[02:53] <twobitspr1te> can someone please tell me how to install the official java JRE?
[02:53] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, you're probably better off upgrading to dapper if that's reasonable for you
[02:53] <Healot> !java
[02:53] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[02:53] <Jerr> you could always try moving a monitor over there, messing with the settings (install gnome, go to remote desktop, turn it on and remove asking for confirmation), then taking monitor back to its place
[02:53] <farous> ok an easier quest is there a command line tool to check for running daemons?
[02:54] <bimberi> jolmash: which vnc packages?  most of them are started with a 'vncserver' command
[02:54] <jolmash> bimberi: ok, my question is: How can I configure a VNC server in Ubuntu?
[02:54] <Angel_Dex> nickrud no way dapper hates my guts
[02:54] <jolmash> bimberi: vnc4server, tightvnc
[02:54] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, ah, bug issues I take it?
[02:54] <Angel_Dex> nickrud many upon many including it stoped booting all together after a week
[02:54] <Jerr> jolmash: thats what I did, but using livecd install instead
[02:54] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, so unless your bugs are ones I know of, I'll just shut up
[02:54] <DShepherd> jolmash: System - prefs- remote desktop?
[02:54] <bimberi> jolmash: generally the method is to connect in text mode (eg. via ssh) and start a vncserver with that command.  Then connect via a vnc client
[02:55] <Jerr> DShepherd: he doesn't have gnome
[02:55] <swaj> jolmash, click the "System" menu up top on Gnome and then navigate to "Preferences > Remote Desktop"
[02:55] <Jerr> DShepherd: or a monitor
[02:55] <DShepherd> Jerr: ooooh..
[02:55] <Angel_Dex> nickrud To many bugs plus i jsut dont like dapper all i really want is the new gxine cuz its alot more stable then 4.4
[02:55] <varsendaggar> ak for some reason i can't get breezy working i just installd it and it gets  to about where the gdm should start up and it freezez
[02:55] <jolmash> swaj: thanks, but I don't have Gnome
[02:55] <jolmash> swaj: I have xfce
[02:56] <DShepherd> jolmash: sudo aptitude purge 'what DShepherd just said'
[02:56] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, I've been happy with dapper, but I have generic hardware.
[02:56] <docko> dli, so what is the quickest way to test a computer for hardware compatibility with ubuntu?
[02:56] <swaj> jolmash, ah, xubuntu?
[02:56] <Angel_Dex> nickrud Hum well is there anything else that depends on the libs gxine does?
[02:56] <bimberi> jolmash: hm, those packages might use a different command - perhaps try vnc4server or tightvncserver
[02:57] <Zambezi> Only 662 online. I used to be about 800-900 online!
[02:57] <Tailsfan> Will DD have Data CD Burning Support
[02:57] <swaj> docko, download the ubuntu installation CD, burn it, and boot from it.  It's a livecd that will let you see exactly how ubuntu will run on your hardware
[02:57] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, totem-xine off the top of my head; I no longer have a breezy chroot I can work from and check taht
[02:57] <jolmash> swaj: actually, Ubuntu sever with xfce
[02:57] <dli> docko, hardware is mostly a kernel thing, so, you can test with any linux livecd, try gentoo livecd, which is like 40MB in size, without X, so 128MB is more than enough
[02:57] <varsendaggar> Zambezi, lotsa people are upgrading right now
[02:57] <Angel_Dex> nickrud I do not have totem Gxine and if i could id uinstall totem all together
[02:57] <docko> dli, cool, thank you
[02:58] <Zambezi> varsendaggar, Upgrading too?
[02:58] <varsendaggar> yeah
[02:58] <zorplex> Would using a gtk them stop metacity keybindings from working?
[02:58] <__mikem> well, I am out of here bye
[02:58] <zorplex> B/c I'm trying to bind gedit and the system monitor and its a no go
[02:58] <Flawless> does ubuntu even support iso-8859-1 locales?
[02:58] <Jerr> so how can I get spca5xx video to go out as something camorama or something can read
[02:59] <Jerr> spcagui works
[02:59] <_nano_> Hi, I'm thinking of upgrading my 386 kernel to a 686 one. Could anyone advise me of any possible risks?
[02:59] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, erh. gxine is not totem-xine. And to be truthful, I am not happy with what video I have. So, maybe in a few days I'll have an opinion
[02:59] <dli> Flawless, of course
[02:59] <Flawless> dli: how?
[02:59] <Zambezi> varsendaggar, Upgrading to Edgy?
[02:59] <skavenge> is there brightness/contrast settings built into gnome? or a package i can install?
[02:59] <varsendaggar> naw just dapper  Zambezi
[02:59] <Flawless> dli: I've changed /etc/environment, after editing /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local to generate en_DK.iso8859-1
[02:59] <Jerr> could I possible have like cron take a screenshot of that area on that workspace every minute or so?
[03:00] <Flawless> dli: then I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales, which generates this new locale
[03:00] <nickrud> skavenge, xgamma does it all for you
[03:00] <dli> Flawless, better, choose your language in gdm before logging in, you may need packages for your language first
[03:00] <Flawless> dli: but I don't get accented characters at all!
[03:00] <Tailsfan> Will Dapper Drake have Data CD Burning Support without dling a package
[03:00] <Angel_Dex> nickrud i know of this im saying i hate totem and totem-xine i prefer Gxine and xine and i wish to update to the dapper versions but i heard repo play is not liked so im wondering if the lib depends are gonna screw anything else up if i bootleg upgradethem
[03:00] <Flawless> dli: I use KDE
[03:00] <Zambezi> varsendaggar, But they are late. Dapperrelease was a month ago. ;-)
[03:00] <dli> Flawless, kdm then
[03:00] <nemik> so i'm going for a second try here. I simply cannot get my sound to work. i have a via 8235 built-in card on my dapper desktop.
[03:00] <Flawless> dli: But I'd like to use English
[03:00] <nemik> it worked fine in breezy though.
[03:00] <skavenge> nickrud; is there a gui for setting that stuff at all?
[03:00] <ardchoille> Tailsfan: iirc, nautilus does data cd burning in dapper out-of-the-box
[03:01] <Flawless> dli: Is there an option for iso8859-1 en_US or en_DK?
[03:01] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, I like dapper. It has some real improvements over breezy. But, video? it's always a crapshoot. I'm looking into the best for me
[03:01] <ardchoille> Angel_Dex: I have always had good experiences with Xine and MPlayer both
[03:01] <dli> Flawless, in kconsole, you may select your fonts
[03:01] <Flawless> dli: yeah, that doesn't help me
[03:01] <nickrud> skavenge, I got gammapage off the net, which helped me identify the proper settings for the gamma in xorg.conf
[03:01] <Angel_Dex> nickrud Not what im saying TT_TT would updating gxine from dapper repos screw my breezy over
[03:01] <Flawless> dli: well, it helps me in konsole of course
[03:02] <StyXman> hi all. I'm trying to fiddle with the initrd imge. as far as I know, it's a compressed filesystem image, so if I decompress it I should be able to mount it with the loop option, right?
[03:02] <Flawless> dli: but the rest of kde still doesn't work then
[03:02] <Zambezi> Does anyone know what -v (verbose) means?
[03:02] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, almost certainly
[03:02] <Angel_Dex> nickrud *whines* but how?
[03:02] <Flawless> dli: I mean, the file selectors in all KDE (and Gnome) programs will expect UTF8, while my filesystem names are all iso8859-1
[03:02] <dli> Flawless, you want it more global, you have to select your language in kdm
[03:02] <ardchoille> Zambezi: it prints out in the term what the command is doing while it does it
[03:02] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, I haven't done it, but I promise, using dapper sources under breezy will screw you in the long run
[03:02] <Flawless> dli: I'll try logging in again. Didn't see an option for that though
[03:03] <Angel_Dex> nickrud i think ill try it in a live CD session tho would that tel lme much?
[03:03] <twobitspr1te> can someone please help me get java working?
[03:03] <skavenge> i have one brightness setting on ac power with my laptop, and quite a bit darker when i unplug sucking battery or not i'd like to make it so its always the brightness that it has on ac power ...
[03:03] <Geoffrey2> has anyone here used clamav?
[03:03] <Zambezi> ardchoille, Thanks. I'll do that. I can't get an application to work, so this might be helpful.
[03:03] <twobitspr1te> for some reason java programs can't find the SHA algorithm (which is supposed to be standard java)...
[03:04] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, yes, it'll tell you a truthful thing: this is the best support that the ubuntu devs have to offer
[03:04] <twobitspr1te> I have installed "sun-java5-bin" but "java -version" shows something other than suns java...
[03:04] <wasabi> twobitspr1te: update-alternatives
[03:04] <Angel_Dex> nickrud oks
[03:04] <ardchoille> Zambezi: if yu can't get an app to work, always a good idea to try running it from a terminal and see if there is any error output
[03:04] <Angel_Dex> nickrud what kinda bugs or tests should i look out or do while in the live session?
[03:04] <twobitspr1te> wasabi: please-explain ?
[03:04] <wasabi> twobitspr1te: run that command
[03:05] <jasonm> anyone in here familiar with running XGL?
[03:05] <wasabi> Me.
[03:05] <twobitspr1te> wasabi, it gives me usage information...? what is it supposed to do?
[03:05] <wasabi> twobitspr1te: Switch between different implementations of a command.
[03:05] <wasabi> Read the man page.
[03:05] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, none that I know of, since I am just a side line kind of guy; but the best advice I have is that if you decide to install, use the alternate cd, not the desktop one.
[03:06] <w33v3r> Guys, Rob Levin is lying to us: http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=Peer-Directed%20Projects%20Center%20&Button=search&Search_ID=32004514421
[03:06] <Flawless> dli: Ok, so I selected "english" (without the "(UTF-8)" postfix). That option is only there because I edited those files, btw.
[03:06] <namikata> hello
[03:06] <Flawless> dli: and now no local chars work
[03:06] <Flawless> dli: all accents are broken
[03:06] <Jeruvy> can you repackage the alternative iso after making changes to it?
[03:06] <twobitspr1te> wasabi, sorry for being an idiot, but can you tell me how to use it to get suns java to work?
[03:06] <Zambezi> ardchoille, That's what I'm trying, but I can't make it work. I don't understand Linux yet.
[03:06] <nickrud> w33v3r, what kind of lie is that: I have the exact link for my work
[03:07] <dli> Flawless, then, use UTF-8 system wide :)
[03:07] <Flawless> dli: funny :(
[03:07] <ardchoille> Zambezi: then you're in the perfect channel to learn about it :)
[03:07] <vanberge> umm, i just synced my ipod with banshee, and now it wont turn on?
[03:07] <skavenge> whoo fixed my brightness issue
[03:07] <Geoffrey2> twobitspr1te, in terminal, type the following ..... sudo update-alternatives --config java
[03:07] <wasabi> twobitspr1te: No, but somebody else might. I'm not going to help anyone install Sun's Java on principal. ;)
[03:07] <wasabi> There ya go.
[03:07] <nickrud> w33v3r, ?
[03:08] <Flawless> dli: I like ubuntu quite a lot, but failing to support even the simplest deviation from utf8 is reason enough for me to go back to debian. I'm on a network with several machines, some of which are already ubuntu
[03:08] <w33v3r> nickrud: He doesn't live in a trailer, he's living off Freenode donations and welfare.
[03:08] <namikata> hi, anyone knows if thers is any way of telling alsa wich /dev/dsp to use? (like dsp or dsp1)
[03:08] <namikata> thanks
[03:08] <Flawless> dli: I really wish I could make this locale work :-/
[03:08] <dli> Flawless, no point to switch from debian to ubuntu :(
[03:08] <tich> how do i alter the icon placement on the desktop? whenever it places an icon it drops it underneath the top panel.
[03:08] <Flawless> dli: what do you mean?
[03:08] <nickrud> w33v3r, yes  and your point is? Has he mis represented anything?
[03:09] <dli> Flawless, debian is better, unless you are a total n00b
[03:09] <Zambezi> ardchoille, I use pastebin. Is there a faster than http://pastebin.com ?
[03:09] <Flawless> dli: not really, no. I've been using debian for years
[03:09] <w33v3r> nickrud: The money doesn't go to Freenode.
[03:09] <Flawless> dli: And I really like the fact that ubuntu has more "polish"
[03:09] <dli> Zambezi, pastebin.ca
[03:09] <nickrud> w33v3r, he is free node.
[03:09] <wasabi> Flawless: What do you mean about the locales?
[03:09] <Flawless> dli: there aren't so many small things that are "off"
[03:09] <namikata> hi, anyone knows if thers is any way of telling alsa wich /dev/dsp to use? (like dsp or dsp1)
[03:09] <dli> Flawless, I can install my debian in chinese
[03:09] <Zambezi> dli, Thanks.
[03:09] <wasabi> File systems are in UTF-8 by default... but it's not like the OS lacks non UTF-8 support.
[03:09] <Flawless> wasabi: I can't use iso-8859-1 locales at all! Only UTF-8 locales work
[03:09] <fugenhel> I'm a total noob, but wouldn't ubuntu be better for a purely desktop environment?
[03:09] <pavan> @tich: look in nautilus properties
[03:09] <wasabi> Use where?
[03:09] <Flawless> dli: sure, and I can install debian in en_DK
[03:10] <Flawless> dli: which I can't with ubuntu :(
[03:10] <Flawless> wasabi: Everywhere!
[03:10] <Flawless> wasabi: All X programs have problems with accented chars
[03:10] <nickrud> w33v3r, if you ever try to run a non profit, then you may understand the freaking troubling issues
[03:10] <wasabi> Flawless: Eh? I don't follow at all. Define everywhere.
[03:10] <fugenhel> jeg kan ikke tale dansk
[03:10] <wasabi> Flawless: You mean GTK?
[03:10] <twobitspr1te> Geoffrey2, ahh... thanks, that did it
[03:10] <wasabi> Gtk has been UTF-8 since Gtk2.  All of GTK, KDE, and plain xlib progs
[03:10] <Flawless> wasabi: the real ttys actually work
[03:10] <dli> Flawless, reinstall debian, 20 minutes, if you are experienced
[03:10] <Flawless> dli: I know
[03:11] <Flawless> dli: I just really want to give this thing a chance
[03:11] <ardchoille> Zambezi: yes:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[03:11] <ubuntuman> i cant get my USB-headset to work..anyone able to help?
[03:11] <wasabi> Flawless: X programs need to know what local each file you are attempting to read is in.
[03:11] <wasabi> YOu're going to have to be a little more explicite. ;)
[03:11] <salah> tips to how to write my own printer driver?
[03:11] <Flawless> wasabi: of course. And I set my locale to en_DK.iso-8859-1 (which I of course made sure is generated)
[03:11] <w33v3r> nickrud: Freenode will be gone in a year because of this.
[03:11] <Flawless> wasabi: now if I do that, my dead keys work as if I was using "nodeadkeys"
[03:11] <Flawless> wasabi: that is, they suddenly can't be used to accent the next char
[03:12] <NickGarvey> does the "free" in freenode stand for freedom?
[03:12] <pavan> 1
[03:12] <wasabi> Flawless: I'd file a bug. Have you?
[03:12] <NickGarvey> as in software?
[03:12] <wasabi> Flawless: All that code is basically sahred with Debian.
[03:12] <ardchoille> w33v3r: yeah and people will never need more than 640k of memory
[03:12] <Flawless> wasabi: In straight debian it Just Works
[03:12] <Flawless> wasabi: And I know because I've just come from that :)
[03:12] <Flawless> wasabi: Which is why I find it amazing that such a simple thing is 100% broken :)
[03:13] <tich> pavan, there isn't any option for icon placement. do you know of anywhere else?
[03:13] <w33v3r> ardchoille: You don't understand, Rob is ruined. People know everything about him now. All his personal information, credit card numbers, etc, have been revealed.
[03:13] <Flawless> wasabi: should I file a bug with kubuntu or just ubuntu?
[03:13] <nickrud> w33v3r, no, it won't. I've worked for non profits since the late 80's; I've seen rob's blogs about where the money will go; it's not wrong, it's legal, and it's ethical. Get a lifew
[03:13] <pavan> @tich Do you mean the text below the icon?
[03:14] <wasabi> Flawless: Just ubuntu.
[03:14] <w33v3r> It won't be revealed? It's already public.
[03:14] <Flawless> wasabi: ok
[03:14] <nickrud> w33v3r, if it wasn't public, I would not have been able to evaluate. Get a life
[03:15] <ardchoille> hahahahaha
[03:15] <tich> pavan, no. when i download a file it places it on my desktop automatically but it always drops it under my top panel.
[03:15] <wasabi> Flawless: And I hate to say it, because you've probably all ready heard it. Why can't you use UTF-8?
[03:15] <wasabi> It's designed to solve these problems.
[03:15] <Flawless> wasabi: Fair enough, I suppose I have to answer that
[03:15] <ubuntuman> i cant get my USB-headset to work..anyone able to help?
[03:15] <wasabi> I can understanding requiring certain files to be !UTF8
[03:15] <wasabi> for exchange
[03:15] <Flawless> wasabi: 1) Several of my programs can't work with it, zsh being the worst case
[03:16] <Angel_Dex> My friend cant boot ither 5.10 nor 6.06 of ubuntu
[03:16] <wasabi> At this time the developent versions of zsh support utf-8 (your can simply install zsh from cvs. With this feature you can use zsh with any language.
[03:16] <Flawless> wasabi: 2) I have about 1TB of files I need to rename, all at once (this is not hard) BUT: I need to convert every other machine on the network to UTF-8 instantly as well!
[03:16] <Angel_Dex> why is this? he says he gets a cannot find file error of some sort
[03:16] <wasabi> Flawless: files don't HAVE to be in UTF8
[03:16] <AJR11> guys can anyone tell me if its possible to burn the ubuntu live cd image to a dvd?
[03:16] <Zambezi> ardchoille, Here it is: http://pastebin.ca/72646
[03:16] <Flawless> wasabi: 3) Several of my programs can't... etc
[03:16] <wasabi> Either do file systems.
[03:16] <crimsun> !info zsh-beta
[03:16] <ubotu> zsh-beta: A shell with lots of features (dev tree). In repository universe, is optional. Version 4.3.0-dev-2+20060113-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 2063 kB, installed size 6344 kB
[03:17] <Flawless> wasabi: yup, know about that one
[03:17] <Flawless> has anyone seen a deb of the zsh beta?
[03:17] <wasabi> You should be able to specify the encoding for a NFS mount, for instance.
[03:17] <Jeruvy> ajr: should be ok
[03:17] <Flawless> oh, it IS the deb? :)
[03:17] <AJR11> Jeruvy how?
[03:17] <jasonm> anyone in here familiar with running XGL? i have some problems wtiht he setup
[03:17] <ardchoille> Zambezi: what is that?!?!?
[03:17] <Zambezi> ardchoille, Of course xxx is changed on my computer to the real ip/user/pass.
[03:17] <Flawless> wasabi: well that's cool, at least (nfs)
[03:17] <NickGarvey> !tell jasonm about xgl
[03:17] <Zambezi> ardchoille, Just help me. :-)
[03:17] <fiveiron> ugh... so how do i set up a dir for glslideshow with this gnome-screensaver crap...
[03:18] <Flawless> wasabi: should I set the encoding that the server has, or that the client expects (for nfs)
[03:18] <ardchoille> Zambezi: I can't help you if I have no idea what that is
[03:18] <ardchoille> Zambezi: What is the problem?
[03:18] <Zambezi> ardchoille, It extracts files via the network to my XBOX. It won't even begin the extration.
[03:19] <AJR11> anyone how to burn cd image to dvd?
[03:19] <Flawless> wasabi: ok, so zsh-beta works quite nicely
[03:19] <pavan> @tich: try using from Desktop: right click, and say align/arrange files on desktop
[03:19] <wasabi> Hmm. I thought NFS had those options.
[03:19] <Flawless> wasabi: oh man, I really need this to work
[03:19] <ardchoille> Zambezi: never heard of it
[03:20] <Flawless> wait, GTK programs has an environment var that can specify the filename encoding
[03:20] <wasabi> Ahh.
[03:20] <Flawless> maybe I could just set this to iso88591
[03:20] <wasabi> We'll, the goal is of ourse to convert.
[03:20] <wasabi> ANd never worry about it again.
[03:20] <Flawless> Sure
[03:20] <DonL> Hello
[03:20] <Flawless> wasabi: but it's quite a pain when you standing on the other side :)
[03:20] <Zambezi> ardchoille, It not common, but extract-iso doesn't work. Many experience problems so I'm trying with this instead. I really need it too work.
[03:21] <Flawless> wasabi: and dli even got me trying to use gdm to restart kde. It feels ooooh so wrong ;)
[03:21] <wasabi> Well, you can put the problem off as long as you want. !UTF-8 sucks. ;)
[03:21] <Flawless> wasabi: yeah, yeah :)
[03:21] <ardchoille> Zambezi: an ISO is a finalised file system, you don't extract it, you mount it and then copy files from it
[03:22] <Zambezi> ardchoille, This mounts and copies it.
[03:22] <skavenge> anyone monkeyed with crystalcursors? i ran the cli config which is supposed to change the cursors system-wide in X, restarted and everything its still using the default cursors under system > preferences > mouse?
[03:22] <Mixx`> does anyone have a suggestion (besides VNC) to remote control an existing x session from another PC?  The problem is I'm remote controlling a 1600x1200 session from a 1280x960 screen
[03:22] <ardchoille> Zambezi: I've never used it so I cannot help with it
[03:23] <Zambezi> ardchoille, I'm feeling desperate. I need it to work!
[03:23] <dli> Flawless, gdm can start kde
[03:23] <Flawless> dli: yes, I just did that. It just feels... dirty
[03:23] <Flawless> :)
[03:23] <Zambezi> ardchoille, But you can probably guess what I should right? Then I report to you and we make it work.
[03:24] <Flawless> wasabi: so, nfs doesn't allow any recoding
[03:24] <Flawless> wasabi: what to do... converting everything is a big task :(
[03:24] <ardchoille> Zambezi: find someone else to help you please
[03:25] <nickrud> ardchoille, welcome :)
[03:25] <protocol1> how do I configure Xorg?
[03:25] <ardchoille> nickrud: ?
[03:25] <dli> protocol1, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:25] <kalosaurusrex> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:25] <Zambezi> Can anyone help me with an application in the terminal that won't work? Its installed properly, but I don't use the right command. Please help.
[03:25] <nickrud> protocol1, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:25] <wasabi> Flawless: Yeah. Not sure. Looking around.
[03:25] <protocol1> with gedit that is?
[03:25] <nickrud> ardchoille, we gotta know our limits :)
[03:26] <kalosaurusrex> nick what's the -phigh do?
[03:26] <ardchoille> nickrud: indeed
[03:26] <Flawless> wasabi: at least convmv can convert all the filenames for me. But that'll screw up everybody else
[03:26] <farous> can grub handle more than 3 primary partitions on a harddisk?
[03:26] <stpere> Zambezi, what's the application?
[03:26] <protocol1> nickrud, I was talking about the file
[03:26] <Flawless> wasabi: hmm.. looks like there's an extremely acidic apple I might have to bite in the near future
[03:26] <dli> farous, you can have at most 4 primary partitions
[03:26] <Zambezi> stpere, xbiso
[03:26] <protocol1> with like an editor
[03:26] <wasabi> Flawless: If the non UTF 8 code in Ubuntu is rotting, it's bound to be doing hte same in Debian.
[03:27] <nickrud> protocol1, that command I gave will reset X to defaults; we can work from there
[03:27] <kalosaurusrex> gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf I believe.
[03:27] <Flawless> wasabi: well, it works fine in debian, what can I say :)
[03:27] <protocol1> ahh thanks
[03:27] <farous> dli i have 3 and it is not allowing me to create the 4th. i actually need 4 is there a special way i need to set it. (newbie here in terms of partitioning
[03:27] <wasabi> All that stuff comes from the same upstream... heck, Ubuntu just takes Debian's packages anyways.
[03:27] <Flawless> wasabi: well, not quite it seems :)
[03:28] <virus> buenas
[03:28] <nickrud> wasabi, except when it doesn't, that's ehre it gets fun
[03:28] <virus> algun espaol?
[03:28] <ajayc> ^richiefrich, hi
[03:28] <nickrud> erm where
[03:28] <dli> farous, no, 4 primary, or 3 primary + 1 extended (with logic partitions inside)
[03:28] <Usunny> !uft8
[03:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about uft8
[03:28] <^richiefrich> ajayc  u get the email
[03:28] <Angel_Dex> nickrud i did it under  alive session no problems
[03:28] <Usunny> argh
[03:28] <existance> can anyone suggest a good IDE to use for programming besides eclipse?
[03:28] <Usunny> !utf8
[03:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about utf8
[03:29] <dli> farous, to creat the 4th primary, you have to delete your logic partitions
[03:29] <eyegore> anjunta?
[03:29] <Angel_Dex> !xine
[03:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about xine
[03:29] <farous> dli all of them?
[03:29] <Angel_Dex> !gxine
[03:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about gxine
[03:29] <Angel_Dex> bastad
[03:29] <eyegore> existance: anjunta
[03:29] <dli> farous, yes, and the extended one (holder)
[03:29] <jeeves_Moss> all:  does any one here know of another DNS server software package for Ubuntu like Bind9 that is more visual?
[03:29] <nickrud> !info gxine
[03:29] <ubotu> gxine: the xine video player, GTK+/Gnome user interface. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.5.1-0ubuntu15 (dapper), package size 301 kB, installed size 804 kB
[03:29] <eyegore> *anjuta
[03:29] <nickrud> !info xine-ui
[03:29] <ubotu> xine-ui: the xine video player, user interface. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4-0ubuntu6 (dapper), package size 1567 kB, installed size 3512 kB
[03:30] <dli> farous, linux doesn't care about primary or logic,
[03:30] <farous> dli: thanx i think that is not possible then. for home is a logical part and can not risk loosing that even if i have backup
[03:30] <Flawless> !utf-8
[03:30] <ubotu> I know nothing about utf-8
[03:30] <Flawless> hm..
[03:30] <nickrud> utf-8 is default
[03:30] <Angel_Dex> Id really like to run 0.5.1 on breezy
[03:30] <qmx> hi
[03:30] <farous> dli: thank you for your help
[03:30] <eyegore> existance: it is in the standard repositories
[03:31] <Angel_Dex> think anyone has made a package for breezy on it? >.>
[03:31] <ardchoille> Angel_Dex: isn't gxine just a gui front-end to xine?
[03:31] <qmx> how can i make ubuntu packages from svn sources? i need to tar it up
[03:31] <VR_> has anyone received CDs from shipit yet?
[03:31] <eyegore> I myself use the text editor vim
[03:31] <Angel_Dex> ardchoille Yush but 0.5.1 ish much sturdyer as i can see then 0.4.4
[03:31] <ardchoille> VR_: I'm still waiting, ut I found they usually take 4 to 6 weeks
[03:31] <dli> qmx, use .deb , ubuntu is not based on source
[03:31] <eyegore> then run the command line compile
[03:32] <flavio> xxx
[03:32] <VR_> ardchoille: yeah, i guess it'll be another week or so
[03:32] <existance> eyegore, yea, but I'm getting tired of making makefiles and such
[03:32] <VR_> i can't wait
[03:32] <VR_> i love the smell of new ubuntu CDs
[03:32] <ardchoille> VR_: me too
[03:32] <AJR11> New ubuntu CD's in the mornin
[03:32] <eyegore> existance: the debugging is a little more accurate
[03:32] <VR_> yes
[03:32] <NickGarvey> AJR11: ooo mine should be here any day..
[03:32] <existance> eyegore, command-line?
[03:32] <nickrud> VR_, yeah, I hope someone gets a shipit soon ...
[03:32] <DonL> me too. Somehow the self burned ones don't quite match
[03:32] <AJR11> NickGarvey you will enjoy
[03:33] <AJR11> right im off to sleep its 2.32am here so so tired
[03:33] <eyegore> I can paste the files easier that way
[03:33] <NickGarvey> AJR11: night ;)
[03:33] <AJR11> NickGarvey Nite m8
[03:33] <wlach> are there any logs/diagnostics I should attach when reporting a system lockup bug, besides the last few entries in /var/syslog?
[03:33] <existance> eyegore, I can understand why it would be.  I've been working with SOAP lately, and it's error/debugging is completely worthless
[03:33] <VR_> the self-burned ones are always corrupted or they don't work as well on old machines
[03:33] <harry> is there a macromedia Software Packages for Ubuntu. example like Flash???
[03:33] <NickGarvey> !flash > harry
[03:33] <eyegore> that is whi I like CLI
[03:33] <ardchoille> VR_: you can log into your shipit account and see the status of your order. I just looked at mine and it says they are on the way
[03:33] <nickrud> DonL, yes that can, just do the verify stuff: http:wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[03:34] <skavenge> man i wish i could get crystal cursors working
[03:34] <Geoffrey2> has anyone ever used Clam AV?
[03:34] <VR_> ardchoille: yeah, that has been the case with me since may 24th. it says, "sent to shipping company"
[03:34] <DonL> VR_: Problem is, all the ones I've requested don't come. I got the first batch (Warty) and everything I've asked for since doesn't materialize.
[03:34] <lastnode> how can i enable spellchecking in OOo2 on dapper?
[03:34] <harry> NickGarvey: yes
[03:34] <harry> NickGarvey: Macromedia Flash
[03:34] <VR_> DonL: i ordered breezy and got those. never ordered warty
[03:34] <farous> dli: one last question any idea why having to logical partiton with two linux dist caused lots of file sys error. seems to be unstable and nodes for files seem to be broken more often?
[03:34] <lastnode> the spell checker wont find even basic mistakes
[03:34] <crogue5> does the alternate CD allow you to choose the packages to you want on install?
[03:35] <crogue5> like the desktop one installs what it wants...
[03:35] <NickGarvey> harry: did you get the PM?
[03:35] <nickrud> skavenge, heh. A really obscure thing, and a well written support page would be welcome :)
[03:35] <Angel_Dex> nickrud wow ><! i needs to upgrade 65 things to install
[03:35] <dli> farous, nothing todo with primary or not
[03:35] <harry> NickGarvey: From Ubotu??? yes
[03:35] <DonL> VR_: Yeah. Don't know what happened. I'm on broadband, so it's no biggy, but it's nice to have the factory ones to give out.
[03:35] <ardchoille> VR_: I ordered and received Breezy CD's. I have also ordered CD's for Dapper and am waiting for them. I plan to build 10 new computers, install Breezy and donate them to friends :)
[03:36] <ardchoille> oops, I meant install Dapper
[03:36] <cef> I've got a machine with 2 nics in it, and if eth0 is plugged in at boot, everything works as expected. if eth0 isn't plugged in at boot, then eth1 gets recognised as eth2 (HUH?) and eth1 doesn't exist. any ideas?
[03:36] <qmx> dli: hey, go slow
[03:36] <skavenge> nickrud ; yeah something tells me gnome's mouse settings are overriding it but google is hopeless on the subject, seems easy in kde but i see no docs for gnome ;/ oh well
[03:36] <VR_> ardchoille: why dont you install dapper on those?
[03:36] <farous> dli: that is what i was getting at. so what might cause that. i checked that each partition start at the start of a cyl and to the end of another cyl so no unused space
[03:36] <VR_> hehe
[03:36] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, that's not an unusual situation, depending on how log it's been since you did an update. Ubuntu/Debian is why we use this for updates
[03:36] <qmx> dli: someone need to build your debs
[03:36] <qmx> theres no docs about it
[03:36] <DonL> ardchoille: I'd like to get a bunch of old computers, put Ubuntu on them and donate them to schools. I wonder if they'd accept them?
[03:36] <Angel_Dex> nickrud no its just cuz im on breezy and im installing dapper things
[03:36] <VR_> when is that ubuntu book coming out?
[03:37] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, I will from now until you go dapper, cross my fingers at you :)
[03:37] <Usunny> ubuntu-book ?
[03:37] <jeeves_Moss> VR_:  there was a pre-release on the net somewhere.
[03:37] <snoops> I'd say they definitely would DonL.. nice idea.. I commend ya :)
[03:37] <VR_> ah i see
[03:37] <Angel_Dex> nickrud I escared TT_TT i maybe no not do it ><
[03:37] <DonL> snoops: Thanks. I would hope so
[03:37] <ardchoille> DonL: They most likely will, that's what I do every month.. I get computers that people no longer want, install the latest Ubuntu, then donate them. I have provided 117 computers that way in the past year
[03:37] <harry> NickGarvey: I mean the an application that will create flash animations
[03:37] <klees> what's the best p2p linux program out there??
[03:37] <farous> dli: i even checked the harddisk for defects and it came up clean
[03:38] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, heh. See you when.
[03:38] <klees> for mp3s
[03:38] <nalioth> ardchoille: and you are blessed for your work
[03:38] <snoops> DonL best bet is to call up a few schools and see what their it department is like
[03:38] <cArNaGe`> azuerus
[03:38] <DonL> ardchoille: Wow! Well done!
[03:38] <VR_> here it is > http://www.phptr.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0132435942&rl=1
[03:38] <Angel_Dex> nickrud maybe make a beater box to try this out on?
[03:38] <NickGarvey> harry: oh boy.. um good luck, no idea
[03:38] <skavenge> klees; i like limewire myself
[03:38] <klees> azuerus = torrent???
[03:38] <ardchoille> nalioth: :)
[03:38] <ardchoille> DonL: Thanks
[03:38] <nickrud> Angel_Dex, sounds like a plan. And ardchoille had a plan :)
[03:38] <cArNaGe`> yes  its a torrent
[03:38] <Flawless> wasabi: thanks for the help
[03:39] <Flawless> wasabi: I'm going to bed now - did you discover any nfs tricks?
[03:39] <klees> besides limewire any other good p2p?
[03:39] <nickrud> my nickserv password is suquamish. grab it, who cares?
[03:39] <farous> klees: there are a lot check at help.ubuntu.com or packages.ubuntu.com
[03:39] <nickrud> klees, amule, frostwire
[03:39] <ardchoille> nickrud: you live in NW USA?
[03:40] <nickrud> ardchoille, currently not, but I'm from seattle area
[03:40] <klees> im looking for suggestions.....  thx nickrud
[03:40] <snoops> this is more a question to pose to google klees.. linux philosophy is more about free as in freedom, not free as in allowing to pirate copyrighted material ;P
[03:40] <farous> klees: heared nicotine is ok
[03:40] <ardchoille> nickrud: hehe, small world.. I live in Seattle right now.. Northgate area :)
[03:40] <DonL> ardchoille: I'm just north of you across the border and left into the ocean a bit
[03:41] <ardchoille> DonL: :)
[03:41] <nickrud> ardchoille, yah, I lived around greenlake back then
[03:41] <kditty> ive got a question... if i did a few installs trying to repair ubuntu, and it installed on an internal drive other than the one im using right now(hda) and the drive is HDD... would it be ok to format, or just delete all the files to get rid of the 2gigs of files that are on that drive? or would that mess up my ubuntu and grub loader?
[03:42] <wasabi> Flawless: no sorry
[03:42] <ardchoille> OK, it's been fun. But, I gotta go for now. Be back soon :)
[03:42] <DonL> Gotta go help my wife with dinner. Good chatting to you!
[03:42] <singo> okay
[03:42] <Flawless> wasabi: no worry, I'll probably just ... well I don't know what exactly, but I probably HAVE to do this at some point :)
[03:43] <cef> Problem: 2 nics. If first nic is plugged in at boot, second nic becomes eth1 (all good). If first nic isn't plugged in at boot, second nic becomes eth2. Anyone know how to stop this from happening?
[03:43] <Flawless> !ifrename
[03:43] <ubotu> I know nothing about ifrename
[03:43] <Flawless> cef: well, google ifrename :)
[03:44] <Flawless> cef: it keeps your network names consistent using MAC addresses
[03:44] <Angel_Dex> how do i boot without hotplug
[03:44] <var> Recovering drug addict and right-wing radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh has been detained at Palm Beach International Airport upon his return from the Dominican Republic. WFOR (cbs4.com) is reporting that the detainment is for possible illegal possession of presecription drugs, including Viagra.
[03:44] <cef> Flawless: based on mac addresses? ah.. that could be an issue. I have to change the mac address on these devices on occasion
[03:45] <Ro1> whatgood computer rooms are there on this server
[03:45] <Flawless> cef: well, look into it. I think it might work if you have a static IP on just the one (or even if you just cycle between a fe)
[03:45] <Angel_Dex> how do i boot without hotplug
[03:45] <nickrud> var, tell me it's true
[03:45] <Flawless> few*
[03:45] <nickrud> var, on off-topic
[03:45] <snoops> in what area Ro1?
[03:45] <ToHellWithGA> how can i get apache2 to auto-start?
[03:45] <cef> Flawless: looking into it
[03:45] <Ro1> computers
[03:45] <eyegore> I always knew Rush Limbaugh wass a reactionary limp dick
[03:46] <snoops> ..that's every room on freenode Ro1
[03:46] <NickGarvey> ..
[03:46] <Ro1> ah , but i found one for marijuana
[03:46] <Ro1> lol
[03:46] <NickGarvey> eyegore: careful.. what you say...
[03:46] <DaveyJ> whats a good video editor?
[03:46] <eyegore> GM medical benifits paid out 17 million for ED
[03:46] <Angel_Dex> anyone?
[03:47] <pppoe_dude> is it safe to "lock" the version of "linux-image" "linux-restricted-modules" and "update-manager" on a breezy install?
[03:47] <witless> hello.  i'm trying to install a python package, and i get these errors
[03:47] <witless> :  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16589
[03:47] <witless> can anyone tell what i'm missing?
[03:47] <Angel_Dex> !hotplug
[03:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about hotplug
[03:48] <Angel_Dex> !info hotplug
[03:48] <ubotu> Package hotplug does not exist in dapper
[03:48] <witless> (i'm installing from cheeseshop with easy_install btw)
[03:48] <eyegore> does that mean GM is a bunch of atrophied male genetalia
[03:48] <var> nickrud: its not joke
[03:48] <var> no*
[03:48] <cef> Flawless: aha! you can assign the networks by driver name. yay!
[03:49] <nickrud> var, ?
[03:49] <someothernick> Is there a wiki for getting a scanner to work with ubuntu
[03:49] <Flawless> cef: yep, there are tricks available
[03:49] <ToHellWithGA> DaveyJ: virtualdub is alright
[03:49] <CokeNCode> how do i install noip2 on ubuntu
[03:49] <CokeNCode> i thought i could use apt-get
[03:50] <pppoe_dude> oh and why does apt sometimes tell you "the following packages have been kept back" but synaptic wont?
[03:50] <DaveyJ> for linux
[03:50] <DaveyJ> =P
[03:51] <wasabi> pppoe_dude: apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:51] <cef> Flawless: ahh.. cool.. all done. thanks
[03:51] <pppoe_dude> wasabi, no i just want to make sure it never installs them by accident
[03:51] <Flawless> cef: np
[03:51] <wasabi> synaptic uses dist-upgrade by default, which allows apt to consider removing packages to fulfil dependencies.
[03:52] <pppoe_dude> i.e. can i guarantee that everytime i do an apt-get upgrade these packages will be kept
[03:52] <wasabi> apt-get upgrade doesn't allow removing, which can prevent some new packages from being installed.
[03:52] <pppoe_dude> wasabi, oh i see... but linux-image doesnt require package removal
[03:52] <tich> how do i alter the icon placement on the desktop? my icons are currently being placed (unfunctionally) under my top panel.
[03:52] <pppoe_dude> and it was kept back
[03:53] <wasabi> It was kept back because something it depended on couldn't be installed.
[03:53] <wasabi> Because THAT conflicted with something that could be removed.
[03:53] <pppoe_dude> i see
[03:53] <pppoe_dude> well... its safe to just keep the old kernel right?
[03:53] <wasabi> Sure.
[03:53] <wasabi> Check the reason for the upgrade.
[03:53] <wasabi> security upgrade, etc.
[03:53] <pppoe_dude> wasabi, i also locked the versions in 'synaptic'... would that also lock them in apt-get?
[03:53] <pppoe_dude> wasabi, how do i do that?
[03:53] <wasabi> Yes.
[03:54] <wasabi> synaptic should lsit the change log.
[03:54] <nikki> hello
[03:54] <wasabi> hm... apt-listchanges used to be around too, for the console.
[03:54] <pppoe_dude> wasabi, ok thanks
[03:54] <wasabi> I'm not sure if it's still functional though.
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> wasabi, ya according to the change log they['re all 'low urgency' updates that i probably dont need
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> n e way, thank
[03:56] <pppoe_dude> s
[03:57] <pppoe_dude> what about 'update-manager'... do i need to update that? (im on breezy - and its also been kept back)
[03:57] <wasabi> Depends. YOu'll have to examine the reasons.
[03:57] <Jake> Hey, will anyone please help me with installer crash?
[03:58] <AussieGuus> quick q, i burnt 2 cds, one desktop one alternative, cant remember which disc is which and the label is the same when they're mounted, the desktop/livecd is the one with casper on it right?
[03:58] <wasabi> AussieGuus: correct.
[03:58] <AussieGuus> thanx
[03:58] <pppoe_dude> k i think breezy is stable enough like this....
[03:59] <skavenge> how can i find where a package has been installed to? anyway?
[03:59] <Flawless> skavenge: dpkg -L <packagename>
[03:59] <Flawless> skavenge: to find out what program files you have from a package, do dpkg -L <package> | grep /bin/
[04:00] <twitch> i just got dapper not even five minutes ago
[04:00] <Jake> I tried to install 6.06 from the live cd, but it crashed at python... Is this a known bug?
[04:00] <Flawless> Jake: no, it's not supposed to do that :)
[04:00] <twitch> im having problems installing a coupel things
[04:00] <Flawless> Jake: please file a bug report
[04:00] <snoops> such as twitch?
[04:00] <Jake> Fine...
[04:00] <Flawless> Jake: it will ensure that this problem is solved soon
[04:01] <skavenge> Flawless ; ty
[04:01] <twitch> well, when i tried to install realplayer it flat out refused, said that it need xlibs but that was uninstallable
[04:01] <acid-trip> whats the uname options to find out what distro i have and that again
[04:01] <snoops> got universal repositories added and such twitch?
[04:01] <crimsun> twitch: you can install xlibs [it's an empty transitional package]  from breezy-security.
[04:01] <maddy> -a
[04:02] <crimsun> twitch: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fx%2Fxorg%2Fxlibs_6.8.2-77.1_all.deb&md5sum=5494fd607f744a9c9441fd22b9cb0042&arch=all&type=security
[04:02] <twitch> when i downloaded the .deb package for xlibs, almost all of the dependencies were broken, the one thing that apt-get tried to stop :S
[04:02] <Flawless> acid-trip: uname will give you the kernel. cat /etc/debian_version will give you the debian version (which is less useful in ubuntu)
[04:03] <Jake> Flawless: Thanks
[04:03] <Flawless> Jake: np
[04:03] <acid-trip> wb ro1
[04:03] <Ro1> thanks...hello to you too
[04:03] <Ro1> is mikem here still?
[04:04] <acid-trip> i dunno
[04:04] <Ro1> ok
[04:04] <twitch> hmm that time xlibs installed just fine, thanks for that btw, ill try realplayer again
[04:05] <twitch> this may sound random but i just gotta say i love the sense of community that comes with being a linux user
[04:05] <witless> can anyone tell why i can't get this python package installed on dapper:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/16589  <-- error messages
[04:05] <snoops> nah, it's great heh.. feels like the old amiga days
[04:05] <Ro1> linux users rock (all of us)
[04:06] <maddy> how do i run .run file?
[04:06] <twitch> realplayer just installed fine, thanks alot to everyone...  i think that dapper and i will get along just fine :P
[04:06] <Flawless> maddy: usually with /bin/sh.
[04:06] <NickGarvey> maddy: chmod +x file.run
[04:06] <NickGarvey> maddy: ./file.run
[04:06] <Flippy209> ic56 you around?
[04:06] <Flawless> maddy: use file -Ls foo.run to get an idea what type it is
[04:06] <snoops> got an nvidia graphics card twitch?
[04:06] <kditty> how do i format a hard disk?
[04:06] <Ro1> kditty-install
[04:07] <Ro1> oh wait, nvrmnd
[04:07] <nickrud> snoops, heh. pre amiga, the atari days
[04:07] <kditty> i have two hard disks and both have linux folders on them
[04:07] <snoops> I was too young then nickrud :)
[04:07] <twitch> everyone i just found this video and i think every Linux user should see it. makes you proud
[04:07] <twitch> (must have flash player)
[04:08] <Ro1> whers it at twitch?
[04:08] <nickrud> snoops, the attitude is the same
[04:08] <twitch> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3182711082396344549&q=linux
[04:08] <Ro1> i'm going there now twitch
[04:08] <twitch> enjoy
[04:08] <twitch> i sure did :)
[04:08] <snoops> isn't that rionic twitch? flash support on linux is the reason I don't use it as a desktop fulltime :(
[04:08] <snoops> ironic*
[04:08] <Flawless> snoops: what's wrong with flash support?
[04:08] <twitch> snoops, yes whats wrong?
[04:08] <Flawless> snoops: you on amd64?
[04:09] <snoops> yes on amd64.. flash 7 for 32bit is a joke
[04:09] <snoops> I'm a fulltime web developer.. we need to use the latest flash at work and such
[04:09] <bimberi> witless: installed build-essential?  if not, do that and retry
[04:09] <NickGarvey> I run 64 bit suse and flash is good
[04:09] <NickGarvey> snoops: ah that sucks
[04:09] <twitch> snoops, many websites are taking off WMP and switching to flash now, good for them i say, the internet is finally slipping out of M$'s pocket
[04:10] <Flawless> WMP is a horrible hack
[04:10] <nickrud> maybe macromedia will come thru on 9, I hear the claim they wil
[04:10] <snoops> I hate adobe for flash..
[04:10] <Flawless> but flash is another horrible hack :(
[04:10] <snoops> they refuse to release the damn api
[04:10] <NickGarvey> nickrud: yeah, I heard they will too
[04:10] <nickrud> flash is is flash, a nice thing for what it is.
[04:10] <Ro1> dang, firefox is being retarted for the plugin
[04:11] <twitch> Ro1, yeah it does that sometimes
[04:11] <snoops> flash 7 also has av sync issues and is just plain terrible to use.. issues with getting sound to work and everything
[04:11] <Ro1> it's "twitch"n
[04:11] <twitch> Ro1, :P
[04:11] <marc> How can I get my web cam to work with instant msging
[04:11] <Geoffrey2> big problem with Flash, obviously, is that soo many sites are using Flash 8....and obviously on Linux that's just not happening
[04:11] <twitch> marc, what client?
[04:12] <Mewshi> how do i FORCE a package to install?
[04:12] <witless> bimberi: thanks, trying it now
[04:12] <twitch> anyone watch that video?
[04:12] <nickrud> Mewshi, in what context?
[04:13] <nickrud> Mewshi, there are various force options, but they are the last resort
[04:13] <virtualchaos> if i started a background process from an ssh shell, any way for me to foreground it on the physical computer?
[04:13] <Ro1> i'm giving up on watching it.
[04:13] <virtualchaos> jobs says there are none
[04:13] <Ro1> dumb plugin
[04:13] <snoops> because they'd be mad to write the same thing in flash 7 because of the bugs Geoffrey2.. just blame adobe for not releasing the specs for the player.. because they give it away for free anyway, and make money from selling the software to create it.. hell at least adobe released the pdf spec
[04:13] <twitch> Ro1, having problems with Flash?
[04:13] <DShepherd> what does the syntax for the /etc/sudoers file for nopassword again?
[04:14] <KBlair> In the Ubuntu store, I wonder how many Ubuntu Classic Thongs accually sell. :P
[04:14] <snoops> twitch if you feel adventurous you should have about xgl and compiz.. I've been using it on dapper for about 3 weeks now, and just so happy with it
[04:14] <MTecknology> I'm installing Fedora Core 5 on VMWare Server... it froze trying to install pam - what do I do?
[04:14] <snoops> have a read about*..
[04:14] <Geoffrey2> snoops, that's the part that confuses me...Adobe provides a full linux implementation of Adobe Reader....so what would be the holdup on doing the same for the latest version of Flash?
[04:15] <nickrud> snoops, and what will you do, when ubuntu switches to aiglx :)
[04:15] <twitch> snoops, xgl... is that the "UI mod"
[04:15] <twitch> for lack of a better term?
[04:15] <marc> twitch, i am using gaim with msn or yahoo.
[04:15] <nickrud> xgl was fun, but
[04:15] <snoops> they are switching to it nickrud?
[04:15] <nickrud> snoops, yes
[04:15] <marc> twitch, id be willing to change messaging programs, though I do like the spell check feature of gaim
[04:16] <Mewshi> from the command line
[04:16] <twitch> marc, does your cam have any software included?
[04:16] <snoops> it's an open gl accellorated server layer for xorg twitch.. compiz is the eye candy using opengl to do fun things with windows and whatnot
[04:16] <nickrud> snoops, erm, as best as an outsider who got checked by an insider can say
[04:16] <twitch> snoops, im checking it out now
[04:16] <Geoffrey2> ok, I'll ask one last time for tonight....has anyone here used Clam AV?
[04:16] <snoops> I'm pretty unfamiliar with aiglx.. does it use compiz on top?
[04:17] <twitch> snoops, where can i download xgl?
[04:17] <witless> bimberi: that did it - thank you
[04:17] <bimberi> witless: np :)
[04:17] <snoops> you'd want a guide.. it's in alpha still twitch.. so expect crashes
[04:17] <nickrud> bimberi, do you have any insights on aiglx :)
[04:18] <sic> ubuntu dapper drake x86 on amd, cannot get a file listing on DVDs, even in command line.  It can read burned DVDs but not discs like quake 4 or movie dvds (which play just fine in mplayer) I am at a loss, any suggestions?
[04:18] <bimberi> nickrud: nope, sorry - in fact i'd not seen the term until just now :)
[04:19] <CrazyDoode> hmm
[04:19] <NickGarvey> twitch: eek that commercial gave me chills
[04:19] <nickrud> bimberi, it's the 3d open gl pretty stuff, in edgy supposedly. Something to watch
[04:19] <marc> twitch, yes, but the softwear is for windows only.   Paris Hilton... god forbid... has made a music video
[04:22] <twitch> her voice has been through so many machines, she cant even claim ownership
[04:22] <nickrud> even with nntp variablity taken into account
[04:22] <marc> tiwtch, hello?
[04:22] <NickGarvey> nickrud: IBM is wrong then!  "The Linux operating system is being embraced by companies everywhere. click the image above to learn more about the business benefits, explosive growth, and colorful history of this 9-year-old wonder."
[04:23] <sic> no takers on my DVD issue? pretty simple problem I guess...put a DVD, like Quake 4 for instance, the little DVD icon pops up on the desktop, you dbl click it and a blank window opens, no files viewable...put a burned dvd in and it sees all the files no prob...suggestion?
[04:23] <Ro1> for some reason i cant hear the google video
[04:23] <marc> twitch, hello?  softwear only for windows, its a logitec quickcam communicate stx
[04:23] <nickrud> NickGarvey, look for linus's inital post; it's out there on the net, I think it was late 91? 92?
[04:24] <NickGarvey> nickrud: lemme check
[04:24] <NickGarvey> 1991
[04:24] <NickGarvey> nickrud:  very odd
[04:24] <NickGarvey> nickrud: ah! 1.0 is 9 years old
[04:24] <nickrud> heh, ibm's thing was written by a drone
[04:24] <Ro1> anyone know why i aint got sound in the linux google video
[04:24] <nickrud> oh, 1.0,
[04:25] <paradizelost> hey, can anyone help me enable LFS in apache on dapper?
[04:25] <acid-trip> Ro1, you got win32codecs?
[04:25] <Ro1> not sure
[04:25] <acid-trip> can u see the video?
[04:25] <Ro1> yeah
[04:26] <twitch> marc, sorry about that, im not sure what to do with that cam.. could always try wine?
[04:26] <Jerr> because flash in linux kinda sucks
[04:26] <acid-trip> ok the video is a wmv
[04:26] <thrice`> I don't understand why gnome 2.14.2 was included as an update to dapper
[04:26] <acid-trip> you got mplayer?
[04:26] <xenex> How do I refresh my icons? My trash icon is currently the blue trash icon when it is supposed to be the orange one.
[04:26] <Ro1> nope
[04:26] <Ro1> i got some other palyers
[04:26] <Geoffrey2> yep, I keep forgetting...Linux users don't believe in Anti-Virus software.....
[04:26] <acid-trip> install mplayer
[04:26] <Jerr> google video is in flash
[04:26] <acid-trip> then download the video and watch it
[04:26] <Ro1> ok
[04:26] <Madpilot> Geoffrey2, we just don't see the point it in :)
[04:27] <Flawless[off] > Geoffrey2: if you can explain why it is needed, I'll personally use it righta way :)
[04:27] <Flawless[off] > and yes, I really AM going to bed.. :)
[04:27] <snoops> I don't use any anti-virus software for my windows machines either Geoffrey2.. All about experience really
[04:27] <bjv> i have linux-image-k7 installed, so when a new 386 kernel is added, i get the k7 opt too.
[04:27] <nickrud> life calls, brb
[04:27] <bjv> but
[04:28] <sic> can anyone give me a hand with a DVD drive problem?
[04:28] <bjv> but when i get a new kernel and k7 with apt-get dist-upgrade, im left with a whole pile of other old kernels! ~_~
[04:28] <Ro1> i'm gonna attempt to get mplayer now
[04:28] <bjv> what am i supposed to do? id like to get rid of them _cleanly
[04:28] <bjv> but they are eating up all of my hd space. :\
[04:28] <Geoffrey2> snoops, well, then the Linux community had a decision to make....do they REALLY want Linux to become a mainstream operating system or not?
[04:28] <snoops> kernels don't take up much space bjv
[04:29] <Flawless[off] > bjv: dpkg -l | grep linux-image, choose which you want to delete. dpkg -P <those>
[04:29] <hav0k> no printers show up when i go to add a printer, under the printer driver step, has anyone else had this problem?
[04:29] <userundefine> bjv, you can uninstall them in Synaptic cleanly.
[04:29] <Flawless[off] > Geoffrey2: what are you on about?
[04:29] <snoops> Geoffrey2 I think half do, and the other half secretly want to keep it for the people in the know for fear of it becoming too dumbed down :)
[04:29] <zorplex> Is there some hidden setting that could disable metacity key bindings
[04:29] <acid-trip> night
[04:30] <Ro1> peace
[04:30] <bjv> will a -P purge remove the .deb from my apt cache?
[04:30] <bjv> each of those takes up another 20 precious megs. :
[04:30] <sic> thanks
[04:30] <Flawless[off] > bjv: no, but apt-get clean will do that
[04:30] <acid-trip> Ro1, did that link help you out at all?
[04:30] <bjv> ok
[04:30] <Flawless[off] > bjv: that will clean your _entire_ cache, btw
[04:30] <bjv> oh.,i dont want to do that at all.
[04:31] <bjv> (small disk on a dialup connection)
[04:31] <Flawless[off] > bjv: slow connection?
[04:31] <bjv> yes
[04:31] <Flawless[off] > then remove the packages manually from /var/cache/apt
[04:31] <fiveiron> tremulous is awesome!
[04:31] <Geoffrey2> Flawless[off] , what I'm on about is that the "average" computer user isn't anywhere near as savvy and knowledable about computer security as most in here are......and you're going to have to take them into consideration....just telling them to be smarter about security won't cut it
[04:31] <Flawless[off] > Geoffrey2: I agree - but installing anti-virus doesn't help on windows either
[04:32] <Flawless[off] > Geoffrey2: things like root-user separation and default-secure installations WILL help.
[04:32] <zorplex> uh oes, only 1 Gig left
[04:33] <omirix> I just switched to a different Linux. Where can I find the beatiful Ubuntu Human theme + Icons?
[04:33] <Jake> Is there a way to install from the live cd using terminal?
[04:33] <userundefine> Geoffrey2, OK, but what does that have to do with viruses?  In Linux, even to wipe out your /home, you need to give -x permissions to a virus.    Has nothing to do with win32
[04:34] <Ro1> oh...any idea why the sound aint working
[04:34] <omirix> I just switched to a different Linux. Where can I find the beatiful Ubuntu Human theme + Icons?
[04:34] <Jake> Ro1: Are you on kubuntu?
[04:34] <userundefine> Ro1, some kind of issue with flash right now.  I know an older ubuntu installation of mine has flash with sound working.  I haven't looked too deeply into the package myself.
[04:34] <Ro1> ubuntu dapper
[04:35] <Jake> nvm
[04:35] <xenex> roland-erau: I had the same problem but I just restarted my computer and it was fine.
[04:35] <Kasuko> if I wanted to put "xmodmap -e keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server" in a file and make a link to that file called fix and put it in a place so when I open terminal and type fix it does xmodmap -e keycode 22 = BackSpace BackSpace Terminate_Server. How would I go about doing that?
[04:35] <bjv> Flawless[off] : neat. -l -P and deleting by hand cleaned up nicely
[04:35] <Jake> Is there a way to install from the live cd using terminal?
[04:35] <Flawless[off] > bjv: they usually do :)
[04:36] <userundefine> Ro1, the workaround I've found to be the best is (if you're using Firefox) to get the VideoDownloader extension which will allow detect video in a page and let you download it as a file.  Then you can play it in mplayer and it works -- even on flash files.
[04:36] <bjv> i like the apt system, guess i should hit the man page more for dpkg as well, though :)
[04:36] <CokeNCode> anyone in here familiar with nubuntu
[04:36] <CokeNCode> ?
[04:36] <omirix> I just switched to a different Linux. Where can I find the beatiful Ubuntu Human theme + Icons?
[04:36] <Jake> Is there a way to install from the live cd using terminal?
[04:36] <userundefine> omirix, System > Preferences > Theme
[04:36] <Flawless[off] > Jake: yes
[04:36] <NickGarvey> !art
[04:36] <ubotu> I know nothing about art
[04:36] <NickGarvey> mm
[04:36] <userundefine> omirix, oh, sorry, the packages
[04:36] <Flawless[off] > Jake: look at the file Desktop/install
[04:36] <omirix> userundefine, yeah, i could do that if i had the human theme.
[04:37] <omirix> userundefine, np. where can i find that?
[04:37] <Flawless[off] > Jake: and see what command it runs. I can't remember the name
[04:37] <Flawless[off] > !install
[04:37] <userundefine> omirix, gnome-look.org I believe
[04:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[04:37] <omirix> userundefine, looked there. cant find the authentic version.
[04:37] <crimsun> omirix: in the ubuntu-artwork package.
[04:37] <gdb> Is anyone here using a Dell machine with the Dell Internal Business Audio speaker?
[04:37] <NickGarvey> !artwork > omirix
[04:37] <omirix> ah. okay. can i emerge that?
[04:37] <omirix> heh ty, NickGarvey
[04:37] <Ro1> gdb: nope
[04:37] <crimsun> omirix: um...probably not?
[04:37] <crimsun> omirix: grab the source and compile it
[04:38] <userundefine> omirix, if gentoo has done an ebuild of it.  Can check their forums... it's possible someone's working on it
[04:38] <omirix> mk. i just love how beautiful Human is.
[04:38] <omirix> and the icons
[04:38] <omirix> are gorgeous =P
[04:38] <gdb> My buddy and I both have Dell Optiplex GX620s and his speaker is working with Fedora Core 5 after a kernel update to 2.6.16.  Obviously, Ubuntu is using kernel 2.6.15 but I'd like to know if this is a lost cause before I give up.
[04:38] <Jake> Flawless[off] : I know, but that just re-launches the gui...
[04:38] <gdb> The sound works fine out of the front and rear panels, but the Dell Internal Business Audio Speaker does not work for me on Ubuntu.
[04:38] <Flawless[off] > Jake: Oh, I thought that's what you wanted
[04:39] <Flawless[off] > Jake: if you are experienced, you can try debootstrap
[04:39] <Jake> Flawless[off] : Argh........... ok.
[04:41] <gdb> omirix: I wish there was more variety in the wallpaper.  This could be accomplished by not removing wallpapers included in previous releases.
[04:41] <gdb> I get my wallpapers from http://www.interfacelift.com/
[04:41] <snoops> it's not hard to get more wallpapers gdb
[04:41] <wasabi> So what is the proper place to put a script to run on device removal/addition?  Basically I have a udi I want to run a script with when it's added.
[04:41] <gdb> snoops: I never indicated that it was.
[04:42] <gdb> snoops: I'm interested in more offical Ubuntu wallpapers.  This would imply that I'd like to see wallpapers included in previous releases to be carried forward into current releases.
[04:42] <snoops> well.. I doubt more wallpaper variety would be big on the release.. there are important things to work on first
[04:43] <gdb> snoops: It takes work to remove wallpapers and include new ones.  It's half the work to include new ones and not remove old ones.
[04:43] <slwyse> ello?
[04:43] <gdb> slwyse: howdy
[04:43] <blacktears> hey how well does gaim work with yahoo
[04:43] <david__> how do i change the write attribute to make my windows partitions to writeable
[04:43] <gdb> blacktears: Works just fine for me.
[04:43] <blacktears> cool thanks
[04:44] <snoops> fat32 david__?
[04:44] <userundefine> david__, you can't write to NTFS natively.  You can use NTFS captive, but apparently it can be risky.
[04:44] <slwyse> ahh  i like my gaim
[04:44] <blacktears> im starting to get used to linux im thinking of switching entirely over to it actuall
[04:44] <blacktears> *actually
[04:44] <gdb> blacktears: Good to hear!
[04:44] <slwyse> i have linux
[04:44] <gdb> blacktears: And I'm glad that Ubuntu seems to be what you're liking.
[04:44] <slwyse> yes
[04:44] <gdb> david__: That is something you'll end up regretting.
[04:45] <blacktears> well the thing is is that linux is so much easier to use than windows, if you need a program, with linux you just download it
[04:45] <david__> i thikn more people would switch to linux if it were as user friendly as windows
[04:45] <slwyse> yep
[04:45] <gdb> david__: Immediately after the kernel writes to your NTFS partition, all the data on it will either be munged or gone entirely.  So I'm not sure that's what you want to do.
[04:45] <NickGarvey> apt-get, you are my hero..
[04:45] <thenostradamus> hey, can someone help we with this Xserver error i'm getting?
[04:45] <thenostradamus> http://www.serverchimps.com/49
[04:45] <wizzard> i switched to linux today
[04:45] <wizzard> :D
[04:45] <blacktears> well im not pretending to be a software guru, im a hardware person, and installing linux, dual boot with windows was a snap
[04:45] <bruenig> blacktears, it is easier but different and also the ease of it depends on what you intend to do, if you are a huge gamer, it's not easy at all,
[04:45] <snoops> blacktears repositories rock my socks.. still, lots of little things needed for ease of use are stopping real widescreen adoption..
[04:45] <david__> oh, ok
[04:45] <userundefine> I think more people would switch if they knew that viruses and spyware and "the rest" wasn't how computing was *supposed* to be
[04:45] <tronica> wizzard, glad to here it
[04:46] <snoops> widespread* not widescreen :/
[04:46] <david__> how about i have an empty fat 32 partition, could i write to that safely?|
[04:46] <blacktears> true true
[04:46] <snoops> yep david__
[04:46] <userundefine> i think there should be more widescreen adoption too snoops ;)
[04:46] <gdb> david__: Yes, absolutely.
[04:46] <wizzard> tronica and i must say everything feels so much .. i dont know how to describe it... smother
[04:46] <nickrud> userundefine, it's about targets; if we become a big enough one ...
[04:46] <blacktears> i just think, personally that windows has brainwashed people
[04:46] <snoops> userundefine haha definitely.. I adore my widescreen
[04:46] <bruenig> david__, the fat32 is the best way to go as it is read/write supported in both OSes natively
[04:47] <gdb> I don't care for widescreens.  I don't feel like I'm getting a bigger screen that's wider, I feel like I'm getting a shorter screen that's smaller.
[04:47] <jimbo2006> Hi folks, just installed this wonderful Ubuntu. I have only 256MB RAM and I want to improve performance when many apps are open. Will installing a smaller window manager make more RAM free? If so, what window manager do you recommend?
[04:47] <tronica> wizzard, you mean not restrictive :D
[04:47] <david__> i was using rh8 a couple years ago and i was able to write to fat 16 with no problem should a make my fat 32 16?
[04:47] <bruenig> jimbo2006, yes try fluxbox
[04:47] <mog> hi guys; how would i start an ssh server?
[04:47] <nickrud> jimbo2006, xfce  is nice
[04:47] <wizzard> tronica :D
[04:47] <jimbo2006> thanks bruenig
[04:47] <n08l3v1rk> hello everybody
[04:47] <jimbo2006> and thanks nickrud
[04:47] <n08l3v1rk> is there any way to upgrade from ubuntu 5.04 to 6.06
[04:47] <userundefine> nickrud, not necessarily.  The *nix system is built from the ground up with security and multiple users in mind.  It's far more difficult to attack *nix
[04:47] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell mog about ssh
[04:48] <wizzard> Someone here have experience with Wine ?   Whether or not they hit the target..
[04:48] <bruenig> no7l3v1rk sudo dist-upgrade
[04:48] <blacktears> if you arent a gamer that is\
[04:48] <mog> ubotu?
[04:48] <david__> I read around and found automatix, and that fixed it
[04:48] <mog> !ssh
[04:48] <ubotu> ssh is the Secure SHell protocol (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SSHHowto). Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows, which can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[04:48] <snoops> gdb my 24" widescreen would have to disagree with your shorter screen that's smaller philosophy :)
[04:48] <nickrud> userundefine, but you point is relevant. Just luckily, not a mass target yet
[04:48] <chip42> gdb: thats kind of funny. when i first got this widescreen laptop, normal computer monitors looked small, just because of the more squarish dimensions. pschological of course.. the laptop screen is in reality smaller
[04:48] <n08l3v1rk> bruenig:no go
[04:49] <n08l3v1rk> it says 0 upgraded 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[04:49] <HLM> had legal copy of Vista Beta 2 on my test box and removed it after 10 minutes of use.   I'd rather have a normal dimention 24" than a widescreen 24".  But obviously, there are many different flavors of tea in the world for everyone's individual cups. ;-)
[04:49] <thenostradamus> n08l3v1rk, change your sources in /etc/apt/sources.list**
[04:49] <wizzard> Someone here that use Wine ?
[04:50] <snoops> how's the dynamic searches and save search queries system HLM?
[04:50] <Ro1> i use wine
[04:50] <nickrud> HLM, as a user of linux, you gave vista no useful use
[04:50] <n08l3v1rk> hmm.. how to update the sources in sources.list
[04:50] <Geoffrey2> david__, to the best of my knowledge, Ubuntu can read and write to FAT32 just fine...it's only NTFS that's a problem at present
[04:50] <wizzard> Rol, how do i use it? :D I just cant figure it out
[04:50] <thenostradamus> n08l3v1rk, u don't update them, u change them
[04:50] <thenostradamus> to dapper
[04:50] <bruenig> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:50] <userundefine> n08l3v1rk, in a terminal, type "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" - no quotes
[04:50] <HLM> last good version of windows was 3.11
[04:50] <n08l3v1rk> ok
[04:50] <n08l3v1rk> what next
[04:50] <nickrud> HLM, heh
[04:51] <Ro1> na...my favorite winows was 98se
[04:51] <david__> the write properties on my fat32 partition are turned  off
[04:51] <Ro1> that rocked
[04:51] <Ro1> like only 3 running processes lol
[04:51] <snoops> gdb I believe the largest 4:3 monitor available these days is 21".. everything above that is 16:10 (for pc monitors)
[04:51] <userundefine> Yeah, bsods every hour rocked
[04:51] <Ro1> OH YEAHHH right on userundefined
[04:51] <n08l3v1rk> it says 3 different group of URLs
[04:51] <Geoffrey2> HLM, surely you haven't forgotten the General?
[04:51] <n08l3v1rk> so do i need to update all of them
[04:51] <n08l3v1rk> ?
[04:51] <HLM> 98se was just win95 with IE4 inbeded
[04:51] <gdb> snoops: Ah, ok.  I was just asking my friend, his 24" is also a widescreen.
[04:52] <gdb> snoops: All my LCDs are 19"
[04:52] <Ro1> i made a BSOD screensaver...so when my dad tried to use my laptop, he well would be like WTH!
[04:52] <blacktears> so whats everybodys favorite linux distribution?
[04:52] <gdb> And normal ratio.
[04:52] <Ro1> UBUNTU!!!!
[04:52] <userundefine> Ro1, lol
[04:52] <n08l3v1rk> if possible, please guide me where to find them >
[04:52] <n08l3v1rk> ?
[04:52] <jimbo2006> Apart from Ubuntu Mepis is nice
[04:52] <Ro1> anyone read 1337 hax0r handb00k
[04:52] <tronica> blacktears, ubuntu, slackware
[04:52] <nickrud> bsod's were for idiot users, you coull\d always avoid them in the old windows
[04:52] <Ro1> bsod's are great fun
[04:52] <userundefine> I was 12 at the time... definitely a idiot user
[04:53] <thenostradamus> n08l3v1rk, wherever it says breezy or w/e distribution ur using, replace it with dapper
[04:53] <snoops> blacktears there are other distributions? ;)
[04:53] <Ro1> heheh, at the time i got windows i think i was 9....now i more experienced (non windoze user anymore :)
[04:53] <blacktears> slackware?
[04:53] <nickrud> userundefine, heh. I was much older then,
[04:53] <thenostradamus> then save and close and do an apt-get update
[04:53] <Ro1> now i'm 14
[04:53] <thenostradamus> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:53] <blacktears> what tis dis?
[04:53] <chip42> snoops: i suppose it does. i don't know how i got by without stacking full size windows next to each other..
[04:53] <Ro1> anyone ever read Linux Torvalds book, "Just For Fun"?
[04:54] <thompa> i lost my sound somehow. ive restarted in alsa, now back to auto
[04:54] <nickrud> Ro1, but I like the title
[04:54] <Ro1> i at first thought i'd be boring...but it keeps me very itnerestied
[04:54] <Ro1> its not boring book at all
[04:54] <HLM> if windows is so good why does microsoft use linux servers for all their updates
[04:54] <dibblego> my /usr/bin/gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders executable is causing a segmentation fault - I have opened a bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/50836 - but I am not sure if there is anything more I can do - it is quite crippling, I can't install or use a lot of software
[04:54] <Ro1> HLM; good question
[04:54] <thompa> system sound work, seems real player problem
[04:54] <userundefine> HLM, never heard they do
[04:55] <nickrud> HLM, that's fud
[04:55] <blacktears> what is slackware?
[04:55] <Ro1> a linux distro
[04:55] <chip42> Ro1: thats an autobiography of sorts?
[04:55] <Ro1> !slackware
[04:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about slackware
[04:55] <Ro1> chip42. yes
[04:55] <dibblego> !developers
[04:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about developers
[04:55] <HLM> been that way since blaster and sasser hit them
[04:55] <thompa> i have to reinstall real player to get streaming audio
[04:55] <tronica> http://www.slackware.com/
[04:55] <dibblego> what's the ubuntu developers channel?
[04:55] <snoops> HLM that's a silly argument though.. what's good for the server doesn't mean is good for the desktop.. The desktop just happens to be ms's main market
[04:55] <nickrud> blacktears, a very fine distro of linux, but it requires a lot from the user
[04:56] <HLM> ok
[04:56] <NickGarvey> dibblego: ubuntu-dev I think
[04:56] <Ro1> i think the develpopers channle is #ubuntu+1
[04:56] <NickGarvey> dibblego: nope ;)
[04:56] <nickrud> #ubuntu-dev
[04:56] <Ro1> ah...sounds better nickrud
[04:56] <bruenig> #ubuntu+1 is edge eft
[04:56] <Ro1> yeah...well edge is in develpment
[04:56] <bruenig> semantics
[04:57] <nickrud> edgy eft, something to ignore till september
[04:57] <thompa> ok i have to start real player before firefox that sucks
[04:57] <NickGarvey> nickrud: thats not it
[04:57] <HLM> tried FreeSuse 10.1 and really did not care for it
[04:57] <Ro1> fuzzy fox......guilty giraffe.....huggable hippo....those will be next distros, lol
[04:57] <NickGarvey> HLM: openuses ou mean?
[04:57] <NickGarvey> wow that was horrible
[04:57] <bruenig> if edgy eft has full support for 32 bit on 64 bit like they said, it will be the greatest OS ever
[04:57] <thompa> !realplayer
[04:57] <NickGarvey> HLM: opensuse you mean?
[04:57] <nickrud> #ubuntu-devel NickGarvey
[04:57] <ubotu> For lots of multimedia issues this page has the useful information you want: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  see also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - Please use free formats: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:57] <tronica> HLM, did you use smart
[04:57] <chip42> NickGarvey: lol. i understood it immediately though
[04:57] <NickGarvey> ;)
[04:58] <HLM> brb
[04:58] <NickGarvey> HLM: smart makes it so much better (running opensuse 10.1 now ;))
[04:58] <varsendagger> !nvidia
[04:58] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your monitor, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:58] <tys> !vim7
[04:58] <ubotu> I know nothing about vim7
[04:58] <Ro1> if anyone is short of questions....wanna have a small browser war (nothing mean though)
[04:58] <blacktears> so when you install slackware do you have a gui or not?
[04:58] <ToHellWithGA> i installed apache and apache perl and apache ssl b/c i thought that would be what i needed for a webserver then realized i only needed apache2
[04:59] <tronica> blacktears, no
[04:59] <blacktears> that sucks
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> after removing all but apache2 with apt-get remove --purge, rc still tries to start apache-perl and apache-ssl
[04:59] <tys> does somebody have a HOWTO for installing vim7
[04:59] <tronica> blacktears, go to osdir and look at the screenshot gallery for slackware
[04:59] <Ro1> tys: maybe i can find one
[04:59] <blacktears> ok
[04:59] <ToHellWithGA> could somebody help me clear everything that isn't apache2 from my computer so apache2 will actually start at startup?
[05:00] <HLM> will maybe try open suse again with smart
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> *everything apache-related that isn't apache2
[05:00] <thenostradamus> ToHellWithGA, find /* | grep apache
[05:00] <dr_willis> tys,  i just followed the docs on the vim page and used the SVN version.
[05:00] <ali> hi can i install ipcop on ubuntu breezy or dapper ?
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> thenostradamus: but i need to remove the references as well
[05:00] <dr_willis> not that i needed vim7 :)
[05:00] <tronica> HLM, yast just hung there and never worked for me
[05:00] <Ro1> TYM: try this http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1473
[05:00] <ali> or is it a linux by it self
[05:00] <ali>  ?
[05:00] <ToHellWithGA> would simply removing the files in my rcX.d directories solve the problem?
[05:00] <blacktears> where is it?
[05:01] <tronica> blacktears, hld on
[05:01] <HLM> i know... yast did the same to me
[05:01] <userundefine> ali, from what I understand IPCop is a firewall distro.
[05:01] <dibblego> is there something that will create an ISO from a CD?
[05:01] <twitch> dibblego, many things
[05:01] <blacktears> ty
[05:01] <tronica> blacktears, http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=437&slide=48&title=slackware+linux+10.2+screenshots
[05:01] <dibblego> twitch, can you recommend one?
[05:01] <sloncho> hi. dapper, mplayer. how to make cyrillic (cp1251) subs to be displayed? tried different options (subcp, subfontencoding) ... no help. w/o options it displays substituted characters (cyr), with any option - only underscores.
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> sloncho: what language?
[05:02] <nickrud> dibblego, dd if=/dev/cdrom (or equiv) of=iso.iso bs=1024
[05:02] <tys> dr_willis: do you have some url?
[05:02] <marc> How do I use Wine?
[05:02] <sloncho> ToHellWithGA: BG
[05:02] <thompa> you still cant listen to bbc in ubuntu easily
[05:02] <NickGarvey> !wine > marc
[05:02] <twitch> dibblego, well im going to assume that your using ubuntu considering the channel that your in right now so try looking an app in SPM
[05:02] <sloncho> ToHellWithGA: bulgarian. this works OK under suse
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> sloncho: perhaps people in the channel for Russian or some other cyrillic language could help.  this is the English channel so few people here would use cyrillic
[05:02] <snoops> bs=1024 only takes the first 1024bytes doesn't it nickrud?
[05:02] <ToHellWithGA> !russian
[05:02] <ubotu> I know nothing about russian
[05:02] <thompa> it only works with real player: streaming audio
[05:03] <dibblego> thanks
[05:03] <dr_willis> tys,  for vim7? i just went to their homepage and read about it and followed the instructions.
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> !bg
[05:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about bg
[05:03] <sloncho> !bulgaria
[05:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about bulgaria
[05:03] <nickrud> snoops, just defines how to read
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> !ru
[05:03] <ubotu> Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke. Russian users please try #ubuntu-ru, there you may get more help
[05:03] <Ro1> TYS http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1473
[05:03] <sloncho> !bg
[05:03] <blacktears> well how do you go from command line to gui?
[05:03] <ToHellWithGA> is bulgarian similar enough to russian that you could get something from ubuntu-ru?
[05:03] <nickrud> snoops, actually, me , personally, I never added that. I just add that cuz I see that recommended here
[05:03] <dr_willis> blacktears,  'startx' command will start the X server and so forth.
[05:04] <blacktears> cool
[05:04] <ali> thanks userundefine ;) same here but strange and excellent ;)
[05:04] <ali> takecare
[05:04] <blacktears> how well does linux do with mp3s
[05:04] <ali> ubuntu rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:04] <blacktears> yep
[05:04] <snoops> hmm nickrud, so how come for hdd's.. to copy the mbr (boot sector + partition table) you use bs=512.. for just the bootsector you use bs=446.. I thought that's the number of bytes it takes up
[05:04] <sloncho> ToHellWithGA: usually russians use KOI8-R encoding, not cp1251
[05:04] <userundefine> blacktears, does just fine if you install mp3 support.
[05:04] <snoops> since that's exactly how big the file it creates is
[05:04] <bruenig> blacktears, not natively supported but installing appropriate codecs is very easy
[05:04] <thompa> kubuntu is tops
[05:04] <sloncho> ToHellWithGA: but I'll try
[05:04] <nickrud> snoops, we're talking about a cd, not a hard disk
[05:04] <swaj> kubuntu is pretty buggy on my laptop... but ubuntu runs flawlessly
[05:04] <blacktears> cool
[05:05] <snoops> shouldn't it be treated the same for dd though nickrud?
[05:05] <nickrud> snoops, not really, no.
[05:05] <blacktears> how about ares-like programs?
[05:05] <thompa> opposite here on, lappy gnome is slower
[05:05] <blacktears> if any of you know what ares is
[05:05] <jsgotangco> swaj: unfortunately, there wasn't much focus on kubuntu from the laptop testing team though
[05:05] <userundefine> blacktears, does that run on gnutella?  I forget.  There's an emule (amule) client
[05:05] <blacktears> no its for windows
[05:06] <Ro1> anyone know of a good video player other then mplayer?
[05:06] <blacktears> but what about like kazaa or stuff like that
[05:06] <userundefine> blacktears, I know, but what p2p network does it use
[05:06] <nickrud> snoops, if you want my personal dd for getting data off a cd for writing?: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/datatdisc   That suffices
[05:06] <blacktears> i dont know actually
[05:06] <thompa> how to disable the touchpad anyone. im suffering?
[05:06] <tronica> blacktears, try running it in wine
[05:06] <blacktears> i never had to until i found linux
[05:06] <blacktears> whats wine
[05:06] <tys> Ro1: I doesn't work
[05:07] <NickGarvey> !wine > blacktears
[05:07] <Ro1> OK
[05:07] <mog> !modprobe > mog
[05:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about modprobe
[05:07] <mog> doh. anyone wanna explain "modprobe ath_pci" to me?
[05:07] <blacktears> cool so if i have a .exe file i can use wine to run it
[05:07] <mog> it doesnt return anything for me
[05:07] <tronica> yep
[05:07] <snoops> yeah nickrud.. that's fine.. but bs is the thing I'm wondering about.. since bs=512 copies the first 512bytes on hdd, and bs=446 copies first 446bytes.. why wouldn't bs=1024 copy the first 1024bytes?
[05:08] <nickrud> mog, if it returns nothing , it installed the module properly
[05:08] <blacktears> is that a yep to me or another conversation?
[05:08] <userundefine> mog, it loads the ath_pci module from the kernel.  typically it doesn't print anything out.
[05:08] <tronica> blacktears, to you
[05:08] <NickGarvey> snoops: I don't think you need the bs, I didn't use it and I copy isos all the time
[05:08] <Ro1> o SHOOT! i have a problem....my sound isnt working at all...this morning it was..can someone help?
[05:08] <blacktears> tronica, thank you
[05:08] <mog> userundefine: somethings not working here then :\
[05:08] <tronica> blacktears, wine is in the repos
[05:09] <nickrud> mog, lsmod  returns all the modules you have loaded; ath_pci should be near the bottom if you just loaded it
[05:09] <tronica> blacktears, and after you install it just run winecfg to configure it
[05:09] <userundefine> mog, ..... yep what nickrud said
[05:09] <blacktears> cool so by tomorrow i shall only be running linux
[05:09] <mog> userundefine: do you mind taking a look here? http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/roofnet/doku.php?id=software ; I'm slightly confused by the instructions prior to "modprobe ath_pci"
[05:09] <blacktears> no more dual boot
[05:09] <tronica> blacktears, go to the forums and there is tons on running wine
[05:09] <blacktears> ty
[05:09] <snoops> ah I see.. okay.. bs is the input and output block size.. so it'll keep copying the disk in 1024byte blocks, unless you tell it how many times to do it.. such as count=1
[05:09] <Ro1> o SHOOT! i have a problem....my sound isnt working at all...this morning it was..can someone help?
[05:10] <nickrud> snoops, we're not freaking concerned with particuluar sectors, when we're dealing with cds
[05:10] <userundefine> mog, is ath_pci output somewhere when you type in "lsmod"?
[05:10] <mog> yes
[05:10] <snoops> wow nickrud, don't get your panties in a twist :)
[05:10] <mog> but the next step doesnt work
[05:11] <mog> so i assume im missing one of these:
[05:11] <nickrud> snoops, heh, my panties have extra twistability :)
[05:11] <mog> it says do make all; make install; then "to build and install click. Once everything has built, install the modules and load the Roofnet click config: Load the newly built drivers for the Atheros AR521X cards:" then modprobe ath_pci
[05:11] <mog> im not sure what install the modules is... nor load roofnet click config...
[05:11] <nickrud> snoops, cd's are not hard to copy, don't make it harder
[05:11] <moshe> hello
[05:12] <blacktears> were can i see screenshots of what people have done with their desktops on linux
[05:12] <nickrud> assuming some fucking copy protection is not involved
[05:12] <blacktears> down with copy protection!!!!
[05:12] <bruenig> I would try art.gnome.org or something like that just google a lot of this stuff
[05:12] <moshe> I just upgraded from breezy to dapper, and when I boot, gdm doesn't start.  What do I need to edit to get it to start automatically?
[05:12] <dr_willis> blacktears,  google will show dozens iof sites.. gnome-look.org and kde-look.org are 2
[05:12] <userundefine> by modprobing the module, you have "installed" them.  After that, just cd to where you have the directory it lists (../conf/wiki) and run sh * in terminal
[05:12] <tronica> blacktears, go to the ubuntuforums.org/gallery
[05:12] <snoops> nickrud, well you were stating that copying hdd's and cd's is different in linux using the same dd command.. I just looked up the dd spec to find out exactly what did what.. no probs
[05:13] <mog> userundefine: yeah, that fails horrifically lol
[05:13] <nickrud> snoops, ah, no, I would never say that, I was only talking about copying cds. Point taken
[05:13] <userundefine> mog, ah, well that's probably an issue with the script then which would be out of my depth.  never used whatever program that is.
[05:13] <mog> userundefine: k, thx anyways.
[05:15] <Asche>  hola, tengo un juego para irc hecho en perl y me instale el sirc para cargarlo, cuando pongo "/load script.pl" no pasa nada, el codigo del juego esta aca http://pastebin.com/732467
[05:15] <Madpilot> !es
[05:15] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:15] <jimbo2006> I am downloading fluxbox - is it easy to tell ubuntu to load fluxbox instead of gnome?
[05:15] <Asche> sorry
[05:16] <dr_willis> jimbo2006,  trivial
[05:17] <dr_willis> jimbo2006,  it will be listed in the GDM menus as a session you can use.
[05:17] <jimbo2006> ok thanks dr_willis
[05:17] <bruenig> you can uninstall gnome if you wish
[05:17] <Evilscientist> can someone answer a question so basic I can't find the answer for it??
[05:17] <bruenig> no
[05:17] <userundefine> Evilscientist, possibly
[05:17] <dr_willis> jimbo2006,  most all the alternative desktops/wndow managers do that.. thiose that dont.. are easially added.
[05:17] <Evilscientist> how the hell do you edit a config file in the base install?
[05:18] <nickrud> bruenig, I'm still looking for the magic invocation for removing gnome
[05:18] <Evilscientist> what's the "edit" equivalent?
[05:18] <bruenig> Evilscientist command line sudo gedit /path/to/file
[05:18] <LoneShadow> I am trying to setup a dual boot - centos and ubuntu dapper
[05:18] <nickrud> Evilscientist, nano
[05:18] <Evilscientist> nano = gedit?
[05:18] <bruenig> go gedit
[05:18] <LoneShadow> I got the debootstrap done, but not able to "dpkg-reconfigure locales console-data"
[05:18] <userundefine> two different programs.  one CLI one GUI
[05:19] <nickrud> Evilscientist, no, it's very low level, available always
[05:19] <Ro1> i need help.....my sound is not working at all...but it was a few hours ago
[05:19] <LoneShadow> nano = simillar to pico :D
[05:19] <Evilscientist> danke.....I may have more soon! ;)
[05:19] <bruenig> evilscientist, gui is easier, but if you prefer editing files in command line go with nano
[05:19] <Evilscientist> I'm trying to set up a SAMBA server...
[05:19] <Ro1> i need help.....my sound is not working at all...but it was a few hours ago
[05:19] <Evilscientist> suggest I keep to base or load a GUI?
[05:20] <nickrud> Evilscientist, erm, stay as low level as you need. If you intend to run a gui on the machine, install a gui. Otherwise, don't
[05:20] <userundefine> Evilscientist, ah, you've installed ubuntu as a server?  Just use command line programs (like nano) then.
[05:20] <bruenig> evilscientist, up to you, i was able to work faster in gui because i was used to it
[05:21] <bruenig> evilscientist, oh i didn't realize you went server go CLI
[05:21] <nickrud> !info nano
[05:21] <ubotu> nano: free Pico clone with some new features. In repository main, is standard. Version 1.3.10-1 (dapper), package size 250 kB, installed size 1416 kB
[05:21] <Evilscientist> CLI?
[05:21] <Ro1> i need help.....my sound is not working at all...but it was a few hours ago
[05:21] <nickrud> !cli
[05:21] <Evilscientist> command line interface?
[05:21] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[05:21] <bruenig> yes
[05:21] <Ro1> i need help.....my sound is not working at all...but it was a few hours ago
[05:21] <nickrud> heh, ubotu kept that one
[05:21] <twitch> does anyone here user firestarter?
[05:21] <Ro1> i do
[05:22] <Ro1> but i need help
[05:22] <Ro1> but i need help
[05:22] <lightstar> twitch, i do
[05:22] <nickrud> twitch, have done, not recently
[05:22] <userundefine> Ro1, people in here might not be familiar with your problem but check here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200210
[05:22] <jajaja1> i have a zydas usb wlan...it gets an ip and mac address but when I try to browse I get nothing...any ideas?
[05:22] <dts> I'm trying to create a custom installation (!not live) CD and i'm using preseed, however i feel like the commands i type are being ignored, is there any good howtos out there/
[05:22] <Ro1> userundefine: ok
[05:22] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like to make a list of packages i installed so i can reinstall ubuntu with its defaults then run the script to add on all of my hand-picked addons
[05:22] <twitch> lightstar, do you often get messages in your events tab?
[05:22] <lightstar> twitch, yeap i sure do
[05:22] <twitch> because i get alot of them and im not sure if its just routine connections im getting or actual threats?
[05:23] <bruenig> tohellwithga, i think they have a minimal install cd
[05:23] <hanasaki> how do i add a locale?
[05:23] <Evilscientist> so i could install say a minimum shell like xubuntu and still have the system act as a domain server...correct?
[05:23] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA, dpkg --get-selections > IwantThesePackages
[05:23] <twitch> so how do you determine the threats from the generic connections
[05:23] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA, then, dpkg --set-selections < IwantThesePackages
[05:23] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA, after the install
[05:23] <ToHellWithGA> nickrud: does that get everything or just my choices?
[05:24] <userundefine> Evilscientist, you could, but the GUI would just be wasting cpu cycles and RAM if you keep it on there.  Your choice, really
[05:24] <dts> nicrud how do you add these selections to the installation script so that after the installation the system is automatically in that stage?
[05:24] <Paladine> anyone got any ideas on this? (soffice.bin:1345): Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Conversion from character set 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' is not supported
[05:24] <Evilscientist> just need it as a file server/printer server...
[05:24] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA, just your installed packages, based on the current state when you to the --get-selections
[05:24] <jimbo2006> jajaja1 I have a zydas USB I think I had to download some firmware files. I still haven't got it working. Have you looked through dmesg?
[05:24] <Evilscientist> ...not setting it up as a game server or anything.....
[05:24] <yipe> !mbr
[05:24] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:24] <hanasaki> dpkg-reconfigure locales <= does nothing.. just lists en  how do i add japanese?
[05:25] <Ro1> no one can help me with my problem?
[05:25] <twitch> lightstar, how do you dertermine which events are threats?
[05:25] <bruenig> !ubotu
[05:25] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[05:25] <ToHellWithGA> nickrud: and that ">" pushes them to a file and the "<" pulls them from a file?
[05:25] <yipe> wow, I  forgot how much I loved xchat2.4.4
[05:25] <lightstar> twitch, hard for a firewall to determine which are threats..that is y we deploy IDS:)
[05:26] <twitch> lightstar, IDS?
[05:26] <nickrud> hanasaki, erm. I have issues with that, but System-Admin->Language Support is supposed to be how it works
[05:26] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA, exactly.
[05:26] <lightstar> !ids
[05:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about ids
[05:26] <hanasaki> in debian i used to dpkg-reconfigure locales and it brought up a list .. NickGarvey
[05:26] <hanasaki> nickrud:  that is
[05:26] <lightstar> twitch, intrusion detection system
[05:26] <hanasaki> in debian i used to dpkg-reconfigure locales and it brought up a list .. nickrud
[05:26] <jajaja1> Jjimbo2006: i get no errors in dmesg
[05:26] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA,  > means write to a file, < means read from a file
[05:26] <crimsun> hanasaki: see /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED, and use locale-gen
[05:26] <nickrud> hanasaki, yes, and that is now not supported
[05:27] <nickrud> hanasaki, see crimusn
[05:27] <bean_> hi, does anyone know how i can input japanese in say openoffice without having to log in through a japanese session?
[05:27] <crimsun> hanasaki: or in GNOME, use System> Administration> Language Support
[05:27] <bean_> in windows this is easily accomplished by changing the IME settings
[05:27] <hanasaki> hmm did ubuntu take that out of debian ? why is it gone now
[05:27] <bean_> how to do this in dapper?
[05:27] <twitch> lightstar, are there any linux IDS?
[05:27] <stbrenner> can someone tell me how set GNOME as my default graphical enviorment?  i wanted to try KDE and accidently selected it as the default and can't do it from the login screen like in GNOME
[05:28] <jimbo2006> OK I'm sorry I can't be of any more help jajaja1
[05:28] <Paladine> hmmm anyone got a minute
[05:28] <lightstar> !snort
[05:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about snort
[05:28] <Ro1> somone please help me...this morning i was using my sound perfectly...now it wont work at all, i'm using dapper and ATI IXP
[05:28] <nickrud> hanasaki, a question better asked, not to crimsun or me :)
[05:28] <lightstar> twitch, look up snort
[05:28] <ToHellWithGA> thanks nickrud.  you're an indispensable resource in here
[05:28] <hanasaki> to how nickrud
[05:28] <Paladine> ooo crimsun I was told to speak to you
[05:28] <nickrud> hanasaki, look into who's doing the language support, and bug them
[05:29] <Paladine> crimsun I hear you are a bit of a sound guru
[05:29] <Ro1> somone please help me...this morning i was using my sound perfectly...now it wont work at all, i'm using dapper and ATI IXP
[05:29] <w33z> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Freenode_Hacking_Fallout_Has_lilo_lied_to_us
[05:29] <blacktears> hey i downloaded a package that would let me mess with windows partitions, where do i access it?
[05:29] <ToHellWithGA> nickrud: i'd be ok to trim those selections to just my extras, right?
[05:30] <crimsun> Paladine: there are no gurus, only tears.
[05:30] <Evilscientist> so if you were building a light duty home file and printer server...what would you guys do...GUI or CLI?
[05:30] <dts> nickrud question about the get/set-selections stuff. Is this the same file you use as your preseed file on the installiton CD or do you run this file later on once the sytem is back up?
[05:31] <Paladine> crimsun, would you mind looking at this little problem for me please? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=204030
[05:31] <nickrud> ToHellWithGA, I'd have to see to comment
[05:31] <ToHellWithGA> nickrud: we shall see :D
[05:31] <ToHellWithGA> if i return in a few hours and say it went well, we will both know
[05:31] <Evilscientist> ....just want an opinion from experts like you....
[05:31] <CarlFK> Evilscientist: I would do cli - but it really doesn't matter
[05:31] <ToHellWithGA> and if it didn't go well i'll still have a fairly small list of packages to do manually
[05:32] <Evilscientist> 1 vote CLI....anyone else?? :)
[05:32] <lightstar> Evilscientist, me
[05:32] <blacktears> hey, anybody, i got a package that would let me mess with ntfs partitions, how do i access it
[05:32] <Evilscientist> keep in mind I'm a complete NUB at linux.
[05:32] <blacktears> the program i mean
[05:32] <dr_willis> Evilscientist,  this is linux use wht YOU want. :P
[05:33] <nickrud> dts, I didn't trust the breezy->dapper upgrade path: so I did a dpkg --get-selections to get a current snapshot of my packages; after I did an install of dapper, I did the --set-selections ; worked like a charm
[05:33] <yipe> I'm having a really hard time getting grub to reinstall
[05:33] <yipe> and yes I've already seen !mbr
[05:33] <Evilscientist> of course....but opinions are like assholes....everybody has them....
[05:33] <Ro1> somone please help me...this morning i was using my sound perfectly...now it wont work at all, i'm using dapper and ATI IXP
[05:33] <Evilscientist> ....I want to know yours! ;)
[05:33] <bruenig> Rol, it is clear nobody knows, try to forums
[05:33] <m1ndsurfer> I've got Fedora Core 3 on my machine and I'm trying to blow it away and install Ubuntu; how do I get rid of the LVM partitions on my disk? Taking Ubuntu's default install options ("Erase entire disk...") doesn't work, it says it can't create the filesystem.
[05:33] <dts> nickrud: awesome thanks, do you know if you can somehow include it in the install CD
[05:33] <jimbo2006> Hey EvilScientist why not install the GUI, set everything up then tell Ubuntu to just boot up CLI when it is all configured?
[05:34] <Evilscientist> that's possible I assume.
[05:34] <nickrud> dts, no, it's something you do afterwards.
[05:35] <nickrud> dts, but: mind you, I am not an even close to expert: I may have been lucky
[05:35] <CarlFK> speaking of sound:  play /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav =  sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy
[05:35] <Paladine> does case matter for locales?
[05:35] <CarlFK> how do I find out what is using it?
[05:36] <nickrud> CarlFK, lsof /dev/dsp
[05:36] <Paladine> I get en_GB.utf8 from locale -a, but I get LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 from locale (and I am getting locale errors)
[05:36] <CarlFK> nickrud: nothing.
[05:36] <Evilscientist> thanks for the answers guys........
[05:37] <nickrud> CarlFK, ok, that was my one stab at sound. Wait for the expert
[05:37] <Ro1> somone please help me...this morning i was using my sound perfectly...now it wont work at all, i'm using dapper and ATI IXP
[05:37] <bruenig> rol, nobody knows, try to forums
[05:37] <LoneShadow> anyone having problems with "dpkg-reconfigure locales" ?
[05:37] <CarlFK> nickrud: thanks anyway - at least you seem to understand my problems :)
[05:37] <Ro1> i tried someone has simlar sound problem...no one had answers
[05:37] <jimbo2006> !GDM
[05:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about GDM
[05:37] <yipe> so I'm trying to reinstall grub, and grub is giving me these weird errors like "file not found"
[05:38] <LoneShadow> !locales
[05:38] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocaleConf
[05:38] <Ro1> !your mom
[05:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about your mom
[05:38] <Ro1> heh
[05:38] <userundefine> Ro1, the more people who mention their problems the more attention it'll get.  Why not just attach your problem to the thread
[05:38] <nickrud> CarlFK, a lot of people here have some sideral experience; but this pxe thing is gonna screw most of us
[05:38] <LoneShadow> lol
[05:38] <twitch> does anyone know how to use apt-get build-dep
[05:38] <twitch> it has me baffled
[05:39] <Ro1> userdefine: i dunno...maybe i'll jsut reinstall dapper
[05:39] <jimbo2006> !Colonel Hogan
[05:39] <ubotu> I know nothing about Colonel Hogan
[05:39] <mog> wtf
[05:39] <mog> lol
[05:39] <Ro1> payCE!
[05:39] <nickrud> twitch, sure: apt-get build-dep <package> installs all the necessary packages to build <package>
[05:40] <LoneShadow> !diskless
[05:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:40] <twitch> nickrud, well i downloaded a tarball and i typed sudo apt-get build-dep <nameoftarball> and it just said that package was not found
[05:40] <jasonm> gnome-window-decoraor: Another window decorator is already running
[05:40] <jasonm> compiz.real: Failed to manage screen: 0
[05:40] <jasonm> compiz.real: No managable screens found on display :0.0
[05:40] <CarlFK> twitch: I am about to recompile xorg using this as a guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildingWineFromSource
[05:40] <jasonm> i get that when i try and use xgl
[05:41] <CarlFK> twitch: tarball is different - what are you trying to build?
[05:41] <snoops> which guide did ya follow jasonm?
[05:41] <nickrud> twitch, ok, what did you want to install? Face it, people use different names here and there. Translation is needed in nearly every case. And, Hopefully, you won't need to comple
[05:42] <twitch> nickrud, im trying to install snort
[05:42] <nickrud> ah snort.
[05:43] <majd_> hey
[05:43] <twitch> so build-dep doesn't work for tarballs?
[05:43] <majd_> i'm trying to compile Synergy from source...when i run:   ./configure --x-includes=/usr/openwin/include --x-libraries=/usr/openwin/lib
[05:43] <nickrud> twitch, why not just install snort?
[05:43] <majd_> i get this error: checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[05:43] <lightstar> twitch, there already is a snort package 4 ubuntu
[05:43] <majd_> i have gcc installed
[05:43] <jasonm> snoops, the guide on the ubuntu forum. not the guide on ubuntuguide.org
[05:43] <nickrud> twitch, it's in the universe repo/section
[05:44] <snoops> did you try method a or method b jasonm?
[05:44] <twitch> well. id still like to know how to build-dep with tarballs
[05:44] <noiesmo> twitch, you could do build-dep prior to using a tarball but once you down load app you will need to do configure make make install
[05:44] <jasonm> snoops, this one http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=131267
[05:45] <snoops> that guide is pretty outdated
[05:45] <twitch> noiesmo, yes its at the ./configure part where it starts throwing out missing deps and thats why i want to know how to build-dep
[05:45] <snoops> let me grab the one on the ubuntu wiki jasonm
[05:45] <Ro1> woot i fixed it
[05:45] <CarlFK> twitch: tarball is just the source, none of the apt-get package manager instructions
[05:45] <pppoe_dude> ack i cant find anywhere where to get w32codecs for breezy
[05:45] <newbuntu> hello
[05:45] <bruenig> !automatix
[05:45] <ubotu> automatix is a script that automates installation of some items and has been reported to break your system while doing that, please see http://help.ubuntu.com and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation instead.
[05:45] <noiesmo> twitch, to use build-dep you will need deb-src repos in your sources.list i believe
[05:45] <nickrud> pppoe_dude, !restricted
[05:46] <pppoe_dude> bruenig, thanks but im no automatix guy
[05:46] <pppoe_dude> also i forgot to mention im on breezy
[05:46] <CarlFK> twitch: so you dont use any of the deb stuff, and you end up with a 'messy' system if you don't know what you are doing (like me)
[05:46] <guest42> Does anyone here use proftpd?
[05:46] <[Ex0r] > I do
[05:46] <nickrud> pppoe_dude, the restricted page will work for any freaking linux for the codecs, just get them
[05:47] <jasonm> snoops, alright.. i appriciate the help. whats odd is i installed linux for the first time ever a few days ago, did this exact same guide and it worked beautiful. for other reasons i reinstalled linux and i now have a different monitor, thats the only thing i can think is different in my X setup and it doesnt work
[05:47] <snoops> k jasonm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl follow that
[05:47] <[Ex0r] > guest42, I use proftpd
[05:47] <bruenig> you are too superior to use automatix, i understand yet you can't find your own .deb or binary source of w32codecs and install it yourself, makes sense
[05:47] <newbuntu> whats the best way to network with your home pc from a remote pc, so that you can copy files over to the machine your on, I have desktop sharing on, but you cant share files
[05:47] <guest42> Alright, 'cause I'm having a problem with it.
[05:47] <cci[RR] us> hi is there a built in BitTorrent client in Dapper 6.06?
[05:47] <[Ex0r] > newbieme, ftp?
[05:47] <guest42> I'm using the basic setup that it shows in the configuration page.
[05:47] <Ro1> cci Yes
[05:47] <snoops> that'll get you the latest versions of xgl and compiz anyway jasonm (newer than on the ubuntu repositories)
[05:47] <lightstar> newbuntu, scp
[05:48] <guest42> Which says it doesn't need a password
[05:48] <newbuntu> what is scp ?
[05:48] <Ro1> cci[RR[, its jsut not displayed in your apps menu
[05:48] <guest42> But when I try to connect, it asks for a password anyway
[05:48] <nickrud> cci[RR] us, yes, drag a torrent from firefox to the desktop, then click the desktop torrent
[05:48] <jasonm> snoops, i'll give this a go
[05:48] <newbuntu> just out of curiousity
[05:48] <lightstar> !scp
[05:48] <cci[RR] us> yah i enabled it from my menu, but is that a good client?
[05:48] <ubotu> scp is a secure way of copying files across networks using ssh. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - winscp is a windows scp client
[05:48] <cci[RR] us> or should i install something better?
[05:48] <newbuntu> thanks
[05:48] <snoops> jasonm there's also #ubuntu-xgl for help on that.. usually not many people in there.. but worth a go if you still have problems after that guide
[05:48] <mitrovarr> so what's the preferred fast install script for 6.06?  (easy ubuntu, automatix, that sort of thing)
[05:48] <Ro1> cci, BT is already isntalled
[05:48] <guest42> So, I dunno how to fix that.
[05:49] <cci[RR] us> ok...
[05:49] <nickrud> mitrovarr, easyubuntu,
[05:49] <mitrovarr> ok
[05:49] <nickrud> if any
[05:49] <Zambezi> I just have to make this clear. Xfce uses less memory than Ubuntu and KDE?
[05:49] <cci[RR] us> but im refering to a better BT frondend
[05:49] <mitrovarr> just checking since last time I brought up automatix and you guys acted like I'd installed leprosy on my computer or something
[05:49] <[Ex0r] > guest42, asks for password when connecting to the ftp server, or starting it ?
[05:49] <Zambezi> I just have to make this clear. Xfce uses less memory than *Gnome and KDE?
[05:49] <blacktears> hey anyone know a good p2p program for linux
[05:49] <newbuntu> apollon!
[05:49] <cci[RR] us> BitTorrent? :D
[05:49] <guest42> When connecting to the server
[05:49] <CarlFK> blacktears: gnutella
[05:49] <hawkaloogie> blacktears, frostwire supposed to be good
[05:49] <guest42> Asks for username, which should be 'nobody'
[05:49] <newbuntu> apollon with gift plugins
[05:50] <mitrovarr> thanks guys
[05:50] <nickrud> mitrovarr, eh, yyeah, it gets that way sometimes, but good software trickles to the top
[05:50] <Syco54645> can anyone plrease give me a hand with the mkv codec in dapper?  it seems to be broken ever since i have upgraded
[05:50] <guest42> and then a password, but it shouldn't need one, according the the config file
[05:50] <blacktears> ok, so which is better
[05:50] <majd_> hey
[05:50] <blacktears> or more popular
[05:50] <guest42> So, I tried just hitting enter, and it fails to log in
[05:50] <majd_> anyone get Synergy working?
[05:50] <CarlFK> what is the name of the xorg source package?  (xorg gavem me something that compiled in 39 seconds), so I dont think that is it)
[05:50] <newbuntu> bittorrent, gift, gnutella
[05:50] <[Ex0r] > guest42, it's gotta be a username that exists
[05:50] <nickrud> blacktears, true too. But we hope that value will override popularity over time
[05:51] <cci[RR] us> aMule
[05:51] <blacktears> yes yes
[05:51] <newbuntu> apollon lets you search fasttrack (kazaa), openft, gnutella, and others
[05:51] <blacktears> well then which one is better?
[05:51] <guest42> Hmm
[05:51] <guest42> Hold on
[05:51] <nickrud> and since I've never used either , I think they both suck
[05:51] <newbuntu> what do you mean?
[05:51] <varsendagger> hey i have a fresh breezy install how should i go about upgrading to dapper.   ( no cdrom or else i would do it the cool way
[05:51] <delrio> is seveas still involved in ubuntu?
[05:51] <[Ex0r] > guest42, try logging in with a user account that exists on the machine (use the password as well)
[05:51] <newbuntu> for albums.. use bit torrent, for single songs use apollon or gnutella
[05:51] <nickrud> delrio, oy, vey, yes
[05:52] <delrio> ok thanks nickrud
[05:52] <DShepherd> varsendagger: sudo update-manager #that should work...
[05:52] <delrio> nickrud what happened to bob2 ?
[05:52] <[Ex0r] > for single songs I use frostwire, which connects to the gnutella network
[05:52] <lightstar> varsendagger, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all reference from breezy to dapper; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y
[05:52] <DShepherd> varsendagger: or gksudo update-manager #that should work...
[05:52] <blacktears> then frostwire?
[05:52] <nickrud> delmar, I miss him, and ask whoever I can
[05:52] <bean_> is there a gnome equivalent of apollon?
[05:52] <pvd> how do you change the default window manager in gnome again?  im looking in the help section where it use to have it.
[05:52] <Amarant1> ceratinly
[05:53] <guest42> It still says login failed
[05:53] <[Ex0r] > you know, what I don't understand. If they want to stop p2p sharing, why not go after the gnutella network, instead of just a single p2p client?
[05:53] <varsendagger> lightstar, would the DShepherd method work too ?
[05:53] <nickrud> delrio, erm, see above :)
[05:53] <lightstar> varsendagger, sorry not familiar with that
[05:53] <guest42> Maybe I still gotta specify that user name in my config file?
[05:53] <xenex> Should I download this video driver for my card? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8762.html
[05:53] <DShepherd> varsendagger: i hope so... but if it does go with lightstar way
[05:53] <delrio> see what nickrud? i dont understand?
[05:53] <[Ex0r] > guest42, nope, once proftpd is started, you should be able to log right in with a username/password on the system
[05:54] <DShepherd> s/does/doesnt*
[05:54] <newbuntu> does howdy-dowdy have wooden balls?
[05:54] <varsendagger> DShepherd, how did you do it?
[05:54] <guest42> Hmm...
[05:54] <lightstar> DShepherd, varsendagger, don't see a reason why it won't work though
[05:54] <newbuntu> apt-get install womens-lib
[05:54] <nickrud> delrio, a miss paste on my part. I haven't seen bob2 for many months.
[05:55] <blacktears> okay frostwire, where do i get this?
[05:55] <DShepherd> varsendagger: I did it lightstar's way.. but "gksudo update-manager -d" without the quotes should work
[05:55] <delrio> ok thanks nickrud
[05:55] <[Ex0r] > blacktears, frostwire.com or frostwire.org
[05:55] <guest42> I had assumed (never having set up FTP before) that you specified accounts in the configuration unrelated to local accounts that let people log in.
[05:55] <guest42> But, I dunno what I'm doing.
[05:55] <nickrud> delrio, I do miss him
[05:55] <guest42> In any case, I can't even log in with my name
[05:55] <guest42> So, I'll have to check it out
[05:55] <guest42> Thanks though
[05:55] <blacktears> thanls
[05:55] <blacktears> thanks
[05:55] <delrio> nickrud me too he was an important part of ubuntu
[05:56] <nickrud> delrio, yeah, he defined this channel. It still bears his imprint
[05:56] <CarlFK> guest42: the ftp server needs a place to read/write files, which ties into local filesystem dirs and rights
[05:57] <delrio> well from my exposure to ubuntu it was alot of people who showed me the way. seveas was one 2. i forget everyone now. anyway nite :)
[05:57] <newbuntu> why can you run executables on remote-desktop and even delete files... but not copy them over to the desktop your on?
[05:57] <varsendagger> what does lts mean?
[05:57] <guest42> I see.
[05:57] <xenex> varsendagger: Long term support.
[05:57] <majd_> i'm trying to get libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 but i can't find it in synaptic
[05:57] <varsendagger> newbieme, try scp
[05:58] <majd_> how could i get it?
[05:58] <newbuntu> okay im looking into it
[05:58] <varsendagger> majd_, what are you trying to install ?
[05:58] <nickrud> delrio, heh. Seveas, useful dude as well.
[05:58] <majd_> varsendagger, synergy
[05:59] <CarlFK> newbuntu: you can, there are many ways - 'best' depends on why you want to do it
[05:59] <CarlFK> newbuntu: do you have any windows box on you lan?
[05:59] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I recently setup AIGLX on my X40 Thinkpad and it works wonderfully!  However, upon waking from sleep all the graphics on the screen are just monochrome squares.  Any idea how to fix this?
[06:00] <varsendagger> majd_, have you tride to apt-get it?
[06:00] <majd_> varsendagger, Building dependency tree... Done
[06:00] <majd_> E: Couldn't find package libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[06:00] <DShepherd> ficusplanet: have you tried asking in #ubuntu-xgl?
[06:00] <ikki> !edgy
[06:00] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft"
[06:00] <ficusplanet> DShepherd: No, I wasn't aware that room existed.  Thanks.
[06:01] <DShepherd> ficusplanet:yw
[06:01] <varsendagger> DShepherd, ubuntu-base not found
[06:02] <guest42> Okay, I got it now. It's workin' Thanks for your help
[06:02] <detectiveinspekt> I can't connect to my ssh-server outside my network but can do it on the lan
[06:02] <DR_K13> sup isajeeps
[06:02] <newbuntu> carlFK i was busy for a sec, i only have ubuntu at bothe ends
[06:02] <newbuntu> do i need scp at bothe ends?
[06:03] <blacktears> okay i got frostwire
[06:03] <blacktears> and i click on the launcher
[06:03] <blacktears> and nothing
[06:03] <newbuntu> ./configure?
[06:03] <newbuntu> was it a zip?
[06:03] <CarlFK> newbuntu: no - you need openssh-server on one side and the client on the other, but ...
[06:03] <nomasteryoda|w> !mplayer
[06:03] <ubotu> No fonts in mplayer? Install mplayer fonts. Codecs: see !codecs
[06:03] <Fiyawerx> hey guys, whats the difference between the live cd and the dvd versions? other than 3 gigs
[06:03] <DShepherd> varsendagger: install ubuntu-base
[06:03] <blacktears> no i use kpackage which does everything
[06:03] <teckfatt> hello, anyone know where is the network setting file located at? after setup the networking using UI, where is the file record all the setting....thank you
[06:04] <CarlFK> newbuntu: but I would just install openssh-server on both sides so you can copy from/to ether box w
[06:04] <DShepherd> varsendagger: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-base
[06:04] <newbuntu> thanks alot
[06:04] <gdb> teckfatt: /etc/network/interfaces
[06:05] <CarlFK> newbuntu: but... scp is handy for using the scp command.  you may want to lok into nfs (netwrok file system) that is a more formal file server
[06:05] <blacktears> could someone help me out with this?
[06:05] <varsendagger> DShepherd, it can't find it
[06:05] <nich0s> Anyone want to take a stab at why Ubuntu doesn't come with a apt that can handle the cc command? Or tell me where I can get my hands on a proggie that will?
[06:06] <blacktears> or give me another p2p program i could use
[06:06] <paul_> Has anyone else had the problem with panels crashing when opening applications from alt-F2 command line?
[06:06] <dr_willis> nich0s,  huh?
[06:06] <nickrud> nich0s, sudo apt-get install build-essential ?
[06:06] <xenex> Should I download this video driver for my card? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-8762.html
[06:06] <teckfatt> gdb: alright thank you so much.....btw do u what to type for the <DNS Servers> <follow by IP> on /etc/network/interfaces
[06:07] <CarlFK> xenex:  no - sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:07] <gdb> teckfatt: DNS servers don't go in /etc/network/interfaces, they go in /etc/resolv.conf.  Is that what you're trying to configure?
[06:07] <nich0s> nickrud: Let me give that a try,
[06:07] <xenex> CarlFK: Yeah but my openGL or whatever doesn't work. http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6320/guildwars9um.png
[06:07] <nich0s> nickrud: I would kiss you if you didn't have my first name :P
[06:08] <varsendagger> DShepherd, this is so wierd i can't apt-cache search ubuntu-base
[06:08] <CarlFK> xenex: /join #ubuntu-glx
[06:08] <Chris_C> Somebody please help me before I put a bullet in my head ...
[06:08] <xenex> CarlFK: no such channel
[06:08] <DShepherd> varsendagger: ?? really hmm.
[06:08] <Chris_C> I'm trying to burn a folder of files to a blank DVD-RW disc ...
[06:08] <nickrud> nich0s, it gets you gcc, make, and a couple other essential things, and my name is acutally rudnick, the nick stands for nick rude, and I try to live up to it :)
[06:08] <DShepherd> varsendagger: what do you mean by you cant.?
[06:09] <Chris_C> and it always says I don't have enough space (it's only 1.4 GB)
[06:09] <DShepherd> varsendagger: you are not finding anything?
[06:09] <blacktears> frostwire is pissing me off
[06:09] <Chris_C> this is in nautilus
[06:09] <teckfatt> gdb: i'm having a problem, when i restart my com, i need to retype the DNS server for my static ip
[06:09] <newbuntu> CarlFK i managed to get openssh-server on both now, whats the next step?
[06:09] <blacktears> i dont know if its not working or just taking forever to load
[06:09] <nich0s> nickrud: *kisses you*  You asked for it.
[06:09] <CarlFK> xenex: hmm.. what is the name...
[06:09] <varsendagger> yeah not finding anythign i went into sources.list and uncommented all the repos
[06:09] <xenex> CarlFK: The name of what?
[06:09] <teckfatt> gdb: what are u suggestion? thank you anyways
[06:09] <CarlFK> newbuntu: what is the name of a file, and the IP of your other box?
[06:09] <gdb> teckfatt: Have you used the Networks control panel?  Or are you looking to edit the config file by hand?
[06:09] <nickrud> nich0s, thanks :)
[06:09] <CarlFK> xenex: hmm.. what is the name... of the  #ubuntu-glx channel
[06:10] <xenex> CarlFK: How would I know? :x
[06:10] <gdb> teckfatt: System -> Administration -> Networking is the control panel you can use.
[06:10] <varsendagger> maybe it is ubuntu-minimal?
[06:10] <CarlFK> i wuz hopoing someone would chime in
[06:10] <ali> i want to share internet connection between two of my network cards
[06:10] <ali> i mean one is for local and one for internet
[06:10] <ali> how to share it ?
[06:11] <ali> i dont want to use firewall like firestarter to share it
[06:11] <teckfatt> gdb: yes i;m using tat networking control panel.....but it remove the DNS server IP after i restart com
[06:11] <Chris_C> how do you all burn data to DVD-RW's?
[06:11] <teckfatt> gdb: so i'm thinking of manual edit
[06:11] <teckfatt> gdb: so i'm thinking of edit by hand
[06:11] <bimberi> Chris_C: using the file manager (nautilus)
[06:11] <CarlFK> Chris_C: I use growisofs
[06:12] <gdb> teckfatt: Well, that's the file it's editing, though.  Are you sure you're using a static?    It says my blank DVD-RW disc doesn't have enough room for 1.4 GB of data.
[06:12] <[Ex0r] > me2win, I used to.
[06:13] <newbuntu> CarlFK  <IP_ADDRESS>      /home/sara/Sara's Tunes/Beatles. The/Abbey Road/01 Come Together.mp3
[06:13] <CarlFK> ali - I think it is a simple switch /proc/forward ? and maybe a routing entry - and then you need to set the gateway IP of the other boses
[06:13] <teckfatt> auto eth1
[06:13] <teckfatt> iface eth1 inet static
[06:13] <teckfatt> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <teckfatt> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <teckfatt> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <teckfatt> wireless-essid 43smd
[06:13] <varsendagger> DShepherd, maybe it is working now
[06:13] <Chris_C> bimberi: since I'm burning files that have root ownership, I did a "sudo nautilus", and then did a copy and paste of the folder, then clicked the big "Write to Disc" button
[06:13] <teckfatt> gdb: auto eth1
[06:13] <teckfatt> iface eth1 inet static
[06:13] <teckfatt> address <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <teckfatt> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <teckfatt> gateway <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:13] <teckfatt> wireless-essid 43smd
[06:13] <CarlFK> newbuntu: scp "/home/sara/Sara's Tunes/Beatles. The/Abbey Road/01 Come Together.mp3" <IP_ADDRESS> :
[06:13] <me2win> [Ex0r] : is there any playtime included when you buy the game?
[06:14] <[Ex0r] > me2win, IIRC, it comes with 30 days free
[06:14] <bimberi> teckfatt: please don't do that
[06:14] <ali> CarlFK do i need to rite like this   "/proc/forward ....
[06:14] <me2win> [Ex0r] : cool, thanks
[06:14] <teckfatt> bimberi: k
[06:14] <bimberi> !paste
[06:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:14] <CarlFK> newbuntu: that will drop the file in the other boxes's users' home dir  (I am assuming the same username on both boxes)
[06:15] <Chris_C> wah
[06:15] <Hobbsee> next one who does it, someone call ops.
[06:15] <CarlFK> ali - here are my notes from about 10 years ago: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/linux/cmr/
[06:15] <bimberi> Chris_C: hm, that seems ok to me, not sure what the issue is :/
[06:16] <ali> Thanks CarlFK
[06:16] <ali> CarlFK, u are cool 10year you must be guru in linux ;)
[06:16] <CarlFK> ali - well, it was only last week that I installed Linux on my main box....
[06:17] <CarlFK> got pizzet at win one too many times
[06:17] <Dial_tone> I've been using freebsd almost 10 yrs and I'm still pretty clueless :)
[06:17] <varsendagger> could someone do an apt-cahce search ubuntu-base for me?
[06:17] <CarlFK> Dial_tone: you and me both
[06:17] <gdb> Hobbsee: Ah, he was a newbie and didn't seem to know any better and indicated that he understood he's not to do it again.  Let's show a little more ubuntu, eh? ;-)
[06:17] <deitarion2> What's the procedure for setting a login splash screen under Ubuntu? My friend's asked me to help him and I only know Gentoo.
[06:18] <varsendagger> cache
[06:18] <Dial_tone> my main problem is I read the docs just enough to get something working, but never enough to master it
[06:18] <Hobbsee> gdb: how hard is it for people to read a topic?  and i keep hearing people say "oh, i saw people pasting before, so thought it was acceptable to paste"
[06:18] <bimberi> !splash > deitarion2
[06:18] <nickrud> deitarion2, for login gksudo gdmsetup
[06:19] <nickrud> rflmao, expecting people to actually read the topic
[06:19] <Hobbsee> nickrud: yeah, i know.
[06:19] <telliott> Hello.  I'm a newbie running 6.06 (live CD)
[06:19] <Dial_tone> is there a default keycombo to switch virtual desktops in gnome?
[06:19] <CarlFK> ali - DON'T use that on your box.  i just relaized that it uses some very outdated things - you want iptables now
[06:19] <nickrud> Hobbsee, I gave up
[06:19] <thrice`> ctrl + alt + num should work
[06:19] <bimberi> Dial_tone: ctrl-alt-left and right works too
[06:20] <thrice`> otherwise you can set them
[06:20] <gdb> Hobbsee: Well, you never know.  I just try to keep in mind that the only folks up on regular IRC netiquette are those that are regulars on IRC.  If someone's new, I let oversights slide.  But that's me. :-)
[06:20] <Dial_tone> ahh, thank you
[06:20] <nickrud> and if any place overlooks, this is it
[06:20] <gdb> I do hope he's able to get his networking issue solves.
[06:20] <gdb> solved*
[06:21] <ali> CarlFK, iptables where can i get that ?
[06:21] <varsendagger> gdb,  could someone do an apt-cache search ubuntu-base for me?
[06:21] <ali> CarlFK, i am trying this for the first time ;)
[06:21] <nickrud> Hobbsee, have you seen ompaul's signoff recently?
[06:21] <varsendagger> and tell me what you get
[06:21] <Hobbsee> gdb: true...i kinda just wanted to make an example - particularly with what i'd heard before, about people saying "oh, i saw all these people do it, it's fine for me to paste 30 lines in a busy channel too"
[06:21] <nickrud> I have stolen it
[06:21] <gdb> varsendagger:  ubuntu-base - The Ubuntu base system (transitional package) -- this one?
[06:22] <varsendagger> yeah
[06:22] <telliott> Can I save my settings running the live CD?
[06:22] <Hobbsee> nickrud: yeah i did :)
[06:22] <varsendagger> why can't i find it?
[06:22] <Chris_C> when nautilus burns a disc, does anyone know if/where on the hard drive it creates a temporary image of what it's about to burn?
[06:22] <gdb> varsendagger: I don't know, I'd suspect it's in main and marked required.
[06:22] <nickrud> doggerell, but appropriate
[06:22] <varsendagger> gdb, do you run breezy or dapper
[06:22] <varsendagger> i am upgrading
[06:23] <teckfatt> gdb: sorry DC just now.....what is ur suggestion? how to edit the DNS server by hand?
[06:23] <gdb> varsendagger: I run Dapper.
[06:23] <varsendagger> i should just do the source >> dapper dist upgrad
[06:23] <cef> varsendagger: sounds like your sources are at fault
[06:23] <raiinstorm> guys I know everyone says that its such a security issue but I don't care.  How do I give read/write/execute access to new files and all old files?   I hate having my access denied.
[06:24] <gdb> teckfatt: Well, I wanted to make sure that you're not having your settings clobbered by dhclient, but you do seem to have your interface set as static.  Do you have other interfaces other than eth1 defined in there?
[06:24] <thrice`> no, that is a terrible idea
[06:24] <Chris_C> ugh
[06:24] <thrice`> raiinstorm: noone in here will tell you how to do that.  It is a terribel idea, and will ruin your install
[06:24] <raiinstorm> yes I realize that.   See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:25] <varsendagger> !easysource
[06:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:25] <roostishaw> anyone, how do i change the default port for apache2?
[06:25] <raiinstorm> thanks a lot thrice.     Just because I don't know everything about Linux.  I don't see why files can't be accessed easier.
[06:25] <lightstar> roostishaw, edit the httpd.conf and change the ListenAddress
[06:25] <nickrud> what happened to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666, great sources
[06:26] <mikere> raiinstorm: chmod from the command line
[06:26] <roostishaw> lightstar, thank you!
[06:26] <lightstar> roostishaw, np
[06:26] <teckfatt> gdb: i show u my whole /etc/network/interfaces
[06:26] <mikere> raiinstorm: chmod +x * for all files in current directory to be executable
[06:26] <thrice`> raiinstorm: because perms are set for a reason
[06:26] <thrice`> and sudo is there for a reason
[06:26] <CarlFK> raiinstorm: some things in linux check for loose permessions and stop wroking, so you don't want to just do that
[06:26] <telliott> Can I save my settings running the live CD?  I have a thumb drive.
[06:26] <wasabi> raiinstorm: What files?
[06:27] <thrice`> sudo can help you out quite a bit
[06:27] <roostishaw> lightstar, um... actually, where would i find httpd.conf?
[06:27] <gdb> teckfatt: Please use the webpage http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ to do that.
[06:27] <detectiveinspekt> do I have to forward UTP for a ssh server?
[06:27] <nickrud> raiinstorm, it's all about preserving your system, against whatever. You must have reasonable rights to change those files
[06:27] <lightstar> roostishaw, /etc/apache2 if i recall correctly
[06:27] <mikere> raiinstorm: what files in particular do you need to give permissions to?
[06:27] <lightstar> roostishaw, though in ubuntu the config is diff
[06:27] <cef> detectiveinspekt: ssh uses TCP port 22
[06:27] <gdb> raiinstorm: Use sudo with your commands or run sudo -i when you need to do a lot of work as root.
[06:27] <bimberi> roostishaw: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf - but i think the file you're looking for is /etc/apache2/ports.conf
[06:28] <roostishaw> lightstar, hmm, got it. but thats odd how the search didn't find it... thx anyway
[06:28] <cef> detectiveinspekt: however, the server of course may need to resolve DNS names, which uses a combination of 53 TCP and UDP
[06:28] <ali> thanks CarlFK
[06:28] <detectiveinspekt> when I try to connect to my server outside it says wrong pwsd, but inside its fine
[06:28] <teckfatt> gdb: ok tz
[06:28] <cef> detectiveinspekt: but you shouldn't need to forward them explicity with a normal NAT firewall.
[06:28] <raiinstorm> I want to give permission to old tars I have on here, old files which got downloaded as a user I've since deleted and it drives me insane when I can't just access those files.  Nothing having to do with system things, just general files.
[06:29] <wasabi> raiinstorm: As root, just grant permissions using chown/chmod.
[06:29] <CarlFK> raiinstorm: that's much different :)
[06:29] <b1rken> Hello, i have som problem accessing my drives from Ubuntu (Running via VMware), can someone help me?
[06:29] <nickrud> raiinstorm, chown those files to the owner you want to be owned by
[06:29] <detectiveinspekt> but If I had two servers connected to the router how would they know which one?
[06:29] <b1rken> I want to listen / play the movies in Ubuntu, from the drives i can normally access in Windows XP
[06:29] <thrice`> of
[06:29] <thrice`> er
[06:30] <thrice`> for example, chown -R rain:users /home/rain/downloads
[06:30] <teckfatt> gdb: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d16591
[06:30] <thrice`> will give rain access to /home/rain/downloads
[06:30] <CarlFK> detectiveinspekt: if it is really a 'router', you will connect to the IP of the box,but I am guessing it is more than just a router
[06:31] <gdb> teckfatt: You using a WRT54G wireless router for this connection?  Or something similar?
[06:31] <teckfatt> gdb: yes i'm using wrt54Gx , similar with wrt54g
[06:32] <varsendagger> ahh i'm going in for a dapper upgrade
[06:32] <gdb> teckfatt: Can you please use that same website to show the output of /sbin/ifconfig -a ?
[06:33] <ttongfly_>
[06:33] <newbuntu> CarlFK  im trying to login to my home system using ssh, what is the command to login to to my home box where the user name is aloon and the ip is 24.blah blah
[06:33] <newbuntu> the user name is different then the one im on
[06:33] <Dial_tone> ssh user@hostip