[00:15] <pl44c> I suppose I could just use a kernel to kexec the kernel on the volume for now
[00:17] <Thr0r> Hi! I'm having issues with the wireless mouse when the laptop has been running for some hours, Then the mouse pointer starts "lagging" way back of my movements of mouse. I suspect it has something to do with some power saving settings. When I set everything - Suspend, blank after, put to sleep after, Switch off after, lock, etc. to "never" it works ok. Is this an issue with the Core/Kernel of ubuntu or is it an issue as pr. Flavours? I'm
[00:17] <Thr0r>  testing and want to know where to ask questions for now..
[00:17] <longus_catus> Are you using wifi on your laptop?
[00:19] <Thr0r> longus_catus:  If that question was for me - Yes
[00:19] <longus_catus> Well, the only time I've gotten wireless lag is when using bluetooth and 2.4GHz wifi.  Proprietary wirless protocols don't seem to be affected much
[00:21] <Thr0r> longus_catus:  ok - but "Is this an issue with the Core/Kernel of ubuntu or is it an issue as pr. Flavours?"
[00:22] <longus_catus> In that case it would be neither.  Uh, supposing it was a quirk with your wireless mouse, it would be a kernel issue to have a "quirk" enabled for your wireless mouse to disable power saving.  But, like, using powertop you can disable and enable the auto power saving features which might be useful to toggle and see if it affects your mouse
[00:24] <Thr0r> ok
[00:24] <longus_catus> It could still be thermal throttling or performance (both things that are more likely after a bit of uptime)
[00:25] <guest0111> 18.04 xubuntu blank screen after resume from suspend or lock screen. can someone help?
[00:34] <Thr0r>  longus_catus: Ok - I'll see if I can pinpoint it more and ask again. Just wondered what "layer" it was - thanks.
[00:38] <akem> guest0111, resume from suspend is maybe just not fully supported on your hardware, you can check logs, also try to switch to tty with ctrl+alt+fX etc
[00:39] <guest0111> akem : it used to resume fine same hardware.
[00:40] <akem> guest0111, Ha ok that's different then - it worked on 18.04 or previous release?
[00:41] <guest0111> yes fresh install but worked on previous install
[00:42] <guest0111> 18.04
[00:44] <akem> guest0111, i would try to suspend and try to resume from a clean new user, just to see if some user configuration could impact on this - i think it's not the case, but worth a try...also maybe you changed video drivers since then?
[00:44] <guest0111> akem: im using i915 driver. ok ill try new user
[00:46] <akem> guest0111, if it worked on some fresh install there must be a way to reset the APM/suspend-resume settings thought i don't really know how, couldn't help much with that.
[00:47] <akem> And i think many people on the chan are sleeping atm.
[00:47] <guest0111> akem: thanks for helping.
[00:47] <AppleBuggy> howdy, peeps!
[00:48] <AppleBuggy> anyone there?
[00:48] <akem> Hi.
[00:49] <AppleBuggy> anyone here use guayadeque?
[00:51] <OerHeks> not that many, i guess, it is not in our repos, just a ppa
[00:51] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/~anonbeat/+archive/ubuntu/guayadeque
[01:21] <gofio> there is one guayadeque in the canary islands http://www.grancanaria.com/turismo/es/cultura/espacios-arqueologicos/centro-de-interpretacion-del-barranco-de-guayadeque/
[01:48] <valerio_>  Hello everybody :) What info should be collected when performing social engineering? E.g. name, surname, email address, etc? Could you give me the most detailed list of info you can come up with? Include everything you think is valuable to collect about a person. I want to know it for educational purposes and to better defend myself. No malicious intent
[01:49] <xamithan> Maybe you should try ##security
[01:56] <abort_aba> Valerio, make a query to satan - extensive information.
[01:58] <OerHeks> anyway, not an ubuntu support issue
[01:59] <longus_catus> That's racist
[01:59] <longus_catus> Check your privilege
[02:00]  * longus_catus waits for the b& ...
[02:20] <chowder> I must finally be old. IRC seems dead
[02:20] <longus_catus> This channel used to be way too overactive not too long ago.  I wonder where the support is taking place.   I mean, there are 1252 people in here...
[02:53] <longus_catus> splitting traffic between...?
[02:53] <gbellinoz> IRC and slack.
[02:53] <gbellinoz> In other words, I have two places to go for a certain topic now.
[02:53] <longus_catus> slack?  is that stack overflow?
[02:54] <gbellinoz> Slack the chat client. It's been taking over IRC for a few years now.
[02:54] <gbellinoz> Are you messing with me?
[02:54] <longus_catus> No...I've never heard of slack
[02:55] <gbellinoz> It's huge. Not to make you feel like a rock under-dweller. But back me up here team?
[02:57] <longus_catus> are there art places?
[03:03] <leftyfb> !ot longus_catus
[03:03] <leftyfb> !ot | longus_catus
[03:05] <longus_catus> Uh thanks... I was asking gbellinoz about the topic of Slack
[04:16] <truexfan81> how do i find out who the maintainer is for libplacebo? i need to ask them a question
[04:17] <truexfan81> the package maintainer*
[04:28] <mallu> looking for another pair of eyes as I have been staring at it for a while. How come this grep command /bin/grep -P '^-w[\s]+/etc/apparmor.d/[\s]+-p[\s]+wa[\s]+-k[\s]+MAC-policy$' is not matching -w /etc/apparmor.d -p wa -k MAC-policy?
[04:33] <Bashing-om> truexfan81: Looks like upstream is debian: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libplacebo ,
[04:33] <mallu> anyone?
[04:42] <adelo> Is it just my slow connection, or does the Spotify in the snap repo suck?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> adelo: for snap problems, snap info snapname and see the 'contact' section to reach the maintainer
[04:53] <friendlyGoat> anyone know a bit about plymouth? for some reason i cant get my boot splash to show up on startup or shutdown. i just have the black screen and white text while booting but i'd prefer the nice Xubuntu logo i used to have.
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> friendlyGoat: did you change grub 'quiet splash' yourself?
[04:54] <friendlyGoat> with grub customizer but no matter what i do i cant fix splash being gone
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> friendlyGoat: by default quiet splash is enabled, did you do update-grub after edit?
[04:56] <friendlyGoat> im gonna try real quick.
[04:56] <monte9> On a new laptop the wireless card and driver doesn't work after a new install of operating system. I am rusty with Linux commands, so I need someone with patience to help.
[04:56] <friendlyGoat> i use a tool called Grub Customizer and save it, after saving it i do Install to MBR.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> monte9: ubuntu version kernel version and wifi chipset please?
[04:56] <friendlyGoat> for a pic of what i use to customize grub: http://tipsonubuntu.com/2018/03/11/install-grub-customizer-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> friendlyGoat: why did you use grub customizer for?
[04:58] <jack> monte: "sudo ifconfig" to check if your wireless got recognized at all
[04:58] <friendlyGoat> i used it for changing my background on grub and then i tried out disabling my splash screen and now i want to undo it @lotuspsychje
[04:58] <monte9> lotuspsychje: I am using Kali, but I don't think anyone will help me in the Kali IRC page so I came here as I used to use Ubuntu for a number of years.
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> monte9: we cant support kali here neither sorry
[05:00] <monte9> lotuspsychje: if i wanted to ditch the install of kali and install ubuntu now, is there an easy way?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> !download | monte9
[05:03] <monte9> lotuspsychje: I was hoping there would be a quick way thru terminal bash. But thank you for your time.
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> friendlyGoat: when you come here in ubuntu support, please mention this in your original question you installed grub customizer, this way you can avoid volunteers digging a problem
[05:03] <friendlyGoat> oh sorry about that
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> friendlyGoat: try uninstall grub customizer, and edit grub the way i suggested?
[05:04] <jack> monte9, sudo ifconfig.
[05:05] <monte9> jack: should i go ahead and bash that command?
[05:06] <jack> yup
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> jack: if the user doesnt use ubuntu, its not fair to keep helping here
[05:06] <jack> lotuspsychje, does it really matter
[05:07] <jack> i'm on trisquel ;)
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> jack: there's ##linux to support different distro's if you want?
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> you could both join there?
[05:07] <jack> i'm there already
[05:08] <monte9> I have been trying to get this laptop wireless card working after the install for a while and I finally have my own NBN connection at home so I can connect via wire to the router
[05:09] <monte9> jack: done
[05:10] <jack> so? study the output
[05:10] <jack> does anything resemble a wlan?
[05:11] <friendlyGoat> uninstalled grub customizer, gotta remember how to edit grub without it now
[05:11] <monte9> eth0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500         inet <IP_ADDRESS>  netmask <IP_ADDRESS>  broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>         inet6 fe80::82ce:62ff:fe3a:324c  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>         ether 80:ce:62:3a:32:4c  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)         RX packets 159803  bytes 190898003 (182.0 MiB)         RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0         TX packets 91660  bytes 11928765 (11.3 MiB)         TX
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> !kali | monte9
[05:12] <monte9> jack: thanks, I will go to the kali channel
[05:12] <jack> ok
[05:19] <friendlyGoat> edited sudo nano /etc/default/grub without grub customizer, cleaned it up a bit, and used sudo update-grub
[05:45] <monte9> jack: the Kali Channel is silent, but well populated. I have found the chipset: 0bda:b009 Realtek idVendor=0bda, idProduct=b009 802.11n Manufacturer: Realtek
[06:07] <dnivra> Hello everyone! I'm running Firefox 67.0.2 on ubuntu 18.04 and I find that now, audio does not work on Firefox. It works fine on desktop applications but I can hear no audio output from firefox. I tried refreshing, deleting all contents of ~/.mozilla and even apt purging + reinstalling firefox but no luck. Can someone help out here?
[06:07] <vas_tappendage> what the command for xrandir to resize your screen
[06:11] <blackflow> dnivra: and it worked with 67.0.1?
[06:13] <dnivra> Yes I'm certain it did. I think it probably did work with 67.0.2 too since according to my apt history logs, it was installed yesterday and I do remember watching some videos.
[06:13] <blackflow> dnivra: start playing somethign with audio, say a youtube vid, then go to Settings -> Sounds -> tab Applications   and see if the Firefox icon's audio slider is enabled and to the max (right).
[06:14] <blackflow> dnivra: the system Settings I mean
[06:16] <dnivra> blackflow: Ah there we go. Thanks for that tip! The sounds were at max but looks like firefox was picking the wrong hardware device for some reason. I have system default set to built in analog audio but somehow firefox was using a different device. I switched and now it works.
[06:17] <vas_tappendage> Hey you super smart linux weinies. Whats the command for xrandir to resize your screen..I am to lazy to go through all my cli  commands to find it.
[06:17] <dnivra> Strange how firefox doesn't use the system default though.
[06:17] <blackflow> dnivra: it should, who knows what happened there.
[06:19] <dnivra> Yeah. I've never really had this problem before so it is baffling. Even more baffling is that the other device is an HDMI device but nothing is connected to my HDMI output port.
[06:19] <blackflow> vas_tappendage: you need both --display and -s (--size) params, the  manpage has more info
[06:20] <blackflow> vas_tappendage: `man xrandr` for a stream of pure, informational enlightment! :)
[06:21] <blackflow> dnivra: nvidia?
[06:22] <blackflow> vas_tappendage: sorry, --output not --display
[06:22] <dnivra> blackflow: Nice guess :). Yeah I have an NVIDIA card but currently I'm using the onboard and not external graphics.
[06:23] <Ben64> vas_tappendage: not really the right way to ask for help
[06:24] <blackflow> dnivra: asking because there was an update few days ago and depending how recently you ran updates, it's possible that combination of    driver update + hdmi/device-renumeration + something something reset + oh look, new FF   == FF audio settings burped.
[06:28] <dnivra> blackflow: Ah okay. I run updates daily; sometimes even twice daily. The latest firefox was installed ~32 hours ago.
[06:46] <vincenzoml> Hi, I'm the author of an old tool / hack called pdf2oo which would turn a pdf into a libreoffice document without editing possibilities (but with overlay possibilities, which some of us found useful). Now libreoffice has pdf import but
[06:47] <vincenzoml> the question is: is there a way to convert a pdf to another pdf in ubuntu, keeping it vectorial, but discarding text information, so that libreoffice does not attempt (and fails) to make it editable?
[06:50] <cfhowlett> vincenzoml= ubuntu has several pdf tools built in.  from the command line, pdf + tab will get you the complete list.  ghostscript can also do some interesting things.  you might also see pdfshuffler though that will require installation
[06:56] <cfhowlett> if I understand your request correctly, I think ghostscript might be the key.  It removes the meta settings, e.g. printing disabled and creates a "clean", generic PDF
[06:57] <cfhowlett> command line: gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile='output.pdf' 'inputfile.pdf'
[06:58] <vincenzoml> cfhowlett: that command line produces a pdf with textual information still embedded but yes, restricting my search to gs is a good idea for the moment
[06:59] <darutoko> is there an app that can change window size? like Sizer for Windows
[07:12] <blackflow> darutoko: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5999/setting-the-window-dimensions-of-a-running-application
[07:15] <alkisg> Hi, is it possible to export /home with nfs3, yet specify that /home/administrator isn't exported? E.g. maybe with an additional line like this in /etc/exports? /home/administrator <IP_ADDRESS>(..)
[07:21] <vincenzoml> as we are here: since some days, I keep getting a very hot cpu just by using chrome and / or searching an application in gnome-shell (win key + type)
[07:21] <vincenzoml> This is since ubuntu 19.04
[07:21] <vincenzoml> May this have anything to do with e.g. updated video card drivers? did any of you hear about this?
[07:22] <darutoko> blackflow, thank you!
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> vincenzoml: you might wanna tail syslog & keep an htop running while you use chrome
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> vincenzoml: also keep in mind you are on a non-lts version of ubuntu, and chromium is the ubuntu alternative of chrome
[07:27] <cfhowlett_1> "ubuntu alternative"?? I always thought it was a linux alternative.  is it specific to ubuntu lotuspsychje ?
[07:28] <vincenzoml> lotuspsychje: sure, I'll first of all install chromium
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett_1: chrome is from google, chromium the ubuntu inspired one right?
[07:29] <cfhowlett_1> gotta research this one.  I thought chromium was the unbranded version offered and maintained by google
[07:29] <vincenzoml> lotuspsychje: I'm tailing everything I can but the fact is, nothing odd appears, cpu usage is low. Thinking of it I will try iotop
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett_1: oh you mean other distro's chromium?
[07:29] <cfhowlett_1> yes
[07:29] <vincenzoml> chromium-browser is the FOSS part of chrome compiled for linux and distributed by distributions
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> right
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> i just wanted to point out, chrome we dont really support and for ubuntu we advice chromium :p
[07:31] <vincenzoml> I've wasted like 2 precious hours of my saturday morning with family still sleeping, but did not find a 2019-ish way to remove the **** textual information from a pdf...
[07:31] <vincenzoml> even pdf2ps retains text.
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> vincenzoml: inkscape seems to be able to edit things on pdf's, worth a try?
[07:32] <vincenzoml> lotuspsychje: yes I know, I don't suspect chrome on its own, but it costs nothing to try chromium first
[07:32] <vincenzoml> lotuspsychje: I need to NOT edit things :) I want a flat pdf like in the old days when text selection in pdfs was not a thing.
[07:33] <vincenzoml> or even better, I want an option in libreoffice to import text as vector graphics, not text, which is broken
[07:33] <vincenzoml> my final goal is to update my pdf2oo which has gotten rotten
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> vincenzoml: i like mupdf, lightweight, but not sure its what you need
[07:41] <blackflow> vincenzoml: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28797418/replace-all-font-glyphs-in-a-pdf-by-converting-them-to-outline-shapes
[07:44] <vincenzoml> blackflow: aaah finally! Thanks. I was using the first solution in the first answer (gs -sDEVICE=pswrite, as a first step) and that apparently is no longer supported by gs (is ps dead?)
[07:44] <blackflow> ps can't be dead, it's the defacto format the printers use
[07:44] <vincenzoml> but the second solution works, the "new" option is "-dNoOutputFonts" directly in pdf conversion. Thanks a lot, I googled for 2 hours and was unable to.
[07:45] <blackflow> you can literally cat a ps file to a /dev/<printer device>   and it'd print it out
[07:45] <vincenzoml> blackflow: that's the same thought I had, but where did "DEVICE=pswrite" go?
[07:45] <blackflow> vincenzoml: yeah I looked up using "convert to curves" terminology we used in pre-press industry
[07:45] <vincenzoml> I mean, once upon a time gs did NOT support pdf at all...
[07:45] <vincenzoml> blackflow: "convert to curves", great info
[07:46] <vincenzoml> ok, so I can update pdf2oo and make it greater and better.
[07:48] <vincenzoml> hummm no, it's not so easy since libreoffice's pdf import is broken also in other places besides text, e.g., transparency and color fill of those curves
[07:48] <cfhowlett_1> vincenzoml= I think I saw that on a hat.  "M P G B"
[07:51] <cfhowlett_1> and I think pswrite would be the output?
[07:51] <cfhowlett_1> ps2write
[07:52] <vincenzoml> cfhowlett_1: I don't understand what you mean with your first line :) but for the second one, pswrite just doesn't exist anymore, but I guess there's another filter replacing it maybe for newer formats, who knows.
[07:53] <cfhowlett_1> ah.  got it.  you know, it might be worth querying the ghostwriter forums/channels directly for their expertise.
[08:18] <fishcooker> why this sanduhr package removed on bionic?
[08:27] <tomreyn> fishcooker: probably because it was removed from debian
[08:30] <tomreyn> fishcooker: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=887859
[08:38] <trafaret1> hi there
[08:39] <trafaret1> can anybody help me. want to do double boot on my computer. I have windows 10 and under that sytem I'm tryign to do usb ubuntu installer
[08:40] <cfhowlett> !dualboot | trafaret1 here's the general guide
[08:40] <trafaret1> I use rufus application for that. When I'm trying to boot that usb then I get message  will not mount read/write
[08:40] <cfhowlett> try a different USB?
[08:41] <trafaret1> also trying to install under VB all works well
[08:41] <trafaret1> don't know what is the problem
[08:45] <trafaret1> does it possible to install ubuntu right into windows?
[08:46] <cfhowlett> do you mean the full ubuntu desktop?
[08:46] <trafaret1> yes
[08:47] <cfhowlett> since VB works, why not do that?
[08:47] <trafaret1> does fat32 will work in x64 systms?
[08:54] <qswz> Can I remove python 2 or 3? I dislike python as a language, don't want to see it in the updates
[08:55] <cfhowlett> test it for yourself: apt purge -s python*                        will SIMULATE removal.  NO SUDO
[08:55] <ayekat> qswz: if there are packages that depend on python, there is not much you can do
[09:00] <k_sze> Does Livepatch cover HWE kernels?
[09:01] <k_sze> looks like no
[09:03] <ayekat> qswz: in the end, whether you like python as a language or not shouldn't have any influence on whether you have python installed
[09:03] <ayekat> qswz: that's a bit like saying: "I don't like C as a language, so I want to get rid of the C standard library on my system"
[09:05] <qswz> ayekat: hehe ok
[09:07] <qswz> yea removing python affects lots of packages I have (firefox, chrome, krita, ..)
[09:28] <snake-venom> hi there i was adding crons in my ubuntu , i want to know  " wget -O - -q -t 0 " why  "0" in last and somewhere existing cron have "1" in last..
[09:40] <qswz> wget --help | grep -t
[09:41] <qswz> wget --help | grep '\-t'
[09:46] <EriC^> man wget
[09:47] <EriC^> snake-venom: the manual says -t is for retries, 0 is infinite
[10:11] <ivoadf> Hi there. I am running into a weird issue. I am running the Tibia game (you can find it on tibia.com) and when I try to drag an item in the game with my touchpad all is well but when I do the exact same action with my external mouse (Logitech G402) the fps in the game drop to 1 or 2 and I even get disconnected from the game if I keep dragging the item on screen for too long. I think this might be an issue with the drivers
[10:11] <ivoadf> or configuration because I can not replicate the issue with the touchpad. Do you have any idea of how to debug this? or what the issue might be? Thanks for the help. Cheers.
[10:23] <cfhowlett> ivoadf= what ubuntu version?
[10:25] <ivoadf> 18.10 with i3 window manager
[10:26] <cfhowlett> I'd suggest making sure you're fully updated/upgraded.  open a terminal:                 sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[10:35] <ivoadf> I did have some upgrades but the issue remains.
[10:36] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[10:43] <nils_> I have somewhat of a weird issue, when I'm root the output from apt is in German even though I haven't set the language to German anywhere.
[10:45] <ikanobori> Your system has decided for you, as root, what does `locale` output?
[10:45] <nils_> ikanobori, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TXhDDYKwmk/
[10:46] <nils_> I haven't even generated locales for German, and it seems to only affect apt so far.
[10:47] <ikanobori> LANGUAGE=en_US:en_GB:de
[10:47] <ikanobori> For some reason you seem to have a de_* locale.
[10:47] <nils_> I think that's likely inherited from Plasma / KDE, I have set German as a secondary language there.
[10:48] <ikanobori> I don't know what exactly the standard for secondary languages is and if that environment variable is correct.
[10:48] <ikanobori> But it seems it makes apt go all German on you.
[10:48] <nils_> yeah normally it should pick the leftmost language first?
[10:48] <ikanobori> I am unsure, I've never seen that before.
[10:48] <ikanobori> So I don't know what the 'normal' is here.
[10:50] <nils_> https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/The-LANGUAGE-variable.html#The-LANGUAGE-variable states the priorities are left to right.
[10:53] <ikanobori> nils_: The last paragraph there seems interesting.
[10:54] <nils_> indeed, this also seems to only hit when I don't set LANG/LC_ALL, I'll give that a test.
[10:56] <ayekat> I assume it just doesn't know about en_US and en_GB (because maybe the locales haven't been generated), so software using gettext falls back to german - `locale -a` might help understand it a bit better
[10:57] <nils_> I haven't generated the de_* locales though (at least not on the CLI). The output gets even more bizarre when I start adding other languages. For example when I have LANGUAGE="en:pt_BR:de" it mixes German (for string not translated in portugese) and Portugese
[10:57] <ayekat> nils_: please paste the output of `locale -a`
[10:57] <candidat> hello :)
[10:58] <candidat> how do you see on ubuntu the current servers that are running ?
[10:59] <nils_> ayekat, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6Tjnsr8HTf/ (first one is the output from locale -a, the rest shows the bizarre behavior)
[10:59] <ayekat> candidat: if you want to list running services, `systemctl list-units --state=running`
[11:00] <ayekat> nils_: wow
[11:01] <ayekat> "Meist verwendete Befehle:   update - Obtém novas listas de pacotes"  O_o
[11:01] <nils_> I'm pretty sure I never generated any portugese or spanish locales
[11:05] <ayekat> I imagine that apt may have their own localisation files, so even without certain locales existing system-wide, it can localise most of the messages
[11:06] <ayekat> and I guess pt_BR is just missing a lot (because I assume it is meant to fall back to pt_PT, but you instead fall back to german), so that would explain that weird mix
[11:06] <ayekat> the only thing that's weird is just why `en` seems to be entirely ignored
[11:07] <nils_> ayekat, it may be intentional, so people get the localized version first?
[11:07] <ayekat> nils_: yes, so you can do things like de_CH:de_DE:de for swiss people, for instance (and de_CH only needs to define the swiss-specific grammar, and use the german orthography as a fallback)
[11:08] <cixx> i found the guilty
[11:08] <ayekat> (actually, I think de_CH:de should be sufficient there, because `de` is simply shorthand for `de_DE`)
[11:08] <candidat> thanks ayekat
[11:08] <cixx> i am using ubuntu as guest on virtualbox and it doesn't allow me to copy&paste from guest to host
[11:08] <nils_> yeah that's how it's supposed to work (similar to the Accept-Language: header for HTTP)
[11:08] <cixx> but in fact, it doesn't allow me to copy url from chrome address bar to host operating system
[11:08] <ayekat> nils_: so the only mystery there is why english is entirely ignored ^^
[11:09] <cixx> so, it seems like the reason is multiple clipboard registers
[11:09] <nils_> ayekat, yeah that is bizarre.
[11:09] <cixx> i really started to hate this multiple clipboard feature
[11:09] <cixx> is there a way to have only one clipboard for all console, gui apps, mouse selections etc.. for all of them?
[11:10] <cixx> is it impossible to memorize which application use which clipboard and manage this situation
[11:10] <cixx> it is*
[11:10] <ayekat> cixx: it is custom to use the clipboard for Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V like operations, and the primary selection for mouse-select/middle-click
[11:11] <ayekat> cixx: if Ctrl-C in chromium doesn't put the content in the clipboard, but in the primary selection, that's just weird
[11:11] <cixx> yes it doesnt
[11:12] <ayekat> I just tested, and chromium behaves as expected, but I'm not on Ubuntu right now, so I can't confirm that...
[11:12] <cixx> buy also when i use Ctrl+u on console to cut and copy the line, it doesn't put the content in the clipboard either
[11:12] <ayekat> cixx: you mean in a terminal emulator (like gnome-terminal)?
[11:13] <cixx> ok but there must be a center to manage all
[11:13] <cixx> ayekat: yes
[11:13] <ayekat> Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V in a terminal usually doesn't do any copy/pasting, because those keys are already mapped to something else
[11:13] <ayekat> typically it's Ctrl-Shift-C instead
[11:13] <cixx> ayekat: i use Ctrl + u
[11:14] <cixx> it copy the content but for just inside ubuntu
[11:14] <ayekat> that also has some meaning in many CLI applications, so it's not very wise IMHO - but I guess if you've mapped it in the terminal's settings, it should work
[11:14] <ayekat> cixx: so Ctrl-U ends up in the primary selection instead?
[11:14] <cixx> i don't like custom settings really if i don't have to
[11:15] <cixx> hmm
[11:15] <cixx> it seeems like it is working only on terminal
[11:17] <ayekat> (to correct what I wrote above: Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V are not mapped to something else by the terminal, but just aren't mapped to anything, because they typically are used by the CLI application running inside)
[11:18] <ayekat> cixx: I would personally just try to get used to Ctrl-Shift-C/Ctrl-Shift-V in gnome-terminal - it's pretty standard behaviour, after all
[11:19] <cixx> https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=91583
[11:20] <cixx> hm
[11:21] <ayekat> ah well, that seems unfortunate -- can you reproduce it in chromium?
[11:21] <cixx> exactly.. it happens everytime. it doesn't work
[11:22] <cixx> i call it as chrome, why do you call it as chromium?  :)
[11:23] <ayekat> because they are two different pieces of software - chrome is the browser distributed by google, and chromium is the open-source version on which chrome is based on
[11:24] <cixx> hmm
[11:24] <ayekat> I'm not 100% sure how exactly those projects are related and how much development efforts of google flow back into chromium, but essentially: chromium=open source, chrome=proprietary
[11:24] <ayekat> I mean... chromium=free (because open source does not strictly exclude proprietary, but that's getting offtopic ^^)
[11:26] <cixx> :)
[11:26] <ayekat> cixx: but anyway, I'm afraid I can't help there, because it seems a deliberate design decision by chrome, and I don't have sufficient knowledge how the X clipboard and primary selections are implemented :-|
[11:26] <cixx> thank you
[11:26] <cixx> there is a project like this but it seems old. http://www.nongnu.org/autocutsel/
[11:33] <cixx> after tried virtualbox drag and drop feature to ubuntu desktop, all files on desktop are gone. ubuntu doesn't show files which are in Desktop folder anymore
[11:34] <cixx> i don't like virtualbox for years but after chrome thing, i can't blame it :|
[11:35] <candidat> i use virtual box
[11:35] <candidat> but i think vmware is better
[11:35] <cixx> candidat: vmware is much much more better but not free :(
[11:35] <cixx> and not cheap
[11:35] <candidat> you can have it cracked
[11:35] <cixx> i gave up using cracks
[11:37] <ayekat> cixx: the desktop directory is no longer shown on the desktop because that's how GNOME works
[11:37] <ayekat> (for whatever obscure reason)
[11:37] <cixx> ayekat: files were on desktop before virtualbox drag drop test
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> try gnome boxes, its fast and easy
[11:39] <cixx> i am checking. i heard it first me
[11:41] <tomreyn> there's also virt-manager which interfaces with (local or remote) libvirt, which can can use kv-qemu and other HVs and also containers
[11:42] <tomreyn> *kvm-qemu
[11:42] <tomreyn> that's a bit more work to set up, though, if you're used to GUIs.
[11:44] <ayekat> well, gnome-boxes and virt-manager are both frontends to libvirt
[11:46] <cixx> lotuspsychje: so i need linux host for virtualbox? i use windows 10 as host
[11:47] <tomreyn> virtualbox withs with either windows or linux hosts. but we only support ubuntu here. try #vbox
[11:47] <tomreyn> * works with
[11:50] <cixx> they are dead
[11:50] <ayekat> 3 minutes without a reply doesn't mean "dead"
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> cixx: other timezones might help
[11:50] <cixx> it is not 3 mins. it is 6 hours
[11:51] <cixx> no single msg on channel
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> cixx: i hope you understand, we have a lot of ubuntu users here, we cant mix other Os support
[11:51] <cixx> lotuspsychje: i dont insist about it :) i was just asking if it possible to use gnome boxes on windows 10 somehow
[11:52] <cixx> in fact, it is linux app as i got
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> cixx: you could make your life easy, install ubuntu physical and ask lifetime support here :p
[11:52] <cixx> lotuspsychje: it is corporate machine and they will not allow that :)
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:55] <candidat> i have to say linux changed my life
[11:55] <candidat> im so gratefull
[11:55] <candidat> no crash no virus
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | candidat
[11:56] <candidat> thanks lotuspsychje i m gratefull
[11:59] <cixx> can i restart gnome completely without logout user?
[12:00] <ayekat> cixx: depends how you've started gnome
[12:00] <ioria> cixx, you mean restart gnome-shell ?
[12:00] <cixx> in fact, if gnome-shell is equal to gnome, yes
[12:01] <ioria> cixx, Alt+F2 , r, enter
[12:01] <cixx> ayekat: it starts automatically, i login via gnome gui
[12:01] <Xard> it's quite shame that the gtk3 doesn't honor a custom font weight set from gnome-tweak even though gtk2 applications do :(
[12:03] <ayekat> ah, I didn't know about the GNOME self-restart mechanism ^^
[12:03] <cixx> ioria: alt+f2,r -> what does this run at background?
[12:03] <Xard> as a workaround I created custom font family variant from the font I use using font forge and saved it as a standalone font, which forces the gtk3 to use it as it has no regular weight to fall back to
[12:04] <cixx> hmm
[12:04] <ioria> cixx, press Alt+F2; trype 'r' and then Enter
[12:04] <cixx> it is gnome shortcut? not linux
[12:04] <cixx> so it is same for all gnome's on all dists?
[12:04] <ioria> nope
[12:07] <ayekat> it seems to be distro-agnostic, though (it's apparently the same as sending SIGHUP to the gnome-shell process)
[12:09] <cixx> i tried kilall -1 gnome-shell. seems same thing but different taste
[12:30] <Sorin84> I need a video player that can download subs for movies like bsplayer. There is any?
[12:37] <RonaldsMazitis> how do I make Ubuntu start openbox session
[12:37] <RonaldsMazitis> what should I write with startx
[12:37] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[12:38] <RonaldsMazitis> I am having difficulties as my WINE game does not allow me to alt-tab, so as solution I thought is starting different tty windows
[12:38] <RonaldsMazitis> but starting window manager starts gnome which I don't like\
[12:38] <RonaldsMazitis> my pc kinda lags on gnome
[12:39] <blackflow> RonaldsMazitis: startx is not really supported any more. Installing openbox will add an Openbox session to choose from on login.
[12:39] <cixx> ohh there is wine already
[12:40] <RonaldsMazitis> I am on 18.04
[12:41] <RonaldsMazitis> startx kinda is how it starts windows manager
[12:41] <RonaldsMazitis> what should I write
[12:41] <blackflow> RonaldsMazitis: startx is no longer used. if you're using startx, that's because you're manually running it, and that's not really supported here.
[12:42] <blackflow> for a regular ubuntu installation, just installing openbox will add an openbox session to choose from, on login (click the cog icon to select it)
[12:42] <RonaldsMazitis> but when I start tty
[12:42] <RonaldsMazitis> I don't get window manager
[12:43] <blackflow> "start tty"?
[12:43] <RonaldsMazitis> I know how to start openbox from login screen
[12:43] <RonaldsMazitis> ALT-CRTL-F3
[12:43] <RonaldsMazitis> tty
[12:43] <blackflow> oh you mean _Change_ tty, not _start_ it
[12:44] <blackflow> yeah so, no, you can't run parallel sessions like that in different TTYs like that (would require running separate instances of xorg, but that's another issue)
[12:44] <blackflow> on the login screen, choose openbox, and that's it. you can switch to and from openbox/gnome from the login screen.
[12:44] <RonaldsMazitis> okay so it's limited
[12:45] <RonaldsMazitis> but the main problem is
[12:45] <RonaldsMazitis> when I start my wine program in fullscreen
[12:45] <RonaldsMazitis> I can't alt-tab out of it
[12:45] <blackflow> which wine program?
[12:45] <RonaldsMazitis> thug pro game
[12:46] <blackflow> I'd say something is wrong with alt-tab in that game then. I can normally alt-tab in wine games like doom3, doom and warhammer 4k -- though nowadays I don't use wine any more, the Linux Steam does it automatically in the background.
[12:47] <blackflow> (in gnome, that is)
[12:48] <blackflow> but nevertheless, you're talking about two separate things here. one is using openbox and the other is alt-tab in a wine game.
[12:49] <RonaldsMazitis> I just thought
[12:49] <RonaldsMazitis> tty is solution
[12:49] <RonaldsMazitis> but
[12:49] <blackflow> !xy
[12:49] <RonaldsMazitis> obviously
[12:50] <blackflow> using another tty or even starting xorg from startx most certainly has nothing to do with the alt-tab problem.
[12:51] <blackflow> if you think your game would work better when run under openbox, that's fine, you can log into openbox session from the login screen, but forget fiddling with TTYs and startx. That's a red herring.
[13:22] <nonix4> How do I add (jetdirect) printer in 18.04? The UI prompts for driver but there is no way to focus anything in the list.
[13:26] <nonix4> ... or does that depend on networkmanager actually working, which sounds like science fiction for systems upgraded from prior ubuntu releases?
[13:31] <RonaldsMazitis> blackflow: solution to my problem was creating key in openbox to show desktop
[13:31] <RonaldsMazitis> with super-d
[13:37] <speeder39_> Good morning
[13:37] <speeder39_> Anyone around
[13:37] <ryuo> Nope. We're all hiding.
[13:38] <RonaldsMazitis> fun fact, my i5 processor does video rendering 20 times slower that my galaxy s7 phone
[13:38] <RonaldsMazitis> should I blame kdenlive or ubuntu
[13:38] <speeder39_> @RonaldsMazitis: what year is computer from
[13:38] <RonaldsMazitis> I don't even remmeber
[13:39] <speeder39_> 5 years older or more?
[13:39] <RonaldsMazitis> might be 2013
[13:40] <speeder39_> Can you upgrade ram or processor in computer?
[13:41] <RonaldsMazitis> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2410M CPU @ 2.30GHz
[13:41] <speeder39_> Are you in the usa?
[13:41] <RonaldsMazitis> no Latvia
[13:41] <RonaldsMazitis> baltic states
[13:41] <speeder39_> Or ok
[13:42] <speeder39_> Just curious
[13:42] <speeder39_> I am in usa
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> I think all the PC's they are selling here are garbage anyway
[13:42] <raininja> RonaldsMazitis: how much RAM are you running?
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> so I am sticking to
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> 4gb
[13:42] <raininja> those chips need RAM
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> oh ok
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> I should upgrade RAM for sure
[13:43] <raininja> and IIRC matched as closely as possible for each channel
[13:43] <RonaldsMazitis> also, gnome is too slow for this pc
[13:45] <RonaldsMazitis> once they will make gnome that flyes on this one, I would not go use that for anything
[13:45] <RonaldsMazitis> I like progression not regression
[14:09] <candidat> :)
[14:09] <candidat> :-)
[14:09] <candidat> is ubuntu totally secure ?
[14:10] <cfhowlett> no OS is totally secure
[14:10] <candidat> sad
[14:10] <candidat> what do you think about gentoo ?
[14:12] <cfhowlett> I think it's completely offtopic in the UBUNTU support channel.
[14:12] <cfhowlett> perhaps you mean to have this discussion in #linux?
[14:12] <candidat> yes true
[14:12] <candidat> sorry about that
[14:12] <jack> ##linux
[14:13] <candidat> done !
[14:13] <candidat> thanks
[14:15] <__raven__> hi
[14:15] <__raven__> missing volume key operation on xubuntu 19.04. i already tried adjusting plugin-settings, keyboard shortcut settings with amixer and pactl but no success yet. pactl command in terminal eg works and volume change is notified but keyboard shortcut does not. any problem regarding "keyboard focus" or such things?
[14:23] <jeffree> sup, dawgs
[14:25] <jeffree> update-manager used to have categories like 'security' and 'other', as I remember, did this go away?
[14:47] <Sven_vB> suppose I have a misbehaving 3rd party program whose source is too terrible to fix. it opens too many TCP (HTTPS) connections too quickly, and is too brittle to retry if they fail, so I can't just make my firewall drop the excessive connection attempts. can I instead delay them until e other connections are
[14:47] <Sven_vB> *enough other connections have finished?
[14:50] <Sven_vB> __raven__, put "xmessage " in front of your volume adjust command to produce a dialog box instead. this way you can check whether the problem is about the hotkey trigger or the command
[14:51] <Sven_vB> __raven__, beware that in some versions of xfce, the hotkey manager seems to have a bug where editing a shortcut removes it instead.
[14:53] <Sven_vB> __raven__, also what do you mean with "is notified"? the sound effect? or whether the volume slider in pavucontrol moves?
[14:54] <jluc> hello
[14:54] <jluc> i want to use parlatype keyboard shortcuts while writing with openoffice
[14:55] <jluc>  how can i define global keyboard shortcuts that dont require to select parlatype first
[14:55] <jluc> on LUBUNTU
[15:12] <jeffree> I suspect I'm not seeing categories because I set security update to auto-install
[15:47] <Sven_vB> jluc, no idea about parlatype, but you could set up global shortcuts in the keyboard settings, and have them launch: xdotool type 'your text here'
[15:47] <Sven_vB> you might need to install xdotool first
[15:48] <jluc> i'm trying with obkey now
[15:48] <jluc> do you suggest a specific tool ?
[15:48] <jluc> so as to create the shortcut and have it work
[15:48] <Sven_vB> oh I see now I totally confused programs.
[15:49] <Sven_vB> nah, somehow I thought parlatype was a keyboard macros program
[15:50] <Sven_vB> however, xdotool might be able to send keystrokes to a specific window even if it doesn't have input focus. I'll check.
[15:50] <jeffree> pretty sure you can specify window
[15:50] <jeffree> xdotool is awesome
[15:51] <Sven_vB> jeffree, yeah but not sure whether the window is automatically raised then
[15:51] <jeffree> that I don't know
[15:51] <Sven_vB> jluc, what are some of the keystrokes you'd want to send?
[15:53] <jluc> i wish to stop and start the music player
[15:54] <jluc> afaik it's a standard action
[15:54] <Sven_vB> yeah, works. I made my IRC client cut its input buffer while input focus stayed on my terminal, by issueing this command: xdotool search --name 'Sven_vB @ FreeNode' key Ctrl+a key Ctrl+x
[15:54] <Sven_vB> if you want to use the media keys you'll have to find their names from xkbmap
[15:55] <Sven_vB> probably media keys are what you mean with the standard action
[15:55] <jeffree> using xdotool seems like a weird solution to me for this
[15:55] <Sven_vB> yeah, ideally the media player could itself register a global shortcut
[15:56] <jeffree> jluc: what exactly do you want? a single shortcut that will start or stop the media player?
[15:57] <Sven_vB> another hack: in case you have a spare input device, you could map it to a 2nd virtual keyboard and use that to control the media player. Ubuntu can handle multiple simultaneous input focii, one per virtual input device (xinput).
[15:58] <jluc> sorry i need a GUI
[15:58] <jluc> as in ubuntu
[15:59] <jluc> me discovering all these tools will require whole day and my sister will be gone when i'm ready with these system things
[16:00] <Sven_vB> I guess you transcribe audio speech into a text document? so you'll probably want play/pause, jump back short, jump back far, jump forward short, jump forward far
[16:02] <jluc> yes
[16:02] <Sven_vB> obkey seems to be the Openbox Key Editor. unfortunately their repo doesn't have a readme
[16:03] <Sven_vB> and is probably dead because it still links to google code
[16:04] <Sven_vB> oh this repo seems to be more recent. https://github.com/stevenhoneyman/obkey
[16:04] <jluc> i found http://www.webupd8.org/2016/07/how-to-create-and-edit-keyboard.html
[16:05] <Sven_vB> well since you use Xubuntu, I assume you use xfce with it? then I'd use xfce4-keyboard-settings
[16:05] <jluc> nope : lubuntu bionic
[16:05] <Sven_vB> ah ok
[16:06] <Sven_vB> oh right xubuntu was __raven__'s request
[16:06] <Sven_vB> yeah then obkey seems to be the correct program
[16:07] <jluc> ok
[16:10] <Sven_vB> does it work already? becaue I just remembered qmmp has very easy command line navigation commands, which in turn you could map to keys
[16:11] <jluc> no
[16:12] <jluc> i have to stop trying because i'm supposed to be having nice afternoon with my daughter (not sister taht was an error) and not being geek
[16:12] <jluc> thanks for helping though
[16:12] <Sven_vB> hehe, have fun then
[16:12] <Sven_vB> next time try qmmp ;)
[16:12] <jluc> ok i take note
[16:34] <notecloud> Hello
[16:34] <notecloud> I cannot enable livepatch
[16:34] <notecloud> it says
[16:35] <notecloud> 2019/06/15 16:34:16 error executing enable: cannot enable machine: cannot send request: Post https://livepatch.canonical.com/api/machine-tokens: dial tcp: lookup livepatch.canonical.com on [::1]:53: read udp [::1]:34365->[::1]:53: read: connection refused
[16:35] <notecloud> Any ideas?
[17:04] <rezapn> Alo
[17:22] <Cracki> 18.04 lts, wanting to build kernel with rt patch. first problem: even with "deb-src" lines active in sources.list and apt update, $ apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[17:22] <Cracki>  gives me Picking 'linux-signed' as source package instead of 'linux-image-4.15.0-51-generic'
[17:22] <Cracki> , and that gives me no kernel source at all
[17:22] <Cracki> what am I doing wrong?
[17:23] <Cracki> I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel but there are these obvious speedbumps
[17:35] <ayekat> Cracki: that's because multiple packages can be generated from the same source - linux-signed is the correct source
[17:35] <Cracki> it contains a few directories but weighs nothing
[17:36] <Cracki> what am i supposed to do with that
[17:39] <Cracki> should a source tarball from kernel.org, without ubuntu-anything, work as well?
[17:39] <ayekat> ah true, it appears there's just a script in there to somehow download the real thing...
[17:39] <ayekat> possible that the build tools will use that to fetch the sources once you start building it, though
[17:39] <Cracki> hm, that could work. I'm already using the second method, cloning a git repo
[17:39] <Cracki> in any case, there's no rt patch for 4.15 (which 18.04 lts uses)
[17:39] <ayekat> but the debian package build system is a bit too complex for me to really tell how it's supposed to work...
[17:39] <Cracki> so I have to improvise and maybe try 4.16
[17:42] <Cracki> hm, picking the newly compiled kernel, on boot after "loading ramdisk" it's just sitting there blinking the cursor and printing nothing
[17:48] <__raven__> Sven_vB: xmessage is not triggered too but at config the key was regognized
[17:49] <acresearch> people, i am trying to install ubuntu on a macbook pro 2015    but i keep getting error 5: input/output error    and keeps saying i should clean my DVD even though i am installing from a USB, can someone help me?
[18:06] <acresearch> i tried mint and i am getting the same issue,     is there another distro that i can try? maybe i cannot install debian based distros
[18:07] <xamithan> Not if you keep making bad USBs or using bad ISOs
[18:07] <xamithan> That's what that error usually means
[18:08] <acresearch> xamithan: sudo dd bs=4M if=FILENAME.iso of=/dev/sdb status=progress oflag=sync
[18:08] <acresearch> this is the command i am using
[18:12] <xamithan> Ah looks like there is a bunch of extra stuff you need to do for macbooks,  maybe a good guide will help
[18:14] <acresearch> xamithan: this is strange, because the same installer on the same USB was working on the same laptop just last week. nothing has changed
[18:23] <mTeK> If you saw this message "systemd-networkd[1299]: enp2s0: Gained carrier" were would you look this interface is part of a bond and after working for a week I've started to see the nics drop out.
[18:23] <mTeK> I'm wondering if its a the DAC's.
[18:38] <styledash> yeah... trying to get linux running on a mac is always a pain
[18:39] <lotuspsychje> styledash: i had good experiences with 18.04 on several macs, whats your issue?
[18:40] <styledash> haven't tried in like 4 years... always issues with their EFI and various drivers... gave up and got a thinkpad lol
[18:41] <tonyt> macs, may as well stick with macos on the thing
[18:42] <styledash> ^
[18:57] <mattfly> lol this is kinda ridiculous
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: can we help you?
[18:57] <mattfly> im trying to file a bug of ubuntu, and launchpad has a bug too and dont let me
[18:57] <mattfly> (Error ID:         OOPS-0c32e465a28adc8c462fec63bbea99df)
[18:58] <mattfly> anyone else has this? know why?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: can you share what you are trying to bug first please?
[18:58] <mattfly> a Xorg crash
[18:58] <mattfly> https://bpaste.net/show/c8a847681fcb
[18:58] <mattfly> http://dpaste.com//384TBYR
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: your kernel isnt up to date
[18:59] <mattfly> well i just runned apt upgrade
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: wich kernel are you on now please?
[18:59] <mattfly> # uname -a
[18:59] <mattfly> Linux matheus-Inspiron-15-7000-Gaming 4.18.0-17-generic #18~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 15 15:27:12 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:00] <mattfly> theres no newer kernel according to apt
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: 4.18.0-21
[19:00] <mattfly> why cant i update?
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | mattfly try this
[19:01] <mattfly> ok, ill run apt update then that
[19:01] <mattfly> no new kernel
[19:02] <ioria> mattfly, apt-cache policy linux-generic
[19:02] <mattfly> http://dpaste.com/07C1ZXB
[19:03] <ioria> mattfly, it's ok
[19:04] <ioria> mattfly, no, sorry ...  uname -r ?
[19:04] <mattfly> 4.18.0-17-generic
[19:05] <ioria> mattfly, apt-cache policy linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[19:06] <mattfly> https://bpaste.net/show/1ac8665e73c6
[19:06] <ioria> mattfly, how can you have 4.18.0-17-generic installed ?
[19:07] <mattfly> bad ppa's ? ubuntu servers are off
[19:07] <ioria> ppa ?
[19:07] <mattfly> i have no idea
[19:07] <mattfly> is this saying the 21 is the candidate?
[19:07] <mattfly> but im running the -17
[19:07] <ioria> mattfly, did you manually installed 4.18.0-17-generic ?
[19:08] <mattfly> haha i think i did with ukuu
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> oO
[19:08] <ioria> ah, ok
[19:08] <mattfly> but im not sure and it doesnt want to open
[19:09] <ioria> mattfly, not a good way of action, if you ask me
[19:09] <mattfly> i said im not sure
[19:09] <ioria> i'am
[19:09] <mattfly> lol
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: pastebin: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:10] <mattfly> uh you dont want to see the ppa mess...
[19:10] <ioria> no, thanks
[19:10] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: we dont support external ppa's
[19:11] <mattfly> wait if i use a external ppa, lets say for installing vscode or whatever, then you dont support the official Xorg package anymore?
[19:11] <mattfly> if the kernel is from a external ppa i would agree with the lack of support
[19:11] <ioria> no relation with xorg, afaik, and code is in snaps
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: before we start debugging possible bug, we need an up to date system first
[19:12] <mattfly> yeah, i wil ltry to get the kernel up to date
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: we also advise to avoid issues on ubuntu, to not add external ppa's to your system
[19:13] <mattfly> but apt question, how do I clean multiple times configures ppas?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | mattfly start here
[19:13] <royal_screwup21> I'm on linux ubuntu 18.04 and all of a sudden some of my applications such as IDE, video player etc,  are freezing up. I have no idea why everything has gotten so laggy. Is there any to confirm if things are indeed slower than usual, or if this is just one of those rare moments where everything is actually normal and the lagginess is just an anomal
[19:13] <royal_screwup21> y?
[19:13] <mattfly> i just want to remove duplicates and those returning error 404
[19:16] <_KaszpiR_> royal_screwup21 sounds like out of memory
[19:17] <royal_screwup21> _KaszpiR_ but I have 10gb available https://termbin.com/2acq
[19:18] <_KaszpiR_> some messages in /var/log/kern.log ?
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: kernel version, graphics card chipset and driver version please?
[19:20] <royal_screwup21> graphics card: Intel® HD Graphics 630 (Kaby Lake GT2). Kernel version: 4.15.0-51-generic
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: can you pastebin your dmesg please?
[19:21] <royal_screwup21> https://termbin.com/5ict
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: what did you do?
[19:23] <royal_screwup21> lotuspsychje not sure I understand :) I just pasted the output for dmesg?
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: your network going nuts, more details of your system please?
[19:24] <_KaszpiR_> vswitch?
[19:25] <royal_screwup21> my wifi isn't great -- it's at 10mbps
[19:26] <royal_screwup21> i'm on a 64 bit os
[19:26] <royal_screwup21> and my processor is: Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz × 8
[19:27] <coz_> 8 cores?
[19:28] <royal_screwup21> coz_ yep
[19:28] <coz_> royal_screwup21, which system is this?
[19:28] <royal_screwup21>  ubuntu 18.04
[19:29] <coz_> royal_screwup21, I mean manufacturer or did you build this?
[19:29] <Yatekii> how do I do a proper release upgrade from the shell (18.04->19.04)?
[19:29] <Yatekii> (I always used the GUI for that before)
[19:29] <royal_screwup21> coz_ manufacturer would be Dell, and I upgraded from 16.04
[19:30] <coz_> royal_screwup21,  which dell , this is completely curiosity
[19:30] <royal_screwup21> I'm not entirely sure what the problem is: is it inherent to my PC or is it outside of that?
[19:31] <royal_screwup21> I understand how the weak wifi can make my IDE and browser laggy, but it's affecting my video player t oo
[19:31] <coz_> >??
[19:31] <ioria> Yatekii, you can't (you first need 18.10)
[19:31] <Yatekii> ioria: yeah, I don't mind that :) is it as easy as apt dist-upgrade twice?
[19:31] <ioria> Yatekii, nope, do-release-upgrade
[19:32] <coz_> royal_screwup21, have you tried the live cd/usb and if so did it have the same issues?
[19:32] <royal_screwup21> coz_ I did not try those, nope
[19:33] <coz_> royal_screwup21, so the issue was not on the live cd/usb
[19:33] <Yatekii> ioria: thanks a ton. I wasn't sure how to google that actually because I was looking for distupgrade because I didn't know the proper term :/
[19:33] <BungeeTheCookie> hey
[19:33] <ioria> ok
[19:33] <BungeeTheCookie> are there any good system monitors for ubuntu
[19:34] <BungeeTheCookie> like where it will display for me CPU, GPU, RAM usage?
[19:34] <BungeeTheCookie> and I can view it via a  HTML server
[19:34] <coz_> royal_screwup21, if that's the case, this might not go over well, reinstall
[19:34] <royal_screwup21> coz_ ok, will do. Out of curiosity do you know what the problem is from the logs of `dmesg` I posted above?
[19:35] <BungeeTheCookie> or good system monitors in general where i can view system stats easily
[19:36] <coz_> royal_screwup21,  no I dont, however the upgrade apprently messed up, I generally allways clean install a new version
[19:36] <royal_screwup21> I made the upgrade a few months back, everything was working fine until now
[19:37] <coz_> royal_screwup21, ah!! what did you do? ")
[19:37] <royal_screwup21> Not sure if it's a networking issue or if it's an upgrade issue
[19:38] <royal_screwup21> it's likely that it's mostly a networking issue seeing as it was hinted at, but I don't really understand the root of it
[19:38] <coz_> royal_screwup21,  again, I always prefer a clean install to illuminate upgrade issues
[19:39] <coz_> royal_screwup21, not sure I will take anothe look, no promises, I am bad at any kind of networking issues
[19:39] <coz_> royal_screwup21,  by they way which dell model system is this?
[19:39] <royal_screwup21> lotuspsychje can you give me a pointer or two on what I should be looking at? :)  You mentioned it was a networking issue but I don't quite understand what's wrong (are you referring to the weak wifi?)
[19:40] <Yatekii> hmm can I somehow monitor the progress of the release upgrade
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> royal_screwup21: i think you are not giving us full details of your install, docker? VM?
[19:40] <ioria> Yatekii, it will
[19:41] <Yatekii> I just see lots of "preparing .." and "unpacking ..". I don't see where that shwos anything :PO
[19:41] <ioria> wait
[19:41] <mattfly> lotuspsychje and ioria, im not running a custom kernel, why doesnt it want to update?
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: you did not pastebin what i asked yet
[19:42] <mattfly> or how can i make sure its not a custom kernel at all, because according to ukuu, well it has the ubuntu sign near to it
[19:42] <mattfly> oh okay
[19:42] <ioria> mattfly, please, you did the wrong thing; if you wanted 4.18 on bionic you should have installed the hwe
[19:43] <coz_> Yatekii, if doingvia terminal, there should be a fairly clear output, yes?
[19:43] <royal_screwup21> lotuspsychje I dual booted  it with windows
[19:43] <coz_> eeeww! sorry, did I say that out loud? ")
[19:44] <royal_screwup21> and speaker of docker...I was actually playing around with it yesterday and I think something might have happened. I have now killed all containers https://gist.github.com/evanscottgray/8571828 but I don't see a noticeable increase in speed
[19:44] <Yatekii> coz_: it just prints out loudly what it's doing atm. no mention of overall progress :)
[19:45] <ioria> Yatekii, just wait, it's not progressive; it's by interval
[19:45] <coz_> Yatekii, I would think there would be a progress bar
[19:45] <ioria> nope
[19:46] <Yatekii> ioria: sorry, I don't understand that sentence :/
[19:46] <ioria> Yatekii, you don't have a progress bar
[19:46] <royal_screwup21> does the `dmesg` output still show that I have a network problem? https://termbin.com/q6d1
[19:47] <Yatekii> yeah but why. I mean it knows how many packages have to be updated ;) but yeah I'm fine without :)
[19:47] <Yatekii> I just wanted an indicator since my entioer PC is lagging during the update and I can't read wikipages in my browser which is annoying as I wanna code :D
[19:47] <ioria> Yatekii, you'll get the progress in few minutes
[19:48] <mattfly> http://dpaste.com//2Y8ZMVW  https://bpaste.net/show/fec7e84b336e  lotuspsychje
[19:48] <Yatekii> k
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> mattfly: im not gonna debug your system sorry, i advice a clean install
[19:49] <mattfly> lol
[20:05] <hggdh> mattfly: just a comment, and I am out: your 'apt update' output shows MANY external (non-Ubuntu) repositories; additionally, there seems to be duplicate lines. So... start by eliminating the duplicate lines in the sources.list
[20:05] <mattfly> is there a automatic way to do this?
[20:11] <hggdh> mattfly: no
[20:12] <mattfly> if it can detect the duplicate and the line it is on, why cant it simply ignore it or auto delete it?
[20:14] <hggdh> mattfly: it might be possible, but it is not there; as such, will not help you.
[20:15] <mattfly> I actually thought there was a reason for this
[20:16] <Yatekii> ok, so the update to 19,04 is now in progress :)
[20:23] <hggdh> sigh.
[20:24] <hggdh> mattfly: please *read* the pastes you sent to us. Pay special attention to the lines after "Reading package lists... Done".
[21:04] <Gallomimia> do snaps get upgraded?
[21:05] <coz_> Gallomimia, for me, I don't know. I son't use snap or flatpak
[21:05] <coz_> don't
[21:12] <styledash> think snaps update themselves automaticallyh
[21:15] <dax> they get updates if/when their maintainers update them
[21:16] <dax> since they aren't synced from Debian like universe is, and don't get security team support like main/restricted do, that sometimes gets a bit fun
[21:17] <styledash> sounds like a mess
[21:31] <bray90820> What kernel does ubuntu 19.04 have?
[21:33] <jeremy31> bray90820: 5.0.0-16?
[21:34] <bray90820> jeremy31: So what did 18.10 have?
[21:35] <jeremy31> bray90820: 4.18.0-?
[21:35] <bray90820> Ok ok that makes sense thanks
[21:52] <dr_hrb> Would anyone like to buy a puzzle box, slightly used, only $35?
[21:52] <dr_hrb> https://app.box.com/s/r2t2uepbz1yyx6imbd8rat5l6gcgsytm
[21:54] <supercool> I certainly not. But thank you.
[23:56] <kinghat> anyone have a brother scanner?


[10:33] <GunnarHj> Hi cjwatson, can you please change the name of "Kurdish (Sorani)" to the more official and ISO compatible "Kurdish, Central".
[10:34] <GunnarHj> https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/ckb
[10:35] <cjwatson> SpecialK|Canon: ^- (as help contact)
[10:37] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: Should be normally direct such requests to SpecialK|Canon going forward?
[10:39] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: see the topic
[10:39] <cjwatson> GunnarHj: there's a help contact at the start, and we're rotating among people
[10:39] <cjwatson> spreads knowledge and keeps load down on individuals
[10:40] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: seen now; good idea
[10:40] <cjwatson> (I'm still available as escalation if people can't figure things out though)
[10:41] <SpecialK|Canon> Hi, was in a call
[10:43] <SpecialK|Canon> Let me take a look
[10:47] <GunnarHj> SpecialK|Canon: I don't have the access, but I assumed it is a simple edit of the name.
[10:53] <SpecialK|Canon> GunnarHj: It is indeed, and done - I trust you're ok to follow up with ~ubuntu-l10n-ckb as you see fit?
[10:56] <GunnarHj> SpecialK|Canon: Will do. I can add that it was not my own invention; it was their main translator who made the similar request to GNOME:
[10:56] <GunnarHj> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-i18n/2020-May/msg00007.html
[10:56] <GunnarHj> SpecialK|Canon: Anyway, thanks!
[10:57] <SpecialK|Canon> GunnarHj: No problem, cheers :)
[10:57] <SpecialK|Canon> (And thanks to cjwatson for context here)
[10:59] <cjwatson> Ah, good, I assumed it was probably a request from translators rather than your own initiative, but good to have that on record
[10:59] <cjwatson> Incidentally why "Kurdish, Central" rather than "Central Kurdish"?  The ISO name seems to be Central Kurdish
[11:00] <cjwatson> Could just be a collation thing of course
[11:10] <GunnarHj> cjwatson: The ISO *name* is "Kurdish, Central", but they also state the *reference_name* "Central Kurdish" (which no applications care about AFAIK). So if you for instance open gnome-language-selector -> Install Languages, you'll see "Kurdish, Central".
[11:10] <cjwatson> Aha, I missed that subtlety
[11:10] <cjwatson> I'd been looking at https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/ckb
[11:12] <SpecialK|Canon> I'm sorry, I totally blanked and set it to Central Kurdish, let me fix it to Kurdish, Central, apologies
[11:12] <SpecialK|Canon> There we go
[11:15] <mvo> hey, I get a somewhat strange error when trying to build "test-snapd-sh-core20", it looks like bzr inside the LP build is crashing. The full log is at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/478364007/buildlog_snap_ubuntu_focal_arm64_test-snapd-sh-core20_BUILDING.txt.gz and the error " AttributeError: can't set attribute " when it tries to bzr branch lp:~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/test-snapd-sh-core20 - any hints for me what might be going wrong here? or wh
[11:15] <mvo> at I can do?
[11:16] <GunnarHj> cjwatson, SpecialK|Canon: Hmm.. That web page seems official indeed. I looked at /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639-3.xml, which the apps use to grab the name. We can't preclude that there is a bug in iso-codes, of course... In any way I think that "Kurdish, Central" is better in an LP context, where the language names are usually presented in long lists.
[11:21] <cjwatson> mvo: Uh.  That is peculiar and bug-worthy.  It seems to be part of the process of resolving an lp: URL, but it's before it actually makes the XML-RPC request so I don't think it can be a proxy issue ...
[11:22] <cjwatson> mvo: You could avoid it by putting the source for the snap in git instead?
[11:22] <cjwatson> mvo: There doesn't seem a compelling reason to use bzr here
[11:25] <wgrant> Looks kind of like breezy's proxy support is broken in focal, but hard to say
[11:26] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, happy to do it and move to git, was just cargo-culting my old snap, thanks for the suggestion
[11:26] <cjwatson> proxy> it does, yeah
[17:53] <diddledan> yellow... I registered vscode for upstream bug linking at https://launchpad.net/vscode but didn't spot the license field so now it is listed without the MIT license attribution, and I can't now edit the page to add it post-facto
[17:53] <diddledan> I added the project via the "link-issue-to-upstream-bug" form
[20:25] <cjwatson> diddledan: I've set it to MIT
[20:25] <diddledan> thanks cjwatson :-)


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[02:01] <mhall119> well wasn't that pleasant
[03:21] <krieg1> good evening, is there a process to add launchers to panels, desktop in unity?
[03:23] <krieg1> or a tool to cfg unity of some sort?
[18:38] <krieg1> oks last attempt to ask, is there a tool or package to get for unity, that will allow me to add panels, drawers to panels, and custom launchers to the drawers?
[18:40] <om26er> krieg1, this is a tool to add custom icons to the *launcher*
[18:40] <om26er> krieg1, the first two options that you asked are not possible as of yet
[18:40] <om26er> https://launchpad.net/unity-launcher-editor krieg1
[18:42] <krieg1> om26er, tyvm, is this something they are working on?
[18:43] <om26er> no
[18:43] <krieg1> ah oks,,,,,,,wow
[20:24] <andyrock> om26er, around=
[20:24] <andyrock> ?
[20:24] <andyrock> or htorque :)
[20:25] <om26er> yes i am here :p
[20:25] <andyrock> i need a quick test :)
[20:26] <andyrock> open the app lens
[20:26] <om26er> talk business
[20:26] <om26er> ;-)
[20:26] <om26er> and
[20:27] <andyrock> expand a category so the scrollbar appears
[20:27] <om26er> !test
[20:27] <andyrock> now scroll down using the touchpad (mouse wheel)
[20:27] <om26er> expanded
[20:28] <andyrock> when you have reached the end of the dash
[20:28] <andyrock> continue to scroll down
[20:28] <andyrock> let's say for 10 seconds
[20:28] <andyrock> then tray to scroll up
[20:28] <andyrock> *try
[20:28] <andyrock> what happens?
[20:29] <om26er> nothing is happening
[20:29] <om26er> kk
[20:29] <andyrock> you cannot scroll up right?
[20:29] <om26er> seems to work fine :p
[20:29] <om26er> i am not using trunk, its oneiric
[20:29] <Daekdroom> It's working alright in precise too
[20:30] <andyrock> mmm...
[20:30] <andyrock> brb
[20:30] <andyrock> precise is not trunk :)
[20:30] <Daekdroom> I know.
[21:08] <SudoFox> Fsck unity! Pun intended!
[21:08] <SudoFox> It's given me nothing but trouble!

[21:09] <SudoFox> Why the hay would Canonical put a *beta* interface on Ubuntu as the *only* interface?!
[21:10] <SudoFox> I want my old gnome bar back, with *easy* desktop switching that I don't have to scroll 50 items down to get!
[21:10] <SudoFox> And where I could actually *see* the path to whatever application I was launching!
[21:10] <Daekdroom> SudoFox, sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[21:10] <SudoFox> And actually drag it onto my terminal so I could run it as root!
[21:10] <SudoFox> <end flame>
[21:10] <SudoFox> oooh, really?
[21:10] <SudoFox> hold on.
[21:12] <Omega> Why are you here SudoFox?
[21:13] <SudoFox> To seek answers.. and knowledge... and enlightenment... with a good old dose of humor in between.
[21:15] <SudoFox> Oh, crud. The only button available is "Log out", and I'm running live persistent.
[21:15] <SudoFox> Shoulda run as root.
[21:16] <SudoFox> That;s better.
[21:17] <SudoFox> That's a lot better. But how to kill unity? Here we go.
[21:18] <Daekdroom> You have to restart your session and pick GNOME at the log in screen
[21:19] <SudoFox> Hmm. That'll mean I need to make a user. Live's not gonna cut it.
[21:21] <SudoFox> I'm making myself a mobile workstation.
[21:21] <SudoFox> Goodbye "try ubuntu/install", it'll boot like normal.
[21:26] <SudoFox> Bye for now.
[21:59] <htorque> andyrock: hi! do you need the stuff from above tested with trunk? i could build it...
[22:19] <andyrock> htorque, don't worry :)
[22:21] <htorque> andyrock: i failed to build libunity anyways (http://paste.ubuntu.com/774723/), so no trunk testing from me for now :P


[00:00] <brousch> you can do a one-off command, so i guess you could use that to pull in a settings file
[00:04] <brousch> but there's an actual command to set environment variables
[00:05] <brousch> heroku config:add SECRET_KEY=xxx
[00:34] <rick_h_> brousch: gotcha
[00:37] <brousch> also, your program starts when the upload is done, so i don't think you could fetch from S3 before that
[00:39] <greg-g> jono commented on my U1 on Debian post :)
[00:39] <greg-g> heh
[00:40] <snap-l> greg-g: When the identi.ca group hits 1,000 blocked users, I think it'll be high-time to talk about disbanding it.
[00:41] <snap-l> Though the private checkbox is interesting
[00:41] <snap-l> not sure it's entirely appropriate, though
[00:41] <snap-l> New members must be approved by admin and all posts are forced to be private.
[00:42] <greg-g> I wish there was a "public posts, but new members moderated" option
[00:42] <snap-l> Yes^1000
[00:44] <snap-l> None of my other groups get spammed like the Ubuntu Group
[00:56] <maxsilver> The fetching thing might not work so well on Heroku -- since your not supposed to write anything to disk, there wouldn't be a good place to store a downloaded file
[01:08] <rick_h_> greg-g: linky?
[01:18] <greg-g> rick_h_: http://blog.grossmeier.net/2012/02/26/ubuntuone-debian/
[01:19] <rick_h_> greg-g: got it, thanks
[01:19] <greg-g> np
[01:19] <rick_h_> kind of sad, I'd think Jono a bit beyond the normal "you have a problem, change your toolset" response
[01:21]  * greg-g nods
[01:21] <greg-g> also, why install a behemoth and pair it down to what I want when I can install what I want plus one part of the behemoth?  Yes, I know support is tough, but it would be nice if there were some way to get Debian at the very least to run this stuff.
[01:34] <rick_h_> well I do think it's the communities to at least participate
[01:34] <snap-l> Oh, no doubt
[01:34] <snap-l> I'm not expecting Ubuntu to do all of the work
[01:35] <rick_h_> so I can't say I'm 100% surprised, but I'd fully expect the U1 team to help if someone were to start filing some bugs, patches, etc to help make the installation work better
[01:35] <snap-l> But it does seem like there's an artificially-implemented divide between the two
[01:35] <snap-l> rick_h_: Couldn't agree more.
[01:35] <rick_h_> well, just not any effort to think ahead I think
[01:36] <rick_h_> I mean, it's the bare min to get working in ubuntu
[01:36] <snap-l> Yeah, but it feels like everything in Ubuntu gets a 6 month slap-dash to get it running
[01:36] <snap-l> I'd like a little more percolation, personally
[01:36] <snap-l> U1 was rushed. Unity was rushed.
[01:37] <snap-l> I hope Pangolin gets a little more "no, you're not reay yet".
[01:37] <snap-l> s/reay/ready/
[01:38] <rick_h_> well there's nothing really new in this release
[01:38] <rick_h_> cleaned up U1, cleaned up unity, more testing infrastructure, etc
[01:38] <snap-l> Save for the DNS mucking. ;)
[01:38] <rick_h_> the reviews are going to be boring
[01:38] <rick_h_> well, honestly that's not huge when I actually looked at it
[01:39] <rick_h_> resolve.conf == 4 files or whatever
[01:39] <rick_h_> in resolve.d
[01:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I implement about half of it now
[01:40] <snap-l> and frankly, I think resolv.conf needs some love.
[01:40] <snap-l> Every time I connect to a network, resolv.conf gets thwacked.
[01:44] <rick_h_> yea, that's the new behavior according to that post
[02:01] <jrwren> am i just in time for meeting? or late? or did we move to weekdays?
[02:03] <rick_h_> no idea any more
[02:03] <rick_h_> I just idle and hope to hit it
[02:03] <rick_h_> snap-l: ping?
[02:04] <jrwren> 2 devs working full time can do amazing things in 6mo.
[02:05] <rick_h_> this is true, what's the new cool thing now?
[02:05]  * rick_h_ wishes he could take 6mo to just hack on bookie full time
[02:05] <jrwren> i wish i could take 6mo and give a full month to about 6 projects?
[02:05] <jrwren> and get paid nicely to do so :)
[02:05] <rick_h_> heh very true
[02:32] <jrwren> wikipedia pages aren't loading becuase of wikimedia?
[02:37] <brousch> crap there was a meeting?
[02:39] <rick_h_> brousch: well we didn't have one if there was supposed to be one
[02:42] <snap-l> Meeting is next week.
[02:42] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/349/detail/
[02:44] <brousch> the night after the bug jam?
[02:44] <brousch> the night of the day after the bug jam?
[02:45] <snap-l> Yes
[03:08] <jjesse> brousch, i don't know how the pictures of the train setup (posted on google+) turned out but it makes the bretton village one look like small fry
[03:09] <jjesse> its pretty amazing setup
[03:09] <brousch> jjesse: yeah, we were there least fall
[03:09] <brousch> spent at least 2.5 hours around that setup
[03:09] <jjesse> we only spent about 45 minutes but was short on time
[03:09] <brousch> my son was ready to move into that room
[03:10] <jjesse> yeah i bet so was caleb
[03:10] <jjesse> its pretty amazing
[03:10] <jjesse> i love how the trains will stop and wait at the signals for the other trains
[03:10] <brousch> george was afraid of the tree getting chopped down and the explosion
[03:11] <jjesse> i figured caleb wouldn't appreciate that so i didn't show him
[03:13] <brousch> that is an awesome place
[03:13] <brousch> we spent all day there
[03:13] <jjesse> we did too
[03:13] <brousch> the field museum is even bigger
[03:13] <jjesse> i was amazed at how less crowded than shedd's aquarium it was
[03:13] <brousch> need 3 days for just that
[03:13] <jjesse> field museum is newt saturday
[03:13] <jjesse> only have a day for each
[03:14] <jjesse> the city pass should give you multiple days :)
[03:14] <brousch> make sure to hit the dinos and the totem poles before your feet fall off
[03:14] <jjesse> will do
[03:20] <brousch> jjesse: where are you staying?
[03:20] <jjesse> river north area
[03:20] <jjesse> i'm hear for 2 weeks for work
[03:20] <jjesse> so family came w/
[03:21] <brousch> we stayed at Hotel 71, on the 30-somethingth floor. it had awesome views up the river at night
[03:21] <jjesse> nice
[03:21] <jjesse> we are at a residence inn (marriott of course ) on the 19th floor
[03:21] <brousch> george would just sit in the window looking at the lights
[03:21] <jjesse> there is a construction site right out the window that caleb has been watching
[03:21] <brousch> hah, a crane no doubt
[03:21] <jjesse> they poured a floor of concrete earlier this week
[03:21] <jjesse> yeah a crane
[03:22] <jjesse> brousch,  you are Facebook friends so yiou can see all the picturesthere
[03:23] <brousch> our hotel was in the model train city. that was cool
[03:23] <jjesse> thats cool
[03:24] <brousch> a crane outside the window might have been more entertaining than the lights
[03:24] <jjesse> that and watching them put concrete down on an entire floor
[03:24] <jjesse> so concret mixers and a conceret pumper
[03:25] <brousch> these were across the river from our hotel https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150547672081750&set=a.10150547670941750.373788.635511749&type=3&theater
[03:26] <jjesse> so we are just down the road
[03:26] <jjesse> from that hotel
[03:27] <jjesse> residence
[03:27] <jjesse> sorry that's a condo
[03:36] <brousch> oh yeah, when you come back home make sure you watch Batman: The Dark Knight
[03:36] <brousch> it's amazing all the places you recognize
[03:37] <jjesse> they filmed it here?
[03:37] <jjesse> didn't realize that
[03:40] <brousch> yeah
[11:50] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:14] <rick_h_> morning
[12:40] <rick_h_> man, it's kind of a bit intimdating replying to the all company tech mailing lists. "did I dot all my i's, cross all my t's, will someone be able to crush me."
[12:47] <brousch> like a bug!
[12:50] <brousch> I moved essentially all of our data and programs to a new server yesterday. So far nothing is broken.
[12:51] <brousch> Waiting for the hammer to drop
[12:57] <snap-l> brousch: Friday afternoon. :)
[12:57] <snap-l> That's when all server hammers drop
[13:00] <brousch> it shouldn't take all week
[13:25] <rick_h_> you never know when it'll go boom!
[13:31] <brousch> i'm not so much waiting for the server to go boom as i am for one of my users to report that i forgot to move something
[13:31] <rick_h_> heh, "to the backups!
[13:31] <rick_h_> woot, fish tank is starting to stay clear, time to buy more plants!
[13:44] <brousch> i must be missing something about reddit. the front page is full of juvenile crap. is there a secret area with the good stuff?
[13:46] <rick_h_> I created an account and just filter to only the ones I care about
[13:47] <rick_h_> and even then it can be juvenile
[13:48] <brousch> ah, they are called subreddits
[13:52] <brousch> ok, i think i figured it out
[13:52] <snap-l> Yeah, you need a reddit account
[13:52] <snap-l> otherwise it's titties and beer jokes.
[13:53] <brousch> so i need 2 reddit accounts. one for when i'm sober and one for when i'm drunk
[13:53] <snap-l> So let it be written, so let it be done.
[14:20] <rick_h_> waldo323_: ping
[14:21] <waldo323_> rick_h_, pong
[14:21] <rick_h_> hey, PC question for you. I submitted a talk and got a reply told to "edit the description to fit into the program book"
[14:21] <rick_h_> are there rules for that you know about?
[14:21] <rick_h_> and if I wanted to try to narrow down schedule time can you hook me up?
[14:21] <rick_h_> :) using my connections
[14:22] <snap-l> Funny that. I sent Krunal a note about doing a podcast presentation again, but haven't heard back from him
[14:22] <rick_h_> well I filled out the online form and heard from him on the 25th
[14:25] <waldo323_> huh, not sure what he wanted changed for the program book I can find out though
[14:26] <rick_h_> waldo323_: he mentions:  (toss
[14:26] <rick_h_> it into 3rd person, add more detail, etc.)
[14:26] <rick_h_> but I can't find any docs on length/size, does it need a bio, etc
[14:26] <rick_h_> I guess are there other examples somewhere I can peek at and compare against?
[14:26] <snap-l> rick_h_: Assume whatever you type will be in the probram book
[14:26] <waldo323_> and if you have time requirements shoot them to me and also programming at penguicon.org
[14:26] <rick_h_> k thanks.
[14:27] <rick_h_> Ok, well I'll wing it then, I just wondered if I was blind/missing the program requirements somewhere
[14:27] <snap-l> I have a feeling they're sitting in the program book author's head. :)
[14:27] <waldo323_> i'll find out and if there are i'll try to make sure they get more visibility
[14:28] <snap-l> Wow, the wiki is severely out of date.
[14:28] <snap-l> http://www.penguicon.info/doku.php/programbook
[14:28] <waldo323_> parts of it
[14:28] <waldo323_> oh
[14:28] <waldo323_> i thought you ment in general
[14:28] <snap-l> Nah, it's a wiki
[14:28] <snap-l> certain parts will get more love than others
[14:29] <snap-l> I can cope with that. :)
[14:29] <rick_h_> ah ok, that's cool for an example of length of things
[14:29] <rick_h_> thanks snap-l
[14:29] <waldo323_> i will see if matt will update it or tell me what he want there so i can update it
[14:30] <rick_h_> waldo323_: ok thanks. SOrry for me being lazy and punting to you :)
[14:30] <waldo323_> :)
[14:30] <waldo323_> quite alright
[14:31] <snap-l> I think wiki actually means "dated information" in it's mother tongue.
[14:31] <waldo323_> and thanks snap-l for the info :)
[14:31] <waldo323_> heh
[14:31] <waldo323_> lots of it has actually been updated recently....i get email updates about them
[14:32] <snap-l> Wow, just had a black-out
[14:33] <snap-l> home internet went poof for a bit
[14:33] <waldo323_> hands snap-l some water
[14:33] <rick_h_> ouch
[14:33] <snap-l> It's been known to do that on occasion
[14:33] <snap-l> Usually 30-60 seconds until the modem reconnects
[14:44] <waldo323_> rick_h_, req for info sent
[14:45] <rick_h_> waldo323_: thank, appreciate it
[14:45] <rick_h_> where's krondor, I submitted my talk, now he needs to do his :P
[14:45] <waldo323_> you're welcome
[14:49] <jrwren> brousch: what city were you and jjesse talking about?
[14:55] <brousch> jrwren: chicago
[14:56] <jrwren> but he was comparing osmething to shed.
[14:56] <jrwren> where did he go that wasn't shed?
[14:56] <brousch> museum of science and industry
[14:56] <jrwren> oh, now I see it. field museum?
[14:56] <brousch> i think he's hitting field museum today or tomorrow
[14:57] <jrwren> ah, well I need to go to those places :)
[14:57] <brousch> you've not been to any?
[14:57] <jrwren> only shed.
[14:57] <jrwren> and some art museum, i dont' recall which
[14:57] <brousch> they are awesome, huge
[15:05] <rick_h_> crap, I can't lose this much time right now http://vimbits.com/
[15:33] <rick_h_> krondor: submitted my talk, where's yours :P
[15:43] <jcastro> rick_h_: are you entering bookie in the charm contest?
[15:43] <rick_h_> jcastro: might try, but I'm working on getting our 0.4 release out first.
[15:44] <rick_h_> but honestly, I won't meet many of the 'points' conditions like using other charms/etc
[15:44] <rick_h_> so not high up there
[15:44] <rick_h_> however I htink at the sprint we found the new makefile magic does make it possible for the first time
[15:44] <rick_h_> so closer
[15:44] <jcastro> well, even if it's not too sexy, just having it in there would be <3
[15:45] <rick_h_> yea, I might give it a go at pycon if I get some time during sprints there
[15:45] <rick_h_> and we should have 0.4 out before or during that time
[15:46] <jcastro> is there other codereview things out there?
[15:46] <jcastro> or is reviewboard still the ninja one?
[15:46] <rick_h_> there's reviewboard and reitveild (app engine)
[15:46] <rick_h_> so reviewboard would be the hotness to get going
[15:46] <rick_h_> django based and all
[15:47] <rick_h_> they just had a release hit today as well
[15:47] <jcastro> yeah I put it on my blog
[15:47] <rick_h_> there's also gerrit
[15:47] <jcastro> I am thinking of things you would want to set up if you had your own company
[15:47] <rick_h_> but that's so so, you either love/hate it. Java based I think and used in android
[15:47] <jcastro> I don't care what it takes to run them, I don't need to pay for the instances. :)
[15:49] <rick_h_> yea, jenkins, reviewboard, gitolite
[15:53] <rick_h_> jcastro: redmine, trac maybe
[15:53] <jcastro> got those 2 already
[15:53] <rick_h_> big ones I can think off of the top of my head
[15:53] <rick_h_> maybe some sort of project mgt, but can't think of one I've used I'd want to use again :)
[15:53] <rick_h_> too much stuff is cloud, trello, google docs, etc
[15:54] <jcastro> yeah
[15:54] <jcastro> trello is great\
[15:55] <rick_h_> yea, working well for bookie todo so far
[15:55] <rick_h_> not really turning useful for my own todo, but meh
[17:23] <greg-g> jcastro: civicrm, openERP
[17:24] <greg-g> jcastro: Launchpad (lolz)
[17:24] <jcastro> launchpad is in progress
[17:24] <greg-g> no kidding?
[17:24] <greg-g> wow
[17:25] <greg-g> from my (limited) understanding, that is a beast to set up
[17:25] <jcastro> that's why they are charming it
[17:25] <greg-g> fair
[17:25] <greg-g> do the hard work once
[17:26] <jcastro> indeed
[17:26] <snap-l> Steps to install launchpad:
[17:26] <jcastro> parts of it are in there already
[17:26] <snap-l> 1) Format target machine
[17:26] <snap-l> 2) DO stuff
[17:26] <snap-l> 3) Profit
[17:27] <jcastro> civicrm looks nice
[17:27] <jcastro> (bugs files for both of those)
[17:27] <snap-l> That was one thing that cracked me up when people complained that SF.net wasn't OSS.
[17:28] <snap-l> It wasn't like most of that code made any sense outside of the sf.net datacenter.
[17:29] <jcastro> yeah, making that stuff generalized is hard
[17:29] <snap-l> That's also the nice part about Allura: it's designed with the outside world in mind
[17:29] <snap-l> (Allura being sf.net 2.0)
[17:40] <krondor> redmine can do project mgmt to an extent... not that I am fan of any project mgmt stuff really
[17:41] <snap-l> Most of what I've seen for project management is either way too heavy, or way too cumbersome to move quickly.
[17:41] <snap-l> At which point keeping things updated becomes an event in itself.
[17:42] <krondor> when I heard project mgmt I think of gantt charts and people being called resources (slightly offensive) and then my eyes glaze over.
[17:42] <krondor> I think corporate IT has conditioned me into hating it though (negative feedback loop with tasks/nagging pms/etc...).
[17:42] <snap-l> My favorite is "What percent would you say we're done?"
[17:43] <snap-l> "I dunno, what percentace is NFC?"
[17:43]  * snap-l aliases NFC to NaN
[17:43] <greg-g> :)
[17:44] <snap-l> And then, because the report is more about pleasing the teacher than actually showing work, all of the milestones and percentages are completely off
[17:44] <snap-l> which then gets set in stone, and becomes the rod for which to spank the unruly developers.
[17:49] <krondor> snap-l: ++
[17:50] <snap-l> My other favorite is when the process becomes mroe important than actually doing the work, but that's another rant for another time.
[17:51] <krondor> greg-g:  ooh civicrm looks neat. I have a nonprofit that might realy like this.
[17:52] <greg-g> krondor: cool!
[17:52] <greg-g> krondor: we use it at CC
[17:56] <snap-l> Hmmm... wonder if MUG could use this.
[18:12] <greg-g> uh oh, now all the MUG emails will have &utmsource= junk in them for click tracking :)
[18:49] <snap-l> Nah, those are separate
[18:50] <snap-l> but we've been looking for a self-service way to get folks to pay dues.
[18:50] <snap-l> currently we send out paper invoices
[18:50] <snap-l> http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/intro.cws_home/newmessagerwa <- greg-g
[18:52] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, haven't finished reading it, but, they finally figured it won't look good for them to keep pushing it due to the HUGE amount of outcry, which was awesome
[18:52] <snap-l> Wonder if this means they'll also drop SOPA support as well
[18:53] <snap-l> While we continue to oppose government mandates in this area, Elsevier is withdrawing support for the Research Work Act itself. We hope this will address some of the concerns expressed and help create a less heated and more productive climate for our ongoing discussions with research funders.
[18:53] <snap-l> That's doublespeak
[18:55] <waldo323_> greg-g, do you use the CiviEvent portion of civicrm at CC?
[18:57] <greg-g> waldo323_: don't *think* so. I actually don't interact with CiviCRM at all, it is mostly for "development" work (the OTHER kind of development :) )
[18:57] <greg-g> snap-l: you got it! :)
[18:57] <waldo323_> :) ok    i have been looking for conference scheduling software for a while so civievent caught my eye
[18:57] <greg-g> ahh, gotcha
[18:58] <greg-g> yeah, sorry, can't help ya :)
[18:58] <brousch> waldo323_: pycon uses some opensource thing
[18:58] <brousch> looks like pinax maybe
[18:59] <waldo323_> open source would be my first choice :)
[19:00] <brousch> ok, looks like they cobble something together from pinax and django apps
[19:01] <brousch> https://github.com/eldarion/pycon
[19:01] <waldo323_> perhaps their code is avail....you beat me to it
[19:02] <rick_h_> yea, it's custom python code
[19:02] <rick_h_> they love to say how 'patches welcome'
[19:02] <brousch> i think pyohio uses that too
[19:06] <rick_h_> yea, they started using it last year
[19:07] <snap-l> greg-g: I still hope the researchers route around Elseveir. We've figured out they're useless anyway, so best to sweep away the cruft.
[19:10] <greg-g> snap-l: word, I think this time around the noise level got too high for some (not a critical mass yet, though) to not go back
[19:45] <rick_h_> lmorchard: ping
[19:46] <lmorchard> rick_h_: Heya
[19:46] <rick_h_> lmorchard: hey, speaking of bookmark stuff. Blazeix and _stink_ started hacking on a firefox plugin for bookie
[19:46] <rick_h_> do you know if anyone has super secret debugging tips/tools for getting firebug into content scripts/etc?
[19:47] <rick_h_> I know Blazeix was breaking down adn trying to do some sort of http proxy to check the requests going out and such before he could only get console.log access to the lower level content bits of the sdk based add-ons
[19:47] <lmorchard> Hmm… its been awhile since I played with the new addon stuff, I thought firebug could see into it
[19:47] <rick_h_> it seemed like it would only get the main.js or something and not the other content in the extension
[19:47] <lmorchard> best bet might be something like hanging out on irc://irc.mozilla.org#addons and asking
[19:47] <rick_h_> ok, cool. thanks
[19:48] <lmorchard> I seem to remember hearing the new built-in web dev tools can help
[19:48] <lmorchard> There's also a test runner that fires up Firefox with the addon and sends console output to the shell where you launch the browser
[19:48] <lmorchard> I think my knowledge is like 8 months old though :/
[19:48] <rick_h_> yea, just got to be where really a full dev toolset (debugger/etc) would be most awesome
[19:49] <rick_h_> yea, that's the fun. There's a few different ways and links out there for old things, new things, deprecated things
[19:49] <rick_h_> I was curious if there was a great 'latest/greatest' to try to stick with. We're trying hard to get the chrome-like dev experience going in FF for porting the extension
[19:49] <rick_h_> much much closer, but still some pain points
[19:50] <rick_h_> but cool, I'll try to get with Blazeix at CHC wed and find someone to bug in irc :)
[19:50] <lmorchard> Actually, maybe the #jetpack channel is better on irc.mozilla.org
[19:51] <rick_h_> ok
[19:51] <lmorchard> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Jetpack is the codename of the project at any rate
[19:51] <rick_h_> yea, but some stuff I found on that said it was deprecated so we've tried to stick inside the add-on sdk part of the wiki/docs
[19:51] <rick_h_> I know it was more a 'rename' than deprecated, but cool
[19:53] <lmorchard> Looks like latest-and-greatest is https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk
[19:53] <lmorchard> I should really circle back and play with it some more
[19:53] <rick_h_> yea, the code we're using pulls the latest tarball to populate the extension dev
[19:53] <rick_h_> https://github.com/mitechie/bookie-firefox
[19:53] <rick_h_> good reason to come out to CHC :)
[19:53] <lmorchard> I remember it being not too painful when I built my RSS reader addon, which holy crap was over a year ago http://decafbad.com/blog/2011/01/27/introducing-fireriver-a-river-of-news-for-firefox-4
[19:54] <lmorchard> me? get out of the house? *gasp*
[19:54] <rick_h_> yea, I'm part proxy. I've not tried to debug the issues they've hit yet so don't know the exact details for the stuff they were hitting
[19:55] <rick_h_> lmorchard: yea, you made it out once. We've got the secret coder room for the rest of the year now
[19:55] <rick_h_> long 3hr edition is this wed
[19:55] <lmorchard> Maybe I'll put on the space suit and get out there
[19:55] <rick_h_> I hear the plague isn't sched to hit until the fall :P
[19:58] <snap-l> lmorchard: That's OK.


[00:00] <xubuntu-user> (padgaland) You're talking to me ?
[00:00] <padgaland> no to the room
[00:01] <xubuntu-user> ok ;)
[00:01] <knome> padgaland, maybe tell us what kind of issues...
[00:01] <padgaland> I downloaded the iso from a torrent as well as straight from the mirror, I used universal usb installer to make a loadable usb and it just wont load
[00:02] <padgaland> I have loaded other ubuntu flavors the exact same way
[00:02] <padgaland> no problems
[00:03] <padgaland> It sometimes gets to the gui loading screen then it says its miising a file and goes to a terminal like screen
[00:03] <xubuntu-user> Thanks for answers
[00:04] <padgaland> other times it just doesnt boot from the stick and the hard drive takes over and loads windows
[00:04] <xubuntu-user> padgaland, have you try unetbootin ?
[00:04] <padgaland> unetbootin?
[00:05] <xubuntu-user> To make create you usb booting
[00:05] <padgaland> ill try it
[00:05] <xubuntu-user> ok
[00:06] <xubuntu-user> With which software you did it ?
[00:06] <xubuntu-user> usb-creator ?
[00:08] <xubuntu-user> Ok guys... Wish you a good night ;)
[00:13] <padgaland> yup
[00:14] <padgaland> I got a newish lenovo that i was trying different flavors on
[00:14] <padgaland> The only two that I couldnt get to work was Xubuntu and open Suse
[00:41] <uzrnm> Can't connect to a Wi-Fi network on 16.04.1. Anyone knows a solution to this problem, which was initially present 3 months ago, when they first rolled out the 16.04?
[00:58] <uzrnm> Can't connect to a Wi-Fi network on 16.04.1. Anyone knows a solution to this problem, which was initially present 3 months ago, when they first rolled out the 16.04?
[01:21] <padgaland> Ok just tried to load xubuntu again using unetbootin as the iso stick creator same issue
[01:28] <padgaland> This time i left the error and terminal thing open
[01:30] <padgaland> (initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[01:41] <UQlev> padgaland: you don't need unetbutin to create live-usb
[01:41] <UQlev> padgaland: just use dd
[01:42] <UQlev> padgaland: dd if=ubuntuXXX.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M
[01:43] <padgaland> im using windows
[01:43] <padgaland> to create the live-usb
[03:42] <glitchd> hello all
[03:42] <glitchd> weird problem, as usual..lol
[03:43] <glitchd> i use my tv as my monitor and select the hdmi output for the audio.
[03:43] <glitchd> that works but whenever the screen goes to sleep or the screen saver kicks on, the sound is reverted back to the analog output
[03:43] <glitchd> any ideas why, or how to stop/fix this?
[04:44] <wongbae> Ub
[04:44] <wongbae> Halo
[04:44] <wongbae> Help me
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[04:50] <wongbae> ?
[05:19] <xubuntu69w> hi
[07:10] <laserlevi> Hello
[07:10] <laserlevi> I need some help installing xubuntu 16.04 on an older laptop
[11:42] <xubuntu52w> hi everybody, I hope someone can help me with the issue here. I have no internet and the Network Manager is no longer working after a crashed upgrade on Ubuntu 14 to 15. Can someone advise here?
[11:43] <xubuntu52w> Many thanks
[12:49] <quantibility> hello, my gmusic browser is playing static. or a feedback sounding crap.. anyone help?
[12:50] <knome> change the track
[12:50] <quantibility> plays on all songs
[12:51] <quantibility> plays the static on all songs..
[12:51] <knome> on a more serious note, it's likely not gmusicbrowser that is causing this issue... what happens if you play some sounds on some other software?
[12:51] <quantibility> yeah its fine, your right it is knome
[12:51] <quantibility> so
[12:51] <quantibility> is there a help channel for that?
[12:51] <knome> go to settings, then tab audio and select a difference output
[12:52] <knome> that might help, though the auto detected one should work
[12:52] <quantibility> hmm
[12:52] <quantibility> alright ill give that shot..
[12:53] <quantibility> ok, it give me and error and won't change back from the HDMI output to the laptop speakers
[12:53] <quantibility> anyway to change it manually?
[12:54] <quantibility> just keeps going back the hdmi
[12:54] <quantibility> hold on let me unplug hdmi
[12:55] <quantibility> unplugged and tried to changing it from hdmi to laptop speakers and still.. the same issue, it won't just change
[12:56] <knome> changing what where?
[12:57] <quantibility> From HDMI output to laptop speaker output
[12:57] <knome> where?
[12:57] <knome> volume control?
[12:58] <quantibility> yeah in volume control i swtiched from HDMI to bult-in audio... from the laptop speakers
[12:58] <knome> ok, let me rephrase... go to the
[12:58] <knome> *gmusicbrowser* settings
[12:59] <quantibility> yeah i did, but it took a few times of messing with it
[12:59] <quantibility> it works now
[12:59] <knome> ok
[12:59] <quantibility> from some reason going from built-in to hdmi causes the mess up
[13:02] <quantibility> wow, had this problem for a over a week.. thanks guys
[13:02] <knome> np
[13:07] <quantibility> dude, the auto detect option is the issue, i left it on pulse audio, it swtiches fine to HDMI
[13:07] <quantibility> weird
[18:18] <xubuntu10w> just installed xubuntu first time - tiny bit surprised to see no irc client included. anyone recommend native irc client? xchat?
[18:20] <ochosi> xubuntu10w: pidgin does an ok job
[18:21] <ochosi> that's why we dropped xchat
[18:21] <xubuntu10w> pidgin? isnt that IM?
[18:23] <pleia2> it does IRC as well
[18:24] <pleia2> can also look at hexchat (xchat isn't well maintained)
[18:28] <xubuntu10w> thanks: im going to try to connct using pidgin
[18:32] <xubuntu10w> test 1
[19:02] <chuckmcm> sigh, ok my Xfcedesktop process now has consumed 16GB of ram, *again* and so I'm rebooting. Is this a known issue?
[20:17] <ochosi> chuckmcm: you can also just kill xfdesktop and it should be restarted
[20:17] <ochosi> sounds like there's a huge leak
[20:17] <ochosi> note that xfdesktop only draws the wallpaper and icons on the desktop


[13:28] <mup> Bug #1880400 opened: [Feature Request] - Add "deployment scripts" to UI - Settings\Scripts \... <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880400>
[13:31] <mup> Bug #1880400 changed: [Feature Request] - Add "deployment scripts" to UI - Settings\Scripts \... <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880400>
[13:34] <mup> Bug #1880400 opened: [Feature Request] - Add "deployment scripts" to UI - Settings\Scripts \... <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880400>
[23:14] <mup> Bug #1880448 opened: [ui, feature] The UI should warn or prevent users from deploying if there is an issue with the rack controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880448>


[19:32] <Unit193> Logan: ...Any chance you can slip fonts-hack into wily?  New font package, not in there yet.
[21:39] <Logan> Unit193: if you ask the release team to provide a feature freeze exception ;)
[21:47] <Unit193> Dang, thought there was a 'new package' rule.  Thanks.
[22:32] <Logan> Unit193: yes, there is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#FeatureFreeze_for_new_packages :P
[23:15] <Unit193> Logan: Figured it was actually something like that, was worth a shot though!