[04:19] <bimberi> Matthew_I: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[04:19] <zerboxx> How would I go about creating a "startscript"?
[04:19] <Matthew_I> bimberi, thanks
[04:19] <bimberi> Matthew_I: yw :)
[04:19] <epiloc> ok, everytime i try to add a printer, the printer manager just freezes... i have a feeling it is due to a buggy driver i installed a few days ago (originally in rpm converted to deb with alien)  so i uninstalled the drivers yet the printer manager still freezes upon opening
[04:19] <epiloc> any suggestions?
[04:20] <crimsun> zerboxx, write a script, then read the update-rc.d man page for instructions on hooking it into Ubuntu's startup procedure.
[04:20] <elmagozizou> Is there some command like fixmbr on linux?
[04:20] <aynjell> elmagozizou, no.
[04:20] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, running lilo or reinstalling the bootloader you mean?
[04:20] <aynjell> What boot loader does ubuntu use?
[04:20] <_mike> shouldn't there be an area in the control center to change the login screen theme?
[04:20] <crimsun> grub
[04:20] <_mike> grub aynjell
[04:20] <bimberi> aynjell: grub
[04:20] <crimsun> (by default)
[04:20] <aynjell> Kay.
[04:20] <aynjell> Then reinstall grub?
[04:20] <elmagozizou> yeah
[04:21] <funkyHat> aynjell, nForce 2 onboard 5.1, creative audigy LS
[04:21] <crimsun> if you choose and configure lvm in the installer, it uses lilo
[04:21] <elmagozizou> is because is frecuently that someone has grub problems or somethig
[04:21] <aynjell> funkyHat, okay. Big mistake getting the LS. :-P
[04:21] <ricosuave17> does ubnutu have gnustep support
[04:21] <aynjell> Those weren't supported for some time.
[04:21] <aynjell> Do they even have a hardware mixer?
[04:21] <Freedomzen> Can someone help me set up Wireless for an HP laptop?
[04:21] <funkyHat> i was given it :(
[04:22] <funkyHat> i have a feeling they don't
[04:22] <elmagozizou> and the only wey to fix MBR tht I know is fixmbr...but I want to know is there is somnthing like that in linux from a livecd or somethig...
[04:22] <crimsun> the LSes have hardware mixers, yes, though I'm not sure that's what you're asking (probably whether the dsp has multiopen)
[04:22] <_mike> how do i change the login screen theme?
[04:23] <_mike> anyon enkow?
[04:23] <tritium> _mike, gnome or kde?
[04:23] <abarbaccia> damn this transcode thing is killllling me!
[04:23] <funkyHat> _mike, system > administration > login screen setup
[04:23] <mebaran151> abarbaccia, how so?
[04:24] <mebaran151> I have you tried acidrip?
[04:24] <_mike> funkyhat kde?
[04:24] <abarbaccia> i added the debian marillot sources (testing - now called etch) and it still refuses to install -
[04:24] <abarbaccia> mebaran151, i need transcode for mythtv
[04:24] <hondje> abarbaccia: isn't it in backports?
[04:24] <elmagozizou> DAC1138, any options?
[04:24] <abarbaccia> hondje, not that i know of
[04:24] <hondje> Oh
[04:24] <mebaran151> abaraccia, you could just use mencoder
[04:24] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, reboot with the live cd and reinstall grub
[04:24] <mebaran151> I think it shoudl work, and it uses a cleaner codec
[04:24] <abarbaccia> no, i need transcode for mythtv - it calls transcode commands
[04:25] <mebaran151> oh
[04:25] <SaumZ> What file do I need to edit so I can set my pah variable system wide fo Java.
[04:25] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, or actually, reboot with the install cd
[04:25] <mebaran151> you want transcode just transcode nothing more nothing less
[04:25] <funkyHat> _mike, dunno then. you still use gdm?
[04:25] <mebaran151> just compile from src and checkinstall
[04:25] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, there should be a repair/reinstall the bootloader
[04:25] <abarbaccia> yea, its a pain - and in breezy apparently transcode works beautifully
[04:25] <hondje> you SURE it's not in hoary extras?
[04:25] <_mike> yea funkyhat
[04:25] <funkyHat> gksudo gdmsetup
[04:25] <ksmurf> DAC1138 sorry to be annoying.
[04:25] <elmagozizou> DAC1138, how do i do that from the live cd?
[04:25] <mebaran151> abarbaccia, it is always best to do that
[04:25] <abarbaccia> hondje, whats the source for hoary extras  i dont think i put thato n there
[04:25] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, do you have the install cd?
[04:25] <_mike> i've done it before they have themes but for some reason. i can't figure out how to change the login manager theme!
[04:26] <_mike> gahh
[04:26] <DAC1138> ksmurf, did you fix it?
[04:26] <ksmurf> DAC1138 Is there a way to associate icons with file types?
[04:26] <mebaran151> whenever I am going to use a processor intensive app, I always compile from source
[04:26] <funkyHat> or just sudo gdmsetup
[04:26] <SaumZ> What file do I need to edit so I can set my pah variable system wide fo Java.
[04:26] <elmagozizou> DAC1138, yeah
[04:26] <DAC1138> ksmurf, im not sure, i dont mess with my icon themes much
[04:26] <mebaran151> the processor optimizations can pay off
[04:26] <hondje> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:26] <ksmurf> Thanks
[04:26] <mebaran151> I doubt you use an i386
[04:26] <SaumZ> pah/path
[04:26] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, im not sure how you would reinstall grub, i only know lilo
[04:26] <_mike> thanks it funkyhat thanks
[04:27] <DAC1138> elmagozizou, but try the install cd
[04:27] <bimberi> elmagozizou: This is one way - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[04:27] <elmagozizou> DAC1138, but I all ready solve the problem with a windows rescue disk...but Im wondering just to not depend on windows...
[04:27] <ricosuave17> does someone here know about gnustep
[04:27] <elmagozizou> bimberi, thenx
[04:28] <bimberi> elmagozizou: yw :)
[04:28] <abarbaccia> hondje i want to fucking kiss you right now - i've been working on this for a week
[04:28] <abarbaccia> lol
[04:28] <hondje> :)
[04:28] <SPCCrow> !info lynx
[04:28] <mebaran151> ricosuave17, I have always wanted to know about GNUStep
[04:28] <SaumZ> What file do I need to edit so I can set my path variable system wide fo Java.
[04:28] <ubotu> lynx: (Text-mode WWW Browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.5-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1811 kB, Installed size: 4580 kB
[04:28] <mebaran151> it looks like an interesting piece of software
[04:29] <SPCCrow> can anyone give me a url to wget lynx from?
[04:29] <hondje> gnustep is in universe
[04:29] <hondje> there's even a gnustep meta package, so sudo apt-get install gnustep to get started
[04:29] <funkyHat> SPCCrow, why not use apt?
[04:29] <hondje> exit
[04:29] <ricosuave17> i have gnustep
[04:30] <ricosuave17> i just dont know were to find programs for gnustep
[04:30] <SPCCrow> funkyHat: not currently using ubuntu =)
[04:30] <Davey> abarbaccia: just curious, what was your problem?
[04:30] <Davey> SPCCrow: what are you using?
[04:30] <abarbaccia> Davey, dependency issues
[04:30] <Davey> abarbaccia: oh, heh
[04:30] <SPCCrow> Davey: Novell 9, and x server won't load properly, so i need text browser
[04:30] <SaumZ> What file do I need to edit so I can set my path variable system wide fo Java.  :(
[04:31] <Davey> SPCCrow: Novell Desktop 9?
[04:31] <SPCCrow> Davey: yeah
[04:31] <kyle__> saumz edit /etc/profile
[04:31] <Davey> try running "yast" it should let you install lynx/elinks/links
[04:31] <SPCCrow> Davey: in console?
[04:31] <Davey> SPCCrow: yeah
[04:31] <SaumZ> hmm.. it's close to empty
[04:31] <Davey> SPCCrow: yast2 is GUI
[04:32] <Davey> IIRC
[04:32] <kyle__> add the java/bin directory to the path
[04:32] <Davey> anyways, I'm off to bed
[04:32] <kyle__> in it
[04:32] <SaumZ> k
[04:32] <Guest_545> Hey, I'm about ready to quit for the night.
[04:32] <ricosuave17> can someone help me with gnustep
[04:32] <Guest_545> Basically, before I go---I was playing with the Ubuntu installer in expert mode.
[04:32] <Guest_545> And... it's not loading some of the basic drivers properly.
[04:32] <Guest_545> THAT'S why I think it doesn't work.
[04:33] <adwait> hey..my ubuntu install has suddenly become unstable......sometimes when i start schat or firefox, and i try to type something the apps just close down........when i start them from the terminal, the error message for firefox is segmentation fault
[04:33] <Guest_545> It's said it can't load the modules ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, and ide-floppy... For the Linux IDE, Linux IDE probe driver, Linux IDE detection, and Linux IDE floppy.
[04:34] <supernix> does it matter if you use kdm or gdm for the default display manager ?
[04:36] <adwait> supernix: gdm is the login manager if im not mistaken
[04:36] <Davey> gdm is Ubuntu, kdm is Kubuntu
[04:36] <hondje> is there a way to turn off dbl-clicking in gnome?
[04:36] <Davey> either will work :)
[04:36] <ricosuave17> whats the .deb tool in ubuntu
[04:36] <ksmurf> gdm is gnome kdm is KDE
[04:36] <funkyHat> ricosuave17, dpkg
[04:37] <ksmurf> 1 file... k done
[04:37] <supernix> Ok I was not sure so I thought I would ask it didn't sound like a detrimental decision since as I undestand it they are only a vehicle for logging into whichever windows mananger you like
[04:37] <Davey> hondje: System > Preferences > File Management > Behavior > Single Click to Activate Items (first radio button)
[04:37] <ricosuave17> what switch do i have to use with dpkg to install a .deb
[04:37] <Davey> -i
[04:38] <adwait> ricosuave17: sudo dpkg -i <filename>
[04:38] <tritium> ricosuave17, "man dpkg" is good to review
[04:38] <zerboxx> Is it possible to accept a webcam session with amsn?  From what I read I should be able to, but when my friend tries to set it up, it tells me amsn can't do it.
[04:38] <supernix> Ok guys I have to try this out hope all goes well
[04:38] <adwait> zerboxx: afaik........nope
[04:38] <zerboxx> adwait: ....damn
[04:39] <adwait> u could try gaim (actually a particulr offshoot of the gaim project) specifically made for multimedia uses
[04:39] <adwait> i cant remember its name though
[04:39] <hondje> Davey: thanks, I was looking in the wrong place
[04:39] <Davey> hondje: np :)
[04:40] <HawkMan> does Ubuntu 5.04 come with any tools for configuring the X server, runnign at 60 hz is annoying :) Can't seem to find any tools even in the synaptic. just the auto discover during setup.
[04:40] <_mike> crap! i installed a new login theme and it didn't work and brought me to a default screen
[04:40] <Kyral> xorgconf
[04:40] <tritium> adwait, gaim-vv, but he'd have to build a bunch of additional libraries.  (in short, a pain)
[04:40] <hondje> HawkMan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:40] <Kyral> from the command line
[04:40] <tritium> no, please don't use xorgconf
[04:41] <_mike> i'm supposed to login but my keyboard doesn't work there for some reason. im in a virtuall terminal now. is there a command line command i can use to change the login theme to default!!!!
[04:41] <_mike> i'm really stuck
[04:41] <Kyral> oh, yah, I forgot....I know what I'm doing (you know how many times I have run that utility since I started running Linux?)
[04:41] <zerboxx> tritium: You mentioned setting up gaim-vv is a pain, is there any other option if I want to view webcam through someone using M$ and msn?
[04:42] <adwait> can someone tell me how to set up a cron job to run an x app?
[04:42] <Proteque_> zerboxx: amsn
[04:42] <Davey> _mike: try deleting the theme and copying one you know works over it? :)
[04:42] <tritium> zerboxx, no, I don't think so.  However, gnomemeeting should work with MS Netmeeting.
[04:42] <Proteque_> zerboxx: the binaries from cvs
[04:42] <Davey> Proteque_: he just said it doesn't work
[04:42] <Proteque_> sorry
[04:42] <_mike> davey thanks ill try
[04:42] <adwait> Proteque_: how come?? i have amsn and it doesnt hv videa capabilities
[04:42] <adwait> *video
[04:43] <Proteque_> adwait: from cvs?
[04:43] <adwait> Proteque_: umm....i apt-get ot
[04:43] <adwait> *it
[04:43] <Proteque_> adwait: then you dont :)
[04:43] <zerboxx> Proteque_: What? binaries from cvs?
[04:43] <Proteque_> zerboxx: nightly builds
[04:43] <Proteque_> from cvs
[04:43] <Deep7> anyone got a deb of tuxnes?
[04:44] <zerboxx> Proteque_: So the nightly build of amsn has webcam support?
[04:44] <ilba7r> when i run evince i get this error message opening pdf file "Bad bounding box in Type 3 glyph" and the fonts are really messed up anyone know how to rectify that
[04:44] <Proteque_> zerboxx: yeah. visit the amsn-page
[04:44] <ricosuave17> man i have a problem wiht my font dpi
[04:44] <Kyral> hmm
[04:44] <tritium> ilba7r, is that error specific to a particular document?
[04:44] <ilba7r> tritium no
[04:44] <zerboxx> Proteque_: Is it safe to use in your opinion though?
[04:45] <_mike> if i installed a login theme: theme.tar.gz and its currupted and wont let me login. by deleting theme.tar.gz fix anything?
[04:45] <Kyral> I hope my "homebrew" XChat package won't bork up when I upgrade to breezy..
[04:45] <_mike> i really need to change the login theme back to default with the command line
[04:45] <Proteque_> zerboxx: well :P it may crash a bit.
[04:45] <deang> Can someone direct me where to get more than 60hz (at 1024x768) out of my Gforce4MX card?  I've installed the NVIDIA packages through Synaptics.
[04:45] <zerboxx> Proteque_: Hmmm a risk, I just might have to take :) thanks for the info
[04:46] <Kyral> shouldn't...I made it it with the Breezy Sources and it uses the breezy version number
[04:46] <MrGardenHoseMan> deang: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:46] <MrGardenHoseMan> you have to know horizontal and vertical frequencies of your monitor
[04:47] <deang> 3 hours at one beer.. that is work!
[04:48] <Sponge_> Ubuntu... ubuntu.. tralalala!
[04:49] <concept10> :0
[04:49] <Sponge_> Ubuntu talked to me !!!
[04:49] <Sponge_> :)
[04:49] <ernie> HI Sponge
[04:50] <Sponge_> hi there...
[04:51] <Sponge_> thanx concept10 T-T
[04:51] <ricosuave17> how do i get the newest alsa drivers
[04:51] <Sponge_> I just wanted to share my happiness... but no one understand me....
[04:51] <jeran> What is wrong with backports?
[04:51] <Sponge_> T-T
[04:51] <Sponge_> jeran: nothing. Backports.apt worked quite nice on my ubuntu :)
[04:52] <DAC1138> Sponge_, we understand all too well
[04:52] <DAC1138> Sponge_, ubuntu is awsome
[04:52] <ajmitch> Sponge_: nah, I don't really understand such a reaction :)
[04:52] <tritium> jeran, backports are unofficial
[04:52] <DAC1138> Sponge_, but i was able to hold in my hapiness and keep from dancing
[04:52] <Sponge_> DAC1198: But I've got a party here!
[04:52] <Sponge_> :P
[04:53] <hondje> backports are official now
[04:53] <Kyral> w00t!
[04:53] <Sponge_> hondje: What did you say? the backports are official? when??? where???
[04:53] <Kyral> Backports RULE!
[04:53] <ricosuave17> someone how do i get the newest alsa
[04:53] <frank_> how official?
[04:53] <tritium> To quote the RestrictedFormats wiki page "The hoary-extras repository is an unoffical community project. The packages in this repository are not supported by Canonical Ltd. or Ubuntu!!!"
[04:53] <Kyral> Official OFFICAL
[04:54] <hondje> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48583
[04:54] <hondje> tritium: it changed a month ago or so
[04:54] <robertj> Amazing. I didn't know there was an official supported hoary-extras branch1
[04:54] <ricosuave17> ?? anyone plz
[04:54] <Sponge_> Wow...
[04:54] <deang> I have an NVidia card (Gforce4mx), and in configuring xserver-xorg I have the opportunity to chose an "nvidia" driver or "nv" (The "nv" was the selected default..   )  guidance, please.
[04:55] <ajmitch> hondje: only a month? I thought it was longer than that
[04:55] <frank_> deang: for 3d acceleration: nvidia
[04:55] <ice_1963> Debian Sarge Rock's :0)
[04:55] <arguhoh> hey...got a questions for anyone - why is ubuntu not able to get past "An installation step has failed... The failing step is: Load installer components from CD." just after selecting the three "English" options, but I can install gentoo and debian without problems?
[04:55] <hondje> ajmitch: might be, but it was awhile back either way :)
[04:55] <jeran> which repositories should I be using?
[04:55] <funkyHat> deang, nvidia, but you will need to install nvidia-glx (available in multiverse i believe)
[04:55] <zerboxx> Anyhelp with a wine problem.  I've followed a set of instruction for installing Warcraft 3, but I need to create a startscript, and I have no idea what I'm to do
[04:55] <ricosuave17> hello help plz
[04:56] <ricosuave17> help plz
[04:56] <robertj> arguahoh: is the cd a good burn?
[04:56] <Sponge_> zerboxx: Are you using Wine or WineX?
[04:56] <zerboxx> Sponge_: Wine, as you have to pay for WineX, correct?
[04:56] <DAC1138> you can cet winex (cedega) from cvs for free
[04:56] <Sponge_> Zerboxx: You're right. However, Wine's DirectX Support still sucks.
[04:57] <Sponge_> and cedega is another option.
[04:57] <ricosuave17> anyone plz
[04:57] <DAC1138> zerboxx, its the prebuilt winex packages you have to pay for
[04:57] <ricosuave17> comeone
[04:57] <_mike> oh man that was scary i fixed it. login theme was currupted and crashed wouldn't let me in. but i booted to a terminal logged in as root then ran startx and changed back to defautl
[04:57] <Sponge_> zerboxx: Get VMWare Workstation and install windows on it... then you can have war3 on win32 on linux...
[04:57] <DAC1138> Sponge_, cedega == winex
[04:57] <_mike> scared me for a second though i was screwed
[04:57] <Sponge_> (quite cool!)
[04:57] <Sponge_> DAC118... Damned lag...
[04:58] <zerboxx> Sponge_: Does that means I have to install windows?!
[04:58] <Kyral>  NO NO NO NO!
[04:58] <DAC1138> zerboxx, go to transgaming.org and get the cvs winex for free
[04:58] <Sponge_> zerboxx: In a virtual machine...
[04:58] <ricosuave17> yes install windows
[04:58] <funkyHat> zerboxx, yes, it would mean that
[04:58] <Kyral> or pay 15 bucks for Cedega "Pro"
[04:58] <Sponge_> Kyral: Wait... I love playing with virtual machines... FreeBSD and Win32 are coexisting pacifically on my ubuntu (and gaming rocks!)
[04:59] <desrt> cedega is evil
[04:59] <desrt> i wish it would go away already
[04:59] <tritium> hondje, I guess that means they've fixed backports so they don't make upgrading to new releases difficult?
[04:59] <Kyral> I <3 Cedega
[04:59] <DAC1138> desrt, so anything that improves upon something already open soruce is evil?
[04:59] <desrt> i <3 free software
[04:59] <funkyHat> night all
[04:59] <desrt> DAC1138; wine is now GPL for a reason.
[04:59] <aynjell> And uh, yes, cedega threatens linux.
[04:59] <Kyral> umm
[04:59] <ricosuave17> check plz
[05:00] <DAC1138> have i been devoiced!!!??? CEDEGA IS FREE VIA CVS!!
[05:00] <Kyral> Cedega helps Linux...
[05:00] <aynjell> DAC1138, either way, it has already nixed one port.
[05:00] <DAC1138> transgaming.org has all the instructions to get and configure winex through cvs
[05:00] <aynjell> That's all I need to hear.
[05:00] <DAC1138> Sponge_, i loved them at one time, then it took 27 hours to install xp on this machine. and i gave up
[05:00] <desrt> DAC1138; and yet they threaten distros, warning them not to package their software
[05:00] <desrt> DAC1138; sounds quite open....
[05:01] <aynjell> desrt, exactly.
[05:01] <Sponge_> DAC1138: Ur kiddin'? no way!
[05:01] <DAC1138> desrt, it does. more so than M$
[05:01] <aynjell> DAC1138, that means nothing.
[05:01] <desrt> "better than microsoft" isn't a great argument :)
[05:01] <DAC1138> Sponge_, yeah, i gave up installing it. that progress bar was crawling
[05:01] <aynjell> SCO supports us more than microsoft.
[05:01] <aynjell> BUt sco is a badguy nonetheless.
[05:01] <Sponge_> anyway I just installed a tweaked version of m$win98... just for gaming.
[05:01] <DAC1138> Sponge_, when it said "15 minutes remaining ir really meant "15 hours remaining"
[05:01] <jeran> should I leave the respositories that came 'on' with Ubuntu like it is, or is it safe to get other things?
[05:01] <ricosuave17> whats the name of the graphical apt-get tool
[05:01] <desrt> jeran; some other things are safe
[05:02] <tritium> ricosuave17, synaptic
[05:02] <desrt> jeran; some are more likely to destablise your box
[05:02] <Sponge_> DAC1138: hahaha... I haven't tryed the winxp installation yet. Just win98.
[05:02] <rommer> can serving web pages be parallelized?
[05:02] <desrt> jeran; certainly, adding universe and multiverse is fine (and recommended)
[05:02] <desrt> rommer; already is
[05:02] <Rubin_> jeran: i have almost everything on ubuntuguide.org installed and no probelms yet :)
[05:02] <jeran> I'm fresh from Windows XP, but i have some linux knowledge.. atleast I like to pretend I do, heh
[05:02] <DAC1138> Sponge_, xp installed fine, in about 30 minutes on another laptop thats about half as fast as this one
[05:02] <desrt> rommer; if you fire up apache it starts 6 or so processes... if the webserver gets a lot of hits it starts even more
[05:02] <DAC1138> Sponge_, this is a 2.2 ghz with 768 mb ram, that thing is a 1.1 ghz with 512, i have no idea what happened to make it so slow
[05:03] <daniels> the cedega discussion is off-topic here
[05:03] <fr500> hello
[05:03] <desrt> daniels; i was waiting for someone to call that :)
[05:03] <rommer> desrt: so if you had more than one computer acting as the web serving it will be able to process faster?
[05:03] <Sponge_> DAC1138: Whoa... My desk is a 1.8 ghz / 768 mb ram... and It really works!
[05:03] <desrt> rommer; oh.  that's load distributions
[05:03] <desrt> rommer; there's several ways to do that... the easiest to round-robin DNS
[05:03] <aynjell> 2.5Ghz here.
[05:04] <aynjell> Well, 2.4.2 right now.
[05:04] <aynjell> I gotta raise voltage and fsb to get it to 2.52 stable.
[05:04] <aynjell> :)
[05:04] <fr500> i have a question, i found somewhere 10 ide 200gb disks, i know i can use evms to make a raid array or something with them, but (sorry for being off topic) is there a way to add more than 4 ide devices on a signle pc?
[05:04] <rommer> desrt: does that mean every computer has a mirror of the files on the server?
[05:04] <fr500> **single
[05:04] <DAC1138> daniels, just curious, why is cedega (software) off topic, but gentoo (a completely separate distro) isnt?
[05:04] <desrt> rommer; basically
[05:04] <tritium> .
[05:04] <aynjell> fr500, get another ide card.
[05:04] <desrt> rommer; you setup a couple of machines with exactly the same document root
[05:04] <Sponge_> fr500: Get a PCI-IDE controller and problem solved!
[05:04] <aynjell> You'll need another controller is all.
[05:04] <desrt> rommer; then you setup DNS with multiple A records
[05:04] <desrt> rommer; like:
[05:04] <daniels> DAC1138: off-topic things are fine, as long as they don't spawn huge discussions that fill up two screens or more
[05:04] <desrt> www     A    <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:04] <desrt> www     A    <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:04] <daniels> DAC1138: i.e., in passing
[05:05] <aynjell> PCI cards should only support another 4, though, right?
[05:05] <fr500> Sponge_, the limit is the number of pci slots available then?
[05:05] <DAC1138> daniels, ah, i see the difference now
[05:05] <daniels> DAC1138: (if there was a Gentoo discussion, I missed it while I was getting lunch)
[05:05] <desrt> and then randomly, when people go to www.yoursite.com they'll go to one machine or the other
[05:05] <Sponge_> fr500: Right.
[05:05] <rommer> yep
[05:05] <fr500> aynjell, thanks, Sponge_ thanks
[05:05] <desrt> rommer; there are a lot more advanced methods too that might work out better for you
[05:05] <aynjell> Sure.
[05:05] <Sponge_> U'r welcomed.
[05:05] <DAC1138> daniels, i thought this was just some nazi regime, lol. i see the point though
[05:05] <rommer> how would that work with reading and writing to mysql databases
[05:05] <elmagozizou> Does Anyone knows About documentation about the uses of a livecd? I mean for personal use, recovery etc...
[05:05] <tritium> DAC1138, that gentoo discussion went on for long enough that I asked that there not be a distro war
[05:05] <desrt> rommer; as long as you use a single database and the webservers themselves are stateless, you're fine
[05:05] <deang> thanks MrGardenHoseMan and funkyHat!!
[05:06] <Sponge_> fr500: Anyway, get a SCSI RAID card.... it's 10 times better!
[05:06] <desrt> rommer; things like phpbb, for example, are fine
[05:06] <fr500> Sponge_, but the disks are ide
[05:06] <rommer> desrt: so all the htdocs and mysql database are on one machine, but the others link to it?
[05:06] <Sponge_> talking about hdd's... is possible to install "humanity to others" (or whatever it means) to a SCSI drive?
[05:07] <desrt> rommer; you can make multiple copies of static content and scripts
[05:07] <desrt> rommer; but you need a single database
[05:07] <rommer> ok
[05:07] <desrt> rommer; or multiple database servers with replication
[05:07] <DAC1138> Sponge_, i think so, dont macs use scsi?
[05:07] <fr500> Sponge_, an unrequested shipment came to my office, it was more expensive to return them, so we bought them ($50 each)
[05:07] <rommer> desrt: thanks, i think i get it now
[05:07] <deang> you guys rock!  I'm at 75hz!!  :D :D :D
[05:08] <Kyral> Yes, we do rock
[05:08] <dam_> im trying to follow instructions HERE - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AmericasArmy
[05:08] <dam_> i cant run - sudo ./armyops230-linux.run
[05:08] <Sponge_> DAC1138: But... ubuntu didn't like my scsi.... I mean, when I tried to install it, a message appeared saying "No ide discs were found"... and I said "HELL!"
 Get an old PC and build your very customized storage server!
[05:09] <DAC1138> eh, im trying to build a storage server, having a hard time building it
[05:09] <pdg> howdy, does anyone have a link to some ATI OpenGL howto?
[05:10] <Sponge_> buuuu T-T
[05:10] <dam_> ok, cheers
[05:10] <desrt> pdg; what sort of card do you have?
[05:10] <DAC1138> got an old compaq running mandrake 10 on it, samba isnt working in ubuntu
[05:10] <jmspeex> Aren't all debian packages supposed to also be available for Ubuntu?
[05:10] <pdg> desrt: Radeon 9700
[05:10] <desrt> pdg; you'll need fglrx, then
[05:10] <jmspeex> Is so, where can I get them?
[05:10] <desrt> pdg; apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:10] <pdg> I have it
[05:10] <tritium> pdg, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:11] <ernie> how do i install a network printer using tcp protocol?
[05:11] <pdg> tritium: I'm trying to stay within Ubuntu software
[05:11] <desrt> pdg; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?highlight=%28fglrx%29
[05:11] <tritium> pdg, yep, follow that link then
[05:11] <goodtod> hi i'm having trouble booting the livecd on my laptop when i boot it up the ubuntu logo is all scrambled and then the screen goes blank does anybody have any ideas?
[05:11] <desrt> pdg; this document is a little bit out of date, though
[05:11] <desrt> pdg; you have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your video driver to "fglrx"
[05:11] <SogniX> I have a little fstab issue... I can mount drives fine - but it mounts them as root, so regular user can't write to / delete from them. How can I made fstab mount drives as a certain user (or only allow certain people)?
[05:12] <rommer> desrt: can i make a mirror of static files using rsync?
[05:12] <pdg> desrt: it's already fglrx
[05:12] <desrt> rommer; yes.  rsync is a good solution for that
[05:12] <desrt> pdg; you should be set, then.
[05:12] <rommer> ok thanks
[05:12] <pdg> that's what I thought, but fgl_gears doesn't start
[05:12] <desrt> pdg; glxinfo | grep irect
[05:13] <pdg> direct rendering: No
[05:13] <pdg> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[05:13] <desrt> :)
[05:13] <desrt> i mean :(
[05:13] <pdg> yup
[05:13] <desrt> lsmod | grep fglrx
[05:13] <pdg> I ran fglrxconfig too
[05:13] <pdg> fglrx                 237088  0
[05:13] <tarvid> how do i burn an iso with ubuntu? cd/dvd careator doesn't appear to have that option?
[05:13] <desrt> >:|
[05:13] <desrt> weird.
[05:13] <pdg> I know
[05:13] <pdg> it's so weird
[05:13] <desrt> pdg; i assume you restarted X...
[05:14] <Sponge_> tarvid: Get gnomebaker! :P
[05:14] <stephans> hey hey!!!
[05:14] <desrt> pdg; take a look through your X server log... /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:14] <fr500> Sponge_, that is what i'm doing :p
[05:14] <stephans> say again....
[05:14] <pdg> desrt: I was having some other kind of troubles with a NVidia, so I changed the video card, and now there's something else
[05:14] <desrt> pdg; search for things like "fglrx" and "direct"
[05:14] <pdg> ok hold on
[05:14] <desrt> pdg; might give some hints
[05:14] <stephans> how do we configure 3D acceleration in ubuntu?
[05:14] <fr500> stephans, what card?
[05:14] <stephans> ati
[05:14] <fr500> hmmm
[05:14] <stephans> flglrx
[05:14] <bimberi> tarvid: right-clicking on the file in nautilus should give a "write to disc" option or something
[05:15] <tritium> stephans, , http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:15] <desrt> stephans; hah.  pdg is trying to do exactly that as we speak.
[05:15] <pdg> :)
[05:15] <tarvid> Sponge_, thanks - I'll get used to gnome one of these days
[05:15] <pdg> howdy stephans
[05:15] <Sponge_> I'm leaving... I'm hungry and my stomach is empty. I have a lot of japanese animation which is wating to be watched, so... bye bye...
[05:15] <frank_> pdg 3d doesn't work?
[05:15] <stephans> lucky me!
[05:15] <stephans> checking the url...
[05:15] <Sponge_> tarvid: anyway, If you have patience, you might get "kubuntu-desktop"... (all the kde stuff)
[05:15] <pdg> frank_: I moved the NVidia to a windows PC, and it works fine, so it's not a hardware problem (at least not with the card)
[05:16] <pdg> frank_: now I'm trying an ATI
[05:16] <xuniluser> HELP: I can't install anjunta on my ubuntu 5.0.4, with these error during configure "configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool"
[05:16] <pdg> frank_, desrt: AHA!
[05:16] <pdg> (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[05:16] <frank_> pdg: really? wow I have a FX 5900XT which is almost the same as yours and have had no problems
[05:16] <Sponge_> xuniluser: Have you tried apt-get install anjuta
[05:17] <hondje> isn't an fx5900 a nvidia card?
[05:17] <pdg> frank_: I'm afraid it's a motherboard problem
[05:17] <xuniluser> Sponge: yes but it says "Can't find package anjunta"
[05:17] <Sponge_> xuniluser: What about your repositories? Have you set them right?
[05:18] <frank_> hondje: earlier today, he was trying with a 5900
[05:18] <Knowledge_> I love it when everything goes good after a fresh install
[05:18] <ricosuave17> SEX
[05:18] <tritium> pdg, can you "modinfo fglrx" please?
[05:18] <tarvid> bimberi, looks like that worked, i feared i would make a cd with the iso as a file
[05:18] <tritium> ricosuave17, cut it out
[05:18] <hondje> ah
[05:18] <ricosuave17> well then help me with my new alsa drivers
[05:18] <xuniluser> Sponge: how? (sorry for this lame question)
[05:18] <tarvid> is there a good site to search for packages?
[05:18] <Sponge_> xuniluser: I'm a rookie to, so don't worry...
[05:18] <tritium> ricosuave17, please ask nicely
[05:19] <bimberi> tarvid: synaptic provides an interface for the repositories that you have enabled.  Otherwise there's http://packages.ubuntu.com
[05:19] <ricosuave17> ok. can someone plz tell me how can i get the newwst alsa
[05:19] <Jin> anyone know where i can get drivers so that ubuntu will work properly on a dell machine with the Intel 82865 chipset?
[05:19] <rommer> desrt: if i setup a dns round robin will sessions (like in php) still work?
[05:19] <desrt> rommer; depends on if they store server-side state
[05:19] <desrt> rommer; if it's all cookies, you're fine
[05:19] <desrt> rommer; if there's a statefile on the server, you're not fine
[05:20] <tarvid> bimberi, i was poking at synaptic but i didn't find gnomebaker for example
[05:20] <rommer> yea thats what i thought
[05:20] <desrt> rommer; another thing you could do is make the main page redirect you to www1. www2. www3. etc
[05:20] <pdg> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko
[05:20] <pdg> author:         Fire GL - ATI Research GmbH, Germany
[05:20] <pdg> description:    ATI Fire GL
[05:20] <pdg> license:        Proprietary. (C) 2002 - ATI Technologies, Starnberg, GERMANY
[05:20] <pdg> vermagic:       2.6.10-5-686 preempt 686 gcc-3.3
[05:20] <tarvid> the other day i was looking for kernel options (himem) and it seemed to be a struggle
[05:20] <pdg> tritium: (sorry about the flood)
[05:20] <desrt> pdg; paste not, lest ye be pasted.
[05:21] <pdg> sorreh :P
[05:21] <rommer> desrt: i dont understand that last bit
[05:21] <tritium> pdg, it's okay
[05:21] <tritium> We've had much longer pastes
[05:21] <pdg> :)
[05:21] <frank_> FireGL isn't that a pro card?
[05:21] <ricosuave17> can anyone plz help me?
[05:22] <tritium> ricosuave17, you want to build newer alsa modules?
[05:22] <gijosh> Hey.  How do you add a launcher to the applications menu?
[05:22] <ricosuave17> i just want to have the newest alsa but it seems there is no package
[05:22] <pdg> frank_: FireGL is about 1.5 years old now, I think
[05:22] <bimberi> tarvid: you probably need to add extra repositories then
[05:23] <tritium> ricosuave17, right, hoary already released, so there are only security fixes
[05:23] <ricosuave17> ok so what to do?
[05:23] <tritium> do you need them, or just want them?
[05:23] <ajmitch> ricosuave17: why do you want a newer alsa driver?
[05:26] <ricosuave17> because i need to use multiple sounds
[05:26] <pdg> desrt: do you have any clue what that conflicting module could be?
[05:26] <MrGardenHoseMan> what's the pacakage name for flash?
[05:27] <Hikaru79> Can someone explain to me how to chroot a user into a subdirectory of their home directory on vsftpd?
[05:27] <desrt> pdg; hm?
[05:27] <desrt> pdg; i stopped paying attention, sorry :)
[05:27] <pdg> oh, it's ok
[05:27] <desrt> pdg; the module looked like it was loaded fine, though
[05:27] <desrt> pdg; maybe it's an AGP thing?
[05:27] <desrt> pdg; like it expects to use the system AGPgart and it's not loaded
[05:27] <desrt> or it wants to use its own and the system one is loaded
[05:27] <pdg> yeah, but it said there's an incompatible module, hence no 3D acceleration
[05:27] <pdg> uhmm
[05:27] <desrt> oh
[05:28] <desrt> X server module, maybe
[05:28] <desrt> did you enable composite?
[05:28] <Xyc0> Is Cedega released in Deb packages now?
[05:28] <pdg> I don't remember that
[05:28] <desrt> pdg; look for an "Extensions" section in your X config
[05:28] <desrt> or "Modules" lines
[05:28] <desrt> like Load   "dbe"
[05:28] <desrt> stuff like that
[05:29] <pdg> ok
[05:29] <desrt> it's probably one of those t hat's breaking your 3d accel
[05:29] <ricosuave17> so can someone give me an idea
[05:29] <desrt> did it mention one specifically?
[05:29] <pdg> no composite, or anything similar
[05:29] <pdg> desrt: ?
[05:29] <desrt> pdg; the line that said a module was incompatible... did it say which module?
[05:30] <nalioth> hah
[05:30] <nalioth> am back
[05:30] <desrt> maybe even a little bit above or below the error
[05:30] <pdg> desrt: (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[05:30] <pdg> (II) fglrx(0): [drm]  removed 1 reserved context for kernel
[05:31] <pdg> drm?
[05:31] <pdg> there's no drm in the xorg.conf
[05:31] <desrt> pdg; weird!
[05:31] <desrt> pdg; so it is a kernel module then
[05:31] <desrt> pdg; do you have 'agpgart' module loaded?
[05:31] <desrt> lsmod | grep agpgart
[05:32] <pdg> desrt: yeah
[05:32] <ricosuave17> plz can someone help me get the newest alsa version
[05:32] <desrt> what is its usecount?
[05:32] <pdg> agpgart                33608  1 intel_agp
[05:32] <desrt> ok
[05:32] <desrt> there should be some AGP line in your X config
[05:32] <desrt> what does it say?
[05:32] <desrt> like "UseInternalAGPGart" "on" or something like that
[05:32] <NoHope> hello all
[05:33] <pdg> desrt:     Option "UseInternalAGPGART"         "no"
[05:33] <NoHope> hey, isn't  there [apt-get install php] ?
[05:33] <desrt> pdg; well.. there goes that theory :)
[05:33] <pdg> :)
[05:33] <tritium> NoHope, "apt-cache search php"
[05:33] <NoHope> tritium, thx, I'll try.
[05:33] <desrt> pdg; just on a last-ditch effort, you could try changing that to "yes" and unload intel_agp and agpgart modules
[05:34] <pdg> I can try...
[05:34] <pdg> so change that, unload/load, and restart xorg?
[05:34] <desrt> change it, unload
[05:34] <desrt> don't reload the modules
[05:34] <socomm> NoHope: Trying using synaptic.
[05:35] <NoHope> tritium, I found. thx.
[05:35] <NoHope> socomm, thx.
[05:35] <tritium> NoHope, sure.  It was a long list, huh?
[05:35] <manobro> hi, Im need some help, I can connect using x-chat, apt-get, ping (and all other probgrans in terminal), but my firefox, gain, and other in gnome cant connect :(
[05:35] <manobro> anybody can help me, please
[05:36] <Big_O> hmmm wheres the start sesion script O_O
[05:36] <pdg> desrt: intel_agp is in use, and agpgart is needed by it
[05:36] <Big_O> im not sure if the mean the x session or not though
[05:36] <pdg> let me restart the server and see
[05:36] <desrt> pdg; oh right.  that makes sense.  fglrx would be using them
[05:36] <NoHope> tritium, yes... a lot of things.
[05:36] <wendy> hello
[05:36] <tritium> NoHope, yeah, more specific searches help with that
[05:36] <pdg> anyway, this is my last try today
[05:37] <wendy> does anyone know where in about:config in firefox you configure which email program you use?
[05:37] <pdg> so thanks a lot, desrt, tritium, frank_ and... someone else I can't recall
[05:37] <socomm> wendy: Try searching for the email key value.
[05:37] <tritium> pdg, sure.  Good luck
[05:37] <socomm> wendy: Also try gconf, that might be of some help as well.
[05:38] <wendy> gconf?
[05:38] <wendy> even if I'm not using gnome?
[05:38] <Sponge_> hey Big_O: Where is dorothy??? :P
[05:38] <wendy> how do I search about:config?
[05:38] <wendy> I'm trying to search the conventional way and "mail" isn't found, which isn't possible.
[05:39] <Sponge_> (Big_O: Did you watch that japanese animation? :P)
[05:39] <tritium> wendy, in gnome, there's a Systems->Preferences->Preferred Applications where you can set default browser, email, and terminal.  I don't know if you're not using gnome.
[05:39] <wendy> I"m in xfce now
[05:40] <wendy> ack
[05:40] <moshe> I'm trying to set this up for my wife
[05:41] <socomm> moshe: http://www.google.com
[05:42] <nops> can anybody help me ?
[05:42] <Big_O> >_> ugh
[05:42] <fr500> nops, just ask
[05:42] <Big_O> remind me to give him shit next time i see him
[05:43] <nops> my net seens ok, but my firefox and gain cant connect to ani site/server
[05:43] <eliUbuntu> anyone here try to re-install xp with ubuntu on the other partition?
[05:43] <fr500> can you ping google?
[05:43] <eliUbuntu> yep
[05:43] <eliUbuntu> just did
[05:43] <Big_O> yeah once
[05:43] <nops> yep
[05:43] <fr500> eliUbuntu, it works fine, it may break grub
[05:43] <Big_O> fortunatly i wanted to reinstall ubuntu anyway
[05:43] <fr500> nops, then it should work
[05:43] <nops> 15 packets transmitted, 15 received, 0% packet loss
[05:43] <eliUbuntu> fr500, that is what i though. how do you repair the grub?
[05:43] <fr500> nops, do you have a proxy?
[05:44] <Big_O> anyway
[05:44] <nops> nops, nat, and ubuntu was woring fine yesterday, today I made a apt-get dist-upgrade and now Im having problems
[05:44] <fr500> eliUbuntu, boot the live cd, go to a console, mount your boot partition, chroot to the mounter partition, then run grub-install hd0 (or the hard disk you used)
[05:44] <abba> hello
[05:44] <eliUbuntu> im thinking about reinstalling ubuntu as well, saw the extra-CD
[05:44] <fr500> nops, no clue
[05:45] <fr500> eliUbuntu, what extra cd?
[05:45] <eliUbuntu> the one listed on ubuntulinux.org
[05:45] <abba> having a problem installing mod_perl
[05:45] <eliUbuntu> let me get you the link
[05:45] <fr500> eliUbuntu, never seen it
[05:45] <eliUbuntu> one minute
[05:45] <fr500> eliUbuntu, what do you need XP for?
[05:45] <dbernar1> crimsun: ping...
[05:45] <abba> anyone have a link for ubuntu?
[05:46] <nops> well, ill make a backup of the apt-get reposity and reinstall :(
[05:46] <eliUbuntu> fr500 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com//UnofficialUbuntu504AddOnCD
[05:46] <Knowledge_> Anyone know how to make a Plantronics USB headset work?
[05:46] <fr500> nops, there is a Network Proxy dialog in system preferencesm did you check it?
[05:46] <eliUbuntu> i used xp for media and graphics. linux cannot quite handle what i need for the graphics part
[05:46] <fr500> eliUbuntu, restoring grub is easy
[05:47] <fr500> eliUbuntu, altough sometimes
[05:47] <fr500> desrt pdg; just on a last-ditch effort, you could try changing that to "yes" and unload intel_agp and agpgart modules
[05:47] <fr500> pdg I can try...
[05:47] <fr500> * mebaran151 has quit ("Leaving")
[05:47] <fr500> pdg so change that, unload/load, and restart xorg?
[05:47] <eliUbuntu> ok, so i need a live cd
[05:47] <fr500> * airmikey<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[05:47] <fr500> desrt change it, unload
[05:47] <fr500> desrt don't reload the modules
[05:47] <fr500> socomm NoHope: Trying using synaptic.
[05:47] <fr500> wooops
[05:47] <fr500> sorry
[05:47] <nops> fr500, direct connection there :(
[05:47] <fr500> eliUbuntu, yes
[05:47] <eliUbuntu> brb, gonna download the dvd one with the live and and installation disk
[05:47] <epiloc> Can anyone give me one good reason why i should switch from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[05:47] <fr500> nops, a weird problem you got there
[05:47] <eliUbuntu> gnome is faster than kde
[05:47] <fr500> epiloc, gnome :)
[05:47] <epiloc> can i make gnome as pretty?
[05:48] <nops> fr500, yep, a hell of problem!!
[05:48] <socomm> epiloc: Can you?
[05:48] <eliUbuntu> wanna see a screenshot of mine?
[05:48] <fr500> nops, what happens if you try to open say......www.google.com?
[05:48] <jasmuz> epiloc: because we love Gnome
[05:48] <eliUbuntu> its nice :)
[05:48] <eliUbuntu> on gnome
[05:48] <epiloc> yes, screenshots plz!
[05:48] <eliUbuntu> where is that site where i can upload screenshots?
[05:48] <eliUbuntu> forgot the link
[05:48] <dbernar1> I dont have any programs open, and my speakers are playing music, from an xmms that I closed, what can I do? I killall-ed xmms already.
[05:48] <socomm> http://samesoft.sourceforge.net/gnome.png
[05:48] <nops> fr500, firfox says in status "host found" then "opening page" e it stop there "looking" for the page
[05:48] <Thewarmachine> Firefox 1.0.6 is out folks
[05:49] <epiloc> it is my opinion that kde is still in development...  after doing an update, half of my devices stopped working
[05:49] <jasmuz> Thewarmachine: cool
[05:49] <dbernar1> Thewarmachine: anything new?
[05:49] <fr500> nops, try to open <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:49] <socomm> epiloc: Did you like that screenshot?
[05:49] <Thewarmachine> havent installed it yet
[05:49] <Thewarmachine> and great screenshot
[05:49] <epiloc> socomm, yes, how did you make the toolbar transparent?
[05:50] <epiloc> socomm, oh, and the lotus is very nice :)
[05:50] <fr500> epiloc, right click
[05:50] <socomm> epiloc: Right click on the panel -> properties -> etc ... -> etc ...
[05:50] <Thewarmachine> my question Is why firefox isnt in the repos yet
[05:50] <nops> fr500, "waiting response" and nothing :(
[05:50] <Thewarmachine> ?!!
[05:50] <fr500> nops, very weird
[05:50] <epiloc> heh, ok im almost sold
[05:50] <fr500> but pinging google works?
[05:50] <jasmuz> Thewarmachine: it hasnt been backported yet
[05:51] <eliUbuntu> pretty slick socomm
[05:51] <fr500> what is a backport?
[05:51] <epiloc> kubuntu is nice, but kde error messages pop up just as frequent as they did on my xp machine
[05:51] <epiloc> ok well maybe not THAT much
[05:51] <Thewarmachine> that sux
[05:51] <epiloc> but i think kubuntu is falling apart, they left out some printer modules on the last update, and lookey there... cant print!
[05:51] <Thewarmachine> is backporting hard?
[05:52] <Thewarmachine> because if it isnt Ill do it
[05:52] <Thewarmachine> !
[05:52] <ubotu> Thewarmachine: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:52] <socomm> eliUbuntu: Thanks.
[05:52] <dbernar1> fr500: a backport is tailoring a newer version of a program to a version of an OS, that supports a lower verrsion number than you are backporting
[05:52] <Druke> anyone here familiar with zope/plone?
[05:52] <nops> fr500, I tried to remove the servers ignored in the proxy configurations
[05:52] <bimberi> Druke: yes
[05:53] <dbernar1> Thewarmachine: go backport it and come back and tell us if it was hard.
[05:53] <fr500> nops, can you ping google?
[05:53] <Thewarmachine> LOL
[05:53] <fr500> my desktop :p http://<IP_ADDRESS>:6888/Downloads/Screenshot.png
[05:53] <eliUbuntu> !screenshot
[05:53] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, eliUbuntu
[05:53] <Druke> bimberi, the zope from apt-get doesn't sem to have a 'product' folder
[05:53] <epiloc> does anyone think that KDE is more powerful than gnome?
[05:53] <Thewarmachine> nah
[05:53] <Druke> epiloc, no
[05:53] <eliUbuntu> anyone know where i can post my screenshot?
[05:53] <fr500> epiloc, i think it's cool, the interface is more flexible i think, but it's kinda clutered
[05:54] <Knowledge_> ok, I found out how to use my plantronics headset...but here's the thing...right now it's using OSS and the how to says that I'm going to be using alsa....which I've had problems with...any suggestions?
[05:54] <jasmuz> epiloc: it's a matter of taste
[05:54] <nops> fr500, nothing happened and now I cant put it back *localhost and <IP_ADDRESS>/8 . I can ping google and Im using x-chat in that machine with problems (wireeeerd)
[05:54] <socomm> epiloc: It's all a matter of taste.
[05:54] <fr500> eliUbuntu, did you check mine?
[05:54] <eliUbuntu> looks nice!
[05:54] <eliUbuntu> similar to what i have, but different still
[05:54] <bimberi> Druke: It's usually "Products" iirc
[05:54] <epiloc> fr500, you think kde is more kluttered?
[05:54] <fr500> nops, i have no idea on what is wrong, sorry
[05:54] <fr500> epiloc, than mine?
[05:54] <Druke> bimberi, iirc?
[05:55] <Thewarmachine> knowledke killall esd
[05:55] <gigaclon> question I installed the JRE according to the wiki page, what do I have to do to make Firefox recognize
[05:55] <fr500> epiloc, probably not :D, but i think kde is cluttered from the beggining
[05:55] <bimberi> Druke: If I Recall Correctly
[05:55] <nops> fr500, ill reinstall the distro and sse if the problems persist. thank you very much!! :)
[05:55] <ricosuave17> whats the name of the apt-get sources list
[05:55] <Knowledge_> Thewarmachine: that was directed towards me?
[05:55] <epiloc> fr500, you said the interface is more flexible but kinda cluttered... what were you reffering to?  KDE or Gnome?
[05:55] <fr500> nops, np, sorry i haven't been able to help
[05:55] <Druke> bimberi, well i don't see that either, would it be in the default isntance folder
[05:55] <fr500> epiloc, KDE
[05:55] <Thewarmachine> then go to system-> prefs->multimedia systems selector
[05:55] <nops> bye all, it was a pleasure meet you
[05:55] <Thewarmachine> yes knowledge
[05:56] <Thewarmachine> im 100 percent sure itll work
[05:56] <fr500> epiloc, you can program a lot more things for the KDE interface i think
[05:56] <gigaclon> question I installed the JRE according to the wiki page, what do I have to do to make Firefox recognize
[05:56] <gigaclon> oops soory
[05:56] <epiloc> fr500, ok, well... any other reasons why i should switch to ubuntu?
[05:56] <tna> hi i was wondering if anyone plays hl2 or cs:s on a linux box
[05:56] <Knowledge_> Thewarmachine: it's not allowing me to select my usb device...if I try the how to, and all fails I can still have my OSS untouched correct?
[05:56] <socomm> gigaclon: You gotta link the plugin to firefoxes plugin directory.
[05:56] <gigaclon> how
[05:56] <bimberi> Druke: It's usually /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products
[05:57] <jasmuz> epiloc: still remember that Ubuntu is the original project and Kubuntu is just a mear fork
[05:57] <Druke> bimberi, is that where i need to pyut the plone files?
[05:57] <epiloc> jasmuz, true
[05:57] <wendy> ok
[05:57] <Thewarmachine> yeah I think so
[05:57] <Knowledge_> ok
[05:57] <wendy> I found through google what I need to edit to configure firefox to open thunderbird on email links
[05:57] <Thewarmachine> the sound will only change if you do it
[05:57] <wendy> unfortunately, it's not an option I can find in about:config
[05:57] <fr500> dbernar1, about the backporting.......i read three times, maybe i'm approaching a languaje barrier :p
[05:57] <eliUbuntu> sorry, cant upload mine, dont remember the link for it
[05:57] <epiloc> does anyone think i will run into fewer problems with ubuntu?
[05:58] <epiloc> sorry
[05:58] <epiloc> last question
[05:58] <bimberi> Druke: yes - although you can install plone using synaptic
[05:58] <Thewarmachine> and just reverse the instructions I gave you and everything back to normal
[05:58] <Druke> bimberi, does that work well?
[05:58] <fr500> eliUbuntu, dcc it, i will post it
[05:58] <drew3> When Opening Firefox, I get an"Alert" "....ububtu-artwork...can't be found" I click Ok and Ffox opens. I'd like to 'not' get the Alert.
[05:58] <Thewarmachine> knowledge try it and let me know
[05:58] <gigaclon> socomm: how
[05:58] <Thewarmachine> i think theres a bug in the new firefox
[05:58] <wendy> network.protocol-handler.app.mailto is missing
[05:59] <bimberi> Druke: sorry I can't vouch for the ubuntu plone install - i've installed in on debian
[05:59] <bimberi> s/in/it
[05:59] <eliUbuntu> how do you dcc it?
[05:59] <eltino> Hello
[05:59] <Druke> bimberi, well i guess i can give you a vouch in .. 58seconds ;)
[05:59] <wendy> drew3, pick a different homepage for firefox to open up on.
[05:59] <eliUbuntu> did it
[05:59] <Thewarmachine> why is it that when you try to install firefox 1.04 you need to install gcc4.0
[05:59] <Thewarmachine> ?
[05:59] <dbernar1> fr500: ya, my explanations are not that good:)
[05:59] <bimberi> Druke: :)
[05:59] <bimberi> Druke: looking forward to it :)
[06:00] <alvariux> hello
[06:00] <drew3> Thewarmachine, was that for me? a bug in Ff?
[06:00] <alvariux> anynone hve install imap-ssl?
[06:00] <coolkev> can any one tell my why my harddrives get really hot on linux?
[06:00] <Thewarmachine> drew im talkin about 1.06
[06:00] <fr500> eliUbuntu, didn't work, sorry
[06:00] <benplaut> Thewarmachine: i think the version in backports was compiled with gcc4, but that dousn't explain a dependancy...
[06:00] <Thewarmachine> your problem is gcc
[06:00] <fr500> dbernar1, no prob
[06:00] <eliUbuntu> its ok
[06:00] <eltino> anyone familiar with Ubuntu's LiveDVD? I wonder if there's a way to cache it all in ram at boot?
[06:00] <eliUbuntu> gotta people
[06:00] <eliUbuntu> see you later!
[06:00] <coolkev> alot hotter then on windows i believe
[06:00] <socomm> gigaclon:  lln -s /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[06:00] <socomm> gigaclon: Or something like that.
[06:00] <alvariux> im having problems with autentication
[06:00] <benplaut> eltino: how much RAM do you have?
[06:00] <Thewarmachine> it just insists on installing as a dependency
[06:00] <eltino> benplaut: 2 Gigs
[06:01] <benplaut> probably not enough...
[06:01] <benplaut> dvd images are massive
[06:01] <Druke> bimberi, but i use the zope controls in /var/lib correct?
[06:01] <alvariux> anynone hve installed imap-ssl?
[06:01] <coolkev> is there a way to keep the drives cooler?
[06:01] <eltino> benplaut: it's actually just a livecd
[06:01] <Thewarmachine> a good winblows prog is dvdshrink
[06:01] <poningru> coolkev: does your fan spin too much?
[06:01] <Thewarmachine> i dont know what its linux equivalent is though
[06:01] <coolkev> nope
[06:01] <poningru> whats the probe?
[06:01] <coolkev> i have no harddrive fan
[06:02] <bimberi> Druke: yes /var/lib/zope/instance/<instance_name>/bin
[06:02] <poningru> err prob
[06:02] <bimberi> Druke: could be zope2.7
[06:02] <coolkev> my case is open i touch the hardrive and it's pretty hot
[06:02] <poningru> hehe
[06:02] <benplaut> i'm not sure how many of Knoppix's "cheatcodes" ubuntu live still has
[06:02] <bimberi> Druke: ... instead of zope
[06:02] <benplaut> it should be "ubuntu toram"
[06:02] <Thewarmachine> coolkev...want a tip?
[06:02] <coolkev> ye
[06:02] <poningru> coolkev: using journaling system?
[06:02] <coolkev> ye ext3
[06:02] <coolkev> i mean
[06:02] <Thewarmachine> you can actually wire a fan onto a harddrive with brackets
[06:02] <coolkev> Resier fs and ext3
[06:02] <Druke> bimberi,  it comes withn an instance called default
[06:02] <coolkev> i have two partition
[06:03] <eltino> benplaut: I'll try that... I hope it works ;p and with a little luck I'll have 128MB free left to actually use it :)
[06:03] <poningru> is it hotter when you use resierfs?
[06:03] <Druke> bimberi,  however theres no bin folder in it, erphaps i should try to create a new isntance
[06:03] <Thewarmachine> and temp drops up to ~20 degrees
[06:03] <poningru> cause that might make sense
[06:03] <coolkev> i don't know since i'm using both on the same drive
[06:03] <poningru> but ext3 should not cause more drive access than ntfs
[06:03] <Thewarmachine> if you have a dual boot
[06:03] <coolkev> like one partition of the drive is resier the other is ext3
[06:03] <Thewarmachine> ....
[06:03] <Druke> bimberi, its only dir's are  "access  Extensions  import  var"
[06:03] <poningru> right
[06:03] <jasmuz> Does anyone know if you can use DRI on a SiS video integrated to the mainboard?
[06:03] <fr500> is drive cooling very important?
[06:03] <Thewarmachine> it is
[06:03] <benplaut> eltino: ubuntu doesn't use a crazy ultra compression, so you should have plenty left
[06:03] <bimberi> Druke: hm - i guess so
[06:04] <Thewarmachine> for me at least
[06:04] <Thewarmachine> the hotter the harddrive
[06:04] <Thewarmachine> the more of a chance for skrewups and catastrophes
[06:04] <coolkev> i have to shut off my comp now days casue I'm afraid it'll get to hot and not function... i run max 7 hours my comp
[06:04] <fr500> Thewarmachine, i'm setting up an storage server (sick of dvds and cds all around), so cooling the drives would be ideal
[06:04] <Thewarmachine> you could liquid cool
[06:05] <coolkev> the funny thing is... the cpu is cooler then harddrive
[06:05] <coolkev> it's why I'm scared
[06:05] <bimberi> Druke: on debian it's mkzope2.7instance (as superuser)
[06:05] <Thewarmachine> or just the fan method oughta do the trick
[06:05] <fr500> Thewarmachine, that can cause screwups too
[06:05] <poningru> coolkev: hmm
[06:05] <poningru> that sounds iffy
[06:05] <Thewarmachine> that can
[06:05] <fr500> Thewarmachine, you wire the fan to the hdd?
[06:05] <poningru> you sure win doesnt cause this problem?
[06:05] <Thewarmachine> what can sorry?
[06:05] <Thewarmachine> here is what I did
[06:05] <coolkev> well my cpu is down clocked a little casue of my ram being pc 266
[06:05] <socomm> I hear they've opened a new station in the anartica, you might wanna colocate your stuff there.
[06:05] <Thewarmachine> lol
[06:05] <poningru> oh
[06:05] <Thewarmachine> socomm lol
[06:05] <coolkev> i need pc 333 ram in order to get my cpu's full portential
[06:06] <fr500> socomm, lol
[06:06] <poningru> go out and by it my friend
[06:06] <Thewarmachine> i attached a pair of brackets ina mounting hole I didnt use
[06:06] <coolkev> but it's not a big difference... normal should be 1.67 ghz and mine right is 1.33 ghz
[06:06] <Thewarmachine> then I mounted a fan onto the brackets
[06:06] <dbernar1> c
[06:06] <poningru> coolkev: whats your fsb on?
[06:06] <benplaut> that's a big difference, IMO
[06:06] <coolkev> 133
[06:06] <Computer__Guru> Hai fsckers
[06:07] <coolkev> it's all limited by the ram
[06:07] <coolkev> i need to buy newer ram
[06:07] <jasmuz> Computer__Guru: /dev/null to you
[06:07] <Thewarmachine> fr500 i can get a man page on it
[06:07] <fr500> Thewarmachine, what?
[06:07] <Thewarmachine> it was recently slashdotted
[06:07] <jasmuz> Good night all Ciao
[06:07] <Thewarmachine> lol
[06:07] <Thewarmachine> g2g
[06:07] <Thewarmachine> peace
[06:07] <Computer__Guru> jasmuz, talk to the inode
[06:07] <coolkev> could it be because i only have 128 mb rama nd the harddrive has to keep on accessing the Swap area?
[06:07] <fr500> Thewarmachine, ok (but i have 8 200gb drives), i was thinkinga bout the power supply
[06:07] <fr500> bye
[06:08] <Spleen> What is the default application that runs ADSL connections on Ubuntu?
[06:08] <socomm> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4693409.stm
[06:08] <dups> has anyone here had a problem with firefox crashing upon loading pages, my guess is a fault due to media?
[06:08] <dups> Spleen: ppoe
[06:08] <Computer__Guru> dups:  is it crashing loading any pages, or pages with flash?
[06:08] <coolkev> ye i do have that
[06:08] <socomm> dups: Yes, you got composite extension enabled?
[06:09] <poningru> dups: what page?
[06:09] <dups> Computer_Guru: I can't be one hundred percent sure, like moviefone.com crashes the site for example
[06:09] <Computer__Guru> lemme check it for flash
[06:09] <dbernar1> dups: pppoeconf?
[06:09] <coolkev> call me crazy but ubuntu has a few stability error.. well it's programs.. my gnome-panel and nautilus crash alot
[06:09] <Knowledge_> ok, I can't figure out this how to, anyone know what to do about this whole USB headset thing?
[06:09] <socomm> dups: The operative words here are composite  extension and flash.
[06:09] <coolkev> and so does firefox when trying to watch streaming video
[06:09] <dups> socom: ok, is there a thread on that or something I can read over
[06:10] <socomm> dups: There's a known bug for that combination, I posted a solution on ubuntus bugtrack thingamajig.
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> dups i had that problem when i loaded a bunch of flash devel libraries n such... never could fix it, ended up reinstalling heh
[06:10] <coolkev> also when i uses other application while listening to music beep-media-player stops playing and if i try to press the play button it hangs
[06:10] <Spleen> Because I don't remember what I used to set up PPPoE and, while it seems to work, my ethernet NIC (eth1) that connects to the modem doesn't show as configured in Network settings (Gnome)
[06:10] <dups> yeah it's really frustrating
[06:10] <Computer__Guru> dups:  yeah, it's got flash on it. try removing your flash installation, and reinstalling flashplugin-nonfree
[06:10] <dups> hmm ok
[06:10] <coolkev> i guess I'll shut off my comp now and maybe get harddrive coolers
[06:10] <Spleen> And I am having probs with NAT and IP forwarding
[06:11] <dbernar1> Spleen: pppoeconf
[06:11] <coolkev> hopefully the next release of ubuntu will be alot more stable and useful and up-to-date..
[06:11] <socomm> Computer__Guru: That's not the solution here ....
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> socomm:  pardon me? when I had that problem, that is the exact solution i was given here.. uninstall flash and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree
[06:12] <socomm> export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
[06:12] <socomm> Add that line to your firefox script, at the top.
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> hrmm
[06:12] <socomm> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2005-March/012564.html
[06:12] <Computer__Guru> that works?
[06:12] <socomm> Read more about it there.
[06:12] <socomm> Computer__Guru: Worked for me.
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> socomm:   you should add that to the bot :D
[06:13] <dups> socomm: thanks
[06:13] <Computer__Guru> would have saved me a lot of grief
[06:14] <dups> where is the firefox script stored on ubuntu?
[06:14] <frank> s
[06:14] <socomm> Most likely /usr/bin/firefox
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> yah /usr/bin/firefox is a wrapper script
[06:15] <Computer__Guru> dont add that line above #!/bin/sh
[06:15] <dups> yeah, I know that, just didn't know about this problem
[06:16] <frank> dear god. I'm trying FC4 for fun and up2date is asking me after it downloads EACH AND EVERY PACKAGE if I want to continue because the packages are somehow not signed.
[06:16] <neoxeno> lol
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> frank:  repeat after me
[06:16] <Computer__Guru> RPM SUCKS
[06:16] <frank> hehe
[06:16] <firestorm> Hi. When I open konsole it is black background with white text but never used to be. How can I revert back to whit background with black text?
[06:16] <socomm> frank: `man up2date'
[06:17] <dups> excellent, that worked socomm.  Does anyone also have url's for the backports that work
[06:17] <Doomgaze`> drcode, from Exult?
[06:17] <drcode> hi
[06:17] <Computer__Guru> firestorm:  click settings ont he menu, go to schema, and select black on white
[06:17] <Knowledge_> So, anyone on my usb headset? I tried to read http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18926&highlight=mips But I'm far beyond lost
[06:18] <firestorm> Computer__Guru: excellent, thanks. how can I force it to keep the setting across reboots?
[06:18] <LinuxNIT-ubuntu> how do you set the power management settings ?
[06:18] <Computer__Guru> firestorm:  click settings ont he menu, then click save as default
[06:18] <epiloc> Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: connection refused.
[06:18] <Druke> bimberi, i restarted zope with /usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products holding all the plone stuff, some of it comes up in zope manager, but not all
[06:19] <firestorm> Computer__Guru: thanks again
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> n e time
[06:19] <epiloc> This is the reason im dropping Kubuntu
[06:19] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  because you cant get cups configured?
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> that sounds like a pretty silly reason to change dists
[06:20] <epiloc> yes
[06:20] <epiloc> well... i feel pretty silly for doing it
[06:20] <Computer__Guru> are you trying to connect to a cups server ont he local machine?
[06:20] <epiloc> im trying to open my printer manager
[06:20] <epiloc> and it just gives me that error
[06:21] <_mike> which is better openoffice or koffice?
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> okay, open a shell and type:
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> sudo /etc/init.d/cups restart
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> and watch for errors
[06:21] <DAC1138> how nice. gimp crashed every time i try and select an area. is this another hoary bug?
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> _mike:  openoffice is more 'complete'
[06:21] <_mike> i see
[06:21] <Computer__Guru> but koffice flows a little better and imho is prettier..ymmv
[06:22] <bimberi> Druke: sorry - i don't have access to a valid plone install atm so it's hard to help with that
[06:22] <epiloc> root@home:~ # /etc/init.d/cups restart
[06:22] <epiloc> -bash: /etc/init.d/cups: No such file or directory
[06:22] <gigaclon> firefox now wont start
[06:22] <gigaclon> INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager
[06:22] <gigaclon> System error?:: No such file or directory
[06:22] <Computer__Guru> i suppose it all depends on the level of complexity you require in your office package
[06:22] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  holdon a sec
[06:22] <epiloc> :)
[06:22] <tomchuk> cupsys
[06:22] <Druke> bimberi, no prob, checking to see what apt-get install plone site is
[06:22] <Druke> bimberi,  plone-site rather
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:23] <gigaclon> why can't firefox install JRE automatcally like in windows
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> ooh this reminds me, i need to audit my init system tonight
[06:23] <dbernar1> gigaclon: dont be ridiculous.
[06:23] <dbernar1> gigaclon: what did you do to your ff?
[06:23] <Computer__Guru> !java
[06:23] <ubotu> from memory, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[06:23] <epiloc> root@home:~ # sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:23] <epiloc>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[06:23] <epiloc> cupsd: Child exited with status 99!
[06:23] <gigaclon> i did that
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> gigaclon:  follow that, its pretty simple
[06:24] <gigaclon> still didn't work
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> oh
[06:24] <IIIEars> gigaclon - did you find the jre.deb on ubuntu backports?
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  okay, something in cupsys is broken
[06:24] <epiloc> this problem is being reported on the forums, and going unanswered
[06:24] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  do this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure cupsys
[06:24] <dbernar1> gigaclon: so, you had firefox working normally, and installed the j2se package from backports, and now ff does not start?
[06:24] <epiloc> yes, some think a module went missing in the last upgrade
[06:24] <gigaclon> I did the wiki thing
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> could be something as simple as a config option
[06:25] <ricosuave17> whats the link to the ubuntu guide??
[06:25] <gigaclon> then it still didn't work
[06:25] <Cooner750> Hey Everybody! :)
[06:25] <dbernar1> hey
[06:25] <gigaclon> made a symlink
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> !ubuntuguide
[06:25] <IIIEars> gigaclon - that works too
[06:25] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[06:25] <gigaclon> then it didn't work
[06:25] <Cooner750> I finally managed to get the audio codecs installed; i'm done complaining now! :)
[06:25] <Computer__Guru> gigaclon:  did you build a package?
[06:25] <dbernar1> ricosuave17: google knows too...
[06:25] <Brunellus> anybody have any experience putting ubuntu on old hardware--say PIII 300MHz?
[06:25] <gigaclon> I did the things on the wiki page
[06:26] <IIIEars> gigaclon - yep - i tried the wiki twoce. - grab the jre.deb from ubuntu backports
[06:26] <dbernar1> gigaclon: did you restart ff after installing the package from backports?
[06:26] <Computer__Guru> gigaclon:  so you have a jre_blahblah_.bin in a dirctory,r ight?
[06:26] <gigaclon> yeah
[06:26] <dbernar1> Brunellus: ya.
[06:26] <ubruger> Brunellus,  I just did testerday
[06:26] <epiloc> root@home:~ # sudo dpkg-reconfigure cupsys
[06:26] <epiloc>  * Stopping Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ ok ]
[06:26] <epiloc>  * Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                           [ ok ]
[06:26] <epiloc> root@home:~ # sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[06:26] <epiloc>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd
[06:26] <epiloc> cupsd: Child exited with status 99!
[06:26] <epiloc> same error :(
[06:27] <dbernar1> and you pasted it twice to the channel?
[06:27] <gigaclon> yah
[06:27] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  I really don't think it's a reason to drop ubuntu, but im runing low on ideas
[06:27] <Cooner750> Computer_Guru: remember me?
[06:27] <Brunellus> ubruger:  was it hoary?
[06:27] <gigaclon> gah I click on a link and now Konq is having a spaz on the task bar
[06:27] <dbernar1> Cooner750: good for you.
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  have you tried starting the cupsys daemon in a console (without the start script) and watching or tailing the oputput?
[06:28] <tomchuk> epiloc,  can you post your /var/log/cups/error_log to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[06:28] <epiloc> well, its a problem with a dozen different people running on 2 different threads through the ubuntu forums, and noone has any ideas
[06:28] <Brunellus> I'm asking b/c a friend of mine is distroshopping for an old PIII/300mhz box
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> [root@psilocybin(~)] #: ps auxww | grep cupsys
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> cupsys    6433  0.0  0.6   5552  2464 ?        Ss   Jul20   0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd -F
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> root      7720  0.0  0.1   1596   484 pts/1    S+   00:28   0:00 grep cupsys
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> Date: Thu Jul 21 Time: 00:28:25
[06:28] <Computer__Guru> [root@psilocybin(~)] #:
[06:28] <Cooner750> I only did 'sudo apt-get install ffmpeg' and 'sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins' and 'gst-register-0.8'. and it works :D
[06:29] <Brunellus> he has plenty of RAM (256MB) on it, but the processor is not fantastic :p
[06:29] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, no, i will try.  tomchuck, sure
[06:29] <dbernar1> Brunellus: I mean, there are specific distros for lower end hardware, but any distro with a lightweight wm - not gnome- will do, and set up some lower mem usage apps.
[06:29] <Cooner750> now I just have to find somewhere to install Ubuntu; as I am only running a LiveCD :(
[06:29] <dbernar1> like, xfce4 may be a good choice.
[06:29] <tomchuk> Brunellus,  install xfce4 instead of gnome and it'll run like a champ
[06:29] <knowledge_> ok, I think I managed to screw up my sound
[06:29] <epiloc> root@home:~ # ps auxww | grep cupsys
[06:29] <epiloc> root     10489  0.0  0.1   1592   452 pts/1    S+   11:30   0:00 grep cupsys
[06:29] <Brunellus> dbernar1:  I've found xfce4 to be not really that stable for me...
[06:29] <ubruger> Brunellus, iso was called ubuntu 5.04
[06:30] <dbernar1> knowledge_: checked the hardware side completely?
[06:30] <Spleen> Has anyone here got experience using ubuntu as a gateway with ipforwarding to an ADSL connection?
[06:30] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  did you install a different version of cupsys than i have?
[06:30] <Brunellus> something memory leaks.  I'm running flux
[06:30] <dbernar1> Brunellus: well, use what works.
[06:30] <knowledge_> dbernar1, yeah, supposedly the link I posted up works (the how to) but now my on board sound doesn't
[06:30] <Brunellus> yeah.  well, I was kind of wondering if I was an isolated freak, performancewise on XFCE
[06:30] <Brunellus> or if it's a known issue....
[06:30] <dbernar1> Spleen: um...you mean, have adsl set up on ubuntu, and then forward an IP to another computer?
[06:30] <Brunellus> actually, I think the problem might be Xscreensaver.
[06:31] <tomchuk> Brunellus,  I'm running 4.2.2 on Debian Sid and haven't had a single problem
[06:31] <amonkey> what cd ripper for linux can read cd-text
[06:31] <dbernar1> Brunellus: seemed to work here.
[06:31] <Brunellus> what's the most recent version in ubuntu universe?
[06:31] <dbernar1> just still slow a bit.
[06:31] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, no idea
[06:31] <crimsun> Brunellus, of xfce4? 4.2.1
[06:31] <dbernar1> knowledge_: well, what? no sound at all? one sound card?
[06:31] <knowledge_> supposedly my usb is supposed to use alsa, and by default my on board was using OSS....now it's saying "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'OSS - Open Sound System'" when I click test for my sound without the USB headset being plugged in
[06:32] <Brunellus> is 4.2.2 in backports?
[06:32] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, this all started ever since i updated
[06:32] <dbernar1> you wanna have them both work at the same time?
[06:32] <IIIEars> dbernar1 - did you want the j2re i got form ubuntu backports?
[06:32] <crimsun> Brunellus, no. We'll have 4.2.2 in Breezy soon.
[06:32] <knowledge_> and the usb won't work unless I boot the computer with it plugged in
[06:32] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  updated from what to what?
[06:32] <anildigital> my ubuntu resolution problem
[06:32] <dbernar1> IIIEars: not really, I am a Java developer currently, so I have it all set up...
[06:32] <Brunellus> h'm.
[06:32] <tna> hi i have partitionmagic, and i want to lay down ubuntu. Should i choose the option create new partition or install another os?
[06:32] <dbernar1> I maen, a Java developer...bah
[06:32] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, KDE 3.4.1
[06:32] <anildigital> it sets 640x480
[06:32] <crimsun> knowledge_, what's the issue?
[06:32] <IIIEars> okay. - guess that says it all. - grin
[06:32] <anildigital> after restart
[06:33] <anildigital> why
[06:33] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  i would imagine from the kde 3.4.0 that ships with kubuntu
[06:33] <Computer__Guru> wait a minute
[06:33] <Computer__Guru> what the hell does kde have to do with cupsys
[06:33] <dbernar1> tna, maybe create another partition would work.
[06:33] <Brunellus> would it be better to run a 'server' install at first, and then apt-get the packages necessary to make a lightweight ubuntu desktop system?
[06:33] <Computer__Guru> that makes zero sense
[06:33] <anildigital> even if I have configured xorg
[06:33] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, I installed repositories the same day, so im not sure if that is the problem
[06:33] <synd> Brunellus: ideally, yes
[06:33] <Tomcat_> tna: You don't need to create a partition before the installer does and I don't know what the "Install OS" option does... just look that there is free space (not used by any partitions) on your disk, then install.
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> Brunellus:  that works, better if you're somewhat limited on space and just want to install what you're gonna actually use
[06:34] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, well...  I talked to someone else with the same problem, even reinstalled kubuntu... changed to ubuntu, (gnome-printer-manager) and problem solved
[06:34] <Tomcat_> tna: If you want to create the partitions before you install, make sure to have at least two - one for the root fs and one (big enough!) for temp.
[06:34] <Cooner750> xmms is not responding. anyway to kill it?
[06:34] <crimsun> pkill xmms
[06:34] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, I know it doesnt make sense, but well...  yeah...  there we have it
[06:34] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  why did you update kde to 3.4.1 from 3.4.0? I havent ran into any problems at all on 3.4.0
[06:34] <knowledge_> crimsun, my on board sound was working, then I used http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-18926.html <--to try to make my Plantronics USB work...and now my on board isn't working...and in order for my USB dev to work, it has to be plugged in before I boot
[06:34] <Brunellus> Computer__Guru:  so minimally, I'd want the Xwindows core stuff, a wm, and a few apps.
[06:34] <Cooner750> crimsun: thanks!
[06:35] <Brunellus> in addition to the ubuntu base system.
[06:35] <crimsun> knowledge_, cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:35] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, kopete was crashing, someone recommended 3.4.1 and it solved the problem
[06:35] <tna> Tomcat_ so when i boot up ubuntu for the first time it can make partitions for me?
[06:35] <Cooner750> I noticed today on another distro "CTRL+ESC" brought up a process window.
[06:35] <Computer__Guru> Brunellus:  if you install, say, xfce4 and you dont already have X, it will install it for you, or really should
[06:35] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, if that IS the problem, how can i downgrade?
[06:35] <alvariux> anynone hve installed imap-ssl?
[06:35] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  solved one problem to start another
[06:35] <Tomcat_> tna: When you install, it will show you a partition manager like Partition Magic (just not as good)
[06:35] <Brunellus> h'm.
[06:35] <knowledge_> 0 snd_usb_audio 1 snd_intel8x0
[06:35] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  nope, it''l install the necessary xlibs but not the xserver, you need to install x-window-system-core
[06:35] <knowledge_> crimsun,
[06:35] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, exactl :(
[06:36] <Tomcat_> tna: I usually tell it to use all the free space the way it likes to, and I've always been happy. :o
[06:36] <Brunellus> but basically:  xserver, wm, apps.  right?
[06:36] <Cooner750> I think Ubuntu is now my favorite Distro
[06:36] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  there's no way it can be the problem (that makes any kind of sense).. i can buy that maybe the kcontrol app might have changed, but kde did not change one thing about your printing subsystem.. or at least it would have no right to
[06:37] <knowledge_> crimsun, ok, sorry...the usb works when plugged in and out...but how do I get my on board to work when the usb is unplugged?
[06:37] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk:  don't you find that kind of odd from a package management system?
[06:37] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, well... like you I am running out of ideas, and I need my printer asap for school... so im running out of options
[06:37] <Hikaru79> What umask would I use to only allow read access to a file for ANYONE?
[06:37] <Hikaru79> Or, just for owner
[06:37] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  not if I wanted to run X remotely, and didn't need a local xderver
[06:38] <tomchuk> *server
[06:38] <epiloc> Ubuntu and gnome might be better for me anyways :/
[06:38] <ricosuave17> can anyone help em get the newest alsa drivers?
[06:38] <crimsun> knowledge_, do you mean that the usb subsystem _only_ works if you have the device plugged in during boot?
[06:38] <crimsun> ricosuave17, sure, but do you require them absolutely?
[06:38] <deFrysk> ricosuave17, why do you need them ?
[06:38] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  try (i hate to suggest this, but *I* know of no real way to do what you need to do, sooo) reinstalling ubuntu
[06:38] <crimsun> ricosuave17, often you don't - alsa-source in hoary/universe will suffice
[06:38] <ricosuave17> i need them for a sound experiment
[06:38] <tna> Tomcat_ i have a 115gig hd, and i have 75gig free space. Im wondering how much i should allocate to ubunt, with leaving some spacae for xp
[06:38] <knowledge_> crimsun, no no, I just tried it and it works correctly...but when I unplug my usb I would like it to go back to the default soundcard, and it's not doing that
[06:38] <ricosuave17> what do i do with source?
[06:39] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, I am on kubuntu, but yes that was my plan (to switch to ubuntu)
[06:39] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, I am going to miss pretty KDE
[06:39] <crimsun> !tell ricosuave17 about alsa-source
[06:39] <deFrysk> kde = ugly
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  try again.. and try gaim instead of kopete :D
[06:39] <Computer__Guru> kde is pretty. and a hell of a lot more feature rich than gnome
[06:39] <ricosuave17> ok but what do i do with the soruce
[06:39] <Tomcat_> tna: Whatever you want to... I'd allocate at least 10 GB for Ubuntu though...
[06:39] <ricosuave17> how do i compile it
[06:40] <crimsun> ricosuave17, instructions were sent to you.
[06:40] <Computer__Guru> gnome = for people with older machines and less resources to spare :-D
[06:40] <Tomcat_> tna: I got 1x115, 1x20 and 1x85 for Ubuntu... :o
[06:40] <crimsun> knowledge_, cat /proc/asound/modules
[06:40] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, what are you running?
[06:40] <tna> down the line can i steal more space from xp?
[06:40] <ricosuave17> crimsun,  there all stuck together
[06:40] <knowledge_> epiloc, believe me, I (being an ex-mandrake user) LOVED KDE....but honestly, I don't knwo what I was thinking once I started using gnome
[06:40] <knowledge_> epiloc, personal opinoin
[06:40] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  i'm running 3.4.0 w/gaim
[06:40] <Tomcat_> tna: Yes, you can always redistribute with Partition Magic or ntfsresize.
[06:40] <crimsun> ricosuave17, yes, copy and paste everything beginning with the first sudo into a terminal
[06:41] <knowledge_> crimsun, 0 snd_usb_audio
[06:41] <knowledge_> 1 snd_intel8x0
[06:41] <Computer__Guru> kde has been m y wm of choice for a really long time
[06:41] <crimsun> knowledge_, that output demonstrates that your usb device is the default sound device
[06:41] <anildigital> Ubuntu graphics problem
[06:41] <ricosuave17> how do i copy and paste in a terminal?
[06:41] <anildigital> 640x480
[06:41] <tna> awsome, ty for your help man, im off to the install :")
[06:41] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[06:41] <knowledge_> ?
[06:41] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, maybe I could try reinstalling kubuntu
[06:41] <anildigital> only
[06:41] <anildigital> why
[06:41] <crimsun> ricosuave17, highlight with your primary mouse button and paste with the middle
[06:41] <dbernar11> ricosuave17: ctrl+shift+c  ctrl+shift+v or right click...
[06:41] <anildigital> Please anyone help me
[06:41] <epiloc> Computer_Guru, on ubuntu?
[06:42] <anildigital> pleeeeeeese help me
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_:  I'm on Ubuntu 5.04 Hoary with the kubuntu-desktop package (and just about everything else made for kde :D)
[06:42] <dbernar11> anildigital: DENIED...
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> anildigital:  just state your problem, and we'll try
[06:42] <anildigital> I wanna se my resolution to 800x600
[06:42] <knowledge_> crimsun, right...because it's plugged in now, but how do I get my onboard sound to work when I unplug the headset?
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> anildigital:  what is it at now?
[06:42] <dbernar11> anildigital: read the ubotu link
[06:42] <dbernar11> !resolution
[06:42] <ubotu> I guess resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:42] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, any how-to on that?
[06:42] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_:  how-to on what?
[06:42] <anildigital> hey,Every time I reboot My resolution get set to 640x480
[06:43] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, KDE
[06:43] <knowledge_> on Ubuntu
[06:43] <crimsun> knowledge_, ah that's a bit more difficult
[06:43] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <dbernar11> anildigital: also, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will probably allow you to do that.
[06:43] <dbernar11> if you can read screen instructions, that helps.
[06:43] <anildigital> i done that, but in vain
[06:43] <dbernar11> sudo dpkg-reconfigure.
[06:43] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, and once it restarts I'll have the option of either/or?
[06:43] <crimsun> knowledge_, you'd need to kill any apps using any sound devices, then unload snd-intel8x0, then reload snd-intel8x0
[06:43] <anildigital> done also
[06:43] <knowledge_> crimsun, lemme guess, all command line?
[06:44] <crimsun> knowledge_, it's probably most easily scripted, yes
[06:44] <dbernar11> cl rocks.
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_:  then when its done, open synaptic and find KDE (the one that doesnt have universe), then install whatever you want that kubuntu-desktop didnt
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_:  yeah, click session type on your login manager
[06:44] <Computer__Guru> and choose gnome or kde
[06:44] <anildigital> hey, even if I set it to 800x600, login screen goes to 1024x728, after logout
[06:44] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, that was the best one liner how-to that I've came across...loll
[06:45] <deFrysk> anildigital, screensize in prefs
[06:45] <dbernar11> anildigital: how about when you login again?
[06:45] <knowledge_> crimsun, so how would I go about doing that?
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> crimsun:  i'm running an onboard intel 810 sound device, and i never had to do allt hat
[06:45] <epiloc> ok, time to format
[06:45] <epiloc> thanks for the help guys
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> it just worked
[06:45] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, I also have a usb headset I'm trying to use
[06:45] <dbernar11> Computer__Guru: did you have another sound card plugged in with USB?
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> epiloc:  cheers
[06:45] <anildigital> after restart it sets to 640x480
[06:45] <Computer__Guru> knowledge_:  oh
[06:45] <epiloc> hopefully see you soon
[06:45] <deFrysk> anildigital, screensize in prefs
[06:45] <crimsun> heh
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> dbernar1:  missed that part, eh
[06:46] <anildigital> and after logout it sets to 1024x728
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> my bad
[06:46] <dbernar11> eh?
[06:46] <Cooner750> anybody know of a good side for desktop backgrounds? (I like how in KDE it has the 'Get New Wallpapers' button)
[06:46] <mebaran151> Kubuntu looks like it is in a bad state of affiars
[06:46] <anildigital> what is prefs
[06:46] <crimsun> mebaran151, why?
[06:46] <mebaran151> looks like you cant install KDE at all!
[06:46] <deFrysk> system -> prefs -> sreen
[06:46] <crimsun> there are a lot of things waiting on xbase-clients
[06:46] <nalioth> Cooner750: www.deviantart.com  www.kde-look.org
[06:46] <mebaran151> looking at the report for uninstallable packages
[06:46] <crimsun> that should be resolved shortly
[06:46] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  wtf are you talking about?
[06:46] <mebaran151> is their a Hoary version of Kubuntu
[06:46] <deFrysk> *screen
[06:46] <anildigital> how to login as a root from login screen in Ubuntu
[06:46] <crimsun> mebaran151, of course. kubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <mebaran151> oh
[06:47] <knowledge_> there's absolutely no easy fix for my little issue?
[06:47] <Cooner750> nalioth: thanks
[06:47] <mebaran151> it works that simply, nothing broken
[06:47] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  yes. sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <dbernar11> anildigital: why again?
[06:47] <anildigital> how to login as a root from login screen in Ubuntu
[06:47] <tomchuk> anildigital,  short answer: don't
[06:47] <stian_> anildigital... i was just about to ask te same question
[06:47] <stian_> how to make a root password?
[06:47] <tomchuk> !root
[06:47] <ubotu> I heard root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:47] <anildigital> please help,how to login as a root from login screen in Ubunt
[06:47] <nomis_> anildigital, you must give root a passwd. sudo su root
[06:47] <crimsun> !tell anildigital about root
[06:47] <deFrysk> anildigital, or in your console gnome-display-properties
[06:48] <nomis_> anildigital, i meant sudo passwd root
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> stian_:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo but basically, you just "sudo passwd" and choose a password
[06:48] <linuxpoet> what application can I use to burn ISOs?
[06:48] <mebaran151> anildigital,
[06:48] <mebaran151> you dont technically have root
[06:48] <mebaran151> you have sudo which is more secure
[06:48] <crimsun> linuxpoet, cdrecord, gnomebaker, k3b, cdrdao, xcdroast, ...
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> sudo is more secure than root?
[06:48] <mebaran151> it just wraps your commands as though they came from root
[06:48] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, yeah
[06:48] <deFrysk> linuxpoet, k3b rightklick is in nautilus gnomebaker graveman
[06:48] <mebaran151> if you set it up right
[06:48] <linuxpoet> thanks
[06:48] <DonL> I've learned to like sudo a lot
[06:48] <Computer__Guru> nah,t hat's wrong.. how can a setuid app be more secure than root?
[06:49] <ricosuave17> ok thanks dudes i now have mutiples sounds
[06:49] <mebaran151> I can grant certain users different root like priveldges
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> ridiculous
[06:49] <nomis_> mebaran151, maybe he needs it. for example .. you can boot from grub with full root prevs. i dont thinks thats secure
[06:49] <knowledge_> Computer__Guru, What do you think I shouuld do about my little sound problem
[06:49] <knowledge_> ?
[06:49] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, then su is equally ridiculous
[06:49] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  root or sudo aren't insecure, but only executing commands as root through sudo is /safer/
[06:49] <Computer__Guru> there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with having a root account, there's also nothing any more 'insecure' than using sudo.
[06:50] <crimsun> knowledge_, I gave you a suggestion
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> tomchuk:  ill concede that
[06:50] <knowledge_> oh....woah
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> but I have a root account, and wouldn't have it any other way
[06:50] <Computer__Guru> :)
[06:50] <DonL> oh well, night from here.
[06:50] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I've sen it both ways
[06:50] <knowledge_> crimsun, kill any apps using any sound devices, then unload snd-intel8x0, then reload snd-intel8x0?
[06:50] <mebaran151> sudo is more convieninet
[06:50] <nomis_> i just meant that you should give a passwd to root. otherwise its not very secure
[06:50] <crimsun> knowledge_, yep
[06:50] <tomchuk> Computer__Guru,  I have a root account too, but I use sudo more often
[06:51] <mebaran151> nomis_, if you give a password root, you have a root account right?
[06:51] <nomis_> yes. i thinks thats the best way Tomcat_
[06:51] <knowledge_> crimsun, oh...I read that, but I'm terrible at the command line...and have NO clue as to what I should do
[06:51] <nomis_> ah
[06:51] <zerboxx> what is the command to find a specific file?
[06:51] <nomis_> tomchuk,
[06:51] <dbernar11> crimsun: you cant burn isos with linuxpoet ...^
[06:51] <ricosuave17> for the first time ever im happy with linux
[06:51] <stian_> Thanks Computer__Guru
[06:51] <crimsun> dbernar1, come again?
[06:51] <nomis_> mebaran151, yes
[06:51] <Computer__Guru> the only true advantage to not having root would be if it were possible to make /etc/sudoers unreadable by the rest of the system. then you could create a couple of dummy accounts, and the hacker wouldnt be sure which acct he had to hack
[06:51] <nomis_> mebaran151, without passwd the root accout is disabled
[06:51] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:51] <dbernar11> 23:48 < crimsun> linuxpoet, cdrecord, gnomebaker, k3b, cdrdao, xcdroast, ...
[06:51] <mebaran151> I thought as much
[06:52] <dbernar11> so...
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> but you can't set /etc/sudoers a-r
[06:52] <dbernar11> :)
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> i dont believe
[06:52] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, can't you give different users different levels of rootness?
[06:52] <crimsun> dbernar1, that's the default X-Chat nick-completion delimiter :)
[06:52] <mebaran151> and control what accounts can sudo
[06:52] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  not different levels, but youc an define groups of apps, and set each user to a group or maybe just a selection of apps he can use
[06:52] <mebaran151> yeah
[06:52] <mebaran151> so isnt that more secure
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> well, not really
[06:53] <mebaran151> than giving every user all the rights to rm / -rf
[06:53] <knowledge_> crimsun, that's why I was asking you if there's an easy way
[06:53] <crimsun> knowledge_, that's the easiest way I know of
[06:53] <bob2> Computer__Guru: /etc/sudoers isn't readable by non-root users anyway
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  nobody has the right or ability to rm -rf / on this box except root
[06:53] <dbernar11> crimsun: I know, it was just a joke, to be funny.
[06:53] <knowledge_> crimsun, what would the commands be?
[06:53] <crimsun> dbernar11, I know :)
[06:53] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, but not everyone can become root under a sudo setup
[06:53] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  i stand corrected
[06:54] <crimsun> knowledge_, look at lsof/fuser and modprobe
[06:54] <crimsun> bbiab
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  under a non sudo setup only people int he group wheel can become root
[06:54] <eyequeue> where do i report a bug in a motu package? (lack of bins)
[06:54] <mebaran151> I guess both ways work
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> and only root can assign people to groups :)
[06:54] <bob2> eyequeue: launchpad.ubuntu.com
[06:54] <ricosuave17> i have launchpad
[06:54] <eyequeue> bob2:  thanks
[06:54] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, there goes my case for sudo ....
[06:54] <Cooner750> now sudo apt-get install is working great for me
[06:54] <Computer__Guru> mebaran151:  if you try to su - and you're not in wheel, you get a message
[06:54] <mebaran151> poor sudo :(
[06:55] <mebaran151> yep, I've done it
[06:55] <mebaran151> silly that I forgot about the wheel
[06:55] <bob2> Computer__Guru: not on gnu/linux
[06:55] <mebaran151> you have to part of the wheel group
[06:55] <bob2> RMS wrote a rant about su and the wheel group
[06:55] <knowledge_> !modprobe
[06:55] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, knowledge_
[06:55] <mebaran151> or else access is denied
[06:55] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  on every system i ever used.. it was either the group wheel or admin or admins
[06:55] <bob2> Computer__Guru: not on any gnu-based linux system I've ever seen
[06:55] <zerboxx> Can anyone give me a hand, I'm trying to set up Cedega CVS and I seem to have hit a dead end
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> hrmm, maybe i just took it for granted
[06:56] <bob2> Computer__Guru: "info su", scroll to the bottom
[06:56] <bob2> zerboxx: #cedega would be the place to ask
[06:56] <mebaran151> bob2, they key here is gnu isnt it?
[06:56] <yawa|QR> morning :)
[06:56] <zerboxx> bob2: Oh, ok thanks
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> yaknow i dont think ive ever even tried from linux on a non-wheel account
[06:56] <bob2> mebaran151: yes, as I said.  bsd-systems presumably have the old wheel behaviour
[06:56] <ricosuave17> ey does know here know about the mac os theme for gnome
[06:56] <tna> Tomcat_ i got my first problem
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> yeah freebsd uses wheel
[06:56] <regeya_> what's rms's problem with wheel
[06:56] <bob2> Computer__Guru: ubuntu and debian don't even have a wheel group
[06:56] <bob2> regeya_: info su, scroll to the bottom
[06:56] <JDahl> is the US mirror stressed, or is something wrong with my ISP? I keep getting timeouts...
[06:56] <Computer__Guru> wheel is a GOOD thing, it lets root control who can use su
[06:57] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  is there a way to get and compile the bsd style su?
[06:57] <bob2> Computer__Guru: no, it's stupid; if you have the root password, you've already won.
[06:57] <regeya_> SU(1)                     BSD General Commands Manual
[06:57] <mebaran151> bob2 so that makes sudo more secure
[06:57] <bob2> Computer__Guru: ssh to the root account, login to a terminal, etc
[06:57] <regeya_> oh whoops
[06:57] <regeya_> :-}
[06:57] <bob2> mebaran151: no it doesn't
[06:57] <Computer__Guru> not if your user isnt in wheel or /etc/sudoers, and root login is denied
[06:58] <regeya_> let me try 'info su' in a term where I'm NOT ssh'ed into an os x box :-}
[06:58] <RQ> bob2, root account might be disabled on ssh ;)
[06:58] <bob2> Computer__Guru: ssh on ubuntu allows root to login by default.
[06:58] <bob2> RQ: perhaps
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> so i might as well just enable root in ssh then
[06:58] <RQ> ant terminal is not always accessible enough for anyone
[06:58] <bob2> RQ: sure, there's lots of things you can change
[06:58] <mebaran151> bob2, then why did Ubuntu choose to disable the root account and use sudo?
[06:58] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  yeah i saw that (and turned it off immediately)
[06:58] <bob2> mebaran151: it saves two install questions
[06:58] <Cooner750> how would I go about mounting my internal NTFS drive? (Ubuntu did not automount)
[06:59] <Cooner750> it only automounted my external FAT32 USB
[06:59] <mebaran151> bob2, that sounds like something my employer would use to back up the decision :)
[06:59] <Computer__Guru> which is a ridiculous reason to do such a thing ;)
[06:59] <regeya_> bob2: I get a manpage for su, and the manpage is written by someone not RMS.
[06:59] <bob2> Computer__Guru: it won't automount ide drives
[06:59] <RQ> Cooner750, you simply edit fstab
[06:59] <RQ> ;)
[06:59] <bob2> Cooner750: ^
[06:59] <regeya_> unless RMS has changed his name to Julian and works for IBM.
[06:59] <bob2> Cooner750: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:59] <RQ> yeah, it's weird the installer doesn't ask anything about NTFS
[06:59] <Cooner750> thanks
[06:59] <bob2> regeya_: yes, as I said, read the info page, not the man page
[06:59] <RQ> i didn't like that
[06:59] <knowledge_> I'm going to try to restart
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> i like that it gives you the option of erasing or overwriting the data on your partition when you install
[07:00] <Worm> Hi i need help
[07:00] <bob2> mebaran151: it means people only need to remember one password, and makes it slightly harder for people to brute-force root on your machine
[07:00] <RQ> welll
[07:00] <bob2> mebaran151: and it encourages people to not ever login as root, which is a good thing by itself
[07:00] <tna> i booted up ubuntu and it took me to a command line wasnt sure what to run so i ran the only executable and it took me to a german screen
[07:00] <mebaran151> that is a good thing
[07:00] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  my user acct and root acct always have the same password *shrug*
[07:00] <RQ> if they brute-force you, they have root automatically
[07:00] <RQ> ;]
[07:00] <mebaran151> I cant info su thouhg; it brings up the man page ...
[07:00] <mebaran151> that is odd
[07:00] <Tomcat_> Computer__Guru: Bad way :)
[07:00] <bob2> Computer__Guru: why do you even have a root account at all then?
[07:01] <Worm> I just installed a game (t4c) with wine but how can i use it ?
[07:01] <dbernar11> nalioth: you there?
[07:01] <bob2> mebaran151: I don't know how you could manage to not have it on ubuntu, it's in the coreutils package
[07:01] <RQ> Worm, you run its executable with wine
[07:01] <MrGardenHoseMan> are .wmv files only viewable in windows?
[07:01] <Tomcat_> MrGardenHoseMan: Nope. You need w32codecs to view them.
[07:01] <Worm> RQ: where can i find it ? it in windows/ ...
[07:01] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:02] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: it should be linked from the FAQ
[07:02] <dbernar11> bob2: I dont think it shows it any more.
[07:02] <RQ> Worm, eh?
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  cause you hardly ever need to be root. i neither want or need superuser access on my user acct
[07:02] <MrGardenHoseMan> awesome thanks
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> THAT is a bad idea
[07:02] <Computer__Guru> heh
[07:02] <mebaran151> bob2, I have info ... it just loads the manpage
[07:02] <bob2> dbernar11: eh?
[07:02] <mebaran151> or something REALLY similar
[07:02] <dbernar11> bob2: the restrictedformats wiki does not have a wmv entry any more.
[07:02] <bob2> Computer__Guru: "if you're going to set the same password for both, why bother having root and a normal account?"
[07:02] <bob2> mebaran151: ok, that's weird
[07:02] <tomchuk> mebaran151,  info and man look similar
[07:03] <bob2> dbernar11: oh
[07:03] <bob2> Burgundavia: what's up with that?
[07:03] <tomchuk> mebaran151,  it should say "Welcome to Info version..." at the bootom
[07:03] <mebaran151> tomchuk, even down to sentence structure ...
[07:03] <pax> bob2, lawyers
[07:03] <Computer__Guru> Yeah I saw that and I answered you. Because I don't need superuser permissions all the time. I su to root when I need them, then I exit back out of the root shell
[07:03] <bob2> pax: actual lawyers got involved?
[07:03] <bob2> Computer__Guru: so how is that any better than using sudo?
[07:03] <mebaran151> it says Info: (*manpages*)su
[07:04] <pax> bob2, no but prevention is always a good thing
[07:04] <bob2> mebaran151: oh well, you can look it up on the web, too
[07:04] <mebaran151> tomchuck info coreutils works though
[07:04] <sn0wman> hi all
[07:04] <Computer__Guru> because when you su to root, you become root. i dunno dude, it's my preference.. even the page says both have pretty much equal advantages and disadvantages, so i suppose 'one less question' is a pretty good reason to disable root, after all
[07:04] <pablo928> Hi, everybody. I just installed awstats and can't figure out how to make it run. Can anyone help?
[07:05] <desrt> what's the condition for getting ubuntu to package a kernel module?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> bob2, say again?
[07:05] <sn0wman> can anyone tell me what package will install mkfontdir
[07:05] <bob2> pablo928: you read the documentation?
[07:05] <bob2> desrt: is it Free?
[07:05] <desrt> bob; yes.
[07:05] <zerboxx> bob2: More than 80 people on at #cedega, not one word being spoken, and not one offer for help :(  I'll keep googling, but thanks for pointing me to where they should help me :)
[07:05] <Computer__Guru> doesnt awstats run through cron?
[07:05] <RQ> sn0wman, breezy, eh? :)
[07:05] <sn0wman> heh, yeah
[07:06] <bob2> Burgundavia: apparently references to w32codecs are gone from RestrictedFormats
[07:06] <bob2> zerboxx: ah
[07:06] <RQ> sn0wman, none atm, i'm afraid :)
[07:06] <Burgundavia> bob2, legal reasons. We are awaiting a final verdict from canonical
[07:06] <RQ> well, maybe
[07:06] <La_PaRCa> Hey kids
[07:06] <bob2> desrt: I'd think a wishlist or enhancement bug on the "linux" product in bugzilla is enough
[07:06] <Computer__Guru> sn0wman:  isnt that a script that would be included with a package?
[07:06] <desrt> hmm
[07:06] <pablo928> bob2-I went to it's homepage, didn't find much to help me.
[07:06] <Tomcat_> zerboxx: The Ubuntu forums have a good HowTo for Wine.. maybe also for Cedega?
[07:06] <sn0wman> Computer__Guru: yeah, i would think so, but i have no idea which package that is
[07:06] <Crismo> there is someone to help me ?
[07:06] <Tomcat_> Crismo: Just state your question here.
[07:07] <bob2> mebaran151: http://mail.linux.ie/pipermail/cork/2001-April/001914.html
[07:07] <RQ> sn0wman, xutils
[07:07] <bob2> pablo928: no, /usr/share/doc/awstats/
[07:07] <Computer__Guru> sn0wman:  i've seen quite a few with mkfontdir.. you know that every version of that script is bound to be specific to the package it was distributed with
[07:07] <Crismo> Tomcat_: i just installed game with wine but i dont know on to lauch it
[07:07] <bob2> you only need mkfontdir for old apps that don't use fontconfig yet
[07:07] <bob2> (fyi)
[07:07] <pablo928> I'll give it a try. Thanks
[07:07] <Computer__Guru> yeah what he sed
[07:07] <zerboxx> Tomcat_: Checking on that now, thanks
[07:08] <Crismo> Tomcat_: i dont know where is the .exe
[07:08] <RQ> it is where you installed it
[07:08] <sn0wman> RQ: thanks, i'll see if i can fix this problem with that
[07:08] <Tomcat_> Crismo: Check ~/.wine ... there should be some directory that represents your Windows C: drive.
[07:08] <RQ> sn0wman, gl ;)
[07:08] <Cooner750> bbs
[07:08] <RQ> sn0wman, Xorg is broken ATM ;)
[07:08] <Crismo> Tomcat_:  how ?
[07:08] <deFrysk>   /j #wine
[07:09] <Tomcat_> Crismo: For example: I installed Picasa, it's in ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/Picasa2
[07:09] <Crismo> Tomcat_:  yeah but how to go on ~/.wine
[07:09] <Tomcat_> Crismo: How...? Either with ls in the Terminal, or with Nautilus.
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> my roommates girlfriend got her tongue stuck in a babyfood jar
[07:09] <Crismo> Tomcat_: kk
[07:09] <sn0wman> RQ: heh, yeah i can tell
[07:09] <Computer__Guru> we'r taking pictures
[07:09] <Tomcat_> Crismo: The same way you normally check out directories.
[07:09] <Harold> Evening, everyone.
[07:10] <RQ> sn0wman, hopefully, that will be fixed this week.
[07:10] <Madpilot> evening all
[07:10] <RQ> morning
[07:10] <RQ> ;]
[07:10] <Harold> nalioth: When are they going to launch that shuttle already?
[07:10] <Tomcat_> Btw, does anyone know what's up with the Firefox/Thunderbird security fixes the last days? Will they come to the Ubuntu ff/tb some time?
[07:10] <Computer__Guru> my bad it was a baby bottle pop jar
[07:11] <Tomcat_> Or are they not applicable anyway?
[07:11] <Harold> Tomcat_: Can't we simply install the .deb Firefox?
[07:11] <sn0wman> RQ: so xorg isn't working for any breezy users?
[07:11] <Computer__Guru> she came upstairs like get it off get it off and we both started looking for our cameras
[07:11] <RQ> it is for some
[07:11] <RQ> it's not for me :)
[07:11] <nalioth> Harold: my brother says they'll try tuesday
[07:11] <Tomcat_> Harold: I'd rather have an Ubuntu standard package for that... I don't want to install a third-party Firefox...
[07:12] <sn0wman> wow, that's aweful
[07:12] <bob2> tna: they'll be fixed in the version in ubuntu, rather than upgrading the version
[07:12] <RQ> even tho i tried so hard and got so far, in the end it didn't even matter :D
[07:12] <Harold> nalioth: Hey, you are here!  Thanks for getting me to compile links 2 the other day.
[07:12] <nalioth> Harold: best to stay with ubuntu packages
[07:12] <sn0wman> i wish i had known that before upgrading
[07:12] <Harold> Tomcat_: Why not?
[07:12] <RQ> sn0wman, it's in the forums
[07:12] <sn0wman> oh well, time for a hoary boot disc
[07:12] <RQ> :)
[07:12] <Tomcat_> bob2: Was that last directed to me? :o
[07:12] <RQ> sn0wman, anyways, there's not much of this week left
[07:12] <bob2> yes
[07:12] <marc__> Tomcat_: what i need to type on the terminal (it crismo some wrong with my connection)
[07:12] <Tomcat_> Ah, many thanks. :)
[07:12] <ws006> #kediri
[07:13] <RQ> sn0wman, plus, you can try downgrading it
[07:13] <Tomcat_> Harold: There are lots of problems associated with backported Firefox... o_O
[07:13] <pablo928> bob2: I read the doc for awstats and figured out this is probably not the app that I need. Can you recommend a good analyzer for web stats on a remote server? (commercial server)
[07:13] <tna> Tomcat_ is the ubuntu bootdisk supposed to take me to a command line?
[07:13] <ws006> hy
[07:13] <dbernar11> Anyhow, I just figured out how to set up internet connection sharing, maybe Ill write a wiki page.
[07:13] <Tomcat_> marc__: ls ~/.wine
[07:13] <Spleen> please do!
[07:13] <Spleen> hehe
[07:13] <bob2> pablo928: I don't know what sort of information you want
[07:13] <Crismo_> Tomcat_: oops sry what i need to type on the terminal ?
[07:13] <Tomcat_> tna: No idea, sorry. :o
[07:13] <Computer__Guru> gods, i love being a pothead
[07:14] <Tomcat_> Crismo: ls ~/.wine
[07:14] <Spleen> knowing my luck my puter will blow up and I will forget everything I did
[07:14] <nalioth> Harold: have you gone and compiled the world since?
[07:14] <dbernar11> Spleen: ;)
[07:14] <Harold> nalioth: nalioth So I was able to compile and install links 2, following your instructions, though I wasn't able to get the graphics to install.  But that's alright, because I've today received my 256MB RAM card and I'm now using Mozilla again!
[07:14] <Computer__Guru> does anybody know how wellt he old dos version of majorbbs runs under either dosbox, wine, or dosemu? what about the socket support?
[07:14] <nalioth> Harold: great!
[07:14] <Crismo_> Tomcat_: its says marc@ubuntu:~$ ls ~/.wine
[07:14] <Crismo_> dosdevices  drive_c  system.reg  userdef.reg  user.reg
[07:14] <pablo928> Ibob2:Just a program that will analyze the access logs from some sites that I have hosted on Yahoo servers.
[07:15] <Harold> nalioth: Well, yes I am compiling.  I picked up a C++ book at the library and I'm learning how to program.
[07:15] <bob2> Harold: you know links2 is in ubuntu, right?
[07:15] <nalioth> Harold: wow
[07:15] <bob2> pablo928: then why wouldn't you use awstats?  assuming they give you useful logs.
[07:15] <Harold> nalioth: And of course, learning how to program entails lots of compiling.
[07:15] <nalioth> bob2: i was showing Harold how to compile, using links2
[07:15] <timl> Harold: you're learning to program starting in c++? good luck to you
[07:15] <Harold> bob2: Isn't it  www-browser?
[07:15] <timl> Harold: it's possibly the worst choice for a first language to learn
[07:15] <Tomcat_> Crismo: Okay now you can go through the directories with "ls ~/.wine/drive_c" and so on and try to find the executable of the game you installed. In the end, start "wine ~/.wine/drive_c/<path>/<yourapp>.exe"
[07:15] <bob2> Harold: no, that's something else
[07:16] <Harold> timl: What would you choose to learn with?
[07:16] <Tomcat_> Crismo: I have to go though so if it doesn't work out, I hope somebody else here can help you.
[07:16] <timl> Harold: I would suggest python if you are trying to teach yourself
[07:16] <pablo928> bob2:read the doc for awstats it seem that this is an app for installation on the server.
[07:16] <Crismo_> Tomecat_: thx i'll try taht
[07:16] <Harold> timl: Why, persay?
[07:16] <Computer__Guru> timl:  rubbish. people who learn c++ first have no bad habits to un-learn :D
[07:16] <timl> Harold: the learning curve is much shallower so you can spend more time learning programming concepts and less time stressing over sytax details
[07:16] <bob2> pablo928: it doesn't care where it is, as long as it has access to the log files
[07:16] <timl> Computer__Guru: people who learn c++ first are all bad habits!
[07:17] <Computer__Guru> lol
[07:17] <bob2> C++ is a terrible first language
[07:17] <Computer__Guru> no, they're just masochistic
[07:17] <timl> or misguided
[07:17] <Harold> bob2: What would you learn first, bob?
[07:17] <Computer__Guru> i dunno, wasnt my first language
[07:17] <dbernar11> c++ rules! flame wars!
[07:17] <dbernar11> haha, sorry.
[07:17] <Computer__Guru> Harold:  pascal
[07:17] <timl> dbernar11: yes, but now as a first language :)
[07:17] <Harold> Computer__Guru: You're kidding.
[07:17] <Computer__Guru> pascal is nice :D
[07:17] <timl> *not
[07:18] <bob2> Harold: python's a nice first language.  so's scheme and haskell, but they're a bit more obscure.
[07:18] <pablo928> bob2:but how do I start the program? I tried awstats on the command line and it said "cmd not found" ?
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> it's a good language to learn with
[07:18] <Balfa> hi all
[07:18] <bob2> Harold: eiffel's ok
[07:18] <dbernar11> hey, Balfa .
[07:18] <bcarroll> my first was scheme
[07:18] <bob2> pablo928: so, find out what it's really called.  dpkg -L awstats | grep bin
[07:18] <timl> yeah, haskell is good in a sense, but it's not particularly pragmatic
[07:18] <bcarroll> too many ()
[07:18] <bob2> bcarroll: at scool?
[07:18] <bob2> er, "school"
[07:18] <Computer__Guru> my first was Apple Basic on an Apple ] [e
[07:18] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, can you join #ubuntu-doc please?
[07:18] <bcarroll> yeah
[07:18] <Spleen> Oh, forgot to ask before, does anyone have a script for system root emails, like the one FreeBSD send to root every morning reporting disk usage and other useless crud?
[07:18] <timl> aaanyway, to each their own
[07:18] <Harold> timl: I asked in here the other day, and most everyone swayed me away from C and towards C++...
[07:19] <timl> did you mention it was your first language?
[07:19] <Spleen> Mandrake also sent a daily email to root with stuff like world writable file information and stuff
[07:19] <Harold> timl: Yes, I believe so...
[07:19] <mebaran151> timl, try ruby
[07:19] <timl> I would learn C++ over C, but neither of them as the first language
[07:19] <mebaran151> oh
[07:19] <pablo928> bob2: came back /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[07:19] <pablo928> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
[07:19] <timl> mebaran151: no thank you
[07:19] <bob2> pablo928: right
[07:19] <Computer__Guru> then apple 64k assembler, then quickbasic for dos, then turbo pascal 2.0, then ansi c, and i suppose i know enough c++ to get by, but i don't code much
[07:19] <Harold> timl: What was your first computer language?
[07:19] <timl> Harold: qbasic, or some variant thereof
[07:19] <mebaran151> heheh, timl it is a nice language
[07:19] <Computer__Guru> is python fun?
[07:20] <timl> Computer__Guru: yes
[07:20] <bob2> pablo928: so, you have that there.  now just configure it to look at whatever dir youre going to copy the log files to
[07:20] <bob2> Computer__Guru: yes
[07:20] <aspro> java at school, then I moved onto the holy grail that is python :P
[07:20] <mebaran151> you all a bunch of ruby haters ....
[07:20] <timl> mebaran151: I know this, but I don't need it
[07:20] <bob2> as someone once said, it's like "executable psuedo code"
[07:20] <pablo928> bob2: So how do I start the progrqam? Does it have a gui?
[07:20] <Harold> bob2: Wouldn't a scripting language like PHP be the easiest of all to learn first?
[07:20] <timl> Harold: PHP will rot your brain
[07:20] <mebaran151> Harold, python and ruby are scripting languages
[07:20] <Computer__Guru> then maybe i could figure out what int he name of the gods is wrong with gyach-enhanced
[07:20] <mebaran151> that have the power and control of real languages
[07:21] <mebaran151> php is kind of hackish
[07:21] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, python and ruby are a bit more than scripting languages
[07:21] <Computer__Guru> since nobody will answer me ont he phrozensmoke forums
[07:21] <Harold> mebaran151: Python is newer than
[07:21] <bob2> pablo928: no, it doesn't havea gui.  I assume it has a config file in /etc/, though.
[07:21] <Harold> timl: Python is new, right?
[07:21] <timl> no, it's been around since 91
[07:21] <bob2> Harold: php's a terrible language to learn first
[07:21] <bob2> Harold: it's been around for over a decade
[07:21] <Computer__Guru> perl is a good language to learn on, too
[07:21] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, they are technically scripting languages ....
[07:21] <Computer__Guru> very straightforward, and has a good sense of structure
[07:21] <mebaran151> Computer__Guru, I would learn it second and start with python or ruby
[07:21] <Harold> bob2: Is Python a middle-level or a high-level language?
[07:21] <pablo928> bob2-thanks, let me look
[07:21] <regeya_> php is kinda hackis, yes.
[07:21] <mebaran151> Perl is a little hard
[07:22] <bob2> Harold: very high
[07:22] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, you cannot write a gui app in a scripting language. JS is a scripting language
[07:22] <regeya_> hackish, yes.
[07:22] <mebaran151> Harold, I think it a high
[07:22] <regeya_> where does that put perl?
[07:22] <Shicaca> Question: I have a laptop (Gateway Solo 1450 if you're interested) that has ACPI fans. I found a "script" that can turn the fans on and off. It gives me the code but what do I write the code in? Is there a program? I'm so freaking green with Linux it's not even funny, but before I can install it on my laptop for real (I was using Live) I have to get the fans to turn off/on.
[07:22] <Harold> I understand C++ is middle-level...
[07:22] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, you cant use ruby or python to write gui
[07:22] <mebaran151> what about PyGTK
[07:22] <Burgundavia> mebaran151, and gnome-art is written in ruby
[07:22] <regeya_> Wow, Burgundavia is trolling for flames, I think
[07:22] <bcarroll> pythons got pyGTK you can put a gui together with it, Burgundavia
[07:22] <Computer__Guru> perl used to be a scripting language (interpreted), but now has the ability to compile it's objects and modules :D
[07:22] <bob2> Burgundavia: er, that's a very odd defintiion of a scripting language
[07:22] <Harold> ...I'm not opposed to learning middle-level, so that I'll know more about what's going on "behind the scenes".
[07:22] <Burgundavia> regeya, not really
[07:22] <regeya_> meh.
[07:23] <Computer__Guru> it still writes pretty much the same though
[07:23] <mebaran151> Burgundavia, actually why I tried it first
[07:23] <Druke> python or Ruby  is high
[07:23] <Shicaca> *pokes a op*
[07:23] <sproingie> i think "scripting language" is more a matter of how you use it
[07:23] <timl> Harold: learn c++ once you've learnt python and/or ruby
[07:23] <Computer__Guru> yeah
[07:23] <dbernar11> !ops
[07:23] <ubotu> Help! seb128, bob2, fabbione, lamont, thom, Keybuk, fooishbar, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmich, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia!
[07:23] <sproingie> i've seen solid programs written in korn shell
[07:23] <bob2> dbernar11: ?
[07:23] <Computer__Guru> bash can be a scripting language
[07:23] <dbernar11> just for Shicaca
[07:23] <Druke> bash is useful too
[07:23] <dbernar11> so he knows...:)
[07:23] <nalioth> dbernar11: please dont do that
[07:24] <dbernar11> why?
[07:24] <sproingie> shell has flow control constructs no scripting language has
[07:24] <Shicaca> haha
[07:24] <mebaran151> Bash is very useful
[07:24] <bob2> please don't overuse that
[07:24] <dbernar11> ok, sure
[07:24] <bob2> Shicaca: just copy the file somewhere
[07:24] <Harold> Python applications run on any systems, correct?
[07:24] <Druke> les of course you use a diff shell
[07:24] <nalioth> dbernar11: because you just made every op in here atm look at their screen
[07:24] <bob2> Harold: that has python installed, yes
[07:24] <mebaran151> Harold, where the libs are
[07:24] <mebaran151> yeah
[07:24] <Druke> Harold, aye most
[07:24] <Computer__Guru> any system with python runtimes installed
[07:24] <dbernar11> nalioth: ah:) nice.
[07:24] <Crismo111> Tomcat_ are you alway ther ?
[07:24] <bob2> Harold: python runs on macos, most unixes, windows...
[07:24] <mebaran151> Harold, but if you get into PyGTK
[07:24] <Harold> Whereas C++ apps run pretty much on anything?
[07:24] <mebaran151> then you might get a little hairy
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> i hear emacs has a great python interface
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> for ide
[07:25] <bcarroll> pyGTK can get hairy
[07:25] <Druke> Harold, if c++ works python will work
[07:25] <mebaran151> even GEdit has a decent highlighter
[07:25] <Shicaca> mebaran: it's not a file though ... they give me the text lines and say, "here you go!"
[07:25] <Crismo111> can someone help me plz ?
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> isnt there even a pyIDE package you can get?
[07:25] <bob2> Crismo111: you haven't asked a question yet
[07:25] <bob2> Computer__Guru: there's a couple
[07:25] <Druke> emacs has a ide plug-in like thing
[07:25] <bob2> Harold: that's kinda orthogonal
[07:25] <Crismo111> bob2: yeah but also got problem
[07:25] <Druke> pythong IDE like IDLE, or use emacs
[07:25] <mebaran151> the only ide worth anything is vim and bash :p
[07:25] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  wanna drop a couple names?
[07:25] <Druke> python*
[07:25] <Harold> bob2: Orthogonal?  LOL, I like that...
[07:26] <bob2> Harold: to run a random C++ program on a system, you need to install whatever libraries it needs, and compile it there
[07:26] <Computer__Guru> something X based would be great
[07:26] <bob2> C++'s ABI is pretty brittle
[07:26] <Crismo111> bob2: well i'm trying to open a exe of a game
[07:26] <bob2> on linux, anyway
[07:26] <Crismo111> bob2: with wine
[07:26] <bob2> Computer__Guru: idle, boa constricter
[07:26] <mebaran151> I wish ruby had nice tools though
[07:26] <bob2> Computer__Guru: python with emacs is quite lovely, tho (and vim, of course)
[07:26] <mebaran151> only thing I miss
[07:26] <sproingie> mebaran151: for web apps it has nice tools
[07:26] <mebaran151> it works well in emacs
[07:26] <Harold> Apple is dropping Java support.
[07:26] <mebaran151> sproingie, yep VERY nice
[07:26] <aspro> Harold?
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> emacs :-&
[07:27] <dbernar11> suer...
[07:27] <Harold> aspro: Yes?
[07:27] <aspro> they tout it everywhere
[07:27] <mebaran151> but I like writing in the language as it writes like sentences
[07:27] <aspro> I doubt they would drop it
[07:27] <bob2> Crismo111: so look wherever you installed it
[07:27] <mebaran151> they named the funtions in the standard library pretty well
[07:27] <dbernar11> Java 1.5 - Tiger, Mac OS X 1.4 - Tiger, coincidence? haha
[07:27] <sproingie> looking at catalyst on the perl side,  doesn't look as mature yet
[07:27] <Crismo222> bob2: marc@ubuntu:~$ ls ~/.wine/drive_c
[07:27] <mebaran151> C# looks like a promising language too
[07:27] <Crismo222> astuces_jg  My Documents  Program Files  windows
[07:27] <Crismo222> marc@ubuntu:~$ ls ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files
[07:27] <mebaran151> I think I might take itup
[07:27] <Harold> aspro: Well, maybe I've got the story wrong...apparently, they're sticking with Objective-C
[07:27] <Crismo222> ls: /home/marc/.wine/drive_c/Program: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce typels: Files: Aucun fichier ou rpertoire de ce type
[07:27] <bob2> Crismo222: then look in there
[07:27] <Computer__Guru> bob2:  i take it there's no package for boa-constrictor
[07:27] <bob2> Crismo222: and stop pasting things
[07:28] <sproingie> Computer__Guru: boa-constructor
[07:28] <hacked`> guys, how do i tell my wifi card to use a wep key
[07:28] <Crismo222> bob2: how ?
[07:28] <mebaran151> is objective C easier than C++
[07:28] <bob2> Computer__Guru: there is...
[07:28] <mebaran151> which would be a better compiled language to start with
[07:28] <sproingie> mebaran151: most people would say yes
[07:28] <mebaran151> ?
[07:28] <Crismo222> bob2: check what i past...
[07:28] <aspro> Harold, the cocoa (osx gui) stuff is java and obj-c
[07:28] <bob2> hacked`: how did you configure it to begin with?
[07:28] <Computer__Guru> i see i misread
[07:28] <hacked`> configure what? i didnt
[07:28] <bob2> Crismo222: yes, you didn't look in the right directory
[07:28] <mebaran151> sproingie, even if you have a SmallTalk/ Ruby background
[07:28] <hacked`> i just know how to do iwconfig eth0 essid linksys
[07:28] <Harold> aspro: I have an article here...maybe you can interpret its meaning...
[07:28] <sproingie> mebaran151: objective c is good if you're on a mac ... you'll find virtually no system support on linux for it
[07:28] <bob2> Crismo222: ls ~/.wine/drive_c/"Program Files"
[07:29] <dbernar11> Crismo222: you need a \ before specal characters in a terminal, like the space
[07:29] <sproingie> mebaran151: unless you want to go with gnustep, which frankly ain't that good
[07:29] <bob2> hacked`: then use iwconfig to set the wep key. sudo iwconfig eth1 key 1111
[07:29] <mebaran151> I tired GnuStep
[07:29] <dbernar11> or that
[07:29] <Crismo222> bob2: oh thx you
[07:29] <mebaran151> and regretted it
[07:29] <aspro> Harold, yes?
[07:29] <dbernar11> Crismo222: also, use tab completion
[07:29] <Harold> aspro: One sec...
[07:29] <dbernar11> so, ls `/.wine/drive_c/Progr<tab>
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> oh, Nice... just got my ton of Ubuntu disc sets... x86, 64, & PPC... sweet
[07:29] <nomasteryoda> thanks Ubuntu
[07:30] <nomis_> i got them yesterday :)
[07:30] <sproingie> mebaran151: objective c is certainly simpler than c++.  modern c++ has some powerful stuff it can do with templates.  i just find the syntax heinously verbose
[07:30] <jorgp> nomasteryoda: where are you located?
[07:30] <mebaran151> I found that too
[07:30] <mebaran151> I am look for a little less wordy language
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> Georgia, US
[07:30] <thaUbuntu> nomasteryoda: you are welcome
[07:30] <mebaran151> that is why C# is looking nice at the moment
[07:30] <sproingie> mebaran151: for what task?
[07:30] <jorgp> nomasteryoda: ok, should look for mine then.. Oklahoma
[07:30] <Harold> aspro: One sec again...
[07:30] <Crismo222> THX you so much guys
[07:30] <nomasteryoda> I have ones from Warty release too... these are nicer
[07:30] <mebaran151> sproingie, havent decided
[07:30] <aspro> Harold, np :)
[07:31] <mebaran151> medium sized application development
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> 18 PC, 8 PPC and 5 64s
[07:31] <jorgp> nomasteryoda: when did you order, how long did it take?
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> for the LUG
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> about month ago
[07:31] <jorgp> I ordered mine 6/11
[07:31] <sproingie> mebaran151: i hear ya.  looking for something to tinker with.  could always try haskell, if you don't mind the risk of your brain exploding
[07:31] <nomasteryoda> looks like they actually shipped from Africa
[07:31] <mebaran151> sproingie, have you tried SmallTalk
[07:31] <mebaran151> it has a pretty good web api too now, SeaSide
[07:32] <sproingie> mebaran151: i'm not a big fan of smalltalk.  slate looks interesting tho
[07:32] <Harold> aspro: Found it!
[07:32] <Harold> aspro: Here's the link:
[07:32] <Harold> as
[07:32] <mebaran151> Slate, hmmmm
[07:32] <jorgp> did you get an emai about it or did they just show up?
[07:32] <mebaran151> sprongie, you speaking about ForTran
[07:32] <mebaran151> my father knows Fortran
[07:32] <Harold> aspro: Do you use irssi?
[07:33] <aspro> Harold, the suspense is killing me
[07:33] <Harold> aspro: LOL
[07:33] <sproingie> mebaran151: fortran?  ugh, no
[07:33] <aspro> Harold, nah, xchat
[07:33] <Harold> aspro: LOL, I'm really laughing
[07:33] <mebaran151> that is what I got
[07:33] <mebaran151> Slatec
[07:33] <Harold> aspro: I'm trying to paste!
[07:33] <mebaran151> numerical computation library
[07:33] <Harold> Anyone know how to paste in irssi?
[07:33] <Crismo222> Now how can i launch the .exe ?
[07:33] <Harold> (Everyone's going to say, "Don't tell him!")
[07:33] <mebaran151> sproingie, have they pkged it yet
[07:34] <sproingie> mebaran151: i still havent found many less-verbose languages that weren't either so hard they were mind-blowing, or too trivial to bother with
[07:34] <dbernar1> harold, no.
[07:34] <mebaran151> well python and perl are the two big ones
[07:34] <dbernar1> right click paste.
[07:34] <sproingie> mebaran151: perl pays my salary, pretty much.  but it's just not that interesting to me
[07:34] <Harold> dbernar1: I can't right-click using my PowerBook, sorry.
[07:35] <Harold> aspro: Here: Run a Google search for "apple dropping java"
[07:35] <Harold> aspro: An article will come right up.
[07:35] <mebaran151> sproingie, ruby too ....
[07:35] <aspro> Harold, haha
[07:35] <dbernar1> Harold: f12.
[07:35] <aspro> Harold, that took ages :P
[07:35] <mebaran151> I love Ruby, most beautiful looking language in the world
[07:35] <Harold> dbernar1: Thank you
[07:35] <Crismo333> Bob2: now how can i launch the .exe?
[07:35] <Harold> aspro: Wait a sec...
[07:36] <sproingie> mebaran151: perl6 is getting almost usable now.  ain't pretty by any means, but it's got features up the wazoo
[07:36] <dbernar1> Harold: ya, I use a Mac too.
[07:36] <aspro> Harold, the slashdot piece?
[07:37] <mebaran151> sproingie, I like OOP
[07:37] <Harold> aspro: That's probably where I first picked it up, on Slashdot.  But it's an Apple press release.
[07:37] <mebaran151> and perl just doesnt do that
[07:37] <Harold> dber
[07:38] <sproingie> mebaran151: perligata supports OOP too.
[07:38] <dabar> dabar
[07:38] <sproingie> datibus nullum horum benedictum. # bless \%data, $_[0] ;
[07:38] <aspro> Harold, Ahh, I didnt know that, they arent dropping it entirely, just not improving it... but that is just about the same thing :(
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> 5 days, no cigarettes
[07:38] <mebaran151> what's perligata?
[07:38] <Computer__Guru> wo0t
[07:38] <Harold> aspro: I guess it will be the same thing after a few years.
[07:38] <sproingie> mebaran151: perl in latin
[07:38] <dabar> Harold: so did you paste the link?
[07:38] <sproingie> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html
[07:38] <Harold> aspro: Are you a Java programmer?
[07:38] <Harold> dabar: F12 didn't seem to work.
[07:39] <Computer__Guru> and i live with smokers
[07:39] <dabar> fn+f12?
[07:39] <dabar> it right clicks with f12.
[07:39] <aspro> Harold, yeah, though ive been using python mainly now anyway
[07:39] <bcarroll> comp_guru: congrats
[07:39] <dabar> Computer__Guru: ya, good stuff.
[07:40] <Harold> dabar: No, that seems to switch from xterm to my other applicaton (currently Mozilla).
[07:40] <mebaran151> sproingie, how about Tcl/Tk
[07:40] <Harold> aspro: So which programming language would you recommend a beginner to learn first?
[07:40] <Harold> dabar: Strange anomalies.
[07:40] <HrdwrBoB> Harold: depends what you want to do
[07:40] <dabar> harold, weird, I remember f12 used to right click when I had ubuntu on the iBook...
[07:40] <Harold> dabar: Are you using irssi?
[07:41] <dabar> yes, I am.
[07:41] <Computer__Guru> dabar:  im taking zyban as part of a program.. still damned hard, but the drug __really__ helps
[07:41] <sproingie> mebaran151: well, speaking of dead languages ... tcl is one of 'em.  i wouldn't bother with it
[07:41] <Harold> dabar: Hmmm...well, I'm using an old PowerBook G3.  Maybe there's something different.
[07:41] <mebaran151> sproingie, haha
[07:41] <sproingie> mebaran151: i used to love tcl, but it's really a poor performer and a crippled language
[07:41] <SPCCrow>  /disconnect
[07:42] <aspro> Harold, I guess python is a good one, easy to get your head around and there are quite alot of web resources
[07:42] <HrdwrBoB> yeah lots of good documentation
[07:42] <HrdwrBoB> nice object orient language
[07:42] <sproingie> python's ok.  won't teach you much you don't already know
[07:42] <sproingie> ocaml's not bad for learning new concepts
[07:43] <Harold> aspro: I've begun studying up on C++.  Would you recommend switching to Python learning first?
[07:43] <sproingie> syntax for ocaml can be noisier than perl tho
[07:43] <aspro> Harold, I honestly cant say, Ive never really learnt c/c++
[07:43] <mebaran151> Harold, or try ruby ....
[07:43] <sproingie> Harold: i'd switch to lisp.  runs circles around python
[07:43] <Crismo111> someone can help me ?
[07:44] <Crismo111> if ya got msn it'll be easier
[07:44] <sproingie> Harold: and strangely enough, the compiler for cmucl is called python
[07:44] <Crismo111> ...
[07:44] <Harold> Crismo111: What did you need help with?
[07:45] <Crismo111> Harold: launch exe
[07:45] <Harold> sproingie: The language is called cmucl?
[07:45] <Harold> Does anyone know how to launch exe?  Wouldn't that require a Windows emulator?
[07:45] <mebaran151> sproingie, everyone loves a boa constrictor
[07:45] <mebaran151> Harold, yeah
[07:45] <mebaran151> not worth the trouble
[07:45] <Crismo111> Harold: yeah I installed game with wine
[07:46] <mebaran151> sproingie, did you study latin in school
[07:46] <Harold> Crismo111: It may work, and it may not.  Does wine's website say that game works under the environment?
[07:46] <willie_> how do i get my mouse to work, its a ps/2
[07:46] <willie_> on a fresh install
[07:46] <luminerd> Hello all, I need 20 identical computers with Linux compatibility, budget is $150-$250 per computer.  Where is the best place to look?
[07:46] <Harold> mebaran151: I rember studying a tiny bit of Latin when I was in 4th grade or so.