[00:01] <knome> MD-11, applications -> settings -> appearance -> fonts
[00:01] <MD-11> i dont have appearece under my application -> settings
[00:01] <MD-11> appearance
[00:01] <knome> MD-11, which xubuntu version?
[00:01] <MD-11> wait
[00:02] <MD-11> 7
[00:02] <knome> 7.what?
[00:02] <MD-11> i just remember that was 7 , but which command can i type to figure it out exactly?!
[00:03] <knome> "lsb_release -a"
[00:05] <MD-11> sorry i really cant read.....but sorry it is 8 something!
[00:06] <MD-11> it is impossible to read any stuff there
[00:07] <MD-11> but i am sure that appereance is not under application -> settings
[00:15] <MD-11> thanks knome.... i found the font size...but nothing changed!!! i might forget about xubuntu and go back to windows server!
[00:15] <knome> MD-11, why did you install server and then xubuntu?
[00:16] <MD-11> i was going first to use just the server edition
[00:16] <MD-11> however it makes life difficult without a GUI
[00:16] <knome> MD-11, have you tried the live cd?
[00:16] <MD-11> and i decided for xubuntu because that is the lighter interface!
[00:16] <MD-11> no!
[00:17] <knome> please calm down
[00:43] <MD-11> knome, what is exactly the xorg.conf file...i mean it is only used by xfce or by gnome too?!
[00:44] <MD-11> sorry if this is a very newbie question
[00:44] <knome> MD-11, it's used by X, and everything graphical runs on top of X
[00:45] <MD-11> ok thanks...
[00:45] <MD-11> i oculd revert the situation by starting a gnome session...do you know any guide where i can correctly configure both video driver and monitor?
[00:46] <knome> !graphics
[00:46] <knome> !xorg
[01:05] <MD-11> thanks
[01:06] <MD-11> how can i update my video card driver, i have a ati i128 rage....that is a old card, and the solution that i saw so far for these cards dont include this one
[03:34] <numberjacks> hello. im trying to save x configurations and get this error message " Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'! " how to fix it? thank you.
[04:08] <HowardtheDuck> hey
[04:08] <HowardtheDuck> what's up
[04:33] <oorah> how do i downgrade my Xubuntu version?
[04:47] <oorah> how do i downgrade my Xubuntu version?
[05:16] <gRnt> Hi all I have been trying to mount a windows shared folder I have to my xubuntu desktop install so I can stream media over to my laptop but I can't seem to get it to work from any of the tutorials, I currently have samba and smfbs installed :s
[05:20] <likemindead> !ntfs
[05:20] <likemindead> That help, gRnt?
[05:22] <gRnt> likemindead: ill try that again though it confused me initially, when I try and connect through the GUI under System-> Remote Fileshares. I put in the windows name of my PC, and the name of the shared folder, then hit next and it keeps prompting for a username and password even though I don't have paswords set for the share...
[05:23] <likemindead> That's all I've got, gRnt. Sorry. I haven't used Windows in years....
[05:25] <gRnt> likemindead: must be a windows thing, if I share my home directory on my laptop windows sees it....hrrrm......frustration ensues :D
[05:26] <likemindead> Stick with it! You'll persevere. I'm sure it's something small.
[05:26] <gRnt> likemindead: yep as soon as I put a password on my account it worked...pitty I don't need one, might make another username with a password for it then so I can log into this without it...siigh haha
[07:14] <gRnt> Hi all I am trying to use Gigolo or pyneighbourhood to access some windows shares. Gigolo seems to see my shares but won't open them and pyneighbourhood seems to fail at scaning the workgroup my windows machines  are on. Where can i go from here?
[07:15] <gRnt> Oh just fyi there are nothing wrong  with my windows shares been acessing them for ages
[10:53] <Carnophage> anyone NOT using the new gdm in 9.10?
[12:50] <Mystique> hey all
[12:50] <Mystique> anyone around?
[12:51] <Mystique> I'm trying to install 9.10 on a dell and it doesn't see any drives..
[12:52] <Mystique> and I have two sata disks that show up in dmesg
[14:03] <kurakuska> salve a tutti
[14:04] <vinnl> What?
[14:04] <kurakuska> o
[14:04] <kurakuska> ok
[14:04] <kurakuska> moment
[14:05] <kurakuska> i want install usb key"huawei e 169" on xubuntu 9.4 alternate
[14:05] <kurakuska> i'm italian
[14:05] <vinnl> You should just be able to plug it in and use it
[14:05] <vinnl> Sorry, English only here...
[14:06] <kurakuska> it's ok
[14:06] <kurakuska> i traslate
[14:08] <kurakuska> can you help me
[14:10] <kurakuska> bey
[14:53] <likemindead> Never used a webcam before. Recommendations? I'm looking at this page http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/
[15:01] <lilyshu> hi, i have a problem when i try to install adobe air app Tweetdeck ( http://tweetdeck.com ) it was install successfully but when the program starts i get an error msg like " your computer is in a very number computer that cannot run adobe air well ". im on xubuntu karmic. thanks
[15:02] <vinnl> Hmm? Can you post original error message? That sentence doesn't really make sense
[15:03] <lilyshu> hi, i have a problem when i try to install adobe air app Tweetdeck ( http://tweetdeck.com ) it was install successfully but when the program starts i get an error msg like " your computer is in a very number computer that cannot run adobe air well ". im on xubuntu karmic. thanks
[15:08] <lilyshu> vinnl : it looks like your computer is one of a very small number of computers that don't play well with adobe AIR, we're actively working with Adobe on this.
[15:09] <vinnl> lilyshu, ah. That sounds like you're very unlucky - a problem they know of that prevents it from working on your computer. You can only hope that they fix it soon :(
[15:09] <vinnl> Perhaps you can contact the Tweetdeck developers and see whether they already have a fix in, I don't know, an unreleased version or something. Perhaps they can give you that to use
[15:11] <lilyshu> vinnl : yeah maybe, i can only run this app with ubuntu, kubuntu & xubuntu get that error msg. but right now im on xubuntu ;)
[15:11] <vinnl> Ah, hmm, that's an odd error :S
[15:12] <lilyshu> vinnl : yes, unsatisfied dependencies?
[15:13] <vinnl> lilyshu, have you installed Xubuntu on top of Ubuntu or along with it?
[15:13] <lilyshu> vinnl : its clean install :)
[15:15] <vinnl> Right. Then indeed it's probably missing some package, but that's odd because then Tweetdeck could tell you what you should install.  I liked Gwibber but indeed the bugs were annoying. I now post through GNOME Do
[15:20] <vinnl> Not sure if you want to use that
[15:22] <lilyshu> never tried gnome do before but i'll give it a shot.
[15:52] <Carlo73TB> hi
[16:15] <lilyshu> hi
[16:43] <subspider> i'm having a problem with my sound card
[16:43] <subspider> i don't know why
[16:43] <subspider> the sound is not good is like breaking
[16:43] <subspider> do you guys now why
[16:43] <subspider> ??
[16:44] <subspider> hey Sysi
[16:44] <subspider> can you help me
[16:45] <vinnl> subspider, you need to be more specific. How exactly is it not working? Can't you hear anything, is it distorted, ...?
[16:45] <subspider> distorced like little breaks
[16:46] <vinnl> How many applications do you have open? Is your computer slow?
[16:46] <subspider> no it's good i can have loke 3 4 applaications
[16:46] <subspider> it satrated doing these alone
[16:46] <vinnl> Do you know if you have installed PulseAudio?
[16:47] <subspider> yeap i do
[16:48] <vinnl> Perhaps the issue is over there
[16:48] <vinnl> !sound
[16:48] <vinnl> subspider, check that page, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[16:56] <ldez> Upon booting up my Xubuntu machine this morning, my xfce panel is all borked. Everything has been moved to the left, my launchers for things like Firefox, Thunderbird have been replaced by generic icons who's tool tip says "New Item". The Applications menu has a different icon and says "Xfce Menu" instead of Applications, the text "Places" has just collapsed in to an icon.. How can I reset all this to normal?
[16:56] <subspider> done
[16:57] <vinnl> ldez, ouch. I'm afraid you'll have to reconfigure everything manually :(
[16:57] <subspider> my sound is working great :D thnks vinnl
[16:58] <vinnl> subspider, good to hear :)
[16:58] <subspider> i just had to unistall and reinstall alsa-utils
[16:58] <ldez> My dad said he didn't download any updates on here yesterday.. Everything was fine before I shut it down.. What would cause this all to go nuts? None of the items on the panel can be moved, either.. So I don't know how I can manually set everything back to proper.
[16:58] <vinnl> Nice
[16:59] <vinnl> Not sure what happened, I've had it happen to me once or twice, I believe that had to do with my hard drive being full
[16:59] <subspider> ledz did you restart you pc again??
[16:59] <vinnl> You should be able to move them by right-clicking and selecting Move
[16:59] <vinnl> You could also delete the panel and add a new, clean one
[16:59] <ldez> I rebooted it once after attempting to delete ~/.cache/sessions
[16:59] <subspider> yea
[16:59] <subspider> i did that
[16:59] <ldez> And "Moving" things doesn't work.. nothing responds.
[17:00] <vinnl> Ow, hmm :S
[17:00] <vinnl> Perhaps you could give it a try in #xfce
[17:00] <subspider> ok try these
[17:00] <ldez> And yeah, it seems like my /home partition is full.. good call vinnl.
[17:00] <vinnl> :)
[17:01] <subspider> hm
[17:01] <subspider> so is that
[17:01] <subspider> i didn't know
[17:01] <subspider> i had the same problem
[17:16] <Morgan1> hello
[17:16] <vinnl> !hi | Morgan1
[17:17] <Morgan1> hey
[17:18] <Error> i was here again some time ago. i did remove some libs from my system, so when i logged in i had no gui only a console. now i run (sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop), to get all missing dependancies but still when kubuntu loads i only get a konsole (where i enter credentials). what can i do?
[17:18] <Morgan1> i came here looking for a bit of help with ubuntu,
[17:18] <vinnl> Error, this is a Xubuntu channel, you're probably looking for #kubuntu
[17:19] <Morgan1> lol opps sorry :-[
[17:19] <vinnl> Morgan1, heh, and you're looking for #ubuntu i suppose :)
[17:20] <Morgan1> lol yeah thanks
[17:29] <ldez> So vinnl.. you said you had something similar to this happen before.. I'm thinking maybe does xfce recognize that a /home partition is full and move some config files on to an available partition? Because i've tried deleting my .config and .cache but it keeps redrawing the same broken panel.. so I'm thinking maybe its being stored else where also?
[17:30] <xylox> hi, i want to share file using samba, when i connect from win it says the shared folder is not accessible, because i don't have the permissions, any suggestions please
[17:31] <xylox> i tried to modify permissions with thunar but when i modify anything it just reverse without applying the changes
[17:31] <vinnl> ldez, I don't think so...  Also, which version of Xubuntu are you using?
[17:31] <ldez> 9.10, and yes.
[17:31] <xylox> i'm using xubuntu 8.04
[17:31] <vinnl> xylox, what steps have you taken to share the folder?
[17:32] <ldez> xylox: you might need to change permissions as root? if you are just an unpriveleged user, the changes might not take.
[17:32] <vinnl> Oh wait, the panel doesn't yet store its configuration in xfconf I suppose
[17:32] <xylox> vinnl, in the share folders wizard, add the folder i wanted to share
[17:32] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[17:33] <xylox> vinnl, then iadded smb user with smbpasswd
[17:34] <xylox> ldez, im opening thunar as root and then click properties on the folder, that should open as root right?
[17:34] <ldez> Aye
[17:35] <xylox> ldez, dont know why it keeps reversing changes
[17:35] <ldez> Reversing changes seems to be in the air today.. grrrr xfce..
[17:37] <psicobra> hi all i have just done a fresh install of 9.10 but the max resolution i can get is 800x600 i have an intel graphics card running on a 32" lcd TV max res 1360x768
[17:37] <vinnl> !resolution
[17:37] <vinnl> psicobra, try checking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[17:38] <psicobra> thanks vinnl i looked there already but to be honest i didn't really understand what it was trying to tell me
[17:39] <vinnl> psicobra, what part didn't you get?
[17:39] <psicobra> i did the xrandr command witch gave me
[17:39] <psicobra> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 800 x 600, maximum 2048 x 2048
[17:39] <psicobra> VGA1 connected 800x600+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[17:39] <psicobra>    800x600        60.3*
[17:39] <psicobra>    640x480        59.9
[17:40] <psicobra> so i tried xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 and nothing happened
[17:40] <vinnl> psicobra, did you prefix it with "sudo"?
[17:40] <psicobra> no
[17:41] <vinnl> Perhaps you could try that
[17:41] <psicobra> still nothing
[17:41] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[17:42] <psicobra> i looked at this xrandr --addmode S-video 800x600
[17:42] <psicobra> i am not using s-video
[17:42] <vinnl> Well, I don't really understand that page either. I'd wait around here for a bit until someone reads this who does
[17:42] <psicobra> it is vga
[17:42] <psicobra> so how would i change it
[17:46] <Err0r> hi is there a repair function in ubuntu livecd? or whats the command to install nvidia driver or even the generic driver for gpu via terminal?
[17:46] <Err0r> xubuntu i mean
[17:48] <vinnl> What kind of repair function?
[17:48] <vinnl> And you can install things using "sudo apt-get install <packagename>"
[17:50] <Err0r> vinnl : i kinda damaged my nvidia driver
[17:50] <Err0r> and i want to switch to generic
[17:50] <Err0r> also i would like a check of my system so see if any default libs are missing
[17:50] <Err0r> is any such command?
[17:50] <Err0r> (compared i mean to the installation)
[17:50] <vinnl> If you run "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" from the command line then you should have everything that's required
[17:51] <Err0r> ok
[17:51] <Err0r> cool
[17:51] <Err0r> how do i remove my nvidia proprietary drivers
[17:51] <Err0r> in general
[17:52] <Err0r> so i can switch back to the generic one?
[17:54] <vinnl> If you know the package names you can remove and install them with apt-get
[17:56] <Err0r> vinnl : so i must delete nvidia
[17:56] <Err0r> packages
[17:57] <vinnl> Err0r, and install the generic ones
[17:57] <vinnl> You can search which you need at packages.ubuntu.com
[18:02] <ldez> psicobra: Try looking in your /boot/grub/menu.lst and find the line that corresponds to the operating system you boot from... Check and see if it has a "vga=" parameter in it
[18:02] <ldez> There should be a table or something I believe in menu.lst that can tell you a code to put after vga= to correspond to a given resolution
[18:02] <ldez> Maybe that could kick it out of S-Video "mode" and in to realizing it should be vga
[18:23] <Err0r> does anyone know how can i remove by konsole the nvidia drivers i got from their site (it was a bin i installed with sh command)
[18:25] <Lazure> hello, i am running xubuntu as a guest in virtualbox. i created a secondary .vdi harddisk file and formatted it with GParted to ext4. i did sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 /media/datadisk to mount it.
[18:26] <Lazure> however, it refuses to let me drag any files to it or save to it
[18:26] <Lazure> what do i have to do to enable write capabilities to a new drive like that?
[18:36] <slow-motion> hi
[18:54] <Err0r> IS THERE A WAY TO GO BACK TO MY DEFAULT GENERIC GPU DRIVER?
[19:39] <dbdii407> Guys. I'm having a problem with xUbuntu 9.10. The mouse will stop clicking objects on the desktop after a while.
[19:45] <valdu55> Hello. I want edit my menu
[19:45] <valdu55> "Start" menu
[19:45] <vinnl> valdu55, Xubuntu 9.04 or higher?
[19:46] <valdu55> file:///etc/xdg/xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu , i edited this file and now i see Double Help and i want not see "About"
[19:46] <valdu55> Karmic
[19:47] <valdu55> Other items are OK.
[19:47] <vinnl> valdu55, http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[19:51] <valdu55> oh nice.
[19:52] <vinnl> Would be even nicer if you could do it graphically ;-) But that's coming :)
[20:00] <valdu55> :) Edit files, its no problem
[20:03] <valdu55> Need just edit files in usr/share/applications/ and then is all OK
[20:06] <valdu55> OK thamks
[20:06] <valdu55> BB i go sleep
[20:06] <valdu55> Good night
[20:23] <jarbas> hi. I'm sure this is a beginner question (because I am one) but I got confused while reading some articles.
[20:23] <jarbas> I've mounted a fat32 partition /dev/sda3 ,  to store Virtual box files and other data,
[20:24] <jarbas> dev/sda3            3188        4864    13470502+   b  W95 FAT32
[20:24] <jarbas> with command:
[20:24] <jarbas> # sudo mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 /dev/sda3 /media/z
[20:24] <jarbas> How can I have that partition to mount automatically on boot and give me rights to use it?
[20:24] <vinnl> !fstab
[20:25] <vinnl> jarbas, see above :)
[20:26] <jarbas> vinnl, what should I do? (regarding the above)
[20:27] <vinnl> jarbas, read those websites :)
[20:27] <jarbas> well, I did it. That's why I came here as a last resort to clarify my doubts
[20:27] <aeonoris> I'm attempting to enable graphics acceleration on my netbook, but I can't find the xorg.conf file (normally in /etc/X11/).  I am running Karmic.
[20:28] <vinnl> aeonoris, it's not really used anymore, Xorg now autoconfigures, or something.
[20:28] <vinnl> jarbas, oh, then someone more knowledgeable of /etc/fstab should drop by
[20:29] <aeonoris> vinnl, so there's no way to edit what is enabled and what isn't?
[20:29] <jarbas> vinnl, tks. ( on the page: "A range of free support options are also available from the Ubuntu Community, including forums, IRC channels and mailing lists." )
[20:31] <vinnl> aeonoris, yes, only if you have a guide that uses that file it might need to be updated, or something. I'm not exactly sure. Wait, perhaps ubottu knows
[20:31] <vinnl> !xorg.conf
[20:31] <vinnl> Hmm :S
[20:31] <vinnl> jarbas, yeah, but not everybody watches this channel constantly :)
[20:31] <vinnl> So perhaps someone will read your question in a while
[20:31] <jarbas> i know :)
[20:31] <jarbas> thanks
[20:47] <_Pete_> jarbas: that hand made mount works good?
[20:48] <_Pete_> the same added to fstab would be:
[20:48] <_Pete_> /dev/sda3   /media/z   iocharset=utf8,umask=000   0  0
[20:49] <jarbas> _Pete_,  yes
[20:50] <jarbas> i'm trying this approach: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1191085&highlight=mount+partition+fat32+at+boot
[20:54] <st4n> Hi, I'm installing an old PC with xubuntu, all is working fine, but sound does not works. the mixer works (if I rise the volume, I can hear some parasites in the headphone), but no sound when I play a cd
[20:55] <vinnl> st4n, only when you play a CD? You can hear e.g. sounds with movies? Which application are you using to listen to CDs?
[20:56] <st4n> vinnl: hum, I'm starting the old pc, wait 3 mn plz, I'm using the default music app of xubuntu
[20:58] <jarbas> _Pete_, well I think the problem is/was I've mounted the partition on filesystem (/MEDIA) and not under /HOME
[20:58] <st4n> vinnl: maybe I sould try to play a mp3?
[20:59] <vinnl> st4n, yeah or an audio file from /usr/share/example-content
[20:59] <_Pete_> jarbas: what matters that the mountpoint dir exists = /media/z in your case
[20:59] <st4n> vinnl: ok, I'll try that (the pc still has not booted :)
[21:00] <jarbas> _Pete_,  i thought so... but anyway, I need to work now on the command for fstab
[21:00] <_Pete_> you mean editor?
[21:00] <_Pete_> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[21:01] <_Pete_> should be easy enough
[21:01] <jarbas> _Pete_, to mount on boot. probably will do the trick
[21:02] <jarbas> _Pete_, btw, that directory exists and Virtualbox worked fine. --- until a reboot I made and everything is now ONLY under root privileges
[21:04] <_Pete_> jarbas: so it's mounted /media/z but only root can write?
[21:05] <jarbas> yes _Pete_
[21:05] <_Pete_> try to chmod 777 /media/z
[21:05] <_Pete_> if that help
[21:05] <jarbas> ok :)
[21:10] <jarbas> _Pete_, it accepted the command but still not showing folders/files. maybe on a reboot? (sorry to bother you)
[21:10] <_Pete_> dunno
[21:11] <jarbas> it's ok, I'll keep trying until this turn out to be a toaster machine or something :)
[23:58] <Person[a]> hi


[00:04] <Unit193> mapreri: Would you be willing to copy debhelper's backport of the no-op dh_movetousr to jammy?  I don't need it yet, but not sure if any other backports might.
[11:20] <mlankhorst> Why do I get FIXME-IN-THE-SOURCE-SECTION when doing dpkg-buildpackage on rust-bindgen from debian?
[11:20] <mlankhorst> on mantic
[11:20] <mlankhorst> rust-bindgen-cli_0.66.1-3_source.changes: 16e5b1946a9430612b7a27063877f77a 2506 FIXME-IN-THE-SOURCE-SECTION optional rust-bindgen-cli_0.66.1-3.dsc
[12:24] <jbicha> mlankhorst: that's not an Ubuntu bug 😉 anyway it will be fixed on the Debian side soon
[12:55] <mlankhorst> jbicha: yeah should be rust there
[13:25] <ahasenack_> ginggs: hi, do you recall why you assigned this bug to yourself? https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape-client/+bug/2006402
[13:25] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2006402 in landscape-client (Ubuntu Jammy) "Update focal, jammy to landscape-client 23.02" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[13:27] <ginggs> ahasenack_: I sponsored the uploads for jammy and focal
[13:28] <ahasenack_> I just found out that the verification had failed, but the tags were not flipped. I fixed that, and I think you should not be assinged now, wdyt?
[13:29] <ginggs> ahasenack_: agreed, thanks
[14:02] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu 24.04 is Noble NANIMAL: https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1715303697981362241
[18:29] <jbicha> mlankhorst: rust-bindgen-cli 0.66.1-4 was uploaded to fix that issue
[19:34] <ahasenack_> is there a tool to verify if translated strings contain the same variable references?
[19:34] <ahasenack_> for example, a python string that says "until {date}"
[19:34] <ahasenack_> and the translation only has "até" (missing the {date})
[19:35] <ahasenack_> this is gettext, btw
[19:35] <ahasenack_> was wondering if msgmerge had some flag, since it recognizes this format (it adds the flag ", python-brace-format")
[20:59] <JanC> ahasenack_: not tested, but msgfmt has the --check-format option for C format strings (printf syntax), no idea if it also works for Python format strings...
[20:59] <ahasenack_> it might, thanks!
[21:02] <ahasenack_> JanC: it flagged the missing {date}! Nice
[21:03] <ahasenack_> pt_BR.po:1319: a format specification for argument 'date' doesn't exist in 'msgstr'
[21:04] <JanC> \o/


[07:31] <ara> good morning!
[09:04] <alourie> good day
[09:14] <jibel> good morning alourie
[09:37] <alourie> hi jibel
[09:38] <alourie> how's everything in the qa land?
[10:52] <davmor2> morning ara
[10:53] <ara> good morning davmor2
[10:53] <ara> how's everything?
[10:54] <davmor2> ara: good thanks, got to move soon though so everything is upside down at the minute
[10:54] <davmor2> how about you?
[10:55] <ara> davmor2, I didn't know you were moving!
[10:58] <davmor2> ara: yeah it's not long happened,  basically the flat we are in is tied into Sues job and they've now successfully change how her job works and we need to move,   so we are just packing up while we wait on the flat we want just down the road.
[10:59] <ara> davmor2, good luck with that :-) Moving is always a bit of a pain
[11:00] <davmor2> ara: even more so when you weren't planning on it :D
[19:54] <amorphous1> cr3, la backup va etre complet ~ 7 minutes
[20:13] <amorphous1> cr3, c'est fait
[20:13] <cr3> amorphous1: merci!
[21:17] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: where do I get the builds again/topic
[21:18] <charlie-tca> !daily
[21:18] <ubot4> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:18] <cprofitt> thanks charlie-tca
[21:18] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:18] <cprofitt> and the iso testing tracker --- how does stuff go in to that...
[21:19] <charlie-tca> we use the iso testing tracker when testing the milestones; pre alpha1, 2, beta, rc
[21:19] <cprofitt> ok
[21:19] <cprofitt> none of these look like Natty yet
[21:19] <cprofitt> I should say the liveCDs
[21:19] <charlie-tca> it is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[21:20] <cprofitt> daily has natty... daily live looks to still be Maverick
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Natty is not ready yet. It will be alpha1 about dec 2, so we will start testing alpha 1 about November 29 or 30
[21:21] <cprofitt> ok... so wait to start testing until then?
[21:21] <charlie-tca> We don't track the daily testing there
[21:21] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:21] <cprofitt> ok -- I will have one hardware testing and one VirtualBox testing machine
[21:21] <charlie-tca> although some of us will be testing it daily or weekly
[21:21] <cprofitt> I will get those built by then
[21:22] <charlie-tca> help is always welcomed
[21:24] <cprofitt> You just let me know what to do and I will get it done
[21:24] <cprofitt> and as I gain experience I will try to form a BT team to focus on testing as well
[22:12] <czajkowski> charlie-tca: how goes that write up ?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> still going
[22:13] <charlie-tca> I did not forget that, just got busy with other crap
[22:37] <czajkowski> ok
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Thanks for the reminder, though. I will work at it and get it done
[23:54] <charlie-tca> czajkowski: I posted to the wiki.


[00:00] <wgrant> Hmm, how many tests do we have?
[00:00] <lifeless> how many would you like?
[00:00] <wgrant> Since this run just finished in less than three hours.
[00:01] <wgrant> 11369 tests.
[00:01] <lifeless> nice
[00:01] <wgrant> Not sure how long it should take on this machine, so I guess it could be right.
[00:01] <lifeless> cleaner layering ?
[00:02] <wgrant> Three errors left to fix, then could you throw it at EC2?
[00:02] <lifeless> delighted to
[00:07] <wgrant> lifeless: PgTestSetup only respects LP_TEST_INSTANCE if it matches the value in BaseLayer. But TestPgTestSetup is layerless, so BaseLayer is unconfigured.
[00:07] <wgrant> I suppose I could just call BaseLayer.setUp.
[00:07] <wgrant> Or mvoe TestPgTestSetup into BaseLayer...
[00:08] <wgrant> Ah, it already calls BaseLayer.setUp in other places. I guess I'll do that.
[00:08] <lifeless> ahm
[00:08] <lifeless> I see
[00:09] <lifeless> I the dynamic stuff is only part polished - that is, it works.
[00:09] <wgrant> Yep.
[00:09] <lifeless> but we should get rid of the support for static instances altogether (again, have to remove the persistent helper support)
[00:09] <wgrant> Maybe once the librarian doesn't take 8 seconds to start.
[00:10] <lifeless> zcml.
[00:10] <lifeless> I keep saying I want to nuke it; I really am serious :)
[00:10] <lifeless> well
[00:10] <lifeless> I want to remove the global nature of it
[00:10] <lifeless> we shouldn't pay to import all of lp to run 300 lines of code
[00:12] <wgrant> Sure.
[00:18] <wgrant> lifeless: Why is LP_TEST_INSTANCE an envvar?
[00:19] <wgrant> It presumably won't be crossing process boundaries...
[00:19] <lifeless> helpers
[00:19] <wgrant> Hm?
[00:19] <lifeless> librarian etc
[00:19] <lifeless> gnerally we'll want to set a config section up
[00:19] <wgrant> Don't they use LPCONFIG?
[00:20] <lifeless> but it can be useful to introspect
[00:20] <lifeless> also
[00:20] <lifeless> the reinvoke logic
[00:20] <lifeless> which reinvokes the runner
[00:21] <wgrant> So, at the moment PgTestSetup respects LP_TEST_INSTANCE. But it only does that when BaseLayer is set up, and BaseLayer sets LP_TEST_INSTANCE to the PID.
[00:21] <wgrant> So the two tests that PgTestSetup respects the var are a little wrong.
[00:21] <lifeless> hang on
[00:21] <lifeless> why do you say 'But it only does that when BaseLayer is set up,'
[00:22] <lifeless> thats now how I read the code in lib/canonical/ftests/pgsql.py
[00:22] <lifeless> s/now/not/
[00:22] <wgrant> In PgTestSetup.__init__, the end of the PgTestSetup.dynamic branch checks that the instance name matches BaseLayer.
[00:23] <lifeless> to call config.reloadConfig()
[00:23] <wgrant> If it matches, it uses the calculated name. If not, it reverts to the old one.
[00:23] <jml> lifeless: I have some more pictures
[00:23] <lifeless> jml: cool
[00:23] <jml> lifeless: http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lpstats/good-and-bad.png
[00:23] <jml> lifeless: http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lpstats/good-and-bad-by-time.png
[00:23] <jml> and then different versions of the same data...
[00:23] <wgrant> Ah, nice.
[00:24] <jml> http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lpstats/how-many-tests-are-slow.png
[00:24] <jml> http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lpstats/good-and-bad-by-time-bar.png
[00:24] <jml> subunit-ls + openoffice
[00:24] <lifeless> jml: do you have one with the area
[00:25] <lifeless> test time per test * tests in that bucket
[00:25] <jml> lifeless: yes, that's what good-and-bad-by-time is
[00:25] <jml> lifeless: it's the sum of the times of tests in that bracket
[00:25] <lifeless> cool
[00:25] <lifeless> so, start on the 100s tests?!
[00:26] <jml> lifeless: yeah, exactly
[00:26] <jml> I also like that we actually have six orders of magnitude of test run times
[00:27] <jml> the sole 1000s test is actually ~200s
[00:27] <lifeless> you could drop the first 3 off without loss of usefulness
[00:27] <jml> I guess I could have been more strictly logarithmic
[00:27] <wgrant> jml: Not the 120s Windmill test that I just found?
[00:27] <wgrant> Or does that count as 100s?
[00:27] <jml> wgrant: subunit-ls
[00:27] <jml> sorry...
[00:28] <lifeless> wgrant: that may be the same one, machine variation.
[00:28] <wgrant> lifeless: Indeed.
[00:28] <wgrant> But most of it is sleeping.
[00:28] <wgrant> So...
[00:28] <jml> gzip -dc some-run.subunit.gz | subunit-ls --times | awk '{ print $2 " " $1 }' | sort -n | tail
[00:28] <lifeless> jml: I'd like a leverage graph
[00:28] <jml> wgrant: not-found-traversal.txt used to be mostly sleeping
[00:29] <lifeless> jml: http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lpstats/good-and-bad-by-time.png scaled down by tests-per-bucket
[00:29] <jml> as in, the more tests the wider the bar, say?
[00:30] <lifeless> jml: or less height
[00:30] <wgrant> jml: Yeah, test_inline_subscriber is indeed the longest test.
[00:30] <lifeless> jml: 'time spent running those tests / count(those tests)'
[00:30] <jml> right
[00:30] <wgrant> Followed by two Soyuz ones /o\
[00:30] <jml> was just typing that
[00:30] <jml> lifeless: easy enough to do
[00:31] <lifeless> I think that that would show the buckets with the most return - amount of time saved per test fixed in that bucket (on average)
[00:31] <jml> I might also shift to be log(run_time) rather than n s.t. 10**(n-1) < run_time <= 10**n
[00:31] <jml> int(log(run_time)), of course
[00:32] <lifeless> wgrant: so I'm confused
[00:32] <lifeless> wgrant: this branch was spread over 2?3?months
[00:32] <jml> lifeless: btw
[00:33] <lifeless> and more tz changes than is desirable.
[00:33] <wgrant> Heh.
[00:33] <jml> lifeless: my last two blog posts link to paste bins with subunit scripts
[00:33] <lifeless> jml: yes, I saw ;)
[00:33] <jml> lifeless: in my ideal world, someone would make them better and upstream them.
[00:34] <wgrant> lifeless: Do you see what I mean about the BaseLayer thing?
[00:34] <wgrant> At the end of the PgTestSetup.dynamic branch.
[00:34] <lifeless> wgrant: I'm trying to remember *why*
[00:34] <wgrant> Ahh.
[00:35] <lifeless> wgrant: do what makes sense to you
[00:35] <wgrant> Apart from that one there are only three Twisted-ish tests failing, all of which have an 'error' but no error message.
[00:35] <lifeless> if all the tests pass, we can land this devilish branch
[00:35] <wgrant> Which is a little disturbing.
[00:35] <lifeless> and iterate later
[00:35] <lifeless> its already had plenty of skew issues with trunk.
[00:35] <wgrant> Yep.
[00:36] <lifeless> jml: I think that would be ideal too
[00:36] <wgrant> I'll just make it set up BaseLayer and use the PID instead of 'xx'.
[00:36] <wgrant> For now;
[00:36] <jml> lifeless: it'll be a little while before I move on to subunit hacking though. still have a chunk of testtools stuff that I want to get done
[00:37] <jml> lifeless: I'm most of the way through a draft of testtools manual for test authors
[00:38] <lifeless> cool
[00:39] <jml> it's making me realize there's stuff I want to be able to say but can't yet
[00:42] <wgrnat> Any ideas on how to debug http://paste.ubuntu.com/537289/? Three errors left in the branch, but no error message.
[00:42] <wgrnat> I've not seen this before...
[00:43] <lifeless> isn't that what henninge was seeing?
[00:43] <lifeless> perhaps merge devel
[00:44] <wgrnat> lifeless: Hah, true, it's on devel too.
[00:45] <lifeless> still?
[00:45] <wgrnat> Yeah.
[00:45] <lifeless> :<
[00:45] <lifeless> buildbot is clean
[00:45] <wgrnat> As is Hudson.
[00:45] <lifeless> ><
[00:45] <wgrnat> But it's reproducible on three machines here.
[00:45] <wgrnat> All Maverick, though.
[00:46] <lifeless> >,
[00:46] <lifeless> ok
[00:46] <lifeless> push
[00:46] <lifeless> me pull
[00:46] <lifeless> we ec2
[00:46] <wgrant> Pushing...
[00:47] <wgrant> Done.
[00:49] <lifeless> its with ec2 now
[00:50] <wgrant> Thanks.
[00:50] <lifeless> the lib/lp/registry/tests/test_mlists.py was fugly
[00:50] <wgrant> Did you change it?
[00:50] <lifeless> we shouldn't need to use popen directly  - or at least have a helper for passing the right LPCONFIG around.
[00:51] <wgrant> This one was sort of special, since it needs the appserver config.
[00:51] <lifeless> still
[00:51] <wgrant> I removed the other LPCONFIG stuff.
[00:51] <lifeless> no i didn't
[00:53] <lifeless> librarian next?
[00:53] <wgrant> Just waiting for it to merge.
[00:53] <wgrant> Come on LP...
[01:02] <lifeless> I love the way the upstream/downstream linking is coming together
[01:06] <wgrant> lifeless: --parallel is rather silent.
[01:07] <lifeless> wgrant: feel free to slap any reporter you want on it
[01:07] <wgrant> lifeless: No idea whatsoever how to do that!
[01:07] <lifeless> wgrant: the easiest way is --subunit | subunit2pyunit
[01:07] <wgrant> It seems to be working, as postgres is going crazy.
[01:07] <wgrant> Aha.
[01:08] <wgrant> Thanks.
[01:08] <lifeless> or --subunit | tribunal -
[01:09] <jml> lifeless: http://people.canonical.com/~jml/lpstats/duration-over-count.png
[01:09] <lifeless> jml: interesting
[01:09] <lifeless> thanks
[01:10] <jml> lifeless: np
[01:10] <jml> basically, there are "only" ~250 tests that are between 10s and 100s long
[01:11] <jml> whereas all the other categories are between ~800 and ~5000
[01:12] <jml> if I could do SQL on subunit streams, I could probably get a per-layer thing fairly easily
[01:14] <lifeless> that would be nice
[01:14] <lifeless> though time-in-layer isn't very intereseting to me
[01:15] <jml> I guess not
[01:15] <jml> I'd like to break things down by package a bit more too
[01:15] <jml> but that involves still more Python that I can't be bothered writing
[01:18]  * jml off
[01:19] <lifeless> ciao
[03:00] <lifeless> [03:00] <lifeless>     Hard / Soft  Page ID
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[03:00] <lifeless>       92 /  233  BugTask:+index
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[04:49] <lifeless> wgrant: zomg
[06:14] <lifeless> wgrant: pqm bailed, dunno why
[06:14] <lifeless> have forwarded you the mail
[06:14] <lifeless> oh, I do know why
[06:14] <lifeless> it thinks a schema patch is there, I think
[06:25] <lifeless> sent to db-devel instead
[07:04] <wgrant> lifeless: Ah, of course, I had to change fti.py :/
[08:23] <lifeless> and its landed
[08:24] <wgrant> Some time ago.
[08:24] <wgrant> And Hudson hasn't blown up yet.
[08:28] <wgrant> lifeless: librarian branch seems to be fairly happy. Just a few hardcoded URLs to sort out.
[08:28] <wgrant> And an odd localhost/launchpad.dev conflict in URL generation.
[08:28] <lifeless> wgrant: cool
[08:29] <lifeless> wgrant: jml cherrypicked an early subsection of my work to debug some issues with librarian tests
[11:48] <jml> lifeless: oh yeah, I forgot to tell you about that
[14:05] <nigelb> heh, only now I saw the lp repo, love the "<kiko> we are changing the world, one commit at a time"
[17:00]  * maxb chuckles at discovering /srv/importd.launchpad.net/production/launchpad-rev-11887-sigh/ in logs :-)
[17:24] <lifeless> jml: :)
[17:25] <jml> lifeless: I've got to head out now, but I'd appreciate it if you could look at the new & updated testtools MPs
[17:26] <lifeless> shure
[17:26] <lifeless> jml: did you see
[17:26] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless/launchpad/subunit/+merge/42023
[17:26] <jml> lifeless: I did, but not the details.
[17:26] <jml> lifeless: it's good stuff :)
[17:26] <lifeless> jml: https://code.launchpad.net/~jml/testtools/unexpected-success-2/+merge/42050 looks wrong
[17:27] <lifeless> oh
[17:27] <lifeless> its an incremental diff
[17:27] <lifeless> I think that needs to be called out
[17:27] <lifeless> or something
[17:27] <jml> it's still a beta feature. file bugs.
[17:27]  * jml really does have to go
[17:27] <jml> lifeless: thanks for looking
[22:54]  * thumper calmly walks away from the laptop to avoid putting his fist through the screen
[22:54] <thumper> mwhudson: do you have a minute to talk?
[23:01]  * thumper lunchinates
[23:12] <mwhudson> thumper: in general, yes
[23:24] <StevenK> wgrant: O hai
[23:27] <wgrant> StevenK: Hi.
[23:28] <StevenK> wgrant: What do you think of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stevenk/launchpad/db-spph-ancestry/+merge/41943 ?
[23:29] <wgrant> StevenK: 'The previous release of this source package.'
[23:29] <wgrant> It's not always.
[23:29] <wgrant> It could be a previous override.
[23:30] <wgrant> Also, have you checked that we can sanely populate it, in all locations that create SPPHs?
[23:30] <wgrant> Also, in the case of a copy, it will be in another archive.
[23:30] <StevenK> wgrant: I've been checking that we can actually populate it for existing data
[23:38] <wgrant> I'd quite like to add a creator field at the same time.
[23:38] <wgrant> It would mean that we had actual proper copying histories.
[23:55] <StevenK> wgrant: This would work much better if I actually knew all the places SPPHs were created :-)
[23:56] <wgrant> StevenK: Search for all invocations of SourcePackagePublishingHistory and newSourcePackagePublishingHistory?
[23:56] <lifeless> wgrant: so, reckon on fixing Archive:+index today
[23:56] <wgrant> Ah, yeah, got distracted by parallel testing.
[23:57] <lifeless> a good distraction to be sure


[00:22] <apachelogger> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/153175/comments/11
[00:46] <vorian> pic stealer JontheEchidna
[00:46] <vorian> :P
[00:48] <apachelogger> vore: huh?
[00:50] <apachelogger> vorian: even ;-)
[00:50]  * apachelogger is getting tired
[00:51] <vorian> apachelogger: jonny boy used my cube shot
[00:51] <apachelogger> omg
[00:51] <apachelogger> screenshot recycling
[00:51] <apachelogger> vorian: if yours was at least good looking :P
[00:51] <apachelogger> *were
[00:52] <apachelogger> something with w at least
[00:52] <vorian> apachelogger: i didn't like it so well
[00:52] <vorian> i'll work on a cleaner shot
[00:52] <apachelogger> ~np
[00:52] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Colors Of The Wind" by Disney
[00:52] <vorian> \o/
[00:53] <apachelogger> uh, nemphis has to blog about the countdown pic
[00:53] <apachelogger> jonny boy does as well
[00:54] <ScottK> I'm waiting for someone to steal my screenshot for a blog: http://kitterman.com/kubuntu/1005081116a.jpg
[00:55] <apachelogger> vorian: go blog about that
[00:56] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am going to enhance the runtime patch a bit
[00:56] <ScottK> OK.
[00:56] <ScottK> It'll be a few hours if at all before I'm up for some sponsoring tonight.
[00:56] <vorian> apachelogger: blog about what?
[01:01]  * claydoh will either unsub (for real) fro K-U maillist, or drop a nuke on it :(
[01:03] <apachelogger> claydoh: what did they do?
[01:04] <claydoh> the usual crap whining, and the fact that I am no good at responding well in there
[01:04] <claydoh> from the same usual suspects for the most part
[01:05]  * claydoh should waste less time there, spend more in kubuntuforums
[01:05] <claydoh> its m y job anyway :)(
[01:05] <apachelogger> claydoh: what are they whining about?
[01:05] <claydoh> lack of kde3
[01:05] <claydoh> in intrepid
[01:06] <apachelogger> cute :)
[01:06] <claydoh> lack of 'listening to the users'
[01:06] <ScottK> claydoh: Got that on ubuntu-devel-discuss too.
[01:06] <claydoh> from the developers
[01:06] <apachelogger> I love mankind
[01:06] <apachelogger> I need a tshirt for that
[01:06] <ScottK> Although I think the kdvi guy has a point.
[01:06] <claydoh> crying about dophin
[01:06] <claydoh> still
[01:06] <ScottK> Dolphin is painful, IMO.
[01:06] <apachelogger> ScottK also did that :P
[01:06] <ScottK> I'll join them.
[01:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: you just need to get used to it
[01:06] <claydoh> I like it myself
[01:07] <apachelogger> it actually does most things better than konqueror ever did
[01:07] <ScottK> Now that I know how to get the 'edit' bar up there so I can actually type in where I want to go, it's looking better.
[01:07]  * ScottK needs to figure out how to get it to waste less screen space.
[01:08] <claydoh> using a laptop as my only system and using KDE4 has actually made me a bit more productive
[01:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: new patch at http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-runtime_4.1.2-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff
[01:08] <claydoh> ScottK: yeah, imo the info icon on the left pane is too big
[01:08]  * apachelogger never uses the panes
[01:09] <apachelogger> the shortcut thingies can be acces throught he icon in the address bar
[01:09] <apachelogger> and saves _a lot_ space
[01:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: btw, there is a setting for the addressbar
[01:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: settings -> configure -> editable location bar
[01:10] <claydoh> I like how you can drag the panels areound, have places and Info in tabs on one side,
[01:10]  * apachelogger never was a fan of pointydragy GUIs
[01:10] <claydoh> but the info pane makes the placces pane too big
[01:10]  * claydoh is a gui guy
[01:11] <apachelogger> then again that might be due to the extreme ranting markey used to do about them
[01:11] <apachelogger> then again markey used to be a good GUI designer
[01:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: going to enhance it again ;-)
[01:18] <claydoh> so do  you guys ignore users' issues and concerns ? ;)
[01:18]  * claydoh doesn't think so
[01:19] <apachelogger> I certainly do
[01:19] <apachelogger> markey also used to say that we know better than users
[01:19] <claydoh> I have always found at least answers fro you
[01:19] <apachelogger> then again I think I know better than anyone :P
[01:20] <claydoh> well there has to be at least a little of that in order to get anything done
[01:21] <claydoh> the ditro's devel team to me is supposed to provide a sane set of defaults *they* deem to be good
[01:21] <claydoh> we are free to either use, modify, or go somewhere else
[01:21] <claydoh> or join in  and hel of course
[01:24] <apachelogger> I like the last part most :D
[01:26] <claydoh> I really need to get focused on something useful
[01:26] <claydoh> I miss hand-writing rpm spec files for wine, back when I used Lycoris
[01:27] <apachelogger> well
[01:27] <claydoh> back when they pissed off users by switching to kde3
[01:27] <apachelogger> I miss being a user :(
[01:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: enhanced diff at the same url
[01:34] <ryanakca> apachelogger: you have upload rights to main?
[01:35] <apachelogger> ryanakca: nope, maybe after tuesday :)
[01:36] <ryanakca> apachelogger: bummer, good luck :)
[01:36] <apachelogger> thx
[01:37]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field
[01:37] <apachelogger> .tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search
[01:37] <apachelogger> that is one long url :D
[01:37]  * ryanakca mumbles something about tinyurl :D
[01:38] <ryanakca> Would it be worthwhile to stick the kdebase-runtime debian dirs in bazaar/LP ?
[01:39] <ryanakca> s/dirs/dir/g
[01:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping, could you upload the fix attached to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/278620 please ?
[01:41] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I certainly would like to have all the kde core debian dirs in bazaar
[01:41] <apachelogger> makes collaboration a lot easier
[01:42]  * ryanakca nods
[01:42] <apachelogger> backports as well
[01:42] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I am going to merge your runtime diff with mine
[01:43] <ryanakca> apachelogger: okies
[01:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-runtime_4.1.2-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff Scott will eventually get round to upload, otherwise jr might have time tomorrow
[01:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: splendid... All of our current bzr'd packages are in Merge mode (only debian/ directory is revisioned?)
[01:51] <ryanakca> correct?
[01:51] <apachelogger> well
[01:51] <ScottK> ryanakca: We tried bzr/LP during Gutsy and it was just too slow to be usable.
[01:51] <apachelogger> note exaclty
[01:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: gutsy was ages ago though :)
[01:51] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yes as to you have to use merge mode
[01:51] <ScottK> Every time I touch it again it seems painfully slow.
[01:51] <apachelogger> I think pretty much all of them are missing the necessary configs
[01:52] <apachelogger> so you will actually have to run --merge -e
[01:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I prefer a slow RCS over no RCS
[01:52] <ScottK> Pick one I know how to use and we'll talk.
[01:53] <apachelogger> well
[01:53]  * ryanakca mumbles something about svn-inject being splendidly simple to use and quite fast
[01:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: RTFM :P
[01:53] <apachelogger> bzr got the undeniable advantage that everyone with a lp account can take part
[01:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: -ENOTIME for an Ubuntu unique VCS.
[01:54] <apachelogger> everything else would require a seperate login
[01:54] <ScottK> Yes, I know it's used elsewhere but I've never run into it outside Ubuntu.
[01:54] <apachelogger> ryanakca: svn is not fast
[01:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think mysql uses it
[01:55] <apachelogger> but yeah, it is pretty ubuntu unique
[01:55]  * ryanakca shrugs... it might just be all the rapidly scrolling text that gives me the impression that it's doing a lot, fast...
[01:55] <apachelogger> then again it is not really complicate to master
[01:55] <apachelogger> only merging and resolving conflicts need a bit of reading
[01:55] <apachelogger> everything else is pretty much like any other rcs anyway
[01:56] <apachelogger> ryanakca: use git and you know what fast looks like ;-) in addition to that you will also know what overly complex looks like :P
[02:11] <ryanakca> vorian: any progress on bug 277909? I'm willing to look a bit more in depth...
[02:12] <vorian> ryanakca: have at it
[02:12] <apachelogger> ryanakca: IIRC Scott reported a bug where he stated that the nonscaliness applies to all card games
[02:12] <vorian> default deck sucks, that's all there is to it
[02:13] <vorian> apachelogger: yea, it's the default deck
[02:13] <vorian> a possible work around is select a deck, and forget default altogether
[02:14] <apachelogger> well
[02:14] <apachelogger> I would suggest talking to the kdegames doods first and find a most appropriate solution for intrepid
[02:14] <apachelogger> they need to fix it one way or another anyway
[02:15] <ryanakca> vorian: are we installing the kdegames default deck, or are we the ones selecting a crappy default deck?
[02:17] <vorian> we have no patches specific to the deck
[02:17] <apachelogger> stupid patches!
[02:17] <vorian> we can patch it to select another deck?
[02:18] <vorian> although this might just be a bug we don't fix, as it's just a really bad default
[02:18] <apachelogger> well
[02:18] <apachelogger> I told you
[02:19] <apachelogger> talk to the games d00ds and find an appropriate solution
[02:19] <apachelogger> if we can fix the defaults for all card games at once we shoudl patch it
[02:19] <apachelogger> if we can't kds is the way to go
[02:19] <apachelogger> is this the way to smokarillo... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is_This_the_Way_to_Amarillo
[02:19] <apachelogger> afk
[02:24] <ryanakca> vorian: Yes, we can patch it to select another deck... And I'll poke the games people tomorrow after school... I need to finish my homework :)
[02:25] <vorian> roger
[02:25] <vorian> well, it was more of a question if we should
[02:25] <vorian> :)
[02:26]  * apachelogger is off to the batbed
[02:26] <apachelogger> nini
[02:26]  * JontheEchidna goes to hack on cube/sphere/cylinder
[02:26] <vorian> JontheEchidna: you should update the cube pic
[02:27] <vorian> new one is 10000x better
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> the cube cap? Or the background?
[02:27] <vorian> and not so revealing of my modes and secret ubuntu forums stuff
[02:27] <vorian> it's just a better shot
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> oh, rite
[02:27] <vorian> more default
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> the blog
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> that will bump it back up to the top again \o/
[02:27] <vorian> lol
[02:28] <vorian> i changed mine without bumping it :P
[02:28] <vorian> but
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> blogspot must be dumb
[02:28] <vorian> if you do pump it again, use the counter \o/
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> damn, we have 30 incomplete bugs in base-workspace
[02:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we need to discuss fish versus sftp?
[02:40] <ScottK> vorian: IMO the current default (when it's rendered properly) is a lot more readable than the alternatives (kdegames bug).  Dunno why it got worse between 4.0 and 4.1
[02:41] <Hobbsee> ScottK: did you feel a sense of deja vu with that licencing guy from a few days ago?
[02:42] <ScottK> I suppose.  Why, has he been here before?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah.  screenname<numbers>
[02:43] <Hobbsee> pretty close to teh same wording, too.
[02:43] <vorian> he's been on irc Hobbsee?
[02:44] <ScottK> I didn't specifically recall him.
[02:44] <ScottK> eagles$whatever is one I always remember.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> vorian: today?  No, haven't seen him.  I noticed him in -motu a few days ago.
[02:44] <vorian> hmm
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, he was here yesterday, so has managed to ge ta few bans nwo.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK: (ban evasion)
[02:44] <ScottK> Yeah.  Great.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> would be happy to do the deed here too, if you like.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> well, a few bans instead of a quiet
[02:45] <ScottK> I'll let you know.
[02:45] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:45] <ScottK> Anytime he show's up I'm tempted to tell him something like, "Dude, you hit on Hobbsee in #kubuntu-testers and not only that did it in a specatularly pathetic way.  No way do you get listened to here."
[02:46] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hehe.  I tend to go with "this is not a soapbox area, and you have to actually be productive" as the reason for any action.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> but yes, that too.
[02:47] <ScottK> Showing up and soapboxing is recoverable.  I think what he did isn't.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> not when he continuously does it.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> but, yes.
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> holy crap
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> reading a diff of a diff is painful
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> vorian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/54511/
[03:11] <JontheEchidna> could you test that since you can haz effects like cylinder and sphere?
[03:11] <vorian> sure thing
[03:12] <JontheEchidna> big thx
[03:13] <vorian> building now
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> Oh and thinking about it, re-enabling the window preview on tooltips effect will probably have some stuff needed to be added to kde-window-manager.install
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> so that probably won't work atm, heh.
[03:18] <vorian> what won't work, the window preview?
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah, reenabling it probably generates new files not in the .install
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> urgh, have to go
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> be back tomorrow
[03:24] <vorian> nn
[08:56] <Riddell> good morning lovely kubuntuers
[08:59] <Tm_T> morgen
[08:59] <Tonio_> hey Mr Riddell ^^
[09:00]  * Tm_T had honeymoon-weekend and now making plasma presentation materials in a rush
[09:01] <Riddell> honeymoon?  like with a woman?
[09:03] <Tm_T> no, laptop... ofcourse with a woman in my case (:)
[09:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: and only 6 weeks for scheduled babytime
[09:03] <Tm_T> so busy times are these
[09:03] <Riddell> goodness, congratulations
[09:04] <Tm_T> thanks, sir
[09:23] <Tonio_> Tm_T: wow, congrats :)
[09:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: kipi-plugins for kde4 are out, interested in having them packaged ?
[09:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that we have gwenview that will use the kde4 ones and digikam that'll use the kde3 version....
[09:26] <Tonio_> allee: interested in testing kde4 kipi-plugins packaged ?
[09:28] <allee> Tonio_: maybe later tonight, where are they.  Currently I'm  busy right now testing my new FAI pkgs.
[09:40] <apachelogger> good morning gears
[09:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: we already did in the bug.... KDE actually suggests sftp over fish, the latter is not as well maintained and got serious issues with non-latin characters, so since sftp works out of the box on Kubuntu just as well as fish it makes sense to have knetattach use sftp. fish is still available for those who need/want to use it.
[09:42] <apachelogger> Tm_T: I am getting a brother/sister?
[09:42] <Tm_T> apachelogger: ye
[09:42] <apachelogger> omg
[09:42] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:42]  * apachelogger hugs Tm_T
[09:42] <Tm_T> <3
[09:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you already digg through the weekends highlights? ;-)
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee: ouch.... FAI :)
[09:58] <Tonio_> allee: maybe later then, I'm working on the packaging right now
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: only if it's possible to install them alongside
[10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: no, did anything get uploaded?
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: ScottK is working on kdebase-runtime, since he tries to get the stack building on hppa again
[10:53] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/?C=M;O=A base artwork and workspace need uploads
[11:01] <Riddell> ScottK has an hppa?
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, I was considering digikam-kde4
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is currently beta4 status, so maybe we could consider ship with kde4 versions of digikam, kipi-plugins and gwenview no ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there any reason to keep digikam kde3 ?
[11:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: digikam upstream really want us to use kde 3 version
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay that makes sense ;)
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum btw, kipi needs current kde4.2 trunk to be packaged, libkdcraw 4.1 is deprecated..... so we'll have to wait :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> -> jaunty
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded except for kdebase-runtime
[12:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks :)
[13:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about moving workspace to bzr :P
[14:42] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  I don't have hppa, but I can harrass people who do to look at stuff.  Just trying to do what I can to beat ports into shape.
[14:43] <Riddell> groovy, you hold lock on that kdebase-runtime patch then
[14:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Well not today.  I ended up being up a good part of the night with a sick dog and have a long offline meeting this afternoon, so today I can't get much done.  I'd say go ahead and if it needs a rebuild for hppa later, I'll deal with it.
[14:50] <Riddell> righty ho
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Could anybody here who can do desktop effects test kdebase-workspace from here? https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+archive/
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> Need to see if sphere and cylinder work now
[14:57] <rgreening> morning all
[14:59] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: One other thing before I go: I don't know if you've been following the kdvi thread on ubuntu-devel-discuss, but I'm convinced that it provides a piece of functionality that isn't present elsewhere in the archive.
[15:00] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I've made a version of kdegraphics from 3.5.10 that only builds kdvi, kviewshell, and the docs package.
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> I'd like to upload that (after I test it some more) as kde3graphics.
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> Since you're the KDE FFe guy, I'm looking at you for approval.
[15:01] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: seems good to me
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> It doesn't conflict with and KDE4 stuff AFAIK.
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[15:01] <Riddell> does kdvi need kviewshell?
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[15:01] <ScottK-laptop> Won't build without it.
[15:02] <Riddell> I'd be tempted to just call the source package kdvi
[15:02] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[15:02] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe I can move the needed kviewshell bits into kdvi.
[15:03] <ScottK-laptop> I need to beat the -docs-html bit around some to only provide the needed docs and not ALL of them.
[15:03] <ScottK-laptop> I've currently got it building and installing.
[15:03] <ScottK-laptop> I'll have that tonight or tomorrow.
[15:11] <nixternal> anyone else running a dual monitor with intrepid?
[15:17] <Riddell> nixternal: seaLne maybe
[15:17] <seaLne> yep
[15:19] <seaLne> nixternal: and \sh
[15:20] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: okular doesn't do dvi?
[15:22] <nixternal> seaLne: any troubles at all?
[15:22] <nixternal> I have an intel gm965 or whatever, and my 2nd monitor is blinking
[15:22] <nixternal> the stuff in system settings doesn't work at all
[15:23] <seaLne> sometimes 2 cashews on the left and none on right currently only one on left none on right
[15:23] <nixternal> hrmm, did you customize your xorg.conf at all?
[15:23] <nixternal> ya, I got the shadowed cashew with hardy
[15:24] <seaLne> \sh had more problems than me
[15:24] <nixternal> are you using xrandr?
[15:25] <seaLne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54652/
[15:26] <seaLne> xorg stuff didn't work in hardy for me had to manually xrandr
[15:33]  * nixternal tries that
[15:36] <seaLne> nixternal: i think \sh only got plasma on his right head
[15:37] <ScottK> Riddell: It does, but it doesn't provide inverse search which for some use cases appears to be really important.
[15:38] <ScottK> None of the other packages that do dvi have that either.  Kdvi was the only one.
[15:38]  * ScottK heads out now ...
[15:39] <rgreening> Riddell: in update-manager-kde, when you have a restart notification, and you click it, it comes up with the Turn off option, rather than the actual restart/reload. It should offer either just the restart or both the restart and reload.
[15:39] <rgreening> Riddell: I think this is an artifactof the other patch for customizing the logout/restart/shutdown in ksmserver.
[15:40] <rgreening> Riddell: thoughts?
[15:43] <Riddell> rgreening: yes, it needs the correct numbers to be called in the dbus call
[15:43] <Riddell> goodness knows what those are, experimentation is about the only way
[15:48] <rgreening> Riddell: k. I'll figure it out and send a patch along... The plasmoid for lock/logout has similar usability issues,
[15:54] <seaLne> anyone seeing kmail/kontact hanging trying to send mail?
[15:55] <seaLne> since upgrading this morning i can't send without hanging, no problems last week
[15:56] <Riddell> no kdepim updates for the last week
[15:58] <seaLne> yeah its strange
[16:01] <Riddell> nixternal: where's kubuntu docs in bzr?
[16:01] <nixternal> this is annoying
[16:01] <nixternal> Riddell: under ~ubuntu-docs
[16:02] <Riddell> nixternal: url?
[16:03] <Riddell> lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid ?
[16:05] <nixternal> lp:~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/kubuntu-intrepid
[16:05] <nixternal> yup
[16:05] <nixternal> this blinking 2nd monitor is going to drive me nuts
[16:05] <davmor2> if any one is interested in testing infrastructure, cr3 is giving now a session at #ubuntu-classroom
[16:18] <seaLne> hmm interesting it apparently did send the mail after me leaving it for about 30 min
[16:20] <rgreening> Riddell: I think the enums we are looking for are contained in kdebase-workspace-4.1.2/libs/kworkspace/kworkspace.h
[16:20] <Riddell> rgreening: ah hah
[16:20] <rgreening> :)
[16:21] <rgreening> I'll doc that in the update-notifier-kde package in a README and make the required changes
[16:27] <rgreening> Riddell: new options are 0, 1, 2 rather than 1, 2, 3 (0 for confirm no, 1 for reboot, and 2 for force now. I think that may be too aggressive, but it's what matches the comment block in the code. I think the best option would be 1 (confirm yes), 1, (reboot), and 3 (Interactive).
[16:28] <rgreening> so, confirm this and I'll do the patch
[16:28] <Riddell> rgreening: please do
[16:28] <nixternal> hrmm, the dual mon blinking issue is a "Kubuntu Only" issue
[16:28] <rgreening> Riddell: k.
[16:29] <nixternal> xserver is horrid
[16:38] <Riddell> nixternal: do we have an install guide?
[16:41] <nixternal> Riddell: we haven't had an install guide in forever....the Ubuntu people said that is what the wiki is fo
[16:41] <nixternal> r
[16:41] <nixternal> ie. mdke and the mass Ubuntu-docs people back a few years ago....
[16:42] <Riddell> nixternal: hmm, so someone boots up a CD and wonders how to get it installed.. they need to work out how to set up internet access and find it on the wiki (and even then it's for ubuntu not kubuntu)
[16:43] <Riddell> a short live CD install guide would seem good to have on the CD to me
[16:43] <nixternal> yup, jjesse and I argued that years back but got shutdown
[16:43] <nixternal> I agree
[16:43] <Riddell> we can do what we like in kubuntu docs :)
[16:44] <nixternal> for Jaunty, I want to separate kubuntu-docs from Ubuntu Documentation because we have no real control or say so in it
[16:44] <nixternal> ya, that is why I want it separated, because ubuntu-doc people take it upon themselves to change our layout and make it look like theirs
[16:46] <nixternal> I really don't want to go back to Hardy, but it looks like i have to :(
[16:50] <Riddell> nixternal: what's joined about them?  the archive is different
[16:52] <nixternal> ya, but jjesse and I have no control besides content
[16:52] <nixternal> then again, maybe that has changed and I haven't kept up with it
[16:53] <nixternal> right now I am trying to fix my display issue here and it is really driving me mad
[16:56] <Riddell> is it an X issue or a plasma issue?
[16:56] <nixternal> I don't know
[16:57] <nixternal> I just booted into GNOME and everything was OK
[16:57] <nixternal> in KDE 4 my external LCD keeps blinking the desktop
[16:57] <nixternal> this didn't happen in hardy at all
[17:01] <rgreening> Riddell: patch e-mailed for update-manager-kde. Now it will correctly offer to reboot rather than halt.
[17:01] <Riddell> thanks rgreening
[17:01] <rgreening> np. It was annoying me, so I had to fix it :P
[17:02] <Riddell> nixternal: any idea where system-settings.xml has gone in the docs?
[17:03] <jjesse> Riddell: it isn't?
[17:03] <rgreening> Riddell: I'm going to propose a fix to the lock/logout plasmoid as well. Currently it shows only 2 buttons. Since the kickoff patch removes the reboot/logout options, the llockout button now only shows the halt option. I propose adding two icons along side (one for logout and one for reboot). Or make the logout show all 3. thoughts.
[17:03] <jjesse> Riddell: hrmm that is wierd, i thought i did a lot of editing on that
[17:04] <Riddell> jjesse: a bit too much it seems :)
[17:05] <jjesse> Riddell: checking log
[17:05] <nixternal> lol
[17:05] <rgreening> Riddell: actuallt the plasmoid is called Lock/Logout.. maybe I should just fix it so it's an actual Logout only...
[17:07] <Riddell> rgreening: can't it just show the dialogue with all three?  (like ctrl-alt-del)
[17:07] <rgreening> sure, if that's what we want. It doesn't atm due to the kickoff patch
[17:07] <Riddell> does here
[17:08] <rgreening> really? mine doesn't
[17:08] <Riddell> my ksmserver is old
[17:08] <rgreening> It used to work
[17:08] <rgreening> It stopped in 4.1.2 with the kdebase-workspace patch for the ksmserver and kickoff menu
[17:09] <rgreening> can anyone else confirm?
[17:10] <jjesse> ok how can irevert from revision 15
[17:10] <jjesse> when the file was removed
[17:10] <rgreening> Riddell: CTRL+ALT+DEL for me also only shows turn off (halt)
[17:11] <Riddell> jjesse: bzr revert -r 15 system-settings.xml  ?
[17:13] <jjesse> that doesn't bring back the deleted file?
[17:20] <Riddell> hmm, plasma is crashing with current version
[17:21] <Riddell> jjesse: bzr revert -r 14 system-settings.xml  works here
[17:21] <jjesse> yeah i got it
[17:22] <jjesse> nixternal: question on the reverted system settings.xml there is all this scripting and other things i don't recongize
[17:29] <Riddell> jjesse, nixternal: how come about kubuntu isn't in the khelpcentre menu?
[17:30] <jjesse> Riddell: i don't know, will have to wait for nixternal to respond on that one
[17:30] <nixternal> Riddell: I don't know w/o looking at it
[17:30] <nixternal> right now I am about to blow up my computer
[17:30] <nixternal> I don't want to go back to hardy because there are a lot of things in Intrepid that made my lappy work better, but this external monitor issue is going to drive me up a wall
[17:31] <nixternal> I think it is a kwin issue
[17:31] <Riddell> if neither of you know I'll just add it back, I think it's good to be able to find it
[17:31] <jjesse> just add it back
[17:31] <nixternal> ya
[17:31] <nixternal> Riddell: just add it back...do't know why it was removed
[17:35] <Riddell> jjesse: did you add back system-settings.xml?
[17:36] <jjesse> no on conference call, plus there is a lot of messed up looking code in the revert
[17:38] <Riddell> jjesse: hmm, I think I committed it back by mistake.  just commit over it when you know what you want
[17:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we have a plan for amarok 2 beta?  it compiled but didn't start for me
[18:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: try nuking your amarokrc
[18:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: is amarok-mysql-data installed?
[18:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[18:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: I get a crash
[18:42] <Riddell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54713/
[18:44] <apachelogger>     if( mysql_library_init(num_elements, server_options, server_groups) != 0 )
[18:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: but you have it running?
[18:45] <apachelogger> yes
[18:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: is it in a ppa anywhere?
[18:46] <apachelogger> nope
[18:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: any plans to put it in one?
[18:46] <apachelogger> I will upload amarok-mysql and amarok to experimental
[18:47] <Riddell> kubuntu-experimental?
[18:47] <apachelogger> yes
[18:47] <apachelogger> it might very well be that it's just missing another runtime dep
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: mind looking at this debdiff? http://paste.ubuntu.com/54721/
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> (kdebase-workspace, some kwin patch fixes and other misc thigns
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> )
[18:51] <Riddell> whee that's a big patch
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> quilt refresh did some funky stuff
[18:51] <Riddell> it likes to do that
[18:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: installing mysql-server doesn't help my amarok problem
[18:53] <apachelogger> :|
[18:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: building
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> uh
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> crap
[18:57] <nixternal> I cannot figure out this dualmon issue
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> the patch doesn't apply now
[18:58] <nixternal> in kubuntu the 2nd monitor blinks, in ubuntu the 2nd monitor doesn't blink, but if you drag something over to it, it shadows what you are dragging
[18:58] <jjesse> that sounds like lots of fun
[18:58] <nixternal> I wish I had my old xorg.conf now
[18:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: just the changelog needs updating
[18:59] <nixternal> Riddell: bryce still working on x stuff?
[19:00] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, apachelogger beat me to 0ubuntu4 I see
[19:00] <nixternal> k, I need to sit with him for a few and see if he can help me figure out the problem so I can file a bug
[19:02] <nixternal> \sh: where you at homeskillet?
[19:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you got tripped up by the gettext domains being added to kwin/kwin.notifyrc
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'll just grab a fresh copy of 0ubuntu4 and reapply my changes against that
[19:06] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: btw... the tooltips are b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: yeah, <3 plasma
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: this better? http://paste.ubuntu.com/54732/
[19:23] <Gunirus> rgreening: ping
[19:24] <rgreening> Gunirus: hey
[19:24] <Gunirus> bad news for you
[19:24] <rgreening> oh
[19:24] <Gunirus> Qt Jambi 4.4.3 is released
[19:24] <Gunirus> :p
[19:24] <rgreening> hahah
[19:24] <rgreening> lol
[19:25]  * rgreening does apt-get source qtjambi and starts building
[19:25] <Gunirus> :-)
[19:36] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I'm getting the redrawing problem with desktop effects again.
[19:39] <\sh> nixternal: karlsruhe
[19:40] <\sh> rightnow in my office...looks like I have to move from my flat to office officially
[19:40] <\sh> cheers btw
[19:45] <nixternal> \sh: you use intel and dual monitor?
[19:45] <nixternal> did you experience the 2nd monitor blinking (on/off/on/off/on/off....) at all?
[19:45] <\sh> nixternal: nope...ati + dual monitor
[19:45] <\sh> nixternal: no...
[19:46] <nixternal> this is crap...the live cd does it as well
[19:46] <\sh> nixternal: tbh...I use gnome in this moment...because it'
[19:46] <\sh> s 1000 times faster
[19:46] <nixternal> ya, I was looking at going with it o0n my work machine because this is a) slow and b) buggy
[19:47] <nixternal> and this is a centrino duo 2.6ghz machine
[19:48] <\sh> nixternal: bah...I have a core duo 2 with 1.86GhZ
[19:49] <\sh> nixternal: but my home machine with intel p4 xeon (single core HT machine)
[19:49] <\sh> is not better.kde + ati + whatever is bad...and home server was re-installed from scratch with beta alternate
[19:50] <nixternal> ya, I need my dual screen at work
[19:51] <nixternal> I don't want to go back to Hardy though as KDE 4 seems so much better in Intrepid
[19:51] <nixternal> but in hardy dual screen worked so freakin' good
[19:51] <\sh> nixternal: right..me too...so kde is not what I need right now until all the flaws with plasma and screen recognizing is solved...the randr tool in gnome works
[19:52] <\sh> quiet the opposite of the systemsetting screen recog tool
[19:58] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I can confirm this as well (repaint issue is back)
[20:38] <nixternal> this is killing me...I have tried on other machines and got the same thing
[20:38] <nixternal> I don't even know where to begin
[21:19] <nixternal> w00t, got it working baby
[21:20] <nixternal> just need to get my dual screen wallpaper stuff working
[21:38] <apachelogger> \sh: the fact that krandr fails at simple tasks, and the stuff it does is really simple, makes me think that xrandr is the crap I have been told it is
[21:38]  * apachelogger loves over engineered software :P
[21:46] <nixternal> apachelogger: xrandr rocks hardcore
[21:46] <nixternal> it hasn't failed me yet in the past couple of years...except for today, that was a stupid xorg issue
[21:46] <nixternal> I am sure once xrandr is updated for the new xorg all will be well again
[21:47] <ScottK> I know we'll have a lot of crap xorg.conf's to deal with due to Guidance Displayconfig and Hardy upgrades.
[21:47]  * ScottK wonders if xfix ought not to be run as part of all upgrades.
[21:48] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder if display config was my darn issue
[21:51] <ScottK-laptop> Off to try the new kernel ....
[22:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: well, I still can't get a cylinder (that would need my graphics driver to support shades or something) but I get window previews on my tooltips
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> nice!
[22:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah, mine doesn't even do cube since I'm using XRender mode instead of OpenGL mode
[22:10] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: shall I upload?
[22:10] <JontheEchidna> I think it's good
[22:14] <Riddell> I really need to fix cdbs to remove those ubuntu gettext lines before it removes the patches
[22:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for the fish/sftp fix.  Works great.
[22:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: amarok-kde4 in kubuntu-experimental
[22:37] <apachelogger> I just installed in a clean intrepid on i386
[22:38] <apachelogger> starts and builds collection without problem
[22:40]  * JontheEchidna grabs
[22:41] <ScottK> Riddell: How are you on hal/dbus stuff?  I've got a question.
[22:42] <ScottK> Riddell: If guidance-power-manager tries to connect to hal and hal isn't running one gets http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18274893/Traceback.txt
[22:42] <ScottK> Dupes on this are piling up reasonably quickly.
[22:43] <ScottK> So I'm trying to decide how to fix it?
[22:43] <ScottK> Should python-dbus be smarter about this?
[22:43] <ScottK> Should guidance give up and die?
[22:43] <ScottK> Try to rrestart hal?
[22:43] <ScottK> Suggestions?
[22:46] <Riddell> ScottK: it should probably keep retrying periodically
[22:47] <ScottK> OK.
[22:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you have a favorite periodicity?
[22:47] <Riddell> every minute say, maybe it should give up after a few minutes
[22:47] <ScottK> OK.  Let me see what I can do with that.
[22:47] <Riddell> I've seen that happen when booting the CD in low memory systems
[22:47] <ScottK> That'll be after kdvi is done.
[22:48] <ScottK> I've seen it happen during hal package upgrades.
[22:48] <ScottK> I've also seen it booting on my laptop which, I don't think, is a low memory system.
[22:48] <ScottK> 2GB RAM isn't low memory is it?
[22:53] <Riddell> not yet
[22:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: Have you received any screenshots of KDE4/Intrepid?  If not, how should we get them... ask the Planet?
[22:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: I havn't
[22:59] <Riddell> planet could work
[22:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies... Where should we ask to have them submitted? I would use the wiki... but the wiki seems to hate Konqueror at the moment...
[23:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: should bug 263957 be fixed already?
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> it still seems to be open
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, I need to unprivate it too
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> (not saying that it's still a living beastie, just asking if it's still around)
[23:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's fixed
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> cool, I'll close it
[23:18] <jussi01> oh yay, lancelot is borked...
[23:19] <LeeJunFan> jussi01: yeah, :(
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> yeah, no clue why either
[23:25] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: that sucks :(
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> btw, window previews on tooltips and working sphere/cylinder effects should be available in a bit
[23:30] <jussi01> JontheEchidna: no chance of getting the knotify that looks like rhose tooltips in for intrepid?
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> probably not, there aren't any bindings for knotify for python afaik
[23:31] <jussi01> :(
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> but at least those balloons don't pop up in the top left corner anymore \o/