[02:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:53] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[08:47] <ducasse> good morning
[17:30] <leftyfb> sarnold: would you mind chiming in there?
[17:30] <sarnold> leftyfb: I poked enigma whatsisname in privmsg
[17:30] <leftyfb> thank you
[17:31] <leftyfb> there's a reason that factoid was created and a reason we clarify
[17:31] <sarnold> aye
[17:31] <sarnold> and while Maik was perhaps a bit blunter than I'd prefer there, it certainly didn't warrant the response that it got
[17:33] <Maik> hmmm?
[17:34] <sarnold> Maik: it just felt far more likely to inflame than calm, you know?
[17:36] <Maik> just deal with that troll and we can move on
[17:37] <leftyfb> the first time they joined this channel was yesterday
[17:38] <sarnold> hmm really? I thought the nick looked familiar
[17:38] <sarnold> ahh, #debian on oftc, that's why
[17:38] <leftyfb> maybe you're thinking of pragmaticenigma?
[17:38] <Ravage> i tried to reason with him for the last 2 months on the matrix channel. its pointless :)
[17:39] <Maik> iirc i even banned them from a matrix channel for not willing to reason
[17:39] <leftyfb> ah, so they are a troll and not just a new person who doesn't understand how the support channel works
[17:39] <sarnold> leftyfb: heh, no, he's got a very different mental hashbucket :)
[17:40] <sarnold> leftyfb: enigma* seemed normal enough in #debian
[17:40] <Ravage> he as some "normal" days sometimes
[17:41] <Ravage> and then one day he starts his bad attitude towards everyone because he seems to be the all knowing guy and everyone else is just stupid
[17:41] <Maik> yep,
[17:42] <Ravage> but im sure you wil find that out soon enough. im ok with getting some more popcorn :)
[19:16] <leftyfb> sarnold: it's very productive for enigma to have active volunteers in the channel on ignore so he's typing duplicate and contradictory advice to people looking for help
[19:16] <sarnold> the *most* productive
[19:16] <sarnold> twice as productive!
[19:18] <Maik> mannequin is another troll by the way


[00:54] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, has anyone seen the new wallpaper setting app?
[00:59] <trism> ActionParsnip: is it different than the usual Appearance panel? I installed gnome-control-center-unity yesterday but never logged in to look at it
[01:00] <ActionParsnip> trism: yeah, seems to override the one in appearence too
[05:08] <gnomefreak> anyone else trying to report bug using "ubuntu-bug unity" and apport crashes?
[05:09] <gnomefreak> s/"ubuntu-bug unity" and apport crashes?/"ubuntu-bug unity" and apport crashes?"
[06:31] <simplew> In kde now when the screen locks and i move the mouse to appear the dialog to enter the password, that dialog has copletly changed, is that configurable?
[09:19] <zorael> Are there any plans to use deltadebs in raring?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[13:04] <jtaylor> zorael: to my knowledge no
[17:00] <BluesKaj> looks like 35-40 kwin package upgrades are being kept back in the repos ...good thing too , I mistakenly dist-upgraded and broke the desktop and panel so badly I had to reinstall to /
[19:16] <FernandoMiguel> funky to find that I don't know the #2 http://royal.pingdom.com/2012/11/05/the-state-of-linux-infographic/
[19:17] <IdleOne> it is a fork of mandrake I believe
[19:18] <FernandoMiguel> seems to be
[19:18] <FernandoMiguel> but how did it surpass us ?
[19:18] <Daekdroom> I think that is the distrowatch list.
[19:19] <Daekdroom> And why they didn't tell that (because it is biased) puzzles me.
[19:19] <IdleOne> distrowatch is hardly a good metric for popularity
[19:19] <FernandoMiguel> true
[19:20] <Daekdroom> Lol Lesotho and Madagascar
[19:29] <penguin42> FernandoMiguel: Lots of people switched to Mint
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> their loss
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> I actually find Unity very usable
[19:29] <FernandoMiguel> other than minimizing windows and be unable to restore them
[19:29]  * penguin42 is more surprised Mageia is higher than Fedora
[19:44] <bjsnider> that distrowatch list is a terrible metric
[19:51] <IdleOne> When governments of countries around the world start announcing that they are switching to using Mint or mageia or whatever other distro, then I'll start to believe that they have surpassed Ubuntu.
[20:00] <bjsnider> mint is ubuntu
[20:01] <bjsnider> but you can look at the usage numbers canonical releases, which last time was 20+ million users and then check them against the other distros, in which i would guess no more than 15 or 20 users total is the case
[20:13] <BluesKaj>  FYI , the 3.7 kernel is not able to boot into a DM , it's terribly broken here , had to bypass then remove it from my system in order to boot into Kubuntu 13.04
[20:14] <BluesKaj> actually couldn't even get to a tty
[20:14] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Interesting; my dad's Quantal machine is running a 3.7rc5 daily from a week or two to work around a bug
[20:16] <BluesKaj> penguin42, well it could be hw related , but it froze after detecting the wireless KB and mouse ...had power off and restart
[20:16] <BluesKaj> 13.04 works fine on the 3.5 kernel here
[20:18] <penguin42> BluesKaj: My raring kvm guest boots 3.7.0-3 fine
[20:18] <penguin42> right, time to go
[20:29] <Konstigt> hey boys & girls. best way to install 3.7 in 12.10? i noticed that the latest RR kernels are not complete for 12.10 (missing kernel-headers-*_all.deb)
[20:29] <Konstigt> also kernel.ubuntu.com is down but that is probably temporary..
[20:31] <simplew> how can i do to report a kde bug, but its not specified to any component, an overall kde bug, any help?


[02:50] <jbicha> duflu: hi, I don't have any updates on the headerbar issue besides when I pinged Khurshid in December (which you already found)
[02:52] <duflu> jbicha, OK no problem, thanks. I would like to get us in sync with upstream more, but it's not a topic I'm super-passionate about
[07:08] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:12] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:21] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:31] <didrocks> good morning
[07:34] <duflu> Hello didrocks
[07:36] <didrocks> hey duflu
[08:33] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:38] <duflu> Morning seb128
[08:45] <andyrock> morning desktoppers
[08:50] <seb128> hey duflu andyrock
[09:04] <andyrock> Laney: hey regarding the protobuf thing
[09:05] <andyrock> do you still want to keep the python2 and python3 directories separated right?
[09:05] <Laney> morning, urgh, had that display corruption again
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:06] <Laney> andyrock: yeah, but it should be okay to patch before copying it as the changes are meant to work on 2 and 3 IIRC
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128, how's it going?
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, good! you?
[09:08] <andyrock> Laney: so what's the point on having two separates directories?
[09:08] <andyrock> *separate
[09:08] <didrocks> hey Laney, andyrock
[09:08] <andyrock> hey didrocks seb128
[09:09] <Laney> andyrock: it compiles in each one using a different python version, so to keep the build artefacts separate
[09:09] <andyrock> kk
[09:09] <Laney> moin didrocks
[09:09] <andyrock> thanks :)
[09:09] <Laney> seb128: gear cable on my bike broke while I was riding it last night :-(
[09:09] <Laney> otherwise I'm ok
[09:10] <Laney> had to get the drill out to open up the thing this morning
[09:10] <Laney> one of the screws just disintegrated when trying to unscrew it
[09:10] <Laney> stupid rust bucket
[09:11] <Laney> ANYWAY!
[09:11] <Laney> didrocks: you alright today?
[09:11] <didrocks> I'm ok ;) still the same ear issues for I guess some months, but apart from that, everything is alright
[09:12] <Laney> :'(
[09:13] <willcooke> hi all
[09:13] <duflu> o/
[09:15] <duflu> tjaalton, I tested 4 x laptops today by 3 x versions of libinput. They all really need that fix. Although the newly propsed version feels slightly worse in these cases, it's vastly better than no fix
[09:15] <duflu> Still, we'll wait and see how the proposed patch goes
[09:15] <duflu> If it lands upstream
[09:18] <tjaalton> right
[09:45] <jibel> could someone review the patch attached to bug 1742403 and upload if it's fine?
[09:45] <jibel> it's blocking our tests on  hardware
[09:46] <didrocks> jibel: sure, looks fine, sponsoring
[09:47] <jibel> didrocks, thanks!
[09:47] <didrocks> jibel: only bionic?
[09:48] <jibel> didrocks, yes, although it could be SRUed to artful
[09:48] <jibel> I'll prepare the SRU
[09:48] <didrocks> thanks!
[09:58] <didrocks> jibel: both bionic/artful uploaded
[09:58] <didrocks> (used 3.1 as version for artful SRU)
[10:02] <jibel> didrocks, thank you
[10:04] <kwah> hi, this is concerning bug 1741886
[10:04] <kwah> duflu suggested some actions to upload crash file
[10:05] <kwah> but ubuntu-bug nor apport-cli doe not seem to upload crash-file
[10:05] <kwah> *does not
[10:08] <duflu> kwah, I just updated the bug again
[10:08] <duflu> and good night
[10:21] <andyrock> Laney: how to put more than one origin url in dep-3?
[11:30] <Laney> andyrock: sounds like multiple patch files?
[11:30] <andyrock> yeah I put just the biggest one
[11:30] <andyrock> ah
[11:30] <andyrock> so a patch file for each commit
[11:30] <andyrock> kk
[11:30] <andyrock> I'll update again the debdiff
[11:32] <Laney> do those patches work for you?
[11:32] <andyrock> yep
[11:32] <Laney> sweet
[11:32] <Laney> thanks for trying them :D
[12:11] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, hi
[12:42] <didrocks> jbicha: hey, when you get some time, mind reviewing https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791276?
[13:02] <jbicha> didrocks: is that setting not going to be in gnome-control-center in Ubuntu 18.04?
[13:08] <didrocks> jbicha: on Ubuntu 18.04, it will, on upstream GNOME, it won't
[13:12] <andyrock> Laney: I split the patch in 3 + one to add the python3 directory
[13:12] <Laney> andyrock: you can do the directory bit in debian/rules
[13:12] <andyrock> ah right
[13:13] <Laney> what you had was good in that respect
[13:13] <Laney> just swap 2to3 for the patches
[13:13] <Laney> (imo)
[13:15]  * didrocks notes the lack of h!
[13:17] <Laney> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Mind_flayer
[13:17] <Laney> scary
[13:20] <didrocks> ahah :)
[13:32] <jbicha> didrocks: how do I actually test the patch? what UI respects that setting being turned on?
[13:33] <didrocks> jbicha: nothing yet, basically there is a patch up for review for a couple of months on GNOME Shell, and a reviewed patch in g-s-d, waiting for G-S to be reviewed
[13:33] <didrocks> (see the linked bugs)
[13:33] <didrocks> only the schema has been committed
[13:33] <didrocks> but G-S seems to wait on "where the settings will be accepted" to start a review
[13:34] <didrocks> hence allan opening the bug in Tweaks
[13:34] <didrocks> as Settings isn't going to land as the maintainer wants it to be in accessibility
[13:35] <jbicha> it feels a bit backwards to me, as currently it adds a button that doesn't do anything ;)
[13:35] <didrocks> same :p but at least, if ok OK-COMMIT without pushing it, I think that will be enough
[13:36] <jbicha> maybe we could commit all but the meson part so that it wouldn't actually be shipped but translators could start translating
[13:36] <didrocks> oh good idea
[13:36] <didrocks> want me to split the commit?
[13:37] <jbicha> could you ask Allan or in #gnome-design to review the description wording?
[13:37] <didrocks> jbicha: the description is the one he proposed to me for g-c-c
[13:37] <jbicha> and could you find someone to do a gsettings-desktop-schemas release this week?
[13:37] <didrocks> jbicha: let me forward you that part of that email
[13:38] <didrocks> jbicha: well, if the schema isn't there, basically, the panel doesn't display, correct? (so doesn't really need to have a release this week)
[13:38] <didrocks> and it won't be installed
[13:40] <didrocks> jbicha: fwed the relevant part
[13:40] <jbicha> oh wow, I didn't realize the setting would hide if it can't find the schemas. That's cool
[13:40] <didrocks> jbicha: I made a typo at first on the key
[13:40] <didrocks> took me a good 10 minutes to find why the panel wasn't showing up at all :p
[13:42] <andyrock> Laney: done
[13:46] <jbicha> didrocks: do you have GNOME commit rights?
[13:46] <didrocks> jbicha: I don't
[13:46] <didrocks> jbicha: you want me to split the commits and post this (so that you can commit the settings part without meson)?
[13:48] <jbicha> just a moment, we might need the file in meson in order for the strings to be translatable
[13:49] <didrocks> so actually, not having the schema shipped is a good thing :)
[13:52] <ayan> all: is quarter-tiling enabled in 17.10?  i upgraded (a long time ago) but it doesn't seem to be active.  i wonder how to enable it if possible.
[13:53] <jbicha> didrocks: ok, could you add the sound file to po/POTFILES.in and go ahead and split the meson part into a separate patch?
[13:53] <jbicha> ayan: no
[13:54] <didrocks> jbicha: sure! doing
[13:54] <ayan> jbicha: so quarter tiling isn't available?
[13:54] <didrocks> ayan: it's not implemented yet under GNOME Shell: https://wiki.gnome.org/GeorgesNeto/MinutesOfFeaneron/Tiling
[13:55] <didrocks> planned for 3.30 (3.28 is the current development version)
[13:55] <ayan> ah!  sorry -- i was misread this: http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/whats-new-going-to-be-in-ubuntu-1710-artful-aardvark
[13:55] <ayan> err -- 'i misread this:'
[13:57] <didrocks> half-tiling is available (which is new under GNOME Shell in 3.26, which is what we ship in 17.10), not quarter tiling though
[13:59] <jbicha> *resizable* half-tiling was new in 3.26
[13:59] <didrocks> jbicha: bug updated
[14:09] <jbicha> didrocks: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-tweak-tool/commit/?id=0d0fe3c ( I left out the README change )
[14:10] <didrocks> jbicha: thanks! :)
[14:12] <jbicha> it still would be nice to have a gsettings-desktop-schemas release to make it easier to test on Rawhide or wherever
[14:15] <didrocks> jbicha: yeah, I would try to poke people, hoping having more chances than with the reviews :)
[15:12] <tkamppeter> seb128, kenvandine, hi
[15:12] <kenvandine> hey tkamppeter
[15:13] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, how's it going?
[15:14] <tkamppeter> kenvandine, can you sponsor Avahi for me again? They have pulled Debian's fix for the FTBFS but as my patch did not make it from -proposed to release before, it is not in. I have added a new debdiff to bug 1736757 and reopened it.
[15:23] <seb128> hey tkamppeter
[15:24] <seb128> kenvandine, I can have a look yes
[15:26] <kenvandine> seb128, thanks!
[15:26] <seb128> ups, that was supposed to be a reply to tkamppeter :p
[15:26] <seb128> kenvandine, yw :)
[15:37] <tkamppeter> seb128, as kenvandine is still on vacation (probably answering on his phone from some beach with his kids running around him), can you look into the Avahi upload and also into the other problems, once the systemd bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1721839, upstream https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/7109 and also my NEW packages cpd-libs, cpd-backend-cups, and cpd-backend-gcp?
[15:38] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, i start vacation tomorrow actually :)
[15:38] <kenvandine> seb128, do you have any suggestions for someone that can help look at that systemd issue?
[15:39] <seb128> kenvandine, I would say foundation, xnox or maybe slangasek has another suggestion
[15:40] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, can you try pinging them?
[15:48] <tkamppeter> seb128, is there an IRC channel of the Foundations team?
[15:56] <seb128> tkamppeter, they are on #ubuntu-devel as you figured out :)
[15:56] <seb128> tkamppeter, you better ask your question rather than just saying "hi" and expecting people to repond to that
[16:13] <tkamppeter> seb128, kenvandine, can you do the sponsoring of my Avahi package and also have a look at my packages in NEW?
[16:32] <seb128> tkamppeter, yes
[16:41] <tkamppeter> OK, thanks.
[18:04] <willcooke> night all, off to London tomorrow and in meetings, so might not be around much.  Telegram if you need anything


[09:57] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:59] <mattiag> Hi! Is this the right place to ask support for ubuntu 13.10?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> mattiag, yes
[11:01] <mattiag> Hi BluesKaj, my notebook does not shoutdown/reboot/surpend/hibernate properly anymore after upgrading to 13.10
[11:02] <BluesKaj> mattiag, first thing is to update/upgrade to make sure you have the latest libs etc
[11:03] <BluesKaj> ok, bb in 5 mins
[11:03] <mattiag> Fully updated The model is HP550. The command "sudo halt" does not work. It stops on the voilet csreen with the five dots blinking
[11:03] <mattiag> *violet screen
[11:04] <mattiag> Are there any helpful logs/config files I can check?
[11:09] <mattiag> Oh thanks, I'm waiting for you to come back!
[11:10] <BluesKaj> helpful is the key word , you can try /var/log  and check syslog
[11:11] <mattiag> Great! I already checked /var/log/syslog but I don't know exactly what to search for
[11:12] <BluesKaj> look for a process that hangs ..probly a daemon of some kind
[11:14] <mattiag> Can I use grep to look for any meaningful line and paste it back to you?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> mattiag, you can , but that doesn't mean I can help :P
[11:16] <mattiag> Thanks, of course! I would file a bug if I knew what package to file it against...
[11:18] <mattiag> How can I recognize the first log line after power on, so I can read the last log lines backwise?
[11:21] <mattiag> This one?            "Jun  1 12:27:46 laptop kernel: imklog 5.8.11, log source = /proc/kmsg started."
[11:21] <BluesKaj> not sure but boot.log might give you a hint
[11:22] <penguin42> mattiag: Depends a bit which log you're looking at, in /var/log/messages the first one is normally something like syslogd (some version number): restart
[11:27] <mattiag> Thanks penguin42! But that file does not exist...
[11:29] <penguin42> oh
[11:29] <mattiag> :D
[11:43] <mattiag> Hi, can anyone who has just joined help me with a shotdown problem?
[11:43] <mattiag> *shutdown
[11:46] <penguin42> what's the problem?
[11:47] <mattiag> On "sudo halt" the system hungs on the violet screen whits the blinking dots (laptop HP550)
[11:47] <penguin42> oh that's annoying
[11:47] <mattiag> it is :D
[11:48] <mattiag> same for "sudo reboot"
[11:48] <penguin42> when it first switches to that screen can you hit something like ctrl-alt-f1 to get a text console?
[11:49] <mattiag> I didn't try yet, but I tried to switch to a console and then "sudo halt" and it hungs.
[11:49] <mattiag> Soult I try this now and take a note of what it says when it hungs?
[18:42] <Repent> Repent! for the kingdom of god is at hand!
[18:48] <lordievader> Ugh, another one?
[18:49] <penguin42> well, if it is it had better be checked in soon other wise it won't make the release
[18:53] <bjsnider> i wonder why people waste time with this, just trying to get banned
[18:53] <bjsnider> maybe they're spoofing somebody's vhost, and getting it banned is the goal
[18:53] <bjsnider> but i don't know how to spoof a vhost or even if it's possible
[23:27] <NikTh> Unity Next discussion here ?
[23:33] <penguin42> I think there's a unity channel of it's own (or perhaps ayatana?) - this is more specifically for what's in the current +1
[23:49] <Daekdroom> #ubuntu-unity ?
[23:59] <NikTh> Thanks guys.. I will try those channels


[00:44] <adam__> is the lack of notes etc. support just a chrome related issue, or actual ubuntu one issue?
[00:44] <dobey> adam__: can you clarify what your issue is?
[00:45] <adam__> Our Notes, Contacts and Bookmarks database is not responding at the moment. Don't worry. This is a temporary problem and your data is secure. We have been alerted of the issue and will resolve it promptly. You can also chat with us directly to get the latest information on the issue.
[00:45] <adam__> That's exactly what it tells me on the dashboard
[00:47] <dobey> that likely has nothing to do with chrome then, and is probably an issue with the server side that is happening at the moment
[00:47] <adam__> okay fine by me -
[03:23] <Toph> ?
[08:59] <Elvis> hey there
[09:01] <Elvis> any of the developers on?
[09:26] <Elvis> if anyone is on later, I have a problem with 2 files not being synced to the server properly
[09:27] <Elvis> and could use some help fixing the problem or gathering the necessary info for a bug report
[09:30] <duanedesign> hello Elvis
[09:32] <Elvis> hey duanedesign
[09:33] <duanedesign> Elvis: sync performance is slow right now.
[09:34] <Elvis> yeah, so I've read
[09:34] <duanedesign> :/
[09:34] <Elvis> although the client reported synchronization as being complete
[09:34] <Elvis> while a certain file on my laptop is still not on the server, not even as 'uploading'
[09:35] <Elvis> on my desktop I have the same file, including another one which is also not syncing
[09:35] <duanedesign> Elvis: you can look at :  u1sdtool --waiting-content
[09:35] <Elvis> duanedesign: that gives me empty output
[09:36] <rye> Elvis, that's bug #575817
[09:36] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575817 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Interrupted upload is not retried (affects: 98) (dups: 5) (heat: 498)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/575817
[09:37] <Elvis> rye: I'
[09:37] <Elvis> ll have a look
[09:37] <Elvis> rye: it still seems like a different issue
[09:38] <Elvis> rye: since it is not shown as 'uploading'
[09:38] <Elvis> rye: on the server, it is not shown at all
[09:38] <rye> Elvis, when the file is being uploaded the disconnect causes syncdaemon to _skip_ this file and it _thinks_ that synchronization is completed
[09:39] <duanedesign> restarting the syncdaemon should fix that
[09:39] <rye> nessita has already committed the branch and the client side fix wil be available as SRU
[09:39] <duanedesign> I had a file i put in my U1 folder yesterday. It wasnt showing up just like Elvis
[09:40] <duanedesign> I ran u1sdtool -q; u1sdtool -c  and now it shows up when I do u1sdtool --waiting-content
[09:40] <Elvis> rye: good to hear that
[09:40] <Elvis> duanedesign: I am trying that now, curious about the result
[09:41] <rye> duanedesign, Elvis there is a bug for nautilus extension not showing status properly - bug #585953
[09:41] <Elvis> duanedesign: it shows up in waiting-content now, together with some other files
[09:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585953 in ubuntuone-client "UploadFinished signal is emitted for failed uploads (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585953
[09:42] <duanedesign> thanks rye
[09:42] <duanedesign> rye: is their a current report about removing a computer in Ubuntu ONe Preferences. Then when relaunching U1 the browser does not open to add computer.
[09:43] <Elvis> thanks
[09:43] <rye> duanedesign, hm, so the Ubuntu One token is still available in seahorse?..
[09:44] <duanedesign> rye: let me test it. It is a bug report
[09:47] <Elvis> by the way, was there an issue (feature request) already about showing a list of conflicts somewhere, somehow?
[09:48] <Elvis> instead of having to locate the conflict files manually
[10:15] <rye> Elvis, hm, i don't remember seeing such kind of request but the idea makes perfect sense
[11:01] <gio__> hi fecundobatista
[11:01] <gio__> I discovered that part of my isse was the kernel
[11:02] <gio__> I use 2.6.34-5 on lucid, it seems to stop desktopcouch
[11:02] <gio__> wit 2.6.34-4 it start
[11:02] <gio__> but with u1sdtool -s
[11:02] <gio__> I see "processing queues"
[11:03] <gio__> and u1sdtool --current-transfers
[11:03] <gio__> say me 0 up and 0 downloads
[11:04] <gio__> I'm waiting for about 1 hour
[11:12] <gio__> it seems is similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/575817
[11:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 575817 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Interrupted upload is not retried (affects: 99) (dups: 5) (heat: 502)" [High,Triaged]
[11:12] <gio__> but I have queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[11:13] <rye> gio__, you are experiencing a very slow upload performance. This is server-side issue and coupled with the bug you mentioned this is extremely hard to make the file sync now. We are going to update the system today so that the sync speed will return back to fast
[11:14] <gio__> oh, thanks
[11:14] <gio__> should I update ubuntuone client to the 1.3 in unstalbe ppa?
[11:16] <rye> gio__, hm, regarding 1.3 - not sure yet, since the server-side performance will prevent any client performance improvements from being noticed. We will post identi.ca notice on http://identi.ca/ubuntuone once the update is completed
[11:16] <rye> gio__, re couchdb and kernel versions - could you please provide more info on that ?
[11:17] <gio__> well, today I use 2.6.34-4. Version 2.6.34-5 seems to break couchdb
[11:17] <gio__> dpkg -l | grep couch ii  couchdb-bin                                    0.10.0-1ubuntu2                                 RESTful document oriented database, programs ii  desktopcouch                                   0.6.4-0ubuntu3                                  A Desktop CouchDB instance ii  desktopcouch-tools                             0.6.4-0ubuntu3                                  Desktop CouchDB tools ii  evolution-couchdb
[11:17] <gio__> oh... I post it on pastebin
[11:18] <gio__> just a second
[11:18] <gio__> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=4NZhrPZ6
[11:19] <gio__> (bindwood is installed but disabled)
[11:20] <gio__> last, but important: i use 2.6.34-4 on Lucid, not maverick
[11:27] <gio__> On another pc I use 2.6.32-22 but the issue is still here
[11:30] <rye> gio__, how does couchdb break in this case? (updating maverick installation to see whether that can be reproduced there)
[11:31] <gio__> well, I purged 2.6.34-5, yesterday. Simply, desktopcouch doesn't start on that kernel. But I've not log here.
[11:53] <rye> gio, yup, confirming that desktopcouch-service cannot find the port for couchdb
[11:53] <rye> in maverick
[11:53] <gio> @rye: excuse me, my internet connection dropped :)
[11:53] <gio> oh yes, now I remember this was the error
[12:20] <tom-ubuntu> hello... anybody here ?
[12:21] <rye> tom-ubuntu, yes
[12:54] <tom-ubuntu> hey, sorry.. family issues... I was away from keyboard
[12:55] <Elvis> rye: was afk, but about the idea of conflict overview
[12:55] <Elvis> rye: shall i file it as a feature request then?
[12:55] <tom-ubuntu> is there a general problem with ubuntuone syncronization process ?
[12:56] <Elvis> tom-ubuntu: yes there is
[12:56] <rye> Elvis, i think that would be good - to file the feature request
[12:56] <rye> tom-ubuntu, yes
[12:57] <Elvis> rye: same procedure as filing a bug on launchpad?
[12:57] <tom-ubuntu> ok, I am relieved to hear that.
[12:57] <Elvis> tom-ubuntu: you can check the link on top of this screen for that
[12:57] <tom-ubuntu> I spent couple hours yesterday night to find what my problem was.
[12:58] <Elvis> tom-ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[12:58] <tom-ubuntu> yeah I am on that page now.. found out that link seconds before you mentioned it..
[12:59] <tom-ubuntu> I miss cloud icon on my taskbar. I havent seen that icon since upgrade to 10.4 LTS
[13:00] <tom-ubuntu> btw, tomboy notes syncronizes with no problem..
[13:00] <gio> @tom: icon was removed in Lucid
[13:00] <tom-ubuntu> ah.. I see
[13:03] <tom-ubuntu> thanks for the information.. bye now...
[13:54] <CardinalFang> statik, j0!  If you have time, please put couchdb 0.11 in your PPA.
[14:12] <CardinalFang> rye, so maverick and desktopcouch?
[14:12] <rye> CardinalFang, yes, - it cannot find port
[14:13] <rye> CardinalFang, do you need access to maverick vm to see how it breaks ?
[14:13] <CardinalFang> rye, I'm using Maverick on all my machines.
[14:13] <rye> CardinalFang, wow
[14:13] <CardinalFang> I'm restarting everything.
[14:15] <CardinalFang> rye, it works for me, so far.
[14:15] <CardinalFang> rye, my updates are 1 day old.  I'm updating to see if anything breaks now.
[14:15] <rye> CardinalFang, ok, rebooting and re-testing
[14:19] <Guest70655> hi @ all! Does the cloud work? I installed a new 10.04 since 2 days I just got 1 .pdf file and all (empty) folders. there are small files to and I can't see any traffic and the client get often disconnected automatically. I even tried to re-add this computer, but nothing happens =(
[14:36] <Elvis> Guest70655: currently file sync is extremely slow (see link on top of this page)
[14:37] <Elvis> Guest70655: so the problem you're describing is normal -at the moment-
[14:42] <rye> CardinalFang, RuntimeError: Can not find port of couchdb.
[14:42] <CardinalFang> rye, Hrm.
[14:52] <CardinalFang> rye, send me your log files, please.
[16:39] <benpu> hello... i actually tried to sync some files with ubuntu one... but i didn't have success an so want to remove my account at ubuntu one... i canceled my subscribe of ubuntu one but still can lg in at web interface... is there a chance to remove my account?? thank you... sorry for my bad english
[17:12] <benste> alecu: I was advised to contact you yesterday - because I can't get 2 of my songs within ubuntu one - are you available ?
[17:13] <alecu> hi benste, would you mind telling me the song name and album?
[17:13] <benste> alecu: 1. In A Moment Like This (Eurovision 2010 - Denmark) - Chanée & N'evergreen
[17:13] <benste> Eurovision Song Contest 2010
[17:13] <benste> 2. Butterflies (Eurovision 2010 - Belarus) - 3+2
[17:13] <benste> Eurovision Song Contest 2010
[17:14] <benste> first one might have problems with & and the 2nd with +
[17:14] <benste> that's the only reason I could think of
[17:14] <benste> alecu: btw. all other 37 songs from this album where in the cloud right away
[17:16] <alecu> benste, ok, cool. I'm on a meeting right now; I'll take a look in the server logs when this finishes. thanks for the info.
[17:17] <benste> thx for taking care of this - btw. I've sended a mail to 7digital yesterday but didn't get a real response yet
[17:17] <benste> their auto reply suggested to log in online and try the "locker" and enable the songs again
[17:18] <benste> but I woun't go on disturbing you - should I stay online in this channel for your later feedback
[17:18] <benste> ?
[17:18] <benste> alecu:
[17:18] <benste> ?
[17:21] <alecu> benste, yes, that's 7d canned response, but the locker works differently when used from ubuntuone, so it does not apply.
[17:22] <alecu> yes, please stay online, or ping me tomorrow.
[17:22] <benste> I'll sty online - guess you're not CET right ?
[17:23] <benste> guess I'll stay in this channel ~ next 2 h but might take some time to respond
[17:23] <benste> sry sty = stay
[17:48] <apachelogger> verterok: any news on getting kwallet support into syncdaemon? ... also I noticed that deskto-couch fails to start without gnome-keyring around
[17:49] <apachelogger> indeed it goes down completel because it cannot find a dbus service provider
[18:08] <CardinalFang> apachelogger, right.  Using python-keyring turns out not to be the panacea I hoped for.
[18:08] <CardinalFang> I have a loose plan to work around it.
[18:22] <apachelogger> CardinalFang: currently that sort of blocks me from pushing ubuntuone-kde alpha ^^
[18:23] <CardinalFang> apachelogger, Yeah, sorry.
[18:23] <CardinalFang> apachelogger, working on it.
[18:24] <apachelogger> CardinalFang: well, I'll just drop a patch along with alpha1 and call it a very bleeding edge alpha I suppose :)
[18:29] <dobey> apachelogger: does kwallet in svn not have the new fdo secrets dbus api yet?
[18:30] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:30] <apachelogger> who would care about svn anyway :P
[18:32] <apachelogger> dobey: only seems to be creating the kwallet dbus interface in trunk
[19:39] <bluefirex> hi
[19:39] <bluefirex> i can't connect my ubuntu to ubuntu one!
[19:40] <bluefirex> i'm using ubuntu 10.04 LTS (installed with Wubi)
[19:43] <bluefirex> can I get help?
[19:44] <bluefirex> is there anybody online?
[19:46] <bluefirex> i only want help :( i'm a newbie on Ubuntu One but i know ubuntu
[20:03] <Guest12073> I have the same problem
[20:04] <Guest12073> guess they work on it
[20:04] <Guest12073> duno
[20:05] <verterok> apachelogger: hi, apologize the delay. no news regarding kwallet, sorry :(
[20:05] <verterok> apachelogger: is there a bug for this?
[20:06] <apachelogger> unless there was one before, I dont think so
[20:06] <apachelogger> can report one if you want
[20:06] <verterok> apachelogger: ok, I'll digg
[20:06] <verterok> apachelogger: yes, please :)
[20:06] <apachelogger> k
[20:06]  * apachelogger adds that to his todo :P
[20:21] <apachelogger> verterok: bug 418983 or one specific to getting kwallet supported?
[20:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 418983 in ubuntuone-client "use the new cross platform python keyring abstraction (affects: 3) (heat: 7)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418983
[20:22] <verterok> apachelogger: I think that's ok. thanks!
[20:22] <apachelogger> yw
[20:25] <dobey> yeah i don't think we want to end up supporting N keyring APIs ourselves when there's already a plenty good abstraction to use
[20:25] <dobey> no point writing another one
[20:45] <benste> alecu: hope you've had a nice meeting - sry for leaving this channel earlier, but empathy crashed :-)
[20:45] <mkarnicki> verterok: e-mail sent. good luck with that pile of messages!
[20:46] <benste> alecu: still there ?
[20:49] <alecu> hi benste, I'm checking the logs right now.
[20:49] <benste> alecu: thx
[20:50] <verterok> mkarnicki: thanks!
[20:51] <mkarnicki> verterok: you are welcome!
[21:05] <alecu> benste, looking at the logs, I can only see one download attempt for each of those songs.
[21:06] <alecu> benste, would you mind going to the ubuntuone music store inside rhythmbox
[21:06] <alecu> benste, and then clicking on "my downloads"
[21:06] <benste> nver mind i'll do right away
[21:06] <benste> both or only one ?
[21:06] <alecu> benste, let's try one.
[21:07] <benste> already clicked both
[21:07] <benste> sr
[21:07] <benste> y
[21:07] <alecu> benste, ok, no problem.
[21:07] <benste> btw. are you coding this page ?
[21:08] <benste> if I click on try again I get always back to the first page instead of a refreshed p3 /4 on which I was
[21:08] <alecu> benste, no, I didn't code that page; I only coded a program that fetches the songs from 7digital to the ubuntuone cloud storage.
[21:09] <alecu> benste, yes, that's a bug.
[21:09] <benste> alecu: which seems to reported if you knwo it :-)
[21:09] <alecu> benste, yes, let's try to find if it's already reported, and file it if not.
[21:10] <benste> I'll do you amy concentrate on the copy
[21:11] <benste> alecu: It's not reported yet - I'll do so within https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store
[21:12] <alecu> benste, great. So you've clicked on "retry" for your two songs right now?
[21:12] <benste> i did before my message that I did for two
[21:12] <benste> should I do it again ?
[21:16] <alecu> benste, yes, please click it again for your both your songs.
[21:17] <benste> I'll do in the meantime you may confirm
[21:17] <benste> https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/588462
[21:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 588462 in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store "Using MyDownloads page refreshments prombt to p1/x (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[21:18] <benste> clicked both
[21:18] <mkarnicki> verterok: bah! I might have left my oauth token+secret in MyClientExample, or an invalid pair.
[21:18] <benste> alecu: sry forgot to write you nick - clicked both some mins. ago
[21:19] <verterok> mkarnicki: oh!
[21:19] <verterok> mkarnicki: kill that token :)
[21:20] <mkarnicki> verterok: I'm killing like 30 daily xD but yeah, I'll kill 'em all !
[21:20] <mkarnicki> :D
[21:28] <benste> alecu: still nothing in there ?
[21:28] <benste> did you ever encounter problems with sepcial characters like & and + ?
[21:30] <alecu> benste, we did have some problem with special characters, but it's been solved for over a month now.
[21:31] <benste> possibly the update wasn't yet ported to the ubntu stable system
[21:31] <benste> or is it a server site app ?
[21:31] <alecu> benste, yes, that's a server app.
[21:32] <benste> strange thing is that all other 37 songs in the same purchase and album worked fine - some had to be reloaded but worked after clicking once only
[21:32] <alecu> benste, ok, in order to get more info on your problem, we'll try the edge instance:
[21:33] <benste> edge = upstream one ?
[21:33] <alecu> try clicking only ONE of your tracks in this address: https://edge.one.ubuntu.com/music/store/library
[21:34] <benste> ah !
[21:34] <benste> :-)
[21:34] <alecu> benste, try it only once, so I can check the logs and see if any error shows up.
[21:34] <benste> working !!
[21:34] <benste> and all other files show 0 MB downloaded
[21:35] <benste> alecu: should I click the 2nd one two ?
[21:35] <alecu> benste, no, let's check if the first is downloaded
[21:35] <alecu> benste, check in the files url for u1
[21:36] <alecu> benste, https://one.ubuntu.com/files/
[21:36] <benste> fully downloaded
[21:36] <benste> should i try the other one now too ?
[21:37] <alecu> benste, ok then.
[21:38] <benste> alecu: got the 2nd one too
[21:38] <benste> all is fine now
[21:38] <benste> -- what's the diff between those two versions ?
[21:38] <alecu> benste, ok, cool.
[21:38] <alecu> benste, the edge version always has the latest code, so there must be something that has not reached production yet.
[21:39] <alecu> benste, inside rhythmbox you always get the stable page.
[21:39] <benste> - in rhythmbox I still could quote song failed
[21:40] <alecu> oh, that's weird. Anyway, if the song is in your storage, it means it worked ok.
[21:41] <benste> yip
[21:41] <benste> alecu: most of the suers doens't know that it is a beta - it might be apropriate to add a red label to the shop that it might not always work
[21:41] <benste> or ?
[21:42] <benste> linking to the wiki page would be kind
[21:42] <alecu> benste, what wiki page are you looking at?
[21:43] <benste> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status#Music%20Store
[21:43] <benste> the one quoting that there are many bugs
[21:45] <alecu> benste, oh, right. Well, it's not beta anymore; there are a few errors like the one you've experienced, but we are working on fixing them.
[21:45] <alecu> benste, and by the way: thanks for your help so I can get the logs to fix this problem!
[21:46] <benste> I apriciate the way i was suggesting it but in my view (coming from dropbox) u1 itself is a mess - it's not even usable for the simplyest filesharing
[21:46] <benste> but it sync my notes at least with the web - that's the reason why i didn't remvoe it
[21:48] <benste> and regarding the music store I had to pay 50ct more than on amazon - which I thought would be a nice investment into music store - don't know whether cannonical get's money out of it - but next time I'll defenitly use amazon again -- i think it's a bit early to include it into an LTS release
[21:56] <rye> update about couchdb migration / replication restore - rescheduled to tomorrow morning
[21:56] <rye> US time
[22:06] <devinsba> honk
[23:31] <sille777> any word on when contacts sync will be enabled?


[11:02] <bluesabre> !team | Please take a moment early this week to check if all of your important branch updates have been packaged up and released, let me know if we've missed anything. :)
[11:04] <krytarik> xubuntu-docs just comes to my mind personally here..
[11:20] <flocculant> morning bluesabre
[11:23] <bluesabre> morning flocculant
[11:23] <bluesabre> morning krytarik
[11:23] <flocculant> luckily I can ignore the previous ping :p
[11:24] <flocculant> btw " Am running xfce4 from the Xubuntu-Core iso (freaking brilliant btw)."
[11:24] <bluesabre> krytarik: looks like we have the latest -docs uploaded
[11:25] <krytarik> bluesabre: Morning.  And I think I'll just enable automatic translations export on that for a day or two - then you get to upload that too. :P
[11:26] <bluesabre> krytarik: that sounds like a good idea
[11:26] <krytarik> Ugh, hopefully no syntax errors this time..
[11:29] <flocculant> bluesabre: not long now :p
[11:29] <bluesabre> flocculant: indeed
[11:29] <bluesabre> get to try to fix some bugs this week
[11:29] <bluesabre> hopefully faster than they are reported
[11:29] <flocculant> just looked at the xfpanel switcher bugs - can't confirm ali1234's on the daily
[11:29] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[11:33] <flocculant> bluesabre: but can confirm it on my local install \o/
[11:35] <flocculant> locally I still have x.QA.Experimental ppa
[11:39] <ali1234> i dont understand how you can't reproduce that
[11:43] <ali1234> oh i know
[11:43] <ali1234> you have to add a launcher item to the panel first to reproduce it. i will update the bug
[11:45] <bluesabre> Just merged your fix
[11:45] <ali1234> and i just updated steps to reproduce on the bug :)
[11:46] <ali1234> i can repro it on the live image now
[11:46] <ali1234> it's just that the default layout has no launchers at all
[11:46] <ali1234> bluesabre: thanks :)
[11:47] <flocculant> ali1234: aah ok
[11:48] <flocculant> I know if you move stuff around and remove things it works fine - I guess that'llbe why it fails locally
[12:04] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r678 Set the default value for fadeout in xfce4-notifyd (LP: #176... (by Sean Davis)
[17:10] <ochosi> ali1234: that explains why i failed to reproduce it (never use launchers)
[17:11] <ali1234> it is because launchers are stored outside xfconf, in ~/.local, as .desktop files, and that directory is what the source attribute refers to
[17:11] <ali1234> or maybe its ~/.config
[17:23] <ochosi> ah right
[17:32] <flocculant> ali1234: manually created (not drag and drop ones) appear to be in .config/xfce4/panel here - I assume this doesn't affect your patch?
[17:35] <flocculant> I assume not if I read the patch right
[17:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: crap, we didn't implement any workaround in the greeter or xfdesktop for the upgrade scenario (users need to re-set the wallpaper once after doing the upgrade - maybe worth mentioning in the upgrade notes)
[17:37] <bluesabre> ochosi: hm?
[17:37] <ochosi> didn't the accountsservice location of the user wallpaper change?
[17:37] <ochosi> in bionic i mean
[17:38] <ochosi> so if you have set your user wallpaper in 16.04 and then upgrade to 18.04 it will be (i guess) initially broken
[17:38] <ochosi> https://answers.launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+question/667968
[17:38] <ochosi> (although that person also claims that it doesn't work in a clean install)
[17:40] <bluesabre> I think they use the same path, just a different way to set it over dbus
[17:41] <bluesabre> It might be worthwhile to spotcheck a few upgrade tests
[17:42] <bluesabre> And yeah, if he claims to also see it on a clean install it's likely something different
[17:44] <ochosi> as to your earlier question, i guess i don't have to remind you of the UIFe
[17:44] <ochosi> and then apart from the x-d-s update that you already merged i guess there's nothing much from my side atm
[17:45] <bluesabre> ochosi: yeah, just waiting for somebody to release those updates
[17:45] <ochosi> alrighty
[17:47] <bluesabre> ochosi: which earlier question?
[18:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok ok, it wasn't really formulated as a question... "Please take a moment early this week to check if all of your important branch updates have been packaged up and released, let me know if we've missed anything."
[18:16] <bluesabre> gotcha... I thought that was it, but wasn't 100% :)
[18:20] <ochosi> hehe
[18:20] <ochosi> no worries
[18:56] <flocculant> ochosi: some of the fonts in xfpm appear lighter than others - implies to me they're inactive - screenshot in bug 1764165
[18:57] <flocculant> could possibly have talked about this during the cycle, but can't find any reference to it
[18:58] <flocculant> checked on daily not just here btw ;)
[19:08] <ochosi> flocculant: but that's the same for all tabs with greybird...
[19:08] <ochosi> not limited at all to xfpm
[19:09] <flocculant> oh right
[19:10] <ochosi> just check any other application and compare
[19:10] <ochosi> mousepad prefs: http://i.imgur.com/nWNrEGR.png
[19:10] <flocculant> ochosi: well desktop settings looks ok
[19:10] <flocculant> ochosi: I would expect if I started moving a slider or something that the font would look active
[19:11] <flocculant> anyway *shrug* I guess
[19:12] <ochosi> ah
[19:13] <ochosi> right
[19:13] <ochosi> now i get it
[19:13] <ochosi> sorry, i misunderstood your issue
[19:13] <ochosi> i thought you were talking about the notebook tab text
[19:13] <ochosi> of inactive tabs
[19:13] <ochosi> but you were talking about the gtkscale values
[19:13] <ochosi> those values are just hints, the rest doesn't have the disabled style
[19:13] <ochosi> that's just so that the amount of text in the tabs doesn't get too much
[19:14] <ochosi> and i think that's still a general greybird style
[19:14] <ochosi> desktop settings is still gtk2
[19:14] <ochosi> plus i don't see any scales there
[19:57] <flocculant> ochosi: okey doke - just wanted to make sure it wasn't something you'd want to deal with :)
[19:57] <flocculant> not convinced still though lol
[19:57] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-verve-plugin 1.1.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-verve-plugin-1-1-1-released-tp50903.html (by Isaac Schemm)
[19:58] <flocculant> not seen that word for a long time - and last time it was The Verve
[19:59] <krytarik> flocculant: You got the verve, duude. :P
[20:22] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-verve-plugin 2.0.0 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-verve-plugin-2-0-0-released-tp50904.html (by Isaac Schemm)
[20:26] <krytarik> And looking at the screenshot now, I guess I have to agree with you here.. >_>
[20:26] <krytarik> Looks disabled!
[20:28] <flocculant> yea
[20:29] <flocculant> night all :)
[20:29] <krytarik> Nighty. :)
[22:08] <jarnos> Can you upgrade from Xenial to Bionic before release and maybe perform some tests? I tried the ISO already using grub on existing installation..
[22:14] <jarnos> Is it so that Indicator plugin is not used anymore? I found the xfce-pulseaudio-plugin is great.
[22:17] <ochosi> indicator-sound isn't used anymore
[22:17] <ochosi> xfce4-indicator-plugin is still used
[22:23] <bluesabre> xfpanel-switch can be used to upgrade to the Xubuntu Bionic panel layout after a distro upgrade
[22:57] <GridCube> :(
[22:57] <GridCube> for some reason after today's upgrade i can no longer launch vlc or smplayer
[22:58] <GridCube> smplayer complains that it doesnt have access to libGL.so.1, even tho locate does found it, and vlc says "cannot instantiate dialogs provider"
[23:03] <TJ-> Did you restart the X server after the package upgrades?
[23:06] <GridCube> yes
[23:08] <GridCube> i just tried to install libgl1 and libgl1-mesa-glx and the first one just said "it can not be installed" the second one said that it was in it's most recent version but trying to reinstall it said, "it can not be installed, can't download"
[23:10] <TJ-> libGL is provided by the Xorg drivers for the GPU, so e.g. nvidia provides it's own.
[23:17] <GridCube> i'm using the generic drivers
[23:18] <GridCube> the problem seems to be that libgl is not reachable right now


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[11:37] <ivarela> ...or any irc channel chat where I can get help? :S


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[19:19] <dscassel> JeffIt's usually 8pm at Al Madina, but Bob	 can confirm.


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[11:11] <pcharky> hajiki: Doesnt' have to be the 1st partition, you can have a small (64M) boot partition before it.
[11:12] <Skid> dont suppose anyone knows if its possible to use subtitles with VLC?
[11:12] <hajiki> pcharky, oh didnt know that, i've had so many problems with dual booting windows w/ NTFS. and thats the only way i've gotten around it
[11:12] <halogray_> Hello
[11:12] <jrr> Skid: almost certain it's possible
[11:12] <Loevborg> ompaul, on a laptop it should be a common use case to plug in another mouse which should not require reconfiguring the X server...
[11:12] <frank_b> Hi all. I stopped having sound in my computer. how can I know if it's a hardware problem or a linux problem? is a the any sound log file I can check?
[11:13] <Loevborg> ompaul, by configuring, you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? Is there a way to suppress questions about keyboard etc.?
[11:13] <pcharky> hajiki: The windows partition has to start in the first ?? blocks of the disk
[11:13] <ompaul> Loevborg,  yeap and the most basic mice does not have the 3 button syndrome
[11:13] <ompaul> Loevborg, i do mean that, and I don't know
[11:13] <fangorious> what should I be looking for if I see this/usr/share/samba/panic-action: line 48: mail: command not found
[11:13] <fangorious> " trying to start samba? "
[11:13] <Loevborg> jrr, I can emphasize
[11:13] <IRCMonkey> ok so i make a small partition like 64mb like pcharky said, and go into options to make it a boot partition, and make the larger partition an ext3?
[11:13] <halogray> Googling this is little use as I get tons of guides on how to set up linux dns servers... all I want to know is how to add a known dns server to linux
[11:13] <hajiki> pcharky, oh well doesnt really matter anymore as i no longer dual boot :)
[11:13] <ompaul> Loevborg, however I do know that it suggests sensible options
[11:14] <halogray> What file typically points out what dns servers to use?
[11:14] <hajiki> pcharky, maybe you can help him out with that method as i've never done it
[11:14] <pcharky> IRCMonkey: my setup is: 1: 64M /boot, 2 win, 3 swap, then the rest.
[11:14] <Blejdfist> halogray: edit /etc/resolv.conf or use System->Administration->Networking
[11:15] <pcharky> hajiki: Sure
[11:15] <halogray> Excellent.  Thank you
[11:15] <Loevborg> ompaul, yes, but suggesting dpkg-reconfigure to a neophyte can be embarassing... ("nodeadkeys what??")
[11:15] <pcharky> IRCMonkey: do you have an existing windows partition?
[11:15] <IRCMonkey> so the third "swap" actually contains Ubuntu?
[11:15] <IRCMonkey> yes
[11:15] <unperson> I want to move my /home directory and all subdirectories to a new partition I've created.  I've mounted the partition.  I was simply going to go to /home and cp -a * /mnt/new_home, then I would get rid of the old one and make the appropriate changes to fstab and reboot.  Are there any other options I should add to the cp command?
[11:15] <Loevborg> ompaul, ah maybe "dpkg-reconfigure --default-priority"  wll do the job
[11:16] <ormandj> somebody kick japhet, he's doing on-join messages asking for shell accounts for psybnc or something heh
[11:16] <pcharky> And you're going to (or have) resize that using a tool such as partition magic?
[11:16] <ompaul> Loevborg, there is that,
[11:16] <IRCMonkey> yes i selected "install another OS" and made a 5GB partition formatted for linux
[11:16] <hajiki> IRCMonkey, swap is what Windows considers virtual memory. its its own partition that is used when your ram is all being used up.
[11:16] <IRCMonkey> o.0
[11:17] <hajiki> in a sense it can me backup ram, but on your disk
[11:17] <_jason> unperson:  I did that by following this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46866  everything went smoothly
[11:17] <hajiki> its not as fast as ram tho!
[11:17] <IRCMonkey> yes, i know
[11:17] <johnny_6699> hi people just finshed using the howto
[11:17] <johnny_6699> dual boot
[11:18] <IRCMonkey> if i have 1.5 GB ram, do i really need a swap partition ?
[11:18] <vitriol> can anyone tell me how to get flash working on amd64??
[11:18] <hajiki> you dont 'need' it but its good to have it
[11:18] <ThePyromaniac> ompaul nope that didnt work
[11:19] <hajiki> i have 2GB of ram and use a 2GB swap
[11:19] <Blejdfist> IRCMonkey: the kernel can actually use the swap to improve performance even when you have free RAM
[11:19] <Blejdfist> IRCMonkey: but don't ask me how it works, it's magic to me :)
[11:19] <vitriol> IRCMonkey: do you use hibernate or suspend?
[11:19] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, what did you install and from which media?
[11:19] <IRCMonkey> yes
[11:19] <IRCMonkey> a lot
[11:19] <vitriol> IRCMonkey: those things you use swap
[11:19] <IRCMonkey> ok
[11:19] <pcharky> IRCMonkey: Ground, rule is swap = 2x phys. but i think you're fine with a 500M to 1G swap partition.
[11:19] <hajiki> vitriol, sweet, now thats something i didnt know
[11:20] <vitriol> yep
[11:20] <ThePyromaniac> ompauk, i dont understand. i had breezy working fine on a SATA II HD, i unplugged, took it to my girlfriends, didnt drop it or throw it on the floor and when i plug back in it dies
[11:20] <vitriol> check /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[11:20] <IRCMonkey> so in addition to the 75 GB partition , i need 500M swap, and 5GB for the actual installation. is there any more i need?
[11:20] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, and its on the same cables?
[11:20] <hajiki> ThePyromaniac, did you plug your drive into her computer?
[11:21] <ThePyromaniac> ompaul, same cable, same port. i tried changing the cable but no affect
[11:21] <qmanman>  /topic
[11:21] <vitriol> IRCMonkey: i like to have a seperate /home to keep all of my stuff. it makes it easier to reinstall
[11:21] <ThePyromaniac> ompaul, yes i did. i wanted to rip some of her CD's to ogg, but i forgot im on 64 bit shes on 32
[11:21] <pcharky> IRCMonkey: that's about it, if you want to use hibernate, your swap should be at least the same size as your physical memory.
[11:21] <IRCMonkey> ok
[11:21] <tyler_durden> where do i find xorg.conf?
[11:21] <Blejdfist> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:22] <IRCMonkey> so i should make the 5GB a ext3, and 500M as swap?
[11:22] <kevogod> Where does Evolution Data Server store its configuration files?
[11:22] <pcharky> kevogod: ~/.evolution
[11:22] <twysted> ThePyromaniac> it must have been somehow shocked or something to render it not able to work :(
[11:22] <IRCMonkey> that would be the end of my annoying questions..:)
[11:22] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, I have no idea what that could have done to your disk
[11:22] <kevogod> pcharky, No, it doesn't.
[11:22] <Loevborg> Blejdfist knows the black magic to write lines that start with "/". Chapeau!
[11:22] <kevogod> pcharky, That is where Evolution stores it configuration.
[11:22] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, can you see the disk from the liveCD?
[11:22] <pcharky> kevogod: sorry again.
[11:23] <mylastmorning> anyone know how to rename USB thumbdrives?
[11:23] <ThePyromaniac> how would i do that?
[11:23] <hajiki> does SATA automatically adjust to being master or slave? might he need to reset the jumpers?
[11:23] <Blejdfist> Loevborg: :P
[11:23] <nalioth> hajiki: sata has no jumpers
[11:23] <twysted> sata runs its own channels
[11:23] <hajiki> nalioth, really? i thought mine did
[11:23] <twysted>  1 hdd per cable :)
[11:23] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, are you using the a 64bit live cd ?
[11:23] <tyler_durden> ok and i just installed nvidia-settings, but how do i use it now?
[11:23] <kevogod> I thought SATA had that one jumper.
[11:23] <ThePyromaniac> yes
[11:23] <IRCMonkey> ok im gonna try everything u guys told me to do
[11:24] <pcharky> IRCMonkey: good luck
[11:24] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, does it see the hard drive?
[11:24] <twysted> kevogod it might but i dont think its for M/S
[11:24] <IRCMonkey> ill be back to tell u how it went :)
[11:24] <IRCMonkey> THANKS!!!!
[11:24] <ThePyromaniac> nope, it never does
[11:24] <kevogod> twysted, Oh, not it's not for M/S.
[11:24] <kevogod> *no
[11:24] <mylastmorning> QUESTION: does anyone know how to rename drives?
[11:24] <twysted> ThePyromaniac> when u plug it in i take it the bios doesnt even see it righto?
[11:24] <tyler_durden> ok and i just installed nvidia-settings, but how do i use it now?
[11:25] <pcharky> mylastmorning: What do you mean by "rename drives"
[11:25] <ompaul> ThePyromaniac, okay stupid question can you check your power cable
[11:25] <hajiki> mylastmorning, what do you mean rename drives
[11:25] <mylastmorning> pcharky, like a USB thumb drive
[11:25] <Mustard5> type sudo nvidia-settings in terminal
[11:25] <ThePyromaniac> twysted, thats the odd thing, right when it says "no valid device. please press any key to continue..." it says 1 - WDC bla bla bla (hard drive name)
[11:25] <pcharky> mylastmorning: what like it?
[11:25] <mylastmorning> hajiki like a USB thumb drive
[11:25] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : dont prephrase questions with QUESTION, a ? does he trick
[11:25] <hajiki> mylastmorning, what name does it have now that you want to rename it to
[11:26] <ThePyromaniac> ompaul you mean my trusty lil molex?
[11:26] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : and you mount the drives @ a different place, look into /etc/fstab
[11:26] <mylastmorning> hajiki, its named as, 128, I want to rename it thumbdrive
[11:26] <twysted> ThePyromaniac> hmmm so it is seeing it, i wonder if somehow it messed up your mbr or something, i could maybe suggest doing an inplace reinstall and just tell ubuntu to NOT format
[11:26] <pcharky> mylastmorning: lsuactiafner has the answer
[11:26] <ompaul> aye is it anchored in a secure fashion on both ends
[11:27] <hajiki> mylastmorning, can you right click the icon on the desktop and select rename?
[11:27] <tyler_durden> k now, i just installed my nvidia card but it looks like my refreish rate is set to about 60 because i see those lines all over moving, but its set to 75. how can i fix it?
[11:27] <hajiki> mylastmorning, if not do what lsuactiafner said, and look at /etc/fstab
[11:27] <jeff303> can someone tell me which packages I need to get to see man pages for pthreads, and time.h?
[11:27] <ThePyromaniac> twysted, so reinstall and not format ANY partition? not even / ?
[11:27] <jeff303> I assume it's all in some core doc package
[11:27] <twysted> ThePyromaniac> correct
[11:27] <ThePyromaniac> twysted ok thanks man
[11:27] <lsuactiafner> if you want to rename a flash drive you need change the filesystem properties ect.. i dont recommend you screw around with it
[11:27] <mylastmorning> no hajiki
[11:27] <twysted> ThePyromaniac> your welcome
[11:28] <lsuactiafner> jeff303 : you should look on google
[11:28] <Blejdfist> jeff303: manpages-dev maybe?
[11:28] <tyler_durden> k now, i just installed my nvidia card but it looks like my refreish rate is set to about 60 because i see those lines all over moving, but its set to 75. how can i fix it?
[11:29] <Dreamglider> when ubuntu boot's is there a log file saved ?
[11:29] <Dreamglider> a boot log file ?
[11:29] <pcharky> Dreamglider: dmesg
[11:29] <shutson_> Question: How do I mount an ext3 filesystem that I just creaded on a new HD?
[11:29] <thewayofzen> upgrading to BREEZY.. following the wiki in the topic.. last time i did it (two weeks ago) it broke EVERYTHING and i needed to reinstall.. any one have any tips?
[11:30] <pcharky> Dreamglider: and you can enable bootlogd by editing /etc/default/bootlogd
[11:30] <twysted> tyler_durden, sudo nvidia-settings
[11:30] <thewayofzen> getting alot of this :
[11:30] <tyler_durden> what am i gonna do with that?
[11:30] <mylastmorning> lsuactiafner, when doing what you said, it only gives me the information and not the name of it.
[11:30] <ompaul> thewayofzen, no use pastebin
[11:30] <tyler_durden> im talking about the refresh rate, it looks as if im at 60 because i see lines moving all around
[11:30] <tyler_durden> but its set on 75..
[11:30] <thewayofzen> ok
[11:30] <Mustard5> tyler_durden, type it in your terminal
[11:30] <kevogod> tyler_durden, What is your resolution set to?
[11:31] <twysted> shutson_ 'sudo mount /dev/device /mnt/mountpoint
[11:31] <tyler_durden> 1024 768
[11:31] <ompaul> !tell thewayofzen about paste
[11:31] <tyler_durden> mustard5 i did but there is nothing relevent there
[11:31] <smaugslayer> i just bought a new FP that has a native resolution of 1600x1200.  I using a Radeon 9600 that should be able to drive that resolution.  However, ubuntu is shoing 1280x1024 as max.  Any way to change this so I can run at native resol?  Thx for the help!!
[11:31] <paulproteus|lapt> !resolution
[11:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:31] <tyler_durden> i think u can change it at dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:31] <smaugslayer> thx, ill look
[11:31] <tyler_durden> mark those 1600x? resolution there
[11:32] <Dreamglider> when it boot's and says it is "starting things ...... OK" i get two erroes but it goes so fast i cant read see what has an error
[11:32] <twysted> tyler_durden look at the url ubotu posted
[11:32] <hajiki> smaugslayer, yes you probably just need to add that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:32] <tyler_durden> oh im not identified
[11:32] <tyler_durden> one sec
[11:32] <thewayofzen> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2890
[11:32] <thewayofzen> those errors look like bad to me
[11:32] <thewayofzen> or is that normal
[11:32] <tyler_durden> ok twysted can u tell the bot to send it again?
[11:33] <twysted> !ubotu tell tyler_durden about resolution
[11:33] <Blejdfist> thewayofzen: try running dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:33] <paulproteus|lapt> thewayofzen: It's not a big deal.
[11:33] <paulproteus|lapt> thewayofzen: Wait until the end of your dist-upgrade.
[11:33] <paulproteus|lapt> Run perl.
[11:33] <mylastmorning> hajiki both didn't work.
[11:33] <paulproteus|lapt> If you still get the errors, *then* you should dpkg-reconfigure locales.
[11:33] <mylastmorning> does anyone know how to rename drives?
[11:34] <tyler_durden> what could be causing those lines though? could it be the resfresh rate?
[11:34] <mylastmorning> does anyone know how to rename USB drives?
[11:34] <Blejdfist> you could also run "locale" to see that it all looks ok
[11:34] <nalioth> mylastmorning: since nobody is answering here, why not ask uncle google?
[11:35] <mylastmorning> nalioth, I only come here when all efforts have been lost ^_^
[11:35] <pcharky> mylastmorning: make a new mountpoint, and record the device in your /etc/fstab
[11:35] <Mustard5> mylastmorning, the name is dependant on the mountpoint I think...
[11:35] <mylastmorning> pcharky I've tried that. I don't know what I'm doing all it says is this "/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0"
[11:36] <mylastmorning> I belive otherwise Mustard6
[11:36] <mylastmorning> I belive otherwise Mustard5
[11:36] <pcharky> mylastmorning: okay, type: mount
[11:36] <thewayofzen> paulproteus,  how do i know which locales are the ones i want  ar_om.UTF.8 ?? that stuff looks foreign
[11:37] <pcharky> mylastmorning: paste the output at: pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:37] <holden> Does anyone know where to get good video codecs?  I installed spamassasin but it still does not  do anything.
[11:40] <nalioth> _jason: you are out of luck
[11:40] <lsuactiafner> ubotu : who broke you?
[11:40] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:40] <holden> lsuactiafner, will do. I'll back :)...
[11:40] <_jason> nalioth: I see... ok thanks
[11:41] <qmanman> anyone running an ATI based laptop in here?
[11:41] <mylastmorning> ok done pcharky
[11:41] <pcharky> mylastmorning: now, add a new line :/dev/sde1 /media/thumbdrive vfat user,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077 0 0
[11:41] <El_Che> qmanman: i do
[11:41] <lsuactiafner> {A|M}Ed_Gein : not sure if this works but @ grub menu type out the linux kernel name, Linux initrd=/bin/sh
[11:41] <qmanman> El_Che: hows it run?
[11:42] <qmanman> El_Che: what graphics card?
[11:42] <ed_gein> lsuactiafner: hmmmm
[11:42] <_jason> nalioth:  I guess that can be my project for today ;)
[11:42] <Loevborg> ed_gein, not initrd, give it  "init=/bin/bash" on the grub command line
[11:42] <hajiki> i have an ati based laptop
[11:42] <thewayofzen> trying apt-get install ubuntu-desktop  before reboot into breezy
[11:42] <thewayofzen> getting this
[11:42] <thewayofzen> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2893
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> {A|M}Ed_Gein : then it might boot you into a rootshell if it works like lilo, and then run passwd to change the passwd, tho... if all else fails replace the /etc/passwd and /ect/shadow root account with a copy of an account you know the passwd of
[11:42] <thewayofzen> tried with synaptic and in terminal
[11:42] <qmanman> hajiki: does it work well for you? what video card?
[11:42] <El_Che> qmanman: the opensource driver works fine, but needed to install the one from ati in order to connect to a monitor using the digital port
[11:43] <El_Che> qmanman: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10]
[11:43] <nalioth> thewayofzen: do you have backports in your sources.list?
[11:43] <hajiki> qmanman, it works ok,its a mobile 7500
[11:43] <nalioth> thewayofzen: or any unofficial repos?
[11:43] <thewayofzen> nalioth,  all i have in my breezy list is the ones from the wiki
[11:43] <thewayofzen> thast it
[11:43] <Loevborg> ed_gein, I think you need to press "e" or sth like this with grub
[11:43] <qmanman> El_Che: sound and everything else runs fine?
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> is init= specific to grub?
[11:43] <qmanman> hajiki: do you use the opensource driver?
[11:43] <ed_gein> lsuactiafner: there's only one account on the machine (mine) I had to install windows(prorpietary crap for school) and haven't booted linux for 2 months I can remeber the password just not what is upper or lower case
[11:44] <mylastmorning> that just made it dissapear pcharky
[11:44] <nalioth> thewayofzen: if you already upgraded your sources.list while using hoary, you are not gonna be able to install hoary ubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <hajiki> qmanman, yeah the default one
[11:44] <pcharky> mylastmorning: made what disappear?
[11:44] <thewayofzen> nalioth, the only items in my sources.list are the ones pasted directly from the wiki
[11:44] <mylastmorning> the thumb drive pcharky
[11:44] <thewayofzen> nalioth,  the wiki says to install ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop
[11:44] <thewayofzen> before reboot
[11:44] <nalioth> thewayofzen: if you are in hoary now, wanting to install hoarys ubuntu-desktop, you have to use hoarys sources.list
[11:45] <pcharky> mylastmorning: did you do other things beside what i told you?
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> ed_gein : if you can get the /etc/showdow and /etc/passwd files and give me the passwd i can crack it quickly enough by trying brute force
[11:45] <qmanman> hajiki: cool thanks, I ask because I'm looking at a laptop with an RX700 and I'm not sure about the ATI drivers at this point
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> ed_gein : will try john the ripper, just might work
[11:45] <thewayofzen> nalioth,  even after ive switched the sources.list to the breezy ones for the upgrade?
[11:45] <El_Che> qmanman: yep, but sound is not from ati
[11:45] <lsuactiafner> ed_gein : but i think init=/bin/sh will work easier
[11:45] <qmanman> mmm ok
[11:45] <hajiki> qmanman, i wanted to use the close sourced ATI ones but they dont seem to support my card
[11:45] <nalioth> thewayofzen: you've got your machine trying to shove pkgs it cant use into your box
[11:45] <thewayofzen> nalioth,  ive erased the hoary repos replaces with the breezy from the wiki.. done apt-get update.. then apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:45] <El_Che> qmanman: every single piece of this laptop works, except a weird sd-card reader
[11:46] <ed_gein> let me track down a knoppix cd and see what I can come up with
[11:46] <nalioth> thewayofzen: put your sources back to hoary if you want ubuntu-desktop now
[11:46] <qmanman> cool
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> or replacing the root account with root:$1$mWlMe5mq$iJUekgbrIoIF0xoHBXiSr/:13064:0:99999:7:::
[11:46] <lsuactiafner> passwd is qwerty
[11:46] <El_Che> qmanman: it's a hp (there a special custom cd's from ubuntu)
[11:46] <Jipjip> qmanman X7oo is new and still not supported by the open-source driver
[11:46] <nalioth> thewayofzen: otw, reboot into breezy and install ubuntu-desktop there
[11:46] <tyler_durden> how do i remove my old ati drivers?
[11:46] <tonyyarusso> I lost my cdrom drive.  How can I add it back so it's recognized?  When I try to mount, I get an error that special device /dev/scd0 does not exist.  What do I do?
[11:46] <mylastmorning> yes pcharky.
[11:46] <thewayofzen> nalioth,  thats the asnwer i needed thanks.
[11:46] <Dreamglider> ok at boot i get a error when "Setting up general font..." Error is "set_kernel_font: invalid argument"
[11:46] <thewayofzen> reboot to breezy then install
[11:46] <thewayofzen> sorry
[11:46] <qmanman> Jipjip: yar, thats why I'm kinda of the fence since I'll nee to use ATI's driver
[11:46] <nalioth> tyler_durden: sudo apt-get remove fgrlx or whatever the package is clled
[11:46] <El_Che> qmanman: on the other hand, the same was true (working) for my former laptop, an ibm thinkpad t23
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> and just so everyone knows my root passwd aint qwerty and the gateway blocks access to this pc..
[11:47] <tyler_durden> =/ i dont know what its called lol
[11:47] <ed_gein> wtf is dinging
[11:47] <Dreamglider> anyone able to help me with that !
[11:47] <pcharky> mylastmorning: sudo mkdir /media/thumbdrive
[11:47] <Jipjip> qmanman . they will probably be there quickly
[11:47] <qmanman> I hope
[11:47] <ed_gein> wtf is dinging
[11:47] <tyler_durden> how do i enable num lock by default?
[11:47] <Pajj> does anyone know a good deskcam type program? like auto capture every x seconds and auto ftp uload
[11:47] <El_Che> qmanman: i had beter experience with the ati driver from ati (they have an gui installer) than the one in the ubuntu repository
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> Is there a way to manually add a special device to fix that?
[11:47] <lsuactiafner> i think he wants to rename the device not the mount point.. but anyways..
[11:48] <qmanman> El_Che: yeah thats what the forums seem to tell me
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> ed_gein : mind the language
[11:48] <El_Che> qmanman: ah, ok, didn't know that
[11:48] <lsuactiafner> so do you want me to crack or it will you follow the init=/bin/sh advice?
[11:48] <ed_gein> gonna try the init advice first
[11:48] <qmanman> El_Che:http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16834115196
[11:48] <thomas_> is it possible to enable usplash for a vanilla kernel?
[11:49] <tyler_durden> nalioth, i didnt install my ati with apt-get
[11:49] <flam> do i need the dm_mod module in the kernel? mkinitramfs warns me that i haven't got it when i make myself a new initrd img
[11:49] <tyler_durden> i installed it using the gui installer from ati
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> It's obviously still recognized by the BIOS and such, and still spins up when a CD is inserted, but linux won't see the drive.
[11:49] <Skapare> so what is the ultimate advantage of Ubuntu over Debian for a desktop?
[11:49] <qmanman> El_Che: this one I'm looking at is pretty much all ATI based.......
[11:49] <ed_gein> its a 16 digit alpha numeric password it might take a bit
[11:49] <ed_gein> hopefully
[11:49] <lsuactiafner> ok but priv msg me if you dont get it correct, i'll check logs later, afk
[11:49] <nalioth> tyler_durden: remove it in the reverse of the way you installed it
[11:49] <ed_gein> cool
[11:49] <Mustard5> Skapare, the name is cooler :)
[11:49] <tyler_durden> i installed it using terminal with sh /. blah
[11:49] <nalioth> Skapare: newer packages
[11:49] <tyler_durden> how do i remove that?
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : ubuntu is more suited for the desktop
[11:50] <Skapare> Mustard5: the name is just as long
[11:50] <mylastmorning> how do you remove grub loader?
[11:50] <none_-> Skapare, gauranteed release cycle
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : you dont.
[11:50] <wanted> help
[11:50] <mylastmorning> lsuactiafner, I have to
[11:50] <ngd> mylastmorning: you dont
[11:50] <Skapare> lsuactiafner: people say that, but in what way?
[11:50] <mylastmorning> ngd I have to
[11:50] <ngd> mylastmorning: or you do it damn carefully
[11:50] <nalioth> mylastmorning: with a win98 boot disk
[11:50] <ngd> mylastmorning: why?
[11:50] <El_Che> qmanman: are you buying online?
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : without grub you cant boot your pc, you dont remove kernels either since you dont know what you are doing
[11:50] <El_Che> qmanman: otherwise, a live-cd will tell you a lot
[11:50] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : if you want linux to work you dont.
[11:50] <Skapare> nalioth: so it's more up to date than Debian, at least for desktop stuff?
[11:50] <anethema> anyone know if there is a easy way to get rlocate instead of slocate working in ubuntu ?
[11:50] <qmanman> El_Che: yeah I think I'm getting it from newegg
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : packages are newer and made for desktops.
[11:51] <mik__> hi all
[11:51] <mylastmorning> lsuactiafner... I need to! because I installed it on someone's PC and now they don't want linux so they're going back to windows.
[11:51] <ep> How can I verify that I'm not running the ntp dameon?
[11:51] <qmanman> El_Che: I think COMPUSE has acer, going to see if they have it
[11:51] <qmanman> err COMPUSA
[11:51] <nalioth>  Skapare yes, from a users viewpoint it is more up to date (plus 6 month release cycles)
[11:51] <mylastmorning> nalioth, would a windows 2000 CD work?
[11:51] <mik__> i'm french and i want help
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : just install windows over linux
[11:51] <anethema> ep, : do a: ps ax | grep ntpd
[11:51] <Skapare> nalioth: you mean like it doesn't drag on for years like Debian?
[11:51] <khaled> mylastmorning:  which version of windows
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> mylastmorning : or make windows 'repair' the boot sector
[11:51] <anethema> if it shows up, its running
[11:51] <mylastmorning> I tried that lsuactiafner, it's still their.
[11:51] <paul_> hello nick I m french too
[11:51] <nalioth> Skapare: exactly
[11:51] <lsuactiafner> tho i have no idea how windows works..
[11:51] <mik__> i wanna install steam for play counter strike in ubuntu
[11:52] <mylastmorning> its XP
[11:52] <Skapare> nalioth: and has 2 major releases a year like Slackware?
[11:52] <lsuactiafner> master boot record. not jsut the boot sector..
[11:52] <mats_> cedega does it
[11:52] <mats_> mik__: install cedega
[11:52] <Skapare> nalioth: and OpenBSD :)
[11:52] <dell500> does anyone else have a problem with GAIM quitting out of nowhere?
[11:52] <khaled> mylastmorning: do you have the xp cd?
[11:52] <paul_> i m sorry je sais pas.
[11:52] <tyler_durden> how do i remove an item from the application menu? i cant through application menu editor, it didnt come with ubuntu
[11:52] <Mustard5> dell500, no
[11:52] <mats_> dell500: no :)
[11:52] <qmanman> lastmorning: win200 CD will work
[11:52] <tyler_durden> i mean the item in the menu didnt come with ubuntu
[11:52] <nalioth> Skapare: yup. visit www.ubuntulinux.org and/or wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[11:53] <qmanman> lastmorning: yse the "recovery console" option and type "fixmbr"
[11:53] <GhostFreeman> how can I find out my system_username from bash?
[11:53] <anethema> sometimes when i refresh the gnome-panel gaim quit
[11:53] <anethema> s
[11:53] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : but slackware doesnt have packages, but i'm not saying ubuntu is better than slackware, ubuntu is better suited to the lazy and the noobs and ppl with no tech ability
[11:53] <twysted> slackware has packages
[11:53] <qmanman> lastmorning: XP works same way
[11:53] <Skapare> lsuactiafner: slackware has packages ... I've installed them
[11:53] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: i resent that remark. ubuntu is good for everyone
[11:53] <anethema> twysted, yeah but no real good pkg managment
[11:53] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : and desktop users.. i fall into the lazy part, tho my system is a hyrbid ubuntu and slackware
[11:53] <lsuactiafner> twysted : package manager
[11:53] <hwaara> everyone, in which package are the strings for the ubuntu installer?
[11:53] <anethema> its certainly not apt
[11:53] <iafd> it doesn't have automated dependency stuff, though
[11:53] <iafd> plus
[11:53] <Mercutio150> ok can somone tell me what applications is suppossed to run MP3's??
[11:53] <mik__> i've installed cedega but the steam say i haven't activeX installed for my bronwser
[11:54] <twysted> i like slackwares pkg management yes i cant APTget files but wgetting them does the same thing :D
[11:54] <Mustard5> Mercutio150, XMMS
[11:54] <iafd> most of the packages you get (off linuxpackages.com, or whatever?) are unofficila, if I recall correctly.
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : ubuntu is a better desktop
[11:54] <Skapare> iafd: true ... but that's not a selling point for me
[11:54] <mats_> Mercutio150: you need gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3s
[11:54] <khaled> mylastmorning:  if you have a winxp cd, then, boot to it, choose recovery console, enter the admin passwd, and then type fixboot
[11:54] <tyler_durden> so no one knows how to remove an item from the application menu?
[11:54] <Mercutio150> does it come in the Ubuntu package?
[11:54] <twysted> yes because its all 3rd party software
[11:54] <anethema> i used slack from like 1996 or so till i installed ubuntu a few months ago..i can say i like ubuntu MUCH better even though i know my linux pretty good
[11:54] <iafd> pretty much everything on linux is third part.
[11:54] <Mercutio150> how do I get that?
[11:54] <iafd> *party
[11:54] <malv> is there a trick to get the totem mozilla plugin working correctly?
[11:54] <Skapare> iafd: I get the packages in the official Slackware distribution, and anything else I compile from source anyway
[11:54] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : but i still think slackware is more solid and predictable, but ubuntu comes pretty close. remember slackware is more like unix and freebsd than other linuxes
[11:54] <malv> it plays for half a second and stops
[11:54] <Mustard5> Mercutio150, yes..use synaptic
[11:55] <mats_> Mercutio150: no :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia?highlight=%28media%29
[11:55] <iafd> makes sense.
[11:55] <twysted> i do ubuntu for all my servers, slackware for desktop
[11:55] <anethema> twysted, you dont find that a little backwards?
[11:55] <Blejdfist> malv: yes, uninstall it and use the mplayer-plugin instead :P
[11:55] <iafd> i much prefer slacks rc stuff, though
[11:55] <anethema> heheh
[11:55] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: that is not in dispute, but i'm neither lazy, a n00b and i have over 10 years of using linux behind me
[11:55] <khaled> mylastmorning: if win does boot from grub, just type fixmbr
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : i used to run slackware but now i run ubuntu, before ubuntu i used slackware for 4 years
[11:55] <Skapare> twysted: that sounds twisted to me :)
[11:55] <twysted> hehe
[11:55] <anethema> iafd, i also MUCH MUCH prefer slacks rc stuff
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> i still make my own kernerls and mplayer ect
[11:55] <mats_> Mercutio150: "MP3: Due to licensing restrictions, MP3 support couldn't be included by default in Ubuntu. To enable MP3 support you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad which is included in the Universe repository." -- its all on the page ;)
[11:55] <twysted> its just personal preference my friend is just like that as well hehe
[11:55] <Skapare> twysted: it seems like slackware for servers and ubuntu for desktop would be the way to go
[11:55] <lsuactiafner> well i use ubuntu because i'm lazy and has offical 64bit support
[11:56] <Mercutio150> ok thanks, don't suppose you konw anything about ati drivers??
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> and its better desktop
[11:56] <twysted> meh
[11:56] <iafd> i would use freebsd or slack if I had the choice. on a server.
[11:56] <anethema> Skapare, you ever use rlocate?
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> so it depends on your needs.
[11:56] <TheRedCheese> hi
[11:56] <Skapare> anethema: heh ... I actual write my own rc system entire from scratch
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> both distrobutions are close to being perfect
[11:56] <Skapare> anethema: nope, never used rlocate
[11:56] <mats_> Mercutio150: bring the question ;) if i cant answer, maby some one else can
[11:56] <twysted> well i use ubuntu because it is debian based, its easy to update, hell my is (xmission.com) uses debian on almost 90% of theyre servers
[11:56] <il_padrino> i need help
[11:56] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : same
[11:57] <nalioth> il_padrino: ask
[11:57] <mats_> il_padrino: ok?
[11:57] <Mercutio150> well I've been wrestling with drivers for my ati radeon 7000 vid card
[11:57] <il_padrino> i have a nvidia (and breezy)
[11:57] <il_padrino> i can't install the driver of nvidia.com
[11:57] <Skapare> being able to update with source code is what is really important to me, but principly for servers
[11:57] <ngd> has anyone tried replacing the boot system on Ubuntu to try and tweak some speed out of the thing
[11:57] <Mercutio150> I had one site but I get past some of it
[11:57] <lsuactiafner> il_padrino : because you dont have build-essentials installed.
[11:58] <il_padrino> the msg say that i have gcc-4.0
[11:58] <iafd> i dunno if it's the system so much as the amount of stuff?
[11:58] <Dreamglider> ok at boot i get a error when "Setting up general font..." Error is "set_kernel_font: invalid argument" can anyone help ?
[11:58] <il_padrino> but the gcc of my kernel is gcc-3.4 :S
[11:58] <nalioth> Dreamglider: install more fonts
[11:58] <Skapare> even with slackware, I uninstall (or just don't install to begin with) the major programs like apache, etc ... and install them by grabbing latest source and compiling them
[11:58] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : i run a slackware server also, feels more secure since i know slackware better.
[11:58] <ctw> Hi! Is there a way to install the latest realplayer version with apt-get or dpkg (i.e. is there a .deb file available)?
[11:58] <Skapare> lsuactiafner: I know the feeling
[11:58] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ctw about realplayer
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : but you should really give ubuntu the benefit of the doubt
[11:59] <Skapare> lsuactiafner: but for having a CD to quickly install a desktop for someone, I think maybe Ubuntu will work out better
[11:59] <mats_> ctw: you need codecs ;)
[11:59] <lsuactiafner> Skapare : i'm glad i switched my dekstop over to ubuntu
[11:59] <ctw> I'm using breezy by the way ...
[11:59] <nalioth> ctw: ubotu sent you a msg
[11:59] <Skapare> lsuactiafner: but what I am interested in is how I might be able to adapt Ubuntu to being server grade


[10:26] <Fudge> hey thismagpie  not yet mate, Joanie is working on Geko problems I think
[10:26] <Fudge> have not been having as much trouble with commits to Orca master though over last couple of days, toggle Caret navigation sometimes to fix quick