[00:02] <yagami> !ask
[00:02] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:03] <yagami> thank
[00:03] <yagami> ok i d like to know how to install a driver for my ethernet card
[00:04] <yagami> actually i have a problem with the ethernet and graphic card too
[00:08] <yagami> ?
[00:09] <user_> hey all.  just need a sounding board here (been googling for quite some time) - is there a good but simple photo editor for linux?  I dl'ed GIMP, but the learning curve is pretty tough.  I liked PSP Photo in Windows- is there anything like that?
[00:10] <user_> I also got Xnview, but its too limited.  anything middle-of-the-road
[00:12] <XxValetexX> olá pessoas
[00:12] <XxValetexX> :p
[00:23] <ijn> hi al
[00:25] <vzduch> who's Al?
[00:26] <ijn> make it +l
[00:26] <ijn>  :]
[00:28] <ijn>  O:)
[00:29] <rencore_> i get  a gtk error and it says something about setuid
[00:29] <rencore_> any ideas?
[00:29] <vzduch> exact error msg & context pls
[00:29] <rencore_> cant get a screenshot cuz the session only lasts less than 10 seconds when i try running kde4
[00:29] <ijn> how to disable the icon app that jump any time you open apps in kde
[00:30] <Dr_willis> Its in the settings thats launch feedvback i recall.
[00:30] <rencore_> how do i run kde4
[00:31] <counterpoint>  Hello  can anyone  assist me
[00:31] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  and the problem is?
[00:31] <pexi> rencore_: you only have read it at http://www.kubuntu.org
[00:32] <counterpoint>   I have make serveral attempts to download  a 386  alternative image and each  on was  corrupt
[00:32] <vzduch> ijn: Kcontrol -> Appearance -> Program launch display (or so; I have a German desktop)
[00:33] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  interesting. What are you downlioading it with?
[00:33] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  did you try gettting it from different locations?
[00:33] <rencore_> pexi i did read it and when i select kde4 as the session it doesnt load
[00:33] <rencore_> :(
[00:34] <counterpoint>  yes I  did , the  cd seems to burn ok and I test them , but  the files one the image was corrupted
[00:34] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. you did check the md5sum after downloading it?
[00:34] <pexi> rencore_: I get an error too
[00:34] <rencore_> what is urs pexi?
[00:35] <pexi> but I created a new user only for run kde4 and it works
[00:35] <rencore_> how?
[00:36] <pexi> just type  in a terminal: sudo adduser testKde4
[00:36] <counterpoint> yes ,, that what mean when I said that I  test it .... but the ce integrty always fail
[00:36] <pexi> and try to start kde with the new user
[00:36] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  You may want to try downloading it with a torrent client, or some other download manager tool.  You might also want to test the cd image in virtualbox or vmware.
[00:37] <counterpoint>  should I use a DvD  or  CD i image
[00:38] <counterpoint>     which site to  you suggest
[00:38] <rencore_> pexi i get this
[00:38] <rencore_> adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured
[00:38] <rencore_> via the NAME_REGEX[_SYSTEM] configuration variable.  Use the `--force-badname'
[00:38] <rencore_> option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX or NAME_REGEX_SYSTEM.
[00:38] <rencore_> meh should have pastebinned sorry
[00:39] <Dr_willis> I think user names need to be lowercase
[00:40] <mox69__> rencore: It doesnt like the username you are trying to add, possibly it has an invalid character or too long, short , etc
[00:41] <Dagon> adept keeps crashing -- how do I fix it?
[00:41] <counterpoint>  Dr_willis  what site do you recommend
[00:41] <Dr_willis> counterpoint,  i normally grab mine at the disrtowatch web site.
[00:41] <Dr_willis> but  i used torrents recently.
[00:43] <counterpoint>  Oh ,   by the  way I  am using  Roxio 6
[00:43] <counterpoint>  sorry that I miss  your question
[00:43] <Dr_willis> You might want to use a dedicated iso burning tool also - like 'burn at once'
[00:44] <counterpoint> ok,  thinks for  your help
[00:45] <lingard> does anyone know how to reduce the streaming bandwith with kaffeine?
[00:46] <Dagon> adept keeps crashing. How do I fix it?
[00:46] <QDVDAuthor> Guys, any one intersted in a contest for the best template for QDVDAuthor ?
[00:46] <lingard> use synaptic instead of adept
[00:47] <vzduch> use apt-get instead of synaptic or adept :P
[00:47] <lingard> lol
[00:48] <holo> apt-get is deprecated
[00:48] <holo> use aptitude instead
[00:48] <hydrogen> except that aptitude still does bad things
[00:48] <Dagon> how do I install synaptic if adept is working?
[00:48] <LjL> apt-get ain't deprecated on ubuntu
[00:48] <hydrogen> like make assumptions that I want to do things
[00:48] <hydrogen> when I didn't tell it to
[00:48] <vzduch> apt-get isn't deprecated
[00:49] <holo> hmm
[00:49] <ardchoille> holo: apt-get is not deprecated
[00:49] <holo> i will find where i read this
[00:49] <holo> ok, I read the first time
[00:49] <vzduch> Synaptic and Adept are graphical frontends to apt-get
[00:49] <LjL> holo, on *debian* aptitude is recommended. we're not debian.
[00:49] <LjL> vzduch: no
[00:49] <hydrogen> "What, you want to install this package? okay, let me remove these ten packages at the same time.. i'm sure you don't really want to keep them"
[00:49] <LjL> vzduch: Synaptic, Adept *and apt-get* (and aptitude) are all frontends to APT
[00:50] <LjL> hydrogen: perhaps some of those 10 packages would conflict anyway
[00:50] <hydrogen> no
[00:50] <hydrogen> they wouldn't
[00:50] <limac> hey
[00:50]  * vzduch doesn't like aptitude, as it treats recommended pkgs as 'hard' dependencies
[00:50] <limac> why is celeron considered a bad processor????
[00:51] <hydrogen> they were packages that apt saw as no longer needed.. apt-get tells me that they are no longer necessary, and that I can remove them if I tell it to, aptitude assumes that I want to remove them
[00:51] <compbrain> limac: its underpowered?
[00:51] <holo> LjL: ok, so apt-get (frontend to APT) is deprecated in debian.
[00:51] <limac> compbrain: expand :D
[00:52] <jhutchins> Celerons usually have less L2 cache and don't perform as well as the same plain intel chip, in exchange for which they use less power and create less heat.
[00:52] <jhutchins> Typically they're thought of as a "laptop" chip, but also used in cheap or specialty systems.
[00:53] <jhutchins> Kind of like a Xenon is perceived as being a top-end server chip for the same model run.
[00:53] <limac> i no i have a laptop (not a robust comp)
[00:53] <limac> so is AMD good or is intel better?
[00:54] <jhutchins> limac: Depends on what you want.
[00:54] <limac> what's ur opinion?
[00:54] <jhutchins> limac: Generally right now, Intell is beating AMD both on top performance and performance per price.
[00:54] <limac> which is a more robust one?
[00:55] <jhutchins> You need to pick something - price, clock speed, performance goal - then compare various different processors that meet that criteria.  It depends on what you can get the chip for.
[00:56] <jhutchins> limac: The core 2 duo processors perform very well and give good value for the price.
[00:56] <limac> so which chip is a good one if i want to perform high-end apps on the comuter???
[00:56] <jhutchins> limac: Depends on what you mean.
[00:56] <jhutchins> limac: Xenons tend to handle multi-tasking servers better, but you pay for the extra performance.
[00:57] <limac> like say a long compilation of a c++
[00:57] <jhutchins> limac: I would say that if a core 2 duo is in your price range, it's the best bet.
[00:57] <jhutchins> limac: Then again, you need to ask how many cores you want.
[00:57] <limac> how much is it now days??
[00:58] <wladek> hi.  i'm running kubuntu 7.10 with an nvidia graphics card.  i was unable to use the default driver (stability problem) that came with the distribution so i followed the steps to install the driver from nvidia's site.  everything seems to be working fine, but i'm having an issue when opening new windows on my multiple display desktop.  when i open new windows they open strattled against both displays.  also, if i fullscreen a video
[00:58] <wladek>  it does the same thing.  anyone know how i can get remedy this situation?
[00:58] <jhutchins> limac: For a database server that's going to have some 250 systems connecting to it and doing queries and writes every few seconds, we rejected a dual core server and requested that they go with quad core.
[00:58] <jhutchins> limac: You need to check some of the web sites that do hardware reviews.
[00:58] <jhutchins> limac: See what's best for your purposes.
[00:58] <limac> jhutchins: thx and did u yet use the quad-core proc?
[00:59]  * compbrain is using a dual quad core
[00:59] <jhutchins> limac: Haven't arrived yet.
[00:59] <limac> compbrain: how do u like it?
[00:59] <compbrain> Its damn peppy
[01:00] <limac> jhutchins: of course did! i saw it in Bestbuy!
[01:00] <limac> :)
[01:00] <jhutchins> limac: In our case, the quad core will scale well, because we're doing lots of seperate transactions.
[01:00] <limac> compbrain: wat do u mean peppy?
[01:00] <compbrain> limac: Its quite fast for the workload I present
[01:00] <limac> sweet
[01:00] <jhutchins> On the other hand, if I were running it as a desktop, a lot of processes wouldn't be any faster than a single-core AMD, becuase they don't multi-thread.
[01:01] <compbrain> Dell had a free upsell from a single dual core to a dual quad core, so its quite nice
[01:01] <jhutchins> When I built the box I'm on now, I could get an AMD that performed better than the Intell chip I could get for about the same price, so I went with AMD.
[01:01] <compbrain> Single threaded perfrmance is less than that of my AMD X2, but thats mostly a clock speed issue
[01:01] <limac> compbrain: would u suggest me that for like long compilation (c++)
[01:02] <limac> ?
[01:02] <compbrain> limac: If you can convince the compiler to use more than one thread, a multi-core processor will do you good.
[01:02] <jhutchins> limac: compilation can use multi-processing well, so more cores at lower clockspeeds will help.
[01:02] <compbrain> The Core 2 line is getting alot of positive feedback currently
[01:02] <jhutchins> For programs that don't thread as well as compilation does, higher clock speed with fewer cores will give you better performance.
[01:03] <jhutchins> limac: There's no single "best" answer.
[01:03] <jhutchins> limac: Even if there were, that would drive the price of the "best" CPU up until it wasn't as good a deal any more.
[01:03] <limac> I'll look
[01:03] <limac> for DESKTOPS
[01:03] <limac> and no more lappys
[01:03] <limac> for me
[01:03] <jhutchins> The Core 2 duos are getting such positive reviews it's driving the lower-performance AMD's prices down, so you might be able to find a faster AMD for a lower price.
[01:04] <jhutchins> limac: You can also use distcc and compile simultaneously on multiple machines for big jobs.
[01:04] <jhutchins> limac: Tom's Hardware is a good site for reviews and performance specs.
[01:05] <jhutchins> compbrain: I had a core 2 duo macbook for a month, that was a pretty nice system.
[01:06] <limac> where can i get the reviews from??
[01:06] <limac> free
[01:07] <NickPresta> limac, www.tomshardware.com is great. Their CPU chart should give you some ideas of performance.
[01:17] <wladek> hey.. how do i setup x server so when i spawn new windows they're not straddled across both my displays?
[01:18] <flaccid> how would you like it?
[01:18] <flaccid> im not sure on your question actually
[01:19] <flaccid> if you have dual display, it should stretch the display it spawns on
[01:19] <flaccid> not across both by default
[01:19] <wladek> when i spawn new windows they appear straddled across both displays
[01:20] <wladek> when i used the original restricted nvidia driver.. it did something to xserver new windows wouldnt behave like this
[01:20] <wladek> but im not sure what it was
[01:20] <wladek> and now that i had to setup the nvidia driver manually i don't have this behaviour anymore
[01:20] <Kingzar> !screenlet
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenlet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <Kingzar> how do i installl screenlet manager
[01:21] <limac> !celeron
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about celeron - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <limac> !ubuntu
[01:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[01:22] <wladek> also when i fullscreen a video it straddles the video across both screens as opposed to full screen'ing to the display it's currently in :/
[01:22] <Kingzar> How do i install screenlets
[01:24] <Dr_willis> I think you download the soruce from the screenlets web site
[01:24] <flaccid> wladek: ah yeah thats an nvidia property in xorg.conf i think. but i can't remember. #nvidia or google should help
[01:24] <Dr_willis> http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/Download
[01:25] <Dr_willis> wladek,  twinview is supposed to take care of that. If you enable twinview wih the nvidia settings tool. You still need to restart the X server for it to work properly
[01:25] <Kingzar> thanks Dr_willis
[01:26] <wladek> i'm already using twinview.  doesnt seem to do the trick
[01:27] <ibilic> every time I log in, I have to turn my external USB disk on and off for it to be detected... do you know why?
[01:27] <Dr_willis> what player are you ussing wladek ?  and how did you enable twinview?
[01:27] <flaccid> maybe pastebin the xorg.conf to see if its in there
[01:27] <Dr_willis> ibilic,  if the drive is always goign to be atatched. You could  just make a fstab entry for it.
[01:27] <wladek> vlc player.  i enabled twinview using nvidia-settings
[01:27] <NickPresta> wladek, I use twinview and "fullscreen" videos aren't actually fullscreen. They open up fully on a single display. Games are another story, however.
[01:28] <Dr_willis> wladek,  and did you restart the X server after enabling it?
[01:28] <flaccid> yeah nvidia-settings is a frontend to xorg.conf pretty much
[01:28] <wladek> yeah, i've restarted xserver
[01:28] <wladek> you want me to pastebin my xorg.conf ?
[01:28] <Dr_willis> vlc fullscreens on the monitor its the 'most' on - here. for me. I can only think of a few apps that are brain dead and try to take up both displays
[01:28] <flaccid> hmmm, there is that setting but with nvidia to make it stretch
[01:29] <flaccid> on windows it gives you an extra button on the window to do it
[01:30] <Dr_willis> heres my xorg.conf  set up for twinview. 1 dvi monitor and a tv out.
[01:30] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/m4cdad4c3
[01:30] <Dr_willis>     Option         "Xinerama" "0"  i THINK may be imporntant :)
[01:30] <flaccid> i love xrandr :)
[01:31] <flaccid> cool
[01:31] <flaccid> wonder if wladek has an extra directive
[01:31] <NickPresta> wladek, our xorg.conf's are almost identical
[01:32] <flaccid> where is wladek's?
[01:32] <wladek> i only have one screen directive
[01:32] <lascar> !w32codecs
[01:32] <ubotu> The Win32 codecs are available from the Medibuntu repositories (see « /msg ubotu medibuntu »), and for releases prior to Gutsy, also at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[01:32] <wladek> one sec.. ill pastebin it
[01:32] <NickPresta> oh wait, I was speaking to Dr_willis :)
[01:33] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:33] <wladek> http://pastebin.org/11750
[01:33] <r0y4l> if i try to start kde with kdm, i'm always returned to kdm....
[01:33] <r0y4l> if i start kde with "startx" as same user, it works, but after "log out" this kde session no tty is reachable (strg+alt+f1, etc.) everything black
[01:33] <wolfger> hey guys. Quick question:
[01:33] <r0y4l> no .xsession-errors errors, and no Xorg.0.log errors...
[01:33] <wladek> maybe it's stretching because i only have the one screen setup for both displays?
[01:34] <wolfger> In Konversation, is there any way to show a split view of multiple chat rooms at once?
[01:35] <flaccid> r0y4l: what about in normal operation. if you start computer does kdm work fine and shutdown ok?
[01:35] <r0y4l> flaccid: kdm starts fine, but i can't login
[01:35] <r0y4l> flaccid: i'm always returned to kdm...
[01:35] <r0y4l> flaccid: some seconds black screens, then kdm
[01:35] <flaccid> ok
[01:36] <r0y4l> i don't changed anything in my last session, i only did some ssh work, that's it (not local, remote ssh work)
[01:36] <r0y4l> i had this problem so often now...
[01:36] <r0y4l> it sucks that i have always to rebuild everything like remote places, kicker, etc.
[01:36] <r0y4l> but i don't know what goes wrong
[01:37] <flaccid> r0y4l: if you create a new user and log in
[01:37] <flaccid> same thing?
[01:37] <r0y4l> flaccid: mom i'll try
[01:37] <flaccid> k
[01:39] <r0y4l> flaccid: then i get "could not launch kstartupconfig"
[01:40] <r0y4l> flaccid: sorry i forgot to create homedir
[01:40] <r0y4l> flaccid: now kde starts..
[01:40] <r0y4l> but it sucks that i now have to set up everything again
[01:40] <flaccid> welcome to kde
[01:40] <flaccid> i've had this same problem
[01:41] <flaccid> its common more with ubuntu so im not sure who is mainly at fault
[01:41] <flaccid> its usually a corrupted kde config file
[01:41] <flaccid> finding out which one it is can be as painful as working out which windows driver is preventing startup...
[01:41] <flaccid> #kde guys might be able to help
[01:41] <r0y4l> can't i locate this corrupt file? as i said thats not the first time....
[01:41] <r0y4l> :(
[01:42] <maduser> yeah
[01:42] <maduser> what happened?
[01:42] <flaccid> im not sure how besides looking at logs. but #kde guy should be able to help
[01:43] <jager> how does one get superkaramba widgets onto the compiz widget layer?
[01:43] <tehm0nk-otherpc> OK so i'm formating everything and i want to know if i should install windows XP first or Kubuntu first?
[01:44] <jager> XP first
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> xp first
[01:44] <tehm0nk-otherpc> argh k
[01:45] <tehm0nk-otherpc> What boot partitioning software whould i use?
[01:46] <Kingzar> Who can help me with screenlets!? i downloaded the files from www.screenlet.org, and the installl instructions says sudo make install but there is no install file in the directory !!
[01:48] <Kingzar> Who can help me with screenlets!? i downloaded the files from www.screenlet.org, and the installl instructions says sudo make install but there is no install file in the directory !!
[01:48] <Kingzar> !screenlet
[01:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about screenlet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:49] <sfears> hello
[01:50] <SubNet> Hi there - anybody still there?
[01:50] <lascar> !libdvdcss
[01:50] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:50] <lascar> do i even need libdvdcss?
[01:50] <Kingzar> dependss
[01:50] <Kingzar> i don have it
[01:50] <Kingzar> i still play dvds
[01:50] <SubNet> Does anybody know how I can list ext3-HDs under media:// by there Labels?
[01:51] <lascar> figured as much
[01:51] <newguyss> hi, any advice about which DC++ client I could get
[01:51] <newguyss> ?
[01:54] <sfears> what is DC++
[01:54] <sfears> ??
[01:55] <tehm0nk-otherpc> no one knows a good boot cd partitioner?
[01:55] <jager> you can use qtpartedit
[01:55] <jager> from a knoppix cd or something
[01:55] <sfears> what is knoppix?
[01:55] <jager> however just using 1/2 the drive or whatever in the windows installer should be sufficient
[01:55] <jager> linux that runs from a cd
[01:56] <sfears> got cha
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> well i'm going to format all
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then install XP
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then... kubuntu
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> running into too many problems the other way
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> downgrading makes me sad
[01:56] <tehm0nk-otherpc> vista was so pretty.
[01:56] <sfears> vista is pretty
[01:56] <jager> heh compiz is prettier anyway
[01:57] <jager> if i could just get my widget layer working
[01:57] <counterpoint> Hello  DR_willis thank for you  help
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> yeah but
[01:57]  * jager weeps
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> vista for gaming = 30 less fps
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> and uh oh well
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> vista didn't have validation problems for me...
[01:57] <tehm0nk-otherpc> so that is why i stuck with it
[01:57] <SudoKing> Can you remove a folder with sudo rm?
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> seeing how i can basically run wow on kubuntu with vmware i beleive...
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i'm just sticking xp there for backup
[01:58] <SubNet> SudoKing: sudo rm -R /folder/path
[01:58] <SudoKing> thanks you
[01:58] <flaccid> pista
[01:58] <SubNet> SudoKing: but be careful - that can rm your whole System if used the wrong way !!!
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> should i just partition at least the windows parts with the xp installed?
[01:58] <tehm0nk-otherpc> then... fix the gaps with kubuntu?
[01:59] <sfears> does anyone know of a low level formating program available on linux.. one that would let me format a hard drive hooked up thru a usb/ide cable
[01:59] <Kingzar> jager: whatś widget layer in compiz for anyways?
[01:59] <SudoKing> thanks, subnet, done, without wrecking my system :P
[01:59] <SubNet> :-)
[01:59] <SubNet> nice to hear tht Sudo
[01:59] <jager> like dashboard on macs
[01:59] <jager> put superkaramba stuff on it
[01:59] <jager> at least so they say i'm working on it :p
[01:59] <Kingzar> I had superkaramba
[02:00] <Kingzar> no clue what to do with it
[02:00] <SubNet> so nobody knows how to tweak media:/ to show the Disk-Labels of ext3-Partitions?
[02:00] <Kingzar> iḿ trying to figure screenlets out now instaed of superkaramba ;P
[02:00] <Kingzar> can i use screenlets on my widget layer?
[02:01] <jager> yes
[02:02] <jager> aha!
[02:02] <drarem> can i set up a gaming linux box as an 'audio' server, so that I don't need a splitter or multiple inputs to run my other gaming box through the audio?
[02:02] <blmm> I somehow lost the Kubuntu tweak to open removable media as /media rather than using an ioslave. Where is this setting? How do I restore it? I have kubuntu-default-settings installed.
[02:03] <Kingzar> whatś the gedit command for kubuntu?
[02:03] <blmm> Or should I remove some KDE package?
[02:03] <drarem> gedit ?
[02:03] <SubNet> Kingzar: kate
[02:04] <Kingzar> sudo gedit = sudo kate
[02:04] <sfears> if you open a hard drive will it be ruined forever?
[02:04] <SubNet> blmm: mounting external Devices is done by hald ...
[02:04] <SubNet> Kingzar: yes
[02:04] <holycow> what app controls the resolution in kde?
[02:05] <drarem> Kingzar - or gksudo  ?
[02:05] <holycow> i'm playing around with kde4 beta, i'm hoping its the same app as in kde3
[02:05] <SubNet> hald is the H_ardware A_bstraction L_ayer D_eamon
[02:05] <blmm> I think it is mounted OK, just that it opens using system:// rather than /media. I can manually go to the /media equivalent.
[02:05] <SubNet> blmm: byt media:/ doesnt show ist?
[02:06] <SubNet> WOW - but media:/ doesn't show it?
[02:06] <blmm> media:// works, it's just that I agree with the Kubuntu decision not to use it (non-KDE programs). Just a slight inconvenience.
[02:09] <SubNet> blmm: Sorry mate, no idea
[02:09] <blmm> OK.
[02:10] <Dr_willis> blmm,  with that logic however - they should also remove fish:// and smb:// and all the kioslave things like that.
[02:11] <Dr_willis> of course as long as you just ise the special addresses like that for file management - ive never had any problems.
[02:11] <jmichaelx> i have tried everything to get my rt2500-based wireless working well in gutsy, but it is starting to look hopeless. i have blacklisted the crap gutsy rt2500pci driver, and have compiled the serialmonkey rt2500 driver... this has helped have a more stable connection to my WEP-protected home-network, buti am having an even worse time connecting to totally unencrypted public networks... does anyone have a suggestion?
[02:12] <vzduch> sfears: it will at least void your warranty.. and probably ruin the drive, yes, unless you have the proper tools and knowledge to re-assemble it like it's supposed to be, and preferably a clean-room
[02:14] <blmm> Dr_willis: I don't think so. With media:// you have the choice of direct file system access or an ioslave. Direct file access is more useful. For fish:// and smb:// the ioslaves are much better than nothing, i.e. using a special client program. And there is a FUSE/ioslave thing you could try using.
[02:17] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: what kind of instabillity do u get?
[02:18] <Kingzar> pfff
[02:18] <Kingzar> both screenlets and superkaramba suck!!
[02:18] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: at home, i have no instability anymore.... it is very stable, although i have to use rutilt to connect... but i often cannot connect at all at coffee shops and other places
[02:19] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: i like superkaramba, but it can be finnicky
[02:19] <Kingzar> i liked it too if it worked
[02:19] <jmichaelx> what isn't working?
[02:19] <Kingzar> i had it all set up once, and suddenly the weather app decided to leave just like that
[02:19] <Kingzar> and never returned
[02:19] <Kingzar> and so did the rest later
[02:19] <jmichaelx> are you using liquid weather?
[02:20] <Kingzar> i used liquid weather yes
[02:20] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: i have connection problems too
[02:20] <Kingzar> the only thing i could think of, was that i deleted the .tar file from my desktop
[02:21] <Kingzar> would that have caused the problem? does karamba not safe the widget to another place after installing?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> blmm,  i was just thinking of the fuse ioslave stuff also. :) Wondering how wellit works
[02:21] <jmichaelx> ok, if i were you, i would make sure i had the most recent liquid weather downloaded and installed, then i recommend going into ~/.superkaramba and deleting all of the liquid weather config files so that you can start fresh. it should work then
[02:22] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: what kind of card are you using?
[02:22] <Kingzar> where is ~/.superkaramba
[02:22] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: /home/<username>/.superkaramba
[02:22] <Dr_willis> I seem to recall some 'issue' with liquid weather and the dash/bash changes in ubuntu.
[02:23] <Kingzar> k
[02:23] <mueslix> good evening
[02:23] <Kingzar> btw my kdm media manager crashed, what is the command to start it again
[02:23] <jmichaelx> it is possible... i run several distros, and always have problems in *ubuntu that i never have in the others
[02:23] <Kingzar> can enter my drives
[02:23] <mueslix> i just installed the kde4 rc2 packages... selecting kde4 in kdm just restarts kdm tho
[02:23] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: intel not sure what exact model
[02:23] <Kingzar> can´t
[02:23] <Kingzar> enter my drives
[02:23] <jmichaelx> i do not have the issues with liquid weather in fedora or slackware that i have off and on in kubuntu
[02:24] <surgy> anyone mind helping me out in #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:24] <surgy> ?
[02:24] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: 3945 i think
[02:24] <sfears> what's up surgy?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  the 'issue' i am thinking of - comes from the liquid weather guys using '#!/bin/sh' when they should be using #!/bin/bash :)  at least i THINK thats the issue.
[02:24] <surgy> its off topic so could you come to the off topic channel plz?
[02:24] <fsckr> is there a config program for KDE like there is for gnome?  Gnomes is gconf.  My screensaver doesn't come on at all even though its enable to start automatically in 15 min
[02:24] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: gutsy was a dramatic step backwards for wireless, as far as my experience has gone
[02:24] <fsckr> and I know there is the system settings
[02:25] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i see... i have had no problems personally with liquid weather of late, but that could well be so
[02:25] <david__> I have had mixed sucess with gusty and wireless ... some better some worse ... the worst
[02:25] <Kingzar> sudo rm ~/.superkaramba <--?
[02:25] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: no
[02:25] <david__> was getting amd and broadcom card working :(
[02:26] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  im thinking it was liq. weather. Someone posted a thread/faq where the 'fix' from the Liq. weather guys for the 'broken' ubuntu was well... lets say not a good fix. :)
[02:26] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: some times it connects, most of the time it doesn't :-(
[02:27] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: just use konqueror to get to ~/.superkaramba. go to your home directory, and enable 'hidden files'
[02:27] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  http://liquidweather.net/howto/index.php?id=59  --- The knowledge of the person writing that howto.. shows that they need to research ubuntu/dash/bash a little more :)
[02:27] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i see, interesting
[02:28] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  yea. i found the 'attitude' of the 'howto' interesting and the fact  the fix is really for them to fix their scripts.. OR use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure dash'   interesting
[02:28] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: although that appears to have been for edgy... i do remember having a lot of issues with liquid weather in edgy. i think i even had uninstalled it for a while
[02:28] <Aresilek> will ubuntu (wnet) drivers work in kubuntu?
[02:29] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  i think the issue is going away now that more and more script writers/progamres are using #!/bin/bash properly
[02:29] <Dr_willis> used to be limewire and some other programs had similer issues.
[02:29] <jmichaelx> i see, this is educational lol
[02:29] <Dr_willis> a few dozen+ bug reports to them  and they fix the scripts. heh.
[02:29] <jmichaelx> hehe
[02:29] <Dr_willis> I reseearched this topic a whole bunch when they did the dash/bash change.
[02:30] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: did you figure out what i was suggesting?
[02:30] <Kingzar> jmichaelx: i have no clue how to enable view hidden files
[02:30] <Dr_willis> the 'core' of the issue is that a script calling #!/bin/sh can Still use 'bash only' features. since bash does not complain. which i feel is a bug/problem with bash.  but it was that way for so long that peole assume bash is sh i guess.
[02:30] <Dr_willis> Well back to help the wife a bit.
[02:31] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: go to your home folder in konqueror or dolphin.... in konqueror's menu, click 'view' at the top, and select 'Show Hidden Files'
[02:32] <jmichaelx> it's the same in dolphin
[02:33] <Kingzar> whahaha jmichaelx i had no clue it could be that easy :p
[02:33] <Kingzar> anyways iĺl try again now in the mean time do you know how i can restart my kde media manager
[02:33] <Kingzar> itś not running, crashed before
[02:33] <jmichaelx> Kingzar: it's easy, but confusing when you're new
[02:33] <jmichaelx> hmm i don't know anything about kde media manager
[02:36] <Aresilek> will ubuntu (wnet) drivers work in kubuntu?
[02:37] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: that should all be the same
[02:37] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: thx
[02:37] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: i haven't installed any drivers i just use what came in the box, so i'll try installing some
[02:38] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: i think the intel wireless drivers areinstalled by default. usually intel wireless works well in linux
[02:38] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: I'm trying to connect to a WEP protected network as well by the way
[02:39] <jmichaelx> Aresilek: i am no expert, but i don't think you need to install any drivers for intel
[02:39] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: when i get the chance i may try playing around with my access point settings to see if it gives different levels of success
[02:39] <Aresilek> jmichaelx: oh ok
[02:39] <david__> Aresilek intel works out of the box.
[02:39] <jmichaelx> have you tried just entering your info in System Settings?
[02:41] <jmichaelx> i have been fighting wireless problems in gutsy from the get-go. i am thinking about ditching it altogether at this point (on my laptop, at least)
[02:41] <jmichaelx> i may go with fedora, if i can find out whether or not rt2500-based wireless cards work well in fedora
[02:42] <david__> jmichalex if you don't mind what is the laptop ... I had no problems on an intel wireless laptop
[02:43] <jmichaelx> david__: i wish i had intel.... this laptop has an rt2500-based wireless adaptor
[02:44] <bazhang> ralink are iffy in every distro jmichaelx
[02:44] <david__> ohhh okay sorry I thought it was intel
[02:44] <Aresilek> it used to work well before, i think when i switched from WPA to WEP I started to get issues
[02:44] <Aresilek> david__: mine is the intel
[02:44] <jmichaelx> bazhang: i always had very good luckj with rt2500 until now
[02:44] <jmichaelx> always
[02:44] <david__> ohh okay sorry I just got confused.
[02:45] <bazhang> jmichaelx: the operative word being luck; for some they work, others they never do
[02:45] <toxop1asma> hey guys a quick noob question. i have a kubuntu 7.04 cd. is there any reason to get the newest one (7.10)?
[02:45] <jmichaelx> before edgy i often had to compile the driver and so on, but after that, things were fine
[02:45] <Kingzar> How do i restart KDE?
[02:46] <bazhang> toxop1asma: what kind of system? how much ram, etc
[02:46] <jmichaelx> rt2500 worked out of the box in feisty.... both pci and usb
[02:46] <toxop1asma> bazhang: axp 1600, 512 ram, gf2
[02:47] <bazhang> toxop1asma: nvidia card 2 series?
[02:47] <toxop1asma> yeah. geforce2 mx400 64mb
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> omg
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> i forgot to get a floppy disk with sata drivers for winx
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> winxp*
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> OWNT
[02:48] <bazhang> toxop1asma: why not get the 7.10 live cd and compare? that is likely the best way to find out
[02:48] <tehm0nk-otherpc> uh.... you think i can do that inside kubuntu live?
[02:49] <toxop1asma> isn't 7.10 basically the same as any other 7.xx, but with all updates applied? as opposed to 8.xx, which would be a bigger change not attainable with updates? how does this all work?
[02:50] <toxop1asma> bazhang: i am not sure if my burner is working. it would a pain in the ass to do it
[02:51] <bazhang> toxop1asma: just a suggestion; though if you have no way to get another cd--why ask for an alternative to 7.04?
[02:53] <toxop1asma> bazhang: if there is a significant benefit, i'd go through the pain of getting 7.10. but not otherwise. is there a page that explains what version numbers mean?
[02:53] <bazhang> toxop1asma: version numbers? year and month
[02:54] <jmichaelx> are there any wireless cards working well in gutsy? i don't want to buy yet another mini-pci card, but this is just sucking way too much
[02:54] <jmichaelx> i am thinking intel or atheros
[02:54] <bazhang> intel is jmichaelx
[02:54] <flaccid> !wireless
[02:54] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:54] <flaccid> lots..
[02:54] <jmichaelx> i have my doubts about lots
[02:54] <flaccid> intel better support than atheros
[02:55] <david__> My mother had an atheros which worked out of the box.
[02:56] <flaccid> there is more than 1 model atheros
[02:56] <jmichaelx> atheros works out-of-the-box in most distros, but not as consistantly in the buntus
[02:56] <toxop1asma> bazhang: thanks! wow, i should have figured that one out. but then, what is Breezy Badger and so on? how does that correlate with version numbers? or it doesn't..?
[02:56] <flaccid> it depends on the card
[02:56] <flaccid> the model of the card.
[02:56] <david__> I put gusty on her laptop.
[02:56] <bazhang> toxop1asma: no idea
[02:58] <Dragnslcr> toxop1asma- each version has a "code name" that's used before the release and in other informal discussions
[02:58] <jmichaelx> flaccid: it is funny. according to the link you gave me, rt2500-based cards should work out of the box in gutsy. all you need to do is look in the forums to see that is not the case at all.
[02:59] <flaccid> sounds about right
[02:59] <flaccid> i avoid atheros because they are not what they claim in terms of support in linux
[02:59] <toxop1asma> Dragnslcr: oh, i see. and if i have an old version, and apply all the updates, is it the same as the new version?
[02:59] <jmichaelx> flaccid: i have an atheros pci card that i have used in 2 machines without any issues at all.. but i know nothing about exactly what version it is
[03:00] <flaccid> because 1 model card worked for 1 person doesn't mean that all cards work for all persons and platforms..
[03:00] <jmichaelx> indeed
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> toxop1asma- should be, yeah. Usually you can only upgrade one version at a time, so if for example you have 6.06 installed, it may be easier to do a clean install of 7.10 than to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 to 7.04 to 7.10
[03:00] <flaccid> so the old claim of 'worked for me' doesn't fit, not that it ever does
[03:00] <david__> jmichaelx I agree .. I wish I knew the version I had my mother using.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> i love it when identically named cards from a company change chipsets :)
[03:00] <Dragnslcr> toxop1asma- especially since upgrades aren't always painless
[03:00] <Dr_willis> Had several Linksys cards that did that.
[03:01] <tehm0nk> hey ... i'm on the live cd now
[03:01] <tehm0nk> is it possible to put my windows xp raid drivers on a disk from here?
[03:01] <tehm0nk> a floppy?
[03:01] <bazhang> Dr_willis: that has happened to me as well :}
[03:01] <flaccid> sure is
[03:01] <Dr_willis> You can  mount/read/write to floppy disks..
[03:01] <tehm0nk> how do i mount it?
[03:01] <Dr_willis> This is weird - I have an external usb - dvd burner.. Its been burning good all day., now suddendly on the last 2 disks. its  buring at 1x speed with k3b.
[03:01] <flaccid> !floppy
[03:01] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[03:01] <bazhang> netgear in my case
[03:02] <Dr_willis> Not sure what to do to kick it in the head. :)   I wonder if it was the dvd disks.. they are the last of an old batch i bought ages ago.
[03:02] <toxop1asma> Dragnslcr: thanks.
[03:02] <jmichaelx> i am to the point that the only card i would trust to work in the buntus,from version to version, is intel. anything else is wide open to problems.... may work well in one version, just to not work at all in the next. i have no idea (there may be a good reason) why the ubuntu devs included the nasty, unstable beta rt2500 drivers, rather than the stable, legacy drivers
[03:03] <flaccid> i agree jmichaelx
[03:03] <flaccid> after they fixed up ipw support and the new cards came out, intel support was pretty much made good for intel
[03:03] <Dr_willis> rt2500 was So hyped when it the news/company came out with all the gpl support news.. and well..  they dident live up to their end. :(
[03:03] <Dr_willis> Does intel make stand alone wireless cards?
[03:03] <flaccid> i mean for wireless. it is very rare i can't trust an intel wirless card out of box
[03:03] <bazhang> ralink are gpl, but poorly designed imo
[03:03] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever seeing any.
[03:04] <flaccid> what is stand alone?
[03:04] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i always had good luck with the legacy rt2500 drivers
[03:04] <flaccid> it needs a computer lol
[03:04] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  ive never ttried them.. i never saw any 2500 cards in the stores so i never grabbed one.
[03:04] <Dr_willis> of course I dont use wireless  much. I ran wires throgh the house.
[03:04] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i have 3 of them
[03:04] <bazhang> I'm guessing stand alone means available for retail sale
[03:04] <flaccid> my house is like an internet cafe
[03:05] <david__> flaccid do you have free coffee for all of us ? ;)
[03:05] <jmichaelx> linksys has sold a lot of rt2500 cards.. both pci and usb
[03:05] <Dr_willis> i dont recall seeing any intel cards   at the various pc parts stores either.. could be they just are not as widly stocked. Or i just overlooked them
[03:06] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: i was talking about rt2500... no, you don't see intel in the stores, to my knowledge
[03:06] <Dr_willis> I recall seeing Intel Motherbosards where i normally shop. But not much else.
[03:06] <jmichaelx> wireless in linux in general is still one of its biggest problems
[03:07] <flaccid> david__: yeah but you gotta make it :p
[03:07] <david__> hehehhe :)
[03:07] <bazhang> software patents are the issue imo
[03:07] <flaccid> intel don't really do retail
[03:07] <Dr_willis> i find wureless under windows to be a very very very big pain also.
[03:07] <jmichaelx> bazhang: i am with you
[03:07] <tehm0nk> that walkthrough makes a lot of no sense on how to get the floppy drive to read/write
[03:08] <flaccid> there are a lot of shite wireless cards - which are used in soho routers
[03:08] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/floppy /media/floppy   ?
[03:08] <flaccid> eg. dlink, netgear
[03:08] <jmichaelx> a lot of the help.unbuntu docs are out of date or just wrong
[03:08] <flaccid> jmichaelx: yeah the doco team doesn't want a handbook unfortunately
[03:09] <ricochina> richard
[03:09] <tehm0nk> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/floppy /media/floppy
[03:09] <tehm0nk> mount: mount point /media/floppy does not exist
[03:09] <tehm0nk> so no.
[03:09] <tehm0nk> i'm in the live cd...
[03:09] <raylu> you need to sudo mkdir /media/floppy
[03:09] <flaccid> tehm0nk: sudo mkdir /media/floppy
[03:09] <flaccid> woops
[03:09] <raylu> hi :D
[03:09] <flaccid> fdformat is a cool tool too btw
[03:10] <tehm0nk> same error
[03:10] <tehm0nk> mount: special device /dev/floppy does not exist
[03:10] <jmichaelx> what is funny, is that i can get my rt2500 to connect just fine at home on my WEp encrypted network... but i cannot connect at all to public wireless hotspots
[03:10] <tehm0nk> after i made the dir...
[03:10] <raylu> er, that's not the same error
[03:11] <raylu> jmichaelx: with some gui tool or via command line?
[03:11] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,   its possible its /dev/somthing else. :)
[03:11] <david__> jmichaelx I think there is a problem there seems I had this same problem with ndiswrapper and a broadcom ...
[03:11] <Dr_willis> I have no flopppy so no idea what the dev is. :)
[03:11] <david__> I wish I could remember the fix but I have long since gotten rid of that laptop.
[03:11] <tehm0nk> well this is my last hope lo
[03:11] <tehm0nk> lol
[03:12] <jmichaelx> raylu: david__: i have to connect with RutilT at home... at coffee shops, etc, nothing works
[03:12] <tehm0nk> i forgot to make a sata raid disk before clearing my stripe set and redoing it
[03:12] <flaccid> usuall /dev/fd0
[03:12] <Dr_willis> Those howtos you looked at dont mention a /dev/SOMTHING ?
[03:12] <tehm0nk> ... lol
[03:12] <tehm0nk> soooo
[03:12] <tehm0nk> OMG
[03:12] <tehm0nk> i love you.
[03:12] <flaccid> ls /dev | grep fd
[03:12] <tehm0nk> it's accessing the floppy
[03:12] <flaccid> will show the floppy devices
[03:12] <flaccid> sweet
[03:12] <david__> I remember that anything without encryption was a pain.
[03:12] <tehm0nk> now i just need to get the drivers on it lol
[03:12] <flaccid> broadcome worse than atheros outch
[03:12] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/izT64Z56.nln.html
[03:13] <osiris> apt trouble
[03:13] <jmichaelx> it's funny that the unencrypted networks would be the problem
[03:13] <raylu> why are you using floopies again?
[03:13] <flaccid> osiris: filesystem is read only for some reason..
[03:13] <david__> Yeah, I remember thinking the same.
[03:13] <tehm0nk> omg
[03:13] <tehm0nk> you have to be kidding
[03:13] <raylu> osiris: looks like your apt stuff is mounted on a read-only filesystem
[03:13] <tehm0nk> the drivers are a .exe
[03:13] <osiris> after my last update to the server, it broke
[03:14] <jmichaelx> i had a mini-pci bcm43xx card in this lappy to start with, but pulled it and put in this rt2500 card that i got on ebay for $15
[03:14] <raylu> when you installed, did you configure a seperate mountpoint for anything or was everything /?
[03:14] <osiris> no, nothing funny about it
[03:14] <jmichaelx> it was heaven until gutsy came along and ruined it
[03:14] <flaccid> osiris: easiest problem is to reboot and do normal boot. if it mounts read only again, you have a problem with the fs or similar
[03:14] <raylu> ok, what does mounted show, osiris?
[03:14] <raylu> *mount
[03:14] <raylu> jmichaelx: if it comes down to it, you can always downgrade
[03:15] <raylu> or perhaps an older version of the kernel would help
[03:15] <osiris> http://rafb.net/p/3eE8wk55.nln.html
[03:15] <tehm0nk> is there a vm that i could use to open it?
[03:15] <david__> jmichaelx could you recompile with an older driver?
[03:15] <Dr_willis> tehm0nk,  try wine
[03:16] <Dr_willis> !info cabextract
[03:16] <ubotu> cabextract: a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-2 (gutsy), package size 52 kB, installed size 184 kB
[03:16] <Dr_willis> cabextract may extract the files also
[03:16] <jmichaelx> david__: i already did compile the old driver... it is much,much better than the gutsy driver, but i still cannot connect to unencrypted networks
[03:17] <flaccid> osiris: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) <-- appears to have mounted read only due to errors on the fs
[03:17] <osiris> strange. i guess ill reboot it
[03:17] <raylu> i had an issue like that when my hard-drive was borked
[03:17] <raylu> hopefully it's just some software deal
[03:18] <david__> jmichaelx hmmm I remember the broadcom problem was in some auth module not in the driver.
[03:18] <raylu> i just put a hyphen in hard drive =\
[03:18] <raylu> jmichaelx: is turning off the encryption on your network temporarily an option for you?
[03:18] <jmichaelx> but this is ralink... maybe a similar problem , though
[03:19] <jmichaelx> raylu: i can connect just fine to encrypted networks... it is unencrypted ones i have a problem with
[03:19] <david__> I wish I could remember the module.
[03:21] <sFEARs> how do i find out how much hard disk space i have left.. i don't have an internet connection on my other computer & disk usage analyzer isn't installed?
[03:21] <jmichaelx> i am going to quit fighting this, and just buy an intel mini-pci card from ebay..... it sucks to have to do that, but it is probably the best solution
[03:22] <david__> sFear df
[03:22] <sFEARs> thanks
[03:22] <rignes> Every once in a while my laptop with Kubuntu install will suspend to disk even though the power is turned on.  Anyone else see this happen or is it just me?
[03:23] <rignes> I should rephrase that.  Even though the AC is plugged in. ;)
[03:23] <sFEARs> do you have it set to hibernat if not being used after x amount of minues rignes
[03:23] <etfb> rignes: check the power settings - left click battery icon on taskbar
[03:23] <sFEARs> hibernate*
[03:23] <rignes> Not that I know of.  I'll check the settings quick.
[03:24] <rignes> If it is set it's set to a very high value.  In the hours.
[03:24] <tehm0nk> anyone here on a windows box?
[03:24] <tehm0nk> i need some uber help lol
[03:24] <sFEARs> sup m0nk?
[03:24] <tehm0nk> someone to get the files out of the nvidia drivers for raid...
[03:24] <etfb> tehm0nk: I have one sitting in front of me, switched off.  What do you need?
[03:24] <tehm0nk> so i can put them on a floppy here
[03:25] <tehm0nk> in kubuntu live cd
[03:25] <tehm0nk> heh
[03:25] <tehm0nk> i got the floppy to show but i can't get the drivers in... files form
[03:25] <etfb> tehm0nk: Why do you need a Windoze box for that?
[03:25] <tehm0nk> lol...
[03:25] <tehm0nk> because all the crap from nvidia is for Windows...
[03:25] <tehm0nk> and i'm trying to install winxp before kubuntu
[03:26] <tehm0nk> winxp will NOT recognize sata raid in the install without the sata raid drivers on a floppy
[03:26] <tehm0nk> with the f6 method
[03:26] <rignes> etfb: Nope, it's set to do nothing on mains power.
[03:26] <tehm0nk> i even Tried hoping my tinyxp disk maybe had the drivers on it already
[03:27] <tehm0nk> but no it didn't recognize it...
[03:27] <sakthian> pls tell some commands to check the current running program in kubuntu
[03:27] <david__> sakthian ps ax | less
[03:27] <tehm0nk> i'm new to linux so...
[03:27] <rignes> The only thing I can think of is it may think that the lid is closed and go into hibernate because of that.
[03:27] <tehm0nk> i dont think i could figure out how to make it do that...
[03:27] <bazhang> top sakthian
[03:28] <tehm0nk> without a windows box
[03:28] <etfb> rignes: what about the laptop lid option?  Maybe it's getting pressed somehow.  Switch it off.
[03:28] <tehm0nk> and i dont know anything about vmware or whatever
[03:28] <Morningsickness> I pee on stuff all the time. I pee in the sink, in piles of dirty clothes. sometimes in the living room, then blame it on the dog. at parties I've peed on peoples beds. I've never rented a hotel room without pissing all over it. I also love pissing in guys mouths. I could never tell someone that I loved that I like this, so I have to have casual sexual encounters with nasty guys who want to drink my piss. oh well.
[03:28] <rignes> Maybe a faulty switch?  It's not consistent in time.
[03:28] <tehm0nk> Morningsickness: that is just wrong.
[03:29] <etfb> tehm0nk: don't feed the troll.  Is there an op here who can kick the bot?
[03:29] <rignes> It was sitting for about 5 hours streaming music on the other side of the room and just hibernated on it's own today.  I'll turn off the hibernate on lid close and see if it goes away.
[03:29] <sFEARs> i at least hope Morningsickness is a woman
[03:29] <etfb> sFEARs: don't feed the troll
[03:29] <fignew> Morningsickness: known troll/spammer
[03:29] <sFEARs> awwww.. but trolls are so cute
[03:29] <fignew> He got banned from #archlinux the other day :)
[03:30] <tehm0nk> ok in a crazy attempt i'm installing wine via adept
[03:30] <tehm0nk> how/what do i do next?
[03:30] <Morningsickness> .Dear Alice,
[03:30] <Morningsickness> I am (still!) a virgin and have a question about the hymen. I know mine is not entirely intact, because I did a lot of horseback riding as a child. But as I'm not a tampon-user (nor wish to become one), I'm not exactly sure how painful intercourse will be, for the first time, nor what will happen to the hymen.
[03:30] <Morningsickness> I always assumed it was a thin membrane that, upon penetration, would shrink evenly to the sides. But I seem to have what you might call a flesh tab, and though I've looked at pictures offered in Our Bodies, Ourselves, I'm not sure I understand how an opening will be created, and have the horrifying idea that a piece of flesh is going to drop out or be torn right out of me. Is it normal to have a flesh tab? What wil
[03:30] <Morningsickness> Yours, Tawanda
[03:30] <Morningsickness> that 14 year old black girl in the sexed class i teach
[03:30] <etfb> sFEARs: lightning essay quiz: 10,000 words on "why trolls aren't cute".  Due on my desk 9am tomorrow.  Get to work!
[03:30] <Morningsickness> she is sexy in the plastic unicorn berets in the cornrows
[03:30] <Morningsickness> kind of way
[03:31] <fignew> !ops
[03:31] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or ardchoille!
[03:31] <rignes> Another thought, maybe a faulty power supply or power port.  It may be loosing power and suspending due to lack of use.  I'll have to experiment.
[03:31] <fignew> danke :D
[03:31] <etfb> nixternal: thank you
[03:31] <sakthian> how to open task manager in kubuntu
[03:31] <nixternal> no prob...he did the same garbage yesterday in #ubuntu
[03:31] <etfb> sakthian: Ctrl+Esc is pretty much what you want
[03:32] <etfb> nixternal: some people just don't cope well with living in their mother's basement and using Win98, do they?
[03:32] <fignew> I'd think that it would get boring after a while :P
[03:32] <sFEARs> haha
[03:32] <sFEARs> wait.. what's wrong with 98
[03:32] <sakthian> thank you
[03:33] <damone> how can I specify which X display to run a program on?
[03:33] <nixternal> guess not :)
[03:34] <neville> Windows 98 is still good =]
[03:34] <sFEARs> works better than vista
[03:35] <neville> Hahaha, by miles =P
[03:35] <jac0b> does anyone know a good mp3/ogg/aac/m4a encoder
[03:35]  * etfb regrets mentioning the w-word
[03:35] <fignew> jac0b: GUI?
[03:35] <david__> sFEARs   ... dos multitasks better than vista.
[03:35] <flaccid> windows 90 is insecure, vuln and discontinued
[03:35] <jac0b> yeah preferrably with a GUI
[03:35] <mox69__> david: dos doesnt multitask at all lol
[03:35] <tehm0nk> i tried to use dolphin to paste the files from the wine C: dir to the floppy and i got a access is denied error...
[03:35] <tehm0nk> ?
[03:35] <tehm0nk> any help
[03:35] <flaccid> windows 98 i mean
[03:35] <flaccid> don't use it
[03:36] <david__>  mox and your point ;)
[03:36] <neville> Just stop me
[03:36] <mox69__> :) fine lol
[03:36] <jac0b> I am looking at soundkonverter but it doesn't give all the options I want
[03:36] <fignew> jac0b: I've used kaudiocreator in the past
[03:36] <sFEARs> super converter?
[03:36] <neville> I don't have a problem with Windows 98, and all this stuff about vulnerabilities can easily be countered by using common sense
[03:36] <sFEARs> i don't know if super is available for linux?
[03:36] <fignew> but I wasn't 100% happy with it...
[03:37] <fignew> YMMV
[03:37] <tehm0nk> how can i put stuff on the floppy?
[03:37] <tehm0nk> !floppy
[03:37] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[03:38] <damone> how can I specify which X client to display a program on?
[03:38] <etfb> damone: what do you mean, exactly?
[03:38] <jac0b> I looked at kaudiocreator it only accepts wavs
[03:38] <david__> actaully I should not complain Vista helped me get my mother a cheap linux laptop.
[03:38] <bazhang> neville: tell the people in ##windows; they need some good news :}
[03:38] <sFEARs> jac0b, audacity?
[03:38] <neville> Hahaha
[03:39] <neville> I already have =P
[03:39] <bazhang> hehe
[03:39] <jac0b> sfears: I think that might have to be my option
[03:39] <etfb> jac0b: I vaguely recall there's a system called "lame" that might do what you want.  Try googling <<lame mp3>> and see what comes up
[03:39] <flaccid> neville: what i was suggesting is common sense...
[03:40] <flaccid> using windows 98 is stupidity
[03:40] <sFEARs> lame will work for mp3 encoding.. might have problems with the m4a one though.. ogg should be installed with his linux
[03:40] <neville> So, wanting to play old games that cause nostalgia
[03:40] <neville> Which in turn requires the use of Windows 98
[03:40] <neville> Is stupidity, eh?
[03:41] <sFEARs> ducktales for nintendo?
[03:41] <neville> I am inclined to disagree with you =
[03:41] <neville> =]*
[03:41] <etfb> neville: have you tried VMWare server?
[03:42] <neville> No, I haven't got the money for it
[03:42] <etfb> neville: guess again - it's free!
[03:42] <tehm0nk> ok so i can't use dolphin to move the files there
[03:42] <tehm0nk> how do i do it in terminal
[03:42] <neville> D:
[03:42] <neville> LINK!!!!
[03:42] <neville> QUICK
[03:42] <tehm0nk> where is the wine directory?
[03:43] <bazhang> neville: vmware.com
[03:43] <jac0b> etfb: does it have afrontend
[03:43] <etfb> neville: http://www.vmware.com, follow the links to VMware Server, which can run on Linux and The Other OS That Dare Not Speak Its Name
[03:43] <bazhang> and mac os too
[03:43] <neville> Windows and OS X? =P
[03:43] <bazhang> yes
[03:43] <sFEARs> don't you have to pay for vmware?
[03:44] <neville> Yeah, that's what I was thinking too
[03:44] <neville> I know vmplayer is free, but the others
[03:44] <bazhang> not for the player
[03:44] <neville> I'm not so sure
[03:44] <etfb> jac0b: it's pretty typical Linux: a set of libraries and command lines, and ten million GUI frontends written by ten million programmers, all subtly incompatible...
[03:45] <sFEARs> subtly being the key word
[03:45] <sFEARs> has anybody seen my floating decimal point?
[03:45] <sFEARs> ??
[03:45] <etfb> sFEARs, neville: VMWare Server is now free, but has been for only a little while.  It's got pretty much everything WorkStation has, although I miss the Shared Folders option (they expect you to use network drives)
[03:45] <david__> Hmm sfears the office space decimal point?
[03:46] <neville> USB support?
[03:46] <bazhang> yes
[03:46] <etfb> (Oh, and by "free" I mean "price = $0", not "unrestricted, free/open source")
[03:46] <neville> Because, I don't wanna spend days downloading something that I could just use Virtualbox for =]
[03:47] <neville> Yeah, that's how I see free
[03:47] <neville> I'm not one of these OSS nuts just yet
[03:47] <etfb> neville: it's had USB support for ages
[03:47] <neville> And
[03:47] <david__> neville ... give it time enjoy my koolaid ;)
[03:47] <neville> Heh
[03:47] <sFEARs> wow.. if it's really free i'd love to be able to run mixmesiter.. i'll have to check it out
[03:47] <neville> Looks like you win
[03:47] <etfb> neville: nothing wrong with being a FLOSS (Free/Libre/Open Source Software) nut.  Someone has to be an extremist so we can have more space to play in the middle ground.
[03:48] <flaccid> neville: no but using an unsupported OS is.
[03:48] <neville> what is your problem, flaccid?
[03:48] <david__> flaccid I thought this was a linux channel why bring up windows.
[03:49] <bazhang> eh, stop picking on flaccid :}
[03:50] <flaccid> neville: i don't have a problem
[03:50] <flaccid> david__: i didn't bring up the subject
[03:50] <flaccid> yeah and leave me alone.
[03:50] <david__> heheh okay ;)  just having a bit of humor on the unsupported os idea :)
[03:50] <bazhang> peace everyone :}
[03:51] <neville> Okay
[03:51] <sFEARs> later bazhang
[03:51] <neville> Truce
[03:51] <neville> Peace
[03:51] <neville> White flag waving
[03:51] <bazhang> sFEARs: see ya
[03:51] <sFEARs> white flag.. SHOOT IT SHOOT IT
[03:51] <neville> D:
[03:51] <bazhang> haha
[03:53] <neville> vmware server
[03:54] <neville> It seems a little bit corporate-ish, doesn't it?
[03:55] <sFEARs> yeah.. doesn't look like it would be free
[03:55] <etfb> neville: it does the trick, though.  I think it's meant to be used to create loads of virtual machines that can act like a whole rack of real-world servers, for mail, web, stuff like that
[03:55] <sFEARs> there's a key componenet missing
[03:55] <etfb> neville: but if you just connect locally, it works fine
[03:55] <etfb> sFEARs: what's that?
[03:55] <sFEARs> i'm not sure.. but it has to be missing in there somewhere
[03:56] <bazhang> vmware-tools
[03:57] <etfb> sFEARs: you still need to obtain (ie buy) a copy of Windows to be able to create a virtual machine.  If you want ten Windows machines, that's ten copies you need to shell out for
[03:57] <neville> Hmm,  I might just go about getting a copy of vmware workstation instead
[03:57] <etfb> I have the license key that came with my laptop before I installed Kubuntu, but if I ever wanted more, I'd have to (a) pay or (b) don an eyepatch and a hook and carry a parrot at all times
[03:57] <sFEARs> i think i have a windows cd that will work
[03:57] <neville> Option b)
[03:58] <neville> Because
[03:58] <[B5C]wallabee> what is the best torrent client in kde?
[03:58] <sFEARs> eyepatches are back in style.. you didn't know?
[03:58] <neville> Microsoft don't deserve money for having a monopoly and creating mediocre software, at best
[03:58] <etfb> [B5C]wallabee: ktorrent seems like the only game in town.  There's a LOT of crap out there.
[03:58] <bazhang> ktorrent or transmission [B5C]wallabee
[03:58] <bazhang> neville: arr matey
[03:58] <[B5C]wallabee> encryption?
[03:58] <etfb> neville: you might very well say that, but I couldn't possibly comment
[03:59] <etfb> bazhang: haven't heard of Transmission.  How does it compare?
[03:59] <neville> I payed for my copy of Windows, but that's about it
[03:59] <neville> They'll never get another cent out of me
[03:59] <david__> ktorrent is the one I use when I need one.
[03:59] <bazhang> no ports open great for getting linux distros etfb
[04:00] <sFEARs> microsoft makes good software.. windows is not good software.. it just has a good pitch to sell it to fund the good software they make
[04:01] <david__> sfears I would agree they do make some good software ... I have run networed windows on diskless systems using shared files ...
[04:01] <[B5C]wallabee> does ktorrent have encryption and a web gui?
[04:01] <david__> keeping old files working seems to be its biggest fault.
[04:02] <osiris> raylu, rebooted server.  FS errors.  fixed them and rebooted. all seems well, other than the pita of hooking up a monitor to it
[04:02] <etfb> [B5C]wallabee: why do you need encryption?
[04:02] <adamonline45> he's prolly on comcast
[04:02] <osiris> thx for the inspiration
[04:03] <osiris> [B5C]wallabee, it has both
[04:03] <osiris> its what i use
[04:03] <etfb> adamonline45: I'm in Australia, but I might as well be on Tau Ceti IV... what does "comcast" mean in this context?
[04:03] <bmk789> is an LVM partition accessible from any LVM compatible *buntu install?
[04:03] <adamonline45> etfb: It's an ISP in the US
[04:03] <bazhang> terrible lying isp etfb
[04:03] <osiris> comcast is sending RST packet to torrents to try to kill them
[04:03] <sFEARs> yeah.. but doesn't mac do the same thing.. they restructure thier whole OS on a regular basis too don't they
[04:04] <etfb> osiris: Ah!  I've heard of that.  Can't you just pick a non-standard port?
[04:04] <osiris> google sandvine and comcast
[04:04] <osiris> i do that too, but sandvine reads the packet header
[04:04] <etfb> osiris: but I have IRC!  I don't need to pray to Google!
[04:05] <osiris> im on comcast and dont have problems
[04:05] <etfb> osiris: ah, that's a bugger, and no mistake.  Well, if ktorrent has encryption as you say, it's probably worth a go, [B5C]wallabee!  What do you need the Web GUI for?
[04:05] <osiris> use the IP block plugin, the bandwidth schedule, and a non standard port range + encryption
[04:06] <osiris> thats about all you can do for it
[04:07] <neville> 210Mb
[04:07] <etfb> neville: thought you'd like to know, I'm running a VMWare Server instance with a WinXP VM right now.  Just installing Firefox on it so I can install Chatzilla, and then I'm going to see if I can talk in double vision...
[04:07] <neville> Looks like I'll be connected to the internet for a few days
[04:08] <neville> Hahaha
[04:08] <etfb> neville: don't you have high-speed broadband?
[04:09] <neville> 33.6k dialup for me, good sir
[04:09] <osiris> ouch
[04:09] <neville> I currently have a lag of 6 seconds, due to looking on the vmware site =]
[04:09] <etfb> neville: Oh my god!  You've somehow connected from the distant past!  Amazing!  STAY OUT OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN 2001!!!
[04:10] <neville> Hahaha, that's so funny I'll just ignore the patronising side =P
[04:10] <sFEARs> no way.. there's aspestos in there
[04:10] <david__> neville my heart goes out to you.
[04:10] <sFEARs> espically when mixed with bovine growth hormone & second hand smoke.. ummm, a few of my favorite experiments
[04:10] <sFEARs> i mean things
[04:11] <sFEARs> a few of my favorite things
[04:11] <neville> Hmm, only 19 hours left
[04:12]  * bazhang expects the room to get slapped for offtopic momentarily
[04:12]  * etfb just disconnected himself by accident, mid conversation
[04:12] <etfb> bazhang: quite right.  Must ask on-topic question... <thinks>
[04:13] <bazhang> haha
[04:13] <etfb> Anyone know how to make knetworkmanager connect to a wifi access point automatically when I disconnect the wired connection?
[04:13] <sFEARs> well i'd talk about kubuntu but i know absolutely everthing there possibly is to know about it
[04:13] <neville> Can somebody tell me the advantages of running Kubuntu over windows 98se? -P
[04:13] <neville> =P*
[04:13] <etfb> sFEARs: Oh my god!  Mark Shuttleworth, is that you?  Can I have a million rand?
[04:14] <sFEARs> yes you can.. i just can't tell you how
[04:14] <jac0b> does anyone else have the problem with xmms not being able to control the volume
[04:15] <etfb> jac0b: Why are you using xmms?  I saw a damning review of it in Linux Format.  Everyone loves Amarok, apparently...
[04:15] <osiris> why ?
[04:15] <osiris> amarok is SOOO heavy for smaller systems
[04:15] <sFEARs> well for one thing neville kubuntu is african.. and windows is obviously english.. and everyone knows african is better.. becuase good is dumb!
[04:16] <osiris> bad space balls reference aside
[04:16] <neville> Heh
[04:16] <etfb> sFEARs: your cunning logic makes my head hurt
[04:16] <sFEARs> haha
[04:17] <etfb> So, jac0b - why xmms?  Do you want me to find the LXF article and tell you what they recommend instead, apart from that well-known memory hog Amarok?
[04:17] <mox69__> xmms is the closest to winamp
[04:17] <jac0b> nah
[04:17] <mox69__> and it has always worked fine for me
[04:17] <mox69__> xmms is the only player that seems to work on my system for streaming radio..
[04:17] <jac0b> i removed it
[04:17] <sFEARs> audacious is like winamp too
[04:18]  * etfb goes to find the article, because it has some good points on exactly this topic
[04:18] <sFEARs> not sure if audacious has streaming radio
[04:19] <[B5C]wallabee> ktorrent is really nice
[04:19] <jac0b> doesn't amarok stream
[04:19] <[B5C]wallabee> but get only about 700 k
[04:19] <[B5C]wallabee> maybe its the old torrent
[04:19] <etfb> jac0b: if I weren't maxing my memory with VMWare, I'd be listening to internet radio on Amarok right now, so: yes it does
[04:20] <sFEARs> m0nk.. i got my xp box up and running if you still need those drivers
[04:21] <sFEARs> not that he's still here
[04:22] <jac0b> I can't control the volume with audacious either
[04:23] <etfb> article reviews Juk (7/10), Amarok (10/10), Rhythmbox (8/10), BMPx (5/10), Banshee (6/10) and XMMS (2/10)
[04:23] <surgy> sFEARs: got it wound
[04:23] <bazhang> ouch
[04:23] <jac0b> yeah I am sticking with amarok
[04:25] <sakthian> hi
[04:28] <surgy> sFEARs: hi
[04:35] <etfb> Right, I'm off to pick up my daughter from her Grand Moogi's house.  Bye all!
[04:35] <misslissa> how do i configure my printer to work
[04:35] <misslissa> I downloaded the driver
[04:35] <ardchoille> !print
[04:35] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:36] <misslissa> thanks
[04:36] <Dr_willis> what printer may this be? Most all drivers are allready included, or are in the repos. No need to download anything.
[04:36] <misslissa> Canon iP1800
[04:36] <Dr_willis> ICK!~~!~
[04:36] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:36] <Dr_willis> I got an ip1600 - its the wifes.. for her xp system.
[04:36] <misslissa> I downloaded the driver and its not listed under printers when I go to add
[04:36] <Dr_willis> i am reminded why i will never buy another canon printer. :)
[04:36] <misslissa> for some reason my printer doesnt read
[04:37] <dsmith_> ewwww canon ip series
[04:37] <misslissa> and I have kubuntu as my main operating system
[04:37] <misslissa> i know
[04:37] <dsmith_> we have a ip1700 here
[04:37] <misslissa> it came free with my computer
[04:37] <Dr_willis> im suprised you found somthing to download actually
[04:37] <dsmith_> I could never get the thing to work
[04:37] <Dr_willis> misslissa,  i got a free canon with my last pc.. I gave it away as a gift. :)
[04:37] <misslissa> now i know why because the ink makes up for the "free" printer in cost
[04:37] <dsmith_> there is a website talking about drivers that will work, but alas they are not free
[04:37] <misslissa> and its not supported by linux
[04:37] <Dr_willis> actually the ink cost was not too bad for what my wife was doing.
[04:37] <dsmith_> what ver. kubuntu?
[04:38] <Dr_willis> compared to some other printers
[04:38] <misslissa> 7.10
[04:38] <misslissa> I love it
[04:38] <dsmith_> get a HP 10022
[04:38] <dsmith_> er.. 1022
[04:38] <misslissa> I got beryl up and running and its awesome
[04:38] <dsmith_> we have a 1020 but that was a pain to get running
[04:38] <dsmith_> 1022s work
[04:39] <dsmith_> besides thats all I know on printers.. besides the older HP and new HP network printers function
[04:39] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. TurboPrint has some Canon printer drivers now.. thats cool.. :) at least the exist.
[04:39] <dsmith_> Dr_willis: those are not free I think
[04:40] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  correct.. they are not.. BUT at least they exist
[04:40] <dsmith_> yes
[04:40] <Dr_willis> and what seems to happen is that after a while they slowly get  put into the free cups drivers.  at least thats how it happend to me a few yrs back
[04:41] <Dr_willis> I had some printer had to use Turboprint, then a year later it was free. :)
[04:41] <Dr_willis> dang - they got a LOT of canon ip printers supported now.
[04:42] <skyfalcon866> !op |ubotu
[04:42] <ubotu> ubotu: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild or ardchoille!
[04:43] <nixternal> YAY FOR ME!
[04:43] <MaTiAz> :)
[04:43] <maduser> ?
[04:43] <bazhang> haha
[04:43] <dsmith_> what was that?
[04:43] <MaTiAz> apokryphos is listed twice, btw :)
[04:43] <Dr_willis> hes doubly special
[04:43] <bazhang> hes trolling all the ubuntu channels :{
[04:44] <MaTiAz> lol
[04:45] <thebanana> can anyone here point me to some docs about hal on kubuntu
[04:45] <maduser><PHONE_NUMBER>1010010000110100001010
[04:45] <thebanana> as of gutsy, it doesn't look like ivman is used anymore for automounting
[04:45] <thebanana> (at least it's not installed on my system)  so, how does kde do the automounting?
[04:51] <erin> So I take it since no one talks in the default channel, there isn't anyone paying attention enough to help me
[04:51] <cuking_1> erin what is the question?
[04:51] <bazhang> erin: ask away
[04:52] <erin> Basically I'm just having trouble working this program.  I've never used anything IRC before, and this is my first time tinkering witht his client.
[04:52] <bazhang> konversation erin?
[04:52] <erin> yeah
[04:53] <maduser> what do you need to do?
[04:53] <maduser> join a channel?
[04:53] <erin> Pretty much.
[04:53] <Dr_willis>  - /join #SpiffyChannel
[04:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:53] <bazhang> haha
[04:54] <erin> There isn't a list or anything, so I take it I'd have to change server or something..
[04:54] <cuking_1> erin on the menu under file is a join command ...
[04:54] <erin> To a server with more stuff on it?
[04:54] <Dr_willis> depends on your irc client
[04:54] <erin> I've gotten that far
[04:54] <cuking_1> erin .... I think /list works but .... lots of data
[04:54] <Dr_willis> Most come with dozens of irc networks in their server listings
[04:54] <erin> This does not.
[04:54] <Dr_willis>  /list shows channel listings for This server (which is part of the freenode network)
[04:55] <Dr_willis> Other networks got diffrent channels.
[04:55] <Dr_willis> other freenode servers all are 'here'  in these channels.
[04:55] <erin> Aha!
[04:55] <Dr_willis> irc FUNdamentals
[04:55] <thebanana> can anyone help me grok udev+hal+dbus configuration in kubuntu?
[04:55] <maduser> f5 for channel lits on a server
[04:55] <erin> Oh wow, this did it
[04:55] <erin> Thank you everyone!!
[04:55] <Hirvinen> erin: http://google.com/search?q=konversation+documentation yields on the first page e.g. this rather relevant looking page: http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/ . Also, F1 gets you to documentation in most programs.
[04:55] <nnaushahi> hi
[04:55] <Dr_willis> 1000+ channels all starting with $ and ! and ## and so forth.. heh ..
[04:56] <maduser> yeah
[04:56] <thebanana> i'm trying to prevent kde from prompting me about mounting a specific usb mass storage device
[04:58] <tehm0nk> !floppy
[04:58] <ubotu> To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[04:58] <thebanana> tehm0nk: was that intended for me?
[04:59] <tehm0nk> what no
[04:59] <tehm0nk> i'm trying to figure out how to get floppy access again lol
[04:59] <tehm0nk> i dont know how lol :-x
[04:59] <thebanana> ah i see
[04:59] <tehm0nk> i forgot how to mount it again
[05:00] <tehm0nk> anyone here that was here earlier?
[05:00] <nnaushahi> can someone help? my mic wont work, using dell inspiron 1300
[05:03] <tehm0nk> any ideas on mounting a floppy right
[05:03] <m1k3> I need help
[05:03] <Hirvinen> !ask | m1k3
[05:03] <ubotu> m1k3: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:03] <m1k3> Lmao
[05:04] <nnaushahi> can someone help? my mic wont work, using dell inspiron 1300 laptop
[05:04] <m1k3> Ok, you know how when you change desktops you still see the windows minimized from the other desktops, well I want to prevent it from doing that, how do I do it?
[05:05] <pacman> I have a second hard drive that has Windows on it, and I want to get it so I can choose between the two on start up
[05:06] <tehm0nk> m1k3, it's in the settings for multiple desktops
[05:06] <tehm0nk> pacman run while you can
[05:06] <tehm0nk> i've been at that for about 2 days now
[05:06] <tehm0nk> :-P
[05:06] <m1k3> tehm0nk, where are these settings at?
[05:06] <tehm0nk> jk
[05:06] <tehm0nk> i'm not in kubuntu right this minute
[05:06] <zas> can anyone tell me how to setup my mouse so the LMB brings up the task menu anyplace on the desktop
[05:07] <pacman> do I need to do something with my grub?
[05:07] <tehm0nk> pac lemme get a link i was using earlier
[05:08] <Hirvinen> !laptop | nnaushahi
[05:08] <ubotu> nnaushahi: Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[05:08] <nnaushahi> thanks
[05:10] <Hirvinen> nnaushahi: Search for your model in the ubuntu wiki. There might be a solution described in there. If not, there might be a generic instruction page for regarding recording with a mic, which might help.
[05:10] <nnaushahi> i been searching, audio working fine, its the mic wont work, when i run sound recorder, I get error
[05:11] <tehm0nk> pacman, you get that?
[05:11] <nnaushahi> Error : "your audio capture settings are invalid. Please correct them in Multimedia settings"
[05:12] <pacman> yeah, it won't let me talk back to you
[05:13] <tehm0nk> thats because you have to register your nick
[05:14] <surgy> anyone wanna help me out with an electrical problem? join me in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:16] <nnaushahi> I will be right back
[05:17] <sFEARs> what's the unzip command from a prompt
[05:17] <sFEARs> ark -zph
[05:17] <tehm0nk> how do you mount a floppy
[05:17] <tehm0nk> the method in !floppy did not work.
[05:17] <thebanana> sFEARs: `unzip`
[05:18] <thebanana> tehm0nk: `mount /dev/fd /where/you/want/to/mount/it`
[05:20] <sFEARs> whatever you wanna call it.. unpack unarkive unassemble number 5
[05:20] <tehm0nk> how do i browse the files of wine when there is no link it the menu?
[05:20] <tehm0nk> (i'm on knoppix)
[05:21] <tehm0nk> the floppy is actually working, didn't have a disk in there lol
[05:21] <raylu> files of...wine?
[05:21] <tehm0nk> But...
[05:21] <tehm0nk> like the C: of wine
[05:21] <sFEARs> ahhh.. tar
[05:21] <tehm0nk> i extrated drivers there
[05:21] <raylu> oh, it's ~/.wine/drive_c by default
[05:21] <tehm0nk> from an exe
[05:21] <m1k3> ~/.wine/drive_c ?
[05:21] <tehm0nk> o0o lemme try that
[05:21] <raylu> huh? you can't wine drivers
[05:22] <tehm0nk> from root?
[05:22] <tehm0nk> ok
[05:22] <raylu> er, ~ is shorthand for $HOME
[05:22] <tehm0nk> the only driver package i can get from nvidia is a EXE file
[05:22] <raylu> !nvidia
[05:22] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:22] <raylu> does...that help?
[05:22] <tehm0nk> not in the slightest
[05:22] <raylu> the exe ultimately will just unpack windows drivers
[05:22] <tehm0nk> right now i'm trying to get my sata raid drivers on a floppy
[05:22] <tehm0nk> to install windowsxp
[05:23] <raylu> there's no way you need an exe to install nvidia drivers
[05:23] <raylu> then...what does nvidia have to do with this?
[05:23] <tehm0nk> lmfao
[05:23] <tehm0nk> cause they're nforce raid
[05:23] <raylu> OH
[05:23] <tehm0nk> Nvidia MediaSheild Raid
[05:23] <raylu> this is not a graphics driver
[05:23] <tehm0nk> :-P
[05:23] <tehm0nk> no sir
[05:23] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:23] <raylu> heh...ok
[05:23] <tehm0nk> i got them to extract already just can't find them
[05:23] <tehm0nk> to drag to the floppy.
[05:23] <tehm0nk> lol
[05:24] <tehm0nk> Again and hope they work this time
[05:24] <raylu> i see. if you want wincfg will allow you to configure the various drives
[05:24] <tehm0nk> i did this in kubuntu
[05:24] <tehm0nk> but it didn't
[05:24] <raylu> anyway, i have to go now
[05:24] <tehm0nk> this time i'm going to add more
[05:24] <tehm0nk> on the dist
[05:24] <tehm0nk> raylu, u fail :-P
[05:24] <raylu> T.T
[05:24] <tehm0nk> *disc
[05:24] <tehm0nk> really i fail
[05:24] <tehm0nk> but
[05:24] <raylu> *disk :P
[05:24] <tehm0nk> still
[05:24] <raylu> i'm not sure floppy disc is valid. anyway, seeya
[05:24] <tehm0nk> can you get to the C: in wine in a file browser?
[05:25] <m1k3> raylu, do you know how to prevent minimized windows from appearing from other desktops?
[05:25] <raylu> yes. ~/.wine/drive_c
[05:25] <raylu> are you using compiz?
[05:25] <raylu> there's an option somewhere in both compiz and kde for it, i _think_
[05:25] <raylu> anyway, i really must go now
[05:25] <tehm0nk> what is a terminal Find command?
[05:25] <tehm0nk> like
[05:26] <tehm0nk> Find wine
[05:26] <m1k3> Why, what do you need to find
[05:26] <tehm0nk> "drivers"
[05:26] <tehm0nk> the folder i extracted the drivers to lol
[05:26] <m1k3> go into the configuration of wine
[05:27] <tehm0nk> i'm in knoppix
[05:27] <m1k3> That's what I did to configure my flash drive
[05:27] <tehm0nk> the whole world is diff
[05:27] <m1k3> But I thought Wine configuration was installed with wine
[05:27] <sFEARs> so i've downloaded the tar.gz vmware-server.. what do i do with it now.. still kinda new at installs
[05:27] <tehm0nk> m1k3, i HAVE to put them on a floppy
[05:27] <tehm0nk> cause
[05:27] <tehm0nk> F6 in winxp install
[05:27] <sFEARs> there's no makefiles to compile & make install
[05:27] <sFEARs> says it's a binary
[05:28] <KingJere> Evening folks. on kubuntu 7.10 what do I need to do to have a suspend button? I have logout hibernate and shutdown and restart.
[05:28] <tehm0nk> what are the wine settings called?
[05:28] <tehm0nk> is there a command i can type in for them?
[05:28] <m1k3> One second
[05:28] <m1k3> try
[05:28] <m1k3> wine --help
[05:28] <m1k3> I dunno
[05:28] <ardchoille> winecfg ?
[05:29] <m1k3> it's
[05:29] <m1k3> wine-winecfg
[05:29] <m1k3> :P
[05:29] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[05:29] <tehm0nk> knoppix@Knoppix:~$ wine-winecfg
[05:29] <tehm0nk> bash: wine-winecfg: command not found
[05:29] <m1k3> Works for me
[05:29] <m1k3> O_o
[05:29] <tehm0nk> see! i'm in knoppix it's a differant world
[05:29] <tehm0nk> i just gotta find it grr
[05:29] <tehm0nk> command line search?
[05:30] <m1k3> wait, it is winecfg
[05:30] <m1k3> I just tried it
[05:30] <ardchoille> I seem to remember someone posting that :)
[05:31] <m1k3> Why didn't you try it then
[05:31] <m1k3> :S
[05:31] <ardchoille> I don't use wine
[05:31] <tehm0nk> arghness
[05:31] <tehm0nk> all it says for drives is .../drive_c
[05:31] <m1k3> You need to re-add one
[05:32] <m1k3> Manually
[05:32] <m1k3> I think it's in the /dev folder
[05:32] <Daisuke_Ido> m1k3: drive_c/ is not in /dev
[05:33] <m1k3> No, no the currently connected ones are in /dev
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> it's in ~/.wine
[05:33] <m1k3> I know that
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> ah, yes
[05:33] <Daisuke_Ido> nevermind
[05:33] <m1k3> Lol
[05:33] <tehm0nk> okay
[05:33] <tehm0nk> made a dir now need to redownload etc
[05:34] <m1k3> My floppy is /media/floppy0
[05:34] <tehm0nk> the floppy was actually working i'm just a boon
[05:34] <tehm0nk> and didn't have one in there
[05:34] <fignew> floppy? what's that?
[05:34] <fignew> ;)
[05:34] <tehm0nk> was actually able to easily format it too
[05:34] <tehm0nk> fignew, should i reply with a wiki link?
[05:35] <tehm0nk> LOL
[05:35] <tehm0nk> jk
[05:35] <tehm0nk> it's that CRAP WINXP needs to use SATA RAID
[05:35] <tehm0nk> that i FORGOT to make a driver FLOPPY for.
[05:35] <tehm0nk> before i whiped
[05:36] <tehm0nk> ok now i'm screwed
[05:36] <tehm0nk> wine cfg somehow got messed
[05:36] <tehm0nk> and it wont run .exe's right anymore.
[05:36] <tehm0nk> wonderful
[05:36] <tehm0nk> just gonna reboot
[05:37] <tehm0nk> brb
[05:49] <nnaushahi> hi again
[05:52] <sFEARs> i have an internal broadcom wireless 802.11.. when i click on enable interface it clicks on for a half a second then turns right back off.. any ideas on how to get it to stay on?
[05:52] <sFEARs> i'm working off the 7.04 live cd
[05:53] <sFEARs> mabey i can't enable wireless networking on the live cd?
[05:54] <nnaushahi> it wont save settings probably, ,thats why
[05:54] <sFEARs> it should save them locally though.. just won't save on reboot
[05:55] <nnaushahi> not sure, am newbie
[05:55] <sFEARs> thanks anyway
[05:55] <ardchoille> sFEARs: Anything done in a livecd session that isn't saved to some other media is erased when the livecd session ends.
[05:56] <sFEARs> i'm just trying to get it working in the current session
[05:57] <bazhang> sFEARs: any reason not to try the gutsy live cd?
[05:57] <sFEARs> i happen to have a copy of 7.04
[05:57] <Slynderdale> Anyone here familiar with Konversation? If so, is it possible to create custom commands? LIke make it so if text gets prepended with a : it will send it as a /me command? Basicly I want to make a /me shortcut
[05:57] <sFEARs> i just got it in the mail like 2 months ago
[05:58] <bazhang> sFEARs: much more wireless support in gutsy
[05:58] <sFEARs> IC
[05:58] <sFEARs> i'm installing.. i'll see what happens
[05:58] <sFEARs> proally won't work
[05:59] <nnaushahi> this is my first day using ubuntu and Konversation
[05:59] <nnaushahi> heres what u can do Slynderdale
[05:59] <sFEARs> welcome to a help channel nnaushahi
[05:59] <nnaushahi> settings - configure
[05:59] <sFEARs> sometimes we even help
[05:59] <nnaushahi> Command Aliases
[06:00] <nnaushahi> google
[06:05] <Slynderdale> Hmm, where can I get the SOAP::Lite perl module required by Konversation?
[06:06] <ardchoille> !info libsoap-lite-perl | Slynderdale
[06:06] <ubotu> slynderdale: libsoap-lite-perl: Client and server side SOAP implementation. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.69-1 (gutsy), package size 389 kB, installed size 1472 kB
[06:12] <posingaspopular> hey all I keep getting this error when I try to launch Virtual Box: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48409/ I mean, i know how to read, but i duno how to fix the specific error
[06:14] <FireCrotch> posingaspopular: You need to install the package virtualbox-ose-modules
[06:14] <Slynderdale> Whats a good FTP client with a decent GUI for K/Ubuntu?
[06:15] <ardchoille> kftpgrabber
[06:15] <posingaspopular> should I install the modules-server 6 or modules-generic 6?
[06:15] <sFEARs> would a program like kftpgrabber work on ubuntu? or does it need kde?
[06:15] <FireCrotch> posingaspopular: well, you would use server if you're running a server kernel
[06:15] <ardchoille> sFEARs: kde apps work quite well in gnome and vice-versa
[06:15] <phantomon> hi
[06:16] <sFEARs> alright
[06:16] <posingaspopular> ah im just trying to mess around with a distro
[06:16] <Slynderdale> !info kftpgrabber
[06:16] <ubotu> kftpgrabber: ftp client for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-1 (gutsy), package size 1122 kB, installed size 3192 kB
[06:16] <FireCrotch> posingaspopular:  sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-modules-`uname -r` will get you the right version
[06:17] <phantomon> how can i download a package in spanish for my open office
[06:17] <phantomon> ?
[06:18] <FireCrotch> phantomon: sudo apt-get install openoffice.org-l10n-es
[06:19] <Slynderdale> Thanks ardchoille, that will do
[06:19] <ardchoille> yw Slynderdale
[06:19] <phantomon> thx ! :D
[06:20] <FireCrotch> yw phantomon
[06:35] <Slynderdale> Hmm, anyone know of a good gmail notifcation application for linux?
[06:36] <ardchoille> Slynderdale: apt-cache search gmail
[06:43] <damone> is there a way to make bash's autocomplete feature to use less instead of more?
[06:44] <tehm0nk> So...
[06:44] <tehm0nk> i can't get winxp to work whatsoever
[06:44] <tehm0nk> even with a driver disk that doesn't error
[06:44] <tehm0nk> it tells me no disks found
[06:45] <tehm0nk> and i dont have a vista disk
[06:45] <tehm0nk> so i'm going to just install kubuntu
[06:45] <tehm0nk> hmm
[06:45] <tehm0nk> but
[06:45] <tehm0nk> i can't figure out how to partition it again lol
[06:45] <tehm0nk> lost my link
[06:45] <tehm0nk> gparted?
[06:46] <tehm0nk> does that work with kubuntu?
[06:47] <mgolden> tehm0nk: when you use the live CD it isn't offering you a step to partition the disk?
[06:47] <ardchoille> tehm0nk: Yes, most gnome apps work in kde
[06:50] <tehm0nk> i'll try with the installer
[06:50] <tehm0nk> i want to make multiple parts tho
[06:50] <sigma_kubuntu> where can i ask a question about greylisting?
[06:50] <tehm0nk> one DEAD part at the beginning for windows & windows swap for later on....
[06:51] <sigma_kubuntu> tehm0nk: windows swap is just a file. not a partition
[06:52] <tehm0nk> i know but the boot stuff wants a place too
[06:52] <tehm0nk> so i wanted a ntfs part at the beginning for windows
[06:52] <tehm0nk> but i dont see it in the install part...
[06:52] <sigma_kubuntu> its the pagefile.sys file in your win partition
[06:53] <tehm0nk> sigma no cause i'm not a window retard
[06:53] <tehm0nk> i dont put my pagefile there
[06:53] <tehm0nk> ever
[06:53] <tehm0nk> not in the windows partition
[06:53] <tehm0nk> fragmentation ftl
[06:53] <tehm0nk> since 98se i've done what i do
[06:53] <sigma_kubuntu> it should be on the face of the harddrive but thats only if its enabled
[06:54] <tehm0nk> ok here is what i *want*
[06:54] <sigma_kubuntu> it dnt make a diff where that pagefile is
[06:55] <tehm0nk> 1. ntfs 3gb part for windows pagefile.sys and boot.ini 2. linux boot dunno the size to make that 3. linux swap 4. linux "/" 5 linux /home 6 for vista 7 storage
[06:55] <tehm0nk> sigma i hate to say it but i really beg to differ
[06:55] <tehm0nk> if it's in with the windows OS
[06:56] <tehm0nk> on that partition the pagefile helps fragment the drive as it grows shrinks.
[06:56] <sigma_kubuntu> bsander: with some fiddling i got the tv out working:) thanks a mil. why can't i use my mouse on the tv though?
[06:56] <tehm0nk> and btw why do you think linux distros want a swap part?
[06:56] <tehm0nk> ...
[06:56] <GreatBritain> morning all - i am now running mysql and postgresql along side and i still no better off !
[06:57] <tehm0nk> is "parted" a gui app or command line?
[06:57] <mgolden> them0nk: Do you already have Windows installed on a partition?
[06:57] <GreatBritain> the i received an e-mail from TuxShop support stating install MySQL
[06:57] <GreatBritain> so i have.. how to create a database
[06:57] <tehm0nk> no cant get winxp to recognize my raid drivers
[06:57] <tehm0nk> ugh
[06:57] <tehm0nk> so i'm dling vista tonight
[06:57] <sigma_kubuntu> greatbritain: whats the problem? i do that and it works
[06:57] <mgolden> Ah
[06:57] <tehm0nk> which i had on here earlier and worked great
[06:58] <tehm0nk> but i want a working non-cd booted computer
[06:58] <tehm0nk> :-P
[06:58] <SatManUK> sigma_kubuntu: when i install TuxShop it says its unable to communicate with the database
[06:58] <tehm0nk> how much space does a /boot partition need?
[06:58] <mgolden> them0nk: I would definitely try the liveCD
[06:58] <tehm0nk> i'm on it now
[06:58] <tehm0nk> ...
[06:58] <tehm0nk> :-P
[06:59] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did u create the database?
[06:59] <mgolden> them0nk: I don't think it needs very much
[06:59] <SatManUK> in mysql i am not sure how..
[06:59] <SatManUK> is it the catalog?
[06:59] <FireCrotch> tehm0nk: about 100mb, if even that
[06:59] <sigma_kubuntu> tehm0nk: qtparted is also a good app for kde
[06:59] <tehm0nk> ok that sounds good
[07:00] <tehm0nk> ok i'll install it and try that...
[07:01] <tehm0nk> qtparted?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> is that in adept?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> or do i have to find it?
[07:01] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: no u must create one manually. download kmysqladmin to do it. you dont have apache installed hey?
[07:01] <SatManUK> i do have apache installed
[07:01] <tehm0nk> ack nm found that
[07:01] <tehm0nk> where do i run that from?
[07:01] <sigma_kubuntu> tehm0nk: i got it from packages.ubuntu.com
[07:01] <tehm0nk> duh nm
[07:01] <SatManUK> i was using it for sql-ledger another app i was trying to use instead.. but had errors with that also
[07:01] <tehm0nk> lol
[07:01] <etfb> Has anyone tried uninstalling Dolphin in KDE?  What happens?  Does Konqueror come back, or are you left in limbo?
[07:01] <tehm0nk> it's already installed
[07:02] <SatManUK> i have kmysqladmin installed
[07:02] <Daisuke_Ido> !d3lphin | etfb
[07:02] <ubotu> etfb: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[07:02] <tehm0nk> does qtparted work with Raid?
[07:02] <tehm0nk> heh
[07:02] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: ok rather download a php tool called phpmyadmin, u do have php installed hey?
[07:02] <etfb> Daisuke_Ido: thankyou!  I'd offer to have your babies if I were able.  I _hate_ Dolphin!
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> etfb: wait until kde4's release before saying that
[07:03] <tehm0nk> it's showing each of my hd's separate
[07:03] <tehm0nk> and dmraid is installed and working
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> the version in gutsy's 3.5 has actually been abandoned for some time, it's a very porr filemanager.
[07:03] <SatManUK> if its not it will install it as a dependancy anyway..
[07:03] <SatManUK> hold on
[07:03] <Daisuke_Ido> poor*
[07:04] <Daisuke_Ido> the actual dolphin in kde4 is pretty nice though
[07:04] <etfb> Daisuke_Ido: Why?  Will there be a new version that doesn't have BROKEN TRANSLATION messages everywhere and will actually do all the things that I miss from Konq, like the Shift+Delete menu option?
[07:04] <tehm0nk> kde4 isn't released?
[07:04] <etfb> tehm0nk: not till next month
[07:04] <SatManUK> downloading php5 now
[07:04] <etfb> tehm0nk: I can't wait!
[07:04] <tehm0nk> so i'm a month early at messing with linux :-P
[07:04] <tehm0nk> lol
[07:05] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: yeah its much easier to use phpmyadmin than kmysqladmin
[07:05] <SatManUK> ok
[07:06] <etfb> Daisuke_Ido: it works!  Oh gods, what a relief!
[07:06] <SatManUK> ok its installed
[07:06] <SatManUK> php and phpmyadmin
[07:06] <SatManUK> its configured apache2
[07:06] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: u can find phpmyadmin by googling it. u need to put it in \var\www somewhere
[07:06] <SatManUK> its in apt
[07:06] <FireCrotch> or sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[07:07] <SatManUK> i done it
[07:07] <ishnayder> update to 7.10 just failed. could not configure bunch of packages due to dependency problems???? system may not be in a runnable state? any sugesstions?
[07:07] <sigma_kubuntu> oh ok well open phpmyadmin- shud open from web browser
[07:07] <etfb> IS anyone still using PHP4 under Gutsy?  Installing is a pain, because you need to install Apache from source as well, otherwise it has the wrong options -- right?
[07:08] <sigma_kubuntu> etfb: why not use php 5?
[07:08] <SatManUK> how to i access phpmyadmin now from a browser?
[07:08] <SatManUK> http://localhost/phpmyadmin?
[07:08] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: because one of the web hosts I do dev work for only has PHP4.
[07:08] <SatManUK> thats a good guess..
[07:09] <SatManUK> it worked
[07:09] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: the PHP team messed up the upgrade to PHP5 so badly that most ISPs still don't use it
[07:09] <sigma_kubuntu> eftb: well thats pretty sad. y dont they upgrade?
[07:09] <FireCrotch> etfb:  you shouldn't have to install apache from source to use php4
[07:09] <SatManUK> so then yes in KMyAdmin Catalogues are Databases and I have created a database called TuxShop
[07:09] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: because the vast majority of their users are almost computer illiterate, and couldn't handle the inevitable errors if they upgraded
[07:09] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did u manage2 create the new database?
[07:10] <etfb> sigma_kubuntu: that's why PHP5 failed so dismally in the wider marketplace
[07:10] <sigma_kubuntu> ok try installing it again
[07:10] <etfb> FireCrotch: the problem is that you need to reconfigure with the --enable-so option, and as far as I can tell, I can't do that without just installing the lot from source and bypassing apt.  Have you tried?
[07:11] <tehm0nk> can ALL linux partitions be encased in a extended partition by this i mean, /boot, swap, "/", /home??
[07:11] <tehm0nk> uh oh! it's FireCrotch again
[07:11] <sigma_kubuntu> eftb: i see. i didnt upgrade so didnt have that problem
[07:12] <ardchoille> !lamp | etfb there's more info on how to install here
[07:12] <ubotu> etfb there's more info on how to install here: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:12] <FireCrotch> etfb: I've used php4 on gutsy-server, it was just a simple apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4
[07:12] <mgolden> Does anyone here know anything about the kde4 RC2 live CD?
[07:12] <ardchoille> FireCrotch: Yeah
[07:12] <mgolden> I am trying it with my old Sony Vaio PCG-XG19
[07:13] <mgolden> and unless I start it in safe graphics mode
[07:13] <etfb> FireCrotch: is that in the standard repositories.  I didn't notice it.  Will it set everything up?  I figured a lib* package was purely the backend C libraries, no front-end parser/web stuff
[07:13] <mgolden> it starts, then immediately crashes, then restarts
[07:14] <mgolden> over and over again
[07:14] <sigma_kubuntu> mgolden: its probably still got a few bugs
[07:14] <etfb> mgolden: I've got a copy from a magazine that I was planning to try.  Have you tried it on a different machine?
[07:14] <tehm0nk> can /boot be in a logical partition or no?
[07:14] <FireCrotch> etfb:  You need to install php4 and libapache2-mod-php4
[07:14] <FireCrotch> !info libapache2-mod-php4
[07:14] <ubotu> Package libapache2-mod-php4 does not exist in gutsy
[07:15] <FireCrotch> Okay, that's impossible, I know I've used it
[07:15] <mgolden> sigma_kubuntu: sure - I am wondering if it does something new and different with X11, and where should I repot this behavior?
[07:16] <mgolden> etfb: yes, it starts on my Dell Inspiron 6400
[07:16] <etfb> FireCrotch: Package libapache2-mod-php4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:16] <etfb> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:16] <etfb> is only available from another source
[07:16] <etfb> E: Package libapache2-mod-php4 has no installation candidate
[07:16] <FireCrotch> Yeah, I just got that when I tried to install it here on this box
[07:16] <ardchoille> FireCrotch: iirc, only libapache2-mod-php5 is ingutsy
[07:17] <etfb> FireCrotch: pretty much indicates that it's in some non-standard repos.  I've got uni/multi and some medibuntu ones in there.  Any guesses where else it might live, or shall I pray to Google?
[07:17] <sigma_kubuntu> mgolden: it prob does. its not that supported so u should wait for the final release. perhaps u should submit a bug to the kde team?
[07:17] <mgolden> etfb: I actually burned it twice because I thought there might have been a problem with the burn
[07:18] <mgolden> sigma{kubuntu: do you mean in launchpad?
[07:18] <FireCrotch> etfb:  Hmmmm, I have no idea, I only have official repos enabled
[07:18] <etfb> ardchoille: Yes, I remember reading the justification for the omission, that "PHP4 is no longer supported".  Never mind that those of us who live in the real world don't get to upgrade just because some unpaid Ubuntu-maintainer twonk says we should...
[07:18] <sigma_kubuntu> no i mean at bugs.kde.org
[07:18] <SatManUK> sigma_kubuntu: i think the program wants to create its own database..
[07:19] <SatManUK> it asks for the root password
[07:19] <etfb> mgolden: Clarify for me.  It works on your Dell 6400 but not on another machine?
[07:19] <ardchoille> etfb: In all fairness, the ubuntu developers know what they're doing and may have information that you and I don't have.
[07:19] <tehm0nk> anyone know what this means:
[07:19] <tehm0nk> Create Extended Partition #2 (extended, 63.47 GiB) on /dev/mapper/nvidia_ibdabjdf  00:00    ( ERROR )
[07:19] <tehm0nk>
[07:19] <tehm0nk>    create empty partition  00:00    ( ERROR )
[07:19] <tehm0nk>    libparted messages    ( INFO )
[07:19] <tehm0nk>
[07:19] <tehm0nk>   Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[07:19] <ardchoille> !pastebin | tehm0nk
[07:19] <ubotu> tehm0nk: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:19] <mgolden> etfb: yes
[07:19] <sigma_kubuntu> there is no root password. leav it blank
[07:20] <maduser> Hey when i play frets on fire the lights flash too bright
[07:20] <maduser> is there any way i can lower them?
[07:20] <etfb> sorry - have 5 week old baby to cuddle.  afk
[07:20] <mgolden> etfb: the machine it doesn't work on is an old Sony Vaio PCG-XG19
[07:21] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48411/
[07:21] <tehm0nk> there is the whole thing then...
[07:21] <FireCrotch> etfb:  I don't see any reason the feisty packages wouldn't work, you could download it manually and install it
[07:21] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did u try a blank password?
[07:23] <SatManUK> i removed the user password
[07:23] <SatManUK> now im running dkpg -i tuxshop.deb now
[07:23] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did it work?
[07:23] <SatManUK> im trying now..
[07:23] <SatManUK> Welcome -> Next
[07:24] <SatManUK> server localhost
[07:24] <SatManUK> user tux
[07:24] <SatManUK> password <blank>
[07:24] <SatManUK> database TuxShop
[07:24] <SatManUK> next
[07:24] <SatManUK> database root and password
[07:25] <sigma_kubuntu> yeah wat bout it?
[07:25] <SatManUK> i don't think it has the database drivers
[07:25] <SatManUK> QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded
[07:25] <SatManUK> QSqlDatabase: available drivers: (null)
[07:25] <SatManUK> thats what it says in konsole
[07:26] <sigma_kubuntu> wat on earth is qsql?
[07:26] <SatManUK> then in the gui it says The TuxShop Database could not be created, as it was unable to connect to the MySQL server, using the details provided the wizard has no option but to terminate
[07:27] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: what do u want to use the software for?
[07:27] <SatManUK> im starting up a shop
[07:27] <SatManUK> so i want the point of sale software
[07:27] <sigma_kubuntu> do u really need the pos feature?
[07:27] <SatManUK> well i just want stock control
[07:28] <SatManUK> planning applications
[07:28] <SatManUK> i don't need the till control
[07:28] <sigma_kubuntu> hav u taken a look at quasar accounting?
[07:28] <SatManUK> no..
[07:28] <SatManUK> is that an apt package or not?
[07:29] <sigma_kubuntu> thats what i using. sum one made a gutsy package with full instructions
[07:29] <ardchoille> SatManUK: You can search your package cache with:  apt-cache search quasar
[07:29] <sigma_kubuntu> its in the ubuntu forum. search for quasar
[07:30] <sigma_kubuntu> its not in the repo for some odd reason
[07:31] <SatManUK> i found it in linuxcanada but in rpm..
[07:31] <ardchoille> SatManUK: http://www.linuxcanada.com/
[07:31] <SatManUK> ok to alien it in
[07:32] <ardchoille> SatManUK: No, using alien is dangerous
[07:32] <ardchoille> !alien | SatManUK
[07:32] <ubotu> SatManUK: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:32] <sigma_kubuntu> no satmanuk theres a prebuilt deb in ubuntuforums.org
[07:32] <SatManUK> im going their now
[07:33] <sigma_kubuntu> and it works perfectly
[07:35] <sigma_kubuntu> so if i search with kmldonkey. il get the same results as searching with limewire?
[07:36] <SatManUK> im downloading Quasar deb now
[07:36] <neville__> Just use Frostwire
[07:36] <SatManUK> im following the how to that was created yesterday
[07:36] <SatManUK> for postgres
[07:37] <Ayabara> I have bought a creative zen mp3 player that I want to use with Ubuntu. When I plug it in nothing happens. Amarok sees no devices to connect to. libmtp is installed.
[07:37] <sigma_kubuntu> neville: i dnt wana use a java app. so will kmlmonkey do the same job?
[07:37] <neville__> I've never used any of them to be honest, I just run Shareaza in wine =]
[07:38] <ardchoille> Ayabara: The only thing I could find for Creative Zen was this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199250
[07:39] <sigma_kubuntu> isnt there something in help.ubuntu.com for the zen in community docs?
[07:40] <Ayabara> ardchoille: thanks. I'll give the thread a go
[07:41] <ardchoille> sigma_kubuntu: The only thing I could find was a link to the page I posted
[07:41] <SatManUK> 52% downloaded..
[07:41] <SatManUK> its shame its not included in the distro..
[07:41] <SatManUK> i would be able to download it 10 times faster..
[07:42] <ardchoille> SatManUK: Quasar?
[07:42] <SatManUK> yeah
[07:42] <SatManUK> but i guess its somebodies built package..
[07:42] <SatManUK> its not officially licenced under kubuntu..
[07:42] <ardchoille> SatManUK: Quasar isn't included in the distro because it's closed source, and I think you have to purchase it
[07:42] <SatManUK> and no doubt costs a fortune..
[07:42] <tehm0nk> !raid
[07:42] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[07:42] <XceII> Quasar: Works in a drawer.
[07:43] <ardchoille> hi XceII
[07:43] <XceII> Hey sweetie.
[07:43] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: its not closed source!
[07:43] <XceII> I saw your papers...nice work..
[07:44] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: it used to be but they changed it
[07:44] <XceII> Windows is not an opeating system,,It is a psyop.
[07:44] <ardchoille> SatManUK: My bad, I was wrong.. after further reading I found "Quasar Accounting Software is 100% GPL"
[07:46] <sigma_kubuntu> u only pay for the pos addon but thats for support
[07:46] <SatManUK> does that mean though your supposed to purchase it for commerical purposes but not for non commerical?
[07:46] <XceII> Hey sigma..
[07:47] <sigma_kubuntu> hey XceII
[07:47] <sky_> Hi... I'm trying to use kopete to see my windows live message account for the first time
[07:48] <XceII> Lol sigma..I love U 2.
[07:48] <sky_> however, i only got the folders, but no users show up...
[07:48] <XceII> Good folk.
[07:48] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: no the pos version must be purchased for any purpose
[07:48] <XceII> stifles.
[07:48] <SatManUK> sky_: have you set to view online users?
[07:48] <sky_> can someone help me to get my MSN users on my kopete?
[07:48] <SatManUK> if they are offline click on the icon
[07:48] <SatManUK> and show offline users
[07:49] <SatManUK> ah ok
[07:49] <sky_> SatManUK: hmm yea i have the "show offline" and "show empty groups" clicked
[07:49] <SatManUK> well i don't need that - atm anyhow
[07:49] <SatManUK> and you clicked the little +'s?
[07:49] <sky_> and I'm sure at least some users are online, so I don't know where they went.
[07:49] <Slynderdale> Hmm, anyone know of a good gmail notification application for linux?
[07:49] <sky_> beside the folders, there are no "+"'s
[07:50] <NickPresta> Slynderdale, gmail-notify. It's in the repos
[07:51] <sky_> I go to configure -> accounts -> <MSN account> -> Contacts, and I only see 1 contact there on the "allowed contacts", and no one else
[07:51] <Slynderdale> NickPresta: There seems to be like three in there, hence why I was asking
[07:51] <sky_> it's obviously my first time using kopete... weird that it got all my folders but only 1 out of my 300 users
[07:52] <NickPresta> Slynderdale, okay. I was just pointing out gmail-notify. I like it
[07:52] <sky_> any other suggestions on what i can try?
[07:53] <XceII> Just a note: Are we giving google too much leeway to our privy with allowing silent allowance?, Something to think about.
[07:54] <sigma_kubuntu> sky: try sumting besides kopete
[07:54] <sigma_kubuntu> XceII: just dont deal with google
[07:55] <ardchoille> !ot
[07:55] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:55] <XceII> They have the market, Be smart.
[07:55] <fignew> ot nazi :P
[07:55] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: hmm so is it a known problem?
[07:55] <ardchoille> fignew: Please be respectful of others
[07:56] <hypernewbie> hey guys, ive got a slight problem thats very annoying
[07:56] <NickPresta> hypernewbie, what seems to be the problem?
[07:56] <hypernewbie> when i installed kubuntu on my compaq presario v2000, it worked fine
[07:56] <sigma_kubuntu> sky: wouldnt know. ive only used jabber
[07:56] <hypernewbie> acpi was perfect except i couldnt hibernate(i dont have enough enough swap so thats no surprize)
[07:57] <Ayabara> anyone know where I can get some help with libmtp stuff?
[07:57] <hypernewbie> i could suspend fine
[07:57] <hypernewbie> now, my laptop hangs on a black screen when i g suspend
[07:57] <NickPresta> Ayabara, what do you need help with?
[07:57] <hypernewbie> and when i used to hibernate, it'll try to hibernate then say not enough swap then come back
[07:57] <hypernewbie> now when i hibernate, it is the same black screen lock result
[07:57] <Ayabara> NickPresta: I try to connect to my Creative Zen in Gutsy. Gnomad2 gives me some mtp errors. Hold on and I will pastebin them.
[07:57] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: i get that 2. thats y i dont hibernate or suspend
[07:58] <hypernewbie> is ther any way to revert acpi settings or something
[07:58] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: haha, but this is a laptop :P
[07:58] <NickPresta> Ayabara, can you connect your device using mtp-connect? (mtp-tools)
[07:58] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: suspend = life
[07:59] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: yeah it also happens on a laptop 4me- dell d600
[07:59] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: u mean battery life?
[07:59] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: but it USED to work, like if it never worked then fair enough
[07:59] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: yeah
[07:59] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: i USED to be able to suspend fine
[08:00] <Ayabara> NickPresta: which arguments should I give mtp-connect?
[08:00] <NickPresta> hypernewbie, I know this is (slightly) unhelpful, but if you check here: http://www.google.com/search?q=laptop%20suspend%20black%20screen%20ubuntu there are many, many pages with information regarding your problem. Perhaps you can narrow it down?
[08:00] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: then y2.00712k came and it died
[08:00] <sigma_kubuntu> yeah it works til a certain time 4me. then it black screens
[08:00] <hypernewbie> haha
[08:00] <Ayabara> NickPresta: btw, here is my paste if you care to take a look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48413/
[08:00] <hypernewbie> timebomb
[08:01] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: ok thanks !
[08:01] <NickPresta> Ayabara, which version of libmtp?
[08:01] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: i prefer the devs to fix it. dont wana damage anything
[08:01] <Ayabara> NickPresta: mtp-detect says no devices are found
[08:01] <SatManUK> i have installed qasar
[08:01] <SatManUK> sone all the create users
[08:01] <Ayabara> NickPresta: libmtp6 from repositories
[08:01] <XceII> People: All the tools work differently, Per Application: It is up to the applicator to differentiate those tools with (shared) experience that allows group experience...Work together.
[08:01] <hypernewbie> hmm
[08:01] <SatManUK> now it says i need to reboot so.. brb y'all
[08:01] <Ayabara> NickPresta: should I compile from source maybe?
[08:02] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: i really REALLY want suspend ...
[08:02] <SatManUK> sky_: did you solve your problem? sorry my computer froze doing an install
[08:02] <SatManUK> brb after reboot ok
[08:02] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: interesting cause when my comp goes suspend the pwore light flashes, so that means ubuntu isnt having problems resuming
[08:02] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: its having problems suspending in the first place
[08:02] <sigma_kubuntu> ok it didnt ask me2reboot
[08:03] <NickPresta> Ayabara, version 0.2.1 (libmtp6) should work fine.
[08:03] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: same here but the screen neva re activates
[08:04] <NickPresta> Ayabara, when your device is connected, mtp-detect doesn't find anything?
[08:04] <sky_> SatManUK; no I'm still trying to search for answer in the net
[08:05] <Ayabara> NickPresta: no, but lsusb has detected it
[08:06] <sigma_kubuntu> hypernewbie: wel at least its 90 percent working
[08:06] <hypernewbie> hypernewbie
[08:06] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: yeah
[08:07] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: except u can see kubuntu is like buggy here and there
[08:07] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: unstable release, lives up to its name
[08:07] <sigma_kubuntu> so is windows!
[08:07] <sigma_kubuntu> what release r u using?
[08:07] <mikes1> I am running hardy on a new laptop
[08:08] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: gutsy
[08:08] <mikes1> It detects all h/ware
[08:08] <mikes1> but not sorted and slow
[08:08] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: do u know how acpi works?
[08:08] <hypernewbie> sigma_kubuntu: i'm in /proc/acpi tryin go vi stuff
[08:08] <hypernewbie> trying to*
[08:08] <sigma_kubuntu> nope havent a clue
[08:08] <XceII> Remember: Peeople, Windows is closed sourse, Linus (is-not).
[08:09] <neville__> Windows is good when it's running inside a virtual machine, Wine can handle my games just fine, life is good
[08:10] <hypernewbie> erm
[08:10] <sky_> SatManUK are you back yet?
[08:10] <hypernewbie> is it a good idea to touch /proc/acpi stuff
[08:10] <NickPresta> Ayabara, before I give up on solutions, what happens when you run gnomad2 or mtp-detect as root?
[08:11] <hypernewbie> well, i'm gunna pray and hit the suspend button.
[08:11] <XceII> lol
[08:12] <sigma_kubuntu> prob not hypernewbie. just make sure your data is backed up
[08:12] <hypernewbie> yep.
[08:12] <hypernewbie> all backed up.
[08:13] <sigma_kubuntu> wel giv it a go
[08:13] <surgy> hi :)
[08:14] <sigma_kubuntu> helo surgy
[08:14] <XceII> Hibernating should (only) be set (once) all settings in a )total) sys has Been confirmed, Not as a push button to and for the (un) completed system...Think Smart.
[08:15] <Ayabara> NickPresta: the dump was from when I ran gnomad2 as root. running mtp-detect as root gives the same output from libmtp about an unknown device
[08:15] <surgy> anyone here good with electronics? i sure could use some help in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:16] <NickPresta> Ayabara, hm. Im out of ideas. Perhaps post your problem and output in the forums.
[08:17] <Ayabara> NickPresta: ok. thanks for helping out
[08:17] <sigma_kubuntu> ayabara: should hav goten a ipod
[08:17] <XceII> Off-topic is for coffee drinkers.
[08:18] <sigma_kubuntu> yes indeed it is
[08:19] <fgeyser> hi all
[08:19] <XceII> hi
[08:19] <XceII> state your problem
[08:19] <Ayabara> sigma_kubuntu: some might say :-)
[08:20] <fgeyser> im new to linux, how do i get new apps installed ?
[08:20] <sigma_kubuntu> does canonical still exist?
[08:20] <ardchoille> !repos | fgeyser
[08:20] <ubotu> fgeyser: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:20] <NickPresta> !adept | fgeyser
[08:20] <ubotu> fgeyser: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:20] <oneeyedelf1> how would I install opera on a 64bit kubuntu?
[08:21] <fgeyser> thanks
[08:21] <stdin> oneeyedelf1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser#head-8b233e94ad0c1adc2f768dd1dd7c403b6f8ddd75
[08:21] <fgeyser> what about running microsoft apps ?
[08:22] <XceII> Re-install 32 bit-increase your buss speed, and +33 on the mem...enjoy.
[08:22] <NickPresta> !wine > fgeyser
[08:24] <fgeyser> it was a mission to get bluetooth running, what about vodaphone 3g usb modem ?
[08:24] <GreatBritain> ok i rebooted but i can't get Quasar Admin to load
[08:24] <GreatBritain> so i can't create a database?
[08:26] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: just FYI: the problem is gone. I simply remove my MSN account and added it again, and the entire contact list came back.
[08:26] <sky_> sigma_kubuntu: thanks for the help
[08:26] <sky_> SatManUK: you too.
[08:27] <sigma_kubuntu> thought that wud help as well!
[08:27] <SatManUK> sky_: your more than welcome :)
[08:27] <SatManUK> we all here to help each other :)
[08:27] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: did it work?
[08:27] <XceII> Exactly.
[08:27] <SatManUK> i can't load quasar admin
[08:27] <sky_> yup. hopefully i'll be able to be answering questions instead of just asking.
[08:27] <sky_> gotta go now. ttul and thanks again.
[08:27] <SatManUK> well you can help the next person who gets stuck with kopete..
[08:28] <sky_> yup
[08:29] <sigma_kubuntu> satmanuk: hmmm i neva had that problem
[08:29] <XceII> As A suggestion only, I suggest loading 32 bit versions till you get the hang of linux 1rst, Then load 64 bit so as to save time and problematic solvations....remember, This is only a suggestion.
[08:30] <SatManUK> im running it now
[08:30] <SatManUK> via console
[08:30] <sigma_kubuntu> thats a very good suggestion
[08:30] <SatManUK> something in the command line didn't work
[08:30] <SatManUK> gksudo?
[08:31] <sigma_kubuntu> oh yes satmanuk. the shortcut on da menu uses gksu. u must change it to sudo
[08:31] <SatManUK> now in understand :)
[08:31] <sigma_kubuntu> gksudo is gnome
[08:31] <SatManUK> is that for gnome users?
[08:31] <SatManUK> or something?
[08:32] <SatManUK> what uses gksudo?
[08:32] <tehm0nk> !raid
[08:32] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[08:32] <SatManUK> ok i created a new company
[08:32] <sigma_kubuntu> change gksudo to sudo
[08:33] <NickPresta> sigma_kubuntu, if it uses gksu, the kde equivalent would be kdesu
[08:33] <sigma_kubuntu> wel i gota run. hope it works 4u
[08:33] <SatManUK> aha
[08:33] <sigma_kubuntu> nick: sudo worked in its place 4me
[08:33] <stdin> use "kdesu"/"kdesudo" not "sudo"
[08:34] <SatManUK> i created to company
[08:34] <sigma_kubuntu> stdin: whats the difference?
[08:34] <stdin> !kdesu | this
[08:34] <ubotu> this: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[08:34] <oneeyedelf1> if you used dkpg to install a package, how do you uninstall it?
[08:34] <NickPresta> oneeyedelf1, dpkg -r PACKAGE
[08:35] <oneeyedelf1> thanks
[08:35] <stdin> oneeyedelf1: once it's installed you can remove it with apt-get or adept like any other package
[08:35] <oneeyedelf1> stdin: I don't find the package in adept
[08:35] <oneeyedelf1> or apt
[08:36] <stdin> you should do
[08:36] <stdin> apt just reads the dpkg database
[08:36] <SatManUK> when im trying to login its still saying the Quasar Server is not running?
[08:37] <fgeyser> i can see a app i want to install in add rem app, but it is greyed out. what does it mean ?
[08:37] <posingaspopular> in response to a virtual box error, I tried the following command with the following output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48417/ any ideas?
[08:37] <oneeyedelf1> well stdin apt didnt work put dpkg did
[08:37] <oneeyedelf1> I was using opera-static on an amd64 system
[08:38] <fgeyser> i can see a app i want to install in add rem app, but it is greyed out. what does it mean ?
[08:39] <XceII> 64?
[08:39] <SatManUK> i can connect to the DataBase via Quasar Admin
[08:39] <SatManUK> but i can't connect to it via Qausar itself suggestions?
[08:40] <XceII> Guys: Take that same question to google: Its there.
[08:41] <SatManUK> fgeyser: are you running a fresh install
[08:41] <SatManUK> have you enabled the internet sources ?
[08:41] <SatManUK> if you installed from cd without the internet active for me anyway i had to renable them to get access to them
[08:41] <fgeyser> yes updating at the  moment
[08:42] <fgeyser> enable the sources in adept ?
[08:45] <XceII> Time flies when logic prevails.
[08:46] <fgeyser> is it possible to use 3g modem on linux ?
[08:46] <XceII> Explain 3g.
[08:46] <fgeyser> vodaphone 3g usb modem
[08:47] <SatManUK> Xcell its mobile phone standard
[08:47] <XceII> Thinks.
[08:48] <SatManUK> analogue was 1g - digital 2g - 3g is tv on your mobile - faster connection - skype - sling etc..
[08:48] <XceII> ya skype
[08:48] <fgeyser> no HSDPA 3.8 mb/s
[08:48] <fgeyser> connection
[08:48] <SatManUK> hmm
[08:49] <SatManUK> dunno then..
[08:49] <fgeyser> how are you connecting to web ?
[08:50] <XceII> Wireles?
[08:50] <XceII> say no.
[08:51] <fgeyser> yes wireless but not wifi
[08:54] <fgeyser> Xcell: still there ?
[08:54] <XceII> I have no experience.
[08:54] <XceII> 2 new .
[08:54] <fgeyser> np
[08:55] <fgeyser> next question
[08:55] <fgeyser> how to install xp app
[08:55] <fgeyser> like skype ?
[08:55] <XceII> Thanks, someone either here , or, #ubuntu may have.
[08:55] <XceII> Skype is cool.
[08:56] <stdin> fgeyser: install the linux version of skype maybe?
[08:56] <fgeyser> where do i lay my hands on it ?
[08:56] <stdin> skype.com
[08:56] <SatManUK> from skype.com
[08:56] <stdin> !skype
[08:56] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:56] <XceII> as in (free) beer.
[08:56] <fgeyser> lol
[08:57] <fgeyser> thanks, stupid question
[08:57] <fgeyser> but so you learn
[08:57] <SatManUK> anybody wanna help me login to Quasar
[08:57] <tehm0nk> since i am installed fresh with no windows will kubuntu install grub correctly?
[08:57] <XceII> na  we all drink from the same info highway,
[08:57] <tehm0nk> or will i have trouble with it...?
[08:58] <SatManUK> yes
[08:58] <SatManUK> tehm0nk: what do you mean correctly?
[08:58] <tehm0nk> without much trouble setting it up?
[08:58] <SatManUK> are you dual booting in the wrong order?
[08:58] <tehm0nk> Yes sir i am
[08:58] <tehm0nk> lol
[08:58] <SatManUK> then your gonna fall..
[08:58] <tehm0nk> for now....
[08:58] <SatManUK> your singular booting for now
[08:58] <tehm0nk> i can't get winxp or anything to install
[08:59] <SatManUK> well grub should work
[08:59] <tehm0nk> i just want it to work
[08:59] <SatManUK> it should but three options
[08:59] <SatManUK> linux
[08:59] <SatManUK> linux failsafe
[08:59] <SatManUK> and linux memtest
[08:59] <tehm0nk> i partitioned off space for crapdows...
[08:59] <SatManUK> failsafe being recover mode
[08:59] <SatManUK> yes but when you install windozze it will wipe grub
[08:59] <SatManUK> you will loose your linux boot
[09:00] <tehm0nk> is that repairable?
[09:00] <SatManUK> ya
[09:00] <tehm0nk> with easybcd?
[09:00] <SatManUK> from said live cd you love so much - grub install should fix it
[09:00] <XceII> lol
[09:00] <tehm0nk> love so much
[09:00] <tehm0nk> No.
[09:00] <tehm0nk> :-P
[09:01] <XceII> I lov that guy.
[09:01] <tehm0nk> i just wanna run kubuntu at full speed
[09:01] <tehm0nk> grrrr
[09:01] <SatManUK> ok..
[09:01] <SatManUK> so install it then..
[09:01] <SatManUK> and forget windows totally
[09:01] <tehm0nk> it's at 90%
[09:02] <tehm0nk> well if i can't... run wow, update my htc titan
[09:02] <tehm0nk> or anythign i have to.
[09:02] <tehm0nk> *wants to buy a real raid card*
[09:02] <tehm0nk> ugh
[09:02] <tehm0nk> they're expensive too
[09:02] <tehm0nk> real raid card + 3 300gb sata2 drives in raid 5 would rock.
[09:03] <tehm0nk> of course
[09:03] <tehm0nk> linux would hate me cause i just know it would.
[09:03] <tehm0nk> do Any of you mess with beryl or compiz?
[09:03] <tehm0nk> i'd Really like to know how to get all the cool effects going....
[09:03] <Lynoure> no, Linux plays very nice with many real raid cards
[09:03] <tehm0nk> if this installs lol
[09:04] <tehm0nk> dude
[09:04] <tehm0nk> you dont know my luck with linux
[09:04] <XceII> Someone help him do it right, Thanks.
[09:04] <tehm0nk> XceII: are you volunteering?
[09:04] <tehm0nk> :-P
[09:04] <XceII> I stifle: I never had to.
[09:04] <Lynoure> XceII: If someone wants raid 5, and I help, it's usually paid-for gig for me.
[09:05] <tehm0nk> 94% and i'm wondering if it's gonna do more than that...
[09:05] <XceII> Well: I never paid cuz intelligent peole are nice.
[09:05] <tehm0nk> See there is that my luck thing again
[09:05] <Lynoure> So I guess that rules me out of somebodys here.
[09:06] <wietse> tehm0nk: just bang it on there, if something's up, there are more than enough people happy to help you sort it out, but try yourself first
[09:06] <tehm0nk> wietse: really?
[09:06] <Lynoure> XceII: even the intelligent nice people need to pay rent/morgage, unfortunately just volunteering rarely pays for those
[09:07] <XceII> Remember: Intelligent (linux) people got U here:, Pass it on.
[09:07] <wietse> yes of course, thats why we're all here
[09:07] <tehm0nk> ok out of the 8+ times today trying to install kubuntu...
[09:07] <tehm0nk> it has Never stalled where it did right now @ 94% Configuring Hardware
[09:07] <XceII> And Donate!
[09:07] <XceII> It pays.
[09:08] <tehm0nk> ok grub failed like normal i guess
[09:08] <XceII> It's the right thing 2 do.
[09:08] <wietse> right
[09:08] <wietse> so the last time you tried it stalled at 94%?
[09:09] <XceII> Nuff Said: Help the man out.
[09:09] <tehm0nk> no
[09:09] <tehm0nk> ok
[09:10] <tehm0nk> it completed right now.... but it never lagged that long at 94%
[09:10] <tehm0nk> it was minutes
[09:10] <tehm0nk> cd wasn't spinning or anything
[09:10] <tehm0nk> anyways let me try to go by the walkthrough for raid some more
[09:10] <tehm0nk> if i run into hell and catch on fire
[09:11] <tehm0nk> i'll see if any of yall have an extinguisher...
[09:11] <XceII> lol..re-boot and start again.'
[09:11] <XceII> check bios.
[09:11] <tehm0nk> ?
[09:12] <Lynoure> There is so much tehmonk in the logs that it's really hard to see what kind of raid he is trying to set up (I can only see the hw raid 5 he dreams of)...
[09:12] <tehm0nk> Stripe
[09:12] <XceII> exactly Lynoure
[09:12] <tehm0nk> 2 older sata1
[09:12] <tehm0nk> hey what can i say i'm a boon
[09:13] <fgeyser> thanks fo all the help igttg
[09:13] <nct> hello, can I report bugs about KDE 4 RC 2 packages to the kubuntu bug tracker ?
[09:13] <tehm0nk> off the install topic but just wondering, konquerer seems to have connection issues that i've never gotten in windows...
[09:13] <stdin> nct: what's the problem?
[09:13] <XceII><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:14] <tehm0nk> and when i put firefox on here didn't have them either
[09:14] <nct> here, RC2 packages slightly broke KDE3: when I type ALT+F2, then an internet address, konqueror opens with no address and i got a dialog asking which application I want to use to open text/html-kde4
[09:14] <nct> while being in KDE3
[09:15] <nct> it looks like the mime types are a bit mixed-up
[09:15] <nct> I've followed the instructions on kubuntu.org
[09:17] <tehm0nk> the walkthrough on raid i'm using doesn't note it, so i'm asking, but since i made a partition for /boot will i have to install grub any differantly?
[09:17] <stdin> nct: you can report the bug against kdebase-kde4 and we'll have a look
[09:17] <nct> ok, thank you
[09:19] <sigma_> hey all - i got both my tv outs working finally!! one on my ati radeon mobility 9000 with a dell d600 laptop and the other on my nvidia card, let me know if anyone wants to know how
[09:19] <tehm0nk> what i mean is will the command : "cp /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/* /boot/grub" copy them to the right directory (this maybe be a really stupid question)
[09:21] <tehm0nk> oh my .....
[09:21] <tehm0nk> !paste
[09:21] <sigma_> that means only two things left on my to-do list, activesync and sharing the internet connection (not so important)
[09:21] <tehm0nk> argh
[09:21] <tehm0nk> what is that?
[09:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:22] <nct> stdin, the bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-kde4/+bug/176681, thank you :-)
[09:22] <tehm0nk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/48418/
[09:25] <tehm0nk> ok now i'm freaking out
[09:26] <jpatrick> !raid
[09:26] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[09:27] <tehm0nk> jpatrick: thank you for the obvious i'm sorta using that already...
[09:27] <jpatrick> tehm0nk: opps, sorry
[09:27]  * jpatrick no experience with raid
[09:29] <lingard> how do i add a user with remote access?
[09:30] <stdin> nct: ok I've found what caused that and the good news is I've already uploaded the fix, the bad news is that it'll be a while before it'll be available on i386 as the PPA build system has been locked up by language pack builds
[09:30] <stdin> nct: should be a couple hours at a guess
[09:33] <nct> stdin: ok, that's not a big problem, I just have to patch my brain to add konqueror before addresses in alt+f2, anyway thank you for the efficient reactivity :-)
[09:34] <tehm0nk> ok i think i got it
[09:34] <tehm0nk> :-D
[09:34] <tehm0nk> gonna try to reboot
[09:38] <blekos> hello, i would like help with the sharing permissions. I have installed samba and now I can enable simple sharing with samba. But what does this mean? What is NFS, and how i can install it?
[09:39] <tehm0nk> Success.
[09:39] <tehm0nk> !compiz
[09:39] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[09:40] <hypernewbie> do u need xserver-xgl for compiz?
[09:40] <tehm0nk> no idea what that is
[09:40] <tehm0nk> i jsut wanna set it up?
[09:41] <hypernewbie> well i tried to get all compis-settings-mgr and compis-kde
[09:41] <tehm0nk> i dont like the #ubuntu channel so i went with kubuntu but blame youtube's video about ubuntu beryl for me wanting to try this stuff
[09:41] <hypernewbie> then went to settings manager aand the settings did nothing
[09:42] <hypernewbie> then typed compiz in console and got nothing