06] <christop> lol
[05:06] <hanru> and we have hotter girls than hawaii
[05:06] <hanru> so we win
[05:06] <ceil420> lol hanru
[05:07] <christop> I've had to not use 6.10 because of some sort of soft lockup on boot, so I'm really looking forward to this release
[05:07] <RawSewage> whats the page that will show when Feisty is released
[05:08] <christop> 6.06 work fine though...
[05:08] <christop> worked*
[05:09] <RawSewage> If I run Kubuntu, but decide to install and run one GNOME app that uses GTK, am I basically running 2 WMs?
[05:09] <ANTDx2> RawSewage, ubuntu.com?
[05:10] <TheDebugger> No, only the libs
[05:10] <RawSewage> ok
[05:11] <LordLimecat> when you install a .deb package, if its not in the repos, its not updated, is it
[05:11] <megafauna> hanru: i demand pictorial proof on the hotter issue
[05:11] <stdin> LordLimecat: right
[05:12] <hanru> megafauna: I don't have any, but I could stroll downtown and take pictures of the multitude of cute chinese girls shopping there at the pedestrian malls ;o
[05:13] <DogBoy> is this channel going to explode when the release comes out
[05:14] <spikeb> implode.
[05:14] <RawSewage> no
[05:14] <RawSewage> everyone will be busy installing
[05:14] <Centaur5> no, cause then this channel is gutsy  :)
[05:14] <hanru> no, it's going to go idle
[05:14] <hanru> ;P
[05:14] <LordLimecat> is it a bad idea to add repos for wine, given that wine exists in the default repos (although slightly dated)?
[05:15] <RawSewage> I do a fresh format/install each release
[05:15] <BHSPitMonkey> I use the official wine repo
[05:15] <RawSewage> good excuse to clean your HD
[05:15] <BHSPitMonkey> it's the best-maintained unofficial repo I have
[05:15] <DogBoy> is everybody staring at ubuntu.com and just hitting reload on the browser?
[05:15] <RawSewage> no
[05:15] <stdin> LordLimecat: it shouldn't hurt, as the only app in the wine repo is wine
[05:15] <VirhYl4> any idea what's up when wine can't find your audio card?
[05:15] <LordLimecat> BHSPitMonkey: i did not see one mentioned on winehq
[05:15] <RawSewage> Im staring at Kubuntu.com pressing reload
[05:15] <qweasdzxc> lol
[05:16] <megafauna> DogBoy: No I'm watching Seinfeld with this on in the background
[05:16] <crimsun> um, I'd save my button presses. We're still some hours away.
[05:16] <RawSewage> ok
[05:16] <megafauna> crimsun: how do u know?
[05:16] <BHSPitMonkey> LordLimecat, I can't imagine how, but: http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[05:16] <RawSewage> he knows
[05:16] <crimsun> megafauna: there are a number of things that occur when the release is "just about there"
[05:16] <DogBoy> seinfeld eh
[05:16] <DogBoy> never seen that
[05:17] <LordLimecat> oh -_- thought they were just gonna give me .deb
[05:17] <LordLimecat> thanks :)
[05:17] <crimsun> megafauna: our release manager is here in the channel. Rest assured you'll know when it's out.
[05:17] <LordLimecat> didnt actually press the debian button, thought it downloaded
[05:17] <fulat2k> what last minute fixes are there?
[05:17] <RawSewage> maybe for next release, they can have a cellphone thing where you leave your cellphone number, and they call you when the release is ready