[01:10] <Unit193> (Still checks out.)
[01:11] <pleia2> thank you
[02:41] <pleia2> alright, finally getting around to publishing
[03:06] <pleia2> wow, I am totally operating in slow motion tonight
[03:22] <pleia2> I think I got everything, hopefully didn't mess anything up, as I'm tired
[03:24] <Unit193> \o/
[03:24] <Unit193> ~11:30 here.
[03:25] <pleia2> only 8:30 here, but long day
[03:25] <pleia2> following a short weekend ;)


[19:02]  * dholbach hugs mariogrip :)
[19:02] <nhaines> Hmm, I should've asked someone earlier (maybe popey) about the timeline for the USB sticks showing up in the Canonical Shop. :)
[19:03] <tedg> Live!
[19:03] <dholbach> WOOHOO - LAST SESSION! 🎆
[19:05] <mariogrip> dholbach: awwww, I wanted more sessions :P gimme more :P
[19:06] <dholbach> MOAR! :-)
[19:07] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYo2I7IfxX1QzAIFWOydgcz1qPIA93PhB  - playlist of all sessions at UOS
[19:07] <popey> Please share!
[19:08] <LarreaMikel> Is it here the party?
[19:08]  * dholbach hugs danialbehzadi
[19:08] <danialbehzadi> dholbach: Hugs back >:D<
[19:08] <dholbach> :-)
[19:11] <mhall119> mariogrip: you gotta wait 6 whole months now for the next UOS
[19:12] <dobey> 6? not 3?
[19:12] <mariogrip> mhall119: maybe not if popey's idea will get "accepted" ;)
[19:12] <mhall119> well, there was discussion on changing UOS, so maybe less than 6 months, but in any case not more than that
[19:12] <mariogrip> :)
[19:14] <mhall119> is there any core app that nik90 *hasn't* been a part of now?
[19:15] <tedg> Me wants directions from popey
[19:15] <ali1234> popeynav pls
[19:15] <dholbach> that's popey making UOS great again
[19:15] <dholbach> ali1234++
[19:15] <mhall119> popey navigates you in kilometers, nhaines navigates you in miles
[19:16] <tedg> Wait, can I blame popey if the directions are wrong? ;-)
[19:16] <mhall119> you can always #blamepopey
[19:16] <LarreaMikel> what is the proper IRC channel to ask about ubuntu touch app development? #ubuntu-touch ??
[19:17] <dholbach> yep
[19:17] <mhall119> LarreaMikel: #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:17] <LarreaMikel> mhall119: thanks! ;)
[19:17] <mhall119> either one, but -app-devel is more app focused, -touch is more device/OS focused
[19:18] <popey> +1
[19:20] <mariogrip> I would use unav even if i know where im going if there was a popey voice option :P
[19:20] <mhall119> those new scope designs look hot, that's on the top of my list to go back and watch
[19:20] <nhaines> mariogrip: I took over English voice prompts now!
[19:21] <nhaines> mhall119: I missed the sesssion but saw the G+ preview.  And of course read the OMGUbuntu article about how that was absolutely, definitely what they're going to look like.
[19:21] <sergiusens> mhall119 heh, nik90 is a core app hopper!
[19:21] <mariogrip> nhaines: then I will also start using unav even if i know where i go :)
[19:22] <cm-t> just added our session summary in the doc :P
[19:22] <nhaines> Hehe, I learned last week that apparently I'm the default voice if there's no localized one!
[19:22] <cm-t> (a summary of the summary :O)
[19:22] <popey> Not sure you really want my voice... http://popey.com/~alan/popey_mycroft.mp3
[19:22] <mariogrip> dpm: hud?
[19:22] <popey> hah
[19:22] <svij> popey: you have a lovely podcast-radio! … and Podcast-Face. ;)
[19:23] <mariogrip> popey: yes! i want that on my mycroft box! yes go go go :)
[19:23] <popey> svij:  😃
[19:24] <mhall119> dpm didn't mention the Ubuntu Cat Summit
[19:24] <mhall119> oh, wait, there it is
[19:25] <mariogrip> cats**
[19:25] <dholbach> haha, that's right :)
[19:25] <svij> catcontent!
[19:25] <mariogrip> haha :P
[19:26] <dholbach> always works :)
[19:26]  * mhall119 would list his dog up to the camera, but even the small one is heavy
[19:26] <svij> I remember the day when I thought ubuntu.cat is a page about ubuntu cats and not about ubuntu catalan…
[19:26] <dholbach> haha :-D
[19:27] <popey> Quick, everyone go to http://discourse.ubuntu.com/ :)
[19:28] <svij> yay ubucon europe. :)
[19:28] <dholbach> <3 <3 <3
[19:29] <svij> More info about ubucon europe: http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-europe/
[19:29] <dholbach> 🎉
[19:29] <cm-t> svij: we also have ubuntu.lol as seen during unconferences@ubucon :)
[19:29] <svij> cm-t: it lacks content :P
[19:30] <cm-t> it has nothing, it's just a random lxc generic deploy wordpress :)
[19:30] <cm-t> whaqt you want to be ther, can be :)
[19:32] <cm-t> :'D
[19:33] <mhall119> cm-t: how many made xerus noises?
[19:33] <cm-t> just not you and popey :<
[19:33] <mhall119> :)
[19:33] <Mister_Q> cm-t, cant wait for our podcast collaboration :)
[19:34] <svij> cm-t: still waiting for your interviews from the summit ;)
[19:34] <cm-t> Mister_Q: yes :)
[19:34] <cm-t> svij: already cut 3 of them (scarlet, mhall119, ryan) + sabdfl
[19:34] <dobey> l'ubuntu or lubuntu?
[19:35] <svij> cm-t: uploade!
[19:35] <svij> cm-t: allez allez allez!
[19:35] <svij> :)
[19:37] <mhall119> \o/
[19:38] <svij> this time no fireworks?
[19:38] <mhall119> svij: just cats
[19:38] <svij> :D
[19:38] <svij> exploding kittens
[19:38] <dholbach> woohoo
[19:38] <nhaines> Thanks everyone!  \o/
[19:39] <dholbach> thanks - that was really nice :)
[19:39] <LarreaMikel> cheers!
[19:39] <dholbach> this was good fun :)
[19:39] <willcooke> woo!  thanks dpm, mhall119, davidcalle, dholbach popey
[19:39] <LarreaMikel> thank you!
[19:39] <leubuntupodcast>  Thanks everyone o/
[19:39] <dpm> \o/
[19:39] <mhall119> thanks everyone!
[19:39] <popey> that were proper fun
[19:40] <davidcalle> \o/ _o_ \o/
[19:40] <popey> bah
[19:40] <popey> stupid bot
[19:42] <mhall119> lol
[19:43] <nhaines> New topic: "That was Ubuntu Online Summit!"
[19:45] <mariogrip> http://mariogrip.github.io/ubuntu-cats/
[19:46] <mariogrip> popey: fell free to pull request your cat :P
[19:46] <popey> :)
[19:47] <popey> mariogrip: http://imgur.com/pq0vPgf & http://imgur.com/KLqUNSu are mine :)
[19:49] <danialbehzadi> Thanks everyone. dholbach dpm wilcooke popey and others :*
[19:50] <popey> thanks danialbehzadi !
[19:50] <nhaines> This one's mine: http://i.imgur.com/6kQ45Wm.jpg
[19:50] <popey> awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[19:51] <popey> what a cutie!
[19:51] <nhaines> At picture time, I opened my door and he ran into my room and parked himself.
[19:53] <mariogrip> popey: added http://mariogrip.github.io/ubuntu-cats/ sorry could not add the last one, cats only allowed :P
[19:55] <mariogrip> nhaines: your cat added http://mariogrip.github.io/ubuntu-cats/
[19:55] <dpm> :)
[19:55] <popey> mariogrip: ok, take it from his twitter - http://twitter.com/salempope
[19:56] <d0od> Best. Thing. Ever.
[19:56] <mariogrip> he has his own twitter :O
[19:56] <popey> you should also get http://www.kernelcat.com/ which belongs to Mirv - Timo Jyrinki
[19:57] <popey> https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/11/3/110 for context
[19:59] <popey> mariogrip: if your cat doesn't have its own twitter, you're failing as their minion
[20:07] <mariogrip> why not http://ubuntu-cats.com/
[20:08] <mariogrip> popey: ha, the twitter tos probably does not allow non human accouns :P
[20:09] <popey> hah, there are millions of non-human accounrsa
[20:09] <popey> *accounts
[20:10] <mariogrip> :P
[20:20] <mariogrip> popey: here ya go: https://twitter.com/MissyUbuntuCat
[20:21] <popey> haha
[20:21] <popey> nice use of the e4 box
[20:21] <mariogrip> :P
[20:21] <popey> I'm sure Salem will grab the pro 5 box when it arrives ㋛
[20:21] <mariogrip> haha :P


[12:22] <rvba> roaksoax: Hi!  Just a heads up: the fix you landed yesterday in MAAS solved the enlistment problem in the lab.  Thanks!
[13:59] <roaksoax> rvba: cool thanks!!
[16:58] <b4sher> Is there a way in MAAS to modify boot options like 'noapic' and 'nomodeset'?
[18:02] <salma__> I have problem adding nodes to the server. commission fails.
[18:08] <salma__> hi
[18:36] <salma__> Node commissioning failes, can anyone help!


[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[13:50] <mcphail> I would be grateful if someone would conduct a manual review on one of my packages (package number 4033 - bg1.njmcphail) and either accept it in to the store, or feedback what needs to change to have it accepted. If manual review is not going to happen, please let me know so I stop wasting time. Thanks
[13:50] <rpadovani> popey, ^^
[13:51] <popey> jdstrand_, ^
[14:24] <Elleo> jdstrand_: heya, I've added a request for a new dbus method for download manager in the networking app armor profile here if you wouldn't mind taking a look when you have some time? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1519378
[14:50] <snizzo> jhodapp: hey there's a changelog of music hub api for ota 8?
[22:49] <ichigo1990> hello?


[05:49] <vlt> alkisg, nemo: I had already tried (and mentioned) iconv before. It doesn't complain. `echo $?` is 0
[05:50] <vlt> libreoffice shows only Gdk-WARNINGs on the command line.
[05:52] <vlt> pluma: "** (pluma:20260): WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 34 (Incomplete multibyte sequence in input) in parse_error."
[05:57] <vlt> I doublechecked in Python again: data.decode("utf8") works without raising an exception.
[06:00] <alkisg> vlt: did you configure pluma to use iso8859-15 instead of utf8?
[06:00] <alkisg> Can you pinpoint the line that causes the problem?
[06:00] <alkisg> E.g. cut half of the file, then again the other half etc, binary search, until you pinpoint the line
[06:01] <alkisg> It shouldn't need more than 5-6 bisections...
[06:01] <alkisg> Then paste the line somewhere so that we can reproduce it
[06:08]  * vlt does that.
[06:16] <vlt> alkisg: Looks like pluma chokes on a \x00
[06:16] <alkisg> vlt: text files don't contain that :)
[06:16] <alkisg> that's binary
[06:17] <vlt> "binary"
[06:17] <vlt> :-D
[06:19] <vlt> What does "binary" mean here? Is \x09 binary, too?
[06:25] <alkisg> No, it's text
[06:25] <alkisg> tab, space etc are text
[10:36] <mate|53213> a
[12:58] <krishnakarkera> hi
[12:58] <krishnakarkera> waassup
[13:13] <andreas_> hi
[13:24] <nemo> bye
[13:25] <nemo> alkisg: \x00 is definitely invalid utf-8
[13:26] <nemo> if python is accepting that they are not validating
[13:26] <nemo> it would kinda have to be invalid utf-8 or C strings would be in trouble 😉
[13:27] <nemo> well is invalid ascii too 😉
[13:27] <nemo> (for strings)
[13:29] <nemo> eh... I guess the python is just doing encoding validation, not validating that they are C-safe strings
[13:29] <nemo> hm... why would pluma care about this...
[13:29]  * nemo makes a test file
[13:30] <nemo> lol
[13:30] <nemo> I tried test^@test
[13:30] <nemo> pluma thought it was... UTF-16 I guess
[13:31] <nemo> generated something that looks like a mashup of CJK but unselectable and uncopyable
[13:32] <nemo> hm...
[13:32] <nemo> 2nd attempt w/ more utf-8. same result. RIGHT let's try putting a null inside some larger UTF-8 text file.
[13:34] <nemo> ah-hah. finally
[13:34] <nemo> had to copy a whole article off of lemonde.fr and insert a null in the middle of it ☺
[13:35] <nemo> at that point it did in fact fail validation
[13:35] <nemo> or at least fail detection
[13:35] <nemo> similar issues with "file" command
[13:35] <nemo> $ file test
[13:35] <nemo> test: UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines
[13:36] <nemo> (prior to the null
[13:36] <nemo> )
[13:36] <nemo> after the null is just test: data
[13:36] <nemo> wouldn't surprise me if pluma's using same underlying lib
[13:38] <nemo> heh. found an annoyed HN commenter a while ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3906755
[13:38] <nemo> but, eh, in a text editor this isn't totally illogical to me
[13:55] <nemo> also invalid XML actually and probably invalid in a fair # of other text formats
[13:57] <alkisg> nemo: it was vlt that had the issue, not me :)
[14:36] <nemo> ah
[15:23] <sigurdson> hiya i am at the ubuntu-mate.communnity site but i cannot find "post new" anywhere?
[15:30] <sigurdson> Ok, i will ask here..  I am worried that some of the internal parts has fault, allthough i dont know.. That is why i need some linux tools to help me. Checking the drive state on my harddrives, my motherboard graphic card and RAM. Anyone know what tools i should use?
[15:30] <Wreckedzador> (1) This is indeed a support channel :)
[15:30] <Wreckedzador> (2) Did you run a fsck?
[15:31] <sigurdson> I just asked how to post things on the community but i got no awnser :)
[15:38] <nemo> hm
[15:39] <nemo> oh well maybe he'll be back
[18:38] <swift1102> Hey guys
[19:26] <swift1102> sup folks
[20:05] <arch_n00b> this channel is used for frequent questions, correct?
[20:55] <sixwheeledbeast> He'll be back tomorrow.
[23:03] <Dekkard> what is the current LTS?
[23:24] <fernando> boa noite a todos
[23:25] <fernando> alguem pode me informar como faço para instalar o realplayer no ubuntu
[23:32] <tsimonq2> !es
[23:32] <tsimonq2> fernando: :)


[04:22] <mup> Bug #1836089 changed: Unable to pxeboot machines (2.6.0-7802 and 2.8.2-8577) <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1836089>
[04:22] <mup> Bug #1881655 changed: Can't deploy focal KVM hosts <seg> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1881655>
[04:22] <mup> Bug #1981820 changed: MAAS 3.2 can't deploy custom Ubuntu image on BIOS only machines <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1981820>


[00:16] <rww> madsailor: Hello! Anything we can help you with?
[00:17] <madsailor> rww, nope, just lurking.  Thanks!
[00:18] <h00k> madsailor: as you can probably tell from the /topic, it isn't a place to idle in. Please feel free to /part at your earliest convenience
[00:20] <madsailor> h00k, ok, sorry.  Was just interested in the issues that you may deal with.  I'll see myself out.
[00:21] <madsailor> Sorry, I also missed the topic *really* my bad
[00:24] <h00k> :)
[00:40] <elky> h00k, it's worth giving them the link to the logs when you usher them out.
[00:40] <rww> I PMed them with it.
[00:40] <rww> Might be worth putting in /topic
[00:40] <h00k> elky: yeah...you're right, I should have.
[00:41] <h00k> rww: thanks for getting my back!
[00:43] <elky> thar.
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> We should put a note in the topic saying that they should read the topic too!
[01:23] <h00k> Recursion...some people would never escape!
[01:48] <madsailor> Hello all. Thanks for the redirect to the logs earlier.  I've noticed that questions go unanswered for long periods sometimes in #ubuntu-beginners.  Would it be possible to have ubottu msg a redirect to the main #ubuntu channel rather than leaving people to wait indefinately?  Would this be a bad idea for some reason?
[02:19] <h00k> madsailor: That's a good question, and others involved in #ubuntu-beginners/ubottu are best to answer it
[02:19] <h00k> madsailor: unfortunately, I'm not an op over in #ubuntu-beginners
[02:20] <madsailor> h00k, oh, I thought the Ubuntu family of channela sll fell under #ubuntu-ops.  Where should I go to ask.  I don't want to PM a channel op out of the blue
[02:21] <elky> The core channels come under this one, team channels go under #ubuntu-irc. you're more likely to find the right people there
[02:23] <madsailor> ok elky, I'll check there.
[02:23] <madsailor> thanks
[02:23] <h00k> madsailor: ops throughout all of the channels reside in here, but we're not all ops all over the #ubuntu*-namespace
[02:23] <h00k> I mean...individually
[02:23] <h00k> if that makes sense?
[02:24] <madsailor> h00k, yep, I get it
[02:24] <h00k> Cool
[02:26] <h00k> There is some hope!
[02:27] <h00k> that not everyone that joins this is all ZOMG UNBAN ME and stuff.
[02:30]  * gpc sets mode -b h00k*!*@*
[02:31] <h00k> wooo
[02:31]  * h00k loads script autorun/revolvingdoor.pl
[02:40] <bazhang> Gulfstream has set up a channel #ubuntuPE
[02:41] <gpc> "Professional Edition"
[02:41] <gpc> hehe
[02:42] <Gulfstream> Hi, can I create the channel ##ubuntuPE?
[02:42] <bazhang> I just /cycle'd in there and now have +o
[02:42] <gpc> Gulfstream: here is the thing
[02:43] <gpc> #channels are official project channels
[02:43] <gpc> ##channels aren't
[02:43] <Gulfstream> but if UbuntuPE is to be an official project, wouldn't #ubuntupe work?
[02:44] <maco> but it's not
[02:44] <gpc> for it to become an official project channel then there are steps to follow
[02:44] <Gulfstream> so I am not allowed to create a project called 'UbuntuPE'?
[02:44] <gpc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/CreatingChannels
[02:45] <maco> Well, Ubuntu PE is not an official subproject of Ubuntu as of now, so it wouldnt get an official #ubuntu* channel
[02:45] <Flannel> Gulfstream: What sort of changes are slated for it?
[02:45] <maco> and given Canonical's trademark rules regarding the word "Ubuntu" i doubt you would be permitted to start another distro with that name
[02:45] <Flannel> (changes from the original Ubuntu)
[02:46] <Gulfstream> I guess it's not worth it...
[02:46] <maco> *shrug* all he'd have to do is make up a new name
[02:47] <maco> like Ubuntu CE --> Ichthus, and Ubuntu ME --> Sabily
[02:47] <Flannel> Depending on his changes, he may be able to use 'remix' per TM policy.  But it'd depend on the nature of those changes
[02:47] <gpc> I think he wants to add java, codecs, adobe reader...
[02:47] <maco> libreoffice
[02:47] <Flannel> We'll never know!
[02:47] <bazhang> no changes. topic is do a recommended reinstall every six months
[02:48] <maco> thunderbird
[02:48] <bazhang> so mint , minus the green wallpaper
[02:50] <h00k> but probably the same menu
[02:50] <h00k> OH, and Chess.
[02:50] <h00k> He mentioned Chess.
[02:50] <gpc> Chess is fun
[02:50] <gpc> not that 3d chess with the floating board, makes me dizzy
[02:50] <Flannel> If he's just changing default packages installed, then from what my cursory re-read is, he could use 'remix'
[05:49] <rww> !mint =~ s/, p/. P/
[06:05] <rww> anyone see a downside to appending "(webchat link: http://tinyurl.com/mintirc )" or something to the end of !mint?
[06:08] <gpc> fine with me
[06:09] <rww> In the interests of distro harmony, I will neglect to voice the opinions I have formed in the last 10 minutes about Linux Mint's choices when they set up their IRC channels.
[06:15] <rww> (meanwhile, the Mint user that just stomped out of #ubuntu hasn't been in #linuxmint-* that I can see.
[06:15] <rww> )
[06:26] <elky> for some reason they never do seem to go there
[06:26] <rww> I idled in there for a week once. Let's just say the channel isn't spilling over with answered support questions.
[08:49] <bazhang> its-me-again is not even using ubuntu
[08:49] <bazhang> LMDE
[09:25] <bazhang> chupacabra seems to want to cause issues
[15:35] <ikonia> 08:43 <+minty-fresh> hello how can i find my ip address that works for me.
[15:35] <ikonia>                      ifconfig one dont work and the one in
[15:35] <ikonia>                      http://www.whatismyip.com/   i am trying to set this up
[15:35] <ikonia> http://senk9.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/how-to-stream-media-onto-your-android-device-easily-from-anywhere/
[15:35] <ikonia> it-me-again asking in #mintsupport about the same problem he had aon "ubuntu"
[17:40] <ikonia> hello jungli, what do you want today ?
[17:40] <Jungli> ikonia: good evening
[17:40] <ikonia> what do you want today ?
[17:40] <Jungli> Sir i want to talk about my ban
[17:40] <ikonia> there is nothing to talk about
[17:41] <Jungli> plz sir don't be so rude
[17:41] <Jungli> once unbanned me
[17:41] <ikonia> I'm not, I'm stating a fact, there is nothing to discuss
[17:41] <ikonia> you will not be unbanned, so there is nothing to discuss
[17:41] <Jungli> so what should i do
[17:41] <ikonia> not use the ubuntu channels
[17:41] <Jungli> sir i am ubuntu user too
[17:42] <ikonia> that doesn't change anything
[17:42] <Jungli> its fair ?
[17:42] <ikonia> so unless there is another issue apart from your ban you wish to talk about, please leave the channel
[17:42] <Jungli> hey ikonia plz
[17:43] <ikonia> Jungli: nothing to talk about - take your jungli nick, your spicemaster nick, your john-smith nick and all the others and play elsewhere
[17:43] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[19:03] <knome> err ^
[19:03]  * Pici shrugs
[19:36] <Pici> Er, why would someone address a question to chanserv in #ubuntu, chanserv isn't even in there?!
[20:06] <h00k> Pici: :D
[20:07] <knome> irc client shows private messages in the active channel window?
[20:18] <h00k> Pici: you beat me to /at
[20:18] <Pici> He seems to be looking for "prostitutas"
[20:19] <maco> ohboy
[20:35] <mneptok> how much is he offering? because it's been cold here and i'm gonna have a killer heating bill.
[20:40] <maco> mneptok: wouldnt you be a prostituto?
[20:53] <h00k> we get all semantic-y over something like this. lol.
[20:54] <mneptok> maco: again, how much is offered? for the right price ...
[20:57] <Pici> I left him muted, you're free to op up and see if hes still asking.
[21:00] <mneptok> he probably won't cover travel expenses and wardrobe, so forget it.


[00:00] <BionicMac> emma, I see you're still dealing with the same issue. I would like to suggest something that may seem like left field but bear with me...
[00:01] <BionicMac> emma, cd /var/log/ && grep -i apparmor ./syslog* | grep resolv | less
[00:02] <BionicMac> you may find something interesting there, I did. and since my issue was not exactly the same as yours, this may lead you somewhere.
[00:02] <BionicMac> or pipe it to a file, for further investigation even.
[00:02] <BionicMac> emma, cd /var/log/ && grep -i apparmor ./syslog* | grep resolv > resolv.this.txt
[00:04] <BionicMac> emma, also please check to see if you have openvpn package installed also. Are you using VPN providers client/software/binary to connect or a native Ubuntu tool?
[00:09] <bungholio> Looks like it wasn't my connection only then.
[00:38] <rayz> hello
[00:39] <rayz> dead?
[00:39] <bungholio> alive
[00:40] <rayz> the software portal in kubuntu 17.10 is broken, how i fix it?
[00:41] <rayz> it suddenly closed when i was trying to search apps to install
[00:41] <bungholio> I'm not the apt expert but I do know some basics. Do you mean the gui?
[00:41] <rayz> yeah
[00:41] <bungholio> Discover?
[00:41] <bungholio> Or Muon?
[00:41] <rayz> Discover
[00:42] <bungholio> Well, I will say this. Learn the cli way of updating. It is always faithful.
[00:42] <bungholio> Have you tried to see that apt/apt-get is working properly from the cli?
[00:42] <rayz> yeah, i am using it, the CLI
[00:43] <bungholio> ok. so apt* is working correctly I assume?
[00:43] <rayz> but exploring the discover will find an apps that worth to try
[00:43] <rayz> apt is working great
[00:44] <rayz> is it ok to chat in here?
[00:44] <rayz> should we move to private?
[00:44] <bungholio> Yes, it is handy. but nonetheless... it happens. I have no answer for you. It happen to me (rarely but yes) in the Discover app. It burps and farts now and then.. and of course, always without fail, exactly when I need it to work.
[00:45] <bungholio> sure it's ok in chat in here.  Unless it gets too far off topic I assume.
[00:46] <rayz> yeah i think the proble is in the dicover apps, not the system or the apt
[00:46] <bungholio> Speaking of  Discover, let me check it out and use it for system updates today. I just received a notification that updates are available from discover.
[00:46] <rayz> lets wait the other answering the question
[00:46] <rayz> okey
[00:47] <bungholio> I think you are correct.
[00:47] <bungholio> Ok, 16 updates so far so good... and click.. discover me baby.
[00:47]  * bungholio clicks update all.
[00:48] <bungholio> All in all, I really like the Discover UI. Better than the Unity Software Center too.
[00:49] <rayz> yeah sure
[00:55] <bungholio> rayz, Ok, good timing with yoru Discover issue. Here again, like yesterday, Discover just hangs during an update (which it has actually finished. I verified with apt) and sas it is still updating and shows 3 apps left still updating but it is non-responsive, again.
[00:55] <bungholio> s/sas/says/
[00:56] <bungholio> And the 3 apps it shows still updating are already finished according to apt. So the updates went well, but the GUI doesn't reflect this.
[00:56] <bungholio> Let me get some screenshots and file a bug report.
[01:00] <rayz> okey
[01:14] <BionicMac> rayz, https://bionicmac.club/index.php/s/X9apymnnILFwT5x
[03:16] <[Relic]> any image viewer that can run a slideshow that is *NOT* full screen?
[06:58] <wiq> Hi! How can I make kubuntu fast? What default process/features I can stop to reduce resource usage?
[07:20] <diogenes_> wiq, disable from autostart: baloo and krunner
[07:28] <wiq> I don't see  baloo and krunner in autostart settings
[07:31] <ricktimmis[m]> Hi, give it plenty of swap, install on an ssd
[07:32] <wiq> I don't have an ssd, also can't buy rn
[07:37] <wiq> How can I remove akonadictl ?
[07:37] <wiq> akonadi*
[09:34] <benvantende[m]> Morning! Holy smoke! The last large batch of updates to 18.04 throws me into a black boot screen. That is very unusual. Never had an issue like this in the past years. Is anyone aware of radical changes. I am running a Radeon card.
[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[10:12] <hateball> benvantende[m]: 18.04 is still in #ubuntu+1
[10:12] <hateball> as it is not released stable
[10:16] <benvantende[m]> hateball: heyla! yeah i know. Still love to fool around with the beta's. Anyway...I am back up and running by opening a treminal and just entering 'startx'. All perfect, but makes me wonder why not on boot?
[10:21] <weillisterd> I factory reset windows which was dual boot with kubuntu and now my laptop skips the bios and grub and boots straight into kubuntu
[10:21] <weillisterd> I've read the factory reset might have enabled fast boot in windows which might cause problems
[10:21] <weillisterd> Is that so?
[10:22] <hateball> weillisterd: sounds like ##windows would know more about that
[10:23] <weillisterd> Is it a windows issue? Even my grub gets skipped
[10:23] <weillisterd> And boots straight into kubuntu
[10:23] <hateball> !fixgrub | weillisterd
[10:26] <weillisterd> ubottu but how do I even use a live USB? My bios screen where I press f12 gets skipped
[10:26] <weillisterd> Lol damn
[10:27] <weillisterd> hateball but how do I even use a live USB? My bios screen where I press f12 gets skipped
[14:56] <Buanka> Heu guys any idea why i cant open the software centre? its been happening for the last few days.. running ubuntu 16.04 LTS default environment . when i go to the terminal to open it i get this:   https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h3zmBwJm5F/
[14:57] <obert__> 18 will be out soon :)
[14:58] <obert__> Buanka: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2334641
[14:58] <obert__> first google result
[14:59] <Cobrax> how do i change konversation editor theme via file
[14:59] <Cobrax> i can't seem to find the schema file
[14:59] <acheronuk> also support for gnome would be in #ubuntu
[14:59] <Cobrax> err, by editor i mean the text box
[14:59] <Cobrax> where all the text is...
[15:00] <Cobrax> Also Baloo search isn't working in Dolphin, wut?
[15:08] <Buanka> obert__: Yes, that was my first try and no good. also ran apt get update    apt get upgrade
[15:15] <obert__> no idea then Buanka
[15:18] <acheronuk> Cobrax: how is the search not working?
[16:01] <crytobillionaire> I am having a bad day.
[16:31] <user|8040> Flickering on boot animation on  17.10
[16:31] <user|8040> Any solution?
[16:57] <user|97198> Hello, i have stupidy problem, is about the kde plasma problem :( if someone is here, i try explain if
[16:58] <user|97198> So someone is online here?
[17:01] <user|97198> fine :/ if someone don't want to help me..
[17:03] <diogenes_> !ask
[17:09] <user|97198> Right, so maybe someone know a solution for this problem. My problem is about the kde plasma won't try to load corrected, trying load with white and black stuffs.. example that  Right, so maybe someone know a solution for this problem. My problem is about the kde plasma won't try to load corrected, trying load with white and black stuffs.. example
[17:09] <user|97198> that  https://i.imgur.com/AwdyADi.png  , i tried to make something working, atleas konsole saved me XD, i tried to search on google about problem, maybe none not working, i tried to reinstall plasma-desktop. My log about plasmahell running on console https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SMKJ9zjvgg/ also something random is starting the taskbar with black stu
[17:09] <user|97198> ff..
[17:13] <user|97198> sorry for another stuff writed with duplicate
[17:16] <user|97198> also i know is another way but is reinstalling maybe break my os :(
[17:38] <user|97198> i detected the sddm don't start is just say failed to start
[17:46] <user|97198> any solution?
 what release is this?
[19:26] <marc__> hello
[19:27] <diogenes_> hello
[19:45] <ricktimmis[m]> Hi there
[19:48] <dragonpc> Hello i have problem with kde plasma starting, is starting wrong, with black and white stuffs , i tried to remove complety plasma-desktop but don't solve that ( i mean reinstalled )
[19:49] <diogenes_> dragonpc, what do you mean " with black and white stuffs"
[19:51] <dragonpc> diogenes_ like that https://i.imgur.com/d0I2Rx5.png
[19:51] <dragonpc> no desktop or something, but i see some features is working but in black/white mixture :/ also don't working the right click on desktop
[19:53] <diogenes_> dragonpc, what graphics ?
[19:54] <dragonpc> hd 630 (intel), is not relate with my problem im using right now chrome and (alt+t for searching apps is working pretty okay but invisible caracters.. when write konsole and enter, is working, icons is working when press enter)
[19:55] <diogenes_> looks like another mysterious plasma bug
[19:56] <dragonpc> but i see something the plasmashell errored for starting, here is paste https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dfjDVZxB83/
[19:56] <dragonpc> Is not bug, accidentally moved the unity (ubuntu desktop for some testing) and reboot moving into plasma - maybe that cause :( i tried everything :/ about 4 hours to fix
[20:04] <dragonpc> diogenes_ here short video to understand better, https://youtu.be/wRnAB4BzUIU and you have a idea ?
[20:08] <acheronuk> dragonpc: waht release is this?
[20:09] <dragonpc> Kubuntu 17.10.1
[20:14] <dragonpc> Fine next day i make a topic on forum. I go sleep right now.
[20:22] <valorie> hmmm, that is super-weird
[21:06] <ronnoc> today's daily AMD64 iso seems to have a grub error. Tested verified image on both USB and DVD :/
[21:10] <ronnoc> gonna try the Beta 2 one
[21:31] <ronnoc> nevermind...was just a ton of scary & harmless GRUB error warnings -.-
[22:18] <spaffers> Evening all. I have a quick question. I'm currently running the most recent nightly of 18.04. When the LTS version is officially released, will I have to do a fresh install or can I just upgrade? Thanks in advance.
[22:36] <mparillo> The general advice is that if you continue to sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y you should have essentially the same thing as a fresh installation.
[22:37] <mparillo> I think it is possible there are some minor details, like maybe a config file or two, or if some last minute new package is added to the ISO, but I would guess that most who install from a daily ISO do not bother with a re-install after the official release.
[22:39] <tumescent> Brilliant. Thank you very much for your answer. I've been using Kubuntu for years but have never really bothered using the betas. I'll give your advice a go when it's released and see how it works.


[07:20] <liumin> handsome_feng: Hi
[07:42] <handsome_feng> liumin: 再加下ubuntu-release, ubuntu-flavors吧
[07:46] <liumin> 好
[07:47] <liumin> handsome_feng：好


[05:06] <MarkMaglana> <mrs. doubtfire impression>Well hellooooo</mrs. doubtfire impression>
[07:14] <MarkMaglana> @jam would you mind if I started a discourse thread discussing the different options you mentioned here (https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/282#issuecomment-627930376). I'm not satisfied with the option I picked but would also like to discuss the other options further before trying them out.
[07:14] <jam> MarkMaglana, I'm officially off today, so I probably won't be active in the discussion just yet, but you don't need my approval to start a discussion thread. It sounds like a great idea.
[07:15] <MarkMaglana> excellent. enjoy your long weekend!
[08:42] <Chipaca> good morning all!
[08:43] <Chipaca> also, TGIF
[08:43]  * Chipaca tired
[09:57] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[09:57] <Chipaca> facubatista: 👋
[09:58] <facubatista> hola Chipaca
[09:58] <Chipaca> facubatista: if I may make a pairing suggestion, a small cup of #283 would go really well with that mate
[09:58] <mup_> PR #283: ops/main: handle dispatch being a shim  <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/283>
[10:04] <facubatista> Chipaca, yes, I have fresh eyes now
[10:05] <Chipaca> facubatista: would you believe me i forgot we were talking about this last
[10:05]  * Chipaca didn't sleep well
[10:05] <facubatista> Chipaca, you need a fresh brain (?)
[10:05] <Chipaca> i'll ask the boys
[10:05] <Chipaca> etc
[10:24] <facubatista> Chipaca, I think I'm starting to understand; in _JujuEvent.__init__ you will be calling `self._init_dispatch` when having a modern Juju (even if Juju executed the charm via hooks/install), else you will be calling `self._init_legacy` (that in contrast would mean "legacy juju")
[10:24] <facubatista> Chipaca, so you may set self.is_dispatch in True, even if it's not the "dispatch" script that was executed, but hooks/install
[10:27] <facubatista> Chipaca, right?
[10:29] <Chipaca> facubatista: the thing juju executed will have been the dispatch script
[10:30] <facubatista> Chipaca, in which case?
[10:31] <Chipaca> facubatista: when is_dispatch is true
[10:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, I think you're wrong, let's HO?
[10:33] <Chipaca> facubatista: in 5?
[10:34] <facubatista> Chipaca, deal
[10:38] <facubatista> Chipaca, https://meet.google.com/veq-yfqm-kdk, anytime you want
[10:49] <facubatista> new juju, not having a dispatch script:
[10:49] <facubatista> unit-bdv-2: 07:30:00 DEBUG unit.bdv/2.config-changed [10:49] <facubatista> unit-bdv-2: 07:30:00 DEBUG unit.bdv/2.config-changed [10:52] <facubatista> new juju, having a dispatch script:
[10:52] <facubatista> unit-bdv-2: 07:51:44 DEBUG unit.bdv/2.upgrade-charm [10:52] <facubatista> unit-bdv-2: 07:51:44 DEBUG unit.bdv/2.upgrade-charm [11:03] <facubatista> Chipaca, +1ed, please check comments
[11:04] <Chipaca> will do
[11:04] <Chipaca> thanks
[11:12] <Chipaca> facubatista: is_dispatch_aware ?
[11:13] <facubatista> Chipaca, as long it doesn't confuse with "we're the dispatch script", I'm fine
[12:26]  * facubatista brb
[12:33]  * Chipaca ⇝ lunch
[13:11]  * facubatista is back
[13:16]  * Chipaca is back too, somehow
[14:25] <Chipaca> facubatista: let me know what you think of 283 now
[14:26] <facubatista> Chipaca, ack
[14:26] <Chipaca> facubatista: pretty please :)
[14:58] <facubatista> Chipaca, +1ed
[15:00]  * MarkMaglana is EOWing. Y'all have a great weekend. Stay safe and healthy, you fine folks you!
[15:40] <mup_> PR operator#283 closed: ops/main: handle dispatch being a shim  <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/283>
[15:41]  * facubatista -> lunch
[16:21]  * Chipaca brb (to the shop and back)
[16:46]  * facubatista is back
[17:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, jam, pushed my "unittest refactoring", now it's "class based"
[18:12] <Chipaca> facubatista: it looks like tmpdir=self.tmpdir should be the default :-)
[18:14] <Chipaca> facubatista: but i do understand why not
[18:14] <Chipaca> facubatista: the docstring still has the same typos tho
[18:15] <facubatista> Chipaca, you don't always has a tmpdir
[18:16] <facubatista> Chipaca, we could go to a model of "always having a temp dir", but we would be creating a lot of temp dirs and removing them without need
[18:16] <facubatista> oh, docstring?
[18:16] <Chipaca> facubatista: but you could assume self has a tmpdir unless you pass in in_memory=True for eample
[18:16] <facubatista> ah, docstring
[18:17] <facubatista> Chipaca, so we would change 10 `tmpdir=self.tmpdir` for 30 `in_memory=True`?
[18:18] <Chipaca> facubatista: maybe?
[18:18] <Chipaca> facubatista: wdyt?
[18:18] <Chipaca> facubatista: wwgvrd?
[18:18] <Chipaca> :-p
[18:18] <facubatista> ENOPARSE
[18:19] <facubatista> Chipaca, so, you're not suggesting tmpdir as default just for simplicity... so what for?
[18:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: ww(?P<entity>\w+)d == what would $entity do
[18:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: I am
[18:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: that's what I'm suggesting, yes indeed
[18:20] <Chipaca> facubatista: but it's a suggestion, nothing more
[18:20] <facubatista> isn't it simpler to have 10 `tmpdir=self.tmpdir` than 30 `in_memory=True`?
[18:20] <facubatista> Chipaca, specially because the onely moments when you pass tmpdir=self.tmpdir is when you're testing what happens between different framework runs
[18:21] <facubatista> the rest of the test suite, that only needs a framework, they don't care where stuff is located
[18:22] <Chipaca> facubatista: i might be slow, because i didn't realise it was 10 vs 30
[18:22] <Chipaca> facubatista: given that, then the current is fine!
[18:22] <Chipaca> is it really that split? i thought it was the other way around
[18:22]  * Chipaca counts with his toes
[18:25] <Chipaca> facubatista: i count 18 create_framework(), vs 16 create_framework(tmpdir=self.tmpdir), which isn't as bad as you said but still favours the current approach
[18:25] <Chipaca> facubatista: sorry for the noise
[18:25] <facubatista> Chipaca, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MXrT3mx8zv/
[18:25] <Chipaca> funny how my impression from the pr was that it was almost all (tmpdir=self.tmpdir)
[18:26] <Chipaca> facubatista: i was doing
[18:26] <Chipaca> git diff master | grep '^+.*create_framework()'
[18:26] <facubatista> Chipaca, because those were the ones that "had a diff"
[18:26] <Chipaca> :) ok
[18:26] <Chipaca> i think i'm going to soft-EOW. pizza is on its way and i think it's well past beer o'clock.
[18:27] <facubatista> Chipaca, `+`?
[18:27] <Chipaca> facubatista: have a good rest-of-the-fridays, and a great weekend! see you monday
[18:27] <facubatista> I totally NOT understand that grep, but it can wait to Monday :p
[18:28] <facubatista> Chipaca, have nice pizza time and a better weekend :)
[18:45] <Chipaca> facubatista: it's grep, not egrep, so the + is literal
[18:45] <facubatista> ah, you were grepping the diff
[21:03]  * facubatista ends the day in success \o/
[21:03] <facubatista> see you all on Monday


[17:23] <tsimonq2> I'll run a smoke test with htop/jammy since that's a pretty major version bump.
[17:23] <tsimonq2> That being said, I'll migrate Mantic's copy right now.
[23:20] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (mantic-proposed) [0.6.2~23.10.1]
[23:26] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (lunar-proposed) [0.6.0~23.04.3]
[23:30] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: ^^^^^^
[23:31] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: accepted lubuntu-update-notifier [source] (jammy-proposed) [0.5.1~22.04.6]
[23:31] <arraybolt3> noted