[01:13] <MTecknology> beuno: ping
[03:26] <mrooney> Will upgrading my bzr in Intrepid fix this: "Selected-file commit of merges is not supported yet"
[03:26] <mrooney> or, is there a way to merge just one file
[03:31] <jml> mrooney: #bzr is probably a better place to ask that question.
[03:32] <jml> mrooney: but you can 'bzr revert --forget-merges' iirc, which will leave all the content changes from the merge, but forget the other stuff.
[03:35] <mrooney> jml: oh yeah, I meant to ask there, sorry :)
[03:36] <mrooney> but I have to merge again later, so I fear forgetting that history could be problematic
[03:37] <jml> mrooney: well, you can do an experiment easily enough
[03:37] <jml> mrooney: 'bzr branch target-branch experiment; cd experiment; bzr merge ../source-branch; ...'
[03:38] <jml> mrooney: but my experience with bzr is that conflicts are nothing to be afraid of.
[03:38] <mrooney> you haven't used translations enough :)
[03:40] <nhandler> When were the PPAs updated to show the contents of the .deb files and the .changes file in the build log?
[03:48] <ausimage> I think there might be an error in the ppa help to add keys on the terminal :/
[03:48] <ausimage> though I am still stuck with wierd errors
[05:07] <poolie> jml: that's the second time today i've seen "no address associated with hostname" when the plugin is trying to talk to the lp xmlrpc server
[05:08] <poolie> networking seems ok for me in other regards
[05:08] <poolie> i wonder if there's a problem in dns somewhere
[05:09] <spm> poolie: resolver timeout perhaps?
[07:21] <MTecknology> I didn't realize just how massive karma is given from blueprints - I gained 15k from it....
[08:19] <mtaylor> launchpad people - love the email code review thing. kudos!
[08:19] <mtaylor> now, just get me a bzr merge-request plugin (or something like it) so I can submit merge requests via command line and I'll be set!
[08:19] <spiv> I think bzr send can already do that?
[08:20] <spiv> Possibly not with the default options, though.
[08:28] <BjornT> mtaylor: what spiv said. we do something like 'bzr send --no-bundle<EMAIL_ADDRESS>not sure whether the --no-bundle is required, perhaps it's just there to make the merge request prettier.
[09:39] <MTecknology> kiko: ping
[09:39] <kiko> MTecknology, hey
[09:39] <MTecknology> really, fast
[09:39] <MTecknology> kiko: did you see that release we made with the LoCo Drupal thing?
[09:40] <kiko> nope! where is it?
[09:40] <mtaylor> BjornT: fascinating. I'll have to try that
[09:40] <MTecknology> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1827
[09:40] <MTecknology> brb - while you check it out
[09:43] <MTecknology> kiko: what do you think?
[09:44] <kiko> wow, this is very neat!
[09:45] <kiko> let me show this off today
[09:45] <MTecknology> would you support my application for membership?
[09:45] <MTecknology> ok :)
[09:45] <kiko> I would, definitely
[09:45] <MTecknology> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[09:47] <MTecknology> kiko: so I can count on you being around in there?
[09:48] <kiko> damn, friday
[09:48] <kiko> maybe. I need to go to brasilia that day
[09:48] <MTecknology> ?
[09:48] <kiko> ?
[09:49] <MTecknology> is that going to be hard to make?
[09:49] <MTecknology> that's thursday for me :P
[09:50] <kiko> it might, I'll try, but you can ask joey too, who can probably make it if I can't
[09:51] <MTecknology> I was going to ask him too :PO
[09:51] <MTecknology> Could you toss something on my wiki in case you don't?
[09:53] <MTecknology> Well, I'm looking at less than 3hr sleep tonight
[09:53] <MTecknology> I'll talk to ya'll later
[09:53] <MTecknology> kiko: thanks for your support :)
[09:54] <MTecknology> kiko: I know you can shoot an email into the list too if you can't make it.
[09:54] <MTecknology> good night :D
[09:57] <kiko> cool
[09:57] <kiko> will do
[10:09] <zigo-----> jamesh are you online?
[10:11] <zigo-----> I was wondering if you had a .deb read for pygpgme as it's blocking to boostrap a CentOS with yum on a Lenny, ATM.
[10:11] <zigo-----> Lenny will be out next saturday, and it WONT be in ... :(
[10:24] <persia> When a package is copied from a P3A into the Ubuntu archive, is there any way to retrieve the build log?
[10:28] <bigjools> persia: yes, it should become public
[10:28] <persia> bigjools, How should I navigate to it?
[10:29] <bigjools> there's a bug that prevents display of the normal portlet but there's another way - which package?
[10:29] <persia> linux : 2.6.24-23.48
[10:31] <bigjools> okay let me check
[10:31] <jtv> Happy<PHONE_NUMBER> day, everyone!  http://www.1234567890day.com/
[10:33] <bigjools> jtv: http://www.coolepochcountdown.com/
[10:34] <jtv> bigjools: ah, had to allow some scripts before it started working… wonder what they use Google APIs for?
[10:34] <bigjools> who knows these days, I get so many damn cookies from google
[10:36] <jtv> bigjools: funny how you worry about these things when you get warnings, despite the fact that you've survived thus far without any protection
[10:37] <bigjools> noscript + cookie filtering makes my web pages load quicker.  Nuff said.
[10:38] <kiko> it also makes launchpad bonk :)
[10:38] <bigjools> bonk?!
[10:39] <bigjools> persia: go here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.24-23.48
[10:40] <bigjools> persia: click on a binary package link, then one of the arch-specific packages on the right
[10:40] <bigjools> and there's a link to the build on that page
[10:40] <persia> What's the title of the link?
[10:40] <bigjools> on the bright side, we're fixing all this, honest
[10:41] <bigjools> an example would be "amd64 build of linux 2.6.24-23.48 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE "
[10:41] <persia> I know :)  I just want it today, so am looking for the dirty hack, as my own experimentation with URL hacking didn't get me where I wanted.
[10:41] <bigjools> look here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/amd64/linux-libc-dev/2.6.24-23.48
[10:43] <persia> Got it.  Thanks.
[10:43] <bigjools> great, let me know if you need anything else
[10:44] <persia> bigjools, Not in any immediate timeframe.  That's enough that I can dig for arbitrary package and arch next time this arises until the portlet is available again.
[10:44] <bigjools> persia: if you need another, start from the /ubuntu/+source/<name>/<version> page
[10:45] <bigjools> we're also going to work on exposing these builds in the API soon
[10:45] <persia> Not from /ubuntu/release/arch/binary-package/version?
[10:45] <bigjools> or there if you want
[10:46] <persia> When it's not P3A, I usually start from /ubuntu/+source/package and click the handy link for whichever release I want.  It's just the embargoed stuff that's tricky (or even potentially embargoed).
[10:50] <bigjools> yes, there's a bug :(
[11:19] <zigo-----> jamesh: found http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/p/pygpgme/pygpgme_0.1-1.dsc, so it's ok, forget it.
[11:42] <jefferai> Hey there...can someone help me with managing my PPA?  I made a build of some packages, although since they told me to use debuild and not debuild -S -sa, it was a binary build
[11:43] <jefferai> which I then uploaded to my PPA by doing a dput on the changes file
[11:43] <jefferai> it's not showing up in my PPA, but it also seems to be sitting there wasting space
[11:43] <bigjools> jefferai: how do you know it's using space if it's not showing in your PPA?
[11:43] <jefferai> I did rebuild the package with debuild -S -sa and am in the middle of doing a dput on the _source.changes file (as opposed to the _i386.changes file)
[11:44] <jefferai> bigjools: well, it spent the time uploading all the packages, and when I ran dput on the i386.changes file again (mistakenly) it said it was already uploaded
[11:45] <bigjools> jefferai: use dpuf -f to force it, it's a local check
[11:45] <jefferai> yeah, but I don't want to upload it again
[11:45] <jefferai> I want to clear those contents from the PPA
[11:45] <bigjools> you original upload will have been rejected
[11:45] <jefferai> ah
[11:45] <jefferai> ok
[11:45] <bigjools> we don't allow binary uploads
[11:45] <jefferai> so it uploaded all of it, and then it was rejected?
[11:45] <bigjools> yes, you should have received an email
[11:46]  * jefferai checks
[11:46] <bigjools> if you didn't, then you didn't sign the upload correctly
[11:46] <jefferai> ah yep
[11:46] <jefferai> got it
[11:46] <bigjools> great
[11:46] <jefferai> sorry, new to packaging things
[11:46] <bigjools> np, we all had to start somewhere!
[11:46] <jefferai> so once the _source.changes completes, then it should enter the build process at some point
[11:47] <jefferai> once that's successfully done, the package will become available?
[11:47] <bigjools> yes, you can follow the progress on your PPA page
[11:47] <jefferai> great
[11:48] <bigjools> thanks for using PPAs!  I'd like to hear your feedback
[11:53] <jefferai> bigjools: a bit hard to get started, is all
[11:54] <jefferai> other than that, the scripts took care of pretty much everything
[11:54] <bigjools> great
[11:54] <jefferai> of course, my packages were easy since they're slight mods to some packages already built for jaunty, but for intrepid
[11:59] <oubiwann> rockstar: ping
[11:59] <oubiwann> jml: ping
[12:01] <radix> any code hosting guys around?
[12:01] <radix> having a problem pushing branches to launchpad ("can't install revision" errors)
[12:05] <spiv> radix: I'm sad to say that's more likely to be a bzr bug :(
[12:05] <radix> spiv: okie doke
[12:06] <radix> oubiwann: can you tell spiv the location of a branch with this problem?
[12:06] <Laney> I cannot figure out how to make an upstream link for a package. Can someone help?
[12:06] <Laney> What is an upstream series?
[12:08] <oubiwann> spiv: getting the link...
[12:08] <Laney> The error "<structured-string 'Invalid series given.'>" is most unhelpful
[12:08] <spiv> oubiwann: the traceback from ~/.bzr.log is more likely to be useful
[12:09] <oubiwann> https://code.launchpad.net/~oubiwann/landscape-client/328990-landscape-mocker-hides-exception
[12:09] <oubiwann> spiv: cool, I'll take a look
[12:09] <radix> launchpad (when you view the branch page) is also showing the error
[12:09] <spiv> Oh, error in the mirrorer.
[12:09] <radix> but you also get it when you just "brancH"
[12:09] <spiv> Ok, *that* might well be a codehosting bug :)
[12:09] <oubiwann> spiv: I get the same error locally, too
[12:10] <spiv> But it might also be an error in the repo.
[12:10] <radix> though maybe it's being corrupted during the upload, yeah
[12:10] <spiv> I'd guess that it'll fail a 'bzr check'.
[12:11] <spiv> It's late here, but definitely open a bug on both launchpad-bazaar and bzr with the details.  A way to reproduce locally with bzr would be great.
[12:11] <jefferai> bigjools: actually, got another question for you
[12:12] <bigjools> fire away
[12:12] <oubiwann> spiv: https://pastebin.canonical.com/13832/
[12:12] <jefferai> is there a way to control the number of make jobs that a  debuild uses when compiling something locally, without it killing the build server on launchpad?
[12:12] <bigjools> Laney: let me get someone to help you with that
[12:13] <Laney> bigjools: I think I have to register a new project, right?
[12:14] <bac> hi laney
[12:14] <Laney> howdy
[12:14] <Laney> I'm not sure that launchpad supports this bug tracker actually
[12:14] <bac> Laney: what is it you're trying to do?
[12:14] <bigjools> jefferai: I'm not sure, you could ask in #ubuntu-motu.
[12:15] <Laney> bac: I am trying to link bug #329018 to http://prototype.lighthouseapp.com/projects/8886/tickets/216-improve-initial-loading-speed
[12:15] <Laney> but there's no upstream project registered for this package
[12:15] <Laney> dholbach has given me some links though
[12:15] <jefferai> bigjools: ok, thanks
[12:16] <spiv> oubiwann: hmm, nothing obvious jumps out at me.  My best guess is some issue in the repository itself.
[12:16] <oubiwann> spiv: thanks for taking a look!
[12:17] <oubiwann> spiv: and have a good rest-of-your-night ;-)
[12:19] <bac> laney, i'm looking. give me a sec.
[12:19] <Laney> thanks
[12:21] <bac> intellectronica: do you know anything about our support for the bug tracker laney referenced ^^ ?
[12:23]  * intellectronica looking
[12:24] <intellectronica> Laney: what kind of bug tracker is this? i don't think i've seen it before
[12:24] <Laney> I don't know
[12:25] <intellectronica> ah, looks like it's some kind of new hosted service - lighthouse
[12:25] <Laney> I guess it's custom for this lighthouse issue tracking service
[12:25] <Laney> but I see that there is an API
[12:25] <intellectronica> Laney: we don't support it, but file a bug about it. we may try to tackle that in the future
[12:25] <Laney> sre
[12:25] <Laney> sure*
[12:26] <intellectronica> Laney: thanks
[12:26] <bac> thanks intellectronica
[12:26] <bigjools> thanks for helping, intellectronica and bac
[12:26] <Laney> intellectronica: There's already bug #236541 for this actually
[12:27] <Laney> thanks for your help guys
[12:27] <intellectronica> ah cool
[13:01] <apw> how long after a package appears Published in a PPA should i expect to wait befroe it appears in apt-get update/upgrade ?
[13:04] <bigjools> apw: once published, it should be instant
[13:06] <apw> cirtainly wasn't that, and indeed it went published, then i waited a while (retrying frequently) and i got a main publisher update, then the next update it got the ppa
[13:06] <apw> wonder if it gets held off for the main publisher runs
[13:09] <c_korn> hello, I have a large orig.tar.gz in my PPA and I just edited the diff.gz. Is there a way to upload without uploading the orig.tar.gz again? I tried with debuild -S -sd but the upload was rejected because of missing orig.tar.gz
[13:10] <bigjools> apw: ah that's the source status, you need to wait for it to build
[13:10] <bigjools> apw: once it's built wait up to 20 minutes for the binaries to be published
[13:10] <apw> oh hmmm, it had built by then.
[13:10] <apw> ahh ok
[13:11] <bigjools> we're going to make this status more obvious in a page redesign soon
[13:11] <apw> binary status would be handy for sure
[13:11] <bigjools> c_korn: yes, just upload w/o the orig but reference it in your dsc
[13:11] <c_korn> so I have to build with debuild -S -sa`
[13:11] <c_korn> ?
[13:12] <bigjools> I don't know the debuild options
[13:12] <bigjools> someone in #ubuntu-motu can help
[13:12] <c_korn> ok, thanks. I will try
[13:48] <jblount> Is there a simple way to confirm that I have my ssh key setup correctly? I seem to be having some trouble (Permission denied (publickey).)
[14:02] <beuno> jblount, ssh bazaar.launchpad.net?
[14:04] <jblount> beuno: Same failure. My key must have gotten fouled up somehow.
[14:04] <jblount> Thanks though!
[14:04] <beuno> jblount, maybe it's an issue with the username
[14:05] <beuno> jblount, try setting in ~/.ssh/config:
[14:05] <beuno> Host bazaar.launchpad.net
[14:05] <beuno>     User whateveryourusernameonlaunchpais
[14:06] <jblount> beuno: Yeah, that's all there. My ssh key seems to be the same as the one associated with my launchpad account also.
[14:06] <jblount> beuno: It was all working wednesday, not sure what might have changed.
[14:06] <soren> jblount: Which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[14:07] <soren> (assuming you're indeed running Ubuntu)
[14:07] <jblount> 9.04
[14:07] <jblount> soren: ^^
[14:07] <soren> jblount: Then it might be a known problem.
[14:07] <soren> Hang on
[14:07]  * beuno is running 9.04 without any problems
[14:08] <soren> beuno: As am I.
[14:08] <jblount> beuno: I also can't login to various top secret work servers, so I'm guessing the problem is with me and not LP
[14:09] <soren> jblount: Hm... I can't find the bug report anymore. Maybe it was fixed...
[14:10] <jblount> soren: Thanks for the assist. I'll try to track it down elsewhere :)
[14:10] <soren> jblount: I saw two bug reports on this very subject yesterday. Hang on.
[14:10] <soren> jblount: Do you get an agent error at all?
[14:11] <soren> jblount: Or just the simple failure?
[14:11] <jblount> No, just the "Permission denied (publickey). from bzr
[14:12] <soren> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/328445
[14:12] <soren> jblount: What if you don't use bzr, but ssh directly?
[14:12] <jblount> soren: The same error sadly.
[14:14] <soren> jblount: Ok. Might be a different problem, then.
[14:21] <domas> statik: are you ever here? :)
[14:22] <statik> domas: of course, of course
[14:22] <domas> hah! that was surprising! :)
[14:22] <domas> saw you always idle for weeks
[14:22] <statik> but i'm always causing trouble in the other rooms
[14:22] <domas> statik: hello! :)
[14:22] <domas> I recently was playing with lots of lp features for my pet project hosting (lp:mydumper :)
[14:23] <statik> domas: hello yourself! ooh, what does it do?
[14:23] <domas> statik: 10x faster mysqldump :)
[14:23] <domas> parallelizes consistent snapshot reads
[14:24] <statik> very nice. so is launchpad doing what you want it to?
[14:24] <domas> still lacking few features
[14:25] <domas> project wiki hosting, one-click publishing from BZR to .tar.gz ;-)
[14:25] <domas> maybe better integration between series/release marking with branch tagging
[14:30] <domas> argh, disconnected
[14:30] <domas> right now major lacking feature seems to be no documentation hosting
[14:31] <domas> answers are a bit limited for that, and didn't find easy way to export them :)
[14:31] <domas> project wikis could help, I guess
[15:48] <jblount> soren: Thanks for the troubleshooting earlier, I was able to work with Launchpad from a VT so it seems to be some regression in Jaunty with Seahorse.
[15:55] <MTecknology> what's matt revells irc name?
[15:57] <jpds> MTecknology: mrevell.
[15:57] <mrevell> hey there MTecknology
[15:57] <MTecknology> hi
[15:58] <MTecknology> mrevell: I'm up for doing that
[15:59] <MTecknology> I don't have a whole lot of time right now since I had a crap load of projects piled on my for school though. So I might not make it right away into the next podcast
[16:00] <MTecknology> Test time: I'll bbiab
[16:04] <kirkland> so I'm the owner of a team in launchpad, ~ecryptfs-devel, which has a mailing list
[16:04] <kirkland> i'm subscribed to the mailing list
[16:04] <kirkland> but I do not receive any of the mail sent to that list
[16:04] <kirkland> can an admin tell what's wrong?
[16:04] <kirkland> i receive moderation messages
[16:04] <beuno> kirkland, have you checked that you're subscribed?
[16:04] <kirkland> when a non-subscriber sends a message
[16:04] <kirkland> beuno: ack
[16:05] <kirkland> beuno: " You are subscribed to the team mailing list.  "
[16:05] <beuno> kirkland, in https://edge.launchpad.net/~LPUSERNAME/+editemails
[16:06] <kirkland> beuno: true, i'm subscribed there too
[16:06]  * beuno is out of ideas and calls for barry-away or sinzui
[16:06] <kirkland> beuno: i'm subscribed to several lists there, and i receive mails to those other lists
[16:06]  * barry reads scrollback
[16:06] <kirkland> beuno: i'm wondering if there's something kooky going on, with me owning the list?
[16:07] <kirkland> beuno: b/c i don't administer any of the other lists i'm subscribed to
[16:08] <beuno> kirkland, not AFAIK, pero barry's married to mailman, so he should know
[16:08] <sinzui> kirkland: which team is the problem for you?
[16:08] <kirkland> beuno: barry's married to a mailman?  wow, what a life :-)
[16:08] <kirkland> :-P
[16:08] <kirkland> sinzui: ecryptfs-devel
[16:09] <barry> kirkland: sometimes, it sure feels that way!
[16:09] <barry> kirkland: and divorce lawyers are expensive!
[16:09] <kirkland> barry: :-)
[16:10]  * kirkland will understand when barry goes postal one day, then
[16:10] <barry> kirkland: reading the scrollback.  are you using gmail?
[16:10] <kirkland> barry: for my mailing list subscriptions, yes
[16:10] <kirkland> barry: is that a problem?
[16:10] <barry> kirkland: it's a faq.  let me find it for you
[16:11] <kirkland> barry: whoops, okay
[16:12] <barry> kirkland: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list
[16:12] <mrevell> MTecknology: Great stuff, let me know when is a good time for you
[16:12] <barry> kirkland: there's a link to this faq from the help wiki i'm pretty sure, let me see if i can find it
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: hmm, this isn't about the mail that i send
[16:13] <barry> kirkland: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/MailingLists#troubleshooting
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: this is about mail sent by others to the list
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: i can see them in the archive
[16:13] <kirkland> barry: but they never end up in my inbox
[16:13] <barry> kirkland: hmm.  are these replies, or every message?
[16:14] <sinzui> kirkland: Are you listed on this page (you can only see it if you are a tram admin though): https://launchpad.net/~ecryptfs-devel/+mailing-list-subscribers
[16:14] <sinzui> We should really make that page public like the membership page
[16:14] <kirkland> sinzui: yes, i'm on that list
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: for instance, the archive is here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ecryptfs-devel/
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: that last message "Don't duplicate provided mount options"
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: from Tyler to the list
[16:15] <kirkland> barry: did not make it to my inbox (or spam folder)
[16:15] <barry> sinzui: or at least available to MLE's :)
[16:16] <barry> kirkland: do you see any messages on this list in your inbox?
[16:16] <kirkland> barry: only the ones that required moderation
[16:16] <kirkland> barry: in which case i get the moderation notice
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: but not the message text
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: "Maybe a bug" required moderation
[16:17] <barry> kirkland: so you never see any messages that are posted through the mailing list?
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: it was at that point i decided "WTF" ... I'm not getting any of these messages :-)
[16:17] <kirkland> barry: nope :-)
[16:17] <barry> ;)  okay, more dumb questions...
[16:18] <barry> kirkland: are you on any other lp mailing lists and do you see any of those postings?
[16:18] <kirkland> barry: yes, i think so, let me verify ....
[16:18]  * barry almost typed "malign lists", which seems oddly appropriate
[16:21] <kirkland> barry: yes, i'm definitely getting messages posted to the ubuntu-bugcontrol list
[16:21] <barry> kirkland: okay, that only makes things more confusing! :)
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: no kidding ...
[16:22] <barry> kirkland: because i can't think of anything fundamentally different between the two mailing lists that would cause one to fall in your inbox but not the other
[16:22] <barry> kirkland: my standard answer would be "check your junk" folder, but you've done that already
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: ownership is the only thing i can think of
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: i "own" ~ecryptfs-devel
[16:22] <kirkland> barry: but not bugcontrol
[16:23] <kirkland> barry: i was thinking there might be some error in the delivery logic
[16:23] <kirkland> barry: whatever prunes mail that would be sent to someone for multiple reasons
[16:23] <barry> kirkland: that's a difference, but it shouldn't matter.  i own ~haibunku and i get messages from it
[16:24] <barry> kirkland: when you visit launchpad.net/~encryptfs-devel you definitely see that you are the owner of the team and you are subscribed to the team mailing list, right?
[16:24] <kirkland> barry: okay, i just unsubscribed, and subscribed again
[16:24] <kirkland> barry: absolutely
[16:24] <kirkland> barry: could you push a test message to that list?
[16:25] <kirkland> now that i unsubscribed, and resubscribed
[16:25] <barry> kirkland: when you go to ~kirkland/+editemails, you see the subscription with the address you expect, right?
[16:25] <barry> kirkland: will do
[16:25] <kirkland> barry: right.  i just now changed *all* of my maliing list subscriptions to use my "Preferred" address, as opposed to defining each one independently
[16:26] <kirkland> barry: i'm hoping that change in my settings will trigger a rewrite of whatever config file is handling this
[16:26] <barry> kirkland: ok.  let me post a message.  you may have to approve it
[16:26] <kirkland> barry: right
[16:26] <barry> kirkland: it will.  actually let me give it a few minutes.  it can take a little while to get the changes pushed out to mailman
[16:26] <kirkland> barry: understood
[16:26] <barry> (there's a lag in subscription updates, should be no more than 5 minutes)
[16:26] <kirkland> ack
[16:27]  * kirkland finds it odd that he's actively trying to receive MORE mail :-)
[16:27] <kirkland> alas, this is mail i need to receive though :-P
[16:28] <barry> kirkland: that is indeed a personality disorder, of which i am the poster child
[16:28] <barry> kirkland: all emails need to be needed!
[16:29] <kirkland> barry: then you don't read debian-devel :-)
[16:29] <barry> :-D
[16:29]  * kirkland sighs about the wolfman perfume thread
[16:32] <barry> kirkland: message sent
[16:33] <kirkland> barry: moderation approved
[16:33] <barry> kirkland: let me know if you see it
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: bingo!
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: sweet, thanks
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: i'm going to assume it was the unsubscribe/resubscribed that fixed this for me
[16:34] <kirkland> barry: i'll let you know if i see anything like this again
[16:34] <barry> kirkland: great!  i don't really know what happened, but i'm just happy that the gremlins will go bother someone else for a while :)
[16:35] <barry> kirkland: sounds good
[16:35] <janko> Hello. Any admins willing to help with my lanuchpad problems?
[16:35] <janko> I cannot see my bugs (reported bym, or subscribed to; or comment ...)
[16:35] <kirkland> barry: cheers, have a good friday ;-)
[16:35] <janko> bym=by me
[16:35] <barry> thanks, you too!
[16:37] <MTecknology> mrevell: I will need to give some special credit to the guy that did most of it, but he wants me to do the thing
[16:37] <sladen> estimated build time starts may go up aswell as down
[16:37] <MTecknology> mrevell: what do I need to do to be able to do it?
[16:37] <sladen> ...how are they estimated?
[16:37] <MTecknology> mrevell: oh, I'
[16:37] <mrevell> cprov: can you help sladen?
[16:38] <mrevell> hello sladen, btw
[16:38] <mrevell> MTecknology: Skype's probably the easiest way to do it, for me. I can get a very nice recording from a Skype call
[16:38] <sladen> hullo Mr. Revell
[16:38] <cprov> sladen: hi, build ETA is based on the build order
[16:39] <MTecknology> mrevell: oh, I'm applying for membership on Fri 0300 ; would you be willing to stop in and support me?
[16:39] <sladen> mrevell: oh more to the point, is there anything that could be done to make the esimate closer to reality (eg. you are in a queue of X, your call is important to us)
[16:39] <cprov> sladen: a sum of how long each build with higher priority will take to be processed
[16:40] <cprov> sladen: the build duration is based on how long the previous source version took to build.
[16:40] <sladen> cprov: so it goes up (gets repeatedly pushed back) by higher-priority stuff arrivig whilst its queued?
[16:40]  * oojah_ waves at sladen
[16:40] <cprov> sladen: yes
[16:40] <cprov> sladen: it also goes up when builds take longer than expected to build.
[16:41] <sladen> oojah: still in Nottingham?
[16:41] <oojah> Yup
[16:41] <mrevell> MTecknology: I'd love to but I'm likely to be in bed at that time
[16:41] <oojah> Although not at the lug much.
[16:41] <MTecknology> what tz are you?
[16:42] <mrevell> MTecknology: utc
[16:42] <oojah> sladen: How about you?
[16:42] <MTecknology> I'm -6 so that' only 21:00 for me
[16:42] <sladen> oojah: currently moored at Markey Drayton on the Shropshire Union
[16:42] <oojah> sladen: Oooh, nice.
[16:42] <MTecknology> mrevell: would you be willing to put something on my wiki and post to the list?
[16:42] <oojah> That sounds much better than being at work :)
[16:43] <sladen> cprov: ta.  I'll ponder if I come up with any better suggestions for presenting it (eg. there are X packages at this level and Y more important ones queued)
[16:44] <sladen> oojah: I am at work
[16:44] <cprov> sladen: sure, thanks, it's indeed far from perfection.
[16:46] <oojah> sladen: In that case :P
[16:54] <mrevell> MTecknology: Sure. Drop me an email to remind  me :)
[16:56] <bigjools> hmmm, I've corrected three questions filed on "apa" today that are really for Ubuntu, how are they making that mistake?
[17:01] <MTecknology> mrevell: Do you prerecord all conversations for the podcast?
[17:01] <mrevell> MTecknology: Yeah
[17:14] <MTecknology> joey: you around?
[17:14] <joey> MTecknology, yes. On a conf call
[17:14]  * Odd_Bloke imagines mrevell talking to cardboard cutouts of various Launchpad people.
[17:14] <joey> MTecknology, I just got a weird xchat dbus msg from you
[17:15] <MTecknology> sorry
[17:15] <mrevell> Odd_Bloke: heh
[17:15] <joey> MTecknology, no dialog, just a dbus msg that said "invited"
[17:15] <MTecknology> oh...
[17:15] <joey> MTecknology, no that was cool! I want to know how to do that
[17:15] <MTecknology> joey: I invited you to ##mteck
[17:15] <MTecknology>  /invite nick
[17:44] <janko> Hello again.    https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation    says I can find launchpad help here == Each week day, a member of the Launchpad team is available to help you with any Launchpad-related requests ==
[17:44] <janko> I cannot see bugs I have commented/subscribed to ...
[17:44] <janko> I can browse them of course, I can login to LP
[17:45] <janko> But I can see only few of them (older ones), not newer ones,  ty for any help
[17:45] <Odd_Bloke> bigjools: ^
[17:46] <bigjools> janko: can you give some examples?
[17:46] <janko> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/60911
[17:47] <bigjools> ok let me check it out
[17:47] <janko> bigjools:  ask more if u need more clear ...
[17:47] <janko> take your time, brb
[17:47] <janko> ty
[17:54] <bigjools> janko: I replied on your question
[17:54] <bigjools> summary: it's only showing open bugs
[17:54] <bigjools> EOD for me, bye all
[17:55] <Odd_Bloke> bigjools: o/
[17:55] <bigjools> ciao :)
[17:56] <janko> Yep i see it many thanks.
[17:57] <janko> bigjools: Thank you ;) and sry for your time waste :|
[17:57] <bigjools> janko: no problem!
[18:01] <thekorn> hi, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1?comments=all is giving me reproducible timeouts
[18:01] <thekorn> OOPS-1140EB255
[18:01] <beuno> thekorn, yeah, it
[18:01] <beuno> it's a known performance bug
[18:01] <beuno> people just keep on commenting, so it
[18:02] <beuno> it's a moving target
[18:02] <beuno> (I suck typing)
[18:02] <thekorn> ok, what about adding paging to comments :)
[18:03] <beuno> BjornT has all kinds of crazy ideas he's playing with
[18:03] <thekorn> ok, good to hear about this,
[18:05] <thekorn> I discussed it here some days ago, but this "only show first 80 comments" is not a solution, IMHO
[18:06] <Odd_Bloke> I dunno, I'd be surprised if there are any comments worth reading on bug #1. :p
[18:39] <kiko> I think if the bug has more than 80 comments comments should be disabled on it 8)
[18:40] <postalchris> Does Launchpad have Bazaar branches for each package? I.e., not the upstream branch, but the branch from which the package was created (with debian/control, etc)?
[18:41] <beuno> postalchris, not yes, but very soon. It's being worked on
[18:44] <postalchris> So say I want to create a branch of a package (in this case, a version of Amarok that uses libgpod4), what would be the best way to do that so I can easily share it with the community?
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> hi guys i need help
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> i cant login into launchpad using bzr
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> seif@Schroeder:~/Projects/gnome-doc-centric-playground$ bzr launchpad-login "Seif Lotfy"
[19:26] <seiflotfy1> bzr: ERROR: https://launchpad.net/%7ESeif%20Lotfy/%2Bsshkeys is permanently redirected to https://launchpad.net/~seif lotfy/+sshkeys
[19:36] <dsas_> seiflotfy1: iirs you need to use your nickname
[19:36] <dsas_> seiflotfy1: so seiflotfy
[19:37] <dsas_> or seif actually looking at it
[19:38] <beuno> muffinresearch, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bzr/+bug/86392
[19:39] <beuno> IMHO, it's the most common example
[19:53] <MTecknology> joey: you there?
[19:54] <joey> yes MTecknology but running a voice call
[19:55] <MTecknology> :P
[19:55] <MTecknology> I just got a blackberry today, I flushed my other phone down the toilet last night and a buddy was selling his
[19:56] <MTecknology> joey: I was hoping we could discuss what you were talking about though
[19:56] <joey> MTecknology, sure. Let Stu send you his email first though so you can read it
[19:56] <joey> MTecknology, ping me Monday afternoon if you don't have it
[19:57] <MTecknology> joey: ok - is there any general stuff I should change about how I'm doing things?
[19:57] <joey> MTecknology, it's a bunch of recommendations for structuring to make it easier to maintain... nothing that you are doing "wrong" but rather ideas on how to do it better
[19:58] <MTecknology> you want me to wait for that then, or any of it now?
[19:58] <MTecknology> I'm more than open to making things work better


[00:39] <Faqtotum> did i read that right? SCaLE is a month early this year?
[00:41] <pleia2> yeah, it's at the end of january
[00:44] <Faqtotum> why is that?
[00:45] <pleia2> I don't know :)
[00:45] <akk> Maybe that was when the venue was available.
[00:45] <pleia2> Gareth: why is SCaLE in January this year?
[00:45] <Faqtotum> there's a good chance i won't be able to make it
[00:56]  * Gareth tries to think of a funny, yet completely untrue answer but fails.
[00:57] <Gareth> the dates that we wanted to February were already taken by another event.  so we went to the weekend in January that we've got.
[00:57] <Faqtotum> ok
[00:58] <Gareth> unfortunately unavoidable.
[00:58] <Faqtotum> well, sure beats going back to the westin, i guess
[00:58] <pleia2> thanks Gareth :)
[00:58] <akk> Gareth: "We got a tip that Linux 3.0 was going to be released that weekend, and we didn't want to conflict."
[00:58] <Gareth> pleia2: no worries.
[00:59] <Gareth> akk: Linux 3.11 perhaps :)
[00:59] <akk> oh, right :)
[01:00] <akk> "We heard that was when Apple was going to switch their kernel over to Linux, and wanted to celebrate."
[01:02] <Faqtotum> Linux 95
[01:02] <Faqtotum> no wait, Linux 98SE
[01:03] <Gareth> Linux ME?
[01:03] <Faqtotum> Linux Bob.
[01:05] <broder> Microsoft Linux
[01:05] <broder> err, Microsoft Linus
[01:07] <Faqtotum> the occasion is now upon us to discontinue battering expired equines
[16:13] <bkerensa> This is meant for serious laughs.... Microsoft invited me to NYC for a vip event.... Also wanna send me a Windows Phone
[16:13] <bkerensa> :D
[16:14] <nhaines> How nice of them!
[16:25] <BotenAnna> do it
[17:05] <nhaines> bkerensa: I resurrected my HP Jornada 568 today.
[17:12] <BotenAnna> oh the hp jornada
[17:12] <BotenAnna> i found my palm TX the other day
[17:12] <BotenAnna> i made a backup on ubuntu and i cant restore it :(
[17:13] <nhaines> The real treasure trove was the 128MB CF card in it.  I stuck that in a PCMCIA adapter, chunked it into my laptop, and 'dd'ed away!
[17:13] <nhaines> I'm looking forward to seeing what my budget was in 2002.
[17:13] <nhaines> I took this to Germany with me while I was travelling.  I found my Targus keyboard in storage, that's what made me pull everything out and charge it.
[17:14] <BotenAnna> i remember your hp jornada hehe
[17:14] <BotenAnna> a natural evolution from the graphing calculators~
[17:14] <BotenAnna> i always wanted one, but was too poor
[17:16] <akk> BotenAnna: pilot-link doesn't work to restore?
[17:17] <akk> Those graphing calculators are such disappointing things. I guess some day students will get to use some kind of cheap tablet, much more flexible.
[17:18] <bkerensa> Apparently the NYC event they gave me a code... I'm not going to fly to NYC at my own cost just to go to a VIP party and meet two people they find important :D
[17:19]  * bkerensa did take the Windows Phone though... :P I wont use it but heck I might give it away
[17:20] <nhaines> The Jornada's pretty exciting.  It has Pocket Word and Pocket Excel which are probably just as useful as before.  It has Pocket IE which is probably more useless than before (also I don't have a functioning CF network card), and it has Solitaire of course.
[17:32] <bkerensa> Hmm
[17:32] <bkerensa> nhaines: I'm waiting for HP to liquidate their PC/Laptop supplies
[17:32] <bkerensa> :D
[17:36] <nhaines> bkerensa: donno if that'll happen.  :)
[17:36] <bkerensa> nhaines: They were giving away WebOS phones and tablets from their corporate store at insane prices
[17:36] <bkerensa> like
[17:36] <bkerensa> $25
[17:43] <BotenAnna> akk: they were da shiznit back in the 90s
[17:43] <BotenAnna> they still have a function though, general purpose tablets are a bad idea to allow on exams
[17:44] <nhaines> bkerensa: right, but HP isn't going to stop producing PCs and laptops.
[17:44] <bkerensa> nhaines: Since when are they not?
[17:45] <bkerensa> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/aug/19/hp-pc-group-spinoff-implications
[17:45] <bkerensa> last time I checked they are selling the HP hardware brand pretty soon and will focus on enterprise stuff like cloud
[17:51] <nhaines> bkerensa: they changed their mind.
[17:52] <bkerensa> oh
[17:52] <bkerensa> Well they did fire the CEO who made all those decisions and paid him millions in severence
[17:52] <bkerensa> :P
[17:52] <bkerensa> Meg Whitman the failed politician is at the helm and I hear she is going to invest millions of her own money into HP
[17:53] <bkerensa> I know they laid off a good amount of the HP employees that were at OSCON this uear
[17:53] <nhaines> Oh good!
[17:54] <bkerensa> No :P the people at HP that were at OSCON were awesome.... node.js people :D
[18:30] <BotenAnna> bkerensa: she invested millions of her own money into her governorship campaign. nothing could possibly go wrong!!
[18:30] <BotenAnna> i cant believe hp seriously went with whitman, she is the absolute worst
[18:31] <bkerensa> :D
[18:31] <BotenAnna> sorry, i cannot believe someone who claims to be a fiscal conservative yet ran ebay and during her tenure jacked up listing fees through the roof. i'm not even a fiscal conservative, but i don't appreciate liars!
[18:33] <BotenAnna> but yeah. i really don't like her in a way that transcends politics or left/right, she's just a bad leader and a liar and fights dirty
[18:34] <BotenAnna> like i think a major reason she didn't get elected is during the campaign i was impossible to be anywhere and not see her insufferable attack ads filled with transparent lies, and I didn't even have TV service at the time
[18:35] <nhaines> BotenAnna: don't shy away from the issue.  Tell us how you really feel!
[18:36] <BotenAnna> sorry, i may be a bit vague on my feelings about meg whitman
[18:38] <BotenAnna> so to clarify: she's in my second circle of political hell. the first circle is composed entirely of sally kern and orrin hatch.
[18:38]  * nhaines laughs.
[18:39] <BotenAnna> here is a funny picture of sally kern getting pwned by the onion http://brittanynovotny.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/kris-and-sally.png
[21:06] <BotenAnna> http://i.imgur.com/406B2.jpg remember everyone get a lil' exercise sometimes :D
[21:20] <greg-g> BotenAnna: I honestly can't tell if that is fake or not
[21:23] <MarkDude> That chair is great, I could fit 3 of me in it. Although I am sure no one wants 3 of me
[21:26] <BotenAnna> greg-g: apparently it is. according to legend, someone requested a custom chair because the 600lb limit of their other chairs was too low for them. this chair cost $1800.
[21:43] <greg-g> BotenAnna: wow
[21:47] <akk> $1800.is how much they paid some artist to photoshop (gimp) it? :)
[21:58] <MarkDude> lol
[22:45] <nhaines> bkerensa: Slashdot confirms it. :P http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221272/HP_to_keep_PC_division_rejects_spin_off_idea?taxonomyId=12
[22:55] <BotenAnna> if slashdot confirmed it, it was true 2 months ago!
[22:56] <jtatum> haha
[23:37] <locodir-user> anyone that could help me to install an hp officejet 4500?
[23:40] <nhaines> locodir-user: is it USB or network?
[23:42] <locodir-user> network
[23:42] <nhaines> Okay.  Make sure it's turned on and is connected to your network.  Is it Ethernet (wired) or wireless?
[23:42] <locodir-user> wired
[23:43] <nhaines> Okay, it should be simple then.  What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[23:43] <locodir-user> 11.10
[23:43] <nhaines> Okay.  Then you can click the Power/Settings indicator in the top right-hand corner of your monitor and choose Printers under the Attached Devices section.
[23:44] <akk> locodir-user: Tip: use system-config-printer, not the cups web UI, for installing HP printers.
[23:44] <akk> (I got the wrong configuration by letting CUPS do mine ... HP deskjet 4280)
[23:44] <nhaines> akk: that's what we're doing.  :P
[23:45] <locodir-user> in printers  only can click in connect button, not in add
[23:45] <locodir-user> the "add" button apears in gray
[23:46] <locodir-user> and only can click in reload, and connect
[23:46] <locodir-user> do i have to cick "connect?
[23:46] <nhaines> No, you should have an Add button, a reload button, and a Filter text field, but no other buttons.
[23:47] <locodir-user> i can not click in add
[23:48] <nhaines> What if you use the menu at the very top of the screen?  You should be able to choose Server > New > Printer
[23:49] <locodir-user> says printing services not installed in this computer
[23:49] <nhaines> Hmm, that's sort of what it sounded like, but CUPS should be included by default.
[23:50] <nhaines> Is this a new install of Ubuntu 11.10 or is it an upgrade from any pre-release version or from 11.04?
[23:50] <locodir-user> an upgrade from 11.04
[23:51] <nhaines> It sounds like a failed upgrade.  That can happen sometimes.  Let's do this.  Open up Terminal.
[23:52] <nhaines> I want to see whether you have printing support installed.  Without quotes, type "apt-cache policy cups" into the Terminal and press enter.  Let me know what it says for "Installed"
[23:52] <locodir-user> ok
[23:53] <locodir-user> cups:   Installed: 1.5.0-8ubuntu4   Candidate: 1.5.0-8ubuntu4   Version table:  *** 1.5.0-8ubuntu4 0         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric-proposed/main i386 Packages         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status      1.5.0-8ubuntu3 0         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric-updates/main i386 Packages      1.5.0-8 0         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main i386 Packages
[23:53] <nhaines> Ooh, that's newer than mine.
[23:54] <nhaines> Well, that's good news and bad news... sounds like it's installed but it isn't working.
[23:54] <locodir-user> now i need the good news
[23:54] <locodir-user> how to make it work hehe
[23:54] <nhaines> The good news was that it's installed.  :)
[23:55] <nhaines> I don't think I can support this remotely.  My advice is to find a local Ubuntu tech, maybe visit a local Linux User Group, or else to back up your files and install Ubuntu 11.10 fresh.
[23:56] <nhaines> This shouldn't be terribly hard.  The problem is "I can't user printers because CUPS isn't running after upgrading from Ubuntu 11.04."
[23:56] <nhaines> Let me try that again without spelling errors.  :)
[23:57] <nhaines> This shouldn't be terribly hard.  The problem is "I can't use printers because CUPS isn't running after upgrading from Ubuntu 11.04."
[23:57] <locodir-user> thats is the problem
[23:57] <nhaines> That should let another technician know what the problem is.
[23:57] <locodir-user> i don't know is not working
[23:57] <locodir-user> i don
[23:58] <locodir-user> i don't know why is not working
[23:58] <nhaines> Because CUPS isn't running.
[23:58] <nhaines> We know it's installed and we know it's not running.
[23:58] <locodir-user> i have to back up my pics and install fresh ubuntu
[23:59] <nhaines> That is one way to do it, yes.
[23:59] <nhaines> You can run Backup and set up a backup of your home directory.  This is probably a good way to go.


[01:56] <zk__> hello
[01:56] <zk__> i'm trying to install cedega 7 and it says i need python2.4-dbus...but there is no package with this name...there is python-dbus and i have this one installed
[06:11] <ubuXubu> good morning Linux Developers, Help Desk Engineers, Coders and Casual Observers.
[10:02] <jarnos> I wonder why my removable disk is mounted as its uuid under /media in Lucid. It used to be mounted as /media/disk before.
[10:03] <jarnos> Maybe it is due to ubuntu-desktop, which I had installed, too, but now I have removed it except for nautilus.
[10:03] <Sysi> maybe it's label is same as uuid, for some reason
[10:04] <Sysi> if there is no label, it's called just 'disk'
[10:04] <jarnos> Sysi, how can you check the label?
[10:06] <jarnos> Sysi, according to gparted, it has no label
[10:15] <jarnos> Sysi, I think it is due to nautilus. By thunar I can't unmount the device, but by nautilus I can.
[17:35] <Dracco> Hello. I (again :P) have a problem ^^. I've installed xubuntu on my boss pc, installed samba server, checked at home and it worked like a charm even with those darn windows. I took the pc to my boss, connected it, connected printer to it, installed printer drivers (automatic) and it was all working. Printer was visible and usable from both xubuntu pc and windows xp pc. Next day my boss called me that it is not working. I checked it, it was true. R
[17:35] <Dracco> estart of xubuntu machine, it works again... for a moment. After that it stopped and started working few times and in final stopped working at all. Printer was even visible later, but not reachable for the xp machine. Can something be done with it? I don't really want to install xp there, as there are even no drivers on cd (and no net, and i'm not gonna use my mobile as modem again).
[18:01] <hoody> hi
[18:01] <hoody> installed xubuntu on a macbook 4,1
[18:01] <hoody> trying to get it to connect to internet sharing from my imac
[18:01] <hoody> it isnt having it
[18:02] <hoody> even after changing the imac airport sharing WEP key to Hex (inserting $)
[18:02] <hoody> also cannot find hardware manager to check whether the wireless card is working properly
[18:02] <hoody> advice?
[18:17] <Draccoz> Hello. I (again :P) have a problem ^^. I've installed xubuntu on my boss pc, installed samba server, checked at home and it worked like a charm even with those darn windows. I took the pc to my boss, connected it, connected printer to it, installed printer drivers (automatic) and it was all working. Printer was visible and usable from both xubuntu pc and windows xp pc. Next day my boss called me that it is not working. I checked it, it was true.
[18:17] <Draccoz> Restart of xubuntu machine, it works again... for a moment. After that it stopped and started working few times and in final stopped working at all. Printer was even visible later, but not reachable for the xp machine. Can something be done with it? I don't really want to install xp there, as there are even no drivers on cd (and no net, and i'm not gonna use my mobile as modem again).
[18:17] <Sysi> no need to repeat
[18:40] <Draccoz> Ok I have to go :/ cya all :)
[19:45] <rick1> hi
[19:45] <rick1> does someone know elementOS
[19:45] <rick1> it's a media center os, based on xubuntu
[19:46] <Sysi> mythubuntu with xfce?
[19:46] <rick1> i'd like to find out, how i can config a panel / appstarter like they do
[19:46] <rick1> because i don't really like ubuntu
[19:46] <rick1> but xfce is great
[19:48] <Sysi> my firefox is yelling about their website
[19:48] <rick1> yeah, wondered about it, too in this moment
[19:49] <rick1> http://scr3.golem.de/?d=1007/element&a=76289&s=1
[19:49] <rick1> thats how the panel looks
[19:50] <Sysi> get nice theme and put items you want there
[19:53] <rick1> isn't there a packet that brings the big appstarter in the middle
[19:53] <Sysi> never seen
[21:58] <Thermi> so gn8


[07:32] <tomwardill> morning all
[07:49]  * ilasc emerges from the Debugger, morning tomwardill
[07:50] <tomwardill> o/
[07:52]  * tomwardill is working from the conservatory today
[07:52] <tomwardill> it's a lovely view, but it's pretty damn cold in here
[08:28] <ilasc> nice! good excuse for plenty of hot coffee/tea :)
[09:09] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383121 (Ignore unparsable Built-Using for now)
[09:19] <tomwardill> cjwatson: +1
[09:19] <cjwatson> Thanks, landing
[14:52]  * tomwardill does some reading about this new-fangled kubernetes thing
[14:52] <tomwardill> I guess I should learn what some of these terms actually mean
[15:09] <tomwardill> searchOCIProjects on distribution, seems reasonable to search by 'name' and/or 'owner', rather than the free-text search type link searchSourcePackages
[15:15] <pappacena> strange... some operations (like requestBuilds and newPushRule) for OCI Recipe on dogfood are not available on the API, although they are decorated with @export_factory_operation. Only newWebhook is available...
[15:16] <cjwatson> pappacena: probably stale cached wadl by your local lazr.restfulclient.  it's not great at refreshing
[15:17] <pappacena> any easy way to clear that?
[15:17] <cjwatson> pappacena: rm ~/.launchpadlib/api.dogfood.paddev.net/cache/*.wadl*
[15:17] <cjwatson> we should really find and fix the bug that makes it get this wrong though
[15:19] <pappacena> Aha! There it is! Maybe we could at least have a "lp.clear_caches()" method as a shotcut for this `rm`...
[15:19] <pappacena> I'll put in my list to check that. Is there a bug reported for this problem?
[15:19] <cjwatson> I dislike fossilising workarounds like that; it would probably be just as easy to fix it properly
[15:21] <cjwatson> I don't see an existing bug :(
[15:22] <pappacena> I can create one. https://launchpad.net/launchpadlib, right?
[15:23] <cjwatson> pappacena: Yes, though I suspect the bug is actually further down the stack, either lazr.restfulclient or wadllib
[15:27] <cjwatson> pappacena: All good to deploy then?  I see everything's green
[15:28] <cjwatson> To production, I mean
[15:28] <pappacena> Yes, just marked it green. Seems to be all good
[15:28] <cjwatson> OK, great, will get going on that
[15:28] <pappacena> Here is the bug, btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpadlib/+bug/1875917
[15:28] <pappacena> Thanks, cjwatson
[15:28] <mup> Bug #1875917: Outdated cache makes new named operation unavailable <launchpadlib :New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1875917>
[15:28] <tomwardill> pappacena: I may or may not have aliased lp-shell in my bashrc to remove all the wadl files ;)
[15:29] <tomwardill> (I did make muself a todo list to file that bug, so bad me for not doing it)
[15:30]  * pappacena One day we will fix that. One step at a time...
[15:31] <tomwardill> heh, yes :)
[16:17] <tomwardill> oh whoops, ociProject doesn't have an owner
[16:17] <tomwardill> so trying to search by it isn't going to help...
[16:34] <tomwardill> add a searchOCIProjects to distribution: https://code.launchpad.net/~twom/launchpad/+git/launchpad/+merge/383157
[16:36]  * pappacena I'll review it
[17:22] <tomwardill> pappacena: oh, good point with the missing tests, I'll add them in the morning
[17:45]  * pappacena 👍


[12:42] <shann> bonjour
[17:55] <bluefrog> testing nanny in edubuntu, doesn't seem to be working. I red out all saturday for user test (click apply...) then I log out and log in with the test user. no problem it lets me in and tells me I will be granted access in 5 hours, but I am already in.
[17:56] <bluefrog> edubuntu 10.10
[18:21] <bluefrog> password
[18:36] <bluefrog> same thing occurs when using a thin client.
[18:36] <Nubae> nanny?
[18:37] <bluefrog> yes
[18:37] <Nubae> what do u mean by nanny?
[18:37] <bluefrog> the program
[18:37] <Nubae> net nanny?
[18:37] <bluefrog> parental control aka nanny
[18:38] <Nubae> ahhh ok, just know the name parental control
[18:38] <bluefrog> well nanny or whatever.. not working properly out of the bxo
[18:38] <Nubae> last time I checked everything worked ok, u are using 2 useres? not running it as root?
[18:39] <bluefrog> what is last time? 1 or 2 distro ago?
[18:40] <Nubae> hmmm... Lucid I believe
[18:41] <bluefrog> 1 ago then.
[18:41] <Nubae> bluefrog did u find any errors in launchpad?
[18:41] <bluefrog> errors?
[18:41] <Nubae> if not, u might want to add a bug report, its pretty quick to do
[18:41] <Nubae> bug reports for parental control in maverick
[18:41] <bluefrog> bug report already done1 or 2 weeks ago. no news
[18:42] <Nubae> or natty... if u are using that
[18:42] <Nubae> oh ok...
[18:42] <Nubae> hmm... usually folks are pretty good at getting back
[18:42] <Nubae> I'll test myself and add my 2 cents
[18:42] <Nubae> might help move things along
[18:42] <bluefrog> will see when highvoltage is around.
[18:43] <Nubae> what os u running? maverick or natty?
[18:43] <bluefrog> 10.10
[18:43] <Nubae> to replicate the probelm
[18:43] <Nubae> problem
[18:43] <Nubae> ok
[18:43] <bluefrog> both edubuntu and ubuntu. same
[19:59] <Ronnie> highvoltage: were you still looking for a google map solution to point the schools. i got one: Live version: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ronnie.vd.c/map.html , documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-django-foundations/map
[21:42] <highvoltage> bluefrog: I don't have time to look at it right now, but if you haven't yet could you file a bug for that in Launchpad and subscribe edubuntu-bugs?
[21:42] <highvoltage> (ah, I see you already have)
[21:43] <highvoltage> Ronnie: that looks useful, will also look a bit later :)
[21:45] <Nubae> highvoltage is parental control standard in edubuntu?
[21:49] <bluefrog> highvoltage, bugsquad already subscribed
[21:50] <bluefrog> highvoltage, you two btw :)
[21:50] <bluefrog> wasn't me


[00:06] <chuwii> how to reconfigure mesa to automaticaly detect the config as the first install time ?
[06:07] <leslie_MYM> s
[06:07] <masterdoom1001> hi
[06:08] <masterdoom1001> is anyone on?
[06:37] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:29] <hegemon8> hello everyone
[08:32] <hegemon8> just wondering as i'm on kubu 17.04 with some 3rd party repos and tweaks from forums to make my nvidia  based laptop being able to dim screen and start with kubu logo in graphical mode. Now i wonder how i'd end up upgrading to 17.10... Anyone did upgrade yet? If so... how did it go?
[08:40] <acheronuk> a few people are running it and most have had no big issues. running a development does entail some bugs being hit and then resolved that you clearly would never see running a released version
[08:42] <acheronuk> and with KDE packages, being uploaded in sets of many packages (plasma, apps, frameworks) you can sometimes have issues where part of a group upload gets stuck in the -proposed repo/pocket for a while, and updates are incomplete and may cause issues
[08:43] <hegemon8> i am aware its pre-release, but being spoiled for last releases with upgrade to them, but there are some changes in this that i ask... normally i'd preinstall, as its fairly fresh 17.04 install, but plenty sofy from application store and settings that i just don't want to redo
[08:45] <acheronuk> we are just about to land Qt 5.9.1 in Artful, so if you are considering it, you may be best waiting until that is in and any issues with that fixed
[08:47] <hegemon8> sucks to have one machine home, cause would love to help in testing, and vm, well you know...
[08:49] <acheronuk> even in a VM helps :)
[08:50] <hegemon8> yes, i guess, but then reporting a 'bug' that turns out to be vm specific....
[08:51] <hegemon8> and i'm a natural tester - curious - i do break things in the name of rule: Gee, what this button do?... :)
[09:01] <acheronuk> hegemon8: some of us on #kubuntu-devel are running artful on real hardware, so if you find something you are not sure is MV specific or not, then you can ask us to check
[09:03] <acheronuk> plus bugs in a VM are valid ones IMO. there is much use of virtualisation and we would want things to 'work' on that is possible
[09:10] <hegemon8> i'm on 4 channels on kubuntu, not typing there cause well, far from being dev, but i do look whats going on there at times
[09:11] <hegemon8> thank You for ideas and suggestions, need to go now so hope see yous later
[11:47] <john85> hi :)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:52] <john85> hi :)
[11:53] <john85> sorry was googling something
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Hi john85
[11:53] <john85> hows u?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> god, and you?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> good even :-)
[11:53] <john85> ok thanks
[11:54] <john85> hi gery
[11:55] <john85> i think i already know the answer to this question,  but just wanted to check
[11:56] <john85> fonts are completely independant of apps like open office and Libre office right?  So installing open office wont give me any more fonts than i already have
[11:58] <BluesKaj> john85, not sure, since I don't use the office suite
[12:00] <john85> oh ok...im thinking of installing open office anyway,  since it is what I have always used up to now
[12:01] <john85> just trying to find out how at the moment
[12:01] <oost_> john85: i read somewhere that libreoffice is based on openoffice.org and that is openoffice.org is dead now.
[12:03] <nmrp3> hi - I've just turned my ubuntu box on after a holiday, and it went to the login screen but won't let me type anything
[12:03] <BluesKaj> think you're correct oost_ libreoffice is default  afaik
[12:03] <nmrp3> it registers the capslock key toggling, but no text appears in the password box
[12:04] <BluesKaj> does ctl+alt +F2 drop you to a shell login ?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> nmrp3,^
[12:05] <nmrp3> BluesKaj: yes it does
[12:05] <john85> ye the problem is i'm lacking all the fonts I used to create my documents and it has messed up some of the formatting too
[12:06] <john85> mainly arial and calibri
[12:06] <BluesKaj> run your normal updates and upgrades with apt , then sudo systemctl enable sddm (assume you use that), then sudo systemctl start sddm
[12:07] <BluesKaj> nmrp3,^
[12:08] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, you may have to reboot
[12:08] <oquidave> hello, do i need a raid setup if am running on a vps from one of the cloud providers?
[12:08] <nmrp3> BluesKaj: I got a lot of grumbling from systemctl about  unit files
[12:09] <BluesKaj> john85, have you checked the system-settings>fonts ...I have to ask the obvious
[12:09] <nmrp3> how would i quickly check which display  manager / login I'm using?
[12:09] <nmrp3> ok, ps aux says sddm
[12:09] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, but you still have a shell prompt ?
[12:10] <john85> BluesKaj,  yes and I even downloaded a fonts package
[12:10] <nmrp3> BluesKaj: I'm still in the shell, yes - "The unit files have no installation config..."
[12:11] <nmrp3> ok, this did something: sudo service sddm restart
[12:11] <nmrp3> but no change in behaviour - the login manger is tracking if capslock is on, but isn't letting me type into the password box or displaying a mouse pointer
[12:12] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, sounds like the xserver has a problem
[12:13] <BluesKaj> did you updaye and upgrade with apt ?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> update
[12:13] <nmrp3> yes, I think I did, and I think it included both a kernal and an xserver update
[12:14] <nmrp3> but I wasn't really paying attention as I was rushing off to holiday - I updated before closing down a few days ago
[12:14] <john85> gotta run...work beckons
[12:14] <john85> speak soon
[12:14] <BluesKaj> ok try again, nmrp3
[12:16] <nmrp3> no packages to update, same symptom
[12:19] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, if a reboot doesn't help then maybe the nomodeset procedure might work
[12:19] <nmrp3> oh it seems to be something to do with multi-monitor support
[12:20] <nmrp3> it's working if I boot with just one monitor plugged in
[12:20] <BluesKaj> aha
[12:20] <nmrp3> but is failing in various ways if I have more than one
[12:20] <nmrp3> so right now I have two display port monitors on, and both are black for the login
[12:20] <nmrp3> but ctl+alt+f2 works
[12:22] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, I have no expertise with multimonitor setups ..you probly know more than I do about it
[12:23] <nmrp3> OK, so it seems like the multi monitor support is really broken for my system with this x :(
[12:24] <BluesKaj> nmrp3, which gpu ?
[12:24] <nmrp3> titan x
[12:30] <BluesKaj> that's rare card, I'm surprised there's a driver for it , or are you using the LInux driver from nvidia's site. if so then the kernel upgrade probly broke the driver
[12:33] <BluesKaj> there's a lack of current kernel module support for nvidia's site drivers afaik
[12:38] <BluesKaj> bbbiab
[12:46] <oost_> What four or five things to keep in mind when start reading source code?
[12:48] <oost_> Is there any advise for something like this?
[13:29] <lordievader> oost_: Try explaining the code to a rubber duck, if the duck understands, you understand the code.
[13:30] <lordievader> Also keep in mind that each programmer has their own style and preferences.
[13:43] <oost_> thnx lordievader. I do not know where to begin with reading files though.
[13:45] <lordievader> oost_: Unless you have a specific goal, reading random source code is going to be a pain.
[13:54] <oost_> lordievader: cannot really fit myself into a goal here. Think i will give myself paracetamol or something.
[13:55] <lordievader> Why do you want to read source code, then?
[13:57] <oost_> lordievader: to understand interesting things.
[13:58] <lordievader> Do you have experience in programming?
[14:00] <oost_> no, i can only see the logic of things.
[14:03] <javdrher> even as an experienced programmer, diving into a large codebase takes a lot of time to get into the flow
[14:03] <javdrher> even with good documentation available
[14:06] <lordievader> And because of that, you first want to have some experience with programming before you start reading (other people's) source code.
[14:52] <sdfsdf> can I plug in an android phone through usb and get data inside /com folders without root on the phone?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf, try kdeconnect first of all, it runs over your home network
[14:56] <foxly> ^ just download kde connect on the play store - super easy to setup
[14:57] <foxly> I had better luck with kdeconnect than I did with just using a cable - kept getting permission errors
[14:58] <sdfsdf> kde-connect cli no device specified
[14:59] <BluesKaj> foxly, have you tried kdeconnect over the internet ?  Just curious.
[14:59] <foxly> hmmm I have not, didn't even think about that being an option
[15:00] <foxly> sdfsdf you have the app installed on the phone (also connected to the wifi the computer is on)?
[15:01] <sdfsdf> ok now I am paired
[15:01] <sdfsdf> now I need to access \com
[15:02] <sdfsdf> from my computer
[15:03] <foxly> in the kdeconnect icon, you should be able to click and see an icon of a folder to open the device in the file browser
[15:03] <foxly> I think kdec defaults to have file share enabled, if not you might have to look at the settings in the phone app with what you're sharing on the computer
[15:04] <sdfsdf> i lost any kind of gui after i paired it
[15:04] <sdfsdf> foxly: isn't it mounted somewhere?
[15:05] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: plz help
[15:05] <foxly> it should be mounted like any other device, if it isn't the kdeconnect icon in the system panel should let you just click on it and mount it, same as you do usb drives
[15:06] <sdfsdf> foxly: not mounted anywhere I can find
[15:06] <sdfsdf> i have no system panel
[15:07] <foxly> and checked the phone app settings to make sure file transfer was enabled on the phone?
[15:07] <sdfsdf> which file transfer?
[15:10] <foxly> when you're in the phone app you can click on the device and choose the settings. there's a list of checkboxes on what the device shares like "Notifications, File Transfer, SMS" etc -
[15:10] <foxly> on the desktop you don't have a section like this: https://goo.gl/images/6AgSAE
[15:10] <sdfsdf> everything is turned on in the phone
[15:11] <sdfsdf> foxly: i don't have a desktop environment
[15:11] <sdfsdf> i'm just running xor
[15:11] <sdfsdf> xorg*
[15:11] <foxly> ohhhh well that helps haha
[15:11] <foxly> got ya
[15:11] <foxly> it gets mounted just like a normal drive - kubuntu it's /media/usrname/drivename
[15:16] <sdfsdf> i want to die
[15:18] <sdfsdf> the folder i was looking for isnt there
[15:19] <foxly> so you got it mounted by the \com folder isn't there?
[15:19] <foxly> but*
[15:24] <sdfsdf> foxly: i found the android drive, but the folder i was looking for is missing
[15:25] <sdfsdf> I thought it would be in Android\data
[15:25] <sdfsdf> this is a folder i can't see in the phone because i have no root access
[15:25] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf, can you see the folder on the phone itself, perhaps it's a permissions or incorrect path issue
[15:26] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: no, i can't access the folder in the phone, i got no priviledges to access it
[15:27] <sdfsdf> that's why i wanted to access the drive from my computer
[15:27] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf, well that won't make any difference
[15:27] <sdfsdf> what wont
[15:30] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: hey
[15:32] <BluesKaj> accessing a folder from a different device won't change permissions
[15:32] <sdfsdf> so I did all this for nothing?
[15:32] <sdfsdf> i've read i can access it with ADB  but i dont know how to enable ADB
[15:36] <BluesKaj> adb let's you communicate with an android device , but the the device's folder perm issions remain the same ...that's for security reasons
[15:37] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: hey
[15:37] <sdfsdf> can u help or not?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> heysd
[15:37] <BluesKaj> sdfsdf,
[15:38] <BluesKaj> seems you have a very difficult situation , so i guess i can't help unless you find a way to change permissions in that folder
[15:40] <sdfsdf> BluesKaj: go to hell then
[15:42]  * BluesKaj shrugs, well good luck with that then
[15:42] <genii> Another satisfied customer
[15:43] <BluesKaj> yeah
[15:43] <foxly> lmao
[15:43] <foxly> well I guess I'm sorry I missed that
[15:44] <BluesKaj> it's ok foxly , it's all my fault he doesn't have permissions  :-)
[15:45] <foxly> how dare you.... ruiner of life
[15:47] <foxly> my initial thought was "why would use need to root a phone to access the files?" - makes more sense now....
[15:50] <BluesKaj> I wonder who's phone, even
[15:50] <BluesKaj> whose
[16:00] <foxly> hahaha right?
[16:48] <user|84204> Hi. Is ''do-dist-upgrade'' the correct way to force upgrade from Kubuntu 16.04 to 17.04?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> user|84204,, no and you can't to skip over 16.10 to install 17.04, unless you bacup your data and do a clean 17.04 install
[16:54] <BluesKaj> backup your data
[16:55] <user|84204> ok. what if I do 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04?
[16:56] <user|84204> I'm actually on 16.10 yakkety, my bad
[16:56] <genii> 16.10 is EOL and not in the regular repositories anymore
[16:57] <genii> You're better off just waiting until 18.04 and go 16.04->18.04 directly
[16:57] <BluesKaj> to upgrade to 16.10 you have to tun opff LTS only release upgrades in your package manager. sudo do-release-upgrade is the correct command
[16:57] <user|84204> I just realized I'm using 16.10 *not* 16.04 as stated before
[16:58] <user|84204> so is 16.10 -> 17.04 possible using do-release-upgrade?
[16:58] <genii> Better off with a clean install
[16:58] <BluesKaj> heh
[16:58] <BluesKaj> user|84204, yes, but as genii suggests a clean install ia always best
[16:59] <user|84204> I see
[16:59] <user|84204> thank you both for the help
[16:59] <BluesKaj> np
[17:00] <BluesKaj> ok.BBL
[18:49] <juan__> gentelmen
 We're not all men!
[18:52] <BluesKaj> or gentle
 Lol
[20:30] <javdrher2> lordievader, my issue is back :s
[20:31] <javdrher2> while working the display froze. rebooted, black screen after login was back
[20:31] <javdrher2> but this time, removing .Xauthority hasnt solved it :s
[20:31] <javdrher2> so its broken again. I can get to the login screen, then switch to tty
[20:39] <javdrher2> k new xorg packages available, trying those :s
[20:42] <javdrher2> ok and now its ruined completely pfff
[20:47] <javdrher2> Xorg terminates with a segfault :S
[20:59] <javdrher2> and... its solved
[20:59] <javdrher2> by installing nvidia. I solved something by installing an nvidia driver; usually its the other way around
[21:23] <user|77298> hey, there are french ?


[16:55] <tgm4883> Trying to move some PPA builds into a recipe. Is there a way to write text into a file inside a build recipe? I'm trying to do this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zFbgzRT8cB/ but it doesn't look like LP supports running commands
[16:59] <cjwatson> You'd have to do that in debian/rules in a branch that's pulled in as part of the recipe.
[17:00] <tgm4883> hmm
[17:00] <tgm4883> I'm pretty sure that's where it currently is and it's failing, let me verify
[17:03] <tgm4883> cjwatson: yea that's how we did it before moving to recipes, inside of a sh file inside debian/rules
[17:04] <tgm4883> so that should work then and I should be looking at a different reason it's failing?
[17:14] <cjwatson> In principle yes
[17:15] <tgm4883> ok I'll keep digging then, thanks
[17:27] <cjwatson> np
[17:56] <tgm4883> cjwatson: talking with upstream on this and trying to figure out what is happening behind the scenes in each step. Trying to find out if it's using "git archive" to build the archive or something else
[17:56] <tgm4883> looking at the logs suggests that the version stuff we have is running, but it doesn't think it's a git repo
[17:59] <cjwatson> Ah yeah, dpkg-buildpackage from the recipe probably excludes .git
[18:00] <tgm4883> ah ok
[18:00] <cjwatson> Not sure there's much we/you can do about that I'm afraid
[18:03] <cjwatson> I don't recall the policy reasons why "run" is forbidden in Launchpad; might be worth revisiting that since recipe builds are well-sandboxed nowadays
[18:03] <cjwatson> (This was all before my time)