[13:55] <gQuigs> trying to login to staging.launchpad.net -> login-lp.staging.ubuntu.com, but it doesn't seem to like my password from prod
[13:56] <gQuigs> following this doc - https://help.launchpad.net/StagingServer, and I know I've logged into staging before...
[13:58] <gQuigs> aside: my actual goal is to test out using teams that automatically expire to assert that someone (likely employees) has reviewed certain documents every 3 months or year, etc  - then compare it against their primary group to see those that haven't done the required action
[14:01] <cjwatson> gQuigs: that's an SSO problem, not Launchpad
[14:02] <cjwatson> and if 2FA is involved, then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FA#Why_doesn.27t_my_2F_login_work_on_staging.3F will apply
[14:03] <cjwatson> gQuigs: but if you're planning to compare team memberships on production vs. staging, are you aware that staging is resynced from production once a week?
[14:05] <gQuigs> cjwatson: oh yea, I just want to mock it up on staging, not use that for the comparison
[14:06] <cjwatson> gQuigs: you could alternatively mock it up on qastaging then, which uses production SSO, thereby sidestepping whatever the problem is with your staging SSO account
[14:07] <gQuigs> cjwatson: tried, I can't get qastaging.launchpad.net to load
[14:09] <gQuigs> or am I using the wrong URL?
[14:10] <cjwatson> it's possible it's currently broken; it's had some problems
[14:10] <cjwatson> OK, you can try dogfood.paddev.net then, with the caveat that that has even fewer guarantees of being up, it's a dev playground
[14:11] <cjwatson> somebody on #snapstore may be able to help you fix your staging SSO account
[14:12] <gQuigs> np, that works, thanks!
[14:24] <gQuigs> if you have any thoughts on the best way in LP to have everyone on a team signoff on something I'd love to hear it (currently evaluating the groups options, but perhaps blueprints or code could be messaged to do similar
[14:35] <cjwatson> I have no such thoughts
[14:38] <gQuigs> no one has customized the Code of Conduct signing system for other purposes?  it's not per project afaict
[14:38] <cjwatson> Not as far as I know
[15:34] <Laney> is it possible to configure codehosting deny non fast forward git pushes?
[15:34] <Laney> ideally on a per-branch basis
[15:35] <Laney> sort of https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1604558 I guess
[15:35] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1604558 in Launchpad itself "[git] Team admins cannot ban "force push"" [Undecided,New]
[15:35] <Laney> although I wouldn't be asking for an ACL like that
[15:37] <nacc> Laney: we've asked for something similar-ish in the past for git-ubuntu
[15:37] <Laney> nacc: probably that bug I just linked
[15:37] <Laney> basically "no" AFAICS
[15:37] <nacc> Laney: yeah, we also have changed our model a bit, and the branches are now never pushed by anyone outside the importer-team (really just the bot now)
[15:38] <nacc> Laney: so it's dropped down our list a bit
[15:40] <Laney> nacc: It's not super urgent for me either, just that sometimes people will reset and push --force rather than reverting, because it's "cleaner" or something. I'd like to prevent that, at least for our ubuntu/* branches. (Since we're planning to move to git for desktop packaging soon.)
[15:41] <nacc> Laney: yep, agreed on that
[15:41] <nacc> Laney: are these source packages, btw?
[15:42] <Laney> We're going to be sharing gbp history with Debian.
[15:42] <nacc> Laney: and yeah reset & push should be very frowned upon :)
[15:42] <Laney> Using DEP14 style layouts
[15:43] <nacc> Laney: we are changing the 'default' Git repository for imported source pacakges (about to be all of main) to our imported repositories -- would you rather we didn't for yours? (they will still obviously be there, just not the default, if not)
[15:43] <nacc> Laney: the idea being every source package in main has the git-ubuntu layout, so it's always possible to use that workflow
[15:44] <Laney> nacc: Hmmmmmmmm, I'm not sure.
[15:44] <Laney> There's benefit to having it be identical for all packages, and us having to deal with random non-workflow uploads.
[15:46] <nacc> Laney: yeah
[15:46] <Laney> But then again we might want to steer people towards the official VCSen
[15:46] <nacc> Laney: which you can do in the debian/control still, i think
[15:46] <nacc> Laney: what we'd do if you wanted to make yours the default is special-case those source packages and emit a message like, the 'default repo is at ... '
[15:46] <nacc> (in git-ubuntu)
[15:47] <Laney> nacc: That'd be nice, kind of like what apt source does - except you can't just use Vcs-* as that's often unmodified from Debian.
[15:48] <nacc> Laney: (i have a pending MP to allow update-maintainer to understand vcs changes too)
[15:48] <nacc> Laney: so, for now, i won't special case anything, but if you change your mind, just reach out to rbasak or myself
[15:48] <Laney> ack
[15:56] <nacc> Laney: just filed LP: #1765114 to track that a bit for ourselves
[15:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1765114 in usd-importer "importer: default alias change has some fallout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1765114
[21:02] <rbasak> nacc, Laney: I'd really prefer for it to be the other way round: the default repository to be our one (a consistent view across all packages). But we can point to the desktop team's one in a message after clone. My reason is that it's really hard to encourage new contributors when everything is an edge case.
[21:02] <nacc> rbasak: fwiw, default repository is ours (or will be)
[21:02] <nacc> rbasak: agreed re: messaging, as mentioned in the bug
[21:02] <nacc> rbasak: i wonder if we should emit a warning if the current branch's VCS field is not ours or something
[21:03] <rbasak> I'd like us all to accept contributions made against the consistent view (git-ubuntu) branches, too. For teams that maintain the "real" VCS somewhere else, I'd like these teams to handle the MP and rebase on to the "real" branch before merging if necessary.
[21:03] <nacc> rbasak: +1
[21:04] <rbasak> nacc: we can warn using Vcs-*, but one catch is that Ubuntu developers rarely mark XS-Vcs-Debian or whatever so we can't tell the difference.
[21:04] <rbasak> This is something I think update-maintainer should do (and for it to be renamed).
[21:04] <nacc> yeah that's a good point
[21:04] <nacc> rbasak: ack, that's what my MP for update-maintainer does (needs to be resubmitte,d probably)
[21:06] <rbasak> Another thought on what I said above: we could even have "git ubuntu lint" and a CI bot handle the rebasing on to the "real" branch automatically.
[21:06] <rbasak> (using Vcs-* when that's sorted)
[21:08] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, that's a good idea (or even a suggested set of commands, perhaps)


[01:51] <tmkt_> 0
[01:52] <tmkt_> superm1: not sure which dir... i chmod 777 a few of them..not sure which one fixed it..but its working
[17:22] <superm1> tmkt_: oh ok.  well if you happen to encounter it again on another system feel free to point out any specific permissions problems


[12:29] <ephemeros> night
[12:32] <elvis> thanks efor your help
[12:41] <AstronomyDomine> Hello, I'm having a bit of a problem with gstreamer and Exaile!, I've installed the ugly plugins and mp3 output works fine on my main account but does not work on the other user account I created. Am I forgetting to do something?
[12:41] <maxamillion> AstronomyDomine: are you by any chance running a 64-bit version of xubuntu?
[12:41] <TheSheep> AstronomyDomine: system->users and groups and add that user to the audio group
[12:42] <somerville32> TheSheep++
[12:43] <AstronomyDomine> I am not using the 64 bit version, and I am trying that right now TheSheep. Thank you.
[12:47] <AstronomyDomine> Ah. It worked beautifully. Thank you very much.
[12:48] <TheSheep> AstronomyDomine: glad to hear
[02:03] <McBeardy> what kind of 'device manager' equivalent does xubuntu offer?
[02:06] <McBeardy> I dont know where I'd look to find simple info like how much of my hard drive space is used
[02:20] <Cinnande1> Is there a way to install (or enable) the additional screensavers that were not installed with this installation (some of the ones that were installed when I xubuntu'd my pc don't seem to have been included when I xubuntu'd my lappy)
[02:28] <Cinnande1> think I may have found it
[02:29] <Cinnande1> yes -- Let the records show: xscreensaver-data-extra
[02:35] <McBeardy> anyone here
[02:35] <McBeardy> how do I see hard disk usage in xubuntu
[02:36] <Cinnande1> there is a widget you can put on the toolbar (top or bottom) for showing that
[02:36] <McBeardy> is there any other way?
[02:36] <McBeardy> to inspect system hardware in general?
[02:36] <Arkh> sure McBeardy
[02:37] <Cinnande1> $ df -h -T
[02:37] <Cinnande1> if you don't mind using the console
[02:39] <McBeardy> i don't mind
[02:39] <McBeardy> but I don't understand it fully
[02:39] <McBeardy> what does this list mean
[02:40] <Arkh> the partitions and the percentage of free space
[02:41] <Arkh> just look at the /dev/hd ones for disk usage
[02:41] <Arkh> or sd if you have sata
[02:42] <McBeardy> i dont see any /dev/hd ones
[02:42] <McBeardy> only a /
[02:42] <McBeardy> which is the biggest one
[02:42] <Arkh> arkham@acerus:~$ df -h -T
[02:42] <Arkh> Filesystem    Type    Dimens. Usati Disp. Uso% Montato su
[02:42] <Arkh> /dev/hda5     ext3    9,2G  3,8G  4,9G  44% /
[02:43] <McBeardy> "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root
[02:43] <McBeardy>               ext3     37G  3.2G   32G  10% /
[02:43] <McBeardy> varrun       tmpfs    125M  156K  125M   1% /var/run
[02:43] <McBeardy> varlock      tmpfs    125M     0  125M   0% /var/lock
[02:43] <McBeardy> "
[02:44] <Arkh> mm feisty?
[02:44] <McBeardy> nope
[02:44] <McBeardy> 6.10
[02:44] <Arkh> weird
[02:44] <McBeardy> so there isn't some type of visual 'device manager'
[02:44] <Arkh> anyways not a problem
[02:45] <McBeardy> where i can see all the devices it has detected
[02:45] <Arkh> lspci
[02:45] <Arkh> on a terminal
[02:45] <Arkh> why would you need a graphical one lol?
[02:48] <McBeardy> since I don't know all the commands otherwise
[02:48] <Arkh> what would you want to know more about your system?
[02:49] <Arkh> there are 4-5 commands to see everything
[02:49] <McBeardy> hmm
[02:49] <McBeardy> well lspci appears to be a list of.. controllers?
[02:50] <McBeardy> ISA / LPC bridge , is that parallel port?
[02:51] <Arkh> no
[02:51] <McBeardy> i still don't get the df command.. it has a bunch of file systems. i was looking for the physical hard disks
[02:51] <Arkh> look at the one mounted on /
[02:51] <Arkh> that is your root filesystem
[02:52] <Arkh> other hard disk may be mounted on /mnt or in /media
[02:54] <McBeardy> so are the other ones made by linux to do other thins
[02:54] <McBeardy> things
[02:55] <Arkh> yes
[02:56] <LM1> does anyone here know how to debug the livecd
[02:56] <McBeardy> thanks for the hlep
[02:56] <LM1> it is locking up...
[02:56] <McBeardy> help
[02:56] <LM1> I tested it for defects
[02:57] <Arkh> what do you mean LM1 ?
[02:58] <LM1> well I get a black screen
[02:58] <LM1> for hours
[02:58] <LM1> windows xp runs fine
[02:58] <LM1> but if I try to boot from the livecd
[02:58] <LM1> it locks up
[02:58] <LM1> it has the AMD 690 chipset
[02:58] <LM1> latest bios updates
[02:59] <LM1> :C
[02:59] <Arkh> mmhmm
[02:59] <Arkh> screen?
[02:59] <LM1> ?
[02:59] <Arkh> lcd?
[02:59] <LM1> yes actually
[02:59] <LM1> its a 17"
[02:59] <Arkh> you could specify
[03:00] <Arkh> some line options on boot
[03:00] <Arkh> isn't it?
[03:00] <LM1> its a 17 inch lcd using the standard vga connecter
[03:00] <LM1> how do I do that
[03:00] <Arkh> like removing splash and quiet
[03:00] <LM1> ?
[03:00] <LM1> ahh
[03:00] <Arkh> so you can see the errors
[03:00] <LM1> yes it stops at the sata drive
[03:00] <LM1> but no errors
[03:01] <Arkh> ohh sata drive so
[03:01] <Arkh> which live?
[03:01] <Arkh> xubuntu 6.10?
[03:02] <LM1> i tried fiesty also
[03:03] <Arkh> it stops while doing something like fsck?
[03:03] <LM1> well now it stopped on usb
[03:04] <LM1> hid-core
[03:04] <LM1> last time it was on sata
[03:04] <Arkh> nousb
[03:04] <Arkh> on boot to skip usb check
[03:05] <LM1> ok
[03:05] <LM1> lemme try that
[03:06] <Arkh> LM1, read the options on boot
[03:06] <Arkh> I am sure that some tweaking will make that work
[03:07] <LM1> well it seems to lockup now at my usb mouse
[03:07] <LM1> :D
[03:07] <LM1> i added no usb
[03:07] <Arkh> read the boot options
[03:07] <Arkh> there should be something very near to that
[03:08] <Arkh> I don't have a live so I can't check but I really remember those options
[03:08] <LM1> :c im really stupid
[03:08] <LM1> what are the boot options
[03:08] <LM1> ooh
[03:08] <LM1> doh
[03:09] <Arkh> on boot
[03:09] <Arkh> like F6
[03:09] <Arkh> or F7
[03:09] <LM1> casper intrid=/casper/intrid.gz
[03:09] <Arkh> lol I am sorry I am not being too much helpful
[03:09] <Arkh> okay
[03:10] <Arkh> nousb
[03:10] <Arkh> it is correct lol
[03:11] <LM1> it seems to be locking up on usb still even though I put no usb
[03:11] <Arkh> nousb
[03:11] <LM1> lemms see if I can disable it in the bios
[03:11] <Arkh> with space or without?
[03:11] <LM1> just as you typed
[03:11] <LM1> nousb
[03:11] <LM1> all caps maybe?
[03:11] <Arkh> nahh
[03:12] <Arkh> when the cd prompts boot:
[03:12] <Arkh> try typing nousb and enter
[03:12] <Arkh> nothing? nada ? :p
[03:15] <LM1> ugg
[03:15] <LM1> I disabled usb in bios
[03:15] <LM1> and now sata locks up
[03:15] <LM1> :C
[03:15] <LM1> why does god hate me
[03:15] <Arkh> very weird
[03:15] <LM1> :D
[03:15] <Arkh> sata works good with the old kernel :p
[03:15] <Arkh> (the one on the cd)
[03:15] <Arkh> did you try to make a md5sum of the cd?
[03:18] <LM1> I checked for defects
[03:18] <Arkh> and?
[03:18] <LM1> its good
[03:19] <LM1> I installed it on my other computer just yesterday
[03:19] <LM1> ugg...
[03:19] <whitelamp> does 6.06 Xubuntu have xfce 4.2 or 4.4?
[03:19] <LM1> this is the last motherboard with an AMD chipset I am going to buy
[03:19] <Arkh> it that pc new?
[03:19] <LM1> brand new
[03:19] <LM1> :c
[03:19] <LM1> dual core
[03:19] <Arkh> crap :s
[03:20] <LM1> xp works great
[03:20] <whitelamp> xp sucks man.
[03:20] <LM1> but I don't want xp
[03:20] <LM1> uh yeah
[03:20] <LM1> I know
[03:20] <LM1> LOL
[03:20] <whitelamp> vista=cant even copy a cd without DRM.
[03:20] <whitelamp> Lmao.
[03:20] <LM1> yeah I know...
[03:20] <LM1> I hate microshitballs
[03:21] <Arkh> whitelamp, xfce4 (4.3.0-0ubuntu1) [universe]
[03:21] <Arkh> http://packages.ubuntu.com :p
[03:21] <whitelamp> ugh.
[03:22] <Arkh> edgy has xfce4 (<IP_ADDRESS>) [universe]
[03:23] <whitelamp> xfce=been giving errors since upgrade from dapper :C
[03:23] <Arkh> fresh install?
[03:23] <whitelamp> Nope. Dapper->edgy.
[03:24] <Arkh> I mean, what about a frsh install?
[03:24] <Arkh> too mcuh work?
[03:24] <Arkh> ops typos :p
[03:24] <Sgeo> Does Xubuntu 7.04 have the easy codecs thing?
[03:24] <Arkh> no
[03:24] <Sgeo> and Add/Remove Programs?
[03:25] <Arkh> there is already add/remove
[03:25] <whitelamp> I could do fresh install, but right now im backing up all my stuff to external HD and rw-dvds.
[03:26] <whitelamp> 100 GB worth of stuff >.<
[03:26] <Arkh> lol
[03:26] <Arkh> I do use a vfat data partition
[03:26] <Arkh> so no need of backupping while reinstalling the OS
[03:26] <Arkh> (if it ever happens) :p
[03:26] <Sgeo> What else does Ubuntu have that Xubuntu lacks?
[03:27] <Arkh> gnome
[03:27] <Arkh> and slowness
[03:27] <Arkh> :D
[03:27] <whitelamp> ...Meh...Ill keep that in mind next time.
[03:27] <whitelamp> Gnome=Ram Hog.
[03:27] <Sgeo> Does Ubuntu have a GUI for the OEM thingy?
[03:27] <Sgeo> For taht matter, does Xubuntu?
[03:28] <Arkh> such as?
[03:28] <whitelamp> KDE=Ram Juggler (Depends :D)
[03:28] <Sgeo> Some graphical interface after I login as oem
[03:28] <Sgeo> That I can use to do stuff
[03:28] <Sgeo> and tell it when I'm done
[03:28] <whitelamp> Xfce= Uses 100/1001 Ram on my comp.
[03:29] <Arkh> Alternate install CD
[03:29] <Arkh> The alternate install CD allows you to perform certain specialist installations of Xubuntu. It provides for the following situations:
[03:29] <Arkh>     * creating pre-configured OEM systems;
[03:29] <Arkh> like this?
[03:29] <Arkh> http://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/
[03:29] <Sgeo> Arkh, when I'm making the OEM system, I'm supposed to login as oem when it's done installing
[03:30] <Sgeo> (I went through the OEM Install with Xubuntu on VMware)
[03:30] <LM1> do you guys think the kernel will ever be updated
[03:30] <whitelamp> yes
[03:30] <LM1> to support the amd 690 chipset
[03:30] <Arkh> and why do you lack the gui Sgeo ?
[03:30] <Sgeo> Does Ubuntu have programs that I can use when logged in as oem?
[03:30] <LM1> :C
[03:30] <Arkh> I don't know about oem thing
[03:30] <Sgeo> Arkh, I mean I want a GUI program for OEM builders
[03:31] <Arkh> what is it?
[03:31] <Sgeo> Arkh, I want it to be easy
[03:31] <Arkh> search it on google Sgeo ?
[03:31] <whitelamp> Google is your freind.  Using less than one tenth of my ram constantly is quite enjoyable.
[03:33] <Arkh> usually everything works out of the box
[03:33] <Arkh> what are your users going to use?
[03:34] <Arkh> firefox and mp3 player?
[03:34] <Arkh> :P
[03:34] <Sgeo> OpenOffice.org
[03:34] <Sgeo> for one
[03:34] <Arkh> with at least 128 megs of ram
[03:34] <Sgeo> And whatever else they need a computer for
[03:34] <Arkh> there is synaptic
[03:34] <LM1> does anyone know of a tool I can download to repartition and back up data for a reformat
[03:34] <Arkh> fire it up
[03:34] <LM1> that doesn't use the linux kernel
[03:35] <Arkh> search for your program
[03:35] <Arkh> and it downloads and installs it
[03:35] <Arkh> I can't see the difficulty in taht..
[03:35] <Sgeo> These people probably don't want to have to learn Synaptic to install stuff
[03:35] <whitelamp> Synaptic isnt that hard
[03:35] <Arkh> those people aren't made for linux probably...
[03:35] <LM1> I just wish they kept the repos current...  thats my only gripe
[03:36] <LM1> not being able to do what you need to without recompiling a prog from source is pretty harsh
[03:36] <LM1> :D
[03:36] <whitelamp> Stable over bleeding edge, right?
[03:36] <Arkh> LM1, why don't you wait for feisty release?
[03:36] <LM1> I am...
[03:37] <LM1> :D
[03:37] <Arkh> the schedule should be around 1/2 weeks
[03:37] <Arkh> :p
[03:37] <LM1> but I still have to have use edgy in the mean time
[03:37] <LM1> and if the program I am running is bugged up and 10 versions old...
[03:37] <LM1> and won't do what I need it to
[03:37] <Sgeo> Arkh, it's either Linux with all the stuff like OOo that they need preinstalled, or a barebones Win98
[03:37] <Arkh> which program?
[03:37] <LM1> compiling is the only answer
[03:38] <Arkh> Sgeo I think you could just save a txt file with one command line
[03:38] <Arkh> and run it on every pc
[03:38] <Arkh> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[03:38] <LM1> well I have since found debs
[03:38] <LM1> but ktorrent was really a pain to compile
[03:39] <Arkh> adding more programs to your needs
[03:39] <Arkh> LM1, ubuntu isn't made for compiling :p
[03:39] <LM1> yeah tell me about it
[03:39] <LM1> :D
[03:39] <Arkh> install gentoo :P
[03:39] <LM1> bah
[03:39] <Arkh> I swear it works there :D
[03:40] <LM1> I don't want to compile from the ground up
[03:40] <LM1> that would take 400000 hours
[03:40] <Arkh> well
[03:40] <Sgeo> There's a graphical Gentoo installer
[03:40] <Arkh> it took me 7 hours for gnome
[03:40] <Sgeo> Believe it or not
[03:40] <Arkh> Sgeo, it is InstallCd
[03:40] <Arkh> but it is no good
[03:40] <Arkh> I prefer the from scratch approach :D
[03:41] <LM1> I just want apps released as new bugs are fixed in the stable releases (not beta)... its easy to do on windows... as much as I hate windows
[03:41] <Arkh> well i do not hate windows
[03:41] <LM1> its like pulling teeth on ubuntu
[03:41] <LM1> :D
[03:41] <Arkh> windows is cool to make people see what is a computer
[03:41] <Arkh> I just don't want to reboot my machine whenever I install/remove a program
[03:42] <LM1> I hope someday some 3rd party makes a repo for ubuntu that has all the latest non-beta releases of software
[03:42] <Arkh> or don't know what my OD does with his registry
[03:42] <Sgeo> Isn't there a backports thingy?
[03:42] <Sgeo> OD?
[03:42] <Arkh> OS*
[03:42] <Arkh> :P
[03:42] <Arkh> regedit sucks so badly :(
[03:43] <Sgeo> WHY is the Ubuntu 7.04 installer hung on makedev?
[03:44] <Arkh> it is still beta :p
[03:44] <Arkh> never trust beta software :p
[03:45] <Arkh> Sgeo, did you see this?
[03:45] <Arkh> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuOEMInstaller
[03:45] <Arkh> this is for kubuntu though..
[03:46] <Sgeo> ty
[03:46] <Arkh> you want something graphcial like that?
[03:47] <Arkh> or i didn't understand shit lol :D
[03:47] <Sgeo> ty for the link
[03:48] <Arkh> :)
[03:48] <LM1> I feel so dirty using xp as my primary OS... like I wanna sit in the shower and scrub myself... anyone else get that? :D
[03:50] <Arkh> err no :p
[03:50] <Arkh> especially the xp part
[03:53] <iNoob> microsoft is evil!
[03:54] <Arkh> nooo
[03:54] <Arkh> they just have a bad idea of software :p
[03:55] <iNoob> veeeeery bad idea...
[03:55] <Arkh> how on the earth can you develop something like visual basic lol?
[03:56] <iNoob> how can something like windoze become the primary OS of the world?
[03:58] <Arkh> it is easy
[03:58] <Arkh> people like easy
[03:58] <LM1> how can Dubya be the prezident of the USA
[03:58] <Arkh> that's why ubuntu is the most distributed inux distro aswell :P
[03:58] <LM1> people are flipping retardedly stupid
[03:58] <Arkh> linux*
[03:58] <iNoob> ubuntu=easy
[03:59] <iNoob> but windows came first =(
[03:59] <Arkh> yup
[04:00] <LM1> hey ive got an older rig with a wd sata drive
[04:00] <LM1> it makes this loud whining noise
[04:00] <LM1> when it spins up
[04:00] <LM1> but it passes all tests I've thrown at it
[04:00] <iNoob> have you thrown it?
[04:00] <LM1> and its SMART checks out
[04:01] <LM1> um
[04:01] <LM1> no
[04:01] <LM1> :D
[04:01] <LM1> I used every WD diagnostic test
[04:01] <LM1> though
[04:01] <LM1> and checked its smart status
[04:01] <LM1> but it makes this horrible whining noise...
[04:01] <LM1> like my pc is slient...
[04:01] <LM1> until the hard drive spins up
[04:01] <LM1> LOL
[04:02] <Arkh> LM1,
[04:02] <Arkh> maybe the hard disk is not well fixed
[04:03] <Arkh> and it makes some vibrations?
[04:05] <LM1> :c none that i can tell
[04:05] <neuton> hello all
[04:05] <LM1> its a very high pitched whine
[04:05] <LM1> like a dieing hampster
[04:05] <LM1> caught in a blow dryer
[04:06] <neuton> I am trying to put the equalizer preset into my xmms folder,but can not locate where edgy puts the folder?
[04:06] <neuton> does anyone know where xmms is installed on the 6.10 version?
[04:06] <Arkh> xmms is soooo deprecated
[04:06] <Arkh> don't use it
[04:07] <neuton> lol
[04:07] <Arkh> the code is old and bugged
[04:07] <Arkh> audacious is a good port
[04:07] <Arkh> :)
[04:07] <Arkh> fork*
[04:07] <Arkh> oops
[04:07] <neuton> well its the only one that works,gxine came preinstalled but I cant hear anything thru it
[04:07] <Arkh> it is not gxine fault
[04:07] <Arkh> did you install the codecs?
[04:08] <neuton> yes,but it only plays the song quckly with no sound,it likes it just reads it then skips onto next
[04:09] <neuton> I tried to do xinecheck like I read before but it says cant be found
[04:10] <Arkh> neuton,
[04:10] <Arkh> http://rafb.net/p/JGjhtN38.html
[04:10] <Arkh> check this codecs?
[04:10] <Arkh> and try installing xfmedia
[04:10] <neuton> ok 1 sec let me see
[04:10] <Arkh> k
[04:11] <neuton> how do I get those codecs?
[04:13] <Arkh> apt-get install
[04:13] <Arkh> or search in google for medibuntu
[04:14] <Arkh> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[04:14] <Arkh> if you can't find them
[04:14] <Arkh> :P
[04:14] <neuton> kk
[04:15] <keb> which packages should i remove to turn a xubuntu-desktop into a text-only server?
[04:16] <LM1> is it possible to redo a live cd
[04:16] <LM1> using a more recent kernel
[04:21] <Arkh> not with xubuntu I fear
[04:21] <Arkh> keb why don't you try the server install?
[04:21] <Arkh> just remove X I'd say
[04:22] <Arkh> do you have free space problems?
[04:22] <keb> i have a desktop machine that is running a website already, and want to remove the graphical destkop stuff
[04:22] <keb> to reduce the load
[04:22] <keb> and complexity and upgrades required
[04:22] <Arkh> the load of xfce is ridiculous :p
[04:22] <Arkh> anyways
[04:22] <keb> lol
[04:23] <Arkh> you can stop X from starting
[04:23] <Arkh> so you can always turn back
[04:23] <keb> hmm true
[04:23] <LM1> Arkh...
[04:23] <Arkh> insatll sysv-ng-conf
[04:23] <LM1> what should I search for
[04:23] <keb> no reason to turn back though, the machine has no monitor and is too old to use as a desktop
[04:24] <LM1> to look up specfic kernel parameters for the 690g chipset
[04:24] <Arkh> well you never know :p
[04:24] <Arkh> just google I have no idea
[04:24] <Arkh> if it is unsupported there 's nothing you can do :(
[04:25] <keb> thanks
[04:26] <Arkh> just an idea
[04:26] <Arkh> I am a bit scared of doing things like apt.get remove xorg-server
[04:26] <Arkh> but I never really worked with servers :)
[04:26] <BFTD> !wma
[04:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:27] <Arkh> nighhht
[04:32] <neuton> hello ubotu
[04:33] <neuton> I will check it cause I installed Xfmedia and no sound
[04:33] <neuton> even tho xmms is working
[04:37] <iNoob> my usb optical mouse is not recognized
[04:37] <iNoob> it has power, but does nothing
[04:37] <iNoob> it HAD power
[05:19] <Chili> I've searched around for a while now but no one else seems to have the problem....Certain sites with white backgrounds render the text also in white...leaving it invisible...any way to solve this, other than highlighting it?
[05:19] <Chili> Its not a coding problem on the site's end, it renders correctly in windows.
[05:23] <Pumpernickel> What site, and what version of what browser?
[05:28] <Chili> gorillamask.net, and <IP_ADDRESS> of firefox
[05:28] <Chili> also, it seems like nothingtoxic.com's videos won't play because I'm missing a codec...I can't seem to figure out what codec it is....any ideas?
[05:31] <rici> "it renders correctly in windows" does not imply that it's not a coding error on the site
[05:32] <rici> a lot of bad html renders correctly on some idiosyncratic browser or other
[05:32] <rici> it's a coding error if it doesn't render correctly on a standards compliant browser
[05:32] <rici> :)
[05:33] <Chili> Hmmm.
[05:33] <rici> so today's question is: I have a Terminal window open. I need it's window-id. $WINDOWID is the child window of the window i need. how do i get the actual window-id other than parsing the output of xwininfo -children ?
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> The videos - e.g, the one on the front page about the motorcycles, now - are in wmv, so you'll need that codec.
[05:33] <rici> *without using a mouse or keyboard*
[05:33] <rici> i.e. in a script
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> As for the white-on-white, I don't have that issue, so I'm afraid I can't help there.
[05:34] <Chili> Hmm, think it might have something to do with my theme?
[05:34] <Chili> An all black theme could maybe make the text render differently?
[05:34] <Pumpernickel> If it applies a stylesheet to rendered pages, yes.
[05:34] <Pumpernickel> If it's only menu/button theme, unlikely.
[05:37] <Chili> Yeah, it was my theme....I loved that theme....lol
[05:38] <Pumpernickel> If you send an email the theme maintainer, s/he might fix it.
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> s/email/email to/
[05:39] <Chili> It was theme that came with xubuntu O.o
[05:39] <Chili> xfce-dusk
[05:46] <BFTD> it would be cool if GRUB could boot a CD/DVD
[06:14] <bigfuzzyjesus> Pumpernickel, do you have ff
[06:29] <Pumpernickel> bigfuzzyjesus: Of course.
[06:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> Pumpernickel, do you like it
[07:05] <Brylie> what is the word for the hooded garment that death wears?
[07:06] <hyper_ch> cloak ?
[07:08] <Brylie> yea... cloak sounds better than hoodie
[07:08] <Brylie> unless Death were an owl
[07:08] <Brylie> .. 'hoo die'
[07:09] <Brylie> bada bing!
[07:17] <Shaba1> hello all
[07:24] <hyper_ch> Brylie: I'm not a native english speaker but that's the word I use in AD&D and D'n'D
[07:25] <Brylie> cloak?
[07:26] <BFTD> hrm
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> Brylie: I'm lovin' the owl pun...
[07:34] <Brylie> haha thank you :-)
[07:34] <Brylie> the world needs cheesy jokes occasionally
[07:49] <LoneShadow> ok who is running feisty + 2.6.20 kernel + grub in here ? :D
[07:51] <RememberPOL> I just updated to 7.04 and I see a new GUI feature on the titebar on the far left, directly to the right of the titlebar icon that's a circle 'o' and when clicked becomes a filled in circle but i have no idea what the result is... can anyone explain?
[07:52] <LoneShadow> RememberPOL: what kernel are you running ? (sorry dont know the answer for your question)
[07:53] <darrend> LoneShadow: I'm running that combo, why?  problem?
[07:54] <darrend> RememberPOL: the title bar will depend on the style you use for the WindowManager.  It's likely to be to "stick" the window to all virtual desktops
[07:54] <LoneShadow> darrend: can you paste me your grub/menu.lst in pastebin.ca ?
[07:54] <LoneShadow> If I try to boot with 2.6.20, it panics
[07:55] <LoneShadow> "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[07:56] <darrend> well my menu.lst may be different anyway as I have 2 hdd in this machine
[07:56] <darrend> so my root partition is (hd1,0)
[07:57] <LoneShadow> thats ok :D
[07:57] <LoneShadow> do you have a initrd mentioned in it ?
[07:58] <darrend> http://pastebin.ca/437702
[07:59] <LoneShadow> cool thanks, now I gotta add back the initrd
[07:59] <darrend> np.  gotta run, time for work
[07:59] <LoneShadow> darrend: quick question
[08:00] <LoneShadow> darrend: do have lvm/mdadm installed ?
[08:00] <darrend> no
[08:00] <LoneShadow> ok
[08:14] <RememberPOL> thanks darrend
[08:53] <snarfer> Don't crash... don't crash!
[08:53] <snarfer> Please don't crash!
[09:04] <posingaspopular> snarfer: did it crash?
[09:07] <snarfer> Nope
[09:07] <snarfer> Not finished
[09:07] <posingaspopular> gl with that
[09:08] <Sgeo> G'night all!
[09:08] <snarfer> Thanks, posingaspopular
[09:08] <snarfer> "checking for packages to remove"
[09:10] <snarfer> Ahhhh
[09:10] <snarfer> excellent
[09:10] <snarfer> Installed successfully
[09:14] <snarfer> Hey, I just wanted to let you guys know that I have Xbuntu installed on my external drive!
[09:15] <snarfer> :D
[01:16] <Naughtyboy> anyone else here had problem with latest kernel-image updates..?
[01:18] <Merchelo> like?
[01:21] <kbrooks> hi.
[01:21] <kbrooks> i installed xubuntu-desktop
[01:21] <kbrooks> for once it looks much better than uhm the older xfces
[01:24] <Grey_Loki> XFCE 4.4 is rather nice.
[01:24] <Grey_Loki> Erm, 4.3 actually, i think.
[01:25] <Arkh> 4.3.99
[01:25] <grazie> 4.3?
[01:25] <Arkh> :p
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> xubuntu-desktop brings in all sorts of junk
[01:26] <kbrooks> h3sp4wn, oh w/e like i care
[01:26] <grazie> one mans junk in another mans gold :)
[01:26] <grazie> is*
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> waste's bandwidth though no point to install something you will never use (if you know in advance you will not)
[01:27] <Arkh> h3sp4wn, install gentoo then :p
[01:28] <Arkh> or you can install xubuntu-desktop and then remove the things you don't need
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> don't install it to start with is the only option
[01:28] <Arkh> Description: Xubuntu desktop system
[01:28] <Arkh>  This package depends on all of the packages in the Xubuntu desktop system
[01:28] <Arkh>  .
[01:28] <Arkh>  It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system packages are
[01:28] <Arkh>  not desired.
[01:28] <grazie> oy use debian or slackware or ...
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> there is no reason there shouldn't be something like {k,x,u}desktop-minimal
[01:30] <Arkh> alternate cd?
[01:30] <grazie> fluxbuntu?
[01:30] <pleia2> h3sp4wn: you can just install xfce4 and all the components by themselves, that's what I did with my laptop
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> pleia2: Thats what I did
[01:30] <pleia2> very easy
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> And then rebuilt the parts that xubuntu trashed up (trying to make it look like gnome)
[01:31] <pleia2> I wouldn't say "trashed up" - they modified it to fit with Ubuntu
[01:31] <pleia2> but I change it back to traditional XFCE too
[01:31] <Arkh> I like this xfce :)
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> No point in imitation
[01:31] <pleia2> you are quite opinionated :)
[01:32] <grazie> the thing is, most linux don't know what they want until they've been using it a while and even then laziness comes into it
[01:32] <grazie> linux users*
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> pleia2: possibly but my opinions are based on what I have experienced
[01:34] <h3sp4wn> Arkh: I have a box with gentoo and the xfce fonts look alot better (still haven't got to the bottom of that)
[01:34] <pleia2> not much experience with people who are new to linux then I guess
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> more than you might expect (from #ubuntu+1 and #kubuntu)
[02:19] <Xtreem> /j #aber
[02:19] <Xtreem> bah
[02:20] <grazie> humbug
[03:11] <hyper_ch> hiho
[03:11] <hyper_ch> huhu TheSheep
[03:12] <Grey_Loki> ihih, hc_repyh
[03:12] <maxamillion> hello all
[03:16] <Grey_Loki> !ICQ
[03:17] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[03:17] <Grey_Loki> I was kinda hoping for a link to an ICQ-only client, ubotu.
[03:18] <hyper_ch> hiho maxamillion
[03:18] <hyper_ch> Grey_Loki: LICQ
[03:18] <Lsi> You can always adjust the program not to use other protocols.
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> !info centericq
[03:31] <ubotu> centericq: A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.21.0-16 (edgy), package size 1248 kB, installed size 3040 kB
[03:34] <hyper_ch> !licq
[03:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about licq - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:04] <Grey_Loki> !mud
[04:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mud - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <darrend_laptop> don't mud servers just require telnet access?
[04:12] <Grey_Loki> Yeah.
[04:13] <Grey_Loki> But i'd prefer a client that can also handle scripts, triggers, aliases, macros and the like
[04:13] <Grey_Loki> Like MM2k on windows.
[04:18] <darrend_laptop> ah
[04:19] <darrend_laptop> you could probably knock it together with a combination of an expect script and telnet/xterm
[04:20] <darrend_laptop> !expect
[04:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about expect - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:20] <Grey_Loki> Quite possibly. I was really hoping for a nice easy client :P
[04:20] <darrend_laptop> aptitude show expect
[04:20] <darrend_laptop> there probably is one somewhere.  Tried google?
[04:21] <Grey_Loki> Am doing so now.
[04:21] <Grey_Loki> Gnome-MUD seems to be the client of choice.
[04:27] <hyper_ch> !restricted
[04:27] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:32] <hyper_ch> !win32codecs
[04:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about win32codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:32] <hyper_ch> !w32codecs
[04:32] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:33] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, you might want to link both win32 and w32 if that is possible...
[04:33] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, Hi... ^_^
[04:33] <hyper_ch> I can't alter the bot
[04:34] <Maximilian1st> I thought you were part of the devs here...
[04:34] <Maximilian1st> sorry.
[04:34] <Maximilian1st> I just was about to say that you were here often and had good advice...
[04:35] <Arkh_> lol
[04:35] <Maximilian1st> yeah.
[04:35] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: I just now 2-3 things about linux :)
[04:35] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: and sometimes I know an answer or can help
[04:36] <TheSheep> that's how we all work here
[04:36] <TheSheep> nobody knows everything
[04:38] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: you're rule has one excpetion: yourself :)
[04:39] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw:  http://www.notkeriana.ch/stammbaum  --> I converted it so that it uses now the db of the forum users
[04:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: btw, someone asked how you can browse the network in xfce? Does thunar have that capability?
[04:40] <Maximilian1st> no it does not have that yet.
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> Some use pyNeighborhood
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> others use the fuse...
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> fuse... daemon?
[04:41] <Arkh_> I do use fuse
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> fuse something
[04:41] <Arkh_> sfusesmb
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> fusesmb
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> yes
[04:41] <Maximilian1st> thx
[04:41] <Arkh_> ops bad keyboard here :p
[04:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no and it was decided that thunar won't have smb network
[04:42] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: what else can you recommend then?
[04:42] <Arkh_> why not TheSheep ?
[04:42] <Maximilian1st> Thunar will most likely rely on a backend for this.
[04:42] <TheSheep> Arkh_: it's a file manager and not a do-everything-I-need application -- they want to keep it simple
[04:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: fuse is probably the way to go
[04:43] <Arkh_> oh I see :p
[04:43] <Maximilian1st> I use pyNeighborhood here and it is ok
[04:43] <Arkh_> I just find it very useful..
[04:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you can use Thunar normally with such a mounted share
[04:44] <hyper_ch> thx TheSheep
[04:44] <Maximilian1st> pyNeighbourhood has the facility to add a username and password for some shares...
[04:44] <Maximilian1st> fuse hasn't
[04:44] <hyper_ch> well, I use konqueror :)
[04:44] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: it doesn't?
[04:45] <TheSheep> Maximilian1st: I recall specifying user and password when using sshfs, assumed smbfs would be similar
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> You can use ssh-agent with fuse (for sshfs at least) and no password is needed
[04:45] <mark007> Could someone point me to where I can get a nightly build of xubuntu? I'm trying to give a cd to a friend with a dialup connection that I'm seeing tomorrow, but won't see again till way after the 19th
[04:45] <Maximilian1st> http://www.ricardis.tudelft.nl/~vincent/fusesmb/#todo
[04:45] <mark007> Or even a PreRelease candidate. I assumed that they would be publishing an ISO for that...
[04:48] <mrsno> mark007 i believe the xubuntu rc is being uploaded this evening, if you prefer to wait for that
[04:49] <mrsno> otherwise http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ :)
[04:51] <mark007> Awesome. I'll wait. I'm trying to give her the most stable version that I can since she has dialup.
[04:51] <mark007> Thanks mrsno :)
[04:52] <mrsno> no prob :)
[04:52] <mark007> Does much development usually happen during this last week?
[04:52] <mark007> I've only been around for this one release cycle :-)
[04:53] <Arkh_> feisty release candidate?
[04:53] <mark007> Yeah, does much change past the release candidate?
[04:54] <mrsno> im not current with it all mark007 but i believe yesterdays iso had a problem and thats why we are waiting again
[04:54] <mrsno> but i believe kernel freeze happens before the release candidate
[04:55] <mrsno> so im not sure how much gets added for main packages, apart from big problems
[04:57] <mrsno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule :)
[04:58] <mark007> Yeah, I've been staring at that for centuries :-)
[04:58] <mark007> I didn't see a RC for ubuntu either, so that's why I wondered.
[04:59] <Arkh_> I read that they had a coupl of problems for some ATA devices and for a network pnale plugin
[05:02] <hyper_ch> !nvidia
[05:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:23] <hyper_ch> is that true?   "Large parts of feisty are broken.  Including booting, and a 403 on the kernel.  Please stop asking - the answer will not change.  /msg ubotu breakage for more info.  Yes, the repositories will be updated when fixed.  Don't use feisty on production systems.  Expect breakage.  Rinse and repeat"
[05:34] <TheSheep> looks true
[05:34] <grazie> hyper_ch: Oh dear! Where does that quote come from?
[05:35] <hyper_ch> grazie: someone posted it the german channel and I got the same notice when I run glxgrears
[05:35] <hyper_ch> but I wonder why do I get that in the terminal when running glxgears???
[05:37] <rici> does anyone have a recommendation for something to make animated screen captures from xubuntu?
[05:38] <grazie> rici: screencasting?
[05:38] <rici> i want to do a demo of a lua debug/vim integration, but screenshots don't cut it
[05:38] <rici> i just wanted to record a bit of a debugging session
[05:39] <rici> is that screencasting? :)
[05:40] <rici> i figured most people wouldn't have vim-full installed so they won't be able to try it at home unless motivated by seeing how cool it is.
[05:40] <rici> watching the gvim window adjust to the context of the debugging session is quite neat. At least, I get a kick out of it.
[05:40] <rici> it's changed my whole approach to debugging
[05:40] <grazie> rici: istanbul may do it...not used it myself though
[05:41] <rici> thanks, i'll look at that
[05:44] <rici> the demo screencast doesn't reproduce correctly in ff :)
[05:45] <rici> the aspect ratio is totally warped.
[05:45] <rici> although it is otherwise totally what i was looking for
[05:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:48] <hyper_ch> hiho slow-motion
[05:48] <slow-motion> hi hyper_ch
[05:50] <kallepersson-lap> Hi there
[05:51] <kallepersson-lap> Is it hard to make your xubuntu act as a  web server?
[05:51] <kallepersson-lap> By that I mean only HTTP
[05:51] <somerville32> Nope.
[05:52] <hyper_ch> very simple
[05:52] <kallepersson-lap> How nice
[05:52] <kallepersson-lap> I guess that installing httpd and apache is a good first step?
[05:53] <hyper_ch> apache is httpd
[05:53] <Arkh>  kallepersson-lap install lamp :p
[05:53] <hyper_ch> kallepersson-lap: sudo apt-get install apache2   --> that's it
[05:53] <Arkh> linux apache mysql php
[05:53] <kallepersson-lap> oh
[05:53] <hyper_ch> kallepersson-lap: except if you want more than just a pure apache... e.g. php and mysql...
[05:54] <kallepersson-lap> lamp might be a good ide
[05:54] <hyper_ch> then I would install it differently :)
[05:55] <h3sp4wn> p can be python/perl/php - php is definately the worst (I think mod_perl is the nicest)
[05:56] <kallepersson-lap> oh
[05:56] <kallepersson-lap> Hmm
[05:56] <kallepersson-lap> awesome
[05:56] <Arkh> lol
[05:56] <hyper_ch> php is not worst :)
[05:56] <hyper_ch> php is good :)
[05:57] <Arkh> php has a LOT of functions ;)
[05:57] <hyper_ch> Arkh: is hasn't a function yet to build auto-websites that rank no. 1 in google for great keywords :)
[05:58] <Arkh> we are just finishing that be patient :P
[05:58] <hyper_ch> Arkh: hehehe
[05:58] <kallepersson-lap> Haha
[05:59] <kallepersson-lap> php is good
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> It is a horrible language php
[05:59] <Arkh> lol h3sp4wn
[05:59] <hyper_ch> it's not
[05:59] <hyper_ch> php is simple
[05:59] <kallepersson-lap> but perhaps not something that Bank should use for their online services
[05:59] <hyper_ch> perfectly made for simple minded creatures like me
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> badly designed
[05:59] <Arkh> are you kidding?
[05:59] <kallepersson-lap> A friend of mine use to say "PHP is an uglyhack"
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> kallepersson-lap: sounds like your friend was right
[06:00] <Arkh> I see ASP users here? ;)
[06:00] <hyper_ch> h3sp4wn: M$ says the same about linux
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> Arkh: Look at its security record and lack of consistantly
[06:00] <h3sp4wn> hyper_ch: I don't care what MS says
[06:00] <rici> grazie: "Need to get 7063kB of archives. After unpacking 39.0MB of additional disk space will be used."
[06:00] <rici> i'm not going to be trying that before lunch time, i think.
[06:01] <Arkh> php is definitely one of the best options for simple web programming
[06:01] <Arkh> it is well documented what else would you need?
[06:02] <grazie> rici: i think there's a ubuntu server set up somewhere that can record desktop screencasts using vnc
[06:02] <grazie> rici: unfortunately I don't remember where
[06:04] <rici> welll, i've started the apt-get now.
[06:04] <rici> i'll let you know how it goes
[06:04] <kallepersson-lap> Arkh, im not saying that PHP is bad
[06:04] <kallepersson-lap> PHP is good for dynamic web pages
[06:05] <kallepersson-lap> heck, I use PHP every day myself
[06:05] <kallepersson-lap> But it feels quite unstable
[06:05] <grazie> Arkh: if you believe the hype you must have ruby or python
[06:05] <Arkh> I don't know much since I am not a web developer
[06:06] <Arkh> I just happened to write something and I like that style :p
[06:06] <kallepersson-lap> hyper_ch: So do I, but only because I have to
[06:06] <rici> i guess that's well-known
[06:06] <h3sp4wn> I dislike php more than even I dislike python - mod_perl is ok (with template toolkit or catylst)
[06:06] <grazie> !lua
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lua - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <grazie> viola
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> ruby on rails is supposed to be good
[06:07] <rici> yeah, well.
[06:07] <rici> it's in apt
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> rici: Do you use ion3 ?
[06:07] <rici> i have, but i'm using a standard xubuntu right now.
[06:07] <h3sp4wn> You write the extensions in lua I believe
[06:07] <rici> mostly i use mac os x
[06:08] <rici> yes, you do.
[06:08] <h3sp4wn> The small programming language is quite nice
[06:08] <Agafonov> install apache2 by sinaptic
[06:08] <Agafonov> Then place html files to /var/www/ folder.
[06:08] <rici> lighttpd uses lua for its url manipulation functions, it's a lot easier than mod_rewrite
[06:09] <kallepersson-lap> Thanks for your help btw
[06:09] <kallepersson-lap> its on its way down
[06:23] <rici> grazie: installing istanbul did something evil to firefox. not your fault, just to let you know :)
[06:24] <rici> it seems to somehow have disabled svg support
[06:25] <rici> no, it's my fault. i appreciate the advice
[06:25] <rici> you did say you hadn't tried it.
[06:26] <rici> when the install finished, all my firevixen disappeared
[06:26] <rici> and when i started them up again, there was this wierd thingy in the middle of the screen,
[06:26] <rici> and it gave me an error on an svg i had open from before when it re-opened the session.
[06:27] <rici> odd
[06:27] <rici> firefox just barely works, so nothing it does surprises me.
[06:39] <Will^Draven> what do i need to do to update to the feisty beta?
[06:40] <kalikiana> Wow, my system has locked up completely a moment ago. I wonder where to start lookin for the problem...
[06:40] <kalikiana> I could not even get into a terminal.
[06:41] <Will^Draven> err, nevermind, i gotta run, guess i'll wait for the final release ;-)
[06:41] <grazie> Will^Draven: you may be wise not to right now
[06:42] <grazie> Will^Draven: you could download the feisty beta alternate cd and upgrade with that as a safe option
[06:43] <grazie> Will^Draven: but upgrading from repos will prolly break your system right now
[06:44] <grazie> kalikiana: which system version?
[06:46] <kalikiana> grazie, Edgy :)
[06:48] <grazie> I must admit, I get quite a few resets and lockups on x86, but not on ppc with edgy
[06:52] <kalikiana> Actually it's been a while that I couldn't even get a virtual terminal. But it's still a shock every time. :)
[06:53] <Arkh> kalikiana, ati ?
[06:54] <kalikiana> Arkh, yes.
[06:54] <Arkh> fglrx?
[06:54] <kalikiana> No, the free one.
[06:54] <Arkh> mhm fglrx sucks
[06:54] <kalikiana> The crazy thing is that I did not do anything special.
[06:54] <Arkh> my desktop freezes once a while
[06:55] <Arkh> like once a month
[06:55] <kalikiana> I know that problem, but I belive switching from fglrx to the open driver fixed it.
[06:55] <kalikiana> Now I am afraid of fullscreen opengl programs only :P
[07:59] <jlist> hi all, does anyone know if xubuntu is getting a new file explorer in 7.04?
[08:01] <Arkh> i really don't think so jlist
[08:01] <Arkh> what's wrong in thunar?
[08:06] <Arkh> hi Grey_Loki
[08:06] <Grey_Loki> 'lo Arkh :)
[08:09] <qiuhou> Hi, got a question regarding the Xubuntu 7.04 Beta system menu
[08:10] <qiuhou> how are the items selected? And can I change them?
[08:11] <Grey_Loki> !7.04
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 7.04 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:11] <Grey_Loki> !feisty
[08:11] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[08:11] <qiuhou> ok
[08:11] <Grey_Loki> Sorry, that was for me :P
[08:11] <Grey_Loki> I don't know.
[08:11] <Arkh> qiuhou, it is a bit hard :p
[08:11] <Arkh> you have to edit the .xml file :p
[08:11] <qiuhou> ok, which one?
[08:16] <jlist> Arkh: thunar crashes quite a bit
[08:16] <Arkh> qiuhou, ~/.config/desktop/menu.xml
[08:17] <Arkh> jlist, it never crashed on my pc
[08:17] <jlist> hmm. ok
[08:17] <Grey_Loki> If I want decrease the load time of apps, aside from swapping out the processor, adding more RAM to my system would provide a noticeable increase, right?
[08:18] <jlist> just hope windows explorer is available on linux...
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> Grey_Loki: prelinking could help depending on what apps you want to make load faster
[08:18] <qiuhou> Arkh: yes, that's the main menu. Now there's a reference called <include type='system'...>
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> Grey_Loki: (if its kde apps and kde is prelinked then you don't have to load kdeinit)
[08:18] <Arkh> do you want to edit the things inside system qiuhou ?
[08:18] <qiuhou> which refers to another menu. That I want to change
[08:19] <Grey_Loki> h3sp4wn, Opera, firefox and terminal.
[08:19] <qiuhou> I'm missing some entries so I thought abount adding them
[08:19] <Grey_Loki> *the terminal
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> Grey_Loki: If you use something like urxvt the load time will be faster
[08:19] <Grey_Loki> I don't load the KDE...compatability thing (?) at boot anyways - just the gnome one.
[08:19] <Arkh> qiuhou, cd /usr/share/applications
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> Grey_Loki: I don't bother loading that
[08:20] <qiuhou> a lot of .desktop files
[08:21] <Arkh> some of them have NoDisplay=True
[08:21] <qiuhou> ok
[08:21] <Arkh> remove that
[08:21] <Grey_Loki> Hmm.
[08:21] <Arkh> there you can choose where the app should be located in the menu
[08:21] <Grey_Loki> If I don't load it, does that mean I can't use gnome apps
[08:21] <Grey_Loki> ?
[08:21] <qiuhou> I see
[08:21] <Arkh> i.e. Categories=Development;Utility;TextEditor;
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> Grey_Loki: Not at all
[08:22] <Arkh> qiuhou, I didn't do that though
[08:22] <qiuhou> have experience about adding altogether new items?
[08:22] <Grey_Loki> h3sp4wn, alright, it's gone then :P
[08:22] <Arkh> no sorry :p
[08:22] <qiuhou> ok, thanks so far :)
[08:22] <Arkh> i don't like messing up with that
[08:22] <Arkh> np =)
[08:24] <Grey_Loki> Argh. it would be gone, -if- I could find it
[08:42] <limbert65> Quick request for recommendation for 1) screen lock applet, 2) lightweight podcast client.
[08:42] <limbert65> ...for xubuntu 7.04
[08:42] <Grey_Loki> You can lock the screen by pressing ctrl+alt+del
[08:42] <Grey_Loki> Or add a 'launcher' for it in the panel.
[08:43] <limbert65> Wow.  Feel even dumber for not knowing that.
[08:43] <limbert65> thanks.
[08:43] <Grey_Loki> np :)
[08:45] <Grey_Loki> But I don't know about the podcast client.
[08:45] <Grey_Loki> Do you just mean something for you to record your voice with?
[08:46] <limbert65> no, I mean a podcatcher app.  SOmething to automatically download audio podcasts from different sites.  I know Rhythmbox does it, and so does PenguinTV, but I was looking for something very simple and lightweight
[08:46] <limbert65> I am currently using hpodder, which is command-line, but that's a bit TOO light.
[08:47] <somerville32> Code a GUI for hpodder then? :P
[08:47] <limbert65> ok, give me a minute....
[08:47] <limbert65> ;-)
[08:47] <Penguat> or mod it into something
[08:49] <Grey_Loki> limbert65, I don't know if this any help, but Opera has an RSS syndication client, so perhaps you could use Opera to download said podcasts?
[08:51] <limbert65> Thanks, loki.
[08:51] <qiuhou> Hey Arkh, I got it working
[08:52] <grazie> limbert65: opera is my browser of choice, but I prefer to use a webclient like bloglines for rss syndication. I very rarely get podcasts though
[08:55] <Arkh> very good qiuhou
[08:55] <Arkh> how?
[08:55] <Arkh> editing the .desktop entries?
[08:56] <qiuhou> yes
[08:56] <qiuhou> I wanted to have a audio mixer shortcut right in that menu
[08:57] <qiuhou> so I copied another .desktop file, renamed it and changed the values as I thought they might fit
[08:57] <qiuhou> no I got a mixer entry in the menu
[08:58] <qiuhou> sry: NOW I got a mixer entry...
[09:04] <schlumpf-> hi im trying do disable noexec and noexec32 how can i do that?
[09:22] <snarfer> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:22] <snarfer> .........
[09:22] <snarfer> That's not good at all.
[09:23] <Merchelo> heh, no it's not the best idea
[09:25] <snarfer> Why would gcc not have executable funcitons?
[09:27] <rici> that's not actually what that error means
[09:27] <rici> did you apt-get build-essentials?
[09:27] <rici> are you on a 64-bit platform?
[09:27] <rici> what are you trying to compile?
[09:28] <rici> that error is produced when the automake script cannot produce the simplest possible executable with the configured c compiler, which usually means the configuration is wrong.
[09:29] <rici> ubuntu installs without a usable development environment, because, and i quote, "95% of ubuntu users don't need it and would be annoyed by the space it takes up"
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> I wonder what percentage would never use openoffice
[09:30] <snarfer> I don't think I installed 64-bit ubuntu
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> why not ?
[09:30] <snarfer> But I have a 64-bit processor
[09:31] <snarfer> I was trying to install k9copy
[09:31] <snarfer> apt doesn't find it
[09:31] <rici> h3sp4wn: i haven't used openoffice yet
[09:31] <rici> but i've compiled lots of programs :)
[09:31] <rici> apparently i'm in the 5%
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> rici: I am in the same situation as you
[09:31] <rici> sorry... it was just a little snark
[09:32] <rici> i don't see 95% of the 95% being annoyed at the lack of a sensible build environment, personally.
[09:32] <h3sp4wn> pbuilder is the build environment really though
[09:32] <rici> unless they're installing on antique equipment, it's not really going to get in the way... but maybe that's me
[09:33] <rici> snarfer: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[09:33] <rici> if that doesn't work, we'll try something else
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> !info k9copy
[09:33] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0~beta1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 630 kB, installed size 1708 kB
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> !info k9copy feisty
[09:33] <ubotu> k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.0~beta2-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 649 kB, installed size 1764 kB
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> snarfer: enable multiverse
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> snarfer: (unless you particularly want to compile it)
[09:34] <snarfer> !multiverse
[09:34] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:45] <snarfer> Strange, I enabled multiverse
[09:45] <snarfer> And did a apt-get reload
[09:48] <schlumpf-> i need to update wine
[09:48] <schlumpf-> i downloaded the files but what now
[09:48] <schlumpf-> i unpacked them but thats it so far
[10:00] <Mr_Bunny_> Is there a keyboard shortcut to change workspaces?
[10:08] <snarfer> !figlet
[10:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about figlet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:08] <snarfer> :/
[10:10] <snarfer> !mplayer
[10:10] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[10:11] <snarfer> !multiverse
[10:11] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[10:13] <siimo> hi when will xfce 4.4.1 hit Fawn ? >.<
[10:33] <jlist> hi, is there a way to make the toolbars smaller? toolbars in terminal/thunar/... are taking lots of screen space
[10:40] <Arkh> jlist, decrease font size?
[10:42] <jlist> Arkh: i have font size 11
[10:43] <jlist> font in the terminal window is not large
[10:43] <jlist> in thunar, it's the toolbar. in Terminal, it's the tags that are too big
[10:43] <Grey_Loki> What's your screen resolution?
[10:43] <jlist> 1024 * 768
[10:43] <Arkh> menu -> settings -> settings manager -> user interfcae
[10:45] <jlist> in "user interface", font size is set to 11 pt
[10:45] <jlist> and toolbar style does not seem to affect thunar or terminal tabs
[10:48] <jlist> don't you get huge tabs in terminal?
[10:48] <TheSheep> jlist: examine your .gtkrc and .gtk2rc
[10:48] <TheSheep> I mean .gtkrc-2.0
[10:48] <TheSheep> jlist: you might have some additional rules there or in your gtk theme that force large fonts
[10:49] <jlist> hmm. but the font in the tabs are not large
[10:50] <jlist> the tabs are...large enough to hold two lines of text :)
[10:50] <TheSheep> jlist: the margins would also be defined there
[10:50] <jlist> and the toolbar in thunar doesn't have text in it
[10:50] <jlist> ok ok let me check
[10:51] <TheSheep> also try switching your theme and see if it goes away
[10:51] <jlist> hmm. .gtkrc-2.0 does not exist in my home dir
[10:53] <jlist> no. changing the scheme only changes color
[10:54] <TheSheep> *only* color?
[10:57] <jlist> yeah, from what i can notice in terminal window
[10:57] <jlist> only tab color, not size
[11:03] <TheSheep> jlist: ah, you do know that the files that have names starting with a dot are hidden?
[11:04] <TheSheep> jlist: so that the .gtkrc-2.0 file woudn't be displayed in Thunar by defualt
[11:07] <jlist> yes, i see other hidden files
[12:02] <iNoob> I think edgy is trying to load a usb storage module for my usb mouse =O
[12:03] <iNoob> I'll just unplug it
[12:09] <Grey_Loki> Is there a way to regenerate the XFCE programs menu, to add new applications?
[12:10] <kallepersson-lap> there is some xml somewhere
[12:10] <Grey_Loki> I just installed kmuddy from a deb which I generated from the suse source binary on the website, since it didn't seem to be in any of the 'verses, but the command 'kmuddy' doesn't run it
[12:13] <slow-motion> n8