[08:42] <MmikeDOMA> Zijev
[08:44] <Mmike> ivoks, tvoj stari radi kuhinje/vrata i ono sve?
[20:15] <ivoks> sve najbolje :)
[20:15] <ivoks> Mmike: pa, da...
[22:41] <Mmike> ivoks, kul! :) odlicno izgleda
 well, I was going to use perl, but then I realised setting my curtains on fire would cause less damage


[11:08] <hyper_ch> firemonkeyballz: not 100%... there are a few things that won't work on php5 anymore
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> and the email hotkey works too
[11:08] <frojnd> it says that this modul is allready enabled
[11:09] <firemonkeyballz> natively nos?
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> yes
[11:09] <firemonkeyballz> just that euro cent is a pain
[11:09] <firemonkeyballz> its known to crash things
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> haha know what you mena
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> not crash... but it got in my way
[11:10] <firemonkeyballz> actually crashed a few programs to see if it worked
[11:10] <firemonkeyballz> just pressing it enough can
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> hmmm...
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> I think you can disble it somehow if you can get its keycode..I don't remember how though
[11:11] <firemonkeyballz> well if you can do that then you can map it
[11:11] <coreymon77> guys
[11:11] <coreymon77> im having trouble reading a cdr
[11:11] <coreymon77> i mean
[11:11] <coreymon77> dvd r
[11:11] <coreymon77> i have a dvd rom drive
[11:13] <coreymon77> can you guys help me
[11:14] <frojnd> what else shoud I try to enable php modul
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> umm.... is it a video dvd?
[11:14] <coreymon77> no
[11:14] <coreymon77> burned data dvd r
[11:14] <nosrednaekim> do is it not popping up a window to mount it?
[11:15] <coreymon77> no
[11:16] <coreymon77> its not the disk
[11:16] <coreymon77> the disk is fine
[11:16] <coreymon77> it has been tested on other computers
[11:16] <firemonkeyballz> umm nos whats the command for 64 bit dapper
[11:17] <firemonkeyballz> ati
[11:17] <nosrednaekim> does your drive mount cds?
[11:17] <fjuarez> every configure irda think pad in kubuntu
[11:17] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: yes
[11:18] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: the command?
[11:18] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: my drive is a cdrw-dvd rom combo
[11:18] <firemonkeyballz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c3f28515df1775ec5e62e78fd6c0f8f54e5f9302
[11:19] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: why cant i mout it
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> I don;t know
[11:19] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[11:20] <firemonkeyballz> corey did you make it on another system?
[11:20] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: i didnt make it
[11:20] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: but i believe it was made on a windows computer
[11:20] <firemonkeyballz> well someone formated it only for that drive
[11:20] <firemonkeyballz> it was burnt in
[11:20] <coreymon77> it has worked on other comptuers
[11:20] <coreymon77> including a mac
[11:21] <firemonkeyballz> well could be your dvd drive
[11:21] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: so that doesnt make sense
[11:21] <firemonkeyballz> is it - or +
[11:21] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: how? its a dvd rom drive
[11:21] <coreymon77> +
[11:21] <firemonkeyballz> ummm and the disk is?
[11:22] <coreymon77> the disk is +
[11:22] <coreymon77> i dont knwo about my drive
[11:23] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: hwo do i check
[11:23] <firemonkeyballz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> firemonkeyballz: I'm sorry..I can;t find any tutorials for 6.06 and ATI
[11:27] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: that doesnt tell me if my drive is + or -
[11:27] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: how do i find out
[11:27] <firemonkeyballz> umm there is a utility to check what it can read
[11:27] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: what utility is this
[11:28] <MukiEX> I fubared the link KDE has to an application. e.g. it'll run from any terminal, but putting the same command into KDE's run box points to an executable that's no longer there. How can I fix this? Where's KDE's application-running data?
[11:29] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: and how do i get this utility?
[11:30] <firemonkeyballz> looking for it
[11:31] <firemonkeyballz> http://www.brothersoft.com/downloads/dvd-drive-info.html
[11:31] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: not apt?
[11:31] <firemonkeyballz> it is
[11:31] <firemonkeyballz> an app
[11:31] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: can i get it from apt
[11:31] <xtavaresx> hello. I have a problem, installing linux-restricted-modules-generic caused my X to break. i have an nvidia card.
[11:31] <firemonkeyballz> you'll need wine
[11:31] <premier_> hello, im using an hp printer, and it loads some important stuff at boot, but if the printer isnt plugged in (usb) then the software isnt loaded.  Does anyone know how to load the software at run time?
[11:32] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: okay, which program is it, there are many on that page
[11:32] <firemonkeyballz> http://www.brothersoft.com/utilities/system_utilities/cd_and_dvd_drive_identify_31437.html
[11:34] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: thats not a windows program
[11:34] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: its a dos program
[11:34] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: wine wont run it
[11:35] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: isnt there any other
[11:35] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: perhaps a linux program
[11:35] <firemonkeyballz> dosbox
[11:35] <firemonkeyballz> works in linux
[11:35] <firemonkeyballz> infact there is one for linux
[11:36] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: thats good
[11:36] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: from apt?
[11:36] <firemonkeyballz> maybe
[11:36] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: okay, what is it called?
[11:38] <hari> hi
[11:39] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: and how do i get it
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> hari: hi
[11:39] <hari> new to kubuntu, trying to upgrade amarok using adept manager
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> ok....
[11:40] <hari> it shows up saying that upgrade available, but when i click to upgrade it says 'break'?
[11:40] <firemonkeyballz> how does 17mb become 50?
[11:40] <coreymon77> hari: that means that it will break dependencies if you upgrade
[11:41] <BluesKaj> 17x2.99999=50
[11:41] <firemonkeyballz> from a compresed file?
[11:41] <hari> er... ? what exactly does that mean :P
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> Blues: thanks alot...:-P
[11:41] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:41] <coreymon77> hari: programs depened on having other programs to work
[11:42] <nosrednaekim> haru: it means if you upgrade, it can break other packages
[11:42] <coreymon77> hari: in order for a program to work, all of its dependencies have to be there
[11:42] <hari> oh ok... so esentially i want to be able to listen to mp3s etc, and default version doesn't work
[11:42] <BluesKaj> sorry firemonkeyballz, i couldn't resist
[11:42] <coreymon77> hari: if one or more of a programs dependencies are not met
[11:42] <coreymon77> hari: that program will cease to work
[11:43] <firemonkeyballz> anyway need to reboot and verify drivers
[11:43] <firemonkeyballz> so I should have ATI drivers now
[11:43] <hari> so checked out web which said that newest version will play them
[11:43] <coreymon77> hari: which will cause other programs that depend on that program to stop working to
[11:43] <firemonkeyballz> no complaints from sudo
[11:43] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: and what is the linux utility called?
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> good luck firemonkeyballz
[11:44] <firemonkeyballz> corey dosbox?
[11:44] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: dont forget me
[11:44] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: oh
[11:44] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: no the linux utility
[11:44] <nosrednaekim> hARI: what functionality do you need out of the latest version of amarok?
[11:44] <hari> um, ability to play mp3s? :)
[11:45] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: the linux utility that does what that program does
[11:45] <firemonkeyballz> was a umm ok I'll reboot
[11:45] <hari> and streaming music from shoutcast?
[11:45] <firemonkeyballz> when you figure out what your saying
[11:45] <firemonkeyballz> ask
[11:45] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | ari
[11:45] <ubotu> ari: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:45] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | hari
[11:45] <ubotu> hplease see above
[11:45] <DaSkreech> What?
[11:45] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | hari
[11:45] <nosrednaekim> oh, thats not a problem with amarok, but instead your xine engine
[11:46] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: look,i dont want to have to use a dos utility to check what my drive can read
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> thank you DaSkreech
[11:46] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: isnt there a linux version that i can use?
[11:46] <eilker> !electronic
[11:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about electronic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:46] <coreymon77> firemonkeyballz: all i want to know is what types of dvds my drive can read
[11:46] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: whats the problem?
[11:46] <hari> coreymon77: how do i check out xine engine problem?
[11:46] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Look on the front of it
[11:47] <nosrednaekim> do you have multiverse repositories installed hari?
[11:47] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i just want to know what types of dvds (eg + and -) my drive can read
[11:47] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Normally written on the front of the Drive
[11:47] <firemonkeyballz> ummm before I do... go
[11:47] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: not on mine
[11:48] <firemonkeyballz> oh nm blond moment
[11:48] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: who makes the drive?
[11:48] <eilker> !geda
[11:48] <ubotu> geda: GNU EDA -- Electronics design software. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060123-1 (edgy), package size 86 kB, installed size 380 kB
[11:48] <DaSkreech> !abuse
[11:48] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:48] <hari> nosrednaekim: i think i do, i enabled 2 lines in repository manager
[11:48] <hari> and downloaded updates
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> ok... good
[11:49] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: samsung
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> search for "xine-extracodecs"
[11:49] <pabst__> So, I have thhis laptop with Kubuntu 6.10 on it (Edgy), but, I can't figure out what kind of Wireless NIC or how to make it work... any quick and easy solutions?
[11:49] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Know the model number?
[11:49] <hari> nosrednaekim: in adept?
[11:49] <coreymon77> umm
[11:49] <nosrednaekim> hari: yes
[11:49] <jeff_> Hi
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> pabst_: try "lspci"on the command line
[11:50] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: i think its CDRW/DVD SM-308B
[11:50] <Sanctusorium> I got a bit of a problem..
[11:50] <coreymon77> !ask | Sanctusorium
[11:50] <ubotu> Sanctusorium: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> hari I have to go.... others here are more knowledgble than me...
[11:50] <pabst__> nosrednaekim: awesome thanks, its a Broadcomm looks like BCM4318
[11:50] <hari> ok thanks nosrednaekim :)
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> bye
[11:51] <Sanctusorium> Kubuntu seems to be reading my embedded audio instead of my PCI sound card.
[11:51] <Sanctusorium> My embedded aduio chip doesnt work...
[11:51] <Sanctusorium> How could I change it to my PCI Soundblaster?
[11:52] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: first type 'asoundconf list' into a konsole window
[11:52] <Xanith> how can i mount my storage drive without it being in root permission only?
[11:52] <Sanctusorium> ok..
[11:53] <hari> i don't have xine-extracodecs, how do i install these?
[11:53] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: what does it give you
[11:53] <Sanctusorium> Names of available sound cards:
[11:53] <Sanctusorium> CA0106
[11:53] <Sanctusorium> ICH5
[11:53] <DaSkreech> !multiverse | hari
[11:53] <ubotu> hari: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:53] <DaSkreech> !mp3| hari
[11:53] <ubotu> hari: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:53] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: okay
[11:54] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: do you know which one is which
[11:54] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: anything about my drive?
[11:54] <Sanctusorium> Nope...  I am guessing that ICH5 is the embedded audio though
[11:55] <coreymon77> okay then
[11:55] <firemonkeyballz> you kno... im still getting that disk error at boot
[11:55] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: why would that be?
[11:55] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Sirry what are you looking for?
[11:56] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: what types of dvds it can play
[11:56] <coreymon77> namely + or -
[11:56] <Sanctusorium> The chip is usually refered as to "Intel something something something"  and The ICH5 starts with I...  ITs just a guess really.
[11:56] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: good point
[11:56] <coreymon77> Sanctusorium: so, try this
[11:57] <coreymon77> asoundconf set-default-card CA0106
[11:57] <DaSkreech> http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-97322.html coreymon77 there is a set of links here to the manuals
[11:57] <Sanctusorium> Alright...  Let my try some music..
[11:58] <Xanith> how can i mount my storage drive without it being in root permission only?
[11:58] <firemonkeyballz> umm whats this? 03/09/2007 02:52:25 PM	fmballz-inc	kernel	[   44.922246]  hda_codec: invalid dep_range_val 0:7fff
[11:58] <albert> hi, i have a problem with dvd playback, it slows down my whole pc and runs bad
[11:59] <Sanctusorium> Hey
[11:59] <Sanctusorium> *Yep
[11:59] <Sanctusorium> Worked!
[11:59] <b0ng0> Hi can anyone help me, I changed my login screen using KDM and I cant get the original back
[11:59] <posingaspopular> albert: what program areyou using
[11:59] <firemonkeyballz> !ati
[11:59] <albert> posingaspopular: kaffeine or gxine
[11:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:59] <Sanctusorium> Thanks alot Corymon
[12:00] <eilker> !science
[12:00] <pabst__> Any fast and easy ways to get a Broadcomm wireless nic to work with Kubuntu?
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about science - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <firemonkeyballz> dont pabst
[12:02] <firemonkeyballz> get your self a atheros
[12:02] <Jonty> !love
[12:02] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[12:02] <Jonty> hmm
[12:03] <b0ng0> !kdm
[12:03] <ubotu> kdm: X display manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 611 kB, installed size 1480 kB
[12:03] <albert> posingaspopular: have you any solution?
[12:03] <firemonkeyballz> nos!
[12:03] <firemonkeyballz> it sais its a express 200
[12:03] <firemonkeyballz> not an 1100
[12:04] <pabst__> firemonkeyballz: wish i could :/ its a company laptop
[12:04] <firemonkeyballz> frowns on your bos
[12:04] <pabst__> yeah
[12:05] <pabst__> so i gotta figure it out someway or another :/
[12:05] <firemonkeyballz> nos!!
[12:05] <firemonkeyballz> someone ping him
[12:06] <Mena> What is good a bout using Ext3 ????
[12:06] <firemonkeyballz> less fragmenttaiiion
[12:06] <firemonkeyballz> as I recently read
[12:07] <Mena> and i am being to hate linux bec of the diffrence bettwen xp and linux in th (iso charachter)
[12:08] <Mena> any answer here
[12:11] <Mena> !Linux
[12:11] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[12:11] <firemonkeyballz> where is nos?
[12:11] <firemonkeyballz> there any leet in here
[12:12] <firemonkeyballz> need help
[12:12] <Mena> what is you problem ?


[13:33] <Annibale> ciao
[21:38] <zenguitar> Just wondering can someone help troubleshoot USB MIDI connection problem? Pretty sure it's something to do with UEFI BIOS settings. I'm using Ubunutu-Studio 20.10 Alpha, which is working great with my Saffire Firewire audio device!
[21:42] <OvenWerks> zenguitar: I can try...
[21:43] <OvenWerks> I know almost nothing about UEFI, but I think if you can boot that is probably not the problem.
[21:43] <OvenWerks> So I think you have either a USB MIDI plug or a USB keyboard set up.
[21:46] <zenguitar> okay thanks. The funny thing is on the same (recently built) multi-boot PC, the MIDI USB M-Audio Keystation 88 Pro works fine in Windows 10, but it's only in Ubutu Studio and Manjaro Linux that it is not recognised by the kernel (dmesg output = zilch) when I plug in the USB
[21:47] <OvenWerks> zenguitar: do any other USB devices work (memory stick for example)?
[21:55] <zenguitar> OvenWorks: Interesting. Plugged in two different USB drives (one Seagate 4Tb drive and a little 64Gb flash drive stick), nothing happens - checked dmesg, nothing. I nplugged and replugged the little Logitech receiver for wireless keyboard/mouse. Dmesg shows it is detected and works.
[21:57] <zenguitar> OvenWerks: These USB drives all work in Windows 10 on the same PC
[21:58] <OvenWerks> So, it would seem bios passes it's detection of the keyboard on to the os. Anything new doesn't get seen.
[21:59] <OvenWerks> You may wish to ask on #ubuntu as there are very few people here... and I for one, don't know where to jump from here. If you have both USB 2 and USB 3 sockets, does it make a difference which you use?
[22:00] <zenguitar> yes. Another check, the Logitech unifying receiver only works on the front USB 2.0 port of the case. I tried it in the other ports...nothing. Only when I plug it back in the front port it works.
[22:01] <zenguitar> OvenWerks: Thanks a mil, I'll head over to #ubuntu channel and see if anyone can think of something. Thanks for your help, cheers!
[22:02] <OvenWerks> no problem, wish I could help more.
[22:03] <zenguitar> Cool, however I am impressed with Ubuntu Studio 20.10 so far - my Saffire firewire audio device working out-of-the-box with alsa firewire drivers was a big and pleasant surprise!
[22:05] <OvenWerks> I am running a FW device as well right now (audiofire 12).
[23:18] <zenguitar> OvenWerks: Great!  It's nice to not have to fiddle around to get the FW device working for once.
[23:57] <zenguitar> OvenWerks: Great news I got it working - workaround actually. I plugged the powered USB board into the front USB2.0 port (which was working for the Logitech receiver) and anything plugged in to that works. So there must be some internal motherboard cabling issue that I will have to fix later.


[11:48] <balloons> pitti, bug 1602192 has proven to be fascinating -- good work on tracking it down
[11:49] <balloons> 13 truly is an unlucky number
[12:00] <tsimonq2> hey balloons! \o/
[12:27] <pitti> balloons: heh, I hear 13 is rather reproducible indeed :)
[12:27] <pitti> irrefutable proof of unlucky numbers indeed!


[15:03] <ttx> persia: feeling like doing a java team meeting ?
[15:03] <persia> Yeah!
[15:03] <ttx> not drunken enough, I see.
[15:04] <persia> It's only 23:00 here :)


[01:29] <lucidone> On a k8s cloud (openstack magnum), am I responsible for deploying an ingress controller? (and cert-manager etc) are there charms for doing that?
[01:36] <lucidone> `juju expose $app` isn't doing much without a controller - which makes sense
[09:13] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: around to talk about the cmd init thing?
[09:14] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, sure
[09:14] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: need to get my coffee, meet in 5 min?
[09:14] <stickupkid> sure
[09:47] <nammn_de1> anyone ptal please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11022 2.7 into develop
[11:20] <stickupkid> manadart, that took some doing, external controllers can now be imported :)
[11:20] <manadart> stickupkid: Sweet.
[11:20] <stickupkid> manadart, i'm just cleaning up the github PR page, but it's read for review
[11:20] <stickupkid> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11008
[11:27] <stickupkid> manadart, I've added some qa steps etc
[11:35] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: in jenkins, the parameters which are set, are those set as env?
[11:35] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, depends
[11:35] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: easy way to find out?
[11:36] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, most if not all are set directly via parameter builds and others can be buildvars
[11:36] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, yeah look at the job
[11:36] <stickupkid> *job config
[11:37] <nammn_de1> ah lol, I was looking at it. Thanks, I just realized why I got confused. We had some which used a `region` but never used it in the config
[11:37] <nammn_de1> and then I had the thought, well someone might had something in mind doing it. Probably a env :D
[11:39] <stickupkid> nammn_de1, most if not all should be parameters
[11:39] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: got it
[14:31] <nammn_de1> stickupkid manadart hml: the region addition thing: https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/juju-qa-jenkins/pull/348
[14:32] <nammn_de1> while at it: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11022 just checked,  thumper https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11019 merge does not include the other PR merges
[14:33] <nammn_de1> thumper ff is around 20 hours old, while the pr i include are newer as it seems
[14:34] <nammn_de1> reason is mostly only my test-branches change
[14:53] <stickupkid> ah, feels good - 100% coverage https://pastebin.canonical.com/p/SbXGPvGZyC/
[15:05] <nammn_de1> rick_h: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/11024
[15:05] <nammn_de1> works as described
[15:05] <nammn_de1> now
[15:16] <nammn_de1> stickupkid: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/develop/cmd/juju/firewall/setrule.go#L33-L35 as wallyworld said before, we only support ssh right now. The others can be set but don't have an effect yet. How do we want to handle that? Removing them? Adding a pointer that they are not implemented yet, but eventually will be ?
[15:16] <nammn_de1> rick_h^
[15:20] <stickupkid> manadart, considering this folder is 100% independant from state, I wonder if we should move it to core https://github.com/juju/juju/tree/develop/state/migrations
[15:23] <manadart> stickupkid: Maybe into the migration package at the root, as that stuff isn't used ubiquitously.
[15:23] <stickupkid> manadart, legit
[16:15] <rick_h> nammn_de1:  looking
[16:38] <nammn_de1> rick_h: yes, it does exactly that :D
[16:47] <stickupkid> manadart, you around?
[16:53] <rick_h> nammn_de1:  ok
[16:54] <stickupkid> rick_h, quick ho, I have a question around firewall rules...
[16:54] <stickupkid> ?
[16:56] <rick_h> stickupkid:  omw
[17:33] <stickupkid> rick_h, solved it, I've made some clean up to simplify :D
[17:36] <rick_h> woot
[19:40] <timClicks> A good thread is emerging on discourse around the use of public charms: https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/-/2446
[19:41] <rick_h> yea, definitely points out we need to be ahead of the game a little bit with the snap store changes to namespaces and such
[19:41] <rick_h> take some getting used to
[19:50] <nammn_de1> rick_h: thanks!


[18:35] <decon> exit
[18:46] <decon> Hey all, I've just done a minor "apt upgrade" with 22.04 LTS on two servers. One of them worked perfectly, and on the other, I have this strange situation where if I type "netplan apply", I lose internet connectivity on one of the NICs, and then after about 2.5 minutes, connectivity is restored
[18:47] <decon> the second NIC still works perfectly throughout, and I can access the server via the internal network on that NIC
[18:47] <decon> both servers are pretty much identically configured, and this doesn't happen on the other server
[18:47] <decon> can anyone think of a reason that "netplan apply" would suddenly break things, but only for 2.5 minutes please?
[18:48] <decon> it's a pretty simply dhcp setup on the NIC that loses connectivity
[18:50] <decon> I did a diff between the two netplan configs, and the only significant difference is the MAC addresses
[18:53] <rfm> decon, no idea what causes the difference, but setting critical: true on the interface in netplan might paper over the problem
[18:54] <decon> rfm thanks, will try
[18:54] <decon> it's a production server, so every time i try something, i get painful downtime
[18:55] <decon> the netplan docs say "special care will be taken by to not release the assigned IP"
[18:56] <decon> i guess that's a DHCP reference
[18:56] <decon> maybe I should just hard-code the ip/gateway instead of using dhcp
[19:02] <rfm> using static would at least tell if the problem is dhcp.  (I'd also look in syslog curing the apply)
[19:12] <decon> rfm ouch, downtime again when i changed to static IP and then did a "netplan try". /var/log/syslog doesn't contain anything relevant as far as I can see
[19:13] <decon> this is so weird. both the servers were ordered at the same time, and I configured them both identically
[19:17] <decon> and critical: true doesn't help with
[19:17] <decon> either*
[19:18] <decon> although I noticed downtime was closer to 1.5 mins instead of 2.5 mins when critial: true specified
[19:29] <decon> i wonder if it's due to me having disabled ipv6
[19:29] <frickler> decon: you might want to use this to enable debug logging for systemd-networkd (assuming you didn't override the default backend) https://paste.opendev.org/show/byR0wW4fwpKqsbEvf0kF/
[19:31] <decon> frickler ooh, thanks, will try
[19:38] <decon> frickler lol this is so strange. i followed the instructions here https://superuser.com/a/1234599 to enable debugging as you mentioned, and now "netplan apply" gives no downtime. this is so confusing.
[21:21] <kenyon> decon: don't disable IPv6
[22:08] <znf> needrestart is probably the most obnoxious package that 22.04 shipped with
[22:26] <decon> kenyon do you think that is what tripped it up?
[22:27] <decon> i think i will re-enable it, i just have to make sure i set up persistent ip6tables first
[22:28] <decon> it just occurred to me that one of the main differences between the server that had problems and the server that didn't, is that the server with the problems had more than one public IP address assigned to the NIC
[22:29] <decon> but everything was working fine until I did a regular "apt upgrade" and then reboot
[22:55] <kenyon> decon: could be, because that's a config that likely doesn't get much testing, since it's bad practice
[22:56] <kenyon> decon: if there were multiple addresses, also make sure there weren't multiple default routes, assuming only one would be valid. that's a common misconfiguration that I see
[23:16] <decon> kenyon why might it be bad practice? The server has its own primary IP address for admin access only, but then also has secondary IPs for web sites hosted. This allows fail-over if the server goes down, because the switch can direct the traffic to a backup web server NIC instead
[23:19] <patdk-lap> I dunno why it would be bad, it's common usage to have many ips on the same nic
[23:21] <patdk-lap> if multible ips per nic is bad practice, then keepalived/pacemaker/ipvs are horrid creations
[23:22] <patdk-lap> have ips from the same subnet bound to many nics attached to the same subnet will cause a lot of pain though unless managed carefully
[23:25] <decon> patdk-lap thanks, yeah i won't span them over multiple NICs.


[00:40] <lool> built on amd64 armel and i386
[08:55] <Ubuntu-firsttime> Question - which version of Ubuntu would best suit a Toshiba Satellite laptop?
[08:56] <Ubuntu-firsttime> T2300 processor - 1 mb ram
[08:57] <Ubuntu-firsttime> have installed 11.4 but seems to run very slow
[08:57] <Ubuntu-firsttime> Can anyone help?
[12:13] <cjwatson> lool: thanks


[02:00] <Swabboy> Hello
[02:01] <aidian> evening
[02:01] <grantbow> hi swabboy, welcome back from the holidaze.
[02:01] <grantbow> any visitors to dvlug.org tonight?
[02:02] <aidian> no, i've never been down to a dvlug before, but i should!
[02:03] <grantbow> are you using the web chat on ubuntu-california.org ? it still works ok.
[02:03] <grantbow> hi aidian, I haven't been up to lugod in a while
[02:03] <aidian> grantbow: our 20th anniversary is on jan 21  :)
[02:04] <grantbow> cool
[02:04] <grantbow> I saw you mentioned there's a farmer's market where they have a booth?
[02:04] <grantbow> 1st sat in feb?
[02:04] <aidian> yes indeed, the davis farmer's market, we've been putting up a booth there every couple months. next one is scheduled for feb 9
[02:04] <grantbow> 2nd, cool
[02:05] <grantbow> we used to do one for berkeleylug at the solano stroll annually. it's challenging but fun to talk to people as they walk by.
[02:06] <grantbow> so this will be the 4th event?
[02:06] <aidian> yeah, at least under the current administration. lugod used to do booths more regularly in the 00's
[02:07] <grantbow> yeah, it takes some effort
[02:07] <aidian> can confirm, eheh. it can be a bit grueling at times
[02:07] <grantbow> ah, I didn't know about #lugod, cool
[02:08] <aidian> indeed :)
[02:09] <grantbow> how is Cafe La Scala, swabboy?
[02:09] <grantbow> we try to meet twice monthly in walnut creek
[02:10] <grantbow> aidian, have you reached out to any local news stations about ubuntu releases?
[02:11] <aidian> no i have not! is that a thing that people do?
[02:11] <grantbow> it was an idea we discussed a bit
[02:12] <Swabboy> Not there tonight. At sister in laws place for dinner with family
[02:13] <Swabboy> Been so busy I forgot it was a dvlug night. Lolz
[02:13] <grantbow> local politicians too but we didn't have much momentum. you can see the project at the bottom of wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects
[02:13] <aidian> hrm. is dvlug's mailing list non-functional?
[02:13] <grantbow> lol, ok :-)
[02:13] <grantbow> we have two
[02:13] <grantbow> we haven't finished the migration
[02:13] <grantbow> and I need to take another look
[02:13] <grantbow> thanks for the reminder
[02:15] <grantbow> swabboy oh, please eat!
[02:16] <Swabboy> Were don. No worries
[02:17] <Swabboy> My wife even asked me after work why I wasn't at dvlug. Hehe
[02:18] <grantbow> lol, holidaze
[02:18] <grantbow> we have some family over tonight here as well