[12:53] <poningru> did we decide on a meeting time?
[12:53] <poningru> oh
[12:53] <poningru> that actually works perfect for me
[06:28] <nixternal> Rinchen: trying to sneak in here ;)
[06:28] <nixternal> seen you added yourself to the meeting list...thanks!!!
[06:30] <Rinchen> :-)
[06:30] <Rinchen> The problem is that table is 'in general' and I work and can't make meetings when I'm working so I did it 'in general' and am hoping it'll be the weekend :-)
[06:31] <nixternal> ahhh..and you followed along with the alphabetical layout
[06:31] <nixternal> nice
[06:32] <nixternal> well..after a meeting one of us will convert everything into MeetingMinutes, like show notes...so you can go over them if you miss a meeting
[06:32] <nixternal> you can also add an agenda (or a-jenda) hehe...and have someone cover it for you if you will be gone, or submit it via the mailing list
[06:35] <Rinchen> yeah, very good job on the table....
[06:35] <Rinchen> and getting meetings
[06:35] <Rinchen> I showed up for the meeting on Saturday but I guess nobody planed it
[06:35] <Rinchen> we verbally said we'd meet but never updated the wiki
[06:35] <nixternal> well...jenda is the man for the good job there...he became an Ubuntu member today also
[06:36] <nixternal> he is doing one hell of a job..and now it looks like we are going to begin moving forward...which is great
[06:39] <Rinchen> Did they actually have the Comm Council meeting with only 5 mins on the agenda???
[06:39] <Rinchen> I thought it was an error (just got it tonight)
[06:40] <nixternal> ya..they added to it as they went though
[06:40] <Rinchen> Figures... I've been waiting weeks for that and do they do a pearl harbor meeting
[06:41] <nixternal> lol ya
[06:41] <nixternal> a lot of people were not present
[06:41] <nixternal> oh ya..you had a LoCo discussion..you were the first they called too I believe
[06:41] <Rinchen> well, I checked email last at 1am this morning and I just got back from work and found it at 10:30 pm tonight so
[06:42] <nixternal> speaking of LoCo's, i am in the midst of organising a Chicago LoCo...it is hard work just to get the people who expressed interest to join hands for a meeting
[06:43] <Rinchen> I can tell you how I did it...
[06:43] <nixternal> shoot..i am all ears
[06:44] <Rinchen> I found 3 folks who were interested.  I then went to the Longmont Lug and signed up 20, then to the Boulder Lug and signed up 15, and then emailed the rest of the local Lugs and had more join from there
[06:45] <Rinchen> I've been doing an Ubuntu road tour and, much to my surprise, I'm packing the house
[06:45] <nixternal> nice...i was wondering what was ok, and what wasn't...
[06:45] <nixternal> thats awesome...you would think Chicago would have decent LUG's...but they don't
[06:45] <Rinchen> I get held over an average of 4 hours after each presentation
[06:45] <nixternal> that is awesome
[06:46] <Rinchen> In fact, I'm presenting at another lug tomorrow
[06:46] <Rinchen> the interesting thing...I picked up teachers at a few lugs so I can move forward with my plan to Dominat....er...help out the schools
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:46] <Rinchen> We got Longmont Free University 100% completely moved to Ubuntu
[06:47] <Rinchen> Install fest at the Uni :-)
[06:47] <nixternal> haha
[06:47] <nixternal> that is good stuff though
[06:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice :)
[06:47] <nixternal> i will move forward and use some of your ideas here in Chicago
[06:47] <Rinchen> So here are some tips
[06:47] <Rinchen> 1) Steal my presentation (see my wiki entry)
[06:48] <Rinchen> 2) Go get Kaiser's books on LuLu
[06:48] <nixternal> here..all the LUG's have been replaced with Uniforum..which is a paid membership organisation for FOSS type stuff
[06:48] <Rinchen> Those $9 doc team books are great PR
[06:48] <Rinchen> worth every penny even with the typos
[06:48] <Rinchen> :-)
[06:48] <nixternal> haha
[06:48] <nixternal> hey wait
[06:48] <nixternal> im doc teamin' and helpin out wth that
[06:48] <Rinchen> lol
[06:48] <nixternal> like jjesse and them would say...
[06:48] <nixternal> FILE A BUG!!!
[06:48] <nixternal>  ;)
[06:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rinchen, or now you know hes docteam, make him fix it :)
[06:49] <Rinchen> Ok...someone should re-read the packaging guide :-)
[06:49] <nixternal> haha Rinchen...myself and jjesse have been talking about it...if you have issues, also laserjock is the head guy on that task
[06:50] <Rinchen> Lot] s of common` type -setting error s
[06:50] <nixternal> so i've heard..i believe we are going to redo it for edgy anyways
[06:50] <Rinchen> lots = I think I spotted 6 or so
[06:50] <nixternal> nice
[06:50] <nixternal> how many of those did you file on malone?
[06:50] <nixternal> ;)
[06:50] <Rinchen> I've gotten almost everyone I help on Qunu to pick them up
[06:51] <Rinchen> On Malone?  hehe
[06:51] <nixternal> ya...our bug manager ;)
[06:51] <nixternal> for typos and stuff like that, you should file a bug
[06:51] <Rinchen> Oh, is THAT what it's for?  ;-)
[06:51] <nixternal> haha
[06:51] <Rinchen> I thought it was to piss people off because their queue keeps getting bigger
[06:52] <Rinchen> Seriously, when the Eft Integration piece goes through it'll rock
[06:52] <Rinchen> we'll have bugbuddy for Ubuntu
[06:52] <Rinchen> I'll be the most cursed person record out there
[06:53] <nixternal> lol
[06:54] <nixternal> there is another one in 2 weeks
[06:55] <Rinchen> In 2 weeks I'll be traveling
[06:55] <Rinchen> new job
[06:55] <Rinchen> Is that posted somewhere because it's not on the wiki nor on ubuntu-meeting
[06:55] <Rinchen> btw, did you see our announcement today?  http://why.openoffice.org/
[06:55] <nixternal> you can check the fridge...don't know if it's made it yet
[06:57] <Rinchen> don't see it
[06:57] <Rinchen> I was relying on the wiki being updated...both Neal and I missed it
[06:57] <Rinchen> We wanted to get several team members from the Loco team to join
[06:59] <Rinchen> which reminds me I forgot to add in the rss after I recreated my system
[06:59] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/
[06:59] <nixternal> added that to my page
[06:59] <nixternal> i like that
[07:10] <jsgotangco> OMG i just saw the gas prices
[07:11] <nixternal> lol
[07:33] <KenSentMe> Good morning people
[07:35] <jenda> morning
[07:35] <jenda> Rinchen: welcome!
[07:36] <nixternal> mornin' jenda
[07:36] <Rinchen> lol Morning it is but not here :-)
[07:36] <nixternal> actually it is now officially morning here in chicago ;)
[07:36] <Rinchen> it's 23:36
[07:36] <nixternal> gotcha by an hour
[07:36] <Rinchen> yes sir you do
[07:37] <jenda> Sorry you missed the meeting. You're not the only one who's upset. I had a lot of trouble getting my fanclub rounded up, but thankfully, I only came up an hour after the beginning of the meeting and even my american supporters were up by then ;)
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, i was tehre  for you, by accident ;)
[07:38] <jenda> Yup :) Several of you Marketing folks were - thanks ;)
[07:38] <Rinchen> good...
[07:38] <Rinchen> I wanted to rah rah you
[07:38] <Rinchen> but you didn't need it :-)
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> half there meeting was there for jenda :)
[07:39] <jenda> :)
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) i'm not sure if i felt happier for myself with ubuntu-au offical now, or jenda getting his membership :0
[07:40] <jenda> Even silbs said she'd tip in, but she didn't turn up in the end.
[07:40] <nixternal> \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/   <--- that was a rah rah rah i seen at the meeting!!!
[07:40] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: oooh congrats on that ;)
[07:40] <jenda> I didn't realise that was your thing too :)
[07:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:42] <Rinchen> hehe, I'll settle for a +1 instead of a -1
[07:43] <Rinchen> jenda, I can't make tomorrow's/today's meeting. It's during my normal working hours and I'm packed solid with meetings.
[07:44] <Rinchen> I need to convince one of sabdfl's groups to hire me..that's all there is to it.
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[07:45] <Rinchen> speaking of meetings, I think it's time I prepare to fall exhausted onto my bed.
[07:45] <Rinchen> I bid you all a good...morning. :-)
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[07:46] <Rinchen> Wish me luck at my Ubuntu presentation tonight :-)  Should be fun. I already have 30 confirmed guests.
[07:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> :) *envy*
[07:47] <Rinchen> I'll try to get more pictures up on the ColoradoTeam's photos area
[07:47] <Rinchen> see ya
[07:50] <jenda> meh, missed him.
[07:50] <jenda> hello damned
[07:50] <jenda> Your IP changed ;)
[07:50] <damned> jenda: morning :) yes, ip changed :)
[07:51] <jenda> at work?
[07:51] <damned> yes. in office.
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> where are people in here from? i can recognise a few, is it very spread out?
[07:56] <nixternal> well considering my new baby is -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChicagoTeam    I will give you 2 guesses :)
[07:56] <nixternal> Chicago, IL United STates of A*$#$#*
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. USofA ;)
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> it is well spread out, jenda 's from c*z*<a place i cant spell>, jsgotangco iirc is near me, philipines perhaps
[07:57] <nixternal> actually...i prefer to let others know..im really from the state of confusion...as that was in a song, which one i can't remember ;)
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[07:58] <nixternal> jsgotangco is from Chicago originally...he decided to leave this great corrupted governement of a city ;)
[07:58] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[07:58] <jsgotangco> what can i say, i went home
[07:58] <nixternal> told ya ;)
[07:58] <nixternal> true..as many smart people who live here tend to do
[07:58] <nixternal> i feel my iq shriveling up
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[07:59] <jsgotangco> i thought most people in NZ are moving to AU
[07:59] <jsgotangco> yeah i hear greece is great
[08:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. not really keen on learning greek myself
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> NZ would be intresting, its like australia, but different enough to notice
[08:01] <jsgotangco> really now i went there before and loved the place...but my wife didnt like the silence of most places there
[08:01] <jsgotangco> just give me stable, uncapped and cheap broadband and i can live anywhere
[08:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. AU is out for you then
[08:03] <damned> i don't want to pay for internet... that's why work for an isp.
[08:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> *rofl*
[08:04] <nixternal_> g'nite everyone
[08:04] <damned> good night
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
[08:07] <jsgotangco> g'nite mate
[08:09] <KenSentMe> Good night
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> nixternal_, ping
[08:51] <jenda> shhh!
[08:51] <jenda> he's asleep ;)
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[08:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i wont to get added to that availability table, but i'm to scared to edit it :)
[09:03] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: I can do that.
[09:03] <jenda> Just tell me your hours, I'll put them up
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, just emailed him :$
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> shall i email you as well?
[09:04] <jenda> Sure
[09:04] <jenda> I'll put it up immediately.
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda@?
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> u.c?
[09:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> or not ye t :)
[09:04] <jenda> j e n d a vancura @ g-m-ale.com
[09:05] <jenda> g-male :-D
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[09:05] <jenda> without the spaces and other cwap, of course.
[09:05] <GazzaK> lol
[09:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[09:06] <GazzaK> logbot!!! - me hides
[09:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, know the feeling
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> later crew. :)
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek!
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> my pron
[09:10] <GazzaK> hehe, se ya Kamping_Kaiser
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[09:10] <GazzaK> =e
[09:10] <GazzaK> +e damn keyboard
[09:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:17] <jenda> haha ;)
[10:08] <jenda> sneaky, matthewrevell ;)
[10:08] <matthewrevell> neaky?
[10:08] <jenda> eaky
[10:08] <matthewrevell> s/neaky/sneaky
[10:08] <matthewrevell> :)
[10:08] <jenda>
[10:09] <matthewrevell> My login for silenceisdefeat.org is synchronboy, so I have to manually change my nick.
[10:14] <jenda> np ;)
[10:16] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!  just setting up IRC so that I can try to be a part of the next meetings.. thanks for the invite Jenda
[10:16] <jenda> np
[10:17] <jenda> digitalmouse: have you ever been in contact with Tikal?
[10:18] <digitalmouse> not lately
[10:18] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Hi, who are you then? :) SOunds like you know Jenda
[10:18] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: I'm Matthew, in the UK.
[10:18] <jenda> matthewrevell: digitalmouse would be one of the Ubuntu Magazine people
[10:18] <matthewrevell> cool
[10:18] <digitalmouse> if you are familiar with the ubuntumagazine forum thread, I've been tinkering with the Content Management/website end of the project
[10:18] <jenda> digitalmouse: matthewrevell would be one of the Press Team people... ;)
[10:19] <digitalmouse> nice to meet you
[10:19] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Ah right.
[10:19] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: you too
[10:19] <jenda> digitalmouse: it appears the forum is down for good, unfortunately.
[10:20] <digitalmouse> although American by birth, I escaped to Germany in 2000, so I can help represent European interests for the time being.  yes, Jenda mentioned the boards were down.. I am sure they will be back up soon enough
[10:20] <matthewrevell> jenda: I'm gonna suggest we close the Launchpad Media Relations Team and bring it back into the Marketing team.
[10:21] <jenda> matthewrevell: I guess that's your call - I do believe it best, though.
[10:21] <matthewrevell> jenda: Having read back through the archives etc, I'm more comfortable with us using the ofifical marketing team mailing list. For a start, we know that won't be taken offline at someone's whim.
[10:21] <jenda> agreed
[10:21] <matthewrevell> jenda: Absolutely, now that we have an active marketing team and it looks as though everyone who wants to be involved is cooperative.
[10:22] <jenda> matthewrevell: indeed, I'm very optimistic about the meeting.
[10:22] <jenda> I think I rounded up all the important forum people - or some at least ;)
[10:22] <jenda> We have you all who came to the team on IRC recently
[10:23] <jenda> and the mailing list has been informed.
[10:23] <digitalmouse> once a website design/CMS is agreed on, I could put up a forum/mailing list dedicated to the magazine to prevent the 'whim'-fear you mentioned, matthew.  I have a dedicated server that could be used for that.
[10:23] <matthewrevell> jenda: Yes, I'm *really* excited about this. I looked into getting an Ubuntu marketing team together a *long* time ago. It's great to see so many people interested
[10:23] <jenda> The meeting could really be the start of a united MT.
[10:24] <jenda> digitalmouse: then we'd be dependent on _your_ whim ;)
[10:24] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: My feeling is that we'd be best off keeping everything on the marketing mailing list for now. It's not so busy that we can't sustain it on one list.
[10:24] <digitalmouse> hmm... well there is that, but atleast it's a whim you have more control over :p
[10:24] <jsgotangco> hmm meeting here?
[10:24] <jenda> +1, matthewrevell
[10:24] <jenda> jsgotangco: not really
[10:24] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: With the official mailing list, we get logs, it stays around forever and there's no confusion.
[10:24] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:24] <jenda> jsgotangco: meeting tonite in #ubuntu-meeting
[10:25] <digitalmouse> no problem matthew, just offering services if needed
[10:25] <jenda> yep :) :)
[10:25] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Pop it on the agenda for the meeting. It's worth discussing, if only so we can agree that the mailing lsit is best :-)
[10:25] <digitalmouse> greetings js!  I was just tinkering with IRC and Jenda reminded me that there are ubuntu.magazine channels that I needed to be a part of :-D
[10:26] <jsgotangco> digitalmouse: hi there
[10:26] <matthewrevell> Now that the ubuntupeople.com forums are offline, does anyone have a link to background material on the magazine proposal?
[10:27] <matthewrevell> From what I know of it, the magazine has a different intended-audience than The Fridge and other existing activity, but I think we should try to involved jdub to see what his plans are. He's busy down in Guadec at the moment, I think.
[10:27] <digitalmouse> not any more than what was last posted.
[10:28] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: What was last posted though? :)
[10:28] <digitalmouse> I was still waiting to hear some input regarding content management systems and website layout
[10:28] <jenda> matthewrevell: I have the forum database from a week ago, that could save a bit of work too.
[10:28] <digitalmouse> that was the last I recall... it is possible that more was said afterwards
[10:29] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Cool. I don't remember seeing the plans for the magazine ... i.e. what need it fulfills, why it's the right way to go, etc. I'm not saying it isn't a good idea, by the way, I just think it's really important to have justification and a plan :)
[10:29] <matthewrevell> back in 20
[10:31] <digitalmouse> I suppose the forum is no-longer needed.. the wiki might suit our needs.  my only concern is knowing what experience people have with content management systems for online magazine production.. I've dealt with over a dozen systems (part of my job actually) and wanted to get some feedback into what was comfortable with people, and at what level of users we have with us.  some CMSs are complex, some are simple.  it would be good to h
[10:32] <jsgotangco> try looking into what freesoftwaremagazine.com uses. It's Drupal its easy and very flexible
[10:33] <jenda> ubuntu.cz is drupal
[10:34] <digitalmouse> drupal is the current template system.  (demo for ubuntu-mag here: http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/?q=node/1 )  my experience is that it was a bit difficult in getting people to understand the 'node' method of writing up content.
[10:34] <jsgotangco> jenda: i believe the article approval system also runs on drupal since all the artciles are done on docbook xml
[10:34] <digitalmouse> ack!  forget to add the logo I whipped up (it has all the ubuntu logos integrated)... standby while I put that back up
[10:37] <jenda> digitalmouse: how about a nice brown theme? ;)
[10:38] <jenda> (or choice between the U K X and E theme)
[10:38] <digitalmouse> if you see a theme already made for Drupal, then let me know and I can install it right now
[10:40] <digitalmouse> something brown-ish as you suggested, though we should not be tied down to that color-scheme necessarily
[10:40] <digitalmouse> greetings silbs/jane
[10:44] <digitalmouse> ok, refresh the link I posted above... that should show the quicky logo I whipped up a month or so ago... will be cleaned up for the permanent site if chosen
[10:46] <jenda> hello silbs ;)
[10:46] <digitalmouse> again I'm not 100% happy with Drupal, as its CMS terminology would give newbie authors fits...  but it *does* have all the initiala functionality (article approval, sections, PDF generation, etc.)
[10:46] <digitalmouse> initial*
[10:46] <jenda> silbs: it would be great if you could make it to the marketing meeting tonight.
[10:47] <jenda> digitalmouse: have a look at ubuntu.cz
[10:47] <jenda> would that type of a theme do?
[10:47] <jenda> brb
[10:48] <digitalmouse> sure it would do, but do we need to copy that one?  (*goes to look*)
[10:49] <digitalmouse> besides that is the same theme as the main ubuntu site, by the look of it
[10:49] <digitalmouse> or atleast a close cousin
[10:50] <digitalmouse> do we really want to duplicate that look?
[10:50] <jenda> no we do not
[10:51] <jenda> it's just the colors we want, I think ;)
[10:52] <silbs> jenda: hi. I'm not sure yet if I'll be able to make the mtg tonight. I won't know until this aft, but if I am free I will certainly attend
[10:53] <digitalmouse> true.. I was also thinking of something like http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/2782  or  http://tcp-lp-mod.sourceforge.net/
[10:54] <digitalmouse> and I would change the header to something a bit more dynamic, like a collage of people holding ubuntu/kubuntu CDs perhaps, or some variant of the '3-people-in-a-circle' idea that is common for ubuntu
[10:55] <digitalmouse> or somehow integrate my multi-distro-logo at http://digitalbyond.net/~ubuntumag/ into a nice background
[10:56] <jsgotangco> hey silbs!
[10:58] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: I think this is an ideal opportunity to chat to the Art Team. Sabdfl mentioned, in yesterday's Community Council meeting, that there's a lot of action in the Ubuntu art world at the moment.
[10:59] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Ideal opportunity for some bridge buuilding between our teams.
[10:59] <jsgotangco> yeah the artwork team is very very busy at the moment
[10:59] <digitalmouse> sounds like a plan
[11:00] <jenda> matthewrevell: +1 :)
[11:00] <matthewrevell> jsgotangco: Fair enough but I think we should give them the opportunity to turn us down, if you see what i mean.
[11:01] <digitalmouse> I shifted over from graphic-design/desktop publishing some years ago, so I know my skills are rusty at the moment.  but the idea I think is solid (representing each variant in a single logo)
[11:01] <digitalmouse> mind you, I whipped that up in about 5 minutes
[11:01] <digitalmouse> a more professional build, would take the better part of 20-30 minutes
[11:02] <digitalmouse> a hour perhaps
[11:02] <matthewrevell> Forgive me for asking questions that may have been answered before, but without the ubuntupeople forums to refer to, I'm gonna have to bore you :)
[11:03] <matthewrevell> Where's the magazine in terms of content, target readership etc?
[11:06] <matthewrevell> jenda: You mentioned that you have back-ups from the forums from a week ago. Are you able to fish out the magazine and SpreadUbuntu forum content?
[11:08] <jenda> matthewrevell: Well, I have the dtb, but I don't know how to fish that out ;)
[11:09] <digitalmouse> greetings Ken
[11:10] <matthewrevell> Righto.
[11:10] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: have you tried joomla as a cms?
[11:10] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: Hi
[11:10] <jenda> oi, KenSentMe
[11:10] <KenSentMe> http://joomla.org
[11:10] <digitalmouse> I use Joomla on a regular basis actually.. in fact I'm starting to support it as a service of my company... it's not bad
[11:10] <KenSentMe> And compared to drupal?
[11:11] <KenSentMe> I've installed some joomla/mambo sites, but never actually used drupal
[11:11] <digitalmouse> I find it a bit easier for authors to write/submit content, but the admin tool takes a bit of getting used to in terms of where things are placed...
[11:11] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: is this about joomla or drupal?
[11:12] <matthewrevell> So, do you guys remember where the magazine discussions got to, other than looking at a CMS? Just trying to find my feet.
[11:12] <digitalmouse> at the moment it's a todd up between Typo3/4, Joomla, and Drupal...  they all have their good and bad points.
[11:12] <digitalmouse> Ken, my comment was about joomla
[11:12] <digitalmouse> toss* up
[11:12] <digitalmouse> not todd up :-p
[11:13] <digitalmouse> even Etomite's variant called MODx would work, and it's easy to set up and use
[11:13] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: well, i also tried typo3, but gut scared of all the settings i had to make to actually get a simple site. I heard the templavoila made it easier, but haven't tried the new version yet
[11:13] <jenda> matthewrevell: Tikal seems to be the leader of the project, I think.
[11:13] <digitalmouse> same here, ken.
[11:13] <KenSentMe> jenda: have you seen Tikal recently?
[11:13] <jenda> on Jabber
[11:13] <jenda> She'll be there at the meeting.
[11:13] <jenda> Everyone will :)
[11:13] <digitalmouse> matthew, yes, after a long haitus of no direction, tikal popped in and took the reins... was doing a very good job I understand
[11:13] <KenSentMe> Ah, nice
[11:14] <KenSentMe> Because there's no meeting or whatsoever planned for the mag
[11:14] <digitalmouse> so we hijack the meeting with mag discussion?  or should there be an 'official mag meeting'?
[11:14] <digitalmouse> and there are forums up http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ - but I notice some content missing
[11:15] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: i think it's better to have a seperate magazine meeting, because the agende for the MT meeting is already pretty full
[11:15] <jenda> digitalmouse: if the mag discussion takes up too much time, we'll oust you to start a new meeting at another time
[11:16] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: To me, the mag is *exactly* the sort of thing we want to discuss at the meeting.
[11:16] <matthewrevell> KenSentMe: The agenda already has the mag on it :)
[11:16] <matthewrevell> True, if it gets too long, we can hive off a separate meeting
[11:16] <jenda> Actually, no - at today's meeting, we'll only have a few updates on how the mag is doing. No joomla vs. drupal debates. We should discuss the relationships between the UMag, the UWN and the fridge.
[11:17] <jenda> But no technicalities
[11:17] <KenSentMe> matthewrevell: ok, but only about the position of the magazine in the MT etc. Not about practical stuff etc.
[11:17] <matthewrevell> At the moment, I think we need to regroup, find out where we are with everything and who is involved. The team has, in effect, had the carpet pulled from under its feet, following the loss of the forums.
[11:17] <jenda> KenSentMe: +1
[11:17] <jenda> poningru: oi
[11:18] <matthewrevell> jenda: Yeah, I agree. We don't want to go into tech details in the meeting, but IMO without knowing the background of the magazine idea etc it's not the right time to discuss tech details anywhere.
[11:18] <matthewrevell> jenda: That's why I'm interested in the ideas of who'll be the readers, who'll contribute, what needs it fulfils, etc.
[11:18] <digitalmouse> no problem there- without a direction/vision, tech details don't matter
[11:19] <matthewrevell> digitalmouse: Exactly :)
[11:20] <jenda> matthewrevell: I think you should start by reading the wiki ;)
[11:22] <matthewrevell> jenda: Cool, I'll have a hunt around on the wiki.
[11:28] <digitalmouse> yup already did that- this is why I said I thought she was doing a good job
[11:29] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: you said you were a designer/have a graphical background. Do you have a website where i can see some off your work?
[11:29] <matthewrevell> I'm looking forward to dicsussing this in the meeting this evening.
[11:37] <jenda> yep
[11:47] <digitalmouse> hmm... I have a partial portfolio here:  http://digitalmouse.int.tc but it tends to focus on my website/linux skills
[11:48] <digitalmouse> hmm... site appears to be down... ah, no.. just slow today.   I plan to move that site over to my own server this weekend, as well as update the portfolio
[11:49] <digitalmouse> it's running on a test server (http://alchemisten.serveftp.net/~digitalmouse/) but now that I bought my own dedicated server, I will be moving it over shortly.
[11:49] <digitalmouse> aw... heck... might as well do it now... I have a little time
[11:49] <digitalmouse> away moving my website to a better server
[11:54] <digitalmouse> ok... site should be up (seems they recently rebooted the in-house server router, so matthew: you can take a look-see... again it's more focused on my website work.  my publishing/graphic design experience pre-dates year 2000 - mostly work in PageMaker/Photoshop/Illustrator for a variety of local government and private clients (should be references on my CV to that effect).  I did do much of the graphical design on the websites in
[12:02] <digitalmouse> (and the crowd goes silent)
[12:04] <jenda> picking up ubuntu stickers at the printer
[12:09] <digitalmouse> cool... take care Jenda
[12:14] <digitalmouse> sorry, not matthew... Ken I meant (regarding where to look to see my work)... sorry, not paying attention to who was talking to me
[12:14] <digitalmouse> )
[12:14] <digitalmouse> getting old
[12:15] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: ah, see it now
[12:15] <KenSentMe> thanx
[12:15] <digitalmouse> yeah it's running a bit slow today... the host might be doing some development work on that server (it's only a test server anyway)
[12:16] <KenSentMe> i'm running my own webserver, when it's slow i know it's my own fault
[12:18] <digitalmouse> I did set up that particular server that my site is running on, but I have not used it in many months, except as a backup server
[12:19] <digitalmouse> it's mostly in in-house testing server and runs dotproject (project management tool) for the employees
[12:20] <KenSentMe> well, i use it to run my own website (which i haven't got right now) and test all sorts of cms like systems
[12:20] <digitalmouse> yup I do the same - hence that is one of my main services, CMS support
[12:23] <KenSentMe> i built some websites, but i'm not good enough at programming/php to fully support them. So now i don't anymore
[12:23] <KenSentMe> And my designs where not that good
[12:25] <KenSentMe> I recently hired someone to design a logo for me, but i find it very hard to express what kind of logo i want. The designs he came up with so far are not what i was looking for.
[12:27] <GazzaK> KenSentMe, I use websitebaker - it's a small cms system and suits me fine for personal website use
[12:27] <KenSentMe> GazzaK: well, the cms is not the problem, the design is
[12:30] <digitalmouse> absolutely - there are som many decent CMS systems out there, it comes down to ease of customization and design of the theme to attract/impress the viewer
[12:30] <digitalmouse> so* many
[12:51] <jenda> back
[12:52] <jenda> hello tonyyarusso, bimberi
[12:52] <bimberi> hey jenda :)
[12:52] <bimberi> forgot to say 'congratulations on membership' earlier!
[12:53] <jenda> thanks ;)
[12:54] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Hey ther.e
[12:59] <digitalmouse> 1pm here- time for lunch!
[01:00] <jenda> same timezone ;)
[01:13] <GazzaK> awww, I ate my lunch at 10am !!!
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> I haven't gone to bed yet and it's 6 AM.
[01:14] <GazzaK> tonyyarusso, not got work today?
[01:14] <GazzaK> or anything else
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> GazzaK: Nope.  I'm an underemployed college student.  They only gave me 10 hours this week, and I did them all on Sunday and Monday.  I'm supposed to go to dinner with the gf at 6 PM though.
[01:16] <jenda> not worth going to sleep, mon
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> Barely, anyway.  I might for a bit.
[01:16] <GazzaK> best get some sleep before then eh, she might hate you if you slept in your soup
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> Hehe.
[01:25] <GazzaK> jenda, who was that guy from russia who was talking last night about making linux suitable for the workplace?
[01:25] <GazzaK> damned was it?
[01:26] <GazzaK> well I think I have found the distro he might want to check out...  suse linux enterprise desktop
[01:27] <GazzaK> wb matthewrevell
[01:28] <matthewrevell> :)
[01:37] <GazzaK> matthewrevell, just reading your post to the email list :)
[01:38] <GazzaK> some very good points there
[02:27] <jenda> GazzaK: damned
[02:28] <GazzaK> i'm trialling sled, it's great
[02:29] <digitalmouse> sled?
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> Suse Linux Enterprise Edition, I presume.
[02:32] <GazzaK> yes
[02:32] <GazzaK> thats the one
[02:35] <digitalmouse> ah... interesting
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> GazzaK: I was considering checking out OpenSuse - think I should?
[02:38] <GazzaK> the rc3 is kinda cool, to include xgl and for it to work out the box is wonderful
[02:38] <GazzaK> it's not opensuse, it's suse linux enterprise desktop
[02:39] <GazzaK> http://www.novell.com/linux/prerelease.html?sourceid=prerelease1
[02:45] <matthewrevell> GazzaK: Sorry, been away. Hope people agree about my post :)
[02:45] <GazzaK> well I do
[02:47] <jenda> matthewrevell: writing response right now ;)
[02:48] <matthewrevell> jenda: Cool :)
[02:48] <matthewrevell> jenda: Look forward to reading it.
[02:48] <jenda> BTW, I believe it better to discuss such things on the list than here - it's more public and longer-lasting.
[02:48] <matthewrevell> jenda: Agreed.
[03:33] <matthewrevell> jenda: Do you know your reply didn't go to everyone but only to me?
[03:33] <jenda> dang
[03:33] <jenda> sorry
[03:34] <matthewrevell> np :)
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> the default replyto? its by design
[03:34] <matthewrevell> Isn't it just the way the list is configured?
[03:34] <matthewrevell> There's a whole debate over header munging, I believe.
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> only ubuntu-users replyies to list by default, to make it 'user friendly', everyone3 else is supposed to know how to send email,a nd remember all the time
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> *user friendly=noob freinds
[03:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> *ds/ly
[03:36] <jenda> right :)
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:38] <matthewrevell> jenda: You gonna post it to the list before you nap ? :)
[03:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:44] <jenda> matthewrevell: damn, I did, but I did it as @ubuntu.com... I'm regged to the list as @gmail.com (fixed) - so it waits for silbs' approval.
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. bit of a circus :)
[03:45] <silbs> jenda: I'll approve it, but that brings up an issue
[03:45] <silbs> I would prefer that a couple people who are active in the marketing team be the list moderator rather than me
[03:46] <silbs> perhaps you guys can discuss it at the mtg tonight and get a couple volunteers/nominations?
[03:46] <silbs> it is mainly a task of deleting a bunch of spam
[03:46] <silbs> but every once in a while there is a message like yours which is useful to approve
[03:46] <matthewrevell> silbs: I'll add it to the agenda.
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> meeting tonight?
[03:46] <matthewrevell> Kamping_Kaiser: Tomorrow morning for you, I think. 19:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ew, early AM :(
[03:47] <digitalmouse> Jenda = nap?  :-p
[03:47] <jenda> no, I wasn't allowed to :)
[03:47] <digitalmouse> so I see
[03:48] <jenda> I do need to take one, however, to be nice and fresh to work on spreadubuntu.
[03:48] <KenSentMe> Woohoo, my ubuntu cd's have arived, including stickers !
[03:48] <digitalmouse> spreadubuntu...  that sounds so.... wrong.  or I'm just a dirty-minded old man
[03:49] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: think you are ;)
[03:49] <KenSentMe> Never thought of the name that way, and i thought i had a dirty mind myself
[03:49] <digitalmouse> I'm not old!
[03:49] <digitalmouse> well...
[03:49] <jenda> please...
[03:49] <digitalmouse> 38 is not old I guess
[03:49] <KenSentMe> digitalmouse: let we say, older
[03:49] <digitalmouse> heh
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> digitalmouse, 38? you geriatric ;)
[03:50] <digitalmouse> ha!  and here I was looking forward to 40 as my second (third?) childhood
[03:50] <KenSentMe> How old are you then Kamping_Kaiser ?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> KenSentMe, 1 day and ~40 minutes away from my 20th birthday
[03:51] <KenSentMe> Kamping_Kaiser: then watch your language digitalmouse, we have a kid here ;)
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> damn, that meetings on at 4.30 am
[03:52] <KenSentMe> Kamping_Kaiser: just joking, but i assume you got that
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can take a bit of cheek, i give out enough of it after all :)
[03:52] <KenSentMe> Kamping_Kaiser: well, it's hard to see someones reaction on irc
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know ;)
[04:05] <jenda> KenSentMe: I'm 19 ;) make that 2 kids
[04:06] <jenda> What size are the stickers?
[04:06] <KenSentMe> jenda: 3*11 cm
[04:07] <jenda> I see
[04:07] <jenda> mine are case badges - 2x3 cm
[04:09] <KenSentMe> jenda: i've looked in my agenda for the first time this week and see that i have another (offline) meeting at 20.00h. So i can't attend the MT one
[04:09] <jenda> aw
[04:09] <KenSentMe> indeed
[04:09] <jenda> sorry, but now I seriously need the nap... just a few minutes...
[04:09] <jenda> *snooore*
[04:24] <digitalmouse> ok Jenda- few minutes are up :-p
[04:24] <digitalmouse> later kids... catch you at the meeting hopefully.
[04:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, when youget back - didi you add me to taht wiki pagfe?
[05:31] <matthewrevell> dotwaffle: hello
[05:31] <dotwaffle> Good day, Mr. Revell!
[05:32] <dotwaffle> checked your blog the other day - I swear you've not just changed hairstyle, but also become about 5 years younger ;) (of all the things to talk about on this channel...)
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:34] <matthewrevell> Ha :)
[05:34] <matthewrevell> The photo of me on the LugRadio site is not flattering.
[05:35] <matthewrevell> I've been through a million hairstyles lately. Thinking of shaving the lot off.
[05:35] <matthewrevell> You can check the real thing out on 22 July :)
[05:35] <dotwaffle> What would that be at, Mr. Revell ;)
[05:35] <matthewrevell> LUGRADIO LIVE!!! :-D
[05:36] <matthewrevell> Some good Ubuntu people coming.
[05:36] <dotwaffle> So I heard!
[05:36] <dotwaffle> By the way, anything I can help with, do let me know - I literally have nothing to do from now until then... The Summer is great for students ;)
[05:37] <matthewrevell> :) Cheers. Perhaps we could take it to the LR forums, or the #lugradio channel.
[05:41] <digitalmouse> greetings programs! :)
[05:41] <matthewrevell> howdy
[05:41] <dotwaffle> hallo!
[05:43] <digitalmouse> so I guess this here be the temporary hangout until #ubuntu-meeting gets going again eh? :-p
[05:43] <Bilange> quack.
[05:43] <digitalmouse> my thoughts exactly.. except I would say 'yar!'
[05:43] <matthewrevell> dotwaffle: You've got three hours 15 mins to wait :)
[05:44] <GazzaK> hehe
[05:44] <GazzaK> yeah, don't let me forget
[05:44] <dotwaffle> matthewrevell: Oh yeah, it's UTC isn't it...
[05:45] <matthewrevell> dotwaffle: Ah, that was meant for digitalmouse . But yes, UTC
[05:46] <digitalmouse> heh
[05:52] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser!
[05:52] <jenda> I forgot all about it ;)
[05:53] <jenda> I'm doing it this very second.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. dont stress :)
[05:53] <digitalmouse> doing what?  blushing?
[05:53] <Bilange> heh
[05:58] <matthewrevell> See you back here later guys.
[06:12] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: you're on. ;)
[06:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, awsome, thanks :)
[06:13] <jenda> np
[06:13] <jenda> You really threw me off by saying a value for 0 and for 24, though ;)
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. oops, hope they were the same value ;)
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ooh, i'm on twice, nm. i'll pull one of me out :)
[06:15] <jenda> gah
[06:15] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: i did that in an attempt to keep alphabetical
[06:15] <jenda> remove the right one ;)
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> heeh :)
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> the availability score is number of +1s and -1's combined isnt it?
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> saved :)
[06:22] <jenda> yup
[06:22] <jenda> don't worry about calculating the totals, KK - we can do that once in a while.
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok :)
[06:23] <jenda> hey, your hours are reasoable, for an aussie ;)
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. its you other-side-of-the-worlders who have made tehm taht way :)
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> but if i get into tafe (starting next month some time), they will change a lot :(
[06:28] <poningru> sorry am late
[06:29] <poningru> or is everything over?
[06:29] <poningru> wait what time does the meeting start?
[06:29] <poningru> doh
[06:29] <poningru> nm
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :)
[06:31] <nixternal> you still have 2.5 hours
[06:31] <poningru> hehe
[06:32] <poningru> use gmt damn it
[06:32] <poningru> err sorry @ language
[06:32] <poningru> this UTC business confused me
[06:32] <GazzaK> byee, home time
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol they do
[06:33] <dotwaffle> UTC == GMT (well, close enough, normally within one second)
[06:35] <nixternal> utc = gmt-1
[06:35] <poningru> uh... it is?
[06:35] <nixternal> yup
[06:35] <poningru> I thought utc == gmt
[06:35] <digitalmouse> usually, except for months beginning in 'R'
[06:35] <nixternal> Because Chicago is GMT-6 Central time...and it is UTC-5
[06:35] <digitalmouse> erm  usually utc = gmt-1 I meant
[06:36] <poningru> no way man
[06:36] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
[06:36] <digitalmouse> nix might be applying daylight savings?
[06:37] <nixternal> i am
[06:37] <poningru> ah thats why
[06:37] <nixternal> forgot about that
[06:37] <nixternal> my apologies ;)
[06:38] <nixternal> ya, i totally forgot about daylight savings
[06:48] <digitalmouse> I'm at UTC+1 so I'll be at the meeting before everyone! (so-to-speak) :-)
[06:48] <jenda> digitalmouse: not at all - we have aussies on the team ;)
[06:48] <dotwaffle> GMT == UTC. Trust me.
[06:48] <jenda> dotwaffle: yuppers
[06:48] <digitalmouse> hmm.. that's true, they are +9:30 and +10
[06:49] <dotwaffle> BST == UTC +1 == GMT +1 (or thereabouts)
[06:49] <jenda> In fact, digitalmouse, in another way of taking it - we'll be at the meeting at 9 PM. Our californian friends, however, will have been there since noon!
[06:50] <dotwaffle> I've been using UTC for about 2 years now, it's the "standard time" in aviation...
[06:51] <dotwaffle> Maybe the best way to say it is "we're meeting at 1900Z", then everyone has to consult wikipedia to find out exactly what the hell Z means ;)
[06:51] <digitalmouse> or we use swatch time :-p
[06:52] <jenda> We prefer 19:00 UTC ;)
[06:52] <digitalmouse> swatch being 'internet time'
[06:52] <digitalmouse> supposedly.. though it never really caught on
[06:53] <dotwaffle> Swatch time was a great idea, except that they used the datum not as Berne, but the timezone Berne is in. Crazy folks.
[06:54] <digitalmouse> yup
[06:55] <digitalmouse> and it would not be a bad idea I guess, since ubuntu include an internet time panel/docklet (or did - have not checked in Dapper)
[06:56] <dotwaffle> I can't believe I'm discussing timezones..
[06:57] <digitalmouse> I don't get OT (overtime) - I work for myself :-(
[06:59] <jenda> that stood for off-topic, digitalmouse ;)
[06:59] <poningru> zulu
[06:59] <poningru> z means zulu
[06:59] <poningru> holy shit
[06:59] <poningru> err my bad @language
[06:59] <poningru> instead of utc we should make zulu our official language
[07:00] <jenda> watch language in here - as the channel grows, we need to keep it "family-friendly"
[07:00] <dotwaffle> Z doesn't mean zulu, it's pronounced zulu. Each timezone has a letter assigned to it from A to Z (obviously the two with .5 hour denominations get letters too)
[07:01] <dotwaffle> ANYWAY, back alter ;)
[07:02] <jenda> back alter? that's gotta hurt.
[07:02] <digitalmouse> jenda:  naw, we can argue that we are working on a marketing plan to persuade everyone to use Internet Time for meeting schedules of..um... future marketing plans! :-)
[07:03] <jenda> hello mindspin
[07:03] <mindspin> hi
[07:03] <mindspin> what is 19 ctc in european time ?
[07:04] <jenda> mindspin: 21:00
[07:04] <mindspin> ok
[07:05] <jenda> in CEST, that is - which is your TZ as well ;)
[07:07] <mindspin> do we have a agenda for the meeting  somewhere?
[07:08] <mindspin> this forum is closed due to complaints lodged against Jenda Vancura.
[07:08] <mindspin> what is this?
[07:08] <jenda> mindspin: ignore that ;)
[07:08] <Bilange> huh?
[07:08] <jenda> wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam
[07:08] <jenda> have a click
[07:08] <jenda> ;)
[07:10] <damned> btw, evening all.
[07:10] <mindspin> due to an overload of work I am little behind informational
[07:11] <digitalmouse> and just why would a forum be closed due to complaints against a user of said forum?  this makes no sense.
[07:11] <digitalmouse> eveing, damned
[07:11] <digitalmouse> evening*
[07:15] <jenda> digitalmouse: no, it doesn't make any sense.
[07:50] <adamant1988> why is the ubuntupeople.com site down?
[07:54] <nixternal> jenda: ping! ^^
[07:55] <jenda> adamant1988: hard to explain ;
[07:55] <jenda> ;)
[07:55] <jenda> Let's say an unnamed admin decided to take it down.
[07:55] <nixternal> t-minue 1 hour 5 minutes...i shall return...afk until then ;)
[07:55] <jenda> lator
[07:56] <adamant1988> oh...
[07:56] <adamant1988> I hadn't gotten to see it before... what am I missing exactly>?
[07:56] <jenda> it was a forum
[07:56] <jenda> where did you find the link, btw?
[07:57] <adamant1988> on the ubuntu forums
[07:57] <adamant1988> you linked to it in the linux campaign post
[08:02] <jenda> right
[08:02] <jenda> I'll fix that.
[08:11] <jenda> hello coopster
[08:11] <coopster> heya
[08:11] <jenda> will ya make it to the meeting?
[08:11] <coopster> seems likely.  in an hour?
[08:12] <jenda> 48 minutes
[08:12] <coopster> even better
[08:12] <adamant1988> does that mean that I should leave?
[08:12] <jenda> not at all :)
[08:12] <adamant1988> k.
[08:13] <jenda> A personal dnd sign - I need to get ready for the meeting.
[08:13] <adamant1988> Bah, there has to be an easier way to do this =(
[08:13] <jenda> do what?
[08:13] <adamant1988> install programs from source
[08:13] <adamant1988> can't find a binary, just source.
[08:15] <coopster> adamant1988: what's not working?  i usually just './configure && make && sudo make install' and then take a break
[08:15] <adamant1988> sheesh if it's that simple why is there no gui for it lol.
[08:16] <coopster> heh, if there's no text then it just doesnt feel like "from source" i guess ;)
[08:16] <jenda> sorry adamant1988, but you'd probably get much more help in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:16] <coopster> true
[08:16] <coopster> more and probably better help ;)
[08:16] <jenda> On the other hand - you're welcome to both stay here and come to the meeting.
[08:17] <adamant1988> I didn't even ask for help, I was just commenting 0_0
[08:17] <coopster> heh, if he stays here, then one could make a pressing argument that the meeting will come to him =)
[08:17] <jenda> err.. not disturbing - wrong word
[08:17] <jenda> disruptive.
[08:17] <coopster> sry
[08:17] <jenda> np there
[08:17] <GazzaK> well they are talkign about blowing up laptops at the mo
[08:18] <adamant1988> ok then jenda what *should* we be discussing? I can't possibly know anything about the marketing site because its down...
[08:18] <jenda> adamant1988: the marketing forum is
[08:18] <jenda> Please check the /topic
[08:19] <adamant1988> actually when I try to go to the link it tells me the site is down because of complaints against... you.
[08:19] <jenda> the wiki and the meeting agenda will probably tell you quite a bit.
[08:19] <jenda> yes, that's true. (that it says that)
[08:19] <jenda> now if you excuse me, I really need to get ready for the meeting. I can't explain now, sorry adamant1988
[08:20] <adamant1988> it's fine... i have to get ready for work anyway, but I'll idle here if that's alright with you?
[08:20] <jenda> of course
[08:20] <adamant1988> no problem then :)
[08:20] <jenda> you can also sign up to the mailing list to stay in the picture
[08:20] <adamant1988> ta-ta
[08:20] <adamant1988> what do you guys do exactly?
[08:21] <adamant1988> is this simliar to the linux campaigne?
[08:21] <jenda> that's to be decided at the meeting.
[08:21] <coopster> ...there's a meeting agenda?
[08:21] <jenda> adamant1988: they are our partner
[08:21] <jenda> coopster: yup, see wiki
[08:21] <adamant1988> Ah, I signed up there and made a few suggestions.
[08:21] <jenda> gotta get ready, sorry
[08:21] <adamant1988> k
[08:22] <jenda> where?
[08:23] <GazzaK> jenda, calm down, it'll be fine :)  have a coffee :)
[08:23] <jenda> damn good idea :)
[08:23] <GazzaK> you panicing?
[08:30] <GazzaK> 1/2 hour now jenda, got that coffee?
[08:37] <coopster> heh, i hate to be the one that puts jenda over the edge, but there's no meeting agenda on the wiki in the topic, none that i can find at least
[08:38] <GazzaK> nooo, don't say that
[08:39] <coopster> adsjsadhh.
[08:39] <coopster> i dont know what rule there is that says you find something only after stating it's not there, but...
[08:39] <coopster> nevermind.
[08:39] <GazzaK> coopster~ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
[08:41] <jenda> no.
[08:41] <jenda> My dad needed help with his new ubuntu.
[08:42] <jenda> dammit :)
[08:42] <adamant1988> I wish I could participate in the meeting.  The wiki looks nice, and the Ubuntu magazine thing, I like that idea.
[08:42] <jenda> coopster: MarketingTeam/Meetings
[08:42] <adamant1988> If you guys ever need someone who's semi-decent with English for that magazine, just let me know :)
[08:43] <coopster> yeah, i found it less than 30 seconds after declaring it didnt exist.
[08:43] <GazzaK> coopster~ lol
[08:43] <jenda> adamant1988: no worries, there'll be a summary available. Be sure to sign up to the mailing list if you want to stay up to date.
[08:43] <jenda> GazzaK: you beat me to it ;)
[08:43] <GazzaK> adamant1988~ nothing stopping you sitting in on the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting is there?
[08:43] <jenda> nvn
[08:43] <jenda> *nvm
[08:44] <adamant1988> yeah, I walk to work gazzak... half-hour walk... starts at 4 o' clock, still have to go to the bank to sort out some issues with my bank statement
[08:45] <adamant1988> the reason I say it's a shame I can't sit in is I've taken 3 marketing classes, 2 Accounting classes, and 1 economics class .  I feel I could at least generate some useful input...
[08:46] <GazzaK> join the mailing list then, and look to contribute in the future, work is work, that pays the bills, this is a hobby and doesn't
[08:46] <adamant1988> I don't have bills to pay really. I'm 17
[08:47] <GazzaK> lucky you then :)
[08:47] <GazzaK> so thats what the 1988 stands for then
[08:47] <GazzaK> I was born in 77 :p
[08:47] <adamant1988> haha hardly.  While I'm blessed with the gift of youth, I'm tainted with the curse of several mental disorders.
[08:48] <adamant1988> so I still pay my dues, one way or the other.
[08:48] <GazzaK> writing is not one of them :)  thank god
[08:48] <adamant1988> what do you mean?
[08:48] <GazzaK> adam, where are you based?
[08:48] <adamant1988> West Virginia.
[08:48] <GazzaK> I mean you write well
[08:48] <coopster> type well, anyway
[08:48] <adamant1988> Yeah, I've been told that haha.  I was talking at 1 year old.
[08:49] <adamant1988> complete sentances.
[08:49] <GazzaK> so was I "goo goo" and "gah gah"
[08:49] <adamant1988> Haha, amazing ^_^.  No my disorders stop at ADD and Bipolar disorder with psychosis.
[08:49] <GazzaK> ADD is like ADHD isn't it?
[08:50] <adamant1988> yeah
[08:50] <adamant1988> But I'm not very hyperactive.
[08:50] <GazzaK> I've been told I get that, or i'm OCD
[08:50] <GazzaK> or just too geeky
[08:50] <adamant1988> I have some OCD tendancies, which is part of why my writing/typing is good.
[08:51] <coopster> heh, good thing j_nda isn't looking, else we'd all get smacked around for being OT
[08:51] <adamant1988> There's nothing else going on.
[08:51] <coopster> ::shrug:: didn't say i understood or agreed
[08:52] <adamant1988> Rooms that are constantly policed for being OT are either very busy with the topic at hand or die quickly
[08:52] <coopster> well, as long as no one tells sara, it should be fine
[08:52] <adamant1988> I can understand being upset about OT if we were in the middle of a conversation that somehow involved the topic at hand, but honestly, nothing else is going on, so who cares.
[08:52] <_sara> off course
[08:52] <jenda> _sara: tikal?
[08:53] <_sara> yeah, I think that sara is better tikal confuses people
[08:53] <GazzaK> right, i'm away - smoking, before this meeting in 7 min
[08:53] <adamant1988> is that pronounced like 'tickle'?
[08:53] <_sara> close enough
[08:54] <_sara> is the name of the Maya city in the North of Guatemala
[08:54] <adamant1988> or do you put a heavy emphasis on the 'a' to pronounce it like 'tik-ahl'
[08:54] <coopster> or is it like 'tye k-ale' ?
[08:54] <_sara> dependes on who you ask,  the emphasis on the a works for the spanish speaking people, but the other way is better for the indigenous people of guatemala
[08:55] <adamant1988> aha,  I understand :)
[08:56] <adamant1988> grrrrr accursed walking.
[08:56] <jenda> I need a quick hosting of a 18 kB odg file... any volunteers?
[08:56] <jenda> It's spreadubuntu
[08:56] <coopster> sure
[08:56] <MagicFab> jenda, wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <coopster> or that, either way
[08:57] <coopster> wiki is probably better
[08:58] <jenda> coopster: I mailed it to you.
[08:58] <coopster> k, 1 sec
[08:58] <jenda> It might not be needed, but it might as well :)
[08:58] <jenda> two minutes.
[08:59] <jenda> I s'pose it'll be up to me to open the meeting, eh?
[08:59] <jenda> ompaul: great ;)
[08:59] <ompaul> no you have to wait for ntp to say the time ;-)
[09:02] <dotwaffle> let the meeting be starteth!
[09:03] <_sara> whoa let not all jump at the same time :)
[09:03] <dotwaffle> it's a HIVE of activity.
[09:03] <coopster> jenda: http://crashhosting.com/Spreadubuntu-060628-jenda.odg
[09:03] <jenda> #ubuntu-meeting everyone
[09:03] <jenda> coopster: thx
[09:03] <jenda> ompaul: http://crashhosting.com/Spreadubuntu-060628-jenda.odg
[10:50] <GazzaK> good meeting jenda
[10:56] <digitalmouse> not bad jenda, good job
[11:00] <digitalmouse> dotwaffle, I disagree with your earlier point about PDF being limited as a paper-based format.  PDF was never designed to limited to paper format only.  and there are good ecamples of PDF magazines formatted for screen and print that work quite well.  http://www.tuxmagazine.com comes to mind as a more recent successful example.  and it's their format that I think will allow ubuntu mag to prosper as well.  the website can provid
[11:00] <digitalmouse> examples*
[11:00] <dotwaffle> digitalmouse: I'm not saying that it restricts to paper, I'm saying it's so much better to use hypertext in these situations.
[11:01] <digitalmouse> and pdf supports that, and fairly well.
[11:01] <Bilange> yes, but paper doenst suport that ;)
[11:02] <digitalmouse> I can generate pdf documents with embedded link right out of php/mysql.  so that navigation is available for online readers, and people who print it out have the choice of doing it the old fashioned way:  turning-the-pages :-p
[11:02] <digitalmouse> everyone gets covered that way
[11:02] <digitalmouse> until we can drag the tree-killers out of the last century :-p
[11:03] <jenda> dotwaffle: the base format will be hmtl
[11:03] <jenda> GazzaK, digitalmouse thx ;)
[11:03] <digitalmouse> the website will be html, yes of course
[11:03] <jenda> digitalmouse: many people have trouble with pdfs - it should remain an optional DLable version of the mag.
[11:05] <digitalmouse> absolutely, that was the plan from as far back as 6 months ago when I first joined the mag project.  grr... why was none of this known?  the tech aspect had already been discussed at one point.  all that was needed was content
[11:05] <digitalmouse> and to decide on who wrote that content, as well as who edited it
[11:06] <jenda> digitalmouse: perhaps because the forum is down and all that stuff with it.
[11:06] <jenda> However, I wanted to comment on your comment in #ubuntu-meeting.
[11:06] <digitalmouse> luckily my head still works :-p
[11:07] <jenda> Noone discussed your work because it just wasn't the topic - I asked tikal to share the active supporters, and I didn't catch her response, if there was one.
[11:07] <jenda> I know you were active there, and appreciate it ;)
[11:08] <digitalmouse> jenda- no matter now.  these things can be tweaked via the wiki.. there is no-one else except you, dot and myself to discuss about it.  and that leaves all the other people who were at the meeting (I believe they are pretty much all gone by now)
[11:08] <jenda> yep. But please discuss all tech issues with sara, and I believe she'll be announcing a relevant meeting soon.
[11:09] <digitalmouse> I'm not trying to throw up a 'what about me?' sign, just that much of the tech and content ideas have already been discussed and no-one here seems to be aware of that
[11:09] <digitalmouse> it's like you guys are practically starting from scratch again, and that *is* a bit frustrating
[11:10] <digitalmouse> hopefully we can get some part of the old forums back so that we have it for archival content
[11:11] <jenda> digitalmouse: not at all - I think sara should be aware of what we have.
[11:12] <digitalmouse> hopefully.
[11:12] <jenda> digitalmouse: I have the sql of the forum from a week ago ;)
[11:12] <jenda> I'll be working on making it accessible.
[11:12] <digitalmouse> complete?
[11:12] <jenda> I think so.


[22:05] <exobit> Is there a recommended code review tool for bazaar users?
[22:07] <jelmer> exobit: I think the main options are launchpad and reviewboard
[22:10] <exobit> Thanks jelmer.


[00:26] <yosefu> Hi people
[00:27] <yosefu> I'm trying to get back my sound in 11.10, which i lost after some risky tweaking
[00:27] <yosefu> anyone has the patience?
[00:28] <CrOnOs2000> yosefu, why dont you just reinstall your sound packages
[00:30] <yosefu> which i've done
[00:30] <yosefu> (i hope correctly, im a noob at this)
[00:31] <yosefu> aplay - l finds no soundcard (as it did before)
[02:56] <r4y> >	I plan on installing Ubuntu 10.04, how should I go about marking bad sectors with something from here: http://support.wdc.com/ or with the live cd of Ubuntu?, or both?
[02:58] <r4y> Did my post show up, or should I repost?
[03:00] <urlin2u> it shows, I have never seen advice to do this I think you are probably on your own here
[03:01] <r4y> I am going to assume that because it says it requires Windows that I should somehow use the live CD of Ubuntu to mark the bad sectors before installing.
[03:02] <r4y> Google it is
[03:02] <urlin2u> are you sure there are bad sectors?
[03:02] <r4y> Well Disk Utility says so
[03:02] <r4y> But it could be a bug
[03:03] <r4y> I don't know
[03:03] <r4y> 10.04
[03:03] <r4y> I have just recently downloaded 10.04.3 instead of the other I was using
[03:04] <r4y> Sorry I meant 10.10 not 10.04, but I am going to install 10.04.3, not 10.04
[03:06] <r4y> I have read this before:
[03:06] <r4y> Keep in mind, all disks have some bad sectors, so as with all data important, back up
[03:06] <r4y> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1487833&page=1
[03:07] <r4y> Even new hard drives have bad sectors
[03:07] <r4y> It's just a question of how bad
[03:07] <urlin2u> a regular ubuntu install will not use bad sectors just install and pray it doesn't break overlal
[03:07] <urlin2u> overall*
[03:08] <r4y> right, well, I am going to Google this for a while because it couldn't hurt. I remember reading that there is an advanced option for this but I have read a lot of things that aren't true or change from version to version
[03:09] <urlin2u> here is a link, but the deal is really that I would estimate 99% of the users you run into will say since HD are so cheap get a new one it just comes down to you being able to do it. http://www.ehow.com/how_6864409_fix-bad-sectors-ubuntu.html
[03:09] <urlin2u> you could map it out and have it fail on the next boot .
[03:10] <sluckxz> http://linux.die.net/man/8/badblocks
[03:10] <r4y> Being backed is very important
[03:10] <r4y> thank you for the links
[03:11] <r4y> I remember low level format being what to do
[03:11] <r4y> I am already backed up by the way
[03:14] <urlin2u> thats good I clone everything and have the stuff I can't loose backed up.
[03:19] <r4y> I went back to the first link I posted for the heck of it:
[03:19] <r4y> http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?modelno=WD3200JBRTL&x=0&y=0
[03:19] <r4y> I am not sure if I want to go with any of those downloads
[03:22] <r4y> I think I would rather go with some other software that will mark the hard drive using a low level wipe, but what software is free for this?
[03:33] <ashickur-noor> how can I  video chat using yahoo protocol in Ubuntu 10.10?
[03:35] <holstein> this might be relavant ashickur-noor https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bd/2008-December/002682.html
[03:38] <r4y> Hello holstein. I am wondering if hirens or UBCD can do a low level format on a hard drive I have here. It's a WD Caviar Blue model WD3200JBRTL
[03:38] <holstein> r4y: dont see why not
[03:38] <holstein> i havent used hirens though
[03:38] <r4y> Pata
[03:38] <holstein> sure... ive used UBCD and gparted from live CD's on PATA
[03:39] <r4y> I don't see Sata written on the box
[03:39] <r4y> OK, I need a guide for this. Any links for what I should use off of either CD?
[03:40] <ashickur-noor> holstein:  it is not good
[03:40] <holstein> for formatting? i would just load up gparted
[03:40] <r4y> I mean I am looking here:
[03:40] <r4y> http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd
[03:40] <holstein> ashickur-noor: OK.. what are you trying to do?
[03:40] <holstein> yahoo chat in ubuntu?
[03:40] <holstein> whats it take?.. a stand alone app?
[03:40] <ashickur-noor> ya with video
[03:41] <holstein> im only familiar with skype (loosely) and the gtalk one
[03:41] <ashickur-noor> I can chat but no video
[03:41] <holstein> ashickur-noor: in WINE?
[03:41] <holstein> in the browser?
[03:41] <holstein> how are you chatting?
[03:41] <r4y> I used DBAN already. I want to do low format to have the bad sectors marked and remapped before I install Ubuntu 10.04.3
[03:41] <ashickur-noor> empathy'
[03:41] <holstein> i thought pidgin did yahoo with vid ashickur-noor ?
[03:41] <ashickur-noor> not works
[03:41] <holstein> r4y: how many bad sectors?
[03:41] <holstein> if its over the limit, it wont get much better
[03:42] <holstein> if its clicking, i would just give up on it
[03:42] <r4y> 80 some, I think, I can't remember
[03:42] <holstein> ashickur-noor: video doesnt work with pidgin?
[03:42] <holstein> ashickur-noor: have you tried wine?
[03:42] <ashickur-noor> not yet
[03:42] <ashickur-noor> Will try
[03:42] <ashickur-noor> need to go now
[03:42] <ashickur-noor> bye
[03:43] <r4y> Well, that's what this hard drive says which is 82, but for the hard drive I am going to install on, I can't remember how many sectors on that hard drive
[03:44] <holstein> a few bad ones is normal
[03:44] <holstein> if you start seeing it in red in that disk utility.... you might want to consider moving on
[03:44] <r4y> Right, always make back ups, and even most new hard drives have bad sectors
[03:45] <r4y> what part red. Maybe I should just install Ubuntu and see what disk utility says after doing so
[03:46] <r4y> I read that when installing Ubuntu there is a way to have the live cd mark the bad sectors for install
[03:47] <r4y> I know what I could try. bye I might be back
[03:47] <r4y> :) /
[03:48] <holstein> r4y: enjoy
[03:48] <r4y> ty for the help
[03:48] <holstein> the disk utility reports bad errors in red
[03:48] <holstein> like a high bad sector count
[03:48] <holstein> anyways... you'll sort it out :)
[03:48] <r4y> right, I will keep that in mind
[03:48] <holstein> i have confidence in you!
[03:48] <r4y> what's considered high?
[03:49] <r4y> I suppose that depends on the HD size
[03:49] <holstein> i forget
[03:49] <holstein> ive seen a lot though
[03:50] <holstein> i think 500 is bad
[03:50] <r4y> OK, far enough. Thank you for the info
[03:50] <holstein> but, at some point, its just deteriorating
[03:50] <holstein> and its just going to get worse
[03:50] <holstein> and usually fast
[03:50] <r4y> Right, that's the way of life
[03:51] <r4y> probiotics, no anti-biotics, lol
[11:55] <ashickur-noor> HI any body here?
[12:01] <Snicksie> yeah, im here :p
[12:23] <ashickur-noor> hi
[17:53] <truepurple> Can anyone help me fix indexing on mkv files please? A simple google search will not do it, most of the results are for avi only, or don't work.
[18:51] <abhishek> can anyone suggest me where to start with ubuntu development
[18:52] <urlin2u> abhishek, we are not fond of dual posting as well, you might ask on the Ubuntu Forums, you will get a lot of answers there. :D
[19:29] <eyadof> hi everybody i tried to setup a bridge network between my ubuntu 11.10 and ubuntu server 11.10 on virtual box but i'v failed and "device not managed " on the wired connection is written can somebody help please>
[19:30] <clarkthehardy910> my internal mic isn't working at all, can anyone help me find out what's wrong?
[19:31] <clarkthehardy910> well, its actually working because I can hear the sound through the speakers, but voice recorder isn't getting it, and neither is google talk (through chromium/firefox)
[19:32] <clarkthehardy910> any idea of what I need to do?
[19:54] <thewrath> hey all
[19:54] <JackyAlcine> Hello thewrath
[19:55] <thewrath> how are you JackyAlcine
[19:56] <JackyAlcine> thewrath: Could be better, but can't ask for too much. :D How about you?
[19:59] <thewrath> good
[19:59] <thewrath> just had to remove a rogue security software package from my paresnts computer
[19:59] <thewrath> it installs the rogue security package and a rootkit in the background
[19:59] <thewrath> so you can remove the app but the rootkit is still there
[19:59] <thewrath> luckily i was able to remove all of it
[20:00] <urlin2u> yousure you got it all?
[20:00] <thewrath> if they have an issue again i am just going to install Ubuntu on it
[20:00] <thewrath> followed all the steps that i found on the issue
[20:01] <thewrath> The package was called "Privacy Protection"
[20:01] <thewrath> Apparently my mom did not know the difference
[20:01] <JackyAlcine> thewrath: It happens, since they tend to replicate the system's look at times.
[20:01] <thewrath> between Avast and "Privacy Protection" so she told me that the system was infected with the blaster worm well that was a rip
[20:02] <thewrath> what JackyAlcine
[20:02] <thewrath> urlin2u: i am also work with IT security for my full time job
[20:02] <urlin2u> thewrath, you might check with the windows channel just to be sure you run highjack this to see whats there.
[20:02] <thewrath> urlin2u: ah i am going to run combofix
[20:02] <urlin2u> thewrath, I figured you know what your di=oing just asking?
[20:02] <thewrath> yea lol
[20:03] <thewrath> sorry been a long day lol
[20:03] <JackyAlcine> thewrath: some viruses go as far as to replicate a system program like Windows Defender to trick a user.
[20:03] <thewrath> i was trying to see if it was phoning home at all
[20:03] <thewrath> so i brought home my system
[20:03] <thewrath> JackyAlcine:  yea. she is not into IT like my brother and I are. one photo takeen of the screen with that up i would have known
[20:04] <urlin2u> thewrath, combofix is good this is an area  know only a little about, but many think things are gone when not, I had remembered that you were knowledgeable in this area, just curious really.
[20:04] <urlin2u> I*
[20:04] <truepurple> I am trying to get it so I can fastward and rewind in video files with broken indexing. I was told to try aviemux. There are two versions of avidemux in the software center,  gtk and qt, which version do I want?
[20:19] <thewrath> JackyAlcine: when is hte next team meeting?
[20:20] <JackyAlcine> it's typically posted in the topic.
[20:20] <JackyAlcine> Empathy's not letting me see it.
[20:36] <pers87> all of my downloads of the ubuntu 11.10 x86 iso in ie&firefox fail,i have no trouble downloading stuff on irc,is there a bot i can get it from?
[20:41] <bioterror> use torrent?
[20:42] <bioterror> or use wget
[20:42] <bioterror> and if you fetch with wget, remember to do md5 checksum
[20:46] <pers87> ok, thanks bioterror!
[20:46] <JackyAlcine> If your connection's weak, add the argument '-C' to wget so you can continue later.
[20:47] <bioterror> I would use torrent
[20:47] <bioterror> I get better speeds with too
[20:47] <bioterror> with it
[21:36] <truepurple> with system monitor, what is the difference between free space, and available space?