[08:35] <Saviq> mzanetti, that's a duplicate - bug #1243889 - right? if you can remember the other one - please mark dupe
[08:36] <mzanetti> Saviq: yes.
[08:37] <mzanetti> narf... I *always* click on the bug number and join weird channels
[08:40] <Saviq> lol
[09:12] <tsdgeos> hmmmm
[09:12] <tsdgeos> does anybody know what causes the "up" animation in the preview?
[09:12] <tsdgeos> is it OpenEffect?
[09:12] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑↑↑ ?
[09:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, "causes"?
[09:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, OpenEffect splits the dash view, yes
[09:13] <tsdgeos> that's unfortunate :/
[09:13] <tsdgeos> doesn't take my new floating tabbar into account
[09:13] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right...
[09:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, arguably, the preview could be moved up the stack
[09:14] <Saviq> tsdgeos, so that it's on top of the whole dash
[09:14] <tsdgeos> or at least the OpenEffect
[09:14] <Saviq> but then that'd mean we're splitting all of the dash
[09:14] <Saviq> not just the current view
[09:14] <Saviq> which means moar pixels :/
[09:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ?
[09:19] <tsdgeos> isn't "all of the dash" == "the current view"?
[09:19] <tsdgeos> ah no
[09:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, I mean the other scopes, too
[09:19] <tsdgeos> we load everything
[09:19] <tsdgeos>         cacheBuffer:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[09:19] <tsdgeos> but..
[09:19] <tsdgeos> the OpenEffect works over sourceItem.width, sourceItem.height
[09:19] <tsdgeos> not sure we'd be moving more pixels than that
[09:20] <Saviq> true
[09:20] <Saviq> if the effect is only as big as the view - it won't sample beyond that
[09:20] <Saviq> or affect anything beyond that
[09:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it feels like you should rebase on top of mzanetti's switching-previews before you start that
[09:21] <Saviq> which I should re-review btw :/
[09:21] <tsdgeos> he he
[09:21] <Saviq> mzanetti, btw https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1243824/comments/2
[09:21] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: lp:~unity-team/unity8/switching-previews
[09:21] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: Saviq: i think i can "easily" fix it how it's now, let me get to almost-feature-finished
[09:21] <tsdgeos> and then i'll rebase
[09:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok
[09:22] <mzanetti> Saviq: mhm. yeah. that matches with my suspicion
[09:24] <Saviq> mzanetti, the other movement in jhodapp's video (movement of the app itself) I'm not sure what it is
[09:24] <Saviq> mzanetti, it might be the screenshot, which doesn't cater for fullscreen apps...
[09:24] <mzanetti> Saviq: I think that's the panel
[09:25] <mzanetti> Saviq: ah no. the app's size seems to change
[09:25] <mzanetti> but that might well be related to the panel show/hide
[09:26] <Saviq> mzanetti, don't think so, as it doesn't happen in portrait
[09:26] <mzanetti> hmm... interesting
[09:26] <Saviq> I mean
[09:26] <Saviq> in portrait when you touch the app-panel edge
[09:26] <Saviq> but does happen on right edge
[09:27] <Saviq> and in gallery, too - but only if it's the only app
[09:27] <mzanetti> Saviq: because it's the right edge only
[09:27] <mzanetti> would be interesting to see if happens the other way round too. with the launcher's edge
[09:27] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah but I mean it's unrelated to the panel
[09:27] <mzanetti> ok, yes
[09:28] <mzanetti> wait... I think we're confusing panels :D
[09:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, toolbar
[09:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, unrelated to toolbar
[09:28] <mzanetti> right, yes. agreed
[09:28] <Saviq> mzanetti, it's our hinting thingy for when there's only one app
[09:28] <mzanetti> oh!
[09:28] <mzanetti> yeah, sure
[09:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, so you'll fix it with your right edge rework ;)
[09:29] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok
[09:29] <Saviq> mzanetti, was kinda kidding, but yeah - it may very well be the output of your stuff
[09:30] <mzanetti> Saviq: btw. I managed to catch another one while testing with edges yesterday: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/dont-tease-while-moving/+merge/192366
[09:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, saw that
[09:31] <Cimi> fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1235190
[09:43] <Saviq> Cimi, invalid - not our bug
[09:43] <Saviq> Cimi, btw, can you dupe bug #1234921 to the one you were fixing, please
[09:47] <Saviq> mzanetti, how about bug #1232260 - seen it anywhere again?
[09:48] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... Not knowingly. I did have some crashes lately, but didn't eagerly ready each and every stack trace any more in the last week
[09:48] <mzanetti> I'll watch out for it
[09:50] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'll make incomplete then
[09:51] <mzanetti> ok
[09:57] <mzanetti> Saviq: I'm afraid the right edge thing will require to rethink all the stages stuff
[09:57] <mzanetti> from both perspectives: Design and implementation
[09:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, of course it will
[09:59] <mzanetti> ok
[10:06] <Saviq> mzanetti, there's no bug for the right edge prototype you're doing now is there?
[10:06] <Saviq> bug #1228733 fyi
[10:09] <mzanetti> Saviq: cheers
[10:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, you got the gdbus call that you used to reset the launcher?
[10:10]  * Saviq needs to turn the demo back on
[10:10] <mzanetti> gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Set com.canonical.unity.AccountsService launcher-items "<[{'defaults' : <true>}]>"
[10:11] <mzanetti> Saviq: ^
[10:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, thanks
[10:11] <Saviq> jeez can we please fix the console over adb? kthxbai
[10:13] <mzanetti> +1 :D
[10:20] <Saviq> greyback, is there a bug about parenting surfaces in mir/unity-mir? bug #1240611 could use a relation there
[10:21] <greyback> Saviq: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-mir/+bug/1230091
[10:21] <Saviq> greyback, thanks
[10:28] <Saviq> yay for bug triaging...
[10:28] <Saviq> /food
[10:30] <Saviq> mzanetti, hmm so you weren't shown all the video prototypes?
[10:30] <mzanetti> Saviq: if you ask like this the answer is probably: no
[10:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, for main + side stage, right-edge, the most probable solution would be to show the side and main stage apps next to each other, on separate stacks
[10:31] <Saviq> mzanetti, obviously this does conflict with dragging the side stage in
[10:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, and I don't think they have a ready-made answer
[10:32] <mzanetti> ok. so the mail is still valid
[10:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah of course it is
[10:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, please bug them so that they show you everything they have
[10:33] <Saviq> mzanetti, and at least nudge in the direction they're leaning towards
[10:34] <mzanetti> ok
[10:36] <greyback> Saviq: mzanetti: can you send me link to those video prototypes please? I've lost it
[10:36] <Saviq> greyback, we never had them ;)
[10:36] <Saviq> greyback, Oren showed it from his laptop - he'll probably steal them now and not let us see! ;)
[10:36] <mzanetti> greyback: Saviq: there is a qml prototype in the willow-team repository
[10:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, that's old
[10:37] <greyback> Saviq: he didn't share??
[10:37] <Saviq> somewhat
[10:37] <Saviq> greyback, AFAIR he shared the screen
[10:37] <greyback> pah
[10:37] <mzanetti> it's quite close to the video that vesar showed me through the hangout
[10:37] <Saviq> greyback, so that he could control
[10:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, problem is they're looking at some other similar approaches
[10:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, and you should see them all
[10:38] <mzanetti> true
[10:38] <Saviq> especially when we're not yet sure which way to go
[10:38] <mzanetti> vesar: ^^ *hint*
[10:38] <Saviq> if only for you to think of it in a way that would let us go between the different solutions a little bit easier
[10:38] <greyback> hmm, I've got the phone video
[10:38] <greyback> might be old tho
[10:39] <mzanetti> I guess that's the one I saw in the meeting yesterday
[10:39] <Saviq> greyback, yeah, it probably is the first one - and Oren showed us like 5 different ones then
[10:39]  * Saviq really food
[10:41]  * greyback away
[10:50] <nic-doffay> Saviq, how can I slow down the desktop gallery previews again? I recall you telling me this a while ago and forgot to make a note of it...
[10:58] <Saviq> nic-doffay, qmlscene --help
[12:12] <dednick> mpt: ping
[12:51] <sil2100> Trevinho: ping!
[12:51] <sil2100> :)
[12:53] <sil2100> bregma: hi! Do you know when Trevinho will be around today?
[12:54] <bregma> sil2100, he's in California, he might be around Monday
[12:54] <sil2100> Ouch
[12:54] <bregma> evidently we allowed him a day or two of vacation
[12:54] <bregma> won;t happen again
[12:55] <bregma> :)
[12:55] <mzanetti> dednick: I got assigned to do a reevaluation of things that need to be tested etc. what happened to the indicator autopilot tests?
[12:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, there weren't any ;)
[12:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, but alesage is working on new ones
[12:56] <Saviq> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~allanlesage/unity8/indicator-stubs/+merge/192059
[12:59] <mzanetti> ok, thanks
[13:03] <Saviq> dednick, add a TODO on https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicator-segfault-lp1243146/+merge/192121 to mention there *will* be a QTBUG please
[13:04] <Saviq> /we need to do another round of TODO / FIXME review
[13:12] <greyback> Saviq: to add to your list of TODOs, it would be great if we could get cross-building with pbuilder chroots working reliably.
[13:12] <Saviq> greyback, oh yeah, that's there already
[13:12] <Saviq> greyback, btw, just found a potentially nice trick
[13:12] <greyback> Saviq: oO, please share :)
[13:12] <Saviq> greyback, system-image-cli --filter full
[13:12] <Saviq> greyback, will revert your write-enabled phone
[13:13] <Saviq> to the latest pristine image
[13:13] <Saviq> without touching any other data
[13:13] <greyback> Saviq: cool
[13:13] <Saviq> with --build 0 will replace the current image
[13:14] <Saviq> no way yet to downgrade - bug #1244208 and bug #1244211
[13:15] <Saviq> but that at least means we can easily revert to a clean image without losing $HOME and such
[13:15] <Saviq> which means I could start dog-fooding the phone after all
[13:29] <dednick> Saviq: ok
[13:32] <dednick> Saviq: done.
[13:35] <greyback> tsdgeos: updated my 5.2 build, now unity8 builds correctly
[13:35] <greyback> but doesn't run :)
[13:35] <tsdgeos> he he
[13:42] <mhr3> Saviq, btw were you able to get stacktrace from the carousel crash you mentioned?
[13:44] <mterry> Saviq, looks like I missed the meeting, sorry.  Had to run to a coffee shop because my internet was down
[13:44] <mterry> Saviq, will add notes myself
[13:45] <Saviq> mterry, sure, nw
[13:59] <Cimi> Saviq, cannot reproduce this https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1234108
[14:00] <Saviq> Cimi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1234108/comments/4
[14:00] <Cimi> Saviq, I'm on sf
[14:00] <Saviq> Cimi, fine, then - mark incomplete if you can't reproduce, although it'd be good to find out why
[14:01] <Cimi> Saviq, I'll keep debugging
[14:01] <Cimi> Saviq, one thing is sure
[14:01] <Cimi> Saviq, if I swipe immediately when the app starts
[14:01] <Cimi> Saviq, I go back to dash
[14:01] <Cimi> Saviq, but when the app finishes loading
[14:01] <Cimi> Saviq, it switches to the app
[14:02] <Saviq> Cimi, different bug
[14:02] <Saviq> Cimi, it's filed already - and happens on Mir, too
[14:03] <Cimi> Saviq, can be fixed on the connection with the application manager
[14:04] <Cimi> Saviq, that might mean that applicationManager.mainStageFocusedApplication is true
[14:05] <Cimi> while should be false when you swipe back to dash
[14:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/fix-autopilot-touch can be removed, right?
[14:11] <mzanetti> yeah
[14:11] <Saviq> Cimi, it's not that, the app gets focused when it's ready - it switches to focused, but it shouldn't, if you swiped away
[14:11] <Cimi> Saviq, that's what I mean
[14:12] <Cimi> Saviq, it should be false
[14:13] <Saviq> Cimi, it's about it being null, for that matter, but even so - it *is* null when you swipe to dash, but then the app manager signals that the app wants to get the focus - and that's when we're still obeying, even though we should not
[14:13] <Saviq> Cimi, we knew that already ;)
[14:14] <Saviq> greyback, how about https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/refactor-wm-and-test/+merge/172583
[14:14] <Saviq> greyback, abandoned or still development?
[14:14] <greyback> Saviq: working on that now
[14:14] <Saviq> greyback, oh cool
[14:15] <Saviq> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/u8m-osk can be dropped, though?
[14:15] <Saviq> same with https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8-integrate-mir
[14:15] <Saviq> and https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8-run-mir-plusLinkerFun
[14:15] <greyback> Saviq: done
[14:15] <Saviq> greyback, cheers
[14:16] <Saviq> greyback, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/unity8-integrate-mir still there?
[14:16] <greyback> Saviq: yep, there are other branches with MRs up to merge into it, and a build recipe
[14:16] <greyback> Saviq: going through them
[14:16] <Saviq> greyback, okies
[14:20] <Saviq> mfisch, hey, could https://code.launchpad.net/~mfisch/unity8/unity8-lp1215951 be deleted maybe?
[14:21] <Saviq> ricmm, hey, could https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/unity8/use-volume-key-signals be deleted maybe?
[14:21] <Saviq> or marked abandoned?
[14:21] <mfisch> Saviq: deleted
[14:21] <Saviq> sil2100, how about https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity8/test - delete / mark abandoned?
[14:21] <Saviq> mfisch, thanks!
[14:21] <ricmm> Saviq: yes
[14:21] <ricmm> deleted
[14:22] <Saviq> ricmm, thanks
[14:22]  * Saviq likes Autumn clean-ups ;D
[14:22] <Saviq> ssweeny, could https://code.launchpad.net/~ssweeny/unity8/unity8-lp1215951 be deleted?
[14:23] <ssweeny> Saviq, yes it's been superseded
[14:23] <Saviq> ssweeny, cool, could you please delete it?
[14:23] <ssweeny> Saviq, sure
[14:23] <Saviq> ssweeny, thanks
[14:24] <ssweeny> Saviq, no worries
[14:24] <Saviq> pstolowski, hey, https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity8/monitor-network should probably stay, but https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity8/search-progress-prop ? could be deleted / marked abandoned?
[14:25] <pstolowski> Saviq, right, going to remove the latter
[14:25] <Saviq> pstolowski, thanks!
[14:25] <sil2100> Saviq: I don't even remember what's this about, so delete I guess
[14:26] <Saviq> sil2100, please do :)
[14:26] <Saviq> thanks!
[14:27] <Cimi> mzanetti, we don't have a qml test for that https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-1236286/+merge/192399
[14:27] <Saviq> Cimi, great time to add one! ;)
[14:27] <Cimi> hah
[14:27] <mzanetti> Cimi: I think there is one in Shell.qml. but if I'm wrong (which might well be) then yeah, what Saviq said
[14:29] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the search entry gets confused with the tabs if you run wide screen (./run -- --fullscreen)
[14:31] <Saviq> somone's back from AMD :D
[14:31] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and clipping when overshooting in phone form factor, too
[14:31] <Cimi> mzanetti, it's a simple one
[14:32] <Cimi> mzanetti, and it still works with 26 because it's like 30 movement in the test
[14:32] <Cimi> (I checked if there was room for a test of it)
[14:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, or maybe just the "fat bar" is confused
[14:32] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what do you mean gets confused?
[14:32] <Saviq> the one between the page header and contents
[14:32] <tsdgeos> that's it's whay of hiding
[14:32] <tsdgeos> first get wide as hell and then hide
[14:32] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the search entry? it shouldn't be hiding
[14:33] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it should only get wide and hide on screens < 60gu
[14:33] <tsdgeos> that's not how the page header code was
[14:33] <tsdgeos> it took into account the length of the label
[14:33] <tsdgeos> and it's what the new code also does
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it only took it into account to know if it should hide or not
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and it shouldn't take all tab labels into account, just the current one, somehow
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, on tablet it should never move, basically - just expand when you focus it
[14:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: and if you expand it then what?
[14:34] <tsdgeos> they'll overlap
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, it only expands to 60gu or so
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, never more
[14:35] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i mean the tab bar
[14:35] <tsdgeos> or should it clip ?
[14:35] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the tab bar should be reduced to width - textField.width
[14:35] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:36] <Saviq> tsdgeos, basically, on screens > 60gu, the only movement the search entry should do is expand to 60 gu
[14:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, or well, yeah if it fits with the label - it should not hide
[14:37] <tsdgeos> ok
[14:37] <Saviq> tsdgeos, which should not take the whole tab bar into account
[14:37] <tsdgeos> Saviq:  can you comment on the review request so i don't forget and whoever reviews next week also has it in mind?
[14:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah will do
[14:39] <mzanetti> Cimi: add a data() function to it so that it runs twice, once with less than 26, once with more than 26
[14:40] <Cimi> mzanetti, I'll see what's best
[14:43] <mzanetti> Cimi: ok
[14:43] <mzanetti> Cimi: I disapproved one of your other branches :/
[14:44] <mzanetti> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/fix-1238232/+merge/191424
[14:46] <mzanetti> Cimi: but I also marked the bug as invalid. so nothing personal to you :D
[14:48] <Cimi> hah ok
[14:49] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: you won't believe it. I still didn't apply your patch and today I had 2 crashes: one at 15:28 and one ad 16:48
[14:50] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:56]  * tsdgeos leaves for the airport
[14:56] <tsdgeos> see you guys on monday
[15:00] <nic-doffay> Saviq, there's a black bar overlaying everything, any idea how I can disable this?
[15:00] <nic-doffay> (unity8)
[15:01] <Saviq> nic-doffay, is it there in unity8 trunk?
[15:01] <nic-doffay> Saviq, let me confirm quickly...
[15:09] <mzanetti> MacSlow: ping
[15:09] <MacSlow> mzanetti, yup
[15:09] <Cimi> mzanetti, tests updated
[15:09] <mzanetti> MacSlow: why would this require autopilot tests? https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/unity8/dismiss-keyboard/+merge/188599
[15:09] <mzanetti> Cimi: cheers. I'll check it out soon
[15:11] <MacSlow> mzanetti, should that not be checked (protected against regressions in the future)?
[15:12] <mzanetti> MacSlow: this doesn't use any external processes or anything it communicates with
[15:12] <mzanetti> MacSlow: qml test is way to go
[15:13] <MacSlow> mzanetti, but isn't the triggering of the keyboard and the entry-field such a case?
[15:14] <MacSlow> mzanetti, I admit I don't know the implementation details atm
[15:14] <mzanetti> MacSlow: No. I think the OSK should autopilot tests to make sure it comes up with all sorts of textfields
[15:14] <MacSlow> mzanetti, ok then
[15:14] <mzanetti> MacSlow: but we in this particular case should have a wml test that makes sure we unfocus the textfield
[15:15] <mzanetti> wml -> qml
[15:15] <MacSlow> mzanetti, want me to update my comment there?
[15:15] <mzanetti> MacSlow: I added a comment, feel free to add one yourself if you want
[15:17] <mzanetti> MacSlow: added one more comment.
[15:17] <MacSlow> updated
[15:18] <Cimi> mzanetti, ti odio :D
[15:18] <mzanetti> Cimi: piacere
[15:18] <Cimi> hah
[15:18] <Cimi> mzanetti, praticamente sei passato in ogni mia review e hai aggiunto "test please" :D
[15:18] <mzanetti> Cimi: sorry... I was assigned to walk through all bugs and check for tests :/
[15:19] <Cimi> mzanetti, I hoped to get unnoticed
[15:19] <mzanetti> Cimi: If I wouldn't do it, saviq would do it in 2 weeks
[15:19] <mzanetti> Cimi: and its not just you. I even unapproved a already approved branch from dednick
[15:19] <Cimi> mzanetti, I wouldn't test this though https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/carousel-music-video/+merge/192118
[15:19] <mzanetti> Cimi: and am accumulating testing todos for myself too
[15:19] <Saviq> Cimi, do you need a testing-is-good talk again? ;P
[15:20] <Cimi> Saviq, I know it's good
[15:20] <Cimi> Saviq, good doesn't mean fun though :)
[15:22] <mzanetti> Cimi: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/carousel-music-video/+merge/192118/comments/443063
[15:24] <mzanetti> Cimi: however, I know that scopes are really badly mocked right now. I would be ok with skipping tests in this one. Given that soon enough we need to do a really big Dash+Scopes Testing+cleanup session
[15:25] <mzanetti> Cimi: can you please just have a look if you think my comment is feasible right now or not
[15:25] <Cimi> mzanetti, I already replied
[15:25] <Cimi> mzanetti, it's on a different branch
[15:26] <mzanetti> Cimi: damn. I confused it with the other one...
[15:26] <mzanetti> sorry about that
[15:26]  * mzanetti has seen too many branches in the last 2 hours
[15:27] <Cimi> mzanetti, even if I hate you now, we're still friends by the way, don't worry :P
[15:27] <Cimi> Saviq, I hate you too don't be jealous :P
[15:27] <mzanetti> Cimi: But you know what I mean... we can write tests that at least load the component and check if it at least compiles
[15:27] <Cimi> yeah
[15:27]  * Cimi is joking
[15:28] <mzanetti> :)
[15:28]  * mzanetti => 10 minute break before going crazy
[15:43] <Saviq> ok, EOW peeps, talk to you next time o/
[15:51] <mzanetti> Saviq: bye
[15:54] <Cimi> you here guys? :)
[15:54] <Cimi> mzanetti, or Saviq :)
[15:54] <mzanetti> I am
[15:54] <mzanetti> Cimi: ^
[15:58] <mzanetti> Cimi: notice something here? https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/search_indicator_dash_only/+merge/191012
[15:59] <Cimi> mzanetti, missing tests?
[15:59] <mzanetti> ;)
[15:59] <mzanetti> Cimi: you should ask others for tests too. (including me and Saviq)
[16:01] <mzanetti> om26er: https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/search_indicator_dash_only/+merge/191012
[16:02] <om26er> mzanetti, I am on vacation till 5th Nov. but if you give me pointers I'll fully try to write a test for that voluntarily
[16:03] <mzanetti> om26er: ah ok. I'll be away for one week starting on the 5th :)
[16:03] <om26er> mzanetti, can you comment on the MR for what needs to be done. I would like to improve my qml testing skills for sure
[16:04] <mzanetti> om26er: well, it's quite straigt forward: there is a tests/qmltests/tst_shell.qml. Just add a new function in there, and do whatever you'd do in autopilot too. instead of select_single() etc you can use findChild()
[16:04] <mzanetti> om26er: the rest is the same, except it's easier in qml ;)
[16:05] <mzanetti> there is compare() just like Equals() and tryCompare() instead of Eventually(Equals())
[16:05] <mzanetti> om26er: ^
[16:06] <om26er> mzanetti, ok, I am *trying* to fix a bug in the terminal app on the phone, once I am done with that. I'll pick this one
[16:06] <mzanetti> om26er: feel free to ping me for help anytime
[16:06] <om26er> mzanetti, sure will do. Thanks :)
[16:10] <mzanetti> om26er: heh, found this. looks like its not that new for you after all :) https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/unity8/fix_1238837/+merge/190743
[16:10] <om26er> mzanetti, yep, that was like my first qml test.
[16:11] <mzanetti> om26er: ok. because you said that I read through it and I think I spotted a problem
[16:11] <mzanetti> or better a weakness
[16:12] <mzanetti> om26er: the test_clickTileNotClose() clicks on it and *immediately* checks if if the tile is still here
[16:12] <om26er> mzanetti, ah? what's that ?
[16:12] <mzanetti> om26er: while most likely it would take a couple of ms to actually close the app
[16:12] <mzanetti> and this test wouldn't notice
[16:14] <om26er> mzanetti, we are verifying that twice, first we make sure the running app is not in the model and only then check if the tile has finally vanished
[16:15] <mzanetti> yeah. but if there is one async operation in closing the app both checks would run before
[16:16] <mzanetti> om26er: as we're using mocks, most likely everything in the backend is syncronous. But remember, an autopilot test like this woule *never* fail even though the app would be closed when clicking on the tile
[16:20] <om26er> mzanetti, I have a hard time understanding that, do you mean we need an autopilot test for that or telling me qmltests are better ? :D
[16:21] <mzanetti> om26er: neither of that. actually scratch the autopilot comment
[16:22] <mzanetti> om26er: what I meant is that both, qmltests and autopilot tests are not really useful if written in such a way
[16:22] <mzanetti> om26er: as it's really easy to break the code without getting noticed by the test
[16:23] <om26er> mzanetti, in autopilot I would really make sure that the tile disappeared and the number of tiles previously and now is different
[16:24] <mzanetti> om26er: yeah that's the thing. this test checks if the number is still the same as before, and it does that immediately
[16:24] <mzanetti> om26er: so if the number of tiles changes a few milliseconds later, for example because of an async operation somewhere in the code, the test checks have already ra
[16:24] <mzanetti> n
[16:24] <mzanetti> and after the test passed the tile goes away
[16:25] <om26er> mzanetti, is there something like "Eventually" here ?
[16:25] <mzanetti> om26er: unfortunately not really
[16:25] <mzanetti> om26er: one of the rare cases where we allow to use wait() in qmltests
[16:26] <om26er> mzanetti, does that take a time parameter or it has its own timeout ?
[16:26] <mzanetti> om26er: because with wait(0) you trigger the event loop without really sleeping. so the test would still catch single async operations. still not ideal, I agree
[16:26] <mzanetti> om26er: wait(milliseconds)
[16:27] <mzanetti> whereas 0 has the special meaning of triggering the event loop and continue _at the end_ of the scheduled things in the next event loop run
[16:28] <mzanetti> see QTimer docs for that
[16:33] <om26er> mzanetti, ack. I'll update this one, and add a new test for the other branch
[16:33] <mzanetti> om26er: thanks


[05:01] <xu-help36w> Hello, anyone know how to get the "Blueman" bluetooth manager to display on the panel bar ? (it doesn't exist in the "add new items" option)
[09:41] <elvinpresler> Anyone awake?
[09:46] <Unit193> At 6am?  Nope.
[15:31] <elvinpresler> Anyone else playing around with the 22.04 beta? So far it seems pretty good. Better than 20.04 by a long shot.


[03:17] <dobey> wgrant: if you're around, could you bump the quota to 4GB on https://launchpad.net/~dobey/+archive/ubuntu/audiotools please?
[03:41] <wgrant> dobey: Done.
[19:31] <teward> um... is it typical for a build to fail on a PPA and *not* have a buildlog?
[19:31] <teward> cjwatson: ^ any thoughts/ideas?
[19:32] <cjwatson> teward: URL to the build, please?
[19:32] <teward> https://launchpad.net/~teward/+archive/ubuntu/nginx-devel-testing/+build/8773582
[19:33] <teward> one minute run means it was probably something big or substantial, but no build log makes me think the env just died
[19:33] <cjwatson> teward: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1529428
[19:33] <cjwatson> teward: I've cleared this now and retried your build
[19:34] <teward> thanks
[19:34] <cjwatson> er, let me try that again, maybe I didn't give it long enough
[19:34] <teward> i'm running in a local sbuild just to rule out the PPA system being at fault
[19:34] <teward> though all the other builds succeeded
[19:34] <cjwatson> it'll be chroot-specific
[19:34] <teward> ok
[19:34] <cjwatson> i.e. just xenial i386 in this instance
[19:35] <teward> failed again
[19:35] <cjwatson> yes I know
[19:35] <cjwatson> and I said that
[19:35] <cjwatson> 19:34 <cjwatson> er, let me try that again, maybe I didn't give it long enough
[19:35] <teward> ah ok
[19:35] <teward> sorry, running faster than i am reading :)
[19:35] <cjwatson> hm, still getting 404 from squid
[19:35]  * teward goes to find some tea to calm his overclocked brain :P
[19:49] <cjwatson> teward: properly cleared now, retried again.  I'll just go and look for other casualties
[19:49] <teward> cjwatson: thank you, i'll let you know if anything remains dead (it does succeed building, though :P)
[20:00] <cyball> hi ... is there some documentation about where launchpad is storing the orig sources from a pkg? if i build my deb locally it just works on the launchpad server it seems not to find the sources
[20:01] <cyball> I found only PKGBUILDDIR is there a PKGSRCDIR or something similar?
[20:22] <cjwatson> the source files are available from the archive on Launchpad - I might be able to give a more helpful answer given more specifics
[20:22] <cjwatson> for example a link to the failing build
[20:24] <cjwatson> cyball: ^-
[20:25] <cjwatson> PKGBUILDDIR is not very relevant, that's just a substitution sbuild applies in place of the real build directory in the build log so that logs from different versions can be compared more easily
[20:25] <teward> cjwatson: confirmed, that nginx build cleared and worked, thanks!
[20:26] <cyball> cjwatson: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232329954/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.eve_0.1-1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:26] <cyball> cjwatson: i 've tried now to put everything in the pkg folder it seems to work but i have now an path conflict
[20:27] <cjwatson> cyball: given it's go, note that LP builds are not allowed to fetch stuff from the internet
[20:27] <cyball> yes i know ... that's why i have the problems .. so i have to provide all golang libs into the sources
[20:28] <cyball> but it is some kind of sad that there is no PKGSRCDIR env var
[20:28] <cjwatson> uh, hardly
[20:28] <cjwatson> it would be meaningless
[20:28] <cjwatson> your package's source is in your current directory, you don't need another environment variable for that
[20:29] <cyball> yes ... that's what I'm trying now
[20:39] <cjwatson> cyball: your source package fails identically in a local sbuild instance
[20:39] <cjwatson> cyball: I recommend setting up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild and testing your source package in that before uploading it
[20:40] <teward> ^ that (I speak from experience!)
[20:40] <teward> (helps a lot for me :P)
[20:41] <cjwatson> cyball: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14292170/ <- directory tree after the failure
[20:42] <cjwatson> so looks like that's where "go install" put things
[20:43] <cyball> cjwatson: thx for the tree :)
[20:43] <cjwatson> also hardcoding x86-64 is weird - aren't there conventions for how go packages' debian/rules are laid out that are a bit more portable?
[20:43] <cjwatson> even if that doesn't happen to matter yet
[20:45] <cjwatson> it might not matter right now, but since the problem is around this obj-x86_64-linux-gnu directory, it seems a good place to start
[20:46] <cyball> yes this is the directory created by the dh_golang stuff
[20:46] <cjwatson> yeah, but it's an architecture-specific one; I find it hard to believe that most go packages hardcode it, since most of them manage to build on other architectures
[20:47] <cjwatson> which suggests to me that there is a template somewhere for this kind of thing that might work better
[20:47] <cyball> might be .. I didn't find it yet
[20:48] <cyball> but I try to get it running now ... that is from my perspective the step before :)
[21:03] <dobey> it seems the problem is taht your "source" package already contains the built code
[21:05] <cyball> cjwatson: ok it seems to work now
[21:05] <cjwatson> dobey: no, that's not the problem
[21:06] <cjwatson> cyball: ok, good
[21:06] <cyball> now i can take care about the different arch types :D
[21:07] <cjwatson> dobey: (the fix was https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232331708/eve_0.1-1_0.2-1.diff.gz, which should hopefully give you an idea)
[21:07] <cjwatson> probably needs some clean rule tidyup, but anyway
[21:08] <dobey> ah, yeah, the rules file is going about it all wrong
[21:10] <dobey> assuming the dependencies are vendored in the source tree, or have their source packaged and are enumerated as build-depends, then you should only need the standard %: dh $@ --buildsystem=golang --with=golang rule
[21:10] <cyball> yes ... the cleanup will follow now ... :) ... it took me the whole day all that stuff ... i've first started building only binary pkgs until the point i realized that PPA does not support them
[21:10] <dobey> something akin to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity-scope-snappy/trunk/view/head:/debian/rules
[21:11] <cjwatson> looks like that could be improved further with dh-exec, too :)
[21:12] <dobey> fwiw, including the .git directory in all the dependency trees in your source is also not nice
[21:12] <cjwatson> ah, maybe not, the .in file in question isn't a debhelper file
[21:12] <cyball> yes ... the git stuff will also be removed ... :-)
[21:13] <dobey> cjwatson: yeah, there's some extra nasty stuff in there because go's build system itself doesn't have any way to manage generated data files :-/
[21:31] <cyball> dobey: do you know how to vendor the sources in the pkg tree?
[21:31] <cyball> dobey: is there a specific directory i have to put it into?
[21:31] <dobey> cyball: see the "vendor" tool
[21:33] <dobey> https://github.com/kardianos/govendor
[21:33] <cyball> dobey: thx


[15:04] <mynameisdeleted> ...
[15:08] <holstein> morning :)
[15:10] <mynameisdeleted> morning
[15:11] <mynameisdeleted> I looked at sourceforges eos-movierec and tried it from my mac(also runs on linux and I have ubuntu machines)
[15:11] <mynameisdeleted> it looks like full hd 1080p h264 stream studio quality over usb
[15:11] <mynameisdeleted> at blu-ray datarate
[15:11] <mynameisdeleted> much better than a real webcam
[15:11] <mynameisdeleted> and I have it already for photography and recording videos to card
[15:11] <mynameisdeleted> http://www.nsrfilms.com/images/5d_rig.jpg
[15:12] <mynameisdeleted> like that setup
[15:12] <mynameisdeleted> I was wondering if I could turn that into a webcam
[15:12] <mynameisdeleted> or live streaming cam easilly
[15:12] <mynameisdeleted> and if there were tools to support blue-screen and video path mixing live in ubuntu
[15:13] <mynameisdeleted> I was also wondering about computer-controlled light dimmers
[15:14] <mynameisdeleted> I like how jackd works
[15:14] <mynameisdeleted> I'd like to mix live video with video-game/opengl program output
[15:14] <holstein> i know green-screen is possible
[15:14] <holstein> ive seen some examples
[15:15]  * holstein is an audio guy
[15:15] <mynameisdeleted> you have a source code example of live greenscreen from "webcam"?
[15:15] <holstein> i dont know about that hardware
[15:15] <holstein> BUT if its USB
[15:15] <holstein> plug it in
[15:15] <holstein> and see :)
[15:15] <mynameisdeleted> it appears to be a digital camera
[15:15] <mynameisdeleted> but that software can capture a live h264 stream in linux
[15:15] <holstein> mynameisdeleted: i have seen sample videos
[15:15] <holstein> made with linux
[15:15] <holstein> ubuntustudio
[15:15] <mynameisdeleted> I'm thinking live
[15:16] <holstein> using green screen
[15:16] <holstein> im not sure about h.264
[15:16] <holstein> i think thats an option though
[15:16] <holstein> depends on the application i suppose
[15:17] <mynameisdeleted> pipe to mencoder for new format
[15:24] <mynameisdeleted> mencoder can pipe from most file pipes
[15:24] <mynameisdeleted> and wtih 4 ghz overclocked i7
[15:25] <mynameisdeleted> you can convert real time
[15:25] <mynameisdeleted> without multithread
[15:25] <mynameisdeleted> with it it works better I think
[15:25] <mynameisdeleted> for live video I think 6 thread 4ghz is good enough
[15:25] <mynameisdeleted> or 6 core 12 thread
[15:25] <mynameisdeleted> maybe dual xeon 4-core
[15:26] <mynameisdeleted> beyond that .... if you need more cpu get more boxes
[15:26] <holstein> yeah
[15:26] <holstein> for live streaming
[15:26] <holstein> h.264 is probably over kill
[15:27] <holstein> it seems to be quite lean
[15:27] <mynameisdeleted> I'd want blu-ray quality live streaming that can have 1 stream sent to tv station over internet
[15:27] <holstein> BUT we got folks with some funky internet still
[15:27] <mynameisdeleted> I have 45mbps upload
[15:27] <holstein> sure *you* do
[15:27] <holstein> but i have 10 down
[15:28] <mynameisdeleted> I have 45/45
[15:28] <mynameisdeleted> I love it
[15:28] <holstein> and thats pretty high for around here
[15:28] <mynameisdeleted> 4ms ping time to yahoo
[15:28] <mynameisdeleted> there are a few parts of country where they sell gigabit internet to house
[15:28] <holstein> most in my neighborhood have DSL
[15:28] <holstein> 1.5mb/s down
[15:28] <mynameisdeleted> for 350 USD a month
[15:28] <holstein> ;)
[15:30] <holstein> seems like youtube has or had a quailty button
[15:30] <holstein> i think if i did video streaming
[15:30] <holstein> i would use something like youtube
[15:30] <holstein> unless it had to be live or on my local net
[15:32] <mynameisdeleted> I also have cell-phone internet iwth 5mbps upload
[15:32] <mynameisdeleted> and about 80-100ms ping
[15:33] <mynameisdeleted> was wondering how good 1080p video could look over 4g
[15:33] <mynameisdeleted> I think its better than live satelite
[15:33] <holstein> you and 3 other people world wide can enjoy it ;)
[15:34] <mynameisdeleted> yeah... many satelite broadcast trucks have under 1mbps
[15:34] <mynameisdeleted> so I'd have better mobiel hd than the tv station trucks
[15:34] <holstein> personally, im just fine with the quality
[15:34] <holstein> i want content
[15:35] <virtu> hi 4 all
[15:35] <virtu> was away
[15:35] <holstein> its 2010, and i have to wait on a plastic circle to come in the mail to watch 'dexter'
[15:35] <holstein> virtu: hey :)
[15:35] <virtu> Hi holstein, how are you holstein?
[15:36] <holstein> not bad at all
[15:36] <virtu> nice... =)
[15:36] <holstein> i started a theory blog last nite :)
[15:36] <holstein> http://holstein-theoryninja.blogspot.com/
[15:36] <mynameisdeleted> so my home ubuntu cluster has 20 cores and 30GB ram over gigabit ethernet
[15:36] <virtu> let me see it
[15:36] <mynameisdeleted> so that can hanle green-screen and mixing in 3d graphics
[15:36] <holstein> mynameisdeleted: :)
[15:36] <holstein> the guy i saw doing it had a p4 i think ;)
[15:37] <holstein> so that should do the job well
[15:37] <virtu> nice blog... very clean and objetctive
[15:37] <mynameisdeleted> and private t3 can distribute to limited number of viewers blu-ray content
[15:38] <mynameisdeleted> if I need more I upload to a datacenter to re-distribute
[15:38] <holstein> virtu: thank-ya :)
[15:38] <holstein> i go on and on about that in #music-theory
[15:39] <holstein> now i can just drop that link
[15:39] <mynameisdeleted> I got 6 local bands willing to do live broadcasts and wanting me to do video recordings fo their concerts
[15:39] <mynameisdeleted> plan on making music videso too
[15:39] <holstein> thats great
[15:39] <mynameisdeleted> kdenlive is the best tool for editing?
[15:40] <holstein> mynameisdeleted: i would hit up the email list
[15:40] <holstein> i tried several
[15:40] <holstein> and i forget which one i landed on
[15:40] <mynameisdeleted> my macbook has finalcut pro but that is inefficient compared to kdenlive and my ubuntu boxes are much faster
[15:40] <holstein> ive used avidmuex before
[15:41] <holstein> yeah, i suppose final-cut is just stupid simple or something
[15:41] <mynameisdeleted> imovie is
[15:41] <holstein> OH, and it has the apple on it
[15:41] <mynameisdeleted> finalcut is a pro level tool
[15:41] <mynameisdeleted> hbo uses finalcut with $40k video rigs
[15:41] <mynameisdeleted> or more
[15:42] <holstein> thats what they use around here
[15:42] <holstein> we have a local station
[15:42] <mynameisdeleted> and all their shows take multiple computers overnight
[15:42] <holstein> and they have final cut rigs
[15:43] <mynameisdeleted> I'd like a jackd equivelant for video to become a linux standard
[15:43] <mynameisdeleted> most professional audio software for linux uses jack
[15:44] <mynameisdeleted> and can be routed however
[15:44] <holstein> yup
[15:44] <holstein> handy
[15:44] <mynameisdeleted> I set all audio outputs to use jack as backend
[15:44] <holstein> falktx is doing some great work with KXstudio
[15:44] <mynameisdeleted> so I have full control of all sound on all programs
[15:44] <holstein> jack was auto starting for a while
[15:44] <holstein> i think it still is
[15:44] <holstein> you login, and JACK is up and running :)
[15:45] <mynameisdeleted> if I make mod to that(I have my own jack autostart and config scripts)
[15:45] <mynameisdeleted> I'll make a video pipe program
[15:45] <mynameisdeleted> that has green-screen and blue-screen plugin
[15:46] <mynameisdeleted> and can use blu-ray, dvd, webcam, a program window or anythign like that for video
[15:46] <mynameisdeleted> that can be routed
[15:46] <mynameisdeleted> if I get somethign very primitive that organizes that and lets me have mplayer module for conversion
[15:46] <mynameisdeleted> and video streaming output control nicely
[15:46] <mynameisdeleted> and mix 2 video streams and bluescreenfor start
[15:47] <mynameisdeleted> and can appear to be a webcam device for anythign that requires a "webcam"
[15:48] <mynameisdeleted> I guess there is a fork of jakcd that can route video
[15:48] <mynameisdeleted> but no programs for it
[15:48] <holstein> not that i know of
[15:48] <mynameisdeleted> and handling bw is much more critical
[15:48] <holstein> you should query the email list though
[15:48] <holstein> and see
[15:48] <holstein> i dont do video
[15:48] <holstein> well, very rarely
[15:48] <holstein> BBL...
[16:37] <virtu> it's not easy play dream theater on piano
[16:38] <holstein> is that a tune?
[16:39] <holstein> http://www.dreamtheater.net/ ??
[16:40] <virtu> dream theater? a band[
[16:40] <virtu> a band.. a great band
[16:40] <virtu> =)
[16:41] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opq72hDWHt4 this one I am trying
[16:42] <holstein> hey http://www.dreamtheater.net/disco_books.php
[16:42] <holstein> thats pretty cool
[16:42] <mynameisdeleted> hows 15C/59F for a cpu core temp?
[16:42] <virtu> http://www.dreamtheater.net/disco_books.php?s=sfam this album is great
[16:43] <mynameisdeleted> does that make the case 10C/50F?
[16:43] <mynameisdeleted> and the refrigerated fluid?
[16:43] <virtu> but hat music boot is only for guitar
[16:43] <mynameisdeleted> (liquid refrigerator cooled at 4 ghz)
[16:43] <virtu> 15c for a cpu core temp I think its nice
[16:43] <holstein> you could get by playing G F# D in the right hand
[16:44] <holstein> and playing the bass notes with the left
[16:44] <holstein> in ocvates
[16:44] <virtu> I got the piano sheet holstein
[16:44] <virtu> now, just have to pratice
[16:44] <holstein> sure
[16:44] <holstein> im just saying that would be a simplificationa
[16:44] <virtu> but you are right... all music is on G F# D
[16:44] <holstein> im just saying that would be a simplification *
[16:45] <virtu> sure =)
[16:45] <virtu> there are some measures that I dont play all notes... just the ones that sound great and easy to play...
[16:46] <holstein> yeah
[16:46] <holstein> you can put them in later :)
[16:46] <holstein> if you want
[16:46] <virtu> after that, when my hands are already trained..
[16:46] <virtu> that what I was writing =D
[16:46] <virtu> I set my piano to a pop piano sound and insert a litlle delay
[16:47] <virtu> rock piano is the sound that I set
[16:47] <holstein> i have a rock piano ;)
[16:47] <holstein> old CP-80
[16:47] <holstein> yamaha electric grand
[16:47] <virtu> it sounds very near with Jordan Rudess keyboard
[16:48] <virtu> Jordan Rudess a.k.a Dream Theater keyboarder
[16:53] <virtu_OFF> have to go
[16:53] <virtu_OFF> bye for all
[16:54] <virtu_OFF> nice weekend
[22:14] <ventrik> Has Wacom ever come back?
[22:25] <holstein> ventrik: hmmm
[22:25] <holstein> AFAIK
[22:25] <holstein> i have an old white wacom
[22:25] <holstein> and i tested it with lucid
[22:25] <holstein> seemed like it worked
[22:46] <ventrik> No
[22:46] <ventrik> I meant the user
[22:46] <ventrik> lol
[22:48] <holstein> hehe
[22:48] <holstein> nah, havent seen Wacom ;)
[23:22] <mugwort13> what kind of program would someone use the make a keyboard controller make sounds like a keyboard one would buy?
[23:23] <holstein> hmmm
[23:23] <holstein> what are you looking for?
[23:23] <holstein> a software synthesiser?
[23:23] <holstein> you can control with a MIDI controller?
[23:23] <mugwort13> Yes, I believe so
[23:23] <holstein> any idea what kind of sounds you are looking for?
[23:23] <holstein> anyways...
[23:24] <holstein> there are soundfont players
[23:24] <holstein> and im less familiar with the other kind
[23:24] <holstein> gigasampler?
[23:24] <mugwort13> any sounds, really.  I have a radium 61 that is collecting dust.
[23:24] <holstein> there are standalone synths
[23:24] <holstein> yoshimi
[23:24] <holstein> hexter
[23:24] <holstein> several that are organs...
[23:25] <holstein> dssi plugins too
[23:27] <mugwort13> thanks
[23:27] <holstein> mugwort13: i...'
[23:27] <holstein> hmmm
[23:47] <virtu> I am back
[23:59] <virtu> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KLzb_yIxc


[00:12] <Kamilion> wxl pointed me this-a-way to ask about getting information on why xen 4.7 isn't around in yakkity or xenial yet? nacc indicated it hadn't hit debian yet; would that be the primary reason?
[00:40] <roaksoax> /w/win 6
[06:41] <ANTARES> http://i.imgur.com/isKNHz7.png
[06:54] <qmake> hello, how can I make lldpad service emit actual MAC addr instead of the bond MAC?
[07:31] <smb> Kamilion, mostly the same answer as on ubuntu-realease (because Debian has had nothing either). Though there has been requests and there might be something coming soon(ish). Don't want to make too strong promises, though
[07:33] <Kamilion> no worries
[07:33] <Kamilion> 4.8's supposed to be decemberish; but I'm not even seeing a roadmap page for it on their wiki yet
[07:35] <FManTropyx> hi
[07:38] <smb> Kamilion, Yeah, maybe still more in their email working format. Debian had been asked about 4.7, too but I have not seen any reply that sounded like they might be working on it. I got a ppa ready (ppa:smb/xen) but since we missed feature freeze its a bit of paperwork to still get it into release
[07:38] <Kamilion> yeah, I have no real reason to rush ahead right now for https://github.com/kamilion/kamikazi-core
[07:39] <Kamilion> waiting for the XSA 185-187 patches to show so I can rebuild the ISO again
[07:40] <smb>  another round of xsa's is also on my todo list... in that plenty of spare time we all have
[07:40] <Kamilion> yep. Just a wee bit more painful when rolling appliance images
[07:41] <Kamilion> so glad I spent the time automating it over the past 3 years
[07:41] <Kamilion> almost as painless as an apt-get upgrade now
[07:41] <Kamilion> not quite as nice as snappy
[07:43] <Kamilion> I *did* include it, as well as snapcraft, but it seems broken in liveisos since the whole system's running from a squashfs
[07:44] <Kamilion> and it really doesn't like TORAM=Yes
[07:45] <smb> I guess that side is something I luckily don't have to fight with. Only to keep all levels of old releases somehow still working and updated as well
[07:47] <Kamilion> yeah, i'll be using 16.04 as my base for a while; seeing the newer xens trickle down to 14.04 was a very nice feeling, and I hope it continues for 16.04
[07:49] <smb> I actually wanted to do upstream minor releases there, too. So maybe a 4.6.3+ ... but again stupid to do lists which get buried by "stuff"
[07:54] <ANTARES> https://vk.com/theshiva
[07:58] <jamespage> EmilienM, ironic fixed, tested and promoted to updates
[07:58] <jamespage> os-vif working its way through now
[08:48] <jamespage> rbasak: hey - I'm struggling to figure out the cause of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-cryptography/+bug/1620754
[08:49] <jamespage> I've reproduced, but I'm a little out of my depth understanding what might be the cause here - could -you take a look?
[09:02] <jamespage> rbasak: don't worry - pinged this back to doko as its something foundational in python, not python-cryptography
[11:13] <ANTARES>  https://vk.com/socialingenering VIDEO LINUX XUBUNTU PRE
[11:15] <Kamilion> httpz:\\tld.co
[11:15] <Kamilion> httpz:\\tld.co\socialengineering    dangit, stupid \ over the enter key
[11:16] <Kamilion> or feed the trolls further with http://lmgtfy.com/?q=social+engineering
[11:32] <jamespage> EmilienM, just promoted os-vif 1.2.1 to updates as well
[11:32] <jamespage> that should sort out your current issues
[11:46] <EmilienM> jamespage: thanks
[12:18] <FManTropyx> welp, after upgrading to 16.04.1, it seems that my Apache2 is not processing PHP
[12:26] <iamcurio_> any idea how i can get php error logs on a fresh install on unbuntu 16.4, error log currently showing ‘no value’ in my phpinfo
[12:26] <FManTropyx> "Invalid Mutex directory in argument file:${APACHE_LOCK_DIR}"
[12:32] <jamespage> EmilienM, ironic and os-vif where your two ubuntu issues right?
[12:32] <EmilienM> jamespage: yes
[12:32] <jamespage> EmilienM, good
[12:32] <EmilienM> jamespage: the modprobe thing also was not a blocker but still a problem
[12:32] <EmilienM> jamespage: have you seen it in the bug report?
[12:32] <EmilienM> it's not critical but it shows errors in neutron logs if you don't load the kernel module
[12:33] <EmilienM> I would suggest to automatically load it in packaging or something
[12:33] <jamespage> EmilienM, hmm
[12:34] <jamespage> that's not fixed by os-vif 1.2.1?
[12:40] <EmilienM> jamespage: I don't think so
[12:40] <EmilienM> jamespage: again, the kernel module stuff is not something I saw before because I wasn't reading all logs but yesterday by investigating the os vif error, I found it
[12:42] <FManTropyx> why did PHP stop working after upgrading to 16.04.1?
[12:43] <FManTropyx> I have originally set up this system from Digital Ocean LAMP image 14.04
[12:43] <Kamilion> m-m-m-m-m-magic. Also probably apt asking you if you wanted to restore the maintainer's version of a config file and you responding affirmative, or another task responding affirmative for you.
[12:44] <jamespage> EmilienM, so that's not a new issue?
[12:46] <Kamilion> FManTropyx: pretty commonly, /etc/nginx/nginx.conf or /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d/www.conf was restored to a default, but you indicate LAMP, not LNMP
[12:47] <Kamilion> depending on your apache2 configuration, if php's hosted out of process with fpm or in process can make a difference.
[12:48] <FManTropyx> hmm, I didn't expect things to break apart like this, but you make sense :)
[12:48] <Kamilion> i havn't touched apache in a while, but my bet is something /etc/ getting 'restored' to the maintainer's copy
[12:48] <FManTropyx> I ran the automatic dist upgrade and I do not recall it asking about Apache config
[12:48] <Kamilion> i see it a lot when people mess with /etc/nginx/nginx.conf instead of using /etc/nginx/conf.d/yourfilename.conf
[12:49] <Kamilion> and then apt restores /etc/nginx/nginx.conf and they're left in confusion
[12:49] <jamespage> EmilienM, is there a specific scope that module and those settings are required for?
[12:49] <jamespage> i.e. just linuxbridge-agent?
[12:49] <EmilienM> jamespage: yes
[12:49] <EmilienM> just lb
[12:49] <Kamilion> especally if you told ubuntu you want security updates automatically during installation, and the nginx package is marked as a security update.
[12:50] <Kamilion> there's a couple cases where your config can get overwritten without you ever seein a prompt in the name of security
[12:50] <Kamilion> g'luck trackin' it down.
[12:50] <FManTropyx> I wonder what the package for PHP7 Apache module is :P
[12:51] <Kamilion> I wouldn't be suprised if it was /etc/php5/apache2/ out of compatibility >.<
[12:51] <FManTropyx> ...
[12:51] <ogra_> apt-cache search apache php7 ?
[12:52] <FManTropyx> thanks! I'll try to fix this later
[12:52] <Kamilion> otherwise I'd expect it might have changed to /etc/php7/apache2/
[12:56] <Kamilion> ah sorry, just realized now I misread the question, it's nearing 6am, I should probably catch some sleep if I'm gonna.
[12:58] <FManTropyx> it was as simple as installing libapache2-mod-php7.0
[12:58] <FManTropyx> I has PHP again
[12:58] <Kamilion> mm, will keep that in mind; I've got a 14.04->16.04 to do that'll probably need the same treatment.
[12:59] <FManTropyx> I didn't think that it wouldn't be automatically installed, but maybe there was something in the Digital Ocean image
[13:00] <FManTropyx> thank you very much for the help!!
[13:00] <Kamilion> g'luck, enjoy your ubuntu
[13:00] <ogra_> you should take into account that php7 ihas language differences to php5 ...
[13:00] <ogra_> you might need to change your code to have it fully working
[13:01] <EmilienM> jamespage: our CI is green with ubuntu updates, thanks
[13:01] <Kamilion> that's the app developer's problem (in that client's case, Xenforo)
[13:01] <jamespage> EmilienM, yw
[13:13] <caribou> rbasak: Looking a the tomsfastmath MIR for clamav : I suppose that the server team will take responsability for it ?
[13:22] <jamespage> EmilienM, hey - I was looking for a precendent with regards loading of kernel modules in systemd ExecStartPre stanzas, found some so going to fix up that module load issue
[13:23] <EmilienM> jamespage++
[13:23] <EmilienM> thanks
[13:23] <jamespage> EmilienM, the return code of the modprobe will always be ignored - if the module is already loaded, we don't want the agent not to start!
[13:23] <ANTARES> WhatsApp & Viber +74957487265 REXANT ELECTRIC FROM RUSSIA
[13:23] <jamespage> also deals with funky trick deployments in lxd containers :-)
[13:24] <EmilienM> jamespage: excellent
[13:24] <jamespage> EmilienM, I'm a little blind on this change as we don't have linuxbridge in our ci
[13:25] <EmilienM> jamespage: no worries, we have the tests in place
[13:25] <jamespage> EmilienM, I'll do a preflight install check just to ensure that the agent will start and then I'll upload
[13:30] <jamespage> EmilienM,
[13:30] <jamespage>   Process: 27309 ExecStartPre=/sbin/modprobe br_netfilter (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
[13:30] <jamespage> lgtm uploading
[13:31] <EmilienM> jamespage: ack, thx again
[13:32] <jamespage> EmilienM, ok uploaded - it will take a while to work through to xenial/newton-updates
[13:32] <EmilienM> ack, excellent!
[13:50] <ogra_> ANTARES, can you stop the spamming ?
[13:50] <ogra_> it starts getting annoying
[13:50] <ANTARES> ok
[13:50] <ANTARES> Работа в МСК http://киберампер.рф/вакансии
[13:51] <EmilienM> ogra_: /IGNORE ANTARES and you're good :)
[13:51] <ogra_> EmilienM, nope
[13:51] <ogra_> that means the spamming goes on
[13:52] <EmilienM> there is no admi nhere?
[13:52] <ogra_> there are admins, but invoking them is a last resort ... in ubuntu channels we cound on common sense ...
[13:53] <ogra_> only if that doesnt help people get banned, kicked or whatever  :)
[14:02] <grauzikas> Hello,
[14:03] <grauzikas> i have a problem with ubuntu servers, i have an KVM dell 2161DS-2 and when i`m installing on a server ubuntu OS i cant see video
[14:03] <grauzikas> i think may be this is resolution problem or something like it
[14:03] <grauzikas> i can see KVM until grub (grub excluded)
[14:05] <grauzikas> with other OS like debian/centos everything works perfect, ubuntu wont show display
[14:05] <grauzikas> i can see only black screen (when there is no connection kvm window shows no signal)
[14:29] <samba35> i (think ) have setup a maas server on ubuntu server 16.04.01 it has maas version 2 , once i was able to login to web gui with http://ipaddress:5240/maas but after that i am getting No Such Resource
[14:29] <samba35> No such child resource. what  could be a issue ?
[14:29] <samba35> this is my 1st setup of maas server ,and trying to understand how it work ,and its features
[14:39] <coreycb> jamespage, beisner: these are ready to promote when you have a moment: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23154732/
[15:07] <samba35> how to i check all services on ubuntu 16.04.1 or any version
[15:07] <samba35> for ex if i want to start apache2 i will run systemctl restart apache2 but i wan to see all services
[15:09] <grauzikas> ls /etc/init.d
[15:09] <grauzikas> service --status-all
[15:10] <samba35> ok
[15:10] <samba35> thanks
[15:13] <samba35> is 16.04.x new services also start from this location or they are in some other location ?
[15:15] <grauzikas> you can use service for start, restart, stop, list status of all servers
[15:15] <grauzikas> because i am accustomed to old type i`m still using /etc/init.d
[15:16] <grauzikas> never had any issues :)
[15:25] <ANTARES> WANTED!!! https://pp.vk.me/c637725/v637725485/cf19/-Ix63wFLYWo.jpg
[15:26] <ogra_> !ops
[15:27] <phunyguy> ogra_: what's up?
[15:27] <ogra_> can you please kick and ban ANTARES, he is constantly spamming with unrelatted links, ads and whatsapp requests
[15:27] <ogra_> he has been warned
[15:28] <ogra_> this goes on since a week or so
[15:28] <ogra_> thanks a lot
[15:28] <phunyguy> THanks. ogra_
[15:40] <grendal_prime>  #qgis
[15:57] <samba35>  when i run systemctl list-dependencies some services are showing with red button /icon is that mean is that services not running  ? on ubuntu 16.04.1
[22:36] <beisner> hi coreycb - apologies for the delay.  checking those package promotions now.
[22:38] <inc0> hey guys, not sure if this is good place to reach Ubuntu Cloud Archive people, but neutron-lbaas-agent package isn't installing now
[22:38] <inc0> neutron-lbaas-agent : Depends: neutron-lbaas-common (= 2:9.0.0~b2-0ubuntu1~cloud0) but 2:9.0.0~b3-0ubuntu1~cloud0 is to be installed
[22:41] <sarnold> inc0: it looks like both those packages are generated from the same source package
[22:41] <inc0> yeah they are
[22:42] <sarnold> inc0: which I think means something fishy is going on; what does apt-cache policy say about both packages? does a re-run of apt-get update fix it? which cloud archive server are you using?
[22:43] <inc0> sarnold, it's fresh docker builds, on both local disk and openstack infra
[22:43] <inc0> http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/newton main
[22:44] <inc0> it seems somebody released b3 for lbaas-common but not lbaas-agent
[22:45] <sarnold> that's certainly what the directory listing at http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/neutron-lbaas/ suggests
[22:45] <sarnold> "something fishy" indeed :)
[22:45] <sarnold> inc0: I believe ubuntu-bug knows how to file bugs against the cloud archives; try "ubuntu-bug neutron-lbass-agent" or "ubuntu-bug neutron-lbass-common"; hopefully the first works but I don't think it makes much difference
[22:47] <inc0> I'll give guys couple more days, we're in the middle of release so little f-ups are expected, I was just wondering if any of them look here so I can provide quick feedback
[22:47] <sarnold> jamespage: inc0 reports neutron-lbaas-common vs neutron-lbaas-agent mismatch
[22:48] <sarnold> inc0: most days I'd say that's fine but it's already past many people's EOWs.. I don't know where jamespage is, but it might be past his EOW as well, in which case a bug would be way less likely to be overlooked than an irc message
[22:48] <inc0> yeah, just enjoy your weekend guys
[22:48] <inc0> that's just something we've seen in our gates
[22:48] <sarnold> you too, thanks
[22:54] <beisner> coreycb, icehouse-updates and liberty-updates promoted.  liberty-proposed was already complete.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23154732/
[22:56] <ddellav> sarnold looks like lbaas-agent was removed from the package contents because the v1 version was removed upstream
[22:57] <ddellav> the new package name is python-lbaasv2-agent
[22:57] <beisner> thanks ddellav
[22:58] <ddellav> i did the b3 update for that package so i feel a bit responsible ;)
[22:58] <ddellav> though it was jamespage that removed the v1 package previously
[22:59] <sarnold> ddellav: ah!
[22:59] <beisner> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102225.html
[22:59] <sarnold> ddellav: eww :)
[23:00] <sarnold> ddellav: so, the neutron-lbaasv2-agent paragraph in http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/newton/main/binary-amd64/Packages doesn't mention that it replaces or conflicts with the old neutron-lbaas-agent package in any way; I'm not sure that'd be enough for the tools to sort out how to do an apt-get dist-upgrade or not, but it'd be a start..
[23:04] <ddellav> sarnold it's probably appropriate to add a "replaces" block but I'm not quite sure. I've never replaced a binary package before. I'm sure jamespage or coreycb will know. Unfortunately I believe they are sprinting next week so it might take a bit to get to it
[23:05] <sarnold> ddellav: oh man, I know how exhausting that can be.. "do all your usual work, plus be more productive" :)
[23:05] <ddellav> indeed


[14:44] <lazyPower> http://askubuntu.com/questions/507521/juju-charm-relation-hooks-are-not-running/508158#508158
[16:40] <mbruzek> jose are you there?
[16:44] <mbruzek> jose https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/owncloud/+bug/1352484
[17:25] <khuss> i have a charm B that is subordinate of charm A.  Then I added a new unit of charm A. How do I add the subordinate B to this new unit
[17:30] <marcoceppi> khuss: it will happen automatically
[17:34] <khuss> marcoceppi: yes.... it did. Took a while but eventually it happened
[19:03] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower: i can't get on the standup, sry
[19:03] <lazyPower> tvansteenburgh: ack. Any udpates from abently on your tracking card?
[19:04] <tvansteenburgh> lazyPower, yes actually, will update the group once my POS isp gets back to normal
[19:04] <lazyPower> ack. ty


[05:02] <snadge> im trying to build a filesystem module outside of the kernel tree
[05:02] <snadge> and im a bit confused about how the linux kernel header includes work
[05:03] <snadge>  /usr/include/linux/fs.h doesn't contain a definition of blockdev_direct_IO
[05:03] <snadge> but the headers in /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-24 and -generic do
[05:04] <snadge> the documentation for building the fs module.. doesn't explain how to build them beyond doing this
[05:04] <snadge> make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/ M=`pwd`
[05:05] <ohsix> if you want to use it for a few kernel versions it'd probably be worth packaging, and to use dkms
[05:05] <snadge> oh its nowhere near close to doing that with
[05:05] <snadge> its actually the google summer of code hfsplus write with journalling support code
[05:06] <snadge> i was just going to play around with it in a loopback file.. and see if it corrupts data, or more likely.. how badly it corrupts data
[05:07] <snadge> if it works okay.. it would probably be worth putting onto a github and making dkms scripts for it etc.. but its not worth getting that excited about it just yet
[05:08] <snadge> my guess though.. since it was released on aug 15th last year, and i cant find much commentary on the subject.. its probably just crap and/or abandonware
[05:09] <snadge> but anyway.. i was just wondeirng how i would correctly include the definition for blockdeV_direct_IO
[05:10] <snadge> and why /usr/include/linux/fs.h differs from the kernel include linux/fs.h
[05:13] <ohsix> one has public symbols, the other has private (and public due to other includes) symbols, i think
[05:15] <snadge> ahh i see now.. its actually working
[05:15] <snadge> ie.. its getting the definition from the right kernel source
[05:15] <snadge> its just saying im passing too many parameters
[05:15] <snadge> this module was designed for kernel 3.0 and im building with 3.2
[05:19] <snadge> fixed that.. onto the next error
[06:00] <snadge> cool well it works ;)
[07:45] <dileks> http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=133687482321390&w=2
[08:00] <jeshwanth> how can i access the register in linux ?
[08:37] <dileks> hi
[08:54] <brncsk> sforshee: can i ask you a question about bug 606238?
[08:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606238 in linux "synaptic touchpad not recognized on dell latitude e6510 and others" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606238
[13:48] <Gup> hi, trying to solve networking/suspend issues since kernel update, details: http://pastebin.com/QExSc5Ce any ideas were to look next?
[13:54] <Gup> s/were/where/
[13:54] <dileks> you checked with a higher mainline-kernel?
[13:56] <Gup> no, wouldn't know which to try and how to install it
[13:56] <Gup> any good guides?
[13:58] <Gup> does the fact that it started in 11.10 and is also in 12.04 mean anything?
[13:58] <Gup> i don't know much about how the kernel versions lines or branches work
[13:59] <dileks> see topic (wiki)
[13:59] <dileks> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=M;O=D
[14:00] <Gup> so would i be best off testing on 11.10 or 12.04? or both? and do i just go for the highest version yeah?
[14:01] <dileks> dunno which toolchain prior version than precise have
[14:04] <Gup> toolchain?
[14:05] <Gup> can see i'm going to need to do a bit of research, checking out the guides on the wiki...
[14:05] <dileks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toolchain
[14:06] <dileks> if you built with different compiler and binutils against different C-lib
[14:13] <Gup> ok thanks
[14:13] <Gup> going to try with v3.4-rc7-precise
[14:13] <dileks> IIRC all kernels are built on lucid-host
[14:13] <dileks> +a
[14:13] <dileks> but dont ask me about details
[14:14] <dileks> I only know precise is 12.04 :-)
[14:14] <dileks> as this is the 1st ubuntu I have ever installed yet
[14:16] <dileks> Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS (Lucid Lynx)
[14:28] <Gup> well i'm booted up now using v3.3.6-precise so we will see if the problem persists, its done a couple of suspends no problem but only time will truly tell.
[14:28] <Gup> thanks for pointing me down this path
[14:29] <Gup> if it solves the issue do i still need to let someone know?
[14:30] <dileks> dunno with which ubuntu-release and kernel-version you saw the issue


[01:56] <RobertMass> Hello everyone. I have installed latest apache2, mysql and php on my computer. Then i installed phpmyadmin. when i run localhost/phpmyadmin, the source code displays. Does anyone know how to fix this issue? Thanks in advance.
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> You probably don't have Apache set to use the PHP interpreter for .php files
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> But that isn't a Kubuntu question, so you may have better luck in #ubuntu or #apache
[02:05] <RobertMass> it is working for all my other PHP files i made though.
[06:53] <soon> With fresh installation kubuntu 20.10 on Lenovo P52, I get a blank desktop -- no panel, no launcher, no dekstop icons/widgets. Everything seems to work though when launched with KRunner
[06:54] <soon> Should add that I have wide screen (3440x1440), but its the same issue when running of the laptop screen
[06:55] <Mekaneck> soon: 20.10 is EOL and thus not supported anymore
[06:55] <Mekaneck> support ended in July
[06:56] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/07/25/ubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-end-of-life-reached-on-july-22-2021/
[06:56] <guiverc> or https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-20-10-groovy-gorilla-reaches-end-of-life/ for kubuntu
[06:57] <soon> Sorry my bad -- its actually 21.04
[06:57] <soon> hirsuite hippo
[07:00] <guiverc> do you get the feeling that not all your desktop is being displayed on screen?  (I'm wondering if a `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` will help)
[07:01] <soon> guiver: yeah thats a little difficult to say, but probably yes
[07:01] <guiverc> this maybe helpful; see if it is what you're describing - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1333684/taskbar-and-menu-icons-missing-after-update-to-hirsute-hippo-21-4
[07:02] <soon> I'll look at the link - thx
[08:10] <soon> guiverc: you listed a link for me to check out regarding my missing panel/launcher ... can you post it again, please?
[08:11] <guiverc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1333684/taskbar-and-menu-icons-missing-after-update-to-hirsute-hippo-21-4
[08:11] <soon> thx !
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 🤗 (re @IrcsomeBot: <BluesKaj> Hi all)
 I installed kubuntu full. I was using ubuntu 20.04LTS. will there be any problem in updates or anything else? In future i mean.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> @DPRanjiida, 20.04 is quite stable atm afaik.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[13:44] <jabberwock> Is kbacup scriptable? It backs up as a tarball. I want to gzip afterwards
[13:44] <jabberwock> *KBackup
[13:45] <jabberwock> if not then there's no reason to use it as opposed to a cron/shell script
[13:48] <jabberwock> ubottu: How do updates work with LTS? It seems it's typically behind the non-LTS version (aside from security patches)
[14:00] <oerheks> What makes you think LTS updates are  typically behind?
[16:30] <jabberwock> oerheks: Several times needing an update that doesn't exist in LTS
[16:31] <jabberwock> I think the `rviz` package is broken. When I attempt to launch it, I get an error that it can't find libOgreOverlay.so.1.12.5. I have lib
[16:31] <jabberwock> oops. I have libogre-1.12-dev and libogre.1.12 installed
[16:46] <jabberwock> * installed rviz with --install-suggests --install-recommends
[19:15] <valorie> jabberwock: that is basically the definition of LTS - stable
[19:15] <valorie> and in general applications only have security updates
[19:16] <valorie> the "experimentation" is in the non-LTS versions
[19:16] <valorie> I always run the latest and in the past few years always have found it extemely stable
[19:16] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.22.4 on Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) powered by Linux 5.11.0-7620-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 2800-3531/3800 MHz, RAM: 31516/32058 MB, Storage: 329/1144 GB, 304 procs, 95.97h up
[19:18] <genii> nice uptime
[21:06] <gob_beldof> Good evening, I am using a HP ZBook with the latest Kubuntu. Recently (2-3 weeks) after doing some updates. All my function keys for (brightness, mic mute, speakers) have all god muddled up. When I try and change brightness it now mutes my microphone etc. Any idea what I should do to fix?
[21:37] <valorie> gob_beldof: sounds like some settings file got corrupted
[21:38] <valorie> You might check for some files in ~/.config
[21:38] <valorie> If you see something likely, you can open it and edit -- they are just text files
[21:39] <valorie> or even just rename so it can be recreated


[12:16] <Riddell> amu!
[12:19] <amu> moin Riddell
[12:24] <Riddell> amu: going to do us a CD with kde 3.5.1 and koffice 1.5 beta?
[12:25] <amu> yep
[12:26] <Riddell> great :)
[12:27] <amu> you reached elmo for my acc?
[12:28] <Riddell> amu: no, I sent the request but sysadmin is slow for these things
[12:28] <Riddell> amu: can you upload it to  ne of your servers and I'll copy it across?
[12:28] <Lathiat> Riddell: yeh
[12:29] <Lathiat> Riddell: aseigo also bought a load more
[12:29] <Riddell> Lathiat: he says he never found you
[12:29] <Lathiat> err
[12:29] <Lathiat> yes he did
[12:29] <amu> Riddell: ack, i'll write you a mail, where you'll find it
[12:29] <Lathiat> we had a good chat one night at unicol and it took him a bit to figure out who i was (and he other way around)
[12:30] <Riddell> Lathiat: ha, he must be loosing his mind
[12:31] <sebas> krootimage: Fatal IO error: client killed
[12:31] <sebas> This one seems to prevent my kdm from starting.
[12:33] <Lathiat> i said who i was, and we started chatting, and then i picked up my name badge at some point and he goes "OH LATHIAT!" i know who you are ;p didn't understand my accent or something :)
[12:33] <sebas> Is that krootimage thing a known problem?
[09:28] <Tonio_> hi folks
[09:32] <Riddell> morning Tonio_
[09:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: hello ;)
[09:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't be there for the TB.... crazy schedule this week
[09:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've spend a few hours working with a default kde config, and I think I have a few interesting ideas for the kubuntu-default-settings package
[09:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I send you a debdiff in a few days and a mail to comment the modifications ?
[09:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: like raising konqueror's minimum font size to something sane :)
[09:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[09:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, I have a way to set dpi to 100 in kdmrc :)
[09:39] <Tonio_> then cleaning fonts, modifying the menus, adding a .desktop for the konqueror's filemanagement profile
[09:39] <Tonio_> a few things like that ;)
[09:39] <Tonio_> ho, and I had a question riddell....
[09:40] <Tonio_> the "system" applet is set by default nearby the K button
[09:40] <Tonio_> it is very usefull but there is a problem using it
[09:40] <Tonio_> assume that with you open "home"
[09:41] <Tonio_> konq is launched with "system:/home"
[09:42] <Riddell> what's wrong with that?
[09:42] <Tonio_> it works fine, but all opened files are copied in tmp before beeing opened
[09:42] <Tonio_> try to open a big file, it take hudge time
[09:42] <Riddell> depends on what you open them with
[09:43] <Tonio_> hum, for examle videos with kaffeine or big ogg files with amarok or any other player
[09:43] <Tonio_> it depends if the application is able to manage system:/ urls ?
[09:45] <Riddell> hmm, yes
[09:45] <Riddell> but kaffeine has Exec=kaffeine %U  so it should be able to manage URLs
[09:47] <Riddell> I'll query that with ervin when he's around
[09:47] <Riddell> otherwise can't be too hard to change it back to $HOME
[09:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks ;)
[09:56] <amu> Riddell: iso uploaded ... needs some tests
[09:56] <Riddell> amu: URL?
[10:04] <Riddell> Mez: new akode is in
[10:04] <Riddell> Mez: should be backportable
[10:07] <freeflying> hi all
[10:07] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[10:07] <amu> Riddell: http://he.debian.net/kubunt+koffice.iso
[10:08] <freeflying> Riddell: if there has changes in debian/rules , shall I provide it as a patch
[10:19] <Riddell> freeflying: no
[10:19] <Riddell> freeflying: what are you changing?
[10:20] <freeflying> Riddell: some include file has been moved to another directions from upstream
[10:20] <Riddell> freeflying: in what?
[10:21] <Riddell> amu: copying to kubuntu.org, although I don't have any way to test it here
[10:21] <Riddell> anyone able to test amu's ISO?
[10:21] <Riddell> live cd
[10:21] <freeflying> Riddell: it's skim, the include file in libskim-dev has some changes
[10:21] <Lathiat> i can
[10:21] <Riddell> freeflying: ah, just edit debian/rules directly
[10:21] <Riddell> Lathiat: cool, see URL above
[10:22] <freeflying> Riddell: may new skim release been uploaded now
[10:23] <freeflying> amu: I'll have a test on your LiveCD
[10:23] <Riddell> freeflying: put it on revu, I'll need a changelog and I'll have to ask for an upstream version freeze exception
[10:24] <freeflying> Riddell: this release will fix this bug :https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/skim/+bug/29255
[10:26] <amu> thx i've no idea if it boots/works complete ... it was an automatic build ... 1000nds km away from the build server :)
[10:26] <Riddell> freeflying: great, fixing bugs helps for upstream version freeze exception :)
[10:27] <Lathiat> Riddell: hrm im getting 30K/s, can i wait till you have it to kubuntu.org?
[10:28] <Riddell> 40 mins to download
[10:28] <Lathiat> i have 5 hours left
[10:28] <Lathiat> so
[10:28] <Lathiat> :)
[10:28] <Lathiat> i'll wait for that
[10:29] <amu> no i've alo on my desk on a 10GB line ... where i can upload it?
[10:29] <amu> s/no/now
[10:30] <amu> MD5 (kubunt+koffice.iso) = eaf4299ff9f732389cc2846e9f74f1a1
[10:34] <freeflying> about 4hrs for downloading
[10:37] <freeflying> amu: may you upload to ftp.ubuntu.org.cn
[10:37] <amu> user: pass ?
[10:37] <amu> ftp | scp ?
[10:39] <freeflying> amu: anonymous ftp
[10:40] <amu> kubunt+koffice.iso                            100%  559MB   7.9MB/s   01:11
[10:45] <amu> freeflying: hmmm ETA 1D 4h
[10:45] <jsgotangco> 1D
[11:03] <freeflying> amu: will you give me more details about your livecd
[11:05] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1633
[11:06] <freeflying> Riddell: skim has been uploaded
[11:07] <Riddell> freeflying: you've tested that it works?
[11:08] <freeflying> Riddell: I'm testing it now . and I will feedback to you later this night
[11:36] <JRe> Riddell: I have tested koffice 1.5 beta1 and there is a problem with the krita package
[11:39] <Riddell> JRe: what's up?
[11:40] <JRe> Riddell: it's try to replace a file which is already in digikam package (on dapper)
[11:40] <Riddell> which file?
[11:42] <Riddell> hmm /usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-raw.desktop
[11:42] <JRe> Riddell: /usr/share/mimelnk/image/x-raw.desktop
[11:42] <JRe> :)
[12:04] <amu> re
[12:05] <Riddell> hi amu
[12:06] <amu> Riddell: new build with koffice looks fine .... uploading it now
[12:06] <Riddell> yay
[12:10] <Mez> hmm
[12:10] <Mez> someone was building katapult for gentoo :D
[12:11] <Riddell> was?
[12:11] <Tm_T> diu
[12:16] <pef> hello
[12:16] <Mez> lol @ http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?popcon=katapult
[12:16] <Mez> popcon stuff already ?
[12:18] <amu> kubuntu351+koffice15b1.iso                              0% 4336KB 185.1KB/s 1:02:59 ETA
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[02:02] <Tonio_> hello freeflying ;)
[02:02] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: skim works fine
[02:03] <Riddell> freeflying: excellent, I'll take a look
[02:03] <Riddell> freeflying: that bug is fixed?
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[02:27] <amu> Riddell: ftp://ftp.bay13.net/pub/kubuntu-devel/
[02:28] <amu> new version uploaded, this time with koffice and better download rates
[02:30] <freeflying> amu: hi
[02:32] <amu> ftp://ftp.bay13.net/pub/kubuntu-devel/kubuntu351+koffice15b1.iso
[02:33] <amu> pls announce it for an test *g*
[02:35] <sealne> amu: so that is different from http://he.debian.net/kubunt+koffice.iso ? bah just burned that
[02:36] <amu> yep, this time koffice 1.5b is really included :)
[02:36] <sealne> atleast its ftp this time so i don't need to go through the proxies :)
[04:25] <Riddell> sealne: were you able to download that new iso from amu?
[04:27] <sealne> still downloading its very slow
[04:29] <Riddell> I couldn't get dns on the host
[04:30] <Riddell> oh, there it goes
[04:30] <sealne> 2 hours in and only 80%
[04:31] <sebas> Hm, kword from the koffice beta doesn't start, it says:
[04:31] <sebas> koffice (lib kofficecore): WARNING: Library files for ".la" not found in paths.
[04:31] <sebas> Is that  a known bug, the  other apps don't expose that.
[04:32] <freeflying_> amu: would you mind give us the md5 of your iso
[04:33] <amu> 97d61bf1e83559ccdd91d5c5fefa8a4b  kubuntu351+koffice15b1.iso
[04:35] <freeflying_> it's seems I'd re-download it again
[04:41] <amu> freeflying_: hmm, the md5 matches at both hosts
[04:42] <amu> sebas: i've null problems, error messages, starting koffice/kword from the live
[04:43] <Riddell> I agree with md5sum
[04:43] <freeflying_> amu: both sites?  and what is the other site ?
[04:43] <sebas> amu: Good for you ;-)
[04:43] <sebas> Dunno what's wrong though.
[04:43] <Riddell> amu: null problems?  meaning none?
[04:44] <amu> freeflying_: from the buildenv to destination server, both matches
[04:44] <amu> Riddell: works perfect and very fast!
[04:44] <amu> running it from my vmware
[04:44] <freeflying_> amu: dose your livecd support chinese
[04:45] <amu> freeflying_: i found it out, it's better to build localized images, the boot 30% faster
[04:46] <amu> freeflying_: i offered you once a chinese version, my offer is still valid
[04:46] <freeflying_> amu: how can i build it ?
[04:48] <Riddell> amu: excellent :)
[04:50] <amu> i've customized the kubuntu-default-settings and put all logic in it. What i need from you is, your customized version, than i can build a deb, rebuild my locale mirror and run the build
[04:51] <Riddell> amu: I don't understand
[04:51] <freeflying_> amu: I've submit what I need from your website to you
[04:54] <amu> Riddell: thats a standart breezy with package updates from kubuntu.de backports + my own settings, i dont like the default settings
[04:55] <amu> Riddell: than i modified the settings in an extra package
[04:55] <amu> added it to my local pool, and run the build
[04:55] <amu> freeflying_: the webpage isnt ready .... i've too much work to do
[04:56] <amu> first i've to solve my payed work, if there's some free time, i can do the funstuff ;)
[04:58] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/cds/kubuntu351+koffice15b1.iso
[05:07] <amu> freeflying_: my private messages reach you ? sorry i use first time kopete for irc :)
[05:21] <Riddell> "Nicolas Velin (nsv) wants to join this team." ever heard of him?
[05:22] <jjesse> not me
[05:22] <Tm_T> nope
[05:22] <Tm_T> but invite him to come here, then we do hear about him ;)
[05:23] <Tm_T> glibc stuff keeps bugging me
[05:30] <jpatrick> Riddell: afternoon - small problem I've found: The requested URL /announcements/special-cds.php was not found on this server.
[05:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: humm, in new amarok package, gstreamer support removed?
[05:42] <Riddell> jpatrick: well spotted, fixed
[05:43] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes, gstreamer 0.8 is old and there's no 0.10 support yet
[05:43] <Tm_T> ok
[05:43] <Tm_T> oh well, "old" gstreaer is the one working best here
[05:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: is that .iso for x86, ppc or amd64?
[05:44] <Riddell> jpatrick: good question, i386 I assume
[05:44] <Tm_T> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08348a70 ***
[05:44] <Tm_T> again ;(
[05:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: where?
[05:45] <jpatrick> Tm_T: gstreamer was the only engine that works here
[05:45] <Tm_T> amarok, gst10 engine
[05:45] <Tm_T> jpatrick: looks like it's only one working here
[05:45] <jpatrick> xine crashes changing song and aRts is old
[05:47] <Tm_T> yup, only gst-0.8 works here now
[05:48] <jpatrick> do gst have cross-fading now?
[05:48] <Tm_T> hmm, I think no
[05:49] <Tm_T> I hope
[06:29] <jpatrick> err Riddell
[06:29] <jpatrick> Unpacking replacement superkaramba ...
[06:29] <jpatrick> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:29] <jpatrick>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdesdk-kio-plugins_4%3a3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[06:29] <jpatrick> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: where?  when?  how?
[06:30] <jpatrick> Updating to KDE 3.5.1
[06:31] <Riddell> jpatrick: breezy?  dapper?
[06:31] <jpatrick> Breezy
[06:32] <jpatrick> wait I think I got it working again
[06:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: you were asking about artwork needing doing?
[06:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: the website needs updating to the new logo
[06:37] <jpatrick> cool
[06:39] <Riddell> jpatrick: what did you do?
[06:39] <Riddell> jpatrick: and do you have the actual error?
[06:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: kicked "sudo apt-get install -f" into action
[06:40] <jpatrick> It was trying to overwrite something
[06:41] <jpatrick> but: "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" happened
[06:53] <jpatrick> hello Seth
[06:55] <seth> hiya jpatrick :)
[06:55] <seth> props Riddell for getting them to break UVF for konvi 0.19, it's rockin'
[07:00] <Riddell> requested package: kalzium simulations http://cniehaus.livejournal.com/14929.html
[07:01] <Riddell> cool :)
[07:03] <jpatrick> Isn't that SVN stuff?
[07:03] <seth> Riddell, shall I do speedcrunch 0.7beta1? (and how did they go from 0.6beta2 to 0.7beta1 with no 0.6 in between :)
[07:03] <Riddell> seth: no, new speedcrunch needs qt 4 and that's not going to be in main for dapper
[07:04] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, but he requeste we package it
[07:04] <seth> ah ha
[07:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: okay adding to TODO
[07:06] <seth> Riddell, and other question... any idea why every time I start KDE, kded crashes anywhere between 20 and 100 times? Is there a package with debug symbols I can grab to get some useful debug output?
[07:07] <Riddell> kdelibs4c2a-dbg
[07:08] <seth> thank you
[07:09] <seth> I wasn't sure what package debugging symbols for kded would live in
[07:10] <Riddell> seth: breezy or dapper?
[07:11] <seth> dapper
[07:11] <seth> up-to-date as of 10 minutes ago, but I still crash hardcore
[07:11] <seth> I'll file a bug now that I have debugging symbols
[07:22] <Riddell> jjesse: see that post on kubuntu-users from Malcom Hunter?
[07:25] <jjesse> Riddell: just read it
[07:25] <jjesse> will get it changed
[07:26] <Riddell> groovy
[07:32] <kkathman> man I havent heard "groovy" in a LONG time he he :)
[07:32] <jpatrick> Riddell: what's the syntax for SVN pkgs? name-verison+svn??
[07:33] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes
[07:33] <Riddell> foo-0.0+svn20060201
[07:33] <Riddell> can use snapshot instead of svn to be more generic
[07:33] <jpatrick> where can I find a snapshot?
[07:34] <Riddell> svn :)
[07:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: It needs Qt4
[07:37] <jpatrick> according to the page...
[07:39] <jpatrick> packaging anyhow
[07:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes
[07:40] <jpatrick> "libqt4-dev"
[08:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: Huzzah! http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1638
[08:18] <jpatrick> arg! No manpage for binary...
[08:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: you rock
[08:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: build deps are wrong, one sec
[08:20] <jpatrick> thank you :)
[08:21] <JRe> is X from dapper work right ?
[08:21] <JRe> (in short can i update?)
[08:21] <Riddell> JRe: works for me
[08:22] <Riddell> so kalzium-simulations uses kalzium from kde 3 but uses qt 4?
[08:22] <jpatrick> JRe: do you have a packager for Keep? :)
[08:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok, what I need to do then? just css + gimp work?
[08:23] <JRe> jpatrick: Tonios has been making package till now
[08:23] <jpatrick> JRe: ok
[08:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: new logo http://kubuntu.org/art/kubuntu-dapper.png
[08:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: actually you probably need the svg to fix the top right gear there
[08:24] <Tm_T> aye
[08:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: and just edit the website graphic to use the
[08:24] <Tm_T> ok
[08:24] <Riddell> Tm_T: I think the crystal style text should be kept, so just update the circle/gear part
[08:25] <Tm_T> jeh
[08:25] <Tm_T> a) fix svg b) replace old with new
[08:25] <Tm_T> else?
[08:25] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's what I was thinking of...
[08:26] <Riddell> Tm_T: fix png using svg, update kubuntu-crystal.{png,svg}, update logo on website
[08:26] <Riddell> the difficultly with the update logo on website bit is making the logo visible on a blue background
[08:26] <Riddell> since it doesn't have a border any more
[08:26] <Tm_T> hehe, how about small shadow?
[08:27] <Riddell> possibly
[08:27] <Riddell> or the effect used on ubuntu.com
[08:28] <Tm_T> ah, you mean "light up" in background
[08:28] <Tm_T> yes, can be done
[08:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: what was?
[08:29] <jpatrick> uses kalzium from kde 3 + qt 4
[08:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: so, I take http://kubuntu.org/art/kubuntu-crystal.svg, put fixed new gear to it, add some effects, ok?
[08:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes
[08:35] <Tm_T> aye aye sir
[08:36] <jpatrick> Riddell: uploaded new package
[08:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: and make it look good on the website
[08:38] <Tm_T> ..I'll try, no promises :p
[08:38] <Tm_T> I can do things, but when it also have to look good ;)
[08:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: it doesn't install anythng
[08:46] <jpatrick> I'm on it
[08:46] <jpatrick> waiting for pbuilder to finish updating
[09:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: dh_install is commented - could that be the problem?
[09:39] <sebas> Riddell: Could you send me a short summary of your FOSDEM talk?
[09:39] <sebas> I'd like to prepare the schedule.
[09:40] <jpatrick> I'm off cya
[10:34] <seth> Hi again Riddell, what package should I file a bug under if kded is crashing? Still kdelibs4c2a?


[07:14] <Belutz> anyone alive?
[07:14] <tashiro> yes
[07:19] <Belutz> how do i install netbeans or eclipse in breezy?
[07:21] <tashiro> Belutz: There are no netbeans packages until now. For eclipse there are package, but its a bit difficult to install
[07:21] <Belutz> so, what IDE should i use in breezy?
[07:21] <Belutz> i already download the netbeans .bin file
[07:21] <Belutz> and download eclipse from eclipse.org
[07:21] <Belutz> both of them doesn't work
[07:23] <tashiro> You can always downloading tarballs from the inet instead of the installation through packages
[07:23] <Belutz> tashiro, what IDE you're using?
[07:24] <tashiro> You can download ppc packages for eclipse from http://vern.chem.tu-berlin.de/~stephan/software/ubuntu/
[07:24] <tashiro> eclipse
[07:25] <Belutz> ok, i'll try that
[07:25] <Belutz> ppc ?
[07:25] <Belutz> power pc?
[07:26] <tashiro> There are also debian packages http://gnu.wildebeest.org/diary-man-di//index.php?p=26
[07:26] <tashiro> yes, powerpc, no i386 packages
[07:27] <tashiro> There are some missing package for eclipse due to the freeze of ubuntu at the moment
[07:27] <Belutz> so if i use i386, i should wait?
[07:29] <Belutz> actually i'm still new in java
[07:29] <Belutz> why eclipse is better than netbeans?
[07:30] <tashiro> Belutz: It is a matter of preferences. I prefer eclipse, because it uses native gtk widgets.
[07:31] <Belutz> i see
[07:31] <tashiro> Belutz: If you are really new to java, then you should go with vim/pico, java and javac. This is the real way to learn java.
[07:32] <Belutz> well i'm not really new, i just want to restart again
[07:36] <tashiro> Then you should download your prefered ide and install it manually. And download a jdk from sun and create a package with java-package.
[07:38] <Belutz> create a package?
[07:39] <tashiro> Google for java-package and make-jpkg :-)
[07:40] <Belutz> ok
[07:44] <tashiro> Otherwise the packages for eclipse need some more time to get ready. A package for Netbeans will not come in the near furture.