[01:00] <joshhunt> where can i find the pkg containing vmlinux for my system?
[01:03] <joshhunt> i'm running lucid
[04:02] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Netconsole
[04:03] <DanaG> Say, anyone know if netconsole can handle ipv6 addresses?
[08:42]  * apw yawns
[08:43] <apw> jjohansen, that sounds like upstart is dieing
[08:43] <jjohansen> apw: maybe
[08:44] <apw> init=/bin/sh work ?
[08:45] <jjohansen> hrmm, give me a sec I am dealing with a 2 year old
[08:45] <smb> cooloney, Heya, you know whether Eric will be around again today?
[08:45] <apw> joshhunt, you looking for the debugging symbols?  if so they are in the ddebs on ddeb.ubuntu.com
[08:45] <smb> apw, (if they are not deleted...)
[08:46] <apw> smb, indeed, seems to be more than the usual 3 in there (when its gone wrong) so perhaps they have survived for a change
[08:46] <smb> \o/
[08:47] <RAOF> apw: Scott has suggested that bug #615549 might be something similar to what you've been wrestling re efifb/vesafb.
[08:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 615549 in gdm (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Dell Studio XPS 13 no video (affects: 2) (heat: 176)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615549
[08:50] <RAOF> (The basic problem there being that X is getting started before the kernel modules have finished initialising)
[08:52] <apw> RAOF, not sure it does sound similar, the other bug was a problem with ati cards wherein radeon kms driver doesn't cope with the card being partially initialised when it starts up
[08:52] <apw> there is no race involved as far as i know, its always broken
[08:53] <RAOF> Ok.
[08:54] <RAOF> We should probably go with the safe and slower fix of waiting for udev to finish.
[08:57] <apw> the problem is that presumably has to affect every card
[08:57] <apw> every install, every machine
[08:57] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:57] <apw> you are going to get much resistance to that
[08:59] <apw> smb, like your sru cartoon
[08:59] <jjohansen> apw: so the best I can figure it wasn't upstart or at least not entirely upstart.  There were times I could get the machine to a login prompt, but all input was dead.  Now matter what I did input was dead after leaving the initramrd.
[08:59] <smb> apw, Thanks, Steve thought it was funny, too. :)
[08:59] <jjohansen> I could type within the initramfs console but not after, no recovery etc
[09:00] <apw> thats very very odd
[09:00] <jjohansen> In the end I called it a failed upgrade, reinstalled and everything worked
[09:00] <smb> apw, A pity that its not my drawings. :-O
[09:00] <apw> !
[09:00] <jjohansen> yeah
[09:00] <apw> smb, you could give up your job and go be a cartoonist if they were :)
[09:00] <smb> hehe, yeah. But no, need to stick to the kernels... ;)
[09:01] <apw> i see leann and manjo and you in that cartoon
[09:01] <smb> apw, How would you possibly think of him? ;-P
[09:02] <apw> looks a bit like him, honest
[09:02] <smb> shhh
[09:04] <cking> cartoon?
[09:04] <smb> cking, I send it to you too
[09:06] <smb> cking, Btw, you have no voice today ;-)
[10:12] <xampart> http://pastebin.com/xU95dkQd
[10:14]  * jjohansen waves good night
[10:15] <apw> xampart, ?
[10:17] <xampart> apw: what should i do with this? thought this would be right place to ask information
[10:17] <xampart> noticed this after reboot
[10:18] <apw> that error is nothing to worry about, it says that your BIOS is broken, but that the kernel has papered over it ...
[10:19] <xampart> ok
[10:19] <apw> xampart, but as bots send us links etc with porn or spam in, we don't just look at links people paste till we know they are people
[10:55] <apw> bah, hung again ... i am suspicious that lucid X and maverick kernel are not compatible ... hangy wise
[11:14] <lag> apw: Do you have sudo on orange?
[12:09] <apw> cking, about>
[12:10] <cking> cking, yep
[12:11] <cking> wassup?
[12:12] <apw> mumble ?
[12:12] <cking> hrm, lemme restart it
[13:06] <apw> cking,  you about ?
[13:09] <ogasawara> lovely, just spent the last 4hrs in the ER
[13:11] <apw> ogasawara, ! you ok ?
[13:12] <ogasawara> apw: yah, Wayne sliced his hand open requiring 6 stitches
[13:12] <apw> ouch!  but at least it wasn't you
[13:12] <diwic> ouch
[13:14] <smb> ogasawara, That is quite bad. One could say that might be training for the future... but thats evil. /me goes to self-punish himself
[13:24] <amitk> apw: is the UK on holiday?
[13:24] <apw> amitk, noone told me if it is ...
[13:24] <apw> who you lost ?
[13:24] <smb> amitk, YOu mean the US
[13:24] <smb> maybe?
[13:24] <amitk> smb: no, UK. I'm not seeing too much chatter on the company channel
[13:25] <apw> as far as i know its normal day here
[13:25] <ogra> i think its lab. day
[13:25] <ogra> every US citizen has to do science !
[13:25] <apw> in the US monday i believe
[13:25] <amitk> lol
[13:26] <ogra> oh, right, its monday
[13:26] <apw> the UK no, but its hot :)
[13:26]  * ogra just knew its a long weekend because of it
[13:26] <ogra> so i had a 50/50 chance to be wrong ... lucky me :P
[14:12] <JFo> cking, looking over that bug now
[14:15] <JFo> cking, it looks to be set invalid yes?
[14:15] <JFo> yeah pitti set it invalid in Apr 09
[14:15] <cking> JFo, I think it's valid for some users, it's essentially a tunable
[14:16] <JFo> k
[14:16] <JFo> apw, have a moment to look over bug 264336
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 264336 in postgresql-common (Ubuntu Jaunty) (and 7 other projects) "pgsql fails to start due to shared buffer setting greater than kernel allows (affects: 23) (dups: 14) (heat: 105)" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264336
[14:17] <JFo> if not, no prob. I'll set it up for our call
[14:17] <cking> it's certainly not urgent
[14:18] <JFo> no problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention cking :)
[14:19] <cking> it was my fail for letting it slip off my radar
[14:21] <apw> jfo ack
[14:21] <JFo> thanks apw
[14:21] <JFo> cking, happens to all of us
[14:21] <JFo> me worst of all
[14:35] <diwic> JFo, what's up with the bug triage day, wasn't that in a week from now?
[14:36] <JFo> diwic, yes
[14:36] <JFo> I am setting up logistics on it
[14:36] <JFo> diwic, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BugTriage/Summit/Maverick
[14:37] <diwic> JFo, looking good, so Brad will run it?
[14:37] <JFo> well, I put Brads name since I wasn't sure who else would be there
[14:37] <JFo> but you can co-run if you like
[14:37] <JFo> I can add you
[14:38] <diwic> JFo, I guess we could ask him when he's back from vacation
[14:39] <JFo> ok, but I need to get stuff finalized today if possible
[14:39] <JFo> I can add you as a presenter later too if needed
[14:49]  * apw has to pop to collect a parcel
[15:23] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, ping
[15:23] <smb> ericm|ubuntu, yup
[15:23] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, it's really weird - cannot find drivers/usb/misc/test.c in my mvl-dove branch?
[15:24] <ericm|ubuntu> so just wondering where the conflict comes from?
[15:24] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, which tip are you rebasing onto?
[15:25] <smb> ericm|ubuntu, wasnt that usbtest.c? I need to check. I rebase to Ubuntu-2.6.32-25.34
[15:25] <smb> err .43
[15:25] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, ah sorry - let me check again
[15:25] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, indeed, sorry
[15:26] <smb> ericm|ubuntu, I probably should have written in the mail
[15:27] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, looks like they changed too much in commit: dove: first rebase over <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:28] <smb> You mean they might only have wanted to comment out the first occurance?
[15:29] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, 1 min
[15:29] <smb> sure no worries
[15:29]  * smb makes some tea
[15:30]  * ericm|ubuntu hands smb some beer
[15:33] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, I agree with you the removal of the 2nd simple_free_urb() is incorrect and will cause leak, so +1 for your solution
[15:35] <smb> ericm|ubuntu, Not yet that late. Ok, so I would just go ahead and do the fix on the rebase
[15:35] <ericm|ubuntu> smb, thanks
[17:03] <JFo> ogasawara, :-P
[17:04] <ogasawara> JFo: heh, see our release team meeting chatter :)
[17:04] <JFo> yep :)
[17:04] <ogasawara> JFo: was just about to ping you about it
[17:04] <JFo> no sweat
[17:04] <JFo> already looking
[17:04] <ogasawara> JFo: we basically just need to go through and decline the nominations if they don't look realistic
[17:04] <JFo> k
[17:05] <ogasawara> ie not something that's gonna get resolved for Maverick
[17:06] <JFo> we really need a sort by package capability on stuff like this
[17:06] <JFo> that approve decline radio button thing would be most useful then
[17:09] <ogasawara> JFo: I'll start at the end of that list and try to help out declining nominations
[17:09] <JFo> ok
[17:09] <JFo> I will start at the beginning
[17:12] <ogasawara> JFo: I'm posting something like the following prior to declining..."Declining the Maverick specific nomination for now and leaving this open against the actively developed Ubuntu kernel (which happens to be Maverick at this time).  Will re-open the nomination should a fix be narrowed down which we can confirm specifically resolves this issue in Maverick."
[17:13] <JFo> sounds good to me
[17:14] <kamal> lag: ping
[17:15] <lag> Hello kamal
[17:15] <kamal> lag: hiya -- I'd like to test your sd-card-fix kernel, but ~ljones/lp477106-lucid only offers the 32-bit kernel -- how 'bout a 64-bit?
[17:17] <lag> kamal: I don't have a build system for 64bit setup yet
[17:17] <kamal> ah
[17:18] <lag> kamal: I will build one, but not for a while
[17:18] <ogra> just cat two 32 bit kernels together :P
[17:18] <lag> I can provide you the source?
[17:18] <kamal> would it be possible for you to post the patch?
[17:19] <kamal> haha yes, the source please -- I'll just build it myself.
[17:19] <kamal> ogra: hahahaha -- ok, I'll do that!
[17:22] <lag> kamal: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=lag/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef4c31990cbe996dbd5ac1530491549e295f39e9;hp=5470af5fd104192214b496a2736fd26200f4650d
[17:22] <kamal> lag: awesome - thanks!
[17:23] <JFo> ogasawara, I am finding that most of the ones I see are being actively worked
[17:23] <JFo> either in the bug or another like it
[17:24] <ogasawara> JFo: heh, the one's I'm seeing are new and just blindlly nominated
[17:24] <lag> kamal: No problem
[17:24] <ogasawara> JFo: if they're being actively worked just leave them alone
[17:26] <ogasawara> JFo: maybe start looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+nominations?start=75
[17:26] <ogasawara> JFo: I'm at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+nominations?start=225
[17:27] <JFo> k
[17:35] <JFo> ogasawara, smb does this looks like something we are likely to consider? bug 424927
[17:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 424927 in linux (Ubuntu) "include CK patch set (BFS) (affects: 24) (heat: 192)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/424927
[17:35] <JFo> my guess is no
[17:36] <ogasawara> JFo: If it's not upstream, I'm gonna say no
[17:36] <JFo> heh
[17:36] <smb> That would be my feeling too
[17:36] <JFo> k
[17:36] <JFo> that was actually what I was basing my assumption on
[17:38] <ogasawara> JFo: I think I've seen requests for that before (or maybe it was that bug) and I said no to the patch set and to get it upstream
[17:39] <JFo> more than likely
[17:39] <JFo> that was a really long bug
[17:43] <JFo> what the heck is kernel-package(ubuntu)?
[17:43] <ogasawara> no idea
[17:44] <ogasawara> JFo: looks to be in Universe for Maverick?
[17:44] <ogasawara> JFo: I'd say skip it
[17:45] <JFo> shrug*
[17:45] <JFo> just sounded odd
[17:45] <ogasawara> JFo: "kernel-package: A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages." - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package
[17:45] <JFo> sounds like something that could easily cause confusion
[17:55] <ogasawara> JFo: I'm moving onto https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+nominations?start=150
[17:55] <JFo> ok
[17:56] <JFo> we are almost done then
[18:02] <JFo> I'm back to looking over 1-75
[18:20] <JFo> k, I'm done for the most part
[18:20] <JFo> there are likely ones that I left alone that should have been closed
[18:20] <JFo> but I think they are in progress
[18:22] <ogasawara> JFo: cool, thanks for helping
[18:23] <JFo> no sweat
[18:23] <JFo> it is something that I should be watching anyway
[18:24]  * smb goes eow
[19:02] <kamal> lag: I confirm that your lp477106 git tree does fix the SD card suspend hang.  I'll post my comment and url to the 64-bit debs in the bug.  Thanks!
[19:28]  * JFo crosses his fingers
[19:29] <JFo> looks like it worked
[19:29] <JFo> I figured out what was causing my e-mail issues ogasawara... but I'm not gonna tell you what it was. I don't want you to know the depths of dumb I went to. :)
[19:38] <ogasawara> JFo: heh, I'm scared to even ask then.
[19:39] <JFo> yeah, I R Dumb
[19:41] <achiang> JFo: do share
[19:42] <JFo> oh I couldn't '_
[19:43] <JFo> rather :)
[19:43] <JFo> mayhap next time I see you achiang I can relate it in the hushed tones of a one-time story.
[19:43] <achiang> JFo: heh, ok
[19:43] <JFo> :)
[19:49] <ogasawara> JFo: "documentation -- re-organize kernel team wiki pages" isn't that work item done?  or did you have more re-org you wanted to tackle
[19:50] <JFo> there is much more to do, but for the purposes of that item I think we are done... unless apw disagrees
[19:50] <ogasawara> JFo: heh, I think he was leaving it to you to make the final call
[19:50] <JFo> ah
[19:51] <JFo> then for that item I'd say we are complete
[19:51] <JFo> we can do some more the next cycle
[19:51] <JFo> as I am sure we will need to flesh what we have out some more
[19:52]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[19:59] <ogasawara> JFo: There was one more I thought might be done - "Jeremy to document the patch review process for kernel" (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-launchpad-upstream-improvements-patches)
[19:59] <JFo> ah, that has to do with the +patches view in launchpad
[20:00] <ogasawara> JFo: oh, ok
[20:00] <JFo> we don't have anything for that as I wasn't using it
[20:00] <JFo> so I still have to do that :-(
[20:00] <ogasawara> JFo: ok, I was thinking it was wiki related, so nm.
[20:00] <JFo> yeah, I wish
[20:00] <JFo> I had actually forgotten about that one. Thank you for reminding me
[20:01] <JFo> I should be able to write some thing up on it
[20:01] <ogasawara> I'm just browsing through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick#Milestone%20ubuntu-10.10 and seeing what we might be able to close
[20:05] <JFo> cool
[20:05] <JFo> d'oh! it's 3pm and I haven't eaten all day :-/
[20:05] <JFo> how is it that a fat kid like me forget to eat?!
[20:05] <JFo> so sad
[20:11] <manjo> ogasawara, freeze on the 16th ?
[20:11] <ogasawara> manjo: yep, will send a reminder next week
[20:12] <manjo> so after that is SRU process I assume
[20:15] <ogasawara> manjo: yep
[20:18] <ogasawara> manjo: wanted to ask you about your last work item ... "documentation: consolidate and maintian kernel build instructions into one location, possibly within the kernel source itself "
[20:18] <ogasawara> manjo: did you put together a quick guide to building a kernel or something?
[20:18] <ogasawara> manjo: ie I can mark it DONE
[20:18] <manjo> ogasawara, yep it should be int he new wiki pages
[20:19] <manjo> although the SRU process doc needs more work
[20:19] <manjo> I am assuming the SRU team will take a look at what is available and make those changes
[20:19] <manjo> ogasawara, so yes the build part is done
[20:20] <ogasawara> manjo: I think bjf had put together a detailed doc about their processes, but will check with him next week
[20:21] <manjo> ogasawara, sounds good
[20:22] <manjo> ogasawara, instead of doing a separate doc they should integrate it with the scheme that apw and I talked about at the sprint ie having action and doing "includes" of those actions.
[20:22] <manjo> we had a session about it and they can follow what I have done as example
[20:23] <ogasawara> manjo: I want to say he did?  but am not positive
[20:23] <manjo> ok I have not had the chance to look at more distro side of thing lately with all the OEM & HEW stuff going on
[20:23] <manjo> HWE
[20:27] <JFo> ok, I am headed out to eat before I fall over. Will be on later.
[20:33] <era> ogasawara, i think julian has solved the ndiswrapper issue once and for all. it will require a debian sync once he uploads a new package and a 5 line kernel patch.
[20:33] <era> *3 line
[20:36] <era> also, i'm investigating why flags like CONFIG_CFG80211_DEFAULT_PS are crippling iwlwifi performance.
[20:36] <ogasawara> era: cool, do you have a reference to the kernel patch?
[20:36] <era> yes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/613796/comments/28
[20:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 613796 in ndiswrapper (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "ndiswrapper can scan for SSIDs but cannot connect on any kernel newer than 2.6.34-5.14 (affects: 5) (dups: 2) (heat: 46)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:40] <ogasawara> era: cool, I'll get it on my todo list
[20:40] <era> thank you.
[21:01]  * ogasawara lunch


[16:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Hmmm... I see the blue highlight bug is fixed?
[16:54] <tsimonq2> Yes
 *highlights Eickmeyer with blue highlighter for reasons*
[16:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Awesome. Yeah, I just upgraded my Lubuntu instalation (yes, I have one).
 :P  (I'm bored waiting for the doctor lol)
[16:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> HAHAHAHA Yeah, I know that feeling.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Even icons in the systray are showing up properly that weren't in 22.04. I like it.
[17:00] <kc2bez[m]> It is coming together nicely.
 "Even icons in the systray are..." <- I wonder if we should SRU to help 22.04 users? I often think we need a checklist


[00:02] <htpc> hello I am looking for help with Imon soundgrpah lcd 0038 (antec fusion black remote, ie the case without the power supply)
[00:02] <htpc> if anyone can spare a second and help me I would be grateful
[00:02] <htpc> using bunt8.10
[00:02] <rhpot1992> !antec%black
[00:02] <Zinn> If you are having trouble setting up the LCD on the Antec Fusion v2 Black or its other integrated devices, check out this Wiki Article: http://wiki.foxmediasystems.com/index.php/Antec_Fusion_v2_Black_LCD
[00:02] <rhpot1992> htpc: ^
[00:03] <htpc> yes
[00:03] <htpc> thank you am looking at it now
[00:03] <htpc> hopefully I can follow that one
[00:03] <htpc> my head is an a spin from all the conflicting how tos
[00:03] <htpc> thanks
[00:04] <rhpot1991> lirc can be a bear if you don't know it
[00:04] <rhpot1991> stick with it, normally ends up being a good learning experience
[00:04] <htpc> I am afraid I have a different device
[00:04] <htpc> not Bus 001 Device 004: ID 15c2:ffdc SoundGraph Inc. iMON PAD Remote Controller
[00:04] <rhpot1991> your remote will most likely be different, but the receiver should be the same
[00:04] <rhpot1991> I'm not 100% positive though
[00:05] <htpc> but $ lsusb
[00:05] <htpc> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[00:05] <htpc> Bus 003 Device 003: ID 15c2:0038 SoundGraph Inc.
[00:05] <htpc> obviously the hub is irrelevant
[00:06] <rhpot1991> I'd venture that they should work nearly the same, either try it out or search and see if you can find proof otherwise
[00:06] <htpc> yes I will try
[00:06] <htpc> I am out of better ideas and I am grateful for any help
[00:06] <htpc> back in a jiffy
[00:17] <htpc> wish me luck
[00:17] <htpc> going to reboot
[00:18] <htpc> used a specific lircd.conf for the pad controller but lets see if the lcd works
[00:33] <htpc> back
[00:33] <htpc> and honestly unsure it did anything
[00:33] <htpc> how best to test it ?
[00:50] <htpc> did another reboot just to check but no luck will have to go on another chase to find the solution
[14:38] <NixonClaus> I'm running mythbuntu 8.10 64bit version, should dvd rip work pretty flawlessly out of the box with libdvdcss2 or do I need something else manually installed
[17:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Does anyone have experience of configuring volume control for myth 0.21 with pulseaudio and 2 sound-cards (default 7.1, secondary 5.1 - unused) ? I can't figure out to have the remote control all 8 channels of the mixer ( it only controls one at best) ?
[17:22] <wjs_ltop> Hello,  I had thought that MythTV 0.21 had included the fix for overlapping recordings on the same channel not needing another tuner.
[17:23] <wjs_ltop> but, that isn't what I'm seeing happen with my Mythbuntu 8.10 setup.
[17:23] <wjs_ltop> Is there something I need to configure for that to work?
[17:32] <tgm4883_laptop_> wjs_ltop, I'm not sure thats the case, unless you are thinking about multirec
[17:32] <tgm4883_laptop_> do you have a link or something to what you are talking about?
[17:37] <wjs_ltop> in doing a search, it does look like multirec is what I need to set up.  As well as the global setting to add 5 minutes before, and after scheduled recordings.
[17:40] <tgm4883_laptop> yea that would fix the problem, only if you have DVB cards though
[17:43] <wjs_ltop> how about HDHomeRun tuners?
[17:43] <wjs_ltop> actually the underlying problem is discussed in the scheduling thread on mythtv-dev list.  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/195124#195124
[17:43] <tgm4883_laptop> AFAIK, those should work as they are digital
[17:45] <wjs_ltop> Ok, I'll look at how to configure multirec.  Thanks
[17:54] <CRXLPY> how do I save a frame individually from a recording? can I select a frame a save as a jpg or something?
[17:56] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, I want to say there is a screenshot ability in mythfrontend, but you will have to check the mythtv wiki for that
[17:57] <wjs_ltop> It looks like, as of Apr/May multirec is not implemented for HDHomeRun
[17:59] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop thanks I have been looking for that but so far I just find images of mythtv itself
[18:00] <tgm4883_laptop> wjs_ltop, you can try bugging superm1 about that, I myself don't have a HDHomerun
[18:04] <dan2> what's the difference between the alternate iso and the regular?
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> dan2, the alternate ISO doesn't have a graphical installer, it has a text installer
[18:05] <dan2> ok
[18:05] <tgm4883_laptop> it also requires some extra work to setup after you install
[18:05] <dan2> k
[18:05] <dan2> so I'm going to install this on a box in about a week or 2
[18:06] <dan2> do you recommend the stable release or the dev build?
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> stable
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> Actually, I recommend 8.04.1
[18:06] <dan2> k
[18:06] <tgm4883_laptop> but unless you really like to tinker with things, don't install 9.04 yet
[18:07] <dan2> mythbuntu have some sort of magical thing for helping me index all of my movs and dvd vobs?
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> mythvideo?
[18:07] <dan2> first time using myth
[18:07] <dan2> so, just wondering
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> mythvideo is what you want
[18:07] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a plugin
[18:08] <dan2> k
[18:09] <CRXLPY> tgm4883_laptop  found it, a keybinding is available to save current frame to a PNG
[18:09] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, nice, which key?
[18:09] <CRXLPY> unset by default
[18:10] <CRXLPY> I tried ctl+F12 but got no feedbak when I used it so I am searching for the png now. it does not say where it saves it
[18:11] <CRXLPY> BTW tgm4883_laptop that keybinding is new as of 0.21
[18:12] <tgm4883_laptop> CRXLPY, look in ~/.mythtv/
[18:12] <tgm4883_laptop> that would be a logical place for it to be, and since it's a hidden dir
[18:16] <CRXLPY> well it does not have a screenshot dir, nor are there any png's that arent theme cache related.   I will try mapping to a different key since f12 can be problematic
[18:25] <CRXLPY> same result with ctl+shft+s tgm4883_laptop.... no feedback   nothing like searching through half a TB of files by hand :(
[18:26] <CRXLPY> it only says it will be a PNG  nothing about what the rest of the name will be
[18:29] <CRXLPY> nothing in the logs about it taking the action either
[18:36] <gcr> can anybody recommend a decent IR keyboard to use with mythbuntu...they seem rather hard to find these days...
[18:43] <dan2> what do you guys recommend that I get to use with my box as a remote control and irda dongle
[18:47] <CRXLPY> dan2 a winTV MCE bundle has what you need
[18:48] <dan2> CRXLPY: mythbuntu supports these hauppage thingies?
[18:48] <CRXLPY> yes
[18:49] <CRXLPY> they are the most recommended choice in fact
[18:49] <dan2> CRXLPY: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116032 ?
[18:51] <CRXLPY> hmm, not what I was thinking, but I think some of the usb capture devs work. would need to look in mythtv hdwr compat list to see
[18:52] <CRXLPY> I was thinking of the dongle that comes with a pvr150 pci card
[18:55] <dan2> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116033 ?
[18:58] <dan2> so all of the video capture cards that do ATSC can store the content it receives over the air right?
[18:58] <dan2> like mpeg2 or h.264 without reencoding
[18:59] <CRXLPY> dan2 sure, but you can get a better deal on ebay. you want a card that comes with a usb dongle for IR cuz the xbox dont have pci
[18:59] <dan2> k
[18:59] <dan2> I have PCI slots
[18:59] <CRXLPY> you wont used the card, but you need the dongle
[18:59] <dan2> just not extra PCI-X
[18:59] <CRXLPY> ok
[18:59] <dan2> I'll use the capture too
[18:59] <dan2> that sounds cool
[18:59] <dan2> wasn't planning on it
[18:59] <dan2> but it's useful
[19:00] <dan2> didn't think it was so cheap
[19:00] <CRXLPY> ok, I have never even played a game on an xbox, much less opened the case,
[19:00] <CRXLPY> you can get an analog card for a fraction of that
[19:00] <dan2> I don't want an analog card
[19:00] <dan2> analog blows chunks
[19:01] <dan2> I don't even pay for cable here because I can get all the local channels over the air in HD
[19:01] <CRXLPY> I almost never watch local
[19:02] <CRXLPY> have you looked in the hardware list for mythtv yet dan2?
[19:02] <dan2> ya
[19:02] <dan2> it's there
[19:02] <dan2> I'm covered
[19:02] <CRXLPY> there ya go
[19:03] <CRXLPY> after picking a card you might want to search for that model in the forums on the mythbuntu site before you buy it
[19:03] <CRXLPY> just to make sure it does everything you want and has no surprises
[19:04] <CRXLPY> dan2 it is always good to know what others have experienced with it before you try it
[19:07] <CRXLPY> also dan2 , since I have not used the xbox ver of mythtv I dont know if there are any special considerations you should be aware of so read twice, the read again :)
[19:07] <dan2> I'm not sure why you think I have an xbox
[19:07] <CRXLPY> ooops
[19:08] <dan2> pentium D I'm putting this in
[19:08] <CRXLPY> ooops
[19:08] <dan2> my old workstation
[19:08] <dan2> it's got horsepower
[19:08] <CRXLPY> I am fighting alergies, I misread your orig post
[19:09] <CRXLPY> I dont know why I was thinking you had an xbox either :)
[19:11] <rojo> how do I set my default sound card's output in mythbuntu?  My sound card has stereo analog out, 5.1 analog out (5 wires), digital coax and optical.  I want to set the output to optical but I can't figure out how.
[19:13] <rojo> I'd like to make the default sound output optical systemwide, and then just configure myth to use alsa:default
[19:14] <rojo> !help
[19:14] <Zinn> !help Use ! followed by a topic to get help on the topic (if it exists) example: !logs.  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].  For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi
[19:14] <dan2> rojo: your sound card doesn't send to them all at the same time?
[19:17] <rojo> *shrug* it might.  I was using Linux Mint x64 based on Hardy, and had installed MythTV.  Had sound working.  Now that I think about it, I don't think I've had sound since I made the switch to mythbuntu.
[19:18] <rojo> there's no speaker icon in the systray.  How can I launch the mixer in xfce?
[19:19] <dan2> rojo: there's always alsamixer in the terminal
[19:20] <rojo> I'll check it out in a sec.  I'm installing flashplugin-nonfree so I can run a video of some sort to keep sound running as a test tone :)
[19:25] <CRXLPY> rojo alsamixergui if you need a gui
[19:26] <rojo> n/m.  I figured it out using alsamixer in terminal.  The digital output defaults to muted when installed apparently.
[19:26] <CRXLPY> but the cli version alsamixer is preferable
[19:26] <rojo> I unmuted it and made sure the center and surrounds were > 0, and I have sound now :)
[19:27] <rojo> now to test w/ myth....
[19:27] <CRXLPY> rojo besure to run "alsactl store" now that you have it working
[19:27] <CRXLPY> otherwise you will need to do this again when you reboot
[19:27] <rojo> CRXLPY: rock on.  I never would've figured that out.
[19:29] <CRXLPY> I am still trying to figure out how to find the screenshots of the curently viewed frame (I think I have it set up right)
[19:30] <rojo> now.  Why does the ntsc source on my pcHDTV 5500 suck?  It's all staticky and there's no sound, and it hangs for seconds at a time.  Assume it's not a signal problem, since it's pretty clear when the coax cable is plugged directly into my tv
[19:31] <rojo> I suspect it's because I had to set the NTSC side up as a separate video capture card in myth.  I've seen screenshots online of the svn version of myth including an "analog options" section in the DVB card setup.
[19:31] <rojo> wonder if it'd work better with svn...
[19:33] <rojo> oh btw sound is working smashingly in myth now (:
[19:33] <rojo> for qam, anyway
[19:33] <CRXLPY> try running the cable through a vcr or something first. I have read of the tuner getting overmodulated and running it through another device first will attenuate it enough. (I mean using simply the coax in and out, not using the tuner in the vcr)
[19:34] <rojo> hmmm.  Well, I did try putting it on a splitter to weaken the signal 3.5db
[19:34] <CRXLPY> ahh
[19:34] <rojo> it's on the splitter now.
[19:34] <rojo> symptoms are identical before and after.
[19:34] <rojo> good idea, though (:
[19:35] <rojo> ggp and smoke
[19:48] <rojo> I had a thought while I was smoking
[19:48] <rojo> I bet that card can only have one tuner active at a time
[19:49] <rojo> by default, mythtv backend keeps the digital tuner on
[19:53] <CRXLPY> if it has only one encoder chip then it would have to poll the 2 tuners to capture both. that would explain the halting behavior
[19:54] <rojo> will that interfere with scheduled recordings though, I wonder, if the dvb source isn't always active?
[19:54] <rojo> it's going through its long, arduous mythfilldatabase sequence right now.
[19:57] <rojo> wonder when the "analog options" section in the DVB tuner setup in myth backend will make its way into the apt repos?
[19:59] <rojo> that was it.  NTSC is clear now.  No sound, but that's probably not going to be as hard to figure out.
[20:00] <rojo> ooo james bond movie is on spike
[20:01] <CRXLPY> rojo make sure you have capture set right in alsamixer
[20:01] <CRXLPY> it is a 007 marathon today
[20:02] <rojo> oh yeah.  I'm running an analog cable from my tuner card to the external line-in on my sound card.
[20:02] <rojo> good thought.
[20:02] <CRXLPY> you wont use that cable
[20:03] <CRXLPY> if you record audio through the ext cable, it will be out of sync
[20:03] <fpr02> anyone here who can do something about the broken mirror of the mythbuntu intrepid fixes repository?
[20:03] <CRXLPY> that is why line-in needs to be muted
[20:14] <rojo> hmmm.  It was muted before.  It's not muted now.  Doesn't really make any difference.  I still don't have sound.  Does Mythbuntu have a player capable of tuning ntsc without having to go through myth to test with?
[20:17] <rojo> xine says no valid channels.conf
[20:22] <rojo> hmm.  just found the xfce volume control.  I'm trying to increase the volume for capture 0 and / or capture 1.  the sliders go up for a second, then snap back to 0
[20:32] <CRXLPY> rojo try xawtv
[20:34] <CRXLPY> you may need to set the correct device on the command line
[20:34] <CRXLPY> for the tunner
[20:35] <CRXLPY> rojo is line in set to be the capture source
[20:35] <rojo> gotta go for now.  I'll screw with it later.  I'm just happy I've made some severe progress (:
[20:35] <rojo> thanks for the help CRXLPY
[20:36] <CRXLPY> np
[20:36] <rojo> and merry Christmas!
[20:36] <CRXLPY> Happy Saturnal feast to you too


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[07:24] <locutusofborg_> hello, does anybody know why shim-signed is not available on dkms armhf autopkgtests?
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[10:45] <LocutusOfBorg> has britney stopped?
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> 10:04:08.log	2023-04-04 10:12	690K
[10:46] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the last run
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[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> and now it is shown
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe its some rsync issue
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> (or delay)
[11:24] <xnox> bdmurray:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/distro-info-data/+bug/2003949 could you please consider publishing this one today? it is one day early, but many people are off thursday onwards, because of easter, which sort of makes tomorrow a no-publish wednesday. and we really should have that update out given it bumps up the 26th of April date.
[11:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2003949 in distro-info-data (Ubuntu Bionic) "Document ESM overlap period" [High, Fix Committed]
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[12:44] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KHMNBQCCYC/ is quite confusing, but see what you can make of it?
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[13:30] <LocutusOfBorg>  thanks cjwatson
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[15:55] <jbicha> could we get a draft 23.10 release schedule on discourse?
[16:17] <AlsoItzSwirlz> o/ requesting ubuntu cinnamon rebuild, updated seed
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[16:54] <bdmurray> xnox: I was going to say its just a csv file change but that argument works either way. ;-)
[16:54] <xnox> bdmurray:  the command line tooling supported status, and automated motd get triggered on that, don't they?
[16:54] <xnox> i can't remember how things worked in bionic anymore
[17:22] <bdmurray> jbicha: Do you know if there is a way to rename a discourse post (including the url)?
[17:24] <jbicha> bdmurray: somehow it was done for the Lunar schedule, but I don't know if it was automatic or not
[17:25]  * bdmurray wonders if I was the one who did it
[17:25] <jbicha> otherwise, you could just pick a name and then we'd have to go with it 🤣
[17:27] <bdmurray> that's a winning strategy!
[17:28] <jbicha> Magnanimous Manatee gets my vote
[17:30] <bdmurray> Martian Mandrill is mine
[17:30] <ogra> .oO( if you have me looking up the meaning of the adjective it is a proper name for sure)
[17:31] <jbicha> ooh, more space
[18:03] <ricotz> hello, the libreoffice/s390x autopkgtests keep spinning and spinning :\ - https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running#pkg-libreoffice
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[18:38] <schopin> Could someone drop that one ^ ? My bad, it's been a long day.
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[18:44] <seb128> schopin, ^
[18:44] <schopin> Thanks :)
[18:44] <seb128> np!
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[20:20] <vpa1977> Hi, would it be possible to review testng7 package currently in the NEW queue?
[20:20] <bdmurray> We are looking for an AA to do this
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[23:18] <bdmurray> We were having different issues with the bos01 workers (fun!) and I've disabled them now. So if there is something that you think needs retesting on arm64, s390x or ppc64el now is the time.


[00:59] <MarkDude> Eclipse right now
[00:59] <MarkDude> Take a pair of binoculars, point the big part at the sun
[00:59] <MarkDude> focus the eye part at a wall or paper
[00:59] <MarkDude> you get a safe reflection to look at
[01:19] <grantbow> I remember there was a big one in 1985/1986. lol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_20th_century
[01:19] <grantbow> err, a couple
[01:21] <grantbow> so this is an annular. interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_solar_eclipses_in_the_21st_century
[01:50] <pleia2> meeting in 10 minutes :)
[01:51]  * jtatum flails his arms
[01:56] <DonkeyHotei> my eyes are still not 100% after watching the eclipse out the window
[01:58] <pleia2> my eyeballs are ok
[01:59] <DonkeyHotei> i've been staring straight at it wearing shades
[01:59] <pleia2> I think that's #1 on ways not to watch the eclipse ;)
[01:59] <pleia2> #2 is wearing 2 pairs
[01:59] <pleia2> hehe
[02:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time!
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[02:01] <pleia2> not everyone at once :P
[02:02] <jtatum> o/
[02:02] <pleia2> woohoo
[02:02] <jtatum> one guy! hehe
[02:02] <pleia2> ok, so agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12May20
[02:03] <pleia2> #topic UDS Wrap up
[02:03] <pleia2> so, UDS in Oakland was awesome :)
[02:04] <pleia2> I didn't get nearly enough "I'm a local" buttons, I ran out early on Monday
[02:04] <jtatum> agree. quite busy but very nice.
[02:04] <pleia2> we had lots of local folks, many of them I hadn't met :)
[02:04] <scientes> dat solar eclipse is pretty cool and almost over
[02:04]  * jledbetter is here too
[02:05] <scientes> anyone that hasn't looked at it
[02:05] <pleia2> scientes: we're having a meeting ;)
[02:05] <scientes> DonkeyHotei, you need the cool-ass solar glasses
[02:05] <scientes> oh well i guess im in
[02:05] <pleia2> there were lots of great events that the team and other locals put on
[02:06] <pleia2> Michael Paoli did a Debian Dinner on Wednesday, I took some folks out touristing in SF (the cable cars were a huge hit),
[02:06] <pleia2> then on Thursday MarkDude took a bunch of people to an A's game (and I did an Ubuntu Women dinner at my home)
[02:06] <scientes> I was at the debian dinner !
[02:06] <pleia2> cool
[02:06] <scientes> cool discussions
[02:07] <pleia2> we usually have them in SF after an Ubuntu Hour, so Oakland during UDS was a nice change of pace
[02:07] <pleia2> I wish I could have gone
[02:07] <scientes> best topic was the Packet in Packet
[02:07] <jtatum> sounds fun. all the evenings seemed quite overbooked :)
[02:07] <pleia2> jtatum helped me with touristing in SF, so he couldn't go either
[02:08] <pleia2> yeah, there were official events every night too, first time I've seen that at a UDS actually
[02:08] <scientes> packet in packet: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2011/Fahrplan/events/4766.en.html
[02:08] <pleia2> usually there are a couple nights that are free
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> gah, black on the screen still looks purplish blue to me
[02:09] <pleia2> jono really liked the idea of local buttons (or stickers) so I'm hoping it'll continue to the next loco team when UDS is elsewhere
[02:09] <scientes> except you needed more buttons
[02:09] <jledbetter> Good idea
[02:09] <pleia2> and I encouraged him to engage the loco teams more, we didn't get any real communication or feedback from canonical until after we'd done stuff (the transportation page that eps and chris helped with was very popular)
[02:09] <pleia2> scientes: yeah :)
[02:10] <pleia2> I was paying for them out of pocket at $2 each, so getting more than 15 would have been hard for me
[02:10] <pleia2> but stickers are cheaper!
[02:10] <pleia2> or if Canonical could have paid for them ;)
[02:10] <geofft> I would have gladly given you $2 for a button :(
[02:10] <scientes> I would have been OK with a sticker
[02:11] <scientes> you could put in on the name badges and that would have been fine and worked
[02:11] <pleia2> I didn't actually know how popular the buttons would be
[02:11] <pleia2> scientes: yeah
[02:12] <pleia2> so, thanks for everyone who was available to give directions and help out UDS folks, I think we were a pretty good host loco :)
[02:12] <jtatum> agree. got and answered lots of questions about our confusing transportation system :)
[02:12] <pleia2> but effective!
[02:13] <pleia2> eps got me 25 clipper cards, I was able to give them all out to people who used them
[02:13] <jtatum> yes, seems it worked out. must have been quite nice for visitors to be a quick trip from the city.
[02:13] <pleia2> and we gave the woman at AC Transit who hooked us up with the cards a UDS t-shirt :)
[02:13] <DonkeyHotei> eps got them? figures...
[02:14] <scientes> ooh, i really would loved to have one of those clipper cards
[02:14] <scientes> that would have helped me alot
[02:15] <pleia2> I emailed the uds-announce list about them so people could track me down
[02:15] <pleia2> gave out my last one Wednesday night when we went out touristing
[02:15] <pleia2> that's pretty much all I had, good work everyone!
[02:15] <pleia2> jdeslip ran a Linux table at Maker Faire this weekend and I know some of us went out, anyone here who made it out?
[02:16] <scientes> yeah i really could have used one of those
[02:16] <jledbetter> I saw the booth
[02:16]  * pleia2 was mostly stuck doing work and grown up things all weekend, no Maker Faire
[02:16]  * scientes thought of going
[02:16] <pleia2> I dropped off some CDs with jdeslip last weekend at BerkeleyLUG though
[02:16] <jtatum> worked there on saturday. it was really neat. a lot of ubuntu cds got handed out
[02:16] <pleia2> jtatum: yay!
[02:17] <jtatum> grantbow put in a lot of hours there and did a great job selling Ubuntu :)
[02:17] <pleia2> as he does :)
[02:17] <jtatum> jyo was there on Sunday in full Ubuntu garb
[02:17] <scientes> ooo, that would have been a great arrangement if i could have done that
[02:17] <pleia2> haha, awesome
[02:17] <scientes> the cost of the Maker Faire kinda put me off...
[02:17] <scientes> even though transportation would have cost about as much
[02:17] <jtatum> aw. it was excellent, scientes.
[02:18] <pleia2> scientes: are you on the ubuntu-us-ca mailing list? jdeslip had a couple of passes that he gave out to ubuntu california folks who could volunteer at the booth
[02:18] <scientes> but it was sure fun walking about downtown here with eclipse glasses and getting reactions ;)
[02:18] <scientes> pleia2, yeah ill sign up, u got a link?
[02:18] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
[02:18] <pleia2> so, for next time :)
[02:19] <pleia2> I also announce the debian dinners there
[02:20] <pleia2> thanks for the details on Maker Fair jtatum :)
[02:20] <pleia2> #topic any other comments, questions, announcements?
[02:21] <pleia2> scientes: get the link? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
[02:21] <scientes> ugggh, i've really gotta track down what is causing these auto-reboots
[02:21] <scientes> i've meant to setup kexec-on-oops crash dumps for a while now.....
[02:22] <pleia2> I should actually get a meeting bot in here so these commands mean something
[02:23] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone!
[02:23] <pleia2> have a good night
[02:23] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:23] <scientes> that was quick
[02:24] <pleia2> usually is
[02:24] <jtatum> thanks again pleia2 :)
[02:24] <pleia2> ok, off for sushi now!
[02:24] <pleia2> sure :)
[02:24] <jtatum> i can toss a meetingbot in here
[02:25] <scientes> i got my first patch into mozilla :)
[02:25] <nhaines> pleia2: oops, missed the meeting because I was staring at the sun!  Wanted to request precise CDs.  :)
[02:25] <nhaines> scientes: congrats!
[02:25] <scientes> nhaines, 32-bit?
[02:26] <nhaines> scientes: I think that's all they come in, yup.
[02:26] <nhaines> Usually the Desktop CDs are 32-bit and the Server CDs are 64-bit.
[02:26] <scientes> yep
[02:26] <scientes> there were a ton at the UDS
[02:29] <nhaines> I'll ping her again after she has sushi.
[02:47] <MarkDude> Oreilly can hook people up with tickets with an advanced warning
[02:47] <MarkDude> They were half the door price if you got them ahead of time
[02:51] <scientes> MarkDude, i should have known
[02:51] <scientes> then i would have gone
[02:52] <MarkDude> They also will send books to groups
[02:52] <MarkDude> Like Ubuntu Cali for example
[02:52] <scientes> oOo
[02:52] <scientes> that would be nice
[02:52] <scientes> i need a good C book
[02:52] <scientes> and maybe C++ too
[02:52] <MarkDude> They should have sumthin :)
[02:53] <scientes> I should also get my parents to send me my nice Ruby book.....;)
[02:53]  * MarkDude cant ask for this group. But can for Partimus, or sumthin.
[02:53] <MarkDude> Oreilly likes people to review and post books
[02:54]  * MarkDude has a volunteer that has got books from them,  read, reviewed and been happy. I should call him and see what else he was hoping to read
[02:56] <MarkDude> One of the triumvirate can ask for the books if I remember correctly. After that is done, a person or 2 can be made the *book person*.
[02:56] <MarkDude> It would make sense to have Nor and So Cal do it as regions
[05:02] <scientes> MarkDude, so what do i do to procede with a book ask?
[05:03] <scientes> *solicit
[05:03] <MarkDude> Well, this is my guess at how to do it and keep everyone happy.
[05:04] <MarkDude> put it on next meeting or ask the 3 leads of the Cali team
[05:04] <MarkDude> We had talked about it before, Im not sure what was worked out
[05:05]  * MarkDude was under the understanding they were cool with the idea, but did not have time to handle logistics
[05:05] <MarkDude> I wonder if there is a wiki page for the team. That would be what I would do 1st is create a page for it.
[05:06] <MarkDude> with 2 headings of Nor and So Cal
[05:06] <MarkDude> If So Cal wants to divide into inland Empire and San Diego or LA or whatever they can.
[05:08] <MarkDude> Come up with a wishlist of books to put on the page.
[05:08] <MarkDude> scientes, are you cool with wiki markup? If not I can help , Im ok with it :)
[05:09] <scientes> MarkDude, i'm VERY use to wikipedia markup
[05:09] <scientes> but its not very portable, even to other wikimedia sites
[05:09] <MarkDude> Fair enough.
[05:10] <scientes> otherwise there is the hockuspocus of other standards, like markdown, redcloth, etc
[05:10] <scientes> and <html> of course
[05:10]  * MarkDude tries to remind himself that some folks might be new to this. If I did not do that, I would not be sharing the spirit of Ubuntu ;)
[05:10] <scientes> however i think the new wikimedia rich text editor is promising
[05:10] <scientes> and look forward to using it
[05:10]  * MarkDude does moin and mediawiki
[05:11] <MarkDude> and thatas about it :D
[05:11] <scientes> although when i tried it out it was pretty buggy
[05:11] <scientes> nah its a good answer
[05:11] <scientes> it might be behind the reason that 90% of wikipedia contributes are male (!!!!)
[05:37] <pleia2> nhaines: same address as usual? I'll get them out in the next few days
[08:04] <nhaines> pleia2: yup, should work.  Thanks!
[08:04] <nhaines> pleia2: also happy sushi!
[19:59] <paulproteus> scientes: I wasn't, but now I am
[19:59] <paulproteus> Mostly took a weekend vacation from IRC.
[19:59] <scientes> cool cool
[19:59] <scientes> u see the solar eclipse?
[23:47] <paulproteus> scientes: Yes!


[02:48] <amrik_> hello
[02:49] <amrik_> hi
[02:49] <amrik_> hello
[02:50] <amrik_> is there anyone to help me to install ubuntu 15.04
[02:50] <amrik_> inside the windows
[02:50] <amrik_> i'm getting error
[02:50] <amrik_> while installing
[02:51] <DonkeyHotei> i think you want #ubuntu
[02:51] <amrik_> yeah
[02:51] <amrik_> i downloaded tht already
[02:51] <DonkeyHotei> this channel is for ubuntu on phones
[02:52] <amrik_> i hv nokia n8 mobile
[02:52] <DonkeyHotei> /join #ubuntu
[02:52] <amrik_> can i install
[02:52] <amrik_> ubuntu on that phone
[02:53] <DonkeyHotei> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/
[02:53] <DonkeyHotei> that's the list of phones
[12:00] <brunch875> popey: I've seen your new games! They're terrific. I was on my way to craft a Qt game but now I'm considering doing it in HTML5 instead... would you rather recommend html5 over qml?
[12:31] <edakiri> Says, "OS: Ubuntu" Is that Ubuntu Ubuntu or Ubuntu Touch?  Last I read, the OS update mechanisms are different. http://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-e5
[16:14] <pkhaxorz> yo
[16:15] <popey> word
[16:15] <pkhaxorz> I bought a OnePlus One phone.
[16:15] <pkhaxorz> what is the status of ubuntu on there?
[16:38] <popey> pkhaxorz: ask mariogrip - he's doing (one of?) the ports
[16:41] <mariogrip> pkhaxorz: https://devices.ubports.com/#/bacon
[16:43] <popey> woah, never seen that site before.
[16:43] <pkhaxorz> I donated 5 bucks
[16:43] <popey> aww, that's kind.
[16:44] <pkhaxorz> because then
[16:44] <pkhaxorz> I can have ubuntu on my phone and ubuntu on my laptop
[16:45] <mariogrip> pkhaxorz: Thanks! :D
[16:45] <pkhaxorz> no prob
[18:07] <hevyhomie> Hello hope you are well, I am porting to Moto E, and ran into this issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11981230/
[18:08] <hevyhomie> Here is build info : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11981241/
[22:25] <Paddy_NI> I was given an Ubuntu Phone (bq Aquaris E4.5) today by a friend and have been trying to reach him for the "passcode" which seems to be a 4 digit number. I have tried factory reset however this does not seem to remove the passcode, would anyone know if there is anything else I can do to remove it whilst I await his response?
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> My goodness popey you're EVERYWHERE! lol
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> Love the podcast
[22:26] <Paddy_NI> :-)


[06:15] <soee> good morning
[07:59] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:22] <milissa> http://adf.ly/pyduc
[08:23] <Riddell> spammer
[08:23] <Riddell> !ircc
[08:23] <Riddell> jussi: tell freenode to ban ^^
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: remind me why debdiff | filterdiff is better than diff -urN ?
[09:55] <Riddell> I can't get  filterdiff --include=debian  to work
[10:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: dpkg-buildpackage -S && { debdiff ../*dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' }
[10:00] <apachelogger> filterdiff is superior because you want to review the delta of the actual artifact you intend to upload, a manual diff does not correctly represent this
[10:01] <apachelogger> random unlikely example: clean rule removes stuff from debian/, then your manual diff might not be what a debdiff would show
[10:03] <Riddell> this all seems very improbable for the extra effort
[10:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the extra effort?
[10:05] <apachelogger> you need to build the dsc anyway and diffing over the dscs gives a correct representation of the delta while a manual diff doesn't
[10:05] <Riddell> debdiff *dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*'  takes much longer to type and has more chance of mistakes than diff -urN foo/debian/* current/foo/debian/*
[10:05] <apachelogger> that's almost the same amount of typing :P
[10:05] <Riddell> now if debdiff had an option to just show you the debian/ contents, that would make a lot of sense
[10:05] <apachelogger> also scripting is your friend ^^
[10:20] <shadeslayer> debfx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1335840
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:17] <sgclark> morning all
[11:17] <Riddell> hola sgclark
[11:18] <Riddell> notes: plasma-mc needs depend on baloo
[11:18] <Riddell> baloo | baloo-kf5 I guess
[11:18] <Riddell> it also needs compiled with -DNO_LINK_TO_PLASMA=ON
[11:18] <Riddell> which is what stops it freezing
[11:18] <Riddell> cos qtmultimediakit uses gstreamer 0.10 while plasma uses gstreamer 1.0
[11:19] <Riddell> it also needs to recommend all the gstreamer 0.10 codecs  (good, bad and ugly)
[11:19] <Riddell> but worst of all, it doesn't play game of thrones because we have no gstreamer 0.10 codec for video/x-h264
[11:20] <sgclark> oh nos :(
[11:20] <Riddell> it doesn't play youtube either can that's mp4
[11:20] <Riddell> plasma-mc has so much promise but the technology just lets it down :(
[11:20] <sgclark> ahhh, then why is the big youtube button lol
[11:22] <Riddell> well if your distro still supports gstreamer 0.10 then it's all good
[11:22] <Riddell> but ubuntu has removed libav plugin for gstreamer so no mp4 (as I understand it)
[11:23] <Riddell> instead just a warning Warning: "No decoder available for type 'video/x-h264'"
[11:23] <sgclark> gosh hthat is not very useful, youutube is the main reason I would use
[11:24] <Riddell> sgclark: anyway, are you able to make those changes?
[11:24] <sgclark> sure thing
[11:24] <Riddell> sgclark: I got confused yesterday because I didn't realise you had two PPAs, what's the second one for?
[11:25] <sgclark> Riddell: my PPAs only hold like one maybe two, so I made one for trusty and one for utopic
[11:25] <Riddell> one maybe two what?
[11:25] <sgclark> packages
[11:26] <Riddell> but why?
[11:26] <sgclark> I don't know, I get out of space rejects alot though
[11:26] <Riddell> gosh really?
[11:26] <sgclark> mhmm
[11:27] <Riddell> hum
[11:27] <Riddell> well no importante
[11:27] <Riddell> you can also use kubuntu-ppa/experimental for works in progress
[11:27] <sgclark> ok thanks
[11:31] <Riddell> we have three abstractions of gstreamer for qt all with varying abilities, this makes me cry
[11:33] <sgclark> yeah I was messing around trying to figure it all out last night
[11:33] <apachelogger> sgclark, Riddell: staging is fro work in progress
[11:34] <apachelogger> experimental is for experimental packages
[11:34] <sgclark> ahh right, will use that, thanks
[12:39] <sgclark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages?batch=75&direction=backwards&start=225
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: the difference seems sometimes arbitrary
[12:51] <sgclark> Riddell: nevermind, now affected by https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335904
[12:52] <Riddell> sgclark: really? it solved the freeze issue for me
[12:52] <sgclark> won't start for me
[12:53] <sgclark> which well I suppose stops the feezes haha
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: you run plasma-mediacenter and nothing happens?
[12:55] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7731279/
[12:55] <sgclark> Failed to load Plasma Libraries, cannot continue. is the problem
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's not, experimental is about the scope of the software in the package, not the package itself
[12:57] <apachelogger> that is: stuff in experimental is expected to install and uninstall
[12:57] <apachelogger> whether the actual software works is out of scope for experimental, but the package mustn't screw the user over
[12:58] <apachelogger> http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Experimental
[12:59] <Riddell> si
[13:03] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get /usr/lib/libplasmaadapter.so.1.3 installed?
[13:03] <Riddell> it only gets created when you build with NO_LINK_TO_PLASMA
[13:03] <sgclark> Unpacking libplasmamediacenter1.3 (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) over (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) ...
[13:04] <Riddell> "adapter"
[13:04] <sgclark> oh hmm
[13:04] <Riddell> different name
[13:04]  * sgclark look
[13:11] <sgclark> Riddell: that is the problem, seems list-missing did not get run *fixing*
[13:25] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion qt-gstreamer 1.1.90
[13:25] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1336256
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hmm, I see thew switch to systemd being bad mouthed in the ##linux room due to this url , http://boycottsystemd.org/ , is there any truth to these claims ?
[13:32] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes, lots
[13:33] <BluesKaj> then why the switch Riddell?, seems like a bad move
[13:35] <Riddell> because for all those grumbles a modern init system has lots of advantages, and I don't want to be the only decent distro using !systemd
[13:35] <BluesKaj> is sysvinit no longer able to handle the changes to ubuntu
[13:36] <Riddell> we haven't used sysvinit for some years
[13:36] <Riddell> it's slow and very distro specific
[13:36] <BluesKaj> oh?
[13:37] <sgclark> sigh, irc hates me
[13:37]  * BluesKaj learned something new today
[13:37] <apachelogger> that page is much silly
[13:39] <BluesKaj> probly archlinux haters
[13:41] <apachelogger> nah, just whiners
[14:16] <sgclark> Riddell: new plasma-mc up in staging. Looks like it works aside from me not having anything that doesn't use Warning: "No decoder available for type 'video/x-h264,
[14:18] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to step out for 1 hour, will be back though.
[14:20] <Riddell> sgclark: you could test it with this gripping narative blockbuster with tragedy and triumph http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/H1302_Depage/Saturday/Do_you_have_to_be_brain_damaged_to_care_about_desktop_Linux.webm
[14:48] <tsdgeos> Only 4 donations to 300 people! http://www.kde.org/fundraisers/randameetings2014/ :)
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: that video works :)
[15:05] <Riddell> yay
[15:06] <sgclark> Riddell: no changes between trusty and utopic, still need me to upload both?
[15:07] <Riddell> sgclark: no I'll upload to utopic and trusty-proposed for an SRU
[15:07] <sgclark> Riddell: ok great
[15:07] <sgclark> Riddell: was that release today or ?
[15:07] <Riddell> sgclark: no sign of dfaure so I guess not until this (european) evening
[15:08] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, gonna get some chores done, ping me when it happens
[15:08] <Riddell> sgclark: are you on the kde-packager e-mail list yet?
[15:09] <sgclark> Riddell: no I am not, I am  guessing I should be?
[15:09] <Riddell> I'm not sure how you subscribe to it now, https://sysadmin.kde.org maybe
[15:09] <Riddell> sgclark: try filling in something there and giving me as reference
[15:12] <sgclark> Riddell: ok submitted ticket
[15:12] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu-packaging could do with some cleanup
[15:13] <sgclark> Riddell: didn't we just do 1.3? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mediacenter/+bug/1328246
[15:14] <Riddell> sgclark: yes so that should be closed
[15:14] <sgclark> Riddell: k
[15:25] <sgclark> Riddell: artikulate says in progress assignee:	 Howard Chan (smartboyhw) is this person still around?
[15:27] <Riddell> sgclark: nope he wandered off when he got busy/burnt out (don't you burn out!)
[15:28] <sgclark> but it looks like it is in trusty-proposed
[15:28] <sgclark> lol
[15:28] <Riddell> ah so maybe it's all done anyway
[15:28] <sgclark> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/artikulate/trusty-proposed/files
[15:28] <Riddell> it's in KDE SC now
[15:28] <sgclark> ok closing
[15:28] <Riddell> yeah moved to kde-edu
[15:36] <sgclark> Riddell: umm librocket google search shows someone built this https://launchpad.net/~joern-schoenyan/+archive/librocket can we use this?
[15:38]  * Riddell looks
[15:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: what do you know about librocket?
[15:41] <Riddell> http://librocket.com/  C++ user interface middleware package based on the HTML and CSS standards
[15:41] <Riddell> well I've no idea what uses that
[15:42] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess apachelogger had some reason to want it packaged a year ago but not a very good reason since he didn't get round to it, wait until he replies but probably close it
[15:47] <sgclark> sorry internet hiccup, verdict on librocket?
[15:48] <Riddell> 16:39 < Riddell> http://librocket.com/  C++ user interface middleware package based on the HTML and CSS standards
[15:48] <Riddell> 16:39 < Riddell> well I've no idea what uses that
[15:48] <Riddell> 16:40 < Riddell> sgclark: I guess apachelogger had some reason to want it packaged a year ago but not a very good reason since he didn't get round to it, wait until he replies but probably close it
[15:48] <sgclark> ok
[16:00] <sgclark> Riddell: cleaned up, will work on libqapt
[16:05] <Riddell> sgclark: oh? what's need doing with it?
[16:05] <sgclark> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt/+bug/1328165
[16:07] <Riddell> hah my own bug too, great please do
[16:47] <sgclark> Riddell: libqapt in staging
[16:57] <sgclark> Riddell: no changes for trusty ^
[19:43] <Riddell> sgclark: great
[20:11] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma patch looks good, you can commit it yourself
[20:11] <sgclark> ty
[20:14] <Riddell> making plasma build-dep on the right frameworks -dev packages is another issue
[20:15] <Riddell> would need another comand line switch
[20:57] <soee> good news :-)
[20:57] <soee> latest version of plasma-next from neos works great !
[20:57] <soee> *neon
[21:10]  * Riddell spots stable/frameworks/5.0.0/
[21:12] <yofel> \o/
[21:21]  * yofel notes that CFQ is a horrible choice of IO scheduler if one creates fixed size virtualbox images on a rotary medium
[21:21] <yofel> unlike dealine you can barely even move the mouse
[21:21] <yofel> *deadline
[21:31] <Riddell> is that the one that baloo wants?
[21:31]  * Riddell grabs an espresso mocha and some tortilla and cracks on with kubuntu-initial-upload
[21:37] <yofel> yes
[21:43] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[22:16] <apachelogger> sgclark: close librocket, use case disappeared
[22:16] <sgclark> apachelogger: ok
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[22:53] <Riddell> KF5 5.0.0 up in next PPA, do keep an eye on it ninjas and poke as needed
[22:54] <Riddell> also if someone could set up a qa report that would be great
[22:54]  * Riddell wanders "home"