[09:45] <duflu> ltinkl: Please check out the 3rd and 4th branches also required. We need at least three of them released at once ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1607240
[09:46] <ltinkl> duflu, got it, review?
[09:46] <duflu> ltinkl: Yes please. But I don't know the landing procedure for those projects
[09:47] <ltinkl> duflu, we can land them all together for sure
[09:51] <ltinkl> duflu, left a comment; 5 is imho too much for the maximum speed
[09:52] <duflu> ltinkl: That's not my concern. My concern is that the default sane speed of 1 will be too hard to find if the max is 5. So how about 3?
[09:52] <ltinkl> duflu, wfm
[09:53] <duflu> ltinkl: Or 2 to put the default in the middle :)
[09:53] <duflu> Although that's less important than providing people a usable range
[09:53] <ltinkl> 3 is fine imo
[09:54] <ltinkl> dang those sliders should have a value indicator, and/or input box for precise values
[09:54] <duflu> OK
[09:54] <duflu> Yeah, extra annoying if people want fractional values below 1.0
[09:54] <duflu> Or to find the default of 1.0 again
[09:55] <ltinkl> exactly
[09:55] <duflu> But not as annoying as the whole thing being unlabelled
[09:55] <ltinkl> bug report: "hey user, what's your scrolling speed?", "dunno, somewhere in the middle"
[09:55] <duflu> a gsettings command would work for bug reports
[09:56] <duflu> Or some command
[09:56] <ltinkl> yeah, if they have a terminal on their phone :)
[09:57] <duflu> ltinkl: You don't get the scrollbar unless you have peripherals attached
[09:57] <ltinkl> duflu, so, 3 as the max value?
[09:57] <duflu> ltinkl: Pushing now
[10:03] <ltinkl> duflu, thanks, tested and approved, but can't top approve :/
[10:04] <ltinkl> duflu, mterry when he comes online
[10:04] <duflu> ltinkl: OK, thanks. If anybody asks why scrolling is too fast/slow just tell them because one or more of those branches didn't land
[10:58] <ibrahim> will unity 8 be shipped in Yakkety as an alternative session ? or we will have to install it manually as in Xenial ??
[12:07] <jamesh> mardy: hi.  We're hoping to finally get silo 3 through, and I noticed you hadn't approved the online-accounts-api merge proposals.  Could you do that?
[12:07] <mardy> jamesh: oops, sure
[12:12] <mardy> jamesh: I'm short of teammates because of holidays, could you please approve mine?
[12:12] <mardy> jamesh: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/online-accounts-api/daemon-coverage/+merge/300593 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/online-accounts-api/timeout-1603706/+merge/300416
[12:12] <mardy> jamesh: I've approved yours
[12:59] <mterry> We had to delay the silo because of a last minute regression?
[14:28] <dandrader> mterry, with https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/greeter-mock-bg/+merge/302030 should makeTryWideView also change backgrounds? or just "make tryShell" is supposed to do so?
[14:30] <mterry> dandrader, tryWideView isn't hooked up to the whole system, it's very narrowly targeted at WideView.  It doesn't pull from AccountsService for example.  So you should see no changes there
[16:13] <sil2100> Saviq: hey! Could you get https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity-api/no-test-powerpc/+merge/301514 reviewed?
[16:14] <sil2100> I could approve it as I approve of the change as a workaround
[16:14] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you ↑
[16:26] <mzanetti> ack


[02:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> hey guys
[02:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> are we going to have a global jam?
[02:23] <Akiva-Thinkpad> :)
[02:54] <BobJonkman1> Hi Akiva-Thinkpad: I haven't seen any activity in any of the other chapters about a Global Jam.
[02:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BobJonkman1, sept 11 I think
[02:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> the community team did a recent post about it
[02:55] <BobJonkman1> I'm organizing something on 13 September in Toronto; it would usually be an Ubuntu Hour, but since it falls right on UGJ weekend I'm going to brand it on the LoCO portal as a Global Jam event
[02:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I'm in vancouver, so if I join you, someone will need to skype me through :P
[02:55] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah nice
[02:55] <BobJonkman1> Yup, I think UGJ is from 12-14 September, maybe 11-14 in some timezones :)
[02:56] <BobJonkman1> And the Waterloo Region chapter is having a big blowout Software Freedom Day event on 20 September, which is the same folks that would normally put on a Global Jam.
[02:56] <BobJonkman1> We're just too busy with SFD to do a UGJ this year
[02:56] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah nice
[02:57]  * Akiva-Thinkpad wonders if the vancouver loco will do anything
[02:57] <BobJonkman1> The Vancouver group is supposed to be pretty active, but I can't really tell since their Meetup.com page is closed
[02:58] <BobJonkman1> Start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Vancouver
[02:58] <BobJonkman1> But I don't know how well-maintained that page is
[03:00] <Akiva-Thinkpad> yah
[03:00] <BobJonkman1> Randall Ross is a big wheel in the Ubuntu Community, and the chapter leader for Ubuntu-Vancouver
[03:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> BobJonkman1, Does he hang out here?


[00:58] <JLye> You know what takes load of effort, time, and patience - mixing
[11:36] <Magomed-kei> hello everyone, i posted a comment on ubuntu studio 17.04 page about a fix for ardour crashing using calf plugins but it is not appearing, why is that? is there some confirmation process?
[20:40] <amr1> good evening ;-)
[20:44] <amr1> i have a problem with the program openshot


[10:28] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:50] <icey> ahoy
[12:34] <lazyPower> o/


[00:00] <foxbuntu> oh
[00:01] <tgm4883> well there goes 40min down the drain
[00:01] <foxbuntu> haha
[00:01] <tgm4883> oh well, i'll let it run.   Off to class
[00:12] <npurciful> agh
[00:13] <npurciful> this 5.1 sound problems is really gettin to me
[00:33] <tgm4883> so tgm4883_laptop this is what you do in class
[00:35] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[00:42] <npurciful> man, dd_rescue 'ing i have a 250mb log
[00:43] <npurciful> this dvd has issues
[02:08] <npurciful> im back
[04:57] <gumby600m> I'm running mythbunut (Frontend & backend on same computer).  How do I do something like ALT+TAB out of the front end?  I want to load up a console to do something quickly.
[04:59] <tgm4883> gumby600m, probably easiest way is to ctrl-alt-right arrow key to the next desktop
[05:00] <gumby600m> genius!  I can't believe I didn't think of that... Thx!
[05:36] <WcktKlwn> is there a solution that runs good on a laptop, but not a permanent thing? (runs of a flash drive or sd card or something similar)
[05:54] <foxxbuntu> WcktKlwn, you might check into VirtualBox or VMWare Server
[05:58] <rhpot1991> define solution
[06:00] <MythbuntuGuest39> Is there any reason why I shows that are being recordered arent showing in the Recordings Menu until finished?  Have both tuners locked recording and have nothing to watch
[06:00] <WcktKlwn> I basically want something that I can put into the computer easily and get a frontend that I can hook up to a tv.. and then when I am doing turn it back into a laptop
[06:00] <rhpot1991> you can run a frontend from the mythbuntu cd
[06:01] <WcktKlwn> the cd doesn't work on the laptop
[06:01] <WcktKlwn> stupid ati graphics card
[06:03] <rhpot1991> there is a windows player you can use, not sure you would get good enough playback from a VM, but its worth trying
[06:03] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest39: media library > watch recordings, is that where you are looking?
[06:05] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: were you the one who mentioned to me before that you were recording at dvd specs?
[06:05] <MythbuntuGuest39> Kindof, but not really...  I am unable to watch shows as they are being recorded.  For some strange reason they dont appear in the Recording Directory (MythTV Guide) until finished being recorded.  Is there an option I need to select?
[06:05] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, not sure what you mean
[06:05] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest39: check where I said, mine show up in there as they are recording and I can watch them while they are in progress
[06:06] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: recordings bitrate
[06:06] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, did you post in the forums as well?
[06:06] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: get what I am asking or nope?
[06:07] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, At one time I was...right now I am using the higest level in myth which I still think is but haven't checked
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest39> WchtKlwn, check into MS Vista or Media Center, has it built in. Other option, if running Windows is Beyond TV.  I personally LOVE MythTV, can setup a box for not a lot. New thing I am looking into is the Mini-ITX Motherboard/Case - can get them w/o having any fans (super quite).
[06:07] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, you are asking if I am transcoding with a dvd bitrate?
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest39> foxxbuntu, have not made any postings of this problem.
[06:08] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, oh, there is a forum post exactly about the same thing
[06:08] <rhpot1991> basically just asking what your bitrate and maxbitrate for recordings is
[06:08] <MythbuntuGuest39> was there a resolution?
[06:08] <rhpot1991> someone described themselves as using dvd specs there, I thought it was you or tgm4883
[06:08] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, I was actually getting reasdy to post a reply
[06:09] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, I actually stopped transcoding recently
[06:09] <MythbuntuGuest39> a solution/
[06:09] <foxxbuntu> and you only change the bitrate on transcoding
[06:09] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: hmmm, it lets me set bitrates of my recordings coming in from my hauppauge cards
[06:10] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, when the reocrding starts it should ask you if you want to watch the show while it records or cancel and watch live tv, or go back to the menu
[06:10] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, does it do that?
[06:10] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, where?
[06:10] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, I don'tm recall a setting for that
[06:11] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: setup > tv settings > recording profiles
[06:11] <rhpot1991> choose a profile, 3rd page in
[06:11] <MythbuntuGuest39> It will, dont really like that option cause if I dont select the channel changes... its BS Man and I am sick and tired of it.  Was watching the news this afternoon, my sons show on PBS came on...  I got stuck watching kids show today!
[06:12] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, oh ok...I was remembering this as trandcoding
[06:12] <foxxbuntu> yes...I had mine set much higher before I had to rebuild it
[06:12] <rhpot1991> see I doubled the original settings
[06:12] <foxxbuntu> I did as well
[06:13] <foxxbuntu> roughly
[06:13] <rhpot1991> but I found an old recording that is on the original settings, and that will play over my wifi on trunk but my 2x'd recordings skip there
[06:13] <foxxbuntu> ah
[06:13] <foxxbuntu> yeah that speed of video would be hard on wifi
[06:13] <rhpot1991> someone on here long ago told me dvd rate was something, and there was no point going above that
[06:13] <foxxbuntu> that makes the video more bandwitdh consuming
[06:14] <rhpot1991> soemthing with the trunk version of mythtv, it worked on the old one, and works over nfs
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest39> Think the Dlink DIR-655 could handle higher bandwidths?
[06:14] <foxxbuntu> well the video coming in over your cable is < DVD
[06:14] <rhpot1991> no doubt I have it way too large, so I'm trying to figure out a good setting
[06:15] <rhpot1991> yep, thats why it makes no sense to go above dvd
[06:15] <rhpot1991> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Recording_Parameters
[06:15] <rhpot1991> might try the bottom line there
[06:16] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest39: dunno, whats special about it?
[06:16] <WcktKlwn> does anyone know what: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[06:16] <WcktKlwn> means?
[06:16] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest39: My problem is cause I made my quality settings too high
[06:16] <rhpot1991> WcktKlwn: playing over wifi?
[06:16] <WcktKlwn> nope
[06:16] <WcktKlwn> localhost
[06:17] <rhpot1991> hmmmm strange, thats the kind of errors I get with my wifi problem
[06:17] <rhpot1991> check and see if your system is eating resources on anything
[06:17] <rhpot1991> is the video skipping while this is happening?
[06:17] <MythbuntuGuest39> That is the new Draft N router...  It is supposted to give streaming video priority on the network.  I recently aquired one for my Media MVP as I was losing packets on the Linksys.
[06:17] <WcktKlwn> video freezes
[06:18] <MythbuntuGuest39> losing packets = freezing or hangups
[06:18] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest39: it should be able to handle more than 802.11g, but you need a matching card to go with it
[06:18] <rhpot1991> WcktKlwn: check your system, do videos normally run fine?
[06:19] <MythbuntuGuest39> Im using wireless G, mainly got it as it is one of the only routers that is built specifically for Media Networks.
[06:19] <WcktKlwn> lately they've been freezing, and when I go into the log file it spams that message
[06:19] <rhpot1991> questionable as to if that stuff works with existing hardware sometimes
[06:20] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, I would say run your bitrates around 6500 and max 8000
[06:21] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: thats what this says, thanks
[06:22] <rhpot1991> gonna try that now, and let some stuff record tomorrow and see if it fixes the problem
[06:22] <foxxbuntu> cool
[06:22] <MythbuntuGuest39> Any ideas for my recording issue; does not appear in the "Recording" menu until the recording is finished?
[06:23] <rhpot1991> are you talking about the same recording menu that I pointed you at, or somewhere different?
[06:23] <MythbuntuGuest39> Also, there appears to be more recordings in the Recording Directory than what appears in the MythTV guide
[06:24] <rhpot1991> foxxbuntu: have any idea what the toggle video input key is?
[06:24] <foxxbuntu> Y
[06:24] <MythbuntuGuest39> The "Watch Recording" gui option.
[06:24] <rhpot1991> thats what I thought, not working here I wonder if it changed
[06:24] <foxxbuntu> rhpot1991, works on mine
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> it wont change if it thinks the other one is busy
[06:25] <rhpot1991> hmmm other encoder isn't busy
[06:25] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, they show up fine after the recording is finished but not while its recording?
[06:25] <MythbuntuGuest39> I did a fresh install last night.  Have only 4 shows appearing in the "Watch Recordings" with about 25 recordings in the MythTV/Recording directory
[06:26] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, do you watch livetv allot?
[06:27] <foxxbuntu> because there will be a recording for each show you watch on livetv, it will auto expire out in 24 hours
[06:27] <rhpot1991> I think what he wants to do is watch a recording that in progress
[06:27] <foxxbuntu> but the default view in "Watch Recordings" filters out the live recordings
[06:28] <MythbuntuGuest39> That would be correct, but now I am waiting for the recordings to appear that were made 1 1/2 hour ago.  Dont watch Live too often, but like to start a show while it is being recorded..
[06:28] <foxxbuntu> ok
[06:28] <rhpot1991> did all those recordings happen after your fresh install?
[06:28] <foxxbuntu> do they eventually show up?
[06:28] <rhpot1991> or are they from before
[06:29] <MythbuntuGuest39> There is no auto-expire going on here.  Recorded show does not appear in the "Watch Recording" while it is being recorded.  Had 2 tuners busy recording earlier but couldnt see the recording in the menu.
[06:29] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, im not sure I totaly have this clear yet so let me ask you another question
[06:30] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, You know the tuners are recording, and the shows when completed recording always show up in recorded programs?
[06:30] <foxxbuntu> or only a few did and the rest never did?
[06:30] <WcktKlwn> foxxbuntu, what it sounds like to me, is he was recording two shows, and he wanted to tune into one while it was still recording
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest39> That is correct WcktKlwn; but cannot locate the shows now...
[06:31] <foxxbuntu> agreed, but im not clear on if the other shows ever showed up
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest39> Now could I while they were being recorded.
[06:32] <MythbuntuGuest39> I had a scheduled recording at 6pm that showed up.
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest39> Now, I just started watching LIVE TV and turned on the recorder and it is appearing in the Watch Recording menu.
[06:33] <foxxbuntu> MythbuntuGuest39, correct
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest39> This is REALLY screwy...  Both tuners were recording shows and I um unable to view them now.
[06:34] <rhpot1991> I've never heard of that happening, did you have any jobs scheduled on the recordings or anything?
[06:34] <MythbuntuGuest39> ***Shows were set to automatically record.
[06:34] <rhpot1991> jobs like transcoding or anything
[06:34] <MythbuntuGuest39> Standard Commercial Skips is all... Never been a problem before.
[06:35] <MythbuntuGuest39> Have "Aciod conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows" checked
[06:36] <MythbuntuGuest39> ~Commercial Flag New Recordings with "strict Commercial Detection"
[06:39] <MythbuntuGuest39> Just checked the SYSTEM STATUS; there are 6 shows waiting in the Job Que (recordings made 4 hours ago)
[06:40] <MythbuntuGuest39> I did restart the Mythbox and that did not help
[06:42] <rhpot1991> MythbuntuGuest39: by default it will only do one at a time
[06:42] <MythbuntuGuest39> 5 of the 6 "jobs" are complete but the shows are not appearing in recorded shows.
[06:42] <rhpot1991> till its done
[06:43] <MythbuntuGuest39> So I need to wait for ALL jobs to be complete before the shows will finalize?  have 7pm,8pm,9pm,10pm,10pm
[06:44] <rhpot1991> well the ones that are done should be ready
[06:44] <rhpot1991> are you commflagging when they end, or while they record?
[06:44] <MythbuntuGuest39> They are complete, but still in the Job Que directory.
[06:44] <rhpot1991> they will sit there
[06:44] <rhpot1991> even if they are complete
[06:44] <rhpot1991> nothing wrong there
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest39> Then why cant I watch them?  These shows are not in the Watch Recording directory.
[06:45] <MythbuntuGuest39> commflagging while show records...
[06:49] <MythbuntuGuest39> THERE are 23 shows I have recorded today and only 4 are in the Directory for me to watch... What is going on here.
[06:50] <MythbuntuGuest39> These shows are appearing in the AUTO EXPIRE list.
[06:52] <MythbuntuGuest39> anyone have a solution to this?
[06:52] <rhpot1991> is your HD full?
[06:55] <MythbuntuGuest39> no, have about 138GB free
[06:56] <MythbuntuGuest39> I found a tread where someone mentioned it may be a MySql issue?
[06:56] <rhpot1991> go to your recordings
[06:56] <rhpot1991> and bring up the menu
[06:57] <rhpot1991> and choose select group filter
[06:57] <rhpot1991> choose default
[06:58] <MythbuntuGuest39> THANK YOU rhpot1991...  Had it set to Live by mistake.
[07:00] <rhpot1991> sure no problem
[08:09] <Daviey> Solar__: Having fun?
[08:57] <Rigolo> good morning
[08:58] <Rigolo> any change there will also be a 0.21 weekly build setup?
[08:58] <Rigolo> now that the preperations for 8.04 are underway it might help with finding bugs
[10:58] <Rigolo> 8.04 alpha 2 cd install "crashes" after step 14 (standard install)
[10:59] <Rigolo> going to try to remove any partitions on the HDD (complete clean install then) and not selecting nvidia drivers for X
[11:07] <Rigolo> selecting standard drivers allows me to go to next step, selecting Nvidia GF 5+ causes a crash
[11:08] <Rigolo> so is this an mythbuntu bug? or ubuntu ubiquity bug?
[13:46] <Rigolo> anybody else having problems with DVB and 8.04 alpha 2?
[13:47] <Rigolo> I can watch dvb using XINE (when I stop mythbackend) and it looks good, but with backend running and using frontend on the same machine I can not get a lock
[13:47] <Rigolo> this with the default 8.04 alpha 2 DVB drivers
[13:55] <Rigolo> also czap is getting a lock ... so it looks like something is wrong with mythtv and dvb support in alpha 2
[14:19] <Tuv0k> mythexport: Depends: atomicparsley  but it is not installable
[14:56] <superm1> Tuv0k, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=atomic
[15:09] <Tuv0k> ty
[15:09] <Tuv0k> later
[15:12] <Tuv0k> installed! thats hot!
[15:12]  * Tuv0k job hunting:/
[15:28] <rhpot1991_laptop> Tuv0k: let me know how mythexport works out for you
[15:33] <surlyjake> how can you get the themes included in mythubuntu on a myth installation made on a normal ubuntu install?
[15:34] <rhpot1991_laptop> surlyjake: are you asking how to install the themes?
[15:35] <superm1> Rigolo, that
[15:35] <superm1> 's likely a bug
[15:35] <superm1> can you please submit the bug report via the apport service?
[15:38] <surlyjake> rhpot: im pretty sure i can google how to install the themes, but i'm wondering if they were excluded from the ubuntu package for a reason
[15:44] <rhpot1991_laptop> certain themes didn't have proper licenses and couldn't be included I believe
[15:56] <surlyjake> cool. thanks rhpot. 1 mystery solved.
[16:01] <surlyjake> i have another: at seemingly random intervals, when i select an avi to play, the screen will only display green, and some red lines. audio will come through normally though. same behavior if i exit the myth interface and launch them in vlc, mplayer..... a restart of X or logout/login fixes the issue
[16:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> sounds like a graphics driver issue or codec issue
[16:02] <rhpot1991_laptop> do recordings play fine?
[16:03] <surlyjake> i don't have recordings... no tuner card... just use it as a pretty front end for my library of tvshows
[16:03] <directhex|work> nvidia 100.x bug
[16:09] <surlyjake> what's the quickest way to find out what nvidia version i'm running? i cant launch the nvidia-settings menu because i'm connected remotely via NX, and the driver isn't being used
[16:10] <directhex|work> surlyjake, what's your card?
[16:10] <directhex|work> surlyjake, generally, "dpkg -l nvidia-glx\* | grep ^ii"
[16:11] <surlyjake> 7800gt
[16:11] <directhex|work> 100.14.19
[16:11] <directhex|work> at a guess
[16:12] <surlyjake> yep. thats it. +<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10
[16:13] <surlyjake> so it's an nvidia bug huh?
[16:13] <directhex|work> yeah. known bug in 100.x drivers
[16:15] <hugolp> surlyjake:  the new nvidia driver solves that, but introduces a new bug that causes the computer to reboot randomly when opengl is used
[16:15] <hugolp> so its your choice on wich bug you prefer
[16:15] <surlyjake> thats great! >:o
[16:15] <directhex|work> hugolp, never seen that
[16:17] <hugolp> directhex|work:  Im not the only one reporting it
[16:17] <hugolp> it happens in Debian as well
[16:17] <hugolp> it doesnt reboot the computer on all systems, sometimes it just closes the X sesions when OpenGL is used
[16:18] <hugolp> once that is trigered you have to reinstall the drivers to solve it
[16:19] <surlyjake> lol. well, i'd like to have a green screen and have control of my system... instead of risking losing other work that i'm doing
[16:19] <directhex|work> i've never seen the problems hugolp describes on any of my systems. not to say they don't exist
[16:20] <directhex|work> there might be some other cifference not being mentioned, e.g. it happens on i386
[16:20] <surlyjake> to upgrade drivers, i would need to compile them myself?
[16:20] <directhex|work> it's closed source and binary
[16:20] <hugolp> surlyjake:  no, Nvida provides an installer
[16:21] <directhex|work> my recommendation would be to use alberto milone's envry scripts. others present would strongly disrecommend that, and recommend instead you use nvidia's /usr-eating installer
[16:21] <hugolp> directhex|work:  yes, Im using i386, no amd64
[16:27] <surlyjake> thanks @ hugolp&directhex|work
[16:55] <Rigolo> superm1: apport does not allow me to submit a bug report. it says something about a special version of the ubuquity package being used or something and that I need to install ubiquity :-)
[16:56] <Rigolo> I raised a bug with number [Bug 193950] [NEW] 8.04 alpha 2 Installer crashes when selectingNvidia GeForce 5+ drivers
[16:56] <Rigolo> and my DVB-C is still not working ... ggrrr
[16:56] <Rigolo> but .. now I have to cook dinner ... be back in 1.5 hours or so
[17:33] <mick_laptop> anyone else have problems with thumbnails?
[17:33] <mick_laptop> i can't seem to get any from IMDB
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> are you getting any info from imdb?
[17:35] <mick_laptop> nope
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> any errors?
[17:35] <mick_laptop> doesn't look like it
[17:35] <mick_laptop> not at all
[17:35] <tgm4883_laptop> have you checked the log files?
[17:35] <mick_laptop> i just ripped a DVD -- pretty popular one -- and i'd think that the info would come
[17:35] <mick_laptop> nope - will do
[17:36]  * Rigolo asks: anybody else running alpha 2 with dvb?
[17:37] <tgm4883_laptop> Rigolo, kinda
[17:37] <tgm4883_laptop> i have a pchd5500 in my test machine
[17:37] <Rigolo> I can not get my FTA channels to display ... they work "fine" with XINE
[17:37] <mick_laptop> tgm4883_laptop: is there saomething taht i should be looking for? grep -i IMDB ?
[17:38] <tgm4883_laptop> FTA?
[17:38] <Rigolo> meaning ... I can watch it ... but I will have to disable audio (no sound in this server)
[17:38] <Rigolo> Free To Air .. as in Non encrypted
[17:38] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[17:38] <tgm4883_laptop> OTA
[17:38] <mick_laptop> just said "failed to fetch program info"
[17:38] <Rigolo> OTA can also be encrypted .. at least here in holland with DVB-T
[17:39] <Rigolo> I'm using DVB-C .. and there are 6 non encrypted channels on my cable
[17:39] <mick_laptop> hmm, i'm getting 500 internal server errors w/ the schedules direct stuff too *sigh*
[17:39] <Rigolo> (and around 120 or so encrypted .. but first get FTA working)
[17:39] <mick_laptop> i wish that my dvd rip would go a bit faster
[17:39] <directhex> imdb broke. you need imdb.pl from trunk
[17:39] <tgm4883_laptop> mick_laptop, can you accesss the insternet from that machine?
[17:40] <mick_laptop> tgm4883_laptop: yes
[17:40] <mick_laptop> directhex: ok thanks
[17:43] <mick_laptop> any other issues that i should know about?
[17:43] <mick_laptop> :)
[17:50] <mick_laptop> directhex you seem to know about most of the stumbling blocks -- anything else you'd like to share? :)
[17:50] <directhex> sure. don't eat yellow snow, and back pain begins in your 20s so take care of it
[17:51] <Rigolo> well .. yellow snow can be fine .. as you long as you are sure somebody really just squized an orange about that spot :-)
[18:00] <MythbuntuGuest27> hi all
[18:02] <MythbuntuGuest27> just did a trunk update, now shows on Mythweb: Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=40, backend=38). how do i fix? thanks
[18:03] <MythbuntuGuest27> never mind, user error
[18:09] <Rigolo> always handy when people answer their own questions :-)
[18:13] <Rigolo> is there a log for mythfilldatabase? ... it have the feeling it also does not work in alpha 2
[18:14] <tgm4883_laptop> well theres a  backend log
[18:15] <Rigolo> yes, but it just quickly saw something in the terminal screen flash by with MY_MYTH_PROTCOL or something and miss match or something like that
[18:26] <Nikas> What command to use for exit and shutdown from frontend?
[18:26] <Rigolo> question ... can i run the 0.21 branch that is used on 8.04 also on 7.10? or impossible because of dependicies?
[18:26] <tgm4883_laptop> Rigolo, you can run trunk
[18:26] <tgm4883_laptop> so yes
[18:26] <Rigolo> no, trunk is not 0.21 ... trunk is trunk
[18:26] <tgm4883_laptop> Nikas, from command line?  sudo shutdown -h now
[18:27]  * tgm4883_laptop sighs
[18:27] <Nikas> tgm4883_laptop: No, from the frontend.
[18:27] <tgm4883_laptop> I should have been more clear
[18:27] <tgm4883_laptop> Rigolo, http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[18:27] <Nikas> from command line i know how.. :)
[18:28] <tgm4883_laptop> Nikas, AFAIK IDK
[18:28] <Nikas> i'll try sudo shutdown -h now :)
[18:29] <Rigolo> tgm4883_laptop: those builds are for trunk ... 8.04 alpha is using 0.21-fixes ... so no new functions as in trunk
[18:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> Nikas: you can try sudo halt
[18:30] <rhpot1991_laptop> thats what I normally use
[18:30] <Nikas> sudo halt does not work..
[18:30] <tgm4883_laptop> Rigolo, while what it says, you would be correct.  However, IIRC, in this case trunk follows .21
[18:30] <tgm4883_laptop> I will check though
[18:31] <Nikas> sudo shutdown -h now dont work..
[18:32] <rhpot1991_laptop> I recall you aren't supposed to put sudo in the backend, are just supposed to use halt and chmod it to be executable by your user, you would be best to look around for more info though as that may be a security problem and might be out of date
[18:33] <Nikas> It's for a frontend only-machine... hm i will try this: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2007-February/170578.html
[18:38] <directhex> trunk and 0.21 are the same for now
[18:39] <Rigolo> directhex: okee ... for how long?
[18:40] <Rigolo> I also had problems with DVB-C with 7.10 and weekly trunk builds ... so that is why I decided to try alpha 2
[18:40] <directhex> Rigolo, a few weeks. by then i'm sure the 0.20.2 auto-builds will be dumped
[18:40] <Rigolo> mmm that might cause some problems for people using that ....
[18:47] <Nikas> yes.. it worked..
[19:11] <npurciful> whats goin on today
[19:15] <Rigolo> dvb-c hell in alpha 2 :-)
[19:16] <Rigolo> I can watch dvb-c in xine ... but not in mythtv ... can not get a lock
[19:18] <npurciful> hum
[19:19] <npurciful> dont know havent got a dvb-c card
[19:20] <Rigolo> importing a working channels.conf also did weird things .. strange frequencies were used
[19:20] <Rigolo> transports ID's were messed up (we have multiple network ID here on the cable)
[19:20] <Rigolo> so .. not nice
[19:20] <Rigolo> I got 4 :-)
[19:21] <npurciful> heh
[19:22] <npurciful> i am about to have 4tuners
[19:22] <npurciful> i only got like 5 stations though
[19:22] <Rigolo> we got over 200 services (tv and radio) via DVB-C .. most of it encrypted
[19:23] <Rigolo> only 6 FTA channels .. and even those I can not get to work
[19:23] <Rigolo> (I will leave the encrypted aside for the moment)
[19:23] <npurciful> yeah, that is probably besty
[19:23] <npurciful> besty = best
[19:24] <Rigolo> although I had those also working in 7.10 and 0.20.2 ... at least .. those that my valid and paid for smartcard was authorized for
[19:25] <Rigolo> and then I wanted multirec :-)
[19:25] <npurciful> yeah, it is nice
[19:26] <Rigolo> well ... not when you can not get a lock :-)
[19:28]  * Rigolo is going to take a short break now .... otherwise I will be trown out by my girlfriend :-)
[19:31] <npurciful> Rigolo:  http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4138
[19:35] <npurciful> well i have to go back to work
[19:46] <mick_laptop> how do i enable mythstream?
[19:46] <mick_laptop> it seems to be installed, just not showing up
[19:47] <hugolp> anyone using mythtv-frontend and compiz?
[19:47] <hugolp> and gnome
[19:48] <mick_laptop> hugolp: i'm installing it now
[19:50] <hugolp> well, I allways have this problem that the top and bottom gnome bars get on top of mythtv-frontend
[19:50] <mick_laptop> seems it hates my driver for X
[19:51] <hugolp> mick_laptop:  whats your graphics card?
[19:53] <mick_laptop> one sec
[19:55] <mick_laptop> hugolp: ATI Radeon Xpress 200 hostbridge (rev 01)
[19:55] <mick_laptop> according to lspci
[19:55] <hugolp> ATI....
[19:56] <mick_laptop> my thoughts exactly
[20:05] <mick_laptop> anyone get mythstream working? i'm really getting annoyed :(
[21:29] <Rigolo> npurciful: the ticket you were refering me to (4138) was closed with the "fixed in trunk" remark 3 weeks ago. Then it should not happen in alpha 2 i would guess. but still it does
[21:32] <Rigolo> alpha 2 is using (after a full update) 0.21.0-fixes16174-0ubuntu1
[21:33] <npurciful> did you search for other ticket
[21:37] <Rigolo> doing that at the moment
[21:41] <Rigolo> ticket 4163 looks like the same problem
[21:42] <Rigolo> I will first clear all cards, inputs, channels etc from my setup
[21:42] <Rigolo> then I will import a working channels.conf
[21:43] <Rigolo> and then I will have a look at the results in channel and dvt_multiplex
[21:45] <npurciful> yeah, try that
[21:47] <npurciful> Rigolo: clear all inputs and stuff exit out and mythfilldatabase then import
[21:50] <Rigolo> okee ... just removed everything
[21:50] <Rigolo> I was using EIT as a video source .. so mythfilldatabase does not do anything as far as I can see
[21:51] <Rigolo> delete all transports, channels, video sources, cards everything
[21:52] <Rigolo> clicked on OK on the "Do you want to run mythfilldatabase" window
[21:52] <Rigolo> it was only deleting some temp files it looked
[21:52] <Rigolo> no running mythsetup again
[21:53] <Rigolo> just checkd if my channels.conf is working with XINE .. and it is
[21:56] <Rigolo> just for reference: initial tuning file used: http://rigolo.googlepages.com/nl-Home-Zwolle.txt
[21:57] <Rigolo> created a FTA only channel.conf with the scan utility ( scan -x 0 nl-Home-Zwolle.txt)
[21:58] <Rigolo> removed the data streams for firmwareupdates for "approved" dvb-c decoders
[21:58] <Rigolo> created the following channels.conf.fta
[21:58] <Rigolo> http://rigolo.googlepages.com/channels.conf.fta
[22:00] <Rigolo> mplayer dvb://"Nederland 1" -nosound  gives a nice picture
[22:00] <Rigolo> ( the -nosound is needed because there is no sound card in the backend machine)
[22:02] <Rigolo> mplayer dvb playing works on all the 4 cards .. so that is also verified
[22:04] <Rigolo> setup only dvb0 as capture card
[22:05] <Rigolo> used EIT as video source
[22:06] <Rigolo> linked dvb0 and eit in input connections .. only allow unencrypted channels, do not allow audio only then select scan for channels
[22:06] <Rigolo> scan type: Import channels.conf
[22:07] <Rigolo> channel separator to none
[22:08] <Rigolo> Existing Channel Treatment: Delete
[22:08] <Rigolo> scan process is runnning now
[22:08] <Rigolo> finished
[22:09] <Rigolo> set the starting channel to 10001 (which is Nederland 1)
[22:09] <Rigolo> leave input group as generic
[22:10] <Rigolo> 6 channels in Channels (as expected)
[22:11] <Rigolo> I have 4 transports without a netid and transport id in the transport list and then 24 transports with netid 1000 and transport ID's
[22:12] <Rigolo> this last part is not correct, because I am in netid 9003 and not 1000
[22:12] <Rigolo> there is no place to tell what netid you are in
[22:13] <Rigolo> so the transport streams with a netid and transport id are pointing to incorrect frequencies (those of netid 1000 instead of 9003)
[22:13] <npurciful> yeah, look up info
[22:14] <Rigolo> what do you mean?
[22:17] <Rigolo> by looking at the channel table you can see that the channels are linked to the netid 1000 transports instead of the correct transport (Without netid)
[22:18] <Rigolo> the frequencies etc of the transports are set correctly, so that is not the problem
[22:19] <npurciful> i dont know if editing the mythdb to change the netid would work
[22:19] <npurciful> but the netid can be found in dtv_multiplex
[22:20] <npurciful> table
[22:20] <Rigolo> no, because netid 1000 had it's transports on different frequencies than in 9003
[22:20] <Rigolo> but I can update channel to point to the correct mplexid
[22:20] <Rigolo> becuase the correct transports are in the dtv_multiplex table
[22:20] <Rigolo> I will just have to find the correct mplexid first
[22:21] <npurciful> goodluck i have to leave for 10-15min
[22:22]  * npurciful got get food
[22:22] <npurciful> 4:18 here and havent at launch
[22:22] <npurciful> at = ate
[22:22] <Rigolo> :-)
[22:23] <Rigolo> there is brunch for a meal between breakfast and lunch .. but what do you call a meal between lunch and dinner?
[22:23] <Rigolo> lunner? dinch?
[22:25] <npurciful> i am going to go with dinch
[22:26] <Rigolo> just updated the channel table
[22:26] <directhex> Rigolo, tea
[22:26] <directhex> Rigolo, typically, "teatime" is when the kids eat, at ~6pm. "dinnertime" is when the adults eat, at ~8pm
[22:27] <Rigolo> directhex: well ... that sounds like he is going to have just some cookies :-)
[22:28] <Rigolo> directhex: when tea is at 6pm .. then between lunch (~12am) and tea (~6pm) should then be a tench? tunch? lea?
[22:28] <directhex> Rigolo, "stop being a greedy fast bastard" o'clock
[22:29] <Rigolo> :-)
[22:29] <Rigolo> btw ... editing the channel table helped ....:-)
[22:29] <Rigolo> watching Nederland 1 now
[22:30] <Rigolo> lets do some zapping :-)
[22:32] <Rigolo> zapping works ... but it is still a bit slow .... but what else is new :-)
[22:33] <Rigolo> so how do we solve this now .... writing a sql training course for mythtv is probably not the right answer
[22:46] <npurciful> alright im back
[22:46] <Rigolo> trac ticket #3640 has the best description what is happening
[22:47] <Rigolo> there is also a patch from klaas de waal (comment 33) that is doing exactly what I proposed: let the user enter a network id when scanning
[22:48] <Rigolo> this "bug" is a major issue for the usablilty of mythtv with dvb-c at least here in the netherlands
[22:49] <Rigolo> by using a dvb-c card with a CI and a alphacrypt CAM you can also watch the encrypted channels with mythtv if you want
[22:50] <Rigolo> (and then there is also an other option by using a softcam and an official card in a cardreader ... just like the dreambox dvb-c receivers are doing it)
[22:50] <directhex> softcams aren't supported, ever
[22:51] <Rigolo> I know .. that is why i put it in brackets
[22:51] <directhex> and if your cable provider is sending invalid network ids, are you *supposed* to be using unofficial kit? does your cable contract allow you to use your own equipment?
[22:52] <Rigolo> yes it does .... and they are even telling you what network id you really need because when you use an official decoder you need to enter that network id together with a initial frequency into your setup box before it starts scanning
[22:52] <directhex> hm, interesting
[22:53] <directhex> this is a regression since 0.20.2?
[22:53] <Rigolo> well, I was able to import a channels.conf in 0.20.2 ( think .. this was mythbuntu 7.10 standard) and then I had no issues
[22:54] <Rigolo> I could try to install 7.10 default and have a look there ... will only take max 1 hour to go through the whole setup
[22:54] <Rigolo> but that will then have to wait until tom. morning
[22:55] <Rigolo> almost midnight ......
[22:55]  * Rigolo is wondering what the correct term would be for a midnight snack .. you know ... between dinner and breakfast :-)
[22:55] <directhex> "midnight snack"
[22:55] <Rigolo> LOL
[22:56] <npurciful> that is the 4th meal
[22:56] <npurciful> between dinner and breakfast
[22:56] <npurciful> or at least at taco bell
[22:56] <Rigolo> I do not think we have a taco bell here in hollan
[22:56] <directhex> the uk is devoid of taco bell
[22:56] <directhex> thank god
[22:56] <Rigolo> KFC is just moving in ...
[22:57] <directhex> i mean, i pray for the day a taco isn't a 25 mile drive each way, but taco bell is not food
[22:57] <directhex> iirc taco bell and pizza hut are the same company
[22:57] <npurciful> taco bell and kfc are owned by the same company
[22:57] <directhex> and kfc, no less
[22:57] <Rigolo> Subways was in my city .. but when belly up ... it is not doing so well here
[22:57] <directhex> http://www.yum.com/
[22:58] <npurciful> hehe
[22:58] <directhex> bah, http://www.yum.com/about/brands.asp
[22:58] <Rigolo> the brands yes, the shops are mostly franchises
[22:58] <npurciful> Yum! Brands Restaurant Support Center, 1900 Colonel Sanders Lane, Louisville, KY
[22:59] <Rigolo> my definition of a city is that should be at least 1 McD :-) .. but now that they even put McDrives in the middle of nowhere along some provicial road that needs rethinking :-)
[23:00] <Rigolo> but ... 0.20.2 is now the default mythtv in mythbuntu 7.10 right?
[23:00] <npurciful> ahh, but one on wants to be the first to build
[23:00] <directhex> even this town has a mcdonalds
[23:01] <npurciful> that is were big company come in at the pay the most and the other shops and restraunt play less to build around the big company
[23:02] <Rigolo> or one big franchise firm buys a big lot and put all there brands there in one go. same cluster of Fast Food restaurants all over the place
[23:05] <Rigolo> in the morning I will do a fresh install of Mythbuntu 7.10 .... import my channels.conf.fta .. and have a look
[23:10] <Rigolo> npurciful: and your back ... at least .. from my perspective :-)
[23:10] <Rigolo> if I look at ticket 3640 this also happens in 0.20.2 ... but I'm sure I had no problems with my pre trunk autobuild setup ....
[23:11] <Rigolo> (so before I switched to the trunk autobuilds)
[23:11] <Rigolo> why is mythtv doing it's own scanning when you import a channels.conf btw?
[23:19]  * Rigolo going to bed .... who knows untl tom evening.


[00:04] <jdeslip> Ubuntu-Server boots so fast.  I think it is literally 2 seconds after my bios...
[00:04] <jdeslip> RHEL used to take like 2 minutes
[00:06] <jdeslip> I guess when you get rid of X, you can boot real fast :)
[00:07] <akk> X doesn't take that long, but gnome does.
[00:07] <akk> I'd love to get that 2-second boot, though! 10 sec is about the fastest I've heard of.
[00:12] <jdeslip> For server even?
[00:12] <jdeslip> It is crazy fast for server
[00:12] <jdeslip> BIOS takes way longer than Ubuntu :)
[00:14] <akk> BIOSes are amazingly slow, some of them.
[00:15] <jdeslip> ya, that is true - particularly on the MoBo's for build-it-yourself computers
[00:19] <seidos> here is an ant simulator that's available in linux that isn't in the repositories.  http://www.not-equal.eu/myrmedrome/main_en.html
[00:19] <seidos> oh, and hello, pardon my manners
[00:20] <pleia2> haha, awesome
[00:20] <seidos> apparently ants separate their cemeteries and nurseries
[00:21] <seidos> hmmm, maybe i should send it to the mailing list
[00:21] <seidos> i'm not sure if it's worthy of spamming a mailbox, but then considering the general boring stuff i get in my box...
[00:28] <jdeslip> Did you create this?
[00:30] <seidos> jdeslip, i wish
[00:31] <seidos> i'm really not good at learning languages, programming included.  probably because i just don't find myself "talking" to my computer much.
[00:33] <seidos> probably because i don't really need my computer to do anything that it can't already do, and i've already programmed a couple tiny programs...
[00:35] <jdeslip> Ya, I slowly got into programming for my desktop when I developed very specific needs :)
[00:36]  * seidos has a conversation with his computer
[00:37] <seidos> that would be a cool title for a novel "My Conversation with a Computer" or something
[00:37] <akk> I wish I could adjust my wants so my computer already did all of them. :)
[00:37] <seidos> well, it kind of already happened in Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, i really need to finish that book
[00:37] <seidos> akk, what is it that you want?
[00:38] <seidos> well, that you're computer can't provide, obviously
[00:38] <akk> seidos: I guess I could send you to my software page for a long list of the things I've (partially) added already ... more stuff all the time.
[00:38] <seidos> i'd love to program my computer to give me some food, but, i don't think that's going to happen :P
[00:38] <seidos> akk, you would have to, i don't remember your website url
[00:39] <akk> E.g. just yesterday I was writing an article and got tired of having to fix all the < to < and so forth when I pasted code samples
[00:39] <akk> and ended up having to write that in elisp because emacs doesn't seem to have a way to do it already.
[00:39] <akk> seidos: http://shallowsky.com/software/
[00:40] <seidos> that is interesting, i just thought about "knows" and memory...
[00:40] <seidos> knowing appears to be more involved than just memory, because if there is no capability for feeling...
[00:41] <seidos> then do you really know it?
[00:41] <seidos> just thinking about this analogy idea i had...
[00:45] <DarkwingDuck> nuboon2age_: ping
[00:45] <nuboon2age_> yo DarkwingDuck
[00:50] <DarkwingDuck> nuboon2age_: care for a PM?
[00:54] <nuboon2age_> DarkwingDuck: unfortunately i'm in a hurry at the moment but can try and catch up another time
[00:54] <DarkwingDuck> nuboon2age_: roger
[00:55] <nuboon2age_> ty DarkwingDuck
[03:52] <dragon> I'm helping someone remotely to fix a system without kernel. How do I go about doing that?
[03:54] <akk> Without any kernel at all, they'll have to boot into a live cd or rescue disk.
[03:54] <akk> But how did they manage to not have a kernel?
[03:57] <dragon> akk: I removed the -server packages and installed ubuntu-desktop. I was never warned that the system was going into an unusable state.
[03:58] <dragon> akk: they're booted into a liveCD and awaiting my instructions while trying to make the box accessible to me via SSH.
[03:58] <akk> What does it say when it boots? Why do you say there's no kernel there?
[03:59] <akk> If they're in a live CD, they can mount the real filesystem and look at /boot
[03:59] <akk> and see if there are in fact any kernels there.
[03:59] <dragon> 1. There's no other option than memtest
[03:59] <akk> Maybe grub is just pointing to the wrong one.
[03:59] <dragon> 2. /boot doesn't contain vmlinuz..., initrd... etc.
[03:59] <akk> Wow, ubuntu-server must cover everything.
[04:00] <akk> How about copying over whatever kernel the livecd has on its /boot?
[04:00] <akk> (assuming there is one there)
[04:00] <dragon> oh also, there was no package called ubuntu-server.
[04:00] <dragon> LiveCD certainly has a kernel, but I'm unsure about what files to copy. Looking for an authoritative list.
[04:01] <akk> vmlinuz-... and initrd-...
[04:01] <akk> the other stuff in /boot (system.map, abi, config, vmcoreinfo etc.) aren't needed to boot.
[04:02] <akk> so you'll need the vmlinuz and initrd, then you'll need to add a grub entry
[04:05] <dragon> akk: got it. What'd be an easy way to add the grub entry? sudo update-grub isn't working as expected.
[04:06] <dragon> akk: please hilight me if possible
[04:07] <akk> It's really easy with grub1. A lot harder with grub2 since it expects to be run only from the installed system. :(
[04:10] <akk> dragon: They can probably edit (on the /boot corresponding to the installed system, not the live CD) /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[04:12] <akk> and add a section that looks like this (with the name of their real kernel, if it's not 25-generic): http://paste.ubuntu.com/535440/
[04:13] <akk> and with the root set to an appropriate partition, not (hd0,5) and the right UUID
[04:17] <dragon1> akk: yes, I'll attempt that as soon as I get the SSH access.
[04:19] <dragon> akk: it appears that LiveCD's /boot doesn't have those files.
[04:22] <akk> liveCDs do have network drivers, though, so I'm sure you can find one to download (maybe the appropriate kernel package .deb).
[04:30] <akk> It might also conceivably work to mount the real /boot over whatever is mounted from the CD, then install kernel packages and update grub (though not sure if the livecd has the appropriate grub files in /etc, might have to install/reinstall grub2 too).
[04:30] <akk> install as in apt-get
[04:33] <dragon> akk: that sounds like something I'd have to do myself, rather than sending the instructions
[04:33] <dragon> I guess they're done for the evening.
[04:33] <dragon> I wish apt-get had warned me about removing the last kernel.
[04:33] <dragon> and I'm positive I installed ubuntu-desktop package. That missed out the kernels?
[04:34] <akk> You should probably figure out which package it was you removed, so you won't do that again.
[04:34] <akk> ubuntu-desktop is desktop stuff -- X, gnome, etc.
[04:35] <akk> And it's just a meta-package -- it's one of the first things that gets removed from my systems (because I remove some things it insists on).
[04:36] <dragon> interesting. ubuntu-desktop recommends linux-headers-generic, but doesn't depend on it.
[04:36] <akk> aptitude show ubuntu-desktop | grep linux shows only linux-headers-generic, no actual kernel packages.
[04:36] <dragon> So you can have ubuntu-desktop running on your system without a kernel!
[04:37] <akk> Oh, you're right, even that is a recommendation.
[04:37] <akk> linux-headers isn't the kernel.
[04:37] <akk> linux-image is the kernel.
[04:37] <dragon> so it depends on the headers, not the actual kernel.
[04:38] <dragon> I'm starting to feel like I'm getting into trouble for recommending Ubuntu.
[04:39] <akk> If you're recommending ubuntu to a newbie who isn't near you, then telling them to remove random large package sets without testing that first
[04:39] <akk> then yeah, you'll probably get into trouble.
[04:40] <akk> I'm all for experimenting and removing stuff, do it all the time ... but not on my mom's machine just before I leave to come back home. :)
[04:41] <dragon> guess so.
[04:47] <crashsystems> Anyone in here have a thinkpad x201?
[04:48] <akk> o/
[04:53] <akk> Why? I quite like mine.
[04:53] <crashsystems> I'm thinking about an x201 for my next laptop
[04:54] <crashsystems> so you have an x201 akk?
[04:54] <akk> Yes -- sorry, o/ means someone raising their hand.
[04:55] <akk> One of those silly IRC shorthands we get used to and forget people might not know.
[04:55] <crashsystems> how is the intel gpu you running for you on 10.10?
[04:55] <akk> I'm not running 10.10, sorry, just 10.04.
[04:55] <crashsystems> ok, in 10.04 then.
[04:55] <akk> It works great on 10.04 -- it's a studly google earth machine.
[04:55] <akk> (I'm not a gamer, so google earth is my ultimate test of 3d)
[04:56] <crashsystems> does it have an hdmi port? I seem to remember seeing that somewhere, but I'm not sure
[04:56] <akk> It has this weirdo lenovo proprietary port, for which you can get an adaptor.
[04:56] <akk> I'm not sure how much the adaptor costs -- I use one at work but didn't have to buy it myself.
[04:57] <crashsystems> it doesn't have a dvd drive, does it?
[04:57] <akk> Oh, wait, sorry, ignorance: is HDMI the video thing, different from DVI?
[04:57] <crashsystems> yes, different from dvi
[04:57] <akk> No, no optical drive at all. Though at work I have a docking station with an optical drive.
[04:58] <crashsystems> what would you say are the things you like most and least about it?
[04:58] <akk> I think the answer is it doesn't have HDMI (or DVI either) built in
[04:58] <akk> but you might be able to get it through a docking station
[04:59] <crashsystems> does it have standard monitor port? I'd be ok with just that
[04:59] <akk> Yes, there's a standard VGA port built in.
[05:00] <akk> Normal plug, no dongle or anything silly like that.
[05:01] <crashsystems> how is the keyboard?
[05:02] <akk> The keyboard is fabulous. Best I've ever seen on a laptop.
[05:02] <crashsystems> :D
[05:02] <akk> With one and a half exceptions: F1 and ESC are interchanged from where I expect them, so I've ended up remapping them 'cause I couldn't get used to it
[05:02] <crashsystems> anything you don't like about the x201?
[05:03] <akk> and Alt and Fn are interchanged compared to my Vaio, but I only count that as half a complaint because it might be the Vaio that's weird.
[05:03] <akk> Wait, not alt -- it's Fn and the Windows key.
[05:03] <akk> Which reminds me, I need to put an ubuntu sticker over that Win logo :)
[05:04] <crashsystems> :D
[05:04] <akk> (thank you mark and zareason :)
[05:05] <akk> And I think it's the Vaio that's weird, not the Lenovo, because the Win key is between ctrl and alt on the Lenovo and my desktop keyboard too
[05:05] <crashsystems> I'm thinking of getting the i7 x201, swapping out the default 4gb ram with 8gb from newegg, and perhaps one of those seagate hybrid drives.
[05:06] <crashsystems> plus a decent sized external screen for when I'm at home
[05:07] <akk> This one is the i5 with 6G (2+4, I know that means they probably can't run dual-channel)
[05:07] <akk> and so far, just the original drive; I have another one that I keep meaning to put in (and I hear they're easy to open but can't speak from experience yet).
[05:08] <akk> And the original win7 takes up WAY too much space on the disk, wish I could stuff it into a VM or something.
[05:08] <crashsystems> I'd be wiping the drive with Ubuntu on the first boot
[05:09] <akk> Oh, I have the Intel wifi (happily) but I think some of them might have Broadcom.
[05:09] <crashsystems> Broadcom works quite well on my dell actuall
[05:09] <crashsystems> actually*
[05:09] <akk> Ah, okay, so you're ready for that if need be.
[05:10] <crashsystems> yep
[05:10] <crashsystems> if nothing else it would be fairly inexpensive to swap it for an intel
[05:10] <akk> I think the only Linux-related issue I've had is that under gnome, the screen brightness kept suddenly dimming
[05:10] <akk> and under openbox and no-gnome, when X starts it severely dims the screen, but if I brighten it it stays bright.
[05:11] <crashsystems> I think there is a setting for that in gnome
[05:11] <akk> I wouldn't have minded if it was like a screensaver, get bright again if I move the mouse, but it would stay dim
[05:11] <akk> so I had to do Fn-Home about six times every few minutes
[05:24]  * akk wonders if there's any way to get ubuntu to make /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video/brightness be writable by someone other than root
[15:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[17:32] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December19 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10November21 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited
[23:34] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/WhoDoesWhat edited


[07:52] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[11:06] <charafau[m]> Morning
[11:19] <bandali> good morning y'all
[12:18] <bandali> i'm planning on spending some time today looking through potentially relevant changes in mozilla's comm-central to see if i can find out what's happening with thundebird translations
[13:35] <gjolly> hey, I'm having an issue on 22.10 with gnome workspaces. Sometimes (1/3) my desktop freezes for a few seconds when I change workspace (ctrl+alt+(arrow keys)). It is frozen for a few seconds or until I press <super>. This is not something new, it's been like that for a few months at least.  Is it a known bug?
[14:04] <bandali> hi gjolly i haven't experiened this myself, but seems to be a known issue https://launchpad.net/bugs/2000644
[14:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-desktop- Launchpad bug 2000644 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "switching workspaces with shortcut sometimes freezes screen" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[14:08] <gjolly> bandali: indeed it seems to be exactly that, thanks! I will try to set a fixed number of workspaces to see if it also fixes the issue for me.
[14:47] <bandali> gjolly, cheers :)
[15:12] <bandali> ricotz, are you familiar with mozilla's mozharness and/or taskcluster machineries? i'm at a bit of a loss trying to figure out what we're missing for the translations
[15:12] <bandali> the closest i've come to finding something related/useful is https://searchfox.org/comm-central/source/python/l10n/tbxchannel/l10n_merge.py
[15:17] <bandali> looking at https://searchfox.org/comm-central/source/python/l10n/mach_commands.py maybe we need to run './mach tb-l10n-x-channel' somewhere in rules.mak
[15:55] <ricotz> bandali, sorry, I am not really familiar with these machineries, see the log from yesterday where I pasted a few links
[15:56] <ricotz> bandali, hmm, afaics calling tb-l10n-x-channel might work for snaps, but not for deb packaging
[16:09] <bandali> ricotz, np, and yeah i was looking at them, and i ended up at l10n_merge.py.  can you elaborate on why you think it might not work for the deb package?
[16:17] <ricotz> bandali, pulling hg repositories won't be possible
[16:31] <bandali> i see
[16:51] <bandali> i'm trying asking in their dev channel over on mozilla matrix
[17:59] <bandali> i've also found https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/l10n/crosschannel/repositories.html so far
[18:29] <bandali> though that doesn't seem thunderbird-specific/related
[18:59] <bandali> another seemingly relevant one https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/bbe4dd440ed8558889596282df76c18d6c30c7ac
[19:02] <bandali> https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/d6cd95d415e0b503b33569df2ba5314952527c0d


[19:50] <cannelle> hello
[19:50] <cannelle> I would like to suggest something about a program which helps maintain the system. it is fslint.
[19:51] <cannelle> in a spin of a Ubuntu version which I just did, I added fslint, and I had to create a desktop file to start it as root, because otherwise it had to be started from console, in order to do some tasks (remove dangling symlinks from /usr and /etc mainly)
[19:52] <cannelle> if anyone is interested to have a look at it and perhaps improve the package, here is the desktop file I did:
[19:52] <cannelle> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1683766/
[19:53] <cannelle> this was my wish/request of the day, thanks to the bugsquad ubuntu!
[20:20] <hggdh> hum. fslint development seems to be dead, nothing since April 2010...
[20:38] <roadmr> hggdh: maybe it's already a perfect tool
[20:40] <hggdh> roadmr: well, yes, who knows?
[20:41] <hggdh> jeez, uploading folders to gmail is slow as molasses
[23:56] <phillw> Hi, any of the bug squad here?
[23:58] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[23:58]  * TheLordOfTime drops a stack of 50 bugs on phillw
[23:59] <TheLordOfTime> to answer your question: ... perhaps.


[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> so whats all this ice ape business about? why are we doing it?
[12:58] <IdleOne> ok for some reason iceape likes to just close out at random times. any reason why?
[01:01] <IdleOne> firefox just did it to me also :/
[01:02] <IdleOne> this really sucks as now I cant check email
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> IdleOne: w3m :)
[01:02] <IdleOne> lemme try
[01:02] <Admiral_Chicago> IdleOne: thats a terminal based web browser
[01:03] <Admiral_Chicago> or try konqueror
[01:03] <Admiral_Chicago> probably the Gecko engine not liking something
[01:03] <IdleOne> any way of fixing this? I dont get any errors. where can I look for errors?
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> IdleOne: open it in a terminal
[01:04] <Admiral_Chicago> you'll have to excuse me though, i'm doing hw
[01:14] <IdleOne> konqueror is fully supported by gmail?
[01:14] <IdleOne> isnt?
[01:14] <IdleOne> very odd
[01:36] <Admiral_Chicago> no its not
[01:45] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: why are we doing what?
[01:46] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I don't understand still: we are doing both iceape and fx for gutsy?
[01:47] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: yes
[01:47] <Admiral_Chicago> what makes iceape different than fx?
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: iceape is not a browser it is an internet suite. replaces mozilla-suite
[01:51] <gnomefreak> or whatever it was called in feisty
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> ah the whole seamonkey?
[01:52] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:53] <gnomefreak> iceape = seamonkey with different icons and name :)
[01:53] <gnomefreak> its built using seamonkey source
[01:56] <Admiral_Chicago> okay
[02:14] <IdleOne> gnomefreak, iceape and firefox have been closing out on me for no apperent reason for the past week or so. is this a known issue?
[02:27] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: first ive seen of it.
[02:27] <IdleOne> gnomefreak, it seems random just closes out
[02:28] <gnomefreak> is it during flash java or anything else? what sites does it happen on? can you get a backtrace from it?
[02:29] <IdleOne> happen on java site and also happen when I was checking gmail
[02:29] <IdleOne> backtrace?
[02:30] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: instructions for backtrace are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/ try firefox first than just install iceape-dbg package and try with iceape. this on feisty?
[02:31] <IdleOne> yes on feisty
[02:31] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: also check in /var/crash since apport is turned off by default
[02:31] <gnomefreak> maybe ther eis one already :)
[02:31] <IdleOne> checking
[02:31] <gnomefreak> im gone for the night please post to the mailing list in the /topic of this channel the results
[02:32] <IdleOne> /var/crash is empty
[02:32] <IdleOne> will do gnomefreak
[02:32] <gnomefreak> ty
[09:23] <asac> ola
[09:23] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there asac
[11:24] <gnomefreak> its early :(
[11:24] <Admiral_Chicago> yep
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm doing schoolwork >:(
[11:26] <gnomefreak> WTF :(
[11:27] <Admiral_Chicago> are you at UDS too gnomefreak ?
[11:28] <gnomefreak> no
[11:28] <Admiral_Chicago> ah too bad
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: per your email to list: we might be pushing fx3 into gutsy during alpha releases
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i should rectify that....I know Fx releases Alphas and what not. I think it would be good to have a prebuilt deb of an alpha / beta to show people the progress of the project without updating the nightlies
[11:29] <gnomefreak> i guess i should update that too this weekend
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> i would fix that but I'm busy with school work and not thinking straigt anymore.
[11:30] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: we are putting fx3 in gutsy alphas
[11:30] <gnomefreak> is the idea
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> ah shit I didn't read that clearly enough
[11:30] <Admiral_Chicago> excuse the language
[11:31] <Admiral_Chicago> awesome :)
[11:31] <gnomefreak> its all good :)
[11:31] <gnomefreak> i only see one issue with that but me and asac will discuss it sometime after UDS
[11:33] <Admiral_Chicago> i'm off to type.
[11:33] <gnomefreak> asac: you around?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> asac: when you get time we have big issues atm
[12:20] <gnomefreak> im updating ffox-trunk for now since gutsy is all screwed up :(
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: iceape patches are failing to apply now in gutsy (last 24 hours it seems) as of 10am yesterday morning it built fine. now it fails to apply patches. i have all depends needed (i checked 4 times to make sure)
[01:03] <gnomefreak> it seems -trunk fails for feisty :(
[01:04] <asac> patches have nothing to do with applying
[01:05] <asac> aeh
[01:05] <asac> they must apply
[01:05] <asac> you do something wrong
[01:05] <asac> probably you messed up  the orig.tar.gz
[01:11] <gnomefreak> asac: no bddebian had issues with it first
[01:11] <gnomefreak> the upload to revu was built fine. he went to it and tested it and it failed and now i am getting it to fail also
[01:12] <gnomefreak> i cant remember where we got the debian dir from. i was gonna see if debian made changes so i can apply them and see if it builds
[01:13] <gnomefreak> when i uploaded it built fine so something in last 24 hours borked it. only thing i saw was binutils that would have affected it
[01:20] <gnomefreak> it looks like they didnt change anything :(
[01:45] <gnomefreak> asac: even with new source (whole new dir to build starting from scratch) it still fails to apply patches
[01:46] <gnomefreak> asac: failure is attempting to revert failed patch 10_components_no_exec from ./: md5sums match, proceeding ... done (neither success nor failure guaranteed)
[01:47] <gnomefreak> sorry that is during clean let me try that on apply this time :
[01:54] <gnomefreak> ok heres what i got. it builds fine with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -v1.1.1-3 -i.bzr  but when you test the build it fails to apply patches :(
[02:05] <gnomefreak> asac: maybe the patches need to be updated for gutsy?
[02:07] <asac> gnomefreak: you have modified the pach without cleaning first
[02:08] <asac> now you are probably lost
[02:08] <asac> have to restart from bzr
[02:08] <asac> oh
[02:08] <asac> sorry misread
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: i didnt modifiy any patch that i know of
[02:08] <asac> patches definitly don't need to be modified
[02:08] <asac> upstream sources have not changed
[02:08] <gnomefreak> asac: i started with clean everything and still fails during testing
[02:09] <asac> and gutsy or not is just not relevant
[02:09] <gnomefreak> test -d debian/patched || install -d debian/patched
[02:09] <gnomefreak> dpatch  apply-all
[02:09] <gnomefreak> applying patch 10_components_no_exec to ./ ... failed.
[02:09] <gnomefreak> make: *** [patch-stamp]  Error 1
[02:09] <asac> look what fails
[02:09] <gnomefreak> if i comment that one out it fails on 10_icons
[02:09] <asac> there should be a .rej file on files
[02:10] <asac> yeah
[02:10] <asac> you probably did something wrong with the source tarball
[02:12] <gnomefreak> ill run it again from bzr and see what happens.
[02:13] <gnomefreak> bzr clone http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x   is newest right?
[02:16] <asac> think so
[02:16] <asac> you have to be sure that source is properly extracted and all that
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i am
[02:17] <gnomefreak> ill let you know what i find once i start it.
[02:38] <gnomefreak> asac: brand new everything still fails with same error. makes me think gutsy package (maybe dpatch is borked)
[02:45] <asac> Admiral_Chicago: how is the cluefile job going?
[02:46] <gnomefreak> asac: thinking found problem but i will let you know. the file that is trying to be patched isnt there
[02:52] <gnomefreak> cant find xulrunner/config/rules.mk anywhere :(
[02:55] <gnomefreak> asac: full error is http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/482839  than is from the patched dir
[02:58] <gnomefreak> could that have been caused by * debian/*mozilla*: Removed.?
[03:00] <gnomefreak> cant find suite/branding/Makefile.in neither that would explain why when i # out the first patch this one failed
[03:09] <asac> gnomefreak: paste a find in your top level dir
[03:09] <asac> please remember that iceape has *deflated" tarball
[03:09] <asac> e.g. *not* embedded
[03:09] <gnomefreak> i unpacked it
[03:11] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/482854
[03:11] <gnomefreak> i did it in 2 dirs just incase
[03:12] <gnomefreak> same with find suite/branding/Makefile.in
[03:14] <gnomefreak> i found suite/branding/Makefile.in in mozilla dir
[03:15] <gnomefreak> but still no xulrunner/config/rules.mk
[03:27] <gnomefreak> asac: ok heres what i found out. i built .mt8 2 hours before mike made his latest changes changelog entry to follow
[03:27] <gnomefreak> * debian/control, debian/rules: Removed dummy packages for transition from
[03:27] <gnomefreak>     mozilla.
[03:27] <gnomefreak>   * debian/*mozilla*: Removed.
[03:27] <gnomefreak>  -- Mike Hommey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:15:10 +0200
[03:28] <gnomefreak> no nvm thats not it either i built it a few days after from what changelog says :(
[03:30] <gnomefreak> ok time for doc. appt. i will build in feisty to see if it builds and ill be back in a hour or 2
[03:31] <asac> k
[03:42] <gnomefreak> asac: fails in feisty the same as in gutsy
[03:43] <gnomefreak> yep same error in /debian/patched
[03:43] <gnomefreak> im gone for a while
[03:55] <asac> gnomefreak: you don't need the latest update from debian
[03:57] <asac> thre are no changes in patches
[03:57] <asac> so you do wrong :)
[03:57] <asac> try to follow instructions carefully :)
[04:05] <asac> ok gone for the night :) uds is almost over ;) cu the next days
[05:37] <gnomefreak> asac: im getting it from bzr
[05:37] <gnomefreak> not from debian
[05:38] <gnomefreak> mike made changes before we commited to bzr


[06:00] <mpt_> Goooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:03] <Hobbsee> hi mpt!!!
[06:04] <mpt> hi Hobbsee :-)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:09] <ajmitch> hello mpt, Hobbsee
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hiya ajmitch!!!
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i got home at 1.30am without being killed - massive change :D
[06:14] <mpt> Massive change?
[06:14] <mpt> You are normally killed?
[06:18] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: hah, well done :)
[06:19] <Hobbsee> mpt: yeah.  when ajmitch was over here, and we went and visited another developer, we got back to his hotel at 1am, and i got back to my house at 1.30am.  mum spat chips over that one, for ages.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> mpt: mum's slightly...restrictive in some areas, like kerfews
[06:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: indeed!  :P
[06:27] <mpt> "spat chips", haven't heard that one before
[06:27] <ajmitch> it's an interesting metaphor
[06:30] <mpt> In NZ we're more likely to spit tacks
[06:31] <mpt> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22spitting+tacks%22
[06:34] <ajmitch> australians are funny like that
[06:38] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:13] <mpt> Hmm, I got mail from Launchpad on the 13th about things that happened on the 10th
[11:59] <tsmithe> totalwormage, kinda agree with you there
[12:00] <totalwormage> good
[12:00] <totalwormage> :]
[12:00] <totalwormage> i don't like people argueing about silly stuff
[12:00] <tsmithe> :)
[12:01] <totalwormage> it's a beautiful day here :p let's talk about how nice coffee smells or something
[12:01] <totalwormage> :P
[12:03] <tsmithe> nice here too
[12:09] <LCID_Fire> Good morning - could anybody give me some walkthrough how to upload a bzr branch from scratch?
[01:47] <sacater> how often is this page updated https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+topcontributors
[01:52] <spiv> Daily, I think.
[02:03] <sacater> oh, well im looking at support tracker on that page, my support karma is over 5200, yet i am not in the support tracker list. but i have had more than 5000 for a few days now
[02:04] <sacater> https://launchpad.net/~sacater/+karma
[02:05] <Kmos> i'm not there too
[02:05] <Kmos> at translations
[02:06] <Kmos> I've Karma:  8802
[02:06] <Kmos> :)
[02:21] <sacater> oh
[02:21] <sacater> well that sucks
[02:21] <sacater> pochu: im catching you up on karma :P
[02:26] <Kmos> :)
[02:34] <pochu> sacater: :)
[02:40] <LarstiQ>  /win 23
[02:40] <LarstiQ> oeps
[02:47] <sacater> LarstiQ: dont worry, i do that all the time
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #106763 in launchpad-bazaar "Package Sources should be made available through bazaar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106763
[03:57] <ubotu> New bug: #106760 in launchpad "Broken sorting on some pages when using safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106760
[04:51] <cynthia> hi
[04:51] <cynthia> it seems that the connection with launchpad is poor again
[04:51] <cynthia> can anyone help me?
[04:56] <welldown> hello?
[05:30] <shirish> hi guys, looking for guidance in writing a feature specification
[05:31] <shirish> Should I be editing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec ?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> shirish: er, you should be making a copy of that, surely, rather than overwriting the tmeplate
[05:31] <shirish> hi Hobbsee: thanx for pointing that out, how do I make a copy of that specification, this is my first time
[05:32] <shirish> I am logged in to the wiki
[05:32] <Hobbsee> make a new wiki page
[05:32] <Hobbsee> you can hit edit on the other one, grab the code, and paste it into your new page
[05:33] <shirish> Hobbsee: perhaps I am blind, for i cannot see a link/button to make a new wiki page
[05:34] <Hobbsee> go to the address that you want, then hit create new wiki page
[05:34] <shirish> Hobbsee: I am unceremoniously being dumped into UserPreferences
[05:36] <shirish> ok got that, slow learner here
[05:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #106793 in launchpad "Please allow people to reactivate themselves in teams where they're allowed to" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106793
[06:08] <TimothyP> Hi, I'm looking for the best place to host a new project, there are many solutions such as sourceforge and novellforge, etc... but how does launchpad fit in ? Any reason I should go for launchpad , or any reason I should not go for launchpad?
[06:15] <AlexLatchford> TimothyP: Well launchpad offers most aspects of the development cycle, tracking features, translations, bugs and support questions.. It deals with code development through bazaar, however to my know download hosting you will have to provide yourself
[06:16] <AlexLatchford> But it also offers real collaboration with other OSS projects, so if you are doing a project which involves the python programming language, you find a bug that is reported under your project, it is easy to send the report on to the python developers and keep that same bug informed of the changes automatically
[06:17] <defendguin> i'm subscribed to a bug in launchpad and it never shows up in my list of subscribed bugs
[06:18] <defendguin> great now it shows up when i ask the question
[06:18] <AlexLatchford> :)
[06:19] <AlexLatchford> the behaviour has changed in the new UI, so that you now get Related bugs as the first page I believe instead of assigned bugs.. (IIRC)
[06:19] <AlexLatchford> it will include assigned bugs, but it is usually a far larger list as it includes reported bugs too
[06:36] <TimothyP> AlexLatchford, that might be usefull as my code is dependant on the evolution-sharp code and I saw Evolution mono bindings in the project list, unless of course this is yet another library for evolution / c# bindings
[06:41] <shirish> guys I have made a feature specification, where should I move it to be used in consideration ?
[06:43] <AlexLatchford> whats it a spec for?
[06:44] <shirish> AlexLatchford: its for making some changes to apport so its more robust
[06:44] <AlexLatchford> https://launchpad.net/apport
[06:44] <AlexLatchford> try there :)
[06:45] <AlexLatchford> or maybe https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[06:46] <shirish> AlexLatchford: sorry what i meant was I have made a wiki/Feature specification template thing, now do not know what/how to work with that.
[06:46] <AlexLatchford> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/apport/+spec/shirish/+edit
[06:46] <AlexLatchford> you can link the full spec
[06:47] <AlexLatchford> (I presume this is the spec you are talking about)
[06:47] <AlexLatchford> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/apport/+spec/shirish/
[06:47] <shirish> right
[06:48] <shirish> now the full specification, or the rational atleast behind it has been done. Now the wiki just shows me the preview it, I have moved it to the category bug squad but I am still getting only a preview
[06:49] <shirish> do not know what I have done wrong or how to set it right.
[06:50] <shirish> I think its on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/ can u check that?
[06:59] <shirish> can anybody tell me what else I need to do? The spec is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #106814 in launchpad "Code page of a project is not updated after a bound branch commit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106814
[08:15] <beuno> anyone around that can confirm that apport won't be activated by default in Feisty?
[08:15] <beuno> UWN will be out in a while, and I don't want to get that wrong  :D
[08:17] <phanatic> beuno: #ubuntu-devel is a more appropriate place to ask this question imho
[08:18] <beuno> alright, I'll ask there, thanks
[08:35] <jroes> wow, launchpad is so much more usable now
[08:36] <jroes> I remember a year ago I couldn't figure out how to use a damn thing in it
[08:36] <jroes> nice work guys
[08:42] <[miles] > hi guys
[08:42] <[miles] > good evening
[08:43] <[miles] > is the keyserver.ubuntu.com having problems atm?
[10:51] <bd_> I'm getting a 'Launchpad could not verify your signature: (7, 9, 'No public key')' when I try to register my public key. I've added additional subkeys in the past, so I suspect it has an outdated copy. Is there any way to force it to poll a particular keyserver, or to send it a direct copy of my public key, so it has the up-to-date signing subkeys?
[10:52] <bd_> key ID is 2C6FFCEB53024103F7AFDD5578C15A515A1665A1
[11:03] <bd_> I've filed a ticket: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+ticket/5075
[11:05] <crimsun> bd_: you could send the pubkey directly to canonical's hosted keyserver
[11:05] <crimsun> that's normally what I do
[11:05] <bd_> I tried :/
[11:05] <bd_> gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key 2C6FFCEB53024103F7AFDD5578C15A515A1665A1 <-- didn't work
[11:06] <bd_> oh
[11:06] <bd_> there was a delay
[11:08] <crimsun> right, it's not finger-snap immediate.


[13:36] <mhall119> Lupine: dang, I missed it yesterday, but happy birthday
[13:36] <Lupine> ahh shucks, thx man
[13:36] <Lupine> the big 3.5    yikes!
[13:36] <Lupine> gettin up there ;)
[13:40] <mhall119> lol, decimal age, I like it
[15:36] <tiemonster> ruby dep hell
[15:42] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[16:34]  * amouge[work] sighs
[16:34] <amouge[work]> is it typical for while waiting for new dns to resolve that the site doesnt resolve to the new server nor the old server. it just dies in transit?
[16:36] <mhall119> I wouldn't think so
[16:36] <amouge[work]> ah wait.. i see i think
[16:37] <amouge[work]> well i thought that would fix it.. guess i give it a few more minutes now to resolve internal dns
[16:37] <amouge[work]> im using rackspace's dns service
[16:38] <amouge[work]> and just pointing everything to ns.rackspace.com :) forgot to add zones for the domains to my account
[16:38] <amouge[work]> i assume once i add tehm to that it will be a few more minutes and they will start working
[16:38] <zoopster> mhall119: want to plan a lunch meeting this week?
[16:43] <mhall119> maybe Friday, I'll let you know
[16:55] <zoopster> ok
[17:49] <tiemonster> if I change the label for id_rsa.pub, will it still work?
[17:50] <tiemonster> I'm trying to set up gitosis, and I want everyone to have a unique id
[19:37] <amouge[work]> so hey anyone here use dojo?
[19:37] <amouge[work]> I'll pay someone to help me figure out a bug :)
[19:37] <amouge[work]> I dont think its necessarily dojo specific.. we migrated servers today, and now all of my ajax calls are broken
[20:10] <reya276> hey what does the LOST.DIR directory for within an Android phone
[20:12] <greiser> amouge why are they broken?
[20:12] <greiser> can you debug them by hitting them directly?
[20:42] <maxolasersquad> reya276: http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-general-discussions/8586-sd-card-what-lost-dir.html
[20:48] <reya276> maxolasersquad, thanks
[20:49] <reya276> maxolasersquad, the funny thing is I don't use a MAC so could it be that this gets generated everytime I connect it to my Ubuntu PC(s)/Laptops
[20:49] <reya276> weird
[20:50] <maxolasersquad> reya276: My guess is that Google just puts it there to be friendly to Macs.
[20:50] <reya276> yeah but there are a bunch of files in that DIR
[21:02] <reya276> Man I wish there was a simpler way to load the Ubuntu font on to my phone, I can't even buy it as they don't have it for sale
[21:11] <reya276> Hey can Open Office save files to *.epub ?
[21:29] <maxolasersquad> reya276: I don't believe OO offers epub as a format.
[21:31] <reya276> yeah I don't see it on their Save As or Export
[21:38] <mhall119> you can maybe export to PDF, then use Calibre to convert it to epub
[21:44] <reya276> oh ok that might work


[00:33] <Atamira> where in nz?
[00:50] <codepal> Northland, Dargaville
[00:50] <codepal> small town with a big SeniorNet group
[00:51] <codepal> my mum is treasurer
[00:51] <codepal> & hi Atamira o/ - hope you and yours are well?
[00:53] <Atamira> afternoon codepal . all good this end thanks
[00:53] <Atamira> i know where dargaville is.
[00:53] <Atamira> im in auckland
[00:54] <Atamira> how you and yours are well too
[00:55] <codepal> excell, well - I'm wanting to do this fairly professionally - so I'll probably be taking some LIVE CD's  along....
[00:55] <codepal> I haven't really thought out the basics of it yet, but I'm keen to help people realise that the world isn't just Microsoft's.
[00:55] <codepal> or Google's for that matter...
[00:56] <Atamira> theres other other than google?
[00:56] <Atamira> oops
[00:56] <Atamira> theres something other than google*
[00:58] <ojwb> don't let them hear you ask that
[00:59] <Atamira> heh
[01:19] <codepal> are most of the people here members of NZ loco ?
[01:20] <lifeless> loco membership can be a bit vague :)
[01:20] <lifeless> I'm on the list, for instance.
[01:20] <ojwb> it's not the liveliest list
[01:20] <ojwb> or else I've fallen off
[01:21] <codepal> so, polling for response around the room - what do you think of the idea of trying to get SeniorNet's members interested in FOSS?
[01:21] <codepal> or Ubuntu in particular.
[01:21] <lifeless> whats a SeniorNet ?
[01:21] <ojwb> i don't know what seniornet is, but getting people interested is good
[01:22] <codepal> http://www.seniornet.co.nz/
[01:22] <codepal> it's a group where training on Microsoft's money sucking apps happens, mostly
[01:23] <codepal> for people aged 50+
[01:23]  * ojwb wonders how they'll find the ubuntu ui churn
[01:23] <Atamira> so long as it does what they want it to do
[01:23] <ojwb> microsoft's ui churn seems to baffle my and my partner's parents
[01:24] <codepal> What I'd love to see is for each SeniorNet area, a representative of Ubuntu offer training...
[01:24] <codepal> for a charge maybe / idk how that would work.
[01:24] <codepal> SeniorNet is pretty established in NZ - imo
[01:24] <codepal> so it's a good user base to hit with FOSS
[01:25] <ojwb> yeah, it seems a good idea
[01:25] <codepal> do I need to write up a blueprint?
[01:25] <ajmitch> though there'a not really any representative, except people who might be interested & know a bit about ubuntu
[01:25] <codepal> or what's the best next step?
[01:26] <ojwb> probably to find people local enough who are happy to do it
[01:26] <ojwb> the loco list is probably worth a try
[01:26] <ojwb> and/or local LUG is there is one
[01:26] <codepal> no, I expect that people would step up to the plate for ubuntu and ask to get a meeting with SeniorNet's local person in charge.
[01:27] <codepal> ojwb, you mean SeniorNet people / Ubuntu fans?
[01:27] <ojwb> the latter
[01:28] <codepal> well, mum's helping me in my area, so I've got a step in the door already
[01:28] <codepal> but it may be harder for other Ubuntu fans to approach the right SeniorNet people in their area
[01:28] <codepal> I might be able to help with that too though...
[01:28] <codepal> I'll talk to mum
[01:29] <ojwb> hmm, I see what you mean - might help if it's already happening somewhere
[01:29] <codepal> I guess I'll be developing the template of what to present to a SeniorNet meeting....
[01:30] <codepal> that's where I'd really like help with ideas
[01:31] <ojwb> Iafraid
[01:31] <ojwb> gah
[01:31] <ojwb> I'm afraid I really need to get on with something right now, but happy to talk later
[01:31] <mwhudson> a pox on courier companies whose 0800 number does not accept calls from mobiles
[19:29] <ajmitch> happy mailman day
[19:30] <ojwb> morning
[20:04] <mwhudson> morning
[20:23] <hads_> morning
[20:27] <hads> Huh. Just got a duplicate key on a DB column which is sha1(time() * random())
[20:27] <ojwb> step 2, profit!
[20:29] <kcj> No. Step 2, ???? Step 3, profit!
[20:29] <kcj> Also, morning.
[20:29] <ojwb> it's my new accelerated process
[20:30] <kcj> Only Warren Buffett knows step 2.
[20:40] <mwhudson> can random() return 0?
[20:44] <hads> I don't think so
[20:45] <hads> It appears it can.
[20:46] <hads> Good point.
[21:12]  * ojwb hands hads an xor
[21:13] <ojwb> or perhaps shift and or if you've got the width
[22:32] <lifeless> hads: time() * random() isn't terribly unique - str(time()) + '-' + str(random()) - that should fare better
[22:38] <hads> lifeless: Yes I've come to realise this. That's a much better idea.
[22:40] <hads> Thanks.
[22:41] <hads> Not sure how that one slipped through back in the day.
[22:46] <lifeless> 'brainfart' :P
[23:28] <mwhudson> makes me think of http://bugs.python.org/msg91073
[23:29] <mwhudson> i had more fun writing that bug report than any other i can think of :-)
[23:57] <lifeless> aieee
[23:57] <lifeless> and not landed yet
[23:57] <lifeless> wtf


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[19:16] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 838 shortly to add stats/trports; Sunday thingies :D
[20:29] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue838 up for review and final edits: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-838/44648 :D