[12:09] <plovs> sivang, that's networking for ye!
[12:14] <WW> Argh... anyone who writes more than 5 lines of XSLT code without comments should be taken out and... well, I won't say what horrible punishments they should suffer.
[12:17] <sivang> shot on site, as they like to say on #debian
[12:17] <sivang> :)
[12:21] <WW> (Just to be clear... my previous comment was triggered while reading autoidx.xsl and other DocBook xsl files, not by something written by someone here :)
[12:25] <plovs> yes, got the faq in book form, with index etc, looks really good!
[12:26] <sivang> :)
[12:26] <plovs> what yelp bug?
[12:27] <sivang> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3653
[12:30] <plovs> sivang, your running hoary?
[12:30] <sivang> ye
[12:30] <sivang> yes :-(
[12:31] <ggi> sivang: It's not that bad, surely?
[12:31] <sivang> :)
[12:31] <sivang> kidding
[12:31] <sivang> well not, but many things break occasinally, and it's worse then sid, because ubuntu is advancing much faster :)
[12:31] <ggi> Though I do see what you meant about Evolution being a bit... unstable.
[12:32] <WW> plovs: By "index", do you mean index or Table of Contents.
[12:32] <WW> ?
[12:32] <sivang> evo tends to crash
[12:32] <sivang> thank god for mutt
[12:32] <sivang> :)
[12:32] <sivang> ggi, I am preparing the gnome-user-manual repo btw
[12:33] <sivang> so shortly, anyone interested would be able to do work on it
[12:33] <ggi> Well, as I said, I'm kind of busy with essays right now, but in a week or so I'll be able to start properly.
[12:34] <ggi> Speaking of which, I'm off to drink sugary stimulant drinks and write some essays. Bye all!
[12:34] <plovs> WW, table of contents
[01:31] <plovs> sivang, still awake?
[01:31] <sivang> plovs : yes buddy, present and accountet for :)
[01:31] <sivang> got my mail?
[01:31] <plovs> could you do an svn up in ChrisH svn?
[01:32] <sivang> up the /C folder of the gnome manual?
[01:32] <sivang> what's the address again?
[01:32] <sivang> svn.work... ?
[01:34] <plovs> looking
[01:37] <sivang> did it
[01:37] <sivang> it 'just worked'
[01:37] <plovs>  http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq
[01:37] <sivang> strange
[01:37] <sivang> configuration.xml  faq_hoodster.xml   Makefile   part3.xml  trouble.xml  unsorted.xml
[01:37] <sivang> contributing.xml   faq.xml            part1.xml  README     ubuntu.xml
[01:37] <sivang> faq-guide.xml      install-issue.xml  part2.xml  test.xml   ubuntu.xsl
[01:37] <sivang> this is what I got
[01:37] <plovs> try faq-guide.xml
[01:37] <plovs> yelp faq-guide.xml
[01:38] <plovs> or is your yelp still dead
[01:38] <sivang> dead, I will have to have it from cvs
[01:39] <sivang> I will grab one form warty
[01:44] <plovs> i asked ogra t otest it as well
[01:45] <sivang> nice
[01:45] <sivang> have some stranege idents
[01:46] <plovs> sivang, still needs a lot of work, the faq
[01:46] <plovs> but a bunch of small ones is easier
[01:46] <sivang> this is after the devision to small files?
[01:46] <sivang> ok, obvisously there is something I want to fix right away
[01:46] <plovs> faq-guide.xml is yes
[01:46] <sivang> it says "GNOME 2.8 desktop guide"
[01:46] <sivang> haha
[01:47] <sivang> going to change it,
[01:47] <sivang> how do I commit my changes afterwards?
[01:47] <plovs> that's where i ripped it from
[01:47] <plovs> svn ci
[01:47] <sivang> the templates?
[01:48] <sivang> all in all looks very promising
[01:48] <plovs> i hope this is what our docs will be like
[01:51] <plovs> did you update?
[01:52] <sivang> not yet, still looking at it
[01:53] <sivang> so the old faq.xml is obsolete by now?
[01:54] <plovs> yes, it has been cut in pieces
[01:57] <plovs> sivang, what kind of packages are you planning to make?
[01:57] <plovs> from your mail
[01:58] <Hoodster> Hi guys, I am back for a bit to do a bit more work on the FAQ. A quick question. What exactly does the 'honorific' refer to exactly?
[01:59] <plovs> Hoodster, hi!
[01:59] <plovs> Hoodster, no idea
[01:59] <Hoodster> plovs: Hi, What does Dipl.-Inform mean? (hehe)
[01:59] <plovs> Hoodster, check out the faq from the repo with svn up
[01:59] <plovs> Hoodster, dressed diplomats?
[01:59] <plovs> :-)
[02:00] <plovs> Hoodster, i cut the faq in smaller pieces
[02:00] <plovs> Hoodster you'll have to put your changes in by hand
[02:00] <Hoodster> plovs: okay
[02:01] <plovs> sivang, what is NM work?
[02:14] <hornbeck> hey plovs
[02:14] <hornbeck> can you readd the faq stuff to the svn server
[02:16] <plovs> hornbeck, hi! sure
[02:18] <hornbeck> ok
[02:18] <hornbeck> did you see the address change?
[02:18] <hornbeck> <IP_ADDRESS>/faq
[02:22] <plovs> hornbeck my password fails
[02:22] <plovs> oh, let's try the address
[02:24] <plovs> no, password refused
[02:28] <Hoodster> Hey guys, I am having trouble opening the new (just updated) faq.xml file with gedit. Is there something I am doing wrong?
[02:29] <Hoodster> What I mean by updated is that I did a svn up command
[02:29] <plovs> Hoodster mkdir old ; mv * old (in the correct dir) ; svn up
[02:30] <sivang> plovs : ubuntu-docs package would contain all our production quality docs that we want to have available offline, like the faq, STJ , FirstSteps etc.. would install this docs in an appropriate place, and call up the scrollkeeper thingy to register all the docs.
[02:32] <plovs> sivang, super!
[02:32] <plovs> Hoodster, ok?
[02:33] <Hoodster> plovs: No, However, I spoke incorrectly. The problem I am having is with yelp. Yelp crashes when opening faq.xml. Is this expected?
[02:33] <sivang> plovs : I inted to also maintain other software that relates to docs, yelp on of them. :)
[02:35] <plovs> Hoodster, if faq.xml is not correct then yes it is suposed to do it, try yelp from Applications
[02:35] <plovs> sivang, nice, so you yelp-maintainer, we want search! now! :-)
[02:35] <Hoodster> plovs: Please forgive me, but I don't understand 'yelp from applications'. What does this mean? hehe
[02:36] <sivang> haha! Well, if I through yet another feature request at shaunm, he would just make me a yelp hacker..he has this inent :)
[02:36] <Hoodster> plovs: I don't see yelp in the application menu. I think this is what was meant, but I don't see it.
[02:36] <plovs> you can run yelp by pressing the application-menu in the left upper corner of the screen
[02:36] <plovs> Hoodster, it's called help
[02:37] <plovs> sivang, would be nice to have though
[02:37] <plovs> Hoodster, does it work?
[02:38] <sivang> plovs : yes, I think he's working on something that would be done by hoary's release, that is gnome 2.10
[02:38] <plovs> sivang, good
[02:38] <plovs> sivang, did you install a backported yelp, yet? or not today?
[02:39] <hornbeck> going for dinner
[02:39] <sivang> plovs : installed yelp from warty, yes.
[02:39] <sivang> but I am now going to test the fix I think I have for the current bug
[02:39] <plovs> ok, hornbeck needs to do that as well i suppose
[02:39] <plovs> Hoodster, well? does it work?
[02:39] <Hoodster> LOl, I am getting confused, but loving it. However, my confusion might be clearing. What will running Help help me (hehe). I did launch 'Help' from the Applications menu, but I can't tell it to open a specific file.
[02:40] <plovs> Hoodster, but it works?
[02:40] <Hoodster> plovs: Oh, yes, the Help program does work.
[02:40] <plovs> then faq.xml is broken
[02:41] <plovs> Hoodster, try: svn checkout http://<IP_ADDRESS>/faq (in another folder)
[02:41] <Hoodster> plovs: For instance, I can successfully run 'yelp trouble.xml'
[02:42] <plovs> yelp faq-guide.xml
[02:43] <Hoodster> plovs: That did the trick!
[02:47] <trickie> sivang, how could i install the wart version of yelp?
[02:47] <trickie> sivang, i am currently running hoary
[02:47] <trickie> and i just can't seem to get yelp running
[02:49] <plovs> sivang, trickie, put it in the wiki as well!
[02:52] <sivang> I am using a dirty workaround,
[02:53] <sivang> I changed my /etc/apt/sources.list lines to have 'warty' instead of 'hoary'
[02:53] <sivang> then, apt-get update
[02:53] <sivang> apt-get remove yelp
[02:53] <sivang> apt-get install yelp
[02:53] <sivang> and I have the warty version...
[02:53] <sivang> but this comes without warranty :)
[02:54] <trickie> yeah
[02:54] <trickie> i might just wait... the rest of my haory install works well
[02:55] <trickie> hoary rather
[02:56] <trickie> i don't have access to the svn repos, but i have a change to the ubuntu.xsl file in the FAQ that chunks the 'book' up into multiple files
[02:56] <trickie> should i just send a diff out on the mailing-list?
[02:56] <plovs> trickie, sure, that would be good
[02:57] <plovs> sivang, you can do this with pinning as well
[02:58] <Hoodster> Hi guys! I made a few more additions to the java section of the install-issue.xml file. I am ready to upload. Should I give it a go? I did not change the file name this time.
[03:01] <plovs> do you have a password?
[03:01] <Hoodster> plovs: Yes, thanks to ChrisH.
[03:03] <plovs> Hoodster, sure, try it
[03:05] <plovs> Hoodster, well?
[03:06] <Hoodster> plovs: I tried it and I got the message 'commit failed (details follow)' then 'MKACTIVITY of /faq/.....
[03:06] <Hoodster> plovs: Not sure if it worked.
[03:06] <plovs> failed is always bad...
[03:06] <plovs> Hoodster, you only changed install-issue.xml, right?
[03:07] <Hoodster> plovs: No, I also changed the faq-guide.xml by adding my name to the author list.
[03:07] <Hoodster> plovs: Do I have to upload both files at once?
[03:08] <plovs> ok, copy those two files somewhere safe, rm * in the faq dir and do svn up, then copy paste your changes back in
[03:08] <plovs> i also made changes, maybe that is why it did not work
[03:11] <sivang> plovs : pinning?
[03:13] <plovs> sivang, http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[03:14] <plovs> sivang, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html 3.10
[03:14] <Hoodster> plovs: No that did not work. I will go ahead and email the files.
[03:14] <plovs> Hoodster, no wait
[03:15] <plovs> Hoodster did you do svn up?
[03:17] <sivang> plovs : you use pinning?
[03:17] <sivang> plovs : and the second doc I didn't see where it talks about it too.
[03:17] <plovs> sivang, i used to on debian
[03:18] <sivang> plovs : ah nice, we should modify this for ubuntu also :)
[03:18] <Hoodster> plovs: Yes I did, I did do svn up
[03:18] <plovs> you use pinning if you want debs from woody and sarge
[03:19] <plovs> Hoodster, now just open the files and copy/paste your changes back in, then svn ci
[03:19] <sivang> anyway, am headed to bed, night all!
[03:19] <Hoodster> plovs: I did exactly that....
[03:19] <plovs> sivang, night!
[03:19] <Hoodster> Night sivang!
[03:19] <sivang> night fellow doccers !
[03:19] <plovs> Hoodster, and what did svn ci do?
[03:20] <trickie> night sivang
[03:21] <Hoodster> plovs: First, it asked me to add a message. I did that. Then, it asked me for a password, but it defaults to my local login name, but that is not correct. So, I simply press enter. It asks me for a username, so I type the name that ChrisH gave me. Then it asks for the password, which I type it in. Then, strangely, it asks for the username and password again. Then the fault error message.
[03:22] <plovs> what if you type the password after your login name?
[03:24] <Hoodster> plovs: I did that once and I recall that svn kicks back to the cursor with a difference error message (can't remember exactly what it was though).
[03:26] <plovs> Hoodster, just mail the diff then, i'll put it in
[03:27] <Hoodster> plovs: Okay, I sure wish I could get it to work. I wonder if my username and password is no longer current. Was there a major change earlier in the day? Just trying to think of all possibilities.
[03:28] <plovs> Hoodster, we have been using svn only a couple of days, my password at hornbeck does not work either :(
[03:28] <plovs> later it will be ok
[03:29] <plovs> i hope
[03:29] <Hoodster> plovs: I sent it.
[03:30] <plovs> got it
[03:31] <Hoodster> plovs: I have a question. I was wondering if it would be desirable to add to the top of the install-issue.xml file that not only does the page increase ones skill in installing apps, but it will increase the functionality of the OS. My point is that it is more than just an educational exercise. A minor consideration I know.
[03:33] <Hoodster> plovs: oops! I just re-read that page and it doesn't seem to have the beginning statement about skill.
[03:35] <Hoodster> plovs: One last question and then I will stop for a few days (hehe). Will there be a way to search the FAQ?
[03:39] <trickie> plovs, you get my patch on the mailing-list?
[03:40] <plovs> Hoodster, sivang said they are working on it for 2.10
[03:40] <trickie> plovs, i initially sent it from the wrong address
[03:40] <Hoodster> Plovs: Thanks.
[03:40] <plovs> trickie, yep, on the doc-list
[03:40] <plovs> trickie, thanks
[03:40] <plovs> Hoodster, how many changes did you make?
[03:40] <plovs> i added your name and java
[03:41] <Hoodster> Plovs: Not much. That was all. Just the section under java and the name.
[03:42] <Hoodster> plovs: Actually, there is quite a bit to the java section, but it all in consecutive lines, so it is an easy cut-n-paste.
[03:42] <plovs> Hoodster, ok, do svn up and check it out!
[03:42] <plovs> dedicated to the hoodster
[03:47] <George^Deka> hi all, so lots been happening while i have been away i see
[03:48] <Hoodster> plovs: Thanks for the recognition! However, when I did a complete checkout, I don't see the added java section. Perhaps I am checking out from a different repository?
[03:48] <Hoodster> Hi George^Deka!
[03:49] <Hoodster> plovs: I sorry, but I gots to get some sleep.
[03:51] <plovs> George^Deka, hi
[03:53] <George^Deka> hi hoodster, plovs
[03:53] <George^Deka> so how to i setup svn access, i have never used svn or the like
[03:59] <plovs> George^Deka, https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubVersion
[04:12] <plovs> goodnight all
[04:12] <trickie> good night plovs
[04:12] <trickie> hello George^Deka
[04:12] <trickie> well i am outta here also...
[04:12] <trickie> take it easy guys
[04:23] <George^Deka> chrish: noticed your subversion wiki page does not have how to install svn for repo users
[04:24] <George^Deka> i take it that it is -- apt-get install subversion ??? just for the end user stuff
[04:29] <hornbeck> sudo apt-get install subversion
[04:29] <hornbeck> yes
[04:32] <George^Deka> thought so, was just thinking there may have been sep packages for client and host
[04:49] <hornbeck> nope
[04:49] <hornbeck> all the same package
[05:14] <George_Deka> i cant get svn to work, what is the repo ?
[05:14] <hornbeck> what are you trying to pull?
[05:14] <hornbeck> the faq?
[05:18] <George_Deka> yep
[05:22] <George_Deka> hornbeck: yep the faq
[05:25] <hornbeck> svn co http://<IP_ADDRESS>/faq
[05:26] <hornbeck> that will pull it down for you
[05:31] <George_Deka> thanks
[05:48] <hornbeck> no problem
[07:45] <hornbeck> hey
[07:55] <George^Deka> hey hornbeck
[07:55] <hornbeck> whats going on?
[08:00] <hornbeck> I am off to bed, goodnight
[08:04] <George^Deka> cya all
[09:54] <sivang> morning!
[09:56] <sivang> anybody awake?
[10:09] <ChrisH> hi...
[10:13] <sivang> Hey Chris, I've also risen up today feeling mostly unwell, what will be the end of this flues...
[10:13] <ChrisH> No idea. A coworker also told about that. Perhaps I shouldn't have gone to the gym on friday. :(
[10:50] <plovs> ???? ???????
[10:51] <plovs> oj, good morning
[10:54] <plovs> ChrisH, did you checkout thefaq?
[10:54] <ChrisH> Jau
[10:54] <ChrisH> Even the patch from Nick Loeve...
[10:56] <plovs> so what do you think doing it like this? all in little pieces?
[10:57] <plovs> what about the divisions?
[10:57] <plovs> more/less?
[10:58] <plovs> i find it easier to work on smaller docs
[11:00] <plovs> ChrisH, what about hornbeck's svn? i can't upload to it anymore, i could yesterday, once?
[11:01] <plovs> ChrisH, i'll continue using yours until this is sorted out
[11:44] <ChrisH> plovs: Yes, I sorted that out with hornbeck already. We are using my repository until everything works fine there.
[11:46] <plovs> ChrisH, ok
[11:50] <ChrisH> plovs: I'm completely happy with the chunks like this.
[12:55] <plovs> ChrisH, do you have axperience with glosterm entries?
[12:58] <ChrisH> Not really.
[12:59] <plovs> ChrisH, i'll ask enrico then, i added a glossary, and would like to cross-link
[01:22] <plovs> Hoodster, hi!
[01:23] <Hoodster> Hi Plovs
[01:23] <plovs> Hoodster, you might ask for a password from chris then you can apply yourself
[01:23] <Hoodster> I am about to leave for my business trip, but I wanted to come back and congratulate you and the rest of the doc team on the great work being done on the FAQ
[01:25] <Hoodster> plovs: I will do that before I leave. I take it that the username/password might have changed, thus I am no longer authenticated. When I do a svn up, nothing is updated and it returns At revision 2 message. It could also be that nothing new has been uploaded. Not sure which.
[01:26] <plovs> Hoodster, you might be looking at the wrong address, we still use  http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq
[01:28] <plovs> Hoodster, At revision 43. it should say
[01:29] <Hoodster> plovs: Okay, I will do a full check out.
[01:29] <plovs> ChrisH, did you ever look at trac? http://www.edgewall.com/trac/
[01:29] <ChrisH> plovs:  not yet
[01:31] <Hoodster> plovs: I did a full checkout but the yelp does not like the faq.xml file. It crashes for some reason.  It seems working now.
[01:58] <plovs> Hoodster, ok, now you can start working on the normal faq
[01:59] <plovs> Hoodster, we will use faq-guide.xml and all files it references
[01:59] <Hoodster> plovs: Okay, I won't be available until Tuesday evening. I hope I can contribute then.
[02:00] <plovs> Hoodster, great!
[02:00] <Hoodster> plovs: I have to go now. I feel like I have accomplished something, with your and Chris's help. Thank you so much. I have done only a little bit, but hope to do more.
[02:00] <Hoodster> Have a good time all!
[02:05] <sivang> I have a fixed pacakge for yelp,
[02:05] <sivang> could people help me test?
[02:06] <sivang> this fixes all navigational problems, still a problem is there when you click the 'title page' on the left side
[02:10] <plovs> sivang, i can help, but in a ouple of hours, i'm of shopping
[02:10] <plovs> couple
[02:11] <sivang> plovs : ok, gemme you email, I'll send you the .deb there
[02:11] <plovs> alexander.poslavsky AT gmail.com
[02:17] <sivang> plovs : you still able to reproduce that bug?
[03:56] <hornbeck> ChrisH, plovs: either of you around?
[03:56] <hornbeck> sivang: you here?
[03:57] <ChrisH> hornbeck: jau...
[04:01] <hornbeck> I borked the passwd file on the server
[04:01] <ChrisH> hornbeck: eek
[04:01] <hornbeck> I was using the -c everytime with htpasswd2
[04:01] <hornbeck> so it would overwrite the whole thing
[04:01] <ChrisH> :)
[04:01] <hornbeck> Sooooooo, I need everyone's passwords again :-)
[04:02] <hornbeck> everything else is fine, I am able to commit locally now
[04:02] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Nothing in the backup? ;)
[04:03] <hornbeck> I borked it right before last night's back up
[04:03] <hornbeck> so I am backing up twice a day now
[04:04] <ChrisH> then it will probably break three times a day :)
[04:05] <hornbeck> yeah
[04:05] <hornbeck> how often do you do backups?
[04:05] <ChrisH> I use afbackup with an incremental once a day and full once a week (at 4:30 CET).
[04:06] <hornbeck> ok, so I am not doing it wrong with a twice a day
[04:06] <ChrisH> Every quarter I run a full backup of core parts (documents, emails, repositories, web site) on DVD.
[04:06] <ChrisH> Once a day should be completely sufficient.
[04:06] <ChrisH> That reminds me... I should retire the current set of DAT tapes before they break.
[04:06] <hornbeck> I must say, running a server is fun, but alot more work than I thought
[04:07] <ChrisH> Indeed. Security. Configuration. Users...
[04:07] <hornbeck> I never gave you guys the credit you deserve
[04:12] <hornbeck> Do you run Hoary?
[04:18] <ChrisH> :)
[04:18] <ChrisH> No
[04:22] <hornbeck> yelp seems to be broken
[04:22] <ChrisH> hornbeck: What about the DNS entry? A repository with just an IP address is boring. :)
[04:22] <hornbeck> haha
[04:22] <hornbeck> do you have access to dns?
[04:23] <hornbeck> I have not gotten that far in figuring things out yet :-)
[04:26] <ChrisH> DNS is really weird. I already offered a hostname in the .workaround.org domain.
[04:26] <hornbeck> I have opensoftdesign.org
[04:26] <hornbeck> how would I make subdomains
[04:27] <hornbeck> like faq.opensoftdesign.org
[04:27] <hornbeck> or gnome-docs.opensoftdesign.org
[04:27] <hornbeck> those are really long though
[04:27] <ChrisH> Is the DNS server running on your machine?
[04:27] <hornbeck> no
[04:27] <hornbeck> good god, I have to learn DNS now to :-)
[04:29] <ChrisH> Don't mean to scare you but DNS is a little tricky
[04:29] <hornbeck> I am sure I could get it
[04:29] <ChrisH> Who is authoritative for that domain? Cause if it's your ISP you either need to change the domain information or at least set up a hidden primary server.
[04:30] <hornbeck> I set them up at freebsdportal.com
[04:30] <hornbeck> like three years ago
[04:30] <hornbeck> I used to have off site hosting
[04:31] <ChrisH> If you can let others do the DNS stuff. It can break a lot of things. And without a decent secondary server a single line problem can make the domain "unknown".
[04:32] <hornbeck> ahh
[04:32] <ChrisH> It took me quite a while to get it working. And as you remember just a week ago the secondary server failed which already cause a little chaos.
[04:33] <ChrisH> I've lost countless mails in the beginning until everything was set up fine.
[04:33] <hornbeck> man
[04:33] <ChrisH> If it wouldn't be such a hassle I'd probably do hidden-primary again.
[04:33] <hornbeck> I will have to research it
[04:34] <ChrisH> Have someone near you who is a little familiar with bind.
[04:34] <hornbeck> I could not get subversion working till I sat down and read a good deal of docs myself
[04:34] <hornbeck> I think I have someone
[04:34] <hornbeck> I have to go get my daughter from my wife real quick
[04:34] <hornbeck> be back in a bit
[04:53] <plovs> sivang, what bug?
[05:11] <sivang> the yelp hoary bug when browsing docs
[05:12] <hornbeck> yelp seems to be very broken in hoary
[05:13] <plovs> sivang, i do not have hoary yet
[05:14] <plovs> hornbeck, you might investigate copying to a remote server, automatically
[05:14] <sivang> horbeck : you willing to be my test subject ?  I have a supposed to be fixed package I created.
[05:14] <hornbeck> yes I will check it out
[05:14] <plovs> hornbeck, i so much hate tape (on windows)
[05:15] <hornbeck> I might look into coping to remote server
[05:15] <hornbeck> tape is not that bad
[05:15] <hornbeck> cd is not bad for right now
[05:15] <plovs> hornbeck, i never used tape on *nux
[05:15] <hornbeck> I thought about external drive
[05:15] <hornbeck> a mount -> copy -> unmount everynight
[05:16] <plovs> an old 486 with nfs is enough
[05:16] <hornbeck> I already have like 4 computers in this room
[05:16] <hornbeck> but I will see if I have something else to hook up
[05:16] <plovs> where will you put the new dell?
[05:17] <hornbeck> in place of the sony I am using right now
[05:17] <hornbeck> I could use the sony for backup
[05:17] <plovs> you have a cupboard with airco and ups?
[05:18] <hornbeck> I have them sitting on my desk and I have ups coming tomorrow
[05:18] <plovs> the small once are not that expensive on ebay, and a lot quiter
[05:18] <plovs> i have a bunch of comps at work and it drives me nuts
[05:18] <hornbeck> yeah, it is pretty loud in my office with all these
[05:18] <plovs> one amd, with a fan like a small airplane
[05:19] <plovs> hornbeck have you seen the new faq?
[05:20] <hornbeck> the docbook one?
[05:20] <plovs> hornbeck, i just can't compliment myself enough for it
[05:20] <plovs> :-)
[05:20] <plovs> hornbeck, yes but in bookform
[05:20] <hornbeck> I read through it
[05:20] <plovs> hornbeck, the one in a bunch of small docs
[05:20] <hornbeck> is it the one in svn right now?
[05:21] <hornbeck> OT: my boss moved three computers in his house to Ubuntu yesterday
[05:21] <hornbeck> he has never used linux before
[05:22] <plovs> hornbeck, and three in the same time? brave (or ...)
[05:23] <hornbeck> yeah, he took out all his windows boxes
[05:23] <hornbeck> he was that impressed
[05:23] <plovs> hornbeck, could you make a small write-up on pinning? i'm not goos at it but sivang would need it (before he blowse up his computer)
[05:24] <hornbeck> pinning?
[05:24] <plovs> hornbeck, maybe i found something already
[05:24] <hornbeck> what is pinning?
[05:24] <hornbeck> maybe I know it as something else
[05:24] <plovs> hornbeck, yes running one version of debian but installing packages of the other
[05:25] <hornbeck> ahhh, ok
[05:25] <hornbeck> that is called pinning?
[05:25] <plovs> yes
[05:25] <hornbeck> huh, learn something everyday
[05:25] <sivang> plovs : no I'm  ok :)
[05:25] <plovs> i'll write a small howto
[05:25] <hornbeck> sivang: you blowing stuff up
[05:25] <hornbeck> :-)
[05:25] <plovs> sivang, yeah right!
[05:26] <sivang> I fixed that package, I am going to put it somewhere so you'll be able to downlod it
[05:26] <sivang> and test.
[05:26] <plovs> sivang, i heard how you installed yelp from warty, wearing a helmet
[05:26] <plovs> sivang, cool!
[05:26] <sivang> got it fixed now,
[05:26] <sivang> so this is yelp from hoary :)
[05:26] <plovs> sivang, hornbeck needs it
[05:26] <sivang> btw, the pinnig is great!
[05:26] <sivang> thanks for the link
[05:26] <hornbeck> yes, hornbeck needs it
[05:26] <hornbeck> I want the link
[05:27] <sivang> I configured apt to do pinning and it's just rocks for develpoment process.
[05:27] <plovs> sivang, i'll do a write-up, you can check, ok?
[05:30] <sivang> everybody! please mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>everything you want me to do, I'm unable to keep track :)
[05:30] <sivang> this would be great as my todo list, and my tomboy lists are already outdated.
[05:30] <sivang> :)))
[05:30] <hornbeck> I don't want you to do anything :-p
[05:31] <plovs> your email-address got just harvested
[05:31] <plovs> now you'll get lots of email
[05:31] <plovs> hornbeck, i always try to make him do lots of things
[05:31] <hornbeck> haha
[05:32] <plovs> hornbeck, how is ssh?
[05:32] <hornbeck> broken
[05:32] <plovs> hornbeck, :-(
[05:32] <hornbeck> I also have no reason to have it open now
[05:32] <hornbeck> so I am not worried about it
[05:33] <plovs> hornbeck, ok
[05:33] <plovs> hornbeck, trac is supposed to be a nice frontend to subversion, you know it? http://www.edgewall.com/trac/
[05:33] <sivang> sahsa , please mail me ok? I that would enable me to track down one thing after another, I need this...ppllleeeaassse ! :)
[05:34] <sivang> hornbeck, also if you have anything for review :)
[05:34] <plovs> sivang, as soon as i have written it
[05:35] <sivang> ok, thanks
[05:35] <plovs> hornbeck, can you email me your apt/sources.list?
[05:35] <hornbeck> if I have anything for review it will go on the mailing list
[05:35] <plovs> from hoary?
[05:35] <hornbeck> ok
[05:35] <sivang> I have some strong mail filter there..:)
[05:35] <plovs> sivang, let me subscribe you to some lists then
[05:35] <sivang> hey hey hey :)
[05:35] <sivang> plovs! didn't mean that in such a way :)
[05:36] <hornbeck> plovs: on its way
[05:36] <sivang> I don't want to get mail from "F%$#%<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[05:36] <plovs> sivang, ;-)
[05:37] <hornbeck> well I have to give the kids baths
[05:37] <sivang> plovs : anyway, finally it's time to upload the gnome manual.
[05:37] <sivang> happy bath! for hornbeck's kids
[05:37] <sivang> :)
[05:37] <plovs> hornbeck, thanks and have fun
[05:37] <hornbeck> the gnome-manual is uploaded
[05:37] <hornbeck> <IP_ADDRESS>/gnome-docs
[05:37] <hornbeck> wrong address
[05:38] <hornbeck> <IP_ADDRESS>/gnome-docs
[05:38] <hornbeck> that is right
[05:38] <plovs> hornbeck, sivang, nice, i can finally check it out
[05:38] <sivang> hornbeck : this is the version I've given you? Did you do *any* changes since my version?
[05:38] <hornbeck> I put this all in the mails I have sent to the list
[05:38] <hornbeck> sivang: no
[05:38] <hornbeck> :-(
[05:39] <hornbeck> but you can check mine out, run a diff, patch it, and commit it back
[05:39] <hornbeck> I will be back in about 30 minutes
[05:40] <sivang> ok, no prob. C'ya!
[05:40] <sivang> it's good you didn't do any changes, it would spare me the diffs
[05:40] <sivang> :)
[05:41] <hornbeck> I am going to start making changes this week though
[05:41] <hornbeck> I have alot of time off this week, so docs are going to be getting done
[05:45] <plovs> hornbeck, good to hear
[05:45] <plovs> hornbeck, now go wash the kids!
[06:24] <plovs> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto
[06:26] <sivang> plovs : awsome!
[06:26] <sivang> awesome!
[06:26] <sivang> read it
[06:26] <sivang> how is that for a quick review?
[06:26] <sivang> :)
[06:28] <sivang> plovs : using hoary?
[06:29] <ChrisH> Information about "apt-cache policy" and the apt_preferences man page would be nice.
[06:30] <plovs> ChrisH, to that doc?
[06:31] <sivang> true, I already used the debian version of this document, so didn't think it was missing.
[06:31] <sivang> ChrisH : using hoary?
[06:31] <ChrisH> plovs: yup
[06:31] <ChrisH> sivang: I don't use hoary here.
[06:32] <sivang> ok, I have my package on the web,
[06:32] <ChrisH> sivang: Just pinned the ncpfs package so I can mount my novell share at work.
[06:32] <sivang> waiting to be tested..
[06:32] <sivang> :)
[06:34] <ChrisH> sivang: Looks good so far. Did you do it alone?
[06:35] <sivang> hhmm, no :(
[06:35] <sivang> just changed whatever I to change (some XSLT for yelp) and repackaged.
[06:35] <sivang> :)
[06:35] <sivang> I'm a fake :)
[07:06] <hornbeck> where is it at sivang
[07:06] <sivang> http://sivan.workaround.org/ubuntu
[07:08] <hornbeck> sivang: it did not fix my problems :-(
[07:08] <hornbeck> it installed fine but still will not render my files
[07:09] <sivang> hornbeck : you sure? I tested it over my system, over and over and it fixed my problem.
[07:09] <sivang> what was your problem?
[07:09] <hornbeck> "The file could not be processed"
[07:09] <hornbeck> on every doc
[07:09] <sivang> that's strange
[07:09] <sivang> take a look at the file:
[07:10] <sivang> /usr/share/xml/gnome/xslt/docbook/html/db2html.xsl
[07:10] <sivang> see if you have there:
[07:11] <sivang> 	 <!-- == db.xref.target == -->
[07:11] <sivang>   	 <xsl:template name="db.xref.target">
[07:11] <sivang>   	   <xsl:param name="linkend"/>
[07:11] <sivang>   	   <xsl:value-of select="concat('#', $linkend)"/>
[07:11] <sivang>   	 </xsl:template>
[07:11] <hornbeck> where at?
[07:11] <hornbeck> never mind
[07:12] <sivang> tell if you have this file anyways, it may be missing and I know the solution to this.
[07:12] <hornbeck> I don't even have the gnome directory
[07:12] <sivang> ok,
[07:12] <sivang> fix on the way :)
[07:12] <hornbeck> ok
[07:12] <sivang> I know exactly what to do!
[07:12] <sivang> :)
[07:12] <sivang> thanks john
[07:12] <hornbeck> :-) good
[07:23] <sivang> hornbeck : try again
[07:23] <sivang> dpkg --purge yelp
[07:23] <sivang> then download the new packages from the same location,
[07:23] <sivang> and install
[07:34] <hornbeck> ok
[07:34] <hornbeck> same name?
[07:34] <sivang> yes
[07:35] <sivang> find it on the same location http://sivan.workaround.org/ubuntu
[07:35] <hornbeck> same error
[07:37] <hornbeck> it did not fix it :-(
[07:39] <sivang> shit, could you see if now you have :
[07:39] <sivang> /usr/share/xml/gnome/xslt/docbook/html/db2html.xsl
[07:39] <sivang> ?
[07:45] <hornbeck> no I don't
[07:45] <hornbeck> I still don't have /usr/share/xml/gnome
[07:48] <sivang> ok, fixing..
[07:48] <sivang> thanks again - john
[07:49] <hornbeck> no problem, I need it fixed as much as you need to fix it :-)
[08:36] <hornbeck> hey enrico
[08:36] <enrico> hello everyone!
[08:37] <hornbeck> you see I finally got the subversion server running :-)
[08:37] <hornbeck> so I need user and pass for you
[08:37] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Are you confident we can migrate already?
[08:37] <hornbeck> I am fairly confident
[08:38] <hornbeck> I don't know of anything else I can do
[08:38] <ChrisH> Then let's do it, baby. ;)
[08:38] <hornbeck> if you can see something I am missing let me know
[08:38] <ChrisH> I'll complain a lot! :)
[08:38] <hornbeck> a big UPS is going to be put in place in the morning
[08:38] <hornbeck> I am working on another machine to rsync this one right now
[08:39] <ChrisH> hornbeck: what about that: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch05s03.html#svn-ch-5-sect-3.5
[08:39] <hornbeck> have not read that yet
[08:39] <ChrisH> Sounds simple.
[08:40] <hornbeck> have you done it before?
[08:40] <ChrisH> Not yet.
[08:40] <enrico> to migrate?  You just use svnadmin to do a dump
[08:40] <enrico> and then restore the dump
[08:40] <ChrisH> Yes... dump is done. :)
[08:40] <hornbeck> how different is the faq from what I have
[08:41] <hornbeck> plovs uploaded most the files last night
[08:41] <ChrisH> hornbeck: I suggest you use all old revisions, too. So you better erase your version and restore this over it.
[08:41] <ChrisH> hornbeck: The dump is at: http://workaround.org/faq.dump
[08:41] <hornbeck> ok
[08:42] <hornbeck> let me read this over real quick
[08:42] <hornbeck> so I don't screw it up :-)
[08:42] <ChrisH> enrico: Is it just "svnadmin load dumpfile"?
[08:42] <enrico> yes
[08:43] <ChrisH> enrico: And I guess everybody needs to "svn switch" to the new repository...
[08:43] <hornbeck> do I completely erase what I had?
[08:44] <enrico> No: svnadmin load should just add the things in the dump. I don't know what happens if you have things in the dump and in the repo, though (but you can specify a REPOS_PATH for the load oepration)
[08:44] <hornbeck> svnadmin dump myrepos | svnadmin load newrepos
[08:44] <hornbeck> would that work?
[08:44] <ChrisH> Probably not. "dump" is what I did.
[08:45] <hornbeck> ok
[08:45] <hornbeck> I am going to try this :-)
[08:45] <hornbeck> I will let you know
[08:47] <hornbeck> Can't open file "faq.dump/format': Not a directory
[08:47] <enrico> hornbeck: did you create the new repository first?
[08:47] <hornbeck> yes
[08:48] <enrico> is the new repository called faq.dump?
[08:48] <hornbeck> no it is called faq
[08:48] <hornbeck> the dump file is called faq.dump
[08:49] <enrico> What was the command you gave?
[08:50] <enrico> Did you say svnadmin load faq.dump?
[08:50] <hornbeck> svnadmin load faq.dump
[08:50] <enrico> do svnadmin load faq < faq.dump
[08:51] <enrico> the parameter to svnadmin load is the repository, not the dump file
[08:51] <enrico> the dump file goes in stdin
[08:51] <hornbeck> that worked
[08:51] <hornbeck> :-)
[08:51] <hornbeck> it loaded
[08:52] <hornbeck> crap something went wrong
[08:53] <hornbeck> I fixed it
[08:53] <hornbeck> ok the repository is up and running
[08:53] <hornbeck> :-)
[08:53] <ChrisH> What is the official URL?
[08:54] <hornbeck> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/faq
[08:54] <hornbeck> I will work on actual domain names
[08:54] <enrico> hornbeck: is that a static IP?
[08:54] <hornbeck> yes
[08:54] <ChrisH> So everybody needs to run: svn switch --relocate http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq http://<IP_ADDRESS>/faq
[08:57] <hornbeck> and I just backed up so the repository is nice and backed up
[08:58] <enrico> Relocate worked great here
[08:58] <hornbeck> good deal
[09:02] <hornbeck> well I am going to go and start doing some work for today
[09:02] <hornbeck> I will be checking in
[09:02] <hornbeck> email if something goes wrong with the server
[09:03] <enrico> hornbeck: please tell if you need help in registering names
[09:05] <hornbeck> domain names ?
[09:05] <enrico> hornbeck: yes
[09:05] <hornbeck> I could use some help yes
[09:06] <enrico> hornbeck: Did you have any plans for it?
[09:06] <hornbeck> not really
[09:07] <sivang> hornbeck : apt-get install gnome-doc-utils, then if you already installed my package, try again.
[09:07] <sivang> if not, remove any former yelp packages, and install mine's.
[09:07] <enrico> hornbeck: I'll ask if there is some nameserver namespace we can fiddle with, then
[09:07] <hornbeck> ubuntudoc.org would be nice :-)
[09:08] <hornbeck> sivang: that worked :-)
[09:08] <sivang> yeeha!
[09:08] <hornbeck> I was missing that package
[09:08] <sivang> I'm your savior :)
[09:08] <hornbeck> yes
[09:09] <hornbeck> now I can check my own work
[09:09] <sivang> I needed it so bad, so I figured I'll just go and fix it.
[09:09] <hornbeck> thats cool
[09:10] <sivang> btw, the title page thingy still won't work - it's code in working, so it would be fixed until 2.10 goes out.
[09:10] <sivang> meaning, the code for it has not yet been written by upstream.
[09:10] <hornbeck> right
[09:11] <sivang> but I think most of the browsing on the right side will now work :)
[09:12] <hornbeck> I just needed it so I could check my book
[09:12] <hornbeck> make sure there was no errors
[09:16] <enrico> I'll be back in a couple of hours
[09:19] <plovs> hornbeck, i haven't followed the conversation, should we use your svn now, or not yet?
[09:21] <hornbeck> plovs: yes
[09:21] <plovs> ChrisH, i can not connect to http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080
[09:21] <hornbeck> ChrisH's server is no more
[09:21] <plovs> hornbeck, ok, let me checkout yours then
[09:22] <hornbeck> ok, we exported his repository to mine
[09:22] <hornbeck> if you read the log they said how to use svn switch for it
[09:23] <plovs> hornbeck, what is the link?
[09:23] <plovs> <IP_ADDRESS>/faq ?
[09:23] <hornbeck> yes
[09:24] <hornbeck> please don't tell me its not working
[09:24] <hornbeck> plovs: have you ever used gpg before?
[09:25] <plovs> hornbeck, first it did not work, then i removed the faq dir and now it worked!
[09:25] <plovs> hornbeck, hardly
[09:25] <plovs> hornbeck, but i want to learn
[09:25] <hornbeck> I made my key
[09:25] <hornbeck> now I don't know how to use it :-)
[09:25] <hornbeck> plovs: did you use svn switch?
[09:25] <hornbeck> or just svn update?
[09:26] <plovs> hornbeck, i have a dir called Chris and a dir called John :-)
[09:26] <hornbeck> ahh
[09:26] <hornbeck> well all the old stuff out of my faq was deleted
[09:26] <hornbeck> than we moved his over
[09:26] <plovs> hornbeck, i'll test it now
[09:26] <hornbeck> ok
[09:27] <plovs> hornbeck, it works great
[09:28] <hornbeck> good deal
[09:28] <hornbeck> plovs: have you sent elmo your gpg key?
[09:28] <plovs> hornbeck, i haven't made one yet
[09:28] <hornbeck> damn
[09:28] <hornbeck> I am working on it but don't really get what I am supposed to use out of the output
[09:29] <plovs> let me find some docs on it, time to learn something new
[09:30] <hornbeck> I am reading the howto right now
[09:30] <plovs> which one? link?
[09:31] <hornbeck> http://webber.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto-3.html#ss3.1
[09:32] <hornbeck> I think I may have figured out how to get the key
[09:32] <hornbeck> gpg --export -a
[09:32] <hornbeck> will give me a full key
[09:32] <hornbeck> now I just need to learn how to use it
[09:38] <plovs> hornbeck, ok, made a key as well
[09:38] <hornbeck> have you figured out the key id?
[09:39] <plovs> hornbeck, still reading
[09:39] <hornbeck> I would like to be able to add this to evolution
[09:41] <hornbeck> cool I got it
[09:43] <plovs> in evolution?
[09:44] <hornbeck> yeah
[09:44] <plovs> how?
[09:45] <hornbeck> one sec
[09:46] <hornbeck> you have to gpg --list-secret-keys
[09:46] <hornbeck> than it gives a output
[09:46] <hornbeck> looks like this
[09:47] <hornbeck> sec   1024D/Number 2004-11-14 Name
[09:47] <hornbeck> the Number you put into your evolution account
[09:47] <hornbeck> tools, settings, edit your account
[09:47] <hornbeck> than security
[09:47] <hornbeck> so now I will mail out with my key
[09:51] <plovs> hornbeck, ok, got it, now i have to wait until my gmail account is updated for pop
[09:51] <hornbeck> thats cool
[09:51] <hornbeck> I wonder if mine is
[09:51] <hornbeck> hmmm
[09:57] <hornbeck> hey trickie
[09:57] <trickie> hornbeck: hello!
[09:57] <hornbeck> hows it going?
[09:58] <trickie> trickie: ah not too bad... monday morning at work :(
[09:58] <hornbeck> where are you located?
[09:59] <trickie> hornbeck: melbourne, australia
[09:59] <trickie> hornbeck: u?
[09:59] <hornbeck> Lawton, Oklahoma, USA
[09:59] <hornbeck> it is 3:00pm Sunday afternoon
[09:59] <trickie> hornbeck: ah... sunday afternoon... very nice
[10:00] <plovs> trickie, you just made our day!
[10:00] <trickie> plovs: yeah?
[10:00] <plovs> trickie, yeah, you're at work and we still enjoy our weekend
[10:00] <trickie> plovs: ha ha ha enjoy!
[10:01] <hornbeck> yep
[10:01] <plovs> trickie, friday it will be the other way around, 5 days to go
[10:01] <hornbeck> haha
[10:01] <hornbeck> yeah
[10:01] <plovs> trickie, hang in there
[10:01] <trickie> plovs: thats right... you guys just wait :)
[10:02] <hornbeck> well I am going to buy some groceries
[10:02] <hornbeck> be back afterwards
[10:02] <plovs> hornbeck, see ya
[10:02] <trickie> hornbeck: see ya
[10:02] <trickie> ChrisH: you around?
[10:03] <sivang> trickie : he felt bad, went to bed I think
[10:03] <sivang> how you been trickie?
[10:03] <trickie> sivang: yeah great...
[10:04] <trickie> sivang: was just gonna ask him for some svn access... that was me who sent through the patch on the mailing-list, then i remembered he wouldn't know that :)
[10:04] <trickie> sivang: how are you?
[10:04] <sivang> AH I think I've seen it,
[10:04] <sivang> regarding some XSLT right?
[10:04] <trickie> yeah
[10:05] <trickie> chunking the faq into multiple files
[10:05] <sivang> I'm fine thanks, fixed the yelp bug today - if you are using hoary, you might want to use my pacakge :)
[10:05] <plovs> trickie, it's hornbeck who gives out svn keys nowadays
[10:05] <trickie> ah ok... is it in the repos? just do an update?
[10:05] <sivang> yeah, svn@hornbeck, pleased to server you! :)
[10:05] <sivang> erggh
[10:05] <plovs> trickie, we moved to his server
[10:05] <sivang> serve
[10:05] <trickie> ah ok...
[10:05] <plovs> sivang, surf
[10:06] <trickie> well i might ask him abit later...
[10:06] <trickie> well guys... i gotta get into some work... so i will be around but mainly just observing...
[10:06] <trickie> talk to you all soon
[10:06] <plovs> trickie, see ya
[10:06] <sivang> laterz buddy
[10:21] <plovs> sivang, what does the GNU FDL license mean? Free Documentation License i used a doc with this license as base for pinninghowto
[10:22] <plovs> the wiki is so slow it almost goes backwards
[10:28] <sivang> yes, noticed, btw, have you looked at http://home.twcny.rr.com/nerode/neroden/fdl.html ?
[10:35] <plovs> sivang, thanks for the link
[10:35] <plovs> good night all!
[10:35] <sivang> night plovs!
[11:04] <robertj> howdy all
[11:04] <sivang> hey roberttj
[11:04] <sivang> robertj
[11:04] <sivang> what's up?
[11:04] <robertj> Not alot
[11:04] <robertj> I heard there was serious talk of a book running around
[11:05] <sivang> a book abount Ubuntu ?
[11:05] <robertj> yup
[11:07] <sivang> you interested?
[11:07] <robertj> might be
[11:08] <sivang> it's hoenbeck you should be talking to :) are you interested in conributing?
[11:08] <robertj> Perhaps, I still don't know much about it
[11:08] <robertj> everything I see reads "It could be this, or that. What a great idea!"
[11:09] <sivang> haha
[11:09] <sivang> I thought I've seen you on -devel previosuly, are you a developer?
[11:10] <robertj> no, I just hang around there because I've got questions that tend to creep over the scope of normal user questions
[11:11] <sivang> Ah nice
[11:12] <sivang> will you be interested in contributing to ubuntu doc front?
[11:12] <robertj> That's very probable
[11:12] <robertj> I'm interested in a very concise manual
[11:13] <robertj> maybe a part 1. Ubuntu Linux part 2. Default Applications
[11:13] <robertj> A clickity-click-click guide through Ubuntu
[11:15] <sivang> have you seen Hornbeck's last post to our list?
[11:16] <robertj> Yeah
[11:17] <sivang> that's what brough you here?
[11:17] <robertj> Well, just kind of interested to tell the truth
[11:19] <sivang> ok, that's nice. What truth is it ? ;)
[11:19] <robertj> but this is a brief stop by
[11:20] <robertj> in 10 minutes I have to log off and get ready to head out
[11:28] <robertj> ill be back later
[11:36] <sivang> yo trickie
[11:37] <trickie> yo
[11:38] <sivang> feeling at home already? :)
[11:38] <trickie> sivang: i might be a bit hard to talk to today... at work... doing work :)
[11:38] <trickie> sivang: yeah for sure
[11:38] <trickie> sivang: i am so excitied to be helping out... finally feel like i have a grasp on how to get taks to do ect
[11:39] <sivang> great.
[11:39] <sivang> has someone finally put the todo list I have been promising?
[11:39] <sivang> :)
[11:39] <trickie> sivang: looking forward to diving into that list too
[11:39] <trickie> :)
[11:40] <sivang> ok, great. I will have it sometime soon, let's say by the end of this week?
[11:40] <sivang> :)
[11:40] <sivang> nahh, tommorow
[11:40] <sivang> be better.
[11:52] <trickie> sivang: cool
[11:56] <skyrider> hi, guys
[11:56] <littlegreenman> hei
[11:59] <skyrider> can you load https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToGetHelpRussian ?
[11:59] <skyrider> I try to do this, but no result
[11:59] <skyrider> :(
[12:00] <skyrider> it's very strange because I can load almost all other wiki pages