[00:00] <Cimi> kwwii, they are working great, just tested
[00:02] <Cimi> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/175266/Schermata-1.png
[00:02] <Cimi> see the entry on the right
[00:06] <Cimi> on the left
[00:06] <Cimi> LOL
[00:15] <Cimi> _MMA_, seen? :)
[00:18] <_MMA_> I did.
[00:19] <_MMA_> Cimi: Sorry. I'm starting to get into the evening here. My family calls.
[00:19] <Cimi> _MMA_, ok ;)
[00:19] <Cimi> good evening
[00:34]  * kwwii comes out of hibernation
[00:55] <Cimi> kwwii, thanks for the mockups, they look amazing!
[01:05] <Cimi> _MMA_, killed the kids? :)
[01:05] <_MMA_> No.
[01:12] <rsc-> sup fellas :)
[01:17] <Cimi> _MMA_ è uscito ("Time to kill the kids.")
[01:20] <_MMA_> Cimi: Oh! haha. My away message. :P
[01:22] <kwwii> Cimi: they are coming, I am working on them right now
[01:27]  * Cimi changes pc
[02:08] <kwwii> Cimi: http://sinecera.de/murrine_mock.png
[02:08] <kwwii> not done though
[02:09] <kwwii> and when I look at it on this laptop I think it still needs a lot of work
[02:13] <kwwii> and with that, I am off to bed
[02:13] <Cimi> everything should be doable
[02:14] <Cimi> though I'm not in love with the progressbars with the vertical separators
[02:14] <Cimi> and optionmenu is deprecated ;)
[02:27] <rsc-> i never really understood why there's both a combo box and an option menu.
[02:29] <rsc-> Cimi, hello, gtk documentation. any clue on how I can make an exception for OpenOffice to make it use a different style for toolbars and menus? :)
[02:31] <rsc-> and horizontal padding for toolbar buttons?
[09:00] <thorwil> i wonder what some people are smoking. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/272832/comments/7
[09:06] <DanaG> Hmm, the first time I've tried the Kin theme, now that it's packaged.... I kind of like it.  Makes me feel an urge to eat some fruit, actually.
[09:06] <DanaG> =þ
[09:55] <Zirodaeee> thorwil: its stupid rumors from the people at digg
[09:55] <Zirodaeee> thorwil: there was an idea going around about a deviantart contest and some people thought it was true
[09:56] <thorwil> Zirodaeee: yes. i just don't get how one can jump from hearing about an idea to writing it actually happened
[09:58] <Zirodaeee> thorwil: silly blogger trying to get thier 5 minutes of fame
[09:58] <Zirodaeee> writing absolute rubbish
[10:34] <thorwil> kwwii: interesting requirements for membership in fedora art group: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/62031.html
[10:39] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, I thought that was a good idea
[10:39] <thorwil> kwwii: definitively
[12:05] <rsc-> :D
[12:07] <rsc-> http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/red-ibex.jpg
[12:08] <zniavre> rsc-:  really nice
[12:08] <rsc-> yes unfortunately the wood texture isn't in public domain
[12:09] <rsc-> so, shit.
[12:15] <thorwil> yesterday i scanned wood. not such a dark and straight one, though
[12:16] <rsc-> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009%20Dust/bare.png
[12:16] <rsc-> alpha-blended PNG of the Ibex composition. knock yourself out :)
[12:18]  * thorwil is knocking his system out with 600dpi scans
[12:18] <rsc-> nice.
[12:18] <rsc-> i'm sure others would appreciate it if you have a few of those available to the public :)
[12:19] <thorwil> rsc-: maybe i will torture bzr/LP with them ^^
[12:19] <thorwil> rsc-: i'll try if your composition fits on one of them later on
[12:19] <rsc-> i can imagine that LP won't be the most ideal way to share hi-res textures :P
[12:20] <thorwil> rsc-: yes, but i want versioning and backup for my work, anyway
[12:20] <thorwil> rsc-: but now i have to use a cloudless sky for cycling! :D
[12:20] <thorwil> laters
[13:17] <_MMA_> rsc-_: Do you have you original Ibex, without the background available? I wanted to see what I could do background-wise.
[13:19] <rsc-_> _MMA_, of course
[13:19] <rsc-_> _MMA_, its in the mailing list
[13:19] <rsc-_> or are you referring to something else?
[13:20] <_MMA_> I never was it "without the background".
[13:20] <_MMA_> ie: *just* the Ibex.
[13:20] <_MMA_> SO I could try it as a overlay.
[13:21] <rsc-_> you mean the ibex picture?
[13:22] <rsc-_> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009%20Dust/bare.png
[13:22] <rsc-_> here's the composition I made, without the background. It's an alpha-blended PNG so you can drop on top of any background you want
[13:22] <rsc-_> and here's the source:
[13:22] <rsc-_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Capra_ibex_ibex_%E2%80%93_03.jpg
[13:23] <rsc-_> ..where I traced it from
[13:23] <_MMA_> Yeah. bare was what I was looking for. Thanx.
[13:23] <DannyKing> Looks fantastic rsc-_
[13:24] <rsc-_> thanks Danny
[13:26] <_MMA_> I really think this could be used as-is with a gradient put on the background.
[13:26] <rsc-_> hehe
[13:27] <rsc-_> perhaps
[13:27] <rsc-_> #3F3223 / #231717 works
[13:28] <rsc-_> vertical #201919 to #6B4646
[13:29] <_MMA_> I would maybe hide a little more of the legs/horns though.
[13:29] <rsc-_> ah, yeah.
[13:30] <rsc-_> didn't really get to polish this much, sorry
[13:30] <rsc-_> in fact those aren't supposed to show *at all*
[13:30] <_MMA_> Because they kinda contrast against the abstract parts that have a sharper look to them.
[13:30] <rsc-_> mustve been a layer i forgot to invisible-ize
[13:30] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[13:30] <rsc-_> lemme try to revise.
[13:30] <_MMA_> cool
[13:31] <rsc-_> I also don't like those 3 lines that look like a moustache. =P
[13:31] <_MMA_> :)
[13:33] <rsc-_> hmm.
[13:33] <rsc-_> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009%20Dust/bare.png
[13:33] <rsc-_> refresh guys
[13:34]  * _MMA_ has to start using DropBox.
[13:35] <rsc-_> it seems okay at first, but it's still lacking a few key features.
[13:35] <_MMA_> rsc-_: I'll give it a min. Seems to be hanging.
[13:35] <rsc-_> for instance, it syncs all files across your computers. so if you use it as a backup tool, your other computer will also download the backups that it shouldn't, heh :)
[13:36] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[13:36] <rsc-_> but its very promising. worth checking out
[13:37] <DannyKing> I actually just started using it too
[13:37] <DannyKing> I love it
[13:38] <_MMA_> Time to make new upload to Breathe BZR.
[13:38] <rsc-_> wheres the breathe bzr?
[13:38] <DannyKing> What's the progress, _MMA_ ?
[13:38] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I should be putting out that call for icon ideas today.
[13:39] <DannyKing> Great, I'll hang around and try to participate :)
[13:39] <_MMA_> I just updated the template and the 6 icons that are on that 1st page.
[13:39] <_MMA_> They needed some technical additions in order for a script to correctly build the set from the SVGs later.
[13:40] <rsc-_> bzr branch lp:breathe..?
[13:40] <DannyKing> Ah right
[13:40] <_MMA_> So now, all I do is drop in the new images we create.
[13:40] <DannyKing> That'd be jimmac's script? It's a brilliant idea
[13:40] <_MMA_> Si
[13:41] <_MMA_> https://code.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk
[13:42] <_MMA_> So: bzr branch lp:breathe-icon-set
[13:42] <rsc-_> brilliant
[13:42] <rsc-_> how do i contribute?
[13:42] <_MMA_> rsc-_: I still need to upload my current changes.
[13:44] <_MMA_> rsc-_: Well uploading will be strictly controlled as to avoid hickups. But the plan is to focus on specific isons at a time. Though, anyone is free to grab a SVG and work on others.
[13:44] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons
[13:45] <_MMA_> The child pages will continue to get populated with the base Oxygen set.
[13:45] <rsc-_> sweet,i just did a bzr branch. can i use the icon theme now?
[13:45] <_MMA_> You will see a PNG preview and have the SVG source there.
[13:46] <_MMA_> Oh no. There's nothing but the start of things.
[13:46] <rsc-_> is this .py the script of jimmac?
[13:47] <_MMA_> Yes, but it has been through revisions with help from a Inkscape guy. (tedg)
[13:47] <_MMA_> Still needs some polis.
[13:47] <_MMA_> *polish
[13:47] <rsc-_> it takes the .svg's and rasterizes each into .png?
[13:47] <_MMA_> Si
[13:48] <_MMA_> But I still need to grab the big one for scalable somehow. It's been tricky. I might need a new feature in Inkscape to do it.
[13:48] <DannyKing> I think jimmac also released a great app that lets you view all your icons next to each other (including all sizes of the same icon)
[13:48] <rsc-_> hmm, the folders aren't showing
[13:48] <_MMA_> DannyKing: It's a webpage.
[13:48] <DannyKing> Oh cool, I'll take a look
[13:49] <_MMA_> rsc-_: Aren't showing how?
[13:49] <rsc-_> hehe, nevermind.
[13:49] <rsc-_> I was assuming the icon theme folder was populated.
[13:49] <_MMA_> no no no no . WAY too early for that.
[13:50] <_MMA_> rsc-_: ATM, there's nothing to do but create.
[13:51] <rsc-_> is there a script to take source_svg and render out to rendered?
[13:51]  * rsc-_ is considering on making a Makefile.
[13:51] <_MMA_> I'm pushing changes now. I have 1 more push in a min though.
[13:52] <rsc-_> okay
[13:52] <_MMA_> rsc-_: ¿Qué?
[13:53] <_MMA_> Damn. I meant "why". :P
[13:53] <_MMA_> Why the makefile?
[13:53] <rsc-_> haha, i dont know, is render_bitmap.py enough to generate the Breathe iconset folder?
[13:53] <_MMA_> The .py script will handle building the set.
[13:53] <rsc-_> oh okay
[13:54] <rsc-_> sorry, I wasn't sure :P I thoguht the .py only did individual files
[13:55] <_MMA_> No. It parses 'source_svg' and puts everything in 'Breathe' in the correct place. Or at least will. Mostly works now minus the "scaleable" icon.
[13:56] <rsc-_> doesn't quite work here, hehe
[13:57] <rsc-_> it expects "./svg" on my copy
[13:57] <rsc-_> (rev 10)
[13:58] <_MMA_> I just pushed rev12 with an updated script.
[13:58] <rsc-_> okay
[13:59] <rsc-_> o_O
[13:59] <rsc-_> its working!
[13:59] <_MMA_> This looks to work just fine. Though it throws errors. Ill have to talk to Ted.
[13:59] <_MMA_> :P
[14:00] <_MMA_> Well, duh. ;)
[14:01] <DannyKing> Anyone know how to easily widen /only/ the bottom of some text to create perspective in Inkscape (the text goes into the distance), similar to the star wars intro text. I'd rather not convert to path
[14:02] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Should be a path effect.
[14:02] <DannyKing> Hmm okay thanks, I'll take a look
[14:03] <_MMA_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=perspective+inkscape&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
[14:03] <_MMA_> I think those are the videos I saw. Though tedg said there was an easier way.
[14:05] <DannyKing> That appears to be perfect, thanks
[14:05] <_MMA_> \m
[14:05] <_MMA_> \m/
[14:15] <Cimi> _MMA_, why people on the mailing list keep using top-posting even if they are noticied?
[14:16] <_MMA_> Cimi: Because they use Gmail and hides the posting order. Look at the address next time 9/10 times it's a gmail user.
[14:16] <_MMA_> Even though, I use Gmail.
[14:17] <Cimi> _MMA_, me too, but I spend 2 seconds in respect of the non-gmail users
[14:18] <_MMA_> I know, I know. I post correctly not of of respect for non-gmail users. It's because of the web archive.
[14:18] <_MMA_> If you look at our ML online, many threads are a mess.
[14:23] <Cimi> _MMA_, let's ban gmail users from subscribing
[14:24] <_MMA_> The actual plan was to have links to the rules for new subscribers. With an emphasis on posting etiquette. Something kwwii still has to do.
[14:54] <DannyKing> Ugh, Inkscape gets /so/ slow
[14:54] <_MMA_> DannyKing: When?
[14:55] <_MMA_> I also assume you're using SVN?
[14:55] <DannyKing> When ever you have anything that starts to get complex (lots of nodes, lots of patterns, lots of blur especially)
[14:55] <DannyKing> Yeah, well I use both stable and svn
[14:56] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: thorwil is the one to talk to re:kyudo. But he's not here atm.
[14:57] <Cimi> DannyKing, xrender is slow because of the drivers
[14:57] <_MMA_> DannyKing: This is where multi-threading would be nice. That Severed Fifth wall is a bear this way.
[14:57] <PRGUY85> MMA, thanks a bunch.  One thing do you have to be a designer in order to help?
[14:58] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: Depends on what you want to do. Action will get you more respect than talk. So it just depends on how you get involved.
[14:59] <PRGUY85> MMA, the thing is I have read the guidelines but I don't really understand your next steps or goals.  It looks like all rhetoric (and important) but I don't get what you will do next.  And if I don't get that, then I don't know how I can help.
[15:00] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: They will be guidelines for whatever we as a community want to focus on in a cycle.
[15:01] <PRGUY85> MMA: So what's the next step right now for everyone working on kyudo
[15:01] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: But it always strikes me as odd when people offer to help but have no clue what they can offer.
[15:02] <PRGUY85> MMA, sorry then and thanks for your time.
[15:03] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: What can you offer? What do you do?
[15:05] <PRGUY85> MMA: As I said, I posted my limitations from the get-go.  I am no designer and have no advanced knowledge to create artwork.  I have aided Dilomo diligently in his New Wave theme and right now am in charge of that theme's development.  The aid I can offer is more of a tester and idea man.  However, I am sure you've all got plenty of those.
[15:08] <kwwii> the first stuff that thorwil has been working on is the mood boards
[15:09] <kwwii> that was posted to the mailing list
[15:09] <kwwii> I would read up on that and start there
[15:09] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: "I am no designer" is all you said today. Not really telling. I have no clue who you are otherwise. The rest of the items you just posted gives me a better idea.
[15:09] <PRGUY85> MMA, I just thought that was really all you guys needed that's why I said it from the get-go.
[15:10] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: Assumptions. :)
[15:11] <PRGUY85> MMA, Guess so ;)
[15:14] <kwwii> ok, so what should i work on today
[15:14] <kwwii> hrm
[15:15] <_MMA_> kwwii: Breathe folder icon!!!
[15:15] <_MMA_> :D
[15:15] <PRGUY85> haha
[15:15] <PRGUY85> it's good that the artwork team has discussed that they are not appointed to create the official artwork.  All around the forums people thought so.  Again, MMA assumptions hehe
[15:16] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Were you planning on getting together some kinda base filetype icon ideas?
[15:16] <DannyKing> As in general style, look & feel ideas?
[15:17] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Well, what you would like to see based on yesterdays chat.
[15:17] <_MMA_> It would need to be a strait on view. Top-down lighting.
[15:17] <_MMA_> This is because we want to use details from the Oxygen set.
[15:17] <DannyKing> Personally, I would like to see a realistic, highly detailed and beautiful icon theme that would rival OS X
[15:18] <_MMA_> Well. We'll see. :)
[15:18] <_MMA_> It's up to us.
[15:18] <thorwil> hi!
[15:18] <DannyKing> highly detailed and realistic being the key words I guess. But I'm very open to other opinions
[15:18] <DannyKing> hello
[15:19] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: As I have become disgusted with the forums, I have no clue what the current opinion of the art is. Good to hear they know we dont make default.
[15:19] <_MMA_> Hi thorwil.
[15:21] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I kinda like the fiber look to the images we saw yesterday.
[15:21] <thorwil> DannyKing: if you're talking about guidleines for Breathe, i think hyperrealism could be a key word. rich and close-to-photorealistic shading, but some optimizing for easy recognition. an even-better-than-real-life look
[15:21] <DannyKing> _MMA_: Yeah me too. I liked the fact there was actual texture in there
[15:21] <DannyKing> thorwil: yep, we are. I agree with you about hyperrealism
[15:22] <DannyKing> in fact I couldn't word my ideal look better myself
[15:22] <thorwil> just recently i saw an icon theme where all arrows where put within circles. that's ... not clever. we have to take care about good shapes
[15:22] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I actually think for text files we should have a piece of paper that looks like it was torn from a spiral notebook. little bits of frayed paper at the side and all.
[15:22] <DannyKing> _MMA_: That sounds great!
[15:23] <DannyKing> Of course at smaller sizes we'd have to have much less detail
[15:23] <_MMA_> Exactly.
[15:23] <thorwil> especially the folder icon should b tested with in-context mockups
[15:23] <_MMA_> But I want to render the 48px .PNGs from the 256 scailables.
[15:24] <thorwil> not a good idea, i think
[15:24] <_MMA_> thorwil: If you grab my latest revisions to breathe, it actually builds.
[15:24] <kwwii> lol, people reported that the alpha transparency in some apps is a bug
[15:25] <_MMA_> I saw.
[15:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: i just recently worked on an icon where i made a 256 px scalable first. even the 48 px version needed some reworking, a different approach
[15:25] <DannyKing> :\ Probably too used to using < IE6 ;)
[15:25] <DannyKing> I think if we were to make such highly detailed images, each and every size would need at least some re-touching
[15:26] <DannyKing> Lighting, shading at the very least
[15:26] <thorwil> DannyKing: we shouldn't obsess about the large sizes too much. just look around for what the user gets to see most of the time
[15:26] <_MMA_> thorwil: I'm honestly not hard set. We could make sure the 256 scaliables render fine at 48px. Also if you make a link from /breathe-icon-set/Breathe to /.icons/Breathe it works quite nice.
[15:26] <DannyKing> Because realism is all about subtle details and you can't always get away with such subtlety at smaller sizes
[15:28] <_MMA_> This is why 48px should be out target. It's what people will see most.
[15:28] <_MMA_> But, I could be talked out of it.
[15:29] <_MMA_> Draw at 256 with what ever detail and just refine for smaller sizes.
[15:29] <DannyKing> Agreed
[15:29] <thorwil> if 48 px is the target, one should start with it
[15:29] <DannyKing> I thought you were talking about drawing at 256 and scaling with no refining
[15:30] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I was. But maybe it would work fine to take the 256, scale it to 48, then add/remove needed detail.
[15:32] <DannyKing> I think that for a less detailed set it wouldn't (always) be necessary, but for 'hyper-realistic' icons, scaling without further refinement could result in too much detail just causing a mess.
[15:32] <DannyKing> Of course it adds a lot to the work load, but personally I feel that's worth it
[15:32] <_MMA_> Sure.
[15:33] <PRGUY85> When you guys say "hyper-realistic" do you mean icon will be almost a photo of a real-life folder for example?  Because when I see the Oxygen or other great icon themes I don't really think hyper-realistic but highly stylized representations of reality.
[15:33] <DannyKing> thorwil: yes true about obsessing about large sizes. They are rarely seen
[15:33] <_MMA_> I do want 48 to be as close to 256 as makes sense though. I just fear massive differences between the 2.
[15:34] <DannyKing> PRGUY85: Sort of almost like a photo, yes... but not /too/ like one
[15:34] <thorwil> PRGUY85: maybe think of it as the difference between an actual photo of a model and the result after photoshoping ;)
[15:34] <DannyKing> _MMA_: yes I agre. They need to look like the same icon. Just perhaps the smaller icons would have a slightly heavier shadow or something
[15:35] <DannyKing> *agree
[15:35] <_MMA_> In the end, I *do* want everything above 48 to use scaleable.
[15:35] <PRGUY85> DannyKing: Got it.  Well, I believe the Breathe set I have seen is truly a step in the right direction.  Mixes the old and new quite well and doesn't look too much like Oxygen which is a fine line you all as designers should try to stay off.
[15:35] <_MMA_> Conn!! :)
[15:35] <_MMA_> (in m best Shatner voice)
[15:35] <_MMA_> *my
[15:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: studio sets a panel bg right? do you set the stretch thing in gconf?
[15:36] <_MMA_> kwwii: No. It simply does it.
[15:36] <psyke83> hrm, how can you imitate shatner with one word? How do you convey the strange pause between words??
[15:37] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well, its tiled actually.
[15:37] <thorwil> psyke83: pauses between silence and the word, of course
[15:38] <_MMA_> psyke83: Huh? You don't know the Star Trek movie where he yells "Kahn!!!!"? :)
[15:38] <psyke83> holy shit, that's the first time I realized my name is similar
[15:38] <_MMA_> :P
[15:38] <psyke83> wow, that really puts everything in perspective now, thanks
[15:38] <_MMA_> hehe
[15:38] <kwwii> _MMA_: right, I think I am going to put a bg in and set it to stretch...see how that works
[15:38] <psyke83> :P
[15:39] <_MMA_> kwwii: Hmm... Where's that setting? Might give me other ideas.
[15:39] <DannyKing> kwwii: That might look really bad with a huge monitor/huge resolution, though?
[15:40]  * _MMA_ suggests 2560x24px image. :D
[15:40] <psyke83> kwwii: is there a problem with the panel spacing in the Human theme? Look at the NetworkManager icon (when connected to a wired network) - it's blurry
[15:41] <_MMA_> kwwii: nm. I found the setting.
[15:41] <psyke83> when I go to the Panel Preferences, the size is 26pt, and if I expand it to say 40, then resize it back to 26, the NetworkManager icon un-blurs
[15:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: Just please make sure it's a setting in a *Ubuntu* package that won't be applied to the derivatives just because we share a package.
[15:43] <kwwii> _MMA_: I was hoping to flash the setting to firmware
[15:43] <kwwii> psyke83: I am not running intrepid...cannot see it here on hardy
[15:46] <_MMA_> hahaha. You think "RTFM" is bad, I just saw "Read the F'in README or officially admit to baby rape." Man. That's harsh. :)
[15:52] <thorwil> kwwii. _MMA_ not sure what to think of it: http://xs431.xs.to/xs431/08396/rsc_ibex_wood790.jpg
[15:53] <kwwii> the idea is sound but the colors aren't quite right
[15:53] <_MMA_> thorwil: I like it. Bit dark for a general audience though?
[15:54] <thorwil> the wood texture is rather dark. it's a wooden trivet
[15:54] <thorwil> looks all wrong if i try to brighten it
[15:54] <_MMA_> I see.
[15:55] <PRGUY85> I think it's too dark.
[15:56] <PRGUY85> and a bit busy for default background
[15:56] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: It's no more busy that the Heron.
[15:56]  * thorwil takes the word default and stomps on it
[15:56] <PRGUY85> sorry thorwil hehe.
[15:57] <PRGUY85> Heron was busy but it was a controlled busy, it was not busy everywhere.
[15:57] <_MMA_> kwwii: I actually think this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009%20Dust/bare.png is good with a gradient background. Or something equally simple.
[15:59] <PRGUY85> MMA, I'm for that as well.  However, should it employ the brown/orange colors or try and use the more varied color pallete the original bare.png is using
[16:01] <DannyKing> I agree with PRGUY85 about being too busy, although I think the image is fantastic.
[16:02] <_MMA_> psyke83: We need to update the Studio theme to use Clearlooks tabs because the stripe feature was removed from Murrine.
[16:04] <psyke83> _MMA_: done, but do you want to keep the tab spacing? It started grating on my nerves
[16:04] <thorwil> kwwii, _MMA_ http://xs231.xs.to/xs231/08396/rsc_ibex_wood_2972.jpg
[16:04] <_MMA_> psyke83: I kinda liked it but if you feel strongly about it go ahead and ax it.
[16:05] <PRGUY85> thorwil, that's better I think
[16:05] <thorwil> i could add the texture and xcf to my LP repo, if anyone here would like to have a play with it
[16:06] <_MMA_> Kinda hits that same feeling as the Elephant skin wall doesn't it?
[16:07] <PRGUY85> MMA, it does
[16:07] <_MMA_> Not that it a bad thing. Just struck me that way.
[16:07] <thorwil> is that good ro bad? :)
[16:07] <_MMA_> *it's
[16:07] <PRGUY85> thorwil I think its a good thing
[16:08] <PRGUY85> and that latest one has the Ibex details more defined
[16:08] <_MMA_> psyke83: Just shoot off an email when done.
[16:09] <DannyKing> thorwil: that second version looks really good
[16:10] <thorwil> thanks :)
[16:10] <DannyKing> To me that /is/ ubuntu :)
[16:10] <DannyKing> Omg
[16:10] <DannyKing> it's 4pm?!
[16:10]  * DannyKing hasn't eaten yet! afk
[16:10] <_MMA_> Yep
[16:10] <thorwil> not here ^^
[16:11] <PRGUY85> 11 AM here
[16:11] <_MMA_> DannyKing is in UK.
[16:11] <PRGUY85> nice and sunny in puerto rico
[16:11]  * DannyKing nods
[16:11] <DannyKing> PRGUY85: que bien, no tenemos mucho sol aqui :(
[16:12] <PRGUY85> DannyKing, buen espanol para un ingles
[16:12] <DannyKing> My mum is Spanish :)
[16:12] <PRGUY85> oh haha that figures
[16:12]  * _MMA_ heads to Chihuahua, Mexico in a week. (I'm in Raleigh, N.C.)
[16:12] <PRGUY85> MMA, on vacation?
[16:13] <_MMA_> Business. I'll be there foe a month then I come back to a new CAD job.
[16:13] <_MMA_> *for
[16:13] <DannyKing> Sounds like pretty good business!
[16:15] <PRGUY85> Mexico is pretty hot
[16:16] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Hopefully.
[16:17] <PRGUY85> are you guys using any of the latest community theme packages or have you continued to use human-murrine or any other?
[16:18]  * _MMA_ pretty much uses the Ubuntu Studio theme exclusively.
[16:18] <DannyKing> Me too
[16:18] <DannyKing> Except for some of my own app icons
[16:18] <_MMA_> Though I test others.
[16:19] <PRGUY85> Well, the thing I don't like about UStudio is that the last time I used it it was dark in all places.  I think the dark/light mix Dust and New Wave employs is quite functional.
[16:21] <_MMA_> PRGUY85: It's about audience. The theme also is the way it is because pro A/V apps are often dark.
[16:21] <PRGUY85> MMA, hmm never thought about that but yea you are right.
[16:22] <DannyKing> Made this last night: http://flickr.com/photos/danny-king/2890594673/in/photostream/
[16:23] <thorwil> DannyKing: looks very un-computeristic :)
[16:23] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Fun. :) Though I think that hard stop the the shine on the logo should be faded. I ran into this recently as well.
[16:24] <_MMA_> *on the shine...
[16:24] <DannyKing> lol, yeah I just got my tablet out and started scribbling because I was frustrated at some web development I was doing. Don't take that as an idea of my skill level!
[16:24] <DannyKing> Oh the logo isn't mine, I just imported the crystal icon
[16:24] <PRGUY85> hey offtopic, DannyKing I just saw your desktop screenshot.  Looks really sweet.  What icon set are you using, specially on the Avant down there.
[16:25] <DannyKing> Thanks
[16:25] <_MMA_> I know. :) Actually that's also in the Inkscape source.
[16:25] <DannyKing> They're my own, take a look in my flikr photostream - they're all there
[16:26] <DannyKing> It's not really an icon set, I just wanted to make my dock pretty
[16:26] <PRGUY85> Great work
[16:26] <DannyKing> Thanks :)
[16:26] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Is there an official Inkscape font or text logo?
[16:27] <DannyKing> I'm not sure, but I keep seeing the same (or at least very similar) font being used with the logo.
[16:27] <DannyKing> No idea what it is though
[16:28] <_MMA_> k
[16:28] <thorwil> http://xs431.xs.to/xs431/08396/rsc_ibex_wood-block673.jpg
[16:30] <_MMA_> DannyKing: *Part* of Breathe will be making modern upstream app icons. *But* it should *look* like the original. Oxygen has done some of this but have replace the look of the icon. I feel it's important to retain upstream branding as mch as possible.
[16:30] <DannyKing> I agree
[16:31] <_MMA_> So, one will be able to grab the template from the wiki and submit an icon whenever.
[16:31] <_MMA_> Add as we go.
[16:31]  * _MMA_ clicks thorwil's link.
[16:32] <DannyKing> thorwil: some great (free) textures here if you're interested: http://www.cgtextures.com/textures.php?t=browse&q=14119
[16:32] <_MMA_> thorwil: I like this latest one best as it retains more of the abstract Ibex detail and feel like it will fit in better with the Ubuntu theme. (unless kwwii will be changing stuff soon) :)
[16:33] <DannyKing> I actually like it less than the second, although it's still good
[16:34] <PRGUY85> Im with DannyKin
[16:34] <_MMA_> DannyKing: No! My opinion is teh best!! :P
[16:35] <DannyKing> hehe
[16:35] <DannyKing> But I do see how it might fit in better with other themes
[16:35] <thorwil> too bad rsc isn't around
[16:35] <DannyKing> Oh my God
[16:35] <DannyKing> I forgot to eat /again/
[16:35]  * thorwil wonders how to proceed
[16:36] <DannyKing> I got sidetracked
[16:36]  * DannyKing is actually afk this time
[16:37]  * _MMA_ goes to eat as well.
[16:47] <_MMA_> psyke83: Did you change the tooltip colors as well?
[16:48] <psyke83> _MMA_, no... perhaps I didn't edit the latest version of the theme, but it's based on the last version I sent to you
[16:48] <_MMA_> Ok. Ill fix it here.
[16:49] <psyke83> _MMA_, you'll need to ensure the gedit fix is there as well
[16:50] <_MMA_> Oh. Maybe I should leave it to you then since I would have to hunt around.
[16:55] <thorwil> now if only i knew how to check if bzr us actually pushing data or already hanging like it often does with my image files :/
[16:56] <psyke83> _MMA_, scratch that, the gedit fix and tooltips are already changed in the revision you have. Perhaps you need to reset the color picker settings
[16:57] <_MMA_> psyke83: default tooltip here says #F5F5B5.
[16:57] <psyke83> _MMA_, yep, that's the colour you wanted, remember? The yellow background colour used in light themes
[16:59] <_MMA_> psyke83: Oh. For consistency with a light theme? Did you get the light theme worked out?
[17:00] <psyke83> _MMA_: I'm not sure what you mean. A while ago, you told me you wanted light tooltips, which required a fix for the Gedit notification bug, so I fixed it and set the tooltips to yellow background on black text. It had nothing to do with the UbuntuStudio-Light theme
[17:01] <_MMA_> Ok.  In any event, it's fine.
[17:03] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Icons updated.
[17:03] <_MMA_> All SVGs have a palette (color cues) and background colors to flip through. (for making sure they look right on top of particular colors)
[17:03] <_MMA_> The python script also builds the theme in breathe-icon-set/Breathe correctly.
[17:04] <DannyKing> Sounds great :)
[17:04] <_MMA_> Web2.0 shine also removed from KenV's folders to further show the direction we want to go. Though it still needs alot of work.
[17:06] <_MMA_> So I'll announce a call for ideas/submissions in a few mins.
[17:06] <DannyKing> "Remove Web2.0" - well put
[17:07] <_MMA_> :P
[17:08] <DannyKing> Is my understanding that the icons must have a top-down perspective? (i.e. flat rather than at an angle against an invisible wall?)
[17:08] <DannyKing> Just checking
[17:09] <thorwil> DannyKing: if you look at the icons other than the already replaced folder, you will see there are varying perspectives used
[17:10] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Do you feel the set should have the same perspective across the entire set? Or can it vary depending on the item.
[17:10] <_MMA_> ie: I want all the filetypes to be seen strait-on.
[17:10] <DannyKing> I think there should be a consistent perspective except in possible rare cases
[17:10] <_MMA_> But, folders could be another.
[17:10] <DannyKing> top down is fine, just wanted to clarify
[17:11] <_MMA_> As long as it fits.
[17:11] <_MMA_> Ok.
[17:11] <DannyKing> Who made that orange folder?
[17:11] <DannyKing> Is it the basis for the entire theme?
[17:11] <_MMA_> Ken Vermette.
[17:11] <_MMA_> It's not final. Needs revision.
[17:12] <_MMA_> kwwii is supposed to be doing that.
[17:12] <_MMA_> But the general feel will be very simular.
[17:12] <thorwil> DannyKing: the trash bin is much easier to get across in a slightly from above view. here top-down or fronatl do not work that well
[17:12] <DannyKing> I think it's a brilliant icon, one of the best folders I've seen, but it's not hyper-realistic, like we were talking about earlier. So either we'd need to revise the realism or the icon to make that compatible
[17:12] <DannyKing> thorwil: true
[17:13] <DannyKing> by revise the realism, I mean, the idea of using realism
[17:13] <thorwil> DannyKing: for drives, top-down might work, but the table-view works well for the harddisc
[17:14] <DannyKing> I prefer the table view
[17:14] <DannyKing> As for that paper idea (ripped from ring binder), I think that'd look fantastic on a table view
[17:15] <_MMA_> Note that these icons I feel will set the pace/tone/whatever for the rest of the set. So we're free to play here but should follow them after this.
[17:15] <thorwil> DannyKing: you could argue, that if hd and cd-drive are in table-view, so should a single cd
[17:15] <DannyKing> _MMA_: okay
[17:16] <DannyKing> thorwil: so what, folders & file types are top-down and devices & drives are table?
[17:16] <DannyKing> *table view
[17:16] <thorwil> DannyKing: that would be one possibility
[17:17] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I'm really trying to let other decide this stuff and *not* dictate *everything*. So it's great you're here atm. :)
[17:17] <_MMA_> *others
[17:17] <thorwil> even for drives, a non-projection view makes small icon sizes harder to draw and possibly to recognise
[17:17] <DannyKing> true
[17:18] <DannyKing> Is non-projecton view top-down view as I was calling it?
[17:18] <_MMA_> thorwil: What about a perspective change on smaller icons where needed? Ive seen that before.
[17:18] <thorwil> _MMA_: might be needed
[17:18] <DannyKing> Yes that could be a good way to do it
[17:18] <thorwil> DannyKing: with non-projection i mean perspectives that do not have vansihing points
[17:19] <DannyKing> Okay, gotcha
[17:19] <thorwil> speaking of which, the drive-optical is on the edge to bothering me because of the lack of a vanishing point downwards
[17:21] <thorwil> DannyKing: maybe we should try different perspectives for several icons. much work, but then we know what to run with and why
[17:21] <DannyKing> Good idea
[17:21] <DannyKing> I think breathe /will/ be much work - but if we can create a really realistic and beautiful icon set I think that'd be well worth it taking a little longer
[17:22] <DannyKing> There's no deadline is there? (We're not aiming for a particular release of Ubuntu for example?)
[17:22] <thorwil> DannyKing: do you have a digicam, white cardboard, a few lights?
[17:22] <DannyKing> I did, my girlfriend has lost my camera. But I can borrow one easily enough. As for the lights I do right now, hopefully at university too (in 10 days)
[17:23] <thorwil> DannyKing: no deadline. will take some time until we can even talk about milestones
[17:23] <DannyKing> Great
[17:23] <DannyKing> Are you suggesting we photograph things to base our icons on? (I think that's a very good idea)
[17:23] <thorwil> DannyKing: i'm asking becasue i'm lacking the equipment, but feel that some photos could help us
[17:23] <_MMA_> It would be *nice* to have some semblance of a set for Jaunty. But just as a community set.
[17:24] <_MMA_> No push for default.
[17:24] <DannyKing> I agree, although I'm not a good photographer. If we could get a talented photo guy that might really help
[17:24] <DannyKing> _MMA_:  sounds like a good time frame
[17:24] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Get me a list of items.
[17:24] <DannyKing> That I'd like photographed?
[17:24] <_MMA_> Si
[17:25] <thorwil> _MMA_: varying folders, hard-drive, motherboard, cd
[17:25] <thorwil> notebook, paper, pile of papers
[17:25] <thorwil> all from varying angles
[17:25] <DannyKing> Pens, pencils, mobile phones
[17:25] <DannyKing> cameras
[17:25] <DannyKing> leads ?
[17:26] <DannyKing> Mice / Keyboards
[17:26] <DannyKing> Monitors
[17:26] <DannyKing> A good looking bin
[17:26] <DannyKing> Envelopes
[17:27] <DannyKing> Polaroid photograph ?
[17:27] <DannyKing> USB sticks, SD cards, etc
[17:27] <DannyKing> Speakers
[17:27] <DannyKing> (stop me if I get annoying here)
[17:27] <thorwil> maybe something for the mailing-list
[17:27] <DannyKing> Mask (privacy icon?)
[17:28] <DannyKing> As for the paper: scrunched up, ripped, close up (texture), folded, etc
[17:29] <DannyKing> Perhaps a musical instrument for sound type icons
[17:29] <thorwil> DannyKing: texture is easier to take from a scan
[17:29] <DannyKing> True
[17:29] <_MMA_> Yep.
[17:29] <DannyKing> Pictures of folders would be good (odd we missed that)
[17:30] <DannyKing> Books (new and old?)
[17:30] <_MMA_> Google image search might be good for most of these as well.
[17:30] <thorwil> DannyKing: we did not miss folders ;)
[17:30] <DannyKing> Yeah, and flickr
[17:30] <_MMA_> Maybe just a list of stuff we can't find?
[17:30] <DannyKing> oops sorry thorwil
[17:30] <thorwil> already tried search for folders. no good
[17:31] <DannyKing> search manilla folder
[17:31] <_MMA_> Well I think we're half-way there for folders anyway.
[17:31] <thorwil> problem is, you need good angles and proper lighting. large images
[17:31] <DannyKing> Yeah, that's the hard part
[17:31] <_MMA_> That one will be up to kwwii as he will try to incorporate what Mark would like to see.
[17:32] <thorwil> hmm?
[17:32] <_MMA_> thorwil: The bottom up glow on the folders, that's one of the things Mark likes.
[17:33] <_MMA_> kwwii was gonna revise further.
[17:33]  * thorwil feels you could as well ask a 9 year old boy
[17:34] <DannyKing> Uh oh, you've taken the lords name in vein ;)
[17:34] <_MMA_> Well like I said I'd like a shot at default though we're not gonna bow to every whim. I'm also not gonna shoot ourselves in the foot from the start.
[17:34] <DannyKing> As for the folder glow...
[17:34] <DannyKing> How about a light being shon on it instead, rather than an inner glow? (at least that's physically possible!)
[17:35] <DannyKing> shone *
[17:35] <thorwil> what's the official term for those photography tables used for object photography? with lights on swane-necks(??) and a smooth curve between the floor and wall
[17:38] <thorwil> ah, found the german term: http://www.powerrent.de/showshop/images/big/220.jpg
[17:38] <thorwil> http://fototisch24.de/PKXXL5.JPG
[17:39] <thorwil> diy: http://www.hobby-versand.ch/pic/aufntisch.jpg
[17:39] <thorwil> pretty much a requirement for the kind of shots i have in mind
[17:40] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[17:40] <DannyKing> Looks good. I've done similar things for my web design work, though I usually just put white paper on the floor and shine a strong light on it, then GIMP out any issues. Your way is better
[17:41] <_MMA_> Well, I didn't think we would get that involved but sure. :) Plan was to mix Oxygen/Human with what we had. Fix where needed.
[17:43]  * _MMA_ starts to compose email.
[17:43] <thorwil> _MMA_: lets just say that i think it would help quite a bit. also a shitload of work and asking for a budget
[17:43] <_MMA_> The latter being something we don't have. :(
[17:44] <thorwil> that was my point :)
[17:44] <DannyKing> I think a call for help for a photographer on the forums might produce someone with the kit already
[17:44] <DannyKing> Or aggressive trolling through flickr's creative commons search
[17:45] <DannyKing> (is CC compatible with Ubuntu's licence for artwork?)
[17:46] <_MMA_> Breathe is under CC-BY-SA3.0
[17:46] <_MMA_> (one of Oxygens licenses)
[17:46] <DannyKing> Okay good
[17:46] <_MMA_> And fits fine with Ubuntu.
[17:47] <_MMA_> I just had a PM with troy_s and told him I wouldn't talk about Breathe or icons unless he came in here. :P
[17:47]  * _MMA_ starts to compose announcement email.
[17:49] <DannyKing> Prototype two of my wooden icon: http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1592&p=8383#p8383
[17:51] <thorwil> hmm, the PDF letters are straight?
[17:51] <DannyKing> Yeah... the text should have been wider at the top than the bottom (that's the older version I put there for comparison)
[17:52] <DannyKing> Also the pdf icon should be stretched at the bottom
[17:52] <thorwil> DannyKing: in the first image of the thread, i can see that the adobe logo has depth - which can't work like that in wood
[17:53] <DannyKing> Yeah, that was the first prototype. I hadn't thought about it at the time. The letters also appeared raised when they should have been engraved
[17:53] <thorwil> DannyKing: the material impression is pretty good. maybe try a bit lighter
[17:53] <psyke83> kwwii: panel at default 24pt: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/nm-applet_blurred.png
[17:53] <psyke83> kwwii: panel at 26pt: http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/nm-applet_unblurred.png
[17:53] <DannyKing> I'll try it out, thanks thorwil
[17:54] <kwwii> psyke83: my bet is that the icon shown does not exist at 22x22
[17:54] <kwwii> only 24x24
[17:54] <kwwii> erm, or not at 16
[17:54] <kwwii> or something like that
[17:54] <psyke83> kwwii: I tried setting gtk-icon-size to 24,24 and it doesn't help
[17:54] <kwwii> it looks like one is getting scaled
[17:54] <thorwil> DannyKing: i hope you know what kind of wood it should be exactly ;)
[17:54] <_MMA_> kwwii: Where's my folder!! :) I know you see me mentioning it. You're avoiding me. :P
[17:55] <psyke83> gtk-icon-sizes = "panel-menu=24,24"
[17:55] <kwwii> _MMA_: later tonight, I have band practice in a bit
[17:55] <DannyKing> thorwil: ermmm... :p
[17:56] <kwwii> psyke83: I would check in the source of nm-applet, I guess
[17:56] <kwwii> see what sizes are available, what files are used
[17:56] <kwwii> maybe it is a missing icon in the human-icon theme
[17:56] <psyke83> kwwii: ok, will do. If I use the tangerine icon set, it doesn't seem to scale the icon
[17:56] <DannyKing> The wood was taken from this image: http://flickr.com/photos/alexeya/134281183/   no idea what wood it is
[17:56] <psyke83> (though it's a diferent icon, of course)
[17:57] <psyke83> Tangerine seems only to have scalable icons
[17:57] <psyke83> nm, sorry, it does have scaled
[17:58] <DannyKing> thorwil: anyway, I've made the SVG so that the wood can easily be changed by simply inserting a different texture image
[17:58] <DannyKing> It could be made metal in two minutes :)
[17:59] <thorwil> DannyKing: from that texture, it seems to me that your result is too red
[17:59] <DannyKing> Yeah I added colour to the texture. It looked /too/ real otherwise
[17:59] <DannyKing> unphotoshopped as you said before
[17:59] <thorwil> 640 x 480 and they call that large, pah! :)
[18:00] <DannyKing> Actually that's the photographers fault. Flickr just put the largest possible photo on their large setting.
[18:08]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:09] <_MMA_> Ok. Email away. Not my best but should get the point across.
[18:13]  * DannyKing opens up gmail
[18:19] <DannyKing> _MMA_: I like the template svg. Nice colour palette
[18:19] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Pat thorwil on the back for that one.
[18:20] <DannyKing> Good job thorwil
[18:21] <_MMA_> There is also hidden layers to compare against the icons. Another thorwil idea.
[18:21] <_MMA_> Background colors. ie: "Does this icon look right on top of this color?".
[18:25] <DannyKing> Replied on the list
[18:25] <DannyKing> Ooh nice touch, didn't notice those
[18:27] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Preferably, the submissions should be saved in the same state they were downloaded in. Meaning what layers are there and hidden.
[18:27] <DannyKing> Okay
[18:28] <DannyKing> Might be an idea to add that to the instructional text
[18:29] <_MMA_> Yeah. Or note on the wiki. And good reply. It will/should keep discussion going.
[18:29] <DannyKing> Thanks
[18:30] <DannyKing> Oh I've just noticed that the folder icon has a reflection at the bottom
[18:30] <DannyKing> That's not a good idea I think, because some docks add their own reflection
[18:30] <DannyKing> Also makes it harder to ensure the icon looks good against all background colours
[18:31] <_MMA_> ? Shouldn't have one.
[18:32] <DannyKing> Mmm true sorry, the version on the front page of the wiki does and I assumed it was the same
[18:33] <_MMA_> ;)
[18:33] <_MMA_>  /Icons will always be current
[18:33] <DannyKing> Ok
[18:39] <psyke83> kwwii: nm-applet is looking for the appropriate icons in the 22x22 folder, and can't find them, so grabs from the scalable files. Is it possible for us to fix this issue for 8.10?
[18:41] <thorwil> DannyKing: thanks!
[18:41] <DannyKing> :)
[18:41] <DannyKing> thorwil: check the list and add your thoughts to the Breathe post
[18:41] <_MMA_> thorwil: Made some revisions to the Breathe front page.
[18:43] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Do you use windows or linux?
[18:44] <DannyKing> Both
[18:44] <DannyKing> I run OS X, Linux and Vista :)
[18:44] <DannyKing> I need to test my websites on the three main OSs, you see
[18:44] <_MMA_> Well, when using Inkscape. Generally.
[18:45] <DannyKing> Normally Linux, but Windows a lot too. Windows is usually running on my laptop so it depends where I want to work
[18:46] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Ok. Reason that I ask is that as you become comfortable with what we do and I as well as others trust you, I can add you to the breathe-dev team and that will give you upload rights to the main branch. *If* you like. Otherwise I'll just be a proxy.
[18:49] <DannyKing> Eventually I'd like that very much, thanks :)
[18:49] <DannyKing> But I'm happy to run everything through you too
[18:50] <_MMA_> cool
[18:50] <DannyKing> Ooh this is nice: http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/5184/ibexvz6.png
[18:51] <DannyKing> Ryan from the list did it
[18:51] <_MMA_> I'm not keen on the background but I like the etch/carved look on the Ibex.
[18:52] <_MMA_> kwwii: You think if Breathe had it's own ML other non-ubuntu folk would be more apt to join? Seeings how the main list is kinda high-traffic and often off topic.
[18:54] <_MMA_> Might be off-putting for some. Notably the Oxygen folk you said might be keen to working together?
[18:55] <DannyKing> It might lessen the exposure for people to discover it
[18:55] <_MMA_> DannyKing: If you focused on the base filetype icon, it would actually let me work on derivative icons fairly quickly.
[18:55] <DannyKing> But I can see why it might be a good idea
[18:55] <_MMA_> DannyKing: True. Im just throwing that idea out there.
[18:56] <DannyKing> _MMA_: Yeah, I'd like to. I just need to finish up a website contract. I'm in the final stages... should be a few days
[18:56] <_MMA_> There's alot of chat besides Breathe people might not care about.
[18:57] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Ok. Cool. I'll keep that in mind. I'll poke you in a couple of days about it. :)
[18:57] <DannyKing> Sure thing
[18:57] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I guess take a stab at the notebook paper one as well.
[18:58] <_MMA_> Ok. Im gonna play with the fam for a bit. Leave a message. :)
[19:37] <ilembitov> Hi, all. Can anyone point me to screenshots to see how will 8.10 look like?
[19:38] <emma> hi guys
[19:39] <emma> anyone active here?
[19:39] <emma> I just got some new updates in intrepid.
[19:40] <emma> Wondering if the themes in this screenshot are going to be the new default in intrepid -- http://giving4paul.com
[19:49] <ilembitov> emma: I've seen those many times before, and I don't believe they will be default. They are just way too retarded, sorry if I offend anyone
[19:50] <emma> No I'm not offended. I just got these in the latest updates.
[19:50] <emma> I am not making a jugement or complaining, I thought thought perhaps this would be the channel that knows how the intrepid will look :)
[19:51] <DannyKing> I think the mailing list might get a better response emma
[19:51] <emma> I sort of hope that there is a more snazzy wallpaper than that, and perhaps there is a different theme. I like the dark option but this is kind of intense if it's the default.
[19:51] <DannyKing> I don't think anything has been decided (but I've only just started hanging out here)
[19:52] <emma> The heron default wallpaper was so snazzy. I hope that Intrepid can have a default wallpaper that's upbeat like that.
[19:52] <DannyKing> I've seen some pretty good ones so far
[19:53] <DannyKing> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-September/008014.html
[19:54] <emma> That's very brown isn't it :)
[19:54] <DannyKing> That's one of many unofficial wallpapers of that theme
[19:55] <DannyKing> there are several other links on the list if you look. I don't think most people here get a say as to what's default in releases
[19:56] <thorwil> noone here has a say in that, except kwwii
[19:56] <thorwil> with the last word remaining with mr. shuttleworth
[19:56] <emma> the art is more important than some people might realise.
[19:57] <emma> if the goal is to attract new users who are not already linux enthusiasts.
[19:57] <DannyKing> heh, well you're singing to the choir in this chan... ;)
[19:57] <emma> For someone who's already a linux enthusiast, it's just an amusement, because those peole will quickly and easily change anything how they like.
[19:57] <thorwil> ilembitov: regarding retarded, guess who is? i give you a tip. it's about joining a party of people and broadly insulting them all without knowing anything about what goes on
[19:58] <emma> but for the larger target audience of Ubuntu, a beautiful artwork can really be a selling point.
[19:58] <DannyKing> I agree
[19:58] <DannyKing> A few of us are working on an icon theme to try and address that
[19:58] <thorwil> emma: don't make me scream. who do you think you are sharing your wisdom with? color-blind coders?
[19:58] <emma> hehe :)
[20:08]  * DanaG just read a bunch of backlog....
[20:09] <DanaG> Oooh, that red ibex is cool -- and less messy than the full-color one.
[20:10] <DannyKing> Which?
[20:12] <DanaG> http://dump.ambiescent.com/i/red-ibex.jpg
[20:12] <DanaG> that one.
[20:12] <DannyKing> Yeah that is good. I like how there is a crack in the wood near its head
[20:13] <DanaG> But any others that use the same style for the ibex (as opposed to the full-color "splat" one) will hopefully be just as good.
[20:13] <thorwil> DanaG: problem is the license of the background isn't clear, so we can't use it
[20:14] <DanaG> Yeah, so it'd need a different background.
[20:14] <DanaG> The full-color 'splat' reminds me of some sort of negative connotations... but I'm not quite sure what.
[20:20] <dilomo> hi all I'm back for the weekend only
[20:20] <thorwil> hi dilomo. welcome back for the weekend, then :)
[20:21] <dilomo> :)
[20:21] <dilomo> what's up around hert
[20:21] <dilomo> here*
[20:22] <thorwil> dilomo: well, Breathe has officially started now
[20:22] <dilomo> cool
[20:22] <thorwil> dilomo: a few people are playing with an ibex made by Rico. the fragmented one from a Dust mockup
[20:22] <DanaG> The full-color ibex reminds me of graffiti or violent things, but the silhouette one reminds me of flower petals floating off a tree, or something.
[20:22] <dilomo> aha so
[20:23] <dilomo> trowil: is this going to be the default
[20:23] <dilomo> wallpaper?
[20:23] <thorwil> dilomo: i guess not, but how would i know?
[20:23] <dilomo> It is good for sure
[20:24]  * DannyKing agrees
[20:24] <DanaG> There's just the license issue.
[20:25] <dilomo> what issue?
[20:25] <DanaG> "(12:13:36 PM) thorwil: DanaG: problem is the license of the background isn't clear, so we can't use it"
[20:25] <thorwil> dilomo: strictly refering to the bg in http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5246/redibexcb7.jpg
[20:26] <thorwil> dilomo: i made http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/ubuntu-artwork/thorwils_backgrounds/annotate/32?file_id=rsc_ibex_trivet.jpg-20080927154856-l2xo5c38l0j5uun8-4
[20:26] <thorwil> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/ubuntu-artwork/thorwils_backgrounds/annotate/32?file_id=rsc_ibex_woodblock.j-20080927154856-l2xo5c38l0j5uun8-6
[20:26] <thorwil> dilomo: and a Ryan on the list: http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3098/ibex1920x1440nc9.jpg
[20:27]  * thorwil wished LP would use shoter links somehow
[20:27] <DannyKing> You could use tinyurl.com
[20:27] <dilomo> good job
[20:27] <thorwil> DannyKing: here yes. on the list not for archival reasons
[20:27] <thorwil> ty
[20:28] <dilomo> I like all of them. Only the first one is too reddish
[20:28] <dilomo> so is the ibex pattern separate?
[20:28] <thorwil> yes
[20:28] <dilomo> can I have it to try smth out?
[20:29] <thorwil> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/114190/2009 Dust/bare.png
[20:29] <DanaG> gotta' love URLs with spaces...
[20:29] <thorwil> dilomo: Rico offered it to all of us
[20:29] <dilomo> thank you and him ;)
[20:30] <DanaG> Block is too light, trivet is nice but a bit scratched up.... perhaps a stylistic choice?
[20:31] <DanaG> That bare one is the full-color one; how do you get the silouhette one from it?
[20:31] <thorwil> DanaG: to some degree. the wood is as the wood is ;)
[20:32] <DanaG> Yeah, I meant the choice of what wood to photograph.
[20:32] <thorwil> DanaG: layer modes in GIMP, gardation curves, transparency ...
[20:32] <DanaG> Aah.
[20:33] <thorwil> DanaG: to scan in my case. really not much choice here, but i'm quite happy with both versions
[20:37] <thorwil> ah, rsc- you have been the topic here :)
[20:38] <rsc-> yeah?
[20:38] <rsc-> any juicy details I missed? :)
[20:39] <thorwil> rsc-: seems everyone enjoys your fragmented ibex
[20:39] <thorwil> rsc-: i hope you're ok with http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~t-w-/ubuntu-artwork/thorwils_backgrounds/files/32?file_id=ibex_rico_sta_cruz-20080927154856-l2xo5c38l0j5uun8-1
[20:43] <rsc-_> thorwil, i just put it out there for everyone to have a whack at. everyone's free to do their own take of it :)
[20:43] <rsc-_> i'm not a big fan of the inset effect though
[20:44] <DanaG> I do like the original red ibex best; it just needs a correct-license background.
[20:44] <rsc-_> sorry dana.
[20:44] <DanaG> That could be a task for the mailing list: find nice wood textures to use.
[20:44] <rsc-_> i lifted that background off starbucks.com
[20:44] <rsc-_> i'm afraid i can't find a suitable free replacement for it
[20:44] <DanaG> The others have changed more than the background.
[20:44] <DanaG> Wood texture scavenger hunt.
[20:45] <dilomo> we can make new one
[20:45] <dilomo> and I think even better bg
[20:45] <dilomo> tomorrow I'm going to shoot some bg
[20:45] <dilomo> and make them available to you all
[20:46] <rsc-_> i suggest keep the texture simple
[20:46] <thorwil> cool. i really enjoy working with high-res textures
[20:46] <rsc-_> the overbearing, very-detailed wood textures don't quite work too well.
[20:46] <rsc-_> anyone remember Mayang?
[20:46] <rsc-_> that site with lots of hires textures?
[20:46] <rsc-_> man i miss that site. :(
[20:46] <rsc-_> http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/3504/screenshot1pngwj2.jpg
[20:47] <rsc-_> ^-- the composition with a gradient at the back
[20:47] <rsc-_> quick-and-easy winner, yes?
[20:47] <rsc-_> :p
[20:47] <thorwil> no :)
[20:47] <rsc-_> haha.
[20:47] <rsc-_> what about using the elephant texture?
[20:47] <rsc-_> ...that ubuntu ships with.
[20:48] <rsc-_> .. /usr/share/backgrounds/simple-ubuntu.png
[20:48] <thorwil> rsc-_: at least do an oval one, center in looking direction of the ibex. overlayed with slight left to right color change :)
[20:48] <rsc-_> oval?
[20:48] <rsc-_> a distorted radial gradient you mean?
[20:48] <thorwil> yes
[20:49] <thorwil> radial might do it, actually
[20:50] <DanaG> http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/portables/personal/zen_wallpaper/ -- hmm, HP has some cool things.
[20:50] <rsc-_> not feeling it :/
[20:52] <DanaG> Yeah, I do still prefer my own wallpapers.  Sure beats the defaults in Windows, though.
[20:52] <DanaG> mebae_01 is kind of a nice color, but doesn't look like real woodgrain.
[20:53] <dilomo> so what kind of wood are we talking about?
[20:53] <dilomo> a scattered one or smooth one
[20:53] <thorwil> dilomo: wouldn't hurt to have a whole set
[20:54] <dilomo> :) ok
[20:54] <DannyKing> I like this wood: http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-2-93584910
[20:54] <dilomo> because I'm going to a village of mine and there is a lot of different textures wood old paint  ...
[20:55] <dilomo> DannyKing: this is old and as far as I know it is under copyright
[20:57] <DannyKing> Ah
[20:57] <thorwil> Nece228: don't ever dare to PM me again
[20:58] <DannyKing> ?
[20:58] <Nece228> thorwil: its a private talk
 im angry that you are calling me troll just because i asked question two times
 in fact in forum you didnt show me respect
 and saying that im harmful makes me feel even worse
 makes me feel even worse about you
[20:58] <Nece228> thorwil: im not gonna say this to public
[20:58] <thorwil> _MMA_: ^
[20:58] <Nece228> thorwil: and you acted like a kid
[20:59] <rsc-_> Nece228, if he doesn't want to be talked to in private, either you talk to him in public or not at all.
[20:59] <Nece228> rsc- but he should not paste to public what ive said
[21:00] <thorwil> Nece228: either stand for it or don't say it
[21:00] <rsc-_> "this is a shame. i have been following the art mailing list for a while and it's really disappointing the amount of compromises that are being made each day (dust theme for example)" <-- from the forums. heh :)
[21:00] <_MMA_> Nece228: It's very common for people to not want to talk in private. It helps to avoid issues of "but he said this".
[21:01] <Nece228> _MMA_ but he should respect me like a human
[21:01] <_MMA_> Nece228: So you either respect the request, talk publicly, or say nothing.
[21:01]  * DanaG goes off to reboot to new kernel...
[21:01] <thorwil> good night for the good people here! :)
[21:01] <Nece228> _MMA_ you needed to say that before
[21:02] <DanaG> Sat Sep 27 13:02:05 PDT 2008
[21:02] <DanaG> yay, /exec
[21:02] <Nece228> thorwil: but the hell you calling me harmful
[21:02] <rsc-_> on another note.
[21:02] <rsc-_> does anyone know what "5 a day" is?
[21:03] <DanaG> servings of fruit?
[21:03] <DanaG> or bread?
[21:03] <_MMA_> rsc-_: It's bug triaging.
[21:03] <DanaG> 5 a day keeps the doctor away?
[21:03] <DanaG> Oh,
[21:03] <DanaG> .
[21:03] <Nece228> after all i think its the worst ubuntu channel
[21:03] <Nece228> bye]
[21:03] <rsc-_> http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Ibex-Wallpaper-94885227
[21:04] <rsc-_> probably copyrighted.
[21:04]  * _MMA_ looks.
[21:04] <rsc-_> i even doubt he made that wallpaper. it looks like another wallpaper i've seen before, but recolored
[21:04] <_MMA_> Exactly.
[21:05] <BHSPitLappy> because it is
[21:05] <rsc-_> how unfortunate :/
[21:06] <_MMA_> rsc-_: There's *so* many variants of it. There is links to the author but its doubtful.
[21:06] <_MMA_> s/is/are
[21:06] <rsc-_> mm-hmm
[21:06] <BHSPitLappy> who keeps their shopping list as a pdf
[21:07] <BHSPitLappy> I mean, seriously
[21:07] <_MMA_> rsc-_: Note. This is *real* quick work but I had a quick go at one. http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/floor_gray.png
[21:08] <rsc-_> BHSPitLappy, who?
[21:08] <BHSPitLappy> rsc-_, look at that mockup again
[21:08] <rsc-_> _MMA_: i'm sure it can work with some tweaking
[21:08] <BHSPitLappy> repaste: http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-2-93584910
[21:09] <_MMA_> rsc-_: Yeah. It needs its tone evened out. Might be better to start with a different sample.
[21:09] <rsc-_> ugh jesus
[21:09] <rsc-_> i dont understand the ruckus around that mockup
[21:09] <rsc-_> i mean, okay, cool... gnome-do + avant
[21:09] <BHSPitLappy> it's appley
[21:09] <BHSPitLappy> people have their applegasms and clamor for it
[21:10] <rsc-_> but everything else are just applets, an impossible gnome menu, and an uninspired gtk theme
[21:10] <rsc-_> i think i lost some respect for the community after all the "omg drool" feedback on that
[21:14] <_MMA_> haha. "applegasms" My desktop atm. http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Screenshot.png "Appley" sure but fits my workflow.
[21:14] <_MMA_> Not that far from default Studio setup.
[21:14] <_MMA_> AWN is the biggest thing.
[21:14] <dilomo> nice bg
[21:14] <dilomo> did you do it yourself
[21:19] <rsc-_> _MMA_, any reason for the preference for hinted fonts?
[21:19] <rsc-_> just curious.
[21:19] <rsc-_> also: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5897/testfd1.jpg
[21:20] <rsc-_> also: nice inkscape icon.
[21:31] <_MMA_> rsc-_: I think I use full hinting but I cant really speak with any credulity as to what things *should* be. Just looks fine to me. :)
[21:32] <_MMA_> dilomo: It's a work of an artists I'm working with for Studio.
[21:32] <dilomo> it's very good
[21:33] <dilomo> congrats
[21:36] <dilomo> have a good night everybody (or at least me :) )
[21:45] <PRGUY85> where do you suggest the current community themes head to after they were included in the community-theme package?
[22:07] <_MMA_> Cimi kwwii: Looks like a new bug as a direct result of my current Murrine pet peeve. Bug 275271 (removal of stripes on tabs)
[22:11] <_MMA_> rsc-_: Is that new link using my wood image?
[22:41] <psyke83> kwwii: still here? The icons that nm-applet rely on are only available in 24x24 size (they're not even available as .svg files). This means that the 24x24 sizes are selected instead of the Tango fallback, making things ugly. Can we fix this? Are there other sources of the Human icons that aren't in the package?
[23:15] <kwwii> psyke83: hrm, nope...there are no other sources
[23:15] <kwwii> the only thing we could do is to redraw the icon at that size
[23:15] <psyke83> kwwii: if we delete the icon, then the tango fallback is used properly...
[23:16] <kwwii> psyke83: except we don't install tango by default
[23:16] <andreasn> psyke83: do you mean hicolor?
[23:17] <andreasn> what does it look like?
[23:17] <psyke83> kwwii, hrm, I thought we did... but in any case, the gnome fallback is also available and looks good
[23:18] <kwwii> psyke83: yeah, depending on where else that icon is used
[23:19] <psyke83> kwwii: I'm not sure if it's a bug, because nm-applet seems to ignore the 24x24 icons in favor of the 22x22, and scales the 24x24 to 22x22 (despite fallbacks from other icon themes being available)... that happens even when I use the gtk-icon-size parameter in the gtkrc
[23:19]  * _MMA_ votes for a redraw. Shouldn't be too hard.
[23:19] <psyke83> _MMA_, three or four icons will need redrawing, then
[23:32] <DannyKing> I don't suppose anyone knows a way around having to restart X after plugging in a wacom tablet to get it work properly
[23:32] <DannyKing> ?
[23:33] <psyke83> DannyKing, wrong channel. Check #ubuntu for the answer. If you're using Hardy, hotplugging should work
[23:33] <DannyKing> Thanks
[23:34] <kwwii> _MMA_: I figured out one thing that was missed when making the template
[23:34] <kwwii> the plates need to start on a major grid line
[23:42] <DanaG> ooh, I like the new gdm theme.
[23:48] <psyke83> kwwii: will I file a bug for nm-applet for you?


[00:11] <mup> PR snapcraft#2838 opened: add support for system-usernames <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2838>
[00:12] <cjp256> mup: well done! you are quite responsive today! :D
[00:12] <mup> cjp256: In-com-pre-hen-si-ble-ness.
[01:52] <mup> PR snapd#7877 opened: tests: avoid mask rsyslog service in case is not enabled on the system <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7877>
[06:27] <mborzecki> morning
[07:19] <sdhd-sascha> good morning
[07:33] <zyga> Good morning
[07:33] <zyga> I will start late today
[07:34] <zyga> Kids have no regular school and nobody woke up early
[07:49] <mborzecki> zyga: no school today? have i missed something?
[07:50] <mup> PR snapd#7821 closed: interfaces/seccomp: parallelize seccomp backend setup <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7821>
[08:01] <pstolowski> morning
[08:04] <mup> PR snapd#7872 closed: doc: HACKING.md change autopkgtest-trusty-amd64.img name <Created by sd-hd> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7872>
[08:11] <mup> PR snapd#7876 closed: seed: fix seed location of local but asserted snaps <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7876>
[08:21] <mvo> mborzecki: do you think you could have a look at 7870?
[08:21] <mborzecki> mvo: sure
[08:22] <mvo> mborzecki: thank you!
[08:22] <mup> PR snapd#7874 closed: seed: support ModeSnaps(mode) for mode != "run" <UC20> <Created by pedronis> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7874>
[08:34] <zyga> mborzecki: no, theatre and medical examination for Iza and Jan respectively
[08:34] <zyga> Nothing makes the morning lively as a broken jar of jam on the carpet
[08:35] <zyga>  But on the upside the carpet was not this clean in weeks
[08:35] <zyga> And I also cleaned the dust filter in Iza’s PC
[08:36] <zyga> Now I only need breakfast and shower an I can get to work
[09:44] <zyga> re
[09:44] <zyga> finally
[09:44] <zyga> everyone's gone and I can work
[09:45] <zyga> I'm on bug triage duty today
[10:33] <mup> PR snapd#7870 closed: boot,bootloader: setup the snap recovery system bootenv <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7870>
[10:34] <mup> PR snapd#7817 closed: boot,bootloader: make MakeBootable() uc20 aware <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Closed by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7817>
[10:44] <mup> PR snapd#7878 opened: cmd/snapd-generator: fix unit name for non /snap mount locations <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7878>
[10:45] <mborzecki> zyga: mvo: ^^ trivial fix
[10:56] <pedronis> pstolowski: we can try to have our chat about services after the standup today?
[10:58] <pstolowski> pedronis: great. i'll need a 10 minute break right after the standup for a very quick errand
[10:59] <pedronis> pstolowski: that's fine with me
[11:00] <pedronis> mvo: suggested comment for one of your follow ups as discussed:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PTFrKZGgz5/
[11:04] <Chipaca> whoops, forgot to turn on irc today for some reason
[11:05] <Chipaca> only realised because i thought to share: i need to measure, but the impression i get is that interacting with snapd perceptibly slows down as the number of changes grows
[11:05] <Chipaca> now this might just mean i get more impatient as the test i'm working on progresses :)
[11:06] <Chipaca> so i need to measure, but, that
[11:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: it's not impossible we do quite a few things that in the order of #changes
[11:07] <Chipaca> pedronis: yup
[11:07] <Chipaca> pedronis: it shouldn't be perceptible though :)
[11:07] <Chipaca> in the sense that if it is we might want to fix it
[11:07] <Chipaca> so i'll be measuring that at some point
[11:07] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes, but please channels first
[11:07] <mvo> pedronis: thanks, in a meeting
[11:08] <pedronis> mborzecki: mvo: #7873 needs a master merge now I think
[11:08] <mup> PR #7873: image: set recovery system label when creating the image <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7873>
[11:08] <zyga> mborzecki: looking
[11:08] <Chipaca> pedronis: that's the test i'm working on that i saw this in
[11:08] <mborzecki> just yesterday I read an article about O(n^2) in WMI, maybe we're hitting a similar sweet-spot with changes
[11:08] <Chipaca> channels i mean
[11:08] <mborzecki> pedronis: already updated
[11:08] <pedronis> mborzecki: thx, just saw that
[11:11] <mvo> pedronis: will do after my meeting, thank you!
[11:11] <pedronis> mborzecki did it already
[11:11] <pedronis> I also +1ed
[11:11] <pedronis> it
[11:27] <mvo> pedronis: \o/
[11:27] <mvo> pedronis, mborzecki thank you so much!
[11:41] <mup> PR snapd#7878 closed: cmd/snapd-generator: fix unit name for non /snap mount locations <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7878>
[12:05] <mup> PR snapd#7873 closed: image: set recovery system label when creating the image <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7873>
[12:35] <mup> PR snapd#7879 opened: [RFC] devicestate: use httputil.ShouldRetryError() in prepareSerialRequest <Simple 😃> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7879>
[12:37] <mup> PR snapd#7880 opened: snapstate: add support for UC20 gadget in {Config,Gadget}Defaults <UC20> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7880>
[12:58] <cachio> mvo, hey
[12:59] <cachio> mborzecki, hey
[12:59] <cachio> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KbBGqQNC2R/
[12:59] <cachio> after we run some tests the rsyslog remains masked
[12:59] <cachio> an example is ubuntu-core-config-defaults-once
[13:00] <cachio> it happens on ubuntu core 18
[13:00] <cachio> where the rsyslog is not part of the system
[13:00] <cachio> seems to be a bug
[13:00] <cachio> zyga, ~
[13:01] <cachio> someone could confirm if it is working as design or it is something to fix?
[13:20] <mvo> hey cachio ! thanks for this report
[13:26] <cachio> mvo, yaw
[13:34] <mborzecki> cachio: snap-set-core-config needs a fix, but that other test does not, my comment was about the other test
[13:38] <cachio> mborzecki, my question is about the problem seems to be in snapd itself because it leaves the rsyslog as masked in case hte service does not exist in the system
[13:39] <cachio> I mean, in case rsyslog does not exist, when we restore everyting in the test the rsyslog service should not appear any more in systemd right?
[13:44] <zyga> cachio: are you saying test restore should undo the masking
[13:44] <zyga> cachio: or snapd should undo the masking under some condition?
[13:45] <cachio> zyga, snapd should do it if possible
[13:45] <zyga> cachio: ok, what is the condition when snapd should unmask rsyslog?
[13:45] <cachio> but if not, I'll change the test ot do it in the test
[13:45] <cachio> zyga, in core18 rsyslog is not installed by default
[13:46] <cachio> so we mask it but it not installed
[13:52] <zyga> cachio: do we ever ask snapd to unmask it?
[13:52] <cachio> no
[13:52] <cachio> zyga, but perhaps we should no mask a service which does not exist
[13:53] <zyga> so the fact it is not installed is not relevant
[13:53] <zyga> if it was installed the bug would be back
[13:53] <zyga> we either need to ask snapd to unmask it
[13:53] <zyga> or know about this in global test restore and undo it
[13:53] <cachio> zyga, I can unmask the service in the test
[13:53] <cachio> it is easy
[13:54] <zyga> consider doing that globally as well
[13:54] <zyga> since it is part of the "state" we undo
[13:54] <cachio> zyga, ok
[13:54] <cachio> I am working in another PR to make a set of validations during hte restore
[13:54] <cachio> I'll include that on this one
[13:55] <zyga> sure, as you wish
[14:47] <pstolowski> pedronis: i'm in, can you hear me?
[14:48] <pedronis> pstolowski: sorry, one sec
[14:56]  * cachio afk 10 mins
[15:22] <ijohnson> hey folks, quick question how can I create cohorts for a demo of how they work? (maybe pedronis can point me in the right direction?)
[15:31] <jdstrand> pedronis: hey, can you take a look at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/synchrorep-need-classic-confinement/13347/8 (and https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/synchrorep-need-classic-confinement/13347/9). no need to say anything unless you want to overrule me
[15:43] <zyga> ijohnson: hey
[15:43] <ijohnson> zyga hey
[15:43] <zyga> ijohnson: you need to set a cohort key via snap set AFAIK
[15:43] <zyga> ijohnson: any number of machines can set the same key
[15:43] <ijohnson> but how do I create a cohort key
[15:43] <ijohnson> ?
[15:43] <zyga> ijohnson: and then they will see the same view of revisions
[15:43] <zyga> ijohnson: it's just a string
[15:43] <zyga> AFAIK
[15:43] <zyga> but I can be wrong
[15:43] <zyga> Chipaca: ^ quick help please
[15:43] <ijohnson> hmm
[15:44]  * cachio lunch
[15:45] <pedronis> ijohnson: snap create-cohort snap-names
[15:45] <zyga> thank you pedronis!
[15:46] <ijohnson> perfect thanks!
[15:47] <pedronis> ijohnson: you can one key per snap
[15:47] <pedronis> that you care about
[15:49] <jdstrand> pedronis, mvo: fyi, I'm going through store reviews today and then moving to PR reviews https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pulls/review-requested/jdstrand (jeez, a ton came in since the sprint)
[15:50] <Chipaca> zyga: in a meeting sorry
[15:50] <zyga> Chipaca: no worries, pedronis already gave the answer
[15:51] <jdstrand> pedronis, mvo: I am going to start with 7238, then 5822 and 7490 (the priority that pedronis gave me in Vancouver)
[15:51] <Chipaca> ijohnson: snap create-cohort
[15:51] <jdstrand> pedronis, mvo: fyi, I had a huge pile of stuff that accumulated due to sprint prep, sprint immediate asks, postsprint catchup, then holidays
[15:51] <pedronis> jdstrand: yes, that's why we setup a meeting later in the week to try to prioritize those a bit, and reunderstand the very old ones
[15:52] <Chipaca> ijohnson: gives you a yaml that you then ship everywhere that wants to use the cohort
[15:52] <jdstrand> pedronis, mvo: which is why I am behind. we can meet on thur as requested, but honestly, I'd prefer an email with the PRs in the priority you'd like them reviewed. then I can work that list and give updates until it is done
[15:53] <jdstrand> pedronis, mvo: ok, well, that's fine. I'm just going off what you want, but we can have the meeting
[15:53] <jdstrand> hopefully the list will be a little shorter by then
[15:56] <Chipaca> pedronis: mvo: as a conclusion I don't think we need to block cutting the next release, but we do need to not actually release it without the TBD fixes
[15:56] <Chipaca> pedronis: mvo: so maybe a -pre would be more honest :)
[16:07] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: hope it was ok to write you per mail directly?
[16:07] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: that's ok, I haven't seen your mail yet though
[16:07] <zyga> I don't really follow email that well (>>>1000 email unread)
[16:08] <sdhd-sascha> oh
[16:36] <pedronis> mvo_: seems lot of Core 20 bits were not in 2.42 but after
[16:44] <mvo_> pedronis yeah, that sounds plausible
[16:45] <mvo_> pedronis 2.42 is pretty "old" :/
[16:45] <mvo_> pedronis why is it a concern? is anyone using stable for uc20?
[16:49] <Chipaca> zyga: what was the name of the forum thing where we document some missing things in snapd, like homes needing to be there all the time?
[16:49] <Chipaca> ah, limitations in snapd, got it
[16:50] <zyga> Chipaca: ah, let me find it
[16:50] <zyga> ah you found it :D
[16:50] <zyga> sorry
[16:51] <Chipaca> zyga: context is https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/updates-delete-user-application-data/14568 fwiw
[16:55] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: just want to say that you can also give me some  tasks.
[16:57] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: if you want to get into development my best advice would be follow code reviews
[16:57] <zyga> we have lots of things going on
[16:58] <zyga> and we have a specific style of interaction that may not be common in other projects
[16:58] <zyga> most churn goes into RPs at the top of the list
[16:58] <zyga> older PRs tend to "sink" to the bottom where they see less activity
[16:58] <zyga> reviewing code has two benefits: you get to familiarize yourself with what's going on and where
[16:58] <zyga> and you get to see how the review process looks like
[16:59] <zyga> note, I have not read your mail yet
[17:02] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks for your feedback earlier, I will think about it
[17:22] <mup> PR snapd#7768 closed: interfaces: add raw-volume interface for access to partitions <Created by jdstrand> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7768>
[17:23] <pedronis> jdstrand: I merged ^ , now 7875 has some conflicts
[17:24] <jdstrand> pedronis: thanks and ack (weird, I branched off my last commit to raw-volume, but I'll fix)
[17:25] <pedronis> jdstrand: it's likely because I squased 7768 because there was too much back and forth in its history
[17:26] <mvo> hm, 7830 has two +1 and is green - can I merge it?
[17:27] <pedronis> mvo: it would be ok for me
[17:29] <mvo> ta
[17:30] <mup> PR snapd#7830 closed: interfaces: include hooks in plug/slot apparmor label <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7830>
[18:17] <sdhd-sascha> jdstrand: hi. If i understand it right, then classic will be in future only supported in a few cases. For me it's ok if you write into the forum, that it want be supported and there will be soon other ways to launch other applications. E.g. "app-launch". Then i can close my issue on github and point to the forum. I personally want to concentrate on the strict wayland snap.
[20:10] <blackboxsw> hi folks, are people seeing issues where snapd.seeded never completes on lxc (disco && eoan) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1806070?
[20:10] <mup> Bug #1806070: snapd.seeded.service never completes preventing full boot to default target <amd64> <apport-bug> <bionic> <snapd:Fix Released> <snapd (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1806070>
[20:26] <jdstrand> degville: hey, fyi, took a stab at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-raw-volume-interface/14578
[20:40] <degville> jdstrand: brilliant, thanks you!
[20:52] <ogra> blackboxsw, given that bug was fixed a year ago, you should really better open a fresh one ... (your error also does look different, snapd isnt stuck in the "Doing" state for the initialization but actually errored)
[20:52] <blackboxsw> ogra: will do. Thanks, I'll try grabbing more details about the symptoms I'm seeing and file fresh
[20:53] <blackboxsw> worth opening a bug or snapcraft forum discussion?
[20:53] <ogra> (you probably want to include the output of "snap tasks 1" as well)
[20:53]  * blackboxsw reads : https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/when-to-use-forum-vs-irc/38
[20:53] <blackboxsw> thx will do
[20:53] <ogra> i'd open a bug ... but thats really up to you, the snapd guys look at both, launchapd as well as the forum
[20:53] <blackboxsw> ok thanks
[21:08]  * cachio eod
[21:34] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: it's not urgent. but maybe, you have a hint for me. I want to allow access to /run/systemd/sessions/<id> . No i found that commonFilesInterface doesn't allow apparmor wildcards... Is there another where, instead of using "system-files" ?
[21:35] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: sorry... "login-session-observe"
[21:35] <sdhd-sascha> i found it
[22:30] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#25 opened: Fix kernel path in recovery grub.cfg <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/25>
[22:31] <jdstrand> degville: fyi, one more for you: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/the-login-session-observe-interface/14580
[22:47] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: I think /run is special cased to be off-limits by some of the special interfaces
[22:47] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: ping me tomorrow please
[22:47] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: login_session_observe from jdstrand, 18 days ago seems to work
[22:48] <zyga> sdhd-sascha: that's cool, I meant that the generic "gimme a path" interfaces may not work
[22:48] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: i have found a missing apparmor method in login-session-control
[22:48] <sdhd-sascha> i will push it later
[22:48] <zyga> obviously a precise interface can open any location
[22:48] <zyga> ok
[22:48] <sdhd-sascha> but i didn't found a interface for policykit ...
[22:48] <sdhd-sascha> but let's talk tomorrow
[22:49] <sdhd-sascha> "gimme a path" ?
[22:50] <sdhd-sascha> zyga: good night
[22:56] <mup> PR pc-amd64-gadget#25 closed: Fix kernel path in recovery grub.cfg <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/pc-amd64-gadget/pull/25>
[23:07] <degville> jdstrand: looks good - thanks for letting me know!
[23:07] <jdstrand> np
[23:14] <mup> PR snapd#7881 opened: login-session-control - added missing dbus commands <Created by sd-hd> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/7881>
[23:47] <jdstrand> rbasak: fyi, I haven't forgotten about certbot. it is first up tomorrow


[13:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[18:31] <mamarley> Is Jammy going to get Applications 21.08.3 too?
[18:39] <RikMills> mamarley: I am debating on doing that, or the 21.12 beta which is out now
[18:40] <RikMills> in either case I may well land fw 5.88.0 tomorrow 1st
[18:42] <mamarley> Thanks!
[23:09] <santa_> godd night everyone
[23:09] <santa_> * good
[23:10] <santa_> RikMills: is fw-5.88 done? I was going to do it tonight because I had an horrible week
[23:10] <santa_> I got KA prepared for jammy though
[23:30] <valorie> good night santa_


[16:20] <mojo706> Hey
[16:20] <mojo706> ping me if you think I'm offline
[18:10] <tony_math> it's past 9pm in Nairobi, I'm in Canada... 2:10pm on a very nice Thursday afternoon.
[18:10] <tony_math> Is anyone in here?
[18:37] <mojo706> yeah I'm still here sorry for the silence. I'm having problems with PHP :)
[19:13] <mojo706> tony_math: it can get lonely here sometimes. But whenever I'm online I try to be here always who knows people might come back :)
[19:48] <tony_math> I also took off for a while.
[20:19] <mojo706> are you from Kenya? are you a member of the LoCo?


 Okay
 I just knowed the super button
 But not the meta, thanks
[02:59] <Drazur> Greetings. I have an issue when trying to install Kubuntu 22.04 LTS from Live USB. I have an old motherboard with legacy BIOS (no UEFI), but after choosing the partitions I got a "No EFI system partition was found" message.
 Microsoft button on the left (re @Oskar: What is meta button?)
[03:54] <Drazur> Greetings. I have an old PC with legacy BIOS (no UEFI). When I'm choosing the partitions on the Kubuntu 22.04 installer, I get this warning:
[03:54] <Drazur> No EFI System Partition was found. This system will likely not be able to boot successfully, and the installation process may fail.
[04:30] <guiverc> Drazur, a warning about no ESP being partitions can be ignored on a BIOS/legacy box.. is the message you're getting from the installer (if so ignore it), or a post-install, post-boot error message?
[04:32] <guiverc> Drazur, I wrote an answer here long ago; it maybe helpful - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1273421/lubuntu-installer-giving-error-after-partition-creation-your-system-may-or-may
[04:32] <guiverc> The message from the installer is a WARNING only, not an error (yeah a number of people read it as an error though & there is a bug about changing the wording so it's less confusing for end-users)
[04:32] <Drazur> It is a message I'm getting from the installer, on the menu where I choose how to format (or not) the partitions, guiverc.
[04:34] <guiverc> that askubu won't help much; a quick search found it, there is a better one but I'm not going to look for it sorry
[04:35] <guiverc> If your system is using uEFI or Secure-uEFI then the message really matters; I QA-test with old BIOS boxes & just ignore it as it doesn't apply (they don't know what to do with ESP/efi system partition even if present)
[04:35] <Drazur> Don't worry. I'm tired of looking at askubuntu too, haha. So, nothing bad will happen if I just continue the instalation, ignoring that no EFI warning, right, guiverc?
[04:36] <Drazur> My motherboard has no UEFI nor Secure Boot. I bought it in 2011, lol.
[04:36] <guiverc> Yep...   I'm saying if your box is BIOS (not uEFI) it'll boot if MBR or boot-loader is written to correct drive
[04:37] <guiverc> I check to ensure the MBR or boot loader is written to correct drive, I'm writing to correct drive/partitions in summary screen; uEFI doesn't matter on pre-uEFI boxes
[04:38] <Drazur> It's a relief to know that. I've made the same partition setup in previous LTS versions of Kubuntu, and this is the first time I got an EFI warning.
[04:39] <Drazur> I will give it a try.
[04:41] <guiverc> the message has been there a number of releases, but I forget when it was added, and it's more obvious on some releases than others; the post I mention it was 20.04 but I think it was introduced in 2019 but I forget
[04:43] <Drazur> I don't remember getting this warning with 20.04, but it was 2 years ago. I don't remember very well.
[06:25] <alkisg> Drazur: it's as you say; to fix it, participate in my bug report there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1951674
 Any tips for this? (re @npeippo: Looks like Firefox's default keyboard shortcut for jumping to a certain tab is ALT+number. I'm used to ^+number from Windows, is it possible to change? Couldn't find from ffox's own settings.)
 Thought it alt gr (re @Oov: Microsoft button on the left)
 Super button is at my pc windows button
 Same (re @Oskar: Super button is at my pc windows button)
 Ok how?
[14:23] <oerheks> super = windows, Altgr = meta..
[14:23] <oerheks> 2 different things, bing it?
[14:55] <mybalzitch> this "backups" software is just terrible
[14:55] <mybalzitch> deja dup
[14:59] <mybalzitch> oh, you want an error message on why the storage isn't available? Nope. ok/cancel buttons? Nope. LOGGING?! Definitely nope.
 Which TeamViewer type of an program would you suggest for Kubuntu?
 Something to easily control my computer with my phone
[15:20] <cbreak> npeippo: I have an ssh client on my phone
[15:21] <cbreak> and kde connect can give remote input to some degree (but without screen replay)
[15:21] <cbreak> you might be searching for a VNC style software?
[15:36] <user|29> I need a 32 bit version of kubuntu
[15:38] <oerheks> Kubuntu 18.04 LTS was the last Kubuntu with i386 (x86 32-bit) support.
[15:39] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
[16:03] <cbreak> user|29: x86?
[16:06] <oerheks> oh 18.04 must be EOL now too ..
[16:08] <cbreak> oerheks: doesn't it have 1 more year?
[16:08] <cbreak> hmm...
[16:08] <cbreak> https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[16:08] <cbreak> seems to have a lot of life left, if you're prepared to pay :D
[16:09] <oerheks> esm can be used private, for free.. but do you want such old system
[16:10] <cbreak> I'll be on 22.10 in a few months :D
 22.04 works like a charm, with a little of bugs but they are not worth to talk about except the steam deleting all bug (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> I'll be on 22.10 in a few months :D)
[16:11] <cbreak> it's too bad ubuntu's installer is junk
[16:11] <cbreak> but now that I set my system up myself, I can just fork the zfs dataset with ubuntu, install new versions on it, upgrade
[16:11] <cbreak> and if I don't like it, just go back to an earlier clone
[16:12] <cbreak> oski146: early 22.04 had some stupid zfs related issues, so I was hessitant to upgrade
[16:12] <oerheks> we still need humans to fix bugs
[16:13] <cbreak> yeah. Luckily
[16:13] <oerheks> sorry for that
[16:13] <cbreak> I'd be out of a job out of that if AI could write proper code :D
[16:14] <cbreak> hmm... wonder what 22.10 will be called.
[16:15] <cbreak> "Kinetic Kudu"
 or klumsy klown
[17:00] <cbreak> "Kompletely KDE"
[17:01] <oerheks> king kong would have been nice
[17:12] <cbreak> king's not an adjective though :(
 Kingley kong
 😂
 /names
 /names
 /language@join_captcha_bot
 Why the slash commands not working
 /commands@join_captcha_bot
 /about@join_captcha_bot
[19:35] <cbreak> hmm... does kubuntu not support changing the date format to ISO standard date format?
 I want to know, if i can kount iso images for wine, without using gcdemu
 Mount*
 In cli would be great or another fast solotion, in dolphin
 Itwould be great fast solution for mounting  in dolphin
 And how to remove cdemu completly
[22:04] <bluejaypop> hello, I'm trying to upgrade from 21.04 to 22.04 but is not possible according to this link :  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/73034540/an-upgrade-from-hirsute-to-jammy-is-not-supported-with-this-tool the problem is that I cannot upgrade, it marks error, what should I do on this?
[22:04] <oerheks> !eolupgrade
[22:05] <oerheks> see the EOLupgrade url, add old version to the sources address..
[22:05] <oerheks> there is 1 server as backup.
[22:08] <bluejaypop> oerheks, yes, but what are the source address? I need o upgrade first to 21.10 and then 22.04 afaik
[22:27] <cbreak> bluejaypop: is reinstalling not an option?
[22:28] <cbreak> bluejaypop: read the link the ubottu bot gave you, the last one has the info
[22:33] <oerheks> yes, through 21.10 to 22.04
[22:33] <oerheks> that is, with the -d option,
[23:17] <oski146> hello i want to know if kubuntu has support for fingerprint sensors
[23:18] <oski146> and if my sensors are supported
 Yeah, I have that working (re @IrcsomeBot: <cbreak> and kde connect can give remote input to some degree (but without screen replay))
 But I need the screen to show on my phone, as with TeamViewer. I know TV is available for Linux, but I thought to ask if there are better alternatives to try :)
[23:22] <oski146> how can i install support for fingerprint? plasma 5.24 should support it i have read but dont find anything
[23:24] <oerheks> fingerprint is possible, on supported devices https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html and https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[23:25] <oerheks> that ppa is old, there are only a few more device ids
[23:28] <oski146> how to find out which fp sensor i have
[23:28] <oski146> fprint says no such devices
[23:29] <oski146> i installed from repositories
[23:30] <oski146> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1237451/using-fingerprint-reader-in-kubuntu-20-04-on-thinkpad-t495
[23:32] <oerheks> lsusb, or lspci
[23:34] <oski146> i did and searched for it and it gives me this https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/libfprint/wiki/-/wikis/Devices/27c6:5110
[23:34] <oski146> what means work in progress there?
[23:35] <oerheks> not working yet
[23:37] <oski146> ok so i dive  into the disord there and ask whtas going on thank you here


[07:40] <oal> If I install firefox-trunk, will it replace my current Firefox, or be installed as a separate browser?


[00:00] <fta> then perl -ne '/^(.*?)=(\S+)/; $$d{$ARGV}{$1} = $2; END { for $f (keys %$d) { printf "%s\t%s%s\n", $f =~ m{.*/([^/]+)$}, $$d{$f}{'Exec'}, $$d{$f}{'StartupWMClass'} ? "\t$$d{$f}{'StartupWMClass'}" : "" } }' /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[00:00] <fta> asac, ^^
[00:01] <asac> no its fine
[00:01] <asac> i will add BAMF_WM_CLASS::$$d{$f}{'StartupWMClass'}"
[00:01] <asac> so i can parse it
[00:01] <fta> k
[00:01] <asac> let me try
[00:03] <asac> ok perl -ne '/^(.*?)=(.*)/; $$d{$ARGV}{$1} = $2; END { for $f (keys %$d) { printf "%s\t%s%s\n", $f =~ m{.*/([^/]+)$}, $$d{$f}{'Exec'},$$d{$f}{'StartupWMClass'} ? "\tBAMF_WM_CLASS::$$d{$f}{'StartupWMClass'}" : "" } }' /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[00:03] <asac> seems to work ;)
[00:03] <asac> fun!
[00:03] <asac> thats what they deserve in their post.inst for creating a bamf.index under /usr/share... ;)
[00:03] <asac> instead of /var ;)
[00:04] <asac> ok let me try ;)
[00:07] <asac> BAMF_WM_CLASS::Chromium-browser
[00:07] <asac> ;)
[00:10] <asac> ok lets see
[00:10] <asac> the  bamf.index looks okaish
[00:17] <asac> ok seems to work ;)
[00:18]  * asac double checks, cleans it up an pushes to ppa and branch
[00:24] <asac> 01:24 < asac> ok now it works ;)
[00:24] <asac> 01:24 < asac> ChrisCoulson: debdiff bamf_0.2.58-0ubuntu2.dsc bamf_0.2.58-0ubuntu2.asac1.dsc  | pastebinit
[00:24] <asac> 01:24 < asac> http://pastebin.com/021mPXmu
[00:25] <asac> 01:24 < asac> also pushed lp:~asac/bamf/match-apps-by-startup-wm-class
[00:25] <asac> 01:24 < asac> and uploaded to ppa:asac/ppa
[00:25] <asac> fta: ^
[00:25] <asac> thanks a bunch!!
[00:25] <asac> chromium-browser also still works ;)
[00:25] <asac> and gwibber
[00:25] <asac> guess thats enough
[00:25] <asac> ;)
[00:25] <asac> chrisccoulson: ^ ;)
[00:26] <asac> bloody bastards ;)
[00:26] <fta> :)
[00:26] <asac> relieve!!
[00:26] <asac> can keep firefox in launcher
[00:26] <asac> dailies!!
[00:26] <asac> relief i guess
[00:28] <fta> i don't even see chromium in unity, yet it's my default gnome browser
[00:28] <asac> well ... now you can "keep in launcher" once you have it started ;)
[00:29] <asac> you could do that before for chromium, but not for our daily codenames now i figured ;)
[00:30] <fta> asac, in case you missed it: http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/Chromium-l10n-announce.html  (it's a draft, dpm was supposed to announce that last monday)
[00:31] <asac> thats rocking awesome
[00:32] <fta> asac, and part of it is about to land upstream: http://codereview.chromium.org/5606007/
[00:32] <fta> jcastro, ^^
[00:33] <asac> fta: you also fixed the upstreaming process for it, right?
[00:34] <fta> asac, what do you mean?
[00:35] <asac> fta: feeding back translations from ubuntu to upstream?
[00:35] <asac> or is that still open?
[00:35] <fta> asac, i provide them a folder with both patches and patched files
[00:36] <asac> right
[00:36] <asac> is that in the text?
[00:36] <fta> asac, so there's a manual action needed to land those in trunk
[00:36] <fta> the blog? no, but i didn't write it, dpm did
[00:37] <fta> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/
[00:38] <fta> i should also find a way to report bogus strings to the translators: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/translations/trunk/converter-output.html
[00:38] <asac> right
[00:38] <asac> but at least you can provide patches ;)
[00:38] <asac> that can be included with some manual effort
[00:39] <fta> they still need to wait in codereview
[00:39] <asac> right
[00:39] <asac> fta: you and dpm worked on this?
[00:41] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541225/
[00:41] <asac> anything i should add in my blogpost i was about to fire ;)
[00:42] <asac> fta: fta and dpm ... or fta with help of dpm ;)?
[00:42] <asac> your call
[00:42] <fta> asac, well, i did it: https://code.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head
[00:42] <asac> kk
[00:43] <asac> but i guess he supported you ;)
[00:43] <asac> i can drop him compltely
[00:43] <fta> he's been supporting me :)
[00:43] <fta> especially with the lp bugs against rosetta
[00:44] <asac> fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541226/
[00:45] <asac> so i include the rosetta team in the final sentence i guess
[00:47] <asac> fta: ok more fta centric again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541228/
[00:47] <asac> :)
[00:47] <asac> you have veto right for 3 minutes
[00:47] <asac> then i send it out
[00:48] <fta> (ie, he pushed the lp devs for me, because they hate me)
[00:48] <fta> yep, ok
[00:48] <asac> "ubuntu community translates chromium-browser" is the titel
[00:48] <fta> (sorry, router crashed)
[00:48] <asac> ubuntu community translations for chromium-browser
[00:48] <asac> rather ;)
[00:48] <asac> "ubuntu community translations for chromium browser"
[00:48] <fta> yep, fine
[00:48] <asac> kk
[00:49] <asac> http://asacasa.tumblr.com/post/2148396000/ubuntu-community-translations-for-chromium-browser
[00:49] <fta> asac, seems i can write in python now: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chromium-team/chromium-browser/chromium-translations-tools.head/files  :)
[00:49] <asac> lol
[00:49] <asac> well done
[00:50] <asac> ok i have to go to bed in a bit ... was on first call at 6am ;)
[00:50] <fta> doh
[01:28] <jcastro> fta: man that is so awesome
[01:28] <jcastro> fta: when do you expect it to land? Like, soon this week or after?
[01:29] <fta> jcastro, what, the upstream patch? it needs a +1 from one of the subscribees
[01:30] <jcastro> ok
[01:30] <fta> jcastro, otherwise, it's already in our repos, lucid up to natty
[01:30] <jcastro> high five!
[01:30] <fta> for us, it's fully automatic now
[01:30] <fta> it lands in all 4 ppas too, daily
[02:12] <fta> ohh! http://blog.chromium.org/2010/12/new-crankshaft-for-v8.html
[07:20] <janimo> micahg: tbird build succeeded on arm with the debdiff applied
[07:22] <micahg> janimo: great, thanks, I'll get it uploaded later this evening, I need to go to sleep soon
[07:22] <janimo> micahg: ok, thanks
[07:22] <micahg> janimo: is your name in the changelog so I can give you proper attribution?
[07:22] <janimo> yes, it is a regular debian/changelog entry
[07:23] <micahg> janimo: ok, great, thanks
[07:50] <asac> chrisccoulson: when can i try global menu in the dailies
[07:51] <asac> or wont that be available in maverick dailies?
[15:39] <fta> jdstrand, hi, Chromium 8.0.552.224 including a handful of security fixes expected soon (most probably later today)
[15:39] <jdstrand> ugh
[15:39] <jdstrand> ack
[15:39] <jdstrand> that is an unfortunately fast turnaround
[15:48] <Dimmuxx> Have anybody here tested Crankshaft yet?
[15:55] <micah_netbook> chrisccoulson: we're ok for the release today, right?
[16:25] <fta> Dimmuxx, they claim it's in the canary build, so i assume it's also in the daily builds so you can test it there
[16:31] <fta> jdstrand, did rkhunter stop updating its database for each apt upgrade?
[16:32] <jdstrand> fta: I don't know. mdeslaur, do I remember correctly that you looked at this at some point? ^
[16:32] <fta> it worked fine until 2 days ago
[16:33] <fta> in my last daily report, most of coreutils is reported as having a different hash
[16:34] <fta> fortunately, it matches an upgrade
[16:34] <fta> otherwise, i would have been more than worried
[16:34] <mdeslaur> jdstrand, fta: isn't that a manual cron job that you have to set up?
[16:35] <fta> it's not a post-upgrade apt task??
[16:35]  * mdeslaur doesn't know
[16:37] <fta> yep, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90rkhunter
[16:38] <fta> oh, that upgrade changed my /etc/default/rkhunter
[16:38] <fta> grrr
[16:38] <mdeslaur> fta: where did 90rkhunter come from?
[16:39] <mdeslaur> ah, maintainer script
[16:39] <mdeslaur> fta: looks like you know more about it than me :)
[16:39] <mdeslaur> fta: With the powers invested in me, I hereby declare you the rkhunter Expert!
[16:39] <mdeslaur> :)
[16:39] <fta> lol
[19:23] <fta> jcastro, fyi, mandriva is interested by our community translations for chromium
[19:24] <jcastro> nice
[19:24] <jcastro> anyone from debian?
[19:25] <jcastro> fta: is spot still doing chromium for fedora? maybe he might be interested.
[19:26] <fta> jcastro, i think spot is still on it. dpm sent a email today to all the known chromium maintainers (i pointed him to a list)
[19:26] <fta> an
[19:26] <jcastro> oh ok, awesome
[19:27] <jcastro> fta: have you had a chance to try that crankshaft thing?
[19:28] <fta> jcastro, not sure. as i said earlier: "they claim it's in the canary build, so i assume it's also in the daily builds so you can test it there"
[19:28] <jcastro> ah sorry, must have missed your previous response
[19:28] <fta> ~3h ago
[19:51] <asac> fta: heh. so i posted the translation NEWS even before it was officially annonuced ;)
[19:51] <asac> fta: you tricked me into believing i was late :-P
[20:14] <micahg> jdstrand: looks like it was released, it's on the feed from Distrowatch
[20:15] <jdstrand> I don't see it on http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/ yet
[20:15] <micahg> http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/
[20:15] <jdstrand> but clearly it is coming
[20:36] <fta> asac, did I? i said dpm was supposed to announce it ealier this week
[20:37] <fta> asac, btw, mandriva contacted me today
[20:37] <fta> asac, and some guys to add new langs
[20:37] <fta> asac, ..so it's working :)
[20:43] <asac> nice
[20:43] <asac> nice
[20:43] <asac> awesome
[20:44] <asac> its just funny that dpm's blog post got on planet _after_ i posted my entry suspecting that it might be old news ;)
[20:44] <asac> hope i didnt steal the show ... :)
[20:46] <fta> asac, he posted it after you did, he was 4 days late
[20:46] <asac> right.... his fault :)
[20:46] <fta> asac, but that's not important, you woke him up
[20:47] <asac> guess jono woke him up ;)
[20:47] <asac> after seeing my post :-P
[20:47] <asac> just kidding
[20:47] <asac> thanks!
[20:48] <fta> now, i need to put the desktop file in there too, somehow
[20:49] <micahg> fta: can you get upstream to accept a generic desktop file?
[20:49] <fta> micahg, they already have one
[20:49] <micahg> Mozilla's been kicking around the idea
[20:49] <micahg> oh
[20:50] <micahg> fta: so why not translate that?
[20:50] <fta> it's gogle-chrome
[20:50] <micahg> fta: I meant chromium upstream .desktop file :)
[20:54] <fta> hm, seems they are generating it from C++ now
[21:06] <fta> asac, any idea what it takes to fix bug 641126?
[21:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 641126 in chromium (and 1 other project) "unresolvable R_ARM_THM_CALL relocation (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641126
[21:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can we use the GRE /etc file to get the path for mozjs?  (i.e. install it in the mozjs package, source it, and use GRE_PATH in scripts)
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - hmmm, possibly. but that file really is for the XPCOM glue to use. do we need to do that?
[21:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: need?, no, but I figured that would save us from creating a which-mozjs script
[23:37] <BUGabundo> o/